* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] OKAY, WE'RE LIVE. [Roll Call ] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 3RD, 2021. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ FISH GIBBS. HERE. VELASQUEZ HERE. AREOLA HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. RUBE. HERE. BOWMAN BETTS. HERE. LA HERE. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES. FOR THE MEETING. I INTERPRET. THANK YOU. MAY I GET THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, PLEASE? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. THE [Chairman’s Statement ] MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES. THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL CASES ON THE AGENDA, AS WELL AS TO MINIMIZE THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING. APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, FIRST WE DO HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARDING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. UM, LOOKING ON YOUR SCREEN AS THE CASE LIST. ITEM NINE, PLEASE NOTE HAS BEEN POSTPONED FOR, UM, COMPLIANCE RESOLUTION AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, WE DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS FOR THOSE CASES FOR THAT CASE. UM, BUT THERE WILL BE FUTURE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMENT, UH, WILL BE THE CASE RETURNS. UM, ON THE IN INDIVIDUAL AGENDA, YOU'LL SEE THAT ITEM 16, 18, AND 20 HAVE ALSO BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT AND NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, SO FROM HERE I WILL [Public Comments ] BEGIN BY READING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS PROVIDED FOR ITEMS OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, THE FIRST WE HAVE COMMENTS FOR ITEM NUMBER 1 7 32 NORTH PINE. THE FIRST COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT. UM, THE GARAGE SHOULD NOT BE DEMOLISHED. IT REPRESENTS A RARE PART OF OUR HISTORIC STREET SCAPE. THE OWNER HAS NO NEED TO DEMOLISH IT. IT HAS NOT BEEN ORDERED DEMOLISHED BY THE CITY, AND HE'S NOT PLANNING TO BUILD IN ITS PLACE. THERE ARE NO FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO DO OR NOTHING. AT MOST, THERE IS NO FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO DO OR NOTHING AT MOST SAFEGUARD THE STRUCTURE. THE TIME FOR THIS INVESTOR TO DETERMINE A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP IS WHEN WE PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. UH, WE SHOULD NOT SUBSIDIZE THE DEMOLITION OF OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO HIS LACK OF DUE DILIGENCE. THE REAR PORCH SHOULD BE LEFT OPEN AS ORIGINAL GAINED. WINDOWS ARE NOT IN ANY WAY A TRADITIONAL METHOD TO ENCLOSE A PORCH. REAL WOOD WINDOWS NEED MULANS TO CONCEAL THE WEIGHT POCKETS. UM, THE NEXT FOR THIS CASE COMES FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UM, THEY OPPOSE THE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE, WHICH SERVES AS A SUBORDINATE STRUCTURE BETWEEN 7 32 NORTH PINE AND NINE 12 BURNETT. THIS GARAGE APPEARS SIMILAR IN STYLE AND AGE TO THE ADJACENT ARTS AND CRAFT STYLE BUNGALOW AT NINE 12 BURNETT. THOSE STRUCTURES APPEAR ON THE 1931 SAND BOARD MAP. ALTHOUGH IN NEED OF REPAIR, THE GARAGE RETAINS CHARACTER DEFINING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SUCH AS WARDEN BATTEN WOOD SIDING AND ECLIPSED CABLE ROOF WITH EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS AND DISTINCTIVE BARN STYLE DOORS. REPAIRING THE GARAGE WOULD PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED SHELTERED OFF STREET PARKING. UM, THE THIRD COMMENT FOR THIS CASE, UH, COMES FROM, UH, A GROUP OF MEMBERS, UH, CONCERNED CITIZENS IN THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD [00:05:01] OR HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, WE DID NOT SUPPORT O HP'S REID RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXHIBITING GARAGE, UH, STRUCTURE WITH STYLE DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS INTACT. THE OWNER HAS PROVIDED AN ESTIMATE FOR REPAIR FROM HIS GENERAL CONTRACTOR WHO PROVIDED THE COST THAT THE OWNER FOUND EXCESSIVE, AS STATED BY THE OWNER COSTS TO REHABILITATE THAT DETACHED GARAGE DOES NOT FIT WITH THE OWNER'S PERSONAL DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES OF THE PROPERTY. WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT TWO EXISTING DWELLING UNITS WITH TENANTS AND A WELL-KNOWN AND DEFINED AS STORE DISTRICT ON, UH, 9,447 SQUARE FOOT CORNER LOT WOULD RARELY BE CONSIDERED A HARDSHIP FOR A PROPERTY FREELY PURCHASED LESS THAN SIX MONTHS AGO. UM, THE NEXT COMMENTS COME FOR, UM, ITEM FOUR, UM, THE STREET NAME CHANGE. UM, IT IS THE FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. IT'S THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO'S POSITION TO A POST STREET NAME CHANGES WITHIN THE ORIGINAL 36 SQUARE MILE BOUNDARY OF SAN ANTONIO AT THE NEXUS FOR ITEM 5 7 26 FREDERICKSBURG. UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF THE RECENT DESIGNATION OF THE LIZ DAVIES GREEN SPACE AT 7 26 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT MET FIVE OF THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION OF THE LANDMARK AS A LANDMARK, BUT BECAUSE WE HOPED LANDMARK STATUS WOULD FOCUS ATTENTION ON THE PARS LACK OF MAINTENANCE AND INTRUSION OF UTILITY BOXES. THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU TODAY NOT ONLY REDUCES THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF USABLE SHADED GREEN SPACE, IT ADDS MORE INTRUSIONS INTO THE PARKLET BY CUTTING OFF, BY CUTTING OUT A NEW BASE BUS LANE ON FREDERICKSBURG AND COMPENSATING WITH ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE ALONG MICHIGAN AND FRENCH PLACE UTILITY BOXES ARE POSITIONED EVEN FURTHER INTO THE GREEN SPACE. CONSOLIDATION AND MINIMIZATION OF THESE INTRUSIONS SHOULD BE THE FIRST PRIORITY. TREES WILL BE LOST ALONG FREDERICKSBURG ROAD AND THERE IS NO LANDSCAPE PLAN BEING OFFERED, NOR HAS THERE BEEN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS PLAN. WE ARE DUE NOT TO APPROVE IT UNTIL THESE SIGNIFICANT FAILINGS ARE ADDRESSED. AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE A, UH, LIVE COLLAR FOR ITEM 11. UM, RACHEL, DO YOU HAVE LISA ON THE LINE? YES, I DO. OKAY, GO AHEAD LISA. HI. THANK YOU. THIS IS LISA. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. OUR COMMITTEE CONSIDERED THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE STAFF SUGGESTED STIPULATION TO MODIFY THE PROPOSED PORCH ROOF FORM TO BE A LOW PITCH OR FLAT ROOF. WHILE THE IDEA MAY RELATE TO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BETTER, WHEN VIEWED FROM THE BACK CORNER OF THE LOT, IT WILL INTRODUCE A NEW ROOF FORM TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURES. THE PROPOSED EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING ROOF FORM IS MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WHEN VIEWED FROM THE DRIVEWAY SIDE. SINCE THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS TO THE REAR AND COMPLETELY CONCEALED TO VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS DESIGNED. THANK YOU. HEY, AFTER HEARING PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT, DO WE DO COMMISSIONERS WISH [CONSENT AGENDA ] TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? UM, WAS THAT SCOTT? SCOTT, YOU'RE HAVING THOSE AUDIO PROBLEMS AGAIN. UM, COULD YOU TRY TO RECONNECT POTENTIALLY? UM, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE ANY THIS COMMISSIONER, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, I YOU THAT, UM, I WANTED TO APPLAUD STAFF. I, I THINK THE, UH, LOCAL MARKERS PROGRAM IS PRETTY COOL AND EXCITING. UM, SO EXCITED TO SEE THAT. WE'RE EXCITED AS WELL. UM, IT DOES SEEM LIKE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER INTENDED TO PULL SOME ITEMS, SO WE'RE GONNA WAIT FOR HIM TO RECONNECT. UM, IF HE CAN HEAR ME, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU TRY TO CALL IN, UM, FOR AUDIO. THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A VISUAL ON YOU AS WELL. COREY, WHILE WE WAIT ON HIM TO CALL BACK, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM ONE. OKAY. WE'LL HIGHLIGHT THAT ON THE SCREEN. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER UNE. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM THREE. WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. HOPEFULLY I [00:10:01] OKAY. CHAIRMAN FETZER, I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOU TO DETERMINE HOW LONG WE WAIT AND WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE STEP HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. YES. OKAY. MY APOLOGIES. NOW. I WAS TRYING TO PULL ITEM NUMBER ONE NOW. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER , ITEM ONE. PERFECT. OKAY. UM, IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHERS, WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO, FOUR THROUGH EIGHT AND 10 THROUGH 12. MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I MOVE FOR APPROVALS OF ITEMS TWO FOUR THROUGH EIGHT 10 THROUGH 12 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. AS FOR THE CASES NOTED, DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL OR CAN THIS BE BY ACCLAMATION? LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ. I'M SORRY. GIBBS. AYE. QUEZ. AYE. AREOLA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUBE AYE BETS? AYE. . AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, SO THOSE ITEMS HAVE PASSED, UM, AND STAFF WILL REACH OUT TO YOU REGARDING NEXT STEPS. UM, SO THAT BRINGS US [1. 21-1417 Address/Description: 732 N PINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-575 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant:John Perez/Castilla's Construction Request: Demolition of accessory structure, rear porch enclosure City Council Dist.: 2 ] TO ITEM 1 7 32 NORTH PINE. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE WITH THE APPLICANT? I AM. I HAVE THE APPLICANT. MR. JOHN PAUL PEREZ ON THE LINE. NOW, MR. PEREZ, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE QUESTIONS BOTH FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER GIBBS. OKAY. SO, UM, I'LL GO FIRST. UM, MY QUESTIONS ARE BRIEF, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ITEM. UM, SO YOU'VE, UM, HEARD THE OPPOSITION FROM THE, UM, CONSERVATION SITE AS WELL AS, UM, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL, UM, DISTRICT I SEE HERE THAT THE, YOU RECOMMEND, WELL, YOU WANTED DEMOLITION AND IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN NOVEMBER. UM, BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION. IT WASN'T, UH, YOU DIDN'T GET THE APPROVAL FOR ZONING, SO THEREFORE YOU STILL WANT TO DO THE, THE DEMOLITION FOR THAT. SO, UM, JUST WANT TO HEAR YOUR REASONING AND THOUGHTS BEHIND THAT SINCE THERE'S SOME OPPOSITION TO YOUR, TO YOUR, UM, PROPOSAL. SURE. SO, UM, THE, I'M, I'M REPRESENTING, UH, THE INVESTOR MAJESTIC, UH, INVESTMENT. AND, UM, I, I'M, I'M SUPPORTING THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE, UH, THE COORDINATION WITH O H P AND COSA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE, THE APPROPRIATE COAS AND THE PERMITS NECESSARY. SO, UM, ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE TAPPED, UH, TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE, I WAS UNAWARE THAT, UH, HE WAS IN PROCESS OF REZONING. AND SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION, UM, AND ME NOT KNOWING HIS STRATEGY, BUT, BUT ULTIMATELY, I, I WAS AWARE, UM, THAT HE WANTED TO, UH, REMOVE THE GARAGE. AND SO THAT WAS THE, THE INITIAL, UM, UH, ONE OF THE INITIAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND AS PART OF REMOVING THE GARAGE, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT, WE WERE NOT GONNA REMOVE THE GARAGE, TAKE IT DOWN AND, AND THROW AWAY. WE, WE FOUND THAT WE COULD RECLAIM THE MATERIAL AND THAT WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO RECLAIM THE, THE MATERIAL ON THE CURRENT REHAB THAT'S, UH, UNDERWAY FOR 7 32 NORTH PINE AND NINE 12, UH, BURNETT. AND SO, SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY THREE UNITS. ONE OF THE, THE PRO THE, UM, THE TWO STORIES ON PINE, AND THAT'S TWO UNITS, OF COURSE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE SINGLE UNIT ON BURNETT. SO WE'RE RUNNING THREE UNITS OF REHABBING THE INTERIOR. UM, THE, THE OWNER WISHED TO, UM, THROW IN THE MIX, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE, UM, THE CONCEPT OF ENCLOSING THE PORCH. SO WE FOUND, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY THERE TO UTILIZE, AGAIN, THE RECLAIMED WOOD OR FROM THE GARAGE AND, UM, INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE ENCLOSED PORCH. SO WE'RE FINDING THAT WE'RE COUPLING THE ENCLOSED PORCH AND THE CURRENT REHAB, UH, WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE IF IT'S APPROVED BY RECLAIMING THE, THE LUMBER AND THE BOARD AND BATS. UM, I KNOW I, I'VE RECEIVED SOME, UM, CONCERN BY THE HOMEOWNERS ABOUT A STREET, STREET STATE AND, UM, LOSING ITS VALUE. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THAT DETACHED GARAGE AND UNDER ITS CONCURRENT CONDITION, UM, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE COSTLY TO THE OWNER IF HE [00:15:01] HAD TO, UM, REHAB IT AND, AND BRING IT FUNCTIONAL AND, AND FOR HIS STRATEGY TO BRING A GARAGE, UM, FOR TENANTS, UM, OR RESIDENTS. UH, AND, AND, UM, AND THOSE THREE DWELLINGS, IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY, BUT WE'RE THINKING THAT IT'S, IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS, UM, AND, AND A BETTERMENT TO THE COMMUNITY IF THAT AREA WAS, WOULD BE, UM, UTILIZED AS A OUTDOOR SPACE AND A SPACE FOR THE PRIVATE FOLKS TO GATHER. 'CAUSE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE FOR THEM TO GATHER, UM, ON, ON NICE WEEKENDS FOR BARBECUE. SO WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO, TO OPEN THAT SPACE UP. UM, I, I WANNA, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE ADDRESS THE, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S COMMENTS AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I THINK THAT BY PRESERVING THE, THE DETACHED GARAGE, UM, THAT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY OPTION TO CONSERVE. I, I, I FEEL THAT RECLAIMING IS, IS ALSO A CONCEPT OF, OF CONSERVATION. AND, UM, AND NOW'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO USE THAT METHOD, UH, WITH OUR CURRENT REHAB THAT'S UNDERWAY. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND GOING BACK TO RECLAIMING, AND AGAIN, I KNOW I'M PROBABLY, I, I MIGHT BE OVERSTATING IT, BUT I, I THINK IT'S WORTH IT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN RECLAIMING MATERIAL IN SAN ANTONIO FOR YEARS, YOU KNOW, MAY, MAYBE HUNDREDS OF YEARS, UM, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF, OF THE CONCEPTION OF THE, OF THE, OF THE CITY. AND SO RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, UM, TO PRACTICE THAT RECLAIMING, UH, EFFORT. UM, ESPECIALLY WHILE WE'RE UNDERWAY WITH, UM, THE REHAB. NOW, WE COULD USE THE MATERIAL AGAIN FOR THE PORCH ENCLOSURE. WE COULD USE THE RECLAIMING MATERIAL FOR SOME SHELVING THAT'S GONNA GO, UH, UH, IN THE CLOSET SPACES. UH, WE COULD REUSE THE, THE MATERIAL FOR SOME TRIM WORK THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, INSTALLED. UH, WE'LL NEED TO, WE'LL NEED SOME MATERIAL FOR, UH, REPAIRING OF WINDOWS. SO THERE'S MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO, UM, MEET THIS CHALLENGE AND, AND, UM, AND UTILIZE THE RESOURCES THAT ARE, UH, IN FRONT OF US NOW. UM, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, AGAINST KEEPING IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK TODAY, UH, WHERE WE STAND TODAY RIGHT NOW IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COME IN AND UTILIZE AND RECLAIM, UM, UH, WITH THE, UM, THE INVESTOR STRATEGY TO, UM, UH, TO USE THE WOOD, AND ALSO AT THE SAME TIME CREATING A SPACE THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE, THE RESIDENTS OF, UH, OF THOSE THREE UNITS. OKAY. THANK YOU, UM, FOR THAT, THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR REASONING BEHIND THAT. AND THEN ALSO JUST GIVE MORE CLARIFICATION. UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS HANDLED THE, UH, THE QUESTIONS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, THAT'S IT FOR ME, GLORIA. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UH, ONE FOR STAFF AND ONE FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR STAFF SINCE THE PREVIOUS DEMOLITION WAS APPROVED, BUT IT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION. UH, CAN THE COMMISSION, IF THEY DE DECIDE TODAY, CAN THEY REVOKE THAT DEMOLITION APPROVAL? YEAH, I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY THIS IS A REVISED REQUEST. UM, OUR CODE IS WRITTEN AWAY WHERE IT REALLY DOES CONSIDER, IT'S INTENDED TO CONSIDER DEMOLITIONS AGAINST PROPOSALS FOR WHAT THE REPLACEMENT IS. AND SO HERE, THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT. UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF A SITE PLAN FOR A GREEN SPACE THAT WAS DESCRIBED, BUT IT IS, IT IS A REVISION TO THE PREVIOUS REQUEST. SO IT'S, IT COULD BE TREATED LIKE A NEW ITEM. UM, BUT ALSO, SO I MEAN, A CERTIFICATE WAS NEVER ISSUED FOR THE PREVIOUS REQUEST BECAUSE THAT WAS CONTINGENT ON APPROVAL OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE'S NO NEED TO RESEND THAT. YEAH. AND THEN A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, THAT COREY JUST MENTIONED THAT, UM, YOU DESCRIBED THE GREEN SPACE IN AN OUTDOOR SPACE TO BE SHARED BY THE RESIDENTS ON EITHER SIDE, BUT, UH, YOU DO NOT HAVE A PROPOSED SITE PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. UM, CURRENTLY, UM, WE ARE NOT ENGAGED WITH THE OWNER, UM, TO [00:20:01] PERFORM THOSE SERVICES. HE MAY HAVE, UH, ANOTHER, UH, DESIGN TEAM, UH, IN MIND, BUT IF, IF WE WERE TO BE, UM, TAPPED, WE COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY, UM, UM, REACH OUT TO SOME LOCAL LANDSCAPE, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS TO DELIVER THAT, UM, THAT SERVICE. OKAY. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, IF DEMOLITION IS, UM, APPROVED, UH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PROVIDE AS-BUILT DRAWINGS OF THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, TO, UM, HAND OVER TO THE CITY AS, UH, AS OF A, A LARGE SIGNIFICANT GARAGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, YOUR QUESTION WAS, AM I WILLING TO PROVIDE AS BUILTS OF THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE? YES, I, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT, UM, BE REJECTED. I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE WILLING TO PROVIDE THAT, UM, THAT AS A STIPULATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIRMAN? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, UH, THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT AN AS-BUILT, UH, SET OF DRAWINGS BE, UH, DELIVERED TO, UH, O H P WITHIN A THREE MONTH PERIOD OF TIME. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. VELAZQUEZ. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND AS NOTED? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? JU NAY VELAZQUEZ? YES. AREOLA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP? AYE. UH, ESTHER. TED LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT [3. 21-1442 Address/Description: 511 VILLITA ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-034 Landmark Name: Dashiell House Historic District Name: La Villita RIO District:RIO-1 Applicant: Sam Panchevre Request: Leveling patio, adding ADA access ramp and lift, and fence relocation City Council Dist.: 1 ] IS ITEM 3 5 11 B STREET. UM, THIS WAS PULLED BY COMMISSIONER LFO, AND I BELIEVE, ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THE APPLICANT. RACHEL, LET'S UNMUTE. RACHEL. UH, WHERE'D SHE GO? YOU, YOU SHOULD BE THERE, RACHEL? YES, YES. OKAY. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. YES. THANK YOU. YES, THIS IS COMMISSIONER UNE. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THE SITE PLAN ON SHEET FOUR. UH, BEGINNING AT THE LEFT EDGE OF THE PLAN, THERE'S AN INDICATION OF REMOVAL OF SOME WALLS AND STEPS, BUT THERE'S NO INDICATION OF WHAT REPLACES THOSE. ONE WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT LEVEL IS RAISED TO THE, TO MATCH THE LEVEL OF THE UPPER PATIO, BUT THERE'S NO INDICATION OF THAT. YES, SIR. UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE, WE'RE PUTTING A, A LIFT FOR A D A ON THAT SIDE. UM, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN, UM, BY LEVELING IT, WE PUT AN E LIFT AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE ACCESS, UH, WITH WHEELCHAIR ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION IS THE, THE INTERMEDIATE LEVEL THAT YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE TAKING OUT THE STEPS THAT WILL BE RAISED, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE PAVING, THERE WILL BE FLAGSTONE TO MATCH EXISTING AT THAT LEVEL THERE? IT'S BRICK ACTUALLY. THE, THE, THE FLAGSTONE IS ONLY ON THE LOWER. YES, SIR. SO YEAH, WE'RE MATCHING WITH THE, WITH BRICK. OKAY. UH, SECOND QUESTION IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE PLAN WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING A NEW, UH, RAILING, IS THERE ALSO A NEW WALL BENEATH THAT? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME, SAME, UM, THE SAME WALL THAT'S THERE NOW, BUT SINCE YOU'RE, UM, RAISING THE LEVEL, IT, IT CREATES BASIC, YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME, UH, YOU HAVE TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF RAILING ON THAT WALL, SO IT'D BE MAYBE, PROBABLY A TWO FEET WORTH OF RAILING TO MATCH THE EXISTING RAILING THAT WE HAVE ON THE RIVERSIDE. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE [00:25:01] DEMOING A, A WALL UNDER A PORTION OF THE RAILING, BUT THEN IT EXTENDS FARTHER OUT AND CURVES AROUND WHAT HAPPENS THERE? RIGHT. LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS. I'M, I'M, I'M ON THE PHONE, GENTLEMEN, RIGHT. UH, LADIES RIGHT NOW. SO I'M KIND OF DOING IT IN MY HEAD. . SO ARE YOU TALKING, UM, YOU'RE TALKING EXACTLY. WHERE ARE YOU TALKING? WHERE WE ARE LEVELING THE, THE FLOOR WITH THE BRICK, THE ADDITIONAL BRICK? NO, ON THAT AREA? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT TO THE RIGHT OF THE PLAN WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING, UH, NEW CONCRETE PAD. AH, OKAY. AND A RAILING, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE ARE DOING THE SAME RAILING THAT WE HAVE ON THE RIVER WALL THERE. THAT'S GONNA BE A FULL RAILING BECAUSE IT'S A STICK. IT'S A, IT'S A 42 INCH RAILING. BUT IS THERE A NEW WALL UNDER THE RAILING? NO, THERE'S NO WALL. IT'S A STRAIGHT, IT'S A STRAIGHT PATIO. IT'S BASICALLY EXTENDING THE PATIO THAT, THAT WE HAVE THERE. AND THE PATIO THAT YOU, WE HAVE THERE DOESN'T HAVE A RAILING. SO BY EXTENDING IT, WE DECIDE TO PUT A RAILING AROUND IT AS A SAFETY PRECAUTION. BUT THERE'S A LEVEL YOU'RE TALKING YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ROUGHLY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET UP ON THAT, ON THAT. SO IT, IT NEEDS A RAILING FOR THAT. OKAY. BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A LEVEL CHANGE BETWEEN THE LOWER PATIO AND THAT INTERMEDIATE PATIO. THAT'S CORRECT. AND ON THAT INTERMEDIATE PATIO, WE HAVE A RAILING, UH, THERE'S A BETTER SLIDE, UM, THAT SHOWS THE, FROM THE SIDE, I'M SORRY. OH, THAT'S THE RAMP. YEAH. SO THE RAMP GOES UP TO THE LEVEL, RIGHT? THAT LEVEL TO THE NEXT, TO THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THAT IS, UH, THOSE ARE, THAT LEVEL IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW, AND YOU HAVE STEPS THERE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO THERE'S NO RAILING NECESSARY. BUT WHEN YOU EXTEND THAT PATIO OUT A LITTLE BIT, AND YOU WILL HAVE TO NEED, YOU WILL NEED A RAILING BECAUSE THE STEPS WILL BE, UH, WILL BE DONE, YOU KNOW, WILL BE DONE BY HALF. YEAH. COMMERS, WE STEPS WILL BE TAKING, I'M SORRY, THIS IS THE BEST PHOTO WE HAVE OF THIS AREA. SO THE HOUSE HAS A BASEMENT LEVEL THAT COMES OUT THERE. UM, SO IT'S AN EXTENSION OF, OF THAT, THOSE THREE STAIRS IS GONNA BECOME A PATIO AT ABOUT THAT HEIGHT, AND THEN THE RAMP IS PROPOSED WHERE THAT ARROW IS. THAT'S RIGHT. SO ANOTHER QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAVE THE LIFT ON THE FAR SIDE OF, OF THE SITE, WHY DO YOU NEED THE RAMP THERE IN THE MIDDLE? BECAUSE FROM, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT NOW WE HAVE, NOW WE'RE BRINGING THIS DOWN TO YOU HAVE THE MAIN LEVEL WHEN YOU COME UP FROM LATA, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A RAMP FROM LATA DOWN TO THE MAIN LEVEL. THAT LEVEL GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE LIFT, THE LIFT GOES DOWN TO THE LOWER LEVEL, BUT THE HOUSE ITSELF SITS IN BETWEEN THE MAIN LEVEL AND THE LOWER LEVEL. SO TO GO BACK TO THE HOUSE, YOU HAVE TWO STEPS EXACTLY WHERE THE RAMP IS. SO NOW WE NEED THAT. I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT NOW YOU, BUT YOU HAVE A, YOU NEED A RAMP TO GO AFTER THOSE TWO STEPS AND NOT TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE HOUSE. UM, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. SO, SO YEAH. SO BASICALLY THOSE LEVELS ARE HALFWAY BETWEEN THE BUILD THE FLOORS. IF YOU THINK OF, YOU THINK IT THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, OR OFF, THEY'RE OFF OFFSET FROM THE FLOORS OF THE HOUSE. SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT LEVELS RIGHT NOW. THERE. I FEEL THAT IF THERE'S, UH, A RAMP ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED THERE, THAT THE DESIGN OF IT SHOULD BE, UM, REVISITED INSTEAD OF JUST A, A STRAIGHT SHOT THAT I, I THINK SOMETHING MORE LIKE A RAMP FOLLOWING THE CURVE OF THE EXISTING WALL WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. IT, IT DOES, IT DOES, SIR. THE RAMP DOES FOLLOW THE CURVE, THE EXISTING WALL AGAINST THE EXISTING WALL, AND, UH, IT ENDS RIGHT AT THE END OF THE, WHERE THE WALL DOES A CONTOUR. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT RAMP, IT'S ACTUAL, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF ROUNDED WITH THE WALL ITSELF. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON YOUR DOCUMENTS. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. YOU'RE SHOWING TWO DIFFERENT RAMP CONFIGURATIONS ON A 100. YOU'RE SHOWING THE CURVED RAMP, WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN HERE, BUT ON A 1 0 1, YOU'RE SHOWING A STRAIGHT SHOT RAMP. YES. AND THE REASON, THE REASON MR. CHAIRMAN IS THAT THE RAMP THAT'S CURVED IS A, UM, IT'S A PERMANENT RAMP, AND THE OTHER ONE [00:30:01] IS A MOVABLE RAMP LIKE YOU WOULD BUY, YOU KNOW, FOR, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU BUY THOSE RAMPS OUT THERE AND YOU PUT IT OUT. NOW WE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE, WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND, UH, AND THE CITY AND EVERYBODY WAS ON THE OPINION THAT THE, A PERMANENT RAMP WOULD BE BETTER THERE THAN THAT COULD BE, UH, DONE WITH THE SAME MATERIAL THAT'S EXISTING AND KIND OF MELT INSIDE THE WALL AND FOLLOW THE CONTOUR OF THE WALL. SO THERE'S BOTH OPTIONS. I PERSONALLY RATHER GO WITH THE PERMANENT RAMP. IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT WILL LOOK BETTER THERE THAN, THAN SOME, YOU KNOW, THOSE RAMPS THAT YOU BUY AND YOU JUST PUSH AGAINST THE, THE STEPS. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S VERY, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY GOOD LOOKING. SO, BUT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, TO THE, TO THE PERSON ON THE PHONE. I, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. UM, I WAS, I WAS THINKING, UH, ALONG THE SAME LINES AS, UH, COMMISSIONER UNE, UM, I THINK IT'LL, IT'LL BE A REALLY KIND OF A BEAUTIFUL LINE AND REALLY ADD TO THE, TO THE VISUAL ENERGY, BECAUSE FLAGSTONE CAN SOMETIMES BE REAL CONFUSING MATERIAL AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT IS, RIGHT? BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE THESE CURVING SWOOPS THAT TYPICALLY DON'T HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME AGO, THEY MM-HMM. , THEY ADD, UH, UM, KIND OF A, A, A BEAUTY TO THE MOVEMENT VISUALLY, UM MM-HMM. . SO I'M, I'M IMAGINING THAT THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND THERE IS NOT, THE, THE FLAT WORK AROUND THERE IS NOT HISTORIC. SO WHATEVER ALTERATIONS YOU'RE MAKING ARE, ARE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF PROVIDING EQUAL ACCESS RIGHT. TO, TO EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE THAT'S RIGHT. THE ENVIRONMENT THAT'S THERE. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO, I, I, I, I DO YOU, YOU KNOW, SPEND A LOT OF TIME DOING ED WORK, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIFT FOR, FOR THOSE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT NEED THAT MECHANICAL ASSISTANCE. BUT, BUT BY ALL MEANS, TRYING TO EXPAND THE, UH, THE, UH, I MEAN, AS WE SEE A D A AS A RIGHT, RIGHT. TO EQUAL ACCESS THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE LIKE TO, TO, TO, TO FEEL FREE TO GO UP A RAMP, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S IN THE CONTEXT OF STAIRS AND EVERYBODY ELSE'S, YOU KNOW, USING THE STAIRS. SO I THINK IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE SOLUTION. IT'S A VERY SPECIAL PLACE, I THINK, TO ALL OF US. UM, AND IT'S NICE TO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENT THAT REALLY, UH, EXPANDS ACCESS TO PEOPLE. SO I, I, I APPLAUD THE, THE THANK YOU, YOUR EFFORT. APPRECIATE IT. UH, COMMISSIONER LAO, AGAIN, UH, I STILL THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION FOR THE AREA. UH, WE PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY SPOKE ABOUT TO THE RIGHT OF THE PLAN WHERE THE RAILING IS. YES. UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE NEEDS TO BE A WALL UNDER THAT RAILING. IF, IF YOU'RE RAISING THAT AREA WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE NOTING A NEW CONCRETE PAD, UH, YES. IN ADDITION, THAT THAT PAD SHOULD BE FLAGSTONE TO MATCH THE EXISTING ADJACENT PAVING ALSO. IT IS. THAT'S CORRECT. IT, IT IS THAT WAY. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE MATCHING BASICALLY THE LOWER LEVEL, WHICH IS FLAGSTONE, AND THE FLAGSTONE GOES UP TO THE RIVER, AND, UM, AND THERE YOU HAVE THE RAILING THAT FOLLOWS ALONG THE RIVER SIDE. SO THAT PARTICULAR PAD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, UH, UM, BASICALLY IN THE ENTRANCE OF THAT, UH, LOWER LEVEL OF THE HOUSE, THE DASHEL HOUSE, THAT PARTICULAR PAD WILL BE FLAGSTONE TO MATCH THE EXISTING FLAGSTONE THAT WE HAVE ON THAT LEVEL AS WELL. IT'LL JUST BASICALLY BE A, A CONTINUATION OF WHICH YOU HAVE, AND THE RAILING WILL BE A SIMPLE, IT'S A SIMPLE METAL RAILING WITH A LITTLE BIT OF ORNAMENTAL LOOK TO IT ON THE RIVER. AND WE KINDA WANNA MATCH THAT. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LOOK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK, THE, IT WOULD LOOK BETTER IF YOU, IF YOU WALK IN THERE AND YOU THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME. YOU DON'T SEE A RAILING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS WITH A WALL, AND OVER THERE YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK PRETTY MUCH BETTER IF YOU HAVE THE SAME, BASICALLY THE SAME, UH, FLOOR WITH FLAGSTONES AND THE SAME TYPE OF RAILING THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA BEHIND THAT. NOW, IF, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO BUILD A WALL ON THAT PORTION, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT LIKE HOLES IN THE WALL FOR WATER. I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT BECOMES DIFFERENT. I MEAN, IT ALSO IS GONNA MAKE THE, THE, THE WALL THAT THE LITTLE ELEVATION, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET, IT'S GONNA MAKE THE ELEVATION HIGHER, AND IT'S GONNA LOOK THICKER THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT WALL TO PUT THE, UM, THE RAILING ON IT. UM, AND I THINK THE IDEA WAS TO KEEP IT AS LOW PROFILE AS [00:35:01] POSSIBLE WITH THE RAILING, SO IT WOULDN'T MAKE IT LIKE A BULKY ADDITION TO THE HOUSE OR TO THE, OR TO THE PATIO. THAT THAT WAS THE, UM, THE ARCHITECT'S IDEA TO, TO DO IT VERY LOW KEY, VERY SIMPLE VERSUS, UH, MORE COMPLICATED AND MORE BULKY. IF YOU, IF YOU CAN, THIS IS, IF YOU CAN VISUALIZE THAT, WE WILL GET, YEAH. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. COULD WE MOVE TO THE PICTURE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS, UH, DRAWING? YEAH. NOW TO THE RIGHT, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE AREA THAT COMMISSIONER LFO IS TALKING ABOUT. THE PLANTER IS COMING OUT, YOU'RE EXTENDING THE INTERMEDIATE, UH, PAVING OUT TO A NEW, UH, WHAT YOU'RE CALLING A NEW RAILING. UH, BUT THIS AREA DOES HAVE A LOW STONE WALL SUPPORTING THE PLANTERS. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE STILL GONNA BE A LOW STONE WALL SUPPORTING YOUR PATIO EXTENSION AND THEN A 42 INCH HIGH RAILING ON TOP OF THAT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S THE SAME LOOK ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO WHEN YOU, YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE, BASICALLY YOU HAVE THE, UM, YOU'RE BACK TO THE RIVER AND YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD, YOU'RE LOOKING, YOU'RE SEEING THIS ON THE ELEVATION ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET ELEVATION. THE FRONT OF THAT WILL BE STONE, JUST LIKE TO MATCH WHERE THE STONE IS ON THE WALL ON THE RIGHT SIDE, AND WHICH IS THERE NOW. AND ALSO ON THE RAMP. THE RAMP WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, WILL GO FROM ZERO, YOU KNOW, INCH, BASICALLY ALL THE WAY TO TWO AND A HALF FEET THICK, RIGHT WHEN YOU GO UP THE RAMP, AND THE SIDE OF THE RAMP WILL MATCH ALSO THE WALLS. SO IT WILL ALL BLEND IN TO WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THERE. OKAY. WELL, IT SOUNDS TO ME, AND COMMISSIONERS, OTHER COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE OTHER THOUGHTS THAT WE NEED SOME MORE DRAWINGS, MR. CHAIR ELEVATIONS FROM LOOK STANDING AT THE RIVER, LOOKING BACK AT THESE NEW RAILINGS AND WALLS AND THE RAMP SIDE OF THE RAMP. UH, JUST SOME MORE CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIR. UH, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN AND MY, MY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GRAPHIC SENSIBILITIES ARE TELLING ME THAT THE ITEM THAT IS LISTED AS NUMBER 10, THAT WITHOUT IT BEING AR ARROWED IS A RAILING. RIGHT. BUT THERE, DOES A RAILING GO DOWN TO THE LOWER LEVEL, OR DOES IT START AT THE INTERMEDIATE LEVEL THAT THE NEW CONCRETE PAD IS ON? WELL, THERE WOULD BE, THERE WOULDN'T BE A RAILING UNLESS IT WAS RAISED, SO THAT'S RIGHT. THE, THE RAILING, THE, THE RAILING INDICATES THE RAISE. SO IT'S VERY CLEARLY RAISED TO ME, THE ONLY, THE ONLY, UM, UH, PART THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED AS OTHER THAN WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT JUST THE LANGUAGE OF THE DRAWINGS SAY, IS THAT ONE DRAWING THAT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE THERE. THAT SHOWS THE METAL RAMP. TAKE THAT DRAWING OUT, THEN THE PLAN REALLY SAYS EVERYTHING. BECAUSE I'M WONDERING JUST, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, OF, UH, OF NOT COMPLICATING THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE PROJECT INTO A D R C AND ALL THAT, ALL MORE TIME, IS THAT IF STAFF, 'CAUSE MY INTERPRETATION IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PICTURES ARE WHAT IS INTENDED TO INFORM THE DESIGN DECISIONS THROUGHOUT. SO IF STAFF, UH, CAN, CAN, UH, BE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH THE ITEMS IN A MOTION, RIGHT, UH, UH, CLEAR WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, THAT THEY'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE IMAGES FOR THE WRT IRON, THAT THEY'RE GONNA, UH, THAT THAT'S WHERE THE RAIL IS ON THAT SECOND LEVEL THAT REALLY ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M HEARING, UH, US ASK ARE ANSWERED IN THAT DRAWING. WE COULD GET MORE DRAWINGS, BUT I, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A RAIL AT THE, AT THE BOTTOM LEVEL. YOU'D ONLY HAVE A RAIL AT THE TOP OF THIS IS DRAWING, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I, OOPS, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? ? YES, I CAN. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THE FEEDBACK. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, UH, UH, AGREE WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER LA. THERE, THERE'S A, A CRITICAL SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP THAT'S NOT BEING DOCUMENTED HERE IN THESE DRAWINGS. AND IT HAPPENS THERE AT THAT RAIL, AND YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A RETAINING WALL. UM, AND WHILE I CAN READ THE PLAN AND I CAN MAKE SUPPOSITIONS ABOUT HOW THAT'S BEING RESOLVED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT GETS DOCUMENTED CLEARLY. UM, SO I, I FEEL THOUGH THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WORKED THROUGH, UH, WITH O H P STAFF. UH, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE HERE. [00:40:01] I I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, THOUGH. FOR THE NEW RAMP THAT HAS SWITCHED FROM BEING THE METAL, WHICH I'M GLAD IT WAS NOT THE METAL, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD FEEL, UM, AND NOT APPROPRIATE IN THIS SETTING TO CONCRETE. IS THE OUTBOARD EDGE OF THAT RAMP GOING TO PARALLEL THE, THE RADIUS OF THE WALL THAT IT'S SLIDING DOWN THE SIDE? OR IS IT GOING OUT STRAIGHT INTO THAT INTERMEDIATE LANDING? NO, IT FOLLOWS THE RADIUS OF THE WALL, SIR. YEAH, IT HA YEAH. WE WANT TO FOLLOW THE RADIUS OF THE WALL AND TO BE 42 INCH WIDE TO, TO, TO, UH, TO BE AN A D A CODE. RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL DRAWING THAT I THINK IS MISSING HERE. 'CAUSE RIGHT. THE DRAWINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS A STRAIGHT LINE THAT DOESN'T, I, IT ISN'T RESPONDING TO THE RADIUS OF THE, UH, THE RETAINING WALL. THAT'S A . YEAH. AND, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'D, I'D LIKE TO CONNECT, ADD TO YOUR COMMENTS THAT, THAT YOU, I MEAN, I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD, AND, AND AT LEAST IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT I'M, I'M HOPING, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN HELP US, YOU KNOW, SET A, A STANDARD, RIGHT? THAT THOSE COMMENTS RECORDED BY STAFF PARTICULARLY LIKE THAT THE, THE LINE FOLLOWING THE RADIUS, UM, THAT, UH, IF, IF YOUR INTENTION IS TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THAT PUTS STAFF ACCOUNTABLE TO, TO THOSE ITEMS, THEN UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO BE YOUR SECOND. WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU, SIR. ITEM. THANK YOU, SIR. SOUNDS SOUNDS GOOD. UM, AND, AND OF COURSE THIS IS SUBJECT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S, UH, COMFORT LEVEL WITH THAT, BUT I DO FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, PARTICULARLY REGARDING THE ARCHEOLOGY AND, AND THAT, THAT SORT, BUT ALSO WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION THAT AN ADDITIONAL DETAIL BE, UH, PROVIDED SECTIONAL DETAIL THROUGH THE, UH, CONCRETE PAD AREA ADJACENT TO THE NEW BAR SHOWING THE RELATIONSHIP OF RETAINING WALL AND, UH, RAILING ABOVE AND AN UPDATED REVISED, UH, FLOOR PLAN AND SECTIONS OF THE, UH, HANDICAP RAMP THAT GOES SURE. OF THE EXISTING OUTDOOR PATIO UP TO THE INTERMEDIATE LEVEL. AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. I SECOND, I'D SECOND THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU NEED TO ADD THAT, THAT, THAT THAT SHEET THAT SHOWS THE METAL RAIL BE OMITTED IN ORDER TO, UH, PROVIDE, UH, RECORD CLARITY. YEAH, I, I, I ACCEPT THAT. AND, AND THIS IS TO BE REVIEWED BY REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY STAFF. SECOND. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, THE, THE TWO EXISTING TREES THAT ARE SHOWN, WILL THOSE BE RETAINED, UH, ON THE PATIO? YEAH. YES. YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A PALM TREE AND ALL THAT, YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? UM, WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COMMISSIONER FISH, SO FISH AYE. GIBBS. AYE. QUEZ. AYE. AREOLA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUBE. AYE. BETTS, SIR? AYE, LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. SO THAT BRINGS US, THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. [13. 21-1450 Address/Description: 918 N OLIVE ST/914 N OLIVE ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-557 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Ricardo Turrubiates Request: Construction of nine, 2-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2 ] THAT BRINGS US SHORT ITEMS, ADAM 13, I BELIEVE EDWARD HAS THE APPLICANT FOR THAT CASE. AND WE DO HAVE A RECUSAL CARPENTER IS GOING TO, UH, MUTE AND TURN OFF HIS VIDEO AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 25 57 9 14 AND NINE 18 NORTH OLIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT NON-RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT ADDRESSED AS NINE 14 AND NINE 18 NORTH OLIVE LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH R. THE OVERALL PROJECT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE BUILDING MASSING NUMBER OF STRUCTURES AND ARRANGEMENT OF DRIVEWAYS MUST BE REVISED FOR CO CONSISTENCY WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. AT MINIMUM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASE SETBACKS FOR EACH STRUCTURE FRONTING NORTH OLIVE TO MEET THE MEDIAN FRONT YARD SETBACK OF THE BLOCK BASE, OR INCREASE THE SETBACK FOR THE NORTHERNMOST TO ALIGN WITH THE HISTORIC HOME AT 9 28 NORTH OLIVE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASE, OR EXCUSE ME, TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT DECREASED MASSING ON SITE TO DEVELOPMENT ON SITE TO DEVELOP, IS NOTED IN FINDING F. REDUCTION IN BUILDING FOOTPRINT, ELIMINATION OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS, OR LOWERING OF THE HEIGHT TO SINGLE STORY FOR SOME STRUCTURES WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED ALLEY AND DRIVEWAYS BE REDUCED TO THE MINIMUM WIDTH THAT'S REQUIRED BY CODE. BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES NORMALLY RECOMMEND A 10 [00:45:01] FOOT DRIVEWAY, THE APPLICANT MUST DEMONSTRATE THAT EVERY ATTEMPT TO CONFORM HAS BEEN MADE. AND FOUR, THAT THE OVERALL BUILDING ELEVATIONS BE REVISED FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, IN PARTICULAR WITH RELATIONSHIP OF SOLID DEVOIDS FENESTRATION PATTERNS, WINDOW SIZES AND TYPES SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROPOSED DU DUPLEX PLAN CURRENTLY FEATURES A LARGE AREA ON THE FRONT FACADE THAT IS VOID A FENESTRATION FOR ANY ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL AND MUST BE REVISED ONCE THE PLAN HAS BEEN SUFFICIENTLY RE REVISED TO RECEIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. STAFF WILL FURTHER WILL PROVIDE FURTHER RECOMMENDATION REGARDING ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF INDIVIDUAL UNITS, INCLUDING FOUNDATION HEIGHTS, ROOF FORMS, MATERIALS, WINDOWS, SPECIFICATIONS, AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. I HAVE, UH, RICARDO FROM TERRAMARK ON THE LINE NOW, WHICH IS THE APPLICANT. GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMISSIONERS. UM, THIS IS RICARDO ES, UH, WITH TERRAMARK URBAN HOMES. UM, THANK YOU FOR, UH, INCLUDING US IN TODAY'S MEETING. UM, IF POSSIBLE, I LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, UH, WITH A PRESENTATION STARTING WITH PAGE 12 ON THE, UH, ON O P'S FINDING. RICARDO, GO AHEAD. UM, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW ALONG ON THE SLIDES. THERE WILL BE A DELAY ON YOUR END, SO IF YOU JUST TELL US WHAT SIDE TO GO TO, WE WILL ADVANCE, BUT DON'T HESITATE. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO, UM, TODAY'S, UM, REQUEST IS A CONCEPTUAL, UH, IT'S A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR ESSENTIALLY OUR, OUR SITE PLAN AND THE, UH, AND THE MASSING OF OUR, UH, PROPOSED BUILDINGS, UM, ALL WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, PLATTED, UH, AND INDIVIDUAL LOTS. UH, OUR LOT IS LOCATED AT, UH, 9 14 9 18 NORTH OLIVE STREET, AND IT'S PART OF THE OVERALL OF OUR OVERALL, UH, PINE HAZE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH, UM, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT, TO THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE HOW, UM, WE, WE OWN, UM, KIND OF THE LOWER THE, THE SOUTH EAST PORTION AND THE, UH, MOST OF THE NORTHWEST PORTION. AND THERE'S A CONNECTION, UM, THAT CONNECTS BOTH OF THEM. UM, WE ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY FROM THE, UH, CHURCHILL MEMORIAL CHURCH, UH, BACK IN 20, UH, BACK IN 2015. UM, THEY USED TO BE A GREAT, UH, A BEAUTIFUL CHURCH, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE CORNER OF, UM, HAYES AND PINE THAT BURNED DOWN IN 2013. UM, AFTER THAT, UH, TERRAMARK PURCHASED IT. UM, AND THEN IN 2016, WE ACTUALLY, UH, ZONED IT, UH, I D Z, UH, AND CONCURRENTLY ALSO, WE, WE WENT, UH, THROUGH A C C B O AGREEMENT, UM, AFTER OUR, UM, ZONING APPROVAL THAT, WHICH WAS IN JUNE. AND THEN IN DECEMBER, WE WENT THROUGH THE C C B O, UH, APPROVAL, UH, FOR 20 UNITS ON THE 1.65 ACRES, WHICH WOULD ENCOMPASS THE WHOLE PINE HAZE DEVELOPMENT. UH, SINCE THEN, WE'VE MANAGED TO BUILD FOUR, UH, OF THESE UNITS. WE'RE CURRENT, CURRENTLY BUILDING FOUR. AND, UH, THE PROPOSED 12 WOULD BASICALLY, UH, FINALIZE OUR C C O D C C D O AGREEMENT, UM, AND, AND, UH, CLOSED OUT OUR PINE HAYES PROJECT. THE, UH, ON, ON SLIDE NUMBER 14, UM, THIS IS JUST A MORE OF A CONTEXT, UH, CONTEXT, UH, EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE STREETSCAPES ON BOTH SIDES OF, UM, OF NORTH OLIVE. UM, WHICH KIND OF SHOWS. THERE'S, THERE IS A, ON OUR SIDE OF THE BLOCK, THERE'S A ONE STORY BUILDING, NINE 10 NORTH OLIVE, UM, AND THEN TO THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR, OUR PROPERTY THAT IS, UH, 9 28 NORTH OLIVE. IT'S A TWO STORY, UM, WHICH WE BELIEVE HAS BEEN CONVERTED INTO A RENT CODE. UH, THERE'S LIKE FOUR, FOUR UNITS, UM, THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING OUTSIDE IN, IN THAT. UH, AND THEN IN THE FRONT, UM, THERE IS, UH, ONE HOME, 9 27 NORTH OLIVE, WHICH IS ALSO, UH, ONE STORY. AND THEN TO THE, AND THEN A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, THERE'S A, UH, TWO STORY, UH, WHICH IS, UH, 9 0 3 NOTICE OLIVE, THAT ONE WHICH FACES, UM, I BELIEVE, UM, HAYES. AND THE NEXT EXHIBIT, UH, IS OUR PRELIMINARY OR OUR SIDE PLAN, WHICH [00:50:01] SHOWS, YOU KNOW, UM, WE, WE PLAN ON BUILDING, UM, THESE THREE HOMES THAT WE'LL BE FACING NORTH OLIVE STREET. WE, YOU KNOW, WE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO, UH, ACCOMPLISH IN THE SIDE PLAN IS THE CONTINUITY OF, OF THAT STREETSCAPE OF ON NORTH OLIVES AND MINIMIZING THE CURB CUTS. UM, SO, AND THEN, AND THEN IN THE BACK OF THOSE, WE HAVE ANOTHER THREE, THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND THEN ON THE THIRD ROW, WE HAVE A, UH, THREE DUPLEXES, UM, WHICH WILL BE, YEAH, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE, UM, LOWER SQUARE FOOTAGES. UM, WE DID SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR AT AN URBAN, AT ALLWOOD PROJECT, JUST A BLOCK AWAY, UM, THAT WE'RE A BIG HEAD, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THE, UH, THESE KIND OF LOWER MARKET, UM, UM, THESE MARKET RATE, UH, UNITS AT A, YOU KNOW, A LOWER PRICE, UM, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A RANGE OF, OF PRICES IN, IN THIS COMMUNITY. UH, ANOTHER, A FEW MORE FEATURES ON THE SITE PLAN IS OUR 20 FOOT COMMON DRIVE. UM, EARLIER IN THE WEEK, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO OWNED THIS, OR, UM, IF YOU KNOW WHO OWNED THIS, I THINK THERE IS SOME, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IF IT WAS A, ACTUALLY A PUBLIC ALLEY. UM, WE'VE CONFIRMED WITH, UM, WE'VE CONFIRMED WITH THE CITY, UH, AT PUBLIC WORKS THAT IT INDEED, INDEED IS OUR, UH, A PRI PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT'S NEVER BEEN AN ALLEY. UM, SO WE WILL CONTINUE THAT 25TH COMMON DRIVE THAT WILL THEN CONNECT TO OUR EXISTING COMMON DRIVE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE OFFICE. THE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, UM, DRIVES THAT WILL GO NORTH, UH, AND FEED, FEED ALL THESE HOMES THROUGH THE REAR, WILL BE TRUE GRID, UM, PERMEABLE TO REDUCE THE STORMWATER, UH, RUNOFF. AND, AND OVERALL IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT. WE'VE USED IT IN MANY OF OUR HOMES. UM, WE'VE ALSO EXTENDED THAT TRUE GRID AT OUR, UH, WARE PLANS TO ENCOMPASS ALL, ALL THOSE PARKING SPOTS. SO ALL THE PARKING SPOTS FOR THE DUPLEXES WILL ALSO BE TRUE GRID FOR MINIMIZING THE, THE RUNOFF ON THAT PLAN. UM, AND LASTLY ON, YOU KNOW, WE PLAN ON BUILDING A, UM, UH, A SMALL LANDSCAPE, A LINEAR PARK RIGHT THERE THAT WILL HAVE A SMALL DEPRESSION, AND WE HOPE TO GATHER MOST OF THE RUNOFF, UH, FROM THOSE, UH, MIDDLE TWO, UM, MIDDLE TWO ROWS. AND JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP US BRING THE RUNOFF ONTO THAT FEED ALL THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THAT. UM, AGAIN, VERY SIMILAR TO URBAN AND OLIVES, UH, PROJECT. UM, AND THEN WE PLAN ON THAT, AND THEN BRINGING THAT WATER DOWN TO THE COMMON DRIVE, AND THEN FILTER NOW TO NORTH OLIVE STREET. THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE, UH, RENDERINGS, UM, CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, FOR MORE, UH, VISUALIZE WHAT WE, UH, WHAT WE THINK THIS THIS PRODUCT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. AGAIN, CONTINUING THE STREET SCAPE, UM, UH, MAKING SURE THEY'RE, UH, THE SIDEWALKS ARE WALKABLE, MINIMAL, MINIMAL CURB CUTS, UH, AND THEN IMPROVING OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD WITH, UH, NEW SIDEWALKS. THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE ARE, UM, BASICALLY NON-EXISTENT AT THIS POINT. UH, A COUPLE OF THE NEXT SLIDE IS A VIEW, UH, DOWN THAT, UH, SMALL, UH, OPEN SPACE, WHICH ALL THE HOMES ARE GONNA BE FA UH, THE MIDDLE HOMES ARE GONNA BE FACING, UH, SLIDE NINE 19 THROUGH 24 ARE ALL, ARE ALL THE HOMES THAT WE, UH, THAT WE PLAN ON, ON, UH, ON, ON BUILDING. UM, MOST OF MANY OF THESE HOMES WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY BUILT IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, WITH GREAT SUCCESS, ALL HAVE BEEN SOLD, AND WE PLAN ON REPEATING, UM, THAT SUCCESS IN THIS, IN THIS PROJECT. UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MET WITH, UH, THE NUITY HILL EDGE PARK. UM, WE MET WITH THEM ON JANUARY 13, AND WE'VE COMMITTED TO COME BACK, UH, TO, UH, THEIR FORUM AND DISCUSSING THE, UH, FINAL, YOU KNOW, FENESTRATION COLORS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THESE, THESE ELEVATIONS ARE NOT THE FINAL ELEVATIONS. UM, BUT WE PLAN ON TAKING THIS AS OUR TEMPLATE AND MOVING FORWARD WITH IT, AND HOPEFULLY MAKING IT BETTER, MAKING IT UNIQUE FOR THIS, FOR THIS OLIVE COURT PROJECT. ON PAGE 25, WE HAVE A SETBACK [00:55:01] EXHIBIT. WHEN WE INITIALLY MET WITH THE D R C ON ON JANUARY THE FIFTH, UM, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ON THE SETBACK. UH, WE WERE, I, I BELIEVE WE'RE INITIALLY LIKE AT FIVE FEET FROM THE, UH, FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE. UM, SINCE THEN, WE'VE GONE BACK, WE SURVEYED THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE BLOCK PHASE, AND THEN COME BACK WITH A, A A, A MORE, LET'S SAY, UH, WIDEN SETBACK THERE, UM, FROM OUR CURVE, FROM THE, UH, THE NEW CURVE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WHICH IS GONNA BE 19. UM, THAT, THAT IS BASICALLY THE MEDIAN OF OUR LOCK PHASE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE LOWER, UH, WITH NINE 10 NORTH OLIVE BEING AT 15 7, 0 3 BEING AT 19 AND 9, 28 BEING AT FOUR, UH, AT 40. UM, AGAIN, NINE, UH, 9 28 IS MORE AT THIS POINT, CONSIDERED A MULTI-FAMILY WITH, YOU KNOW, FOUR, YOU KNOW, FOUR, UH, DIFFERENT APARTMENTS BEING THERE AND WITH A LARGE, UM, PARKING LOT IN THE BACK. UM, SO WE ARE, WE'RE MORE IN LINE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME AT NINE 10 AND 7 0 3. UH, THE NEXT FLIGHT 26 IS A, UH, LOT COVERAGE EXHIBIT, WHICH WAS REQUESTED. AND, UM, AT OUR D R C MEETING ON, AGAIN ON, ON THE 5TH OF JANUARY, UM, WE'VE TAKE, WE TOOK OUR, UH, FUTURE PLOTTED LOTS, UM, WITH OUR BUILDING, UH, PER THE GUIDELINE. AND WE BASICALLY, THEY ALL, THEY ALL AVERAGE FROM 28.5 TO 50% LOT COVERAGE WELL WITHIN THE, UM, GUIDELINE RATIO. NEXT EXHIBIT OF PAGE 27 IS A, UM, UH, HEIGHT, RESIDENTIAL HEIGHT EXHIBIT. UM, WE, AGAIN, WE WENT AND STARTED, UH, OUR BLOCK, UM, BUT CURRENT HOMES AROUND OUR, AROUND OUR PROJECT, UH, AVERAGE FROM 16 TO 30 FEET. AND WE, OUR PROPOSED HOMES HAVE AN AVERAGE HIGH, UH, WELL AVERAGE BETWEEN 24 AND 29 FEET. AGAIN, VERY COMPARABLE TO THE HOMES THAT ARE SURROUNDING OUR, OUR PROPERTY. THE, UH, EXHIBIT 20, UH, EXHIBIT, UH, ON PAGE 28 IS JUST A WATER FLOW EXHIBIT. THIS IS JUST VERY CONCEPTUAL, VERY LOOSE, BUT THIS IS OUR INTENTION. OUR INTENTIONS IS TO, UM, KINDA SHOW HOW WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, WORKING, UH, WITH THE WATER, MAKING SURE MOST ALL OF OUR RUNOFF STAYS WITHIN OUR PROPERTY AND, AND CONTINUES TO. UM, AND THEN ALSO CONTINUE. WE CONTINUE TO ALSO WORK WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. RIGHT NOW, HALF OF OUR PROPERTY ALREADY DRAINS ONTO NORTH OLIVES, SO THE MORE OF A, MORE OF THE BACK, WHICH IS KIND OF THE EAST MOST EASTERN SIDE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY, WE MANIPULATE THAT TO COME AND INTO THE DEPRESSION ONTO THEIR COMMON DRIVE, AND THEN OUT ON ONTO NORTH OLIVE, UM, MAKING SURE WE REDUCE THAT STORMWATER RUNOFF. WE ALSO INTEND TO, UM, TO FIX THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, QUOTE, HOME ROUTINE WALL THAT WAS PUT, UM, ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY BY, UH, THE CHURCH, UM, WHICH WILL ESSENTIALLY IS JUST RAILROAD TIDE OR, YOU KNOW, OUR DECANE AT THIS POINT. SO WE'RE COMMITTED TO GOING THERE AND REMOVING ALL THAT AND BUILDING SOMETHING THAT'S A TRUE RETAINING WALL, UM, TO KEEP AS MUCH WATER, UM, AS YOU KNOW, ONTO OUR PROPERTY AS POSSIBLE, AND NOT, UM, NOT IMPEDE OUR, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS. AND THE LAST EXHIBIT IS AN OVERALL EXHIBIT, IS AN OVERALL, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, EXHIBIT OF OUR PLANET HAYES. UH, THIS SHOWS ALL THE HOMES, ALL THE HOMES THAT WE, UH, WE PLANNED, UM, AND ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING HAVE AND OUR PROPOSING. UH, I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, CITIZENS' COMMENTS. WE DO. UM, THE FIRST COMES FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO JOINS WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF AND RECOMMENDING THAT THIS PROJECT NOT RECEIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THE NINE TWO STORY RESIDENCES ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS FOUND IN THE DINU HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE BUILDING'S [01:00:01] MASSING AND NUMBER DO NOT CONFORM TO THE STORE DESIGN GUIDE GUIDELINES. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER THE COMMON DRIVE ENCROACHES ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AS IT EXTENDS TO PINE STREET. UM, THE NEXT COMES FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS, UH, IN THE HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE SUPPORT O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND TO NOT GIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. STAFF HAS CITED SEVERAL ITEMS IN THE FINDINGS FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT CONFLICTS, OR DO NOT MEET THE GUIDELINES, OR THAT THE INFILL IS NOT CONGRUENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF THE PROJECT'S CONTEXT AND WHERE IN COMPLETE SUPPORT. ADDITIONALLY, THE COMMON DRIVE ON THE SOUTH OF PROPERTY HAS STILL NOT BEEN FULLY CONFIRMED. THE APPLICANT'S SURVEY SIGNED BY A, UM, ENGINEER SHOWS THAT OVER HALF OF THIS COMMON DRIVE IS PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND PROVIDES ACCESS TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORS ON HAY STREET. UM, IT SHOULD BE LABELED AND ADDRESSED AS PUBLIC WAY FOR BOTH ACCESS AND CONFORMANCE TO THE GUIDELINES. UM, FINALLY, ACTUALLY, THAT'S IT FOR THOSE, THOSE TWO COMMENTS FOR FOR OLIVE, MR. CHAIR. YES. UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS THEN, UM, TO, TO THE, TO THE, UM, DEVELOPER. I, I WANNA JUST, UH, COMMEND YOU ON THE REALLY INCREDIBLE, UM, UM, UH, PRESENTATION, THE INCREDIBLE DEPTH OF YOUR PRESENTATION, WHICH I THINK ONLY, WHICH I THINK REALLY SPEAKS TO TWO THINGS, RIGHT? I, ON ONE END, IT SPEAKS TO THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE, OF, OF YOUR TEAM, WHICH, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO PAT PATA THE PEOPLE THAT COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION WHO, WHO REALLY, UH, DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN DO TO COMMUNICATE. SO YOU SHOULD ALL BE COMMITTED FOR HAVING A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR PROJECT, BUT I THINK IT ALSO, UM, DEMONSTRATES THE INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP YOU HAVE WITH THE DECISIONS THAT YOU'RE MAKING. NOW, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT I DO KNOW ABOUT, UM, THE, THE TERRAMARK TEAM IS FROM THE TIMES THAT Y'ALL HAVE COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AND, AND HAD TO MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I THINK, UH, ARE, ARE JUMPING THROUGH THE NECESSARY HOOPS RIGHT, OF, OF GOVERNMENT, UH, SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE TRUE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT IS. AND, UH, I, I AM, I AM, IM IMPRESSED. YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S SKYSCRAPERS THAT, THAT HAVE TO BE, UH, COMMUNICATED, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UH, A SIMPLE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE TO BE COMMUNICATED, AND I DON'T THINK ONE'S ANY EASIER THAN THE OTHER. AND THAT BEING SAID, UM, I, I, UM, I, I, I, I PULLED OUT REALLY THE COMMENT THAT YOU MADE ABOUT, UH, UH, PROVIDING, UH, ACCESS RIGHT? TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S VERY, A VERY IMPORTANT POINT THAT YOU'RE MAKING. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO MY COMMENTS I, I THINK ARE, ARE, ARE IMPORTANT, UH, IN, IN, IN TRYING TO SHIFT, UH, UH, THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION AND, AND, AND MAYBE EVEN SOME MINDS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, TO OUR UNDERSTANDING, A COUPLE OF FACTS ABOUT, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT, THAT ARE SELDOM DISCUSSED. BUT I DO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I'M PROMPTED TO, TO BE AGGRESSIVE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO HOW, UH, AFFORDABILITY MATTERS, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UM, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THE LACK OF, OF UNDERSTANDING, UH, IN, IN, UH, WITH RESPECT TO MINORITY PARTICIPATION IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND REALLY PUSHES ME OVER THE EDGE IS, IS THE DECISION THAT WE MADE TO DEMOLISH THE A PENA HOUSE. UH, AFFORDABILITY IS A, IS A PROBLEM IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT VERY SPECIFICALLY, UH, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT, UH, ARE UNDERGOING QUITE AN AGGRESSIVE GENTRIFICATION PROCESS. AND I'M NOT BLAMING ANY DEVELOPERS FOR THAT, BECAUSE CLEARLY, UH, THE PROBLEM OF GENTRIFICATION RESTS WITH THE WAY THAT THE STATE FORCES THE COUNTY TO USE MARKET VALUES ACROSS THE BOARD. BUT, BUT THAT BEING, THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO VERY RECENTLY PASSED A, UH, A RESOLUTION THAT DECLARES RACISM, A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS IN SAN ANTONIO, AND IT ACKNOWLEDGES THE EFFECTS OF SYSTEMIC AND STRUCTURAL RACISM. AND THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THE HARD THING TO UNDERSTAND IS HEALTH CRISIS, RIGHT? HOW ARE THEY HEALTH CRISES? WELL, THERE, THERE ARE MANY STUDIES THAT HAVE, HAVE SHOWN THAT, THAT, UH, PLACE PLAYS A ROLE IN HOW, UH, CHILDREN, UH, ARE IN THE LONG TERM AFFECTED IN THEIR HEALTH AND THEIR ECONOMIC WELLBEING AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. [01:05:01] UH, SO, SO CO COMING INTO, UH, A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT MUCH OF THE HISTORIC STARK IN SAN ANTONIO SPEAKS ON ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE THAT WAS VOID, UH, PARTICIPATION FROM AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES AND MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES. AND ONE OF THE BIG ILLS OF THAT IS THAT IT FORCES MEXICAN AMERICANS AND, AND AFRICAN AMERICANS, AND NOT ONLY HOMEOWNERS, BUT DESIGNERS AS WELL, TO ADHERE TO THE PRESERVATION AND PROMOTION OF ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGES THAT CLASSICALLY HAVE BEEN USED TO, UH, TO, TO UNDERPIN THE CONCEPT OF NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND, AND, AND THEY USE ECONOMICS. AND ECONOMICS CAN BE A SIMPLE DIALOGUE OF A $2,000 WINDOW VERSUS A, YOU KNOW, A, A $200 HOME DEPOT WINDOW. BUT IT CAN ALSO, UM, UM, MANIFEST ITSELF WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE EMPTY LOTS AND SOMEONE COMES IN PROPOSING AN AFFORDABLE BUILDING THAT ENSURES THAT IT, DESPITE THE HIGH, THE HIGH COST OF HOUSING TODAY IN SAN ANTONIO, CLEARLY WHEN A DEVELOPER GOES IN, THE ELEMENTS THAT THEY USE, UH, ARE A PRODUCT OF NOT ONLY THE TECHNOLOGY AT THE TIME, BUT ALSO THE COST OF BUILDING, WHICH IN TURN GETS HANDED OFF TO THE HOMEOWNER OR THE POTENTIAL BUYER. AND, AND, AND IN MOST CASES IN SAN ANTONIO, WITH RESPECT TO MINORITY, UH, UH, FIRST TIME HOME BUYER, UH, EXPERIENCES IS PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING A HOUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME. THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S USED BY THIS APPLICANT CLEARLY, UH, SENDS A MESSAGE THAT THEY THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS INTO THESE COMMUNITIES, THAT, THAT AS WE IGNORE THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE, UH, WE PUSH, UH, UH, UH, PEOPLE OF COLOR, UH, NOT ONLY IN A DIRECTION THAT FORCES THEM TO, UH, PROMOTE A CULTURE THAT THEY DID NOT SHARE IN, BUT IT, IT ALSO, UH, UH, GIVES, UH, UH, CREDIBILITY TO, TO, UH, WHAT I BELIEVE IS AN OUTDATED, UM, UH, PROCESS OF HISTORIC, UH, DESIGNATION AND PRESERVATION, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGNATION THAT, UM, MAYBE UNINTENTIONALLY IS, IS, IS PROMOTING AN UH, A SILENT AND OUTDATED, UH, PROCESS OF, UH, PREVENTING, UH, LOW INCOME AND MINORITY PEOPLE FROM PARTICIPATING IN AN AREA THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AS USING A SILENT LANGUAGE, IF NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AS PART OF THAT RESOLUTION. YOU KNOW, THE CITY SAYS, UH, THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL ADDITIONALLY COMMIT TO ADVANCING RACIAL EQUITY EFFORTS BY, AND THEN APPOINT IN THE RESOLUTION, PROMOTING RACIALLY, UH, RACIALLY EQUITABLE CITY SERVICES, PROGRAMS, AND POLICIES IN ALL REALMS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD INVESTMENT TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION TO ECONOMIC AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THE ONUS IS ON EVERY COMMISSION, BUT, BUT I'M NOT ON EVERY COMMISSION. I'M ON THE, UH, H D R C TO, TO, UH, UH, TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT THAT REALLY LIMIT, UH, THE ABILITY FOR LOW INCOME FOLKS AND IN SAN ANTONIO HAPPEN TO BE MAJORITY AFRICAN AMERICAN AND MEXICAN AMERICAN PEOPLES. UH, THAT, THAT, THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT HELPS US TO BETTER ACHIEVE, UH, AN INTEGRATION IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT IS KNOWN AS THE MOST ECONOMICALLY SEGREGATED CITY IN AMERICA TODAY. NOW, CLOSE, CLOSE THOSE COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. I'LL, I'LL CLOSE THOSE COMMENTS BY SAYING THAT I DO THAT. THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF A PRO, OF A, OF A BUILDING BEING TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET AND THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT DON'T FIT THE AREA. BUT KEEPING IN MIND THAT, IN THAT, IN, IN, IN THE TIME, UH, OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, UH, PARTICIPATION WAS LIMITED. OKAY. THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THE PROJECT IS WONDERFUL. WE, I WAS ON A D R C WITH YOU, I BELIEVE, ON THIS PROJECT. AND, AND, UH, I KNOW ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THE RAINWATER RUNOFF OF THIS PROJECT. SO I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU PRESENTED IT. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, THANK YOU. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN FETZER, I'VE GOT ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. YOU, IN YOUR SUBMISSION MATERIALS, YOU INCLUDE THE ORDINANCE, WHICH REZONES THIS PROPERTY, AND IT, THERE'S SEVERAL, UH, EXHIBITS IN HERE, UH, SUCH AS PAGE 38, WHICH SHOWS THE, UH, THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY LINES OF THIS REZONED, UH, PROPERTY. AND PART OF IT IS [01:10:01] THE NORTH PART IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN THE LOWER PART IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL IN THE CENTER, ALSO IN THE, IN THE TOTAL OF THOSE TWO RESIDENTIAL AREAS IS, UM, 1.25 ACRES IN THE ORDINANCE. IT ALSO LIMITS THE NUMBER OF UNITS FOR THIS, UH, REZONED AREA TO 16 UNITS, MAXIMUM OF 16 UNITS PER ACRE. SO AT, IF YOU'VE GOT 1.25 ACRES TIMES 16, UH, ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, YOU CAN HAVE, UH, 20 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE, UH, WHEN YOU'RE FULL BUILD OUT, WHICH IS ON EXHIBIT 29. UM, JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT, UH, OBSERVATION AND ASK STAFF IF MY, UH, ANALYSIS IS CORRECT ON THAT. UM, I WAS NOT PREPARED TO, TO EVALUATE, OH, SORRY, 70 MORE MINUTES. UM, BUT GENERALLY, YES, UM, WHATEVER, UH, PREVIOUS ZONING ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT DICTATES THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY LOT IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DENSITY. UM, SO THEY CAN BUILD UP TO THAT, BUT NOT OVER WITHOUT A CHANGE IN REZONING. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, I WAS INVOLVED IN THE, UH, D R C WITH COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ AND A PREVIOUS D R C WITH, UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS, AND THERE WAS COMMENTS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU INCLUDED SOME SIDE SECTIONS ON HOW YOU INTEND TO DEAL WITH, UH, SITE DRAINAGE. UM, UM, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY YOU'RE WITHIN THE LOT COVERAGE, UM, LIMITS BY CODE, UH, I AM A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS ON THE, ON THE, UH, PROPERTY, BUT, UM, I THINK WE CAN EVENTUALLY, UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH YOU BEFORE IN GETTING ACCEPTABLE PROJECTS AND, UM, FEEL THAT AT SOME POINT WE CAN GET TO AN ACCEPTABLE DEVELOPMENT HERE AS WELL. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT LOT COVERAGE. IF WE COULD GO TO, OH, THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE LOT COVERAGE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SLIDE 26. SO, UH, MY, MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO WHETHER OR NOT THE, UH, CARPORT STRUCTURES WHICH APPEAR ON THE SITE PLAN ARE FACTORED IN TO THIS LOT COVERAGE, PARTICULARLY, UH, LOTS DESIGNATED SEVEN THROUGH 12. HI, COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT THAT'S A NO. UM, THE LOT COVERAGE, UH, WE WENT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, LOT COVERAGE GUIDELINE, WHICH SPECIFICALLY SAYS BUILDING FOOTPRINT. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PARKING LOTS BELOW THE CARPORTS ARE GOING TO BE PERMEABLE, UM, AT, AT, IN A TRUE GRID SYSTEM. SO NO CONCRETE WOULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE CON CONCRETE BELOW THAT, I GUESS JUST THE FOOTINGS OF THE CARPORTS. RIGHT. BUT THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE ROOFED, RIGHT? SO, SO I CLARIFI YEAH, THERE WILL BE, YES. SO PER DEFINITION, THEY'RE NOT PERMEABLE BECAUSE IT'S COVERED. SO THAT I HAVE, I THINK CURTIS, UH, MR. COMMISSIONER FISH HAS A VERY GOOD POINT THERE. UM, AND THAT ALSO BRINGS TO SLIDE, UH, THE ONE BEFORE WITH THE SETBACKS. I THINK, UM, STAFF IS STILL CORRECT ON THAT ONE, AND I FELT WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT AT THE D R C AND, AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR THE COMMENTS FROM THE D R C MEETING THAT I FEEL THE SETBACKS ON NORTH OLIVE, UM, SHOULD BE FURTHER SETBACK STILL THE PROPERTIES, UM, HOW, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I JUST, UM, THAT'S JUST, I THINK STILL MY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, I MEAN, THAT SHOULD BE WORKED ON AS WELL. UM, SO THIS IS CONCEPTUAL AND I THINK STAFF HAS A LOT OF STIPULATIONS, BUT IT'S AN EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION. SO WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, I'M ASSUMING WE'RE REALLY GONNA FOCUS RIGHT NOW ON, ON, ON THE LOT COVERAGE, SETBACKS, MASSING, [01:15:01] THINKING THAT THAT SHOULD BE RESOLVED BEFORE WE GO INTO LIKE DETAILS DESIGN. 'CAUSE THAT THERE'S SOME, WE HAD SOME COMMENTS IN THE D R C ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE PRESENTATION OF THE MODELS OF THE HOMES, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FENESTRATIONS AND, AND SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN AND I DON'T KNOW EVEN WANNA GO THAT MUCH IN DETAIL ALSO CONSIDERING THE, UH, AMOUNT OF AGENDA THAT WE HAVE TODAY FOR THE MEETING. YES. SO THIS IS THE APPLICANT, UM, AND, AND WE, WE AGREE WITH, WITH, UM, STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR. UM, YOU KNOW, WE AGREED TO LOOK AT IN OTHER CONCEPTUAL, UH, APPROVALS, UH, TO DISCUSS THIS AT OUR FINAL APPLICATION. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TODAY'S, UH, REQUEST IS FOR THE SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND THE MASSING, UM, FENESTRATION CITING, ET CETERA. UH, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WE COMMIT TO, UM, RESOLVED AT THE FINAL. UM, ALSO IN, IN, YOU KNOW, ALSO WITH GO BACK TO THE HISTORIC WITH H CONTINUITY HILLS, H PARK, UM, AND WORKING WITH THEM AGAIN IN THOSE REGARDS. SO THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH ONE MORE TIME, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT. UH, WE HAVE A LETTER FROM H PARK THAT SAYS THAT, UM, THAT, THAT, WELL, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, UH, GENERALLY THEY, THEY AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, AND I'VE HEARD, UH, THAT FOUR YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. CAN YOU SPEAK PARTICULARLY TO STAFF STIPULATION TWO, WHICH DEALS WITH A DECREASE IN MASSING ON SITE AND THREE ABOUT THE ALLEY AND DRIVEWAY WIDTHS BE BROUGHT TO A MINIMUM? YEAH, ON, ON NUMBER THREE, UM, I'LL START WITH NUMBER THREE. THAT IS IN REGARDS TO THE COMMON GERAGE THAT, UM, IS IN THE IN SITE PLAN AS 20 FOOT COMMON DRIVE. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS COMMUNITY WILL BE SAID, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A COMMON DRIVE IN THE DRIVES, WHICH ARE IN DISCIPLINE SHOW NUMBER FOUR, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CLEAR DIMENSION ON THERE. UM, OH, OH, YES. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE 18 FOOT, SO NUMBER FOURS ARE 18 FOOT DRIVES, UM, PERMEABLE TRUEGRID. AND THE, UH, 20 FOOT COMMON DRIVE IS WE'LL BE CONNECTING OUR, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE OLIVE CORE DEVELOPMENT TO THE PINE HAYS DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH IS ALREADY EXISTING. SO IT'LL BE JUST AN ASPHALT ROAD YOU'LL ESSENTIALLY BE ABLE TO CROSS FROM NORTH OLIVE TO NORTH PINE OR VICE VERSA. UM, IS IT IS A PRIVATE DRIVE. UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, AND WHEN WE WERE PLANNING THIS COMMUNITY, UH, OUR NUMBER ONE, UH, CONCERNS WAS MINIMIZING THE CURB CUTS ON, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE STREET. UM, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN COMMENTS OF, OF ITEMS LIKE THAT IN THE PAST. AND, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE AND JUST SAYING, OKAY, WELL INSTEAD OF DOING THREE CURB CUTS, UM, WHICH WILL, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY BE ANYWHERE, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, 10 TO 14, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THREE OF THEM. WE HAVE ONE 20 FOOT THAT WILL THEN SERVE EVERYTHING. UM, IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, EV THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED, UH, MANY OF THESE CONCERNS IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING, THE, UH, THE HEIGHTS, UM, THE HEIGHTS THAT WE PRESENTED IN THE EXHIBITS ARE, AND, AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE VERY COM YOU KNOW, COMPARABLE. ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE MIGHT BE LOWER, AND I KNOW THAT WE'D BE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT COMPARE, IT'S AN EASY COM, UH, EASY TO BE COMPARED TO THE BIGGEST HOUSE ON THE BLOCK, 9 28. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT EXHIBIT 25, WHICH IS OUR, UH, SETBACK EXHIBIT, YOU'LL SEE THE MASSING OF 9 28 VERSUS OUR PROPOSED HOMES. OUR, AND ALSO OUR PROPOSED HOMES IN REGARDS TO THE EXISTING HOMES ON THE BLOCK. AND OUR FOOTPRINTS ARE WAY SMALLER THAN, THAN THOSE THAT ARE EXISTING. AND THE ACTUAL HEIGHTS OF OUR HOMES, YOU KNOW, ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE RIGHT AT THE EXISTING TWO FLOOR, UH, TWO STORY HOMES AROUND US. UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S EASY TO COMPARE TO, YOU KNOW, 7 0 3 HAYES, BUT, OR, OR THE LOWER ONE. UM, PER THE GUIDELINES, WE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT SAYS, THE GUIDELINE SAYS, [01:20:01] UM, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, A HIGHLY SKILLED SHOULD NOT EXCEED THAT OF THE MAJORITY OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS BY MORE THAN ONE STORY. YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THIS BLOCK PHASE, THERE'S ONE STORY AND TWO STORIES. YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING TWO STORIES, UM, WELL WITHIN, UH, THE GUIDELINES, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE, THE DENSITY, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY, OF COURSE IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE C T B O AGREEMENT IN AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS DONE IN 2016 TO SPUR GROWTH IN THE EAST SIDE. UM, AND SO WE ARE AT THIS POINT TRYING TO EXECUTE THIS AGREEMENT, TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME HOMES, A WIDE RANGE OF, UH, OF PRICING IN THIS COMMUNITY AND, AND FINALIZE OUR, UH, OUR DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE AND WE'VE GONE AND, UH, TO AN H G R C MEETING FOR EVERY SINGLE HOME THAT HAS BEEN BEEN BUILT ON THIS PROJECT. UM, I INVITE EVERYBODY TO COME OVER AND LOOK AT THEM, WALKED IN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, AS SOON AS THEY WERE IN THE MARKET, THEY WERE BOUGHT. WE, WE, WE REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR PRODUCT AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE HAPPY, OUR NEW HOMEOWNERS ARE HAPPY, AND THAT WE FOLLOW, UM, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE H HRCS, UH, APPROVALS, UM, AT FINAL. SO, ALRIGHT. WELL, THANKS FOR THAT. I, I'M GONNA TRY TO FOLLOW UP ON THESE TWO STIPULATIONS TO SEE, LIKE, JUST TO TRY TO HONE IN ON PRECISELY WHERE THE RUB IS, THE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE 18 FOOT WIDE, CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHY THAT IS THE MINIMUM WIDTH FOR THE 18 FOOT DRIVEWAYS? I'M SURE IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE, THE TWO LEFT. NUMBER FOUR. YES. SO THE, THAT IS A, THAT IS THE MINIMUM. THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT AT CITY, AT THE CITY LAND DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT IS A, THE MINIMUM THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT ANYTHING LOWER, UH, IS CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, DANGEROUS. UM, AND YOU NEED THAT, YOU NEED THAT, THAT BACKING ROOM FROM YOUR, YOU KNOW, FROM YOUR PARKING, PRIVATE PARKING SPOT, UM, ONTO THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S GONNA BE TWO CARS COMING BACK. SO, OKAY. THAT IS, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING TO HEAR. THAT THE 18 FOOT WIDTH ON THE DRIVEWAY IS LABELED NUMBER FOUR, IS THE MINIMUM POSSIBLE ALLOWABLE SAFE DRIVE. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. UM, JUST TO TOGGLE BRIEFLY BACK TO THE MASSING, UH, THE, THE MASSING AS WELL FIRST. SO WHEN I SAY I'M SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THIS WAS REZONED I D Z IN 2016, UH, UNDER THESE GUIDELINES, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT PROCESS WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT TODAY AS IT, IT WAS BACK THEN. AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THIS IS BAKED INTO THE CAKE, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY CHALLENGING THE PREMISE OF THE ZONING. THE ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IN TERMS OF MASS IS NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE, THE PRECISE HEIGHT, AND MAYBE NOT EVEN NECESSARILY THE, THE LOT COVERAGE, BUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE MASSING THAT YOU'RE SHOWING AT THE REAR OF THE SITE OR THE SITES THAT ARE FURTHEST OFF THE STREET TO THE ONES IN THE, UH, CLOSEST TO THE STREET. AND YOU POINTED OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT SOME OF THE HOUSES ALONG OLIVER ARE ACTUALLY QUITE SMALL AND, AND ALMOST SUBORDINATE TO THE ONES IN THE REAR. WHAT IS THE LOGIC IN PUTTING THE LARGER MASS, THE LARGER MASS, THE LARGER FOOTPRINT STRUCTURES IN THE REAR VERSUS UP AT THE STREET? YEAH. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALSO ARE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO, UM, THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITIES, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS ON THAT. AND WE ACTUALLY AT SOME POINT HAD THE MIDDLE ONES IN THE FRONT AND, YOU KNOW, AFTER DISCUSSIONS WE, YOU KNOW, WE FELT THAT MAYBE PUTTING THE MORE, YOU KNOW, SAY MEDIUM SIZED FOOTPRINTS IN THE FRONT, UH, WHAT, WHICH WERE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE STREETSCAPE LOOKS LIKE. UM, AND, AND PUTTING THESE LARGER HOMES IN THE MIDDLE FACING THE, UH, THE, THE LINEAR PARK WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WILL BE MORE IN LINE WITH, UM, THE COMMUNITY WAS, WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT IT REALLY, THERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST, WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS AND WE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AS MUCH AS WE CAN. OKAY. SO THERE WAS GENERALLY SOME, SOME FEEDBACK THAT YOU GOT THAT SUGGESTED THE SMALLER SIZE STRUCTURES MIGHT BE MORE SUITABLE ALONG THE STREET IN THIS CONTEXT. UM, ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, 9 0 1 PINE OR, UM, YEAH, 9 0 1 PINE THERE THAT SAYS PINE, THE, THE ONE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, THAT'S THE ONE THAT SITS PRETTY FAR IN FRONT OF THE LARGER STRUCTURE JUST NORTH OF IT. UH, TO WHAT DEGREE CAN THAT [01:25:01] BE ADJUSTED TO THE REAR OR TO WHAT DEGREE CAN THE SETBACK ON ON 9 0 1, MAYBE EVEN JUST A LITTLE BIT ON 9 0 9 BE INCREASED, UH, SO THAT IT DOESN'T COVER UP THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE TO THE NORTH? UM, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY, I KNOW THAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO ZOOM INTO MY COMPUTER HERE, UM, BUT I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE RELOCATE THE, UH, PATIO THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND 9 0 1, 9 0 1 THAT'S ACTUALLY A 10 BY 10. UM, AND THEN THERE'S A SIX FOOT, UH, BUFFER BETWEEN THE PATIO AND THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE COMMON DRIVE. SO WE CAN ESSENTIALLY, UM, REDUCE ONE, WE CAN REDUCE OUR PATIO, UM, WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF UNFORTUNATE, YOU KNOW, UM, OR ONE WE CAN, WE CAN BE MAYBE LIKE A FOOT OR TWO AWAY FROM THE COMMON DRIVE. UH, SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY PUT US ANOTHER FOUR FEET. SO WE WOULD ADD 1923 FEET THAT WOULD PUT US A TOTAL OF 23 FEET, UM, ON 9 0 1 TIME. SO, I MEAN, SOME OF THE STAFF'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE SETBACKS ARE PARTICULARLY, PARTICULARLY DESCRIBING THAT RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE ON 9 28 AND 9 0 1, AND IT, IT'S PRETTY FAR FORWARD. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A CORNER LOT, BUT TO WHAT, TO TO EXTENT THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO FURTHER SET THAT 9 0 1, I THINK THAT WOULD WOULD HELP DEAL WITH SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE RUB THERE. I WOULD ALSO NOTE THERE'S AN INCREASED DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE STRUCTURES, WHICH ALSO KINDA HELPS RESOLVE THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION SITTING IN FRONT OF THE OLD, OLD CONSTRUCTION FROM THE PERCEPTION OF THE STREET. UH, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. UH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME OTHER COMMISSIONER. THANKS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? THIS COMMISSIONER LFO, UH, WILL YOU BE IMPLEMENTING L I D UH, DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR LANDSCAPE AREA WHERE YOU'RE DIRECTING MOST OF THE WATER FROM THE SITE AT THE MOMENT? UH, THAT IS THE INTENTION. UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, WE RECENTLY, UM, DID A GREEN ROOF AND SAW A GREEN ROOF, UM, IN OUR, UM, OFFICE. UM, WE DID THAT THROUGH THE, UH, SARAH GRANT. UM, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE LIKE FOUR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIRT, A LOT OF THAT GREAT MEDIA SITTING, SITTING ON, ON THAT SITE ON THE, OUR COURT SIDE. SO WE INTEND TO USE SOME OF THAT, UH, SPECIAL MEDIA ON THIS, UM, ON THIS, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE BIAS FLOW. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE OUR INTENTIONS, YES. AS MUCH AS WE CAN, WE'LL, WE'LL BUILD IT TO, UH, THE SERO SPECS. UM, BUT MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE GRADING IS, IS, UM, THE GRADIENT IS WHERE A LOT, MOST OF THE WATER JUST COMES INTO THIS, THIS, UM, THIS, UH, LINEAR PARK, AND WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE THE RUNOFF TO OUR NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. OH, I DO ALSO WANNA SAY I, I BELIEVE, WHICH CARNIVAL, UM, ROADS ARE ALSO PART OF THE, OUR, OUR LID. SO I GUESS YES, WE WILL BE IMPLEMENTING, UM, THE FUTURE SENSE. MOST OF THE TRUE GRID WILL BE FOR THE TRUE GRID SPECS. MR. CHAIR. UM, WITH, WITH THAT VERY THOROUGH, UM, PRESENTATION AND THOSE GREAT QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EX TO, TO, UH, THE ONLY WAY I KNOW TO SAY IS TO PASS THIS APPLICANT, UH, THIS APPLICATION, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, EXCLUDING ITEM THREE THAT I THINK WAS, UH, A CLARIFIED AND ITEM TWO. HOWEVER, IF THERE WAS A, A, AN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT THAT, THAT THERE WAS, UH, VERY SUCCINCT ABOUT MASSING CONCERNS. UH, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT IN MY MOTION, UH, UH, BUT, UH, UH, MOTION TO, TO APPROVE, UH, THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL EXCLUDING ITEM, UH, ITEM TWO, THREE, AND, UH, [01:30:02] AND I, I'M NOT GONNA SAY FOUR BECAUSE I, UM, YOU'RE JUST EXCLUDING ITEM TWO AND THREE. UH, AND I'M NOT, I'M EXCLUDING NUMBER FOUR BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THERE HAS TO BE, UH, ROBUST DISCUSSION REGARDING, UH, WHAT IS CONSIDERED, UH, APPROPRIATE WITH RESPECT TO MY COMMENTS EARLIER. I'LL SECOND THAT IF I COULD, I GUESS, ADD, IF, IF THAT MOTION IS CLARIFIED. UM, I'LL SECOND AS IS, BUT IF I COULD MAYBE JUST MAKE SOME COMMENTS THAT, FOR ME, AND I, I WANNA, I, I THINK I SHARE SAME SENTIMENTS AS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ ABOUT, UM, THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WE CAN ANTICIPATE IN THE MARKETPLACE, SO TO SPEAK, AND MAYBE WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS WITH REGARDING OUR, OUR INPUT ON, ON PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING IN. I, I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT OUR, OUR PURVIEW IS EXCLUSIVELY AESTHETICS. UH, I, I DENSITY AND, UH, SOME OF THESE OTHER SIDEBAR CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WORKING BY COMMITTEE INSTEAD OF COMMISSION. AND SO I WISH WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST KEEP THE BUSINESS MOVING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIMELY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. FISH MAY GIBBS MAY NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. CARPENTER, CARPENTER, RECUSED. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. RUBE. NAY. UH, FETZER. NAYYY LFO AYE. MOTION DOES NOT PASS. WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION ONE MODIFIED TO INCLUDE THE, UM, 9 0 1, UH, INCREASE ITS SETBACK TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. UM, AND I'M GOING TO LEAVE IN, UH, STIPULATIONS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. UH, H PARK MENTIONED THAT THOSE SHOULD BE IN THERE. TO WHAT DEGREE THE REDUCTION IN FOOTPRINT, UH, REDUCTION OF FOOTPRINT OR DECREASE IN MASSING IS, UH, I, I THINK THAT JUST NEEDS FURTHER STUDY AND I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT PARTICULARLY THE REAR PIECE OF THAT. SO, UH, I GUESS IN SHORT, THAT'S A, A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. I'LL SECOND THAT YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. COMMISSIONER? I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSION. YES, PLEASE. WELL, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO SAY THAT I, WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE REALLY INCREDIBLE PRESENTATION THAT THIS APPLICANT MADE, UM, AND, UM, AND THE FACT THAT THEY, THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND THERE'S CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS MET THAT IT'S INCUMBENT ON THIS BOARD AND WOULD BE INCUMBENT ON EVERY BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT TO, UH, ONLY SUPPORT, UH, MOTIONS THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ARE SO CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUS QUO THREATEN, UM, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO MEETING ANY COMMON SENSE EQUITY. AND, AND MOST DEFINITELY, UM, UH, ANYTHING OTHER THAN, THAN TAKING, UH, YOU KNOW, EQUITY INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, FURTHERS THE VERY REASON WHY THE CITY IS THE MOST ECONOMICALLY SEGREGATED CITY IN THE UNITED STATES, IF NOT IN THE TOP THREE. UM, SO I, I IMPLORE THE COMMISSION TO, TO UNDERSTAND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF, UH, OF OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESSES, BECAUSE THE SITUATION THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS IN IS NOT AN ACCIDENT. AND IT, IT TAKES COURAGE TO, TO STEP BEYOND, UH, THE, THE PAST PRACTICES OF A, OF AN OUT OF CONTROL SYSTEM THAT ENABLED, UH, UH, RED LINING TO CONTINUE ALL THE WAY INTO, UH, UH, TODAY. UH, AND, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, TO A COMMENT ABOUT, UH, THE, UM, THE, THE URBAN FABRIC, UH, THERE IS A REASON WHY THE SMALLER HOUSES ARE IN THE BACK OF THE LOTS. THERE IS A REASON, THERE IS A REASON WHY, UH, THE LOWER ECONOMICS ARE PUSHED TO THE [01:35:01] ALLEYS. AND, AND THERE IS A REASON WHY, UH, WE, UH, VERY, VERY SILENTLY AGREE THAT THE SMALL BUILDINGS GO IN THE BACK AND THE BIG BUILDINGS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, GO IN THE FRONT. UH, I THANK YOU VERY, I, I, I, ONE, ONE LAST, ONE LAST COMMENT. I DO BELIEVE THAT SAN ANTONIO IS ON THE, ON THE BRINK OF AN ARRIVAL OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER KNOWN OPPORTUNITY TO ACHIEVING OPPORTUNITY. AND I, AND I, AND I HOPE THAT, THAT THIS COMMISSION CAN BE A, A FORCE IN HELPING PROMOTE EQUITY AND OPPORTUNITY AND NOT CONTINUING, UH, A THOUGHT PROCESS THAT DOES NOTHING MORE THAN SUBSTANTIATE A CREDIBLE, BUT FROM MY STANDPOINT, UM, UH, SEGREGATING AND DISCRIMINATING STATUS QUO. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE THOSE COMMENTS ON THE RECORD, TOO. AND I, IF I COULD JUST ADD TOO, I, I WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT. I, I, I THINK IT WAS A DARN GOOD FIRST TRY. I THINK IT WAS VERY SENSITIVE ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS, UM, TO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT I THINK WE SHOULD WANT TO SEE. UM, SO, SO THANK YOU. AND THIS IS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I, I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE, I MEAN, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL. UH, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE APPLYING THE GUIDELINES TO PROJECTS, I THINK THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE , UH, MATTERS. AND, AND THE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THE ONLY THING REALLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO MOTIONS IS, UH, STIPULATION TWO, THAT IT'S DISCUSSING, DISCUSSING ING AND FOOTPRINT. AND I THINK JUST BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MOSTLY, MOSTLY ABOUT, UH, MAYBE THE LOT COVERAGE IN THE SCALE OF THE THREE PARCELS IN THE REAR, WHICH I THINK IS, IS WORKABLE. SO, I, I DON'T, I, I TOTALLY, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, THE ASSERTION OF DESIGN BY COMMITTEE HERE. I THINK THIS IS AN APPLICATION OF, OF THE GUIDELINES TO THE, THE BEST TO, TO OUR BEST ABILITY IN THIS CASE. AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT STIPULATION TWO, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS, UH, IS GONNA, IS IS IS THAT BIG OF A CHALLENGE IN, IN THIS CASE. AND, AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THE PATTERN OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS AND THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT'S COME UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS. SO I, I GUESS THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHT THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. CARPENTER, UH, GROUP? AYE. ZER AYE. . AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM [14. 21-1444 Address/Description: 212 E DEWEY PLACE HDRC Case No.: 2020-582 Applicant: Frederica Kushner/Tobin Hill Community Association Request: Request for review of historic significance City Council Dist.: 1 ] 14, UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE LINE. UM, JESSICA HAS THE APPLICANT, UM, WE ALSO HAVE A LINE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, WE'LL ALSO HAVE A, A CALL IN SPEAKER LATER. SO, JESSICA, GO AHEAD. MAYBE I NEED TO UNMUTE YOU CAN ME NOW? YES. OH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RE MUTED. LET'S START OVER. OKAY. AM I UNMUTTED NOW? HOLD ON ONE MOMENT, RICKY. I'LL READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD AND THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO SPEAK. GO AHEAD, JESS. UM, ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 25 8 2 2 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE A REQUEST FOR REVIEW BY THE H D R C REGARDING ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE. FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, A PROPERTY MUST MEET THREE OF 16 CRITERIA UNDER U D C SECTION 35 6 0 7 B IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR A LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF FINDS THAT TWO 12 EAST DEWEY MEETS TWO CRITERIA. THEREFORE, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G AND DOES NOT RECOMMEND A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. AND I HAVE APPLICANT RICKY KUSHNER ON THE LINE. SHE APPLIED ON BEHALF OF THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. SO RICKY, GO AHEAD AND, UM, UH, PRESENT YOUR CASE, UM, AND THEN WE WILL GIVE TIME TO THE PROPERTY OWNER FOLLOWING YOUR DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS FREDERIKA KUSHNER. I LIVE AT 4 0 5 [01:40:01] EAST MYRTLE STREET IN TOBIN HILL. AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A FINDING, UH, 2 1 2 EAST UE PLACE AND HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE CRITERION 3 5, 8, AND 15. UM, IF YOU COULD BRING UP PAGE 18, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT, RICKY. THERE'S ABOUT A 10, I THINK, SECOND DELAY BETWEEN, UM, THE VIDEO FEED AND THE AUDIO. SO WE HAVE THE PAGE UP FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, CRI CRITERION THREE IS, UM, IT'S IDENTIFICATION WITH A PERSON OR WITH THE PERSON OR PERSONS WHO SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. THE MICHAEL'S FAMILY FOUNDED MICHAEL'S INCORPORATED IN 1871 AND RAN IT UNTIL 1958 AFTER ROBERT DEATH'S MICHAEL'S DEATH. THAT'S OVER 85 YEARS. MR. MICHAEL WAS FIRST MENTIONED AS A SHRINER IN A 1920 NEWSPAPER ACCOUNT. IN A LATER NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, HE WAS MENTIONED THE FOUNDER OF THE ZAFAR SHRINE IN 1921, WHILE LIVING AT TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE, HE WAS ELECTED TO A ONE YEAR TERM AS GRAND POTENTATE OF THE ALFA SHRINE. HE REMAINED ACTIVE IN THAT CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION FOR APPROXIMATELY 30 YEARS, RAISING FUNDS BY DIRECTING GALAS AND OTHER EVENTS, AND RECRUITING NEW MEMBERS. HE ALSO RAISED FUNDS FOR THE BOY SCOUTS. LATER AFTER HE HAD RELOCATED TO ROSEMONT AVENUE, HE WAS NAMED TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD. AND IN 1935, AS FOREMAN OF THE BEXAR COUNTY GRAND JURY, ON WHICH HE REMAINED UNTIL AT LEAST 1947. THAT'S A, A SPAN OF ABOUT 12 YEARS. IN THE 1940S, HE SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE, WHICH PLANNED, UH, AND BUILT THE SAN ANTONIO COLISEUM IN 1952, UH, FOR A NEWSPAPER COLUMN, HE WAS ASKED WHAT, IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD BE THE IDEAL JOB TO WHICH HE REPLIED, WAGES AREN'T EVERYTHING. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A JOB THAT WOULD MAKE ME AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE HAPPY WITH BEST ENOUGH SALARY TO LIVE COMFORTABLY. THAT SEEMS TO DESCRIBE A PERSON WHO SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, IF WE COULD GO ON TO PAGE 12, THIS CRITERION NUMBER FIVE, ITS EMBODIMENT OF DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS OF AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, VALUABLE FOR THE STUDY OF A PERIOD TYPE OR METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION. 2 1 2. EAST DEWY IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN EARLY CRAFTSMAN STYLE RESIDENCE. THE WIDE ROOF OVERHANG IS SURE EVIDENCE OF THIS TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE. THE ROOF CONFIGURATION OF GABLE ON HIP, THE BUMPED OUT BUMP OUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND THE FLARED SKIRTING ARE ALL EVIDENCE OF EARLY CRAFTSMAN ARCHITECTURE IN SAN ANTONIO. HIP ROOFS AND BUMP OUTS ARE VESTIGES OF VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURE, AND WERE SOMETIMES A TRANSITION ELEMENT TO THE NEWER CRAFTSMAN STYLE. THERE ARE A FEW BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH EXHIBIT ONE, EXHIBIT ONE OR OF THESE CHARACTERISTICS, BUT ALMOST NONE OF THEM WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMBINATION. UM, AND NOW I'D LIKE TO GO ON TO PAGE 21. THIS HAS TO DO WITH CRITERIA NUMBER EIGHT. IT'S HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL INTEGRITY OF LOCATION DESIGN MATERIALS AND WORKMANSHIP 2 1 2 EAST DEWY PLACE. HAVING STOOD AT THAT LOCATION AS THE ONLY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT BLOCK SINCE 1913, IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE BUNGALOW ARCHITECTURE ONCE COMMON IN THE WESTERN PART OF JEHOVA HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN COMPARED TO THE 1931 SANDBORN MAP, THE FOOTPRINT IS THE SAME AS ON THE MAP WIDE ROOF OVERHANG BEL ON HIP ROOF BUMP OUT ON THE EAST SIDE, AND THE PHOTO AND THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF A PORCH ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. FLARED SKIRTING AND THE SHAKE SH SHINGLES ARE ALL SHORE [01:45:01] EVIDENCE OF THE EARLY CRESSMAN STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE. AND I'D LIKE TO THEN GO ON TO, UH, OR ONTO, UH, PAGE 21, PLEASE. THIS HAS TO DO WITH CRITERION 13. IT BEARS AN IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER DISTINCTIVE STRUCTURE SITES OR AREAS, EITHER AS AN IMPORTANT COLLECTION OF PROPERTIES OR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, OR CRAFTSMANSHIP WITH FEW INTRUSIONS, OR BY PIVOTING TO THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE AREA ACCORDING TO THE PLAN BASED ON ARCHITECTURAL, HISTORIC, OR CULTURAL MOTIF. UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTIFIED BY STAFF AS AN ELIGIBLE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THE TOBAN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION TO SEEK TO ADD THE AREA AS A SECOND PHASE TO THE TOBAN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS PROPERTY CONTRIBUTE TO ONE T TWO EAST DEWY PLACE. HAVING STOOD AT THAT LOCATION SINCE 1913, IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE BUNGALOW ARCHITECTURE ONCE COMMON IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE TOBAN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF STREET CAR LINES ON SAN PEDRO AVENUE AND MCCULLOUGH AVENUE, MANY MIDDLE CLASS HOMES WERE BUILT IN THE AREA. IT IS ONE OF THE FEW ONE STORY RESIDENCES REMAINING OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE TEENS, TWENTIES AND THIRTIES BETWEEN MCCULLOUGH AND SAN PEDRO AVENUE. AND I'D LIKE TO GO, UH, TO PAGE 17, PLEASE. AND I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS BRIEFLY THE PRESENT CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE. WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE FROM 2007, 20 10, 20 11, AND 2014. AND THEREAFTER, BETWEEN 2007 AND 2010, THE ROOF MAY HAVE BEEN REPLACED BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE A DIFFERENCE IN COLOR. THIS PROBABLY HAPPENED IN 2010 WHEN PATRICIA PATRICIA BARRETT INHERITED THE HOUSE FROM THE ESTATE OF JOHN. CARL ALER BARRETT SOLD THE HOUSE TO JULIANNE S MOORE IN 2011 THE NEXT YEAR, SOMETIME AFTER THAT, BUT BEFORE MID 2015, THE SKIRTING WAS REMOVED IN ORDER TO DO FOUNDATION WORK AND REPLACED WITH THE PLYWOOD WE SEE TODAY. IN ADDITION, THE LONG FRONT PORCH FLOORING WAS REMOVED ALONG WITH THE PORCH COLUMNS, THE PORCH FLOOR AND COLUMNS WERE REPLACED ON A SMALLER SCALE AND WERE LEFT UNFINISHED. IF THE HOUSE WERE TO BE RESTORED, THE SKIRTING AND PORCH ELEMENTS WOULD BE EASY TO CORRECT. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS HOUSE IS VERY CLOSE TO ITS ORIGINAL FORM WITH REPAIRS, IT COULD OFFER REASONABLY PRICED HOUSING FOR A FAMILY OR FOR A SMALL BUSINESS. AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, RICKY. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER. CAN SOMEONE UNMUTE RACHEL, PLEASE? I'M LOOKING FOR HER. OH, WHERE ARE YOU, RACHEL? OKAY. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? UH, UH YES. UH, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, SIR. OKAY. VERY GOOD. UH, YES. MY NAME IS JIMMY NAURA. I'M, I'M, UH, I'M IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. UH, AND, UH, UM, I, UM, I HAD MADE AN APPLICATION TO, TO DEMOLISH THIS PROPERTY, UH, FOR SEVERAL REASONS. ONE, THE PROPERTY CONDITION, AND TWO, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN OVERTAKEN WITH, UM, WITH, UH, A GROUP THAT IS JUST, UH, UNFRIENDLY. UH, THEY'RE NOT LEASED, THEY'RE JUST, UH, UH, SQUATTERS IN THERE. UH, AND, AND THEY'VE BECOME, UH, QUITE VIOLENT. UH, AND A P D HAS BEEN CALLED OUT THERE SEVERAL TIMES. IN FACT, THEY CONTACTED ME, UH, AND, UH, UH, NOTIFIED ME TO, TO, TO BE SURE NOT TO GO TO THE HOUSE WITHOUT AN ESCORT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, WHICH I INFORMED, UH, THE HISTORIC, UH, PEOPLE IN SAN ANTONIO WHEN THEY WANTED TO GO TAKE SOME PICTURES OF THE HOUSE. UM, SO I, I, UH, I OWN, UH, UH, HISTORIC PROPERTIES HERE IN, IN AUSTIN. UH, AND AND APPRECIATE, UH, THE SIGNIFICANCE, UH, OF A PROPERTY THAT MERITS, UH, SUCH A DESIGNATION. UH, AND, UH, I, I HAVE, UH, HAVE BOUGHT SEVERAL PROPERTIES, UH, IN THE TOBIN AND MONTE VISTA AREAS THERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 'CAUSE I JUST LOVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, OVER THERE. AND, AND MY, MY, MY MOTIVATION WAS TO DEVELOP, UH, SOME, UH, SMALL HOUSING, UH, PROJECTS THERE, UH, TO, [01:50:01] UH, BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT AREA TO LIVE. IT'S CLOSE TO TOWN AND, AND A LOT OF, UH, AMENITIES THERE. UM, THIS, THIS PROPERTY HERE HAS BEEN ALTERED, UH, SEVERAL TIMES. AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WOULD, WOULD MEET, UH, THE CRITERIA NECESSARY, UH, TO QUALIFY, UH, FOR THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, UM, I MEAN, THE, THE CRITERIA THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, I, I, I, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE A DILUTION OF THE, UM, OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF A HISTORIC DESIGNATION, UH, TO REACH THIS FAR FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THIS THAT'S IN DISREPAIR BEEN MODIFIED. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTOR OF THE, OF THE PERSON WHO, WHO USED TO LIVE HERE MANY YEARS AGO. UH, BUT, UH, I, I, I DON'T HAVE, I, I I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN THERE. UH, BUT I KNOW THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE PICTURES, UH, THAT WERE SHOWN TO ME AT THE LAST HEARING, I MEAN, THE ROOF, YOU CAN SEE THE SHINGLES OFF THE ROOF. YOU CAN SEE THE ALTERATIONS. AND IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT WARRANTS, UM, UH, THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UH, I AM CONCERNED, UH, THAT I DO NEED TO MAKE THE PLACE SECURE. UH, AND, AND, UH, I, I'M REQUESTING THAT, UH, THAT I BE ALLOWED TO DO SO AND, AND GET THE HOUSE DEMOLISHED. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS. YES, WE DO. UM, STEPHANIE, I BELIEVE, ARE YOU UNMUTED? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YES. OKAY. LET'S GIVE OUR SPEAKER TWO MINUTES. YES. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION. I'M HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HEAR FROM THOSE THAT LIVE NEXT TO TWO 12 E DEWEY, AND WE'LL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE TODAY. MY NAME IS JEFF YOUNG, AND MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT 1 2 3 EAST DEWEY PLACE. AND AFTER THE PAST SIX YEARS, I'M SPEAKING TO YOU, REPRESENTING 39 PEOPLE, PROPERTY OWNERS, RENTAL RESIDENTS, AND SOME BUSINESS OWNERS THAT LIVE AND WORK IN WHAT WE CALL THE DEWEY OGDEN CORRIDOR. WE RANGE FROM NEWBORNS TO THOSE IN THEIR SIXTIES. WE ARE SINGLE, MARRIED, DIVORCED, GAY, STRAIGHT LATINO, BLACK, WHITE, LIBERAL, AND CONSERVATIVE. AND WE ALL GET ALONG GREAT. WE LIVE IN MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS, NEWER HOMES AND PISTOL HOMES. WE ARE CURRENT AND FORMER TOBIN HILL ASSOCIATION MEMBERS. THAT ASSOCIATION OF 50 ISH DUES PAY MEMBERS DOES NOT REPRESENT US IN THIS MATTER. WE 39 ARE UNIFIED IN OUR BELIEF THAT THE HOUSE AT TWO 12 EAST DEWEY MUST NOT BE HISTORIC. WE HAVE ALSO REVIEWED THE 16 CRITERIA FOR EVALUATION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS HOUSE MEETS THE BAR. WHILE THE STAFF INVESTIGATION FOUND GROUNDS THAT IT MEETS TWO CRITERIA, WE BELIEVE THAT IT DOESN'T EVEN REMOTELY MEET ANY OF THESE CRITERIA. IN FACT, THE HOUSE IS ATED AND DECLINED EVERY DAY, LESSING ANY NOTION OF HISTORICAL RELEVANCE THAT COULD BE ASSERTED. AND THE OWNER IN HIS JANUARY 12TH STATEMENT CONFIRMED THAT THE STATE OF THE HOUSE HAD DETERIORATED INSIDE AS WELL AS OUTSIDE. AS THIS ABANDONED NON HISTORICALLY STICK CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE, IT CONTINUES TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR 39 QUALITIES OF LIFE. FOR YEARS. THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF INSECURITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IN 2019, WE SENT A CERTIFIED LETTER THAT CONTAINED PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES TO FOUR PARTIES, OUR CITY, COUNCILMAN TREVINO, OUR SAFE OFFICER, CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND THE TOBY HILL COMMITTEE ASSOCIATION. ALL PARTIES MET WITH US TO HELP US GET BACK ALL OF OUR STREET EXCEPT THE TOBY HILL ASSOCIATION. WHILE WE SAW SOME IMPROVEMENT, WE ALSO SAW THAT THE TWO 12 EAST TWO CONTINUE TO BE A MAGNET FOR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, INCLUDING DRUG DEALS DEALING OF ELECTRICITY VIA EXTENSION CORDS FOR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, MAKESHIFT TENTS IN THE BACKYARD, ATTEMPTED FIRES ON THE WOODEN FRONT PORCH, AND FURNITURE MOVED ONTO THE FRONT PORCH FOR SLEEPING, NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, MULTIPLE TIMES. THE OWNER CONFIRMED IN HIS STATEMENT ON JANUARY 12TH WHAT THOSE OF US LIVING HERE ALREADY KNEW. UH, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO SECURE THE PROPERTY. THERE'S A REASON THAT THIS APPLICATION IS A NON-OWNER APPLICATION. NOT EVEN HE WANTS A DESIGNATION. MR. YOUNG, THAT'S HER TIME ON THE STREET. OKAY? WE SUPPORT THE STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION THIS PROPERTY NOT BE DESIGNATED AS HAVING HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. UM, AND FINALLY, COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE WRITTEN STATEMENT TO BE READ FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UM, THE SOCIETY SUPPORTS THE FINDING OF THE SOURCE SIGNIFICANCE FOR TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE. THE HOUSE MEETS CRITERIA FIVE AS AN INTACT EXAMPLE OF A CRAFTSMAN STYLE RESIDENCE, CRITERIA 13 AS A CONTRIBUTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IN AN ELIGIBLE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. IN ADDITION TO HOUSE MEETS CRITERIA EIGHT FOR THE INTEGRITY OF ITS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND MATERIALS, AS WELL AS ITS LOCATION, THE HOUSE CONFORMS THE CONFIGURATION SHOWN ON THE [01:55:01] 1931 SANDBORN MAP RETAINS MANY ORIGINAL FEATURES SUCH AS AARD FOUNDATION, SKIRT, SIDING, FENESTRATION AND DECORATIVE BARGE BOARD IN THE GABLE END, ALTERATIONS TO THE SKIRT, MATERIAL PORCH FLOOR, AND COLUMNS REPLICATED IN PART BASED ON EARLIER GOOGLE STREET VIEW PHOTOS. LANDMARK DESIGNATION WILL ALLOW THE OWNER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TAX INCENTIVES AND PRESERVE THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THIS LOT CENTER BETWEEN TWO OTHER HISTORIC STRUCTURES. UM, SO THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND WE HAVE BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY ON THE LINE FOR DISCUSSION. MR. CHAIR, IT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES. UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS, UH, UH, THAT WERE DONE AT, AT THE DEMOLITION COMMITTEE MEETING. AND, UM, THE ONE ITEM THAT I LOOK FOR IN A, IN A, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS THAT MAKES DEMOLITION AN UNQUESTIONABLE OPTION IS, UH, UH, UM, THAT, THAT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IS COMPROMISED, RIGHT? I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT, BUT, UH, I THINK IT, I THINK THAT THIS, THAT THIS, UM, UH, APPLICATION POSES A REALLY BIG CHALLENGE. NOT, NOT, NOT O ONLY TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION, BUT ALSO TO, UH, THE OFFICE OF, UH, PRESERVATION. WE HAD A PROJECT ON, UM, UH, SOMEWHERE OFF PRESA AROUND THE AREA OF THOSE CONDOS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED. AND IT WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT WAS, UH, RENOVATING A PROJECT AND WANTED TO MAKE ALTERATIONS TO A HOUSE THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS HOUSE. AND, AND OUR DECISION WAS VERY, VERY, VERY STRONG THAT HE HAD TO FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, UH, KIND OF, KIND OF THE SPIRIT OF IT, BECAUSE IT, UH, OF THE, OF THE RULES, BECAUSE IT, IT IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT IMPOSING ANYTHING NEW OR ANY NEW VOCABULARY OR CHALLENGING ANY VOCABULARY. THE HOUSE IS THERE, AND THIS HOUSE IS MORE INTACT AND THAT HOUSE OVER THERE. BUT I HAVE A, A SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH, UH, THE, THE, UH, UH, APPLICATION THAT WAS PUT FORTH BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LAST WEEK ON THE HOUSE THAT WAS SUBJECT FOR DEMOLITION, THAT THE GENTLEMAN PULLED IT FROM DEMOLITION AND STAFF STILL, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU COREY, BUT STAFF STILL, UM, UH, FOUND, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, ITS, UH, DESIGNATION ON THE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? UM, THIS PROJECT MEETS THE SAME CRITERIA AS THAT ONE OVER THERE. AND THAT ONE OVER THERE WAS UPHELD. AND FOR SOME CRAZY REASON, THIS ONE IS NOT. SO, YOU KNOW, I, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T, THAT'S NOT ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, BECAUSE THIS PROJECT'S COME BEFORE US. I, I, I REALLY DO STRONGLY FEEL I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. UH, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE PROCESS THAT'S AT FAULT HERE, AND THE INCONSISTENCY OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE, THE, THE, UH, UH, O HPS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE CHERRY PICKING, YOU KNOW? UH, AND, AND THE REASONS DON'T MATTER BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HERE WHO, WHO'S IZING CROSS THEIR T'S. THEY GOT SANBORN MAPS, THEY, THEY'RE MAKING AN ARGUMENT, AND THEN THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION, IF I'M CORRECT, COREY, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE DEMOLITION, RIGHT? SO BOTH REQUESTS ARE SIMILAR, THAT A THIRD PARTY HAS BROUGHT FORWARD THE NETWORK, RIGHT? THE REQUEST FOR A FINDING OF THE SOURCE SIGNIFICANCE. SO STAFF EVALUATES BOTH OF THOSE AGAINST THE SAME CRITERIA. UM, THE PREVIOUS ONE WE DID FIND ELIGIBLE, IT HAS TO MEET THREE. THIS ONE, WE DIDN'T, I THINK THE DISTINCT, I THINK THE BIG DISTINCTION IS AGREEMENT ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT ASSOCIATION OR AN ASSOCIATION WITH A SIGNIFICANT PERSON. WELL, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, CO UH, COREY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE THE, A PENYA HOUSE. IF, IF STAFF OR THE COMMISSION HAS NO IDEA WHO THE PERSON IS, OR THE IMPORTANCE THAT, THAT THEY PLAY IN THE COMMUNITY, VERY SOON WE'RE GONNA HEAR A CASE, UH, OF THE SAMUEL, UH, UM, UM, UH, SON, UH, SUTTON HOUSE, UH, SUDDEN WAS A CONTEMPORARY OF ALBERT PENAS. I MEAN, THEY'RE INSEPARABLE, BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHO KNOWS WHO, RIGHT? SO THIS, THE, THE LADY THAT GAVE A PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW IS TALKING ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL WHO, WHO IS, UH, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT TO A LARGE PORTION OF THE CITY WHO CONTRIBUTED IN LARGE WAY, UH, UH, TO THE, TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND NOT THAT THEY USE THEIR PROFITS TO, TO, TO BE BENEVOLENT, BUT, BUT THAT THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEIR CAUSE WAS. AND THIS IS A LEADER. SO, SO WITHOUT, WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT SITUATION, IT IS JUST DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK, RIGHT? UM, WELL, SO, SO, SO WE'RE ASKING, WE'RE ASKING YOU ALL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THESE COME TO A PUBLIC [02:00:01] HEARING, TO H C C IS, IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AND, AND COREY AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M NOT POINTING THE FINGER. UH, I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE TO BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY, RIGHT? OF, OF, OF THE INCONSISTENCY IN THESE DECISIONS. BUT, BUT THE, UH, THE THING THAT I'M, THE POINT THAT I'M MAKING IS I, I, I, I THINK THAT THE, THE PROBLEM THAT CREATES THE INCONSISTENCY IS THE PROCESS THAT IT HAS. THERE'S TOO MUCH POWER ON THE SIDE OF, OF, OF O H P THAT THE, THE, THE RULE IS OVER. IT, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OVER. UM, I MEAN, LOOK, YOU HAVE THE, THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION THAT CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION. YOU HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE OFFICE OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE H D R C CITY COUNCIL, AND WE EQUATE ONE PERSON BEING ABLE TO PUT IN A, AN APPLICATION. IT, IT, THERE, THERE'S SO MANY PROBLEMS THAT TO ME SEEM LIKE IT, IT IT FOR, FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, FOR IN, IN EXCHANGE FOR ABSOLUTE, UH, POWER OVER DEMOLITIONS, UH, THAT O H P HAS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SEES, SEES THAT THAT'S THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THEIR PURVIEW. UH, I THINK IT CREATES THESE COMMISSIONER, I THINK IT CREATES THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE REALLY HAVE. EXCUSE THE JURISDICTION. EXCUSE, EXCUSE, EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER. MM-HMM. , UH, WOULD YOU SPEAK TO THE, WHETHER YOU SUPPORT DESIGNATION OR NOT, BASED ON THE APPLICATION AND BASED ON WHAT O H P SAYS? AND, AND, AND CHAIRMAN, CHAIRMAN, UH, IF I SOUND CONFUSED, I'M CONFUSED. I'M, I'M CONFUSED BETWEEN THE DECISION THAT WE MADE LAST WEEK THAT I THINK WAS OF COURSE, RIGHT. I'M, I VOTE AGAINST IT. AND THE DECISION THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE TODAY, IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN A DAMNED VIEW, DAMNED VIEW DO, UH, DON'T, UH, SITUATION BECAUSE NEITHER ONE OF THEM LOOK FAIR. THEY, NEITHER ONE OF 'EM, THEY DON'T LOOK FAIR. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME PARTICIPATING IN A DECISION THAT GOES CONTRARY TO A DECISION THAT IT, IT JUST SEEMS TOO CHERRY PICKING TO ME ON THIS PART OF STAFF THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US A THING OVER HERE LAST WEEK THAT SAYS THAT, THAT, UH, THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA, YOU, I MEAN, IT'S TOO, IT GIVES TOO MUCH POWER TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS. WELL, IF YOU AGREE WITH IT, DIDN'T COMMIT DUE DILIGENCE, IF YOU AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT PERSON ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, THEN YOU, THAT'S HOW YOU'LL, UH, VOTE IF THERE'S A MOTION. YEAH. BUT WHO'S GONNA HOLD STAFF ACCOUNTABLE? I THINK PART OF THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION IS ALSO TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME ACCOUNTABILITY HERE. BUT THAT MIGHT JUST BE ME, SO I'LL STOP THERE. BUT IT, IT MAY BE, IT MAY BE THAT THAT DISCUSSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT A DIFFERENT, UH, VENUE. AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT, UH, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER, I JUST, UH, PREFER THAT MY COMMENTS ARE ON THE RECORD. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS, AND, AND I, UH, ACTUALLY SHARE, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S CONCERNS ABOUT CONSISTENCY. AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AS I READ YOUR FINDINGS EVALUATIONS. G I I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED IN JUST THE STATEMENT THAT'S THERE IN, IN THE RECORD, THAT IT TALKS ABOUT THAT, UH, THREE AND EIGHT, UH, THAT THIS, THIS, UH, UH, YEAH, I'M, UH, PARDON ME. I'M JUST REREADING IT TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T MISREADING. IT SAYS THAT IT, IT, IT MEETS CRITERIA FIVE AND 13, BUT NOT THREE AND EIGHT. AND YET IT GOES ON TO SAY, ASPECTS OF EIGHT ARE, ARE INCLUDED IN FIVE AND 13. CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, COREY, PERHAPS HELP US SORT THAT OUT? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE CRITERIA DO STRADDLE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOFT EDGES TO THEM, AND THEY, THERE ARE OVERLAPPING ASPECTS TO THEM. UM, AND I, I AGREE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CRITERIA THREE, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST AN AVERAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, CITIZEN OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY DOES BEGIN TO GET KIND OF SUBJECTIVE AS TO WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THAT COMMUNITY. SO I'M GONNA SET THAT ONE ASIDE FOR A SECOND, BUT COULD YOU HELP, UH, PARSE FOR ME, UH, WHY THIS DOESN'T MEET CRITERIA EIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, SO AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO CONVEY THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DEFINITIVE. UM, WHAT WE DO WHEN WE GET AN APPLICATION IS, IS THE U D C PROMPTS US TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION. SOMETIMES WE, WE DO ADDITIONAL RESEARCH IN ADDITION TO THE RESEARCH THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS JUST CONCURRING YES OR NO WITH THE, UH, CRITI CRITERION THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT CLAIMS THAT THE PROPERTY MEETS. UM, SOMETIMES WE THINK THAT THERE'S MERITS OF THE PROPERTY THAT MAY WEREN'T ADDITIONAL ELIGIBILITY, ELIGIBILITY UNDER ADDITIONAL CRITERIA, OR SOMETIMES WE FEEL LIKE ASPECTS OF THE PROPERTY MIGHT BE BETTER ADDRESSED BY DIFFERENT CRITERIA. SO IT'S REALLY JUST A [02:05:01] SECONDARY EVALUATION THAT'S PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S THE, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, APPLICATION THAT'S COMING TO YOU FOR, FOR CONSIDERATION. AND THEN YOU HAVE, AS THE COMMISSION SOLE DISCRETION OF INITIATING OR REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL INITIATES HISTORIC DESIGNATION BASED ON THE MERITS OF THE COMPETITION. I, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND, AND THANK YOU. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TAKE OUR, OUR ROLE IN THAT ADVISORY, UH, UH, POSITION, YOU KNOW, VERY SERIOUSLY. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ IS SEEKING, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENCY IN THIS. AND I, I, I ECHO ECHO THAT AS WELL. UM, FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE A D R C, AND YOU CAN READ THE, THE TRANSCRIPT FROM THAT. AND MY GREATEST CONCERN ON THIS IS THAT THERE, THIS HAS CLEARLY BECOME A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE FOR PEOPLE GOING IN THEIR SQUATTERS AS DESCRIBED BY THE OWNER. UM, AND SO I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THOSE CONCERNS, BUT I'M ALSO VERY, UH, CONCERNED ABOUT IT JUST BEING DEMOED OUTRIGHT WITH NO REPLACEMENT PLAN AND BECOMING A VACANT LOT, UH, THAT HAS, UH, THAT CAN INJURE A, A COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS A, A NUISANCE, UH, UH, SQUATTER SITUATION CAN, WHERE YOU BEGIN TO HAVE VACANT LOTS, THEY BECOME LIKE MISSING TEETH AND A SMILE, AND YOU START KNOCKING OUT MORE TEETH, AND THEN, UH, THEN YOU HAVE A VERY ERODED URBAN FABRIC THERE AND, AND, UH, AND NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC. SO I, I IMPLORED THE, THE OWNER THAT IF HE, HE DIDN'T WANNA DEAL WITH THE ISSUES HERE TO, TO GO AHEAD AND SELL IT, OF COURSE, THIS IS NOT OUR PURVIEW. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REALTOR ADVISORS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE. UH, BUT MY GRAVE CONCERN IS THAT, THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED OUTRIGHT. AND, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S A, A, A REAL LOSS. I LIKEWISE, THOUGH, I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SORT OF A PIECEMEAL APPROACH TO PRESERVATION WHERE INSTEAD OF DOING, UH, AMENDMENTS TO EXISTING HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICTS, UH, TO INCLUDE PERHAPS THREATENED PROPERTIES, PARTICULARLY ON THE MARGINS OF THOSE DISTRICTS TO SET UP THE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME BUFFER ZONES, UH, FROM DEVELOPMENT TO KIND OF BRING IN SOME, SOME LEVEL OF CONTROL, UM, TO RETAIN, YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT AND THE CHARACTER OF THOSE DISTRICTS. UH, BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE KIND OF A VERY, KIND OF PIECEMEAL, UH, GRAB TO TRY, TRY TO DO THIS. SO, UM, I, I'M REALLY ON THE FENCE ON THIS ONE, AND I, I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT SOME OF MY OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY. UH, THIS IS OLA. I, I GUESS MY THOUGHTS ARE CONSISTENT FROM BEFORE IS IF THIS WASN'T THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, APPLYING FOR THIS, THEN, THEN I CAN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF IT. I, I THINK WE NEED TO RECONFIGURE THIS PROCESS TO BE MORE SENSITIVE TO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER. IF FOLKS WANT TO PRESERVE A PROPERTY, THEY CAN PURCHASE IT JUST THE SAME AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, IN THAT LIGHT. SO THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PROCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED INTO LAW BY, BY CITY COUNCIL, UM, HAVE BEEN REVISED OVER THE YEARS. AND, UM, I THINK ONE THING THAT IS, IS CONSISTENT IN THIS PROCESS IS THE APPLICATION OF THE LAW. THERE ARE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PARTIES THAT CAN BRING A DESIGNATION CASE. AND WHEN I'M REVIEWING THESE, I'M REVIEWING FOR THE CRITERIA. IT'S THREE, IT'S THREE OR MORE. I HEARD MENTION OF THE LOTUS CASE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT CASES ON LOTUS IN THE LAST, UH, 18 MONTHS. AND IN, IN BOTH THOSE CASES, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAY HAVE INITIATED ONE, MAYBE STAFFED THE OTHER, UH, BUT THERE WERE THREE CRI THREE CRITERIA CLEARLY MET. UH, I'M LOOKING AT STAFF'S CRITERIA HERE, AND I SEE 13, UH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 13 IS, IS, UH, POINTED TO BY STAFF AND, UH, FROM MS. KUSHNER. I SEE THE THREE, I MIGHT BE IN THE WRONG, WRONG PART OF THE REPORT, BUT, UH, THREE, FIVE, UH, I'M SORRY, I GOT MIXED UP ON MY NUMBERS. SO COMMISSIONER FISH, I, I THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND STATEMENT. IT'S, IT'S, UM, THE, A APPLICANT IS, UH, SAYING THAT IT MEETS TRUCTURE THREE, FIVE, AND EIGHT AND 13, I BELIEVE. UH, BUT STAFF IS SAYING THAT, UH, THEY FIND IT ONLY MEETING, UM, UH, FIVE AND 13 AND NOT SUFFICIENTLY, UH, NOT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THREE AND EIGHT. THANK, THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME ON THERE. UM, I, I, I, I, I'M SKEPTICAL OF THREE, BUT, BUT EIGHT AS PRO PROPOSED, I'M REALLY ON FENCE ABOUT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I, I'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM THE [02:10:01] NEIGHBORS THAT WERE BEING REP REPRESENTED BY THE, THE CALLER AND, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE APPLICANT. AND, AND THE QUESTION FOR ME COMES DOWN TO EIGHT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UH, I'LL OPEN MY COMMENTS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE KIND OF OVERARCHING, UH, OF STRUC STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. UM, IN THE, ON THE OF ADJUSTMENTS, THERE'S A, THERE'S A TERM THAT'S USED THAT SAYS, UH, THAT, THAT THE SITUATION WAS CREATED BY NO FAULT OF THE OWNERS. AND THERE'S ANOTHER TERM IN THE CRITERIA OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT IS, UH, AND THE, AND THE, UH, THE PROBLEM IS NOT MERELY FINANCIAL, UM, WHICH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IS THE BOARD THAT OVERTURN, THAT CAN OVERTURN MANY, MANY DECISIONS BY THE ZONING COMMISSION. AND, AND, AND OTHER, YOU'RE GONNA MEET THESE CRITERIA, RIGHT? I SAT ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR SOME TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND WHEN A BUILDING IS HAVING, BELIEVE ME, I UNDERSTAND WHEN A BUILDING'S HAVING PROBLEMS WITH, WITH DRUG DEALERS OR EVERYBODY IN A HOUSE THAT IS FALLING DOWN, THAT DEFINES A PARTICULAR PROBLEM. WELL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN A HOUSE IS THERE AND IT HAS A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE LANDLORD LIVES IN ANOTHER CITY, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THE, THE PROBLEM THAT IS BEING DEFINED IS BEING DEFINED BY, UH, IT COULD BE ANY OF US. IT COULD BE YOUR HOUSE. IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAKE CARE OF YOUR HOUSE, BAKERS ARE GONNA MOVE INTO IT, AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THEMSELVES COMFORTABLE. AND BY THE WAY, ONCE THEY MAKE THEMSELVES COMFORTABLE, YOU CAN'T EVICT THEM FOR 30 DAYS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THEIR HOUSE. SO YOU, YOU, THERE'S A SITUATION THAT GETS CREATED AND IT'S BROUGHT TO US, AND I DON'T SEE HOW IT WOULD MEET THE, THE CRITERIA, BUT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COMMISSIONER OLA WAS SAYING, I AGREE WITH, WITH HIM, I THINK THAT, THAT SOMEHOW THESE, THESE, UH, THIS, THIS DESIGNATION PROCESS HAS CREATED AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT CLEARLY IS, IS THE OFFICE OF O H P TRYING TO, TRYING TO GAIN A MAXIMUM CONTROL OF, OF, OF AN AREA BY EXPANDING THEIR JURISDICTION. I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO, TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THE LENGTH OF OUR MEETINGS IS IMPACTED BY THE AMOUNT OF JURISDICTION. UH, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT ALL FOR Y YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY STOP THIS PERSON FROM DEMOLISHING THIS, THIS, THIS BUILDING THAT'S, THAT'S NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BECAUSE I'M SURE THE CRITERIA MEETS ALL OF THE HOUSES IN THAT AREA. BUT, UM, SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. THIS IS A HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. WE'RE NOT DEFINING THE MILITIAN IN ANY WAY. THIS GOES CITY, THE COUNCIL. SO THIS WOULD JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, IF I'M CORRECT. SO THIS CITY COUNCIL IS ACTUALLY THE BODY THAT WILL DECIDE, UM, THE FINAL HISTORIC, UM, LANDMARK DECISION FOR THIS PROPERTY, NOT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. UM, CITY COUNCIL HAS MANY TIMES, UH, ALSO FOUND THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, PERSONAL PROBLEMS SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY. HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. I'M WITH STAFF. I FEEL LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THAT WHAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS BRINGING UP AS NUMBER EIGHT IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN NUMBER FIVE. AND IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT IT WOULD QUALIFY FOR BOTH FIVE AND EIGHT, AND WE CAN JUST, MAYBE IT'S EITHER FIVE OR EIGHT, BUT THAT WOULD STILL ONLY BE TWO CRITERIA OUT OF THE 16. I'M ALWAYS BEEN VERY CONSISTENT. AT LEAST THREE OF THE CRITERIA SHOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST COMPLY WITH THREE OUT OF AT LEAST THREE CRITERIA. LIKE THE GUIDELINES SAY, WELL, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. AND, UM, UM, CAN, UH, CHAIRMAN, I, I'VE GOTTA UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER GRU'S COMMENTS. SHE, SHE, THERE, THERE'S THIS CRITERIA THAT EXISTS, RIGHT? SHE'S SAYING THAT WE HAVE A STRICT RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO, TO OUR PURVIEW. FIVE AND EIGHT ARE NOT THE SAME POINTS, BUT SELECTIVELY WE'RE GONNA PUT FIVE AND EIGHT TOGETHER AND SAY THEY ONLY ARE ONE. NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PRESENTING ITS STAFF DID NOT PRESENT THE CRITERIA. ITS NEIGHBORHOOD PRESENTED THE CRITERIA. MY TAKE ON THIS PROJECT IS, UH, I AGREE WITH CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE APPLICANT THAT IT DOES MEET ENOUGH, UH, CRITERIA TO BE DESIGNATED. UM, AND SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, UH, SENDING [02:15:01] THIS ON TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT WE NEED A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FROM THE COMMISSION. SO I'LL ATTEMPT ONE AND SEE HOW IT GOES. UM, SO I MOVE, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW BY H T R C REGARDING THE ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR FINDING OF, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR REFINING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. YES. AND I DO WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT FOR THIS TYPE OF ACTION'S, A SIMPLE MAJORITY, UH, FISH, AYE, GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ NAY. AREOLA. NAY. CARPENTER. AYE. RUBE. AYE. ER, AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. OKAY, [15. 21-1410 Address/Description: 241 DONALDSON AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-567 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Michael Pensabene/Freedom Solar Power Request: Solar panel installation City Council Dist.: 7 ] THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 15, 2 41. DONALDSON, EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? OH, THAT'S STEPHANIE'S. I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. GIVE US ONE MOMENT. STEPHANIE NEEDS TO GET THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. HI EVERYONE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. UM, ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 5 67. ADDRESS, 2 41 DONALDSON AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A 12 PANEL SOLAR ARRAY ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AT 2 41 DONALDSON. SIX PANELS WILL BE LOCATED ON REAR ROOF LINES AND SIX PANELS WILL BE LOCATED ON A FRONT ROOF LINE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, BUT THE APPLICANT RELOCATES THE SIX PANELS ON THE FRONT ROOF LINE TO THE REAR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AS NOTED IN FINDING B, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED DOCUMENTS TO STAFF THAT REFLECT THIS CHANGE PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND TWO, THAT SOLAR PANELS MAINTAIN 18 INCHES OF SEPARATION FROM THE ROOF EAVES AND RIDGES. AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT, SHANE, ON THE LINE WHO IS GOING TO SHARE, UM, WHY, UM, HE DOESN'T WANT THOSE STIPULATIONS ATTACHED TO THE REQUEST. AND I BELIEVE THAT RACHEL ALSO HAS THE HOMEOWNER ON THE LINE. SO, SHANE, DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YEAH, THANKS STEPHANIE. UM, HOPE Y'ALL CAN HEAR ME. YEAH, MY NAME'S SHANE HERTIG. I'M A SENIOR ENERGY CONSULTANT WITH, UH, FREEDOM SOLAR, UM, BASED IN AUSTIN WITH AN OFFICE. SO BY THOUSAND OAKS. AND WHAT MORE IN SAN ANTONIO HERE. AND, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNERS, YOU JUST WANTED TO SUMMARIZE, UM, THE, THE PROJECT HERE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDATION ONE. UM, RECOMMENDATION TWO IS, IS NOT A PROBLEM AND IT'S INCORPORATED, UH, INTO OUR DESIGN. UM, RECOMMENDATION. ONE IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT REQUESTS THE PANELS WHO MOVE FROM THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANY, UM, REASON WHY, UM, THAT IS NOT, NOT FEASIBLE. AND SO I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOLAR PRODUCTION. UH, THE CITY OF, UH, C P SS REQUIRES ALL SOLAR INSTALLERS TO USE A TOOL CALLED PV WATTS. UH, IT'S A DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TOOL IN ORDER TO CALCULATE WHAT A SOLAR SYSTEM WILL PRODUCE. UH, IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, THE ABSENCE OF THE ROOF, ANY S******G FACTORS, AND THEN ALSO THE, UM, HISTORICAL WEATHER DATA. SO THE AVERAGE SOLAR RADIATION, UH, MONTH BY MONTH FOR A LATITUDE OF LONGITUDE. AND WITH PD WATTS CALCULATIONS, MOVING THE PANELS FROM THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WOULD, UH, DECREASE THE PRODUCTION OF THE PANELS OF THE SYSTEM BY, UH, 42%. UM, AN AMOUNT THAT IS NOT ONLY VERY SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF THE, UM, ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TO THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT ALSO AN AMOUNT THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE BY C P S, UM, [02:20:01] PER GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, FOR A PRODUCTIVE SOLAR SYSTEM. AND TO QUALIFY FOR, YOU KNOW, C P S REBATES, UM, EVEN IF THE HOMEOWNER WERE TO ADD TWO ADDITIONAL PANELS TO MAX OUT THAT NORTH ROOF BASE ON THE BACKSIDE, THE SYSTEM WOULD STILL PRODUCE 25% LESS, UM, THAN IT WOULD ON THE FRONT OF THE PA OF THE, OF THE HOME. SO FOR, FOR THAT REASON, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, REQUESTING THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT A FEASIBLE MOVE, UH, FOR THE HOMEOWNERS TO MAKE. UM, THERE IS ONE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO BRING UP, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE DESIGN OF THE SYSTEM, UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IN A HISTORICAL ZONE AND THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE A VERY, YOU KNOW, VERY LOVELY HOME. WE DESIGNED THE SYSTEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND PERFECTLY SYMMETRICAL. SO IF YOU LOOK AT ITEM, UM, EIGHT IN THE DOCUMENTS THERE, UM, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT DESIGN LOOKS LIKE WITH SIX PANELS ON THE WEST ROOF, ROOF BASE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOME, AND THEN SIX ON THE SOUTH THROUGH FACE ON THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOME. UM, IT'S FOUR ABOVE, TWO BELOW, UH, JUST A SYMMETRICAL, YOU KNOW, UPSIDE DOWN PYRAMID, UM, THAT WILL LOOK, UH, VERY NICE WITH, UH, WITH THE HOME'S, UH, UH, CONTOURS. AND IT WAS ALSO DESIGNED, UM, WITH THE PRECEDENT IN MIND. UM, I KNOW LAST YEAR IN THE, UH, DE GOE HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, IN SAN ANTONIO AT 6 1 8 MUNCY STREET, UM, THAT WAS THE PROJECT WE BASED THIS ON, UM, WHEN KNOWING WHAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE. SO THAT WAS THE PROJECT THAT LAST YEAR WAS, YOU KNOW, APPROVED BY Y'ALL, UM, WITH, UM, ALSO A, UM, STREET FACING SOLAR SYSTEM. IN THAT SITUATION, THERE WERE THREE SEPARATE ARRAYS, UM, THAT WERE ARRANGED, UM, AND ASYMMETRICALLY. AND IN THAT SITUATION, THOSE WERE WEST FACING PANELS IN THE SYSTEM WOULD'VE PRODUCED WITH THAT PITCH. AND THAT ASMUTH ABOUT 13% LESS POWER TO MOVE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE NORTH SIDE OR OUT, OFF, OFF, UH, THE STREET VIEW. SO I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE, THE COMMITTEE TO, YOU KNOW, PLEASE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT, UH, HISTORICAL PRECEDENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HOMEOWNER'S WISHES AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S FEASIBLE IN, YOU KNOW, REGARDS TO THE LOCATION OF THAT SYSTEM IN ORDER FOR THE HOMEOWNERS TO, UM, MAXIMIZE THE, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND ALSO THE, UM, THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACT, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT, THAT SOLAR SYSTEM IN COVERING THEIR ELECTRIC NEEDS. AND, UM, YEAH, CARL AND GWEN ARE, UM, ON THE LINE TOO, I BELIEVE, AND SO I WANTED TO YIELD TO THEM TO, UM, SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND, UH, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN A MEETING LIKE THIS BEFORE, SO IT'S BEEN REALLY ENJOYABLE WATCHING THE WAY YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, DELEGATE AND YEAH, TAKE THE, UM, I CARE A LOT ABOUT THE, THE CITY AND, UM, MAKE OUR DECISIONS. SO WE DO APPRECIATE THE PRESS THAT YOU SET. AND WE KNOW THAT SAN ANTONIO IS THE, THE FIFTH, UM, MOST POPULAR CITY FOR SOLAR IN THE US AND THE SECOND MOST POPULAR MUNICIPAL UTILITY, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE US AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, BIG GOAL, THE CITY TO HIT THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HELP YOU PART OF THAT. RIGHT. THANKS YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL YIELD TO GO IN AND, UM, AND CARL, OH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY. UM, MY NAME'S CARL AND I LIVE AT, UH, 2 41 DONALDSON AVENUE. AND, UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU APPLICATION. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, EXCUSE ME. LAST WEEK WE, UH, WE COMPLETED THE INSTALL OF OUR NEW ROOF. AND BECAUSE WE LIVE ON DONALDSON, IT'S, UH, A FAIRLY WELL TRACKED STREET. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE COME BY AND ASK US, GEE, THE ROOF LOOKS REALLY NICE, WHO DID IT FOR? YOU'RE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ON OUR ROOF. WE FEEL THAT BY ADDING THE SOLAR PANELS WHERE HAS SUGGESTED THEY BE PLACED WOULD ATTRACT THAT SAME LEVEL OF INTEREST, WHICH WE'VE SEEN THE PANELS, AND WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL PANELS THAT YOU MAY, MAY, MAY NOT BE, UH, USED TO SEEING, BUT THEY ARE, UH, VERY AESTHETICALLY SOLAR PANEL HOPING THAT WE ARE ENVIRONMENTALISTS. WE'RE KIND OF HOPING THAT, UH, WHEN FOLKS STOP BY AND ASK US ABOUT THE SOLAR PANELS, WE CAN GENERATE SOME INTEREST IN THIS AND, UM, PERHAPS MAYBE GET SOME OTHER FOLKS TO THINK ABOUT ON SOLAR PANEL PANELS TO THEIR HOME AS WELL, WHICH OF COURSE, COURSE BENEFITS THE ENVIRONMENT, IT BENEFITS . SO YOU WOULD, UH, GREATLY APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD, UH, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER THOSE THINGS BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR, UH, [02:25:06] WAS THIS JUST ME? I, I COULD NOT HEAR VERY CLEARLY. I MEAN, I GUESS I THINK I UNDERSTOOD THE MESSAGE, BUT YEAH, I WAS, IT WAS BREAKING UP, BUT I BELIEVE I GOT THE MESSAGE MESSAGE AS WELL. UH, DO WE HAVE OTHER, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DO. UM, SO THIS COMES FROM THE, UH, FROM ANDREA GARZA, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, THE M P N A APPRECIATES NEIGHBORS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN NOT ONLY IMPROVING THE RESIDENCES, BUT ALSO FINDING WAYS TO ENHANCE SUSTAINABILITY IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. PRIMARY STRUCTURE AT 2 41 DONALDSON AVENUE HAS A UNIQUE COMPACT STEEP SLOPE AND INTERSECTED INTERSECTING GABLE ROOF LINE. THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ROOF LINES CHALLENGE THE ABILITY TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS WHILE PREVENTING THEIR VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. THE ORIENTATION OF THE HOME WITH RESPECT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT RIGHT-OF-WAY VIEWS FROM THE DONALDSON SLASH SAN ANTONIO OF THE PROPERTIES WEST SIDE ROOF LINES. IT IS WITH THESE CONCERNS THAT THE NP AND A REQUEST H C C PROVIDE APPROVAL FOR SOLAR PANELS ONLY ON THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. AND P N A NOTES FOR THE RECORD, SOLAR PANEL INSTALLATION COAS, WERE ISSUED BY O H P FOR ONLY THE REAR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURES AT 2 0 2. CLUB DRIVE TWO 16, CLUB 2 22 DONALDSON, 2234 WEST MISSILE TOW, 2223 WEST MISSILE TOW, 2222 WEST MAGNOLIA, 2116 WEST SUMMIT, 2210 WEST GRAMERCY, AND 2354 WEST GRAMERCY. ALSO 2 39 CLUB DRIVE, AND 2 39 MARY LOUIS DRIVE RECEIVE COAS FOR SOLAR PANEL INSTALLATION ON THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. AND P N A DISAGREES WITH THE CO O A ISSUED FOR 3 45 NORTH DRIVE FOR INSTALLATION OF SOLAR PANELS ON THE FRONT FACADE. H C R C STATED DURING THE CASE THAT TREES WOULD SCREEN THE VIEW FROM THE SOLAR PANELS OF THE SOLAR PANELS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. HOWEVER, THE LEAFLESS TREES SIX MONTHS AGO, SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, DEPICT A DIFFERENT VIEW IN PERSPECTIVE OF SCREENING. AND P AND A WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT BIG SOLAR, UH, BIG SUN SOLAR.COM, SPONSORED BY CCPS ENERGY, PROVIDES THE OPTIONS FOR SOLAR ENERGY WITHOUT CREATING ROOF PENETRATIONS. WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION, CONSIDERATION, EXCUSE ME, FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS AND YOUR SERVICE ON H T R C. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S EXACTLY, UH, WHAT'S MAKES THIS SPECIFIC. THAT'S WHY WE LOOK AT CASE BY CASE, UM, WHEN, ESPECIALLY ON SOLAR PANELS, UM, WE HAVE APPROVED SOME PROPERTIES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SOLAR PANELS ON THE FRONT, BUT IT, UH, IT WAS RECENTLY, LIKE A MONTH AGO, BUT THE PITCH OF THIS ROOF IS REALLY, I THINK, WHAT MAKES THE, THE PROBLEM HERE. IT'S, IT, IT JUST, IT'LL BE DIFFICULT TO MINIMIZE THE VISIBILITY. MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I AGREE WITH THE, UH, MONTICELLO PARK, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASSESSMENT OF THIS. THEY DID A GREAT, UH, RECOUNTING OF THOSE CASES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE, THEY'VE ALL BEEN ON ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. AND, UH, WHILE THERE MAY BE CASES IN DIGNITY OR MONTE UH, UH, MONTEER OR KING WILLIAM, UH, THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE HERE IN MONTICELLO PARK. AND I THINK GIVEN THE, UM, THE TUDOR REVIVAL STYLE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ROOF, THE, UH, GABLES, THE GABLE THAT INTERSECTS THAT, THAT, UH, ROOF THAT THEY'RE, UH, PROPOSING, HAVING THE, THE SIX PANELS ON THE FRONT, THE FACE OF THE HOUSE, I THINK IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL. AND I, I AGREE THAT, UH, UH, WHILE, YOU KNOW, FREEDOM SOLAR MAY NOT WANT TO, UH, HEAR THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, C P S HAS A GREAT PROGRAM THAT FOR A SOLAR FARM, UH, CALLED, UH, YOU KNOW, BIG SUN SOLAR, WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY OWNERS YOU CAN INVEST IN THAT IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, SOLAR FARM THAT'S OFFSITE. YOU GET THE SAME CREDITS, YOU GET THE SAME BENEFITS YOU EVEN GET A YARD SIGN TO, TO INDICATE THAT YOUR PARTICIPANT IN THE PROGRAM, AND YOU ALSO RETAIN THE, UH, THE BEAUTY OF YOUR HISTORIC HOME WITHOUT HAVING, UH, THOSE ELEMENTS THERE. AND ALSO THOSE ARE INVESTMENTS THAT GO WITH YOU. SO IF YOU CHOOSE TO SELL THIS HOME, UH, YOU CAN, YOU ARE STILL INVESTED IN THE SOLAR FARM, AND, UH, SAN ANTONIO IS NUMBER ONE IN TEXAS, UH, FOR, UH, FOR CITIES IN SOLAR, UH, POWER GENERATION, UM, AND NUMBER FIVE, THE NATION. SO, YOU KNOW, I AM VERY MUCH, UH, IN FAVOR OF SUSTAINABLE, RENEWABLE, UM, UH, ENERGY SOURCES, AND I THINK THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS TOO, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALSO IN FAVOR OF RETAINING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF OUR, OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I'M OPPOSED TO THIS GOING ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. I DEFINE WITH IT GOING IN ON AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE, UM, THE APPROVALS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, CHAIRMAN FITZER, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. I IS THE SOLAR PANEL ACCOMPANIED THERE ON THE, ON THE PHONE? UH, YEAH, I'M HERE. [02:30:01] UM, ARE, ARE THERE, IS THERE THE AVAILABILITY OF A CUSTOMIZABLE PANEL THAT, THAT, UM, CUTS ANGLES OR THEY'RE ALL JUST RECTANGLES? UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RECTANGULAR. YEAH. THERE'S, THERE'S NOT, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YEAH, AN ANGLED, ANGLED PANEL. HMM. THAT'S A SHAME, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT KIND OF AN ANGLED PANEL THAT FOLLOWS ROOF RIDGES AND UH, AND PITCHES, I THINK PRESENTS AN ARGUMENT THAT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO, UH, TO DISPUTE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I, I'M TRYING TO, I, WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, UM, UH, WHAT RIGHTS THE COMMISSION HAS TO PREVENT SOMEONE FROM PARTICIPATING IN, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A ROOF TECHNOLOGY THAT, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THOSE HOUSES WERE BUILT, THERE WEREN'T TVS, RIGHT? IT'S ALMOST LIKE TELLING SOMEBODY YOU CAN'T TAKE A TV INTO IT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE A TV WHEN, WHEN IT WAS BUILT. NOW I KNOW WE DON'T DEAL WITH THE INSIGHT, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A REASONABLE COMPARISON, RIGHT? THIS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT, I WOULD IMAGINE, UH, TO, UH, CHAIRMAN INVESTOR. I'D LIKE TO ANSWER THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, IT'S EXPLICITLY ADDRESSED IN THE GUIDELINES, UM, THAT THE SOLAR PANELS, UH, SHOULD BE AVOIDED OF BEING PUT ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC ROADWAY. WE ARE HERE TO ADVISE ON THE APPLICATIONS OF THOSE GUIDELINES, BUT THIS ISN'T LIKE AN ARBITRARY DECISION OF, OF H D R C. NO, NO, I KNOW, BUT IS, BUT IS THERE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? YES, I THINK THERE IS. YEAH. THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY IN THIS SITUATION FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UM, THE, THE ANGLE PITCH, YOU KNOW, 37 DEGREES, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THE EXACT SAME PITCH AS THE STRUCTURE THAT I REFERENCED IN THE OTHER DISTRICT. UM, OBVIOUSLY IT SOUNDS LIKE EACH DISTRICT MAY BE, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT IN, ITS, IN ITS GUIDELINES, PERHAPS FOR THE PRECEDENT. BUT , WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING THE SOLAR PANELS. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT SOLAR PANELS ARE NOT PERMITTED. WE'RE JUST, THE GUIDELINES WILL JUST, SO WHAT WE SAYING, THE PROBLEM IS THE CLIENT, THE CLIENT OF THE SOLAR COMPANY, IS NOT LEGIBLE TO GET THE REBATE FROM C P S BECAUSE OF LESS AMOUNT OF PANELS OR POWER FROM THE PANELS. THAT IS ALL, THAT IS ALL THE CLIENT HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT SOLAR PANELS AND CAN'T PUT, WE'RE NOT PREVENTING THAT. THE PROBLEM IS JUST THAT THE AMOUNT OF PANELS THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT REBATE. THAT'S THAT. AND THAT IS A GREAT SUGGESTION WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS SAYING, WHICH WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO MANY APPLICANTS. YES. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FEOR AND I WOULD COMMITTEE, I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER GRU ON THEIR ASSESSMENT OF, OF, UM, WHAT THE GUIDELINES, UH, ARE TELLING US AS WELL AS, UH, WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IS TELLING US. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE USING THE WORD WE, I'M NOT INCLUDING MYSELF IN THAT WE'RE DOING THIS OR DOING THAT. I, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. UH, I JUST SEE THAT THERE, THERE'S AN IMBALANCE IN WHAT SOMEONE IS ABLE TO, UH, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF GLOBALLY, RIGHT. AS A CITY AND A GUIDELINE THAT PREVENTS SOMEONE ELSE FROM HAVING THE SAME RIGHT. OR OPPORTUNITY, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DEFINE IT. I MEAN, UM, WELL, LIKE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SAID, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO INVEST IN THE, THE CITYWIDE PROGRAM WITHOUT PUTTING PANELS ON THEIR ROOF. NO, I, I, I UNDERSTAND NOT APPROPRIATE. VELASQUEZ IS BRINGING SUBJECTS, I UNDERSTAND THAT UP IN ANOTHER TYPE OF MEETING AND NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, BUT YOU'RE MAKING, YOU'RE MAKING, WE ARE MAKING, WE ARE MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE PERSON'S NOT GONNA BATTERY THE, THE, THE ENERGY AND USE IT CORRECT. FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES. SO I, I'M NOT TRYING TO CHALLENGE THE INTELLIGENCE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. UH, I'LL DEFER TO, YOU KNOW, UH, THEIR COMMENTS AS THEIR POSITION AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I MAINTAIN MY POSITION, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT I'M, I'M BEING CREATIVE WITH THE, UH, SOLAR PANEL COMPANY THERE TO TELL THEM THAT I THINK THEY'RE MISSING A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, UH, UH, CREATE, UH, A, A, UH, THE ABILITY TO, TO ANGLE, UH, THE PANEL SO THAT THEY FOLLOW THE PITCHES OF THE ROOFS. BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMS THAT, UH, THAT THERE IS AN AESTHETIC OPPORTUNITY THAT CAN HELP YOU MEET THE GUIDELINES AND MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR WHY THAT CUSTOM DESIGNED ROOF PANEL FITS IN THE RIGHT SPOT. IT ACTUALLY ADDS TO THE AESTHETIC OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY. THIS, THIS, [02:35:01] YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT DISCUSSION. AND MAYBE IT'S A D R C WITH THE SOLAR PANEL MANUFACTURERS WHERE WE CAN GET INTO MORE DETAIL. UH, MAY WE HAVE SPECIFIC COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CASE AND HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP A MOTION. I, I GUESS THERE WAS A, AN, SORRY, UM, I JUST LOST IT WAS, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THAT STIPULATION. ALL SET. VELASQUEZ, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUBE, RUBE, ARE YOU MUTED? I'M JUST GONNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS MEANT RELOCATING THE FRONT PANELS TO SOMEWHERE ELSE YOU SAID WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WHICH IT'S RETAINING IT ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UM, AND EVEN THE, THE PANELS THAT ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. GROVE. AYE, UH, FETZER AYE. AND LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. [16. 21-1441 Address/Description: 111 W HUISACHE AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-003 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Mitsuko Ramos/GRGTX Lobbying LLC Request: Stained concrete installation at driveway City Council Dist.: 1 ] OKAY. ITEM 16 1 11 WEST ATCH HAS BEEN POSTPONED. [17. 21-1416 Address/Description: 415 HAYS ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-448 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant:Juan Fernandez/CVF LLC Request: Construction of three, 2-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2 ] UM, THAT MEANS THIS IS ITEM 17, 4 15 HAYES. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE WITH THE APPLICANT? YES. YES, I AM. OKAY, GO AHEAD. JUST A NOTE. UM, AFTER THIS CASE, I'M GONNA TAKE A CALL FOR A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, JIM. ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2024 48,415 HAYES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THREE, TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LIGHT AT FOUR 15 HAYES. LOCATED WITHIN THE DIG WHITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH Q WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION FEATURE SETBACKS THAT ARE GREATER THAN THE SETBACK OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THIS LOT ON HAY STREET. NOTED IN FINDING E TWO THAT THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM OR LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP IN A STANDARD GAL BLOOM FINISH. IF A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP IS USED, IT MUST BE APPROVED REGARDING SIDING, STAFF FINDS THE USE OF SMOOTH FACE COMPOSITE SIDING TO BE APPROPRIATE. I OVERLAP. SIDING SHOULD FEATURE, UH, FOUR INCH EXPOSURE THICKNESS OF THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH IN MITERED CORNERS. AND THAT BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING SHOULD FEATURE BOARDS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 12 INCHES WIDE WITH BATTENS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF INCH WIDE. COLUMNS THAT ARE FEATURE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM, THAT WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WITH WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN FINDING M IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOORS BE SEPARATED TO FEATURE TWO DOORS AT EACH GARAGE, AND THAT EACH GARAGE DOOR FEATURE WINDOWS AND FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT PRODUCED MASSING FOR THE MIDDLE AND REAR STRUCTURES THAT APPEAR TO BE SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON HAYES, SUCH AS REDUCED RIDGE HEIGHTS OR ONE STORY MASKING IN EACH GARAGE. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, JUAN FERNANDEZ ON THE LINE. JUAN, ARE YOU THERE? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, WELL, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS, AS, AS ED MENTIONED, TO BUILD THESE THREE HOMES, UH, TRYING TO KEEP THE SAME SETBACK OR MORE, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE AERIAL PHOTO WHERE WE OVERPOST THE SITE PLAN, UH, THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES IS GONNA BE LOWER THE SUM OF THE, THE STRUCTURES IN THE SAME BLOCK. UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE AROUND 24 FEET TALL, INCLUDING ONE FOOT, UH, ONE FOOT HIGH. UH, THE FOUNDATION, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, ALSO TO HAVE, UH, EIGHT FOR THE DRIVEWAY SO THAT FROM THE STREET, THE LOOK, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, WHICH SEEMS LIKE ONE HOME. UH, THE, THE PROPERTY SLOPES AROUND THREE FEET FROM HAYES TO THE, TO THE ALLEY. SO WHAT WE PROPOSED IS THAT THE STRUCTURES, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RENDERS SLOPE DOWN, SO THE MASSING, IT'S MORE PROMINENT ON HAY STREET AND COMES DOWN TOWARDS THE ALLEY. UH, WE DIFFERENTIATED THE MASSING OF THE THREE STRUCTURES AS PREVIOUSLY WE [02:40:01] HAD THEM LOOKING THE SAME. SO NOW THE THREE, UH, THE THREE BUILDINGS ARE DIFFERENT. THE, THE MOST PROMINENT, THE ONE FACING HAY STREET STREET, AND THEN, UH, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE HAS, UH, ONLY IT'S SMALLER AND THE WAY IN THE BACK HAS A DIFFERENT, UH, PORCH. SO, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO HAVE ALL OF THESE, UH, INDEPENDENT LOOK DIFFERENT, UH, WE, WE MET WITH THE H PARK, THE HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND, UH, THEY SUPPORTED, UH, THESE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. UH, WE ALSO MET TW TWICE WITH A D R C, AND WE HAD GREAT, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE REVISED FOR THESE. UM, THIS MEETING TODAY, UH, WE INCLUDED, UH, WINDOWS ON THE GARAGE DOORS AS ONE OF THE COMMISSION'S COMMISSIONERS, UH, RECOMMENDED AS WELL AS WE ADJUSTED SOME OF THE OVERHANGS ON, ON THE PROPERTIES. THAT WAS THE OTHER SUGGESTION, UH, ON THE D R C MEETING. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, THESE, THESE HOMES ARE GONNA BE, THE PLAN ON THESE HOMES ARE GONNA BE ZERO ENERGY READY HOMES, UH, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, UM, CERTIFIED AND BUILD ING GREEN LEVEL TWO, UM, ON SOLAR AND E B READY. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE DO. UM, THE FIRST COMES FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONTINUES TO OPPOSE THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AT FOUR 15 HAY STREET. PROPOSED INTEGRATED CARPORTS SETBACKS AND IMPERVIOUS LOT COVERAGE APPEARS TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND AT DIGNITY HILL. THE INTEGRATED CARPORTS AND AN IDENTICAL MASSING CONTRIBUTE TO AN OVERWHELMING VISUAL IMPACT DETRACT FROM THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF HOMES FOUND IN THIS DISTRICT. UM, THE NEXT COMES FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND WE DO NOT SUPPORT O H P'S RECOMMENDATION. THE PROJECT COMPLETELY DISREGARDS THE HISTORIC CONTEXT AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WITH A THREE, TWO STORY HOUSES AND ATTACHED GARAGES ALONG A PRIVATE COMMON DRIVEWAY STAFF'S COMMENTS TO CONTEXT AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN COVER ONLY BUILDING HEIGHTS, AND DO NOT ADDRESS THE ACTUAL THREE STRUCTURES ON WHAT IS TRADITIONALLY A SINGLE FAMILY LOT AMASSING AND PROPORTION ON FORMS ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE ONLY. CONFORM ONLY CONFIRM THIS PROJECT DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE SPIRIT AND PRINCIPLES OF THE GUIDELINES. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. WE, UM, WE SAW THIS AT A D R C AND, UM, A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED BY THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BECAUSE, UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO MADE IT CLEAR ON THE D R C, UM, I GUESS WE WERE ABLE TO SEE SOME MORE, UM, MAYBE GO THROUGH MORE THE DOCUMENTS, BUT THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY IS EXACTLY ALSO A THREE HOME, I THINK, I GUESS THE SAME APPLICANT HAS ALREADY BUILT AS WELL. AND, UM, THE TWO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ARE TWO STORY, UM, I I LIKE IN DIFFERENT FROM THE PROJECT THAT WE HEARD EARLIER TODAY. I THINK THIS BLOCK ACTUALLY HAS THIS TYPE OF PROPERTIES ON THERE. UM, THE APPLICANT DID NOT, UM, SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE STIPULATIONS, UH, AT THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT 'EM AT D R C. DO YOU WANNA CLARIFY ON THE STIPULATIONS? SURE. UH, SO ON THE STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, THAT THE STAFF IS, UH, YOU MEAN THE STAFF, WHAT, WHATEVER THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO, TO DO. WELL, I KNOW THAT THE D R C YOU EXPLAINED THE SETBACK AND ALSO ABOUT THE ROOF. I MEAN, I GUESS YOU'RE AGREEING TO IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA GO INTO DETAILS. YOU MENTIONED IT AT THE D R C MEETING. YEAH, WE, WE WENT OVER ALL OF THOSE DETAILS ON THE D R C MEETING AND, AND THESE, WE INCLUDED THE REVISED PROPOSAL ON THE RENDERS. UM, UH, FOR THIS PRESENTATION, UH, WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE D R C, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF TO, UH, READ EACH OF THE STIPULATIONS TO, UM, BE ABLE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT DIRECTLY ADDRESS THAT OR, UH, TO KIND OF MOVE US FORWARD? YES, PLEASE. AND JUST A REMINDER, THIS DID RECEIVE, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ON OCTOBER 21. THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. BEFORE YOU READ THESE INTO THE RECORD, UH, UH, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT FOR COMMISSIONER GROUP THAT A, THE LETTER FROM H PARK IS IN THE WRITTEN COMMENTS IN SUPPORT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. UM, I BELIEVE BASED ON, ON MY REVIEW, UH, UH, STAFF STIPULATION ITEM ONE IS, IS, UH, MET, UM, [02:45:01] TWO IS IN REGARDS TO ROOF MATERIALS IN SOME COLUMN DETAILS. UM, THREE IS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS. UH, FOUR IS THE, THE GARAGE DIVISIONS, AND IT'S FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROBABLY, UH, IS THE REASON THE APPLICANT PROBABLY HASN'T AGREED TO ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, AND THAT'S THAT ARE THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL REDUCED HEIGHT ON THE REAR TWO, TWO STRUCTURES. UM, CAN, CAN I ASK FOR ANY, ANY SORT OF REPORT FROM THE D R C ON THE, ON THE HEIGHT OR THE REDUCTION IN HEIGHT ON THE REAR STRUCTURES THAT OCCURRED PREVIOUSLY SINCE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL? WELL, THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED THAT THE LOT BECAUSE OF THAT, HOW THE LOT GOES DOWN. AND I GUESS ONE OF THE PICTURES IN THE PRESENTATION, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT SLIDE, BUT THAT WAS EXACTLY, SO ACTUALLY FROM THE VIEW OF THE STREET, UH, FROM HAYES, THEY ARE SUBORDINATE BECAUSE OF HOW THE LOT GOES. AND BAIN IS ACTUALLY AN ALLEY THAT HAS AN ENTRYWAY. SO I GUESS THAT WE, WE HAVE, UM, SEEN ON OTHER PROPERTIES THAT, THAT IT WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT. AND THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SUCH AN AID EFFORT TO MAKE THIS FRONT HOME MORE LOOK LIKE A STANDALONE HOME THAT IS FOUND ON THE BLOCK. THERE YOU GO. THERE, YOU CAN SEE IT, THIS COMMISSIONER. THAT'S WHY WE ALSO ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE THE, THE, THE GATE AT THE ENTRANCE. SO THAT WOULD, FROM, FROM HAY STREET, IT WILL LOOK LIKE ONE HOUSE. AND WE, WE BASICALLY, UH, AGREE WITH ALL THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF, UH, JUST ON, ON ITEM NUMBER, WELL, ONE, TWO, AND THREE, WE, WE AGREE, UM, ON THAT ITEM FOUR, WE JUST ARE PROPOSING, WE INCLUDED THE, THE WINDOWS ON THE GARAGE DOORS, HOWEVER, WE ARE PROPOSING ONE DOOR INSTEAD OF TWO BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, THESE ARE SMALLER GARAGES. SO, UH, HAVING TWO DOORS, IT MAKES IT, I MEAN, TOUGHER TO SQUEEZE THE CARS. AND ALSO IT'S WAY MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO HAVE ONE DOOR INSTEAD OF TWO. UH, AND TO US, IT LOOKS ABOUT THE SAME. AND ITEM FIVE, I THINK, UH, WE MORE OR LESS COMPLY WITH THAT, UH, IN GENERAL BECAUSE THE, THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE IS ACTUALLY, THE MASSING IS LESS, UM, IT'S ONLY ON TOP OF THE GARAGE IS ONLY ONE STORY, AND THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK, SO IT'S A DIFFERENT PORCH. SO OVERALL, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. AND, AND THE SLOPE, OF COURSE, THAT THERE'S A, SO HAY STREET, IT'S LIKE AROUND THREE FEET TALL, TALLER, HIGHER THAN, UH, THE ALLEY. SO THE STRUCTURE ON HAY STREET'S GONNA BE THREE FEET TALLER, TALLER THAN THE ONES ON THE ALLEY. THIS, THIS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I, I, I, I WANNA APPLAUD STAFF FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I REALLY SEE THIS AS KIND OF A REAL PROGRESSIVE, UH, UH, SET OF, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS. AND, AND, UH, AND I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO NUMBER FIVE, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, NUMBER FIVE IMPLICATES A LOT MORE THAN, THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT, THAT, THAT MASSING IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OVERARCHING, UM, UH, SITUATION. UH, THE, THE DESIGNS ARE REALLY BEAUTIFUL. THEY'RE VERY, UH, SYMPATHETIC WITH EACH OTHER. UM, THEY, UM, THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, STREET ELEVATION IS REALLY A, A, A VERY INFORMATIVE, UH, DRAWING AND REALLY DO APPRECIATE, UH, THE WORK. BUT I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, THE CONSEQUENCES OF, UM, OF ASKING, UH, A A REALLY, UH, UM, UM, WHAT WOULD THE WORD BE? YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SAY PERFECT, BUT LET ME SAY PERFECT, A REALLY PERFECT DESIGN FLOW. AND, YOU KNOW, KNOWING HOW, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN ARBITRARY, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, OR GENERAL MASSING COMMENT CAN REALLY CAUSE SOMETHING THAT'S PERFECT TO BECOME IMPERFECT. AND I, I SAY THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE IDEA THAT IF YOU BUILT ONE HOUSE BY ITSELF, AND THEN YOU CAME BACK AND YOU BUILT THE SECOND HOUSE, AND THEN YOU CAME BACK AND YOU BUILT THE THIRD HOUSE THERE, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THEY'RE ALL GONNA MEET THE SAME PLATE HEIGHTS. THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE THE SAME ROOF PITCHES, THEY'RE ALL GONNA DO THIS. SO IN THE END, UH, THE STANDARD THAT'S CREATED HISTORICALLY IS CREATED THAT VERY WAY, RIGHT? WHETHER THEY'RE SEARS CATALOG HOUSES OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL STANDARD. SO IN THIS CASE, THE FACT THAT THE STREET, UH, UH, SLOPES, UH, REALLY INCREASES, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO DRAMATICALLY SHOW THIS, THIS, UH, UM, UH, A GRADUATED, UM, UH, RISE OF THE, OF THE ROOF, UH, GOING FORWARD. UH, BUT IT ALSO MEETS THAT, THAT CRITERIA I THINK THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT WAS VERY, UH, VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT. AND I, AND I DO HAVE THE SAME CONCERN THAT HE HAS ABOUT NUMBER FOUR WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, UM, [02:50:01] UM, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE GARAGE DOORS, UH, ARE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, KIND OF A, AN ARBITRARY, UH, UH, OR, OR A COMMENT THAT'S NOT THE CAR, THAT'S NOT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CAR ITSELF, RIGHT? UH, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CAR HAS TO SQUEEZE IN AND SQUEEZE OUT. AND, AND, AND THE SMALLER THE DOOR IS, THE MORE, UH, UH, IT INCREASES THE POSSIBILITY THAT, THAT, THAT THE, THE OWNER IS GONNA BE RUNNING INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, THE WALLS. BUT, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, I, I WANNA, YOU KNOW, THANK STAFF, AND I THINK IT'S THAT VERY KIND OF THINKING THAT, THAT, UH, THAT REALLY SHOULD BE USED TO INFORM PROJECTS LIKE THE PROJECT THAT WE SAW EARLIER THAT, UH, UH, DO BRING, DO, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. THESE ARE MODERN, MODERN INTERPRETATIONS OF REALLY THE SPIRIT OF THE PAST. SO, UH, THANK YOU STAFF AND, AND I APPLAUD THE, ALSO THE, UH, THE, THE DESIGN, UH, VERY NICE CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS TWO AND THREE. I'LL, UH, SECOND VELASQUEZ, CAN WE JUST ADD THAT THE GARAGE DOOR WILL REMAIN WITH THE WINDOWS AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT TODAY? YES, ABSOLUTELY. I, SO, UH, LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT I, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE PRESENTATION AS PRESENTED TODAY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND, UH, SORRY, TWO AND THREE AND MY, UH, SECOND STANCE. THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, STAFF, IF STAFF MAY INTERRUPT. JUAN, DID YOU ALSO WANT TO PRESENT THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED? OH, IT'S IN THE PACKAGE. UH, ACTUALLY, THOSE WINDOWS ARE EXACTLY IN SCALE. THOSE ARE THE ONES SHOWN ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE ACTUAL, UH, ELEVATIONS. SO THOSE ARE TO SCALE, AND THAT EXACT SAME WINDOWS. AND THOSE ARE MARVIN WINDOWS. THOSE ARE SUPER HIGH EFFICIENT WINDOWS, UH, MARVIN WINDOWS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND, AND TO STAFF. YOU KNOW, I, I, UH, UH, I WASN'T, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, SPEC SHEETS THERE FOR THE MARVIN WINDOW. AND I, AND, AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THE MARVIN WINDOW, I HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT SETTING THE STANDARD FOR WHAT EVERYBODY SHOULD DO. UH, UH, IF YOU CAN AFFORD A MARVIN WINDOW, FANTASTIC. BUT, UH, IT, IT REALLY SETS THE BAR OF AFFORDABILITY, UH, OFF THE CHART. WELL, IS IT WOOD OR IT'S MEANT TO BE A COMPLIMENT? IS IT WOOD OR ALUMINUM? CLOUD WOOD WINDOW. I'M, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T GET THAT. SO, SO EDWARD BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE THIS IS A COMPOSITE MATERIAL, AND SO WE WOULD NEED SPECIFIC APPROVAL OF THIS WINDOW, OR IF THE STIPULATION IS UPHELD AS MADE IN THE MOTION JUST NOW, UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REVISED TO BE ALUMINUM, CLOUD, OR WOOD. IT'S A FIBERGLASS, AND IT'S THE SAME MATERIAL, UH, USED ON THE PROJECT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HAY. THEY WERE ALSO FIBERGLASS WINDOWS, AND IT'S THE SAME, UH, MATERIAL APPROVED FOR 4 22. ONE WAY. UH, IT'S ALSO, UH, SAME WINDOWS WITH FIBERGLASS WITH THE HISTORIC SHAPE. SO UNLESS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WISHES TO AMEND HIS MOTION, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH STIPULATIONS TWO AND THREE IN THE GARAGE DOORS AS PRESENTED TODAY. THAT IS CORRECT. UM, YES, STAFF. PLEASE CLARIFY, DO THE WINDOWS THAT THEY'RE, THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TODAY, UH, MEET, UH, THE CRITERIA FOR, UH, OFFSETS AND, AND, UH, PROFILES? THEY GENERALLY DO. THE ONE THING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED OR AMENDED BY THE APPLICANT WOULD BE THE REMOVAL OF THE WINDOW SCREEN, UH, THAT ESSENTIALLY COVERS THE BOTTOM SASH. IF THE WINDOW SCREEN IS REMOVED, THAT REMOVES SOME OF THE THICKNESS FROM THE MEETING RAILS AND REDUCES THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE MEETING RAIL. UH, IN REGARDS TO THE TOP AND BOTTOM RAILS, UH, OF THE SASH IS FEATURING THE SAME, UH, DIMENSIONS. UH, YES, GENERALLY THIS WINDOW DOES MEET STAFF SPECIFICATIONS, UH, HOWEVER THAT WOULD BE DEPENDENT UPON, UH, THE EXCLUSION OF THE, UH, OF THE, THE WINDOW SCREEN. AND WE WILL NOT ADD THE SCREENS, AND YOU CAN PUT THAT MEETING IN THE STIPULATIONS THAT THESE WILL NOT HAVE SCREENS. SO, UH, CHAIRMAN FESTER WITH YOUR, UH, UH, INDULGENCE. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY, UH, MOTION TO INCLUDE THE ADDITION, ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS THAT THE SCREEN, UH, NOT BE INSTALLED IN THE BOTTOM SLASH OF THE PROPOSED WINDOWS. AND I'LL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT IN MY SECOND. I [02:55:01] JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE TO REMOVE MOTION. I MEAN, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE, REMOVE THE MATERIAL OF THAT STIPULATION MAYBE FOR STAFF. IS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRING IT TO BE WOOD OR A CLAD WOOD WINDOW? YEAH, THE MOTION SHOULD BE AS PRESENTED WITH THE, I MEAN, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO REMOVE THE SCRIPT, SO AS PRESENTED, BE SUBMISSION. OKAY. ONE MORE TIME. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER . OKAY, SO, AND I APOLOGIZE, MY COMPUTER JUST SHUT DOWN, SO I'M JUST GOING AUDIO HERE. UM, SO, UM, I MOVED FOR APPROVAL, UH, FOR, UH, THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS TWO AND THREE, AND WITH THE FURTHER STIPULATION, UH, THAT REMOVE COMMISSIONER COMM CARPENTER. OKAY, SO DON'T KEEP NO FOR TO INTERRUPT. I JUST STIPULATION TWO. I WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP. UM, SO NOT NECESSARILY A PROJECT AS PRESENTED. YOU CAN INCLUDE THE STIPULATIONS, BUT THE WINDOW AS PRESENTED IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY. RIGHT. WELL, IF I MIGHT, IF I MIGHT SUGGEST, JUST LEAVE THE MOTION AS IT IS, DON'T RESTATE THE WHOLE MOTION, JUST ADDRESS THE CHANGE TO THE WINDOW, AND THEN YOUR MOTION IS THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE WINDOW. OKAY. I'M ABOUT TO JOIN YOU HERE AGAIN. SORRY, I GOT KICKED OUT FOR SOME REASON. UH, SO AS, AS THE COMMISSIONER VELO SAYS, UH, SO AMENDED A SECOND. DO WE HAVE A CLEAR ENOUGH MOTION FOR STAFF? IT'S REALLY JUST STIPULATION TWO AND THE WINDOW AS SUBMITTED, CORRECT? WITHOUT THE SCREEN AND GARAGE AS SUBMITTED? YES. SECOND. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A GROUP MOTION AND YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. UM, FISH. AYE. GIBBS AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP? AYE. FETZER AYE NATHAN? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, WE'LL NOW TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. BYE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER, UH, CALL TO H C R C BACK INTO SESSION. UH, JUST A NOTE TO THE APPLICANTS. WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE AGENDA THIS EVENING, BUT, UM, WE WILL BE HAVING A HARD STOP AT SEVEN 30 IF WE'RE BETWEEN CASES. IF WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CASE AT SEVEN 30, WE WILL COMPLETE THAT CASE. AND THEN ANY THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD THIS EVENING, WE WILL, UM, UH, ADVANCE TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE, UH, COMMISSION HEARING. OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR ITEM [19. 21-1439 Address/Description: 113 LINDELL PLACE HDRC Case No.: 2021-023 Historic District Name: River Road RIO District:RIO-1 Applicant: Seth Teel/TEEL AUDRA JANE Request: Construction of a rear accessory structure City Council Dist.: 1 ] 19. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE WITH THE APPLICANT? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 H V R C, CASE NUMBER 21 2 2 1 0 23 1 13 LINDELL, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A DETACHED REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THE CONSTRUCTION OF REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH E, UH, WITH THREE STIPULATIONS. THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO TWO STIPULATIONS. THE STIPULATION THAT THE I APPLICANT DOES NOT AGREE TO IS STIPULATION TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED TWO GARAGE DOORS TO FEATURE WOOD OR METAL CONSTRUCTION AND WINDOWS RATHER THAN ONE AS PROPOSED. HAVE THE APPLICANT SET TEAL HERE ON THE LINE NOW? YES, SIR. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YES. YES. OKAY, EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. UM, I, OTHER THAN YOU, I, I, UH, CAN'T HEAR ANYBODY, EDWARD, BUT, UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED. UM, SO GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMISSIONERS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. UH, MY NAME IS SETH TEAL. I RESIDE AT ONE 13 LINDELL PLACE, UH, HERE IN THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AS PRESENTED, I, I AM REQUESTING, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A GARAGE, UH, AND SMALL POOL HOUSE, UH, AT MY PROPERTY. UH, LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS PROPERTY. I PICKED IT UP IN 2007, AND WE SPENT, UH, OVER TWO YEARS RENOVATING THIS 101 YEAR OLD HOME, UH, AND BRINGING IT BACK TO LIFE THAT HAD SET IN LEVELS OF DISREPAIR OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO. UM, AS PART OF THAT PLAN, WE HAD ORIGINALLY DESIGNED A SMALLER GARAGE, UM, BUT AFTER WE MOVED INTO THE PROPERTY, UM, WE'VE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PULL BOTH VEHICLES OFF THE STREET. UM, AND, UH, OUR ARE ASKING YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT, I GUESS, UM, RELATIVE TO [03:00:01] THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, WE'RE IN DISAGREEMENT ABOUT OR, OR, OR THAT WE'RE CONTESTING HERE. UH, THE II THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL TWO GARAGE DOORS TO FEATURE WITH WOOD OR METAL CONSTRUCTION AND WINDOWS RATHER THAN ONE DOOR. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE QUOTE FROM THE, UH, FINDINGS FROM O H P WAS STAFF FINDS THAT DOUBLE WIDTH GARAGE DOORS ARE NOT FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT. UM, I FIND THAT STATEMENT TO BE INCORRECT. THERE ARE 129 HOMES IN, UH, RIVER ROAD. UH, OVER 10% OF THEM HAVE, UH, DOUBLE WITH SINGLED GARAGE DOORS, AND THAT'S JUST FROM VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UH, SINCE THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A GARAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ACCOUNT FOR SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DOUBLE, UH, TOTAL NUMBER OF GARAGES THEMSELVES. UH, BUT FOR US PERSONALLY, IT, IT'S A MATTER OF UTILITY OF OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. YOU KNOW, WE'RE DESIGNING A SPACE TO PARK OUR VEHICLES, A A A A FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLE AND A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, UM, AS WELL AS A COUPLE MOTORCYCLES. AND, UH, TO THAT END, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DIVIDER IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND, AND REDUCED, UH, TURNING RADIUS AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, MANEUVERABILITY IN, IN SUCH A TIGHT SPACE, UM, DOES MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, LESS USABLE AND, AND, AND A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT IF YOU'VE EVER TRIED TO BACK A, A, A TRAILER INTO ANYTHING, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM ON EACH SIDE IS, IS DEFINITELY PARAMOUNT. UM, SO, UH, IN THE PRESENTATION, I GUESS THAT, THAT, UH, IS BEING SHOWN. I DID, UH, WALKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD LAST WEEK, FOUND 13 EXAMPLES WHILE WALKING MY DOG. UH, THEY WERE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET OF PROPERTIES THAT DO HAVE A DOUBLE WIDTH GARAGE AND THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ALL VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, WHEREAS MY MINE WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. WE DO HAVE A GATE THAT, UH, AT OUR DRIVEWAY THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THE REAR YARD AT ALL. UM, BUT YES, WE, WE FOUND 13, INTERESTINGLY, FOUR OF THOSE ARE ON LINDELL PLACE. UM, THERE ARE ONLY 12 HOUSES ON LINDELL PLACE. IT ONLY SPENDS THE 100 BLOCK, WHICH HAS THREE HOUSES ON IT, AND THE 200 BLOCK, WHICH HAS, UM, EXCUSE ME, UM, NINE HOUSES ON IT. UH, AGAIN, FOUR OF THE, THE EXAMPLES THAT I'VE PROVIDED WERE ON, UH, LINDELL PLACE. UH, YOU KNOW, COUNTING FOR OVER 33% OF THE TOTAL HOMES ON THAT BLOCK, UM, HAVE ALREADY HAVE THIS SORT OF GARAGE WITH THE DOUBLE WIDTHS IN PLACE. UM, ADDITIONALLY, IF WE WERE TO ADD OURS, THAT WOULD MAKE IT ALMOST 50% WOULD BE UP IN THE, THE UPWARDS OF 40% TOTAL NUMBER OF PROPERTIES. UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT, WON'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UM, WE, OUR PROPERTY IS, IS THE LAST ONE ON THE 100 BLOCK OF LINDELL. UH, WE'RE FLANKED TO THE RIGHT, UH, BY A ANOTHER STREET AND A LARGE STRUCTURE THERE, A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY THAT, THAT BLOCKS ANY VIEW FROM THAT ANGLE. AND OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE LEFT, UH, ALSO WON'T HAVE A VIEW, UH, OF IT. AND, UH, THEY SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH A LETTER, UH, THAT WAS IN SUPPORT OF OUR, UM, OUR PROJECT HERE. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY CA CASES I PRESENTED. WE HAVE ACQUIESCED TO THE OTHER ITEMS. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M WELL VERSED IN BUILDING, UH, AND, AND RENOVATING IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UH, I, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT OKAY WITH THE FOUR INCHES OF EXPOSURE AND, UH, SMOOTH FINISH ON, ON THE SIDING. UM, HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CRIMPED RIDGE CAP. UH, IN FACT, JUST, JUST FINISHED UP ONE ON A, ON A DIFFERENT PROJECT IN, IN DIGNITY HILL THIS WEEK. SO I'M, I'M WELL VERSED IN THAT. BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, REP STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I, I, UH, THE ONE WE HAVE THE ISSUE WITH IS MORE ABOUT USABILITY AND MANEUVERABILITY AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOES FIT THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THANKS FOR THAT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. IF I COULD JUMP IN HERE. UH, WE DID GET THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN SUPPORT. UM, I WOULD ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF THE WIDER PROPORTION GARAGES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I FIND IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER. THERE ARE FOUR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND THREE. SO SECOND. BEFORE WE, BEFORE I ASK FOR A VOTE, WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS THAT NEEDED TO BE READ, CORY? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, AND JUST CLARIFICATION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH. THE APPLICANT HAD SUBMITTED SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR THE DOORS ADDING, UH, GLASS AND PANELS. UH, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. UH, [03:05:01] MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK I'D ADD A STIPULATION THAT ANY OF THE THREE OPTIONS OR FOUR OPTIONS SUBMITTED ARE, WOULD BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE AND I'D ACCEPT THAT. THANK YOU. CLARIFICATION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ? AYE. OLA? AYE. CARPENTER, UH, I THINK HE'S HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES. GROUP IS, UH, STEPPED OUT. UH, FETZER. AYE. AYE. SO THAT IS SIX VOTES. UH, MOTION CARRIES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. UM, REMINDER THAT [20. 21-1474 Address/Description: 324 E ROSEWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-033 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Matt Bishop/BEXAR DIVERSIFIED MF-1 LLC Request: Roof replacement, tile to shingle City Council Dist.: 1 ] ITEM 20 IS POSTPONED. UM, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 21. [21. 21-1434 Address/Description: 1110 VIRGINIA BLVD HDRC Case No.: 2021-019 Historic District Name: Knob Hill Applicant: Stephanie Ramirez/RAMIREZ STEPHANIE MICHELLE Request: Front yard fence City Council Dist.: 2 ] YES, ITEM NUMBER 21, CASE NUMBER 20 21 0 19 AT 1110 VIRGINIA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FRONT YARD CATTLE PANEL FENCE AND RELOCATING THE SIDE YARD PRIVACY FENCE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE FENCE DESIGN FEATURE WOULD PICKET OR ROT IRON INSTEAD OF CATTLE PANEL, AND THAT A FINAL FENCE DESIGN MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. TWO, THAT NO PORTION OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE EXCEEDS FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT, INCLUDING ELECTRICAL AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH SHOULD BE SET TO THE FENCE BEHIND THE FENCE OR MINIMALLY VISIBLE. AND THREE, THAT NO PORTION OF THE SIX FEET TALL PRIVACY FENCE EXTENDS BEYOND THE FRONT FS ON PLANE DURING THE RELOCATION TO THE APPROPRIATE PROPERTY LINE. UH, THE APPLICANT IS ON LINE. STEPHANIE, UM, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN, UH, YOUR PROTEST TO THE STIPULATION THAT IT SHOULD BE WR IRON OR WOULD PICKET FOR, UM, YOUR ORIGINAL REQUEST AS CATTLE PANEL? HI. YES, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME. I RESIDE AT 1110 VIRGINIA BOULEVARD. UM, I SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR FRONT YARD KENNEL PANEL FENCE DESIGN. UM, WITHIN THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED, WE PROVIDED PRECEDENT STUDIES OF HOMES IN SAN ANTONIO, HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE FRONT YARD KENNEL PANEL FENCING. THE PRECEDENT STUDIES PROVIDED OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE WITHIN ONE TO TWO MILES FROM KNOB HILL, BOTH NUITY AND LAVACA. UM, CONSEQUENTLY I WOULD SAY THAT THE DESIGN OF THE FENCE IS REPRESENTATIVE AND APPROPRIATE TO THIS HISTORIC AREA. IN ADDITION, ALTHOUGH AT THIS TIME THERE ARE NO CATTLE PANEL FENCES IN KNOB HILL, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION MAY NOT HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE SIZE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. KNOB HILL IS A SMALL FOUR BLOCK AREA. ALSO, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS MAY NOT HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE REQUESTED FRONT YARD FENCES. UM, THERE ARE 85 LOTS IN KNOB HILL WITH A TOTAL OF 12 HOMES THAT HAVE FRONT YARD FENCES. UM, NINE ARE WROUGHT. IRON THREE ARE CHAIN LINK AND ZERO ARE WOOD PICKET FENCES. UM, FURTHERMORE, THE CATTLE PANEL, THE CATTLE FENCE DESIGN REQUESTED, IS ALIGNED TO THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME IN WHICH WOOD IS HIGHLY PROMINENT FEATURE. OUR GOAL IS TO RESTORE OUR HOME TO ITS HISTORIC STATE AS WELL AS CONTRIBUTE TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. LASTLY, THE CANNEL PANEL FENCE DESIGN ALLOWS FOR WIND FLOW AND INCREASED VISIBILITY. WE HAVE FUTURE PLANS TO HAVE A MONARCH BUTTERFLY LANDING ZONE ALONG THE FENCE LINE. UM, AS FOR THE EU FOUR FEET HEIGHT, UM, WE ARE IN LINE WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION. THE FRONT FENCE WILL BE FOUR FEET AND THE SIX FEET PRIVACY FENCE WILL NOT EXTEND BEYOND THE FRONT ADE. THIS IS, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, LOOKING AT YOUR PROPOSAL FOR THE LOCATION OF THE, THE END OF THE SIX FOOT TALL FENCE, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST, OR I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT BEHIND THE, UH, SOUTH COLUMN OF YOUR COVERED PORCH RATHER THAN, UH, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO THAT, THAT YES, ENTIRE COVERED PORCH IS NOT, UH, IS EXPOSED FOR A VIEW. THAT'S CORRECT. IT WILL BE THE SIX FEET, UM, 12 FENCE, UM, WILL BE WHERE, UM, THE, THE, UM, WILL NOT PASS THE CORTE CO SHARE THAT FRONT, THAT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE. SO, OKAY. BASICALLY IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK AT PHOTO 12, WHICH SHOWS THE SIX FOOT FENCE COMING UP TO THE, THE, UH, SOUTH END OF THE PORTIER. YES. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD TURN 90 DEGREES WITH THE END OF YOUR SIX FOOT [03:10:01] FENCE. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE THE, WHERE THE CURRENT LOCATION IS, ALL WE'RE DOING IS JUST PUSHING IT BACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE. WE WILL NOT EXTEND THE SIX FEET FOOT, SIX FOOT FENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, IS IT STEPHANIE OR IS IT CORY? WHO, WHO DO I ADDRESS THE QUESTION TO? THIS IS STEPHANIE, THANK YOU TO, TO WE, WE AS THE CASE MANAGER. OKAY. UH, TO, WE, WE, UM, WHAT, WHY, UH, IS THE FENCE APPROPRIATE IN AN, IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT, THAT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO, I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT. FROM OTHER AREAS THAT THEY REQUESTED FENCE, LIKE THE LADY THAT HAD THE PROBLEM WITH THE DOGS ACROSS THE STREET COMING EATING HER, HER CATS, AND SHE DIDN'T GET A FENCE. HOW, WHY IS A FENCE HERE APPROPRIATE? SO FOR THE KNOB HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE ARE, UH, FENCES FOUND WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, IT'S NOT A, A YARD THAT, UH, IT'S NOT A, A DISTRICT THAT IS KNOWN FOR ITS WIDE YARDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OH. BUT THERE WERE FENCES AND THE, THE OTHER PERSON BROUGHT FENCES AS, AS WELL. UM, 'CAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT, LIKE, THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE OVERARCHING CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE THAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT TO HAVE FENCES. UH, AND, AND MORE THAN ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, I, I, I WANNA HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. AND, UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT IT'S CONSISTENT TO SAY THAT BOTH, THAT'S PART OF THE ARGUMENT THE OTHER PERSON WAS MAKING. BUT, UH, I, BUT, BUT THE, BUT THE OVERARCHING LANDSCAPE DID NOT HAVE FENCES. AND THE IMAGE HERE, CANADA LOOKS THE SAME, ALTHOUGH I SEE A CYCLONE FENCE, BUT, UM, IT SEEMS THIRD MM-HMM , SO BOTH NEIGHBORS TO THE RIGHT OF US HAVE FENCES. SO, SO USING THAT LOGIC, WHY, WHY COULDN'T IT BE A CYCLONE FENCE LIKE THE CYCLONE? IS IT A CYCLONE FENCE THERE? IS THAT A RIGHT ARM FENCE? SHE WANTS A CATTLE FENCE. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT MY, I THINK MY VALID, I'M TRYING TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION IS THAT FENCE, THAT, THAT THAT IS DOWN THERE. WHAT KIND OF FENCE IS THAT? THAT'S DOWN THE STREET IN THAT PICTURE THAT'S THERE. THAT IS A WHITE WR IRON FENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE, THE ANSWERS. COMMISSIONER LUNE, UH, DOES THE STAFF HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE FENCE EXTENDING ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY RATHER THAN RETURNING TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE? FOR THIS PROPERTY, IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR A FRONT DRIVEWAY BECAUSE OF THE PORTICO SHARE AND FULL WIDTH PORCH CONDITION. SO, SO YES, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT. BUT IF YOU WERE TO TO MAKE THAT CORNER, IT WOULD BE KIND OF INTERRUPTING THAT THE FRONT DESIGN OF THE HOUSE. OKAY, THANKS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, IN TERMS OF MATERIAL, I I, THE APPLICANT CITED A FEW OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S A PATTERN OF, UH, CATTLE PANEL FENCE. WE SEE THIS, UH, MORE PREVALENT IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE LAVACCA. UM, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AROUND THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FENCES THAT HAVE BEEN RECONSTRUCTED HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH OUR GUIDELINES IN THE, UH, THEIR ROT IRON. I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT'S POINT THAT THERE ISN'T A PATTERN OF WOOD PICKET AND I THINK I, I, I THINK THE ROT ROT IRON IS, IS THE MOST CONSISTENT WITH THE PATTERN. I HAVE SOME WORRY ABOUT THE CATTLE PANEL. I'D LIKE TO HEAR ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I, I AGREE WITH YOU COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I'M, I'M SORRY. I MEANT LIKE, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE, I THINK THE BROAD IRON WILL PROBABLY BE THE BEST, UH, TYPE FOR THIS FENCE FOR THIS PROPERTY AND NOT THE, NOT THE CATTLE EITHER. I ALSO AGREE WR IRON WOULD BE PREFERABLE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION IF, UH, YOU ALL CAN HEAR ME. YES. PROCEED. I'M HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. UH, SORRY I'M WINKING IN AND OUT HERE, BUT I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION ONE, AMENDED TO SAY WROUGHT IRON INSTEAD OF CATTLE PANEL AND STAFF STIPULATION TWO AS STATED IN THE, UH, CASE BRIEFING AS STAFF, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE AS STATED, THE STATE STATE BRIEFING, UH, CASE BRIEFING WITH THE ADDICTION THAT THE PRIVACY FENCE NOT EXTEND, UH, IN FRONT OF THE BOOK SHARE, BUT BEHIND THE BOOK SHARE. I'LL SECOND THE MO THE MOTION, UH, MR. [03:15:01] CHAIRMAN, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A COMMENT. UM, I, I, UM, I, I, THE, THE, THE VISUAL TO ME OF THIS HOUSE IS THAT MUCH LIKE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION HOUSE THAT HAD THE SERIOUS, UH, FENCE ISSUE ON HACKBERRY AND, AND THE, THE, UH, ANOTHER HOUSE THAT, THAT HAD THAT, THAT ISSUE WITH THE DOG, RIGHT? THAT THIS WOULD BE A HOUSE THAT, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE A FENCE IN THE FRONT. THAT THE PROPER PLACE FOR THE FENCE IS WHERE THAT PRIVACY FENCE IS RIGHT NOW. AND, AND LIKE THAT HOUSE ON HACKBERRY, THE OTHER APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THE FENCE TO BEGIN AGAIN IS BEHIND THE PORTICO SHARE. UM, IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON SOLUTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD THAT HAVE HOUSES THAT HAVE CONDITIONS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY HAVE TO GO AROUND AND, AND DON'T GET TO BLOCK THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UH, YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALK, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, ALL THOSE CONDITIONS. I THINK, UH, JUST THE CON THE, THE, UH, THE MOST COMMON DECISIONS MADE BY THE, BY THE UH, COMMISSIONER ARE, ARE NOT TO ENTERTAIN INTERRUPTING THE OPEN SPACE OF THE FRONT. THOSE ARE REALLY JUST COMMENTS. I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE HOW THEY WILL INFORM, UM, MY DECISION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ PASS. ABSTAIN. I'M GONNA PASS, I'M GONNA WAIT. I'M STILL THINKING AREOLA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. AYE. FETZER. AYE. LIFO AYE. QUEZ NAY. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, ITEM 22 [22. 21-1433 Address/Description: 2231 W MAGNOLIA AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-022 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Lisa Norwood Request: Roof replacement, shingle to metal City Council Dist.: 7 ] IS 2231 WEST MAGNOLIA. IS THAT ? OH, THAT'S, PLEASE. OKAY. YEAH, I'M SORRY. THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WASN'T SAFE WITH THIS ONE. HOLD ONE MOMENT. WILL THAT MEAN THAT IF YOU SAVE IT NOW WE CAN REFRESH OUR PORTAL AND SEE IT? NO, I'LL HAVE TO, UM, READ IT FROM A SEPARATE DOCUMENT. ONE MOMENT. ACTUALLY IT SHOWS UP ON PAGE 15. OH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. SORRY ABOUT THE WEIRD SAFE FORMAT. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22, CASE NUMBER 20 21 0 22 AT 2231 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING, A NEW STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ROOFING MATERIAL CHANGE BASED ON FINDING C IN KIND. REROOFING IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IF THE COMMISSION IS COM IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE CHANGE TO METAL, THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR METAL ROOF SUPPLY, INCLUDING NO RIDGE CAP OR STRIATION, AND A MATERIAL INSPECTION TO BE SCHEDULED WITH STAFF PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION. I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND EXPLAIN, UH, YOUR POSITION ON WANTING TO CHANGE TO A METAL ROOF FOR THIS STRUCTURE. YES, THANK YOU SIR. UM, CHAIRMAN FETZER, MR. EDWARDS, THE COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF. THANK YOU, UM, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY. UH, MY NAME IS LISA NORWOOD. I AM THE HOMEOWNER ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND OF 2231 WEST MAGNOLIA, UM, WHICH IS BUILT IN 1936. UM, AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE PICTURES, IT IS A MINIMAL TRADITIONAL STYLE, UM, WITH CRAFTSMAN INFLUENCE. UM, THANK YOU TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR HELPING ME FIGURE THAT OUT. UH, THE HOME WAS ORIGINALLY OWNED BY THE FAMILY OF AN ARMY LIEUTENANT WHO WAS ASSIGNED FIRST TO FORT SAM HOUSTON AND THEN TO WASHINGTON D C DURING WORLD WAR II. AND OF COURSE, OVER THE YEARS, CHANGES HAVE BEEN NAMED TO THE HOME AS NEW OWNERS HAVE MOVED IN OR MOVED OUT. UM, THESE CHANGES WERE OBVIOUSLY REFLECTIVE OF NOT ONLY THE STYLE OF THE TIMES, BUT ALSO THE EMERGENCE OF BETTER GREENER MATERIALS. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WAS NOT UPDATED, UM, ACCORDINGLY WAS THE ROOF. UM, THIS INCLUDED A POORLY EXECUTED PATCH JOB ON THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF, UM, THAT'S RESULTED IN LEAKS, CLIMATE CONTROL ISSUES, AND AN UNEVEN APPEARANCE, UH, TO THE ROOFING MATERIALS. UM, AFTER A CONSULTATION WITH SEVERAL SERVICE PROFESSIONALS, MY FAMILY BEGAN THE PROCESS OF SEEKING THE CITY'S APPROVAL FOR INVESTING IN A METAL ROOF. UM, IT'S A LONGER LASTING, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ROOFING ALTERNATIVE THAT, UM, AS YOU'LL SEE FROM SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT I'VE PROVIDED, IS IN USED THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IN A BRIEF DRIVE. IN FACT, THROUGHOUT [03:20:01] MONTICELLO PARK RECENTLY, UH, MY FAMILY FOUND AT LEAST 20 EXAMPLES OF MODERN METAL ROOFS. WHILE THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT ROOF COLORS RANGING FROM BLACK TO GREEN BROWNS, THE GLOOM, THERE WERE ALSO DIFFERENT STYLES OF HOMES, UH, INCLUDING A FAIR NUMBER OF THOSE THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE DESCRIBED AS MINIMAL TRADITIONAL. UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THOSE HOMES, UM, THAT I'VE PROVIDED AND BE ABLE TO NOTE THE NUMBER OF STYLES, DIFFERENT COLORS ON THESE APPARENTLY NEWER, NOT ORIGINAL, UH, METAL ROOFED HOMES. AND THAT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO, TO SHOW YOU IN THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UH, AS YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY'S HISTORIC GUIDELINES DOCUMENT WAS ADOPTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2012. AND SO IN THE YEARS FOLLOWING THAT IMPLEMENTATION, THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST THREE MONTICELLO PARK HOMES WHOSE ROOFS HAVE BEEN PERMITTED BY THE CITY WITH AN INDICATION THAT THEY WERE EITHER A, CHANGING FROM SHINGLES TO METAL, OR B, KEEPING SHINGLES WHEN IN FACT A METAL ROOF WAS ACTUALLY INSTALLED. NOW, ADDITIONALLY, UM, I FOUND THAT THERE'S NUMEROUS OTHERS WHOSE OWNERS APPARENTLY NEVER SOUGHT THE COAST OF PERMITS OR PERMISSION FROM O H P TO CHANGE OR UPDATE THE ROOF ON THEIR HISTORIC HOME. THAT INCLUDES ONE JUST DOWN THE BLOCK FROM US HERE ON WEST MAGNOLIA. UM, IN DOING RESEARCH TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING, I FOUND A HISTORIC PRESERVATION DEPARTMENT'S BROCHURE DETAILING THE ADVANTAGE OF ITS ADVANTAGES RATHER OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL PERTINENT POINTS, UM, THAT ARE OUTLINED AS BENEFITS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT. AND AMONG THESE IS THE INHERENT VALUE CONNECTED TO NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION. AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY SPEAKS TO THE INVESTMENT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE IN OUR HISTORIC HOMES LIFESPAN. UM, AS YOU KNOW, METAL ROOFS HAVE A SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER LIFE, DURABILITY, FIRE RESISTANCE, AND ADDITIONALLY, JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, THEY'RE MADE OUT OF RECYCLABLE MATERIALS THAT CONNECTS OBVIOUSLY TO WHAT THE BROCHURE REFERS TO AS A COMPREHENSIVE COMMUNITY ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE IMPACT THAT ASPHALT OR HEAVEN FORBID, ASBESTOS SHINGLES WILL HAVE ON OUR ALREADY TAXED LANDFILLS. UM, OF COURSE, ORDINARY REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE, BUT WITH NON-RECYCLABLE ASPHALT SHINGLES, UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE, THAT MAINTENANCE WAS DONE SO POORLY WHEN YOU COUPLE THAT WITH SOME APPARENT ANIMAL DAMAGE THAT IS ALSO PRESENT ON OUR EXISTENT ROOF. IT'S IMPACTED OUR HOME'S LIFESPAN VALUE, AND OF COURSE, THEIR POTENTIAL SAFETY AS WELL. BY INVESTING IN THIS APPROPRIATELY DESIGNED METAL ROOF, MY FAMILY IS NOT JUST INVESTING IN OUR HOME. THAT'S WHAT I HOPE TO MAKE CLEAR TO YOU TODAY. WE'RE BOLSTERING THE LOOK AND THE FIELD OF MONTICELLO PARK ITSELF BECAUSE WE'RE ENSURING THAT OUR HOME HAS A ROOF THAT'S NOT ONLY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND STRUCTURALLY SOUND, BUT THAT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LASTING FOR ANOTHER 85 YEARS. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE COME TO YOU TODAY TO ASK FOR YOUR FAVORABLE REVIEW OF MY FAMILY'S REQUEST TO HELP OUR HOMES STAND FOR ANOTHER EIGHT DECADES. UM, AND IN THAT QUEST, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HAPPY TO PARTNER WITH HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST WHEN WE SOUGHT PERMISSION TO REBUILD THE GARAGE, TO REPLACE THE GLASS IN HISTORIC WINDOWS AND ADDRESS THE BROKEN FRONT DOOR. UM, WE WILL ALSO, UH, REITERATE, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE'LL ENSURE THAT THE METAL ROOF'S COLOR AND DESIGN REFLECTS NOT ONLY THE APPROVED LOOK OF MANY OF THE OTHER MODERN METAL ROOFS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTENT IN MONTICELLO PARK, BUT IN ADDITION THAT IT REFLECTS THE SPIRIT OF OUR ECLECTIC NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, I'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT OR TRY TO BE PRETTY CONSISTENT ABOUT THIS, THAT, UH, WHEN A, UH, HOMEOWNER COMES TO, UH, O H P AND H D R C AND THEY'RE PROPOSING AN UPGRADE TO SAY A MORE MOBILE MATERIAL THAT WILL ACTUALLY SAFEGUARD THE HISTORIC, UH, RESOURCE FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, UM, I, I TEND TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ADVISE IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT. [03:25:01] UM, THERE ARE A FEW EXCEPTIONS TO THAT. I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN HISTORIC STYLES THAT PUTTING A METAL HOME ON, UM, IS, IS PRETTY DETRIMENTAL. SAY FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A SPANISH COLONIAL, IT'S VERY MUCH DEFINED BY, UH, THE CHARACTER THAT THAT, UH, BARRELL TILE ROBES. UH, ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS, IS ONE OF, OF A VERY DRAMATICALLY STEEPED, UH, YOU KNOW, TUDOR REVIVAL TYPE OF, SO THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN STYLES THAT IT JUST, IT IS I THINK, ANATHEMA TO GOING WITH THE METAL ROOF. BUT THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE, IN THIS CASE, KIND OF A MORE MODEST, SIMILAR, UH, STRUCTURE THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK ARE, YOU KNOW, IS IS DETRIMENTALLY AFFECTED BY GOING WITH . IN FACT, IT'S KIND OF IN KEEPING WITH A REGIONAL, UH, UH, VARIATION THAT WE HAVE HERE OF MELVILLE ROBES IN THIS, THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING PARTS. SO I, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, BUT FOR THOSE VERY SPECIFIC REASONS, AND IT'S NOT A BROAD BRUSH. OH, YES. UH, ALWAYS UPGRADE TO A HIGHER MATERIAL, BUT IT IS VERY SPECIFIC TO SORT OF THE CHARACTER HOUSES. I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT MY FELLOW COMMS HAVE SAID. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I LOOK AT THESE THINGS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. UM, AND SOMETIMES THE ROOFING MATERIAL IS A VERY MUCH A BIG PIECE OF THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE STRUCTURE, AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT SUCH A SIGNIFICANT ACTOR, SO TO SPEAK. UM, GIVEN THE SIMPLE GEOMETRY OF THIS ROOF AND THE SCALE, I DON'T THINK THAT A, A METAL ROOF WOULD DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER. I WOULD HOWEVER, NOTE THAT THERE ARE VERY FEW, UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT POINTED OUT THAT THAT MIGHT BE A CLIENT'S, UH, AN, UH, COMPLIANCE ISSUE, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK OF MAGNOLIA ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ROOFS HERE ARE, ARE ASPHALT SHINGLES. SO THAT DOES GIVE ME SOME PAUSE, BUT IT JUST CRAFTED IN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, I WOULD SUPPORT IT. COMMISSIONER, I'LL ASK A SEC. UM, AND I WANNA SAY, AND I WANTED TO ASK YOU, UM, ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER FISH, UM, I THINK WE KNOW THESE ALSO COME TO US BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS ACTUALLY REALLY DONE A GOOD CASE OF, OF WHAT IS FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE GUIDELINES DO SAY, I MEAN, IT'S NOT ABOUT REPLACING, IT'S ALSO ABOUT LOOKING WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS A LITTLE BIT, UM, WORRIED ABOUT IS BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF, THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE THAT MOST OF THE EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE MORE THE CRAFTSMAN WITH THE FRONT GABLE. AND THIS ONE, SINCE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FRONT GABLE, THERE'S ONLY LIKE TWO EXAMPLES OF HOMES THAT DON'T HAVE, UH, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM, AND THAT WOULD BE IT, THAT DON'T HAVE LIKE A FRONT GABLE AND THEN THE METAL ROOF. I WANT YOUR OPINION, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT A HIGH PITCHED ROOF AND IT PROBABLY WON'T IMPACT THAT MUCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, SETTER. THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUE. I, ALONG ALONG THE LINES, I THINK OF WHAT, UH, KIND OF THE SPIRIT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS, WAS, WAS THINKING. I THINK I'M, I'M CORRECT IN, IN ASSUMING THAT, THAT SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT ARE SHOWN EXAMPLES OF Y YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S, YOU ALMOST ASK, WELL, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? RIGHT. UM, THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS TO TO, TO THE REQUEST IN SO MANY WAYS. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PICTURES, UH, HELP THE CASE ANY, UH, BUT THAT ASIDE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE REAL, THE REAL AESTHETIC ISSUE HERE IS PRIMARILY THE PROFILE OF THE RIDGE, RIGHT? TO, TO REDUCE THAT RIDGE TO THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM POSSIBLE, WHICH ALSO IMPLICATES A, A RIDGE VENT, RIGHT? WHICH IS COMPLETELY, UH, WOULD THROW OFF THE AESTHETIC TO A LARGE DEGREE, BUT, BUT ALSO THAT YOU WOULDN'T EVER FIND A COLORED ROOF IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS. SO WHETHER IT'S A GAL LOOM, WHICH DOESN'T QUITE HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE FLAVOR OF THE CLASSIC, UH, UH, GALVANIZED TIN OR TIN ROOF, RIGHT? UM, THAT, THAT THERE HAS TO BE, I THINK THAT THAT IN ORDER TO, TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THIS SIMPLE AFFORDABLE HOUSE RIGHT, OF THE, OF ITS TIME THAT, UH, A, A METAL ROOF IS APPROPRIATE IF, IF EVERY EFFORT IS MADE TO KEEP THE PROFILES AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE. YEAH, I CONCUR WITH THAT. AND, AND, AND WITH THAT, UM, WE, COULD YOU SCROLL TO THE, UH, STIPULATIONS JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT I, SINCE I DON'T HAVE THAT IN MY PACKAGE, DO YOU HAVE THOSE STAFFS? IS IT AT THE END OF MY PACKAGE? OH, THERE, THEY'RE, OKAY. OKAY. SO, UM, I, I MOVE, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THE, UH, EXISTING COMPOSITION [03:30:01] SHINGLE ROOF WITH A METAL ROOF, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT FOLLOWS O HP'S STANDARD STIPULATION REGARDING METAL ROOFS, AND SPECIFICALLY TALKS TO THE ISSUES THAT, UH, PERHAPS THE COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ JUST MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A TRUE CRIMPED, UH, SEAMED, UH, RIDGE AND, UH, NOT NO RIDGE EVENTS, UH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, UM, VERY QUICKLY, UH, UH, COMM, UH, CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF HE HAS ANY CONSIDERATION FOR CONSIDERATION FOR A, UH, WHAT, FOR A, FOR A GUTTER THAT WHEN THEY GET WITH THEIR ROOF GUY, THE ROOF GUY'S GONNA ASK THEM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN ANSWER, RIGHT? CAN WE, CAN WE GET THERE WITH THE, WITH THE OWNER AND WITH THE MOTION THAT'S OUR ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED? I THINK I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT THOUGH, 'CAUSE IT IS PART OF THE SORT OF DETAILING, AND I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT THOUGH THAT THIS WOULD BE SORT OF LIKE A HALF HALF CIRCLE, UH, SIMPLE, UH, PROFILE. NOT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, UH, SORT OF COLONIAL PREFABBED, UH, ALUMINUM TYPE PROFILE GUTTER SYSTEM. SO I WOULD AMEND MY, UH, MY, UH, MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT STIPULATION AS WELL AS, UM, I FORGOT TO, TO, UH, SAY THAT IT'D BE A NATURAL GAVA LOO LIKE FINISH, JUST EVEN, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CLOSEST WE CAN GET TO, UH, MODERN ROOF MATERIALS, TO THAT SORT OF HISTORIC, UH, METAL ROOF APPEARANCE. MY SECOND STANCE. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ? AYE. OLA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP. AYE BETS, SIR? AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS ITEM 23 3 17 [23. 21-1432 Address/Description: 317 E MYRTLE HDRC Case No.: 2021-045 Historic District Name: Tobin Hill Applicant: ARMENDARIZ CHERYL KATHLEEN M & RICHARD ANTHONY Request: Installation of window screens, amend window replacement on rear structure City Council Dist.: 1 ] EAST MYRTLE. UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23, CASE NUMBER 20 21 0 4 5 AT THREE 17 EAST MYRTLE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND THE PREVIOUS WINDOW REPLACEMENT PLAN FROM NINE WOOD WINDOWS AND FIVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS TO ALL 14 ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WOOD SCREEN STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO AMEND THE ALLOWANCE OF REPLACING AN ADDITIONAL NINE WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS. BASED ON THE FINDINGS, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOW SCREENS ARE APPROPRIATE IN ADDITION TO, BUT NOT IN LIEU OF WINDOW RESTORATION. THIS CASE COMES TO US AS A, UM, RETURNING VIOLATION CASE. THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE TO, UH, BE COMPLIANT ON MANY OF THE ITEMS. THE WINDOWS ARE THE LAST ITEM OF CONTENTION. UM, TO SIMPLIFY IT, THEY ARE ASKING TO KEEP THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, BUT TO MITIGATE WITH WOOD SCREENS RATHER THAN HALF AND HALF, UH, VISIBLE WOOD WINDOWS AND INTERIOR YARD, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS. I HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. UH, CHERYL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, AND YOUR POSITION ON THE CASE. UH, YES. GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M CHERYL ARMAND AND I HAVE MY HUSBAND RICHARD ARMAND. UM, HE'LL START WITH THE CASE. HOW YOU DOING? MY NAME IS RICHARD AND, UH, WE'RE THE OWNERS OF 3 1 7 EAST MYRTLE STREET. UM, IT WAS BUILT BACK IN, UH, 1914, UM, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE DETACHED APARTMENT THAT IS LOCATED IN THE REAR OF OUR PROPERTY, BUDDING UP AGAINST THE ALLEY. IF YOU COULD REFER TO IMAGE SEVEN I. OKAY. IMAGE SEVEN? YES. THERE'S A SLIGHT LAG TIME IN THE GETTING TO THERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT IMAGE SEVEN. OKAY, PERFECT. UM, OKAY. UM, WHAT WE ARE, UH, DOING IS, UH, WE HAVE OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, AS, UH, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, FOR THE ISSUES REGARDING, UM, ONE, THE SIDING, UH, TWO, THE ROOF, UM, THREE THE DOORS, AND FOUR THE SLEEPING PORCH. AND SO WE'VE MET ALL THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS. THAT'S FOUR OUT OF FIVE. AND THE FINAL ONE, WHICH IS THE WINDOWS, UH, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT, UH, THE, UH, ITEM IS, UH, THAT WE ARE ASKING IN LIEU OF, UH, REPLACING THE WINDOWS, UM, THAT WE CAN, UM, ADD, UH, SCREENS TO THE WINDOWS AND RUN A TRIM SIDING, UM, STRAIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINDOWS BISECTING THE WINDOWS. [03:35:01] UM, IF YOU CAN REFER TO 11, UM, THROUGH 17, THAT SHOWS, UH, SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, UM, IN WHILE WE'RE USING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WHILE WE'RE GETTING UP TO, UH, CODE. UM, IF YOU GO TO, UM, ITEM 24, UM, I BELIEVE THAT SHOWS, UM, THE START OF OUR DRAWINGS, UM, OUR PROPOSED DRAWINGS WHERE I'VE DONE AN ARTIST RENDERING OF THE SCREEN, UM, AND THE VERTICAL, UM, TRIM PIECE THAT GOES IN BETWEEN THE WINDOWS, UH, REPLICATING THE HISTORIC LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, MANY EXAMPLES OF THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO YEAH. UM, SO NOW WE'RE ON SOME OF THE IMAGES, UH, FROM THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR US BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF THE HOUSE, THE MAIN HOUSE THAT SHOWS THE SCREENS ON, UM, THE WINDOWS. UM, AND WE PLAN ON MIMICKING THOSE SCREENS FROM, UH, THE MAIN HOUSE ON THIS BACK HOUSE. UM, WE HAVE, LET'S SEE, UM, SUPPORT FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OUR PROPOSED CHANGES. UM, AND WE HAVE NOTED, YOU KNOW, MANY EXAMPLES OF THESE SCREENS, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, BASICALLY SHIELD YOUR VISION OF THE WINDOW, BUT ADD TO THE AESTHETIC, UH, CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO PROPOSE. WE ALSO, IN A, IF YOU ACCEPT OUR PROPOSAL, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UM, AGAIN, MOVE TOWARD MAKING AN AFFORDABLE, SAFE, AND AESTHETIC APARTMENT, UM, IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, CHARM, UM, BY GRANTING THIS REQUEST TO YOU HELP US GET CLOSER TO THIS GOAL. AND SO I, I DREW THESE, UH, DRAWINGS TO GIVE YOU A, A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE PROPOSE. UM, IT MUST BE NOTED, UM, AND I KNOW THAT YOU FOLKS, UM, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR YOU GUYS TO WEIGH, UM, SOME OF THE FINANCIAL CONCERNS. BUT THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE THIS PROJECT HAS, UM, EXCEEDED, UM, WHAT WE COULD, UM, BEAR IN TERMS OF FINANCES FOR MAKING ALL OF THESE CHANGES. AND IF WE'RE ASKED TO CONTINUE WITH, UH, REPLACING THE WINDOWS, UM, THE WAY STAFF RECOMMENDS IT, UH, IS GONNA PUSH US FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY FROM COMPLETING OUR PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW. UM, LEMME START WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UM, THEY BELIEVE THAT THE BLATANT MISUSE OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS EXHIBITED AT THREE 17 EAST MYRTLE POINTS A NEED FOR STIFFER PENALTIES AND HIGHER DAILY FINES FOR VIOLATIONS. WE CONCUR WITH O H P STAFF TO THE PROPOSED SCREEN SHOULD BE SUPPLEMENT TO WINDOW RESTORATION RATHER THAN AN AN ENABLER FOR NONCONFORMING REPLACEMENT. UM, THE NEXT COMES FROM CHAD WALLING. I APPROVE THE SUBMISSION AND REQUEST WINDOW SCREENS WILL ADD HISTORIC VALUE TO STRUCTURE, AND CURRENT WINDOWS WILL NOT EVEN BE VISIBLE. UM, CODY DEY SAYS I SUPPORT WINDOW SHUTTERS. INSTEAD OF CHANGING OUT WINDOWS, IT'LL KEEP THE HISTORIC LOOK WITHOUT NEEDING WINDOW REPLACEMENT. I'M SUNNY AND RACHEL ACOSTA SUBMIT THAT I AGREE WITH THIS REQUEST TO ADD WINDOW SHUTTERS OVER CURRENT WINDOWS. THIS WILL CREATE ORIGINAL LOOK OF HOME AND IMPROVE BACK ALLEY PICK TORE SUBMITS. HELLO. I SUPPORT AND APPROVE THIS REQUEST. ADDING WINDOW SCREENS AND SHUTTERS WILL FINISH HISTORIC LOOK AND CURRENT WINDOWS WILL NOT BE SEEN UNDER SHUTTER. THIS STRUCTURE IS IN THE BACKYARD OF MY NEIGHBOR'S HOME. CHRISTINE KING SUBMITS I'M WRITING TO OFFER MY SUPPORT FOR THE ADDITION OF SHUTTERS TO EXISTING WINDOWS IN PLACE. I UNDERSTAND THESE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED TO REPLICATE THE EXISTING, THE DESIGN OF EXISTING SHUTTERS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, AND THAT YOU HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC DOCUMENTATION OF THESE SHUTTERS AT THE BACK. I BELIEVE IN ADDITION OF SHUTTERS WILL BRING THE HOUSE CLOSER TO ITS ORIGINAL APPEARANCE. APPROVAL OF THIS PETITION WILL SUPPORT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. UM, THE NEXT IS MARIE CARMEN DURY. UM, I SUPPORT, I APPROVE OF THIS MEASURE TO RECONSTRUCT ORIGINAL SHATTER DESIGN TO BE PLACED OVER EXISTING WINDOWS, WHICH WILL CREATE HISTORIC LOOK FOR BACK STRUCTURE. UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE A VOICEMAIL RECORDING. LET'S PLAY THAT NOW. I'M FREDERIKA KUSHNER. MY ADDRESS IS 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. [03:40:02] THIS CON CONCERNS ITEM NUMBER 23, A REQUEST TO AMEND PREVIOUS WINDOW REPLACEMENT PLAN FROM NINE WOOD WINDOWS AND FIVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS TO ALL 14 ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WOOD SCREENS AT THREE 17 EAST MYRTLE STREET. THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE HAS BEEN MONITORING THE PROGRESS OF THIS CASE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT MUCH OF THE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL OR PERMIT. WE FIND IT UNFORTUNATE THAT EVEN IF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS HAS CHANGED, ALL WINDOWS WON'T BE WOOD. HOWEVER, IT'S EVEN MORE TROUBLING TO IMAGINE ALUMINUM REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, WHICH ARE FLAT WITH A FACADE OF THE BUILDING WITH WOOD WINDOW SCREENS HUNG OVER THEM. WE AGREE WITH O H P STAFF THAT SCREENS SHOULD BE A COMPONENT OF WINDOW RESTORATION, NOT A COMPLIMENT TO NON-CONFORMITY WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. WE DO NOT APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR ALUMINUM REPLACEMENT WINDOWS WITH WOOD SCREENS OVER THEM. WE FULLY SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF O H P STAFF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO THIS CASE. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UH, I RECALL HEARING THIS CASE SOMETIME BACK, AND I BELIEVE THE CONTRACTOR WAS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME. AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL AND CAME UP WITH SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE PLAN TO GET THIS BACK INTO, UH, UH, CONFORMITY WITH THE GUIDELINES. AND I BELIEVE THE, THE WINDOWS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED REPRESENTED A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT COMPROMISE. UH, THE WINDOWS THAT WE SPECIFIED BE REPLACED AS WOOD, WHICH WERE WERE REMOVED, UH, APPEAR TO BE VISIBLE FROM A SIDE STREET OR AN ALLEY, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. AND, UM, THEIR, THEIR PROPORTIONS AND THEIR SHAPE RETURNED TO THE HISTORIC FORM. THESE ALUMINUM WINDOWS HERE ARE, ARE SHORTER AND THE OPENINGS HAD CHANGED AND THAT WAS A PARTICULAR CONCERN. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, I, I I'M SUPPORTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE PREVIOUSLY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CONS CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COMPROMISE, UH, FOR WORK DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. I WAS GONNA ASK, AND I'M ALONG THE LINES OF COMMISSIONER FISH IS HOW COME THIS PROJECT WENT SO FAR IN BETWEEN BECAUSE, UM, WHEN WE DID SEE THE PROJECT, WE DID COME WITH A COMPROMISE WHERE YOU WERE STILL ABLE TO AS WELL, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE NOT GONNA BE THE SAME IN SIZE AS THESE WINDOWS ARE INSTALLED. AND I ALSO SEE THAT THE SIDING IS DONE AND THE FRAMING AROUND THE WINDOWS. SO NOW WE WENT EVEN FURTHER DOWN THE LINE OF THE PROJECT. SO NOW IT WILL BECOME EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF WOOD BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TO REMOVE SIDING AND YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE INTERIOR FRAMING. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND WOOD WINDOWS THAT MATCH THAT, THAT MEASUREMENT. SO, AND, AND ALSO IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, WOOD SHUTTERS, I WOULD PROBABLY NOT PUT WOOD SHUTTERS ON THE SMALLER WINDOWS. I THINK IT LOOKS KIND OF A, I DON'T KNOW, IT WOULD LOOK WEIRD. IT WOULDN'T LOOK ANY, ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING HISTORIC OR TIME OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AND I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER FISH AND COMMISSIONER GROUP HAVE SAID THAT, UH, THE PREVIOUS COMPROMISE SOLUTION WAS, UH, AS FAR AS I'M WILLING TO GO. THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MAY I, I, I MOVE FOR, UH, DENIAL, UH, AS PRESENTED. THIS IS RICHARD OT. MAY I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A REQUEST RATHER? I'M SORRY. LET'S GET, SEE IF WE GET A, A SECOND ON THE MOTION AND THEN WE WILL I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. THIS IS . I SECOND. ALRIGHT, NOW YOU MAY GO MR. ARMAND, I APOLOGIZE. UM, THE LAG IS, IT'S JUST A LITTLE CONFUSING. UM, THE, THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE FACING THE ALLEY, UM, WE'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, UH, THREE, IF YOU CALL IT THE SMALL ONE. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE TWO, UH, LARGER WINDOWS THAT BASICALLY BECOME FOUR WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE FACING, UM, EAST AND FACING THE DRIVEWAY. UM, WOULD IT BE, UM, WOULD IT, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SWITCH THE SIDES THAT WE AMEND, UM, DOING THE ALLEY SIDE AND PERHAPS MAYBE THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS THE SIDE THAT FACES [03:45:01] THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT, WHICH IS ALSO CLEARLY VISIBLE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME WHERE THE FIVE ELEMENTAL WINDOWS THAT WE ALREADY HAD APPROVED? WHERE ARE THEY? YES, MA'AM. THE, THE WINDOWS, UM, THAT WERE REQUESTED TO BE RE REPLACED ARE THE EAST SIDE. UM, THEY LIKE TWO WINDOWS, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY FOUR WINDOWS AND THEN THE ALLEY WINDOWS THAT ARE, UM, UH, FACING THE ALLEY. UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE NORTH SIDE AND THERE'S 1, 2, 3 WINDOWS IN TOTAL. THAT LITTLE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE MAKES OUT THE THIRD WINDOW. CAN, CAN STAFF HELP? CAN STAFF HELP US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CHANGE WOULD BE? YEAH, UH, SO THE, THE CURRENT, UM, THE CURRENT APPROVAL FROM THE PAST HEARING IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS PHOTO THAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS TO RESTORE THESE NINE INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS. I KNOW THE APPLICANT HAS CITED THEM AS COMBINED, BUT THEY ARE NINE INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS BACK TO WOOD. UH, AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, ASKED TO CONSIDER AMENDING TO ALLOW FOR THIS WINDOW FACING THE RESTAURANT TO BE WOOD, IF THAT MEANS ALLOWING THESE TO BE KEPT AS ALUMINUM. SO THE TRADE OFF WOULD BE FOUR FOUR WITH THE ONE, WHAT'S UNDER THAT TARP ON THE, THE WEST. I THINK THAT'S THE WEST FACE TOWARD THE MEXICAN FOOD RESTAURANT. IF YOU GO ONE IMAGE. SO UNDER THAT TARP IS A SLEEPING PORCH, WHICH AT THE LAST COMMISSION UNDER A COMPROMISE WAS ALSO ELIGIBLE FOR ENCLOSURE WITH KEEPING THE, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL TRIM DETAIL TO SHOW THAT IT WAS ONCE A PORCH. SO THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I, I I, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, REQUEST GIVEN, GIVEN THAT WE ALLOWED THE SLEEPING FORCE TO BE CLO IN CLOSED IN THE, THE, THE BIGGER IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER IS ON, ON THE SIDE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY. AND I KNOW THAT SWITCHING IT, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT TO THAT ON THAT, SINCE WE MADE A MOTION? UH, NO, I, I DON'T WANT TO AMEND MY MOTION. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THIS SORT OF, UH, RENEGOTIATING EVERY TIME COMING BACK AND, AND, UH, I THINK THE, UH, HARD ROCK, UM, SOLUTION WAS FOUND BEFORE AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS WOULD BEGIN TO UNRAVEL IT FURTHER. SO I STAND WITH MY MOTION IN DENIAL OF THIS, THIS PROPOSED, UH, CHANGE TO THAT EARLIER, UH, COMPROMISE. AND THEN COMMISSIONERS THAT IF STAFF CAN GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE, THAT WAS A PICTURE THAT WE WERE ASSUMING WAS THE SITUATION OR THE, THE, WHERE WE WERE AT IN THE PROJECT WHERE THERE WERE STILL SOME, YOU KNOW, EASY REMEDY, I MEAN EASIER REMEDY WHERE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THERE. UM, SO I, I WAS ALSO VERY SORRY TO SEE THAT THAT HAD BEEN, HAD GONE FURTHER, UM, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING ANY CHANGE. UM, JUST FOR THE APPLICANT'S SAKE, I'M SURE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, CORRECT? THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION, UH, FOR APPEAL. YES. I, I'D LIKE TO, TO TO JUST MAKE, MAKE NOTE THAT FROM THE IMAGES THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THE, THAT THE OWNER HAS TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY RE RE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CITY THINKS THE OWNER HAS TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY, UH, THAT THE, UH, COMPROMISED, UH, CONDITION OF WHATEVER WAS THERE. BECAUSE CLEARLY THE IMAGES ARE, ARE SHOWING THAT THIS IS A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION OF SOMETHING THAT WAS THERE. AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT RULES, UM, ARE, ARE ANY LESS IMPORTANT, BUT WHEN A BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, UM, REALLY CHALLENGED IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S A PROVEN NOT, NOT IN SOMEONE TRYING TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN OR SOMEBODY TRYING TO MAKE A A CASE, BUT WHEN YOU SEE THE GUTS OF IT AND YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF STUDS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED DIRECTLY SPEAKS TO, TO, UH, THEM DOING WHAT THEY HAD TO DO. BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T REPLACE A STUD UNLESS YOU, YOU UNLESS YOU HAVE TO, ESPECIALLY TODAY 'CAUSE THEY COST SO MUCH. RIGHT. UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST A LITTLE PAT ON THE BACK TO THE, TO THE, TO THE OWNER WHO I'M SURE IT, YOUR INTENT IS TO, TO CREATE IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA AND TO MAKE IT, TO MAKE IT WORK FOR YOU. BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE THE TERM THAT YOU USED EARLIER THAT, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABILITY FOR THE, THE PERSON THAT I GUESS WOULD RESIDE [03:50:01] THERE. AND THERE'S A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN WHAT YOU PAY AND WHAT THE RENT IS GONNA BE, I'M SURE. UM, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST THANK YOU FOR, FOR CLEANING UP A SITUATION THAT OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT THE BEST SITUATIONS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ NAY. AREOLA LOSE AREOLA. OKAY. UH, CARPENTER AYE GROUP? AYE. FETZER AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, [24. 21-1445 Address/Description: 405 CLUB DR HDRC Case No.: 2020-519 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Stacey Zimmermann/Marc Jones Construction LLC dba Sunpro Solar Request: Solar panel installation City Council Dist.: 7 ] ITEM 24. FOUR OH, MR. CHAIR, CAN WE TALK ABOUT A TIME LIMIT? I'M SORRY. YEAH, WE, WE'VE GOT A STOP AT SEVEN 30. OKAY. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 5 19 4 0 5 CLUB. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL 18 SOLAR MODULES ON THE EXISTING ROOF. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE SOLAR PANELS ARE CITED SO THAT THEY ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED ROOF PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL SHOWING THAT THE ROOF PANELS ON THE SOUTH FACE ARE RELOCATED TO THE NORTH FACE OF THE ROOF AND THAT THE SOLAR ARRAY IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND TWO, THAT THE SOLAR PANELS MAINTAIN AT LEAST 18 INCHES OF SEPARATION FROM THE ROOF EAVES AND THE APPLICANT STACY IS ON THE LINE. YOU MAY PROCEED. MS. ZIMMERMAN? UH, YES SIR. I WAS JUST, UM, I GUESS SEEING WHAT PHOTOS Y'ALL HAD TO OBSERVE AND, UM, IF Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO APPROVE, UM, THE OTHER DOCUMENTATION THAT WE SENT IN SHOWING THE, UM, THE MEASUREMENTS OF THE EAVES AND WHERE THE MODULES ARE, UM, AND THAT THE RANK IS AT THREE FEET, UM, FOR THE FIRE CODE. OKAY. STAFF STIPULATIONS, APPROVE INSTALLATION OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF INSTALLATION OF, UH, SOLAR PANELS, BUT MOVING THE ONES FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO THE NORTH SIDE. ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. IF THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT, I MOVE FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF STIPULATIONS. I ACCEPT, UH, GABRIEL GABRIEL VELASQUEZ. UH, SECOND, IF A MOTION IS SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS, UH, THERE THERE'S A PUBLIC . SORRY. YEAH, WE DO HAVE COMMENTS. SORRY. THANK YOU, UH, FOR REMINDING ME. UM, SO THIS COMES FROM ANDREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION APPRECIATES NEIGHBORS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN NOT ONLY IMPROVING THEIR RESIDENCES, BUT ALSO FINDING WAYS TO ENHANCE THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. IN REGARD TO THE PROPOSAL FOR THE INSTALLATION OF SOLAR PANELS AT 4 0 5 CLUB DRIVE, M P AND A SUPPORTS A PORTION OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT ASSERTS NO SOLAR PANELS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTH FACING ROOF LINE, RED FRONT PORCH M P A REQUESTS ALL 18 SOLAR PANELS PROPOSED NOT JUST 15 BE INSTALLED IN THE NORTH FACING ROOF LINE OR REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. INSTALLATION ON THE SOUTH FACING ROOF LINE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR THE U C'S HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, AS IT IS HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND WILL ALTER THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BLOCK. THE OVERALL SITE AND SETTING OF THE 400 BLOCK OF 400 CLUB DRIVE IS, IS A, UH, DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH 20 TO 30 FEET RIGHT AWAY SETBACKS, UM, WHICH PROVIDE UNPRECEDENTED RIGHT OF WAY VIEWS OF PRIMARY STRUCTURES LIKE 4 0 5 CLUB DRIVE. ALSO, THIS SECTION OF CLUB DRIVE IS ONE OF THE ONLY THREE BLOCKS IN M P N A WITH TWO STORY MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE STREET. ALTHOUGH INSTALLATION HAS ALREADY OCCURRED PER U D C H C C IS SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THE CASE AS THOUGH NO WORK HAS BEEN PERFORMED IN M P N A REQUEST A DECISION FROM H D R C TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE FOLLOWING. SOLAR PANEL CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS ISSUED TO DATE SOLAR PANELS INSTALLED IN THE REAR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURES AT 2 0 2 CLUB DRIVE, TWO 16 CLUB DRIVE, 2 22 DONALDSON, 2234 WEST MISTLE TOW 2223 WEST MISSILE TO 2222 WEST MAGNOLIA, 2116 WEST SUMMIT, 2210 [03:55:01] WEST GRAMERCY AND 2354 WEST GRAMERCY. ALSO 2 39 CLUB DRIVE AND 2 39 MARY LOUISE DRIVE RECEIVED COAS FOR SOLAR PANEL INSTALLATION ON THEIR REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. NOTE THAT N P N A DISAGREES WITH THE CO O A ISSUED FOR 3 45 NORTH DRIVE FOR INSTALLATION OF SOLAR PANELS ON THE FRONT FACADE. H C R C STATED DURING THE CASE THAT TREES WOULD SCREEN THE VIEW OF SOLAR PANELS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, HOWEVER, THE LEAFLESS TREES SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, UM, PROVIDE A VIEW. I MEAN, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU. SO I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSION THAT NOT ONLY THE PANELS ON THE, UH, MAIN ROOF ARE VISIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT THOSE THAT ARE ON THE SECOND STORY PORCH ARE ALSO VISIBLE FOR THE . SO THAT'S WHY, UM, THE MONTICELLO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS THIS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THEY, THEY ARE ALL VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC EYE AND, UM, ARE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES. UNDERSTAND IF I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION CORRECTLY YEAH, GO BACK. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE I CAN JUST ADD SOME STIPULATIONS. CAN I SHOW THE ROOF PEN AGAIN? BECAUSE THE, AND I, AND I MAYBE, I MEAN, THIS IS ALSO RELATED TO THE OTHER CASE. OUR GUIDELINES SAY MINIMUM VISIBILITY. UM, AND, AND THERE ARE CASES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S ONE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE 200 BLOCK OF CLUB DRIVE THAT HAS IT ON THE, ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE BACK, BUT VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UM, SO IT'S MINIMIZING THE VISIBILITY. SO THIS IS WHAT'S PRI PROPOSED AND STAFF IS SAYING TO MOVE EVERYTHING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOF. AND THE STAFF STIPULATION DOES SAY, UM, THAT IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. THAT'S WHAT THE STIPULATION IS. AND THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME BACK WITH A SITE PLAN. SO IF THE MOTION STANDS FOR THAT STIPULATION, I MEAN, ARE WE NOT, I MEAN THE, THE STIPULATION DOES SAY IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. YES, I'M IN AGREE WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR MOTION. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT. THE MOTION WITH THE STIPULATION, I THINK IT'S ALSO AN AGREEMENT. SORRY, IN THE , I, I'D LIKE TO ASK A STAFF A QUESTION REGARDING THE MOTION TO WE FINISH PLEASE. COMMISSIONER LER WHAT THE EFFORT FOR CONSISTENCY THIS OR THE PREVIOUS CASE TODAY THAT WE HEARD, WE ALL JUST ALLOWED FOR PANELS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. WELL, I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WERE VISIBLE. WELL, THAT WAS RIGHT HERE, THAT WAS WRONG THERE. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. OKAY. NOW I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THE, UM, THE, THE POSITION OF THE SOLAR PANELS WITH RESPECT TO THE MOVEMENTS OF THE SUN? I MEAN, YOU MEAN THERE'S A DIRECT CORRELATION RIGHT? TO WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE SAYING YOU CAN HAVE A LIGHT BULB BUT YOU CAN'T TURN IT ON, RIGHT? SO, RIGHT. AND, AND THE APPLICANT COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY THEY PREFER THE SOUTHERN FACING EXPOSURE. WELL, I THINK THAT, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE TERM PREFER AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS A A A, YOU CAN PUT A SOLAR PANEL IN A LOCATION THAT IS ACTUALLY GONNA DO NOTHING. SO, YEAH, LET ME, LET ME ASK THAT TO THE, TO THE, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. UM, CAN THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE LOCATION OF THE SOLAR PANELS? UH, YES, SIR. UM, THERE IS A PARTICULAR DIRECTION THEY NEED TO BE FACING TO MAXIMIZE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR PRODUCTIVITY AND, AND ARE YOU, UH, FACING THAT DIRECTION OR DOES THE OTHER ANGLE OF THE PITCH ENABLE THAT OR EVEN BETTER? NO, UM, WHERE THEY'RE AT NOW, THEY'RE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE SOUTH FACING, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE OKAY. GONNA PRODUCE THE MOST PRODUCTIVITY FOR THE, FOR THE PERSON O OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS. UH, I, UH, MY, MY, MY ONLY OBJECTION IS THAT, IS THAT ONE, UM, PANEL THAT SEEMS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE TRYING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO THE VALLEY OF THAT, OF THAT ANGLE THAT, THAT IT SHOULD GO OVER A COUPLE OF INCHES SO THAT, UH, IT, IT LOOKS BALANCED WHERE IT'S AT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY COLLIDING WITH, UH, THE PAST. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO, I, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO TECHNOLOGY AND I WANNA MAKE THAT REALLY CLEAR. AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS I'VE SEEN THE, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS OVERTHROW OUR DECISIONS AND CLAIM THAT WE'VE BEEN INCONSISTENT ON IT WHEN WE HAVE NOT, THEY HAVE OVERTHROW THEM AND THEY HAVE CAUSED SOME CHAOS IN SOME OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND SO FAR, MONTICELLO PARK HAS BEEN, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF [04:00:01] ONE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH, UH, HAS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH PUTTING IT ONTO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. SO THAT'S WHY I'M GETTING PRETTY FUR, YOU KNOW, ADAMANT ABOUT THIS TODAY. YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. WE'RE NOT HERE TO EVALUATE THE PERCENTAGE YIELD OF KILOWATTS FROM THE PANELS. THAT IS NOT A CRITERIA THAT WE ARE ASKED TO, TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON. WE ARE BEING ASKED TO INTERPRET AND, UH, TO ADVISE ON THE APPLICATION OF THE GUIDELINES. AND THE GUIDELINES ARE SAYING NOT TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHTWAY ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, JUST TO KINDA SPEAK TO THAT, I'M, I'M NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UH, CHALLENGING YOUR CONSISTENCY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I, I APPLAUD AND, AND, AND CONFIRM, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONSISTENCY, MY, MY DISAGREEMENT IS, IS IS IN NO WAY INTENDED TO, TO, UH, UH, CHALLENGE YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR INTEGRITY AS A PROFESSIONAL. I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE AWESOME. UM, I, I JUST, I JUST LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE A, AS YOU, AS YOU'RE AWARE, YOU KNOW, WHEN DOING HOUSES, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, UH, ABIDE BY THE I E CCC, RIGHT? AND, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE IDEA THAT A WINDOW PLACEMENT DOES NOT, IS NOT, UH, AFFECTED BY, UH, THE SUN OR THE INSULATION IN THE WALL AND ALL THAT. IT, IT'S ALL COMPONENT. AND I, I, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER, I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE, THE, THE LIBERTY, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER. IT'S ALL COMPONENT. EXCUSE ME. COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT WE ARE IN DISCUSSION. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER DOESN'T FEEL THAT, THAT, UH, IF MY COMMENTS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH, WITH WHAT I CAN SAY IS HE'S A VERY CONSISTENT PERSON, UH, IN HIS DELIBERATION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS NAYYY VELASQUEZ NAYYY. UM, I BELIEVE OLA HAS LEFT CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. AYE. BETTS. AYE. LI AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, COREY. THIS IS UNE, UH, BATTERY ON THIS IPAD IS DOWN TO 7% AND FADING FAST, SO DON'T BE SURPRISED IF I SUDDENLY DISAPPEAR. OKAY. UM, ADAM [25. 21-1409 Address/Description: 815 QUITMAN ST 819 QUITMAN ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-462 Historic District Name: Government Hill Applicant: Mark Sullivan Request: Conceptual approval for new construction of 24’ tall studio structure City Council Dist.: 2 ] 25. YES. ITEM NUMBER 25, CASE NUMBER 20 24 62 AT 8 15 8 19 EQUIPMENT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY 300 OR 3 3200 SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON THE FINDINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE D R C TO BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE REVISED SITE PLAN DEPICTING THE REDUCTION OF FRONT LOADING PARKING, THE CURRENT SUBMISSION, FINAL, FINAL ANNOTATION AND MEASUREMENTS ONLY DEPICT CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPING TO A REVISED SET OF ELEVATION DRAWINGS OF ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION. THE CURRENT SUBMISSION ARE PERSPECTIVE RENDERINGS AND DO NOT SUFFICE AS CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. THE ELEVATION DRAWING SHOULD INCLUDE DETAILS ON FENESTRATION, TRIM, GARAGE AND PEDESTRIAN DOOR, DETAILS OF ANY AND EAVES AND SOFFITS IF A PARA PITT IS NOT INCORPORATED. AND THREE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS ON THE EXACT GARAGE DOORS, PEDESTRIAN DOORS, WINDOWS, BRICK, MASONRY, ROOFING, AND AWNING. THE CURRENT SUBMISSION OF UNIDENTIFIED EXAMPLE MATERIALS MAY BE USED AS A CONCEPTUAL PALATE, BUT WILL NOT SUFFICE FOR FINAL APPROVAL. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. MARK SULLIVAN ON THE LINE. MARK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UM, SPEAK IN YOUR PRESENTATION. OKAY, HO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO, UM, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YES, SIR, WE CAN. OH, GREAT. AND KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE'S A DELAY ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT I WILL TRY TO FOLLOW WITH THE APPROPRIATE SLIDES AS BEST AS I CAN. OKAY, THANK YOU HU. SO, UM, FIRST, UH, WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL FOR OUR SIMPLE PRIVATE ART STUDIO, UM, AT 8 1 5 EQUIPMENT. AND, UH, I ASSURE YOU THERE WILL BE NO SOLAR PANELS. AND, UH, SO WE, WE HAVE MODIFIED OUR PLANS TO MEET THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE D R C, UH, THAT WE MET WITH, UH, THE LAST MEETING. AND SO WE DID ADDRESS THE CONCERNS AND WE ARE ASKING FOR FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE H D R C FOR OUR PRIVATE SIMPLE ART STUDIO. NOW, IF YOU HAVE THE, UM, I DO HAVE THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE REPORT BEFORE ME, H D R C 20 24 62. UH, CAN YOU SHOW THAT THAT, UH, YES. IT'S ON THE SCREEN, THE D R C REPORT, [04:05:01] IT SHOWS WHERE WE DID, UH, ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO. SO IF YOU COULD, UH, SHOW THAT, UH, D R C REPORT, PLEASE, WHERE IT SHOWS THAT WE DID, UH, UH, YES, IT'S ON THE SCREEN. KEEP IN MIND THERE'S A DELAY. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, WHAT SHOULD I GO OVER THOSE? IT SHOWS THAT WE DID CONCUR WITH, UH, ON NUMBER ONE, IT SHOWS THAT, UH, THE PARKING WE DID, UH, CHANGE UP THE PARKING, WHICH, UH, SO WE REDUCED THE PARKING. UH, THE D R C WAS AGREEABLE WITH THE FRONT DOORS AND OTHER FENESTRATION. AND THEN THE HEIGHT OF IT, THE D R C WAS AGREEABLE WITH THE HEIGHT AND THE ROOF AND FORM. UH, D R C WAS AGREEABLE TO THAT. AND THEN, UM, THE FACADE CLADDING, WE CHANGED THAT FROM A BRICK MASONRY FACADE INSTEAD, UH, OF THE, UH, UH, WHAT WE WANTED WAS A LIMESTONE FACADE. AND THEN THE D R C WAS AGREEABLE WITH THE WINDOWS AND THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE, UH, SOLDIER COURSES, UH, AROUND THE, UH, THE HEADERS AND SILLS. AND THEN WE DID PROVIDE, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, DOCUMENTATION AND, UH, DRAWINGS HERE. AND, UH, AND SO WITH THAT, WE'RE JUST, UH, REQUESTING, UH, APPROVAL FOR OUR, UH, OUR PRIVATE ART STUDIO. NOW THIS IS, THIS IS, MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH ARTISTS AND, UH, WE, WE LIVE FOUR MINUTES AWAY FROM THIS STUDIO, SO WE'LL, WE'LL BE MORE PRODUCTIVE. AND, UH, THIS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A, IT'S A SIMPLE, UH, PROJECT IN MANY WAYS. UM, BUT THIS WILL KIND OF BE A HIDDEN OASIS. UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE PLANTING, UH, EXTENSIVE GARDENS IN THE FRONT YARD. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. AND, UM, AND WE HOPING THIS WILL BE A REAL CONTRIBUTION TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND, UH, SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, BE A TEAM TOGETHER AND, UH, AND, AND FIND, UH, A APPROVAL TONIGHT. AND, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING. SO THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THAT. TO CLARIFY FOR THE COMMISSION, UM, THE UPDATED DOCUMENTS, I'VE BEEN TOGGLING BACK AND FORTH FOR YOU. UH, SLIDE 20 IS THE REVISED SITE PLAN, WHICH THAT DOES NOT FIND SUFFICIENT AS A SUBMISSION MATERIAL. AND SLIDE 23 IS AN UPDATED PERSPECTIVE RENDERING, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED TO FEATURE BRICK MASONRY AS WELL AS A METAL CANOPY. AND THE, THE BRICK COURSE TRIM TO THE DRCS COMMENTS. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION YOU'LL SEE, UH, SOME EXAMPLE PHOTOS OF, UM, MATERIAL PALETTE, BUT THEY ARE UNIDENTIFIED PRODUCTS. UM, SO STAFF CAN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME, BUT DOES BELIEVE OVERALL THE APPLICANT IS HEADED IN THE DIRECTION OF THE DRCS COMMENTS. AND HU THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I CAN GIVE A QUICK REPORT FROM THE D C. WE CAME TO AGREEMENTS ON A LOT OF THE MAJOR DESIGN ISSUES, UH, AS APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED. AND WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS GENERALLY REFLECTING THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD. UM, WE ALSO SPOKE TO ON THE, THE D R C REPORT, THE NEED FOR, UH, MORE DETAILED DOCUMENTATION, PARTICULARLY ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE ELEVATION. SO LOCATION OF, UH, SITE MATERIALS LIKE ASPHALT OR GRASS OR CURBS, UH, WITH DIMENSIONS. AND, UM, WHILE, WHILE, WHILE THIS IS GETTING CLOSER AND THE DESIGN THAT IS PROPOSED HERE IS, IS AT LEAST BY APPEARANCE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE D R C, THE DOCUMENTATION ISN'T AT A LEVEL WHERE I CAN SUPPORT IT. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS ALSO IN THAT D R C COMMISSIONER. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL, UH, COMMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH MY, MY PERCEPTION OF THIS AND, AND HOW THE D R C WENT. I THINK IT WAS A VERY GOOD DIALOGUE. THE APPLICANT WAS RECEPTIVE TO OUR COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS. I THINK THEY'RE REPRESENTED IN THESE DOCUMENTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE REPRESENTED TO A LEVEL THAT, UH, WE CAN APPROVE. UM, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S INFORMATION THAT'S, THAT'S MISSING SUCH AS WHAT'S SUPPORTING THOSE CANOPIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT YOU ACTUALLY WANNA SEE AT A, AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, SEEING ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING. UH, THE SITE PLAN IS IDENTIFY AT THE D R C AS BEING, UH, ONE OF OUR GREATEST CONCERNS. UM, THE THING THAT IS SORT OF LEAST CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT, THE SIMPLICITY [04:10:01] OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IT'S LARGE, SIMPLE MASS. EVEN THE MATERIAL PALETTE OF A KIND OF A PREFABRICATED, UM, UH, PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING IS NOT, UH, OUT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IS NOT INCONSISTENT OR WITH SOME OF THE OTHER STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THAT PART OF, UH, GOVERNMENT HILL. SO I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OBJECTIONS TO THAT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN STANDARD OF DOCUMENTATION THAT ISN'T BEING MET WITH THIS. AND SO WITH THAT, I DON'T WANT TO, UH, DO A DENIAL ON THIS. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE DENYING THIS PROPOSED HERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN MOVE TO HAVE THIS SET TO, UH, A FUTURE, UH, H G R C HEARING AND GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH STAFF TO, UH, DEVELOP THE DOCUMENTATION OR TO UNDERSTAND THE DOCUMENTATION STANDARD THAT'S REQUIRED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. I'LL SECOND THAT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. IS THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL NEEDED FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC? UM, LIKE MAYBE WE CAN SELL THE APPLICANT TO ME, FOCUS THE TIME ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE ELEVATIONS. WE GO FROM CONCEPTUAL AND THEN WE START LOOKING AT MATERIAL AND LANDSCAPING JUST SO THAT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T SPEND TIME ON, ON FOCUSING ON MATERIALS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS, OR CAN THE APPLICANT ANSWER WHAT WOULD BE THE NEED FOR THE CONCEPTUAL AND THEN WHAT'S THE REASON? WELL, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY, WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS WHAT WHAT DO YOU NEED? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I PROVIDED A PICTURE OF THE AWNING, SO, AND THEN THE PICTURES OF THE DOORS, THESE ARE ALL FROM THE SUPPLIER MUELLER METAL BUILDINGS, SO NO, I MEAN, WE WOULD NEED A LOT MORE DETAIL ON THE ELEVATIONS, LIKE SIDE ELEVATIONS, BUT WHAT I'M, THAT WOULD BE FOR FINAL, I MEAN, THESE ARE TYPE OF NEEDS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT FOR FINAL. UM, THE, WHAT IS THE NEED? DO YOU, ARE YOU EXPECTING A FINAL RIGHT AFTER CONCEPTUAL OR ARE YOU LOOKING TO GET CONCEPTUAL TO BRING THAT PROJECT TO, TO GET APPROVED SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET BETTER DRAWINGS TO GET, BRING IT TO AN ARCHITECT PROJECT CONSTRUCTION? WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DID PROVIDE THE OTHER SIDE ELEVATIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE NOT IN THIS PRESENTATION HERE, BUT, UH, THEY SHOULD BE IN, IN THE PACKAGE. THE, THE MR. SULLIVAN, THEY, MR. SULLIVAN, THEY ARE IN THE PACKAGE. THOSE ARE NOT ELEVATION DRAWINGS. THESE ARE PERSPECTIVE RENDERINGS. I MEAN, THE ONES FROM BEFORE WHERE WE, UH, SHOWED ALL THE BACKSIDE WITH THE WINDOWS. WELL, WE CAN'T HAVE MUCH TIME IN THE APPLICATION. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER'S, UH, MOTION AND I WOULD'VE SUGGEST ANOTHER D R C FOR THE APPLICANT TO ATTEND BEFORE THE NEXT A D R C HEARING. MRS. VELASQUEZ, I WOULD AGREE. I THINK THAT WHAT THE, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PUT BEFORE US COULD BE CONSIDERED CONS CONCEPTUAL, WHICH IS ABOUT MASSING AND SIZE AND ALL OF THAT. OF COURSE, THIS CAN TELL A WHOLE LOT FROM THE SITE. RIGHT. BUT, WELL, THERE IT IS. SO THAT'S THE OTHER ELEVATION OF THE NORTH SIDE. AND UH, SEE THIS IS A, THIS IS A, UH, A MUELLER METAL BUILDING. IT'S PRE-ENGINEERED AND THIS IS THE, UH, THERE IT IS. UM, AND THEN SO THAT, AND THEN WE, UH, PUT THE, THE BRICK CLADDING, THE VENEER ON IT. SO IT, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE, THE ELEVATIONS THAT, UH, UH, THAT I WAS, UH, REFERRING TO THERE. AND THEN WE SHOWED A PICTURE OF THE AWNING. THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. YOU DID SUBMIT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. YOU HAD A SKETCH ON THE SITE PLAN, YOU SHOWED A DRAWING FROM THE, THE AWNING SUPPORT, BUT THAT ALL CAME IN AFTER THE, UH, REVIEW PERIOD FROM STAFF. UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, WE EITHER POSTPONE THIS AND YOU WORK WITH STAFF TO GET ADEQUATE DOCUMENTATION AND COME BACK OR SEND THIS BACK TO A D R C. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS MI MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MY, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT, THAT THAT IT, THE, UM, UH, APPLICANT IS, IT COULD, COULD BE, UH, MISLED. UM, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO TELL JUST TO TELL THE APPLICANT THAT, THAT I, I'M, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT, THAT THERE'S ANY STANDARD THAT SUPPORTS A METAL BUILDING IN THE AREA. AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY GOING TO A D R C IS, IS VALUABLE AND WORKING WITH STAFF. BUT, BUT THEY MAY HAVE TO GIVE YOU A, AN ANSWER THAT, THAT YOU DON'T WANNA HEAR, WHICH IS THAT THE BUILDING MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH ANY BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A SITUATION WHERE, UH, PREFABRICATED BUILDING IS CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THESE [04:15:01] HISTORIC DISTRICTS. OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE IN GOVERNMENT HILL, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, METAL BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THEY RISE TO THE LEVEL OF SAYING THAT IS THE, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT COMMUNITY. BUT I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE MISLED. I THINK THAT THE, THAT, THAT THE, A STRAIGHT ANSWER FOR YOU IS THAT IF YOU GET WITH STAFF, THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT, UM, THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SUPPORTS THAT TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE IN THE AREA. THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. AGAIN, I WANNA BE CRYSTAL CLEAR WITH, WITH THE POSITION FROM THE D R C AND WITH THE APPLICANT. THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO, TO WHAT THE, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AS HE HAS AMENDED IT PER OUR D R C MEETING. THE D R C, UH, MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOUND THE PROPOSAL GENERALLY APPROPRIATE. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE AND WHY WE CAN'T TAKE VERY GOOD ACTION ON THIS IS REALLY DOWN TO DOCUMENTATION. DOCUMENTATION WITH DIMENSIONS AND DETAILS. THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHERE, WHERE WE ARE SHORT. SO IN MY OPINION, THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN INTENT, WHAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED TO US AND WHAT'S BEEN SHOWN TO US WITH A VARIETY OF ILLUSTRATIONS IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH SOMETHING THAT I CAN APPROVE AND SUPPORT. IT'S A DOCUMENTATION THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE. SO IT, UH, A MO A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO THE D R C. WE CAN DISCUSS THE DOCUMENTATION GREATER DETAIL. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO DO IT. A MOTION TO POSTPONE. SO I ALREADY PUT, I ALREADY PUT FORTH A MOTION TO POSTPONE. I THINK IT WAS SECOND. OKAY, GREAT. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO POSTPONE AND FOR THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO GET PROPER DOCUMENTATION. AND WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FISH FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THAT REALLY HELPS ME. I APPRECIATE IT. FISH MAY HAVE A ROLL, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. AYE GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUBE? AYE SIR? AYE. AND JOHN LAO. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE FOR ITEM 25. DO WE WANNA PROCEED? [26. 21-1423 Address/Description: 1829 N NEW BRAUNFELS AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-028 Historic District Name: Government Hill Applicant: Pam Carpenter/Seventh Generation Design, Inc. Request: Removal of existing, historic blade sign City Council Dist.: 2 ] YOU MEAN ITEM 26? UH, YES WE DO. YEAH. UM, ING OFF, WHAT'S THAT? ME? I GOTTA GO. SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU SAID SEVEN 30. SO I COMMITTED TO LEAVING AT SEVEN 30. FIVE SIX. YOU STILL HAVE A QUORUM, BUT IF YOU STILL HAVE QUORUM YEAH, YOU CAN STAY ON. I DO HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS ONE. CLOSE. YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE OUT. I THINK ONE, TWO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SIX WITH THE RECUSAL. UM, BUT WE CAN'T LOSE ANYBODY ELSE. OKAY. UM, LET'S, LET'S TRY TO QUICKLY PROCEED AND THIS WILL BE, LET'S TRY TO FINISH THIS ONE. OKAY. UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 H C R C, CASE NUMBER 20 20 0 28 18 29 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING HISTORIC BLADE SIGN AT 1829 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS AND, AND PLACE IN STORAGE UNTIL THE SIGN CAN BE RE REHABILITATED AND, AND REINSTALLED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE SIGN BE MAINTAINED IN PLACE RATHER THAN BE REMOVED AND PLACED IN AN OFFSITE STORAGE AS THE APPLICANT. UH, PAM CARPENTER ON THE LINE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. I'LL BE SUCCINCT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF THIS CASE AMONG THE MANY TODAY, ORIGINALLY A PHARMACY, THE STRUCTURE DATES BACK TO 1921. IT'S HISTORIC NAME OF THE WHEEL, DOCKER BUILDING. IT'S ON THE PROCESSION INTO FORT SAN HOUSTON AT THE INTERSECTION OF CARSON AND NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS, JUST OFF I 35. THE BUILDING HAS GONE BEFORE H R C IN THE PAST AND THE OWNER GOVERNMENT HILL SQUARE PROPERTIES HAS WORKED IN CLOSE COORDINATION WITH O H P STAFF TO REVITALIZE IT. THEY'RE DEDICATED TO THE REHABILITATION OF THEIR PROPERTIES IN GOVERNMENT HILL. THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPERS. THEY HAD A LONG-TERM PRESENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY SITUATED THEIR BUSINESS IN GOVERNMENT HILL LONG BEFORE IT WAS POPULAR AND HAVE PLAYED A PIONEERING ROLE IN ITS REJUVENATION AND HAVE REHABILITATED SEVERAL BUILDINGS ON THIS BLOCK. THE LAST REHABILITATION FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS EXTENSIVE AND EXPENSIVE, BUT SUCCESSFUL. THEIR INVESTMENT TOOK THE PROPERTY OFF OF VACANT BUILDINGS LIST AND RETURNED IT TO PRODUCTIVE REAL ESTATE THAT IS NOW LEASED. THE SIGN ON THE EAST FACADE ABOVE THE CANOPY IS NOT ORIGINAL AND PROBABLY APPEARED IN THE FORTIES OR FIFTIES. IT, ITS CONDITION IS POOR. NOT ALL THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS COULD BE REHABILITATED WITHIN THIS PAST PHASE. THE SIGN IS ONE, SUCH THE CONTINGENCY FUND FROM CONSTRUCTION WAS EXHAUSTED AFTER ELECTIVE DEMOLITION EXPOSED ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL REPAIRS WHILE THE SIGN WAS PROTECTED AND RETAINED THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE REHAB FOR THE BUILDING. IT BECAME EVIDENT THAT IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION, IT REPRESENTS THE POTENTIAL LIABILITY. THE STRUCTURAL SUPPORT ARE AT THE POINT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE EVALUATED AND REPLACED [04:20:01] THE G WIRE SUSPENSION AND ARMATURE RUSTY, THE OWNERS ARE CONCERNED THAT ITS INTEGRITY, UM, MAY BE COMPROMISED AND IT COULD BE A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY. GIVEN THE FREAKISH STORM THAT SAN ANTONIO TENDS TO HAVE THE SPRINGS, PARTICULARLY WITH THE DRY LINE, THE OWNERS ARE REQUESTING TO TAKE IT DOWN AND PUT IT BACK UP IN GOOD WORKING ORDER. WHEN FUNDS ARE REPLENISHED OR GRANTS ARE AWARDED, THE ESTIMATE FROM A QUALIFIED SIGNED COMPANY WAS $25,000. TO REHABILITATE IT. THE OWNER'S WISH FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE REHABILITATED SIGN, UM, IS TO SERVE AS BRANDING AND IDENTIFICATION FOR THE DISTRICT OF GOVERNMENT HILL AND NOT FOR THE BUILDING OR FOR PARTICULAR TENANTS THAT'S ADAPTING AND TRANSFORMING IT INTO A TWO TRUE COMMUNITY ASSETS. IN THE APPLICATION, THE OWNER PROPOSES TO TEMPORARILY REMOVE THE FINE FOR SAFEKEEPING UNTIL FUNDS ARE RAISED TO REHABILITATE AND REINSTALL IT. ONCE $20,000 IS RAISED, THE REHAB PHASE WOULD COMMENCE FOR THE FINE. WITHOUT KNOWING HOW LONG THIS WILL TAKE, THE OWNERS COMMIT TO COMPLETING THE REHABILITATION AND REINSTALLATION WITHIN A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS. DURING THIS PERIOD, THE OWNERS WILL SET ASIDE $2,500 ANNUALLY TO GO TOWARDS THIS EFFORT. IN THE ABSENCE OF OUTSIDE FUNDING, THE OWNER'S REQUEST TO RETAIN ALL RIGHTS AND FULL AUTHORITY TO DETERMINE THE CONTENT AND LAYOUT OF THE ORIGINAL FACES. SUBJECT TO THE NORMAL REGULATIONS OF THE U D C SIGN ORDINANCE. THE OWNER'S INTENT, AGAIN, IS TO RESTORE THE SIGN TO REINFORCE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY DO NOT DESIRE TO DRAG THIS OUT. IN FACT, THEY HOPE THE PUBLICITY OF THIS CASE AND THE DIALOGUE FIRST INTEREST IN BRINGING FORTH GRANTS AND SPEEDING UP THE BUDGETARY TIMELINE, THEY WANT TO PUT IT UP RIGHT BACK WHERE IT IS. IDEALLY, IF THE OWNERS ARE PERMITTED TO SIGN, REMOVE THE SIGN. A MORE THOROUGH ANALYSIS AND CONDITION ASSESSMENT CAN BE PERFORMED. AND PROPER REMI REHABILITATION TREATMENT DETERMINED. IN SUMMARY, THE OWNERS HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF REHABILITATING THE HISTORICALLY CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS THAT THEY OWN IN GOVERNMENT HILLS. THEY JUST NEED MORE TIME THAN THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ALLOWS TO FUND, FUNDRAISE AND ACCOMPLISH THE SIGN REPAIRS. THE REQUEST IS ULTIMATELY TO PRESERVE THE SIGN AND ABOUT TIMELINESS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, YES, IN THE INTEREST OF OF TIME, I, I THINK THAT THE PRESENTATION'S OVER OVERWHELMING, UH, EVIDENCE OF STRUCTURAL, UH, COMPROMISE, UM, O OVERRIDE OVER OVERRIDES OUR, OUR, UH, OR CHALLENGES OUR AUTHORITY. I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S A IT THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, UM, UM, UM, A A APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, THEY CONCUR WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF THAT THE HISTORIC SIGN SHOULD BE MAINTAINED IN PLACE RATHER THAN REMOVED, RATHER THAN MOVED TO OFFSITE STORAGE. INVITE THE APPLICANT TO APPLY TO OUR BUILDING GRANT PROGRAM FOR RESTORATION FUNDING WHEN THE 2021 GRANT CYCLE OPENS IN AUGUST. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. VERY, VERY, VERY INTERESTING. . YEAH, WE ARE ENCOURAGED BY THAT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. THE REQUEST IS FOR 10 YEARS. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ALTERATIONS THAT CAN BE REVERSED. USUALLY THINGS LIKE ACCESSIBILITY AND THINGS, WE LOOK AT A WINDOW OR TEMPORARY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT A, A WINDOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO, TO SOMETHING THAT'S ENFORCEABLE. AND THE REQUEST OF 10 YEARS IS QUITE LONG. UM, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE HERE AND THAT IT, I SUPPORT THE, THE, THE STORAGE OF IT. BUT THE 10 YEARS, THE 10 YEARS SEEMS EXCESSIVE IN TERMS OF OUR, OUR SCOPE. I'M WONDERING IF YOU'D BE AMENABLE TO A SHORTER TIME PERIOD, LIKE TWO YEARS WHERE, UH, IF FUNDING HASN'T BEEN SECURED, THAT YOU COULD REQUEST AN EXTENSION. UH, UH, UH, MO MOST LIKE, LIKE, UH, MOST DEFINITELY COMMISSIONER FISH, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENTS OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. WELL, LET'S LET, LET'S THE, LET'S LET THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO A, TO A TIMEFRAME THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE MANAGEABLE FOR US. MS. MS. CARPEN? YES. WE WERE HOPING FOR SOMETHING CLOSER. THE OWNERS WERE HOPING FOR SOMETHING CLOSER TO FIVE TO SEVEN TO GIVE THEM THAT BODY OF TIME TO, UM, TO RAISE THE FUNDS. BUT IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THE, THE FUNDRAISING TIME PERIOD, UM, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE. WELL, I WOULD BE BE WILLING TO AMEND THE, THE MOTION TO ADD FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD OF TIME, UH, WITH, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF AN EXTENSION PROVIDED THAT THERE'S EVIDENCE TO, UH, SUPPORT. [04:25:01] UH, COMMISSIONER QUEZ? YES. YOUR MOTION WAS NOT SECONDED. SO ARE YOU, OH, ARE YOU STRIKING YOUR PREVIOUS MOTION? I WAS ADDING TO IT. OKAY. OKAY. COULD YOU JUST RE READ, JUST STATE IT ONE MORE TIME. AND I THINK I CAN MO MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, SETTING A TIME LIMIT OF TWO YEARS, UH, UH, UH, WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF EXTENSION AS MANAGED BY THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION AND THE, UH, H D R C TIME MANAGEMENT. I MEAN, THE AMENDMENT THAT THE EXTENSION PERIOD COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS. IF THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE WORKING TOWARD THAT. IF, IF YOU'RE SECONDING IT, I ACCEPT YOUR, UH, UH, I SECOND PRE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ AYE. GROUP, WE LOSER? YES BET, SIR. AYE. UNE AYE. MOTION PASSES. UH, WE NEED [Items 27 - 30 ] A MOTION TO, UM, POSTPONE THE CASES 27 THROUGH 30 TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE HT R C MEETING. GO AHEAD. SORRY. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, MOVE TO POSTPONE THE REMAINING CASES TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE H D R C HERE. ASK US A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. WE [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for January 20, 2021. ] HAVE, UH, MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 20TH, 2021. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES. UH, A A AS PRESENTED, UH, BY STAFF SECOND, THE COMMISSION CARPENTER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN. BLESS YOU. ALL IN FAVOR. SECOND. SECOND MOTION AND SECOND TO ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE A, FOLKS, BYE-BYE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.