* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] IT'S STILL A P D F. AND WE HAVE BEEN IN TALKS WITH I T S D ABOUT HOW WE JUST MAKE THAT A LOT MORE USER-FRIENDLY. 'CAUSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY GETTING REQUESTS FOR, CAN YOU SEND US THE EXCEL? WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT LIST IS PUBLIC, SO WE SHARE IT WITH WHOEVER WOULD LIKE IT. AND SO WE, WE WANNA MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE USER-FRIENDLY THAT GETS UPDATED, UM, MONTHLY. UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH WE UPDATE THAT ON THE WEBSITE AND THEN WE ALSO SEND SOME UPDATED EMAILS TO, TO D S D JUST KIND OF LIKE, HEY, WE'VE UPDATED THIS AS WELL. AND SO IN BETWEEN THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING CHANGES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR BEST, BUT WE DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE LIVE, SO IN REAL TIME, MAYBE ON THE WEBSITE THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, REFLECT ANY CHANGES THAT HAPPEN. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S, YEAH, I'M SURE, I'M SURE I T SS D HAS THAT SPEAKING TSD OR TRAINING OR WHOMEVER. SO I THINK, UM, AS FAR AS THE TRAINING, HAVING IT, UM, WHETHER IT'S VIRTUAL FACE-TO-FACE IS WONDERFUL. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE Y'ALL, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE THE BUDGET OR THE TIME, BUT HAVING SOME QUICK, EASY, USER FRIENDLY, UM, VIDEOS AS WELL ON MAYBE THE ZONING PROCESS AND HOW PEOPLE, HOW THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE OR, AND, AND MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY THINK OF. BUT I JUST THOUGHT BESIDES YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA NIX THE IN-PERSON TRAINING, WHETHER IT'S VIRTUAL OR ACTUAL IN-PERSON, BUT DEFINITELY I THINK SOME RECORDINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN JUST GO CLICK ON AND WATCH, UM, IF ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS IS NOT AVAILABLE, UH, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GREAT RECOMMENDATION. AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS MORE AND MORE, THEY WANT MORE RESOURCES. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN HOUSE OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GO TO THE WEBSITE, WHAT THINGS SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE TO THEM, AVAILABLE TO THEM, YOU KNOW, VIA VIDEO THAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UM, REQUIRE SOMEONE TO BE IN PERSON WITH US, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE A RESOURCE LIBRARY OF VIDEOS THAT THEY COULD WATCH AND, AND AT THEIR LEISURE AND AT THEIR CONVENIENCE. SO DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON. WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO BUDGET, SO, YOU KNOW, I I I TEXT MY STAFF WITH LIKE, I NEED YOU TO GO WATCH THIS ON YOUTUBE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT ALL THE TIME. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL BE CREATIVE AND GET THERE CORRESPONDING TRANSCRIPT. SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN HAVE THE P D F TO TAKE AWAY AFTER I WATCH THE VIDEO, SO THAT WAY I HAVE A CHECKLIST OR SOMETHING. BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YEAH, JUST QUICKLY, UM, I ECHO, UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL'S CONCERNS, UM, AS A FORMER BOARD MEMBER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, I AGREE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF GETTING REGISTERED THAT THE CITY KIND OF TRYING TO REGULATE AND TRYING TO CONTROL HOW THEY CHOOSE TO OPERATE. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY. I THINK, UM, I ACTUALLY HELPED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GO THROUGH AND REDO OUR BYLAWS AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT THINGS LIKE, WHO SHOULD BE THE OFFICERS AND WHAT KIND OF QUALIFICATIONS DO WE WANT THEM TO HAVE? AND SO I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEMSELF. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE, THAT THE OFFICERS LIVE, BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE THAT LIVES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY MAY, THEY MIGHT OWN PROPERTY THERE AND STILL BE VESTED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT, NOT ACTUALLY RESIDE THERE. SO I THINK THAT THAT IS, IS WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF, OF THE CITY'S, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONTROL OF THAT. UM, AND AS FAR AS OVERLAPPING BOUNDARIES, UM, I I ALSO ECHO, UM, THE SAME COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO AS LONG AS EVERYONE'S VOICES ARE HEARD, UM, AND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND THEY'RE INFORMED, THEN I DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR FEELINGS AS TO WHETHER IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION OR HOWEVER THAT WORKS. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF CAN OF WORMS, UM, IS POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY BE OPEN BY ALLOWING, UM, MORE THAN ONE ASSOCIATION TO REPRESENT A GEOGRAPHIC AREA. BUT I KNOW WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CASES, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO WHERE WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FACTIONS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE DISAGREED. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CASES IN DISTRICT TWO AND SOME CASES IN MY DISTRICT AS WELL. SO I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THERE IS, IS THAT FOLKS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR VOICES BE HEARD AND THAT THEY'RE INFORMED AND YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S COMING DOWN IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND HAVE THE CHANCE TO VOICE THAT OPINION. THAT'S IT. IF, IF I MAY, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UM, ADDRESS THOSE, UH, COMMENTS. SO THE CAN OF WORMS. SO WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION LAST DECEMBER TO JUST ALLOW ANYONE TO REGISTER. AND [00:05:01] WHEN WE SAY ANYONE, ANYONE WHO HAS FORMED A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, REGARDLESS OF BOUNDARY OVERLAP, BECAUSE AGAIN, N H S D, WE WERE THINKING IN TERMS OF EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO INFORMATION. WE, WE, WE, WE WERE SO CONFLICTED BECAUSE WE WERE FEELING LIKE BY ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, PER THE POLICY, ALLOWING THE FIRST IN REGISTERED ASSOCIATION TO KIND OF DICTATE WHO, WHO GETS ON THIS LIST. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. OH, I CAN BLOCK YOU FROM THIS LIST AND I KNOW YOU WON'T GET NOW GET NOTIFICATIONS LIKE I DO. WE WERE REALLY CONFLICTED ABOUT THAT. SO WE'RE LIKE, LET EVERYBODY REGISTER. OH MY GOD. SO AS SOON AS WE SEND THAT EMAIL, MAN. SO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WE HAD ORIGINALLY BRIEFED, WE PRESENTED THAT, I MEAN CALLED, CALLED BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED SEVERAL CALLS. PEOPLE WERE UPSET, HIGHLY UPSET, HIGHLY, HIGHLY UPSET. IT, IT UPSET PEOPLE TO THEIR CORE. AND, UM, WE GOT SO MUCH, SO MANY EMAILS, UM, FROM ASSOCIATIONS I HAD NEVER HEARD, YOU KNOW, FROM IN THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, THE YEARS I'VE BEEN IN THIS ROLE, UM, VERY VOCAL. AND SO WE DEFINITELY TOOK A STEP BACK. WE HAD TO DIAL BACK EVERYTHING. AND AGAIN, IT WAS, IT, WE WERE COMING FROM A PLACE OF LIKE, THIS IS MAKING IT MORE INCLUSIVE. WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING BLOCKED OFF OF RECEIVING INFORMATION. BUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHO HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED AND ON THE REGISTRY FOR A LONG TIME FELT LIKE YOU ARE NOW ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, OTHERS TO COME IN, COME IN AND MAYBE TAKE FROM ALL THE WORK WE'VE DONE, WHICH AGAIN, WAS NOT OUR INTENTION. AND SO, UM, IN DIALING BACK AND TRYING TO GET MORE FEEDBACK AS TO HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. THAT'S HOW THE IDEA OF CAME, CAME TO LIKE, LOOK, IF THIS, IF, IF A LOT OF CONTENTION IS ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING THESE, YOU KNOW, NOTIFICATIONS, UM, REGARDING ZONING, IF, IF THAT'S A PROBLEM, THEN LET'S LET PEOPLE OPT IN TO GET THE NOTIFICATION. LET'S, LET'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE HEARD THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, CONCERN. PEOPLE ARE LIKE, YEAH, I SEND IT FOR CONTACT, CONSTANT CONTACT, BUT NOW I'VE GOTTA SIFT THROUGH THE AGENDA AND FIND THE CASE AND DO ALL THAT. I WANT EXACTLY WHAT THEY GOT. AND SO WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO ALLOW FOR THAT TO BE MORE OF AN OPT-IN THING AND, AND, AND THEY GET THE INFORMATION. AND SO IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S BEEN REALLY CHALLENGING BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PARTS TO THIS. AND, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. I THINK WE'RE GONNA ALLOW FOR THIS OPT-IN, BUT IF, IF IT STAYS, YOU KNOW, IF LET'S SAY THE ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION AND WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE FEEDBACK AND THE SURVEY AND FROM EVERYBODY IS, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE POLICY AS IS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, FIRST IN REGISTERED MAYBE ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, STILL HAS TO GIVE THAT CONSENT. YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, AT YOUR MEETINGS, YOU'LL STILL HAVE THOSE WHO COME AND IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND ASSOCIATE AS AN ASSOCIATION. AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO FEEL AT THOSE MEETINGS IS THAT EVEN IF I'M NOT ON THIS LIST, YOU'RE STILL HEARING ME IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, SAME VEIN, SAME VOICE. 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF THE PUSH AND PULL STRUGGLE HERE IS BECAUSE I AM, I MEAN, I'VE HEARD IT, I'VE BEEN AT YOUR MEETINGS AND I'VE HEARD CERTAIN ASSOCIATIONS. I AM THE OFFICIAL RECOGNIZED ASSOCIATION AND, AND WE ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, STAFF WE'RE THINKING LIKE WE DIDN'T STAMP ANYTHING. I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW. WE, YOU KNOW, WE, I MEAN THAT JUST IMPLIES SOMETHING TO US THAT, THAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT HOW THEY'RE FUNCTIONING AND RUNNING AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE'RE LIKE, OH, YOU GOT BYLAWS. OH, YOU GOT THESE THINGS THAT THE U D C REQUIRES US TO, TO COLLECT. SO YES, YOU ARE ON THIS REGISTRY, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS OTHER GROUP THAT IS FORMED, YOU KNOW, SHOULD NOT FEEL LESS THAN IN THAT THE COMMISSIONERS AREN'T HEARING THEM IN THE SAME, BECAUSE ALL THEY HEAR IS WHO'S ON THIS LIST? AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE PERCEPTION AND WHAT'S REALLY HAS CLOUDED THIS WHOLE THING. AND, AND THE BIG WEIGHT, THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS IF I'M NOT ON THIS LIST, THEN I'M NOT CONSIDERED VALID OR I'M NOT HEARD. I, I I DON'T ALMOST EXIST AND, AND DEFINITELY NOT WHAT WE WANNA BE SUPPORTING, YOU KNOW? UM, AND SO YEAH, IT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE STRUGGLE. UM, SO YEAH, I, YEAH, I THINK I'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY, WE WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE A VOICE STILL AT THE SAME TIME WITHOUT NEGATING PEOPLE'S HARD WORK AS AN ORGANIZATION, ESPECIALLY BEEN AROUND FOR LOTS OF YEARS WORKING HARD FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE. BUT AS FAR AS, UM, I LOVE THE OPT-IN NOTIFICATION BECAUSE I, MYSELF PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN DISAPPOINTED, UM, WITH A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION THAT DID A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN THAT WE NO LONGER GOT, UM, NOTIFIED WHEN THERE WAS GONNA BE A PLAN CHANGE MADE TO OUR PLAN THAT WE WORKED HARD, LOTS AND LOTS OF NEIGHBORS WORKED HARD WITH THE CITY ON ESTABLISHING THIS PLAN, AND THEN PEOPLE CAN JUST COME IN AND CHANGE IT AND WE HAVE NO CLUE. AND IF WE'RE NOT MONITORING THE WEBSITE AND KNOWING WHAT PLAN CHANGED, SO, UM, I THAT I WAS AS YOU KNOW, CALMED BY SAYING THAT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, REGISTER AND GET THESE NOTIFICATIONS. SO, [00:10:01] BUT I GUESS THERE'S BEEN SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH MAKING THAT HAPPEN. SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET, UM, THOSE NOTIFICATIONS THAT I HIGHLY COVERED THEM. MM-HMM. , ANYBODY ELSE? OH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ABSENTEEISM LAST TWO WEEKS. I HEARD THAT WAS QUITE A HARDY DAY. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS ISSUE IS COMING UP BEFORE ZONING, BUT I DO SERVE ON, CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE HARMONY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I WOULD STRONGLY NOT SUGGEST OVERLAPPING BOUNDARIES. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CITY WOULD WANNA GET INVOLVED IN A GRASSROOTS POLITICS LIKE THAT, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO IS SORT OF THE, UM, OVERSEE O OF THINGS AND, AND TO HAVE COMPETING BOUNDARIES THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS VERY DIFFICULT. UM, I THINK THAT, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHY THE DISCUSSION HAS COME UP OTHER THAN I DO KNOW THAT I'M NOT OFTEN NOTIFIED AS A ZONING COMMISSIONER WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS THIS CASE MAY BE IMPACTING UNLESS I READ THROUGH EVERYTHING. UM, I DO ALSO KNOW THAT AS ASSOCIATION, WE ARE NOTIFIED WHAT SEEMS LIKE LAST MINUTE, AND I KNOW STAFF HEARS THAT A LOT. LIKE WE GOT THE NOTIFICATION LAST MINUTE, SO IT DOESN'T GIVE US MUCH TIME TO REACT AND TO GET, UM, FEEDBACK FROM MEMBERS OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON CASES. UM, BECAUSE JUST THE MAIL ITSELF, I SUPPOSE, UM, IF THERE WAS SOME WAY FOR THE ASSOCIATIONS TO GET AN EMAIL OF CASES, UM, NOTED WITH THE REALIZATION THAT THE ACTUAL CASE WILL BE, UH, IN THE MAIL, BUT IT'S JUST NOT A LOT OF TIME FOR PRESIDENTS OR BOARDS TO REACT, UM, AND TO GET ANY INFORMATION OR FEEDBACK FROM NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS MAYBE WHY WE SEE SOMETIMES A LOT OF CONTINUANCES ON OUR CASES BECAUSE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DIGEST THE CHANGE, UM, OF THAT LAND. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT IN ZONING CASES, I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE THE U D C CODE AMENDED A BIT SO THAT, UM, MORE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WITHIN NOT JUST 200 FEET, BUT MAYBE A THOUSAND, UH, FEET OR BORDERING THE CASE MUST BE NOTIFIED BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THAT PIECE OF LAND MAY BE SITTING THERE WITH A PARKING LOT AND STREETS SURROUNDING IT, IT DOES IMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS. AND I THINK SOMETIMES THEY'RE NEVER NOTIFIED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THE 200 FEET TO BE NOTIFIED. AND SO THEY'RE UNAWARE OF IT. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS GET A LITTLE MORE OF, UM, NOTIFICATION IF THEY'RE WITHIN, I HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, JUST CUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD HERE, A THOUSAND FEET OR ONE MILE RADIUS OR WHATEVER, ALTHOUGH THAT'S KINDA LARGE. UM, SO THAT THEY ARE NOTIFIED AND CAN HAVE THAT, UM, VOICE OF AN IMPACT. I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ALWAYS GONNA SQUABBLE AND, UM, IT'S UP TO THEM TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND WORK TOGETHER. UM, WHILE WE COULD HAVE SOME CLASSES ON, UM, HOW TO REGISTER YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE MAY NEED SOME CLASSES ON HOW TO BE TOLERANT OF EACH OTHER AND LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER'S OPINIONS, UM, AND HOW TO WORK WITH OPINIONS, UM, SO THAT IT BENEFITS, UM, SOMETIMES THE MINORITY AND BENEFITS, SOMETIMES THE MAJORITY. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, I, I HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN NOTIFIED OF ANY TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES ON OUR ASSOCIATION TO PASS THAT OUT, SO THAT WOULD ALWAYS BE A FUN, UH, A FUN THING TO DO. UM, WE'RE BIG NATIONAL NIGHT OUT PEOPLE OVER HERE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE OF THE LARGEST ONES, SO I, WE DO GET THOSE TRAININGS, BUT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY OTHERS THAT I CAN THINK OF. UM, BUT THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE MY THOUGHTS. I JUST THINK AS FAR AS PLANNING AND ZONING CASES GO WHERE WE TEND TO SEE THE MOST, UH, VOICES ON FROM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO, TO DISCUSS IT AMONGST THEMSELVES. UM, I TEND TO FIND OUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THINKING MORE ON NEXT DOOR WHEN THE CONVERSATIONS START THERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS HANDLE IT, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE ON NEXT DOOR OVER HERE A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE'LL SEND OUT INFORMATION TO OUR MEMBERS OF OUR ASSOCIATION, THEY, THEY MAY NOT HAVE EVEN GOTTEN IT. THEY DON'T OPEN THE EMAIL THAT BOUNCES BACK. SO WE'RE NOT REACHING OUT THE BEST WAY EITHER. SO WE NEED MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT IF WE WERE TO DO THAT. SO THOSE WOULD BE MY THOUGHTS. THANKS. THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP. I APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BARBARA. UM, IT'S LIKE HERDING CATS. . THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. AND I CONCUR WITH THE TIMEFRAME TOO, WHEN YOU GET THOSE NOTICES AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WHAT, IT'S NEXT THIS TUESDAY, THEN YOU GET IT LIKE THURSDAY OR FRIDAY AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SCRAMBLE AND TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE AND MAYBE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TIME. SO IT'S CRAZY. BUT YEAH, MORE TIME WOULD [00:15:01] BE GREAT, BUT THAT'S WHY I AGREE WITH HER ON THAT. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER JONES. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, UH, ON ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDES, DID YOU HAVE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS NUMBER OF MEMBERS, YOU'RE ASKING IF I HAD THE NU ONE OF THE SLIDES, THE, FOR THE, FOR THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAD, THE OFFICERS, THE BYLAWS, HAVE ANY REFERENCE TO THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS? YES, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? THAT'S SLIDE FOUR. OKAY. THIS IS, OH, GO AHEAD. THIS IS, THIS IS ALWAYS A, A TRICKY ONE BECAUSE BASED ON, SO SOMETIMES WE GET, UM, A VARIETY OF, OF NUMBERS WHEN WE ASK THIS OF THE ASSOCIATION MEMBERS. SO NOW SOME ASSOCIATIONS WILL TAKE THE WHOLE BOUNDARIES AND SAY EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE BOUNDARY IS A MEMBER AND OTHERS, IT'S BASED ON WHO PAYS DUES TO THE ASSOCIATION OR, YOU KNOW, WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, SIGNED UP TO BE PART OF IT. SO IT, IT'S A VARIETY, AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S BASED ON HOW THEY COUNT THEIR ASSOCIATION MEMBERS IS BASED ON HOW THEY LAY OUT WHAT CONSTITUTES A MEMBER IN THEIR BYLAWS. BUT WE, WE DO, BUT WE DO ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION, IT'S JUST TO KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA. OKAY. HOW LARGE, UM, IS THE ASSOCIATION? YEAH, IT JUST, SOME OF THE, I I GOT THE DISTINCT IMPRESSION THAT ON SOME OF THOSE CASES WE WERE JUST HEARING FROM ONE OR TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE CALLING THEMSELVES A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION VERSUS THE ACTUAL, AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO SIFT THAT OUT. UM, SO, UM, AND I, AND I GUESS THERE'S NO WAY TO TO TO, TO COLLECT THE NAMES 'CAUSE I AM SURE SOME OF 'EM WERE ON BOTH ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST A DISTRICT TWO PROBLEM, BUT IT, I COULD SEE WHERE IT COULD BE A POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. SO JUST, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING AND JUST KEEP THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. YEAH, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS A GREAT POINT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WE, WE'VE GOTTA MOVE ON TO OUR MEETING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR WHEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER SUBSET THAT SAYS, AND THEY SAID, I'M GONNA COUNT EVERYBODY IN MY THAT'S IN THIS FAMILY. YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY A MEMBER. AND THEN LATER PEOPLE COME AND FIND OUT AND SAID, WELL, I DIDN'T SAY I WANTED TO BE A MEMBER OF THAT, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATION. ANYWAY, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR . 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE THE ZONING MEETING. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND IF WE NEED US TO JUST LET US KNOW. , THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UH, THANK YOU MS. BARBARA AND STAFF. WE'RE READY TO HURRY UP AND MOVE ON TO OUR, UH, AGENDA, PLEASE. OKAY. I CAN GIVE YOU THE RUNDOWN. YES, PLEASE. ITEM ONE IS POSTPONED AND THEN JUST AS A, A NOTE ITEM FOUR AND FIVE IN THE WORDS OF BRITTANY SPEARS. OOPS, I DID IT AGAIN. UM, I CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT NINE IS ITEM FOUR AND CITY COUNCIL, DISTRICT ONE IS ITEM FIVE. AND, UH, THEY ON THE AGENDA, THEY ACTUALLY SAY THE OPPOSITE. SO I HAVE MADE A HIGHLIGHT AND A NOTE IN MY CALENDAR TO BE SURE THAT THOSE ARE UPDATED. CAN THEY PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN FOR US, PLEASE? YEAH, WE'RE GETTING BACK. YES, HE HAD TO REBOOT, SO IT'S COMING UP. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN, SO FOR COMBINED HEARING RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT ITEM 4, 5, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, AND 21. NOW ON ITEM 21, THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL, AND THIS IS COMPLETELY UP TO YOU GUYS, IT IS JUST A STATEMENT FROM, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE SAYING THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THE ITEM. SO THAT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANNA LEAVE THAT ON CONSENT OR IF YOU WANNA MOVE THAT. SO, SO IT'S A VOICEMAIL THAT SAYS THEY'RE WORKING AND, AND, AND, AND SO DOES THIS VOTE THAT WE TAKE TODAY HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON WHAT THEY ARE STATING, STATING NOT ACCORDING TO THEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, SINCE IT DOESN'T HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT, IT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD INFLUENCE OUR VOTE, BUT I I'M OPEN TO WHAT YOU THINK. UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS, SHALL WE JUST LEAVE THAT ON COMBINED? I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT I E [00:20:01] OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. WE CAN LEAVE IT ON, UM, THE COMBINED PLAY IT, IT'S JUST, UH, MADAM CHAIR GAIL HAS HER HAND UP. OH, SHE DOES? OH, WHERE IS GAIL? OH MY GOODNESS. WHY DID MY SCREEN CHANGE? OH, YOU DID. OKAY. I'M SORRY. UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL NOT, NOT A PROBLEM. AND, AND I'LL DIRECT THE QUESTION TO YOU, JOY, I, I'M JUST WITH THESE KINDS OF ASSIGNING OF ZONING, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LANDOWNER, WHO WE ARE ABOUT TO IMPACT WITH THIS, AND I ALWAYS WANT TO KNOW, ARE THOSE OWNERS IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS OR IS THERE ANY PUSHBACK OR OPPOSITION? GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UH, THIS IS RUDY NINO, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE ELSE. UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, I, I WOULD, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT MAYBE, UH, A WITH AN AGREEMENT OR SUPPORTIVE OF THE ZONING, UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY HEARD FROM VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UM, AN OPINION ABOUT THE ZONING, THE APPLICATION OF ZONING. UM, THERE IS ONE PROPERTY THAT THE, THE, UH, VOICEMAIL THAT WAS LEFT, UH, WHERE REALLY IT'S A BROADER ISSUE ON THEIR END, THEY WOULD, NUMBER ONE, PREFER JUST NOT TO BE ANNEXED, AND THE NUMBER TWO WOULD PREFER DIFFERENT ZONING. HAVING SAID THAT, UM, THEY HAVE REACHED OUT TO US AND WE HAVE BEEN, UM, IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM FOR ABOUT A MONTH ON THE FUTURE OF THAT PROPERTY. AND SO AT THIS TIME, WE DO HAVE TO TAKE A, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT ANNEXATION AND ZONING, BUT, UM, THEY HAVE MADE GOOD PROGRESS WITH US IN NEGOTIATING THE FUTURE OF THAT PROPERTY. AND SO I THINK THAT AT THIS TIME, THE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATION IS STILL A SOLID ONE AND, UH, WE CAN GIVE THE COMMISSION A, AN UPDATE ON THAT PROPERTY, UM, IN THE FUTURE ONCE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, A FINAL DISPOSITION. OKAY. AND, UM, NONE OF THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THIS PROPOSED ZONING ARE GONNA BE PUT INTO NON-COMPLIANCE RIGHT AWAY. EVERYBODY'S STILL GOT THEIR AG EXEMPTIONS AND WE'RE GOOD TO GO STARTING NOW. UM, WE, THE INTENT OF THIS, UH, EFFORT WAS NOT TO PROVIDE, UH, ANY NON-CONFORMING USES. UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT STATE LAW, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE U D C PROVIDES FOR A CONTINUATION OF LAND USE. SO EVEN IF THERE WERE TO BE A, UH, THE APPLICATION OF ZONING THAT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING USE, THEY COULD STILL CONTINUE TO USE THE PROPERTY THE WAY THAT THEY WERE USING IT PREVIOUSLY, UH, BECAUSE OF THOSE PROTECTIONS. O OKAY, SO NOW I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY MAY HAVE THAT PROTECTION, BUT THE MOMENT THEY, UH, THE MOST FREQUENT ONE PUT A FIREWORKS STAND ON THERE, THEN THAT KICKS THEM OUT OF THAT, UNDERSTAND SURE. THAT FALL, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FALL UNDER A DIFFERENT SECTION OF STATE, UH, I'M SORRY, OF, OF LAW WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY USE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FIREWORKS. HAVING SAID THAT, EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAS A USE CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY, UH, IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO USE THEIR PROPERTY AS IS. UM, THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS THAT HAD FIREWORK STANDS ON THEIR PROPERTY MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THEM ANYMORE. I KNOW ONE THAT HAS SINCE REMOVED THEM, UH, BUT UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY ARE BEING ASKED. OKAY. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN, THAT THEY'RE ALL NOTIFIED. EVERYBODY GOT THE SAME MESSAGE FROM DAY ONE. THEY KNOW THAT GOING FORWARD THAT THE, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE DANGER OR THE RISK THEY RUN BY ENTERING INTO SUCH AGREEMENTS. THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. AND WE PROVIDE, UH, NOTIFICATIONS, UM, ANNUALLY TO FOLKS AS A REMINDER, UM, OF THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO IN MEETING THOSE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY ADD, UH, THE NOTE JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, THERE WERE 124 NOTICES MAILED ON THAT ITEM. NONE WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. TWO RECEIVED AN OPPOSITION, AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND WE ALSO DO STILL INTEND TO, IF IT IS LEFT ON CONSENT, PLAY THAT ONE VOICEMAIL AS PART OF THAT BEFORE THE MOTION IS MADE. WELL, OKAY. THEN THAT RAISES A QUESTION FOR RUDY. SO THE TWO THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION, ARE THEY LANDOWNERS? UM, IF I CAN GET JENNIFER ON THE LINE, JENNIFER, CAN YOU, UM, INFORM US OF WHO, UH, SUBMITTED A NOTIFICATION? YES. UM, ACTUALLY ONE OF 'EM IS A LANDOWNER, BUT SHE IS, UM, OPPOSED TO THE ZONING BECAUSE SHE, UM, HAD ISSUES WITH THE ANNEXATION AND THE OTHER ONE IS A NEIGHBORING OF ONE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY NUMBER 10 THAT SHE JUST DIDN'T WANNA BE TOO CLOSE TO SOMEBODY NEXT TO THE CITY. SO THOSE WERE THE TWO, BUT NOT THE ACTUAL OWNER OF, OF SITE 10, CORRECT. NOT THE OWNER OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. [00:25:02] APOLOGIES, A ANY, UH, COMMISSIONER BUSER MONTE. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, WHAT'S THE COUNT ON 14? GO AHEAD. SO FOR ITEM 14, THERE WERE 31 NOTICES SENT OUT. WE RECEIVED ONE IN SUPPORT, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND COLLINS GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO STAFF WAS THERE, WAS THERE ANY OPPOSITION OR APPROVAL ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR? FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR? THERE WERE 39 NOTICES SENT OUT. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. DID, DO YOU HAVE A RECORDING OR ANY ANY REASON TO TAKE THAT OFF COMBINED AND GO TO INDIVIDUAL? WE'RE CHECKING RIGHT NOW. YES, UH, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL. OKAY, SO THAT, THAT HASN'T COME OFF COMBINED THEN? CORRECT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO CASE FOUR, ITEM FOUR IS MOVING TO INDIVIDUAL. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? SURE. CAN I GET COUNTS ON SIX, SEVEN AND 17? SO FOR ITEM SIX, WE SENT OUT 22 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. FOR ITEM SEVEN, WE SENT OUT 25 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED FOREIGN SUPPORT TO AN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM DOWNTOWN RESIDENCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR ITEM 17. THERE WERE 38 NOTICES SENT OUT. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT WHEN IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT AND SO ON. UH, 17, THE REASON THAT IT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING IS BECAUSE WHY? BECAUSE IT'S A STAFF DENIAL. OH, NO, I'M SORRY. UM, THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL. I'M SORRY. I WAS LOOKING AT ITEM SEVEN. THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL TO PLAY. OKAY, PERFECT. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COULD I GET THE COUNTS FOR ITEM 11? SO FOR ITEM 11, WE SENT OUT 24 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ONE IN SUPPORT, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UM, JUST ON THE, THE COUNTS PLEASE FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE? CORRECT. FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WE SENT OUT 19 NOTICES AND WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UM, IF EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH, UM, THE AGENDA AS IT STANDS, WE ARE READY TO, UH, MOVE ON TO THE HEARING OF A STAFF HAS SOMETHING ELSE FOR US. I DO, UH, FOR THE COMBINED HEARING, NUMBER TWO, ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE. AND SO WE MOVE THAT DOWN TO COMBINED HEARING TWO AND ALSO ON COMBINED HEARING TWO IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT FOR MICKEY ROAD. THAT'S THE TWO 20. OKAY. ALRIGHT, BOTH OF THOSE ARE FOR, OKAY. AND ANY RECUSALS TODAY. ALL RIGHT. [00:30:01] WELL THEN WE ARE READY TO GO. SO JUST GIVE US, UM, THE GO AHEAD WHEN YOU ARE READY FOR, UH, TO START. UH, PLEASE. RICKY JUST ROLL RIGHT INTO IT, MA'AM, WE'RE ALREADY LIVE. KEEP GOING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, GOOD. AFTERNOONS AND GREETINGS TO EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO, UM, UH, UM, SAY THAT I AM THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT THREE ZONING COMMISSIONER. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICE MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, ZONING COMMISSION INTERCESSION. MAY WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING, PLEASE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MAY [Roll Call] WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? HERE. DR. JONES? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER KAMIN? HERE. COMMISSIONER, WE PRESENT DR. ROMERO. HERE. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? HERE. COMMISSIONER WHITE. HERE. MR. MCDANIEL? HERE. COMMISSIONER SYKE. HERE. VICE CHAIR BUSTA. PRESENT. CHAIR MCGEE. PRESENT. YOU HAVE A QUORUM, MA'AM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, WOULD YOU REVIEW OUR, UH, MEETING FOR PLEASE TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19? THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEETINGS VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE. THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE CVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW.SANANTONIO.GOV/DSD OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES. THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING. STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD FOR ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT. STAFF WILL PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL. LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT ARE SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALLBACK, WE WILL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENT. SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, MAY YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE CURRENT LIST OF CONSENT INDIVIDUAL AND ANY POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS BEING POSTPONED FOR THE COMBINED HEARING. NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE ITEMS 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, AND 21 FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE ITEMS FIVE AND EIGHT. AND ON INDIVIDUAL WE HAVE ITEMS 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, AND 17. DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT TO EVERYONE? COMMISSIONERS? UH, WE'RE WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, [1. 20-6712 (POSTPONED) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700242 HL (Council District 2)] IF WE COULD START WITH, UM, THE POSTPONED, UM, ITEM PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS POSTPONED. THIS IS IN COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO. IT ENDS IN 2 4 2 AT 4 0 3 MONTANA STREET. WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THIS CASE WILL NEED TO BE RETIC AND REPUBLISHED WHEN THEY ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. SO IT WILL NOT BE HEARD AT ALL TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, IF WE [Items 10, 11, 13 - 16, 18 - 21] COULD PLEASE MOVE, UM, PROCEED WITH COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. BEGINNING WITH COMBINED HEARING. NUMBER ONE IS ITEM NUMBER 10, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO C TWO C D. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A BAR IN TAVERN LOCATED AT ONE 20 NO [00:35:01] ALITO STREET AND 1521 SOUTH FLORIDA STREET. WE SENT OUT 18 NOTICES AND WE RECEIVED THREE IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION AND COLLINS GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR CD. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 29 15 WEST FRENCH PLACE. WE SENT OUT 24 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ONE IN SUPPORT, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR CD ALL OVER LASER MEETING THE SAME WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT TWO 19 MAR MARBA AVENUE. THERE WERE 23 NOTICES, WHO RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM LOS ENA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO IDZ TWO ALL OVER LA REMAINING THE SAME WITH THESE AS PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND FOR EIGHT RESIDENTIAL UNITS LOCATED AT 26 19 SOUTH FLORIDA STREET. THERE WERE 31 NOTICES SENT OUT. WE RECEIVED ONE IN SUPPORT, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND COLLINS GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE R TO C TWO CD. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR A WELDING SHOP LOCATED AT NINE 30 PEGGY DRIVE. WE SENT OUT 10 NOTICES WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND EASTGATE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM HUD R SIX TO R SIX. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME LOCATED AT 65 TO NORTH SQUARE. WE SENT OUT 21 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED FIVE IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO R FOUR. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME LOCATED AT 38 49 EAST LOOP 1604. WE SENT OUT 25 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO R FOUR AND NP 15. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 4,000 BLOCK OF ANO PARKWAY. WE SENT OUT SIX NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ONE IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. ITEM NUMBER 20 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO C THREE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, GENERALLY LOCATED IN, IN THE 2300 BLOCK OF AUSTIN HIGHWAY. WE SENT OUT 11 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ONE IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. ITEM NUMBER 21 IS GENERALLY BOUND BY SOUTHWEST ROUTE FOUR 10 TO THE NORTH CORPUS CHRISTI AND OLD CORPUS CHRISTI HIGHWAY TO THE EAST SOUTH LOOP 1604 AND IH 37 SOUTH TO THE SOUTH AND SOMERSET ROAD TO THE WEST. CURRENTLY LOCATED OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS BY APPLYING ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICTS. A H O D AIRPORT HAZARD OVERLAY DISTRICT M L O D TWO, BLACKLAND MILITARY LIGHTING OVERLAY DISTRICT AND MLR TWO BLACKLAND MILITARY LIGHTING, REGION TWO IS APPLICABLE. AND DR. DEVELOPMENT RESERVE DISTRICT. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER. YES, I BEG YOUR PARDON. I NEED TO MAKE ONE CLAR. I'M SORRY. I NEED TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION. THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS ON ITEM NUMBER 21. IT'S GOING TO BE ALSO TO FR FARM AND RANCH, N P 15 NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION DISTRICT AND WE ALSO HAVE A VOICEMAIL TO PLAY. OKAY, YOU'RE WORKING ON THE VOICEMAIL? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. [00:40:17] UH, THIS PROPERTY THAT I'M CALLING ABOUT IS CURRENT. I'M CALLING ON ITEM NUMBER. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS JAMES MCKNIGHT. I'M CALLING ON ITEM NUMBER 21, CASE Z 2 44. THIS IS NOT A CALL TO OPPOSE THIS CASE MOVING FORWARD. I JUST WANTED TO STATE A FEW THINGS FOR THE RECORD. UH, THIS PROPERTY THAT I'M CALLING ABOUT IS CURRENTLY IN THE A T J SEVERAL TRACKS TOTALING 124 ACRES ON WATSON ROAD COUNTY BLOCK 42 98. THE THIS ITEM IS FOR ANNEXATION AND RECOMMENDED ZONING FOR THIS ANNEXATION. UH, I WANTED IT KNOWN THAT WE HAD FILED AN M D P FOR THIS 124 ACRE PROPERTY IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, PRIMARILY FOR OUR FOUR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. UM, SO CURRENTLY THE CITY IS, UH, PROPOSING N P 15 FOR THE ZONING, UM, WHICH WOULD NOT MATCH OUR N D P. UM, WE ARE OB OBJECTING TO THAT NP 15 ONLY BECAUSE OF WHAT IS AROUND US AND BECAUSE OF, OF THE PLAN THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE. HOWEVER, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY RIGHT NOW TO, UH, COME UP WITH A POSSIBLE COMPROMISE IN THAT LAND USE AND, AND MIX OF USES. SO, UM, WITH THAT GOOD FAITH, UM, WORKING TOGETHER THAT WE HAVE BEEN WITH THE CITY, I THINK THAT WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE. SO THIS IS NOT TO OPPOSE THE ITEM MOVING FORWARD. UM, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBERS 10 11 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, AND 21. MS. COMMISSIONER S SIPES. SECOND. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SIPES. UM, STAFF ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER GRAU? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. MR. WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. MR. SIPES? YES. VICE CHAIR BUSANTE. UH, AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 11 TO ZERO. OKAY. UM, [Items 5 & 8] MAY WE COMMENCE WITH COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, PLEASE? FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C ONE AND C THREE TO C THREE F WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS LOCATED AT 43 30 VANCE JACKSON ROAD. WE SENT OUT 19 NOTICES AND WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ONE IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON DECEMBER 15TH. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM FR TO R FOUR. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME LOCATED AT 43 45 MICKEY ROAD. WE SENT OUT 12 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ONE IN OPPOSITION, THREE IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FEET. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, STAFF QUESTION. SO THIS IS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CONTINUOUS, WE CAN TREAT THIS THE SAME WAY WE DID COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, OR DO I HAVE TO CALL EACH COMMISSION? RIGHT. I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS ITEM FIVE FIRST ONLY BECAUSE THE DATE IS DIFFERENT FOR ITEM EIGHT AND ITEM EIGHT DOES HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE. MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER FIVE TO THE DECEMBER 15TH ZONING HEARING MEETING. SECOND. COMMISSIONER JONES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE CONTINUANCE BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. STAFF, UH, ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. DR. JONES? YES. MR. KAMI? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER [00:45:01] GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. VICE CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR A CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER THE 15TH, 11 TO ZERO. NOW ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO FOR A CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER THE FIRST. AND THAT ITEM WAS ALREADY READ INTO THE RECORD. AND SO NOW WE WILL PLAY THE VOICEMAIL. MY TELEPHONE NUMBER, THIS IS MARSHA FITZSIMMONS AND I'M AT FOUR FOUR FIVE ZERO MICKEY ROAD. MY TELEPHONE NUMBER IS (210) 771-1054. AND I'M CALLING ON AGENDA NUMBER EIGHT, CASE NUMBER 2 2 0. I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THE SONY REQUEST CHANGE. WHILE I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT MAKING INFORMATION CONCERNING THE PLANS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE THAT IN THIS BRIEF TIME THAT WE HAVE HAD TO CLEARLY UNDERSTAND AND DIGEST THIS GREAT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION IS INSUFFICIENT FOR US AS COMMON FOLKS TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AS TO WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEREFORE, I AM REQUESTING A FOUR WEEK POSTPONEMENT ON THIS CASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE. SO I MO UM, MOTION I MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS CASE TO DECEMBER 1ST, 2020 SECOND MCDANIEL. THANK YOU. UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. STAFF ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER HU AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMM. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. MR. WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR A CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER 1ST BY A VOTE OF 11 ZERO. RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE, UH, LET'S COMMENCE WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS PLEASE. [2. 20-6695 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700153 S ERZD (Council District 9)] ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE E, RZ D TO C TWO S E R Z D WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH. LOCATED AT 36 0 7 EAST EVANS ROAD. WE SENT OUT 13 NOTICES WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION. AND ENCINO RANCH, H O A IS IN OPPOSITION. THE CURRENT C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS NOT AN APPRO APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE REQUESTED C TWO SS BASED ZONING DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH IS A MORE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND PROXIMITY TO NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE ALLOWING UTILIZATION OF A CORNER LOT. THE BASE DISTRICT WILL REMAIN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THE S SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION ALLOWS CONSIDERATION OF A CAR WASH WITHIN THE EDWARDS RECHARGE ZONE. DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND TA WILL PRESENT THEIR REPORT. MICHAEL ESCALANTE PLEASE. YES. UH, MIKE ESCALANTE WITH SAULS AQUIFER PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION. WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION 36 0 7 EAST EVANS ROAD. THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND CONSISTENT OF 1.97 ACRES. NO SENSITIVE GEOLOGIC FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE NOR NOTED ON FILE. THE SITE WILL BE LIMITED TO 65% AND PREVIOUS COVER. THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO REUSE 80% OF THE WASH WATER CONSERVATION WATER FOR CAR WASH PROGRAM, USE BIODEGRADABLE DETERGENTS AND ADHERE TO ALL OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. , WE THEREFORE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE AUTOMATIC CAR WASH CHAIR. ARE YOU THERE? [00:50:03] ARE, ARE YOU ASKING IF THE APPLICANT'S HERE? WELL, OKAY, I KNOW THE APPLICANT'S THERE WAS JUST, WE USUALLY LET THE CHAIR INTRODUCE YOU, BUT IF SHE'S HAVING, UH, DIFFICULTY I DON'T SEE HER. UH OH. OKAY. UH, SHE MIGHT, SHE MIGHT HAVE SOME AUDIO DIFFICULTY, BUT, UH, SO YOU WANNA GO? YES. NOPE. CHAIR'S BACK. . I'M DOUBLE. OKAY. YES. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S 3 2700. UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE TODAY IS THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED C THREE. WE'RE ASKING FOR C TWO SS TO BE ALLOWED TO BE ALLOWED TO DO A CAR WASH OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE. WE'VE AGREED TO ALL OF SAWS CONDITIONS. WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO SOME EXTRA CONDITIONS SUCH AS LIMITING THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 8:00 AM TO 7:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TO CONSTRUCTING A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG MASON WOOD STREET. UH, ASK THE CITY FOR NO SIDEWALK ALONG MASON WOOD STREET AND TO PLANT ADDITIONAL TREES ALONG MASON WOOD. BUT WE HAVE HERE, MASON WOOD IS ACTUALLY A PRIVATE DRIVE THAT'S OWNED BY THE ENCINO RANCH, H O A, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY. UH, WE'RE WE'RE FURTHER THAN 200 FEET AWAY FROM THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. HOWEVER THEY ARE WITHIN THE AREA OF NOTIFICATION SINCE WE'RE ADJACENT TO A STREET THAT'S OWNED BY THEM. WE FEEL THIS IS A, A GOOD LOCATION FOR A CAR WASH. THERE'S A MINI STORAGE NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY AND A BUSINESS PARK, SMALL WAREHOUSE PROPERTY TO THE REAR THAT'S ACTUALLY QUITE TALL. WE THINK IT'LL BE A NICE BUFFER FROM THIS PROPERTY. SO REALLY THE ISSUE HAS BEEN VISIBILITY FROM MASON WOOD DRIVE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING THE FENCE AND THE TREE PLANTING. UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR. WE'VE AGREED TO THE, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ENTITLED TO A HUNDRED PERCENT IMPERVIOUS COVER AS CATEGORY ONE. WE'RE AGREEING TO THE LIMITATION OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER TO 65%. UM, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE MAY HAVE, UM, QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, STEPH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A CALLER ON THE LINE. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME, UH, TIME TO SHARE MY COMMENTS TODAY CONCERNING THE PROPOSED REZONING OF THE COMMERCIAL LOT LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF EVANS ROAD IN MASON WOOD DRIVE, THE REZONING REQUEST CHANGING THE SITE FROM C THREE TO C TWO TO ACCOMMODATE COMMERCIAL CAR WASH FACILITY. MY NAME IS BERTO EL, THE SECOND CAPTAIN UNITED STATES NAVY RETIRED. AND MY ADDRESS IS 22 3 0 3 COVEA COURT AND I LIVE IN ENCINO RANCH IN AM THE, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE H O A. I'M SPEAKING TODAY AS A CITIZEN AND RESIDENT OF ENCINO RANCH WHO PURCHASED HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN 2013 TO PARTICIPATE IN AN ESTABLISHED, SOLID AND TRANQUIL QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WOULD CARRY US INTO OLD AGE. THIS HOME IS MY RETIREMENT HOME INVESTMENT PURCHASED WHEN RETURNING TO SAN ANTONIO AFTER 37 YEARS OF ACTIVE SERVICE IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY. MY WIFE AND I LOOK UPON THIS HOME TO APPRECIATE AND VALUE AS PART OF OUR SUNSET YEARS PLAN. WE TAKE GOOD CARE OF OUR HOUSE SO THAT IT CONTRIBUTES TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. WHEREAS I AM ACCEPTING A FURTHER COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN MY AREA. A DIRTY BUSINESS SUCH AS A CARWASH DOES NOT MATCH WHAT ALREADY EXISTS WITHIN TWO SITE INTENSIVE C THREE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES LIKE ANOTHER CAR WASH WOULD BE POISONED AT OUR DOORSTEP AND OUR NEIGHBOR'S DOORSTEPS AS WELL. WE ALREADY HAVE C THREE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ALONG VERDE ROAD CORRIDOR NORTH OF 1604 AND WE ALL REASONABLY EXPECT MORE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE. WE MUST NOT GRANT THIS CAR WASH A PLACE AT OUR DOORSTEP MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS OBJECT TO AS CAR WASH. RECOGNIZING THAT A DIRTY BUSINESS IS POISON WITH SHORT TIME TO UH, CONTACT COMMISSIONERS, I HOPE THAT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN MY NEIGHBORS THAT IS IN CONTACTING YOU. WE RECOGNIZE THAT A CAR WASH IS A DIRTY BUSINESS THAT WILL BRING SUSTAIN AND IRREVERSIBLE AIR, NOISE, WATER, AND LIGHT POLLUTION AT NIGHT TO OUR DOORSTEP AND DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTE TO INCREASED TRAFFIC SNARL THAT WILL NULLIFY ANY OF THE SOUGHT GAINS. THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS CRAFTED INTO THE 2017 TO 2022 ROAD CONSTRUCTION BOND PROGRAM IN OUR PHASE AND OUR AREA. IN MY LETTER TO YOU OF 16 NOVEMBER, I EXPANDED ON WHY THESE IRREVERSIBLE POLLUTION AND NEGATIVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS WILL POISON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S NEARLY 20 YEARS OF ESTABLISHED QUALITY OF LIFE. THIS ALSO INCLUDES THE DEN OF OPERATING MACHINERY IN THE 24 7, WHICH NOW I HEAR IT'S A LIMITED OPERATION, BUT STILL THE NOISE. YOU MUST NOT GRANT THIS CAR WASH A PLACE AT OUR DOORSTEP IF ANY REZONING CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOORSTEPS ARE MORE IN LINE WITH COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT ARE BASED ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND THAT COMPLIMENTS UH, WHAT ACTIVITIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED IN OUR AREA. I OFFER THAT YOU CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD WITH A BASELINE ZONING FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AS A BEST POLICY FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. THE COMMERCIAL CAR WASH MARKET IN DISTRICT NINE [00:55:01] QUAD ZIP CODE 7 8 2 5 9 7 8 2 5 8 7 8 2 6 1 AND 7 8 2 3 2 IS SATURATED ALREADY. THERE IS NOW A STANDALONE CAR WASH LESS THAN ONE MILE FROM THIS SITE, T P P C AND VERDE PARKWAY. UH, SIR, THAT'S TWO MINUTES SIR. ALRIGHT, THANKS. UH, THANK YOU. UH, SIR, IF YOU HOLD JUST ONE MOMENT, UM, LET'S SEE IF I HAVE ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR THE UH, SPEAKER COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. YES, REAL QUICK TO THE SPEAKER, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU CALLING IN AND TAKING THE TIME AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR SERVICE TO OUR NATION. UM, YOU SAID THAT YOU SERVED ON YOU, YOU'RE CURRENTLY SERVING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR DID SERVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? I AM CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE VICE PRESIDENT, YES MA'AM. OH, AND I'M SORRY, IS THAT A H O A? YES MA'AM. IT IS. OKAY. UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UM, ALONG MASON WOOD AND EVANS HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. HAVE YOU HAD ANY DISCUSSION IN THE PAST 20 YEARS? AND I KNOW YOU DIDN'T SERVE 20 YEARS, BUT HAVE YOU HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER ON WHAT PLANS THEY WERE LOOKING TO PUT THERE AT ANY TIME HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE DEVELOPER AT ANY TIME TO DISCUSS YOU WOULD LIKE A LOW IMPACT TO MAYBE WORK THAT OUT BEFORE IT COMES TO THIS CASE? TODAY WE HAVE TO DECIDE. THE ONLY TIME MA'AM THAT WE HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPER, AND I THINK HE'S A LAWYER AND HE'S ONLINE NOW, UH, WITH HIS OFFICE ON ST. MARY STREET, WAS ABOUT THOSE, UH, INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THE BACK OF THE LOT THAT ARE, UH, ADJACENT TO OUR SWIMMING POOL AND OUR H O A PROPERTY LINE. WE HEARD ABOUT THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH A REQUEST TO GAIN ACCESS TO OUR PRIVATE ROAD OF MASON WOOD. WE DENIED THAT, UH, BEYOND THAT EVER HEARD FROM HIM AGAIN ABOUT THE CAR WASH UNTIL WE SAW THE SIGN GO UP. AND THEN OF COURSE WE'VE BEEN MONITORING TO UH, SEE WHEN WE CAN ENGAGE. OTHER THAN THAT, HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THIS FELLOW EITHER. HAS ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD THAT I'M AWARE OF AND, UH, HAS NOT REACHED OUT TO US TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. UH, AND OUR POLLUTION CONCERNS PARTICULARLY NOISE, WATER, AND LIGHT. OKAY. BUT THERE, THERE WAS A DEVELOPER SIGN ON THE SITE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. SO YOU WERE AWARE OF WHO HELD THE DEVELOPER, WHO THE DEVELOPER WAS. SO YOU COULD HAVE AT ANY TIME CONTACTED THE DEVELOPER TO FIND OUT WHAT WERE ANY FUTURE PLANS FOR THIS VACANT TRACK ALLIANCE. SO YOU, YOU, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD HOME ASSOCIATION DIDN'T, DIDN'T, NEVER REACHED OUT TO THE DEVELOPER THEMSELVES. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK MA'AM THAT, UH, OUR NOVICE APPROACH AS NON-PROFESSIONALS DEALING WITH ZONING, UH, THAT PROBABLY DID NOT HAPPEN. OR IF IT DID, IT DID NOT HAPPEN IN A CONCERTED WAY THAT WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAD TO DO. IF YOU COULD ROLL BACK THE TIME AND TALK TO THE DEVELOPER AND ASK HIM WHAT HIS PLANS ARE FOR THE VACANT TRACK, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE SAID WOULD BE YOUR PREFERRED PLANTS? UH, NOT A CAR WASH. IT'S, IT'S ZONE C THREE. SO IS A BAR. OKAY. A LIQUOR STORE, MA'AM. THE, THAT WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GENERATE NOISE OR LIGHT POLLUTION AT NIGHT. UH, THE FOOTPRINT THAT HE HAS RIGHT NOW WITH THE BUSINESSES IN THE BACKGROUND PRETTY MUCH HAS LOW AMBIENT LIGHT WITH A CAR WASH. I'M SURE THAT BECAUSE OF MARKETING SECURITY AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS, WE ARE EXPECTING THIS GIGANTIC LIGHT SYSTEM TO GO UP THAT WILL ILLUMINATE NOT ONLY THE BACKS OF OUR HOUSES, BUT ON LOW CLOUD COVER, WE'LL ILLUMINATE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS ILLUMINATE THE MOSQUE. DON'T KNOW IF THE MOSQUE HAS BEEN ABLE TO CONTACT YOU ABOUT THIS ISSUE. OKAY. I DID WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU, ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS TO GIVE YOU SOME OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I HADN'T, UH, NOT HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION UNTIL I RECEIVED AN EMAIL. SO, UM, THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SAY? I WANNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY. YES, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. UH, YES MA'AM IS FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, THERE'S ALREADY A CAR WASH OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JOHNSON HIGH SCHOOL AT T P C, THE CORNER OF T P C PARKWAY AND BULVERDE ROAD, AS WELL AS 10, UH, TOTAL CAR WASHES IN THIS AREA OVER THE EDWARDS RECHARGE ZONE. I KNOW THE SAWS PEOPLE, UH, HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD DONE THEIR RESEARCH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 80% THAT SOME SORT OF RATIO OF WATER RECLAMATION, UH, THAT'S THE WATER THAT GETS USED FOR WASHING THE VEHICLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S GONNA PULL INTO A CAR WASH. IT RUNS THE GAMBIT OF, I GOT A LITTLE BIT OF DIRT TOO. I'M REALLY KNOCKING OFF A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF AND WASHING MY INDUSTRIAL MACHINERY SUCH AS LAWNMOWERS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE FULL OF OIL, ET [01:00:01] CETERA, ET CETERA. AND WE CANNOT HELP BUT UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THAT IS GONNA FIND ITS WAY TO OUR WATER SYSTEM. SINCE THIS IS RELOAD, THIS IS LOCATED OVER THE EDGE RECHARGE ZONE. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT. UM, OKAY. UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER STAFF? IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, MA'AM. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU. UM, UH, MR. CHRISTENSEN, WOULD YOU LIKE, UH, TIME FOR RESPONSE? JUST, JUST VERY QUICKLY? UM, SO THIS IS A FACILITY ONLY FOR AUTOMOBILES. SO YOU CANNOT BRING ANY EQUIPMENT, LAWNMOWERS, TRACTORS, THINGS LIKE THAT THROUGH THE MACHINE. THERE'S ALWAYS AN EMPLOYEE ON SITE. ALL OF THE ACTUAL WASHING IS CONDUCTED WITHIN A BUILDING. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE SPRAY, YOU KNOW, PUT IN YOUR COINS AND SPRAY YOUR CAR YOURSELF. WHEN THERE'S WATER FLYING EVERYWHERE, UH, THERE WILL NOT BE LIGHT POLLUTION. THIS PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY A BUSINESS PARK AND A MINI STORAGE THAT DO HAVE LIGHTING ALREADY. WE WILL CERTAINLY COMPLY WITH THE MILITARY LIGHTING ORDINANCE. UM, ALL THE WATER IS, IS CAPTURED AS SAWS REQUIRES, AND THERE'S A GRID COLLECTOR THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT IF THERE IS ANY MUD OR DIRT OR ROCKS ON VEHICLES THAT IT GETS WASHED INTO THAT IT HAS TO BE CLEANED ON A REGULAR BASIS. I WOULD JUST ASK THAT. AND I, AND I HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO THE H O A SINCE JUNE AND, UM, BEEN WORKING WITH ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ON, ON SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS AND WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE ASKING US WE COULD DO. THEY ARE HAVING AN ELECTION THIS WEEK, I BELIEVE. I WAS TRYING TO GET SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THEN, BUT I WILL CERTAINLY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BEFORE THIS GOES TO COUNCIL. I WOULD JUST ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THERE'S, THERE'S NOT AN OVERSATURATION OF CAR WASHES IN, IN THIS AREA. THE, THE, THE, MY CLIENTS, THE DEVELOPERS WOULD NOT BE SPENDING THIS KIND OF A MONEY IF, IF THEY DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THE, THE BUSINESS WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. OH, OKAY. OOPS, I WAS ALREADY UNMUTED. UH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, I, I REALLY KIND OF WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE DEVELOPER FOR TAKING THEIR 100 IMPERVIOUS COVER DOWN TO 65. I THINK SOMETIMES WE OVERLOOK THE, UH, THINGS THAT OUR DEVELOPERS DO FOR US TO PROTECT THE AQUIFER, SO I APPRECIATE THEM WILLING TO GO TO THE 65%. UM, PATRICK, I, LET ME KIND OF DIRECT MY QUESTIONS TO YOU. UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT, SO WE HAVE, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A TRACK OF VACANT LAND BETWEEN THE, YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT AND A BUILDING. IS THAT CORRECT? AND WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT? NOT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, LET'S SAY THE, UH, THE DEPTH OF IT ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ON MY SITE PLAN? YEAH, WELL THERE'S YOUR SITE THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A STRIP OF LAND AND THEN A BUILDING. IS THAT OWNED BY THAT BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT THERE BEHIND THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, SO THERE'S BASICALLY THREE LOTS AND WE SHARE A DRIVEWAY WITH THEM ONTO EVANS ROAD. THERE'S THE MINI STORAGE THAT'S TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST OF THIS SITE. AND THEN THERE'S SORT OF THE BUSINESS PARK OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEHIND US TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY BETWEEN US AND THE ENCINO RANCH NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THIS PROPERTY IS ON THE HARD CORNER OF MASON WOOD AND EVANS ROAD. OKAY. AND THE BUSINESS PARK IS THAT ONE STORY, TWO STORY. IT'S A TALL ONE STORY. IT'S PROBABLY 16 OR 18 FEET TALL. OKAY. AND THEN, BUT THEY'RE GARAGES SO THAT YOU CAN DRIVE LARGE VEHICLES IN. OH, I SEE. DO, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE ACCESS FROM MASON WOODS. SO YOU SAID THAT YOU SHARE, YOU SHARE A ROAD. CORRECT. NONE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS ACCESS TO MASON WOOD. OUR ONLY ACCESS IS TO EVANS ROAD. MASON WOOD IS A PRIVATE STREET OWNED BY THE H O A. AND HOW TALL IS THE TUNNEL THAT THE CARS GO THROUGH? I WANNA SAY 12 FEET, NOT VERY TALL. OKAY. SO IT WILL DEFINITELY THEN BE UNDER THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING BEHIND IT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S GONNA A A TO ANY NOISE ATTENUATION RIGHT THERE. UM, SO A CAR COMES IN OFF OF EVANS. LOOKS LIKE THEY, WE'VE SEEN THIS PLAN BEFORE WHERE THEY KIND OF WEAVE AROUND, TAKE THEIR PAY, GO THROUGH, DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT CORRECT PAY. YEAH. CHEAP OR PRIMO CAR WASH, GO THROUGH THE TUNNEL AND THEN COME, I ALWAYS GO FOR THE CHEAP AND THEN GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH AND THEN COME AROUND TO, UH, VACUUM CLEANERS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S BASE CORRECT. THEY CAN VACUUM THEIR CAR OR NOT. OKAY. AND ARE THESE THE VACUUM CLEANERS THAT ARE YOU KIND OF ON AND YOU JUST TAKE IT OUT OF THE SUCTION THERE AND YOU JUST GO FOR IT AND THEN PUT IT BACK? OR DO YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE? CORRECT. CORRECT. SO THEY'RE [01:05:01] PRETTY AND THOSE ARE PRETTY QUIET. YEAH. THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF WHAT YOU PAY WHEN YOU GO THROUGH AND THEY'RE VERY QUIET. THEY'RE NOT THE LOUD ONES YOU HAVE IN THE OLDER FACILITIES. YEAH. YOU DON'T HEAR THEM AT ALL? UH, I DON'T HEAR THEM AT ALL. UM, AND THEN THEY GO AHEAD AND LEAVE OUT AT THE SAME, SO WE HAVE THE SAME ENTRANCE AND EXIT OFF ONTO EVANS. UH, CAN THEY MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN OR RIGHT HAND TURN? THEY CAN ONLY MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN. THERE'S A MEDIAN RIGHT THERE ON IN EVANS ROAD. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. ALRIGHT, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, THE DEVELOPER'S WILLINGNESS TO PUT UP SOME TREES THAT WILL GROW QUICKLY. UM, I MEAN THE ONLY ONES I KNOW ARE, UH, JACK AND BEAN STOCK TYPE TREES, BUT WHAT TREES WOULD THOSE MAYBE LIKE A MESQUITE OAK OR WHAT ARE THOSE CALLED, THE OAK ONES THAT GROW VERY FAST OR COTTONWOODS OR DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE RED TIPS? RED TIPS WILL GO PRETTY FAST. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, YOUR, AND THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE BACK WHERE THE TUNNEL IS OR ALONG MASON WOOD OR BOTH ALONG MASON WOOD, WHERE THE TUNNEL IS. OKAY. AND THEN THE FENCE IS GONNA GO UP. ARE THE TREES ON THE OUTSIDE OR THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE? ON OUR PROPERTY LINE. SO THE TREES WOULD BE INSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE AND WE'LL WORK WITH ENCINO RANCH, H O A IF THEY WANT US TO DO SOME PLANNING ON THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. APPARENTLY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PERMISSION. OKAY. THAT'S NICE. AND THEN WITH THE MILITARY LIGHTING ORDINANCE, UM, WHICH IS, IS QUITE, UM, IT HAS A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON IT AS EVEN DOWN TO THE BULB. UM, ANYTHING OVER A LIGHT HAS TO BE SHIELDED CERTAIN HEIGHT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO IT'LL KIND OF GIVE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A YELLOWISH CUE IN THE PAR IN THIS AREA AT NIGHT AND NOT A GLARING WHITE LIGHT. AND WE'VE AGREED TO CLOSE AT 7:00 PM SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE SOME MINIMUM LIGHTING FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ALL THEIR LIGHTS ON AFTER 7:00 PM OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC ITSELF, WHAT I DON'T, THEY PROBABLY HAVEN'T DONE A T AT THIS POINT, OR DID THEY DO A TO YOU? WE JUST DID THE WORKSHEET. IT DOESN'T GENERATE ENOUGH TRIPS. IT DOESN'T OKAY. FULL BLOWN. T I A AND THERE WASN A T I DONE IT PROPERTY'S ALREADY PLATTED ONE WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE PLAT. OKAY. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR. I'LL OPEN UP TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH, UH, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? I JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. PATRICK, WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL HOURS OF OPERATION? I KNOW YOU SAID YOU CLOSED AT SEVEN. WHAT TIME ARE THEY OPENING? WE'RE WE'RE AGREEING TO 8:00 AM TO 7:00 PM AND IS THAT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? YES MA'AM. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. OKAY. AND, UM, DID I UNDERSTAND OR HEAR CORRECTLY, YOU'RE GONNA DO 85% RECLAMATION? I BELIEVE THE SAS RECOMMENDATION WAS 80%. I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I'LL LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND I JUST MAY HAVE HEARD WRONG. UM, OKAY. UH, AND THEN A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DID NOT GET THE CAPTAIN'S LAST NAME, BUT HE, UH, STATED THAT HE HAD SENT IN A LETTER AND I DID NOT RECEIVE A COPY. DID WE RECEIVE A COPY OF HIS COMMUNICATION? UH, IT WAS RECEIVED AFTER DEADLINE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY SEND IT AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO YOU GUYS. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN IF THE CAPTAIN IS LISTENING, LET ME JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER, UM, COMMISSIONER SYS? YES. I HEARD, UH, MENTION ABOUT, UH, THE MILITARY LIGHTING OVERLAY DISTRICT. THIS, IS THIS ACTUALLY IN AN M L O D OR IS IT JUST, I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION FOR STAFF. AND THEN THE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS, IF IT'S NOT IN THE M L O D, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE FOLLOWING THE LIGHTING STANDARDS OF THE M L O D? THIS IS THE APPLICANT. WE ARE NOT IN THE M L O D, BUT WE'LL AGREE TO THE STANDARDS OF THE M L O D. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. THANKS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? OKAY, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ALRIGHT, I THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMING OUT WITH THEIR CONCERN AND THEIR, AND, UH, GIVING, EXPRESSING, UH, WHY. UM, JUST TO KIND OF MAKE NOTE, THIS PARTICULAR [01:10:01] TRACK HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE A WHILE, NUMBER OF YEARS AND, AND MAYBE A NOTE FOR ANY OTHER HOME ASSOCIATION OUT THERE, EVEN MYSELF, THAT THERE IS A WAY TO GET AHOLD OF DEVELOPERS WHEN TRACKS STAY VACANT THAT LONG. WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT THERE TO BE VACANT, THEY'RE THERE TO BE DEVELOPED. AND, UM, IT MAY HAVE, UH, BEEN A LITTLE MORE FORWARD THINKING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REACH OUT TO THE DEVELOPER AND KIND OF WORK WITH THEM ON WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE. OF COURSE, LAND IS FLUID. DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THAT WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO TODAY IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO TOMORROW. UM, JUST A LITTLE SIDE NOTE, APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH PATRICK ON THIS. THE DEVELOPERS WAS QUITE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROBABLY THIS STILL, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME CONDITIONS ON HERE. SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF NUM. WHAT NUMBER ARE WE ON? THIS IS NUMBER FOUR. AND ITEM NUMBER OH, WE'RE NUMBER TWO. SORRY. . ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE HOURS OF OPERATION. 8:00 AM TO SEVEN, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL FAST-GROWING TREE PLANTINGS ALONG MASON WOOD FOR BUFFER AND A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG MASON WOOD AS WELL. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD PUT THE CONDITIONS IN THERE ABOUT THE SIDEWALK. I THINK THEY ARE JUST SAYING THEY'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING THAT WITH THE CITY TO REMOVE THE, UM, THE REQUEST FROM THE CITY FOR THAT. BUT ALONG WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, MY MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AND A SECOND BY, UM, COMMISSIONER WHITE. UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER BOOSTER MONTE. AND I APOLOGIZE MADAM CHAIR. UM, ARE THERE SAS CONDITIONS AS WELL? UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, YOU WANNA AMEND TO, IF, IF NOT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE SAS CONDITIONS? YES. TO INCLUDE THE SA CONDITIONS? YES, CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE? COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH, I JUST ALSO WANT TO, UH, THANK THE CAPTAIN FOR HIS SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY. UM, ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK THAT, UH, THE USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. UM, WHETHER THERE'S OTHER CAR WASHES IN THE AREA, UM, WERE NOT, I THINK, UH, THE DEVELOPER AND THE FOLKS INVESTING IN THIS HAVE PROBABLY PRETTY ADEQUATELY, UH, VETTED THAT, UH, TO DETERMINE IF, IF THIS, UH, CAR WASH IS GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL, APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND THAT'S WHY I'M IN, UH, SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITE. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YEAH, MINOR POINT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SAY FAST GROWING TREES AND A CONDITION UNLESS THE, UM, CITY HAS A LIST OF FAST GROWING TREES. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE THAT'S JUST TOO SUBJECTIVE. AND IF YOU WANNA PUT IN RED TIP FOOT TINEAS, THAT'S FINE. BUT DON'T CALL 'EM TREES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, DISCUSSION? DO WE WANNA PUT A, A TREE THAT MUST GROW WITHIN CERTAIN HEIGHT BY ONE YEAR TIME? UM, YOU CAN'T ENFORCE THAT. I WOULD, I THINK IT SHOULD JUST STICK WITH IT, LIKE PLANTING TREES IN A CERTAIN PLACE IS ENFORCEABLE. ALL RIGHT. UH, I, I DO APPRECIATE YOU SAYING FAST GROWING, UH, PATRICK. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR INTENT ANYWAYS, BUT I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? UH, UH, CHAIR, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THE, THE CONDITION WILL SAY RECOMMENDED PLANT LIST. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS TELLING US. OH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD WORDING. YEAH, I LIKE THAT. THAT, OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. UM, ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE FOR APPROVAL WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 8:00 AM TO 7:00 PM A TREE BUFFER PER THE, UH, PER, PER THE DESCRIBED OR PRESCRIBED U D C TREE LIST. FENCED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT ON MASON. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? YES. [01:15:01] COMMISSIONER, WE HI, DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SYS? YES. VICE CHAIR BUSANTE, UH, AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES 11 TO ZERO. ITEM NUMBER [3. 20-6747 (Continued from 10/06/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700201 CD (Council District 2)] THREE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R M SIX TO R FOUR CD. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 7 32 NORTH PINE STREET. WE SENT OUT 26 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED THREE IN OPPOSITION, ZERO IN SUPPORT. A PETITION AND OPPOSITION WAS SIGNED BY NINE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE TWO UNDER FOOT BUFFER. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS OPPOSED. AND NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. THE CURRENT RM SIX RESIDENTIAL MIXED DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPERTY WAS PURPOSELY REZONED FROM R FOUR. THE CURRENT RM SIX IN 2012 ALLOWING FOR UP TO FOUR UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE CONDUCIVE WITH THE ESTABLISHED LAND USES AND DENSITIES OF THE AREA. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THEY ARE AMENDING THE REQUEST TO R FOUR CD FOR THREE UNITS BY TODAY'S ZONING STANDARDS. THE TWO EXISTING UNITS IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THE ARM SIX. THE THIRD UNIT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NONCONFORMING AND WOULD BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO THIS, TO THIS ALTERNATE REQUEST. MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? ADI OR RIO, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES. UH, I'M, YES MA'AM. I'M HERE. GO AHEAD, SIR. YEAH. UH, SO THE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THERE IS A, UH, THREE UNITS FROM ON, UH, ON THAT. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, IMPROVE ANYTHING LIKE, UH, NOT GOING TO BUILD. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE REQUESTING R FOUR CD WITH THE, UH, THREE UNITS ON IT. SO THERE IS NOT, NOT ADDING ANY MORE UNITS. JUST ONE CORRECTION, SIR. THAT SHOULD BE, YOU SAID RMM FOUR CD IT SHOULD BE R FOUR CD FOR THREE UNITS? YES. R YEAH. R FOUR CD. SORRY, I MISSPOKE. YEAH. R FOUR CD CONDITIONAL WITH THE THREE UNITS ONLY. OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR. IF YOU'LL STAND BY, THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS STAFF? I'M SORRY, I I COULD NOT HEAR THAT. I WAS ASKING STAFF. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE'RE DOUBLE CHECKING. UM, ALL OF THE COMMENTS YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED BEFORE THE MEETING. THERE'S NOTHING TO READ, BUT WE'RE JUST CHECKING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A VOICEMAIL. NO, MA'AM. THERE ARE NO, NO PUBLIC COMMENT, NO LIVE CALLERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, DIDN'T WE, DIDN'T I SEE A LETTER SAYING THAT THEY, THAT THE, UH, ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS WAS IN APPROVAL WITH THE AMENDMENT? YES, MA'AM. UH, WE STATED THAT AS PART OF THE RECORD AT THE BEGINNING. THEY ARE GOOD WITH THE AMENDMENT TO OUR FOUR CD FOR THREE UNITS, AND THAT IS THE, UM, SIGN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT SO. OKAY. UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONER? UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YEAH, THIS IS FOR STAFF. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS TO ME AGAIN? SO THERE'S, THERE'S THREE UNITS THERE. AND THE CHANGE OF ZONING, IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THE CHANGE OF ZONING WOULD ALLOW THE TWO TO BE THERE APPROPRIATELY, BUT THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING. SO WE'D BE GIVING A ZONING CHANGE THAT ALLOWS A, NOT, THAT JUST SEEMS ODD. I MEAN, THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING. NOW, WHY DO THEY NEED TO CHANGE TO BE NON-CONFORMING? NO, NO, YOU'RE CORRECT. IT IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW AS NON-CONFORMING. SO RMM SIX ALLOWS THE TWO UNITS BY RIGHT. THE OTHER UNIT THAT THERE, THAT IS THERE IS NON-CONFORMING. AND SO THEY ARE TRYING TO RE RESUME, UH, REZONE JUST SO [01:20:01] THAT THEY CAN HAVE ALL OF THEIR UNITS IN COMPLIANCE TO ZONING. OKAY. SO IF WE GAVE THE, THE ALTERNATE CHANGE, THEY WOULD BE TOTALLY INCON CONFORMANCE THAT, 'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE BEFORE YOU SAID THE THIRD UNIT WOULD STILL BE NON-CONFORMING? NO, WE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE CURRENT, LIKE TODAY, THE WAY THE PROPERTY SITS, THE RM SIX ALLOWS THE TWO UNITS, BUT THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE NON-CONFORMING UNIT, WHICH IS THE THIRD UNIT. SO, OKAY, I GOT IT. I, I JUST HEARD YOU WRONG. OKAY. OKAY. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? OKAY, COMMISSIONER JONES? UH, YOU'RE MUTED, COMMISSIONER. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO, UH, MOVE THAT, UH, FOR APPROVAL, UH, OF THIS, UH, CASE WITH THE AMENDMENT. SECOND ROMERO. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER JONES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. VICE CHAIR BUSTAMONTE. UH, CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR R FOUR CD WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR THREE UNITS. 11 TO ZERO. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. ITEM [4. 20-6744 (Continued from 11/03/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700015 CD (Council District 1)] NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO AND C THREE TO C THREE CD. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR WAREHOUSING. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 12,000 BLOCK OF WEST AVENUE. WE SENT OUT 39 NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. THE CURRENT C THREE AND C TWO ZONINGS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C THREE CD IS ALSO AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA WITH GOOD VEHICULAR ACCESS AND EXISTING WAREHOUSING USES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU. MAY YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. WE ARE GETTING THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. PLEASE STAND. HI, THIS IS ASHLEY FAIRMONT. AM I ON? [01:25:02] YOU ARE. OKAY, GREAT. HI EVERYONE. UM, AGAIN, ASHLEY FAIRMONT WITH KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMONT. THANK YOU, UM, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY. UM, I'LL GET RIGHT INTO IT. HOPEFULLY SOMEONE FROM STAFF CAN PULL UP, UM, MY PRESENTATION FOR THE WEST AND WEST BLOCK PARKWAY. UM, HOPEFULLY THAT'S UP. SO ON SLIDE TWO OF THAT PRESENTATION, UH, IS JUST AN OVERALL AERIAL OF THE AREA. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS A REZONING OF 55 ACRES. SO THIS SITE IS, UM, JUST WEST OF 2 81 AND THEN IT'S BOUNDED TO THE NORTH BY INNER PARK, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE BY WEST AVENUE. AND THEN IT'S JUST NORTH OF WBA PARKWAY. UM, TO THE WEST OF THE SITE ALSO IS SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY. AND THEN ALONG THE NORTH SIDE IS BUSINESS PARK AND COMMERCIAL USES OF SLIDE THREE PLEASE. UH, THIS IS A CURRENT ZONING MAP. UH, AS STAFF MENTIONED, THE SITE HAS A BASE ZONING OF, OF COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW. IT'S A MIXTURE OF, UH, ABOUT A 300 FOOT WIDE STRIP ALONG WEST AVENUE OF C THREE ZONING. AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE IS C TWO. UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT THE ENTIRE BASE ZONING OF THE SITE CHANGED TO A C THREE AND THEN FOR A CONDITIONAL USE FOR WAREHOUSING, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAREHOUSING USE IS TO ALLOW FOR A DISTRIBUTION CENTER ON THE SITE. UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE C THREE ZONING TO THE NORTH, UH, WHICH IS THE RED C TWO AND C THREE IS RED, AND THEN ALSO THE L LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH AND ALSO TO THE EAST OF THE SITE. UH, SLIDE FOUR, PLEASE. UH, THIS IS A JUST A A A QUICK SLIDE ON THE SAN ANTONIO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT LAND USE PLAN. UH, IT DOES CALL FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE BUSINESS PARK, UH, AND C THREE IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT DESIGNATION AND GETTING INTO THE, THE MORE INTERESTING PART OF THE PRESENTATION AND THE REQUEST OF SLIDES FIVE. UH, SO THIS IS, UH, AN UPDATED SITE PLAN AND I WANNA MAKE SURE, I BELIEVE THIS WAS SUBMITTED TO STAFF, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THIS FOR OUR, OUR CONDITIONAL USE SITE PLAN. UH, SO THIS IS A PLAN THAT WE'LL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH IF YOU APPROVE TODAY, UH, IN THE PROPOSED USE FOR WAREHOUSING. THE DISTRIBUTION CENTER IS FOR AN AMAZON LAST MILE, UH, FACILITY. AND SO AS, AS MANY OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW, AMAZON HAS LARGE DISTRIBUTION FULFILLMENT CENTERS, SORTATION CENTERS, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND, EXCUSE ME, A MILLION SQUARE FEET, UM, WHERE A PRODUCT IS KEPT AND STORED. AND THEN FROM THERE, PACKAGES GO TO LAST MILE FACILITIES BEFORE THEY'RE DELIVERED TO ALL OF YOUR HOMES. SO THE INTENT OF THIS FACILITY IS, IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW LAST MILE FACILITY THAT CAN GET PACKAGES IN AND OUT, UH, TO CUSTOMERS FASTER IN THE AREA IN THE SAN ANTONIO COMMUNITY. UH, SLIDE SIX, PLEASE. UH, I, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND KINDA ZOOM IN ON THE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION THAT WILL OCCUR ON THE SITE AND ALSO REALLY THE, THE OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY. SO THIS IS A BIT MORE ZOOMED IN. AND, AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS, IS THE PROPOSED LAST MILE FACILITY IS ABOUT 141,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST OF THAT BUILDING IS A PINK AREA. AND THAT IS, UH, WHERE THE TRUCKS, THE, THE LARGE 18 WHEELERS WILL COME IN AND OUT WITH DELIVERIES. SO, UH, THEY WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE SITE TO AND FROM WBA PARKWAY. AND YOU KNOW, THAT TRUCK UNLOADING AND LOADING ZONE WAS LOCATED AS FAR AWAY POSSIBLE FROM ANY RESIDENCES THAT ARE WEST OF THE SITE OFF OF WEST AVENUE. UM, AND ALSO THE TRUCKS, THEIR FOCUS IS TO COME IN AND OUT IN THE NIGHTTIME, PRIMARILY FROM 12:00 AM TO 4:00 AM AND THEN MOVING ON, ON THE SITE PLAN TO THE, UH, WEST OF THE BUILDING, YOU SEE AN ORANGE AREA AND THAT IS EMPLOYEE PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES THAT WILL PARK, UM, AN OFFICE WITHIN THE FACILITY. SO SORTATION EMPLOYEES, OFFICE EMPLOYEES, AND THEY WILL ALSO ONLY HAVE ACCESS IN AND OFF OF HORSEBACK PARKWAY. AND THEN COMING BACK AND GOING TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE, YOU SEE THE LARGE BLUE VAN PARKING AREA. SO THAT IS FOR VAN PARKING AND ALSO, UH, THE DRIVERS OF THE VAN. SO WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, IS HOW THE VEHICLE CIRCULATE ON THE SITE. UM, A KEY TO OPERATION OF THE FACILITY IS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT AND IS SCHEDULED, WHICH MAKES IT EFFICIENT AND THEREFORE PACKAGES QUICKER. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, UH, EMPLOYEES WHO DRIVE THE VANS WOULD COME INTO THE SITE OFF OF INNER PARK, PARK, THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES AND GET THE VANS. UM, THEIR DROP OFF AND PICKUP IS SCHEDULED. THEY'RE STAGGERED BY HALF HOURS TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP TRAFFIC DOWN OF EMPLOYEES COMING TO AND FROM THE SITE. UH, THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS HAVE A SAFETY BRIEFING PRIOR TO GETTING IN THEIR VAN FOR THE DAY. UM, AND THEN THE VANS, YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN LINES ON THIS SITE PLAN. UH, THE VANS REALLY FOLLOW THAT CIRCULATION. SO THEY WOULD COME IN BEHIND THE [01:30:01] BUILDING, PICK UP THEIR PACKAGES, AND THEN EXIT FROM THE SITE ON WBA PARKWAY. SO ALSO EXITING ON WBA PARKWAY. UM, AND THE VANS DO LEAVE, THE INTENT IS TO LEAVE IN THE OFF PEAK HOURS, SO THEY AVOID OBVIOUSLY THE RUSH HOUR OF THE MORNING. SO THEY WOULD LEAVE BETWEEN NINE 30 AND 11 OR SO, AND THEN THEY MAKE DELIVERIES AND THEN THEY COME BACK AFTER THE PEAK HOUR IN THE RUSH HOUR OF THE EVENING. SO GENERALLY SEVEN TO NINE OR 10 WHENEVER THEIR PACKAGES ARE DELIVERED. UM, ONE THING THAT WAS A QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, IF VANS CAN RETURN TO THE SITE FROM WARS BLOCK PARKWAY AND THAT WILL BE POSSIBLE, THEY CAN TURN, CAN RETURN FROM WARS BLOCK OR INNER PARK, UH, WITH THE IDEA OF KEEPING AS MUCH TRAFFIC AS POSSIBLE FROM THE SITE ON WARS BLOCK PARKWAY, UM, IN INSTEAD OF ON WEST AVENUE INNER PARK. AND I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THIS SITE HAS NO ACCESS TO WEST AVENUE. WE'RE KEEPING ALL ACCESS FROM W BLOCK PRIMARILY, AND THEN ALSO FROM INNER PARK. IF WE COULD JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SLIDE SEVEN. UM, PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IS BUFFERING. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS 55 ACRES, BUT THERE IS SPACE TO PROVIDE A LARGE LANDSCAPE AND NATURAL AREA BUFFERS, UM, FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENCES ALONG WBA A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN PRIMARILY ALONG WEST AND INNER PARK. SO ON WEST, UH, THE INTENT HERE IS THERE'S A 200 FOOT DEEP BUFFER THAT'S BEING PROVIDED OFF OF WEST, UM, WITHIN THIS BUFFER. AND SOME OF THE LANGUAGES IN THE CONDITIONAL USE IS THAT TREES AND UNDERSTORY WILL PRE PRESERVE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, YOU KNOW, ANY ACTIVITY THAT MAY BE NECESSARY TO DEVELOP THE SITE. SO THE IDEA THAT THIS AREA CAN BE LEFT NATURAL, BUT THEN ALSO IMPROVED IN APPEARANCE WITH LANDSCAPING ALONG WEST AVENUE. AND THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT'S WITHIN THIS CONDITIONAL USE THAT THERE BE A TYPE B BUFFER ALONG WEST AVENUE. UM, ALONG INNER PARK THERE WILL BE A 45 FOOT SETBACK BUFFER TYPE AREA. THERE ARE SOME NICE EXISTING TREES ON INNER PARK THAT WILL BE PRESERVED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, OF DRIVEWAY CUTS INTO THE PARKING LOT. SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT BY LEAVING THESE AREAS NATURAL AND LANDSCAPED, IT NOT ONLY AS ADDS TO THE AESTHETICS OF THE PROJECT, BUT IT ALSO CAN MITIGATE ANY SOUND, UH, AND ONSITE ACTIVITIES THAT YOU COULD HEAR OR SEE. AND FINALLY, THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME LANDSCAPING AND PLANTING ALONG WOCK. UM, IF WE COULD QUICKLY JUST JUMP TO SLIDES, UM, 8, 9, 10, 11. WE CAN JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY. I CAN'T SEE, BUT I ASSUME THAT STAFF CAN GET THROUGH THOSE. UM, THE IDEA HERE IS JUST TO SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE BUILDINGS WILL LOOK LIKE. UH, THE FIRST IS AN EXAMPLE OF JUST A BUILDING IN THE EVENING WITH THE DOWN LIGHTING. THIS IS ANOTHER NEWLY BUILT LAST MILE FACILITY. UH, SLIDE NINE. THIS IS JUST THE REAR OF THE FACILITY WHERE PACKAGES ARE PICKED UP AND DROPPED OFF. THIS IS VERY UNLIKELY TO BE SEEN BY ANYONE, UH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALL WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SAME WITH SLIDE 10. AND THEN JUMPING ON TO SLIDE 11, UM, THAT IS JUST A PICTURE OF A FACILITY IN THE EVENING. AND THE INTENT OF THIS, I KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT LIGHTING, BUT JUST TO SHOW THAT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE DOWN LIGHTING AND BE COMPLIANT WITH THE M L O D, WHICH WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO PER THE ZONING. UM, SO I WENT THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING PRETTY CLOSELY WITH COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. I WANNA THANK HER FOR PUTTING QUITE A BIT OF TIME INTO THIS CASE. UM, AND WITH THAT I WILL HAND IT OVER TO STAFF AND THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I KNOW THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU STAFF. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES MA'AM. WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. OKAY. CASE NUMBER Z 20 21 0 7 0 0 0 15 CD AMAZON WAREHOUSE PROPOSAL. CINDY MUNCH, 1 3 7 0 3 BRIDGEWOOD 7 8 2 1 6. MY COMMENTS ON THE WEST AVENUE SIDE OF THE WAREHOUSE OPERATION PROPOSED A 1200 CAR AND DELIVERY VAN PARKING LOT SETBACK 200 FEET WOULD BE ACROSS FROM A GARDEN HOME NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SECOND PARKING LOT ON WEST AVENUE WITH NO SETBACK IS CITED ACROSS FROM APARTMENT HOME. A WALL MATCHING THE EXISTING PRIVACY WALL ON THE GARDEN HOME SIDE OF WEST AVENUE WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL NOISE AND SOUND BARRIER AND TRANSITION FROM HOME LIVING TO A WAREHOUSE FACILITY. PRIVACY WALLS ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF BIDDERS AND ARE NOT KNOWN TO CREATE MORE SOUND OR CAUSE BOUND TO BE LOUDER. BUT THE INPUT FOR THIS WALL WAS FOR PLACEMENT ALONG THE PARKING LOT, NOT ALONG WEST AVENUE EXCEPT FOR WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS RIGHT ON WEST AVENUE. A WALL OF THE PARKING LOTS WOULD CUT DOWN THE VISIBILITY OF VEHICLES AT THE, AND THE ACTIVITY IN THE [01:35:01] LOT, THE 200 FEET OF GREEN SPACE PROVIDES SOUND ABSORPTION AND TRANSITION FROM COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. ANY STREET WIDENING OR TURN LANE ADDITION WOULD COME OUT OF THE 200 JEEP TYPE B BRUSH, WHICH IS NOT A VISUAL SCREEN AND SURELY WILL BE MAINTAINED TO SOME EXTENT IN NO LONGER A VACANT LOT NEIGHBORS REQUESTED PHOTOGRAPHS OF OTHER AMAZON WAREHOUSES NEXT TO NEIGHBORHOOD ONLY CLOSEUPS OF WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS WERE PROVIDED. IT'S BUILT. THIS FACILITY WILL BE THE PICTURE OF AMAZON COMING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD. CITY LEADERSHIP IS PROVIDED VIA AND H O V LANES FOR RESIDENTS BECAUSE HIGHWAYS AND PARKWAYS CANNOT KEEP UP WITH THE TRAFFIC. THIS PROPOSAL PUT THE WAREHOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY ADDING TRAFFIC CONCENTRATION TO THOSE VERY HIGHWAYS AND STREETS. WILL THE CITY KEEP THE UNION JOBS OF U P S, FEDEX AND POSTAL FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDING PACKAGE AND ROUTING AND HOME DELIVERY SERVICES? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. FARMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TIME TO RESPOND? UH, SURE. UH, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS SITE IS, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE TO DO OBVIOUSLY EXTENSIVE DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC STUDIES, ALL OF WHICH ARE BEING CONDUCTED RIGHT NOW, UH, TO REVIEW, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE IMPACT AND, AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS DO NEED TO BE MADE. SO THAT STUFF WILL BE WORKED THROUGH WITH THE STORM WATER DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT. AND LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT THE TRAFFIC IS REALLY ON THOSE OFF PEAK HOURS. SO THE, IT SHOULD BE HOPEFULLY A MINIMAL IMPACT. AND ADDITIONALLY, THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A PROJECT THAT'S CREATING MORE PACKAGES, UM, AND MORE TRAFFIC THAT'S BEING DELIVERED. IT MAY BE CONCENTRATING MORE VEHICLES IN THIS AREA, BUT, BUT THOSE ARE VANS THAT ARE, ARE CURRENTLY MAKING DELIVERIES NOW. AND I, I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME MENTION OF A FENCE. UH, WE FEEL THAT THE 200 FOOT BUFFER IS A PRETTY SUFFICIENT AND VERY LARGE BUFFER TO BE PROVIDED ALONG WEST AVENUE. AND IF WE CAN KEEP THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL TREE PLANTINGS, AGAIN TO APPROVE THE AESTHETICS, WE BELIEVE THAT IT, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY GOOD AND SUFFICIENT BUFFER, UM, FROM WEST AND THEN FROM, THERE'S A WALL ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WEST FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND THEN THEIR HOMES. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, I HAVE TO SAY THAT, UH, THIS IS WHERE NEXTDOOR HAS REALLY KIND OF HELPED WITH THIS, UH, PROJECT. UH, A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THIS AREA ARE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE AMAZON AS THEIR NEIGHBOR. UM, HOWEVER, THIS WAS A VACANT TRACK OF LAND, ANOTHER ONE OVER 20 YEARS. I THINK BOTH THE BUSINESS PARK AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE PROBABLY BUILT AROUND THE SAME TIMEFRAME. THIS PARTICULAR TRACT HAS REMAINED VACANT FOR, WELL SINCE THE EIGHTIES WHEN IT WAS DEVELOPED. SO THIS IS GONNA BE A BIT OF A CHANGE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, I DID WANNA ASK, UH, STAFF REAL QUICK BEFORE I ASK, ASK ASHLEY SOME QUESTIONS AND MAYBE THAT'LL HELP ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WITH THEIR QUESTIONS. BUT I AM CURIOUS WITH STAFF WHEN IT'S DESIGNATED BUSINESS PARK, UH, IS, IS THAT AN OLD DESIGNATION ZONING CODE OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT COULD YOU EXPLAIN? BUSINESS PARK. THAT'S JUST THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT IS DESCRIBED AS PART OF THE, THE PLAN AREA FOR THE STINSON AIRPORT. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE, I'M SORRY, STINSON SAN ANTONIO INTERNATIONAL. YEAH. . SO SO THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE ALL COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY? YES. GENERALLY IT'S YOUR, UH, C THREE AND UP INDUSTRIAL. OKAY. AND I THINK EVEN THE SIGNAGE IN THIS AREA SAYS INNER PARK BUSINESS PARK. SO WE WERE ALL FAMILIAR THAT THIS WAS, THIS IS ALL COMMERCIAL AND IF YOU GO DOWN INNER PARK FROM WEST AVENUE, WHICH TRAVELS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 2 81, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DIFFERENCE OF, UH, SOME WAREHOUSING OFFICES. FEDEX IS OVER THERE. SAM'S WAREHOUSE WAS AT THE VERY END OF IT AS WELL. SO IT'S TOTALLY BEEN COMMERCIAL FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. SO THAT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL EXPECTATION ON THE NEIGHBORS. UM, OKAY, SO ON FOR ME, I KNOW THE BIG THING WAS THE SOUND AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SOUND IS AS MINIMAL AS WE COULD POSSIBLY GET IT, UM, OR COMMERCIAL PARK. 'CAUSE WE'RE ALSO NEAR THE AIRPORT. UM, AND I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THE ENGINEER, THE SOUND ENGINEER IN HIS REPORT. COULD YOU RECAP THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR US, ASHLEY, IF YOU CAN, ON HIS, HIS DISCOVERY OF THE SOUND EXISTING IN THE [01:40:01] SOUND WITH THE MITIGATION OF THE 200 FOOT BUFFER OF THE, UM, OF JUST THE TREES AND BUSHES THERE? YEAH, SURE. I'LL DO MY BEST. UM, I ALSO HAVE ON THE LINE, UH, SARAH BETH WHITE. SARAH BETH IS WITH KIMLEY HORN ENGINEERS WHO'S A PROJECT ENGINEER. UM, SHE'S NOT THE TRAFFIC, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE SOUND ENGINEER BUT, BUT MAYBE CAN ADD IN SARAH IF I MISS ANYTHING. UM, BASICALLY, UM, A SOUND STUDY WAS CONDUCTED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT AND IF ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, MITIGATION OR OR WORK NEEDED TO BE DONE ON THE SOUND. AND, AND THE INITIAL REVIEW WAS THAT, UH, BASED ON REALLY THE LOCATION OF THE, THE TRUCKS, UH, COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE, WHICH ARE THE, THE LOUDEST NOISE GENERATION, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL STUDIES OR MITIGATION DIDN'T NEED TO BE DONE. UM, PARTICULARLY WITH THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE, UM, THE SOUND ENGINEER FEELS LIKE WITH HAVING THAT IN PLACE, UH, WITH LEAVING SOME OF THE UNDERSTORY AND LEAVING IT A LITTLE BIT THICKER, UH, THAT CAN MITIGATE SOUND, UH, FROM THE SITE AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO OBVIOUSLY THE EXISTING WORST BUCK PARKWAY, WHICH CREATES SOUND. UM, AND RIGHT NOW I THINK COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, YOU HAD BROUGHT UP A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW DO EXISTING TREES MITIGATE FOR THAT SOUND? UM, AND THE ANSWER WAS I THINK SOMEWHAT, BUT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL ALSO HELP MITIGATE SOUND AND THEN ALSO THE WAY THE SITE WILL BE GRADED WILL ALSO ASSIST WITH THE SOUND BECAUSE BASICALLY IT, IT GOES DOWN, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORS. SO A LONG WAY OF SAYING WE THINK THE IMPACT OF SOUND IS MINIMAL, UM, AND THE BUFFERING WILL WILL HELP WITH THAT MITIGATION. RIGHT. AND WE DON'T HAVE A STREET VIEW, BUT WE DO HAVE A MASONRY WALL THAT, THAT IS ON WEST AVENUE WHERE THOSE RESIDENCE HOMES ARE. SO THEY HAVE THAT SOUND WALL, UH, PROOF WALL ALREADY IN PLACE THERE AS WELL. AND I THINK HE, THE SOUND ENGINEER HAD EVEN MENTIONED THAT TO PUT UP A SECONDARY WALL COULD REVERBERATE SOUND CAUSING WEST AVENUE TO BE LOUDER THAN IF IT WAS JUST MITIGATED THROUGH THE DENSITY OF THE BRUSH THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE AND IT'S VERY THICK. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE, YOU DON'T PLAN TO CLEAN IT OUT, THAT IT'LL STAY THICK IN, IN NATURE. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN, UM, DIFFERENT PREFERENCES FROM NEIGHBORS ON WHETHER THEY WOULD PREFER IT TO BE CLEANED UP, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF UNDERSTORY REMOVED OR IF THAT UNDERSTORY WOULD REMAIN. UH, AND I THINK THE CONSENSUS IN TALKING WITH YOU AND THE SOUND ENGINEER AND SOME ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORS WAS THAT, UM, THAT IT'D BE LEFT IN AS, AS NATURAL A STATE AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO APPROVE THE AESTHETICS AND THE APPEARANCE OF THAT AREA, THERE WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ADDED ALONG WEST. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN WE, WHEN WE TURN THE CORNER THERE WEST AND INNER PARK AND COME DOWN IN A PARK, WE'RE PASSING THESE PARKING LOTS THERE. BUT THOSE ARE, DID YOU SAY THEY'RE 30 FEET FROM INNER PARK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE? YEAH. YES. UM, I BELIEVE THE BLUE PARKING LOT, THE BLUE PARKING LOT ALONG INNER PARK ROAD. UH OH, THE YES, OUR PARKING LOT. EXCUSE ME. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF INNER PARK. UH, NO, OUR PARKING LOT IS, UM, 45 FEET SETBACK. OH, OKAY. 45. AND I THINK YOU WERE GONNA DO SOME TREE PRESERVATION OR TREE PLANTING ALONG THAT AS WELL? UH, YES. THERE ARE SOME VERY NICE EXISTING TREES, UH, ALONG INNER PARK. THERE'S STILL LANDSCAPING BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET. SO, SO THERE WILL BE A TREE PLANTING AND TREE UH, PRESERVATION THERE. THERE. OKAY. AND THEN AS WE GO FURTHER DOWN IN A PARK, UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE GONNA SEE A BIG CHUNK OF LAND THERE THAT'S LEFT WITH NO DEVELOPMENT ON IT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? YES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, A BIG PORTION OF THE SITE WILL REMAIN UNDEVELOPED. UH, THERE WILL BE LIKELY DETENTION IMPROVEMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, GRASP DETENTION PONDS ON PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. TREE PRESERVATION IS IMPORTANT. UM, THAT WILL ALL BE OCCURRING IN THAT, THAT SPACE THAT WILL REMAIN UNDEVELOPED. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN AS FAR AS TRAFFIC ACTIVITIES, AS THE COMMISSIONERS CAN SEE, IF THEY FOLLOWED THE GREEN ARROWS, ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM THE VANS AND THE SEMI-TRUCK ARE GOING IN AND OUT OFF OF THE W BLOCK PARKWAY ACCESS ROAD. UM, WHICH IS A REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF ACTIVITY OVER THERE AS IT IS, BUT ALL OF IT FUNNELS THAT WAY. UM, AND I THINK, UH, THE SOUND ENGINEER HAD MENTIONED THAT EVEN THE DIESEL TRUCKS, THAT THE SEMIS THAT HAUL THINGS HAVE IMPROVED OVER THE YEARS. AND I WOULD KIND OF KNOW AS MY SON'S A, UH, AN 18 [01:45:01] WHEELER AND SO THE SOUND ON THESE TRUCKS HAS BEEN, IS MUCH LESS THAN LET'S SAY SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT OLDER. BUT AS I'VE READ, AMAZON INTENDS TO EVEN GO FURTHER THAN THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA GO ALL ELECTRIC ON THEIR VANS AND THEIR SEMIS SOMEWHAT IN THE FUTURE. SO THERE AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME NOISE MITIGATION, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZING AS WELL. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, AS FAR AS, UH, I JUST REALLY GOT TWO MINUTES HERE, SO I REALLY WANTED YOU, IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE, THE JOB IMPLICATION THAT THIS PARTICULAR BRINGS, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY LAND USE, BUT IF I COULD SNEAK IT IN THERE REAL QUICK. UH, SURE. SO I, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OF JOBS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE AT LEAST SEVERAL HUNDRED NEW JOBS CREATED. UH, THOSE WOULD INCLUDE SORTATION EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS VAN DRIVERS. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BENEFITS, WHICH I THINK ARE, ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU COMMISSIONER IS, UM, YOU KNOW, FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES RECEIVE FULL BENEFITS. UM, SOMETHING INTERESTING. ALSO, AMAZON HAS A CAREER CHOICE PROGRAM WHERE THEY ASSIST IN FUNDING, UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF A COLLEGE DEGREE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES IN A STEM FIELD. UH, THEY EMPHASIZE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT OPERATIONAL EXPERIENCE IN COMING BACK AND GETTING A COLLEGE DEGREE AND, AND WORKING UP IN THE COMPANY. SO, UM, YES, LOTS OF NEW JOB CREATION, UM, AND I THINK A LOT OF OTHER, UH, POSITIVE, UM, BENEFITS THAT COME WITH IT AS WELL. ALRIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ANY COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS? OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. OH, THERE WAS NO QUESTION. UM, I JUST WANNA THANK THE ASHLEY AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S INPUT. MY GOODNESS, IT REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO HEAR THEIR EMOTIONS ABOUT IT. THIS IS A BIG CHANGE FOR THEM AND, UM, THEY SCRUTINIZED IT, I THINK, IN A GOOD WAY AS WELL. UM, AND IT HELPS WITH THE CONVERSATION TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT CHOICE OF LAND, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE YOU ARE NEAR THE RESIDENCES. THIS IS, UM, NOT NECESSARILY A FULFILLMENT CENTER, BUT IT'S THAT GET OUT PACKAGE CENTER, SO YOU'RE NEAR THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND, UM, TO PUT IT RIGHT WHERE IT IS THAT THE BOTH THE VANS AND THE TRUCKS ARE GOING OUT ON THE ACCESS ROAD AND NOT WHERE THE RESIDENCE IS, IS, IS JUST, UM, A VERY BRILLIANT WAY TO HANDLE IT. UM, I, I WOULD JUST WANNA LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE A CASE IN THIS PARTICULAR PARK. THEY'LL REMEMBER AT THE VERY END OF INNER PARK IN 2 81, AND THAT WAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT DID PASS THROUGH, UH, CITY COUNCIL. SO WE'LL BE HAVING RESIDENTS THERE WHO NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, START WORKING PERHAPS AT THIS FACILITY. SO I THINK THAT'S A NICE MARRIAGE AS WELL. UM, JUST TO KIND OF WRAP THAT UP, UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON ITEM NUMBER, OH GOSH. LOSING TRACK. ARE WE ON NUMBER FOUR? YES. FOUR. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I'M MAKING A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, JONES SECOND. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. MR. GRAU? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMI? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIP. YES. VICE CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES BY A VOTE OF 11 ZERO. [6. 20-6739 (Continued from 11/03/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700216 S (Council District 1)] ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM F B Z D TO F B Z D S. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT. LOCATED AT 7 23 CAMDEN STREET. WE SENT OUT 22 NOTICES AND WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS IS ESTABLISHED ON THE NEIGHBORING BLOCK AND PROVIDES ON ONSITE OFF STREET PARKING AND HAS ACCESS TO ON STREET PARKING. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT [01:50:01] WOULD DETRACT FROM THE VISION EXPRESS THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN AREA REGIONAL CENTER PLAN, AS IT WOULD DISRUPT THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT ALONG CAMDEN STREET AND ERIE AVENUE BY CREATING NEW CURB SETS AND CREATING CONFLICT BETWEEN CARS AND PEOPLE WALKING OR USING A FORM OF MICRO MOBILITY THROUGH BICYCLES OR OTHER DEVICES. THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS, SAN ANTONIO I CENTER IS LOCATED TO THE WEST ACROSS BROOKLYN AVENUE, OCCUPYING THE MAJORITY OF THE BLOCK BETWEEN BROOKLYN AVENUE, DALLAS STREET, CAMDEN STREET, AND MCCULLOUGH AVENUE. THESE FACILITIES ALREADY INCLUDE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PARK OF SURFACE PARKING AT PRESENT STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. MADAM CHAIR, YOU MAY HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. HI, IS THIS FOR 7 23? CAMDEN? OH, HELLO. YES IT IS. OKAY, PERFECT. I'M HERE. SO GO AHEAD ALBERT. I GUESS, UH, YOU CAN EXPLAIN THE PROJECT, UM, AND THEN I'LL JUMP IN AFTERWARDS. SURE. SO THIS IS KEVIN LOVE AND THEN ALBERT CASTILLO. ALBERT CASTILLO IS, UH, THE OWNER AND, UH, THE S A I CARE AND THEN I'M HIS ENGINEER. ALBERT EYE CENTER HAS, UH, TAKEN OVER A LARGE PART OF THE BLOCK, UM, AS DESCRIBED. UH, WE RECENTLY PURCHASED, UH, THE LOT AT SEVEN 15 CAMDEN, AND IT WAS, UH, TO BUILD A NEW AND STATE-OF-THE-ART OPHTHALMIC SURGERY CENTER. UM, WE PRIMARILY TAKE CARE OF SENIORS, UM, IN ORDER TO BETTER SERVICE OUR PATIENTS. THE SURGERY CENTER THAT WE HAD WAS THE FIRST IN TEXAS, BUILT IN 800 MCCULLOUGH, UH, AND IT WAS THE FIRST I A S C CENTER THAT WAS BUILT IN TEXAS. UM, SO IN BUILDING A NEW SURGERY CENTER, WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE STATE-OF-THE-ART CARE FOR PATIENTS. UH, BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING IS WE DID OFFSITE PARKING AT SIX 16 CAMDEN, 6 22 CAMDEN, WHERE WE DO HAVE SOME PARKING SPACE AVAILABLE, BUT WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT HAVING OUR PATIENTS WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALKS, WHICH WERE BROKEN UP, WAS NOT VERY SAFE. ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE HAD MANY OF OUR PATIENTS WHO'VE ALMOST BEEN HIT BY AND WE'VE LOST WHO HAS BEEN HIT BY TRYING TO GET ACROSS THE CAMDEN STREET OVER TO OUR NEW LOCATION. SO WE PURCHASED A PROPERTY AT 7 23. IT IS A, UH, I GUESS YOU SAY MULTI RESIDENT HOUSE THAT'S BEING USED AS AN AIRBNB AND THE HOUSE IS PRETTY DILAPIDATED AND RUN DOWN AND THE, UH, CURRENT OR THE PRIOR OWNERS ARE STILL IN THAT BUILDING UNTIL JANUARY. BUT WE'D LIKE TO KNOCK THAT DOWN AND BE ABLE TO EXPAND OUR PARKING AREA FOR OUR PATIENTS INTO THAT LOT SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO CROSS THE STREET, GET TO THE SURGERY CENTER AT SEVEN 15. KEVIN, DO YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? YEAH, SO, SO BASICALLY THE AREA IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SOME VERY OLD EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR NEW ZONING THAT WE'VE COME IN OR THE CITY'S COME IN AND OVERLAY, UH, IT, IT I GUESS EXPAND EXPECTS AND, UH, UH, WANTS COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT. UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, STAFF. UM, THE LOTS THERE ARE VERY SMALL BECAUSE IT USED TO BE OLD RESIDENTIAL. SO WHEN A LOT COMES AVAILABLE FOR SALE TO DEVELOP THIS COMMERCIAL, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOTS ARE SO SMALL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING, IT'S SUPER HARD TO PARK, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GET ANY PARKING AT ALL ON THESE LOTS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM JUST DRIVING THROUGH DOWNTOWN, UH, AND EVEN THIS AREA. SO IT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE HAVING, OBVIOUSLY IT, YOU KNOW, SEVEN 15, WE JUST RECENTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPED THAT, THAT LOT. UM, IT'S ONLY GOT, I THINK WHAT EIGHT PARKING SPACES, NINE PARKING SPACES, MAYBE? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, SO THAT IN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET SO THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE. SO PATIENTS HAVE A PLACE TO PARK. I MEAN, UH, S A I CENTER, I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE OCCUPYING HOW MANY BUILDINGS DOWN THERE, ALBERT? WE HAVE, UH, SIX ON THE OTHER BLOCK, SEVEN. AND SO, UH, ALL OF OUR PATIENTS ARE GERIATRIC. UH, A LOT OF 'EM ARE VERY UNHEALTHY. THEY'RE USUALLY IN WHEELCHAIRS OR WALKERS. SO IT'S, IT'S RATHER CHALLENGING FOR OUR PATIENTS JUST TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET TO GET TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER BLOCK TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR EYE SURGERY DONE. AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH SURGERY, IT BECOMES RATHER DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET THEM TO A CAR SAFELY SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET THEM HOME SAFELY. UM, BECAUSE THERE JUST ISN'T ANYWHERE TO PARK. WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. WE HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO BACK OUT IN THE CAMDEN BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE [01:55:01] TO, TO GO ONCE THEY PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT. IT'S JUST BECOME A RATHER UNSAFE SITUATION FOR OUR PATIENTS AS WELL AS THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE TRYING TO TRANSPORT THEM TO AND FROM SURGERY. SO THESE TWO LOTS HAVE COME AVAILABLE. UH, ALBERT WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE 'EM, AND SO NOW HE'S, YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO ADD THE BADLY NEEDED PARKING THAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT AREA. THE CITY, UH, CITY STACK STAFF WANTS ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THESE F FACILITIES. UM, THE CITY HAS A MEN AND A MAX. UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THE, THE, I MEAN THE MEN DOES NOT IN IN SOME DIFFERENT USES, IT DOESN'T COME CLOSE TO REALLY MEETING THE MINIMUM NEEDS OF A PARTICULAR BUSINESS OR A PARTICULAR USE. UM, SO AGAIN, WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, I THINK BEFORE THERE WAS ANY FEEDBACK, UH, I THINK WE WERE RECEIVED A NEGATIVE OR A, UH, A DENIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT IS WITH THE, AND YOU KNOW, TELL ME SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT I JUST SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS AREA BEING REDEVELOPED, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL WANT AND, AND, AND THESE FOLKS NEED SOMEWHERE TO PARK. SO YOU KNOW, IT, YOU CAN BUY ONE LOT AND BARE BARELY FIT A BUILDING AND A FEW PARKING SPACES ON IT. AND LIKE ALBERT HAS DONE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER LOT HAS COME ALONG. HE'S BEEN ABLE TO PICK THAT UP. AND SO HERE WE ARE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING. IT'S A STAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A STANDALONE PRIVATE PARKING LOT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR ZONING CODE'S WRITTEN. SO HERE WE ARE. Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF US? WE, WE MAY, IF YOU'LL, UH, STAND BY JUST FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE. SURE. UM, THANK YOU. UH, STEPH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, MA'AM. THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR STAFF. UM, FOR STAFF. UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT, I KNOW THIS IS OUR SECOND, UH, FORM-BASED ZONING DISTRICT CASE, UM, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. IT SEEMS LIKE WE GO A LONG TIME WITHOUT GETTING THESE, BUT COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THE POSSIBLE USES, UH, WOULD BE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL? SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE BASE. UM, SO THE, THE USE IS NOT AN ISSUE, BUT THE REASON WHY AN SS IS REQUIRED IS THAT PARKING LOTS, THE STANDALONE PARKING LOTS AND FORM BASED ZONE DISTRICTS REQUIRE AN SSS THE USE IS ALLOWED. IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, UH, TO LOOK AT IT, SEE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA, AND THEN RECOMMEND ANY, UM, ADDITIONAL BUFFERING OR SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. SO, UH, THE, THE USES THAT THE, THE BASE IS REMAINING THE SAME, IT'S JUST THE ADDITION OF THE S FOR THE PARKING LOT AND FORM-BASED ZONE DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR A MIX OF USES FROM RESIDENTIAL TO NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. OKAY. THAT, YEAH, THANKS FOR THAT EXPLANATION. UM, SO WHEN STAFF MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL, UM, DID YOU LOOK AT THE AVAILABILITY OF, OF PARKING AND SO I GUESS AVAILABILITY OF OTHER PARKING AND ALSO WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE PARKING THAT THEY'RE PUTTING ON THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY NEXT DOOR IS ADEQUATE FOR THAT USE? YES, IT WAS CERTAINLY A CONSIDERATION. EVERY TIME WE GO OUT, UH, TO A SITE, WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION NOT ONLY THE SITE ITSELF, BUT THE SURROUNDING USES AND AVAILABILITY OF, OF DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S JUST LIKE LOOKING AT, UH, EVEN, YOU KNOW, BAIL BONDS OR, OR LOAN PLACES WHEN WE GO DO THAT KIND OF THING. UH, WE ALSO TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION OUR PARTNER DE UH, DEPARTMENT PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALSO HAD A VERY STRONG RESPONSE TO THE REZONING AS WELL. AND SO WELL, UH, WE ARE IN A ALIGNMENT WITH THEM AS WELL. OKAY. AND WHAT ARE THE SURROUNDING USES? SO LIKE THEY'RE ALONG ERIE, UM, AND THEN MAYBE GOING UP ONTO QUINCY. ARE THOSE, UM, RESIDENCES, ARE THOSE COMMERCIAL, UM, HOW ARE THOSE BEING USED? SO THERE'S A, THERE'S ONE HOUSE THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS PROPERTY [02:00:01] THAT IS A RENTAL PROPERTY. AND THEN AFTER THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE ON THAT BLOCK IS COMMERCIAL, UM, COMMERCIAL USE, UM, HEALTHCARE PRIMARILY, UM, SUNSHINE UNIFORMS IS ON THE CORNER OF, UH, CAMDEN AND BROOKLYN, WHICH IS A UNIFORM STORE, UH, WHERE WE ALL GET OUR UNIFORMS FOR EMPLOYEES. UM, SO THERE'S ONLY ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LEFT ON THIS BLOCK, WHICH IS BEHIND US STAFF. COULD YOU STAFF, COULD YOU, UM, ANSWER THAT QUESTION? I WAS ACTUALLY DIRECTED AT Y'ALL AS FAR AS A LONG ERIE STREET. YES, MA'AM. THERE'S ACTUALLY A GAS STATION OUT IN THAT AREA AND A NUMBER OF OTHER COMMERCIAL UNITS, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER PARKING LOTS OUT THERE ALREADY AS WELL. RIGHT. BUT SPECIFICALLY ALONG ERIE, WHICH IS THE CROSS STREET WITH CAMDEN THERE AT THE CORNER, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND, AND BASED ON MY MEMORY FROM DRIVING THAT AREA, THOSE ARE RESIDENCES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THE ERIE STREET IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, HAS, UH, I GUESS THERE, THERE'S POTENTIAL DEMOLITION CONTEMPLATED WITH THIS. HAS, UM, STAFF, HAS O H P BEEN INVOLVED IN REVIEWING THIS AT ALL? ARE WE AWARE OF ANY HISTOR POSSIBLE HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION DID REVIEW IT, AND THEY DID NOTE THAT, UM, THE ZONING REQUEST INCLUDES AN INTENTION TO DEMOLISH BUILDINGS. AND SO, UH, THEY WILL, TO DATE, THEY HAVE NO APP APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION, SO THAT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM. OKAY. UM, OKAY, SO FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, SO YOU, YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT YOU HA WILL HAVE NINE PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR AND IT, HAVE YOU CONFIRMED WITH STAFF THAT THAT IS ADEQUATE FOR YOUR USE FOR THAT PROPERTY? THAT WAS THE APPROVED MINIMUM WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT? IT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT. IT'S AN AMBULATORY SURGERY CENTER. OKAY. UM, SO, SO IT MET THE, IT MET THE MINIMUM, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T MEET THE, MEET THE NEEDS OF THE FACILITY. OKAY. AND IS IT OPERATIONAL RIGHT NOW? YES, MA'AM. IT IS. OKAY. UM, SO YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE OTHER PARKING THAT IS LOCATED ON CAMDEN STREET AT, WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? SIX 600 SOMETHING. IT'S 22 CAM 6 22. IT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF CAMDEN AND BROOKLYN. UM, BUT MOST OF THE TIME THOSE LOTS GET FULL. SO ON THAT BLOCK WE HAVE FIVE CLINICS THERE. AND THOSE CLINICS ARE GENERATING, OR YOU ARE SEEING ABOUT A HUNDRED PATIENTS PER BUILDING PER DAY. OFTENTIMES THERE'S NOT PARKING EVEN AVAILABLE IN THOSE LOTS, BUT WE HAVE ALLOWED, AND, AND WE DID, UM, WHEN WE APPLIED, UM, WE HAD OFFSITE PARKING AND WE WERE USING 6 22 CAMDEN. THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH USING 6 22 CAMDEN ISN'T NECESSARILY A PROBLEM FOR US, BUT MORE OF A SAFETY CONCERN FOR THE PATIENTS. AND WE'VE HAD PATIENTS ALMOST STRUCK BY VEHICLES. WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE LOST ONE PATIENT WHO WAS HIT BY A VEHICLE TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET. UM, SO THE CONCERN FOR OUR PATIENT'S SAFETY HAS LED US TO PURCHASE AN ADDITIONAL PARCEL OF LAND TO PUT PARKING IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY SO THEY'RE NOT CROSSING THE STREET IN THE WHEELCHAIRS AND WALKER. OKAY. UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF, UH, ANY, SO, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR OTHER FACILITY IT'S, IS ALSO IS ALSO GENERATING PARKING FOR THE 6 22 CAMDEN. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER OFFSITE PARKING IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO YOU FOR THOSE FOLKS? BECAUSE YOU HAVE A, YOU DO HAVE A, A, A CROSSWALK HERE AT BROOKLYN AND CAMDEN, SO FOLKS WOULD BE ABLE TO SAFELY CROSS THE STREET AND WALK JUST HALF A BLOCK, NOT EVEN HALF A BLOCK TO YOUR CENTER. UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE YOUR OTHER, THE OVERFLOW FROM YOUR OTHER FACILITY DOWN THE STREET IS CAUSING SOME OF THAT. SO ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER PARKING THAT YOU COULD SECURE THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO YOUR EXISTING SAN ANTONIO EYE CENTER? SO WE ARE, ARE TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL PARKING, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR PATIENTS. SO WE DON'T, UM, THE PARKING LOTS ARE BEING FILLED BY PATIENTS AT THE, THE FIVE LOCATIONS. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE PARKING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. OUR EMPLOYEES, WE WERE RENTING OFFSITE PARKING. WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THOSE PARKING LOTS ARE GOING TO BE SOLD AND NO LONGER GOING TO BE. SO I HAVE 75 EMPLOYEES THAT DON'T HAVE PARKING EITHER. SO YOU'LL SEE ALL ALONG, UH, BROOKLYN STREET ALL ALONG BY, UH, DALLAS STREET. WE'RE [02:05:01] PARKING ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING IN THE AREA. IT'S NOT JUST OUR EMPLOYEES, BUT IT'S ALSO THE LIVER INSTITUTE, WHICH WAS RECENTLY BUILT AND DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PARKING FOR, FOR THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES AND PATIENTS AS WELL. UM, SO WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH PARKING DOWNTOWN. SO WHENEVER WE CAN TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSE FOR OUR PATIENTS AND, AND GOOD FOR OUR FIRM TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED REDEVELOPING DOWN HERE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, SO MANY THE OTHER THINGS HAPPENED, UH, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA SECURE NOT ONLY OUR BUSINESS' FUTURE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE SAFETY OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR PATIENTS. RIGHT. BUT I'M JUST ASKING IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PARKING LOTS, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, POTENTIALS FOR, YOU KNOW, SHARED PARKING IN PARKING GARAGES AT NEW DEVELOPMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED INTO TO, WE WEREN'T LEASING, LEASING WHAT WAS AVAILABLE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, AND THAT HAS RECENTLY BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM US AS WELL. SO THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ADDITIONAL BE BEYOND. OKAY. AND THEN THE FINAL, THE FINAL QUESTION THAT I HAVE, SORRY, I DON'T, I HAVE LIMITED TIME, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE BY BY CUTTING YOU SHORT, BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITED IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS. UM, AND THE CURRENT USE OF THAT PROPERTY, YOU SAID IS BECAUSE IT, IT APPEARS TO BE LIKE A SEVEN OR EIGHT UNIT PROPERTY, UM, FROM, FROM WHAT LITTLE I CAN TELL. SO IS THAT FULLY BEING USED AS AN AIRBNB AND IS THAT AIRBNB? UM, HAS IT BEEN LICENSED BY THE CITY? IT'S NOT BEEN LICENSED. IT WAS USED BY AN AIRBNB. THE, THE OWNER'S SON ACTUALLY TURNED IT INTO AN AIRBNB AND NOW IT'S ACTUALLY BECOME MORE OF A PROBLEM FOR US BECAUSE IT'S BECOME A DRUG HOUSE. OKAY. BUT ALL, ALL THE UNITS ARE BEING USED AS AIRBNB, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LONG-TERM RESIDENCE IN THOSE? CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE THE, THE AIRBNB SITE DOESN'T, DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE ALL OF THE UNITS LISTED ON IT, AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THAT PROPERTY. UM, OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UH, GREATHOUSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. OKAY. UM, SO I, UH, I'VE STRUGGLED WITH THIS CASE A LITTLE BIT. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE NEED FOR PARKING FOR, FOR BUSINESSES AND, AND UNDERSTAND THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS, IS IMPORTANT, BUT, UM, I TEND TO AGREE WITH STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION HERE. UM, MAINLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE, UH, RIVER NORTH PLAN IS SO OVERWHELMINGLY, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING SURFACE PARKING AND OTHER VACANT LOTS AND TURNING THOSE LOTS AND SUPPORTING DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE LOTS THAT IT WOULD BE FUNCTIONS OR USES THAT WOULD TRULY CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REACTIVATE THIS AREA. MUCH LIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT WE HAD IN THE RIVER NORTH, THE FORM-BASED ZONING DISTRICT. UM, THAT, THAT WE ENDED UP, UH, APPROVING THE, THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THERE. IF YOU READ THROUGH THE RIVER NORTH PLAN, WHICH I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UM, NOT ONLY FOR THIS CASE, BUT FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT I'VE WORKED ON IN THE AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SUCH A FOCUS ON, UM, INCREASING ON STREET PARKING, UM, REDUCING SURFACE PARKING LOTS, MAINTAINING AND PRESERVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH WHILE THIS HOUSE IS NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED ACCORDING TO THE OWNER AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IS INSTEAD AN ILLEGAL AIRBNB, UM, I, I STRUGGLE WITH SUPPORTING, REMOVING MORE POTENTIALLY BETTER UTILIZED STRUCTURES. SO DEMOLISHING SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HOUSING OR COULD BE, UM, SOME OTHER TYPE OF, OF USE THAT ISN'T JUST PARKING. AND, UM, I'LL QUOTE JUST A ONE SENTENCE OR A COUPLE OF SENTENCES FROM THE RIVER NORTH PLAN THAT I THINK, UM, ARE REALLY INSTRUCTIVE. UM, AND IT SAYS A DAILY MASS INFLUX AND EXODUS OF THOSE WHO MAKE THE DOWNTOWN ECONOMY FUNCTION IS NOT DESIRABLE OR SUSTAINABLE FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS ENVIRONMENT OR OUR ECONOMY, NOR IS IT SUSTAINABLE FOR QUALITY OF LIFE. THUS, A CORE OBJECTIVE OF THE RIVER NORTH MASTER PLAN IS THE PROVISION OF A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HOUSING FOR THE DIVERSE WORKFORCE OF DOWNTOWN. SO NOT ONLY DOES THIS DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY CONFLICT WITH THE GOALS OF THE RIVER NORTH PLAN IN TAKING THE SURFACE PARKING USE [02:10:01] KIND OF OUT OF, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PARKING LOTS IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL HERE. SO NOT ONLY DOES IT DIRECTLY CONFLICT WITH THAT, IT ALSO IS REMOVING POTENTIAL HOUSING AND OPPORTUNITIES TO DEVELOP HOUSING, WHICH DISPLACE MORE RESIDENTS WHO COULD POTENTIALLY WORK IN THAT AREA. AND IT CREATES MORE NEED FOR TRANSPORTATION AND MORE NEED FOR PARKING. SO IT'S JUST, IT IS A, IT IS A VICIOUS CIRCLE AND A VICIOUS CYCLE OF TAKING AWAY HOUSING AND TAKING AWAY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND CREATING MORE NEED FOR CARS AND PARKING LOTS. AND SO, UM, FOR THAT REASON, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. AND I'M MAKING A MOTION TO DENY ITEM NUMBER. I ALWAYS FORGET WHICH NUMBER I'M ON. ITEM NUMBER SIX, SECOND MCDANIEL. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, SECOND BY, UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF THINK THAT THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS ONE OF THESE, UM, MEDICAL AREAS. UM, SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO FIT A NEED HERE OF THE ELDERLY AND ASSIST THEM IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE TO GET THE HEALTHCARE THAT THEY NEED, UM, WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE SAFEST WAY POSSIBLE. I THINK THAT THE APPLICANTS MADE A GOOD CASE FOR WHY, UM, HE NEEDS THAT PARKING. UM, TO ASK THOSE WHO ARE ELDERLY AND SICK TO, TO WALK A DISTANCE, UM, I DON'T THINK IS WORTH SAYING WE NEED TO SAVE HOUSING WHEN THE HOUSING THAT IS THERE IS UNFIT. UM, SO I, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE, THE EMOTION FOR A DENIAL. I THINK THE HEALTH AND THE CARE OF THE INDIVIDUALS DOWNTOWN IN THIS AREA THAT NEED, UM, THE HEALTHCARE IMMEDIATELY AT THEIR DOORSTEP IN SOME CASES, UM, OUTWEIGHS THAT COST OF A FEW RESIDENCES LIVING ON, IN THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE. SO, I, I WON'T SUPPORT THE WISH FOR DENIAL. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KAMATH. YOU KNOW, I KIND OF, UH, HAVE A SIMILAR OPINION AS THE, UH, COMMISSIONER. S I I KNOW THAT THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY, IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE, UH, DOWNTOWN BAPTIST, UH, IT'S WITHIN A MILE OR SO. THERE ARE SO MANY SMALL CLINICS, UM, SUCH AS THE LIVER INSTITUTE AND THIS, UH, . THERE, THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF, UH, PARKING FOR THE PATIENTS, UH, WHO GO TO THIS INDIVIDUAL CLINICS. UH, EVEN THE LIVER LIVER INSTITUTE OFFERS, UH, VALET PARKING. IT IS, PARKING IS SO BAD OVER, UH, I THINK THIS, UH, THIS GROUP IS, UH, DOING A BIG FAVOR TO THE PATIENTS TO OFFER PARKING. SO, THAT'S MY, UM, TAKE ON THIS. I I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE DENIAL ON THOSE FACTS THAT I, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER ROMERO. UM, THANK YOU. UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REALLY COMPELLING STORY AND I, I WANT TO SUPPORT THIS CHANGE. UM, I NEVER HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE. UM, HOW HARD IT IS TO GET OUT OF THE EYE DOCTOR WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING DONE. 'CAUSE I HAVE TO GO A LOT AND GET MY EYES DILATED, AND NOBODY THINKS ABOUT THAT, HOW HARD IT IS FOR SOMEBODY TO GET YOU BACK TO YOUR CAR. SO I'M REALLY SYMPATHETIC ABOUT THAT. AND I WOULD'VE GONE WITH WHATEVER WAY THE COMMISSIONER WENT WITH ON THAT, HONESTLY. BUT I THINK HER COMMISSIONER, GREAT HOUSE'S EXPLANATION WAS REALLY COMPELLING TO ME. UM, AND I BELIEVE IN THAT, UH, WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT, IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE, BUT ALLOWING MORE PARKING IS ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PLAN, THEN WE HAVE TO STICK TO IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW PLANS FALL APART. CASE BY CASE, BY CASE WITH A, WITH A COMPELLING ARGUMENT. THERE'S ALWAYS A COMPELLING ARGUMENT, AND I SEE IT. UM, BUT, BUT I THINK, UM, THE COMMISSIONER HAD, I THINK, REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND REALLY MADE SOME GOOD POINTS. AND SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION. COMMISSIONER ROMERO. COMMISSIONER JONES? UH, YES. UH, I'M A LITTLE BIT, [02:15:01] UH, CONCERNED ABOUT THIS TOO. THERE IS A CONTINUOUS PARKING PROBLEM DOWNTOWN, AND IT JUST SEEMS TO BE CHANGING TO SMALL CLINICS AND OUTPATIENT SURGERY. SO I WON'T BE SUBMIT, I WON'T BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE DENIAL. I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PARKING LOT THERE. AND, AND WE NEED MORE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JONES. AND I, UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES. SOME REASON WE'RE NOT HEARING YOU. I, I SEE YOU'RE UNMUTED, I THINK, BUT I DON'T, CAN'T HEAR YOU. YES, HE'S UNMUTED. COMMISSIONER S UH, WHILE YOU TROUBLE SHOOT, UH, COMMISSIONER SITES, I'M GONNA GO TO COMMISSIONER MCDANIELS AND COME BACK TO YOU. COMMISSIONER RICK DANIEL. THANK YOU. UM, MY COLLEAGUE, UM, HAS STATED MOST OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY WITH REGARD TO THE PLAN. I THINK I JUST WANTED TO SUMMARIZE A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS WHILE WE'RE ALL SYMPATHETIC AND, AND WE'VE ALL HAD TO GO AND HAVE OUR EYES DILATED. I THINK WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS AREA IS THESE WERE SMALL BUSINESSES WHEN THEY STARTED OUT, AND GRATEFULLY, SO THEY'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND THEY'VE GROWN. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, AS, AS THEY'VE GROUND, THERE'S BEEN NO PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO ADEQUATELY PARK, WHICH, WHICH WE ACKNOWLEDGE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT JUST ADDING MORE SURFACE SLOT PARKING IS REALLY GOING TO NEGATE THE DANGER THAT IT WILL TAKE TO COMMUTE BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE STREET, BUSY INTERSECTION TO GET TO THE VARIOUS BUSINESS OFFICES. I THINK WHAT WE START TO HAVE TO DO NOW IS ASK THE HARD QUESTION OF HOW WE HAVE, WE, HAS OUR BUSINESS OUTGROWN THIS AREA, OR IF NOT, WE HAVE TO MAYBE, UH, HANDLE THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. AND WE'RE ALL LEARNING TO DO SO NOW WITH THE COVID THING ANYWAY. BUT, UM, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE REQUEST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT MY MOTHER OR SOMEONE HAVING TO CROSS THE BUSY STREETS AND GO BASICALLY A BLOCK, A HALF A BLOCK DOWN TO GET TO THESE, THIS FACILITY. SO I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING AS I DID WITH MY, UM, MOTION FOR SECOND. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER SIPES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY AGAIN? OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. MY HEADPHONES DIED. I HAD TO SWITCH. UM, NOW I, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. AND AS, UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, UH, STATED, UM, IT, IT, IT, IT CAME DOWN TO, UH, COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S, UM, EXPLANATION AND HER, HER RATIONALE. UM, AS, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED DOWNTOWN FOREVER, EVER. UM, SO IN, IN FACT, CLOSE TO THIS AREA. SO I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE AREAS CHANGE. I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, A PARKING LOT ON AUGUSTA, GO TO RESIDENTIAL. I'VE SEEN, UM, WHAT WE, WE ACTUALLY, UH, REZONED WHAT WAS, UH, SOME HISTORIC HOMES SO THAT THEY COULD BE MOVED SO THAT OTHER APARTMENTS COULD BE BUILT ON, UH, AUGUSTA MCCULLOUGH AREA. SO THE, THE TREND IS FOR RESIDENTIAL TO COME AND, AND, UM, HAVE INFILL OPPORTUNITY. UM, AND SO WHILE, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE NEED, UM, I, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO, TO, UH, ACCOMPLISH, UM, ACCOMPLISH THE PARKING GOAL. AND THAT WAS IT. COMMISSIONER SIPES, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH THIS, UH, COMM COMMISSIONER? WE THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, YEAH, THIS IS AN INTERESTING, UH, UH, CASE TO, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO CONSIDER. YOU KNOW, UM, EVERYONE HAS ALREADY SAID THAT. YES, WE ARE VERY LIMITED WITH, UH, PARKING IN THE AREA. AND, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSIONER, UH, GREAT HOUSE IS, UM, COMPELLING, UH, ARGUMENT, UH, FOR THE DENIAL, BUT ALSO SEE THAT UNTIL WE GET TRUE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION IN THE AREA, WE ARE FORCING, UH, THESE PATIENTS, ELDERLY PATIENTS, TO NAVIGATE THROUGH SOME VERY DIFFICULT, UM, WALKING SITUATIONS. I MEAN, I'VE WALKED THROUGH THAT AREA MYSELF, AND IF I HAVE MY EYES DILATED, I'M NOT SURE I CAN NAVIGATE THROUGH THERE. SO, AGAIN, I TRULY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S, UH, EXPLANATION, BUT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE DENIAL. UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, [02:20:04] I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, TO MAKE ONE MORE POINT. UM, SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER KAMATH SAID, UM, ACTUALLY KIND OF WAS SOMETHING I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT. AND THAT'S THE FACT THAT OTHER, UH, OFFICES IN THAT AREA DO OFFER VALET PARKING. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS, UH, THIS CLINIC COULD POTENTIALLY THINK ABOUT OFFERING, UM, AS WELL TO HELP WITH THEIR PATIENTS. UM, AND, AND ALSO, I, I'M NOT EVEN REALLY SURE, DRIVING, AFTER HAVING YOUR EYES DILATED OR HAVING EYE SURGERY IS, IS TYPICALLY RECOMMENDED. THAT'S, I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT A DOCTOR, BUT I JUST WANNA STATE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND NOT REQUIRE US TAKING AWAY HOUSING AND POTENTIALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE WANTING TO LIVE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN WHO WORK IN DOWNTOWN. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. UH, PERMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK . I'M SORRY, THE, THE, UH, THE, UH, HEARING IS CLOSED. NOW WE'RE ON TO THE ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. STAFF? STAFF. ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. DR. JONES? NO. COMMISSIONER KAMAN? NO. COMMISSIONER? WE NO. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIFE? YES. VICE CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. SIX TO FIVE. FIVE. [7. 20-6740 (Continued from 11/03/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700217 S (Council District 1)] ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE BECAUSE IT'S ALSO THE SAME APPLICANT. SO IF THEY COULD HOLD THE LINE WHILE WE READ IT INTO THE RECORD. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN'S A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM F B Z D TO F B Z D S. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT. LOCATED AT FOUR 15 DALLAS STREET. THERE WERE 25 NOTICES MAILED FOR IN SUPPORT TO AN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM DOWNTOWN RESIDENCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE PROPOSED SURFACE PARKING LOT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE VISION EXPRESS THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN AREA REGIONAL CENTER PLAN, AS IT WOULD DISRUPT THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT ALONG DALLAS STREET BY CREATING A NEW CURB CUT AND CREATING CONFLICT BETWEEN CARS AND PEOPLE WALKING, OR USING A FORM OF MICRO MOBILITY SUCH AS BICYCLES AND OTHER DEVICES. THERE ARE ALREADY AMPLE PARKING LOTS IN THE AREA. AND ANOTHER COMMERCIAL, NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT IS NOT APPROPRIATE ALONGSIDE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SWELLING. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. MADAM CHAIR, MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, PLEASE? KEVIN? LOVE, GO AHEAD. UH, THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS KEVIN LOVE. SO, SO I, I GUESS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, I, IF WE WOULD NOT BE HERE, IF WE WERE, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE LOT ADJACENT TO FOUR 15, UH, SAY ANOTHER LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL. ON, ON OUR OTHER SIDE OF THE FOUR 15 DALLAS, IF WE CAME IN THERE WITH A BUILDING, WE COULD COME IN THERE AND WE COULD PUT A PARKING LOT ON FOUR 15 DALLAS, AND WE COULD PUT A BUILDING IN SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING. SO BASICALLY THE, IF WE WOULD COME IN WITH A BUILDING, THERE WOULD BE NO DISCUSSION HERE. WE WOULDN'T BE HERE, WE WOULDN'T NEED THE SSS, BUT BECAUSE IT IS STANDALONE, IT'S PRIVATE, IT'S BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S STANDALONE. IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE. IT'S OUR, OUR PARKING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE IN ONE SITUATION, BUT IN ANOTHER, IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN IS A PROBLEM. THIS CLIENT OF MINE HAD A LADY GET HIT [02:25:01] AND KILLED, AND HE IS NOT WANTING TO JUST SPEND MONEY BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THIS OTHER PARKING DOWNTOWN. HE'S GOT BUSINESSES THAT HE'S, HE'S JUST SAID HE IS LOST PARKING. AND IF YOU WANNA VALET HIM, WHERE DO YOU VALET HIM TO? HOW FAR AWAY DO YOU TAKE THEM? IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROBLEM. AND, AND YOU'VE GOT THESE, THESE, THESE CLINICS DOWN THERE THAT NEED YOUR HELP. BUT THE OTHER THING THAT'S BECOME A PROBLEM IS THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITH 250 UNITS WITH ALLOWED PARKING A QUARTER PARKING SPACES FOR EVERY UNIT. NOW, YOU TELL ME HOW MANY OF THOSE UNITS ARE GONNA HAVE ONE AND A QUARTER CARS. THERE'S GONNA BE MORE CARS IN TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN DUE TO THIS, DUE TO C P SS BRINGING 3000 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GONNA BE DRIVING DOWN MCCULLOUGH STREET TO GET OVER THERE. YET I'M SUPPOSED TO VALET MY PATIENTS ALL OVER THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO GET 'EM SAFELY TO A CLINIC. WHEN, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR MORE PARKING. WE BOUGHT MORE PARKING BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS APPROVED, AND IT'S NOT PUT US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR BUSINESS. SO THIS PARKING LOT THAT WE'RE ASKING TO BE, HAVE BUILT IS ACTUALLY BECAUSE WE'VE LOST THE PARKING LOT THAT WAS DOWN ON THE CORNER OF THE AUGUSTA AND MCCULLOUGH. THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED BECAUSE IT'S BEING SOLD. YOU COULD FIND IT ON LOOPNET. AND SO NOW WE NEED PARKING FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY EMPLOYEES WERE PARKING AT, AND THEY WERE WALKING UP THE STREET TO THE CLINICS. SO NOT ONLY DO I NOT HAVE PARKING FOR MY PATIENTS, WHICH HAS, HAS BECOME A PROBLEM, I DON'T HAVE PARKING FOR 75 EMPLOYEES AT WORK AND LIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND COMMUNITY AS WELL. UM, SO THIS PARKING LOT, WE'RE REQUESTING TO USE IT AS A PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW. IT'S A GRASS LOT. IT'S EMPTY. IT WAS OVERRUN WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING INSIDE BAMBOO AND UNDER PALM TREES THAT WERE DEAD. SO WE'VE CLEANED IT UP AND WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IT TO SOME GOOD USE. IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE GOOD USE OF IT AND PROTECT OUR BUSINESS. AMBER, WILL YOU GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE, THE HOUSE, FOR INSTANCE, ON 7 23? CAMDEN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT FOUR 15 DALLAS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE, UH, YOU KNOW, LOW INCOME HOUSING, CAN YOU GO INTO MORE DETAIL AND EXPLAIN THE CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE AND ALSO THE, THE, THE, THE WAY WITH WHICH IT'S BEEN BEING USED? RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE YOU, MADAM CHAIR, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PREVIOUS ITEM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GERMANE TO THE ISSUE AT HAND. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT AND WOULD ASK FOR A RULING FROM YOU ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THEY SPEND THEIR TIME OR OUR TIME ON THAT ISSUE. YES, YES. POINT OF ORDER. I DO THINK IT'S GERMANE, IT'S OBVIOUS WITH THE SAME CLIENT, BUT THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN DETERMINED. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, VOTED. I'M TALKING, I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'M SORRY, I'M TALKING ABOUT AN ITEM, AN ISSUE, WHICH IS BROUGHT UP AS TO WHY THE COUNCIL PERSON, I'M SORRY, THE ZONING COMMISSIONER DOES, YOU KNOW, D DOES, DOES NOT WANNA APPROVE IT. IT IS COMPLETELY RELEVANT BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, HER POINT WAS, I'M, I'M SORRY, TO THE APPLICANT AND POINT OF ORDER AND, AND TO STAFF AS WELL. I THINK I MADE A POINT OF ORDER, OR I SHOULD HAVE MADE A POINT OF ORDER TO THE CHAIR. AND IT'S A QUESTION OF DISCRETION FOR THE CHAIR. WELL, IF WE CAN GET, I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER TOO. IT, I, I PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S RELEVANT AND IF THIS APPLICANT WANTS TO USE PART OF THEIR 10 MINUTES WITH THIS SORT OF ARGUMENT ON THIS ITEM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CAN'T DO THAT. IT'S THEIR 10 MINUTES TO MAKE THE CASE THAT THEY WANNA MAKE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, AND IF I NEED AN INTERJECTION BY LEGAL, PLEASE, UH, DO SO, SO, UM, YES TO, TO THE APPLICANT. SO YOU HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR CASE ON THE SEVEN 15, KNOWING THAT THIS OTHER CASE HAS ALREADY, UH, BEEN, UH, VOTED UPON. SO, UM, IF, UM, IT HAS RELEVANCE TO SEVEN 15, UM, THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING, UM, PLEASE PROCEED. IF IT'S JUST STILL TRYING TO DEBATE THE LAST CASE, THEN, UM, I THINK THAT YOU ARE, UH, WASTING YOUR TIME. AND I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU, UH, FOCUS ON THE DALLAS, UH, PROPERTY. YES. YES, MA'AM. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS THAT NOW WITH THE DENIAL OF THE OTHER PARKING LOT, THIS PUTS THE BUSINESS AND OUR PATIENTS FURTHER AT RISK IN HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, NOW IF WE HAVE TO USE IT AS PARKING LOT [02:30:01] FOR PATIENTS, NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE WALKING OVER A HALF A BLOCK, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY FURTHER. BUT THIS FURTHER PUTS OUR BUSINESS IN A PARKING SITUATION, UM, AS WELL AS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET OF THE APARTMENTS WITH INSUFFICIENT PARKING FOR 240 UNITS, THAT'S GONNA PUT MORE CARS ON THE STREET PARKING AS WELL. SO IT, WE'RE IN THE SAME SCENARIO, UM, WHETHER IT BE FOR OUR PATIENTS OR FOR OUR STAFF, THERE IS INADEQUATE PARKING FOR THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWN HERE, AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW HEALTHCARE BUSINESSES IN, IN THIS AREA. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT WE WERE NOT GRANTED PERMISSION TO CONVERT THE OTHER LOT INTO A PARKING LOT, THIS FURTHER PUTS US IN A SITUATION OF AN EFFECT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, NOT ONLY FOR OUR PATIENTS, BUT ALSO FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AROUND US. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. UM, UM, SIRS, UM, IF YOU'LL STAND BY FOR, UH, QUESTIONS. PLEASE, UH, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS CASE? NO, THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS CASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. GRAY HOUSE. QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS, UM, CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTED AT AUGUSTA AND MCCULLOUGH, CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME, UM, JUST BRIEFLY, IF YOU, I KNOW THAT THAT REZONING HAPPENED FAIRLY RECENTLY, UM, NOT, NOT SINCE I'VE BEEN COMMISSIONER, BUT MAYBE RIGHT BEFORE, UM, NUMBER OF UNITS, NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, THE POINT OF BOARD. MADAM CHAIR, MADAM CHAIR, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHATEVER CASE SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S RELEVANT TO THE CASE HERE AS WELL. THE APPLICANT BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THERE IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING UP ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT THERE IS INADEQUATE PARKING. I AM MERELY ASKING STAFF USING MY TIME RIGHT NOW, ASKING QUESTIONS TO ASK STAFF TO VERIFY THAT. RIGHT. THE APPLICANT DID BRING THAT UP. OKAY. UH, SO THIS IS STAFF. UM, SO I, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIAGONALLY TO THE EAST, UH, THERE WASN'T A REZONING CASE ON THIS. SO, UH, BECAUSE A APARTMENTS ARE ALLOWED BY RIPE, UM, IN F B C D T 51, UH, THE NUMBER, IT, IT ALLOWS SO MANY UNITS, IT HAS TO MEET MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR F B Z D. BUT THEY ARE RELAXED PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THIS, IN THIS DISTRICT. THEY'RE NOT YOUR TYPICAL 1.54, UH, PER DWELLING UNIT FOR APARTMENTS. SO I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA WITH ME, BUT IF THEY GOT A PERMIT, THEN THEY MET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT PROJECT. OKAY. OKAY. UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED MAKING COMMUNITY PARKING ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE DEVELOPER OF THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX? FOR EXAMPLE, THE FACT THAT FOLKS LIVING IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX MAY NOT BE THERE DURING THE DAY AND MAY HAVE, UM, MAY HAVE LEFT, AND THAT THERE COULD BE A POTENTIAL SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BUSINESSES AND THE AREA AND THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING GARAGE THAT'S THERE. HAS THAT, HAS ANY ATTEMPT TO SECURE THAT PARKING BEEN ATTEMPTED? I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE DEVELOPER ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS TO TRY TO WORK OUT SOME SORT OF ARRANGEMENT AS WE'VE WORKED WITH PEOPLE AROUND US. FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE NOT OPEN IN THE EVENINGS. WE'VE SHARED OUR, OUR PARKING LOTS WITH CENTRAL CATHOLIC. WE SHARE OUR PARKING LOTS WHENEVER THERE'S FIESTA PARADES DOWN. SO WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO TRUST TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME SORT OF ARRANGEMENT. IT'S BEEN UNACCESSIBLE IN TRYING TO REACH THE DEVELOPER WHO'S OUT OF DALLAS. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT WE, WE TRY TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO EVERYBODY AROUND US AS WELL. AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT IF THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY, THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EXPLORE. UM, HOPEFULLY WE AREN'T ALL WORKING FROM HOME FOR A LONG TIME AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET OUT AND GET TO OFFICES AND THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY, MAY FREE UP SOME PARKING. OKAY. AND HOW MANY, UM, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DOES YOUR CURRENT BUSINESS HAVE? UH, MY CURRENT BUSINESS HAS ABOUT 75 TO 85 PARKING SPACES. THEY DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, 500 PATIENTS OUT OF THESE CLINICS A DAY WITH 75 EMPLOYEES. SO I CAN PARK ALL OF MY EMPLOYEES HERE AND MAKE MY PATIENTS FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PARK. OR I CAN MAKE MY EMPLOYEES PARK IN THE STREET AND FIGURE OUT WHERE MY PATIENTS ARE GONNA PARK. OKAY. I'D, I'D RATHER LET MY EMPLOYEE TRY TO FIND THE PARKING SPOT. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. UM, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO THE APPLICANT, WHAT'S, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE AGE OF YOUR PATIENTS? I'M 78 YEARS OLD. UH, IN, IN MOST CASES, [02:35:03] 78 YEARS OLD. YES. AND, UM, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ELDERLY. UM, AND, UM, DO THEY NORM MOST OF THEM LIVE, YOU SAID THEY LIVE IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, IS THAT CORRECT? YEP. MOST OF OUR PATIENTS COME FROM EITHER JUST SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN OR, YOU KNOW, JUST NORTH OF DOWNTOWN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER KAMATH? IT IS NOT A QUESTION. UM, UH, BUT JUST A, UH, WELL, THIS IS THE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? WE'RE WE ARE AT THE QUESTION PORTION OF OUR, UH, THIS PART OF THE HEARING, SO, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION THEN, SIR. UH, OKAY. SO LEMME ASK THE APPLICANT, UH, THE, HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED, UH, UM, UH, PROVIDING VALET SERVICE FOR YOUR PATIENTS? OR IS IT, IF IT IS, UH, IS IT FINANCIALLY POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO DO IT? SO IT, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE IN THE SENSE THAT MOST OF OUR PATIENTS ARE MEDICARE. AND IF YOU'RE IN HEALTHCARE, FAMILIAR, MEDICARE PROVIDES A LIMITED REIMBURSEMENT. MOST MEDICARE REIMBURSEMENT THAT HAS NOT BEEN ON THE INCREASE, IT'S ACTUALLY DECLINED EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS STRAIGHT. SO IT IS AN ADDITIONAL OVERHEAD ITEM, ONE FOR ME TO PROVIDE VALET. TWO, IT BECOMES A LIABILITY FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE. THREE, I DON'T WANT MY EMPLOYEES BE DEALING WITH THESE PATIENTS IN TERMS OF TRYING TO HELP THEM GET OFF THEIR CAR, GET BACK INTO THEIR CAR, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, SECURED THE, THE PATIENTS THEMSELVES. SO A VALET SERVICE, IN MY EYES AND OPINION IS NOT VERY SAFE FOR THE PATIENTS. YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO VALET THEM? YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA DROP OFF THEIR CAR AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO FIND SOMEWHERE TO PARK IT. UM, BUT WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE GONNA PARK THOSE IF WE, IF WE BARELY HAVE ENOUGH SPACES NOW FOR THE CLINIC, THE PATIENTS THAT ARE COMING TO OUR CLINIC AND ARE EMPLOYED, YOU KNOW, WHERE AM I GONNA PUT ALL THESE VALET CARS? I STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PUT THEM. EVEN IF IT'S VALET, YOU GOTTA PARK THE CAR SOMEWHERE. THANK YOU. YEAH, YOU MADE YOUR POINT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER GREG HOUSE SO MUCH LIKE THE OTHER CASE, UM, I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. UM, AGAIN, BASED ON THE LAND USE PLAN THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS OR THE RIVER NORTH AREA, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, OF PLANNING AND, UM, COLLABORATION BETWEEN NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOLKS, UH, INDUSTRY FOLKS, AND CITY EMPLOYEES. UM, I STILL THINK THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THAT. UM, THE PUBLIC POLICY GOALS BEHIND THAT PLAN ARE IMPORTANT TO DIRECT THE WAY THAT OUR CITY CONTINUES TO GROW AND THAT CONTINUES TO GROW IN A SUSTAINABLE AND ETHICAL MANNER. AND, UM, I AM SYMPATHETIC TO BUSINESSES AND I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT BASED ON THEIR PARTICULAR SITUATION. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE IN THIS CASE THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR THEM. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMERCIAL PARKING LOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE AREA THAT COULD BE USED IN CONNECTION WITH THE VALET SERVICE. AND, UM, THE OVERHEAD OF MAINTAINING AND PAVING, UH, A PARKING LOT AND BUYING THAT LAND MAY WELL HAVE BEEN AS EXPENSIVE AS PROVIDING THAT SERVICE. SO THAT IN, IN, IN CONNECTION WITH COMMISSIONER KATH'S QUESTION EARLIER, THE VALET SERVICE AND, AND THE CONCERNS WITH THAT SEEM LIKE A VERY VIABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR THIS APPLICANT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT SACRIFICING THE, THE PLAN FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND FOR OUR FUTURE AND HOW WE DEVELOP AND HOW WE BECOME A CITY THAT IS DOUBLE THE SIZE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WARRANTS IT IS A COMPELLING CASE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPELLING ENOUGH WHEN I SIT HERE AND I HAVE TO BALANCE THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE VERSUS THE NEEDS OF A, OF ONE BUSINESS THAT IS PROVIDING A A GOOD [02:40:01] TO OUR COMMUNITY. YES. BUT IT IS ONE BUSINESS AND THEY DO HAVE ALTERNATIVES AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO I'M NOT GONNA HARP ON IT. I'M NOT, I'M GONNA GET OFF MY SOAPBOX NOW 'CAUSE WE'VE SPENT ENOUGH TIME ON THESE TWO CASES, BUT I WILL BE, UM, MAKING A, I AM MAKING A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, SECOND MCDANIEL, IF WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UH, POINT OF INFORMATION. OKAY. YES. COMMISSIONER JUNIOR. UH, DOES THIS, IS THIS UP FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT AS WELL, STAFF? NO, MA'AM. THE BASE ZONE IS STAYING THE SAME. THANK YOU. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLAN WHEN IT'S NOT UP FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT WHEN WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE AND ZONING. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH. UM, I, I JUST WANNA, UH, I GUESS START BY SAYING HOW I, I ALWAYS SAY THIS. I THINK COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE DOES SUCH A GREAT JOB ANALYZING THESE THINGS AND LOOKING THROUGH 'EM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, USUALLY I FIND MYSELF IN AGREEMENT, I THINK WITH A LOT OF WHAT SHE SAYS. BUT ON THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION OR, OR COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE JUST TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS VALET VERSUS THE OVERHEAD OF DOING A PARKING LOT AND THE REST OF IT. AND TO ME, THAT REALLY ILLUSTRATES MY POINT IS THAT THIS IS A BUSINESS DECISION. UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, THIS BUSINESS, UM, MAYBE HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ISSUE, UM, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THEIR BUSINESS, AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS THEIR, THIS BUSINESS. AND THEY CLEARLY DON'T SEE THAT VALET IS A VIABLE OPTION FOR THE REASONS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, STATED A FEW MINUTES AGO. AND THEY FIND THAT FOR THEIR BUSINESS, HAVING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY BE A PARKING LOT IS THE BEST THING FOR THEM. AND THEN, SO FOR US TO SECOND GUESS THAT I JUST, I JUST HAVE A, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. UM, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOVERNMENT TELLING A BUSINESS WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN HERE I FIND THAT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY NOT ONLY WILL, UM, HELP THEIR BUSINESS, UM, BUT IT'LL ALSO SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND THAT'LL SERVE, UM, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PATIENTS. AND SO, UM, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, AND SO, SO I, FOR, FOR THOSE REASONS, I DISAGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER GREG HOUSE. ALL RIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER KATH. YEAH, I, I ALSO HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, AND ANALYTICAL, UH, UH, SKILLS IN, UH, LAND USE. BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, ALMOST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS IN THE BUSINESS OF, UH, EYECARE AND EYE SURGERIES. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF MEDICARE, UH, PATIENTS WHO GO THERE FOR CATARACT SURGERIES AND OTHER EYECARE. THE REIMBURSEMENTS ON THOSE ARE SO LOW, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. THEY CAN EVEN OPERATE, UH, SUCCESSFULLY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY IDEAL PART TO DO VALET PARKING, BUT IT, IT WON'T WORK FOR THEM. UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS NEW, UH, ADMINISTRATION COME IN. THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, MEDICARE FOR ALL OR SOME OTHER GOVERNMENTAL SUBSIDIZED, UH, HEALTHCARE. WE NEED, UH, UH, EYECARE EYE SURGERY SPECIALISTS, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, FEW, UH, FEW BLOCKS FROM THE HOSPITAL. PATIENTS CANNOT GO INTO THE HOSPITAL AND GET THESE KIND OF SURGERIES. THESE ARE DONE OR PATIENT. SO TO PROVIDE A, UH, PARKING FOR THE PATIENTS OR THE PEOPLE [02:45:01] WHO COME WITH THE PATIENT SEE THE MOST IDEAL SITUATION FOR THIS APPLICANT. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WILL NOT SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER GREENHOUSE ON THIS, UH, ON THIS MOTION FOR DENIAL. BUT I DO RESPECT HER FOR A LOT FOR OTHER ANALYTIC SKILLS IN SHAPE, PROVIDED US WITH A LOT OF INSIGHTS INTO ZONING, LAW, LAND USE. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KAMATH. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. I THINK THE BETS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS, UH, DOWNTOWN IS, ARE THE ELDERLY THAT LIVE IN THEIR HOUSES THAT ARE PROBABLY PAID FOR AT THIS POINT AND DON'T REALLY MOVE OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THEY HAVE TO STAY THERE AND USE THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED AROUND THEM. AND THIS ONE WOULD BE AN EXTREME SERVICE THAT IS NECESSARY TO THE WELLBEING OF THEIR, THEIR LIVES AS THEY LIVE IN THEIR OUT, AS THEY LIVE OUT THEIR LIVES. AND A HOUSE THEY PROBABLY GREW UP IN. THESE ARE SMALL, UH, COTTAGE HOMES, I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE ALL PAID FOR. AND, AND THESE PEOPLE STILL LIVE THERE. SO WE'RE PROVIDING THEM THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. I THINK THE CASE THAT STAFF IS MAKING, AND THE COMMISSIONER IS AGREEING WITH STAFF THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN IN THESE VACANT TRACKED AREAS IS ONE THAT WE DISCUSS OFTEN. AND WE DO, UH, WE DO AGREE AND WE DO VOTE THESE IN AT TIMES, BUT NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE THOSE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THOSE IN THEIR HOUSES RIGHT NOW ARE GOING TO NEED SERVICES BECAUSE THEY ARE AGING OUT, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET THE SERVICES THEY NEED. I'M FINDING IT DIFFICULT THAT EVEN CITY COUNCIL WOULD AGREE WITH THIS THOUGHT THAT WE FOREGO THEIR HEALTHCARE SERVICES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT ISN'T THERE, THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE, BE THERE BECAUSE IT'S A VACANT TRACT OF LAND. UM, SO I CAN AGREE WITH THE DENIAL THAT BOTH, UH, COMMISSIONER AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING. UM, LAND IS FLUID. I DON'T THINK THIS IS NECESSARILY THAT WE HAD TO STICK WITH ANY PLANNING PLAN THAT WAS MADE. PLANS GET CHANGED BY ANY, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION. I MEAN, AND THEY DISCUSS THESE AS WELL. THIS IS NOT ON THIS CASE, SO THERE'S NO REASON TO BRING UP THE PLAN OF ANY PLAN AMENDMENT. THIS IS ABOUT PROVIDING A SERVICE TO THE ELDERLY AND THE NEEDY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND MAKING IT THE MOST CONVENIENT AND THE LEAST EXPENSIVE AS POSSIBLE, SO TO SAY, TO DENY IT'S TO DENY THOSE ELDERLY THE SERVICES IN THE HEALTHCARE THAT THEY NEED. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, COMMISSIONER GR, HOUSE COMMISSIONER GREY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RESPOND WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERING THE LAND USE PLAN, UM, IN CHAPTER 35, 4 21, ZONING AMENDMENTS FOR ALL APPLICATIONS FOR REZONING. D S D. BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHALL MAKE A DETERMINATION REGARDING CONSISTENCY WITH THE POLICIES CONTAINED IN THE MASTER PLAN OF THE CITY, OR IF APPLICABLE, THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY PERIMETER OR SECTOR PLAN. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THAT. THAT IS WHY I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE PLAN AND WHY I ALWAYS CONSULT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IN, IN, ESPECIALLY IN THESE CASES THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADOPTED THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS, AND WE ARE BOUND TO LOOK AT IT AS THE ZONING COMMISSION, WHO IS THE RECOMMENDING BODY TO CITY COUNCIL. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THAT. AND, UM, OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I, I JUST HAVE TO ECHO THAT. IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST IN OUR CITY, IN OUR U D C, I MEAN, PLANNING IS THE BACKBONE OF ZONING. ZONING MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE EXCEPT UNDER A PLAN. THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVE ZONING. UM, SO I, I WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION AS WELL. AND, UM, OKAY. I, I SEE YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBON, SO IT'LL BE YOUR SECOND ROUND. I'M JUST GONNA SAY SOMETHING, UM, UN UNLESS THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO HASN'T HAD A FIRST TIME THAT WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. OKAY. SO, UM, BOTH, UH, CASES, THE LAST ONE AND THIS ONE ARE CONFLICT BECAUSE I SEE THE NEED, BUT THEN I ALSO, I RESPECT, UM, THE PLAN AND ALSO THE NEED FOR, UM, HOUSING. UM, AND SO IN THE LAST CASE, I, THE LOCATION AND THE EXISTING HOME, BUT THIS ONE, THE WAY WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND THE, UM, FACT THAT IT'S CURRENTLY THE CURRENT LAND USE IS, UM, VACANT IS, UM, I, I, SO I, I'M STILL KIND OF TORN, BUT I THINK THAT I'LL PROBABLY BE LEANING TO, UM, NOT SUPPORTING ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. ALL RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, OKAY, IS [02:50:01] MY LITTLE REBUTTAL TO THAT. WE ARE NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE'RE THE ZONING COMMISSION, AND WE DO TALK ABOUT LAND USE. YOU ARE REPRESENTING A CLIENT THAT'S NOT HERE. IT'S A VACANT TRACT OF LAND. THERE IS NO CLIENT HERE ASKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR TO BUILD A HOUSE OF ANY KIND. THE CLIENT BEFORE YOU, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, IS TO BUILD A PARKING LOT TO FACILITATE A HEALTH FACILITY THAT SERVES THE ELDERLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY BE SAYING WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT NEVER ANY OF THE SERVICES THAT WOULD SERVICE THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THERE HAS TO BE BOTH. WE BUILD MIXED COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THIS CITY. IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO HAVE, UH, RETAIL CENTERS SO WE CAN BUY GROCERIES OR, UH, QUICK TRIPS OR, OR OUR, IN THIS CASE, OUR DOCTOR OFFICES, WHICH IS NOT, UM, IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN, AND IT'S GONNA MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THIS, THE CONSTITUENTS DOWN IN THIS AREA. SO WE ARE NOT PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY. WE ARE ZONING. AND THE CASE BEFORE YOU IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO NEEDS TO PUT A PARKING LOT IN TO SERVE THE ELDERLY, WHICH IS YOUR CONSTITUENCY. AND THAT'S WHO WE NEED TO BE THINKING OF TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN. IN FACT, IT PROBABLY WILL SUB VACANT AND WE'LL COME BACK ANOTHER TWO YEARS WHEN MAYBE SOME OF US AREN'T SERVING ON THIS BOARD AND ASK FOR A PARKING LOT. SO TODAY, THE NEED IS A PARKING LOT. TODAY IS WHEN WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION TO SERVE THE CONSTITUENCIES THAT LIVE DOWN IN THAT AREA. AND GOD BLESS THEM ALL. I HOPE, UH, I HOPE THEY FIND THE NEED THAT THEY, THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED IN THE MOST CONVENIENT AND THE MOST LEAST EXPENSIVE WAY. THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THEM. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GIS. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, UM, RESPECTFULLY REMIND EVERYONE IF WE'RE, WE CAN ADDRESS THE FACTS, BUT LET'S TRY NOT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS DIRECTLY. JUST THE, UM, THE, THE CASE AT HAND, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UNLESS YOU'RE ASKING A QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES, AND, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, I HAVE THE EXACT OPPOSITE FEELING THAT COMMISSIONER MCGEE HAD ON, ON. I WOULD'VE FLIP FLOPPED ON THE OTHER ONE. I I WOULD, I WOULD'VE SAID THAT THAT OTHER ONE WAS MORE CONDUCIVE TO A PARKING LOT OR MORE APPROPRIATE VERSUS THIS ONE JUST BECAUSE, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, RATHER THAN HAVING A, UM, A SCHOOL, YOU'VE GOT A HOUSE AND IT'S IN MID-BLOCK. AND SO, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN, IN, INTO THE, A MID-BLOCK IS, IS WHERE I ALWAYS HAVE ISSUE. SO I WILL BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES, UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONS, COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. UM, ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR DENIAL. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. DR. JONES? NO. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? NO. COMMISSIONER? WE NO. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SY? YES. VICE CHAIR ANTE. AYE. CHAIR MCGEE? UH, NO. MOTION FAILS. FIVE TO SIX. SO, UH, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT ABOUT THIS CASE, THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING. IT WAS CONTINUED LAST TIME. SO THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING. UM, IF THERE'S NO MOTION TO RECONSIDER IN A NEW MOTION, THIS COULD MOVE AUTOMATICALLY TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT WOULD BE A DEFAULT MOTION OF DENIAL. SO LEAVE THAT ON THE FLOOR IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FROM SOMEBODY WHO VOTED NO TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. OKAY. I DON'T SEE THAT. SO WE'LL, UM, GO WITH THAT. IT FAILS AND MOVE TO CITY COUNCIL. ALL THANK YOU, MA'AM. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD? LET ME JUST, UH, CHECK. UM, SO WE HAVE ITEMS, WHAT, 12 AND 17 LEFT, IS THAT CORRECT? NINE ALSO. 9, 9 0 9, 9, 12, AND 17. OKAY. YES MA'AM. SO ITEM [9. 20-6692 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700208 CD (Council District 5)] NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO C2 CD. [02:55:01] ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER LOCATED AT 9 28 SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE AVENUE. THERE WERE 28 NOTICES SENT OUT. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT WHEN IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM OSMA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE EXISTING R FOUR BASE ZONING DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND SO IS THE PROPOSED C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED USE USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WITHIN MOST OF THIS BLOCK AND SURROUNDING AREA. IT APPEARS THAT THIS BLOCK IS SLOWLY TRANSITIONED TO COMMERCIAL ZONING USES. THE PROPOSED C TWO WOULD ALLOW FOR EXPANSION OF A HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED AN UPDATED SITE PLAN. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? ALEJANDRO SANCHEZ, ARE YOU THERE? NO, I'M, I'M ISAAC DY AND I'M CALLING ON, ON HIS BEHALF. OH, OKAY. VERY GOOD. GO AHEAD, SIR. EXPLAIN, UH, THE CASE TO THE COMMISSION, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. SO THE LAST TIME WE MET AND WE HAD TO ATTEND ONE APPROVAL ON THIS, AND IT WAS, IT WAS BASICALLY, UM, REZONING THE PROPERTY FROM R SIX TO C TWO TO ALLOW FOR PARKING. UH, BUT SINCE THE LAST MEETING AND ACTUALLY, UH, AFTER PUTTING TOGETHER THE SITE PLAN, WE WERE REQUESTING A, UH, UH, A SPECIAL USE TO BE ABLE TO PUT A, A APPROXIMATE, LIKE A 1400, UH, SQUARE FOOT, UH, STORAGE, UH, FACILITY IN THE REAR PART OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT FOR, FOR, TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT FOR NEW, TO STORE THE UH, MATERIAL. OKAY. AYE. THANK YOU, SIR. IF YOU'LL STAND BY YOUR QUESTIONS STAFF. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS ITEM WAS BASICALLY PULLED DOWN BECAUSE OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN AND THEN THE CHANGE, UH, THE CHANGE OF REQUEST. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT. YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WAS RAISED IN THE PREVIOUS HEARING, AND I THINK REMAINS A BIG ISSUE, IS, UM, THAT THERE WILL NOT BE AN EXIT FROM THIS PROPERTY ONTO SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE AVENUE, CORRECT? NO, NOT ON THE, NOT ON THE, ON THE LOT THAT WE'RE REQUESTING THE ZONING? THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT ABOUT ON THE OTHER LOT? THERE SEEMS TO BE AN INDICATION. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. SORRY, I'M, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER. SO ON THE, ON THE SITES, ON THE, ON THE LOT THAT WE'RE REQUESTING THE ZONING, UH, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY ENTRANCE FOR, FOR CUSTOMERS AND CLIENTS, UH, THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THAT LOT. OKAY. AND ON 9 24 SOUTH ST. AUGUSTINE ON, ON 9 24, THERE IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT, THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO UTILIZE. SO FOR INGRESS EGRESS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR CUSTOMERS ENTRANCE. LIKE, WELL, WE HAD DISCUSSED IN THE LAST ONE THAT WE WANNA, WE WANT ALL THE FLOW TO COME IN THROUGH, THROUGH THE GENERAL MCMULLEN SIDE, UH, UM, AND NOT THROUGH THE SAN AUGUSTINE SIDE, BUT IN, IN RECONFIGURING THE, THE SITE PLAN, UM, WE'RE GONNA LOSE SOME OF THE STORAGE SPACE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR MATERIAL TO ALLOW FOR ALL THE, UH, ALL THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THAT COME IN FROM GENERAL MCMULLIN. AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE REQUESTING JUST TO UTILIZE THE BACK PART OF THE LOT TO STORE TO USE AS A STORAGE FOR THE MATERIALS. UM, WE, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT, JUST THAT DRIVEWAY, UM, MORE FOR THE, MORE, MORE SO TO, FOR THE, FOR THE FLOW OF THE TRAFFIC COMMISSIONER. UH, BUT NOT, NOT SO MUCH. 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE DO WANT TO RESTRICT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY ENTRANCES FROM THE REAR FOR, FOR THE CUSTOMERS FOR THIS BUSINESS. OKAY. UM, SO THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS FOR RIGHT NOW. UM, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, BUT I'LL RESERVE THOSE UNTIL AFTER MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS CHANGE AND INCLUDING KEEPING THAT CURB CUT AND THE, UH, EXIT ONTO SOUTH SAN AUGUSTINE IS, MAKES [03:00:01] US A MUCH CLOSER CASE IN MY MIND THAN THE PREVIOUS TIME. UM, I DROVE BY HERE YESTERDAY, UM, KEEPING IN MIND THE COMPLAINTS OF NEIGHBORS ON FRONT AUGUSTINE, UM, REGARDING SORT OF TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE PARKING ON THAT ROAD TO GET ACCESS TO, UM, THIS, THIS COMPANY. UM, AND IN FACT, AS I DROVE BY, THERE WERE PEOPLE CARTING SUPPLIES OFF, OUT THROUGH THIS CURB CUT ON SOUTH SUN AUGUSTINE, UH, AT 9 24. UM, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE COULD LIMIT THAT ACCESS, THIS WOULD BE A MUCH EASIER CASE. UM, NEVERTHELESS, GIVEN THE WAY THAT THIS SORT OF BLOCK SEEMS TO BE GOING, AND DESPITE THE FACT, UM, THAT THERE IS THIS ONE R FOUR THAT'S HANGING OUT AT I BELIEVE 9 32, UM, I AM GONNA MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, CHAIR SECOND JONES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I'M SORRY, JUST, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I MISSED A QUESTION PERIOD. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE, LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS AN EX NEXT, NEXT DOOR AND I, WAS THIS A CASE I MISSED? DID YOU DO THIS CASE TWO WEEKS AGO? YES. OKAY. WELL THEN MY BAD IF I WASN'T THERE AND I'LL, THAT'S FINE. I, I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES, DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIN? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI. DR. ROMERO? YES, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. I'M GONNA ABSTAIN. I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS CASE SINCE I MISSED IT LAST WEEK, SO I'LL ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER WHITE, I, UM, HAD TO ATTEND TO A MATTER FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY, SO I WASN'T, I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT, SO I'M GONNA ABSTAIN AS WELL. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I AM GOING TO SAY NO AND STAND WITH THE ONE REMAINING LITTLE HOUSEHOLD. I DON'T LIKE PUSHING TRAFFIC BACK THROUGH THERE. THANK YOU MR. SIFE? YES. VICE CHAIR BUS, UH, CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ONE AND TWO ABSTENTIONS. ITEM NUMBER 12 [12. 20-6700 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700226 (Council District 6)] IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO N A TO C TWO. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT FOUR 11 AND NIQUE AND BARRETA PARKWAY, WE SENT OUT 24 NOTICES AND WE RECEIVED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATION. THE BASE C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WILL, WILL REMAIN THE SAME. THE REZONING REMOVES THE NA NON NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES RESTRICTION SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN OPERATE A GROCERY STORE WITH ALCOHOL SALES. THE CURRENT C TWO, A COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO WOULD ALLOW COMMERCIAL USES AND SPECIFICALLY A GROCERY STORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MADAM CARE. THANK YOU. UH, MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HELLO? YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UH, MY NAME IS, EXCUSE ME, JACQUELINE RAMOS. AND OUR CORPORATE ADDRESS IS 88 30 LONG POINT ROAD, SUITE 700, HOUSTON, TEXAS 7 7 0 5 5. THANK YOU, MA'AM. LET US KNOW ABOUT YOUR CASE PLEASE. UH, YES. I'M CALLING, UH, [03:05:01] FROM THE CORPORATE OFFICE OF LAMI ANA MEAT MARKET. UH, WE HAVE 14 STORES IN THE SAN ANTONIO AREA, UH, INCLUDING ONE IN SEIN. I'M NOT TOO SURE HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO THE SAN ANTONIO AREA, BUT WE RECENTLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AT ENRIQUE BARRA PARKWAY, FOUR 11 ENRIQUE BARRA PARKWAY, UM, WITH THE INTENTION OF BUILDING ANOTHER LAME TRUCK MEAT MARKET ON THAT LOCATION. UM, OUR CONSTRUCTION TEAM AND THE OWNERS HAVE ASKED, YOU KNOW, HAVE ASKED ME TO PLEASE SEND IN AN APPLICATION SO THAT IT CAN, IT CAN REMOVE THE NA UH, ZONING RESTRICTION OFF OF IT. UM, LAMI CHECK GONNA, MEAT MARKET IS NOT A BAR. WE DON'T PLAN TO TURN INTO A BAR OR OPERATE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING WHERE BEER OR WINE SALES ARE THE FOCUS OF IT. UM, BUT MOST OF OUR STORES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS IF THERE'S A SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET OR A CHURCH VERY CLOSE TO IT. UM, ALSO SELL BEER AND WINE FOR OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION. UM, IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT IS, IT IS NOT THE MAIN FOCUS OF OUR STORES, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY A GOOD ADD-ON FOR OUR CUSTOMERS WHEN THEY GO IN AND BUY THEIR MEAT FOR THEIR GRILLING FOR THE WEEKEND. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE REST OF, OF THEIR ITEMS, THEY CAN ALSO GET A SIX PACK OF BEER, UH, TO ENJOY. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, THAT THE RESTRICTION CAN BE REMOVED SO THAT WE CAN ALSO OFFER BEER AND WINE AS WE DO AT, AT MOST OF OUR OTHER LOCATIONS. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU MS. RAMOS. IF YOU'LL STAND BY JUST IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, SURE. STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM. WE'LL BE PLAYING A VOICEMAIL. OKAY. YES. MY NAME IS MOSES CAMPOS. MY STREET ADDRESS IS TWO 14 SOUTHWEST 35TH STREET. THE CASE NUMBER THAT I'M CALLING FOR IS Z 2 0 2 0 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 2 2 6. THE STREET ADDRESS FOR THAT IS FOUR 11 E LINCOLN AND BARRO PARKWAY. I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE A COMMENT BECAUSE GOING ON FIVE YEARS, I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS. I'VE CALLED THE POLICE MANY TIMES FOR SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON AROUND THE AREA. UM, WE HAD HOMELESS AND DRUG ADDICTS COME AROUND THE AREA LEAVING TRASH, YOU'RE FREE AND THEY KEEP ON COMING BACK. UM, I THINK AS, UH, WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY OF THAT BUILDING SHOULD PUT UP A GATED FENCE TO KEEP THESE PEOPLE FROM COMING BACK AND FORTH. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. MS. RAMOS, WOULD YOU LIKE, UH, TIME TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, UH, HONESTLY, I, I GUESS THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST THAT I'M HEARING OF, OF THAT TYPE OF COMPLAINT. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE THAT WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. IT IS PROBABLY BEEN SOMETIME LAST YEAR, SO MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR OR SO. UM, I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, THE INFORMATION, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I CAN CALL THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT AND SEE IF THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF, UM, TRESPASS AFFIDAVIT, UM, OR ANYTHING. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A FENCE PLANNED FOR THE AREA. UM, BUT HOPEFULLY ONCE, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION STARTS AND DEFINITELY ONCE THE STORE GETS OPEN, I THINK THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS SINCE IT WON'T BE A VACANT PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, WE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER, WE THANK YOU CHAIR. SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE, UH, LOS CARDENAS, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS NOW IN DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, UH, APPLICATION. AND, UH, THANK CHRISTIE FOR CLARIFYING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FOR THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, YES, UH, WITH THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY THE WAY IT IS, UH, IT COULD USE SOME IMPROVEMENT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, LAMEAN MEAT MARKETS THAT ARE AROUND THE CITY NOW, UM, I DON'T THINK YOU SEE THE VAGRANTS THAT, UH, THE GENTLEMAN WAS CALLING ABOUT. SO, I MEAN, I LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS, UH, THE, [03:10:01] THE MARKET IS PLANNING TO GO INTO, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE A BENEFIT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UH, THAT, UH, THIS MARKET CAN SERVICE THE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE THEM TO, YOU KNOW, NUTRITIOUS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEMSELVES. SO AGAIN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE LARGE LOS ARDS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, IF THEIR LETTER OF SUPPORT CAME IN TOO LATE, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS EMAILED YESTERDAY AT 6:30 AM TO THE D S D. SO, UM, AND I, I SAW IT. OKAY. SO I CAN SAY THAT THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DOES SUPPORT IT. SO, AND, AND AGAIN, I'LL BE SUPPORTING A, A MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LEE. ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, I'M, UH, WHAT IS THE, WHAT, WHAT DO THEY PLAN TO PUT HERE? A, A MEAT MARKET. SO YOU, THE APPLICANT. TELL ME THAT AGAIN. UH, IT'S A GROCERY STORE AND MEAT MARKET, ANA MEAT MARKET. IT'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS BIG AS YOUR HEBS OR YOUR KROGER'S. I BELIEVE THIS ONE MIGHT BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12,000 AND 14,000 SQUARE FEET. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY, UM, YOU KNOW, A MID-SIZE GROCERY STORE AND MEAT MARKET BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUTCHERS AS WELL THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR SPECIFIC CUT OF MEAT AND, AND SPECIFIC, UH, SIZE AND, AND WEIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GROCERY STORE AS WELL WITH THE INSIDE, UH, BAKERY. SO, UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S A SUPERMAR BEN'S SUPERMARKET, ARLENE'S UP THE STREET, FRIEND'S FOOD MART. SO YOURS IS BIGGER THAN, THAN THIS. SO THESE ARE SMALL CONVENIENCE STORE TYPE MARKETS. YOURS IS MORE OF A, A FULL GROCERY STORE MARKET. YES. YES. I SURE WISH WE COULD PROVE THE STREET OUT THERE, . OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS? UH, UH, COMMISSIONER, WE THANK YOU CHAIR. AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND JONES. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER. WE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, COMMISSIONER, WE, WE DID RECEIVE LOS NOTICED. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY DIDN'T SEND IT TO THE PLANNER, THEY SENT IT TO US, AND OUR E EMAILS GET BOGGED DOWN SOMETIMES THOUGH, BUT I DID SEE IT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE, MA'AM? YES, MR. THANK YOU. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE A DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBON? YES. MR. WHITE? YES. MR. MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. VICE CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 11 TO ZERO. THANK YOU. ITEM [17. 20-6668 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700236 (Council District 1)] NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE AND C THREE AND A TO I DZ TWO ALL OVER RELEASE REMAINING THE SAME, BUT THIS IS PERMITTED FOR 20 DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 1508 SOUTH ST. MARY STREET, ONE 20 PLAYMORE STREET, AND 1423 SOUTH CREST STREET. WE SENT 38 NOTICES OUT. WE RECEIVED ZERO IN SUPPORT, ONE IN OPPOSITION. NO RESPONSE FROM KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND LACA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. THE EXISTING C THREE BASED ZONING DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED I D Z TWO WAS ALSO APPROPRIATE AND ACHIEVES THE PLAN'S GOALS OF INCREASING THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN [03:15:01] OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IS REQUESTED TO PER TO PERMIT DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE INTO 20 NEW HOMES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UH, MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON. COMMISSIONERS. UH, PATRICK CHRISTENSEN. AGAIN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. UH, TODAY WE'RE REQUESTING BASICALLY A REZONING TO IDZ TWO FOR SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THEY WILL BASICALLY BE JOINED. SO TWO, TWO UNITS WILL SHARE A COMMON WALL WITH SPACE IN BETWEEN EACH OF THOSE WITH A DRIVEWAY IN, AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WITH REAR FACING GARAGES. SO THE UNITS WILL FACE PLAYMORE FACING NORTH. UH, PLAYMORE IS A VERY WIDE STREET AT THIS AREA. UM, WE'VE RECEIVED FROM, THERE'S SOME EXISTING STRUCTURES THERE. WE DID RECEIVE PERMISSION FROM THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO DEMOLISH THOSE. THEY ARE NOT HISTORIC AND I'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH LAVACCA ON THE DESIGNS OF THE BUILDINGS. THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR SOME TWEAKS. WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE. UM, BUT THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE REZONING. LIKE I SAID, THEY WILL BE FOR SALE STRUCTURES TO BE CONSTRUCTED BY IMAGINE HOMES. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE, BUT I WOULD HOPE YOU, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT SHE WOULD SUPPORT THIS REZONING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. IF YOU'LL STAND BY JUST IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL. OKAY. MY NAME IS ALEJANDRO GARCIA JR. MY RESIDENCE IS 1 29 BEARING AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 0. THE ITEM NUMBER THAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT IS ITEM NUMBER 17. AND, UH, I GUESS THE NEXT NUMBER AFTER THAT IS TWO ZERO DASH 6 6 8. AND WHAT I'M QUESTIONING OR REQUESTING INFORMATION ON IS THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING THAT'S GONNA GO BEHIND ME. AND, UH, WE'RE CURIOUS TO FIND OUT THE BUILDING HAS BEEN BEHIND OUR HOUSE AND STUFF SECURING OUR BACKYARD WHERE WE, AND THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, WE DIDN'T NEED A FENCING, BUT NOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE CHANGING EVERYTHING, WHEN AND HOW ARE THEY GONNA DO THE SECURITY OF MY YARD AND PRIVACY OF MY YARD FOR THE FENCING THAT THEY'RE GONNA, WHEN THEY REMOVE THE BUILDING? THOSE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH. AND THEN LOOKING AT AND ALSO THE DRAINAGE. WHERE ARE THEY GONNA DRAIN? BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS FLOODING MY YARD FROM THAT BUILDING. YOU CAN GIMME ANSWERS ON THAT. I'D APPRECIATE IT. ONCE AGAIN, IT'S ALEJANDRO GARCIA JR. AT 1 29 BARING AVENUE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, MA'AM. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CHRISTENSEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TIME TO RESPOND? YES, I WILL REACH OUT TO MR. GARCIA. CURRENTLY THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE ON PLAYMORE, THE, THE LARGE BUILDING THAT BASICALLY FRONTS ON ST. MARY'S AND RUNS EAST ONTO PLAYMORE. HE, HE'S CORRECT. THE, THE WALL OF THE BUILDING IS THE BACKYARD FENCE FOR A COUPLE OF, OR A FEW OF THOSE PROPERTIES THERE. SO IN, AS I STATED TO LAVACCA IS THAT WE, WE WILL BE BUILDING A BACKYARD FENCE THERE AND WE'LL BE DOING SOME TREE PLANTINGS AND IMAGINE HOMES IS WILLING TO DO SOME TREE PLANTING IN THE BACKYARDS OF ANY HOMEOWNERS THAT, THAT WISH FOR THEM JUST TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SCREENING. BUT WE WILL BE PROVIDING A BACKYARD FENCE AND I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM ON THAT. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER GR HOUSE, UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS, SO IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. CHRISTENSEN QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? OKAY. COMMISSIONER GREENHOUSE. YES. SO I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION OR I AM MAKING A MOTION. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CURRENT. UH, MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE. ITEM NUMBER 17. UM, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE DEVELOPER HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND ARE, UH, GOING TO BE TURNING WHAT HAS BEEN, UM, VACANT, UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY INTO NEW HOUSING, UM, AND RESTORING, UM, ONE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT IS ALONG, UM, ST. MARY'S STREET IN CONNECTION WITH THIS. UM, SO, UM, REALLY GLAD TO SEE, UH, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. AND, UM, AND AGAIN, GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE NEIGHBORS. THANK SECOND JONES. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? SORRY, FORGOT TO ASK THIS QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. UM, PATRICK, WERE THESE MARKET RATE OR SOME TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THEY WILL BE MARKET RATE. [03:20:01] OKAY. SO, AND WHAT WOULD THAT MARKET RATE BE? DO YOU KNOW? LOOK, THEY'RE LOOKING AT FROM 3 75 TO ABOUT FOUR 50, DEPENDING ON OPTIONS. THREE. ARE THESE, THESE ARE CONDOS FOR SALE? OH, THEY'RE, NO, THEY'RE FOR SALE TOWN HOMES, IF YOU WILL. OH. OH, OKAY. SO I SEE. WHERE'S, WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? PROBABLY ABOUT 1800 SQUARE FEET EACH. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN? NO. THEY'RE FOR SALE. SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? NO, DOWNTOWN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. RIGHT. UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS WITH DISCUSSION? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMI? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI DR. G**O? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NOT AFFORDABLE, BUT YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPS? YES. VICE CHAIR ANTE AYE. AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES BY A VOTE OF 11 TO ZERO. OKAY. THAT IS ALL THE ITEMS WE HAVE OTHER THAN THE MINUTES. OKAY. SO [22. 20-6764 Consideration and Approval of the November 3, 2020 Zoning Commission meeting minutes.] WE RECEIVED THE MINUTES FOR THE NOVEMBER 3RD, UH, MEETING. UM, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? OKAY, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. SECOND. MR. SIPES. THANK . THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES BY COMMISSIONER BUSANTE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SIPES. UM, STAFF ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GRAU? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAUS? YES. MR. WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. MR. GIBBONS? SAME. MR. WHITE? AYE. MR. MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPS? YES. VICE CHAIR MUSANTE AYE. AND CHAIR MCGEE? YES. THE MOTION FOR THE MINUTES PASSES? 11 TO ZERO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO IS THERE AN EXECUTIVE MADAM CHAIR? YES SIR. I'M SORRY, POINT OF ORDER. I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, 10 TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION. OH, THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. SO MM-HMM. . I'M SORRY SIR. WHO? ABSTAINED WE DIDN'T CATCH THAT. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YEAH, GIBBONS. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. ALWAYS SO SHARP. OKAY, . VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, IS THERE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S REPORT OR ANY EXPECTATION FOR AN EARLIER WORK SESSION FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? UM, LET'S SEE. THE WORK SESSION SHOULD BE STARTING AT THE NORMAL TIME. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR WORK SESSION FOR THE NEXT TIME. MM-HMM. , UH, SO WE WOULD BE BACK TO 1230. OKAY. AND IS THERE EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS, UH, REPORT OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. OTHER THAN HAVE A SAFE AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING, . OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, EVERYBODY. I AM SO THANKFUL FOR YOU AND THANKFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE AND I PRAY THAT YOU AND YOURS, UM, HAVE A BOUNTIFULLY, BLESSED, UH, HOLIDAY AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN DECEMBER. BLESSING EVERYBODY, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANKS EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BYE. THANK Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.