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OH, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS JOY MCGEE, AND I AM THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT THREE ZONING COMMISSIONER.
I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION.
MAY WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? THANK YOU.
[Roll Call ]
YOU.STAFF, MAY YOU PLEASE CONDUCT THE ROLL CALL.
AND ONE MORE TIME FOR COMMISSIONER KAIN HERE.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
UM, STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES, BE IT, EXCUSE ME, STARTED ON THE WRONG SLIDE.
TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19.
THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING THE MEETINGS VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE.
THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETING ACT ISSUED BY DETECTIVE GOVERNOR'S RESPONSE TO THE COVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW.SANANTONIO.GOV/DSD OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT TWO TEN TWO ZERO SIX FIVE FOUR EIGHT THREE.
TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES.
THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING.
STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD FOR ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
CONSIDERATION FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT, STAFF WILL PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL.
LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALLBACK, WE WILL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENT.
SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED.
THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION.
MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW, UH, THE CURRENT LIST OF CONSENT INDIVIDUAL AND ANY POSTPONE OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS? SO FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE ITEM 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, AND 16.
FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO 1215.
ON INDIVIDUAL, WE HAVE ONE ITEMS, 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, AND 19.
DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT TO EVERYONE? DO WE HAVE PROBLEMS? AVOID NOW.
ADAM CHAIR, I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE, I'M SORRY,
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REMAINING ITEMS? UH, THE CONSENT ITEMS INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE.BEGINNING WITH COMBINED HEARING.
NUMBER ONE IS ITEM NUMBER SIX IS GENERALLY BOUNDED BY SOUTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10 TO THE NORTH.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE AND R SIX TO C TWO.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1 6 4 0 2 NADO ROAD.
WE SENT OUT 10 NOTICES AND WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.
AND THERE ARE NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE AND MS 33 TO C ONE.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH USES LOCATED AT 1 0 4 CONGRESS AVENUE AND 6,500 SOUTH FLORIDA STREET.
WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION AND MISSION.
SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO C TWO.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1116 MINKA STREET AND 1313 NORTH SOUTH SAMOA STREET.
WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM WEST END HOPE.
ACTION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO R FOUR ALL OVER LASER REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 1312 LAMAR.
WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM DITY NEIGHBOR HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 12 IS THE REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO IZ ONE ALL OVER LANES REMAINING THE SAME WITH
WE SENT OUT 10 NOTICES RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE AND R SIX TO R FOUR.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 8,300 BLOCK OF POVO ROAD.
WE RECEIVED ONE IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE ACTIVE IN COMMUNITY EFFORTS.
ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO R FOUR, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 30 13,500 BLOCK OF ROAD.
WE SENT OUT FIVE NOTICES WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX M H C.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 52, 31, 52 35 HILLBURN DRIVE, AND 53 0 7 VELON DRIVE.
WE SENT OUT 45 NOTICES AND WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE SOUTHWEST COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER 6 8 9 10 11, 12 14, 15, AND 16.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SIPES.
UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, HAVE YOU ARRIVED AT THIS MEETING? NOT YET.
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SO, UH, MAY WE PROCEED WITH COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO.NUMBER TWO FOR COMBINED DECEMBER GREY HOUSE FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER TWO REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TAKING PLACE ON DECEMBER 15TH.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND JUST DO THAT ONE AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THREE ITEMS? OKAY.
SO THAT IS, UM, A DISTRICT THREE CASE AND
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I MOVE, UM, FOR A CONTINUANCE TO, UH, DECEMBER 15TH.WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE.
UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
MOTION PASSES FOR A CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER 15TH.
ALL RIGHT, FOR THE NEXT THREE ITEMS ON THE COMBINED HEARING, NUMBER TWO, MAY THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS RECUSING HERSELF AND HER CAMERA AND, UH, MICROPHONE WILL BE OFF FOR THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING.
THE REMAINING ITEMS FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO ARE ITEM NUMBER 13, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX C THREE AND I ONE TO I ONE.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 6,500 BLOCK OF NORTH INTERSTATE 35.
WE RECEIVED ONE IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
BUT WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM PARK VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT BUFFER.
ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO I ONE S.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR CHEMICAL MANUFACTURING AND PROCESSING.
GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 6,800 BLOCK OF FAIRGROUNDS PARKWAY.
WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RM SIX TO HUD R FOUR.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 1 8 1 0 4 BABCOCK ROAD.
WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM SAN ANTONIO NATURAL AREA'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.
I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS 13, 17 AND 18.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER BUSANTE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SIPES.
VICE CHAIR BUSANTE CARD AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES.
[1. 20-6913 (Continued from 11/03/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700192 (Council District 2)]
STAFF.MAY WE PLEASE PROCEED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS AND MAY THE RECORDS SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS NOW REJOINING THE MEETING.
I, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO C THREE ALL OVER LAKES REMAINING THE SAME.
GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 100 BLOCK OF GROVE ROAD.
WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, SIX IN OPPOSITION, 10 IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT BUFFER.
AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THE CURRENT R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED C THREE WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE OR SURROUNDING AREA AS THE REZONING WOULD CONSTITUTE MID-BLOCK COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT.
POTENTIAL NOISE OUTSIDE STORES OF MATERIALS AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC OF A MID-BLOCK COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COULD POSE A SIGNIFICANT BURDEN ON ADJACENT AND ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND USES STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL.
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OH, I'M SORRY.MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? YES, THIS IS JOE MONROE.
YOU COULD TELL US ABOUT YOUR CASE, SIR.
AND THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY IS TO BUILD MY, UM, UH, OFFICE SPACE.
AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M TRYING TO, AND IT'S ONLY FOR OFFICE.
UH, I KNOW THEY HAVE IN THERE ABOUT HEAVY EQUIPMENT, UH, STORAGE, UH, OF MATERIALS AND, AND THE LIKE.
AND THERE WOULD BE NONE OF THAT ON THIS PROPERTY.
AS A SMALL, I'M A VERY SMALL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AND ALL OF OUR WORK IS OUTSIDE OF THE OFFICE.
SO WE DON'T DO ANY CONSTRUCTION NEAR MY OFFICE.
AND ANY HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE FOR A JOB SITE IS USUALLY RENTED AND DELIVERED DIRECTLY TO THE JOB SITE.
AND AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, THE RENTAL COMPANY PICK UP THE EQUIPMENT AND TAKE IT BACK TO THEIR FACILITY.
THIS IS ONLY FOR OFFICE ADMINISTRATIVE, OFFICE ONLY.
AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS, UH, HEAVY EQUIPMENT USED AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO FORTH.
BUT I'M JUST LITERALLY JUST TRYING TO OPEN UP AN OFFICE SPACE.
AND I KNOW I SAY, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES, OFFICE VEHICLES, WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT MY TRUCK THAT I DRIVE EVERY DAY AND, AND I HAVE ANOTHER F ONE 50 TRUCK, WHICH IS A SMALL TIME TRUCK THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED, UM, BY MY PERSONNEL, YOU KNOW, TO GO FROM JOB SITE TO JOB SITE.
UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
I MEAN, I'M ONLY JUST TRYING TO OPEN UP AN EXECUTIVE OFFICE SPACE AND ALSO WANT TO HAVE, UH, ADDITIONAL OFFICES TO BE LEASED OUT TO YOUR LAWYERS OR, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE AGENCIES OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, TO THAT CASE.
UH, I DID HAVE A SLIDE, UH, PRESENTATION THAT I SENT IN.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S AVAILABLE.
YEAH, CAN WE HAVE THAT PRESENTATION PLEASE? WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO LOAD IT NOW.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE SIX SLIDES, SEVEN SLIDES.
BUT YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURES SHOWING THE AREA, I MEAN, THERE'S, UH, THERE IS A SIGN SHOP, UH, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT I'M ON.
AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THAT STREET OTHER THAN ONE HOUSE ALL THE WAY AT THE OTHER END OF THE BLOCK ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND I THINK WHERE MY PROPERTY LINE ENDS, THE HOUSES THAT AFFECTED ACROSS THE STREET IS LIKE RIGHT AT THE END OF MY PROPERTY LINE.
THERE'S TWO HOUSES AND THAT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET.
BUT THERE WILL BE NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON THAT STREET BECAUSE I DON'T OWN ANY AND WILL NOT BE DOING CONSTRUCTION AT MY OFFICE.
SO MR. MORE MONROE, THEY HAVE YOUR SLIDE PRESENTATION LOADED, SO YOU'LL, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A DELAY.
SO EVEN IF YOU'LL HAVE TO TELL 'EM WHAT SLIDE TO BE ON AND REALIZE THAT IF YOU'RE WATCHING IT, YOU WON'T SEE IT RIGHT AWAY, BUT YOU CAN, UM, TELL THEM WHAT SLIDE YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO GO TO.
NOW I THINK TO SLIDE NUMBER SIX, I THINK WE GO TO NUMBER SIX IS THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE, UH, SITE PLAN.
AND IF THAT'S THE SITE LAYOUT, THEN THAT'S THE ONE THAT THAT KIND OF SHOWS, UM, THE TYPE OF, UM, UH, OFFICE BUILDING THAT I'M PLANNING TO DO.
WELL, IF YOU GO TO SITE, UH, SLIDE FIVE, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN, THEY'RE THERE.
THIS SHOWS THE, UH, PROPOSED OFFICE LAYOUT THAT I'M DOING THE PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS ADEQUATE PARKING.
THERE'S TWO ACRES OF LAND, SO THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING OFF OF THE STREET, UM, WHERE NO ONE WOULD BE PARKING IN THE STREET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I WOULD HAVE MY OFFICE SPACE AND YOU COULD SEE THE SETBACKS FROM THE BOUNDARY LINES.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING TWO
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ACRES, 87,000 SQUARE FEET.WELL, I'M ONLY ASKING FOR A SMALL PORTION OF THAT TO BUILD MY OFFICE ON.
THE REST OF THE LAND WILL BE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, WITH TREES AND, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE FOR THE DRIVEWAY OR ASPHALT FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN I THINK SLIDE SIX SHOWS LIKE AN ELEVATION, UH, A SOMEWHAT ELEVATION OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
CAN WE MOVE TO THE ELEVATION SLIDE? AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO ROOM FOR NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT TO EVEN MANEUVER ON SITE STAFF.
CAN WE SEE THE ELEVATION SLIDE THAT HE'S REFERRING TO, PLEASE? I THINK THAT'S SLIDE NUMBER SIX.
I MEAN, I TOTALLY GET THE ZONING CODE, WHICH WOULD, UH, THE ZONING CODE WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT.
BUT MY TYPE OF BUSINESS IS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS NOT THAT AT ALL, YOU KNOW, AND SO I MEAN, THERE'S GOTTA BE LIKE A RESTRICTION IF WE CAN PUT IN A RESTRICTION CLAUSE IN THE ZONING THAT WILL FURTHER ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I NEED TO DO AS FAR AS OPEN UP EXECUTIVE OFFICE TO RUN MY BUSINESS.
UM, CAN WE SEE THE LA THE SLIDES RIGHT BEFORE, JUST FLIP THROUGH THE, ALL THE SLIDES JUST SO WE CAN GET A QUICK GLANCE AT THE ONES BEFORE THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, AND UM, AND THEN I GUESS THERE'S A COUPLE BEFORE.
IS THAT THE VERY FIRST ONE OR, THERE WE GO.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MR. MONROE, BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, POINT OUT, UM, ON THE SLIDES, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF YOU ARE ON NOW.
IF YOU GO TO I THINK SLIDE THREE OR FOUR, WHAT, WHAT DOES IT HAVE ON IT SO THEY KNOW WHAT, WHERE TO GO? UH, IT'S A, IT'S A LAYOUT OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND THAT IT'S LIKE A MAP.
AND I KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED ON THIS SLIDE, UH, RIGHT AT THE, AT THE CORNER, WHICH IS RIGSBY AND GROVE ROAD, THERE'S A SIGN SHOP RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO THE SIGN SHOP WOULD BE MY PROPERTY.
AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, LIKE I WAS EXPLAINING BEFORE, ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY PROPERTY, YOU'LL SEE THE LINES WHERE IT'S OUTLINING WHERE THE HOMES ARE AND YOU KNOW, AND MY ENTRANCE IS DOWN CLOSE TO THE SIGN, SIGN SHOP.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK TO THE, UM, THE TOP SIDE OF MY PROPERTY DOWN, KEEP GOING DOWN GROVE ROAD, WHERE THE ONLY OTHER RESIDENT ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET IS AT THE CORNER OF GROVE ROAD AND CREST HILL ROAD.
AND THEN BEHIND ME, THERE'S NOTHING.
IT'S WOODED AREA AND THERE'S A CHURCH RIGHT NEXT TO THE SIGN SHOP WHO OWNS THE REST OF THE PROPERTY BEHIND ME AND THAT A CHURCH.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING CONCERNING, UM, COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, MIDWAY A RESIDENTIAL BLOCK.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT CLARIFICATION FOR THIS.
AND I KNOW THE, UM, FOR THIS CONTINU, THE, THE STAFF WAS CHARGED A TASK WITH, UH, FINDING OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT ZONING CODE FOR ME TO USE.
AND THEY CAME BACK WITH C TWO WITH A CD OF, UM, I GUESS, UM, CONTRACTOR, UM, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY.
SO, AND I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER CODE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, ZONING THAT WOULD GET ME TO WHERE I CAN BUILD MY OFFICE, WHERE I CAN CONTINUE TO GROW MY BUSINESS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO.
I'M A DISABLED VETERAN, UH, SERVICE DISABLED VETERAN.
UM, BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME, UH, BEEN DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BEAR COUNTY,
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AND ALSO THE GOVERNMENT BASIS.UM, IF YOU'LL STAY AND WAIT, THERE MAY BE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO AND, UM, LIKELY THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS.
IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM.
MR. LONGORIA, ARE YOU THERE? MR. LONGORIA, ARE YOU THERE? HELLO? HELLO? YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
UH, YOU HAVE, UH, YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, SIR.
UH, MY NAME IS RAMON LONGORIA.
I LIVE AT ONE 50 GROVE, WHICH INCLUDES 1 38 GROVE DRIVE, WHICH IS, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED, UH, REZONING.
UM, MY MAIN CONCERN IS, UM, THIS COMMERCIAL, IF THIS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY GETS TURNED INTO COMMERCIAL, IT LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN IN SOMEBODY'S NEIGHBORHOOD.
UNDERSTAND THIS, UH, MR. MONROE WANTS TO OPEN UP HIS BUSINESS, BUT THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT PLACE FOR IT.
UH, HIS MAIN IDEA IS THAT THERE'S A COMMERCIAL LOT, UM, WHICH IS IN THE CORNER OF RIGSBY AND GROVE.
BUT TO BRING A COMMERCIAL ZONE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S VERY INCONSIDERATE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.
UH, THERE IS PLENTY OF, UM, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHICH HE CAN GROW AS BUSINESS, WHICH IS HIS DREAM OF GROWING A BUSINESS, BUT NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S VERY INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING HERE, ESPECIALLY MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.
IF YOU'LL HOLD JUST ONE MOMENT, LET ME CHECK TO SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LONGORIA? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
I'M IN THE SHADE AND SUN HERE TO, TO THE CALLER.
COULD YOU TELL ME AGAIN, DO YOU, YOU HAVE A RESIDENCE ON GROVE AND WHERE IS IT LOCATED? I LIVE, UH, ONE 50 GROVE, UH, WHICH INCLUDES 1 38, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE PROPOSED REZONING LOT.
AND WHAT IS NEXT? WHAT IS ON EITHER SIDE OF YOU ON, UM, IF I'M STARING AT THE FRONT PORCH, MY LEFT SIDE WILL BE THE NEON SHOP AND THAT AUTOBODY SHOP, WHICH IS UP OF, UH, RIGSBY AND TO THE RIGHT OF MY HOUSE, IT'S, UM, RESIDENTIAL MY NEIGHBOR.
BECAUSE I'M, IF I LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT A LOT NEXT TO YOU THAT HAS CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL ON IT.
I GUESS THEY BUILT SOMETHING RECENTLY.
UM, THAT AUTO BODY SHOP OWNS THAT EMPTY LOT THAT HAS CONSTRUCTION DIRT.
HE JUST PLANNING ON BUILDING SOMETHING ON IT, BUT IT HASN'T DONE, SO.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR MR. LONGORIA? UH, COMMISSIONER JONES? YES.
UH, MR. LONGORIA, WERE YOU, UH, OPPOSED A SENSE THAT SIGN SHOP IS THERE? WERE YOU OPPOSED BECAUSE OF THE, UH, POTENTIAL NOISE OR JUST YOU JUST DON'T WANT ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, OFFICE SPACE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY? WELL, UM, I'VE LIVED HERE OVER 25 YEARS AND I KNOW I BOUGHT THIS LAND NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER.
THAT'S A COMMERCIAL ZONE, BUT I OPPOSE ANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT, IT'S, IT'S A VERY INAPPROPRIATE TO BRING A BUSINESS INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, WHERE WE RESIDE.
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A LOT IN FRONT OF A HOUSE BELONGS ON A COMMERCIAL SCREEN.AND THAT INCLUDES A OFFICE SPACE.
I'M SORRY? I SAID, AND THAT INCLUDES OFFICE SPACE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, IT'S THIS OFFICE SPACE THAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED.
IT'S WAY TOO BIG TO HAVE IN FRONT OF A, A NEIGHBORHOOD HOME.
IT, IT, IT'S JUST WAY TOO BIG FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH QUE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR MR. LONGORIA? OKAY.
THANK YOU MR. LONGORIA FOR CALLING IN.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR INPUT.
SO, MR. MONROE, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TIME TO RESPOND? UM, YES.
UM, UM, I DO KNOW MR. LONGORIA, UH, HIM AND I, WE TALK ON A REGULAR BASIS AND HE HAVE, UH, EXPRESSED, UM, HIS, HIS WIFE'S CONCERN ABOUT, UM, WAKING UP, LOOKING OUT AND SEEING A BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEIR HOME.
AND, UM, I MEAN, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND THAT'S WHY I AM TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER, UH, CONSTRUCTION BUILDING THAT I DO THERE IT IS, YOU KNOW, PLEASING TO THE EYE AND THE PROPERTY IS WELL MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, THAT IT DOESN'T, UM, CAST ANY NEGATIVE, UH, VIEW ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE INTENT.
UM, I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS SAYING AND, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, UM, WITH THEIR HOPES OF BUILDING MY OFFICE SPACE ON THERE.
UM, AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBOR OR WHATEVER.
AND MR. LOR, HE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, HE'S A GOOD GUY.
YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I TRY TO KEEP THE PROPERTY MAINTAINED, UM, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
THANK YOU MR. MONROE, IF YOU'LL STAND BY, WE WILL LIKELY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
MR. MONROE IS WHAT TYPE OF BUFFER WOULD BE, SAY LIKE IF YOU HAD, UH, TREES IN FRONT OR HEDGES OR THAT KIND OF THING, WHAT KIND OF BUFFER WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THAT MR. LONGORIA IS REFERRING TO? WELL, RIGHT NOW THE PLAN IS TO PUT A SIX FOOT, UH, FENCE AROUND MY PROPERTY.
ONE FOR SECURITY AND TWO FOR, YOU KNOW, THE BEAUTIFICATION OF A COMMERCIAL LOT.
UM, AND THIS WOULD BE A ROD IRON FENCE, UM, WHICH WOULD BE VISIBLE TO SEE THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN, I COULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT WAS JUST A CLASSIC ROD IRON FENCE THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, COLOR CODED OR PAINTED, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH, UM, CONCRETE PILLOWS AND, YOU KNOW, SO MANY FEET APART.
UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE INTENT.
I CAN'T DO A WHOLE LOT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I DO HAVE PLANNED, UM, IT IS, WE'RE GONNA BE A NICE, NICE OFFICE SPACE.
SO, AND THE, SO THE BLACK LINE IS THE FENCE, AND THEN YOU HAVE, SO THE NEIGHBOR WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE FENCE AND THEN THROUGH THE FENCE THEY WOULD MAINLY SEE TREES AND THEN CARS FURTHER BACK, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THEN THE BUILDING, AND THEN OF COURSE THE BUILDING STRUCTURE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I PLAN TO PUT A NICE FACADE ON THE BUILDING 'CAUSE I WANTED TO BE A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING.
AND, AND, UH, YOU WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS OF NO HEAVY, UH, NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND SPECIFIC USE FOR OFFICE SPACE, CORRECT?
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NOT AT ALL.'CAUSE LIKE I SAID BEFORE, UH, ANY HEAVY EQUIPMENT WOULD NOT BE COMING TO MY OFFICE FOR ME TO DO WORK.
COMMISSIONER JONES, ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND IF, UH, IF WE COULD GO TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE, UH, FLOOR PLAN AND THE ELEVATIONS, UH, JUST PASS IT UP RIGHT THERE.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR THE, THE APPLICANT IS, I SEE IN THE UPPER, UPPER RIGHT CORNER AT, UH, GRID LINE 11 A OR COLUMN 11 A, I SEE, UH, SOME BOXES WITH AN X, WHICH TO ME REPRESENT EITHER A DOCK LEVELER OR THAT THERE'S A DOCK.
DO YOU HAVE DOCKS ON THE OUTSIDE? I SEE SOME ROLL UP DOORS.
NO, THAT WOULD BE ROLL UP DOORS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT X IS REPRESENTING IS ROLL UP DOORS.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, BECAUSE, UH, IF I'M GOING TO BUILD A BUILDING, AND LIKE I SAID, I DO HAVE SMALL TRUCKS AND, UH, TRAILERS, UH, THAT I USE, UH, FOR EVERYDAY USE, I WOULD PARK THEM INSIDE OF THE BAY.
SO THAT, SO THERE IS NO, UM, MY, MY CONCERN BEING THAT, UH, WHEN THAT THERE WOULD BE A, A DOCK THERE WHERE YOU HAVE HEAVIER TRUCK TRAFFIC, UM, ALSO ON YOUR FLOOR OR YOUR SITE PLAN.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO DESIGN, BUT I NOTICED THAT YOU HAD THE DUMPSTER AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACING THE NEIGHBORS.
AND THAT CONCERNS ME AS WELL, RIGHT THERE UP ON THE UPPER RIGHT DUMPSTER.
UM, AND THIS WAS WHAT THE ARCHITECT PUT TOGETHER FOR ME.
OF COURSE, ALL OF THIS IS JUST A TEMPORARY LAYOUT AND CAN BE CHANGED, YOU KNOW? YES.
AND, AND, UM, BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANT THE DUMPSTER ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE PARKING AND STUFF.
AND MY, MY CONCERN IS NOT JUST THAT THE IN THE BACK.
MY CONCERN IS NOT JUST THAT THERE'S THE, IS THE, UH, VISUAL OF IT, BUT ALSO THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE DUMPSTER TRUCKS COME, YOU KNOW, USUALLY FOR COMMERCIAL IT'S, UM, LATE IN THE EVENING, EARLY IN THE, IN THE MORNING, GOING DOWN THE RESIDENTIAL ROAD.
BUT, UM, THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, SO THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? UH, THANK YOU.
FIRST STAFF COULD, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN AGAIN WHY C THREE IS REQUIRED HERE? IS IT BECAUSE OF THE, THE SIZE AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING? UH, NO.
THE C THREE WAS WHAT THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY WANTED, AND HE IS AMENDING TO C TWO CD FOR A CON, UH, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY.
AND SO, UH, BASED ON THE, THE BUILDING BEING A WAREHOUSE AND OFFICE SPACE, ALONG WITH HEAVY TRUCKS AND TRAILERS AND BAY DOOR AND BAY DOORS, UH, THAT WAS MOST CONSISTENT WITH THE CON CONTRACTOR FACILITY.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO STAFF WOULD, WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF HEAVY TRUCKS? SO AN F ONE 50, F TWO 50 IS CONSIDERED A HEAVY TRUCK, OR IT'S ANY COMPANY, TRUCK, ANYTHING THAT IS A COMPANY TRUCK USED IN COORDINATION WITH THAT BUSINESS ON SITE, EVEN IF THEY'RE COMING AND GOING, COMING IN THE MORNING, LEAVING IN THE AFTERNOON, COMPANY TRUCK, PERSONAL CAR.
SO, AND HOW ABOUT A PERSONAL CAR THAT'S NOT A HEAVY TRUCK? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE REGULAR TRAFFIC TO THE SITE AND AS LONG AS IT'S NOT WRAPPED IN THE BUSINESS LOGO, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE BUSINESS.
WOULD IT BE USED AS A CAR TO COME AND GO? 'CAUSE HE GOES AND VISITS CLIENTS? IS THAT CONSIDERED HEAVY TRUCK? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? LOGO? HE HAS A TRUCK AND HIS LOGO
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OR JUST THAT IT SAYS CONSTRUCTION ON THE COMPANY SIGN IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THAT IF THERE'S ANY VEHICLE, WHETHER IT'S A TRUCK OR CAR THAT IS PARKED ON THE SITE THAT HAS THE COMPANY LOGO, IT'S GONNA BE SEEN AS A CONTRACTOR FACILITY.YOU CAN HAVE AN OFFICE ON THERE, BUT AN OFFICE WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR PARKING OF ANY COMPANY VEHICLE, UH, CARS OR TRUCKS, WHICH WOULD PUT HIM OUT OF COMPLIANCE IF HE WERE JUST TO REZONE FOR AN OFFICE.
HE HAS ALREADY STATED THAT HE PARKS HIS COMPANY TRUCK.
IT MAY NOT BE, IT MAY BE A SMALL PICKUP TRUCK, BUT IT IS STILL A CONTRACTOR'S TRUCK.
WHICH CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD SEE IT AS A CONTRACTOR FACILITY.
WELL, OKAY, YOU JUST SAID ANY, ANY VEHICLE WITH A LOGO ON IT COULD NOT BE PARKED THERE OR CONSIDERED OFFICE AT THAT POINT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT GOING OFFICE, BUT WE ARE GOING C C TWO, WHICH IS LIMITED FROM C THREE C3.
WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE YOUTH BE PULLED OFF DOWN ALL THE WAY TO C ONE.
UM, AND DON'T FORGET, C ONE HAS A BUILDING SIZE RESTRICTION OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, YOU COULD DO C ONE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE, UH, FOR A CONTRACTOR FACILITY, AGAIN, HE WOULD BE LIMITED TO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, HIS BUILDING, UM, CAN ONLY BE LESS THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
HE CAN ONLY HAVE, HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT PARKING IN THE FRONT.
HE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE MOST OF THE PARKING TO THE REAR OF THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN WINDOW FENESTRATION IS AT LEAST 30%.
WHAT WAS THAT WINDOW? DID YOU SAY WINDOW.
DID, DID, UH, WAS THIS DISCUSSED WITH MR. MONROE? MAYBE, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
LIKE IT, SO MR. MONROE GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HIS ZONING, UH, CASE AND THEN YOU, Y'ALL LOOK AT IT AND THEN YOU SAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA DENY IT, DENY IT.
DO YOU GIVE HIM A SET ANOTHER OPTION SO IT DOESN'T COME TO DENIAL? OR YOU WOULD, IF WE WENT C C ONE CONDITIONAL, WOULD YOU HAVE DENIED THAT AS WELL? YES, MA'AM.
SO WE GIVE 'EM OPTIONS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN CHOOSE THE LEAST INTENSE ZONING DISTRICT.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE BUILT VIRTUAL AT ALL.
WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE REMAIN RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, IT'S ADJACENT FROM ONE RESIDENTIAL.
THE WHOLE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY ON AND ACROSS THE STREET ARE RESIDENTIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
MR. MR. MONROE, IS HE STILL THERE? YES, MA'AM.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UM, AND ARE YOU BUSY RIGHT NOW? UH, NO MA'AM.
SO WHAT IS YOUR, UM, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WOULD BE AT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY? SHOULD YOU BE ALLOWED TO BUILD IT? RIGHT NOW I HAVE A STAFF OF, UH, UH, ROUGHLY AROUND THREE EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD BE UTILIZING THE SPACE.
BUT I WAS TRYING TO BUILD A SPACE FOR EXPANSION OF MY STAFF BECAUSE I'M LOOKING, LIKE I SAID, TO GROW MY BUSINESS AND TO HAVE ADEQUATE STAFF THAT WE WILL HAVE OFFICE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
AND, UM, UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW LARGE I WOULD GROW.
UM, BUT, UH, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE, THE SECONDARY PLAN, IF IT WAS A C ONE CONDITIONAL, YOU HAVE TO KEEP, STAY WITHIN THAT 5,000 SQUARE FEET AND PARKING IN THE REAR, WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION FOR YOU? WELL, THAT IS, THAT IS AN OPTION.
BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WOULD I HAVE TO
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YOU KNOW, AND NOW, SO THE ZONING IS BASICALLY TELLING ME, YOU KNOW, WELL, DICTATING MY OFFICE PLAN, MY, UH, LAYOUT EVERYTHING.YOU DID COME TO THE CITY GOVERNMENT TO ASK FOR, UM, A CHANGE IN ZONING.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT DOES SORT OF PUT YOU, PUT YOU IN ANY APPLICANT AND THAT POSITION OF COMPROMISE.
UM, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IS, IS THE, IF WE WENT C ONE THAT MAY, THAT MAY INTRIGUE MORE OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO VOTE FOR AN APPROVAL, THEN THE MORE INTENSE, UH, ZONING OF C TWO.
BUT DOES C ONE WOULD MEAN PARKING IN THE REAR? I MEAN, IT LOOKS DOABLE AND IT MAY I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
I HAVE ENOUGH PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
OKAY, THEN, UM, BACK TO STAFF.
UH, HELLO, ARE YOU THERE? YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
I, YOU GUYS ARE EATING MOOSE MUNCH, AREN'T YOU? UM, I'M TEASING.
UM, IF, IF, LET'S SAY MR. MONROE LIKES THE SUGGESTION OF C ONE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD MEAN IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN.
IS THAT CORRECT? FOR NO, IT'S THE C ONE REQUEST IS WITHIN THE RANGE.
HE COULD AMEND C ONE, THE ZONING COMMISSION.
CAN'T CONSIDER C ONE, UH, WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE, UH, TODAY.
OH, WE COULD DO IS C ONE TODAY? YES, MA'AM.
COULD YOU GO OVER THAT AGAIN? SO, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT C ONE WOULD REQUIRE OF HIM? SURE.
SO, UM, WE CAN WORK WITH HIM ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT IT JUST BASICALLY LIMITS YOUR BUILDING SIZE TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
UH, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ON, ON THE LOCATION OF THE PARKING BECAUSE, UH, MOST OF YOUR PARKING WILL HAVE TO BE IN THE REAR AND YOU'LL NEED TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, DURING YOUR BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, YOU HAVE A WINDOW FENESTRATION ON THE FRONT SIDE OF 30% WINDOWS.
UH, SO JUST KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO, UH, IF YOU WANT THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER C ONE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE, YOU JUST NEED TO STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
UM, SO I GUESS I HAVE TO TOSS A BALL OVER TO, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES.
PERHAPS CAN I JUST ASK SOME QUESTIONS FIRST? UH, I SEE.
WELL, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS BEFORE WE WELL, I WAS, I WAS GONNA ASK COMMISSIONER JONES A QUESTION AND THEN I'LL OH, YOU WANNA ASK HER A QUESTION? SURE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SECONDARY OPTION SO THAT THE PARKING IS IN THE REAR THAT MIGHT BE LESS INTENSIVE TO THE, THE, THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANNA HANDLE THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU AND THE APPLICANT FOLLOWED THAT O OTHER OPTION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? OKAY, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE, UM, IT SAYS, WHAT IS THAT, 87,120 SQUARE FEET? IS THAT FOR THE BUILDING OR THE OVERALL PROJECT TO, UH, THAT WAS THE OVERALL LOT.
HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THE BUILDING? THE BUILDING, UH, SQUARE FEET THAT I, UH, THAT I PROPOSED, UM, WAS, UH, 18, 18,000.
OH, YOU'RE OVER, HE'S OVER 4,000.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I WILL BE WILLING TO CUT DOWN TO THE C ONE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
THANK YOU MR. MARRO, UH, STAFF.
UM, SO CAN YOU, UM, IN BOTH SCENARIOS FOR ME, PLEASE, UM, WHETHER IT'S, UH, C TWO CD OR C ONE CD, WHAT OTHER TYPE? SO LET'S SAY THAT HIS BUSINESS GROWS AND HE MOVES TO ANOTHER LOCATION A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
WHAT OTHER, UH, USES COULD COME UNDER THE C ONE CD AND THE C TWO CD ACROSS FROM THE HOMES THERE? THIS IS CHRISTIE.
IT'S GONNA BE ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED BASICALLY IN
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THE C ONE DISTRICT AND THE C TWO DISTRICT IN ADDITION TO A CONTRACTOR FACILITY.SO IF IT'S ZONE C ONE CD FOR CONTRACTOR OR C TWO CD FOR CONTRACTOR, THE CONTRACTOR FACILITY WILL ALWAYS BE THERE UNTIL IT'S REZONED AGAIN, UH, TO REMOVE THAT USE OR TO REZONED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT SOME OF THE USES IN C ONE ARE THINGS LIKE RETAIL STORES, BOOKSTORES, CANDY STORES, COMPUTER STORES, RESTAURANTS, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH DRIVE THROUGH POTENTIALLY A FOOD PARK, AN OUTDOOR FOOD PARK, ANY NUMBER OF OF THINGS.
GIFT SHOPS, HARDWARE, HARDWARE, SALES, GROCERY STORE.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
JUST CHECKING AGAIN, ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT, UM, FOR AN AMENDMENT TO A C ONE CONDITIONAL USE WITH RESTRICTIONS OF NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL WITH AMENDMENT BY COMMISSIONER JONES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS DISCUSSION.
ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE? YES, MADAM CHAIR? YES.
WE JUST NEED TO BE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT IS AGREEABLE TO A C ONE CD, SO HE NEEDS TO STATE IT FOR THE RECORD IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S HOW THIS IS PROCEEDING FORWARD.
UM, YOU CAN, UH, DISCUSS THAT WITH MS. MONROE IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE THERE.
MR. MONROE, CAN YOU STATE FOR THE RECORD WHETHER YOU WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO AMENDING YOUR REQUEST TO A C ONE CD FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY? FACILITY? UM, YEAH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, YOU SAY THAT WITH THE RESTRICTION OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT, AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED BEFORE, EVEN IF I'M DRIVING MY PERSONAL VEHICLE AND IT HAS MY COMPANY LOGO ON THE SIDE IS CONSIDERED A HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S GONNA BE ANY, THE RESTRICTION IS GOING TO BE FOR ANY OUTSIDE STORAGE OF ANY KIND OF EQUIPMENT RELATED TO THE BUSINESS USE.
SO BACKHOES OR, UH, LARGE TRUCKS, TRAILERS, TRAILERS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE RESTRICTION WILL BE FOR.
SO THAT MEANS THAT IF THEY, UH, IMPOSE THAT CONDITION THAT IF CODE ENFORCEMENT IS CALLED OUT TO GO TO THE SITE, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND SEE WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE.
AND IF YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THAT, THEN YOU WOULD NOT, THEN YOU WOULD LIKELY BE GIVEN A WARNING AND POTENTIALLY, EVENTUALLY A CITATION.
BECAUSE, UM, WELL, MY, MY UM, ISSUE IS THAT IF I HAVE NOWHERE TO, UH, PARK MY VEHICLE, 'CAUSE I CAN ONLY DRIVE ONE VEHICLE AT A TIME IF I HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK 'EM IN A SECURE LOCATION.
I MEAN, THAT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE, THE OFFICE SIZE HAS BEEN CUT DOWN TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE NORMALLY I WOULD PARK MY 10 FOOT TRAILER INSIDE OF THE BAY WHERE IT IS UNDER LOCKING KEY AND I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYONE STEALING IT IN WHICH I'VE HAD TWO TRAILERS STOLEN THIS PAST YEAR.
SO I GUESS THE, UH, MY MAIN CONCERN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM, HAVE NO ISSUE WITH DOWNGRADING TO THE C ONE AND DOWNGRADING TO THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING, UM, SIDE, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE PARKING WOULD BE IN THE REAR AND OF COURSE THAT'S WHERE I WOULD HAVE TO PARK MY VEHICLES IN THE REAR OVERNIGHT WHILE I'M GOING HOME TO GET SLEEP.
AND AS PART OF A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT.
AND SO IF IT'S JUST A GENERAL USED VEHICLE, UH, PERSONAL VEHICLE, THOSE ARE ABLE TO BE STORED PROPERLY BEHIND THE, THE BUILDING AS PRESCRIBED BY THE C ONE DISTRICT.
IT'S THE BIG, MY SMALL UTILITY TRAILER.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
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OKAY.I, I, I, I ADD, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION IF I COULD.
SO IF YOU GO SEE ONE, EVERYTHING IS PARKED IN THE BACK AND HE WON'T BE ABLE TO PARK ANYTHING INSIDE.
UM, BUT HE'S OKAY TO PARK THOSE TRAILERS AND THOSE TRUCKS IN THE BACK, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, NOT THE TRAILERS.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CONCERN HE HAS IS HE HAS SOME TRAILERS THAT HE WAS PLANNING TO LEAVE OUTSIDE.
THERE'S SOME THAT HE STORES INSIDE OF THIS BUILDING, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS THAT HE WANTS TO LEAVE OUTSIDE.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED? NO, NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT BECAUSE IF I WAS ABLE TO BUILD THE SIZE BUILDING THAT I WANTED, ALL OF MY TRAILERS WOULD FIT INSIDE.
I ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF TRAILERS AND I WOULD PARK THEM INSIDE OF THE BAY.
THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE GARAGE TYPE DOOR, THE OVERHEAD DOOR THAT I COULD JUST PULL MY VEHICLES INSIDE.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE LAST MEETING, WHEN I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN ABOUT THE STORAGE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU WERE SAYING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO STORAGE ON SITE.
WELL, I HAVE HAND TOOLS AND, YOU KNOW, SMALL TOOLS THAT THE GUYS USE EVERY DAY THAT ARE INSIDE MY VEHICLE OR THAT I WOULDN'T NORMALLY LEAVE INSIDE THE VEHICLE PARKED OUTSIDE.
I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A STORAGE ROOM TO OFFLOAD THAT EQUIPMENT INTO FOR, FOR SAFETY.
SO I THINK THEY'RE SAYING THEN THAT YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE C TWO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAILERS, THEY'D HAVE TO BE PARKED INSIDE UNDER C ONE.
THE TRAILER CANNOT BE CHANGED IN THE BACK EXPOSED.
SO THAT PUTS YOU BACK AT THE C TWO.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST ONE POINT OF IT'S NOT A CONDITION, JUST ONE POINT.
IS THERE NOT A CONDITION THAT COULD BE RECOMMENDED OR CONSIDERED? WELL, WE DID WITH THE C ONE TRYING THINKING, IT'S LESS INTENSE.
OUR PARKING IS IN THE BACK, BUT YOU CAN'T PARK THOSE TRAILERS IN THE BACK AND YOUR, AND YOUR BUILDING SIZE WAS REDUCED.
SO NOW YOU CAN'T PARK THE TRAILERS INSIDE AS WELL.
SO YOU'RE BACK TO C TWO AND AT STEP YOU, THERE'S JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I JUST HAVE TO MAKE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
THE C ONE AND THE C TWO FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY WOULD ALLOW THE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
JONES IS REQUESTING FOR NO OUTSIDE STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT, EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE INSIDE THE BUILDING.
THAT IS WHAT'S HINDERING THE REQUEST.
SHE CAN, IF SHE SH SO CHOOSES AND THAT WOULD ALLOW PARKING OF THE TRAILERS IN THE BACK, SHE COULD LIMIT IT TO THE BACK.
AND THEN WHAT TYPE, WHEN, WHEN YOU TAKE OFF THAT RESTRICTION, WHAT DOES THAT OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR OTHER TYPES OF EQUIPMENT THOUGH? IT'S STILL THE SAME, MA'AM, IT WOULD STILL BE ALL OF THE C TWO USES OR ALL OF THE C THE C ONE USES IN ADDITION TO THE CONTRACTOR FACILITY.
SO WHERE ARE WE AT? UM, COMMISSIONER JONES, BUT I, I STILL HAVE A QUESTION.
I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE USE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SHE SAID THE RESTRICTION WAS HEAVY EQUIPMENT, SO IF SHE TAKES IT OFF OR HEAVY EQUIPMENT, THEN DOES THAT OPEN THE DOOR FOR MORE THAN TRAILERS TO BE PARKED IN THE BACK? IS THAT WAS MY QUESTION, BUT OKAY.
COMMISSIONER JONES? YES MA'AM.
IT DOES, IT DOES OPEN IT UP FOR MORE THINGS TO BE STORED OUTSIDE.
BUT AS FAR AS THE FACILITY GO, AND NOW THE SPACE IS CUT DOWN CONSIDERABLY, THERE'S REALLY NOT ROOM TO PARK A LOT OF STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND MY QUESTION, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, SO IF I CUT IT DOWN LIKE THE C THREE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT AND THEN I DO THE PARKING THAT ACCOMMODATE THE, I GUESS THE, UM, PERSONNEL LOAD OF A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE PROPERTY? WOULD IT STILL BE ZONED, UH, RESIDENTIAL? SO THE ONLY WAY TO LIMIT THE ENTIRE, UH, THE PROPERTY TO A CERTAIN SIZE IS WITH FIELD NOTES.
SO WE HAVE FIELD NOTES THAT WOULD ONLY REZONE PART OF THE PROPERTY, THEN THE REST OF THE PROPERTY WOULD REMAIN RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THE WAY IT'S SUBMITTED, THE WAY YOU SEE IT ON THE MAP IS WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
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HAVE A QUESTION.I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS CASE BEFORE.
CAN THIS CASE GO TO CONTINUANCE AGAIN? SURE.
UH, THIS IS THE ONE, THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND HEARING.
BUT IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CONSIDER A A, A CONTINU CAN OR HE COULD PROCEED TO COUNSEL, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE MOTION TODAY, AND THAT WOULD BY DEFAULT VIA DENIAL.
SO CONTINUANCE MIGHT GIVE HIM A LITTLE MORE TIME TO CONSIDER THOSE TWO OPTIONS.
UM, I'M WILLING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT THE C ONE, BUT WITH THE CONDITION THAT I CAN PARK MY TRAILERS THERE AND ALSO TO LIMIT THAT C ONE, UH, COMMERCIAL TO A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND LEAVE THE REST ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
THEN YOU'RE TALKING FIELD NOTES HERE.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, STEPH? CORRECT.
WILL WE BE READY TODAY OR NOT? IF YOU HAD TO DO FIELD NOTES? YOU DON'T HAVE FIELD NOTES IN HAND TODAY? NO.
AND I JUST NEED TO BE EDUCATED ON WHAT IT IS THAT I NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO PRESENT THE BEST RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, UH, OF THE CORRECT WAY SHOULD I SAY, SO THAT WE DON'T KEEP CONTINUING, CONTINUING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S TIME IS VALUABLE, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS TO REST AS YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE EVEN IF WHEN YOU DO COME BACK, OKAY.
SO, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THAT CORRECT.
UM, POSSIBLY, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE, SO WHAT I WOULD DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS IS I WOULD GET MY COUNCIL AID, WHICH IS WHAT PRE ZONING, SET A MEETING WITH, UM, STAFF, MAYBE EVEN, I DON'T KNOW.
THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO PRESENT IT TO THE, YOUR NEIGHBORS STILL TOO, EVEN AFTER YOU DO ALL OF THIS AND MAYBE COMMISSIONER JONES AND HASH IT OUT UNTIL YOU GET IT, YOU KNOW, NARROWED DOWN TO WHAT YOU WANT AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THEN COME BACK HERE.
BUT YOU, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT SO, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS CASE AND WE'RE LIKE NOWHERE RIGHT AT THIS MO I MEAN, WELL, WE HAVE MADE SOME PROGRESS.
THAT'S NOT CORRECT, BUT, UH, SO ANYWAY, SO, UH,
AND UM, AND I THINK MR. LOR MAY BE STILL ON THE LINE LISTENING IN AND I'LL BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, TO SPEAK WITH, WITH HIM.
AND I THINK AT THAT POINT I THINK HIS RESIDENT WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED, IF ANY, YOU KNOW, TO THAT POINT AND, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER, YOU KNOW.
OKAY, SO WE, WE CAN VOTE THEN EVEN IF, UM, COMMISSIONER JONES SO CHOOSES THAT TO ASK FOR THE CONTINUANCE, IT STILL HAS TO BE VOTED ON.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE.
UM, COMMISSIONER JONES, I'M GONNA PUT THIS BACK IN YOUR HANDS.
I WANNA WITHDRAW MY PREVIOUS MOTION AND THEN, UH, MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE, UH, TILL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY 2ND.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE BY, UM, COMMISSIONER JONES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
ANY COMMISSIONERS? C N NONE? ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
UH, MA'AM, FIRST WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE INITIAL MOTION.
JONES HAS WITHDRAWN HER HER MOTION.
AND SO WE JUST NEED TO BE SURE THAT COMMISSIONER GIBBONS IS ALSO WITHDRAWING HER SECOND.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES, PLEASE FORGIVE MY PARLIAMENTARY
UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, ARE YOU, UM, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S WHEN I SHOULD MUTE AND UNMUTING WHEN I SHOULD MUTE? OH, YES.
OKAY, NOW STAFF, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS? THE MOTION AGAIN? NO, MA'AM.
I DO JUST WANNA CLARIFY THOUGH THAT THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR REIFICATION ON A CONTINUANCE.
OKAY? SO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE OPPOSED WILL NOT KNOW THAT, THAT THE CASE IS CONTINUED.
AND UNLESS THEY'RE LISTENING ONLINE MM-HMM.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND
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FOR A CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER THE 15TH.UH, WHENEVER THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY IS, AH, OKAY.
A CONTINUANCE TO JANUARY 19TH.
MOTION PASSES FOR A CONTINUANCE TO JANUARY THE 19TH, 2021 BY A VOTE OF 10 TO ZERO.
YOU READY? ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO AND C THREE TO C THREE CD.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH, WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR WEAR FOUR.
OKAY, WE'RE HAVING TO SKIP OVER ITEM NUMBER THREE AND GO TO NUMBER FOUR.
THE APPLICANT IS NOT AVAILABLE YET FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE.
[4. 20-6995 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700242 HL (Council District 2)]
NUMBER FOUR.ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM AE TWO TO AE TWO HHL.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 4 0 3 MONTANA STREET.
WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM ALAMO FROM ALAMO GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS IN SUPPORT.
THE CURRENT AE TWO ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA AS THE BASE ZONING WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
THE REZONING ESTABLISHES THE HISTORIC OVERLAY.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
SO I AM THE SCOUTS, A PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, AND I'M BRINGING THIS CASE FORWARD FOR YOU, UM, AT THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL.
UM, IF YOU COULD GO TO MY SECOND SLIDE IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THIS PROPERTY AT 4 0 3 MONTANA IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY QUEEN AND RESIDENCE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1897, UM, FOR NICHOLAS LEE PETRICK OF THE PET SAUER LUMBER COMPANY.
UM, IT WAS DESIGNED BY FREDERICK BOWEN GAINES, UM, AND IT'S LOCATED IN THE ALAMO DOME GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD AND CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO.
UM, YOU CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO AFTER WE RECEIVED THE DEMOLITION APPLICATION, O H P STAFF RESEARCHED THE STRUCTURE AND DETERMINED THAT IT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL LANDMARKS DESIGNATION.
UM, H D R C HEARD A REQUEST FOR A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE ON SEPTEMBER THE SECOND.
UM, THE COMMISSION AGREED WITH STAFF THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AND, UM, RECOMMENDED THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN THE REZONING PROCESS.
UM, CITY COUNCIL, UH, RESOLVED THAT STAFF SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH REZONING AS A LANDMARK ON OCTOBER 8TH.
AND THIS CASE WAS HEARD BY H D R C ON NOVEMBER THE 18TH, WHERE THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH DESIGNATION, UH, THE OWNER IS OPPOSED TO THE DESIGNATION.
UM, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, THE, UH, HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION EVALUATED THE PROPERTY FOR ELIGIBILITY, UM, UH, BASED ON FOUR DIFFERENT CRITERIA.
UM, NUMBER THREE FOR ITS AFFILIATION WITH NICHOLAS LEE PETRICK, WHO WAS, UH, THE FOUNDER AND FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE PET SOUR LUMBER COMPANY.
UM, CRITERION NUMBER FOUR, AS AN EARLY EXAMPLE OF THE WORK OF PROMINENT LOCAL ARCHITECT FREDERICK GAINES.
NUMBER FIVE, AS AN EXAMPLE OF A CLEAN AND STYLE RESIDENCE.
AND NUMBER 13 BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION WITHIN ALLOME GARDENS, WHICH WAS HISTORICALLY KNOWN AS HISTORIC GARDENS, WHICH HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, UM, BY O H P STAFF AS AN ELIGIBLE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, IF YOU'LL PROGRESS TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM,
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AGAIN, THE H D R C RECOMMENDED DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY LAST MONTH AFTER CITY COUNCIL RESOLVED IN OCTOBER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THE ZONING CHANGE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.UM, AND YOU CAN GO TO THE FINAL SLIDE.
UH, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CASE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
DO WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT THE OWNER IS NOT ANSWERING RIGHT NOW AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THE OWNER'S NOT ANSWERING? WOW, I THINK THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT,
WE'VE TRIED THREE TIMES AND WE'RE GETTING NO ANSWER.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO? COME BACK TO THIS CASE OR WE SHOULD HAVE, YES, WE CAN COME BACK.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO THEN, UM, I GUESS WE'RE, UH, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO M H D.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 51 0 3 TILBURN DRIVE.
THERE WERE 22 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, THREE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM SOUTHWEST COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
THE CURRENT R SIX IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED M H C MANUFACTURING, MANUFACTURED HOUSING CONVENTIONAL DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE ON AN INDIVIDUAL LOT AND IS CONSIDERED A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE LAND USE PLAN.
A MANUFACTURED HOME IS CLASSIFIED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT REQUIRES REZONING TO M H C STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? YES.
UM, UM, WOULD YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR CASE PLEASE? YEAH, I THINK THIS IS REGARDING MY PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY AT 4 0 3 MONTANA, UH, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 3.
THIS IS FOR THE PREVIOUS CASE,
SO, UM, HANG ON ONE MOMENT PLEASE.
SO WE ARE RETURNING TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND WE ARE GOING TO PUT ITEM FIVE ON HOLD.
EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THAT, RIGHT? ALL COMMISSIONERS THAT WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CASE.
ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
UM, SO NOW YOU CAN ADDRESS THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
THIS IS IN RES, UH, REFERENCE TO A REZONING TO INCLUDE THE HL HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, I AM HIGHLY OPPOSED TO THE REZONING, UM, OF THIS, THIS LOT.
UM, THE HISTORY OF THIS IS WE PULLED THE DEMO PERMIT BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS IN DISREPAIR.
WE SUBMITTED, UM, YOU KNOW, ENGINEER'S INFORMATION.
I HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, UH, COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR PERSONAL OPINIONS WERE TO CONDEMN THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY SAID ONCE HISTORIC GETS INVOLVED, THEY CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING.
UM, HAD TWO SITE VISITS WITH HISTORIC, BUT NONETHELESS, THEY FEEL LIKE THE, THE PROPERTY IS SAVEABLE, ALTHOUGH ALL PROFESSIONALS I'VE EVER WORKED WITH SAID THIS IS NOT A MODELABLE, UH, HOME.
AND THEN, SO THIS HAS BEEN, UH, PROJECT'S BEEN ON HOLD FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, UH, BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND THEN SECONDLY, I HAD, PRIOR TO EVEN PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY, I HAD SPOKE TO THE CITY, UM, ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL ZONING IS FOR, WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR.
THERE I WAS TOLD THEY WANTED, YOU KNOW, UH, BARS, RESTAURANTS, COFFEE SHOPS, ART GALLERIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT.
AND SO MY ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO, 'CAUSE IT'S A CORNER LOT, IS TO DEMO THE STRUCTURE, BUILD A SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON THE CORNER, AND THEN,
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YOU KNOW, UM, DIVIDE THE LOT AND DO TWO RE RETAIL, UM, SPACES ON THE BOTTOM, UM, WITH POTENTIALLY HAVING TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON TOP AS CONDOS.BUT, UM, WITH THIS, IT'S PUT WHOLE THING ON OLD AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC DEPARTMENT IS TO SAVE EVERY OLD BUILDING AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A LANDMARK SITE.
BUT THIS IS JUST NOT ONE THAT WOULD TRULY FIT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND DRIVE THAT LAW, YOU'LL SEE MODERN HOMES COMING UP ALL AROUND IT.
SO AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.
AND THEN LASTLY, THEY ACTUALLY, I CAN PROVE THIS, THAT THE JURISDICTION, THE SIX MONTHS AS TIMEFRAME OF THERE, OF THE DESIGNATION THAT THEY PUT ON IT SINCE WE PULLED THE DEMO PERMIT HAS MORE THAN EXPIRED.
AND SO THIS CASE SHOULD HAVE EVEN NEVER EVEN BEEN BROUGHT UP BECAUSE THEIR, LIKE I SAID, THEIR JURISDICTION WOULD'VE FALLEN OFF AFTER THE SIX HUNDRED EIGHTY EIGHT A HUNDRED EIGHTY DAY MARK.
THOSE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR THIS, THIS PROPERTY.
IF YOU'LL STAND BY, UH, BY, WE'RE LIKELY TO HAVE QUESTIONS.
STEPH, IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT BESIDES, UH, UM, MS. JACK? I FORGOT HIS LAST NAME? UM, SANTA.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. SANTA, UH, STAFF.
WAS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT BESIDES MR. SANTA? NO MA'AM.
SO MR. SANTA, IF YOU'LL JUST HOLD 'CAUSE WE'RE, UH, LIKELY TO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR.
AND THEN, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TIME TO RESPOND BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONER? UM, SURE.
UH, I THINK I CAN ADDRESS, UM, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE.
SO, UM, UH, UM, MR. SANTA, UH, REFLECTED THAT THERE WERE, UM, SITE VISITS, AND THAT'S CORRECT.
WE, UM, HOSTED A, UH, MEETING OF A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE H D R C, UM, CALLED THE, UM, DEMOLITION AND DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS, UM, VISIT THE SITE AND, UM, SEE THE STATE OF IT.
SO I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED ABOUT THE CONDITION, UM, BUT THEY DID NOT FEEL AS THOUGH, UH, THE CONDITION HARMED THE INTEGRITY TO MAKE IT INELIGIBLE AS A LANDMARK.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE CONCERNS REGARDING THE, THE TIMELINE, UM, I THINK AS ALL OF US KNOW, UM, THE, UH, UM, TIMELINES RIGHT NOW HAVE, UH, BEEN GREATLY AFFECTED BY COVID, BUT, UM, UH, THAT IS, UH, NOT CORRECT THAT OUR JURISDICTION HAS EXPIRED.
AND, UM, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN MOVING THIS THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS ACCORDING TO THE, UM, DIRECTION OF THE U D C.
SO, UM, UH, AND CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY HEARD THE CASE IN, UM, OCTOBER.
SO, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UH, COMMISSIONER JONES? UH, YES.
FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT, YOU SAID, UH, SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS CAME OUT TO SEE THE SITE.
WHEN WAS THAT? I'M NOT SURE IF THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT THEY WERE, UH, PART OF, UH, WHATEVER TEAM, UH, IS A PART OF THE HISTORIC TO DO THE SITE VISIT.
UM, I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT QUESTION WAS DIRECTED AT ME, BUT THEY WERE I COMMISSIONERS FROM THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JONES.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR DR.
CAN YOU JUST GO OVER THIS AGAIN, THAT, THAT WENT PRETTY FAST ABOUT THE SIX MONTHS.
UM, IS, IS THAT A POLICY AND IT'S BEEN WAIVED FOR SOME REASON, OR IS IT NOT A POLICY? CAN YOU FILL IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT? SURE, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.
SO THE SIX MONTHS THAT, UM, UH, THAT MR. SANHA REFERENCED, UM, UH, ARE THE SIX MONTHS THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY REMAINS UNDER, UH, THE PURVIEW OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
UM, ESSENTIALLY ONCE A PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS AN ELIGIBLE LANDMARK, UM, AND THAT DETERMINATION HAS BEEN FORMALIZED AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED OF THAT DETERMINATION, UM, FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION, UM, THERE ARE, UH, UH, INTERIM REQUIREMENTS FOR DESIGN REVIEW PLACED ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY FROM,
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UM, UH, CHANGES THAT WOULD AFFECT ITS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WHILE IT'S MOVING THROUGH THE DESIGNATION PROCESS.UM, ESSENTIALLY IT'S TREATED LIKE A LANDMARK UNTIL CITY COUNCIL SAYS, YOU KNOW, YES, YOU SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGNATION OR NO, YOU SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGNATION.
SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, A CASE THAT WE'VE BEEN, UM, UH, WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR, UH, QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, THIS FIRST CAME TO US IN 2019, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY DECEMBER OF 2020.
UM, AND, UH, WE HAD WORKED WITH HIM, AND THIS IS, UH, FAIRLY COMMON IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WILLING TO WITHDRAW THE DEMOLITION REQUEST TO EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS.
AND SO THAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE.
SO THAT, UM, PROVIDED A DELAY TO THE, UM, UH, UH, TO THE PROGRESS.
BUT THE DELAY TO THE PROGRESS DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE SIX MONTHS EXPIRES.
IT MEANS THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY, UH, UH, SORT OF IS ON HOLD UNTIL THEY DECIDE WHAT TO DO.
AND SO WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER INDICATED TO US THAT THEY, UM, UH, STILL WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEMOLITION, UM, WE STARTED WORKING WITH HIM AGAIN TO SCHEDULE THESE HEARINGS.
SO, UM, I HOPE THAT THAT WAS
I KNOW IT'S, UH, IT'S A COMPLICATED PROCESS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES IN IT, SO, NO, THAT'S FINE.
AND I, I THINK I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, BUT MY OTHER QUESTION IS JUST, UM, IF YOU COULD, UH, JUST GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CLAIM THAT, UH, THE, THIS OWNER HAD ENGINEERING FIRMS LOOK AT IT AND THEY CONCLUDE THAT IT'S NOT SALVAGEABLE.
UH, THAT, THAT MAY BE THE CASE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS NOT PROVIDED US WITH, UM, DOCUMENTATION OF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HEAR QUITE A BIT.
UM, AND, AND IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MOST, UM, IMPORTANT REASONS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE COMMISSIONERS TO VISIT PRIOR TO THE HEARING.
AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THAT SUBCOMMITTEE WENT OUT TO VIEW THE PROPERTY TO, TO, YOU KNOW, UH, EVALUATE WHETHER THERE WERE, UH, ORIGINAL MATERIALS LEFT.
AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO, UM, TO REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO THAT HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
SO, UM, UH, I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T COMMENT ON THE EVALUATIONS OF THE ENGINEERS WITHOUT HAVING, UM, SEEN THEM.
BUT IF YOU HAD SEEN THEM, WHEN YOU DO SEE THEM, THEN YOU TAKE THEM INTO ACCOUNT.
I MEAN, CER CERTAINLY THERE IS, UM, ROOM FOR A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, BUT OUR, UH, OUR DIRECTION FROM CODE IS TO, TO LOOK AT THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITE, NOT THE STATE OF THE SITE.
AND, UM, AS I'M SURE, UH, ALL OF YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, WE SEE, UM, PROPERTIES IN MUCH WORSE CONDITION THAN THIS ONE HERE, SO, OKAY.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROMERO.
UH, UH, JUST, JUST ONE MOMENT, SIR.
UM, NO, UH, YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT FOR A COMMISSIONER TO ASK YOUR QUESTION.
UM, IF, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONERS, COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES.
AND THIS IS A CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT AGAIN, AND, UM, YOU STATED H D R C DOESN'T NECESSARILY LOOK AT, UH, THE, UH, REPORTS, THE ENGINEERING REPORTS.
HOWEVER, DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC DOES NOT MEAN THAT DEMOLITIONS STILL CANNOT OCCUR.
THAT'S KIND OF JUST A, ANOTHER PROCESS WHERE THE, THE, UM, HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD THEN COME BACK TO H D R C AND SHOW PROOF OF, UM, CONDITION, AND THEN THE H D R C WOULD DETERMINE YES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S HISTORIC DEMOLITION COULD STILL PROCEED.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
THERE IS A PROCESS, UM, THAT A, UH, PROPERTY OWNER COULD FOLLOW, UM, IF THEY STILL WANTED TO PURSUE DEMOLITION AFTER DESIGNATION, AND ABSOLUTELY YOU CORRECT THE, UM, THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE, UM, KEY IN THAT, UH, REQUEST.
AND THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
COMMISSIONER SIPES, UM, COMMISSIONER JONES? YES, I, I'M JUST UNCLEAR WHO, IF, IF, IF HE, WHO DOES HE SUBMIT THOSE ENGINEERING REPORTS TO? SAY IF IT DOES GET DESIGNATED HISTORIC, UM, THOSE WOULD BE SUBMITTED ALONG WITH, UH, UM, AN H D R C REQUEST, UM, FOR DEMOLITION.
UH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE DEMOLITION.
AND SO, UM, IF, IF THAT WERE THE CASE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WERE TRYING TO MAKE, THAT IT WAS, UM, UH, NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO RESTORE THE PROPERTY, THEN UM, THEN THEY WOULD SUBMIT THAT ALONG WITH THEIR REQUEST FOR THE H D R C TO CONSIDER.
COMMISSIONER JONES, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS,
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UH, TO THE APPLICANT.SO WERE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE HR H R D C PROCESS OF SUBMITTING AN ENGINEER REPORT AFTER IT WAS DESIGNATED, I'M SORRY, TO THE APPLICANT OR TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE, I'M SORRY, UN TO THE OWNER? UH, NO.
SO I WASN'T AWARE OF ANY PROCESS, BUT I ACTUALLY HAD A PHYSICAL MEETING WITH JESSICA, UM, AND ONE OTHER PERSON, UM, AND ACTUALLY GAVE HARD COPIES OF THE ENGINEER'S REPORT AND THEIR ASSESSMENT.
UM, SO I'M CONFUSED ON WHY THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING.
AND THIS IS DURING THE TIME WHEN WE STILL HAD THE, THE DEMO APPLICATION, UM, IN GOOD STANDING.
UM, AND THEN I HAD REMOVED IT, BUT THEY HAD NEVER TOLD ME THAT REMOVING IT PUT THE HOLD ONTO IT JUST STRICTLY FROM THE TIME THAT THE DESIGNATION WAS PLACED.
SO, SO YOU WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS OR NO ONE, NO ONE GUIDED YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS? YEAH, I WAS, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, NOR WAS I GUIDED THROUGH IT, BUT FOR THEM TO SAY THAT I, THEY NEVER RECEIVED THE REPORT IS COMPLETELY FALSE BECAUSE I GAVE THEM HARD COPIES WHEN I MET THEM IN PERSON AT THEIR OFFICE, AND I'LL HAVE TO CHECK MY EMAIL, BUT I ALSO EMAILED THAT TO THEM.
AND THEN TO THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT BECAUSE THEY PUT THE DEMOLITION ON HOLD, THE CLOCK RESTARTED THE TIMECLOCK? UH, THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF, BUT THAT THAT'S WHAT IT, THEY'RE SOUNDING LIKE THEY'RE SAYING, UM, THAT THE, I WAS ASKING ON HOLD.
LET ME ASK THE APPLICANT THAT THE EIGHT OH, YES.
UM, WHEN, WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER WITHDRAWS, UH, THE DEMOLITION, UM, UH, BASICALLY IT PAUSES THE PROCESS.
SO IT, UM, IT DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T REMOVE THE TIMELINE ENTIRELY, BUT IT PAUSES.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S IN AN ATTEMPT TO GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNER TIME TO CONSIDER, UM, OTHER OPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE.
AND WERE, THOSE OTHER OPTIONS ARE, ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS COMING FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT OR YOUR ASKING THAT THEM TO PRESENT OTHER OPTIONS? NOT TO PRESENT THEM TO US, UM, TO, TO HAVE TIME TO, TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE ARE, UM, UH, ANY WAYS TO AVOID DEMOLITION, ESSENTIALLY.
WHAT IS IT YOU WANT FROM THIS PROPERTY? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN AT, IN THIS PROPERTY? ARE YOU'RE ASKING ME? YES.
WELL, UM, I THINK I, I AM FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL TO PURSUE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT CONTROLLED BY THE, UM, HISTORIC OVERLAY.
SO, UM, I COULDN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE.
SO YOU HAVE NO USE FOR THE PROPERTY, BUT THE, BUT THE OWNER DOES, AND THE OWNER COMES UP WITH A PLAN, TELLS US WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE PROPERTY, AND YOU TELL ME YOU HAVE NO USE OF IT.
WHAT, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WHAT VALUE IS THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S SITTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT VALUE WOULD YOU SIGN IT? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, COMMISSIONER, BUT I, I WOULD SAY THEY CERTAINLY, THE, UM, INTENT OF DESIGNATION AS TO SAVE STRUCTURES AND NOT TO WATCH THEM DETERIORATE.
AND WHAT VALUE DOES THAT BRING? HOW DOES IT BENEFIT ME? LET'S SAY ME WHO NEVER GOES DOWN THERE? OR HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE PEOPLE AROUND IT WHEN IT, RIGHT NOW IT'S AS A DILAPIDATED ABILITY, HOW WOULD IT, HOW DOES THAT DESIGNATION AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD BE HISTORIC AND DESIGN, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL STORY, BUT HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT PEOPLE TODAY? WELL, DESIGNATION IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL, AND WE HAVE SOME PRETTY STRONG TAX INCENTIVES THAT ARE TIED TO RESTORATION.
SO, UM, IT CERTAINLY COULD BE A, A PRETTY POWERFUL, UM, INCENTIVE FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
RESTORATION CAN BE RESTORED, WHICH WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND MY TIME IS RUNNING OUT IS YOU ARE GONNA HELP THEM WITH ONLY TAX INCENTIVES.
IS THAT, IS THAT LIKE THE FULL PROPERTY VALUE TAX WOULD BE WAIVED OR PARTIAL? UM, IT'S, UH, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS DEPENDING ON THE USE OF THE STRUCTURE AND, UM, IT IS, IT IS AN APPLICATION, UH, TO THE CITY TAX, UM, THAT'S DUE FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK IN MORE DETAIL WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT THAT AND WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO HIM AS WELL.
UM, OKAY, COMMISSIONER, JUST LET ME JUST MAKE SURE NOBODY ELSE IS QUICK.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER BUS MATE, YOU HAVEN'T GONE YET, RIGHT? OKAY.
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NOT, I'M NOT.AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, UM, TO THE APPLICANT, DR.
HAY, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I WANNA USE THE APPROPRIATE TERMS FROM THE U D C HERE WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE, AND NOW I'VE LOST IT, UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT'S DISTINCT FROM WHAT'S BEFORE THIS BODY NOW REGARDING HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THE, UM, THE UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONSIDERED WHEN A DEMOLITION OF A DESIGNATED LANDMARK, UH, IS THE REQUEST.
AND IN THIS CASE, WE ARE SIMPLY CONSIDERING THE DESIGNATION OF THE LANDMARK.
AND IN THAT CONSIDERATION OF THE DESIGNATION OF THE LANDMARK, THE H D R C, UH, CENTER COMMITTEE TO VIEW THIS PROPERTY, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, THE H D R C HELD A HEARING TO CONSIDER THE FOUR ITEMS THAT YOU LISTED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THEY BELIEVED MAKE THIS PROPERTY HISTORIC, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER BUSER MATE, COMMISSIONER WHITE TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, YOU, YOU LISTED THE FOUR REASONS.
I I GUESS THAT, THAT Y'ALL BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S HISTORIC.
UM, THERE'S MORE CRITERIA THAN FOUR AVAILABLE TO YOU TO CHOOSE FROM.
RIGHT? THERE ARE 16 TOTAL CRITERIA LISTED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, A STRUCTURE NEEDS TO MEET THREE OF THEM.
IT NEEDS TO MEET THREE OF 'EM.
YOU SAID THERE'S 16 AND YOU GUYS FOUND IT MET FOUR OF 16? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, TO, TO, TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, THE APPLICANT MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT, UH, THERE WERE SOME TAX INCENTIVES AND THINGS THAT WERE COMMUNICATED TO YOU.
UH, CAN, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THOSE ARE? MR. SANTA? DID WE LOSE THEM? MR. SANTA? HOLD ON.
MR. SANTA, YOU SHOULD BE MUTED NOW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT A LONG TIME SINCE I SAW THOSE, UH, THE TAX INFORMATION, BUT AFTER, NOW LOOKING AT IT, I REMEMBER THEM BEING FAIRLY INSIGNIFICANT.
UM, THE TAX DEDUCTIONS AREN'T EVEN ON THE FULL, UM, ASPECT OF PROPERTY TAXES ONLY AT THE, UH, I THINK AT THE CITY LEVEL FOR, OR THAT, THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
UM, AND BOTH OPTIONS DIDN'T MAKE IT FINANCIALLY VIABLE TO DO THE PROJECT WITH THE, THE DOING, TRYING TO DO A REHAB ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MADAM CHAIR.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS BEFORE COMMISSIONER JONES GETS HER SECOND.
OKAY, SO IT WOULD BE YOUR SECOND TIME TOO, COMMISSIONER, GIMME, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
IF THERE'S NO OTHERS, THEN COMMISSIONER JONES, THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, YOU'RE MUTED.
COMMISSIONER JONES, MR. SANTA, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, UM, UM, IF, IF WE VOTE ON THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO RESUBMIT THE, UH, FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO THIS, UH, TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION SO THAT YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND POSSIBLY PROCEED WITH DEMOLITION? IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A BREAKDOWN, I GUESS, BECAUSE OF THE DELAY.
WELL, UM, ONE THING THAT I WAS NOT TOLD, AND I ASKED THIS EARLY ON WAS, YOU KNOW, UM, IF I, I I WANT THIS HISTORIC, THEY DON'T ALLOW DEMOLITION, BUT NOW THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING EVEN AFTER IT ZONE HISTORIC, THEY WILL ALLOW FOR DEMOLITION.
UM, AND I'M ASSUMING THE REBUILD WILL HAVE TO BE IN PURVIEW OF THEIR, THE EXTERIOR THAT THEY WOULD LIKE.
UM, IS THAT CORRECT? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT PERSONALLY YOU COULD ASK THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS TRYING
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TO REDEVELOP THE LOT WITH THEIR JURIS, THEIR JURISDICTION ON THE EXTERIOR.YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, BOLD OR THAT JUST, UH, AN EYESORE, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING AROUND THE AREA.
UM, AND THEN ADHERE TO WHAT THE, WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE CITY WANTS IN A AND E ZONE LOTS, WHICH IS WHY I CAME UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IDEA TO SPLIT THE LOT LATER AND DO A TWO RETAIL SPOTS ON THE INTERIOR LOT WITH, UH, AND THEN INCREASING THE RESIDENTIAL AVAILABILITY WITH TWO, TWO UNITS ABOVE IT.
BUT YOU ARE WILLING TO, ARE YOU WILLING TO GO BACK AND, UH, RESUBMIT THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP IF WE VOTE ON THAT? UM, YEAH, I CAN SUBMIT THAT.
MY, MY FEAR AND WORRY IS THAT IF IT'S ZONED HISTORIC, I WILL HAVE A VERY HARD TIME GETTING DESIGNS AND PLANS APPROVED IN A TIMELY MANNER.
THAT DOESN'T PUT A HUGE FINANCIAL STRAIN ON THE PROCESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
NO, I MEANT THE, THE ENGINEERING REPORT SAYING THAT IT IS NOT SALVAGEABLE.
I HAD ALREADY SUBMITTED THAT TO THEM AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I HAD ACTUALLY GIVEN 'EM HARD COPIES WHEN I MET THEM PHYSICALLY AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, OKAY.
TO THE, UM, R D C, UM, SO HE SUBMITTED AN ENGINEER REPORT AND, AND Y'ALL NEVER LOOKED AT IT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT? UM, YES, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE HEARD HIM SAY THAT SEVERAL TIMES AND I, UH, REALLY SINCERELY APOLOGIZE.
IF I HAVE SEEN IT THEN I JUST DO NOT RECALL.
WELL, ISN'T THAT PART OF YOUR PROCESS? OUR PROCESS DOESN'T CONSIDER THE, UM, THE, THE STRUCTURES, UM, ENGINEERING, UH, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.
IT, IT'S LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO WE WERE FOCUSED ON, UM, UH, DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT IT MET THE THRESHOLD FOR ELIGIBILITY.
I GET THAT TO THE, UM, TO MR. SANTA.
ARE YOU STILL THERE? YES, I AM.
WHEN YOU GOT THE ENGINEER REPORT, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THE COST FACTOR TO HAVE TO REPAIR ALL OF THIS PLUS BRING BACK THE HISTORICAL DESIGN? DO YOU HAVE A COST ESTIMATE ON THAT AT ALL AT THIS TIME? UH, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS SPEAKING TO THE ENGINEER ON THAT SIDE, IT WAS IN THE BALLPARK OF 400,000.
'CAUSE MY ENGINEER ACTUALLY LIVES ACTUALLY A COUPLE BLOCKS DOWN THE STREET, UM, ON MONTANA.
UM, AND THAT WAS HER ESTIMATE TO, TO REPAIR.
AND OF COURSE DOING THAT PLUS THE PURCHASE PRICE, I WOULD BE WELL UNDERWATER IN TERMS OF RESALE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
RIGHT, BECAUSE WHAT THE HOUSE IS LIKE 123 YEARS OLD, SO THE PLUMBING'S GOTTA BE, I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE, IT'S A FULL REHAB.
IT'S A, THE OUTSIDE IS THE BEST PART OF IT.
INSIDE FOUNDATION AREAS THAT ARE UPWARDS OF TWO FOOT DIFFERENCES.
THE SECOND LEVEL IS, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO UP THERE ON YOUR OWN WRIST.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A LITTLE MINI ROLLERCOASTER WALKING THROUGH THERE.
YOU KNOW, ALL THE WINDOWS ARE DAMAGED PRETTY, THE WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE, UM, OKAY.
LET ME ASK, I TALKED TO ALL MY CONTRACTORS, EVERYONE, THEY SAID THIS IS REALLY IN DISPAIR NEEDS TO BE
SO LET ME ASK, UM, LET ME GO BACK TO H R D C THEN.
SO HE, STRUCTURALLY HE HAS 400,000, MIGHT EVEN BE, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATIVE THERE.
SO, BUT ALL YOU'RE INTERESTED IN IS HE RETAINS THE DESIGN.
SO IF HE WERE TO KEEP THIS AS HISTORICAL, EVERYTHING THAT WE SEE IN AS DILAPIDATED THERE RIGHT NOW WOULD HAVE TO BE RESTORED TO THAT HISTORICAL LOOK, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT? SO, UM, IF THE PROPERTY WERE DESIGNATED AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO, UM, DO WORK ON THE STRUCTURE, IT WOULD NEED TO MEET THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, WHICH TYPICALLY RECOMMEND, UH, RETAINING AS MUCH OF ORIGINAL FABRIC AS POSSIBLE AND REPLACING IN KIND, UM, TO MATCH THE MATERIALS AND DESIGN THAT ARE PRESENT ON THE STRUCTURE.
AND THAT, THAT LUMBER COMPANY NO LONGER EXISTS.
SO YOU WANT HIM TO FIND LUMBER THAT MATCHES THE LUMBER OF 123 YEARS OLD.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE.
AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IS IT, IT, YOU, YOU KEEP SAYING IF IT'S DESIGNATED HISTORICAL, BUT ONCE DESIGNATED HISTORICAL,
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IT HAS TO REMAIN HISTORICAL.SO ONCE, IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVES IT AS HL, THAT BUILDING STAYS PUT AS IT IS, AND HE IS NOW REQUIRED TO MAKE THAT A HISTORICAL BUILDING, OR HE WALKS AWAY FROM IT AND IT STAYS DILAPIDATED.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, I, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT SORT OF THE OPTION THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO DO, UM, AGAIN, TO, TO FILE THAT DEMOLITION REQUEST, IT JUST HAS A DIFFERENT PROCESS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, I, UH, WANNA CLARIFY THAT I'M NOT, UH, IN ANY WAY IMPLYING THAT ONLY 123 YEAR OLD LUMBER WOULD NEED TO BE USED.
IT WOULD NEED TO MATCH THE WIDTH THAT'S THERE.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? OKAY.
OKAY, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE DESIGNATION, UH, AS PRESENTED SECOND ROMERO.
WE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER JONES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO.
UM, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
UM, WE'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE.
UM, WE'VE GONE OVER SOME OF THE SIMILAR ISSUES HERE REPEATEDLY IN THE PAST, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ROME WILL PROBABLY WANNA SAY THIS AND SHE'LL PROBABLY SAY IT BETTER THAN I WILL, BUT TO SOME DEGREE WE'RE ALMOST, THE PURPOSE IS IN THIS PROCESS.
UH, THE H D R C HAS MADE A DESIGNATION, THEY FOCUS ON THE DESIGN ASPECTS.
UM, BUT TODAY IN THIS HEARING, WHAT I THINK WE REALLY KIND OF CONFLATED, AND I THINK IT'S A PROBLEM, IS THIS DESIGNATION AS HISTORIC VERSUS THE DI DEMOLITION THEREAFTER.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANT UNDER U D C 35 6 14.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, PRESUMING THE CITY COUNCIL WHO'S ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS ONCE, UH, AGREES WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL SHOULD THAT OCCUR.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UH, AGAIN, I THINK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, H D R C HAS DONE ITS ANALYSIS, O H P DID ITS WORK ON THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT I AGREE THAT WE OUGHT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BE DEALING WITH THIS AS THE ZONING COMMISSION IS, IS BEYOND MY PURVIEW.
WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE THAT THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL, I THINK IS NOT GERMANE TO THIS ISSUE TODAY.
AND SO I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? OH MY GOSH.
I KEEP MUTING WHEN I'M UNMUTED.
UM, WELL, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ON HOW THE PROCESS WAS DONE, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE, UM, COMMUNICATION WAS THERE FOR THIS, UH, PARTICULAR PERSON WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT CONCERNS ME RIGHT THERE.
SECONDLY, IT CONCERNS ME THAT WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, AND, AND I'LL, I'LL JUST PREFACE IT LIKE THIS.
I'M FROM A, A HISTORICAL TOWN.
YOU GO TO PENINSULA, OHIO, THAT'S WHERE I'M, THAT'S A HISTORICAL TOWN.
IT'S SO HISTORICAL THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOOK EVERYONE'S LAND, IMMINENT DOMAIN IT, AND MADE IT A NATIONAL PARK.
AND IT'S GORGEOUS, BUT IT HAD PURPOSE, AND IT, IT HAS A LOT OF VALUE TODAY.
SHE COULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION AS TO WHAT IS THE VALUE OF YOU REMAINING THAT WHEN THE, IT IS AN ENORMOUS BURDEN OF MONEY ON THIS APPLICANT, AND THAT IS GERMANE TO THIS BECAUSE ELSE, HOW DOES ANY OF THIS GET DONE? HOW DO, HOW DOES HE REBUILD AND REDESIGN UNLESS HE SPENDS MONEY, WHICH THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION HE WANTS TO GO IN, AND HE WON'T, AND IT WILL SIT THERE VACANT.
BUT YOU COULDN'T GIVE ME THE VALUE OF WHAT WOULD BE THE VALUE OF A HISTORIC HOME OF THIS NATURE SITTING THERE, WHETHER IT WAS RESTORED OR UNRESTORED, AND YOU'RE THE HISTORIC COMMISSION.
I COULD ANSWER THAT, BUT I, I THINK THAT THE HARDSHIP IS OUTWEIGHS THE VALUE TODAY.
SO I WON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? COMMISSIONER WHITE.
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I, I COMPLETELY, I, I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHY COMMISSIONER JONES MADE THE MOTION.AND IT'S, AND IT'S, UM, I, I, 99% OF THE TIME ALWAYS FIND MYSELF AGREEING WITH COMMISSIONER JONES.
UM, I ALSO SHARE, UH, COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE ROLE OF ZONING COMMISSION, THE ZONING COMMISSION ON, ON ISSUES LIKE THIS.
UM, BUT ALL, ALL THAT BEING SAID, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS, THIS, THIS JUST, UM, SCREAMS TO ME OF, OF REALLY GOVERNMENT OVERREACH HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I FIND THAT SOMETIMES THE H D R C, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO FIT THESE CRITERIA AND THEY, THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO FIND THAT THEY JUST MEET THE CRITERIA.
I MEAN, FOUR OF FOUR OF 16, UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE JUST, JUST GOT HIM OVER THE HUMP.
AND, AND I, I'M NOT HERE TO, TO SECOND GUESS THE THEM, BUT, UH, I THINK THE HARDSHIP ON, ON THIS, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THAT SUCH A DESIGNATION WOULD, WOULD, WOULD RESULT IN IS, IS, IS JUST UNREASONABLE.
AND SO, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? UM, THANK YOU.
ACTUALLY, I, I WILL NOT REPEAT ANYTHING COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE SAID, 'CAUSE IT WAS GREAT.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS MOVIE BEFORE.
UM, I, I DO WANNA SAY ONE THING.
HAY IS AN EXCELLENT PUBLIC SERVANT AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATOR, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE FAIR TO, TO HER, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE ASK HER QUESTIONS THAT, AND I DID IT THIS TIME, THAT ARE NOT AS CLEAR AS THEY SHOULD BE, AND THEY DON'T REALLY EXPLAIN WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH IT.
AND AS A PUBLIC ADMINISTRATOR, IT IS NOT HER JOB TO ARGUE WITH US OR TO ARGUE FOR WHAT SHE THINKS, UM, IS, IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
IT'S HER JOB HERE JUST TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK SHE REALLY SHOWS REMARKABLE RESTRAINT IN SIMPLY ASKING, ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.
WHEN I IMAGINE SOMETIMES SHE WANTS TO SAY, BUT, BUT WAIT, THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE WHOLE THING.
AND I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, AND, UM, SOMETIMES I WANT HER TO, BUT AGAIN, I, I THINK SHE'S DOING, UH, JUST WHAT SHE HAS TO DO.
AND, UM, I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER SIPES, UH, ASKING THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO MINE THAT REALLY CLARIFIED THAT THE TWO STEP PURPOSE HERE.
AND YEAH, I MEAN, I'M CERTAINLY NOT GONNA QUESTION THE, THAT THEY FOUND FOUR OUT OF 16.
I MEAN, THEY ONLY NEED THREE, BUT THEY DID FOUR.
UM, WAS THAT LIKE, TO AVOID SUSPICION OR SOMETHING? THEY DID FOUR INSTEAD OF THREE? UM, I TRUST THEM.
AND AGAIN, I JUST, I JUST WANNA THANK DR.
UM, SHE'S ALWAYS IN A DIFFICULT POSITION AND SHE ALWAYS HANDS HER, HANDLES HERSELF VERY PROFESSIONALLY, AND I LEARN A LOT FROM HER.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH DISCUSSION? OKAY.
SO, UM, WE HAVE 3, 5, 7, AND 11 TO GO.
I AT THREE 30, WE'LL HAVE TO PROBABLY TAKE LIKE A 10 TO 15 MINUTE, UM, TO TAKE CARE OF SOMETHING.
SO I'M JUST, MY, MY CASE IS NUMBER 19.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA BE RUNNING UP AGAINST TIME HERE, SO I JUST WANT TO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD CONSIDER MOVING IT OR Y'ALL WANNA WAIT FOR BREAK AT THREE 30.
SO ANYWAY, THAT, I MIGHT HAVE TO, UM,
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EXCUSE MYSELF, UM, FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING THAT, THAT NUMBER, UH, NUMBER 19.SO LET'S SEE HOW THESE NEXT, THIS NEXT ONE GOES.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON.
AND, AND MADAM CHAIR J, JUST AS A YEAH, POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
UH, I BELIEVE YOU SAID 3, 5, 7, AND 11.
UH, I THINK IT'S JUST 3, 5, 7, AND 19.
[5. 20-6948 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700243 (Council District 4)]
ALL RIGHT.WELL, WE ALREADY READ ITEM NUMBER FIVE INTO THE RECORD, AND THAT ONE'S LOCATED AT 5 1 0 3 HILLBURN DRIVE, R SIX, RIGHT? SO IT'S AN R SIX TO M H C, AND I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE NOW, CARINA CARMONA? UH, YES MA'AM, I'M HERE.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY PRESENTED YOUR, YOUR CASE AND NOW YOU ARE SPEAKING WITH THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
I, THE, UM, I'M BUYING, I'M TRYING TO BUY THIS LOT AND I'M TRYING TO PUT MY MOBILE HOME THERE.
UM, THEY TOLD ME THAT I COULDN'T BECAUSE, UH, IT WAS FOR BUILD A HOUSE.
UM, BUT I HAVE A MOBILE HOME, SO THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THIS.
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY, MY MOBILE HOME THERE, AND IF I COULD HAVE PERMISSION FROM ALL OF YOU, UM, TO PUT MY, MY MOBILE HOME THAT I HAVE IN THAT PROPERTY, UM, IT'S ME, MY HUSBAND, MY THREE KIDS, ONE DOG AND ONE CAT
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE.
I'VE NEVER DONE THIS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE, UM, UH, TO SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, MY, ME AND MY HUSBAND, WE'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR 23 YEARS.
I WORKED FOR THE, UH, SAN ANTONIO SCHOOL DISTRICT 14 YEARS ALREADY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST WANTED TO BUY OUR, OUR LOT AND WE DIDN'T WANNA GO FAR BECAUSE OF OUR JOBS AS WELL.
AND, UM, WE FOUND THAT PROPERTY AND I TALKED TO THE LADY AND SHE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND, AND JUST DO ALL THE, THE, YOU KNOW, MOVING THE LOCATION, THE, THE MOBILE HOME THERE, AND, BUT YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE CITY AND DO ALL THIS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE AND I WOULD LIKE FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST TO PUT MY MOBILE HOME THERE AND, AND BUY THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS, AND IF THERE'S A PUBLIC RESPONSE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT AS WELL.
SO IF YOU'LL STAND BY JUST FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE.
UH, STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, WE HAVE ONE CALLER, CHRISTIE ROME.
YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE ZONING COMMISSION AND YOU HAVE, UH, TWO MINUTES, MA'AM.
AND I, UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS CHRISTY ROME.
I LIVE RIGHT HERE OFF OF 78 14 DEMPSEY.
UM, BEEN HERE SINCE 1994, UM, OVER 25 PLUS YEARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH, UH, 32 PLUS YEARS.
UM, I'M IN, I'M RESPONDING TO MY OPPOSITION REGARDING CASE NUMBER ENDING IN 0 2 4 3.
UM, THE MAJOR CONCERN IS THAT THE, THE DEPRECIATION OF THE HOME AS WELL AS THEIR HOME, AS WELL AS THE VALUE OF MY HOME, UM, I'M PROBABLY A APPROXIMATELY ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THAT VACANT LOT.
UM, ALSO THE MARKETPLACE DOESN'T RESPECT THE PRODUCT.
UM, IT, IT IS, UM, THIS AREA IS NOT A MOBILE HOME MANUFACTURER HOME PARK.
AND THEN ALSO THE STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH MANUFACTURED HOMES, UM, MORE TIMES THAN NOT, DO NOT APPEAR TO A BUYER SEEKING A CONVENTIONAL HOME.
UM, ALSO, UH, IT, IT BRINGS THE VALUE, I MEAN, IT BRINGS THE VALUE OF OTHER HOMES.
UH, IT, THE, LATELY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THE CITY HAS SPENT SO MUCH MONEY BEAUTIFYING THE COMMUNITY IN THE AREA WITH THE OLD PEA OFF PARK, NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN, BRINGING IN NEW EMPLOYMENT.
UM, THE BA THE BASE IS JUST DOWN THE STREET.
YOU NEEDED LITERALLY ABOUT TWO TO THREE MILES AWAY.
UM, YOU HAVE MILITARY FAMILIES SEEKING, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, GROUND AND PLACE THEIR ROOTS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WITH MANUFACTURE HOMES, IT'S NOT AS APPEALING.
UM, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH MONEY BEAUTIFYING, ACTUAL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF WITH SIDEWALKS, UH, CEMENT STREET, UM, CENTRAL MED WAS BROUGHT IN.
UM, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S,
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I JUST DON'T, UM, FEEL THAT IT IS A, UH, AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.WE HAVE A LOT OF MOBILE HOMES.
UM, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS AND IT WAS TOLD TO ME YEARS AGO THAT THE EXISTING MOBILE HOMES AND MANUFACTURED HOMES WERE GRANDFATHERED IN AND THEY WERE NO LONGER GONNA ALLOW MOBILE HOMES IN.
UM, BUT I HAVE SEEN SOME, I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL, AS A MATTER OF FACT.
UM, BUT I, I JUST BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A, A PLACE FOR THOSE TO BE ESTABLISHED.
AND I DON'T THINK WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF OUR NEWLY BEAUTIFIED, UM, COMMUNITY, WHICH IS GROWING AND PROSPERING, UM, THAT IT SHOULD BELONG HERE.
SO MORE SO IT'S THE DEPRECIATION.
THANK YOU, MS. ROME, IF YOU'LL STAND BY, LET ME SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR MS. ROME? UH, NOPE.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR INPUT.
AND TO THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TIME TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT? UM, WE, I MEAN WE, ME AND MY HUSBAND WENT AND SAW THE, THE PLACE AROUND AND WE SAW THAT THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MOBILE HOMES AROUND THE AREA, UM, ON THE CORNER WHERE I WANTED TO BUY THE LOT IN FRONT OF IT.
UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF MOBILE HOMES.
UM, THEY'RE NOT THAT THAT NEW AS MY MOBILE HOME.
UM, MY MOBILE HOME IS NOT, UM, I KNOW THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES.
I MEAN, THEY GO DOWN OR, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT MY TRAILER IS, IS IN GOOD CONDITION.
UM, I MEAN, I, I GO AROUND THERE 'CAUSE I GO TO THAT PARK AS WELL.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I WENT AND, AND SAW THE, THE AREA AND I REALLY LOVED IT.
I LIKED THE AREA VERY CLEAN, UM, AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHY I, YOU KNOW, I ASKED FOR WHO WAS THE OWNER AND EVERYTHING.
UM, I MEAN, I, I SEE HER PER POINT OF VIEW AND I RESPECT THAT.
UM, BUT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST LIKE, UM, A NICE FAMILY TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BUY A LAND NOT FAR FROM HERE.
LIKE I SAID, OUR JOBS ARE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
AND, UM, I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I REALLY, REALLY LIKE THAT, THAT LOT.
AND, AND IT WILL, IT WILL BE NICE FOR US, FOR OUR FAMILY.
UM, AND I, I RESPECT HER, HER POINT OF VIEW, AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY? OKAY.
WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SO IF YOU'LL STAND BY.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, UH, HAVE YOU LIVED IN THIS AREA BEFORE
I CAN'T, I CANNOT HEAR THE, THE QUESTION.
I THINK, HAVE YOU, BEFORE HE'S ASKED, HAVE YOU LIVED IN THIS AREA BEFORE? YES.
OH, I LIVE NEAR, UH, BY CLOSE.
I, I LIVE CLOSE BY, UM, BY
UM, AND THEN THE PLACE THAT WHERE I LIVE, I, I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR 14 YEARS ALREADY.
SO IF THEY WERE TRYING, YOU KNOW, TO BUY A LAND AND IT, IT'S CLOSE TO US.
UH, SO
I'M SORRY, BUT I, I'M SORRY, BUT I, IT IS BREAKING DOWN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOU ARE, UH, TRYING TO PURCHASE THIS, SORRY.
AND MOVE YOUR MOTHER HOME THERE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA PURCHASE THE PROPERTY
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AND THEN PUT YOUR, UH, MOBILE HOME THERE.IS THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION, RIGHT? COMMISSIONER CAYMAN? YES.
I'M GONNA BUY THE, THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND THEN I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA PUT MY MOBILE HOME THERE AND I PROMISE IT WILL ALWAYS, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KAMATH.
UM, THIS IS QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, IF THIS PROPERTY IS RE-DESIGNATED, UH, OR REZONED TO MH TO MANUFACTURED HOME, UH, OR M H C, EXCUSE ME, IF SAY FOR EXAMPLE, MS. CARMONA OR A FUTURE BUYER WERE TO DECIDE TO BUILD A HOME, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DO SO? OR DOES THIS ZONING LIMIT THAT POSSIBILITY? NO, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO FILL A CONVENTIONAL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
ANY OTHER COMM? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, THANK YOU CHAIR TO THE APPLICANT.
WHAT COULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR, YOUR MOBILE HOME? IS IT FAIRLY NEW? DID HAVE YOU PURCHASED IT? UH, UH, I PURCHASED IT, UM, LIKE I SAID, 14 YEARS AGO.
IT'S A 98, BUT WE HAVE IT IN GOOD, IN GOOD CONDITIONS.
WE ALWAYS LIKE TRY TO, WE PUT THE ROOF, THE ROOF, THE NEW ROOF, UM, OUTSIDE.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE OLD ONES, THE OLD, THE OLD MATERIAL IS LIKE THE NEW MATERIAL.
UM, DOES IT HAVE SKIRTING AROUND IT? UH, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE.
DOES IT HAVE SKIRTING AROUND IT? UH, YES, IT HAS THE SKIRTING AROUND IT.
UM, WE JUST PUT IT LIKE LAST, LIKE TWO YEARS AGO.
UM, I MEAN, WE TRIED TO, TO PUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE NEW THINGS HERE AND THERE.
UM, AND NOTHING IS BROKEN, LIKE FROM THE OUTSIDE, UM, FROM THE INSIDE.
I MEAN, WE TRY TO, TO TO MAKE, TO MAKE IT PRETTY EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN MH ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS AUNT DEMP DEMPSEY IN BETWEEN AND R SIX, I THINK THAT IS DID DO.
SO THIS MUST HAVE BEEN REZONED AT ONE TIME THAT MAYBE THAT WAS AN R I CAN'T READ THAT.
IS IT R SIX OR R SORRY, R SIX.
IT'S R I BELIEVE WHAT I'M SEEING IS R SIX TOO.
UM, BUT YES, THIS IS A, A MIX OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, BACK WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE MANUFACTURED, IT ALREADY HAD MANUFACTURED HOMES IN THE AREA.
SO SOME OF THEM ARE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
UM, HOWEVER, IT, THERE IS A, A, A GOOD MIX OF NOT ONLY MH ZONING, BUT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
AND THEY REALLY ARE INTERCHANGEABLE.
THE CODE JUST REQUIRES THAT, UM, FOR A MANUFACTURED HOME IN PARTICULAR, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE M H C ZONING OR YOU HAVE TO TAKE A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND ADD AN SS A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION TO IT.
SO RATHER THAN SPEND MONEY, EXTRA MONEY TO DO A SITE PLAN, UH, MISS I CAN'T REMEMBER CARONA, CORONA HA CARONA HAS DECIDED TO GO WITH THE CONVENTIONAL MH DISTRICT.
BUT I MEAN, EVENTUALLY THEY COULD BUILD A HOUSE ON IT.
THEY COULD REMOVE THE MOBILE HOME AND BUILD A HOUSE.
THEY DON'T, IN FACT, IF THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANNA DO A MOBILE HOME AND THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, COME INTO SOME EXTRA MONEY AND THEY WANNA BUILD A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THEN THEY CAN, OH, I KIND OF LIKE THAT.
COMMISSIONER, WE, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS SINCE I ASKED THE QUESTIONS I WAS GONNA ASK.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER KAMATH, UM, I, I WANT THANK, UH,
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THE, UH, OTHER NEIGHBOR WHO, UH, CALLED IN, UH, AND RAISED THE CONCERNS THAT SHE HAD.AND, UM, AND SHE, I SPOKE WITH HER THIS MORNING.
I THINK HER MAIN CONCERNS WERE FROM THE, UH, MOBILE HOMES.
THERE ARE, UH, UH,
THERE WAS THIS APPLICANT IS, UH, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT AND SHE WOULD, UH, MOVE HER OWN
UH, SO I AM, UH, UH, I'M GOING TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT, UH, REZONING APPLICATION.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER KAMIN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
SEEING NO DISCUSSION, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
CAN WE, UM, JUST IN CASE I'M NERVOUS THAT WE'LL BUMP INTO MY TIME FOR MY CASE AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD MIND IF WE JUST, I I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVEN HAVE THE APPLICANT READY.
UM, MOVE 19 UP SO THAT WAY, UM, WELL I'M GONNA TRY TO TAKE A BREAK AT THREE 30, BUT I DON'T WANNA COME BACK AND NOT HAVE NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR THE DISTRICT THREE CASES.
ANYBODY OPPOSED IF WE MOVE THAT UP AND STAFF WOULD, IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS, UM, COMMISSIONER BUSA.
I, I BELIEVE THAT'S TO YOUR DISCRETION AND IF THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED ON 19, I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T GO FORWARD WITH IT.
SO WE, UM, IT, IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR.
IF YOU WANNA MOVE IT UP, WE CAN MOVE IT UP NOW.
YEAH, IF, IF THEY'RE READY, THAT WOULD BE SUPER.
UM, I I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD TAKE THAT LONG.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL START READING IT INTO THE RECORD AND MOVE THE APPLICANT IN.
[19. 20-6982 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700260 (Council District 3)]
ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM IDZ TWO TO IDZ TWO.ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND RESIDENTIAL USES OF 99.77 UNITS PER ACRE.
GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 2,500 BLOCK OF SYDNEY BROOK.
THERE WERE SIX NOTICES MAILED.
WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THE CURRENT IDZ TWO MEDIUM INTENSITY INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA AS THE BASE ZONING WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
THE PURPOSE IS TO REMOVE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION.
WERE WE ABLE TO GET THE APPLICANT? YES.
MARCUS, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YEAH, THEY JUST JOINED.
MARCUS, ARE YOU THERE? HE SHOULD BE ON THE LINE.
JENNY, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? NO, NO, NO, I NOT.
HI, JENNY, DO YOU WANNA JUST SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT THE HISTORIC, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE ITEM? SURE, I'D BE HAPPY TO.
HEY, I AM REPRESENTING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AGAIN.
AND, UM, UH, THIS CASE, UH, IS REMOVAL OF DESIGNATION FROM A PORTION OF THE SCHOOL OF AEROSPACE MEDICINE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AND, UM, APPROVED WHAT YOU SEE HERE,
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UM, UH, IS WHAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDERED, UM, AT, AT THEIR HEARING.SO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
UM, IT'S, UH, I THINK A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD CASE.
MARQUEZ, I THINK YOU JOINED US NOW.
ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES, I AM.
YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE ZONING COMMISSION, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UM, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, I'LL BE BRIEF.
I'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION AND KNOW THAT YOU ALL, UM, ARE PRESSED FOR TIME, SO I WILL, I'LL DEFINITELY BE BRIEF HERE.
UH, A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED, I CAN FOLLOW UP AND GO INTO MORE DETAIL AS NEEDED.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE I D Z TWO H A H O D ZONING, AND THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THE H, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE H D R C, UH, COMMISSION, UH, EARLIER IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN NOVEMBER.
REASON BEING, IF YOU SAW IN THE PHOTOS, AND, AND I CAN GO INTO MY SLIDES IF NECESSARY, IS JUST TO, UM, HAVE UNENCUMBERED UNIMPROVED LAND.
UH, WE DO RESPECT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE ARE KEEPING THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE THAT IS ON THE LARGER PARCEL, UM, AS HISTORIC AND, AND ARE AWARE AND HAVE WORKED ON SEVERAL BUILDINGS ON THE BROOKS CAMPUS, UH, TO RENOVATE THOSE STRUCTURES AND KEEPING WITH, UH, ANY OF THE, UH, O H P GUIDELINES.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO, UH, REMOVE THE H ON THE UNIMPROVED PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HERE, UH, IN RED.
AND AGAIN, I CAN GO INTO AS MUCH DETAIL AS NEEDED, BUT I KNOW WE'RE PRESSED FOR TIME, AND IF YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER ANYTHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME.
AND STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO, MA'AM.
I JUST WANT, I PULLED IT, UH, BECAUSE I JUST HADN'T HEARD ANY DETAIL.
I KIND OF GOT A VAGUE IDEA OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I SAW THE DETAIL AS OPPOSED TO JUST VOTING BLIND.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, BOTH TO DR.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
I, UM, MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UH, DISH.
MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUS DEANTE.
UM, DISCUSSION? ANY COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
ARE YOU TAKING A BREAK AT THIS POINT OR ARE WE PROCEEDING ON WE, WE MIGHT EVEN FINISH.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY? EVERYBODY'S GOOD.
I, I'LL HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK AT THREE 30, BUT, UM, I THINK WE MIGHT BE OKAY.
UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FINISH AND EVERYBODY GETS TO LEAVE
UH, LET'S SEE HOW THEY GO, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY OR, OKAY.
[3. 20-6947 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700231 CD (Council District 6)]
BACK TO ITEM NUMBER THREE AND WE'LL JUST REMIND YOU OF WHAT THE REQUEST IS AND THE ADDRESS.ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO AND C THREE TO C THREE CD.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR WAREHOUSING GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 12,000 BLOCK OF WEST AVENUE.
WE SENT OUT 21 NOTICES YOU RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR TO IN OPPOSITION.
PIPER'S MEADOW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM MS. D OAK'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CHAIR.
SHE'S NOT READING THE ITEM THREE.
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UH, STAFF? YES.JUST THIS? YEAH, IT WAS JUST THE, THE WRONG ITEM NUMBER.
SO ITEM NUMBER THREE IS IN DISTRICT SIX, AND IT'S A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FULL SERVICE LOCATED IN THE 8,300 BLOCK OF GRISSOM ROAD.
NONE IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION.
NO RESPONSE FROM MISTY OAKS AND PIPER'S MEADOW.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? MR. HERNANDEZ? GO AHEAD.
I AM ONLY, UM, THE REQUEST, UM, IS FOR THE, SO CHANGE TO PRINCIPALLY PUT, UM, UH, DEALER CAR SALES, UH, WITH A COMBINATION, UM, APARTMENT OR SOMETHING TO LIVE IN THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE CAR SALES.
ALRIGHT, IF YOU'LL, UH, STAND BY.
UH, SIR, WE MAY HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND IF THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO RESPOND.
SO IF YOU'LL STAND BY JUST FOR A MOMENT.
UM, STEPH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, MA'AM.
UM, SO COMMISSIONER, WE THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OPPOSITIONS THAT, UH, WE HAD RECEIVED AND, UH, BOTH OF THESE OPPOSITIONS CAME FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET FROM GRISSOM ROAD.
AND I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
HE SAID SOMETHING I DIDN'T HEAR, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND TOWARDS THE VERY END, YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING ON, SOMETHING ON THE SECOND FLOOR, YOUR BUILDING, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THE, THE IDEA IT'S, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, UH, BUILD, UM, UH, SOMETHING LIKE A DEPARTMENT TO, TO LIVE HERE IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS.
UM, THE SECOND FLOOR OF, THE OTHER PART WITH THE 65, UH, HUNDRED AREA, IT'S, UH, IN SALES, UH, PLAZA WITH THE SECOND FLOOR, LIKE, UH, SMALL APARTMENTS IN THE, THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT, UH, DISCUSSION OR ANY OF THAT, UH, UH, PREVIOUSLY IS, UH, BUILDING A, UH, AN APARTMENT ON TOP OF A BUSINESS THAT'S, UH, GOING TO BE ZONED FOR C TWO, UH, UH, ALLOWED? YES, SIR.
HE IS, UH, JUST DOING A SMALL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
HIS PROPERTY'S PRETTY HINDERED BY THE ELECTRICAL LINES AND DIFFERENT EASEMENTS IN THAT AREA.
AND SO HE'S JUST TRYING TO MAXIMIZE HIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT HE PRIMARILY WANTS TO HAVE HIS BUSINESS AND THEN, UM, LIVE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED IN A C TWO AS A CARETAKER FACILITY.
AND ALSO EVEN IF HE WANTED TO CREATE ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS AS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BUSINESS.
UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATIONS HERE? UH, CAR SALES, UH, THE NORMAL OPERATIONS ARE MAYBE LIKE, UH, 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM UH, MONDAY, FRIDAY ON SATURDAY, AND MAYBE HALF DAYS, UH, FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT, 8:00 AM TO 2:00 PM OKAY.
DO YOU INTEND TO HAVE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, UH, BROADCASTING AND ADVERTISING? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
I GUESS I, DID YOU SAY YES OR NO? UH, CAN YOU REPEAT ME THE, THE QUESTION PLEASE? DO YOU INTEND, DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS TO ADVERTISE YOUR, YOUR BUSINESS? NO, NO.
MAYBE THE, THE ONLY ADVERTISING IS PUT IN THE, IN THE CORNER, UH, A SMALL, UH, UM, SAY ADVERTISING AREA, BUT THE, WITH THE SPEAKERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NO.
UM, AGAIN, KIND OF REVIEWING WHAT THE OPPOSITIONS, UH, WERE PROVIDED WERE THAT THE, THE RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU ON GSO, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SEEING A CAR LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM
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THE BACKYARD.AND YOU KNOW, THIS, I, I HAVE TRAVELED THIS STREET MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES, UH, FOR MANY YEARS.
AND, UH, I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I SAW THE, THE APPLICATION THAT THIS WAS EVEN NAR SIX BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY COULD BUILD IT, UH, HOUSE OUT THERE.
SO AGAIN, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ON THE RESIDENTS, BUT AGAIN, UM, I THINK BEING SURROUNDED BY A CAR, UH, A TIRE SHOP, A, UM, AUTO RECYCLING PLANT, AND A C P S SUBSTATION, THAT'S PROBABLY, UH, THE BEST WE CAN DO FOR THAT, UH, FOR THE LOT.
SO, UH, MADAM CHAIR, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
WE ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
I, I HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER WI WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE, WE'RE ONTO OUR, UH, LAST CASE AND IT'S A GREAT POSSIBILITY THAT I WILL BE MISSING Y'ALL AT THE END OF THIS MEETING.
UM, YOU DON'T SEE MY PICTURE ANYMORE, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER, UH, BUSANTE.
SO, UM, AND I WISH EVERYBODY A GREAT DAY, JUST IN CASE I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT IN A MINUTE.
[7. 20-6949 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700245 CD (Council District 2)]
NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO R FIVE CD.ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 44 27 NORTH HY ROAD.
THERE WERE 2020 NOTICES MAILED.
WE RECEIVED THREE IN SUPPORT, ONE IN SUPPORT OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY, ZERO IN OPPOSITION WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY, 14 IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER AND HEIN ORCHARD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
THE CURRENT R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY.
R FIVE CD WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS CURRENTLY USED AS A DUPLEX BASE.
DISTRICT WILL REMAIN THE SAME.
AND THE CONDITIONAL USE ALLOWS FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF TWO UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
THE LARGE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING TWO UNITS WITH ONSITE PARKING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HELLO? I'M HERE.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING THE CASE.
I'M JOHN HERNDON, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
I DO NOT LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT I'VE OWNED IT FOR A WHILE.
I BOUGHT IT IN, UH, IN 2014 AND PREVIOUS TO ME, IT WAS OWNED BY THE ZUNIGA FAMILY.
UH, I WAS TOLD THAT IT HAD BEEN IN THEIR FAMILY BETWEEN 35 AND 40 SOMETHING YEARS.
UH, WE'RE NOT FILING THIS TO, TO BUILD ANYTHING OR TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
I'M SIMPLY FILING THIS AS, UH, TO BRING THIS PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
UH, APPARENTLY WHEN I LOOKED AT THE OLD, UH, INSURANCE MAPS, THIS STUFF WASN'T EVEN LOCATED ON IT, IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
SO I GUESS WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT INTO THE CITY, IT WAS PROBABLY THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE AREA WAS, WAS ZONE THE SAME.
UH, AND UH, I GUESS RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING CLEANED UP OUT THERE.
UM, I REZONED THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.
IT HAS FOUR UNITS, UH, REZONED IT ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.
UH, AND THIS PREVIOUS MONTH IT WAS, UH, IT WAS APPROVED, UH, UNANIMOUSLY BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA READDRESS
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THAT PROPERTY NOW.UH, AND ONCE AGAIN, NOTHING'S CHANGING ON THAT PROPERTY EITHER.
UM, THE TWO HOUSES ON THE PROPERTY, UH, APPARENTLY THEY WERE ORIGINAL BUILD.
UH, AND, UM, EACH HOUSE HAS ITS OWN DRIVEWAY.
ONE TIME WAS A FENCE BETWEEN THEM.
UH, WE FOUND THE REMNANTS OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT THERE NOW.
AND, UM, THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING FOR BOTH UNITS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET, KIND OF CATTY CORNER.
UM, UH, ACTUALLY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
UH, SO I MEAN, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SOME, UH, UM, I GUESS I'M PUSHING INTO IT BY COMMERCIAL.
AND, UH, WE DON'T PLAN ON CHANGING ANYTHING.
WE JUST WANNA BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.
UH, WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND YOU WILL ALSO HAVE TIME TO RESPOND, UM, IF THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, STAFF, IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM.
FOR THE CALLERS ON THE LINE, IF YOU ARE NOT CALLED RIGHT NOW, IF YOU COULD BE SURE TO MUTE YOUR PHONE UNTIL, UH, YOUR NAME IS CALLED.
THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE IS ANGELICA CRUZ.
MS. CRUZ, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM.
MA'AM, YOU ARE ADDRESSING THE ZONING COMMISSION OF CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, MA'AM.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS ANGELICA CRUZ AND I LIVE AT 2 26 ORCHARD ROAD.
I OPPOSED TO THE NY DUE TO THE FOLLOWING.
MS. DE LA GARZA, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT, SHE TOOK IT UPON HERSELF TO DECIPHER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT NOTIFYING US IN FAVOR OF THIS RENY.
I REACHED OUT TO HER FOR A MEETING ON 11 21 20 WITH NO RESPONSE.
WE ALL WERE, WE ALL TOOK IT UPON OURSELF AND, AND DID THE WALKING WITHIN SUCH A SHORT NOTICE.
AND WE DID RECEIVE SOME OPPOSITION LETTERS.
WHY ADOPT THE CITY PLAN IF IT IS NOT GOING TO BE FOLLOWED? THE EASTERN TRIANGLE PLAN CLEARLY STATES THAT SOME GOALS ARE TO CREATE A GREATER SENSE OF SECURITY AND, AND SAFER STREETS.
WE ALL HAVE CHILDREN OR ADULTS WHOM WALK AND BICYCLE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DAILY.
WE STRIVE TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A SAFE AND FAMILY ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL AGES.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO ACHIEVE IT WITH THE HIGH CRIME RATE ON NORTH HIND ROAD? THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HOMEOWNER AND AN INVESTOR.
OUR, WE HOMEOWNERS LIVE HERE, LIVE PRODUCTIVE LIVES AND WANT A CLEAN, SAFE, AND PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S NOT A HOME SEEKING THEIR FINANCIAL GAIN, ONLY OPENING THE DOORS TO, TO TRANSIENT RENTERS WITHOUT KNOWING THEIR CRIMINAL HISTORY OR ILLEGAL HABITS.
WE ALL HAVE FAMILIES AND SAFETY IS A PRIORITY FOR OUR LOVED ONES.
PLEASE PUT YOURSELF IN OUR PLACE FOR A MOMENT AND EXPERIENCE THE ENVIRONMENT WE LIVE IN.
PLEASE HELP US REACH OUR GOALS, KEEPING THE EASTERN TRIANGLE CLEAN AND FREE OF CRIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR HELP.
UH, MS. CRUZ, IF YOU WOULD STAY ON THE LINE FOR ONE SECOND PLEASE.
UH, AND SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU MS. CRUZ.
UH, STAFF, IF WE COULD HAVE THE NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE.
EMILY FLORES, ARE YOU THERE? EMILY? I'M SORRY, WHO DID YOU SAY? OH, EMILY, MS. FLORES.
IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE HOLDING ON THE LINE? UH, YES.
THIS IS ALSO MS. FLORES, BUT THIS IS ALICE.
WELL, THEY DIDN'T PUT YOUR NAME ON HERE, BUT I AM SURE IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME NUMBER.
SO WHAT, BASICALLY, I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY CONCERN, YOU KNOW, LET YOU
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KNOW THAT I'M OPPOSED, UH, TO THE LANDLORD, UM, ACTUALLY WANTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY ON HEIN ROAD THAT'S IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN HEIN AND ORCHARD.AND SO WE FEEL THAT THE CRIME RATE, YOU KNOW, IS ALREADY HIGH ENOUGH AS IT IS, AND THERE'S GONNA BE MORE OF INCREASE IF THAT GET, IF THAT REZONING GETS, UH, APPROVED.
AND THE DANA IS, IF THE INSURANCE IS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY CALCULATE, UM, THE PREMISES, THE CRIME STATISTICS, YOU KNOW, TO CALCULATE OUR PREMISES.
I MEAN OUR, OUR PREMIUMS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY TEND TO GO UP WHEN THE CRIME RATE IS A LOT HIGHER.
AND IT SEEMS THAT LATELY THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE CRIME.
AND SO I JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEN THAT'S JUST GONNA INCREASE EVERYTHING, UH, YOU KNOW, AND BRING JUST BAD THINGS MORE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN WE, WE ALREADY HAVE.
MS. FLO, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR, UH, ADDRESS, PLEASE? YES, FOR THE RECORD, YES.
AND IF YOU WOULD, JUST HOLD ON IF, IF YOU'VE COMPLETED YOUR COMMENTS, IF YOU WOULD, HOLD ON TO SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
I HAD A QUESTION FOR MS. FLORIDA.
UH, DID SHE REALIZE THAT, THAT, THAT HE WAS REQUESTING JUST TO CO AND COMPLIANCE, NOTHING IS REALLY GONNA CHANGE? WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT, MA'AM, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE VIOLENCE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE CRIME LATELY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLICE REPORTS, THAT IN ITSELF TELLS YOU THAT THAT HAS INCREASED.
BUT THE TWO HOMES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.
THE HOMES HAVE BEEN THERE, BUT WHO'S TO SAY, UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE MOVING INTO THE AREA, WHICH IS GONNA BE MORE CRIME RATE IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A DOUBLE, IF THERE'S A, A DUPLEX, IF THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S TWO FAMILIES THAT WE HAVE TO WATCH FOR INSTEAD OF JUST ONE.
SORRY, I COULDN'T QUITE SEE IT THERE FOR A SECOND.
TO MS. FLORES, UM, COULDN'T IT BE SAID THAT IF YOU HAD TWO SETS OF EYES THAT THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO CRIME? YOU HAVE TWO MORE SETS OF EYES FOR PEOPLE WATCHING.
YEAH, BUT WE, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THOSE EYES AROUND.
SO IF WE COULD JUST KEEP IT OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD JUST BE SO MUCH BETTER.
THAT'S JUST AN ADDED PLUS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT OUR BACKS AND WATCHING EVERY CAR THAT GOES BY, OR EVERY LITTLE NOISE OR EVERY GUNSHOT THAT WE HEAR, EVERY POLICE THAT'S PASSING BY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW.
AND I, I STAY WITH MY MOTHER BECAUSE MY MOTHER'S ELDERLY, 85 YEARS OLD, AND SO I HAVE TO WATCH HER AND I STAY THERE WITH HER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSTANTLY HEARING THINGS.
AND WHEN I'M NOT THERE, THE DAYS THAT I DON'T STAY WITH HER, I'M SO PREOCCUPIED, YOU KNOW, THAT SOMETHING IS GONNA HAPPEN TO HER BECAUSE I'M NOT THERE WITH HER TO HELP HER.
AND SO IF WE COULD KEEP THIS CRIME AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD JUST GIVE EVERYBODY PEACE OF MIND.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND JUST A, A FEW MONTHS AGO THERE WAS A RAID, UM, THAT WAS DONE UP ON, I THINK IT WAS ON ORCHARD, RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF WW WHITE AND ORCHARD.
THERE WAS A RAID THAT WE SAW GO BY, AND SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY SEEING POLICE AND CONSTANTLY HEARING AMBULANCE AND POLICE SIRENS, AND WE'RE JUST GETTING TIRED OF IT.
UH, LET ME JUST SAY, AND I'M VERY SORRY TO HEAR THAT ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I HOPE YOU REACH OUT TO YOUR CITY COUNCILWOMAN FOR THE RELIEF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
I DID NOT SEE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU MS. FLORES, FOR YOUR COMMENT.
THE NEXT, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE DID, UM, IS EMILY ON THE LINE NOW? EMILY ON THE LINE? OKAY, VERY GOOD.
MA'AM, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, MS. FLORE, IF STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
UH, BEFORE YOU BEGIN, YOUR THANK YOU.
I RESIDE AT 2 38 ORCHARD ROAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF HE AND ORCHARD, AND I AM POSING THIS REZONING REQUEST.
THE ONLY REASON WHY THE APPLICANT IS REZONING THE PROPERTY IS BECAUSE HE RECEIVED NOTICE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT RECENTLY.
ON SLIDE ONE, IF YOU CAN PLEASE GO TO SLIDE ONE, MS. FLORES, IT IS UP, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A COUPLE OF SECONDS BEHIND YOUR SPEECH.
THE OWNER BROUGHT THESE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER IN 2014 KNOWING THAT THEY WERE NOT ZONED FOR MULTI-FAMILY.
THE DESCRIPTION AND REAL ESTATE SITE CLEARLY WARNED THE POTENTIAL BUYER TO VERIFY THE ZONING BEFORE PLACING AN OFFER AS STATED IN THE OVERVIEW SECTION SHOWN IN THE LOWER PICTURE,
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KNOWING THAT THE OWNER STILL PROCEEDED TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTIES AND HAS BEEN RENTING THEM OUT AS SIX UNITS FOR SIX YEARS.ON SLIDE TWO, PLEASE, THE LISTING FROM ZILLOW CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE DWELLING BROKEN UP INTO FOUR UNITS.
EARLIER THIS YEAR THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO REZONE 4 4 1 9 NORTH HIGH THREE FOUR PLUS.
AND IT WAS APPROVED BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESENT MS. DE LA GARZA TOOK IT UPON HERSELF TO VOTE IN FAVOR WITHOUT NOTIFYING ANY OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS.
MS. DE LA GARZA HAS DONE IT ONCE AGAIN WITH THIS CASE AND HAS SUBMITTED HER PERSONAL NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN FAVOR OF REZONING, EVEN THOUGH SHE IS AWARE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE IN THE AREA ARE IN OPPOSITION, NEIGHBORS HAVE REACHED OUT TO MS. DE GARZA BY LEAVING VOICE MESSAGES, TEXT MESSAGES, AND SENDING HER EMAILS, BUT SHE HAS NOT REPLIED.
ON SLIDE FOUR, THERE'S A LISTING OF PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE APPLICANT AND IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HAVING ONE LESS TENANT IS NOT MAKING A DENT IN HIS POCKET.
JUST BECAUSE THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN OPERATING ILLEGALLY ALL THIS TIME AS A MULTIFAMILY DOESN'T MEAN THAT RESILIENCE SHOULD BE APPROVED.
WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT THE OWNER HAS BEEN BREAKING THE LAW ALL THIS TIME AND IT WILL BE IMMORAL TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST.
THAT IS WHY I PLEAD WITH YOU TO PLEASE DENY THIS REQUEST TODAY.
MS. FLORES, IF YOU WOULD REMAIN ON THE LINE, UH, IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? SURE.
I DO NOT SEE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU MS. FLORES, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
THE NEXT, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE.
UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT, UH, LIKE SOME TIME FOR REBUTTAL, MR. HERNDON? YES, I'M HERE.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I BUY PROPERTIES ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO AND WE FIX THEM UP.
I WORK CLOSELY WITH CODE COMPLIANCE.
UH, WHENEVER I GET A A NOTICE, I TRY TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
JUST LIKE IN THIS CASE, OUR TENANTS THERE.
UM, IT, IT'S ACTUALLY A FAMILY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR OH, ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF YEARS.
UM, WE ARE PROBABLY THE BEST NEIGHBORS ANYBODY'S GONNA HAVE OVER THERE.
UM, NOT ONLY ARE THEY, ARE THEY TREATING IT LIKE THEIR OWN PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, MY OFFICE AND, UH, MYSELF, WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON 'EM.
UH, WE'VE, WE'VE CLEANED UP, WE'VE PAINTED, I MEAN THIS, THE FOURPLEX SHE'S REFERRING TO NEXT DOOR WAS VACANT AND, AND JUST REALLY IN ROUGH SHAPE WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.
THIS HOUSE WAS, UH, UM, IT WAS JUST TERRIBLE WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.
AND WE, WE FIXED THESE THINGS UP.
WE'VE BECOME REALLY GOOD NEIGHBORS AND I UNDERSTAND THE CRIME PROBLEM AND, AND IT APPEARS A LOT OF THE CRIME IS COMING OFF OF WW WHITE, BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF US.
UM, I THINK IF ANYTHING, WE'RE PROBABLY HELPING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE CAN'T SEE HOW WE WOULD BE HARMING IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BUILD A BUNCH OF UNITS OR CHANGE OR TO, TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.
I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT PROPERLY IF, UM, IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO LEASE IT OUT.
I MEAN, IT WOULD, IS IT JUST SUPPOSED TO STAY VACANT AND SIT THERE? UH, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN ANYTHING.
BUT I APPRECIATE Y'ALL HEARING THIS AND I HOPE Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.
UH, WE'RE KIND OF STUCK HERE AND WE'RE JUST, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION THAT WOULD, WOULD BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CITY.
UH, COMMISSIONER JONES, THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT STAFF? UH, NO.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES.
UM, UH, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
UM, IF THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE LETTERS, IF THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR THE FIVE YEARS, I DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING.
THIS ZONING IS GONNA INCREASE.
COMMISSIONER JONES, I THINK YOU ACCIDENTALLY MUTED SOMEHOW.
UM, DID YOU HEAR THE BEGINNING? OKAY.
UM, WE DID HEAR THE BEGINNING.
MY CONCERN IS, IS FORCING HIM TO HAVE A VACANT HOUSE THERE,
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UH, WILL, WILL PROBABLY, UH, INCREASE THE CRIME.I DIDN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT FORCING HIM TO EITHER DEMOLISH A HOUSE TO COME INTO CODE COMPLIANCE, COMPLIANCE, I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT UNREASONABLE.
UM, SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M MOVING TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE.
THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL AND SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER LIGHT.
UM, STAFF, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER JONES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE ROLL CALL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION, SIR? DISCUSSION? OH, I APOLOGIZE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? UH, SAUL, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST APPRECIATE THE HOMEOWNER, THE DILIGENCE
UM, SOMETIMES WE CANNOT EVICT AND WE HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
AND THAT MAY BE PART OF THE REASON WHY CRIME MIGHT BE ON THE RISE.
UM, BUT I THINK HE'S DOING THE RIGHT THING AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
NOT MANY DO AND SO FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONERS? UH, SEEING NONE, UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN.
I A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTAINED.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE LAST, UH, ITEM ON THE AGENDA OTHER THAN, UH,
[20. 20-7000 Consideration and Approval of the November 17, 2020 Meeting Minutes]
APPROVAL OF THE NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS REGARDING OR RELATING TO, UH, THE NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING? MINUTES? UH, SEEING NONE, UH, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
THERE IS A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WHITE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SIPES.
MOTION PASSES BY A VOTE OF 10 TO ZERO.
IS THERE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? THIS, THIS MEETING? NO, THERE'S NOT.
UH, I'M UPSET THAT I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ENOUGH, UH, LEADERS OF THE LOST ARC IMPRESSION TO HAVE SAID DR.
JONES IN THE WAY THEY DO IT IN THE MOVIE.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? MOTION TO ADJOURN? HERE WE GO.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO A RIGHT.
WELL THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED THEN.