* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:28:48] THANK [00:28:48] YOU. [00:30:28] THANK [00:30:28] YOU [00:30:28] SO [00:30:28] MUCH, [00:30:29] STAFF. IF WE COULD PLEASE REVIEW THE CURRENT LIST OF 10 INDIVIDUAL ERS. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO TAKE FROM ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS? INDIVIDUAL HEARING? NONE, WOULD YOU? ITEMS, [00:35:11] UM, BUT, UH, THE BOYS A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECONDS. I, YES, YES, YES. AYE? YES. WHITE. WHITE. SORRY. YES. C [00:40:24] A SECOND. THIS TIME I'M GIVING UP. IS THERE A MOTION ON THE MOTION? OKAY. YES. COMMISSIONER JONES. ARE THERE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 6TH FOR ITEM 20? COMMISSIONER? ANY DISCUSSION? YES, [00:45:03] YES, YES. WITH THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING. I'M NOT GETTING ANY VISUAL. YEAH. ACTUALLY STAFF, IF YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND, UH, BEGIN GETTING US BACK LIVE. SO BACK ON THE RECORD, DR. HAY, WE WILL PROCEED ONCE WE GET COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. THERE IS COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. OH, I HAD HER FOR A SECOND. THERE SHE IS. ALRIGHT, DR. HAY, IF YOU WOULD PROCEED. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO, TO LOAD UP THE PRESENTATION. UM, SO IF WE COULD START ON SLIDE TWO, UM, I'LL GO FROM THERE. UM, SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ONE 18 LOTUS. IT IS A SINGLE STORY QUEEN AND STYLE RESIDENCE BUILT IN 1910. UH, IT'S LOCATED IN THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE, AND IT IS INCLUDED IN THE SOUTH PRESA, SOUTH ST. MARY'S NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THE HOME ITSELF IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT IS A QUADRUPLET. IT IS ONE OF FOUR PROPERTIES THAT ARE MIRROR IMAGES OF ONE ANOTHER ACROSS LOTUS STREET. WE SUSPECT THAT THEY WERE ALL BUILT AT THE SAME TIME AND BY THE SAME CONTRACTOR. AND, UM, UH, THESE WERE INTENDED TO BE, UM, RENTAL HOMES WHEN THEY WERE BUILT IN 1910, WHICH IS ANOTHER, UH, UNIQUE ASPECT OF THEIR HISTORY. TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, ON OCTOBER 20TH OF LAST YEAR, THE LA BACA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THIS PROPERTY TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE. UM, THE REQUEST [00:50:01] FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WAS, THAT WAS HEARD BY THE H D R C ON NOVEMBER 4TH, AND H D R C AGREED THAT THE STRUCTURE IS ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AND RECOMMENDED THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN THE REZONING PROCESS. UH, CITY COUNCIL HEARD THE CASE, UM, IN DECEMBER, ON DECEMBER 17TH, AND, UM, THEY DID DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN THE REZONING PROCESS ON, UH, ON THAT DATE. AND, AND THE H D R C HEARD, UM, THE CASE ONCE MORE ON JANUARY 20TH, AGREEING WITH CITY COUNCIL THAT, UM, IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AND SHOULD BE DESIGNATED. UM, I SHOULD POINT OUT HERE THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY WAS FOR SALE AND OWNERSHIP, UM, UH, DID CHANGE DURING THIS TIME. UM, O H P HAS REACHED OUT TO THE NEW OWNER, BUT HAS BEEN UNABLE TO CONTACT THEM AT THIS TIME. SO, UM, THAT, UH, UM, EFFORT IS ONGOING. I JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT THERE. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION EVALUATED THE PROPERTY FOR ELIGIBILITY UNDER THE U D C SECTION 35 6 0 7 B. UM, IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE AS A LANDMARK, UH, A PROPERTY MUST MEET THREE OF 16 CRITERIA. AND SO THE THREE THAT THIS PROPERTY MET, UM, WERE NUMBER ONE AS AN INTACT EXAMPLE OF A FOLKS VICTORIAN COTTAGE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN TYPICAL IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS JUST LIKE LAVACCA. UM, NUMBER FIVE, UM, AS A, AN UNUSUALLY INTACT EXAMPLE. SO WITH HIGH INTEGRITY THAT HAD NOT BEEN IMPACTED BY, UM, A RENOVATION OR MODIFICATION PRIOR TO SOME UNPERMITTED DEMOLITION THAT TOOK PLACE LAST YEAR. AND, UH, FOR NUMBER 13, BECAUSE THIS, UM, PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON A BLOCK OF HOUSES WHICH ARE NEARLY ALL INTACT. UM, AND FOR ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE OTHER THREE, UM, MEMBERS OF THIS LITTLE, LITTLE SET OF QUADRUPLETS HERE. RIGHT ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, AS I MENTIONED, UH, CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION, UM, IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND, UH, DIRECTING CITY STAFF TO INITIATE THESE ZONING CHANGES. UM, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, UH, AND CITY COUNCIL BOTH FOUND THAT THE PROPERTY WAS ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. OKAY. CAN GO ONTO MY LAST SLIDE AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. DR. HAY. UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? IS THE OWNER PREVIOUS OR CURRENT PRESENT STAFF? UH, NO SIR. WE HAVE MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS. WE, WE WILL RELY ON, UM, O H P TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL RESPONSE AS TO, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT WE HAVE TRIED AND WE GET A, WE PUT A CALL IN AND IT JUST RINGS AND RINGS AND RINGS. AND, AND IS THIS ALAMO CITY HOME BUYER INCORPORATED? IS THAT THE CURRENT OWNER OR IS THERE A NEW ONE STILL? STILL? WATER INVESTMENTS, L L C. OKAY. STILL WATER GROUP INVESTMENTS. L L C. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS. GREAT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UH, IN THAT CASE, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, UH, FOR DR. HAY COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, WE'LL START WITH YOU. UH, DR. HAY, HAD YOU TALKED TO THE OWNER THIS AT ANY TIME? UH, YES. THE PREVIOUS OWNER WE DID HAVE, UM, CONVERSATIONS WITH, WE WERE IN TOUCH WITH THEM AND IN FACT, UM, WHEN WE HAD DIFFICULTY REACHING OUT TO THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER, WE, WE ACTUALLY DID REACH OUT TO THE PREVIOUS OWNER TO, TO TRY TO GET, UM, THEIR HELP IN REACHING THEM AS WELL. SO IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NEW OWNER IS AWARE OF THIS PROCESS, UM, UH, GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WHAT ALERTED YOU TO WANT TO, UH, BRING THIS CASE BEFORE ZONING TODAY? UM, THANKS FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. SO, UH, THE CASE ORIGINATED AS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FROM THE LA VACA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO, UM, THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT TO O H P STAFF, UM, AND REQUESTED A HEARING BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT? UM, THAT DATE? EXCUSE ME JUST A SECOND. LEMME LOOK AT MY NOTES HERE. SO WE RECEIVED THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW ON OCTOBER 20TH OF LAST YEAR. [00:55:01] AND WHEN DID THE NEW OWNER PURCHASE THE PROPERTY? I HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL ON EXACTLY WHEN THE PROPERTY CHANGED HAND. ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON. LET ME SEE IF BEHEAD GIVES A DEEDED. IT SAYS MAY 29TH. YEAH, MAY 29TH OF LAST YEAR. AND LAVACCA REACHED OUT TO YOU THEN AFTER THE PURCHASE OF THIS, WHEN DID THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S ALREADY STARTING SOME TYPE OF REMOVAL OF THE HOUSE OR REPAIR OF THE HOUSE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? UM, SO, UH, THAT, UH, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AS WELL. THERE WAS SOME UNPERMITTED DEMOLITION ON BOTH THE FRONT AND THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, THERE WAS A PORCH REMOVED FROM THE FRONT AND THEN THERE WAS AN ADDITION REMOVED FROM THE REAR. WHAT'S THE DATE OF THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE ON THE, ON THE SCREEN? UM, THAT PHOTO I BELIEVE WAS TAKEN, MY NOTES HERE WOULD'VE BEEN TAKEN PRIOR TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION HEARING IN NOVEMBER. SO SOMETIME BETWEEN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE ALERTED WHEN IT LOOKED LIKE DEMO PARTICULAR PROPERTY. UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW A, HOW, LET ME ASK YOU, DO, DO YOU PAY TAXES ON THIS PROPERTY? DO YOU OWN THIS PROPERTY TAXES ON THIS PROPERTY? NO. OBVIOUSLY THAT I DO NOT OWN THIS PROPERTY. YOU DON'T OWN IT NOR DOES THE CITY OWN IT OF WHAT YOU REPRESENT. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE NOT AN OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, NOR DO YOU PAY TAXES, BUT YOU WANNA COME TO US AND REPRESENT SOME TYPE OF, OF, UH, SOMETHING, UH, SOME TYPE OF MOVEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY WHEN YOU, YOU OWN NEITHER. COULD YOU EXPLAIN HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO VOTE FOR YOU, THE NON-OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY? IS THERE ANY, I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE COULD DO A CONTINUANCE UNTIL HOWEVER MANY CONTINUANCES THAT IS, UNTIL THE OWNER CAN REPRESENT HIMSELF. THAT'S KIND OF A NON-QUESTION. IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT. UM, LET ME ASK YOU, BACK TO THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE. YOU MENTIONED THAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BUILT THE SAME TIME WITH THE SAME CONTRACTOR. OF HOW MANY HOUSES ON THAT STREET? FOUR TOTAL? WOULD THAT BE THE TWO NEXT TO IT AND MAYBE TWO ACROSS THE STREET. SO ONE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST AND THEN THE TWO TO THE NORTH THAT FACE IT. UNLOAD. HOW MANY OF THESE HISTORIC HOMES DO YOU NEED TO SAVE TO MAKE, DOES IT MATTER IF ONE GOES JUST THE I THINK THE COUNCIL FELT LIKE THIS ONE NEEDED TO BE DESIGNATED. THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER FOR YOU. DO YOU KNOW WHY? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I'M TRYING TO PROTECT THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO THIS PROPERTY. SO, AND IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT DESIGNATIONS ALREADY ON THAT STREET, WHAT WHAT IS IT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THEN BY, BY THIS ONE? SO, DESIGNATION WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, FOLLOW THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND RECEIVE APPROVAL BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION PRIOR TO MAKING CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME. UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO MAKE THEM ELIGIBLE FOR TAX CREDITS THAT THEY CURRENTLY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR. SO THAT'S NOT COMPENSATION, WHICH SHOULD BE DONE BY LAW. WHAT ABOUT IF I GO DOWN LODA STREET? 'CAUSE I'M GOING EAST AND THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME VERY CONTEMPORARY MODERN COMPLEXES DOWN THERE. WERE THERE VICTORIAN HOMES SITTING THERE AT ONE TIME THAT WERE DEMOLISHED? UM, IT'S LIKELY THAT THERE WERE STRUCTURES THAT, UM, UH, WERE REMOVED AT ONE TIME WHERE THERE IS NEW CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS ONE OF OUR OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY. SO, UM, BUT WITHOUT LOOKING INTO A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, I COULDN'T ANSWER, UM, THAT VERY ACCURATELY. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA TAKE THAT AS A YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AND I OWE COMMISSIONER GR HOUSE AN APOLOGY FOR SKIPPING OVER HER CASE. UH, COMMISSIONER GR HOUSE TO YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I REALLY JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS, UM, ARE YOU, UM, WILLING [01:00:01] TO ACCEPT AN A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL THE 20TH FOR THIS CASE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER? YEAH, I, UM, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER AND, UM, THAT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY, UM, A WISE STEP IN ORDER TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR US TO, TO CONTINUE THAT OUTREACH AND TRY TO GET THEM, UM, ENGAGED WITH THIS PROCESS. OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WANT THAT AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, STAFF. I ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MYSELF. OH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL START WITH YOU. UM, I QUESTION FOR STAFF, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. SO WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS DESIGNATION PROCESS, WHAT STEPS DO YOU TAKE TO TRY TO CONTACT THE PROPERTY OWNER? IS THAT THROUGH REGISTERED MAIL OR JUST A LETTER OR JUST A PHONE CALL? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT EFFORTS YOU TAKE ON OUR END. IT IS, UM, WE HAVE REACHED OUT, WELL, THE OFFICIAL REQUIREMENT IS NOTIFICATION IN THE MAIL. IT'S NOT CERTIFIED MAIL, IT'S JUST REGULAR U S P S. UM, AND THEN, BUT WE ALSO MAKE AN EFFORT TO CONTACT THEM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE INFORMATION IN THE APPLICATION THROUGH EMAIL AND BY PHONE. AND WE HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN THOSE ATTEMPTS AS WELL. AND, UM, ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU MADE EFFORTS TO REACH THEM BY EMAIL OR PHONE? THREE SEPARATE ATTEMPTS AT TWO DIFFERENT CONTACT NUMBERS AND EMAIL. OKAY. AND, UH, ARE WE BASING IT ON THE ADDRESS THAT'S PROVIDED IN B A OR WHICH ADDRESS ARE WE, WHICH ENTITY ARE WE TRYING TO CONTACT? IT IS THE BCA DATA WE HAVE. SO YES, IT WOULD COME THROUGH, UH, FAIR APPRAISAL DISTRICT. UH, THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS WHEN I'M LOOKING AT BCA RIGHT NOW, I'M, I'M SHOWING ALAMO CITY HOUSE BUYER AS THE MAILING ADDRESS. ARE YOU USING THAT ADDRESS OR THE ONE THAT BELONGS TO THE STILLWELL GROUP? BOTH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? UH, AS I MENTIONED, I I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION AS WELL, WHICH IS STAFF. HAS ANY PERMIT BEEN ATTEMPTED TO BE PULLED ON THIS PROPERTY FOR ANY PURPOSE SINCE, UH, THIS MAY 20TH, UH, SORRY, MAY 29TH. 2020 DATE? IF YOU KNOW, AND IF NOT, IF YOU COULD JUST LOOK IT UP FOR THE NEXT MEETING. I'D APPRECIATE IT. DR. HAY, ARE YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT? I AM VERIFYING CURRENTLY THE LAST TIME I HAD CHECKED THERE WERE NO PERMITS PULLED FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, BUT I AM UM, MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UM, TO VERIFY THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH, IF YOU COULD CONFIRM IT FOR THE APRIL 20TH MEETING AS CLOSE AS, UH, REASONABLY POSSIBLE, I'D APPRECIATE IT. ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SEEING NO FURTHER QUEST. OH, COMMISSIONER SIPES, THANKS. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY A QUESTION, BUT A QUESTION WAS RAISED OVER WHETHER THERE WERE PREVIOUSLY, THERE WERE VICTORIAN HOMES ON THE SITE AT, UH, PRESA AND, UH, AND LOTUS THE INTERSECTION THERE. AND IT APPEARS THAT THAT USED TO BE A GAS STATION BEFORE THOSE CURRENT RESIDENCES WERE BUILT. GAS STATION WAS PROBABLY THERE AT LEAST 50 YEARS. SO, UM, IN THE IMMEDIATE PATH THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY, UH, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THERE. THAT WAS IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES COMMISSIONERS. IF NOT, WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AGAIN. OKAY. MAKING A MOTION FOR ITEM 23 FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE, UH, APRIL 20TH MEETING. SECOND COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH FROM COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? I, I THINK I MAKE MYSELF VERY CLEAR ON [01:05:01] HOW I FEEL ABOUT SOME OF THESE CASES, BUT UNTIL THAT OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY SHOWS UP AND IS AND MAKES THIS CASE WEAK, I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS COMES BEFORE ZONING. UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, YOU DO NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY. YOU'RE NOT EVEN COMPENSATING THE MAN FOR THE PROPERTY TAKING. AND I CALLED IT TAKING BECAUSE YOU'RE REQUESTING CERTAIN CRITERIA ON A HOUSE, UH, DESIGN THAT WASN'T THERE WHEN HE PURCHASED IT. SO UNTIL THAT PROPERTY OWNER SHOWS UP, AND I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON DR. HAYES TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN EVEN HEARING THIS CASE UNTIL THAT TIME, BUT IT GOES THE WAY THAT IT GOES. AND PERHAPS ON APRIL 20TH, DR. HAYES, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAM? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE A COMMISSIONER GIBBON? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE. COMMISSIONER WHITE. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. CHE GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SYKE? YES. CHAIR BUS. A COMMISSIONER? WHITE. MOTION PASSES NINE FOR A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH. OKAY. AND UNTIL WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WHITE APPEAR AGAIN, I DO NOT SEE HIM. SO IF THE RECORD FOR REFLECT THAT HE IS, UH, NO LONGER PRESENT IN THE MEETING, I'D APPRECIATE IT IS ONE 50. IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO I D Z TWO WITH USE IS PERMITTED FOR 20 UNITS. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT SIX 11 ORIENTAL AVENUE. 42 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. ZERO OR SORRY, TWO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. NO RESPONSE WAS RECEIVED FROM SAN JUAN GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. COLLINS GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. AND A PETITION WITH 24 SIGNATURES OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THE EXISTING R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE EXISTING R FIVE ALLOWS FOR ONE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT WITH AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. IF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, IF THE PROPERTY IS OWNER OCCUPIED, THE PROPOSED I D Z IS SUITABLE TO THE AREA AND PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS WITH THE CONSIDERATION FOR 20 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS. THE REQUEST IS LIMITED TO THE SITE PLAN WITH A MAXIMUM OF FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT AND A REQUIRED FIVE FOOT PERIMETER SETBACK. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, BUT THE APPLICANT WILL BE AMENDING THEIR REQUEST. MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT? MADAM AGAIN? YES, PLEASE. MR. CHRISTENSEN. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY, SUITE 2,700. UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH THIS CASE. IT'S A DIFFICULT PROPERTY. IT'S, IT'S NEVER BEEN DEVELOPED. UH, THE, THE SUBDIVISION AROUND IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT IN THE THIRTIES AND FORTIES. UM, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH 29 UNITS. WE HAVE SINCE AMENDED THAT DOWN TO 15 UNITS TOTAL FOR THE PROPERTY. THEY WILL ALL BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH DRIVEWAYS, TWO CARS, PARKING FOR TWO CARS ON EACH, ON EACH LOT. I BELIEVE THIS MEETS MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS. THE PETITION AND OPPOSITION. THE OPPOSITION LETTER WAS ORIGINATED BACK WHEN WE STARTED WITH 29 UNITS, WHICH WAS PROBABLY A LOT FOR THIS, THIS PROPERTY, IT'S ONLY 1.2 ACRES, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THE 15 UNITS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA AND MORE IN, IN TUNE WITH WHAT'S EXISTING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHRISTENSEN STAFF. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. UH, IN THAT CASE, MR. CHRISTENSEN, IT'S GOING TO COME TO ME AS THIS IS A, UH, DISTRICT FIVE CASE. UM, MR. CHRISTENSEN, ARE YOU GOING TO, UH, FORMALLY AMEND YOUR REQUEST? AND MAY I ASK YOU TO DO THAT? YES, I APOLOGIZE. YES, I APOLOGIZE. YES. SO I'M AMENDING [01:10:01] MY INITIAL REQUEST, WHICH WAS FOR I D Z TWO AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 29 UNITS. I'M AMENDING THE CASE AND I SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN TO STAFF FOR NO MORE THAN 15 UNITS. AND I D Z ONE, THE I D Z ONE, I THINK WILL ALLEVIATE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HEIGHT THAT WERE RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING. UM, AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. SO 15 UNITS ID Z ONE. THANK YOU MR. CHRISTENSEN. UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THIS TIME, GIVEN THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE. UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, UH, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS AMENDED FOR I D Z ONE WITH 15 UNITS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED FOR 15 UNITS I D Z ONE BY ME. UH, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, UM, WITH, UH, BY GOING DOWN TO 15 UNITS. THAT'S , ALMOST AN R FOUR DESIGNATION. IF, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, AND CONSIDERING THERE'S R FOUR ON THE, THE SAME STREET AND IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD FIT. SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. ANY FURTHER? COMMISSIONER, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE? UH, I, NONE I HAVE TO SAY I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SIPES. UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE HOPE IN, IN GETTING TO THIS POINT WAS TO KEEP IT IN LINE WITH THE COMMUNITY WHILE THE SAME TIME SORT OF EFFECTUATING THE PURPOSE BEHIND I D Z, UH, WHICH IS TO TAKE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED HISTORICALLY AND GET THEM DEVELOPED. UM, SO THANK YOU. UH, SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. DR. JEFF? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. PRO TEMP GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. AND CHAIR BUSSA AYE. MOTION PASSES AS AMENDED TO IDD ONE WITH 15 UNITS BY A VOTE OF NINE TO ZERO. THANK YOU. IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO MF 18. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 11,000 BLOCK OF BRON ROAD. 50 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. 10. WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. ONE. OUTSIDE THE BUFFER OUTSIDE. THE 200 FOOT BUFFER WAS RECEIVED IN SUPPORT AND ONE OUTSIDE THE BUFFER WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THE CURRENT R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED MF 18 IS ALSO APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA AND WILL PROVIDE A DIVERSE HOUSING ALTERNATIVE FOR THE AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT. GOOD AFTERNOON AVAILABLE. OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS EMILY WEISER WITH KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. YOU MAY PROCEED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, STAFF, IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND START WITH SLIDE TWO OF THE PRESENTATION. UM, AS STAFF MENTIONED IN THEIR SUMMARY, UM, THE PROPERTY IS JUST UNDER SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES WITH FRONTAGE ON BRAUN ROAD, UM, EAST OF THE FIELD. THERE IS A LARGE SWATH OF LAND IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US, UM, THAT IS ALSO OWNED BY MR. NICHOLS WHO SHARE WITH ME. HE'S THE PROPERTY OWNER AND DEVELOPER FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, THAT'S HOME, THE LOCKWOOD BRO OAKS CAMPGROUND AND NATURAL AREA. UM, BUT THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY ALL WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT FEATURES SOME REALLY GREAT NATURAL FEATURES, RESOURCES, UM, AND IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE COMMUNITY AMENITY FOR THIS AREA. ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTY IS JUST OVER SEVEN ACRES, IT IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY UNIQUE SHAPE THAT REQUIRES A UNIQUE AND CREATIVE APPROACH TO SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. UM, [01:15:01] VIA THIS M MS 18 ZONING REQUEST. SLIDE THREE PLEASE. UH, SLIDE THREE IS JUST A ZOOMED OUT AERIAL TO PROVIDE SOME GEOGRAPHICAL CONTEXT. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ARE WEST OF 1604 AND LESLIE ROAD ALMOST INTO HE LOTUS. UM, THIS PROPERTY WASN'T ANNEXED INTO THE CITY UNTIL 2002. UH, VULCAN QUARRY IS TO OUR NORTH. AND THEN, UH, DEAN KRUGER ELEMENTARY IS ALL THE WAY TO OUR SOUTH. UH, THIS CASE HAS BEEN CONTINUED A FEW TIMES IN THE PAST TO ENSURE ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH THE ADJACENT H O A, WHICH IS THE ENCLAVE AT LAUREL CANYON. UH, MR. NIAL AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN IN REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, AS WELL AS THE LAUREL CANYON'S, H O A BOARD. WE PRESENTED TO THEM FORMALLY JUST UNDER TWO WEEKS AGO. UH, THERE WE WERE ABLE TO ANSWER A TON OF QUESTIONS, DISCUSS THE LAND PLAN FOR THIS SITE, RESOLVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONCERNS, AND, AND GARNER SOME SUPPORT. SLIDE FOUR, PLEASE. SO THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R FOUR. UM, WE ARE ADJACENT TO RMM FOUR. UM, AND THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS FOR MF 18 TO FACILITATE A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITHIN A CONDO REGIME. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK AND FEEL LIKE A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THE DIFFERENCE BEING MORE OR LESS TRANSACTIONAL WITH THE HOMES FOR SALE, THE LAND UNDERNEATH OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY A COLLECTIVE ASSOCIATION. UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, GIVEN THIS SITE'S PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS, SHAPE SIZE ORIENTATION, THE PROPOSED M F 18 OFFERS THE ABILITY TO FLEXIBLY AND CREATIVELY ORIENT A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT PROVIDES MAXIMUM SEPARATION FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES IN LAUREL CANYON, UM, AS WELL, UM, WHERE WE ADJOIN MERIT FIELD AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE SOME AMPLE GREEN SPACE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, UH, WHICH DOES CONNECT TO MR. CAN, UH, MR. NICHOLS CAMPGROUND SITE NEXT DOOR. SO THERE IS A OVERALL COHESIVE EXPERIENCE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THE ADJACENT CAMPGROUNDS. THE MINIMAL WIDTH AND UNUSUAL SHAPE OF THIS SITE REALLY DOES RESTRICT AGAINST, UM, ANY REALISTIC DEVELOPMENT OF TRADITIONAL APARTMENTS VIA THE MF 18 DESIGNATION PROPOSED TODAY. UM, BUT IT DOES FACILITATE A LIMITED DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UM, WHICH CONTINUES TO IMPROVE THE OVERALL HOUSING STOCKS AND DIVERSITY OF HOUSING OPTIONS HERE IN THIS PART OF DISTRICT SEVEN. IF WE CAN MOVE TO SLIDE FIVE, PLEASE. UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE WEST SECTOR PLAN, UM, IN DESIGNATED SUBURBAN TIER. UH, THE M MS 18 REQUEST IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE PLAN DESIGNATION. UM, IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE RMM FOUR TO THE EAST AND R R FOUR TO THE WEST. UM, BUT IT ALSO SATISFIES THREE MAJOR HOUSING GOALS IN THE WEST SECTOR PLAN, UM, TO INCLUDING HOUSING, STOCKS, DISTRIBUTION OF DENSITY, HOUSING TYPE PRICE, AND RANGES FACILITATION OF NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT NEAR EXISTING COMMUNITY FACILITIES SUCH AS THE CAMPGROUND AND BALL FIELDS NEARBY, AS WELL AS SCHOOLS AND PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THIS BROAD ROAD FRONTAGE. SLIDE SIX, SORRY, SLIDE SEVEN PLEASE. UH, SLIDE SEVEN SHOWS AN EXAMPLE RENDERING OF THE PRODUCT TYPE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO STORIES, TWO CARS, DRIVEWAYS, GARAGE SPACE, UM, THESE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH WILL BE COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO MANY OF THE, THE EXISTING HOMES IN THIS COMMUNITY. UM, THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BEING SMALLER YARDS, WHICH IS ATTRACTIVE TO MANY DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS. UM, MY HUSBAND INCLUDED, UH, WE ANTICIPATE PRICING TO BE IN THE MID TWO HUNDREDS. UM, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS WILL DEFINITELY LOOK AND FEEL LIKE A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY, BUT ADDS A SLIGHT MIX TO THE AVAILABLE HOUSING TYPE, UM, WHICH IS REALLY CRITICAL FOR THIS PART OF WEST SAN ANTONIO THAT IS GROWING AND CONTINUES TO GROW VERY RAPIDLY. SLIDE SEVEN, PLEASE. UM, THIS IS OUR LAST SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS OUR LAND PLAN. YOU CAN SEE A TOTAL OF 59 HOMES HERE WITH AMPLE GREEN SPACE SPREAD THROUGHOUT. UH, THERE IS AN INTERIOR ROAD THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, COMING FROM BRAUN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT. UM, BUT THERE IS ALSO GREEN SPACE AND OPEN SPACE, UM, BEFORE THOSE HOMES WHERE WE ADJOINED MERIT FIELD. UM, AND WE HAVE VERY DISTINCTLY INTENTIONALLY PLACED THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOLLOWED BY THE HOMES TO CREATE THE MAXIMUM SEPARATION FROM THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENCES. UM, AND AS THE POINT OF REFERENCE ON THE LAND PLAN, THE NARROWEST SPOT OF GREEN SPACE WHERE WE ADJOIN MERRIT FIELD, UM, IS ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 FEET WIDE. SO THERE IS STILL SIGNIFICANT BUFFERING AND SEPARATION FROM THOSE BACKYARD FENCES, UM, TO THE NEAREST HOME, UM, IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE CONCENTRATED OVER HALF OF THE HOMES, UM, [01:20:01] ON THIS LAND PLAN. YOU CAN SEE OVER HALF OF THE HOMES ARE ON THE BROAD ROAD SIDE. SO WE'VE REALLY PUSHED THE QUOTE UNQUOTE DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT, UM, AWAY FROM THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENCES. UM, WE DO SYMPATHIZE AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT SEVERAL FOLKS IN LAUREL CANYONS WERE SOLD THEIR HOMES UNDER THE PREMISE OF THIS PROPERTY BEING A GREEN BELT. UM, WE HATE WHEN THAT HAPPENS AND WE KNOW THAT IT HAPPENS. UM, BUT WE'VE TAKEN SIGNIFICANT MEASURES AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS LAND PLAN TO PROVIDE AS MUCH BUFFERING AND SEPARATION AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO REALLY LIMIT DENSITY. UM, THIS IS LESS THAN 18 UNITS AN ACRE, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN 18 UNITS AN ACRE. BUT, UM, IT REALLY IS A THOUGHTFUL, UH, RESERVED CONSERVATIVE DESIGN FOR THIS PROPERTY, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE KEPT THOSE ADJACENT RESIDENCES IN MIND. UM, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT STEP IS WHERE IN THE PROCESS IS WHERE WE REVIEW TRAFFIC IMPACT, UM, AND WORK WITH THE CITY TO DETERMINE ANY MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS. WE WILL COMPLY WITH ALL OF THOSE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY, PARTICULARLY WHERE WE ACCESS, UM, IN AND OUT OF BRO ROAD. UM, IT COULD BE A MYRIAD OF THINGS, UM, BUT WE WILL WORK WITH THE CITY DIRECTLY, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING TRAFFIC HERE ON BRON ROAD. UH, PREEMPTIVELY THOUGH YOU CAN SEE WHERE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW PARKING SPACES. UM, AND THAT WAS DONE VERY INTENTIONALLY, UM, FOR THOSE NEW RESIDENCES. UM, HOPEFULLY ONE DAY WE CAN HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY OVER INTO OUR HOMES AND AND CELEBRATE THINGS TOGETHER. UM, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD SOME OVERFLOW PARKING TO NOT CREATE ANY OVERFLOW PARKING SITUATION IN THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY. SO THAT WAY WE HAVE THIS PLAN ALLOWS FOR AT LEAST 40 EXTRA PARKING SPACES, UM, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF PEOPLE'S HOMES. SO WE'VE DONE THAT VERY, VERY DISTINCTLY. UM, IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, UM, IN, IN YOUR VIEW. UM, BUT ABOUT FOUR ACRES OF THE SITE WILL CONSIST OF THE HOMES THEMSELVES WITH ANOTHER ACRE AND A HALF FOR THE INTERNAL RIGHT OF WAY, BUT ALMOST TWO ACRES OF OPEN SPACE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THIS PLAN. SO BETWEEN THE 59 HOMES, 40 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT AND IN VERY AMPLE GREEN SPACE, WE THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY PROMISING, WELL, WELL THOUGHT OUT DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS UNUSUAL, DIFFICULT PIECE OF LAND TO, TO PLAN FOR. AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, WE HAVE CONTINUED THIS CASE SEVERAL TIMES TO WORK WITH THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY. UM, ALMOST ALL, IF, ALMOST ALL, IF NOT ALL OF THE COM RESPONSES THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, UM, IN OPPOSITION ARE FROM WELL OVER TWO MONTHS AGO. UM, AND WE'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS AND HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS SINCE THEN, UM, INCLUDING OUR PRESENTATION AT THEIR IN-PERSON MEETING JUST TWO WEEKS AGO. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. UM, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS REQUEST TODAY. UH, MYSELF AND MR. NICHOLS ARE HERE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MS. WEISLER, UM, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES SIR, WE DO HAVE SOME VOICEMAIL. VERY GOOD. HI, MY NAME IS BRIAN MORGAN. THE CASE NUMBER IS Z AS IN ZEBRA, ZEBRA 2 0 2 0 7 0 0 2 8 7. UM, MY HOME ADDRESS IS TEN EIGHT TWO SEVEN MERRIFIELD. I AM IN THE 200 FOOT, UH, ZONING RESTRICTIONS. I APOLOGIZE FIRST FOR THE LATE NOTIFICATION. I RECEIVED THIS BY WORD OF MOUTH YESTERDAY AT AROUND 5:00 PM AND DIDN'T GET THE EMAIL TILL ABOUT 10 30. I ALSO SENT AN EMAIL. UM, BUT BASICALLY IT'S JUST NEIGHBORS TELLING NEIGHBORS AT THIS POINT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO OPPOSE THE ZONING ON THIS FOR TWO REASONS. ONE IS TRAFFIC. UM, I HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS ON HOW THIS SUBDIVISION OR THIS ZONING AREA IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS BRAUN IF, UM, IF THERE'S STUDIES ALREADY FOR THE ROAD, YOU KNOW THAT THIS ROAD IS HIGHLY CONGESTED EVERY, EXCUSE ME, EVERY MORNING. UM, AND I DON'T SEE HOW ADDING 200 OR 100 EXTRA CARS TO THIS ROAD OR HAVING A HIGH DENSITY ZONING IS IN ANY WAY GONNA WORK WITH THIS, WITH THIS ROAD. UM, THAT BEING SAID, I NOTICED THAT MOST OF THE HEAVY USERS, THERE'S A CONCRETE COMPANY LIKE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON BRAUN, THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THIS NOTIFICATION. UM, AND THEY HAVE 18 WHEELERS. AND I MEAN, THIS IS A PRETTY BIG TRAFFIC ISSUE OF HOW THIS IS GONNA BE ZONED AND I HONESTLY HAVE NOT SEEN A SINGLE PIECE OF DATA OR ANY CONSIDERATION TO THE TRAFFIC AND TO HOW THIS IS GONNA BE DEVELOPED. SECOND, UM, [01:25:01] ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT IN NO WAY HAVE I SEEN ANY OF THIS, ANYTHING LOCKED DOWN ON WHAT ACTUALLY IS BEING BUILT. ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS AND EVERYONE THAT HAS RECEIVED, UM, PICTURES OF THESE BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND THESE CONDOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT. THERE, THERE ARE TWO STORY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. HELLO, MY NAME'S WILLIAM COX. I LIVE AT 1 0 8 3 0 MONROE FIELD. THIS IS REGARDING ZONING CASE 1 0 7 0 0 2 8 7. UM, BACK ON MARCH THE THIRD, UH, DURING A, UH, H O A MEETING, EMILY WISER STATED THERE WAS GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT HAD BEEN MOVED TO MARCH THE 16TH. UH, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY HAD NOT BEEN POSTED AND IT WAS PUBLIC HEARINGS WERE NOT SENT TO, UH, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE TENTATIVE CALENDAR. ON MARCH 8TH, I CALLED THE CITY PLANNER AND THA WITH CONCERNS ABOUT A POSSIBLE THREE 16 MEETING BECAUSE RESIDENTS IN THE BUFFER HAD NOT BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS PUBLIC MEETING. MARCH 9TH, SHE SENT ME A DIGITAL COPY, WHICH WAS EMAILED. UM, AS OF YESTERDAY, MARCH THE 15TH, I POSTED AN ONLINE POLL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGE ASKING IF ANYBODY RECEIVED THE ZONING CHANGE AS OF EIGHT O'CLOCK THIS MORNING. THE POLL YIELDED 31 PEOPLE. IT SAID THEY HAD NOT RECEIVED A NOTICE FOR THE, THE CHANGE ON THE DATE OF THREE 16 AND ZERO PEOPLE REPLIED. YES. UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, TAKING PLA A PUBLIC MEETING TAKING PLACE WITHOUT, UM, THE PUBLIC BEING NOTIFIED THAT THE 200, THE APPROXIMATELY 50 PEOPLE IN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER ZONE, UM, I PROPOSED AN EIGHT FOOT STONE OR MASONARY FENCE ALONG A PORTION OF THE BOUNDARY THAT ADJOINS MR. NICHOLS PROPERTY TO THE 14 HOMES IN LAUREL CANYON, AS WELL AS CANOPY TREES PLANTED EVERY 25 FEET. THAT'S A TOTAL DISTANCE, ABOUT 750 FEET, WHICH IS A SMALL PORTION OF HIS BORDER AROUND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. MR. NICHOLS STATED THE MASONARY FENCE IS TOO EXPENSIVE. WE DISCUSSED THE HYBRID FENCE THAT THE AESTHETICS MATCHED THE FENCE MATERIALS USED ALONG ASYLUM, UH, WHICH IS IN LAUREL CANYON. I SUGGESTED AN OPTION OF BRICK PILLARS AND WOOD TICKETS AND HE SAID HE WOULD CHECK ON PRICING, BUT HAS NEVER RESPONDED BACK TO OUR REQUEST. MR. NICHOLS IS PITCHING THE TYPE AND STYLE OF HOMES TO US, YET HE HAS NO BUILDER. WHEN A FUD WAS SUGGESTED DURING THE H O A MEETING, MR. NICHOLS STATED THAT WOULD NOT WORK AND FORCES HIM TO FOLLOW THE PARAMETERS. AND HE NEEDS MORE FLEXIBILITY AND CHANGES THAT HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ALONG THE WAY. UH, WE AS THE CITIZENS WE'RE GREATLY CONCERNED THAT MR. NICHOL, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S ALL THE COMMENT WE HAVE. VERY GOOD. UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT SEVEN CASE COMMISSIONER SIPES. YES. AND, UH, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS, UH, BOTH FOR, UH, EMILY AND FOR UH, STAFF. UM, AND I'LL START WITH STAFF JUST TO ASK WHAT, IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, UM, TYPE OF ZONING THAT WOULD WORK IN ORDER TO GUARANTEE YOU MIGHT SAY A SINGLE FAMILY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? SOMETHING OTHER THAN MF 18? I MEAN, WOULD, CONSIDERING THE, THE TRULY WEIRD SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD, WOULD AN I D Z TYPE OF ZONING EVEN WORK OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE STYLE THAT THEY'RE DOING? THE TOWNHOME? THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS THE M F 18. OKAY. OKAY. SO M F 18 IS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE OKAY. CORRECT, DUE TO THE, UH, CONDO OWNERSHIP PER LOT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND, UM, I THOUGHT I SAW A, UM, ON THE PRESENTATION EITHER BY, I THINK IT WAS BY THE STAFF, UM, SHOWING THE FLOODPLAIN IS IS THAT AVAILABLE, LIKE WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING IT'S THAT SLIGHTLY LIGHT HATCHED AREA RIGHT THERE. PART OF IT DOES, YOU ARE CORRECT. IT IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THERE'S A FRINGE OF IT THERE ON THE OUTSIDE THE, UH, EDGE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM BRAUN ROAD. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND, UM, OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU. UM, AND I GUESS THE QUESTIONS FOR EMILY, COULD YOU EXPLAIN PERHAPS, UM, A WAY TO, TO ENSURE THAT, UM, CONSIDERING SOME OF THE, THE, THE CONCERNS RAISED BY HOMEOWNERS ABOUT CHANGING OF BUILDERS TO [01:30:01] ENSURE THAT THAT, UM, WHAT THEY'VE SEEN IS, IS WHAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE BUILT? YES. UM, HI COMMISSIONER SYKES. THIS IS EMILY. SO, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ALREADY. UM, WE, THIS CASE ORIGINATED, UM, WITH CHAD MA AS THE BUILDER. UM, AND IT WAS MADE EXPLICITLY CLEAR BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY WERE NOT, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF CHES, A CHES MA PRODUCT HERE, UM MM-HMM. . AND SO WE TOOK THAT INTO VERY, UH, SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. UM, AND, UM, HAVE, HAVE MOVED ON SINCE. UM, THIS IS AN OBVIOUSLY DIFFICULT SITE TO WORK WITH. UM, BUT WE ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE, UM, TO FINALIZING, UH, THE NEW BUILDER. UM, I DID INCLUDE A RENDERING, UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS REALLY ACCURATE, UH, FOR THE PRODUCT TYPE THAT WE'RE GOING FOR HERE, UM, FROM THE BUILDER. UM, SO WE'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO SECURING, TO BEING ABLE TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THAT BUILDER. UM, I, I, I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, THE, THE DIFFICULTIES INVOLVING CONTRACTS AND SUCH, UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN VERY UPFRONT WITH THE COMMUNITY, TAKEN EVERY ONE OF THEIR, UH, REQUESTS AND CONSIDERATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY TO HEART, UM, AND HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. MR. NICHOLS HAS, UM, YOU KNOW, TALKED OVER FENCE LINES, UH, FOR WEEKS NOW WITH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS. UM, AND WE PRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, TO, WITH THIS PRODUCT TYPE, UM, AND ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE TO FINALIZING THAT BUILDER. SO, UM, I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY, UM, AS WELL AS YOURSELF AND THE COMMISSION, UM, CAN FEEL VERY SECURE THAT THIS, UH, PRODUCT TYPE THAT WE PRESENTED TODAY, UM, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE PRESENTED TODAY, THIS PLAN, UM, IS, IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD IS SET IN STONE. OKAY. AND, AND COULD YOU ALSO ADDRESS, UH, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF THE CALLERS ON MITIGATION POSSIBILITIES? YEAH, SO THERE ARE, THERE, THERE'S A MYRIAD OF THINGS. UM, AND THAT COMES REALLY IN THE NEXT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, WITH THIS SITE AND THE CONFIGURATION THAT WE'VE PLANNED, THAT'S REALLY A, A MAXIMUM OF 59 HOMES. UM, BUT UM, IT COULD VERY WELL BE LESS THAN 59. UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY COMFORTABLE NUMBER FOR US. UM, SO THAT TECHNICALLY FALLS UNDER THE THRESHOLD FOR A T I A, BUT, UM, IN THE PLOTTING STAGES, UM, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. UM, IT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, A DESAL LANE OR RIGHT IN RIDE OUT ONLY. UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, TO HELP CONTROL THE TRAFFIC. UH, BRON ROAD IS A 15,000 TRIP, UH, CAPACITY ROAD. SO THERE IS PLENTY OF CAPACITY HERE ON BRON ROAD FOR 60 ADDITIONAL CARS. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT EVERY HOME, UH, OWNER HAS, UH, MORE THAN ONE VEHICLE, BUT, UM, WE DO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AND WE'LL BE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A TRAFFIC SITUATION ON BRA THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, OTHER DRIVERS, THE NEARBY RESIDENCES, ET CETERA. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, THANK YOU. UM, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THIS TIME HERE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES. UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, COULD YOU PUT BACK THE SLIDE OF THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE STREET AND THE HOUSES ON THERE? MY CONCERN IS AT THE, AT THE BACK END OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. OKAY, THAT ONE. SO MY CONCERN IS THIS BACK END OF THE DEVELOP OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU HAVE HOUSES THAT BACK UP TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT AND IT WAS GOING TO BE A GREEN BELT FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES LIVING THERE. AND NOW THEY HAVE A STREET. I MEAN, IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT PECULIAR AND I WOULD BE A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT I'VE GOT A STREET IN THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND NOW I HAVE A STREET IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSE. W WHY DID YOU PUT THE HOUSES OR THE, THE LOTS? WHY DID YOU DO THE DESIGN THAT WAY, EMILY? UM, UM, AND I WILL, I WILL LET MR. NICHOLS IS HERE WITH ME, ALSO CHIME IN. [01:35:01] UM, BUT THAT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE TO PROVIDE FURTHER SEPARATION FROM THE HOMES, UM, DONE THIS SEVERAL TIMES. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS ALWAYS A CONCERN, UM, WITH A GREEN BELT PROPERTY THAT YOU KNOW THAT SOMEONE'S BEEN SOLD, YOU KNOW, THEIR HOME AND THEY THINK THE BACKYARD BEHIND THEM IS A GREEN BELT, BUT THEY DON'T WANT SOMEONE ELSE RIGHT UP BEHIND THEM. AND SO THERE IS, LIKE I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, A MINIMUM OF ABOUT EIGHT FEET, EIGHT TO 10 FEET IN THE NARROWEST POINT, BUT THERE'S GREEN SPACE BEHIND THEM. AND THEN THE ROAD AND THE HOMES, UM, I THINK MR. NILES WILL CHIME IN, UM, RIGHT NOW AS WELL. AFTERNOON COMMISSIONER, THIS IS JAMES. SO INITIALLY WE ACTUALLY LAID THIS OUT WITH THE HOMES ABUTTING THE FENCE LINE TO MERRILL FIELD IN LAUREL CANYON. AND AFTER INITIAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK FROM SOME NEIGHBORS, THEY ACTUALLY ASKED US TO MOVE THEM FURTHER AWAY AND FLIP IT. WE HAD THE ROAD GOING ON THE BACKSIDE WITH THE HOUSES UP AGAINST THE FENCE. AND AFTER NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK, WE WENT BACK TO THE ENGINEERS AND I PAID THEM MORE TO CHANGE THE DRAWING. AND, UH, SO THIS WAS DONE WITH DIRECT NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK AND INPUT AND WE PUT AS MUCH GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE ROAD EVEN AND THE FENCE LINE AS POSSIBLE. AS EMILY SAID, THERE'S ABOUT 40 FEET AT THE WIDE POINT BETWEEN THOSE HOUSES AND THE STREET. AND THE NARROWEST POINT, IT'S ABOUT EIGHT FEET BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE FENCE. UH, IT DOESN'T SHOW REALLY WELL ON THIS LITTLE DRAWING BECAUSE OF SCALE, BUT, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A NICE BUFFER IN THERE. AND WE ARE TREE CENTRIC DEVELOPERS, AND SO WE WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PLANT A BUNCH MORE. OKAY. SO THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE EXISTING THERE FOR LET'S SAY 10 YEARS, PROBABLY HAD A BUFFER IN THEIR BACKYARD. NOW THEY WON'T HAVE A BUFFER, BUT THE NEW HOMES THAT YOU'RE BUILDING PROPOSING, AND THIS IS THIS BACKEND, THEY WILL HAVE A BUFFER. SO YOU'RE TAKING AWAY WHAT WAS THE BUFFER TO THE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, GIVING IT TO YOUR NEW NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEIR BACKYARD BACKS UP TO ALL TREES AND, AND, AND A LIFE BACK THERE. UM, HOW MUCH BACKYARD IS IN THOSE HOUSES THAT BACK UP TO THAT GREEN BELT NOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE BUILDING? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? IT'S ABOUT 30 FEET FOR THOSE, THOSE BACKYARDS. OKAY. UH, I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS LOWER THIS PORTION OF YOUR DESIGN. I DO, I JUST DON'T, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. YOU TOOK AWAY A GREEN BELT BUFFER AND, UM, OF COURSE YOU WOULD TAKE AWAY THE GREEN BELT BUFFER EITHER WAY. BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE A HOUSE BACKED UP TO A HOUSE, THEN THERE'S A ROAD, AND THEN THERE ARE HOUSES THAT WERE BACKED UP TO THE GREEN SPACE. UH, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THERE BEING A ROAD IN THE FRONT AND A ROAD IN THE BACK OF THESE PEOPLES. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ONCE IT'S BUILT. SO IT'S JUST THAT LOWER PORTION THAT DOESN'T EXCITE ME. AND THAT'S HALF YOUR PROJECT, YOU SAID 59 HOMES? CORRECT. SO THAT'S 23 HOMES RIGHT THERE. THAT'S LIKE HALF YOUR PROJECT. UM, I WOULD'VE KEPT THE DESIGN WITH THE HOUSES BACKING UP TO THE, THE OTHER HOUSES, BUT I'LL WAIT TO YOUR OTHER DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, LIKE MR. NICHOLS SAID, UM, THAT WAS A, A DIRECT RESULT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE FOLKS ALONG MERRIFIELD. UM, WE, WE ARE KEEPING AS MUCH OF A GREEN SPACE BUFFER BEHIND, BEHIND THEIR HOMES. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE WAY THE, THE SITE, UH, WITH THE WAY THE PARCEL IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME HAVE A BIT LESS THAN OTHERS. UM, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO TO REALLY ACCOMMODATE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, TO KEEP AS MUCH GREEN SPACE, UM, TREES BACK THERE, UM, TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THEIR PRIVACY AND THAT THAT BUFFER BACK THERE IS POSSIBLE. UM, BUT THAT ROAD PLACEMENT, UM, AS MR. NICHOLS SAID, WAS A, A DIRECT RESULT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE RESIDENCES. UM, WE HAD I'D TO SEE SOME RECORD OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS IF, IF IT DOESN'T PASS TODAY. BUT, UM, LET ME ASK YOU THEN. I THINK ONE OF THE APPLICANTS THAT CALLED IN OR ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT CALLED IN WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FENCE LINE, HAD AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONVERSATION AND THE TRANSPARENCY. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? UH, I THINK HE WAS, MAYBE THIS WAS ONE OF [01:40:01] HIS HOUSE BACKS UP TO THE GREEN BELT AND HE WAS ASKING FOR A DIFFERENT FENCE, IF THAT'S THE CASE. HAD ANYONE ASKED FOR, UH, BETTER FENCING, UM, THAT BACKS UP TO THIS LOWER PORTION OF IT. HEY COMMISSIONER, THIS IS JAMES AGAIN. YEAH, WE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE, UH, HOMEOWNERS. UH, SOME OF THEM WERE GETTING READY TO REDO THEIR FENCES, UM, LAST YEAR DURING THE COVID LOCKDOWN. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I OWNED THE ADJOINING, ADJOINING ADJOINING PROPERTY AND, UH, WE HIKED THE TRAILS BACK THERE AND WORK ALONG THERE QUITE A BIT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. AND WHEN I'D COME UPON SOMEONE WORKING ON THEIR FENCE OR GETTING READY TO, I SUGGESTED TO A COUPLE 'EM, I SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THIS. MAYBE WE CAN WORK A THING OUT. WE'LL, UH, REBUILD YOUR FENCES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. AND IT EVOLVED INTO A CONVERSATION. UM, WILLIAM COX WAS THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED HE WANTS A 10 FOOT MASONRY WALL, UH, BETWEEN LAUREL CANYON AND, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE ECONOMICS OF THAT ARE NOT REALLY FEASIBLE FOR THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. UH, I SUGGESTED, UH, JUST A REGULAR HIGHER WOOD FENCE AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO THAT. WE WANT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO LOOK NICE. WE WANT HOMES TO SELL AND WE WANT, UH, EVERYBODY TO LIKE WHAT'S GOING IN THERE. AND TO DO THAT, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY IN WHAT THAT FENCE LINE LOOKS LIKE. SO WE'VE GOT A BUDGET FOR THAT. WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE FENCES RIGHT NOW? UM, I DON'T BACK UP TO A GREEN BELT. I BACK UP TO A, WELL, I GUESS IT'S A SLIGHT GREEN BELT, SO I DON'T HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE. I HAVE AN KIND OF AN OPEN FENCE. SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE THEY'RE ALL PRIVACY RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE ALL SIX FOOT CEDAR, SO THEY HAVE A THAT KIND OF GOES AGAINST MY ARGUMENT. THEY HAVE A GREEN BELT, BUT THEY HAVE A SIX FOOT PRIVACY BEDS. OKAY. I MEAN, I WOULD A LITTLE MORE, BUT YEAH. OKAY. UH, THAT, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIVENS. OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER SIPES. ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, I HATE SAYING THIS AFTER EVERY CASE, IT SEEMS THAT COMES INTO MY DISTRICT. THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE, BUT THIS SITE IS, IS JUST SO UNUSUALLY SHAPED. UM, THE LAST TIME I SAW A SITE LIKE THIS, IT ENDED UP THAT THE DEVELOPER ENDED UP GIVING IT TO, UH, WE ENDED UP DEVELOPING IT AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY JUST BECAUSE RESIDENTIAL DIDN'T WORK. BUT THAT'S NOT GERMANE TO THE CONVERSATION. UM, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE NEIGHBORS ARE COMING FROM WITH THAT. THEY WERE SOLD THAT THIS WAS A GREEN BELT. HOWEVER, THEY DON'T OWN THIS PROPERTY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WERE ALWAYS ENTITLED TO HAVE A GREEN BELT VIEW FOR FOREVER. UM, HOW, YOU KNOW, UM, WE SEE THAT A LOT WHERE, WHERE, UH, RESIDENTS WILL COME AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS WAS GONNA ALWAYS BE FORCED TO LAND. WELL, YES, BUT IT'S NEVER BEEN SET IN STONE THAT THAT WAS GONNA ALWAYS BE FORCED TO LAND. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE. UM, MY STRUGGLES WITH THIS ARE THAT THE DESIGN IS NOT SET IN STONE YET. UM, THE MF 18, I WAS HOPING FOR SOMETHING AND, UH, ANOTHER WAY TO ENSURE THAT ONLY SINGLE FAMILY WOULD BE BUILT THERE. UM, UNDERSTANDING THE, THE DIFFICULTIES WITH, WITH THE SHAPE AND THE LAYOUT TO ACTUALLY BUILD APARTMENTS THERE. UM, I MEAN, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S JUST THAT BY GIVING IT MF 18, IT, THERE'S STILL THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH AND WITHOUT HAVING A A WITH HAVING ONE BUILDER DROP OUT AND HAVING ANOTHER BUILDER COME IN, THAT'S STILL NOT QUITE OFFICIAL. UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST GIVING ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE. UM, AND, AND AT THIS TIME, UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION [01:45:01] FOR, FOR DENIAL. UM, AND PERHAPS THE, THE DEVELOPER CAN COME UP WITH, UH, SOME MORE CONCRETE, UM, LAYOUT THAT, UH, BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNSEL. UM, BUT AT THIS TIME, UM, MY MOTION IS, IS FOR DENIAL. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE DENIAL GIBBONS. OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL AND A SECOND DISCUSSION PLEASE. COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. SO QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, AND UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT PARCEL WITH THE LAYOUT. APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY UNITS COULD BE PLACED ON THIS PROPERTY OF ZONING REMAINS AS IS 596. OKAY. AND IF NF 18 WERE TO GO FORWARD AND THIS CHANGE OVER HOW MANY UNITS UNDER MULTIFAMILY 18 WOULD THAT ALLOW FOR? LET ME, LET ME CONFIRM THAT NUMBER BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT I SPOKE TO SOMEONE ON THE PHONE ABOUT THIS CASE EARLIER AND I THOUGHT THE NUMBER I WAS USING WAS ACCURATE, BUT LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT FOR ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. SURE. YES. A BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE. UM, 133. OKAY. 133. OKAY. UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT NOW. YES MA'AM. WE'RE HERE. OKAY. SO I, I UNDERSTAND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN AND THAT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE. UM, IN YOUR DISCUSSION WITH THE ENCLAVE AND THE H O A THERE, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, I KNOW I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY THE WORD, BUT OF SOME KIND OF COVENANTS TO ACTUALLY HOLD YOU DOWN TO THE 59 UNITS? UH, NO, THAT HASN'T COME UP. UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR IT. UM, NOT SURE THAT, UM, BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, I CAN'T CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT LAUREL CANYONS WOULD BE WILLING TO BE A PARTY TO THOSE. UM, AND, AND THAT IS THE DIFFICULTY, AS YOU ALL KNOW WITH, UM, RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, IS THAT THERE HAS TO BE A, A PARTY TO THEM, UM, AND AN ENFORCEMENT MM-HMM. . RIGHT. WELL, IT, I, MY POINT IN RAISING THAT THOUGH, IF THAT WOULD GIVE THEM SOME COMFORT, UH, TO HOLD SUCH, UH, OPTION GIVEN THAT, AND EVEN LET'S JUST SAY THAT NOT ALL OF THE LAND CAN BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF THAT FLOOD AREA YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 500 HOMES POSSIBLY THAT COULD GO BACK THOUGH, OR ANOTHER 130 UNITS IF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS TO GO IN. SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF UNITS OF WHAT MIGHT BE THE BETTER PATH FORWARD FOR THAT. UM, I GUESS I MIGHT ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER IF HE MIGHT CONSIDER A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND YOUR OFFICE AND MAYBE THE, UH, HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION IF THAT IS SOMETHING NOW THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO THEM. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, COMMISSIONER SIPES, UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO A CONTINUANCE, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, SINCE THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED X AMOUNT OF TIMES WHAT, WHAT CITY STAFF WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. BUT I, I KIND OF, I GUESS SINCE UH, YOU RAISED THE QUESTION OF NUMBER OF UNITS, THE, THE STAFF, DID YOU SAY 530 AT ITS CURRENT ZONING? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT, WHY I, SORRY, THAT'S WHY I CORRECTED IT. NO, THE, THE CALCULATION IS ACTUALLY 133 UNITS, BUT THEN IF YOU ACTUALLY CA CALCULATE LIKE CONTINGENCIES AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF, THAT'S GENERALLY [01:50:01] ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO 25% OF IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY CAN ONLY GET, AND, AND BASED ON IT ALSO BEING PARTIALLY IN A, IN A FLOOD PLAIN, THEY COULD PROBABLY ONLY GET ABOUT A HUNDRED UNITS. OKAY. OKAY. BUT UH, AND THEN I GUESS IN REGARDS TO THE A CONTINUANCE, SINCE WE'VE BEEN CONTINUED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE PAST, IS THAT STILL A POSSIBILITY? IT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT HAS A, A NUMBER OF THEM, WE WOULD HAVE TO LIKELY DO A COURTESY NOTICE JUST TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THE NEXT DATE IS. YES. AFTER 60 60, WELL TWO MEETING DATES, SO THAT'S 60 DAYS ABOUT, THEN WE, WE'LL SEND A COURTESY NOTICE JUST FOR THE NEXT DATE SO THAT THEY KNOW. OKAY. AND THERE IS CURRENTLY A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE FLOOR. I KNOW THERE A WAY FOR ME TO, UH, WITHDRAW AND CHANGE MY MOTION OR DO WE HAVE TO VOTE? THERE'S ONE, THERE'S ONE MORE THING. VICE CHAIR S BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT BECAUSE IT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONTINUED TWICE, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD TO COUNSEL REGARDLESS OF HOW THE RECOMMENDATION TURNS OUT TODAY. I GOTCHA. OKAY. GOT IT. GOT IT. SO I GUESS WHAT, WHAT WOULD OUR NEXT STEP BE RIGHT NOW, SINCE THERE'S CURRENTLY A, SINCE I CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL, DO WE VOTE ON THAT AND I BELIEVE WE CAN REJECT THAT MOTION AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FOR RECONSIDERATION. SOMEONE WHO VOTED AGAINST THE MOTION CAN PROPOSE A SECOND MOTION. OKAY. COMMISSION? YES. STAFF. I JUST HAVE TO CLARIFY BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF CONTINUOUS DATES ON THE, UM, ON THE FOLDER. HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE HAD THE, THE EVENT IN FEBRUARY WHERE THE DATES WERE CANCELED BECAUSE OF THE WINTER STORM, THEN, UM, THAT WHAT I JUST SAID DOES NOT APPLY. IT HAS NOT BEEN CONTINUED TWICE. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER SITES, THIS IS EMILY. UM, WE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO A CONTINUANCE IF, IF ANYBODY WANTED TO KNOW. THANK YOU MS. WEISLER. UM, ALRIGHT. HAVE, IN LIGHT OF THIS DISCUSSION, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION AS TO THE CURRENTLY PENDING MOTION FOR DENIAL? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, I'M OPEN TO THAT CONTINUANCE TOO, SO I GUESS WE'LL VOTE IT IF WE VOTE DOWN THE DENIAL. MY REASON FOR DENIAL IS, UM, I, I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT LAYOUT OF A ROAD IN THE BACKYARD OF NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE A ROAD IN THE FRONT YARD. I FEEL THAT REALLY ALMOST NOT LANDLOCK SOME, BUT IT REALLY LOCKS 'EM INTO CAR TRAFFIC IN FRONT CAR TRAFFIC AND BACK. I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR THAT DESIGN. UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT THAT'S SIMILAR WITH A HOUSE BEHIND A HOUSE. THAT, THAT WAS MY, THAT'S MY BIG REASON FOR THE DENIAL. I DON'T THINK A HUNDRED, UM, UNITS IS FAVORABLE ON THIS PARTICULAR TRACK. IT WOULDN'T IT BE FEASIBLE? I DON'T THINK THE, THE MONEY IS THERE TO BE MADE IF IT WERE TO SAY MF 18. I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO SCARED OF A THOUGHT. THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS ANY FURTHER? CONVERSA ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UH, JUST A, I GUESS A POINT OF ORDER, UM, DEFINITELY NOT AN EXPERT ON ROBERT'S RULES, BUT CAN, COULD COMMISSIONER SIPES WITHDRAW HIS MOTION SO LONG AS THE COMMISSIONER WHO SECONDED HIS MOTION AGREED WITH THAT? COULD I GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT FROM STAFF? I BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN ANOTHER POSSIBILITY. STAFF, COULD YOU CONFIRM? CORRECT? YES. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER SIPES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS AS THE SECOND. DO YOU AGREE TO WITHDRAW THAT MOTION? I'M NOT WITHDRAWING THAT MY MOTION. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT. FURTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? NO. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? [01:55:01] NO. COMMISSIONER? NO. MR. WE? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE AS I UNFORTUNATELY TO STEP OUT FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PRESENTATION. I, I ABSTAIN. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. PRO GREATHOUSE. NO VICE CHAIR SITE? NO CHAIR BUSANTE? NO MOTION FAILED. EIGHT TO ONE AND ONE ATTENTION. OKAY. AND I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF. COMMISSIONER S SIPES, IF YOU COULD PLEASE ENTERTAIN THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. I WILL DO THAT. IS THERE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION BY SOMEONE WHO VOTED NO. CAN I MAKE THAT MOTION? OKAY. SORRY DANIEL, WAS THAT YOU THAT YES. I'M HAPPY TO OFFER A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE OF TWO WEEKS. UH, STAFF CONCERNED THAT FOR ME THOUGH, IF THAT'S, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT APRIL 6TH, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTOOD. UH, AND, AND IF THE APPLICANT IS, WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FIRST. OH, I'M SORRY. I NEED A MOTION TO, UH, AND OFFER A MOTION TO RECONSIDER PLEASE. SECOND WHO WE. ALRIGHT. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE ON THAT PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER CAYMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE ABSTAIN. AB COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. PRO TEMP GREATHOUSE? YES. BY CHAIR SITE? YEAH. OKAY. WE KNOW THAT THE CHAIR STEPPED OUT. SO A MOTION PASSES SEVEN TO ONE WITH ONE ABSTENTION. ALRIGHT. UM, STAFF, CAN I MAKE MY OWN MOTION FOR THE CONTINUANCE? YES, SIR. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, A FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE. SO THAT WOULD BE THE APRIL THAT 20TH, CORRECT? YES. FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH. SECOND MCDANIEL. OKAY. THERE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ANY DISCUSSION? UH, SEEING NONE, CAN I GET A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMAN? YES. WE AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, I'M GONNA VOTE YES. I'D LIKE EMILY TO GIMME A CALL ON THIS CASE. COMMISSIONER WHITE ABSTAIN. AB ABSTAIN ABS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. PROTIME GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR PSYCH? YES. AND CHAIR WITH THE MONTH STEPPED OUT. OKAY, SO MOTION PASSES FOR A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL THE 20TH BY EIGHT TO ZERO WITH ONE OF. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I GUESS WE WILL GO ON TO THE NEXT CASE. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO R FOUR OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 27 14 SOUTH WW WHITE ROAD. 70. NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED. IN OPPOSITION. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM LOWER EAST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE CURRENT [02:00:01] R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED R FOUR IS ALSO APPROPRIATE FOR PROPERTY AND WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND MORE CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. MR. VICE CHAIR? YES. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE? YES. COMMISSIONER SPES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, GO AHEAD. HI, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, COMMISSIONER SPES. COMMISSIONER. THIS IS CAROLINE MCDONALD BROWN AND ORTIZ ONE 12 EAST DECON, SUITE 1360. HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, I ALSO HAVE OUR ENGINEER, UH, MR. CURTIS LEE WITH TATE DAWSON, UH, HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS? UH, HE DOES HAVE TO JUMP OFF AT THREE THOUGH, SO I'M, I'M GONNA TRY TO GET THROUGH MY PRESENTATION QUICKLY. STAFF, CAN YOU PLEASE GO TO PAGE TWO OF, UH, MY PRESENTATION? AS STAFF INDICATED, THIS IS ABOUT 89 ACRES NORTHEAST OF SOUTH CROSS AND SOUTH WW WHITE. YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM TWO AND SMOKEHOUSE. FOR THOSE OF YOU ARE WHO ARE FAMILIAR, YOU PLEASE GO TO SLIDE THREE. RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R FIVE. WE ARE REQUESTING AN R FOUR ZONING. UH, THERE WILL BE ACCESS ONTO SOUTH W WHITE AND LOOP FOUR 10. THIS CASE WAS BEFORE YOU, UH, BACK IN EARLY FEBRUARY BEFORE THE FREEZE. AND, UM, WE DID, UM, GET A CONTINUANCE TO FURTHER WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON, UH, THE REQUESTED ZONING AND SITE PLAN. IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO TO SLIDE FOUR. THERE IS AN ASSOCIATED PLAN AMENDMENT WITH THIS CASE. RIGHT NOW, THE PROPERTY HAS, UH, THREE DIFFERENT, UH, LAND USE DESIGNATIONS THAT IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL URBAN LIVING AND PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. UH, ALONG WITH THE REZONING REQUEST, WE DID, UH, REQUEST A CHANGE TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ON FEBRUARY 10TH. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, ON THE AERIAL, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY. THERE IS ABOUT AN 80 FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT CUTS THROUGH THE CENTER OF OUR PROPERTY MAKING DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE CHALLENGING, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH A STRAIGHT R FIVE ZONING AND THOSE THAT SIZE OF LOT. SO WE ARE REQUESTING A CHANGE OF ZONING TO R FOUR TO ALLOW FOR A MIXTURE. UM, AND AT THIS TIME, CURTIS, IF YOU'RE ON THE LINE, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT THAT WILL COME INTO PLAY WITH THIS SIZE OF DEVELOPMENT? UM, SURE. UH, THIS IS CURTIS LEE WITH PAYPAL ENGINEERS BY 1165 VISTA BONITA, NEW BRAS, TEXAS. UM, SO WITH, UH, WITH THIS MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE ARE RE WE ARE GOING TO BE IMPROVING ALMA STREET TO, UH, TO WHAT IS REQUIRED BY CODE. SO WE'LL BE EXPANDING ALMA STREET ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, TO IMPROVE IT TO CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, SPECIFICATIONS. UH, WE'LL ALSO, UM, BE IMPLEMENTING SOME MITIGATION AS REQUIRED OR AS IDENTIFIED IN OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY AS, UM, AS MITIGATION ITEMS THAT WILL HELP IMPROVE TRAFFIC OR OFFSET, UH, ANY IMPACT THAT, THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE ON THE ADJACENT, UH, TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, SO MOST, UH, NOTABLY THE, THE T I A RECOMMENDS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT SINCLAIR AT THE INTERSECTION OF SINCLAIR AND WW WHITE. UM, AND THEN IT ALSO REQUIRES, UH, TURN LANES AT, UH, AT, UH, THE NEW DRIVEWAYS OFF OF LOOP FOUR 10 AND ALSO ONTO, UH, ON, UH, WW WHITE. SCOTT, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE PLEASE? SO, UH, THIS IS A PRE PRELIMINARY, UH, SITE PLAN. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, 530 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, WHICH UNDER THE CURRENT R FIVE ZONING DISTRICT, UH, THE ALLOWABLE NUMBER OF LOTS OF 801 WITH THE R FOUR, UH, THAT DOES SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE, UH, THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WE CAN DO. HOWEVER, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE SITE FEATURES, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING ONLY, UH, 530 AT THIS TIME, WHICH IS ROUGHLY SIX UNITS PER ACRE. UM, SO AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES OF THIS LOT, UM, WE ARE REQUESTING AN R FOUR ZONING DISTRICT FROM THE R FIVE, UH, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, STAFF, DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? [02:05:02] NO, SIR. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY. OKAY. AND THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE? I BELIEVE SO, MCGEE, THANK YOU. UH, OH, I'M CHOKE. IT'S AN ALERT, BUT MUTE MYSELF. UM, SO, UM, COULD YOU TELL ME TO THE APPLICANT, UM, WILL THIS BE AN, UM, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION? WHAT, UM, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF ASSOCIATION THAT'LL HELP WITH, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY OR CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND OF SUCH? SURE. SO RIGHT NOW THERE ISN'T A, A, A DESIGNATED BUILDER UNDER CONTRACT, BUT, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS LOOKING AT TWO NATIONAL BUILDERS THAT DO TYPICALLY HAVE H OAS ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT. AND IS IT GATED AT ALL? UH, CURTIS, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY'RE PROPOSING ANY GATE GATES TO THIS ONE? WELL, IT, IT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT PLANNED TO BE GATED. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW BECAUSE THE PRESENTATION PRETTY MUCH HIT A LOT OF THE, UM, TOPICS I WANTED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I, I'M READY TO, UH, PASS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, TO THE APPLICANT? THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALONG SINCLAIR, THOSE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE COMMERCIAL. ARE THEY ZONE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ON SINCLAIR? UM, I DO BELIEVE THOSE ARE, UM, THERE'S, THEY'RE ZONED INDUSTRIAL, BUT THERE'S A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES. AND SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE BOUNDARY THAT WILL, WILL BE AROUND THIS PARTICULAR, UH, HOME SUBDIVISION? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE, IS THERE A FENCING GOING UP? YES, MA'AM. SO THERE WILL BE FENCING AND THE BUILDINGS, I BELIEVE ARE SET BACK BY AT LEAST 25 FEET FROM THAT COMPANY LINE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE EXISTING USES, THERE IS, UM, MOST OF THE USES HAVE SOME SPACE BEFORE THERE IS A BUILDING ON THEIR SIDE AS WELL. OKAY. AND, UH, THEN A QUESTION TO STAFF, THAT BOUNDARY LINE OF THE SUBDIVISION THAT BACKS UP TO THOSE THAT ARE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ALONG SINCLAIR DOES THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THERE NEED TO BE, I GUESS IT'S A 25 FOOT BUFFER THAT EMILY SAID, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, IT'S CAROLINE. UM, I, I BELIEVE IT IS. WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING, UM, R FOUR NEXT TO I ONE, THERE ISN'T A REQUIRED BUFFER. I THINK IT'S WHEN IT'S THE OPPOSITE, BUT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UM, A 25 FOOT, WE DO HAVE A 25 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK STAFF. CORRECT ME IF THAT'S, UH, WRONG. NOW WHAT IS THE OPPOSITE? IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL OR AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL, WHAT'S THE BUFFER? YES, I DO BELIEVE IT'S 30 FEET. SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE THEN, UM, IT'S LIKE MIDWAY ON THAT PROPERTY LINE AND GOOGLE MAP SHOWS IT AS GGO SOLID SURFACE SOLUTIONS. LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT BOUNDARY LINE. SO ARE, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH BUFFER BETWEEN THAT COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL? AND, AND SO COMMISSIONER, THIS IS, UH, KIRK PLEA WITH P DAWSON. IF, IF THE, UH, UM, AS CAROLINE HAS SUGGESTED, IF THE SITUATION WAS REVERSED, IF THE RESIDENTIAL WAS THERE FIRST AND I, AND THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY WAS LOOKING TO BE REZONED AS INDUSTRIAL, THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO INCLUDE A BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL. BUT SINCE INDUSTRIAL IS THERE, UH, FIRST AND THE RESIDENTIAL IS A NEW, UH, ADDITION THERE, THERE'S NOT PER CODE A REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, FOR THAT SETBACK, UH, BECAUSE IT IS AN EXISTING CONDITION. UM, AND THE, THE DEVELOPER KNOWS, UM, THE CONDITION OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD PUT THE, THE BUFFER NECESSARY ON YOU, THE NEW DEVELOPER IN MY MIND. NOT THAT IT'S BY CODE, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT, WE'RE NOT JUST DOING CODE TO HAVE CODE, WE'RE DOING IT TO PROTECT INDIVIDUALS AND IN THIS CASE THE WELLBEING AND THE HEALTH OF FAMILIES THAT'LL BE RESIDING [02:10:01] IN THESE HOMES. SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION THEN, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE THE BUFFER, WHAT IS THE BUFFER YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE SO THAT THE WELLBEING AND THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THIS, THE FAMILIES ALONG THAT BOUNDARY LINE HAVE A SIMILAR BUFFER? DID DID YOU FOLLOW THAT? YEAH, AND WE THINK THE, WE CAN'T SPEAK, WE CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE DEVELOPER, UM, ON, ON THAT, UH, ON, ON, UH, THAT TOPIC. HOWEVER, IT IS IN THE DEVELOPER'S BEST INTEREST TO HAVE A PRODUCT THAT HE CAN, THAT HE CAN MARKET AND, UH, AND CAN PRODUCE. AND SO, UM, REALLY THAT THAT'S KIND OF A DEVELOPER DECISION, UH, AS TO WHETHER TO INCLUDE A BUFFER, UH, FOR THOSE PROPERTIES. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE, THERE WILL BE A SETBACK FOR LOTS TO HANDLE DRAINAGE THAT IS, UH, UM, UH, NEEDING TO BE DIRECTED AROUND THE LOTS. UM, AND SO THERE WILL BE A, A SOMEWHAT OF A SETBACK BECAUSE OF THAT. UH, BUT IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE NECESSARILY A LANDSCAPE BUFFERING AND THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT ABOUT. UH, YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE MUCH, UM, AND I'M NOT SAYING THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THAT BOUNDARY, BUT THERE DOES LOOK LIKE THERE MAY SOME, SOME PROBLEM AREAS THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, SINCLAIR WOULD SEEM TO ME IS PROBABLY INDUSTRIAL. AND SO THAT WOULD, THAT IS MY CONCERN IF THE DEVELOPER COULD, OR WHOEVER, WHOEVER PAYS THE MONEY HERE, COULD LOOK AT THAT. HOW DO WE PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE ADDITIONAL SAFETY TO THE FAMILIES, UH, THE HOMES THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SMALL HOMES, PROBABLY FAMILIES AND SMALL CHILDREN THERE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN. IF YOU CAN, UM, TELL ME THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL LOOK INTO. I WOULD, UH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. YES MA'AM. WE'LL CON WE'LL CONVEY THAT AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. I MEAN, IF I, IF I HEAR SOMETHING ON WW WHITE AND SINCLAIR, I'M IMMEDIATELY THINKING INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT W W WHITE IS KIND OF KNOWN FOR. OF COURSE, I HAVEN'T KEPT UP WITH DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A VERY NICE ONE DOWN THE STREET. SO LET'S CONTINUE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE AIR THEY BREATHE AND THE LAND THEY WALK ON IS CLEAN AND SAFE. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ALRIGHT, UM, COMMISSIONER SIP. I'M BACK. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS ANY FURTHER? UH, DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, ALL SEEING NONE BACK TO YOU. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. DO, I ACTUALLY DID HAVE A QUESTION. UH, UH, NOW JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, ON THE CONVERSATION, UM, THE POINT THAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS BROUGHT SO, SO, UM, TO THE APPLICANT. SO RIGHT NOW, A AGAINST THAT, UH, SINCLAIR, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE A 25 FOOT BUFFER, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT NOW IN THE PLAN BUILD IT'S A BUILDING SETBACK, YES. AND THERE WILL BE A FENCE ALONG, UM, ALONG THE BACK PROPERTY LINE. MM-HMM. . AND SO THEN YOU'LL BE GOING BACK TO THE, UM, UM, THE DEVELOPER TO SEE IF THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, CONSIDERED ADDITIONAL BUFFER FOR MAYBE SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES WHERE THE INDUSTRIAL IS GETTING CL UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, UM, FENCE LINE THERE. YES, MA'AM. YES. WELL, UM, WE'VE HAD, UH, QUITE A FEW, UM, CONVERSATIONS, UH, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UM, REGARDING, UH, THE GREEN SPACE, THE, THE PARK AREAS, THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION, THE, UM, GOING ON RECORD AS FAR AS THE, UH, NUMBER OF HOMES. UM, IT, IT WILL BE DEFINITELY A BENEFIT TO EVERY ONE OF US HERE IN THIS AREA FOR THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION, UM, THAT WILL TAKE PLACE FROM ALMA, UM, BEING EXPANDED TO THE TURN LANES. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THE, ESPECIALLY THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT, UH, SINCLAIR W WHITE AND THE ENTRANCE IN W W UH, W W WHITE, WE NEEDED SOME TRAFFIC MEDIC NEED MORE THAN THAT. BUT THAT'S GOOD FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA. AND, UM, [02:15:03] I, I TRUSTING HOPE THAT YOU WILL GO BACK AND THAT, UM, YOU'VE BEEN AMENABLE, UH, DEVELOPER'S BEEN AMENABLE SO FAR. UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS CONCERNED, UM, TO SEE IF WE CAN'T SEEK OUT A ADDITIONAL, UH, BUFFER SPACE, UH, FOR THAT AREA AGAINST, UH, SINCLAIR, WHERE WE HAVE, UH, VARIOUS, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND, UM, EVEN SOME, UH, INDUSTRIAL THERE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, APPROVAL FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND JONES. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. UH, DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. I APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE, UM, EMPHASIZING THAT, UH, A LITTLE MORE OF A BUFFER ZONE. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT A LIGHT WILL GO AT SINCLAIR, UH, AND SOUTH WW WHITE. I THINK THAT'S A NECESSARY, UM, PART, AND THAT'S AN EXPENSE ON THE DEVELOPER, NOT ON THE CITY, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, BUT I, I DO RECALL WE HAD ANOTHER CASE, A ZONING CASE. IT WASN'T ON THIS PART OF TOWN, BUT IT WAS A, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS BUILT AFTER THE, UH, INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL FIELD OF A LOT OF TRUCKS THAT WERE COMING AND GOING. AND THOSE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY IRRITATED. SOME OF THEM PUT UP THEIR HOUSE FOR SALE AFTER THAT CASE. UM, SO REALLY DO HOPE, CAROLINE, YOU MAKE SOME DIFFERENCE THERE. UM, I THINK THIS IS A, A PROJECT THAT'S NECESSARY OUT THERE AND, UH, WILL BE A BENEFIT TO EVERYBODY AND, UM, TO, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE'S NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. NOT THAT YOU LIVE THERE, BUT I KNOW YOU, YOU LIVE THERE, . WE LIVE IN ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS, DON'T WE? SO, UH, JUST HOPE THAT, YES, I'M GONNA JUST PUT THAT LITTLE BIT OF A THUMB PRESSURE ON YOU TOO, CAROLYN, AS THE COMMISSIONER DID TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT. UM, AND THEN I, I, I THINK OKAY, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. FURTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. PROAM GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR? YES. AND CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ZERO. VERY GOOD. IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO I TWO OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 46 NORTH WW WHITE ROAD. 12 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO, WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE CURRENT C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL IS APPROPRIATE AT A COMMERCIAL NODE AND IS PART OF AN ESTABLISHED PATTERN FOR THE INTERSECTION. THE EXISTING ZONING IS SUFFICIENT INTENSITY FOR THE AREA AND IF THE PROPERTY IS REZONED TO C THREE CD GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. ALTHOUGH THE, ALTHOUGH THE BASE ZONING IS MAINTAINED, THE INTENSITY IS INCREASED BY ALLOWING CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE STAFF. RECOMMENDS DENIAL. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? HI, YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. MR. MCDONALD? HI. YES. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, CAROLYN MCDONALD, AGAIN WITH BROWN ORTIZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. UH, FOR THIS ZONING CASE, I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION STAFF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT UP AND GO. IT IS AVAILABLE. OKAY. SO, UH, AS STAFF SAID, UH, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 1.6 ACRES OFF OF NORTH W W Y [02:20:01] AND HIGHWAY 10. UM, THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS ZONED C THREE AND IT'S CURRENTLY A BAR, RESTAURANT, VEHICLE, TRUCK STORAGE, AND A PARKING LOT. UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, HAD INITIALLY, EXCUSE ME, INITIALLY HAD SUBMITTED A ZONING APPLICATION FOR AN I TWO ZONING REQUEST BACK IN DECEMBER. UM, AND WE ACTUALLY, BRANDON ORTIZ CAME ON ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO TO HELP, UH, CLARIFY THE ZONING REQUEST AND THEIR USES FOR THIS PROPERTY SO THAT THEY MAY FIND A COMPATIBLE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE AREA. UM, SO WE DID AMEND THE REQUEST ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TO C THREE CD FOR A CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTORS. UM, THE FUTURE USER IS A COMPANY OUT OF HOUSTON THAT DEAL DEALS WITH, UM, WELDING EQUIPMENT, BOTH RETAIL SALES AND, UM, SUPPLIES. UM, THEY, THEY WILL HAVE EQUIPMENT STORAGE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF WELDING AND THEN GAS STORAGE ON SITE STAFF. IF YOU CAN PLEASE GO TO SLIDE THREE HERE YOU CAN JUST SEE AN AERIAL. UH, THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY C THREE, THERE IS I TWO TO THE NORTH C TWO AND C THREE TO OUR WEST AND SOUTH, AND THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL TO OUR EAST, UH, STAFF. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW WE ARE WITHIN THE ARENA DISTRICT EAST SIDE COMMUNITY PLAN AND DESIGNATED REGIONAL COMMERCIAL, UM, WITH OUR AMENDED C THREE CD REQUEST. NO PLAN AMENDMENT IS NEEDED. IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO TO SLIDE FIVE. YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, A BETTER, YOU KNOW, OVERVIEW OF HOW LARGE THE PROPERTY IS. AND IT'S ON A CORNER OF, UM, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY HEAVY TRAFFIC. UM, THE HIGHLIGHTED PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO OUR EAST IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER AND OUR SELLER. UM, SO HE SIGNED OFF ON THE ZONING APPLICATION AND IS AWARE OF, OF THE USE THAT IS COMING IN AND OBVIOUSLY IS IN SUPPORT. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WENT OUT, UM, YESTERDAY, KIND OF DID A SITE VISIT. WANTED TO GIVE A BETTER OVERVIEW OF WHAT WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON SITE. YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A, A SINGLE STRUCTURE THAT IS A RESTAURANT AND BAR. UM, THERE IS VEHICLE VEHICLE STORAGE ON SITE THAT IS FENCED IN CURRENTLY. AND THEN THERE IS A, A, YOU KNOW, TIRE SALES AND INDUSTRIAL USES TO OUR NORTH. I I HOPE YOU'RE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING ALONG ON THE SLIDES 'CAUSE MY, MY SCREEN'S A LITTLE DELAYED, BUT, UM, THAT, IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE SEVEN, THAT FIRST PICTURE ON SLIDE SEVEN IS LOOKING EAST ON E MILL STREET. YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TRUCKS PARKED AND THEN THERE'S UH, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSING AND INDUSTRIAL TO OUR, TO OUR NORTH. THE SECOND PICTURE ON SLIDE SEVEN SHOWS, UH, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION LOOKING WEST, WHICH IS MOSTLY OUR PROPERTIES PARKING LOT. AND THEN AGAIN THE STORAGE AND BUILDING. UM, YOU COULD GO TO SLIDE EIGHT PLEASE. AGAIN, JUST A CLOSEUP OF WHAT THE FIRST PICTURE, WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE NOW. AND THEN OF COURSE WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET STOP. IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO TO SLIDE NINE, THE LAST SLIDE, WHICH SHOWS, UM, THE SITE PLAN THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, PROVIDE. IF, YOU KNOW THE, THE ZONING DOES GO THROUGH IT, THIS PROPERTY WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED. THERE'LL BE TWO 4,000 SQUARE FEET BUILDING. ONE WILL FOCUS ON RETAIL SALES. THE OTHER WILL BE MORE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT STORAGE. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE GAS STORAGE IN THOSE THREE CYLINDERS. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THERE WILL BE A COVERED SCREENED OUTDOOR STORAGE. UM, THERE WILL BE AN ENTRANCE ON NORTH W W I AS WELL AND AN ENTRANCE ON E MILL STREET. UM, BUT AGAIN, PROPERTY WILL BE FENCED. UM, THERE WILL BE A 30 FOOT BUS OR 30 FOOT SETBACK FROM OUR ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS A 15, UH, 15 FOOT BUFFER. UM, SO THE PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL. WE'RE SURROUNDED PRIMARILY BY COMMERCIAL. UM, WE DO NEED THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTORS TO ALLOW FOR SOME OF THE MORE, UM, INTENSE USES, IF YOU WILL. UM, BUT THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE ZONING AND THE USES IN THE AREA. UM, SO IT'S WITH THAT, THAT [02:25:01] I, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, CLARIFY ANYTHING. BUT WE ARE REQUESTING THE C THREE CV WITH THIS SITE PLAN TODAY AND NOT THE I TWO. AND IT'S WITH THAT, THAT WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL. THANK YOU MS. MCDONALD, UH, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE. UH, COMMISSIONER JONES QUESTIONS? UH, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I, I WAS JUST ASKING, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO REEMPHASIZE THAT, THAT, UH, RESIDENTIALS, 'CAUSE IT'S SURROUNDED BY A COMMERCIAL THAT THAT RESIDENTIAL IS, UM, IS, UH, IS, UH, OWNED BY THE, BY THE APPLICANT. IF YOU COULD RE RESTATE THAT. YES. UM, I BELIEVE IT'S STAFF, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO SLIDE FIVE. UM, THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS OUR PROPERTY IS ALSO THE OWNER OF 4 5 3 4 EMIL STREET, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO US, TO OUR EAST. AND IT'S, IT IS THE SAME OWNER. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JONES. OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, SEEING COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL EVERY TIME. I APOLOGIZE. IT'S OKAY. I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK FOR STAFF TO CLARIFY. WE JUST COMPLETED A CASE WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IN A HUGE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AGAINST WHAT IS BASICALLY AN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USE CORRIDOR. AND HERE WE HAVE ONE THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF IN EXISTENCE, BUT YET WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CASES? HELP ME UNDERSTAND, UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL A LOT OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT WHEN YOU ZOOM OUT ON THE MAP. UH, BUT A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE ARE, ARE, WERE ALREADY ZONED I TWO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. SO THOSE ARE, ARE ALREADY ZONED FOR THAT, FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE. NOW IF YOU NOTICE THIS PROPERTY IN THE, IN THE KIND OF LITTLE ISLAND IT SITS ON IN THE SEPARATION OF THE PROPERTIES, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT WAS WELL-INTENTIONED BACK WHEN THEY DID THE, THE PLAN FOR THE AREA THAT THAT AREA WOULD BECOME REGIONAL COMMERCIAL, WHICH IT DID. UM, SO NOW, AND THEY HAVE AN EXISTING C THREE USE, SO IF THEY COULD USE IT AS THE EXISTING C THREE USE, THEN THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS CORRIDOR IS THAT PROBABLY THE ZONING, THE REZONING THAT SHOULD HAVE OCCURRED FOR SOME OF THE PROPERTIES DIDN'T. AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE PORTION OF IT TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME, THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY. UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, NORTH TO SOUTH, UM, THAT IS STILL RESIDENTIAL SO THAT THAT LITTLE COMMUNITY OF HOMES IS JUST BARELY HANGING ON. AND SO FOR ANOTHER COMMER FOR A COMMERCIAL USE, IT'S ACTUALLY A USE THAT'S NORMALLY FOUND IN THE L LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A BIT MUCH FOR, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS STRUGGLING TO HANG ON THERE IN THAT CORRIDOR. WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE REASON WHY I ASK BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY SIMILAR USES ON SINCLAIR ROAD AND WE JUST APPROVED BRINGING IN, I FORGET HOW MANY UNITS. SO I I'M JUST STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE IN INTERPRETATION HERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW, DID STAFF GO INTO THOSE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES ON THE SINCLAIR ROAD TO DETERMINE WHAT THEIR USES WERE BEFORE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE? I I, I GUESS I'M JUST NOT FOLLOWING THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS ONE. SO I THINK, I THINK THIS WILL CLARIFY IT, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, THEY'RE ASKED, THEY'RE BRINGING COMMERCIAL INTO AN AREA THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND THE OTHER, THEY WERE BRINGING RESIDENTIAL INTO AN AREA THAT'S RESIDENTIAL. BUT WHAT REALLY IS, BUT, BUT WHAT REALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE? AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WE'RE DENYING COMMERCIAL TO COME IN WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY EXISTING. AND YET STAFF JUST RECOMMENDED THAT IT WAS OKAY TO BRING RESIDENTIAL IN AGAINST COMMERCIAL, WHICH AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WILL BE AN ISSUE. UM, I'M SORRY, COLLEAGUES, THAT, THAT'S JUST THE, THE PUZZLING CONUNDRUM HERE THAT I FIND. UM, LET ME MOVE ON TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT. YES, MA'AM. [02:30:03] ARE YOU THERE? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN. SO CAN YOU HELP, UM, CLARIFY JUST WHAT SERVICES UNDER THE CONSTRUCTION TRAY CONTRACTORS SEEM TO MAKE THIS, UH, TWO INTENTS FOR THE C THREE? IS THAT THE WELDING? YES, MA'AM. AND SO IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. UM, IT, IT IS THE, UH, SMALL WELDING COMPONENT OF THE PROPERTY. THERE WILL BE, UH, SOME OF THE TRUCKS THAT COME IN TO PICK UP SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE REFUELING. UM, SO WE WILL, YOU DO SEE THOSE CYLINDERS ON, ON THE PROPERTY. SO, UM, THAT, THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL HAVE GAS IN IT. UM, AND THEN THERE WILL BE SOME OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, THAT WILL BE COVERED IN SCREENS. SO THOSE COMPONENTS, UM, ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE C THREE, BUT WE TRIED TO FOCUS, WHAT IS THAT, THOSE COMPONENTS THAT ARE IN THE L UM, MORE TOWARDS W W I AND AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS, UM, EXISTING. OKAY. AND I KNOW WE SPENT A GOOD TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS A WHILE AGO, ABOUT BUFFERING. NOW BECAUSE THIS IS EXISTING COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS A, A CURRENT REQUIREMENT. WHAT IS THAT BUFFER REQUIREMENT? I DO BELIEVE IT'S A TYPE C BUFFER, WHICH WOULD BE 15 FEET IF I WROTE THAT DOWN CORRECTLY. UM, AND THEN THERE IS A 30 FOOT STEP BACK. OKAY. WHERE ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS KIND OF BUSINESS? UM, THEY DO START UP PROBABLY AROUND 7:30 AM AND CONCLUDE, UH, CLOSER TO 7:38 PM IT, IT'S NOT A 24 HOUR DEAL. AND ARE THEY OPEN ON WEEKENDS OR IS THIS JUST MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY KIND OF THING? THEY ARE OPEN ON SATURDAYS. SATURDAYS. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, MY QUESTION IS THE, THE VE THE TRUCKS, THE 18 WHEELERS THAT ARE SITTING THERE RIGHT NOW, DO THEY PARK THERE OVERNIGHT? HI, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHY IF THEY BELONGED TO THE INDUSTRIAL USE ACROSS THE STREET, A MILL FROM US OR, OR WHAT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS NOT THERE WHEN I WENT OUT, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO ASK HIM. UM, I, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS THERE OVERNIGHT OR NOT. HAS A PROPERTY OWNER BEEN ALLOWING THEM TO PARK THERE? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVEN'T CLARIFIED THAT WITH HIM, BUT HE DOES, THE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN A FENCED IN AREA, SO I WOULD IMAGINE, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I HONESTLY, I JUST, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE, FOR SURE. OKAY. AND THEN TO STAFF THE EXISTING, UH, ZONE AND THE REQUESTED ZONE, DO EITHER OF THOSE ALLOW 18 WHEEL PARKING? WELL, 18 WHEELERS, UH, I DON'T, I GUESS CAN YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR QUESTION? I WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, DOES THAT ZONE, THE CURRENT ZONING AND THE REQUESTED ZONING, DID THOSE ALLOW, NOT REQUIRE BUT THAT THOSE ALLOW 18 WHEEL TYPE TRUCKS TO PARK OVERNIGHT? ISN'T, ISN'T THERE NEED TO BE? ISN'T THERE A SPECIFIC ZONE FOR PARKING? OKAY, SO THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION, THE STATE, THE CURRENT STATE, THREE CDD THAT THEY'RE SEEKING WOULD GET THEM THE CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR WITH THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AND AS PART OF THEIR BUSINESS FUNCTION, IF THEY PARK LARGE TRUCKS THERE, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. NOW, OVERSIGHT VEHICLE PARKING ALSO REQUIRES A C THREE WITH A CD. AND WHAT ARE THEY REQUEST? THEY'RE REQUESTING A C C THREE, JUST C THREE C THREE CD FOR CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTORS. SO I BELIEVE C BE, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, IT IT, WE WOULD'VE HAD TO SPECIFICALLY CALL THAT OUT FOR OVERNIGHT STORAGE OF A, YOU KNOW, LARGER, UH, TRUCK LIKE THAT. OH, YOU, WE DID NOT. SO AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, ANYTHING THAT'S OVERSIGHT VEHICLE, SO THAT, THAT'S THE PRIMARY USE THAT ALL THEY DO IS PARK [02:35:01] 18 WHEELER. THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THERE. THAT IS A, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN L WITH A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION. THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. OH, OKAY. SO THE PARKED VEHICLE THAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED UNDER THE NEW ZONING REQUESTED OR THE ONE EXISTING, OR BOTH. I MEAN, EMILY, I THINK YOU SAID YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT VEHICLE IS COMING FROM, RIGHT? LIKE IT'S JUST BEING PARKED THERE SO MCDONALD FOR EVERYONE THE SECOND TIME TODAY? YEAH, MY NAME'S CAROLINE. THANK YOU. . , OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY. YES, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S THERE. I I DON'T KNOW IF IT BELONGS TO, I I I WILL CLARIFY WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. RIGHT. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER CANNOT HAVE 18 WHEELERS PARKED THERE ON THE EXISTING ZONING OR THE ZONING HE'S REQUESTING. CORRECT. OKAY. SO, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF TRUCK PARKED THERE. UM, OKAY, MR. LANDOWNER, UM, I DUNNO, I ALWAYS LIKE TO PUT MY BEST FOOT FORWARD WHEN I'M PRESENTING MY CASE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ON THAT ONE. JUST, I, I DO KNOW THAT THOSE AREN'T ALLOWED, THEY SHOULDN'T BE THERE. I THINK THAT THAT HELPS TO MITIGATE ANY INDUSTRIAL AROUND THOSE, UH, RESIDENTIALS THAT ARE THERE. I'M SURE THEY DON'T LIKE 'EM THERE. UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW. HOW DO WE GET ASSURED? YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA STOP? I DUNNO. WELL, THE PROPERTY'S GOING TO BE SOLD TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT USER. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A, YOU KNOW, REPUTABLE COMPANY OUT OF HOUSTON. UM, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, OKAY, WELL AT LEAST IT COULD BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUSINESS. SURE. AT LEAST THE NEIGHBORS, IF THEY'RE WATCHING, ARE GOT A TOOL IN THEIR BELT NOW THAT IF THEY DO SEE THOSE TRUCKS THERE, THEY'RE PARKED THERE ILLEGALLY. ALRIGHT, THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHT FOR THE DAY ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, UH, BACK TO YOU COMMISSIONERS. UH, JONES? UH, YES, I JUST, UH, WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THAT TRUCK IS PROBABLY, UH, WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A CLOSED BUSINESS AND A OPEN PARKING LOT TRUCKS WILL PARK THERE OFF AND ON IN THAT AREA DOES NEED IMPROVEMENT. SO I WILL BE, UH, MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, UH, NUMBER NINE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JONES. AND, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES. A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT'S, UH, APPROVED AS AMENDED. AS AMENDED. WELL, OKAY, I THINK IT'S ON THERE THAT IT'S C THREE CD. I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN CHANGED. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, THERE IS A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE AS AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER JONES. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. GIBBONS SECOND. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER JONES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. I HEARD HER FIRST, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. UM, JUST A REALLY QUICK THOUGHT THAT AND I'LL, I KNOW THIS BECAUSE MY SON'S AN 18 WHEELER, SO THESE 18 WHEELERS, WHEN THEY HEAR OF A SPOT WHERE THEY CAN PARK FOR FREE AND THEY TELL EACH OTHER, THEY'LL PARK THERE. SO, UM, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT, AND NO PARKING LOT IS JUST AVAILABLE TO 18 WHEELERS. THEY DO HAVE THEIR OWN SPOTS ON THE PLANET TO DO THAT, BUT, UM, THEY CAN BECOME AN EYESORE. THEY CAN BECOME TOO MANY IN ONE SPOT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WAS MY CONCERN. IT SOUNDS LIKE CAROLINE CORRECTED THAT AND GOT THAT ORGANIZED. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT, FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. UM, SO IF IT HAD STAYED, I TOO, I CERTAINLY WASN'T GOING TO WANT TO, UH, SUPPORT THAT. I KNOW IT'S, UH, QUITE HEAVY USES, UM, IN THAT AREA, BUT TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP, IT IS, THAT IS A VERY HEAVY TRAFFIC. YOU SIT IN TRAFFIC BEHIND 18 WHEELERS OVER THERE, SO IT'S A GOOD POINT TO MAKE SURE, HEY, YOU CAN'T PARK HERE, BUT NO, I, I I, I'M, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCGEE. FURTHER. COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE? [02:40:02] YES, I, UM, I, I LIKE THE UH, UH, I LIKE THE AMENDMENT, UM, TO THE, TO THE ZONING THAT, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED NOW BY COMMISSIONER JONES, SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITE, FURTHER COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION. GO BACK. CHECK COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HAVEN'T MR. AGAIN. ALRIGHT, I SEE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. UH, I'LL TAKE THE LAST WORD AND YES, I THINK, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE AMENDMENT, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USAGES TO THE NORTH, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT IT NOW CONFORMS WITH THE PLAN AND NO LONGER REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT, UH, I TOO WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. UH, ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. MR. MCGEE? YES. MR. KAMI? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE A COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. MR. WHITE? YES. MR. MCDANIEL? YES. GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR? YES. CHAIR BUS. AYE. MOTION PASSES 10 TO THE AMENDED C3 PD FOR A CONSTRUCTION TRADE CONTRACTOR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF WE CAN GO ONTO THE NEXT ITEM PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES LOCATED AT 4 46 INEZ AVENUE. 27 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO. WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. ZERO. WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. SORRY. CORRECTION ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. UH, MEMORIAL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. AND THE CURRENT C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. WHILE THE PROPOSED REQUEST MAINTAINS THE BASE ZONING, THE PROPOSED MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IS A C THREE USE THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA, ESPECIALLY WHILE ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. STAFF. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? OKAY. YES HE IS. MR. MARTINEZ, ARE YOU THERE? YES, MA'AM, I'M HERE. MR. MARTINEZ, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PRESENT AND, UH, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YES MA'AM. MY NAME IS JOE MARTINEZ. MY ADDRESS IS 3 45 PERIAN PLACE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND WHY YOU'RE SEEKING, UH, THE CHANGE IN ZONING WITH THIS CONDITIONAL USE. UH, YES SIR. I BOUGHT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO PUT A A PIECE OF CAR LOT. IT'S A SMALL CAR LOT, 6 2 8 CARS, NO MECHANICAL WORK, UH, NO CAR WASH, NO NOTHING, JUST SELLING CARS AND, UM, IT'S A CLEAN LOT. SO I MAINTAIN IT CLEAN, IT HAS AN OFFICE AND, UM, MY BUSINESS IS, I ALREADY HAVE TWO OTHER CAR LOTS, BUT THIS ONE SINCE I BOUGHT THE LAND, I WANNA PUT IT IN THAT LOCATION THAT WAY I JUST PAY THE, I WILL BE RENT AND THE AREA IS VERY, UH, WITH THE SCHOOL. LOT OF STUDENTS BUY CARS AND I SELL CARS, UM, AND MAINTAIN ALL MY BUSINESS. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. HELLO? SORRY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. MARTINEZ STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES SIR. PLEASE STAY ON THE LINE. MR. MARTINEZ? YES SIR. YES. UH, YES. MY NAME IS RICHARD GARCIA. MY ADDRESS IS 1 6 6 TESLA DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 8. AND MY CONTACT NUMBER IS 2 1 0 4 3 5 22 9 7. AND THIS IS REGARDING CASE NUMBER Z 20 21 1 0 7 0 0 0 1 1. IT HAS TO DO, UH, THE ADDRESS IS 4 4 6 INES I N E Z 7 8 2 2 8. IT HAS TO DO FOR A ZONING REQUEST FOR A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND AS MOUNT [02:45:01] PRESIDENT OF THE MEMORIAL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND I JUST WANTED JUST TO MENTION TO THE ZONING COMMISSION TO COMMISSIONERS LIKE ION TO OUR, TO OUR CITY COUNCIL PERSON, UH, CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, DISTRICT FIVE SHIRLEY GONZALEZ, THAT WE WERE ADAMANTLY AGAINST THIS, UH, THIS IS TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE NO USE OR ANYTHING, UH, HAVE NO USE, UH, ANNOUNCING HOW I USE CAR CARD LAEL WOULD BENEFIT OUR AREA AND IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ADJACENT TO A CITY PARK AND ALSO, UH, LOMA PARK ELEMENTARY. SO WE SEE NO USE FOR IT, WE'RE ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO SEVERAL MEMBERS AND ALSO WITH THE PRESIDENT OF LOMA PARK, UM, ASSOCIATION AND SHE'S ALSO ADAMANTLY AGAINST IT. SO WE WILL, WE WILL, WE ASK VIA ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO PLEASE, UH, DON'T GRANT THIS, UH, REQUEST BECAUSE THEY WILL DO NOTHING FOR OUR AREA. JUST BRING MORE, USUALLY PARL, LOTS CELLS HERE IN OUR AREA. USUALLY THEY TEND TO BE BECOME AUTOMOTIVE, WELDING CHOPS, BODY CHOPS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND THEY DO, THEY, THEY DO NOT BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR MANNER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND IF, UH, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO CONTACT ME. I DID EMAIL ALSO MY, UH, INFORMATION TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, MANAGER, TO THE PLANNER. I'M SORRY, UH, LORRAINE SIGNS EXPRESSING MY SAME THING. UH, YES, MY NAME IS ROSIE GARCIA AND I AM CALLING, UM, ABOUT A, A CASE, UM, A ZONING CASE, UM, WHICH IS, UM, AT 4 4 6 ES AVENUE. AND THAT CASE NUMBER IS LETTER Z 2021 TEN SEVEN THOUSAND ONE ONE. UM, AND MY PHONE NUMBER AND MY ADDRESS ARE, I'M AT 1 6 6 TESLA DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO TWO EIGHT. PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN FOUR THREE FIVE TWO TWO NINE SEVEN. I'M A MEMBER OF THE MEMORIAL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. UM, SUPPOSEDLY A CAR, UM, LOT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD HERE, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. UM, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING SO HARD TO KEEP THIS AREA CLEAN AND THIS JUST DOESN'T GO WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE ANOTHER EYESORE. UM, IT ENDS UP BEING SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A REPAIR PLACE OR, OR SOMETHING. IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT IN OUR AREA AND IT'S JUST DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY AGAINST IT. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. THAT'S ALL THE VOICEMAILS, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALRIGHT, STAFF. MR. MARTINEZ, WOULD YOU LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE POINTS MADE BY, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? UH, WELL, YES SIR. UM, I'M ONLY IN THE CAR BUSINESS AND I'M 70 YEARS OLD ABOUT TO RETIRE AND, UH, I SELL BARBACOA AND, UH, PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE SELL CARS IN BARBACOA AND THEY'RE AT THAT LOCATION AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA PUT A WELD JOB OR A TIRE JOB OR A, TO BE AN EYESORE, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE A CLEAN CAR LOT. AND, UH, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY FROM ENGLE BAY, BUT I'M, UH, GENERALLY IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, ALL MY KIDS GRADUATED FROM SAN ANTONIO, UH, U T S A AND AND WE'RE COLLEGE AND, UH, WE NOW LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT BAD ENOUGH OR NOT FAIR FOR TO BEING IN EYESORE. YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S CAR TO CAR LOT. THIS WILL BE A, A USED CAR LOT THAT WILL SELL GOOD USED CARS, LIKE I SAY, SEVEN TO 10, SIX TO EIGHT 10 CARS. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. I DON'T HAVE NO MECHANICAL WORK ON OR NOTHING. THEY'RE READY TO GO. AND, UM, MY PHONE NUMBER'S (210) 857-5644. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. MARTINEZ, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE HOLD ON THE LINE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. AND YES SIR, UH, I THINK I WILL HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU MYSELF. UM, THAT BEING SAID, UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO I AM GOING TO TAKE, UH, THE FIRST INSTANCE STAFF. ONE THING, UM, THAT I NOTICED WHEN YOU LOOK AT, TAKE A LOOK AT THE ONE-STOP MAP IS THIS IS A FAIRLY ISOLATED ISLAND OF C TWO [02:50:01] ON, UH, ESMERALDA 36TH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT IN THAT AREA. DO YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF THAT CHANGE STAFF THAT CHANGE WHAT SIR? I'M SORRY. UH, MR. MARTINEZ, I'LL, I'LL, UH, ASK YOU QUESTIONS, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW I'M ASKING, UH, THE STAFF OF THE CITY A QUESTION. OKAY? YES SIR. THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO, YES, THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY CANNOT COULD BACK WHEN IT WAS REZONED IN, WHEN WAS IT, 2015. UM, IT COULDN'T BE REZONED TO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN AND SO THEY REZONED IT TO C2. AND SO THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES THAT MR. MARTINEZ IS GOING TO FACE IN TRYING TO DEVELOP, JUST BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY TO GET, UM, UN FLOODED ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. AND SO WE DID MAKE HIM AWARE OF THAT. UM, BUT IT IS JUST OUR OPINION THAT AT THE TIME WHEN THEY HAD NO OTHER OPTION, THEY WENT WITH A GENERAL COMMERCIAL USE JUST A, YOU KNOW, RETAIL KIND OF THING WHERE SOMEBODY COULD MAYBE PUT IN A LITTLE RESTAURANT OR A LITTLE RETAIL SPACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF IN ORDER TO KEEP IT DEVELOPABLE. UH, BUT IT IS OUR OPINION THAT BY ALLOWING A USE THAT IS USUALLY ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN A C THREE, THAT, UM, THAT IS JUST A LITTLE TOO INTENSE FOR THE AREA AND IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ALLOW ANYONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ZONING IS IN PERPETUITY. SO IF IT DID GET REZONED TO C TWO CD FOR THE MOTOR VEHICLE SALES AND MR. MARTINEZ IS NOT ABLE, ISN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AND SOMEONE TAKES IT OVER, THEY MAY NOT BE AS GOOD OF A NEIGHBOR AS, AS HE IS PROPOSING TO BE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, MR. MARTINEZ, TO YOU SIR, YOU'RE AWARE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK AND YOU DON'T OWN EVEN THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT FACES ESMERALDA, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. UH, I'M GONNA PASS IT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONERS. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, UH, MR. MARTINEZ, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT TO SELL CARS. UH, WE ARE LIMITING YOUR REQUEST TO THAT. I'M NOT CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD END UP BEING, UH, REPAIRS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE. THAT BEING SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST HERE IS FOR A FAIRLY INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK FACE ON A LARGELY RESIDENTIAL STREET SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL USES. UM, AND I'LL HAVE TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT HISTORY THAT THE STAFF JUST GAVE US REGARDING THIS PROPERTY BECOMING C TWO FIVE YEARS AGO, OR ALMOST SIX YEARS AGO NOW, PROBABLY, UM, I THINK THE C TWO IS INAPPROPRIATE IN THIS SPACE TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THAT. WE ARE ADDRESSING YOUR REQUEST FOR A CD, UH, FOR AUTO SALES AND I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT AS A RESULT. I AM MAKING A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR ITEM NUMBER 17. SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. UH, I HAVE MADE A MOTION FOR DENIAL ON ITEM NUMBER SECOND 17. COMMISSIONER WHITE HAS SECONDED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, I JUST APPRECIATE MEMORIAL HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION, UH, CALLING IN AND GIVING THEIR FEEDBACK, UH, ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE JUST SEE 'EM FROM THE SKY, THE GOOGLE, UM, BUT IN GETTING DOWN TO THE STREET, LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A VERY TENDER NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HOPE, UM, DENYING I'M, I'M GONNA APPROVE THE MOTION TO DENY AND, UM, HOPEFULLY IT PASSES. I THINK, UM, YOU HAVE A VERY SWEET NEIGHBORHOOD, MEMORIAL HEIGHTS AND I WISH YOU WELL AND CONTINUING YOUR EFFORTS TO IMPROVE ON IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. MOTION FOR DENIAL. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER CAYMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI. [02:55:01] COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE. AYE. MR. MCDANIEL? YES. PRO TIM GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. CHAIR ANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES FOR DENIAL. 10 TO ZERO. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU MR. MARTINEZ. I BELIEVE THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IS THE, I NEED TO READ THIS SPECIFICALLY, UH, IS THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, NOMINATIONS PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A TWO YEAR TERM STAFF. IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US THE INFORMATION REGARDING THIS ITEM. YES, I BELIEVE, UH, MONIQUE MECADO IS ON THE LINE. MONIQUE? HI. GOOD AFTERNOON, ZONING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MONIQUE MECADO AND I'M A PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UM, AND WE OVERSEE, UM, AND ORGANIZE, UM, TO COORDINATE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND CURRENTLY TODAY, UM, OUR CURRENT MEMBERS ARE ROCK PRIMARY MEMBER AND GAIL MCDANIEL AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER AND THEY'RE, BOTH OF THEIR TERMS ARE SET TO EXPIRE IN APRIL. SO, UM, WE, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS, UM, TO APPOINT TWO ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A TWO YEAR TERM. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, UH, OF YOU QUICKLY. AND THIS WOULD STILL BE ONE PERMANENT MEMBER AND ONE ALTERNATE. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT, UM, TWO YEAR TERM. OKAY, PERFECT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONERS. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UH, ONE FOR COMMISSIONER S SIPSON, ONE FOR COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UH, COMMISSIONER S SIPES, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE SERVING AS A MEMBER OF, UH, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IF THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, PRESENTS ITSELF? YES, I WOULD. OKAY. THIS LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY MEETINGS AS WE ANTICIPATED. OKAY. SO, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER S SIPES, AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, SAME QUESTION TO YOU. SAME REPLY? YES. UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING AND, UM, WE REALLY DID LOSE A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF TRACTION ON THE ROAD THERE, UH, DUE TO OUR BREAK LAST SUMMER, OR I SHOULD SAY LAST YEAR PERIOD. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR BOTH THOSE ANSWERS AND FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? DID I SEE COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. OKAY. UM, ARE THERE ANY NOMINEE, ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS, UH, FOR THE FIRST, WELL, LET ME ASK A QUESTION TO STAFF FIRST. UM, IF THERE WERE NO OTHER NOMINATIONS OTHER THAN COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UH, DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? VOTE ONE AND TWO. DO WE NEED TO DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY? YOU DON'T NEED A ROLL CALL, VOTE, VOTE AND YOU CAN DO THEM TOGETHER. PERFECT. UM, AT THIS TIME THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION OF ITEM NUMBER 24. I WOULD OPEN THE FLOOR TO A MOTION. I, I MOTION TO, UM, NOMINATE, UM, COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UM, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SECOND, THERE WAS A MOTION, THERE WAS A MOTION FOR APPOINTMENT, UH, OF COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIELS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, UNLESS THERE IS OPPOSITION, UH, WE CAN DO THIS BY ACCLIMATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. SIR, SIR, SIR, THIS IS STAFF. I JUST NEED ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION. OF COURSE. UM, THESE ARE APPOINTMENTS TO THE P TAC AND IT WOULD BE COMM, UH, VICE CHAIR S SIPES AS THE PRIMARY APPOINTEE AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AS THE ALTERNATE. IS THAT CORRECT? LET ME, LET ME ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO COMMISSIONER MCGEE'S MOTION. THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES AS THE PRIMARY AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AS THE ALTERNATE CORRECT. FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, ACCEPTED. IS THAT SUFFICIENT STAFF? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, VOICE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. [03:00:01] HEARING NONE. UH, MOTION PASSES. UH, COMMISSIONER S SIPES IS THE PRI PRIMARY AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIELS IS THE ALTERNATE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UH, MR. CHAIR ALL YES, BUT COME A POINT OF INFORMATION, BUT SINCE THEY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE NECESSARILY SERVING ZONING A AS THOSE COMMITTEES TEND TO COVER A LOT OF GROUND ON DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PUT THAT IN THE AGENDA EVERY NOW AND THEN AN UPDATE ON PTAC AND, AND LET LET THE COMMISSIONERS GIVE US A, A SHORT UPDATE ON WHAT THEY'VE BEEN COVERING, MAYBE OR NOT? I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE AN AGENDA ITEM AS IT WOULD NOT BE AN ITEM. AND OF COURSE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME WORK SESSION. YEAH. UH, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. AND, AND THIS GOES TO ALL COMMISSIONERS. IF THERE'S EVER AN ITEM YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE COVERED IN THE WORK SESSION, UH, OF COURSE YOU CAN CONTACT ME. UM, AND I CAN CONTACT STAFF OR YOU CAN CONTACT STAFF DIRECTLY AND WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES UH, THAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE IN WORK SESSION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE. UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET A LITTLE MORE ACTION THIS YEAR IN IT THAN THAN LAST IN LIGHT OF THE COVID RESTRICTIONS. OUR FINAL ITEM FOR TODAY IS CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 2ND, 2021 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES. UH, THOSE HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS. DOES ANY COMMISSION MEMBER HAVE A, UH, CORRECTION QUESTION? ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE ON THESE ITEMS OR ON THE MEETING MINUTES? EXCUSE ME. FADE UP ALL NIGHT READING THEM. . WELL YOU THEN, YOU MADE IT A LOT LONGER THAN I DID 'CAUSE I THINK I, I GLAZED OVER IN FIVE MINUTES. UM, , THAT BEING SAID, UH, IS THERE A MOTION I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE, UH, THE, THE MINUTES FROM, OH MY GOSH, I FORGOT THE DATE ALREADY. WAS THAT MARCH 2ND? MARCH 2ND, YES. MARCH 2ND. 2021. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS AS SUBMITTED. IS THERE A QUESTION? I MEAN, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. UH, THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE A COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBON? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE-CHAIR SITE? YES. AND CHAIR BUSTAMANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. 10 ZERO. OKAY, WONDERFUL. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? OH, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY DIRECTOR'S REPORT OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? NOTHING TO REPORT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, IN THAT CASE IT IS 3 47 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION. UH, AND THANK YOU STAFF AS WELL. HI EVERYBODY. EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT SAFE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.