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INTO THE MIC.[Call to Order]
CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER? UH, WE ARE LIVE BROADCASTING, SO I WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 1:40 PM UH, WANNA GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL? UH, REAL FAST.I NEED TO, UH, JUST GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM OUR ATTORNEY, JOSEPH HURNEY.
UH, SO OUR CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR, WERE NOT ABLE TO, UH, JOIN US TODAY, UM, BUT WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A PROCESS OF INDICATING, UH, DE DETERMINING WHICH BOARD MEMBER WOULD BE LEADING THE MEETING TODAY.
UH, JOSEPH, DO YOU LEMME KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS NEEDS TO BE FOR THAT FIRST, UH, CORRECT.
YEAH, WE JUST HAVE A, UM, A A A BASICALLY A, A GROUP VOTE ON WHO'S GONNA CHAIR TODAY.
SO THAT WOULD BE AFTER THE I SMITH SECOND
READY TO GO, MIKE? SO, UH, JUST TO CONFIRM, JOSEPH, DO WE DO THE, WE'LL DO THE ROLL CALL THEN, AND THEN HAVE SOMEBODY JUST MOTION AND SECOND AND, AND DO, UH, VOTE FOR THAT.
JEREMY, I JUST MADE A MOTION FOR BRIAN SMITH AND MIKE RUSS.
UH, WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL FIRST, PLEASE.
HEY, I APPRECIATE THE URGENCY, THOUGH.
UH, SO IN ABSENCE OF A CHAIR, UM, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF MAKE SOME MEETING REAL QUICK.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UH, THE TIME IS NOW 1 42 ON FEBRUARY 11TH, 2021.
I AM THE BOARD LIAISON WITH, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE LIAISON TO THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, I HEREBY CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL TO START OFF WITH.
DID RON KAUS PRESENT? PRESENT.
I AM HERE WITH MY CLOTHES ON BRIAN SMITH.
DIDN'T HEAR HER, BUT SHE'S HERE.
ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARE JOSEPH HARNEY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
MICHAEL SHANNON, DIRECTOR AMIN TOMA.
DEPUTY DIRECTOR MICHAEL CONSTANTINO.
AND UH, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, JENNIFER, JEFF BYERS NOW ON THE SCREEN.
DO YOU HAVE A AUDIO, JEFF? HE IS PROBABLY MUTED.
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YES, SIR.ALRIGHT, MR. LEE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
YEAH, I, I RECOMMEND NOMINATE, UM, UH, BRIAN SMITH TO BE THE CHAIR FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
SO, UH, ROBERT HENLEY HAS MOTION TO HAVE BRIAN SMITH BE THE CHAIR, CHAIR AND A CO-CHAIR.
YOU WANNA JUST ASSUME, UNLESS SOMEBODY OPPOSES IT, THAT EVERYBODY THAT'S PART OF THE QUORUM AGREES.
UM, I BELIEVE PER THE NEW REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE TO DO A, UH, A ROLL CALL VOTE.
IS THAT CORRECT? MR. HARNEY? UH, IF, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD FOR THIS, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS MINISTERIAL YOU, YOU JUST CALL FOR AN AN AYE VOTE AND AN AYE AND NAYYY AND INDICATE ON THE ON SCREEN.
WELL THEN, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
OKAY, MR. SMITH, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
ALRIGHT, SINCE I WAS VERY PREPARED FOR THIS
LET ME UH, FORWARD YOU THE MEETING FORMAT.
JEREMY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ACCORDING TO THE AGENDA, WE ONLY HAVE ONE ACTION ITEM TODAY.
THAT'S, I THOUGHT THAT IS CORRECT.
HAVE YOU SENT IT YET? YES, SIR, I DID.
OKAY, LET ME SEND AND RECEIVE.
MEETING FORMAT FOR FEBRUARY 11TH.
UM, CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, HAVE WE HAD A SPANISH INTERPRETER SERVICE STATEMENT READ YET? UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT NOW.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A CHAIRMAN STATEMENT.
BUT, UH, UH, STAFF, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND, UH, DO THE MEETING FORMAT REVIEW TO BE READ.
THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19.
THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES ADVISORY AND APPEALS BOARD IS HOLDING MEETINGS VIA VIDEO COUNCIL.
THESE MEETINGS STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS EXTENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETING ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO COVID 19 CRISIS.
WHEN ARE IN PLACE FOR THEIR NOTICE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OFFICE TO THIS MEETING BY 15, WWW.SANANTONIO.GOV/DSD OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT 2 1 0 2 6 0 5 4 8 3.
TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES.
THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OR COMMENT, DROPPING OFF, GIVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING.
STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT.
STAFF WILL READ INTO THE RECORD ANY EMAILS OR LETTERS RECEIVED.
STAFF WILL ALSO PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL.
LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALL BACK, WE WILL CALL THEM STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENTS.
SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED.
THE IMPLEMENT WILL THEN BE GIVEN THE APPLICANT.
THE DEFENDANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH AN UNLIMITED TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE BOARD QUESTION.
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UH, I REQUEST FOR APPROVAL FOR OUR MINUTES FOR THE AUGUST 6TH, 2020 MEETING.I HAVE A MOTION FROM A BOARD MEMBER, PLEASE.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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MOTION PASSES.WE NEED TO, UM, REQUEST ALSO APPROVAL FOR MINUTES FOR THE DECEMBER 14TH, UH, 2020 I E C I F G C COMMITTEE MEETING.
UH, DO I ALSO HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT APPROVAL? I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE 'EM.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
IF ALL THE, UH, IN FAVOR SAY AYE, PLEASE.
CAN WE, UH, HAVE CONSIDERATION FOR OUR AGENDA ITEM IF THE STAFF CAN PRESENT AGENDA
[1. Discussion and possible action on recommended required qualifications and processes for an approved 3rd Party to inspect plumbing work within a tunnel to be added to Information Bulletin 176.]
ITEM NUMBER ONE.THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
TODAY'S, UH, SOLE AGENDA ITEM IS A DISCUSSION OF AMENDMENTS TO THE INFORMATION BULLETIN 1 76, UH, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING TUNNEL INSPECTIONS OF PLUMBING WORK INSIDE, UH, UNDERGROUND, UNDER FLOOR, OR INSIDE A TUNNEL.
THE REQUEST WAS PRESENTED TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO APPROVE A NON-ENGINEER TO COMPLETE INSPECTIONS OF PLUMBING WORK WITHIN A TUNNEL AS A THIRD PARTY.
UH, CURRENTLY THE INFORMATION BULLETIN 1 76 ALLOWS FOR INSPECTIONS OF A D S D EMPLOYED INSPECTOR OR A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, UH, TO CLOSE OFF THAT WORK AND, UH, COMPLETE IT AND COMPLETE THE INSPECTION REQUIREMENT.
UH, THE REQUEST IS TO MOVE IT AWAY FROM JUST NON, UH, FROM JUST ENGINEERS AND ALLOW FOR A NON-ENGINEER, UH, TO COMPLETE THESE INSPECTIONS THAT ARE ALSO NON D F T EMPLOYEES.
UM, SO THIS REQUEST HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF THE BOARD BEFORE, UH, ORIGINALLY WE PRESENTED THIS TO THE FULL BOARD ON JUNE 12TH, 2020, WITH DECISION TO SEND TO THE I P C I F G C COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION.
THAT COMMITTEE MET TWICE FIRST ON NOVEMBER 5TH, 2020.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THAT MEETING WAS TO KIND OF DETERMINE IF THERE WAS A NEED BY THE INDUSTRY FOR ADDITIONAL INSPECTORS OPTIONS FOR THESE TUNNEL INSPECTIONS.
UH, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT YES, THERE WAS A NEED AND THAT, UH, THE COMMITTEE ASKED THAT D S D WORK TO DETERMINE WHAT QUALIFICATIONS AND PROCEDURES WOULD BE REQUIRED, UH, FOR THIS APPROVAL.
THE COMMITTEE
AT THE END OF THOSE, THAT MEETING WE DID HAVE APPROVED, UH, FROM THE COMMITTEE PROCEDURES AND QUALIFICATIONS, INCLUDING THE TEMPLATE LETTER THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO D S D FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE THIRD PARTY'S INSTRUCTION.
UH, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT MEETING, UH, D S D STAFF DID HAVE AN INTERNAL MEETING WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
UH, BASED ON THAT, UH, INTERNAL MEETING, WE DID HAVE SOME, OR SOME PROCEDURAL AND QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE COMMITMENTS TO FROM WHAT THE COMMITTEE, UH, PRESENTED.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WHAT WAS APPROVED ON BY THE COMMITTEE, UH, WITH THIS STRUCK THROUGH AND HIGHLIGHTED IN READ AREAS.
UH, WHAT IS BEING RE UH, REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL SUMMARIZED REAL FAST IS 15 YEARS OF INSPECTION.
OUR TECHNICAL EXPERIENCE IN PLUMBING, 10 YEARS AS AN ACTIVE MASTER PLUMBER, 10 YEARS AS AN ACTIVE MASTER, UH, ACTIVE PLUMBING INSPECTOR LICENSE, BOTH AS THE STATE OF TEXAS, UM, HAVING THE I C C CERTIFICATIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL PLUMBING INSPECTOR AND IN AND COMMERCIAL PLUMBING INSPECTOR.
AND THEN ALSO ATTENDING MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH COASTAL D S D PLUMBING STAFF, A MINIMUM OF SEVEN PER YEAR.
UH, SO MORE THAN 50%, UH, THE CHANGES WE HAD FROM THE BE WERE TO REMOVE THE ALLOWANCE OF AN O APPROVED, UH, CERTIFICATION, UH, PRIOR BEFORE, PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE I CODES BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR THE I P C ON JANUARY 1ST, 2010.
UM, AND ALSO MAKING IT WHERE THE MEETING THAT THE, UH, APPROVED INDIVIDUALS WOULD ATTEND WOULD D F D STAFF WOULD NOT BE THE SPECIFIC PLUMBING INSPECTION INSPECTORS MEETING, UH, WITH THEIR CHIEF.
UH, THEY GO OVER A LOT MORE THAN JUST SOME TECHNICAL ITEMS. WE WANTED TO KIND OF SEPARATE THAT OUT AND HAVE IT BE A STANDALONE MEETING, UH, WITH THE CHIEF AND OR, UH, SENIORS, UH, THAT THE APPROVED, UH, INDIVIDUAL COULD ATTEND, UH, TO GO OVER TECHNICAL ITEMS, UH, CONVERSATIONS, STAFF.
UM, I'M GONNA MOVE THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, ROBERT STRYKER, WHO'S, UH, THE ONE THAT ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THIS REQUEST, UH, TO THE VOTING OFFICIAL ON, ON THE MEETING WITH US.
AND WE'LL GO INTO A CONVERSATION WITH THAT.
I WANTED TO GO OVER THE REQUEST, UH, THE CHANGES FIRST AND THEN OPEN IT BACK UP TO, UH, THE BOARD ON.
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FINALLY, UH, WE HAVE WHAT IS KNOWN AS, UH, WHAT WE'LL COME THROUGH THE PROCEDURES, UH, FOR APPROVING THIS THIRD PARTY.UH, ONCE THAT THIRD PARTY HAS BEEN APPROVED AND, AND ALLOWED TO GO AHEAD AND COMPLETE THESE INSPECTIONS.
UH, THE, THE APPROVAL WILL BE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL AND NOT A COMPANY.
THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL IS REQUIRED TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY.
IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULD NEED TO REAPPLY EACH YEAR.
UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, SET UP IN THE MEETING, IN, UH, MEETINGS WAS THAT THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE HIRED BY THE PARTY BUILDING OWNER PROPERTY OR BUILDING OWNER, NOT THE PLUMBING OR GENERAL CONTRACTOR PERFORMING THE WORK.
UH, THIS WAS TYING IT CLOSER TO A SPECIAL INSPECTOR IN CHAPTER 17 VERSUS, UH, SOME OF THE ALLOWANCES THAT WE CAN FIND.
A CHAPTER ONE OF A APPROVED INDI INDIVIDUAL BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, OR INTERNAL DISCUSSION WAS IT, IT FALLS CLOSER TO WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING ENGINEERS AND OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO, UH, SIGN OFF ON THIS STUFF AS AN APPROVED INDIVIDUAL.
SO THERE IS NO SPECIFICATION WHO NEEDS TO, UH, PAY FOR THAT.
SO, LIKE AN ENGINEER THAT CAN BE HIRED BY THE CONTRACTOR DOING THE WORK, OR THE JUDICIAL CONTRACTOR, THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL WILL PERFORM THE INSPECTION OBSERVATION PERSONALLY AND NOT THROUGH ANOTHER MEMBER FROM THEIR OFFICE SUPERVISION.
AND THE INSPECTION WILL BE CLEARED BY D S E.
ONCE THE D S E LETTER FORM FILLED OUT IN TIME BY THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN RECEIVED AND REVIEWED, UH, THIS LETTER WILL BE CREATED BY D S E AND WILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED AS A D S D CREATES IT, IT WILL NOT BE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE SIMILAR TO AN ENGINEER'S LETTER.
UH, SO REALLY AN ISSUE SAYING, WE'LL HAVE A, A FORMATTED LETTER THAT WE WOULD USE, UH, WITH THIS APPROVAL.
THEY WOULD FILL THAT OUT, SUBMIT THAT, UH, D F D FOR APPROVAL TO CLOSE OUT THAT INSPECTION REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S THE END OF, UH, STAFF'S PRESENTATION ON THIS REQUEST.
DOES THE, UH, BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND ONCE AGAIN, UH, I WANNA REMIND THAT WE DO HAVE MR. ROBERT STRYKER HERE, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE, UH, ON HIS END OF, OF THE REQUEST.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
WOULD THIS INDIVIDUAL, WOULD IT BE, WOULD HE BE WORKING FOR HIMSELF OR WOULD HE BE WORKING FOR AN INDIVIDUAL PLUMBING COMPANY? LIKE SAY THE BUYERS LIKE JEFF, WOULD HE BE A CONTRACTED INDIVIDUAL OR HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH YOU? WOULD THE INDIVIDUAL, NOT A COMPANY? UM, I, I GUESS WE HAVEN'T REALLY DELVED INTO THAT.
I GUESS OUR ORIGINAL THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE, UM, A THIRD PARTY FROM THE CONTRACTOR DOING THE WORK.
UM, AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UM, SO I, I WOULD, I THINK THE INTENT IS FOR THIS TO BE SOMEBODY, AND I THINK, WE'LL, WE'LL SPELL THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT, THAT IT WOULDN'T BE SOMEBODY FROM THAT INTERNAL COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY DID THE WORK, UH, TO LIMIT ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
UH, SIMILAR TO AN ENGINEER SIGNING OFF ON, ON, UH, ANY WORK THAT HIS COMPANY WOULD'VE PERFORMED.
WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR AN ENGINEER THAT'S SEPARATE FROM, FROM THE COMPANY.
SO WOULD HE BE ABLE TO DESIGN, OR HE'S JUST DOING OBSERVATIONS AND INSPECTIONS, HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DESIGN IF, IF HE HAD THAT ROLE, UH, ORIGINALLY TO THE PROJECT, UH, SIMILAR TO AN ENGINEER THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD DO THE, THE DESIGN, IT WOULD BE ONLY GOING OUT WHO ACTUALLY INSPECTING THE WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED.
SO AS LONG AS HE AND HIM OR HIS COMPANY DID NOT COMPLETE THAT WORK, AND IT WAS A, UH, DIFFERENT COMPANY THAT, THAT DID THAT WORK, THAT HE CAN INSPECT THEM.
'CAUSE LIKE, I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU MIGHT WANT TO, UH, TYPE IN ON THIS 'CAUSE IN THE SIGN INDUSTRY, WE WORKED OUT AN AGREEMENT WHEN WITH ROD SANCHEZ BACK IN, I DON'T KNOW, YEARS BACK, THAT WE AS INDIVIDUAL SIGN CONTRACTORS, WE HAD, WE CAN DESIGN AND FORMULATE OUR OWN, UH, P DRILLINGS FOR OUR PYLON SCIENCE, BUT IT HAS TO BE APPROVED THROUGH A ENGINEER FIRST.
AND WE'VE GOT THAT TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH, WHICH IS THE, UH, UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO RECOGNIZES.
SO THIS WOULD ALMOST BE THE SAME, THE SAME PROJECT THE SAME, CORRECT.
UH, BUT HONESTLY, I MEAN, THIS PROCESS, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT EQUAL TO THE ENGINEERS, UH, THIRD PARTY APPROVAL.
UM, JUST, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY UNIQUE AND WE NEED TO JUST, UH, SURE.
WE ARE TREATING EVERYBODY FAIRLY.
I MAY, THIS ROBERT HANLEY, IS THIS SIMILAR TO THE, UH, CHAPTER 1704 SPECIAL INSPECTION SECTION OF THE BUILDING CODES? I HAVE A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR THAT'S FROM A LICENSED, UH, CERTIFICATION FOR, UH, MATERIALS INSPECTION COMPANY.
WOULD IT BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES, IT'S, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO CHAPTER 17, BUT AS JEREMY MENTIONED, WE TWEAKED IT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE CHAPTER 17 SAYS THE INDIVIDUAL
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THAT GONNA DO THE THIRD PARTY INSPECTION NEEDS TO BE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE BUILDER, NOT BY PLUMBING CONTRACTOR.SO WE REMOVE, WE REMOVE THAT BASED ON CHAPTER ONE.
IF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL QUALIFIES SOMEBODY AND APPROVE THEM, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, HIRED BY THE OWNER BECAUSE OF THOSE TUNNEL.
AND, UH, WORK IS BASICALLY HAPPENING FOR RESIDENTIAL.
AND WE KNOW, AND, UM, TENANTS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHO TO CALL, WHAT TO DO, AND THEY DON'T KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE REMOVED THIS FROM, UH, CHAPTER.
KIND OF OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS MATCHES CHAPTER 17.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEY, BRIAN, THIS IS, THIS IS MIKE GROSS.
JUST A YEAH, MIKE, JUST A QUICK, JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION.
SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY IF THE COMPANY DOES THE WORK, THEY CAN'T SELF-INSPECT, DOES THAT NEED TO GO INTO THE LANGUAGE OF THIS? OR IS THAT, IS THAT JUST PRETTY WELL UNDERSTOOD AND A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION FOR THE, FOR THE DEPARTMENT? UM, YEAH.
SO WE WOULD, I THINK, BUILD, BUILDING INTO THE ID.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS IS KIND OF A THIRD PARTY.
UH, BUT IF WE CAN'T ADD IT, IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD, I CAN, UM, I CAN ADD THAT OVER THE QUALIFICATIONS HERE.
DOES THAT ANSWER, MIKE? YEAH, THAT, THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
UH, AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE, I THINK IT, IF, IF THAT'S GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT, IT SHOULD BE EXPLICIT.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? YEAH.
GARY
YOU KNOW, WE'RE DUE DUE DUE DILIGENCE ON OUR END BY MAKING SURE THEY'RE QUALIFIED, UH, LICENSED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, UH, FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, HAVE THE INSPECTOR APPROVAL FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS HAVE ADDITIONAL QUALIFICATIONS TO THE CODES AND, UH, THAT WE ADOPTED THE I C C, UM, AND A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
SO I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, THEY'RE CERTIFIED AND UNDERSTAND, UH, THE WORK BEING PERFORMED.
UM, AND JUST LIKE AN ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT THEY ARE SIGNING OFF ON, UH, THEY ARE TAKING THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WON'T BE SEEING.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR US TO GO OUT AND INSPECT AFTER THE FACT.
UH, WE WOULD CLOSE THAT INSPECTION AFTER THEIR, THEY'RE SUBMITTED THEIR, OF THE, UH, REQUIRED LETTER.
SO WOULD THAT ABSOLVE THE CITY OF ANY, UH, RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS, OF THAT PARTICULAR INSPECTION AND THE WORK THAT, THAT HAD BEEN COMPLETED? UM, I, I, I'M NOT SURE.
I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO EITHER TO AMIN OR JOSEPH HARNEY ON THAT.
THIS IS MIKE SHANNON, UH, WITH THE CITY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, IN, IN RESPONSE TO THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D USE THIS, THE TERM ABSOLVE, THE CITY, UM, THE CITY HAS A ESTABLISHED LEVEL OF LIABILITY, I THINK, ON ANYTHING THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY TEXAS LAW, UH, AND OTHER THINGS.
BUT THIS PROPOSAL ADDS NO ADDITIONAL OR DOES IT REMOVE ANY MORE RESPONSIBILITY THAN THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AS BASIC IN OUR BUILDING AND, AND FIRE RELATED CODE.
SO, UH, I AM AUTHORIZED AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO REVIEW THE QUALIFICATIONS OF A QUOTE, THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR, WHETHER IT'S UNDER THE CHAPTER ONE OR CHAPTER 17 REQUIREMENTS, UH, SPECIAL INSPECTION.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A PROCESS TO JUST MIRROR THAT.
AND, UH, WITHOUT GETTING INTO, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT OUR LEGAL EXPERT ON A LIABILITY, UH, BUT I DO KNOW WHAT THE LIABILITY OF, OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF BUILDING CONSTRUCTION IS.
I DON'T, THIS, THIS, THIS PROPOSAL, UH, NEITHER ADDS OR SUBTRACTS ANY ADDITIONAL OR REMOVES ANY ADDITIONAL LIABILITY.
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST ANSWER, UM, AT GARY.
I THINK THAT, THAT, UM, THAT I CAN OFFER YOU.
AND I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ANSWER, UH, WHEN I, UH, WHEN I APPROVE OR WE APPROVE A SET OF
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QUALIFICATIONS TO HELP US, UH, WITH THESE 33RD PARTY INSPECTIONS.DOES THAT HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT? VERY MUCH.
MICHAEL, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, SPENCER RAMEL BENCHMARK PLUMBING.
I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ON THE I AMO PLUMBING INSPECTOR CERTIFICATION.
YOU'VE CROSSED THAT OUT IN LAST MEETINGS WE WERE GOING THROUGH ON THIS BEFORE WE GATHERED TODAY.
WE'VE KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THAT.
WHAT WAS Y'ALL'S DECISION TO TAKE THAT OUT FOR? UH, THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK DURING THE COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, MEETINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO THE, THE COMMITTEE THE IDEA OF IT ONLY BEING THE I C C.
UH, THE GOAL WITH THE I C C REQUIREMENTS IS THESE ARE WHAT OUR CURRENT INSPECTORS, SENIOR INSPECTORS AND CHIEF, UH, PLUMBING INSPECTOR ARE REQUIRED, UH, CREDIT, UH, CERTIFICATIONS TO HOLD, UH, MINUS, UH, THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO HAVE THE PLAN REVIEW ONE.
BUT, UH, DURING THE COMMITTEE MEETING, WE DID REMOVE THAT ONE.
UM, BUT WE UNDERSTAND, AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, MR. STRYKER HERE AS WELL TO KIND OF, UH, DELVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AND I WANNA GIVE HIM HIS SAY AS WELL.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THE GOAL WAS, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO ADD ATMO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A CERTIFIED AS A TYPE OF CERTIFICATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP DURING THAT TIME IS WE DO, WE DID HAVE INSPECTORS, UH, THAT WERE GRANDFATHERED IN, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, WHAT WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO WORD UP HERE OF THE ORIGINAL ONE, SAYING, HEY, IF I HAD IT BEFORE Y'ALL MOVE TO THE I C C, UM, I'M NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REQUIRED TO GET THAT CERTIFICATION, UM, UNLESS I GET A PROMOTION OR CHANGE POSITIONS.
BUT IF I STAY IN THAT SAME POSITION, WE WEREN'T REQUIRING OUR INSPECTORS, UH, TO GO THAT ROUTE.
BUT SINCE THEN, WE'VE ACTUALLY, UH, BOTH OF THOSE INSPECTORS THAT WERE STILL PART OF THAT GROUP HAVE RETIRED.
UH, SO REALLY WE HAVE NOBODY, UH, AT THE CITY THAT HAS NON I C C CERTIFICATIONS THAT ARE EMPLOYED IN THE PLUMBING INSPECTIONS GROUP.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO COMPLETELY MOVE TO I C C.
THESE ARE THE CODES THAT WE INSTALL, UH, INSTALLED TO.
UM, SO JUST THE, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION INTERNALLY THAT WE DECIDED WE'RE STILL GONNA PUSH FOR JUST THE I C C CERTIFICATIONS AND REMOVE, UH, THE I M O APPROVAL.
DO WE HEAR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HEARING? SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WAS WONDERING I'D HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD DISCUSSIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE MET EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD BEFORE.
WHAT'S YOUR NAME? OH, ROBERT, SORRY.
I'M THE ONE THAT THAT PETITIONED TO, TO BE INCLUDED BESIDES JUST THE ENGINEERS AND, AND A LOT OF REASONS FOR IT.
AND FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL ON THE BOARD THAT DON'T KNOW ME, UH, I WORKED FOR CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR 21 AND A HALF YEARS, AND 18 OF THOSE WAS THE CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR.
I LEFT IN OH NINE AND BECAME THE, UH, A DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR A SMALL TOWN CALLED SLO.
AND THEN I RETIRED FROM, FROM CITY WORK BACK IN 2014.
UM, WHEN THIS FIRST COME OUT IN 2018, YOU KNOW, I, I STARTED HAVING DISCUSSIONS AND THIS'S BEEN GOING ON TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
JUST SO SOME OF Y'ALL KNOW THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR TUNNELS I PUT TOGETHER BACK IN 95.
I MEAN THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS USED ACROSS THE STATE ARE THE ONES I PUT TOGETHER FOR SAN ANTONIO, ACTUALLY.
ANYWAY, THE PEOPLE NEEDED SOMEONE ELSE BESIDES THE WAY IT WAS BEING DONE.
AND A LOT OF 'EM HAD CONCERNS, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
AND NO OFFENSE TO ANY ENGINEERS, BUT THEY WEREN'T PLUMBERS AND THEY WERE ASKING THE PLUMBER THAT INSTALLED IT, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INSTALLATION.
SO OUT IN THE COUNTY, I DO THESE INSPECTIONS OUT IN THE COUNTY AS IT IS.
UH, 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT, EVEN THE CONTRACTORS WANT A THIRD PARTY INSPECTION 'CAUSE OF LIABILITIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO SOME OF Y'ALL'S THING ABOUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE.
I GOTTA CARRY, I CARRY A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF INSURANCE.
I GOTTA CARRY A LOT OF INSURANCE 'CAUSE I DO CONSULTING AS WELL.
SO MY INSURANCE ISN'T JUST GENERAL LIABILITY.
I HAVE TO HAVE PROFESSIONAL INSURANCE.
SO MY INSURANCE FOR A MILLION DOLLARS COSTS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN SOMETHING THE GENERAL, GENERAL LIABILITY FOR SOME OF THESE CONTRACTORS.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE, SOME OF THAT WOULD FALL ON MY SHOULDERS AS WELL AS FAR AS LIABILITIES FOR THESE INSPECTIONS.
BUT GETTING BACK TO THE THING, I'VE BEEN ON ATMOS CERTIFIED SINCE 1990
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AND, AND HE'S RIGHT, THEY'VE HAD UP UNTIL JUST, UH, THIS PAST MONTH, THEY'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAD THE I AMMO CERTIFICATION.NOW, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED HAVING THESE MEETINGS, ACTUAL MEETINGS, I STARTED THIS YEAR, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
BUT TWO YEARS AGO, UM, MR. MR. SHANNONS AND NOT, I HAD, I HAD THE CONCERN IT WAS GONNA TAKE TWO YEARS AND WORK TO GET THIS DONE.
HE SAID, OH NO, WE'RE GONNA GET IT DONE PRETTY QUICKLY.
WELL, WE ARE AT THE TWO YEAR MARK AND THAT PUTS ME INTO THAT PREDICAMENT THAT YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, ALL OUR ADMIRAL GUYS RETIRED.
SO GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT, WE'RE GONNA PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER YOU, ROBERT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.
NUMBER ONE, THE CODES ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER.
NUMBER ONE, ANYTHING THAT GOES ON THAT TUNNEL, BOTH CODES ARE IDENTICAL ON THAT I CAN VOUCH FOR IT.
NUMBER TWO, THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEST THAT THEY PUT FOR THE, FOR A PLUMBER OR INSPECTOR IS BASED ON EITHER CODE.
YOU COULD STUDY THE I, THE I P C OR THE U P C, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO MY BOTTOM LINE IS THE FACT THAT I HAVE AN I ADMIRAL CERTIFICATION DOESN'T UNDERMINE OR TAKE AWAY ANYTHING WITH THE I C C CODES.
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, ANYBODY THAT'S CRAZY ENOUGH, LIKE I AM TO WANT TO DO THESE INSPECTIONS.
IF IT'S ANYBODY THAT'S OUT THERE DOING, THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE RECENT, THEY PROBABLY HAVE AN I C C ANYWAY.
SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY JEOPARDIZING YOUR PROGRAM WITH THE I C C OR WITH THE I P C CODE.
I'M ASKING FOR THAT TO PLEASE BE LEFT IN THERE, UH, WITH THE LANGUAGE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN DELAYED TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
THAT'S ANOTHER ROADBLOCK FOR ME.
I'M NOT SAYING I CAN'T PASS THE TEST.
THE POINT IS IT'S GONNA COST ME MONEY AND MORE TIME, MORE DELAY.
MY HAIR'S GETTING GRAY TOO, JUST LIKE TWO OF Y'ALL.
OKAY? I THINK THIS HAS GONE ON LONG ENOUGH AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANOTHER ROADBLOCK BEING THROWN IN FRONT OF ME.
I'VE JUMPED THROUGH EVERY HOOP THAT MICHAEL HAS ASKED ME TO DO.
FROM DAY ONE AND GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND NOW FOR THAT TO BE THROWN AT THE LAST MINUTE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, THEY'VE GIVEN GOOD MERIT AS TO WHY THEY PUT IT IN THERE, BECAUSE I THINK ATTRITION'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT ANYWAY, EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S USING THE I P C WON'T HAVE AN HIGH MOLD CERTIFICATION.
SO WHY ARE YOU GONNA PENALIZE ME? IN THE MEANTIME, I OFFER A SOLID SERVICE TO THESE INDIVIDUALS.
I'M A MASTER PLUMBER, I'M A PLUMBING INSPECTOR.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE 1975.
I'VE GOT EVERY QUALIFICATION THERE IS AND THEN SOME.
AND TO, TO THROW ANOTHER ROADBLOCK IN FRONT OF ME, I DON'T THINK IS FAIR OR RIGHT.
AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE KEEP THE AL CERTIFICATION.
IT'S NOT GONNA UNDERMINE ANYTHING WITH THE I C C CODES.
ANYBODY THE CODES WILL KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT I'M GONNA LOOK AT IN TUNNEL, THERE'S NOTHING DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO CODES.
SO THAT'S THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO SAY.
I COULD REITERATE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE ENGINEERS DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CERTIFICATIONS AS FAR AS I C C YET THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THESE THINGS.
AND MOST CASES DO NOT HAVE PLUMBING BACKGROUND.
I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE THAT POINT.
THEY'RE ENGINEERED, YOU'RE GONNA ACCEPT THEIR LETTERS, THEY GOT THE LIABILITY THEY'RE GONNA ACCEPT.
BUT I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE FOR A POINT, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THIS.
SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE KEEP THAT LANGUAGE.
I'M FINE WITH ALL THE OTHER CHANGES THAT MIKE AND THEM MADE.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAVE A CONCERN WITH.
AND I THINK I HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN AS TO WHY THAT'S BEING PUT UP THERE.
UH, AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN, BEEN DELAYED TWO AND A HALF YEARS.
UM, I'D LIKE FOR THIS TO GET RESOLVED AND LET'S MOVE ON AND LET ME HELP THESE PLUMBERS WITH SOME NEEDS.
'CAUSE THIS IS GONNA HELP THEM, IT'S GONNA HELP KEEP THE COST DOWN THE CONSUMER BECAUSE I CAN BE THERE FASTER THAN MOST CASES THAN WHAT AN ENGINEER CAN OR EVEN DOING THE, THE VIDEO, UH, SETUP.
UM, I'VE GOT MY SON AS AN ASSISTANT, SO SOMETIMES THE PLUMBER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A SPOTTER.
'CAUSE I DON'T DARE GO ON A TUNNEL WITHOUT A SPOTTER.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT IT MAKES THINGS A LOT SMOOTHER AND CHEAPER AND EASIER FOR THE CONSUMER AND THE CONTRACTOR.
AND SO I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE YOU KEEP THAT, WHAT HE STRUCK OUT AND, AND THEN DELAY THIS THING EVEN LONGER AND, AND HONESTLY CREATE ME A A A BUNCH OF HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH.
UH, MR. STRICKER, I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF THE TIME AND THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND, UM, YOU KNOW, APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I HEARD OUTTA YOUR COMMENTS AND I, I ALWAYS HATE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT IMPEDES YOUR ABILITY TO PRACTICE, BUT THIS WAS ABOUT YOU AND I THINK THE CITY HAS TO LOOK AT THE LARGER SEGMENT OF THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY I A PMO, UH, PEOPLE ARE CERTIFIED IN HERE.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD COVER ALL OF THE TUNNEL INSPECTIONS.
SO I I THINK THAT WHAT OUR CHARGE AS THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODE APPEALS ADVISORY IS TO LOOK AT THE MUCH LARGER PICTURE THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL.
AND SO AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, THERE'S A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S RESEARCHED THIS, WHETHER THEY DID IT IN SIX MONTHS OR FIVE YEARS, IT HAS GOTTEN
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TO THE POINT THAT THIS IS WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED.AND UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S MORE UNIVERSAL AND NOT INDIVIDUAL IN YOUR ARGUMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD RULE AGAINST THIS LANGUAGE MYSELF BECAUSE THE, THE CHARGE OF THE CITY IS THE WHOLE CITY.
NOT AN INDIVIDUAL, NOT A PROJECT.
NO, I MEAN, HE, YOUR, IT'S YOUR OPINION.
I I I FEEL AS THE, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, AND I I DIDN'T MEAN TO SOUND, JUST FOR ME, I, I GUESS MY FRUSTRATION OF HOW LONG IT'S TAKING, IT'S COMING OUT.
BUT EVEN WITH THE, THAT CERTIFICATION IN THERE, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT DOES NOT UNDERMINE THE I P C WHATSOEVER BECAUSE MAJORITY, VAST MAJORITY OF THE CODES, THE TWO CODES ARE THE SAME.
THERE ARE SOME NUANCES THAT ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT HAVE, NONE OF THOSE NUANCES REALLY AFFECT THE TUNNEL AT ALL.
AND THAT'S ALL THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL, ME OR WHOEVER IS LOOKING AT IS TUNNEL.
WE'RE NOT COMING TO WORK AS A THIRD PARTY TO DO OTHER INSPECTIONS FOR THE CITY.
THIS IS STRICTLY FOR TUNNEL WORK ONLY.
AND SO THE THE FACT OF THE CERTIFICATION YOU HAVE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE, THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODES OR, OR HOW THE CODES ARE, ARE WRITTEN BECAUSE THIS TYPE OF THE ROUGH ENDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL IN THE CODE WHEN YOU GO TO CHAPTER SEVEN IN EITHER CODE, THE LANGUAGE IS VERY, VERY MUCH THE SAME.
THEY'VE GOT SO CLOSE TOGETHER OVER THE YEARS.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UH, SPENCER RAMSDALE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR MEETINGS WE HAD AGREED ON, UH, IMO WE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ON IT.
AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE, IF WE HAD THIS PASSED WITH THAT CERTIFICATION LANGUAGE IN THERE, EVERY CODE CYCLE, THIS IS GONNA COME BACK UP.
AND THAT COULD BE BROUGHT UP TO STRICTER SAYING, HEY, WE GOT THIS PASSED THROUGH HERE, BUT YOU NEED TO BE WORKING ON YOUR CERTIFICATION AS WELL IN THE FUTURE.
SO WHEN THE NEXT CODE CYCLE COMES BACK UP, YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL THAT LANGUAGE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BEEN ADDED ON THROUGH THE CODES AND GETTING, YOU KNOW, THE INTERNATIONAL CERTIFICATION WOULD BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST AND THE TIME OF GETTING THIS PASSED THROUGH FOR THE NEXT CODE CYCLE.
SO THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS ON IT THERE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UH, GEORGE SALIVA JUST AN ALTERNATE, BUT I'D LIKE TO THROW THIS OUT THERE.
UH, BEING, UH, WE DO A LOT OF TUNNELS.
UH, ALL THE, ALL THE HOUSES THAT WE ARE DOING TUNNELS IN
SO TO SAY THAT THE TUNNELS SHOULD BE SPECIFIC OR SHOULD BE, UH, I MEAN, TO EVEN FOLLOW THE I C C CODES, I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS TO BE IRRELEVANT BECAUSE MOST OF THE ROUGH IN, OR ALL THE ROUGH IN IS GONNA BE OLD.
SEEMS LIKE IN THIS SITUATION, SOMEBODY WITH AN I AMO CERTIFICATION IS GONNA HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WAS AND WHAT IS SHOULD BE.
IF THIS IS JEFF BYER, I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT HE JUST SAID.
UH, THE TWO CODES ARE IN THE TUNNELING IS, I'M GONNA ALMOST SAY NO DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, I, MY OPINION IS, I THINK LEADING THAT IN THERE WOULD BE OKAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY RESPONSE FROM STAFF? I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST JUMP IN.
UH, IF I MAY, UM, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS AGAIN, MIKE SHANNON, UH, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE, UH, A COUPLE THINGS CLEAR.
ONE IS, UH, THE, I, I THINK WE'VE DONE THIS, BUT THE THE LANGUAGE STRICKEN OUT IS, IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CHANGES FROM, UH, WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO, UM, AND I, I I THINK THAT'S CLEAR, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, BECAUSE WE WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE SHOW WHAT WHAT IS RECOMMENDED OR AT LEAST RECOMMENDED FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND THEN I THINK JEREMY DID A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT.
I, I HEARD ONE COMMENT THAT I WAS, I THINK IT MAYBE GOT, UH, MUDDLED UP.
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A LITTLE BIT ON THE I C C AND OR I AMO.UM, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS AROUND WHEN WE DECIDED AS A CITY OVER A DECADE AGO, AND WE CHOSE THE I C C, UH, VERSION OF THE PLUMBING AND FUEL GAS VERSUS THE AMO.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CHOSE OVER A DECADE AGO TO BE AN I C C CITY.
UH, THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTIME SOON.
UH, EVERY TIME WE HIT A CODE CYCLE, UH, WE ARE AN INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL ORGANIZATION AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE.
UM, NOW, UH, THAT, THAT BEING SAID, UH, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO, UH, HAVE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS THAT MATCH, UH, WHAT WE DO WHEN WE HIRE NEW, UH, PLUMBING INSPECTORS NOW, WHICH IS THE I C C CERTIFICATION.
UM, AND I THINK ROBERT WAS EVEN HERE, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, EVEN A DOZEN OR SO YEARS AGO.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE HE WAS STILL HERE AT THAT TIME.
BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T KNOW, UH, THE EXACT DIFFERENCES.
I'M NOT THE PLUMBER OF I AMO UH, VERSUS I C C, UH, BUT I DO KNOW IN THE FUTURE, UH, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO CONSIDER I C C AND I, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.
UH, SO TO CONTINUE TO GRANDFATHER, UM, YOU KNOW, 10, 10 YEARS AGO, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UH, WE'RE PRESENTING THAT THAT WAY AS, AS, UH, AS OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS.
AND I'M, AND I'M, I'M, I AM LOOKING FOR IT.
HEARD THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE OLDER HOMES AND SUCH LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU, EVEN WHEN YOU RENOVATE A HOME NOW, UH, IF YOU DO, IF YOU DO NEW PLUMBING WORK AND THOSE, THAT SECTION IS SUPPOSED TO BE PER THE NEW COAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, AND, AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE REPAIRING IT VERSUS RENOVATING VERSUS NEW, UH, WATER IN, UH, SEWER OUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET INTO ALL THOSE DETAILS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE HARD PRESS PRESSED FOR US TO GO BACKWARDS AND ACCEPT I ATMOS CERTIFICATIONS IN LIEU OF, AND THEN FINALLY, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T DISCOUNT THE FACT THAT IT WOULD TAKE ANYONE, INCLUDING MR. STRICKER SOME MONEY, COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS TO TAKE THE I I, UH, I C C TEST, UH, GO ONLINE, SCHEDULE IT, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS TO A MONTH OR WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FIVE YEAR, $5,000 PROCESS.
UH, AND I'M NOT DISCOUNTING A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MONEY IS MONEY AND, AND WE'RE NOT OUT TO SPEND EXTRA MONEY.
BUT EVEN TO ROBERT'S POINT, ROBERT SAID IT ALOUD, I COULD PASS THOSE TESTS THAT TEST EASILY.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A, AS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS A SIGNIFICANT ROADBLOCK OR HARDSHIP.
BUT WHAT I DO SEE IT AS IS US WORKING TOGETHER IS SETTING THE QUALIFICATIONS RIGHT FROM THE GET GO.
AND ACTUALLY, HOPEFULLY ROBERT WILL TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT AND PASS THE TEST AND MOVE ON.
AND, AND IN THAT, THAT POINT, I FEEL LIKE WE'D HAVE A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF, UH, POINTS.
THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN 2 CENTS, BUT UH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE WERE AS A STAFF, AND CERTAINLY ME AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TRYING TO, TRYING TO SET THIS AS OUR POLICY MOVING FORWARD.
SO HOPEFULLY THOSE COMMENTS, UH, CLARIFIED MORE THAN HURT.
SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL END IT THERE AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU WILL.
MIKE AND, AND I, AND I HEAR, AND I RESPECT WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
UM, CAN I ASK ONE THING, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK GOING ON, SO I'M, I'M, I'M BUSY WITH THINGS AND I CAN, I'LL BE DOING THESE INSPECTIONS IF I CAN PROVE SO FORTH AS FAR AS SETTING AND STUDYING FOR THE TEST.
WHAT I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA STRIKE IT, CAN WE AT LEAST MAYBE PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT, THAT, THAT OF, OF A TIMEFRAME THAT HA I, I CAN START DOING THESE INSPECTIONS, BUT I GOTTA HAVE THESE CERTIFICATIONS IN SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT I CC'S TIMEFRAME AS FAR AS SCHEDULING IT AND, AND GETTING IT DONE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
I KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN WE HAD OUR GUYS DO IT, THERE WAS A PROCESS THAT COULD TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 60 TO 90 TO 180 DAYS, DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR GETTING CERTIFICATIONS DONE.
BUT CAN I ASK THAT, THAT IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, THAT I'D BE ALLOWED TO DO THE INSPECTIONS IN THE MEANTIME AS LONG AS WITH A DEADLINE THAT I HAVE THOSE I C C CERTIFICATIONS BY SUCH AND SUCH DATE.
OTHERWISE, IF, IF I DON'T HAVE TIME, THEN I'M YANKED.
I THINK THAT'D BE A FAIR COMPROMISE.
UM, AND THEN AT LEAST GIVES ME A CHANCE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DO MY, KEEP WORKING DURING THE DAY AND THEN DO SOME STUDYING IN THE MEANTIME TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, 'CAUSE I'M ONE OF THOSE GUYS THAT I'M NOT, I KNOW I CAN PASS THE TEST, BUT I WANNA TRY TO MAKE A HUNDRED.
BUT, UH, SO I WANT THEN, UH, DEFINITELY STUDY AND, AND MAKE SURE, SO CAN I JUST ASK THAT FAVOR THAT, THAT MAYBE YOU DO THAT? 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT, LIKE,
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IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE WITH REGARDS TO HIRING PEOPLE OR WHATEVER.YOU GIVE 'EM A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME TO GET THINGS DONE.
SO, UM, WOULD THAT BE TOO MUCH TO ASK? HEY, UH, BRIAN, THIS IS MIKE RUSS.
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT REAL FAST ON THAT? OF COURSE, MIKE.
UM, I, I GUESS, I MEAN, PART OF IT'S A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, AS WE SIT TODAY, THE ONLY WAY TO GET THIS INSPECTIONS DONE IS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE OPTIONS THAT ARE IN THE, UH, THE TECHNICAL BULLETIN, RIGHT? MEANING THAT NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF PLUMBING, UH, INSPECTION CERTIFICATION YOU HAVE, AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A, UM, AUTHORIZED INSPECTION.
IS THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? UH, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO TO THAT, YOU KNOW, TO THAT POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE WHERE MR. STICKER'S COMING FROM ON THAT.
I, I, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF IT WAS JUST, IF WE COULD PASS A LAW THAT JUST APPLIED TO MR. STICKER, I'D PROBABLY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TO ROBERT'S POINT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, OPENING THAT UP TO, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A CERTIFICATION SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, BUT FOR NOW YOU CAN DO INSPECTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S MR. SHANNON'S POINT, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS DESIGNED TO REPLICATE A CITY INSPECTION AND IF THE CITY IS INSPECTING, YOU KNOW, ON THE I C C AND INSPECT, EXPECT ITS OWN INSPECTORS TO BE I C C CERTIFIED, YOU KNOW, AS A CONSUMER OF THESE TYPE OF INSPECTIONS, I WOULD SAY I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING, WE CAN GIVE MORE OPTIONS AND IF YOU KNOW IT, BUT IT'S STILL MEANT TO REPLICATE THE CITY INSPECTION.
AND TO ME IT MAKES SENSE, UM, THAT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, REPLICATE THE CERTIFICATION THAT THE CITY INSPECTOR HAS.
YOU KNOW, SO I, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE MR. STROGER'S PERSPECTIVE, AND I DON'T WANT BE DISMISSIVE O OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I SUPPORT, UM, I SUPPORT THE LANGUAGE AS IT'S BEEN, UH, ADOPTED OR RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY.
HEY BRIAN, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN.
UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, MR. SHANNON SAID WAS THAT WE ARE AN I C C CITY, AND THAT'S TRUE, AND THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME THAT WORKED REAL HARD WHEN WE TRANSFERRED FROM THE UNIFORM CODES TO THE INTERNATIONAL CODES.
UM, BUT LET ME ASK AMID, AMID, WE ARE ON OUR NEXT CYCLE IN, IN, IN LOOKING THROUGH YOUR CRYSTAL BALL BY THE TIME WE REVIEW THE NEW CYCLE AND WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPLEMENTATION, EARLIEST IMPLEMENTATION DATE OF THE NEW CODE AFTER WE, AFTER THIS COMMITTEE REVIEWS THE, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE NEW CODE, THE NEW ADDITION OF THE CODES? SURE.
THIS IS EMMY AND THOMAS' DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO OUR PLAN, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE PLAN GONNA CHANGE, BUT OUR PLAN AT THIS MOMENT IS TO START REVIEWING THE CODES THIS SUMMER.
AND AS YOU KNOW, FROM PREVIOUS CODE CYCLES, IT'S GONNA TAKE US TWO TO THREE MONTHS TO DO THE REVIEW AND COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN NORMALLY WHAT WE ASK FOR IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, 60 TO 90 DAYS GRACE PERIOD SO PEOPLE CAN FINISH WHATEVER PROJECTS THEY HAVE WITH THE OLD CODE OR THE DESIGNS.
UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, IF WE START IN SUMMERTIME TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR IS WHEN, WHEN IT SHOULD BE IN EFFECT.
SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION TO MEET FOR YOUR STAFF, YOU AND JEREMY, IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND MAKE IT AN EFFECTIVE AT THE IMPLEMENTATION IN THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE NEW CYCLE OF CODES? UH, THAT WOULD GIVE MR. STRICKER MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO TAKE HIS TEST, BUT IT WOULDN'T MAKE IT AN EFFECT.
ROBERT, YOU, YOU WOULD NEED TO VOTE ON THIS TO PUT IT IN EFFECT AND THEN HAVE THAT TIME LIMIT OF SAY, WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NORMALLY IN THE FALL WHEN IT'S VOTED UPON, WHICH IS THE APPROXIMATE FOUR TO SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
AND LET ME, UH, LEMME ANSWER THAT AS WELL, ROBERT.
UH, SO I MEAN, AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE NOT HERE TO BE AGAINST ANYBODY.
SO IF, IF WE DO PUSH IT BACK TO THAT DATE, LET'S SAY END OF THIS YEAR, SO THAT MEAN EVEN IF HE PASSES ANYBODY WHO APPLIES FOR THIS CERTIFICATION OR THIS, UH, THIRD PARTY INSPECTION, IF THEY HAVE THE I C TOMORROW, THEN THEY CANNOT USE IT.
THEY CAN DO ANYTHING WITH IT UNTIL IT'S, SO IN MY, MY RECOMMENDATION, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR MIKE SHANNON, BUT I, I THINK AS A BUILDING OFFICIAL, MIKE SHANNON AS A, AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, I THINK HE FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING RIGHT NOW.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S WILLING TO APPROVE IT, LET'S SAY TOMORROW OR, OR
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WITHIN A WEEK.SO THEN THAT WAY THE MINUTE, UH, ROBERT PASSES HIS EXAM, HE'S QUALIFIED.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND, AND I'M GONNA, IF, IF, IF, UH, IF BRIAN, BRIAN, UH,
CERTAINLY THAT'S ALWAYS, UH, AN OPTION.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY HERE BECAUSE THIS IS WITHIN THE POWER, THE ADMINISTRATIVE POWER OF, OF THE DEPARTMENT.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE ON, ON A, ON A, ON A, UH, ON MAYBE A, AN APPROVAL OR A STEP FORWARD.
UH, I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO ADD, UM, AND, AND CERTAINLY WITH ROBERT IN MIND, BUT ANYBODY ELSE WE HAVE OVER THE YEARS, UM, THE I C C TEST TAKING PROCESS IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN IT EVER WAS BEFORE.
UH, SO MUCH SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A FACILITY AND TAKE THIS TEST AND WAIT IN A HARD, YOU KNOW, TEST CENTER.
UH, YOU CAN SET IT UP ON YOUR HOME COMPUTER, UH, WITH A FEW THINGS AND, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY HELP YOU.
WE ACTUALLY CREATED A LITTLE TEST, UM, FOR OUR STAFF HERE.
SO THE TIMELINES TO GET A TEST IS, IS, UH, DAYS OR WEEKS, NOT, NOT THE OLD SEVERAL MONTHS TO HAVE FOR A YEAR.
AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH ROBERT OR ANYBODY ELSE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY GET THAT A, A TEST TEST ABILITY VERY QUICKLY.
I MEAN, I, I CAN'T PROMISE A DAY OR TWO.
I, I, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT SCHEDULE, BUT UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO HELP THOSE THAT MEET THIS QUALIFICATION MAYBE, BUT THE I C C TEST, UM, UH, LIKE ROBERT OR ANYBODY ELSE.
SO JUST, JUST SOME I IDEA ON TIMELINES.
UM, BUT I THINK AMIN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU AMIN, UH, ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UH, NOT WAITING.
I THINK WE'VE HAD, UH, DISCUSSION.
IS THERE ANY OTHER LAST QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? HEARING NONE IF SOMEONE WOULD MAKE A MOTION ON THE AGENDA ITEM ROBERT HENLEY, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MOTION AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF FOR APPROVAL.
ROBERT, DO I HAVE A SECOND FROM A BOARD MEMBER? I'LL SECOND.
SO I HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, BASED OFF MR. RU'S RECOMMENDATION, I HAVE ADDED UNDER PROCEDURES THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL IS REQUIRED TO BE ED, I'M SORRY.
UH, THE APPROVED INDIVIDUAL MAY NOT BE EMPLOYED BY THE COMPANY PERFORMING THE WORK THAT IS BEING INSPECTED.
I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION, RIGHT? THAT'S ACCEPT TO THE SECOND.
AND RON, SO WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND WITH THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
DO WE, CAN WE DO A VOICE OR ARE WE GONNA NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL? JEREMY, UH, MR. HARNEY ROLL CALL ON THIS ONE PLEASE.
IF STAFF CAN GO AHEAD AND START THE ROLL CALL FOR THIS VOTE PLEASE.
A MOTION PASSES WITH A VOTE OF UM, A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
JEREMY, IS THERE ANY OTHER, I DON'T SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS AT THIS TIME? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT IS THE ONLY AGENDA ITEM FOR TODAY.
ALRIGHT, THERE'S THERE NO OTHER AGENDA ITEM.
UH, I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE ADJOURNED AT 2 35.