* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:08] ALL RIGHT. YES SIR. YOU ARE LIVE. [Work Session] VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I HAVE APPROXIMATELY 1232. SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN THE WORK SESSION STAFF. IS THERE ANYTHING WE WANNA DISCUSS IN THE WORK SESSION BEFORE WE GO TO THE KEEPING THREE ITEMS FOR OUR HEARING? UH, NOPE. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL OTHER THAN THE THREE ITEMS LISTED. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT, UH, ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TWO ZONING CASES THAT WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA TODAY? COULD WE JUST GET THE COUNTS? ITEM ONE HAD 29 NOTICES MAILED ZERO, RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. LA VACA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED, AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS OPPOSED. AND FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE HAD 46 NOTICES MAILED TWO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. UM, TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED AND ONE OTHER OUTSIDE. THE 200 FOOT BUFFER IS OPPOSED. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND UH, ON THE ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT PLAN AMENDMENT PASSED, CORRECT? THE ASSOCIATED PLAN AMENDMENT? YES, IT DID. OKAY. UH, ALL RIGHT. UM, THE THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA, I THINK WE OUGHT TO RESERVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT FOR THE HEARING ITSELF, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'LL ALL KIND OF SHADE INTO DELIBERATION. UH, BUT THAT'S JUST GONNA BE INFORMATIONAL. I THINK ALL THE COMMISSION MEMBERS GOT AN EMAIL, UH, INTRODUCING THIS ISSUE, UH, LAST WEEK, AND SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT THEN. UH, BUT YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THE VARIOUS ISSUES RELATED TO, UH, THE DEEP FREEZE THAT WE ALL SUFFERED THROUGH, ALTHOUGH CERTAINLY IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF US MORE THAN OTHERS, AND I APOLOGIZE AND I HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GUILT BECAUSE I NEVER LOST POWER , UM, , SO I'M SORRY FOR ALL OF YOU WHO HAD SUCH A BAD EXPERIENCE, UM, WAS THE INVITE. I I DIDN'T GET AN INVITE, , IF I WASN'T HORRIBLY EMBARRASSED OF MY HOUSE, UH, I THINK I WOULD'VE DONE SO . UM, BUT IN ANY EVENT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GONNA BE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE OPEN MEETINGS LAWS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT IN ITEM NUMBER THREE. SO, UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSION MEMBER HAVE A CONCERN OR SOMETHING THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IN THIS WORK SESSION? SEEING NONE, WE WILL, UH, GO OFF AIR AND RECONVENE AT ONE. THE TIME IS 1235. THANK YOU. WE'RE LIVE, MR. CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMANTE AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION IN THE SESSION. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? THANK YOU. AND STAFF, IF YOU PLEASE CONDUCT THE ROLL CALL. [Roll Call] DR. JONES PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CAYMAN. UH, PRESENT COMMISSIONER, WE PRESENT DR. ROMERO. HERE. [00:05:02] COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? HERE. COMMISSIONER WHITE. HERE. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? HERE. PROAM GREATHOUSE. HERE. VICE CHAIR SITE HERE. CHAIR BUSE. PRESENT. YOU HAVE A QUORUM, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, PRIOR TO STARTING WITH OUR ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT STAFF, IF YOU WOULD, TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEETINGS VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE. THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETING ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW.SANANTONIO.GOV/DSD OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES. THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING. STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD FOR ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT, STAFF WILL PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL. LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALL BACK, WE WILL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENT. SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED. THE APPLICANT WILL BE THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, STAFF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REVIEW THE CURRENT LIST OF CONSENT INDIVIDUAL AND ANY POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS [1. 21-1692 (Continued from 02/02/21) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700266 (Council District 1)] ON COMBINED HEARING, NUMBER ONE AND ITEM NUMBER TWO IS ON INDIVIDUAL HEARINGS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE ANY COMM OH, PLEASE. OH, AND I WAS JUST GONNA NOTE THAT ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ALSO ON INDIVIDUAL FOR DISCUSSION. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO MOVE R ONE CONSENT ITEM TO INDIVIDUAL HEARING NONE. UH, STAFF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE READ THE CONSENT ITEM INTO THE RECORD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. HERE WE GO. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND FOR 10 DWELLING UNITS. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT ONE 14 WEST CAROLINA STREET. 29 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO. WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. ZERO. WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS OPPOSED. MR. CHAIR. VERY GOOD. IS THERE A MOTION COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? MOTION TO APPROVE. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES SECOND. VERY GOOD. STAFF ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. TO MR. MCGEE? YES. TO MR. KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE DR. ROMERO? YES TO MR. GIBBONS? SAME. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE-CHAIRS? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION. OKAY, WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF WE COULD BEGIN WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS, PLEASE. [00:10:05] ITEM NUMBER TWO IS [2. 21-1969 (Continued from 02/02/2021) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700295 (Council District 1)] A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR NINE DWELLING UNITS. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT TWO 20 AND 2 24 EAST PORTLAND PLACE. 46 NOTICES WERE MAILED. TWO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED AND ONE OTHER OUTSIDE. THE 200 FOOT BUFFER IS OPPOSED. THANK YOU. STAFF IS THE, I'M SORRY, WE JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, SIR. OH, SORRY. THE CURRENT C TWO ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED I D Z TWO MEDIUM INTENSITY INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE DISTRICT WITH USE OF PERMITTED FOR NINE DWELLING UNITS WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE AS THE PRESCRIBED DENSITY FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. CALLS FOR MORE LIMITED DENSITY IN THE MIDTOWN REGIONAL CENTER PLAN. THUS, STAFF RECOMMENDS I D Z ONE LIMITED DENSITY IN FIELD DEVELOPMENT AS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE THAT THE LAND USE RECOMMENDS. UH, THAT IS THE LAND USE RECOMMENDED BY THE NEWLY ADOPTED MIDTOWN REGIONAL CENTER. PLAN THIS LIMITS AND MAINTAINS THE NECESSARY DENSITY PER THE PLAN'S DESIGN AND ANALYSIS. SIR. CHAIR, MR. THANK YOU. SORRY, I DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT AGAIN. I APOLOGIZE. I WAS TRYING TO NO WORRIES. GET THROUGH THIS VERY SHORT MEETING. UM, I GUESS I SHOULDN'T GO FOR ANY RECORDS. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? UH, YES SIR. SHALL I BEGIN? IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, AND IF YOU WOULD, STATE YOUR NAME, UH, AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. WILL DO. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MR. CHAIR AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS JAY LOUDEN WITH WORKSHOP OF 1 2 3 PARLIN PLACE, SUITE 100. UM, WE ARE A LOCAL ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNING FIRM AND, UH, REPRESENTING ANTONIO QUADRAT OF CUBE DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM, FIRST THANK YOU FOR THE CONTINUANCE GRANTED TO THIS CASE PREVIOUSLY. UM, THAT ALLOWED US TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO. UM, THEY SUPPORTED OUR REQUEST TO AMEND THE PROPERTY'S LAND USE CATEGORY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE TO URBAN MIXED USE. UM, SO OUR REQUEST TO YOU, WHICH IS FOR I D Z TWO ZONING WITH THE ACCOMPANYING SITE PLAN THAT WE'LL LOOK AT IN A MOMENT, UM, FALLS WITHIN THAT LAND USE CATEGORY. IN FACT, IT'S AT THE VERY LOW END OF THE RANGE FOR, UH, DENSITY AND INTENSITY ALLOWABLE WITHIN URBAN MIXED USE. UH, WHAT I'LL PRESENT TO YOU TODAY IS TO SHOW HOW OUR ZONING REQUEST FITS WITHIN THE INTENT OF THE MIDTOWN LAND USE PLAN IS OF A DENSITY AND INTENSITY WHICH IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA AND IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE USE OF NEARBY PROPERTIES. UM, SO THE SLIDE YOU SEE HERE, UM, THE INTENT OF THE MIDTOWN PLAN IN THIS AREA IS TO CREATE A GRADATION OF DENSITY AS SHOWN BY THAT RED ARROW. SO IT'S MORE DENSE TOWARDS SAN PEDRO, UH, LESS DENSE AS YOU MOVE EAST TOWARDS THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF TOGAN HILL. UM, CURRENT ZONING ALONG MACOLA, UM, WHICH IS JUST ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT BOX, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. UM, ZONING ALONG THE COLA IS VERY MUCH OUT OF SYNC WITH THAT INTENTION. AND ALSO, AS I'LL SHOW YOU TODAY, UM, THE REQUEST IS IN LINE WITH THE INTENT OF THE PLAN. UM, IN FACT, THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND WILL ACTUALLY RESULT IN A LOWER DENSITY OF USE THAN WHAT BUYER RIGHTS ZONING CURRENTLY ALLOWS. UM, ON THE SECOND SLIDE, IF YOU COULD GO THERE, WE'LL ENLARGE THAT A LITTLE BIT AND I'VE AGAIN HIGHLIGHTED THE PROPERTY WITH A RED BOX AND THAT'S COLA AVENUE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BOX. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE URBAN MIXED USE LAND USE IN THE DARK PURPLE TRANSITIONING TO NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE IN LIFE PURPLE. UM, THIS GRAPHIC, I SHOULD SAY, REFLECTS THE PROPERTY AS URBAN MIXED USE AS SUPPORTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE URBAN MIXED USE, UM, ALONG MACOLA. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, IT'S A COMPARISON OF ACTUAL ZONING WITH LAND USE AND THAT'S WHERE WE START TO GET INTO THE ISSUES HERE. UM, SO IN THIS IMAGE, THE PROPERTIES IN ORANGE ARE ZONED FOR HIGHER INTENSITY USES THAN THE MIDTOWN PLAN CALLS FOR. UM, WHILE THE PROPERTIES IN BLUE ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, UM, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE ZONING OF THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTIES IS OUT OF STEP WITH THE LAND USE PLAN AND THIS AREA. AND, AND THIS IS MOST COMMON WHEN A NEW LAND USE PLAN INDICATES DOWN ZONING, UM, LIKE THIS ONE DOES. UM, SO ULTIMATELY THE GOAL IS TO GET PROPERTY OWNERS TO ACCEPT A LOWER INTENSITY ZONING, UM, WHEN REZONING OCCURS ON THE NEXT SLIDE. AND WE'RE ON SLIDE FOUR NOW. UM, SO THAT DOWN ZONING IS IN LINE WITH OUR REQUEST. SO THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS AGAIN HIGHLIGHTED A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER TO SEE ON THIS ONE. UM, BUT THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED C TWO AS IS MUCH OF THE PROPERTY ALONG MAKOLA. UM, THAT'S A, A KIND OF LEFTOVER FROM EARLIER PLANNING IDEAS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT NICOLA AS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. UM, INSTEAD OF MAINTAINING THAT C TWO ZONING AND BUILDING, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING YOU COULD IN C TWO FROM [00:15:01] A REPAIR SHOP TO RETAIL TO MF 33 INSTEAD, WE ARE SEEKING TO CHANGE, UM, DOWN TO AN IDZ TWO ZONING TO BUILD TOWN HOMES ON THE PROPERTY. UM, SO THAT'S A CONSIDERABLY LESS INTENSE USE THAN C TWO AND IT'S IN THAT WAY CONSISTENT WITHIN THE TOWN PLANNED AS WELL AS WITH THE URBAN MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE ALSO A NUMBER OF I D Z ZONINGS IN THE AREA ALREADY. THAT'S THE BLUE THERE, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY, UM, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL AS DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE CORNER. UM, NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE FIVE, UM, IS A COMPARISON OF DENSITIES. UM, SO THE PROJECT PROPOSES NINE UNITS ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH INDICATES THAT, UM, THAT, THAT THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY OF THE PROJECT. UM, SO THIS DENSITY IS ABOUT 22 AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE. UH, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE, IN THE AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS GRAPHIC, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DARKER ORANGE, THERE IS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN PLACE ALREADY, UM, WHICH IS GREATER THAN 18 UNITS PER ACRE. UM, THE MEDIUM ORANGE IS GREATER THAN 16 UNITS. UH, AND, AND THEN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY THERE IN THE YELLOW. THOSE ARE CURRENT LAND USES REQUIRING A A C TWO ZONING, UM, WHICH IS, UH, OF COURSE AS I MENTIONED, NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, BUT THOSE ARE EXISTING USES. UM, SLIDE SIX IS THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. UH, SO LOOKING AT THE PLAN HERE, YOU CAN SEE SEVERAL FEATURES THAT WE THINK REPRESENT APPROPRIATE RESPONSES TO THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, FIRST IS THAT THE PROJECT ADDRESSES MCCOLL. UM, SO THAT'S ITS MOST SIGNIFICANT FRONTAGE AND WE BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOT TURN THE BACK OF THE PROJECT TO MCCO. UM, SECOND, ALL UNITS HAVE TWO GARAGE PARKING SPACES, MEANING THAT WE DO NOT PROJECT ADDITIONAL STREET PARKING. UM, THIRD IS THAT THE PROJECT DEDICATES RIGHT OF WAY TO MCCULLOUGH AS PART OF THE URBAN CORRIDOR OVERLAY, AND IT TRADITIONALLY WIDENS AND IMPROVES THE SIDEWALK ALONG MCCULLOUGH. UM, SO THAT HELPS MAKE THE AREA MORE WALKABLE. UM, SO IN CLOSING, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS PROJECT INVOLVES THE AMENDMENT OF A NEWLY ADOPTED PLAN. UM, AND THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGING THING, BUT REALLY EVEN THE BEST PLANS NEED FINE TUNING AS ON THE GROUND CONDITIONS EVOLVE, WHICH CAN, AND AS WE'VE SEEN IN THIS PAST YEAR, DOES HAPPEN QUITE QUICKLY. UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE SEE THIS PROPOSAL. THIS IS JUST A SMALL TWEAK, UM, TO ALLOW THE ZONING, UM, UH, TO CHANGE TO, TO MATCH TO A PROJECT. UM, THAT'S REALLY JUST THE TWO UNITS GREATER THAN THE SEVEN UNITS, UM, ALLOWABLE UNDER THE I D Z ONE ZONING. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S IN LINE WITH THE GOALS AND VISION OF THE PLAN. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF THE REZONING REQUEST. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, MR. LOUDON STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, IN THAT CASE, THIS IS THE DISTRICT ONE CASE, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. MY FIRST QUESTION, UM, IS FOR STAFF. UM, CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF AN IDEA OF THE, SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES THAT WOULD COME ALONG WITH I D Z ONE VERSUS I D Z TWO WITH RESPECT TO, UM, HEIGHT LIMITATIONS OR IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER DISTINCTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD, UM, DISTINGUISH AN I D Z TWO FROM AN IDZ ONE? SURE. SO I D Z TWO IS GOING TO JUST REDUCE THE PARKING BY 50%. UM, I D Z ONE WAY THE PARKING, SO THAT'S ONE DIFFERENT, AS FAR AS THE USES PRESCRIBED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE LIGHT COMMERCIAL USES IN THE IDZ ONE AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE ACCUSTOMED TO RESIDENTIAL USE. AND THEN IDZ TWO IS GONNA BE YOUR C TWO USES AND THEN ADDITIONAL DENSITY. SO FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, I GUESS, IS THERE ANYTHING REALLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO AS FAR AS HEIGHTS THAT ARE ALLOWED OR, UM, SETBACKS? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I D Z GETS FOR THE SETBACKS, BUT, SO I GUESS HEIGHT WOULD BE MY MAIN QUESTION. YES, I, WELL THE, THERE IS, UM, STORY DIFFERENCES THAT BEING THAT IDZ ONE IS GONNA BE 35 FEET OR TWO AND A HALF STORIES, AND THEN IDZ TWO IS 40 FEET, I'M SORRY, FOUR STORIES. I'M BIG IN TERMS OF THE, UH, FOUR STORIES. SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE DIFFERENCE. BUT THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT WE DO NOW HAVE THE NEW, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT IF IT IS ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY ZONED RESIDENTIAL, THEN IT HAS TO, UH, [00:20:01] IT, IT HAS TO SET BACK 50 FEET AND THEN IT HAS TO MATCH THE HEIGHT OF, OF THE PROPOSED, UH, OF WHAT EXISTS. SO IN THIS CASE, I THINK WE HAVE A VACANT LOT NEXT DOOR THAT'S ZONED MF 33 FROM, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. SO HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE POTENTIAL HEIGHTS? I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP. I'M SORRY TO BE TAKING SO MUCH TIME, BUT I WANTED TO BE SURE AND, AND REVIEW THE MAP. SO BEHIND IT, IF THERE ARE C I KNOW THE PROPERTY IS ZONE C TWO, BUT IF THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL USES, THEN IT WOULD APPLY TO THE REAR. HOWEVER, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, WHICH IS MF 33, UH, HAS ITS OWN, UH, HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. SO I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS IF SOMEONE WAS, OKAY, WELL I GUESS THERE, MF 33 IS GONNA BE 45 FEET, SO THEN WE'RE NOT CORRECT. I'M THINKING OF THE, OF, IN THE INSTANCE WHERE YOU HAVE A, A RESIDENTIAL USE, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE, BUT IF THE, IF THE LOT IS CURRENTLY VACANT, THEN THAT WOULDN'T APPLY HERE. IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? UH, SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S VERY CONSTRICTIVE BECAUSE AGAIN, YOUR HEIGHT LIMITATION IS GONNA BE WITHIN 50 FEET OF THE, UH, A BUDDING SINGLE FAMILY USE. SO THEY'LL HAVE TO GO 50 FEET FROM THE REAR AND THEN THEY COULD GO HIGHER. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A VERY SMALL AREA OF THE PROPERTY IN WHICH YOU CAN GO HIGHER THAN 35 FEET, TWO AND A HALF DOORS. SO THEY'LL HAVE TO, THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE USE OF WHAT AVAILABLE AREA THEY HAVE, WHERE THAT RESTRICTION WOULD NOT APPLY. OKAY. OKAY. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, AND THEN, UM, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I GUESS I HAVE IS ON THE SITE PLAN FOR I D Z, WILL THE HEIGHT BE SHOWN, AND IF SO, WHAT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES IS THERE TO AMEND THAT, UM, ADMINISTRATIVELY ONCE IT'S BEEN, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, SO FOR I D Z, UH, TO THE STORIES WITH FOUR STORIES, IF THEY NEED TO GO BEYOND THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A REQUEST MADE TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. THERE ISN'T A REQUIREMENT ON I DZ ONE OR I D Z TWO SITE PLANS TO INCORPORATE THE NUMBER OF STORIES. IT CAN BE DONE, BUT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. IT, IT, IT IS REQUIRED TO BE STATED AS PART OF IDZ THREE. OKAY, PERFECT. OKAY, THAT'S HELPFUL. UM, AND THEN TO THE APPLICANT, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR, I, I DIDN'T NOTICE, UM, WHERE YOU HAD ANYWHERE LISTED KIND OF THE, THE PLANNED HEIGHTS OR KIND OF THE, I I, I SAW THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT COULD YOU TELL US MORE OR LESS WHAT YOUR PLANNING AS FAR AS HEIGHTS SIZE AND THEN ALSO, UM, APPROXIMATE COST OF THESE UNITS? SURE. UM, I, I, I DON'T HAVE FIGURES ON COST. UM, THE HEIGHT THAT HAS BEEN, UM, CONSIDERED JUST THREE AND A HALF STORIES, UM, THAT WOULD PUT US, UM, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY IN THE 40 FOOT RANGE. UM, OF COURSE RESPECTING THE, THE NECESSARY SETBACKS FROM, FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS. OKAY, PERFECT. AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE DENSITY OBVIOUSLY. UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY, UM, YOU GUYS HAVE [00:25:01] NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE SEVEN, SEVEN UNITS WORK? YES. UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY THE LAST SLIDE IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION, WHICH I DIDN'T SPEAK TO. BUT, UM, THE DEVELOPER HAS PERFORMED A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF, OF THE SEVEN AND THE NINE UNITS. UM, AND BASICALLY THE, THE, THE INTERNAL RATE OF RETURN, WHICH IS A MEASURE OF, UM, THE, THE IN THE PROFITABILITY OF A PROJECT, UM, BASICALLY DOESN'T MAKE, UM, SO IT, IT'S SEVEN UNITS. THERE'S NOT A PROJECT, UM, IT, IT DOESN'T WORK AT, AT NINE UNITS. THERE IS. UM, AND I KNOW THAT HE'S ALSO, UM, BEEN GOING THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND, AND DIFFERENT FACTORS IN THE MARKET OF LATE AND WE ALL ARE, ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR THAT CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE UP QUITE A BIT LATELY BECAUSE OF PANDEMIC AND SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. SO A LOT OF THAT IS STILL BEING SORTED OUT, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR IN, UM, THE NUMBER OF UNITS. OKAY. AND WOULD THERE BE, UM, A POTENTIAL TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO EIGHT? I BELIEVE SO, YES. I THINK THAT EIGHT IS A VIABLE NUMBER. OKAY, THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR EITHER THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UH, JUST QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE. UM, ACCORDING TO YOUR SITE PLAN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR FOOTPRINT AND, AND YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IS YOUR FOOTPRINT THE SIZE OF THE UNITS? UH, CORRECT. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN THERE, EACH INDIVIDUAL GRAY BOX IS THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE UNIT ITSELF. AND SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS GREATER, UM, BY THAT FACTOR OF THREE TO THREE AND A HALF. OKAY. SO ARE THESE TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH UNITS, WHAT ARE THESE UNITS LIKELY TO BE? MORE ON THE RANGE OF THREE AND THREE, UM, WITH TWO CAR GARAGES. OKAY. AND FROM THE SITE PLAN, I CAN'T SEE ANY KIND OF OVERFLOW PARKING. IS THERE GONNA BE SOMETHING IN THAT AREA THAT I'M JUST NOT SEEING? UH, THERE IS NO OVERFLOW PARKING ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. WITH THOSE TWO VERY BUSY STREETS THERE, I'M NOT SEEING A PLACE FOR, YOU KNOW, DELIVERIES, WHAT HAVE YOU TO THESE UNITS. SO THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN TO ME. UM, IF YOU TOOK OUT THE ONE UNIT, THEN THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME LEEWAY TO ALLOW FOR THAT. AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, GETTING BACK TO THE COST, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST OF WHAT THESE UNITS MIGHT BE RUNNING FOR BASED ON YOUR, UM, PROJECT REVIEW AND, AND WHAT MAKES THIS A WORTHY PROJECT? WHAT, WHAT DOESN'T? UM, I, I CAN SAY THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS NOT PROVIDED THAT TO ME. UH, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, LEMME LOOK AT THIS. NO, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. UM, I EXPECT IT TO BE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE MARKET, UM, WHICH IS, HAS BEEN IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE 400 TO $550,000 RANGE OF WHAT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROME MIDDLE. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UH, SO IF THIS WERE I D Z ONE, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE LIMITED TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND SEVEN IS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD FIT WITH I D Z ONE? CORRECT. OKAY. SO EIGHT GOES OVER THE LINE TO TWO? YES. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, HOW OLD, WHEN WAS THE MIDTOWN REGIONAL CENTER PLAN ADOPTED? UH, MIDTOWN WAS JUST ADOPTED IN 2019. MAY OF 2019. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER OMAL. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YEAH, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, WHEN AND DID THE PRESENTATION HAD, UH, UH, MULTIPLE SLIDES. THE LAST ONE, WHICH HAD A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE, UH, NINE UNITS AND THE SEVEN UNITS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AGAIN, IF YOU CAN PROJECT THAT STAFF CAN. I'M SORRY, SIR, IT WAS HARD TO UNDERSTAND. YOU CAN, WAS THERE, [00:30:02] CAN WE GET THE LAST SLIDE FROM THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION PLEASE? GOT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, . ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE BACK TO YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION, UM, AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION FOR APPROVAL, UM, OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE, UM, FOR, UM, I D Z TWO WITH, UM, EIGHT UNITS. AND, UM, THE REASON THAT, THAT I, THAT I'VE KIND OF COME DOWN ON THIS IS BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS, THERE IS A CONCERN WITH THE, UM, WITH THE DENSITY BY REDUCING THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO EIGHT. UM, IT, IT ALLOWS THE PROJECT TO GO FORWARD AND ALLOWS DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN ALONG THE CORRIDOR. THAT IS GENERALLY IN LINE WITH WHAT THE PLAN HAS CALLED FOR. UM, WE'RE INCREASING THE UNITS BY ONE AND WE'RE AT A, UH, A DENSITY OF 20 UNITS AN ACRE BY GOING TO EIGHT UNITS HERE. AND AS YOU SAW EARLIER, THE PROJECTS ACROSS THE STREET ARE AT, UM, I BELIEVE 16 AND 18 UNITS AN ACRE. SO FOR ME, THIS IS, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A DOWN ZONING. WE'RE GOING FROM THE C TWO THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE ALSO NEXT DOOR TO AN MF 33, UM, TO MF 33 LOTS THAT, UM, THAT COULD GO UP TO 45 FEET. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SIMILAR TYPE OF, UH, OF HEIGHT AND MORE DENSE PROPERTIES NEXT DOOR. AND THERE IS THE C TWO THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF I BELIEVE OGDEN AND COURTLAND IS, UM, CURRENTLY IN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT APPEARS TO HAVE ABOUT 24 UNITS ON THAT. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS OUT OF LINE WITH, UM, WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE NOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ACCORDING TO THE LAND USE PLAN. UM, I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER'S WILLINGNESS TO WORK TO REDUCE, TO GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN HAS BEEN THUS FAR. UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION TO DESIGN, UM, WITH ORIENTATING THE UNITS TOWARDS COURTLAND AND MCCULLOUGH RESPECTIVELY OF THOSE UNITS. UM, AND I, AND I, I, WELL, I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S CONCERN WITH RESPECT TO NOT AMENDING A PLAN THAT WAS SO NEWLY PASSED. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS, UH, NUMBER ONE IN, IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY FROM A PUBLIC POLICY STANDPOINT. THIS AREA IS, UM, A, A BIG MIXTURE OF INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENTS, I BELIEVE ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT ACROSS MCCULLOUGH IS A TIRE SHOP. THERE'S A C THREE ZONING ON THE CORNER, JUST UP THE BLOCK THERE IS A GAS STATION. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE IN A HOMOGENOUS ZONE. UM, AND ALSO WE ARE ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT IN THE MIDTOWN AREA, WHICH IS A GOAL OF THE PLAN TO INCREASE THE HOUSING STOCK, UM, AND INCREMENTALLY INCREASE THE DENSITY. SO, UM, FOR THOSE REASONS, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S MY THE REASONS FOR MY MOTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UM, QUICK POINT OF INFORMATION TO STAFF BEFORE WE ASK FOR A SECOND. UM, GIVEN THAT THIS IS I D Z TWO AND THE SITE PLAN CURRENTLY CONSISTS OF NINE UNITS, IS THIS MOTION PROPERLY BROUGHT FOR AN ALTERNATIVE APPROVAL LIMITED TO EIGHT UNITS, OR DO WE NEED A SITE PLAN? THE RECOMMENDATION, THE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION AS MOTION MADE, UH, BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UH, IS APPROPRIATE AND THE SITE PLAN CAN MOVE FORWARD. HOWEVER, UM, WE WOULD NEED ONE FOR MR. LOUDON TO, UH, STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT HE DOES AGREE WITH THE AMENDMENT AND TWO, INFORM HIM THAT PRIOR TO GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, THE SITE PLAN WILL NEED TO BE AMENDMENT AMENDED TO THE EIGHT UNITS. OKAY. SO, UH, MR. LOUDON, [00:35:01] I PRESUME YOU HEARD ALL OF THAT. YOU HAVE HEARD I DID INDEED. UH, COMM COMMISSIONER, GREAT HOUSE'S ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR EIGHT UNITS. UH, DO YOU WANT TO FORMALLY AMEND YOUR REQUEST TO THAT? UH, I DO. I I WISH TO FORMALLY AMEND OUR REQUEST TO THE EIGHT UNITS AND FURTHER UNDERSTAND THAT WE WILL NEED TO, UH, PRESENT AN AMENDED SITE PLAN REFLECTING, UM, THE, UH, APPROVED MOTION, UM, PRIOR TO THE, THE ITEM GOING TO CITY COUNCIL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. LOUDON. UH, ALRIGHT. CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR IS A MOTION, UH, ALTERNATE, UM, A MOTION FOR ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF IDZ TWO FOR EIGHT UNITS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCDANIEL. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR THERE'S AN ALTERNATE MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. IT'S BEEN SECONDED. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. DR. JAN, POINT OF POINT OF ORDER. YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, WE HAD, WE HAD QUESTIONS. WE DIDN'T HAVE DISCUSSION AFTER THAT MOTION. OH, I AM SO SORRY. YES, THE SECOND TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION, SO, OKAY. THE, THE FIRST, UH, WAS ON A CONSENT AGENDA AND SO, UH, BUT I DO APOLOGIZE THAT I JUMPED THE GUN AGAIN TODAY. UM, COMMISSIONERS ANY DISCUSSION OF THIS ITEM? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I GUESS YOUR BLOOD IS WARMER THAN MINE SINCE I DID FREEZE. UM, TO, I DID HAVE A QUESTION THEN TO THE APPLICANT IF WE CAN ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE WE MADE A CHANGE IN THE SITE PLAN. IS THAT POSSIBLE IN THIS AS INSTANCE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE ASK A QUESTION, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT NOW. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU TO MR. LOUDON. YOU ARE GOING TO AMEND FROM NINE UNITS TO EIGHT UNITS. AND YOU DID BRING UP A AN INTERESTING POINT WITH THE RISE, WE'RE GONNA SEE A RISE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS. UM, HOW SOON DO YOU PLAN TO BUILD THIS, THAT THAT WON'T AFFECT YOUR COSTS AND, AND BE TOO MUCH OF A HARDSHIP TO GO FROM AN EIGHT TO NINE UNIT? I WOULD'VE APPROVED A NINE UNIT. UH, YES MA'AM. UH, THE, THE INTENT IS TO GET THIS ON THE GROUND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, WE DON'T SEE ANY, ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS GOING FORWARD. OKAY. I DON'T EITHER AT THAT TIME. YOU'RE GONNA GO THAT FAST. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. SORRY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER ROME. THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, I, I'LL SUPPORT THIS. I I DIDN'T WANT TO, BUT I AM DEFINITELY CONVINCED BY THE COMMISSIONER'S, UH, REASONABLE ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF THIS. I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING. UM, I KNOW WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PLAN, BUT, UH, DOING SOMETHING THAT, UH, GOES ALONG WITH CHANGING THE PLAN SO QUICKLY, UH, AND REALLY AGAINST WHAT STAFF HAD IN MIND FOR THIS. AND I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT UNLESS PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECORD, THIS WONDERFUL REASONABLE EXPLANATION, UH, THAT WE GOT FROM COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAS SORT OF LOST THE HISTORY. AND SO THE NEXT TIME, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COMMISSION LOOKS AT THIS, IT'S LIKE, OH, WELL THEY, THEY MADE THAT CHANGE BEFORE, SO THEY MUST HAVE BEEN FINE. UM, SO I JUST, I JUST HATE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL LOST. UM, BUT, BUT I WILL SUPPORT THIS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER O'NEAL. UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, NOW SEEING NONE AND HEARING NONE, UH, THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED FOR COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ROLL CALL VOTE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER CAYMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI. AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. PROAM GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SIFE? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES AS AMENDED TO ID Z TWO FOR EIGHT UNIT BY A VOTE OF 11 TO ZERO. THANK YOU STAFF. UH, MOVING ON TO OUR [3. 21-1970 Discussion of Zoning Commission Meeting Schedule and Format as a result of Inclement Weather the week of February 15, 2021. ] NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF ZONING, COMMISSION MEETING, SCHEDULE AND FORMAT AS A RESULT OF INCLEMENT WEATHER THE WEEK OF FEBRUARY 15TH, 2021. UH, STAFF IF YOU WANNA [00:40:01] PRESENT, I'D APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. CHAIR. YES. THIS IS JUST A SPREADSHEET THAT WE REVIEWED WITH YOU PRIOR, UM, TO THIS MEETING TO LET YOU KNOW OUR STEPS MOVING FORWARD. AS YOU KNOW, AND WE ALL KNOW, EVERYONE WAS AFFECTED MOSTLY ADVERSELY BY THE WINTER BLAST THAT CAME THROUGH THE WEEK OF FEBRUARY THE 15TH. AND SO IN ORDER TO STILL MEET NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, OUR STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, WE HAD TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. THAT IS WHY YOUR AGENDA TODAY WAS SO LIMITED. THERE WERE ONLY TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THOSE ITEMS WERE CONTINUED ITEMS AND DID NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL NOTIFICATION OR PUBLICATION. HOWEVER, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE FEBRUARY 15TH AGENDA HAD TO, UH, BE RE-NOTICE AND REPUBLISHED FOR THE DATE OF MARCH THE 16TH. AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BE SENDING THOSE NOTICES OUT THIS WEEK. UM, THE LIST THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN ARE THE CASES THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO MOVE FORWARD. WE ARE FINDING OUT AS WE GO THAT SOMETIMES SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE READY TO PROCEED. I THINK WHEN WE LAST DISCUSSED THIS WITH YOU CHAIR, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS NOT POSTPONED, BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN NOTICE FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THAT ONE. SO WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP IT AT A REASONABLE AMOUNT. YOU HAVE ALL TYPICALLY REVIEWED ANYWHERE FROM 18 TO 25 CASES PER AGENDA AND ALSO BECAUSE WE ARE LIMITED CAPACITY, WE DIDN'T GET TO SAY A, A FAREWELL TO MERCEDES RIVA, BUT SHE MOVED TO COLORADO FOR, FOR BIGGER AND BRIGHTER THINGS. AND SO WE WISH HER THE BEST. BUT AS A RESULT WE HAVE LIMITED CAPACITY FOR ALL OF THE OTHER PLANNERS, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW JUST MICHAEL LORIANNE AND JUSTIN. SO, UH, WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING THOSE POSITIONS STAFFED, BUT UNTIL THEN WE ARE GONNA WORK ON A LIMITED CASE SCHEDULE, INFORMING THE APPLICANTS OF COURSE THAT IF DATES AND THEN WE WILL WHERE POSSIBLE, UM, TRY TO HELP THEM IF A CASE NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD TO COUNSEL SOONER THAN WHAT IS PROPOSED. UH, BUT THAT WILL BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SO MICHAEL, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT TAB. SO YOUR NEXT MEETING IS APPROXIMATELY 23 CASES AND THEN, UH, FOR APRIL THE SIXTH, WE'RE PROPOSING ABOUT 18 CASES. AND SO THAT'S THE LIST SO FAR THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT ONE. BUT IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE JUST AS UH, THE THREE 16 LIST HAS CHANGED. AND THEN FINALLY THE LAST DATE WE HAVE SO FAR AND SHOULD HAVE US CAUGHT UP WITH WITH OUR CYCLE IS THE FOUR 20 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE ABOUT 14 CASES ON THAT NOW. IT WILL DEPEND ON WHATEVER IS CONTINUED FROM OF COURSE, THE THREE 16 MEETING AND THE FOUR SIX MEETING. UH, SO ALL OF THOSE WE UNDERSTAND ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE BY MAYBE A COUPLE OF ITEMS, BUT WE FEEL THAT THIS IS MANAGEABLE FOR ALL INVOLVED. AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT OUR PLANS WERE MOVING FORWARD AND SEE IF ANYONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, SO COMMISSIONERS ARE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING SORT OF THIS RESHUFFLING OF OUR UPCOMING CASES IN LIGHT OF, UM, THE INCLEMENT WEATHER AND UH, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NOTICE AND OR RE-NOTICE CERTAIN CASES? UM, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT, OBVIOUSLY THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, UH, MUST BE MET. AND SO GIVEN SORT OF THE TIMING OF THE WEATHER, THAT'S WHY WE HAD SUCH A SHORT AGENDA TODAY WITH THESE TWO ITEMS. UH, WE WERE NOT, THE STAFF WAS NOT ABLE TO GET OUT THE NOTICES ON TIME ON THAT FRIDAY BEFORE THE, BEFORE THE WEATHER CAME IN. AND SO WE JUST NOW NEED TO MAKE IT UP, UM, IN LIGHT OF THE ONLY THREE, UH, STAFF MEMBERS AVAILABLE TO WORK THROUGH THESE CASES, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH STAFF. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO SORT OF CATCH UP WITHOUT OVERWHELMING EITHER THE STAFF OR OURSELVES, UH, IN THE FUTURE THREE MEETINGS. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE ENDED UP HERE. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? [00:45:08] UH, YES. COMMISSIONER ROME. THANK YOU. UM, I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO KNOW FOR THE NEXT MEETING, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID THAT ONE ABOUT, UH, SENT A MESSAGE ABOUT, UM, MAKE SURE THAT PLAN ON STAYING UNTIL SIX O'CLOCK AT LEAST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE NUMBER OF CASES, UH, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING A LOT OF CONTROVERSIAL CASES? UM, AND, AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE HEADS UP AHEAD OF TIME IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LONG MEETING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU COULD DIG A LITTLE DEEPER 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, GOING TO 10 O'CLOCK AGAIN JUST THAT JUST DIDN'T WORK FOR ANYBODY. UM, AND THEN JUST A RELATED QUESTION. I KNOW THIS SOUNDS TERRIBLE, BUT ARE WE STILL GETTING OUR STIPENDS? 'CAUSE UM, EVER SINCE WE WENT OFF ONLINE WITH THE MEETINGS, I, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MINE ANYMORE. AND IF THAT'S THE POLICY THAT'S FINE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I AM SO GLAD SOMEONE HAD THE COURAGE TO ASK THAT BECAUSE I DID NOT, UM, I AGREE , BUT, UH, ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S, LET'S TAKE THE, THE FIRST QUESTION. IN TURN, UM, STAFF, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT SORT OF GIVEN YOUR EXPERIENCE, UH, AND AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE CASELOAD THAT'S COMING UP? FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE MARCH 16TH MEETING, UH, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY CASES THAT YOU ANTICIPATE WILL TAKE A, A GREATER THAN AVERAGE AMOUNT OF TIME OR AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF TIME? THERE IS NOT ONE PER SE, UH, THAT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN THE OTHER. WE GENERALLY, WHEN WE SCHEDULE THESE MEETINGS, WE'LL SCHEDULE FROM 1230 TO SIX AND WE DO THAT ON OUR MEETING INVITE EVERY TIME. THAT'S KIND OF JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT AS FAR AS THE CONTENTS OF THE CASES THAT ARE, THAT'S MOVING FORWARD THIS NEXT CYCLE, YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT THERE ARE THREE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION CASES. SO THOSE I KNOW TEND TO REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION AND, AND PRESENTATION OF COURSE BY O H P. SO MAYBE THOSE MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING PER SE THAT WE'RE, UH, SEEING AS HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL AT THE MOMENT. BUT IF SOMETHING DOES COME THROUGH, WE'LL BE SURE TO LET YOU KNOW. UM, WELL STAFF THEN, LET'S TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THOSE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION CASES. UM, ARE ANY OF THEM RELATED TO EACH OTHER, IF YOU KNOW? NO, UH, THEY ALL SEEM TO BE INDEPENDENT OF ONE ANOTHER AND I CAN'T RECALL AT THE MOMENT WHETHER THEY'RE OWNER INITIATED THROUGH O H P OR IF, UH, IF THE OWNER IS IN OPPOSITION. SO THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR SURE. YEAH, THAT AND THAT, THAT, THANK YOU FOR ANTICIPATING MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. ALRIGHT, NOW TO THE MONEY . SURE, NO PROBLEM. UH, ACTUALLY I JUST SIGNED A, A LARGE BATCH OF THOSE, SO YOU'LL BE SEEING, UH, THOSE COME THROUGH HOPEFULLY IN NEXT WEEK OR TWO. I, I THINK WE WERE JUST BEHIND SCHEDULE AS FAR AS OF COURSE WITH THE WINTER BLAST, BUT EVEN BEYOND THAT, UH, STAFF HAVING A TELECOMMUTE SCHEDULE, BEING IN OFFICE, BEING OUT OFFICE, UH, SO THOSE, THOSE GREENIES THAT WE GET SIGNED AND STUFF, UH, DIDN'T GET TO OUR DESK AS QUICKLY AS THEY NORMALLY DO. SO WE HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE AND SO YOU SHOULD START SEEING THOSE ON A REGULAR BASIS NOW. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH COMMISSIONER ROMERO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I DON'T THINK THIS REQUIRES ANY OFFICIAL ACTION STAFF. DO YOU AGREE CHAIR? SORRY, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I JUST SAW YOU, I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. UM, CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, GIVEN THAT ATTENDANCE IS VERY CRITICAL FOR THESE NEXT FEW MEETINGS, WE DO HAVE SPRING BREAK IN FRONT OF US AND I KNOW MANY OF US WOULD STILL LIKE TO THAW OUT WITH SOME BEAUTIFUL SUMMER WEATHER AND UH, OCEAN WAVES CRASHING IN, BUT MAYBE WE MIGHT WANNA ASK OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO BE SURE THAT WE WILL BE HERE IF NOT TO, UH, TO GIVE US EARLY ENOUGH NOTICE THAT WE CAN BE SURE WE SAW THE QUORUM. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. UH, I ENDED UP EXTENDING MY VACATION BY A DAY. I APPARENTLY DID NOT GET ENOUGH OF THE WINTER BLAST, BUT I WILL BE, UH, IN COLORADO, UH, CHAIRING THE MEETING. SO, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF, UH, REMOTE MEETING, UH, LET'S TRY TO TAKE [00:50:01] ADVANTAGE OF IT. BUT IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND, UH, ANY OF THESE UPCOMING MEETINGS, PLEASE LET US KNOW AT YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO ADDRESS AND REJIGGER ANY, UH, SCHEDULING OR AGENDAS, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE YOU. BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN DO IT REMOTELY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE BEST. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. UH, SO STAFF, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING, UH, AT THIS POINT. THERE'S NO NEED FOR A MOTION. AGREED. THERE'S NO NEED FOR A MOTION OR ACTION. YOU'RE GOOD. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, THE FINAL [4. 21-1867 Consideration and Approval of the February 2, 2021 Zoning Commission meeting Minutes. ] ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS THE APPROVAL OF CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE FEBRUARY 2ND, 2021 ZONING. COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES. ANY COMMISSIONER HAVE AN AMENDMENT OR CHANGE TO THE MINUTES FOR THE FEBRUARY 2ND, 2021 MEETING? ANY FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF THOSE MINUTES? SEEING NONE. IS THERE A MOTION? UH, MOTION TO APPROVE. COMMISSIONER SIPES. RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND HOUSE SECOND. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. STAFF ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. MR. ? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI. DR. DORO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. MR. WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SITES? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. A MOTION PASSES 11 TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU ALL COMMISSIONERS FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK. UH, I KNOW THAT TODAY WAS A SHORT MEETING, BUT YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY GIVEN, UH, THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT REGARDING NOTICE AND, UM, OTHER ISSUES, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT HAD TO BE TODAY. BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND, UH, I'LL SEE YOU ALL ON MARCH 16TH. THE TIME IS 1 49 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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