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AS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT HAPPENS, UH, WHAT WAS EXPECTED HAPPENED, UM, IF
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WE COULD GO AHEAD COMMISSIONERS AND PICK WHICH ITEMS, UH, NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM CONSENT, IF ANY.WE NEED TO DO THE, THE WORK SESSION FIRST, THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE N C D.
LET'S BEGIN WITH THE M C D THEN.
SO, I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE JOHN OSEN.
HE'S THE PROJECT COORDINATOR OVER THIS PROJECT.
HE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH MONTE VISTA TERRACE TO DEVELOP THAT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THEIR AREA.
THIS IS PART OF A RESOLUTION THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2018, SO HE'S GONNA COVER ALL OF THAT WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
I AM GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JOHN NOW.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
UH, THIS IS JOHN OLSTON WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT ZONING SECTION.
AND, UH, TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU THE MON VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UM, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENT AND, AND THE PROCESS.
CAN I GO NEXT ONE, MIKE? ALRIGHT.
UH, TYPICALLY N C D IS A, IS A ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH, UH, ADDRESSES THE APPROPRIATENESS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGH ENFORCEABLE DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND TYPICALLY IT'S, UH, IT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT IN THE PAST WE HAD ALSO SOME, YOU KNOW, AREAS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS WITH COMMERCIAL STANDARDS AS WELL.
BUT, UH, THIS ONE, MONTE VISTA TERRACE WILL BE STRICTLY, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTED, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS.
AND THE AREA IS, UH, GENERALLY TO THE, UH, SOUTH, UH, HILDERBRAND AVENUE TO THE, TO THE WEST SAN PEDRO AND RAILROAD TRACKS AND, UM, TO THE NORTH WEST ALMOST DRIVE AND TO THE EAST MCCULLAH AVENUE.
BUT EXCLUDING, AGAIN, THOSE, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES CAN GO NEXT.
AND, UH, BACK IN 2000, LATE 2018, UH, DISTRICT ONE, UH, CITY COUNCIL, DISTRICT ONE RECEIVED PETITION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, JUST START, UH, WITH THE INTENTION OF, YOU KNOW, CREATING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, 2019 CITY COUN, UH, 2018, AGAIN, UH, CITY INITIATED, UH, WITH, UH, COUNCIL, UH, REQUEST, COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST.
AND THEN 2019, THEY ADOPTED A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THE PROCESS AND, UH, DIRECTING STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, JUST CREATE THIS, UH, NEW SET OF REGULATIONS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, AND SINCE THIS IS AN, UH, ZONING OVERLAY, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, U D C AMENDMENT, UH, IT WILL GO THROUGH YOU AND, AND THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION.
UH, IN THIS N C D THESE ARE THE TOPIC ITEMS THAT I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY READ ALL OF 'EM, BUT TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, FROM LOT SIZE TO, YOU KNOW, FENCES TO GARAGES TO, UH, ACCESSORIES STRUCTURES AND DWELLING UNITS TO, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS.
AND THERE SO MANY ITEMS, UH, THEY, UH, CREATED.
AND WHEN I SAID THEY, WE SENT LETTERS TO, OR INVITATION LETTERS TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS.
AND, UH, WHOEVER'S I, WE INVITED EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO BE ON THE TASK FORCE.
AND APPROXIMATELY, I BELIEVE 13, 14 PEOPLE SHOWED INTEREST.
AND WE MET SEVERAL TIMES, UH, MOSTLY IN PERSON PRIOR TO COVID PANDEMIC, AND THEN A COUPLE OF TIMES.
AND, UM, SO THEY CREATED THIS, UH, THIS SET OF, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS FOR THEIR, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT NEXT.
AND, UH, EVEN THOUGH, UH, DEFINITELY THEY HAVE THE INTENTION NOT TO CREATE ANY KIND OF NON-CONFORMING SITUATIONS, THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, BASED ON THIS NEW REGULATIONS, IF THEY GET ADOPTED, ADOPTED, AND, UH, MAYBE SOME, MAYBE FEW OF THE PROPERTIES MAY BECOME NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLY WITH THE NEW SET OF REGULATIONS.
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THOUGH THIS WAS NOT AN, UH, THEIR INTENTION.BUT THERE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.
BUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, USE THE PROPERTY AS IT IS.
AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF LIKE, UH, REPAIR OR SOME, YOU KNOW, LIKE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED OR NECESSARY, UH, THEY CAN DO, DO SO, UH, AS LONG AS THE, THE COST OF THAT, UH, UPGRADES OR, OR, UH, REPAIRS DO NOT EXCEED, YOU KNOW, 50% OF THE REPLACEMENT COST OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO THIS IS A TYPICAL, UH, USE U D C LANGUAGE, UH, FOR NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE, SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO USE THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY, NO PROBLEM.
NEXT, SO THIS ONE SHOWS THE, UM, STEPS, UH, OR PHASES.
YOU KNOW, WE TOOK IN THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, FROM CREATION, UH, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE MEETINGS AND, UM, WE VISITED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING AT LEAST TWICE I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO CONDUCTED SPECIFICALLY, UH, FOR THIS PURPOSE, UM, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OR OR COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AGAIN, WE INVITED EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, IN THIS AREA, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND, UH, SO THEY ASKED, THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS OR, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION.
AND, UM, WE ARE BASICALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ADOPTION PROCESS.
TODAY IS THE BRIEFING, UH, BEFORE YOU, AND THEN WE'LL COME AGAIN, UH, FOR THE, UH, OFFICIAL HEARING AND THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL 6TH HEARING.
AND THEN, UH, WE'RE TENTATIVELY WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR MAY 6TH, UH, CITY COUNCIL HEARING, UH, NEXT TIME.
AND, UH, WE, THIS IS A, LIKE A SNAPSHOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE WEBPAGE FOR THAT WE CREATED FOR, UH, FOR THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, PROJECT.
AND, UH, MY CONTACT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ON, ON THE SCREEN, UH, JOHN.AUSTIN@SANSON.GOV.
MY EMAIL ADDRESS, TWO OH SEVEN TWENTY ONE EIGHTY SEVEN, MY PHONE NUMBER.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, WEBSITE IS ON DEPARTMENT PART OF OUR DEPARTMENT WEBSITE.
AND THIS, UH, CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION FOR YOU TODAY.
AND AGAIN, UM, NEXT TIME ON APRIL 6TH, UH, OFFICIAL HEARING, UH, I'LL BE BACK AGAIN ON THE AGENDA.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK ME.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT OF MONTE VISTA? NOT DELIBERATION PLEASE, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
UM, COMMISSIONER SIPS, YOU'LL BE NEXT.
UM, THAT WAS A VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY BRIEF, UM, PRESENTATION FOR A VERY, VERY, VERY OVER SWEEPING REGULATION OVER HOUSES.
UM, WHERE COULD I GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE MEETINGS THAT YOU HAD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERN? UM, I, I'M NOT COMFORT IF WE WERE TO VOTE ON IT TODAY, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL BE COMFORTABLE APRIL 6TH, UM, WHERE, WHERE I GUESS THAT LINK YOU'RE POINTING TO, I SHOULD GET GO TO THERE.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, THIS IS CHRISTIE.
UM, SO THIS WAS JUST A, UH, A BASIC, JUST A QUICK BRIEFING ABOUT THE MATERIALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU AT THE NEXT ZONING MEETING, WHICH WILL GO THROUGH ALL OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE TASK FORCE.
WE DO HAVE ON THAT LAST SLIDE, A LINK TO, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU YOU GET THIS PRESENTATION, BUT A LINK TO ALL OF THE INFORMATION WHERE THE TASK FORCE WAS INVOLVED, THE SPREADSHEET WITH THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES, ALL OF THE MEETINGS THAT OCCURRED, ALL OF THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS THAT OCCURRED, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AS THEIR FINAL, WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
UH, THEY WERE INTEGRAL IN GETTING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION PUT TOGETHER, AND THEY, EVEN THOSE SPREADSHEETS YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN NOW, WERE PART OF THE HOMEWORK THAT THEY DID IN REVIEWING ALL OF THE SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS TO MAKE SURE NOT ONLY THAT THEY WERE BEING FAIR IN THEIR DESIGN STANDARDS, BUT THEY WERE NOT CREATING NON-CONFORMING SITUATIONS.
SO, UH,
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WANT ME TO READ ALL THAT MYSELF? SO, OR ARE YOU GOING TO PRESENT THAT APRIL 6TH AND THEN WE'RE GONNA VOTE APRIL 6TH? CORRECT.WE WILL BE PRESENTING THAT IN AN OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING ON APRIL THE SIXTH.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HEAR THE DATA AND THE BACKGROUND OF IT AT THE SAME TIME, PUBLIC IS, AND THEN I'M ASKED TO VOTE ON IT.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT TODAY WOULD'VE BEEN THE TIME TO GIVE ME A, A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH UNDERSTANDING.
IT, IT SEEMS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED, IT'S A BIT OVERBEARING OF AN OVERLAY.
MAYBE THE NEIGHBORS WANT THAT.
SO COMMISSIONER, THIS IS MELISSA RAMIREZ, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE MONTE VISTA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS A PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY CAME TO THE TABLE WITH ASKING FOR, UH, STAFF WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE THAT THE N C D MET THEIR NEEDS AND WHILE STILL BEING ABLE TO, UH, IMPLEMENT THE CODE.
BUT YES, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL BRIEFINGS, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO ANOTHER BRIEFING AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UH, BEFORE THIS ITEM IS CONSIDERED, UH, I, LEMME ASK, LEMME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.
HOW, HOW MUCH OF EQUITY WAS CONSIDERED IN THESE, IN THIS PLAN? BECAUSE ONCE THAT PLAN IS IN PLACE, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, OH, HI MELISSA, I SEE YOU
UH, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S, IT'S GOT A LOT OF EXPENSE TO IT.
HOW EQUITABLE IS THAT TO SOMEONE MOVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE LIMITING WHO CAN MOVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THAT I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO MOVE INTO SOME EQUITABLE STANDARDS.
SO WAS THAT CONSIDERED IN THIS? I DIDN'T SEE THAT.
AND, AND WE CAN PROVIDE YOU THE DETAILS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, AT OUR NEXT, UH, WORK SESSION BRIEFING BEFORE YOU CONSIDER THIS ITEM, WE, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THEIR REQUESTS.
AND THIS IS NOT TO LIMIT PEOPLE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS IS TO HAVE MAINTAIN A CHARACTERISTIC FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THIS IS NOT, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.
I'LL LOOK AT THE DATA, BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU DO AN OVERLAY THIS EXTREME THAT LIMITS PEOPLE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT.
I'LL LOOK IT OVER AND LISTEN TO IT.
AND ON APRIL 6TH, THANKS MELISSA.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AND STAFF, COULD WE JUST GO AHEAD AND GET THIS PRESENTATION, UH, EMAILED TO US AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE? THAT WAY WE CAN GO TO THAT WEBSITE, LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION AND, AND DO THAT KIND OF INFORMATION AND, AND MAYBE EVEN BE ABLE TO, UH, TAILOR OUR QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, FOR ANY FUTURE WORK SESSION AND OF COURSE FOR THE APRIL 6TH CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
UH, AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SIPES ALSO HAD, UH, SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, IT WAS MORE OF A CLARIFICATION ON, ON THE SLIDE THAT IT DISCUSSED, UM, NON-CONFORMING CONDITIONS.
IS THERE A WAY TO GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE REAL QUICK RIGHT THERE.
OKAY, SO I WAS WRITTEN IT IS RIGHT TO MAINTAIN NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES CEASES WHEN DAMAGED AND COST OF REPAIRS BELOW 50% OF REPLACEMENT COST.
OR IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE COST OF REPAIRS ABOVE 50%? UH, THE, UM, IF THE COST OF REPAIRS, IF THEY'RE NOT EXCEEDING THE 50% OF THE REPLACEMENT COST COST OF THAT STRUCTURE, THEN BASICALLY WE ALLOW THEM TO USE, CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, USE IT AND REPAIR IT AND USE IT.
UH, BUT IF THAT COST OF REPAIR IS EXCEEDING THAT 50% OF THE REPLACEMENT COST OF THEIR ENTIRE STRUCTURE AND NO LAND, UH, VALUE WILL BE INCLUDED, JUST THE STRUCTURED VALUE.
AND, UM, THEN THAT WILL BASICALLY TRIGGER THEM TO, UH, COMPLY WITH ALL THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS.
AND SO THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO BASICALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, UH, NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, UH, PROVISIONS IN THE CODE.
SO IT'S, SO IT'S ABOVE 50% THEN.
UM, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, UH, WHICH, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT A LOT OF, UH, THE STANDARD BUILDING CODE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S NOTHING UNUSUAL.
YOU KNOW, STANDARD BUILDING CODE, ONCE YOU HIT CERTAIN, UM, PERCENTAGE PARAMETERS, THEN YOU HAVE TO BRING THINGS UP TO CODE.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES, UH, EAGLE EYE THERE, BY THE WAY.
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COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS REGARDING THE N C D WORK SESSION PRESENTATION TODAY? SEEING NONE, UNLESS COMMISSIONER WHITE WAS GOING FOR HIS MUTE BUTTON, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, OH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I'M SORRY.SO I, I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES.
I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT SUCH A MAJOR DECISION BEING, UM, COMING BEFORE US WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING, UH, WHAT ENTAILED WHAT, WHAT THIS PROCESS ENTAILED.
AND I UNDERSTAND MONTE VISTA IN A PROBABLY BROUGHT IT FORTH, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, OBVIOUSLY NON-CONFORMING BEING ONE OF THOSE.
I ALSO ALWAYS WANNA KNOW HOW DID THE HOMEOWNERS FEEL? WHAT WAS THEIR FEEDBACK? AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S IN THIS LINK, IF I CAN FIND THAT OR NOT, BUT I DEFINITELY WILL WANNA HEAR ABOUT THAT AT OUR NEXT BRIEFING.
AND IF STAFF WANTS TO ADDRESS ANY OF THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, STAFF, SHOULD YOU HAVE RECEIVED ANY, UM, NEGATIVE COMMENTS IN THE COURSE OF YOUR OBLIGATIONS IN THIS PROCESS, IF YOU COULD FORWARD THOSE TO US AS WELL SO THAT WE COULD, UH, GET THE BEST IDEA POSSIBLE AS TO HOW INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN REACTING TO THIS, UH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
THIS IS CHRISTIE, AND JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEND YOU THE FULL PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED ON THREE OCCASIONS TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT THEIR FEEDBACK AND ALL OF THEIR FEEDBACK WAS SUPPORTIVE.
IN FACT, IT WAS MORE OF CLARIFYING LANGUAGE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND SO WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE ALL OF THAT WITH YOU.
THIS HAS BEEN, THIS TASK FORCE HAS BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH.
A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY SEEMED TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE.
SAME, THERE'S ONLY APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 184 PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA, AND ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF PARTICIPATING AND, AND HELPING IN THIS PROCESS.
SO WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE, BE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION, UH, THAT THEY HAVE.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? YES.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, IF NO ONE ELSE, SORRY, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY FIRST UH, COMMENTS, THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
OKAY, THEN TO THAT, TO THAT COMMENT, UM, MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION.
SO CAN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, LET'S SAY MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS 60 YEARS OLD, CAN WE APPROACH CITY, UH, DEVELOPMENT OR CITY CONSERVATION AND SAY, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE STRICT GUIDELINES OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
DO CAN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD DO THAT? YES MA'AM.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS APPROACH YOUR COUNCIL OFFICE AND HAVE THEM PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN INITIATE STAFF LOOKING INTO CREATING A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT FOR YOUR AREA.
ARE THERE LIMITATIONS ON THE CONSERVATION PLANS OR ARE THESE ANYTHING YOU FEEL YOU NEED IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THERE ARE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, BUT THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS NOW AS TO THE TYPE OF BILL.
YOU CAN'T, WE CAN NO LONGER SAY THAT IT'S A CERTAIN BUILDING MATERIAL THAT CAME DOWN AS A STATE STATUTE.
UM, AND THE PETITION, OR YES, THE PETITION THAT WENT FORWARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IN MONTE VISTA HAD 50% OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AGREED THAT AGREED THAT THE STANDARD, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION GUIDELINES WERE DESIRED.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE COUNCIL OFFICE MOVED FORWARD.
SO AGAIN, I THINK MY CONCERN IS THE EQUITABLENESS THAT IT CREATES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, PARTICULARLY NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE EQUITY OFFICERS N GIVE LOOKS AT OR COULD LOOK AT? ARE YOU SHUTTING DOORS TO HOMEOWNERS? NO, THESE DESIGN GUIDELINES HAVE MORE TO DO WITH, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, FENCE HEIGHT, RIGHT? SOME PEOPLE IN THEIR FRONT YARD MAY WANT A PICKET FENCE THAT'S FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THE, THE REGULATIONS STATE CAN ONLY BE FREE.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT SAYS THEY CAN CREATE GUIDELINES THAT MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE SO THAT WHEN JOHN AND HIS TEAM ARE DOING PERMIT REVIEWS, THEY CAN CONSIDER THAT.
BUT, UH, IF THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN REGULATIONS IS NOT TO CREATE ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THE RESIDENTS, UM, IT'S IN ORDER TO KIND OF KEEP A
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CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD, PRESERVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BASICALLY, AND THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
UNLESS ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAS ANYTHING FURTHER.
AND I'M GONNA DO A QUICK, QUICK SEARCH.
UH, LET'S GO ON TO OUR WORK SESSION AND BEGIN TO DISCUSS THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AND CONSENT ITEMS FOR TODAY'S AGENDA.
UM, BEFORE, UH, WE BEGAN THE N C D I HAD STARTED TO SAY, UH, WE, WE WILL NEED TO PULL ITEM ONE FROM COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE AS THERE IS AN AMENDMENT REQUIRED, UH, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DONE AT THE DAIS.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, UH, ANY FURTHER ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE PULLED FROM COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE TO EITHER INDIVIDUAL OR TO, UM, THE COMBINED HEARING.
NUMBER TWO, WHICH SHOULD BE CONTINUANCES.
UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, WE'LL START WITH YOU.
UH, ACTUALLY I JUST LACK A COPY OF THE SUMMARY OF CASES.
COULD WE GET THAT, UH, SENT AROUND PLEASE? THANKS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS KNOW THEY HAVE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE PULLED? COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES.
IF I COULD, UM, PULL ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
ANYTHING FURTHER, MS. UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES? NOT AT THE TIME, NO.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER COM? YES.
COMMISSIONER KENNETH, YOU HAVE TO BE RECUSED ON 22.
UH, YES, I HAVE, UH, I HAVE SENT THE, UH, RECUSAL ON THAT, UH, ON ITEM 13 IT SAYS RECOMMENDATION PENDING.
I WAS WONDERING IF THE, UH, D S D HAS THE RECOMMENDATION FINALIZED IS APPROVED OR DENIED? COMMISSIONER KAMATH, IT, IT TURNS OUT THAT THAT CASE IS NOT READY TO PROCEED FORWARD AT THIS TIME AND SO, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE NEXT MEETING.
SO IT HAS BEEN MOVED TO NUMBER TWO.
UM, SORRY, ON, ON 22, UH, THAT SHOULD REMAIN AN INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THERE OF THE RECUSAL AS WELL AS THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
AND SO COMMISSIONER, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ITEM NUMBER 22 AS WELL UP TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S REQUESTED, THEY'RE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING FURTHER NEED TO BE TAKEN FROM THE INDIVIDUAL OR COMBINED RATHER TO THE INDIVIDUAL? UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, ON THE INDIVIDUAL, I NOTICED THAT ONE OF THE CASES APPEARS TO BE OUT OF ORDER, IT'S THE 23.
IS THAT, ARE WE HEARING THAT CASE EARLIER? IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
UH, WHEN OUR PARTNERS AT OTHER DEPARTMENTS JOIN US ON THE CALL, WE TRY TO BE EXPEDITIOUS OF THEIR TIME.
AND SO THIS IS A CASE THAT IS THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THEY WILL BE PRESENTING THAT ONE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM COMBINED TO INDIVIDUAL? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE? OH YES.
COMMISSIONER KENNETH, IF THE, UH, NUMBER 22 IS MOVED UP TO THE COMBINED HEARING TWO FOR A CONTINUANCE, DO I STILL NEED TO BE RECUSED OR WHAT'S THE STATUS GONNA BE FOR ME? I, I, I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS YES.
YOU'LL STILL NEED TO BE RECUSED FROM ANY CONSIDERATION OF THAT ITEM, INCLUDING, UH, EVEN A CONTINUANCE.
UH, BUT WE CAN DO THAT DURING THE COMBINED HEARING.
UM, WHETHER IT'S THAT INDIVIDUAL
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COMBINED HEARING OR INDIVIDUAL ITEM OR THE ENTIRE COMBINED HEARING, WE CAN DETERMINE.REFUSAL, I BELIEVE WILL BE NECESSARY IF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION, OF COURSE THAT WOULD CONTROL IT.
SEEING NO FURTHER ISSUES TO BE REMOVED FROM COMBINED TO INDIVIDUAL, I BELIEVE THE WORK SESSION IS NOW OVER, I HAVE 12, OH, I'M SORRY.
I HAVE, UH, 1 0 1 AND UM, IN WHICH CASE I THINK WE ARE READY TO BEGIN THE PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, STAFF IF YOU WOULD CONFIRM THAT WE ARE READY FOR AUDIO VIDEO OR IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
STAFF, ARE WE READY TO PROCEED? WE'RE ALMOST READY, SIR.
LET US GET, UH, CONFIRMATION FROM AB JUST ONE MOMENT PLEASE.
WE ARE GOING TO GO LIVE AND WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL CORRECTION TO THE ZONING SUMMARY AND WE'LL GO OVER THESE AS WE COVER EACH SECTION, BUT UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO WAS INADVERTENTLY PLACED ON COMBINED HEARING TWO AND SHOULD BE ON COMBINED HEARING ONE.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UH, THE TIME IS 1 0 5 ON MARCH 16TH.
MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMANTE AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER.
I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION IN THE SESSION.
CAN WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? THANK YOU.
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PLEASE CONDUCT THE ROLL CALL.AND ONE MORE TIME FOR COMMISSIONER MCGEE PRESENT.
ALRIGHT, PRIOR TO STARTING WITH OUR ITEMS, UH, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT STAFF, IF YOU WOULD, TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19.
THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEETINGS VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE.
THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS DEFENDANT PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW ANTONIO GOV DSD WHEREBY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT 5 4 8 3 TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT.
THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL OR CALLING, ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING.
STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE
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OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD FOR ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT, STAFF WILL PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL.LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, TO RECEIVE A CALL BACK, WE WILL THEN CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENTS.
SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED.
THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION.
IF WE COULD PLEASE REVIEW THE CURRENT LIST OF, UH, CONSENT INDIVIDUAL AND ANY POSTPONED OR WITHDRAW ITEMS. MR. CHAIR FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE ITEM 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, AND 21.
AND FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, WHICH ARE OUR CONTINUANCES, WE HAVE ITEM 12, 13, AND 20 AND 22.
AND LASTLY, FOR INDIVIDUAL HEARING, WE HAVE ITEM 23, 1, 5, 6, 9, 17, 24, AND 25.
OKAY, COMMERS, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT ANY COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TAKE FROM ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS TO EITHER THE INDIVIDUAL OR CONTIN, CONTINUANCE, DOCKET, SEEING AND HEARING NONE.
[Items 2 - 4, 7, 8, 10, 11, 14 - 16, 18, 19 & 21]
PLEASE REMA READ THE REMAINING CONSENT ITEMS INTO THE RECORD STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM N P EIGHT TO L S UH, OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A WELDING SHOP LOCATED AT 1 3 8 7 0 WATSON ROAD.SEVEN NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO R FOUR.
GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 13,500 BLOCK OF CULEBRA ROAD.
FIVE NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO I D Z ONE WITH USES PERMITTED IN C ONE LIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT ONE 16 WEST MITCHELL STREET.
19 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION.
THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND FOUR OUTSIDE.
THE 200 FOOT BUFFER ARE IN SUPPORT.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO I D Z ONE OVERLAY REMAINING THE SAME WITH USES PERMITTED FOR SIX DWELLING UNIT LOCATED AT 16 11 16 15 AND 1617 WEST TRAVIS STREET.
31 NOTICES WERE MAIL ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION.
THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM PROSPECT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS OPPOSED.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO R SIX.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 9 0 3 NORTH HAMILTON STREET.
THERE WERE 14 NOTICES MAILED ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT SIX 11 AIRING PLACE THERE WERE 32 NOTICES MAILED ZERO WERE WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR.
ONE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1303 NORTH FLEET STREET.
THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM NP 15 TO R FIVE.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, GENERALLY LOCATED IN A 12,000 BLOCK OF SOMERSET ROAD.
ONE WAS RESER RECEIVED IN FAVOR.
ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RMM FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A DAYCARE TO
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RMM FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CATERERS AND A CATERING SHOP.NO ON-PREMISES FOOD SERVICES LOCATED AT 38 38 WEST AVENUE AND 3,900 WEST AVENUE.
ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
NORTH CENTRAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE NA TO R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 2203 EL PASO STREET.
64 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX A H O D TO R SIX C D A H O D WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 3 39 EAST FRENCH PLACE.
ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
AND THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE A H O D TO C TWO A H O D, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 8,400 BLOCK OF FLOYD PEARL DRIVE.
ZERO WERE RETURNED IN, SORRY, ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR.
ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND LASTLY, ITEM NUMBER 21 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE R TO C THREE HHL WITH A HISTORIC LANDMARK, UH, LOCATED AT 26 0 2 NORTH FLORES STREET.
31 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO OR RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND ALT VISTA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION MS. COMMISSIONER SIPES? I, UH, MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEMS NUMBER 2 3 4 7 8 10 11 14, 15, 16, 18, 19 AND 21.
IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
OKAY, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SECONDS.
I'M GONNA GRAB GREATHOUSE THIS TIME.
UH, THERE IS A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT ITEM AGENDAS BY COMMISSIONER SIPES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
[Items 12, 13, 20 & 22]
ON TO OUR, UH, SECOND COMBINED HEARING AGENDA, PLEASE.UM, STAFF, I BELIEVE THE CONTINUANCE FOR ITEM NUMBER 12 IS TO APRIL 6TH.
THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE THINKING.
UM, SO LORIANNE WILL READ ITEM NUMBER 12 AND 13 SINCE THOSE ARE FOR CONTINUANCE TO FOUR SIX, WE'LL TAKE THOSE TOGETHER AND THEN WE WILL TAKE ITEM 20 ON ITS OWN.
AND ITEM 22 ON ITS OWN FOR THE RECUSAL AS WELL.
THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR CONTINUANCES ON FOUR SIX, ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I D Z TO I D Z TWO WITH USE OF PERMITTED AND C TWO AND A TATTOO PARLOR.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1913 SOUTH FLORA STREET.
14 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION.
COLLINS GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED.
AND ITEM 13, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM NP 15 TO M X D MIXED USE AT LOCATED
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AT 1 4 8 5 0 WATSON ROAD AND 1 4 9 7 0 WATSON ROAD.NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO OR RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MR. CHAIR.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE A MOTION RELATING TO ITEMS 12 AND 13? THIS COMMISSIONER SYS I MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 6TH FOR ITEMS 12 AND 13.
IS THERE A SECOND? GREAT HOUSE? SECOND.
THIS TIME I'M GIVING IT TO COMMISSIONER JONES
THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 6TH FOR ITEMS 12 AND 13.
WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER JONES.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
I WOULD, ITEM NUMBER 20 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX HL.
ALL OTHER OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1206 WEST AGARITA AVENUE.
ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? AND SORRY, MR. CHAIR, I MEANT TO NOTE THAT THAT WAS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO FOUR 20.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? YES.
COMMISSIONER SYS, UM, MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH FOR ITEM NUMBER 20.
COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE SECOND.
UH, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH BY COMMISSIONER SIPES.
UM, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
10 TO ZERO FOR A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH.
AND FOR THIS NEXT ITEM, BEFORE WE READ IT INTO THE RECORD, IF, UH, THERE IS A RECUSAL BY COMMISSIONER KAMATH.
IF HE COULD PLEASE TURN OFF HIS CAMERA AND MICROPHONE.
AND MAY THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER KAMATH HAS RECUSED HIMSELF BY REMOVING HIS CAMERA AND MICROPHONE.
IF WE COULD READ THE ITEM INTO THE RECORD PLEASE.
ITEM NUMBER 22 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO MF 25.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1 3 1 0 7 SOUTHWEST LOOP FOUR.
AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND THIS ITEM IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR A CONTINUANCE TO FOUR SIX, MR. CHAIR.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? YES.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 6TH FOR ITEM NUMBER 22.
UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 6TH FOR ITEM NUMBER 22 BY COMMISSIONER SIPES.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
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YES.MOTION PASSES FOR A CONTINUANCE TO FOUR SIX.
UH, COMMISSIONER KM, IF YOU WOULD RETURN, PLEASE DO I SEE HIM.
IT APPEARS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER KAMATH HAS RETURNED.
MAY THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER KAMATH HAS REJOINED OUR MEETING AND STAFF.
IF WE COULD BEGIN WITH THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS, OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'RE STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER 23.
[23. 21-1997 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700020 HL (Council District 1)]
IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R RMM FOUR TO RMM FOUR HL.ALL OF OTHER OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT ONE 18 LOTUS AVENUE.
ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS OPPOSED, OR I'M SORRY, IS IN SUPPORT.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
SO, UM, I'M GLAD TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY.
I AM THE SCOUT OF STATE PROGRAM MANAGER AT THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND UM, THE CASE THAT'S BEFORE YOU IS FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF ONE 18 LOTUS.
UM, AND THIS DESIGNATION WAS INITIATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I HAVE A SLIDESHOW, IF YOU'LL GO TO MY SECOND SLIDE FOR ME.
UM, SO THE PROPERTY AT ONE 18 LOTUS IS A SINGLE STORY CLEAN.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER, GIBBONS, I'M NOT GETTING ANY VISUALS.
IF WE COULD GET THAT PRESENTATION UP.
HAY, IF YOU WOULD BEAR WITH US FOR ONE SECOND.
IT'S APPARENTLY A LOADING ISSUE, SO IT MAY TAKE A MOMENT IF WE COULD JUST, UH, TAKE A BRIEF PAUSE.
ACTUALLY COULD WE GO OFF THE RECORD FOR A SECOND? I COULD USE A, A QUICK BREAK IN ANY EVENT.
SO LET'S, UH, GO OFF THE RECORD AT THE TIME.
1226 IF WE COULD AIM TO BE BACK BY APPROXIMATELY 1230.
WE ARE OFF THE RECORD AT 1226.
JUST LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE TIME IS 1 32 ACCORDING TO MY CLOCK.
AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
HAY, WE WILL PROCEED ONCE WE GET COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW.
UH, THERE IS COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO, TO LOAD UP THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO IF WE COULD START ON SLIDE TWO, UM, I'LL GO FROM THERE.
UM, SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ONE 18 LOTUS.
IT IS A SINGLE STORY QUEEN AND STYLE RESIDENCE BUILT IN 1910.
UH, IT'S LOCATED IN THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE, AND IT IS INCLUDED IN THE SOUTH PRESA, SOUTH ST.
MARY'S NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
THE HOME ITSELF IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT IS A QUADRUPLET.
IT IS ONE OF FOUR PROPERTIES THAT ARE MIRROR IMAGES OF ONE ANOTHER ACROSS LOTUS STREET.
WE SUSPECT THAT THEY WERE ALL BUILT AT THE SAME TIME AND BY THE SAME CONTRACTOR.
AND, UM, UH, THESE WERE INTENDED TO BE, UM, RENTAL HOMES WHEN THEY WERE BUILT IN 1910, WHICH IS ANOTHER, UH, UNIQUE ASPECT OF THEIR HISTORY.
YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO ON OCTOBER 20TH OF LAST YEAR, THE LA BACA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THIS PROPERTY TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
UM, THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WAS THAT WAS HEARD BY THE H D R C ON NOVEMBER 4TH, AND H D R C AGREED THAT THE STRUCTURE IS ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AND RECOMMENDED THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN THE REZONING PROCESS.
UH, CITY COUNCIL HEARD THE CASE, UM, IN
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DECEMBER, ON DECEMBER 17TH, AND, UM, THEY DID DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN THE REZONING PROCESS ON, UH, ON THAT DATE.AND THE H D R C HEARD, UM, THE CASE ONCE MORE ON JANUARY 20TH, AGREEING WITH CITY COUNCIL THAT, UM, IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AND SHOULD BE DESIGNATED.
UM, I SHOULD POINT OUT HERE THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY WAS FOR SALE AND OWNERSHIP, UM, UH, DID CHANGE DURING THIS TIME.
UM, O H P HAS REACHED OUT TO THE NEW OWNER BUT HAS BEEN UNABLE TO CONTACT THEM AT THIS TIME.
SO, UM, THAT, UH, UM, EFFORT IS ONGOING.
I JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT THERE.
SO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION EVALUATED THE PROPERTY FOR ELIGIBILITY UNDER THE U D C SECTION 35 6 0 7 B.
UM, IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE AS A LANDMARK, UH, A PROPERTY MUST MEET THREE OF 16 CRITERIA.
AND SO THE THREE THAT THIS PROPERTY MET, UM, WERE NUMBER ONE AS AN INTACT EXAMPLE OF A FOLK VICTORIAN COTTAGE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN TYPICAL IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS JUST LIKE LAVACCA.
UM, NUMBER FIVE, UM, AS A, AN UNUSUALLY INTACT EXAMPLE.
SO WITH HIGH INTEGRITY THAT HAD NOT BEEN IMPACTED BY, UM, UH, RENOVATION OR MODIFICATION PRIOR TO SOME UNPERMITTED DEMOLITION THAT TOOK PLACE LAST YEAR.
AND, UH, FOR NUMBER 13, BECAUSE THIS, UM, PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON A BLOCK OF HOUSES WHICH ARE NEARLY ALL INTACT.
UM, AND FOR ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE OTHER THREE, UM, MEMBERS OF THIS LITTLE, LITTLE SET OF QUADRUPLETS HERE.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, UH, CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION, UM, IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND, UH, DIRECTING CITY STAFF TO INITIATE THESE ZONING CHANGES.
UM, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, UH, AND CITY COUNCIL BOTH FOUND THAT THE PROPERTY WAS ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THE OWNER PREVIOUS OR CURRENT PRESENT STAFF? UH, NO SIR.
WE HAVE MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS.
WE, WE WILL RELY ON, UH, O H P TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL RESPONSE AS TO, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT WE HAVE TRIED AND WE GET A, WE PUT A CALL IN AND IT JUST RINGS AND RINGS AND RINGS.
AND, AND IS THIS ALAMO CITY HOME BUYER INCORPORATED? IS THAT THE CURRENT OWNER OR IS THERE A NEW ONE STILL? STILL? WATER INVESTMENTS, L L C.
STILL WATER GROUP INVESTMENTS.
UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ALRIGHT, UH, IN THAT CASE, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, UH, FOR DR.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, WE'LL START WITH YOU.
HAY, HAD YOU TALKED TO THE OWNER OF THIS AT ANY TIME? UH, YES.
THE PREVIOUS OWNER WE DID HAVE, UM, CONVERSATIONS WITH, WE WERE IN TOUCH WITH THEM AND IN FACT, UM, WHEN WE HAD DIFFICULTY REACHING OUT TO THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER, WE, WE ACTUALLY DID REACH OUT TO THE PREVIOUS OWNER TO, TO TRY TO GET, UM, THEIR HELP IN REACHING THEM AS WELL.
SO IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NEW OWNER IS AWARE OF THIS PROCESS, UM, UH, GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
WHAT ALERTED YOU TO WANT TO, UH, BRING THIS CASE BEFORE ZONING TODAY? UM, THANKS FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.
SO, UH, THE CASE ORIGINATED AS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FROM THE LA VACA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
SO, UM, THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT TO O H P STAFF, UM, AND REQUESTED A HEARING BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT? UM, THAT DATE? EXCUSE ME JUST A SECOND.
SO WE RECEIVED THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW ON OCTOBER 20TH OF LAST YEAR.
AND WHEN DID THE NEW OWNER PURCHASE THE PROPERTY? I HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL ON EXACTLY WHEN THE PROPERTY CHANGED HANDS.
ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON, LET ME SEE IF BEHEAD GIVES A DEED AND IT SAYS MAY 29TH.
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YEAH, MAY 29TH OF LAST YEAR.AND LAVACA REACHED OUT TO YOU THEN AFTER THE PURCHASE OF THIS, WHEN DID THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S ALREADY STARTING SOME TYPE OF REMOVAL OF THE HOUSE OR REPAIR OF THE HOUSE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? UM, SO, UH, THAT, UH, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AS WELL.
THERE WAS SOME UNPERMITTED DEMOLITION ON BOTH THE FRONT AND THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, THERE WAS A PORCH REMOVED FROM THE FRONT AND THEN THERE WAS AN ADDITION REMOVED FROM THE REAR.
WHAT'S THE DATE OF THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE ON THE, ON THE SCREEN? UM, THAT PHOTO I BELIEVE WAS TAKEN, LEMME LOOK AT MY NOTES HERE.
WOULD'VE BEEN TAKEN PRIOR TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION HEARING IN NOVEMBER.
SO SOMETIME BETWEEN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE ALERTED WHEN IT LOOKED LIKE DEMOLITION WAS HAPPENING ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW, LET ME ASK YOU, DO, DO YOU PAY TAXES ON THIS PROPERTY? DO YOU OWN THIS PROPERTY PAY TAXES ON THIS PROPERTY? NO.
OBVIOUSLY
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE NOT AN OWNER, NOT AN OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, NOR DO YOU PAY TAXES, BUT YOU WANNA COME TO US AND REPRESENT SOME TYPE OF, OF, UH, SOMETHING, UH, SOME TYPE OF MOVEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY WHEN YOU, YOU OWN NEITHER.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO VOTE FOR YOU, THE NON-OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY? IS THERE ANY, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE COULD DO CONTINUANCE UNTIL HOWEVER MANY CONTINUANCES THAT IS, UNTIL THE OWNER CAN REPRESENT HIMSELF.
THAT'S KIND OF A NON-QUESTION.
UM, LET ME ASK YOU, BACK TO THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE.
YOU MENTIONED THAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT IS BUILT THE SAME TIME WITH THE SAME CONTRACTOR.
OF HOW MANY HOUSES ON THAT STREET? FOUR TOTAL? WOULD THAT BE THE TWO NEXT TO IT AND MAYBE TWO ACROSS THE STREET.
SO ONE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST AND THEN THE TWO TO THE NORTH THAT FACE IT UNLOADED.
HOW MANY OF THESE HISTORIC HOMES DO YOU NEED TO SAVE TO MAKE, DOES IT MATTER IF ONE GOES JUST COUNCIL FELT LIKE THIS ONE NEEDED TO BE DESIGNATED? I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER FOR YOU.
DO YOU KNOW WHY? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
I'M TRYING TO PROTECT THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO THIS PROPERTY.
SO, AND YOU'VE ALREADY GOT DESIGNATIONS ALREADY ON THAT STREET.
WHAT, WHAT IS IT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THEN BY, BY THIS ONE? SO, DESIGNATION WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, FOLLOW THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND RECEIVE APPROVAL BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION PRIOR TO MAKING CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME.
UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO MAKE THEM ELIGIBLE FOR TAX CREDIT THAT THEY CURRENTLY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR.
THAT'S NOT COMPENSATION, WHICH SHOULD BE DONE BY LAW.
WHAT ABOUT IF I GO DOWN LOES STREET, GUESS I'M GOING EAST AND THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME VERY CONTEMPORARY MODERN COMPLEXES DOWN THERE.
WERE THERE VICTORIAN HOMES SITTING THERE AT ONE TIME THAT WERE DEMOLISHED? UM, IT'S LIKELY THAT THERE WERE STRUCTURES THAT, UM, UH, WERE REMOVED AT ONE TIME WHERE THERE IS NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY.
SO, UM, BUT WITHOUT LOOKING INTO A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, I COULDN'T ANSWER, UM, THAT VERY ACCURATELY.
SO I'M GONNA TAKE THAT AS A YES.
THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER.
AND I OWE COMMISSIONER GR HOUSE AN APOLOGY FOR SKIPPING OVER HER CASE.
UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE TO YOU.
UM, I REALLY JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS, UM, ARE YOU, UM, WILLING TO ACCEPT AN A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL THE 20TH FOR THIS CASE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER? YEAH, I, UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER AND, UM, THAT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY, UM, A WISE STEP IN ORDER TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT
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MORE TIME FOR US TO, TO CONTINUE THAT OUTREACH AND TRY TO GET THEM, UM, ENGAGED WITH THIS PROCESS.OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WANT THAT AS WELL.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, STAFF.
I ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MYS OH, SORRY.
COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL START WITH YOU.
UM, I QUESTION FOR STAFF, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
SO WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS DESIGNATION PROCESS, WHAT STEPS DO YOU TAKE TO TRY TO CONTACT THE PROPERTY OWNER? IS THAT THROUGH REGISTERED MAIL OR JUST A LETTER OR JUST A PHONE CALL? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT EFFORTS YOU TAKE ON OUR END.
IT IS, UM, WE HAVE REACHED OUT, WELL, THE OFFICIAL REQUIREMENT IS NOTIFICATION IN THE MAIL.
IT'S NOT CERTIFIED MAIL, IT'S JUST REGULAR U SS P S.
UM, AND THEN, BUT WE ALSO MAKE AN EFFORT TO CONTACT THEM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE INFORMATION IN THE APPLICATION THROUGH EMAIL AND BY PHONE.
AND WE HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN THOSE ATTEMPTS AS WELL.
AND, UM, ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU MADE EFFORTS TO REACH THEM BY EMAIL OR PHONE? THREE SEPARATE ATTEMPTS AT TWO DIFFERENT CONTACT NUMBERS AND EMAIL.
AND, UH, ARE WE BASING IT ON THE ADDRESS THAT'S PROVIDED IN BCA OR WHICH ADDRESS ARE WE, WHICH ENTITY ARE WE TRYING TO CONTACT? IT'S THE BCA DATA WE HAVE.
SO YES, IT WOULD COME THROUGH, UH, FAIR APPRAISAL DISTRICT.
UH, THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS WHEN I'M LOOKING AT BCA RIGHT NOW, I'M, I'M SHOWING ALAMO CITY HOUSE BUYER AS THE MAILING ADDRESS.
ARE YOU USING THAT ADDRESS OR THE ONE THAT BELONGS TO THE STILLWELL GROUP? BOTH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? UH, AS I MENTIONED, I I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION AS WELL, WHICH IS STAFF.
HAS ANY PERMIT BEEN ATTEMPTED TO BE PULLED ON THIS PROPERTY FOR ANY PURPOSE SINCE, UH, THIS MAY 20TH, UH, SORRY, MAY 29TH.
2020 DATE? IF YOU KNOW, AND IF NOT, IF YOU COULD JUST LOOK IT UP FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
HAY, ARE YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT? I AM VERIFYING CURRENTLY THE LAST TIME I HAD CHECKED THERE WERE NO PERMITS PULLED FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, BUT I AM UM, MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UM, TO VERIFY THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
YEAH, IF YOU COULD CONFIRM IT FOR THE APRIL 20TH MEETING AS CLOSE AS, UH, REASONABLY POSSIBLE, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
OH, COMMISSIONER SIPES, THANKS.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY A QUESTION, BUT A QUESTION WAS RAISED OVER WHETHER THERE WERE PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE VICTORIAN HOMES ON THE SITE AT, UH, PRESA AND, UH, AND LOTUS THE INTERSECTION THERE.
AND IT APPEARS THAT THAT USED TO BE A, A GAS STATION BEFORE THOSE CURRENT RESIDENCES WERE BUILT.
THE GAS STATION WAS PROBABLY THERE AT LEAST 50 YEARS.
SO, UM, IN THE IMMEDIATE PATH THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THERE.
COMMISSIONER SIPES COMMISSIONERS.
IF NOT, WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AGAIN.
I'M MAKING A MOTION FOR ITEM 23 FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE, UH, APRIL 20TH MEETING.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH FROM COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? I, I THINK I MAKE MYSELF VERY CLEAR ON HOW I FEEL ABOUT SOME OF THESE CASES, BUT UNTIL THAT OWNER, UH, THAT PROPERTY SHOWS UP AND IS AND MAKES HIS CASE WEAK, I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS COMES BEFORE ZONING.
UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, YOU DO NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY.
YOU'RE NOT EVEN COMPENSATING THE MAN FOR THE PROPERTY TAKING.
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BECAUSE YOU'RE REQUESTING CERTAIN CRITERIA ON A HOUSE, UH, DESIGN THAT WASN'T THERE WHEN HE PURCHASED IT.SO UNTIL THAT PROPERTY OWNER SHOWS UP, AND I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON DR.
I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN EVEN HEARING THIS CASE UNTIL THAT TIME, BUT IT GOES THE WAY THAT IT GOES.
AND PERHAPS ON THE APRIL 20TH, DR.
HAYES, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER WHITE MOTION PASSES NINE TO ZERO FOR A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH.
AND UNTIL WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WHITE APPEAR AGAIN, I DO NOT SEE HIM.
SO IF THE RECORD FOR REFLECT THAT HE IS, UH, NO LONGER PRESENT IN THE MEETING, I'D APPRECIATE IT IS ONE 50.
IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE.
[1. 21-1978 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700144 (Council District 5)]
ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO I E Z TWO WITH USE OF PERMITTED FOR 20 UNITS ALL OVER OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.LOCATED AT SIX 11 ORIENTAL AVENUE.
42 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR.
ZERO OR SORRY, TWO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION.
NO RESPONSE WAS RECEIVED FROM SAN JUAN GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
COLLINS GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED.
AND A PETITION WITH 24 SIGNATURES OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION.
THE EXISTING R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE EXISTING R FIVE ALLOWS FOR ONE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT WITH AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, IF THE PROPERTY IS OWNER OCCUPIED, THE PROPOSED I D Z IS SUITABLE TO THE AREA AND PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS WITH A CONSIDERATION FOR 20 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.
THE REQUEST IS LIMITED TO THE SITE PLAN WITH A MAXIMUM OF FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT AND A REQUIRED FIVE FOOT PERIMETER SETBACK.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, BUT THE APPLICANT WILL BE AMENDING THEIR REQUEST.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT? MAY I BEGIN? YES, PLEASE.
PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH THIS CASE.
IT'S, IT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED.
UH, THE, THE SUBDIVISION AROUND IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT IN THE THIRTIES AND FORTIES.
UM, WE'VE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH 29 UNITS.
WE HAVE SINCE AMENDED THAT DOWN TO 15 UNITS TOTAL FOR THE PROPERTY.
THEY WILL ALL BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH DRIVEWAYS, TWO CARS, PARKING FOR TWO CARS ON EACH, ON EACH LOT.
I BELIEVE THIS MEETS MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS.
THE OPPOSITION LETTER WAS ORIGINATED BACK WHEN WE STARTED WITH 29 UNITS, WHICH WAS PROBABLY A LOT FOR THIS, THIS PROPERTY, IT'S ONLY 1.2 ACRES, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THE 15 UNITS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA AND MORE IN, IN TUNE WITH WHAT'S EXISTING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR.
UH, IN THAT CASE, MR. CHRISTENSEN, IT'S GOING TO COME TO ME AS THIS IS A, UH, DISTRICT FIVE CASE.
UM, MR. CHRISTENSEN, ARE YOU GOING TO, UH, FORMALLY AMEND YOUR REQUEST? AND MAY I ASK YOU TO DO THAT? YES.
SO I'M AMENDING MY INITIAL REQUEST, WHICH WAS FOR I D Z TWO AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 29 UNITS.
I'M AMENDING THE CASE AND I'VE SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN TO STAFF FOR NO MORE THAN 15 UNITS.
AND ID Z ONE THE ID Z ONE I THINK WILL ALLEVIATE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HEIGHT THAT WERE RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT.
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UNITS ID Z ONE.UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THIS TIME, GIVEN THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, UH, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS AMENDED FOR I D Z ONE WITH 15 UNITS.
UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED FOR 15 UNITS.
A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES.
I I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, UM, WITH, UH, BY GOING DOWN TO 15 UNITS.
THAT'S ALMOST AN R FOUR DESIGNATION.
IF, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, AND CONSIDERING THERE'S R FOUR ON THE, THE SAME STREET AND IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD FIT.
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY FURTHER? COMMISSIONER, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE? UH, NONE.
I HAVE TO SAY I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SIPES.
UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE HOPE IN, IN GETTING TO THIS POINT WAS TO KEEP IT IN LINE WITH THE COMMUNITY WHILE AT THE SAME TIME SORT OF EFFECTUATING THE PURPOSE BEHIND I D Z, UH, WHICH IS TO TAKE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED HISTORICALLY AND GET THEM DEVELOPED.
UH, SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
MOTION PASSES AS AMENDED TO IDZ ONE WITH 15 UNITS BY A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO.
IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE.
[5. 21-1982 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700287 (Council District 7)]
FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO MF 18.GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 11,000 BLOCK OF BRON ROAD.
50 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR.
UH, OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER WAS RECEIVED IN SUPPORT AND ONE OUTSIDE THE BUFFER WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION.
THE CURRENT R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED MF 18 IS ALSO APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA AND WILL PROVIDE A DIVERSE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE FOR THE AREA.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? I BELIEVE THE, A GOOD AFTERNOON AVAILABLE.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR.
THIS IS EMILY WEISER WITH KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN.
UM, STAFF, IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND START WITH SLIDE TWO OF THE PRESENTATION.
UM, AS STAFF MENTIONED IN THEIR SUMMARY, UM, THE PROPERTY IS JUST UNDER SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES WITH FRONTAGE ON BRAUN ROAD, UM, EAST OF SISON FIELD.
THERE IS A LARGE SWATH OF LAND IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US, UM, THAT IS ALSO OWNED BY MR. NICHOLS WHO IS HERE WITH ME.
HE'S THE PROPERTY OWNER AND DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, THAT TELLS THE LOCKWOOD BROUGHT OAK CAMPGROUND AND NATURAL AREA.
UM, BUT THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY ALL WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT FEATURES SOME REALLY GREAT NATURAL FEATURES, RESOURCES, UM, AND IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE COMMUNITY AMENITY FOR THIS AREA.
ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTY IS JUST OVER SEVEN ACRES, IT IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY UNIQUE SHAPE THAT REQUIRES A UNIQUE AND CREATIVE APPROACH TO SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
UM, VIA THIS M MS 18 ZONING REQUEST.
UH, SLIDE THREE IS JUST A ZOOMED OUT AERIAL TO PROVIDE SOME GEOGRAPHICAL CONTEXT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE WEST OF 1604 AND LESLIE ROAD ALMOST INTO HELO.
UM, THIS PROPERTY WASN'T ANNEXED INTO THE CITY UNTIL 2002.
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VULCAN QUARRY IS TORN NORTH.AND THEN, UH, DEAN KRUGER ELEMENTARY IS ALL THE WAY TO OURSELF.
UH, THIS CASE HAS BEEN CONTINUED A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST TO ENSURE ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH THE ADJACENT H O A, WHICH IS THE ENCLAVE AT LAUREL CANYONS.
UH, MR. NIAL AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN IN REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, AS WELL AS THE LAUREL CANYONS, H O A BOARD.
WE PRESENTED TO THEM FORMALLY JUST UNDER TWO WEEKS AGO.
UH, THERE WE WERE ABLE TO ANSWER A TON OF QUESTIONS.
DISCUSS THE LAND PLAN FOR THIS SITE.
RESOLVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONCERNS AND, AND GARNER SOME SUPPORT.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R FOUR.
UM, WE ARE ADJACENT TO R M FOUR, UM, AND THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS FOR MF 18 TO FACILITATE A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITHIN A CONDO REGIME.
SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK AND FEEL LIKE A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THE DIFFERENCE BEING MORE OR LESS TRANSACTIONAL WITH THE HOMES FOR SALE, THE LAND UNDERNEATH OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY A COLLECTIVE ASSOCIATION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, GIVEN THIS SITE'S PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS, SHAPE SIZE, ORIENTATION, THE PROPOSED M F 18 OFFERS THE ABILITY TO FLEXIBLY AND CREATIVELY ORIENT A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT PROVIDES MAXIMUM SEPARATION FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES IN LAUREL CANYONS, UM, AS WELL, UM, WHERE WE ADJOIN MERIT FIELDS, AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE SOME AMPLE GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, UH, WHICH DOES CONNECT TO MR. CAN, UH, MR. NICHOLS CAMPGROUND SITE NEXT DOOR.
SO THERE IS A OVERALL COHESIVE EXPERIENCE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THE ADJACENT CAMPGROUND.
THE MINIMAL WIDTH AND UNUSUAL SHAPE OF THIS SITE REALLY DOES RESTRICT AGAINST, UM, ANY REALISTIC DEVELOPMENT OF TRADITIONAL APARTMENTS VIA THE MF 18 DESIGNATION PROPOSED TODAY.
UM, BUT IT DOES FACILITATE A LIMITED DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UM, WHICH CONTINUES TO IMPROVE THE OVERALL HOUSING STOCKS AND DIVERSITY OF HOUSING OPTIONS HERE IN THIS PART OF DISTRICT SEVEN.
IF WE CAN MOVE TO SLIDE FIVE, PLEASE.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE WEST SECTOR PLAN, UM, AS DESIGNATED SUBURBAN TIER.
UH, THE M MS 18 REQUEST IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE PLAN DESIGNATION.
UM, IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE RMM FOUR TO THE EAST AND OUR R FOUR TO THE WEST, UM, BUT IT ALSO SATISFIES THREE MAJOR HOUSING GOALS IN THE WEST SECTOR PLAN, UM, TO INCLUDING HOUSING STOCK, DISTRIBUTION OF DENSITY, HOUSING TYPE PRICE, AND RANGES FACILITATION OF NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT NEAR EXISTING COMMUNITY FACILITIES SUCH AS THE CAMPGROUND IN BALL FIELDS NEARBY, AS WELL AS SCHOOLS AND PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THIS BROAD ROAD FRONTAGE.
SLIDE SIX, SORRY, SLIDE SEVEN PLEASE.
UH, SLIDE SEVEN SHOWS AN EXAMPLE RENDERING OF THE PRODUCT TYPE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO STORIES, TWO CAR DRIVEWAYS, GARAGE SPACE, UM, THESE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH WILL BE COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO MANY OF THE, THE EXISTING HOMES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BEING SMALLER YARDS, WHICH IS ATTRACTIVE TO MANY DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS.
UM, MY HUSBAND INCLUDED, UH, WE ANTICIPATE PRICING TO BE IN THE MID TWO HUNDREDS.
UM, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS WILL DEFINITELY LOOK AND FEEL LIKE A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY, BUT ADDS A SLIGHT MIX TO THE AVAILABLE HOUSING TYPE, UM, WHICH IS REALLY CRITICAL FOR THIS PART OF WEST SAN ANTONIO THAT IS GROWING AND CONTINUES TO GROW VERY RAPIDLY.
UM, THIS IS OUR LAST SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS OUR LAND PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE A TOTAL OF 59 HOMES HERE WITH AMPLE GREEN SPACE SPREAD THROUGHOUT.
UH, THERE IS AN INTERIOR ROAD THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, COMING FROM BRAUN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT THERE IS ALSO GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE, UM, BEFORE THOSE HOMES WHERE WE ADJOINED MERIT FIELDS, UM, AND WE HAVE VERY DISTINCTLY INTENTIONALLY PLACED THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOLLOWED BY THE HOMES TO CREATE THE MAXIMUM SEPARATION FROM THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENCES.
UM, AND AS THE POINT OF REFERENCE ON THE LAND PLAN, THE NARROWEST SPOT OF GREEN SPACE WHERE WE ADJOIN MERRIT FIELD, UM, IS ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 FEET WIDE.
SO THERE IS STILL SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING AND SEPARATION FROM THOSE BACKYARD FENCES, UM, TO THE NEAREST ELM, UM, IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE CONCENTRATED OVER HALF OF THE HOMES, UM, ON THIS LAND PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE OVER HALF OF THE HOMES ARE ON THE BROAD ROAD SIDE.
SO WE'VE REALLY PUSHED THE QUOTE UNQUOTE DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT, UM, AWAY FROM THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENCES.
UM, WE DO SYMPATHIZE AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT SEVERAL FOLKS IN LAUREL CANYONS WERE SOLD THEIR HOMES UNDER THE
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PREMISE OF THIS PROPERTY BEING A GREEN BELT.UM, WE HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS, AND WE KNOW THAT IT HAPPENS.
UM, BUT WE'VE TAKEN SIGNIFICANT MEASURES, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS LAND PLAN TO PROVIDE AS MUCH BUFFERING AND SEPARATION AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO REALLY LIMIT DENSITY.
UM, THIS IS LESS THAN 18 UNITS AN ACRE, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN 18 UNITS AN ACRE, BUT, UM, IT REALLY IS A THOUGHTFUL, UH, RESERVED CONSERVATIVE DESIGN FOR THIS PROPERTY, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE KEPT THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENCES IN MIND.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT STEP IS WHERE IN THE PROCESS IS WHERE WE REVIEW TRAFFIC IMPACT, UM, AND WORK WITH THE CITY TO DETERMINE ANY MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS.
WE WILL COMPLY WITH ALL OF THOSE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY, PARTICULARLY WHERE WE ACCESS, UM, IN AND OUT OF BRO ROAD.
UM, IT COULD BE A MYRIAD OF THINGS, UM, BUT WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY DIRECTLY, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING TRAFFIC HERE ON BROWN ROAD.
UH, PREEMPTIVELY THOUGH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW PARKING SPACES.
UM, AND THAT WAS DONE VERY INTENTIONALLY, UM, FOR THOSE NEW RESIDENCES.
UM, HOPEFULLY ONE DAY WE CAN HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY OVER INTO OUR HOMES AND, AND CELEBRATE THINGS TOGETHER.
UM, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD SOME OVERFLOW PARKING TO NOT CREATE ANY OVERFLOW PARKING SITUATION IN THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY.
SO THAT WAY WE HAVE THIS PLAN ALLOWS FOR AT LEAST 40 EXTRA PARKING SPACES, UM, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF PEOPLE'S HOMES.
SO WE'VE DONE THAT VERY, VERY DISTINCTLY.
UM, IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, UM, IN, IN YOUR VIEW.
UM, BUT ABOUT FOUR ACRES OF THE SITE WILL CONSIST OF THE HOMES THEMSELVES WITH ANOTHER ACRE AND A HALF FOR THE INTERNAL RIGHT OF WAY, BUT ALMOST TWO ACRES OF OPEN SPACE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THIS PLAN.
SO BETWEEN THE 59 HOMES, 40 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT AND VERY AMPLE GREEN SPACE, WE THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY PROMISING, WELL, WELL THOUGHT OUT DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS UNUSUAL, DIFFICULT PIECE OF LAND TO, TO PLAN FOR.
AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE HAVE CONTINUED THIS CASE SEVERAL TIMES TO WORK WITH THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY.
UM, ALMOST ALL, IF ALMOST ALL, IF NOT ALL OF THE RESPONSES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, IN OPPOSITION ARE FROM WELL OVER TWO MONTHS AGO.
UM, AND WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS AND HAVE MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS SINCE THEN, UM, INCLUDING OUR PRESENTATION AT THEIR IN-PERSON MEETING JUST TWO WEEKS AGO.
STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
UM, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS REQUEST TODAY.
UH, MYSELF AND MR. NICHOLS ARE HERE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. WEISLER, UM, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR, WE DO HAVE SOME VOICEMAIL.
THE CASE NUMBER IS Z AS IN ZEBRA, ZEBRA, 2 0 2 0 7 0 0 2 8 7.
UM, MY HOME ADDRESS IS TEN EIGHT TWO SEVEN MERRIFIELD.
I AM IN THE 200 FOOT, UH, ZONING RESTRICTIONS.
I APOLOGIZE FIRST FOR THE LATE NOTIFICATION.
I RECEIVED THIS BY WORD OF MOUTH YESTERDAY AT AROUND 5:00 PM AND DIDN'T GET THE EMAIL TILL ABOUT 10 30.
I ALSO SENT AN EMAIL, UM, BUT BASICALLY IT'S JUST NEIGHBORS TELLING NEIGHBORS AT THIS POINT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO OPPOSE THE ZONING ON THIS FOR TWO REASONS.
UM, I HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ON HOW THIS SUBDIVISION OR THIS ZONING AREA IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS BRAUN IF, UM, IF THERE'S STUDIES ALREADY FOR THE ROAD, YOU KNOW THAT THIS ROAD IS HIGHLY CONGESTED EVERY MOR EXCUSE ME, EVERY MORNING.
UM, AND I DON'T SEE HOW ADDING 200 OR 100 EXTRA CARS TO THIS ROAD OR HAVING A HIGH DENSITY ZONING IS IN ANY WAY GONNA WORK WITH THIS, WITH THIS ROAD.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, I NOTICED THAT MOST OF THE HEAVY USERS, THERE'S A CONCRETE COMPANY LIKE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON BRAUN, THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THIS NOTIFICATION.
UM, AND THEY HAVE 18 WHEELERS.
AND I MEAN, THIS IS A PRETTY BIG TRAFFIC ISSUE OF HOW THIS IS GONNA BE ZONED, AND I HONESTLY HAVE NOT SEEN A SINGLE PIECE OF DATA OR ANY CONSIDERATION TO THE TRAFFIC AND TO HOW THIS IS GONNA BE DEVELOPED.
SECOND, UM, ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT IN NO WAY HAVE I SEEN ANY OF THIS, ANYTHING LOCKED DOWN ON WHAT ACTUALLY IS BEING BUILT.
ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS AND EVERYONE THAT HAS RECEIVED, UM, PICTURES OF THESE BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND THESE CONDOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT.
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THERE ARE TWO STORY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.I LIVE AT 1 0 8 3 0 MONROE FIELD.
THIS IS REGARDING ZONING CASE 1 0 7 0 0 2 8 7.
UM, BACK ON MARCH THE THIRD, UH, DURING A, UH, H O A MEETING, EMILY WISER STATED THERE WAS GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THEY HAD BEEN MOVED TO MARCH THE 16TH.
UH, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY HAD NOT BEEN POSTED AND IT WAS PUBLIC HEARINGS WERE NOT SENT TO, UH, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE TENTATIVE CALENDAR ON MARCH 8TH, I CALLED THE CITY PLANNER, ARIAN THA WITH CONCERNS ABOUT A POSSIBLE THREE 16 MEETING BECAUSE RESIDENTS IN THE BUFFER HAD NOT BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS PUBLIC MEETING.
MARCH 9TH, SHE SENT ME A DIGITAL COPY, WHICH WAS EMAILED.
UM, AS OF YESTERDAY, MARCH THE 15TH, I POSTED AN ONLINE POLL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGE ASKING IF ANYBODY RECEIVED A ZONING CHANGE AS OF EIGHT O'CLOCK THIS MORNING.
IT SAID THEY HAD NOT RECEIVED A NOTICE FOR THE, THE CHANGE ON THE DATE OF THREE 16 AND ZERO PEOPLE REPLIED, YES.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, TAKING PLA A PUBLIC MEETING TAKING PLACE WITHOUT, UM, THE PUBLIC BEING NOTIFIED THAT THE 200, THE APPROXIMATELY 50 PEOPLE IN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER ZONE, UM, I PROPOSED AN EIGHT FOOT STONE OR MASONARY FENCE ALONG A PORTION OF THE BOUNDARY THAT ADJOINS MR. NICHOLS PROPERTY TO THE 14 HOMES IN LAUREL CANYON, AS WELL AS CANOPY TREES PLANTED EVERY 25 FEET.
THAT'S A TOTAL DISTANCE, ABOUT 750 FEET, WHICH IS A SMALL PORTION OF HIS BORDER AROUND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
MR. NICHOLS STATED THE MASONARY FENCE IS TOO EXPENSIVE.
WE DISCUSSED THE HYBRID FENCE THAT THE AESTHETICS MATCH THE FENCE MATERIALS USED ALONG ASYLUM, UH, WHICH IS IN LAUREL CANYON.
I SUGGESTED AN OPTION OF BRICK PILLARS AND WOOD TICKETS, AND HE SAID HE WOULD CHECK ON PRICING, BUT HAS NEVER RESPONDED BACK TO OUR REQUEST.
MR. NICHOLS IS PITCHING THE TYPE AND STYLE OF HOMES TO US, YET HE HAS NO BUILDER.
WHEN A PUD WAS SUGGESTED DURING THE H O A MEETING, MR. NICHOLS STATED THAT WOULD NOT WORK, AND IT FORCES HIM TO FOLLOW THE PARAMETERS, AND HE NEEDS MORE FLEXIBILITY AND CHANGES THAT HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ALONG THE WAY.
UH, WE AS THE CITIZENS WERE GREATLY CONCERNED THAT MR. NICHOL, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S ALL THE COMMENT WE HAVE.
UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT SEVEN CASE COMMISSIONER SIPES.
AND, UH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS, UH, BOTH FOR, UH, EMILY AND FOR UH, STAFF.
UM, AND I'LL START WITH STAFF JUST TO ASK WHAT, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UM, TYPE OF ZONING THAT WOULD WORK IN ORDER TO GUARANTEE YOU MIGHT SAY A SINGLE FAMILY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? SOMETHING OTHER THAN MF 18? I MEAN, WOULD, CONSIDERING THE, THE TRULY WEIRD SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY, WOULD, WOULD AN I D Z TYPE OF ZONING EVEN WORK OUT THERE? NOT THAT'S 10 MILES FROM THE CENTER BECAUSE OF THE STYLE THAT THEY'RE DOING.
THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS THE MF 18.
SO MF 18 IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE, OKAY.
UM, DUE TO THE, UH, CONDO OWNERSHIP PER LOT.
AND, UM, I THOUGHT I SAW A, UM, ON THE PRESENTATION EITHER BY, I THINK IT WAS BY THE STAFF, UM, SHOWING THE FLOODPLAIN.
IS IS, IS THAT AVAILABLE, IS LIKE WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN, I MEAN, I'M, I'M ASSUMING IT'S THAT SLIGHTLY LIGHT HATCHED AREA RIGHT THERE.
PART OF IT DOES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
THERE'S A FRINGE OF IT THERE ON THE OUTSIDE THE, UH, EDGE.
WHICH WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM BRAUN ROAD.
UM, AND I GUESS THE QUESTIONS FOR EMILY, COULD YOU EXPLAIN PERHAPS, UM, A WAY TO, TO ENSURE THAT, UM, CONSIDERING SOME OF THE, THE, THE CONCERNS RAISED BY HOMEOWNERS ABOUT CHANGING OF BUILDERS TO ENSURE THAT THAT, UM, WHAT THEY'VE SEEN IS, IS WHAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE BUILT? YES.
SO, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ALREADY.
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CASE ORIGINATED, UM, WITH CHES MA AS THE BUILDER, UM, AND IT WAS MADE EXPLICITLY CLEAR BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY WERE NOT, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF CHES MA A PRODUCT HERE.UM, AND SO WE TOOK THAT INTO VERY SERIOUS CONSIDERATION, UM, AND, UM, HAVE, HAVE MOVED ON SINCE.
UM, THIS IS AN OBVIOUSLY DIFFICULT SITE TO WORK WITH.
UM, BUT WE ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE, UM, TO FINALIZING, UH, THE NEW BUILDER.
UM, I DID INCLUDE A RENDERING, UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS REALLY ACCURATE, UH, FOR THE PRODUCT TYPE THAT WE'RE GOING FOR HERE, UM, FROM THE BUILDER.
UM, SO WE'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO SECURING, TO BEING ABLE TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THAT BUILDER.
UM, I, I, I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, THE, THE DIFFICULTIES INVOLVING CONTRACTS AND SUCH, UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN VERY UPFRONT WITH THE COMMUNITY, TAKEN EVERY ONE OF THEIR, UM, REQUEST AND CONSIDERATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY TO HEART, UM, AND HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
MR. NICHOLS HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, TALKED OVER FENCE LINES, UH, FOR WEEKS NOW WITH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND WE PRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, TO, WITH THIS PRODUCT TYPE, UM, AND ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO FINALIZING THAT BUILDER.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY, UM, AS WELL AS YOURSELF AND THE COMMISSION, UM, CAN FEEL VERY SECURE THAT THIS, UH, PRODUCT TYPE THAT WE'VE PRESENTED TODAY.
UM, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE PRESENTED TODAY, THIS PLAN, UM, IS, IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD IS SET IN STONE.
AND, AND COULD YOU ALSO ADDRESS, UH, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF THE CALLERS ON, ON MITIGATION POSSIBILITIES? YEAH, SO THERE ARE, THERE, THERE'S AN A MYRIAD OF THINGS.
UM, AND THAT COMES REALLY IN THE NEXT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH THIS SITE AND THE CONFIGURATION THAT WE'VE PLANNED, THAT'S REALLY A, A MAXIMUM OF 59 HOMES.
UM, BUT UM, IT COULD VERY WELL BE LESS THAN 59.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY COMFORTABLE NUMBER FOR US.
UM, SO THAT TECHNICALLY FALLS UNDER THE THRESHOLD FOR A T I A, BUT, UM, IN THE PLOTTING STAGES, UM, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.
UM, IT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, A DESAL LANE OR RIDE IN RIDE OUT ONLY.
UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, TO HELP CONTROL THE TRAFFIC.
UH, BRON ROAD IS A 15,000 TRIP, UH, CAPACITY ROAD.
SO THERE IS PLENTY OF CAPACITY HERE ON BRON ROAD FOR 60 ADDITIONAL CARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT, WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT EVERY HOME, UH, OWNER HAS, UH, MORE THAN ONE VEHICLE, BUT, UM, WE DO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AND WE'LL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A TRAFFIC SITUATION ON BRA THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, OTHER DRIVERS, THE NEARBY RESIDENCES, ET CETERA.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THIS TIME HERE.
COMMISSIONER SIPES, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, COULD YOU PUT BACK THE SLIDE OF THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE STREET AND THE HOUSES ON THERE? MY CONCERN IS AT THE, AT THE BACK END OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO MY CONCERN IS THIS BACK END OF THE, UH, DEVELOP OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU HAVE HOUSES THAT BACK UP TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT AND EX WAS GOING TO BE A GREEN BELT FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES LIVING THERE.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT PECULIAR AND I WOULD BE A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT I'VE GOT A STREET IN THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND NOW I HAVE A STREET IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSE.
WHY DID YOU PUT THE HOUSES OR THE, THE LOTS? WHY DID YOU DO THE DESIGN THAT WAY? EMILY? UM, AND I WILL, I WILL LET MR. NICHOLS IS HERE WITH ME, ALSO CHIME IN.
UM, BUT THAT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE TO PROVIDE FURTHER SEPARATION FROM THE HOMES, UM, DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS ALWAYS A CONCERN, UM, WITH A GREEN BELT PROPERTY THAT YOU KNOW THAT SOMEONE'S BEEN SOLD, YOU KNOW, THEIR HOME AND THEY THINK THE BACKYARD
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BEHIND THEM IS A GREEN BELT, BUT THEY DON'T WANT SOMEONE ELSE RIGHT UP BEHIND THEM.AND SO THERE IS, LIKE I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM OF ABOUT EIGHT FEET, EIGHT TO 10 FEET IN THE NARROWEST POINT, BUT THERE'S GREEN SPACE BEHIND THEM.
AND THEN THE ROAD AND THE HOMES, UM, I THINK MR. NICHOL WILL CHIME IN, UM, RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
AFTERNOON COMMISSIONER, THIS IS JAMES.
SO INITIALLY WE ACTUALLY LAID THIS OUT WITH THE HOMES ABUTTING THE FENCE LINE TO MERRILL FIELD IN LAUREL CANYON.
AND AFTER INITIAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FROM SOME NEIGHBORS, THEY ACTUALLY ASKED US TO MOVE THEM FURTHER AWAY AND FLIP IT.
WE HAD THE ROAD GOING ON THE BACKSIDE WITH THE HOUSES UP AGAINST THE FENCE.
AND AFTER NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK, WE WENT BACK TO THE ENGINEERS AND I PAID THEM MORE TO CHANGE THE DRAWING.
AND, UH, SO THIS WAS DONE WITH DIRECT NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK AND INPUT, AND WE PUT AS MUCH GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE ROAD EVEN AND THE FENCE LINE AS POSSIBLE.
UH, AS EMILY SAID, THERE'S ABOUT 40 FEET AT, AT THE WIDE POINT BETWEEN THOSE HOUSES AND THE STREET AND THE NARROWEST POINT, IT'S ABOUT EIGHT FEET BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE FENCE.
UH, IT DOESN'T SHOW REALLY WELL ON THIS LITTLE DRAWING BECAUSE OF SCALE, BUT, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A NICE BUFFER IN THERE.
AND WE ARE TREE CENTRIC DEVELOPERS, AND SO WE WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PLANT A BUNCH MORE.
SO THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE EXISTING THERE FOR LET'S SAY 10 YEARS, PROBABLY HAD A BUFFER IN THEIR BACKYARD.
NOW THEY WON'T HAVE A BUFFER, BUT THE NEW HOMES THAT YOU'RE BUILDING PROPOSING, AND THIS IS THIS BACKEND, THEY WILL HAVE A BUFFER.
SO YOU'RE TAKING AWAY WHAT WAS THE BUFFER TO THE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, GIVING IT TO YOUR NEW NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEIR BACKYARD BACKS UP TO ALL TREES AND, AND, AND, UH, LIFE BACK THERE.
UM, HOW MUCH BACKYARD IS IN THOSE HOUSES THAT BACK UP TO THAT GREEN BELT NOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE BUILDING? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? IT'S ABOUT 30 FEET FOR THOSE, THOSE BACKYARDS.
UH, I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS LOWER THIS PORTION OF YOUR DESIGN.
I DO, I JUST DON'T, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
YOU TOOK AWAY A GREEN BELT BUFFER AND, UM, OF COURSE YOU WOULD TAKE AWAY THE GREEN BELT BUFFER EITHER WAY.
BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE A HOUSE BACKED UP TO A HOUSE, THEN THERE'S A ROAD, AND THEN THERE ARE HOUSES THAT WERE BACKED UP TO THE GREEN SPACE.
UH, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THERE BEING A ROAD IN THE FRONT AND A ROAD IN THE BACK OF THESE PEOPLES.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ONCE IT'S BUILT.
SO IT'S JUST THAT LOWER PORTION THAT DOESN'T EXCITE ME.
AND THAT'S HALF YOUR PROJECT, YOU SAID 59 HOMES? CORRECT.
SO THAT'S 23 HOMES RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S LIKE HALF YOUR PROJECT.
UM, I WOULD'VE KEPT THE DESIGN WITH THE HOUSES BACKING UP TO THE, THE OTHER HOUSES, BUT I'LL WAIT TILL YOUR OTHER DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, LIKE MR. NICHOLS SAID, UM, THAT WAS A, A DIRECT RESULT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE FOLKS ALONG MERRIFIELD.
UM, WE, WE ARE KEEPING AS MUCH OF A GREEN SPACE BUFFER BEHIND, BEHIND THEIR HOMES.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE WAY THE, THE SITE, UH, WITH THE WAY THE PARCEL IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME HAVE A BIT LESS THAN OTHERS.
UM, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO, TO REALLY ACCOMMODATE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO KEEP AS MUCH GREEN SPACE, UM, TREES BACK THERE, UM, TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THEIR PRIVACY AND THAT THAT BUFFER BACK THERE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT THAT ROAD PLACEMENT, UM, AS MR. NICHOLS SAID, WAS A, A DIRECT RESULT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE RESIDENCES.
UM, WE ADDED, WELL, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE A, SOME RECORD OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS IF, IF IT DOESN'T PASS TODAY.
I THINK ONE OF THE APPLICANTS THAT CALLED IN, OR ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT CALLED IN WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FENCE LINE, HAD AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONVERSATION AND THE TRANSPARENCY.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? I THINK HE WAS, MAYBE THIS WAS ONE OF HIS HOUSE BACKS UP TO THE GREEN BELT AND HE WAS ASKING FOR A DIFFERENT FENCE, IF THAT'S THE CASE, HAD ANYONE ASKED FOR, UH, BETTER FENCING, UM, THAT BACKS UP TO THIS LOWER PORTION OF IT? HEY, COMMISSIONER, THIS IS JAMES AGAIN.
YEAH, WE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE, UH, HOMEOWNERS.
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UH, SOME OF THEM WERE GETTING READY TO REDO THEIR FENCES, UM, LAST YEAR DURING THE COVID LOCKDOWN.AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I OWNED THE ADJOINING ADJOINING PRO ADJOINING PROPERTY AND, UH, WE HIKED THE TRAILS BACK THERE AND WORK ALONG THERE QUITE A BIT, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.
AND WHEN I COME UPON SOMEONE WORKING ON THEIR FENCE OR GETTING READY TO, I SUGGESTED TO A COUPLE 'EM, I SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THIS.
MAYBE WE CAN WORK A THING OUT.
WE'LL, UH, REBUILD YOUR FENCES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND IT EVOLVED INTO A CONVERSATION.
UM, WILLIAM COX WAS THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED HE WANTS A 10 FOOT MASONRY WALL, UH, BETWEEN LAUREL CANYON AND, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE ECONOMICS OF THAT ARE NOT REALLY FEASIBLE FOR THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
UH, I SUGGESTED, UH, JUST A REGULAR HIGHER WOOD FENCE, AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO THAT.
WE WANT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO LOOK NICE.
WE WANT HOMES TO SELL AND WE WANT, UH, EVERYBODY TO LIKE WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.
AND TO DO THAT, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY IN WHAT THAT FENCE LINE LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE'VE GOT A BUDGET FOR THAT.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE FENCES RIGHT NOW? UM, I DON'T BACK UP TO A GREEN BELT.
I BACK UP TO A, WELL, I GUESS IT'S A SLIGHT GREEN BELT, SO I DON'T HAVE A PRIVACY, I HAVE AN KIND OF AN OPEN FENCE.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE THEY'RE ALL PRIVACY RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE ALL SIX FOOT CEDAR PICKETS.
SO THEY HAVE A
THEY HAVE A GREEN BELT, BUT THEY HAVE A SIX FOOT PRIVACY BEDS.
I MEAN, I WOULD A LITTLE MORE, YEAH.
UH, THAT, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER SIPES.
WELL, UM, I HATE SAYING THIS AFTER EVERY CASE, IT SEEMS THAT COMES INTO MY DISTRICT.
THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE, BUT IT, THIS SITE IS, IS JUST SO UNUSUALLY SHAPED.
UM, THE LAST TIME I SAW A SITE LIKE THIS, IT ENDED UP THAT THE DEVELOPER ENDED UP GIVING IT TO, UH, WE ENDED UP DEVELOPING IT AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY JUST BECAUSE RESIDENTIAL DIDN'T WORK.
BUT THAT'S, I, UH, GERMANE TO THE CONVERSATION.
UM, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE NEIGHBORS ARE COMING FROM WITH THAT.
THEY WERE SOLD THAT THIS WAS A GREEN BELT, HOWEVER, THAT THEY DON'T OWN THIS PROPERTY.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WERE ALWAYS ENTITLED TO HAVE A GREEN BELT VIEW FOR, FOR, UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, UM, WE SEE THAT A LOT WHERE, WHERE, UH, RESIDENTS WILL COME AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS WAS GONNA ALWAYS BE FORCED TO LAND.
WELL, YES, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN SET IN STONE THAT THAT WAS GONNA ALWAYS BE FORESTED LAND.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE.
UM, MY STRUGGLES WITH THIS ARE THAT THE DESIGN IS NOT SET IN STONE YET.
UM, THE MF 18, I WAS HOPING FOR SOMETHING AND, UH, ANOTHER WAY TO ENSURE THAT ONLY SINGLE FAMILY WOULD BE BUILT THERE.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THE, THE DIFFICULTIES WITH, WITH THE SHAPE AND THE LAYOUT TO ACTUALLY BUILD APARTMENTS THERE.
UM, I MEAN, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
IT'S JUST THAT BY GIVING IT MF 18, IT, THERE'S STILL THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH AND WITHOUT HAVING A, UH, WITH HAVING ONE BUILDER DROP OUT AND HAVING ANOTHER BUILDER COME IN, THAT'S STILL NOT QUITE OFFICIAL.
UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST GIVING ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE.
UM, AND, AND AT THIS TIME, UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR, FOR DENIAL, UM, AND PERHAPS THE, THE DEVELOPER CAN COME UP WITH, UH, SOME MORE CONCRETE, UM, LAYOUT THAT, UH,
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BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL.UM, BUT AT THIS TIME, UM, MY MOTION IS, IS FOR DENIAL.
THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL ON THE FLOOR.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE DENIAL GIBBONS.
AND A SECOND DISCUSSION, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
UM, AND UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT PARCEL WITH THE LAYOUT.
APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY UNITS COULD BE PLACED ON THIS PROPERTY OF ZONING REMAINS AS IS 596.
AND IF MF 18 WERE TO GO FORWARD AND THIS CHANGE OVER HOW MANY UNITS UNDER MULTIFAMILY 18 WOULD THAT ALLOW FOR? OH, LET ME, LET ME CONFIRM THAT NUMBER BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT I SPOKE TO SOMEONE ON THE PHONE ABOUT THIS CASE EARLIER, AND I THOUGHT THE NUMBER I WAS USING WAS JUST CHECK THAT FOR ONE MOMENT, PLEASE.
UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT NOW.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN AND THAT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE.
UM, IN YOUR DISCUSSION WITH THE ENCLAVE AND THE H O A THERE, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, I KNOW I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY THE WORD, BUT OF SOME KIND OF COVENANTS TO ACTUALLY HOLD YOU DOWN TO THE 59 UNITS? UH, NO, THAT HASN'T COME UP.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR IT.
UM, NOT SURE THAT, UM, BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, I CAN'T CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT LAUREL CANYONS WOULD BE WILLING TO BE A PARTY TO THOSE.
UM, AND, AND THAT IS THE DIFFICULTY, AS YOU ALL KNOW WITH, UM, RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, IS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A PARTY TO THEM, UM, AND AN ENFORCEMENT MM-HMM.
WELL, IF I, MY POINT IN RAISING THAT THOUGH, IF THAT WOULD GIVE THEM SOME COMFORT, UH, TO HOLD SUCH, UH, OPTION, GIVEN THAT, AND EVEN LET'S JUST SAY THAT NOT ALL OF THE LAND CAN BE DEVELOPED 'CAUSE OF THAT FLOOD AREA YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 500 HOMES POSSIBLY THAT COULD GO BACK THERE OR ANOTHER 130 UNITS IF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS TO GO IN.
SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF UNITS OF WHAT MIGHT BE THE BETTER PATH FORWARD FOR THAT.
UM, I GUESS I MIGHT ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER IF YOU MIGHT CONSIDER A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND YOUR OFFICE AND MAYBE THE, UH, HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, IF THAT IS SOMETHING NOW THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO THEM.
UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, COMMISSIONER SIPES, UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO A CONTINUANCE, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, SINCE THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED X AMOUNT OF TIMES WHAT, WHAT CITY STAFF WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT I, I KIND OF, I GUESS SINCE UH, YOU RAISED THE QUESTION OF NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THE STAFF, DID YOU SAY 530 AT ITS CURRENT ZONING? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT, THAT'S WHY I, SORRY, THAT'S WHY I CORRECTED IT.
NO, THE, THE CALCULATION IS ACTUALLY 133 UNITS, BUT THEN IF YOU ACTUALLY CA CALCULATE LIKE CONTINGENCIES AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT, LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF, THAT'S GENERALLY ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 25% OF, AND, AND BASED ON IT ALSO BEING PARTIALLY IN A, IN A FLOOD PLAIN, THEY COULD PROBABLY ONLY GET ABOUT A HUNDRED UNITS.
BUT, UH, AND THEN I GUESS IN REGARDS TO THE A
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CONTINUANCE, SINCE WE'VE BEEN CONTINUED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST, IS THAT STILL A POSSIBILITY? IT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT HAS A, A NUMBER OF THEM, WE WOULD HAVE TO LIKELY DO A COURTESY NOTICE JUST TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THE NEXT DATE IS.AFTER 60, 60, WELL, TWO MEETING DATES, SO THAT'S 60 DAYS ABOUT, THEN WE, WE'LL SEND A COURTESY NOTICE JUST FOR THE NEXT DATE SO THAT THEY KNOW.
AND THERE IS CURRENTLY A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
IS THERE A WAY FOR ME TO, UH, WITHDRAW AND CHANGE MY MOTION
SO I GUESS, WHAT, WHAT WOULD OUR NEXT STEP BE RIGHT NOW, SINCE THERE'S CURRENTLY A, SINCE I CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL, DO WE VOTE ON THAT AND THEN I BELIEVE WE CAN REJECT THAT MOTION AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FOR RECONSIDERATION? SOMEONE WHO VOTED AGAINST THE MOTION CAN PROPOSE A SECOND MOTION.
I, I JUST HAVE TO CLARIFY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF CONTINUANCE DATES ON THE, UM, ON THE FOLDER.
HOW, HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE HAD THE, THE EVENTS IN FEBRUARY WHERE THE DATES WERE CANCELED BECAUSE OF THE WINTER STORM, THEN, UM, THAT WHAT I JUST SAID DOES NOT APPLY.
IT HAS NOT BEEN CONTINUED TWICE.
UH, COMMISSIONER SITES, THIS IS EMILY.
UM, WE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO A CONTINUANCE IF, IF ANYBODY WANTED TO KNOW.
IN LIGHT OF THIS DISCUSSION, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION AS TO THE CURRENTLY PENDING MOTION FOR DENIAL COMM GIBBONS? UM, I'M OPEN TO THAT CONTINUOUS TOO, SO I GUESS WE'LL VOTE IT IF WE VOTE DOWN THE DENIAL.
MY REASON FOR DENIAL IS, UM, I, I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT LAYOUT OF A ROAD IN THE BACKYARD OF NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE A ROAD IN THE FRONT YARD.
I FEEL THAT REALLY ALMOST NOT LANDLOCK SOME, BUT IT REALLY LOCKS 'EM INTO CAR, CAR TRAFFIC IN FRONT CAR TRAFFIC AND BACK.
I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR THAT DESIGN.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT THAT'S SIMILAR WITH A HOUSE BEHIND A HOUSE.
THAT, THAT WAS MY, THAT'S MY BIG REASON FOR THE DENIAL.
I DON'T THINK A HUNDRED, UM, UNITS IS FAVORABLE ON THIS PARTICULAR TRACK.
IT WOULDN'T IT BE FEASIBLE? I DON'T THINK THE, THE MONEY IS THERE TO BE MADE IF IT WERE TO SAY MF 18.
I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO SCARED OF A THOUGHT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBS ANY FURTHER? CONVERSA ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? YES.
UH, JUST A, I GUESS A POINT OF ORDER, UM, DEFINITELY NOT AN EXPERT ON ROBERT'S RULES, BUT CAN, COULD COMMISSIONER SIPES WITHDRAW HIS MOTION SO LONG AS THE COMMISSIONER WHO SECONDED HIS MOTION AGREED WITH THAT? COULD I GET SOME VERIFICATION ON THAT FROM STAFF? I BELIEVE THAT IS ANOTHER POSSIBILITY.
STAFF, COULD YOU CONFIRM? CORRECT? YES.
COMMISSIONER SIPES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AS THE SECOND.
DO YOU AGREE TO WITHDRAW THAT MOTION? I'M NOT WITHDRAWING THAT MY MOTION.
SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
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AS I UNFORTUNATELY TO STEP OUT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PRESENTATION.PRO GR HOUSE, NO VICE CHAIR SITE? NO CHAIR
EIGHT TO ONE AND ONE ABSTENTION.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF.
COMMISSIONER SIPES, IF YOU COULD PLEASE ENTERTAIN THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION BY SOMEONE WHO VOTED NO.
COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, WAS THAT YOU THAT YES.
I'M HAPPY TO OFFER A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE OF TWO WEEKS.
UH, STAFF
UH, AND, AND IF THE APPLICANT IS, WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FIRST.
I NEED A MOTION TO CONSIDER PLEASE.
CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE ON THAT PLEASE.
WE KNOW THAT THE CHAIR STEPPED OUT, SO A MOTION PASSES SEVEN TO ONE WITH ONE ABSTENTION.
UM, STAFF, CAN I MAKE MY OWN MOTION FOR THE CONTINUANCE? YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, A FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE APRIL THAT 20TH, CORRECT? YES.
BEFORE WE CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH.
THERE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
ANY DISCUSSION? I GUESS I GOTTA, UH, SEEING NONE, CAN I GET A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I'M GONNA VOTE YES.
I'D LIKE EMILY TO GIMME A CALL ON THIS CASE.
COMMISSIONER WHITE AB ABSTAIN.
AND CHAIR WITH THE MONTH HAS STEPPED OUT.
OKAY, SO MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE TO APRIL THE 20TH BY EIGHT TO ZERO WITH ONE PETITION.
UM, I GUESS WE WILL GO ON TO THE NEXT CASE.
[6. 21-1983 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700291 (Council District 3)]
NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO R FOUR OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.LOCATED AT 27 14 SOUTH WW WHITE ROAD.
ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM LOWER EAST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THE CURRENT R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED R FOUR IS ALSO APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY AND WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND MORE CLUSTERED DEVELOPMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE?
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YES.COMMISSIONER SIPES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, GO AHEAD.
COMMISSIONER, THIS IS CAROLINE MCDONALD BROWN AND ORTIZ ONE 12 EAST DECON, SUITE 1360.
HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, I ALSO HAVE OUR ENGINEER, UH, MR. CURTIS LEE WITH TATE DAWSON, UH, HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS? UH, HE DOES HAVE TO JUMP OFF AT THREE THOUGH, SO I'M, I'M GONNA TRY TO GET THROUGH MY PRESENTATION QUICKLY.
STAFF, CAN YOU PLEASE GO TO PAGE TWO OF, UH, MY PRESENTATION.
AS STAFF INDICATED, THIS IS ABOUT 89 ACRES NORTHEAST OF SOUTH CROSS AND SOUTH WW WHITE.
YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM TWO IN SMOKEHOUSE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU ARE WHO ARE FAMILIAR, YOU PLEASE GO TO SLIDE THREE.
RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R FIVE.
WE ARE REQUESTING AN R FOUR ZONING.
UH, THERE WILL BE ACCESS ONTO SOUTH W WHITE AND LOOP FOUR 10.
THIS CASE WAS BEFORE YOU, UH, BACK IN EARLY FEBRUARY BEFORE THE FREEZE.
AND, UM, WE DID, UM, GET A CONTINUANCE TO FURTHER WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON, UH, THE REQUESTED ZONING AND SITE PLAN.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO TO SLIDE FOUR.
THERE IS AN ASSOCIATED PLAN AMENDMENT WITH THIS CASE.
RIGHT NOW, THE PROPERTY HAS, UH, THREE DIFFERENT, UH, LAND USE DESIGNATIONS THAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL URBAN LIVING AND PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.
UH, ALONG WITH THE REZONING REQUEST, WE DID, UH, REQUEST A CHANGE TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON FEBRUARY 10TH.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, ON THE AERIAL, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THERE IS ABOUT AN 80 FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT CUTS THROUGH THE CENTER OF OUR PROPERTY MAKING DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE CHALLENGING, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH A STRAIGHT R FIVE ZONING AND THOSE THAT SIZE OF LOTS.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING A CHANGE OF ZONING TO R FOUR TO ALLOW FOR A MIXTURE.
UM, AND AT THIS TIME, CURTIS, IF YOU'RE ON THE LINE, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT THAT WILL COME INTO PLAY WITH THIS SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT? UM, SURE.
UH, THIS IS CURTIS LEE WITH PAWSON ENGINEERS, UH, 1165 VISTA BONITA, NEW BRAS TEXAS.
UM, SO WITH, UH, WITH THIS MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE GOING TO BE IMPROVING ALMA STREET TO, UH, TO WHAT IS REQUIRED BY CODE.
SO WE'LL BE EXPANDING ALMA STREET ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, TO IMPROVE IT TO CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, SPECIFICATIONS.
UH, WE'LL ALSO, UM, BE IMPLEMENTING SOME MITIGATION AS REQUIRED OR AS IDENTIFIED IN OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY AS, UM, AS MITIGATION ITEMS THAT WILL HELP IMPROVE TRAFFIC OR OFFSET, UH, ANY IMPACT THAT, THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE ON THE ADJACENT, UH, TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, SO MOST, UH, NOTABLY THE, THE T I A RECOMMENDS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT SINCLAIR AT THE INTERSECTION OF SINCLAIR AND WW WHITE.
UM, AND THEN IT ALSO REQUIRES, UH, TURN LANES AT, UH, AT, UH, THE NEW DRIVEWAYS OFF OF LOOP FOUR 10 AND ALSO ONTO, UH, ON, UH, WW WHITE STAFF.
CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE PLEASE? SO, UH, THIS IS A PRE PRELIMINARY, UH, SITE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, 530 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, WHICH UNDER THE CURRENT R FIVE ZONING DISTRICT, UH, THE ALLOWABLE NUMBER OF LOTS IS 801 WITH THE R FOUR.
UH, THAT DOES SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE, UH, THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WE CAN DO.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE SITE FEATURES, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING ONLY, UH, 530 AT THIS TIME, WHICH IS ROUGHLY SIX UNITS PER ACRE.
UM, SO AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES OF THIS LOT, UM, WE ARE REQUESTING AN R FOUR ZONING DISTRICT FROM THE R FIVE.
UH, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, STAFF, DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? NO, SIR.
AND THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE? I BELIEVE SO.
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SO, UM, COULD YOU TELL ME TO THE APPLICANT, UM, WILL THIS BE AN, UM, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION? WHAT, UM, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF ASSOCIATION THAT'LL HELP WITH, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY OR CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND OF SUCH? SURE.SO RIGHT NOW THERE ISN'T A, A, A DESIGNATED BUILDER UNDER CONTRACT, BUT, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS LOOKING AT TWO NATIONAL BUILDERS THAT DO TYPICALLY HAVE HOAS ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
AND IS IT GATED AT ALL? UH, CURTIS, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE PROPOSING ANY GATES, GATES TO THIS ONE? WELL, IT, IT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT PLANNED TO BE DATED.
UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW BECAUSE THE PRESENTATION PRETTY MUCH HIT A LOT OF THE, UM, TOPICS I WANTED.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? LET'S SEE.
UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, TO THE APPLICANT, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALONG SINCLAIR, THOSE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE COMMERCIAL.
ARE THEY ZONE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ON SINCLAIR? UM, I DO BELIEVE THOSE ARE, UM, THERE'S, THEY'RE ZONED INDUSTRIAL, BUT THERE'S A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
AND SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE BOUNDARY THAT WILL, WILL BE AROUND THIS PARTICULAR, UH, HOME SUBDIVISION? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE TREES? IS THERE A FENCING GOING UP? YES, MA'AM.
SO THERE WILL BE FENCING AND THE BUILDINGS, I BELIEVE ARE SET BACK BY AT LEAST 25 DEGREES FROM THAT AVENUE LINE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE EXISTING USES, THERE IS, UM, MOST OF THE USES HAVE SOME SPACE BEFORE THERE IS A BUILDING ON THEIR SIDE AS WELL.
AND, UH, THEN A QUESTION TO STAFF, THAT BOUNDARY LINE OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT BACKS UP TO THOSE THAT ARE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ALONG SINCLAIR DOES THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THERE NEED TO BE, I GUESS IT'S A 25 FOOT BUFFER THAT EMILY SAID, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, IT'S CAROLINE, UM, I BELIEVE IT IS.
WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING, UM, R FOUR NEXT TO I ONE, THERE ISN'T A REQUIRED BUFFER.
I THINK IT'S WHEN IT'S THE OPPOSITE, BUT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UM, A 25 FOOT, WE DO HAVE A 25 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK STAFF.
CORRECT ME IF THAT'S, UH, WRONG.
NOW WHAT IS THE OPPOSITE? IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL OR AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL, WHAT'S THE BUFFER? YES, I DO BELIEVE IT'S 30 FEET.
SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE THEN I, UM, IT'S LIKE MIDWAY ON THAT PROPERTY LINE AND GOOGLE MAP SHOWS IT AS GGO SOLID SURFACE SOLUTIONS.
LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT BOUNDARY LINE.
SO DO WE HAVE ENOUGH BUFFER BETWEEN THAT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND, AND SO COMMISSIONER, THIS IS, UH, KIRK PLEA WITH DAWSON.
IF, IF THE, UH, UM, IF CAROLINE HAS SUGGESTED, IF THE SITUATION WAS REVERSED, IF THE RESIDENTIAL WAS THERE FIRST AND I, AND THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY WAS LOOKING TO BE REZONED AS INDUSTRIAL, THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO INCLUDE A BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL.
BUT SINCE INDUSTRIAL IS THERE, UH, FIRST AND THE RESIDENTIAL IS A NEW, UH, ADDITION THERE, THERE'S NOT PER CODE A REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, FOR THAT SETBACK, UH, BECAUSE IT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION.
UM, AND THE, THE DEVELOPER KNOWS, UM, THE CONDITION OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO THAT WOULD PUT THAT THE BUFFER NECESSARY ON YOU, THE NEW DEVELOPER IN MY MIND.
NOT THAT IT'S BY CODE, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT, WE'RE NOT JUST DOING CODE TO HAVE CODE, WE'RE DOING IT TO PROTECT INDIVIDUALS AND IN THIS CASE THE WELLBEING AND THE HEALTH OF FAMILIES THAT WILL BE RESIDING IN THESE HOMES.
SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION THEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE THE BUFFER, WHAT IS THE BUFFER YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE SO THAT THE WELLBEING AND THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THIS, THE FAMILIES ALONG THAT BOUNDARY LINE HAVE A SIMILAR BUFFER? DID, DID
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YOU FOLLOW THAT? WE CAN'T SPEAK, WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE DEVELOPER.UH, ON, ON THAT, UH, ON, ON, UH, THAT TOPIC.
HOWEVER, IT IS IN THE DEVELOPER'S BEST INTEREST TO HAVE A PRODUCT THAT HE CAN, THAT HE CAN MARKET AND, UH, AND CAN PRODUCE.
AND SO, UM, REALLY THAT THAT'S KIND OF A DEVELOPER DECISION, UH, AS TO WHETHER TO INCLUDE A BUFFER, UH, FOR THOSE PROPERTIES.
NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE, THERE WILL BE A SETBACK FOR LOTS TO HANDLE DRAINAGE THAT IS, UH, UM, UH, NEEDING TO BE DIRECTED AROUND THE LOTS.
UM, AND SO THERE WILL BE A, A SOMEWHAT OF A SETBACK BECAUSE OF THAT.
UH, BUT IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE NECESSARILY A LANDSCAPE BUFFERING IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT ABOUT.
UH, YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE MUCH, UM, AND I'M NOT SAYING THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THAT BOUNDARY, BUT THERE DOES LOOK LIKE THERE MAY SOME PROBLEM AREAS THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SINCLAIR WOULD SEEM TO ME IS PROBABLY INDUSTRIAL.
AND SO THAT WOULD, THAT IS MY CONCERN IF THE DEVELOPER COULD, OR WHOEVER, WHOEVER PAYS THE MONEY HERE, COULD LOOK AT THAT.
HOW DO WE PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE ADDITIONAL SAFETY TO THE FAMILIES, UH, THE HOMES THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SMALL HOMES, PROBABLY FAMILIES AND SMALL CHILDREN THERE.
IF YOU CAN, UM, TELL ME THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL LOOK INTO.
I WOULD, UH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
WE'LL CON WE'LL CONVEY THAT AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
I MEAN, IF I, IF I HEAR SOMETHING ON W W WHITE AND SINCLAIR, I'M IMMEDIATELY THINKING INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT W W WHITE IS KIND OF KNOWN FOR.
OF COURSE I HAVEN'T KEPT UP WITH DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A VERY NICE ONE DOWN THE STREET.
SO LET'S CONTINUE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE AIR THEY BREATHE AND THE LAND THEY WALK ON IS CLEAN AND SAFE.
ALRIGHT, UM, COMMISSIONER SIP.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS ANY FURTHER? UH, DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER MCGEE.
I ACTUALLY DID HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, UH, NOW JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, ON THE CONVERSATION, UM, THE POINT THAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS BROUGHT UP SO, SO, UM, TO THE APPLICANT.
SO RIGHT NOW, A AGAINST THAT, UH, SINCLAIR, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE A 25 FOOT BUFFER, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT NOW IN THE PLAN BUILD IT'S A BUILDING SETBACK, YES.
AND THERE WILL BE A FENCE ALONG, UM, ALONG THE BACK PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO THEN YOU'LL BE GOING BACK TO THE, UM, THE DEVELOPER TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, CONSIDERED ADDITIONAL BUFFER FOR MAYBE SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES WHERE THE INDUSTRIAL IS GETTING CL UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, UM, FENCE LINE THERE.
WELL, UM, WE'VE HAD, UH, QUITE A FEW, UM, CONVERSATIONS, UH, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, REGARDING, UH, THE GREEN SPACE, THE, THE PARK AREAS, THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION, THE, UM, GOING ON RECORD AS FAR AS THE, UH, NUMBER OF HOMES.
UM, IT, IT WILL BE DEFINITELY A BENEFIT TO EVERY ONE OF US HERE IN THIS AREA FOR THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION, UM, THAT WILL TAKE PLACE FROM ALMA, UM, BEING EXPANDED TO THE TURN LANES.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THE, ESPECIALLY THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT, UH, SINCLAIR W WHITE AND THE ENTRANCE IN WW UH, WW WHITE, WE NEEDED SOME TRAFFIC MEDIC NEED MORE THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S GOOD
AND, UM, I, I TRUSTING HOPE, UH, THAT YOU WILL GO BACK AND THAT, UM, YOU'VE BEEN AMENABLE, UH, THE DEVELOPER'S BEEN AMENABLE SO FAR.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS CONCERNED, UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN'T
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SEEK OUT A ADDITIONAL, UH, BUFFER SPACE, UH, FOR THAT AREA AGAINST, UH, SINCLAIR, WHERE WE HAVE, UH, VARIOUS, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND, UM, EVEN SOME, UH, INDUSTRIAL THERE.SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, APPROVAL FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX.
THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND JONES.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT A LIGHT WILL GO AT SINCLAIR, UH, AND SOUTH WW WHITE.
I THINK THAT'S A NECESSARY, UM, PART AND THAT'S AN EXPENSE ON THE DEVELOPER, NOT ON THE CITY, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, BUT I, I DO RECALL WE HAD ANOTHER CASE, A ZONING CASE.
IT WASN'T ON THIS PART OF TOWN, BUT IT WAS A, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS BUILT AFTER THE, UH, INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL FIELD OF A LOT OF TRUCKS THAT WERE COMING AND GOING.
AND THOSE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY IRRITATED.
SOME OF THEM PUT UP THEIR HOUSE FOR SALE AFTER THAT CASE.
UM, SO REALLY DO HOPE, CAROLINE, YOU MAKE SOME DIFFERENCE THERE.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A, A PROJECT THAT'S NECESSARY OUT THERE AND, UH, WILL BE A BENEFIT TO EVERYBODY AND, UM, TO, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE'S NEIGHBORHOOD AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
NOT THAT YOU LIVE THERE, BUT I KNOW YOU, YOU LIVE THERE,
WE LIVE IN ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS, DON'T WE? SO, UH, JUST HOPE THAT, YES, I'M GONNA JUST PUT THAT LITTLE BIT OF A THUMB PRESSURE ON YOU TOO, CAROLYN, AS THE COMMISSIONER DID TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN I, I, I THINK OKAY, THANK YOU.
AND I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE.
[9. 21-2120 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700305 (Council District 2)]
NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO I TWO OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.LOCATED AT 1 46 NORTH WW WHITE ROAD.
12 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO, WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THE CURRENT C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL IS APPROPRIATE AT A COMMERCIAL NODE AND IS PART OF AN ESTABLISHED PATTERN FOR THE INTERSECTION.
THE EXISTING ZONING IS SUFFICIENT INTENSITY FOR THE AREA AND IF THE PROPERTY IS REZONED TO C THREE CD GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
ALTHOUGH THE, ALTHOUGH THE BASE ZONING IS MAINTAINED, THE INTENSITY IS INCREASED BY ALLOWING CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE STAFF.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? HI, YES.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
UH, CAROLYN MCDONALD AGAIN WITH BROWN ORTIZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, FOR THIS ZONING CASE, I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION STAFF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT UP AND GO TO IT IS AVAILABLE.
SO, UM, AS STAFF SAID, UH, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 1.6 ACRES OFF OF NORTH WW WHITE AND HIGHWAY 10.
UM, THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS ZONED C THREE AND IT'S CURRENTLY A BAR, RESTAURANT, VEHICLE, TRUCK STORAGE, AND A PARKING LOT.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, HAD INITIALLY,
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EXCUSE ME, INITIALLY HAD SUBMITTED A ZONING APPLICATION FOR AN I TWO ZONING REQUEST BACK IN DECEMBER.UM, AND WE ACTUALLY, BRANDON ORTIZ CAME ON ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO TO HELP, UH, CLARIFY THE ZONING REQUESTS AND THEIR USES FOR THIS PROPERTY SO THAT THEY MAY FIND A COMPATIBLE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE AREA.
UM, SO WE DID AMEND THE REQUEST ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TO C THREE CD FOR A CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTORS.
UM, THE FUTURE USER IS A COMPANY OUT OF HOUSTON THAT DEAL DEALS WITH, UM, WELDING EQUIPMENT, BOTH RETAIL SALES AND, UM, SUPPLY.
UM, THEY, THEY WILL HAVE EQUIPMENT STORAGE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF WELDING AND THEN GAS STORAGE ON SITE STAFF.
IF YOU CAN PLEASE GO TO SLIDE THREE HERE YOU CAN JUST SEE AN AERIAL.
UH, THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY SEE THREE.
THERE IS I TWO TO THE NORTH C TWO AND C THREE TO OUR WEST AND SOUTH.
AND THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL TO OUR EAST, UH, STAFF.
IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW WE ARE WITHIN THE ARENA DISTRICT EAST SIDE COMMUNITY PLAN AND DESIGNATED REGIONAL COMMERCIAL, UM, WITH OUR AMENDED C THREE CD REQUESTS.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO TO SLIDE FIVE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, A BETTER, YOU KNOW, OVERVIEW OF HOW LARGE THE PROPERTY IS AND IT'S ON A CORNER OF, UM, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY HEAVY TRAFFIC.
UM, THE HIGHLIGHTED PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO OUR EAST IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER AND OUR SELLER.
UM, SO HE SIGNED OFF ON THE ZONING APPLICATION AND IS AWARE OF, OF THE USE THAT IS COMING IN AND OBVIOUSLY IS IN SUPPORT.
WENT OUT, UM, YESTERDAY, KIND OF DID A SITE VISIT.
WANTED TO GIVE A BETTER OVERVIEW OF WHAT WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A, A SINGLE STRUCTURE THAT IS A RESTAURANT AND BAR.
UM, THERE IS VEHICLE VEHICLE STORAGE ON SITE THAT IS FENCED IN CURRENTLY.
AND THEN THERE IS A, A, YOU KNOW, TIRE SALES AND INDUSTRIAL USES TO OUR NORTH.
I I HOPE YOU'RE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING ALONG ON THE SLIDES 'CAUSE MY, MY SCREEN'S A LITTLE DELAYED.
BUT, UM, THAT, IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE SEVEN, THAT FIRST PICTURE ON SLIDE SEVEN IS LOOKING EAST ON E MILL STREET.
YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TRUCKS PARKED AND THEN THERE'S UH, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSING AND INDUSTRIAL TO OUR, TO OUR NORTH.
THE SECOND PICTURE ON SLIDE SEVEN SHOWS, UH, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION LOOKING WEST, WHICH IS MOSTLY OUR PROPERTIES PARKING LOT.
AND THEN AGAIN THE STORAGE AND BUILDING.
UM, YOU GO TO SLIDE EIGHT PLEASE.
AGAIN, JUST A CLOSEUP OF WHAT THE FIRST PICTURE, WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE NOW.
AND THEN OF COURSE WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET THAT YOU COULD PLEASE GO TO.
SLIDE NINE, THE LAST SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS, UM, THE SITE PLAN THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, PROVIDE.
IF YOU KNOW THE, THE ZONING DOES GO THROUGH IT, THIS PROPERTY WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED.
THERE WILL BE TWO 4,000 SQUARE FEET BUILDING.
ONE WILL FOCUS ON RETAIL SALES.
THE OTHER WILL BE MORE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT STORAGE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE GAS STORAGE IN THOSE THREE CYLINDERS.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THERE WILL BE A COVERED SCREENED OUTDOOR STORAGE.
UM, THERE WILL BE AN ENTRANCE ON NORTH W W I AS WELL AND AN ENTRANCE ON E MILL STREET.
UM, BUT AGAIN, PROPERTY WILL BE FENCED.
UM, THERE WILL BE A 30 FOOT BUFFER OR 30 FOOT SETBACK FROM OUR ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS A 15, UH, 15 FOOT BUFFER.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE SURROUNDED PRIMARILY BY COMMERCIAL.
UM, WE DO NEED THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTORS TO ALLOW FOR SOMEBODY MORE, UM, INTENSE USES IF YOU WILL.
UM, BUT THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE ZONING AND THE USES IN THE AREA.
UM, SO IT'S WITH THAT, THAT I, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, CLARIFY ANYTHING, BUT WE ARE REQUESTING THE C THREE CV WITH THIS SITE PLAN TODAY AND NOT THE I TWO.
AND IT'S WITH THAT, THAT WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
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MCDONALD, UH, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.UH, COMMISSIONER JONES QUESTIONS? UH, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I WAS JUST ASKING, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO REEMPHASIZE THAT THAT, UH, RESIDENTIALS 'CAUSE IT'S SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL, THAT THAT RESIDENTIAL IS, UM, IS, UH, IS UH, OWNED BY THE, BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, I BELIEVE THE STAFF, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO SLIDE FIVE, UM, THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS OUR PROPERTY IS ALSO THE OWNER OF 4 5 3 4 EMIL STREET, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO US, TO OUR EAST.
AND IT'S, IT IS THE SAME OWNER.
OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? SEEING, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL EVERY TIME.
I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK FOR STAFF TO CLARIFY.
WE JUST COMPLETED A CASE WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IN A HUGE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AGAINST WHAT IS BASICALLY AN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USE CORRIDOR.
AND HERE WE HAVE ONE THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF IN EXISTENCE, BUT YET WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL.
WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CASES? HELP ME UNDERSTAND, UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL A LOT OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT ON THE MAP.
UH, BUT A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SIDE ARE, ARE, WERE ALREADY ZONED I TWO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
SO THOSE ARE, ARE ALREADY ZONED FOR THAT, FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE.
NOW IF YOU NOTICE THIS PROPERTY IN THE, IN KIND OF LITTLE ISLAND, IT SITS ON IN THE SEPARATION OF THE PROPERTIES.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT WAS WELL INTENTIONED BACK WHEN THEY DID SEE THE PLAN FOR THE AREA THAT THAT AREA WOULD BECOME REGIONAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH IT DID.
UM, SO NOW, AND THEY HAVE AN EXISTING C THREE USE, SO IF THEY COULD USE IT AS THE EXISTING C THREE USE, THEN THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS CORRIDOR IS THAT PROBABLY THE ZONING, THE REZONING THAT SHOULD HAVE OCCURRED FOR SOME OF THE PROPERTIES DIDN'T.
AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE PORTION OF IT TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME, THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, NORTH TO SOUTH, UM, THAT IS STILL RESIDENTIAL SO THAT THAT LITTLE COMMUNITY OF HOMES IS JUST BARELY HANGING ON.
AND SO FOR ANOTHER COMMER FOR A COMMERCIAL USE, THAT'S ACTUALLY A USE THAT'S NORMALLY FOUND IN THE L LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A BIT MUCH FOR, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS STRUGGLING TO HANG ON THERE IN THAT CORRIDOR.
WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE REASON WHY I ASK, BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY SIMILAR USES ON SINCLAIR ROAD AND WE JUST APPROVED BRINGING IN, I FORGET HOW MANY UNITS, SO I, I'M JUST STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE IN INTERPRETATION HERE.
DID STAFF GO INTO THOSE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES ON THE SINCLAIR ROAD TO DETERMINE WHAT THEIR USES WERE BEFORE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE? I I, I GUESS I'M JUST NOT FOLLOWING THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS ONE.
SO I THINK, I THINK THIS WILL CLARIFY IT, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, THEY'RE ASKED, THEY'RE BRINGING COMMERCIAL INTO AN AREA THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND THE OTHER, THEY WERE BRINGING RESIDENTIAL INTO AN AREA THAT'S RESIDENTIAL.
BUT WHAT REALLY IS WHAT, BUT WHAT REALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE? AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE, WE'RE DENYING COMMERCIAL TO COME IN WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY EXISTING.
AND YET STAFF JUST RECOMMENDED THAT IT WAS OKAY TO BRING RESIDENTIAL IN AGAINST COMMERCIAL, WHICH AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WILL BE AN ISSUE.
UM, I'M SORRY, COLLEAGUES, THAT, THAT'S JUST THE, THE PUZZLING CONUNDRUM HERE THAT I FIND.
UM, LET ME MOVE ON TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT.
SO CAN YOU HELP, UM, CLARIFY JUST WHAT SERVICES UNDER THE CONSTRUCTION TRAY CONTRACTORS SEEM TO MAKE THIS, UH, TOO INTENSE FOR THE C THREE? IS THAT THE WELDING?
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YES, MA'AM.AND SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, UM, IT, IT IS THE, UH, SMALL WELDING COMPONENT OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE WILL BE, UH, SOME OF THE TRUCKS THAT COME IN TO PICK UP SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE REFUELING.
UM, SO WE WILL, YOU DO SEE THOSE CYLINDERS ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL HAVE GAS IN IT.
UM, AND THEN THERE WILL BE SOME OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, THAT WILL BE COVERED IN SCREENS.
SO THOSE COMPONENTS, UM, ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE C THREE, BUT WE TRIED TO FOCUS, WHAT IS THAT, THOSE COMPONENTS THAT ARE IN THE L UM, MORE TOWARDS W W Y AND AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS, UM, EXISTING.
AND I KNOW WE SPENT A GOOD TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS A WHILE AGO, ABOUT BUFFERING.
NOW BECAUSE THIS IS EXISTING COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS A, A CURRENT REQUIREMENT.
WHAT IS THAT BUFFER REQUIREMENT? I DO BELIEVE IT'S A TYPE C BUFFER, WHICH WOULD BE 15 FEET IF I WROTE THAT DOWN CORRECTLY.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS A 30 FOOT STEP BACK.
WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS KIND OF BUSINESS? UM, THEY DO START UP PROBABLY AROUND 7:30 AM AND CONCLUDE, UH, CLOSER TO 7:38 PM IT, IT'S NOT A 24 HOUR DEAL.
AND ARE THEY OPEN ON WEEKENDS OR IS THIS JUST MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY KIND OF THING? THEY ARE OPEN ON SATURDAYS.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, MY QUESTION IS THE, THE VE THE TRUCKS, THE 18 WHEELERS THAT ARE SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW, DO THEY PARK THERE OVERNIGHT? HI, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHY IF THEY BELONGED TO THE INDUSTRIAL USE ACROSS THE STREET, A MILL FROM US OR, OR WHAT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS NOT THERE WHEN I WENT OUT, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO ASK HIM.
UM, I, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS THERE OVERNIGHT OR NOT.
HAS A PROPERTY OWNER BEEN ALLOWING THEM TO PARK THERE? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVEN'T CLARIFIED THAT WITH HIM, BUT HE DOES, THE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN A FENCED IN AREA, SO I WOULD IMAGINE, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I HONESTLY, I JUST, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE.
AND THEN TO STAFF THE EXISTING, UH, ZONE AND THE REQUESTED ZONE, DO EITHER OF THOSE ALLOW 18 WHEEL PARKING? WELL, 18 WHEELERS, UH, I DON'T, I GUESS, CAN YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR QUESTION? I WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, DOES THAT ZONE, THE CURRENT ZONING AND THE REQUESTED ZONING, DID THOSE ALLOW, NOT REQUIRE, BUT THAT THOSE ALLOW 18 WHEEL TYPE TRUCKS TO PARK OVERNIGHT? ISN'T, ISN'T THERE NEED TO BE? ISN'T THERE A SPECIFIC ZONE FOR PARKING? OKAY, SO THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION, THE STATE, THE CURRENT STATE THREE CD THAT THEY'RE SEEKING WOULD GET THEM THE CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR WITH THE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
AND AS PART OF THEIR BUSINESS FUNCTION, IF THEY PARK LARGE TRUCKS THERE, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
NOW, OVERSIGHT VEHICLE PARKING ALSO REQUIRES A C THREE WITH A CD.
AND WHAT ARE THEY REQUEST? THEY'RE REQUESTING A C C THREE, JUST C THREE C THREE CD FOR CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTORS.
SO I BELIEVE CHRISTY, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, IT, WE WOULD'VE HAD TO SPECIFICALLY CALL THAT OUT FOR OVERNIGHT STORAGE OF A, YOU KNOW, LARGER, UH, TRUCK LIKE THAT.
SO AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, ANYTHING THAT'S OVERSIGHT VEHICLE, SO THAT, THAT'S THE PRIMARY USE THAT ALL THEY DO IS PARK A WHEELER? THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THERE.
THAT IS A, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN L WITH A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SO THE PARKED VEHICLE THAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED UNDER THE NEW ZONING REQUESTED
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OR THE ONE EXISTING, OR BOTH.I MEAN, EMILY, I THINK YOU SAID YOU DUNNO WHERE THAT VEHICLE IS COMING FROM, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S JUST BEING PARKED THERE, SO IT'S MCDONALD FOR EVERYONE THE SECOND TIME TODAY? YEAH.
I'M JUST TRYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY.
YES, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S THERE.
I I DON'T KNOW IF IT BELONGS TO, I, I WILL CLARIFY WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNER CANNOT HAVE 18 WHEELERS PARKED THERE ON THE EXISTING ZONING OR THE ZONING HE'S REQUESTING? CORRECT.
SO, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A PICTURE
MR. LANDOWNER, UM,
I ALWAYS LIKE TO PUT MY BEST FOOT FORWARD WHEN I'M
JUST, I, I DO KNOW THAT THOSE AREN'T ALLOWED, THEY SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
I THINK THAT THAT HELPS TO MITIGATE ANY INDUSTRIAL AROUND THOSE, UH, RESIDENTIALS THAT ARE THERE.
I'M SURE THERE DON'T LIKE 'EM THERE.
HOW DO WE GET ASSURED? YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA STOP? I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, THE PROPERTY'S GOING TO BE SOLD TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USER.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A, YOU KNOW, REPUTABLE COMPANY OUT OF HOUSTON.
UM, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, OKAY, WELL AT LEAST IT COULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUSINESS.
AT LEAST THE NEIGHBORS, IF THEY'RE WATCHING, ARE GOT A TOOL IN THEIR BELT NOW THAT IF THEY DO SEE THOSE TRUCKS THERE, THEY'RE PARKED THERE ILLEGALLY.
ALRIGHT, THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHT FOR THE DAY ON THIS ONE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
UH, BACK TO YOU COMMISSIONERS.
UH, JONES? UH, YES, I JUST, UH, WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THAT TRUCK IS PROBABLY, UH, WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A CLOSED BUSINESS AND A OPEN PARKING LOT TRUCKS WHEEL PARK THERE OFF AND ON IN THAT AREA DOES NEED IMPROVEMENT.
SO I WILL BE, UH, MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, UH, NUMBER NINE.
UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT'S, UH, APPROVED AS AMENDED.
I THINK IT'S ON THERE THAT IT'S C THREE CD.
I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN CHANGED.
UH, THERE IS A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE AS AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER JONES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
I HEARD HER FIRST, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
UM, JUST A REALLY QUICK THOUGHT THAT
SO, UM, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT, AND NO PARKING LOT IS JUST AVAILABLE TO 18 WHEELERS.
THEY DO HAVE THEIR OWN SPOTS ON THE PLANET TO DO THAT, BUT, UM, THEY CAN BECOME AN EYESORE.
THEY CAN BECOME TOO MANY IN ONE SPOT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WAS MY CONCERN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE CAROLINE CORRECTED THAT AND GOT THAT ORGANIZED.
ALRIGHT, FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS.
UM, SO IF IT HAD STAYED, I TOO, I CERTAINLY WASN'T GOING TO WANT TO, UH, SUPPORT THAT.
I KNOW IT'S, UH, QUITE HEAVY USES, UM, IN THAT AREA, BUT TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP, IT IS, THAT IS A VERY HEAVY TRAFFIC.
YOU SIT IN TRAFFIC BEHIND 18 WHEELERS OVER THERE, SO IT'S A GOOD POINT TO MAKE SURE, HEY, YOU CAN'T PARK HERE, BUT NO, I, I I, I'M, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES.
UM, I, I LIKE THE, UH, UH, I LIKE THE AMENDMENT, UM, TO THE, TO THE ZONING THAT, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED NOW BY COMMISSIONER JONES, SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITE, FURTHER.
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HELLO? GO BACK.CHECK COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HAVEN'T MISSED HER AGAIN.
ALRIGHT, I SEE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
AND YES, I THINK, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE AMENDMENT, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USAGES TO THE NORTH, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT IT NOW CONFORMS WITH THE PLAN AND NO LONGER REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT, UH, I TOO WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
COMMISSIONER MR. GIBBONS? YES.
MOTION PASSES 10 TO ZERO TO THE AMENDED C THREE PD FOR A CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTOR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE.
IF WE CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE.
[17. 21-1749 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700011 CD (Council District 5)]
17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES LOCATED AT 4 46 INEZ AVENUE.CORRECTION ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
UH, MEMORIAL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED.
AND THE CURRENT C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
WHILE THE PROPOSED REQUEST MAINTAINS THE BASE ZONING, THE PROPOSED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IS A C THREE USE THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA, ESPECIALLY WHILE ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? OKAY.
MR. MARTINEZ, ARE YOU THERE? YES, MA'AM, I'M HERE.
MR. MARTINEZ, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PRESENT AND, UH, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS JOE VILLA MARTINEZ.
MY ADDRESS IS 3 45 PERIAN PLACE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND WHY YOU'RE SEEKING, UH, THE CHANGE IN ZONING WITH THIS CONDITIONAL USE.
I BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO PUT A, A PIECE, UH, CAR LOT.
IT'S A SMALL CAR LOT, SIX TOTAL EIGHT CARS, NO MECHANICAL WORK, UH, NO CAR WIRES, NO NOTHING, JUST SELLING CARS AND, UM, IT'S A CLEAN LOT.
SO I MAINTAIN A CLEAN, IT HAS AN OFFICE AND, UM, MY BUSINESS IS, I ALREADY HAVE TWO OTHER CAR LOTS, BUT THIS ONE SINCE I BOUGHT THE LAND, I WANNA PUT IT IN THAT LOCATION THAT WAY I JUST PAY THE, I WILL BE RED.
AND THE AREA IS VERY, UH, POPULAR IS WITH THE SCHOOL THAT, UH, STUDENTS BUY CARS AND I SELL CARS, UM, AND MAINTAIN ALL MY BUSINESS.
MR. MARTINEZ STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 6 6 TESLA DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 8.
AND MY CONTACT NUMBER IS 2 1 0 4 3 5 22 9 7.
AND THIS IS REGARDING CASE NUMBER Z 20 21 1 0 7 0 0 0 1 1.
IT HAS TO DO, UH, THE ADDRESS IS 4 4 6 INES I N E Z 7 8 2 2 8.
IT HAS TO DO FOR A ZONING REQUEST FOR A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND IT'S MOUNT PRESIDENT OF THE MEMORIAL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND I JUST WANTED JUST TO MENTION TO THE ZONING COMMISSION TO COMMISSIONERS LIKE CHEN TO OUR, TO OUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON, UH, CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, DISTRICT FIVE CHARLIE GONZALEZ, THAT WE WERE ADAMANTLY AGAINST THIS.
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THIS IS TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.WE HAVE NO USE OR ANYTHING, UH, HAVE NO USE.
UH, AND I DON'T SEE HOW I USE CARLA CAR.
LAEL WOULD BENEFIT OUR AREA AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ADJACENT TO A CITY PARK AND ALSO, UH, LOMA PARK ELEMENTARY.
SO WE SEE NO USE, RIGHT? WE'RE ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT.
I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SEVERAL MEMBERS AND ALSO WITH THE PRESIDENT OF LOMA PARK, UM, ASSOCIATION AND SHE'S ALSO ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT.
SO WE WILL, WE WILL WE ASK THE, UH, ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO PLEASE, UH, DON'T GRANT THIS, UH, REQUEST BECAUSE THEY WOULD DO NOTHING FOR OUR AREA.
JUST BRING MORE, USUALLY PARLA SALES HERE IN OUR AREA.
USUALLY THEY TEND TO BE BECOME AUTOMOTIVE, WELDING CHOPS, BODY CHOPS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND THEY DO, THEY, THEY DO NOT BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR MANNER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND IF, UH, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO CONTACT ME.
I DID EMAIL ALSO MY, UH, INFORMATION TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, MANAGER, TO THE PLANNER, I'M SORRY, UH, LORRAINE STEIN EXPRESSING MY SAME THING.
MY NAME IS ROSIE GARCIA AND I AM CALLING, UM, ABOUT A, A CASE, UM, A ZONING CASE, UM, WHICH IS, UM, AT 4 4 6 INES AVENUE.
AND THAT CASE NUMBER IS LETTER Z 20 21, 10 7,001 ONE.
UM, AND MY PHONE NUMBER AND MY ADDRESS ARE, I'M AT 1 6 6 TESLA DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO TWO EIGHT.
PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN FOUR THREE FIVE TWO TWO NINE SEVEN.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE MEMORIAL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.
UM, SUPPOSEDLY A CAR, UM, LOT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD HERE OF MOTOR VEHICLE SALES.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING SO HARD TO KEEP THIS AREA CLEAN AND THIS JUST DOESN'T GO WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE ANOTHER EYESORE.
UM, IT ENDS UP BEING SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A REPAIR PLACE OR, OR SOMETHING.
IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT IN OUR AREA AND IT'S JUST DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY AGAINST IT.
THAT'S ALL THE VOICEMAILS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. MARTINEZ, WOULD YOU LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE POINTS MADE BY, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? UH, WELL, YES SIR.
UM, I'M ONLY IN THE CAR BUSINESS AND I'M 70 YEARS OLD ABOUT TO RETIRE AND, UH, I SELL BARBACOA AND, UH, PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE SELL CARS IN BARBACOA AND THEY'RE AT THE
AND, UM, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY FROM ENGLE BATH, BUT I'M, UH, GENERALLY IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, ON MY KIDS GRADUATED FROM SAN ANTONIO, UH, TO T S A AND IN
AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT BAD ENOUGH OR NOT FAIR OR TO BEING AN EYESORE, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S CAR LOT TO CAR LOTS.
THIS WILL BE A, A USED CAR LOT THAT WILL SELL GOOD USED CARS, LIKE I SAY, SEVEN TO 10, SIX TO EIGHT PAINT CARS.
I DON'T HAVE NO MECHANICAL WORK ON OR NOTHING.
AND, UM, MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 857-5644.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. MARTINEZ, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE HOLD ON THE LINE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
AND YES, SIR, UH, I THINK I WILL HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU MYSELF.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO I'M GOING TO TAKE, UH, THE FIRST INSTANCE STAFF.
ONE THING, UM, THAT I NOTICED WHEN YOU LOOK AT, TAKE A LOOK AT THE ONE STOP MAP IS THIS IS A FAIRLY ISOLATED ISLAND OF C TWO ON, UH, ESMERALDA 36TH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT IN THAT AREA.
UH, DO YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF THAT CHANGE STAFF THAT CHANGE WHAT SIR? I'M SORRY, I, MR. MARTINEZ, I'LL, I'LL, UH, ASK YOU
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QUESTIONS, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW I'M ASKING, UH, THE STAFF OF THE CITY A QUESTION.SO, YES, THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY CANNOT, COULD BACK WHEN IT WAS REZONED IN, WHEN WAS IT, 2015.
UM, IT COULDN'T BE REZONED TO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND SO THEY REZONED IT TO C2.
AND SO THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES THAT MR. MARTINEZ IS GOING TO FACE IN TRYING TO DEVELOP, JUST BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY TO GET, UM, UN FLOODED ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
AND SO WE DID MAKE HIM AWARE OF THAT.
UM, BUT IT IS JUST OUR OPINION THAT AT THE TIME WHEN THEY HAD NO OTHER OPTION, THEY WENT WITH A GENERAL COMMERCIAL USE, JUST A, YOU KNOW, RETAIL KIND OF THING WHERE SOMEBODY COULD MAYBE PUT IN A LITTLE RESTAURANT OR A LITTLE RETAIL SPACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF, UH, IN ORDER TO KEEP IT DEVELOPABLE.
UH, BUT IT IS OUR OPINION THAT BY ALLOWING A USE THAT IS USUALLY ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN A C THREE, THAT, UM, THAT IS JUST A LITTLE TOO INTENSE FOR THE AREA AND IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ALLOW ANYONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ZONING IS IN PERPETUITY.
SO IF IT DID GET REZONED TO C TWO CD FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND MR. MARTINEZ IS NOT ABLE, DOES, ISN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AND SOMEONE TAKES IT OVER, THEY MAY NOT BE AS GOOD OF A NEIGHBOR AS, AS HE'S PROPOSING TO BE.
UH, MR. MARTINEZ, TO YOU, SIR, YOU'RE AWARE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK AND YOU DON'T OWN EVEN THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT FACES ESMERALDA, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
UH, I'M GONNA PASS IT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, UH, MR. MARTINEZ, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO SELL CARS.
UH, WE ARE LIMITING YOUR REQUEST TO THAT.
I'M NOT CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD END UP BEING, UH, REPAIRS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE.
THAT BEING SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST HERE IS FOR A FAIRLY INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK FACE ON A LARGELY RESIDENTIAL STREET SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, AND I'LL HAVE TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT HISTORY THAT THE STAFF JUST GAVE US REGARDING THIS PROPERTY BECOMING C TWO FIVE YEARS AGO, OR ALMOST SIX YEARS AGO NOW, PROBABLY, UM, IT, I THINK THE C TWO IS INAPPROPRIATE IN THIS SPACE TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THAT.
WE ARE ADDRESSING YOUR REQUEST FOR A CD, UH, FOR AUTO SALES AND I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT AS A RESULT.
I AM MAKING A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR ITEM NUMBER 17.
UH, I HAVE MADE A MOTION FOR DENIAL ON ITEM NUMBER SECOND 17.
COMMISSIONER WHITE HAS SECONDED.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, I JUST APPRECIATE MEMORIAL HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION, UH, CALLING IN AND GIVING THEIR FEEDBACK, UH, ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE JUST SEE 'EM FROM, THE SKY, THE GOOGLE, UM, BUT IN GETTING DOWN TO THE STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A VERY TENDER NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HOPE, UM, DENYING I'M, I'M GONNA PROVE THE MOTION TO DENY AND, UM, HOPEFULLY IT PASSES.
I THINK, UM, YOU HAVE A VERY SWEET NEIGHBORHOOD, MEMORIAL HEIGHTS AND I WISH YOU WELL AND CONTINUING YOUR EFFORTS TO IMPROVE ON IT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER, WE A COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES.
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AYE.[24. 21-2353 Appointment of two Zoning Commission Members to the Planning Commission Technical Advisory Committee for a two year term.]
THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IS THE, I NEED TO READ THIS SPECIFICALLY, UH, IS THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, NOMINATIONS PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A TWO YEAR TERM STAFF.IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US THE INFORMATION REGARDING THIS ITEM.
YES, I BELIEVE, UH, MONIQUE MEDO IS ON THE LINE.
MONIQUE, GOOD AFTERNOON ZONING COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS MONIQUE MARGAO AND I'M A PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, AND WE OVERSEE, UM, AND ORGANIZE, UM, TO COORDINATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND CURRENTLY TODAY, UM, OUR CURRENT MEMBERS ARE ROBERTS AS A PRIMARY MEMBER AND GAIL MCDANIEL AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER.
AND THEY'RE, BOTH OF THEIR TERMS ARE SET TO EXPIRE IN APRIL.
SO, UM, WE, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS, UM, TO APPOINT TWO ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A TWO YEAR TERM.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, UH, OF YOU, IT'LL BE ONE PERMANENT MEMBER AND ONE ALTERNATE.
AND THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TWO YEAR TERM.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONERS.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, ONE FOR COMMISSIONER S SIPSON, ONE FOR COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UH, COMMISSIONER S SIPES, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE SERVING AS A MEMBER OF, UH, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IF THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, PRESENTS ITSELF? YES, I WOULD.
THIS LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY MEETINGS AS WE ANTICIPATED.
SO, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, SAME QUESTION TO YOU.
UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING AND, UM, WE REALLY DID LOSE A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF TRACTION ON THE ROAD THERE, UH, DUE TO OUR BREAKS LAST SUMMER, OR I SHOULD SAY LAST YEAR, PERIOD.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR BOTH THOSE ANSWERS AND FOR YOUR SERVICE.
AND, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? DID I SEE COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO.
UM, ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS, UH, FOR THE FIRST, WELL, LET ME ASK A QUESTION TO STAFF FIRST.
UM, IF THERE WERE NO OTHER NOMINATIONS OTHER THAN COMMISSIONER AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UH, DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? VOTE ONE AND TWO.
DO WE NEED TO DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY? YOU DON'T NEED A ROLL, YOU DON'T NEED A ROLL CALL, VOTE VOTE AND YOU CAN DO THEM TOGETHER.
UM, AT THIS TIME, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OF ITEM NUMBER 24, I WOULD OPEN THE FLOOR TO A MOTION.
I, I I MOTION TO, UM, NOMINATE, UM, COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UM, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THERE WAS A MOTION, THERE WAS A MOTION FOR APPOINTMENT, UH, OF COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIELS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE BY COMMISSIONER MCKEE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, UNLESS THERE IS OPPOSITION, UH, WE CAN DO THIS BY ACCLAMATION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY A SIR.
I JUST NEED ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION.
UM, THESE ARE APPOINTMENTS TO THE PTAC AND IT WOULD BE COMM, UH, VICE CHAIR SIPES AS THE PRIMARY APPOINTEE AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AS THE ALTERNATE.
IS THAT CORRECT? LET ME, LET ME ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO COMMISSIONER MCGEE'S MOTION.
THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES AS THE PRIMARY AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AS THE ALTERNATE CORRECT.
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, ACCEPTED.
IS THAT SUFFICIENT STAFF? YES, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES IS THE PRI PRIMARY AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIELS IS THE ALTERNATE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
COME A POINT OF INFORMATION, BUT SINCE
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THEY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE NECESSARILY SERVING ZONING A AS THOSE COMMITTEES TEND TO COVER A LOT OF GROUND ON DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN THE AGENDA EVERY NOW AND THEN AN UPDATE ON P T A C AND, AND LET LET THE COMMISSIONERS GIVE US A, A SHORT UPDATE ON WHAT THEY'VE BEEN COVERING, MAYBE OR NOT? I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE AN AGENDA ITEM AS IT WOULD NOT BE AN ITEM.AND OF COURSE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME THE WORK SESSION.
AND, AND THIS GOES TO ALL COMMISSIONERS.
IF THERE'S EVER AN ITEM YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE COVERED IN THE WORK SESSION, UH, OF COURSE YOU CAN CONTACT ME, UM, AND I CAN CONTACT STAFF OR YOU CAN CONTACT STAFF DIRECTLY AND WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES, UH, THAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE IN WORK SESSION.
UH, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE.
UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET A LITTLE MORE ACTION THIS YEAR IN IT THAN THAN LAST IN LIGHT OF THE COVID RESTRICTIONS.
[25. 21-2114 Consideration and Approval of the March 2, 2021 Zoning Commission meeting minutes.]
OUR FINAL ITEM FOR TODAY IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 2ND, 2021 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES.UM, THOSE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.
DOES ANY COMMISSION MEMBER HAVE A, UH, CORRECTION QUESTION? ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE ON THESE ITEMS OR ON THE MEETING MINUTES? EXCUSE ME.
FADE UP ALL NIGHT READING THEM.
WELL, YOU THEN, YOU MADE IT A LOT LONGER THAN I DID.
'CAUSE I THINK I, I GLAZED OVER IN FIVE MINUTES.
UM,
WAS THAT MARCH 2ND? MARCH 2ND, YES.
THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS AS SUBMITTED.
IS THERE A QUESTION? I MEAN, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? OH, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY DIRECTOR'S REPORT OF ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? NOTHING TO REPORT AT THIS TIME.
IN THAT CASE, IT IS 3 47 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION.
UH, AND THANK YOU STAFF AS WELL.