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UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, UH, THANK EVERYBODY FOR, UH, ATTENDING.
UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, CLAYTON AND MANNY ARE HEARING AND ABLE TO SPEAK.
CAN YOU TEST AGAIN FOR US, PLEASE? SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING.
JUST QUITE MANNY, MANNY, MANNY.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK, SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT, SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
ALRIGHT, LET'S GET STARTED WITH OUR, UH, SECOND HERE.
I WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE HAVE HAVE SPANISH TRANSLATOR.
IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT, BEN? OKAY.
THIS MEETING, WE NOT, NOT, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO, NOT TO GET THAT SET FOR THE FIRST MEETING, AND WE SHOULD HAVE IT FROM NOW ON.
THE SECOND THING ON THE ANNOUNCEMENT, I'VE, I'VE THE MAYOR, MAYOR, UNDER GOOD MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL.
WE'VE BEEN, BEEN, UH, REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY A GOOD PROCESS TO SET UP A VICE, AND THAT'S GONNA BE ED, RICE, RICE.
AND SO IF SOMETHING AVAILABLE OR WORSE, BE MORE THAN CAPABLE OF TAKING OVER, UM, THE FOCUS, WE WANNA FOCUS ON THREE THINGS.
TODAY WE'VE LOOKED ATT INTO ABOUT THREE FOCUS, FOCUS GROUPS.
UH, WE, WE WANT, UM, TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, SETTING THE SETTING, THE LOOKING AND REVIEWING.
WE TOOK ALL THE QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED FROM EVERYONE.
AND I WANNA THANK, UH, COUNCIL COURAGE FOR ALSO SENDING SOME IN AND THE QUESTIONS.
WE SEPARATE EM INTO THE DURING AND AFTER DISCUSSED TIME, DISCUSS POSTED ON THE, UH, SHAREPOINT.
ON THE SHAREPOINT BE, SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT.
ALSO POSTED ON THE SHAREPOINT QUESTION, WHEN, WHEN DID THE LOOK IN? SOON AS WE, SOON AS WE FINISH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING THE PROCESS OF Y'ALL, EACH ONE OF THE MEMBERS, WE INDIVIDUALS CS SAW IN.
SO THE FIRST, UH, FIRST SHOT AT THAT, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF PRACTICE ON IT.
I PUT UP SOME QUESTIONS ON C P, WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS AND DISCUSS THEM AND, UH, HAVE COMMENTS ON 'EM TO THEM.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL BE TURNED OVER TO BEN FOR BEN TO WORK WITH THE FOLKS AT, UH, CCPS NEXT WEEK.
UH, IF, UH, THE, THE OTHER TWO GROUPS, UH, THAT ARE FOCUSING ON, UH, COSA AND IN THE EMERGENCY, UH, UH, RAN CENTER.
RAN CENTER, AND THE GROUP THAT'S FOCUSING ON SOLVES, IF YOU COULD KIND OF GET YOUR PRELIMINARY QUESTIONS READY.
WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THOSE NEXT WEEK SO WE CAN GET THOSE TURNED BACK OVER TO THE STAFF AND, UH, THEY CAN DO, UH, DO THEIR WORK WITH THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SO, UH, LET'S, UM, IF WE COULD, UH, REMEMBER, UH, I, I'D SAID WE'VE KIND OF SPLIT INTO FOCUS GROUPS.
SO FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, WE'VE GOT ONE ON C P S AND, UM, ANNA, AND I'LL TAKE THAT.
WE'VE GOT, UM, UH, CLAYTON AND, AND MANNY ON SAS.
WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT ED, LISA AND, UH, ANDREA ON, ON CSA AND E O C.
UH, LET'S, UH, LET'S SEE IF WE COULD PUT ON THE SCREEN SOMEWHERE, UH, THE BEFORE OR AFTER, UH, SLIDE IF, UH, SHE CAN GET THAT UP.
PUT THE, UH, PUT THE, UH, THE FILE UP ON THE, UH, BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER.
YEAH, I GETTING A MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE, THE, THE LIGHT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? I DON'T KNOW.
I GOT THE RED LIGHT ON
SO ANYWAY, I THINK I'M SPEAKING ENOUGH ANYWAY.
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DO I HAVE TO DO THAT OVER? Y'ALL DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT AGAIN, DO YOU? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL JUST GO FORWARD.MS. HEAR? THEY CAN HEAR YOU NOW, BUT THEY CAN ALSO HEAR PERRY, SO YOU MIGHT WANNA HELP.
UM, MANNY AND Y'ALL AND CLAY, IF Y'ALL WOULD MUTE, APPARENTLY THERE'S GETTING SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT, WHERE Y'ALL ARE.
WHAT, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO NOW? I'M LOST.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? DO, UM, ARE, ARE YOU ABLE TO DISCUSS NOT HAVING THE DUCK UP? OH, WELL, LET'S SKIP THAT.
UH, CAN YOU BRING ANOTHER DOCUMENT UP OR ARE THEY ALL KIND OF DELAYED? I NEED, I NEED ABOUT THREE MINUTES ON THE DOCK.
UM, WELL, WELL, LET'S JUST WAIT SINCE WE NEED TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS.
WELL, IF WE HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, I'LL GO BACK OVER THAT IN CASE OTHER PEOPLE COULDN'T, COULDN'T, UH, HEAR ME EARLIER.
UM, WE'RE CREATING THREE, UM, THREE FOCUS GROUPS.
UH, THE FIRST FOCUS GROUP IS, UM, UH, WITH, UH, THE CITY.
AND THAT'S GOT, UM, THAT'S GOT ED, LISA AND ANDREA, UH, FOCUSING ON THE CITY AND THE EMERGENCY, UH, RESPONSE CENTER OR CONTROL CENTER.
THE OTHER GROUP IS
AND THEN, UH, ANNA AND I ARE FOCUSING ON C P S, UH, AS I SAID, IN CASE THEY COULDN'T HEAR ME.
WE HAVE A SPANISH TRANSLATOR AVAILABLE.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HOW WE SPLIT THE QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT, AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW INTO THE BUCKETS AGREED TO EARLIER, WHICH WAS BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER.
WE'RE THEN GOING TO LOOK AT, UM, A TEMPERATURE, UM, UH, CHART AND, UH, SO THAT WE CAN ALL KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHEN, UH, THE EVENT STARTED.
AND THEN WE'LL, UH, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE C P S QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT EVERYBODY DISCUSS.
SO I'M GONNA KIND OF SIGN OFF SO WE'RE READY TO GO.
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OKAY, WE'RE BACK READY.UH, SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
UH, AS WE MOVE AROUND FROM PLACE TO PLACE, WE'RE, UH, MOVING ALL THIS, UH, ELECTRONICS, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE IS A CHALLENGE, AND I WANNA ACTUALLY APPRECIATE AND THANK THE, UH, THE GROUP FOR DOING THAT.
SO NOW THAT'S THE, UH, LET'S GET THE REPORT.
BEFORE WE GET TO THAT ONE, LET'S CLOSE THAT ONE DOWN AND LET'S GET TO THE, UH, GET WHERE WE, THE PERSON RIGHT THERE BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER.
WHAT, WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE, AND I'D LIKE FOR EACH ONE OF YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER THIS NOW, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TRIED TO PUT EVERYONE'S QUESTIONS BY WHO ASKED 'EM IN THESE THREE BUCKETS.
THIS WAS QUITE HELPFUL ACTUALLY FOR ME BECAUSE AS I WENT THROUGH THIS, WE WERE ABLE TO ASK THE QUESTION, UM, WHO WOULD I ASK THIS QUESTION TO? AND THAT'S HOW WE ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH THE THREE AREAS TO FOCUS ON, AND NOT AREAS, BUT ACTUALLY ENTITIES THAT WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION TO.
AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS, UH, THAT IN SOME CASES THOSE WERE JUST COMMENTS.
THOSE WERE NOT QUESTIONS, AND WE KIND OF HAD TO SORT THROUGH THOSE.
THERE'S SOME CASES IN HERE WHERE PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS AND THEN HAVE A QUESTION.
AND I'VE TRIED TO LEAVE THOSE IN.
AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, THERE IT IS A ROUGH DOCUMENT.
THERE'S SOME, I JUST CUT AND PASTE.
SO THERE'S MAY BE SOME MISSPELLINGS, BUT PLEASE OVERLOOK THAT THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT WAS, I THINK, VERY HELPFUL.
AND IT WILL BE A, A LIVING DOCUMENT AS WE RECEIVE QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND IF YOU'LL SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UH, ON THIS DOCUMENT, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE GO THROUGH, JUST KEEP GOING.
WE'LL GO THROUGH EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS BY WHO ASKED 'EM, AND, AND IN THE THREE BUCKETS.
AND THEN IF YOU GET TO THE END, IT WASN'T PLANNED THIS WAY.
AND CERTAINLY NO ONE SHOULD TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT.
BUT THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT THE CITY HAD COLLECTED DURING THE EVENT FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE SEE THIS SECTION CONTINUING TO GROW, AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT BECAUSE AS EACH GROUP PIVOTS THIS AND LOOKS AT IT BY ORGANIZATION, WE ASK THE QUESTION TO, WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WHAT QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED, PARTICULARLY, UH, AS IT GROWS FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS OR DISCUSSIONS OR ANYONE WOULD WANNA GO AROUND THE ROOM AND TALK ABOUT THIS? OKAY.
THEN LET'S BRING THIS, LET'S BRING THIS ONE DOWN AND GET TO THE MAIN, UH, UH, WORK THAT WE WANT TO DO TODAY.
UH, DOES THIS HAVE THE UPDATED STUFF FROM YOU ON IT? UH, COUNSEL, UM, I'LL PUT IT IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
OKAY, LET'S BRING THIS ONE DOWN.
WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE COMING IN.
WE'VE WORKED ON IT KIND ON REAL TIME.
LET'S GIVE IT A, LET'S GIVE IT A, LET'S OLD.
NO, DIDN'T, NO, IT DIDN'T WORK YET.
REMEMBER, REMEMBER FOLKS, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A'S, NOT A SCRIPTED SESSION.
ALEX, I CAN SEE IT ON MY SCREEN.
ALL THE, YOU STILL HAVE DOCUMENT
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DOESN'T SHOW MODIFIED.I THINK WE GOT, OKAY, WE GOT IT.
CAN WE BLOW THAT UP? CAN WE BLOW THAT UP ANY BIGGER? THERE'S GOT SOME BAD EYES.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS AND, UH, THAT WE WANNA DISCUSS.
AND AS, AS OUR PROTOCOL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TURN QUESTIONS OVER TO BEN UNTIL IT PHASE WITH THESE.
SO WHILE THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE TEDIOUS, TEDIOUS, LET'S, UH, LET'S TRY TO GET THROUGH IT.
AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE, AND IF YOU'LL SEE, THEY KIND OF BREAK INTO FIVE AREAS.
IT'S PREPARATION, OPERATION OF GENERATION, DISTRIBUTION, POWER, AND MARKET PERFORMANCE AND COMMUNICATIONS.
OKAY? SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, THOSE ARE WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE TO.
NOW, I COULD HAVE SPLIT THOSE WITH HEADINGS OF THOSE, BUT I FIGURED IT WAS BETTER JUST TO FOCUS ON THE QUESTION.
IF THE QUESTION'S NOT RIGHT, THEN THE INTENT'S NOT GONNA BE RIGHT.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT WE WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE PREPARATION AND, AND HOW WAS IT DONE? WAS IT APPROPRIATE? HOW DID THE GENERATION OPERATE? WHERE DID IT HAPPEN TO OPERATE AS WE EXPECTED? WHERE DID IT NOT OPERATE AS EXPECTED? UH, WE'LL SPEND SOME TIME ON THE DISTRIBUTION SIDE OF THIS, WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME IN FROM THE PUBLIC WAY.
UH, THE CLASSIC QUESTION WE GOT MANY, MANY TIMES IS, I GOT FIVE MINUTES OF POWER AND TWO HOURS OF ADDED OUTAGE.
I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING HERE WILL GO TO THAT MARKET PERFORMANCE.
THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A BIG ISSUE THAT GOES EVEN BEYOND C P S TO THE WHOLE MARKET.
UH, THESE, THE ERCOT AND, AND THE, AND THE MARKET OUT THERE FOR, FOR NATURAL GAS AS WELL AS FOR FOR ENERGY.
AND THEN OF COURSE, COMMUNICATIONS.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, AGAIN, UH, I, WE DIDN'T PUT THIS UP.
I WENT THROUGH AND PULLED SOME TEMPERATURE DATA AND I DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT WOULD BE TO PUT THAT UP, ALEX, IS THAT GONNA BE HARD TO DO REAL QUICK? UH, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THIS.
HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION ON THIS TEMPERATURE THING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WHILE THAT'S LOADING SURE.
I, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF AFTER WE GET ANSWERS TO THIS INITIAL SET OF QUESTIONS FOR US TO DEVELOP A CHRONOLOGY, UH, SORT OF INTEGRATED CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS AS THEY OCCURRED, EACH ONE OF THESE THREE MADE ACROSS TO YOUR POINT TEMPERATURE.
SO AS THE TEMPERATURE SORT OF GOT WORSE AND STAYED WORSE, WE CAN SORT OF SEE HOW INTEGRATED SYSTEM FUNCTIONS.
AND THEN THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT POINT.
AND CHRIS, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE OUTLINE ON, ON ONE OF THESE, WHICH WAS THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS.
IT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED AND EACH ONE NEEDS TO BE ADDED INTO IT.
BUT, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO WE JUST PULLED THESE TEMPERATURES AGAIN.
I KNOW WE GOT ROOM ON THE SCREEN.
SO THE, YOU'VE GOT THE DAY, THE DAY, THE DATE, AND THEN WE'VE GOT LOW HIGH TEMPERATURE, AND THEN THE, UH, ACTUAL AVERAGE.
NOW THAT ACTUAL AVERAGE IS NOT HIGH LOW.
I JUST PULLED THAT OFF A WEBSITE.
AND AGAIN, THIS PEOPLE COULD FIND THAT THIS MIGHT BE WRONG AND WE'LL, WE'LL STAND CORRECTED IF WE DO, BUT, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO, AS ED SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO DEFINE THE PERIOD OF THE EVENT, WHAT'S BEFORE, WHAT'S DURING, WHAT'S AFTER.
AND CLEARLY THE YELLOW WHERE YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THE LOW TEMPS, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ABOVE
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FREEZING, UH, IN, IN THE QUESTIONS I'M ASKING, I KIND OF SEE, UH, THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M ASKING FOR THE, DURING THE EVENT, KIND OF RUN FROM THE NINTH TO THE 19TH.AND I DO THAT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK OVER ON THE RIGHT COLUMN, WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE A DIFFERENCE TO THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE.
AND OF COURSE, THE GREEN LEADS INTO THE YELLOW, AND THE YELLOW LEADS INTO THE BLUE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE WERE REALLY HAVING THE MOST SEVERE CHANGES IN PROBLEMS, IT'S CLEARLY IN THE BLUE, BUT THE GREEN AND THE YELLOW, UH, WAS STARTING TO SHOW US WHERE THE BLUE WAS GONNA SHOW UP.
AND, UH, SO IF EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, IF YOU HAVE YOUR, IF YOU HAVE BETTER SOURCES AND YOU WANT TO CORRECT IT, THEN OBVIOUSLY, UH, DO THAT.
BUT THAT WILL WORK INTO EXACTLY WHAT ED'S SAYING HERE.
AND THERE IS ONE ON THE SHAREPOINT WHERE WE'VE STARTED DOING A, AND I THINK YOU STARTED DOING THAT, ANA, WAS THAT YOU THAT STARTED THAT THE, THE SCENARIO, THE SCHEDULING, YEAH.
AND SO WE'LL JUST KIND OF ADD ON TO THAT AND EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THAT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ONE COMMENT.
I I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO START AND THANKS FOR COLLECTING THIS, THIS INFORMATION.
UH, ANOTHER POTENTIAL WAY TO THEN REFINE IT FURTHER IS THE, THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO OPERATE, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THIS RANGE, RIGHT? SO ON THE 11TH, FOR EXAMPLE, IT, IT MAY HAVE OPERATED NORMALLY.
AND SO I THINK AS WE GET INTO THIS AND START TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE BREAKDOWN OCCURRED, THAT'S WHERE WE MAY DECIDE THAT'S, THAT'S THE START OF THE EVENT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
VERSUS, VERSUS THE TEMPERATURE.
AND, AND I, I WAS SPEAKING WITH ED ON THE PHONE EARLIER, UH, TALKING, YOU KNOW, GETTING HIS AGREEMENT TO SERVE AS VICE CHAIR, AND THIS IS A DYNAMIC EVENT.
THINGS ARE HAPPENING INSIDE THIS EVENT TO CHANGE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE
SO AS OPPOSED TO A STATIC EVENT WHERE YOU, UH, HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU KIND OF EXPECT AND YOU CAN PUT A A A BOX AROUND, THERE WAS CHANGE INSIDE THE CHANGE.
AND AS WE MADE CHANGES THAT CREATED MORE CHANGES.
NOW, IF WE COULD, UH, ALEX PUT THE, UH, THE QUESTIONS ON C P S UP SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UM, UH, WE, THE QUESTION THAT, AND, AND CHRIS, I ADDED THIS PRIOR TO THE, TO THE NINTH, WHERE THE CUSTOMERS GROUPED INTO THREE CIRCUIT TYPES.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S GONNA COME UP IN THE DISTRIBUTION PART.
SO THAT'S A QUESTION THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKED.
THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY, WHOOPS, THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY GROUPED.
IT'S DID THE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY WERE IN AND HOW TO RESPOND DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF CIRCUIT YOU'RE IN.
NOW THE DEMAND PREDICTIONS, UH, ARE A QUESTION.
SO IS THERE ANY QUESTION ON THAT OR COMMENTS? WE'LL JUST KIND OF TAKE THESE ONE AT A TIME.
YEAH, I FEEL LIKE I'M SORT OF ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT I THINK MAYBE A, A A ONE B WOULD BE, UH, WERE CUSTOMERS MADE AWARE OF THE GROUP THAT THEY WERE IN.
AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL BECOME APPARENT A LITTLE BIT MORE DOWN.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE, THESE SHOULD BE, AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL GROUP THESE INTO PREPARATION, OPERATION GENERATION, DISTRIBUTION OF POWER MARKET PERFORMANCE COMMUNICATION.
THE REASON I HAVEN'T IS BECAUSE THIS RELATES TO PREPARATION AND IT ALSO RELATES TO RESPONSIVE DEMAND MANAGEMENT.
SO IT KIND OF RELATES IN TWO PLACES.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE CONSIDERED CRITICAL LOAD AND, AND THE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS, RIGHT? AND SO WE MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IF THEY'RE IN THIS AREA, THEN THEY WILL NOT BE INTERRUPTED.
ONE OF THOSE AREAS, AS I UNDERSTAND IS, UM, FIRE, UH, STATIONS.
AND I HAVE A CONCERN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO RAISE IT, BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS TRYING TO CONNECT INTO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, I WANTED TO GO TO ONE OF THE FIRE STATIONS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ELECTRICITY AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BACKUP GENERATOR.
OKAY? SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE QUESTION CAN BE, DID EVERYBODY WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON A CRITICAL, UM, LOAD, RIGHT? UM, CIRCUIT WERE, WERE, DID THEY HAVE ACCESS, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION? WERE THEY REALLY ON A CRITICAL, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA RELATE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHAT THE, THE FOCUS GROUP ON THE COMMAND CENTER IS TOO, BECAUSE IF, IF THAT'S PART OF THE GROUP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO RESPOND AND THEY CAN'T RESPOND, 'CAUSE THEY, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED THERE TOO.
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ANYTHING ON CLAYTON OR MANNY? OKAY.UM, YOU HAVE A, A SIMILAR QUESTION OR THAT WE COULD GROUP WITH THIS IN NUMBER 17 BELOW, GEOGRAPHICALLY DELINEATE EACH CIRCUIT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GROUP IT HERE AT THIS TIME, OR WAIT UNTIL WE, I THINK THAT COMES IN THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT SIDE.
SO THE NUMBER TWO, WHAT DEMAND PREDICTIONS WAS, UM, C P SS E OPERATING UNDER, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S C P, WHO'S THAT? UH, C P S.
THE, UM, UH, THAT'S YOUR QUESTION.
UH, ANA, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THAT ONE? SURE.
UH, THE, THE QUESTION IS WHAT SORT OF DEMAND DID THEY EXPECT DID C P SS ENERGY EXPECT FROM ITS CUSTOMERS IN THE DAYS, UH, OF THE WINTER STORM AS WE KNEW THE WINTER STORM WAS APPROACHING? OKAY, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UH, THAT GOES TO EXPECTATIONS AND PREPARATION.
UH, LINE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PROCEDURES.
I GUESS, UM, UH, YOU MADE SOME CHANGES ON THAT.
THESE, UH, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, REID AND I CAME UP WITH OUR QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE ALL IN ONE DOCUMENT.
SO WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING REAL TIME ON THIS.
SO I, I SLAPPED MINE IN AT THE TOP, REED AND I PUSHED YOURS DOWN TO THE BOTTOM.
OKAY, SO YOURS ARE, THAT'S FINE.
ARE STILL THERE? I DID NOT DELETE THEM.
SO, UH, AND NUMBER THREE, UH, SIMILARLY, WHAT GENERATION PREDICTIONS WAS C P S ENERGY OPERATING UNDER IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO FEBRUARY 9TH, AS YOU IDENTIFIED FEBRUARY 9TH AS OUR START DATE? UM, WHEN DID THESE CHANGE AND WHAT ACTIONS WERE TAKEN WHEN THESE PREDICTIONS WERE, WERE MODIFIED? SO IN OTHER WORDS, HOW MUCH WAS ANTICIPATED TO COME IN FROM THE DIFFERENT GENERATING SOURCES THAT C P SS ENERGY HAD? GREAT.
UM, NUMBER STARTING AT NUMBER FOUR, I, UH, I USE THE, THE APPROACH THAT MS. TATUM DESCRIBED, WHICH WAS REPLICATION.
SO I HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS, UH, FOR DIFFERENT AREAS OF, OF OPERATION.
SO LINE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM PROCEDURES ON OR BEFORE FEBRUARY 9TH, WHAT PROCEDURES DID C P S ENERGY HAVE IN PLACE FOR POWER LINES OR LOCAL DISTRIBUTION INFRASTRUCTURE IN ADVANCE OF COLD WEATHER EVENTS? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT'S THAT PROTOCOL RIGHT WHEN YOU KNOW SOME IT'S GOING TO BE COLD? UM, AND THAT COULD BE, UH, WINTERIZATION OR OTHER PROCEDURES THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.
I ALSO ASKED WHAT PROCEDURES DO THEY HAVE IN PLACE DURING A COLD WEATHER EVENT? LIKE ONCE THE, THE EVENT IS OCCURRING, WHAT ARE THOSE PROCEDURES? UM, QUESTION C I TOOK FROM GENERAL RICE IS HOW DID YOU ACTUALLY EXECUTE AND PERFORM? UH, AND I ALSO ADDED MS. TATUM'S QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OR CONDITIONS THAT MAY HAVE, UH, AFFECTED OR LIMITED HOW THOSE PROCEDURES WERE EXECUTED? AND THEN D IS, WELL, WAS THERE ANYTHING BEYOND, UH, THE PROCEDURES THAT WERE IMP THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED, UH, DURING FEBRUARY 9TH TO, TO THE 19TH? SO IN OTHER WORDS, DID THEY HAVE TO GO BEYOND THOSE PROCEDURES? AND HOW DID THEY DO SO? SO THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS I ASK FOR.
UH, I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE ASK FOR THE LINES FOR THE PLANTS, AND IF YOU KEEP SCROLLING DOWN, THEY HEAR, THEY CAN'T HEAR NO MAN, AND PERRY CAN'T HEAR.
CAN THEY SEE THE DOCUMENT? CAN YOU SEE THE DOCUMENT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHARE THE DOCUMENT WITH HIM IS WHAT CAUSED US TO LOOK GOOD.
WELL, THEY COULD, IF THEY HAVE THEIR COMPUTERS, THEY CAN PUT IT UP ON THE SHAREPOINT, CAN'T THEY? YES.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT NOW.
SO YOU COULD PULL IT UP ON YOUR SHAREPOINT IF YOU HAVE YOUR COMPUTER.
OKAY, LET ME KNOW WHEN I SHOULD CONTINUE READING.
THE SAME QUESTION FOR DEMAND RESPONSE AND OF, OF COURSE, BY DEMAND RESPONSE, WE MEAN, HOW DO YOU TEMPER THE, THE DEMAND THAT, UH, THAT THE CUSTOMERS HAVE OF THE, OF THE SYSTEM IN ADVANCE OF THE STORM BEGINNING, DURING THE STORM OCCURRING, HOW IT WAS EXECUTED, AND, UH, WERE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL MEASURES TAKEN? THEN WE JUMP INTO COMMUNICATIONS WITH CUSTOMERS AND OR CLASSES OF CUSTOMERS.
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WHAT PROCEDURES WERE IN PLACE FOR COMMUNICATING WITH THEM? HOW WERE THOSE EXECUTED? WERE ADDITIONAL, UM, MEASURES TAKEN TO COMMUNICATE? I SEPARATED THIS FROM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS COMMUNICATIONS WITH MEDIA OUTLETS OR PUBLIC AT LARGE.UH, AND, AND THE REASON IS NUMBER SEVEN REALLY HAS TO DO WITH DIRECT COMMUNICATION TO THE CUSTOMER.
SO WHETHER IT'S THROUGH A TEXT MESSAGE, THROUGH, UH, AN EMAIL OR A ROBOCALL, WHEREAS NUMBER EIGHT IS THINGS THAT THEY MAY WANT THEIR CUSTOMERS TO KNOW, BUT THEY PUT THAT OUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
UH, NUMBER 10, OH, SORRY, NUMBER NINE IS, UH, WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UM, THAT COULD ALSO BE, IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN TO NUMBER NINE, COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
IF ANYONE HAS COMMENTS ON THIS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, TO JUMP IN.
UH, I WOULD SAY I SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED WITH THE E O C AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO I, I'LL SAY SAN ANTONIO SLASH EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
AND THEN NUMBER 10 IS WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, UH, OR OTHER KEY STAKEHOLDERS THAT I'M, I MAY NOT HAVE IDENTIFIED, UH, DIRECTLY.
AND THEN AFTER THAT IS THE LOAD SHED PROCESS AND THE TIMELINE FOR THAT.
AND SINCE WE WERE KIND OF DEVELOPING THESE IN REAL TIME, UH, TO SOME EXTENT, MY QUESTIONS WILL BE REPETITIVE OF, OF S UH, AND WE, WE WILL, UH, WORK TO GET THESE PULLED TOGETHER BEFORE WE GET 'EM TO BEND.
UM, AGAIN, NUMBER 12, WHICH IS JUST THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS DEMANDED, WHAT WINTERIZATION WAS, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, UH, INITIATED TO PROTECT THE PLANTS.
AGAIN, THE OUTPUT CAPACITY OF THE GENERATION UNITS.
AND WE HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT THE POWER PURCHASE SOURCES.
UM, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION AS, AS ANNAA SAID, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OF HOW MUCH YOU NEED.
THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OF HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA GET, AND YOU CAN'T LIVE, LEAVE THE, UH, PURCHASE POWER SOURCES OUT.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE TO PERFORM BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY, ACTUALLY INDIRECTLY OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR PRODUCTION FACILITIES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CHARACTERIZED AS A PURCHASE OF POWER, THEY'RE REALLY NOT.
UM, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ARE MORE DATA ORIENTED, UH, TYPE QUESTIONS IN THAT, WHAT I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THERE IS I'D EXPECT TO SEE EACH GENERATION UNIT AND THE, AND THE MEGAWATTS THAT THEY PRODUCE, UH, EACH DAY, OKAY? BECAUSE IT IS A DAY EVENT AS, AS, AS ED JUST POINTED OUT, THAT, THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE, HOW WE GEOGRAPHICALLY DELINEATED EACH, UM, CIRCUIT AND DEFINE THE CIRCUITS BY, BY CRITICAL LOW FREQUENCY AND, UM, AND, AND, UH, AND INTERRUPTIBLE.
NOW LET ME, WE'RE LEARNING ON THIS, AND THERE'S FOLKS ON THE LINE HERE THAT KNOW A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO.
BUT WHAT I'M LEARNING IS, IS THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN CIRCUITS THAT ARE CRITICAL CIRCUITS THAT THEY TRY TO KEEP ON ALL THE TIME.
WE HAVE THESE LOW FREQUENCY OR LOWER FREQUENCY CIRCUITS.
THOSE ARE C P S DOESN'T TOUCH THOSE, THOSE ARE CIRCUITS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED BY, UM, BY ERCOT AND BY THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL REGULATORY, WHATEVER THAT'S CALLED GROUP.
THOSE CIRCUITS ARE THE FAIL SAFE.
AS I'VE, I'VE BEEN TOLD, AND I COULD GET CORRECTED ON THIS, IF, IF IT GETS BELOW ABOUT 59 3, THOSE CIRCUITS TRIP, THERE'S NOT A BUTTON SOMEBODY PUSHES.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE INTO THE CIRCUITS.
THEY'RE WIRED INTO THE CIRCUITS.
AND THAT HAPPENS IN MILLISECONDS.
THOSE ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR C P SS TO TOUCH.
THOSE ARE CIRCUITS THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ALWAYS ON.
AND THEN THAT LEAVES US WITH INTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUITS.
NOW, AS WE'VE TALKED BEFORE, SAN ANTONIO'S LIVED KIND OF A CHARMED LIFE.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF FOREST FIRES.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF MUDSLIDES, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF FLOODS, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF HURRICANES.
WE'RE NOT NO EARTHQUAKES TO SPEAK OF MAYBE ONE OR TWO SMALL ONES.
AND, UM, AND, AND NO, WE'RE NOT IN TORNADO ALLEY.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD TO MANAGE DEMAND AND YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF EXCESS CAPACITY, YOU'RE GONNA ALWAYS RELY ON YOUR EXCESS CAPACITY TO MAKE UP FOR ANY DEMAND PROBLEMS. AND TO ANNA'S POINT, WAS THIS EXPECTATION QUITE A BIT MORE? OR WAS IT UNDER E
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UNDER EX? WAS THE EXPECTATIONS UNDERESTIMATED? AND SO WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'D NEED THIS DEMAND MANAGEMENT, THAT'S ALL STUFF WE CAN LEARN.BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET THIS INFORMATION, BUT WE NEED TO ASK FOR IT.
AND THAT IS, IF A PERSON GOES AND PUTS THEIR ADDRESS IN, THEY SHOULD HAVE, HAVE, HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF CIRCUIT THEY'RE ON.
A ALL THESE FOLKS THAT SAID I NEVER LOST POWER, MIGHT THINK THEY'RE ON A CRITICAL CIRCUIT.
THEY MIGHT BE ON ONE OF THESE LOW FREQUENCY CIRCUITS THAT C P S CAN'T TOUCH, BUT THAT MEANS THAT YOU MIGHT BE TRIPPED, OKAY? WITH NO NOTICE, OKAY? BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS TO THE SYSTEM, SYSTEM TRIPS.
OKAY? SO I THINK THOSE ARE, THAT'S A DISTINCTION WE REALLY NEED TO, TO, TO UNDERSTAND AND THAT I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE HOURS FOR EACH CIRCUIT THAT WAS ENERGIZED DURING THIS PROCESS.
WE CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT I'M GETTING TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WAS THE NORTH SIDE LEFT ON WITH POWER AND THE SOUTH SIDE NOT OKAY.
OR WAS THE WEST SIDE OR EAST SIDE OR NORTH SIDE FAVORED, BY THE WAY, THESE CIRCUITS ARE SET UP.
GOTTA ASK, GOTTA ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
AND WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET PEOPLE SATISFIED WITH THE FAIRNESS OF THIS.
SO THEN, UM, THE NEXT ONE WE'VE GOT, SO WE GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT WAS ENERGIZED.
THEN WE GET INTO SOME PRETTY TRICKY QUESTIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE ECONOMICS OF EVERYBODY'S POCKETBOOK AROUND THIS CITY.
AND THAT IS, WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THE SELLER PRICE, VOLUME, AND DELIVERY POINT FOR THESE SPOT MARKET PURCHASES ARE.
OKAY? WHO DO WE BUY 'EM FROM? WHAT DO WE PAY? AND IN, IN THAT RESPECT, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SPOT MARKETS THEY WERE WORKING OFF OF.
AND UNLESS YOU SUBSCRIBE TO THESE SERVICES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW THAT.
SO WE NEED TO KNOW THE SPOT MARKETING, THESE DEALS WERE MADE OFF OF.
WE NEED THE DAY AHEAD PRICING, UH, FOR THE SPOT MARKETS.
AND THEN WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT VOLUMES WERE DELIVERED ON CONTRACT, WHAT VOLUMES WERE DELIVERED ON SPOT, WHAT VOLUMES WEREN'T DELIVERED ON YOUR CONTRACT.
ALRIGHT? THEN THE NEXT THING WE KINDA RUN INTO HERE, AND WE'LL, WE'LL CLEAN THESE UP AND GET 'EM MORE SUCCINCT, IS, UM, WE, WE NOW MOVE INTO THE P E C ERCOT AREA.
OKAY? NOW THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG ISSUE, AND I, I SAW A PRESS RELEASE BUT DIDN'T GET TO READ IT ALL THAT BEN GAVE ME JUST BEFORE WE STARTED THAT APPARENTLY C P S HAS SERVED SUIT.
DID THEY SERVE SUIT? P E C OR ERCOT OR BOTH? OR WHAT, WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHO THE SUIT WAS.
SO THE, THE POINT IS, IS THAT THERE'S A BUNCH OF LAWSUITS FLYING AROUND.
AND, AND THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG ISSUE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WE HAVE KIND OF A BLENDED MARKET HERE WHERE WE'VE GOT FREE MARKET FOLKS.
AND WHEN WE'VE GOT MUNICIPAL UTILITIES LIKE OURSELVES IN THE SAME MARKETPLACE, WHICH CAUSES A PROBLEM WHEN YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESS MODELS WORKING IN THE SAME GAME, IT'S KINDA LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON A FIELD, SOME OF 'EM GOT A FOOTBALL AND SOME OF 'EM GOT A SOCCER BALL, THEIR FIELD LOOKS THE SAME, THEY'RE PLAYING A DIFFERENT GAME.
SO WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT ACTUALLY WAS HAPPENING.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ATTENTION PAID ALL OVER THE PRESS TO THE FACT THAT THE, THAT POTOMAC, THE ECONOMIC REGULATOR SAID THAT THAT $9,000 PER MEGAWATT HOUR WAS KEPT ON TOO LONG.
AND, YOU KNOW, I QUESTIONED WHY DID THEY EVEN MOVE IT ARTIFICIALLY INSTEAD OF LETTING THE MARKET WORK, IF WE'RE IN A FREE MARKET WORLD, WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST LEAVE IT ALONE? THEY'RE NOT, IN MY MIND MARKET MAKERS, THEY'RE MARKET CLEARERS.
AND WHEN THEY, UH, MADE A DECISION TO DRIVE THIS UP TO $9,000, I CLEARLY BELIEVE THAT JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN MARKETS AND TRADING OVER THE YEARS, THEY SENT A PRICE SIGNAL TO THE GAS FOLKS THAT, UM, YOU CAN CHARGE A WHOLE LOT FOR YOUR GAS IF YOU COULD GET TO THAT ERCOT MARKET.
I HAVEN'T DONE THE NUMBERS, THERE'S SMARTER PEOPLE OF ME CAN DO THE NUMBERS, BUT YOU USE THE SEVEN HEAT RATE, THAT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND $2,700 IN MM.
NOW, NOT EVERYBODY COULD GET TO THAT MARKET, OKAY? IT'S CLEARLY THEY COULDN'T ALL GET TO THAT MARKET BECAUSE WE HAD MARKETS TO SERVE BEFORE WE COULD GET TO THAT MARKET, WE HAD TO SERVE OUR OWN MARKET FIRST, RIGHT? AND OUR OWN MARKET IS SET BY THE RATES THAT THE COUNCIL SET.
SO WE'RE NOT MOVING TO THAT 9,000.
BUT WE WERE AFFECTED BY A, BY A DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY A GOVERNMENT ENTITY THAT AFFECTED THAT MARKET THAT WE THEN GOT, GOT HIT WITH.
AND I THINK THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY, THEN NO QUESTIONS.
OKAY, THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PAYMENTS.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE A, A LONG RANGE THING BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE NOT MADE PAYMENTS TO ERCOT.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE MADE PAYMENTS TO ERCOT.
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UH, SAY THEY WILL, BUT MAYBE CAN'T BECAUSE THEY'VE TAKEN BANKRUPTCY LIKE BRAS.SO WE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, FROM A C P S STANDPOINT, WHAT DID WE DELIVER? WHAT DID WE RECEIVE? IT'S OBVIOUSLY BASED ON, ON, ON VOLUME, BUT IF WE DID ALL THIS DURING THE PERIOD, WAS IT ALL BASED ON 9,000? AND THEN THIS, THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF ANCILLARY SERVICES, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YET.
UH, MAYBE SOMEBODY AROUND HERE ON THIS CALL THAT IN OUR GROUP DOES UNDERSTAND IT, BUT WE WILL UNDERSTAND IT BETTER BECAUSE, UH, WHAT I'M SEEING REPORTED IN THE PRESS, THE ANCILLARY SERVICES WENT UP AS HIGH AS $24,000 A MEGAWATT HOUR, WHICH IS IN THE BRAES LAWSUIT.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF OUR QUESTIONS.
I, AT THIS POINT, I'D REALLY LIKE TO THROW IT OUT TO THE GROUP, GO AROUND THE HORN, GET SOME FEEDBACK NOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH 'EM.
AND IF WE COULD, I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE FOLKS ON ONLINE.
SO CLAYTON, WOULD YOU START AND THEN FOLLOWED BY MANNY? YEAH, SIR, YOU BROUGHT UP A LOT.
YOU MAKE THIS VERY CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, IF I CAN UNDERSTAND IT, ANYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
SO SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOWER LEVEL, AT LEAST FOR ME, UM, ON WHAT REALLY HAPPENED WITH ALL THIS PRICING.
I, I, I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S ON A, IT'S ON A HIGHER LEVEL THAN I CAN UNDERSTAND.
OTHER COMMENTS? OTHER COMMENTS? NOW WE LOST YOU.
YEAH, I, I CAN HEAR YOU JUST FOLLOW, GO AHEAD.
FINE, BECAUSE I SOMEHOW, I'M NOT COMING THROUGH.
CLAYTON DIDN'T PAY HIS CRICKET BILL.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID HE SAY? DIDN'T HE DIDN'T PAY HIS BILLS?
I'M SITTING IN A PARKING LOT TO DO A, A PRESENTATION.
BUT, UM, YEAH, AGAIN, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT DOWN TO AN UNDERSTAND AND SO THAT THE CUSTOMERS CAN UNDERSTAND.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAT I DON'T, I DON'T QUITE GET IT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS HIGHER LEVEL IS ABOUT, ABOUT THE PRICING AND THE, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT ERCOT, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UH, I NEED, I NEED TO BRING OR HELP TO BRING THIS DOWN TO WHERE I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THESE TECHNICAL ISSUES ON THE PRICING.
ARE YOU FINISHED? ARE YOU FINISHED? ARE YOU, ARE YOU, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU NOW.
MAYBE TRY, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON TO CALL US BACK.
AFTER THE MEETING, GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK AND I'LL GET IT DOWN.
AND WE'RE JUST INTERMITTENT ON YOUR AUDIO, ON YOUR AUDIO, UH, OVER TO MANNY.
AND, UM, I'VE, I'VE WARNED CLAYTON IN THE PAST NOT TO USE HIS PALM PILOT TO CALL US, UH, FOR THESE MEETINGS.
UH, UH, THE, UM, I I HAVE A, UH, I, I AGREE WITH CLAYTON A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THIS ONE.
I, I'VE TALKED TO, UM, MY CONSTITUENTS AND THERE'S, THERE'S CONSENSUS, UM, IN THAT THERE ARE SO MANY MOVING PARTS HERE THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO THE PLAYERS ARE, RIGHT? AND SO IF
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I GO OUT TO SAN ANTONIO AND ASK PEOPLE, WHAT IS ERCOT? THERE'S, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE COME ACROSS 10 PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT ERCOT IS, WHAT IT DOES, WHY IT EXISTS, AND WHAT ITS RELATIONSHIP IS TO OUR UTILITIES.UM, IF I ASK FOLKS, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW DOES ENERGY GET FROM, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER IT'S GENERATED INTO THE GRID, AND THEN FROM THE GRID INTO YOUR HOUSE? MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
UM, THEY THINK THEY KNOW, UH, AND THAT'S OKAY.
UH, BUT, UH, THEY, THEY DON'T.
AND I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO START FROM A ELECTRICITY, YOU KNOW, GENERATION GRID, DELIVERY 1 0 1 POINT OF VIEW, UM, WHILE WE ALSO ANSWER SOME OF THESE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AND GET TO THE HIGHER LEVEL, UM, STUFF THAT, THAT, THAT REID WAS TALKING ABOUT JUST NOW.
BECAUSE, UM, IF, IF WE'RE TALKING TO FOLKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND DOLLARS, $1,600 PER MEGAWATT, YOU KNOW, CHARGED BY THIS ENTITY TO US, PEOPLE DON'T GET IT.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO, UM, BRING EVERYBODY UP TO THE SAME PAGE SO THAT WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING.
BECAUSE IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, UM, THAT BASIC UNDERSTANDING, THEN PEOPLE ARE LEFT TO, UH, CREATE THEIR OWN, UM, THEIR OWN EXPLANATIONS.
AND OFTENTIMES THOSE EXPLANATIONS ARE INCORRECT.
AND, UM, SO I THINK I'M BEATING A DEAD HORSE HERE, REID, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO ALSO PUMP OUT A GLOSSARY OF TERMS, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND WE NEED TO ALSO PUMP OUT A, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS ON THE MOST BASIC OF LEVELS, UM, SO THAT FOLKS, YOU KNOW, SO THE FOLKS ARE, ARE RIGHT ALONG WITH US AS WE'RE DISCUSSING SOME OF THIS TECHNICAL STUFF.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL STOP THERE AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LET Y'ALL CHEW ON THAT.
NEXT, WE'LL GO THROUGH AND DISCUSS THESE, EACH ONE AFTER WE'VE BEEN AROUND IT.
OKAY? UM, ANDREA, THINK YOU, REED AND I, I WANNA AGREE WITH, UH, WITH, UH, PERRY AND, AND MANNY.
AND THE REASON THAT, UH, THAT I, I BELIEVE SO IS IF WE THINK ABOUT THE GRADE LEVEL THAT, THAT THINGS ARE WRITTEN AT, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE NEWSPAPER, IT'S AT A THIRD GRADE READING LEVEL, WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF FOLKS WANT TO GET INVOLVED.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD, UM, TRY TO EXPLAIN ANY AS EASY AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS FLOW CHART, RIGHT? OR SOMETHING VISUAL.
AND SO, UM, I DO HOPE THAT WE CAN PUT THAT OUT AS PART OF THE, THE PUBLIC PROCESS.
UM, THERE, THERE'S SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
AND, AND AGAIN, UM, I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE COMING IN, IN FROM THIS.
I, UH, THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M GONNA ASK ARE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, WELL, UM, WHO ULTIMATELY MAKES THE, UH, DECISIONS FOR EACH OF THESE AREAS, RIGHT? SO IN THE SHED FOR THE PRICING.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW THAT ACROSS AN ORGANIZATION, THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
THE BIG CONCERN THOUGH IS, IS IF C P S A MUNICIPALLY OWNED, LIKE WHAT PART OF THAT DOES THE CITY THEN COME IN? SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, UH, SOME OF THE, THE, THE LOGISTICS THERE OR, OR THE, UM, REPORTING STRUCTURES.
THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING IS, IS BECAUSE, UH, SO, SO C P S ENERGY HAS, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UM, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, RIGHT? THAT REPRESENT QUADRANTS.
AND SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M GETTING ASKED AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE FLAG THESE IN, RIGHT? I WAS REALLY RESPONSIBLE WHEN I'M OUT IN COMMUNITY, SAY, OH, THE CITY CAME OUT HERE, THE, AS THE CITY CAME OUT HERE AND DID THIS.
AND SO WE COMBINED THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WITH CCPS ENERGY.
AND SO I DO THINK THAT THAT IS, UM, AND, AND, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD JUST BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT AND, AND PUT OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND.
I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT BASIC LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING.
I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, LISA.
I'M AGREEMENT WITH THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ASKED, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE OPERATION, UM, I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO BE THE TRANSLATORS IN THE COURSE OF THIS AND ASK THOSE VERY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN GET THE DATA AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED FROM THE ENTITY THAT THE ENTITY'S WILLING TO PROVIDE.
AND THEN WE THINK THAT INFORMATION AND THROW IT DOWN TO A MORE CONCRETE LEVEL OF MOST OF US UNDERSTAND IS WHAT'S THE PASS THROUGH COST TO MEET.
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I THINK WE CAN THINK CAN VERY EASILY THAT TRANSLATION IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT.UM, THOSE OF US SPEAK BTUS AND MEGAWATTS, THAT'S ONE THING.
UM, BUT I THINK WE CAN TRANSLATE THAT IMPACT VERY EASILY FOR FOLKS.
I, I THINK WE SHOULD INDEED TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WEBSITE AND, UM, WITH BEN'S TEAM AND THEIR HELP, WE CAN, IN MY MIND, EASILY PROVIDE A HOW TO, UM, A GLOSSARY WILL BE HELPFUL FOR THOSE WHO ARE MORE CURIOUS.
BUT I THINK IT REALLY WOULD HELP US IF WE COULD JUST EXPLAIN IN LAYMAN'S TERMS WHAT HAPPENED AND LET PEOPLE BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THAT AND REFER THEIR FRIENDS AND GET TO THAT RESOURCE AND THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO THAT.
UM, AS I AM REFLECTING ON QUESTIONS, AND ANNA, A YOUR BRAIN WAS STARTING TO WORK LIKE MINE DID ON THOSE REPLICATIONS.
UM, AND I THINK SOMETIMES THAT'S HOW WE GET TO THE LAYERS OF PIECES, BECAUSE IF WE LEAVE IT OUT, IT'S A LITTLE TOO MUCH OF A, OF A BITE THAN IF WE BREAK IT DOWN LIKE WE HAVE.
UM, I, I THINK TO, UM, A LOT OF WHAT ADRIANA IS ALSO ASKING ABOUT, WE WANNA MAKE SURE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'LL PACKAGE THIS, I'M SURE THAT WE WILL MAKE THAT EVOLVE.
ARE THOSE TURNING BACK TO THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT AFTER WE'VE ASKED THEM ABOUT POWER SOURCES AND CONTRACTS AND RESOURCES, THEN WHO ARE THOSE DECISION MAKERS? NOT NECESSARILY BY INDIVIDUAL, BUT BY ROLE AND BY WHAT? BY ROLE? ROLE, OKAY.
SO THOSE KEY POSITIONS, AS, AS I DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, IT MAY BE KEY DECISION MAKERS WHO WERE IN THE UPPER EXECUTIVE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEN IT'S THE GUY WHO FLIPS THE SWITCH OVER AT, YOU KNOW, POWER STATION NUMBER NINE.
AND THAT BECOMES THE KEY PERSONNEL PERSON.
UM, AND HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WITHIN THAT CONSTRUCT, AGAIN, WHAT IS IT THAT THE ENTITY HAS CONTROL OVER AND WHAT THE ENTITY DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT REALLY PLAYS INTO HELPING AND UNDERSTANDING AND AN EDUCATION FOR US AND FOR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.
UM, SO AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD LAYER THAT IN, BUT I THINK THAT TAKES US BACK TO, UM, THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE RESPONSE PIECE WHEN WE GET TO THAT LINE OF THE QUESTIONS WITHIN EACH SPECIFIC ENTITY THAT WE'RE ASKING.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UH, I, I THINK IN MY MIND, UM, ULTIMATELY WHAT, WHAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC WANT TO KNOW IT, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT BUILDING THE WATCH SO MUCH, THEY JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IS WE HAVE TO BUILD THE WATCH WITH THE MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN ULTIMATELY FIGURE OUT WHAT TIME IT IS.
SO I THINK AT SOME POINT, UM, AND WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THIS ALL ALONG AS HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO SORT OF TAKE ALL THESE PIECES AND PARTS AND, AND TELL A STORY THAT MAKES SENSE TO US AND THE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN SORT OF, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT TIME IT IS WITH RESPECT TO THIS EVENT.
TO THAT EXTENT, I THINK IN MY MIND, AGAIN, THIS IS SORT OF A SPIRAL PROCESS.
WE'LL, WE'LL ASK AN INITIAL SET OF QUESTIONS, BUT AS WE ASK THOSE, IT WILL GET MORE QUESTIONS.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK, UH, TWO, THREE, HOWEVER MANY TIMES TO THESE ENTITIES TO FILL IN THE DETAILS AS WE BUILD OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.
THIS IS A SYSTEM OF SYSTEMS, RIGHT? UH, AND SO EACH SYSTEM OPERATES INDEPENDENTLY, BUT IT'S ALSO DEPENDENT ON THE OTHER PARTS OF THE SYSTEM.
SO TO THAT END, UM, I THINK WE JUST ADDING, UH, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ALONG THE LINES THAT THEY'RE FRAMED.
NOW WE, WE'VE SORT OF GOT SOME QUESTIONS THAT GET TO THE INTERFACE BETWEEN C P S AND THE CITY.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT GET TO THAT INTERFACE BETWEEN C P S AND THE WATER SYSTEM, WHICH, WHICH THEY'RE THERE, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK WE CAN JUST ADD A QUESTION UNDER EACH ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
AGAIN, IN THE REPETITIVE, YOU KNOW, HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE, IS, WERE YOU DESIGNED TO INTERFACE RIGHT? WITH, WITH, WITH THE WATER SYSTEM, UM, SO WE CAN START TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.
UH, AND I THINK THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS, AGAIN, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT SORT OF RISK COMPONENT HERE.
PEOPLE MADE RISK DECISIONS OVER TIME, RIGHT? SO DIFFERENT SETS OF LEADERS MADE RISK DECISIONS, DIFFERENT SETS OF LEADERS ASSUMED RISK THAT WERE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE BY OTHERS.
IN MY EXPERIENCE, IN DEALING WITH THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ENTITIES THAT HAVE INTERDEPENDENCIES, YOU OFTENTIMES FIND THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASSUMED RISK FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE ASSUMING BECAUSE O OF MISCOMMUNICATION OR O OTHER REASONS.
AND, AND I THINK AT THE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE END OF THE DAY,
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WE AND THE PUBLIC SORT OF NEED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THE PUBLIC ASSUMED RISKWHAT, WHAT SORT OF RISKS DID PEOPLE ASSUME, DID OTHER PARTS OF THE SYSTEM THAT WERE DEPENDENT ON THEM, UH, UNDERSTAND THE RISK THAT THEY WERE ASSUMING IN A SECOND ORDER LEVEL? AND, AND WHAT SHOULD THE PUBLIC KNOW ABOUT THE RISK THAT THEY ASSUME WHEN THEY SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE THAT SAYS, I'M GONNA PAY FOR MY WATER, I'M GONNA PAY FOR MY POWER, UM, I'M GONNA PAY, YOU KNOW, MY TAXES TO THE CITY AND EXPECT IT TO PERFORM IN, IN A, IN A CERTAIN WAY.
SO I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT I THINK IN, IN ANOTHER SPIRAL AS WE START TO UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER, IT'S A QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK.
UH, NO, YOU'RE THE ONE DOING THESE QUESTIONS, BUT NOW THAT YOU'VE HEARD THIS, LET'S JUST LIKE ED'S SAYING LET'S SPIRAL DOWN ON THIS THING, UH, I AGREE.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK THAT, THAT EVERYBODY GAVE US.
I THINK, UM, STARTING WITH SOME, SOME BASIC EXPLANATIONS, SOMETIMES WE FORGET THAT, UM, WE'RE LEARNING AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION, UH, BUT WE'RE ALSO, UM, WE'RE ALSO RESPONSIBLE TO, TO THE PUBLIC TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY GET THAT, UH, INFORMATION.
SO I, I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH BEN'S TEAM ON THE, UM, ON THE BASIC UNDERSTANDING.
AND I, I DO BELIEVE IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BEGIN FILLING IN THAT TIMELINE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.
WELL, UH, I THINK, UH, IF YOU CAN JUST KEEP GOING AND PEOPLE JUST CAN KIND OF FEED IT TO YOU, OKAY.
I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE FORMAT SET UP AND IT'S MADE THE POINT AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WE NEED THAT TIMELINE AND FITTING THAT TEMPERATURE THING IN.
AND WE'LL BRING THAT UP IN JUST A MINUTE.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S WORTH SOME, IT'S COME UP HERE AND I THINK IT'S WORTH TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT AND, AND MAYBE WE MIGHT HAVE SOME IDEAS ON, ON HOW WE MODIFIED A LITTLE BIT FROM THE GROUP.
WHAT ELSE? UM, THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
AND I, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, UH, CLAYDEN, WE COULDN'T HEAR EVERYTHING YOU WERE SAYING, BUT, UH, UH, I GOT THE MESSAGE REAL CLEAR.
WE NEED TO GET A, WE NEED TO GET SOME STUFF ON THE, ON THE, UM, ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE THAT WILL HELP EDUCATE OUR FOLKS.
UH, AS, AS MANNY SAYS 1 0 1 KIND OF STUFF, I PROBABLY, WE CAN PROBABLY FIND THAT C P S HAS PROBABLY GOT THAT ALL WE GOTTA DO IS JUST REQUEST IT, UH, POST IT.
UH, AND, AND IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON IT, UH, THEY CAN CALL ONE OF US AND WHEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I REALLY NEED TO BACK UP ON BECAUSE, UM, MY BACKGROUND IS PRETTY MUCH TECHNICAL, SO IT, IT, IT TENDS TO, TO GO AND I NEED TO BE CAREFUL ON THAT.
UH, THE GLOSSARY TERMS IS GREAT.
UM, LET, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
UM, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT DECISIONS THAT THAT CAME UP.
UH, ANDREA MENTIONED THAT, LISA MENTIONED THAT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS GROUP IS, IS GONNA HAVE THE, WELL, I KNOW THIS GROUP DOESN'T HAVE MUCH AUTHORITY, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WE CAN ASK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE ORGANIZATIONS.
I WAS WARNED PRETTY EARLY THAT OUR QUESTIONS NEED TO BE, BE, BE PRETTY, UH, PRETTY STERILE IN THAT THIS HAPPENED AS OPPOSED TO WHO DONE IT KIND OF QUESTIONS.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME BE CAREFUL THERE AND WE'LL BE, WE'LL GET LED BY HOW WE SHOULD ASK THOSE QUESTIONS BY PEOPLE THAT ARE LAWYERS LIKE YOU, ELISE, AND YOU KNOW HOW TO ASK THEM, BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T.
UM, AND, AND THERE IS, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, IS THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO ASK THE QUESTION WITHOUT PUTTING PEOPLE IN A SPOT.
AND, AND SO WE'LL BE REAL CAREFUL ON THAT, AND WE WILL PROBABLY LEAN ON YOU AND MANNY FOR SOME LOOK, LOOK SEES ON THAT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT STEPPING OUTTA LINE AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE.
THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WATCHING US STEP.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH C P S, THE, UH, THE CITY, UH, THE CUSTOMERS, UH, WE DO NEED TO GET SOMETHING, UH, OUT ABOUT WHAT THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT IS AND THE FACT THAT, THAT WE ARE A MUNICIPAL UTILITY THAT HAS A CERTIFICATED AREA, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE REGULATOR.
C P S IS THE, IS THE MONOPOLY PROVIDER.
IT, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY COMMON CONCEPT UNDER UTILITY REGULATION.
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PROBABLY NEED TO PUT SOMETHING OUT ON THE WEBSITE AS TO WHOSE ROLE IS WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL.AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I NEVER FELT THAT THE, IT WAS THE RIGHT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE MANAGING OR THE BOARD, BECAUSE THAT WOULD PUT 'EM IN TWO, TWO PARTS OF THE, OF THE TRIANGLE.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T BE THE REGULATOR AND THE MANAGER
I MEAN, IT'S, IT, IT, IT VIOLATES THE PRINCIPLE OF, OF A REGULATED MONOPOLY.
SO, UH, WE NEED TO GET THAT KIND OF EXPLAINED AND, UH, AND TWO PEOPLE.
UM, WE'VE GOTTA GET THESE COSTS SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THEM.
THE, THE PROBLEM IS, QUITE OFTEN PEOPLE USE AVERAGES FOR THAT.
AND THOSE ARE A LITTLE DANGEROUS BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT THIS COULD COST THE AVERAGE PERSON, UH, X NUMBER OF DOLLARS.
WELL, AND THEN THEY GET THEIR BILL, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT WEALTHY, THEY FIGURE OUT THEY'RE NOT THE AVERAGE CONSUMER.
AND, UH, SO, UH, WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT A WAY OF, OF, OF DOING THAT SO THAT, UM, THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE BUT NOT GET PEOPLE MISINFORMED.
UM, THE TIMELINE, ED, IT'S GONNA BE HUGE.
I MEAN, PEOPLE THINK OVER TIME, THEY REMEMBER THE EXPERIENCE OVER TIME.
THEY REMEMBER WHEN THINGS HAPPEN TO 'EM OVER TIME.
SO WHEN WE FINISH THIS, I WANNA SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME ON BRINGING THAT UP AND, AND HAVING THE SAME KIND OF DISCUSSION, IF NOTHING ELSE, JUST TO GIVE US ALL SOME UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE OUGHT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.
UH, YOU BRING UP THE POINT ABOUT COMMUNICATION WITH SAS AND THE CITY.
I THINK THAT KIND OF SPIRALS BACK IS TO USE YOUR TERM TO, TO THE GROUP YOU'RE, YOU'RE LEADING, WHICH IS, THIS IS AN UNUSUAL EMERGENCY EVENT, AND WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE CITY AND, AND HOW DID THE CITY AND THE E O C COMMUNICATE WITH THESE UTILITIES AS WELL AS OTHERS, UH, SUCH AS VIA AND THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
I'VE HEARD A VERY GOOD, UM, SITUATION WHERE, UH, ERIC WAS ABLE TO GET WORK WITH TDOT AND THE CHIEF AND, AND SHUT DOWN SOME ROADS TO AVOID A PROBLEM THAT WE MIGHT'VE HAD, LIKE UP AROUND FORT WORTH.
UH, AND, AND OF COURSE, THE, THAT IS MINIMIZING RISK AND UNDERSTANDING WHO'S GONNA MANAGE EACH RISK AND NOT THINK SOMEBODY ELSE IS, OR ALL OF A SUDDEN,
SO RISK MANAGEMENT IS GONNA BE HUGE, AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO PROBABLY SPIRAL BACK TO THE E O C, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHO'S GOT WHAT RISK AND COMMUNICATING THAT RISK.
AND, AND SO IT'S A COMMAND PROBLEM AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN MOST.
UM, SO AT THAT, UH, WE'LL TAKE THAT, UH, ANNA AND I WILL WORK ON OUR QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GET 'EM TO BEN IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO, OR BY MONDAY OR TUESDAY.
AND THEN, UH, BEN CAN START WORKING WITH, UM, WITH PAUL AND, UH, THE FOLKS OVER THERE AT C P S TO GET THE QUESTIONS TO THEM, AND THAT'LL GET THAT OUTTA THE WAY.
SO I, IF WE COULD BRING UP THAT TIMELINE, UH, THAT'S ON THE, UH, SHAREPOINT.
UM, I THINK IT'S UNDER, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE WE PUT IT, JUST TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
WELL, THAT WASN'T VERY NICE OF, YEAH.
UH, IF YOU WOULD JUST TALK ABOUT, UM, HOW YOU SEE THIS WORKING, MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON IT, AND THEN WE'LL JUST GO AROUND THE TABLE.
IS THIS WHERE WE WOULD ALSO BRING IN, FOR
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INSTANCE, THE, THE SITUATION REPORTS, HOW ARE THEY GONNA PLAY? AND I KNOW THAT WE UP, SORRY, I KNOW WE UPLOADED THE SITUATION REPORTS INTO THE TIMELINE.ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE EVENT ITSELF OR ALSO THE COMMUNICATION AND RHONNA? I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH.
BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY COMMUNICATES SOMETHING AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME, IT'S GOTTA BECOME PART OF THIS.
SO YOUR, YOUR COLLECTION THAT, THAT WE PUT ON THERE, WHICH ARE VERY GOOD ON THE EVENT REPORTS, WILL TELL US WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET DONE AND WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT DONE.
SO I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, ADRIANA.
IT'S RIGHT ON THE, IT'S RIGHT ON THE POINT.
AND THAT WOULD, YOU'RE AS FAMILIAR WITH THOSE AS ANYBODY 'CAUSE YOU'VE READ 'EM AT LENGTH.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN ADD THAT ON THERE, AND I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOT DISTRICT SEVEN OFFICE ON THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO PUT ALL THE, WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF.
THAT WAS FOR HER, HER USE, OBVIOUSLY MY STAFF PUT THAT, AND IT STARTS ON THE, IT STARTS ON THE 10TH OF FEBRUARY.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS I WOULD MOVE IT BACK TO THE NINTH JUST BECAUSE IF THAT'S AVAILABLE, IF THAT'S, I GOT A PERSONAL INTEREST IN THAT TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED WEATHERIZING THE VINEYARD.
AND, UH, I COULD TELL BY BEING OUT THERE, THE WEATHER WAS CHANGING.
SO THE, AND THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE, UM, WE STARTED GETTING, UH, AND I I, AND I'LL, I'LL SAY I, I, IN MY CAPACITY AS COUNCIL, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AS RESIDENTS, RIGHT? TODAY EXACTLY.
BUT IN MY CAPACITY AS COUNSEL, I STARTED GETTING SITUATION REPORTS FRIDAY, FEBRUARY THE 12TH.
AND SO, UM, SO, SO THEN I, I DIDN'T SEE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING BEFORE THAT, RIGHT? SO, SO WE'LL, WE'LL ADD THAT AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOMETHING WAS MISSED OR SOMETHING.
BUT THEN MY SECOND PART, SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF ENTITIES ON HERE.
I I DON'T ASSUME THAT WE'D PUT EVERYTHING, DO WE JUST DOCUMENT AS SITUATION REPORT ONE WAS SENT OUT, OR NUMBER TWO WAS SENT OUT? BECAUSE WE HAVE LIKE THE RED CROSS ON HERE, REGION 20, SAHA, THERE'S A LOT.
NO, I THINK WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M, I'M OP I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
UH, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT PARTICULARLY FROM WHAT, WHAT YOU AND LISA AND ED ARE DOING, YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT MEANINGFUL TO YOU BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA CONNECT.
YOU'RE GONNA GET A NETWORK HERE, OKAY.
AND YOU'RE GONNA GET A DYNAMIC NETWORK.
SO IT'S, THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO THIS, THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO THIS.
BACK TO HIS POINT, IF THIS PERSON'S NOT TALKING TO THIS ONE, OR THIS PERSON MAKES A DECISION BEFORE THIS ONE HAS TALKED TO 'EM, THEN THEY'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THE DECISION.
THEY'RE JUST REPORTING A DECISION.
AND, AND, AND I'VE USED THE EXAMPLE WITH SEVERAL FOLKS I'VE TALKED TO, IF THEY'VE GOT SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING IN THE PLANT AHEAD OF WHAT I NEED DONE SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY THINK THEY'RE HELPING, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
OKAY, SO WE CAN DO THIS FIRST.
AND PUTTING THAT TIMELINE, WHAT'S GONNA BE VERY COMPLICATED, IS GONNA BE VERY BENEFICIAL AS WE, WE PULL OUT THE COMMUNICATIONS.
SO INSTEAD OF JUST POSTING THE, THE, THE, THE REPORT.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT WHO TALKED TO WHOM AND WHAT THEY SAID AT THE TIME THEY SAID IT.
SO THEN, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN NO, IT DOES MAKE SENSE.
UM, I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT, AND, AND THAT'S OKAY.
AND WE'LL, WE, WE CAN UPLOAD THIS AND, AND, AND I, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE THE CONVERSATION TO PREP FOR NEXT WEEK.
AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I, I UNDERSTAND IS THAT, UM, IT, THE, AND, AND MAYBE THIS IS WHAT I'M MISSING, UM, IS THE, THE JOINT INFORMATION CENTER.
SO, UM, WHEN THAT IS ACTIVATED, I THINK IT'S THE ONE THING THAT I'M, I'M NOT NECESSARILY TOO CLEAR ON.
I, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S ACTIVATED THE MINUTE THE E O C IS ACTIVATED, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S ANOTHER ENTITY.
SO IF WE'RE JUST MIXING IT INTO THE E O C, UM, I, I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD THEM AS WELL IN HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE, I SEE THEM AS THE KEY COMMUNICATORS.
WE DO HAVE THE PIOS INTEGRATED INTO THERE.
UM, BUT AS I WAS LOOKING AT EMERGENCY PLANS FOR OTHER CITIES, THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC FOR WHAT THAT JOINT INFORMATION CENTER SHOULD BE DOING.
AND SO THAT JOINT INFORMATION CENTER IS A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING TEAM, THEN GIVES THE INFORMATION TO THE PIOS WHO COMMUNICATE AND SHARE INFORMATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR WHAT, WHATEVER IT IS.
SO I DID JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT, THAT THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I, UM, HADN'T NECESSARILY BEEN CLEAR ON.
WELL, IS, IS THAT NOT PART OF THE, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION HERE.
IS THAT PART OF THE, UH, EMERGENCY CENTER? SO THAT THAT'S, SO YES, THE JOINT INFORMATION CENTER TAKES OVER ALL OF OUR COMMUNICATION.
UM, ONCE, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN EVENT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
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DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, LIKE, SO THERE'S NO SEPARATION NECESSARILY OF IF THE E O C IS ACTIVATED.SO WE WERE TOLD THAT THE E O C WAS GONNA BE ACTIVATED FEBRUARY THE 12TH OR SOMETHING.
SO AT THAT POINT, DOES THE, THE J J I C ALSO OPERATE? AND SO THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND THE J I C TO OPERATE IS THAT EVERYBODY, THE COMMS PEOPLE FROM EVERY ENTITY ARE TOGETHER.
AND, AND BEN PROBABLY, UM, CAN, CAN HELP UNDERSTAND, BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS PEOPLE TOGETHER.
NOW WITH THE COVID SITUATION, IT BECAME A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY COULD BE IN THE SAME CEN CENTER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S SOCIAL DISTANCING AND THERE'S PEOPLE COMMUNICATING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A PART OF IT, RIGHT? SO WHAT IF THERE WAS SOMEONE MISSING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE POWER, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A WAY OF COMMUNICATING.
RIGHT? AND SO I THINK THAT'S, UH, WHY I'M ASKING SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IF I WAS THE PERSON THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE REPRESENTING AN ENTITY FOR THIS JOINT INFORMATION, UM, UH, FORCE OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, RIGHT? UM, AND I CAN'T GET THERE, WHO'S MY BACKUP.
AND SO, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING.
SO DO WE MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT AS SOON AS THE E O C IS ACTIVATED, THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE THERE AND IF THEY CAN'T PHYSICALLY BE THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE COVID GOING ON, WHAT HAPPENS? AND THAT, THAT, LISA HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THAT.
HER QUESTIONS ARE GOOD ON THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.
BEN, IS THE, IS THIS INFORMATION CENTER PART OF THE E O C OR IS IT SEPARATE? UH, YES, CHAIR, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE, THE JOINT INFORMATION, UH, CENTER, THEY CALL IT THE JIC, IS ACTIVATED AS PART OF THE E O C.
SO AS YOU LOOK AT THE E O C, YOU'RE GOING TO PICK UP WHAT THE JIC WAS DOING, WHO WAS THERE, HOW THEY WERE FUNCTIONING.
I, I BELIEVE SOME OF IT WAS HAPPENING OBVIOUSLY VIRTUALLY BECAUSE OF, OF THE ISSUES WITH C O I D.
BUT AS YOU START TO LOOK AT THE E O C, THAT WILL CERTAINLY PICK UP THE ACTIVITIES OF THE JIC.
OKAY, JUST ONE QUESTION AS WE ARE, ARE LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE WE'VE, WE ARE STARTING TO FILTER DOWN AND WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CITY.
SO IN TERMS OF THE COLUMNS HERE, DO WE WANT TO HAVE THE CITY AS A SEPARATE COLUMN AND ADDING THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS AS A SECOND COLUMN? OR ARE WE MERGING THOSE TWO TOGETHER? BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE ALL OVERLAPPING RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHERE WE HAD DISTRICT SEVEN, THAT COLUMN WE COULD BE ADDING IN THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, THAT SUGGESTION BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, THE, THE PARTS OF THE CITY THAT TOOK CARE OF THE ROADS, THAT WASN'T REALLY INTEGRATED INTO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
BUT IT'S STILL IMPORTANT TO PUT THAT DOWN.
I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE TWO COLUMNS OR THE MULTIPLE ENTITIES, UM, WHEN THEY COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER, UH, IS HOW DOES THAT BECOME PART OF THE TIMELINE? SO, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS COLUMN AND AND ROW THING ISN'T IDEAL.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK WITH IT.
SO, AND, AND THAT WOULD BE FINE.
BUT I THINK ALSO TO A LOT OF ADRIANA'S POINTS AND TO ANNA'S POINTS, WELL ACTUALLY ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE SITTING ON COUNCIL, SOME OF THAT COMMUNICATION'S GONNA BE PURELY CITY.
IT'S NOT GONNA FALL INTO THIS OTHER CATEGORY.
SO I THINK WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR REPORTS, AS WE START LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE, IT'S HELPFUL TO NOT TO, TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS LIE AND, AND NOT LET THOSE BE UNSILOED WHILE WE LOOK AT WHAT THE ISSUES CAME UP, UM, IN DECISION MAKING PROCESS IF PEOPLE WERE TOO SILOED TO, TO YOUR POINT, ED, BUT BACK TO ADRIANA'S QUESTION, SHOULDN'T THE E O C HAVE ALL OF THE CITY, UM, SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE ALL THE CITY GROUPS TOGETHER IN THAT? I MEAN, BEN, THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T MAKE, MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME IF THERE'S, IF, IF THE E O C DOESN'T HAVE ALL LIKE THE FIRE POLICE AND EVERYBODY WIRED TOGETHER, I'M, I'M, I'M CONFUSED HERE.
SO CHAIR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE OPERATIONAL ROLES IN TERMS OF RESPONDING TO AN EVENT OR AN EMERGENCY ARE THERE, SO THEY HAVE REPRESENTATIVES THERE, OKAY.
AT THE E O C, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN COORDINATE, UM, DECISION MAKING, LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING AS THE SITUATION EVOLVES, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS HAPPENING AS PART OF THE E O C OPERATION.
SO WAIT, LET, LET ME BACK UP HERE.
WE GOT AN ENTITY AND THEN WE GOT ENTITIES WITHIN THE ENTITY.
SO ARE WE LOOKING AT HOW ENTITIES PERFORMED OR HOW A COORDINATING BODY PERFORMED? I I NEED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT,
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ED.I MEAN, I, MY MY VIEW IS THE COORDINATING BODY, RIGHT? THIS IS A DEFINED EVENT, HAS A BEGINNING IN IT.
AND, AND THE REASON YOU HAVE AN E O C IS TO MANAGE OPERATIONS DURING THAT PERIOD, NOT OUTSIDE OF IT, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT, AT HOW THOSE ENTITIES FUNCTIONED TOGETHER THROUGH THE E O C, WHICH I ASSUME WE, WE NEED TO VERIFY THIS IS DESIGNED TO BRING ALL OF THE RELEVANT OPERATIONAL PLAYERS TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE TO MANAGE A, YOU KNOW, AN A SITUATION.
UM, SO IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS A SEPARATE CITY, YOU KNOW, CATEGORY HERE WHEN ALL OF THOSE ENTITIES REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN, I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE BY EXCEPTION.
AND WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHO WAS OPERATING OUTSIDE OF THAT BUBBLE OF THE E O C, IT SEEMS TO ME, UH, AND WHY, SO THERE MAY BE MAYBE THERE'S A, MAYBE THERE'S A COLUMN OVER THERE THAT WE PUT PEOPLE IN THAT CLEARLY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE SORT OF MANAGEMENT OF THE CRISIS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
AND WE'RE OPERATING OUTSIDE AND MAKING DECISIONS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S TO MY POINT.
I THINK CHAIR, WE, WE COULD, UM, SHARE A DOCUMENT THAT I KNOW IS AVAILABLE THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL OF OUR PARTNERS.
SO WHEN, WHEN THE E O C ACTIVATES, YOU KNOW, THE HOSPITAL DIS THE HOSPITAL SYSTEMS ARE THERE, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE PART OF THAT RESPONSE.
SO WE COULD CERTAINLY PUT THAT ON SHAREPOINT JUST TO MAKE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO YOU.
WELL, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT, WHAT ED'S SAYING, BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS NOT WHAT THE, THE E O C DID, IT'S WHAT ENTITIES DID THAT WERE COORDINATED BY THE E O C.
RIGHT? SO IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE ENTITIES ON THERE THAN THE E O C I? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO SHOULD YOU HAVE THE, LET ME TAKE AN EXAMPLE.
'CAUSE I GOTTA DRAG DOWN SAMPLE.
SO LET'S TAKE THE EXAMPLE ERIC WAS TELLING ME ABOUT THAT THE, THE, THE CHIEF CALLED HIM SAID, WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE REX.
HE CALLS TDOT AND SAYS, HEY, CAN WE SHUT DOWN THESE ROADS? TXDOT HAS THE RIGHT TO SHUT 'EM DOWN.
SO IS THAT A COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE E O C AND TDOT A COMMUNICATION BETWEEN E O C AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, YEAH, THAT, ARE WE CLICKING IT THAT WAY? AND SO ARE ALL OF THESE, ARE ALL OF THESE COMMUNICATIONS, EVEN BETWEEN SAWS AND C P S, IS EVERY ONE OF THESE COMMUNICATIONS SOMETHING THAT THE E O C SHOULD BE LOOKING AT? AND REALLY IT'S THE ACTIONS BETWEEN ENTITIES THAT E O C IS CONTROLLING AS OPPOSED TO NOT.
AND TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS THAT WEREN'T IN IT, THEN MAYBE THAT COMMUNICATION WASN'T.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, IS THE, IS THE LOWEST ELEMENT, UH, LIKE, UH, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAW C P S, ALL OF THAT.
AND, AND, AND THEN ABOVE THAT IS THE E O C THAT'S SEEING ALL OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
'CAUSE THE E O C ITSELF DOESN'T DO ANYTHING, RIGHT? THEY CONTROL WHAT IS DONE OR SUPPOSEDLY RIGHT.
AM I, AM I OUT? BUT IF THEY'RE CONTROLLING, THEN THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING.
I MEAN, THEN THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE CONTROLLING SPECIFIC COMMUNICATIONS.
AND WHEN IT COMES IN, AND TO MY POINT, I GUESS I'M THINKING IS IF, IF, IF, IF AN ENTITY OVER HERE DECIDES THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY'RE REPORTING DOING IT, THEY DIDN'T COMMUNICATE IT BEFORE THEY NEED TO DO IT, THEN THEY'RE NOT COMMUNICATING.
AND I, I'M TRYING TO, I DON'T MAKE THIS MORE COMPLICATED.
I I THINK SOME OF THIS WILL BE MORE, UH, IT, IT WILL REVEAL ITSELF AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS.
UM, BUT, BUT I, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HOW THE E O C WAS DESIGNED TO OPERATE.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL WORK OUT IN OUR GROUP.
BUT, BUT I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THEY, THAT ONE OF THE SORT OF STRUCTURAL ASPECTS OF THE E O C IS TO DEVELOP SOME FORM OF COMMON OPERATING PICTURE, RIGHT? SO THAT ALL OF THE RELEVANT INFORMATION IS IN ONE PLACE WITH ALL THE RELEVANT PLAYERS.
EVERYBODY'S SEEING THE SAME INFORMATION AND THEN CAN ACT ON THAT INFORMATION, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND I ASSUME THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME WAY OF DOING THAT.
AND THEREFORE, IF, IF IT'S THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE STREETS OR TAKING AN ACTION, YOU KNOW IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT ACTION MIGHT IMPACT SOMEBODY ELSE'S ACTION OR IT MIGHT IMPACT A TIMELINE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT THIS TIMELINE THAT WE'RE BUILDING, THAT THAT A, THAT PART OF IT WILL REVEAL TO US WHAT THAT COMMON OPERATIONAL PICTURE LOOKED LIKE.
AND WHO WAS OUT OF THAT LOOP EXACTLY.
AND WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN IT.
MUCH BETTER SAID, I, I I THINK THAT'S, YOU'RE DEAD ON.
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SO, OKAY, WE GOT, UH, ADRIANA, LISA DIDN'T WANT TO FINISH IF, IF YOU WERE NOT FINISHED.I'M, I'M, THAT'S IT FOR ME, IT, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS I, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I THINK WHERE WE ARE WITH THE, THE TIMELINE THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
I, IT, WE'LL ADJUST IT AS WE GO, AS WE NEED TO, TO HAVE IT TELL US WHAT WE NEED AND TO USE IT AS A TOOL.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR ME, LOOKING AT THIS, WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPERATION AND THIS'LL GET BACK TO THE E O C, YOU, YOU HAVE A PLAN, RIGHT? TO, IT'S A BASIC PLAN, BUT NO PLAN, YOU KNOW, SURVIVES FIRST CONTACT WITH THE EVENT.
AND SO THEN THE E O C IS DESIGNED TO, TO SORT OF MANAGE THROUGH THE FOG AND THE FRICTION, RIGHT? AND THE FOG IS WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S INACCURATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST INFORMATION.
AND THEN FRICTION IS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO EXECUTE SOMETHING AND SOMETHING GETS IN THE WAY, LIKE COVID, SO YOU HAD A PLAN TO DO IT THIS WAY, ALL OF A SUDDEN PLAN'S NO GOOD ANYMORE 'CAUSE OF COVID.
YOU GOTTA, YOU WORK YOUR WAY AROUND THAT.
SO HOW THE E O C WAS ABLE TO BUILD THAT COMP, COMMON OPERATIONAL PICTURE SO THAT THEY HAD AS ACCURATE OF INFORMATION AND LITTLE FOG AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN HOW THEY SORT OF EXECUTED THROUGH THAT SYSTEM TO FIGHT THROUGH THE FRICTION THAT WAS INEVITABLE.
I THINK WE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BUILD THIS TIMELINE TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS.
I'M, UH, I HEARD ALL THE QUESTIONS.
I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THEM.
AND COMMENT IS, UH, IS OUT BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE THE EXACT COMMENT I JUST HEARD RIGHT NOW.
CAN I MENTION, JUST WAIT, ONE THING.
REAL WAIT, WE, REAL, REAL QUICK SOMETHING HERE.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAD A LOT OF TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES TODAY.
BUT JUST SOME THOUGHTS ON, UH, FUTURE MEETINGS.
UM, I KNOW WE WANT TO KEEP THIS INFORMAL AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UH, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT MAYBE TRYING TO CREATE, UH, UH, DIFFERENT AVENUES IN TERMS OF HOW WE SHARE DOCUMENTS.
SO THIS ROOM ISN'T REALLY IDEAL.
WE HAD TO MOVE FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER.
I KNOW YOU WERE HAVING TO LOOK BEHIND YOU 'CAUSE THE SCREEN WAS BEHIND YOU.
UH, WE CAN MAYBE GET SOME IPADS IN THE ROOM, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE SHAREPOINT UP AND BE LOOKING AT IT.
I KNOW, UH, COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL AND COUNCILMAN ROCHA GARCIA, YOU HAVE YOURS.
UH, BUT WE'LL WORK ON A COUPLE OF THINGS AND MAYBE WE CAN SHARE SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW WHICH ONES WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS FROM A LOGISTICS, UH, STANDPOINT, UH, TO TRY TO MAKE THIS BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT FOR YOU ON, ON YOUR USE OF TIME.
THAT ROOM WHERE THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETS, UM, UH, OUR B SESSION ROOM, OUR A SESSION ROOM.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE HOOKED UP FOR AB AND WE SEEM TO BE, UH, REALLY AGILE IN THOSE ROOMS WHEN WE NEED TO, UH, SIGN IN, UH, REMOTELY.
COULD WE USE THE
WELL LET US, WE'LL WORK ON SOME, WE WILL LOOK AT SOME OPTIONS AND SOME ALTERNATIVES.
WE TEST OUT AHEAD OF TIME TO, TO TRY TO AVOID HAVING ANY GLITCHES IN THE FUTURE.
WE'LL GO LOOK AT SOME OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL.
REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S HELP AND ATTENTION.
UH, AND, UH, WE'LL UH, SEE YOU NEXT WEEK AND WE'LL BE TALKING ON THE RADIO.