* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] WELCOME TO THE ANNUAL, UM, BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, ANNUAL MEETING. IT'S THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND, UH, COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? DWAYNE NELSON. PRESENT. JESSE ZUNIGA. PRESENT. MEGAN RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT. GEORGE BRITTON. ROBERT TAPIA. PRESENT MS. BROWN? HERE. FERNANDEZ. MICAH HARPER. PRESENT LENCIA GUI. PRESENT? EFRON RA. PRESENT. CAMILLE RODRIGUEZ. AGAIN, JOSHUA POWELL. CABERNET PERRAN. ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE OF , THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AMIN, DEPUTY DIRECTOR MANAGER. PHIL LANEY, SENIOR DEVELOPMENT CHAIR OF FORM IS PRESENT. OKAY, SO, UH, LET, LET ME JUST ASK, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES NOW. I DO BELIEVE. YES. THANK YOU. OH, SHORT AND SWEET. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DID EVERYONE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS DWAYNE NELSON. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED AND WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ROBERT TAPIA. SECOND. MIKE FOR SECOND. OKAY. ROBERT TAPIA. YOU SAID SECOND? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT, UM, COULD WE GO TO A ROLL CALL PLEASE? TO ACCEPT THE, UH, YES. ACCEPT IT. MR. NELSON? AYE. ROBERT TAPIA. AYE. MS. DIARY? AYE. MR. HARPER? AYE. MR. RA? MR. AYE. THANK YOU MS. RODRIGUEZ. AYE. THANK YOU. AND MR. ZUNIGA? MR. ZUNIGA? MR. ZUNIGA, YOU MAY NEED TO UNMUTE YOUR, AYE THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES WITH A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NEXT E EVELYN, THIS IS ROBERT TAPIA. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF, UH, AUDIO, UH, IN AND OUT VIBRATION, UH, ATION, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MY SIDE, YOUR SIDE, BUT, UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S WORSE THIS TIME FROM EVERYBODY ON MY END, ON EVERY OTHER PERSON. THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH, UH, THE AUDIO AND BREAKING UP AND EVERYTHING. SO YOU TALKING ABOUT ME, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS LAST ROLL CALL. I MEAN, EVERYTHING WAS, WAS IN AND OUT, SO, UM, WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE DOING. MUTING, UNMUTING, I GUESS NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO FALL IN LINE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S WORSE. YEAH. I'M GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN GENERAL AND I THINK IT WOULD HELP IF EVERYONE IS MUTED. UM, IT USUALLY HELPS TOO IF YOU WEAR A HEADSET SO YOU'RE NOT USING YOUR COMPUTER SPEAKERS. OKAY, WELL I'LL HAVE TO GET A HEADSET 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ONE. I'M SORRY, BUT I WILL GET ONE IF THAT WILL FIX THE PROBLEM. THANK YOU. WELL, WHO KNOWS? SHUT THE DARK. YEP. . YEAH. WELCOME TO THE, WELCOME TO THE 2021. [00:05:01] 2020, UH, TECHNOLOGY. OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA READ THE, I'M GONNA READ THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, IF I CAN FIND IT. CAN YOU PUT IT, OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 'CAUSE I COULDN'T FIND IT IN MY NOTES. OKAY. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONE OR ANY DEVICE THAT MAY DISRUPT THIS VIRTUAL MEETING. UH, NO PERSON SHALL DELAY OR DISRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS OR DISOBEY THE ORDER OF THE CHAIR. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON A CASE, YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TWO MINUTES. HOWEVER, AN OWNER OR OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE UNLIMITED TIME. PLEASE KEEP ALL INFORMATION RELEVANT TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND THE CODE VIOLATION AS ADVISED PRE PLEASE. UH, TO, I'M SORRY. UH, AS ADVISED, PLEASE TO DO THIS AS, UH, VIRTUAL HEARING, THE CITY WILL ALLOW TRANSLATION SERVICES, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FOR ANYONE NEEDING ASSISTANCE. UH, IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE MADE SUCH ARRANGEMENTS AS ADVISED IN THE NOTICE OF THE HEARING, OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU SUBMIT THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS PRIOR TO THE VIRTUAL HEARING. YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A PROPERTY OWNER OR LIEN HOLDER OF A DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE CASE IS, UH, IS TO DEMONSTRATE THE FOLLOWING. NUMBER ONE, PROVIDE THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS. DISCUSS YOUR DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK WITH A COST FOR EACH ITEM OUTLINED IN THE ORDER TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE CODE OFFICER. NUMBER TWO, SUBMIT THE REQUIRED PROOF OF FINANCIAL ABILITY TO PAY FOR THE PROPOSED WORK AND DISCUSS FEASIBILITY OF REPAIR, DEPENDENT UPON, UH, MONIES AT HAND. AND NUMBER THREE, REQUEST THE AMOUNT OF TIME NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE WORK. ALL ABATEMENTS ORDERED BY THE BOARD SHALL BE ENFORCED. ALL WORK PROPOSED MUST BE DONE WITHIN CODE REGULATIONS WITH REQUIRED PERMITS PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF THE WORK. YOU MAY OBTAIN ALL PERMITS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES LOCATED 1901 SOUTH ALAMO STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. IF IN DOUBT AS TO THE PROCESS DURING THIS TIME, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. ANY OWNER OR LIEN HOLDER DISSATISFIED WITH THE ORDER OF THE BOARD MAY FILE AN APPEAL IN CIVIL DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE DATE THAT THE ORDER IS MAILED. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ORDERS, PLEASE CONTACT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE IN OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF, UH, MEMBERS, UH, BY PHONE AT (210) 207-5422. PLEASE NOTE THAT IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON PRESENT TO SOLICIT OR PET SERVICES REGARDING ANY PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THIS BOARD DURING THE COURSE OF THIS HEARING. VIRTUAL HEARING AS PER CITY SECTION CODE 16 DASH 2 36, THANK YOU TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF CVID 1930. IT'S HOLDING MEETING VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE. THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE C OVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTENED TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW.SANANTONIO.GOV/DSD OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT TWO TEN TWO ZERO SIX LIVE. TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES. THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENT, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING. THE OWNER HAS UNLIMITED TIME TO SPEAK ON THE RESPECTIVE AGENDA ITEM. PUBLIC STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE OWNER. STAFF WILL READ INTO THE RECORD ANY EMAILS OR LETTERS RECEIVED. STAFF WILL ALSO PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL. LASTLY, FOR THOSE I SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALLBACK, WE'LL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENT. SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED. THE OWNER WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH AN UNLIMITED TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS BOARD QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. UH, YES MA'AM. A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO READ. , UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT. UH, THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 11 0 2 KEATS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE. THE OWNER, [00:10:01] UM, OF THE PROPERTY HAS VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO ALLOW THE CITY TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 59, SECTION FIVE. UM, THIS WAS SIGNED ON OCTOBER 28TH, UM, 2020. NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME. NEXT LOCATION IS A EMERGENCY DEMOLITION THAT LOCATION, LET'S SEE, STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 28 14. LAWN MEADOW DRIVE IN COUNCIL. DISTRICT FOUR, UH, WAS FULLY DEMOLISHED AS AN EMERGENCY ON NOVEMBER THE SECOND, 2020, DUE TO A SUDDEN ACT, UH, THERE WAS A VEHICLE ACCIDENT. UH, I GUESS A VEHICLE DID, UH, RUN INTO THE BUILDING, UM, WHICH DID OCCUR ON OCTOBER 25TH, 2020, PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75. NO FURTHER ACTIONS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME. NEXT LOCATION IS 71 42 SHADY ELMS. THIS LOCATION WAS DEMOLISHED AS AN EMERGENCY DUE TO A FIRE THAT OCCURRED ON OCTOBER THE 30TH, 2020. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 7 5, NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME. JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, THE FIRE OCCURRED ON OCTOBER THE 25TH AND THE DEMOLITION, UH, TOOK PLACE ON OCTOBER THE 30TH FOR THIS PROPERTY. THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY REPORT, UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE THREE ITEMS. OKAY. WELL, I GUESS THIS IS, IS THAT ENDING YOUR REPORT, JENNY? YES, MA'AM. THAT IS, THAT IS THIS, OKAY, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CASES THAT WE HAVE TO DO, I GUESS BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR MEETING. AND THE FIRST ONE IS A, A DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE LOCATED, UH, ON 6 26 BURNETT STREET ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. MS. BROWN, THIS IS JUDY. WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO CONTACT THE OWNER TO BE JUST A FEW MINUTES PLEASE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. HELLO. CAN ANYBODY HEAR ME? YES, MR. ANDES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY, I'M JOINING THE MEETING. OKAY, WE'LL GET STARTED MOMENTARILY ON THE FIRST PAGE. OKAY. THANKS YOU. GOOD MORNING, FRED. JUST TRYING GOOD MORNING. SORRY I'M LATE. I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE, UH, OKAY. TRY AGAIN. THANK YOU. UM, LITTLE MOUTH. SO WHEN YOU WANNA CHANGE, JUST LEMME KNOW. [00:15:47] ANDREW SALAZAR. MR. SALAZAR, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. WE'LL GET STARTED MOMENTARILY. OKAY, MS. BROWN, WE WILL BE GETTING WITH THE CASE AT 6 2 6 BURNETT STREET. WE DO HAVE THE OWNER'S SON ON THE LINE. ANDREW SALAZAR. GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS ELISA VALEZ RE, PER OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THE STRUCTURE BEING PRESENTED TODAY IS LOCATED AT SIX SIX BURN STREET WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX. THIS CASE IS THE FIRST TIME BEING HEARD BEFORE THIS BOARD. THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION IS N C B 5 4 7 LOT 19 LOT NORTH, 1 76 0.5 FEET OF SEVEN LOCATED IN THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO. ALL ALL NOTICES OF HEARING WERE PROPERLY ISSUED AS REQUIRED. MR. AND SALAZAR IS, UH, PRESENT TODAY. UH, IN REFERENCE TO THIS CASE. HE IS THE OWNER'S, UM, SON AND WILL BE SEEKING IN REFERENCE TO THIS PROPERTY. CONTACT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY WAS PREVIOUSLY MADE BY, UM, SOME OF OUR CODE OFFICERS, DP OFFICERS, MS. UH, MARIA MORA, AND ALSO PATRICIA RAMIREZ, WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF THIS CASE AND NOW MYSELF. UM, ALSO ASSISTED WITH THE, UH, PHOTOS AND THE INSPECTIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. SEVERAL, UM, CONTACTS WHERE SEVERAL MEETINGS WERE TAKING PLACE IN REFERENCE TO THIS PROPERTY AT LOCATION AT 66 BURNETT STREET IN FRONT OF MR. SALAZAR. AND, UM, MR. THOMAS ALAZAR AS WELL. SEVERAL PHONE CALLS WERE ALSO TAKING PLACE AND SPOKEN WITH, UM, BOTH, BOTH OWNERS AND REFERENCE TO THIS PROPERTY. THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS CONFIRMED ON MAY 15TH, 2019. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, ITY HILL, BUT STRUCTURE IS NOT CONTRIBUTING. THE FIRST INSPECTION REGARDING SIX TO SIX BURN STREET WAS CONDUCTED ON APRIL 2ND, 2018. THE ORIGINAL NOTICE WAS MAILED ON APRIL 6TH, 2018, AND THE CERTIFIED RECEIPT WAS RETURNED, CLAIMED IN APRIL 12TH, 2018. ON NOVEMBER 9TH, 2020, THE NOTICE FOR B S C HEARING WAS POSTED AT 6 2 6 BURNETT STREET. THE NOTICE FOR THE B S C HEARING WAS MAILED TO OWNER OR OWNER AND OWNER'S SON AT GIVEN ADDRESS BY CERTIFIED RECEIPT REQUEST. I ALSO WANNA MAKE NOTE AND MENTION THAT THE OWNER WAS GIVEN, UM, TIME OVER NINE MONTHS. AS FOR CITY ORDINANCE, UM, TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE REPAIRS TO THE STRUCTURE, THE OWNER THEN REQUESTED AN EXTENSION FROM MANAGEMENT TO ATTEMPT REPAIRS. NO SCOPE OF WORK, FINANCIAL PROOF OR LETTER CREDIT OR ENGINEER'S REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO OUR OFFICE AS THE NOVEMBER 16TH, 2020. THERE ARE NO PERMITS ON FILE FOR 6 2 6 BURNETT STREET. THE PHOTOS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED FOR PROVIDED FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION WERE TAKEN NOVEMBER 2ND, 2020. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA MAKE NOTE THAT THIS IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THE EXIT THREE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND THERE ARE MAJOR ISSUES WITH IT, INCLUDING ROOF, WALLS AND FOUNDATION . THIS IS THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ROOF, IT'S A METAL ROOF SYSTEM. IT HAS LONG-TERM DETERIORATION. SOME SECTIONS ARE LIFTING AND THEY ARE ROTTED THE BACK PORTION OF THE, UH, SIDING. UM, SOME SECTIONS HAVE HOLES, INCLUDING ON THE RIGHT. AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, SOME OF THE PANELING IS MISSING, [00:20:01] THE STRUCTURE IS UNEVEN. SO THIS WAS A MAKESHIFT STRUCTURE. MOST OF THE, UM, THE PIPES, UM, AND I'LL, I'LL NOTE, I'LL SHOW SOME OF THE ELECTRICAL PIPE. EVERYTHING IN THE STRUCTURE IS PRETTY MUCH MAKESHIFT. THE PIPES ARE EXPOSED, THEY'RE ABOVE GROUND. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE HOLES FROM THE ROOF SYSTEM AT THE END WHERE IT'S ROTTED OR DILAPIDATED. JUST A CLOSER LOOK OF THE BACK SECTION OF THAT STRUCTURE. UM, THERE ARE HOLES AT THE BOTTOM SECTION AS WELL DUE TO, UH, ROTTED, UH, WOOD MEMBERS. UM, I WANNA MAKE NOTE THAT THIS STRUCTURE WAS BEING OCCUPIED. UM, AT SOME POINT AT THE FIRST INSPECTION, THERE WAS A TENANT INSIDE THIS STRUCTURE. A NOTICE TO VACATE WAS ISSUED FOR THAT TENANT BACK IN 2018. JUST A CLOSER LOOK OF THAT SECTION OF BACK OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE SIDING ACTUALLY DOES TOUCH THE, UH, THE GROUND. THIS IS A PORCH SECTION OF ONE OF THE ENTRANCE. UM, THE LEAD INSIDE THE STRUCTURE, UH, THIS PORTION OF THE, UM, PORCH, UM, HAS ROTTED WOOD, POORLY MADE, YES, BUT IT HAS ROTTED WOOD THROUGHOUT. YES. SOME OF THE ENDS, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT'S THE DETERIORATED DILAPIDATED, UH, THE ROOF SECTIONS ARE LIFTING JUST A CLOSER LOOK TO THAT. UM, SECTION OF THE ROOF AGAIN, UH, IT'S LIFTING IS ROTTED. UH, THE WOODEN MEMBERS HAVE WATER DAMAGE ON WHICH PICTURE, AGAIN, IF YOU, AGAIN, IF YOU CAN SEE OF THE PORTION OF THE, UH, PORCH AREA WHERE, UM, IT CONNECTS TO THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE. UM, THERE ARE ISSUES, UM, TO THOSE BEAMS, TO THOSE SECTIONS. AND OF COURSE, UM, THE WINDOWS AREN'T EVEN, THERE ARE HOLES IN THE QC ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PICTURE AT THE BOTTOM SECTION. ALL OF THAT IS ROTTED WOOD. THIS IS A STORAGE SECTION THAT IS ATTACHED TO THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UM, THIS PORTION IS MAYBE ABOUT SIX FEET HIGH AND THERE'S A DOOR THAT LEADS INTO THIS STRUCTURE. UM, WE COULDN'T OPEN PORTION OF THIS DOOR, SO WE HAD TO TAKE A, A PHOTO FROM ONE OF THE OPEN HOLES THAT, UM, ARE VISIBLE AND THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH. BECAUSE OF THE ROTTED WOOD, WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THESE PHOTOS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WOOD SECTION IS ALSO ROTTED AND DETERIORATED. THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SAME SECTION. THERE'S, UH, WATER DAMAGE THROUGHOUT THE WALL. THIS IS GOING INTO THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WHERE IT'S OCCUPIED. THE FLOOR IS UNEVEN. THIS IS A SLAB AND GRAY FOUNDATION THAT SLAB AND GRAY FOUNDATION HAS CRACKS AND IT'S UNEVEN. OKAY, SO IN GOING INTO THE STRUCTURE, THERE IS A RESTROOM. IT'S A MAKESHIFT RESTROOM THAT HAS BEEN LIFTED OFF THE GROUND, MAYBE ABOUT, UM, ALMOST A FOOT. UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S UNEVEN OBJECTION. THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE ENTIRE RESTROOM SECTION. UM, THERE'S WATER DAMAGE ON THE WALLS. THERE'S WATER LEAKS. THIS IS THE, UH, MAKESHIFT CONNECTIONS TO THE WATER SYSTEM WHERE THE TENANT, UM, AND WE BELIEVE THERE WAS A TENANT PRESENT THAT IS CURRENTLY LIVING AT THIS LOCATION. EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A NOTICE TO VACATE, UM, THERE WAS SIGNS THAT SOMEONE WAS OCCUPYING THIS STRUCTURE. OKAY, ANOTHER RESTROOM GOING INTO THE STRUCTURE, IF YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT AT THE CENTER OF THE PICTURE, THOSE ARE HOLES. UM, THOSE ARE HOLES ON THE WALLS AND THE ACTUAL ROOF SECTION. SO THERE'S WATER DAMAGE THROUGHOUT. UH, AND OF COURSE IT'S A MAKESHIFT, UM, SHOWER. ALL OF THAT SECTION HAS WATER DAMAGE. OKAY, SO THIS IS PATCH UP WORK ON THE ROOF SECTION ON THE WALL. [00:25:07] OKAY. SO WE HAD, UH, PREVIOUSLY SECURED THIS STRUCTURE WITH PLYWOOD. UM, AND WE SECURED IT BECAUSE WE HAD A WARRANT. SO THERE WAS A, UH, PANEL THAT WAS COVERING ONE OF THE ENTRANCE. SO WHAT THEY DID IS PUT A HOLE ON THE WALL, THAT SECTION AT THE BOTTOM, THEY DID LIKE A MAKESHIFT, UM, SMALL DOOR TO COME IN AND OUT, UM, TO THIS SIDE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT OPENING IS, IS TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UM, BECAUSE SOMEONE IS STAYING ON THAT PROPERTY. OKAY. UM, THIS IS A FURTHER BACK VIEW OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. SOME OF THE REPAIRS ON THE WALL, UM, AND THE CEILING. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FLOOR IS ACTUALLY UNEVEN. YES. OKAY. SO THIS IS WHY WE KNOW THAT THIS STRUCTURE HAS BEEN OCCUPIED. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT PHOTO, THERE'S, UM, FOOD ITEMS THAT ARE CURRENT, OTHER, THEY HAVE NOT EXPIRED. THERE IS FRUIT ON TOP OF A BIN THAT IS FRESH. IT HAS NOT ROTTED AND IN GOOD CONDITION, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FRESH AND IT HAS HAD BEEN PLACED ON THE PROPERTY FRESH. UM, SO THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN, UM, TO US. THERE'S NO PROPER EGRESS TO THE STRUCTURE. THERE'S THE FIRE. THIS PERSON WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT IN TIME. UM, WHOEVER IS STAYING THERE. UM, THERE ARE MAJOR ELECTRICAL ISSUES. THERE'S ALL MAKESHIFT, UM, ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AND, UH, THAT IS A CONCERN TO US. YOU CAN SEE UP AT THE TOP IN THE, IN THE CEILING, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE, I'M GONNA SEE MY VOICE, BUT YOU CAN SEE UP AT THE TOP OF THE CEILING THERE'S WATER DAMAGE ON THE RIGHT AND ON THE CENTER OF THAT PHOTO, THAT IS THEIR ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. THAT IS THEIR LIGHT FOR THE STRUCTURE. MISSION STRUCTURE STRUCTURE'S AN OLD STRUCTURE. IF THERE IS A FIRE OR ANYTHING SIMILAR, UM, THERE'S NO PROPER WAY OF EGRESS, SO THERE WILL BE A PROBLEM. UM, AND OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. BUT ALL OF THIS SECTION IS MAKESHIFT. THEY HAVE A, UM, AN AC UNIT, UM, THAT IS NOT PROPERLY CONNECTED. AND OF COURSE OTHER ISSUES WITH THE ELECTRICAL AT THE END OF THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THAT IS, UM, SINCE THIS IS THEIR KITCHEN, THAT IS THEIR SINKS. BUT THE BOTTOM SECTION, YOU SEE LIGHT THROUGH IT, THAT SECTION IS ALL ROTTED. THERE'S WATER DAMAGE THROUGHOUT, UM, THAT SECTION. OKAY, THIS IS LOOKING TO PORTION OF THAT STRUCTURE. THE LEFT SIDE IS THE SMALL SIX FOOT SECTION THAT I PREVIOUSLY SHOWED. UH, THE CENTER IS WHERE THE MID-SHIFT, UM, SHOWER IS SAT, WHERE THE HOLE IS LOCATED TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE STRUCTURE. AND THE RIGHT SIDE FOR THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE YOU SEE THE WHITE PANEL THAT USED TO BE THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE, WHICH WE COVERED PREVIOUSLY DUE TO A WARRANT. THERE WERE NO REPAIRS MADE TO THIS STRUCTURE. AND THE NOTICE WAS PROVIDED IN 2018, UM, GIVEN AMPLE TYING FOR THE OWNER TO MAKE REPAIRS AND PULL PERMITS TO THE STRUCTURE. THIS SECTION AGAIN, IS JUST LEADING UP TO THAT, UM, STRUCTURE AND BACK OF THE PROPERTY. THE SINGLE STORY ACCESS RESTRUCTURE LOCATED IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. THE STRUCTURE HAS ISSUES 2 0 3 MAIN COMPONENTS OF A HOME, ROOF, WALLS AND FOUNDATION. THE SLAB AND GRAY FOUNDATION IS SOME LEVEL CAUSING STRUCTURE TO SHIFT. EXTERIOR WALLS CONSISTS OF WOOD AND METAL SHEETS. WOOD SIDING IS LACKING WEATHERPROOFING IN CERTAIN AREAS LEADING TO THE DURATION OF WOOD MEMBERS. CROSS CABLE ROOFS CONSISTS OF CORRUGATING METAL SHEETS. THE ROOF SYSTEM IS OVERHANG THE ROOF SYSTEM AND OVERHANG AREA. THE TAGGING DETERIORATION AND SPLIT CEILING JOISTS AND PROPER INTERIOR PATCHWORK AND REPAIRS ARE BEING CONDUCTED WITHOUT PERMITS. ELECTRICAL HATCHERS WERE FOUND THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE. THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED. THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT SIX TO SIX BURNETT STREET IS IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 56, SUBSECTIONS 2, 5 7 8, 11, 12, AND 15 IN WHICH ANY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE WHICH HAS ANY OR, OR ALL THE CONDITIONS OR DEFECTS HEREAFTER, THIS CRASH SHOULD BE DEEMED TO BE A DANGEROUS BUILDING AND A HAZARD TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE PROVIDED AS SUCH, CONDITIONS OF DEFECTS OF DILAPIDATION TO STANDARDIZED OR FITNESS FOR HUMAN HABITATION. FALSE. A THREAT OR POTENTIAL THREAT TO LIVE HEALTH, PROPERTY OR HUMAN SAFETY STAFF [00:30:01] RECOMMENDS DEMOLITION OF THE ACCESSORIES STRUCTURE LOCATED AT SIX SIX BURNETT STREET. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. DO THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? MS. BROWN THISAND. I HAVE SOME CODE OFFICER. HOW MANY TIMES FROM THE TIME THE NOTICE OF, UM, VACATE TO THE PRESENT, WAS THIS PROPERTY INSPECTED HOW MANY TIMES? YES. THE PROPERTY WAS INSPECTED OVER 10 TIMES OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, NOBODY HAS SEEN ANYBODY IN THERE. BUT YET EVIDENCE SHOWS SOMEBODY'S LIVING THERE. WHY WASN'T ANOTHER NOTICE OF VACATE PUT IN PLACE? YES, SIR. AS I MENTIONED, THERE WAS A NOTICE TO VACATE OF THIS PROPERTY YEAH. IN 18, 2018. BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE TIMES THAT WERE VISITED PRIOR TO THAT WHEN THEY NOTICED PEOPLE WERE LIVING IN THERE? HOW COME ANOTHER NOTICE WASN'T PUT A NOTICE TO VACATE WAS ISSUED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CASE. THAT ONLY TAKES ONE NOTICE TO VACATE. WE DON'T NEED TO REPEATEDLY GIVE NOTICES TO VACATE. WE, UH, BUT SOMEBODY HAS BEEN LIVING ON THE PROPERTY. IF THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT NOTICE WHY WASN'T FURTHER ACTION TAKEN AT THAT TIME? WE CANNOT, I'M SORRY. RIGHT. SO WE CAN GIVE THE NOTICE TO VACATE THAT ONE TIME, BUT WE CANNOT ENFORCE THE NOTICE TO VACATE WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE B S C ORDER. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. OKAY. I I'M NOT FOLLOWING. IF YOU CAN'T ENFORCE A NOTICE OF VACATE BETWEEN THE TIME YOU ISSUE IT AND THE TIME THEY HAVEN'T COME IN COMPLIANCE AND, AND I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO TABLE THIS AND ASK STAFF LATER ON THAT WHY ARE WE ISSUING A NOTICE OF VACATE IF YOU CAN'T ENFORCE IT UNTIL WE ENFORCE IT? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. BUT THAT'S A STAFF QUESTION. I'LL ASK THAT LATER. UM, SO IN ALL THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS VISITED WAS 10 OTHER TIMES PRIOR TO IT COMING HERE, CORRECT? RIGHT. THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN INSPECTED BEFORE SEVERAL TIMES. SO WE THINK THIS IS A NEW TENANT. THE PREVIOUS TENANT THAT WAS THERE, THAT WAS ISSUED A NOTICE TO VACATE DID VACATE THE STRUCTURE. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS CURRENT TENANT, TENANT IS RECENT. BUT CURRENT SENT IT OR NOT. IF YOU KNEW SOMEBODY WAS THERE, DID YOU OR WHOEVER SPEAK TO THE HOMEOWNER ABOUT THERE IS A NOTICE OF VACATE, SO NOBODY SHOULD BE IN THAT. WAS THAT EVER MENTIONED FROM THE TIME IT WAS ISSUED TO PRESENT WAS THE TIME OF, OKAY, I'M NEW TO THE CASE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE TIME THAT I SERVED THIS WARRANT, NOVEMBER 2ND, WE DID MAKE THAT NOTE TO THE O TO THE CURRENT OWNER OR TO MR. ANDREW, UH, SALAZAR. WE, I SPOKE WITH HIM IN PERSON DAY OF THE WARRANT AND I EXPLAINED TO HIM, THERE'S A NOTICE TO MAKE A, NO ONE SHOULD BE HERE. HE SAID NO ONE IS LIVING AT THIS PROPERTY, BUT THE SIGNS, UH, THE EVIDENCE SAY DIFFERENT. AND, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO. SO IT WAS GIVEN TO HIM VERBALLY AS WELL ON THE SECOND TENANT. OKAY. YES. AND THEY HAVE NOT PULLED ANY PERMITS OR ANY TYPE OF, UH, ISSUES TO CORRECT THE ISSUES THAT YOU BEEN CITED FOR, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. AND THEY HAD ONE EXTENSION AND THEY APPLIED FOR ANOTHER ONE? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS MEGAN RODRIGUEZ. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A NEW TENANT, UH, FROM THE TIME THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY ISSUED THE NOTICE TO VACATE, HAVE YOU ISSUED A NEW NOTICE TO VACATE TO ADDRESS THE, THE NEW CURRENT TENANTS? JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. I THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS IN OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE NOTICE REQUIRED TO VACATE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE IS ON ANYTHING ELSE? ? I JUST WANTED TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OFFICER? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. IS THE, UH, JUDY, IS THE OWNER ON THE PHONE OR NOT? YES, THE OWNER SON IS ON THE LINE. MR. SALAZAR, IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. ANDREW SALAZAR 6 6 26 BURNETT. THANK YOU. AND YOU CAN, UH, BEGIN WITH YOUR, PRESENT YOUR TESTIMONY, PLEASE. YES. HELLO? [00:35:01] UM, I JUST WANTED TO REQUEST MORE TIME DURING THE TIME OF, UH, 2019. MY, MY FATHER WAS VERY ILL AND WE HAD NO CHANCE, UH, ABLE TO FIX IT. WE ARE LOW INCOME. UH, JUST WANT TO ASK MORE TIME IF IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, UH, TEAR IT DOWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I WANNA KEEP THE, KEEP MY, UH, GARAGE THERE. BUT THERE'S ALSO, UM, ON THE DATES I HAVE THAT THEY SAID THEY CAME BY TO REPORT. THEY NEVER CAME BY. THEY HAVE FALSE, ALL ALLEGATIONS THAT THEY CAME BY, BUT I CAN'T FIND A REPORT. CAN'T FIND A PAPER. THE DAY THEY CAME BY, IT SAID THEY REPORTED ON THE 20TH OF SEPTEMBER THAT SOMEBODY CAME BY, BUT NOBODY CAME BY. OH, I'M SORRY. OCTOBER 20TH THAT SOMEBODY CAME BY. OFFICER CAME BY, BUT NOBODY CAME BY. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, UM, FOR THE SON OF THE OWNER? MS. BROWN? I HAVE QUESTIONS. THIS IS F OKAY, MS. SANDERS? SURE. UH, SIR, WHEN THE OFFICER NOTIFIED OFFICER IN VERBALLY AFTER THE WRITTEN VACATE ORDER, WHEN THE OFFICER NOTIFIED YOU VERBALLY, WHY IS THERE STILL A TENANT IN THERE? ON WHICH DATE? I, I DON'T HAVE IT PAPER, BUT I'M JUST GOING BY WHAT WAS SPOKE EARLIER. THE OFFICER VERBALLY ALLEGATIONS INFORMED YOU ABOUT HAVING A PERSON IN THERE. YES, THOSE ARE ALLEGATIONS. SIR, THAT'S NOT AN ALLEGATION. I'M NOT HERE TO DEAL WITH ALLEGATIONS. I'M ASKING A QUESTION. YOU WERE NOTIFIED THAT YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE A TENANT? YES, SIR. I'VE BEEN STATING THAT FROM, FROM THE PRIOR CASE, 2018. THEY'VE BEEN DOING ALLEGATIONS FROM, FROM THEN. SO REFORMING THE DATE THAT THEY TOLD ME VERBALLY, AND I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING, SIR. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT HAND. BUT THE, THE, THE OFFICER, SIR, THE OFFICER JUST TESTIFIED THAT SHE TESTIFIED AFTER THE WRITTEN NOTICE OF VACATE, THERE WAS A VERBAL NOTICE OF VACATE. ARE YOU SAYING YOU NEVER RECEIVED THAT? MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS DWAYNE NELSON. POINT OF ORDER. THE QUESTION ACTUALLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY DE ANY BEARING ON THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. AS A RESULT, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE HOLD THAT QUESTION TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE TIME. UH, AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STRUCTURE ITSELF OR CAUSE OF STRUCTURE, UH, THEN THAT COULD BE PROCEED. BUT THE PRESENT QUESTION HAS NO BEARING ON OUR DECISION CAPABILITY. WELL, HE, HE'S ASKING FOR MORE TIME. SO IT DOES HAVE A, A DECISION ON IT. HE'S ASKING US TO GIVE HIM MORE TIME, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT MORE TIME. BUT A TENANT DOING A NOTICE OF VACATE A TENANT HAS NO BEARING ON THE, ON THE STRUCTURE. LET, LET ME JUST READ THE NOTES HERE. NOTES FROM THE, FROM THE CODE OFFICER, UH, FROM DANNY. UH, HE'S A SUPERVISOR. HE GAVE THE TENANT OR THE OWNER, UH, A HARDSHIP. UH, IT SAYS A HARDSHIP APPLICATION, UH, WAS OFFERED TO THE TENANT AND HE WAS GIVEN NINE MONTHS TO REPAIR THE STRUCTURE AND NOTHING WAS DONE AFTER THAT. NOTHING. SO HE HAS HAD AMPLE TIME TO FIX THIS STRUCTURE AND HE DID NOT. THESE ARE THE OFFICER'S NOTES. NO. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. BUT I'M SAYING DURING THE TIME MY FATHER'S VERY ILL AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. HIS ITSELF IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING. AND I WANT HELP MY FATHER OUT THE BEST I CAN. AND THAT WAS THE LEAST IMPORTANT IN OUR MIND AT THE MOMENT. BUT IT IS IN OUR MIND RIGHT NOW TO TAKE CARE OF IT, COMPLY WITH THE NEEDS OF THE CITY. AND THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I ASK MADAM CHAIR. I DO, SIR. I UNDER I UNDERSTAND YOUR SITUATION AND I HAVE EMPATHY FOR YOU. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO, UH, DO WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES US TO DO, OR YOU APPEAR IN FRONT OF US FOR A TEAR DOWN. I MEAN, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE MADE, YOU HAVE MADE NO, NO, UH, NO ATTEMPT TO, TO FIX THIS BUILDING. NOTHING. MADAM CHAIR, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. CHAIR. I'M HERE. OKAY, I'D LIKE TO, UH, ASK SOMETHING OF A GENTLEMAN, A PROPERTY OWNER, SIR? YES. OKAY. UH, YOU'VE HAD ALL THAT TIME, ET CETERA. LET, LET'S GO TO THE PRISON NOW. DO YOU HAVE [00:40:02] THE MEANS TO FINISH, UH, YOUR REPAIRS, ET CETERA, WITH AN 60 DAYS OF TODAY WITH PERMITS, ET CETERA? NO. I WON'T BE ABLE TO. BUT THEY, THEY ALSO GAVE ME THE OPTION. IF I WON'T HAVE NOBODY LIVING THERE, I CAN JUST LEAVE IT THERE AS A STORAGE ROOM. THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. NOW, THE ELECTRICITY, YOUR WIRING SUPPOSEDLY IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE. SO THE ELECTRICITY WOULD HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, BE SHUT OFF AND PROVE, BE GIVEN TO A DEVELOPMENT SERVICE CODE COMPLIANCE IMMEDIATELY AND FOR YOU WITHIN 14 DAYS TO GET YOUR PERMITS. OKAY? IF, IF WE WOULD GO FORWARD REPAIRS ON IT HERE, AND WE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TEAR DOWN YOUR HOME OR TEAR ANYBODY'S HOMES HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS I WAS TOLD LAST MONTH. BUT SO THE THING IS THIS, AND I I, AND I AGREE WITH IT, AND THE THING IS THIS, THAT IF WE GIVE YOU 60 DAYS AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROMISING US, AND YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE HARDSHIPS RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT A CONVENIENT TIME, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT I'M ASKING. IF, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA VACATE IT AND YOU GOTTA GO TODAY, OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DON'T WASTE YOUR DAY FOR TODAY. I MEAN, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT TODAY. IF, IF, IF WE WOULD PASS IT FOR REPAIRS, OKAY? SO WHAT I'M SAYING HERE NOW IS IF YOU, IF, IF, IF YOU PROMISE US, BECAUSE WE CAN'T WAIT ANOTHER TWO YEARS, OKAY? YOU AND I KNOW IT, BUT I MEAN FOR YOU TO GO AHEAD AND IF WE CAN GET A MOTION FOR REPAIRS FOR YOU TO DO 'EM WITHIN 16 DAYS, 14 DAYS TO GET PERMITS TODAY, YOU GO TURN OUT THE LIGHT TO, UH, THE ELECTRICITY TO BE PULLED WITH THE CITY. AND THAT'S IT. AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE CAN'T PLAY AROUND HERE FOREVER BECAUSE YOUR NE YOUR NEIGHBORS FROM NEXT DOOR, YOU KNOW, ARE PROBABLY ALREADY TIRED OF SEEING THAT HOUSE THERE. LET ME, LET ME TAKE YOUR, EXCUSE ME, THIS IS THE CHAIR TALKING. LET ME JUST REMIND YOU ALL AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, JESSE, THAT THE ONLY THING IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS A DEMOLITION FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. YES. AND ALL THIS EXTRA TIME. AND IS HE GONNA DO THIS? AND HE'S GONNA DO THAT. READ YOUR NOTES. THIS IS CASE HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2018 AND HE HAS DONE NOTHING. OKAY? DON'T NEED A DEPOSITION, I'M TELLING YOU NEED A DEPOSITION. I, I'M TELLING YOU ON MY SIDE AND I'M GOING WITH CODE MR. CHAIR, MS. CHAIR, I'M SORRY, I, I I NEED TO, I NEED TO INTERRUPT. THIS IS LEGAL. THIS IS LEGAL. I NEED TO INTERRUPT. YES, MS. CHAIR AND EVERYONE ELSE, I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS BEING RECORDED. I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ALLOWING EACH OTHER TO SPEAK, BECAUSE ONCE EVERYBODY STARTS SPEAKING, WE CANNOT HAVE THIS RECORDED AND IT WILL NOT COME UP, UH, AND BE TRANSCRIBED PROPERLY. SO LET'S PLEASE GIVE EACH OTHER THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, FINISH THAT SENTENCE AND THEN, UM, ALLOW SOMEBODY TO RESPOND IF THEY'D LIKE TO DO THAT. IF YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING, I'M ASKING YOU PLEASE, THERE'S A LOT OF FEEDBACK, PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF WHETHER YOU ARE THE CHAIR OR YOU'RE ME. IF, IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF. LASTLY, I DO WANT TO SAY, UM, THAT IF THE, UM, IF, IF, IF, IF CODE AND AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS REQUESTING OR ASKING, UH, FOR A NOTICE TO VACATE TO BE ENFORCED, THEN YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS THE NOTICE TO THAT VACATE ORDER. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE, UM, ARE CLEAR. YOU GUYS CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU BELIEVE THE, UH, AN IF CODE IS ASKING FOR THAT, UM, NOTICE TO VACATE, UH, TO BE ENFORCED. THANK. HEY, JESSE, WERE YOU FINISHED? HELLO, MR. ZUNIGA, ARE YOU THERE? BOARD MEMBER? I'M HERE. OKAY. UH, HELLO. WELL, WE CAN [00:45:01] COURT, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. AS WE ALL KNOW, AS BOARD MEMBERS AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH TRAINING ET CETERA, WE COURT COMPLIANCE CAN SAY DEMOLISH IT, THAT WE FEEL THAT THIS, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING CAN BE SAVED AND WE HAVE THE PROMISE, YOU KNOW, OF THE OWNER, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THEM, GIVE ANYBODY SOME TIME TO FINISH IT AND, UH, GO FORWARD WITH IT. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT HERE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS NOT HERE, NOR CODE COMPLIANCE TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY, DESTROY, YOU KNOW, SO MANY HOUSES PER YEAR. AND THAT'S NOT, AND THAT'S NOT OUR COST. SO I'M, I'M ASKING ONLY THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE GENTLEMAN ON THIS. AND SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, OWNER SON EBNA? THANK YOU SIR FOR COMING IN. DO WE HAVE A, DO WE HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UH, THIS IS ROBERT TAPIA. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? THIS IS JUDY. NO, WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU. NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION, I'M SORRY, BOARD MEMBERS? THIS IS ALI VALEZ, ANDRE'S PREMISE. UM, JUST WANTED TO MAKE A NOTE ON RECORD THAT ONE OF THE NOTICES, THERE WAS ACTUALLY TWO NOTICES TO VACATE ISSUED TO THE OWNER, ONE IN 2018, AND THE SECOND ONE WAS DATED APRIL 23RD, 2019. THE, UM, HARDSHIP APPLICATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE OWNER WAS GIVEN WAS, UM, SIGNED IN AUGUST 2ND, 2018. SO THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS GIVEN IN APRIL OF 2018. FOUR MONTHS LATER, HE WAS GIVEN A HARDSHIP FOR A NINE, NINE MONTHS EXTENSION. UM, SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH HIM SINCE THAT TIME TO MAKE REPAIRS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MS. BROWN? MS. DIARY HERE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'M SORRY. IS MS. ERY HERE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. OH, OKAY. SO LENCIA? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. SO I MOVE THAT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 6 2 6 BURNETT STREET IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE THAT'S DEFINED BY ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER 6, 1 56, SUBSECTIONS 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 12, AND 15 FOR THE ISSUES AS STATED BY THE CODE OFFICER AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES BEYOND FEASIBLE FOR REPAIR AND ORDER, A 30 DAY DELI DEMOLITION WITH ADDITION TO SHUTTING OFF ALL UTILITIES AND SECURING THE BUILDING. MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS DWAYNE NELSON WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO VACATE THE STRUCTURE, ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. I BELIEVE I HEARD, UH, THE MOTION WAS A 30 DAY DEMO AND THERE WAS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO VACATE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A, WHO'S SAYING SOMETHING? MADAM CHAIR IN THE 30 DAY DEMO, IF SHE ALSO ASKED FOR SECURE OF THE PROPERTY AND CUTTING OFF OF UTILITIES, THAT'S WHAT SHE ALSO ASKED FOR. OKAY. WE HAVE ANOTHER FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, UH, NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S NOT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. THAT'S WHAT HER ORIGINAL WAS AS WELL. I'M SORRY, FRED. WHAT? THAT'S WHAT SHE STATED EARLIER WITH HER ORIGINAL. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, AMENDMENT IS TO, I'M SORRY, THE AMENDMENT, THE MOTION IS TO VACATE THE PROPERTY, DISCONNECT ALL UTILITIES AND DEMOLISH IN 30 DAYS. IS THAT CORRECT? FOR THE STRUCTURE? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. ALL RIGHT. UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT. OKAY, MR. ANDERS SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. OKAY. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? JUDY? CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? YES. MR. NELSON? NO, NO. I'M MAKING A COMMENT OF HOW I'M GOING WORK. OKAY. THE THING IS, I CANNOT GO TO DESTROY A HOME [00:50:01] THAT, THAT IS BEING REPAIRED TO THE EXTENT THAT IT HAS, EVEN IF IT TOOK BEERS POINT OF ORDER. ARE WE DOING A ROLL CALL? ARE WE DOING DISCUSSION? EXCUSE, EXCUSE. NO, NO, NO. THERE AIN'T NO POINT OF ORDER HERE. IF YOU WOULD, ROBERT, OF ORDER YOU WOULD SAY IT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT I PRACTICED THIS LAST NIGHT, BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT WE ALL HAVE A ROBERT RULES THAT WE WERE, WERE GIVEN BY THE CITY. AND I, I HAVE MINE HERE. RIGHT? BUT I MEAN, THE THING IS, IS THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHY I'M BORN AGAINST. I, I FEEL THAT HOMES SHOULD NOT BE DESTROYED AND THE CONDITIONS THAT THIS IS AND, UH, THAT OTHERS HAVE ENDED WORSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, MR. ZUNIGA, WE WERE GETTING READY TO DO A ROLL CALL. THE DISCUSSION WAS OVER, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR . NO, NO, NO. AND, AND THE DISCUSSION WAS NOT OVER, YOU SEE WAS OVER CALL. AND THAT FOR YOU COME IN AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, HOW WAS IT OVER TO PUT AHEAD? GO AHEAD AND THANK YOU. HEY JUDY, COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? YES, MR. NELSON. I DID A RESET. UH, YOUR HONOR, HOW WAS THE MOTION GONNA BE? OH, I'M SORRY MR. SALAZAR, WE ARE DOING A ROLL CALL ON THE MOTION. IF YOU CAN GIVE US JUST A MINUTE AND WE CAN DISCUSS, UM, THE OUTCOME WITH YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, OFFICER, THE OUTCOME, THE BOARD HAS MADE A MOTION TO DEMOLISH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHIN 30 DAYS. NO. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S IF SOMEBODY'S LIVING THERE, BUT IF NOBODY'S LIVING THERE, THERE'S NO POINT OF DEMOLISHING. EXCUSE ME, THIS IS STORAGE ROOM. THIS IS LEGAL. LET'S STOP FOR A MINUTE. CUT FOR A MINUTE. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NOBODY THERE, MR. MR. SALAZAR. MR. SALAZAR, YOU ARE INTERRUPTING A PART OF THE MEETING MEETING. CAN YOU PLEASE ALLOW THEM TO FINISH THEIR PROCEEDING AND YOU WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY. YOU INTERRUPTED THE WHOLE MEETING YOURSELF. SPEAK TO CODE OFFICER. NO, SORRY, SIR. YOU INTERRUPTED THE WHOLE MEETING YOURSELF. YOU DIDN'T LET NOBODY SPEAK THEIR GENESIS, SIR. I'M SORRY, SIR. THE, THE ATTORNEY THAT'S OUR ATTORNEY, UH, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY AND HE'S HERE TO GUIDE US IF ANYTHING ILLEGAL THAT WE WERE SAYING US. AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, OUR QUOTE THROUGH THIS IS THROUGH THE ROBERT GRU AWARD. SO I MEAN THE ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE TO THE ATTORNEY BECAUSE HE, HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO EVEN BE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN TELLING YOU WE'RE GIVING YOU, YOU KNOW, SOME FRIENDLY ADVICE. THANK YOU. LET'S GO AGAIN. COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. NELSON? AYE. MR. ZUNIGA? HELLO MS. RODRIGUEZ? AYE. MR. KAIA? AYE. MS. BROWN? AYE. MR. ANDES? AYE. MR. HARPER? AYE. MS. GUILLORY? AYE. MR. RA AYE THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES WITH A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ONE. THANK YOU MR. SALAZAR, YOU MIGHT WANNA GET WITH YOUR CODE OFFICER AND HE'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, UH, IN THE FUTURE. OKAY? THANK YOU FOR COMING IN SIR. YES, I'D EVEN TALK TO, WOW, I CAN'T GET A FAIR TRIAL, SIR, YOUR CASE IS OVER NOW. I'M SORRY. I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER, UH, OKAY, OUR NEXT CASE IS ITEM NUMBER 7 9 38 EAST, SOUTH CROSS US. MR. HILLER, ARE YOU ON THE LINE SIR? YES MA'AM. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE'LL GET STARTED MOMENTARILY AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND CASH, DEB IS WITH YOU AS WELL? YES, MY CLIENT CASH AND SALLY, DEB ARE ALSO ON THE PHONE. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS. GOOD MORNING FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME, ARE WE READY [00:55:03] FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS KAI , S PREMISE OFFICERS FOR THE CITY OF CA, SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. I'M PRESENTING THIS CASE FOR OFFICER DOMINGUEZ BECAUSE HE COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. THE STRUCTURE BEING PRESENTED TODAY IS LOCATED AT 9 38 EAST SOUTH CROSS, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 4 WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX. THIS CASE IS THE FIRST TIME BEING HEARD BEFORE THIS BOARD. THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION IS N C B 7 6 6 5 NORTHEAST 180 7 E OF 15, LOCATED IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE. THE OWNER ON RECORD IS STAR CONNECTION L L C WITH A MAILING ADDRESS OF 1 2 0 7 FULTON AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 1. ALL NOTICES OF THE HEARING WERE PROPERLY ISSUED AS REQUIRED. THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS ARE PRESENT AND THAT WOULD BE THE OWNER AND THE OWNER'S LAWYER IS PRESENT. DOES THE BOARD WISH TO PROCEED? YEAH, THANK YOU. CONTACT WAS JUST RECENTLY ESTABLISHED WITH THE OWNER, SALLY DEB ON NOVEMBER 10TH, 2020 BY OFFICER DOMINGUEZ AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 18TH BY MYSELF. AND THE REASON THAT I CALLED THE OWNER IS I SAW TWO MEN WORKING ON THE STRUCTURE AND THEY DID NOT HAVE PERMIT. THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS CONFIRMED ON AUGUST 14TH, 2019 THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT SUBMISSION AND IT, AT THIS TIME IT IS NINE CONTRIBUTING. WE DID HAVE TO WAIT NINE MONTHS FOR AN H D R C TO BE COMPLETED AND THAT WAS COMPLETED AFTER JULY OF 2020. THE FOLLOWING IS A TIMELINE OF EVENTS REGARDING THE NOTIFICATION PROGRESS PROCESS. I'M SORRY, THE FIRST INSPECTION REGARDING 9 38 SOUTH CROSS WAS CONDUCTED ON JUNE 11TH, 2019. THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST 33 MORE INSPECTIONS SINCE THAT TIME. ORIGINAL NOTICE WAS MAILED ON JUNE 12TH, 2019 AND THE CERTIFIED RECEIPT WAS RETURNED TO SENDER ON JULY 24TH, 2019. ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 2020 THE NOTICE FOR THE B S B HEARING WAS POSTED AT 9 38 SOUTH CROSS ON NOVEMBER 5TH, 2020. THE NOTICE FOR THE B S B HEARING WAS MAILED TO THE OWNER ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2020. ALL REQUIRED DOCUMENTS WERE POSTED AT 9 38 KEY SOUTH CROSS. NO SCOPE OF WORK OR FINANCIAL PROOF OR LETTER OF CREDIT OR ENGINEER'S REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED. THERE ARE NO ACTIVE PERMITS ON FILE AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER, SOMETIME AFTER JULY 31ST, 2020 AFTER A FIRE HAD OCCURRED TO THE STRUCTURE IN THE REAR, THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO PULL A PERMIT FOR THE DESCRIPTION OF WORK TO COVER UNROOFED SPACE USING A STEEL TRUS JOINT SYSTEM USING CONVENTIONAL CONSTRUCTION METHODS. THE PER PERMIT WAS, WAS NOT ISSUED DUE TO THE BUILDING PERMIT SUBMITTAL BEING INCOMPLETE AGAIN. I NOTED YESTERDAY TWO MEN WORKING ON THE LOCATION WITHOUT PERMITS. THERE ARE LIENS WITH THE CITY FOR OVER $4,000 FOR HAVING TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY FOR CUT AND CLEAN. UM, IT'S DUE TO HAVE ANOTHER WORK ORDER SUBMITTED UNLESS THE OWNER TAKES CARE OF IT THEMSELVES. THERE IS A SCHOOL DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, UM, FROM 9 38 EAST SOUTH CROSS AND IT'S GILBERT ELEMENTARY. THE PRINCIPAL IS VERY CONCERNED. THERE WAS A FIRE REPORT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN. THE ARE BEING PROVIDED FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION WERE TAKEN ON OCTOBER 27TH AND NOTES NOVEMBER 10TH, 2020. THE PICTURE PRESENTATION CONSISTS OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND A DILAPIDATED CONDITION. AND TERRY, YOUR PHOTOS WERE TAKEN FROM AN OPENING ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. YOU CAN SEE IT, I'M SORRY. NO, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO LOOK TO THE LEFT AND TO, AND LOOK IN FRONT OF ME SO I DO APOLOGIZE. SO IF YOU SEE THE GRAFFITI ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT'S IN RED, THAT'S [01:00:01] WHERE THE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN FROM BY OFFICER DOMINGUEZ. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S MASONRY, UM, ON ALL FOUR SIDES. YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION THERE IS NO ROOF SYSTEM. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO BLAZING, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM. IT'S A VACANT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURE. JUST UNDER 10,000 SQUARE FEET. STRUCTURE IS NEGLECTED AND LACKING A ROOF SYSTEM AND THE NEXT PHOTO IS TAKEN FROM THE SAME SPOT FACING THE OTHER DIRECTION, I JUST CAN SEE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS LOCATION IS THE GILBERT ELEMENTARY. THE INTERIOR PHOTO TAKEN FROM THE FRONT OPENING. THE STRUCTURE HAS NO ROOF SYSTEM, WHICH HAS ALLOWED VEGETATION TO GROW INSIDE THE STRUCTURE. GRAFFITI IS DISPLAYED THROUGHOUT THE INTERIOR AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS OVERGROWN VEGETATION AT THIS TIME. THIS IS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. I USED TO SEE THE DILAPIDATED FISHER BOARD, THE MASON THERE. YOU CAN SEE HOW IT IS. UM, THE PAINT IS COMING AWAY FROM THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE. SOMEONE HAS COME IN AND PAINTED THE FIRST, UM, EIGHT TO 10 FEET OF THE STRUCTURE. THE NEXT PHOTO IS TAKEN FROM THIS OPEN AREA, UM, TO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, YOU GO TO THE LEFT TO THE THIRD OPENING AND THAT'S WHERE THE PICTURES WERE TAKEN FROM THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE BACK FACING THE FRONT AGAIN, THERE WAS A FIRE THAT, UM, PRESUMED THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND IT ALSO CAUGHT FIRE TO THE BACK OF THIS STRUCTURE. THERE ARE BETTER PHOTOS COMING UP. AGAIN, THE GRAFFITI STAYS CONSISTENT ALONG THE BED INSIDE THE INTERIOR. THIS IS A MAJOR CONCERN, ESPECIALLY BEING ACROSS THE STREET FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE REBAR IS VISIBLE. MAJOR CONCERN IS APPARENT IN THIS AREA. THE CINDER BLOCK IS BREAKING CHIPS AND CRACKED ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN. ONLY HALF OF THE CINDER BLOCK REMAINS IN THIS AREA AROUND THE, UH, OPENING WHERE THE GLAZING IS MISSING. AGAIN, WE HAVE THE VEGETATION TAKING OVER, THE LARGE OPENING AND THE WALL, WHICH LEADS TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. THE VAGRANTS ARE ENTERING THROUGH THIS AND EXITING. THERE'S LARGE OPENINGS WHERE WINDOWS USED TO EXIST ALONG THE TOP. THIS LETTER WAS TAKEN BACK IN JUNE OF 2019 SO THAT WE COULD SHOW YOU A COMPARISON OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE LAST YEAR AND THEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW AFTER THE FIRE OCCURRED. FROM THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THIS IS WHAT REMAINS AFTER THE FIRE AND THE STATE. THE STRUCTURE IS IN AT THIS TIME. THERE'S CHARRED WOOD MEMBERS AND THE WOOD BOARD MEMBER MEMBERS ARE BARELY RESTING ON THAT COLUMN. SO THERE IS A DANGER OF THAT FALLING. AND AS WE SEE FROM THE GRAFFITI, THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING TO BARELY DETERIORATED POSTS AT THE BASE. AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CASE, THERE WAS AN ACTION FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THIS PHOTO WAS ALSO TAKEN IN JUNE OF 2019. THAT'S THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IT NO LONGER REMAINS. BUT WHAT DOES REMAIN NEXT? WHAT DOES REMAIN FROM THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS THE DEBRIS THAT HAS BEEN LEFT BEHIND THIS. THIS STRUCTURE NO LONGER POSES A DANGER, BUT THE DEBRIS DOES. THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATION, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET A CLEAR PICTURE FOR YOU. HERE'S THAT LARGE OPENING FROM A PREVIOUS PHOTO THAT REVEALS THE EASY ACCESS FOR RESIDENT TO ENTER THE STRUCTURE. AGAIN, THE OVERGROWN VEGETATION FROM THERE NOT BEING A, A ROOF SYSTEM. AND HERE'S AN ACCUMULATION OF DETACHED MASONRY FROM THE STRUCTURE THAT NOW SITS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. HERE'S THE METAL ROOF PANEL THAT BARELY HANGS ONTO THE STRUCTURE. UH, IF YOU SEE IT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PHOTO. AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT OF DEBRIS ON THE GROUND. THIS IS A MAJOR CONCERN, UH, DUE TO A HUGE BOW ON THIS [01:05:01] SIDE OF THE WALL. IF YOU LOOK UP TOWARDS THE TREE BRANCH, UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE EXTERIOR WALL IS BOWING. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE SEPARATION AT THE CORNER CLOSEST TO YOU. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE AND DILAPIDATED CONDITION. STRUCTURE IS LACKING A ROOT SYSTEM. EXTERIOR MASONARY WALLS ARE CRACKED, SHIPPED AND CERTAIN AREAS HAVE DETACHED AND LAY ON THE GRAVE. SUPPORT. CONCRETE COLUMNS ARE CRACKING AND METAL SUPPORT COLUMNS ARE DETERIORATED. AT THE BASE. THERE WAS A FIRE THAT OCCURRED ON JULY 31ST, 2020 TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR, WHICH HAS CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. CHARD WOOD MEMBERS ARE VISIBLE AND LACKING PROPER SUPPORT. TO RECAP THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 9 38 EAST SOUTH CROSS IS IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE ARTICLE EIGHT, CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 56, SUBSECTION 1 5 7 8, 11, 15, 17, AND 18 IN WHICH ANY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE WHICH HAS ANY OR ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OR DEFECTS HEREIN AFTER DESCRIBED, SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE A DANGEROUS BUILDING AND A HAZARD TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. PROVIDED THAT SUCH CONDITIONS OF DEFECTS OF DILAPIDATION, SUBSTANDARD, OR UNFITNESS OR HUMAN HABITATION CAUSE A THREAT OR POTENTIAL THREAT TO LIFE, HEALTH, PROPERTY OR HUMAN SAFETY STAFF RECOMMENDS DEMOLITION. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF 9 38 EAST SOUTH BRONX. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OFFICER? MS. BROWN? MR. EZ? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MR. ANDES, UH, CODE OFFICER ON THE YES. WAS IT YOUR TESTIMONY THAT ABATEMENT WAS DONE ON THE PROPERTY? I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN SIR. WAS IT IN YOUR TESTIMONY THAT ABATEMENT WAS DONE ON THE PROPERTY? THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER UM, GIVE ME ONE SECOND SIR. NO, I I DON'T NEED A NUMBER. I JUST NEED IT WAS ABATEMENT BEFORE, CORRECT? YES, THERE'S BEEN, UH, SEVERAL ABATEMENTS ON THE PROPERTIES. OKAY. THEY STARTED THIS CASE? YES SIR. THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS ON THAT SO-CALLED SECOND, UH, THE ACCESS BUILDING, THE ACCESSORY. WHO DEMOED THAT? WAS THAT PRIVATELY DONE OR WAS THAT BY AN ABATEMENT TEAM? IT WAS A, A FIRE OCCURRED AND IT TOTALLY TOOK THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AWAY. ALL THAT REMAINS IS THE GERY THAT I SHOWED A PICTURE OF. SO THERE WAS A FIRE THERE AND IN THE MAIN BUILDING, THE FIRE STARTED ON THE ACCESSORY AND CONSUMED IT AND ALSO, UM, TOOK AWAY THE MOST OF THE BACK PORTION STRUCTURE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. I'M SORRY, WHAT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, CODE OFFICER? YES, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. JEFFREY HILLER FOR THE DEVS AND FOR STAR CONNECTION. I'M SORRY, WHO IS THIS? THIS IS, THIS IS JEFFREY HILLER. I'M THE LAWYER FOR THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING. OH, OKAY. THIS IS, THIS, THIS TIME RIGHT NOW IS FOR THE BOARD TO BE ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE, UM, OF THE CODE OFFICER. SIR, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR, YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, OKAY? OKAY. MS. MS CHAIR, I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT COUNSEL FOR THE OWNER HAS THE ABILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS TO, UH, THE CODE OFFICER OR ANY WHO, ANY OR ANYONE ELSE HE'D LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS TO IN REGARDS TO THIS PROPERTY. UH, SO, UM, IF YOU, UM, WANT TO WAIT UNTIL, UH, SHE'S DONE OR WAIT TILL HE'S, UH, PRESENTING, THAT'S FINE. I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT UH, HE DOES HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ASK QUESTIONS. I, I'M HAPPY TO WAIT. OKAY. I'M HAPPY TO WAIT FOR THE BOARD TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WHEN THE BOARD IS DONE I'LL ASK QUESTIONS OF THE OFFICER. THANK YOU. OKAY. BOARD, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE OFFICER? OKAY, NOW YOU CAN, UH, MR UH, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN SIR? MY NAME IS JEFFREY HILLER. JEFFREY THOR, HILLER, H I L L E R. OKAY. MR. HILLER, YOU CAN PRESENT YOUR CASE NOW. WELL, I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OF THE OFFICER. SO, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION BUT I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD HAS A ACCURATE PICTURE OF THE BUILDING AS IT STANDS TODAY. LAST NIGHT, [01:10:01] DOCUMENTS OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE BUILDING WERE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, TO CHRIS DOMINGEZ. DOES THIS OFFICE DOES, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT THE LAST NAME OF THIS OFFICER. CHRISTY HERN IS THE OFFICER. SO AVAILABLE. IT'S OFFICER PAQUETTE. I'M SORRY, OFFICER PATT. I APOLOGIZE. SO OFFICER PAQUETTE DID, ARE YOU IN POSSESSION OF THE PICTURES AND INFORMATION? MY CLIENT, THE DEV SENT MR. DOMINGUEZ YESTERDAY, YES. OKAY. WOULD YOU PLEA, HAVE YOU PROVIDED THOSE PICTURES TO THE BOARD? MR. HILLER? THIS IS JUDY KRUM. I HAVE THE PHOTOS NOW. THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON THE SCREEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO NARRATE THEM. THEY CAN SEE THEM, UM, AS YOU SPEAK AND DESCRIBE THEM. GREAT. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SHOW THE BOARD THE PICTURES. THERE IS A FIRST PICTURE OF BEFORE AND AFTER THAT WAS SENT TO MR. DOMINGUEZ. THERE'S AN EMAIL ABOUT, AND SO THOSE ATTACHMENTS, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND IS TO BRING THOSE UP JUST SO THE BOARD CAN SEE. SO, SO UM, OFFICER PICKETT, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE WALLS THAT WAS BEING REPAIRED BY THE TWO MEN YESTERDAY WHEN YOU OUT WENT OUT THERE YESTERDAY, CORRECT? YES SIR. BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT MA MA'AM, I'M NOT ASKING YOU THAT. I'M ASKING YOU. THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT BUT, BUT THIS IS THE HOLES BEING REPAIRED IN THE WALLS, RIGHT? I DID NOT SEE THEM REPAIRING THOSE. I SAW ONE ON THE LEFT BEING REPAIRED, SO I CAN'T OKAY, SO SAY WHO REPAIRED THOSE KEYS TO, OKAY, WERE THE HOLES IN THE WALLS BEING REPAIRED? THERE WAS A HOLE BEING REPAIRED WHEN I WAS AT THE LOCATION. OKAY. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT PHOTO PLEASE? CAN Y'ALL TRANSFER? CAN Y'ALL SHOW THE BOARD THE NEXT PICTURE? YES. IS THERE, IS THIS PICTURE FINE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY, AND SO WERE YOU ABLE TO OBSERVE THOSE HOLES BEING PATCHED YESTERDAY? I DID NOT OBSERVE ANY HOLES BEING PATCHED, BUT THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I SAW SOMETHING THAT I DID NOT, I UNFOR TO THE SECTION HAS BEEN REPAIRED BUT NOT FULLY AND NOT CORRECTLY BECAUSE YOU MUST HAVE PAID PERMITS PRIOR TO MAKING ANY REPAIRS SIR. SO OFFICER ETT, THIS WILL GO A LITTLE BIT EASIER. I DON'T NEED TO BE, UH, I DON'T WANNA BE ADVERSARY WITH ADVERSARIAL WITH YOU. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO INFORM THE BOARD. I APPRECIATE ALL THAT. I, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB SO IF YOU'LL JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION I CAN GET THROUGH HERE, PUT ON MY CLIENTS AND SO THE BOARD HAS AN IDEA OF WHAT'S OUT THERE TOMORROW, SO I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THE JOB. SO YOU DIDN'T OBSERVE THAT. COULD Y'ALL PLEASE GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE AND I AM SORRY THERE'S A DELAY ON MY VIDEO SO I APOLOGIZE IF I'M GOING SLOW WITH THE BOARD HERE. OKAY, SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEBRIS HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY. MY FOLKS HAD SENT PICTURES BEFORE AND AFTER AND SO DO Y'ALL HA HAS THE BOARD HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE PICTURES OF THE DEBRIS HAVING BEEN REMOVED? NO OTHER, IF NOT, I WOULD JUST, THE PICTURES ARE BEING VIEWED RIGHT NOW SO I CAN GO TO THE PRE CLEANUP PHOTO AND THEN I WILL GO TO THE POST CLEANUP PHOTO. THANKS VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT. YOU ARE WELCOME. AND JUST TO, SO I CAN BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT WITH MY TIME WITH THE BOARD, JUST FEEL FREE TO SHOW THE BOARD THE REST OF THE PICTURES SO THEY UNDERSTAND BEFORE AND AFTER WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS OF YESTERDAY. AND THEN I'LL PUT MY CLIENTS ON AND THEY CAN EX DESCRIBE TO THE BOARD WHAT THEY'VE DONE. BOARD THIS IS A PRE CLEANUP PHOTO PROVIDED BY MR. HITLER AND HIS OWNER AND MR. DEV. THIS IS A PRE CLEANUP PHOTO. THIS IS NOW THE POST CLEANUP PHOTO AND AN ADDITIONAL ONE AS WELL. THESE PHOTOS WERE PROVIDED BY THE OWNER AND HIS ATTORNEY YESTERDAY. THEY ALSO PROVIDED PHOTOS OF THE FRONT WALL. WALL. THERE ARE FOUR PHOTOS, I'LL BE SHOWING THOSE NOW. THANK YOU. AND THE OWNER DID SUBMIT AN EMAIL TO MR. DOMINGUEZ. I'LL BE READING THAT INTO THE RECORD. ADDRESS OF SUBJECT [01:15:01] IS 9 38 EAST EAST, SOUTH HOUSE BOULEVARD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 4. COMPLAINT NUMBER 2 3 2 7 9 6 0 8. AGENDA NUMBER 20 20 11 19 0 2. AND THIS EMAIL WAS RECEIVED. THAT'S WHY WE WILL HAVE THIS DISCUSSION DURING FULL BOARD MEETING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, BOARD COMPLETED SINCE RECENT FIRES TO METAL BUILDINGS. CLEANED UP ALL FIRE DAMAGE AREA NUMBER TWO, CLEANED UP A YARD AND REMOVED ABANDONED MATERIALS AND FURNITURE. NUMBER THREE, YARD WORK, GRASS AND TREE CUTTING BOTH INSIDE AND OUT OF THE FENCE. NUMBER FOUR, REMOVAL AND HAUL AWAY OF ALL METAL BUILDINGS. SCRAP AND DEBRIS. NOTE ATTACHED PHOTOS AFTER FIRE DAMAGE AND WORK AFTER WORK COMPLETED FRONT OF THE BUILDING HAS BEEN GUIDELINES RECENTLY. THESE TWO PHOTOS ATTACHED THE FRONT WALL, PHOTO ONE AND TWO WHICH REPRESENTED CURRENT CONDITION OF THE WALL BEING REPAIRED. C TWO PHOTOS ATTACHED FOR FRONT WALL. NOW ONE AND TWO WHICH REPRESENTED ACTION TAKEN PLEASE. NOW NUMBER ONE, SECURING THE FRONT WALL THIS WEEK. TARGET FINISHED DATE IS THE 19TH OF NOVEMBER. NUMBER TWO, PAINTING OVER THE GRAFFITI INSIDE IN FOUR WEEKS. TARGET FINISHED DATE IS THE 16TH OF DECEMBER. NUMBER THREE, PAINTING OVER THE GRAFFITI OUTSIDE THIS WEEK. TARGET FINISHED DATE IS NOVEMBER 19TH. REMOVING REMAINING DEBRIS THIS MONTH. TARGET FINISHED DATE IS NOVEMBER 30TH. AND NUMBER FIVE, MARKING THIS PROPERTY FOR LEASE OR TALKING TO A POTENTIAL TENANT THIS YEAR. TARGET FINISH DATE IS JANUARY 31ST, 2021. AND THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY CASH DEV, MICROTECH ENGINEERING AND WAS RECEIVED YESTERDAY. THANK YOU. THANKS VERY MUCH. AND SO FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AS WELL AS THE OFFICER. SO THEY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2017 IN ORDER TO EXPAND THEIR, UM, MANUFACTURING BUSINESS. THEY'RE A HISTORICALLY UNDERUTILIZED BUSINESS AND UM, SINCE THEN, UM, THIS PLACE HAS BEEN VANDALIZED AND THEY CONTINUE TO FIX IT AND SECURE IT. THEY GOT AN ENGINEERING REPORT THAT SHOWS THAT THE BUILDING IS SECURED. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEONE THEY'RE TALKING TO TO, TO COME IN AND HAVE HAD SEVERAL TIMES. IT HAS BEEN VANDALIZED AFTER, UM, AFTER THEY PUT A TENANT IN THERE, THAT TENANT WAS VANDALIZED AND THERE WAS A FIRE FROM WHICH THEY THEN CLEANED UP. SO THEY, THEY'RE NOT AN ABSENTEE LANDLORD LETTING THE PLACE FALL APART. IT HAS BEEN TAGGED AND IT'S BEEN REPEATEDLY ATTACKED AND THEY HAVE SECURED IT, AND THERE IS NO, IT'S STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR LEVEL BEST TO, UM, SECURE AS WELL AS IMPROVE IT. AND SO I, I WOULD URGE YOU EVEN TO LOOK THROUGH GOOGLE MAPS AND LOOK DOWN AND SEE HOW THE PROPERTY'S CLEANED UP, THAT THEY ARE SECURING THE PROPERTY AND THAT THEY WANT TO GET A TENANT IN THERE. AND THEIR PRIOR TENANT WAS BASICALLY PUSHED OUT AS A RESULT OF A FIRE AND THEFTS. AND SO, UM, THE CURRENT CONDITION IS IN, IN DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE THE CONDITION THAT THE, FROM THE PHOTOS FROM OCTOBER 27TH OR FROM THE PRIOR YEAR, BECAUSE THEY'VE GONE IN THERE AND REMOVED ALL THE DEBRIS. AND CERTAINLY A YEAR AGO FROM A FIRE, IT WAS, UH, FAR WORSE. NOW IT APPEARS TO BE PRETTY CLEAN AND THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAN IT UP. AND IT, TO THE EXTENT, UH, THERE IS ACCESS THAT'S BEEN CLOSED UP ON THE WALL. UM, AND WILL, SO IF THERE ARE OTHER REASONABLE STEPS OR ANY STEPS THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE, BECAUSE WE WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, AND WE'RE ACROSS FROM A SCHOOL ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY ARE OPEN TO SECURING THE PROPERTY TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT'S PROPERLY SECURE. UH, WE DON'T WANT KIDS IN THERE. WE DON'T WANT 'EM DAMAGING IT. AND IN FACT, THEY HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME FOLKS TO COME IN THERE AND CONTINUE TO LIKE MANUFACTURING IN THAT SPACE. UM, AND SO FROM THE PICTURES YOU SAW INITIALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ACT PROPERLY OR ADEQUATELY, OR ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING, NOR THE STEPS MY FOLKS HAVE BEEN TAKING TO OFF. UM, IT SEEMS TO ME MONTHLY ATTACKS BY OTHER FOLKS IN THERE. UH, BUT GIVEN THE MONEY THAT THEY PUT INTO THIS PROPERTY AND THEIR EFFORTS, FRANKLY, TO MAKE IT A VIABLE AND PRODUCING, UH, BUILDING, I DON'T SEE HOW DEMOLITION WOULD BE WARRANTED GIVEN THEIR WILLINGNESS AND THEIR EFFORTS IN THE PAST TO SECURE IT. SO IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, THE DEVS ARE AVAILABLE TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU BECAUSE THE LAST THING THEY WANT TO DO IS PUT ANYONE IN ANY DANGER AND HAZARD. BUT THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T LIKE TURNED A BLIND EYE. THEY'VE BEEN, UM, RESPONDING TO ATTACKS [01:20:01] ON THAT PROPERTY AND HAD A TENANT, AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY HAVE ANOTHER TENANT THAT THEY WERE SEEKING TO PUT IN THERE AND CLOSE IT ALL IN, AND THEN IT HIT, AND THEY'RE STILL IN DISCUSSIONS NOW WITH THEM. SO, UM, WITH THAT, IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF MY CLIENTS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. MR. HILLER, I HAVE SOME, UH, QUESTIONS HERE. THIS CASE HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE SIX, UH, 1119. THAT'S LIKE MORE THAN A YEAR. AND, UM, I, I'VE BEEN READING THE, THE OFFICER'S NOTES AND, UM, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THIS BUILDING IS SECURE, BUT IT'S AN OPEN BUILDING. SO HOW CAN THAT BE SECURE? AND WHEN I SAY SECURE, IF YOU LOOK FROM THE FRONT, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE IS A FENCE. AND THAT WHEN THE PEOPLE, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE WAS ONE, UM, ENTRANCE AND THAT, THAT HAS BEEN UNATTENDED, IT'S BEEN MULTIPLE BREAK-INS OR MULTIPLE FAILURES. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY GO BY A MONTH LATER, THEY, A WEEK LATER, A MONTH LATER, SOMEONE ELSE HAS BUSTED OUT ANOTHER SECTION OF THE WALL OR BREAKING INTO THE PLACE. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT. SO THEY'RE RESPONDING TO MULTIPLE, UM, INTRUSIONS INTO THE PROPERTY. AND IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THEIR NOTES, THE FIRST ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, BRUSH AND CLEANUP. ABSOLUTELY. SO NOW THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE BRUSH AND THE CLEANUP, AND THEY'RE TAKING THESE THINGS IN PIECEMEAL. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NOTES, IT'S NOT ONE LINGERING ISSUE OVER A YEAR WHERE THE CITY SENDS OUT A LETTER AND SAYS, LOOK, WE KEEP TELLING YOU TO CUT YOUR LAWN AND IT'S A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE WHERE CONCERNED KIDS ARE GOING TO BE BACK IN THERE DOING DRUGS OR BE ATTACKED OR SOMETHING. NO, IT'S A, A VARIETY OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED. AND THEN YOU DON'T SEE MULTIPLE REPORTS. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THERE HAVE BEEN TWO FIRES THERE AND THAT DEBRIS HAS BEEN REMOVED. IT'S NOT ONE EVENT THAT'S BEEN LEFT THERE AS A DANGER TO THE KIDS. MS. BROWN, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNSEL. I AM SORRY. GO AHEAD. I HAVE QUESTIONS, SIR, EITHER YOU OR YOUR CLIENTS COULD ANSWER THIS. NOW YOU HAVE A LETTER FROM THE ENGINEER, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, MY AND MY, I'LL LET YOU CAN HEAR FROM MY CLIENTS, SO, OKAY. THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. DOESN'T MATTER. PLEASE ANSWER. YEAH, NO, NO. I'D LIKE YOU TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM THEM. THERE'S NO, OKAY. THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE FINE. THANK YOU. SALLY, OR CASH, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, RESPOND ABOUT THE ENGINEER'S LETTER AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BUILDING. YES, SURE. THANK YOU JEFF. THANK YOU BOARD FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HEAR OUR CASE. UH, WE, BEFORE I START, LEMME, I'M, I'M SORRY, THIS IS LEGAL. I'M SORRY, SIR. I'M SORRY. THIS IS LEGAL. BEFORE, BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD, AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU YOUR OPPORTUNITY. CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND, UH, YOUR ADDRESS? SURE. YES. UH, MY NAME IS CASH THERE AND MY ADDRESS WHERE I'M CALLING YOU FROM RIGHT NOW IS 3003 ANNUAL STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 9. MAY I PROCEED? AND THEN CASH, WOULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER HIS QUESTION ABOUT THE ENGINEERING REPORT? YES. UH, THE, THE FIRST FIRE TOOK PLACE ON THE BUILDING, THE CONCRETE BUILDING IN THE FRONT WHERE YOU SEE THE PHOTOS PRESENTED WAS DAMAGED. AND WE COMPLETED THE, UH, DEMOLITION TO REMOVE THE UNSECURED STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING. AND WE INVITED, UH, CITY APPROVED, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. HIS NAME IS JOSE VIAL. HE CAME IN, HE INSPECTED THE BUILDING AND HE PROVIDED THE REPORT, WHICH I SUBMITTED TO THE CITY. OKAY. NOW LET ME ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS. YOU GAVE US ALSO A TIMELINE OF WHEN THE PROJECT SHOULD BE COMPLETED. THE OTHER TWO PIECES OF DOCUMENTS WOULD BE A FINANCIAL STATEMENT STATING THE FACT THAT YOU CAN DO THIS AND THEN A ITEMIZED LIST OF THE, UH, COST OF ALL, UH, OF YOUR PRODUCT THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE. OKAY. NOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU TILL JANUARY 31ST, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. BUT THE OTHER DOCUMENTS WERE REQUIRED WITH THIS, FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK, AND OF COURSE ALL PERMITS AND THE PERMITS HAVEN'T BEEN PULLED. [01:25:03] SO IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS FOR THE BOARD. YES. WE, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE FINANCIAL SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS AND THE PERMIT REQUIRED PERMIT DOCUMENTS TO THE BODY. AND HOW SOON DO YOU HAVE THAT? BECAUSE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH IT TO US TODAY. THE, THE, UH, PAINTING OF THE WALL, UH, WHERE THE GRAFFITI IS THERE WHEN, UH, MS. TI WAS SHOWING THE PHOTOGRAPH IN HER PRESENTATION, UH, THAT PAINTING OF THE WALL, THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN ALREADY GIVEN AND PAID FOR. SO IT IS MATTER OF THEM TO SECURE THE WALL AND PAINT OVER THE GRAFFITI AREA. AND, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT STILL JANUARY 31ST TO COMPLETE ALL THIS? NO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF ITEMS WE IDENTIFIED, SIR, IT FOR PAINTING OF THE WALL AND SECURING THE FRONT WALL, UH, WAS 19TH OF THIS MONTH. SO THAT IS, IT'S GOING TO BE, I WAS PROMISED THAT IT WILL BE DONE THIS WEEK, SO IT'LL BE DONE TODAY. RIGHT. BUT I'M LOOKING AT NUMBER FIVE WHERE IT SAYS, UH, YOUR COMPLETION IS THE 31ST. CORRECT. SO THE PLAN THERE IS TO MARKET AND FIND A TANNON, WHICH IS WILLING TO TAKE THE BUILDING AND, AND OCCUPY THE BUILDING. AND THAT WE THOUGHT WE, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE IN COMMUNICATION AND NEGOTIATION WITH THE POTENTIAL TENANT, IT MAY TAKE IN LIEU OF A COVID SITUATION, IT MAY TAKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO WE REQUEST YOU TO, UH, APPROVE UP TO 31ST OF JANUARY. SO YOU ARE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION OF WHAT, 60 DAYS? UM, LIKE I SAID, UH, BECAUSE OF COVID AND HOLIDAYS AROUND THE CORNER, WE WERE REQUESTING 60 DAYS, BUT, UH, OF COURSE IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, GOING TO BE ABOUT 10 WEEKS OR SO. WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING 'CAUSE YOU KIND OF TIED YOURSELF. SO, SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR ABOUT 60 DAYS AND YOU CAN PROVIDE A FINANCIAL STATEMENT AND A SCOPE OF WORK. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. SIR, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE. YOU WOULD, YOU ARE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL TIME, BUT YOU'VE HAD SINCE SIX OF 19 TO DO THIS AND YOU DIDN'T DO IT. YOU OWE THE CITY MONEY FOR, UH, FOR CONTRACTING WORK THAT I, I DON'T KNOW, HAS BEEN PAID OR NOT. AND, UH, THIS IS JUST AN OPEN, OH, IT'S NO ROOF ON IT, IT'S NO NOTHING. IT'S JUST OPEN. AND YOU DIDN'T BRING IN ANY KIND OF, YOU TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL, UH, CLIENT AND, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T BRING IN ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL OR SCOPE OF WORK, UH, NOTHING. AND WHO IS THIS POTENTIAL CLIENT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR DO YOU EVEN KNOW? SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE REASONS, UH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SUPPORT THIS. YOU ARE, UH, I MEAN, ALL THIS STUFF THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE A PIE IN THE SKY. I DON'T, UM, I, I DON'T SEE ANY, ANYTHING THAT'S TANGIBLE THAT I COULD RELY ON. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. UM, ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY, MS. CHAIRMAN, SAY SOMETHING. THE, THE BUILDING HAS A METAL FENCE. IT'S A GATED PROPERTY. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN LOCKED UP AND SECURED, SO NO VEHICLE CAN DRIVE IN WITHOUT OPENING THE GATE. UH, THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT 50 PLUS YEARS AGO FOR LIGHTING THE STEEL USED BY ZACHARY AND COMPANY, AND IT HAS BEEN, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY ALL THESE TIME. WE ALSO BOUGHT THIS BUILDING. THIS WAS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. WE ARE IN A D O D CONTRACTING MANUFACTURING BUSINESS FOR 82 YEARS IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, PROPERTY. THIS IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES. THIS WAS OUR EXPANSION PLAN TO CONTINUE TO MANUFACTURE D O D CONTRACTS IN THIS BUILDING BEFORE WE MOVED IN. THIS WAS VANDALIZED BEFORE WE PREPARED, AND WE DID PREPARE THIS BUILDING FOR MANUFACTURING EXPANSION. AND AGAIN, WE WERE VANDALIZED. SO WE HAVE BEEN ATTACKED LITERALLY [01:30:01] DOZENS OF TIMES, UH, EVERY POSSIBLE WAY YOU CAN IMAGINE. WHEN WE, WHEN THE FIRST FIRE TOOK PLACE, WE TOOK HUNDREDS OF ACTIONS AND COMPLETED AND SECURED THE BUILDING. AND CITY IS INTIMATELY AWARE OF ALL OUR ACTIONS. THEN UNFORTUNATELY, ON 31ST OF JULY, 2020 DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE WERE ATTACKED AGAIN, AND THE BUILDING WAS BURNED DOWN. THE METAL BUILDING WAS BURNED DOWN, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN EARLIER. AND WE HAVE AGAIN, TAKEN HUNDREDS OF ACTIONS TO REMEDY THE SITUATION. IT HAS BEEN SECURED, IT HAS BEEN CLEANED UP, IT HAS BEEN SAFE. NOW EVERY UNSAFE SITUATION HAS BEEN REMOVED AND MEDIATED. SO NOW WE ARE WORKING AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK TO CORRECT THE MOST RECENT DAMAGE TO THE BUILDING, WHICH IS, AS YOU SAW IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS, EVEN A PERSON WAS, UH, PLUGGING THE HOLE YESTERDAY AND WAS STOPPED. UH, AND I GET THE POINT ABOUT PULLING THE PERMIT. SO I WILL BE, I WILL BE AT THE CITY OFFICE TO PULL THE PERMIT AND MAKE SURE THAT BUILDING AGAIN, CANNOT BE, UM, WALKED IN OR, AS YOU STATED, IT'S WIDE OPEN. IT'S NOT WIDE OPEN, WIDE OPEN, MAYBE FROM THE AIR, BUT NOT FROM THE STREET LEVEL. AND SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO SECURE THE BUILDING. WE WILL CONTINUE TO INVEST MONEY AND SECURE THE BUILDING AND PREPARE THE BUILDING SUCH A WAY THAT A TENANT CAN OCCUPY THIS BUILDING. NOT ALL TENANTS NEED ROOM. SO IF I FIND THE TENANT, WHICH IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, I HAVE A POTENTIAL TENANT. HE DOES NOT NEED A BUILDING WITH THE ROOF. HE'S STORING HIS HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND HE WILL OCCUPY WITH MINOR CORRECTIONS. AND I WILL PRESENT THAT LIST TO YOU WITH THE FINANCIAL SUPPORTING DOCUMENT THAT YOU NEED TO, UH, ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS. SIR, TODAY WAS THE DAY THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IN YOUR DOCUMENTS. WE'RE NOT, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HEAR THIS CASE AGAIN UNLESS IT GETS RESET, BUT TODAY WAS THE DAY THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IN ALL THE REQUESTED DOCUMENTS AND ALL THE REQUESTED DOCUMENTS WERE IN YOUR PACKET. SO, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTIONS, THE ACTIONS NOW OUTLINED, THE ACTIONS ARE TWO OF THE FIVE ACTIONS ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETED TODAY. THE ACTION ABOUT GRAFFITI INSIDE THE BUILDING, IT WILL REQUIRE A FEW MORE DAYS BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY, UH, LIKE SHE SAID, UH, 10,000 SQUARE FEET BUILDING. SO IT'LL REQUIRE A FEW MORE DAYS, FEW MORE WEEKS TO PAINT OVER THE GRAFFITI. THE PROBLEM WE ARE FACING RIGHT NOW IS THE MOMENT WE PAINT THE GRAFFITI MYSTERIOUSLY NEW GRAFFITI POPS UP WITHIN LESS THAN A WEEK. AND THAT HAS BEEN OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE. WE HAVE ASKED FOR HELP FROM THE, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT. EVERY TIME THERE WAS A FIRE, THE INVESTIGATION TOOK PLACE. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE UTILITIES IN THIS BUILDING. DURING THE FIRE IT WAS DAMAGED. SO C P S AND THE CITY IS NOT CURRENTLY COOPERATING ON PROVIDING US THE UTILITIES. AND THAT HAS ALSO BEEN A CHALLENGE. EVERY TIME WE HAVE FACED THESE CHALLENGES, WE HAVE OVERCOME. AND NOW I DO HAVE A POTENTIAL CLIENT WHO IS SERIOUSLY INTERESTED IN RENTING THE BUILDING IN, IN THE, ALMOST THE AS CONDITION BECAUSE HE NEEDS CERTAIN THINGS DONE. WE WILL BE DOING THAT. SO I WILL, AND THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE GIVEN 60 DAYS BECAUSE WE HAVE HOLIDAYS AROUND THE CORNER AND COVID AROUND THE BACK. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE IDENTIFYING 60 DAYS. BUT AS FAR AS THE ACTIONS AND FUNDING, SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS AND ALL THAT, WE ARE A THRIVING SAN ANTONIO BASE, D O D CONTRACTING COMPANY. WE HAVE THREE PROPERTIES. THIS IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES. WE ARE DOING OUR LEVEL BASED ON ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES. AND YOU ARE WELCOME TO STUDY US FURTHER IF YOU WANT. WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH ALL THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS YOU MAY NEED. SIR, I, I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M SAYING. TODAY WAS THE DAY THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IN YOUR DOCUMENTS TODAY. WE, I DON'T HAVE DOCUMENT. I'M STILL IN NEGOTIATION. EARLY NEGOTIATION. I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, I, I HEAR BOTH OF YOU AND I, I THINK [01:35:01] THIS IS NOT PRODUCTIVE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU ALL. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THOUGH IS IT IS SECURED. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT STATE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IT REQUIRES TO BE DEMOLISHED, THE, THE, THE CURRENT STATE WAS SUCH THAT IT IS SECURED. AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM MY CLIENT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PAINT OVER THE GRAFFITI AND DO THOSE OTHER THINGS. I DON'T BELIEVE IT CONSTITUTES A NUISANCE RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK IF YOU SEE THE PICTURES AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE, I THINK THE BOARD WOULD CONCLUDE THAT IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED AND RAISED TO THE GROUND. THIS IS OFFICER , THE BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, JESSE? YES, MR. I'M SORRY, MS. MAY I SPEAK TO THE BOARD? YES. I JUST WANTED TALK ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT ITEMS. I, I LISTENED, UM, TO WHAT THE OWNER SAID AND WHAT THE LAWYER SAID. AND I DO APPRECIATE THEM COMING TODAY. BUT I SAW NO PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY BEING SECURED. I DID NOT WALK THROUGH A GATE YESTERDAY. IT WAS A OPENING IN THE FENCE ABOUT 10 FEET WIDE. THAT'S WHERE I WALKED THROUGH. NUMBER TWO, THERE'S NO DATES ON THE PHOTOS THAT WERE PRESENTED TODAY FROM THE OWNER'S DAY. MM-HMM. , I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YESTERDAY OR ANOTHER DAY. I ALSO HEARD THERE'S NO PLANS TO PUT A ROOF ON. AND AS WE KNOW, THE STRUCTURE DOES NEED A ROOF SYSTEM. IT'S TO HOLD IT ALL TOGETHER. THAT'S ONE OF THE THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE STRUCTURE. AND I AM A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT PERMIT. THANK YOU. BOARD. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD, MR. ZIKA. OKAY. UH, I NEED, UH, TO, UH, QUESTION FROM HIM, OUR ATTORNEY, AARON. MR. YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER, HE DOESN'T NEED A, A FINANCIAL STATEMENT, RIGHT? HE ONLY NEEDS, UH, A SCHEDULE, UH, UH, OF THE EVENTS THAT HE'S, UH, PERFORMING ON THAT, UM, BASED ON, BASED ON THE WORK THAT CODE BELIEVES NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE AND ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS WITH THE HOUSE, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE A SCOPE OF WORK, THERE NEEDS TO BE FINANCE, PROOF OF FINANCIAL MEANS. AND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE IN REGARDS TO ONE OF THE THREE SYSTEMS, THE ROOF, THE WALLS, OR THE FOUNDATION, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ENGINEER'S REPORT. UH, OKAY. THOSE THREE THINGS, THOSE THREE, THOSE THREE THINGS ARE NEEDED. AND HE DOESN'T, NO, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SHOW US HIS BANK STATEMENT, BUT SOME, MAYBE A LETTER, SOMETHING, UH, TO PROVE THAT THE, THE, THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, CAN BE AFFORDED. OKAY? YES, BECAUSE AN OPEN STATEMENT, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT FINANCES. IS THAT OKAY? YEAH. AND NOW, BEFORE THE ROOF, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, AND YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, AN ENGINEER'S REPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW, FOR THE APPLICANT. FOR THE APPLICANT WHO'S TALKING SUNGA? OH, I THOUGHT, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE FINISHED. GO AHEAD. OKAY. UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, SIR? YES SIR. SIR, YES. THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT HERE, WHEN CAN YOU GET A, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO GET AN ENGINEER'S REPORT? AND, UH, ALSO WHEN THE ENGINEER'S REPORT WILL SEE IF THE STRUCTURES, UH, STRONG ENOUGH FOR IT. BUT THE THING IS, DO YOU NEED A ROOF, ET CETERA? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THAT SINCE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CO OFFICER ASKED FOR IT. OKAY. SO HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO GET THAT? HELLO? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? UM, LET, LET ME RECAP THE QUESTION. THIS IS AGAIN. UH, O OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. I'M GONNA RECAP THE QUESTION AND REPLY TO THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION WAS, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO GET THE [01:40:01] ENGINEERING INSPECTION DONE AND A REPORT PROVIDED TO THE CITY? YES, AND ED, WHEN YOU RE UH, THE ENGINEER REPORT YOU GET, IF YOU NEED A ROOF, YOU GOTTA BRING THROUGH THE BOARD. WELL, THE COURT OFFICER WILL TELL YOU AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SEE, SEE HOW YOU'RE GONNA PERFORM AND ACCEPT AND, UH, A SCOPE OF WORK. HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU? MORE OR LESS? WELL, I WOULD SAY FOUR WEEKS, SIR. UH, SO DECEMBER 16TH, I, I KNOW YOU HAVE A 31ST DAY, YOU KNOW, IN NOVEMBER, UH, THE END OF NOVEMBER. BUT WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH TO MARKET IT AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND RENT IT? WELL, THAT'S QUICK, BUT I MEAN, UH, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU TO GET THAT PREPARED PLUS TWO, UH, IT HAS SECURITY FENCE, ET CETERA, GATE, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE YOU? PLEASE, SIR, YOU OR YOUR ATTORNEY CAN, YOU KNOW, CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION? I, I, I CAN HEAR YOU. UM, SIR, YES. UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND COORDINATE WITH, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, CITY APPROVED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. I WILL CONSULT AGAIN, UH, MR. JOSE ARIEL, AND, UH, PROVIDE YOU THE NECESSARY SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, UH, SUCH AS WE, UH, SCOPE OF WORK AND LATER FROM THE BANK AND ALL THAT. I, MY SCENARIO, OKAY, LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, AVAILABILITY OF ALL THE, UH, INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED HERE, I WOULD SAY FOUR WEEKS, SIR. BUT, BUT WE COULD EXECUTE . OH, OKAY. CAN YOU PLEASE, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, IF YOU WANT TO ASK FOR A REHEARING OR AN EXTENSION FROM OUR CHAIR PERSON, MS. BROWN, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, BUT YOU COULD ASK FOR THAT. YOU GET IT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I MEAN, ASK FOR IT. WELL, WE WOULD AND, AND, AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD CERTAINLY REQUEST THAT A RESET OR AN EXTENSION SO THAT WE CAN SECURE IT AND GET YOU THE ENGINEERING REPORT BECAUSE THERE'S A GOOD FAITH AND A WILLINGNESS TO COMPLY. HOWEVER, WE NEED TO COMPLY SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET DEMOLISHED. SO WE WOULD REQUEST THAT. I I IT, IT'S BETWEEN YOU TO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS NOT GOING AROUND KNOCKING DOWN BUILDINGS, IF YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU MAKE THE EFFORT IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ASK FOR IT IF YOU WANT TO, AND YOU MIGHT NOT GET IT. WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT WELL, YOU KNOW, WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE CERTAINLY REQUEST A CONTINUANCE AND AN EXTENSION. AND YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T TELL NEIGHBORS WE DO WANT DESTROYED. YEAH, NO, YOU DON'T TELL ME. YOU, YOU TELL THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD THERE, MS. BROWN. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. WE'RE ON THE RECORD AND IT'S BEING RECORDED, AND IT'S AN OFFICIAL HEARING THE PUBLIC, SO I'M ASKING THE CHAIR TO RESET IT AND GIVE A CONTINUANCE. SO HOW, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. WELL, I MEAN, CERTAINLY MAKING THE MOTION TO THE CHAIR. WELL, SHE'S THE ONE THAT DIRECT US. NO, SIR. THIS IS THE CHAIR SPEAKING. HELLO, ARE YOU THERE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THIS IS THE CHAIR SPEAKING. WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS A DEMOLITION. SIR, IF YOU HAVE WANTED TO REPAIR THIS BUILDING, YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE REQUESTED OR THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS AT THE TIME, WHICH IS TODAY. LET ME REITERATE THAT TODAY. YOU DID NOT. AND THEN AGAIN, WHEN I GO BACK TO WHAT, UH, MS. HAS SAID ABOUT THIS BUILDING IS NOT SECURE, THERE'S NO FENCE AROUND IT. THIS IS AN OPEN BUILDING WITH NO ROOF ON IT. AND YOU ALL, YOU ALL HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL NOW. ALL OF A SUDDEN, AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME, WE APPRECIATE YOU CLEANING UP THE AFTER THE FIRE, BUT THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE IT'S YOUR BUILDING. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD IS THE DEMOLITION. WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO SAVE IT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY POTENTIAL CLIENTS. A POTENTIAL CLIENT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, PIE IN THE SKY. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CLIENTS TO, TO, UH, TO COME IN THERE AND DO ANY MANUFACTURING. YOU HAVEN'T PRESENTED ANY INFORMATION TO US ABOUT THIS, ABOUT, UH, A CLIENT OR WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO AT THE BUILDING. NOTHING. SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST STATING FACTS HERE. SO, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CLIENTS? UH, THIS IS EFRON RA. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, UH, COUNSEL MR. BURNS. UM, IF, [01:45:01] UH, TO, TO THE CHAIR'S COMMENT, IF THE, UM, IF THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES IN FRONT OF US, IS IT, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM, UH, STAFF TO DEMO? CAN WE AS A BOARD SAY, CHANGE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO A REPAIR INSTEAD OF, OR IS IT A YES OR NO TO THE, TO THE DEMO? NO. WHAT, SO WHAT IT IS, IS THAT IT, IT IS CODE'S RECOMMENDATION. THIS BOARD MAKES THE ULTIMATE DECISION. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF A, OF A, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, THEY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF A REPAIR, BUT BASED ON TESTIMONY PROVIDED YOU, YOU GUYS AREN'T SATISFIED, THEN YOU CAN, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO DEMOLISH AND VICE VERSA. YOU CAN AGREE WITH, WITH CODE'S RECOMMENDATION, OR YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH CODE'S RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND I'M, I'M LOOKING AT HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION IS DEMOLITION, BUT IF THIS BOARD BELIEVES BASED ON THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED, THEN, UH, UM, THEN THEY CAN MAKE A, AN ORDER TO REPAIR IT. WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESET THIS CASE TO ALLOW THE, THE CUSTOMER MORE TIME. IF, IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD CHOOSES TO DO, OR WE CAN ORDER A REPAIR, WE CAN DO ANY OF THE ABOVE. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, DEMOLISHED. BUT I WOULD ADVISE THAT YOU KNOW, IT, HE DIDN'T BRING IN ANYTHING TODAY. THAT'S JUST MY CASE. IF YOU DON'T BRING IN ANYTHING, HOW WE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT WE CAN RESET IT OR WE CAN HAVE HIM REPAIR IT OR DEMOLISH IT. EITHER ONE. THE BOARD HAS THAT AUTHORITY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. SURE. M SORRY, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M SORRY. I'M GONNA JUMP IN JUST TO ONE CLARIFICATION. I WANTED TO, TO PROVIDE TO YOU. WHO'S THIS? GIMME ONE SECOND. THIS IS LEGAL SPEAKING. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD. UM, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THIS BOARD UNDERSTANDS IT. IF YOU DO BELIEVE THAT A A A REPAIR IS IN, IN, IN ORDER, AND YOU WANT TO DO IT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED FOR YOU TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY, SINCE NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVIDED, YOU ONLY, THEY ONLY HAVE 30 DAYS. WE DON'T EXTEND THAT TO 90 TO 60. IT'S 30 DAYS NOW. UM, IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, THIS BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO RESET THE CASE AND ALLOW 'EM TO BRING THAT INFORMATION. BUT WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION, THE A REPAIR ORDER CAN'T BE MORE THAN 30 DAYS. OKAY? HAVE, HAVE ALL QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED BY EITHER OUR LEGAL TEAM OR MYSELF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER RESET IT OR REPAIR IT OR DEMOLISH IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS CONCERNING THAT, THOSE ISSUES? I KNOW, UH, THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CLIENTS? OKAY. WELL, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES. I'D LIKE TO PRESENT A MOTION TO, UH, RESET THE CASE. UM, MY REASONING FOR IT IS, UH, THE CODE OFFICERS PRESENTING THAT THE STRUCTURE NEEDS A, A ROOF. UH, WE'RE NOT STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. IF WE GIVE THE CLIENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING A LETTER FROM THE, FROM AN ENGINEER, MAYBE THE MASONRY WALL IS, UH, SELF, SELF CAN STAND BY ITS OWN. UM, AND AS THE, UH, COUNSEL FOR THE CLIENT SAID, UM, IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING, THEY'VE BEEN REPAIRING AND ADDRESSING ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE GONE. AND IF IT'S REALLY A FINANCIAL STATEMENT, UM, IN MY OPINION, AND MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE RESET IT SO THEY, TO GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, UM, THE THINGS THAT HAVE, UH, THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN NOTICES FOR. SO, I, I MOTION TO RESET FOR, UM, 60 DAYS SECOND BOARD. THIS IS LEGAL. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, THIS IS LEGAL. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I'M REQUESTING EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. LET'S TAKE A, UH, WE'LL TAKE A, WE'LL GO NOW. Y YES, I'D LIKE IT NOW. JUDY, PLEASE BRING ALL THE MEMBERS IN IN LEGAL TEAM. OKAY? RIGHT NOW, THIS IS JEN. I'M SORRY, HAVE DONE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE. I'M SORRY, WHAT? WE'VE NOT DONE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE THROUGH WEBEX. ERIC, IS IT, UM, I'M SORRY. THIS IS JENNY RAMIREZ, UM, HEAD ENFORCEMENT MANAGER. IS IT YOUR CHOICE [01:50:01] FOR US TO DROP OFF THE CALL AND THEN REJOIN OR? YES. OKAY. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WAY FOR US TO DO IT. YES, I, I WOULD AGREE AS WELL. SO I'LL BE REQUESTING THAT ALL, UM, CODE STAFF OR CITY STAFF DROP OFF THE CALL AND JUDY WILL NOTIFY US. UM, ERIC, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A WAY OF CONTACTING JUDY. SHE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH US. YES, JUDY, I'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. HILLER, SHOULD, YOU'RE GONNA END THE CALL RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WILL CALL YOU BACK SHORTLY AFTER, UM, STAFF HAS COMPLETED THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. PERFECT. SO WE'RE GOING TO, I'LL BE AT THE SAME NUMBER. I'LL BE AT THE SAME NUMBER, THEN JUST CALL ME. I'M WAITING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL DROP OFF. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES. UM, MR. TOMAZ, MR. UH, I THINK AFTER THIS, AFTER WE MAKE A MOTION, AFTER THIS CASE, WE CAN TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR, UH, MEETING. OKAY. IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. MS. BROWN. OH, MS. BROWN. YES. THIS IS JUDY. WE CAN RESUME. WE'RE ALL BACK INTO THE BOARD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S NOW 1120. WE WILL RESUME BACK INTO OUR REGULAR SESSION. I'M SORRY. AND WE'RE STILL GETTING THE ATTORNEY ON THE LINE, MR. HILLER, SO IT'LL BE JUST A MOMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. STILL THERE? YES. MR. HILL? YES. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. WE'LL GET STARTED MOMENTARILY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I CAN, A HORRIBLE [01:55:24] MS. BRAD, WE CAN BEGIN. WE CAN RESUME MR. HILLER AND, AND MR. UH, CON, WAS IT, ARE YOU ALL THERE? YES, WE'RE HERE. OH, GREAT. OKAY. I THINK WE WERE ABOUT TO HAVE A, A MOTION OF SOME TYPE. SO CAN WE, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE TO REHASH AGAIN WHAT WE'VE GONE OVER, BUT, UM, COULD WE GET A MOTION PLEASE? UM, SAID, UH, PRIOR TO GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WAS, UH, THAT WE RESET, UM, INITIALLY I SAID 60 DAYS, BUT JUST UNTIL THE, WE HAVE A FULL QUORUM FOR BOARD WHENEVER IT WOULD BE. I'M SORRY. YOU, I'M SORRY, WHAT? NOW? SAY IT AGAIN. I MOTION THAT WE RESET THE CASE. OKAY. FOR HOW MANY DAYS? UM, FOR THE NEXT SESSION. FOR THE NEXT SESSION. OKAY. OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING, CORRECT. YOU KNOW, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE A FULL BOARD. YES, YOU DO. OKAY. YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION. HELLO? SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE, WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE FOR, UM, TO RESET THIS UNTIL THE NEXT FULL BOOK DISCUSSION COMES ABOUT. SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND AMENDMENT? MICAH HARPER. I'M SORRY. I SAID THIS IS MICAH HARPER. I SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND. THIS IS SO FRIENDLY. AMENDMENT TO THAT. WE HAVE A SECOND. MICAH HOPPER MADE A SECOND. SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? YES. A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. THIS IS FRED AND I'M SORRY, FRED, WHAT? A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. GO AHEAD TO TO THAT. IT'S ALSO TO STOP ALL CONSTRUCTION. THEY CAN STILL DO THEIR MAINTENANCE OF THE YARD AND THE CLEANUP. THEY NEED TO STOP ALL CONSTRUCTION UNTIL WE GET A QUICK ASSESSMENT OF THAT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPEAT THAT. YEAH. A STOP ALL A STOP ORDER OF ALL CONSTRUCTION. SO THEY CAN'T START ANY CONSTRUCTION UNTIL THE BOARD REVIEWS ALL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE THE BOARD HAS REQUESTED, I ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT. IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? DID Y'ALL EVEN HEAR ME? OKAY. WE HAVE A, A 30 DAY, UH, RESET OR UNTIL THE BOARD MEETS AGAIN IN ITS FULL, UH, FULL CAPACITY, A STOP WORK ORDER UNTIL ALL RELEVANT DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A SECOND. OKAY. CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. NELSON? NAY. THAT WAS A NAY. MR. ZUNIGA? NAY. MS. RODRIGUEZ? NAY, MR. TAPIA? NAYYY. MS. BROWN NAYYY. MR. [02:00:01] ANDES? YES. YES. MR. HARPER? YES. MS. GUILLORY? NO. MR. VIRA? YES. THANK YOU. MOTION WITH A VOTE OF THREE TO SIX. OKAY. SINCE THE MOTION FAILED. SO WE WILL HAVE TO, UM, GET ANOTHER, UH, MOTION GOING HERE. MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS DWAYNE NELSON. YES, I MOVE THAT THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 9 38 EAST SOUTH CROSS IS A STRUCTURE AS A RESULT OF, UH, CHAPTER EIGHT SIX DASH SIX DASH 1 56 SUBSECTIONS 1 5 7 8 11, 15, 17, AND 18. AND THAT THE STRUCTURE BE DEMOLISHED IN 30 DAYS. SECOND, I'M SORRY, WE HAVE A NEW MOTION SINCE THE THE, UH, ORIGINAL MOTION FAILED. SO WE HAVE A NEW MOTION OF A 30 DAY DEMO. DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND. MR. ZUNIGA, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ON THIS, WHEN WE HAVE AN OWNER HERE WHO HAS AN ATTORNEY WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, PUT SO MUCH EFFORT INTO IT AND IS OBVIOUSLY WORKING ON IT, WHY WE WOULD DEMO A PROPERTY INSTEAD OF GIVING 'EM A CHANCE TO GIVE US AN ENGINEER'S REPORT WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE CLEARLY WILLING TO DO THAT. MICHAEL, THE REASON WHY I MOTION THAT IT'S A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE AND UH, IT COULD BE DEMOLISHED, IS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SUFFICIENT TIME FOR THE, FOR THE OWNER TO ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION ON THE PROPERTY. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, IT IS UNUSUAL FOR YOU TO BUILD A STRUCTURE, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE THE WALL STAND ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT HAVING ROOF SUPPORT. UH, NORMALLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A WALL THAT REQUIRE, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE, UH, SELF-SUPPORTING. UH, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BUILDING IT WITH A ROOF ATTACHMENT. SO IT'S VERY UNUSUAL TO HAVE CONSTRUCTED IT THAT WAY. UH, AS A RESULT, IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE WALL ACTUALLY CANNOT STAND ON ITS OWN AND THEREFORE IT IS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE. AND THERE'S BEEN SUFFICIENT TIME FOR ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE BOARD TO HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE BOARD TODAY. I, I SUPPOSE I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE MAKING AN EFFORT. THEY'VE SECURED THE PROPERTY, THEY'VE HAD MULTIPLE INSTANCES OF VANDALISM, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THOSE. I JUST FEEL LIKE THE OWNERS HERE ARE MAKING AN EFFORT. AND USUALLY WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO FIX THE BUILDING EVEN IF THEY COME AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE, WHICH IS WHAT EVERY OWNER DOES. UM, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW. I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE THEY, THEY ARE HERE AND THEY'RE MAKING AN EFFORT. AND SO I I WOULD THINK TEARING IT DOWN WOULD WOULDN'T WORK. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR OPINION. UH, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, NORMALLY IF IT HAD NOT BEEN OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, UH, I GUESS I WOULD'VE HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION. BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ISSUE OF QUOTE, VANDALISM VERSUS THE ABILITY FOR THE STRUCTURE TO STAND VANDALISM IS NOT REALLY AN ISSUE IN TERMS OF IT JUST A SOUND STRUCTURE OR IS IT NOT A SOUND STRUCTURE? IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A WALL THAT'S AVAILABLE TO BE PAINTED. SURE, I UNDERSTAND. I, I JUST, I BELIEVE IT COULD BE REPAIRED. UH, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THE TIME HAS BEEN TAKEN SO LONG BECAUSE WE NEEDED A FULL QUORUM. SO IF YOU BRIEF THROUGH THE NOTES, IT SAYS THAT NO QUORUM WAS REACHED. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THE DELAY IN, IN THE, UM, IN US GETTING THIS IN FRONT OF US. SO JUST A NOTE. YEAH, THERE WAS A AN THE MOTION FAILED. THE FIRST MOTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE FIRST MOTION FAILED? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST, JUST, JUST SOME COMMENTS, THAT'S ALL. OH, OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A, A MOTION FOR A THURSDAY DEMO ON THE TABLE. DO, DID WE GET A SECOND? A SECOND. I AM SORRY MR. ZUNIGA. SECOND. MR. ZUNIGA DID SECOND. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? OR I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AND I JUST HAD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT KIND OF WENT ALONG WITH MR. NELSON. I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UH, WRITEUP AND THERE WERE ALSO ADDITIONAL TWO FIRES. SO THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BREAKDOWN IN THE STRUCTURE AS WELL. SO WHEN WE DIDN'T GET AN [02:05:01] ENGINEER'S REPORT WHEN EVEN THOUGH WE WERE DELAYED, THAT STILL GAVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME TO COLLECT THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY NEEDED. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT MOTION INITIALLY FELL BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER'S REPORT, THEY'VE HAD SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE AND READING IT, IT WAS LIKE A HUNDRED K IN DAMAGE AND THEN THEY HAD ANOTHER FIRE IN AUGUST. SO THERE SIGNIFICANT BREAKDOWN IN THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. SO ONCE AGAIN, IT IS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE. SO WE HAVE, UM, OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I ALSO HAVE, UM, ISSUES WITH THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE A CEILING. IT IS NOT SECURED. AND THAT WAS BY THE OFF CODE OFFICER'S OWN ACCOUNT. SHE SAID IT IS NOT SECURED AND THERE'S A FENCE OR SOMETHING IN THE BACK THAT HAD A BIG HOLE IN IT AND THE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT. SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PATCHING OF THE WALLS. WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO EVEN LAST BECAUSE IT WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS. SO COULD WE GET A A, A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. NELSON? AYE. MR. ZUNIGA? YEAH. MS. RODRIGUEZ? AYE. MR. TAPIA? AYE. MS. BROWN? AYE. MR. ANDIS? NO. MR. HARPER? NAY. MS. GUILLORY? I'M SORRY. MS. GUILLORY? YES. THANK YOU MR. GURA. NAY. THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES WITH THE VOTE AT SIX TO THREE. OKAY. TO THE, UH, THIS IS THE BOARD CHAIR SPEAKING TO THE OCCUPANT, TO THE LAWYER, AND, UH, THE, UH, OWNER YOU GET WITH YOUR, GET WITH YOUR, UM, GET WITH YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. WE'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT WE JUST DID. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING IN. OKAY. AND I, AND I, IS THAT GONNA BE, IS THAT GONNA BE MR. DOMINGUEZ FOR, UH, THE, THE, THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TODAY? UH, OFFICER ETTE? YES. MR. HILLER, YOU CAN CONTACT MS. ETTE. OKAY. AND WHAT'S THE NUMBER TO REACH MS. ETTE? IT IS TWO TEN THREE NINE FOUR TWO NINE ONE TWO. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, SARAH. THIS IS, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE MOVE SOME ITEMS AROUND ON THE AGENDA. WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION TO THE VERY END. AND I WOULD LIKE, UM, FOR THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM PRESENTATION FROM OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BE HEARD NOW. OKAY. THAT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. UM, MS. CHAIR, WE, WE BEEN NEED? YEAH. OKAY. I HAD ASKED FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, BUT I'LL WAIVE IT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFFING SOMETHING I HAD AND WE'RE NOT FINISHING, I'M SORRY, MR. ZUNIGA, YOU WANTED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? UH, I HAD ASKED FOR AND, AND IF THAT'S THE ONE WE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, I WAIVE IT FOR THE TIME BEING. I'M WORKING WITH STAFF WITH SOME MY THANKS. OKAY. SO DO YOU WANT, WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THE END OF THE, UH, OF THE END OF OUR PROGRAM. IT WOULD THAT NOT, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA PARTICIPATE IN IT. I'M SORRY. YOU DON'T WANT TO WHAT? NO, I WON'T. UH, I HAD ASKED FOR, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION ON SUBMISSIONS THAT I HAD, UH, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THEM STAFF AND SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND WAIVE THAT FOR THIS UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS AN EXEC. UH, SOMETHING FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. JUDY, WE ARE GETTING READY TO DO THIS PRESENTATION ON VACANT BUILDINGS, BUT MR. ZUNIGA WANTS TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ABOUT SOME ISSUES THAT HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. WELL, HE ACTUALLY, [02:10:01] HE'S ACTUALLY WAIVING HIS, HIS REQUEST, AND WE'LL HOLD OFF UNTIL THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THE END OF THIS SECTION, UH, AFTERWARD. I DON'T WANNA BE, I DON'T WANNA BE INVOLVED IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. SO IF IT, THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS COULD, BUT ON MINE, THE ONE I HAD REQUESTED, NO, THANK YOU. ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW, MR. ZUNIGA? NO, NO, NO. GO. I'M SAYING THAT I, I DON'T NEED THE EXECUTIVE SESSION SESSION THAT I HAD ASKED FOR. OH, YOU DON'T WANT IT? OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, WE CAN CONTINUE. JUDY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. ANITRA HENNING, OR MS. KATHY RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT YOUR PRESENTATION AND JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'D LIKE ME TO SWITCH SLIDES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JUDY. THIS IS KATHY RODRIGUEZ. I JUST WANTED TO SAY GOOD MORNING TO THE BOARD. UM, I'M GOING, I'M BEING CALLED AWAY. I HAVE A, UH, MEETING WITH COUNSEL, BUT ANITRA HENNING WILL BE GIVING THE PRESENTATION OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO, UH, LET THEM KNOW THAT I WAS HERE. UH, MY NAME IS KATHY RODRIGUEZ. I AM THE DEPUTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER WHO OVERSEES THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM, LIVING HERITAGE PROGRAM AND EDUCATION INITIATIVES FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, AS I MENTIONED, I'LL BE CALLED AWAY, BUT I'M LEAVING YOU IN GOOD HANDS WITH ANITRA HENNING. UH, SHE IS A SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST WHO'S BEEN WITH THE PROGRAM SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING. SO SHE HAS A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE, UH, REGARDING THE PROGRAM. UM, WE ARE HERE AS A RESOURCE TO YOU ALL. WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING A LOT OF INFORMATION THIS MORNING, SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO US, UM, AT ANY POINT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR PROGRAM, UM, THE ORDINANCE OR THE AREAS OF WHICH WE WORK IN. UM, WITH THAT, UM, WITH, UM, UH, MADAM CHAIR'S PERMISSION, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO ANITRA HENNING. GOOD. THANK YOU, KATHY. UH, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. IT'S KATHY SAID, I AM ANITRA HENNING, UH, SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST HERE IN THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND, UH, IT HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE WE PRESENTED ABOUT OUR PROGRAM TO THE B S B. SO WE'LL DO KIND OF A BROAD OVERVIEW OF HOW OUR PROGRAM WORKS, AND THEN END A COUPLE OF EXAMPLE PIECES. UM, SO, UH, JUDY CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WHAT WE'LL, UH, TALK ABOUT TODAY, I'LL KIND OF INTRODUCE OUR TEAM, TALK ABOUT WHY WE FOCUS ON VACANT BUILDINGS, UH, THE ORIGINS OF THE PROGRAM, THE STRUCTURE AND PROCESS OF THE PROGRAM, WHERE OUR PROGRAM ACTUALLY APPLIES, HOW WE IDENTIFY PROPERTIES. AND, UM, AND THEN GIVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF, OF SOME, UH, CASES THAT WE'VE WORKED ON SINCE THE PROGRAM BEGAN. UH, SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS OUR TEAM. UH, WE ARE FIVE. UH, KATHY, YOU GUYS JUST SAW, UH, MYSELF, DIANE SASSON HAGEN, UH, JOHN SANCHEZ ARE BOTH SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYSTS LIKE MYSELF. WE ARE CASE MANAGERS ON THE PROGRAM. AND THEN DEREK TOKI IS, UM, A VACANT BUILDING SPECIALIST WHERE HE SPENDS ABOUT HALF HIS TIME OUT IN THE FIELD, AND THEN HALF THE TIME, UH, GIVING ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, UH, FOR OUR PROGRAM. THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I, WELL, WHILE ADOBE ACROBAT TRIES TO FIGURE ITSELF OUT, I'LL JUST KEEP GOING. . UM, SO SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE FOCUS ON VACANT PROPERTIES, UM, SOME OF THE COMMONLY KNOWN NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF VACANT PROPERTY THAT EVERYONE EXPECTS IS THAT THEY, OF COURSE, ATTRACT CRIME AND VAGRANCY AND VERMIN. UH, SOME OF THE LESS WELL-KNOWN IMPACTS ARE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY, UH, NEGATIVELY IMPACT, UM, SOMEONE'S HEALTH, THEIR ACTUAL PHYSICAL BEING. UM, A THERE ARE STUDIES THAT HAVE SHOWN THAT ARE REAL OR EVEN PERCEIVED, UH, THREAT TO ONE'S SAFETY CAN CAUSE A STRESS RESPONSE IN THE BODY. AND Y'ALL KNOW THAT, UH, WHEN THE BODY IS UNDER STRESS, THAT CAUSES ALL SORTS OF THINGS, UH, TO HAPPEN IN A NEGATIVE WAY. UM, THERE ARE STUDIES THAT HAVE SHOWN THAT A DETERIORATED VACANT PROPERTY CAN ACTUALLY REDUCE, UH, THE VALUE OF A, OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES UP TO 500 FEET AWAY, WHICH DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE BLOCK AND THE SIZE OF THE LOT, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 5, 8, 10 HOUSES AWAY. UM, AND OF COURSE, VACANT PROPERTIES DO CAUSE AN INCREASED, UH, INCREASED AMOUNT OF COST FOR EVERYONE AS CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE THEY HAVE A, AN INCREASED NUMBER OF CALLS TO POLICE, FIRE, AND CODE. UM, AND JUST AS A LITTLE SIDE NOTE, UM, OUR PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY ONE OF ABOUT 550, UH, VACANT PROPERTY REGISTRATION ORDINANCES THAT EXIST IN THE COUNTRY. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, [02:15:01] UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THAT ARE KIND OF TAKING THIS APPROACH TO ADDRESSING VACANCY. ALTHOUGH, UM, SOME OF US TAKE, UH, ARE MORE HOLISTIC, LIKE OUR PROGRAM AND OTHERS ARE JUST KIND OF STRAIGHT, YOU MUST REGISTER AND PAY FEES AND THAT'S IT. UH, SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THE PROGRAM BEGAN IN 2015 AFTER IT WAS PASSED BY, UH, UH, CITY COUNCIL IN THE SUMMER OF 2014. UM, BASICALLY THE GOALS WERE TO HELP CON CONSERVE AND REUSE EXISTING BUILDING STOP. UM, A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT THE PROGRAM IS IN ARE AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE, UH, THERE IS AGING HOUSING STOCK, UM, NOT NECESSARILY JUST IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT BECAUSE THERE WAS THAT OVERLAP. AND BECAUSE OUR OFFICE HAS THAT FOCUS, IT ENDED UP BEING, UM, UH, PLACED IN OUR OFFICE. UH, WHILE, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, UH, PROGRAM ITSELF. UM, SO OUR PROGRAM DOES APPLY TO BOTH, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. UM, AND WE WORK TO SPARK OWNERS TO REPAIR AND REOCCUPY THESE PROPERTIES. UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, THERE, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF TEETH TO OUR PROGRAM. UM, WE, WE CAN TAKE PROPERTY OWNERS TO, UH, MUNICIPAL COURT. UM, BUT BEFORE THAT POINT, WE DO TRY TO WORK ON RELATIONSHIP BUILDING WITH THE OWNER TO ACHIEVE CHANGE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR A VERY LONG TIME. AND THE OWNERS TEND TO BELIEVE THAT IF THEY'RE PAYING THE TAXES AND THEY'RE KEEPING THE YARD CUT, THEN THEY ARE IRRESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT'S ALL THEY NEED TO DO. UM, MEANWHILE, THEIR ASSET IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ACTIVELY DETERIORATING. SO WE KIND OF, WE, WE SPEND TIME WITH THEM TO TRY AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO, TO TAKE ACTION WHERE SOMETIMES THEY HAVEN'T FOR, FOR DECADES. SO OUR PROGRAM ACTUALLY KIND OF FITS BETWEEN, UM, KIND OF THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE CODE AND DANGEROUS PREMISES. UM, WE TRY TO, BASICALLY THE EFFORTS THAT OUR PROGRAM MAKES TRIES TO PREVENT PROPERTIES FROM GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY BECOME A DANGEROUS PREMISE AND THEN COME TO YOU GUYS, UM, POSSIBLY TO BE, UH, DEMOLISHED. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, SO IN MOST CASES WE PREFER THAT PROPERTIES BE REUSED RATHER THAN, UM, JUST GOTTEN RID OF. UH, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO SOME OF THE MAJOR MILESTONES IN OUR PROGRAM PROCESS, UM, WE DO HAVE PROPERTIES, UM, IDENTIFIED THROUGHOUT, UH, THROUGH A VI UH, VARIETY OF METHODS, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, ABOUT 900 VACANT PROPERTIES IN OUR PROGRAM INVENTORY. UM, AND SO BY THE PROGRAM ORDINANCE, UM, ONCE A PROPERTY HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS VACANT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO OBSERVE IT FOR 30 DAYS BEFORE WE CAN TAKE ACTION TO REQUIRE THE OWNER TO REGISTER THEIR PROPERTY. UM, SO ONCE THAT 30 DAY CURING PERIOD IS OVER, THEN WE SEND, UH, A NOTICE LETTER POST ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THAT GIVES THE OWNER 90 DAYS TO REGISTER THEIR PROPERTY AND SET A PLAN OF ACTION TO BRING THEIR PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. UM, NOW THIS 90 DAYS WE KIND OF USE, UM, AS NEGOTIATING TOOL WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. SOMETIMES IF THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH WRONG WITH THEIR PROPERTY, WE'LL ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET THE WORK DONE BEFORE THE 90 DAYS IS UP. AND THEN THERE'S NO REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY NOW, UM, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROGRAM. UM, BUT IF IT'S A PROPERTY THAT DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WE, THERE IS NO ACTUAL REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEONE REPAIR IT WITHIN THAT 90 DAY NOTICE PERIOD THAT THEY RECEIVE. UM, WE JUST TRY TO USE THAT TO, UH, TO ENCOURAGE CHANGE, UH, QUICKLY IN, IN CASES WHERE IT CAN HAPPEN QUICKLY. SO AFTER A PROPERTY IS REGISTERED, OR EVEN IF IT'S NOT REGISTERED, UH, THE CASE MANAGER FOLLOWS UP ON THE PROGRESS. UM, WE, AGAIN, WE ATTEMPT TO DO RELATIONSHIP BUILDING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE AN ASSET IN THEIR PROPERTY AND LETTING IT DETERIORATE MORE JUST MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS OF AN ASSET. UM, AND OF COURSE, A VACANT LOT IS WORTH A LOT LESS THAN A STANDING STRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY A STANDING STRUCTURE IN GOOD REPAIR. SO IF A PROPERTY IS REPAIRED AND AND OR OCCUPIED REOCCUPIED, THEN IT IS NO LONGER, UM, THE PROGRAM, NO, NO LONGER REP APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY. AND THEN WE REMOVE IT FROM OUR PROGRAM INVENTORY. UM, AND IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES, UM, TO THE PROPERTY, AND OR IF THE OWNER SOMETIMES MAKES AN AFFIRMATION THAT THEY REFUSE TO DO ANYTHING AND THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING, THEN WE START OUR PATH TO MUNICIPAL COURT. UH, WHICH IS STILL A PROCESS THAT TAKES US A BIT OF TIME BECAUSE WE DO A, UH, FINAL VIOLATION NOTICE, WHICH GIVES THEM [02:20:01] A PERIOD OF TIME TO REPAIR THE PROPERTY OR AT LEAST BEGIN TO PREPARE THE PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN WE WILL ACTUALLY FILE COURT CASES AND THEN SEND THEM TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS YEAR GOING THE WAY IT HAS WITH COVID, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME BEFORE THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ARRAIGNMENT DATE BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF MAKING UP FOR LOST TIME FROM THE TIME WHEN THERE WEREN'T ARRAIGNMENTS THIS YEAR. UM, SO ONCE WE DO TAKE AN OWNER TO ADMISSIBLE COURT, UM, EVEN AT THAT POINT, WE ARE STILL MORE FOCUSED ON REPAIR. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO JUST PAY THE COURT FEES AND GO AWAY BECAUSE THEN THE PROPERTY IS STILL IN THE SAME CONDITION THAT IT WAS. UH, SO WE ENCOURAGE, UM, THEM TO SIGN SENTENCING AGREEMENTS WHERE THEY DO THE WORK WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME. UM, WE CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO IF AN OWNER DOES HAVE A PLAN, UH, FOR HOW THEY WANT TO REPAIR AND REOC OCCUPY THEIR PROPERTY, WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE WITH THEM AS ESTABLISHED IN THE ORDINANCE. UM, WE DO HAVE FIVE FEE WAIVERS THAT WE OFFER TO PROPERTY OWNERS. THE ONE THAT, UM, WE ISSUE MOST OFTEN IS THE ONE WHERE THEY ARE, IF THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS REPAIRING THE PROPERTY AND WORKING TOWARDS REOCCUPYING IT, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE REGISTRATION FEES, UH, FOR OUR PROGRAM. UM, ANOTHER ONE OF THE, UM, UH, FEW WAIVERS WE HAVE IS IF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN HARMED BY A NATURAL DISASTER, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS LIVING BELOW, UH, THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, UH, IF THE OWNER IS DECEASED OR NO LONGER LEGALLY COMPETENT. UM, AND THEN THE FINAL FEE WAIVER THAT WE HAVE, UH, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN FOCUS. IT'S FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S IN GOOD REPAIR THAT MEETS OUR STANDARD OF CARE, UM, BUT STILL REMAINS VACANT. UH, WE HAVE THAT FEE WAIVER BECAUSE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UH, THAT MEETS THE STANDARD OF CARE IS, UH, STILL, UH, REQUIRED TO REMAIN WITHIN OUR PROGRAM INVENTORY. UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES THAT MEET THE MAINTENANCE STANDARD OF CARE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY EXEMPT FROM OUR PROGRAM. SO IN THE REGULAR PROCESS OF BUYING AND SELLING HOMES, IF I MOVED OUT OF MY HOUSE, IF IT WAS IN THE PROGRAM AREA, MY PROPERTY WOULDN'T EVEN RECEIVE A NOTICE LETTER BECAUSE IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE. UM, AND SO IF A PROPERTY OWNER HAS COME, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY OWNER HAS BEEN ADDED TO OUR INVENTORY AND THEN IMPROVES THEIR PROPERTY, UH, THEN WE CAN REMOVE IT FROM OUR INVENTORY, EVEN IF IT IS STILL, UH, VACANT BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY IN GOOD REPAIR. AND OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT OUR REGISTRATION FEES ON THE SCREEN. UM, FOR SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES, IT'S, UH, TWO 50, AND FOR NONS SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTIES, IT'S SEVEN 50. AND THEN FOR, UH, BOTH TYPES, THERE'S AN INSPECTION FEE. UH, IT'S A MINIMUM OF $50, AND THEN IT GOES UP, UH, 1 CENT PER SQUARE FOOT. SO GIVEN THE AREA THAT OUR, OUR PROGRAM AREA IS IN, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE ONE NOW, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES THAT, UM, ARE ABOVE 5,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THEY'RE ALWAYS AT 300 IS THEIR, THE TOTAL REGISTRATION FEE. AND THEN FOR NON SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES, WE HAVE PLENTY THAT ARE ABOVE THE 800, THE SEVEN 50 PLUS 50, BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM ARE ABOVE FIVE, 5,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, WE CAN, UM, OH, ACTUALLY, SO ON THIS SLIDE WE HAVE THIS LITTLE, UH, PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT IN OUR ACTIVE CURRENT INVENTORY, ONLY ABOUT 20% OF THE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN DEEMED TO NEED A FULL RENOVATION. UM, AND THAT IS, UM, A VALUE JUDGMENT, UH, MADE BY OUR STAFF AS WE'RE OBSERVING THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S NOT AN EXACT THING, BUT UM, IT'S JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY PROPERTY THAT WE WORK ON IS ABOUT TO FALL OVER, IS NOT IN THE WORST CONDITION EVER. UM, BUT ANY PROPERTY, UM, IN ALMOST ANY CONDITION, UH, THAT'S VACANT, CAN HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT. SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, OUR PROGRAM HAS A BROADER IMPACT THAN, THAN SOME PEOPLE TEND TO THINK WHEN THEY HEAR FIRST HEAR ABOUT IT. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO OUR PROGRAM, UM, AS I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S NOT JUST IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UH, WE COVER 112 SQUARE MILES OF SAN ANTONIO, SO IT'S ABOUT 22% OF THE CITY, UH, AND IT COVERS 116 PARCELS OF LAND. UM, AND IF YOU RECALL, WE GO BACK TO THAT, UH, IN THAT, UH, SECOND SLIDE, THERE'S ONLY FIVE OF US, UM, AND, UH, FOUR OF US LIKE OUT, OUT IN THE FIELD. UH, SO IT'S A LOT OF AREA FOR US TO COVER, UM, WITH OUR FOUR LITTLE BODIES. UM, SO OUR, UH, PROGRAM AREA, WHEN IT FIRST BEGAN IN 2015, WE COVERED THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND WE HAD A HALF MILE BUFFER AROUND ACTIVE MILITARY BASES. UM, AFTER OUR SUCCESSFUL PILOT PROGRAM, OUR PROGRAM EXPANDED AT THE BEGINNING OF 2017, [02:25:02] AND THEN IT INCLUDED A, WE ADDED A HALF MILE BUFFER AROUND A CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, A HALF MILE BUFFER AROUND, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS. WE ALSO ADDED NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICTS AND A HALF MILE BUFFER, AND WE ADDED, UH, CITY INITIATED TOURS PLUS A HALF MILE BUFFER AROUND THEM. SO THAT HELPS TO SUPPORT, UH, POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT ALREADY EXIST. AND IT CAPTURES A LOT OF THE AGING HOUSING STOCK WITHIN, UH, WITHIN THE CITY. AND ALSO, WHICH I FORGOT TO MENTION, UH, HISTORIC LANDMARKS, UH, WHEREVER THEY ARE WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WITHIN OUR, UH, PROGRAM AREA. SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO HOW DO WE IDENTIFY, UH, VACANT PROPERTIES? UH, WE DO IT THROUGH SEVERAL METHODS. UH, WE DO PROACTIVE SURVEYING. UH, DEREK, OUR, UH, VACANT BUILDING SPECIALIST, UM, SPENDS, UH, ABOUT 40% OF HIS TIME, UH, WITHIN 2020, UH, OUT IN THE FIELD DOING, UH, A DETAILED SURVEY, UM, WHERE HE COVERED ABOUT 6 6500 PARCELS, WHICH IS ONLY A SMALL FRACTION OF OUR TOTAL PROGRAM AREA. UM, THE OTHER THREE CASE MANAGERS, WHEN WE GO OUT, UH, WHEN WE'RE FOLLOWING UP ON ACTIVITY ON PROPERTIES AND, UM, DOING INSPECTIONS, WE ALSO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR VACANT PROPERTIES OR PROPERTIES THAT GATHER, CATCH OUR ATTENTION AND WE'LL, UH, ADD THOSE TO THE INVENTORY AS WE WE FIND THEM. UM, WE ALSO DO RELY ON CITIZEN REPORTS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UM, AND OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS. UH, WE GET, UH, A LOT OF, UM, REPORTS FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY, UM, HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE OUT IN THE FIELD THAN WE DO. AND, UH, IF THEY ENCOUNTER VACANT PROPERTY, UM, THEY DO, UH, TEND TO LET US KNOW AND FIND OUT IF IT'S ONE THAT WE'RE ALREADY AWARE OF. UM, SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOCUS ON AS FAR AS, UM, THE CONDITION OF A PROPERTY, UM, WE, OUR, OUR MAINTENANCE STANDARD OF CARE, UH, DOES PARALLEL A GOOD NUMBER OF THE PROPERTY CONDITION REQUIREMENTS AND THE S A P M C, UM, WE DO FOCUS MORE ON PAINT THAN CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES, BECAUSE A LACK OF PROTECTIVE TREATMENT COULD LEAD TO ROTTING WOOD AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FURTHER BAD THINGS. UM, UNDER OUR PROGRAM, UH, PLYWOOD CAN ONLY BE USED AS A TEMPORARY SECURING MEASURE. UM, BUT WE DO WORK WITH PROPERTY AS OWNERS ON THAT. IF THEY ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY WANNA KEEP THE PLYWOOD UP IN ORDER TO TRY AND KEEP THE PROPERTY SECURE WHILE, UM, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, ONCE THE PLYWOOD COMES DOWN, UH, AND THE REST OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN REPAIRED AT THAT POINT, THEN IT MEETS OUR MAINTENANCE STANDARD OF CARE. UM, BUT SO EVEN IF A PROPERTY IS IN PERFECT SHAPE, BUT THE WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE BOARDED, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ADDED TO OUR PROGRAM INVENTORY BECAUSE, UM, PLYWOOD, UH, IS BASICALLY WHAT THEY CALL, YOU KNOW, AN AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE, UH, CAN SEE INSTANTLY THAT'S NOT A PROPERTY THAT SOMEONE'S IN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET INTO IT, UH, EASILY. AND SO IT CAN ATTRACT NEGATIVE ATTENTION. UH, SO WHEN OUR CASE MANAGERS COMMUNICATE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, WE DON'T DICTATE, UH, HOW LONG IT SHOULD TAKE FOR THEM TO REPAIR A PROPERTY. UM, OUR, UH, ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE, UH, OWNERS SHOULD, UH, SUPPLY, UH, TIMEFRAME THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME, UH, AND REASONABLE OF COURSE, UH, IS COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE. UM, SO WE KNOW THAT, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO TALK TO A PROPERTY OWNER AND KIND OF GET A FEEL OF WHAT THEIR SITUATION IS, UM, WE KNOW THAT A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS TRYING TO SAVE UP FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL THING THAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE PROPERTY IS GONNA TAKE LONGER THAN SOMEONE WHO'S WORKING WITH A CONSTRUCTION LOAN AND CAN DO A PROJECT IN, YOU KNOW, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS. UM, BUT FOR US, AS LONG AS A PROPERTY OWNER IS MAKING FORWARD PROGRESS, THAT IS AS GOOD AS COMPLIANCE FOR US, WE ARE, UH, WE'RE NOT MAD AT THAT. YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT THEM TO KEEP WORKING AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD, UM, TO THAT GOAL OF HAVING A PROPERTY BACK IN GOOD REPAIR AND, UH, BEING REOCCUPIED. AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR EXAMPLE PROPERTIES. UM, THIS IS IN, UH, DIGNITY HILL. UM, IT WAS A, UH, TROUBLED PROPERTY FOR SOME TIME BEFORE IT WAS ACTUALLY ADDED TO OUR PROGRAM INVENTORY BECAUSE IT WAS, AS FAR AS OUR RESEARCH SHOWED, IT WAS OCCUPIED, BUT IT TURNS OUT IT WAS OCCUPIED BY SOMEONE WHO WAS DOING BAD ACTS. AND SO, UH, CODE AND S SA, S A P D WORKED TOGETHER TO REMOVE THAT PERSON THAT WAS CONDUCTING, UH, ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. UH, AND THEN IT WAS PURCHASED BY THE CURRENT, UH, [02:30:01] PROPERTY OWNER IN LATE, UH, 2018, AND THEN HAS BEEN COMPLETELY RENOVATED SINCE THEN AND IS NOW LISTED FOR SALE. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRY TO DO FOR PROPERTY OWNERS FOR LIKE A SITUATION LIKE THIS, UM, WITH OUR HOLISTIC APPROACH IS WE TRY TO DO, UH, MARKETING ASSISTANCE. SO THIS PROPERTY WE POSTED ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS TO KIND OF HELP BOOST THE SIGNAL OF THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY WAS, WAS LISTED FOR SALE. UM, AND SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY THAT WE TRY TO KIND OF PROVIDE, UM, A SERVICE TO, TO OUR PROPERTY OWNERS AS WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM. UH, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW WE WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, THIS PROPERTY, UH, IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A PROPERTY THAT'S NOT IN THE WORST CONDITION BY FAR, UM, BUT IT'S IN A HIGHLY VISIBLE PART OF, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A VERY INVOLVED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, ALTA VISTA. UM, THIS PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF OUR STAFF BY, UM, THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD DUR DURING A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING. UM, IT WAS, UH, NEGLECTED BY THE FORMER OWNER. UM, THERE WAS SQUATTING THAT HAD BEEN TAKING PLACE IN THE PROPERTY. UM, SO THE CASE MANAGER OF THIS PROPERTY WORKS WITH, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, THE PD SAFE OFFICERS, UM, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES TO WORK TO GET THE PROPERTY SAFE AND SECURE. UM, EVENTUALLY THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP CHANGE AND THE NEW OWNER IS WORKING WITH OUR OFFICE ON, UM, REPAIRING THE PROPERTY. AND IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY UNDER RENOVATION AND IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, UH, IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE COMPLETED, UM, BY SPRING OF NEXT YEAR. AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO OUR LAST EXAMPLE IS THE HEDGER BUILDING. UM, IT IS A, UH, A PROPERTY THAT, YOU KNOW, HAD A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF VISIBILITY, UH, IN DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. UH, WHEN IT FIRST OPENED IN 1928, IT WAS ACTUALLY KNOWN AS THE SAN ANTONIO REAL ESTATE BUILDING. UM, AND THEN THE LOVELY UGLY ALUMINUM PANELS WERE ADDED TO THE PROPERTY IN, UH, THE 1960S BY AN ARCHITECT WHO ACTUALLY WON AN AWARD FOR MODERNIZATION. UM, 'CAUSE HE ALSO ADDED AIR CONDITIONING AND ADDED ELEVATORS, AND THEN PUT THESE TERRIBLE ALUMINUM PANELS ON THE BUILDING, UM, AFTER THAT PREVIOUS OWNER, UH, PASSED AWAY. AND, UM, IT CHANGED HANDS A FEW TIMES. IT WAS THREATENED WITH DEMOLITION A FEW TIMES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE EIGHTIES AND THE NINETIES. UM, IT, UH, IT HAD ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN VACANT SINCE 1986. UM, AND THE CURRENT OWNER, UH, PURCHASED IT IN THE 1990S. UM, AND HE HAD NO REAL PLANS FOR DOING ANYTHING WITH IT. UM, HE HAD BEEN APPROACHED MULTIPLE TIMES AND, UM, HAD STATED, UH, TO A REPORTER HERE IN TOWN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IN HIS, HIS HOME COUNTRY, SOMETIMES PROPERTIES ARE, ARE VACANT FOR GENERATIONS. AND HE JUST DIDN'T FEEL ANY SENSE OF URGENCY. UM, AND SO ENTER OUR PROGRAM IN 2015, AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AT THE TOP OF THE LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS, UM, THE DEVELOPER THAT STARTED WORKING WITH THE OWNER, AND NOW I BELIEVE HE'S PART OWNER AS WELL. UM, HE, UH, STARTED WORKING ON A PLAN, UM, TOWARDS THE END OF 2016. AND THEN WORK BEGAN IN 2017. AND, UM, SO BY EARLY 2021, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 35 YEARS AFTER IT FIRST BECAME VACANT, UM, THE NEWLY NAMED FLATS ON ST. MARY'S WILL OPEN AS AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. UM, AND WE'LL HAVE RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR. UM, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AND SO, JUST TO KIND OF RECAP A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED, I MENTIONED TODAY THAT THE GOALS OF OUR PROGRAM, UH, IS TO ENCOURAGE REPAIR AND PRODUCTIVE USE. UM, OUR PROGRAM AREAS ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE CITY, UM, WE DO EXIST IN MORE THAN JUST HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND FOR US, FOR OUR PROGRAM, IF AN OWNER IS MAKING FORWARD, STEADY PROGRESS, UM, WE ARE HAPPY WITH THAT. AND, UM, IT IS, AND IT, AND IT WORKS FOR US. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE CAN GO TO OUR LAST SLIDE. AND, AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS, UH, FOR TODAY. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. YEAH. YES. ANITA. JESSE ZONA. HELLO? YES, GO AHEAD, JESSE. HELLO? YES, GO AHEAD, JESSE. OKAY. YEAH, ANITA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THE LAST BUILDING BRINGS ME MEMORIES. I WAS WITH SAN ANTONIO HOUSING. UH, OKAY. YEAH. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PROGRAM, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING. APPRECIATE IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETIMES A DROP OFF HERE [02:35:01] THAT ALL THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE, YOU BRING THEM TO US, NOT YOU, BUT THE CITY, THEY BRING THEM TO US. AND THEN FOR THE REPAIRS AND THE REMODELING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SEND THEM OVER BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING, UH, MONIES, ET CETERA. THERE'S NO MONEY FOR THEM. AND ONCE YOU BRING SOME OF THIS, UH, THAT THE DEVELOPERS DON'T BUILD THIS A HOUSE, DEVELOPERS DON'T, UH, YOU KNOW, HANDLE THEM AND BUY 'EM, WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY COME TO THE BOARD. OKAY? I'M NOT, I'M NOT HITTING ON THEM. I'M JUST SAYING THEY COME TO OUR BOARD AND THEIR INHERITANCE, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT, THAT THE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA SELL AND KNOW TAXES, ET CETERA. WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE REMODEL THEM AS YOU STAYED THERE, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. SOME OF THIS HOMES WERE TERRIFIC, BUT HE GO, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, ON THIS, ON ZONE THREE, OF COURSE, I'M GOING OVER THERE ABOUT FIVE O'CLOCK THIS EVENING. AND ZONE THREE, THERE'S NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE MONEY TO REMODEL THE WHOLE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, I SEE 'EM HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF MY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HERE OR THEY DON'T HAVE THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK OR, AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW, 1, 2, 3 YEARS, JUST LIKE THAT DARK HOUSE THAT WAS, THAT IS BEAUTIFUL NOW, OKAY. BUT I MEAN, THEY COME TO US AND, UH, THEY'RE VACANT, BUT LIKE YOU SAY, THEY'RE NOT VACANT. SOMEBODY'S LIVING THERE, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO FOR MONEY? YOU JUST, UH, SEND THEM, UH, SOMEWHERE ELSE OR FOR THEM TO REPAIR WHEN THE DEVELOPERS AND SOME OF THIS PROGRAMS DON'T PICK 'EM UP. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UH, IT, IT, IT ABSENTEE LANDOWNER MORE THAN, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY AT THE END OF THE ROAD THAT YOU SELECT THEM AND YOU GIVE 'EM SO MUCH AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CHARGE 'EM A FEE, WHICH THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE UNLESS, YOU KNOW, THEY SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH SOME OF THEM PEOPLE THAT WAS MONEY-WISE, FINANCES? HOW, HOW DO YOU HELP 'EM? WELL, SO IT IS TRUE THAT, UM, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT HELP PEOPLE WHEN IT'S NOT THE PROPERTY IN WHICH THEY LIVE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ARE FOCUSED ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNOCCUPIED. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROGRAMS WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT THAT HELP PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE LIVING WITH LOW INCOME, UH, TO HELP THEM REPAIR THEIR PROPERTIES. BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROPERTY THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU ACTUALLY LIVE, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SUPPORT, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, IF A PROPERTY OWNER IS, UM, DOES LIVE BELOW THE MEDIAN INCOME, WE HAVE A FEE WAIVER FOR THAT. SO THEY, EVEN IF THEY REGISTER WITHIN OUR PROGRAM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE REGISTRATION FEES. AND WE, YOU KNOW, CAN ENCOURAGE THEM. WE, I'VE HAD A, I HAD A PROPERTY OWNER IN PARTICULAR THAT I HAD A PROPERTY OWNER IN PARTICULAR THAT, UM, UH, WAS, UM, UH, BASICALLY GOT THEIR WHOLE FAMILY, UH, INVOLVED IN, IN PAINTING THIS HOUSE. UM, AND THEY JUST KIND OF DID IT LIKE A, LIKE A BARNSTORMING AND, AND THEY ALL WENT OUT LIKE OVER A WEEKEND AND, AND PAINTED THE PROPERTY. UM, AND SO IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION, UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN SOMEONE IS, UH, LIVING WITH LOW INCOME AND THEY HAVE A PROPERTY THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE INHERITED. UM, BUT IF THEY DO, UM, IF THEY DO FEEL LIKE THAT THEY HAVE NO RESOURCES AND NO SOLUTIONS, UM, THEN WE CAN SUPPORT THEM IF THEY DECIDE TO SELL THE PROPERTY IN THE FACT THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM A REGISTRATION EXTENSION, WHICH GIVES THEM TIME TO KIND OF KICK THE REGISTRATION CAN DOWN THE, DOWN THE ROAD. AND SO THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO REGISTER IN THE PROGRAM WHILE A PROPERTY'S BEING ACTIVE, ACTIVELY MARKETED FOR, UH, FOR SALE OR FOR LEASE. YEAH, BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD A LONG DAY HERE, BUT LET ME ASK YOU ONE OF MY LAST QUESTIONS HERE. CERTAINLY ON ZONE TWO, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES THERE, AND SOME OF THEM, UH, AND THEY'RE STILL WITH A BIG FIGHT RIGHT NOW ON GUADALUPE. AND, UH, THE THING IS, IS THEY CAN'T FIX 'EM AND THEY DON'T WANNA TEAR 'EM DOWN. AND, AND THEY, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, GETS THE SOLAR EYES ON THERE. SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT TO ME, THAT'S, LIKE I SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT AT THE END, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY. AND LOOK AT ZONE TWO, YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH THAT ME. AND SO, YOU KNOW, A SITUATION THAT'S THAT, UH, THAT THAT'S MY INTEREST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THESE PEOPLE, FOR INSTANCE, IN CITY COUNCIL FIRED? CITY COUNCIL WANT FOR MONEY? AND, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LIKE I SAY, I APPRECIATE IT THAT YOU CAME OVER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU [02:40:01] AGAIN, THIS IS EVELYN. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD HERE, AND I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION LOOKS, HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL. IT WAS VERY, VERY GOOD AND VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND PARTICIPATING. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, UH, INVITING US TO, TO JOIN ME TODAY. ABSOLUTELY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR HOSTS? UH, THIS IS ROBERT TAPIA. UM, I WOULD ONLY ENCOURAGE THE MONEY ISSUE. I WOULD ONLY ENCOURAGE TRYING TO GET SPONSORSHIP FROM CORPORATE AMERICA, UH, TO HELP OUT, BECAUSE THAT'S BOTTOM LINE. UH, PEOPLE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT MINDSET WHEN THEY PURCHASE A HOME OR A BUILDING THAT, THAT THINGS BREAK DOWN. THINGS HAVE TO GET PAINTED, REPAINTED, FIXED, UPDATED, AND THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE DISCRETIONARY INCOME TO ALLOW TO ALLOW THAT. THEY JUST DON'T, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT. THAT'S WHY THINGS JUST GET UGLIER AND UGLIER AND BECOME A PUBLIC NUISANCE. THEY DON'T CARE. IT'S MONEY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ONE, NOR DO THEY, EVEN IF THEY HAD IT, THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT. SO YOU'VE GOT A TOUGH JOB IN FIXING THAT PHILOSOPHY OF MAINTENANCE WITH, WHETHER IT'S A HOME OR COMMERCIAL BUILDING. AND YOU GOTTA GET HELP FROM REAL ESTATE AGENTS, BANKS TO UNDERSTAND THE LIFECYCLE OF A BUILDING OR A HOME THAT REQUIRES MAINTENANCE, UPKEEP, UPDATING FOR THE SAFETY. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT FOR THE SAFETY, NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. I I'M STILL AT THE SAFETY LEVEL. I DON'T WANT A ROOF FALLING DOWN. I DON'T WANT PLUMBING TO GO BAD. AND IT BECOMES A PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE TO FIX IT THEN. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. I, I DEFINITELY, I DEFINITELY HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. WE, IN, IN, UH, THE NOW SIX YEARS THAT THE PROGRAM'S BEEN AROUND, WE'VE TALKED TO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT KIND OF COME FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PATHS TO GET TO WHERE THEY ARE. THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO BUY PROPERTIES AND HOLD THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SPECULATING AND THEY THINK THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, GET A MILLION DOLLARS FOR, UH, THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY BOUGHT. AND THEN THEY, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT LETTING IT CONTINUE TO DEGRADE IS ACTUALLY DIMINISHING THAT ASSET THAT THEY WANT TO GET MORE FOR IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND THERE OF COURSE, ARE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO, UM, JUST DON'T HAVE THE, THE AVAILABLE INCOME TO ACTUALLY REPAIR THE PROPERTIES, UM, TO, UH, TO A LIVABLE STANDARD. AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE, OF PEOPLE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, ONES THAT, UM, DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE TO. UM, AND SOMETIMES THOSE PEOPLE, UH, WILL, THEY'LL MAKE THEIR OPINIONS KNOWN TO US THAT THEY INTEND TO DO NOTHING. UM, AND IF IT'S A CASE WHERE THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, THEN WE DO, UM, WE DO MAKE OUR WAY TO MUNICIPAL COURT, UM, WITH THOSE CASES. DEFINITELY. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR MS. HENNY? WELL, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. YOU'VE GIVEN US, UH, SOME INSIGHT ON WHAT THE CITY IS DOING WITH THE, UM, VACANT BUILDINGS, AND WE APPRECIATE IT HAVING ME. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU, MS. HENNING. OKAY, THIS IS JUDY. WE'D LIKE TO JUMP BACK TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER 10, DEPUTY DIRECTOR'S REPORT. OKAY, JUDY, DO WE HAVE A NINE SELECTION OF BOARD CHAIR, VICE CHAIR? WE'RE GONNA TO NUMBER 10 REALLY QUICKLY, AND THEN WE'LL JUMP BACK. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THIS IS AMIN THOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY, PERFECT. SO I GUESS FIRST, BEFORE WE START GOING THROUGH THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES, I JUST WANNA PERSONALLY THANK EACH ONE OF YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND CONTRIBUTION AND ATTENDANCE ON THIS BOARD. IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BOARD THAT WE, [02:45:01] WE HAVE AND WE WANNA MAINTAIN, UH, THE, THE, THE OUTCOME BASICALLY. UH, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. NOW, IN REGARDS TO CODE ENFORCEMENT PERFORMANCE MEASURES, UM, OUR GOAL IS 65% OF THE CASES WE CREATE FOR TIER ONE, ONE AND TWO NEED TO BE, UH, I'M SORRY, 65% OF THOSE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE. THIS YEAR, WE ARE ACTUALLY AT 73%. SO WE ARE HIGHER THAN THE REQUIREMENT. TIER ONE RESPONSE SHOULD BE BETWEEN ONE TO TWO DAYS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE AT 2.5 DAYS, AND THAT IS DUE TO A LOT OF FACTORS. BASICALLY, ONE FACTOR IS WE PULLED A LOT OF CODE OFFICERS FROM THEIR NORMAL DUTIES TO GO AND ENFORCE THE MAYOR'S DECLARATION, EMERGENCY DECLARATION, LIKE SOCIAL DISTANCING, FACE COVERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WITH, WITH THE ECONOMY THAT, YOU KNOW, WENT DOWN, WE ARE PUTTING ANY VACANT POSITION ON HOLD, LIKE THE WHOLE CITY'S DOING THAT, NOT JUST DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO WE CAN'T FILL THE POSITIONS THAT THEY'RE VACANT, AND WE STILL HAVE SOME TEAM MEMBERS ON THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION ENFORCEMENT. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE KIND OF SPREADING THE, THE WORK. AND SOME GUYS OR GALS WHO HAVE A CERTAIN AREA TO NORMALLY MONITOR ON DAILY BASIS, WE ASKED THEM TO DO THEIR PORTION AND THEN GO DO SOMETHING ELSE IN DIFFERENT AREA. SO WE, WE, WE COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH, UH, LESS THAN TWO DAYS. TIER TWO RESPONSE TIME NEEDS TO BE BETWEEN TWO TO THREE DAYS. WE ARE AT 2.6, WHICH IS GOOD. OUR COMPLIANCE RATE NORMALLY IS 90% WITHIN 45 DAYS. SO WITHIN 45 DAYS, ANY CASE NEEDS TO BE, I GUESS, CLOSED OR RESOLVED OR, YOU KNOW, OR MAYBE TAKEN TO COURT OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. WE ARE AT 82%. AND AGAIN, THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE EDUCATION, I'M SORRY, WITH THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION TEAM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER. AND ON TOP OF THAT, DUE TO COVID, AND AGAIN, LOSS OF, UH, INCOME FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE CREATED SOMETHING, WE CALL IT EDUCATION FORM. SO INSTEAD OF WHEN WE FIND VIOLATION, LET, LET, LET'S TALK ABOUT TODAY'S PROCESS. IF I SEE A VIOLATION, I ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION AND TELL THE OWNER, YOU HAVE 10 DAYS TO CORRECT THIS ISSUE. WE COME BACK DAY 11 OR AFTER A FEW DAYS, AND THEN IF IT'S DONE, THEN WE CLOSE THE CASE AND AS COMPLIANT. IF IT'S NOT, THEN AT THAT POINT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ISSUE CITATION. SO NOW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE DID IS WE GAVE EVERYBODY, TECHNICALLY WE GAVE EVERYBODY 30 ADDITIONAL DAYS. SO TODAY'S PROCESS, OR FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS. NOW, WHEN WE FIND VIOLATION, WE GIVE THE OWNER 30 DAY EDUCATION DOOR HANGER. AND IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE, WE TALK TO THEM, WE EXPLAIN THE CODE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO COMPLY. SO THAT 30 DAY IS ALREADY GONNA PUT US AFTER THE 45 DAYS. I MEAN, NOW I HAVE 15 DAYS TO FINISH EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH, UH, ON TOP OF THE 30 DAYS I HAVE TO ISSUE. IF THE VIOLATION IS NOT CORRECTED, I HAVE TO ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION WITH 10 DAYS. SO NOW I'M AT 40 DAYS AS IS. SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE, WE COULDN'T MEET THE 90% COMPLIANCE RATE AT, AT THIS TIME OR THIS YEAR. UH, GRAFFITI SITES, OUR GOAL IS 50,000 SITES, AND WE DID 50 2070. SO WE EXCEEDED OUR GOAL. NOW, THE NUMBER OF CODE, UH, ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IS 102. SO THE OVERALL NUMBER IS STILL THE SAME. BUT AS I SAID, I DON'T HAVE 102 CODE OFFICERS TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE SOME VACANT POSITION, BUT THE POSITION STILL EXISTS. SO THE MINUTE THE ECONOMY TURNS AROUND, WE ARE HOPING THAT THE CITY MANAGER WILL DIRECT US TO START FILLING THOSE POSITIONS. NUMBER OF INSPECTIONS AND FY 2020 WAS OVER 247,000 INSPECTION. [02:50:01] AND THOSE INSPECTIONS ARE ACTUALLY DUE TO THE NUMBER OF CASES WE HAVE FOR TIER ONE AND TWO, WHICH IS OVER 84,000 CASES. SO NORMALLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN WITNESSING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IS EVERY CASE WE CREATE, IT'S ABOUT THREE INSPECTIONS TILL THAT CASE IS CLOSED. NOW, SOME OF THEM TAKE 10, 12, AND SOME OF THEM TAKE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE, UH, INSPECTION OR TWO INSPECTION. SO OUR AVERAGE IS NORMALLY AROUND THREE. AND YOU CAN SEE FROM ALL THE PREVIOUS USE, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME CONCEPT. SO, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE WHERE WE NEED TO BE A BASEMENT BY THE CITY. WE HAVE A BUDGET OF 1.78 MILLION, AND THAT COVERS THE VACANT LOT DANGEROUS PREMISES AND, AND, UH, DEMOLITION. WE, UH, WORKED ON 1,486 VACANT LOT, AND WE DID 1,226 DANGEROUS PREMISES AND DEMOLISHED 74 STRUCTURE. UM, THE ONLY NUMBER THAT AGAIN, WENT DOWN, I WOULD SAY TREMENDOUSLY, IF YOU WILL, UH, IS THE VACANT PLOT. AND AGAIN, THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE ARE GIVING THOSE 30 DAYS EXTENSIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WITH THE NUMBER OF, UH, VACANT LOTS THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN WHEN WE ARE ISSUING 30 DAY NOTICE. AND, UH, BUNCH OF MY CODE OFFICERS ARE DOING THAT EMERGENCY DECLARATION ENFORCEMENT. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS OR, OR ANYTHING? UH, THIS IS FRED ANS I HAVE A QUESTION ON, ON THE NUMBER OF CODE OFFICERS WE'RE PROS AT 102 IS YOU SAID THERE WAS A, UM, THAT THERE WAS A HIRING FREEZE RIGHT NOW? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. DID THAT ALSO PROJECT THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT YOU HAD PUT INTO THE BUDGET FOR FUTURE HIRING, UH, LAST YEAR BUDGET WHEN, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, LIKE IN SEPTEMBER, RIGHT? SEPTEMBER THIS YEAR, BASICALLY, UH, DUE TO COVID THAT ALREADY STARTED IT, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL MONEY, SO WE CANNOT ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. THAT'S WHY LAST YEAR'S, LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS ALREADY DONE TO WHERE YOU DID ASK FOR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. WERE THEY HIRED OR IS THAT PART OF THE NUMBER THAT WE, IS THAT THE 102, OR IS THERE STILL ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T HIRED AT THAT TIME? NO, IT'S, IT'S THE 102. WE DID NOT GET A, UH, TEAM MEMBERS LAST YEAR. OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL SHORT OFFICERS. WE, WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY USE MORE OFFICERS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE ARE SHORT, MAYBE NOW WE ARE A LITTLE BIT SHORT DUE TO AGAIN, THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION RIGHT. AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IS THAT ALSO PROJECTED INTO THE, THE FUTURE BUDGET, THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WE STILL SHORT AND THEN ADDITIONAL, OR IS THAT NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW? YEAH, THAT, THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED TECHNICALLY, UM, EARLY TO MID, UH, 2021. OKAY. UH, FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS AGAIN ON ECONOMY. IF THE ECONOMY'S STILL THE SAME, I DOUBT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET ADDITIONAL, UH, TEAM MEMBERS, BUT I'M HOPING THINGS TURN AROUND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. SO WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY, SO RIGHT NOW WE PROBABLY WILL LOOK AT, UH, A FEW MORE STRUCTURES BEING DE DELAYED ON, UM, PRESENT PRESENTATION MORE THAN THE AVERAGE TIME BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF OFFICERS IN THE FUTURE? UH, NO, BECAUSE THE CASES THAT WE BRING TO YOU NORMALLY, NORMALLY THEY'RE DONE BY A DP OFFICER. OKAY. AND SO WE STILL HAVE THOSE, UH, DP OFFICERS BASICALLY WORKING ON THESE CASES. NOW, THE NU THE NUMBER OF DEMOLITIONS, EVEN IF YOU GUYS GIVE AN ORDER 30 DAY ORDER FOR THE DEMOLITION, RIGHT NOW, THE STATE ACTUALLY RULED IT'S NOT CITY RULE. EVERYBODY WHO HAS A CASE AND THEY HAVE WHATEVER TIMEFRAME. SO IN OUR CASE, IT'S 30 DAYS A TIMEFRAME TO APPEAL THE DECISION. RIGHT NOW IT'S OPEN TILL DECEMBER 2ND. SO OFFICIALLY WE CANNOT DEMO ANYTHING BECAUSE THE ONLY TIME WE DEMO THE STRUCTURE IS AFTER THE APPEAL PERIOD EXPIRES. RIGHT. AND IN THIS CASE, UNTIL DECEMBER 2ND. SO WE HAVE SOME CASES ON HOLD RIGHT NOW, WE ARE WAITING TILL DECEMBER. I MEAN, UNLESS THEY EXTEND IT AGAIN. UH, BUT [02:55:01] IF, IF THEY DON'T EXTEND IT AT THAT TIME, WE, WE WILL START, UH, WORKING ON THOSE DEMOTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, YES, MR. SO LEMME ASK YOU, LEMME ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS HERE. AND SO W WE'RE NOT, UH, DEMOLISHING, UH, HUNDREDS OF H HOUSES DURING THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR WE, WE, I ONLY DEMOLISHED 74. OKAY. UH, AS I HEARD, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WERE DEMOLISHING HUNDREDS AND, UH, THAT'S NOT TRUE FOR ONE THING. AND, UH, UH, THE JOB, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ALL BEEN DOING, AND I KNOW YOU COMPLIMENTED OUR BOARD MEMBERS, AND SOME OF US BOARD MEMBERS DO FOUR, FOUR MILLIONS A MONTH, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S OUR, OUR DUTY FOR THE COMMUNITY. BUT I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS CORRECT WHEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ASK YOU, HEY, YOU ALREADY DEMOLISHED A HUNDRED AND YOU DIDN'T GIVE 'EM THIS, AND SOME OF 'EM WERE READY FOR THE CARE AND, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS FACETIOUS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TELLING YOU. BUT YOU KNOW, THE WORDS OUT THERE. SO THE THING IS THIS, LIKE I'VE BEEN TALKING TO, UH, MS. RAMIREZ, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET NOT ONLY FOR, FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY, BUT FOR OUR BOARD A SESSION STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING TO END OF ESPECIALLY THE, THE DEMOLISHED, HOW MANY DAYS WE GIVE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND, AND THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE TRYING TO FIND THEM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, AND, AND US TRYING TO GET THEM THAT, UH, HAVE A WILL, DISEASE, ET CETERA, THE MONEY PROBLEM. SO IT, IT, IT IS GOOD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING GOOD. IT'S JUST, AND I THINK, UH, THE FOLKS HAVE TO KNOW THERE HOW I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW WE AS BOARD MEMBERS CAN'T TALK TO THE PEOPLE OR GO GIVE SPEECHES THIS AND THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE THING IS THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING A GOOD JOB, A DAMN GOOD JOB, AND GOING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND SEEING THE BARS, YOU KNOW, I, ET CETERA. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING. I THINK YOU DIDN'T, UH, EXPLAIN WHAT THE, THAT THE CODE COMPLIANCE PEOPLE ARE DOING BESIDES GENERAL, I MEAN, HAVING THEM OUT HERE ON OTHER BUSINESSES. SO THAT'S ONE THING I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE OUT THERE AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVEN TICKETS, ET CETERA. AND SO, BUT I MEAN, LIKE I SAYING, Y'ALL ARE DOING A DAMN GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND YES, WHAT YOU SAID IS ACCURATE. I MEAN, OUR GOAL AND YOUR GOAL AS A, AS A BOARD MEMBER IS NOT TO DEMOLISH EVERY STRUCTURE OR A LOT OF STRUCTURE. OUR GOAL IS COMPLIANT. SO WE KEEP PUSHING TO GET THE OWNERS TO WORK ON THE DEFICIENCIES OR VIOLATIONS, AND WE TRY NOT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE RECOMMEND DEMOLITION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SOME STRUCTURES REACH THAT LEVEL, AND THAT'S WHAT WE BRING TO YOU GUYS. UH, AND THEN IN REGARDS TO THE E D E, THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT, THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION ENFORCEMENT TEAM. UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. TECHNICALLY, AS I SAID, WE PULL A BUNCH OF, UH, CODE OFFICERS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO SEVEN DAYS. SO WE, THAT TEAM WORKS, OR MULTIPLE TEAMS AND MULTIPLE SHIFTS THEN EVERY DAY, UH, IT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, SO WE ALWAYS HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE. AND AFTER WE LEAVE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT TAKES OVER TILL THE MORNING, AND THEN WE CONTINUE THE NEXT DAY. SO, I MEAN, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THE CODE OFFICERS I KNOW ARE DOING THE BARS AND THE SOCIAL GATHERING THING NOW, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMPLIANCE. AND, UH, WAS THAT GIVEN BY THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT OR BY THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE THAT THE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS COULD DO THIS? WELL, UH, I GUESS MAYBE I'LL TURN IT TO LEGAL TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE GOVERNOR HAS HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER, AND HE GAVE THE, I GUESS, THE PERMISSION TO THE CITY LEADER, WHICH IS A MA, OUR MAYOR NOW, UM, TO ENFORCE THIS. UM, THEN ON THEN AFTER THAT, THE MAYOR ACTUALLY ASKED US SPECIFICALLY A, YOU KNOW, I NEED CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND THERE IS OTHER DEPARTMENTS HELPING US. [03:00:01] AS I SAID, PD IS HELPING US, UH, PARKING ENFORCEMENT IS HELPING US A LITTLE BIT. IT'S SMALLER DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY HAVE FEW GUYS WORKING ON THIS. AND METRO HEALTH HAS A COUPLE OF GUYS WORKING ON, ON THIS AS WELL. BUT THE MAJORITY IS OUR TEAM. OKAY. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M SORRY. YES. THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT IS BECAUSE, UH, LAST NIGHT I WAS LISTENING TO THE NEWS AND, UH, THE RAINY DAY FUND HAS BILLIONS WITH A B OF MONEY IN THE RAINY DAY FUND. SO MY QUESTION IS, IF THEY ARE, IF THE CITY AND THE, AND THE STATE ARE USING, YOU KNOW, OUR CODE OFFICERS FOR MORE THAN WHAT IS DESIGNATED AS THEIR JOB RESPONSIBILITIES, DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNOR, UH, IS GOING TO, OR, OR COMMISSIONER'S COURT, UH, ARE GOING TO REIMBURSE YOU FOR THE MONEY THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR NORMAL JOBS SO THAT YOU CAN HIRE MORE PEOPLE? UM, I REALLY DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. UM, AT THE TIME BEING, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY COMING FROM, I GUESS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR, OR FROM THE STATE TO HELP US WITH THIS. UM, I DON'T KNOW AT ANY GIVEN TIME IF THAT COULD HAPPEN. IT COULD, LIKE, IT'S POSSIBLE. BUT, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, UPDATES OR INFORMATION RIGHT NOW. UM, ERIC, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES ON THAT OR DO YOU KNOW, ERIC, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE SPEAKING. I'M SORRY, THIS IS EVELYN. YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD PUT IN THE SUGGESTION BOX TO THE, UM, TO THE POWERS THAT BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A SOURCE OF FINANCE OR RESOURCES THAT YOU COULD USE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IT, SINCE THEY ARE, UH, THE ONES WHO WANTED THIS EXTRA SERVICES DONE WITHOUT ANY, ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE RESOURCES. GOT IT. NO, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL TAKE IT MY HIGHER UPS AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN, OKAY. WELL, IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S GET BACK TO WORK. NO, AGAIN, THERE IS NO QUESTIONS. THEN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I REALLY PERSONALLY THANK YOU GUYS FOR EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING. AND ACTUALLY ON BEHALF OF C S D, UH, TEAM MEMBERS AND MANAGEMENT, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO. AND, UH, HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND BE SAFE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING YOUR PRESENTATION. WE ENJOYED IT. YOU GAVE US A LOT TO FOCUS ON. AND, UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND DOING IT. YES, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. JUDY, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE STAFF UPDATE AND GO TO THE STRUCTURES PRESENTATION. OKAY. BEFORE WE DO THAT, COULD WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK HERE? SURE. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO NOW IT'S, UH, 1232, AND WE ARE JUST GONNA TAKE A LITTLE FIVE MINUTE, FIVE MINUTE BREAK, UH, BUILDINGS, BOARDS, WILL, WILL RECONVENE IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. RETURN? YES, MA'AM. MS. BROWN. HERE. MR. NELSON, PRESIDENT SUSAN. AGAIN. PRESENT. SUSAN. PRESENT. THANK YOU. MR. TAPIA. PRESENT. ANDREW? PRESENT. HARPER. PRESENT. PRESENT. MS. RODRIGUEZ? PRESENT. THANK YOU FOR MS. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. OKAY, GREAT. WE'RE RECONVENING. IT IS NOW, UH, 12:38 PM [03:05:01] WE'LL RECONVENE. AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. MS. UH, BROWN. MADAM, MADAM CHAIRMAN? UH, YES. MR. SUNGA, ARE WE GONNA SELECT THE BOARD CHAIRMAN AND, UH, AND THE VICE CHAIR TODAY? OH, WELL, YES, WE ARE. AS SOON AS, UH, AS SOON AS JUDY IS, UH, AVAILABLE TO DO THAT, WE WILL DO THAT. UH, BUT SHE, I THINK SHE WANTS, I THINK SHE WANTS TO GET THE, UH, PRESENTERS OUT OF THE WAY SO THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, UH, I GOTTA GO. UH, I WAS SUPPOSED TO 12, I TOLD JUDY, BUT NO, UH, ON THE BOARD CHAIRMAN. THE VICE CHAIRMAN. LEMME JUST LEAVE A NOTE. I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN FOR THE BOARD CHAIRMAN, LEMME JUST LEAVE A NOTE FOR YOU. THE BOARD CHAIR IN THE LAST YEAR, THIS IS FOR THE GENERAL AT MEETING TWO OR THREE TIMES, UH, HERE. OKAY. BUT THE ONE WE HAVE NOW, IT'S NOT FOR PANEL A O B. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU, BUT, UH, YEAH, AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS WE GET, AS SOON AS THIS, UH, THIS IS OPEN. I, I, I'M LEAVING RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT WHEN WE GOT, GO DOWN TO THE SELECTION OF BOARD CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, UH, WHEN SOME DEVELOPMENTS IS GOING ON, AND DISTRICT, UH, ONE FIVE AND SIX ONE, UH, SINCE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR THE GENERAL BOARD IF, UH, MICHAEL IS AVAILABLE. AND SINCE THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF ACTION OVER THERE RIGHT NOW WITH DEVELOPERS ON FIVE THAT HE BE ELECTED FOR CHAIR, NOT PANEL A O B, BUT FOR, AND THAT'S, UH, IF, IF MICHAEL WANTS IT, I HOPE HE GETS IT, SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. I'LL, I'LL BE WORKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON MY SIXTH HERE. OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. BROWN. MICHAEL, UH, I HOPE, I HOPE YOU COME UP TO THE TEST. THANK YOU, MS. BROWN, THIS IS JUDY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE SELECTION OF BOARD CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR NOW BEFORE MR. ZUNIGA LEAVES, THAT IS FINE. YEAH, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT JESSE WAS SAYING. WHAT WAS, OKAY? I HEARD HIM SAY HE WAS LEAVING, BUT YEAH, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. YES, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SELECTION OF BOARD CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. I BELIEVE HE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT BEFORE HE LEAVES THE MEETING. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR, PLEASE? FOR I THINK IT'S, UM, CHAIRMAN, CHAIR. CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. YES. FOR CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MICHAEL OR CHAIR YOU ACCEPT MICHAEL, OR I'M, I THINK IT'D BE EASIER FOR ME TO BE VICE CHAIR BECAUSE MY SCHEDULE IS GETTING HARD TO MEET, MAKE EVERY SINGLE MEETING, BUT I WOULDN'T MIND BEING VICE CHAIR IN THE EVENT THAT I NEED TO BE THE BACKUP FOR THE CHAIR. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR? I'LL GO WITH CHAIR. IT'S NOT CHAIR. IT'S THE CHAIR. OKAY. I'M SORRY, WHAT JESSE? I'LL, UH, I'LL GO FOR CHAIR FOR CHAIRMAN. YOU WANNA BE CHAIRMAN? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, EARN MY PAY. I, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT GETTING THIS. MS. MS. BROWN, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS HE NOMINATES HIMSELF. HE NOMINATES HIMSELF. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR? MS. BROWN, YOU NOMINATE YOU FOR, I'M SORRY, FRED, WHAT NOW? I'M NOMINATED YOU FOR, SORRY, ALREADY A, A CHAIR FOR PENALTY. B, EXCUSE ME. I'M, SHE'S ALREADY CHAIR FOR PENALTY B SHE'S ALSO THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD. SO SHE, SHE'S SHE'S UP FOR REELECTION. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. OKAY. AHEAD. HER FOR THE CHAIR. GO AHEAD. SO MS. BROWN, I'M NOMINATING YOU THE BOARD CHAIR, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE AGAINST. WELL, THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? WE HAVE TWO SO FAR. WE HAVE JESSE AND EVELYN, MR. ZUNIGA AND EVELYN, I BELIEVE. NO OTHER NOMINATIONS? I CAN, UH, I NOMINATE, UH, DWAYNE NELSON. OKAY, MR. NELSON. UH, I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW THE, [03:10:01] MY NOMINATION IF YOU DO NOT MIND, BECAUSE OF SOME OBLIGATIONS THAT I HAVE PICKED UP FROM A COMBINATION OF HOMELESS ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS THE 2022, UH, BOND ISSUES, UH, THAT I'LL BE SERVING IN DISTRICT NINE. SO I WITHDRAW MY NAME IF YOU DO NOT MIND. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TWO DOMINATIONS ON THE FLOOR. MS. BROWN. YES. I NOMINATE YOU. AND, UH, FULL NAME. I, I DON'T WANNA BE ON THE BOARD OR BE FIGHTING LIKE, UH, MR. SENATOR, BUT I MEAN, I DO WANT, UH, I DO WANT, UH, FOR MICHAEL VICE CHAIR. NO, YOU TAKE THE CHAIR BECAUSE I'LL BE ASKING A, I'LL BE ASKING A LOT FOR YOU DURING THIS, EITHER I'LL BE ASKING. SO KEEP YOUR EMAILS AND, AND READY. OKAY, JESSE, WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE CHAIR FIRST AND THEN WE'LL DO THE VICE CHAIRS. OKAY? NO, I, I DON'T WANNA CHAIR. OKAY. BUT YOU JUST, YOU JUST NOMINATED YOURSELF FOR CHAIR. NOW YOU'RE PULLING OUT, OKAY, WE WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE, UH, CHAIR, AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THE VICE. I WITHDRAW MY, I'LL WITHDRAW MY NAME. YOU ARE GONNA WITHDRAW YOUR NAME. YES. AND, AND PUT MR. ANDES FOR CHAIR. OKAY. CALL THE VOTE. ALL THE, LET'S VOTE. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE TWO NOMINATIONS ON THE FLOOR, I BELIEVE MR. ANDERS AND, UH, AND EVELYN BROWN. MS. BROWN, I HAVE A RIGHT TO, UH, REBUTTAL THAT I'M, I HAVE A RIGHT TO, TO REPEAT OR ACCEPT BEFORE IT GOES TO VOTE. OKAY. I'M DECLINING THE CHAIR. SO YOU'RE AN AUTOMATIC WINNER BY UNANIMOUS DECISION. OKAY. SO MR. CHAIR, I'LL MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THAT WE NOMINATE AND ELECT EVELYN BROWN, OR CHAIR BY UNANIMOUS. AND I SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU'ALL SO MUCH. I'M, I APPRECIATE THE, THE CONFIDENCE THAT Y'ALL HAVE IN ME. SO, UH, WE HAVE A NOMINATION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. UH, JUDY, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? BROWN? YOU DON'T NEED A ROLL CALL? OH, WELL IT'S UNANIMOUS. I'M SORRY. OH MY GOD. YEAH. IT'S UNCONTESTED. YEAH. OKAY. THIS IS UNANIMOUS. SO IT'S, UH, OKAY, MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO VICE CHAIR, VICE. WE HAVE TWO COMMITTEE, WE HAVE, UH, SECTION A AND SECTION B AND THE, UH, VICE CHAIRS RIGHT NOW FRED ANDERS FOR, I THINK IT'S A AND DWAYNE FOR B. NO, MA'AM. HOLD ON. YOU DON'T DO THE B YOU'RE DOING THE BOARD CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. YOU'RE NOT DOING THE PANEL CHAIR. THAT'S DONE AT THE PANEL MEETING. THAT'S CORRECT. I'M JUST, I'M YOU ALL THROWING ME OFF HERE. WE HAVE A VICE CHAIR POSITION AVAILABLE. IS THAT FOR THE BOARD HERE? STOP. STOP EVERYBODY. HOLD ON. OKAY. PLEASE. RIGHT NOW WHAT WE ARE HANDLING IS CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF THE WHOLE BOARD OF THE WHOLE BOARD. OKAY. ONCE WE PUT INTO PANELS, WE'LL LET THOSE PANELS HANDLE THE VICE CHAIR POSITIONS. BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, MS. BROWN, YOU'LL BE THE CHAIR OF ONE PANEL. THE VICE CHAIR WILL BE THE CHAIR OF THE OTHER, AND THEN WE'LL WORRY ABOUT THE VICE CHAIRS LATER. SO RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOING IS WE HAVE A CHAIR. WE HAVE A BOARD CHAIR, WHICH WOULD BE YOU. CONGRATULATIONS, MS. BROWN. NOW WE NEED A VICE CHAIR OF THE WHOLE BOARD, BUT I'M NOT CONFUSED. BROWN, MS. BROWN, WE NEED A NOMINATION. WE NEED A NOMINATION FOR THE VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD. AND RIGHT NOW I THINK THAT DWAYNE, DWAYNE IS THE CURRENT VICE CHAIR. WE NEED, UH, SOME, UH, DWAYNE, DO YOU WANT TO RUN AGAIN FOR, UH, WELL, I WILL NOMINATE DWAYNE AS THE VICE CHAIR. I WITHDRAW MY NAME ON VICE CHAIR ALSO, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE H O A A, OAK ALLIANCE, H O A AND THE 2022 BOND ISSUES, UH, ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN BOTH STREETS AND PARKS. AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHOLE LOT MORE TIME THAN EVEN THE BUILDING CENTERS BOARD. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE ELECT MICHAEL HARPER. UH, . UH, OKAY. MICAH? YEAH, I WOULD ACCEPT YOU HAVE BEEN NOMINATED FOR VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD. IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO? YEAH, I CAN DO THAT. OKAY. CAN DO. [03:15:01] SO WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, VOTE ON MICAH AS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD. I MOVE TO REMOVE MY ACCLIMATION AGAIN. WHAT? YES. IF, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER, UH, NOMINATIONS, OF COURSE HE, HE AND I VOTE WIN BY ACCLIMATION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER, OKAY, SO CONGRATULATIONS, MICAH. YOU ARE NOW, UM, VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, MS. BROWN. UH, I'LL GET YOUR NUMBER. I'LL GET YOUR NUMBER FROM JULIE. BUT, UH, WE GOT A, A MEETING, UH, SUNDAY AT THE CORONA, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A CALL AT ONE O'CLOCK SO IT LAST TO ABOUT FIVE, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE HOLLER AND SCREAM AND ALL THAT. SO AT, ANYWAY, UH, AT, AT ONE 30 VEHICLE CORONA, UH, AND, UH, WE, WE'LL SEE YOU THEN MS. BROWN FOR, UH, ARE WE, ARE, YOU DECIDED WHICH BOARD YOU WANT SO WE CAN START WORKING THAT OUT? I URGE THE BOARD TO ALLOW JUDY TO WORK THAT OUT. I PROMISE YOU SHE'LL HANDLE IT. SHE DOES A GREAT JOB OF DOING IT. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT SURE OF THE BOARD WE'RE GONNA BE ON. I MEAN, NOT THE BOARD, THE PANEL, RIGHT. THE, WE'LL LET, WE'LL LET JUDY HANDLE THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. OKAY. SO, JUDY, DID YOU MAKE NOTES THAT, UH, THAT I WILL BE THE, THE CHAIR AND MICHAEL WILL BE THE VICE CHAIR OF THE BOARD? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUES WITH THE PANEL SINCE THIS GROUND. YOU'RE ON PANEL B AND MR. HARPER DOES IT ON PANEL A. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO FIRE DAMAGE STRUCTURES. THANK YOU. THANK, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S JASON GRAY. I'M THE CHIEF COMMERCIAL BUILDING INSPECTOR. UH, CURRENTLY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OFFERS, UH, TWO SERVICES. ONE IS FIRE DAMAGE STRUCTURES. SO ANYTIME THERE'S A FIRE, UH, WE WILL GO OUT TO THE STRUCTURE AND DETERMINE WHAT PERMITS THEY WILL NEED. UH, IT'S A FREE ASSESSMENT. WE TYPICALLY GET THESE DONE WITHIN THREE DAYS SO THAT THE CUSTOMER CAN START PULLING PERMITS TO DO REMODELS. UH, THE OTHER SERVICE MY DEPARTMENT OFFERS IS THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION COVERAGE. UM, SOMEONE IS ON CALL 24 HOURS A DAY TO RESPOND TO STRUCTURES THAT MAY BE DEEMED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR BY THE DANGEROUS PREMISE CODE OFFICERS AS POTENTIAL HAZARDS. UH, THIS PICTURE HERE IS ONE THAT A CAR DROVE THROUGH THE FRONT CORNER AND IT DOESN'T LOOK TO BE THAT THERE'S MUCH DAMAGE TO IT, BUT ONCE YOU GO INSIDE AND REALIZE IT'S AN OPEN FLOOR PLAN, UH, ALL THE BEARING POINTS ARE COMING DOWN ON THAT FRONT CORNER. AND THAT WALL WAS DISPLACED AT THE BASE ABOUT THREE FEET. UH, SO THIS WAS ONE STRUCTURE THAT WE WERE EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE IF THAT CORNER FALLS IN, THE ROOFS FALL IN THE WALLS TEND TO KICK OUTWARDS, AND THEN THE DAMAGE WOULD GO TO A NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE. UH, NEXT PICTURE PLEASE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LENTIL IS ONLY BEING REALLY HELD ON THERE BY ABOUT A FOOT TALL WORTH OF BRICK AND THE ROOF STRUCTURE THAT'S ON TOP OF THAT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE CONCERNING FACTORS ON, ON THIS PICTURE. NEXT PICTURE. AND THIS IS A GOOD PICTURE TO SHOW HOW FAR THAT THAT WALL WAS AT THIS PLACE. UH, CURRENTLY IT'S BASICALLY JUST THE DEBRIS RIGHT THERE THAT'S HOLDING THAT CORNER, WHICH IS KIND OF HOLDING THE WHOLE HOUSE TOGETHER. UH, ONCE YOU SAW THE, THE, AGAIN, THE OPEN FLOOR PLAN ON THE INSIDE, NEXT PICTURE, THIS IS A SEPARATE STRUCTURE. UH, A A CONTRACTOR HAD HAD ATTEMPTED TO, UM, REMODEL THE HOUSE AND IN DOING SO, THEY ADDED ON A COUPLE ITEMS. AND IN REMODELING THEY TOOK DOWN TOO MUCH, UH, OF THE BRACING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WALL, AND IT MADE THE STRUCTURE SEVERELY UNSTABLE. AND, UH, NEXT PICTURE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE TWO BY FOUR THAT IS PROPPED UP IN THE EAVE THERE OR IN IS REALLY ALL THAT WAS HOLDING THAT STRUCTURE FROM FALLING OVER AND, AND HITTING THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE. NEXT PICTURE, THERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SAME TWO BY FOUR THAT'S, THAT'S HOLDING THIS STRUCTURE. AND IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY, SOME OF THE, UH, UH, GO BACK ONE PLEASE. IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE CONCRETE PIERS IN THE BOTTOM, YOU ALSO SEE THAT THOSE WERE SHAVED DOWN BECAUSE WHEN THEY WERE POURED, UH, IN THEIR CYLINDER TO GIVE THE PROPER REBAR COVERAGE, UH, THEY EXTENDED OUT PAST THE HOUSE, BUT THE CONTRACTOR SHAVED THOSE DOWN. SO MULTIPLE ITEMS ON THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE, UH, WORKED TOGETHER TO MAKE IT VERY UNSTABLE. OKAY, NEXT PICTURE. AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE STUDS ON THE INSIDE ARE RACKING SEVERELY. UH, THEY TRIED TO PUT A BOARD ACROSS THEIR HORIZONTALLY [03:20:01] TO STABILIZE IT, BUT IT DIDN'T, UH, DIDN'T DO THE JOB. THIS IS ANOTHER STRUCTURE THAT DID HAVE A FIRE DAMAGE. UH, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH STRUCTURAL, UH, DAMAGE TO THIS HOUSE TO MAKE IT DEEMED AS, UH, AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. UH, IT, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF REPAIRS, THEMES ON WHETHER CODE DECIDES WHETHER IT IS A DEMOLITION OR NOT. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE DECIDED ON THIS HOUSE THAT IT WAS NOT AN EMERGENCY. GO AHEAD. SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE FIRE DAMAGE HAPPENED IN THE EAVE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, OF COURSE ON THE INSIDE. BUT ONCE WE DID A, AN EXTENSIVE, UH, REVIEW OF THE STRUCTURE, WE, WE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS NOT AN EMERGENCY AND THAT IT PROBABLY COULD BE REPAIRED. THERE'S A BACK VIEW OF THIS PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE. IT DOESN'T LOOK PRETTY THERE, BUT THERE ARE SOME SOLID STUD STUDS BEHIND THAT, THAT WERE HOLDING IT UP. MOST OF THE DAMAGE WAS TO THE, UH, TO THE EXTERIOR, UH, SIDING. SO BASICALLY THAT, THAT WAS, UH, SOME OF THE, THE PICTURES OF WHAT WE DO. UM, ON THESE EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS. I GET A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEONE THAT'S EITHER A FIREMAN OR LIKE A, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE UH, DANGEROUS PREMISE CODE OFFICER TO RESPOND, TO ASSESS THE STRUCTURE TO SEE IF IT NEEDS AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, WHAT THE SURROUNDINGS ARE, WHETHER THEY'RE SCHOOLS, BUS STOPS, HOW CLOSE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ARE. UH, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE AN ASSESSMENT, UH, DEPENDING ON WHETHER THE, THE LIFE AND SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC IS IN, IN DANGER, UH, TO DETERMINE WHETHER THESE HAVE TO BE DEMOLISHED. ONCE, UH, MY ASSESSMENT IS PASSED ALONG TO THE, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OR THE DIRECTOR, THEY MAKE THEIR CALL ON WHETHER, UH, TO SIGN THE AFFIDAVIT THAT IT IS AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION IN WHICH CASE CODE AND MYSELF SOMETIMES WILL CONTACT THE, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY DO HAVE 96 HOURS TO APPEAL. SO EVEN IF WE GIVE THE DEMOLITION, THEY STILL HAVE 96 HOURS TO, UH, APPEAL. AND WE'VE EVEN HAD A LOT THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM. THEY'VE GOTTEN ENGINEERS, THEY'VE DONE EMERGENCY REPAIRS, AND, AND I PERSONALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. UH, I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY THAT THE RULES AND THE STRUCTURE IS. SO I TRY AND GO BY THE, THE U D C ON THAT. UH, THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAD. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, MR. DWAYNE NELSON, THE NINE SIX HOURS THAT YOU HAVE, IS THAT CLOCK HOURS OR IS THAT WORKING HOURS? UH, IT'S, IT'S CLOCK HOURS. SO IF IT'S SIGNED SATURDAY MORNING, THEY'VE GOT 96 HOURS FROM THAT TIME. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, MR. GRAY. YEP. I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UM, FIRE DAMAGE STRUCTURES ON THIS BOARD AND SOME OF THEM ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. AND I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHAT DO YOU ALL USE TO DETERMINE? 'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN SOME THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION DEMOLITIONS, AND YET THEY'RE STANDING AND WAITING FOR US TO MAKE A DETERMINATION TO TEAR IT DOWN. SO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU USE AS YOUR CRITERIA IN ORDER TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN SO THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO US AND THEN WE TEAR IT DOWN? THE MAIN ITEM IS, UH, THE DANGER TO THE, THE PUBLIC. IF THERE'S A, A BUILDING THAT IS, UH, COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY A FENCE THAT DOESN'T POSE A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC, WE MAY NOT DECLARE AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. UH, IF IT'S GONNA COLLAPSE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THE PUBLIC, THEN WE MAY NOT DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. IF THERE IS POTENTIAL THAT IT'S GONNA COLLAPSE ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, UH, I PRESENT MY ASSESSMENT THAT IN MY OPINION, IT'S A, AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. I PRESENT MY CASE TO MR. TOMA AND MR. SHANNON AND THEN LET THEM MAKE THE CALL, UH, FROM THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MR. GRAY? NO OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. [03:25:03] GOOD AFTERNOON. BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS ALICE GUO, I'M A SUPERVISOR FOR WEST CENTRAL AREA DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND I'M ALSO THE ON CALL SUPERVISOR FOR AFTER HOUR EMERGENCY. I'LL BE PRESENTING, UM, OUR EMERGENCY DEMOLITION PROCESS TO YOU. THESE ARE DUTIES THAT ARE PERFORM PROCESS BY THE DANGEROUS PREMISES OFFICER WITHIN THE CITY. OKAY, CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION SIX DASH 1 75 1, EMERGENCY DEMOLITION WHERE IT APPEARS TO THE FIRE CHIEF OR DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR THEIR DESIGNEE THAT DUE TO THE STRUCTURAL DEFECTS OR CONDITIONS ARISING FROM, BUT NOT LIMITED TO FIRE, ACCIDENT, WATER DAMAGE, VANDALISM, OR OTHER SUDDEN ACT OR OCCURRENCE, THEREBY THREATENING THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF A BUILDING, THERE IS A CLEAR OR OCCURRENCE, THEREBY, I'M SORRY, INTEGRITY OF A BUILDING THERE IS CLEAR AND IMMINENT DANGER TO THE LIVE SAFETY OR PROPERTY OF ANY PERSONS UNLESS THE BUILDING IS IMMEDIATELY DEMOLISHED. EITHER OF THESE OFFICIALS SHALL DECLARE ITS IMMEDIATE VACATION AND DEMOLITION. THE CONCURRENCE OF THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SHALL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO EXECUTION OF THE DEMOLITION ORDER. SUCH OCCURRENCE SHALL INCLUDE A DETERMINATION THAT UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES NO OTHER ABATEMENT PROCEDURE IS REASONABLY AVAILABLE EXCEPT DEMOLITION SLIDE. THIS IS A FLOW CHART ATTACHED TO OUR PROCESS OF HOW WE DETERMINE THE STEPS TAKEN BEFORE DEMOLITION IS, IS CONDUCTED AN ASSIGNMENT OF AN OFFICER TO INVESTIGATE THE STRUCTURE IS, IS MADE, WHICH IS DURING A, UH, AFTER A CALL IS MADE FROM EITHER FIRE DISPATCH OR A FIRE CHIEF NOTIFYING OF THE FIRE AT A LOCATION. IT COULD BE AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY, AFTER HOURS OR AFTER HOURS. WE COORDINATE WITH THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND THE OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO ASSESS THE DAMAGE OF THIS STRUCTURE. RESEARCH IS THEN CONDUCTED ON THE OWNER INFORMATION AND DISCUSS WITH THE OWNER IF ONE IS FOUND AT THE TIME OF THE LOCATION, LOCATION FOR POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION AND THEIR OPTIONS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE. DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT AN ALL DAMAGE OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR ARE TAKEN BY PHOTOS AND A CREATE CASES CREATED BY FILE AND A REQUEST FOR EXPEDITED TITLE SEARCH IS MADE. THE NEXT STEP IS TO REQUEST A DISCONNECT OF ELECTRICITY. I DO APOLOGIZE, I AM GOING INCORRECTLY HERE. I WENT THE WRONG WAY. STEP FIVE IS DETERMINE IF A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION IS REQUIRED, THEN THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND THE COORDINATION OF A CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR IS MADE. REQUESTS FOR DISCONNECTS ARE MADE. IF FIRE CHIEF AT THAT TIME HAS NOT REQUESTED THEM AT THE TIME OF THE FIRE, A FILE IS EXPEDITED, THE AFFIDAVIT IS THEN OBTAINED AND SIGNED AND THE DEMOLITION PROCESS HAS STARTED. ONCE THE PROCESS HAS STARTED, DEMO DEADLINE FOR COMPLETION IS WITHIN 96 HOURS FROM SIGNING OF THAT AFFIDAVIT. NOTIFICATION OF THE CITY MANAGER OFFICE AND HISTORIC IS ALSO A CASE NOTICE AS RECOMMENDED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND AFTER REVIEW OF ALL PROCEDURES NOTIFYING THE DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR TO SPEAK WITH THE DEMOLITION. AT THIS TIME, WE DO RECEIVE WEEKLY FIRE REPORTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, OF ANY REQUIRES THAT OCCURRED DURING THE WEEK IF WE DID NOT GET A CALL OVERNIGHT. ONCE AGAIN, I DO NEED TO REITERATE THAT WE DO NOT ALWAYS GET A CALL WHEN FIRE DOES OCCUR AT THAT TIME, BUT WE DO GET THESE WEEKLY REPORTS SO THAT STAFF CAN GO OUT AND ASSESS DAMAGES. OKAY. AND THESE ARE JUST DIFFERENT VARIABLES AS TO HOW WE COME ABOUT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR DON'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR ANY EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. FOR EMERGENCY DEMOLITION, WE REVIEW THE THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE STRUCTURE BEING THE FOUNDATION, THE EXTERIOR WALLS AND THE ROOF SYSTEM ONE, IF NOT OFF WOULD BE RE WOULD, WOULD CAUSE A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN EMERGENCY. DEMOLITION. WE HAVE ISSUES WHEN THERE ARE TIME ARSONS ON LOCATION. UM, THEY'LL PUT A HOLD AT THAT TIME. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY PROCESS, ANY INVESTIGATION CONDUCTED AT A PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE ARSON HOLE. THERE MAY BE A FATALITY. OF COURSE, CITY TAKES INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION THIS SITUATION AND HAS SHOWN COMPASSION AND WE HOLD OFF AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. AS STATED BEFORE, THE LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE, THE PROXIMITY IS TO THE SCHOOL, THE REGISTERED DAYCARE, THE CLOSEST SAFETY CONCERN, WHICH WOULD BE A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, UM, BUS, BUS STOP. SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT WOULD CAUSE US TO, UH, PROCEED AS AN EMERGENCY. IF THE PROPERTY CAN BE SECURED, UM, BY FENCING OR BY PLYWOOD, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. MAY BE JUST HOLDING OFF AND, UH, PROCEEDING WITH THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. NEXT SLIDE. AND THESE ARE JUST PHOTOS SHOWING WHAT WE, UH, RESPOND TO, WHETHER IT BE AT NIGHT. UH, THIS IS A FIRE UP IN THE NORTHWEST AREA WHERE A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOME, UH, CAUGHT FIRE. WE HAD TO CONTACT, UH, T C I TO ASSIST WITH SOME FIRE SPOT. UH, THAT WHOLE ROOF SYSTEM HAD COLLAPSED. SOME OF THE WALLS ARE PRACTICALLY NON-EXISTENT. THIS WAS CONSIDERED AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. [03:30:01] NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE DAY, UH, VIEW OF THE, OF THE SAME SITE SHOWING HOW THE ROOF IS NON-EXISTENT. WALLS ARE MISSING THE INTERIOR COMPLETELY CHARRED. THIS IS A TWO STORY. UM, HOME ON THE WEST SIDE. IT WAS SEVERELY DAMAGED AND YOU COULD SEE IT PRACTICALLY COLLAPSED ONTO ITSELF ALREADY. THIS ONE'S SHOWING, UH, A FALSE VIEW OF WHAT SOME CODE OFFICERS MIGHT BE PASSING BY. THEY HAD QUESTIONS AS TO, WELL, WHY WASN'T THIS RESPONDED TO SOONER? WELL, AS YOU LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS THAT SHOW YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, YOU DON'T SEE ANY DAMAGE TO THE PROPERTY UNLESS YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IT. UH, WE DON'T RECEIVE A CALL AND THIS CAN GO PENDING FOR A LONG WHILE IF WE DON'T RECEIVE A CALL FROM A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS OR EVEN FROM FIRE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE REAR VIEW OF THAT SAME PROPERTY. THE FRONTAGE SHOWS COMPLETE THAT THERE WASN'T ANY DAMAGE, BUT THE REAR SHOWS THE ROOFTOP HAS COLLAPSED. REAR EXTERIOR WALLS ARE NON-EXISTENT. THIS WAS PURSUIT OF AN EMERGENCY. DEMOLITION. HERE IS A PROPERTY WHERE, UM, THERE WAS A FATALITY. YOU SEE THAT THE ROOF SYSTEM COLLAPSED. THE REAR WALLS ARE MISSING. UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THE, THE SITUATION THAT THERE WAS A FATALITY, WE DID NOT PURSUE THIS PROPERTY AS AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. BUT WE DID WORK WITH THE OWNERS TO, UH, SECURE THE PROPERTY BY A CHAINING FENCE AND WORK WITH THEIR INSURANCE TO HAVE THIS DEMOLISHED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. NEXT SLIDE. JUST MORE PHOTOS OF THE SAME, UH, FIRE DAMAGE. THIS IS A TWO STORY, UM, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IN THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE DAMAGE WAS SO SEVERE AND FIRE WAS UNABLE TO GET TO A LOT OF THOSE HOT SPOTS. AND WE HAD TO CALL T C I FOR EQUIPMENT THAT VERY SAME DAY TO HELP ASSIST IN MOVING WALLS AND A PORTION OF THAT ROOF SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT, GET THOSE HOTSPOTS THAT WERE JUST TOO HARD FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO, TO GET TO. SO WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE. THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT VARIABLES AS TO WHEN WE DO PURSUE AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. AND WE DO TRY AND WORK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH THE OWNER. WE, IF THERE'S ONE ON SITE, WE TRY AND RESEARCH AND, UH, NOTIFY AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE TO THEM, GIVING THEM THEIR OPTIONS, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THIS MAY BE A POSSIBLE DEMOLITION. IF THERE'S ALL INSURANCE ON THE PROPERTY, WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. WE ASSIST THEM IN LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO REACH OUT TO THEIR INSURANCE AGENCY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, IF WE DO GIVE 'EM THE OPTION THEY CAN PER, UH, THE STRUCTURE PRIVATELY AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEY STILL WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME PROCEDURE IF IT IS DECLARED AN EMERGENCY. DEMOLITION AS FAR AS WE, UH, DEMOLISHING WITHIN 96 HOURS. AND THIS DOES CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I DO. CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT HOUSE WHERE YOU SAID THAT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANY DAMAGE, RIGHT? THIS YES. THIS ONE. NOW YOU SAID THAT, UM, IF A IF A NEIGHBOR OR SOMEONE THAT'S WALKING IN THE BACK DIDN'T REPORT IT TO Y'ALL, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY EVEN LOOK FOR IT FOR THE DAMAGE? NO, NO. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS IS JUST GIVEN A FALSE PRETENSE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE, IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY JUST ANYBODY DRIVING BY IN GENERAL, IF WE DID NOT RECEIVE A CALL ON THIS, THEY, THERE WAS A FIRE, A FRONT STRUCTURE, AND AN OFFICER WAS JUST DRIVING BY GOING TO ANOTHER LOCATION. THIS COULD BE, THIS JUST COULD BE MISSED IN THE SENSE THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THE DAMAGE FROM THE FRONT. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE, WE DO RESPOND, WHEN WE GET CALLS FROM EITHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID NOT CALL YOU ALL ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HERE? THAT IS CORRECT. FIRE DEPARTMENT DID NOT CALL US ON THIS ONE. IT WAS ACTUALLY A NEIGHBOR THAT CALLED PROBABLY A, A WEEK OR TWO AFTER THE FIRE HAD OCCURRED. SO WAS THERE ANY REASON WHY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T CALL OR DO YOU KNOW? I'M SORRY, MA'AM, I CANNOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I, I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THEY DIDN'T CALL YOU BECAUSE THE BACK PART OF IT WAS TOTALLY GONE. OKAY. WELL, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I GOT SOME, UH, YOU SAID YOU RECEIVE A FIRE REPORT EVERY DAY? NO, NO, MR. THAT'S RECEIVED WEEKLY. WEEKLY. SO YES, SIR. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, DID THIS NOT SHOW UP ON A FIRE REPORT? I COULDN'T ANSWER YOU TO ANSWER [03:35:01] THAT QUESTION. THIS FIRE ACTUALLY HAPPENED BACK IN 2017. WE STARTED RECEIVING THE REPORTS PROBABLY, UM, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY LATE 18, IF NOT EARLY 2019. OH, OKAY. SO THIS WAS PRIOR TO THAT. SO YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. WE'VE SEEN, AND, AND, AND I'M GOING OFF THE HISTORY OF WHAT THIS BOARD HAS SEEN, AND WE'VE SEEN HOUSES LIKE THIS COME TO US NOT CONSIDERED AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION WHEN IT CLEARLY STATES IN YOUR OWN GUIDELINES THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE. AND IF YOU HAVE HALF YOUR HOUSE ALREADY GONE AND THE REST OF THE INS, THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE IS COMPROMISED. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. SO WHEN WE SEE THIS COME BEFORE US, THEN WE KEEP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION. HOW DOES IT BECOME THIS TYPE OF SITUATION COMING TO US? IT DOESN'T, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S KIND OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE INVESTIGATOR WHO DETERMINES IF IT'S EMERGENCY OR IF IT'S NOT. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT MR. ANDERSON, AND LIKE I SAID, WE ARE RECEIVING THE, THE WEEK FIRE REPORT AND WE ARE TRYING TO STAY ON TOP OF THESE CASES. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE CONSIDERABLY INCREASED, UH, OUR RESPONSE TIME TO THESE CASES SINCE RECEIVING THEM. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IF YOU RECEIVE A REPORT, AND THIS WASN'T DEEMED AN EMERGENCY AT THAT TIME, DID, DID SOMEBODY ELSE GO OUT THERE AND JUST REASSESS IT OR NO? YES SIR. WE DO ASSESS THE STRUCTURES AND WE DO PRESENT 'EM TO, UH, FOR THE BUILDING STANDARD BOARDS. IF WE, IF WE DID NOT HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE OWNERS, IF THERE'S NOT ANY REPAIRS MADE BY THE OWNERS AT THAT TIME. WELL, I, I TRY TO WORK WITH THE, I I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT DOES IT, IT, IS IT, IF IT'S REASSESSED AND, AND DETERMINED THAT AT THE, THE TIME YOU REASSESS DID IT WAS OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN EMERGENCY DEMO. CAN IT BE DONE LIKE THAT? OR DOES IT HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD? IT'S ALL VARIABLE. ARE, ARE EVIDENCE IS PROVIDED AND, UH, RECEIVED FROM THE BILLING INSPECTOR AND WE PRESENT IT TO, UH, OUR DIRECTOR FOR A RECOMMENDATION WITH, WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND WHO WANTS IT APPROVED AS AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. BUT WE DO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE TIMEFRAME AS WELL. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SITTING THERE? WE DO LOOK AT THE FILE REPORTS WE RECEIVED, REQUEST THOSE INFORMATION. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE FACTORS. I MEAN, I, I CANNOT SAY THAT WHETHER YES, WE WOULD PURSUE IT AS AN EMERGENCY, DEMOLITION OR NOT, IF THE EVIDENCE WOULD BE PRESENTED TO OUR DIRECTOR FOR HIS RECOMMENDATION, HIS APPROVAL. SO THERE'S A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, WHEN I SEE STUFF LIKE THIS, AND THIS IS WHY I KEEP ASKING THIS, IT, IT'S HOUSES LIKE THIS, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AS ONE, BUT YET WE GET IT MONTHS AND SOMETIMES A YEAR LATER. AND IT'S IN THE SAME CONDITION THAT THAT'S, IT'S FRUSTRATING ME AS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR THAT IN MOST CASES I WOULD RECOMMEND A DEMOLITION 'CAUSE IT WOULD COST MORE MONEY TO TRY TO SALVAGE WHAT'S THERE AND THEN ADD THAN IT DID JUST TO DEMO, TO PUT A BRAND NEW ONE ON. SO THERE'S A DISCONNECT SOMEWHERE IN THE SYSTEM. WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S AT. FOLKS. I WOULD LIKE TO, AS FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AND REMIND, BRINGING PROPERTIES TO B S B IS THE LAST RESORT. SO IF THEY'RE BRINGING A PROPERTY TO B S B, IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE TRIED EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY DON'T WANT TO USE YOU GUYS AS THE FIRST RESORT. THEY WANT TO USE YOU AS THE LAST RESORT. WHY? BECAUSE THERE IS A, UM, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY AND A BIG ONE THAT THAT PROPERTY MIGHT HAVE TO BE DEMOLISHED. AND SO WHAT, WHAT D S D AND THE BOARD DOES IS TRIES TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT COUNSEL, BUT WHAT I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IS YOU HAVE 12 STEPS, BUT IT STILL SEEMS LIKE THESE GUYS, THESE THESE STRUCTURES END UP IN FRONT OF US WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WAY BEFORE THEY HIT THE BOARD. THAT'S SEEMS LIKE MR. THIS IS A JENNY RAMIREZ, UH, CODE MANAGER. I, I JUST HAVE TO EXPLAIN AND REITERATE AND REEMPHASIZE THAT WHEN WE BRING THEM TO THE BOARD, IT'S ALREADY BEEN EVALUATED. UM, THAT MAY NOT BE AGREEABLE, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A CONTRACTOR, BUT WE DO, EVERY OFFICER MAKES THAT EVALUATION. IT COMES BEFORE, UM, AN AN INTERNAL REVIEW AND WE MAKE THAT EVALUATION AGAIN AND IT GOES TO AN EXECUTIVE REVIEW. AND THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT EVALUATION AGAIN. SO EVEN PAST THE FIRST WEEK, THE FIRST MONTH AND INTO THE INVESTIGATION, IT'S BEING REVIEWED. AND IF THERE'S ANY STEP ALONG THE WAY WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN EMERGENCY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, I KNOW YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH THAT EVERY TIME, BUT I, I, I GUARANTEE WE DO HAVE THE STEPS IN PLACE TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW IT TO SEE, BECAUSE WE'VE EVEN HAD SOME CASES WHERE MORE DAMAGE OCCURS IF AN OWNER [03:40:01] DOES WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT, AS THEY OFTEN DO, AND THEY CREATE AN ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE DAMAGE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A ROOF COLLAPSE WHERE IT WASN'T THERE, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS AGO. AND UPON THAT REVIEW, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TURN THIS INTO D EMERGENCY AT THAT TIME. SO WE ARE TAKING VERY CLOSE LOOKS AND WE, WE DO COORDINATE THAT EFFORT WITH, WITH JASON GRAY, WHO WAS JUST HERE BEFORE, OR ONE OF HIS COUNTERPARTS WITH CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR TO REVIEW THAT. AND AGAIN, HE HAS HIS PROCESSES IS IS IT CLOSE TO ANOTHER STRUCTURE? IS THERE A DANGER TO A SIDEWALK OR TO A PUBLIC FACILITY? AND SO THERE'S OTHER CHECK BOXES THAT DEFINITELY GO INTO THAT REVIEW, NOT JUST THAT IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN IMMEDIATELY, BUT WHAT'S THE HAZARD INVOLVED FOR THAT IMMEDIACY? SO THOSE ARE ALL ADDITIONAL FACTORS THAT WE'RE ALL TAKING INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE WE GO TO, TO THE BOARD. SOMETIMES WE ARE FAST TRACKING SOME CASES OR SOMETIMES THEY ARE GOING A BIT LONGER. UM, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY ALWAYS WORKING ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THOSE CASES, BUT WE'RE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING IT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. SO I I I HAVE TO REITERATE, WE DO HAVE THOSE STEPS IN PLACE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. JENNY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH FRED. THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME KIND OF DISCONNECT SOMEWHERE. NOW, THIS PROPERTY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE ARE USING AS OUR EXAMPLE, THIS PROPERTY AND THE BACK IS, IS, IT'S HARD, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST THE, THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE JUST STANDING UP. SO WITH THAT SAID, WHY WASN'T LOOK AT THIS DAMAGE? AND IF THIS DIDN'T REQUIRE, OKAY, YOU ALL GET REPORTS EVERY MORNING, AND THIS MUST HAVE BEEN ON THERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME AND YOU HAD AN INSPECTOR TO GO OUT AND TO LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY, AND HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T THINK IT REQUIRED AN EMERGENCY DEMO. NO, MA'AM. UM, ALICE, CORRECT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THIS WAS AN EMERGENCY DEMO. THIS WAS A, AN EXAMPLE OF EMERGENCY DEMO. THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT IT WAS THE EMERGENCY DEMO. THIS ONE WAS AN EMERGENCY. ANOTHER CORRECTION IS THAT THE REPORTS WE RECEIVE ARE WEEKLY. THEY'RE NOT DAILY. WELL, WEEKLY, I'M SORRY, BUT EVEN SO, SO WHAT OCCURRED ON THIS ONE? THIS WAS, THIS WAS ALEX'S EXAMPLE OF SHOWING JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY DRIVING AROUND THE STREET MIGHT NOT SEE THIS ISSUE, BUT THIS IS WHAT'S OCCURRING, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WHY IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THOSE, WE GET THOSE WEEKLY REPORTS. THAT'S THE REASON WE DID START THE WEEKLY REPORTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF THE, YOU KNOW, EVERY FIRE CHIEF IS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR, THEY HAVE THEIR STEPS IN PLACE, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF THE FIRE CHIEF DID NOT CALL US, WE HAVE THAT REPORT NOW AS A BACKUP. AND THAT'S THE REPORT THAT WE ARE USING AS A BACKUP TO ENSURE THAT WE CATCH THESE. NOW, SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO REMEMBER, THOUGH, IT'S NOT A COMPLETE FAIL SAFE, THERE'S SOMETIMES WE ALSO NEED THE PUBLIC TO ALSO HELP US AND CALL THOSE IN, BECAUSE ON THAT REPORT, WHAT DOES OCCUR IS SOMETIMES IT MAY, IT MAY NOT BE THE EXACT ADDRESS OF WHERE THE FIRE OCCURRED. AND OF COURSE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, YOU KNOW, IF FIRE TRUCK GETS CALLED OUT, THEY'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT TO WHERE THE SMOKE IS AT AND WHERE THE FIRE'S AT ON THAT BLOCK AND GET TO IT. BUT IF WE, IF WE, IF WE RECEIVE THEIR, THE REPORT, YOU KNOW, A WEEK LATER WE MAY NOT SEE THE SMOKE, WE MAY NOT GET THE EXACT ADDRESS. SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE EXAMPLE THAT THAT ALICE WAS POINT WAS POINTING OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE, THIS IS A REAL REPORT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM CASE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN READ IT, BUT IT SHOWS A 1700 BLOCK OF SOUTH HAMILTON THAT'S NOT AN EXACT ADDRESS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT DOES TAKE THAT INVESTIGATOR, IT DOES TAKE THAT ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT. WE, WE WORK VERY HARD TO GET THEM RIGHT. SOMETIMES WE, WE DON'T, SOMETIMES IT WILL GET MISSED, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING TO GET THOSE, TO GET THOSE CORRECTED. COULD SOMEONE PLEASE INTERPRET WHAT SHE JUST SAID? I I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. THE MICROPHONES ARE, ARE KILLING ME. DID ANYBODY HEAR WHAT SHE SAID OR UNDERSTAND IT? UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE, THIS IS DWAYNE NELSON. I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE SAID. AND IT GOES BACK TO ERIC'S COMMENT THAT IN REALITY LONG TERM THE BOARD IS THE, UH, AREA OF LAST RESORT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE LAYERS OF, OF ACTION TAKEN ON STRUCTURES. IN THE CASE OF THE FIRE SITUATION, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN ISSUE OF GETTING A WEEKLY REPORT. AND THAT MEANS THAT SOMEBODY HAS, IN THE CO-DEVELOPMENT OFFICE HAS TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THE FIRES TO LOOK AT IT, UH, TO DETERMINE DO WE WANNA SEND SOMEBODY OUT TO LOOK AT IT OR NOT LOOK AT IT. UH, AND [03:45:01] IN CASE OF FIRES, IN REALITY, IT'S ALMOST THE CHIEF ON THE SCENE THAT NEEDS TO FILE AN IMMEDIATE REPORT TO SAY IT IS A, UM, NEED TO DESTROY IT IMMEDIATELY. AND WHEN THE FIRE CHIEF SAYS IT NEEDS TO GO DOWN, THEN THAT MAKES THE DECISION A WHOLE LOT EASIER WHEN IT GETS TO CO-DEVELOPMENT STAFF BECAUSE THE FIRE CHIEF KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. IT'S EITHER GOING TO COLLAPSE OR NOT COLLAPSE. UH, AND THEN THAT MEANS THAT AMAN OR, UH, NO ONE ELSE HAS TO MAKE A DECISION. THE FIRE CHIEF SAYS IT'S DANGEROUS. UH, THE OTHER ISSUE IS YOU'VE GOT HOMEOWNERS INVOLVED BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO TALK TO A HOMEOWNER ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO OR WHAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO. UH, WITH YOUR PLACE. YOU'VE GOT THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALSO GOT INSURANCE AND THEY TALK TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY. AN INSURANCE COMPANY DOESN'T GIVE 'EM AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE OR REPLY, AND STILL THEY'VE GOT 96 HOURS TO PLAY WITH. UH, THE, THE KEY IS IT'S A MULTI-LAYERED ISSUE THAT THE CO-DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAS TO LOOK AT BEFORE IT EVER GETS BACK TO US. AND WE SEE IT AND WE SAY, THAT COULD HAVE COME DOWN IMMEDIATELY. WELL, MAYBE NOT. WHAT WAS THE CHARRING LEVEL ON THE WALL? WHAT WAS THE CHARRING LEVEL ON THE, UH, ROOF SUPPORT? UH, I CAN'T SEE THAT IN PICTURES. UH, SOMETIMES I CAN SEE IT IN PICTURES WHEN IT'S ALREADY GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT, UH, I ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S, THERE'S THE ISSUE OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS BECAUSE WHEN YOU'VE GONE THROUGH FIRE INSPECTION TRAINING, AND AGAIN, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT I'VE GONE THROUGH THAT STORY, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MAKE A DETERMINATION. UH, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT THE COMBINATION OF MULTIPLE LAYERS TO GO THROUGH. YOU'VE GOT THE COMBINATION OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO DEAL WITH AND IT MAKES IT REAL, REAL DIFFICULT. UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. AND THIS IS ROBERT . I'M SORRY. IN, IN ADDITION, ALL OF THIS TAKES TIMES IT'S PERSONNEL, IT'S PAPERWORK. IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE WISH WE COULD SEE IT AND CALL IT OUT, DEMOLISH IT, END OF STORY. BUT THESE THINGS TAKE TIME, PICTURES. WELL, OF COURSE IT, SO IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. WE WE'RE TALKING SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS HERE, MAYBE A YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PARTS INVOLVED. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE THE LAST RESORT FOR THESE PROPERTIES, BUT SOMETIMES THESE PROPERTIES ARE IN REALLY, REALLY BAD SHAPE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATES ON THE PROPERTY, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED BEFORE IT GOT TO US. I MEAN, THAT, THAT ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT A, A PROPERTY OWNER OR A PASS BAR HAD TO CALL IT IN. AND I'M SURE AN INSPECTOR HAD TO HAVE GONE OUT THERE UNLESS THE PROGRAM, THAT PROGRAM HAD NOT STARTED BEFORE 19, UH, I'M SORRY, BEFORE 2017, YOU KNOW, UH, A PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE CALLED THAT PROPERTY IN THE INSPECTOR SHOULD HAVE COURT IT OR THE CHIEF, OR, YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF SHOULD HAVE SENT IT ON TO THE PRO TO THE, UH, CODE OR, OR WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS. I JUST THINK IT TAKES A LONG TIME AND LONGER TIME TO DO THESE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PIECES INVOLVED IN IT, AND THAT'S WHERE LEGAL COMES IN. THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO SET THE GUIDELINES FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF. AND SO IT, IT JUST ADDS TO THE TIME AND ADDS TO THE FRUSTRATION BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD AND IT'S NOT SAFE. THEY'RE NOT SAFE. SO IT JUST, IT'S A PROCESS. OH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT JENNY, HOW OFTEN DO YOU ALL, UM, GO OVER THE GUIDELINES FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF PROPERTIES? DO YOU EVER REVIEW TO, TO REVISE THEM? DO YOU EVER REVISE THE GUIDELINES OR THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS OR WHAT? UM, NO, WE REVIEW REVIEWED 'EM PROBABLY YEARLY. THEY'RE REVIEWED PRETTY OFTEN, UM, BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF ARE UP TO DATE AND NO, NO LAWS HAVE CHANGED OR NO REQUIREMENTS HAVE CHANGED, BUT THEY ARE UNDER REVIEW. UM, LIKE ALICE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THE FIRE REPORT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO FILL THE GAPS AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. WHAT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, MS. MS. BARRAN, IF YOU SEE THE PICTURE RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THIS IS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, INCLUDING, INCLUDING OUR, OUR CODE STAFF. YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE A HUNDRED OFFICERS FOR THE WHOLE CITY. IT'S NOT [03:50:01] POSSIBLE FOR OUR OFFICERS TO PATROL EVERY SINGLE STREET EVERY SINGLE DAY. IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. SO IT IS, IT IS, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR, FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR, AND OUR PUBLIC TO HELP US IF THEY SEE SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET, OR IF IT IS EVEN IN THE WORKS AND IT'S A DUPLICATE CALL, THAT'S OKAY. WE'D RATHER THE DUPLICATE CALL COME IN THAN A CASE BE MISSED A DAY LONGER. THAT'S, THAT'S NEVER OUR INTENTION TO WANNA LET THESE CASES DRAG OUT ANY LONGER THAN POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR WORST CASE SCENARIO, IS THAT SOMETHING DOES GO WRONG. THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE ALWAYS WANNA TRY TO PREVENT HAPPENING AND ADDITIONAL DAMAGE OR SOMEBODY BEING INJURED. JENNY, THIS IS FRED ANDIS. HEY, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING. WHEN YOU REVIEW THE POLICIES, ARE YOU SITTING WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AND ALL OF THEM AND CAN THE POLICY BE CHANGED AT A LAST MINUTE OR DOES IT HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE YEARLY REVIEW? NO, WE DON'T REALLY, WE DON'T REALLY MEET DIRECTLY WITH THE, THE FIRE CHIEF BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARILY THE FIRE. I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE FIREHOUSE HAS DIFFERENT FIRE CHIEFS, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ONE FIRE CHIEF UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING WITH THE CHIEF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT NO, THE, THE STANDARDS THAT THEY MEET WHEN THEY FOLLOW US, THEY HAVE THEIR STANDARDS IN PLACE OF WHEN A STRUCTURE IS AN IMMEDIATE HARM OF FALLING DOWN. USUALLY THEY'RE KILLING OUR STAFF PLUS PUBLIC WORKS TO ASSIST WITH A REMOVAL OF A WALL OR REMOVAL OF SOME PART OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL IS A DANGER TO EVEN THEIR FIRE, FIRE, THEIR FIRE OFFICERS OR MEN AND WOMEN. SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S AT THEIR LEVEL OF TRAINING OF WHAT THEY SEE AS A, AS A COLLAPSE. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, WE REVIEW WITH THEM. NO. SO THEN MAYBE THAT'S WORTH, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT SEEMS TO BE A DISCONNECT ON HOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING AND HOW WE ARE LOOKING AT IT BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THE BOARD. SO THERE'S NO REAL SET DOWN ABOUT A COMMON GROUND EXCEPT OTHER THAN IF IT'S A THREAT TO LIFE AND SAFETY, EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING DOES PROBABLY NEED TO COME DOWN. OUR INVESTIGATOR LOOKS AT ONE WAY AND THEIRS LOOKS AT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. NO, MR. ANDERSON, BECAUSE I, I DO NEED TO POINT OUT THAT WE STILL HAVE OUR FIRE CHIEF, UM, OUR, OUR CHIEF BUILDING INS, I'M SORRY, OUR, OUR CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR IS STILL AVAILABLE TO US. UM, WHEN A FIRE, IF, IF OUR OFFICERS SEE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH DAMAGE AND THEY WANT A SECOND LOOK AT IT, THEY, THEY DO BRING IN THE, THE CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AS WELL. SO THAT, THAT DOES OCCUR EVEN AFTER, EVEN AFTER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS GONE AND LEFT. IT'S NOT, IT, THE DETERMINATION DOES NOT HAVE TO OCCUR WHEN THE FIRE IS ONGOING. UM, AT ANY POINT IN TIME BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BOARD, IT CAN STILL BE LOOKED AT AS POTENTIAL FOR AN EMERGENCY. THERE IS SOME TIMELINES INVOLVED WHERE IF WE'VE WAITED TOO LONG, WELL THEN WE'VE LOST THAT, THAT THAT PROOF THAT IS IT TRULY AN EMERGENCY. BUT IF, IF THINGS CHANGE ON A STRUCTURE OR MORE, MORE DAMAGE OCCURS, WE CAN STILL NORMALLY BRING IN A, UH, A BUILDING, UH, INSPECTOR TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THEY CONCUR OR WHAT THEIR OPINION IS ON IT. NOW, WE DO NEED A CONCURRENCE FROM THEM, UM, BEFORE WE PRESENT IT TO OUR DIRECTOR. BUT THAT IS, THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE. THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE TO US. BUT THE POLICY OR THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU GUYS LOOK AT EVERY YEAR IS NOT NECESSARILY SET IN CONCRETE FOR EVERY YEAR. YOU CAN RE REVISE IT IF NEED BE. CORRECT? UM, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT, CAN YOU GO TO, UH, THE THIRD SLIDE, JUDY? LET'S SEE WHERE IT LISTS, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. NO, I KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING. OH, THIS IS, THIS IS CODIFIED RIGHT HERE. THIS PART RIGHT HERE IS CODIFIED. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, THIS IS PART OF THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT IS CODIFIED THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PROVE UP. RIGHT? THIS IS, BUT WHEN YOU REVIEW THE ACTUAL PROCESS, YOU CAN, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED THE YEAR TO CHANGE THE, LIKE, UH, LIKE IF YOU NEED TO ADD A SPECIAL CLAUSE IN THERE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE YEARLY TO DO A, A REVIEW, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS WHAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED. UM, I GO BACK TO THE, THE DISCONNECT SOMEWHERE. THERE'S SOMEWHERE THERE'S A DISCONNECT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, BUT TO ME, FROM THE TIME ONE GUY LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS IT'S, IT IS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE OR NOT A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE, BUT YET WHEN IT HITS US, IT IS, IT IS OBVIOUSLY A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE IN OURS. IS THE STRUCTURE, IS THE PROCESS YOU USE FOR INSPECTIONS, CAN IT BE UPDATED IF ANOTHER WAY IS FOUND TO DO IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR EVERYBODY [03:55:01] INVOLVED? OR DOES IT HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE YEARLY REVIEW TO BE UPDATED? NO, THE EFFICIENCY IS FOUND. YES, WE DID. WE, WE'D WORK TO DO THAT IMMEDIATELY IF IT'S WITHIN OUR PROCESS. ABSOLUTELY. AND I'M JUST SEEING A DISCONNECT IN SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE ABOUT HOW THIS PROCESS IS ACTUALLY DONE. I KNOW THERE'S MULTIPLE STEPS, BUT TO ME, SITTING ON THIS SIDE BUILDING AND DESTRUCTION, I SEE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE WAY SOMEBODY ELSE IS LOOKING AT A BUILDING, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE I B C CODES AND THEY'RE FOLLOWING A CITY CODE, BUT NOT AN I B C CODE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, SIR. WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO REVIEW. YEAH. 'CAUSE I, LIKE I SAY, TO ME, THERE'S A DISCONNECT AND I, I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHERE IT IS AND IF WE CAN ADD, THE BOARD CAN ASSIST IN TRYING TO GET THE PROCESS A LITTLE MORE STREAMLINED AND THESE BUILDINGS A LITTLE QUICKER. I KNOW THERE'S 96 HOURS, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IF THE FIRE HAPPENS ON A MONDAY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALMOST THURSDAY, FRIDAY BEFORE THE HALF BEFORE IT CAN EVEN BE DEMOED, AND THEN IT HAS TO BE SCHEDULED FOR DEMO. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THE, THE EMERGENCY DOES NOT HAVE TO BE DECLARED WITHIN THAT 96. IT'S JUST ONCE WE MAKE THE DETERMINATION, WE HAVE TO KNOCK IT DOWN WITHIN THAT TIME. WELL, I, I'M TALKING THE APPEALS, IF THE PERSON HAS 96 HOURS TO APPEAL THE, THE DEMO, RIGHT? SO YOU GIVE THEM 96 HOURS, YOU'RE ALREADY INTO THE LATER OF THE WEEK BEFORE IT CAN EVEN BE TOUCHED BY ANY DEMOLITION CREW. RIGHT. AND TO ME, THAT'S 96 HOURS OF A, OF A TICKING PROBLEM. NO, SIR. THAT PART, THAT PART IS CODIFIED. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S UP FOR A DEBATE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO LEAVE IN THERE. UM, I DEFER THAT. IT'S ILLEGAL ON THAT, RIGHT? IT, IT, IT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A TICKING PROBLEM FOR US, IT'S JUST A TICKING PROBLEM. 'CAUSE THE HOUSE ALREADY SUSTAINED SOME DAMAGE. I I JUST THINK THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAT THIS HAS TO BE LOOKED AT TO GET THESE PROPERTIES WITHOUT THE ISSUES. BECAUSE TO ME, AN EMERGENCY DEMO MEANS YOU'RE OUT THERE IN AN EMERGENCY LIKE AN AMBULANCE YOU CALL IT, AND IT SHOWS UP. THIS TO ME, DOESN'T CLASSIFY AS AN EMERGENCY DEMO IF YOU'RE DOING IT THREE TO THREE TO FIVE DAYS LATER. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HERE AND THERE, THERE, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT STUFF AND MAYBE IMPLEMENT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT PUT THIS PROCESS INSTEAD OF SEEING A HOUSE IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, SEE IT AS WITHIN A MONTH OF IT ACTUALLY BEING CLASSIFIED AS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE. WELL, YOU ONLY HAVE THREE WALLS AND I THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR INPUT. OKAY. SO, UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, JENNY, YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE A DISCONNECT TO, TO ME TOO. AND I, I'M NOT CRAZY . I'M I'M FAR FROM IT. YOU KNOW WHAT? I JUST, JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, I I'M, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FRED AND EVELYN, ARE YOU GUYS WANTING EMERGENCY DEMOS TO COME TO THE BOARD EARLIER? NO, WE WANT, WHAT I, I THINK WHAT FRED AND I ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT WHY CAN'T THE, UH, THE CHIEF OR THE INSPECTOR, WHOEVER GOES OUT TO INSPECT THESE PROPERTIES ONCE THE REPORTS COME IN, IF THE CHIEF DOESN'T SAY, HEY, THIS IS AN EMERGENCY DEMO, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY GETS ITS REPORTS AND THEN AN INSPECTOR GOES OUT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YAY OR NAYYY. I THINK SOMETIMES THEY'RE SAYING NAYYY WHEN THEY SHOULD BE SAYING YAY. AND THAT WAY IT WOULD PREVENT COMING TO THE BOARD IN, IN A DISARRAY, YOU KNOW, SIX, EIGHT MONTHS DOWN THE LINE WHEN IT'S NOW THE RAIN AND THE WIND AND THE, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS GOTTEN TO THE PROPERTY. SO NOW IS IT EVEN WORSE CONDITION BECAUSE OF THE ELEMENTS. SO I, YOU KNOW, WE JUST BELIEVE IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHO'S INSPECTING THE PROPERTIES OR WHEN THEY'RE INSPECTING THE PROPERTIES. MAYBE WE DO, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT CODE THAT'S DETERMINING THE PROPERTY IS A DANGEROUS, UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EMERGENCY DEMO. IT IS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE BUILDING CHIEF INSPECTOR, AND THE, AND THE FIRE CHIEF. SO I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD CODE HAVE TO DO WITH WHETHER THAT PROPERTY IS DETERMINED TO BE AN, AN EMERGENCY DEMO CODE? DOESN'T, CODE DOESN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION CODE JUST HAS TO REACT TO THE DETERMINATION THAT'S ALREADY MADE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I I THINK THAT'S, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR CODE. WE'RE ASKING CODE, BUT BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO US AS NON-EMERGENCY [04:00:01] DEMO DANGEROUS STRUCTURES. THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURE THAT'S COME TO US IN THE, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME OF THEM THAT HAVE BEEN MISSING TWO WALLS OR THE ROOF HAS COLLAPSED AND THE WALLS OF BUCKLING, BUT THEY WEREN'T CONSIDERED AN EMERGENCY DEMO. BUT IF YOU GO BY YOUR SLIDE, IT CLEARLY STATES ON THERE, THE, THE PREREQUISITES OF WHAT YOU, YOU INSPECT. AND I MEAN, YOU BY THE, THE CHIEF, UH, DIRECTOR WHEN THEY HAVE THAT LIST UP THERE AND IT'S ON ONE, I THINK IT'S THE NEXT SLIDE IF SOMEBODY CAN FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, THE NEXT ONE IF I, I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER ON MY SLIDES. OKAY. KEEP GOING UNTIL YOU HAVE THE, THE ACTUAL RIGHT HERE WHERE IT SAYS ROOF SYSTEM, IF THE ROOF SYSTEM'S NOT PINNED TO THE WALLS BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE TWO WALLS LEFT AND THE ROOF HAS COLLAPSED AND WE'VE SEEN IT COME BEFORE US, AND YOU'RE ASKING US TO NOW MAKE A DETERMINATION IF IT'S A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE, WHEN IN, IN MY OPINION, IF YOU'RE MISSING TWO WALLS ALREADY, IT ALREADY IS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE. . I'M NOT, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT. MY, MY, MY CONCERN IS IT JUST SEEMS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET CODE TO CHANGE HOW THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND THE POLICE CHIEF MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROPERTY DESERVES AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET HIM CHANGE, ARE TRYING TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THESE ARE VARIABLE FACTORS. RECOMMENDATION. THERE'S, THEY, THEY'RE JUST FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY. I JUST DON'T, I I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I, I JUST DON'T, I GUESS I, I'M, I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHAT I WAS SEEING THAT AT THE VER THE, THE VERITABLE FACTORS ON THE ON, ARE YOU SEEING THAT IN FRONT OF YOU, ERIC? YES. YEAH. OKAY. IF YOU LOOK WHERE IT HAS EXTERIOR WALLS, IF YOU'RE MISSING TWO EXTERIOR WALLS AND YOUR ROOF IS COLLAPSED OR IS BURNED UP, AND THEY'VE DEEMED ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'VE SEEN WHEN YOU, WHEN, UH, JENNY HAS PRESENTED DANGEROUS EMERGENCY DEMOS AND THEY HAVE THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS AS AN EMERGENCY DEMO, AND YET YOU'RE PRESENTING THEM AT THE BOARD AS JUST A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE. AND IT'S THE SAME, UH, CONCEPT MISSING GROUP. AND NO, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICE OR CODE, JENNY DOESN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IF THAT PROPERTY, I'M NOT SAYING SHE DOES. I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HOW YOU HAVE, AND I THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING BY. IF YOU PRESENT ONE IS EMERGENCY AND ONE IS AND THE SAME CONCEPT. RIGHT. BUT THE REASON, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THE REASON I'M LOOKING AT, RIGHT? THE REASON THEY ARE PRESENTED AS EMERGENCIES IS 'CAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY DEEMED EMERGENCIES BY SOMEBODY ELSE. AND SINCE THEY'RE DEEMED EMERGENCIES, IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO YOU. IT'S NOT CODE THAT IS DETERMINING IF THIS PROPERTY IS AN EMERGENCY DEMO. I'M NOT SAYING I, I I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE WITH YOU. OH YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT PROPERTY LOOKS AS BAD AS THAT EMERGENCY DEMO JENNY JUST DID. BUT JENNY DOESN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION THAT OUR PROPERTY IS AN EMERGENCY DEMO. WELL, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING SHE DOES. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. CODE, WE KNOW CODE DOESN'T GET IN ON THIS UNTIL LIKE THE, THE BITTER END WHEN THEY BRING IT TO US. OKAY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THE, UH, INSPECTOR, WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE, OR THE, UH, TURN BACK TO THAT SLIDE. LET ME READ THOSE NAMES AGAIN. THE, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR THE CHIEFS OR WHOEVER THEY ARE MM-HMM. , THEY ARE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GOING IN THERE. ONCE THE CITY GETS THE REPORT AND WHOEVER THEY SEND OUT TO EVALUATE THE PROPERTY, IF THE CHIEF COMPLETE, IF THE CHIEF OF FIRE DOESN'T SAY, HEY, THIS IS A EMERGENCY DEMO, THE NEXT STEP IS GOING TO BE FOR THEM TO SEND THE, UH, THE, UH, THE PAPERWORK TO THE CITY, AND THE CITY WILL SEND OUT THEIR CHIEF OR THEIR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR OR WHOEVER IT MAY BE, AND THEN THEY DETERMINE, OH NO, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A, UM, IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY DEMO. SO, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, BY THE TIME THIS EIGHT MONTHS HAVE GONE BY NOW, EIGHT OR NINE OR 10 MONTHS HAVE GONE BY AND NOW THE PROPERTY IS IN EVEN IN WORSE CONDITION BECAUSE OF THE ELEMENTS. SO WE, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS AGO BEFORE THE DETERMINATION DATE. NOT AGAINST US, BUT THAT'S RIGHT. BUT THE REASON IT GOT TO IT BEING NOT BAD IS BECAUSE IT WAS EXPOSED IN FRONT OF THE ELEMENT. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE, I I HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING. I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT NECESSARILY A DISCONNECT, BUT WE CAN'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET ON DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR NOT, I, I, I DON'T KNOW, PUSHING, BEING PUSHY OR, OR, OR, OR TRYING TO CONVINCE, UM, A FIRE CHIEF AND A LICENSED BUILDING INSPECTOR TO, HEY, I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW HOW TO DO YOUR JOB, BUT CHANGE YOUR MIND. I THINK YOU SHOULD MAKE THIS [04:05:01] AN EMERGENCY DEMO. I MEAN, I THIS IS NOT ABOUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. JENNY IS ONLY MAKING THE PRESENTATION. RIGHT. OKAY, NOW GO, GO BACK. UNDERSTAND, GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE. THE ONE BEFORE THIS ONE. I THINK THE ONE WHO SAID I, I KNOW, I KNOW WE ALL HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO. I I DON'T NEED TO EITHER. I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING AS A BOARD, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS WANT TO ADDRESS THIS. AND I'M SAYING THE ONLY WAY THIS IS GONNA ADDRESS IS IF YOU TELL THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO HANDLE IT A DIFFERENT WAY. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. WE ARE JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITY SENDS OUT THEIR, THEIR, YOU KNOW, DIRECTORS TO WHOEVER THEY ARE TO DETERMINE THE PROPERTY IS, IS, UH, WHETHER IT'S AN EMERGENCY DEMO OR NOT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, WE DON'T THINK THEY'RE GETTING IT RIGHT. , WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTIES 8, 6, 8 MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD AND, UH, IT'S EVEN IN WORSE CONDITION. AND THEN WE WONDER, OH, HOW COME THIS CHAIR, I HEAR YOU AND I HEAR YOU CHAIR, BUT THAT'S DETERMINATION. THAT WOULD HONESTLY AND BLUNTLY, THAT'S JUST THAT, THAT'S LAYMAN'S OPINION. THAT'S JUST LAYMAN'S OPINION. WE'RE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, HEY, POLICE CHIEF ZONING INSPECTOR, YOU GUYS ARE WRONG. WHY? OH, 'CAUSE IT LOOKS BAD. IT LOOKS WORSE. NOW. I, I MEAN, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I, I, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AS A BOARD TO FIX THAT. WELL, I'M JUST GOING BY YOUR, I'M JUST GOING BY THE CITY GUIDELINES RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF ME. WELL, NO, I I, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING, MR. WAYNE NELSON, THERE'S, THERE'S KEY WORD IN THIS, AND IT'S THE THIRD WORD IN THE, IN THE WHOLE THING. IT SAYS, WHEN IT APPEARS, IF FRED AND I WENT OUT TO LOOK AT A STRUCTURE, RIGHT? FRED WILL HAVE AN OPINION. I WILL HAVE AN OPINION, AND THERE'S NO ASSURANCE THAT FRED IS RIGHT. NO ASSURANCE THAT I'M RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT A FIRE CHIEF OR FIRE CAPTAIN OR SOMEBODY OUT THERE LOOKING AT IT AND SAYS, IT APPEARS IT'S OKAY. AND THE CITY CHIEF INSPECTOR GOES OUT AND HE SAYS, IT APPEARS IT'S OKAY. AND THEN IT GOES TO THE STAFF ON DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT A PHOTOGRAPH WHICH IS NOT AS GOOD AS THE CHIEF INSPECTOR. AND THE CHIEF INSPECTOR SAYS IT APPEARS THAT IT'S OKAY. THEN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE STAFF SAYS, OKAY, IF IT APPEARS IT'S OKAY, I DON'T THINK IT IS, BUT IF IT APPEARS OKAY TO YOU GUYS, THEN IT'S OKAY. AND THEN JENNY WINDS UP SAYING, WELL, IT'S BEEN THIS WAY FOR A LONG TIME. LET'S SEND ANOTHER INSPECTOR OUT. AND THEY SAY, IT'S PROBABLY A BUILDING THAT NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN. WE'LL TAKE IT TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. AND THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO COLLAPSE OR IT'S THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURE. AND THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD MAKES THE DECISION. AND OUR DECISION IS QUOTE, SEMI-FINAL BECAUSE THE NEXT STEP IS A DISTRICT COURT. SO THE KEY WORD IN THIS WHOLE THING IS THE WORD APPEARS. UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEBODY ELSE THINKS IT APPEARS GOOD OR NOT GOOD. UH, AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE MY DECISION WHEN IT APPEARS A CERTAIN WAY. THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE FRED'S OPINION WHEN IT APPEARS A CERTAIN WAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN OUR MIND ABOUT WHAT IS AND IS NOT REALITY. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A WAY YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE OF THE WORD APPEARS. I KNOW, I, I KNOW YOU, I KNOW A LOT OF YOU CAN BE FRUSTRATED, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE SOME OF THESE HOUSES THAT ARE COMING BEFORE US. UH, I'M NOT GONNA LIE AND TELL YOU THAT THEY DON'T LOOK, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN EMERGENCY DEMOS. BUT, UH, I, I GUESS WHAT I, WHAT I'M, I'M HOPING THAT WE DO IS WE DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN IN BEING UPSET THAT, OH MY GOD, THIS PROPERTY SHOULD HAVE BEEN EMERGENCY DEMOED WHEN WE DON'T KNOW THE SITUATION IT WAS IN PRIOR TO IT BEING IN FRONT OF YOU. I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. AGAIN, WE ARE THE CABOOSE. THEY DON'T WANT TO BRING A PROPERTY TO YOU UNLESS THEY HAVE TO. WHY? BECAUSE THERE IS, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT PROPERTY'S GOING TO GET ORDERED, DEMOLISHED. THERE'S THAT POSSIBILITY. SO WHETHER IT'S, IT'S IT'S FIRE DAMAGE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THREE WALLS AND IT SHOULD BE FOUR. I'M NOT, I I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY TO YOU IS, WHEN IT COMES TO YOU, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE TRIED EVERYTHING. THEY'VE TRIED EVERYTHING THAT THEY COULD FROM FILING ADMINISTRATIVE CASES, CRIMINAL CASES, SENDING DART AFTER 'EM, TAKING 'EM, UH, [04:10:01] FILING MUNICIPAL COURT CASES, TRYING TO HAVE A A A A, SOME TYPE OF MEETING WITH THE OWNERS, SOME TYPE OF, UH, FELL INTO THE NEW HAND. SO THEY WANT TO GIVE THAT PERSON AN OPPORTUNITY WORKING WITH THEM. ALL THOSE THINGS THAT COMES IN THE FACTORS IN ALL STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER THAT STRUCTURE IS, UH, ALMOST BURNT DOWN TO THE GROUND OR JUST BECAUSE IT'S BAD. 'CAUSE IT HAS A TON OF HIGH WEEDS AND, AND NO ROOF. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO GET, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET, UH, COMPLIANCE AND GET THE THING ABATED. IF THEY CAN'T, IT'S COMING TO THE CABOOSE, WHICH WOULD BE B, S B. AND WITH THAT IS THE PRESENTER OF THIS PART, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME STILL ON THE LINE. YES, SIR. LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING. ON THE 12 STEPS THAT'S REQUIRED, HOW LONG IS THAT? IS THERE A TIME LIMIT ON THOSE STEPS OR IT'S NOT A TIME LIMIT? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? MR. THE, THE, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT FROM THE TIME THE FIRST STEP STARTS TO THE 12 STEPS, OR IS IT JUST UNTIL IT'S DONE, LIKE MONTHS LATER? 96 HOURS TOAND 96 HOURS FROM COM FROM SIGNING OF THE AFFIDAVIT TO COMPLETION. AND THEN AFTER THAT IS WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE GOES INTO PLACE. NO, NINE, SIX HOURS FROM WHEN THE AFFIDAVIT IS SIGNED. THAT IS WHEN THE WHOLE PROCEDURE IS. IT'S FROM START TO FINISH, FROM THE TIME OF WEEK WE GOT IT SIGNED. ALL THE PROCESS OF THE PAPERWORK, THEY GOT TILE SEARCH, UH, COORDINATION OF THE CONTRACT OR THE C P SS DISCONNECT. THAT'S ALL COMPLETED WITHIN 96 HOURS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, ONCE YOU GET ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE DONE, THEN IT'S THEN AFTER, LET'S SAY, UH, STEP 13, THE 97TH HOUR, THEN ACTUALLY A DEMOLITION CREW CAN COME IN THERE AND DEMO IT, CORRECT? NO SIR. 96 HOURS, THAT IS OUR DEADLINE. THE, THE STRUCTURE WILL BE DOWN BY THE NINE, SIX HOURS OR SO. THEY DON'T HAVE A 96 HOUR GRACE PERIOD TO APPEAL IT. NO, SIR. IT, IT'S NINE, SIX HOURS FROM WHEN SIGNING UP THE AFFIDAVIT TO THE COMPLETION. THAT IS THE ORDINANCE. AND IF THEY CHALLENGE IT, HOW DO THEY DO IT? MUNICIPAL COURT? LIKE IF YOU'RE IN STEP ONE, ERIC, THEY COULD PROVIDE AN ENGINEER'S LETTER, MR. ANDES OR A RESTRAINING ORDER, RIGHT? IT'S NOT COURT, IT'S NOT ADMINIS COURT. I I WANNA SAY DISTRICT COURT. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THEY WANT TO CHALLENGE IT. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO IT CAN GO INTO A DISTRICT COURT, THEY CAN CHALLENGE IT WITHIN THE 96 HOUR PERIOD OR PROVIDE AN ENGINEERS LETTER, ARE STATED THAT THE STRUCTURE IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND. OKAY. AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN'T CON CONDEMN THAT OR, OR WE WON'T . WELL, IF, IF THERE'S A, YEAH, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE IS A ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT SAYS IT'S STRUCTURALLY SOUND, THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW THE OWNER TO RELY ON THAT. AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, YEAH, AN ENGINEERS REPORT SAID IT WAS GOOD AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA, NOW HERE'S THE NEXT PART BEFORE IT COMES TO US. YOU GUYS GIVE THEM HOW LONG, I GUESS THIS WILL GO TO JENNY. HOW LONG WILL IT BE GIVEN FROM THAT TO WHENEVER SUPPOSEDLY. ARE THEY, IT COMES TO YOU GUYS? NO, I I'M ASKING ARE THEY, THEY'RE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT ANY ISSUES FROM THE TIME THEY GIVE YOU THE ENGINEER'S REPORT TO HOW LONG BEFORE IT GOES TO THE NEXT STEP? ARE THEY GIVEN IT MIGHT DEPEND ON WHATEVER THE NEXT STEP IS. I MEAN, IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS, RIGHT? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY THEY DECIDED THAT THEY ARE, UH, THEY'VE DETERMINED THAT THE PROPERTY IS A DANGEROUS OR EMERGENCY DEMO AND THE OWNER DOESN'T WANT IT TO BE DONE, THEN HE CAN FILE HIS, HIS CASE. IF THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT CALLING AN EMERGENCY DEMO AND DECIDE NOT TO, UM, IT, IT COULD GO ON A VARIOUS TRACK. I MEAN, IT JUST, IT JUST DEPENDS. IT, IT, IT, THERE'S TOO MANY FACTORS FOR US TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS. WELL, I I'M ASSUMING THAT, LET'S SAY THEY GET THEIR ENGINEER'S REPORT ON STEP TWO, WHATEVER IT IS, WITHIN THE 96 HOURS. OKAY. ARE THEY GIVEN A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO ANY REPAIRS OR TO, OR ARE THEY JUST GIVEN OPEN TIME TO THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA, THEY'RE, I WOULD PROBABLY CALL IT REASONABLE TIME, RIGHT? IF THEY HAVE AN, IF THEY HAVE AN ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT SAYS, NO, MAN, IT'S NOT AN, THIS DOESN'T NEED AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION, THEN THE TIMELINES IT WOULD SEEM TO ME WOULD PROBABLY BE MOOT. NOT THAT THEY CAN JUST LEAVE IT THERE, BUT WE'RE NO LONGER THE 96 HOURS YOU HAVE AN ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT'S BACKING UP THE FACT THAT THIS HOUSE IS STILL STRUCTURALLY OKAY, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE EMERGENCY DEMO. IT STILL HAS SOME DAMAGE IT NEEDS TO GET FIXED. AND I'M SURE CODE IS GOING TO GIVE THEM SOME TIME TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS. UH, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ON A, A BIG, BIG TIME CRUNCH. THE TIME CRUNCH IS THERE DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT WAS CONSIDERED AN EMERGENCY DEMO ONCE THEY'VE, SO THAT'S [04:15:01] WHAT I'M ASKING. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE WE'RE, WHERE THE BIG DISCONNECT IS ON EVERYBODY. 'CAUSE WE SEE 12 STEPS, BUT WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING AFTER THE 12 STEPS, LIKE AFTER THAT. AND THEN IT COMES TO THE BOARD. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? WELL, WELL, MR. ADAM, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, THE 12 STEPS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO YOU HERE ARE FOR AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION. SO AFTER THE 12 STEPS, SIR, THE STRUCTURE IS DEMOLISHED. BUT AGAIN, THERE WILL BE TIMES WHERE THERE'LL BE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE MAYBE AN ENGINEERING REPORT WAS PRESENTED OR A T R O WAS PRESENTED, SOME TYPE OF SITUATION. THERE'S JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT REASONS THAT MAYBE IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE DEMOLITION, THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION PROCESS. BUT THIS IS A PRESENTATION FOR EMERGENCY DEMOLITION AND AFTER NINE, SIX HOURS, 12 STEPS, THAT IS IT. THAT STRUCTURE IS DOWN. WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE, AND IT GOES BACK TO THE SAME CIRCLE WE'VE ALREADY WENT AROUND. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, MOVING ON. WHAT'S NEXT ON THE AGENDA? UH, JUDY? YES. WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION OF THE ROLES OF THE VACANT LOT CONTRACTORS. I'M SORRY, THE PRESENTATION OF WHAT? THE ROLES OF THE VACANT LOT CONTRACTORS. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY DOING TODAY. THIS ISN'T GONNA BE AS EXCITING AS ALL THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD TODAY, BUT I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO MAKE IT THAT EXCITED. ALRIGHT. UH, HELLO EVERYBODY. MY NAME'S MICHAEL RUSTY, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CODE ENFORCEMENT SECTION. I HEARD THAT Y'ALL WANTED TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE ROLES OF THE VACANT LOCK CONTRACTOR. SO PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE VACANT LOCK, UH, LITTLE POWER PRESENTA, A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, VERY SHORT, SWEET, AND TO THE POINT. SO ARE THE RULES OF OUR VACANT LOT CONTRACTORS? WELL, I PUT A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE, UH, DIRECTLY FROM, UH, SOME OF OUR CONTRACTS. I, UH, EDITED A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU SEE IN THE CONTRACT. UM, PROPRIETARY REASON. UH, BUT IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER THAT TO BUY BY THE CITY'S NOTIFICATION, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOLLOWING DUE PROCESS AND AT THE OWNER'S EXPENSE WILL TAKE THE NECESSARY ACTION TO MOW ANY EXCESSIVE VEGETATION AND REMOVE ANY DEBRIS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT OUR VACANT LOCK CONTRACTORS, UH, DO. UH, NEXT PLEASE. WE MIGHT CAN. OH, YOU GO. UH, SO WELL, WHAT DO THEY DO? RIGHT? LIKE, COME ON, MIKE, TELL ME. WELL, THE DESCRIPTION OF THESE SERVICES DESCRIBED IN THE WORK ORDER, SO NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS OUR OFFICERS SUBMIT A WORK ORDER. SO WHAT'S THE WORK ORDER? THE WORK ORDER'S A PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAYS, HEY, I NEED YOU TO CUT AND CLEAN THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? WELL, NORMALLY THAT'S JUST ENTAILS CUTTING THE GRASS AND PICKING UP THE TRASH. IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMPLE. UM, SO THEY GET THE WORK ORDER AND THEY COME IN, LIKE I SAID, CUT THE GRASS, MOW THE WEEDS, AND REMOVE ANY, UH, REMOVE AND ILLEGALLY DISPOSE OF ANY TRASH, BRUSH, TREE, LIMBS, GRASS, WEEDS, UH, YOU NAME IT AS REQUIRED. AND, UH, SOMETIMES ROCKS. NOW, NO, YOU CAN SAY, HEY MIKE. UM, THEY HAD A BIG ROCK OUT THERE, WHY DIDN'T Y'ALL DISPOSE OF IT? WELL, ROCKS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE FROM THE EARTH, RIGHT? SO SOMEBODY ILLEGALLY DUMPED IT, THEN WE'LL LOOK AT IT. UM, BUT IT HAS TO BE SPECIFICALLY CARVED OUT IN THE WARP ORDER TO BE DISPOSED OF. SO NORMALLY THEY JUST DO, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? WE, WE DEAL WITH, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STANDARDS, RIGHT? MINIMUM HOUSING. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY MAKE SURE THAT MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. THEY DON'T GO IN AND MANICURE IT, THEY CUT AND CLEAN IT. SO, UH, ONCE THE WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED, A CODE OFFICER VERIFIES THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE. THEY GO OUT THERE, ACTUALLY, THEY TAKE SOME PHOTOS, RIGHT? AND THEY PROCESS THE WORK ORDER FOR PAYMENT. SO THIS WORK CAN'T BE DONE UNLESS, UM, THIS WORK CAN'T BE PAID UNLESS THE OFFICER DOES CONFIRM THE WORK WAS DONE. UH, NOTE WE HAVE HAD INSTANCES WHERE CONTRACTORS SAY, I'M DONE, BUT THEY, UH, DIDN'T DO THE WORK UP TO, UH, PAR. WE'LL JUST SAY THAT. UH, SO WE HAD TO HAVE 'EM GO OUT THERE AND CLEAN IT UP. AND WE HAVE HAD TO, UH, SOMETIMES ASSIGN, YOU KNOW, A NEW CONTRACTOR. UM, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CONTRACTS NOW SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THEY COME, THEY COMPLY WITH ALL THE CITY CODES AND FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS. THEY FAIL TO DO IT. THEY DON'T WANNA DO IT. UH, WE CAN GET A NEW ONE OR WE CAN GET RID OF 'EM, RIGHT? SO IF THEY DON'T CON CONTINUALLY UNSATISFACTORILY DO THE WORK, UM, THAT WE WON'T PAY IT AND THERE'LL BE REPERCUSSIONS TAKEN UPON THEM. BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. NEXT SLIDE. UH, BUT WE MOW RIGHT TO A HEIGHT, UH, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE LESS THAN THREE INCHES, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE NOTHING BUT DIRT ON THE FLOOR. SO WE, WE UH, WE CUT THE, WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR CUT THE GRASS, UM, UH, YOU SEE HERE. AND THEY, UH, THEY USUALLY GO AHEAD AND THEY, THEY REMOVE RIGHT? ANY, ANY TRIMMING THAT THEY HAVE. UM, BUT THEY, THOSE TRIMMINGS CAN'T BE ON SIDEWALKS AND IN GUTTERS RIGHT? YOU SOMETIMES SEE PEOPLE DOING IT INTO THE STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. UM, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP IT CLEAN, CUT AND CLEAN AND THEY CAN USE EXTREME CARE, OF COURSE, MUST BE TAKEN AT ALL TIMES BY OUR CONTRACTORS [04:20:01] WHO HAVE INSURANCE. UM, TO GO AHEAD AND PREVENT INJURY TO PROPERTY DAMAGE RES MUST BE LEFT IN CLEAN CONDITION. THEY CAN'T JUST GO OVER TO THE VACANT LOT, CUT THE VACANT LOT WITH ALL THE TRASH IN IT AND HAVE IT SPRAY EVERYWHERE. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. THEY HAVE TO PICK UP THE TRASH FIRST AND THEN CUT IT. BUT THEY CUT TRASH AND THEY GOTTA PICK UP THE TRASH AFTERWARDS. AND OUR OFFICERS, AGAIN, THEY, THEY CHECK THE THINGS. I KNOW WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS, MIKE, THAT TREE LOOKS UGLY, BUT WE CAN'T JUST CUT DOWN A TREE BECAUSE SOMEBODY NEEDS TO W RIGHT? UM, WE CAN'T DO IT. WE CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS WE GET PRIOR WRITTEN AUTHORIZATION PROVIDED BY, UH, THE CITY ARBORISTS. SO THE CITY ARBORIST HAS TO GIVE US A REASON FOR REMOVING THE TREE. SOMETIMES WE'LL MOVE SOME UNDER, UH, SOME UNDERBRUSH, RIGHT? THERE'S SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME, SOME TALL WEEDS OR WHATEVER THE UNDERGROWTH IS AROUND THE TREE OR TRIM THE TREE UP A LITTLE BIT. OF COURSE, BECAUSE ALL OUR CONTRACTORS HAVE THE TREE LICENSE, AS YOU SEE DOWN BELOW, THEY ALL HAVE TO HAVE THAT SPECIAL TREE LICENSE AND KNOW HOW TO DO IT. SO IF THEY DO THAT, WE ASK 'EM TO PROPERLY MAINTAIN IT. AND WE DO ASK 'EM TO DO THAT FOR THE TREES BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE HOMELESS LIKE TO HANG OUT THERE OR THAT'S WHERE YOUR, THE BAD POPULATION'S RIGHT? OR YOUR TROUBLEMAKERS MIGHT WANT TO HANG OUT. UH, SO WE DO TRY TO MAINTAIN IT. WE JUST CAN'T CUT DOWN THE TREE BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS US TO. CITY ARBOR HAS TO OKAY IT NORMALLY, IF IT'S DEAD, DISEASED OR DYING, UH, THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ABATE IT. UH, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, WE WON'T NEED TO CONTACT THE CITY ARBORIST. I ONCE, UH, PULLED UP TO A TREE, UH, MYSELF AND IT LOOKED LIKE A ZEBRA, RIGHT? THE PATTERN ON IT. AND I STU SENT THE PICTURE TO THE ARBORIST AND HE IS LIKE, THAT'S CLEARLY DISEASED AND DEAD. YOU, YOU CAN TELL THE HOMEOWNER COULD GO AHEAD AND GET RID OF IT. SO, UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY TO THE, TO THE RAYMOND, LIKE THE TREE IS DEAD OR, UH, IS DEAD, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT WE ALWAYS GO AND GET THE CITY OF ARBORIST, UM, PERMISSION BECAUSE THESE TREES ARE LARGE. WE DON'T WANT TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, GIVE ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, PERMISSION OR HAVE A CONTRACTOR CUT A TREE WITHOUT HAVING THAT AUTHORIZATION. 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA UPSET THE, UH, OR WE DON'T WANT TO UPSET ANYBODY WHO, UM, OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY OR BREAK OUR OWN LAWS. UM, BUT, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS A SHORT PRESENTATION AND THEN WE GOT SOME CONTRACTOR, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ON VACANT LOT CONTRACTORS. SO COME ON. THIS IS DWAYNE NELSON. EVELYN AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT TREES VERSUS BUSHES. UH, AND YOUR PRESENTATION TALKS ABOUT TREES. IF YOU'VE GOT A TEXAS SAGE THAT IS SIX FOOT TALL MM-HMM. , UH, AND IT'S, UH, ALONG A FENCE ROW, IS THAT A TREE OR IS THAT A BUSH? AND DO YOU CUT IT DOWN AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TREE? DEFINE TREES FOR ME, I GUESS, WELL, I'D HAVE TO LOOK UP THE EXACT DEFINITION, BUT IF I LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A TREE, WE NORMALLY TELL OUR OFFICERS, YOU DON'T CUT IT. YOU NEED TO GET THE CITY ARBORIST TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, GET PERMISSION TO MOVE IT DOWN BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE THE TREES, RIGHT? WE WANT THE TREES TO PURIFIER AIR. UM, AND, AND IT, AND IT HELPS THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO KEEP AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN IN OUR CITY ARBOR. AND OUR COAT IS, IS PASSED LIKE THAT. SO IF IT'S OBVIOUSLY A BUSH OR A SHRUB, UH, NORMALLY, WE'LL, WE'LL TRIM THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE JUST DON'T GO CLEAR CUTTING LOTS BECAUSE, UM, THEY'RE SMALL TREES. SEPARATE QUESTION FOR YOU. I'M DEALING WITH A HOMEOWNER WHO HAS A PILE OF BRUSH THAT'S, UH, COMBINATION OF TREES AND SHRUBS THAT HAVE BEEN CUT AND ALSO EVEN DOWN TO SUN FLOWERING PLANTS THAT HAVE BEEN CUT. HE'S GOT IT PILED IN THE BACK OF HIS LOT. AND THE ONLY THING IN OUR COLD RESTRICTIONS IS THE WORD RUBBISH. IS THAT PILE RUBBISH BASED ON THE CITY'S DEFINITION? WELL, UH, RUBBISH CAN BE ANYTHING THAT WAS, UH, THROWN AWAY OR DISCARDED AND THEN NO LONGER BEING USED. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BOTH BRUSH RUBBISH, TRASH OR DEBRIS. IT PROBABLY CAN, YOU KNOW, BE ACCUMULATED INTO THAT. IF HE'S DISCARDED IT AND HE IS NO LONGER USING IT, AND IT COULD, HE COULD, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED THAT. NOW, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, I KNOW A LOT OF THE TIMES, SOMETIMES IF IT'S IN THE BACKYARD WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF PRIVACY FENCE. UM, BUT AS LONG AS WE CAN GET BACK THERE, OBSERVE IT, SEE IT, THEN WE, WE CAN, UM, SEND A NOTICE AND HAVE THEM, UH, REMOVE IT. STOP NOW BECAUSE YOU GAVE ME THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. HEY, THIS IS FRED ANIS. I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. WE HAD A COUPLE OF CASES FOR ABATEMENT, LAWN, VACANT LOTS, AND SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS DIDN'T PICK UP THE BRUSH AND DEBRIS, THEY JUST CUT THE GRASS AND LEFT. SO IN THAT CASE, AND THE CODE OFFICER TOOK PICTURES BEFORE AND AFTER AND SHOWED THE PICTURES OF THE BRUSH WHEN IT WAS HIGH GRASS, AND THEN WHEN IT WAS LOW GRASS AND THE BRUSH AND ROCKS WERE STILL IN THERE, WHO AT THAT TIME GETS THAT CONTRACTOR? 'CAUSE ON YOUR, PER YOUR OTHER SLIDE SHOW, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO CLEAN THAT LOT, CORRECT? WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU DO HAVE THAT HAPPEN, PLEASE LET US KNOW, UH, WHAT ADDRESSES THOSE ARE SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND REVIEW THOSE CASES. LIKE I SAID, ROCKS ARE NATURALLY THERE, BUT IF SOMEBODY LEGALLY DUMPS THEM, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. BUT THEN AGAIN, [04:25:01] UH, ROCKS ARE KIND OF CONSIDERED CLEAN FILL. SO UNLESS IT'S UP A LOT OF THEM AND THEY'RE LIKE REALLY, UM, LIKE LET'S SAY A CONSTRUCTION SITE WOULDN'T HAVE BACKED UP A WHOLE 18 WHEELER, RIGHT? THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT IF IT'S JUST A FEW ROCKS, WE, WE DON'T THROW AWAY ROCKS WHERE ROCKS ARE, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF THE EARTH, THEY'RE GONNA STAY THERE. NOW, UH, FOR THE BRUSH THOUGH, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THAT SITUATION IN ISOLATION TO LOOK AT IT. I, I TOLD YOU WHAT OUR NORMAL PRO PROCESS IS, SO IF YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS, UM, LET US KNOW SO WE CAN LOOK IT UP AND UH, WE CAN UH, Q C R IT, RIGHT? DO A QUALITY CONTROL REVIEW TO SEE IF EVERYTHING IS FOLLOWED. BUT CAN THE DAKOTA OFFICER, WHEN WE SEE NO SLIDES PRESENTED TO US, THE DEBRIS WAS THERE, WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BEFORE. WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REMOVAL OF THAT ON THE BOARD DURING THE CASE? NOW, CAN THE CODE OFFICER RECOMMEND THAT CONTRACTOR GO BACK OUT AND CLEAN? OR DOES THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE DIFFERENT CHANNEL? NO, SIR. IF THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T COMPLY WITH THE WORK ORDER, AS I STATED IN MY PRESENTATION, THEN THE OFFICER DOESN'T HAVE TO APPROVE IT. HE CAN HAVE THE CONTRACT TO GO BACK OUT TO REMOVE IT. OKAY. BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN THAT ON SOME SLIDES. THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO, YEP. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MS. GUI HERE? I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE GOING OFF OF WHAT MR. AND JUST SAID, WHAT IS THE COMPLETE PROCESS TO DO THAT? SO IF WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT GOES OUT THERE, THEY DON'T COMPLETE THE JOB AND WE CAN GET WITH THE CODE OFFICER, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE FORMAL PROCESS IS BECAUSE NOW THAT CASE HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE US TO MAKE A DECISION. SO WE'RE AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE A DECISION. SO HOW DO WE CIR YOU KNOW, CIRCLE BACK TO THAT. OKAY. WELL, NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS IF IT'S BEEN ABATED AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE CASE IN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, NORMALLY WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS YOU WOULD GIVE US THE ADDRESS, LET US KNOW THE LOCATION, AND ASK US TO DO A ASK US RIGHT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AND WE WOULD ASK THE SUPERVISOR TO DO A QUALITY CONTROL REVIEW. WE WOULD GO OUT, WE WOULD LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, RIGHT? WE WOULD LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, TAKING THE INITIAL PHOTOS, THE BEFORE PHOTOS, AND THEN THE AFTER PHOTOS WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE WHAT THE VACANT LOT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED FOR WHAT THE WORK ORDER SAID AND, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THAT BRUSH WAS IN IT. UH, SO IF BRUSH WAS IN IT AND THEY DIDN'T REMOVE IT AND THERE WAS STILL BRUSH THERE, WE MAY HAVE AN ISSUE. UM, IF, UH, BRUSH WASN'T IN IT AND THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T REMOVE IT, THEN WE COMPLETED THE WORK AS AS TO WHAT THE WORK ORDER SAID. BUT THEN AGAIN, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT CASE THAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THAT IN ISOLATION TO SEE IF WE COULD, UH, DO A Q C R AND THAT LOOK AT THE ISSUE AND ADDRESS IT. YEAH. 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY RULED ON IT. BUT YEAH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, I'M TALKING ABOUT BRUSH STUFF THAT YOU CUT DOWN AND THAT'S THROWN, RIGHT? WHEN I TALK ABOUT BRUSH BRUSHES, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE CUT DOWN, THROWN AWAY AND IT, IT'S GONNA BE DISCARDED, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CONTRACTOR ACTUALLY DID. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BRUSH AS AN UNDER UNDERBRUSH. SO WE NORMALLY WON'T UNDER, UNLESS WE GET A, UM, THAT VAGRANTS ARE HANGING NESS ARE HANGING OUT. SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDERBRUSH, THAT'S ACTUALLY A ALIVE GROWING OF TREES. WE WON'T GO AND CUT THAT. WE, WE NORMALLY LEAVE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, I MEAN, WE WOULD BE CUTTING ALL THE WOODS RIGHT? IN SAN ANTONIO. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AND LET THE WOODS THEY GROW, RIGHT? NATURAL AREA. UM, SO IF THERE'S UNDER BRUSH AND YOU'RE HAVING AN ISSUE, LET US KNOW SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE IT INTO THE WORK ORDER. SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT BRUSH, WE MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS. MY TERM IS WE CUT IT, IT'S DEAD, WE'RE DISPOSING OF THIS. AND ANOTHER TERM IS, IT'S ALIVE, IT'S GROWING, IT'S UNDER A TREE. I CALL THAT UNDERBRUSH FROM TREE. IT'S UNDERBRUSH FROM A TREE, LIKE A BUNCH OF SHRUBS AND STUFF. AND YOU WANT TO CUT IT DOWN. YOU HAVE TO LET THE, UH, THE OFFICER KNOW, RIGHT? AND THEN WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THE WORK ORDER AND WE CAN SAY, WELL, WHY DO YOU WANT STICK TO IT DOWN? WELL, MIKE, BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF HOMELESS PEOPLE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY JUST BUSTED, YOU KNOW, SOME DRUG DEALERS THERE THE OTHER DAY, OR THERE'S SOME KIDS WHO HANG OUT THERE AND THEY'RE DOING SOME CRAZY STUFF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I DON'T KNOW. UH, LET US KNOW IF YOU WANT US TO CUT THAT UNDERBRUSH AND WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT THAT IN THE WORK ORDER SO WE CAN DISPOSE OF IT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THE PROCESS OF IF WE FIND A CASE THAT'S PRESENTED TO US AND THEY DIDN'T, WE FEEL THAT THE CON CONTRACTOR DIDN'T COMPLETE THE JOB, THEN WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS? THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO CLARIFY, BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO COORDINATE TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. NORMALLY YOU WOULD SEND IT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF THE AREA OR ONE OF THE MANAGERS. OF COURSE ONE OF US. WE WOULD SEND IT TO THE STAFF. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO THAT FOR THEM TO HAVE DO WITH Q C R TO SEE IF EVERYTHING WAS DONE AT THIS MONTH. IF IT WASN'T, WE'D ADDRESS THE ISSUE PROPERLY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MICHAEL. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY, JUDY, OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS HERE. YES, IT'S THE B AND S B ORDERS AND ACTIONS. [04:30:03] UH, THIS IS THE B S B ORDERS AND ACTIONS. THIS IS . UH, SO I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THIS IS, OBVIOUSLY, I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. UH, THIS IS SUMMER OF WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE FISCAL YEAR. SO IF YOU REVIEW IT, UM, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE NUMBERS, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURE CASES, RIGHT? THAT GONE BEFORE, UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, THIS BOARD, RIGHT? UH, IT SAYS, IT SAYS 81, YOU KEEP GOING DOWN. NUMBER OF TOTAL S A P M C CASES SIGNED, ANTONIO, A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE CASES, UH, 73, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, UH, SUMMARY OF BASEMENT APPEAL CASES BY, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE YOUR TOTAL NUMBER OF, UH, CASES, UH, ACTIONS AND ORDERS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN OUT BY THE, UH, DIFFERENT BOARD. SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, TOTAL BOARD, THE BOARD AND THE PANEL TOTAL COME OUT TO 2 0 2. SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAD C OVID 19 THIS YEAR, UM, IT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE HEARING A LOT OF THESE CASES DUE TO THE NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE, UH, THESE, THESE NEW, LIKE NEW MEETINGS OVER, OVER THE INTERNET. SO WE WERE STILL ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND GET A LOT OF THINGS PASSED. I KNOW IT WAS SLOW IN THE BEGINNING. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD PLAYING CATCH UP, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND TRY TO GET USED TO MORE OF THIS ONLINE INTERACTION. UH, NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN USED TO IT, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE CONTINUING UNTIL C OVID 19 IS HOPEFULLY OVER AND WE'RE ALL ABLE TO, UH, COME BACK TO SOME TIME TYPE OF NEW NORMAL. BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR, THIS IS A, A NEW NORMAL. SO, UM, WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO. GREAT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL. HAVE A GOOD DAY, . OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE THE BS PENALTY REPORT TO BE PRESENTED BY DANNY. WE, MIGUEL. DANNY, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? I SEE HIM THERE. HE MAY HAVE SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. HEY JUDY, I THINK HE JUST LOST A CONNECTION. UH, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO READ THROUGH THESE? SURE. THIS IS JUST THE B S B PENALTY REPORT FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2019 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. UH, JUST TO SHOW THAT THEY WERE NOT, WE DID NOT INVOICE ANY CUSTOMERS FOR ANY FINES ASSESSED OR FOR ANY NON-COMPLIANCE FINES. THERE WERE TWO CASES WHERE THE BOARD DID ISSUE NON-COMPLIANCE PENALTIES, BUT THE OWNER DID COMPLY. THE STAFF DID NOT HAVE TO ISSUE ANY, UH, INVOICES THIS YEAR HERE. YAY . SO THAT WAS ZERO PENALTIES ASSESS. THE NEXT PRESENTATION IS B C CASES BY COUNCIL DISTRICT AND THIS IS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, OCTOBER 1ST, 2019 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020. AND WE DO HAVE A TOTAL NUMBER OF CASES OF 202 BROKEN DOWN BY EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT AND WITH THE PERCENTAGE OF CASES, IT'S ALSO DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF DANGEROUS PREMISES. THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES, ABATEMENT, APPEALS, THE NUMBER OF EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS AND WHOLE HOMELESS AGREEMENTS. WE ALSO HAVE A CHART WITH THE NUMBER OF PROACTIVE AND REACTIVE CASES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. SO OUT OF THOSE 202 CASES, WE DO HAVE 95% OF THOSE CASES WERE PROACTIVE AND 5% WERE REACTIVE, WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY CALLED IN. AND WE ALSO HAVE THIS BROKEN DOWN BY THE DISTRICT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I GOT A QUESTION. I GOT A QUESTION ON YOUR FIRST SLIDE. CAN YOU, CAN YOU SPELL IT? OKAY, [04:35:02] I'M GONNA USE DISTRICT FIVE. DISTRICT FIVE AS AN EXAMPLE, HAS OF ISSUES IS 98 ACROSS THEIRS. DISTRICT FIVE I KNOW IS AN OLDER DISTRICT. IS THE CITY LOOKING AT THAT AND SEEING IF THEY CAN PUT MONEY INTO SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS SO THEY DON'T BECOME ON OUR BOARD? OR HAS THE MONEY ALREADY BEEN USED UP IN OTHER PROGRAMS? MR. ANDES? UM, THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF OUR DEPARTMENT WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. UM, I KNOW, UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS, EITHER D H S OR UH, NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES DOES HAVE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT PRIVY TO WHAT THEIR, THEIR BUDGETING IS AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME DISTRICT FIVE IS THE BIGGEST ONE ON THE THING EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING. AND I, I I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SEE IF IS, IS THE CITY TRYING TO DO SOME TYPE OF PREVENTIVE BEFORE THEY END UP IN THE BOARD AND I GUESS SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, CAN THAT BE FOUND OUT? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT ONE'S GETTING HIT HARD ON THE SECOND PART OF THE SLIDE. IF YOU GO DOWN AND SCROLL DOWN, 67 PERCENTAGE, THAT MEANS THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT PARTICIPATING IN DISTRICT SEVEN OR IS THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TO REPORT. 'CAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE IS 96 OR OR 90 AND ABOVE. AND THEN WE GOT DISTRICT SEVEN AT SIX TO SEVEN. I'M NOT, I GUESS I'M, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT, IS IT REPORTING OR LOOK AT THE RAW NUMBER? THE RAW NUMBERS ARE NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE PERCENTAGE. YEAH, IT'S THREE CASES. WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU GOT THREE CASES THAT SHOULD BE ALMOST, IT SHOULD BE HIGHER THAN 67. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT NUMBER AND WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN THE NINETIES. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE. YOU, YOU DO KNOW THAT 67% WOULD BE OF THAT NUMBER WOULD BE ONE. RIGHT? SO ONE NUM, ONE CASE WAS REACTIVE AS POSTED AS TWO THAT WERE PROACTIVE. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY IT'S 67%. FOR THE TWO CASES THAT WERE PROACTIVE, LIKE OUT OF THE THREE CASES THAT CODE HAS BEEN ABLE TO FIND IN, IN DISTRICT SEVEN, THEY WERE PROACTIVE, TWO OF THEM WERE PROACTIVE, CODE FOUND THEM, WENT OUT AND LOOKED FOR THEM AND, AND FOUND THAT CASE. THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHT, THANKS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THIS SLIDE HERE? OKAY, WHAT'S NEXT ON THE LIST HERE? OH, OUR MEETINGS FOR NEXT YEAR? OKAY. YES MA'AM. BOARD MEMBERS, JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, GENERAL SCHEDULE FOR THE COMING YEAR, UM, WE JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE, HAVE IT AVAILABLE. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE A DETERMINATION AT THIS TIME. IF WE WILL BE MOVING BACK TO IN-PERSON. THERE IS NO DATE OR TIME SET OF, UH, WHEN THEY MAY OCCUR. UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A OVERALL CITY CITYWIDE DECISION, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. YEAH. BUT THAT HAS NOT SLOWED US DOWN. SO WE DO KEEP THE, WE WILL BE KEEPING THESE SCHEDULES, UM, AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN KEEP THEM, UH, SCHEDULED OUT UNDER, UH, KNOWING THE GENERAL DATES THAT WE WILL BE MEETING. UM, WE HAVE OUR FULL, OUR NEXT FULL BOARD MEETING, UM, IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR MAY 20TH AS WELL. BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S, UH, AS A MEAN, OUR, OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR HAD MENTIONED EARLIER. I MEAN, WE CAN ONLY THANK YOU GUYS, UH, FOR YOUR COORDINATION AND COOPERATION. UM, I KNOW THESE HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN CHALLENGING TIMES, UH, WORKING DIGITALLY WORKING THROUGH THESE WEBEXES. UH, BUT THEY HAVE PROVEN SUCCESSFUL THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UH, KEEP A QUORUM AND, UH, KEEP THESE CASES MOVING ALONG. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT, IT'S BEEN AMAZING THE ATTENDANCE, UM, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE. WE NEVER HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A QUORUM AND I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW THESE ARE SOMETIMES CAN GET LONG. LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WE GOT ON HERE AT NINE, IT'S TWO 15. OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOU. I REALLY DO. [04:40:03] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LOVE REPRESENTING YOU GUYS. , THIS IS THE, UH, IS THE SLIDE OF THE CURRENT PANELS, H A PANEL B I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME. UH, YEAH, THESE ARE THE CURRENT, UH, BREAKOUTS FOR PANEL A, PANEL B. UM, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE MAKING ANY CHANGES. I THINK THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH SET, BUT UH, MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE. UM, UNLESS I GUESS THE CHAIR, THE NEW CHAIRS, UH, THOSE WILL NEED TO CHANGE. BUT MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT SO FAR. JUDY, WHO'S JORGE GOMEZ? IS HE NEW? YES, WE DO HAVE A NEW APPOINTMENT, UM, FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT 10. MR. COUNCILMAN PERRY? UM, HE JUST, HE WAS JUST APPROVED AT THE COUNCIL SESSION ON NOVEMBER 5TH. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE, UM, MAYBE BY NEXT MONTH THAT WE'LL GET THEM INTO OUR B S B HEARINGS OR AT LEAST ATTEND A TRAINING SESSION. YEAH, JUST LET ME KNOW. WE CAN GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. WILL DO. THANK YOU. AND BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS JUST A QUICK SLIDE TO SHOW OUR PERCENTAGE OF ATTENDANCE FOR OUR DIFFERENT PANEL MEMBERS AND OUR DIFFERENT MEMBERS AT LARGE. UM, AGAIN, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE BOARD HEARINGS, WE ARE VERY, VERY THANKFUL AND VERY APPRECIATIVE. UM, THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT HEARINGS. UH, IT TAKES A LOT TO, TO GET THEM SCHEDULED. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND FROM A PUBLICATION TITLE SEARCHES, NOTIFICATIONS. SO, UM, WE ARE VERY THANKFUL, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS PAST YEAR WE HAVE NOT HAD TO CANCEL ANY FOR LACK OF ATTENDANCE. SO THAT IS VERY APPRECIATIVE, UM, THROUGH THAT COORDINATION. IT'S, IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL FOR OUR PART. MS. MARS, I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M WONDERING HOW ATTENDANCE WAS TAKEN ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THIS. UM, ARE YOU BASING IT OFF THE PANEL THAT WE'RE ASSIGNED TO OUR ATTENDANCE OR JUST OVERALL ATTENDANCE? YES, IT IS. IT'S BASED ON THE PANEL THAT YOU ARE ASSIGNED TO. SO PANEL A HAD NINE MEETINGS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. PANEL B HAD 10, UH, PLUS ONE BACK IN DECEMBER. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE, UH, MS. HILLARY, THERE WAS ONE MEETING THAT, UM, I DIDN'T ATTEND, BUT THAT WASN'T MY PANEL, BUT OKAY. HEY, WE NEED TO RECOUNT ARY MAN. SHE WANTS TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT. GIVE HER THAT A HUNDRED, GIVE HER THAT HONEY . NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT THAT. I USUALLY ATTEND MOST, MOST PANELS, BUT UM, I THINK THE ONE THAT I DIDN'T ATTEND, IT WASN'T MY PANEL ANYWHERE. YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GONNA HAVE 'EM RECOUNT THAT ALL THOSE DISCOUNT. WELL CAN, WE CAN GIVE THAT EXTRA CREDIT FOR ATTENDING THE, THE PANELS ON YOUR OFF DAY. IT'S GONNA BE BACK TO A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT THAT WE'LL DEFINITELY REVIEW THAT. I KNOW BECAUSE MR. NELSON IS PROBABLY AT 200% FOR ALL THE PANELS THAT MS. BROWN ATTENDED AS WELL. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THE PANELS ON MINUS ON 55? I DON'T REMEMBER MISSING THAT MANY I BELIEVE, SIR, IT WAS THE BEGINNING WHEN YOU WENT INTO THE VIRTUAL HEARING WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE VIRTUAL HEARINGS BACK IN MAY. UM, THE ATTENDANCE WAS, UM, COUNTED DURING THAT TIME AS WELL. I BELIEVE THERE WAS MAYBE TWO OR THREE THAT, UM, YOU DID NOT ATTEND BECAUSE OF THE VIRTUAL HEARING. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T THINK I REMEM I I MISSED THAT MANY, TWO OR THREE, BUT I GUESS IT'S, IF YOU ONLY HAD 10 OF THEM, IT'S, I'M GONNA HAVE THEM DO A RECOUNT ON ALL. WELL, YEAH, I I BECAUSE PANEL B HAD 10 RIGHT. 10 MEETING. YEAH, WE HAD 10 MEETINGS FOR PANEL B. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO YEAH, THAT'S ALL WE NEED IS ANOTHER RECOUNT. OKAY. . WELL I WANTED TO ADD THAT I APPRECIATE SEEING THIS NUMBER BECAUSE, UM, PUTS IT INTO PERSPECTIVE. I WANT TO GET UP TO 100% NEXT YEAR, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY, WE'LL THERE, THERE WILL NOT BE AS MANY COVID 19 COMPLICATIONS WITH WORK FOR, FOR ME, SO IT SHOULD BE GOOD. PLEASE, PLEASE, WE'LL GET THERE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR 67. HEY . THANK YOU. ALMOST PASSING. ALMOST. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE IT. TYPE A PERSONALITIES ON THE BOARD, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. WE HAVE TWO [04:45:01] MEMBERS. I REMEMBER SEEING GEORGE ONCE AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, KORAN. WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER YET. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THAT? IS HE THE JUDY, IS HE THE NEW PERSON FROM DISTRICT 10 PERRAN? NO, UM, NO, PERRAN WAS APPOINTED LAST OCTOBER OF 2019. UM, SHE JUST ATTENDED TRAINING BACK IN OCTOBER OF FIFTH YEAR. SHE'S ATTENDED ONE SESSION, UM, LATE OCTOBER AND SHE IS A HEALTHCARE WORKER. SO BECAUSE OF COVID, SHE'S AN ESSENTIAL WORKER AND SHE HAS BEEN WORKING, UM, MANY LONG HOURS AND HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO JOIN ANY OF OUR SESSIONS. UM, I DID KEEP IN CONTACT WITH HER. SHE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE TODAY'S HEARING EITHER. UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT'S GOING ON, SHE IS FOCUSED ON, UM, HER EMPLOYMENT OF COURSE AT THE HOSPITAL SHE'S THERE. SHE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND ANY OTHER HEARINGS BESIDES THE, WHEN SHE ATTENDED THE HOSPITAL. SO WHAT IS BRITTON'S CLAIM TO FAME? MR. BRITTON DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO DO, TO CONDUCT OR ATTEND ANY OF THE VIRTUAL HEARINGS. SO HE HAS NOT ATTENDED ANY SINCE, UM, MAYBE FEBRUARY OR MARCH WHEN HE WAS FIRST UM, APPOINTED. SO HE DOESN'T HAVE A COMPUTER. HE MAY HAVE A COMPUTER, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS A MICROPHONE OR A CAMERA CAPABILITY. I REACHED OUT TO HIM SEVERAL TIMES AS WELL. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS ROBERT TAPIA. CAN, CAN I PUT IN FOR, UH, AN EXTRA SANDWICH SINCE I GOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ? I WORK FOR FOOD. JUDY, SURELY YOU COULD HAVE HAD SOME LUNCH DELIVERED TO US SOME KIND OF WAY. NO, WE USED TO. YEAH, THEY USED TO FEED US. I KNOW. I CAN'T WAIT TO GO BACK THE BACK IN THE DAY. CAN'T THEY USED TO FEED THE ATTORNEYS TOO? I CAN'T WAIT TO GO BACK TO THE, TO THE ACTUAL MEETINGS AND I'M GETTING HUNGRY. , . BUT YOU KNOW, JUDY, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. UH, WHAT IS IT? UH, HUB. HUB, UH, HUB. HUB OR SOMETHING. THEY DO DELIVER GRUBHUB. YEAH, THAT TOO. YEAH, THEY DO DELIVER JUDY. OKAY, THANK YOU. AFTER COVID, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DELIVERING ANYTHING TO ANYBODY. YOU KNOW WHY? STACKED RIGHT HERE. OH, LOOK AT YOU . OKAY. WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA NEXT, JUDY? BECAUSE I TOLD YOU I SIGNED DOWN THE LAST ITEM. THE LAST ITEM IS JUST TO BE THE GUIDELINES, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. IF YOU ARE, THE BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND CHANGE ANYTHING AND EAT IT. IF YOU WANNA ADD ANY UPDATES. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR, HAS IT? NO. THIS IS THE LAST ITEM ON THE EVENT. NO. GREAT. AND I BELIEVE, UH, CHAIR, THIS SIGNED BACK 28, THE LAST UPDATE. ALL RIGHT FOLKS, IS THERE ANYTHING WE WANT TO CHANGE IN THERE? IF NOT, I'M GONNA TELL JUDY TO RELEASE US. WELL, I WANTED TO ASK ONE THING THAT I TABLED WHEN I ASKED THE, UH, UM, ON THE, UM, NOTIFICATION THEY PUT ON THE DOOR ABOUT THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE. I TOLD I TABLE IT TILL MEETING THE NOTIFICATION THEY PUT ON WHAT DOOR WHEN, UH, WHEN THEY NO NOTIFIED THE PEOPLE THAT THEY, UH, PICKED THE HOME NOTICE OF EVICTION, THE ACTUAL B S B HEARING, THE MEETING. WE JUST HAD THE FIRST ONE WHERE THEY PUT A NOTICE OF, UH, VACATE. YEAH, I I I TOLD YOU I TABLE IT UNTIL WE HAD THE MEETING HERE. OKAY. [04:50:01] UH, ON MY QUESTION THERE, I WAS KIND OF, I GUESS SET BACK TO FIND OUT THE CODE CAN'T ENFORCE OR NOBODY CAN ENFORCE UNTIL IT COMES TO THE BOARD AND NOTICE OF VACATE. WELL, YEAH, I WANNA CLEAR THAT UP. YES. UH, THAT WAS A MISSTATEMENT BY THE CODE OFFICER. UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN ENFORCE NOTICES TO VACATE, UH, FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE NOTICE RESULTS IN CRIMINAL PENALTIES. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF SHOCKED AT THAT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TABLE IT TO NOW INSTEAD OF, BECAUSE WHEN I ASKED THAT, SHE ALSO SAID SHE GAVE VERBAL NOTIFICATION. SO I KIND OF, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK NOW TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON IT BECAUSE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ENFORCED. AND, AND, AND, AND SAVITA, YOU JUST, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHEN WE SAY ENFORCE FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THAT NOTICE TO VACATE FILING CRIMINAL CASES, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE ARE GOING TO PULL THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE OUTTA YEAH. WE DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO PULL THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE. UM, WE CAN ONLY KEEP CITING THEM FOR FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE VACATE ORDER. AND THEN IF THEY GO TO COURT OR IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP AT COURT, THEN THEY COULD BE ARRESTED BASED ON A WARRANT. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID I'LL TABLE IT NOW. COULD, IT JUST DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT WHEN SHE SAID THERE WAS NOTHING THAT THEY COULD DO. AND THAT TO ME WAS LIKE, WELL, WHY WOULD WE ALLOW 'EM TO DO THAT IF THEY CAN'T ENFORCE WHAT THEY WRITE? SO YEAH, MISSTATEMENT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THAT'S ALL I CAN FAILING TO ABIDE. YEAH, FAILING TO, UH, THEY CAN DO FAILING TO ABIDE BY THE, THE NOTICE TO, TO VACATE. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY CAN DO. THANK YOU SAVITA FOR CLEARING THAT UP. ALL RIGHT. JUDY, WE GOOD? YES. TARA, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS? DO WE HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS? NO. DO YOU, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS, THEN, UM, BY UNANIMOUS, UH, DECISION, THIS BOARD IS ADJOURNED. THAT BEFORE WE GO, I WANNA THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL FOR APPEARING SO DILIGENTLY EVERY WEEK, UH, EVERY OTHER WEEK. AND ERIC, YOU, YOU ARE THE BEST. AND JUDY AND, UH, ESTHER, Y'ALL ARE ALSO THE BEST. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE WITH US AND GUIDING US AND HELPING US. AND SAVITA. I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU, EVERYONE. I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU. YOU ARE THE BEST ALSO. OH, THANK YOU. AND WITH ALL OF THAT, I WISH YOU GUYS A THANKSGIVING, A HAPPY NEW YEAR AND MERRY CHRISTMAS. YES. HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING, EVERYBODY. YEAH. HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. OKAY. IT'S POSSIBLE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.