* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. PROCEED. [00:00:02] YES. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 16TH, 2020. I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. [Roll Call] FERNANDEZ. HERE. TISH? HERE. GIBBS HERE. VELASQUEZ AREOLA CARPENTER. HERE. GROUP BOWMAN. HERE. FETZER HERE. AND LA AND LATON. UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. UM, CAN I, UH, FIRST PLEASE MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE [Chairman’s Statement] CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES. THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL THE CASES ON THE AGENDA, AS WELL AS TO MINIMIZE THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING. APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL HAVE WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. YES. UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING OF 2020. UM, WE DO HAVE A, A LONG AGENDA TODAY, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT THE CASE LIST. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE 17 [CONSENT AGENDA] ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, THERE ARE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARDING ITEMS ON THE INDIVIDUAL CASE AGENDA. ITEM 23, WHICH IS TWO 16 CLUB AS WELL AS ITEM 31 2 2 2. SHERMAN HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, SO GO BACK TO THE CONSENT ITEMS THERE. UM, AGAIN, ITEM 12 IS BEING PULLED AS A REMAINDER, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT SUBMITTED FOR A NUMBER OF THOSE, AND SO I WILL READ THOSE AT THIS TIME. UM, THE FIRST IS ITEM 1 3 0 5. SOLEDAD. UM, PATTY'S IONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY SUBMITS THAT THEY FEEL THAT THE 32 STORY TOWER IS EXCESSIVELY TALL AND WILL OVERWHELM NEARBY LANDMARKS LIKE THE RAND BUILDING AND ROBERT E. LEE HOTEL. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO ALSO OPPOSES THE APPLICATION BY WESTON URBAN TO TAKE OVER PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ON MAIN AND LVAD STREETS TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR NEW DEVELOPMENT. UM, THE NEXT IS ITEM 4 8 27 LAMAR, THAT SUBMIT BY SCOTT RED ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE SUBMIT, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, ITEM 5 4 1 9 SOUTH HACKBERRY. UM, SAME THING. SCOTT RUTT SUBMITS THAT WE SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, ITEM 8 1 26 EAST AGAR. UM, THIS COMES FROM RICHARD GILL, TO WHOM IT WHOM IT MAY CONCERN. MY WIFE MIRANDA GILL. AND I WISH TO VOICE HER OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED EDITION AT 1 26 EAST AGARITA, OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST. THE PROPOSED TWO STORY CONSTRUCTION SEEKS TO USE THE FOOTPRINT OF A NON-CONFORMING CARPORT AS JUSTIFICATION TO BUILD A NEW WING THAT COULD HAVE EASILY ZERO SET, ESSENTIALLY ZERO SETBACK FROM HER PROPERTY LINE IN THE ALLEY. THE WINDOWS, OUR GREATEST CONCERN WILL BE LOOKING DOWN AND DIRECTLY INTO OUR LIVING ROOM. WE FEEL IT WOULD NOT ONLY HARM THE CHARACTER OF BOTH PROPERTIES, BUT SET A TERRIBLE PRECEDENT ACROSS [00:05:01] THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A NEW CONSTRUCTION NOT BE APPROVED AS CURRENTLY DRAWN. THANK YOU. UM, ITEM 11, UM, WHICH IS A, UH, LARGE ITEM WITH MULTIPLE, UH, ADDRESSES FOR HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. UM, THIS COMES FROM SCOTT REDD ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. TAX VERIFICATION IS THE FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE ALL DONE OUR BEST AS CUSTODIANS OF OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. INCOMPLETE, INCOMPLETE COAS WORK ACCOMPLISHED OUTSIDE THE CO A AND NO FIELD INSPECTIONS OR VERIFICATIONS CONSISTENTLY RESULT IN PROJECTS COMPLETED, NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINE. UH, TODAY, EXACTLY ONE HALF OF OUR CASES WERE COMPLETED NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES. WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE STAFF TO CREATE A STANDARD APPLICATION FOR TAX VERIFICATION, INCLUDING THE REQUIRED SITE VISIT TO VERIFY WHERE IT ACCOMPLISHED. THE CURRENT PROCESS IS NOT READY FOR UNFETTERED CONFIDENCE. BINDING THE CASES FOR UNVERIFIED APPROVAL IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD. UM, AND I DO WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. I THINK, UM, UH, WE DECIDED TO, UH, WE, SO TAX VERIFICATION IS A TWO START, TWO, UH, PART PROCESS. THE FIRST IS THE CERTIFICATION, AS YOU KNOW, UM, WHERE SCOPE OF WORK IS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE H D R C. UH, PART TWO CAN COME AT ANY TIME FOLLOWING THE COMPLETION OF THAT WORK. THAT'S THE VERIFICATION AND THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY. AND SO THESE ARE ALL THE VERIFICATIONS WE RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND SO AS WE RECEIVE THEM, WE DID REVIEW THEM ALL INDIVIDUALLY AND PERFORMED THE SITE VISITS TO VERIFY THAT THE SCOPE OF WORK WAS COMPLETED AS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. UM, SO WE HAVE NOT, UH, DISCOVERED ANY VIOLATIONS AT ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES, AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY SPECIFIC REPORTS OF VIOLATIONS AT THOSE PROPERTIES. UM, SO THAT CONCLUDES THE COMMENTS ON CONSENT ITEMS. UM, FOLLOWING THOSE, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MOVE TO, UH, APPROVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 11 AND ITEMS 13 THROUGH 17 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. SECOND. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS. AYE. UM, MR. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ JOINED US. NO. CARPENTER. CARPENTER? AYE. OKAY. THERE HE IS. BOWMAN. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 12. UM, STEPHANIE, ARE YOU THERE TO UNMUTE YOU, STEPHANIE? YES, I HAVE. UM, NATE ON THE LINE. DID YOU WANT ME TO READ THE RECOMMENDATION? UM, VERY QUICKLY, PLEASE. OKAY. HOLD ON. OR IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS US TO ADDRESS, LET'S, LET'S GET TO THAT. YES. SO THE APPLICANT, [20-7326 Address/Description: 309 DEVINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-526 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Nathan Manfred/French & Michigan Request: Construction of a rear addition City Council Dist.: 1] UM, NATE FROM FRENCH MICHIGAN IS ON THE LINE. YES. HE WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE STIPULATION REGARDING THE LOCATION OF THE REAR ADDITION. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THE WINDOWS AS WELL. BUT NATE, I'LL LET YOU EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, AM I LIVE WITH EVERYBODY YET OR NO? YES. OKAY. UM, SO I'M SORRY, I'M PULLING UP MY DRAWINGS HERE. UM, SORRY. BEAR WITH ME. OKAY. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, THE WINDOWS. WE WERE REQUESTING CLOUD WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION. AND IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE END OF THE DOCUMENT, IT SAID THAT THEY WERE REQUIRING WOOD WINDOWS THROUGHOUT. AND SO I WASN'T QUITE SURE. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A DISCONNECT IN THE, THE FINDINGS AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. YEP. AS MENTIONED YESTERDAY AND NATE WE'RE RECOMMENDING FULL WOOD WINDOWS, I'M SORRY, WE'RE RECOMMENDING FULL WOOD WINDOWS, FULLY WOOD. OKAY. AND, AND THE STAFF FINDINGS THAT SAID WE WERE REQUESTING CLAD LIKE METAL CLAD WOOD AND THE STAFF AND THE FINDINGS THAT REC IT SAID THAT CLAD WINDOWS WERE ACCEPTABLE. YEAH, WE, I HAD MENTIONED TO YOU YESTERDAY THAT THAT WAS THE STAFF OVERSIGHT. WE ARE RECOMMENDING FULLY FULL WOOD WINDOWS. OKAY. UM, EVEN ON THE ADDITION. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, [00:10:01] THE NEXT THING THAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS IS THE SETBACK OF THE ADDITION. SO THE ADDITION, UH, WE HAVE MOVED THAT OVER TO THE SIDE FIVE FOOT SETBACK. AND THE INTENTION OF THAT REQUEST IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A SUNROOM ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WITH WOOD WINDOWS THAT LOOKS OUT TO THE BACKYARD AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT THE ADDITION DOES NOT OBSCURE THE, UM, VIEW OF THOSE WINDOWS OUT THROUGH THAT SUNROOM. RIGHT. SO, UM, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, UM, WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS REGARDING THE ADDITION. SO HERE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE ADDITION ON THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER, AS WELL AS A CLOSER, UM, FLOOR PLAN. SO OUR, UM, HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES RECOMMEND THAT THE LOCATION OF ADDITIONS BE LOCATED FULLY BEHIND, UM, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS PARTICULAR ADDITION IS CITED WHERE IT WILL, UM, GONNA BE, UM, LOCATED BEYOND THE FRONT OR THE SIDE FACADE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, WHICH WILL MAKE IT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. SO WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS JUST KIND OF THE SHIFT OVER THAT MASS, UM, TO THE CENTRAL PART OF THE SITE SO THAT IT'S FULLY BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE APPLICANT IS ADVOCATING FOR THE LOCATION OF THE ADDITION AS YOU SEE DRAWN ON THE SCREEN. SO THAT'S WHAT, UM, NATE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. YEAH. UM, ORIGINALLY OUR INTENT HERE WAS TO EXTRUDE A FORM SIMILAR TO THE REAR PART OF THE HOUSE, JUST BASICALLY A TALL, YOU KNOW, UM, GABLE ROOF. AND WE WANTED TO USE THE SAME PITCH. AND SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ROOF PITCH WENT UP A LITTLE TALLER, BUT IT'S ONLY ABOUT TWO FEET TALLER THAN THE ORIGINAL ROOF. AND THERE WILL BE A PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THAT SIDE. SO THAT ADDITION IS PRETTY FAR BACK AND WILL BE SOMEWHAT OBSCURED BY THE PRIVACY FENCE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR DESIGN INTENT WAS WITH THE LOCATION AND THE FORM OF THE ROOF AND THE ADDITION COMING OUT TO THE SIDE THERE. NATE, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. CAN YOU JUST LET HELP US OUT HERE AND TELL US HOW FAR BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE THAT ADDITION SITS IN TERMS OF, UH, YEAH, YEAH. LET ME GET THE CAD DRAWN UP HERE REAL QUICK. APOLOGIES, I JUST CAN'T MAKE OUT THE DIMENSIONS. YEAH, NO, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. SO THE, LET ME GET THIS DIMENSION HERE. YEAH. YOU'RE REQUESTING FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. YES. JUST TO GET A SENSE OF HOW MANY FEET THIS IS SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACE OF THE HOUSE. UH, IT'LL BE 45 FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE. THERE'S A, WE ALSO DESIGNED A LITTLE INSET IN THE CORNER WHERE IT COMES OFF THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE JUST TO GIVE THAT RELIEF AS, AS USUALLY REQUESTED. PERFECT. THANK YOU. WELL, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, SO IF YOU WERE TO, UH, FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND MOVE THE ADDITION COMPLETELY BEHIND THE EXISTING HOUSE, IT WOULD OBSCURE BASICALLY THAT, UH, LEFT LEFTMOST WINDOW OF THE SUNROOM, CORRECT? YEAH, IT WOULD OBSCURE THE LEFT AT LEAST THE LEFTMOST WINDOW OF THAT SUNROOM. AND WE ALSO WANT TO MAINTAIN THE USE OF THAT DOOR, UM, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE A FUNCTIONING SMALL MUDROOM THERE FOR THE TO OWNERS TO COME IN THERE IN THAT CORNER NODE ON THAT LITTLE PATIO. AND, YOU KNOW, THE ALSO THE INTENT WAS TO MAINTAIN THE WIDTH OF THIS KIND OF COURTYARD BETWEEN THE EXISTING GARAGE, THE EXISTING HOUSE, AND THIS ADDITION. UM, I THINK THE OWNERS WANNA DO SOME LANDSCAPING AND SOME OTHER THINGS OUT THERE IN BETWEEN. AND WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE THAT TOO TIGHT. . OKAY. THANK YOU. TRYING TO GIVE IT A, YOU KNOW, DECENT PROPORTION THERE IN THAT COURTYARD. YEAH. THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'M, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE, UH, THE REQUEST TO, UH, TO PERMIT THIS, THIS OFFSET TO OCCUR BECAUSE I THINK, UH, IF IT WERE TO SHIFT FULLY BEHIND, UH, THE STRUCTURE, IT WOULD BEGIN TO, I THINK, IMPACT IN A VERY NEGATIVE WAY THAT REAR ELEVATION THAT'S, UH, VERY ELEGANT WITH THE, UH, THE, THE GAIN OF WINDOWS IN THE SUNROOM. SO [00:15:01] I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN. AYE. THATOR. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NEXT IS ITEM [20-7340 Address/Description: 253 LOTUS ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-417 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Adams Joseph/MATHEW ANGELINE & ADAMS J JOSEPH Request: Stucco over wood siding, window replacement City Council Dist.: 1] 18. WE BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT. YES. AGENDA ITEM 18, CASE NUMBER 20 24 17 AT 2 53 LOTUS STREET, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE 10 WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS AND SCREENS. TWO, REPLACE THREE NON-ORIGINAL DOORS WITH A VARIETY OF NEW DOORS AND THREE, INSTALL STUCCO OVER WOOD SIDING. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING. ONE. IF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS HAVE BEEN DISCARDED, THE NEW WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR VERIFICATION PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION. WOOD WINDOWS SCREEN SHOULD BE RESTORED REGARDLESS OF THE APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS. TWO, THE PROPOSED FRONT DOOR SHOULD MATCH THE PROPOSED SIDE DOOR, WHICH FEATURES DESIGN CAPABLE, COMPATIBLE WITH CRAFTSMAN STYLE. PROPER ELEVATIONS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND APPROVAL. AND THREE, THE PROPOSED STUFF, THOSE SHOULD BE REVERSED BY REMOVING THE STUCCO AND POTENTIALLY REPLACING ANY PERMANENTLY DAMAGED WOOD SIDING IN KIND HER FINDING F THE SIDING APPEARS SALVAGEABLE AND THAT THE APPLICANT MAY INVESTIGATE FURTHER BY REMOVING PORTIONS OF THE STUCCO TO DOCUMENT MORE OF THE SIDING CONDITION UNDERNEATH. NO FURTHER SIDING REPLACEMENT OR ALTERATION MAY BE DONE UNTIL THE REMOVAL OF STUCCO IS DOCUMENTED AND SUBMITTED TO STAFF. UH, FOR COMMISSIONER REFERENCE, THIS CASE CAME TO US AS A VIOLATION CASE AND WAS TABLED AT THE LAST HEARING FOR HISTORIC ZONING VERIFICATION. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, MR. JOSEPH ADAMS AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE, UH, MR. TIMOTHY DEWE ON THE LINE, UH, FOR YOUR REFERENCE. THE ADDITIONAL FILES THAT YOU GUYS SUBMITTED AT THE LAST HEARING ARE AT THE END OF THIS, UH, CASE REPORT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO GO TO THOSE WHEN YOU'RE READY TO PRESENT. UM, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S NECESSARY. UH, ARE WE READY TO GO? GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO YOU DID RECEIVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I UNDERSTAND YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE IT, UM, AS SOON AS YOU, UH, OR AS QUICKLY AS YOU REQUIRE IT. AND THAT'S FINE. DO YOU NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST BRING IT UP ON THE SCREEN? IT WAS SUBMITTED AS A PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT LETTER, WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO THE COMMISSIONERS IN THEIR LETTER FOLDERS. OKAY. UM, SO LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THE LAST HEARING. UM, WE DID ATTEMPT TO WORK WITH, UM, THE, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT WE PRESENT FACTS. AND WHAT WE GET BACK IS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, NOTHING BACKED UP BY FACT. UM, THERE WAS A YARN THAT WAS SPUN ABOUT THIS PROPERTY BEING, UH, SOMEHOW SUBDIVIDED A A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT NO SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. UM, SO WHAT I HAD DONE AND, AND SENT IN WAS I, I TRACED THE PROPERTY BACK TO 1915, WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME IT WAS, UH, ANYTHING WAS RECORDED IN THE COUNTY DOCUMENTS. AND IN 1915, THEY DESCRIBED THAT PROPERTY AS BEING ENJOINED WITH THE, UH, PORTION OF LOT 25 AND THE YARN THAT WAS SPUN IN THE LAST EMAIL I GOT SAID THAT IT WAS SOMEHOW, UH, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY SEPARATED FROM THE REST OF LOT E, WHICH IS JUST FACTUALLY INCORRECT. UM, EVERY DEEDED AND I SENT YOU A LIST, UH, TODAY OF AT LEAST A DOZEN TRANSACTIONS, UH, AGAIN BEING FROM 1915 TO, I THINK THE LAST ONE WAS 2009 IS THE LAST ONE I SENT YOU. UM, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SINCE THEN, WHICH I, I DIDN'T SEND BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S THE SAME OWNERS WHO APPARENTLY FLIPPED PROPERTIES AND LEVERAGED THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO BUY OTHER PROPERTIES. AND IT'S QUITE A MISMATCH. UM, AND I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING I'M GONNA REFER TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY 'CAUSE SOME OF IT DOESN'T LOOK KOSHER. BUT AS FAR AS THE, UH, LEGITIMATE SALES AND TRANSFERS OF THIS [00:20:01] PROPERTY, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SEPARATE PROPERTY FROM THE FRONT PART OF E THE, THE YARN THAT WAS SPUN SORT OF DESCRIBES IT AS MAYBE A, UH, AN OUTBUILDING, UH, GUEST HOUSE OR SOMETHING OF THE FRONT PART OF VLADI, BUT THAT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN SEPARATE AND WAS NOT DESCRIBED PROPERLY IN THE ORDINANCE, UH, CREATING LE BACA. AND I ALSO INCLUDE SOME PRO, SOME PHOTOS OF THE REAR OF, I THINK IT'S 2 0 2 0 3 OR THE PROPERTY, UH, TO THE WEST OF LOT E AND SHOWS A, A BUILDING THAT THEY CONSTRUCTED FACING LOTUS THAT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE DISTRICT'S RULES. AND I ALSO SUPPLIED, UH, A SO IT'S A REAL EYESORE NEXT TO MR. ADAMS, UH, MR. UH, JOSEPH'S PROPERTY. I ALSO, UH, COLORIZED A PHOTO OF IT, THE HOUSE IN ITS PRESENT CONDITION TO SHOW THE WHITE STUCCO AND MATCHING BLUE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS. AND IT IS ON THE SAME PAGE NEXT TO A PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY WHEN HE BOUGHT IT. AND I THINK IT'S, UH, QUITE PLEASING OTHER THAN THE STRUCTURE NEXT DOOR, WHICH ALSO DOESN'T HAVE MATCHING WINDOWS. UM, THE PHOTO YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN IS THE HOUSE ON, UH, NING, ANOTHER PROPERTY IN A SIMILAR SITUATION. OURS. THOSE WINDOWS ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO. THIS DOESN'T COMPLY EITHER. SO, UH, YEAH, THAT'S ACTUALLY AN OLD PICTURE. UH, THE ONE I SENT YOU, UH, TODAY IS MUCH MORE ACCURATE. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THAT TODAY, UM, SINCE YOU DON'T WANNA PULL THOSE UP. BUT PERHAPS AFTER TODAY, YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR OFFICE AND LOOK AT THINGS WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN MIND AND MAYBE FIND SOME DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT, UH, WHAT YOUR EMAIL OF DECEMBER 4TH INCLUDED. MAYBE YOU COULD FIND SOME, UH, DOCUMENTATION TO BACK UP WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT YOU CAN'T. AND SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT ASKING TO BE TAKEN OUT OF LAVACCA. WE'RE ASKING FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE APPROVED AS IS. UH, YOU CAN STIPULATE THAT THE STUCCO IS PAINTED WHITE AND THE TRIM AROUND IT, YOU PAINTED THE MATCH, THE TRIM ON THE WINDOW ABOVE. UM, ONE NOTE ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR, THE DAY I SENT YOU TWO PICTURES OF DOORS. ONE IS THE EXISTING DOOR, WHICH IS WOOD, WITH AN OLDER WINDOW. THE OTHER PICTURE IS THE FRONT DOOR, UH, THAT HAS BEEN MOVED TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT IT WAS THE FRONT DOOR OF THE HOUSE WHEN, UH, MR. JOSEPH BOUGHT IT. SO IF YOU'D LIKE US TO MOVE THAT TO THE FRONT, THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING WE'RE WILLING TO DO AT THIS POINT. UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO APPROVE THE HOUSE WITH THE STUCCO PAINTED WHITE, UM, NOT ASK FOR NEW WINDOWS, NOT ASK FOR THE STUCCO TO BEAVER REMOVED AND EVERYTHING, UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO STAY IN THE LOCK. OTHERWISE, IF YOU'RE UNWILLING TO, UH, TO DO THAT, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO WHATEVER PAPERWORK WE NEED TO DO TO GET REMOVED, OR I GUESS WAIT FOR YOU TO SUE US AND, AND WE'LL IRON IT OUT THAT WAY. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. SO IF YOU WANT TO GET BACK TO US ON THAT AT SOME POINT, THAT'D BE GREAT. COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. SHOULD I GO AHEAD WITH THOSE? YES, PLEASE. UM, IT'S THE ONLY ONE. IT'S FROM PATTI ZION, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THEY AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 2 53 LOTUS AVENUE, THE HISTORIC SIDING AND WINDOWS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN DAMAGED AND OR DESTROYED. WHEN AN OWNER WILLFULLY VIOLATES THE LETTER AND SPIRIT OF THE MUNICIPAL LAW BY DOING WORK WITHOUT PERMITS, IT POINTS TO THE NEED FOR STRICTER PENALTIES AND STIFFER FINES FOR VIOLATORS. SO THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY THEN FOR THE RECORD, UH, WHAT WE HAD, UH, REQUESTED LAST TIME VERIFICATION THAT THIS IS INDEED WITHIN DISTRICT? YEAH. UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA READ THE EMAIL THAT WAS PROVIDED TO MR. DEWINE. UM, IT SAYS, AT THE TIME OF THE DESIGNATION, THE BUILDING AT PRESENT DAY 2 53, LOTUS WAS ON THE SAME PARCEL AND ADDRESS WITH 2 38 CAROLINA. THE ENTIRE PARCEL AT THAT [00:25:01] TIME, UH, WITH WHICH HAD TWO LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS WAS INCLUDED, UM, UM, IN THE ORDINANCE AND CONTAINED THE REAR STRUCTURE FACING LOTUS. WE BELIEVE IT WAS SUBDIVIDED LATER AND GIVEN THE LOTUS A ADDRESS AROUND 2014. BUT THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT THE HISTORIC OVERLAY STATUS. UM, SO THE ORDINANCE INCLUDES THE MAPS, UM, THAT INCLUDES THE PROPERTY, IT INCLUDES THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION, UM, AND WE JUST, WE DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS AN ERROR. OKAY, HERE'S THE THING. WHEN PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS, IT, UH, WHEN IT'S SOLD, IT WAS SOLD BY THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION, NOT THE ADDRESS. UM, AND NOT THE PARCEL NUMBER ACTUALLY. UH, SO THIS SOUNDS LIKE AN, UH, AN INTERNAL PROBLEM BETWEEN YOU GUYS AND THE CITY PLANNING OFFICE BECAUSE AS FAR AS REAL ESTATE GOES, THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION IS, IS WHAT GOES, NOT WHAT PARCEL IT'S PART OF. IF WE AGREE PROPERTY, GO HOME AND LOOK AT YOUR, YOUR DEEDS, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT, THAT YOUR LOT NUMBER SO-AND-SO, BLOCK NUMBER, SO-AND-SO, N C B SO-AND-SO IN THE WHATEVER ADDITION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE COUNTY OF BEAR, THIS PROPERTY, UH, PORTION OF IT IS A LOT BLOCK FROM THE DUP AND TO SUBDIVISION. THAT WAS, THAT IS THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT DESCRIBED THAT WAY IN THE ORDINANCE. AND IT WAS ALSO NOT DESCRIBED THAT WAY IN THE SECTION PERTAINING TO THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WAS PROPERTIES THAT WERE ZONED R SIX. I READ YOU AT THE LAST MEETING WHAT THE SECTION R SIX SAID, AND THERE IS NO DESCRIPTION THAT MATCHES THIS PROPERTY THERE. NOW YOU FOUND A DESCRIPTION OF THIS PROPERTY IN ANOTHER SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT WAS IN THE WRONG PART. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE CORRECTED THAT OR HAD IT REZONED AGAIN OR WHAT. AND YOU'RE FREE TO START THAT PROCESS IF YOU WANT. WE WOULD DISPUTE THE REZONING AT THIS POINT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. SO COMMISSIONERS JUST KNOW THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS ISSUE. UM, WE DO BELIEVE IT'S CORRECT, AND I JUST WANT TO ITERATE THAT THIS IS NOT THE ISSUE ON THE AGENDA TODAY. THE ISSUE IS THE, UM, SCOPE OF WORK THAT'S BEEN PERFORMED. UM, THERE ARE FUTURE REMEDIES THAT THE, THE PROPERTIES OWNER REPRESENTATIVE COULD TAKE IF THEY WANT TO ADDRESS THE ZONING. THAT COULD BE A DE DESIGNATION REQUEST THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM WHAT'S ON TODAY'S AGENDA. SO THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT AND, AND CAN THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE STOP INTERRUPTING, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER RIGHT NOW. UM, THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING WAS TO, UH, DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS EVEN SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE HEARING, WHETHER IT'S LEGITIMATELY WITHIN OUR PURVIEW OR NOT. UM, AND SO I'M GOING TO, UH, ASSUME STAFF HAS DONE THEIR HOMEWORK ON THIS AND I CONCUR WITH, UH, STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. AND, UM, I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. THIS IS , MR. FERNANDEZ, I, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. AYE, CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A, UH, RECOURSE TO APPEAL THIS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. TODAY'S ACTION COULD BE APPEALED. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM 19. UM, JESS, ARE YOU UNMUTED? ARE YOU THERE, JESS? YES, I AM. I STILL NEED TO REACH THE PROPERTY OWNERS REPRESENTATIVE. CAN YOU HOLD FOR JUST ONE MOMENT? SURE, YEAH. LET'S GET THE CASE FILE ON THE SCREEN. OKAY, WE'RE [00:30:01] READY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. SO ITEM 19 [20-7370 Address/Description: 9290 LESLIE RD HDRC Case No.: 2020-484 Request: Finding of historic significance City Council Dist.: 7] ON THE AGENDA, H C R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 4 8 4 92 90 LESLIE ROAD, UM, OFFICER OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS REQUESTING A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 92 90 LESLIE, SORRY. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND DIRECTION TO PROCESS A REQUEST ON BEHALF OF THE H D R C TO CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE DESIGNATION OF 92 90 LESLIE, BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H. AND I HAVE, UH, JAMES GRIFFIN ON THE LINE. HE'S REPRESENTING THE OWNER. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST OR HEAR FROM HIM. LET'S HAVE THE, UM, THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE PRESENT, AND THEN I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, AND THEN WE CAN GO TO QUESTIONS. GREAT. AND, UH, JAMES, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG BETWEEN THE LIVE STREAM, SO, UM, WE'RE ABOUT 10 SECONDS AHEAD OF YOU IF YOU JUST INDICATE WHEN YOU WANT THE SLIDE ADVANCED, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT FOR YOU. OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. UH, WELL, THANK YOU. UM, IF Y'ALL COULD GO AHEAD AND PULL UP THE POWERPOINT, UH, WE PROVIDED, AND MAYBE JUST JUMP TO SLIDE TWO, UM, AND, UH, UH, I GUESS START OUT. YEAH, THIS IS JAMES GRIFFIN WITH KILLING GRIFFIN FAIRMAN, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, I WILL, UH, GO THROUGH THIS POWERPOINT, UH, QUICKLY AND, AND TRY TO BE BRIEF. UM, UH, HERE, UH, UH, STARTING ON SLIDE TWO, YOU SEE, SEE THE PROPERTY IN ITS ENTIRETY, UH, A LITTLE OVER 12 ACRES. UH, MOST OF THAT, UH, IS WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, THE, THE HOUSE THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT I THINK IS KINDA THE MAIN STRUCTURE IN QUESTION, UH, RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. UH, FLIP INTO THE NEXT SLIDE. SLIDE THREE, UH, JUST, UH, ZOOMED IN, SHOWS YOU THE ZONING AND SURROUNDING ZONING. AND THEN MOVE INTO SLIDE FOUR. UH, YOU GET A FEEL FOR THE, UH, LARGER AREA. UH, AND AS STAFF NOTED IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION, AND I'M SURE SOME OF Y'ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DECADES AGO, THIS WAS PART OF, UH, UH, SEVERAL LARGER RANCHES AND OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN, UH, DEVELOPED, UH, ALMOST ENTIRELY, UM, UH, OVER THE YEARS. I SEE, UH, UH, A LOT OF HOMES THERE, UM, UH, AROUND OUR PROPERTY. AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY, UH, FRONTING ON 1604, UH, ON THE HIGHWAY, KIND OF ONE OF THE LAST, UH, REMAINING PARCELS THERE. UH, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, AND YOU CAN KIND OF, UH, FLIP THROUGH THEM QUICKLY. UH, THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE HOUSE AND IT'S, UH, CURRENT CONDITION, THE, THE MAIN HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY. UM, SIX, UH, SLIDE SIX JUST ZOOMS IN A LITTLE CLOSER. AND THIS PROPERTY, UH, LAST HAD SOMEBODY LIVING IN THIS HOME ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, AND THE OWNERS, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND A NEW TENANT SINCE THEN, UH, OR AT LEAST NOT A, NOT A PAYING TENANT. UH, YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THESE PICTURES THAT WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE SOME UNWELCOME GUESTS, UH, ON THE PROPERTY AND AT THE HOUSE. UM, IT FLIPPED THROUGH. UH, GOING TO SLIDE EIGHT, UH, WHICH STARTS TO SHOW THE, THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, WHAT FOLKS ARE ARE DOING THERE. AS YOU SAW IN THE AERIAL, UH, THE HOME IS, UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S RIGHT OFF OF THE HIGHWAY, UH, IT IS, UH, PRETTY SECLUDED. UM, AND AGAIN, UH, HAVE NOT, THE OWNERS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, WILLING TO, UH, LIVE IN THE HOUSE AND, AND LEASE THE HOUSE ONCE THEY, UH, HAD THEIR LAST TENANT LEAVE, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. AND THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, QUICKLY DETERIORATED AFTER THAT. UH, NOT HAVING ANYBODY IN THERE. UM, AGAIN, NOT ANYBODY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, I SHOULD SAY. UM, FLIPPING THE SLIDE, SLIDE NINE, UH, YOU KIND OF SEE, UM, UH, MORE OF THE INTERIOR, YOU SEE THE FIREPLACE OR ONE OF THE FIREPLACES REFERENCED IN THE REPORT, UH, AS WELL AS SOME, SOME VIEWS INTO THE, UH, ATTICS TO KIND OF GET A FEEL OF, OF WHAT, UH, WHAT'S BEHIND THE WALLS IN THOSE PROPERTIES. AND, UM, SEE THE NATURE OF, UH, THE, THE FIREPLACES REFERENCED. AND AGAIN, THE, THE ROOF MATERIALS. UH, SLIDE 10. UH, SAME THING THERE. YOU SEE THE FIREPLACE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT, UH, IF IT WAS AN OLDER, UH, HISTORIC FIREPLACE, IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN, UH, COVERED UP MANY TIMES OVER. BUT, UH, YOU'D THINK IF IT WAS A OLDER, ORIGINAL FIREPLACE, UM, WOULD'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, RETAINED AT LEAST, UH, SOMEWHAT THERE. UM, FLIPPING THROUGH AGAIN, YOU GET MORE SHOTS OF, UH, WHAT, UM, WHAT THE INTERIOR LOOKS LIKE BOTH, UH, ON ITS FACE AND KIND [00:35:01] OF BEHIND THE WALLS, UH, AND THE, AND THE ROOF. UM, TO GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S BACK THERE. UH, AND IF YOU COULD FLIP TO SLIDES, FLIP AHEAD TO SLIDE 13, UM, THIS IS WHAT REMAINS OF A, UM, A, A, A MUCH OLDER HOME ON THE PROPERTY. AND, AND WE REALLY BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, IF THERE WAS A CONNECTIONS OR TIES TO, YOU KNOW, THE GIL BOWS AND AN OLDER, UH, HOME ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, THIS WAS, IT. IT, IT'S NOT THAT, UH, MAIN STRUCTURE THAT, THAT Y'ALL JUST SEEN, Y'ALL JUST SEEN. UM, AND, AND THAT IS REALLY THE, HAS BEEN THE, THE FOCUS HERE. AGAIN, THIS WAS AGAIN, WHAT'S, WHAT'S LEFT OF IT. AND IT WAS BUILT KIND OF DOWN IN THE FLOODPLAIN, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS IT DIDN'T AGE WELL. BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS WAS, UH, AN, AN OLD SMALL STONE STRUCTURE, UM, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY, PROBABLY DOES HAVE SOME HISTORIC VALUE, UH, AND POINT THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK ANY, ANY REFERENCES TO, UH, OLDER HOMES ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, WOULD'VE BEEN THIS STRUCTURE, UH, AND NOT THE ONE YOU JUST SAW. SO, UM, AND, AND, AND I BRING THAT UP AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH THE FACT THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UH, THEY ARE OPPOSED FOR A FEW REASONS, UH, ONE BEING, UH, PERHAPS THE, THE LEAST IMPORTANT ONE. BUT, UH, STILL, STILL IMPORTANT, STILL RELEVANT. UH, AND THAT IS THE DIFFICULTY IN MAINTAINING THIS PROPERTY. UH, AND THE, THAT MAIN STRUCTURE THERE ON, UM, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, LARGE, LARGE PROPERTY ON THE HIGHWAY, UM, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO, UH, UH, WILLING TO, TO LIVE IN IT, WHETHER THAT BE A FAMILY MEMBER OR, OR A RENTER. IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, UM, OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO, THEY'VE EXPLORED, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS, UH, WAS BROUGHT TO, UH, THEIR ATTENTION BY, BY O H P, UM, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS OF REHAB, REUSE, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, TAX CREDIT OPTIONS FOR, UH, A, A HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND JUST HAVE NOT, UH, BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING, UH, REASONABLE OR FEASIBLE, UH, THAT COULD BE USED AT THAT LARGER HOME, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY ITSELF, YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT BE DESIGNATED HISTORIC. UH, AND, AND REALLY IT JUST, UH, KIND OF GETS WORSE BY THE DAY. UM, THEY'RE OUT THERE, UH, MUCH MORE OFTEN THAN THEY WOULD LIKE TO, TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM, UH, DUMPING THINGS ON THE PROPERTY, UH, TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE HOME. THEY, THEY CLEAN UP THE HOME FAIRLY REGULARLY. AND, UH, A COUPLE DAYS LATER, IT'LL LOOK LIKE IT DOES IN THOSE PICTURES YOU'VE SEEN. UM, THE OTHER REASONS ARE, AND WE REALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT MAIN HOME, UH, HAS ANY HISTORICAL VALUE AND IS, AND IS NOT A HOME, CERTAINLY NOT BUILT IN THE 18 HUNDREDS, UH, THAT THE SMALLER, UH, UH, ROCK HOME THAT YOU SAW IN, IN, UH, I GUESS SLIDE THAT'S STILL UP. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO BELIEVE, UH, AND AND AGREE HAD SOME HISTORIC VALUE, CERTAINLY, UH, CLOSER TO THAT DATE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP. BUT, UH, BUT ALSO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY PAST THE POINT OF RETURN. UM, BUT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, UM, TRY TO TRY TO HONOR THAT, UH, THAT PIECE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A CONNECTION, UH, TO THAT OLDER HOME OR THE OTHER HOME, EXCUSE ME. UH, AND, AND THAT'S A PIECE WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH AS WELL. UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE OPPOSED, AND WE, WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT, UH, EVERYONE AT O H P HAS HAS PUT TOWARDS THIS FROM THE RESEARCH AND SPEAKING WITH US, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TALKING THROUGH OPTIONS AND THE HISTORY. BUT, UH, WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANY SUBSTANTIVE PROOF THAT, UH, THAT THAT MAIN HOUSE, I'LL CALL IT, UM, UH, IS HISTORIC AND HAS THOSE, YOU KNOW, TIES THAT ARE, ARE MENTIONED. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, Y'ALL MADE IT TO THE END OF THE, UH, STAFF REPORT. THERE'S A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, UM, WITH THE TITLE, UH, SAYING, YOU KNOW, GIBO HOME, A BIT OF OLD FRANCE, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, SOUNDS, SOUNDS GREAT. AND YOU, YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT ARTICLE AND IT TALKS ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL HOME. UH, BUT IT TALKED ABOUT THAT HOME BEING AT, UM, AT FIVE 10 SOUTH MAIN AVENUE IN, IN DOWNTOWN, AND, AND DOESN'T MAKE ANY REFERENCE TO THIS PROPERTY. UM, AND, AND AS YOU SAW FROM THE PICTURES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, UH, UH, INSIDE AND OUT. WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY REAL, UH, HISTORIC COMPONENTS TO THAT MAIN HOME. IF THERE ARE. THEY'VE CERTAINLY BEEN, UH, BEEN LOST LONG AGO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FIREPLACE TO THE ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF TO, UH, EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. SO, UM, TO, TO WRAP UP, AND I KNOW THAT'D BE BRIEF, AND I'M, AND PROBABLY TOOK MORE TIME THAN, UM, THAN I MEANT TO, OR THAN Y'ALL WANTED ME TO. BUT, UH, [00:40:01] WE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS DESIGNATION. WE JUST, UH, STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, PROOF TO SHOW THAT, UM, THAT THAT MAIN HOME ON THE PROPERTY, UH, IT'S HISTORIC IS WORTH PRESERVING. UM, ALTHOUGH, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO HAVE HAD THIS, THIS, UH, PROPERTY IN THEIR FAMILY, UH, SINCE THE, UH, LATE, UH, OR EARLY FORTIES, UM, HAVE EXPLORED EVERY OPTION, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO TRY TO HONOR WHAT, UH, HISTORY MAY HAVE OCCURRED IN THE AREA. UM, BUT, UH, BUT NO VIABLE OPTIONS. AND, AND SPEAKING OF THE AREA, UH, THERE CERTAINLY IS SOME HISTORY IN THIS AREA. UM, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER HOMES, AND I THINK, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU KNOW, UH, WITHIN A FEW MILES THAT, UH, THAT DO SHOW, UH, THE, THE KEY PIECES OF THE TIMEFRAME THAT'S REFERENCED, UH, WE, WE JUST DON'T THINK IT WAS THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. UM, AND CERTAINLY NOT THIS PARTICULAR HOME THAT YOU SEE THERE. UM, SO, UH, WE WOULD, UH, RESPECTFULLY, UH, ASK THE COMMISSION TO, UM, DENY THE, UH, REQUEST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGNATION, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS AND, AND MORE. BUT, UM, I WILL, I'LL, I'LL END THERE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE. THANKS EVERYBODY FOR THEIR TIME. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. YES, WE DO. UM, THIS COMES FROM PATTI ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THEY CONCUR WITH THE O H P, UM, THAT THE HOUSE AT 92 90 LESLIE ROAD MEETS FIVE OF THE CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, WHICH IS A RARE, EARLY EXAMPLE OF A LIMESTONE DOG, TROTT VOL HOUSE FROM THE 1880S WITH A TANGIBLE LINK TO THE GIBO FAMILY THAT FIRST ARRIVED IN SAN ANTONIO IN 1839. THE HOME WAS BUILT BY FRANCOISE GIBO II, AND HIS WIFE, KATINA CALLAHAN, DESCENDANTS OF CANARY ISLANDERS SETTLED SETTLERS WHO ARRIVED IN 1831. THIS SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY LIKELY OVERLOOKED DUE TO ITS REMOTE LOCATION WITH HEAVY VEGETATION AS LINKED TO OTHER LOCAL, HISTORICALLY UNMARKED FARMS NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF BROWN ROAD AND WEST LOOP 1604. WE URGE YOU TO SUPPORT A FINDING OF THE STORE SIGNIFICANCE. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE, I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME OTHER PHOTOS IN THE OTHER FILE. YEAH, THERE WE GO. THIS IS, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER, AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IT, THAT IT DOES, UH, MEET, UH, MULTIPLE CRITERIA FOR, UH, DESIGNATION AND I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, MOVING THIS FORWARD. HI, THIS IS C FERNANDEZ I CONCUR WITH, WITH, UH, CHAIR FETZER. UM, I THINK THAT, UH, O H P'S PRESENTATION ON, UH, HOW THIS QUALIFIES, UM, IS GOOD, UH, ENOUGH FOR ME. AND IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. MS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I SECOND A SECOND. WE TAKE, WE HAVE MOTION C A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. I CAN TRY THAT AGAIN, CARPENTER. AYE. THANK YOU, BOWMAN. NAY BETTS, SIR. AYE, MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM 20. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? YES. OKAY, GO AHEAD. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER [20-7321 Address/Description: 406 N PINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-532 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Micah Deary /DEARY MICAH & KELLY A Request: Construction of a 2-story, single family residential structure City Council Dist.: 2] 20 H A R C, CASE NUMBER 20 25 32 4 0 6 NORTH PINE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 4 0 6 NORTH PINE STREET, LOCATED WITHIN THE DIG WHITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WILL FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 2,200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND WILL FEATURE DETACH DETACHED REAR CARPORT. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH SS STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. ONE THAT THE ROOF FORMS AND PORCH MASSING SHOULD BE REVISED BASED ON HISTORIC PRECEDENT. PARTICULAR ATTENTION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE PROTRUDING MASS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING AND HOW IT IS ARTICULATED THROUGH TRADITIONAL ROOF FORMS AND FENESTRATION [00:45:01] PATTERNS SO THAT ALL WINDOWS FEATURE SIZES THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT GAINED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A MILLION OF SIX INCHES OF WIDTH. AND THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION BE ADDED WHERE WALLS ARE CURRENTLY VOID, A FENESTRATION COLUMNS SHOULD BE SIX INCHES SQUARE AND FEATURE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM WITH MITERED CORNERS. THREE, THAT WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE INSTALLED AS NOTED IN FINDING L AND THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS OR THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION IS NOTED IN FINDING M THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR THE REAR CARPORT FIVE PROPOSED FENCE, NOT EXCEED THE FRONT FACADE AND FRONT PORCH. AND THAT THE TOTAL HEIGHT NINE EXCEED SIX FEET IS NOTED IN FINDING O AND SIX SO THAT THE WALK THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A SITE PLAN NOTING THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY WITH APRON AND APPROACH THAT A FRONT WALKWAY BE ADDED AND THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED FROM VIEW IS NOTED IN FINDINGS P AND F. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, MIKE DERY, UM, ON THE LINE NOW, AS WELL AS THE DESIGNER, RICK ARCHER. HELLO EVERYBODY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. OKAY, GREAT. HEY, THANKS FOR, UH, SEEING MY CASE. UM, MY NAME IS MIC DEI. UH, MY WIFE KELLY, UH, AND I BOTH MOVED HERE, UM, RECENTLY FROM BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, AND, UH, PURCHASED THIS LAND IN NUITY. UM, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO BUILDING THIS, THIS HOUSE THAT WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DESIGNING AND, UM, EXCITED TO LIVE THERE. IT'S A REALLY COOL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE, UM, JUST, JUST REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO KIND OF GETTING IN THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY OVER THERE. UM, SO WE'VE DESIGNED THIS HOUSE ALONG WITH KELLY'S, UM, FATHER RICK ARCHER HAS HELPED US. HE'S ALSO HERE, UM, AND HE'S GONNA HELP US PRESENT. UM, MY BACKGROUND JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT IS IN BUILDING, UM, UH, A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION IN, IN, IN NEW YORK CITY WITH THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, UH, WORKING ON MAINLY, UM, BROOKLYN TOWNHOUSES. UM, AND HAD TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION. SO TOTALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AND RESPECTED AND, UH, WANT TO TRY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GET A, GET A PLACE THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. UM, SO I'M GONNA PASS ALONG THE, UH, THE, THE CALL TO, TO RICK, AND HE'S GONNA KIND OF OPEN UP WITH SOME REMARKS. YEAH. UM, APPRECIATE YOU ALL HEARING THIS CASE. IF YOU COULD TURN EDWARD TO PAGE, UH, THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS, UH, I CAN'T TELL WHICH PAGE THAT IS. LOOKS LIKE IT'S PAGE 13, I BELIEVE. YEAH, PAGE 13. THAT'D BE A GOOD PLACE TO START. SO, UM, JUST TO PUT IN CONTEXT, UH, MY WIFE CAROL AND I LIVE ON THE STREET, IN THE HOUSE THAT IS IN THIS IMAGE SHOWS A RED ROOF, T SHAPED HOUSE. AND, UM, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, KELLY AND MIKE ARE PLANNING TO BUILD A HOME THAT THEY'RE GONNA LIVE IN. UH, I THINK THAT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE SOMETHING WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK PART OF THE BEAUTY OF DIGNITY, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF HOMES, UH, BOTH ONE OR TWO STORY, ALMOST ALL OF THEM HAVE PORCHES. UH, THEY OBVIOUSLY VARY, UH, FROM WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, OUR HOUSE BEING IN THE 18 HUNDREDS. AND THEN, UH, UP THROUGH, UH, THE 19 HUNDREDS. AND BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE OR TWO STORY HOUSES, WE GET A VARIETY OF SCALES AND SIZES. WE HAVE ALMOST UNIVERSITY PORCHES, SOME OF THEM, ONE STORY, SOME TWO. AND, UM, I THINK WHAT KELLY AND MICAH HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO HERE IS REALLY DO SOMETHING WHICH IS RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BECAUSE IT'S TWO STORY. AND MOST OF THE HOMES ALONG, UH, THIS STREET ARE ONE, IT'S SET BACK A LITTLE FURTHER FROM THE ROAD, UH, SO IT WON'T DOMINATE THE STREET. UM, BUT I THINK IN SCALE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ROOF PLAN THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING PREDOMINANTLY, UH, TO THE NORTH OR TO THE LEFT IN, IN THIS IMAGE, UH, ACTUALLY QUITE MODEST COMPARED TO THE HOUSE, UH, TO ITSELF. UH, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE AN IMAGE OF, UH, THE WAY THE HOUSE IS IMAGINED. AND I KNOW THAT PART OF THE CONCERN OF THE STAFF, UH, HAS BEEN AROUND THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, WHICH IS, UM, THE PROJECTING PART OF THE, OF THE HOUSE. I THINK THAT THE IDEA FROM A HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THIS WAS LIKE A WRAPAROUND PORCH THAT YOU FIND THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM ON SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC HOMES, UH, AND THEN THE NOTION THAT IN TIME THE FAMILY FILLED IN A PORTION OF THAT PORCH. IN THIS CASE, IT'S WITH AN OFFICE BELOW AND A GUEST BEDROOM ABOVE. UM, THE, THE SIGHTING, UH, IMAGINE IS A REVERSE BOARD AND BATTEN, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. [00:50:01] AND, UM, AND I THINK THE, THE DESIGN WHILE BEING RESPECTFUL OF HISTORY, IS NOT INTENDED TO LOOK LIKE A HISTORIC HOME. IT'S, IT'S INTENDED TO BE A NEW HOME, WHICH IS COMPLIMENTING, UH, THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EDWARD, IF YOU COULD TURN TO, UM, TO PAGE 33, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IMAGE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE KIND OF PRECEDENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WHILE, YES, WE LOOKED AT HISTORIC PRECEDENT, UM, WE REALLY BELIEVE THIS HOME AT EIGHT 14 NORTH PINE, THAT WAS DONE BY ESUS, UM, AND WAS RECENTLY FEATURED ON THE COVER OF TEXAS ARCHITECT MAGAZINE, UH, IS A, IS A GREAT PRECEDENT. UM, LET'S HAVE DIFFERENT PAGE NUMBERS 'CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN IMAGE OF A HOUSE AT EIGHT 14 NORTH PINE. IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY ON THE STREET, THE, THE SCREEN. JUST GIVE IT A MINUTE. THERE'S A DELAY. AH, OKAY. THANK YOU. LITTLE ELECTRONIC DELAY. UH, IF YOU ALL ARE SEEING IT THOUGH, I THINK, UH, WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS SIMILAR ROOF PITCH, SAME MATERIALS, REVERSE BOARD, AND BATTEN, UH, THE WINDOW SYSTEM ON THAT HOUSE IS EXACTLY THE SAME WINDOW SYSTEM AS WHAT, UH, THE DAIRIES ARE PROPOSING ON THEIRS. IT'S A MARVIN, UH, WINDOW. AND, UH, THE IDEA IS, WHILE AGAIN, NOT REPLICATING WHAT'S HISTORIC, BUT REALLY RESPONDING TO HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, YOU GET A, A SLIGHT FEEL OF A LARGER WINDOW. AND IF YOU ALL MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH OUR HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET AT FOUR 13 NORTH PINE, UH, WHICH IS THE IMAGE RIGHT BEFORE THIS ONE, UH, WE DID A CONTEMPORARY RESPECTFUL ADDITION, UH, WHICH INCLUDES LARGE WINDOWS AND, UH, AND A METAL RAIL. UH, SO WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE HISTORIC FABRIC, BUT DOING IT IN A NEW CONTEMPORARY WAY. AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, WHAT THE DAIRIES ARE HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS. WE UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CONCERNS, UH, THE STAFF. WE'VE ADDRESSED A NUMBER OF THOSE OUT OF THE WALKWAY, DEALT WITH THE APRON TO THE GARAGE BEHIND, UM, DEALT WITH, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, PRIVACY FENCE, UH, WHICH IS, IS NOW MADE SOLID ON THE, UH, WEST FACE, FACING TOWARD THE STREET SCREENING ALL, UH, OF THE UTILITIES, UH, AND, AND DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF THE ISSUES RAISED BY THE STAFF. UH, WE'RE HOPING, UH, THAT WE CAN BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, UH, AS IT IS WITH THOSE MINOR CHANGES. BUT WE'RE READY, READY TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE OTHER CONSERVATIVE RAISED BY THE STAFF, IF THAT WOULD BE OF HELP. COREY, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UH, YES, WE DO. UM, THE FIRST COMES FROM, ACTUALLY IT'S JUST ONE, I'M SORRY. UH, SO PATTY ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. NO, WE DO HAVE TWO, I'M SORRY, I WAIT. PATTY ZIONS, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DENIAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR 4 0 6 NORTH PINE PROPOSED ROOF FORMS. PORCH MASSING ADMINISTRATION PATTERNS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THE NEXT COMES FROM SCOTT RHETT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE PORCH STEPS RECOMMENDATIONS AND ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH IS TYPICALLY CONSIDERED NONCONFORMING FOR OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THE FRONT PORCH ON THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS REMINISCENT OF THAT TYPE OF WORK. WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE OTHER ROOFING RELATIONSHIPS FOR THE FRONT FACADE SINCE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH NEARBY HISTORIC BUILDINGS. WE ALSO ENCOURAGE ALL DECISION MAKERS DURING THIS PROCESS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION AND NONCONFORMING CONSTRUCTION AS A PRECEDENT IS NOT GOOD PRACTICE PER THE GUIDELINES AND PREVIOUS STAFF CONVERSATIONS. GREAT. I MIGHT, I MIGHT OFFER, UH, THE COMMENT THAT OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUR PLANS FOR FOUR 13 NORTH PINE, UH, WE ALSO GOT A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TO BE TURNED DOWN AND A LETTER FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND NEIGHBORS STATING THE SAME THING. AND, AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE PROVEN IS THAT WE CAN WORK WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT REPLICATING, UH, THE HISTORIC STYLE. UH, BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION ABOUT ANY OF, OF YOUR CONCERNS OR WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AND I'LL, MAYBE I'LL P****D OFF HERE. UM, I'D ALSO POINT OUT, I THINK THERE'S A LETTER IN THE FOLDER FROM THE, UH, CONTINUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT'S, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE MASKING AND ROOF FORM, UM, AS WELL. AND COREY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK I JUST READ THAT, BUT, UM, I, I THINK GENERALLY THE MASSING, UH, COMPATIBLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THE IDEA OF THIS KIND OF FILLED IN WRAPAROUND PORCH REALLY BRINGS THE MASS OF THE HOUSE DOWN. AND, UH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT A COUPLE OF WINDOWS ON THE EAST, WEST AND SOUTH ELEVATION, UH, THAT DON'T [00:55:01] APPEAR TO BE PARTICULARLY COMPATIBLE. AND, UH, MAYBE I, I I WOULD ASK IF THOSE ARE RE CONSIDERED FOR MAYBE SOME REVISIONS, UH, TO BRING THOSE IN LINE WITH THE, THE SIZES OR PROPORTIONS FOUND IN, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THOSE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS, UH, THAT KIND OF APPEAR IN A FEW PLACES THAT GIVE ME SOME PAUSE. UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF STIPULATIONS, UH, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX. AND AT THIS TIME I JUST ASK THE APPLICANT IF, UH, YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH, WITH STIPULATIONS TWO THROUGH SIX? WELL, I THINK THAT WELL CONCERN PROBABLY, YEAH, I, I WOULD SAY WE DO. I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE WINDOWS ON THE, UM, ON THE SOUTH AND NORTH ELEVATIONS, UM, BOTH ELEVATIONS. IT WILL NOT BE SEEN FROM THE STREET. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT, NOT ALL WINDOWS ON ALL PARTS OF ALL HOUSES ARE THE SAME SIZE AND SHAPE. IN FACT, YOU KNOW, OUR STORE COMB ACROSS THE STREET HAS LONG TALL PILLOW HUNG WINDOWS, AND IT HAS SMALL SQUARE WINDOWS AND IT HAS A VARIETY OF SHAPES THAT WERE CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE HISTORIC FABRIC AS THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT OVER TIME. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY IF, IF FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE SMALLER WINDOWS ON THE UPPER STORY, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE COULD BE CERTAINLY MADE IN DOUBLE HUNG SO THAT THEY FELT PERHAPS MORE HISTORIC. UH, THE WINDOWS ON THE, ON THE LOWER FLOOR WILL NOT BE VISIBLE TO ANYBODY. UH, THEY'LL BE BEHIND A FENCE AND, UM, THOSE ARE REALLY BEING DRIVEN BY THE SHAPE OF THE INSIDE OF, OF THE ROOM. UH, IN THAT CASE, UH, IN THE CASE OF THE HORIZONTAL ONE POWDER ROOM WHERE, UM, THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE A WINDOW THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT A CURTAIN ON THAT'S CLOSED ALL THE TIME. UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE ISSUE OF THE SIX INCH MOYEN BETWEEN THE GANGED WINDOWS, UM, WHAT I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IS WHY, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPLIED HERE WHEN IT HAS NOT BEEN APPLIED, UH, UNIVERSALLY ACROSS THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IN VERY, VERY RECENT PRECEDENTS, WHICH HAVE BEEN LAUDED AS BEING GOOD DESIGN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND IN FACT IN MY CASE, ACROSS THE STREET WE HAVE A, A WINDOW WHICH IS SIX FEET WIDE BY NINE FEET TALL, THAT IS A SINGLE PIECE OF GLASS AS A, AS AN ABSTRACT EXPRESSION OF THE GANGED WINDOWS, UH, THAT ARE ADJOINING IT. SO I, SO I, I THINK JUST PURELY FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL PERSPECTIVE QUESTION, WHETHER OR NOT NOT HAVING TO MATCH EVERYTHING THAT'S HISTORIC IS NECESSARILY WHAT WE WANT TO DO. SO OUR, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS. UM, THANK YOU. UM, AND I GUESS, SO THAT'S STIPULATION TWO. UH, SO STIPULATIONS 3, 4, 5, AND SIX, I'M, I'M GONNA TAKE IT YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, 'CAUSE YOU WERE REFERRING STIPULATION TWO, WHICH DESCRIBES THE WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH WALL. STIPULA STATION THREE IS THE ONE I WAS REFERRING TO. IF YOU, AGAIN, REFERENCE, UH, PAGE 33, UM, OF THIS MAYBE NOT 33 ON YOUR YEAH, EIGHT 14, UH, EIGHT 14 NORTH PINE AND, AND ALSO, UH, THE HOUSE IN THE 900 BLOCK OF PINE, WE BOTH HAVE, UM, MAED WINDOWS THAT DO NOT HAVE A A SIX INCH VERTICAL. SO I, I GUESS THERE'S JUST PART OF MY CONCERN AS AN ARCHITECT WHO WORKS IN THE AREA AND WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE INCONSISTENCY OF, OF APPLICATION. UM, AND I, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT ON THE BASIS OF DESIGN THAT THIS ONE IS, UH, LESS CONSISTENT THAN SAY EIGHT 14 NORTH PINE, WHICH IS, IS ON SLIDE 33. WELL, I THINK STIPULATION THREE IS DESCRIBING THAT. I THINK THAT'S DESCRIBING THE, THE WINDOW MATERIAL, PROBABLY STANDARDS, WHICH IS ALUMINUM CLA WOOD. BUT, UH, THANKS FOR THAT. I, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME, SOME THOUGHTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN AND, UH, I, I WOULD, UH, CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH ON PRETTY MUCH, UH, ALL OF HIS COMMENTS. THERE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, REGARDING THE MASSING, I THINK THAT THERE [01:00:01] WERE SOME, SOME AREAS ALONG THE FRONT PORCH THAT I, I CAN SUPPORT THE WAY THAT THAT COMES DOWN, THE, THE FACADE. AND THEN ALSO WHEN IT, WHENEVER YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE WINDOWS, I THINK THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER THE, THE PINE PROJECT COMING THROUGH, UM, THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING. AND I REMEMBER THE, THE, UH, THE, THE WAY THAT WE DESCRIBED THAT. AND NOT ONLY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT UH, IN REGARDS TO THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, CERTIFICATE. I, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S JUST SOME FORMAL AND AND ARRANGEMENT THINGS THAT I HAVE ISSUE AND TAKE ISSUE WITH. UM, AND THEN AS WELL AS THE WAY THAT THAT IS BEING INTERPRETED, UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP BETWEEN WHAT YOU'RE PROVIDING AND WHAT WAS APPROVED AND THAT, UH, I GUESS WAS IT 4 1 4 PINE? UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. UM, SO I, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THERE'S SOME FORMAL ARRANGEMENT THINGS THAT I HAD TO TAKE ISSUE WITH ON THE FACADE AS WELL AS THE MATERIAL AND THE, UH, JUST THE ARRANGEMENT AND SIZING OF THE WINDOWS. UM, WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT 8 1 4 PINE PROJECT WAS THAT THOSE WINDOWS, UH, THEY WERE INTERPRETATIONS, BUT THEY HAD TO BE DONE SPECIFICALLY. UH, AND, AND THEY WERE PROVEN TO BE SPECIFIC, UH, IN THE WAY THAT THE APPLICATION WAS PRE PRESENTED. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE THAT APPLICATION IS PUBLIC, AND THERE WERE SOME VERY GREAT GRAPHIC REPRESENTATIONS OF WHAT THOSE, UH, ELEMENTS WE'RE INTERPRETING, UH, AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC WINDOW, PROPORTIONS, SIZE, LOCATION, UM, THAT REALLY MADE THAT ARGUMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE TWO FACADES, THE EAST AND THE WEST, YOU KNOW, THE PROPORTIONS JUST AREN'T PROVEN AND THEY'RE JUST NOT QUITE RIGHT. UM, TO, TO MEET THAT HISTORIC PRECEDENCE, EVEN AS AN INTERPRETATION, WHICH I, I CAN SUPPORT AN INTERPRETATION OF, OF A HISTORIC WINDOW AND, AND THE GANG WINDOW, UH, CONCEPT. IT'S JUST THAT IT'S NOT QUITE THERE IN MY OPINION. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. WELL THEN, THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD THE SIX INCH MALL IN BETWEEN THEM, AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THE OWNER'S FINE WITH THAT. THE CAPITAL BASIN TRIM. YEAH. UH, I THINK THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT CAP, UH, HAVING CAPITAL BASE AND TRIM ON THE COLUMNS. UM, I FIND THAT A LITTLE ODD GIVEN AGAIN, UH, THE MANY, MANY TIMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE COLUMNS DO NOT HAVE BASE IN, UH, CAP BASE INTERIM, UH, INCLUDING MY OWN HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, INCLUDING LEWIS MCNEIL'S, HOUSE ARCHITECT, LAKE CLAYCO, ACTUALLY TWO OF HIS HOUSES, INCLUDING MULTIPLE RECENT HOMES, HAVE BEEN BUILT, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MORE CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION. IT'S NOT ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, MOLDINGS AND TRIMS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UH, ONE MORE TIME A QUESTION FOR YOU. UH, WHAT'S, WHAT IS THE PROPOSED COLUMN SIZE, THOSE COLUMN SIZE? SIX BY SIX. OKAY. INCH BY SIX INCH. SO IT, IT'S REALLY, UH, AGAIN, A CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION OF, OF THE HISTORIC COLUMN, NOT A LITERAL REPLICATION. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. AND, UM, I WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION OF HISTORIC ELEMENTS, UH, I THINK CAN BE APPROPRIATE, UM, TO AN EXTENT. THE, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT WINDOWS BY COMMISSIONER BOWMAN, I THINK WERE VALID. UM, ESPECIALLY ON THE FRONT FACADE THAT, UH, THAT SQUARE WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR. I KNOW THAT'S BY THE STAIR, AND THOSE WINDOWS TYPICALLY ARE SMALLER, BUT, UM, IT LOOKS ARRANGEMENT WISE OUT OF KILTER WITH THE WINDOW ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, THAT'S ONE COMMENT. AND THE OTHER COMMENT, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING UNLESS I'VE MISSED IT, ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION [01:05:01] MATERIALS FOR THE CARPORT. DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE CARPORT BLANKET? UH, YEAH, SURE. UM, ALRIGHT. SO AS FAR AS THE CARPORT GOES, UH, WE'RE GONNA GET ENGINEER DRAWINGS FOR THAT, AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR THOSE TO COME THROUGH. UM, BUT BASICALLY IT WAS GONNA BE A SLAB ON GRADE, UH, CONCRETE PAD, AND IT'S GONNA HAVE FOUR POSTS WITH A FLAT ROOF THAT'S SLOPED AND, UH, A METAL METAL FLAT ROOF WITH A, WITH A STORAGE SHED. WHAT WERE THERE SPECIFIC, UM, THINGS THAT YOU NEEDED TO SEE FOR THE CARPORT? IS THE FRAMING, IS THE FRAMING WOOD CONSTRUCTION? THE FRAMING WOULD BE WOOD CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT. WE'D DO TWO BY FOUR, UH, WALLS AND, AND, AND SOME, AND, UH, WE HAVE HORIZONTAL SLACKS. SEE, SO THE IDEA IS THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A CONDITIONED SPACE, IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE A WORKSHOP SHED. NOW THE DRAWING SHOWS A ROLLUP GATE. THAT'S WHAT I'M READING CORRECTLY. THERE, THERE IS A ROLLUP GATE, THERE IS A ROLLUP GATE ON THERE. UM, THAT WAS MOSTLY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. I WAS OVER THERE THE OTHER DAY AND IT WAS A LITTLE SKETCHY, UM, BACK THERE. SO I THINK FOR, FOR OUR SECURITY OF OUR FAMILY, WE'D PREFER TO HAVE SOME SORT OF GATE THERE. AND THE IDEA WAS THAT IT WOULD MOSTLY STAY ROLLED UP AND WE JUST DRIVE RIGHT UNDER THE CARPORT. SO THE ROLLUP GATE IS THAT, BUT IS THE ROLLUP GATE, CAN YOU SEE THROUGH IT? IS IT, UH, CORRECT. OKAY. IT'S NOT A SOLID PANEL. IT'S NOT, IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO LIKE WHAT YOU'D SEE AT A, AT A, AT A, YOU KNOW, A GARAGE THAT HAS A ROLL DOWN, UM, ALUMINUM GATE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH. SO WOULD IT READ KIND OF LIKE A SCREENED CARPORT I GUESS FROM THE STREET, CORRECT? YEAH, IT WOULD FROM THE ALLEY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. UM, I'M, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT HARD TIME ENVISIONING THIS PORTION OF THE, THE CARPORT. SO WOULD YOU SAY IT'S KIND OF LIKE THOSE GARAGES WHERE YOU KIND OF LIKE SEE THROUGH, SO WHAT I'M, I'M ENVISIONING IS KIND OF LIKE THE LITTLE, UM, METAL PIECES THAT KIND LIKE, LOOKS LIKE A SQUARE, THIS WHOLE BUNCH OF THOSE, SO YOU CAN SEE THROUGH, BUT THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONED THIS'S MORE LIKE A SCREEN. SO WHICH ONE IS IT? BECAUSE I'M HAVING A PART TIME ENVISIONING NEXT, WELL, I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY CHOSEN IT YET, SO IT CAN BE WHATEVER . I HAD ONE PRODUCT I COULD SEND YOU THE SPEC ON IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING IT. UM, WHAT, WHAT ABOUT IF, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL, MICAH, ABOUT JUST GETTING APPROVAL ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND COMING BACK FOR THE CARPORT? ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT? YEAH, THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. YEAH. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT FULLY IDENTIFIED. SURE. YEAH. UM, AND, AND JEFFREY, I WANTED TO, UH, ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOWS. UM, YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT THE ELEVATION, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD PERHAPS IS THAT WE WOULD MOVE THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOW OVER TOWARD THE SOUTH OR TOWARD THE RIGHT. SO IT WOULD ALIGN WITH THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOW. THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOW IS LIMITED AS FAR AS HOW FAR IT CAN MOVE TO THE NORTH BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SITTING UNDER THE STAIRS. AND, UM, AND SO YEAH, IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE ELEVATION, UH, UH, ON, I DON'T KNOW WHICH PAGE IT IS. UH, WE HAVE IT UP NOW. YEAH, IF THE, IF THE TWO WINDOWS ALIGNED, I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, BE A MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE CONFIGURATION ON THIS. A MAIN FACADE. YEAH. YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. AND I THINK, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE THE, THE UPPER FLOOR OVER SO IT ALIGNS WITH THE ONE BELOW. I THINK THAT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I, I, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I SUPPOSE TAKE A CRACK AT A MOTION HERE. THANK YOU. UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND I BELIEVE THIS IS FINAL APPROVAL, UH, AND NOT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. IS THAT CORRECT, STAFF? THAT IS CORRECT. THE REQUEST WAS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. OKAY. SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MAIN, THE MAIN STRUCTURE, UH, WITH STIPULATIONS TO, AND I WOULD MODIFY, UH, THE STAFF STIPULATION TO REMOVE THE DESCRIPTION THAT THE COLUMNS INCLUDE THE CAPITAL AND BASE, UH, STIPULATIONS, [01:10:01] UH, THREE, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD, UH, OUR STANDARD WINDOWS SPECIFICATIONS, UH, STIPULATION FOUR OR FIVE AND SIX AS WELL, AND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ON THE CARPORT, WHICH WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR ITS OWN FINAL. THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. I SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. FERNANDEZ. AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS. YAY, CARPENTER. AYE. BOWMAN, BOWMAN. AYE. SORRY, SIR. THAT SIR. AYE IS AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ITEM 21, PLEA THERE? YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? HI, YES, MARK. ONE MOMENT. THE FILE IS LOADING. OKAY. [20-7295 Address/Description: 815 QUITMAN ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-462 Historic District Name: Government Hill Applicant: Mark Sullivan Request: Construction of a 2-story commercial structure City Council Dist.: 2] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, CASE NUMBER 20 24 62 AT EIGHT 15 AND EIGHT 19 EQUIPMENT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY 300 OR 3,200 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON THE FINDINGS. IN SUMMARY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT DESIGN AP BRICK MASONRY STRUCTURE SET ADJACENT TO THE FRONT RIGHT OF WAY WITH A FLAT ROOF AND PARAPET WALL, A STOREFRONT AND TRADITIONAL WINDOW FENESTRATION AND APPROPRIATE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED GABLE METAL WAREHOUSE WITH LIMESTONE, MASONRY CLADDING AND FRONT LOADING PARKING STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. ONE, THE PROPOSED SETBACK WITH FRONT LOADING PARKING CREATES AN ATYPICAL CONDITION IN THE DISTRICT AND SHOULD BE REVISED TO RELATE TO EXISTING COMMERCIAL OR UTILITARIAN STRUCTURES, WHICH INCLUDES SETTING THE STOREFRONT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE FRONT WALKWAY, OR MAINTAIN A DEEP SETBACK WITH A FRONT WALKWAY WITH PARKING TO THE SIDE OR REAR. SIMILAR TO THE ARMY LODGE BUILDING AT 1306 EAST GRAYSON TWO, THE GARAGE ARE REQUIRED, THEY SHOULD BE SET TO THE SIDE OR REAR RATHER THAN THE FRONT THREE. WHILE A TYPICAL TWO STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE MAY BE APPROPRIATE, ANNOTATED MAXIMUM HEIGHTS FOR THE PROPOSED AND SURROUNDING BUILDINGS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED BEFORE FINAL REVIEW. FOUR. THE DESIGN SHOULD INCORPORATE STEP DOWNS AND BUILDING HEIGHT, WALL PLANE OFFSETS AND OTHER VARIATION OF BUILDING MAPPING TO PROVIDE A VISUAL TRANSITION WHEN THE HEIGHT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION EXCEEDS THAT OF ADJACENT HISTORIC BUILDINGS BY MORE THAN HALF STORY. FIVE, TYPICAL CURBING FROM GRADE AT THE STREET LEVEL TO A SIDEWALK IS APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES WITH COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE INSTALLED AT GRADE ON A CONCRETE SLAB AND SHOULD BE ANNOTATED AND SUBMITTED BEFORE FINAL REVIEW. SIX LARGE GABLE WAREHOUSES ARE NOT FOUND IN THE DISTRICT, AND THAT A FLAT ROOF BUILDING WITH A BAREFOOT WALL IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. SEVEN. THE FRONT FIRST FLOOR SHOULD FEATURE TRADITIONAL STOREFRONT SYSTEM WITH A SECONDARY WINDOWS FEATURING VERTICAL SASH OR CASEMENT CONFIGURATION, SIMILAR TO THE DIMENSIONS AND SPACING PATTERN TO THAT OF HISTORIC COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES. EIGHT. THE PROPOSED LIMESTONE MASONRY AND SHEET METAL SIDING MATERIALS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THAT A TRADITIONAL BRICK MASONRY STRUCTURE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. NINE. THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE DETAILS ARE NOT FOUND ON COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND SHOULD BE REVISED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. AND 10, THE APPLICANT OR THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. UH, THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE, MR. MARK SULLIVAN. HE HAS ALSO SUBMITTED, UH, TEXT COMMENTS TO ADDRESS EACH OF THE STIPULATIONS. UM, MARK, IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF, UH, AND, AND GO THROUGH THESE AND I WILL SCROLL THROUGH YOUR, UH, YOUR PROJECT FILE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND YOUR, UH, THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION ON THIS, UH, ART STUDIO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND SO THIS, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, IF IT'S OKAY, IS TO ADDRESS EACH OF THESE, UH, ISSUES. UM, THE STAFF HAS, UH, UM, IS, UH, THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO NUMBER ONE, UH, THE PROPOSED SETBACK. UM, IT, IT'S SAYING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE FRONT OF THE LOT. NOW THIS IS A, UH, [01:15:01] IT'S, IT'S, IT WAS TWO LOTS. WE DID GET IT REPLANTED AND, UM, AND WHAT WE ARE HOPING, YES. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, THIS, UH, PROJECT IS FOR OUR, OUR PRIVATE, IT'S ONE STORY. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT SAYS IT'S TWO STORIES. IT'S, UH, IT'S A ONE FLOOR BUILDING. THIS BE ONE WHOLE THING, BUT IT'S WHAT THE F**K, COREY, I'M SORRY. SOME FEEDBACK OR SOME CHATTER. OH, OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? GO AHEAD, MR. SULLIVAN. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, THIS IS, UH, FOR OUR PRIVATE ONE STORY ART STUDIO. UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, IN THE, IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS IT SHOWS THAT IT SAID THAT IT WAS, UH, TWO STORY, BUT, UH, IT'S REALLY A ONE FLOOR, UH, ONE STORY BUILDING. AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THIS IS A PRIVATE ART STUDIO WITH NO COMMERCE. UM, SO THIS IS, UH, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT ON THAT POINT, NUMBER ONE, OUR PRIVATE ONE STORY ART STUDIO WILL PROVIDE A PROPER SETBACK AND PROPER ORIENTATION. SO THIS PROPOSED SETBACK AND ORIENTATION IS ASTUTE AND WILL ALSO BRING SOME SYMMETRY TO EQUIPMENT. SO THIS BUILDING IS OUR PRIVATE PERSONAL ART STUDIO AND NO COMMERCE NOR RETAIL SALES OCCUR. SO EQUIPMENT IS NARROW AND IT IS A ONE-WAY STREET IN FRONT OF US. IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN ALLEYWAY. SO THERE'S ONLY ONE EXISTING BUILDING ON OUR ENTIRE BLOCK FACE, AND IT IS A BANK STORAGE LOCKER WITH NO WINDOWS AND 90% LOT COVERAGE. UM, AND VERY FEW CARS, TRAVEL EQUIPMENT. AND, UM, SO THAT'S JUST, UH, FOR REFERENCE. UH, AND SO THE STAFF REFERENCE ARMY LODGE IS LOCATED ON THE NEXT STREET NORTH, UH, ON GRAYSON AND THEIR PARKING LOT FACES EQUIPMENT. SO THE SUGGESTED PARKING TO THE SIDES OF OUR STUDIO BUILDING REALLY MAY NOT BE ADVISABLE BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY 12 FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH OUR C TWO ZONING ALLOWS A ZERO SETBACK LOT LINE, UM, OUR THOUGHTFUL BUILDING PLACEMENT AND ORIENTATION CREATES A 10 FOOT REAR BUFFER TO HIDE AIR CONDITIONING UTILITIES. UM, SO ANYWAY, WE, MY WIFE AND I WE'RE BOTH EDUCATED ARTISTS AND, UH, AND ENGINEERS. SO WE WANT, UH, OUR PRIVATE PERSONAL ART STUDIO TO PROVIDE FUNCTION AND ALSO LEND AN ELEGANT, SIMPLE AESTHETIC TO EASILY BLEND INTO THIS AREA. SO THAT'S, UH, ADDRESSING THE, UH, FIRST ISSUE OF THAT PROPOSED SETBACK. SO IF YOU SEE ON THE DRAWING, UH, WE, IF WE COULD GET THE, UH, THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE, UH, WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO PLACE THE, THE, UH, BUILDING. IT'S ALSO ON THE, UH, WHERE IT SHOWS THE AERIAL VIEW. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE. WE, UM, IT WAS PRODUCED BY THE, UH, ENGINEERING FIRM OF I S R O. I CAN SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. I BELIEVE IT'S A, A SCHEMATIC VIEW. SO ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S IT, YES. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE, UH, WHERE THE, THE LOT AND THE SITE OF OUR PROPOSED, UH, PRIVATE ART STUDIO IS. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IS THE BIG PARKING LOT OF THE ARMY LODGE. IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT IS A, UH, A BANK STORAGE LOCKER WITH, UH, 90% COVERAGE OF THAT LOT AND NO WINDOWS AND, UM, AND ONE OVERHEAD DOOR. SO THAT IS THE, UH, THAT'S THE ENTIRE BLOCK SPACE. NOW. THERE ARE NO BUILDINGS FACING EQUIPMENT, UH, AT ALL FROM NEW BRAUNFELS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S MUD, WHICH IS, UH, SEVERAL BLOCKS [01:20:01] DOWN, UH, EQUIPMENT. SO, UH, WE, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT, UH, SCHEMATIC AGAIN, PLEASE, WE CAN. SO ANYWAY, ON THAT, I THINK THAT, UH, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS A ONE FLOOR ART STUDIO CLA IN LIMESTONE WITH A METAL ROOF, SOMETHING THAT IS VERY SIMPLE AND VERY, UH, UNOBTRUSIVE AND, UH, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE FOR HERE. UM, SO THAT'S JUST TO ADDRESS THE, THE, THE FIRST POINT THAT, UH, THE STAFF IS SAYING, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, THE SETBACK. SO, UM, I THINK THAT ACTUALLY THIS, UH, THE WAY THAT WE'VE ORIENTED THE BUILDING AND THE NICE SETBACK FROM THE STREET WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE NICEST, UH, ORIENTATION OF ANY BUILDING ON THE ENTIRE STREET. UM, EQUIPMENT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE STREET, IT'S REALLY A, A HODGEPODGE OF, OF BUILDINGS AND, UH, MANY OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN, IT'S LIKE AN ALLEYWAY TO A LOT OF THESE, UH, THESE LARGER BUILDINGS. SO ANYWAY, I THINK THAT, UH, OUR SETBACK IS GOOD. THE ORIENTATION IS GOOD. THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE IN THE FRONT, UH, OUR, YOU CAN SEE IN THE TREE SCHEDULE, UH, MANY TREES AND GARDENS IN THE FRONT OF, UH, OF OUR STUDIO. AND THERE'S ONLY ONE, UH, OVERHEAD DOOR AT THE VERY FAR LEFT. AND, UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR DREAM TO HAVE OUR OWN, UH, ART STUDIO HERE. UM, AND SO WE DO, UH, WE, WE ARE, UH, INVOLVED WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARTS. UH, WE'RE IN THE ARTIST CAPTURE STRATEGY AND ARTIST ATTRACTION INITIATIVE. WE ARE IN THE HUB ZONE AND HER ZONE. WE ARE CERTIFIED WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS, UH, WITH THE REGIONAL CERTIFICATION. AND, UH, UM, AND SO WE ARE AWARE OF THE ARTIST CAPTURE INITIATIVE HERE AND NOW, UH, SAN ANTONIO IS EXPERIENCING AN ARTIST EXODUS AT THIS TIME. WE'RE LOSING, UH, ABOUT ONE ARTIST A MONTH IS LEAVING SAN ANTONIO. AND, UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING A, A CULTURAL EXODUS AND, AND SO HOPEFULLY, UH, YOU WILL APPRECIATE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. UM, MY, MY WIFE, UH, AND I, UH, ARE BOTH, WE BOTH HAVE DEGREES AND SHE HAS A B F A. AND, UH, I HAVE DEGREES IN PHYSICS AND MICROBIOLOGY. AND, UH, I AM A, UH, UH, LICENSED, UH, RADIATION SAFETY OFFICER WITH THE TEXAS, UH, DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES. SO WE'RE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE GHOST OR, UH, OR DISTASTEFUL HERE. I THINK THAT'S, UH, PRIVATE PERSONAL ART STUDIO CLAD IN LIMESTONE WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA, AND IT WOULD BE A, UH, A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT'S, UH, BASICALLY JUST ADDRESSING THAT, UH, ISSUE, UH, NUMBER ONE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, COMMENTS ON THAT, UH, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, THAT, UM, SO I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. SO THE, UH, THIS IS A, BASICALLY A DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE, ONE FLOOR, UH, THE 24 FEET HEIGHT. IS THAT AT THE RIDGE OR IS THAT AT THE EAVE? THAT'S, THAT'S THE RIDGE. AND, AND THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER POINT THAT IT SAID THAT, THAT THAT WAS NOT ANNOTATED, BUT IT HAS BEEN, UM, ANNOTATED IN, IN SEVERAL OTHER TIMES, BUT I DON'T SEE IT LISTED IN THESE DOCUMENTS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS THAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT, UH, AND THERE'S A COUPLE, OKAY, THIS ONE SHOWS NOT, THIS DRAWING THAT'S UP NOW HAS AN 18 FOOT EVE ON, ON THE, ON THE STRUCTURE. UM, OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. [01:25:01] SO THE 24 FOOT AT THE RIDGE IS, UH, IS THAT, IS ALLOWED AND IT, IT IS NOT HIGHER THAN THE OTHER BUILDINGS, UH, SURROUNDING. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE, UM, WELL THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES HERE THAT, THAT YOU'VE ADDRESSED IN YOUR LETTER TO THE COMMISSION AND, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER THIS MIGHT NEED TO GO TO A, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO, UH, GO THROUGH ALL THESE IN MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON THAT. I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. UH, CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK SOMETHING THAT I WANT MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS KEEP IN MIND IS THE CONTEXT OF, UH, THIS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GONNA BE CHANGING , THE PROJECT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN AND IMPROVEMENT. UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE IS A KIND OF A GREATER DENSIFICATION AND KIND OF MORE OF AN URBAN, UH, APPROACH TO, UH, THESE SURROUNDING BLOCKS SOON TO COME. AND I'M, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THIS, UH, FRONT FACING PARKING LOT THAT PRESENTS ITSELF. UH, SO I WISH IT COULD BE TUCKED BACK BEHIND AND HAVE THIS THING MEET, MEET THE EDGE, UH, MEET THE STREET IN, IN A MORE, UH, ACCEPTABLE MANNER. SO I I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF A DESIGN REVIEW, UH, REVIEW OF THIS BUDGET. IS THAT A MOTION? THAT IS A MOTION COMMISSIONER. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO SEND THIS TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? HERNANDEZ? AYE. YES. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE. BETS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. HEY, ADAM, TWIN RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? LET'S SEE, I MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE YOU. OH, CO. BEFORE WE LEAVE, UH, EQUIPMENT, WAS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE MISSED? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, RACHEL, I'LL JUST SENT YOU AN UNMUTE REQUEST. I BELIEVE THERE ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON, ON THIS CASE. YES, THERE ARE. OKAY, GO AHEAD. [20-7338 Address/Description: 319 DELAWARE HDRC Case No.: 2020-461 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Julio Vazquez/Payaya Design & Build Request: Installation of a rear accessory structure constructed from two shipping containers City Council Dist.: 1] ITEM NUMBER 22 H D RT, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 4 61 3 19 DELAWARE, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTED FROM TWO SHIPPING CONTAINERS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH H. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A REAR HISTORY STRUCTURE CONDITION THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE DISTRICT, AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES ROOF FORMS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPOLOGY FOUND IN THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS NOTED IN FINDING E AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN, WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS, AND THE HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND IN THE VACA HISTORIC DISTRICT AS NOTED IN FINDING G AND THE APPLICANT, JULIO IS ON THE LINE. JULIO, YOU MAY HAVE YOUR VOLUME ON THE LIVE STREAM, IF YOU DON'T MIND MUTING THAT FIRST. OKAY. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION. THIS IS JOSE FLORES WITH JULIO VASQUEZ. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY NOW? YES, WE CAN. YES. ALRIGHT. UH, RACHEL, CAN WE START ON SLIDE 12 PLEASE? AND I'LL GIVE IT A COUPLE SECONDS THERE TO LOAD. GREAT. WE ARE ON SLIDE NOW. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE. UH, THE PROJECT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE CONSTRUCTED OUT OF A 40 FOOT SHIPPING CONTAINER, UH, CONNECTED TO A MIDDLE CARPORT COVER AND NEW SHED MADE OUT OF A 20 FOOT SHIPPING CONTAINER. THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE END OF DELAWARE STREET, UP AGAINST THE HIGHWAY, AND ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE, UH, SLIDE 13, IT, UH, SHOWS THE VIEW FROM BEHIND THE PROPERTY ON SADIE STREET, GIVES YOU A BETTER IDEA OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS SITUATED. UM, SORRY, RACHEL, I THINK I HAVE DIFFERENT SLIDES THAN WHAT I WAS, UH, YEAH, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE OLD, UH, DESIGN. YEAH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S FROM THE LAST MEETING. THERE WE GO. YEAH. UH, 12, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. . UH, THANK YOU. UH, SO THE SITE IS LOCATED AT THE END OF DELAWARE STREET, UP AGAINST THE HIGHWAY, AND, UM, HERE GIVES YOU A GOOD OVERVIEW OF EXACTLY WHERE IT'S SITUATED. UM, AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE ON 13, UH, IT SHOWS THE VIEW OF BEHIND THE PROPERTY ON [01:30:01] SADIE STREET. AND, UM, UH, MOVING ON TO, I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS A COUPLE SECONDS TO, TO LOOK AT THAT ONE. BUT ON SLIDE 14, UH, HERE WE CAN SEE THE SCALE OF THE SECONDARY DWELLING AS WELL AS ITS DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS AND FEATURES. AND CONTINUING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, THERE IS NO BETTER EXAMPLE THAN AN EXISTING CONTAINER HOME IN THE KING WILLIAMS. SO THERE IS ONE LOCATED ON ST. MARY'S STREET, BEHIND THE GOOD KIND. UH, BACK IN 2010, THE CONTAINER GUEST HOUSE WAS BUILT BY SOUTH TOWNS PETITE ARCHITECTS AND WAS FEATURED IN AN ARTICLE BY DWELL CALLED SMALLER IN TEXAS. ALSO TO NOTE OUR FINAL PRODUCT WILL FEATURE SIMILAR LANDSCAPING AND MATERIAL LANGUAGE, UM, AND ON THE RIGHT ARE EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR ILLUSTRATIONS FROM OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IN OUR PROJECT, UH, THE WINDOWS FACING THE HIGHWAY WILL BE OUT OF THE SAME STYLE AND PROPORTIONS. AND ALSO THE HOME ON 3 0 2 BARRA WAS BUILT WITH A SIMILAR ROOFTOP DECK AND SPIRAL STAIRCASE AS THE ONE WE ARE PROPOSING. UM, FINALLY ON SLIDE 17, LASTLY HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS WITH DETAILS. I'M HAPPY TO GO INTO FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THEM, UH, IF ANY QUESTIONS ARISE. UH, BUT BEFORE I FINISH, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR ALL YOUR GUIDANCE, UH, FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS. UM, AND, UM, THANK YOU. AND I'LL HAND IT OVER. SO THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, A QUESTION ABOUT THE EXTERIOR WALL FINISH ON THESE CONTAINERS. YOU'RE PROPOSING TO LEAVE THE METAL CONTAINER EXPOSED AND JUST PAINT IT, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN THE, UH, I'M LOOKING AT DRAWING SEVEN, THE DRAWING 17 THAT'S UP THERE. NOW THERE'S SEVERAL ELEMENTS THAT, UH, YOU SAY WOULD LOOK SIDING. UH, CAN YOU EX EXPOUND ON WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS AND WHAT THE FINISHES? UM, THE FINAL, UH, ACTUAL, UH, MATERIAL CHOICE IS STILL UNDETERMINED, ALTHOUGH IT WILL BE A, UH, WOOD MATCHING THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO IT'S MEANT JUST TO BE KIND OF A FACADE WOOD TO GIVE THE TERRACE SOME, UH, PRIVACY FROM THE HIGHWAY. OKAY. UH, YOU'RE, CAN I, THERE'S A, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, NOT JUST A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. SO CORRECT. HAVING UNIDENTIFIED MATERIALS MAY KICK THIS BACK TO A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IF WE GET THAT FAR. OKAY. NOW, UH, ON THAT TYPE OF SIDING, UH, ON THE ROOF, UH, DECK, WE'RE USING THE SAME SIDING AS THE HOUSES, UH, THE SHIPLAP, UH, WOOD. AND THEN, UH, PAINT IT OVER. UH, THAT'S WHAT, UH, YOU GUYS ARE REQUESTING. SO THAT COLOR RIGHT THERE, THAT WAS MORE LIKE A STAIN, BUT IF YOU WANT US TO PAINT IT OVER, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT NO, THE WOOD, IT WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE, WHAT THEY'RE USING ON THE, UH, AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SHIPLAP, UH, TWO BY FOURS, I MEAN ONE BY FOUR, ONE BY EIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM. UH, YES, I'M SORRY. UM, FROM PATTY ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, RATIONS FOR THREE 19 DELAWARE STREET. THE PROPOSED REAR STRUCTURES, WHICH ARE VISIBLE FROM THE HIGHWAY DO NOT RELATE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE INAPPROPRIATE AND PATTERN FORM MATERIALS. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. AND WE DID ADDRESS THAT CONCERN OF THE ROOF MASSING, UH, BY ADDING A ROOF THAT MATCHES THE PITCH OF THE MAIN HOUSE. UM, SO WHEN YOU SEE IT FROM THE HIGHWAY, IT DOES READ AS A ROOF FROM, UH, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER HOUSE. AND IT WOULD SHOW ON, UH, THAT LIGHT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ON SOUTH ELEVATION TO YOUR RIGHT, UH, HALF OF THE 40 FOOT CONTAINER WILL BE, UH, IT WILL HAVE A PITCH, UH, OUR PANEL, UH, CORRUGATED METAL, SIMILAR TO THE REST OF THE, UH, HOUSES, UH, HOUSES, UH, HOUSES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WE'RE GOING WITH OUR [01:35:01] PANEL, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE, UH, UH, STANDING SEA, UH, ROOF, DEPENDING ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. CHAIRMAN, UH, DID THIS GO TO A D R C MEETING? IT DID GO TO A D R C, WHICH I ATTENDED, AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ ATTENDED. UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT, UH, MATERIALS. UH, THERE WAS AT THAT TIME, I BELIEVE, DISCUSSION WHETHER THE, UH, METAL SIDING OF THE CONTAINERS WOULD BE CLAD IN, IN, UH, LAP SIDING OR NOT, OR BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING. AND, UM, I THINK AT THAT TIME IT WAS UNDECIDED, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THIS PRESENTATION IT WAS, UM, LEFT EXPOSED AND PAINTED. UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE PITCHED ROOF. UH, WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, STRUCTURES ON SLIDE 15 THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, RACHEL, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE 15? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE OTHER, UH, THE PICTURES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE SHOWED THE RETTA STREET? YES, THAT SLIDE IS UP NOW. OKAY. SO YEAH, THAT, I KNOW THAT ONE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, UH, UH, FROM YOU GUYS, UM, ABOUT THE WINDOWS. UM, AND WE REALIZED THAT THERE'S A FEW HOUSES, NEW PROJECTS, NEW HOUSES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED SIMILAR WINDOWS. I, I, UH, DESIGNED FIVE 15 LAY STREET, AND THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME GUIDELINES. UH, WE, WE DID HAVE A DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS TO GO THROUGH THAT WAS SEPARATE FROM, UM, FROM THE CITY, UH, BECAUSE THESE LOTS WERE AUCTIONED OFF. UH, BUT I, I GET YOUR, YOUR WE AND YOUR, UH, WHY YOU'RE SHOWING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, AND I'M GONNA BE VERY HONEST, I THINK THE CONTEXT OF THE HIGHWAY, UH, REALLY IS SORT OF THE GAME CHANGER FOR ME IN CONSIDERING THIS PROJECT IS BEING APPROPRIATE BECAUSE I THINK WITHIN THE, THE CONTEXT OF, OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK IT'S STANDS OUT PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, AND, UH, I TEND TO AGREE WITH STAFF AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY MAKES THE, THE COMMENT THAT BECAUSE OF ITS VISIBILITY FROM THE FREEWAY, THAT ACTUALLY WORKS AGAINST THE PRO THE PROJECT. BUT FOR ME, THAT FREEWAY CONTEXT IS, UM, SORT OF UN UNREDEEMABLE ANYWAYS, , IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S JUST, IT'S A HIGHWAY. AND, UM, SO I, I THINK THERE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LATITUDE, UH, WITH THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF ITS, UH, ADJACENCY TO, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, IF WE WERE TO GET APPROVAL CONTINGENT WITH, UM, LANDSCAPING SOME SHRUBS, UH, BAMBOO, UH, SIMILAR, UM, PLANTS IN THE AREA TO COVER THE CONTAINER THAT'S SEEN FROM THE HIGHWAY, AT LEAST AS FAR THE METAL PART, THE METAL, UH, EXTERIOR. UH, WOULD YOU GUYS BE WILLING TO, UM, ALLOW THAT, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH, I THINK, I THINK LANDSCAPE THAT MINIMIZES VISIBILITY FROM THE VISIBILITY, I GUESS FROM THE, FROM THE AREA LOOKING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FROM WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF WOULD, WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, I DO WANNA POINT, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE, THE SLIDE WITH THE PRECEDENT. UM, I DON'T THINK THE SHIPPING CONTAINER THAT YOU SEE, THAT YOU SEE THERE IS A 40 FOOT CONTAINER. IT MAY BE, BUT I THINK GENERALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS AS SMALL, MINIMAL, UM, LOW VISIBILITY CONTRIBUTIONS, THERE'S GENERALLY MORE FLEXIBILITY. AND I, I, I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH SHIPPING CONTAINERS BEFORE, UM, NOT IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT PROBABLY IN EL PASO AND SOME PLACES IN COMMERCIAL SETTINGS, AND I KNOW THEY'RE REALLY TOUGH TO MAKE USE OF. AND YOU'RE PROPOSING TWO SIDE BY SIDE. THE SECOND ONE IS THAT REALLY JUST STORAGE THE SMALLER ONE? YES, SIR. CORRECT. YES. UM, THE [01:40:01] IDEA IS TO USE IT AS A WORKSHOP STORAGE AREA FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. UM, THE OWNER OF THE HOME IS A CAR ENTHUSIAST AND SHE REWORKS CAR ENGINES. UM, SO SHE NEEDS SOMEWHERE, UM, NIGHT ALSO SOMEWHERE SECURITY WISE THAT CAN HAVE ALL THOSE TOOLS IN THERE, UM, AND MATCHES THE, UM, STYLE AND EXTERIOR, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE MAIN, UH, MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE HOUSE. UM, AND SO THAT WAY THEY, THEY WORK TOGETHER, UM, AS A, AS PART OF THE BACKYARD, NOT JUST AS INDEPENDENT COMPONENTS, BUT ALSO AS A SPACE FOR ENTERTAINMENT, A SPACE FOR GUESTS. UM, VERY SIMILAR TO ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE INTENTION IS FROM THE PETITE ARCHITECTS CONTAINER HOUSE. UM, AND I, I APOLOGIZE THAT OUR ROUGH DRAWING MAY NOT COMMUNICATE THAT WELL ENOUGH. UM, ALTHOUGH, UM, HOPEFULLY THE PRESIDENT, UH, IS ENOUGH TO, UH, TO, TO GIVE, OFFER SOME CONVINCING, WELL, I WOULD SAY PRECEDENT, PRECEDENT THAT THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISHER AGAIN, SORRY. I THINK PRECEDENT THAT TO CONTEMPORARY INTERVENTIONS ISN'T REALLY PRECEDENT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S HOW, UH, HOW WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THAT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN, IN TERMS OF PROBABLY VISIBILITY AND APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS AS THE GUIDELINES DIRECT. AND IN THOSE OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THAT HAPPENED, WE LOOK AT THOSE ON A, YOU KNOW, AS A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS AND EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF THOSE PIECES. UM, SO JUST, JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH MY LAST QUESTION REAL QUICK, UM, THAT THE ONE THAT'S LABELED STORAGE IS ACTUALLY WORKSHOP, NOT JUST STORAGE, IT'S PART OF YOUR, IT IS STORAGE. NO, IT IS JUST STORAGE, YES. OKAY. I, I'M ON THE, I'M REALLY ON THE, ON THE FENCE WITH THIS ONE. IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I'D BE HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO LISTEN TO SOME SAVED ADVICE HERE. IF I MIGHT ADD, UM, UH, I KNOW THE WORRY IS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE A TYPE OF EYESORE. UM, AND, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO TO REMEDIATE, UH, SOME OF THOSE, UH, FEELINGS IS THAT, UH, THE CONTAINER IS NOT OUR FIRST PROJECT. UH, WE DO HAVE OTHER WORKING PROJECTS RIGHT NOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MUST COMMUNICATE A CERTAIN LANGUAGE THAT MATCHES THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH US WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO BETTER LEARN AND ALSO ADAPT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SEEING IT FROM THE HIGHWAY, UM, AND USE, UH, THE CONTAINER WILL STAND OUT. IT DOES STAND OUT. IT IS, UH, UH, A TYPE OF BUILDING THAT DOES CALL ATTENTION, AND IT'S A LOT OF POSITIVE ATTENTION. UH, WE HAVE ONE PROJECT NEXT TO THE ALAMO DOME THAT GETS A LOT OF SMILES, GETS A LOT OF, UH, POSITIVE, UH, OUTLOOKS. AND, UM, IT IS, UH, THE FIRST OF A PROJECT THAT IS STARTING TO CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE HISTORICAL GUIDELINES ARE THERE FOR A REASON TO HELP MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL CULTURE AND, UM, AND ESSENCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE TIMES WHEN, OF COURSE, UM, THAT ESSENCE HAS TO TRANSFORM AND MODERNIZE. AND, UM, SHIPPING CONTAINERS HAVE MANY ADVANTAGES. UM, I CAN GO OVER THEM, UH, FURTHER IN DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE. UM, BUT IN SHORT, UH, THE CONTAINER HOUSE, UM, IS A HOUSE THAT IS VERY ADAPTABLE, IT'S MODULAR, UM, AND IT IS A TYPE OF LIFESTYLE LIVING THAT CAN OFFER A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO SOMEONE. UM, AND, UM, TO CONTINUE, UH, UM, AS A, UH, AS A GOOD HOME. I HAVE ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN. UH, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS DRIVING THE TWO FOOT, UH, ELEVATION ABOVE GRADE ONE MORE TIME? WHAT'S DRIVING THE, THE, THE TWO FOOT, UH, ELEVATION? WHY IS IT RAISED UP TWO FEET, ONE INCHES? OH, YEAH. THIS, UH, UH, 18 INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND, THAT'S FOR THE PIERS. UH, WE'RE GOING WITH, UH, CONCRETE, UH, UH, PIERS. UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING, WE'RE GOING WITH 18 INCHES, UH, ABOVE THE GROUND. NOW, DO YOU WANT US, I MEAN, DO YOU GUYS REQUIRE IT TO BE LESS OR TALLER OR WHAT'S, WELL, YOUR DRAWINGS SHOW TWO FEET AND, UM, IT WAS KIND OF PERPLEXING TO ME AS TO WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT. YOU KNOW, USUALLY WHEN WE SEE [01:45:01] THESE THINGS, THEY'RE SET ON A PAD, UM, THEY'RE ELEVATED TO A PLUMBING, AND I ASSUME THERE'S PLUMBING INVOLVED WITH THIS ONE. SO IF IT, YES, UH, OH, ON THE, UH, ON THE MAIN 40 FOOT CONTAINER, YES, IT IS GOING TO BE, UH, 18 INCHES ABOVE THE GROUND. AND THEN ON THE, UH, ON THE STORAGE, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE, UH, LEVEL TO THE GROUND. UH, PROBABLY ABOUT SIX INCHES, UH, ABOUT THE GROUND. THE REASON WHY WE ARE PUTTING, UH, THE, I MEAN THE, THE STORAGE CONTAINER CAN JUST GO ON BASICALLY BRICKS, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE WANNA HAVE THAT, UH, PITCH FROM ONE CONTAINER TO ANOTHER. SO WE'RE THINKING OF GOING BY BETWEEN SIX OR EIGHT INCHES, UH, ABOVE THE GROUND ON THE STORAGE. BUT YEAH, THE STORAGE TECHNICALLY CAN JUST GO ON THE GROUND BECAUSE IT'S JUST STORAGE. BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS, THIS, ON THIS, ON THIS OCCASION, IT'S DUE TO THE PITCH ON THE, UH, BECAUSE IT CONNECTS TO THE ROOF FOR THE 40 FOOT CONTAINER. WELL, I MEAN, I'M ASKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT BECAUSE THE HEIGHT IS CONTRIBUTING TO ITS VISIBILITY, NOT JUST FROM THE HIGHWAY, BUT FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST AND THE THE NORTH. SO JUST LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITY, MINIMIZE THAT. SO THE NE THE NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, ARE THE BACKYARDS. AND EVEN AT THAT, THE BACKYARDS HAVE, UM, THESE GARAGES AND CARPORTS. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY VERY LITTLE VISIBILITY FROM WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOWARDS THIS HOUSE. THE ONLY VISIBILITY OF THIS HOUSE WOULD COME FROM THE HIGHWAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. UM, I, I, I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE START TRYING TO WRAP THE, THE CONTAINERS WITH OTHER MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK PART OF THE, THE AESTHETIC HERE IS THEY ARE CONTAINERS AND THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN UTILITY AND KINDA UNIVERSAL ASPECT TO IT THAT I THINK IS PART OF THEIR, THEIR CHARM AND INTEREST. I, I AM A LITTLE LESS, UH, ENAMORED WITH THE ROOF FORM THAT IS FORMING THE, THE CARDBOARD. IT FEELS, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, WHAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SPAN THAT DISTANCE, THAT THIN, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A TRUSS OR MORE OF A FRAME STRUCTURE, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY REQUIRES FOR ME A LOT MORE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT KIND OF CONNECTS WITH THE TWO, UH, TWO STRUCTURES. I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE AS THE LID FOR THE STORAGE UNIT, BUT HOW IT JUST KIND OF COLLIDES WITH THE TERRACE OF THE, OF THE, UH, WORKSHOP. IT SEEMS A LITTLE INEL TO ME. UM, AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, THE TERRACE IS, UH, AFFORDING YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GETTING A VIEW OF UP THERE? UM, IS THAT OKAY TO SEE, SEE THE DOWNTOWN AREA OR WHAT, WHY, WHY ARE YOU GOING WORK ABOUT THIS? UM, YES SIR. IN THE BACKYARD, UM, THERE IS A CLEAR VIEW OF THE TOWER OF THE AMERICAS AND THE OWNER, UH, LOVES BEING ABLE TO SEE IT AT NIGHT AND ALSO THE FIREWORKS, UM, THAT WOULD COME FROM IT ON, ON THE HOLIDAYS. UM, SO THE TERRACE WOULD BE A PLACE THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY ALSO HAVE A KIND OF BALCONY AREA WITH, WITH A, WITH THE SAME VIEW. UM, AND AS FAR AS THE, THE METAL, THE METAL CARPORT? YEAH. OH YEAH. WE'RE USING PURLINS, UH, TO CONNECT BOTH, UH, UM, CONTAINERS. AND THEN THE, ON THE DECK, ON THE ROOFTOP DECK, UH, WE'RE USING THE PRESSURE TREATED, UH, ONE BY UH, ONE BY SIX, UH, FIVE EIGHT, UH, THICKNESS, UH, NORMAL, UH, DECK, UH, WOOD PRESSURE, TREATED WOOD. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, PARTICULARLY ON THAT, THAT, UH, ROOF STRUCTURE AND HOW IT IS, IS BEING FRAMED AND THAT KIND OF THING. I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO IT BEING ACTUALLY MORE EXPOSED TRUST. IT'S SORT OF SPEAKS OF KIND OF THE KID OF PARTS NATURE OF THIS, THIS DESIGN WHERE WE'RE TAKING, UH, THESE EXISTING COMPONENTS AND PUTTING THEM TOGETHER. RIGHT NOW, THAT ROOF FORM DOES NOT FEEL RIGHT TO ME. AND SO I WOULD MOVE FOR, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT WITH A FOLLOW UP OF, WITH THE D R C, I THINK TO, TO, TO CONCLUDE AND, UH, REFINE THE, THE DESIGN OF, OF SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER. I THINK THAT OKAY. NO, NO, GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER FISH. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I WOULD SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMENT? OKAY. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ. A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES. AYE. SORRY, FISH. [01:50:02] AYE. GIBBS. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN. AYE THAT AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, A REMINDER ITEM 23 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 24. [20-7333 Address/Description: 432 KING WILLIAM HDRC Case No.: 2020-541 Landmark Name: Nix House #1 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Peter M & Shelley A GALBRAITH Request: Wood window replacement, porch decking replacement with a composite decking material City Council Dist.: 1] EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE, ? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 25 41 4 32. KING WILLIAM, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THREE WINDOWS AND A SIDE WINDOW BAY THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY REPAIRED WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS AND TWO, TO REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL PORCH DECKING WITH COMPOSITE DECKING. MATERIAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS BE REPAIRED USING LIKE MATERIALS IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT MODIFY THE FRAMES AND SEAL PROFILES NOTED IN FINDING B NEW ES AND FRAMES SHOULD MATCH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE. AND TWO, THE PROPOSED PORCH DECKING FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, MS. SHELLY GABRA ON THE PHONE. UM, MS. GABRA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD? YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I'M THE HOMEOWNER AND WHAT I WANTED TO, UM, LET YOU KNOW IS THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE ABOUT THE WINDOWS. WE ARE TRYING TO REPAIR THOSE, UH, THREE BAY WINDOWS. HOWEVER, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PORCH FLOORING RECOMMENDATION. UH, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE MATERIAL I REQUESTED, PROVIDED THAT IT'S SMOOTH AND THE PROFILE AND THE PHOTOS THAT I'VE PROVIDED, WHICH ARE ON THE LAST FOUR PAGES OF THE PROJECT FILE, UM, IS IF YOU LOOK AT IT FAIRLY SMOOTH, ANY SMOOTHER, AND IT WOULD CAUSE A SLIP HAZARD. THESE, THIS IS COMPOSITE MATERIAL, IT'S, IT'S PLASTIC, UM, AND THE COMPOSITE PRODUCT WE PREFER, WHICH IS IN THE PHOTOS, IS TIMBER TECH BY AZAC. UM, OUR PORCH ISN'T WIDE, IT'S ONLY ABOUT SEVEN FEET WIDE AT IT, AT ITS WIDEST POINT. I'M, I'M TALKING DEEP, UH, AND YOU CAN'T SEE ANY WOOD PROFILE ON THE FLOOR OF THE PORCH FROM THE STREET. WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY ORIGINAL MATERIAL. AND AEC AND SIMILAR COMPOSITES HAVE BEEN USED BY A NUMBER OF HOMEOWNERS AND CONTRACTORS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'M REQUESTING THAT WE RECEIVE APPROVAL TO USE THIS PRODUCT, WHICH IS THE ONLY ONE WE CAN FIND THAT, UM, MEETS ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS AND HISTORICAL REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. THANK YOU CORY. DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? UM, YES WE DO. UM, SO I HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AND THEN OUR CALLER WAS ALSO WITH THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE THE SAME COMMENT. SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND JUST READ IT. UM, THIS GOES FROM MICKEY CONRAD, UM, REGARDING 4 32 KING WILLIAMS STREET. UM, THE KING ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND OFFERS THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE, APPROVE THE OWNER'S REQUEST, REPLACE THE WOOD WINDOW SASHES TO MATCH THE PROFILE OF THE EXISTING SASH. EXISTING WINDOW FRAME WILL BE REPAIRED AND TWO, APPROVE THE PORCH FLOORING MATERIAL AS SUBMITTED. SIMILAR MATERIAL HAS BEEN APPROVED ON SEVERAL PREVIOUS H C R C CASES IN KING WILLIAM. UM, RACHEL, HAVE WE, HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO GET LISA LYNN ON THE LINE? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE OUR CALLER, SO, BUT I THINK IT WAS THE SAME COMMENT. SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND I, I, I CONCUR WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ASSESSMENT AND I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL. IT'S CLOSE TO SMOOTH, IT'S NOT REPLACING, UH, ORIGINAL MATERIAL HERE. I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION ONE AND THE MATERIAL, UH, AS SUBMITTED THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM 25, GET THE FILE PULLED UP. HIGHWAY [20-7325 Address/Description: 2620 N MAIN AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-527 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Berkeley Lewis/Berkeley Builders, Inc. Request: Skirting replacement City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25, CASE NUMBER 20 25 27 AT 26 20 NORTH MAIN AVENUE, [01:55:01] THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE WOOD LAP FOUNDATION SKIRTING WITH SKIRTING STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE SKIRTING BE RESTORED TO WOOD LAP SIDING. THE APPLICANT MAY USE A SINGLE MEMBER OF SMOOTH HARDY PLANK AND OR CONCEALED METAL FLASHING AT GRAY TO MITIGATE WATER INFILTRATION AND THAT ANY OTHER INTERVENTION SHOULD BE MADE BENEATH THE WOOD LAB SIDING OR FROM THE INTERIOR AT THE APPLICANT. UH, MR. LEY LEWIS, UH, REPRESENTING THE HOMEOWNER ON THE LINE TODAY, UH, MR. LEWIS, DID YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND EXPLAIN, UH, YOUR POSITION ON THIS REQUEST? I DO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS YOU SENT ME ON THE LAST TWO SLIDES WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR ME TO GO TO THOSE. OKAY. UH, YES. THIS IS BERKELEY LEWIS. UM, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR OUR SITUATION TODAY. UM, I GOT INTO THIS FAIRLY LATE AND, UH, WE DID ONE CERTIFICATE, UH, OF APPROPRIATENESS EARLIER WITH KATIE TOTMAN REGARDING, UM, SOME WINDOW AND SIDING WORK. UM, AND WE KIND OF GOT THIS ONE RIGHT IN AT THE VERY END. SO THE APPLICATION WAS SOMEWHAT ABBREVIATED BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT. UM, IN IN POINT OF FACT, THE ORIGINAL SKIRTING WAS NOT WOOD. IT, THE WOOD FOUNDING THE WOOD THAT THAT WAS THERE, THAT WAS REMOVED BY THE CURRENT OWNER WAS A REPLACEMENT FOR A STONE AND BRICK SKIRTING, WHICH WAS THERE ORIGINALLY AND WAS ALL COLLAPSED UNDER THE HOUSE. UM, THE OWNER, WHEN THEY TOOK THE, THE WOOD DOWN, FOUND ALL THIS RUB, UH, REMOVED. MOST OF IT, ALTHOUGH NOT ALL OF IT, SAVED SOME OF IT FOR LANDSCAPING. AND SO THE REQUEST IS TO REPLACE THE SKIRTING WITH A MATERIAL SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. IN OTHER WORDS, THAT MASONRY TYPE OF SKIRTING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE STAND NOW. AND OF COURSE, UH, THE OWNER OBVIOUSLY, UH, JUMPED THE GUN AND PUT THAT IN, UH, WITHOUT SIR THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UH, IF I HAD BEEN INVOLVED, WE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT. UM, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 50 YEARS NOW AND, UH, WORKED WITH MANY O PS, UM, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY YOU DO BUSINESS. UM, SO I WOULD APPRECIATE EITHER, UH, A CONTINUATION OF THIS. MAYBE WE CONTINUE IT TO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING UNLESS YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION NOW. UH, I DID SEND A COUPLE OF QUICK PHOTOGRAPHS OVER TO MR. F, UH, THAT, UM, SHOWED SOME OF THE RUBBLE THAT WAS UNDER THE HOUSE, BUT, UH, WE HAVE, WE CAN GET SIGNED AFFIDAVITS AND ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT WAS THERE, BUT IT WAS AT ONE TIME A MASONRY SKIRTING. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS. WE DO, UM, PAUL KINISON, UM, UM, WE CONCUR WITH O H P STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR OPINION. AND THAT'S ON BEHALF OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I I'M STRUGGLING TO, I'M LOOKING AT THE IMAGES THAT YOU SUBMITTED, I THINK AT THE VERY END OF THE APPLICATION, UM, UM, THAT, THAT'S TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE WAS AN EXISTING MASONE RES SKIRTING OR PREVIOUSLY EXISTING MASONE RES SKIRTING. THERE MORE EVIDENCE THAN IS AVAILABLE IN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT THAT WAS? OR IS THIS THE EXTENT OF THE EVIDENCE THAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE? OH, WELL, NO, WE HAVE, UM, THE OWNER HAS STILL ON HER POSSESSION, A LOT OF THE STONE AND BRICK MATERIAL THAT WAS REMOVED FROM UNDER THE HOUSE. MOST OF IT WAS PART OF THE WAY BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE WAY OF, IT WAS CLEARING UP THE ENTIRE UNDERSIDE OF THE HOUSE. BUT WE HAVE SWORN AFFIDAVIT, UH, FROM PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE REMOVAL OF THE MATERIAL THAT WAS UNDER THE HOUSE. IT WAS LITERALLY A, THE REMAINS OF AN OLD WALL. UM, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING DO WE NEED TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE JANUARY MEETING SO WE CAN GET MORE EVIDENCE TOGETHER? UH, I DIDN'T, [02:00:01] THAT WAS MY BAD. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THAT. OKAY. ARE THERE, DO YOU SUSPECT THERE MIGHT BE PHOTO PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF A, OF A PREVIOUS SKIRTING AND HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK FOR THAT? I ANSWER TO THAT. I, UH, I AM FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE, UH, ARCHIVES. I WAS, UH, AND STILL, I'M ACTUALLY A STUDENT AT U T S A IN THEIR MA UH, MASTER'S OF SCIENCE AND ARCHITECTURE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND WE WERE EXPOSED TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ARCHIVES. SO I HAVE NOT DONE A , LIKE I SAID, I GOT INTO THIS VERY LATE IN THE GAME THAT I CAN, I CAN DO THAT. UH, THE OWNER DOES NOT HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS. OKAY. THANKS FOR THAT. I, I THINK THAT EVIDENCE, I THINK THAT EVIDENCE WOULD BE IMPORTANT. SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE AND MAYBE, MAYBE THERE CAN BE ADDITIONAL EL EVIDENCE OF SUPPORT A MASONRY TYPE BASE HERE. SO I, I WOULD MOVE TO CONTINUE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SECOND. I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT'S THE BEST COURT TO TAKE. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ. AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE THAT SIR? AYE, MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UH, MAY I, IF YOU HAVE TIME FOR A QUICK QUESTION VERY QUICK, PLEASE. UM, WOULD I SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION OR WOULD I JUST AMEND THE OLD ONE? UH, NO SIR. JUST CONTINUE WORKING WITH MR. FAM REGARDING YOUR MATERIALS AND WE'LL GET YOU SCHEDULED. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. MM-HMM. . NEXT IS ITEM 26. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? OH, YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 [20-7331 Address/Description: 345 E SUMMIT AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-518 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Nathan DeWindt Request: Painting of brick facade City Council Dist.: 1] H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH FIVE 18. THE, UH, 3 45 EAST SUMMIT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR BRICK OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND THE APPLICANT, NATHAN DEWIN IS ON THE LINE. NATHAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR REQUEST? YEAH, UM, THANKS FOR HAVING ME GUYS. UM, I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK POINTS. UM, I, I'M AWARE OF THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, AND I GUESS MY, MY CASE IS THERE'S, THERE'S TWO MAIN ISSUES THAT I WANTED TO COME UP WITH ON THE SLIDE. I THINK IT'S SLIDE 13. UM, IT'S TOUGH TO SEE IN THAT PHOTO, BUT THERE'S EVIDENT CRACKING FROM LOOKING LIKE SETTLING. UM, AND WHEN I GOT THE FOUNDATION INSPECTION BACK, UM, A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, IT LOOKS LIKE I'M RIGHT AT TOLERANCE. UM, AND SO MY TWO BIGGEST CONCERNS, ONE IS IN ORDER TO FIX THE CRACKING THAT'S ALREADY THERE, UM, AND ANY SUBSEQUENT CRACKING THAT MIGHT COME FROM FIXING ANY SORT OF FOUNDATION 'CAUSE I'M ON THE FENCE, UM, IF IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO MATCH THAT, THAT GROUT LINE WITH THE BRICK, UM, AND IT BECOMES KIND OF AN EYESORE. UM, AND SO NOT BEING ABLE TO, TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR KIND OF LIMITS ME IN THE ABILITY TO EVEN WANT TO TAKE ON ADJUSTING ANY SORT OF FOUNDATION ISSUES. UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT WALL THAT'S ON SHOOK AVENUE, UM, WILL BECOME PRETTY PROMINENT, UM, IN SEEING THOSE ISSUES COME TO LIGHT. UM, NUMBER TWO, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS ALREADY PAINTED WHITE. UM, AND SO IF YOU CAN SEE, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG HERE. I THINK IT'S 14, UM, THAT SUNROOM IS GONNA BE NOT TAKEN DOWN. THE, THE ROOF WILL STILL BE THERE, BUT IT WILL BASICALLY BE TURNED BACK INTO AN OUTDOOR PATIO SPACE. UM, AND SINCE THAT PAINT, THAT BRICK IS ALREADY PAINTED, UM, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET TO MATCH WITH THE ENTIRE EXTERIOR FACADE ONCE THAT IS GONNA BECOME EXPOSED. UM, AND THEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, ON THAT STREET, ON THE ONLY HOUSE LEFT WITH EXPOSED RED BRICK, UM, AND THE RED BRICK ON THIS HOUSE IS NOT LIKE A STANDARD RED BRICK WITH THAT DEEP RICH RED THAT I THINK EVERYBODY LOVES. IT'S, IT'S MORE OF THIS MIXED ORANGE BRICK. UM, AND I THINK THERE'S PRECEDENT SHOWING ON THAT STREET THAT EVERY OTHER HOUSE THAT WAS BRICK HAS BEEN PAINTED AND APPROVED FOR PAINTING, UM, NAMELY 2 47, 2 49 AND 2 71 PIECE SUMMIT. UM, AND I INCLUDED PHOTOS ON THERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE AS WELL. UM, AND I THINK YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THAT STREET, UM, THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF, OF KIND OF, UM, LOOKING TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THAT PLANTATION. COLONIAL STYLE HOME, UM, IS THE ING THAT'S BEEN SET ON THAT STREET. AND MY HOUSE IS KIND OF IN BETWEEN TWO. SO YOU HAVE ELEMENTS OF THAT PLANTATION STYLE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE GAS LAMP THAT'S IN THE FRONT YARD, UM, AND THE, THE POSTS, THE PILLARS OUT FRONT. UM, AND THEN YET IT KIND OF [02:05:01] HAS THIS RANCH STYLE FEEL WITH THE EXPOSED BRICK. SO I THOUGHT THAT 2 49 WAS KIND OF MY DESIGN ELEMENT THAT I CHOSE, THAT I WOULD KIND OF WANNA MIMIC. UM, AND THEN IT WOULD HELP ME REALLY BLEND IN WITH THE STREET BECAUSE IT WOULD ONE PRESERVE THAT 1880S, 1920S ERA, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, UM, ON THE EXTERIOR. AND THEN THESE THREE HOUSES ARE EACH FIVE HOUSES DOWN FROM MINE AND THEY'RE THREE IN A ROW. AND THAT'S THE EXACT LOOK THAT I'M GOING FOR WITH KIND OF THAT DARKER SHUTTER WITH THE WHITE BRICK PAINT. UM, AND IT WOULD REALLY HELP ME BLEND IN WITH THE REST OF THE STREET COMMISSIONERS. WE DO HAVE A COMMENT FOR THIS CASE. YES, PLEASE. PAUL KINISON ON BEHALF OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, THEY SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINDINGS. THANK YOU. ARE THESE HOUSES THE EXAMPLES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN, UH, PART OF THE DISTRICT DISTRICT BOUNDARY? YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON MY SAME EXACT STREET. THEY'RE LITERALLY FIVE HOUSES DOWN. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UH, LOOKING THROUGH YOUR APPLICATION, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT PRODUCTS YOU'RE PROPOSING. UH, LIME WASH, FLAT MASONRY, FLAT MASONRY, TEXTURED, UH, AND JUST WONDERING WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING HERE. YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD HONESTLY BE WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF. I AM NOT TIED TO ANY ONE OF THEM. UM, I, I JUST USED THE ROMA BIO BECAUSE I'VE USED IT BEFORE AND I KNOW ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS WAS THE DEGRADATION OF THE EXTERIOR FACADE AND COVERING IT WITH A PAINT. AND I KNOW SOMETIMES PEOPLE USE A LATEX BASED PAINT, BUT THESE PAINTS WITH ROMA BIO ACTUALLY MINERAL BASED, SO THEY LET IT COMPLETELY BREATHE. SO I, I HAVE NO, UM, TIE TO ANY OF OF THEM. IT'S JUST MORE SO IF YOU GUYS WEREN'T WANTING TO DO A FULL PAINT, THEN I COULD DO MORE OF THE LIME WASH, WHICH GIVES ME THE SAME KIND OF FEEL, BUT THEN SOME OF THAT BRICK STILL COMES THROUGH AS EXPOSED, BUT IT STILL HELPS ME BLEND IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT WAS JUST KIND OF BE FLEXIBLE. I DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN AND BE RIGID AND SAY, I WANT IT IN THIS MATERIAL AND NOTHING ELSE. IT, IT KIND OF GIVES YOU GUYS FLEXIBILITY, UM, AND, AND KIND OF STEERING IN THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'D LIKE IT TO GO IN. OKAY, THANK YOU. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AGAIN. I AM, I'M TORN. ONE, ONE IS THAT, UH, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS HOUSE AND THE COLOR OF THE BRICK SPEAKS TO THE, TO THE AGE OF THE HOUSE IN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THAT TIME. AND SO IN THAT SENSE, I'M OPPOSED TO ANY SORT OF, UH, COATING. UH, THE ONE PART THAT, UH, I DID APPRECIATE WAS, UM, MR. DEWIN FINDING A PRODUCT THAT IS NOT A PAINT, THAT IT IS A, UH, UH, A MINERAL PRODUCT OR LIME WASH THAT, UH, WOULD ALLOW THE MA MASONRY TO BREATHE UNLIKE A, UH, IT'S PAINT. YEAH. AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE CONCERN AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, UH, IN NATURE TO THE ERA. I THINK THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE THIS HOUSE IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED. UM, AND WHY I WANTED TO ADJUST IT TO FIT WITH THE OTHER HOUSES IS THIS, THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1964. UM, AND SO THE 1964 ISN'T REALLY AN ERA, AN ERA OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, MOST OF THE HOMES IN THE MONTE VISTA NEIGHBORHOOD ARE AGAIN IN THAT 1880S TO 1940S RANGE. AND SO I'M, I'M ACTUALLY KIND OF TRYING TO TAKE IT BACK IN AGE, UM, TO BE MORE SIGNIFICANTLY FIT WITH THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT AREA BY TAKING IT BACK IN AGE VERSUS MAINTAINING THE ERA OF 1964. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE [02:10:01] I THINK THAT MAINTAINING ITS, ITS INTEGRITY AS A, A MID SIXTIES HOUSE IS, UM, PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT TO ME. YES, I, I CONCUR WITH, UH, HOW THE, UH, CHAIRMAN HAS, UH, PHRASED THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THIS HOUSE AND, UH, THE CONCERN THAT IT JUST GET A DIPPED APPEARANCE, UH, JUST KIND OF GOES ALL WHITE AND SORT OF LOSES IMPORTANT ASPECT OF ITS, OF ITS CHARACTER. UH, THE FACT THAT IT'S, UM, THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN PAINTING WHITE DOESN'T NECESSARILY ISN'T COMPELLING TO ME. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, A TREND THAT I PARTICULARLY, UH, LIKE TO SEE TAKE PLACE. BUT I DO ALSO APPRECIATE THE, THE PRODUCTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT FORWARD. UH, THEY DO SHOW A SENSITIVITY TOWARDS, UM, OR A KNOWLEDGE AND, UH, APPRECIATION THAT, UH, STANDARD PAINTS DO LEAD TO THE DEGRADATION OF THE, OF THE BRICK IN THE LONG TERM. I, I GUESS WOULD THE COMMISSION THEN BE OPPOSED TO MORE OF A LIME WASH WHERE YOU DO STILL SEE THE BRICK? BECAUSE DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S APPLIED, UM, I'M THE CONTRACTOR BY TRADE, SO DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S APPLIED, IT WILL DETERMINE IF IT'S ONE, TWO, OR THREE DIFFERENT COATS OF HOW MUCH BRICK DOES SHOW THROUGH, WHICH IS WHY IN THAT DECK I SUPPLIED WITH ROMA BIO, YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENT VARYING LEVELS OF THE UNDERLYING BRICK EXPOSED THROUGH VERSUS THAT FLAT, UM, TEXTURE WHERE IT'S JUST COMPLETELY BLOCKED OUT THERE. THERE IS THE LIME WASH OPTION, UM, WHICH WOULD SHOW A LOT OF THAT BRICK THROUGH. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I MEAN, I'M, I'M REALLY TORN, TORN ON THIS ONE AND, AND I, I WOULD KIND OF REACT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY TO, TO THE PREVALENCE OF THE PAINTED, UH, PAINT PAINTED BRICK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FROM KIND OF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S STANDPOINT. UH, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, WHERE IS, IS THE BRICK REPAIR OR THE BRICK RE EXPOSURE GOING TO CREATE THE IRREGULAR COLOR TEXTURE PATTERNS? TWO PLACES. ONE OF 'EM IS ON THE SHOOK AVENUE SIDE, UM, SO RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF SHOOK AND SUMMIT. UM, IT'S TOUGH TO SEE IN THAT, IN THAT PHOTO, BUT BASICALLY I HAVE TO REPLACE THE ROOF AS WELL, WHICH I, I GOT THE CERTIFICATE APP UNITS FOR THAT ALREADY, BUT RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE FLASHING FROM THE TOP DOWN, IT GOES THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE MASTER BEDROOM, A CRACK HAS FORMED. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I HAVE TO REPAIR THAT ANYWAY. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT'S KIND OF, WHAT DOES THAT REPAIR ENTAIL? UH, BASICALLY FILLING THAT, THAT MORTAR AGAIN, BUT IT'S JUST REALLY TOUGH TO MATCH THE CURRENT MORTAR THAT'S THERE BECAUSE OF THE AGE. UM, IT'S EVERYTHING ON THIS HOUSE IS BASICALLY ORIGINAL. UM, AND SO IN ORDER FOR ME TO MATCH THAT MORTAR FROM 1964, IT BECOMES REALLY DIFFICULT. SO THEN YOU DO SEE THAT LINE IN, IN THE MORTAR ALL THE WAY FROM THE TOP, ALL THE DOWN TO THE FOUNDATION. SO IS, IS THERE NOT GOING TO BE AN EFFORT TO REPOINT THAT AREA? IS IT JUST GONNA BE LIMITED TO THE, I I GET WHAT EXACTLY IS CRACK? IS IT CRACKED THROUGH THE BRICK OR JUST CRACKED THROUGH THE MORTAR? JUST THE MORTAR, YEAH, SO IT'S BASICALLY FOLLOWING ME LIKE A BAG, LIKE MOST OF THE TYPICAL FOUNDATION ISSUES YOU SEE IN SAN ANTONIO. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. HAVE YOU, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. HAVE YOU EXPLORED JUST COVERING IT WITH VEGETATION INSTEAD OF PAINTING THE ENTIRE HOUSE? IF IT'S JUST LOCATED, IF THE DAMAGE IS JUST LOCATED IN TWO AREAS OF THE HOUSE, HAVE YOU EXPLORED OTHER, UM, WAYS OF COVERING IT? I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. UM, THE ONLY ISSUE WITH DOING THAT IS THAT'S THE MAIN, UM, EGRESS FOR THE MASTER BEDROOM. UM, SO FOR HAVING THE INGRESS IN THE, IN THE EGRESS, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY EMERGENCE EXIT OUT. SO IF I COVERED THAT WITH VEGETATION, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD END UP BEING LIKE A CODE VIOLATION, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY BLOCK THE ONLY EXTERIOR VIEW FROM THAT MASTER BEDROOM AS WELL. ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ, UH, THE PLANTING WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE. IT COULD BE, UH, OUT AWAY FROM THE HOUSE THAT, BUT IT WOULD STILL, UH, CONCEAL THE, THE PATCHWORK IF IT, IF IT WASN'T, UH, VISUALLY ACCEPTABLE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH ONE MORE TIME. I, THERE WE HAD A CASE SIMILAR, [02:15:01] UH, SIMILAR STRUCTURE TYPE. THERE WAS A LOT OF CRACKING AND I THINK THERE WERE, THERE WAS CRACKING THROUGH BRICKS AND BRICKS WERE ACTUALLY HAVING TO BE REPLACED. AND IT WAS MORE THE DAMAGE, THE DAMAGE TO THE FACADE WAS MORE EXTENSIVE THAN IS PRESENTED HERE. AND I THINK IN THAT CASE, UH, THE COMMISSION DID SUPPORT, UH, A MATERIAL LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE. BUT I, I THINK WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES ARE PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. AND, AND THE GOAL IS REALLY TO KIND OF CHANGE THAT TEXTURE AND APPEARANCE AND COLOR OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL HERE. THE MATERIAL THAT WE THINK IS, UH, CHARACTERISTIC OF THE HOUSE. AND I DON'T THINK THE DAMAGE, THE DAMAGE REALLY WARRANTS, UH, THAT MANEUVER HERE. SO I, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I SUPPORT STAFF'S POSITION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE OLD ALMOST TERRACE CASE AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT VERY SAME CASE BECAUSE THE, UH, DEGREE OF DAMAGE WAS SO SEVERE AND UH, THE APPLICANT IN SEARCH TIE AND LOW FOR REPLACEMENT UNITS COULDN'T FIND THEM. SO IT WAS GOING TO LOOK VERY, UH, PATCHWORKED AND WE PERMITTED THEM TO USE VERY SIMILAR MATERIAL IN THIS CASE. I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT THERE'S ENOUGH DAMAGE THERE TO WARRANT, UH, CHANGING, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE LIKE THIS SO DRAMATICALLY. SO I MOVE FOR DENIAL, UH, BASED UPON STAFF'S FINDINGS. AND, UH, THE, UH, ONE OF THESE TWO'S UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE BOWMAN? AYE THAT SIR? AYE, MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. DO WE NEED A BREAK BEFORE WE CONTINUE? UH, YES. A NO MORE THAN A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE ARE BACK. UM, [20-7311 Address/Description: 2617 ROOSEVELT AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-533 Historic District Name: Mission RIO District: RIO-5 Applicant: Roger Fuentes Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 3] SO WE HAVE ITEM 27. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 25 33 26 17 ROOSEVELT, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT 26 17 ROOSEVELT. WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING ONE TO INSTALL ONE SET OF INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS TO REACH TRAVELERS WORLD RV RESORT TO FEATURE ALUMINUM CHANNEL LETTERS WITH ACRYLIC FACES. THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE WILL BE MOUNTED TO A RACEWAY AND WILL FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 58 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND TWO ONE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SET OF BULLHORNS FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 30 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASE, EXCUSE ME. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE. BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE OVERALL SIGNAGE BE REDUCED IN SIZE TO FEATURE NO MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET TOTAL, AND THAT MATERIALS AND LIGHTING BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, METAL SIGN FACES, AND INDIRECT LIGHTING. UH, CURRENTLY ON THE PHONE I HAVE MR. RUDY HERNANDEZ, WHO IS THE APPLICANT FROM SIGNS BY TOMORROW. MR. HERNANDEZ? YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, YOU MAY BEGIN. UH, SURE. WHAT TO BEGIN, UM, THE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO SIGNAGE IS WE HAVE SOME PERTAINING THE EXAMPLES OF SIGNAGE IN THE AREA, AND THEY ARE, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. WE ARE JUST HOPING TO GET OUR SIGNAGE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. UM, I DO HAVE SOME FURTHER EXAMPLES, BUT THESE ARE THE, THE MAIN EXAMPLES THAT ARE, THAT EMULATE OUR SIGNAGE THAT WE ARE REQUESTING AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MAYBE HELP OUT IN, UH, IN, UH, PICK UP THE PACE ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. UM, I CAN GO INTO THE DETAILS AND THE FINDINGS, OR I CAN JUST GIVE A GENERAL OVERVIEW. UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SIGNAGE, UH, THAT'S THE FEATURE OF PLASTIC BASE AND INTERNAL ILLUMINATION. UM, GIVEN THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, UM, UM, PLASTIC FACES ON CHANNEL EDITOR SIGNS ARE NOT RECOMMENDED BY THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THE MISSION DESIGN MANUAL. UH, BOTH THE MISSION DESIGN MANUAL AND THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, RECOMMEND THAT SIGNS BE CONSTRUCTED [02:20:01] OF METAL AND, UH, FEATURE INDIRECT LIGHTING. UH, SO THAT IS THE, UH, THE PRIMARY CONFLICT, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, UH, AND, UM, AND THE GUIDELINES. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED EXAMPLES, UM, THAT ARE LOCATED A BIT CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF ROOSEVELT AND, UM, THE INTERSECTION OF ROOSEVELT AND, UH, SOUTHEAST MILITARY. UM, MANY OF THESE EXAMPLES, IF NOT ALL OF THEM, ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. UH, SOME OF THEM HAVE ESTABLISHED MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN IN PLACE THAT ALLOWS FOR, UM, ALLOWS FOR THEM TO HAVE MATERIALS AND SIGN FACES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S RECOMMENDED. MS. CARPENTER, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, STICK WITH THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE, UH, FOR THE LETTERS, BUT NOT HAVE THAT, UH, PLASTIC LENS ON IT TO HAVE INDIRECT LIGHTING? UH, FOR THE, THE LETTERS, UH, THE WAY THEY ARE MANUFACTURED, THEY DO NEED THE TRIM CAP, THE PLASTIC TRIM CAP. UM, WE WORKED TOLD IN THE BEGINNING, UM, THAT WE COULD INSTALL THE SIGN AS IS JUST INDIRECT LIGHTING. UM, AND THEN ONCE WE SUBMIT OUR PACKAGE, THERE WAS ANOTHER, UM, DENIAL BECAUSE OF THE PLASTIC FASCIA. SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT AN ALTERNATIVE TO CHANGE OUT TO A DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, CHANNEL LETTER, UNFORTUNATELY NOT THE WAY THAT IT IS PROPOSED AND THE WAY THAT THE SIGNAGE WAS CREATED, NO. UM, I CANNOT JUST, UH, SWITCH OUT THE FACES. I HAVE TRIED ALTERNATIVE METHODS, UM, AND REQUESTED, YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT A METALLIC FACE ON IT, WOULD THAT BE APPROVED? UM, A METALLIC VINYL FACE. SORRY. UM, AND THAT WAS DENIED AS WELL. HAVE THESE LETTERS ALREADY BEEN MANUFACTURED? YES, SIR. HAS, HAS IT BEEN INSTALLED ALREADY? NO, IT HAS NOT. OKAY. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, IF YOU ZOOM IN CLOSELY TO THE ARTIST RENDERING, THERE ARE THREE INDIRECT LIGHT FIXTURES ON THE EXISTING BUILDING. CAN THOSE BE UTILIZED AND MAYBE ADD TO THEM TO, TO, UH, OR RELOCATE THEM SO THAT THEY'RE OVER YOUR SIGN? UH, SO, UH, APPARENTLY IT DID HAVE INDIRECT LIGHTING ON, ITS ON ITS PREVIOUS SIGNAGE INCARNATION. YES, SIR. UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY RETRO THOSE EXTERIOR LIGHTING TO ILLUMINATE OUR SIGNS. UM, WE WOULD, WE CAN ADD, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO, WE CAN ADD SOME MORE, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE ILLUMINATED, BUT WE JUST NEED TO KNOW IF THAT'S OKAY TO DO. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I I WANNA SPEAK TO SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT, THAT YOU SHOWED IN THE AREA, PARTICULARLY THAT DEVELOPMENT ON ROOSEVELT AND MILITARY THERE AT THE END. UH, THE MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN WAS IN PLACE BE, UH, MAYBE PRIOR TO ITS INCORPORATION, UH, INTO THE DISTRICT. AND, UH, THE SIGNS HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE ARE KIND OF REVIEWED RELATIVE TO THAT MASTER ZONING PLAN. THE PIZZA HUTT, UH, RECEIVED A RENOVATION AND WE REQUIRED THEM TO GREATLY REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SIGNAGE THEY HAD AND REMOVE A POLE SIGN. SO THERE WAS A, A LARGE REDUCTION IN, IN SIGNAGE ON THAT SITE. AND OF COURSE, THE OLDER ONES, UH, PRE-EXIST THESE REGULATIONS. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, THAT THOSE, THOSE SITUATIONS KIND OF PRE-EXISTED. UH, THE REGULATION, THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AND THAT'S WHY IT MIGHT APPEAR THAT THERE'S SOME, SOME DIFFERENCE ON THE BLOCK. UM, IN TERMS OF THE SCALE, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OVER 50? ARE WE, ARE WE 30, 30 FEET OVER 50? IT'S 58 SQUARE INCHES, 58. UM, AND THE, AND THE BULLHORNS ARE MORE THAN THAT. IT'S 46 INCHES LONGER. AND I, THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION WE HAD. IS IT, UH, THE TRAVELERS WORLD [02:25:01] INCLUDING THE BULLHORNS, OR ARE THEY SEPARATE? THE, THE BULLHORN WOULD BE AN ELEMENT OF SIGNAGE IN THIS CASE? YEAH. UM, GENERALLY I THINK THE, AND THOSE ARE ALREADY MANUFACTURED AS WELL, CORRECT? YES, SIR. NOW I CAN SPEAK TO THE CLIENT. I, I DON'T BELIEVE HE WOULD BE TOTALLY UPSET IF WE JUST GOT RID OF THE BULLHORNS AND WE'RE ABLE TO INSTALL THE LETTERS. SO I WOULD SUPPORT IF, IF THE LETTERS ARE NOT GONNA BE INTERNALLY LIT AND ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO LIGHT THEM FROM ABOVE. YOU'RE GONNA ADD LIGHTING FROM ABOVE THE COMMISSION WOULD SUPPORT THE INCLUSION OF INDIRECT LIGHTING. YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE OF THAT. IS THE RACEWAY STILL REQUIRED AS AN ATTACHMENT POINT, OR CAN THOSE BE ATTACHED TO THE WALL? UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO RETROFIT 'EM SO THAT WE CAN MOUNT THEM AGAINST THE WALL. UM, THE RACEWAY ACTUALLY HELPS MOUNT IT SUFFICIENTLY AND FASTER, UM, BUT IT IS DOABLE TO DO WITHOUT THE RACEWAY. SO THE, THE RACEWAY IS A REAL, ONE OF THE PIECES THAT'S LIKELY AN ISSUE HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT USUALLY SUPPORTS THE ELECTRICAL THAT IN TERM INTERNALLY ILLUMINATES THOSE LETTERS. SO YES. UM, WE HAVE DONE SIMILAR SIGNS IN THIS STYLE, UM, IT THAT WE MANUFACTURE WITH THE RACEWAY AND WE DON'T ILLUMINATE AT ALL. UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST DONE ONE. OKAY. CAN IT, CAN THE RACEWAY BE FLAT OR DOES IT HAVE TO PROTRUDE, LIKE IS SHOWN IN YOUR DRAWING? UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH TAKING THE RACEWAY OFF. WE DON'T NEED TO INSTALL THE RACEWAY. OKAY. AND WE CAN DO IT FLUSH TO THE, THE ACTUAL WALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL, I'LL HEAR FROM MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND MAYBE, MAYBE WE'RE APPROACHING A MOTION HERE. I, I THAT'S APPROACHING SOMETHING I CAN, I CAN SUPPORT. I THINK SO. UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UM, THE SIGNAGE AS PRESENTED WITH THE MODIFICATION THAT THE RACEWAY IS ELIMINATED AND THE, UM, THE LETTERS ARE ATTACHED, UH, FLUSH TO THE EXISTING WALL. AND THAT, UH, EXTERIOR, UH, LIGHTING IS USED TO ILLUMINATE THE LETTERS. UM, I MOVE FOR, UM, A DENIAL OF THE HORNS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND, AND A SECOND, UH, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. WELL, ACTUALLY, UH, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. UH, JUST AS AN ADDITION, UM, DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANYTHING BROUGHT BACK TO US FOR THE LOCATIONS OF THE INDIRECT LIGHTS, OR ARE WE GOING TO LET THAT BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED? I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT STAFF CAN, CAN'T HANDLE THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PREVIOUS LOCATION, SO WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION THAT THIS WAS GOING. UM, COMMISSIONERS, I DO APOLOGIZE. WE HAVE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I DID NOT READ. SO LET ME QUICKLY DO THAT. UM, PATTY ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, THEY INCUR WITH STAFF THAT THE REQUESTED SIGNAGE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE SIGNAGE SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES, COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE. AND THE MISSION HAS AURORA DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL. UM, SO WITH THAT, I WILL DO THE ROLL CALL. FERNANDEZ AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. BOWMAN. AYE THAT SIR? AYE, MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. NEXT IS ITEM 28. UH, STEPH, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM HERE. OKAY, GO AHEAD. DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT INTO ? OKAY, HOLD ON. OH, I, UH, ACTUALLY WE HAVE A, A NOTE FOR THIS ONE. SO WE'LL QUICKLY, UH, READ THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS CASE AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. SO, UM, VERY QUICKLY, STEPH. OKAY, ONE SECOND. JUST PULLING IT UP. ITEM NUMBER 28 [20-7322 Address/Description: 211 MARY LOUISE HDRC Case No.: 2020-531 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Burt Barr/BARR MARGIE O Request: Replacement of cedar shake roof with asphalt composition shingles shingles City Council Dist.: 7] H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 5 3 1 ADDRESS, TWO 11, MARY LOUISE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CEDAR SHAKE ROOF FROM THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE WITH ASPHALT COMPOSITION. SHINGLES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, BUT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A DIFFERENT REPLACEMENT PRODUCT THAT MORE CLOSELY MIMICS THE THICKNESS DIMENSION, [02:30:01] TEXTURE, PROFILE, AND STYLE OF THE EXISTING CEDAR SHAKES. AND SINCE POSTING, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATION AND IS ALSO CONSIDERING EXPLORING REPLACEMENT IN KIND, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. CORY, CAN WE TAKE A MOTION NOW OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DO? WE CAN, UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND QUICK QUESTION ON THIS. SO THE APPLICANT'S GONNA COME BACK TO STAFF WITH THEIR, THEIR PROPOSED, UH, COURSE OF ACTION, WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY GOING TO REPLACE SOME KIND VERSUS, UH, SOME, UH, ALTERNATE TRUE. YES. OKAY, GOOD DEAL. UM, AND WE HAVE A SOURCE FOR OUR CEDAR SHAKES I CAN SHARE WITH STAFF. GREAT. . AND THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, IF THEY PROPOSE SOMETHING OTHER THAN CEDAR SHAKES, WILL IT NEED TO COME BACK FOR TO THE FULL COMMISSION? UM, THEY COULD PROPOSE A NON-SICK MATERIAL THAT MIMICS THE APPEARANCE. UM, SO WE WOULD REVIEW THAT JUST TO SEE IF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED STIPULATION. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN. AYE THAT AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, NEXT ITEM 29. I THINK EDWARD'S STILL TRYING TO GET THAT APPLICANT. IF WE NEED TO MOVE ON, WE CAN. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF HIM, SO LET'S MOVE ON. OKAY, WE'LL KEEP TRYING. UM, WE'LL GO TO ITEM 30 AND THAT MEANS STEPHANIE NEEDS TO GET THAT APPLICANT ON THE LINE AS WELL. I BET SHE'S NOT READY YET. I STEPHANIE LUCK. UM, OKAY. STEPHANIE IS READY. YES. OKAY, [20-7324 Address/Description: 2511 N FLORES ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-543 Applicant: Rene Morales/MRG & G BUILDERS, LLC Request: Exterior alterations, window replacement, site modifications City Council Dist.: 1] GO AHEAD. ITEM NUMBER 30 H H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 5 4 3 ADDRESS, 25 11 NORTH FLORA STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS WITH NEW ONE OVER ONE BLACK ALUMINUM WINDOWS. THE 49 EXISTING WINDOWS ARE A COMBINATION OF ORIGINAL WOOD, WINDOWS AND NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM, ALUMINUM AND VINYL WINDOWS. AND TWO, INSTALL A NEW CURB CUT AND GRAVEL PARKING PAD IN THE FRONT YARD. ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT ALL EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS BE REPAIRED OR RESTORED IN PLACE. A WINDOW SCHEDULE IS REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF THAT INDICATES WHERE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WILL BE REPAIRED OR RESTORED, AND WHERE WINDOWS WILL BE REPLACED AND MEETS THE FINAL H D R C ACTION. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT PRODUCTS TO BE, BE USED TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM AND VINYL WINDOWS, WHICH MUST MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS AS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION, THE CURRENT WINDOW PRODUCT REQUESTED DOES NOT MEET STAFF STIPULATIONS. ITEM TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A NEW CURB CUT AND PARKING AREA BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT A NEW DRIVEWAY BE A MAXIMUM WIDTH OF 10 FEET AND A CONCRETE CURB CUT THAT FLARES TO A MAXIMUM WIDTH OF 12 FEET, AND THAT THE PROPOSED PARKING PAD BE RELOCATED TO THE REAR OF THE LOT. NO PARKING PAD SHALL BE INSTALLED IN THE FRONT OR SIDE YARD. AN UPDATED SITE PLAN WITH DIMENSIONS IS NEW, IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TWO, THAT THE DRIVEWAY AND PARKING PAD BE CONSTRUCTED OF A PERVIOUS MATERIAL INCLUDING GRAVEL, DECOMPOSED GRANITE OR SIMILAR. AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ALL APPLICABLE CODES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING NEW DRIVEWAYS AND OBTAINS THE VARIANCE FROM [02:35:01] THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. AND I DO HAVE RENEE, THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE WHO WISHES TO DISCUSS BOTH ITEMS WITH THE COMMISSION. RENEE, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UH, THIS IS RENEE MORALES OVER AT 25 11 NORTH FLORES. UH, AND WE ARE IN, IN, IN AN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF, BUT, UH, WE, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO, UH, TO, UH, TO HAVE A CONSIDERATION OF, UH, OF, UH, OF OUR WINDOWS AND, AND, UM, AND CONCRETE PAD. SO RENEE, IF YOU JUST WANNA GIVE, UM, A SUMMARY OF KIND OF THE, THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH, AND THEN FOLLOW THAT WITH THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. OKAY. DID WE LOSE HIM? RENEE, ARE YOU THERE? I LOST, YES, I LOST YOU. I LOST YOU FOR A SECOND. . OKAY, GO AHEAD. YES. OKAY. UH, UH, I'M SORRY, I, I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS YOU BROKE AT, AT THE TIME. OKAY. UM, SO IF YOU CAN GIVE A SHORT SUMMARY OF THE WINDOWS THAT EXIST ON THE PROPERTY AND WHY YOU'RE REQUESTING TO REPLACE ALL OF THEM, AND THEN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ALUMINUM WINDOW PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING. OH, DEFINITELY. UH, YES, YES. UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO, UH, REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS AND KEEP THEM ALL WOOD, BUT OUR BUDGET AND CIRCUMSTANCES AND, AND THAT'S A BIG PROJECT. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO STICK TO THE, UH, ALUMINUM, UH, THROUGHOUT, UH, WE HAVE 49 WINDOWS AND, UH, WE HAVE 3, 3 3 APPROVED AND 16 WOOD, UH, WHICH WE WERE TRYING TO SEE AS JUST A COSMETIC, UH, PART OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THEM ALL UNIFORM. I KNOW WHAT WOULD BE PERFECT. AND, AND, AND LAST CASE SCENARIO, UH, WE'RE WILLING TO, UH, TO WORK WITH, UH, A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO, UH, RECONSIDER THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET, UH, ALL THE WINDOWS IN THE BUILDING, UH, UH, UNIFORM AND, AND, AND, UH, THE COSMETIC AND, AND, AND TRYING TO, UH, GIVE IT A, A GOOD LIFT, UH, TO THAT OLD BUILDING THAT, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, UH, REHABILITATE. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, STEPHANIE, ARE THE WINDOWS, UH, STANDARDIZED ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD, UM, GATHER TOGETHER THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE IN GOOD SHAPE THAT ARE REPAIRABLE AND PUT THOSE ON THE FRONT FACADE? OR ARE THEY TOO VARYING IN SIZE TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR THAT. UM, WE DON'T HAVE FIRM DOCUMENTATION THAT OUTLINES THE SPECIFIC SIZES OF THE WINDOWS, BUT, UM, THERE ARE 16 ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE LESS, UH, LESS NUMEROUS NUMBER ON THE FRONT FACADE. SO I THINK THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN OPTION. UM, RENE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? POTENTIALLY SHIFTING THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS FROM THAT F SIDE FACADE TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? NO. IF YOU WOULD SEE, I, I WOULDN'T MIND IF THEY WERE BE IN GOOD SHAPE, BUT IF YOU WOULD SEE 'EM THERE, THERE'S TREE GROWING THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THOSE FRAMES, AND IT'S NOT SALVAGEABLE. I MEAN, WE CANNOT SALVAGE ANY OF THE EXISTING. WE CAN SALVAGE THE GLASS, BUT THE WOOD IS, IT'S GONE, IT'S ROTTEN, IT'S EXPOSED, IT'S BEEN EXPOSED FOR A LONG TIME. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. STEPHANIE, HAVE Y'ALL HAD A CHANCE TO DO A SITE INSPECTION OF THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS? YEP, BOTH EDWARD AND WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE A SITE VISIT, UM, THE FIRST NEW PHOTOS, UM, TAKEN IN THE PACKET WHERE FROM STAFF, AND THEY CONCURRED THAT THEY APPEARED TO BE SALVAGEABLE BASED ON WHAT THEY COULD OBSERVE. CORY, DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS CASE? NO. SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHETHER THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS COULD ACTUALLY BE RELOCATED AND FIT WITHIN THE, UH, THE FRONT FACADE, UH, WINDOWS. UM, AND HAVE, HAVE EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT, UH, CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, ACHIEVABLE IF, IF THE WINDOWS DO NOT FIT THOSE SIZES. UM, OTHERWISE I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION [02:40:01] FOR APPROVAL, UM, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, WOOD WINDOWS BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED AND WOULD LOCATE TO THE FRONT FACADE, UH, TO, AND, UH, AND APPROVAL FOR ITEM TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. BUT, UM, I, I THINK MISSING THAT INFORMATION, I I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THAT THAT IS AN ACHIEVABLE, UH, MOTION OR NOT. SO I, I MOVE FOR I, UH, CONTINUANCE OF THIS CASE UNTIL THAT ASPECT OF THE WINDOW SIZES CAN BE CONFIRMED. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS HERE AND I'M GONNA SECOND YOUR MOTION. I WOULD ASK THAT, UH, STAFF, SEE IF WE COULD HAVE A SITE, A VIRTUAL SITE VISIT, D R C OR SOME SORT OF SITE VISIT D R C SO THAT WE COULD SEE HOW TO PULL THIS THING TOGETHER. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. BOWMAN. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CANS. UH, COMMENT FOR STAFF WHEN WE DO HAVE THE, THE VIRTUAL D R C, ONE THING WE MIGHT LOOK AT IS HOW FAR BACK THE, UH, THE PARKING AREA SHOULD BE. IT JUST SAYS TOWARDS THE REAR, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK FENCE? IS IT BEHIND THE HOUSE? IS IT BEHIND THE OFFSET OF THE, THE WING ON THE EAST SIDE? EXACTLY. HOW FAR BACK DO Y'ALL SUGGEST OR RECOMMEND THAT THE PARKING PAD GO? OKAY, WE CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. CAN, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? YES, SIR. SURE. OKAY. ON, ON THE, ON THE PARKING, ON THE PARKING LOT, WE HAD, UH, THREE MATURE TREES ON THE BACKSIDE THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE TO COMPROMISE, AND WE TRY TO STICK THE PARKING, UH, SPACE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, UH, BUDGET WISE AND, AND, AND ALSO CONSIDERING THOSE TREES. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE'LL CONS, WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO AS A REMINDER, ITEM 31 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND IS NOT BEING HEARD TODAY. UM, WE ATTEMPTED TO CALL [20-7323 Address/Description: 306 MADISON ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-530 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: David Buchanan/Better by Design Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 1 ] THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 29. IT'S 3 0 6 MADISON SEVERAL TIMES AND LEFT TO VOICEMAIL. UM, AND WE DO NOT HAVE THEM ON THE LINE. UM, SO WE WILL NEED AN ACTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE OF ITEM 29 UNTIL THE, UH, APPLICANT CAN BE PRESENT TO, UH, STATE THEIR CASE. MR. GIBBS A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FULL CALL PLEASE. UM, FERNANDEZ AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. DREW. UH, BOWMAN? AYE THAT SIR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. WE HAVE MINUTES [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for December 2, 2020.] FOR DECEMBER 2ND, 2020. MOTION TO APPROVE. MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 2ND. 2020. IYE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE SAFE AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU AS WELL, CHAIRMAN. THANK SAFE. THANK YOU. HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE. STAY SAFE. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. SO, MOTION TO ADJOURN. WHO TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. AYE EVERYONE. THANK YOU. CARE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.