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[Roll Call]
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR DECEMBER 18TH, 2019.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ HERE.
JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING.
THERE'S A QUICK VIDEO THAT WE'LL PLAY.
[Chairman’s Statement]
REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THIS BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD FOR REHABILITATION, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND ANY ADDITIONAL DESIGN GUIDELINES ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR AN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA? PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
THE SHEET, THE, THE SIGN-IN SHEET SHALL BE AVAILABLE UNTIL THE ITEM IS CALLED.
YOU'LL BE CALLED ON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH YOU ARE SIGNED UP.
FOR ALL CASES HEARD TODAY, SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES EACH.
UP TO TWO SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP FOR A MAXIMUM TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
NO PERSON CAN SPEAK UN UNTIL RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR.
WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM, SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE AND PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
SPEAKERS SHALL ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION.
NO PERSONAL ATTACKS SHALL BE ALLOWED BY ANY SPEAKER.
THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED AND LIVE STREAMED AND WE ASK THAT ALL COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION BE MADE INTO THE MICROPHONE.
WE ALSO ASK THAT EVERYONE PRESENT, BE RESPECTFUL OF INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS AND REMAIN SILENT WHILE EACH PERSON IS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
PARTICIPANTS THAT SPEAK OUT OF TURN OR ARE DISRUPTIVE WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE OR ESCORTED FROM THE FACILITY.
FURTHERMORE, ANY COMMENTS THAT MAY BE PERCEIVED AS A THREATENING OR INSULTING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED AND SPEAKERS WILL BE ESCORTED FROM THE FACILITY AT THIS TIME.
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
[Announcements]
A FEW QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A FULL, FULL HOUSE HERE.UM, IF YOU ARE STANDING IN FRONT OF THOSE DOUBLE DOORS, YOU CANNOT STAND THERE.
UM, YOU CAN STAND ON THE SIDE OF THE ROOM OR WE CAN MOVE TO THE DESIGNATED OVERFLOW SPACE IN THE TOBIN ROOM, WHICH IS JUST HERE THROUGH THE DOUBLE DOORS TO YOUR LEFT.
UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO VIEW THE HEARING THERE.
THERE'S ALREADY A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD A SEAT IN THERE.
SO AGAIN, PLEASE EITHER MOVE TO THE SIDE OF THE ROOM IF YOU'RE GONNA STAND, UM, OR GO HAVE A SEAT IN THE OVERFLOW SPACE IN THE TOBIN ROOM.
UM, AND AGAIN, WITH THE UPCOMING HOLIDAY CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED, UM, FROM DECEMBER 24TH TO JANUARY 1ST.
UM, THE H C R C UM, SCHEDULE AND APPLICATION DEADLINES HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THE SCHEDULE.
AND SO THOSE ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE@SAPRESERVATION.COM.
UM, WITH THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGENDA.
UM, YOU'LL SEE ON THE SCREEN, UM, ITEMS A
['A' CONSENT AGENDA]
ONE THROUGH A FIVE ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR ITEMS A THREE AND A FIVE AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS A ONE, A TWO AND A FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
MOTION PASSES YOUR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS TWO 30 EAST HOUSTON 3 26 EAST GRAYSON IN 10 0 9
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AVENUE B.YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF, YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER.
WE'LL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE, YARD SIGN PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM A THREE.
[A-3 19-9219 Address/Description: 1720 S ST MARYS 1714 S ST MARYS 141 JACOBS HDRC Case No.: 2019-669 Landmark Name: Commercial Building RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: Patrick Christensen Request: Construction of a 4-story addition and a 2-story residential structure City Council Dist.: 1]
UM, ADDRESS IS 17 14 70 20 SOUTH ST.UM, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED IN, UM, CHERISE ROAR ALLI.
UM, AND CATHERINE DOSETTE WILL BE NEXT.
SO PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE FRONT.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WHOSE NEIGHBORHOOD THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED.
THE ASSOCIATION WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT WHILE THE APPLICANT'S REDUCTION OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS FROM FOUR TO THREE STORIES IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED, WE STILL HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE IMPOSING NATURE OF THE DESIGN AS IT RELATES TO HISTORIC COMMERCIAL STOREFRONTS AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT.
AS YOU KNOW, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE REAR AND TO THE NORTH ARE ONE STORY RESIDENCES, UH, AND THE COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT IS POSITIONED BEHIND THIS ONE STORY.
MARY'S STREET IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WHERE WE PREFER TO FOCUS DENSITY, THE AIM IS TO ENSURE THAT THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS REMAIN THE FOCUS OF THE DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED BY DESIGNING ADDITIONS THAT ARE SUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPAL FACADE AS VIEWED FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, THE PROPOSED THREE STORY EDITION REMAINS OUT OF SCALE WITH THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES, THE APPLICANT IS HAVING DIFFICULTY INCORPORATING THEIR DENSITY INTO THE HISTORIC DESIGN BECAUSE THE DENSITY IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH.
WE SUGGEST THAT AN H D R C HEARING ON DESIGN IS PREMATURE BECAUSE THE DENSITY HAS NOT YET BEEN APPROVED THROUGH THE ZONING, UH, CHANGE.
THEIR REQUEST IS FOR 80 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY DOUBLE WHAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR THE SA TOMORROW PLAN.
AND THEY'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY FITTING THAT INTO A DESIGN THAT'S HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA.
SO, UH, WHAT WE RECOMMEND IS THAT WE DO NOT APPROVE NOW SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THE DENSITY AND THEN INCORPORATE THE DENSITY APPROPRIATELY INTO THE DESIGN.
AND WE ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT THE BUILDING BEHIND AT 1 41 JACOB STREET, WE RECOGNIZE THIS IS NOT PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THAT IS BEING USED TO ENHANCE THE DENSITY.
THE RESULT OF THAT IS IT TAKES AWAY PARKING AS WELL.
UH, SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT'S TECHNICALLY A DIFFERENT ADDRESS, IT BE LOOKED AT AS ONE WHOLE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE AND THAT BUILDING BE CONSIDERED IN THE PROCESS AS WELL.
SO WHILE WE DON'T NECESSARILY OPPOSE THE THREE STORY BUILDING, WE DO SAY THAT THE DESIGN IS PROBLEMATIC.
MY NAME IS CATHERINE DOUCETTE AND I RESIDE AT ONE 20 JACOBS STREET.
UM, LAST TIME WE SPOKE IN FRONT OF YOU, THE BIGGEST ISSUE ON OUR MINDS WAS THE FOUR STORY BUILDING, WHICH HAS BEEN MODIFIED TODAY AS THE PROPOSED THREE STORY BUILDING.
THE UNDERLYING ISSUE AT THAT TIME, AND ONE THAT I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF, IS THAT THE APPLICANT PLANS TO PUT A 40 UNIT HOTEL AT THE END OF OUR STREET.
IN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, IT HAS BECOME ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THE APPLICANT NEVER INTENDED TO MAKE THE UNITS IN THESE BUILDINGS RESIDENCES, BUT RATHER ALWAYS INTENDED THEM AS HOTEL UNITS, WHICH WILL HAVE LIMITED TO NO OVERSIGHT AS A HOTEL MIGHT REQUIRE, AND NO LIFE SAFETY MEASURES.
WHEN THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY USES THE WORD RENTAL, WHAT HE ACTUALLY MEANS IS HOTEL UNIT.
UM, NOT ONLY THAT, AS CHERRI SAID, 40 UNITS ON A HALF ACRE, WHICH IS THE SUM OF ALL OF THESE LOTS PUT TOGETHER, IS DOUBLE WHAT IS CALLED FOR IN THE ESSAY TOMORROW PLAN.
NOW I UNDERSTAND ZONING DENSITY AND HOTEL USE ARE NOT, OR, OR OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION.
HOWEVER, I DO STRONGLY FEEL THAT MAKING DECISIONS ON BUILDING DESIGN ARE NOT YET RIPE WHEN THE OVERREACHING ISSUE OF DENSITY AND HOTEL HAS NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED WITH CITY COUNCIL.
UH, DECISIONS BEING MADE TODAY MAY BE MADE BLINDLY AND THAT CAN NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT A DECISION NOT BE MADE TODAY, BUT RATHER DEFERRED UNTIL FURTHER NEGO NEGOTIATIONS CAN TAKE PLACE WITH THE APPLICANT AND A DECISION CAN BE REACHED WITH THE OTHER GOVERNING AUTHORITIES WHO DESIGN, WHO DECIDE ON ZONING DENSITY AND HOTEL USE.
BUT IF IN FACT, A DECISION MUST BE REACHED TODAY, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL FOR A THREE-STORY BUILDING AS WELL AS THAT NEW BUILDING PROPOSED AT 1 41 JACOB STREET, BE DENIED SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THE DENSITY ISSUE AT A LATER DATE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION
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THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE.GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY.
UM, WE AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WE'VE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THIS COMMISSION HAD THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
UM, SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD, UH, SUPPORT OUR, OUR, UH, DESIGN HERE, THOUGH THE ZONING'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE GOTTA GO BACK TO COUNCIL.
IF WE GET, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S 45 UNITS, 25 UNITS, 39 UNITS, UM, WE STILL WANNA GO FORWARD WITH THIS DESIGN.
WE'RE, WE DON'T WANNA GET STUCK IN THAT CHICKEN AND EGG PROBLEM WHERE WE GET A DENSITY AT COUNCIL AND WE GOTTA COME BACK TO H G R C AND Y'ALL MIGHT NOT NOT LIKE THAT.
SO WE WOULD ASK THAT WE GET OUR H G R C APPROVAL AND WE GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
IF COUNCIL WORST CASE SCENARIO FLAT OUT DENIES OUR CASE, THEN WE GO AWAY AND SO DOES THE DESIGN.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE BALL MOVING AND GET OUR DESIGN APPROVED TODAY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE WITH THE ARCHITECTS.
A QUESTION OF STAFF, UH, FOR STAFF.
CAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE LIMITS OF OUR PURVIEW ON THIS CASE? YEAH.
UM, SO AGAIN, AS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE H C R C DOES NOT REVIEW THE USE OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND SO OFTENTIMES WHEN THERE'S A PROJECT THAT REQUIRES A REZONING TO A HIGHER DENSITY OR DIFFERENT USE, UM, IT MAY PROMPT, UM, DISCUSSIONS AT THE ZONING LEVEL ABOUT, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE SITE, UM, AND FOR HISTORIC LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
THAT ALSO PROMPTS THE DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT THE DESIGN.
UM, SO THE H C R C IS TASKED WITH REVIEWING THE, THE DESIGN OF THE SITE, UM, PROPOSED ALTERATIONS TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES, BUT NOT THE NUMBER OF UNITS FOR PROPOSED DENSITY.
THERE ARE LIMITATION ON THE, THE SITE DESIGN, GIVEN THE WAY THESE ARE PARCELED OUT AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, A LANDMARK DESIGNATION RATHER THAN, THAN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, NO, I MEAN THEY'RE TREATED SIMILARLY.
THIS IS A, ESSENTIALLY AN ADDITION TO HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UM, SO IT'S REVIEWED BY THE SAME SET OF GUIDELINES AS IT WOULD BE WITHIN A DISTRICT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, THANK THE APPLICANT.
I THINK THAT THE DESIGN HAS IMPROVED A LOT SINCE LAST TIME WE SAW IT.
UM, I LIKE HOW THEY'VE, UM, ON THE EXISTING TWO-STORY BUILDING, THE HISTORIC BUILDING, HOW THAT, UM, UH, HOW THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, PUT ON THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THERE.
UM, AND THIS WAS A CONSENT AGENDA AND AS WELL CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
AND I THINK THE APPLICANT ALSO KNOWS THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUAL IS NOT BINDING IN ANY WAY FROM US.
UM, SO I, I WOULD MOVE FOR MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL SECOND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SORRY, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[A-5 19-9227 Address/Description: 1900, 1990 BROADWAY HDRC Case No.: 2019-723 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Patrick Christensen/Attorney Request: Construction of a mixed-use tower City Council Dist.: 2]
A 5 1919 90 BROADWAY.UM, WE HAVE ONE CITIZEN SIGNED IN TO SPEAK VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE.
MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE.
I LIVE AT 91 18 FAIRLAND AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY.
IN OCTOBER, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OBJECTED TO THE DEMOLITION OF THREE HISTORIC ROW HOUSES THAT FORM PART OF THIS PROJECT.
WE FURTHER OBJECT TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE STILL GOLDEN BUILDING AT 1900 BROADWAY, WHICH APPEARS TO HAVE INTEGRITY TO ITS 1944 APPEARANCE AS AN AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIP ALONG SAN ANTONIO'S AUTO ROW.
THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU OFFERS CONTRADICTORY INFORMATION REGARDING WHETHER THE BUILDING MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
WE FURTHER DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE BUILDING COULD NOT BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLANNED BUILDING AS IT ADDRESSES THE CORNER IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO THE NEW DESIGN AND DOES NOT UNDERPIN THE TALLER PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE AND COMMISSIONERS PATRICK CHRISTENSEN.
UM, WE'VE COMPLIED WITH THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE, THE PRELIMINARY HEARING THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR THE FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HERE WITH THE ARCHITECTS.
WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT.
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FISH.UM, JUST A BRIEF REPORT FROM A SITE VISIT.
UH, WE DID REVIEW, VISIT THE SITE AND, UH, REVIEW THE PROPERTY AND NOTED THAT THERE WERE LOTS OF REVISIONS OVER TIME AND THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL WAS LIMITED.
UM, I CONCUR WITH STAFF AND MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THE D R C AND I'D MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[Executive Session]
1:25 PM ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, 2019.IT HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS WILL MEET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REGARDING LEGAL ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH ALAMO PLAZA.
WE WILL RETURN ONCE THAT SESSION IS COMPLETE.
UM, AND FOR THOSE, UH, VIEWING THE STREAMING SESSION, UM, BY MY COUNT, THERE'S AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX SEATS THAT HAVE OPENED UP, SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM FOLLOWING EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, THE SIGN-IN SHEET FOR THIS ITEM IS ALSO STILL AVAILABLE, UM, UNTIL THE ITEM IS CALLED, TIME IS NOW 2:01 PM ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, 2019, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOW RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION.
OKAY, UP NEXT IS, UM, ITEM NUMBER
[A-6 19-9195 Address/Description: 300 ALAMO PLAZA, 300 BLOCK OF BONHAM, 200 BLOCK OF E CROCKETT, ALAMO PLAZA PARK HDRC Case No.: 2019-702 Historic District Name: Alamo Plaza Historic District Landmark Name: Alamo / Alamo Plaza Applicant: City of San Antonio Request: Street Improvements, Landscaping and Hardscaping Improvements, Final Repair and Restoration of the Cenotaph in a new plaza City Council Dist.: 1]
A SIX H C R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 7 0 2.ADDRESS IS 300 ALAMO PLAZA, THE 300 BLOCK OF BONHAM STREET, THE 200 BLOCK OF EAST CROCKETT AND ALAMO PLAZA PARK, UH, VICINITY.
UM, THE REQUEST IS FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS, LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AND FINAL REPAIR AND RESTORATION OF THE CAF IN A NEW PLAZA.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER FOR EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY, UM, THE COMMISSION IS NOT CONSIDERING THE RELOCATION OF THE CAF AT TODAY'S MEETING.
UM, FINAL APPROVAL TO RELOCATE THE CTA WAS APPROVED ON OCTOBER 10TH, 2018.
UM, THE 2018 REQUEST SAID, DISMANTLE, REPAIR AND REASSEMBLE THE SENATE T IN ALMO PLAZA AT THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING BANDSTAND.
EXACT POSITIONING AND FINAL PLAZA DESIGN WILL BE CONSIDERED AT A FUTURE DATE.
TODAY'S ACTION WILL BE LIMITED TO WHAT IS POSTED ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS STREET IMPROVEMENTS, LANDSCAPING, AND HARDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS, FINAL REPAIR AND RESTORATION OF THE SYNAP IN A NEW PLAZA.
UM, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO USE YOUR TIME TO ADDRESS THE MATTERS ON TODAY'S AGENDA SPECIFICALLY.
UM, WE ALSO WANT TO ENSURE THAT, UM, EVERYONE WHO IS SIGNED IN TO SPEAK TODAY IS TREATED FAIRLY AND WITH RESPECT.
UM, WE EXPECT THAT THE SAME AMOUNT OF RESPECT IS GIVEN TO OUR COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE VOLUNTEERS AND, UM, GIVE A GREAT DEAL TO THE CITY.
UM, BY PROVIDING IN THIS, SERVING IN THIS WAY, UM, WE WON'T TOLERATE ANY, UM, THREATENING OR DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR.
AND IF THAT HAPPENS, UM, YOU WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE ROOM.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA TODAY.
UM, THE ALAMO, UH, RELATED ITEM IS JUST ONE OF 40 PLUS CASES BEING HEARD, SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT DISCUSSIONS REMAIN RELEVANT AND THAT YOU ARE RESPECTFUL OF THE TIME ALLOTTED.
UM, EVERYONE WILL BE, WILL RECEIVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, AND IF YOU EXCEED YOUR SPEAKING TIME, YOU'LL BE GIVEN A WARNING AND THEN, UM, THE MICROPHONE WILL BE TURNED OFF.
OKAY, SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS OR, YEAH.
UM, WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING ANYMORE.
WE WILL HAVE THE PRESENTATION NOW.
I'M LORI HOUSTON, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND I'VE BEEN HONORED TO BE A PART OF THIS PROJECT SINCE 2012.
BUT OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, WE'VE HAD A TEAM OF DEDICATED CITIZENS, THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND SEVERAL OTHER STAKEHOLDERS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE ALAMO PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 18TH, 2018.
PRIOR TO THAT ADOPTION, H D R C DID TAKE ACTION ON SEVERAL ITEMS WITHIN THAT PLAN THAT INCLUDED APPROVAL OF THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OF THE TREATMENT OF THE HISTORIC MISSION, SAN ANTONIO DAVE VALERO SITE, THE TREATMENT OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SURROUNDING THE HISTORIC MISSION FOOTPRINT AND ALTERATIONS TO THE PASEO DEL ALAMO MAVERICK WALK AREA AND THE GEORGIA FRIENDSHIP AREA.
THIS COMMISSION AT THAT MEETING ALSO PROVIDED FINAL APPROVAL TO DISMANTLE, REPAIR, AND REASSEMBLE THE SYNTA IN ALAMO PLAZA AT THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING BANDSTAND WITH FINAL APPROVAL OF THE EXACT POSITIONING OF THE CTA TO RETURN TO THIS COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE.
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WE'RE REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO BONHAM AND EAST CROCKETT STREETS LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING TO EXPAND THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA SOUTH OF THE HISTORIC MISSION FOOTPRINT, AND THE POSITIONING OF THE SYNTA WITHIN THE PROPOSED PLAZA.THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE ALAMO PLAN.
P G A V DESTINATIONS HAS BEEN THE DESIGN TEAM FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS AND LOVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ALAMO PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR HERE TO PRESENT THIS ITEM AS JOHN CASMAN WITH P G A V DESTINATIONS.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS JOHN KASMAN.
I'M WITH P G A V DESTINATIONS.
UH, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, UH, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT LARGER TEAM UP HERE PRESENTING A MUCH LONGER PRESENTATION.
AND SO TODAY WHAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD IS AN ABBREVIATED PORTION OF THAT.
UH, SO IF YOU RECALL TWO WEEKS AGO, WE KIND OF HAD THREE CHAPTERS TO OUR, UH, TO OUR DISCUSSIONS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE SITE STRATEGIES, WE TALKED ABOUT RESTORATION, UH, DETAILS AND QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE TOUCHED ON INTERPRETIVE UH, CONTENT AS WELL.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES IS JUST A RECAP OF THAT.
IT IS THE SAME PRESENTATION CONTENT THAT WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS TO ABBREVIATE THAT JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
SO WITH THAT, UH, AS LORI SAID, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS PHASE ONE OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED OF THE OVERALL ALAMO PLAN, INTERPRETIVE PLAN.
SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON TODAY IS, IS JUST THAT PROPOSED SCOPE BOUNDARY THAT INCLUDES THAT SOUTH AREA, AN AREA, THE PROPOSED, UH, RELOCATION, THE, THE
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT BLACK, UH, BOUNDARY IS THE ONE THAT WE'LL BE BE REFERRING TO TODAY.
UH, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS THE, IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND PAVING PLAN, UH, WHICH WE'LL DIVE INTO IN A LITTLE BIT GREATER DETAIL.
THE, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE AS A DESIGN TEAM LOOKED AT THIS NOT ONLY AS PHASE ONE, BUT ALSO HOW IT RELATES TO THE FUTURE PHASES.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME HOW A LOT OF THE, THE PAVING CHOICES AND EVEN THE LANDSCAPE CHOICES AS WELL AS ORIENTATION OF ELEMENTS REALLY DOES, UH, HAVE A, A DEEP CONNECTION TO, UH, FUTURE PHASES.
WITH THAT, UH, A FEW DETAILS JUST AS A REMINDER OF WHAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED, THE GREAT AMOUNT OF DETAIL THAT'S GOING INTO UNDERSTANDING OF UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, DRAINAGE, UH, ACCESS FOR NOT ONLY EMERGENCY ACCESS, BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PARADE ROUTE THAT GOES AROUND IT.
SO THAT DIAGRAM THAT YOU'LL RECALL, UH, EVERYTHING HIGHLIGHTED IN RED STARTS TO GO INTO THOSE, UH, RESTRICTED AREAS THAT YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED, UH, LOCATION OF THE SENATE TEST FITS WITHIN.
UH, ALSO WE TALKED ABOUT ORIENTATION QUITE A BIT LAST TIME.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROPOSAL OF THE ORIENTATION OF THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE TO BE FACING, UH, TO BE FACING NORTH TOWARDS THE CHURCH, TOWARDS THE BATTLEFIELD, UH, WHICH IS 180 DEGREE FLIP FROM WHAT IT IS NOW.
UH, WE WENT THROUGH DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, THE DESIGN CHOICES AND THE DEEP DETAIL THAT WE'VE WENT INTO AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE CTA, THE DESIGN INTENT, UH, OF KINI, AND REALLY FOCUSED ON THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE AND THE INTENT OF THAT PIECE OF SCULPTURE FACING TOWARDS THE BATTLEFIELD TOWARDS THE CHURCH IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE STILL.
UH, TODAY, AS, AS PART OF THE PROPOSAL TALKED ABOUT THE SITE DESIGN OF CREATING AN OUTDOOR ROOM.
UH, WE WENT INTO MUCH MORE DETAIL BACK THEN ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LANDSCAPE AND THE DESIGN OF THE SITE CURBS AND ALSO THE SITE AMENITIES AROUND IT.
UH, SO WITH THAT, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES START TO SHOW SOME OF THOSE RENDERINGS, UH, START TO SHOW THE INTENT OF THAT OUTDOOR ROOM, THE LIVE OAKS SURROUNDING 'EM, MUCH LIKE THE LIVE OAKS DO NOW, UH, AS WELL AS SOME SITE AMENITIES LIKE BENCHES TO BE ABLE TO, UH, FACE THE CTAF, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE DO NOW.
A LOT OF FOLKS SIT THERE AND FACE THEIR BACK TOWARDS AND FACE AWAY OUR INTENT WITH THIS, UH, SITE DESIGN, THE DETAILS OF IT THAT WE'RE PRESENTING IS TO REALLY FOCUS ON THAT AS A CONTEMPLATIVE SPACE.
WE ALSO WANT TO REMIND IT THAT WE DID PRESENT LAST TIME THE DESIGN INTENT FOR SOME OF THE MATERIALS.
AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG CHOICE THAT WILL AFFECT THE WAY THAT THE PAVING EXTENDS IN THE FUTURE PHASES.
WE TALKED IN GENERAL, UH, TONE ABOUT THE MATERIALITY, RIGHT? THE INTENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, SPOKEN TO A, A COMBINATION OF SMALL SCALE TONE AND LARGE SCALE STONE, BUT ALSO, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF THE, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LANDSCAPE TO MAKE SURE WE FOCUSED A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS OF THE CANOPY AND THE SHADE, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE SHRUB LEVEL STAYS LOW.
SO GREAT LINES OF SIGHT ACROSS, UH, THAT LOCATION AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE GROUND COVER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REGIONALLY APPROPRIATE.
UM, STABLE SHADE, TOLERANT, RESILIENT, UH, LANDSCAPE CHOICES.
UH, FINALLY ONE OF THE LAST DETAILS THAT WE SPOKE OF LAST TIME TWO
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WEEKS AGO WAS ABOUT THE ADDITION OF LIGHTING, WHICH IS NOT THERE NOW.AND SO WE PRESENTED IN A FEW EXTRA, UH, DETAILS THE PROPOSED LIGHTING SCHEME.
IT TALKS ABOUT CONTINUITY OF SURFACE LIGHTING, HIGHLIGHTING THE MONUMENT, WHICH IS NOT HIGHLIGHTED NOW, SPECIFICALLY NOT AS A, A LARGE BEACON OF LIGHT, BUT HIGHLIGHTING THE SCULPTURAL PIECES AND ALSO ANIMATING THE GROUND PLANE, KINDA WASHING A DOWN LIGHTING FOR, FOR SAFETY AND ENJOYMENT OF THE ENTIRE PLAZA.
WITH THAT, UH, IN CONCLUSION, WE, WE PULLED OUT A COUPLE OF THE AERIAL VIEWS THAT YOU SAW LAST TIME, STARTING TO CAPTURE NOT JUST THAT AREA IN FRONT OF THE MANGER WHERE THE, UH, PROPOSED LOCATION AND ORIENTATION OF THE CTA, BUT YOU'LL SEE HOW IT TURNS THE CORNER AND EXTENDS, UH, EXTENDS ACROSS CROCKETT AND UP BOTTOM.
UH, AND THAT IS THE VIEW OF JUST PHASE ONE AND ITS COMPLETED FORM.
AND THEN ALSO AS A REMINDER, UH, AS WE START TO APPROACH FUTURE PHASES AGAIN, THAT CONTINUITY IS, IS IMPORTANT TO US.
UH, WITH THAT, JUST A REMINDER, THAT LAST SLIDE AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE PHASE ONE SCOPE BOUNDARY, UH, WITHIN THE BLACK LINE.
UH, BEFORE THAT, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING THIS AFTERNOON.
THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ALAMO AND THE SURROUNDING ALAMO PLAZA IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT AND SHOULD BE HANDLED WITH GREAT RESPECT AND THOUGHTFUL DELIBERATION.
THE MOVING OF THE SYNTA AND ITS NEW, NEW LOCATION WERE APPROVED IN OCTOBER, 2018.
THE ACTION ITEMS FOR THE COMMISSION TODAY INCLUDE THE PROPOSED ORIENTATION OF THE SYNTA IN THIS LOCATION, AS WELL AS HARDSCAPE AND SOFTSCAPE SURROUNDING THE SYNTA AND THE STREETS EAST AND SOUTH OF THE CHURCH.
THAT WILL BE CLOSED FOR TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
EVERYONE WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES.
WE APPRECIATE THAT EMOTIONS ARE RUNNING HIGH, BUT WE ASK THAT SPEAKERS KEEP THEIR COMMENTS TO THE ACTION ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
UM, WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE UM, COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE.
UH, PLEASE MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS TURNED, UM, TOWARDS YOU SO WE CAN HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.
FOR THE RECORD, UM, I'M GONNA CALL YOU TWO AT A TIME, SO I'M GONNA CALL A SPEAKER FOLLOWED BY WHO'S UP NEXT.
UM, IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR WAY UP TO THE FRONT WHEN YOU HEAR YOUR NAME, THAT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.
UM, I'M ALSO GOING TO GIVE A 15 SECOND WARNING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, IF, IF WE NEED A 32ND WARNING, IF THAT'S PREFERRED, WE CAN GO THAT WAY AS WELL.
UM, BUT WE'LL START WITH THAT.
SO MAGGIE WRIGHT, FOLLOWED BY LEE SPENCER WHITE, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS MAGGIE CLAPTON WRIGHT, AND I'M HERE FROM BURLESON 72 16 COUNTY ROAD 8 0 2.
AND UM, I'M A SEVENTH GENERATION TEXAN.
HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
I'VE NEVER KNOWN THE ALAMO WITHOUT THE SYNTA RIGHT THERE.
YOU KNOW, UH, YES, THE LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL, BUT WHERE THE DEFENDER'S BLED AND DIED IS MORE IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN 1936 DECIDED TO PLACE THIS SYNTA WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE FIGHTING TOOK PLACE AND WHERE THEY BLED AND DIED.
IT'S LIKE AN EMPTY TOMB OF THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER OR A WAR MEMORIAL TO STAND FOR THEM.
AND YES, IT'S BEEN DECIDED, BUT NOT ALL TEXANS HAVE GOT TO DECIDE.
WE DID A POLL AND THEY'RE AGAINST MOVING THIS SYNTA.
AND WHAT I AM CONCERNED, WOULD YOU PUT MY, UM, PICTURE? THIS IS THE, UH, DEEDED AND IT LOOK AT NUMBER FOUR THERE IS, IT SAYS THAT THIS PROPERTY SHALL NOT, SHALL NOT BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT IT WAS INTENDED.
THEY CAN'T USE THAT PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA, WHERE THE SYNTA NOW SITS FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
IF THEY MOVE THAT SYNTA AND NOW GO TO THE ONE AND WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH THIS LADY LIBERTY, THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF ART THAT WEIGHS 40,000 POUNDS.
THEY HAD, THEY HAD THE FORM READY TO PUT IT UP AND HOISTED IT UP THERE.
BUT IF WE DO NOT HAVE A LOCATION WITH THE FARMS READY, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH THIS LADY LIBERTY WHEN THEY TAKE HER DOWN? THAT'S 10 FEET TALL AND THAT'S 40,000 POUNDS OF MARBLE, 15 SECONDS.
AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY HAVE THREE LOCATIONS, THEY'RE NOT READY FOR THE SENATE HALF TO BE MOVED, AND WE ARE NOT READY IN TEXAS FOR IT TO BE MOVED BECAUSE THANK YOU.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
LEE SPENCER WHITE, FOLLOWED BY DR.
I'M LEE SPENCER WHITE, REPRESENTING THE ALAMO DEFENDER DESCENDANTS ASSOCIATION.
I'VE PASSED OUT THE FIRST PAGE OF OUR LAWSUIT THAT CLEARLY SHOWS
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THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS NAMED AS ONE OF THE DEFENDANTS IN THE LAWSUIT DEALING WITH THE ALAMO CEMETERY AND THE CATH.LAST MEETING I NOTICED THE ALAMO DESIGNERS FAILED TO GIVE DETAILS CONCERNING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPOSED CITA SUPERSTRUCTURE.
WHERE ARE THE SOIL SAMPLE STUDIES? WHAT WILL BE THE DEPTH OF THE FOUNDATION FOOTINGS? THE CURRENT SYNTA HAS 22 FOOT DEEP FOOTINGS.
WHAT SEEMS GLARINGLY APPARENT IS THE LACK OF AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AND SURVEY OF THE PROPOSED SITE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY ENCOUNTER BONES? HOW CAN THERE BE A VOTE TO DISASSEMBLE THE SYNTA WITHOUT ABSOLUTELY KNOWING THE EXACT SITE OF THE NEW SUPERSTRUCTURE? AND CAN THE SITE ACCOMMODATE IT? I SAY SEND THE DESIGNERS BACK TO THE DRAWING TABLE.
SEEMS PRUDENT TO ASK THE DESIGNERS TO DO THE FOLLOWING ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY TO DETERMINE THE CEMETERY LOCATION SOIL SAMPLES TO THE DEPTH OF THE DEEPEST FOOTING OF THE STRUCTURE.
DETERMINE THE LOCATION OF UTILITIES AND CAN THEY BE MOVED IF NECESSARY.
FRANKLY, I'M WEARY OF THE ALAMO PLAN DESIGNER'S VAGUE ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS AND SAYING TO BE DETERMINED.
THE ALAMO PLAN NEEDS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WITH RESEARCH AND FACTS INSTEAD OF PRETTY PICTURES.
COMMISSIONERS, I'M ASKING YOU TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND TABLE THIS MOTION, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, TAKE THE CTA OUT OF IT.
UPDATE THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE ATTORNEY.
MR. MUNGIA HAS AGREED TO A RULE 11 AND HE HAS AGREED THAT HE WOULD NOT MOVE THE CTA UNTIL AFTER OUR LAWSUIT HEARING ON JANUARY 21ST.
ALMA ARRADONDO LYNCH, FOLLOWED BY MARO GARZA LYNCH, DO YOU MIND IF I SPEAK TO YOU ALL IN SPANISH OR WE HAVE A TRANSLATOR WHO CAN STARTED IN SPANISH? I CAN, I CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.
AND YOUR TIME WILL BE UPDATED TO FOUR MINUTES.
AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE MOVING OF THE SYNTA AND READING HOW THE NUMBER OF DEGREES THAT YOU WANNA MOVE, THE SYNTA, YOU MOVE IT AT 180 DEGREES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE HEROES FACING MEXICO.
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE WANT OUR STATUES FACING MEXICO OR EVEN THE MEXICAN ARCH OUT THERE? I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE FACING THE ALAMO ITSELF.
I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE I SEE MANY OF YOU, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS.
I RESENT THE FACT THAT MANY OF US DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND HEAR THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU ALL WERE HAVING.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A VOICE IN THIS, AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT MOVED PRETTY FAST WITH US NOT BEING PRESENT.
I'M AN AMERICAN OF RICH MEXICAN HERITAGE AND I HAVE ANCESTORS I KNOW THAT FOUGHT IN THIS ON BOTH SIDES.
AND I DON'T WANT IT MOVED TO ME.
AND WHEN YOU ALL DON'T HAVE ANY SENSE OF OWNERSHIP, IT'S EASY TO JUST OVERRIDE ANY OF OUR IDEAS, ANY OF OUR FEELINGS, AND WHAT WE STAND FOR.
BORROW GARZA, FOLLOWED BY CHARISMA VIAL.
GOOD AFTERNOON FRIENDS AND FELLOW TEXANS.
MY NAME IS MARO GARZA AND I'M CURRENTLY WORKING TO DEFEAT JOAQUIN CASTRO TO BE YOUR NEXT US CONGRESSMAN IN HOUSE DISTRICT.
2032 YEARS AGO, MAYOR CISNEROS ASSURED THAT THE SENATE TAF WOULD NOT BE MOVED FOR CASUAL SUGGESTION.
ACROSS THE NATION, WE'RE SEEING MONUMENTS, MEMORIAL'S, DEMEAN, DAMAGED AND DESTROYED FOR ILLEGITIMATE REASONS.
THERE'S NO ILLEGITIMATE REASON TO MOVE THE CTAF EVEN ONE INCH.
ITS CURRENT LOCATION HIGHLIGHTS ITS IMPORTANCE.
THE INSCRIPTION IN THE CT READS, THEY CHOSE NEVER TO SURRENDER NOR RETREAT.
LIKE THESE TEXAS HEROES, WE MUST NEVER SURRENDER OR RETREAT.
REMEMBER, THE ALAMO ISN'T JUST A BATTLE CRY, IT'S NOT A SLOGAN, IT'S NOT A CATCHPHRASE, IT'S A MANDATE.
REMEMBER, THE ALAMO IS A MANDATE.
WE MUST HONOR THAT MANDATE TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE.
THE ALAMO OF THESE HEROES AND THIS SENATE TAP, WHICH PRESERVES OUR MEMORY, MUST REMAIN IN OUR HEARTS, IN OUR HISTORY BOOKS, AND ON THIS PIECE OF LAND EXACTLY AS IT SITS TODAY.
NEVER SURRENDER, NEVER RETREAT, NOT ONE INCH.
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WHERE IS MERRI NUREMBERG? WHERE IS JOAQUIN CASTRO? THEY WORK FOR US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.CHARISMA AL, FOLLOWED BY CINDY GASKELL.
HELLO, UH, MY NAME IS CHARISMA AL.
I'M A SEVENTH GENERATION TEXAN, NATIVE TEXAN.
UM, I'M A DESCENDANT OF CANARY ISLANDERS AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, UH, MOST NOTABLY, UH, RIO ESPARZA, A ALAMO DEFENDER.
UM, HE WAS THE ONLY ONE BURIED AT THE ALAMO.
UH, HIS BROTHER WHO FOUGHT ON THE MEXICAN SIDE, UH, ASKED SANTA ANA FOR HIS BODY AND HE WAS BURIED IN CAMPO SANTO.
NOW THERE ARE THREE CEMETERIES.
AND APPARENTLY THE UM, COMMITTEE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE SENATE HOUSE.
WHAT IF THEY DE WHAT IF THEY PUT WHAT IF THEY FIND BODIES, UM, WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE SENATE HOUSE? THEY HAVE THREE PLACES AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T PICKED IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE FACT THAT THE CITY AND THE STATE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING SINCE THE 1930S ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE CTA.
THE CITY DIDN'T WANT THEIR BANDSTAND TAKEN DOWN, SO THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THE CTA ON THE NORTH PART OF THE PLAZA.
THIS ARTICLE IN THE, UH, EXPRESS NEWS, IT TALKS ABOUT THE COMMISSION SIGNED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE BOARD OF CONTROL FORMALLY APPROVING THE CHANGE, AND THE MEMBERS LEFT.
THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS JUBILANT OVER THE FACT THAT THE BANDSTAND ON THE SOUTH PARK WOULD REMAIN STANDING.
THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THIS DECISION.
AND YOU TALK ABOUT APPROPRIATENESS.
POMPEO CUPINI HAD A, HAD A VISION FOR EACH SIDE OF THE CTA.
THERE'S A REASON THOSE PE AND I READ THAT TO YOU, TO YOU, UH, LAST, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
A LOT HAS HAPPENED SINCE DECEMBER 4TH.
UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED WITH GEORGE P. BUSH.
15 SECONDS WE'VE BEEN BULLIED.
WE'VE BEEN CALLED RACIST BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT THE CTA SHOULDN'T BE MOVED OFF THE ALAMO BATTLEGROUND.
THE CTA NEEDS TO STAY ON THE ALAMO FOOTPRINT.
CINDY GASKELL, FOLLOWED BY BRANDON BURKHART.
UM, MY SON IS YIELDING HIS TIME TO ME.
UM, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE A PACKET AND I ALSO EMAILED IT TO YOU.
HELLO? I NEED TO COME SIGN IN.
HE DIDN'T, WASN'T RIGHT NEXT TO ME.
OLD GASKELL, THE TOP OF THE SECOND PAGE, I BELIEVE.
I TRAVELED HERE TODAY FROM THE WOODLANDS, TEXAS.
YOU SHOULD HAVE THE PACKET OF RESEARCH THAT I HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU.
I WANNA LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I REPRESENT MYSELF AND MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY WHO ALL AGREE THE SENATE SHOULD NOT BE RELOCATED OFF THE ALAMO BATTLEGROUND.
I DO NOT REPRESENT ANY ORGANIZATION AND THE WORDS I SPEAK HERE TODAY ARE MY OWN OPINIONS, WHICH ARE BASED ON A GREAT DEAL OF HISTORICAL RESEARCH.
YOU'RE DETERMINING FINAL POSITION TODAY.
I REALIZE YOU AS THE H D R C BOARD ARE UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM POLITICIAN PAID CONSULTANTS AND CONTRACTORS WHO DESPERATELY WANT YOU TO GRANT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PHASE ONE OF THE ALAMO PLAN.
AS YOU KNOW, ALL OTHER PLANS DISCUSSED ARE CONCEPTUAL AND NOT BINDING UNTIL YOU GRANT THE CERTIFICATE.
YOU ALL HAVE THE POWER TO DECIDE WHETHER MONEY OR HISTORY WILL TAKE PRECEDENTS PRECEDENCE OVER THE FUTURE OF ALAMO PLAZA.
IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT THE ALAMO C E O IS ALLEGEDLY PAID UPWARDS OF $300,000 PER YEAR FOR HIS WORK.
ALAMO CONSULTANTS AND POLITICIANS WILL SAY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING TO GET YOU ALL TO GRANT THIS CERTIFICATE.
AND THIS HAS PROVEN TRUE IN THE PAPERWORK AND MINIMAL RESEARCH THEY HAVE GIVEN YOU.
SINCE DECEMBER 4TH, I'VE CONTINUED MY OWN RESEARCH, WHICH HAS BEEN UNPAID AND ON MY OWN TIME INTO THE DESIGN DETAILS OF THE SYNTA IN THE PAPERWORK PROVIDED TO THE H D R C IN THE OCTOBER, 2018 MEETING.
THE PAID ALAMO PLAN CONSULTANTS EXPLAIN IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED THROUGH EIGHT THROUGH 1936.
THE BANDSTAND LOCATION TO THE SOUTH OF THE HISTORIC MISSION SITE WAS THE ORIGINALLY SELECTED SITE FOR THE ALAMO DEFENDER'S MEMORIAL.
THE PAID CONSULTANTS THEN STATE THERE IS LITTLE DOCUMENTATION OF WHY THE CHANGE IN LOCATION HAD OCCURRED.
SERIOUSLY DID ALL THESE WELL-PAID CONSULTANTS DO ANY RESEARCH AT ALL? TWO WEEKS AGO I READ FROM COP'S AUTOBIOGRAPHY WHERE HE CLEARLY STATES HE INSISTED THE LOCATION OF THE SYNAP BE CHANGED FROM THE BANDSTAND TO THE BLOOD SOAKED SOIL WHERE THE ALAMO HEROES LOST THEIR LIVES.
BOCO PINI WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTED THE CAF ON THE BATTLEGROUND FOOTPRINT.
I SPENT SEVEN STRAIGHT HOURS AT THE BRISCOE CENTER FOR AMERICAN HISTORY AT UT AUSTIN LAST WEEK.
AND ONE DAY I EASILY FOUND A GREAT DEAL OF DOCUMENTATION IN THE
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COITO COLLECTION, WHICH TELLS THE STORY OF THE CAF IN DETAIL.THOUSANDS OF COP'S LETTERS HE RECEIVED AND SENT THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE ARE FOUND IN THIS COLLECTION.
YOU HAVE COPIES IN THE RESEARCH I LEARNED CARLTON ADAMS, THE ARCHITECT FOR THE SYNTA, THE STATE BOARD OF CONTROL, THE SAN ANTONIO CITY ATTORNEY, THE SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR COBB, YOUR PREDECESSORS ALL PARTICIPATED AND WERE VERY PLEASED THAT COPINE WAS ABLE TO SECURE THE CHANGE IN LOCATION.
FROM THE BANDSTAND TO THE BATTLE PR BATTLEFIELD FOOTPRINT CHAIRMAN TIER OF THE STATE BORDER CONTROL ROAD, WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF YOUR LETTER ADVISING OF YOUR SUCCESS IN SECURING EASEMENT IN A MORE DESIRABLE LOCATION FOR THE SYNAP, WE WISH TO THANK MR. COBB, THE MAYOR AND OTHERS WHO CONTRIBUTED TO OUR SUCCESS IN GETTING THIS LOCATION.
THAT IS WHY THE CHANGE OCCURRED.
THEY WANTED IT TO BE ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
DON'T MOVE THE CTA OFF THE BLOOD SOAKED BATTLEFIELD.
THE HISTORY IS VERY, VERY CLEAR.
THE NEXT PART OF THE PHASE ONE PROPOSAL INVOLVES A REORIENTATION OF THE CAF SO THAT IT'S TURNED 180 DEGREES.
KINI DID NOT START ITS DESIGN FOR THE CTA UNTIL HE HAD SECURED THE LOCATION ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
THE ORIENTATION WAS PART OF HIS DESIGN AND HIS DESCRIPTION OF HIS DESIGN INTENT CAN BE FOUND IN A DETAILED INTERVIEW HE TRANSCRIBED FROM A 1940, UH, RADIO TALK SHOW.
I ALSO FOUND THIS TRANSCRIPT IN THE COPT COLLECTION AT THE UT LIBRARY.
I'M 100% AGAINST A 180 DEGREE TWIST OF THE SYNTA.
THE PAID ALAMO CONSULTANTS PROVIDED YOU AN OLD POSTCARD TO SHOW DESIGN INTENT.
IS THAT IT? KINI DESCRIBES IN DETAIL HOW HE WANTED THE BACK PANEL TO FACE THE NORTH TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE FEDERAL FUNDING PROVIDED FOR THIS TEXAS CENTENNIAL.
THE FRONT PANEL IS THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE.
KINI WRITES THEIR SOUL ASCENDS INTO HEAVEN EMANATING FROM THEIR MANGLED BURNING FLESH.
THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE GOES ON AND ON TO GLORIOUS IMMORTALITY AND IT SHALL CONTINUE TO FURNISH AN INSPIRATION, PATRIOTIC DEVOTION AND A SENSE OF GRATIFYING PRIDE TO THE PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.
CO KINI UNDERSTOOD THE IMMENSE SACRIFICE THE HEROES MADE FOR TEXAS.
BRANDON BURKHART FOLLOWED BY LAMAR HENRY.
HELLO, MY NAME IS BRANDON BURKHART.
I'M PRESIDENT OF, THIS IS TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE.
WE WORK ON THE PRESERVATION OF TEXAS HISTORY.
GUYS, I WANTED TO UH, 0.11 THING OUT TO START THIS WHOLE THING OFF.
LAST TIME AT THE DECEMBER 4TH H D R C MEETING, COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ SAID THAT THERE ARE GROUPS, DIFFERENT GROUPS FROM ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS HERE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING.
BUT WE COME TOGETHER WITH ONE ONE, YOU KNOW, WE CONSOLIDATE UNDER ONE FACT AND THAT IS THAT THE SYNAP SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED FROM ITS LOCATION.
GUYS, WE LIVE IN A DIVISIVE WORLD.
BUT IF YOU'VE GOT HANNO, ANGLOS, AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND OTHER RACES COMING TOGETHER UNDER ONE THING, WHY, WHY WOULD WE WANNA MOVE THE ALAMO SYNAP? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BRINGING US ALL TOGETHER AT THIS POINT.
INSTEAD OF DIVIDING US NOW GUYS, WHERE THEY WANNA PLACE THIS.
ALAMO SYNAP HAS ALREADY BEEN TOLD TO YOU GUYS THAT IT, IT WAS WHERE THE LAT TRAIN WAS, WHERE THE BATHROOM IS THAT WHAT OTHER WAY COULD YOU DISRESPECT THAT MONUMENT MORE BY STICKING IT OVER THERE IN THAT LOCATION? YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS HELPED US OUT BECAUSE YOU GUYS DID SOMETHING THAT NOBODY HAS DONE SINCE 2017.
AND THAT IS YOU GUYS LISTENED TO US AT THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING AND EVERYBODY IN HERE APPRECIATES THAT.
YOU GUYS ARE OUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE.
YOU GUYS ARE, ARE OUR LAST LIFELINE TO BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU GUYS TO TELL YOU, PLEASE STOP THIS, LEAVE THE SENATE HALF WHERE IT IS.
YOU KNOW, PAPINI DIDN'T WANT IT FLIPPED 180 DEGREES.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO WANT THIS THING MOVED FROM ITS ACTUAL LOCATION ARE GETTING PAID ON THIS THING.
THEY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE TRAVELED THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS AND NOT ONE PERSON HAS EVER TOLD US THAT.
OH YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
EVERYONE SAYS NOT ONE INCH, DON'T MOVE THE ALAMO SENATE ATTACK.
MR. HENRY RECEIVES FOUR MINUTES.
JOANNE HENRY HAS YIELDED HER TIME.
JOANNE, CAN I SEE YOUR HAND? THANK YOU.
I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE HERE LIKE ON DECEMBER THE FOURTH TO SEE IF THIS COMMITTEE WILL STEP UP AND TAKE THE HIGH ROAD OR INSTEAD MARCH IN LEFT LOCKSTEP, WHICH ARE POINTERS IN THE CITY HALL.
IT'S OBVIOUS IN PAST MEETINGS THAT
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THERE ARE MEMBERS HERE WITH CHARACTER AND UNDERSTAND IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING HISTORY.AND THEN THERE ARE SOME WHO ARE CITY HALL RUBBER STAMPERS TODAY.
WHEN YOU VOTE THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO, WE'LL SEE WHICH OF THOSE EACH ONE OF YOU ARE.
YOUR DECISION WILL BE BROADCAST ACROSS TEXAS AND THE COUNTRY AND THE VOTE BY EACH ONE OF YOU BE PUBLICLY KNOWN ACROSS THE INTERNET.
YOU MIGHT THINK FROM LISTENING TO RHETORIC, MY SON WATCHING NEWSCAST, WHATEVER, THAT THIS FIGHT IS IMPORTANT ONLY TO DESCENDANTS OF THOSE WHO PERISHED IN THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO OR TO DESCENDANTS OF NATIVE AMERICANS WHOSE ANCESTORS ARE LIKELY BURIED WITHIN THE ALAMO COMPLEX.
OUR ORGANIZATION, FOR INSTANCE, THIS IS TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE HAS BEEN IN THE FOREFRONT OF THIS FIGHT FOR YEARS.
FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE SPEAK, WE ARE SPEAKING FOR MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TEXANS WHO ARE DEFIANTLY OPPOSED TO THE REMOVAL OF THE SENATE TAB.
WE SPEAK FOR THEM, WE ARE THEIR VOICE AND THEY ARE NOT HAPPY AT ALL ABOUT THIS.
THESE MANY TEXANS HAVE JOBS, FAMILIES, RESPONSIBILITIES, CANNOT AFFORD TO SPEND TIME AT ALAMO.
ADVISORY PROPAGANDA MEETINGS THAT SELECT PLACES IN THE STATE.
WE KNOW WE WERE AT EVERY ONE OF THEM.
OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, OUR REVIEW MEETINGS FOR THAT MATTER.
THIS IS OUR VOLUNTEER MISSION.
THIS IS OUR JOB, THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT.
BUT NATIVE AMERICANS YOU RECENTLY BECAME AWARE OF IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD GIVE ALL OF YOU MORE REASON TO RECONSIDER THE RE REMOVAL OF THE CTA.
IN ADDITION TO THE DISHONOR, THE REMOVING WILL DISPLAY TO THE FALLEN AND HEROES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS FOR WHICH THE EMPTY TOMB STANDS.
IMMEMORIAL TO THE ALAMO AND CTA ARE THE PRIDE AND JOY OF TEXAS.
THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS ARE KNOWN WORLD.
ANY VISITORS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, AND THEY KNOW THIS STORY, THIS NARRATIVE VERY WELL.
THEY TAKE PRIDE IN IT JUST LIKE MOST AMERICANS DO.
BUT WHERE IS THIS PRIDE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, IN THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ENDLESSLY VOTES AGAINST THE WISHES AND NEEDS OF CITIZENS IN THE CITY, YET WASTE THEIR TAXPAYERS MONEY ON TAXPAYERS MONEY ON FRIVOLOUS BUT EXPENSIVE PROJECTS AGENDA.
AND THIS $450 MILLION ONE IS A REAL DOOZY.
THE LARGE QUESTION, THE MAIN QUESTION TEXAS AND VISITORS WANT AN ANSWER TO IS WHY, WHY IN THE FIRST PLACE DO WE HAVE A CORPORATE LAND GRAB INSTITUTED BY GLOBALISTS AND SOCIALISTS? YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOURSELF THE SAME QUESTION.
WELL, WE CAN SEE THAT THE FIRST IS BASED ON GREED AND THE SECOND ONE SEEKS TO REWRITE HISTORY IN ALL OF THESE MONOTONOUS PRESENTATIONS WE AND A FEW OTHER TEXANS SUFFERED THROUGH FOR MONTHS.
NEVER WAS THIS QUESTION ANSWERED.
AND THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE DEFENDERS OF THE ALAMO.
ALL THEY TALK ABOUT IS PAVEMENT AND PARK BENCHES WHILE 15 SECONDS.
THEY'RE OKAY WHILE STUFF FULL OF KEYWORDS LIKE REVERENCE, HONOR, AND LAME REASONS FOR THIS SENATE TOUGH TO ANY OTHER LOCATION.
THEY NEVER ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
THEY BASICALLY JUST TOLD PEOPLE THAT THEY WANTED TO DO IT AND IT'S OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY VOTERS NEVER HAD A SAY ON THIS AND THEY DON'T WANT IT.
PAUL GE PAUL GEIL, FOLLOWED BY TOM JACKSON.
MR. GEEL WILL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES.
UM, CHERYL GEIL AND ALAN G HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME.
THANK Y'ALL AGAIN FOR BEING HERE, ALL OF YOU THIS TIME IT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, AND ALSO I NOTICED THAT WE'VE GOT SOME NEW FRIENDS HERE, PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T HERE AT THE LAST ROUND.
THERE'S ALSO SOME PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS.
AND UH, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THIS SECOND MEETING 'CAUSE IT WAS AT ONE O'CLOCK AND NOT THREE STILL ON THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK WEDNESDAY.
SO I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO'VE SPOKEN OUT PRIOR TO.
I'M PRETTY SURE THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS THE LAST ROUND, THEIR STATEMENTS STILL STAND.
AND OF COURSE THERE'S SOME HERE THAT ARE HERE TO REITERATE HOW THEY FEEL.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ABBREVIATIONS ON THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S MORE PEOPLE YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD GIVE MORE DETAIL ON WHAT IS PLANNED RATHER THAN ABBREVIATING IT AND GIVING OUT LESS DETAILS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST CONCERN, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE THESE ISSUES, YOU WOULD GIVE OUT MORE DETAILS TO PRESENT
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YOUR CASE RATHER THAN REDACTING IT AND SHORTENING IT ALL FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.UH, I WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH LEE.
IT'S, IT'S NEVER, IT'S NEVER GREAT DETAIL.
THERE'S NEVER A, UH, A CERTAIN PLACE WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.
THREE LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, TURN IT AROUND, DISRESPECT THE ARTIST AND HOW HE MEANT IT TO SIT.
WE HAVE NO, UH, NO REAL CONCERN AS TO, YOU KNOW, THE REAL MEANING BEHIND THE SYNTA.
WE'RE JUST GONNA GIVE YOU THE PRETTY PICTURES AND WE'RE GONNA GET IT DONE AND GET IT REMOVED AND WE'LL THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING LATER DOWN THE ROAD.
WHERE'S THE BANDSTAND GONNA GO AFTER IT'S MOVED? THAT'S NEVER REALLY BEEN PRESENTED.
AND YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION WHERE NO ONE REALLY CARED ABOUT THE BANDSTAND AND NOW SUDDENLY WE BEING TOLD IT'S MOVE TO A SECONDARY LOCATION.
I'M GLAD IT'S GONNA GO SOMEWHERE.
I JUST HOPE IT MAKES IT IN ITS MOVE.
THIS PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2018.
YES, THIS IS ALL OLD NEWS AND WE'RE HERE TO APPROVE OF A PERMIT TO START DISASSEMBLY.
THAT PLAN WAS RAILROADED THROUGH RUBBER STAMPED, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT.
IT WAS NOT REALLY CARED ABOUT TO THE AVERAGE PERSON.
THE AVERAGE VOTER, THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER HERE IN SAN ANTONIO DIDN'T GET A SAY IN IT.
AND MOST PEOPLE STILL TO THIS DAY HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
UH, EVERY DAY NEWS STATIONS COVER THIS SUBJECT.
SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES COVERED THIS SUBJECT.
AND MORE PEOPLE FIND OUT IN THEY'RE INCENSE, THEY'RE MAD AND THEY CAN'T BE HERE AT THESE MEETINGS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.
DIS THERE IS COMPLETE DIS DISREGARD OF THE DECISION WHERE IT SITS FROM THIS TEAM THERE.
IF YOU HAD ANY PLANS FOR REVERENCE THAN YOU WOULD'VE CONSIDERED TO KEEP IT THERE FROM THE START, YOU WOULD'VE NEVER CONSIDERED MOVING.
IT DISLODGING IT, REPAIRING IT IN PLACE.
THERE WAS A DAMAGE ASSESSMENT DONE IN 2014 WHERE IT SAID YOU COULD FIX IT FOR THREE DIFFERENT EXPENDITURES, ALL OF WHICH RECOMMENDED AGAINST MOVING IT ENTIRELY.
HOW DO WE FAST FORWARD FROM 2014 TO 2017 AND SUDDENLY EVERYTHING'S PEACHY, KEEN AND WE CAN JUST RELOCATE IT AND IT'LL BE FINE.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT SOME OF YOU ON THIS PANEL, NOT ALL OF YOU, BUT SOME OF YOU THAT WE'VE NOTICED, HAVE A COMPLETE DISDAINFUL LOOK UPON YOUR FACE.
OR MAYBE YOU THINK IT'S FUNNY THAT SOME OF US, WHAT WE SAY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED AND I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL.
AND I THINK HONESTLY, SOME OF YOU THAT DO THAT SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU CONTINUE TO SERVE HERE.
PEOPLE HAVE DRIVEN OUT OF STATE ACROSS THE STATE TO COME HERE FOR THIS ONE DAY.
AND YOU SHOULD AT LEAST SHOW THEM A LITTLE BIT OF RESPECT AND GRATITUDE AND NOT BE SMILING, LAUGHING, OR EATING WHILE WE'RE SPEAKING.
WE HAVEN'T EATEN ALL DAY AND WE PROBABLY WON'T UNTIL WE'RE DONE HERE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DRIVE HOME IS THAT Y'ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO STOP THIS.
YOU CAN TABLE IT AGAIN AND WE CAN DO THIS MEETING AGAIN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
WE CAN DO IT AFTER CHRISTMAS WHENEVER YOU WANNA DO.
BUT IF YOU FORWARD IT THROUGH, YES, THERE WILL BE BACKLASH.
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING AND IT'S INEVITABLE.
I MEAN, RUMORS FLOATED AROUND FROM THE LAST MEETING AND NOW GEORGE P. BUSH SAYS THAT THERE WON'T BE A STATUE.
I'M GREAT THAT AFTER TWO YEARS OF IT BEING A RUMOR, IT FINALLY GOT ADDRESSED.
HOW MANY OTHER RUMORS DO WE HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND SCREAM ABOUT BEFORE THEY TOO GET ADDRESSED? WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS THAT WERE FOUND IN BETWEEN THIS LAST MEETING AND THE NEXT? OR ARE THEY NATIVE AMERICANS? THERE'S THREE BODIES THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP FINDING BODIES.
IF YOU KEEP DISLODGING THINGS, IF YOU KEEP DIGGING STUFF UP, AND I GUARANTEE YOU AN AREA IN THE PLAZA THAT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN 80 YEARS WITH THREE COMPOST SANTOS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT ANNA FRANCISCAN OR SPANISH BURIAL GROUND AS WELL.
WE WILL FIND BODIES, YOU WILL FIND THINGS DOWN THERE AND YOU WILL DISTURB MORE BURIAL GROUNDS.
THERE IS NO NEED TO CONTINUE THIS PANIC.
YOU CAN KEEP THE SYNTA IN PLACE AS PART OF THIS PLAN.
AND HONESTLY, WITH ITS MOVEMENT BEING CONSIDERED SO, SO HARDLY, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GET A NEW PLAN THAT KEEPS IT IN PLACE? TELL THE PLANNERS, TELL THE DEVELOPERS TO RECONSIDER THIS WHOLE IDEA.
MAKE IT MORE REVERENT IN A LEGITIMATE WAY BY HONORING THE DEFENDER'S MEMORIAL RIGHT WHERE IT SITS RATHER THAN FLIPPING IT AROUND AND DISREGARDING ITS MEANING, ITS PURPOSE, AND THE EFFORTS OF THE ARTIST WHO MADE IT.
ISN'T THIS THE CITY WE DESERVE? DON'T WE DESERVE TRANSPARENCY? BUT INSTEAD WE HAVE TO SCREAM.
ALL OF US HAVE TO SCREAM ABOUT CERTAIN RUMORS TO GET THEM ADDRESSED.
AND ONLY ONCE THEY GO PUBLIC, WE DON'T EVER GET THE ANSWERS UP FRONT.
INSTEAD, WE COME HERE TODAY AND WE GET LESS OF THE PLAN, LESS OF THE PLAN.
YOU'RE GONNA CON CONDENSE IT LIKE WE'RE IDIOTS, LIKE WE'RE STUPID.
AND YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US LESS DETAILS ON A VERY EGREGIOUS MOVEMENT OF A MONUMENT THAT WAS DEDICATED TO SIT RIGHT WHERE IT IS AND NEVER BE MOVED.
THANK Y'ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD MY TIME OVER TO THE NEXT PERSON.
I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE FOR IT, AGAINST IT.
LET'S BE NICE AND GIVE THEM THE REST OF MY TIME.
UM, TOM JACKSON, FOLLOWED BY DAN CHANDLER.
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TOM JACKSON.OKAY? YES, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM.
DID YOU? OH, YOU GONNA STOP, SIR, PLEASE USE THE MICROPHONE.
PROBABLY HEAR ME OUTSIDE MAYBE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ANYTHING.
GOD TOLD ME TO COME DOWN HERE.
IF ANY OF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO OR NOT, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, THE DEVIL'S NOT EVER SATISFIED.
HE WANTS THE MOST ICONIC SYMBOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THE ALAMO, THE VERY HEART, THE ESSENCE OF TEXAS.
IF I, IF I MOVE TO MEXICO, HOW AM I GONNA LIVE THERE? WELL, HOW LONG UNTIL I'M KILLED? AND IF MEXICO MOVES HERE, HOW LONG UNTIL I'M KILLED? NONE OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE A FUTURE.
ALL THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE ALAMO.
THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING KILLED AND MURDERED.
AND YOU WOULD BE THE MURDERERS, THE SPAGHETTI MONSTER DIDN'T GIVE TEXAS TO AMERICA.
AND I'M HERE TO SAY THIS, WE DEPEND UPON ALMIGHTY GOD TO KEEP THAT SANITA WHERE IT'S WE DON'T DEPEND UPON THEM.
AND YOU BETTER PRAY TO ALMIGHTY GOD.
EVERY ONE OF US BETTER PRAY BECAUSE HE CAN GET THIS DONE, NOT THEM.
AND THIS MATTER ABOUT WHICH WE SPEAK IS YOUR LIFE AND DEATH.
AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU GO TO HELL 15 SECONDS, AND ALSO YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN.
THESE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE A FUTURE.
AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE COLORED.
I I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE MEXICAN.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE WHITE, SIR.
DAN CHANDLER, FOLLOWED BY RAMON GARZA.
WAS TOM JACKSON HERE? OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON.
TOO BAD THE PODIUM'S NOT CENTERED WHERE I THINK IT SHOULD BE.
IF Y'ALL REMEMBER I WAS HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL AND, AND WHAT MANY PEOPLE OUT HERE FEEL.
I'M A DIRECTOR OF, THIS IS TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE ABOUT PROTECTING EVERYTHING TEXAS.
NOW I'M ONE PERSON HERE, BUT WE HAVE MANY FOLLOWERS AND MEMBERS ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND THEY FEEL EXACTLY LIKE WE DO.
I ASK THAT THIS COMMITTEE UP HERE, DO NOT APPROVE THAT THIS, THAT THE PERMIT FOR DESTRUCTION OF THE SENATE TAP IS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THERE'S NO WAY TO TAKE IT APART.
PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AND IT WILL NOT BE DESTROYED.
THERE ARE REPORTS OUT THERE THAT STATE THAT, THAT IT'S, THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
NOW, MANY TEXANS FEEL, IF Y'ALL WERE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE RESTORATION IN PLACE, THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE.
BUT TO, TO APPROVE THE IDEA, TO MOVE THAT SYNTA TO TURN IT, LIKE THESE PEOPLE, THESE OUTSIDERS ARE SAYING OR ASKING THAT THEY WANNA DO IS, IS AGAINST EVERYTHING TEXAS.
NOBODY SHOULD APPROVE OF THAT PERMIT TO DESTROY THE TAF.
NOBODY SHOULD APPROVE THAT IF YOUR HEART IS TEXAS.
BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE THAT SAY, HEY, SPEAK FOR US.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE HERE FOR THEIR REASONS THAT THEY CAN'T COME BECAUSE OF WORK FAMILY.
THEY'RE ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS.
I WAS IN WEST TEXAS TALKING TO SOME FOLKS OUT THERE THAT I DO BUSINESS WITH.
THEY'RE JUST DISGUSTED THAT SAN ANTONIO WAS ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND I KNOW IT WASN'T Y'ALL EARLIER.
WE WERE TOLD THAT IN 2018 THE PLAN WAS APPROVED.
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IT WAS NOT APPROVED BY TEXAS.LUPE GARZA RIVERA, FOLLOWED BY JOE MURPHY, LUPE GARZA, RIVERA JOE MURPHY.
IF THERE'S A WRONG LAST NAME, WRONG MIDDLE NAME WAS PUT IN THERE.
I RESIDE AT 1243 FLANDER AVENUE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
UH, THE ONLY THING THAT GETS ME HERE IS, UM, THE HISTORY PART, OF COURSE.
AND I, I ATTENDED LANIER JUNIOR HIGH BACK WHEN IT WAS JUNIOR HIGH, SEVENTH GRADE.
AND ONE OF THE SUBJECTS WAS TEXAS HISTORY.
SO BY YOU ALL PERMITTING THIS PLAN TO GO ON, IT'S GONNA TURN ALL THOSE EDUCATORS INTO LIARS.
'CAUSE I HAVE BELIEVED THE TEXAS HISTORY THAT I LEARNED THERE AT LANIER, AND I'M SURE THE REST OF TEXAS DID AS WELL.
I'M 69 YEARS OLD AND I BELIEVE THIS HISTORY, ALL THIS TIME, I'VE TAUGHT IT TO MY CHILDREN, TO MY GRANDCHILDREN, TO MY GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN.
SO NOW I'M GONNA BE PROOF A LIAR BECAUSE OF THIS REIMAGINING REDEVELOPMENT, REWRITING HISTORY.
AND MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE PART OF THE LIARS BY APPROVING, PERMITTING THIS PLAN TO GO ON? UM, I DON'T LIKE TO BE CALLED A LIAR.
I CAN TELL YOU I'M THE MOST HONEST PERSON YOU'D EVER WANNA MEET.
OF COURSE, YOU'D HAVE TO KNOW ME PERSONALLY.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU MY INTEGRITY IS WHAT I HAVE, THAT'S MINE.
AND FOR THIS HISTORY TO BE REWRITTEN, I'M GONNA BE TURNED INTO A LIAR ALONG WITH ALL THE EDUCATORS THAT EDUCATED ME.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NOT MUCH I CAN SAY OTHER THAN THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME HERE.
I AM FROM FREDERICKSBURG, TEXAS.
AND AFTER 73 YEARS OF GROWING UP A TEXAN.
PROBABLY ONE OF THE LAST THINGS I COULD HAVE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT IS RE-IMAGINING THE ALAMO.
THAT IS PROBABLY, UH, IT'S JUST INCONCEIVABLE AND I THINK IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE, AND YOU CAN TELL THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
WHAT, WHAT KIND OF LEGACY IS THIS DECISION GOING TO MAKE? WE ARE SUFFERING A LOT IN OUR, IN OUR NATION NOW BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T DISRESPECT THE PAST.
AND IF YOU TAKE THIS STEP, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT TIME? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA THINK WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEBODY? SAY WHAT? THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMITTEE OF HONOLULU, HAWAII HAS A PLAN TO REIMAGINE PEARL HARBOR AND THEY WANT TO MOVE TO U S S ARIZONA.
HI, UM, MY NAME'S STEVE INGER.
A CITIZEN, UM, SORRY FOR MY BROKEN GLASSES.
UM, IN CASE LAW, A VERDICT IS MADE AND PRECEDENT IS ESTABLISHED.
I BELIEVE SIMILAR RESPECT SHOULD BE SHOWN FOR THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF MAR MONUMENTS ERECTED BY OUR FOREFATHERS.
I CAN'T REMEMBER A TIME NOT SEEING THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE WHERE IT IS.
17, UH, MONUMENTS AND 21 HISTORICAL MARKERS ARE IN, UH, THE CI UH, OUR
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STATE CAPITAL BUILDING, UM, TO COMMEMORATE CERTAIN A, UM, UH, ASPECTS OF TEXAS IDENTITY.UH, IN 2005, SOMEONE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS AND WANTED IT MOVED.
UH, THE COURT RULED THAT IT COULD STAY.
SO, HISTORY AND THE RESPECT FOR OUR BELIEFS, THE BELIEFS OF OUR FOREFATHERS STAND IN SAN ANTONIO.
THERE'S HERTFORD CLOCK, THIS, UH, SAR HOUSE, THE TWIN CYPRESS, UM, THE GRAVE OF THE, UH, PAT THE HORSE, UH, SAN ANTONIO, UH, RIVER LOCK OF DEB 141ST, UH, INFANTRY, UH, REGIMENT.
HISTORICAL MARKER TO NAME A FEW.
UH, WILL WE NOT MOVE THESE? UM, WHY SHOULD WE, UH, MOVE THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE ERECTED IN 1936 COM COMMEMORATING THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO IN 1836, A HUNDRED YEARS AROUND, UM, 15 SECONDS.
ALL OF THESE, UH, MAKE US WHO WE ARE TO MOVE.
IT WOULD BE A DISRESPECT FOR THEM, DISRESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO BUILT THE MONUMENT AND DISRESPECT, UH, DISHONORING OURSELVES.
DON DICKSON, FOLLOWED BY PASTOR SAM.
MY NAME IS DAWN DIXON, AND I RESIDE AT 2 0 6 MORNINGSIDE DRIVE IN SAN ANTONIO.
LEMME TELL YOU WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
MY WIFE WAS A DAUGHTER, REPUBLIC OF TEXAS, AND SHE VOLUNTEERED FOR THE ALAMO HELP RUNNING THE ALAMO FREE OF CHARGE FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS.
SO THESE PEOPLE, THESE LADIES WHO RAN IT AND MANAGED IT FOR 105 YEARS, DEDICATED THEIR LIVES IN SERVING TEXAS, SERVING THE ALAMO, AND KEEPING THE ALAMO IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT MEANT TO TEXAS.
AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP AGAINST THE LAST FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS IS CHANGING A LOT OF THIS.
THE, YOU'RE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU CAN HELP THE PEOPLE NOT MAKE THESE CHANGES, WHICH ARE NOT GOOD FOR SAN ANTONIO.
THE DAUGHTERS WERE VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH THEIR, THEIR APPROACH IN MANAGING THE ALAMO ALAMO PLAZA IN THE STREETS, WHICH THEY HAD CUSTODY OF.
IN FACT, THEY, UM, THEY DID THIS IN, IN 1975.
THEY, THEY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT WAS THERE, AND THEY HIRED WITH THE MONEY THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GAVE THE CITY.
THE DAUGHTERS HIRED JAMES KETER AND THEY REDID ALO PLAZA, AND THEY HAD SOME CRITERIA USE UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW OF ALAMO SHRINE FROM ALAMO STREET PLANT NATIVE OAK TREES ON ALAMO PLAZA.
THEY PLANTED ABOUT 26 OR 27 TREES PROVIDE SEATING FOR ABOUT THREE 15 SECONDS, WHICH THEY DID PROVIDE FLAGSTAFF PAVERS FOR ALMO PLAZA, EAST STREET AND WALKWAYS.
SO THE DESIGN STRENGTH COULD SUPPORT HEAVY PARADE FLOATS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW IS THAT YOU'RE MAKING CHANGES THAT ARE NOT GOOD.
THERE'S CEMETERY, IS THERE, THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH THESE LAWSUITS.
SO WHAT YOU ALL NEED TO DO IS NOT MR. ADVANCE THIS PLAN, BUT DELAY IT.
PASTOR SAM RECEIVES FOUR MINUTES.
CAN I SEE JEN'S HAND? IS THERE JEN LOWE THERE THAT DOUBT? I'LL UH, GO WITH TWO MINUTES.
I'D LIKE TO READ FROM THE WORD, THIS IS NEHEMIAH.
I'M PASTOR SAM GOSPEL GUNSLINGERS.
I PUBLISHED PASTOR SAM'S LATIN AMERICA WAR REPORT AND MIGRANT INVASION NEWS.
WHY SHOULD NOT MY COUNTENANCE BE SAD WHEN THE CITY, THE PLACE OF MY FATHER'S SERS LATH WASTE? AMEN.
I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GEORGE P. BUSH, HIS INTENTION AND THESE CHANGES, A CHANGE WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN REFERRED TO AS A 180 DEGREE SHIFT OF TEXAS IDEALS, GOD AND COUNTRY, OUR FOREFATHERS, THE GOSPEL GUN SLINGERS, WHO STOOD UP AND FOUGHT FOR THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FAMILIES, AND ESTABLISHED THIS PLACE.
AND I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GENERAL SANTA ANA.
CAN I GET A BOO FROM TEXAS? I SAID GENERAL SANTA ANA BOO.
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I DON'T CONSIDER THIS A U S A VERSUS MEXICO ISSUE 'CAUSE I DON'T CONSIDER GENERAL SANTA ANA TO BE A MEXICAN.SINCE HE TOOK A COMMISSION AS CAPTAIN FROM THE SPANISH, A FOREIGN AND EXTRA HEMISPHERIC POWER TO FIGHT AGAINST MEXICO, HE FOUGHT TO DEPOSE THREE DIFFERENT MEXICAN PRESIDENTS AND HE OFFERED TO FIGHT TO DEPOSE BONITA JUAREZ, THE GREAT REFORMER OF MEXICO.
AND IF YOU LOOK BACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE BUSH FAMILY, I THINK TEXAS HAD ABOUT ENOUGH OF THEM, THEIR FOREIGN WARS.
THERE'S SHENANIGANS AND THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA RISE FROM THE GRAVE IN, IN, IN, UH, GEORGE PRESCOTT BUSH.
YOU KNOW, HIS UNCLE DUB STAR WARS ALL OVER THE WORLD.
SIR, AND DON'T FORGET, ADDRESS THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT GEORGE P BUSH'S MEETING WITH GOVERNOR CABE DE VACA.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED ON DAVE HODGES THE COMMON SENSE SHOW.COM.
THERE IS AN ARMY BEING RAISED AND THE BUSHES ARE PUTTING THIS GOVERNOR UP TO CAUSE A CIVIL WAR IN MEXICO THAT'S GONNA SPILL OVER HERE.
NOW WE'RE GONNA FORGET THEIR MEMORY AS GEORGE P. BUSH PLAYED THE RACE CARD.
I SAY HE'S NOT BROWN, HE'S BLUE BLOODED AND YELLOW BELIED.
UM, CAN YOU CONFIRM THERE'S ALSO A JOHN HEENT WHO'S CROSSED OUT, BUT THEN IT SAYS SARAH IS YIELDING TIME TO HIM.
WHO'S SPEAKING? DO YOU BOTH WANNA SPEAK? OKAY.
OKAY, SO JOHN HEENT, PLEASE COME UP FOUR MINUTES AND HE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY ANGELA SMITH.
MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS JOHN HENNE, 80 YEARS OLD AND A SIX GENERATION NATIVE TEXAN.
WE'LL BUY YOU A CUP OF STARBUCKS FINEST COFFEE.
I'M FROM SAN ANTONIO AND REPRESENT ONLY MYSELF.
I'VE BEEN A STUDENT OF ALAMO HISTORY FOR 65 PLUS YEARS, AND I'M HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT THE PLAN TO MOVE THE ALAMO SAN TO THE PROPOSED NEW LOCATION.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE 1836 ALAMO DEFENDERS, THERE IS NOTHING SACRED ABOUT THE CURRENT SITE OF THE ALAMO SENATOR.
A 1931 PHOTOGRAPH CLEARLY REVEALS THIS SITE WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A FLOWER AND PLANT FILLED PARKING ESPANADE SITUATED BETWEEN ALAMO STREET EAST AND ALAMO STREET.
IT WAS THE ONLY AVAILABLE SITE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE ALAMO WHERE THE TAF COULD BE PLACED WITHOUT COMPETING WITH OTHER BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES.
IN REALITY, THE ALAMO SYNTA WAS PLACED ON A SITE SELECTED BY DEFAULT DECISION, NOT A CAREFULLY STUDIED PLAN.
DAVID CROCKETT WAS NOT EXECUTED ON THAT SPOT.
AND THE LAST STAND OF THE AMO DEFENDERS DID NOT HAPPEN THERE.
MOST OF THE DEFENDERS WERE KILLED DEFENDING THE WALLS ARE, WERE, ARE FIGHTING FOR INSIDE VARIOUS BUILDINGS.
I AND MANY OTHERS HAVE CONTINUALLY ADVOCATED FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE 1836 BATTLEFIELD.
LESS THAN 5% OF THOSE WALLS REMAIN, 100% OF THOSE WALLS CAN NEVER BE RECREATED.
BUT THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THAT RESTORATION CAN HAPPEN IF THE SENATE HALF IS MOVED FROM ITS PRESENT LOCATION FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1836, THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE ALAMO PLAZA TO THE HISTORIC PLACE OF RESPECT IT DESERVES AND HAS NEVER BEEN.
GIVEN THAT RARE MOMENT OF ALAMO HISTORY MUST NOT BE LOST.
PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW YOUR VOTE TO BE SWAYED BY THE EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN ARGUMENTS OPPOSING MOVING AS ALAMO SENATE OR THE THREAT OF POSSIBLE LITIGATION.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS PARTS OF THE ALAMO PLAZA PLAN I DO NOT SUPPORT.
MOVING THE ALAMO SENATE IS NOT ONE OF 'EM.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU TODAY.
I REMAIN JOHN L HENNE GOD IN TEXAS.
ANGELA SMITH, FOLLOWED BY CORY HARRIS.
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GOOD AFTERNOON.I LIVE IN FREDERICKSBURG, TEXAS.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AND THOSE IN MY CIRCLE OF INFLUENCE.
UM, AND THOSE WHO CANNOT BE HERE.
I I HAVE TO LAUGH AT WHAT THE GENTLEMAN JUST SAID.
BECAUSE KINI WROTE, I WAS ANXIOUSLY AND PERSONALLY AWARE OF THE MEMORIAL TO THE HEROES OF THE ALAMO SHOULD STAND IN THE VERY SPOT WHERE HIS FAMOUS BATTLE WAS FOUGHT.
I WAS VERY CAREFUL TO FIRST GET CONSENT OF ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
HE GOES ON TO SAY THAT IT IS AN HONOR TO SECURE THE SACRED OF ALL TEXAS LANDMARKS AND THE ABILITY TO RE-DEDICATE THAT BLOOD STAINED GROUND IN THE STRUGGLE FOR TEXAS INDEPENDENCE.
TO THOSE WHO MADE THE SUPREME SACRIFICE, KNOWING OF NO HOPE OF IMMEDIATE VICTORY OR WANTING TO ESCAPE, BUT WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES ON THAT VERY SPOT, FIGHTING ITS GREAT HEROES IN ORDERS THAT TEXAS MAY BE BORN.
NOW IT IS UP TO US TO MAKE A WORK THAT WILL REALLY HONOR THEM.
IT REALLY DOES CONTRADICT THE LAST TESTIMONY.
I COULDN'T EVEN SEE THE ALAMO ON THE EARLIER RENDITIONS BEST PRACTICES MAKE IT PREMATURE TO ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT PRIOR TO THE UPCOMING LAWSUIT.
AND THE FACT THAT A PROPER SITE HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED UPON.
I WOULD SAY THAT THIS WILL BE CONSIDERED A HIGHLY SUSPECT AND I HAVE TO SAY IT WILL CALL YOUR INTEGRITY INTO QUESTION.
I IMPLORE YOU NOT TO GRANT THE PERMIT NECESSARY TO BEGIN PHASE ONE.
CORY HARRIS, FOLLOWED BY SUSAN GREEN.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CORY HARRIS.
I AM A NATIVE TEXAN, AS ARE MY CHILDREN THAT WILL INHERIT A TEXAS WHOSE HISTORY THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP IS ATTEMPTING TO MOLEST.
I NOTICED SOMETHING MISSING FROM THOSE PHOTOS.
IT APPEARS YOU FORGOT THE ALAMO THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO REMEMBER.
THE ALAMO MOVING, MOVING THE CAF SHOULD NOT BE UP FOR DEBATE.
THE CAF IS A SYMBOL HONORING THOSE THAT BLED AND DIED FOR WHAT WOULD LEAD TO OUR BEAUTIFUL TEXAS INDEPENDENCE, FREEDOMS, LIBERTIES THAT WE STILL LOVE AND ENJOY TODAY.
WHAT THIS CITY IS ATTEMPTING AS AN ABOMINATION, THE RISK INVOLVED IN MOVING THIS SACRED MEMORIAL IS TOO GREAT TO ATTEMPT.
IT SHOULD BE ABANDONED IMMEDIATELY.
THERE IS A SAYING THAT SAYS, IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
I FEAR THIS CITY WILL ATTEMPT TO FIX IT TILL IT IS BROKEN.
WHAT THEN? I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO IMAGINE FOR A MOMENT THAT SOMEONE CAME ALONG AND WANTED TO MOVE THE GRAVE MARKER OF YOUR PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS OR GREAT-GRANDPARENTS.
PICK IT UP, TURN IT AROUND, FACE IT ANOTHER DIRECTION AND STICK IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT'S INAPPROPRIATE, IT'S DISRESPECTFUL.
NEARLY EVERY COUNTRY HAS AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER FOUGHT TO ESTABLISH ITS BORDERS.
THE DEFENDERS OF THE ALAMO DID JUST THAT.
WHAT IS BEING ATTEMPTED HERE IS DISHONORABLE, DISRESPECTFUL AND DISGRACEFUL AND SHOULD BE ABANDONED.
THIS SACRED MEMORIAL AS A PET PROJECT IS UNJUST.
I LOVE THE ALAMO, THE CTA IN MY STATE OF TEXAS, JUST THE WAY IT IS.
IF YOU DON'T, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP NEEDS TO TAKE PAUSE AND RE SECONDS.
THIS PROJECT DON'T MOVE THE CINO.
UM, AS MORE PEOPLE ARE ENTERING THE ROOM, UM, I JUST WANNA MENTION TO THOSE THAT ARE NEW, THAT THERE IS AN OVERFLOW SPACE WHERE WE CAN HAVE A SEAT AND WATCH THE HEARING UNTIL THE NEXT ITEMS ARE UP.
UM, WE CANNOT BLOCK THE DOUBLE DOORS.
AS YOU LISTEN AND DELIBERATE TODAY, PLEASE CONSIDER CAREFULLY WHICH SIDE OF HISTORY YOU WILL CHOOSE.
I ASK YOU TO BE CAUTIOUS AND EXERCISE YOUR AUTHORITY TO TABLE THE CITY'S REQUEST FOR THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUIRED TO BEGIN PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION.
WAIT UNTIL AFTER RELEVANT COURT HEARINGS SCHEDULED IN JANUARY.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO PENDING LAWSUITS WHICH DIRECTLY CHALLENGE THE ACTIONS BEING CONSIDERED TODAY.
UH, ONE IS BY THE TOP POLANCO NATION IN FEDERAL COURT AND THE OTHER BY THE ALAMO DEFENDER'S DESCENDANTS ASSOCIATION AND STATE COURT.
BOTH LAWSUITS NAMED THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, GENERAL LAND OFFICE, ALAMO TRUST AND CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AS DEFENDANTS.
AND THEY ASSERT THE ENTIRE ALAMO MISSION IS AN
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UNVERIFIED CEMETERY FOR TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE.SECTION 7 1 1 0 1 1 1 EVIDENCE INCLUDES THE BURIAL BOOK OF THE MISSION, SAN ANTONIO DI VALERO WITH OVER 1300 ENTRIES.
ALSO PHYSICAL REMAINS OF ALAMO DEFENDERS HAVE BEEN FOUND IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE MISSION COMPLEX SINCE THE 1850S.
AND AS RECENTLY AS 1979 WHEN THE SEVERED HEAD OF AN ALAMO DEFENDER WAS DISCOVERED.
MOST RECENTLY, YOU'VE SEEN THE HEADLINES IN THE NEWSPAPER, ALAMO PLAN CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES UNEARTHED HUMAN REMAINS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND THE SITE.
THE DEFENDANTS DID NOT DISCLOSE THIS INFORMATION 15 SECONDS TILL A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND DO NOT MOVE THE SE CTA MOVING THE SENATE TAT RISK, IRREPARABLE DAMAGE AND VIOLATES TEXAS LAW.
THE ALAMO PLAN PROJECT IS IF IT IS ALLOWED TO PROCEED TO THE EXCLUSION OF THE RIGHTFUL DESCENDANTS, THEIR ANCESTORS' GRAVE WILL BE, GRAVES WILL BE FORGOTTEN AND
THIS ALL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN COURT BEFORE MORE MAJOR DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION BEGINS.
AND THAT'S THE TIME WILL YOU STAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY OR FALL ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.
KEN MERCER FOLLOWED BY RITA SCH, WHO'S THE TIMER? I'M KEN MERCER, THE TEXAS STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION AND FORMER TEXAS STATE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE COMMITTEE OF HIGHER EDUCATION.
I HAD THE HONOR OF CARRYING THIS LAST YEAR.
THE, UH, NEW STANDARDS THAT MAKE SURE ALL TEXAS STUDENTS STUDY THE HEROIC DEFENDERS, THE ALAMO, AND READ THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, VICTORY OR DEATH LETTER OF WILLIAM TRAVIS.
I STAND BEFORE YOU ASK YOU YOU NOT TO MOVE OR DEFACE THE TAF.
BUT ALSO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ANOTHER ISSUE, WHICH WE, PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT ADDING, UH, AN HONOR TO THE OTHER, UH, FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
UH, WHEN YOU FIGHT FOR FREEDOM, THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE.
I REMIND YOU THAT SANTA ANA, WHEN HE CAME TO OFFICE IN 1835, HE, WE HAD A CONSTITUTION, WHICH TEXAS WAS PART OF AS A MEXICAN STATE.
1824, HE DECLARED HIMSELF DICTATOR IN APPALLING OF THIS HEMISPHERE.
HE TORE UP THE CONSTITUTION, WROTE HIS OWN S HIS OWN SEVEN LAWS.
AND THEN HE HAD HIS ME, HIS MEXICAN MILITARY GO AND MARCH OUT THE, THE, UH, ELECTED NATIONAL CONGRESS IN EVERY STATE LEGISLATURE.
HE SAW THE FLAG WITH FOUR NUMBERS ON THERE, 1, 8, 8, 2, 4.
THEY WANTED TO RESTORE THAT CONSTITUTION THAT HE, THAT HE TORE UP WHEN HE DEFEATED THE ALAMO.
HE DID, HE EXECUTED ALL SURVIVING CON COMBATANTS AND TO DENY A CHRISTIAN BURIAL TO THE DEFENDERS.
HE ORDERED ALL BODIES STRIP LOOTED, STACKED AND BURNED.
THREE WEEKS LATER, A PLACE CALLED GDD.
AGAIN, ALL THE BODIES WERE LOOTED, STRIPPED, AND BURNED.
HE AND HIS ARMY WERE NO HEROES ON THE OTHER SIDE.
LET ME CONCLUDE REAL QUICK BY AGAIN SAYING THAT I ASK YOU NOT TO MOVE.
'CAUSE IF YOU MOVE, YOU WILL DEFACE SECONDS.
AND LET ME CONCLUDE MY LAST THOUGHT THAT THERE'S A, WHEN I'VE SEE THE LEADERS THAT COME TO AUSTIN PROCLAIMING THAT SANTA ANA CAME TO FREE THE SLAVES.
UH, DICTATORS AND TYRANTS DO NOT COME TO FREE.
SLAVES, DICTATORS AND TYRANTS COME TO MAKE SLAVES.
RITA SHEMP, FOLLOWED BY MARIA TORRES.
OUR CITY LEADERS TELL US CONTEXT IS SO IMPORTANT.
YET MUSEUMS ARE FULL OF DISPLACED RELICS THAT ARE FRUSTRATED OF THEIR ORIGINAL PURPOSE IN PLACE.
OUR CONSERVATION SOCIETY KNEW BEST.
THEIR EARLY MEMBERS INSISTED THAT LANDMARKS BE PRESERVED IN PLACE TO REFLECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ORIGINAL CHARACTER.
THE SYNTA WHERE IT STANDS IS THE CONTEXT FOR THE BLOOD SOAKED SOIL WHERE OUR DEFENDERS DIED.
AND THE BURIALS ARE THE CONTEXT OF ALAMO PLAZA.
THE MOST RECENT EDITION OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION'S MEDALLION MAGAZINE STATES THAT TEXAS LAW STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE INTERPRETATION OF CEMETERIES.
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AND TCS.HISTORIC CEMETERY PRESERVATION COORDINATOR, JENNY MCWILLIAMS STATES PLAINLY PUT, ONCE A GRAVE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN A SITE, IT'S CONSIDERED A CEMETERY.
AS SUCH, DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ALLOWED.
RECORDS INDICATE BURIALS INSIDE AL THE ALAMO FOOTPRINT.
THE SYNAP IS A HEADSTONE IN THIS CEMETERY, IT MARKS WHERE DEFENDERS DREW THEIR LAST BREATH.
JUST AS ROADSIDE MEMORIALS SANCTIONED BY THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DUE ONLY THAT SPOT OF LAND IN ALAMO PLAZA HAS A DEEDED.
THE DEEDED STATES, IF THE SYNAP IS MOVED, THE LAND REVERTS TO THE STATE AND THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE WANTS IT BAD.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TRAVIS PARK MEMORIAL, YOU OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS YOU REPRESENT TO LEARN THE STORY, THE LACK OF DUE PROCESS, THE DAMAGE AND REAL TAXPAYER COSTS.
ME, THERE IS NO PLAN THAT I COULD SEE OF THE COST OF REMOVING THE SYNTA REPLACING IT.
THE HOMEWORK HAS NOT BEEN DONE.
19,000 TEXANS HAVE SIGNED PETITIONS AGAINST THIS PLAN.
IS SOPHIA TORRES HERE AS WELL? YES.
WE ACTUALLY, THE CHE INDIA FIRST NATION LINE DESCENDANTS.
WE ARE THE FOUNDERS WITH THE FIVE FAMILY FOUNDERS.
WE ALREADY TALKED TO YOU ON THE FOR YOU'RE DISRESPECTING US.
YOU KEEP DISRESPECTING US THAT WE ARE NOT THE FIRST NATION.
THERE'S NO SUCH A THING LIKE THAT.
OR YOU ARE OR ALWAYS TOLD US WITH.
I ALREADY GIVE YOU THE CEASE AND DECEASED.
THE WHOLE COMPOUND IS A CEMETERY.
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE SIX JUDGES TYPOS.
THEY HAVE TO DISRESPECT US FED, RECOGNIZE, GIMME A BREAK.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE FEDERAL RECOGNIZED.
WE PUT THE AMICUS BRIEF AND FAVOR OF YOUR PETITION.
AND YOU NOT NATION PLEASE USE THE MICROPHONE AND DON'T THREATEN ME.
NICK KILLIAN, WHERE ARE YOU? SUCH A COW.
PLEASE, PLEASE ADDRESS THE DON'T PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
ANDM GIVING YOU CEASE AND DECEASED.
AGAIN, THE PLAZA IS A BURIAL GROUND WITH AMERICAN TILE.
YOU JUST SAY CREATE GEORGE P. BUSH WITH THE ALAMO TRUST IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, NOVEMBER MORE REMAINS, MORE BODIES.
OCTOBER AND NOW DECEMBER WE SUBMIT AND WE WILL BE HEARD.
AND DAVID WILL HURT US ON THE 29TH TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION THERE BEING SUED.
HERE'S THE CERTIFICATE OF ABANDONED CEMETERY WITH THE NEXT KING IAN DESCENDANTS.
SHE HAS APPROVED THROUGH THE NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC.
THAT'S THE AUTHORITY AND D N A BLACK QUANTUM.
SUBMIT ALL THE AFFIRMATION OF THE INDIAN TREATIES.
WE ENTER A 70 40 TREATY AT THE SITE.
SO THE POPE IN SPAIN WILL PROTECT OUR BURS, WILL PROTECT BIRDS, MARRIAGES, AND DEATHS.
WE RUN OUTTA HERE MEXICO AND WE PROUD OF IT.
THEY'RE OUTTA THE RULE OF LAW.
AND YOU DON'T LIKE THE CHIEF AND COMMANDER OR PRESIDENT SPOKE ON THE 24TH OF OCTOBER AND THE UNITED NATIONS IN REFERENCE ALL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM SUMMIT INDICATE TO ANY NATION TO COME FORWARD AND PERSECUTE ANYBODY THAT DESTROYED RELICS RUINS SECRET GROUNDS.
THE LETTER IS ALREADY WITH HIM.
SO AGAIN, I ASK YOU, DO NOT APPROVE THIS PERMIT.
WE ARE IN LITIGATION, DON'T YOU ARE HERE.
ART MARTINEZ, COME AND CLEAR IT.
I'M SUBMITTING ALSO THE PRAY FOR THE ALAMO DEFENDERS.
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WE PREVAIL FOR THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE AND DON'T THREAT.I'M TELLING JANIQUE KILLIAN, I WILL PUT CHARGES AGAINST YOU AS I WAS WALKING BECAUSE THESE WOMEN DON'T HAVE A SAY SO.
WE
WE HAVE A SAY SO WE HAVE RIFLES, WE HAD GUNS.
SO AGAIN, SEIZING, CEASE, WE ARE IN LITIGATION.
GEORGE HARCORT, FOLLOWED BY FORREST BIAS.
I LIVE AT EIGHT 10 WILTSHIRE SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, BUT ALSO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY.
I THINK THAT IT'LL HELP US MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE A BETTER ALAMO.
THE BATTLEGROUND IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND FOR VISITORS NOW AS THEY LOOK ACROSS.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE EXCEPT TREES AND A MARBLE SLAB.
PUTTING THAT MARBLE SLAB AS A REVERED SYNTA AND A LOCATION WHICH IS BETTER FOR IT AND STILL CONNECTED TO THE ALAMO WILL BENEFIT T TEXANS AND OF COURSE SAN ANTONIO.
FORRES BAEZ POLL BY DARWIN BODECKER.
HELLO, UH, MY NAME'S FORREST BAAS, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
I'M A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF ANDREW KENT, AN ALAMO DEFENDER.
HE FOUGHT IN THE BATTLE OF GONZALEZ, WAS A JUDGE FOR TWO DELEGATES TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.
ALSO FOUGHT IN THE SIEGE AND BATTLE OF BEAR.
AND AS ONE OF THE IMMORTAL 32, HE ANSWERED TRAVIS'S FAMOUS LETTER AND REINFORCED THE ALAMO.
HIS NAME IS THE FIRST ONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CAF.
I WAS ORIGINALLY AGAINST MOVING THE CAF WHEN THE PLAN CALLED FOR IT TO BE PLACED AT MARKET STREET PARK.
AT THAT LOCATION IT WOULD BE OUTTA SIGHT.
PEOPLE WOULDN'T WALK THAT FAR TO SEE IT AFTER TOURING THE ALAMO AREA.
AND IT WOULD BE RIPE FOR TAGGERS AND VANDALS.
THE CURRENT LOCATION THE PLAN HAS IS MUCH BETTER AND THE RESTORATION AND LOCATION THERE WILL ENHANCE THE MEANING OF THE WHOLE PLAZA AND BATTLEFIELD.
THIS FOUR YEAR PROCESS HAS CULMINATED WITH MUCH GIVE AND TAKE WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE VOTING FOR IT IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.
THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE APPROVING IT IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
YOUR COMMITTEE AND PLANNING APPROVING IT IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
AND FINAL COUNCIL VOTE APPROVING IT IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
ALSO, I HOPE YOUR CONSIDERATION IS TO APPROVE THIS PHASE ONE SO WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT TO TRULY HONOR THE ALAMO UNDERWAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
DARWIN BODECKER FOLLOWED BY RICK BRISCOE.
IT'S ACTUALLY ECKER, BUT BODECKER IS OKAY.
MY NAME'S DARWIN ECKER AND I LIVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND I CAME DOWN HERE IN GOOD FAITH.
UH, I'M EMBARRASSED TO SAY THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY MY FIRST TIME ATTENDING ONE OF THESE, UH, MEETINGS AS A TEXAN.
I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS GOING ON A LONG TIME AGO.
AND AGAIN, I'M EMBARRASSED THAT I ONLY FOUND OUT AS OF TWO MONTHS AGO.
AND, UH, I F I FOUND MYSELF THIS MORNING SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE I'D RATHER DO THAN BE DOWN HERE THIS MORNING WITH THE GREAT HOPE THAT IT WAS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE YOU COME DOWN HERE AND ENOUGH PEOPLE SPEAK TO YOU AND IT SWAYS YOUR MIND.
I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY THOUGH, THAT THOSE DREAMS WERE SHATTERED THIS MORNING WHEN I WITNESSED Y'ALL THIS MORNING WITH TWO YOUNG LADIES.
THE BUILDING PERMITS OR WHATEVER THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING MAKE LEGITIMATE, BRING UP LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT PLANS AND DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THE PEOPLE BACK HERE IN THE NICE SUITS WERE ALL FOREGOING AHEAD.
THESE LADIES BROUGHT UP LEGITIMATE CONCERNS AS FAR AS A PERSON WOULD KNOW.
I MEAN, I WAS JUST SITTING THERE LISTENING.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
I HEARD ONE PERSON SAY, OKAY, LET'S MOTION TO MAKE SOME MONEY.
SOMEBODY SAID, I SECOND TO MAKE SOME MONEY.
THEY SAID, ALL THE PEOPLE WANNA MAKE SOME MONEY, SAY, AYE.
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WAS A BUNCH OF A AND THAT WAS IT ON TWO DIFFERENT PLANS.SO IT BREAKS MY HEART KNOWING THAT I CAME DOWN HERE AND EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE SENATE, IT'S GONNA FALL ON DEAF EARS ANYWAYS BECAUSE I FOUND THAT Y'ALL ALREADY MADE Y'ALL'S MIND UP ALREADY.
IT HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE NECESSARY PROCESSES.
SO PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF THAT ARE ASHAMED TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING NOW FINALLY FIND OUT AND IT'S TOO LATE.
AND NOTHING THAT I'VE SEEN HERE THIS MORNING GIVES ME HOPE THAT ANY ONE OF US ARE GONNA SWAY Y'ALL'S MIND ABOUT MAKING MONEY.
BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON THAT THING MOVES IS FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE SOME MONEY.
RICK BRISCOE, FOLLOWED BY MARK G E.
MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS, I APPEAR IN OPPOSITION TO THE PLAN.
ENTER THIS QUESTION FOR YOURSELF.
WHY ARE YOU CONSIDERING THIS PROPOSAL? THE ANSWER IS STRIKINGLY SIMPLE.
THE CITY AND THE G L O CANNOT PROCEED WITHOUT YOUR ASCENT.
THIS PLAN IS ILL CONSIDERED HALF BAKED PREMISED ON FALSE IDEAS AND DENIES PEOPLE ACCESS TO THE ALAMO.
I HAVE PERSONALLY ESCORTED JOURNALISTS FROM GERMANY TO JAPAN AND IN BETWEEN TO THE ALAMO AND TWO OF ONE, THEY WERE ENTHRALLED WITH THE ALAMO LEGEND.
THE IDEA THAT MEN STOOD AND FOUGHT TO THE DEATH RATHER THAN SURRENDER ARMS FOR LIBERTY IS SOMETHING THEY REVERE.
THE ALAMO IS KNOWN AS ONE OF THE TWO GREAT LAST STANDS IN HISTORY.
THE OTHER BEING THERMOP, WHERE KING LEONES TOLD THE PERSIANS, MO, COME AND TAKE THEM, COME AND TAKE THEIR ARMS. WELL MOVING THE CENO TOP.
AND IT IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL EXPENSES.
AND FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THERE'S BEEN NO ADEQUATE STUDY OF THE CONDITION.
THE CITY RECITES THAT IT'S IN POOR CONDITION.
WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE NEGLECTED THEIR DUTY.
THE CITY WAS SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN 15 SECONDS.
THAT'S NOT A VALID REASON TO MOVE IT.
NOW THERE ARE GOD BLESS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS.
THEY ALWAYS COME IN AND SHOW A LOT OF PLANS.
THAT'S TIME THAT ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH LOCAL NEEDS.
IS THERE A LAST NAME CHANGE? OKAY, MARK G IS FOLLOWED BY, UM, DAVE HECKERT.
I'M NEARS, SO I HAVE MY PHONE.
MY ISSUE WITH THE ALMO MASTER PLAN IS REMOVAL OF THE SYN HALF AND DISTURBING NATIVE AMERICAN BARREL GRANT.
THE COMPOUND REMAINS, THE THREE BODIES WERE DISCOVERED, A BABY AND AN ADULT DURING THANKSGIVING WEEK AND A TEENAGER DURING DECEMBER 3RD.
BUT MEDIA OUTLETS COVERED HIS STORY UNTIL DECEMBER 13TH.
ANYWHERE ELSE IN TEXAS, IF A CEMETERY IS ON EARTH, THEY CONTACT THE FAMILIES.
WHY AREN'T YOU GONNA DO THAT? THE ALAMO, PRESIDENT OF THE ALAMO DEFENDER'S DE DEFENSE, DEFENSE ASSOCIATION, LEE SPENCER, WHITE STATES AFTER BONE FRAGMENTS ARE UNEARTHED INSIDE THE ALAMO CHURCH AND LONG BARRACKS.
IN OCTOBER, 2019, PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD RECOGNIZED THAT ALAMO'S SIGNIFICANCE LIKE FIRST LADY MELANIA, GOD BLESS HER IN HER CLOTHES WHEN A MINI ALAMO WAS PLACED NEAR A GINGERBREAD WHITE HOUSE CELEBRATING US LANDMARKS.
WHAT CAN SHE OR THE WORLD RECOGNIZE WHEN THE MONUMENT DEDICATED TO THOSE FENDERS AND THE DEAD BURIED THERE? BE ENCROACHED UPON LIKE CHEAP REPLACING MUSIC PARTS RIDES.
WHAT WOMAN MELANIA IN THE WORLD SAY ABOUT THE SECRECY, MISINFORMATION AND DISORGANIZATION SURROUNDING TEXAS'S MOST ICONIC BATTLE SITE? THIS IS NOT DISNEYLAND.
THIS IS A SACRED BATTLEGROUND.
THEIR CORPSES BURNED THE SENATE HALF IS BUILT ON THAT BLOOD OF THE DEFENDERS AND A NATIVE AMERICAN BEAR GROUND SHOULD BE LEFT IN PEACE.
CROCKETT TRAVIS ESPARZA AMONG THE 180 TO 250 MORE MEN, THOUGH THEIR NUMBERS WERE SMALL, KNEW THAT THE CAUSE FOR LIBERTY WAS WORTH FIGHTING FOR AND THEY DEFENDED THAT
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CAUSE TO THE VERY END.AND NOW 183 YEARS LATER, IT IS TIME THAT WE DEFEND THEM.
DAVE HECKER, BROUGHT BY NATALIE NATHAN DAVE HECKERT, 1600 SOUTH LAKELINE BOULEVARD IN CEDAR PARK.
JUST IN CASE ANYBODY'S COMING UP FOR LUNCH.
UM, I'M HERE WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
I ONLY GOT HERE IN 2012, BUT IN 1975 I DID GET A COPY OF TRAVIS'S LETTER WHEN I VISITED THE ALAMO.
I'VE LOST FRIENDS OR COLLEAGUES IN EGYPT, PAKISTAN, IRAQ, KUWAIT, AND AFGHANISTAN.
AND I STILL CANNOT COMPREHEND HOW YOU'RE CONSIDERING MOVING A MEMORIAL ON TOP OF A CEMETERY WHERE MEN FOUGHT, LED, AND DIED.
TO ME, THAT JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
AS ONE GENTLEMAN ITERATED, UH, EARLY ON, EVERYBODY HERE, INCLUDING THE CITY GOVERNMENT, WORKS FOR THE CITIZENS.
AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT HAD YET HAD A FULL VOICE IN THE SAY OF THIS ISSUE, I RE REQUEST RESPECTFULLY THAT YOU DELAY ANY DECISION ON GRANTING THE CERTIFICATE OR MOVING THE SANTA AF UNTIL AFTER THE LITIGATION IS COMPLETE.
TO HONOR THE TEXANS WHO DIED, HONOR THE TEXANS LIVING AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.
NATALIE NATHAN, FOLLOWED BY, UM, RUSTY MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL OF US TODAY.
I LIVE AT 2 3 2 2 5 EAGLE GAP HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
FOR THE PAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, I'VE TRAVELED TO ABOUT 75 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES, STRIKES ME MOST ABOUT THIS ISSUE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO IS THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY.
IF I WERE IN EGYPT AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING THE PYRAMIDS FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF I WERE IN PARIS AND SOMEONE WHO'S TALKING ABOUT THE EIFFEL TOWER AND WELL, IT'S JUST NOT IN A GOOD LOCATION.
OR WE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SET SOME THINGS UP THERE TO MAKE IT MORE PROFITABLE.
DO YOU THINK ANY OF THE PARISIANS WOULD VOTE FOR THAT? NO.
A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE WORLD ARE DIVISIVE.
BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING, WHEN I TELL PEOPLE THAT I'M FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, THEY, THEY KNOW WHERE THAT IS OTHER THAN SAYING THEY KNOW WHERE THE SPURS ARE, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY, REALLY FANTASTIC.
THEY KNOW ABOUT THE RIVERWALK AND THEY KNOW ABOUT THE ALAMO.
AND THE THING ABOUT THE ALAMO FOR THEM AS A GENTLEMAN BACK HERE, EXPLAINED IT'S PART OF WORLD HISTORY, NOT JUST TEXAS HISTORY OR SAN ANTONIO HISTORY.
AND THAT'S THE THING THAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO REALLY REMEMBER THAT WE DON'T WANT IT, WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, IMPAIR OR CHANGE OR TAKE AWAY SOMETHING THAT IT'S A PART OF OUR HISTORY.
UM, RUSTY MAHAN, 6 41 BERRY VERDE, TEXAS.
BEEN IN SAN ANTONIO AREA SINCE 65.
SEVENTH GENERATION TEXAN HISTORY TEACHER.
UM, YOU GUYS ARE TEXANS AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND UP AND BE TEXANS REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S BEEN VOTED ON IN THE PAST.
YOU CAN DO WHAT THEY DID AT THE ALIMONY.
YOU CAN SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE STAYING HERE AND WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
THE UM, UM, TRUST IS A REAL ISSUE, GUYS.
UM, THE CONFEDERATE MONUMENT IN TRAVIS PARK SAT THERE FOR 118 YEARS AND DID NOBODY HARM.
UM, THE MEETINGS WERE CUT SHORT.
WE WERE, WE WERE DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A REASONABLE RESPONSE.
WE WERE NOT GIVEN THIS KIND OF A CHANCE TO STAND UP AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S HAVE AN HONEST LOOK AT THIS.
ROBERT ROBERTO TREVINO GAVE ME PERSONALLY TWICE THAT HE WOULD GUARANTEE THAT I WOULD BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH HIM AND HIS STAFF AND WHAT WOULD BE DONE HONORABLY WITH OUR CONFEDERATE MONUMENT.
INSTEAD IN, UH, THE DARKNESS OF KNIGHT, ALAMO CRANE CAME IN DISGUISED FORUM, LIFTED THE MONUMENT UP, BROKE THE RIFLE, PUT A HOLE IN THE SHAFT, JACK HAMMERED THE ARTIFACTS BOX, LEFT IT OUT TO GET RAINED ON.
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GONNA TRUST OUR CITY LEADERS TO DO RIGHT WITH THE ALAMO CINO PATH.THE MOST, THE MOST SACRED PIECE OF TEXAS HISTORY.
IF YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IT, IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO SAY WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT THE MONUMENT TO CREATE A BETTER BATTLEFIELD AND PUT PARK BENCHES AND TREES IN SERIOUSLY.
WHERE IS YOUR, WHERE IS THIS GOING? PARK BENCHES AND TREES.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT A MONUMENT OUT OF A BATTLEFIELD TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE 18 36, 15 SECONDS.
BUT WE'RE GONNA PUT PARK BENCHES AND TREES IN, IF YOU WANNA DO THIS RIGHT, TAKE OUT THE ARCHED WALL ON THE RIGHT OF THE CHAPEL.
BUILD THE SECOND STORY ON THE LONG BARRACKS, PUT THE PALISADES BACK UP, CLOSE DOWN ALAMO STREET, DOWN TO ONE LANE.
MAKE IT A UNIFORM SURFACE SO THAT IT CAN BE SEEN AS A MORE UNIFIED AREA.
UM, SO MICKEY KILLIAN, RAMON VASQUEZ.
JOSE, UH, MARCIA AND JESUS ES HAVE ALL YIELDED TIME TO ART MARTINEZ.
UM, SO TWO OF YOU CAN YIELD TIME TO ART MARTINEZ, AND THEN THE OTHERS CAN SPEAK.
WHO'S YIELDING TIME? THE FIRST TWO IS FINE.
MY NAME IS ART MARTINEZ AVADA.
I LIVE AT 7 3 1 9 VON ARMY ROAD IN VON ARMY, TEXAS.
UH, I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE TAPE, P L A M CALLED SECOND NATION, UH, THE SAN ANTONIO MISSION CEMETERY ASSOCIATION AND THE INDIVIDUAL LITIGANTS IN THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE, UH, GENERAL LAND OFFICE, THE ALAMO TRUST, UH, THE CITY AND, UH, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
UH, FOR CLARITY, UH, NO OTHER SPEAKER REPRESENTS THE TOP PILAM COAL NATION OR THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION, UH, BEFORE YOU TODAY.
UH, I WAS DESIGNATED TO BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, THE ISSUES BEFORE THE FEDERAL CORRIDOR ARE NUMEROUS.
UH, BUT I'LL NARROW MY COMMENTS TODAY.
ADDRESS ONLY THE ISSUES BEFORE YOU.
UH, SPECIFICALLY THE ISSUES OF REPOSITIONING THE SENATE TAF, THE STREET CLOSURES AND LANDSCAPING PROPOSALS.
THE FIR THE FIRST ISSUE OF IMMEDIATE CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT THE ALAMO COMPLEX IS A CEMETERY, UH, DESPITE THE DENIALS OF THE G L O AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CITY ATTORNEY, UH, WHO MADE THAT ABSURD PROPOSITION TO THIS TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, OVER 1000 ENTRIES EXIST IN THE BARREL RECORDS OF MISSION VALERO AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
AMONG THESE RECORDS IS A NOVEMBER 17TH, 1749 NOTATION OF THE BLESSING AND CONSECRATION OF A CATHOLIC CEMETERY ON THE SITE.
AT PRESENT, THERE ARE FOUR KNOWN CEMETERY LOCATIONS ON THE SITE, ESTABLISHED BY ARCHIVAL, ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL EVIDENCE.
THE FIRST IS NEAR AND UNDER THE FEDERAL BUILDING, WHERE OVER 30 BODIES WERE EXHUMED DURING ITS CONSTRUCTION, THEN ADJACENT TO THE LONG BARRACKS AND EXTENDING INTO THE PLAZA.
UH, THE THIRD IS, UH, IS THE CURRENT CHAPEL AND EXTENDING OUT TO ITS COURTYARD.
UH, THE REASON FOR THESE VARIOUS LOCATIONS, UH, IS THE USE OF TEMPORARY CHAPELS EARLY IN THE MISSION'S HISTORY.
AND LASTLY, THERE'S AN AREA, AN UNKNOWN AREA OUTSIDE THE WALLS OF THE MISSION, WHICH WAS OBSERVED FOR THE UNBAPTIZED, UH, AND IS NOTED IN THE MISSION RECORDS.
UH, IT'S MOST LIKELY SOUTH OF THE CHAPEL COURTYARD IN THE AREA NEAR WHERE THE SANITA RELOCATION IS BEING PROPOSED.
ADDITIONAL BURIALS ARE KNOWN ON THE SIDE, INCLUDING NUMEROUS UNRECORDED, UH, BURIALS, UH, IN THE 1828 CHOLERA EPIDEMIC.
OF COURSE, THE ALAMO DEFENDERS AND, AND OTHER REFERENCES WE FIND IN THE HISTORICAL RECORD.
IN 2005, THE CEMETERY WAS RECORDED IN THE BEXAR COUNTY CEMETERY SURVEY AS CEMETERY ID.
BX DASH C 2 99 CLEARLY EXISTS.
IT APPEARS ON THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION HISTORIC SITES, UH, AS AN AR UH, ARCHEOLOGY ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE ATLAS WITH THE SAME CEMETERY ID NUMBER, UH, IN THERE IT'S DEFINED AS OCCUPYING THE TOTALITY OF THE CURRENT ALAMO PLAZA.
UH, AND MEMBERS OF THE TOP PILAM COAL TECH NATION HAVE CONDUCTED TWO RE BURIALS THEMSELVES, ONE IN THE MISSION CHAPEL AND ANOTHER ADJACENT TO THE CROCKETT BUILDING.
JUST TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THE CHILD, WHEN THE, UH, REMAINS OF AN INDIAN CHILD WERE DISCOVERED, UH, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, IF YOU COULD SWITCH, UH, EXHIBITS, UH, HAS RECENTLY DEFINED THE BOUNDARY OF THE MISSION CEMETERY IN ITS DECLARATION OF DEDICATION DATED JUNE 21ST, 2019, AND RECORDED IN THE REAL PROPERTY RECORDS OF BEXAR COUNTY, TEXAS.
IF YOU'LL FLIP IT OVER, PLEASE, SIR.
ON THE BACK, UH, YOU'LL SEE A MAP OF THE CEMETERY AND IT'S THE, UH, IT'S THE LINE BASICALLY ING UH, ALAMO STREET AND GOING ALONG THE BACK OF THE ALAMO CHAPEL, UH, CROSS, UH, CROCKETT STREET AND HOUSTON STREET.
I'LL REMIND YOU THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 6 3 4 UNDER CEMETERIES SAYS THAT THE HISTORICAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION SHALL
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BE GOVERNED IN ITS RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN TEXAS STATE LAW FOR CEMETERIES EXCLUDING BURIAL PERMITS.AND THIS IS NOT IN REFERENCE TO ANY KIND OF BURIAL PERMIT.
AND TWO, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT MUST COMPLY WITH THE HEALTH, TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE REGARDING THE ARCHEOLOGICAL PROCEDURES FOR THE IMPACT TO REMOVAL OF AND TURD HUMAN REMAINS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE 7 7 1 0 1 0 TITLED, ABANDONED, UNKNOWN OR UNCERTAIN UNVERIFIED CEMETERIES STATES VERY CLEARLY THE OWNER OF PROPERTY ON WHICH AN UNKNOWN CEMETERY IS DISCOVERED, OR IN WHICH AN ABANDONED CEMETERY IS LOCATED MAY NOT CONSTRUCT IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY IN A MANNER IN WHICH WOULD DISTURB THE CEMETERY UNTIL THE HUMAN REMAINS INTERRED IN THE CEMETERY ARE REMOVED UNDER A WRITTEN ORDER ISSUED BY THE STATE REGISTER OR THE STATE REGISTER'S DESIGNEE UNDER SECTION SO-AND-SO, OR BY A COURT ORDER.
STAFF HAS MADE A FINDING THAT REPOSITIONING OF THE SENATE TAFT MAY OVERLAY THIS HISTORIC CEMETERY.
THE PROPOSED STREET CLOSERS CERTAINLY OVERLAY THE CEMETERY.
IN ADDITION, UH, THE PROPOSAL TO PLANT A HUNDRED TREES WILL AFFECT THE UNDERLYING CEMETERY ROOT BULBS OF AT LEAST FIVE FEET PER TREE.
THE, THE, THE, THE FUTURE ROOT SYSTEMS WILL IMP PENETRATE THE EXISTING CEMETERY.
AND AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS SAID SO ELOQUENTLY PLANTING TREES IN A PLAZA IS ANACHRONISTIC AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HISTORICAL PLAZA OF THE CEMETERY.
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? WE'RE ASKING THIS COMMISSION THAT THE APPLICANTS BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE A CEMETERY BOUNDARY DELINEATION STUDY AND AN ARCHIVAL ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AS WERE PERFORMED AT BOTH MILAM PARK AND SANTA ROSA HOSPITAL FOR THEIR UNKNOWN CEMETERIES.
IN THIS WAY, THE COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE BURIALS ARE AND WHERE CONSTRUCTION CAN, CAN BE P PERFORMED IN A MANNER PRESCRIBED BY LAW TO AVOID INTERFERING WITH THE CEMETERY.
ADDITIONALLY, THE TOP PTECH NATION AGREES WITH THE ALAMO DEFENDER DESCENDANT'S ASSOCIATION THAT THE SENATE HALF IS A ARY MONUMENT ERECTED IN THE HISTORIC MISSION VELO CEMETERY AND SHOULD BE LEFT UNMOLESTED AS SUCH.
NUMBER TWO, THE HUMAN REMAINS PROTOCOLS ADOPTED BY THE APPLICANT ON THIS PROJECT DO NOT CONFORM WITH THE CITY'S UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE OR STANDARD ARCHEOLOGICAL PRACTICE.
WE ASK THAT THE APPLICANTS BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE U D C IN PARTICULAR SECTION 1 0 6 OF THE HISTORICAL, UH, PRESERVATION ACT, WHICH REQUIRES LINEAL DESCENDANTS, UH, AND AFFILIATED GROUPS TO BE CONSULTING PARTIES ON THE PROJECT.
HAD THE MISSION INDIANS AND THE ALAMO DEFENDERS BEEN ALLOWED TO, THAT'S TIME TO PARTICIPATE.
WE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD BE IN THIS POSITION OR IN A FEDERAL LAWSUIT.
DO JOSE, MARCIA OR JESUS PAEZ WISH TO SPEAK.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME? SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO EMILY DOUGHERTY.
UM, MS. DOUGHERTY HAS A FEW PEOPLE SIGNED IN AS WELL.
I HAVE AMANDA ALVAREZ, DESTINY GALVEZ, BECKY SHERIDAN, CINDY HEALER, AND SKYLAR NEWMAN WHO HAVE SIGNED IN.
BUT I CAN ONLY GIVE TWO OF YOU.
DO ANY OF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN ADDITION TO EMILY? OKAY.
I LIVE AT ONE 20 CLAREMONT IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
I AM HERE TODAY TO, UM, OPPOSE ALAMO.
UM, PHASE ONE, UH, EVERYONE'S ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE SENATE TAF.
WE ALL KNOW HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE SENATE TAF.
I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS MORE OF A BUSINESS AND INCOME, UM, LOSS.
UM, LOOKING AT THE ROAD CLOSURES.
UM, I AM ALSO HERE REPRESENTING H R H AND YELLOW ROADS CARRIAGE COMPANIES.
I AM AN A CARRIAGE OPERATOR OF FOUR YEARS.
UM, OUR COMPANIES CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 20 CONTRACTORS.
WE'RE ALL INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS AS DRIVERS.
SO WE DO ACTUALLY ALL HAVE OUR OWN BUSINESS AS A CARRIAGE DRIVER.
IN ADDITION, THERE ARE A TOTAL OF FIVE CARRIAGE COMPANIES WITH APPROXIMATELY 50 DRIVERS.
I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS FROM THOSE COMPANIES AS I DON'T WORK FOR THEM.
UM, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 50 INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS WHO THIS IS THEIR SOLE JOB.
UM, THIS IS OUR BUSINESS AND WE WILL BE OUT
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OF A BUSINESS IF YOU CLOSE THESE STREETS.UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY, UM, CLOSING THESE STREETS IS TAKING AWAY 15 OF OUR 2015, UH, CARRIAGE PARKING SPOTS.
WE PARK, PEOPLE WALK UP TO US, THEY TAKE A RIDE.
UM, IF YOU TAKE AWAY 15 SPOTS, WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO DO BUSINESS.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS UP.
UM, 'CAUSE I NEEDED MY NOTES AS WELL.
SO, UM, I HAVE GONE TO A RECENT STREET CLOSURE MEETING.
UH, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING THE, THE STREETS EAST, CROCKETT, BONUM, BLUM.
UM, IN EARLY JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, UM, WHEN THOSE STREETS ARE CLOSED, THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW, UM, TRUCKS TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL LOADING ZONE ON ALAMO PLAZA.
SO THERE ARE TWO NORTHBOUND LANES CURRENTLY.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ONE OF THOSE NORTHBOUND LANES AND CLOSE IT.
SO PART OF IT WILL BE A COMMERCIAL LOADING ZONE.
THEY'RE GONNA GIVE ONE SPOT TO THE TOUR BUSES AND, UH, VIA IS GOING TO KEEP THEIR CURRENT BUS STOP ON ALAMO PLAZA.
IT'S LIKE RIGHT AFTER COMMERCE.
UM, THEY ARE GIVING THE HORSE CARRIAGES, UM, CROCKETT STREET AT NIGHT.
UM, THE REPLACEMENT, UH, PARKING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR US IS ROOM FOR SIX CARRIAGES.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER NINE GOING TO GO? UM, LET ME, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY, UM, ON THIS FIRST PICTURE.
THIS IS CARRIAGE PARKING, UM, ROOM FOR APPROXIMATELY SIX CARRIAGES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY LOST ON HOUSTON STREET DUE TO PREVIOUS, UM, PREVIOUS CHANGES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SIX SPOTS THAT NO ONE USES RIGHT NOW.
IT IS BIG ENOUGH FOR TOUR BUSES.
ABOUT FOUR TOUR BUSES CAN FIT THERE.
SO THIS SHOWS, UM, THIS IS EAST CROCKETT STREET.
THE PART WITH THE X USED TO BE OUR CARRIAGE LOADING ZONE, WHICH HAS BEEN REMOVED AND ONLY, UM, THE CONTRACTORS WHO ARE WORKING ON CONSTRUCTION AT THE ALAMO PLAZA CAN PARK THERE.
NOW, UH, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE THREE IS A BUS LOADING ZONE.
AND FOUR AND FIVE ARE, UH, COMMERCIAL LOADING ZONES.
WE'RE LOSING ALL THAT PARKING.
THIS IS A BLUM RIGHT AROUND THE MENGER WHERE THE STARBUCKS IS.
THIS IS ALSO CARRIAGE PARKING.
UM, THAT'S ROOM FOR ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN CARRIAGES.
SO, UM, NINE PEOPLE NOW DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PARK NOW.
UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT HISTORY OF CARRIAGES, THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND THE ALAMO SINCE WE STARTED.
38 YEARS AGO IS WHEN YELLOW ROSE CARRIAGE COMPANY WAS FOUNDED.
OUR CARRIAGES HAVE BEEN ALWAYS AT THE ALAMO.
PEOPLE COME, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE SINCE THEY WERE STATIONED IN THE ARMY IN THE SEVENTIES.
AND THEY COME TO THE ALAMO TO FIND THE CARRIAGES AND GO FOR A RIDE.
WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OH, THE CARRIAGES AREN'T HERE.
I GUESS WE DON'T GO FOR A RIDE.
YOU'RE PUTTING US OUT OF BUSINESS.
IN ADDITION, THE DOUBLE DECKER BUSES, THE HOTELS, THE RIPLEY'S AND OTHER SHOPS ALONG ALAMO PLAZA ARE ALL GOING TO BE OUT OF A BUSINESS.
THIS IS, THIS IS A BUSINESS ASPECT.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT SMALL BUSINESSES PROVIDING FOR FAMILIES, PROVIDING FOR CHILDREN.
YOU'RE PUTTING US OUTTA BUSINESS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, I HAVE TOLD OVER 100 RIDES.
I'VE TAKEN OVER A HUNDRED RIDES SINCE I'VE MET Y'ALL LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO.
ON DECEMBER 4TH, I HAVE MET PEOPLE FROM WESLACO, MACALLAN, AUSTIN HOUSTON, EL PASO COLLEGE STATION FROM EAST TEXAS, DALLAS, SAN ANTONIONS, A LOT OF THEM, UH, INDIANA, NORTH CAROLINA, PENNSYLVANIA, NEW JERSEY, MINNESOTA, COLORADO, AND FLORIDA.
I TELL THEM ABOUT THE PLAN FOR THE ALAMO.
I SAY, HEY, DO YOU GUYS WANNA HEAR WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO OVER HERE? AND I EXPLAIN TO THEM, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THE SENATE HALF.
THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE THE ROADS.
AND THEY GO, WHY DOES THE SENATE HALF HALF TO MOVE? AND I TELL THEM, I DON'T KNOW, HONEST TO GOODNESS, NO ONE HAS EVER WRITTEN IT DOWN, TOLD ME SPECIFICALLY WHY IT HAS TO MOVE 10 SECONDS.
AND SO WHY DOES IT HAVE TO MOVE? THEY'RE LIKE, WHY CAN'T WE LEAVE IT HERE? THEY SEE THE BEAUTY, THEY SEE THE REVERENCE.
AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS.
LET'S NOT CLOSE THE STREETS GUYS.
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LINDA JIMENEZ, FOLLOWED BY ANGIE AGUIRE.UH, I'M LINDA JIMENEZ, ESP LINDA JIMENEZ.
I'M HERE AS A MEMBER OF THE TAP LA NATION TRIBAL COUNCIL.
AND, UM, I WANTED TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THE ALAMO WAS A MISSION BEFORE IT WAS A FAMOUS BATTLEGROUND.
AND AS A MISSION, IT HAD BURIAL GROUNDS.
UH, PEOPLE WERE BURIED IN THE CHAPEL AND AROUND THE CHAPEL.
AS, AS MR. UH, MARTINEZ AVARA WAS TALKING A FEW MINUTES AGO.
AND IT'S, I WANNA REMIND ALSO PEOPLE THAT IT'S NOT AN INDIAN BURIAL GROUND.
UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED TO ME PERSONALLY THAT IT'S AN INDIAN BURIAL GROUND.
THERE ARE IN, THERE ARE NATIVE PEOPLE THAT ARE BURIED THERE, BUT EVERY PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE WERE BURIED THERE.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WERE, WHO WERE SPANIARDS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE WHO, WHO ARE BURIED THERE, WHO WERE FROM WHAT WOULD BECOME THE UNITED STATES MUCH LATER AFTER THE MISSION WAS, UH, ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE, AFTER THE MISSION WAS ESTABLISHED.
AND, UM, THERE WERE PEOPLE FROM MEXICO.
THERE WERE PEOPLE FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND SO IT'S NOT JUST AN INDIAN BURIAL GROUND.
WE WANNA, WE WANT TO PROTECT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE BURIED THERE REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY CAME FROM OR WHEREVER THEY WERE FROM.
AND ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A MISSION, MOST OF THE PEOPLE BURIED THERE CATHOLIC.
SO IT'S A CATHOLIC BURIAL GROUND.
IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, UNBAPTIZED PEOPLE OR ANYBODY WHO'S WHO'S, WHO WAS THERE AT THE TIME.
RIGHT? UM, OUR REPRESENTATIVE ON THE, ON THE, THE ALAMO COMMITTEE RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PLAN ALMOST FROM THE BEGINNING.
BUT OUR CONCERNS WERE NEVER, UH, ADDRESSED.
AND SO WE FOUND IT NECESSARY TO FILE SUIT BECAUSE THERE COULDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER RECOURSE.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO 15 SECONDS THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO.
AND SO, UNTIL AN, AN AN, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY IN THE DETERMINATION OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CEMETERY ARE DETERMINE THE, THE, UH, ATIVE SHOULD NOT BE MOVED AND NO OTHER ACTIVITIES REQUIRE REQUIRING EXCAVATION SHOULD PROCEED.
ANGIE AGUIRE, FOLLOWED BY KYLE BIMAN.
HI, I'M ANGIE AGUIRE AT 1108 11 800 BRA VIEW, UH, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, I'M A TEXAN.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, GIVE MY SUPPORT TO ALL MY, UH, TEXAN FRIENDS HERE, THE WUH HA UM, OPPOSING THE MOVING OF THE, UH, SAN HALF.
AND, UM, EXCUSE ME, 'CAUSE I HAVE A SORE THROAT.
BUT YOU ALL ARE MEMBERS, UH, 11 MEMBERS APPOINTED TO THE HISTORIC RENOVATION AND, AND DESIGN.
AND, UH, SO WE IMPLORE YOU JUST TO, TO LEAVE IT ALONE AND JUST, UH, DON'T MOVE IT.
JUST THE HIS DON'T BE A HISTORY ERASER BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE ON YOU.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE KNOWN AS THE, THE MEMBERS THAT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOVING THE SENATE, TAF AND FOR APPROVING THIS.
SO WE, UH, VOTERS, WE ARE ALL VOTERS.
SO WE'RE GONNA REMEMBER THIS AND JUST, UH, JUST LEAVE IT ALONE AND DON'T REMOVE THIS.
AND ALSO ABOUT, UH, ADDING THE, UM, NAMES TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, TO THE, UH, MEMO MEMORY OF THE OPPOSING SIDE.
IT'S LIKE ADDING A MONUMENT IN JAPAN FOR THE PEARL HARBOR, THE ONE THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BOMBING.
SO DON'T, DON'T DO THIS AND JUST IMPLORE YOU.
SO WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU IF YOU DECIDE TO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS STUPID, YOU KNOW, IDEA ABOUT MOVING THE SENATE.
KYLE BIERMAN, FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER LOPEZ.
UM, MR. PETERMAN RECEIVES FOUR MINUTES.
GEORGE RODRIGUEZ HAS YIELDED HIS TIME.
CAN I SEE MR. RODRIGUEZ'S HAND? THANK YOU.
UM, WE'LL HAVE TO GIVE YOU TWO MINUTES.
IS GEORGE RODRIGUEZ HERE? HE, HE JUST LEFT.
BUT, UH, AS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE, I JUST ASKED FOR GRACE TO GIVE ME THE FOUR MINUTES PLEASE.
UM, WHO HAS YIELDED THEIR TIME? GEORGE RODRIGUEZ.
GEORGE RODRIGUEZ IS NOT PRESENT.
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AND THIS WILL GO NEXT.LUKE MEYER HAS YIELDED HIS TIME.
THANK YOU, UM, CHAIRMAN AND UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING THIS TO, UH, BE HERE AGAIN IS AGAIN, MY NAME'S KYLE BEATERMAN.
I'M A STATE REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT 73.
SO I'VE SAT WHERE YOU ARE FOR MANY, MANY HEARINGS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.
UH, I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT HEARINGS YOU'LL EVER SIT BY.
'CAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS SPEAKING THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM.
AND SO IT'S NOT JUST ANOTHER BUILDING, IT'S NOT JUST AN APARTMENT OR ADDING A PORCH SOMEWHERE.
THIS IS THE ALAMO, THIS IS THE SANITA.
THE WHOLE REASON THAT WE HAVE TEXAS, THE WHOLE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE.
I WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT, UH, THE 86 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
WE KEEP HEARING HOW PEOPLE'S VOICES HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD.
WELL, I HAD A HEARING ON THE ALAMO PLAN.
I'M ON THE LAND OF RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND I'M A MEMBER.
OUR CHAIRMAN, TOM CRADOCK, UH, CALLED A HEARING TO LEARN ABOUT THE ALAMO PLAN SINCE WE OVERSEE THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE AGENCY.
SO OUR COMM, OUR CHAIRMAN ASKED FOR GEORGE P. BUSH AS WELL AS MAYOR NIERENBERG TO TESTIFY BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE AND LET US KNOW ABOUT THE ALAMO PLAN.
DO YOU THINK EITHER ONE OF THEM SHOWED UP? OF COURSE NOT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WE'RE, THE STATE OF TEXAS WE'RE THE COMMITTEE THAT OVERSEES EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE ALAMO, AND YET WE CANNOT GET THE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING THE FINAL DECISIONS TO EVEN COME AND TESTIFY.
AND LET US ASK THEM QUESTIONS.
SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SENT SOMEBODY ELSE.
THEY SENT, UH, SHARON MILLER, WHO WAS THE DIRECTOR OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR 10 YEARS.
GUTLESS SHARON CAME GREAT WOMAN.
SHE COULDN'T ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE SHE'S SO FILLED LIKE MOST EVERYONE ELSE WITH THE ALAMO PLAN AND ALL THEIR TERMINOLOGY AND ALL THEIR FANCY WORDS.
AND WE HAD TO APOLOGIZE TO HER AFTER AN HOUR.
SHE COULDN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE HEARING TODAY, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE HEARING TODAY.
SHE COULDN'T ANSWER A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
OF COURSE, GEORGE P. BUSH WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T SHOW UP.
LACK OF TRANSPARENCY BY OUR CITY OFFICIALS AND OUR STATE OFFICIALS AND LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND DECEPTION ABOUT WHAT THIS PLAN IS BECAUSE THE PLAN IS NOT EVEN COMPLETE.
AND YET IT'S SIGNED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS OBLIGATED FOR 50 YEARS TO A LEASE WITH, WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND YET THEY DON'T EVEN AGREE ON WHAT THE PLAN SAYS BECAUSE I ASKED TO HAVE BOTH OF THEM IN THE SAME ROOM TO TELL US ABOUT THE PLAN.
UM, I SENT THIS LETTER TO, UM, GOVERNOR ABBOTT LAST WEEK.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING SO MUCH FRUSTRATION TO THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS.
WE ASK AND WE'RE WE'RE JUST GRATEFUL THAT YOU ALL LISTENING THE FIRST TIME WE'VE GOTTEN A CHANCE TO REALLY TALK TO PEOPLE.
I JUST ASKED YOU JUST A TABLE FOR A LITTLE LONGER WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY.
HOW MANY BUILDINGS OR MONUMENTS OF THIS SIZE HAVE YOU EVER AGREED TO MOVE 500 FEET? JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN THE WAY.
HOW MANY SECONDS? I DON'T THINK YOU'VE EVER DONE THIS BEFORE.
AND YET THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO RIGHT NOW WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING THE COST.
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE COST IS.
WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE COST FOR A LONG TIME.
THIS IS OWNED BY THE CITIZENS OF TEXAS, THE CITY CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE TAXPAYERS.
IT'S NOT OWNED BY YOU, IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE CITY.
AND SO WE JUST ASK THAT YOU LISTEN TO US PLEASE.
UP NEXT IS ACTUALLY RAYMOND HERNANDEZ.
UM, JENNIFER LOPEZ AND EMMA DIAZ HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME.
CAN I SEE YOUR HANDS? THANK YOU.
TODAY, UH, I'M RAYMOND HERNANDEZ.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU, WHERE HAVE Y'ALL BEEN THE LAST 35 YEARS? I SERVED IN THE ALAMO PLAZA STUDY COMMITTEE IN 1994 IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE BURIALS.
AND THE CONCLUSION AFTER ALL OF THESE MEETINGS WAS
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FOLLOW THE LAW AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND ESTABLISH, AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE WERE CEMETERIES DURING THAT PROCESS WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE D R T.THEY WANTED TO DO A RENOVATION.
AND I FOUGHT AGAINST IT BECAUSE I SAID, YOU'RE GONNA FIND BURIALS THERE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROTOCOL.
BE THE, UH, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION.
I'VE ALWAYS SAID IT'S A CEMETERY.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS GOING BACK TO THE 1920S WHEN THE W P A WAS GOING OUT THERE, MOVING AND PUTTING UTILITIES ARE RUNNING AND DESTROYING ALL THESE REMAINS.
NOBODY CAN SAY WHERE THEY WERE PUT, BUT THOSE WERE 1300 BURIALS NAMES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BURIED THERE.
I PERSONALLY HAVE GRANDPARENTS THERE.
I AM A DIRECT LINEAL DESCENDANT.
NOW YOU GO BACK 10 GENERATIONS, YOU DESCEND FROM 1,024 PEOPLE IT TAKES TO MAKE YOU, THAT'S A GIVEN MATHEMATICAL EQUATION THAT'S DEAD ON.
SO I GOT UNCLES, AUNTS, COUSINS THAT ARE BURIED THERE.
EARLIEST ONES WERE IN 1725, DETE GURA AND HIS WIFE THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO IT IS PERSONAL TO ME, NOT BECAUSE I JUST FOUND THAT OUT IN THE 1950S.
NOW YOU'D THINK, WHAT WERE YOU DOING IN THE 1950S? MY GRANDFATHER ANASTASIO THAT WAS BAPTIZED AT SAN FERNANDO CATHEDRAL IN 19, IN 1876, WOULD TAKE ME IN THE FIFTIES WHEN I WAS YOUNG CHILD TO THE ALAMO, TO THE SANTA ROSA MILAM PARK AND TELL US ABOUT THE DESECRATIONS THAT HE WITNESSED DURING HIS LIFETIME BECAUSE THEY BUILT A HOSPITAL OVER THOSE BURIAL GROUNDS WHERE OUR FAMILIES ARE BURIED ALSO.
THEY ALSO DID IT OVER HERE AT THE ALAMO.
NOT ONLY THERE, BUT ALSO IN, WHEN I WAS IN VIETNAM IN 67 AT SOME, AT UH, SAN JUAN, SAN JUAN MISSION.
I AM THE CULTURAL PRESERVATIONIST FOR THE PILAM NATION.
FOR THE LAST 35 YEARS, I HAVE GONE AND REPATRIATED OVER 200 OF OUR ANCESTORS THAT WE HAVE FOUGHT TO GET 'EM BACK AND PUT 'EM BACK AT THE MISSIONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY BELONG.
IT IS MY GRANDDAUGHTER'S LEGACY.
SHE WASN'T EVEN BORN WHEN I STARTED THIS STRUGGLE WITH THE FAMILIES.
SHE'S BEEN RAISED AND GOING TO THE ALAMO DURING OUR ANNIVERSARY WHEN IN 1995, WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE D R T, THAT IF THEY FOUND HUMAN REMAINS, THAT INSTEAD OF BEING OUTSIDE OF THE MISSIONS WHEN I WAS GOING TO HONOR OUR ANCESTORS WITH MY GRANDFATHER, IN THE FIFTIES, WE WOULD BE ALLOWED WHEREVER THAT BURIAL WAS FOUND.
WELL, THEY FOUND ONE INSIDE THE ALAMO, THE CHAPEL MISSION,
AND FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO GO OUT THERE AND PAY OUR RESPECT WITH OUR KIDS AND OUR GRANDKIDS.
WE GOT THREE GENERATIONS BEHIND ME THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED THERE IN THOSE THINGS.
AND THIS YEAR, BECAUSE OF US NOT WANTING TO BE GOOD LITTLE INDIANS AND PLAY ALONG WITH THEM, AND WE CHALLENGE THEM TO FOLLOW THE LAW, JUST FOLLOW THE LAW AND PROTECT THE CEMETERIES, BECAUSE IT IS OUR GRANDKIDS LEGACY.
AND I MAKE NO APOLOGIES ON HOW WE EVOLVED AS INDIANS.
WE'RE STILL HERE WITH THE LIVING DESCENDANTS.
BUT WE DO LIKE TO EDUCATE AND TEACH PEOPLE THE HISTORY OF TEXAS.
THERE'S 128 YEARS OF HISTORY BEFORE THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO.
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT HAD WE, OUR FAMILY'S NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A BATTLE OF THE ALAMO.
THERE WAS A LOT OF OTHER BATTLES PRECEDING THAT.
WE EVEN HAVE FAMILIES THAT, THAT ARE KNOWN AS SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION UNDER, UH, VE YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF HISTORY THAT SAN ANTONIO HAS.
AND THOSE CEMETERIES ARE IMPORTANT, AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN DESTROYED.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE POST OFFICE HAS BEEN BUILT OVER SOME OF THE CEMETERIES.
I UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT ASKING TO REMO TEAR DOWN THOSE BUILDINGS AND PRESERVE THEM, BUT WE'RE SAYING BE CAREFUL AND PRESERVE WHAT'S THERE.
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IT'S TEXAS HISTORY.IT IS SOME OF OUR FAMILY'S LEGACY AND OUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS COUNTRY, TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, TO THE MAKING OF TEXAS, WHERE I BELIEVE THAT TEXAS IS WHAT IT IS TODAY BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE AT THE ALAMO AND WHAT OUR FAMILIES DID PRIOR TO THAT.
15 SECONDS SERVICE, 15 SECONDS.
GOING BACK TO FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MY OR MY FAMILIES, I DIS DESCEND FROM FAMILIES THAT HAVE SERVED IN THE MILITARY, WHETHER IT WAS UNDER SPAIN, WHETHER IT WAS WITH THE TEXAN ENOS, THE CIVIL WAR, WORLD WAR I, WORLD WAR II, MYSELF, A VIETNAM VETERAN, MY DAUGHTER, A THAT'S TIME.
A DESERT STORM, AND MY SON AN IRAQ VETERAN.
AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, COME ON.
THIS IS NOT THE WAY YOU TREAT FAMILIES OF HISTORICAL, ESPECIALLY AS CHRISTIANS, AS A CATHOLIC CEMETERY.
THAT YOU JUST GO IN THERE AND DESTROY THESE THINGS WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION.
HAVE ANY OF Y'ALL WERE DESCENDANTS? I GUARANTEE YOU'D BE STANDING RIGHT HERE ARGUING THE SAME POINT.
BOB TOME, FOLLOWED BY JACK M FINGER.
I DID NOT HAVE ANY NOTES OR I WASN'T PREPARED TO SPEAK.
I, I'VE BEEN GUILTY THAT I HAVEN'T COME TO ANY OF THE SESSIONS UNTIL NOW.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING MY FAMILY AND MY PARTNER'S FAMILY.
MY PARTNER LOST HIS FOURTH GREAT-GRANDFATHER AT THE ALAMO.
I'M A 10TH GENERATION TEXAN, AND MY FAMILY GOT HERE A HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO.
I HAD FIVE FOURTH GENERATION GRANDFATHERS IN SAN ANTONIO DURING THE BATTLE.
NONE OF THEM GOT KILLED, THANK GOD.
NONE OF THEM DIED AT THE ALAMO.
BUT THEY FOUGHT IN THE CHRISTMAS BATTLE.
BEN MILAM DIED IN ONE OF MY GRANDFATHER'S ARMS. THEY FOUGHT AT THE GRASS WAR, AND TWO OF 'EM FOUGHT AT SAN JACINTO.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ASK, I DON'T KNOW Y'ALL AT ALL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU WERE BORN HERE, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU WERE BORN, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR GRANDPARENTS OR GREAT-GRANDPARENTS WERE BORN EITHER.
I KNOW WHERE MY GREAT-GREAT-GREAT, GREAT-GREAT-GREAT-GREAT GRANDPARENTS WERE BURIED.
AND I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN IT'S VERY PERSONAL.
WE HAVE A, A LANDMAN, THE GENTLEMAN IN AUSTIN, MR. BUSH.
AND I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THE BUSH FOLKS WERE OKAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT TEXANS.
THEY CAME HERE IN THE FIFTIES.
AND I KNOW THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR GREAT-GREAT-GREAT GRANDPARENTS ARE BORN, ARE BURIED.
AND IF YOUR, WHEN YOUR GREAT-GRANDPARENTS ARE WHERE YOUR FIFTH GREAT-GRANDPARENTS ARE, IF YOU GO TO THE CEMETERY WHERE THEY LIVE, WHERE THEY WERE, AND SEE THAT GRAVE DESECRATED, 15 SECONDS, SEE IT KNOCKED DOWN.
SO PLEASE DON'T DESTROY THE ONLY HEADSTONE WE HAVE FOR THE PARTS OF OUR FAMILIES AND, AND NEIGHBORS WHO DIED AND WERE BURNED BY A DICTATOR AND LEFT TO ROT AND EAT BY THE CROWS.
AND WE FINALLY BUILT A, A HEADSTONE.
AND Y'ALL WANNA MOVE IT BECAUSE SOME ARCHITECTS AND SOME PLANNING ENGINEERS, THAT'S FINE.
HAVE A REAL GOOD IDEA OF THAT.
THE LIGHT'S GONNA BE BETTER OVER THERE.
NO, THE FUNERAL PILE IS RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT STONE IS THERE.
THAT JACK AND FINGER FOLLOWED BY BILL BRINDLE, MR. CHAIR AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE COMMISSION.
YOU SAY, YOU SAY THAT THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE LAST YEAR, A WHOLE YEAR AGO.
CITY COUNCIL SAID THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE.
YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THIS.
OF COURSE, YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THIS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
I'M ALSO, I LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE, WHICH ENCOMPASSES THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
I BELIEVE YOU REPRESENT THAT AREA.
YOU CAN TELL THE CITY COUNCIL, MAKE A MOTION TODAY.
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A BIG MISTAKE HAS BEEN MADE.YOU CAN TELL HIM THAT MR. TREVINO SITTING RIGHT HERE.
THE DISTRICT ONE REPRESENTATIVE.
I TELL, TELL MR. VINNO THESE THINGS EVERY WEEK AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING PUBLICLY.
IT CAN BE DONE RIGHT, MR. TREVINO? YES.
TELL 'EM A BIG MISTAKE HAS BEEN MADE.
WHY? BECAUSE THE, THE RED FLAGS ARE NUMEROUS ON THIS STUFF.
THE, THE GRAVEYARD, THE LAWSUITS FOR IT, JUST TO NAME THE, THE ONE, YOU KNOW, THE DANGERS OF DISMANTLING THE SENATE TAF JUST WHERE IT IS, BUT THE ENORMOUS EXTRA DANGERS BEING PLA PLACING IT ELSEWHERE.
YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW, HOW THAT IS GOING TO MAKE IT PERHAPS DESTROY THE WHOLE THING.
YOU KNOW, YOU AND THE DESIGN OF THE THING.
YOU SEE WHERE IT'S GONNA BE PLACED.
YOU DON'T EVEN REALLY KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA BE PLACED.
I LOOKED AT THE, THE, THE ILLUSTRATIONS.
YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE ALAMO WHERE YOU'RE PLANNING ON PLACING IT.
WHY ARE YOU REMOVING ALAMO? STREET VISITORS ARE IMPRESSED BY THE FACT THAT THEY CAN SEE IT FROM THEIR CARS, AND THEN THEY CAN.
BILL BRI, FOLLOWED BY RAY HOWARD.
UM, I AM, UH, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I REPRESENT DISTRICT NINE, JOHN COURAGES DISTRICT, AND I'VE SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
UH, I ALSO REPRESENT AS A GENERAL MANAGER, UH, THE CROCKETT AND THE MANGER HOTELS WHO HAVE, UH, BEEN LOCATED BASICALLY ON THE PLAZA FOR A COMBINED 270 YEARS.
AND, AND WE OPERATE BUSINESSES THERE TO THIS DAY.
UH, THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WAS APPOINTED TO, UH, FROM PEOPLE ALL ACROSS THE CITY.
SO THERE HAS BEEN A VOICE OF PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO.
UH, AND WE HELP CREATE THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT STILL REMAIN TODAY.
AND DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE WITH THE ALAMO PLAN.
UH, THERE WERE MANY REASONS THAT I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE ALAMO PLAN, AS DID VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, IN 2018.
AND I RE REMAIN IN FAVOR OF PHASE ONE OF THE PLAN AS IT IS TODAY.
UH, I WILL CONTINUE TO BE A VOICE, UH, OF CARE, CONCERN AND COMPROMISE AS THE COMMITTEE CONTINUES TO HEAR DETAILS OF THE PLAN AS IT PROGRESSES.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT'S, IT WILL BE IMPORTANT AS THE PLAN GOES ALONG.
IT STILL HAS MANY PHASES TO STILL TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
RAY HOWARD, FOLLOWED BY SARAH REVELRY.
THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME TO SPEAK HERE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT, BUT I DO HAVE THIS, I HAVE A HEART.
I HAVE THAT GOD TOLD ME TO BE HERE.
I JUST FOUND OUT REALLY, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS NOT TOO LONG AGO.
AND IT BREAKS MY HEART AND IT'S BREAKING GOD'S HEART.
THIS IS, THIS IS HALLOWED GROUND.
THERE'S CEMETERIES, THERE'S THE PEOPLE THAT DIED THERE.
WE'RE REPRESENTING THE ONES THAT FOUGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF TEXAS.
OKAY? THEIR, THEIR HONOR, THEIR SACRIFICE IS ON US.
I WAS BORN THE NEXT STATE OVER IN NEW MEXICO.
MY WHOLE, ALL MY FAMILY IS FROM TEXAS, SO I'M SORT OF LIKE A BASTARD CHILD, EXCUSE ME.
BUT IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO GET HERE.
ANYHOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A SPIRITUAL BATTLE.
OUR WHOLE COUNTRY IS IN THIS TURMOIL BEING DIVI DIVISION.
AND GOD DOESN'T WANT THIS AT ALL.
I MEAN, REALLY, THIS IS ALL ABOUT EDUCATION.
WE'RE ALREADY IN THE POINT RIGHT NOW THAT OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT HISTORY.
YOU'RE TRYING TO ERASE HISTORY.
THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
LOOK, LIKE I SAID, I WAS RAISED IN THE MILITARY ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I'VE BEEN TO BATTLEGROUNDS ALL SECONDS OVER, OVER THE WORLD.
DON'T TURN THIS INTO A THEME PARK OR WHATEVER THE ULTIMATE PLAN IS TO BE.
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IS HALLOWED GROUND.IT'S SARAH REELY, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I'M A SIXTH GENERATION GERMAN TEXAN, A DAUGHTER OF THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS, AND A VOLUNTEER FOR THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION TO DOCUMENT THE TEXAS CENTENNIAL.
SO I CONSIDER MYSELF QUITE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF, OF THE FACTS.
I JUST WANT TO TELL Y'ALL ONE THING.
I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL PLAN.
I HOPE Y'ALL GO AHEAD WITH IT.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT I'VE HEARD HERE FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, BUT SOME OF THE DETAILS ARE WRONG.
AND I, I WOULD HOPE THAT, THAT THEY ARE TURNING IN A NARRATIVE TO YOU THAT, THAT, THAT I COULD GO THROUGH AND JUST CORRECT A FEW DETAILS.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO IF YOU WOULD JUST LET HER SPEAK.
I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE GETTING SOME MISINFORMATION.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF PASSION.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS, BUT I'M PASSIONATE ENOUGH ABOUT THE ALAMO.
I WAS THE LADY THAT 10 YEARS AGO FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT THE MISMANAGEMENT AND THE LACK OF PRESERVATION OF THE ALAMO.
BUT, UH, I, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY, THAT I, I THINK THERE'S SOME MISINFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED, BUT I HOPE YOU GUYS GO AHEAD.
I'M VERY PROUD OF Y'ALL BEING HERE.
I'D NEVER WANNA SIT ON THAT BOARD.
OKAY, EVERYONE, PLEASE CALM DOWN.
THAT IS ALL THE SPEAKERS WE HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME BACK UP? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO, UM, ADD OR COMMENT ON, UH, COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY BY, UH, THE PUBLIC THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS.
THERE WERE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO OFFER SOME POINTS OF CLARIFICATION.
NOT NECESSARILY REBUTTAL IN, IN ANY WAY, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I DIDN'T, DIDN'T POTENTIALLY TOUCH ON.
UM, TALKS ABOUT THE LOCATION CHOSEN.
THERE WAS A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, LOCATION'S NOT EVEN DETERMINED YET.
THE MATERIAL YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, DISTINCTLY, UH, REPRESENTS THE SINGLE LOCATION THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE, FOR THE
LIKEWISE, UH, THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES SURVEY IS DONE.
UH, SO WE ARE WORKING AROUND THE EXEC LOCATION OF THOSE SURVEYS.
AND, UH, CURRENTLY BEING ALL THE CIVIL U ALL THE CIVIL DESIGN THAT'S GOING ON IS, IS BASED ON EXISTING AND CURRENT SURVEYS.
UH, THE GEOTECH HAS BEEN ORDERED, UH, HAS BEEN RECEIVED AND IS BEING USED FOR THE NEW FOUNDATION, UH, MATERIAL THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGNED FOR THE NEW
THE T H C PERMIT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND THERE IS A HUMAN RAIN REMAINS PROTOCOL PROTOCOL IN PLACE WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, SO THAT, THOSE CAME IN, UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE WE DID SPOKE IN, IN DETAIL TO THOSE, UH, DURING THE ORIGINAL PIECE OF THE PRESENTATION.
UH, A A COUPLE ITEMS ON THE, ON THE RESTORATION.
WE TALKED TWO WEEKS AGO, WE TALKED IN DETAIL ABOUT RESTORATION PRACTICES, UH, WHEN THERE WERE A COUPLE ITEMS, I THINK YOU STILL HAVE THE COPY OF THE, OF THE FULL PRESENTATION FROM TWO WEEKS AGO.
TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGN FOR THE NEW SUBSTRUCTURE, UH, THE REASON FOR IT CONCRETE, THE CONCRETE MIXED DESIGN.
SO ALL THAT DETAIL, I, I WON'T GO IN THROUGH AGAIN, BUT JUST A REMINDER, YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN PRESENTED THAT IN THE PAST.
YOU HAVE DETAIL THERE AS WELL.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE RESTORATION PRACTICES, UH, AND THE INTENT OF REMOVING PIECE BY PIECE AND BEING ABLE TO DO THE RESTORATION ALL ON SITE.
THEN NONE OF THE PIECES WILL BE REMOVED AND TAKEN ANYWHERE OFFSITE THAT THE RESTORATION IS INTENDED TO BE ON SITE AND IN PUBLIC.
UM, JUST AGAIN, WANTED TO REMIND YOU OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, FINALLY, THERE WAS, UM, A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT ORIENTATION.
AND AGAIN, A REMINDER, WE DID SPEAK TO IT HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO DURING THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, BUT WE DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AND DO UNDERSTAND KAINE'S DESIGN INTENT, THE, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT EACH ONE OF THE SCULPTURES AND THE ORIENTATION OF THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE ORIENTATION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS
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SCULPTURE THAT'S ON THE BACKSIDE, WHICH ORIGINALLY DONE TO FACE THE FEDERAL BUILDING, UH, A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO, AS WE DISCUSSED TWO WEEKS AGO, A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THE ORIENTATION, NOT ONLY FROM A SITE DESIGN ASPECT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND THE SYNTA IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT IN THE BATTLEGROUND AND THE CHURCH.THAT WAS ONE REASON THAT WE DISCUSSED TWO WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE CHOICE OF THE ORIENTATION, BUT ALSO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE.
SCULPTURE TO FACE THAT BATTLEGROUND RATHER THAN AWAY FROM THE BATTLEGROUND WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS FOR THAT, UH, FOR THAT SWITCH IN ORIENTATION.
JUST AGAIN, WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT PIECE.
UM, FINALLY AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THE FULL PRESENTATION.
I THINK IT WAS 50 PLUS SLIDES.
WE ONLY TOOK EXCERPTS FROM IT.
IF ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT COME UP, WE NEED TO REFER BACK TO IT, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK EVERYONE WHO HAS COME HERE TODAY TO SPEAK PRO AND CON.
UM, THE COMMISSION DOES TAKE EVERYONE'S, UH, COMMENTS INTO, UH, INTO HEART.
UM, AND NOW WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION.
UM, I HAVE, UH, ONE QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE PLAN FOR THE INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS.
IS THERE A TIMELINE ON WHEN THOSE ELEMENTS WILL BE DEVELOPED OR WHEN, UH, THAT MIGHT RETURN TO THE COMMISSION? THE CONTENT? UH, THE INTENT WOULD BE TO RETURN IT TO THE COMMISSION FROM A DETAILED STANDPOINT.
THE, THE CONTENT WE FEEL IS, IS A GOOD DIRECTION UNDER DEVELOPMENT OVER THE DESIGN, EXACT DESIGN OF THE PANELS AND THE HEIGHT, ET CETERA, AND THE EXACT, UH, MATERIALS, ET CETERA.
UM, NO, I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE TO GIVE YOU.
WE KNOW THAT THE PLAN IS INTENT TO FINISH BY THE END OF 2020.
AND SO WHEN YOU START TO BACK THAT OFF, UH, WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO LEAVE TIME FOR FABRICATION AND, AND DESIGN DETAIL.
SO I WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE A HANDFUL OF MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH FABRICATION.
SO THE DESIGN DETAILS WILL BE DONE CERTAINLY BEFORE THAT, IF THAT HELPS.
THOSE, I KNOW THAT'S A GENERAL ANSWER, BUT THAT IS THE INTENT.
WELL, I, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS FOR US.
UM, I WAS HERE A YEAR AGO WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE MASTER PLAN AND THE FINAL APPROVAL ON THE RELOCATION TO THIS AREA FOR THE SENATE.
I SUPPORTED THE PROJECT STRONGLY, THEN I SUPPORTED TODAY.
UM, I THINK THE ROTATION TOOK ME A DAY OR TWO TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BEST, UH, RELATIONSHIP AS IT, UH, RELATES TO THE ALAMO, THE CHURCH AND ITS POSITION IN THE PLAZA.
AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS OF IT.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PASSION AND INTEREST ON THE ISSUE.
UM, BUT I MOVE FOR APPROVAL PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF ALL REQUEST ITEMS AS SUBMITTED.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION MR. VELASQUEZ? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE, UH, A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT WHILE THEY, THEY ARE RELATED O O ONLY IN, IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT ARE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT ARE BASED ON, UM, AS, AS MUCH KNOWLEDGE AS YOU CAN GET FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORAL TRADITIONS IN SAN ANTONIO WITH RESPECT TO, UM, TEXAS HISTORY.
IT'S REALLY HARD SUBJECT TO TO, TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, BUT, UM, RELATED TO THE ACTUAL, THE APPLICATION BEFORE US, I ASKED STAFF A QUESTION AT THE LAST, UH, SESSION THAT THEY DIDN'T ANSWER.
AND I ASKED THE QUESTION A FEW TIMES AND, AND TO ME, IT'S, IT'S THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE APPLICATION AS TO WHY STAFF INCLUDED THE TERM CEMETERY IN THE 2019 APPLICATION, BUT THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE 2018 APPLICATION.
NOW, THE REASON BEING, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH, IT'S SUCH A HIGH PROFILE, UM, UH, ISSUE APPLICATION THAT WE WANNA BE CORRECT ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DOT OUR I'S AND CROSS OUR T'S.
UM, THE MENTION OF THE TERM CEMETERY IMPLICATES OTHER THINGS.
IT'S NOT EASY ENOUGH JUST TO SAY CEMETERY.
UH, THE, THE, UH, O H P BY THE UD C IS REQUIRED TO TELL US WHAT KIND OF CEMETERY THAT IS.
I RESPECT THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE COMMISSION HERE.
UM, ALSO UNDERSTANDING THROUGH THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE, HOW DIFFICULT IT IS, UH, UH, I DON'T WANNA HOLD IT TO, TO THE COMMISSIONS, UH, AREA OF EXPERTISE OR RESPONSIBILITIES TO TELL US, UH, TO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT THERE'S, TO KNOW.
UH, AND, AND BEING FAIRLY NEW TO THE COMMISSION, IT'S, IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE, UNDERSTANDING HOW THINGS WORK, PARTICULARLY RESPECT TO ALL THE OTHER CASES THAT WE GET.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE ARGUMENTS WE'VE HAD OVER WOOD WINDOWS AND VERSUS THINGS, IT'S BEEN HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND.
BUT WHAT I HAVE, UH, UH, COME TO THE CONCLUSION IS THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION
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IS BASED ON FINDINGS.AND THE RECOMMENDATION THEN SUPPORTS, UH, STAFF'S OPINION.
THAT REALLY DOES WEIGH HEAVILY ON, ON, ON OUR, UH, DECISION MAKING PROCESSES, BECAUSE THEN THAT MEANS THAT STAFF HAS DONE THEIR HOMEWORK AND THAT WE CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE DELIBERATING PROPERLY.
BUT IN THIS SITUATION, STAFF, UH, HAS ITS, UM, ITS FINDINGS AND, AND THEY JUST VERY QUICKLY SAY CEMETERY.
AND THE U D C WOULD SAY OR SAYS THAT THE LEADER, THE, THE OFFICER OF O H P, UH, WHICH I IMAGINE IS THE, IS THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER IS REQUIRED TO TELL US WHAT KIND OF CEMETERY IT IS.
IT'S NOT PROPER FOR US TO DECIDE WHERE THE TERM CEMETERY HAS BEEN MADE IN THE FINDINGS UNLESS THE, UM, THE CEMETERY HAS BEEN DEFINED.
UH, I MADE SOME NOTES BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO JUST SAY OFF, YOU KNOW, THE MEMORY HERE.
SO, PRIOR TO INDIVI INDIVIDUALLY ADDRESSING ITEMS 1, 2, 3 OF THE APPLICANT'S 2019 REQUEST, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LAST YEAR'S CASE AND THIS YEAR'S CASE.
IN CONSIDERING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO APPLICATIONS, THE QUESTIONABLE INCONSISTENCY EXISTS IN THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION'S POSTED FINDINGS.
THE H D R C STAFF FINDINGS DO NOT MENTION CEMETERY, WHEREAS IN, IN 18, WHEREAS IN 19, THEY DO, AND THEY CLEARLY, THEY, THEY CLEARLY MENTIONED THAT THEY DISCOVER THE EXISTENCE OF A CEMETERY IN FINDINGS, WHICH IS F THIS IS WHAT THE FINDINGS SAY.
THE, THE SUBMITTED PHASE ONE LIMIT OF WORK OVERLAPS THE BOUNDARY OF THE CEMETERY ON THE GROUNDS OF THE ALAMO.
THAT'S OUT OF THIS APPLICATION, WHICH TO ME, ALTERS THE CRITERIA FOR CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED FOR CONCEPTUAL PROVEN APPROVAL.
BUT THAT ARE NOW BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS.
FURTHER, THE U D C SECTION 35 DASH 6 34, A CEMETERY STATES ALL APPLICANTS FOR PERMITS, EXCLUDING BURIAL PERMITS AFFECTING CEMETERIES, SHALL BE REFERRED TO THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THE CEMETERY IS HISTORICALLY, CULTURALLY, ARCHITECTURALLY OR ARCHEOLOGICALLY EXCEPTIONAL OR SIGNIFICANT.
AND THAT IF THE CEMETERY IS DETERMINED BY THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE TO BE EXCEPTIONAL OR SIGNIFICANT, ANY PROPOSED CHANGE EXCLUDING BURIALS MUST BE PRESENTED TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR APPROVALS OF PLANNED WORK.
SO THE INCLUSION OF THE TERM CEMETERY IN THE FINDINGS OF THE H D R C CASE 2019 7 0 2, REQUIRES THAT THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER PRESENTED DETERMINATION OF SIGNIFICANCE SHOULD THE CEMETERY BE CATEGORICALLY SIGNI SIGNIFICANT TO THIS H D R C FOR PROPER DELIBERATION WHEN CONSIDERING APPROVAL OF PLANNED WORK.
THE U D C IS EXPLICIT IN THIS REQUIREMENT, AND THERE IS NO OPTION FOR FINDING OF NO DETERMINATION.
SO, AS SUCH, APPLICATION H D R C CASE 20 19 7 0 2 IS INCOMPLETE AND IT CANNOT BE HEARD UNTIL THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER ISSUES A FINDING THAT CONCLUDES THE CEMETERY IS SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT, SUCH FINDING MUST BE PRESENT, PRESENT.
WE NOTING CEMETERY IN THE FINDINGS SO THAT THE H D R C HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF POTENTIAL IMPACT OR REVERSIBLE ADVERSE EFFECTS TO POTENTIAL CULTURAL ASSETS.
THE U D C ALSO REMINDS US THAT THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS GOVERNED IN ITS RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN THE STATE OF TEXAS LAW FOR CEMETERIES.
SO, UM, IT REALLY IMPLICATES THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE.
I, I, I, UM, UH, REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE, UM, THE CEMETERY IS MENTIONED IN THIS APPLICATION.
I, IT, IT, IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO ME BECAUSE IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN THE OTHER APPLICATION IN 2018 WHERE YOU DECIDED TO MOVE THE CAF WITH INFORMATION THAT NOW IS RELEVANT.
THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT IT BEING RELEVANT NOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE IN, UH, UH, FOR THE APPLICATION BECAUSE HOW CAN WE, UH, MAKE A DECISION OR HEAR MOTION THAT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE U D C, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT MAKES ME FEEL REAL UNCOMFORTABLE IS THE SELECTIVE KIND OF FINDINGS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I PLEASE CLARIFY? YES, PLEASE.
UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2018 AND 2019 IS THAT IN 2018, THE T H C HAD NOT DESIGNATED HONOR HORRIFICALLY.
THIS THE AREA, THE SECTION THAT, UM, THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A CEMETERY.
AND SO THAT INFORMATION HAPPENED IN 2019 AND WAS ADDED TO THE FINDING.
BUT WHAT THE FINDINGS SIMPLY COMMUNICATES IS THAT THE PROJECT, AS IN ANY PROJECT OF THIS NATURE, IS GOING TO REQUIRE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATIONS AND OTHER WORK THAT MAY KEEPS US IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS ANTIQUITIES CODE AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO ARCHEOLOGY.
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CHAIRMAN, THERE'S A MOTION ADMIT, WELL, THIS IS DISCUSSION AND, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, THE, THE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT ANSWER, BUT AS A CEMETERY, THAT'S A DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE TERM THAT'S BEING USED IN THE NEWSPAPERS, AND THEY FOUND A BODY.YOU, YOU SEE, YOU SEE, THAT'S WHAT THE REAL CONTRADICTION IS, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE USING THIS PIECEMEALED A HUNDRED YEAR LONG PROCESS OF FINDING A BODY HERE, FINDING A BODY THERE.
AND THE, AND THE INFORMATION IS, IS OVER THE COURSE OF A HUNDRED YEARS THROUGH ARTICLES IS IRREFUTABLE.
THERE COMES A TIME IN HISTORY WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THE REGULATORY AGENCIES OR THE, OR THE, OR THE, OR THE COMMITTEE COMMISSIONS THAT HEAR THESE ISSUES, AT SOME POINT IN HISTORY, SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO STOP CALLING IT A, A FOUND BODY OR A FOUND GRAVE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT, THAT IT'S A CEMETERY, AND THAT, THAT THE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, OR THE OFFICE OF O H P, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO WHAT THEY REALLY SUPPOSED TO DO, UH, WHICH IS TO, TO DO A COMPLETE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY OF THE AREA.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT MAKES IT VERY COMPLICATED, VERY HARD TO DO A PROJECT WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO A THING LIKE THAT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
BUT WHEN IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? IS IT GONNA HAPPEN IF WE'RE, IF IF THERE'S A 50 YEAR LEASE, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 50 YEARS OF, OF, OF, UH, OF YOU'RE GONNA DIG HOLES TO PLANT A HUNDRED TREES.
AND WE KNOW IT'S A CEMETERY BECAUSE IT'S CALLED A CEMETERY IN THIS FINDINGS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE LAST ONE WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, EAR EARS AND SAY, WELL, THEY FOUND A BODY.
WELL, THEY FOUND A BODY, BUT THIS ONE CAUSES A CEMETERY.
AND THE OFFICE OF O H P AT THIS POINT IS REQUIRED FOR, FOR QUALIFYING.
WHAT KIND OF CEMETERY THAT THAT IS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, TELLING US HOW THAT, UH, UNDER THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HEALTH CODES, WHETHER IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ABANDONED OR, OR, OR WHATEVER, UH, QUALIFYING TERM IS USED, BUT ALL OF THIS CAN ONLY BE DONE ONCE O H P TELLS US WHETHER IT'S SIGNIFICANT, WHAT KIND OF SIGNIFICANCE IT, IT HAS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEN THEY PROBABLY ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO AN ARCHEOLOGICAL, UM, UM, UH, DISCOVERY.
BECAUSE THEY SAID HERE, NOW I'M NOT SAYING THIS, THEY SAID IT, IT'S WRITTEN HERE.
IT SAYS THAT IT OVERLAPS PHASE ONE OF WORK OVERLAPS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CEMETERY.
BUT YET THERE, BUT YET ALL THERE IS IS THE, ALL THEY'RE PRESENTING TO US IS THE, UH, TEXAS HISTORICAL SITES ATLAS.
THEY, THEY WOULD BE THE, THE CITY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO A, A, A, AN OVERALL SURVEY.
BECAUSE LOOK, THIS DOES AMOUNT, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE OF THE WORD CEMETERY, AND, AND BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THROUGH THE PRESS, IT DOES, IT DOES AMOUNT TO DESECRATION OF, OF, UH, OF A CEMETERY.
AND, AND MR. CHAIR, UM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO, THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST HORRIBLE THING WE CAN DO ONCE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING IT.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS ORDERS, PLEASE.
BY THE WAY, I'M AN EIGHTH GENERATION TEXAN AND A DEC DESCENDANT OF WILLIAM WILLIAMS WHO FOUGHT IN THE BATTLE OF NACODOCHES.
UM, QUICK QUESTION ON THE INTERPRETIVE, UH, THEMES THAT WAS PICKED UP ON BY, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH HERE.
I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF THOSE.
UM, AND I, PLEASE REFRESH MY MEMORY.
WILL THERE BE A PANEL DEDICATED TO THE, THE HISTORY, THE CREATION OF THE SENATE'S, HALF ITS, UH, CONTRIBUTORS, THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS, UH, ITS MOVEMENT, ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WILL THERE BE PART TO PART OF THAT INTEGRATE INTO THIS, TO TELL THAT STORY LAST, CORRECT.
LAST SESSION WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TWO DIFFERENT BUCKETS OF, OF CONTENT.
ONE THAT WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE DEFENDERS, AND THEN ONE THAT WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE SENATE TAB AS A PIECE OF MEMORIAL ART.
AND SOME EXAMPLES OF THOSE TALKED INTO, UH, SPECIFICS IN THE CREATION OF THE, THE RESEARCH THAT WENT INTO THE LIST OF DEFENDERS AND HOW THAT HAS BEEN, UH, AUGMENTED AND, AND VALIDATED OVER TIME.
ALSO, THERE WAS, UH, EXAMPLE OF KINI AND WHAT INSPIRED HIM FOR THE SCULPTURES, BUT ALSO THE REST OF THE TEAM.
AND EVEN THOUGH THE, NOT JUST THE, UM, NOT JUST THE CREATION OF THE CTA, BUT WHY A, WHY THE CTA WAS CHOSEN AS A FORM OF MEMORIAL ARTS OTHER THAN, UH, OF OTHER CHOICES.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
WILL THERE BE INCLUSION OF THE CONTROVERSY OF THE RELOCATION OF THE, OF THE SENATE HALF AS WELL? YEAH.
THAT, THAT HASN'T BEEN AS PART OF THE STORY THAT HASN'T BEEN CONSIDERED UP TILL NOW, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, WELL, THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT, AND YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED IT BEFORE THAT I'VE WORKED ON CIVIL WAR, UH, BATTLEFIELD AND,
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AND GRAVE, UH, SITES, AND WE WOULD NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF MOVING A MARKER OR MONUMENT.I MEAN, IT JUST, THE, THE, THE, THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT MOVE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GREATLY REGRET HAVING NOT, UM, OPPOSED THAT MORE STRONGLY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN.
BUT AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DISCUSSED, THE, THE MASTER PLAN BEING SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UH, A, A ROADMAP RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, UH, MANACLES THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, LOCK US INTO SOMETHING THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, UH, TO CONSIDER AS MORE DETAILS COME FORTH.
AND AT THAT TIME ALSO, THERE WASN'T REALLY, UM, A PRESENTATION OF COP'S, UH, WORDS AND THOUGHTS.
I THINK, UH, EVEN OUR CHAIRMAN AT THAT TIME HAD DONE SOME RESEARCH OF HIS OWN.
HE'D PRESENTED THAT IN HIS, UH, COMMENTS AND TESTIMONIAL TO THE COMMISSION THAT THE, UH, THE CURRENT PROPOSED LOCATION WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT.
BUT THERE WAS NEVER AT ANY TIME DISCUSSION ABOUT COP'S, UH, VEHEMENT, UH, OPPOSITION TO THAT.
SO HAD I KNOWN THAT AT THAT TIME, I THINK I WOULD'VE BEEN MORE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF, OF MOVING THE SENATE HALF.
AND SO I GREATLY REGRET THAT, AND I OWED APOLOGY TO MY FELLOW CITIZENS IN TEXANS.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I, MR. BOWMAN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF PRACTICAL THINGS WITH THIS APPLICATION THAT I, THAT I SEE AS, UM, JUST THINGS THAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK UP.
UM, SO, UH, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THINGS, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, TREES, THE AMOUNT OF NEW TREES VERSUS, UH, TREES THAT WE'RE, UH, KEEPING, UM, SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE SYNAP AREA.
UM, SECOND THING IS, UM, ADDRESSING THE, UH, THE WAY THAT THE, THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE NEW, UM, MAYBE, UH, CHANGED THE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT AND THE PROCESS FOR WHICH THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO US TO KIND OF TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT BEFORE THAT'S PUT INTO PLACE.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS LIKE VIEWS FROM THE ALAMO TO THE SYNTA.
I NOTICED THAT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE NORTHWEST CORNER, UM, THERE'S A NEW LANDSCAPE AREA THERE.
UM, SO I WANTED TO KIND OF KNOW IF THAT IS AN EXISTING TREE OR IF THAT'S NEW.
ALL OF THAT'S PLANNED, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GO INTO THAT DETAIL.
UH, AS PART OF THE OVERALL PLAN, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE EXISTING TREES WITH, UH, WITH AN ARBORIST BOTH ON THE INTERNAL TEAM AND THE CITY ARBORIST.
THERE'S THREE TREES IN PARTICULAR IN THE PHASE ONE AREA THAT ARE PROPOSED TO, TO STAY.
AND SO THE ONE, UH, LANDSCAPE BED THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS ONE OF THOSE.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE PROBABLY HAVE TO GET ADDITIONAL DETAIL TO POINT OUT ALL OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE INTENDED TO REMAIN, BUT IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE, IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE, UM, PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS AND PART OF THE DECISION ON HOW TO INCORPORATE THE LIVE OAKS AND, AND START TO DESIGN AROUND THE TREES THAT ARE IN SUCH GOOD SHAPE TO RETAIN.
NOT ALL OF THEM ARE IN GOOD SHAPE, BUT YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND SO I JUST, THE WAY THAT THE APPLICATION IS WORDED, IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SAVING AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE AND THEN USING SOME TREES TO REPLACE DAMAGED TREES.
MY CONCERN IS THE NUMBER OF NEW TREES ADDED AND THE EFFECTS THAT THOSE ROOTS WILL HAVE ON, UM, THE SYSTEMS UNDERNEATH THOSE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY KIND ROOT BARRIER SYSTEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE DESIGNED TO, TO ISOLATE THESE TREES SO THAT ONCE THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES ARE DONE IN THOSE AREAS, THAT IT WILL BE ISOLATED TO THOSE AREAS AND NOT GROW OUT PAST THAT? IT, IT DOES MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT THE INTENT OF MAKING SURE THAT THE ROOT, THAT, THAT THE ROOTS AND THE ROOT BALLS DON'T IMPACT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
IT, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE, UH, THE ADDITION OF THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE XENO THEFT? TO THE XENO THEFT? YEAH.
LAST, UM, THE LAST PRESENTATION HAD A HANDFUL OF SLIDES THAT TALKED ABOUT REALLY ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT TALKED ABOUT THE INTENT TO ADD NAMES.
NOT ON THE, NOT ON THE SCULPTURE THAT IS NOW, BUT ON THE, UM, THE VIRGIN MARBLE PANELS THAT ARE BELOW.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, NOT ONLY A SEPARATE PANEL THAT IDENTIFIES THE RESEARCH AND PREVIOUS, BUT ALSO THE NEW RESEARCH THAT IDENTIFIES THE MISSPELLINGS OF THE NAMES AND THE ADDITIONAL NAMES THAT DESERVE TO BE THERE.
UH, SO THE INTENT IS TO, TO HONOR THE NUN IN A SEPARATE PANEL THAT'S OFTEN TO THE SIDE, BUT TO BE BELOW THE EXACT FONT CHOICE, THE EXACT LAYOUT OF WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE IN A FREEZE THAT'S COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT'S THERE NOW IS YET TO BE DETERMINED.
WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND REVIEW THAT WITH YOU, BUT THE INTENT IS TO ADDRESS THOSE MISSPELLED NAMES AND ADDITIONAL NAMES THERE ON THE LOWER, UH, PIECE OF THE MONUMENT, RATHER THAN AFFECTING THE MONUMENT AS IT'S WILL.
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WILL THE NARRATIVE OF THAT BE BROUGHT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE BEFORE IT'S APPROVED AND INSTALLED? YEAH, I THINK THE INTENT IS THE INTERPRETIVE, BOTH THE DESIGN OF THE PANELS AND WHATEVER THE INTERPRETIVE CONTENT.AND AT THAT TIME, YOU'LL, IT, IT WILL BE READY TO HAVE THE CONTENT, THE RESEARCH BEHIND THE CONTENT AND THE WAY IT'S EXPRESSED.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH COMMENTS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, SIR.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT, THAT IT'S CORRECT TO ASSUME THAT, THAT, UH, WHEN YOU PLANT A TREE, YOUR ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT THERE'S NOTHING BURIED UNDERNEATH IT UNTIL YOU HIT THE BONES? SO YOU'RE SAYING DO I ASSUME IT WOULD, DO WE HAVE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THE GROUND? NO, PRIOR, PRIOR TO DIGGING? THAT'S WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS, RIGHT? NO, NO.
IT'S MORE THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FORM OF PLANNING WOULD SAY THAT WHEN YOU DREW A TREE TO GO IN A PARTICULAR LOCATION, THAT YOUR CONCERN AS TO WHETHER THERE WOULD BE BONES IN THAT LOCATION WOULD NOT BE A CONSIDERATION UNTIL AFTER YOU DUG THE HOLE AND FOUND THE BONES.
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? NO, NOT ENTIRELY.
SO, SO THEN THE, THEN, THEN YOU WOULD BE AGREEING THAT YOU, YOU'D PLANT A TREE KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HIT BONES? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN EXCLUSIVE QUESTION.
THERE'S AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY DONE BEFORE, LIKE ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT WE HAVE APPROVED BEFORE.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE GOING FURTHER.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, THAT, THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN, UH, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY.
IT SAYS DONE OF THE ENTIRE, IT SAYS IT'LL BE REQUIRED COMMISSIONER, IT SAYS AN AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY WILL BE REQUIRED APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, CORRECT.
AND, AND WE ARE GONNA RECEIVE A, A COPY OF THE BOUNDARIES OF, OF WHATEVER IS FOUND AS A CEMETERY PRIOR TO ANY WORK BEING DONE.
STAFF CAN CLARIFY THAT THAT IS NOT FOR OUR, IN OUR AGENDA, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ITEM THAT'S FOR US TODAY.
IT IS, IT'S IN F IT'S IN FINDINGS ORDER.
IT'S IN, IT'S IN FINDINGS ORDER, PLEASE.
THAT, THAT, I, I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO, TO MY POINT, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S POINT OVER HERE IS THAT SHE SAYS IT'S NOT IN THE APPLICATION, IN THE FINDINGS, IT'S FINDINGS.
IT SAYS IT'LL BE SUBMITTED TO O H P, NOT TO US.
IT, I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS NO, IT DOESN'T B OR NOT REQUIRED TO SEE A REPORT.
IT IS STATES ON THE FINDINGS THAT ART CLERICAL CONSULT SHALL SUBMIT THE SCOPE OF WORK TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
I'M TALKING ABOUT MOVING ON TO WHAT'S IN OUR AGENDA TODAY.
IT IS INCLUDED IN THE FINDING.
WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT HAS LASTING CONSEQUENCES.
SHOULD, SHOULD WE CREATE A SITUATION THAT CREATES AN IRREVERSIBLE SITUATION WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE JUST DONE SOMETHING THAT CAN'T, WE CAN'T TAKE BACK.
UH, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE LEVEL OF DELIBERATION WE GO THROUGH OVER A WOOD WINDOW, IT'S, IT'S, IF YOU CAME HERE AND TRIED TO PUT A VINYL CLAD WOOD WINDOW IN YOUR BUILDING, WE'D BE HERE FOR AN HOUR.
WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, BEFORE YOU PLANTED THE TREES, DID YOU, DID YOU, BEFORE YOU PLANTED THE TREES, DID YOU PLANT THE TREES? KNOWING WHAT, WHAT THE AB ABSOLUTE BOUNDARIES ARE FROM AN ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, UH, STUDY COMPLETED AND WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE, WE'RE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS TO GET THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY DONE BEFORE THE, BEFORE DIGGING, DETERMINE THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.
AND I, BUT MY UNDER UNDERSTANDING IS OFF THE SUBJECT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN, IN, IN ORDER TO, TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA CREATE ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS, THAT IT'S PRUDENT TO DO A COMPLETE, UH, STUDY AND LOCATE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CEMETERY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT IS PART OF THEIR, AND THE CEMETERY WAS NOT IN THE 2018 APPLICATION.
IT IS IN THE 2019 APPLICATION.
THAT'S WHY IT'S AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
UH, COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE IS A, A, AN APPROPRIATE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY THAT WOULD PROCEED ANY PHYSICAL ACTION ON THE SITE, UH, AS REQUIRED.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE FINDINGS AND THE 2019 FINDINGS IS TO, FOR THAT POINT.
AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SENSITIVE TO THE EFFECT THAT THESE TREES WOULD HAVE ON ANY POTENTIAL BURIAL SITE AS WELL.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO, BUT I, I DO IT, IT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO HAPPEN AS A PART OF THIS APPLICATION, AS, AS PROPOSED, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY HAS TO HAPPEN.
UH, AND, AND, AND FELLOW COMMISSIONER, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, BUT MY, MY STUDY OF THE U D C SAYS THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF STEPS THAT ARE MISSING, AND ONE STEP THAT'S MISSING IS YOU CAN'T JUST SAY CEMETERY OR THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION CAN'T.
THEY HAVE TO TELL US WHAT KIND OF CEMETERY IT IS AND, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE
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A DECISION.THE, THE U D C IS THE ONE THAT'S TELLING US THAT O H P HAS TO QUALIFY THAT WORD CEMETERY.
THEY HAVE TO QUALIFY THAT WORD CEMETERY.
YOU CAN'T JUST WRITE CEMETERY IF YOU'RE O H P.
YOU HAVE TO SAY, UH, CEMETERY OF, OF ARCHITECTURAL CEMETERY OF CULTURAL CEMETERY OF ARCHEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
YOU HAVE TO, OKAY, COMMISSIONER, LET ME ASK LEGAL, ARE WE, CAN WE PROCEED WITH OUR MOTION BASED ON, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN SAID AND ASKED OF, OF THE COMMISSION AND WHAT'S IN THE FINDINGS? THERE'S A MOTION ALREADY THAT HAS BEEN SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
ANY OTHER MOTIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE.
UM, AT THIS POINT, NO VOTE HAS BEEN TAKEN ON THAT MOTION.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE COMMISSION.
WELL, THEN I WOULD ASK MY, THE, THE, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION TO ENTERTAIN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WOULD END THE MOTION WITH THE PHRASE, UH, ONCE THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION HAS QUALIFIED, UM, A CEMETERY AS PER U D C, WHICH MR. CHAIR, THE MOTION IS FLAWED AND IT'S, AND IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED, WE, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN HAVE A MOTION.
I'M GONNA ASK MY, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER TO RESCIND A MOTION.
UH, I BELIEVE THE, THAT THE MOTION, UH, AS MADE IMPLIES CONFORMANCE WITH FEDERAL AND STATE LAW.
IT'S OUTLINED IN THE U D C ABOVE IT, SO I WILL NOT BE AMENDING THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISH TO SPEAK? AND ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
HOWARD, WE DO HAVE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. UM, WE DO HAVE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. WE ASK THE, UM, AUDIENCE WHO IS NOT STAYING TO PLEASE EXIT QUIETLY SO THAT THE OTHER APPLICANTS CAN COME IN QUIETLY.
OH, EDWARD, IF YOU CAN PUT UP THE, THE, UM, THE LIST OF B ITEMS ON THE SCREEN FOR US.
SORRY, WE HAVE ONE MORE A ITEM.
SO, EDWARD, CAN YOU READ A SEVEN
[A-7 19-9259 Address/Description: 151 E TRAVIS ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-715 RIO District: RIO-3 Applicant: Patrick Christensen Request: Encroachment into the Right-of-Way City Council Dist.: 1]
INTO THE RECORD PLEASE? AGENDA ITEM A SEVEN H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 7 1 15, 1 51 EAST TRAVIS.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ENCROACH INTO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER WALK RIGHT OF WAY BY APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET, 11 INCHES.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL ENCROACH INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY BY THREE FEET, 11 INCHES.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THE ENCROACHMENT WILL BE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 24 FEET ABOVE THE SIDEWALK AT THE RIVERWALK LEVEL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS, EXCUSE ME, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT NO ENCROACHMENT SHOULD OCCUR ABOVE THE RIVER CHANNEL OR THE RIGHT OF WAY AT THE RIVERWALK LEVEL.
DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM? OKAY.
PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH, UH, ST.
HERE WITH, UH, CHRIS FELDMAN, THE ARCHITECT.
WE'VE GOT SOME EXHIBITS WE'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU.
UM, IF YOU RECALL, WE CAME FOR A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THE HOTEL PLANS, UH, ON THE ENCROACHMENT ISSUE.
THERE WAS SOME CANVASSING THAT HAD TO BE DONE, AND STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT WE COME TO YOU TO DISCUSS THE, UH, WELL COME ON, UH, TO DISCUSS THE ENCROACHMENT ISSUE.
AND I'VE GOT CHRIS FELMAN WHO WILL KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF OUR EXHIBITS THAT THEY'RE PULLING UP RIGHT NOW.
CAN STAFF CLOSE THE DOORS? THANK YOU.
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HEY, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE HAVE ORDER? YES.ORDER PLEASE IN THE AUDIENCE? WOULD Y'ALL PLEASE MOVE IT TO THE LOBBY? WOULD Y'ALL PLEASE MOVE IT TO THE LOBBY? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.
I'M CHRIS FELDMAN, UH, THE ARCHITECT.
AND WE WANTED TO WALK THROUGH SORT OF SOME OF THE, THE CHANGES, UM, AND FURTHER EXPLAIN THE OVERHANG.
UM, GIVEN OUR LAST MEETING AND SOME OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THE SECTION SHOWN HERE, UM, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIMENSION, IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE DASH LINE AND THE FIVE FEET IS THE ORIGINAL PROJECTION OR OVERHANG AT ITS AT ITS, UH, UM, OR THE MAXIMUM, I GUESS THE SITE IS A, IS A, IS A KIND OF MORE TRI TRIANGULAR SHAPE.
AND SO THAT'S AT THAT WE'RE SHOWING THE WORST CASE SCENARIO HERE.
UH, SINCE, UH, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE TO, UM, FROM O H P WERE TO, UH, REDUCE OR ELIMINATE, UM, AND WE HAVE WORKED AT THE PLAN AND REFINED IT AND DONE OUR BEST TO REDUCE IT WITHOUT OVERLY COMPROMISING THE INTERIOR PLAN.
THE, UNFORTUNATELY, THE TRIANGULAR PIECE OF IT GETS SUPER PINCHED THE MORE WE PULL IN AND PULL IN.
UM, SO WE HAVE REDUCED IT, UM, YEAH, I GUESS A TOTAL OF 22 INCHES AT THIS POINT.
UM, I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO FULLY EXPLAIN AS WELL, UH, IN THE RISK RECENT STAFF FINDINGS OR OR RECOMMENDATION WAS, UM, THE OVERHANG ENCROACHING INTO, UM, I BELIEVE THE TERM WAS THE, UH, SEE, I'LL READ IT HERE, UM, INTO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER WALK RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE WANTED TO EXPLAIN HERE WITH BY FURTHER REFINING THE SECTION OF THE EXISTING RIVER WALK WALL IS, UM, IS SORT OF THAT LOCATION.
OUR PROPERTY LINE FALLS RIGHT ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
UM, AND SO, UH, AT THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL, AT THE RIVER WALK, THE OVERHANG IS ESSENTIALLY IN TERMS OF THE SPACE, UH, THAT THAT COULD BE ACCESSED, EXCLUDING THAT LITTLE LANDSCAPE STRIP, WHICH IS EXISTING IS APPROXIMATELY ONE FOOT 10.
UM, AND, UH, SO AGAIN, JUST SORT OF TO TO TO FURTHER KIND OF REFINE AND EXPLAIN THAT THAT'S AT ITS WORST CASE.
AT THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ABOUT A FOOT LESS, SO MAYBE A 10 INCH OVERHANG.
UH, THE OTHER THING TO, TO EXPLAIN IS, IS IT'S UP ABOUT 26 FEET.
UM, SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE SOMETHING TWICE AS TALL AS THIS, THAT'S, THAT'S PROTRUDING OUT ABOUT 22 INCHES.
UM, THAT'S BASICALLY THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
UM, WE ALSO WANTED TO, UH, IN ADDITION TO THIS SECTION, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, POINT OUT SOME OF THE, UH, EXCERPTS FROM THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT REINFORCE THE RETAIL CHARACTER OF THE GROUND FLOOR, STREET AND RIVER WALL AND OR HELP DEFINE THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT ALONG THE SIDEWALKS SUCH AS CANOPIES, AWNINGS, AND OVERHANGS ARE ENCOURAGED AND SHOULD BE INTEGRAL TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WHEN DESIGNING THIS FACADE, I MEAN, OUR, OUR LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS JUST HAVE A LONG, TALL BLANK WALL.
AND I THINK IT WAS EVEN MENTIONED IN SOME OF THE, THE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS THE FIRST TIME WE WERE HERE IS PROVIDING SOME OF THAT RELIEF, SOME OF THAT SETBACK.
AND SO AT THIS WORST CASE, IT'S WHERE WE HAVE AN OFFSET IN THE FACADE TO HAVE A CHANGE IN MATERIAL AND ARTICULATE THAT FACADE.
UM, I THINK THE OTHER THING IS FROM, FROM THE U D C, UH, THIS, THIS, THE LOCATION OF THIS SITE IS AT A BEND IN THE RIVER.
UM, AND SO FROM THE U D C, UM, THERE IS A SECTION ON AN ARCHITECTURAL FOCAL POINT.
UH, AND I'LL, AND I'LL JUST BRIEFLY OR TRY TO PARAPHRASE THAT, BUT WHEN A PROPERTY IS SITUATED IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO APPEAR AT THE TERMIST AT THE END OF A STREET OR A PROMINENT CURVE IN THE RIVER CREEK, WHICH THIS DOES, UH, THE BUILDING SHALL INCORPORATE INTO, INTO ITS DESIGN AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE THAT WILL PROVIDE A FOCAL POINT AT THE END OF THE VIEW.
AND THEN IT GOES ON TO LIST, UM, INCLUDING, UM, YOU KNOW, RECESS TO PROJECTING BALCONIES, ENTRANCES.
AND SO, AGAIN, THAT, THAT FURTHER ARTICULATION OF THE FACADE, WE FEEL LIKE IS EVEN MORE, UM, UH, IMPERATIVE ON THE DESIGN HERE BECAUSE IT IS, IS AT THIS BEND IN THE RIVER.
UM, AND, AND SO YEAH, WE CAN SH WE CAN SHARE THAT.
SO THIS IS, UM, THIS, THIS RENDERING WAS, WAS AN EARLY CONCEPTUAL RENDERING THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE INITIAL PACKAGE.
UM, ACTUALLY SINCE THIS NOW WE HAVE REDUCED IT.
UM, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE, THAT'S WHERE THE FACADE
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IS ARTICULATED AND WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, AT ITS GREATEST, THE, THE OVERHANG IS GREATEST.WE'VE SINCE PULLED THAT BACK ANOTHER 22 INCHES.
UM, AND FURTHER DEFINED WITH OUR, WITH OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS, UM, WHAT THE, UH, THE SHAPE OF THAT EXISTING RIVERWALK WALL IS AS SHOWN ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
UM, AND, AND IT'S ACTUALLY EVEN HIGHER THAN AS SHOWN IN THIS RENDERING.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD, UH, ARGUE THAT, UM, THE, THE CHANGE IN PLANE WITH THE FACADE, UH, IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER, ESPECIALLY BEING AT THIS PROMINENT BEND IN THE RIVER.
UH, AND THAT GIVEN THE SHAPE OF THE SITE, TRYING TO ELIMINATE IT COMPLETELY, UH, UM, HAS SOMEWHAT DISASTROUS EFFECTS ON THE LAYOUT, UH, OF THE INTERIOR OF IT.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS INITIALLY WHEN WE CAME WAS TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE, AND WE'VE DONE ALL WE CAN TO REDUCE IT.
UM, AND SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE COMPLIED WITH, UM, WITH AHPS AND WITH THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS THE FIRST GO ROUND.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UH, BEFORE WE GET QUESTIONS, WE DO HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, UH, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY PATTY SCIENCE PRESIDENT, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE CONTINUAL ENCROACHMENT OF NEW BUILDINGS ONTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, ESPECIALLY ALONG OUR FAMOUS RIVER WALK.
THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT AT 1 51 EAST TRAVIS NOW REQUESTS AN OVERHANG OF THREE FEET, 11 INCHES ABOVE THE RIVER WALK.
THIS IS A MATERIAL CHANGE TO THE PROJECT, YET THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED A SHADES AND SHADOW STUDY TO SHOW HOW MUCH MORE THIS OVERHANG WILL AFFECT THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
GIVEN THE INFORMATION PRESENTED, WE OPPOSE THIS CHANGE.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, PATTY ZZ, PRESIDENT.
IF I COULD, IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT COMMENT.
WE DID SUBMIT SHADE AND SHADOW STUDY, UM, WHICH WAS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED, UM, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IN THE PREVIOUS DESIGN.
AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY SHOWING A WORSE CASE THAN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING NOW.
SO IF ANYTHING, WE'VE IMPROVED IT, UH, SINCE THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE SHADE AND SHADOW STUDY, NOT THAT WE'RE IGNORING YOU, BUT I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE NUMB.
SO GIVE US A, GIVE US A FEW MINUTES.
SOMETHING I THINK THE APPLICANT, UM, I REMEMBER APPROVING, I MEAN, SEEING THE FINAL, AND, AND I THINK BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TODAY IS JUST TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, AMENDED WITH THAT ENCROACHMENT.
UM, TO ME IT'S, I DON'T MIND IT.
I JUST FEEL IT'S KIND OF A, WE ARE ON THE RIVER LEVEL AND I DON'T KNOW IF 26 FEET IS ENOUGH TO KIND OF NOT HAVE AN IMPACT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND, AND THE DESIGN, AND I LIKE THAT PART.
SO I'M KIND OF MAYBE A LITTLE BIT IN THE SENSE OF RIGHT NOW.
UM, I'LL PROBABLY HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE, UM, THE RURAL WALK IS, I MEAN, THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT, THAT RULE.
AND, AND I, AND I TEND TO SAY IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU SAY IT'S MINIMAL AND I, AND I CAN SEE THAT IT'S MINIMAL, BUT HOW WOULD THAT, YOU KNOW, BE FOR OTHER PROJECTS AND HOW WOULD THAT, YOU KNOW, SO I KIND OF HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT ONE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE.
ON, UH, THE CANTILEVER ENCROACHMENT OVER THE RIVER CHANNEL.
THAT'S A STANDARD, CORRECT? NOT A GUIDELINE.
AND I CAN READ THE LANGUAGE IF YOU'D LIKE THAT YOU DO, SO PLEASE.
UM, I'LL ACTUALLY READ ALL OF FINDING C UM, FOR CONTEXT, IT'S NOTED IN FINDING A, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ENCROACH INTO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER WALK, RIVER WALK RIGHT OF WAY BY APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET, 11 INCHES.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THE ENCROACHMENT WILL BE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 24 FEET ABOVE THE SIDEWALK AT THE RIVER WALK LEVEL.
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THE U D C SECTION 35 6 72 A TWO NOTES THAT NO STRUCTURE BUILDING ROOF OR SKYWALK MAY BE CONSTRUCTED OVER THE RIVER OR CREEK CHANNEL OR BYPASS CHANNEL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STRUCTURES FOR FLOOD CONTROL, OPEN AIR, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES AT GROUND, RIVER LEVEL, AND STREET BRIDGES.THE RIVER CHANNEL IS, THE NATURAL COURSE OF THE RIVER IS MODIFIED FOR FLOOD CONTROL PURPOSES, AND THE PERSHING CA CATALPA DITCH SAP PINES HAVE PROPOSED CANTILEVER TO BE INAPPROPRIATE AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE U D C.
CAN I PROVIDE A COMMENT TO THAT? SURE.
COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE? EDWARD? UH, THE SECTION ON THE RIGHT IS, IS PULLED FROM THE U D C AND ALTHOUGH IT SAYS SAN PEDRO CREEK, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF, IF YOU READ IT, IF YOU READ IT, IT KIND OF ADDRESSES RIVER AND SAN PEDRO CREEK.
COULD YOU ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT? UM, AND SO STAFF'S FINDINGS, YOU KNOW, CLAIM THAT IT ENCROACHES OVER THE, THE RIVER CHANNEL.
UM, AND IT'S REALLY MOREOVER THE EO AND ACTUALLY EVEN ONLY ONE FOOT 10 OVER THAT.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO HOPEFULLY GAIN SUPPORT AND CLARIFICATION ON.
UM, CAN STAFF ELABORATE ON THE DEFINITION OF THE RIVER CHANNEL HERE? STAFF WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY, UM, THAT, THAT SECTION NOTES, UM, COURSE OF THE RIVER AS MODIFIED FOR FLOOD CONTROL PURPOSES.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE ACCIDENT, UH, RETAINING WALL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THE ENCROACHMENT IS RANGING BETWEEN WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE BIGGEST ENCROACHMENT AMOUNT? ONE FOOT 10 ULTIMATELY COMMISSIONERS.
UM, IT IS A LITTLE UP FOR INTERPRETATION.
UM, OUR INTERPRETATION IS THAT IT SHOULD BE AVOIDED.
UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ITEM.
I MEAN, MY THOUGHTS ON THE DESIGN, I, I APPRECIATE THE DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT.
UM, I DON'T TAKE ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU'VE PRE PRESENTED, NOR THE JUSTIFICATION FOR PRESENTING OF, IT'S JUST THIS OVERHANG OVER THE RIVER CHANNEL, UH, CHANNEL ALONE THAT IS GIVING ME PAUSE.
AND, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THAT MUCH ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION ON THIS.
I THINK STAFF HAS THIS, RIGHT? I THINK APPROVAL OF IT WOULD, UH, SET A BAD PRECEDENT.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR DENIAL.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANNA TELL THE APPLICANT THAT I WOULD IN, UM, I WOULD ENTERTAIN IT COMING BACK MAYBE WITH A CHANGE OF DESIGN.
UH, RIGHT NOW, I WOULD PROBABLY, UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IF AGREE WITH THE MOTION WOULD STAFF, UH, IF WE WERE TO REDUCE IT, SAY BACK TO THE FACE WHERE IT'S NOT PROTRUDING PAST THE, THE LOWER END OF THAT WALL.
SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE ONE REDUCE IT, THE ONE FOOT 10.
I, I, I HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A THOUGHT HERE.
SO THE PROBLEM WITH THE OVERHANG ISN'T THE IDEA OF A CANOPY AWNING OR OVERHANG, THE PROBLEM IS THE EXTERIOR WALL FACE THAT IS OVER THAT EDGE.
IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO MOVE THAT EXTERIOR WALL FACE, EVEN IF BALCONY EDGES, AWNINGS OR CANOPIES EXTEND TO THE, OUT TO WHERE YOU HAVE THEM.
SO LONG AS IT'S NOT THE EXTERIOR WALL, IN MY MIND, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT CLEANS IT UP.
UM, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING A MOTION FOR DENIAL.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL.
AND TO APPLICANT CAN COME BACK.
WELL, TO BE CLEAR, THE PROJECT HAS RECEIVED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THAT SETBACK BE MET.
AND SO THE PROJECT CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD JUST WITH THAT.
BUT CAN, CAN WE JUST ONE CLARIFICATION.
THE, UH, BECAUSE STAFF'S COMMENT WAS ABOUT ENCROACHING INTO THE RIVER CHANNEL, UM, WOULD THE COMMISSION ENTERTAIN IF WE WERE TO REDUCE IT, THE ONE FOOT 10 SO THAT IT DOESN'T ENCROACH INTO THE RIVER CHANNEL? UM, AS DEFINED IN THE U D C? UH, I THINK YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS IT THEN.
THE MOTION TODAY DOES NOT SUPPORT ENCROACHMENT INTO ANY OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEMS ON THE BE AGENDA.
WE THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING PATIENT TODAY.
UM, THE FIRST, UH, ITEM HEARD TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT.
UM, EDWARD, IF YOU WILL PULL UP THE, UM, ACTUALLY FIRST WE HAVE A CITIZEN
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WHO SIGNED IN FOR GENERAL COMMENTS ON THE BE AGENDA.LULU WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO, TO SPEAK.
HI, UH, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS, 17 NOLAN.
UM, I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK, UH, TO ONE CASE IN PARTICULAR THAT WAS ON THE NOVEMBER 6TH AGENDA.
THAT CASE INVOLVED MICHAEL PETTIS OF MP TWO URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND HIS REQUEST TO INSTALL
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ALUMINUM WINDOWS FOR HIS PROPERTIES LOCATED AT FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE 1126 EAST CROCKETT AND 1 0 5 TO ONE 13 NORTH BROWN.ACCORDING TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION'S OWN GUIDELINES, WOOD WINDOWS, OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS ARE THE MATERIAL MATERIALS ALLOWED TO BE USED FOR BOTH NEW AND EXISTING HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE COASTA HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
BUT FOR SOME REASON, O H P RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO ALLOW MICRO BED OF MP TWO URBAN OF DEVELOPMENT TO INSTALL ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN PLACE OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS.
AND MY QUESTION IS, WHY, WHY DID O H P RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO ALLOW MP TWO URBAN DEVELOPMENT TO BILL WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS WHEN THEY HAVE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED AGAINST OTHER, ALLOWING OTHER INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO DO THE SAME THING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT, FOR INSTANCE, THE 1950S IN WHICH THOSE WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT WITH, WITH, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
I MAY REPEAT A REQUEST TO GET AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, AND NO ONE FROM O H P MANAGEMENT FEELS IT NECESSARY TO PROVIDE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A GENERIC CASES ARE REVIEWED AND APPROVED ON INDIVIDUAL CASE BY CASE BASIS, TYPES OF RESPONSE.
SO IT MAKES ME WONDER WHY THIS WAS APPROVED.
SO, BECAUSE IN FACT, ON THAT SAME AGENDA, YOU HAD MULTIPLE CASES OF HOUSES THAT WERE WANTING TO IMPROVE OR REPLACE WINDOWS, AND THEY WERE ALL REQUIRED TO HAVE WOOD OR, UM, UH, ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS.
I'VE BEEN ATTENDING H D R C MEETINGS SINCE 2016 AND HAVE REPEATEDLY SEEN O H P AND H D R C REQUIRE, UM, HOMEOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF WINDOW TO MEET WHAT IS ORIGINALLY PART OF WHAT IS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE GUIDELINES.
YOU CANNOT ALLOW ONE DEVELOPER TO SKIRT THE REQUIREMENTS AND NOT PROVIDE A REASON AS TO WHY HE WAS ALLOWED TO DO THIS.
PEOPLE START MAKING FALSE ASSUMPTIONS.
BUT PEOPLE START MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AS TO WHY FAVORITISM WAS SHOWN TO THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL.
AND THIS IS WHAT MAKES PEOPLE START SHOUTING ABOUT THE LACK OF FAIRNESS IN THIS PROCESS.
['B' ITEMS CONSENT AGENDA]
CASES ON THE, UM, B ITEM CONSENT AGENDA.UH, WE HAVE NO SPEAKER SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL A CASE? IF NOT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT.
AGENDA ITEMS B ONE THROUGH B 21 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS SECOND.
YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 0 5 PLAZA AIS ONE 10, OR EXCUSE ME, 1110 VIRGINIA FOR TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION.
1611 NORTH ALAMO FOR TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION.
2 0 1 WEST HOLLYWOOD TWO 12 CAMARGO FOR TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION.
2242 WEST MISSILE TOW, 2311 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE FOR CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION.
3 28 EAST SATCH 5 1 9 NOLAN 5 27 5 31 CENTER AND 3 0 9 NORTH HACKBERRY 6 0 1 BURNETT 7 0 1 MONTANA FOR CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION.
A TWO A 21 MASON AND MASON STREET PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS 9 26 LAMAR 9 42 SUTTON, AND THE 1 21 EAST WOODLAWN.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
A PUBLIC NOTICE YARD SIGN HAS BEEN PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY.
IF YOU HAVE NOT RETRIEVED IT, PLEASE DO SO AND RETURN TO THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
ORI, SHOULD I REREAD THE, UH, CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT SINCE IT MENTIONS TUBMAN TI SPEAKING TIME PER SPEAKER? UM, I'LL JUST EXPLAIN, UM, FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM, THE CHAIRMAN SETS THE SPEAKING TIMES AT THE TOP OF EACH HEARING, UM, BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF TODAY'S MEETING, UM, WE ARE ASKING THAT, UH, SPEAKERS LIMIT THEIR SPEAKER TIMES TO TWO MINUTES.
IT WAS SET AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND IT IS, IT IS WELL WITHIN THE RIGHT OF THE COMMISSION AND THE CHAIRMAN TO SET THE TIME LIMITS PER SPEAKER.
UM, AND SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING.
[B-22 19-9351 Address/Description: 335 TRAIL HDRC Case No.: 2019-641 Historic District Name: River Road RIO District: RIO-1 Applicant: Mark Odom/Mark Odom Studio Request: Construction of a multi-family residential development City Council Dist.: 1]
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EXCUSE ME, 3 35 TRAIL.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE VACANT LOT LOCATED AT 3 35 TRAIL.
THE PROPERTY FEATURES LOTS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY ONLY, AS WELL AS THOSE THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN BOTH THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO FEATURE TWO AND THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT.
ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDED FROM TRAIL STREET AND WESTAT STREET STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING Q, WHICH NOTES THE INCLUSION OF STREET FACING FRONT LOADED GARAGE DOORS, AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT IS NOT PRESENT WITHIN THE RIVER ROAD.
HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF FINDS THIS DETAIL TO BE INAPPROPRIATE AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES IF THE COMMISSION FINDS THE PROPOSAL TO BE APPROPRIATE.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS INCLUDED.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THESE STIPULATIONS.
UH, RECENTLY THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A MODIFICATION TO THE DESIGN IN REGARDS TO BUILDING FIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE MODIFIED DESIGN OF BUILDING FIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION AT THE REDUCED HEIGHT PORTION OF BUILDING FIVE B.
DESIGNED TO MENTION IN DETAIL TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON SITE BUILDING SIX.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT SHALL UPDATE ALL SITE CONSTRUCTION AND DRAINAGE DOCUMENTS TO REFLECT THE MODIFICATION AND FOOTPRINT.
A FOUNDATION INSPECTION IS REQUIRED, AS IS A ROOFING INSPECTION APPLICANT HERE PLEASE.
JAMES MCKNIGHT, 1 1 2 EAST PEON REPRESENTING THE, UH, DEVELOPER IN THIS CASE.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, UH, LATE INTO THE EVENING.
UM, SO THIS IS, THIS WILL BE, UH, THE SECOND TIME FOR ME TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT THE FIRST TIME, I'M REALLY TRYING TO GO FOR A LITTLE MORE GLOBAL, UM, ASPECT.
LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE BRIEFLY, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS HAS COME THROUGH FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
IT WAS APPROVED, IT WAS ALMOST A YEAR AGO.
WE GLOBALLY HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS THAT WERE PART OF THE STIPULATIONS, AND SINCE THEN IT'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LISTENING TO COMMENTS.
UM, NUMEROUS D R C HERE, UM, COMMITTEE MEETINGS, H D R C MEETINGS.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING, I THINK WE HAVE MADE THE PROGRESS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE.
IT'S A LONG PROCESS, BUT WE ARE REALLY WORKING HARD AND HAVE, I BELIEVE, GOTTEN WHERE WE NEEDED TO GET.
SO THIS WAS THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY OF EARLY OF THIS YEAR, AND THIS WAS THE ELEVATION THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THAT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ON TRAIL STREET.
IT WAS, THIS IS THE IMPORTANT ONE I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS THREE STORIES FOR BUILDING FIVE, TWO STORIES FOR BUILDING SIX THAT HADN'T CHANGED ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
UM, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT HEIGHT AS WE, AS WE MOVED THROUGH THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROCESS AS, AS AN ARCHITECT, AS A DEVELOPER MOVES FORWARD, IT'S HOW MUCH MONEY CAN THEY SPEND? HOW, HOW DO WE DESIGN, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT IF WE MOVED FORWARD TO 75%, 80% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
SO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE STILL WILLING TO MAKE THOSE CONCESSIONS.
AND SO ACTUALLY WHAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED, LET ME SHOW THIS REALLY QUICKLY.
THE MAJOR CHANGE IS, IS, OH, OKAY.
UM, SO THOSE UNITS ON TRAIL STREET, AS YOU SAW THE CONCEPTUAL PROOF, IT WAS FOR THREE STORY, BUT IN TALKS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WAS A LOT OF OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HEIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, COULD WE REDUCE THE HEIGHT FOR OUR PROJECT? WE SAID WE CAN TALK ABOUT REDUCING HEIGHT THERE.
SO BUILDING FIVE FOR THOSE TWO UNITS, THAT'S WHAT, UH, STAFF WAS REFERRING TO THAT THEY WOULD, UM, RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT THOSE TWO UNITS MATCH BUILDING SIX.
AND THE REASON THAT WE HAVEN'T COME TO FULL, UM, DEVELOPMENT ON THAT ONE IS JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF TIME IN THE EXPENSE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY TRYING TO GET TO THAT POINT.
REDUCING IT FROM THREE STORIES DOWN TO TWO MEANS HAVING TO REDESIGN IT COMPLETELY FINE WITH DOING THAT.
WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE TIME OR THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT AT THIS MOMENT.