* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Work Session] [00:00:19] GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, WELCOME BACK. HAPPY NEW YEAR. UM, WE ARE READY TO BEGIN WORK SESSION. SO, MADAM CHAIR, UH, WONDERFUL, HAPPY NEW YEAR. WONDERFUL COLLEAGUES, UM, STAFF. SO GLAD THAT WE ARE STARTING TOGETHER. 2021 POSITIVE START. UM, LET'S, UH, GO AHEAD AND, UH, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIAL BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT THE AGENDA? I DO. UM, WE HAD A CASE THAT GOT WITHDRAWN RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. UH, IT IS CASE ITEM NUMBER 15. IT ENDS IN 2 8 0 ON CHIMNEY SPRINGS DRIVE. THAT CASE WAS WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT OR WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PULL IF WE COULD SEE THAT, UM, COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, PLEASE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE? YES, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, STAFF FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GONNA SEEK A CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 2ND. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION TO THAT EFFECT? IF SO, I'D LIKE TO MOVE HIM TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO. I KNOW THAT PATRICK WAS TALKING ABOUT IT THIS MORNING. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT HE WAS ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE ON THAT ITEM. SO WE COULD PUT IT UNDER THE COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO AGENDA IF YOU WOULD LIKE. YEAH. AND IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT CHANGES, WE CAN PUT IT ON INDIVIDUAL PLEASE. OKAY. UM, CAN I GET THE COUNTS ON 10, 11 AND 12 PLEASE? FOR ITEM NUMBER 10, THERE WERE 33 NOTICES MAILED 15 WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM LAS PALMAS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. HOWEVER, WE DID GET A VOICEMAIL. WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL ON FILE AND I BELIEVE IT IS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR MORE TIME ON THE ITEM. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 11, THERE WERE 38 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND ITEM 12 IS ALSO ON INDIVIDUAL RIGHT NOW. UH, FOR A VOICEMAIL, AGAIN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS ASKING FOR MORE TIME. THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND NONE IN OPPOSITION. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, IF ANYONE ELSE, UM, QUESTIONS OR ITEMS? UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. UM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR WILL BE SEEKING A CONTINUANCE AND JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF STAFF HAS HAD ANY COMMUNICATION, UM, AND SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER ANTE. UM, I'D LIKE TO PULL THAT AND EITHER PUT IT ON COMBINED HEARING TWO OR INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. WHICH CASE WAS THAT? ITEM NUMBER FOUR? THE ONE ON CAROLINA STREET IS 20 21 0 7 0 2 6 6. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO PAUSE FOR NOW BECAUSE APPARENTLY WE'RE HAVING A TECHNICAL ISSUE OVER HERE AND SO WE ARE NOT LIVE, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY GET BACK TO THAT QUESTION FOR YOU. COMMISSIONER BRIGHTHOUSE, WHEN WE RESUME, HOPEFULLY SHORTLY. OKAY. YAY. WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AND EVERYTHING IS PROPERLY STREAMING SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN FOLLOW ALONG AND WE ARE GOOD TO GO. SO I WOULD LIKE TO START BY ADDRESSING COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S QUESTION, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND A CONTINUANCE. UH, WE HAVE CONFIRMED, UH, THAT A CONTINUANCE FOR FEBRUARY THE SECOND. IS THAT CORRECT? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? UM, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, [00:05:01] UH, TO ME AS WELL, SO THAT, THAT SEEMS CORRECT. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, ITEMS NINE, 11 AND 18, I WILL HAVE TO RECUSE FROM ALL THREE OF THOSE. NINE, 11 AND 13. 18. OKAY. 18. SORRY ABOUT THAT. 18. OKAY. AND I HAVE SOME UPDATES ON CONTINUANCES IF WE WANNA FOLLOW ALONG. MICHAEL, CAN YOU GO TO COMBINED HEARING TOO PLEASE? SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR FOR THE COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO. THAT'S OKAY. I'M GONNA PULL NUMBER THREE. YES, TARA, I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, THAT YOU DID WANNA CONTINUE FOR THIS DATE, BUT YOU WANT IT TO BE ON INDIVIDUAL? WE, WELL, PROBABLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO CONTINUE IT, BUT ID STILL LIKE TO, UH, PUT IT ON INDIVIDUAL PLEASE. OKAY, VERY GOOD. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEMS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR CONTINUANCES, AND THESE ARE ALL TO FEBRUARY THE SECOND WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, 14, AND 22. OKAY. MADAM SHERIFF, IF YOU WANNA SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, OKAY. YES. A ANYONE ELSE? UM, ANY CASES, UM, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AROUND ON THE AGENDA? UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, MOVE, UH, PULL 21 TO INDIVIDUAL PLEASE. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT ITEM NUMBER 21 FOR INDIVIDUAL AGENDA? YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND OKAY, ONE OF THE GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER JONES. YES. UH, CASE NUMBER TWO. DID YOU GET A DIFFERENT, UM, A REQUEST FOR A DIFFERENT ZONING? STOP YOUR, OKAY. UM, SO FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF CONFUSION WITH THIS APPLICANT. THIS APPLICANT KEEPS GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THEIR REQUEST. HE CONFIRMED WITH US JUST RECENTLY THAT HE WAS GOING TO PROCEED WITH THE C TWO CD. UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT WOULD STILL BE DENIAL. HOWEVER, NOW HE'S SAYING HE WANTS TO GO WITH A DIFFERENT ZONE COMPLETELY OF O TWO AND I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK TO SEE IF THAT'S EVEN WITHIN THE RANGE OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. SO, UH, IT, THIS JUST IS A CONTINUING SITUATION WHERE IT'S FLIP FLOPPING. THE APPLICANT WANTS TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S FAVORABLE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A RESOLUTION FOR HIM. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THE LAST I HEARD WAS OH TWO, BUT, OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER JONES? NO. OKAY. A ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. UH, THAT LOOKS LIKE A CLOSE TO OUR, UM, WORK SESSION STAFF. SO WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, WE'LL, UM, BE READY TO MOVE INTO, UH, THE HEARING. OKAY. STANDBY. WE'LL BE RIGHT WITH YOU. SO MUCH A WONDERFUL, HAPPY, AND BLESSED NEW YEAR TO THE COMMUNITY OF SAN ANTONIO. MY NAME IS JOY MCGEE AND I AM THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT THREE ZONING COMMISSIONER. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICE MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. MAY WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS [00:10:01] READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE AT THIS MEETING? THANK YOU. THANK [Roll Call] YOU. STAFF. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. GRAU? HERE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER HAMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE PRESENT DR. ROMERO HERE. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? I'M HERE. I'M HERE. MR. WHITE. HERE. MR. MCDANIEL? MR. MCDANIEL. COMMISSIONER SIP HERE. VICE CHAIR BUSANTE PRESENT AND CHAIR MCGEE. PRESENT FORM IS PRESENT. QUO IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. UM, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT FOR, UM, THE COMMUNITY? PLEASE? TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEDIA MEETINGS VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE. THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW.SANANTONIO.GOV/DSD OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY TO 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES. THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING. STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORDS FOR ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATIONS. FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT, STAFF WILL PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL. LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALLBACK, WE WILL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENTS. SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED. THE APPLICANT WILL BE, WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, SO WE'RE GOING [1. 21-1205 Election of Officers] TO MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. UH, BEFORE WE, UH, TURN IT OVER TO STAFF, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES FOR ENTRUSTING ME FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS AS CHAIR FACILITATING OUR COMMISSION, UH, HEARINGS. IT IS DEFINITELY A PLEASURE, UH, SERVING, UM, OUR COMMUNITY ALONGSIDE YOU. SO, 2021 TO, TO 2022. HERE WE GO. SO, UM, MS. KAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. ALRIGHT. SO AT THIS POINT WHAT WE DO IS WE WILL, UH, TAKE NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR. WE'LL START WITH, UH, THE CHAIR POSITION AND, AND IF WE'LL ALSO ALLOW FOR, UH, PRESENTATION OR COMMENTS BY THOSE NOMINATED, SO THAT WAY, UH, THEY CAN ADVOCATE APPROPRIATELY THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS OR PUBLIC MEETING PROCESS. SO, UH, GO AHEAD AND START TAKING NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE FIRST NOMINATION. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, NOMINATE JOHN BUSANTE FOR CHAIR SECOND COMMISSIONER ROMERO. SECOND, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR FOR CHAIR? OKAY. SO FOR, UM, EFFICIENCY PURPOSES, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL JUST DO A VOICE VOTE. I WILL NEED TO HEAR YAY. AND THEN IF, UH, FOR THE, FOR, UH, THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. AND I WILL NEED TO HEAR NAY FOR THOSE NOT SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. IF WE HAVE ANY NAYS, THEN WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. ALL RIGHT. SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION FOR BUS AS CHAIR, PLEASE SAY, UH, YAY OR AYE. [00:15:01] AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. I DON'T HEAR ANYONE OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. CONGRATULATIONS. UH, COMMISSIONER BUS. YOU'RE NOT CHAIR. BUSANTE. . THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NOW TAKE NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR FOR VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER SIPES AS VICE CHAIR. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY. UH, I FORGOT TO OFFER, UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE A, A TIME FOR A STATEMENT. UH, BUT COMMISSIONER, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A STATEMENT? WELL, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, UM, OPPORTUNITY, UM, BUT I WOULD, I APPRECIATE THE NOMINATION. OKAY, GREAT. ALL RIGHT. SAME THING. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE NOMINATION FOR COMMISSIONER SYS FOR VICE CHAIR, PLEASE SAY YAY OR AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. YES. OPPOSED? SAY NAYYY. ALRIGHT. I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY OPPOSE. SO, CONGRATULATIONS. COMMISSIONER SYCH. YOU'RE NOW VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND NOW I WILL TAKE NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR FOR PRO TEMP. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER MTH. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER GIS FOR OPINION SECOND. THERE YOU GO. I GOT A SECOND FROM DR. JONES. OKAY. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR FOR PRO TEM? THIS IS COMMISSIONER SSS. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER GR HOUSE FOR PRO TEM GREATHOUSE. I SECOND THAT NOMINATION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER ROMERO. ALRIGHT, BEFORE I DO STATEMENTS, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THERE ARE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR PRO TEMP. ALRIGHT, WELL FIRST WE'LL GIVE THE FLOOR TO, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS FOR STATE. OH, I'M SO SORRY. IT HAD ME OFF OF, I WASN'T MUTE ALL THIS TIME. I APPRECIATE THE CONFIDENCE FOR MY COLLEAGUES. UM, HAPPY TO SERVE AT PRO TE UM, BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION ABOUT FOUR YEARS NOW, I GUESS. AND ENJOYED ALL OF IT AND CERTAINLY ENJOYED THE CAMARADERIE WITH EACH OF YOU, LEARNING ABOUT YOUR STYLES OF INTERPRETATION. AND, UM, I DO ENJOY PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE. IT IS A KIND OF A THING OF ABOUT ME. UM, SO IF THAT'S YOUR CHOOSING, I'M HAPPY TO SERVE. THAT WILL GIVE THE, UH, FLOOR OVER TO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE FOR A STATEMENT. THANK YOU. UM, I APPRECIATE THE NOMINATION AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU, UM, AS WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER FOR THE LAST, UH, YEAR AND A HALF. AND, UM, REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S SERVICE. AND IF YOU CHOOSE ME, THEN, UM, I WILL DO MY BEST TO SUPPORT WHEN NEEDED AND TO HELP OUT. ALRIGHT, SINCE WE HAVE TWO NOMINATIONS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE. SO FIRST, UH, IS COMMISSIONER GIBBONS FOR, UH, PROTEST. WE DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE ROLL CALL. VOTE OH OH. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. COMMISSIONER GR HUG. YEAH. OKAY. WAS THAT A RECUSAL? YES, DR. JONES, UH, GIBBONS. SO THAT WOULD BE A NAME, MA'AM. OH, YES, I GUESS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER KAMAN. YES, THE COMMISSIONER. WE QUA DR. ROMERO. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE VOTING ON HERE AND WHAT YOU WANT US TO SAY? I THINK WE'VE GOT CONFUSED. . YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE, THIS WAS FOR PRO TEM FOR GIBBONS. SO, UH, AS I GO THROUGH, IF YOU ARE IN [00:20:01] FAVOR OF GIBBONS BEING PRO TEM, YOU WILL SAY YES OR AYE. IF YOU ARE NOT, YOU'LL SAY NO OR NAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE RECUSED, IS THAT STILL THE SAME, MA'AM? YES. CAN, CAN WE LET THE RECORDS SHOW? CAN WE LET THE RECORDS SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER MCD IS HERE? YES, MA'AM. DR. JONES. DR. JONES, THIS IS FOR, UH, PROTE. UH, PROTE FOR GIBBON. YES. COMMISSIONER CAIN? YES. COMMISSIONER WHEAT. NA. DR. ROMERO? NO. MR. GIBBONS? YES. COMM WHITE? YEAH. SORRY, MY, MY, MY INTERNET WAS IN AND OUT, BUT I'M, I'M BACK. WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE VOTE RIGHT NOW? UH, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF TAKING A ROLL CALL FOR PRO TEM FORGIVEN. UH, SURE. I VOTE FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR PATTY. OH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE AWARE, THERE'S TWO NOMINATIONS ON THE FLOOR. ONE FOR COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AND ONE FOR COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. SO FIRST WE'RE ON COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. OH, I GUESS I CAN'T VOTE FOR BOTH, HUH? , IT'S UP TO YOU. UM, WELL, YEAH, I, I'LL, I'LL, I VOTE FOR, FOR COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER SIDE? NO VICE. UH, EXCUSE ME. CHAIR BUSANTE? NO. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? NO. OKAY. SO THE NAYS PREVAIL. IT IS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 NAYS TO FOUR. YES. AND ONE. AND ONE RECUSE. OKAY. SO NEXT WE WILL VOTE ON COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. MR. GREATHOUSE? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KATH? UH, NO. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. WELL, SHE WINS ANYWAY, SO I, I WANNA KNOW, I WANNA KNOW THAT I SUPPORT HER. SO YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. MAYOR MCDA. EXCUSE ME. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. THANK YOU. BUT NO, THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, , UH, COMMISSIONER SYKES? YES. CHAIR ANTE. UH, AYE. AND MR. MCGEE? YES. MR. MCGEE? YES. THANK YOU. YES. THAT IS A MOTION PASSES BY 1, 2, 10 TO ONE. ALRIGHT, NOW WE, UH, PASS IT OVER TO THE NEW CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU KAT. UM, AS A QUICK POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, I WANNA THANK CHAIR MCGEE FOR EVERYTHING SHE'S DONE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. SHE HAS ALWAYS BRIGHTENED MY DAY DURING THESE MEETINGS, UH, PARTICULARLY DURING THE LONG ONES WHEN GOD KNOWS, I THINK WE ALL NEEDED IT. UH, OF COURSE, I'M THANKFUL FOR THE TRUST THAT YOU PROPOSED IN ME AS CHAIRPERSON AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING WITH YOU ALL IN THIS COMING YEAR OR WHATEVER IT BRINGS US AFTER MAY OR JUNE OR WHATEVER ELSE. SO THANK YOU. AND I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME, BUT, UM, ALL RIGHT, STAFF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REVIEW THE CURRENT LIST OF CONSENT INDIVIDUAL AND ANY POSTPONES OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS. [15. 21-1061 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700280 CD (Council District 10)] THERE'S BEEN ONE CASE THAT'S BEEN WITHDRAWN. ITEM 15, UH, CASE TWO 80 [00:25:01] HAS BEEN MISDRAWN. AND COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE WILL INCLUDE ITEM 5, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20, 23, 24, AND 25. OKAY. COMM, UH, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR MS. ANTE, WE'RE GONNA JUST REVIEW IT ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE IT WASN'T MATCHING WHAT WAS ON THE SCREEN. SO LORIANNE WILL READ THOSE TO YOU ONE MORE TIME. SO COMBINED HEARING, COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE WILL INCLUDE ITEM NUMBER 5 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20, 23, 24, AND 25. AND, UH, WE, I'M JUST FOR THAT. ITEM 14 IS ACTUALLY MOVED TO THE COMBINED HEARING QUEUE AS A CONTINUANCE. YES. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ITEMS NINE, 11, AND 18 ARE HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM COMMAND HEARING NUMBER ONE DUE TO ONE DUE TO RECUSAL. THAT'S CORRECT. ITEM NINE, 11 AND 18 WILL BE ON COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO. THANK YOU. SO IF WE COULD PROCEED TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO PLEASE. SO FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE REFUSALS ITEM NUMBER NINE, 11, AND 18. AND THEN WE HAVE ITEM 4, 7, 14, AND 22 THAT ARE, UH, FOR CONTINUANCES AND THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. I'M SORRY, SIR, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THE READING OF THE, OR REVIEW OF THIS AGENDA. CORRECT. THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING ITEM EIGHT, SORRY, 2, 3, 6, 8, 10, 12, 21 AND 22. VERY GOOD. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY WANT TO MOVE FROM THE COMBINED AGENDAS TO THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDAS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. STAFF, IF YOU WOULD READ, PLEASE, UH, COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE INTO THE RECORD. I JUST WANNA MAKE A CORRECTION. I LISTED ITEM 22 AS BEING THE LAST ITEM ON INDIVIDUAL HEARING, BUT IT SHOULD BE THE LAST ITEM ON COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO. THANK YOU. [Items 5, 13, 16, 17, 19, 20, & 23 - 25] ARE YOU READY FOR, UH, COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE? WE ARE. IF WE COULD READ THAT INTO THE RECORD. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO MS 33, ALL OVERLAYS REMAIN SAME. THE 3,600 BLOCK OF CROOK CROOKED TRAIL, 13 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, VALLEY HILL NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. ITEM NUMBER 13 WAS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO I D Z ONE WITH USE OF PERMITTED FOR SIX DWELL UNITS. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT EIGHT 15 AND EIGHT 19 ST. JAMES STREET. 42 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE [00:30:01] WAS NO RESPONSE FOR DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 16 WAS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 83 23 SOUTHWEST LOOP. 4 10 15 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM CARMONA HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM OH TWO TO M MS 18. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 82 10 PINEBROOK DRIVE. 37 NOTICES WERE MAIL ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVORS, ONE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO C THREE NA ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. UH, LOCATED AT 1515 NORTH ZAMORA STREET, 44 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPECT RESPONSE FROM WEST END TOBIN. ACTION ITEM NUMBER 20 AS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R FOUR. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME LOCATED AT 7 31 NORTH PALMETTO AVENUE. 30 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND DIGNITY. HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 23 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE M L O D ONE ML, R ONE AND C THREE M L O D ONE ML R TWO TO M MS 33 M O D ONE ML, R ONE AND M MS 33 M O D TWO ML R TWO GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 1400 BLOCK OF VANCE JACKSON ROAD. NINE NOTICES WERE MAILED. ONE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. NONE WERE SORRY, ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR. LET ME CORRECT MYSELF. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 24 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R 6 52. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 28 12 SOUTHWEST LOOP. 4 10 15 NOTICES WERE MAIL ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND LASTLY, ITEM NUMBER 25 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A RECORD SERVICE AUTO, UH, SALES AND AUTO REPAIR TO C TWO CD WITH CONDITION, SORRY C TWO CD. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO PAINT AND BODY REPAIR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND PARTS PERMITTED BUT TOTALLY SCREENED FROM VIEW OF ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND PUBLIC ROADWAYS. LOCATED AT 37 22 SOUTHWEST LOOP FOUR TEN FIVE NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR HOLD CHAIR? BUSTAMONTE, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ITEM NUMBER 13. NUMBER 16. NUMBER 17. NUMBER 19. NUMBER 20, NUMBER 23. NUMBER 24. AND NUMBER 25 WITH CONDITIONS AS READ. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION? UH, SECOND. COMMISSIONER KAM. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FROM VICE CHAIR SITES AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KA. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GRAU? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SY. YES. CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. AND COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. 11 TO ZERO. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD MOVE ON [Items 9, 11, 18, 4, 7, 14, 22] TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO AND STAFF, IF I COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IF WE COULD HAVE ITEMS NINE, 11 AND 18 THE RECUSALS AS THE FIRST THREE [00:35:01] ITEMS, ALLOWING COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I'M SORRY, CHAIR PROTO GREATHOUSE TO STEP OUTSIDE. UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST. WE CAN DO THAT. UH, STARTING WITH COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, THEN, UM, WITH THE THREE REFUSAL ITEMS, ITEM NUMBER NINE. AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAS LEFT THE MEETING. ITEM NUMBER NINE, AS A REQUEST FROM C TWO AND R FIVE TO M MS 33, ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 1300 BLOCK, SORRY, 13,000 BLOCK OF SOMERSET ROAD. 22 NOTICES WERE MAILED. SEVEN WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 11, AS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR SS WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 2 0 6 EAST LUBBOCK STREET. 38 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND ITEM NUMBER 18, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM MR. AND C THREE TO M X E, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 3,100 BLOCK OF SOUTHEAST MILITARY DRIVE. 14 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM HIGHLAND HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR CHAIR? BUSMAN? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEMS NUMBER NINE, NUMBER 11 AND NUMBER 18. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. COMMISSIONER KAMATH. SECOND. OKAY. UH, I HEARD COMMISSIONER KATH, SO WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THAT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL MADE BY VICE-CHAIRS SIPES WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KAMATH FOR ITEMS NINE 11 AND 18. ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. MR. GIBBONS, WE'LL COME BACK TO COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. VICE CHAIR SITES? YES. AND CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. MOTION. OH, LET'S GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. OKAY, SO MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ZERO, EXCUSE ME. NINE TO ZERO. UH, THANK YOU. AND IF COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WOULD RETURN, HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE ISSUE WITH COMMISSIONER GIBBONS A LITTLE BIT. UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS NOW BACK IN THE HEARING. STAFF IF COULD BEGIN WITH THE REMAINING ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO. ALRIGHT, UM, CONTINUING WITH COMBINED HEARING. NUMBER TWO IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO I D Z TWO WITH USE OF PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND FOR 10 DWELLING UNITS. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT ONE 14 WEST CAROLINA STREET. 29 NOTICES WERE MAILS. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. LOFA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS ALSO OPPOSED. UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 2ND. UM, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR 20 DWELLING UNITS. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT SIX 11 ORIENTAL AVENUE. 42 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. TWO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. NO RESPONSE FROM COLLINS GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS OPPOSED. AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 2ND. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO C THREE AND R FIVE TO I ONE AND C ONE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 16 900 BLOCK [00:40:01] OF NADOS ROAD. 114 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ONE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM ROLLING MEADOWS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE. ITEM NUMBER 22 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO MF 18, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 11,000 BLOCK OF BRAUN ROAD. UM, FIVE NOTICES WERE MAIL, SORRY, 50 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. FIVE WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 2ND, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE A MO IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE FLOOR CHAIR? MR. THIS IS MR. I TO MAKE A MOTION FOR INFLUENCES TO FEBRUARY 2ND FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. NUMBER 14. AND NUMBER 22. AND A SECOND. SECOND MCDANIEL. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 2ND FOR ITEMS 4, 7 14, AND 22 BY VICE CHAIR SIPES. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER ? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIT? YES. COMMISSIONER WHEAT. HI. DR. ROMERO? YES. DR. ROMERO? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? DR. OH, GOTCHA. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. VICE-CHAIR SIP. YES. AND CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 2ND BY 11 TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, IF WE CAN MOVE ON [2. 20-7371 (Continued from 12/01/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700192 (Council District 2)] TO THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING DOCKET AND START WITH THE FIRST ITEM, PLEASE. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA START WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UM, TO, TO GET THE O H P STAFF ON THE LINE. SO HERE'S ITEM NUMBER TWO. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R 5 53. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 100 BLOCK OF GROVE ROAD. 17 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, SIX WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND 10 NOTICES WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. STAFF FINDS EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THIS AREA IS RURAL AND PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL CHARACTERS. THE RE THE REQUESTED C THREE WOULD GREATLY INCREASE POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. STAFF, UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD THEY LIKE TO PRESENT? MR. MONROE, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? UH, YES, I AM HERE AND, AND YES, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. GO AHEAD, SIR. YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE ZONING COMMISSION IN CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. OKAY. I, I DID, UH, SEND IN A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR THE BOARD. THANK YOU MR. MONROE. IT'S CURRENTLY UP ON THE SCREEN. YOU CAN, UH, PRESENT AND IT'LL LAG A LITTLE BIT ON THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION, BUT WE DO SEE THE FIRST SLIDE. SO IF YOU WOULD JUST CALL OUT THE NUMBERS, THE STAFF WILL PUT IT UP. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. WELL, WHAT'S GOING THROUGH NOW? I'M NOT AWARE OF, THOSE ARE JUST SOME PICTURES AND, BUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE, WHICH IS KIND OF INACCURATE [00:45:02] IN THIS PRESENTATION HERE, SIR, YOUR PRESENTATION IS CURRENTLY UP FOR THE COMMISSION BECAUSE OF THE LAG. YOU WILL NOT SEE IT QUITE YET, BUT WE DO HAVE A SLIDE THAT READS CONSOLIDATED INSTALLATION SUPPORT L L C WITH A SUMMARY AND C I S COMPANY BUSINESS PLAN. SO IF YOU CAN PRESENT FROM THERE AND THEN TELL THE STAFF WHICH SLIDES YOU WOULD LIKE, THAT WOULD BE MOST EFFICIENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL IT, UH, I'LL JUST, UH, BRIEFLY, UM, A SUMMATION OF THE SLIDES. THE FIRST SLIDE, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE OUR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UM, IS BUILD A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING. OKAY. NOT A CONSTRUCTION SITE, NOT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND ONCE THE, UM, UH, ONCE OUR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ARE IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, C I S WILL BECOME A GREATER ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY BY PROVIDING JOB OPPORTUNITIES. ALSO GIVE OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEASE OUT OFFICE SPACE, UM, IN THE INTERIM. OKAY. UM, THEN IF YOU GO TO SLIDE NUMBER TWO, UM, BASICALLY KIND OF EXPLAIN THE LAYOUT. OF COURSE, WE'RE ON A TWO ACRE LOT, WHICH GIVES US ADEQUATE SPACE TO PUT A BUFFER BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THAT ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH I THINK THERE'S ONLY ONE, MAYBE TWO HOUSES THAT, THAT'S WITHIN THE 200 FEET, UH, PARAMETER THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CITY. AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO OFFER AT LEAST A 30 FOOT BUFFER IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, COMING OFF THE STREET AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE EVEN SET BACK FURTHER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. SO, AND THEN WE WERE GONNA PUT, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING, FENCING AND SO FORTH. AND, UM, RIGHT NOW OUR PLAN IS AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID BEFORE WITH THE FENCING, THE NEXT SLIDE IS A KIND OF LIKE A SKETCH FROM, FROM, UH, ARCHITECT ON THE, THE LAYOUT. AND THIS WILL BE ALTERED SOME, UH, SUCH AS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE OF THAT WITH THE BLUE STRIPES, UH, THAT WOULD BE FIFTH IN PARKING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TENANTS OF THE BUILDING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD LEAVE THE PUBLIC PARKING VACANT ENOUGH PARKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER WOULD VISIT THAT SITE. OKAY. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE TOP RIGHT IN RED, IT AGAIN TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING, THE LOT SIZE AND SO FORTH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO WE'RE NOT SPEAKING OF SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE SO TIGHT, SO CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT THEY WOULD BE IN INTERFERENCE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEIGHBORS. AND AGAIN, ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE LOCATED. AND, AND I THINK THE FIRST SLIDE THAT WAS COMING UP THAT I SAW DID NOT INDICATE CORRECTLY WHERE MY PROPERTY IS AS OPPOSED TO THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET. OKAY. UM, BUT JUST FOR YOUR, UM, WE, WE NO LONGER REQUESTING A C THREE. I UNDERSTAND C THREE IS, IS VERY BROAD AND, AND THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT. IF THERE'RE GONNA BE ALCOHOL, UM, YOU KNOW, ALCOHOL STORE OR BAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH WOULD BRING, YOU KNOW, DISRUPTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE NO LONGER, UH, REQUESTED A C THREE. AND AFTER SPEAKING WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, VARIOUS PEOPLE, UM, I THINK OH TWO JUST OFFICE BUILDINGS WOULD BE THE BEST ROUTE TO GO. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OFFICE BUILDING, IT'S NOT DEEMED, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS NOT DEEMED COMMERCIAL, IT'S JUST AN OFFICE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE SITE. AND THAT'S FURTHER EXPLAINED. IF YOU GO TO UM, FIVE, UH, SLIDE FIVE AND YOU'LL SEE IN RED BASICALLY. 'CAUSE THE FIRST I WAS LOOKING AT A 100 BY 200 BUILDING, BUT FUNDING, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I COULD ONLY DO WHAT MY MONEY CAN DO AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DECIDED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, WHICH WOULD BE A 100 BY 80 AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT ROUGHLY ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AT [00:50:01] THIS POINT. YOU KNOW, AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THE ENTRY, UH, THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING WOULD BE FACING RIGSBY, YOU KNOW, NOT FACING THE NEIGHBORS. IT'LL BE FACING RIGSBY, BUT THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE RIGHT ABOUT, ROUGHLY ABOUT 150 FEET FROM, UH, GOING NORTH FROM THE RIG, UH, RIGSBY STREET, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, UH, WOULD BE LOW IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS ON GROVE ROAD BECAUSE, UH, THE ENTRANCE IS SO CLOSE TO RIGSBY AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE. THERE'S A SIGN SHOP RIGHT NEXT DOOR CLOSE TO RIGSBY. AND THEN MY ENTRANCE WOULD BE ABOUT 30 FEET AFTER THE SIGN SHOP ENTRANCE. OKAY. BECAUSE THE SIGN SHOP IS ALSO, THEIR INTEREST IS OFF OF GROVE ROAD AND NOT RIGSBY, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A RIGSBY ADDRESS. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTS EXACTLY WHERE MY PROPERTY IS LOCATED, WHERE RIGSBY IS AT THE BOTTOM AND THEN GROVE ROAD. AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOW IMPACT ON THE, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES. AND THEN ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE MY PROPERTY IS LOCATED, THERE'S A CHURCH TO THE LEFT OF THE SIGN SHOP AND ALL THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE CHURCH BELONGS TO THE CHURCH. AND IT'S JUST, UM, A LOTTED AREAS WITH TREES AND SO FORTH. AND, YOU KNOW, AND RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT, I TALKED TO THEM AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, TRYING TO BUILD ANYTHING ON IT. AND IF THEY DID, IT WOULD BE FOR THE CHURCH. AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET ON THE, THE HOUSING SIDE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FIRST LOT IS COMMERCIAL. AND THEN THE LOT RIGHT NEXT TO IT, EVEN THOUGH IT BELONGS TO THE FIRST HOUSE, IT'S STILL JUST OPEN, OPEN, UM, ACREAGE WITH NO, WITH NO STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING. AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE YOU COULD SEE THE AREA VIEW, YOU KNOW WHAT I JUST EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW, THE AREA VIEW. AND YOU COULD SEE THE SIGN SHOP, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE GROVE ROAD WHERE THEIR ENTRANCE IS. AND THEN MY ENTRANCE WAS RIGHT AFTER THAT. AND I HAVE A RED ARROW POINTING THERE ON WHICH I'M EVEN WILLING TO EVEN CHANGE MY ENTRANCE CLOSER TO RIGSBY TO EVEN MAKE LESS OF IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. I HOPE I, YOU KNOW, DID A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING IT AND, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYONE CAN HAVE A VISUAL OF, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND, AND AGAIN, THERE WILL BE NO EXCESSIVE VEHICLES, UH, PARKED THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, IT, IT'S JUST AN OFFICE BUILDING IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. AND I, AND I WANTED TO CHANGE THAT, THE C THREE REQUEST TO OH TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. MONROE. UH, YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL STAFF. IS THERE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. WE HAVE A CALLER ON THE LINE. MR. LONGORIA, ARE YOU THERE? YES. OKAY, GO AHEAD, SIR. YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE ZONING COMMISSION. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. UH, HELLO. MY NAME IS, UH, RAMON LONGORIA. I LIVED IN THE 1 38 GROVE DRIVE FOR OVER 30 YEARS. I PLEAD WITH THE ZONING COMMISSION TO CITE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION ON CASE P 20 21 1 6,056 TO DENY REZONING OF THIS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL DUE TO ITS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. I ASKED MR. MONROE, WHY DOESN'T HE JUST BUILD HIMSELF A HOME ON THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF A BUSINESS THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL CAUSE A BAD EFFECT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. HE SAID HIS WIFE WOULD NOT WANT TO LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS TURNS OUT TO BE A CASE OF SOMEONE NOT CARING TO LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IGNORING HOW A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WILL AFFECT OUR LIVES. MR. MONROE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE COMMERCIAL LOTS AVAILABLE IN THE AREA THAT WILL MEET ITS NEEDS FOR BUSINESS. I AND MY NEIGHBORS ARE PLEADING THAT NO FORM OR COMMERCIAL ZONE BE ALLOWED [00:55:01] FOR THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT CAN ALWAYS BE RESOLD AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER BUSINESSES WILL TAKE ITS PLACE. I URGE THIS COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE ON HOW THIS WILL AFFECT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND DENY REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY TO ANY FORM OF COMMERCIAL ZONE AND KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL FOR OUR WELLBEING AND SAFETY. BEING THAT THE ENTRANCE IS ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET AND THAT IT WILL AFFECT ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. TRAFFIC DOES NOT DIVERT FROM A COMMERCIAL LOT COMMERCIAL STREET TO A RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT WILL BE DRIVING ALL ALONG THE AREA. UM, I KNOW MY VOICE IS MY VOICE. MY NEIGHBORS COULDN'T ATTEND A VOICE MEETING, BUT, UM, THIS GREATLY IMPACTS OUR WAYS OF LIFE. I MEAN, THE RESIDENTIAL LOT TURNING INTO COMMERCIAL IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY INAPPROPRIATE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MR. LONGORIA, IF YOU WOULD HOLD ON THE LINE PLEASE. UH, IN CASE ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, MR. LONG, I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS AND I SEE THAT YOUR PROPERTY IS, UM, BOARD HAS, UH, CHAIN BANK AROUND IT. I'M SORRY, I MISSED SOMETHING ON, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR, I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS AND IT SHOWS ME THAT YOUR BOUNDARIES OF YOUR PROPERTY HAS CHAIN LINK FENCE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I HAVE, UH, APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF ACRES. YOU HAVE TWO AND A HALF ACRES. WHAT, UM, THE, THERE'S A PORTION OF YOUR LOT THAT HAS A CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT BORDERS AGAINST A COMMERCIAL LOOKING LOT WITH CERTAIN MATERIAL THAT'S STORED THERE. WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT UP A PRIVACY FENCE? WELL, I HAD, WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I CHANGED OUT FROM A FARM FENCE TO A CHAINING FENCE. AND THEN, UM, I GUESS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AFTERWARDS, THE GENTLEMAN TOOK OVER THAT PROPERTY AND HE, HE, UH, SET UP A AUTOBODY SHOP AND BOUGHT THAT EMPTY LOT WHERE RIGHT NOW HE HAS LIKE LANDFILL, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T BUDGETED TO PUT A PRIVACY FENCE TO, TO BORDER OUT ANY COMMERCIAL LOT THAT'S NEXT TO MY LOT. OKAY, BUT YOU, YOU, YOU DID SAY YOU'VE BEEN THERE 30 YEARS? YES MA'AM. OKAY. SO, SO THE PRIVACY DIDN'T REALLY BOTHER YOU THAT THERE WAS A COMMERCIAL RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A, A LARGE BUFFER, IF YOU'RE ON TWO AND A HALF ACRES, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOT A VERY LARGE BUFFER FROM THAT FENCE LINE WHERE THOSE MATERIALS ARE STORED AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT IS ON THE SITE TO YOUR HOUSE. SO YOU SEEM TO BE SATISFIED WITH THAT, A LARGE AMOUNT OF BUFFER, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AS WELL, A LARGE BUFFER. OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER JONES? UH, YES, MR. LONGORIA, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, WANTING TO CHANGE TO A, UH, ZONING, UH, DESIGNATING FOR OFFICE BUILDING. THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A C UH, UH, A COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPOSAL. AND SO THIS IS GONNA BE JUST AN OFFICE BUILDING. IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE WITH HAVING THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT. DO YOU KNOW, OR YOU, OR DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE OPPOSED TO AN OFFICE BUILDING THERE? YES MA'AM. ALL THE NEIGHBORS, UH, SPOKE TO, WE SUBMITTED A, A REQUESTED AND I, UH, REZONING THAT SHOULD BE ON FILE. YES. BUT I MEAN, THAT WAS FOR COMMERCIAL. I'M TALKING ABOUT AN OFFICE BUILDING NOW. YES, MA'AM. YEAH, THERE WERE, UM, I WALKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND UM, GAVE 'EM THE INFORMATION TO EMAIL MM-HMM. AND, UM, THE DENIAL REQUEST. OKAY. SO THEY WOULD, IT'S NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S JUST LIKE A OFFICE BUILDING OR CONSTRUCTION BUILDING. IT'S, IT'S A IDEA OF JUST HAVING AN OFFICE BUILDING COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. SO THEY'RE OPPOSED TO OFFICE BUILDING AND COMMERCIAL, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. OKAY. OKAY. YES. [01:00:05] ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR MR. LONGORIA? COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE CHAIR SIPES? YES. THANK YOU. UH, MR. LONGORIA, UH, PICKING UP ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE BUFFER, UM, YOUR HOUSE, UM, IS UP AT THE KIND OF NORTHERN PART OF YOUR PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. IF I HAVE A CHANCE AFTER YOU EXPLAIN THAT, I CANNOT EXPLAIN OUR WHY OUR LOT IS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, FROM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON GOOGLE MAPS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS LARGE RECTANGULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE SOUTHERN PART BORDERS THAT COMMERCIAL LOT THAT'S OFF OF RIGSBY AND THEN YOUR HOUSE IS AT THE NORTHERN PART, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SEPARATED, BUT, BUT WOULD BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSAL. AND, AND I, I DON'T WANNA PUT WORDS INTO YOUR MOUTH, BUT I, I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT'S WHERE YOUR CONCERN IS, IS THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU WOULD HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR AN OFFICE OR YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU VERSUS AWAY. AM I KIND OF YEAH, THAT, THAT AND THE, WHEN WE FIRST BOUGHT THE HOUSE, THE LOT, THE HOUSE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, SO MM-HMM. , WE MOVED THE HOUSE TO WHERE IT IS NOW. WE ADDED TO IT WITH THE INTENTION OF BUILDING A HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT. THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN OUR DREAM. WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE A TON HOME RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT WHERE THE HOUSE USED TO BE. SO THAT'S STILL IN OUR DREAMS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I'M PUTTING TWO BOYS THROUGH, WELL ONE WENT THROUGH COLLEGE AND ONE'S GOING THROUGH COLLEGE. SO OUR DREAM HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST IN OUR PLANS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE STILL OWN THIS PROPERTY. I KNOW WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WE BOUGHT IT NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BEING THAT IT'S IN A CORNER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE MAN THAT OWNS THAT COMMERCIAL LOT. I MEAN, HE'D GONE AWAY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COMPLAINTS I HAVE WITH CO COMPLIANCE ABOUT THE WAY HE HANDLES HIS DEBRIS AND SUCH, BUT THERE'S QUITE A FEW. I TRY TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, MY PROPERTY INTEREST AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS. BUT NOW MR. MONROE'S IDEA SAYING, WELL, THERE'S A CHURCH, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THERE IN THE CORNER. SO WHAT IS, WHAT DOES IT MATTER COMING INTO A MIDDLE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT MEANT TO BE A BUSINESS PLACE. THERE'S A LOT OF, LOTS IN THE AREA. IF HE LIKES THE AREA FOR BUSINESS, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL LOTS ON RIGSBY THAT HE CAN INVEST HIS MONEY INTO, BUT TO COME INTO A MIDDLE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE HE BOUGHT PROPERTY FROM, I THINK IT WAS THE FRIEND THAT USED TO LIVE THERE, NOW HE WANTS TO TURN A COMMERCIAL. MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER, UH, I'VE LOST CO MR WHAT WAS THE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT FROM COMMISSIONER S SIPES? UH, IT, IT WAS BASICALLY, I, I WAS TRYING TO GET HIS, UM, HIS FEELING ON, ON SINCE HIS HOUSE. IS THAT THE NORTHERN PART THAT THE CONCERN WAS NOT AS GREAT ON THE SOUTHERN PART BECAUSE THAT WAS ALREADY COMMERCIAL AND THAT'S NOT WHERE HIS HOUSE WAS. HIS, HIS HOUSE IS AT THE NORTHERN PART OF THE LOT, BUT IT WOULD BE, IF WE REZONE IT WOULD BE DIRECTLY ACROSS AND FACING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ACROSS FROM HIS HOUSE. IF, IF I'M MAKING ANY SENSE, SENSE, THAT WAS QUESTION TO THE, SO I THINK I, I WAS JUST TO GET CLARIFICATION. YEAH. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AND, AND VICE CHAIR S SIPES. I THINK, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR SYS, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES LEFT IN YOUR QUESTIONING, SIR. AND, AND I, I, THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALL I HAD. THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. LONGORIA? ALRIGHT, SEEING AND HEARING NONE, MR. LONGORIA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME SIR. THANK YOU ALL. ALRIGHT, UH, AND STAFF, IS THERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES SIR. WE HAVE TWO, UH, VOICEMAILS FOR YOU COMING RIGHT UP. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. MICHAEL, THIS IS SUSAN MADDOX, THIS IS CONCERNING CASE Z 2 0 2 0 1 0 7 0 0 1 9 2. I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE MY DISAPPROVAL FOR THIS BEING ZONE COMMERCIAL. THIS IS [01:05:01] A RESIDENTIAL AREA. I KNOW WE'RE ONLY TWO BLOCKS LONG, BUT WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE TRAFFIC ON THIS STREET THAN WE HAVE AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT PROPERTY WHERE THAT MAN BOUGHT IT WAS ZONED TO BE IN THE FLOOD ZONE. SO I DO NOT THINK WE NEED ANYTHING ON THERE, UH, AS OF, OTHER THAN MAYBE A HOME. THANK YOU STAFF. ARE WE WAITING ON ONE MORE VOICEMAIL OR IS THAT IT? I BELIEVE THAT'S IT ON THAT ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT MR. MONROE? YOUR REBUTTAL? UM, YES SIR, I'M HERE. UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK I'VE TRIED TO ANSWER, YOU KNOW, AS TO WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AND, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF BUILDING, PROFESSIONAL BUILDING THAT I'M TRYING TO, UH, CONSTRUCT, UH, WILL NOT IMPACT, YOU KNOW, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS NOT ACCURATE, UH, CONCERNING ME WANTING TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A BUSINESS. I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN THE PROCESS TO BUILD AN OFFICE SPACE, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO EVEN IF, UM, MISS LONGORIA, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS DREAMS IS TO BUILD A HOUSE IN THE CENTER OF THIS PROPERTY, WELL THAT PUTS EVEN A BIGGER BUFFER BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET, UH, TO MY PROPERTY. SO, UM, AND AGAIN, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADVOCACY ABOUT ME BUILDING AN OFFICE. UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS, THEY ARE SET IN THEIR WAYS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND, AND ANYTIME THERE'S CHANGE THEY'RE GONNA BE OPPOSITION. UM, I, YOU KNOW, AND I'M WELL AWARE OF THAT AND SO I'M READY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD TO TAKE IT TO A VOTE WHICHEVER WAY. UH, BUT I STILL, UM, IN ORDER FOR ME TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, BUY PROPERTY SOMEWHERE ELSE, WELL OF COURSE I DON'T HAVE A FULL BANK ACCOUNT THAT I CAN JUST UP AND SPEND $150,000 OR WHATEVER FOR PROPERTY ANYWHERE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS MY, MY GOALS, YOU KNOW, MY LIFELONG GOAL TO OWN MY OWN BUSINESS AND SO FORTH. AND, YOU KNOW, I AM A DISABLED VETERAN, UM, SO WE COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THAT TYPE OF STUFF, BUT THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUSINESS AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. THANK YOU MR. MONROE. THAT IS, THAT IS YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS DISTRICT MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIR? YES. I'M SORRY. THE INTERRUPTION. UH, WE, WE DID HAVE TWO MORE VOICEMAILS. THEY WERE MISPLACED IN A DIFFERENT FOLDER. OKAY. SO WE'D LIKE TO PLAY THOSE FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. THANK YOU. PLEASE DO SO, YES, I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO, UH, REZONE CASE Z 2020 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 1 92. UH, THIS IS ELVA SANCHEZ. THE ADDRESS IS 2 4 3 GROVE ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 0. UM, WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL REZONING, UH, AREA AT 100 BLOCK OF GROVE AND IT'S LOT C DASH THREE. AND WE WERE HOPING TO EXPRESS OUR DISSATISFACTION WITH THIS BECOMING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW IT, THERE ARE VERY FEW NEIGHBORHOODS ON EAST SIDE OF TOWN THAT CAN START HAVING A FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AREA WITH ACTUAL HOUSES IN ACREAGE, UH, WOODED AREA, PLAY AREA. AND IT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE COMANCHE PARK, WHICH IS OFF OF THE [01:10:01] COM AREA FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND IT WOULD, THE PROP COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YOU PROBABLY INCREASED TRAFFIC OF VEHICLES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT NORMALLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHO, UH, WE HAVE A CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN THAT IT'S BECOMING INCREASINGLY MORE POPULATED, WHICH IS GOOD. WE HAVE MORE FAMILIES MOVING INTO OUR AREA. UM, I KNOW THAT IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IT MIGHT BE CONVENIENT FOR DOCTOR'S OFFICES OR EVEN FOR SMALL STORES OR SOMETHING. BUT IT WOULD STILL CREATE UNWANTED AND UNFAMILIAR, UH, TRAFFIC IN A SMALL COMMUNITY WHERE WE CAN STILL HAVE WALKING OUR DOGS IN THE AREA. WE STILL HAVE CHILDREN RIDING THEIR BIKES AND WE HAVE, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE RELAXING IN THEIR YARDS AND WOULD WANT SOME PRIVACY THAT WOULD BE INCREASINGLY, UH, VERY, UM, CHANGED QUITE A BIT BY PEOPLE WHO WERE LOST OR SWIMMING DOWN OUR STREETS. AND JUST BECAUSE THE PARK IS, MY NAME IS LEI GONZALEZ, MY ADDRESS IS 1 7 0 GROVE DRIVE. UH, CASE NUMBER IS Z 2020 DASH 0 7 0 1 92. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE A MESSAGE TO OPPOSE, UM, ANY COMMERCIAL, UM, ACTIVITY OR ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE, UM, ACROSS THE STREET. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS. UM, IT IS PEACEFUL AT THIS TIME. UM, IF THE GENTLEMAN HAD WANTED TO BUILD OR CHANGE IT TO COMMERCIAL, HE COULD HAVE BOUGHT ANOTHER COMMERCIAL, UM, PROPERTY, UM, THAT IS JUST GOING TO BE BRINGING A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO THIS COMMUNITY OR TO THE STREET. UM, WE DON'T WANNA LOOK ACROSS AND SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE FIELD THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW OR A RESIDENTIAL. UM, AND AGAIN, HE COULD HAVE BROUGHT IN, BROUGHT ANY OTHER PROPERTY. UH, BESIDES THAT WE DO LOVE OUR COMMUNITY, OUR STREET, THE WAY IT IS. UM, WE DON'T WANNA LOOK AT UH, ANYTHING OTHER. AND RIGHT NOW THEY DO STILL, THEY JUST BOUGHT IT AND THEY HAVE A MESS. SO THE MESS THAT THEY HAVE, WELL THE MESS THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW IS I COULD JUST IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE LATER. UM, SO IF YOU PLEASE, PLEASE WE ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA, WE DO OPPOSE THAT THIS WOULD BE TURNED INTO A COMMERCIAL. UH, LOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE. SO COMMISSIONER JONES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOUR QUESTIONS. UH, YES. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, UH, STAFF WAS GOING TO SEE IF THEY COULD, IF THAT IS OKAY TO, UH, FOR, UH, IF THEY CAN DO THAT WITHOUT A REAPPLICATION FOR THE UH, O TWO INSTEAD OF, UH, WHAT WAS IT, C THREE. ALRIGHT. STAFF. SO IS THAT IN RANGE? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER AND CHAIR THAT IT IS IN THE RANGE. HOWEVER, THE O TWO IS NOT GOING TO MEET THE, MEET HIS NEEDS IN ORDER FOR HIM TO HAVE HIS USE. HE'S BASICALLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HIS USE UNDER O TWO O TWO FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW IS HIGH RISE OFFICE. IT ALLOWS UNLIMITED HEIGHT AND UH, THE O TWO DISTRICT IS ONLY ALLOWED AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A PRIMARY OR PRINCIPAL OFFICE USE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU SEE O TWO HIGH-RISE OFFICE IS LIKE A DE IT WOULD HAVE A DELI ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF A HIGH-RISE TOWER, THAT KIND OF THING. SO THIS IS COMPLETELY NOT WHAT MR. MONROE WAS DOING. OKAY. AND 'CAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO GET I THINK THE 8,000 UH, SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. HE HAS ENOUGH LAND FOR THE BUFFER AND HE'S MADE QUITE A FEW ACCOMMODATIONS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULDN'T SEE, UH, IS, IS OH ONE, UM, COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT HE IS REQUESTING. A CONTRACTOR'S OFFICE IS CON IS A CONTRACTOR FACILITY. IT IS NOT A CON AN OFFICE, IT'S NOT A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING LIKE, UH, WHERE YOU GO, UH, TO GET YOUR EYES CHECKED OR WHERE YOU GO TO MAYBE DO YOUR TAX, UH, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING. THIS IS, THAT IS NOT WHAT MR. MONROE'S USE IS. WE UNDERSTAND. HE SAYS HE'S [01:15:01] GOING TO HAVE AN OFFICE IN THE BUILDING, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HIS USE IS. HIS USE IS A CONTRACTOR. HE OFFERS CONTRACTING SERVICES TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. OKAY. BECAUSE FROM WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, WE TALKED WITH THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE THAT WE COULDN'T FIND A ADEQUATE AND, AND APPARENTLY HE'S BEEN ON THE PHONE BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE ZONING CHANGE FOR, FOR HIS, FOR HIS REQUEST. AND, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA, I MEAN I THINK WE'VE POSTPONED THIS TWICE ALREADY. WE JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET A, UH, ZONING REQUEST CHANGE THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT HE NEEDS THAT WILL SATISFY THE NEIGHBORS. AS I RECALL, THERE WERE TWO OPTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, ONE OF WHICH WAS C ONE CD, WHICH WOULD ALLOW A CONTRACTOR FACILITY, HOWEVER THAT LIMITED HIS, THE BUILDING SIZE. RIGHT. AND SO THE LAST WE SPOKE TO HIM, HE WAS LOOKING AT C TWO CD, UH, FOR A CONTRACTOR FACILITY BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT LIMIT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, AND THOSE OPTIONS HAVE BEEN OFFERED TO HIM ALL ALONG BY STAFF. UH, HOWEVER, IT, THE STAFF STILL RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND IT IS COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OPPOSED TO. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE AND THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. THANK YOU. SO, UM, TO, UH, MR. MONROE, SO WHEN YOU, UM, PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, UM, DID YOU PURCHASE IT AWARE THAT IT WAS, UH, RESIDENTIAL LOT? IN THE BEGINNING? I THOUGHT THE LOT BECAUSE THE COMMERCIAL, UH, SIGN SHOP THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT DOOR IN THE BEGINNING I THOUGHT, UH, BECAUSE THE SIGN SHOP OWNER, UH, USED TO BE, UH, PART OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY. SO I JUST TOOK, UH, AT THE BEGINNING I TOOK FOR GRANTED IT WAS COMMERCIAL AND THEN ONCE I ENTERED THE PROCESS I FOUND OUT IT WAS ZONED R FIVE I THINK IT WAS, AND, AND WHICH WAS STILL, I KNEW I HAD TO GO THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PROPERTY WAS LAID OUT AND THERE WAS NO, YOU KNOW, HARDLY NO RESIDENTIAL, UM, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY THAT I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE WITH GETTING A REZONING BASED ON WHAT IT WAS I WAS TRYING TO DO. SO FOR AND DID YOU FOUND IT WAS RESIDENTIAL? SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE YOU FINALIZED THE SALE, YOU FOUND OUT IT WAS RESIDENTIAL? YEAH. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. I, UM, UH, NEXT, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE ENTRANCE ON, UM, FACING RIGSBY. SO, UM, IS THAT, LIKE, IS THE SIGN SHOP OR THE CHURCH GONNA GIVE YOU ENTRANCE FROM THEIRS? FROM RIGSBY? NO, JUST THE ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING AFTER YOU GET ON THE PROPERTY. OH, OKAY. THE ENTRANCE WILL STILL BE, UH, GROVE ROAD, BUT CLOSE TO RIGSBY RIGHT NEXT TO THE SIGN SHOP. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR TRUCK AND TRAILER, YOU WERE GONNA PARK IT LIKE IN A GARAGE. YOU WOULD HAVE LIKE A, UM, I GUESS ONE OF THE ROLLING GARAGE DOORS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, UM, IS THAT, IS THAT STILL THE CASE? YES, YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND, AND HOW, HOW MANY, UH, SQUARE FEET, UM, IS YOUR BUILDING? UM, IN THE LATEST ITERATION? UM, ROUGHLY 8,000 SQUARE FEET. 8,000. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES. AND UM, SO STAFF, SO THE, LOOKING AT THE, I'M STILL WONDERING WHY WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE ZONINGS 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT JUST HAS TO BE C TWO, BUT I'M GONNA TRY. OKAY, SO WITH THE TRUCK AND THE TRAILER AND THE 8,000 SQUARE FOOT IS OH ONE, UH, POSSIBLE? NO MA'AM. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. AND, AND EVEN IN THOSE DISTRICTS OUT DISPLAY OR SALE OF MERCHANDISE IS PROHIBITED. SO DOESN'T WORK. SO, UH, IS IT BECAUSE [01:20:01] OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE TRAILER OR, UH, HELP ME, UM, WHAT, WHAT ITS SPECIFICS, UH, TO THOSE ITEMS. SO THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE CONDITIONS IS IF THEY, IF HE DOES A C TWO CD, WHICH IS WHERE HE WAS THE LAST WE SPOKE TO HIM UNTIL WE HEARD AT THE MEETING THAT HE WAS CHANGING HIS RECO REQUEST YET AGAIN TO OH TWO. UH, SO BECAUSE OF C TWO WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE CD, THEN THERE COULD BE CONDITIONS ON THE ACTIVITIES ON THE PROPERTY, AND THE C TWO DOES ALLOW THE LARGER BUILDING SIZE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MONTAN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN. MR. MONROE IS PROPOSING THE BUILDING SITE IS ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THAT LOT, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN STAFF IS THAT HIS ENT ENTIRE, WHAT HE ENTIRELY OWNS, BECAUSE IF I GO TO B A I SEE TWO OWNERS TO WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS, UNLESS BCAS NOT UP TO DATE YET. SO THE, SO THE NORTHERN PART OF THAT LOT, WHICH WHICH IS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS, IS OWNED BY WHAT BEHEAD IS SAYING, IS OWNED BY SOMEONE BY THE NAME OF NI RIO. SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE ON THAT LOT HE'S PROPOSING HIS SITE OR HE IS PROPOSING HIS BILL. PERHAPS THAT'S A CLARIFICATION FOR THE APPLICANT, MA'AM. WELL, IS WHY ARE YOU, WHY, OKAY. WHY IS, I GUESS STAFF YOU'RE SHOWING THE ENTIRE OKAY. IT, IT, WE DO NEED CLARIFICATION. OKAY. UM, LEMME ASK YOU MR. MONROE, IF I LOOK AT BCA, YOUR PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM MR. LONGORIA ONLY, BUT STAFF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT OR NOT. STAFF HAS PUT UP A LOTS, A LOT SITE THAT COVERS MR. LONGORIA AND FOUR OTHER HOMES. IS, IS THAT CORRECT OR INCORRECT? THAT IS NOT CORRECT. AND REFERRING TO AT BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THIS SLIDE THERE, UM, MY PROPERTY, END OF MY PROPERTY GOING NORTH WOULD BE RIGHT, RIGHT AT THE END OF, UM, MR. LONGORIA'S, UM, PROPERTY. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY STAFF HASN'T CORRECTED THAT, BECAUSE THEN THAT AFFECTS THE QUESTION THAT MS. THE COMMISSIONER S SIPES WAS ASKING BECAUSE, AND YOU ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU ARE BUILDING ACROSS FROM MORE THAN ONE RESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU ARE NOT BUILDING, YOU ARE ONLY BUILDING ACROSS FROM MR. LONGORIA'S SITE. THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. MONROE. NOW, I, I THINK WE HAVE THAT ALL CLEAR UP, HOPEFULLY, BECAUSE THAT, THOSE ARE IMPORTANT. WHAT, WHAT IS THE TYPE OF, WHAT IS THE, THE LAND THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH? IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT. AND I I WE'VE GOTTEN THAT WRONG ALL THIS TIME. SO, MR. MONROE, HOW MANY, HOW FAR BACK FROM THE ROAD OF GROVE ROAD IS YOUR, IS YOUR BUILDING SITE? UH, DO YOU KNOW THAT THE BUILDING SITE IS GONNA, IT'S GOING TO BE THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE AT LEAST 30 FEET FROM GROVE? WELL, ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT, I'LL BE ABOUT 30 FEET FROM THE FENCE. AND FENCE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT ANOTHER SIX FEET, SIX TO 10 FEET FROM GROVE ROAD. SO ROUGHLY APPROXIMATELY 40 FEET. 40 FEET. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN NEXT TO YOU IS, IS STILL VACANT TRACTS, SO A VACANT TRACT OF LAND AS WE GO FURTHER NORTH ON GROVE ROAD, LIKE ANOTHER TWO ACRES. OKAY. AND THEN YOU WERE PROPOSING THAT YOUR BUILDING ENTRANCE BE CLOSEST TO THE SIGN SHOP FENCE LINE, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO NOW THAT DOESN'T AFFECT MR. LONGORIA'S LIVING IN A SENSE OF COMING AND GOING BECAUSE HIS HOUSE IS ON THE NORTHERN END, NOT ON THE END THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. ALRIGHT. OKAY. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A A LITTLE MORE FAIR TO THIS DISCUSSION [01:25:01] HERE THAN, THAN THE SITE PLAN THAT, THAT, UM, STAFF HAS PUT UP. AND, UH, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION. AND ANOTHER CLARIFICATION, IF YOU LET ME, ANOTHER CLARIFICATION TO THE DESIGN OF MY BUILDING. THEY WILL NOT BE DIFFERENT OFFICES ALONG THE FACE OF THE BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE GO IN THAT ALL THE OFFICES IS GONNA BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING WILL BE FACING GROVE ROAD. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, UH, RIGSBY. YES. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN, THE BUILDING. YES. I SEE THAT ON YOUR SIDE. AND I THINK THAT'S A, A VERY NICE ACCOMMODATION, UH, THAT YOU PLANNED. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? I SEE NONE. UH, COMMISSIONER JONES TO YOU FOR A MOTION? YES, I, UH, IN, IN LIGHT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE KNOW, AND I'VE, I'VE HEARD THE, UM, THE, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND I THINK MR. MONROE HAS TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. THERE'S A PRETTY LARGE BUFFER. THERE'S PARKING AND THE FENCE AND ALL THAT. SO I AM MOVING, UH, TO, UH, TO, UH, FOR CD, I MEAN C TWO CD, UM, UH, FOR, FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS ZONING CASE. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE. WELL, LET ME CLARIFY SOMETHING REALLY QUICKLY, MR. MONROE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT ON YOUR PART. ARE YOU OKAY WITH AN AMENDMENT FOR C TWO C D? YES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I SECOND A MOTION. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS SECONDS, THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS C TWO C D DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER JONES? I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. OTHER COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ROME? UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, I, I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION. I WISH WE COULD FIND A WAY FOR THIS TO WORK, BUT I DON'T SEE IT WORKING ON THE STREET. WE ARE PUTTING C THREE, I KNOW WE'RE CALLING IT C TWO CD, BUT IT'S CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE SAME THING DIRECTLY ACROSS A FAIRLY NARROW STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL HOMES. IT DOESN'T MATTER EXACTLY WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS OR THAT TO ME, THAT THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE MOST MISMATCHED LAND USES I COULD THINK OF. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL. PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS DENIAL, AND WE HEARD FROM FIVE HOMEOWNERS ON THE STREET, AND THERE AREN'T ALL THAT MANY HOMEOWNERS ON THE STREET. UH, SO I, I DEFINITELY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS RESPECTFULLY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROME. I SAW COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, MY COLLEAGUE PRETTY MUCH STATED EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GONNA SAY. I, I CANNOT SUPPORT BRINGING ANY WHAT IS A HEAVY COMMERCIAL USE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, UH, NAMED AS OFFICE SPACE. BUT STILL, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE A TRUCK THERE WITH TRAILER PARKING IN AND OUT. THERE IS NO WAY TO ENFORCE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, AND I, IT WASN'T VERY CLEAR WHAT THE CONDITIONS WERE WITH THAT AMENDMENT, BUT, UM, I, I JUST WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UH, VICE-CHAIR SIPES. I WILL ALSO NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR THE REASONS PREVIOUSLY STATED, UM, BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. UM, IT, IT'S, WE ARE INTERJECTING COMMERCIAL INTO THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET. UM, IT'S NOT AT THE CORNER. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE BLOCK. UM, AND IT, IT MAY SOUND LIKE A LOT LIKE, OH, WELL, THEY HAVE A BUFFER. THERE'S A BUFFER BETWEEN THE BUILDING ITSELF AND, AND, AND THE, THE, THE NEIGHBOR. BUT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW I LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AT MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND THEY ARE, THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE IS 40 FEET BEHIND THE STREET. AND SO I KIND OF IMAGINE, WHAT IF THAT WAS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING? I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANNA SEE RIGHT OUTSIDE THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE. UM, AND I SEE, OR AS MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, PLENTY OF NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION. SO IN THAT CASE, IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT FIT. AND SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WELL. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR SIPES. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS DISCUSSION? [01:30:03] UM, I THINK MY HOUSE AND COMMISSIONER S SIPES, YOUR HOUSE WHERE IT'S LOCATED IS NOT IN RURAL AREA. THIS IS RURAL, CONSIDERED RURAL. UM, I THINK THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS DONE A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE IT SO THAT THE, IT IS A VERY LOW IMPACT. I DON'T THINK C WHERE STAFF HAS REALLY TOLD US WHAT ADVERSE IMPACT THERE WOULD BE. THERE ALREADY IS A SIGN SHOP, PRETTY BIG IMPACT. THERE'S ALREADY A, A SITE THERE WITH, UH, MATERIALS STORED. MR. LONGORIA HASN'T EVEN TAKEN THE TIME TO MAKE IT PRIVATIZED SO THAT NOTHING BLOWS INTO HIS YARD. UM, SO I THINK HE'S, HE'S BEEN OKAY WITH THAT. THESE ARE RURAL TRACKS OF LAND. R FIVES ARE VERY LARGE TRACKS. THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE BETWEEN EVERYBODY THAT IT ACCOMMODATES BOTH I C AND I, ONE I C THREE A, C ONE A, C TWO ALL AROUND AND R FIVES. SO I THINK WE'RE, THE COMPANIONSHIP THERE IS WORKABLE. HE'S ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF HIS LOT WHERE IT WOULD GIVE THE LEAST IMPACT. IT WON'T EVEN IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS DOWN THE STREET AS FAR AS ACROSS. BUT THESE ARE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, UH, BETWEEN OUR BUSINESSES, OUR CHURCHES, AND OUR, OUR HOUSING. WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME, MIXED NEIGHBORHOODS. AND I THINK THAT YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD PARTNER HERE. C TWO CD IS NOT C THREE, IT IS ONLY REQUIRED ON THAT PARTICULAR APPLICANT'S REQUEST. ONCE, ONCE SOMETHING ELSE CHANGES, THAT CD HAS TO CHANGE AS WELL. I'M FOR THE PROJECT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DIBBS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM APPLICANT'S COMMISSIONER MAGEE? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS INDEED A SHORT BLOCK AND, UM, I KNOW THEY SAID IT'S RURAL, BUT I RUN HERE ALL THE TIME. IT'S URBAN . IT'S JUST THAT WE HAPPEN TO HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF, UM, KIND OF SORTA, IT'S RIGHT OFF OF RIGSBY, SO KIND OF SORTA, YOU COULD PRETEND LIKE IT'S, UM, RURAL, BUT NOT REALLY BECAUSE IT'S LIKE RIGHT WHEN YOU TURN OFF OF A BUSY STREET, UH, RIGSBY. SO, UM, TO ME IT FEELS LIKE ENCROACHMENT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK. AND I ALSO THINK, WOW, WHAT IF IT GETS SOLD? SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE OF WHAT COULD, UM, GO COMMERCIALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEIGHBOR. SO I, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCGEE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF C TWO C D BY COMMISSIONER JONES WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GRAU? NO. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KATH? YES. COMMISSIONER? WE? NO. DR. ROMERO? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE. UM, YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. VICE. UH, EXCUSE ME. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? NO. VICE CHAIR SAFE? NO. CHAIR BUSANTE? NO. MOTION FAILED. ALRIGHT. UM, AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION TWICE, BEFORE AT LEAST. UM, IS THERE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION AND AS A POINT OF INFORMATION STAFF, IF IT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION REPEATEDLY, UH, AND THERE IS NOT APPROVAL WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ITEM? CORRECT. SO IF, UH, IT, AT THIS POINT IT CAN JUST, UH, MOVE FORWARD FOR, FOR LACK OF A MOTION, UH, JUST THE WAY IT WAS, OR THERE CAN BE A MOTION BY THE, UH, OPPOSING SIDE, UH, FOR RECONSIDERATION AND, AND ANOTHER MOTION. OKAY. SO GIVEN THAT INFORMATION, IS THERE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION FROM ANYONE WHO OPPOSED THIS APPLICATION? I HEAR NONE. UH, THIS ITEM FAILS FOR LACK OF A, A MOTION. UH, AT THIS POINT I'M GONNA ASK THAT WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. [01:35:01] WE'VE BEEN GOING FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO HOURS DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES FROM THE WORK SESSION. UH, I'M COUNTING THAT TIME NOW. SO IT IS CURRENTLY 2 34. UH, WE WILL STAND IN RECESS, UH, UNTIL 2 39. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE LIVE. AND LORIANNE IS GOING TO START WITH ITEM EIGHT NOW. VERY GOOD. ITEM EIGHT. GO AHEAD MR. CHAIR. I WAS JUST GONNA JUST MARK FOR THE RECORD THAT IT IS 2 41 AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. THANK YOU. [8. 20-7421 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700242 HL (Council District 2)] ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO RE JONES FROM AE TWO TO AE TWO HL. UM, AND THIS IS LOCATED AT 4 0 3 MONTANA STREET, 40. NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO OR RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ONE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM ALAMO GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS IN SUPPORT ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2020. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PROPERTY AT 4 0 3 MONTANA ON OCTOBER 8TH, 2020. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED RESOLUTION 2020 DASH TEN EIGHT FORTY FIVE R INITIATING A CHANGE IN ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY TO INCLUDE A HISTORIC LANDMARK OVERLAY AS A STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS, A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION WAS REQUIRED FROM THE H C R C ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2020. THE H C R C RECOMMENDED DESIGNATION, JEFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, AND O H C IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. AND MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE THIS MAY LOOK, UH, FAMILIAR TO SOME OF YOU. THERE WAS A, UH, MAPPING ALIGNMENT ISSUE. IT'S JUST A KIND OF FLUKE THING THAT HAPPENED. AND SO THE COMM, THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION BEFORE, UM, THE, THE MAPS WAS UPDATED AND NEW NOTICES WERE SENT. AND, AND THAT CASE WAS REPUBLISHED AS IS REQUIRED PER PUBLIC, UH, PER STATE LAW. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IN CASE SOMEBODY WAS SAYING, HEY, HAVEN'T WE ALREADY LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE? OKAY. THANK YOU STUFF. UM, ALRIGHT. AND, AND THIS WAS, OR THE SIMILAR CASE WITH THE ERROR WAS DIS UH, WAS DISCUSSED AND DETERMINED AT THE DECEMBER 15TH MEETING OR SO. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? SO WE DID TRY TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY OWN, EXCUSE ME. UH, THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IS AVAILABLE. I'LL LET THEM GO AHEAD AND, AND ADDRESS, ADDRESS IT NOW. THANK YOU, DR. HAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, I'M JENNY HAY. UH, IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU. UM, I'M THE SCOUT, A PROGRAM MANAGER FOR O H P. UM, AND I'M HERE WITH THIS CASE. UM, TODAY I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF BECAUSE I, I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT, SO PLEASE DO, UM, UH, FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS. UM, IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, UH, OBVIOUSLY HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. UM, I DID SEND A PRESENTATION, SO, UM, IF YOU COULD PULL THAT UP AND PUT IT ON SLIDE ONE, UM, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. SO THIS CASE ACTUALLY IS BEFORE YOU, UM, AS, UH, A RESULT OF DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL WHO HAS, UM, ASKED STAFF TO INITIATE THE DESIGNATION PROCESS. UM, IF YOU'LL GO ONTO SLIDE TWO, UH, THIS PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 0 3 MONTANA IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY QUEEN AND STYLE RESIDENCE. IT WAS BUILT IN 1897 FOR NICHOLAS LEE PETRICK OF THE PET AUER LUMBER COMPANY. UM, IT WAS DESIGNED BY FREDERICK BOWEN, GAINES GLEN. UM, AS STATED, IT'S LOCATED IN THE OME GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WITHIN THE COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO. OKAY, IF YOU'LL GO ON TO SLIDE THREE. SO, UH, JUST A BRIEF, UM, CASE HISTORY FOR YOU HERE. UH, AFTER O H P RECEIVED A DEMOLITION APPLICATION IN LATE 2019, UM, STAFF RESEARCHED THE STRUCTURE AND DETERMINED THAT IT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. UM, THE REQUEST FOR A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WAS HEARD BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2020. H D R C AGREED THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS ELIGIBLE AND ACT CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE DESIGNATION. UM, THEY APPROVED THAT RESOLUTION IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR. THE CASE, UM, WENT BACK TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION SPECIFICALLY ON THE DESIGNATION IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. AND, UH, WE ARE STOPPING HERE WITH YOU TODAY FOR YOU TO CONSIDER [01:40:01] THE CASE BEFORE IT GOES ON TO CITY COUNCIL LATER THIS WEEK. UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS OPPOSED TO THE DESIGNATION. UM, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROPERTY MAY ACTUALLY BE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SOLD. WE'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY SOMEONE WHO'S IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS THE BUYER, UM, WITHIN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, BUT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO CONFIRM WHETHER THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE YET OR NOT. UM, IF YOU'LL GO ONTO SLIDE FOUR PLEASE. SO THE H D R C EVALUATED THE PROPERTY FOR ELIGIBILITY UNDER U D C SECTION 35 6 0 7 B. THERE ARE 16 CRITERIA LISTED THERE, AND IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE AS A LANDMARK, THE PROPERTY HAS TO MEET THREE OF THEM. UM, THE H D R C FELT LIKE IT MET FOUR. UM, CRITERION NUMBER THREE FOR ITS AFFILIATION WITH MR. PETRICH, THE FOUNDER AND FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE PET SAUER LUMBER COMPANY. CRITERION NUMBER FOUR, AS EARLY EXAMPLE OF THE WORK OF PROMINENT LOCAL ARCHITECT FREDERICK GAINESVILLE. UM, SEVERAL OF HIS OTHER STRUCTURES ARE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES, CRITERIA NUMBER FIVE AS A FINE EXAMPLE OF A QUEEN AND STYLE RESIDENCE. AND, UM, LASTLY, NUMBER 13, BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION WITHIN, UM, A, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, HISTORICALLY KNOWN AS HISTORIC GARDENS, UH, WHICH, UH, HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS STAFF AS A, UM, POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL GO ON TO SLIDE FIVE. UM, AS WE'VE UH MENTIONED HERE, THE CASE HISTORY, THE, UM, H D R C HAS RECOMMENDED DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY AND STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. SO, UH, AGAIN, I'M HERE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. DR. HAY, UH, STAFF, DO WE HAVE THE APP, I'M SORRY, THE HOMEOWNER, EXCUSE ME. WE HAVE, UH, REACHED OUT TO THE HOMEOWNER AND THEY HAVE, UH, STATED THAT THEY DO NOT WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LIVE MEETING. OKAY. IS THERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS CASE? OKAY. UH, DR. HAY, I'M GONNA ASSUME YOU DON'T WANT REBUTTAL AT THAT POINT. I THINK THAT'S JUST FINE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DR. HICK. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER JONES. UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, WE'VE, UH, DONE THIS CASE BEFORE. UM, AND, UM, I THINK IT'S THE SAME SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. IT QUALIFIES FOR THE, UH, HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UH, SO I'M MAKING A MOTION FOR VOTE. OKAY. UH, IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? SECOND MCDANIEL. OKAY. ALRIGHT, UH, AND SINCE WE DID GET A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING THE MOTION? I SEE NONE. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. COMMITTEE. UH, YES. SORRY, CHAIR. UH, IS IT DIFFICULT TO SEE ME WHEN I RAISED MY HAND? I, I DIDN'T SEE YOU, SO I APOLOGIZE. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. SO IF YOU LIKE QUES QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION, UH, DISCUSSION, PLEASE PROCEED. I APOLOGIZE. RIGHT. I THINK THAT WHEN WE COME TO THE POINT OF ALLOWING, UM, CERTAIN, UH, DEPARTMENTS APPROACH CITY COUNCIL FOR LAND THAT THEY DO NOT OWN UNDER THE GUISE OF DESIGNATION, I THINK YOU BORDERLINE THE FIFTH AMENDMENT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY. THIS INDIVIDUAL OWNED THE PROPERTY. HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, HE PAYS TAXES FOR THE PROPERTY. HE HAS NO DESIRE TO FULFILL ANY TYPE HISTORIC RE RESTORATION TO DESIGNATE. IT PUTS A BURDENSOME ON THAT OWNER THAT HE MUST NOW MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT ONCE WAS. THE OWNER HAD TOLD US IT'S ABOUT $400,000 OF A BURDEN ON HIM TO DO THAT. THERE IS NO COMPENSATION TO THIS OWNER. TO REBUILD THAT HOUSE, TO GIVE THEM ANY TYPE OF A TAX CREDIT IS, DOES NOT FALL IN THE DEFINITION OF COMPENSATION. I SEE ANY TYPE OF THESE THINGS THAT COME ALONG, I WILL ALWAYS SPEAK UP ON THEM IN THIS REGARD THAT THIS IS A TAKING OF A PERSON'S PROPERTY THAT IS A VIOLATION TO THE CONSTITUTION'S FIFTH AMENDMENT. THIS THERE WHERE THEY, YOU SHALL HAVE NO PRIVATE PROPERTY BE TAKEN FOR PUBLIC USE. THE ONLY REASON HISTORIC IS WANTING TO DESIGNATE THAT IS FOR PUBLIC USE, NOT FOR THIS INDIVIDUALS. SO THAT'S MY LITTLE SPIEL TODAY ON THE CONSTITUTION OF THE FIFTH AMENDMENT. [01:45:02] THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND COMMISSIONERS, IF FOR SOME REASON I DO NOT SEE YOU, PLEASE JUST SPEAK UP. I AM NOT INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO AVOID CALLING ON ANYONE. I SEE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT BY COMMISSIONER JONES WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE? NO. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? COMMISSIONER WHITE? YEAH. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YEAH. UM, NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SYS? YES. AND CHAIR BUSANTE? AYE. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. EIGHT TO THREE. ALRIGHT, STAFF, IF WE CAN MOVE ON THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE. [3. 21-1052 (Continued from 12/15/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700220 (Council District 3)] NEXT STEP IS ITEM THREE, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM FR TO R FOUR LOCATED AT 43 45 MICKEY ROAD. 11 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ONE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THREE NOTICES IN OPPOSITION WERE RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. UH, SOUTH PENN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER IS OPPOSED, AND STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE PROPOSED R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY AS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING AND IS CONSISTENT WITH ADJACENT ZONING. DISTRICT EXCUSES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT? YES. YES. THIS IS JAMES MCKNIGHT. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, JAMES MCKNIGHT ORTIZ 1 1 2 EAST PECAN. I'M HERE ALSO ON THE LINE WITH, UH, PRISCILLA FLORES AND HECTOR MARTINEZ. THAT IS THE ENGINEER AND THE DEVELOPER RESPECTIVELY. UH, THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. UM, I BELIEVE I EMAILED A PRESENTATION. JUSTIN, IF, IF YOU COULD TELL ME THAT'S UP AND READY TO GO, MR. MCKNIGHT? IT IS UP. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS, UM, AS YOU HEARD, THE PROPERTY IS ON MICKEY ROAD. IT'S CURRENTLY FR WE'RE REQUESTING R FOUR AS YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE TWO. THIS IS A, A, A LARGER AREA VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS NICE, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, TO, TO TRY TO LOCATE THE PROPERTY IN THE GRANDER AREA. THIS IS NEAR I 37, JUST SOUTH OF LOOP FOUR 10. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S, UM, IT'S NEAR I 37, BUT THERE'S JUST, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. SLIDE THREE, THIS IS ZOOMED IN. SO YOU CAN SEE THE PARCEL, UH, AS AN AERIAL SHOT. IT'S 48 ACRES AND IT IS PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT. YOU CAN SEE AN ARROW I POINTED TO AT THE TOP. THAT'S ANOTHER PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, IS ALL ONE PIECE. IT'S 127 ACRES TOTAL. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT 48 ACRES TODAY. UM, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS A, A RELATIVELY UNDEVELOPED AREA. THERE ARE SOME, UM, EXISTING HOMES, UM, BUT, UH, DEVELOPMENT IN, IN THE LARGER REGIONAL CONTEXT IS, IS COMING. SLIDE FOUR PLEASE. SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE ZONING IN THE AREA, FARM AND RANCH FOR THE MOST PART. THERE'S STILL SOME AREAS THAT ARE OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS. THE DEVELOPMENT RESERVED IN THE NORTH, THAT'S PART OF OUR PROPERTY AS WELL. THAT WAS JUST ANNEXED INTO THE, THE CITY. UM, ALSO IT HAD DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LIKE SOME OF THESE OTHER PROPERTIES. UH, SLIDE FIVE PLEASE. THIS IS A MAP OF THE LAND PLAN, THE, THE [01:50:01] HERITAGE SOUTH SECTOR PLAN, SHOWING THAT THIS AREA IS ALL SUBURBAN TIER. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR PURPOSES BECAUSE WHEN IT WAS FIRST ADOPTED, THIS AREA ACTUALLY SHOWED UP AS AGRIBUSINESS TIER, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE THE FARM AND RANCH, UM, DEVELOPMENT RESERVE IN SOME PLACES. BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU'LL SEE DEVELOPMENT IS COMING IN THIS AREA. LARGE AMOUNT OF HOMES IS COMING. UM, THAT'S REFLECTED IN THIS PLAN. THAT SUBURBAN TIER FOR ALL OF THIS AREA IS THE, THE PLAN GOING FORWARD, WHICH ALLOWS R FIVE, R SIX, UM, R FOUR COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY UP TO 18 UNITS. AN AC GO TO SLIDE SIX PLEASE. SO I HAVE, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS SLIDE OR THESE WORDS FROM ME BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR, OUR CASE NOW TO POINT THIS OUT, THAT AS PART OF THE SA TOMORROW PLAN, POPULATION GROWTH IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THE PLANNING. WE KNOW WE ARE EXPECTED TO SEE 1.1 MILLION NEW RESIDENTS, 500,000 NEW JOBS AND 500,000 NEW DWELLING UNITS IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. SO THE CALL WAS THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ANTICIPATE THAT POPULATION GROWTH AND EMPLOYMENT GROWTH. NEXT SLIDE. SLIDE SEVEN. THIS IS A SLIDE ABOUT DENSITY ALSO FROM SA TOMORROW PLAN. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE WAS A STUDY DONE ABOUT FOR THIS PLAN ABOUT WHERE, WHAT DENSITY MEANT FOR THE CITY, AND THAT THERE ISN'T ENOUGH LAND TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE HOMES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD, WHETHER IT BE MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THERE ISN'T ENOUGH LAND. SO INCREASING THE DENSITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE AVERAGE DENSITY OF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE TO REDUCE SOME OF THAT DEMAND FOR LAND. AND WHAT THIS PLAN ALSO SAYS IS THERE IS CAPACITY WITHIN THE COUNTY TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH FORECAST THAT HOWEVER, IT WILL LIKELY REQUIRE INVESTMENT IN CURRENTLY UNDERPERFORMING PARTS OF THE CITY AND DEVELOPMENTS AT SLIGHTLY HIGHER DENSITY. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A, A SINGLE FAMILY PROJECT IN AN AREA THAT HAS NOT SEEN DEVELOPMENT IN THE, IN THE DIRECT AREA, ALTHOUGH YOU, YOU DO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. GO TO SLIDE EIGHT. THIS IS ANOTHER PART OF, OF WHY WE HAVE ISSUES WITH GROWTH, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, THIS IS A MAP OF THE TOYOTA PLANT AND THE THREE MILE BUFFER THAT WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IN IT. THIS IS A BIG PART OF WHY WE'RE, WE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF CAPACITY TO PUT HOMES, WHETHER IT BE SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY. OUR PROPERTY IS JUST OFF THE MAP TO THE EAST, BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW LARGE AN AREA THIS IS AND THE BURDEN THAT IT PLACES ON PEOPLE TRYING TO BUILD HOMES. IT, IT'S, IT'S A REAL ISSUE. AND, UM, THIS IS PART OF WHY WE HAVE TO FIND PLACES TO PUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE MOVING TO THE CITY. SLIDE NUMBER NINE. SO AS PART OF THAT PLANNING PROCESS, WE ARE LAYING OUT THIS, UM, MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU KNOW, THIS IS PART OF THE PLANNING THAT YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE NEW HOMES COMING IN. UM, THIS IS, UH, PAGE OR SLIDE 10 JUST SHOWS THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH OF OUR ZONED PROPERTY. BUT, UH, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT ON SLIDE NINE, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS 48 ACRES. THE RED BOX IS THE 48 ACRES OUT OF 127 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S 200, ABOUT 223 LOTS. THAT'S A DENSITY OF 4.6 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THIS IS NOT A HIGH DENSITY AREA. THE R FOUR IS, IS NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE TYPE OF HOME THAT THIS MARKET WILL BEAR. IT'S, IT'S THE KIND OF HOMES THAT ARE BEING, THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR, THAT PEOPLE NEED. THERE. IT IS A SPECIFIC PRICE RANGE. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE R FOUR COMES IN. BUT WE HAVE DONE THE PLANNING PROCESS. WE HAVE A, A SECTOR PLAN THAT TELLS US WHAT OUR UNDERLYING LAND USE SHOULD BE OR WHAT THE ZONING SHOULD BE. AND NOW WE HAVE THIS PLANNING PROCESS THAT LOOKS AT DRAINAGE, THAT LOOKS AT ROADS, THAT LOOKS AT THESE DENSITY. AND THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED. SO I JUST WANT YOU, EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT BY MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES IN THE CITY. UH, IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE 11, PLEASE. THIS IS SHOWING, UM, A MAP OF THE PROPERTY, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THAT BECAUSE OF THE CITY LIMITS AND THE LARGE LOTS IN THE AREA, THE, THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE WITHIN 200 FEET OF US ARE FAIRLY LIMITED. THEY'RE LARGE LOTS. UM, IT'S NOT A LARGE AREA. IT'S NOT A A A, A HUGE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT'S BEING AFFECTED BY THIS. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE NATURE OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. BUT THE, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DID COME TOGETHER. UH, THERE WAS, THERE WERE A LOT OF TALKS BETWEEN THE ENGINEER, THE DEVELOPER AND FOLKS IN THIS AREA. AND THEY ACTUALLY FORMED A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGISTERED WITH THE CITY BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT. SO THEY GALVANIZED TO FORM A, A, A REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. [01:55:01] AND WE'VE HAD TALKS WITH THEM. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER MCGEE HAS ATTENDED SOME OF THOSE. UH, IT WAS BEFORE I WAS INVOLVED, BUT I, I'VE BEEN TOLD ABOUT WHAT TOOK PLACE THERE. I ALSO, THERE WAS, WAS GIVEN THE, THE LIST OF QUESTIONS, CONCERNS FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, THE ANSWERS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THEM. SO TO GO TO SLIDE 12, THIS IS NOT AT ALL AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, BUT IT GETS TO THE HEART OF THE CONCERNS OF THESE NEIGHBORS. THE FIRST IS DRAINAGE AND FLOODING. THIS IS, WE SEE THIS A LOT, BUT IT'S, IT, IT'S A SIMPLE CALCULATION IN THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE STORM WATER MANUAL TO DRAIN OFF OF OUR SITE ANY MORE THAN WHAT'S ON OUR SITE ROUND. WE CANNOT, UM, INCREASE THE, THIS DRAINAGE OR FLOODING IN OUR AREA. AND SO BY CODE, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. BUT AFTER TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE ACTUALLY DECREASED THE RUNOFF. WE'VE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF RETENTION OR DETENTION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING, AND THAT'S IN A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SECOND CONCERN THEY HAD IS, IS ABOUT DENSITY. UNDERSTOOD. WE KNOW THAT THIS AREA IS, IS VERY, UM, IT'S SPARSE, IT'S LARGE, LOTS AS IT IS, BUT AGAIN, POPULATION GROWTH AND WHERE TO PUT THESE HOMES IS A BIG QUESTION IN THIS CITY. SOMETIMES YOU GET CASES LIKE THIS WHERE YOU MIGHT BE THE FIRST IN THIS AREA, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND, BUT WE HAVE THE PLAN IN OUR, OUR FAVOR THAT SET THAT SHOWS THAT THE FUTURE PLANNING FOR THIS AREA WAS FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL. AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE AN M V P THAT WAS, LIKE I SAID, REVIEWED BY THE CITY TO HELP US WITH, WITH THAT REVIEW. UM, LARGE POPULATIONS NEEDING HOME PRICE IN THE $200,000 RANGE. THIS IS, WE, THERE WAS A, A PRESENTATION JUST LAST WEEK FOR THE HOUSING FORECAST FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR, A REALLY IMPORTANT PRESENTATION FOR THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY. AND ONE THING THAT STUCK OUT WITH ME THAT THIS GENTLEMAN PRESENTED WAS THAT NO OTHER MARKET, UM, IS PROVIDING WHAT SAN ANTONIO CAN PROVIDE, WHICH IS A DOUBLE DIGIT PERCENTAGE OF HOMES IN THE 200,000 AND BELOW RANGE. THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE IN SAN ANTONIO RIGHT NOW IS 288,000. NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD 288,000. WE HAVE A LARGE POPULATION THAT NEEDS HOMES THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLY PRICED, AND OUR MARKET CAN PROVIDE THAT AS LONG AS WE CAN DO THINGS LIKE THIS, WHICH IS FIND THESE AREAS OF LAND AND DEVELOP THEM PROPERLY. THE LAST THING IS THE TRAFFIC. AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN FULLY VETTED. UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A T I A THAT'LL BE INVOLVED WITH IT, BUT SO THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT BY STAFF. BUT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE AGREED TO WIDEN MICKEY ROAD, UM, OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, SO NOT IN FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT FROM, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ALL THE WAY TO BLUEING ROAD, WE'VE AGREED TO EXPAND THAT RIGHT OF WAY. UM, YOU GO TO SLIDE 13, I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER LIST, UH, THAT I WANNA SHOW. THAT IS, THAT'S THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE MOVED ON AND, UH, UM, CONCEDED ON AS WE'VE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I KNOW WE'VE NOT MADE THEM COMPLETELY HAPPY, BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, THAT EXPANSION OF, OF MICKEY ROAD, UH, ALL THE WAY UP TO BLUE WING ROAD. UM, THE EXPANSION OF MICKEY ROAD IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY AND INCLUDING A LEFT TURN LANE, UH, GOING EAST TO TURN INTO THE SUBDIVISION. THE ADDITIONAL LEFT TURN LANE AT BLUEING ROAD WAS ACTUALLY PART OF IT. SO I WON'T INCLUDE THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL INSTALLATION AT SOUTH PRESA AND US 2 81 AND A BIG ONE, CLEANING OUT THE, THE EXISTING CULVERTS THAT MICKEY WROTE AND BLUEING WROTE. WE'VE AGREED THAT THERE IS GOING TO STILL BE OFF OUR SITE AS THERE WAS PREVIOUS TO US DEVELOPING IT. UM, BUT IT CAUSES PROBLEMS WITH THOSE CULVERTS AND WE WILL CLEAN THOSE OUT. WE'VE AGREED THAT, AGREED TO THAT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AS I SAID BEFORE, WE'VE OVERSIZED OUR DETENTION POND. SO THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE, WE HAVE BEEN LISTENING. I KNOW THERE, THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR SOME OF THEM TODAY, BUT WANTED A CHANCE TO REALLY PRESENT THE PROJECT HAS BEEN CONTINUED A FEW TIMES WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION. UM, LET ALL THE COMMISSIONERS SEE IT, LET THE, THE, THE RESIDENTS SPEAK, UM, AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. SO I'LL RESERVE SOME TIME FOR REBUTTAL, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR ME FOR NOW. THANK YOU MR. MCKNIGHT, UM, STAFF, IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. WE HAVE FIVE VOICEMAILS DISPLAY. VERY GOOD. IF WE COULD DO THAT COMING RIGHT UP. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS GRACE ALVARADO. I LIVE AT 1 1 2 1 4 BLUE WING ROAD. I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO AGENDA NUMBER THREE, CASE NUMBER Z 20 21 0 7 0 0 2 2 0. I'M CALLING TO ASK FOR A POSTPONEMENT OF THE MEETING. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE OUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH A DEVELOPER [02:00:01] WITH OUR CONCERNS OF FLOODING AND THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSES IN THE COMMUNITY. AGAIN, MY NAME IS GRACE ALVARADO. MY NUMBER IS 2 1 0 3 1 6 2 8 5 3. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, I AM JESSE GARZA AT 39 26 MICKEY ROAD, AND MY HOME PHONE IS AREA CODE TWO ONE OH SIX THREE THREE NINETY ONE FIFTY NINE FIFTY EIGHT. CALLING REGARDS TO AN AGENDA NUMBER THREE, CASE NUMBER Z DASH 2 0 2 0 7 0 2 2. THE R FOUR REZONING ON MI ROAD. I AM OPPOSING THE R FOUR ZONING REQUEST MADE BY THE DEVELOPER FOR PROPOSAL OF THE SUBDIVISION GLUING TRAILS WITH AMENDMENTS FROM FOUR R FOUR TO BE CHANGED TO R FIVE OR R SIX. OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS AMENDMENT IS WITH BROOK CITY BASE, BRINGING IN ON 100 100,000 PLUS HIGHER PAY SCALE INCOME EMPLOYEES. THIS WILL BE NEED BUYERS TO PURCHASE UPSKILL HOMES AND WILL BE BE CLIMB AND TRAFFIC DOWN TO A MINIMUM. WE ARE CURRENTLY HAVE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ATTRACT THE FIRST TIME BUYERS, AND THIS ONE DOES NOT JUSTIFY ANOTHER R FOUR REZONING. THANK YOU. BYE. GOOD MORNING. I AM LOIS GARZA. I'M, I'M AT 39 26 MICKEY ROAD. MY NUMBER IS 2 1 0 6 3 3 9 1 5 8. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO AGENDA NUMBER THREE, CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 2 0 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 2 2. THE R FOUR REZONING ON NIKKI ROAD. I'M OPPOSING THE R FOUR REZONING REQUESTS MADE BY THE DEVELOPER FOR THE PURPOSE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION BLUEING TRAILS. WE, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SUBMIT A, AN AMENDMENT FROM AN R FOUR TO BE CHANGED TO AN R FIVE OR R SIX. UM, OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS AMENDMENT IS WITH BROOKS CITY BASED BRINGING IN HIGHER PAY STILL INCOME EMPLOYEES. THIS WILL ENTICE BUYERS TO PURCHASE UP STILL HOMES AND WILL KEEP CRYING THE TRAFFIC DOWN TO A MINIMUM. WE CURRENTLY HAVE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ATTRACT FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AND DOES NOT, THIS DOES NOT QUALIFY OR JUSTIFY FOR ANOTHER R FOUR REZONING. SO AGAIN, I AM, UM, OPPOSING THE R FOUR REZONING AND WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE, HAVE THAT CHANGED TO AN R FIVE OR AN R SIX. AND AGAIN, THIS IS LOIS GARZA, 39 26 MICKEY ROAD. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS MARSHA FITZSIMMONS AND I LIVE AT 4 4 5 0 ICK ROAD AND I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND WHO BOTH LIVE HERE. WE ARE ADDRESSING ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER 2 2 0 AT THE END OF THAT CASE NUMBER. AND WE WANT TO VERY STRONGLY OPPOSE TO THIS REZONING REQUEST TO OUR FOUR FROM FARM AND RANCH. THIS HISTORIC QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY BEING SMOTHERED BY THREE OTHER FIRST TIME HOMEOWNER COMMUNITIES WITHIN ONE MILE OF ITS LOCATION, AND AT LEAST THREE OTHERS, POSSIBLY MORE WITHIN FIVE MILES OF IT. WE DO NOT NEED OR WANT ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE CITY DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO PREVENT MULTIPLE BUILDING PROJECTS OF THE SAME TYPE BEING BUILT IN OUR AREA. WITHOUT MAJOR CHANGES BEING MADE BY THE CITY, POSSIBLY BUYING UP MORE LAND, OUR STREETS ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THE LOAD OF 876 MORE HOMES. THANK YOU. UH, HELLO. THIS IS ROME HEZIE. MY ADDRESS IS 4 3 8 9 NIKKI ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. WE HAVE AGENDA NUMBER THREE. UH, I AM THE COMMUNICATION LIAISON FOR THE SOUTH BEND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND WE ARE, UH, PROTESTING THIS ZONING AND WE WANTED THE ZONING MEETING POSTPONED. UH, WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH A DEVELOPER. THEY HAVE NOT, UH, SEVERAL TIMES THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RESPOND TO OUR, UH, LAST RESPONSE TO THEIR RESPONSE, THE REBUTTAL TO THEIR RESPONSE. UM, WE HAVE SEVERAL ISSUES THAT WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT. THEY ARE NOT GIVING US, UH, DRAWINGS OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING [02:05:01] ON WIDENING THE ROADS, UH, ON THE DRAINAGE ISSUES, HAVING THE SUBDIVISION ON THE, UH, HILLTOP UP HERE, UH, 850 HOMES INTO ADDED TO OUR, UH, COUNTRY COMMUNITY. UM, AND THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN BACK WITH THIS ON THE FLOODING ISSUES THAT WE ALL ARE CONCERNED OF IN THIS COMMUNITY, IN THIS ASSOCIATION. UH, THIS IS A FLOOD ZONE AREA ANYWAY. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY THAT IS IN FLOOD ZONE AND THEY ARE NOT PUTTING IN REGIONAL, UH, PONDS TO ADDRESS THE WATER RUNOFF THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. SMALL CREEKS AND RETENTION PONDS, BUT THEY ARE NOT INCORPORATING THAT INTO THEIR DRAWING AND THEY HAVE NOT REBUTTAL. UH, OUR CONCERN, UM, THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS ROMEL EY, THE COMMUNICATION LIAISON WITH SOUTH COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. AND, UH, WE WANT TO KNOW TO POSTPONE THIS ZONING MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NUMBER IS 2 1 0 3 3 2 7 5 4 5. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, SEEING THAT THERE'S NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, AND THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE. UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE, I'M SORRY, EXCUSE ME. UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY REBUTTAL? YES, I DO. UM, I JUST WANNA COVER A FEW ITEMS, UM, IN RESPONSE TO, WE HEAR THIS A LOT FROM APARTMENTS AND FROM SMALLER LOT NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THAT THERE ARE ALREADY ENOUGH FIRST TIME BUYERS IN THE AREA OR THAT THEY DON'T NEED MORE OF THIS. AND I WOULD SAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T, THOSE RESIDENTS DON'T NEED THIS, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO MARKET TO AND, AND SELL HOMES TO. UM, THIS, AS FAR AS THE STREETS NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC, THAT IS A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE THAT IS VETTED FULLY THROUGH THE CITY. UM, WE, THE M D P CAN'T BE APPROVED WITHOUT ENOUGH, UM, INPUT ON OUR SIDE FOR THE DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THEY NEED TO, BUT ALSO IT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO SEE WHERE THE GROWTH IS HAPPENING AND PUT MONEY TOWARDS THAT. IT'S NOT COMPLETELY ON THE DEVELOPER. UM, HAVING RESPONDED TO THEIR REQUEST. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO NOTE THIS PART. I MEAN, THERE HAS BEEN A BACK AND FORTH, UM, IN BOTH, UH, VIRTUALLY, BUT ALSO ON PAPER. THEY GOT THEIR LAST RESPONSE TO US ON FRIDAY AND WE JUST HAVEN'T FULLY VETTED ALL OF THE RESPONSES TO THEM BY, YOU KNOW, TUESDAY MORNING. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE HAVEN'T FULLY RESPONDED TO ALL OF THOSE. BUT A LOT OF THEM, I WILL SAY WERE SIMILAR QUESTIONS TO THEIR FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS, LIKE, WHAT ABOUT THE DRAINAGE? AND THAT'S THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS WE'VE BEEN TOLD WE HAVEN'T PRO PROVIDED ENOUGH REGIONAL DETENTION. AGAIN, THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE THAT IS, I I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO DIRECTLY. WE HAVE AN ENGINEER ON THE PHONE IF YOU WANT TO ASK HER QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOES THROUGH THE CITY, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REVIEWING, UM, THE STORMWATER MANUALS AND HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION OUR DETENTION AND RETENTION PROPERLY, THEY'RE DOING THAT. SO, UM, WE HAVE ANSWERED A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE GOT A FEW OF THE SAME QUESTIONS BACK. UM, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE NOT FULLY RESPONDED TO THEIR LAST ROUND. THANK YOU MR. MCKNIGHT. UM, NOW I'M READY, UH, TO GO TO COMMISSIONER MCGEE AS THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. YES. UM, WE'VE SPENT, UM, QUITE A FEW, UM, CALLS AND CORRESPONDENCE ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. AND SO, UM, VERY, UH, GLAD TO HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERS WHO NOW, AS WE JUST SAID, HAVE FORMED A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THROUGH THIS, UH, PROCESS. AND, UM, I GUESS, UM, BROWN AND ORTIZ JUST PICKED THIS CASE UP, UH, LAST WEEK. SO I DO HAVE, UM, SOME QUESTIONS. UM, SO, UH, MR. MCKNIGHT, CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN, UH, WHAT IS THE RANGE FOR THE PRICE OF THESE HOMES? YEAH, ACTUALLY I HAVE THE AVERAGE PRICE AS, UH, AROUND 200,000. BUT, UH, PRISCILLA WAS THERE, UH, A LARGER RANGE. PRISCILLA IS OUR ENGINEER. YES. I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, BETWEEN 180 AND TWO 20. 180 AND TWO 20. THANK YOU. HELLO EVERYONE. THIS IS HECTOR, THE DEVELOPER. YES, 180 TO MAYBE TWO 50 OR ONE 70 TO TWO 50. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, SO CAN WE ELABORATE, UM, A BIT ON THE, UH, REGIONAL, UH, [02:10:01] RETENTION PONDS AND WELL ELABORATE ON WHAT HAS PROGRESSED FOR THE DRAINAGE, UM, OVER THE PROCESS OF THIS, UM, CONVERSATION AND ALSO SPECIFIC TO THEIR, UH, CORRESPONDENCE ON FRIDAY ABOUT THE REGIONAL RETENTION PONDS. SURE. PRIS. YEAH. SO IN REGARDS TO THE REGIONAL DETENTION, SO THERE IS, YOU'RE A LITTLE LOW. IS THAT, IS THAT PRISCILLA? I THINK YOU'RE LOW. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THERE IS, UM, THERE IS SOME DETEN, THERE IS FLOODING GOING ON, EXISTING FLOODING. THERE ARE FLOOD CLAIMS IN THE AREA AND THERE IS FLOODING OF THE TRIBUTARIES WITHIN THERE. AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT AND AS PART OF OUR DESIGN, WE CANNOT INCREASE OR ADVERSELY IMPACT ANYBODY DOWNSTREAM OF US FOR UP TO 2000 FEET. AND SO AS PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT, WE ARE PROVIDING DETENTION ON THE SITE. SO THE INITIAL DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRST TIME THAT THE CITIZENS IS, WE ARE EXPLAINING TO THEM THAT WE ARE DETAINING FOR THE INCREASE IN RUNOFF, SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 876 HOMES. SO WE ARE, WE ARE REDUCING OUR FLOWS THAT GO INTO THE FLOOD PLAIN. AFTER THE MEETING, THEY WERE STILL CONCERNED AND IN OUR SECOND MEETING WE EXPRESSED TO THEM THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR CONCERNS, WE WILL TRY TO, WHICH WE HAVE AND WE ARE REDESIGNING TO HOLD MORE. IN OTHER WORDS, PROVIDE A LARGER DETENTION POND FOR MORE STORAGE TO REDUCE EVEN MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE COAST. SO WE ARE EXCEEDING THEIR FLOODING CONCERNS. NOW AS FAR AS REGIONAL DETENTION, REGIONAL MEANS IT'S MASS MULTIPLE PROPERTIES THAT SHOULD BE PART OF A CITY REQUIREMENT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. WE, IN REGARDS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, ARE OVER DETAINING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO REDUCE THE FLOW GOING TO THE FLOODPLAINS IN ITS AREA. SO REGIONALLY WE CANNOT CREATE A REGIONAL DETENTION POND BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CITY REQUIREMENT. BUT SPECIFICALLY TO THE SITE, WE ARE OVER THE SCENE. AND THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE EXPRESSING TO THEM TO LAST PUBLIC COMMENT MEETING, WHICH THEY CAME AHEAD AND EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERN IN THIS PREVIOUS, UH, RESPONSE THAT WE GOT ON FRIDAY. BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME ANSWER. WE ARE DOING AS MUCH DETENTION AS POSSIBLE ON OUR SITE TO DECREASE THE FLOWS GOING TO THE FLOOD. OKAY. AND, AND SO, UH, I BELIEVE AT ONE OF, I THINK MAYBE THE LAST VIRTUAL MEETING, SO YOU HAD A CITY ENGINEER PRESIDENT, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THE ENGINEERS ARE IN FACT REVIEWING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WOULD NOT, UM, INCREASE THE DRAINAGE TO, UM, ANY OTHER PROPERTIES BY THE CITY? THAT IS CORRECT. AS PART OF OUR PLATING PROCESS, THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY HAS TO REVIEW OUR DESIGN, HAS TO REVIEW, OUR MODEL HAS TO VERIFY THAT WE ARE NOT ADVERSELY IMPACTING ANYBODY DOWNSTREAM OF US, AND THAT WE ARE NOT INCREASING ANY FLOWS INTO THE FLOOD PLAIN. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO VERIFY THROUGH, UM, THE PLOTTING AND PERMITTING PROCESS. PERMIT PROCESS. OKAY. SO NOW TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE TRAFFIC, UM, CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW, UM, YOU ALL ARE, UH, TRYING TO ADDRESS, UH, SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS PLEASE. SO INITIALLY THEIR TRAFFIC CONCERNS WERE FOR MICKEY ROAD. THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS, UM, THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION LIVE OFF OF MICKEY ROAD. MICKEY ROAD IS A, UM, CURRENTLY IT'S ONLY 30 FEET RIGHT AWAY AND IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY AND WITH SOME AREAS THAT ARE ABOUT 17 FEET WIDE OF PAVEMENT, 20 FEET WIDE OF PAVEMENT. BUT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT. THERE'S NO CURB OUT THERE, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK. THERE'S, UH, VERY, VERY LITTLE BARGES, IF ANY, AND THERE'S A, A LOW WATER CROSSING. SO THEIR CONCERN WAS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO GET TWO CARS TO PASS. SO WHAT WE DID IS LOOK AT THEIR CONCERN AND WE, AND AS THE DEVELOPER, HE HAS DECIDED TO WIDEN THE ROAD WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY TO TWO 11 [02:15:01] FOOT TRAVEL LANE. SO AT THE PART OF THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT, IT'LL BE WIDENING AT LEAST TWO FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF MICKEY ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THOSE TWO 11 FOOT TRAVEL LANES FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY TO LUING ROAD. SO THIS IS NOT JUST FOR A CERTAIN SECTION, JUST ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE, UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS GOES ALL THE WAY FURTHER PAST THE PROPERTY TOWARDS MIC ROAD SO THAT IT ACCOMMODATES EVERYONE THAT'S TRAVELING ONTO MICKEY. ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE PROVIDING LEFT TURN LANES ONTO THE MAIN AND ING ROAD AND A LEFT TURN LANE OFF OF MICKEY ROAD. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA. SO WE PROVIDED THE LEFT LANE HAVE BOTH THE ONE ON BLUE LINK WAS REQUIRED BASED ON REVIEW FROM, UH, THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT FROM THE T I A DEPARTMENT AS PART OF THE NM P P PROCESS. AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING THAT WITH PHASE ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. AND THE TRAFFIC LIGHT BEFORE WE CONTINUE TO THAT ONE, I KIND OF WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE TRAFFIC FOR MICKEY. UM, ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS ON MICKEY ROAD WITH TRAFFIC LIGHTS AS WELL WAS THERE'S A FLOODING, THERE'S A LOW WATER CROSSING THERE THAT THE PEOPLE THE EAST OF THAT, UH, LOW WATER CROSSING CAN'T GET A, CAN'T GET ACROSS. THE PART OF THE UNIT ONE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE TO BUILD A BRIDGE WITHIN THE UNIT ONE SUBDIVISION, WHICH MEANS THAT THOSE RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO ENTER BLUE WING SUBDIVISION, GO CROSS THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION, CROSS A BRIDGE, AND THEN BE ABLE TO ACCESS ROAD, WHICH BASICALLY GIVES THEM A SECONDARY OR AT FIRST UN FLOODED ACCESS AREA. SO THAT WE JUST WANTED TO ADD, AND WE EXPRESSED THAT TO THEM, WHAT, WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR FLOODING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UM, THERE IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS NOT WARRANTED AT PRESTA AND US 81 FRONTAGE ROAD BASED ON THE TRAFFIC MA MODEL AND THE STUDY PROVIDED. HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION, WHICH WILL BE EVENTUALLY PHONED BY . BUT THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT AS AN ADDED EXTRA TRAFFIC CONCERN THAT THEY NEED. IT'S NOT IF YOU WERE, WHEN WE DID OUR WARRANT STUDY, IT'S NOT WARRANTED, BUT WITH THE COORDINATION OF TEXT IN THE CITY, THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE PROVIDING A, UH, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, SO, UH, OUR, UM, SCOPE OUR PURVIEW AS THE ZONE COMMISSION IS LAND USE, BUT I DID JUST HEAR, UM, MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS ASK, I MEAN, UM, MENTIONED THAT AT, UM, THE FACT THAT FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS OR PERHAPS PEOPLE BUYING HOMES THAT COST 170,000 TO 220,000, UH, COULD, COULD POTENTIALLY RISE, UH, THE CRIME RATES IN THE AREA. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING EITHER TO STAFF OR TO MR. MCKNIGHT, IS THERE ANY STUDIES THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT SHOW THAT FIRST HOME HOME BUYERS OR PEOPLE BUYING HOMES THAT ARE 170,000 TO 220,000 BRING MORE CRIME TO THE AREA? YOU? THAT'S AN EASY ANSWER FOR ME. NO, I DO NOT HAVE ANY STUDIES OR, OR I'M AWARE OF ANY ONE, TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, BUS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCGEE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? THANK YOU. UM, UH, SO QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS IF YOU'RE THERE. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION. SO AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY REZONING 45 ACRES AND ON THE 45 ACRES YOU WOULD BE, UH, DEVELOPING 876 HOMES. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, NO MA'AM. THE, IT'S 48 ACRES TODAY, AND ON THAT 48 ACRES IS ABOUT 220. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN WILL THE UHHUH, THE 876 IS FOR THE ENTIRE M D P AS IT'S BEEN APPROVED, AND THAT'S FOR 173 ACRES. OKAY. SO YOU'RE JUST IN THE PROCESS OF THAT. OKAY. AND THESE ARE ALL, THESE ARE ALL, UH, 4,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. THERE'S NOT ANY THAT WILL BE LARGER. THERE'S SOME VARIATION IN SOME PLACES, BUT BY YES, [02:20:01] THE MAJORITY IS THE, UH, 4,000, UM, TO 4,400 SQUARE FEET. OKAY. SO, UM, SO TODAY THEN, YOUR T I A IS REALLY BASED UPON 220 HOMES, NOT AN ACTUAL 876 HOMES. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. NO, THE T I A, NO, THE T I A IS FROM THE ENTIRE M D P. IT'S ALL 876. ALL RIGHT. UM, , TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, JAMES, AND I'M SORRY WE DIDN'T GET TO TALK AHEAD OF TIME, BUT YOU KNOW THAT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING AND IN SUCH HIGH DENSITIES, I ALWAYS POINT OUT TO YOU, UH, THAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THESE COMMUNITIES AND HAVE A PLACE FOR THE CHILDREN TO PLAY WHEN WE STARTED DEVELOPING THESE VERY TIGHTLY DENSE, UH, COMMUNITIES. AND I KNOW AS A REALTOR, 'CAUSE I'M DRIVING THEM EVERY DAY, WE HAVE NO ROOM IN THE STREETS. WE HAVE NO YARDS FOR KIDS TO PLAY IN. SO IT IS, UH, REALLY, I THINK IMPORTANT THAT THE DEVELOPERS BE AWARE OF THIS AND THINK OF A, OF A PLACE FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND BE A COMMUNITY AND NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, KIDS DODGING CARS IN THE STREET AS THEY'RE TRYING TO PASS. UM, SO I WANNA JUST GET THAT MESSAGE TO YOU AND TO THE DEVELOPER, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE, UM, MICKEY ROAD. YES, YES. AND I WILL, I DO, I'M, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT REALLY QUICKLY. WE DO HAVE A FEW PARKS AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, A $1.5 MILLION AMENITY CENTER. THANK YOU. THAT WAS, UH, THAT'S GOOD NEWS TO HEAR. UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT JUST THE ROAD WIDTH OUT THERE THAT IS A NARROW, IT'S JUST AN OLD COUNTRY ROAD, COUNTY ROAD THAT THE CITY PICKED UP. UM, AND I JUST WANNA GO ON RECORD AS STATING THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ALL ON THE DEVELOPER, IT'S ON THE CITY. IT'S ON THE COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY ELSE TO DECIDE HOW THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE WITH SUCH MASSIVE GROWTH, WE'RE GONNA FIND OURSELVES IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT IN THAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC LEVEL AS WE EXPONENTIALLY GROW HERE, THERE ARE NO BOND PROJECTS CURRENTLY PASSED FOR THAT. THERE AREN'T ANY THAT I'M AWARE OF MAKING THE BOOKS BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER NEEDS AHEAD OF IT. SO THAT'S JUST A CONCERN THAT I WANNA THROW OUT TO MY COLLEAGUES TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT. UM, AS A REALTOR WITH CLIENTS IN THAT, UM, AREA OF UNDER 200,000, $200,000, IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT SEARCH. WHAT I'M ALSO GONNA TELL YOU AS I'M TAKING MY CLIENTS TO THESE PROJECTS, THEY'RE ASKING WHY THESE HOUSES ARE STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. AND SOME OF THESE HOUSES HAVE ONE PARKING PAD, NO GARAGES. SO I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOUR DEVELOPER IS, BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THAT WOULD BE A RUB FOR ME BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA SEE A THOUSAND HOMES SITTING OUT THERE WITH ONLY ONE PARKING PAD AND EVERYBODY ELSE TRYING TO FIND A PLACE ON THE STREET. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. AND IF I MAY, UH, RESPOND TO THAT REALLY QUICKLY SURE. THAT THE, THE, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT. UH, THIS IS, UH, BELLA VISTA HOMES, THEY'VE HEARD THAT AS WELL. AND IN RESPONSE TO THAT, ALL OF THE HOMES ARE TWO CAR GARAGES. GREAT. GOOD NEWS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, JAMES, WHO'S THE, WHO WILL BE THE BUILDER OF THE HOUSES, THIS IS BELLA VISTA HOMES. BELLA VISTA. OKAY. WHAT WOULD THAT BE? COMPARE THAT TO SOMETHING. I KNOW , UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UM, IS THAT LIKE A DR. HORTON, WOULD THAT BE I, MAYBE LENNAR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE THIRD LARGEST BUILDER IN, IN, UH, HOUSTON. OH. OH, OKAY. MY, MY APOLOGIES IF I DON'T KNOW THEM. UH, SO THEY'RE ON, IT'S ON 4,000 SQUARE FOOT LAND AND YOU'RE PUTTING A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THERE. SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE SETBACK THEN FROM THE CURB? DO YOU KNOW? I, I DON'T, BUT I BELIEVE, UM, ALL R FOUR IS 20 FEET. OKAY. SO THE, THAT'S THE STANDARD. AND THEN THE SIDEWALK IS, IS PROBABLY BUILT ALONGSIDE THE CURB. THERE'S, THERE'S NO GRASS EASEMENT BETWEEN CURB AND SIDEWALK. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE ARE KIND OF ON TOP OF THAT STREET AS, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL'S CONCERN. UM, SO THEN HOW, WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE? LIV LIVABLE? THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF IS, UH, AROUND 1800 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S THE AVERAGE. SO, OKAY, SO IT WOULD BE UNDER 18? YEAH, THE RANGE IS, YEAH, 1400, UH, SQUARE FEET TO UP TO 2,700 SQUARE FEET. OH, 14 TO 27 [02:25:01] ON 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND. OKAY. AND, UH, , I'M SORRY. UH, YOU, A LOT OF TIMES YOU JUST HAVE LESS YARD. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT. YEAH. LIKE A DOG, DOG RUN IN THE BACK. UM, RIGHT. ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH OTHER DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE, THERE, UH, NO. H E B IT'S OVER RIGHT NEAR 10. SO YOU GOT WHAT, I MEAN, TRUCK STOPS TO GO RUN AND GET MILK. ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT ANY OF THAT? NO, I, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A LOT OF THOSE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS ALL OVER THE CITY WHERE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD A MORE AFFORDABLE PRODUCT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE RIGHT NEXT TO ALL THE AMENITIES. THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL RAISE THAT PRICE. UM, BUT WE, THIS IS ALSO, WE BELIEVE A CATALYST FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. WE SEE THIS AREA AS ONE OF THOSE THAT IS, IS LOOKING TO EXPAND RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE ROOFTOPS IS WHAT BRINGS THE COMMERCIAL TO IT. WHAT'S THE NEAREST SCHOOL? UM, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. . I DON'T KNOW. I, I CAN GET YOU THAT ANSWER. OKAY. UH, WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD OF SOME OF THE, I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY TIME IS IF I HAD ONE ON, UM, JUST REAL QUICK, WHAT, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD OF THESE? I THINK IF THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT, UH, CRIME, IT, IT MAY BE MORE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE TYPE OF HOUSES GO INTO, UH, RENTAL STATUS, UH, AND RENTAL STATUS COULD MEAN ANYTHING FROM, WELL, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT WOULD MEAN, BUT NOT THAT RENTERS ARE CRIME, BUT YOU CAN, IT'S HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF WHO GETS RENTED AT HOUSES. WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD? I DON'T KNOW. YOU CAN'T REALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I'M JUST TALKING. ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER MCGEE. SORRY, I GET CONFUSED BETWEEN THE TWO COMPUTER MICE. . ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, I, UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, COMMEND, UM, THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE GOTTEN TO, UH, MEET THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, PROCESS. AND I REALLY, UM, DEFINITELY APPLAUD THEM IN THEIR ATTENTIVENESS AND THEIR, UH, PERSISTENCE AND THEIR, UH, BEING ENGAGED. I ALSO CONGRATULATE THEM ON THEIR FORMATION OF THEIR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I HOPE THAT IT CONTINUES TO, UM, FOSTER, UM, A SENSE OF, UM, CONNECTEDNESS AND, UH, UNIFIED, UH, VOICE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, DEFINITELY, AS YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD, THIS HAS BEEN A, UM, UH, NOT A LONG PROCESS, BUT A SEMI LONG PROCESS BECAUSE OF, UM, AND, AND IT'S, AND IT'S BEEN GREAT BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE GOTTEN MORE, UH, DEFINITIONS ON THE PROJECT, UH, CLARITY ON THE PROJECT. AND AS YOU'VE HEARD, UM, IMPROVEMENTS AND, UH, CONCESSIONS. I, UM, DEFINITELY, UM, THINK ABOUT THE NEED FOR, UM, NOT JUST SAN ANTONIO IN GENERAL, THE HOUSING, UH, NEED, BUT ALSO, UM, TOYOTA, UM, THE, AND THE, THE, UM, SUPPLIERS IN THAT AREA AND THE NEED FOR, UM, HOUSING. THE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IS CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY PLAN. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPER HAS DONE. UM, LIKE EVEN BEYOND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY, LIKE WIDENING THE ROAD, EVEN OUTSIDE OF, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, BUILDING THE BRIDGE, UM, WORKING HARDER ON, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS ARE DEFINITELY VERY, VERY CONCERNED WITH THE EXISTING FLOODING THAT IS THERE AND WORKING HARDER TO GO BEYOND, UM, WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THEM, UH, FOR THE CITY, FROM THE CITY UM, THE IMPROVEMENT OF NOW INCLUDING TWO CAR GARAGES, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THE BRIDGE, I APPRECIATE THE PARKS AND THE, UM, AMENITY, UH, CENTER. NOW, I BELIEVE THERE'S PROBABLY STILL SOME, UM, THINGS THAT COULD STILL BE WORKED OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS, AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THERE'S STILL PROB, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE'S A ABOUT A MONTH UNTIL IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. IS THAT CORRECT? STAFF? AM I, AM I MISTAKEN [02:30:04] STAFF? NO. THAT, THAT SHOULD BE CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT AND PROBABLY MORE THINGS CAN BE WORKED OUT BETWEEN, UM, THE NEW SOUTH AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE DEVELOPER BETWEEN NOW AND, UM, CITY COUNCIL. MAYBE THEY'LL EVEN GET SOME R FIVE LOTS OUT OF IT. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON THE FLOOR, UH, BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUE. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? I APPRECIATE, UH, EVERYTHING COMMISSIONER MCGEE HAD POINTED OUT, AND I THINK THOSE ARE ALL CORRECT. UM, BUT I DO THINK IT'S A VERY LARGE PROJECT WITH A LARGE IMPACT TO THOSE WHO ARE EXISTING AND SURROUNDING, WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONTINUANCE ON IT SO THAT THEY HAVE MORE OF A DISCUSSION AND THE DEVELOPER CAN HEAR WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE ARE AND PROBABLY ADJUST THOSE CHANGES. IF WE GO DIRECTLY TO APPROVING IT, THEY'RE KIND OF OUT OF THE PICTURE AT THIS POINT. IT GOES OVER TO CITY COUNCIL AND THAT HAD A DISCUSSION FOR THEM. WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THEM, AND I JUST THINK IT, THEY NEED A LITTLE MORE INPUT INTO THAT. IT'S A, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN OASIS OUT THERE, SO THEY'RE GONNA NEED THEIR NEIGHBORS RIGHT NOW UNTIL SOME DEVELOPMENT COMES ALONG THE WAY. SO, UM, I I'M ONLY GOING TO NOT APPROVE. I'M GONNA SAY NO, ONLY BECAUSE I, I THINK IT A LONGER DISCUSSION FOR THOSE WHO CALLED IN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AFFORDED, AND I THINK IT CAN WAIT TO ALLOW THAT DISCUSSION. SO I, I'M GONNA NOT SUPPORT IT, BUT I SUPPORT THE PROJECT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER O'NEAL? OKAY. UM, I, I GUESS, UH, TWO THINGS, JUST, JUST FIRST TO COMMISSIONER GIBBONS' POINT. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T HAVE SUPPORTED A CONTINUANCE, BUT THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED SO MANY TIMES AND I, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS TO THE NEIGHBOR'S DISADVANTAGE. BUT, UM, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA NOW BECAUSE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS JUST GOTTEN LEGAL COUNSEL AND SINCE THE NEIGHBORS ARE SUPPORTING A CONTINUANCE, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A BAD IDEA, BUT I ACTUALLY CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, FOR, FOR A BIGGER REASON. IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, IT'S ABOUT, UM, THE PLANNING AND LACK OF PLANNING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR CITY SOUTH WHEN THEY BROUGHT IN ANDRE ANI, AND THAT WAS THIS BIG THING, LIKE, WE ARE GONNA SAVE THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'RE GONNA SAVE THE FARM AND RANCH CULTURE OF OUR CITY. AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINED ABOUT THAT AND, AND THERE WAS SOME JUSTIFICATION FOR PEOPLE SAYING, OH, GREAT, NOW I CAN'T SELL MY FARM, THAT, THAT WAS MY RETIREMENT PLAN. AND, BUT THE CITY SAID, NO, WE'RE GOING, WE HAVE THIS PLAN. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THIS PART OF THE CITY. AND, AND I RESPECTED THAT. AND THEN WE HAD THE SOUTH SIDE INITIATIVE, AND NOW WE HAVE THE HERITAGE SOUTH SECTOR PLAN. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL ABOUT PRESERVING, UM, THIS PART OF THE CITY. NOW. AND AGAIN, I CAN, IF THE ARGUMENT IS, WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE MOVING IN, WE NEED MORE HOUSING, THEN THAT'S FINE. BUT THEN WE NEED A NEW PLAN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA BE CHIPPING AWAY AT THIS PLAN, AND IT'S GONNA BE JUST LIKE HAP HAPPENED IN DISTRICT EIGHT. IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH ANOTHER RANCH GOES FOR WHATEVER, 500, 700 HOMES, UH, WITHOUT A LOT OF PLANNING TO IT. AND I KNOW THAT, UH, STAFF HAS PUT IN, UM, SOME, UH, OBJECTIVES AND GOALS FROM THE HERITAGE SOUTH SECTOR PLAN, BUT SOME OF THEM SEEM TO ARGUE AGAINST THIS. I MEAN, THE ONE IS, UM, PROMOTE CLUSTERED HOUSING, INCLUDING CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT, AND LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENT IN RURAL AREAS. UH, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAYING MORE ABOUT PROMOTING LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENT OR AT LEAST CONSERVATION SUBDIVISIONS. AND THEN IN ANOTHER PART, THEY TALK ABOUT HAVING RESIDENTIAL HOMES MORE RIGHT ALONG THE HIGHWAYS. AND THEN IN ANOTHER PART OF, UH, THE HERITAGE SOUTH SECTOR PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT A GOAL OF PRESERVING AS MUCH AS 25% OF THE FARM AND RANCH LANDS THAT'S IN THE PLAN, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO SUPPORT THAT. SO IF THIS DEMAND IS THERE, AND LIKE MR. MCKNIGHT SAYS, I THINK IT WILL BRING EVEN, EVEN MORE INFRASTRUCTURE. WHAT WERE THE OBJECTIVES THAT WERE EVER IN PLACE TO PRESERVE THE FARM AND RANCH LAND? I MEAN, WAS NOBODY WAS PURSUING, UM, [02:35:01] CONSERVATION EASEMENTS OR, OR THINGS TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO, TO KEEP THE FARM AND RANCH LIFESTYLE. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M WHATEVER PLAN THE CITY WANTS TO GO WITH, I'D BE OPEN TO, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING WITH THE PLAN THEY HAVE, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH JUSTIFICATION FOR ME FOR THAT. AND, AND I, I DO ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORS COMING OUT BECAUSE THEY MADE ME THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WERE THERE AND ARE PRESERVING THAT, THAT CULTURE AND LIFESTYLE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROMEO. UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, UH, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE WITH A SECOND, UH, FROM COMMISSIONER WHEAT ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAM? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE. HI. DR. ROMERO? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. MR. WHITE? YES. MR. MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER GRAU? YES. VICE CHAIR . UM, YES. AND CHAIRMAN BUSANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO THREE. SEVEN TO FOUR. EIGHT TO THREE. EIGHT TO THREE. THANK YOU. UH, I NEED TO STEP ASIDE FOR ONE QUICK SECOND. UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES, IF YOU WOULD HANDLE THIS ITEM. ALRIGHT, ITEM [6. 21-1117 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700132 (Council District 4)] NUMBER SIX. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM FR TO I TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A METAL RECYCLING ENTITY OUTSIDE STORAGE. THIS IS LOCATED AT 19,425 APPLEWHITE ROAD AND SEVEN NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. FOUR WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ONE OTHER NOTICE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. THE, THE CURRENT FR FARM AND RANCH DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED I TWO S IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA AND WOULD ALLOW METAL RECYCLING PURSUANT TO A SITE PLAN. ALTHOUGH THE S SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION SITE PLAN WOULD LIMIT THE SPECIFIC USE OF A METAL RECYCLING TO A SPECIFIC LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD NOT LIMIT USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE I TWO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL BASED ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS THE MOST INTENSE ZONING DISTRICT WITH IS WITHIN THE ZONING MATRIX FR FARM AND RANCH. AND AT M I ONE, FIXED GENERAL INDUSTRIAL EXISTS IN THE AREA AND ARE MORE APPROPRIATE. THE ISSUE IS THAT THE APPLICANTS PROPOSE USES METAL RECYCLING AND HAS OUTDOOR STORAGE. THERE IS NO OTHER CATEGORY OR OPTION TO CONDITION DOWN, SUCH AS INTENSE USE. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL VICE CHAIR. YES. UH, DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE? YES, SPEAKING. ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. UM, IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, YOU CAN LET US HEAR IT, PLEASE. UM, I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION. UM, WE'RE VERY NEW TO THIS, SO I, I WAS NOT SURE WHAT TO EXPECT. UM, THE ONLY THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET PERMISSION TO ZONE OFF A VERY, VERY SMALL AREA OF OUR PROPERTY JUST FOR STORAGE. UM, AS FAR AS THE METAL RECYCLING, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PUBLIC RECYCLING. IT'S BASICALLY ALL IT IS IS JUST TRANSFERRING METAL FROM ONE DUMPSTER TO ANOTHER TO TAKE IT TO A RECYCLING PLANT. UM, WE'RE NOT REALLY, UM, IT'S JUST A VERY PRIVATE AREA, PRIVATE FARM AND RANCH. UM, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST PERMISSION TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO STORE OUR COMPANY VEHICLES AND OUR DUMPSTERS AND TO [02:40:01] DO VERY MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, METAL RECYCLING. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. UM, WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND THEN, UH, GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND, UH, STAFF OR DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. WE HAVE, UH, TWO LIVE CALLERS AND A VOICEMAIL. WE'LL START WITH LORI CHI SHIRE. ARE YOU THERE? LORI STAR SIX TO UNMUTE, IF YOU COULD STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. THANK YOU. I'M HERE. . GO AHEAD MA'AM. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES AND I THINK I HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL. WE'RE PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY, SO YOU MAY NOT SEE IT ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US WHEN YOU'RE READY TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. IS IT ALL RIGHT? IS IT AVAILABLE? IT IS AVAILABLE NOW. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MY NAME IS LORI TJI AND I LIVE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND I'M STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE REZONING. AND NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. FOLLOWING ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS AGO, OUR PROPERTY WAS ZONED M I ONE ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S ZONING MAP. THAT IS A POPULAR DESIGNATION FOR OUR AREA AS IT ALLOWS FOR BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH AGRICULTURE AND RESPECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES NECESSARY FOR RURAL AREAS. THE NEXT TWO SLIDES PLEASE. OTHER COMMON ZONING DESIGNATIONS IN OUR AREA ARE FARMING RANCH OR BUSINESS PARKS. IT'S EXCITING TO SEE POSITIVE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN OUR AREA, LIKE THE WAREHOUSES AND BUSINESS PARKS BEING CONSTRUCTED ALONG APPLE, RIGHT, APPLE WHITE ROAD. UH, THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. IN LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP, AGAIN, IT IS CLEAR THAT THE I TWO SS DESIGNATION IS NOT PRESENT IN OUR AREA OR ANYWHERE WITHIN 17 MILES IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. BY DEFINITION, THAT ZONING IS INTENDED TO BE CLOSE TO EXPRESSWAYS AND MAJOR TRANSPORTATION HUBS DUE TO THE TRAFFIC POLLUTION AND CONGESTION INCURRED WITH THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES. FOR TWO YEARS, WE'VE BEEN SUBJECT TO NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON OUR LAND AND RESOURCES WITH THE CURRENT BUSINESS OPERATING UNPERMITTED AND UNREGULATED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ZONED AS FARM AND RANCH. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE SA TOMORROW LAND USE DEFINITIONS ADOPTED IN 2018 FURTHER SPECIFIED THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS SHOULD BE SEPARATED FROM NON-INDUSTRIAL USES BY AN ALLOWABLE LAND USE OR A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER. THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THERE'S NOTHING TO PROTECT US FROM THE NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENT. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TO THE WATER, LAND, AND AIR NOISE AND LIGHT POLLUTION ARE PRESENT 24 HOURS A DAY WITH HEAVY TRUCKS AND CONTAINERS CONTINUOUSLY BEING EMPTY. THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. FINALLY, THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE ZONING, UM, COMMERCIAL ZONING INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S WEBSITE STATES, BEFORE YOU LEASE A SPACE OR PURCHASE LAND OR BUY A BUILDING, MAKE SURE THE ZONING OF THAT PROPERTY MATCHES THE TYPE OF BUSINESS YOU WANT TO OPERATE ON IT. THE PROPERTY OWNER FAILED TO DO SO AND PURCHASE LAND BUSINESS THAT DOES NOT SUIT THEIR BUSINESS. IT IS NOT INCUMBENT ON THIS BODY TO CORRECT THAT TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THEIR MISTAKE TO RUIN ALL THAT. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS WORKED SO HARD TO PROTECT IN MOVING THE SOUTH SIDE FORWARD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, DOES, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MS. CHII? AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME. NO, THAT WAS CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. LOOK AND SEE, UH, YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. I SEE YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, TO THE APPLICANT, SO THIS IS A FLAGGED LOT. YOU'VE GOT A DRIVE THAT GOES BACK INTO YOUR SUBJECT, SUBJECT TRACT, WHICH IS LESS THAN JUST UNDER AN ACRE. CORRECT? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YEAH. WHAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW. THIS IS THE, UH, THE CALLER, RIGHT? YES. OKAY, BECAUSE YOU, YOU SAID THE APPLICANT. OH, UH, WELL, MY QUESTION IS TO THE APPLICANT. OKAY. UH, WELL THIS, RIGHT NOW, UH, THEY'RE UH, TAKING QUESTIONS FOR YOU CALLER. OH, FOR THE, THE CALLER. I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR HER. . ALRIGHT, WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT HAD A QUESTION FOR THE CALLER? I DON'T SEE ANY. SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE SECOND CALLER. MR. ROOF, ARE YOU THERE? YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUTED AS WELL, SIR. STAR SIX, PLEASE. [02:45:01] OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. I DO AS WELL HAVE A PRESENTATION. THERE ARE SOME SLIDES. OKAY. WE HAVE IT UP FOR YOU, SIR. OKAY. WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START? NOW IS GOOD. OKAY. UH, MY NAME IS NORMAN ROOF. I HAVE 25 ACRES THAT IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. UH, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'VE ACTUALLY VOLUNTEERED TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE, INTO THE CITY WHEN THEY HAD THE LATAN ANNEXATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR CITY'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AND I'M STRONGLY, STRONGLY OPPOSED TO AN I TWO S ZONING. THE I TWO S ZONING IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S MASTER PLAN, OUR LIMITED ON TAXATION AGREEMENT, THE SOUTH SIDE INITIATIVE, THE HERITAGE SOUTH SECTOR, AND NOT CONSISTENT WITH ANY CURRENT LAND USAGE OUT IN THE AREA. THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL LAND HAS BEEN TOYOTA BUSINESS PARKS WAREHOUSES, AND THEY ARE VERY NICE. THEY'VE BEEN, BEEN PERMITTED AND THEY ARE A A A PLUS TO THE AREA AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THEM. SO, BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR FUTURE LAND DEVELOPMENT USAGE TO ENSURE IT FITS WITH THE CITY SOUTH INITIATIVE. THIS PERSON HAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE ANY OF HIS PROPOSED USAGE. HE DOES NOT EVEN HAVE WATER SERVICE. I HAVE 25 ACRES NEXT DOOR, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, IT'LL SHOW THE PROPERTY THAT I HAVE. AND HE HAS, PRIOR TO HIS PURCHASE, THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO TRASH ON THE LAND PRIOR TO HIM PURCHASING IT, PURCHASING IT AFTER HE PURCHASED IT. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, CONTAINERS THAT HOLD WASTE UP TO 40 YARDS PER CONTAINER. HE HAS SEVERAL SEMI TRUCKS THAT HE BRINGS IN WASTE MATERIAL 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. AND YOU CAN CHECK ON HIS WEBSITE AND YOU CAN VERIFY THIS. I ALSO HAVE TWO PONDS THAT ARE WITHIN 200 FEET OF HIS DUMP SITE, I'M GONNA CALL IT THAT. AND MY HOUSE IS ALSO WITHIN 200 FEET OF THIS WASTE MATERIALS. SO I STRONGLY OPPOSE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT, ON THE, IF YOU LOOK ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT MY OPERATION IS. I HAVE THE TWO PONDS, I HAVE LIVESTOCK AND I HAVE A HOUSE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, WE ARE VERY THRILLED TO HAVE THE NEW WAREHOUSES ACROSS FROM THE TOYOTA PLANT, WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD. UH, NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK ON THE NEXT SLIDE, M AND M, STRIPING AND POWER WASHING HAS PUT IN A VERY NICE BUILDING. IT'S A BUSINESS PARK AND IT'S SUITABLE FOR OUR AREA. AND THIS BUSINESS PARK IS WITHIN PROBABLY 300 YARDS OF MY PROPERTY. SO I HAVE GREAT THINGS HAPPENING OUT THERE, AND THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING THAT COULD IMPACT OUR WHOLE AREA. HE'S ASKING FOR LESS THAN ONE ACRE, BUT I HAVE 25 ACRES OTHER PEOPLE DO. AND HE'S GONNA SET A STANDARD HELLO? I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THE LIMIT OF YOUR TIME. OKAY. I'LL GET IT. DO WE, DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ROOF? OH, UM, YES. COMMISSIONER CAYMAN, UH, UH, MR. ROOF? YES. I THINK YOU HAD, UH, APPEARED AT THE, UH, ZONING BOARD DURING THE ANNEXATION. UH, IS THAT RIGHT? IT, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? YOU HAD APPEARED AT THE ZONING? YES, YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND WE TALKED, YEAH, YEAH, WE, I REMEMBER YOU. UH, THAT'S CORRECT. I REMEMBER YOU HAD RAISED THE SAME OBJECTIONS ON A, UH, UH, ON THE HEARING AT THE ZONING. UM, AND I, I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT, UH, THIS, THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED WITH THE CRIPT. THE, UH, YES. IT, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UH, THIS M AND M UH, POWER WASH AND, UH, UH, STRIPING, UH, THEIR WAREHOUSE, HAS THAT AFFECTED ANY OF YOUR PROPERTY AT ALL? NO, NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER. UH, THEIR PLANTING BEAUTIFUL TREES, THEY'VE LANDSCAPED IT. HE'S DOING A WONDERFUL JOB. AND THAT'S WHAT WE ENCOURAGE IN THE AREA AND THAT'S WHAT I'M STRONGLY FOR. AND I CURRENTLY HAVE THE AGRICULTURAL USAGE WHERE I HAVEN'T RAISED THE CATTLE AND LIVESTOCK. [02:50:01] SO, AND YES, I WAS THERE. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER A YEAR, UH, WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL TO TRY TO GET THEM TO STOP DUMPING ON THE PROPERTY TODAY. THERE IS MUCH MORE DAMAGE THAN WHAT THERE WAS EVEN SIX MONTHS AGO. LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, FOR THE M AND M, DID THEY HAVE TO GET THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY REZONED TO OTHER THAN WHAT IT WAS BEFORE? YES, THEY DID. THEY WENT IN, WENT THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS, GOT THE PERMITS, AND, UH, TOOK THE TIME TO DEVELOP IT CORRECTLY. AND IT IS VERY NICE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. NORM. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS FOR MR. RUTH? ALL RIGHT. NONE. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU, SIR. UM, OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. YES. AND, AND STAFF, I BELIEVE YOU SAID YOU HAD ONE MORE VOICEMAIL? YES, SIR. OKAY. YOU GO AHEAD WITH THAT. THANK YOU. YES. MY NAME IS ALBERT ESCOBEDO. I LIVE AT 19 4 0 9 APPLE WHITE ROAD, AND THIS IS FOR THE CASE NUMBER OF THE LAST, UH, IS 7 0 0 1 3 2. I AM IN OPPOSITION OF MR. COST RTA AT 19 4 25 APPLE WHITE ROAD FROM FARMING RANCH TO I EIGHT DASH TWO F, THE 8.8920 ACRES. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LAND FOR ALL HIS TRASH DUMPSTERS AND HAUL TRUCKS THAT HE USES TO DELIVER THE DUMPSTERS. NOT TO MENTION HIS SERVICE TRUCKS AND CRUSHERS MACHINES. ON HIS WEBSITE IT SAYS JC DISPOSAL CONSTRUCTION CLEANUP, HAUL AWAY SERVICE CONTAINER PICKUP RETAINER, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS GARBAGE COLLECTION SERVICE. THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT CHAIN SAYS FOR A METAL RECYCLING ENTITY AND OUTSIDE STORAGE FOR PRO PROCESSING, HE BRINGS ALL THOSE DUMPSTERS IN FULL OF TRASH AND GOES THROUGH THEM FOR THE METAL. SO THEREFORE, THE DUMPSTERS WITH TRASH SIT FOR DAYS OR WEEKS TILL THEY'RE FULL ENOUGH FOR HIM TO DISPOSE OF. OVER A YEAR. OVER A YEAR AGO, I CALLED MR. HUDSON TOLER AT T C E Q, TEXAS COMMISSION ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. HE INFORMED MR. COSTA THAT THE DUMPSTERS WERE TO BE PICKED UP FROM THE JOB SITE AND STRAIGHT TO THE DUMP. AND, AND MR. COSTA WAS FINE. MR. HUDSON TOLD ME THAT TO TAKE IT UP WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. SO I DID. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT SAID THE SAME THING TO MR COST AND 20, HIS 20 ACRES WERE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. HE WAS TOLD TO REMOVE THE BUSINESS FROM THE PROPERTY. IT TOOK MANY FINES FOR HIM TO COMPLY. PLEASE, I ASK YOU NOT TO ALLOW THE ZONING CHAINS AND TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT FROM THE POLLUTION HE'S CAUSING TO MY LAND AND ALL THE LAND AROUND HIM. MR. COSTA HAS NO RESPECT FOR THE LAW AND THE POLLUTION HE'S CAUSING TO THE LAND. HE DOES NOT RESIDE ON THE PROPERTY, SO THEREFORE HE DOESN'T CARE THAT HE'S POLLUTING THE LAND AND THE LAND AROUND HIM. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND THE STAFF, THAT WAS ALL THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HAD. YES. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. OKAY. IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT FOR, IF YOU CAN HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL TO WHAT YOU, WHAT WAS STATED BY THE CALLER TO THE APPLICANT? YOU'LL NEED TO STAR 66. STAR SIX. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. I DID WANNA MAKE A FEW CORRECTIONS, UM, TO THE COMMENTS. UM, MR. ESCO ESCOVEDO SAID, WE HAVE SEVERAL TRUCKS THAT'S WRONG. WE ONLY HAVE TWO TRUCKS. UM, AND WE DO NOT WORK 24 7. WE ONLY WORK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND MAYBE HALF LESS THAN HALF A DAY ON SATURDAYS. UM, AS FAR AS OUR DUMPSTERS, WE DO NOT HAVE SEVERAL ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AT MOST WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR DUMPSTERS. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE, UM, WASTE, I DO WANNA MAKE A CORRECTION THAT WE DO NOT PICK UP ANY TYPE OF WASTE. THE ONLY TYPE OF, THE ONLY THING THAT WE PICK UP IS CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, UM, AT MOST WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR DUMPSTERS ON THE PROPERTY. UM, EACH TIME A DRIVER PICKS UP, A DUMPSTER AID DOES GO DIRECTLY TO LANDFILL. LIKE I SAID, UM, METAL RECYCLING IS AT MOST ONCE, ONCE A MONTH. UM, BECAUSE OUR DUMPSTERS ARE ALWAYS OUT ON THE PROPERTY, UM, THEY'RE RARELY, [02:55:02] YOU KNOW, WITH US. UM, AND WE, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ON THE PROPERTY, ON OUR PROPERTY AT APPLEWHITE IN ALMOST A YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN BANNED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, WHICH WE DID NOT KNOW WE HAD TO DO WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, TRYING TO CORRECT ALL OF OUR MISTAKES NOW. UM, UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT. AND I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE OPPOSITION, BUT LIKE I SAID, ALL WE DO IS CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS. UM, WE HAVE MAYBE FOUR CONTAINERS ON THE PROPERTY IF THAT'S, UM, WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE CAUSING HARM TO ANYBODY. UM, AND THERE IS WATER ON OUR PROPERTY. I DID, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER CORRECTION. THERE IS WATER THERE. WE DO HAVE LIVESTOCK AND CATTLE, WHICH OF COURSE REQUIRE WATER. SO WE DO HAVE WATER ON THE PROPERTY. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE I CAN SAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT WAS TIME COMMISSIONER SYKES BACK TO YOU. OH, SIR, WE CAN'T HEAR. YOU MIGHT NEED TO. OKAY. AH, I SEE COMMISSIONER GREY HOUSE WHILE HE'S RECONNECTING AUDIO, DO YOU WANNA UM, I AM BACK ON. I CAN TAKE OVER AGAIN. OKAY. UH, ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS A DISTRICT FOUR CASE, SO LET ME MAKE SURE I DON'T MISTAKE WHO'S WHO. UH, AND SO COMMISSIONER KAMATH, IT IS YOU. SO, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS TO THE, UH, APPLICANT. CAN I GET APPLICANT ONLINE PLEASE? HELLO? YES, I'M HERE. MA'AM. YOU SAID, UH, YOU HAVE STOPPED THIS OPERATIONS FOR THE LAST ONE YEAR, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I, THAT YES, BECAUSE WE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ALLOWED BACK ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL WE GET ALL THIS CORRECTED, UNTIL WE GET THE PERMITS AND THE REZONING AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. SO WE HAVE NOT BEEN ON THE PROPERTY. SO THE, YOU GOT A CITATION FROM THE CITY TO STOP THE OPERATIONS, IS THAT WHY YOU STOPPED? YES. WELL, OUR OPERATIONS MOVED TO A, TO ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T ALLOW IT. SO YES. OKAY. SEE THIS DUMPSTER THAT YOU ARE BRINGING IN FOR, UH, YOU ARE SAYING FOR RECYCLING THE METAL, UH, BUT THE DUMPSTERS DO CONTAIN, UH, OTHER THAN JUST THE METAL, YOU ARE BRINGING IN, UH, THE WASTE MATERIAL IN THE DUMPSTER, DON'T YOU? UM, IT'S ONLY CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS UHHUH THEN, UH, HOW DO YOU SEPARATE THESE THINGS? DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, EQUIPMENT OR DO YOU DO IT MANUALLY OR HOW DO YOU DO IT? YES, MANUALLY. SO, UH, ARE YOU, UH, AWARE THAT WHEN YOU SEPARATE THIS TRASH OR THE, UH, DEBRIS, IT DOES AFFECT THE FARM AND RANCH? NOT ONLY YOUR, UH, PROPERTY, BUT ALL THE ADJACENT LAND THEY HAVE, UH, FARMING RANCH AND THEY HAVE, UH, WATER PONDS AND OTHER LIVESTOCK. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? I'M SORRY, I CAN BARELY UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU BRING IN THIS DEBRIS AND OTHER, OTHER, UH, TRASH AND, UH, WASTE MATERIAL, THEN YOU ARE TAKING IT OUT OF THESE DUMPSTERS AND SEPARATING THEM. THERE IS A, THERE IS A LOT OF MATERIAL TRASH ON THE GROUNDS ON YOUR FARM RANCH LAND THAT IS SAVE SAFETY PROPERTY, ISN'T IT? NO, IT, WHAT WE DO IS WE TRANSFER IT FROM ONE CONTAINER TO ANOTHER. WE SEPARATE THE METAL TO, INTO A SEPARATE CONTAINER. AND NOTHING COMES OUT OF [03:00:01] THE, NOTHING GOES ON THE GROUND. IT'S JUST FROM ONE CONTAINER TO THE OTHER. AND WHATEVER STAYS IN THAT CONTAINER GOES DIRECTLY TO THE LANDFILL AND THE, AND THE METAL GETS RECYCLED, GOES TO, TO A RECYCLING PLANT. YEAH. UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT. I WOULD LIKE FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO, UH, UH, DISCUSS OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS TO THEM. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KAMATH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I SEE COMMISSIONER MCGEE. THANK YOU. CHAIR BUSANTE. UM, SO, UM, TO STAFF, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S EXISTING, UM, CODE COMPLIANCE, UH, VIOLATIONS. IS THERE ALSO A T C E Q CASE AS WELL? I AM NOT AWARE OF A T C E Q CASE, BUT I DO KNOW THERE ARE A CODE. THERE'S A CODE BOTH ENFORCEMENT FILE. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, SO, UM, TO, UM, THE APPLICANT, SO, UM, YOU SAID YOU ALL, UM, PLURAL THE, THE METAL OUT OF ONE CONTAINER TO ANOTHER. SO WHAT IS THE OTHER, UM, MATERIAL THAT'S IN THE CONTAINER THAT YOU'RE PULLING THE METAL OUT OF? UM, IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS. OKAY. AND, UH, OKAY. HOW LONG, UH, DO THOSE, UH, DUMPSTERS SIT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS BEFORE THEY ARE, UM, I GUESS GONE THROUGH FOR THE METAL AND THEN, UH, MOVED OFF THE PROPERTY? CORRECT. I MEAN, HOW, HOW ABOUT, HOW LONG DOES THAT PROCESS TAKE? YOU KNOW, HOW LONG DO THE DUMPSTERS SIT THERE? UM, AT, WELL, UH, AT MOST ABOUT A WEEK. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCGEE. UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KAMATH, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE, UH, BEEN IN THIS AREA AND I HAVE SEEN THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT, UH, MR. ROOF LONG ROOF AND, UH, LOWLY AND OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE, UH, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. IT'S MOSTLY FARMING RANCH AND, UH, REALLY VERY SERENE AREA EXCEPT THIS ONE SMALL PATCH OF, UH, UH, 0.8 ACRES OR ALMOST AN ACRE THAT IS BEING USED MORE AS A BRINGING THE DUMPSTERS. AND, UH, THERE, THERE IS A SEEPAGE OF, UH, WASTE MATERIAL INTO THIS PROPERTY. UM, I THINK IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY HAVE PICKED UP THIS AREA TO DO THIS KIND OF, UH, SO-CALLED, UH, METAL RECYCLING. I, I AM VERY DISHEARTENED BY THE, UH, USE OF THE LAND AT THIS TOPIC. UM, SO I AM GOING TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE CITY STAFF AND MOVE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION FOR REZONING. UH, ON ITEM NUMBER SIX, THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX FROM COMMISSIONER KENNETH. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ROMERO. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX BY COMMISSIONER KENNETH WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ROME. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE. HI. DR. ROMERO? YES. MR. GIBBONS? YES. MR. WHITE? YES. MR. MCDANIEL? YES. MR. MCGEE? YES. MR. GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. [03:05:02] AND CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES FOR DENIAL. 11 TO ZERO. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER [10. 21-1075 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700274 CD (Council District 5)] 10. ITEM NUMBER 10, AS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME OF THE CONDITIONAL USE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FULL SERVICE. THIS IS LOCATED AT FOUR 20 SOUTH SAN AUGUSTINE AVENUE AND 33 NOTICES WERE MAILED. 15 WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM LAS PALM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE CURRENT C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE AREA IS PRIMARILY OUR CORE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY WITH RESIDENTIAL USES. C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE AREA OR MIDBLOCK SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPOSED ZONING WOULD REPRESENT COMMERCIAL CREEPING INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THE REQUEST TAKES A MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL USE OF AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK REPAIR, NORMALLY ALLOWED IN THE C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND ALLOWS IT TO BE CONDITIONED DOWN TO A C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT AND WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PRESENT? UH, YES. THIS IS FERNANDO DELONA. I AM THE APPLICANT AND I HAVE MR. HERNAN, WHICH IS THE OWNER HERE TOO IN THE, IN THE OFFICE. UH, IF WE COULD, UH, HAVE THE, UH, SITE PLAN SO I COULD JUST GO OVER IT. UM, ON THE SITE PLAN, MR. SALINAS OWNS THE PROP, OWNS BOTH LOTS RIGHT NOW, BUT HE'S OPERATING AT THE, FROM THE FOUR 20 FTA GENERAL MCMULLIN. AND IN THAT LOT HE HAS, UM, THE EXISTING OFFICE AND, UH, AND SOME CARS THAT HE HAS FOR DISPLAY. THE ENTRANCE IS THROUGH GENERAL MCMULLIN. UH, THE, THE, THE LOT ON THE BACK, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE IT IS THE FOUR 20 SOUTH SAN AUGUSTINE. AND THAT LOT IS ABOUT 6,150 SQUARE FEET. THE, THE LOT TO THE RIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, WHERE HE'S OPERATING THE 4 25 SOUTH GENERAL MCAL, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 3,200 SQUARE FEET. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS EXPAND THE BUSINESS. UH, MR. SALINAS HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS OR AT THIS LOCATION FOR ABOUT GOING IN FOUR YEARS. HIS PURCHASES IN 2017. SO HE'S TRYING TO EXPAND HIS BUSINESS TO THEM, TO THE REAR LOT. WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WE, UH, WE PUT A FENCE, A NICE PRIVACY FENCE SO WE COULD, UM, SO WE COULD HAVE MORE PRIVACY FOR US AND ALSO FOR THE NEIGHBORS. UH, WE PLANTED SOME TREES ON THE, UH, EXISTING LOT AT 4 25 SIDE GENERAL MCMULLIN TO IMPROVE THE, UH, THE SITE. NOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE LOT RIGHT NOW, THE FOUR 20 SOUTH AUGUSTINE, IS TO MOVE THE OFFICE FROM THE 4 25, UH, SOUTH GENERAL MCMULLAN, WHERE IT'S EXISTING, DEMOLISH THAT ONE, AND PROVIDE A NEW OFFICE, WHICH WILL BE ABOUT SIX SQUARE SQUARE FEET. UH, AND THAT OFFICE WILL REQUIRE ABOUT TWO PARKING SPACES FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. AND THAT WILL GIVE US MORE, A LITTLE MORE AREA TO DISPLAY OUR CARS, UM, UH, AT THE EXISTING LOCATION OF 4 25 SOUTH GENERAL MABO. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO EXPAND INTO THIS NEW LOT OF FOUR 20 SOUTH SAN AUGUSTINE AND SELL CARS FROM THERE OR DISPLAY CARS FROM THERE. NO, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, CREATE A NEW OFFICE AND, UH, AND THE STRUCTURE WILL, OUR, OUR THING IS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE SURROUNDING, UH, UH, HOUSES. YOU KNOW, DON'T MAKE IT LOOK LIKE JUST A BUILDING OR JUST ANOTHER STRUCTURE. WE WANNA MAKE IT INCOMPATIBLE TO THE, TO THE ADJACENT OWNER. IT WILL LOOK LIKE A RESIDENTIAL HOME, BUT USE IT AS OUR OFFICE AND IT WILL ONLY BE ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DISPLAY AT LEAST FOUR, FOUR OR FIVE MORE CARS ON THE EXISTING LOT. THAT WOULD HELP US TREMENDOUSLY IN OUR BUSINESS. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE PRETTY TIGHT IN THE LITTLE LOT WE HAVE. SO ANY HELP THAT, THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION COULD PROVIDE US WILL BE REALLY APPRECIATED SO WE COULD, UH, EXPAND AND THIS BUSINESS CAN KEEP, UH, UH, GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO WE MET WITH THE DISTRICT, UH, OFFICE, THE CITY COUNCIL, DISTRICT OFFICE FRIDAY. WE ALSO MET WITH, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS ON FRIDAY. AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE NOT IN DENIAL. THEY WERE NOT GIVING US A DENIED OR THEY WERE ALSO AT THIS TIME NOT TOTALLY GIVING AN APPROVAL. BUT FOR THEY, THEY UNDERSTOOD OUR SITUATION. THEY CAME IN WITH SEVERAL, UH, CONDITIONS [03:10:01] THAT THEY WOULD WANNA PUT IN OUR, IN OUR ZONING CASE. AND WE ALL AGREE WE'RE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY. WE'RE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. SO WE AGREED TO ANY OF THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY, THEY ASKED US TO. ALSO, ANOTHER THING THAT THEY HAD ASKED A WEEK AGO FROM A C TWO CD, UH, CONDITIONAL, UH, FOR MOTOR VEHICLES AND, UH, FULL SERVICE C ONE AND JUST USE IT FOR SALES OR MOTOR VEHICLES. SO NO REPAIRS WILL BE DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR LOT. WE AGREE ON THAT. SO IF, UH, IF THE COMMISSION FIT THAT WE COULD DOWN ZONE TO A C ONE WITH THE USE FOR MORE VEHICLES ONLY, WE WILL, UM, WE WILL ASSESS THAT. UM, AND SO WHAT ELSE WE DID? MR. DELE? I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. UH, I'M SORRY MR. DELEON. WE HAD THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN DISPLAYED, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE CURRENT SITE PLAN DISPLAYED. NOW WE HAVE THE CURRENT SITE PLAN DISPLAYED. THANK YOU. PLEASE CONTINUE. OKAY. OKAY. AND, UH, SO WE DID SPEAK TO ALL OUR NEIGHBORS DOWN THE, DOWN, UP AND DOWN THE BLOCK, AND WE EXPLAINED WHAT WE WERE, UH, DOING, WHAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE REZONING AND WHAT'S THE ULTIMATE GOAL. AND THEY ALL WERE IN FAVOR OF US IMPROVING THIS LOT AND MAKING IT LOOK BETTER FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UH, WE HAVE IN FAVOR OF ALL THE, UH, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO. UH, THERE WERE LIKE 15, 15 PEOPLE I THINK WE TALKED DOWN, UH, DOWN OUR, DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YES, THEY, THEY WERE ALL IN A FAVOR OF WHAT WE WERE DOING. SO, UM, AT THIS TIME, I DON'T, UH, IF I, I'M HERE TO, TO, UH, RESPOND TO ANY, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. AND ALSO MR. SALINAS IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. DELEON AND MR. SALINAS. UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN YOU'LL BE GIVEN A CHANCE FOR REBUTTAL STAFF. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. HERE COMES THE VOICEMAIL. MY NAME IS GLORIA HERNANDEZ. MY ADDRESS IS 37 23 EL PASO STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO OH SEVEN. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 840-4810. AND THE CASE NUMBER IS Z 20 20 10 70 0 2 74 CD. THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST IS IN OPPOSITION, UH, FOR THE 40 20 SOUTH SAN AUGUSTINE AVENUE. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN NEGOTIATION WITH THE OWNER AND WE DO NOT APPROVE FOR THE TWO C CD ZONING. AND WE ARE AGAIN IN NEGOTIATION AND WE'D LIKE TO DENY, UH, THIS, UH, REQUEST FOR THE CD ZONING. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY CALLERS? NO CALLERS, SIR. OKAY. UM, MR. DELEON OR MR. SALINAS, DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL YOU'D LIKE TO OFFER? YOU WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES. UM, YES. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT THAT VOICEMAIL WAS, UH, LEFT. UH, BUT WE DID SPEAK TO THEM ON FRIDAY AND ALSO, UH, THIS MORNING AND THIS SITE PLAN, THE CURRENT ONE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN THAT CAME OUT OF, UH, THE, THE MEETING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. AND, UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE CONCENTRATING ONE THING THAT I, I DIDN'T MENTION THAT, UH, YES, WE UNDERSTAND SANTA AUGUSTINE IS A, UM, A RESIDENTIAL STREET. SO WE DON'T HAVE, AND WE DON'T PROPOSE TO HAVE ANY ACCESS TO SANTA AUGUSTINE. ALL OF OUR ACCESS WILL BE DIRECTED TOWARDS GENERAL MCMULLIN. UH, THERE IS CURRENTLY A DRIVEWAY AND A GATE ON GENERAL MCM ON, UH, , BUT WE DON'T USE IT. AND WE HAD ASKED THAT IF THAT THAT GATE COULD BE SWITCHED TO A PEDESTRIAN GATE OR IF IT REMAINS, UH, A DRIVEWAY COULD REMAIN LOCKED ONLY FOR FIRE PROTECTION. THAT'S ALL WE REQUIRED. UH, WE WERE NOT PLANNING TO USE IT. THE BUILDING WILL GO RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT GATE. SO WE REALLY WOULD NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS TO IT EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCY, UM, PURPOSE. UM, SO, UH, AT THIS TIME, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO. WE ARE WILLING IF WE, IF UH, IF IT HELPS THE CASE TO DOWN ZONE [03:15:01] IT TO A C ONE WITH A CONDITION, UH, TO UH, JUST FOR MORE OF A EQUALS, WE WE'RE GLAD TO ACCEPT THAT, UH, THAT ZONING. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU MR. DEWIN. SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, YOU STILL HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT. NO, I THINK THAT'S ALL. UH, MR. SLU? NO, HE'S OKAY. YES, WE'RE OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UM, ALRIGHT, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE. SO, UH, I GUESS I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. AND, AND THE FIRST QUESTION IS GONNA DOVETAIL OFF OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT. UM, YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO, UH, TAKE THIS FROM A C TWO TO A C ONE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE WITH, UH, CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. UM, ARE YOU FORMALLY AMENDING YOUR REQUEST AT THIS TIME? YES SIR. YES. OKAY. UM, NOW CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BROUGHT TO YOU WAS, UH, THE DANGER OF POTENTIALLY BACKING UP INTO GENERAL MCMULLEN FROM THE MCMULLEN ENTRANCE FROM THE EXISTING CAR SALES LAW, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES, WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT. YES. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ON THE, UH, SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR, ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW? WHAT I DID WAS BLOCK OUT ABOUT TWO PARKING SPACES ON ONE SIDE AND ONE PARKING SPACE ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND I SHADED IT AND PUT NO PARKING. NO PARKING. WE WOULD USE THAT AS OUR TURNAROUND. EVERYTHING WILL BE PAVED ASALT. SO THE CARS WOULD, WOULD BACK UP FROM THIS LOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REZONE INTO THOSE NO PARKING AREA. AND THEN THAT WOULD BE CREATED TO DO THE TURNAROUND AND FOR SURE WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANYBODY, UH, BACKING OUT INTO GENERAL VALLOW. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. DEION. UH, ADDITIONALLY, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. I WANT TO GO THROUGH A FEW OF THEM, UH, BOTH WITH YOU AND WITH STAFF. 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE I CAN DO SOME OF THEM, BUT I WANNA TRY. UH, SO MR. DELEON, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, UM, MIGHT BE THE HOURS OF OPERATION. WOULD YOU AGREE TO HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, OF MONDAY TO SATURDAY, 10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UH, YES, WE DO AGREE. OKAY. UH, WITH RESPECT TO LIGHTING, UM, YOU WOULD AGREE THAT ALL LIGHTING SHOULD BE POINT DOWNWARD TO AVOID, UH, INTERFERENCE WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES? YES. YES. WE WILL, UH, ALSO AGREE AND DEFINITELY DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, WE WILL, UH, UH, GO THROUGH THE REVIEWS FOR, FOR COMPLIANCE, YES. OKAY. UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT UP A FENCE ALONG, UH, THE SAN AUGUSTINE SIDE. UH, YOU WOULD MAINTAIN THAT PRIVACY, PRIVACY FENCE ON SAN AUGUSTINE? YES. UH, WE PUT A PRIVACY FENCE, UH, WOOD FENCE ALL AROUND AS PER ONE OF THE REQUESTS FOR THE NEIGHBORS. UH, SO YES, WE DID IT LAST YEAR, WE PERMITTED IT AND IT WAS APPROVED AND WE WILL, UH, IT WILL STAY AS, AS, AS AS APPROVED BY AND, UH, INSPECTED BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? YES. OKAY. UH, AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS IN YOUR PREVIOUS TALK, BUT THE ACCESS TO OR FROM, UH, SAN AUGUSTINE WILL, WILL BE CLOSED, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, YOU KNOW, THAT POTENTIAL EMERGENCY EXIT PEDESTRIAN EXIT, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. WE WILL, UH, KEEP IT AS A, AS A MINIMUM AS A PEDESTRIAN FOR EMERGENCY EMERGENCY ACCESS. OKAY. AND ANY NEW EXISTING PARKING WILL BE MADE OF ASPHALT AND IN GOOD CONDITION? THAT IS CORRECT. UH, WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WITH THIS, UH, NEW BUILDING AND, UH, DURING THAT TIME THEY WILL REQUEST, WILL REQUIRE TO FOLLOW THE CODE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO, UH, UH, EITHER MAKE IT OUT OF ASPHALT AND, UH, CONCRETE AND PLUS WE WILL DO THE EXISTING LOT. WE WILL REPAVE IT THE EXISTING WHERE WE'RE OPERATING RIGHT NOW, WE WILL INCLUDE THAT ASPHALT AND MAKE IT LOOK GOOD. YES. THANK YOU. UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS? UH, VICE CHAIR SIPES? YES. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING [03:20:01] TO A C ONE CD, WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE AUTO SALES ARE A C THREE. CAN, CAN YOU BRING DOWN A C THREE TO A C ONE? UH, YES YOU CAN. UM, SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL RANGE. SO YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE BASE ZONE IS, WHICH IS THE R FOUR AND THEY WERE REQUESTING, SO IT'S FROM R FOUR ALL THE WAY UP TO A C TWO. SO THE RANGE IS ANYTHING BETWEEN R FOUR AND C TWO. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. BUT WHAT I, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, CAN YOU BRING DOWN, UH, AUTO SALES TO A C ONE? YES. UH, PER SECTION 35 4 22, TABLE 4 22 DASH ONE, UH, YOU CAN TAKE A C THREE USE AND CONDITION IT DOWN TO A C ONE. ALRIGHT. THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? AND I JUST REALIZED A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. DID I SEE COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YEAH, I'M JUST, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT EARLIER TODAY. SO, UM, THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL 'CAUSE WE GOT A WHOLE BLOCK OF THEM ALL AT ONCE AND I JUST SORT OF WONDERED HOW THEY, DID THEY JUST COME IN FROM THE APPLICANT THAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL SORT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE SIGNING THE EXACT SAME STATEMENT AND A LOT OF THEM SEEM TO HAVE THE SAME NAME ON THEM. NOT ALL OF 'EM. BUT, UM, I JUST WONDERED IF STAFF COULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF BACKGROUND ON, ON HOW, UM, THESE 19 PAGES CAME TO US. HELLO, THIS IS MICHAEL. HEY, SO THOSE NOTICES, UH, THEY WEREN'T NOTICES. THEY WERE, UH, STATEMENTS THAT WERE PRINTED OUT AND THEN SIGNED BY VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH EACH, EACH OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS DOES LIVE ALONG THE STREET. UM, BUT THAT IS JUST A PREPARED STATEMENT THAT WAS SIGNED AND TURNED IN BY THE APPLICANT, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE? THANK YOU. UM, SO QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO IS THERE ANY, UM, REQUIREMENT FOR THE ENTRANCE ON SAN AUGUSTINE? THEIR PLANS, UM, FALL WITHIN THE RANGE OF WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CITY. UH, THEY, THE CONDITION THAT I BELIEVE CHAIR ANTE WAS, UH, GOING TO RECOMMEND WAS EMERGENCY ACCESS. MM-HMM. , UH, FROM SOME AUGUSTINE ONLY. SO, SO, AND, AND THAT, THAT FALLS WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? SO I APOLOGIZE, I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, GIVEN THE AMENDMENT, DOES THAT CHANGE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? NO, SIR. UNFORTUNATELY IT'S STILL MID-BLOCK AND WE JUST DON'T RECOMMEND, UH, COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK WITH SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, WHILE I UNDERSTAND, UH, STAFF'S CONCERN REGARDING MID-BLOCK, WE'VE HAD A SIMILAR CASE TO THIS RECENTLY. NOT THAT IT WAS PRESIDENTIAL, UM, BUT THIS SORT OF STRIP BETWEEN MCMULLEN AND SUN AUGUSTINE IS I THINK INCREASINGLY GOING TO BE THIS KIND OF COMMERCIAL USE. UH, IN THIS CASE, GIVEN THE REQUEST AS AMENDED AND WITH THE APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS, UH, WILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL. UM, AND SO I WILL NOW MOVE, UH, TO APPROVE AS AMENDED THE REQUEST OF ITEM NUMBER 10 TO C ONE WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, HOURS OF OPERATIONS MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 10:00 AM TO 7:00 PM UH, LIGHTING BE LIMITED TO DOWNWARD, UH, FACING LIGHTING OWNER TO MAINTAIN A PRIVACY FENCE IN GOOD CONDITION, ACCESS TO AND FROM SAN AUGUSTINE TO BE CLOSED ONLY FOR EMERGENCY USE AND ANY NEW OR [03:25:01] EXISTING PARKING TO BE MADE OF ASPHALT AND IN GOOD CONDITION. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. UH, IS, SORRY, IS THERE A SECOND? GREAT HOUSE. SECOND. HELLO? UH, I HEARD COMMISSIONER WHITE AS A SECOND. OKAY. SO THERE IS CURRENTLY A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UH, FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED AND WITH THE CONDITIONS WERE CITED ON THE RECORD, UH, DISCUSSION, ANY COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UM, I, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING YOUR MOTION EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ABOUT THAT. AND WE HAVE HAD A SIMILAR CASE AND, AND I COULDN'T, UH, SUPPORT THAT ONE AS WELL. MY CONCERN IS WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING DOWN A SLIPPERY SLOPE THEN OF ALLOWING THIS TO ENCOURAGING THIS TO HAPPEN. UM, BUT WITH THAT, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO OFFER, IF YOU WANNA SUGGEST IT OR CONSIDER IT AS A, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, WHETHER YOU WOULD REQUIRE SOME KIND OF PRIVACY FENCING ON THAT SIDE AND WHETHER YOU WOULD PROHIBIT ANY OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, UH, NOISE OF, YOU KNOW, THAT LEVEL AFTER, AFTER OR DURING THE BUSINESS HOURS. ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S WAS JUST MY POINT, JUST TO GET THAT OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UM, I WOULD ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR NO AMPLIFICATION. IF I COULD ASK THE APPLICANT, WOULD THAT BE OKAY? NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION AS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION. UH, COMM UH, EXCUSE ME, CHAIRMAN ANTE, UM, YES, THE C ONE DISTRICT ALREADY LIMITS NOISE. IT'S, YOU CANNOT HAVE OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION IN A C ONE. PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, STAFF. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE OVERSIGHT. UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONERS SEEING UP COMMISSIONER ROME. YEAH, THANKS. I, THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. I, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS EITHER. IT, IT'S THE MID-BLOCK THING, IT'S THE, I I THINK GOING TO C ONE IS ALMOST WORSE FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT'S C ONE BUT IT'S, IT ALLOWS FOR CAR SALES EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THEY WON'T BE DOING IT ON THAT SIDE. AND I, I'M JUST NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH THE FEEDBACK FROM THE CITIZENS. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THESE DOCUMENTS AND I'M, I KNOW IT'S NOT LIKE YOU SAID, OH, WE GOT ALL THESE DOCUMENTS IN FAVOR OF THE, OF IT FROM THE RESIDENTS, BUT WE DID HEAR FROM ONE RESIDENT OPPOSED. AND THESE DOCUMENTS IN FAVOR ARE JUST, UM, UNSETTLING ME A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE THEY'RE WRITTEN IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF INK AND ON THE SAME PIECE OF PAPER AND EVERYBODY HAS THE APPLICANT'S PHONE NUMBER AS THE ONE WHERE THEY CAN BE CONTACTED AND, UM, AND DON'T JUST GENERALLY UNSETTLED ABOUT, UH, THE DOCUMENTS WE GOT HERE, BUT MOSTLY, UH, JUST THE COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK. I, I JUST DON'T THINK I CAN DO IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER O'NEAL. UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED, UH, C ONE WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECITED ON THE RECORD. ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? YES. MR. WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? NO. MR. GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? NO. MR. GR HOUSE? NO. VICE CHAIR SPACE? NO. CHAIR. WHO'S THE MONTH? AYE. MOTION FAILS. 6, 6 5. I'M SORRY. FIVE SIX IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO SAY THAT. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, THE MOTION HAS FAILED. IS THERE, [03:30:01] UH, A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FROM SOMEONE WHO VOTED IN OPPOSITION TO THE MOTION? I I DON'T, UH, I DO NOT SEE ONE STAFF. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT MEANS THAT IT WILL RETURN AT THE NEXT MEETING. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER [12. 21-1077 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700276 (Council District 5)] 12 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO SEAT ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 1 1 6 MENCHACA AND 1313 NORTH ZAMORA STREET. 26 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND LAS PALMAS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. LEFT A VOICEMAIL REQUESTING MORE TIME. THE CURRENT I ONE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE REQUESTED C TWO IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND WOULD BE BETTER SUITED TO THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY OF RESIDENTIAL USE. THE PROPOSED C TWO IS MORE, IS ALSO MORE CONSISTENT AND MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING AND SURROUNDING C TWO AND C THREE ZONING DISTRICTS AND USES ALONG WEST COMMERCE CORRIDOR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES. ALRIGHT. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT, SIR, YOU HAVE I BELIEVE 10 MINUTES? YES. SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON HERE. MY NAME IS CAM SMITHA AND I'M THE DEVELOPER FOR THE LOCATION. WE ARE LOOKING TO OPEN UP A PHARMACY WITH THE, UH, DOCTOR'S CLINIC, UH, DOWN THE ROAD AND WE, WE BE SERVING IN THE AREA TO PROVIDE MORE THE MEDICAL HELP. UH, OF COURSE, UH, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, MOSTLY FOR FAMILY ENVIRONMENTAL AREA RIGHT NOW, AT THE MOMENT, THE, THIS LOCATION HAS BEEN ON THE INITIAL, I USED TO BE TAX BUILDING FOR VERY LONG TIME AND WE JUST CONVERTING THAT INTO A, UH, PHARMACY STORE, UH, WHERE WE DELIVER TO A NEARBY LOCATION NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, SO, UH, WITH THAT ONE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO. HEY, LOVE TRACY. IT'S UH, CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME EARPHONES PLEASE? SORRY SIR. EARPHONES OF SOME SORT? HUH? EARPHONES. EARPHONES. ANY KIND OF EARPHONES. CAN YOU HEAR NOW? I'M SORRY. I, I APOLOGIZE. CAN YOU HEAR NOW? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. OKAY, PERFECT. SO WE ARE TRYING TO UH, UM, ASK TO, UH, CONVERT THE ZONE TO A C TWO WHERE WE CAN OPEN A PHARMACY AND DOCTOR'S CLINIC. UH, AT THE MOMENT RIGHT NOW THE BUILDING WAS PERFORMING AS A TEXT BUILDING FOR I WOULD SAY LAST 30 YEARS, UH, OR SO. BUT, UH, IT WAS UNDER, UH, ZONE I ISSUE ZONE AND UH, WHAT WE TRYING TO ASK FOR IS TO CONVERT THAT INTO A ZONE TWO AND C TWO WHERE WE CAN OPERATE AND RUN A PHARMACY WITH THE DOCTOR'S CLINIC. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, MR. METTA, DID YOU WANT TO CONTINUE? NO, THAT'S ALL FIRST. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INTERRUPTION. UH, I HAD SOME TIME. OH, NO WORRIES. UH, STEPH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES SIR. WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. THANK YOU. CAN I, HELLO, MY NAME IS GLORIA HERNANDEZ. MY ADDRESS IS 37 23 EL PASO STREET, SEVEN EIGHT TWO OH SEVEN. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 840-4810 AND I AM WITH THE LOS PALMAS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THE NUMBER, THE CASE NUMBER, UH, THE LAST FOUR DI THREE DIGITS ARE 2 7 6 AND THIS IS FOR PROPERTY AT 46 15 WEST COMMERCE STREET. WE, WE ARE OPPOSING THE ZONING REQUEST UNTIL WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE OWNER. WE HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO MEET WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT THEIR, UM, REASON IS FOR, FOR WANTING TO HAVE A C TWO, UH, M L O D IN THIS, UM, ADDRESS, AT THIS ADDRESS SO WE CAN REQUEST A VOTE, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST UNTIL WE CAN FULLY MEET WITH THE OWNER. THANK YOU. [03:35:07] THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, MR. METTA, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? YES, SO, UH, WE HAVE TRIED TO, UH, UH, GO AROUND THERE WE ARE TO SEE IF ANYONE HAS AN ISSUE OR NOT, BUT, UH, THE WAY THE CONDITION RIGHT NOW, THE NEIGHBORS, THE ONE NEIGHBOR TO US IS BASICALLY HAVING A, UH, METALWORK SERVICES AND ANOTHER SIDE IS BASICALLY EMPTY LOT AND THE RIGHT BEHIND IT'S ALSO EMPTY LOT. THE, THE LOCATION THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS COMPLETELY SEE, UH, A COMMERCIAL ZONE. RIGHT BEHIND RIGHT NEXT TO US IS ALSO A COMMERCIAL ZONE. AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE ARE SERVING AND FOR, FOR BETTER, UH, BETTER I WOULD SAY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE ARE JUST DOING A PHARMACY AND DOCTOR'S CLINIC, UH, WHICH WE WILL NOT BE DOING ANYTHING, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, OF COURSE WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY ALCOHOL OR NOTHING LIKE THAT, JUST AS SIMPLY A MEDICATION AREA, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THERE'S PHARMACY AND DOCTOR'S CLINIC. SO, UH, IF SOMEONE CAN REACH OUT TO ME ANYTIME, I'M, I'M MORE THAN AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT, UH, WE ARE IN A, IN A, IN A VERY, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL, UM, DATELINE ZONE RIGHT NOW WHERE WE CAN, UH, MOVE OVER PHARMACY TO THIS LOCATION WHERE WE CAN OPEN UP AT THE LESS 10 TO 15 DAYS. NOW, ONLY WAITING RIGHT NOW IS, RIGHT NOW IS THE ZONING WHERE WE CAN OPEN THAT UP. WELL, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. THIS BUILDING ONLY WILL BE SERVED FOR PHARMACY AND THE DOCTOR'S CLINIC. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS A JUST FIVE FIVE CASE AS WELL. SO, UM, I WILL TAKE THIS ISSUE. UH, MR. METHA, YOU KNOW, ONE THING YOU MENTIONED IS THAT, UM, UM, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO SELL ALCOHOL AT THIS PHARMACY AND DOCTOR'S OFFICE, WOULD YOU? WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT SELL ANY OF THOSE KIND OF PRODUCTS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, STRICTLY A, UH, MEDICATIONS AND A DOCTOR'S CLINIC, A FAMILY, FAMILY DOCTOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE FAMILY CARE. SO GIVEN BUT GIVEN THE ZONING RUNS WITH THE LAND, SIR, YOU KNOW, SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO NO LONGER RUN THE PHARMACY OR DOCTOR'S OFFICE THERE, UH, AND SELL THE PROPERTY, ALCOHOL SALES WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED AS YOU'VE CURRENTLY SOUGHT, UM, THE ZONING, I'M ASKING WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AMEND, UH, TO PROHIBIT ALCOHOL SALES AS PART OF YOUR RECEIVING REQUEST? YES, DEFINITELY SIR. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO THE APPLICANT ARE, ARE YOU THE PHARMACIST OR ARE YOU JUST BUYING IT? I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M THE, I'M THE, I'M, I'M ONE OF THE PARTNER, UH, AND A DEVELOPER AND ONE PHARMACIST MOTHER. AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PHARMACIST LICENSE NUMBER? DOES HE HAVE ONE? YES SIR. YES MA'AM. WE HAVE CURRENTLY THE PHARMACY RIGHT NOW IN VO. WE HAVE A 2 1 2 RIGHT NOW. ONE IS IN, UH, TWO, BOTH OF IN LIVE OAK. ONE IS CALLED RX PLUS PHARMACY, OTHER WAS CALLED HEALTHCARE PHARMACIES AND THEY BOTH ARE ACTUALLY RUNNING RIGHT NOW, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, TO MY QUESTION DONE TO STAFF CHECKING, MA'AM, I HAVE A QUESTION TO STAFF. OKAY? YES MA'AM. WE'RE HERE. OKAY. PHARMACIES, UH, CAN I GO SEE ONE? THEY COULD BASED ON BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE IF, IF THEY NEEDED LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE, WELL, UH, BUT THE, THEY CAN ALSO ADD THE NA FOR NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES TO THE C TWO. YES. OKAY. I I THINK THAT PROBABLY THE, UH, ASSOCIATION'S CONCERN C TWO KIND OF SITTING OUT THERE LIKE THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, FROM COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, UM, AS I SAID, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, UM, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS REGARDING UM, C TWO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK SHOULD THE APPLICANT AGREE TO, UH, ADD, AMEND THEIR REQUEST TO [03:40:01] ADD NA AND SHOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD ASK RATHER THAT THE COMMISSION KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS COMING DOWN FROM AN I ONE AND SO IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DOWN ZONING EVEN NOW TO PROVIDE A PHARMACY AND DOCTOR'S CLINIC IN THIS OFFICE. SO BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION, MR. METTA, I WANT YOU TO, IF YOU WOULD FORMALLY AMEND THIS TO A REQUEST FOR A C TWO NA IF YOU ARE WILLING TO DO SO. YES. YES SIR. OKAY. UH, IN LIGHT OF THAT, I MOVE, UH, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS AMENDED, UH, OF ITEM NUMBER 12 TO, UH, C TWO NA. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, DANIEL. OKAY. UH, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS AMENDED C TWO AND A, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE. ALRIGHT, THIS IS ITEM 12 AS AMENDED TO C TWO AND A DR. JONES? YES. YES. MR. KAMI? YES. MR. WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. MR. GIBBONS? YES. MR. WHITE. MR. WHITE? YES. MR. MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. MR. GREY HOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. AND CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES AS AMENDED TO C2 AND A BY 11 TO ZERO. THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE? STAFF. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. DO WE HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS? WE HAVE UH, ONE MORE ITEM AND I'M SORRY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM AND THE MINUTES. DO WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK? I DO REALIZE WE'VE BEEN GOING. OKAY. SO ITEM NUMBER 20. OH, OKAY. UH, IT BE 21. I THOUGHT WE WERE ON 21. WHY IS 22 UP? ARE WE ON 21 OR 22? 22 WAS CONTINUED. WE SHOULD BE ON ITEM 21. OKAY. 21. WE, WE ARE ON ITEM 21. IT WAS JUST, UH, AN ERROR IN THE ITEM NUMBER ON THE POWERPOINT. SO FOR ITEM NUMBER 21, HOLD ON. UM, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THIS DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE THE RIGHT ITEM. LET'S, EVEN THOUGH WE ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM LEFT IN MINUTES, LET'S UM, TAKE A QUICK BREAK 'CAUSE WE HAVE BEEN GOING FOR TWO HOURS, UH, A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL STAND IN RECESS TILL WE CAN FIGURE OUT ITEM 21 COMING UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FIVE MINUTES. IT'S FOUR [21. 21-1078 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700286 CD (Council District 3)] FROM RD TO C2 CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MANUFACTURED HOME SALES AND STORAGE. LOCATED IN THE 14,000 BLOCK OF SOUTH INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 37 AND FIVE NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE CURRENT RD RURAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA ALONG A MAJOR INTERSTATE AND WITHIN A DEVELOPING COMMERCIAL INTERSECTION. THE PROPOSED C TWO CD WOULD ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL UTILIZATION OF THE CURRENTLY VACANT PROPERTY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES. OKAY. IF YOU WOULD, YOU HAVE 10 MINUTES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, UH, AND IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. ABSOLUTELY. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS AND, AND COMMISSIONERS. UM, YES. MY NAME IS EDUARDO RETO WITH PARA AND COMPANY. WE REPRESENT, UH, THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THE TENANTS AND FOR THE PROPERTY. THE PROJECT INTENDED, UH, TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, IN THIS PROPERTY IS A MANUFACTURE HOME DEALERSHIP. UM, IT'S A VERY LOW DENSITY PROJECT, UH, WHICH IS GONNA BE, UH, UH, ONE MODEL HOME AND IT'S EXPECTED TO HAVE ABOUT 10 12 INVENTORY HOMES INSIDE IN ON THE SIDE. [03:45:01] THE DEVELOPER IS INTENDING TO HAVE A CHANGE THE FACE OF THE INDUSTRY, SO TO DO SOMETHING, TO DO A DEALERSHIP. UH, VERY NICE. AND, UM, UH, THEY, THEY HAVE DEVELOPED, UH, TECHNOLOGY TO HAVE A MOST OF THE PROCESS ONLINE. SO WHEN THEY RECEIVE CLIENTS ON THE DEALERSHIP, THEY, THEY PROVIDE THEM, UH, THIS, UH, VIRTUAL REALITY GOGGLES WHERE THEY CAN DO, PERFORM THE, THE TOUR INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THEY, THEY'VE BEEN, SO, THEY, THEY MOST, 80%, 90% OF THE PROCESS IS DOING ONLINE. THEY HAVE VERY LOW, LOW TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE, THE DEALERSHIP AT THIS TIME. THEY ARE EXPANDING. AND THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS IN SAN ANTONIO IS THEIR, THEIR HEADQUARTER. AND, UH, THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, DEVELOPING THE PROPERTIES HERE. THE, THE ZONING, THE, THE PROPOSED ZONING, THE C TWO WITH THE SPECIFIC QUEUES FOR THE MANUFACTURER HOME, UH, DEALERSHIP AS WE, WE THING. AND IT WAS PROPOSED 'CAUSE IT'S THE ONE THAT ALLOWS TO USE FOR THE PROPERTY. UH, RIGHT NOW THERE IS, UH, THE AREA IS NOT, UH, COMPLETELY DEVELOPED. THERE IS ANOTHER, UM, COMPETITOR OR ANOTHER HOME MANUFACTURER, HOME DEALERSHIP, UH, UH, ABOUT A MILE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND, UH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE C TWO ALSO ZONING WOULD BE THE RIGHT, UH, ZONING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, THAT IS OUR, OUR PRESENTATION FOR THE PROJECT. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, AVAILABLE. OTHERWISE, UH, WE PROVIDED THAT. BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IT'S AVAILABLE. UH, THE STAFF HAS THAT AVAILABLE. OTHERWISE, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. FORGIVE ME ONE SECOND. UM, UM, ALRIGHT. THIS IS A COMMISSION, UH, DISTRICT THREE CASE COMMISSIONER MCGEE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, STEPH, CAN YOU PUT THE, THE, UH, SIDE PLAN UP? PLEASE APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. UM, SO, UM, MR. EDUARDO, I'M SO SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR, UH, LAST NAME. DITO. OKAY. I'M JUST GONNA CALL YOU. SORRY. DILORETO. YES. OKAY. . OKAY. I, UM, SO, SO IS THIS GONNA BE THE HEADQUARTERS HERE? NO, BASICALLY THAT WOULD BE THE DEALERSHIP IN SAN ANTONIO. THE, THE HEADQUARTERS THEY ARE IN, I MEAN, THE MAIN OFFICES ARE IN DOWNTOWN. OH, DOWNTOWN. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ONLY TWO EMPLOYEES IN THIS, UH, THE DEALERSHIP. TWO EMPLOYEES. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT. AND SO THEN I SEE A NUMBER OF, UH, PARKING SPACES THERE. HOW MANY, ABOUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES IS THAT? UH, JUST ONE SECOND. I HAVE IT HERE ON MY SCREEN. SO WE HAVE, UM, 15, UH, WE HAVE 22, I'M SORRY, 22 PARKING, UH, WITH FOUR 80 EIGHTS. OKAY. AND YOU SAID, SO THERE'LL BE ONE, UH, MODEL HOME, AND YOU SAID 11 TO 12 INVENTORY? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE DAYS AND HOURS OF OPERATION? THEY WORK MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY UNTIL FIVE. FROM, FROM 9:00 AM THROUGH 5:00 PM OKAY. AND, AND CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT, UM, THE SIGNAGE, UM, ON THE SITE PLAN? LET ME SEE IF I COULD, IS IT ON THE SITE PLAN ON MY GLASSES? IT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN YET. YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. THE SIGNAGE. UH, WE, WE HAVE A P P R WITH THE CITY ON FEBRUARY THE 18TH TO, YOU KNOW, GO OVER SOME, SOME, SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE SUBMITTING FOR PERMITTING. UM, BUT YES, THERE WILL BE A SIGN ASSIGNED PERMIT. UH, WE, WE, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE DINING WILL BE ON THE, ON THE LEFT, I MEAN THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE LEFT OF THE SITE PLAN. OKAY. AND, UM, SO I SEE, UM, THE LANDSCAPING. [03:50:01] UM, OKAY, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. SO I THINK PROBABLY THE COUNCIL OFFICE WILL PROBABLY HAVE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE INPUT. DID YOU, UM, I, I THINK AS A FRIDAY I HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM YOU ALL IN THE COUNCIL OFFICE, HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM Y'ALL. DID YOU HAVE PLANS TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNCIL OFFICE? UM, YES, DEFINITELY. DEFINITELY. YES. UM, I, YES, YES, DEFINITELY. YES. THE ANSWER IS YES. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, ADVISABLE. BUT I, FOR, FOR NOW, AS FAR AS WHAT I CAN TELL FOR LAND USE AND ZONING, UM, I, UH, THINK THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I THINK IT'S KIND OF COOL THE VR UH, SALES CONCEPT. BUT I, I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THEY MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT OF. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER MCGEE BACK TO YOU. OKAY. UM, SO I, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 21, 1 SECOND MOTION FOR APPROVAL. AND SECOND. AND COMMISSIONER KAMATH PROVIDED THE SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION. BESIDES THAT, THAT'S THE WRONG, UM, ADDRESS ON THE SCREEN. UH, YES. I THINK, UH, BESIDES THAT, ITEM NUMBER 21, WHICH SHOULD BE GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 14,000 BLOCK OF SOUTH IH 37, UM, GO. YES, WE HADN'T GOT THE OLD, WE DIDN'T CLOSE OUT THE OLD POWERPOINT. THAT WAS NOT CORRECT. WE, SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO NOW LOOKING AT THIS ITEM, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, UH, BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KAMATH, UH, ANY DISCUSSION COUNT, UH, COMMISSIONERS? I AM SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL VOTE. DR. JOE? YES. MR. PAYMENTS? UH, YES. MR. WE? HI. DR. ROMERO? YES. MR. GIBBONS? YES. MR. WHITE? YES. MR. MCDANIEL? YES. MR. MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER GR HOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. CHAIR ANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. 11 ZERO. ALRIGHT. VERY GOOD. STAFF. I BELIEVE THAT WAS OUR LAST ITEM BESIDES MINUTES. ITEM [26. 21-1126 Consideration and Approval of the December 15, 2020 Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes] NUMBER 26. UH, COMMISSIONERS, HAVE YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO REVIEW OR RECEIVE THE COM UH, MINUTES FOR THE DECEMBER 15TH, 2020 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING? AND IF SO, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS? HEARING AND SEEING NONE. IS THERE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SIPS? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UH, FROM VICE CHAIR SIPES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER. WHITE. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. MR. ? YES. COMMISSIONER AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. MR. GIBBONS? YES. MR. WRIGHT? YES. MR. MCDANIEL? YES MA'AM. MR. MCGEE? YES. MR. AU? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES IS 11 ZERO. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. UH, I BET YOU WHEN YOU ELECTED ME EACH CHAIR, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE EXPECTED QUITE AS MUCH YELLING FROM ME OR SCREAMING FROM MY DAUGHTER, . UH, [03:55:01] BUT HERE WE ARE AGAIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST, NOPE. YES, SORRY. COULD SO, YES. COULD STAFF TELL ME WHAT CASE NUMBER WAS THAT HISTORIC HOUSE OR ITEM NUMBER? WE, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. AND IT WAS OH THREE MONTANA. THAT WAS, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. YES MA'AM. YES. I'M IN 10. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU ALL AND NOW THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.