* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY AT OUR PLANNING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING. UH, IT IS TWO O'CLOCK A FEW MINUTES AFTER AND WE WILL BEGIN OUR MEETING WITH A ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER TRIVINIA HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLA, BRO. RON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. HERE. COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDGE HERE. AND CHAIR GONZALEZ HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, CAN I, UH, I THINK WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, [1. 20-7290 Approval of the minutes from the November 09, 2020 Planning and Land Development Committee Meeting.] SO WE WILL START WITH APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 9TH COMMITTEE MEETING. MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER TINO SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. UH, SO THANK YOU. WE, UH, WE DO HAVE QUITE A LONG AGENDA TODAY, SO WE'RE GONNA [Consent Agenda] TAKE ONE ITEM ON CONSENT, UH, AND THEN ONE ITEM TOGETHER. SO THE ITEM, UH, ON CONSENT, UM, IS A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION FOR D FOR L D G DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. UM, COULD I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS ON CONSENT? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AN ITEM. UH, ITEM OF NO, UH, I'M SORRY. AN ITEM, ITEM NUMBER TWO. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO, SAME SIGN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOTION CARRIES. SO WE [3. 20-6956 Briefing on the process and timeline for a Charter amendment to align with the 2022-2027 Housing Bond. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, FAICP, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services]] WILL, UM, MOVE ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, AND UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A BRIEF BRIEFING ON THE PROCESS AND TIMELINE FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO ALIGN WITH THE 2227 HOUSING BOND. AND, UM, WE WILL HAVE, UH, I DON'T KNOW, LORI, ARE YOU GONNA GIVE US A PRESENTATION? COUNCILWOMAN? UM, I HAVE ANDY SEGOVIA, CAMILLA, UM, KUNOW, AND, UM, JAMIE LOLLY HERE TO DO THE PRESENTATION. UM, I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO, UM, I BELIEVE I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO CAM, IS THAT CORRECT? AND, UM, CAM'S GONNA OPEN UP AND THEN PASS IT ON TO JAMIE. OKAY. THANK YOU, UM, VERY MUCH. AND I'LL TURN IT ON OVER. Y'ALL CAN GET STARTED, ACTUALLY. COUNCIL, WE WE'RE, UH, CAM'S GONNA START THEN SOME, UH, JAME'S GONNA, UH, FROM OUR OFFICE, UH, FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT OVER. SO THERE'LL BE A, THERE'LL BE A, A NUMBER OF US INVOLVED IN THE PRESENTATION, SO, WE'LL, WE WILL START THOUGH WITH CAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? OKAY? GREAT. YES, I CAN HEAR YOU. UM, THE OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE, UM, HOUSING NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES STAFF TO COME UP WITH A TIMELINE TO ORDER A CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION. IF WE CAN GET THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, WELL, LET'S GO TO SLIDE THREE REAL QUICK. UM, OR IS IT FIVE, WHICH IS THE ONE WITH THE TIMELINE? I'M SORRY, SHOULD HAVE ORDERED IT. SO WE HAVE A FEBRUARY 3RD DATE TO POST THE AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 11TH, WHICH IS THE DATE THAT WE HAVE THE DEADLINE TO ORDER THE CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION BY STATUTE. SO WE ARE GONNA TRY TO HAVE THE FINAL BALLOT LANGUAGE BY FEBRUARY 3RD. WE BELIEVE WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION IN 2018, UM, HALTED BY THE ORDERING OF THE LAST CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION IN 2018. SO THE NOTICE OF THE ELECTION WILL BE POSTED APRIL 11TH, AND THE ELECTION WILL BE MAY 1ST. WE DON'T HAVE A LONG TIME, BUT WE THINK THE TIMELINE IS FINE AS FAR AS URGENCY FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UM, AMPLE RESEARCH AND PROPOSALS FOR YOU. AND IF WE CAN GO BACK TO SLIDE TWO, JAMIE CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY WE THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. THANK YOU CAM AND THANK YOU COMMITTEE FOR HEARING US ABOUT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT. THE, UH, CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT BOND PROGRAM HAS BEEN A SUCCESS. WE HAVE CREATED OVER 512 NEW UNITS WITH AN R F P AND SOLICITATION RIGHT NOW THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING TO COUNCIL [00:05:01] IN FEBRUARY. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROGRESS THAT WE HAVE MADE, BUT WE HAVE, UH, RUN INTO A FEW CHALLENGES, AND IT WOULD BE A MUCH SMOOTHER AND EASIER PROCESS GOING FORWARD IF WE MENDED THE CHARTER, ALLOWING US TO GIVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE BOND, HOW WE USE THE FUNDS, AND NOT HAVING TO RELY ON THE URBAN RENEWAL AGENCY OR AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT THE BOND PROGRAM. UM, SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES, I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT THERE, THERE'S SOME LISTED THERE, BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE AN ADOPTED URBAN RENEWAL PLAN IN ORDER TO USE THE FUNDING FOR, UH, ADDRESSING BLIGHT AND SLUM CRITERIA. WE'RE LIMITED TO ONLY DOING SITE READINESS ACTIVITIES SUCH AS HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE BRINGING UTILITIES TO THE SITE, UH, DEMOLITION, UH, LANDSCAPING AND THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES. SO IT'S VERY LIMITED WHAT OUR FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR. UM, SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO, UM, HOME RENOVATIONS FOR CURRENT HOMEOWNERS. WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DO DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, UM, AND OTHER TYPES INITIATIVES THAT I WOULD EXPECT THE COUNCIL TO LIKE TO SEE IN OUR NEXT BOND ISSUANCE. UM, THE URBAN RENEWAL PLAN, WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE WITH HOME OWNERSHIP THAT MADE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO DO HOME OWNERSHIP. AND WE HAVE STEERED AWAY FROM DOING HOME OWNERSHIP BECAUSE IT REQUIRES, THROUGH THE URBAN RURAL PLAN, A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, HOME FOR HOME OWNERSHIP TO BE SOLD TO AN INDIVIDUAL AT 80% A M I OR BELOW AND A 30 YEAR RESTRICTIVE COVENANT ON THAT PROPERTY, WHICH MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR OUR HOME BUILDERS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, FIND QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND A MORTGAGE COMPANY THAT WOULD ABIDE AND, UM, ADHERE TO THOSE TERMS. SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO HOME OWNERSHIP IN THE SINGLE FAMILY REALM, UH, BECAUSE OF THESE, UH, THE URBAN RURAL PLAN AND THIS REQUIREMENT. AND, UM, THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT COSTS, UM, ARE CONSIDERED IN INELIGIBLE, UH, UNTIL COUNCIL APPROVES THE PROJECT. SO WE ARE HAVING TO COVER OUR COSTS WITH ANY SALES OR PROCEEDS THAT WE RECEIVE IN. SO ANY OF THOSE, UM, SITES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OR EXPLORING HAVE BEEN DEEMED INELIGIBLE. SO, UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF PROGRAM CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE RE WE'VE RUN INTO, UM, USING THE URBAN RENEWAL AGENCY TO IMPLEMENT THE BOND PROGRAM. BUT NO MATTER WHAT WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PUT 500 PLUS UNITS ON THE GROUND AND IN THEY'RE IN CONSTRUCTION. AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE URBAN RENEWAL PLAN USING THE URBAN RENEWAL AGENCY. AND THE URBAN RENEWAL AGENCY HAS BEEN A, A WONDERFUL PARTNER, AND THEIR BOARD HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH. CAM, YOU ARE ON MUTE. CAM, YOU'RE MUTED. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I EVEN KNEW I WAS MUTED. MAYBE YOU ALL PREFER ME MUTED. , UM, , SORRY. THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU DON'T MIND. WE'LL HAVE THE CHARTER, THE CURRENT CHARTER LANGUAGE, AND IT LIMITS US TO RENOVATE, IMPROVE REPAIR PUBLIC WORKS FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES LIKE HOUSING TO BE PERMITTED BY THIS CHARTER PROVISION. SECTION 98. RIGHT NOW, HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES AREN'T PUBLIC WORK. SO NEXT SLIDE. THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS, UH, DRAFTED WITH ASSISTANCE FROM OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND THE 2018 CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT WE INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT, ACQUIRE, EQUIP, RENOVATE, IMPROVE AND REPAIR PUBLIC WORKS FOR PERMANENT PUBLIC PURPOSES, OR ANY OTHER PUBLIC PURPOSE. AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US, UH, EXPANDING US TO PUBLIC WORKS, BROADEN A LANGUAGE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE HOUSING PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE CONTEMPLATED. UM, THE PUBLIC FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE DONALD GONZALEZ, AND HE BROUGHT IN A GREAT, UM, BIT OF EXPERTISE WITH PUBLIC FINANCING. PATTY RALE, FORMER COUNCILWOMAN MARK, DR. WHO USED TO WORK WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IN PUBLIC FINANCE, DR. CHARLES CATRELL, PRESIDENT EMERITUS OF ST. MARY'S UNIVERSITY, AND DR. GLORIA RODRIGUEZ, WHO IS, UM, VERY INVOLVED IN, UM, THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY. NEXT SLIDE. AND SO THIS IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. IF, UM, WE'VE DONE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT TIMELINE, THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK MAYBE JAMIE WANTS TO GO INTO. SURE. SO THIS IS THE OVERALL 22 20 22 20 27 BOND PROGRAM TIMELINE. UM, I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS TIMELINE IS ACCURATE, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS STILL TENTATIVE AND NOT FINALIZED, BUT, UM, BETWEEN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY THEY'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SCOPES OF PROJECTS, UH, SELECT [00:10:01] CONSULTANTS, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT STAFF IS GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING. AND THEN, UM, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT WILL LOOK AT THE BONDING CAPACITY AND MAKE SURE, AND, UM, IDENTIFY HOW MUCH BONDING CAPACITY THE CITY DOES HAVE, AND THAT WILL DETERMINE THE VALUE OF THE BOND, UM, ISSUANCE FOR 2022 FOR THE VOTERS TO CONSIDER. UH, BY JULY, WE'LL HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, SO BETWEEN JULY AND OCTOBER, WE'LL BE FINALIZING THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL AND, UM, AND ALL OF OUR LEADERSHIP TO FINALIZE THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN OCTOBER TO DECEMBER, WE'LL START WITH THE COMMUNITY COMMITTEE, UH, PROCESS, WHERE WE'LL HAVE THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS APPOINTED FOR EACH PROPOSITION. AND THEN WE'LL HOLD THOSE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS. AND SO IN THE PAST, WE'VE HELD FOR ONE OCTOBER, ONE, NOVEMBER ONE DECEM, OH, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, AND DECEMBER ARE THE TYPICAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WE HOLD. UM, AND THEN THOSE COMMUNITY RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IN JANUARY, 2022. SO ANY MODIFICATIONS TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY WANNA MAKE, THOSE WILL BE INCORPORATED. AND THEN THOSE PROJECTS AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL WILL THEN REVIEW THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS, WORKING WITH STAFF ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN ADOPT THE PROJECTS TO MOVE FORWARD. AND THEN WE'LL ORDER THE ELECTION IN FEBRUARY, AND THEN THE VOTE IN MAY OF 2022. SO THAT'S THE BOND TIMELINE. NEXT SLIDE. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND PROGRAMS ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, I DID THINK THAT THIS WAS IMPORTANT FOR YOU ALL TO SEE, UH, ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. SO THESE ARE ALL THE BOND PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS. UM, PLEASE KNOW THAT THE LARGER BOND PROGRAMS HAVE A 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME FOR IMPLEMENTATION, AND MOST OF THOSE ARE FOCUSED ON HOMELESS, HOMELESS, HOMELESS SERVICES. SO, UM, LA IS ALL HOMELESS SERVICES. SANTA CLARA COUNTY IS FOCUSED, UH, PRIMARILY ON HOMELESS SERVICES. SO, UH, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. UM, THESE ARE THE NATIONAL, UH, BOND PROGRAMS ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. SAN DIEGO'S, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S RED THERE, THERE WERE SOME BOND PROGRAMS THAT FAILED. SAN DIEGO IS INSIDE OF SANTA SANTA CLARA COUNTY. SO THE VOTERS, UH, DID FACE SOME CONFUSION ABOUT, UM, WHY ARE WE PASSING OR ARE WE ASKING FOR ANOTHER HOUSING BOND PROGRAM? THAT'S WHY IT FAILED. THERE WAS, UM, A LACK OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC ON NOT ENOUGH PUBLIC CAMPAIGN ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PROGRAMS. AND THEN SAN JOSE, UM, FAILED DUE TO PASSING, UH, GOING TO A VOTE DURING THE PANDEMIC AND PROPOSING A VERY LARGE PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. SO THE, UM, THE UNSTABLE CLIMATE OF THE ECONOMY, UM, IS THE REASON THAT THEY SAY THAT THEIR BOND PROGRAM DID FAIL. AND THEN ATLANTA DID PUT THEIR BOND PROGRAM ON HOLD. IT'S A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. YOU CAN SEE THERE WITH THE LINED, UM, MAR GRAPH THERE. UH, THEIRS IS ON HOLD UNTIL AFTER WE GET THROUGH SOME OF THE PANDEMIC, SO THEY DECIDED TO TABLE IT FOR NOW. UM, SO THESE ARE THE BOND PROGRAMS ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M SURE THAT CAM AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I, I, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, SO I'LL START AND THEN, UH, HAND IT OFF TO MY COLLEAGUE. UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT OUR PREVIOUS PROGRAM? UM, I KNOW THERE WAS $20 MILLION OF VOTER APPROVED. UM, AND COULD YOU REMIND ME, UH, HOW WE DISTRIBUTED IT OR HOW IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS? UM, IN TERMS OF PRESENTED TO THE VOTERS? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PACKAGE OF WHAT? SO IT WAS PRESENTED AS WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE URBAN RENEWAL PLAN, THAT THE CITY WOULD WORK THROUGH THE URBAN RENEWAL PLAN TO, UH, IMPLEMENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND IN, WITHIN THAT PACKAGE, WE WERE ABLE TO DO, UM, ALL TYPES OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY CONDOS, UM, TOWNHOUSES. AND SO, JAMIE, COULD YOU BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC? LIKE WHAT I CAN'T RECALL IS THAT WHEN WE WENT TO THE VOTERS, DID WE ALREADY HAVE AREAS IDENTIFIED? CORRECT. SO THE URBAN RENEWAL PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY OF 2017 PRIOR TO THE MAY ELECTION. AND SO THE 12 DESIGNATED AREAS WERE PUBLISHED WITH THE, UH, VOTER INFORMATION GUIDE. SO WHEN WE WENT FORWARD WITH THE VOTERS, [00:15:01] IT ALREADY HAD TO BE IDENTIFIED THE AREA WHERE WE WERE GONNA DO THE RENEWAL. CORRECT. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE CITY'S CHARTER, UH, CHARTER LANGUAGE DIDN'T ALLOW FOR THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT THE BOND PROGRAM ON ITS OWN. SO THIS WAS THE WAY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, UH, HAD US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A HOUSING BOND PROGRAM. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAD TO USE THE URBAN RENEWAL AGENCY. AND BY STATUTE, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ADOPTED URBAN RENEWAL PLAN IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT AN URBAN RENEWAL AGENCY, UH, FOR THE SPENDING. AND SO WE ADOPTED THAT PLAN. IT'S CLEARLY OUTLINED IN THAT PLAN, THE 12 IMPROVEMENT AREAS, AND WHAT ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES WE COULD USE THE FUNDS FOR. AND IT DRAFTED OUT THE PROCESS FOR WHICH WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM. SO IT'S BASICALLY A GUIDEBOOK OF HOW TO IMPLEMENT BOND PROGRAM. UH, AND SO WHAT, RIGHT, GO AHEAD. IT, I GUESS, LORI, THIS IS VE SOTO. OKAY. , UM, THE URBAN RENEWAL PLAN ALSO LIMITS THE AREA BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO NEED THE URBAN RENEWAL AUTHORITY LANGUAGE, WHICH IS, IT IS NOT CITYWIDE. IT HAS TO BE AREAS THAT NEED THE SLUM AND FLIGHT DESIGNATION. AND SO IT IS A VERY LIMITED AREA WHERE YOU CAN WORK, UM, IN THE SAME URBAN RENEWAL AUTHORITY IS IN PLACE NEXT TIME. WE WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO WORK IN THOSE AREAS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF LEGWORK THAT GOES INTO DEVELOPING A PLAN AND IDENTIFYING AREAS OF THE CITY THAT MEET THE, THAT CRITERIA AS DICTATED BY THE STATE. AND SO IT WOULD NOT BE REALLY A CITYWIDE KIND OF IMPACT. UM, AND, AND AGAIN, VERY LIMITED AREAS WHERE YOU CAN WORK FOR THE STATE STATUTE ON THE URBAN RENEWAL AUTHORITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AGAIN, OR WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AGAIN. WE DON'T WANNA DO IT AGAIN, COUNCILWOMAN. THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE CHARTER CHANGE. UM, OKAY. WELL, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING ABOUT THE CHARTER. THERE WERE A LOT OF OTHER LIMITATIONS AS WELL. UM, AND SO DID WE, I KNOW I GOT A PROJECT, UH, AS A RESULT OF THIS, DID HOW MANY OTHER PROJECTS WERE FUNDED IN THE 20 MILLION VOTER APPROVED PROJECT? THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COUNCIL APPROVED. SO WE HAVE THE, UM, GREENLINE NORTH IN DISTRICT THREE AT THE FORMER SOUTHEAST SERVICE CENTER SITE. WE HAVE THE PARK AT 38 30 IN THE MEDICAL CENTER IN DISTRICT EIGHT. WE HAVE THE WEST END ON FREO IN DISTRICT FIVE, AND NOW WE'RE WORKING ON, UM, A PROJECT ON SAN PEDRO IN DISTRICT ONE. SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR PRO, WAS THAT ? WE SHOULD HAVE A, I'M SORRY IF THAT WAS ALL, THOSE ARE THE FOUR PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, AND WE SHOULD HAVE FUNDING TO POTENTIALLY HAVE ANOTHER SITE DEPENDING ON HOW WE FINALIZE OUR NEGOTIATIONS ON THE SAN PEDRO PROJECT. OKAY. SO POTENTIALLY FIVE. UM, I GUESS I, I, WHEN I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, DID WE LIVE UP TO OUR EXPECTATION FROM THE VOTERS? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE LIMITED, THAT WE WERE LIMITED LAST TIME, BUT IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL PROBLEM THE NEXT TIME, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE VOTERS ARE GONNA UNDERSTAND ALL THE NUANCES THAT WE'RE UNDER. UM, YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH THE CHARTER AMENDMENT, UM, AT THE SAME TIME WE DO THE BOND PACKAGE. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF IT WAS, I MEAN, IF IT'S A CITYWIDE PROJECT, UH, OR INITIATIVE, WAS THERE SUCCESS IN THAT REGARD? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT. THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING, BECAUSE IF THERE WERE FOUR AND THEY WERE ALL IN THE CORE, UM, THEN I'M JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE EXPECTING FOR THE NEXT TIME? SO WE WORKED WITHIN THE 12 IMPROVEMENT AREAS, UM, TO FIND THE BEST SELECTED SITES, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN ADVOCATE FOR THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM WITH A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO GO CITYWIDE, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW US TO EXPAND OUR FOOTPRINT TO WORK WITH ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY AND NOT BE LIMITED TO URBAN RENEWAL PLAN SITES THAT ARE PRE-APPROVED. IS THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT DOES. I GUESS I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING THE CHARTER AMENDMENT AT THE SAME BOND AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE GO THROUGH WITH THE BOND. UM, BUT I GUESS THERE'S NO OTHER WAY, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED FIRST AND THEN WE WENT WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE CHARTER ELECTION WOULD BE MAY, 2021. THE BOND ELECTION WOULD BE MAY, 2022. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. UM, LET ME, LET [00:20:01] ME TURN IT OVER TO, UM, ANY OF, UH, TO MY COLLEAGUES AND, UM, I, I DON'T, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE, SO, UH OH. OH, OKAY. MAYBE A COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE'RE, IF WE HAVE SOME TARGETS ON HOW WE WANT TO, UH, MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD. NOT A TIMELINE, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, UH, ARE WE GOING TO SOLICIT PEOPLE WHO WANNA BUILD APARTMENTS? AND DO WE HAVE GUIDELINES ON HOW THEY COULD BE AFFORDABLE OR MARKET RATE, OR WHAT PART OF THE CITY THEY MAY BE IN? OR IS ALL OF THAT PART OF THE DOWNSTREAM PLANNING PROCESS AND WILL WHAT WE GET AND FEEDBACK FROM BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS WHO WANNA PARTNER FROM US, GIVE US THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE ARE GOING TO TRY AND PUT INTO THE BOND PROJECT? SO COULD WE GET SOME IDEAS HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK OUT COMPARED TO THE LAST ONE? THIS IS IT. IT WOULD BE THE LATTER IN HOW YOU DESCRIBED. UM, SO WE HAVE THE INVENTORY OF WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE INCLUDED IN THEIR HOUSING BONDS. UM, HAVE THEY DONE RENTAL, HAVE THEY DONE HOME OWNERSHIP? WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS THEY HAVE UTILIZED? SO WE HAVE A MENU OF OPTIONS FROM OTHER CITIES THAT WE CAN DO HERE. WE HAVEN'T, UM, GONE OUT TO GET ADDITIONAL PUBLIC FEEDBACK, BUT ALL OF THAT WOULD BE CAPTURED IN THE TIMELINE THAT JAMIE DESCRIBED, ALONG WITH DEVELOPING ALL OF THE FINAL BOND RECOMMENDATIONS. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING SHOULD THE CHARTER AMENDMENT HAVE IN 2021 THAT WE WOULD WORK, WORK TOWARDS IN 2022. UM, IF THE CHARTER, IF THERE'S NO CHARTER AMENDMENT, OF COURSE, WE WOULD BE LIMITED TO URBAN RENEWAL AUTHORITY AGAIN. WELL, LET ME ASK, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE THROUGH THIS ACTION FOR THE CITY TO SET A CERTAIN SPECIFIC AMOUNT, LET'S SAY $50 MILLION THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TOWARD HOUSING, BUT THEN FUND THAT MONEY THROUGH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST TO ACTUALLY USE ITS PROCESS TO PARTNER WITH DIFFERENT, UH, DEVELOPERS TO CREATE THIS HOUSING? THAT SOUNDS LIKE A MORE LEGAL QUESTION, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY RUN THROUGH THE CITY. SO, UM, DID YOU ALL HEAR THE QUESTION? WE EVER LOOKED INTO THAT COUNCIL COUNCILMAN. BUT MY, UH, INITIAL REACTION WOULD BE JUST, UH, VERY LIKE, UH, THE SAME AS BATTLES, WHICH IS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BOND PROJECT THAT'S MIGHT BE THAT THE CITY WILL BE GETTING FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE, AND WE, UH, PUT, UH, THE, THE BOND PROJECT UP FOR A VOTE, UM, WE PROBABLY COULD CONTRACT WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'LL BE UP TO THE CITY TO FUND AND, AND, AND MANAGE THAT IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE PROJECTS. WE CAN USE PARTNERS TO DO THAT, LIKE WE USE PARTNERS ON OTHER BOND PROJECTS, BUT IT'LL BE SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO IN MORE DETAIL. AND COUNCILMAN, THIS IS LAURIE HOUSTON. MM-HMM. . UM, WE CURRENTLY PARTNER WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST ON SEVERAL OF THESE PROJECTS ALREADY. AND I WOULD IMAGINE WHEN WE DO OUR SOLICITATIONS, WE WOULD STILL IDENTIFY THE HOUSING TRUST AS OUR PREFERRED P F C AND HOUSING PARTNER. AND SO WE MAY NOT NEED TO CONTRACT WITH THEM, BUT WE CAN IDENTIFY THEM AS OUR PREFERRED PARTNER WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE DEALS. YEAH. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR, AND I'VE TALKED TO THE PEOPLE IN, IN THE TRUST ADMINISTRATIVE AREA ABOUT THIS, IS THAT IF WE CAN BECOME PARTNERS IN THESE HOUSING PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, THEN WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO SAY ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY THAT GETS BUILT INTO THESE PROJECTS. RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF THE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED THAT DO GO THROUGH THE TRUST AND ALSO I THINK THROUGH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, RELY ON OUTSIDE FUNDING, AND THEY RELY ON FUNDING AT MARKET RATES RIGHT NOW WHERE THE INVESTORS ARE WANTING A 17% RETURN OR 20% RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT IN ORDER TO BUILD THESE PROJECTS. AND SO IT'S VERY HARD TO GET LOW AFFORDABILITY BUILT INTO THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE THE RETURN THOSE PARTNERS WANT. IF THE CITY CAN PROVIDE THE FUNDING AND CAN BECOME A PARTNER IN THESE PROJECTS AND ADD A TWO OR THREE OR $5 MILLION INVESTMENT, WE CAN HELP DO THAT AT MAYBE A 5% RATE OF RETURN OR 7% INSTEAD OF 17% OR 15%, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO LOWER THE COSTS OF UNITS IN MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS. [00:25:02] AND, UH, SO, UH, I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE US AS, AS THE TRUST BE ABLE TO ACCUMULATE ABOUT A 50,000, DO A $50 MILLION BOND PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN PARTNER, WHICH GIVES US MORE OF RETURN LONG TERM, BUT GIVES US MORE CONTROL OVER PROVIDING AFFORDABILITY IN THESE HOUSING PROJECTS. BUT IF THE CITY'S GONNA BORROW THAT MONEY AND, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP THAT KIND OF A BOND PROGRAM AND USE THE TRUST, UH, AS A VEHICLE AND ALLOW THE TRUST TO, FOR, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY PARTNER WITH SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS AND CREATE LOWER INCOME OR, OR, UH, LOWER AFFORDABILITY IN, IN THESE PROJECTS, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANNA DO. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY NEEDS TO DO IT WHEN WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE TRUST SET TO DO THAT, JUST A MATTER OF THE MONEY. SO I'D LIKE US TO EXPLORE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS IDEA. SO THAT'S IT, COUNCIL COUNCILMAN, ALL FOUR OF OUR BOND PROJECTS ARE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE HOUSING TRUST. HMM. UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER VRAN AND IF, UH, OR JADA OKAY, THEN I'LL CALL YOU ON ME NEXT. UH, COUNCILMAN TREVINO. SO COUNCILMAN VERAN. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO, UM, BASICALLY IN OUR LAST BOND WE WE'RE, UM, WE WERE JUST, UM, I GUESS HAMSTRINGED BY THE KIND OF WORK WE COULD DO BECAUSE OF THE CHARTER LANGUAGE. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, AND I'M LOOKING TO OUR CITY CLERKS, UM, NOT SORRY, CLERKS, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON SLIDE NUMBER FOUR, WHERE YOU'RE SAYING THE AMENDED LANGUAGE WOULD NOT LIMIT FUTURE EXPENDITURES TO PUBLIC WORKS, BUT BROADEN THE LANGUAGE. SO, UM, IT WOULD BROADEN THE LANGUAGE. SO I WILL, I WILL SAY THIS, I, I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE A, A CHARTER AMENDMENT FOR, BECAUSE THEN WE COULD BE ABLE TO USE THIS FOR HOUSING, UM, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE KNEW WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT IT ON THE 2017 BOND. UM, WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE, CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WE COME OUT OF THIS PANDEMIC AND CONTINUE WITH OUR RECOVERY IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. SO WE NEED TO HAVE THIS AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT OR HOUSING COMPONENT EASIER ACCESSIBLE IN OUR, TO HAVE IT EASIER USED. I WOULD NOT THROW OUT ALL OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE, UM, URBAN RENEWAL BECAUSE I THINK WE DID GET SOME VERY GOOD OPTIONS WITH URBAN RENEWALS USING THOSE BLIGHTED AREAS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRANSFORMED. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, UM, OPPORTUNITY. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY, I'M LOOKING AT, I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT LORI AND MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES WHO WILL BE HERE WHEN PLANNING, UM, EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD WITH THE AFFORDABILITY OR THE, THE BOND COMING UP. UM, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT ELEMENT INSTILLED IN OR SOME ELEMENTS OF THE URBAN RENEWAL PROGRAM IN, UH, AFFORDABILITY FOR HOUSING. SO THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO DO POSSIBLY SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IF WE MAKE THESE CHARTER CHANGES. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. YES. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UM, ON SLIDE NUMBER, I BELIEVE IT WAS SLIDE NUMBER TWO, YOU TALKED ABOUT LIMIT USE OF FUNDS TO CITE READINESS ACTIVITIES, HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS, NOT VERTICAL. CAN GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF THAT? THAT WE'RE, THAT THE, THE BOND CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, SO RIGHT NOW THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO QUALIFY THEIR L THERE ARE REIMBURSEMENT REQUESTS TO US TO SITE WORK. SO BRINGING UTILITIES TO THE SITE, DEMOING, UH, ABATEMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, UM, LANDSCAPE, ANYTHING THAT'S TOUCHING THE GROUND, BUT NOTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THE GROUND. SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE USE THE FUNDS 'CAUSE IT'S VERY RESTRICTIVE. SO WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THE GAP THAT THEY PRESENT TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE. THERE'S ENOUGH ELIGIBLE REIMBURSABLE COSTS THAT WE CAN COVER, WE CAN COVER. UM, SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A COMPLICATED PUZZLE. IT'S NOT, NOT DOABLE, IT JUST LIMITS HOW MUCH WE CAN DO. SO SAY IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO LEVERAGE STATE FUNDING, WHICH IS A GREAT WAY TO, TO, UM, UM, GO FURTHER WITH OUR DOLLARS, [00:30:01] UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT MORE MONEY IN. AND IF A PROJECT SAY, NEEDED $10 MILLION, SO LET'S JUST SAY GREENLINE NORTH, 'CAUSE YOU'RE MOST FAMILIAR WITH IT, COUNCILWOMAN AT GREENLINE NORTH HAD A GAP OF 10 MILLION. THERE'S NOT $10 MILLION WITH A SITE WORK OR ELIGIBLE COSTS THAT I COULD HAVE COVERED. SO WE'D HAVE TO FIND OTHER FUNDS TO COVER THAT GAP. AND SO IT JUST GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED IN CASE WE DIDN'T WANT TO PARTNER WITH THE STATE GOING AFTER 4% OR A 9% TAX CREDIT DEAL. IT JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. AND HAVING A CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD RE RELIEVE US FROM, UM, THOSE TYPES OF LIMITATIONS ON THE USE OF THE FUNDS. SO THAT IF THE CITY WANTED TO GO ALL IN BECAUSE WE WANTED A PROJECT, IT'S A REALLY SMALL SITE AND IT HAD A BIG GAP, WE COULD STILL FUND IT FOR EVEN VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, UM, FOR US TO, TO REALIZE AS WE'RE TAKING IT, UM, TO THE VOTERS LATER ON. AND I, I THINK IT'LL JUST EXPAND OUR OPPORTUNITY. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION, ANDY, UM, OR, OR CAM, SO THIS IS THE CHARTER AMENDMENT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION. SO WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO GO ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENT ELECTION? WHAT ELSE HAS THE, WHAT ELSE HAS THE CHARTER AME CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE LOOKED AT AND ARE PUTTING TOWARDS OUR CHARTER AMENDMENT, UM, ELECTION? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. COUNCILWOMAN, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UH, WHEN I SAY WE, THE CITY, UH, THE MAYOR SPECIFICALLY HAD COMMISSIONED A CHARTER REVIEW GROUP TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CHARTER AND RECOMMEND A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO COUNCIL. UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, THAT, UH, GROUP, UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CAN THEY EITHER NEVER FINISHED THEIR WORK OR IT WAS NEVER SUBMITTED TO THE, TO THE COUNCIL? AND IF YOU, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING MORE CHANGES TO THE CHARTER, IT WOULD BE ONE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO NOT HAVE TO, BUT THAT'S THE TRADITIONAL PROCESSES TO COMMIT COMMISSION, THE CHARTER REVIEW GROUP, UH, GIVE THEM THE SCOPE, THEY COME BACK TO TR TO THE COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDED CHANGES. UH, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT FOR, WELL, I I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. I'M PRETTY SURE WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT FOR THE COMING MAY ELECTION. AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE PRO, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE'RE PROPOSING THIS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PETITIONS OUT THERE ALREADY THAT WANNA MAKE CHANGES TO OUR CHARTER SO THAT ONE OF THEM SHOULD FIND THEIR WAY TO OUR BALLOT. UH, IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO HAVE THIS VERY SPECIFIC CHANGE TO THE CHARTER, WHICH HAS BEEN ALREADY REVIEWED BY A PREVIOUS CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, UH, BEFORE THE, THE ELECTORATE, SINCE IT'S A VERY NARROW SCOPE AND PEOPLE CAN, WE THINK, UH, VERY READILY, UH, RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR IT. OKAY. I'M, THAT'S CURIOUS BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A STANDING CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT WE ESTABLISHED AND THEY WERE GONNA CONTINUE TO LOOK AND, AND REVIEW ITEMS. UH, SO IT HASN'T, THAT HASN'T BEEN HEARD IN GOVERNANCE. WHO'S ON GOVERNANCE HERE? NO, IT HASN'T BEEN HEARD IN GOVERNANCE, NO. OKAY. NO, I CAN, CAN YOU GIVE AN UPDATE OF WHAT THAT GROUP, UH, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THEY OFFICIALLY DISBANDED COUNCILWOMAN, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'VE MET IN A LONG, LONG TIME. NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, UM, AND, AND HOW OFTEN CAN WE HAVE CHARTER AMENDMENTS? EVERY TWO CALENDAR YEARS. TWO CALENDAR YEARS. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND, UM, ARE Y'ALL LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD OR JUST, JUST A BRIEFING? THIS IS JUST A BRIEFING COUNCIL MEMBER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. CHAIR. UH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINA. UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, THIS, THIS HOUSING BOND, UH, PRESENTATION, AT LEAST THE NATURE OF THIS SEEMS TO BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSING FIRST APPROACH. UH, HAS YOUR TEAM LOOKED AT THAT APPROACH AND THE BENEFITS OF HOUSING FIRST? COUNCILMAN? I HAVE NOT. OKAY. WELL THEN I'LL REQUE, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED HOMELESSNESS, UH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE FLEXIBILITY THAT COMES WITH THINGS LIKE REPAIR OF HOMES. SO, UM, MY, MY MY HOPE IS THAT WE, WHEN WE TACKLE ISSUES OF AFFORDABILITY, UH, AND, UH, AND HOMELESSNESS, THAT, THAT WE LOOK [00:35:01] AT THE HOUSING FIRST STRATEGY, UH, AND REALLY, UH, UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE TOOLS AVAILABLE IN THAT AND WHAT IT, WHAT IT DOES TO MAKE SURE TO, TO, TO HELP, UM, PREVENT HOMELESSNESS AND, UM, ALLOW US TO, TO, TO SUPPORT PEOPLE, UH, RIGHT AWAY BY, BY GETTING THEM SHELTERED, GETTING THEM, I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY THE MODEL. IT'S JUST HELPING PEOPLE, UH, WHERE THEY NEED, WHERE, WHERE THEY NEED SHELTER, AND THEN PROVIDING THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES, UH, AFTER THAT. SO, UM, ON TOP OF WHICH I, I I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR, THESE DOLLARS ARE, ARE ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE USED TO CONSTRUCT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, AND SO IF, IF, SO IF I GIVE, LET ME GIVE A QUICK EXAMPLE. IF, IF WE WERE TO, UH, COME UP WITH DIFFERENT, LET'S SAY, BUILDING TYPES, UM, AND, AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY WORKING WITH MIKE SHANNON ON THIS, UM, AND MELODY WOOLSEY IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS IN OUR BUILDING CODE, UH, FOR WHAT CONSTITUTES A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. UM, SOME OF THE, THE, UM, THE NECESSITIES, UH, THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UM, REQUIRED TO, TO BUILD A PROJECT, IF WE WERE TO ADJUST DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES AND CODES TO MATCH A CERTAIN ZONING, LET'S SAY, UM, THEN, THEN IT, IT, THAT THAT'S ALL COMPLETELY UP TO US THROUGH, THROUGH OUR BUILDING CODE PROCESS. UH, WE CAN STILL USE ALL THESE DOLLARS IN THE EFFORT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHETHER IT'S ONE TYPE OR ANOTHER. IS THAT I I, I SEE NODS. OKAY. SO I'LL JUST, I'LL SAY YES FOR THE RECORD SINCE I JUST SEE THE NODS. OH, I, WAS THAT A QUE I MEAN, WAS THAT A QUESTION? YEAH. OF, UM, YEAH, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT I, YEAH. YES. IT'S A QUESTION CONCEPTUALLY, YES. OBVIOUSLY THE DEVIL WOULD BE IN THE DETAIL, BUT CONCEPTUALLY, YES. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, JUST IN THAT, UH, I AND, AND TO, UH, TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT, IT'S THE, THE FACT IS WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING, THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE, AS MANY COMMUNITIES ARE EXPLORING, UH, DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES TO MEET DIFFERENT HOUSING NEEDS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABILITY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE COVER THAT AND THAT, THAT WE DON'T, WE DON'T MISS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT CROSS THAT T OR DOT THAT I, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, SOME PEOPLE CALL THEM TINY HOMES, OTHER PEOPLE CALL 'EM, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS. UH, BUT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO CHANGE BUILDING CODE TYPES SO THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT VERY SPECIFIC NEED FOR THAT, UH, PARTICULAR PERSON THAT WILL BE, UH, LIVING IN THAT SITUATION. SOMETIMES IT, IT, IT, IT DOES REQUIRE WRAPAROUND SERVICES. SO YOU HAVE, YOU MIGHT HAVE THINGS LIKE COMMUNAL, COMMUNAL, UH, UTILITIES AND, AND ACCESSORIES AND SOMETIMES NOT. SO IT'S, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THOSE. AND, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS, AS WE'RE DOING THIS, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF FLEXIBILITY THAT I HOPE WE, WE BUILD INTO THE LANGUAGE SO THAT WE'RE NOT STUCK SAYING THAT WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T BUILD THAT TYPE. SO IS IS THAT, IS THAT BETTER? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER LANGUAGE? I'M SORRY. AND, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, COUNCILMAN, IN TERMS OF THE CHARTER LANGUAGE, UH, IT IS WRITTEN GENERAL ENOUGH TO, UH, ADDRESS THE SITUATION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UH, THE MATTER OF OUR, OUR CODES AND OTHER THINGS, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE, BUT IN TERMS OF THE CHARTER, YES, IT'S GENERAL ENOUGH TO DO THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I, UH, 'CAUSE IT, IT, THERE THERE IS GONNA BE SOME DISTINCT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THESE, THESE HOUSING TYPES. I JUST, UM, UH, AS, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THAT'S NOT A, A, AN EXTRA HURDLE AFTER THE FACT THAT, THAT SOMEHOW WE DIDN'T COVER. BUT THAT'S REALLY THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER JA, UH, AN ANDREW, COUNCIL MEMBER JADA. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, SO MY QUESTIONS HAVE TO, THEY KIND OF ALIGN WITH, WITH COUNCILMAN TREVINOS WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, THE AMENDMENT AND UNDERSTANDING, IS THIS ONLY GONNA BE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR WILL THIS BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE VACANT BUILDINGS? THAT CAN BE THEN REHAB FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING USE? YES MA'AM. BUT IT CAN BE FOR REHAB AS LONG AS IT, IT MEETS THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER AS PROPOSED. OKAY. [00:40:01] AND SO AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD, I KNOW THAT, UM, ANYONE LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION MIGHT HAVE TAKEN A POINT OF HESITATION WHEN YOU SPOKE ABOUT, UM, THE PRICE TAG THAT THE TAXES HAD ON THE ONES THAT DID NOT PASS IN PREVIOUS CITIES. SO QUESTION THAT MIGHT COME UP AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD IS, IS WILL THIS HAVE A PRICE TAG, UM, IF IT'S VOTED ON FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT TO HAPPEN, WILL THIS THEN ADD A PRICE TAG ONTO THE BOND WHEN IT COMES TO THE TAXES? AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE I HEARD YOU MENTION ABOUT THE TAXES AND WHY IT DIDN'T PASS IN OTHER CITIES. SO THAT IS GONNA BE A LINGERING QUESTION AND I JUST WANNA TACKLE IT. NOW, COUNCILWOMAN, IF I MAY, THE CHARTER AMENDMENT ITSELF CARRIES NO PRICE TAG. THANK YOU. THAT, THAT WILL HELP WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE DISSEMINATING OF WHAT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT MEANS COMPARED TO WHAT THE BOND ACTUALLY MEANS. AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE PUTTING FORTH THE CAMPAIGN, THAT WE'RE EDUCATING ON THE TRUE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AMENDMENTS AND THE BOND AND WHY THIS AMENDMENT IS NEEDED BEFORE WE DO THE BOND, UM, ELECTION. AND SO WE CAN START SEEING WHAT THAT CAMPAIGN LOOKS LIKE, UM, WHAT THE, THE VERBIAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY. I LIKE TO SEE THAT. BUT THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE IN COMMENTS THAT I HAVE. MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. SO, UM, LEMME JUST ELABORATE ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN VIA GRANT'S QUESTIONS WERE REGARDING ITEMS THAT CAN GO ON THE AGENDA, UM, FOR, OR GO ON THE BALLOT FOR, FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS, BECAUSE IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE COULD ONLY BRING THREE AT A TIME AND TWO OF THEM ARE SPOKEN FOR. AM I, AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? OR MAYBE YOU COULD ELABORATE. NO, COUNCILWOMAN, THERE'S NO, UH, LIMIT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF CHANGES ONE CAN MAKE TO A CHARTER IN ANY SPECIFIC ELECTION. UH, IN FACT, THE LAST TIME THE, UH, CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, HAD PROPOSED ANYTHING, THEY HAD A NUMBER OF CHANGES. SO THERE'S NO LIMIT IN TO AS TO THE NUMBER OF CHANGES, UH, THAT CAN BE MADE. UH, OBVIOUSLY THE VOTERS WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE CHANGES, BUT THERE'S NO LIMIT. OKAY, WELL THAT HELPS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I GOT THAT INFORMATION THAT WE COULD ONLY HAVE THREE AT ONE TIME. UM, SO, UM, UH, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. AND SO, UH, EVEN REGARDING, UM, HAS IT BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE WE APPROVED THINGS ON THE CHARTER OR HAS IT BEEN FOUR? THE LAST CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT WE HAD WAS IN NOVEMBER OF 2018, AND THE MAY, 2021 ELECTION WILL BE DEFINITELY WELL AFTER THE TWO YEAR PERIOD. OKAY. AND, AND SO WERE THE, I'M SORRY, UH, COUNCILMAN, THOSE WERE THE CHANGES TO THE CHARTER THAT CAME FROM THE, UH, FIREFIGHTER PETITIONS, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT. OKAY. SO WE DID THAT ALREADY. SEE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS STILL PENDING. I DON'T KNOW, UM, PERHAPS THAT I, WELL, I, SO WE DID THAT ALREADY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IN MY LAST PREVIOUS QUESTION. SO THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. CORRECT. THE ONE, IF WE HAVE A, UH, CHARTER ELECTION IN MAY OF NEXT YEAR, IT WOULD BE AFTER THE TWO YEARS THAT WE HAD THE LAST CHARTER CHANGE THAT WERE AGAIN DRIVEN BY THE, UH, FIREFIGHTER PETITIONS. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. THAT HELPS A LOT. AND SO WHEN, WHEN, UH, WHEN YOU REFERENCED, UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS THAT THERE ARE PETITIONS CIRCULATING FOR, THOSE HAVE TO GO, THE SIGNATURES DETERMINE WHEN THOSE GO TO THE VOTERS? CORRECT. THE SIGNATURES IN TERMS OF THE CLERK CERTIFYING, UH, IF THE CLERK CERTIFIES THE SIGNATURES, UH, THE STATUTE READS, OR, OR I'M SORRY, THE, THE PREVAILING PROVISION READS IT HAS TO BE ON THE NEXT, UM, ELIGIBLE ELECTION, WHICH DEPENDING ON WHEN THEY SUBMIT, UH, WE WOULD BE EXPECTING IN MAY, BUT IF THEY SUBMIT AFTER THE DEADLINE, IT WOULD BE IN NOVEMBER. AND I RIGHT. I JUST DON'T KNOW THE DEADLINE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD RIGHT NOW, . UH, BUT WE DO KNOW WHAT IS THE CAM, WHAT IS THE DEADLINE FOR PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 11TH IS DEADLINE TO ORDER THE, UH, MAY, 2021 ELECTION AND THAT WILL BE THE THURSDAY THAT WE ORDER. IT'S ACTUALLY THE 12TH, BUT WE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING ON A FRIDAY, SO WE WOULD PUT IT ON YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING AGENDA. OKAY. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU THAT, THAT, UH, CLARIFIES SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, SO I'M SURE WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AGAIN AND GETTING BETTER LANGUAGE AS COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN MENTIONED. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THAT, SO THAT'LL BE ANOTHER ONE. I'M SURE THERE'LL [00:45:01] BE LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW LARGE OF THE BOND PACKAGE IS. AND THEN JUST, UM, UH, I JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, UH, I THINK MAYBE JAMIE MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT SOME OF THIS WAS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS. SO IF WE HAD A BOND THAT WAS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS, COULD THAT INCLUDE WRAPAROUND SERVICES OR IT ONLY INCLUDES PHYSICAL BUILDINGS OR REHAB OR PHYSICAL STRUCTURES LIKE CAPITAL COUNCILWOMAN? THE, THE WAY THE PERMANENT, THE WAY THE LANGUAGE AS PROPOSED FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT READS RIGHT NOW IS WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, DO A VARIETY OF THINGS TO PUBLIC WORKS FOR PERMANENT PUBLIC PURPOSES OR ANY OTHER PUBLIC PURPOSE. SO IT DOES EXPAND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE USE OF THOSE BOND FUNDS. UH, OKAY. GREAT. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THEN I KNOW WE'LL WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS AGAIN, UM, UH, FURTHER. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE ON. AND THAT WAS FOR BRIEFING ONLY. SO, UH, [Items 4 & 5] WE ALSO HAVE, UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA TAKE FOUR AND FIVE TOGETHER, LORI, AM I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? UM, CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD UP TO 500,000 IN C D B G FUNDING FOR MINOR HOME REPAIR PROGRAMS AND CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATION FOR UP TO 300,000 IN HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM. AND, UM, AND WILL WE NEED A MOTION FOR THOSE ITEMS? YES. AND I'M GONNA ASK VERONICA SOTO TO KICK US OFF ON THESE TWO ITEMS. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, SO THIS PRESENTATION COMBINES, UH, BOTH ITEMS. SO LET'S START OFF WITH THE BLOCK GRANT FOR MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM DELIVERY. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THAT THIS IS PART OF WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN OUR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 2021 ACTION PLAN. PLAN. WE ACTUALLY SET ASIDE C D B G FUNDING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO HELP US DELIVER 16 UNITS OF MINOR REPAIR. THE NEXT SLIDE HAS, UM, THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE R F P. WE, OF COURSE WENT THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROP PROCESS STARTING IN OCTOBER WITH PROPOSALS DUE NOVEMBER EVALUATION IN NOVEMBER. UH, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, UH, BRING THAT FORWARD IN DECEMBER. SO HERE WE ARE SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY. THE CRITERIA THAT WE UTILIZED WAS, OF COURSE, LOOKING AT THE EXPERIENCE CAPACITY, THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTING PROPOSALS. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE PROGRAM DESIGN AND THE WORK PROGRAM DEFINED BEING HOW THEY PROPOSED, UM, TO DELIVER ON THE PROGRAM. THEY HAD THE STAFF, UM, HOW THE STAFF WOULD INTERACT ON THIS. AND UM, BECAUSE IT'S FEDERAL FUNDS, WE ASKED IF THEY HAVE SECTION THREE CERTIFICATION, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH, UH, SECTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT, UM, AS THAT WE UTILIZE FUNDING TO HELP, UH, LOWER INCOME HOUSEHOLDS. SO A TOTAL OF A HUNDRED POINTS WOULD BE AVAILABLE. THE NEXT SLIDE HAS, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION. WE ARE RECOMMENDING A AWARD TO ED HOUSING TEXAS THAT HAS 18 YEARS DOING THIS KIND OF WORK. THEY ALREADY, UH, LAST YEAR HAD A CONTRACT WITH US, UM, AND OVER THE LAST 18 YEARS HAVE DELIVERED OVER 650 UNITS. THEY HAVE NOT JUST A CONSTRUCTION CAPABILITY, BUT THEY ALSO PROVIDE RESIDENT SERVICES. AND WHAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WOULD BE VERIFYING ELIGIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER, DEVELOPING THE SCOPE OF WORK, WHAT ACTIVITIES GET FIXED. THEY WILL OVERSEE THE REHAB WORK ITSELF, TRACK THE BUDGET, AND TRACK THE REQUEST FOR PAYMENTS AND REPORT BACK TO US ON THE PERFORMANCE AND ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH THE C D B G REQUIREMENTS FOR THE 16 UNITS. AND SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE AWARD. AND THAT IS THE LAST SLIDE FOR THIS PORTION. SO I'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS OUR COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OPERATING EXPENSE FUNDING. THE NEXT SLIDE HAS A TIMELINE AS WELL FOR THE R F P. SO WE STARTED WITH ISSUANCE OF THIS BACK IN SEPTEMBER, PROPOSALS DUE OCTOBER 19TH AND THE EVALUATION IN NOVEMBER SO THAT WE COULD BE HERE IN DECEMBER WITH POSSIBLE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION NEXT YEAR. WHAT WAS SET ASIDE IN THE ACTION PLAN WAS $300,000. IT WAS DOUBLE WHAT WE HAD DONE IN PREVIOUS YEARS. AND THE TOTAL, UH, IT'S A TERM OF FAR FROM HUD IN THE COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION. THESE ARE ACTUALLY NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT GET THAT DESIGNATION BECAUSE THEY MEET THE FEDERALLY MANDATED CRITERIA. AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS DO THEY MEET THE [00:50:01] CRITERIA TO BE DESIGNATING A CHOTO AND WHAT IS IT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON TO EVENTUALLY DELIVER A TOTAL PROJECT. WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT 50% OF THE FUNDING OF THE HOME PROGRAM HAS TO BE UTILIZED FOR CHOTO ACTIVITIES. SO WE NEED TO HAVE, UM, ORGANIZATIONS DESIGNATED AS SUCH. SO IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE EVALUATION CRITERIA THAT WE UTILIZE FOR THESE NONPROFITS REQUESTING FUNDING SUPPORT. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE LOOKED AT POTENTIAL PROJECTS, BUT HOW THEY WERE GONNA UTILIZE THE FUNDING AS WELL, THEIR EXPERIENCE, THEIR FINANCIAL TRACK RECORDS BY LOOKING AT AUDIT FINDINGS, EXPERIENCE WITH PREVIOUS HOME FUNDING, UH, AND HOUSING COUNSELING AND IF THEY HAD A PROJECT THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY GONNA BE SUPPORTED, WHAT THE PROJECT READINESS AND SITE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT WERE, AGAIN, SECTION THREE CRITERIA AND THE AMENITIES AND LOCATION FOR THIS PROJECT. SO THE NEXT SLIDE HAS OUR FUNDING, UH, RECOMMENDATION. NOW AGAIN, THIS IS FUNDING THAT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE NONPROFITS THAT PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES. AND SO WE HAD QUITE A FEW APPLICANTS AND ALL OF THE APPLICANTS THAT REQUESTED FUNDING ARE BEING RECOMMENDED FOR SUPPORT. WE KNOW IT HAS BEEN A HARD YEAR, NOT JUST FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO FOR OUR NONPROFIT. AND WE THINK SUPPORTING THEM, UH, THROUGH OPERATING FUNDS. AND THIS CAN BE USED FOR STAFFING TO HELP, UM, DO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT WORK FOR POTENTIAL PROJECTS IS GONNA HELP US MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD PIPELINE OF PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH EACH OF THE ORGANIZATIONS REQUESTED AS WELL AS HOW MUCH IS BEING RECOMMENDED. AS ALWAYS, WE HAD A REQUEST THAT EXCEED WHAT WAS AVAILABLE, BUT WE ARE, UM, RECOMMENDING THAT ALAMO AREA MUTUAL HEALTH AND ASSOCIATION RECEIVE $50,000 HABITAT FOR HUMANITY 150,000, UM, 77,955. SORRY, I WAS READING THE, THE WRONG COLUMN. SO ALAMO AREA MUTUAL HOUSING, 56,000 NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES OF SAN ANTONIO, 56,000. OUR CASA'S RESIDENT COUNCIL 64,045 AND PROSPER, H C S 56,000. SO ALL OF THIS PHOTOS, UH, 300,000. UM, WE HAVE TALKED TO THE, UH, CHOTO ABOUT THE PROPOSAL AND UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT MEETING AND IN SOME CASES IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY REQUESTED, THEY CAN, UH, MEET THE CRITERIA AND PROVIDE THE SERVICES. AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE LAST SLIDE. UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH VERO. SO CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY, UM, THE CHATTO EXPENSES, THE 300,000, UM, THAT, THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE ORGANIZATION? THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? CORRECT. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A, A SET ASIDE FOR THAT. UM, Y'ALL APPROVED 300,000 AND IT IS FOR OPERATING EXPENSES FOR THE NON-FOR-PROFIT THAT DELIVER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. OKAY. OKAY. SO NONE OF THIS WENT TO ACTUAL HOME REPAIR WAS JUST, UM, TO THE ORGANIZATION. UM, AND I MEAN, I KNOW THAT HABITAT, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES, DOES HOUSING ALL OVER THE CITY, BUT IT'S SHOWING COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE HEADQUARTERED. IT IS WHERE THEIR HEADQUARTERS ARE LOCATED. YES, MA'AM. THE COUNCIL DISTRICT IS WHERE THEIR HEADQUARTERS ARE LOCATED. OKAY, THANK YOU. BUT IN THE FIRST ITEM, THE C D B T MINOR HOME REPAIR, THAT ALL OF THE 500,000 WENT TO, UH, MERCED TO ACTUALLY DO PHYSICAL WORK, RIGHT? CAPITAL WORK? CORRECT. OKAY. SO THIS IS ALL THE ACTUAL REPAIR WORK. UM, THERE IS OF COURSE SOME STAFFING COSTS THAT FOR THE STAFF THAT OVERSEES THE WORK, UH, CONTRACTING. UM, BUT IT IS TO BENEFIT THE HOMEOWNER THAT WILL HAVE UP TO $25,000 WORTH OF MINOR REPAIRS AT THEIR HOME. AND IT HAS TO BE ELIGIBLE HOMEOWNERS, UH, ELIGIBILITY FAMILIES AT OR BELOW 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO, UM, WE KNOW THESE ARE, UH, PRIORITY PROJECTS FOR, UM, FOR THIS COUNCIL. UH, AND THEN SO THESE ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, MA'AM. A MOTION TO APPROVE TO GO TO FULL COUNSEL OR IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER JADA, ANDREW SULLIVAN. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, ON THE, UM, THE MONEY FOR REPAIRS, UH, THE FIRST SECTION WE'VE TALKED TO, YOU SAID THERE'S [00:55:01] A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, UH, THAT MERCED WILL, WILL HAVE TO FIND IN A HOMEIT REPAIRS. THERE'S ACTUALLY A MAXIMUM OH, MAX. SO THE FINAL REPAIR PROGRAM, IT CANNOT EXCEED $25,000 WORTH OF REPAIR. OH, OKAY. A MAXIMUM. UM, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE 16 UNITS. THAT'S $400,000, NOT 500,000. WHERE DOES THE OTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND GO OR CAN THEY DO 20 UNITS? WELL, UH, I MENTIONED THAT SOME OF THIS IS FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS BECAUSE THERE IS STAFF THAT HAS TO DELIVER, UM, QUALIFY THE HOMEOWNERS FOR ELIGIBILITY. SO THE 25 CAP IS FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION WORK. BUT, UM, THERE IS SOME ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS THAT ARE COVERED FOR ED. SO ED WILL HAVE A CONSTRUCTION, UM, OVERSIGHT. UM, SO THEY'LL HAVE SOMEONE ON SITE FOR THIS PROJECT. THEY ALSO HAVE TO DO SOME ADMINISTRATION WHEN IT COMES TO ELIGIBILITY REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THE HOMEOWNERS QUALIFY. AND OF COURSE, UH, INVOICING AND TRACKING ALL OF THOSE EXPENSES. SO WE DO COVER SOME ADMIN FOR THE AGENCY TO DELIVER FOR THE FAMILY. WELL, THAT SEEMS LIKE MORE ADMIN THAN WE'RE GIVEN THE OTHERS THAT ARE ASKING FOR OPERATION EXPENSES. SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF SURPRISING. IS THERE A MINIMUM THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE A, TO HAVE A HOME QUALIFY? IN OTHER WORDS, DO THEY NEED AT LEAST $16,000 WORTH OF WORK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THERE'S NO MINIMUM, BUT TYPICALLY, UM, WE'RE SPENDING OVER $5,000 IN MINOR REPAIR WORK. OKAY. SO THEY SHOULD END UP DOING A LOT MORE THAN 16 HOUSES. THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S AT LEAST A MINIMUM, RIGHT? UM, IT, IT IS. AND ONE OTHER THING, UM, WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UH, LATE ABATEMENT DONE FOR THE HOUSES AS WELL. UM, THE LIT ABATEMENT COST BETWEEN A THOUSAND, $3,000 PER HOME JUST TO SEE IF IT NEEDS REMEDIATION. SO THAT'S PART OF THE COST. IT DOESN'T GO TOWARD THE, THE 25 KS, THE REPAIR, BUT WE TAKE CARE OF LEAD REMEDIATION AS WELL. AND JUST TO TEST THE HOUSE COST BETWEEN A THOUSAND TO $3,000. SO THAT'S ADDED HERE AS WELL ON TOP OF THE 25 K. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. ON THE SECOND, UH, ITEM WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHODO FUNDING. UH, WHY OR WHAT CAUSED YOU TO GIVE MORE MONEY TO PEOPLE BEYOND WHAT THEY ASKED AND MAKE A SIGNIFICANT CUT FROM ONE MUCH LESS THAN THEY ASKED? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE HAD A VERY LIVELY DISCUSSION WITH THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE TO TRY AND HAVE, UM, AS MUCH EQUITY AS WE COULD BETWEEN THESE, UM, WHERE CAP AS TO THE AMOUNT WE CAN GIVE FOR SOME ENTITIES BECAUSE OF THEIR BUDGET. SO IT IT, IT RELATES TO THE BUDGET THAT THEY HAVE AS WELL. SO THE LARGER THEIR, UH, OVERALL ANNUAL BUDGET, THE MORE MONEY THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR. BUT WE HAVE SOME VERY SMALL ORGANIZATIONS REPRESENTED HERE AS WELL. FOR EXAMPLE, ARCAA, THE 54 IS THE MAXIMUM THEY COULD UNDER THEIR BUDGET. SO IN TRYING TO DO THIS, WE TRIED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EQUITY, SEE THE NEED. UM, AND SO WE THOUGHT THIS WAS, IT WAS, UM, IT WAS MEETING THE NEED WITHOUT GOING OVER. WE KNEW HABITS WAS TAKING, UM, A BIT OF A HIT BECAUSE THEY ASKED FOR TWICE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A MUCH LARGER BUDGET THAN ALL OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UH, REPRESENTED. SO THAT WAS THE APPROACH. THAT'S WHY WE INCREASED, UM, A FEW AMOUNTS FOR A COUPLE OF ORGANIZATIONS, UM, KNOWING THAT THEY HAD SMALLER OVER BUDGET COMPARED TO THE LARGEST GROUP, WHICH WAS HABITAT. OKAY. UM, I'LL JUST WAIT AND SEE IF WE HEAR ANY MORE ABOUT THAT FROM ANY OF IT. I'M SURE ANYONE GETTING MORE THAN THEY ASK FOR WON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UH, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, ANDREW J JADA. ANDREW SULLIVAN. THANK YOU, UH, MADAM CHAIR AND, AND THANK YOU COUNCILMAN COURAGE. UM, I WANNA KIND OF START WHERE COUNCILMAN COURAGE LEFT OFF. WHEN IT COMES TO THE AGENCIES THAT DID RECEIVE FUNDING, UM, I, I DID HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THEY WERE, WERE MEASURED OR WHY THEY RECEIVED ADDITIONAL FUNDING OVER WHAT, UM, WAS ACTUALLY BEING ALLOCATED OR ASKED FOR. BUT THEN THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAD IN REFERENCE TO THAT WAS HOW DO WE GET A BREAKDOWN OF WHO ALL ACTUALLY APPLIED, UM, BASED ON OUR DISTRICTS, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY OF OUR DISTRICT COMPANIES THAT APPLIED AND THEN WHY THEY WEREN'T SELECTED OR, UM, WHAT DO THEY NEED, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET UP TO THIS CRITERIA THAT IS BEING ASKED OF THEM SO THAT [01:00:01] WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THE DISTRICT, UNDERSTAND, UH, THE HOUSING OF THE DISTRICT, TRULY BE THE ONES THAT WORK ON THE HOUSES OR THE, THE PROJECTS IN THE DISTRICTS. UM, COUNCILWOMAN, EVERYONE WHO APPLY IS GETTING FUNDING. SO EVERYONE ON THE LIST IS, THAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF APPLICANTS. SO, UM, EVERYONE WHO APPLIED IS GETTING SOME FUNDING. UM, SO NO ONE IS BEING LEFT OUT IN THIS INSTANCE. CHOTO AGAIN, IS A TERM OF FAR FROM HOOD. IT IS PART OF THE HOME PROGRAM REGULATION. AND, UM, IN ORDER TO BE QUALIFIED AS THE CHOTO, THEY HAVE TO MEET THAT FEDERAL CRITERIA. AND SO, UM, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THEIR BOARD MUST HAVE, UM, BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE LOW INCOME RESIDENTS. AND SO THEY HAVE TO SHOW US THAT THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA. THEY HAVE TO UNDERTAKE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, SUPPORTED BY FEDERAL FUNDING. UM, THEY HAVE TO, UM, MEET ADDITIONAL CRITERIA. SO IT IS A FEDERAL CHOTO, UH, LANGUAGE THAT DRIVES WHO CAN APPLY. UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED. WE ARE THE ONES WHO CERTIFY THEM, BUT WE CERTIFY THEM USING THE HUD HOME PROGRAM REGULATION. AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, HOW MANY OTHER COMPANIES OR HOW MANY OTHER AGENCIES ARE WE REACHING OUT TO TO HELP THEM GET THE CERTIFICATION? UM, GREAT QUESTION. EVERY AGENCY OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS WHO HAS GOTTEN A CHOTO UH, OPERATING EXPENSE OR HAS A CHOTO PROJECT IS WHO WE REACH OUT TO. THERE'S A FEW THAT HAVEN'T ASKED FOR, UM, THE CHOTO CERTIFICATION, IT NEEDS TO BE RENEWED ANNUALLY. AND SO THERE'S A FEW AGENCIES THAT HAVEN'T ASKED TO HAVE THEIR TOTAL CERTIFICATION RENEWED. WE DID REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL TO LET 'EM KNOW THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS. UM, THERE'S PROBABLY TWO, TWO THAT HAVEN'T, THAT DIDN'T APPLY AND HAVEN'T, UH, FOR A WHILE. OKAY. AND, UM, UH, IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A LIST OF ANY OF THOSE THAT ARE HERE IN, IN MY DISTRICT AND DISTRICT TWO SO THAT WE CAN START FOLLOWING UP TO HELP THOSE COMPANIES AS WELL. UM, SOMETIMES WITH, ESPECIALLY NOW, SOME THINGS CAN GET OVERLOOKED AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, UM, STILL TAKING PART OF THE PROCESSES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I'LL ASK ABOUT THE CHOTO IS WHO IS THE ACTUAL EDUCATION OR THE, UM, ACTUAL EVALUATION COMMITTEE? I CAN GIVE YOU THAT LIST. UM, WE HAVE MYSELF, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, THE C D B D, OR THE HU PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR, UM, AND ONE OF THE PROGRAM MANAGERS. UM, I THINK THAT'S IT, BUT I'LL GET YOU THE LIST. IT'S, UH, A LOT OF OUR INTERNAL STAFF THAT DEALS WITH THE PROGRAM, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU THE FULL LIST AND TITLE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN THE FINAL QUESTION, UM, FROM BOTH PRESENTATIONS ARE UNDER, UH, THE 16 UNITS. THAT IS, IS THAT GONNA BE EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR IS IT, UH, SPECIFIC TO ONE CERTAIN AREA? HOW ARE THOSE 16 UNITS GONNA BE SELECTED? ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. SO OVER THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, WE HAVE UTILIZED THE EQUITY APPROACH IN DOING THIS. UH, WE HAVE REFINED IT EVERY YEAR. AND SO WE'RE USING THE SAME EQUITY, UH, METRIC FOR THIS, FOR MINOR REPAIR. TRADITIONALLY WE HAD A VERY BIG WAITING LIST. UM, IT BECAME ALMOST TOO BIG. SO WE, UH, LET EVERYONE KNOW WHO HAD AN APPLICATION IN THE WAITING LIST TO REAPPLY THIS YEAR. APPLICATIONS CLOSED LAST FRIDAY. WE GOT OVER 200 APPLICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOTTERY. UM, AND AGAIN, WE, THE DISTRIBUTION BY COUNCIL DISTRICT IS, UH, BASED ON THE EQUITY SCORE AND WE'RE FURTHER REFINING IT IN THE LOTTERY SYSTEM SO THAT, UM, THERE'S SOME CRITERIA WE DEVELOP TO MAKE SURE WE TARGET, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT FOR LOW ON, UH, THE EQUITY OFFICES EQUITY MATRIX. SO WE PRIORITIZE THEM. WE ARE PRIORITIZING SENIORS AND, UM, VETERANS. WE'RE ALSO, UH, LOOKING AT RED LINED AREAS SO THEY GET MORE POINTS, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE LOTTERY. SO, UM, THE LOTTERY'S GONNA BE ON FRIDAY. WE, UM, WE INVITE OUR STAFF TO, TO DO THAT. WE'LL ALSO RECORD IT AND THEN WE'LL SEE, UM, WHETHER THE CITY, UM, HAVE THESE. UM, BUT I'LL DISTRIBUTE THAT LIST. UM, IT IS USING THE EQUITY METRICS MATRIX. UM, AND SO TYPICALLY WE HAVE A LOT MORE APPLICATIONS IN DISTRICT FIVE UH, FOUR, THREE, AND TWO, UH, THAN OTHER DISTRICTS. OKAY. UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST WRAP UP HERE BECAUSE ONE THING [01:05:01] THAT WE LOST TRACK OR WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD OF SINCE WE'VE ENTERED THE PANDEMIC IS THE PILOT PROGRAMS THAT WE, AS A CITY WERE LOOKING TO DO WITH THE DILAPIDATED AND ABANDONED HOMES. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE WITHIN THAT PROGRAM, BUT MADAM CHAIR, IF WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT PARTICULAR PILOT PROGRAM OR WHERE WE'RE, OR IF WE'RE GONNA RESUME IT, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT COME FORWARD AS WELL. THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ED, COUNCIL MEMBER, AND I'LL MAKE NOTE OF THAT. UM, REQUEST, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TINO, I'M SORRY, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER? I THOUGHT MAYBE I SAW YOUR HAND. NO, I DO. SORRY, I JUST, I COULDN'T FIND MY CURSOR. . OKAY. , UM, REGARDING THE MINOR HOME REPAIR, UM, MUCH LIKE THE UNDER ONE ROOF, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TACKLING A LOT OF THE A THE APPLICATIONS, UH, IN, IN A WAY THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HELPING PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT MAY NOT OTHERWISE QUALIFY. FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THOSE THAT MIGHT OWE, UM, BACK TAXES ON, ON, ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES. AND WE HELPED, UM, THIS, UH, COUPLE PEOPLE, UH, FOR THE UNDER ONE ROOF PROGRAM. AND, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR TAX ASSESSOR, ALBERT ESTE, WHO HAS AGREED TO KINDA HELP EXAMINE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT, THAT FOLKS ARE HAVING, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THAT, UM, PROGRAMS THAT, THAT ARE OFFERED BY THE CITY, BUT MANY PEOPLE DON'T QUALIFY BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE BEHIND ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES. UH, HAVE WE BEEN DOING THAT WITH THE MINOR HOME REPAIR AS WELL? UH, YES. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO, WE STARTED WITH THE OWNER OCCUPIED REHAB PROGRAM, BUT WE'RE STARTING TO DO IT WITH MINOR REPAIR AS WELL, IS WE DO AN ACTUAL ORIENTATION SESSION WHERE WE TELL APPLICANTS ABOUT OTHER, UH, THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD LOOK AT FOR, SO WE FIND AN APPLICANT WHO HAPPENS TO BE A SENIOR CITIZEN, WE LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR THE SENIOR CITIZEN TAX EXEMPTION. UM, AND SO WE HAVE THAT PARTNERSHIP AS WELL. SOMETIMES WE LAYER THE PROGRAM, SO THERE HAVE BEEN HOMES THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED A FOUNDATION ISSUE WITH MINOR REPAIR AND THEN COME BACK AND DONE A ROOF WITH THE UNDER ONE ROOF PROGRAM. AND JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, WITH THE MINOR REPAIR PROGRAM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING, THEY SAID, UH, FOR THIS PORTION OF THE MONEY TO OUTSOURCE 60 UNITS, BUT OUR STAFF IS STILL GONNA DELIVER THE REST OF THE UNITS IN HOUSE. SO, UH, TOTAL IS HERE FOR THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DELIVER 40 MINOR REPAIR, UH, UNITS, AND 16 OF THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO BE OUTSOURCED, UM, TO . UM, BUT COUNCILMAN, WE GOT IN A LOT BETTER, UH, MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT OTHER PROGRAMS AND THAT WE CROSS REFERENCE, UM, AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF WHAT OTHER THINGS THEY QUALIFY. THERE'S, THERE'S, GIVEN SOME FOLKS THAT WE REFER TO TITLE CLEARANCE, UM, THANKS TO COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ, UM, WE HAVE INFORMATION IF THEY HAVE, UM, IF THEY DON'T HAVE CLEAR TITLE, THAT THEY CAN HAVE RESOURCES TO HELP WITH THAT AND EVENTUALLY QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAMS AS WELL. THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT PROGRAM TOO. AGAIN, I WOULD, IF, IF WE COULD THOUGH, I, I, I WOULD, UH, ENCOURAGE US TO MAYBE FIND A WAY TO, UM, WORK, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE, UH, TAX ASSESSOR SO THAT HE CAN OUTLINE, UH, SOME OF THE TOOLS HE HAS AVAILABLE TO HIM. UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE, UH, UM, THE OVER 65 EXEMPTION THAT MANY, UH, RETIREES HAVE AVAILABLE. HIS OFFICE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THE APPRAISAL OFFICE, IS THE, UH, WHAT HE HAS ALSO IS THE DEFERMENT. THAT'S WHAT GETS PEOPLE BACK, UH, ON, ON GOOD STANDING WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY TAXES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D LIKE FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF THEM SO THAT, SO THAT THEY DON'T FEEL, UH, DISCOURAGED, UH, TO APPLY. UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, WITH THAT, UH, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER TRAVINO. COUNCIL MEMBER GERRAN. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, QUESTION FOR THE MINOR HOME REPAIR. DID WE, IT'S WAS ME SAID, UH, THAT WAS, I DIDN'T HEAR IT, BUT THAT WAS A R F P OR WE DID THAT OUT, OR NO? YES, WE DID. WE DID A PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THAT. OKAY. UM, I SHARED THE TIMELINE [01:10:01] FOR THAT. OKAY. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE, UH, PUT THEIR NAME WENT FOR THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS? HOW MANY? ACTUALLY, ONLY ONE. SO WE ONLY HAD ONE, UH, RESPONDENT. OKAY. OKAY. AND, UM, I DO, UM, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH HOW YOU ALSO ARE, ARE DOING THE FUNDING FOR THE, UH, C H D O APPLICANT FOR THE RECOMMENDED FUNDING AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE, LET EVERYONE DO IT SUCCESSFULLY AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT SUCCESSFULLY. AND SO I THINK YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, ARE ON AND, UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. AND SO WITH THAT, I, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE BOTH ITEMS FOR FULL COUNSEL CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. UH, THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEMS NUMBER ONE. UH, THREE, UM, ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE. UH, DID I GET THAT RIGHT? FOUR AND FIVE? YES. YEAH, FOUR AND FIVE. OKAY. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UM, ALRIGHT. NO, UH, NO, NO ONE IN OPPOSITION. SO, UH, MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH BEAL FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND [6. 20-7289 Briefing on the City’s options to prevent Source of Income Discrimination [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, FAICP, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services]] WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX, BRIEFING ON THE CITY'S OPTION TO PREVENT SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION. LORI ARVEO? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER, THIS IS OUR LAST ITEM AND VE SOTO IS GONNA PRESENT THIS ONE AS WELL. WE'VE BEEN WORKING OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS ON A SOURCE OF INCOME, UM, DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE TO PREVENT THAT TYPE OF DISCRIMINATION. WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. WE WANNA PRESENT TO YOU THE TWO OPTIONS, UM, THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, GET SOME FEEDBACK, CONTINUE ON WITH THE SHIP SO WE CAN BRING IT BACK IN EARLY 2021 FOR ADOPTION VETO. THANK YOU, LAURIE. UM, SO LAST MONTH WE PRESENTED A GENERAL BRIEFING, UM, ON THE FIRST OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION AND WHAT IT IS. UM, AND TODAY WE'RE GONNA PRESENT WHAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, AND SO THE NEXT SLIDE JUST GENERALLY DEFINES WHAT IS SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION. SO IT, IT IS EXACTLY, UM, WHAT IT DESCRIBES DISCRIMINATING AGAINST A POTENTIAL TENANT OR A POTENTIAL HOME BUYER BASED ON THEIR LAWFUL FORM OF INCOME, SUCH AS THE HOUSING VOUCHER. AND SO THIS IS, UM, NOT ALLOWING, UM, A TENANT TO RENT OR ENDING A TENANCY FOR A RENTER BECAUSE, UH, HOW THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PAY THE RENT IS A VOUCHER AS OPPOSED TO THEIR EARNED INCOME THROUGH WORK. WHAT A SOURCE OF INCOME IS, UH, DISCRIMINATION IS NOT, IS DENYING AN APPLICANT BASE ON, UH, THEIR ABILITY TO PAY THE ADVERTISEMENT AS LONG AS THEY CAN PAY THE ADVERTISEMENT TO THEIR INCOME OR THE VOUCHER. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, SO THAT'S THE DEFINITION. AND, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE PRACTITIONERS AND THOSE IN THE FIELD, UM, OF HOUSING AND, UM, TENANTS RIGHTS. UH, THEY ARE THE GOALS OF HAVING SUCH AN ORDINANCE. FIRST, IT DOES HELP TO INCREASE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR THE HOLDERS, UH, OF VOUCHERS. SO NOT HAVING THIS KIND OF PROTECTION DOES ALLOW SOME PEOPLE TO BE TURNED AWAY. UM, AND SO THE HOUSING AVAILABLE FOR VOUCHER HOLDERS IS MORE LIMITED. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THE VOUCHER, UH, HOLDERS TEND TO BE, OR THE PEOPLE WHO ACCEPT VOUCHERS, TEND TO BE IN AREAS THAT HAVE OTHER LOWER INCOME, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, LOWER INCOME FAMILIES. SO WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT YOU END UP WITH CONCENTRATED POVERTY WITH VOUCHER HOLDERS HAVING TO GO TO AREAS WHERE THERE ARE OTHER LOW INCOME HOUSING AVAILABLE. UM, AND SO YOU POTENTIALLY REDUCE CONCENTRATED POVERTY BY HAVING A SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE. IT ALSO MAKES IT EASIER FOR COMMUNITIES TO USE FEDERAL RESOURCES. AGAIN, WHEN, WHEN SOME PEOPLE TURN VOUCHER HOLDERS AWAY, IT COULD MEAN THAT IT TAKES LONGER FOR THEM TO FIND THE UNIT THAT THEY CAN RENT. IF THEY'RE TRYING TO GET INTO 10 PLACES AND FIVE THEM SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T COME HERE. SO THAT TIME MEANS THAT A MONTH OR TWO, UH, IS NOT SPENT RENTING A UNIT BECAUSE THEY GOT TURNED AWAY. SO THAT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS WHERE THE FEDERAL RESOURCE WAS NOT UTILIZED BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A RENTER USING THAT VOUCHER. AND WE KNOW THAT THIS CAN ALSO SUPPORT OUR MARGINALIZED HOUSEHOLDS SINCE VOUCHER [01:15:01] HOLDERS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY ELDERLY, DISABLED PEOPLE OF COLOR, AND OR THEY ARE EXTREMELY LOW INCOME. SO THIS IS WHY SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE ADVANCED AND ADOPTED SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCES. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME PROTECTIONS AS THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS. UM, AND THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS THAT DO HAVE PROTECTIONS BUILT IN. SO FOR EXAMPLE, FEDERAL, LIKE THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, THE HOME AND C C B D PROGRAM, UM, THAT HUD HAS PROHIBIT SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION FOR PROPERTIES THAT RECEIVE THIS FEDERAL FUNDING. SO SOMEONE WHO ACCEPTS THE MONEY ALSO ACCEPTS THE FACT THAT THEY WILL MAKE THEIR PROPERTIES AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE HOUSING VOUCHERS. THERE ARE 17, 17 STATES THAT HAVE STATEWIDE STATUTES THAT HAVE THIS SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT OF OF COLUMBIA. THERE WAS RECENTLY A NATIONAL STUDY THAT DID INCLUDE THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA, AND DALLAS IS THE ONLY CITY IN TEXAS THAT CURRENTLY HAS A SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE. SO INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY WE'RE FINDINGS THAT WHEN YOU HAD AN ORDINANCE LIKE THIS IN PLACE, THE ACCEPTANCE OF VOUCHERS DID INCREASE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. SO WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, JUST SOME DATA YOU HAD ASKED, UM, TO GATHER ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD BE IMPACTED. THE MAIN ADMINISTRATOR OF VOUCHERS IN OUR AREA IS BAJA, THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING AUTHORITY. THEY HAVE 13,000 HOUSEHOLDS THAT RECEIVE HOUSING VOUCHERS AND THEY HAVE, UM, OVER 7,000 FAMILIES ON A WAITING LIST AFTER THAT. THE BEXAR COUNTY HOUSING AUTHORITY ALSO HAS, UM, OVER, UM, OR 1800 HOUSEHOLDS WITH A VOUCHER. SOME OF THOSE MAY BE FAMILIES THAT, UH, END UP LIVING IN THE CITY LIMITS BECAUSE IT'S COUNTYWIDE. THEY TOO HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL WAIT LIST. AND WE HAVE, UH, OVER 14,800 VOUCHER HOLDERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND MANY FAMILIES ON THE WAITING LIST. WE KNOW THAT THE AREA AGENCY COG, UH, ALSO RUNS, UH, SMALLER POOLS OF VOUCHERS AS OF THE VA. UM, AND MANY OF THOSE RECIPIENTS CAN BE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND THE COUNTY, UH, AND EVEN BEYOND, UM, THROUGH THOSE OTHER PROGRAMS. SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S OVER 2000, UH, OWNERS RENTING, UH, WITH VOUCHER HOLDERS. AND THIS INFORMATION, OF COURSE CHANGES. UM, SO THIS IS JUST HOW MANY FAMILIES ARE POTENTIALLY IMPACTED IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT ORDINANCE ATTEMPTS IN IN THE STATE. SO THE CITY OF AUSTIN DID TRY TO HAVE A CITYWIDE SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE ADOPTED BACK IN 2014, BUT THIS WAS STRUCK DOWN BY THE STATE IN 2015. AND FURTHER, THE STATE PREEMPTED CITIES FROM ADOPTING SIMILAR CITYWIDE ORDINANCES. HOWEVER, DALLAS ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE IN 2016 THAT APPLIED TO CITY SUPPORTED PROPERTIES AND TO VETERANS ONLY. AND SO THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS STAYED PROHIBITED. UM, SO HOW IT WOULD WORK IN SAN ANTONIO IS DESCRIBED IN THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, WHAT WE WOULD DO, AND THIS IS IN CONSULTATION, UM, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE. AND IN THAT SECTION IS WHERE WE WOULD LOOK TO ADD THE SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE. SO AGAIN, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT HOW WOULD THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, IMPLEMENT SUCH AN ORDINANCE AND IT WOULD BE TO THIS SECTION OF THE CITY'S, UH, CODE, UH, WITHIN OUR CITY'S NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE LANGUAGE. UM, AND SO WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR SAN ANTONIO THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE NEXT SLIDE? AS LORI MENTIONED, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS. AGAIN, LIKE IN DALLAS, WE CAN PROHIBIT SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION IN CITIES SUPPORTED PROPERTIES, AND WE CAN ALSO PROHIBIT SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION CITYWIDE FOR VETERANS ONLY. THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE, CITY SUPPORTED PROPERTIES MEANS. IN THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, IS DESCRIBED THAT ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE RECEIVING SUPPORT FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO INCENTIVES ESSENTIALLY, UM, WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS ORDINANCE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, INVESTMENTS THROUGH THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, THE BOND PROGRAM, CENTRAL CITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, UM, INCLUDING FEE WAIVERS, LOANS, TAX ABATEMENT, AND OF COURSE THE GRANT AWARDS THAT OUR DEPARTMENT MADE, UH, SIMILAR TO, UM, WHAT [01:20:01] YOU APPROVED EARLIER. AND SO AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ONLY INCLUDE CITY SUPPORTED PROPERTIES HAVING TO FOLLOW THIS. AND THIS WOULD BE APPLIED, UH, POST ORDINANCE. SO NOTHING RETROACTIVE ALL OF IT GOING FORWARD FOR, UM, THE, THE SEX, THIS OPTION. THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT, UM, WHAT WE WOULD HAVE IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE. UH, ALL OF OUR SUPPORTS HAVE SOME KIND OF COMPLIANCE PERIOD, AND SO IT'S TIED TO AFFORDABILITY AND AFFORDABILITY COVENANTS. AND SO THAT'S THE PERIOD THAT WOULD APPLY FOR SUCH, UM, UM, A SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY AS LONG AS THE, UH, AFFORDABILITY, AFFORDABILITY PERIOD AND COVENANT WAS IN PLACE. IT WOULD APPLY TO WORTH OF ALL SIZES, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE LIMITED IF YOU THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE GETTING MAYBE $5,000. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO EITHER HANDS FOR 15 YEARS. UM, IT COULD BE, UH, BASED ON THE SITE, AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, IT WOULD BE ONLY FUTURE CONTRACTS. WE WOULD NOT LOOK AT EXISTING, UH, OR DO THIS RETROACTIVELY. UM, AND WE ARE AWARE THAT THE SAN DONOR HEALTH INTEREST IS ALREADY LOOKING AT TENANT PROTECTION. SO THIS, UH, OPTION ALIGNS WITH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT THE SAN ANTONIO HEALTH TRUST IS ALREADY LOOKING AT WITH REGARDS TO THE SECOND OPTION. THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT THE OPTIONS FOR VETERANS. AGAIN, UH, STATE LAW DOES NOT PROHIBIT US FROM INSTITUTING A SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION SPECIFIC FOR THIS CLASS OF INDIVIDUALS. FOR VETERANS. THIS WOULD APPLY TO ALL RENTAL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE IDENTIFYING VETERANS AS A CLASS THAT'S PROTECTED IN OUR, UH, NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE. SO AGAIN, THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, AGAIN, HAS, UM, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO FOR THIS ONE, WE WOULD TRY TO CONTINUE THAT THROUGH OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLA, UH, PLAN PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE PART OF THAT, INCLUDING THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, , UM, VETERANS AFFAIRS, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN HELP US WITH MAKING SURE THE WORD IS OUT FOR THIS ONE. UM, THE LAST SLIDE TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS. WE KNOW THAT IF THE CITY DOES HAVE, UM, SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE HAVE TO BE READY TO ADDRESS ANY COMPLAINTS, UM, AND POSSIBLY, UM, INVESTIGATING THERE ARE COMPLAINTS. SO WE HAVE, UH, A WAY FORWARD IF, IF WE DO THIS, UH, OF COURSE WE NEED TO FLESH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO, UH, ENSURE WE HAVE A GOOD PROCESS. BUT IF THERE WERE COMPLAINTS, IT COULD COME TO 3 1 1 OR FOR HOUSING TEAM, WE COULD DO TESTING AS WELL WITH, UH, AN AGENCY THAT DOES FAIR HOUSING WORK SO THAT WE COULD TEST PROPERTIES, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT ORDINANCE. AND THEN, THEN OF COURSE YOU'D HAVE SOME KIND OF PENALTY, UM, AND IT COULD BE A PROGRESSIVE KIND OF PENALTY. WE BELIEVE YOU MAY NOT HAVE FOLLOWED THIS ORDINANCE. HERE'S THE TRAINING, HERE'S MANDATORY COMPLIANCE TRAINING. UM, HERE'S FINES IF, IF, IF THAT'S THE ROUTE WE WANNA TAKE ON ENFORCEMENT. AND THEN, UM, IF WE FIND THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS NOT IN FOLLOWING WITH THIS, OF COURSE WE COULD, UM, GET CLAWBACK PROVISIONS TO, UM, GET THE MONEY BACK. THAT WAS THE INCENTIVE PROVIDED AND POSSIBLY BE BARRING, UM, THE ENTITY SO THAT THEY COULDN'T RECEIVE FUTURE CONTRACTS. SO IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, THE NEXT SLIDE HAS THAT. SO AGAIN, BASED ON THE DIRECTION YOU PROVIDE, WE CAN DEVELOP AN ORDINANCE FOR CITY SUPPORTED PROPERTIES FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING ON HOW THAT WOULD WORK. UM, WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THE ORDINANCE RELATED TO VETERANS SINCE WE WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE PUBLIC OUTREACH NEEDED FOR THAT SINCE IT WOULD APPLY CITYWIDE FOR THIS SPECIFIC CLASS. SO THE ORDINANCE COULD BE DONE AHEAD OF THE SHIP PROCESS. THE VETERANS WERE RECOMMENDED AND BE DONE AS PART OF THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN BECAUSE YOU NEED A LOT OF PUBLIC INFORMATION, UH, TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE ABOUT THIS AND POSSIBLY, AND I SAY SPEAK UP CAMPAIGN. AND THEN OF COURSE, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, ORDINANCE IS IMPORTANT AS WELL. SO WE WOULD ENSURE THAT LANDLORDS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES ARE AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE ENFORCEMENT THAT BECOMES A PART OF THAT. AND ALSO MAKING SURE RENTERS ARE AWARE THAT THIS IS NOW PART OF THE RIGHTS THAT WOULD BE AFFORDED. AND OF COURSE, HOW TO REPORT ANY FUTURE VIOLATIONS. AND SO THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE CITY TO PURSUE. [01:25:01] AND THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, VEL. SO, UM, CAN I ASK, SO YOU PRESENTED AS ONE OR THE OTHER. SO WHY DO YOU, WHY DO YOU DO THAT? WHY, WHY COULDN'T WE DO BOTH? YOU, YOU CAN DO BOTH. UM, I PRESENTED AS TWO OPTIONS, BUT YOU CAN DO BOTH. YOU CAN HAVE, UM, THE LIMITATION APPLIED TO CITY SUPPORTED PROPERTIES. AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT, UH, WE CAN DO. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, UM, ACCEPTED BY THE STATE. AND THEN YOU CAN DO FOR VETERANS, THE TIMING IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING CAN BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE FOR VETERANS, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CITYWIDE BASED ON A CLASS, YOU WOULD NEED A WIDER, UH, EDUCATION CAMPAIGN, IF YOU WILL. OKAY. UM, SO THEN ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE, UM, SO WHERE DID, HOW DID THIS COME ABOUT? SO THERE WAS NO C C R OR, UM, THAT I KNOW OF, RIGHT? IT DIDN'T, IT CAME AS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING COUNCILMAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. AND THEN THERE WERE SEVERAL COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, UM, OUR CAS, OUR CAAS AND OTHERS THAT WERE, UM, ASKING ABOUT THIS AND PROPOSING THIS. AND THERE WAS NOT A C C R ISSUE BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE WERE ALREADY EXPLORING IT. AND SO WHAT WE DO THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND INCORPORATE IT INTO OUR HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. OKAY. AND SO, UM, THEN, UH, I GUESS THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF TIME FOR FEEDBACK, RIGHT? FROM, FROM BOTH. YES. WE'LL BE THINKING, YEAH, WE WANTED TO TAKE THIS TO THIS COMMITTEE, BUT THEN WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH, UM, SEVERAL STAKEHOLDERS, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING STAKEHOLDERS TO INCLUDE THE REAL ESTATE, UM, STAKEHOLDERS, THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION TO GET MORE FEEDBACK BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. YEAH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THAT. AND ALSO, UM, THAT IT'S ALL LEGAL AND, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD HOPE IS A GIVEN, BUT NOT ALWAYS. SO, UM, AND I GUESS JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, I MEAN THERE'S 14,600 WAIT LISTED VOUCHERS, UM, BUT ONLY 2,287 OWNER. UH, I GUESS IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, WE HAVE A REALLY LARGE DISCONNECT. SO THESE ARE PEOPLE WAITING. I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS THAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE, ARE THEY FINDING A PLACE TO LIVE? SO WE REACHED OUT TO SAHA, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ABOUT THIS. UM, AND VOUCHER HOLDERS HAVE, UM, MANY CHALLENGES. LIKE MANY RENTERS, UM, THEY HAVE NOT REPORTED THIS AS A WIDE PROBLEM, BUT SAHA DOES SAY THAT SOMETIMES IT IS HARD FOR THEM TO GET LANDOWNERS TO AGREE. UM, THEY, THEY HAVE A LOT OF EDUCATION WHEN A NEW LANDOWNER THAT HAS AN ACCEPTED VOUCHER, DISPERSED APPROACH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT HAPPENS AND THERE'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK THAT THEY, THEY TOO HAVE TO FILL OUT. SO SOME PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T, UM, DON'T PARTICIPATE MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT'S A VOUCHER HOLDER, UM, BUT THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET ADDITIONAL CRITERIA. UM, THERE'S INSPECTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, IN, IN SOME PROPERTY OWNERS HERE THAT INSPECTIONS ARE GONNA TURN UP OTHER THINGS. UM, WE HAD ASKED SAHA TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, TO ANSWER THESE KINDS OF QUESTIONS THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO, UM, GATHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, SO MAY HAVE, SO WE CAN GET THEIR FORMAL RESPONSE. BUT IN JUST IN TALKING ABOUT THIS, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THEY SHARED. OKAY. I DO THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM THEM. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS IT CAN COME TO OUR NEXT MEETING. I THINK THERE'LL BE A COUPLE OF VET, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO VET THIS, UM, UH, THIS A FEW TIMES BEFORE IT GOES TO THE FULL COUNCIL SO WE CAN, UM, ANTICIPATE THEM, UM, PARTICIPATING. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL JUST INVITE THEM AGAIN. I, I GUESS I THINK THEY HAVE SOME, A LEADERSHIP CHANGE. SO, UM, PERHAPS THE NEW CHAIR OR THE NEW DIRECTOR MIGHT, UM, ALLOW US TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS SINCE I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH OF IT, UM, HAS TO DO WITH THOSE VOUCHERS, UH, AND WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE, UM, UM, UH, SUBMITTING VOUCHERS. SO. OKAY. WELL THEN, UM, [01:30:01] YOU KNOW, I I I I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD DO BOTH. UM, AND, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK, UM, BUT PERHAPS WE COULD HEAR FROM SOME OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS, UH, BEFORE WE PROCEED FURTHER. THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I'M, I FEEL LIKE WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE. UM, 'CAUSE I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I FEEL LIKE WHAT'S REPORTED HERE IS THAT LIKE WHAT THE IMPACT MAY BE FOR ONE GROUP OR THE OTHER, OR BOTH. UM, JUST IN, JUST, UM, BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM SOME VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO THIS WORK AS WELL. SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE I, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME OTHER STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE WE DECIDE, BUT LET ME TURN IT OVER TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS. AND, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE HANDS RAISED HERE, STARTING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UH, I AGREE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS WHO WANT TO BE HEARD ON THIS ISSUE SHOULD BE HEARD ON THIS ISSUE. UH, BUT I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE REPORTED TO ME ANECDOTALLY THAT THEY KNOW PEOPLE WHO WERE REJECTED BECAUSE THEY HAD A VOUCHER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE RELIABLE, OR BECAUSE THEY HAD A VOUCHER, THEY WERE BASICALLY POOR AND THEREFORE MAY NOT PAY THEIR RENT AND DEFAULT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S A MATTER OF EDUCATION, VERONICA, THAT THE MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW THE VOUCHER PROGRAM WORKS AND, AND THE GUARANTEE BEHIND IT FROM SAHA, MAYBE THE MORE COMFORTABLE THEY'LL FEEL. AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE, HAVE TO BE PART OF THIS PROGRAM IF IT MOVES FORWARD, IS A LOT OF EDUCATION. UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE THAT I CONSIDER, UH, TO BE, UH, A CITY INCENTIVE WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, SAWS FEES THAT ARE WAIVED FOR DEVELOPERS OR BUILDERS. AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT INDICATED AS THE KIND OF INCENTIVE THAT WE MIGHT ASK THE, UH, BUILDER, IF WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THIS INCENTIVE, WILL YOU ALLOW ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY KIND OF, UH, SOURCE OF INCOME UNDER THESE REGULATIONS TO LIVE IN YOUR UNITS? SO I HOPE WE CAN EXPLORE THAT MORE. THE, THE SAME THING IF C P S HAVE SOME KIND OF WAIVERS IN A DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. 'CAUSE IF THE CITY'S GONNA GIVE, THE CITY SHOULD ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT IN RETURN, UH, TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT OR IN THE CITY. SO YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE THOSE EXAMINED A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY AND SEE IF THEY FIT INTO THOSE CRITERIA. BUT THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM, TO, TO SPEAK ON THE ASPECT OF UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE GONNA SPEAK TO OUR LANDLORDS THAT ARE VOUCHER, UM, RECEIVERS AND, AND WANNA BE PARTICIPATORY. A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S A STIGMA THAT COMES WITH THE VOUCHER. SO DO WE KNOW WHAT THE EDUCATIONAL, UM, ASPECT WILL BE TO HELP, UM, EVEN MORE LANDLORDS WANNA BE PARTICIPATORY IN THIS PROCESS WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE VOUCHER TRULY IS, WHAT THE VOUCHER TRULY DOES, WHO QUALIFIES FOR A VOUCHER? UM, WHY DOES THIS VOUCHER, UH, QUALIFY FOR THIS PARTICULAR FAMILY AND HOW THEY CAN TRULY SPEAK TO HELPING UPLIFT THIS FAMILY IF THEY'RE RECEIVING A VOUCHER? THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS. UM, I REALLY WISH SAHA HAD BEEN ABLE TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE, UM, PROGRAMS WHERE THEY DO THE EDUCATION FOR POTENTIAL VOUCHER HOLDERS. UM, I, I THINK THEY, THEY WOULD BE THE ONES TO BETTER ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. IF THE CITY WERE TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE, WE WERE TO PARTNER WITH THEM TO DO THIS. WE WOULD HOPE THAT AS PART OF THAT ADDITIONAL EDUCATION CAMPAIGN, MORE PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN RENTING TO VOUCHER HOLDERS AS WELL. BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET, UM, MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT SAHA DOES, UH, CURRENTLY TO HAVE LANDLORDS BE PART OF THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN BETO, WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE LANDLORDS WHO ARE ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY AND ARE ASSISTING, UM, WITH THEIR HOMES BEING USED FOR, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HOLDING THESE VOUCHERS, HOW ARE WE REACHING OUT TO THOSE ACTIVE DUTY LANDLORDS? AGAIN, WE WOULD RELY A LOT ON OUR PARTNERS AT THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE, WE GET THE WORD OUT. UM, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION IS IT INCLUDES LARGE AND SMALL LANDLORDS, UM, AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES AS WELL. SO WE WOULD, [01:35:01] WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM IN THE REALTOR COMMUNITY TO GET THE WORD OUT TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO WORKING WITH THE VETERAN, UM, ONLY ORDERED IT HAVE, WE REACHED OUT TO THE VASH CASE MANAGERS AT THE VA ARE WITH FAMILY ENDEAVORS, BECAUSE I KNOW THOSE ARE THE TWO, UM, CASE MANAGEMENT FACILITIES FOR VETERAN VOUCHERS. UH, WE HAVE, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE NONPROFITS, SO EVERYONE WHO ADMINISTERS VOUCHERS, UM, IS AWARE THAT WE'RE RESEARCHING THIS, UH, BECAUSE WE ASKED THEM FOR THEIR NUMBERS AND IF THEY HAD HEARD, UM, OR HAD TRACKED IF, IF THIS WAS AN ISSUE AS WELL. SO WE REACHED OUT TO THEM, BUT WE WOULD CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. OKAY. UM, AND THEN UNDER THE CITY AND COUNTY, DO YOU KNOW WHEN ADDITIONAL VOUCHERS WILL BE PROVIDED FOR SAHA OR FOR THE COUNTY OR HAS ANY CONVERSATION TAKEN PLACE ON A FEDERAL LEVEL OR STATE LEVEL ON WHEN WE MIGHT BE RECEIVING ADDITIONAL VOUCHERS? UM, ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. IT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, I THINK IS PART OF THEIR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AS WELL. UM, BUT WE ALL, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WAITING LIST NUMBERS SHOW, UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT QUALIFY FOR THE VOUCHERS THAN THERE ARE VOUCHERS AVAILABLE. SO OF COURSE WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE THE WIDER, UH, USE AND AVAILABILITY AND MORE FUNDING FOR VOUCHERS. UM, NOT JUST IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT YOU KNOW, NATIONAL. OKAY. UM, AND I LIKE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES THE VOUCHERS ARE EITHER USED FOR AN APARTMENT OR THEY'RE USED FOR A HOUSE. UM, BUT NOW WE KNOW THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT, UM, AVAILABILITIES THROUGH EITHER SHORT TERM RENTALS OR EVEN AIRBNBS OR EMERGENCY VOUCHERS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO USE FOR, UM, ALTERNATIVE, UH, HOUSING. AND SO I WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE IS A PROGRAM THAT'S BEING CREATED THAT CAN KIND OF SPEAK TOWARDS THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR HOMELESS POPULATION. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT AND, AND SEE WHAT ELSE IS BEING PROPOSED. SO A LOT OF CREATIVE IDEAS BEING PROPOSED AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM WILL BE FULLY FLESHED OUT, BUT, UM, WE'LL GET THAT, UH, TO YOU AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN, UM, THE LAST QUESTION THAT I'LL ASK IS, UNDER THIS PROGRAM, HOW DO WE PROTECT VOUCHER HOLDERS, UM, FROM PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WILL TRY TO INCREASE, UH, THE RENTAL RATES OF THOSE UNITS? UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO EITHER FLUSH OUT VOUCHER HOLDERS OR, UM, THEY'RE NOT WANTING TO SEE VOUCHER HOLDERS BE A PART OF THE PROCESS? ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION. SO THAT GOES TO THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS THAT BECOME PART OF THE ORDINANCE AND ALSO TO THE PENALTIES THAT YOU IMPOSE IF YOU DO FIND THAT SOMEONE IS DOING THAT. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CARROT IN THE STICK, SO THE PENALTIES ARE THAT ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM FOR THIS PARTICULAR KIND OF FOR THEM. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION THIS TIME. UM, AND SO UNDER, UH, THIS PROGRAM, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF AFFORDABLE UNITS, BUT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ARE A LOT OF UNITS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO OUR SENIORS. ARE WE LOOKING TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE UNITS UNDER OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR VOUCHER PROGRAM TO BE DEDICATED FOR SENIORS? I DON'T THINK WE SPECIFIED, UH, A CATEGORY, UH, OTHER THAN THE VETERANS. UM, IN OUR LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM, WE SAID VOUCHERS AND BASH, UM, BUT WE DIDN'T SPECIFY. WE DO KNOW THAT A LOT OF VOUCHER FOLDERS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY ELDERLY, BUT WE KNOW IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM. BUT WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY VOUCHERS JUST FOR SENIORS. UH, WE JUST ASK FOR MORE VOUCHERS. IF THE COMMUNITY GETS MORE VOUCHERS, WE KNOW, UH, SENIOR CITIZENS WOULD BENEFIT FROM THOSE. OKAY. SO, UM, ONE THING I LIKE TO SEE AS WE GO FORWARD TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOW WE'RE BUILDING AND, AND MAKING UNITS AVAILABLE IS THAT WE START LOOKING AT UNITS THAT ARE, ARE SPECIFIC FOR OUR SENIORS. UM, WE KNOW A LOT OF THEM DURING THIS PANDEMIC WERE DISPLACED, UM, BECAUSE EITHER THE RENT WENT UP OR THEIR VOUCHERS JUST DIDN'T AND TRYING TO GET MEDICATION AND THINGS THAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR CONTINUOUS DAILY DAY-TO-DAY LIVES HAS BECOME A CHALLENGE. AND SO WE CAN START LOOKING AT SPECIFIC UNITS BEING BUILT OR ADVOCATED FOR WITHIN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. BUT THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILWOMAN ANDREW, UH, JADA. ANDREW SULLIVAN, COUNCIL MEMBER TRAVINA. UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. AND I GUESS, VERA, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ASKING, UH, FOR DIRECTION TO START WORKING ON POLICY? YES. UM, IF, IF THE OPTIONS [01:40:01] ARE ONES THAT, UH, YOU WANT US TO PURSUE SO THAT WE CAN, UM, BRING, UH, AN ORDINANCE WITH A SET TIMELINE FORWARD. AND COUNCILMAN, THIS IS LORI. I WANTED TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE CREATE, WE WANNA CREATE A POLICY IN RESPONSE TO THE SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION. WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU DIRECTION ON ARE WE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? IS THIS TYPE OF POLICY WHAT YOU WERE THINKING? OR ARE THERE OTHER WAYS YOU WANTED US TO PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION? YEAH. SO YES, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE, UM, IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING THE C C R ON THIS, AND I THINK IT IS MORE THAN JUST SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION PROTECTIONS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS. AND I THINK YOU'RE HEARING SOME OF THAT. IN FACT, YOU KNOW, I WANNA, UH, MENTION THAT, UH, THE, THE AMENDMENT TO THE N D O, UH, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I I THINK THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH AND THE, THE, THE ME, THE N D O, UH, IS, IS, IS, UH, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REFERENCE AND ATTACH TO. UM, AND, AND LET'S REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THAT WAS A VERY SERIOUS STRUGGLE, UH, FOR L G B T Q I A AND HUMAN RIGHTS, UH, BUT MAYBE, UH, A NEW POLICY THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE N D O BUT IS TAILORED TO THE NEEDS OF RENTERS WHILE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM STAKEHOLDERS LIKE PROPERTY OWNERS AND VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES, UH, TO GET A, A, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, OF, UH, OF THE POLICY THAT WE NEED. I, I, I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS, HAS THIS NEEDS TO BE A SEPARATE POLICY, UH, NOT AN AMENDMENT TO THE N D O. UH, I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT EXPANDING OUR RIGHT TO COUNSEL PROGRAM INTO POLICY. UH, OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT IT IS PROVEN TO PROVIDE LEGAL AID FOR VULNERABLE RENTERS, UH, AND PREVENTED DISPLACEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PANDEMIC. UM, THIS, THIS ONE POLICY COULD, COULD INCLUDE AS YOU AS WAS MENTIONED, THE VETERANS. THAT WAY WE DON'T, WE DON'T, UH, WE DON'T WANNA CREATE A SEPARATION. IT SHOULD, IT'S, IT'S MORE, UH, OF AN ALL ENCOMPASSING POLICY. UM, AGAIN, YOU, I I, I THINK THAT THIS IS A, A BROADER CONVERSATION. I CERTAINLY WANNA MAKE SURE THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE, ARE, ARE INVOLVED THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, AT LEAST TYPE UP WHAT WE HAD IN OUR C C R. UM, UH, BUT I, I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE CURRENT PRESENTATION OF, OF, OF AMENDING THE N D O IS, IS, IS, IS INCLUSIVE ENOUGH OR, OR GOES FAR ENOUGH. AND I, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, UM, A VERY, VERY, UM, COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. THANK YOU CHAIR. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMAN VERAN, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND, UH, FOR THE QUESTIONS CHAIR. 'CAUSE I WAS WONDERING WHERE THIS DID COME FROM. WAS THIS PART OF THE MAYOR'S HOUSING TASK FORCE POLICY? WAS THIS DISCUSSED IN HIS, IN THAT NO COUNSEL WHEN THE FRAMEWORK TALKED ABOUT, UM, EXPLORING ADDITIONAL TOOLS TO HELP WITH HOUSING PRESERVATION. AND SO AS WE STARTED WORKING ON THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN ON HOW WE IMPLEMENT THE FRAMEWORK, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME ABOUT AS PART OF THAT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WERE SOME STAKEHOLDERS WHO WERE SENDING OUT EMAILS ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO EXPLORE THIS AS WELL. BUT THIS WAS A TOOL THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN ON HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE FRAMEWORK THAT SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT PRESERVING HOUSING. UM, AND THIS WILL BE A TOOL THAT WOULD HELP WITH THAT GOAL. OKAY. UM, SO IN THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU CAN ALSO, UH, YOU CAN ALSO JUST GIVE ME WHAT THE 17 STATES WERE AND, UH, YOU CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME JUST AS FOLLOW UP OR FOR ALL OF US, I GUESS TO THE CHAIR OF WHAT THOSE 17 STATE WHO, WHO THOSE WHAT 17 STATES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN, UM, UH, THOSE ON THE WAIT LIST THEN ARE THEY, COULD, COULD YOU MAKE THE ARGUMENT THEN THAT THOSE THAT ARE ON THE WAIT LIST WITH THE VOUCHERS JUST ARE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST? THAT'S WHY THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PLACE, OR WE REALLY DO NOT HAVE, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH UNITS FOR EVERYONE EITHER. THE, THE WAIT LIST IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOUCHERS FOR THOSE FOLKS. SO THOSE PEOPLE WOULD QUALIFY FOR VOUCHER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OF VOUCHERS THAT IS NEEDED. SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE BEING DISCRIMINATED, IT'S, WE'RE NOT MEETING THE NEED AS A COMMUNITY. OKAY. OKAY. AND I WOULD LOVE, UM, TO GET, UH, MORE INFORMATION. [01:45:02] I REALLY LIKED COUNCIL MEMBER K'S QUESTION ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY, UH, PROJECTS, DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED SOFT FEE WAIVERS? DO WE NEED THAT? AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO COME IN. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO DIG IN AND ASK OURSELVES AND ASK, UH, THE COMMUNITY OR THE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS IF THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN AS WELL WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY INCENTIVES. AND THEN, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE PLENTY OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATION ON THE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS. UM, THINK OUTSIDE OF WHO WE ALREADY USE, UH, WITHIN THE GROUPS THAT YOU REACH OUT TO, PLEASE THINK OUTSIDE OF THAT, UM, CIRCLE AS WELL. UM, OF COURSE, I THINK WE NEED TO, IF THERE IS LIKE A APARTMENT MANAGEMENT GROUP THAT ALSO MEET, WE, LET'S TALK TO THEM. I'D LOVE TO GET, UM, INSIGHT, UH, OR, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE DOING THIS, GETTING INSIGHT FROM THOSE 17 STATES OR THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT DO HAVE THIS, WHAT ARE THE PROS AND THE CONS? WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT THERE ARE MAYBE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT COME THROUGH THIS? UM, I DO AGREE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING SEPARATE AND INDEPENDENT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. UM, I THINK IT IS, IT IS A WORTHY, IT IS A WORTHY DISCUSSION TO BE, UH, CONSIDERING AND, AND VETTING RIGHT NOW. AND DO WE KNOW WHY OR WHY DID THE STATE STRIKE IT DOWN? WHAT WAS, OR WHAT DID THE, WHAT WAS THE REASON THE STATE GAVE AND WHEN DID THEY DO THAT? SO AGAIN, THAT WAS BACK IN 2014 AND IT WAS A REACTION TO WHAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN WAS DOING. UM, I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PUBLIC RECORDS ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUE SARAH ON THAT. UM, BUT I BELIEVE THE STATE THOUGHT IT WAS AN OVERREACH OF A MUNICIPALITY. UM, SO, WELL, I, I WOULD JUST BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF OUR CHRISTINE AND, UH, JEFF'S OFFICE AND G P A HAVE ANY BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THAT IN 2014, BUT I'D BE, I'D BE VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHO WERE THE, UM, THE PROPONENTS AND THE OPPONENTS OF THAT ISSUE, JUST TO SEE A LIST OF OF THEM. AND THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, AND JUST, UM, JUST AS I'M THINKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE 14,000 PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW ARE ON THE WAIT LIST THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS OR THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR VOUCHERS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADDRESS IN THE BOND, UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING? UH, COULD THAT BE PART OF IT OR IS IT PRIMARILY CAPITAL? I THINK THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE SERVICES PART EARLIER, COUNCIL MEMBER. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT WE WILL TALK TO OUR, UM, CITY ATTORNEY AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. OKAY. IT, IT MAY KIND OF GO BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT HOMELESSNESS, THAT WE KNOW THAT, I MEAN, WE KNOW SOME CITIES DID BONDS FOR HOMELESSNESS, FOR HOMELESS PREVENTION. SO COULD WE CREATE THAT? SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WAIT FOR FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE KNOW WE NEED TO COME BACK, UM, TO COMMITTEE AND, AND, UH, AS YOU'RE LIKE LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS FOR, FOR HOUSING FOR US. SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH I THAT THIS CONCLUDES OUR, UH, OUR, OUR PRESENTATION. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DOES JUST, UM, LEAVE ME TO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE ARE DISCUSSING THESE FINAL THINGS, WE KNOW THAT, UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN OUR, UM, OUR, UH, THE MAYOR'S HOUSING COMMISSION, BUT WAS THAT THERE BE KIND OF A FOCUS CENTER FOR HOUSING. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE STILL HAVE, STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO TO GET ALL THOSE THINGS ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE SO MANY OF THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS ARE, UM, IN DIFFERENT, JUST IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. SO I THINK A CONSOLIDATION OF SOME OF THAT WOULD, WOULD HELP AS WELL. SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE COMMENTS AND I KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE VERY FULL AGENDAS, UM, MOVING FORWARD. SO THANKS EVERYBODY FOR HANGING IN THERE. UM, WE'LL SEE EVERYBODY SOON. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.