[00:00:10] >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY, IT'S A PACKED HOUSE TODAY. AND THE TIME IS NOW 2:02 P.M., ON JUNE 2ND, 2026. AND WE CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK. PLEASE CALL ROLL. >> CLERK: [Approval of Minutes  ] >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. WE'LL START OFF WITH APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND I ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES. WE DO HAVE A COUNCILMEMBERS OF [Public Comment  ] THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. AND YOU EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. AND WE HAVE TWO. WE WILL START WITH ART MARTINEZ AND FOLLOWED BY MR. HERNANDEZ. I AM ART MARTINEZ, AND I REPRESENT YELLOW ROSE HORSE CARRIAGE, HRH BLUEBONNET AND HORSE CARRIAGE COMPANIES. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER TODAY. JUST FOLLOWING UP FROM THE LAST MEETING, WE'D LIKE TO RE-URGE OUR REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION OF TIME IN OUR NEGOTIATED WIND DOWN TIMEFRAME TO ACCOUNT FOR THE LOSS OF THIS PAST HOLIDAY SEASON. IF YOU RECALL, STAFF CAME IN AND ADMITTED THAT THERE WERE ISSUES WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION ALLOWING ENFORCEMENT OF CERTAIN LOADING AREAS THAT PROHIBITED THE HORSE CARRIAGE OPERATORS FROM, UM, FROM FULLY OPERATING DURING THAT TIME. WHICH IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR ANNUAL INCOME. ADDITIONALLY, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF A PILOT PROGRAM TO DISCUSS ELECTRONIC CARRIAGES AND WE'RE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE. AND GIVE THAT A FAIR EVALUATION. BUT, AGAIN, WE THINK THAT WE NEED A SHORT EXTENSION OF TIME TO PLAY THAT THROUGH. ANY PILOT -- EVEN IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL -- IS GOING TO REQUIRE TWEAKS AND CHALLENGES AND LEAD TIME TO PURCHASE AND DELIVER AND THAT KIND OF THING AND WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING SHORT ON TIME. AND, LASTLY, WE'D LIKE TO AGAIN RE-URGE A CONSISTENT PUBLIC POLICY FROM THE CITY WITH WORKING ANIMALS. JUST AS THE CITY IS INVESTING IN RODEO VENUES, YOU KNOW, WORKING ANIMALS WITH OUR PD AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AND EVENTS SUCH AS TRAIL RIDES, WHICH FOLLOW ON OUR SAME RIDES, WE WOULD ASK TO HAVE THOSE SAME PUBLIC POLICIES WITH REGARD TO WORKING ANIMALS APPLIED TO HORSE CARRIAGE OPERATORS AND ALLOW US TO CONTINUE LONG TERM TO OPERATE IN OUR BELOVED CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ON THESE MATTERS. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANDRES R HERNANDEZ. >> HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS ANDRES HERNANDEZ, AND WITH A TRANSPORTATION COMPANY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. AND BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO AND I'VE BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND WITH MY CURRENT COMPANY, THAT I STARTED IN 2014. SO 12 YEARS THERE. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE ATTACHMENT TO THIS MEETING REGARDING THE LIMOUSINE INDUSTRY. AND I DO WANT TO JUST SAY ON BEHALF OF MY COMPANY, UM, I VERY MUCH DO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IS LISTED IN THE ATTACHMENT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT KNOWN AND, YOU KNOW, THE JOURNEY HERE HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING ONE TO SAY THE LEAST, BUT I AM VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT FROM THE MEETINGS LEADING UP TO THIS. AND ALSO SIMPLY TO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SAFETY ABOVE ALL IS GOING TO BE PARAMOUNT AND I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO ENFORCEMENT OF, UM, THE CHAPTER 33 AS IT IS WRITTEN TODAY. AND ALSO TO INCLUDE THE EXCHANGE THAT IS RECOMMENDED -- YOU KNOW, I HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND A LOT OF OPERATORS OUT THERE THAT DO NOT HAVE THEIR PROPER INSURANCE AND PROPER SAFETY IN PLACE AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S PRETTY SCARY. GOD FORBID IF THERE'S EVER AN ACCIDENT AND THEY ONLY HAVE PERSONAL INSURANCE -- PERSONAL INSURANCE IS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE IT'S FOR HIRE BECAUSE THERE'S NO COVERAGE. IT'S MADE VERY CLEAR. BUT OVERALL I LOVE THE, UM, THE DIRECTION THIS IS MOVING AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I VERY MUCH SUPPORT IT. SO THANK YOU FOR Y'ALL'S TIME. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH FOR COMING OUT TO SPEAK AND FOR BEING ENGAGED ON THESE ISSUES. WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE AND WE [Briefing and Possible Action on  ] HEAR BOTH OF YOUR FEEDBACK. WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO START OFF, WE HAVE THREE SEPARATE ITEMS AND WE'LL TAKE THEM AS THREE SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS. FOLLOWING EACH PRESENTATION, EACH COUNCILMEMBER WILL HAVE TWO FIVE-MINUTE ROUNDS TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FOLLOWING ITEM. WE'LL START OUT WITH ITEM 2, MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU PLEASE READ [00:05:04] THE CAPTION. >> CLERK: COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST BY COUNCILMEMBER JALEN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ ON THE CREATION OF A REAL-TIME NOTIFICATION SYSTEM FOR TRAINS APPROACHING OR STOPPED AT RAILROAD CROSSINGS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE AND THE TRACK THAT WE ARE HEADING AND, YES, THAT'S TRAIN HUMOR, IF Y'ALL GOT THAT. PAY ATTENTION, THERE'S MORE COMING. SO, ALL RIGHT, JUST A BIT OF A RECAP OF THE CCR. SO THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST WAS FILED BACK IN FEBRUARY BY COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ WITH HELPING SPECIFIC TO BLOCK CROSSINGS ON OUR RAILWAYS. SO THE CCR FOCUSED ON A HANDFUL OF KEY ITEMS AND ONE IS DEVELOPING STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS WITH LOCALLY AND ALSO POTENTIALLY THIRD-PARTY PROVIDERS AND APPLICATIONS FOR NAVIGATION SYSTEMS. AND ALSO LOOKING AT ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES, FOR DETECTION PURPOSES. AND THEN PILOTING THE SPECIFIC TECHNOLOGY AND HIGH-IMPACT CORRIDORS, AND THEN ENSURING EQUITABLE IMPLEMENTATION. AND REALLY FOCUSING ON THOSE AREAS THAT ARE RAIL ADJACENT, OFTEN IN UNDERSERVED AREAS AS WELL. SO SINCE THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE IN MARCH WE PARTNERED WITH THE EMERGING TECHNOLOGY TEAM, AND IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR, IT EVOLVED OUT OF THE SMART CITIES GROUP ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO AND FOCUSED ON EARLY DEPLOYMENT AND PROTOTYPING TECHNOLOGY AND IT'S A CITY TEAM YOU AND WILL HEAR FROM THEM SHORTLY. AND ALSO LOOKING AT TRYING TO FOSTER A COLLABORATIVE ENVIRONMENT OF THE LOCAL ECOSYSTEM OF TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENT. SO OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING BOTH WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS AND THE EMERGENCY TECHNOLOGY TEAM ON THIS, AND WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A BRIEF RECAP OF THE RESEARCH. AND I'M GOING TO PITCH IT HERE TO MATT HE'D WITH THE ISD TEAM TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE RESEARCH THEY'VE HELPED US WITH AND I'LL CLOSE IT OUT WITH THE NEXT STEPS. >> THANK YOU, ART. AND COUNCILMEMBERS, GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR HEARING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WORK THAT WE'VE GOT FOR YOU TODAY. WHEN WE TOOK ON THE ANALYSIS FOR THE RAILROAD CROSSING INITIATIVE THAT YOU PUT OUT, COUNCILMAN, WE DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE THREE LAYERS OR AREAS TO FOCUS ON. ONE IS THE DETECTION PIECE, SO GETTING TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN CONSTITUENT AS WELL AND LOOK AND DETERMINE THAT THERE'S A TRAIN. AND THE SECOND IS A DATA PREDICTION LAYER SO WE CAN NOT ONLY IDENTIFY THAT A TRAIN IS CROSSING AT AN INTERSECTION, BUT HOW FAST IS THAT TRAIN MOVING AND HOW LONG IS IT, SO WE CAN DO PREDICATIVE MODELING AROUND IT. AND THE FINAL PIECE IS THE COMMUNICATION PIECE. AND WE WANT TO PUSH THAT OUT TO VARIOUS CHANNELS. THOSE CHANNELS COULD BE SSMS PUSH MESSAGES FOR TEXT MESSAGING AND IT COULD BE TO OUR CAB SYSTEM FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND IT COULD BE TO RESIDENTS THAT MAY BE USING GOOGLE OR WAZE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND TO BE ABLE TO PUBLISH THAT INFORMATION ON OUR CITY WEBSITES. AND SO WITH THOSE THREE LAYERS IN MIND, WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS -- ARE THERE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE THAT CAN DO THIS. AND OUR RESEARCH DID NOT FIND THAT THERE WAS ANY SINGLE SOLUTION THAT COULD HANDLE ALL THREE OF THOSE LAYERS. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE DECIDED FROM THAT RESEARCH THAT A PROTOTYPE MIGHT BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR US. AND SO WITH THAT, THERE ARE THREE -- THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT, UM, CONSIDERATIONS. IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OH, THIS ONE? SORRY, Y'ALL. THAT THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS OF CHALLENGE, RISK AND ALSO OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD. ONE, AS WE MENTIONED THERE'S NO SINGLE VENDOR SOLUTION. SO WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS TO POTENTIALLY TO TRY TO BUILD THAT, WHICH IS KIND OF A COOL -- YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND THE SECOND PART IS THAT THE RAILROAD COMPANIES HAVE LIMITED INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO SHARE. THERE ARE CERTAIN SECURITY RISKS AROUND SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO KNOW FROM UNION PACIFIC, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN A TRAIN MAY BE CROSSING WITH THAT KIND OF FIDELITY OR SPECIFICITY OF INFORMATION. SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO RELY ON SENSORS TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THAT. BEING ABLE TO THEN -- THE THIRD PIECE IS ONE OF THE AREAS OF CONSIDERATION -- IS BEING ABLE TO TAKE THE INFORMATION IN AND BEING ABLE TO DISSEMINATE THAT TO OUR PUBLIC IN WHATEVER FORM THAT MAY BE. SO WE'LL WELL HAVE TO LOOK AT TT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO HAVE EXPRESSED A LITTLE BIT OF CHALLENGE AROUND. AND, FINALLY, WHICH I THINK THIS IS A VERY POSITIVE THING FOR US, IS THAT WE DO HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT OUT AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TO TAKE SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE ON SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN APPLY CERTAIN KIND OF SOLUTIONS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THIS OUT. THE PILOT WOULD THEN ALLOW FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT TOTAL COST OF [00:10:02] OWNERSHIP BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT THERE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO TRY TO DETERMINE. NOT ONLY THE COST OF DEVICES AND THE COSTS TO OUR COMPUTE AND THE COST TO OUR NETWORKS AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT THE PILOT SHOULD GIVE US ENOUGH GRANULARITY AROUND THAT, THAT FURTHER DISCUSSIONS COULD BE MADE. SO WITH THOSE CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO ART TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW WE SUGGEST THAT A PROTOTYPE WOULD WORK. THANK YOU. >> SO AS MATT MENTIONED WE'VE DONE A FAIR AMOUNT OF RESEARCH. AND THE RESEARCH, WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS WITH A VARIETY OF FOLKS. CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME THIRD-PARTY TECHNOLOGY PROVIDERS AND WEYMO, AS AN EXAMPLE AND THE EAST END DISTRICT OUT OF HOUSTON WHICH I KNOW THAT THE COUNCILMAN REFERENCED THE TRAIN INFO. AND ULTIMATELY WE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS HERE LOCALLY. SO IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WE LEARNED ABOUT SOME OF THE GREAT ADVANCEMENTS THEY HAVE MADE SORT OF IN THIS REALM. AND ONE BEING THEIR ACTIVE VISION TECHNOLOGY. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM SOUTHWEST RESEARCH HERE WITH US. AND SO IT'S BASICALLY AN A.I.-CAMERA DETECTION SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR A VARIETY OF USES AND NOT YET TRAINED DETECTION, BUT LOOKING AT WRONG-WAY DRIVING AND PEDESTRIAN DETECTION AND STALLED VEHICLES AND WILDLIFE AS SOME EXAMPLES. SO IT'S A TECHNOLOGY THAT SOUTHWEST RESEARCH HAS DEVELOPED AND THEY OWN THAT TECHNOLOGY, SO WE THOUGHT THAT THIS COULD BE POTENTIALLY BE A USE CASE FOR THAT. AND CONCURRENTLY THEY HAVE WORKED WITH DATA COMMUNICATION PLATFORMS PRIMARILY FOR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. THEY HAVE A TECHNICIAN CAPABILITY TO COMMUNICATE OUTWARDS TO THIRD-PARTY PROVIDERS. SO THESE TWO SYSTEMS DON'T CURRENTLY SPEAK TO EACH OTHER BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO EXPLORE THROUGH THIS. AND ACTIVE-VISION IS OWNED BY SOUTHWEST RESEARCH. AND THE DATA IS OWNED BY THE FLORIDA D.O.T. BUT THEY ALLOW THE SHARING OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO OTHER AGENCIES AND THE BEAUTY OF THAT IS THAT IT'S COLLABORATIVELY DEVELOPED AMONG AGENCIES. SO IF WE'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT COULD ENHANCE THE SYSTEM AND THEN OTHERS COULD USE IT AS WELL. AND SO THE PILOT THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH IS A PILOT WITH SOUTHWEST RESEARCH ON A COUPLE OF HIGH IMPACT LOCATIONS. SO BASICALLY DIVIDES THIS INTO THREE STEPS. SO ONE WOULD BE PILOTING THE DETECTION. SO AS I MENTIONED THE ACTIVE-VISION IS A PROVEN TECHNOLOGY, BUT NOT YET FOR DETECTING TRAINS. SO THERE WOULD BE SOME TIME TO, QUOTE, TRAIN THE MODEL -- THAT'S MY SECOND TRAIN HUMOR -- TO DETECT TRAINS. AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH WITH THEM. AND THEN TRYING TO GET INFORMATION FROM THAT, WHETHER IT'S JUST DETECTING A TRAIN OR IS IT LOOKING AT THE ARMS THAT COME DOWN OR FLASHING LIGHTS. SO WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THAT'S A SEVERAL MONTHS PROCESS. AND THEN ALSO WORKING WITH THE TEAM TO DEVELOP A KIND OF A PREDICTIVE ALGORITHM. SO IF A TRAIN IS DETECTED AT ONE LOCATION, AND THEN USING SOME LOGIC TO KNOW WHEN THAT TRAIN MAY BE AT THE NEXT DOWNSTREAM INTERSECTION, ETC. AND SO WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT. AND WITH THOSE TWO STEPS COMPLETE WORKING ON HOW WE GET THAT INFORMATION OUT AND WHETHER THAT'S INTERNALLY TO THE CITY TO DISPLACE SOMEWHERE ELSE OR POTENTIALLY TO THE THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS. SO THOSE ARE THE STEPS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING MOVING FORWARD WITH. AND WE ARE FINALIZING THAT KIND OF PILOT APPROACH INTERNALLY AND WITH SOUTHWEST RESEARCH. AND THEN KIND OF THE PLAN WOULD BE TO START WORKING ON THAT OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS AND REPORT BACK -- PROBABLY BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR TO THE COMMITTEE ON THE PROGRESS AND WHERE WE'RE AT. AND THEN MOVING FORWARD. SO WITH THAT -- THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. AND I WANT TO ALSO TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE FOR HOW QUICKLY YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE ON THIS, AND RESEARCH THAT YOU HAVE CONDUCTED AND HOW THOROUGH YOU HAVE ABOUT BEEN AND I FEEL THAT WE HAVE REACHED A SOLID POINT. AND I'M EAGER TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY. WHEN I FIRST ANNOUNCED THE CCR THAT WE HAD FILED AND POSTED ABOUT IT ACROSS SOCIAL MEDIA, WE RECEIVED OVER 700 COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS FROM ALL OVER THE CITY WHO EXPRESSED THEIR FRUSTRATION AS THEY APPROACH TRAINS. AND HOW SOMETIMES THEY'RE STUCK FOR AN HOUR AT TIMES. AND IT'S REALLY INCONVENIENT. JUST THE OTHER DAY I WAS ON EISENHOWER AND IT WAS ABOUT 8:30 IN THE MORNING AND I'M ON THE WAY TO SESSION AND MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THE WAY TO WORK AND THERE'S A TRAIN MOVING. AND WE UNDERSTAND AT THE CITY THAT WE GET CONCERNS ABOUT UNION PACIFIC ALL OF THE TIME, ABOUT TRAINS. AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT WE CAN DO BY WAY OF REGULATION. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THE OVERPASSES AND WE'D LOVE TO RE-ROUTE THE TRAINS AND WE KNOW THAT ULTIMATELY THAT IS A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR EXPENSE THAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT AND IT'S NOT QUITE FEASIBLE TO ALLEVIATE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ACROSS THE CITY. AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SHORT TERM AND MORE COST-EFFECTIVE APPROACHES TO THE ISSUE, AND SO I AM -- THIS IS -- THIS PRESENTATION WAS REALLY EXCITING TO ME. AND I CAN'T WAIT TO PROVIDE THIS UPDATE TO CERTAINLY MY CONSTITUENTS AND TO ANY OF THOSE [00:15:05] AROUND THE CITY WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS. WHAT IS ALSO INTERESTING TO ME ON SLIDE 5, YOU MENTIONED THE DATA EXCHANGE OF COMMUNICATION PIECE. AND THIS IS POTENTIALLY -- POTENTIALLY A SOLUTION THAT WILL HAVE A STATE-WIDE IMPACT. HOW WOULD THAT -- I GUESS, HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> SO, WHEN WE REFERENCED THE STATE-WIDE SYSTEM ON THE DEPOT SYSTEM AS SOUTHWEST RESEARCH CALLS IT, SO THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND USING A SOLUTION -- I THINK THAT THEY'VE ALSO ACTIVATED IN PENNSYLVANIA FOR AN AGENCY. SO WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT HERE LOCALLY IS JUST WITH THE CITY AND, OF COURSE, THAT COULD BE SCALED IN THE FUTURE, WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO FOR, SO I GUESS THAT TO GET TO THAT END, RIGHT, IS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IMPLEMENTS THIS AND WE GET TO A REALLY STRONG PLACE. AND THEN ULTIMATELY OTHER CITIES CAN THEN OPT IN TO A SOLUTION THAT'S ALREADY PRETTY MUCH FLUSHED OUT? >> YEAH, SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS WITH THIS, VERSUS MAYBE A PILOT WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY, IS THAT THIS IS MORE SCALABLE TO GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. SO, LIKE I MENTIONED THE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS OWNED BY F.D.O.T., THEY'RE SORT OF THROUGH AN AGREEMENT THAT CAN BE USED ELSEWHERE AS WELL. SO THAT SAME MINDSET COULD BE DEPLOYED ACROSS THE STATE OR OTHER STATES, VERSUS SOMEONE HAVING TO GO WITH A PRIVATE COMPANY TO IMPLEMENT THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE. >> AND, COUNCILMAN, I WANTED -- YOU MENTIONED THE SPEED THAT WE'RE MOVING AND I WANTED TO GIVE -- AND YOU HEARD FROM MATT, BUT ALSO MATT AND LAUREN'S TEAM DID A TON OF RESEARCH FOR US AND I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT AND WE HAVE A BUNCH OF IDEAS ON HOW TO DO. THIS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU FOR THE TREMENDOUS TEAM EFFORT AND I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPRESSIVE MOVING FORWARD AND THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO ONLY CONTINUE TO HONE IN ON THAT COLLABORATION. SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. ON SLIDE SIX, THE RECOMMENDED PILOT. CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COST OF THE PILOT AND WHAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT AND ANY DECISIONS THAT WE MIND HAVE TO MAKE IN THE BUDGET. AND THEN SCALING IT UPWARDS ONCE IT'S BEYOND THE PILOT, WHAT DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT LOOK LIKE LONG TERM? >> SO, YEAH, WE'RE STILL FINALIZING EXACTLY THAT AMOUNT. I'LL BE HONEST, IT'S A COST THAT I'M LOOKING TO TRY TO COVER THROUGH OPERATIONS BECAUSE IT WILL BE A SMALLER DEPLOYMENT. THAT WAY WE CAN GET EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU AS COUNCIL IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER A FULL-SCALE, THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY BE FOR THE 2028 BUDGET. BUT THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO KIND OF WORK OUT THE KINKS AND TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. SO WE'RE ARE STILL WORKING OUT WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE WITH SOUTHWEST RESEARCH. BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO JUST TRY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WITH CURRENT OPERATIONS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THAT'S REALLY EXCITING TO ME. AND I'M WONDERING, I GUESS, WHAT I'D BE INTERESTED FOR THE FEEDBACK FOR THE COMMITTEE -- WE HAVE HEARD -- THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT THIS TOPIC. DO WE WANT IT -- DO WE WANT THE UPDATE TO COME TO TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE AFTER THE PILOT? OR DO WE WANT A B SESSION? SO ANY COUNCIL COMMENTS/DISCUSSION? COUNCILMEMBER SPEARS. >> SPEARS: I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT. I LOVE THAT YOU MOVED SO FAST. IT'S MAYBE THE FASTEST THAT I'VE SEEN US DO ANYTHING TO DATE. SO I'M REALLY -- [LAUGHTER] I'M REALLY IMPRESSED BY HOW QUICKLY THE CCR CAME TOGETHER, REALLY. HOW -- HOW -- I WANT TO SEE HOW TO IN THE PILOT, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF THE PILOT IN THE PUBLIC -- LIKE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INTEGRATING IT YET INTO SOFTWARE NECESSARILY. WHICH I PREDICT THAT IT PROBABLY WILL AND WILL DO A GREAT JOB WITH IT AND EVERYTHING. BUT I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY IDEA HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO -- I GUESS THAT THERE'S THE AWARENESS CAMPAIGN FIRST TOO, AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT OF HOW YOU SEE THIS ROLLING OUT? >> YEAH, RIGHT NOW OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE A CONCEPT THAT WE'RE ABLE -- WITH THE TECHNOLOGY -- NUMBER ONE, TO DETECT THE TRAINS. AND THEN, SECONDLY, GET THAT MESSAGE OUT THERE TO A PLATFORM. AND SO THAT'S OUR IMMEDIATE STEPS IS TO GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED AND THEN WE'D COME BACK. BUT, CERTAINLY, AS WE WOULD MAYBE ROLL THIS OUT IN THE FUTURE THEN WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT ASPECT. SO I THINK THAT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS ON THE TECHNOLOGY ASPECT WE CAN ALSO BE FLUSHING THAT OUT, OKAY, ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS. BUT REALLY WE WANT TO GET WORKING WITH SOUTHWEST AND GETTING THE TECHNOLOGY GOING AND SEE HOW THAT ROLLS OUT. >> SPEARS: OKAY. YEAH, I THINK -- AND THEN I'M INTERESTED TO SEE THE FINANCIAL PLAN MOVING FORWARD. I LOVE THAT IT IS COLLABORATIVE WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I AGREE THAT IT'S PROBLEMATIC TO SIT FOR A VERY LONG TIME WHEN YOU'RE ALREADY LATE, WHICH IS USUALLY THE CASE. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY A GREAT IDEA. AND, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PILOT FIRST [00:20:03] BEFORE IT GETS TO A B SESSION. THAT WAY -- BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY'LL HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL HAVE AND WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE THEM ANSWERED. SO I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT WORK. THANKS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER ALDERETE GAVITO. >> ALDERETE GAVITO: YEAH, THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WANT TO DITTO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS. IT IS GREAT WORK. AND I LOVED THAT IT MOVED SO FAST AND I LOVE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH SWRI, ALL GOOD. AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO COME BACK HERE BEFORE B SESSION. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: COUNCILMEMBER MUNGIA. >> MUNGIA: YES, IT SEEMS GREAT. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY EVENTUALLY TO HAVE IT TO BE ON YOUR LIKE APPLE MAPS, FOR EXAMPLE? SO AS YOU NAVIGATE APPLE MAPS RIGHT NOW AND IT WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A CRASH AHEAD OR SOMETHING, IS THERE A WAY TO INTEGRATE THAT INTO AN APP LIKE THAT? >> THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH WAZE AND, ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S A GOAL FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS. OFF TOPIC, BUT IT'S SPEAKING TO APPLE MAPS AND SO THAT'S A GOAL OF OURS IS TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE. WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THIS PILOT OR THROUGH OUR STREET CLOSURES FOR CONSTRUCTION AND OTHER UPDATES. >> MUNGIA: THAT'S GREAT. I THINK WHAT IT COULD ALSO DO -- BECAUSE I HAD THIS SITUATION HAPPEN IN MY DISTRICT WHERE IT'S A QUIET ZONE, AND THE TRAIN WAS BLOWING THE HORN FOR MILES, RIGHT, AND KEEPING PEOPLE UP. AND I GOT A LOT OF CALLS ON IT. AND SO IT'S PROBABLY LIKE A SENSOR ISSUE OR SOMETHING THAT HADN'T BEEN REPLACED. SO OUT OF SAFETY ISSUES THEY HAD TO BLOW THE HORN ALL THE WAY THROUGH. BUT EVEN THINGS LIKE THAT, PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO AND THEY WERE BLAMING OUR OFFICE FOR THAT. AND SO I THINK IT ALSO WOULD HELP WHEN THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, QUIET ZONES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT. >> YEAH, AND YOU MENTIONED QUIET ZONES, COUNCILMAN. SOME OF THE VENDORS THAT WE TALKED TO, THEIR DETECTION IS MORE ACUTIVE BASED WHICH COULD BE A CHALLENGE FOR THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE QUIET ZONES IN AND SO WE'RE LOOKING MORE FOR VISUAL AND CAMERA BASED. >> MUNGIA: RIGHT. BUT WHEN THINGS HAPPEN WITH INTERSECTIONS AND LETTING PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH IT SO THEY'RE NOT JUST THINKING THAT THE CONDUCTOR IS BLOWING THE HORN OR SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO. AND THAT WAS THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAD IS THAT THERE WAS NOWHERE FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT, OTHER THAN TO CALL US AND FOR US TO CALL UNION PACIFIC. SO I WOULD ADD AS YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THAT, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE IT BACK AT THE COMMITTEE AS A FINAL REVIEW. THANKS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS/COMMENTS? I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE HAVE A MOTION. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MADAM CLERK, CAN YOU READ THE CAPTION FOR ITEM 3. >> CLERK: BRIBRIEFING AND UPDATN THE CONDITIONS OF CITY-OWNED FACILITIES TO INCLUDE USE-TYPE, AGE, AND HISTORICAL INVESTMENT. >> HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCILMEMBERS, MIKE SHANNON. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE CITY FACILITIES AND THIS IS US COMING BACK TO YOU AND WE WERE BACK HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO SO, UM -- SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS. A CONVERSATION THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT BACK IN JANUARY, WE WERE HERE AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CITY FACILITIES. WE TALKED ABOUT OUR EXISTING PROCESSES OF HOW WE MAINTAIN THEM. AND HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE, HOW DO WE PICK FUNDING SOURCES. WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE, UM, PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF FACILITIES, A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS AND WE HAVE A BUDGET AND THE BOND PROCESS AND CERTAINLY THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING NOW AND GETTING READY FOR THE NEXT BOND. AND WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUCKETS OF MONEY. WHETHER IT'S CALLED DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OR BOND MONEY -- NON-BOND MONEY, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT DOLLARS. SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT. AND YOUR REQUEST TO ME WAS TO COME BACK WITH A COMPREHENSIVE LIST, WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF FACILITIES CAN YOU PUT TOGETHER A LIST THAT IDENTIFIES THE AGE OF OUR FACILITIES, THE TYPE OF FACILITIES. LAST MAJOR RENOVATIONS WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT. SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER A LITTLE SUMMARY OF THAT AND THEN WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU THE LIST BECAUSE I THINK THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE USING, NOT ONLY IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS AS WE FIGURE OUT WHICH PROJECTS TO DO, BUT CERTAINLY IN THE BLOND THE D PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. SO A LITTLE BIT OF OUR FACILITIES AT A GRANS. SO THESE ARE BIG NUMBERS WE HAVE ALMOST 900 FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE ON OUR BOOKS. WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT WE GATHERED ALL OF OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS AND WE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THE LISTS THAT YOU HAVE OF ALL OF YOUR CITY FACILITIES, SOME OF THEM MAJOR, AND SOME OF THEM NOT MAJOR. BUT IT'S JUST UNDER 900, AND SO WE WILL CALL THEM STRUCTURES OUR FACILITIES. REALLY THOUGH THAT'S JUST OVER 300 BUILDINGS, RIGHT, 322 -- WE CALL THEM PRIMARY BUILDINGS. SO NOT EVERYTHING IS A PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO THINK OF A PARK AND IT MAY [00:25:03] HAVE A BUNCH OF SHADE STRUCTURES AND THOSE ARE SUPER IMPORTANT INVESTMENTS THAT WE HAVE MADE TO BIG AND SMALL PARKS SO WE CERTAINLY WANT TO CATALOG THOSE AND WE HAVE THOSE IN OUR INVENTORY AND WE'LL MAINTAIN THOSE OVER TIME, OF COURSE. BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CITY-OWNED FACILITIES OR CITY FACILITIES A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE THINKING OF POLICE STATIONS AND FIRE STATIONS AND LIBRARIES AND COMMUNITY CENTERS AND BUILDINGS LIKE THIS CITY HALL. SO ABOUT A THIRD OF THOSE ARE ACTUAL BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES. A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OLD BUILDINGS. OUR OLDEST BUILDING ON THE BOOK IS THE SPANISH GOVERNOR'S PALACE, RIGHT, WHICH IS OVER 300 YEARS OLD, 1722. AND I THREW THAT UP THERE. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE TO TALK ABOUT THE AGE OF FACILITIES AND SOME OLDER AND SOME NEWER BUT I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN A SECOND. AND ANOTHER NUMBER TO THROW OUT THERE. ONE OF THE BUCKETS OF FUNDING THAT WE USE TO MAINTAIN OUR FACILITIES IS CALLED OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE BUCKET, OR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PROJECTS. REALLY ABOUT $5 MILLION A YEAR OR SO, PLUS OR MINUS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST 10 YEARS, ABOUT $56 MILLION. THAT MONEY IS REALLY TO JUST KEEP THE BUILDINGS OPERATED AND MAINTAINED AND LITTLE ROOF REPLACE AND MAYBE HVAC REPLACEMENT AND CARPET AND PAINTING AND THOSE TYPE OF JOBS. NOT A COMPLETE RENOVATION LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN A BOND OR LARGE-SCALE CAPITAL. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. BUT NOT UNLIKE YOUR HOME OR IF YOU OWN A SMALL COMMERCIAL BUILDING YOU YOU ARE CONSTANTLY MAINTAINING YOUR BUILDING TO KEEP IT GOING. SO WE DO HAVE THAT AND THAT'S JUST IN THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO. AND NOT INCLUDED IN THE 898 FACILITIES ARE SOME CITY-OWNED FACILITIES AND 124 THAT WE LEASE OUT TO OTHERS. SO WE DO KEEP TRACK OF THAT. AND EACH HAS A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH WHOEVER THE TENANT OR THE TENANTS ARE AND AND IT DESCRIBES WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING WHAT IN THAT FACILITY. SOME OF THOSE ARE DIFFERENT. WE USUALLY HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY AND THE TENANTS HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY AND THOSE VARY. AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE 53 SPACES THAT WE LEASE FROM OTHERS, RIGHT. SO WE MAY HAVE A SMALL CLINIC SPACE THAT WE'RE LEASING FROM ANOTHER OWNER. SO THERE'S ABOUT 53 OF THOSE. SO THE LIST THAT WE HAVE WILL SHOW ALL OF THOSE. AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT. BUT, AGAIN, OVER A THOUSAND FACILITIES OR STRUCTURES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WE MAINTAIN. AND SO THIS IS JUST A LIST OF CITY-OWNED FACILITIES BY KIND OF THAT PRIMARY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. AND YOU LOOK AT FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND CCDO, AND PARKS AND RECS AND AVIATION AND ALL THE WAY DOWN. THERE'S THE 322 -- WE HAVE AN "OTHER" IN THERE WHICH SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, THEY ONLY HAVE HALF A DOZEN OR A DOZEN OR SO. SO WE JUST LUMPED THE LAST 25 IN THERE. AND WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UM, THAT HAD 576. BUT YOU SEE THAT I USED PARKS AND REC AS ONE OF MY EXAMPLES FOR ACCESSORY AND THEY HAVE THE MOST ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND SHADE STRUCTURES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS FALL UNDER THAT. BUT ALL OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS GENERALLY HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS PRIMARY ACCESSORY. AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ALL ADD UP TO THE ALMOST 900. AND YOU ASKED ABOUT THE AGE OF FACILITIES SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT WHEN THEY WERE BUILT. AND YOU LOOK -- I JUST KIND OF PUT THEM IN BUCKETS OF 25 YEARS OR LESS AND MAYBE 26-50 AND THEN OLDER THAN THAT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN. BUT WE CLEARLY HAVE A LOT OF OLDERS, YOU KNOW, 51 YEARS OR MORE, OVER 130 OF THEM. AND THEN 90 PLUS IN THAT MIDDLE-AGED GROUP. AND THEN SOME OF THE NEWER FACILITIES, JUST UNDER A HUNDRED RIGHT THERE. BUT, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT SURPRISING. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER FACILITIES. NOT JUST THE 300-YEAR-OLD ONE THAT I TALKED ABOUT, THE SPANISH GOVERNOR'S PALACE, BUT MANY THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 50 PLUS, 70, 80 YEARS AND MORE. BUT WE'RE CONSTANTLY BRINGING ON NEW FACILITIES, RIGHT. SO WE SEE THAT IN JUST ABOUT EVERY BOND CYCLE. WE HAVE FIRE STATIONS THAT WE'RE BUILDING AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AND THE WORLD HERITAGE CENTER WAS JUST RECENTLY BUILT AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO WE DO HAVE A MIX OF AGENCIES AND CERTAINLY WE KNOW THAT THE OLDER THAT A BUILDING GETS, UM, IT USUALLY TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE LOVE AND CARE AND MONEY TO MAINTAIN. SO -- BUT, AGAIN, THAT'S THE BREAKDOWN OF THE FACILITIES THERE. AND NOW I WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME ABOUT -- WHAT HAVE WE BEEN PUTTING OUR MONEY INTO, WHAT FACILITIES HAVE, UM, HAVE HAD INVESTMENTS, EITHER MAINTAINING OR RENOVATING? OR WE HAVE NEW ONES THAT HAVE COME ONLINE AS WELL. THIS JUST REPRESENTS THAT $56 MILLION OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. SO IN ABOUT 10 YEARS' TIME AND WHERE THAT MONEY HAS GONE, YOU KNOW, PARKS HAS ALL OF THOSE FACILITIES. BUT WE SUMMED IT UP BY DEPARTMENT. AND THE DETAILED LIST WILL HAVE DETAILED FACILITY INVESTMENTS GOING BACK ABOUT 10 YEARS FROM THAT FUND. SO WE JUST LISTED THEM OUT THERE. [00:30:03] AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FUND THAT WE LOOK AT EACH YEAR THAT I TALKED ABOUT WITH GENERAL MAINTENANCE FOR BUILDINGS -- LIKE I SAID, ROOF REPLACEMENTS AND SOME HVAC STUFF. WHEN WE LOOK BACK ABOUT 10 YEARS' TIME, OUT OF THOSE 322 PRIMARY FACILITIES, THOSE BUILDINGS -- REALLY THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SOME HAD RECENTLY COMPLETED IMPROVEMENTS ON OUR BOOKS, RIGHT. AND THAT'S OVER 300 -- ALMOST $350 MILLION OF APPROXIMATE INVESTMENT RIGHT THERE. AND NOW THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETED YET. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEW AVIATION TERMINAL. AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEW FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THE NEW POLICE STATION UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THE L.O. AUSTIN PROJECT UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND I HAVEN'T PUT THOSE IN THIS LIST YET BUT THE MONEY AND INVESTMENT IS ALLOCATED TOWARDS THOSE. I THINK THAT WE CAN GROW THIS LIST TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE, BUT THOSE WILL CERTAINLY COME ONLINE WHEN THEY ARE FINISHED AND THEY WILL BE COUNTED IN THE RECENT INVESTMENT. AND, AGAIN, THE FUNDING THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT UTILIZES MANY DIFFERENT VARIETIES, WHETHER IT BE THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, THE BOND INTO THE FACILITIES, AND THEN ANY OTHER CAPITAL BUDGET THAT WE DO EACH YEAR. YOU REMEMBER EACH YEAR IN OUR BUDGET WE LOOK AT THE SIX-YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET. AND KIND OF PLANNING OUT SOME OF THESE BIG PROJECTS EACH YEAR, GOING DOWN SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SO THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF SOME OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE -- AGAIN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE -- ALMOST 900 FACILITIES, AND ABOUT A THIRD OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY BUILDINGS. WE HAVE SOME LEASED FACILITIES AND WE LEASE OUT A FEW SPACES. BUT I THINK THAT WHAT YOU ALL BROUGHT TO US BACK IN JANUARY WAS -- AND I THINK THAT I SHARED THIS WITH YOU -- A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HAD A LOT OF THIS DATA. AND I THINK THAT GATHERING ALL OF THIS WAS -- IT WAS A PRETTY CHALLENGING EXERCISE, ACTUALLY. I HAVE A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS HERE AND WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS AND WORKING THROUGH DATABASES AND SYSTEMS TO GRAB THIS DATA. AND WE NEED TO MAINTAIN, AND NOT ONLY THROUGH THE BOND CYCLES BUT CONTINUE TO REFINE THIS LIST, RIGHT. THIS LIST REALLY SHOULD BE MAINTAINED, KIND OF CONSOLIDATED AND BE READILY AVAILABLE FOR NOT ONLY YOU, BUT US, AND THE PUBLIC, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR INVENTORY OF ASSETS, BUILDINGS AND ACCESSORIES AND AS WE BRING NEW ASSETS ONLINE OR WE RENOVATE, AND DO LARGE INVESTMENTS, WE UPDATE THAT LIST SO THAT WE CAN USE IT AND MAKE DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD. SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS FROM OUR END ANYWAY. AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. AND, AGAIN, WE HAVE A LIST OF 898 FACILITIES AND WE'LL SHARE THAT -- AND ALL OF THOSE DETAILS WITH YOU. BUT WE WANTED TO CERTAINLYBIVE FEEDBACK TODAY ON ANYTHING THAT I SHARED. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S WORK ON THIS AND THIS WAS ONE OF MY PRIORITIES WHEN I BECAME THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE TO ME IT WAS A LITTLE CHILD THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST AND THEY WERE BEING MANAGED SO SEPARATELY. AND I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE NOW IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN COMPARE ACROSS -- ACROSS THE DEPARTMENTS, ACROSS DISTRICTS, AND, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THE FACILITIES BEING MAINTAINED. AND ARE THEY AND ARE THERE ANY BLIND SPOTS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. AND MY HOPE IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO REVIEW SOME OF THIS INFORMATION GOING INTO, OF COURSE THE BUDGET -- AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WORK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET DONE THROUGH THE BUDGET, BUT ESPECIALLY DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THE BOND. AND SO I DID -- AND I NEGLECTED TO READ THE COUNCILMEMBER'S COMMENTS ON ITEM 2, AND I WILL SUBMIT HER MEMO FOR THE RECORD. BUT WITH THIS ONE SHE RITY RIDS THE REQUEST THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE -- WHAT DR. KAUR WANTS TO SEE IS A SPREADSHEET THAT INCLUDES THE BUILDING, WHICH DEPARTMENT IS USING IT, WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING IS, WHAT THE LAST TIME THAT THE MAINTENANCE WAS PERFORMED, COST ESTIMATE FOR ANY MAINTENANCE NEEDS IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND COST ASSESSMENTS ON THE NEXT 10 YEARS. IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IN THIS -- YOU KNOW, YOU OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T ABLE TO PUT 900 STRUCTURES IN A PRESENTATION FOR US, BUT YOU DO HAVE A SPREADSHEET. DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION, MOST OF THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, AND IS THERE ANY GAP? >> FIRST HALF OF WHAT SHE IS ASKING FOR I THINK WE HAVE. AND ESTIMATING OUT FIVE OR 10 YEARS SOME MAINTENANCE NEEDS AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME IDEAS BUT WE PROBABLY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THE 900. AND WE CAN START WITH MAYBE THE 300 BUILDINGS. WE DO HAVE SOME NEEDS THAT WE KNOW OF, BUT I'D PROBABLY WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT WITH OUR TEAMS THINKING 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT AND IT CERTAINLY WILL BE IMPORTANT AS WE GET INTO THE BOND PROGRAM, WHERE WE HAVE IT EVERY FIVE YEARS, RIGHT. SO TO KNOW WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE IN FIVE, 10 YEARS ALLOWS US TO THINK, HEY, IS THERE A PROJECT THAT WILL AT SOME POINT NEED TWO PHASES WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS AND WHAT ARE THE LOW-HANGING FRUITS. HOW DO WE PREVENT SOME OF THE NEEDS FROM GETTING WORSE THROUGH INVESTMENT NOW AND OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. SO I THINK THAT ALL OF THAT IS [00:35:04] GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. IF WE CAN ADD THAT ON AS A RECURRING -- SORT OF RECURRING PROCESS THAT TAKES PLACE. >> SURE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: AND THEN HOW SOON CAN YOU GET US THE SPREADSHEET? AND IS IT PRETTY USER-FRIENDLY? >> I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY ABOUT A WEEK TO MAKE IT USER-FRIENDLY. I THINK THAT I WANT TO GIVE IT TO YOU SO IT'S SORTABLE AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO LATE THIS WEEK AND EARLY NEXT WEEK WE CAN GET YOU THE LIST. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: OKAY, IF YOU COULD E-MAIL IT TO EACH OF US. >> YEP. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: EXCELLENT. ANY COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER ALDERETE GAVITO. >> ALDERETE GAVITO: WE WILL LOOK FORWARD FOR THAT SPREADSHEET AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT IT IS USABLE. THAT'S IMPORTANT. NO, I WANTED TO ALSO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM'S WORK FOR FINDING A NEW HOME FOR FIRE STATION 10, WHICH I KNOW THAT IS PART OF THE 2017 BOND PROJECT. SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN MEETING TO JUST LET YOU ALL KNOW WITH MIKE AND HIS TEAM ALMOST WEEKLY ON THIS SO THAT WAY WE'RE GETTING PROGRESS ON IT. SO IT'S NEEDED IN OUR AREA. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SPEARS. >> SPEARS: I APPRECIATE THIS A LOT. BECAUSE I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS SPREADSHEET AND I DO LIKE TO LOOK AT A GOOD SPREADSHEET. SO I WOULD THINK WHAT COUNCILMEMBER KAUR SAID THAT WE NEEDED TO SEE IS REALLY GOOD, BUT I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, WITH BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT SWEET SPOT WHERE HURRY UP AND FIX IT OR IT BECOMES TOO MUCH TO FIX IT. OR NOT WORTH IT -- WE CAN'T AFFORD TO TEAR IT DOWN. OR WE CAN'T REMEDIATE IT. LIKE, THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING TOO. AND THEN ALSO IF THERE'S A RECOMMENDED USE, LIKE MAYBE THERE'S SOME LEASES THAT WE COULD MOVE INTO AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WE HAVE THAT -- WHEN WE DID THE LEASE, WE DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WORKED OR WE DIDN'T NEED THAT MUCH SPACE, OR WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH SPACE -- RECOMMENDED USE WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME. OR IF IT'S JUST STRAIGHT-UP TEAR DOWN, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW -- SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO HAVE STATUTORILY REQUIRED UPDATES. ARE WE UP-TO-DATE ON THAT, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE POLICE AND FIRE STATIONS? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER SEPARATELY? OR HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT? >> WELL, I WOULD SAY -- I WOULD SAY, UM, ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS GENERALLY HAVE -- LIKE, THERE'S SOME REQUIRED MAINTENANCE BY OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES OR STATE LAW THAT SAY THESE SYSTEMS OR THESE PARTS OF THE BUILDING HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED REGULARLY. WHETHER IT'S THROUGH INSPECTIONS OR TESTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AT A -- IT COULD BE QUARTERLY OR ANNUAL OR BIANNUAL BASIS. SO I THINK OF OUR SAFETY SYSTEMS IN BUILDINGS LIKE THIS. AND THEY ARE CONSTANTLY BEING MAINTAINED AND/OR FIXED IF NEEDED AND JUST TO MEET STATE CODE OR LOCAL CODE. SO THAT'S HAPPENING WITH EVERY BUILDING. BUT IF YOU THINK OF ANY OTHER STATE STATUTES, I CAN'T THINK OFF OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT I CAN ASK OUR TEAMS OR GET WITH YOU SEPARATELY TO TALK ABOUT THAT. >> SPEARS: YEAH, ALSO I'M THINKING WITH 900 BUILDINGS, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO THIS IS JUST A LOST CAUSE, YOU KNOW? AND THERE'S SOME THAT WE SAY IF WE INVEST NOW WE CAN REALLY REHAB AND MAKE THIS USEFUL AND THEN HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT. AND CAN WE SELL THIS TO SOMEBODY AND TEY USE IT AND IT'S NOT REALLY GREAT FOR US ANYMORE. AND THEN THE ONES THAT WE CAN REPURPOSE -- WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOUSING A LOT -- YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT COULD BE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER -- I'M JUST TRYING -- I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, LIKE, WE HAVE 900 BUILDINGS -- ARE WE USING THEM EFFICIENTLY. AND SOME OF THEM ARE DOGS, I KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS. AND ESPECIALLY WITH A CITY WITH SO MUCH HISTORY, WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND THERE'S SOME THAT WE COULD JUST PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO AND IT BECOMES THE PERFECT THING FOR WHATEVER WE NEED IT TO BE. SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF ASSESSMENTS THAT I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT, WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO LOOK AT 900 BUILDINGS MYSELF. THAT WOULD TAKE A WHILE. BUT I APPRECIATE IT A LOT AND THIS IS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU DID IT. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MUNGIA. >> MUNGIA: THAT LIST -- ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THE COUNCIL DISTRICT OF THE BUILDINGS ARE IN? >> OH, YES. ALL OF THAT -- ALL OF THE PERTINENT INFORMATION -- ADDRESS, COUNCIL DISTRICT AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. >> MUNGIA: I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER'S KAUR SPECIFICITY ON WHAT HAS BEEN FIXED IN EACH BUILDING, RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE A $700,000 PRICE TAG AND LET'S JUST SAY MILLER'S POND AND VERSUS $60,000 AT THE LIBRARY, BUT THIS WAS TO FIX A RESTROOM AND THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TO ADD SOMETHING NICEE BUILDING -- ENHANCEMENTS. SO I THINK IS IMPORTANT. AND I ALSO WONDER IF WE HAVE ACROSS THE BOARD SOME SORT OF MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR BUILDINGS SO THAT WE SAY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE ADD OR WE DO SOMETHING NEW, [00:40:03] WE WANT EVERY BUILDING TO HAVE A ROOF THAT LASTS FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME AND A.C. FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME -- JUST MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE BUILDINGS ARE AT THE SAME LEVEL STANDARD BEFORE WE GO AND DO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS IN OTHER PLACES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE SEEN? I KNOW THAT YOU'RE PRETTY NEW TO THIS ROLE BUT -- >> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE FOR BUILDING. WHAT WE DO HAVE KIND OF THINKING OF THE OVERALL WE HAVE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS AND BUILDING CODES AND ELECTRICAL CODE AND ALL OF THOSE ARE MINIMUM STANDARDS THAT ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS HAVE TO MEET. SO THERE'S ONE LEVEL RIGHT THERE JUST TO BE SAFE, COMPLIANT, AND WE DO HAVE BUILDINGS -- WHEN WE BUILD A NEW BUILDING THE CODES ARE A LITTLE MORE STRINGENT, RIGHT. AND THEN WHEN WE ASSESS A BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, TO -- YOU KNOW, TO DETERMINE ANY PRIOR PRIORITY UPGRAGRADES AND INTERNY OR WE BRING IN ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS TO HELP US TO PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, IF THE A.C. IS ON ITS LAST LEG OR CAN WE PUT A LITTLE MORE DUCT TAPE ON IT. OR DO WE HAVE TO REALLY KOREA PAIR IT TO GET ANOTHER 10 OR 20 YEARS LIFE ON IT. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A SCORING SYSTEM FOR EACH BUILDING. IT REMINDS ME A QUESTION AT THE B SESSION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND IN TERMS OF OPERATIONAL STANDARDS. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT AND MAYBE BRING BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. >> MUNGIA: I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING INTERESTS, AND I MEAN, 900 BUILDINGS AND EVERYONE WANTS SOMETHING IN THOSE BUILDINGS. A LOT OF TIMES, GREAT, WE GOT THE A.C. FIXED AT JOHNSON LIBRARY BUT I WAS ACROSS TOWN AT CODEY AND THEY HAVE ALL OF THIS NEW STUFF AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF EQUITY WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE IN GENERAL. NOT JUST LOCATION -- BUT FOR THE FACILITY ITSELF, THAT IT'S UP TO STANDARD. EVEN WHEN WE BUILD NEW BUILDINGS, RIGHT, I HEARD FROM AN OFFICER WHO WAS GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE ST. MARY'S LOCATION AND DIDN'T HAVE A PARKING SPOT OR A DESK. BRAND-NEW BUILDING AND WE WERE UNDER -- WE WERE, UM, OVER CAPACITY ALREADY. RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT'S JUST A QUESTION OF STAFFING APPROPRIATENESS OVER THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND SO I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A BALANCE ACROSS -- THE SAME THING, RIGHT, AND WE HAVE THE MAYFIELD SUBSTATION ON THE SOUTHSIDE, AND TWO NEW POLICE STATIONS AND THAT ONE I THINK HAS BEEN UNTOUCHED SINCE PROBABLY THE 1990S. I JOKE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE LAW AND ORDER. AND IT IS LIKE FROM A MOVIE BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK FOR THE PEOPLE THERE ANYMORE, RIGHT. AND SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT MIGHT BE A LOST CAUSE AS COUNCILMEMBER SPEARS SAID OR THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO GROW THE FACILITY THERE. SO I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT NO BUILDING IS GETTING LEFT BEHIND ON THESE NEWER AND BIGGER THINGS SO I APPRECIATE THAT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, TO COUNCILMAN MUNGIA'S POINT, AND THE ORIGINAL INTENT FOR THIS SORT OF INDEX WAS THAT AS WE GET INTO THE BOND DISCUSSIONS, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE -- WE'RE APPROACHING IT THROUGH A LENS OF EQUITY. WHEREVER THE GREATEST NEED IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE ALLOCATING THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF OUR FUNDING. SO TO THAT END, I THINK THAT WITHOUT SEEING IT, IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE AT A GREAT PHASE ONE. IT WOULD BE NICE ULTIMATELY TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO OUR PAVEMENT INDEX SCORE, WHERE WE INDEX A BUILDING BASED ON -- YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO BE IN A PLACE THAT REQUIRES MINIMAL INVESTMENT FOR 10 YEARS OR IS IT IN CRITICAL NEED AND NEEDS SOMETHING WITHIN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS OR ELSE -- YOU KNOW, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE? SO. SEVERAL MONTHS WE CAN CREATE A PROCESS THROUGH WHICH WE BEGIN SO THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN. >> YEAH, TO DO SOMETHING IN A FEW MONTHS MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOUGH. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I JUST WATCHED ART AND MATT GIVE ME A WHOLE SYSTEM READY -- [LAUGHTER] >> COUNCILMAN, I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT HERE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'D HAVE TO SET UP WHAT THE STANDARD IS IN ORDER TO GRADE SOMETHING, RIGHT? SO I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE STANDARDS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT AND ARTICULATING HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED. SO IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE MEETING THEM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ESTABLISH THEM. I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME WEIGH-IN FROM YOU ALL AS WELL, AROUND, FOR INSTANCE, THE SENIOR CENTER, WHAT IS THE STANDARD, RIGHT? SO WE CAN COMMIT TO DOING IT -- DON'T GET ME WRONG -- BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUICK UNDERSTANDING. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN. >> WE CAN COMMIT TO THAT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WONDERFUL. >> ALL RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO YOU GOT TO REVERSE ENGINEER THE ANSWER THAT YOU WANT TO GET TO. AND I THINK THAT AS WELL AS PART OF THIS, UM, WHAT -- DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE NEXT COUNCIL DISCUSSION [00:45:06] ON THE BOND IS GOING TO BE? >> I THINK WE TALKED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT PROBABLY IN AUGUST. I THINK THAT CERTAINLY AFTER -- I THINK AFTER THE PROPOSED BUDGET. BUT I THINK THAT CERTAINLY AFTER THAT WE'LL PROBABLY THE NEXT TIME STANDING UP WITH YOU AND TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL PROJECTS, WHAT WE THINK THAT IS PRIORITY, WHAT WE USED FOR PRIORITY INDEXING, IF YOU WILL. AND THEN PRESENTING IT TO YOU ALL. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE. MY REQUEST WILL BE THAT AS YOU GET THE SPREADSHEET USER-FRIENDLY AND USER READY FOR US THAT YOU SET UP A TIME TO MEET WITH EACH COUNCIL OFFICE TO GO OVER IT. SO THAT -- BECAUSE ULTIMATELY YOU WOULD LIKE FOR EVERY COUNCILMEMBER TO GET A ROBUST VIEW OF WHAT ALL OF THE FACILITIES ARE IN OUR DISTRICT AND THE NEEDS THAT EXIST SO THEY CAN START TO THINK ABOUT -- YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THEY HAVE RECEIVED CONSTITUENT CALLS AND FEEDBACK ON SOME NEEDS. THE COLLEAGUES HERE AS WELL SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE GIVING THEM AND HOW TO USE IT AND HOW TO SORT, ALL OF THAT STUFF. SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: PERFECT. COUNCILMEMBER SPEARS. >> SPEARS: CAN YOU ADD THE USEFUL LIFE FOR THE BUILDINGS AS A COLUMN, SINCE IT WILL BE IN THE BUDGET. >> YEAH, WE CAN ADD THAT. >> SPEARS: GREAT. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. SO DOES THI THIS DOES NOT REQUIY ACTION, BUT AS PART OF THE BOND DISCUSSION IF YOU COULD ROLL THIS IN AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS AVAILABLE AND THAT EXISTS. I WOULD LIKE THIS TO AT SOME POINT TO BECOME PUBLIC FACING SO THAT -- ALMOST LIKE EVERY DASHBOARD THAT WE'RE CREATING. >> YES, I FIGURED THAT YOU'D SAY THAT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE -- >> THANK YOU ALL. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU SO MUCH. ITEM 4. MADAM CLERK, READ THE CAPTION, PLEASE. IT'S A LONG CAPTION. >> CLERK: BRIEFING ON THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATIONS OUTLINING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL OR COMPANY TO OBTAIN A LIMOUSINE PERMIT AND TRANSITION FROM A HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE TO ELECTRIC VEHICLE SERVICES PERMIT, AND LOWER THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR PEDICABS AND GROUP CYCLES. >> HI, SO GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMAN AND CHAIR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. MY NAME IS RICK RILEY AND I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND TODAY I'M GOING TO PRESENT A BRIEFING ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL TOO FAMILIAR WITH, AND THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHANGE SOME THINGS IN THE LIMOUSINE INDUSTRY, THE HORSE CARRIAGE TRANSITION, AS WELL AS PEDICAB AND GROUP CYCLE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS. SO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF TODAY'S BRIEFING. FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE LIMOUSINE INDUSTRY, OPERATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. MOVE ON TO HORSE CARRIAGE TRANSITION. AND THEN END UP TALKING ABOUT INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH PEDICABS AND PG GROUP CYCLES. SO I'LL START WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE LIMOUSINE SERVICE. YOU CAN SEE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED SINCE 1989. AND IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE. THE MAJORITY OF THE DISCUSSION HAS CENTERED AROUND THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS TO ENTER INTO THE LIMOUSINE INDUSTRY. CURRENTLY, THOSE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS YOU WILL SEE THERE, AN OWNER/OPERATOR HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO STRETCH LIMOUSINES OR A SINGLE STRETCH LIMOUSINE AND TWO LUXURY VEHICLES OR S.U.V.S. SO AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. IT'S CENTERED ON GETTING INTO THAT AS WELL AS THE NAMING OF THE LIMOUSINE INDUSTRY. SHOULD IT STILL BE LIMOUSINE SERVICE? OR SHOULD WE CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE? SO TODAY STAFF IS GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE LIMOUSINE SERVICE CHAPTER 33.564 THERE FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION. THE FIRST OF THOSE BEING WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO ENTER INTO A LUXURY VEHICLE OR LIMOUSINE PERMIT. CURRENTLY AS I MENTIONED YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO STRETCH LIMOS OR ONE STRETCH LIMO AND TWO LUXURY VEHICLES. TODAY THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CHANGING THAT TO BE THE TWO STRETCH LIMOS, OR TWO LIMO-BUSES OR TWO LIMO-VANS, OR A COMBINATION OF EACH. SO YOU COULD HAVE ONE LIMO-BUS AND ONE LIMO-VAN. OR ONE STRETCH LIMOUSINE, AND A SINGLE BUS, OR A SINGLE LIMO-VAN, AND TWO LUXURY S.U.V.S. AND SO BOTH OF THOSE -- THE ADDITIONS TO THAT LIMO-BUS AND LIMO-VAN. JUST SO THAT YOU CAN GET A PICTURE IN YOUR MIND, A LIMO-BUS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD SEE AT THE AIRPORT TO TAKE YOU TO AND FROM THE RENTAL CAR FACILITY, IF THAT'S HOW YOU CHOOSE TO GO. A LIMO-VAN IS YOUR SPRINTER VAN. [00:50:04] WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN A DESIRE TO USE THOSE. WE GET ABOUT A CALL A WEEK AT THE GROUND TRANSPORTATION UNIT INQUIRING INTO HOW DO I GET PERMITTED AS A LIMO COMPANY. WE THINK THIS MAY ALLOW ADDITIONAL COMPANIES TO COME IN AND STILL HAVE THE COMMITMENT MONETARILY TO PURCHASE ONE EVER THESE VEHICLES. AND THE SECOND RECOMMENDED CHANGE THAT THE STAFF IS MAKING TODAY IS TO AMEND THE NAME OF CHAPTER 33, ARTICLE 5, CHANGING IT FROM LIMOUSINE SERVICE TO LUXURY VEHICLE SERVICE. WHICH WE THINK THAT MORE ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE WAY THAT THE INDUSTRY IS MOVING WITH BLACK CARS, BLACK SEDANS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE THAT PEOPLE USE, AS WELL AS THE LIMO-VANS AND LIMO-BUSES. AND IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A NAME CHANGE IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. SO YOU WILL SEE THERE, RATHER THAN LIMOUSINE TOURS AND CHARTERS, WE'LL CALL IT LUXURY VEHICLES TOURS AND CHARTERS. THE SECOND AREA THAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS SOME STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO AID IN THE TRANSITION OF THE HORSE CARRIAGE INDUSTRY. MUCH LIKE LIMOUSINES AND ANY VEHICLE FOR HIRE, CHAPTER 33 GOVERNS THE OPERATION OF HORSE CARRIAGES. IN DECEMBER OF 2024, COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE THAT WOUND DOWN THE HORSE CARRIAGE INDUSTRY AND PROHIBITED CERTAIN OPERATIONS. AND ALL OF THAT COMES EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, OF 2030. THE FIRST THING WAS A REDUCTION IN HOURS. THOSE REDUCTION IN HOURS START IN JUNE OF NEXT YEAR. AND THEN YEARLY AFTER THAT, UNTIL JANUARY 1ST OF 2030. IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PASSAGE OF THE ORDINANCE, THERE WAS A MORATORIUM ON NEW CARRIAGE PERMITS AND HORSE LICENSE -- ADDITIONAL HORSE LICENSES OTHERE PROHIBITED. STATUS TODAY OF THE HORSE KARYBCARRIAGEINDUSTRY, THERE'S S ISSUED AND THOSE PERMITS ARE OWNED BY FIVE COMPANIES AND EACH COMPANY HAS FIVE PERMITS. WHAT IS INTERESTING IN THERE AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, IS THAT THOSE FIVE COMPANIES ARE OWNED BY THREE OWNERS. SO THAT BRINGS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE HAD IN HOW DO WE ALLOCATE THIS FAIRLY AMONGST ALL OF THOSE OWNERS. AND SO STAFF TODAY IS RECOMMENDING WHAT YOU WILL SEE HERE, WHICH IS TO AUTHORIZE 21 NEW ELECTRIC VEHICLE FOR HIRE PERMITS TO CURRENT HORSE CARRIAGE PERMIT HOLDERS TO EXCHANGE THEIR HORSE CARRIAGE PERMIT FOR THIS ELECTRIC VEHICLE PERMIT. SO TO MAKE IT FAIR, WE TOOK EACH OWNER AND WE SAID, OKAY, YOU CAN RECEIVE SEVEN. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO WORK AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TEST IT OUT, BUT THIS ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GET ONE OR TWO. ONE HOOK IN THERE IS THAT ONCE A HORSE CARRIAGE PERMIT IS TURNED IN FOR THAT E-VEHICLE, ELECTRICAL VEHICLE PERMIT, THE HORSE CARRIAGE PERMIT IS VOID AND SHALL NOT BE ISSUED BACK TO THE PERMIT HOLDER. AND WE RECOMMEND A CHANGE IN INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS THE CURRENT REQUIREMENT WHICH IS A MILLION DOLLARS IN LIABILITY AND PROPERTY DAMAGE. AND THE STATE MINIMUM OF 30 SPLSH 60/25. SO 30 FOR BODY LOW INJURY AND 60 PER ACCIDENT, AND THE PROPERTY DAMAGE OF 25,000. IN WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH THE OFFICE OF RISK MANAGEMENT AND RISK MANAGEMENT RECOMMENDED THAT WE MOVE THE REQUIREMENTS CLOSER TO A COMMERCIAL INSURANCE. YOU WILL SEE THERE 200,000 FOR BODILY INJURY, AND $500,000 TOTAL A FOR AN ACCIDENT AND $200,000 FOR ACCIDENT. AND THE LAST IS PEDICAB AND GROUP CYCLE. AND A QUICK OVERVIEW AND THIS IS IN THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH OF THESE INDUSTRIES. YOU WILL SEE THAT RIGHT NOW FOR PEDICABS THERE'S 15 PERMITS MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY THE CODE. THREE COMPANIES HAVE THOSE. THOSE ARE SPLIT 2/6/7 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. WHAT WE SEE ARE PEDICAB DRIVERS THAT COME FROM AUSTIN OR HOUSTON FOR BIG EVENTS THAT WOULD TO OPERATE A PEDICAB BUT CAN'T GET A PERMIT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS UNSPOKEN HERE IS THINKING ABOUT A POSSIBLE CHANGE TO THE NUMBER OF PERMITS IN THE PEDICAB INDUSTRY. IT'S RARE THAT WE SEE ALL OF THOSE ON THE ROAD AT THE SAME TIME, SOMETIMES AT BIG EVENTS -- SPORTING EVENTS, CONCERTS -- SOMETHING BIG DOWNTOWN YOU WILL SEE A LOT OUT THERE. GROUP CYCLES -- NO MAX ON THE PERMITS FOR GROUP CYCLES. AND THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN A NEED AS THERE'S TWO PERMITS ISSUED RIGHT NOW. TWO COMPANIES HAVE ONE PERMIT EACH. YOU CAN READ THERE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS OF GROUP CYCLE. BASICALLY THE MOTOR CAN'T BE THE PRIMARY MODE OF TRANSPORTATION FOR EITHER PEDICAB OR GROUP [00:55:03] CYCLES. IT CAN BE AN ASSIST BUT IT CAN'T BE THE PRIMARY FUNCTION. SO AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TODAY TO CHANGE THAT INSURANCE FOR BOTH PEDICABS AND GROUP CYCLES TO BRING THEM IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU WILL SEE THERE, AGAIN, THE MILLION DOLLARS FOR LIABILITY INSURANCE. AND, AGAIN, WORKING WITH THE OFFICE OF RISK MANAGEMENT. RISK MANAGEMENT CAME BACK AND SAID THAT WE THINK THAT $350,000 PER OCCURRENCE FOR BODILY INJURY TOTAL PER ACCIDENT AND PROPERTY DAMAGE IS MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE SHOULD SEE FOR BOTH PEDICABS AND THE GROUP CYCLE INDUSTRY. THAT CONCLUDES MY BRIEF AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND WE AWAIT YOUR GUIDANCE AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU SO MUCH. BEFORE I FORGET I WILL READ COUNCILMEMBER KAUR'S REQUEST. PREVIOUSLY SHE HAD ASKED FOR RIDERSHIP DATA ON PEDICAB AND HORSE CARRIAGE AND TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING THESE OPTIONS. SO SHE WOULD LIKE THIS INFORMATION TO BE SHARED AHEAD OF ANY B SESSION. IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT, HAVE THAT DATA, AND INFORMATION READY TO GO FOR EACH OF US. AND THEN -- I KNOW THAT SHE HAD ALSO ASKED FOR INFORMATION ON REQUESTS FOR PERMITS, FOR PEDICABS AND THOSE MICRO-MOBILITY OPTIONS. >> SO THE PEDICABS I CAN TALK TO AND GROUP CYCLES WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INTEREST IN. SO PEDICABS, WE'VE HAD ABOUT FOUR PEOPLE INQUIRE ABOUT GETTING THOSE PERMITS BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE MAXED OUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ISSUE THEM. AND THAT'S MY COMMENT, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO INCREASE THOSE PERMITS FROM, LET'S SAY 15 TO 2- THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. AND WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE MAKE THOSE PERMITS AVAILABLE TO SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE A PERMIT. BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS THE FEAR THAT THE GUY WHO ALREADY HAS SEVEN COMES IN AND SWOOPS UP THE 10 AVAILABLE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I GUESS THAT'S, UM -- HMM -- WHAT THAT BRINGS TO MIND -- AND IT GOES BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD ABOUT THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES AND THOSE PERMITS. WHAT IS THE SYSTEM THAT ESTABLISHED -- ESPECIALLY FOR PEDICAB IT'S WHAT IS THE SYSTEM THAT ESTABLISHED WHAT THE LIMIT WAS? WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE? AND HOW MANY OPERATORS THAT THERE SHOULD BE? BECAUSE THERE'S GOT TO BE A SCIENCE OR AN EXPLANATION BEHIND IT AND I'M INTERESTED IN A BIT OF THE BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH THE PEDICABS. >> I CAN ANSWER PARTIAL THAT, THAT IT WAS THE COUNCIL DECISION TO SET THAT AT THAT LIMIT AND I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH TO SEE, IF THERE WAS A STUDY DONE TO SUPPORT THIS MANY PEDICABS AND THIS MANY GROUP CYCLES, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO I CAN BRING THAT BACK TO A B SESSION. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT ALL THREE OF THESE ARE HEAVY ITEMS THAT ARE LIGHT TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING. AND ON THIS ITEM SPECIFICALLY, THESE ARE THREE DISTINCT DISCUSSIONS WITH REGARD TO THE LIMOUSINE SERVICE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE CONVERSATION. AND I APPRECIATE ANDRES FOR COMING AND SHARING HIS SUPPORT FOR THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. AND WITH THE HORSE CARRIAGE PERMITS, AGAIN, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED THERE IS, UM, WHICH OF THE OPERATORS FALL WITHIN A TERS OR SOME SORT OF A ZONE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR. AND THEN I THINK THAT WE STILL NEED -- THERE WILL HAVE TO BE AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE E-CARRIAGES SPECIFICALLY, AND SO HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO HAVE THE STAFF CREATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ASHOULD THE COUNCIL APPROVE THI. >> I SUSPECT THAT WE COULD BRING A DRAFT TO THE B SESSION WHEN WE GO THERE TO JUST KIND OF OUTLINE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. IT'S GOING TO MIRROR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE. AND ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES IS THAT IF YOU SEE THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON THE ROAD TODAY, THE LITTLE RUNNER, FOR EXAMPLE, IT HAS A FRONT WINDSHIELD AND THE ELECTRIC CARRIAGES AREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT FRONT WINDSHIELD. SO DETAILS LIKE THAT. OTHERWISE, IT WOULD PRETTY MUCH MIRROR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS SAFETY. LICENSED AND REGISTERED, PERMITTED. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL A WORK ON ALL OF THIS. AND I WILL SAY THAT I THINK THAT IT IS STRANGE THAT SAPD IS SORT OF LEADING OR RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DISCUSSION. AND I WOULD LIKE -- AND I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S WORK ON IT. I THINK THAT IT'S -- FOR ME, I THINK THAT IT'S STRANGE FOR SAPD TO BE FOCUSED ON THE NON-PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED PORTIONS OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. AND SO IS IT SAPD'S ROLE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CLASSIFICATION OF LIMOUSINES AND THE NAMING OR INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS? AND PILOT PROGRAMS FOR MICRO-MOBILITY? I DO FEEL LIKE THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD FALL WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. [01:00:04] AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE THUS FAR AND MAYBE AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO BEGIN TRANSITIONING TO THAT LENS, BECAUSE OF COURSE I'D LOVE YOU TO BE FOCUSED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT MOST DIRECTLY IMPACT PUBLIC SAFETY. AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK THUS FAR ON THIS. AND THIS WAS SPURRED BY THREE COUNCILMEMBERS AND THE E-CARRIAGES WAS A PRIORITY OF MINE AND PEDICABS WAS DR. KAUR, AND LIMOUSINES, AND COUNCILMAN MUNGIA, I WILL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO HIM. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS DISCUSSION. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE LIMOUSINE SERVICE. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY -- THAT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE COMPAREED TO WHAT THE STAKEHOLDERS WERE ASKING FOR. AND I KNOW THAT IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT, BECAUSE PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES AND LIVELIHOODS AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THAT. SO I DO SUPPORT THAT. I THINK IT'S NICE TO SPREAD THAT OUT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A STRETCH TO HAVE THAT. AND I DO THINK THAT A LUXURY VEHICLE SERVICE IS PROBABLY A WAY TO GO FOR THE FUTURE. IT'S NOT JUST LIMOUSINES THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR THESE DAYS AND IT'S ALSO LUXURY. AND WHEN YOU EXPAND THAT DEFINITION AND YOU HAVE THAT, YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE PEOPLE GETTING INTO THE PERMIT SITUATION. WHICH I THINK THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, RIGHT -- IT'S BETTER IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG IN THAT SITUATION -- THAT CAR RIDE -- THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO CONTACT THE CITY AND FILE A COMPLAINT. WHICH DOESN'T EXIST TO BE JUST ON THE PRIVATE MARKET SIDE. SO I DO THINK -- I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, SORRY, I HAD TO STEP OUT BUT I DID MISS THE HORSE CARRIAGE OVERVIEW, BUT I'M SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT IT WAS A SLOW SEASON. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ONGOING DIALOGUE HAS BEEN WITH THE OPERATORS AND THE TRANSITION TO THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE PERMITS. AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. AND I DO THINK -- JUST FOR STAFF TOO, IT IS MAYBE A GOOD TRANSITION TIME FOR THIS TO BE INTO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PEDICAB AND GROUP CYCLES AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT DOWNTOWN MOBILITY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. AND YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB ON THIS BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THE SAPD WHEELHOUSE TO BE MANAGING THIS. SO THAT WOULD BE ALSO BE IN MY RECOMMENDATION TOO ON THE CITY SIDE. >> THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER ALDERETE GAVITO. >> ALDERETE GAVITO: THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WANTED TO THANK MY APPOINTEE ON THE ADVISORY BOARD, GEORGE MURRAY. I'M NOT SURE THAT HE IS HERE, I THOUGHT THAT HE WAS, BUT MAYBE NOT. AND I ALSO TOO DID JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WERE THE ONES THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD. IS THAT CORRECT? >> TRANSPORTATION AND ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STATUS QUO. SO WE MET WITH THOSE STAKEHOLDERS. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. WE'VE ALSO MET WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT A CHANGE TO THE STRETCH LIMOUSINE REQUIREMENTS SO THAT THEY CAN ENTER THE INDUSTRY. STAFF IN ITS OPINION, AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY I WILL TAKE THAT, AND WE FELT THAT, HEY, WE NEED TO GROW THIS INDUSTRY. AND WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM STRETCH LIMOUSINES TO WHAT WE SEE AS THE SPRINTER VAN BEING USED AND THE LIMO-BUS BEING USED AND THE LUXURY VEHICLE, PEOPLE ARE REQUESTING THOSE. AND AS THE AIRPORT GROWS AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE MORE PASSENGERS THAT COME IN FOR HOPEFULLY MORE EVENTS THAT WILL GIVE MORE OPTIONS TO POTENTIAL RIDERS TO GET FROM THE AIRPORT TO THEIR DESTINATION. >> ALDERETE GAVITO: OKAY. SO THEN WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION JUST KIND OF EXPANDED UPON THE TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION? >> THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT TO ONLY HAVE STRETCH LIMOS AND TO ADD LIMO-BUSS AND LIMO-VANS TO THAT REQUIREMENT. SO IT GIVES ANOTHER ENTRY POINT. >> ALDERETE GAVITO: I SEE, OKAY, GOT IT. SOUNDS GOOD. WELL, YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS IT. THANKS -- THANKS. I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT TOO. THANK YOU. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER SPEARS. >> SPEARS: THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU, RICK. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE TO THE CHAPTER 33 NAME. AND I DO THINK THAT EXPANDING IT MAKES SENSE. SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AS WELL. SO ON THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THE CARRIAGES, I -- I WAS ASKINO YOU HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN FOR THEM? OR WHERE DO THEY EVEN ORDER THESE FROM? AND HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET HERE AND WHICH ONE WOULD BE AN APPROVED ELECTRIC CARRIAGE? >> SO WE HAVE CONTACTS THAT WE HAVE SHARED, BECAUSE TWO OF THE [01:05:02] CURRENT OWNERS HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO GO TO THE ELECTRIC CARRIAGE. MR. DODD, WHO OWNS LOLLIPOP AND BLUEBONNET, AS WELL AS RONNIE WHITE THAT OWNS LONE STAR HAVE BOTH EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO GIVE IT A TRY. AND WE HAVE PROVIDED THOSE INDIVIDUALS WITH THAT CONTACT INFORMATION AS TO WHERE DO YOU ORDER THEM FROM, HOW DO YOU GET THEM AND THAT KIND OF THINGS. SO, YES, MA'AM. >> SPEARS: HOW LONG DO THEY TAKE TO GET HERE? >> WE HEARD ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO SIX MONTHS BECAUSE ONE HASN'T BEEN ORDERED OR ASSEMBLED. IT WOULD BE A GUESS ON MY PART AND A SPECULATION SO THAT'S THE BEST I CAN DO FOR YOU. >> SPEARS: AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THEY COST? >> ABOUT $20,000. >> SPEARS: $20,000. AND THEN, UM, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE SINCE THEY WERE HIT HARD DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON TO SOME SORT OF EXTENSION THERE, JUST SO THAT THEY CAN THEN PURCHASE -- POTENTIALLY PURCHASE, UM, SOME OF THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THOUGH THAT I HAVE IS, LIKE, HOW IS THIS. >> SO THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE -- WHEN COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ TALKED ABOUT MOBILITY AND COUNCILMAN MUNGIA ON THE PEDICABS AND GROUP CYCLES, THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES TO BEGIN WITH. THE GOAL -- PART OF THE GOAL WHEN WE DID THE HORSE CARRIAGE TRANSITION IS HOW DO WE GET THESE EXTREMELY SLOW-MOVING VEHICLES OFF OF THE ROAD. BECAUSE THEY TEND TO CLOG UP INTERSECTIONS AND ETC. IS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE WERE GETTING FROM RESIDENTS. THE ELECTRIC CARRIAGE, I HAVE RIDDEN IN ONE AND THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO RIGHT NOW IN SAN ANTONIO THEY USE FOR PRIVATE EVENTS. IT MOVES LIKE A GOLF CART AND IT TURNS LIKE A GOLF CART. IT'S GOT A STEERING WHEEL. SO IT COULD BE MUCH QUICKER. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE SOLVE THAT FINAL MILE PROBLEM FROM VIA TO DOWNTOWN, LET'S SAY. AND I THINK THAT IS A WIDER DISCUSSION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, IF P.D. KEEPS THE VEHICLE FOR HIRE FOR PEACE AND CCDO AND THEY ALL PROBABLY HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND FIGURE IT OUT. >> SPEARS: I MEAN, IF IT WAS TRAFFIC CALMING OR IMPEDING TRAFFIC, A GOLF CART OR A HORSE CARRIAGE TO ME... I -- I DON'T SEE A DIFFERENCE. IT WILL STILL BE IN THE WAY. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? >> A VEHICLE IS A VEHICLE. I THINK IS WHERE YOU ARE GOING, MA'AM. >> SPEARS: YEAH. >> YES. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO I GUESS TO THAT POINT AND WE'RE GETTING BACK INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE DISCUSSION -- >> SPEARS: I KNOW -- >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE'RE NOT GOING TO RELITIGATE IT. AND THERE COULD -- >> SPEARS: I JUST DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, NOW THIS IS IN THE WAY AND WE NEED YOU OUT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I GUESS THAT THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE SPEED OF A HORSE AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE BEEN STUCK BEHIND ONE OF THEM. VERSUS ONE OF THESE E-CARRIAGES SO THEY DO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO GO MUCH FASTER. AND I WON'T GET INTO OF THE OTHERS, BUT THERE'S A PRETTY BIG SPEED DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. SO IF THE ISSUE IS THAT A HORSE IS GOING THREE MILES PER HOUR IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU ARE STUCK BEHIND YOU AND CAN'T GET AROUND IT AND DRIVERS ARE GETTING FRUSTRATED AND ACTING A LITTLE BIT RECKLESSLY. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU ARE BEHIND A VEHICLE THAT CAN GO UP TO 20 MILES PER HOUR ULTIMATELY. >> SPEARS: OKAY. I GUESS THAT I FEEL -- I DISAGREE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THIS AS EASY AS POSSIBLE ON THESE PEOPLE. I REALLY DO. I JUST FEEL SO MUCH HESITATION ABOUT TAKING AWAY THEIR EARNING CAPACITY. AND I WANT TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE. SO AS MUCH INFORMATION AS CAN BE PROVIDED, UM, CARE IN SHOWING THEM HOW TO RUN THIS NEW BUSINESS MODEL IN A METROPOLITAN AREA, VERSUS THE EXAMPLES THAT WE'RE GIVEN OF PARKS THAT WE -- BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE -- IT'S MY RECOLLECTION THAT YOU SAID THAT THIS HASN'T BEEN DONE IN A METROPOLITAN AREA? >> PHILADELPHIA IS AS CLOSE AS IT'S GOTTEN AND IT'S IN A TEST BED RIGHT NOW IN PHILADELPHIA. >> SPEARS: SO I WANT TO JUST MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE AND WILLING TO BE AS FLEXIBLE AS WE CAN AND SUPPORTIVE AS WE CAN IN DOING IT. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT. AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE CHARMING. AND I'LL MISS THEM. BUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT BEHIND IT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER TO THAT POINT I GUESS THAT RIGHT NOW WHERE IT STANDS THE HORSES ARE LEAVING. AND SO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE NOW HAVING IS HOW DO WE INTRODUCE A NEW OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE BUSINESSES THAT ARE BEING PHASED OUT. AND THERE'S NO WORK AROUND TO THAT. SO TO THAT END I SUPPORT -- AND THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS HOW CAN WE FINANCIALLY SUPPORT THE ACQUISITION OF THE [01:10:04] E-CARRIAGES AND WE KNOW THAT LONG TERM IT WILL PROBABLY BE A LOT MORE COST-EFFECTIVE MODEL THAN HORSES. I THINK THAT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN POSSIBLY GET THIS THROUGH AND I WOULD LOVE SOME OF THE E-CARRIAGES TO BE ONLINE. AND I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT REALITY AND HOW WE PRACTICE GOING FROM FIVE TO SEVEN OR IN SOME CASES 10 TO SEVEN. SO CURRENTLY, IT IS BASED OFF OF BUSINESS -- NOT OWNERSHIP. AND SO I'M GOING TO SEPARATE THE OWNER FROM THE BUSINESSES. THERE'S A BUSINESS THAT HAS FIVE PERMITS. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPERATE FIVE HORSE CARRIAGES. THEY CAN THEN ADD TWO E-CARRIAGES ON TOP OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR A TOTAL OF SEVEN AND EVENTUALLY AS THEY PHASE OUT THE HORSES THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ADD MORE OF THE E-CARRIAGES SO THEY MAINTAIN THAT SEVEN. IN PRACTICE, ONE OWNER HAS 10, AND 10 HORSE CARRIAGES. AND BECAUSE THEY OPERATE TWO BUSINESSES ARE WE GOING TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF FOUR OF YOUR HORSE CARRIAGES, SO THAT YOU CAN GET ONE E-VEHICLE? >> SO THE WAY THAT WE ENVISION IT -- AND YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD -- WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION FOR A VERY LONG TIME. IS HOW DO WE -- HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO BE FAIR TO THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY GOOD WAY. SOMEBODY IS GOING TO LEAVE UNHAPPY. AND WE KIND OF ENVISIONED IT AS IF YOU WERE AN OWNER AND YOU HAD 10, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY TURN SEVEN OF THOSE INTO E-CARRIAGES AND YOU COULD OPERATE THE HORSE CARRIAGES UNTIL THAT ENDED. AND I DON'T WANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, BUT MAYBE A B SESSION WITH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND WE SOLVE THE RIDDLE OF, OKAY, DO WE ALLOW THOSE TO GET AN ADDITIONAL THREE? AND GIVE THE GENTLEMAN WHO CURRENTLY HAS FIVE A TOTAL OF FIVE SO THAT HE HAS 10? BECAUSE THEN WE RUN INTO COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS' QUESTION THAT WE JUST ADDED FIVE MORE VEHICLES TO THE ROAD. AND IS THAT WHERE WE WANT TO GO. AND SO I'M NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT, OR TO SPECULATE ON THAT, COUNCILMAN. BUT, UM, IT'S -- IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE ALL NEED TO KIND OF NOODLE ABOUT AND FIGURE IT OUT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: FOR SURE. AND I WOULD SAY THAT FOR ALL OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WAYS TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE THROUGH THIS, THAT APPROACH IS PROBABLY THE BEST, WHERE EACH OPERATOR IS ABLE TO OPERATE 10 TOTAL FOR A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME. IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE A FEW MORE YEARS AND THEN THEY EVENTUALLY WORK THEIR WAY DOWN TO SEVEN. I THINK THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE THE -- I THINK THAT IS THE SWEET SPOT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TO GET TO THAT POINT. SO THAT -- AND I THINK WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION PROBABLY ENOUGH AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL, I THINK WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH THE KINKS THAT WE HAVE AND I ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THIS TO GO TO B SESSION IF THERE'S NOT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENT. WE NEED A MOTION? >> I MOVE TO SEND THESE ITEMS TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE B SESSION. >> SECOND. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THREE AYES AND ONE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO ATTENDED AND ALL OF THE WORK FROM CITY STAFF AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION. THE TIME IS NOW 3:16 P.M. ON JUNE 2ND, 2026, AND THIS * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.