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NEXT ITEM WOULD BE APPROVAL OF LAST MEETING'S.UH, WHO WAS SECOND? GEORGE SALIBA.
[1. Committee will advise and take possible action for the Building Official on proposed modification to IB 176 to accept non-engineer’s letters for Tunnel Inspections by non-COSA employees.]
ITEMS, NUMBER ONE COMMITTEE WILL ADVISE AND TAKE POSSIBLE ACTION FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OR PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE IB 1 76.TO ACCEPT NON-ENGINEERS LETTERS FOR TUNNEL INSPECTIONS BY NON C O SS A EMPLOYEES.
AND I HAND IT OVER TO JEREMY HERE.
UH, FIRST, UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I SEE MR. STRYKER HAS JOINED US.
I JUST WANNA CONFIRM YOU HAVE AUDIO AND VIDEO, OR I'M SORRY, AUDIO WITH US SO YOU CAN BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
YEAH, WE JUST NEED YOU ON AUDIO, SO, OKAY, GOOD.
UM, ALRIGHT, WELL THEN, SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE MEETING THAT WE HAD BACK IN NOVEMBER.
UH, BUT THE INTENT OF THE FIRST MEETING WAS TO DETERMINE IF THE COMMITTEE DEEMED IT NECESSARY FOR US TO DO FURTHER RESEARCH, UH, TO ALLOW FOR A, UH, NON CSSA EMPLOYEE AND OR NON-ENGINEER TO PERFORM TONAL UH, PLUMBING INSPECTIONS IN INSIDE OF A TUNNEL.
UH, BASED OFF THAT INITIAL MEETING BACK IN NOVEMBER, THE COMMITTEE DECIDED THAT YES, THERE WARRANTED, UH, A NEED FOR THAT SERVICE, UH, WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND ASKED FOR THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO THE DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF LOOK AT HOW WOULD WE LOOK AT SPECIFIC QUALIFICATIONS AND PROCEDURES TO IMPLEMENT THIS APPROVAL, UH, FOR, FOR THIS KIND OF THIRD PARTY, UH, JUST 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A GREATER BETTER NAME FOR IT.
I, I TRY NOT TO MAKE IT THIRD PARTY, SUCH AS WHAT WE HAVE IN CHAPTER 17 OF THE I V C, UH, BUT THIRD, STILL KIND OF A THIRD PARTY INDIVIDUAL APPROVING AN INSPECTION OR AN OBSERVATION THAT WOULD SIGN OFF ON THE PLUMBING WORK WITHIN THESE TUNNELS.
SO BASED OFF OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE, UH, D S D DID SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE QUALIFICATIONS WE THINK WOULD BE WARRANTED FOR SOMEBODY TO, UH, RECEIVE THAT QUALIFICATION FROM THE BO UH, FROM THE DONATING OFFICIAL.
AND WE KIND OF STARTED OFF BY LOOKING AT OUR, OUR CHIEF, UM, PLUMBING, UH, INSPECTOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE HIS QUALIFICATIONS JUST TO BE IN THAT POSITION.
WE FEEL LIKE THAT PERSON SHOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF THOSE QUALIFICATIONS, MAYBE MORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR INSPECTORS ULTIMATELY RE RESPOND TO AND, AND REPORT BACK TO OUR CHIEF.
UH, SO ANY ULTIMATE DECISION THAT COMES OUT BEFORE GOING UP TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, GOES THROUGH OUR CHIEF.
UH, SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR THE QUALIFICATIONS.
UH, SO HAVE, WHAT I'M PULLING UP RIGHT NOW, UM, IS THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY TO KINDA LOOK AT, UM, 15 YEARS OF INSPECTION OR TECHNICAL EXPERIENCE IN PLUMBING.
10 YEARS OF ACTIVE MASTER'S PLUMBER'S LICENSE ISSUED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, 10 YEARS ACTIVE PLUMBING INSPECTOR LICENSE ISSUED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND THEN THE I C C CERTIFICATION FOR RESIDENTIAL PLUMBING INSPECTOR, UH, COMMERCIAL PLUMBING INSPECTOR AND PLUMBING PLANS EXAMINER.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL, UH, BASELINE FOR OUR PLUMBING CHIEF.
SO AT THIS POINT, THESE ARE KIND OF THE ID, UH, THE THE STARTING POINT THAT D S D HAD WANTED IT, OPENED IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, ANY, UH, CITIZENS THAT WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT
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AND PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK OR, UM, HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE QUALIFICATIONS, I'LL GET TO SPEAK AS WELL.UH, JUST, UH, AS ALWAYS, UH, TRY TO STATE YOUR NAME, UH, BEFORE, BUT YOU GO AHEAD ROBERT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT ANYBODY.
SOMEONE ELSE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY FIRST.
I WAS GONNA LET 'EM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GOT A CHANCE TO SPEAK, UH, ON THOSE SIX ITEMS. YES, SIR.
UM, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO, UH, SPENCER, IF, IF HE WANTS THE BOARD TO SPEAK FIRST OR GO AHEAD, ROBERT.
THE FIRST THREE, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT MAKES SENSE.
YOU KNOW, THE LENGTH OF TIME IS DEFINITELY GOOD LENGTH OF TIME.
I HAVE A CONCERN WITH, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME STATE, I DO HAVE, I AM A CERTIFIED PLUMBING INSPECTOR, BEEN CERTIFIED SINCE 1990, UH, WITH THE IMO.
AND AT ONE TIME FOR SIX YEARS I DID HOLD, UH, I C C PLUMBING INSPECTOR CERTIFICATION BACK WHEN THEY ONLY HAD THE ONE THEY DIDN'T HAVE, IT BROKE DOWN LIKE THEY DO NOW.
I HELD IT FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS AND THEN I DIDN'T REALLY NEED 'EM, SO I LET THEM GO, BUT I KEPT MY AT MY ONE UP.
BUT MY CONCERN IS YOU'RE PUTTING THOSE THREE REQUIREMENTS AND YET YOU DON'T REQUIRE THAT OF THE ENGINEERS.
AND THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS, YOU KNOW, THE, IF, IF SOMEONE MEETS THE TOP THREE REQUIREMENTS OF THE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THAT FAR EXCEEDS WHAT A PLUMBING, WHAT WHAT AN ENGINEER PROBABLY HAS, BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE STRUCTURAL OR WHATEVER, THEY DON'T, YOU'RE NOT MAKING SURE THEY'VE GOT THE BACKGROUND IN PLUMBING.
AND SO I HAVE A CONCERN THAT, THAT IT'S SOMEWHAT DISCRIMINATORY THAT YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, THESE INDIVIDUALS MEET THESE TOP THREE ITEMS, BUT YET WE'RE GONNA MAKE 'EM DO SOMETHING MORE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE YOUR INSPECTORS DO IT.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A STEP, A STAIR STEP THEY CAN USE BY GETTING MORE, THEY CAN GET SOME PAY BUMPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT AS A THIRD PARTY OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL US, WE ARE NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF THE, OF THE CITY OR AN INDIVIDUAL.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FAIR THAT YOU PUT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE THE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE PLUS LICENSURE THROUGH THE STATE PLUMBING BOARD AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT MAKING IT EQUAL.
AN ENGINEER MAY NOT HAVE ANY HIGH PLUMBING BACKGROUND, BUT, BUT HE IS GOT A STAFF AND HE CAN SIGN IT AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
I THINK THOSE LAST THREE SHOULD NOT EVEN BE INCLUDED.
I THINK THE FIRST THREE ARE GREAT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THREE I, I I DON'T AGREE WITH.
AND AT, AT THE VERY LEAST YEAH, AT LEAST ACCEPT THE CERTIFICATION I'VE HELD FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS NOW.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S MY POINT ON THAT.
ON THAT, UH, GEORGE LIBA, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR.
SO IS THE PROPOSAL TO, UH, SO IS THE PROPOSAL TO HAVE ALL SIX OF THESE ITEMS A REQUIREMENT OR IS IT A COMBINATION OF ANY OF THOSE? IT WOULD BE ALL SIX AS A REQUIREMENT.
IS IS ROADIE ON THE, ON THIS LINE WITH US? YES SIR.
SO DAVID, ARE YOU ASKING, I MEAN, DO, DO THE CURRENT INSPECTORS ALSO HAVE TO FILL OUT OR BE CERTIFIED THROUGH I C C ON ALL OF THESE? OR IS IT JUST A ONE TIME DEAL FOR YOUR PREP TO BE ABLE TO BE QUALIFIED FOR YOUR STATE LICENSE? IT'S, IT'S, UH, EACH PLUMBING INSPECTOR HAS THE, UH, I C C RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL TO HOLD THE PLUMBING INSPECTOR POSITION IN ADDITION TO THE INSPECTOR'S LICENSE.
THE PLUMBING PLAN REVIEW IS REQUIRED FOR, UH, THE CHIEF.
IS THAT A CITY REQUIREMENT OR IS THAT STATE? NO, THAT'S CITY REQUIREMENT.
SO ALONG WITH THE, YEAH, WITH THE I CCC RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL UHHUH
AND THEN I'D HAVE TO AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO STAY WITH IT.
THAT WAS WITH NO ROBERT STRICKEN WITH NO, NO EXCEPTION OF ALLOWING MY APPLE CERTIFICATION, WHICH IS THE SAME THING.
IT'S COMMERCIAL AND, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND I'VE HELD IT FOR 30 YEARS.
EVERY THREE YEARS YOU HAVE TO RENEW IT AND ITS GOOD AS TO UP TILL 2022.
I JUST RENEWED IT BACK IN 2019.
MR. TRICER, WHAT WAS THAT CERTIFICATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IMO? IT'S A UNIFORM PLUMBING CODE CERTIFICATION AND I'VE HAD IT SINCE 1990.
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JACK UP MORE.SO MS. RODDY, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT ONLY THE EXAMINER IS REQUIRED TO HAVE THE CERTIFICATION FOR PLUMBING PLANS EXAMINER? UH, I'M NOT SURE IF DAVID WAS ABLE TO ANSWER, BUT, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR OUR CHIEF.
SO A INSPECTOR AND SENIOR INSPECTOR ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PLUMBING INSPECTOR WITH I C C.
THE CHIEF IS REQUIRED TO HAVE ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PLUMBING PLANS EXAMINER AS WELL.
SO THE OTHER INSPECTORS WOULD NOT HAVE THAT EXAMINER AS ONE OF THESE, UH, QUALIFICATIONS? CORRECT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE, THAT ALL THESE OTHER INSPECTORS ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE ALL SIX OF THESE, INCLUDING THE EXAMINER.
I'M SORRY, WHICH, UH, WHEN YOU SAY A CITY INSPECTOR OR SOMEBODY THAT'S BEING APPROVED AS UH, KIND OF A THIRD PARTY, UH, I SUPPOSE IF, I GUESS IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THE THIRD PARTY'S GOTTA BE AS QUALIFIED AS A CITY INSPECTOR, WOULD THEY BOTH NEED TO HAVE THAT QUALIFICATION? I THINK OUR INTENT IS TO SAY THAT THIS THIRD PARTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WITHIN HIS COMPANY.
HE SEEMS WOULD MOST LIKELY BE, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WOULD BE THE HIGHEST PERSON THERE, WHICH IS WHERE WE WERE HOPING THEY WOULD AT LEAST MINI MINIMALLY BE REQUIRED TO MEET WHAT THE CHIEF WOULD HAVE.
OUR INSPECTORS AND SENIOR INSPECTORS STILL HAVE THE CHIEF AND THEN THE LARGER D S T COMMUNITY TO KIND OF HELP, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR SUPPORT.
UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR EQUIVALENT TO OUR CHIEF AS A MINIMAL.
SO JEREMY, THE OTHER INSPECTORS, THEY CAN DO THE KIND OF INSPECTIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? THE TUNNELS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY JUST, I GUESS IF, IF SOMETHING CAME UP, THEY GO BACK TO THE CHIEF, IS THAT CORRECT? BUT THE OTHER INSPECTORS THAT DO NOT HAVE THE PLUMBING PLANS EXAMINER, THEY CAN DO THOSE INSPECTIONS, CORRECT? YES SIR.
THEY CAN DO THOSE INSPECTIONS.
MY CONNECTION HERE HAS BEEN CUTTING IN AND OUT HERE GUYS.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.
THE INSPECTORS THAT WORK FOR DAVID, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HOLD A MASTER LICENSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IN THIS CASE WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT'S GONNA BE ALLOWED, OR A THIRD PARTY, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL, BUT INDIVIDUALS ALLOWED TO SUBMIT THE REPORT IS GONNA HAVE TO HAVE IT FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS, WHICH I, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD REQUIREMENT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THE TOP THREE I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
I DO HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE BOTTOM THREE, UM, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE THE IMO ONE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO I C C.
YEAH, YOU COULD SAY IT'S U P C, IT'S I, YOU KNOW, I P C, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODES NOW, THE 2018 VERSION, WHICH YOU'RE UNDER IS SO SIMILAR TO U P C.
NOW, IN A LOT OF INSTANCES, MOST OF IT HAS TO DO WITH MAYBE SOME DIFFERENCES IN MATERIAL THAT ONE ACCEPTS THAT THE OTHER DOESN'T ACCEPT.
BUT AS FAR AS THE CORE OF PLUMBING, EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY'RE THE SAME.
AND THAT'S WHY THE STATE PLUMBING BOARD, WHEN THEY DO THEIR TESTS, IS BASED ON THE CORE AND THE CORE OF THE CODES IS THE SAME.
SO WHETHER I'VE GOT THE I ATMOS CERTIFICATION OR THIS ONE, IT'S STILL A CERTIFIED PLUMBING INSPECTOR ANY WAY YOU GO.
AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT CAN'T BE, UH, ACCEPTED IN LIEU OF THOSE THREE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ONE, THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE, OR I DON'T THINK NUMBER SIX SHOULD BE THERE AT ALL PERSONALLY, BUT, BUT FOUR AND FIVE, I MEAN, IT, IT IS A COMPARABLE CERTIFICATION, THE ONE I HAVE.
AND I, LIKE I SAID, I'VE HAD IT SINCE, UH, SINCE 1990 AND I KEEP IT CURRENT EVERY THREE YEARS.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO RE I DON'T THINK THOSE THREE SHOULD EVEN BE ON THERE, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, AT LEAST ALLOW THE ONE THAT I HAVE BE ACCEPTED AS AS A ALTERNATIVE.
WELL, I, UH, GEORGE SALIBA, I WOULD AGREE THAT THE I AMO AND THE I C C UH, CERTIFICATIONS ARE RELATIVELY EQUAL.
SO ONE SHOULD BE QUALIFIED AS THE OTHER.
WHAT DO YOU END UP HAVING TO GO, GO THROUGH TO GET THESE CERTIFICATIONS? HOW HARD ARE THEY TO GET? WELL, THEY'RE NOT THE EASIEST THING TO DO.
YOU, YOU'VE GOTTA STUDY THE CODES AND, AND THEN
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OF COURSE THE TESTS ARE BASED ON, ON WHAT'S IN THE CODES AS FAR AS THE DEFINITIONS, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS FROM CHAPTER, STARTING WITH CHAPTER FOUR ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UM, DEPENDING WHICH CODE YOU'RE USING.UH, THE I P C HAS, I MEAN, THE U P C HAS THE CHAPTER 12, WHICH HAS A GAS IN IT, WHEREAS WITH THE I P C, THEY HAVE THE FUEL GAS SECTION PULLED OUT SEPARATELY, BUT THEY'RE BOTH BASED ON N FPA 54, WHICH IS, I MEAN, IN FACT THE, THE GAS CODES ARE IDENTICAL BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH OUT OF N FPA 54.
BUT YOUR QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TO ANSWER ARE ALL BASED ON, ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE CODES.
AND BASED ON THOSE CHAPTERS, THEY'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO SANITARY THE WATER, THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A PIECE OF CAKE TO TO PASS.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE IT TWO AND THREE TIMES TO GET BACK THROUGH THOSE THINGS.
AND I'M PROUD TO SAY I PASSED ON THE FIRST TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES QUITE A BIT TO GET 'EM AND MONEY.
YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY DOING IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS WELL.
AND THESE REQUIREMENTS AS STRICTER OR AS, UH, RODDY, ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE? YES, I AM.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE CURRENT INSPECTORS THAT ARE DOING THESE INSPECTIONS OUT IN THE FIELD, THEY HAVE THESE CERTIFICATIONS.
THEY HAVE THE, UH, I C C RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UH, IT'S REQUIRED TO HOLD THAT PLUMBING INSPECTOR POSITION.
THEY HAVE TO OBTAIN THAT, THOSE I C C CERTIFICATIONS WITHIN A YEAR OF EMPLOYMENT, THEY HAVE TO OBTAIN THEIR STATE BOARD PLUMBING INSPECTOR'S LICENSE WITHIN THE FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS OF EMPLOYMENT TO HAVE THE POSITION.
I KINDA UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE, WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, STRICTER WITH THE CITY, IF THEY'RE REQUIRING THOSE, YOU KNOW, ENDORSEMENTS FOR THE INSPECTORS THEY WANTING, YOU JUST HAVE THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS THAT THEY'RE HAVING THERE.
AND WHAT I, ROBERT STRICKER WOULD LIKE TO SAY, LIKE, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS THAT MY I AMO CERTIFICATION IS EQUIVALENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD IT NOT BE ALSO ACCEPTED? THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THOSE, THEN THAT'S FINE, BUT AT LEAST ALLOW THE I ATMO ONE THAT I'VE HELD FOR 30 YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST TRYING FOR EQUALNESS IN FAIRNESS HERE, UH, GEORGE SALIVA.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE I C C OR THE I A O WOULD BE, THOSE CERTIFICATIONS HAVE TO BE RENEWED.
YOU RETEST EVERY THREE YEARS AGAIN, OR NOW THEN ON THE STATE LEVEL, ONCE YOU OBTAIN YOUR IN INSPECT INSPECTOR'S LICENSE, IS THERE ANY THREE YEAR RENEWAL ON THOSE? NO.
SO RENEW IT EVERY YEAR, LIKE YOUR PLUMBING LICENSE.
SO YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR CERTIFICATIONS JUST TO BE ABLE TO BE CURRENT BASICALLY WITH CODE? IS THAT WHAT CERTIFICATION? YEAH, ROBERT, YOU ONLY CERTIFICATION.
'CAUSE THE CITY WANTS THAT AS A REQUIREMENT, AND IT HAS TO BE, IN ORDER TO KEEP THOSE CERTIFICATIONS, THEY HAVE TO BE RENEWED EVERY THREE YEARS.
UM, JUST LIKE YOUR LICENSE RENEWED EVERY YEAR.
YOU GOTTA TAKE CONTINUING ED TO GET THAT RENEWAL.
BUT YOU DO THE SAME THING WITH THE, WITH THE CERTIFICATIONS.
YOU GOTTA TAKE SOME CONTINUING ED AND DO VARIOUS THINGS IN ORDER TO RENEW THEM EVERY THREE YEARS.
THERE, THERE IS NO TESTING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE I C C AFTER THE INITIAL TEST.
ONCE YOU'VE PASSED, THEN IT IS A QUALIFICATION, UM, OF THE CEUS AND RENEWAL.
UM, I BELIEVE EVERY THREE YEARS, CORRECT? OH, IT'S NOT A RETEST.
JUST A, JUST A, UM, CERTIFICATION OF, UH, THE, UH, CONTINUED EDUCATION, UH, THROUGH I CCC.
SO THEY'RE I C C REQUIRED, UH, APPROVED CERTIFICATION HOURS.
UH, BUT AS SOON AS YOU MAKE THOSE ARE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND THEN OF COURSE PAY THE FEE, UH, THEN YOU'RE RENEWED, UH, UNLESS YOU ELAPSED.
AND ONCE YOU'VE ELAPSED YOU HAVE SO MUCH TIME BEFORE YOU HAVE TO RETEST.
CHRIS GARCIA, CAN ANYBODY TAKE THE, THE PLUMBING INSPECTOR, THE STATE EXAM AND BECOME, I MEAN, IF THEY MEET, LIKE WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT? 'CAUSE I'M WONDERING IF, IF I, I WANNA STICK WITH THE, THE I C C C CERTIFICATION.
THAT'S WHAT OUR PLUMBING, THE CITY'S PLUMBING INSPECTORS.
AND THIS WOULD BE TO INSPECT THINGS OF THE CITY.
BUT IF WE OPEN IT UP TO THE, THE, UM, THE U P C CERTIFICATION, MAYBE WE COULD COMBINE THAT IF YOU HAVE YOUR U P C AND YOUR STATE PLUMBING AND WE COULD ALLOW THAT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THE CITY FEELS ABOUT THAT.
UH, DAVID, COULD YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE QUALIFICATIONS NEEDED FOR THE INSPECTOR LICENSE WITH THE STATE
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AJO JOURNEYMAN OR A MASTER IS ABLE TO, UH, SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, UH, FOR AN INSPECTOR EXAM THROUGH THE STATE BOARD.UM, IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH THEIR INSPECTOR EXAM, THEY MAY POSSESS THAT INSPECTOR'S LICENSE AND IT WOULD BE IN EFFECT, UH, INACTIVE UNTIL THAT INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE EMPLOYED BY A MUNICIPALITY.
UH, WHEN WE HIRE NEW PEOPLE HERE IN THE PLUMBING DEPARTMENT, I ALWAYS SEND A NOTICE TO THE STATE PLUMBING BOARD THAT THIS SO-AND-SO INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN EMPLOYED BY OUR DEPARTMENT.
HE CURRENTLY HAS ADJO JOURNEYMAN'S LICENSE AND OR A MASTER NOT DOING ANY INSPECTIONS OR ANYTHING.
AND TYPICALLY IT TAKES ABOUT FOUR, EVEN PERHAPS FIVE MONTHS BEFORE THE INDIVIDUAL IS SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING, UH, THE INSPECTOR'S LICENSE FROM THE STATE BOARD.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE ANY OTHER PEOPLE.
IT, IT RUNS ABOUT 50% SUCCESS RATE 50 TO ABOUT 65% SUCCESS RATE AND PASSING THE STATE BOARD PLUMBING INSPECTOR EXAM.
UH, ONCE THEY'VE OBTAINED THEIR INSPECTOR'S LICENSE IN HAND, THEN WE, UH, UH, TURN THOSE INDIVIDUALS OUT, UH, TO DO INSPECTIONS.
OF COURSE, THEY'VE HAD FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS WORTH OF TRAINING, RIDING WITH THE OTHER PLUMBING INSPECTORS.
AND THEN THE I C C SINCE OH NINE WHEN WE WENT TO THE I C C.
AND, AND, UH, ANYONE SINCE THEN, UH, HIRED SINCE THEN AND OR GAINING A PROMOTION HAVE TO OBTAIN THE I C C UH, PLUMBING CERTIFICATIONS, UH, TO HOLD A POSITION WITHIN A YEAR.
AND EVEN EVEN WITH THE I C C PLUMBING CERTIFICATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A 60% SUCCESS RATE.
LIKE ROBERT SAID, THAT'S NO WALKING APART TRYING TO GET THOSE PLUMBING CERTIFICATIONS EVEN AFTER YOU'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING THE, THE STATE PLUMBING BOARD'S INSPECTOR'S LICENSE.
SO THAT THE I C C CERTIFICATIONS DO ADD QUITE A BIT MORE EDUCATION, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UH, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE I C C CODE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL LEARNS WHEN THEY GO THROUGH ALL THAT CERTIFICATION PROCESS.
SO FOR THE STATE CERTIFICATION, YOU, I GUESS IT'S, IT'S, IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE ACTIVE, YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR A MUNI, A MUNICIPALITY.
YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU CAN'T BE LIKE A AND WORK FOR EITHER SELF-EMPLOYED OR FOR A COMPANY AND DO INSPECTIONS TO, TO GET THE STATE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THERE'S, UH, MOST OF THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTION AGENCIES, UH, FOR, I'M, I, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY ALL OF 'EM FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
NOW THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE PERFORMING PLUMBING INSPECTIONS, THEN THEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A, A STATE BOARD PLUMBING INSPECTOR'S LICENSE.
AND MOST OF THOSE FOLKS I HEAR ARE, UH, RETIRED INSPECTORS FROM DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES THAT, UH, THAT WORK FOR THOSE FOLKS.
WELL, HOW WOULD THE CITY FEEL ABOUT THAT THEN, USING, HAVING, ALLOWING U P C IN PLACE OF THE I C C CERTIFICATION THERE? WELL, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO THE I C C WHEN WE CHANGED CODES BACK IN OH NINE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY TWO INDIVIDUALS HERE THAT HAVE THE I UTMOST CERTIFICATION, AND THEY, THEY'VE BEEN HERE MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS WILL BE RETIRED BY THE END OF JANUARY AND WE WON'T HAVE ANY IMO CERTIFIED INDIVIDUALS ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW? THEN DO YOU FEEL, DAVID, THIS IS GEORGE AGAIN.
DO, DO YOU FEEL THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, MORE RELEVANT TO BE I C C CERTIFIED AS OPPOSED TO I AMO OR ARE THEY AN EQUAL MATCH? YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T EVEN VENTURED TO KEEP UP OR TO STAY IN TUNE WITH THE I A M O SINCE 2009 WHEN WE WENT I C C, UH, I DID NOTICE QUITE A BIT OF
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A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CODES, ESPECIALLY IN THE VENTING PORTION OF THE, UH, I C C AND THE I AMO.BUT I HAVEN'T KEPT UP WITH, UH, WITH I AMO.
UH, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD BE MORE IN TUNE SINCE WE HAVE I C C CODES SINCE OH NINE AND, AND WE'LL PROBABLY CONTINUE WITH THE I C C CODES THAT INDIVIDUALS SHOULD HAVE THAT I C C CERTIFICATION.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF OUR THINKING AS WELL.
THE, THE CODES THAT WE ADOPT AND, AND ARE FAMILIAR WITH IN ENFORCING THE CITY ARE THE I C C.
AND THAT'S WHY WE, UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR INSPECTOR'S REQUIREMENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY WE HAD CHOSEN THAT AS KIND OF THE, THE BASIS FOR ALLOWING A THIRD PARTY, UH, WAS TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE, UM, BUILT WITHIN THESE CODES AND APPROVED BY THE ORGANIZATION THAT ISSUES THESE CODES.
UH, SO THAT WAS THE STAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE STANCE OF THE CITY IS TO, UH, TO MAINTAIN THE I C CER CCC, I'M SORRY, I C C CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO, SO ROBERT STRIPER, CAN I INTERJECT? YES, SIR.
SO BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID, DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE THE ENGINEERS TO GET THESE CERTIFICATIONS AS WELL? I'M JUST SAYING EQUAL TIMES EQUAL FAIR HERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT SURE SOUNDS DISCRIMINATORY IF YOU'RE NOT, BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU, I'LL PUT MY, I'LL PUT MY CREDENTIALS UP AGAINST ANY ENGINEER WHEN IT COMES TO PLUMBING.
THE ENGINEER MAY BE STRUCTURAL, HE MAY BE THIS, BUT THERE'S NO WAY HE'S EVER INSTALLED IT.
HE UNDERSTANDS IT AND FULLY, FULLY GETS THE INTENT AND SCOPE OF ENOUGH.
THE PLUMBING SAYS HE MAY GET THE STRUCTURAL SIDE, BUT HE DOESN'T.
AND YET YOU'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, THAT GUY'S GOOD, JUST 'CAUSE HE'S AN ENGINEER.
WE'RE GONNA LET HIM SIGN OFF ON IT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD.
OTHERWISE, MY, MY, UH, I ATMOS CERTIFICATION, I'LL BE GOOD ENOUGH.
I'VE HAD IT FOR 30 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN IN THE PLUMBING BUSINESS SINCE 1975.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GOT QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS LOOKING AT THIS PLUMBING AS IT GETS REPLACED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOMEOWNER HAS SAFE, SANITARY PLUMBING BOTTOM LINE.
AND IF YOU SENT AN INDIVIDUAL, AND GEORGE, IF, I DON'T MEAN TO CALL YOU OUT A LITTLE BIT, BUT YOU EVEN MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD AN ENGINEER YOU USED AND HE HAD TO CALL YOU TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WORK YOU DID.
AND I'M JUST SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF SAN ANTONIO TRULY MEANING WHAT THEY'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW, THEN BY GOLLY, YOU AUTOMATE IT ACROSS THE BOARD, MAKE THOSE ENGINEERS DO IT AS WELL.
OTHERWISE, ACCEPT MY IMO CERTIFICATION.
I DON'T THINK THE CERTIFICATION SHOULD BE THERE ANYWAY.
BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, AT LEAST ACCEPT MINE.
I'VE GOT MORE THAN A 15 YEARS, MORE THAN A 10.
I'VE GOT ALL THAT BEAT BY MANY YEARS.
THE POINT IS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND I USED TO BE THE CHIEF.
I SAT THERE WHERE DAVID WAS FOR MANY YEARS, AND I'M THE ONE WHO RECOMMENDED DAVID FOR THAT JOB.
BUT THE POINT IS, I'VE GOT ALL THE EXPERIENCE TO DO THIS.
ALL I'M ASKING IS, IS DON'T GO CHANGE THE RULES ON ME.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE THE CERTIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GREAT, BUT THEY DON'T MAKE THE INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY YOU, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THAT PLUMBING CODE IS WHAT MAKES THE INDIVIDUAL, AND I'M NOT SAYING THE CERTIFICATION DON'T HELP YOU STUDY THE CODE A LITTLE BIT TO GET SOME MORE KNOWLEDGE, BUT, BUT IF YOU CAN PASS THAT THE INSPECTOR EXAM AT THE STATE LEVEL, THEN, THEN YOU'VE PASSED THE BIGGEST HURDLE RIGHT THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE THAT MANY YEARS AGO AND, AND I, I MAINTAINED MY LICENSE EVERY YEAR.
I MAINTAINED MY CERTIFICATION.
TH I USED TO HAVE THE I C C BACK WHEN IT WAS ONLY THE PLUMBING.
IT WASN'T BROKEN INTO RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL.
AND WHEN WE WEREN'T USING THAT CODE, I FINALLY WENT AHEAD AND LET IT GO.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS WITH EMPLOYEE WITH SAN ANTONIO.
AND WE WERE UNDER THE UNIFORM PLUMBING CODE, BUT I GOT THE OTHER ONE JUST BECAUSE, AND I WENT TO ALL THE MEETINGS ABOUT THE OTHER CODES.
I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE CODE CHANGES FOR MANY YEARS UNDER FOR THE I CODES.
UM, JUST BECAUSE I STAYED INVOLVED WITH BOTH, I STILL STAY INVOLVED WITH BOTH CODES AS A MATTER OF FACT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU, LOOKING AT THE TWO CODES NOW, THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR COMPARED TO THE, WHAT THEY WERE IN 2009.
THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES WITH THINGS SUCH AS, UH, COMPONENTS.
UH, THE I CODE ALLOWS, UH, AIR MAINTENANCE VALVE, THE UNIFORM CODE DOESN'T, THERE'S SOME CHANGES THERE.
THERE'S SOME, UH, LITTLE BIT OF CHANGES ON THE, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BACKFLOW PROTECTION ONE'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
I THINK THE U PC'S A LITTLE BETTER IN THAT REGARD, BUT THE I CODE'S CATCHING UP, THEY'RE GETTING BETTER IN THAT, ON THAT CHAPTER SIX, THAT COVERS THE CROSS CONNECTION SECTION.
BUT THE CODES ARE VERY, VERY SIMILAR.
SO THE, THE CERTIFICATION I HAVE THROUGH ATMO SHOULD CARRY THROUGH.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT MY POINT IS, UH,
SO WHENEVER YOU GUYS BRING ON, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING A NEW INSPECTOR, YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES SEVERAL MONTHS TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AT THAT TIME.
ARE THEY GOING THROUGH AND GETTING THEIR CERTIFICATIONS
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BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THEIR TEST FOR THE RESIDENTIAL INSPECTOR LICENSE? IS THAT PART OF IT AS THEY, THEY'RE, I GUESS, APPRENTICING TOWARDS BEING AN INSPECTOR THERE? WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO INDIVIDUALS ACTUALLY DO THAT.UM, THE MAJORITY OF 'EM CONCENTRATE ON GETTING A STATE BOARD INSPECTOR'S LICENSE.
UH, FIRST AND, AND QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, UH, I THINK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, I ACTUALLY GOT IT CHANGED, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GAIN THREE CERTIFICATIONS, UNLIKE OTHER INSPECTORS THAT HAVE TO JUST GAIN TWO CERTIFICATIONS.
SO THEY GAVE US SIX MONTHS FOR THE, IN, FOR THE STATE BOARD INSPECTOR'S LICENSE, AND THEN SIX MONTHS FOR THE I C C RESIDENTIAL IN SIX MONTHS FOR THE COMMERCIAL TO ACTUALLY 18 MONTHS TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THOSE THREE ITEMS, UH, BEFORE YOU HAVE TO, AND WE'VE HAD SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO HAVE TO GO AWAY 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THOSE CERTIFICATIONS TO KEEP THEIR JOB POSITION.
SO THEY'VE WENT OUT AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE, THE INSPECTOR LIKE, BUT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO SECURE THOSE OTHER ENDORSEMENTS.
AS SOON AS THEY GET THEIR INSPECTOR'S LICENSE AND THEY GET THAT CARD IN THE HAND, THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY SEND THEM OUT THERE TO, TO START DOING PLUMBING INSPECTIONS TO BE PRODUCTIVE.
I MEAN, FOR, FOR THE PLIGHT OF, FOR ROBERT HERE, I MEAN, UH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR SIDE OF IT WITH YOUR CERTIFICATIONS.
I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE EXPERIENCE ON IT, BUT ALSO, I GUESS I SEE THE CITY SIDE TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO BE AT THE SAME STANDARD THAT THEY'RE ALL THEIR INSPECTORS ARE WITH THE CITY THERE AS WELL.
SO, WELL, CAN I ASK DAVID A QUESTION? IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HURDLE TO GO THROUGH TO GET THOSE CERTIFICATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE GUYS ARE GETTING THEM WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
SO I ALSO VIEW IT AS IF YOU GOT THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE INSPECTIONS, YEAH, YOU'D STILL HAVE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO GO THROUGH AND GET YOUR CERTIFICATIONS AND DO THAT, BUT YOU COULD PROBABLY STILL GET IT DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITY'S JUST SAYING THAT YOU'RE MEETING THE, THE CERTIFICATIONS THAT THEIR OWN INSPECTORS ARE.
SO IT'S HARD, IT'S HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT TOO AS WELL.
I HAVE A QUESTION OF DAVID RELATED TO THAT LIBO OR, YOU KNOW, GEORGE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ON THAT? WELL, I MEAN, I, I WOULD THINK THAT WE NEED TO KEEP THE STANDARDS PRETTY HIGH.
'CAUSE WE DON'T, THIS, I'M SURE THE CITY DOESN'T WANT EVERYBODY TRYING TO HELP, IF YOU WISH TO SAY ON THESE TUNNEL INSPECTIONS YET.
I MEAN, THE STATE ACCEPTS THE U P C AND THE I C C OR THE I P C AS FAR AS PLUMBING COATS GO.
SO TO SAY THAT HE SHOULDN'T HAVE I A O AND BE ISOLATED ONLY TO I C C, IF YOU WANTED TO SET A MINIMUM STANDARD AS FAR AS HOLDING THIS, I, UH, I A O CERTIFICATION, IF IT WAS GAINED 20 YEARS AGO, THEN I WOULD FEEL THAT IT FITS THE SAME STANDARD THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SET WITH THE CERTIFICATIONS.
AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY KNEW, SAY ROBERT RETIRES AND SOMEBODY ELSE TRIES TO JUMP IN, THEN I WOULD SAY THEN THAT THE REQUIREMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE I C C CERTIFICATION.
OH, ROBERT TRICER, CAN I ASK DAVID A QUESTION? YES, GO AHEAD.
YOU MENTIONED TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THE I AMOS CERTIFICATION, UHHUH
DO THEY ALSO HAVE THE I C C OR THEY JUST HAVE THE I AMO? NO, WHEN WE WENT TO THE I C C CODES IN 2009, THE DEPARTMENT HONORED THEIR I AMOS CERTIFICATION AND, UH, AS LONG AS THOSE INDIVIDUALS STAYED IN THE POSITION THEY WERE IN, IF THEY WERE EVER, EVER PROMOTED OR WENT TO A DIFFERENT POSITION, THEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD HAVE TO OBTAIN THE I C C CERTIFICATIONS.
SO THESE, THESE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE MANY, MANY YEARS HAVE, HAVE, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, BEEN AT THAT POSITION AND HAVEN'T MOVED ANYWHERE.
SO, UH, THE I ATMO IS STILL HONORED TODAY UNTIL THOSE INDIVIDUALS RETIRE.
SO I GUESS MY POINT WOULD BE THAT THEY DO HONOR TWO INDIVIDUALS.
I'VE GOT IT AND HAD IT A LOT LONGER THAN THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
I'M PRETTY SURE I KNOW WHO THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE THAT HAVE IT.
I'VE HAD MINE A LOT LONGER THAN THEM.
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BE HONORED AS WELL? I MEAN, THEY, THE PRECEDENCE IS SET AND IT GOES ALONG WITH WHAT GEORGE'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, I THINK I, I'M IN AGREEANCE WITH YOU, STRICTER ON IT.UM, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE SOMETHING WITH THE CITY THOUGH, IF, IF THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW THAT ON THEIR SIDE OF IT BECAUSE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, JEREMY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW HOW IT COMES BACK TO US, WE'LL, WE'LL SAY, WELL, WE'LL CONSIDER IT AND LOOK OVER IT, BUT IT ALWAYS KINDA GETS PUSHED BACK SAYING, WELL, IT CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, DONE THIS WAY OR THAT WAY.
SO LOT THE CITY'S WILLING TO GO BEHIND IT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND ALSO WHERE THE CITY'S COMING FROM THOSE CERTIFICATIONS.
AND I MEAN, SIX MONTHS, IT'S SOME TIME, BUT GETTING THIS PASSES I THINK IS A MAJOR HURDLE FOR YOU AND GO THROUGH THOSE CERTIFICATIONS, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE TIME CONSUMING AND A LITTLE BIT OF A HEADACHE.
IT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT PROBABLY JUST MAKE YOU BETTER THERE TOO AS WELL.
UH, THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD OF BEEN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I, TO KIND OF TAKE YOUR POINT, UH, SPENCER? YES.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO IS THIS IS, UH, PART OF THE BOARD ON THE ADVISORY PART.
UH, SO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS BEEN IN THIS DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. RYKER, UH, FOR, FOR A LONG TIME NOW ON TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS, UH, MAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD COME TO A KIND OF A STANDSTILL AND THAT'S WHY HE SAID, ALRIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S, LET'S GO TO THE BOARD AND GET THEIR OPINION.
SO I WOULD SAY ULTIMATELY WHATEVER THE BOARD DECIDES Y'ALL CAN PRESENT TO US AS AN ADVISORY, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
ULTIMATELY, THIS WILL GO INTO MODIFICATION OF AN INFORMATION BULLETIN, WHICH IS AN INTERNAL DOCUMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS BROADCASTED OUT TO, UH, THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO IT IS NOT IN THE SAME SENSE AS LIKE AN APPEAL OR THE ADOPTION OF THE CODES WHERE, UH, WHEREAS HANDHELD, BUT YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO BE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
Y'ALL ARE ARE BOARD, WHICH HAS PUTS US OUT THERE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL WILL BE TO, TO TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WORK WITH THOSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, WHEN MAKING THIS NEW PROGRAM.
SO JEREMY, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO THIRD PARTY, UH, INSPECTORS, RIGHT? RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR INSPECTIONS THROUGH THE CITY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
OR HAVE A LICENSED AND ENGINEER WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS SIGN OFF ON IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PLUMBING BACKGROUND.
AND THE, THE PLUMBING ENGINEER BACKGROUND, THAT'S SOMETHING ALLOWED BY CITY CODE OR IS THAT THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE, I GUESS? UH, CORRECT.
THAT'S THE, UH, CHAPTER ONE THAT ALLOWS THE VOTING OFFICIAL TO ACCEPT, UM, ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION.
IT DOESN'T REALLY SPECIFY THE ENGINEER, UH, IN THAT CHAPTER ONE.
I, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THE VERBIAGE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF AS A, AS A PROCESS THAT THE CITY'S ACCEPTED FOR MANY YEARS AS, AS A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER ARCHITECT, UH, THAT WE DO ALLOW THOSE LETTERS, UH, FOR MANY DIFFERENT, UH, THINGS.
MOSTLY THINGS THAT WE DON'T TYPICALLY INSPECT.
BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE ITEMS WHERE, UH, LIKE SUCH AS THIS, WHERE IT IS A CUT AND DRY, WE HAVE AN IV ALREADY BUILT SAYING AN ENGINEER CAN DO IT.
IT'S ONE OF THE FEW THAT, THAT THE DEFAULT TO AN ENGINEER.
UH, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, TIMES WHERE WE HAVE TO ALLOW AN ENGINEER TO ACCEPT, TO CERTIFY SOMETHING IN CASE IT GOTTEN COVERED UP OR WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO INSPECT IT, UM, OR ANY OTHER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.
BUT THIS IS IS ONE OF THE FEW ONES THAT'S KIND OF WRITTEN INTO A POLICY THAT WE HAVE.
SO, SO BASICALLY THIS IS A NEW SET OF STANDARDS, SO IT'S, IT'S DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE LIKE A, A GRANDFATHERED CLAUSE.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY STANDARDS.
THERE'S SOMETHING NEW TO ALLOW THIRD PARTIES, AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE, UM, THE FIRST FIVE FOR SURE.
I, I THINK SINCE WE ARE, SINCE WE DO USE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE, THE I C C, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE I C C CERTIFICATION, UM, THE PLUMBING PLANS ONE, I'M KIND OF, I CAN BE FLEXIBLE ON THAT ONE BECAUSE IT, IT'S, I SEE WHERE THE CITY WAS COMING FROM, FROM THEIR CHIEF INSPECTOR, UM, REGARDING THAT.
BUT I THINK I'M MORE FLEXIBLE ON THAT ONE ON THE, UH, PLUMBING PLANS EXAMINER REQUIREMENT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, THIS, THIS IS A NEW THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW FOR THE MOST PART MOVING FORWARD.
SO IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WORK IN A, A GRANDFATHER IN-LAW, IF YOU WILL, FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE, WHO ARE BY NO, I MEAN BY ALL MEANS QUALIFIED, THEY JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT CERTIFICATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WORK THAT IN.
I MEAN, WOULD YOU SAY THAT, OH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST THAT CERTIFICATION AND WELL, IT MAKES SENSE 'CAUSE THE SOMETHING ELSE OR DO WE WANNA SAY, WELL, I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH
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I C C, WHICH IS WHAT WE FOLLOW HERE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE SOME DIFFERENCES HERE AND THERE THAT MAY COME INTO PLAY BETWEEN I C C AND U P C.THE U P C IS TYPICALLY MORE STRINGENT OF A CODE BY NATURE.
AND AS THE STATE ALLOWS, THE STATE ALLOWS EITHER YOU USE THE U P C OR THE I P C CODE.
SO IN THAT SITUATION YOU COULD SAY YOU, YOU HAVE EITHER OR OF THOSE CERTIFICATIONS, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS THE U P C CERTIFICATION.
I WANNA CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, YOU, SO, UH, CHRIS, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED THE ENGINEER WITH AN ENGINEERING BACK WITH A PLUMBING BACKGROUND, THAT IS INCORRECT.
THERE'S NOTHING STATING THEY HAVE THAT APPLYING BACKGROUND AND MOST OF THEM DO NOT.
ALRIGHT, THE SECOND THING IS, THIS IS A NEW PROGRAM, CHAPTER ONE OH, CHAPTER ONE, SECTION 1 0 4 0.4 OF THE BUILDING CODE ALLOWS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL, IT DOESN'T SAY, ENGINEER SAYS THAT THE, THE, THE BILLING AUTHORITY, THE BILLING OFFICIAL CAN ACCEPT LETTERS OF INSPECTIONS OR OBSERVATIONS FROM OTHER INDIVIDUALS.
NOW THE CITY SINCE WAY BACK IN THE LATE SEVENTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES, HAS ALLOWED AN ENGINEER TO SUBMIT LETTERS FOR STRUCTURAL AND VARIOUS THINGS.
I KNOW THAT, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN BACK IN THE CITY BACK IN THE EIGHTIES, SO I KNOW THEY USED TO ALLOW THEM.
AND OVER THE YEARS THEY HAVE ALLOWED LETTERS FROM OTHER INDIVIDUALS.
SO YOU'RE NOT CREATING ANYTHING NEW HERE.
THE, THE CODE ALREADY ALLOWS YOU TO ALLOW AN INDIVIDUAL, I'M AN AN INDIVIDUAL.
UM, TO GET BACK TO, TO WHAT JEREMY, I MEAN WHAT, UH, SPENCER WAS JUST SAYING IS HE'S CORRECT.
THE U P C IS A LITTLE MORE STRINGENT, UH, THAN THE, THAN THE INTERNATIONAL ON VARIOUS THINGS.
UM, I KNOW IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT GETTING THAT, UH, CER CERTIFICATION BECAUSE YOU GOTTA DO, IT'S NOT BROKEN DOWN THE INDIVIDUAL THING, IT'S ON EVERYTHING.
SO IT WAS A PRETTY EIGHT HOUR LONG TEST.
UM, SO MY CREDENTIALS ARE THERE, AND I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF GOING FORWARD THEY GOT SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE, AND I THINK YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS OR SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, CERTAIN CRITERIA AND NEW TO THE GAME, MAYBE THEY DO HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE I C C CERTIFICATIONS.
BUT YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOMEONE THAT'S NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.
I'VE GOT A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF INSURANCE.
I GOT CARRIED, I'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT'S LIABILITY ON ME TO MAKE SURE I DO THIS RIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE THE SEED TO PROTECT ME IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG.
IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, THEY DON'T SUE ME, NOT THE CITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE, IN THE ENGINEERS AS I AS I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT DON'T HAVE PLUMBING BACKGROUND, THEY CAN JUST SIGN OFF ON IT.
YOU'RE NOT MAKING THEM HAVE THE I C C CERTIFICATIONS.
WHY ARE YOU MAKING ME AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS DOUBLE THE YEARS YOU'VE GOT LISTED UP THERE? I'VE HAD MY MASTER'S LICENSE SINCE 1982.
I'VE HAD, UH, A, A LICENSE SINCE 1978.
I'VE HAD MY INSPECTOR'S LICENSE SINCE 88.
I'VE, I EXCEED THESE REQUIREMENTS BIG TIME PLUS 30 YEARS WORTH OF BEING CERTIFIED.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING ON IS THAT IT SOUNDS, OH, IT'S SIMPLE.
IT'S ONLY SIX X MONTHS OR 12 MORE MONTHS.
NO, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE NOW.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A BUSY WORK SCHEDULE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
I MEAN, WE CAN ARGUE THE POINT, UH, I'M NOT SAYING I COULDN'T GET THESE.
I COULD, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT I SHOULD HAVE TO WHEN I ALREADY HAVE THE CERTIFICATION THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A FACT.
THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO DO I KNOW THE I CODES? YES, I HAVE TO BECAUSE I ALSO DO CONSULTING AND I HAVE TO CONSULT A LOT OF THESE CITIES AROUND HERE WITH THE I CODE.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE.
UM, I SIT ON THE FIRST FEW COMMITTEES BACK IN 1995 ON THAT CODE WHEN THEY FIRST GOT CREATED.
I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE, UM, HERE LATELY MORE SO THAN WITH THE U P C BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HAVING TO ANSWER A LOT OF THE CITIES AROUND HERE USING THE I CODE.
SO I HAVE TO REALLY DELVE INTO IT A WHOLE LOT.
BUT, BUT MY CERTIFICATION'S STILL VALID, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
WELL, I CAN AGREE ON, THIS IS MY POINT AND GEORGE, YOU TELL ME HOW YOU FEEL.
I KIND OF AGREE WITH CHRIS ON THE, THE CERTIFICATION FOR THE PLANS EXAMINER.
YOU COULD PROBABLY SCRAP THAT ONE.
AND I'M WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH HAVING THE U P C CERTIFICATION IN THERE EITHER OR ON THEM.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD PUT ROBERT WHERE HE'D WANT TO BE ON IT.
AS FAR AS THE QUALIFICATIONS THERE, UH, GEORGE LIBA.
SO I, I AGAIN WOULD FALL BACK AND SAY THAT IF YOU HAD A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF HOLDING THE, UH, UH, I ATMOS CERTIFICATION, MEANING POSSESSION OF I ADMIRAL CERTIFICATION FOR 20 YEARS.
'CAUSE IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO BE UPDATED OR MAINTAINED EVERY THREE YEARS OR
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RE-CERTIFIED EVERY THREE YEARS.BUT YET I PERSONALLY, UH, I'M TIRED OF THE ENGINEERS IN THERE GUESSING AT WHAT I'VE DONE.
UH, BUT YET I DON'T WANT EVERYTHING TO BE PARTIAL.
SO THEN IF, UH, I, I DON'T WANT IT TO ALL BE ACCOMMODATING TO ROBERT FOR FEAR THAT THE CITY WOULD BE IN A POSITION OF TAKING FAVORITISM AS OPPOSED TO DISCRIMINATION.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS, ANY KINDA SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEONE COMES UP AND BRINGS THIS UP, IT'S GONNA GET A FAVORITISM TO WHOEVER BRINGS IT IN TO CREATE THE QUALIFICATIONS IN THAT SENSE.
SO WHETHER IT'S ROBERT OR THE NEXT PERSON IN LINE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF THAT ELEMENT TO IT ALL.
SO, AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT.
AND SO I THINK THE QUALIFICATIONS ARE THERE WITH THEM, BUT TRUE.
AND YET, IF YOU GO AHEAD AND, AND BALANCE IT BY GIVING A MINIMUM, UH, UH, A SET OF YEARS FOR, UH, MAINTAINING YOUR I AMO THEN PRETTY MUCH LIKE DAVID SAID, EVERYBODY'S THAT HAS I AMO CERTIFICATIONS OR SLOWLY RETIRING AND EVERYBODY NEW IS WITH THE I C C.
SO ONCE ROBERT SAYS I'M OUT, I CAN'T DO INSPECTIONS ANYMORE, TUNNELS EITHER.
THEN OF COURSE NOW THAT ANYBODY ELSE THAT TRIES TO FIT THAT MOLD WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE I C C STUFF.
AND I'M ALMOST TEMPTED, I DON'T KNOW HOW ROADIE SAYS, BUT JUST TO PROTECT EVERYBODY IN THE FUTURE, WHOEVER THIS INDIVIDUAL IS, I FEEL SHOULD BE PART OF CITY MEETINGS WITH THE INSPECTORS.
SO WE KNOW THAT ALL OUR INSPECTORS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, UH, I THINK A GOOD POINT ON THAT IS THE, UH, FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERING, UH, INDIVIDUALS.
THERE ARE SOME QUALIFICATIONS THAT THEY HAVE THAT ALLOW THEM TO SIGN OFF ON THINGS WITH THE CITY.
THEY DON'T REQUIRE REVIEWS, UH, VIA KIND OF A THIRD PARTY REVIEWER.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IS TO BE A MEMBER OF THAT ORGANIZATION IS TO MEET, UM, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TIMES WITH A GROUP, UH, OVERSEEN BY OUR SENIOR FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER.
UH, IT'S A BIWEEKLY MONTH, UH, MEETING, UH, THAT THEY GO OVER ALL THE THINGS.
SO THAT, I MEAN THAT WE DO HAVE A KIND OF A, A CASE WHERE WE'VE MADE THAT WORK WHERE SOMEBODY THAT'S QUALIFIED IN THIS PROGRAM IS MEETING WITH CITY INDIVIDUALS TO KINDA BE BROUGHT UP TO SPEED ON A CONCERNS AND ITEMS. SO I MEAN, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD ADD AS A RECOMMENDATION AS WELL, RIGHT.
SO THEN WE KNOW THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL ISN'T OUT THERE MAKING HIS OWN DECISIONS.
HE'S STILL GOTTA RUN IT THROUGH ROADIE.
I THINK THAT KEEPS THE CITY IN THE LOOP TOO WITH EACH OTHER AND, AND THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR THERE.
YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
UH, SO I THINK WE'RE, I GUESS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF COMING TO THE TAIL END OF DISCUSSIONS.
UH, HOW DID Y'ALL WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, THESE SIX ITEMS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO POTENTIALLY THIS ADDITIONAL ITEM OF, UH, KIND OF A FOLLOW UP, YOU KNOW, NUMBER OF, UH, MEETINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALONG WITH THE OTHER, UM, BUILDING INSPECTORS OF THE PLUMBING SIDE WITH OUR, WITH OUR CHIEF.
DID Y'ALL WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THIS SPECIFICALLY, OR DO WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE QUALIFICATIONS AND SEE WHAT DISCUSSION THERE IS TO THAT BEFORE MAKING ANY MOTIONS? UH, I WOULD THINK THAT WE'D WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE 'EM.
ARE YOU SAYING LEAVE THIS SET RIGHT NOW OR, OR GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE CHANGES TO 'EM AND THEN PRESENT 'EM? OH, I MEAN, I CAN, UH, MAKE THE CHANGES.
IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE ME TO MAKE A CHANGE NOW I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE AND THEN I CAN, UH, MAKE A MOTION OFF OF THOSE.
UM, OR IF Y'ALL WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION AND THAT CAN CHANGE 'EM.
UH, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD SOME DISCUSSION ON THE IMO ACCEPTING IT AND NOT ACCEPTING IT.
SO, UM, AS, AS A, AS A COMMITTEE, HOW DID Y'ALL WANT ME TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH THAT MOTION? OR FIRST WE'D HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO CHANGE SOMETHING AND MAKE A MOTION OFF OF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW.
WELL THEN I MAKE THE MOTION TO ADD IN THAT YOU HAVE THE I ATMOS CERTIFICATION AND REMOVE THE CERTIFICATION FOR THE PLAN EXAMINER AND ADD BACK AND CHANGE YOUR SIX TO GET RID OF THE PLAN EXAMINER.
BUT GO AHEAD AND ADD BACK YOUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT MEETINGS
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WITH YOUR REST OF YOUR INSPECTORS, CITY INSPECTORS IN PLACE OF THAT.DO WE, DO WE NEED LIKE A, A TIME FOR THAT, THAT IMO? 'CAUSE IT'S, IT SOUNDED LIKE I WOULD, THOSE THINGS WHERE YEAH, WHERE IT'S LIKE IF IT'S MAINTAINED THAT CERTIFICATION FOR 15 YEARS OR WHATEVER NUMBER IT IS, UM, UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, OUR THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE IMA WAS HELD AND MAINTAINED PRIOR TO THE CITY ADOPTING TO THE I P C MOVING AWAY FROM THE U P C, LETTING THAT BE THE TRIGGER TO OH NINE, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
SO IT'D BE IN LIEU OF, YOU EITHER HAVE TO BE I C C OR I ATMO PRIOR TO OH NINE.
I, I CAN AGREE WITH THAT AND I WILL TOO.
THIS IS GEORGE AND I'M SORRY, WHAT AM I MISSING HERE IT IS I A P M O I A P M O.
AND ROBERT, YOU SAID THAT, UH, IMO DOES NOT MAKE ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL? NO, YOU HAVE TO KNOW 'EM BOTH.
YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU DO IT, YOU'RE DOING IT FOR COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, EVERYTHING AND THE GAS, ALL OF IT TOGETHER.
UH, DO Y'ALL HAVE A, DOES THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS? UM, I APOLOGIZE.
ON THE FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERS SIDE, HOW MANY THEY HAVE TO MEET PER YEAR? THEY DO BY MONTHLIES.
UH, WHERE WE HAVE A MONTHLY MEETING, WELL, THIS IS GEORGE SLEEP.
I'D SAY THE MINIMUM OF TWO YEARLY, LIKE EVERY SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING.
JUST SO HE CAN BE BROUGHT UP TO DATE OF ANY CHANGES THAT ROADIE MAKES.
MAYBE NOT CHANGES MORE LIKE INTERPRETATION.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING OVER IS WE'RE SEEING THIS IN THE FIELD, UM, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S UNIFORM ACROSS ALL INSPECTORS ON AN INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE.
OH, I WAS GONNA ASK DAVID THAT TOO, HOW MANY MEETINGS HE TYPICALLY HAS OR GET A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.
I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT THE FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERING ONE.
SO WE DO HAVE BI-MONTHLY MEETINGS.
SO TECHNICALLY THAT MEANS SIX MEETINGS IN A YEAR TO BE QUALIFIED, YOU NEED TO ATTEND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE MEETINGS.
SO YOU HAVE TO ATTEND MORE THAN THREE.
SO WHAT WE SAY IS YOU ATTEND FOUR, YOU ARE GOOD TO GO, YOU ATTEND THREE, YOU ARE DISQUALIFIED.
SO ON THIS ONE HERE, IF WE ARE DOING MONTHLY MEETINGS, THEN I WOULD SAY THEY NEED TO ATTEND SEVEN OF THOSE MONTHLY MEETINGS.
I CAN AGREE TO, DO WE HAVE ROADIE STILL ON THE PHONE? YES, I'M STILL HERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR MEETINGS? UH, WE HAVE 'EM MONTHLY.
WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
UH, THE, UH, GOLLY, THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH IS WHEN PLUMBING HAS THEIR MEETINGS AND THEN ELECTRICAL SECOND, SECOND WEDNESDAY AND MECHANICAL THIRD WEDNESDAY, IT GOES LIKE THAT.
SO IF WE HAD SOMEONE BESIDES ROBERT STRICKER WANTED TO DO THIS, WOULD YOUR REQUIREMENTS BE ANY DIFFERENT? WOULD FOR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S ONLY PERTAINING
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TO TUNNEL INSPECTIONS, WOULD YOU EXPECT THEM TO BE THERE EVERY MONTH? I, UH, I'M, I WOULD AGREE WITH SEVEN MEETINGS.YEAH, A GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS IT ALSO OPENS THAT FORUM AS WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ON AN ISLAND.
THEY GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO DISCUSS WITH, UH, DAVID AT THAT SAME TIME ON A KIND OF AN OPEN FORUM WITH OUR SENIORS AND REGULAR INSPECTORS OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE SEEING.
UH, SO IT ALSO GIVES US SOME GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
JEREMY, THIS, THIS IS DAVID DY.
I WOULD, UH, PERHAPS WE SHOULD CALL THAT, UH, IMO FLEMING INSPECTOR CERTIFICATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THE QUALIFICATIONS? THESE LOOK GOOD TO EVERYBODY.
I THINK THEY, THEY'RE A GOOD SET OF QUALIFICATIONS AND IT'S KIND OF FALLS BACK TO IF OUR, OUR CITY INSPECTORS, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SAYING THAT THESE OTHER INDIVIDUALS ARE AS EQUALS AND THIS KIND OF, THIS DOES THAT.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BROAD ENOUGH SO THAT IT'S BEING FAIR TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO DO THIS.
AND I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE LOOKED AT AS KIND OF CATERING TO AN INDIVIDUAL, BECAUSE ANYBODY WHO HAS THAT OTHER CERTIFICATION BEFORE AND MAINTAINED IT BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THE I P C CODES, THEY CAN ALSO, IF THEY WANTED TO GET INTO THIS, THEY CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
EVERYTHING ELSE, IT HAS THE PLUMBING AND RESIDENTIAL.
UH, I THINK IF YOU TAKE THAT CERTIFICATION AND YOU HAVE THE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, I'M GOOD.
UH, DID Y'ALL WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THIS OR DID WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCEDURES AND MAKE A, A FULL FORMAL MOTION ON EVERYTHING? I DON'T MIND GOING AHEAD AND DOING A FORMAL MOTION.
IF EVERYBODY ELSE, I'LL, I'LL, UH, SUPPORT THE FORMAL ACCEPTANCE.
AND, UH, THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD JUST TO BE CONFIRMED.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO A MOTION ON JUST THE QUALIFICATIONS.
THEN YEAH, THE, THAT'LL BE, UH, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBER OR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
SO DO I JUST READ THESE ALL OUT AND NO, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS RECORDED AND DOCUMENTED.
UH, SO I THINK YOU, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL SAY AS, AS PRESENTED IS OUR TYPICAL, UH, NOMENCLATURE FOR, UH, ACCEPTING THINGS THAT ARE BROADCASTED.
SO, AS PRESENTED, UH, AS MOTION FOR THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE LISTED BELOW HERE.
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION SO THAT WE CAN, UH, VOTE ON IT.
UH, THE MOTION PASSES SIX TO ZERO.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS THE PROCEDURES OF HOW WE WOULD ACCEPT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, ONCE THEY'VE BEEN QUALIFIED, HERE'S WHAT WE KIND OF EXPECT.
ONCE AGAIN, I USE THIRD PARTY, UH, JUST 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT NUMBER IN PLACE FOR IT.
UH, NOT IN THE SENSE OF THE 17TH CHAPTER 17 OF THE I B C THIRD PARTY.
UH, BUT THAT BEING SAID, THAT IS KIND OF OUR CLOSEST THING TO LOOK AT FOR THIS.
SO WE DID KIND OF USE THAT CHAPTER 17 REQUIREMENTS, UM, AS KIND OF A, AS A GUIDELINES FOR ACCEPTING THIS.
UM, SO THE APPROVAL OF THE INDIVIDUAL WILL BE AN INDIVIDUAL, SO A COMPANY.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE A COMPANY THAT GETS THIS, AND ANYBODY WITHIN THAT COMPANY COULD SIGN OFF ON IT.
SO IF YOU HAD MULTIPLE, UH, INDIVIDUALS
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AT THAT COMPANY THAT DO NEED ALL THESE QUALIFICATIONS, IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, THEY EACH WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND QUALIFIED BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.UH, THE APPROVED INDIVIDUALS REQUIRED TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY AND WOULD NEED TO REAPPLY EACH YEAR.
UH, SO THIS IS A WAY THAT WE CAN VERIFY ALL THE CREDENTIALS ARE STILL THERE.
UH, BOTH THE I C C AND, AND, UH, I O AS WELL AS, UM, THEIR STATE CERTIFICATIONS AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY REAPPLY EACH YEAR.
THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL WILL BE HIRED BY THE PROPERTY BUILDING OWNER AND NOT THE PLUMBING OR GENERAL CONTRACTOR PERFORM THEM WORK.
UH, THIS KIND OF STEMS FROM THE CHAPTER 17 STANDARD FOR A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR, UH, JUST TO ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERNS OF, UM, BIAS OR, UM, I APOLOGIZE.
I'M LOST MY, UM, TRAIN OF THOUGHT ON, ON THE WORD, BUT, UH, UM, NOT BIAS, UH, APOLOGIZE.
BUT MOSTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS JUST THAT, UM, THERE'S NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
UH, SO THE CONFLICT WOULD COME FROM, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEIR INSPECTION SIGNED OFF FOR AND IS PAYING FOR THAT, THAT SERVICE.
WE'D WANT THAT TO COME FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, IN THAT SENSE, THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL WILL PERFORM THE INSPECTION OBSERVATION PERSONALLY AND NOT THROUGH ANOTHER MEMBER FROM HIS OFFICE UNDER HIS SUPERVISION.
UH, SO THIS WOULD BE, THAT THAT SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL THAT'S BEEN CERTIFIED BY THE CITY WOULD BE ON SITE TO FORM THAT INSPECTION.
UH, THE INSPECTION WILL BE CLEARED BY A D S D, UH, ONCE A D S D LETTER FROM FORM OR FORM FILLED OUT AND SIGNED BY THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN RECEIVED AND REVIEWED.
UH, THE LETTER WILL BE CREATED BY D S T AND WILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED AS D S T CREATED.
IT WILL BE NOT BE RECOMMENDED TO LI SIMILAR TO, UH, ENGINEER'S LETTER.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THERE IS, IT'D BE A SET FORM SIMILAR TO A LOT OF, UM, FORMS THAT WE HAVE FOR SIMPLE CHANGE OUT TYPE PERMITS, LIKE A HOT WATER HEATER AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY DON'T REALLY REQUIRE AN INSPECTION.
WE CAN GET A, A SET FORM FILLED OUT BY, UH, THE, THE CERTIFIED INDIVIDUAL FROM THAT COMPANY.
THEY FILL IT OUT AS IS, SEND IT BACK TO US.
AND I CAN PULL THAT FORM UP AS A DRAFT, UH, TO REVIEW ROBERT STICKER.
I DO HAVE SOME, UH, UH, THINGS I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY ON THAT FORM, ONLY BECAUSE I THINK SOMEONE MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING.
BUT, BUT BEFORE I GET TO THAT FORM, UM, I CAN AGREE WITH MOST ALL THESE.
I, I HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH A FEW, UM, BUT I, BUT I, I THINK THIS IS DOABLE.
UM, IT'S NO BIG DEAL TO REAPPLY.
JUST A MATTER OF, I GUESS, WHAT SUBMITTING INFORMATION TO YOU EACH YEAR AS FAR AS REAPPLYING GOES.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO KIND OF CREATE AN APPLICATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF A STANDARD PROCESS.
SO ONCE WE BUILD THAT APPLICATION, UH, WE'LL HAVE THAT SET UP, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL STILL HAVE TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN STORE THIS DATA WITHIN OUR NEW, UH, ELLA SYSTEM.
UH, SO ALL THAT WILL BE SOME, YOU KNOW, BACK OF HOUSE STUFF THAT WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
BUT HOPEFULLY, YEAH, THERE'LL BE AN APPLICATION RE RESUBMITTED, DROPPED OFF, FAXED IN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ALLOWS US TO JUST GO BACK AND CHECK TO SAY, OKAY, YEAH, EVERYTHING'S GOOD.
UH, AND RE RECERTIFY THEM TO KIND OF PERFORM THIS, UM, THIS OR THESE INSPECTIONS.
ALRIGHT, I CAN WORK WITH THE REST.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS AND, AND I'M GONNA DROP DOWN TO THE PART WHERE IT SAYS, AND I'LL LET YOU BRING IT UP WHEREVER I CAN SEE IT.
UH, LEMME KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN SEE THAT THAT'S FROM LAST MEETING.
I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA BRING UP THE DRAFT DOCUMENT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL COMPANY'S LETTERHEAD? YEAH.
WHICH, UH, DOCUMENT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? THE INDIVIDUAL'S COMPANY LETTERHEAD? IT'S THE ONE THAT YOU EMAILED US.
IS THAT NOT THE DOCUMENT YOU'LL SEE? I'M SORRY.
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OKAY.OKAY, WELL I WANNA TALK ABOUT, FIRST IS THE, IS DOWN.
SCROLL DOWN TO WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE SEAL.
FIRST OF ALL, LEMME CLARIFY WHEN I MENTIONED THE SEAL BEFORE A MASTER PLUMBER GETS, CAN GET THE SEAL, NOT AN INSPECTOR.
SO YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE WORRYING.
IT SAYS YOU NOTED BY MY T S V P E MASTER LICENSE SEAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
AND THEN MY OBLIGATION AS A PLUMBING MASTER ON THE T S B BOARD RULES, THAT'S WHAT YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE THOSE TWO BECAUSE THE INSPECTOR CAN'T GET A SEAL.
SO IF YOU WANT THE SEAL, I'VE GOT MY MASTER PLUMBER SEAL.
'CAUSE I HAD TO GET IT BECAUSE OF THE FIRE SPRINKLER, UH, DEALS.
SO YOU JUST NEED TO CHANGE IT UP IN THE WORDING DOOR.
IT SAYS, AS DENOTED BY MY T S B MASTER LICENSE SEAL, CHANGE THAT INSPECTOR TO LICENSE, I MEAN TO MASTER.
AND THEN DOWN BELOW THAT, ON THE NEXT LINE WHERE IT SAYS MY OBLIGATION AS A PLUMBING MASTER, CHANGE THAT INSPECTOR TO MASTER.
SO THERE'S TWO PLACES THERE, YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE IT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT BE WHAT THE SEAL ACTUALLY IS.
UH, MR. RODIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THOSE? UH, OTHER THAN, UH, ROBERT IS CORRECT.
AFTER FLASH OF LICENSE SEAL, I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN THAT SEAL.
ROBERT, WHAT WOULD, UH, KEEP AN INSPECTOR CHANGE THAT A PERSON WHO HAS AN INSPECTOR'S LICENSE TO CREATE A SEAL WITH HIS LICENSE ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, IF THE BOARD, YOU'D HAVE TO GET, GO THROUGH THE BOARD BECAUSE THE APPROVAL FOR THE MAITE WAS THROUGH THE BOARD.
SO IT'D HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO AUTHORIZE AND PROVE AND PUT IN THEIR RULES.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S MASTER AND, AND THE ONLY OTHER O ONLY OTHER THINGS THAT I, I THINK SEE A CHANGE OR, OR SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE IS, IS IN TWO PLACES OR THREE PLACES I'LL AT THE TOP, WELL, FIRST OF ALL YOU HAVE THREE PLACES THAT, THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL I CAN PUT MY NAME IN THOSE.
SECOND ONE IS A SOMETIMES ONE, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS GONNA HAVE A, A TUNNEL THAT'S IN COMPLIANT WITH THE FIVE FOOT RULE.
SO THAT ONE WON'T BE FILLED OUT ALL THE TIME.
AND THEN AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I'M EITHER GONNA PUT MY NAME TO THE TOP ONE OR TO THE THIRD ONE, WHICH EVER APPLIES NOT TO ALL THREE.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE ALL THREE OF 'EM FILLED IN BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE TUNNEL DEPTH IS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT ON THE, THE THIRD ONE'S GOOD.
THE THIRD I BLANK PERFORM THE FIELD.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SECOND ONE.
THE FIRST ONE, THE ONLY TWO, THERE'S ONLY TWO SPOTS WHERE I THINK IT NEEDS, UH, UH, DEALS, AND I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE, IS I VISIT SITE TO OBSERVE AND CONFIRM.
I THINK THE WORD IN OBSERVE SHOULD BE THERE INSTEAD OF INSPECT.
AND THEN DOWN BELOW THE NEXT LINE, DOWN BELOW, RIGHT AFTER THE PARENTHESES, IT SAYS PLUMBING INSPECTION FOR CODE, IT SHOULD SAY PLUMBING INSTALLATION.
THAT SHOULD BE ACTUALLY INSTALLATION FOR CODE COMPLIANCE.
UM, AND THEN I GUESS I DO HAVE A ONE ON THE THIRD, ONE THIRD LINE OR THIRD OPTION WHERE IT SAYS THE FIELD OF OBSERVATION.
I PERFORMED THE FIELD OBSERVATION SHOULD STRIKE THE WORD INSPECTIONS AND JUST SAY, I, I I PERFORMED THE FIELD OBSERVATION TO VERIFY THE CO COMPLIANCE.
SO THOSE ARE ONLY SUGGESTED CHANGES I WOULD HAVE.
UM, TO THE OTHER PARTS IS, IS CHANGE THOSE TO OBSERVE.
UM, DAVID ROADING ONCE AGAIN, I'LL KIND OF FALL BACK TO YOU.
I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE YOUR FORM THAT WE ARE OPEN UP TO CREATE THIS WHOLE SCENARIO IS, IS IS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE INDIVIDUAL TO HAVE A PLUMBING INSPECTOR'S LICENSE.
WE WANT 'EM TO HAVE THE CERTIFICATIONS.
WE WANT 'EM AT THAT SKILL LEVEL.
WE WANT THE INDIVIDUAL TO PERFORM AN INSPECTION IN LIEU OF US PERFORMING IT.
WE DON'T WANT 'EM, YOU KNOW, TO PERFORM AN OBSERVATION.
OTHERWISE WE WOULD GO INSPECT IT.
SO ON THE FIRST ONE, WE'LL LEAVE VISIT TO SITE, INSPECT AND CONFIRM THE TUNNEL.
UM, WELL I I STILL THINK THE SECOND PART IS INCORRECT THOUGH.
IT SAYS IT SHOULD SAY INSTALLATION.
I THINK THAT SOMEONE TYPO THERE WHERE IT SAYS
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RIGHT AFTER PARENTHESES SAYS PLUMBING INSPECTION FOR CODE COMPLIANCE.YOU, YOU'RE INSPECTING THE PLUMBING INSTALLATION FOR CODE COMPLIANCE.
WELL, OKAY, NOW, I GUESS, SO WHAT YOU'LL SAY IS, UH, I VISITED THE SITE TO INSPECT AND CONFIRM THE TUNNEL PLUMBING REPAIRS AND PLUMBING INSTALLATION.
UH, DAVID, CAN YOU CONFIRM IS THAT, IS PLUMBING REPLACEMENT INSTALLATION? I WOULD CONFIRM INSTALLATION, LIKE TO INSPECT AND CONFIRM THE TUNNEL PLUMBING REPAIRS, PLUMBING TUNNEL, PLUMBING INSPECTION, PLUMBING, CONFIRM THE PLUMBING TO CONFIRM THAT TUNNEL PLUMBING INSTALLATION FOR YEAH, INSTALLATION WORKS CO COMPLIANCE.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, SO AS YOU'RE KINDA SAYING CORRECT, YOU WON'T ALWAYS SIGN OFF ON THIS SECOND ONE.
ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS WILL MEAN IS IF YOU DO NOT SIGN OFF ON THE SECOND LINE ITEM, THEN THE PERMIT WILL NOT BE CLOSED OUT ON OUR END.
AFTER THIS REVIEW, IT WILL TRIGGER REQUIREMENTS THAT THE, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WOULD HAVE TO ISSUE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S LETTER TO CLEAR, CLEAR, CLOSE OFF THAT PERMIT.
AND THEN TO CLARIFY, AS A, AS THE INSPECTOR OR WHATEVER, I WOULD EITHER BE FILLING IN MY NAME ON THE FIRST ONE OR THE THIRD ONE, DEPENDING.
UH, DAVID, CAN YOU KIND OF ELABORATE ON WELL, I, I BELIEVE YOUR NAME WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE FIRST AND THIRD ONE.
UH, THE SECOND ONE, IF YOUR NAME ISN'T THERE, THEN WE'D, UH, WE'D, UH, ISSUE THEM A PARTIAL SO TO SPEAK, AND REQUIRE THEM TO GET THAT STRUCTURAL LETTER.
BUT NO, I THINK, UH, MR. STRUCKER, YEAH, IT IS SIMILAR TERMS TO WHAT WE HAVE KIND OF WITH THE, UH, ENGINEER'S LETTER TEMPLATE.
UH, YOU KNOW, ONE WAS LIKE I WAS OUT THERE AND DOING IT, AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS CERTIFYING THAT IT MEETS ALL THE CODES AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE ONE I WAS OUT THERE, IT'S MORE OF A CON CONFIRMATION THAT I WAS THE ONE DOING IT.
AND THEN THE SECOND OR THE, THE THIRD ONE IS A CONFIRMATION THAT ING WE HAVE NO ISSUES.
UH, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM, UH, CITIZENS OR THE COMMITTEE? UH, I CAN ALSO PULL BACK UP THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR PROCEDURES AS WELL.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD AND DO A MOTION ON THIS ONE.
GEORGE, YOU GOOD WITH THIS? LET ME, UH, PULL BACK UP THE, UH, I'LL PULL UP THE PROCEDURES ONE MORE TIME.
I KNOW WE KIND OF RAN THROUGH THOSE REAL FAST.
THIS IS GEORGE SLIVA, UH, SPENCER, I'M STILL, I'M TOSSING THIS, UH, NUMBER THREE BACK AND FORTH AGAIN, THIS IS TO MAKE SURE OR CONVINCE THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS NOT TRYING TO USE SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT YET THIS PERSON THAT WE'RE GONNA CALL BEING ROBERT OR SOMEBODY ELSE IS STILL AN INSPECTOR REPRESENTING THE CITY.
I CAN, CAN YOU GO BACK ON NUMBER THREE AND GIMME THE CITY'S IDEAS BEHIND THAT? OR DAVID, IF, IF, IF, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEHIND THIS NUMBER THREE.
SO, UH, THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL WILL BE HIRED BY THE PROPERTY BUILDING OWNER, NOT THE PLUMBING OR GENERAL CONTRACTOR PERFORMING THE WORK.
SO THIS IS, UM, KIND OF COMING STRICTLY FROM TOUCHER 17 OF THE I B C WHERE WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S THIS CLOSEST RESEMBLANCE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, MIMIC HERE THROUGH THIS, UM, PROCEDURE.
AND THAT'S HAVING TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S, UH, NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST, UM, WOULD BE THAT THE PAYMENT IS COMING FROM THE HOMEOWNER TO THE PERSON INSPECTING, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY YOU'RE INSPECTING THE WORK OF THE CONTRACTOR, UH, THIS INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PERSON THAT'S HIRING OUT THIS, UH, THIRD PARTY ISN'T HIRING THEM TO INSPECT THEIR OWN STUFF.
UH, SO SIMILAR TO A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR ON A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, THEY'RE ALWAYS HIRED BY THE OWNER, UH, TO BE OVER TO OVERSEE THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, COMPLETED BY THE CONTRACTORS.
UH, GEORGE SLE AGAIN, QUESTION THEN, THEN IF, IF WE AS PLUMBING CONTRACTORS DOING TUNNEL WORK, IF WE CALL A SPECIFIC ENGINEER, WOULD, WOULD THAT NOT BE BASICALLY THE SAME THING? I MEAN, UH, NOT THAT I HAVE
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A PROBLEM IN PAYING OR NOT PAYING, IT'S USUALLY THE HOMEOWNERS EXPECT US TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING AND DEAL WITH IT AND GET IT BEHIND HIM.I MEAN, I, I WOULD, WHEN I CALL THE ENGINEER, I PAY HIM DIRECTLY, BUT WE'RE ASKING THE HOMEOWNER TO CALL THIS IN THIRD PARTY PLUMBING INSPECTOR AND PAY THEM DIRECTLY.
SO I'M, I'M JUST THINKING OF IT FROM MY PRESENTATION TO MY CUSTOMER.
MY CUSTOMER EXPECTS US TO TAKE CARE OF IT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THEY DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM.
SO IF, IF THIS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IN LEAVING IT, I HAVE A, JUST A PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING IT.
I GUESS IT'S SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO, ONCE YOU, YOU TAKE ON A JOB, YOU'D ALMOST HAVE TO WRITE SOME TYPE OF LETTER TO THE HOMEOWNER THAT THEY SIGN OFF THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY HIRING THAT PERSON.
BUT YOU WOULD STILL DO ALL THE, DO EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
SO, BUT YET I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I CAN CALL THE ENGINEER AND HAVE THEM INSPECT MY PLUMBING AND AND PAY HIM TOO.
I HAD THE ROBERT TRICER, I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS.
I DIDN'T VOICE IT AT THE TIME WHEN WE WENT THROUGH 'EM A WHILE AGO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I I I KIND OF UNDER THINK, I KNOW WHERE YOU MAY BE GOING WITH THIS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LEGALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DICTATE TO A, A BUSINESS OWNER WHO HE CONTRACTS WITH
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU MAY BE DOING THIS.
YOU'RE GONNA USE THIS PERSON IF YOU'RE, IF THEY'RE ACCEPTING YOUR SERVICES.
I WOULD THINK I GOT A POINT OF INFORMATION.
JEREMY, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE ONLINE AND HOW MANY DO YOU NEED FOR QUORUM? 'CAUSE I NEED TO GET OFF FOR A 3:00 PM MEETING.
UM, I SEE ROBERT JONES IS STILL ON AND JACK UP MORE, BUT I LOST VIDEO FOR BOTH OF 'EM.
I JUST DON'T HAVE VIDEO FOR ROBERT AND JACK.
SO, SO WE'RE STILL GOOD ON, UH, QUORUM.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU DID BECAUSE I HAD A, YEAH, I HAVE A THREE O'CLOCK MEETING.
UH, GO AND CONTINUE ON THEN AND YOU CAN SHOW ME AS, UH, I GUESS BEING THE MEETING AT 2 56.
CHRIS, DO YOU NEED VIDEO FROM ME, JEREMY? UH, IF YOU'RE GONNA VOTE, YES, SIR.
UM, KIND OF TO FOLLOW UP ON THE REQUIREMENT, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF A NEW PROCEDURE THAT THE CITY'S LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO, UH, CREATE.
UH, THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF FAILED BACK TO THE CHAPTER 17 THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR.
LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS IS TRULY A THIRD PARTY INSPECTION, BUT WE DO WANNA TRY TO FILE BACK TO ANY TYPE OF CODE THAT'S ADOPTED, ALLOWS US, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WHERE DID YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION FROM? UH, WE MADE IT BECAUSE OF, OF THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THE CODE AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BASING IT OFF OF CHAPTER 17.
YOU KNOW, ANYTIME SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S ALL ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND ON THE ENGINEER SIDE.
UH, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THOSE, THOSE ARE HEAVILY, UH, THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR ENGINEERS AND EVERYTHING'S ALL STATE REQUIRED.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE KIND OF ALLOW THEM TO KIND OF DICTATE THOSE THINGS TO US A LITTLE BIT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LOT OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M NOT TOO WELL INVOLVED WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A STATE, UH, MASTER PLUMBING, UH, LICENSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, I DO JUST KNOW ON THE ENGINEER SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE KIND OF THE CEUS AND ETHICS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR.
UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, IT REALLY, THE, THE REASONING BEHIND THAT REQUIREMENT IS JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME CODE BASIS, UH, FOR ALLOWING THIS.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF REFERENCE CHAPTER 17.
JEREMY, THIS IS ROBERT TRICER.
THE, THE PLUMBING LICENSE LAW ALSO HAS CODE OF ETHICS AND, AND, AND HEAVILY REGULATED.
'CAUSE TO ME IT WAS LIKE, H HOW CAN A CITY DICTATE WHO HIRES WHO? I MEAN, IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT FOR THE CITY.
NOW, IT COULD BE A, A, A SOMETHING, A LICENSING AGENCY, WHETHER IT BE ENGINEER OR WHOEVER HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT.
BUT SINCE GEORGE BROUGHT IT UP, I MEAN, HOW IS IT OKAY TO HIM HIRE THAT ENGINEER, BUT YOU CAN'T HIRE ME.
'CAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS ETHICS.
YOU, YOU SAID THE KEY WORD ETHICS OR ETHICS AND, AND THE PLUMBING LIFE LAW HAS ETHICS BUILT INTO IT AS WELL.
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LIABILITY, ANYBODY, IN MY OPINION, THAT WOULD, UH, TAKE SOMEONE'S MONEY AND JUST GIVE THEM, GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT, IS AN IDIOT.BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO'S GONNA BE SUED? IT'S GONNA BE THAT INDIVIDUAL.
SO MY INTEGRITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN TOP PRIORITY WITH ME.
AND, AND, AND I CAN, I'LL STAND ON THAT TILL THE DAY I DIE.
AND I THINK ANYBODY IN THIS INDUSTRY HAS KNOWN ME FOR THE PAST 30 SOMETHING YEARS OR MORE, KNOWS MY INTEGRITY IS IMPORTANT TO ME.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS THERE BEING ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE A CONCERN.
BUT, BUT HOW DO YOU BALANCE THIS OUT? BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL A CONTRACTOR WHO CAN HIRE WHO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT LEGAL STANDING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL THAT ENGINEER WHO CAN HIRE HIM OR WHO CAN'T JUST ANY MORE THAN YOU CAN TELL A PLUMBING COMPANY WHAT COMPANY HE CAN DO PLUMBING WORK FOR OR NOT DO PLUMBING WORK FOR.
SO THAT'S WHERE I HAD A CONCERN WITH IT.
AND SINCE GEORGE BROUGHT IT UP, I'M PUTTING MY 2 CENTS WHEN IN THERE, UM, QUALIFICATIONS AND ETH ETHICS STILL COME INTO PLAY AND THERE'S GONNA BE CERTAIN FINE LINE RIGHT THERE.
I, I CAN ASSURE YOU, UH, I, I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE OUR LAWYER, UH, JOSEPH HORNEY AVAILABLE IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK INTO THE LEGALITY.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, THE, THE REQUIREMENT DOES FALL UNDER THE CHAPTER 17 OF THE I B C THAT'S ADOPTED, UH, FOR THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR.
SO IT IS KIND OF BUILT INTO THE CODES ON, ON THAT REQUIREMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE DO RECEIVE, UH, CERTIFICATION FROM THAT ON THE, ON THE FRONT END TO THE PLAN REVIEW SIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ARCHITECT, THESE ARE THE REQUIRED INSPECTIONS, AND THEN WE SEE RECEIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT THOSE COMPANIES THAT ARE HIRED TO PERFORM THOSE THIRD PARTY INSPECTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE ARCHITECT OR THE ART CLERK, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT ARE HIRED OUT THROUGH, UM, THE, THE OWNERS OR OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE AND NOT THE THE CONTRACTOR OR THE DESIGN TEAMS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
DOES THE ROBERT TRICER, DOES THE ENGINEER FALL UNDER CHAPTER ONE, SECTION 1 0 4 AS AN INDIVIDUAL, OR DO THEY FALL UNDER CHAPTER 17? UM, REAL QUICK FOR CLARIFICATION, I KNOW YOU BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER.
WE ACTUALLY DON'T ADOPT CHAPTER, CHAPTER ONE JUST FOR PURE CLARIFICATION.
WHAT WE HAVE AS SECTION 10 DASH FIVE OF CHAPTER 10, IT DOES READ THE SAME THING.
SO YES, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS ALLOWED TO, UH, RECEIVE, UH, REPORTS OF INSPECTION BY APPROVED AGENCIES OR INDIVIDUALS.
SO IT DOES FALL UNDER THAT, UH, THE, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SHOULD BE FALLING UNDER AS WELL, SINCE YOU USED THEM.
THEN THIS SHOULD BE FALLING UNDER THAT CRITERIA.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT I'VE BEEN MAKING FROM DAY ONE, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
AND IF YOU GO BY THAT, THEN ITEM NUMBER THREE THAT GEORGE BROUGHT UP SHOULD BE REMOVED.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I'LL, I'LL DEFAULT TO, TO THE COMMITTEE ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH ALL OF THESE OR, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AS WELL.
GEORGE, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, ON THE, THE APPROVAL OF THE INDIVIDUAL HIRED BY THE PROPERTY OR BUILDING OWNER, IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE WHENEVER YOU GO OUT AND BID ONE OF THESE JOBS WITH THE HOMEOWNER, THAT YOU LET 'EM KNOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING A THIRD PARTY INSPECTION IN, THEY GOTTA PAY FOR THAT SEPARATELY ON THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE CUTTING TWO CHECKS ON THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, UH, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT YOU COULD WORD IT THAT THAT'S PROTECTION FOR THEM, THAT IT'S A THIRD PARTY INTEREST, SO IT'S NOT BEING DONE THROUGH YOU THERE? WELL, YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT.
I MEAN, I, I COULD HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, YAHOO ENGINEER THAT SAYS HE KNOWS PLUMBING AND STILL MAKE A MESS.
AND HE AND I WOULD STILL BE LIABLE BEING THAT I HIRED HIM.
WELL, IT, IT'S ONLY THE INCONVENIENCE AND JUST THE DIFFERENCE IN PRESENTATION THAT, THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.
WE JUST HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THE CITY DOESN'T DO THEIR, THESE TYPE OF INSPECTIONS AND THERE'S ONE INDIVIDUAL
I WOULD SEE ALSO, IF I HAVE ROBERT STRICKER AS A CONSULTANT AND I'M PAYING HIM YEAR YEARLY AS A CONSULTANT, THEN WE MIGHT HAVE THESE ISSUES LEGALLY IF
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I ALSO HIRED TO DO INSPECTIONS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PLAY OUT.I MEAN, I, I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH IT BECAUSE I'M ALLOWED TO HIRE AN ENGINEER.
UH, BUT YET I CAN'T HIRE THE PLUMBING INSPECTION.
BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN LEAVING IT.
IT'S ALL IT IS IS JUST CHANGING OUR PRESENTATION TO THE CUSTOMER.
WELL, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WHENEVER THEY HIRE YOUR SERVICES, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE ALSO GETTING ROBERTS' SERVICES IN THERE AND AT THAT POINT YOU HAVE 'EM SIGN SOME KIND OF DOCUMENT FOR THAT AND JUST SAY, WHENEVER IT COMES TIME TO DO THE INSPECTION, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT A SEPARATE TECH CHECK.
I THINK IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE PAPERWORK ON THAT SIDE OF IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING, WELL, WELL, IT'S JUST AS EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S JUST A CHANGE.
JUST AS MUCH AS I FIGHT OR I FOUGHT AGAINST THE ENGINEERS DOING THE INSPECTIONS AND HAVING TO FIND ENGINEERS AND EVERYTHING AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT AND TELLING THE CUSTOMER IT'S GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE ENGINEERING FEES, IT, IT WAS ALL ACCEPTED.
IT WASN'T THERE AS HARD AS IT AS I ANTICIPATED IN PRESENTATIONS.
TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE THE WORDING OF, YOU KNOW, IN A WAY YOU ARE HIRING THIS PERSON, SO THAT'S GONNA BE HARD TO GET OUT OF UNLESS YOU, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, GEORGE, OF HOW TO REWRITE IT.
I, I DON'T, WHAT I'M SAYING ON YOUR SIDE OF IT, GEORGE, IS IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF AN INCONVENIENCE, BUT YOU ALMOST SELL IT A DUAL SERVICE.
LIKE YOU'RE ALSO, YOU'RE GONNA BE HIRING ME TO DO YOUR TUNNELING AND YOU'RE GONNA BE HIRING THIS PERSON TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ACTUAL INSPECTION AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, I MEAN, I, YOU BUNDLE IT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A LITTLE BUNDLE DEAL, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT ON YOUR SIDE OF IT.
BUT YEAH, UNLESS YOU CAN FIND, I MEAN, I MEAN NO, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU HAVE A WAY TO GET AROUND THAT AS FAR AS THE WAY WE CAN WORD THAT.
I WAS JUST READING IT, SPENCER, AND I JUST, UH, I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME IN PRESENTATION AND TRYING TO MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THE CUSTOMER.
AGAIN, WHEN THEY PUT THE ENGINEERING I'M GEORGE, I UNDERSTAND.
AND AGAIN, WHEN THEY ADDED THE ENGINEERING REQUIREMENT, I FOUGHT IT AT FIRST, BUT NOW THAT I SEE THE VALUE, ONCE I BACK OUT OF THOSE TUNNELS, THEY CAN'T BLAME ME FOR THEIR HOUSE SETTLEMENT OR MOVING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, IT, IT'S JUST THE CHANGE AND I'M OLD AND I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT MIGHT
WE'RE ALL, YEAH, I FEEL IT TOO.
BUT YOU KNOW, THIS MIGHT BE PROTECTION ON YOUR SIDE OF IT TOO, THAT YOU DIDN'T HIRE THAT PERSON, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING DID, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S GONNA GO THERE.
HOPEFULLY IT NEVER GOES THERE, BUT IF IT DOES GO THERE, YEAH, NO, AND I AGREE THAT'S A LITTLE EXTRA SECURITY THERE.
AND WRITE IT AS A RECOMMENDATION.
YOU KNOW, THE CITY, WHENEVER WE DO ALL OF OUR SAWS WHERE THEY GOTTA GO AND CUT INTO THE ROADS, I DON'T HAVE THE INSURANCE TO DO THAT.
AND SO THEY HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT ARE RECOMMENDED, RIGHT? THE BUILDERS WILL CALL ME AND I'VE GIVEN THEM MY RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT YOU CAN ALSO PRINT THE ONE OFF OF THE, THE WEBSITE FROM THE CITY THERE THAT GIVES THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND AT THIS POINT, ONCE THIS GETS APPROVED THROUGH, THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE ONE NAME ON THAT LIST ON IT.
SO INITIALLY, INITIALLY, MAYBE FOREVER,
WELL, AGAIN, I MEAN, I COULD SEE ROBERT'S, UH, CONCERN WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR ENGINEERS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR.
SO MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEYS NEED TO LOOK BACK AT THEIR REQUIREMENT, OR MAYBE WE NEED TO BE TELLING PEOPLE THEY HAVE TO FIND THEIR OWN ENGINEERS
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M GOOD WITH IT IF WE WANNA LEAVE IT IN THERE.
WELL, GEORGE, WE GOT THE POWER OF YOU TO TAKE IT OUT.
IF, UM, I, WELL, I, I DON'T SEE TAKING IT OUT.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I FEEL WOULD BE BETTER FOR, FOR THE WHOLE INDUSTRY.
IT'S JUST PRESENTATION, SIDING, SIDING, AND THEY ALREADY HAVE SIDING ON IT.
BUT, UH, UH, I, I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK THEY WANT US TO WAIT, I, I WOULD JUST PUT IN FRONT OF THE YEAH.
CITY ATTORNEYS AND LET THEM DECIDE THAT
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IT'S AN EQUAL.YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE SAWS, INSPECTIONS.
HE'LL GET HIS NAME ON THE LIST, ON THE, THE WEBSITE AND YEP.
FOR THE TIME BEING, HIS LIST IS GONNA BE VERY SHORT.
FEW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA BE THE ONLY ON THERE, SO IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA GET, OKAY.
SO I'M ALL, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
OKAY, JEREMY, I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? UH, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO DO A, UH, VOTE ON THIS ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS PRESENTED, UH, THIS WOULD INCLUDE, UH, THE LETTER.
SO I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION FOR THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL COMPANY'S LETTERHEAD AND THEN ALSO FOR THE PROCEDURES.
DO I GET A SECOND THIS, GEORGE? I'LL SECOND.
UM, LOOKS LIKE WE'VE KINDA LOST JACK.
UM, CAN YOU, UH, STILL MISSING THE VIDEO ON YOU, JACK, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? UH, NO, I HEAR YOU JACK.
I HAVE, YEAH, LOOK AT YOUR VIDEO BACK.
UM, SO CHRIS IS, HAS LEFT AS OF, UH, 2 56.
UH, I'M SORRY, GEORGE, YOUR AUDIO IS OFF MUTED? YES.
THAT CONCLUDES ALL OUR AGENDA ITEMS FOR THIS COMMITTEE MEMBER, UH, MEETING.
UH, I KNOW WE RAN A LITTLE BIT LONG.
I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE, UH, THE TIME OF ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, AND MR. STRYKER AS WELL.
UH, I THINK THOSE WAS SOME VERY GOOD CONVERSATIONS.
THAT DOES A GREAT WAY TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, ULTIMATELY THIS STILL NEEDS TO GO BEFORE THE FULL BOARD, UH, AFTER STAYING WITH MY, UH, OUR ATTORNEY ON THE PROCEDURES.
UH, SO THE COMMITTEE ISN'T, UH, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT A PROCEDURAL THING.
UH, SO I WILL WORK TO, UH, GET A MEETING SCHEDULED WITH THE FULL BOARD.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS TO ADDRESS, BUT HOPEFULLY, UH, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS AT THAT NEXT MEETING.
BUT WE'LL PROBABLY DO THAT, UH, RIGHT AFTER THE, THE NEW YEAR.
SO I'LL BE WORKING TO GET SOMETHING SCHEDULED FOR THAT.
AND WE'LL PRESENT THESE ITEMS, UH, AS PER APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE TO THE FULL BOARD.
AND FROM THERE WE WILL AMEND THE INFORMATION BULLETIN 1 76, UH, TO REFLECT THESE CHANGES AND ALLOW FOR THIS, UH, THIRD PARTY INSPECTION PROCESS.
I CALL IT THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL
APPROVED INDIVIDUAL, CORRECT? YES.
I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY'S WORK ON.
WELL THEN, UM, I GUESS IF YOU WANT TO CALL US, UH, TO AN END CHAIR.
I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO CHAIRMAN.
Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR WEEK.