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[San Antonio Select Committee on the 2021 Winter Storm Preparedness and Response on March 19, 2021.]
UH, I WANT TO, UH, THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, THE, UH, SECOND SET OF, UM, CLAYTON AND MANY HAVE PREPARED AROUND, UM, SAWS.UH, WE'LL TRY TO GET THIS DONE, YOU KNOW, AS SUFFICIENTLY AS WE CAN.
UM, ONE, ONE PIECE OF HOUSEKEEPING WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT, UH, NEXT WEEK.
UM, THE GROUP, UH, WORKING WITH THE E O C, UH, WILL BE PRESENTING THEIR QUESTIONS THAT'LL GO TO THE CITY AND THE E O C, UH, THAT WILL THEN HAVE ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS, AT LEAST THE FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS, UH, IN, UH, NEXT WEEK AFTER THAT ACTUALLY IS GOOD FRIDAY, AND SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE ASKED THAT, UH, WE NOT HAVE HOLD A MEETING THAT DAY.
AND, UM, IF, UH, OBJECTIONS, UH, ON GOOD FRIDAY, WE WILL, WE WILL NOT MEET.
IT DOES WORK WELL, KIND OF WITH THE SCHEDULE, 'CAUSE WE WILL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO PUT THE INITIAL QUESTIONS INTO EACH GROUP.
UH, WE WILL HAVE HAD TIME FOR C P S AND PERHAPS SAWS TO, UH, RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE.
UM, THE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY WENT TO, UH, C P SS ON TUESDAY.
IS THAT RIGHT, BEN? UH, ACTUALLY ON MONDAY.
UH, SO I SAW 'EM POSTED TUESDAY MORNING.
SO THEY ARE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AND, UH, WE WILL BE FOLLOWING UP ON, UH, THAT, UM, I BELIEVE, UH, YOU SAID, BEN, YOU'VE, UM, SURE.
QUESTIONS AS THEY CAN AND SEND 'EM TO US NOT TO WAIT FOR ALL.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, GOOD MORNING CHAIR.
SO, I, I, UH, SPOKE WITH THE GUEST REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS ASSIGNED TO THAT AND ASKED THEM THAT AS THEY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT THEY FORWARD THEM TO US, AND THAT WE NOT WAIT TILL THE END WHEN THEY'RE ALL, WHEN THEY ARE ALL ANSWERED, UH, THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A MORE PRODUCTIVE WAY FOR THE COMMITTEE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I THINK THAT'S VERY APPROPRIATE.
AND, UH, I, I ASSUME THAT'LL BE ALL RIGHT WITH THE OTHER TWO GROUPS, THAT THERE'S SOME THAT ARE FAIRLY QUICK TO ANSWER.
THERE'S SOME THAT TAKE, UH, MORE TIME AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO DELAY ANSWERS TO THE PUBLIC.
ALSO, UH, WEEK, JUST TO, UM, KIND OF LOOK FORWARD TO OUR SCHEDULE, UH, IN ADDITION TO, UM, ED'S GROUP, UH, PRESENTING, UH, THEIR QUESTIONS, UH, F COYLE AND HIS FOLKS, OR SOMEONE FROM HIS GROUP COME AND, UH, BRIEF US ON THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME IN TO THE WEBSITE SINCE WE STARTED.
AND THIS IS AN ONGOING EVENT AND, AND, UM, OUR, OUR ACTIVITY OR, OR OBLIGATION TO DO, AND THAT IS TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
UH, THERE'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW, BEN, YOU WERE KIND OF TELLING ME HOW MANY THERE ARE, AND CAN YOU GIVE US A BRIEFING ON THAT? SURE.
I THINK AS OF, UH, LAST NIGHT THERE WERE ABOUT 179 QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO WE'RE GONNA WORK ON CATEGORIZING THOSE.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THE TEAM IS LOOKING AT, UH, 3 1 1 CALLS, 9 1 1 CALLS, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA FROM, UH, THE WEEK OF THE EVENT.
AND THEY'RE DOING ANALYSIS AROUND AS WELL.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A SUMMARY OF NOT ONLY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, BUT ALSO THEN PROVIDE YOU THOSE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, UH, IN DETAIL.
IF YOU WANTED TO REVIEW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRST REACTION IS WE THINK WE MIGHT HAVE CAPTURED EVERYTHING, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS LEARN MORE.
AND, UH, THIS IS BEING DONE FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE PEOPLE.
UH, SO THAT'S WHO WE NEED TO LISTEN TO AND WE APPRECIATE, UH, THE WORK, UH, THAT, UH, JEFF AND HIS GROUP ARE GONNA DO, COMPILING THIS AND PRESENTING THEM.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, CLAYTON AND MANNING AND LET THEM, UH,
AND, UH, IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE TODAY.
UH, GREAT ACCOMMODATIONS AND, UH, THANK YOU BEN, FOR HELPING SET THIS UP FOR US.
UM, BIG TASK IN, IN FRONT OF US HERE, BUT, UH, WE'RE GIVING IT A GO AND GIVING THIS A SHOT AND SEEING WHERE WE'RE GONNA END UP HERE.
BUT, UM, COUNCILMAN PLY AND I ARE, UH, WORKING ON THE SOS PORTION AND WE'VE ALREADY MERGED OUR, OUR PARTICULAR LIST OF QUESTIONS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA
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GO THROUGH ALL OF 'EM THIS MORNING OR A PORTION OF 'EM, OR DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST INDIVIDUALLY OR, UH, TALK ABOUT 'EM GENERALLY, SIR.WELL, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS, HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE? I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LIST.
UM, WE'VE GOT MORE THAN 20 QUESTIONS.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S REASONABLE.
I THINK IF WE CAN JUST GO HOW YOU'VE, UH, LAID THIS OUT, UH, AND, AND GIVE US A BRIEFING ON IT, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE.
WE, WE SET ASIDE THIS WHOLE MEETING FOR Y'ALL.
SO WE HAVE TIME AND FRANKLY, I THINK THE PUBLIC, UH, WANTS TO SEE, ABSOLUTELY SEE WHAT Y'ALL HAVE.
UM, OVERALL, WE'VE
AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS WERE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT JUST QUESTIONS FROM STAFFS, BUT WE TOOK THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
A LOT OF 'EM WERE NUANCED A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE, BUT, UH, WE COMBINED THOSE INTO INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE LISTED UP THERE, AND WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE LIST AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
SO, UH, LEMME GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, UH, ON THE PREPARATION SIDE AND COUNCILMAN, UH, WHAT PREVENTATIVE STEPS, UH, HAS SAWS TAKEN PRIOR TO THIS EVENT TO PROTECT INFRASTRUCTURE FROM FREEZING TEMPERATURES? UH, VERY, WHAT, HOW DID WE PREPARE FOR THIS EVENT? UH, WHAT PREVENTATIVE STEPS HAS SAWS TAKEN PRIOR TO THIS EVENT TO PROTECT INFRASTRUCTURE FROM POWER OUTAGES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PREPARED FOR THIS PARTICULAR HARD FREEZE.
UH, WHAT COORDINATION OF ANY WAS THERE BETWEEN SAWS AND C P S E AND ANTICIPATION OF THIS WINTER EMERGENCY? WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL OF DOWN INFRASTRUCTURE PRIOR TO THE ERCOT DEMAND TO SHED LOAD? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ELECTRICITY, YOU DON'T HAVE THE PUMP IT COST TO EQUIP EVERY PUMPING STATION WITH A GENERATOR.
THE SA EXPRESS ARTICLE SAID IT WOULD BE AROUND 70 MILLION SAW IT WOULD BE, UH, BETWEEN 500 AND 800 MILLION.
AND WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE TO USE FEDERAL DOLLARS? UH, AGAIN, GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THIS, AGAIN, TO ME IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO SEE WHICH ONES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE BACKUP GENERATORS.
UH, EVERY PUMPING STATION MIGHT NOT NEED TO HAVE BACKUP GENERATORS, BUT WHAT, WHAT'S THE, UH, AGAIN, GET AROUND A HARD FREEZE LIKE THIS.
HOW MUCH TIME AND MONEY WILL IT TAKE TO WEATHERIZE OUR SYSTEM, INCLUDING FIRE HYDRANTS? UH, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD A BIG, BIG FIRE UP IN THE NORTHEAST SIDE UP THERE, WHICH DESTROYED A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS BECAUSE THEY HAD NO WATER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A, A FREEZE UP OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS OR THE ACTUAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
AND I'VE HEARD THAT, UH, WE WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH FIRE HYDRANTS ACTUALLY FREEZING UP AND NOT, UH, DURING THIS, DURING THIS, UH, WINTER STORM.
SO WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
UH, THE VIDEO THAT SAWS PUT OUT ON HOW TO TURN YOUR WATER OFF WAS GREAT.
WE SHOULD HAVE VIDEOS LIKE THAT ON ALL ASPECTS OF WEATHERIZATION.
OUR PERSONNEL PIPES, OUR PERSONAL PIPES WE'LL SAW AS MAKE THOSE VIDEOS.
UM, I, I ACTUALLY PUT IN A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE, UH, AND EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL, IF YOU WILL, THAT HAS INSTRUCTIONS, VIDEOS, SO ON AND SO FORTH, BOTH IN, UH, ENGLISH
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AND SPANISH THAT OF HOUSES, APARTMENTS, UM, ON WHERE PEOPLE LIVE, ON WHAT THEY SHOULD DO TO PREPARE FOR A STORM, WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER IT'S A WINTER STORM OR SUMMER, UH, HEAT WAVE.UM, ANYTHING THAT COULD AFFECT THEIR HOUSES.
WHAT SHOULD THEY DO TO PREPARE FOR IN THOSE INSTANCES AND ACTUALLY PUT IT IN A BOOKLET, UH, FOR, FOR OUR, UM, CITIZENS HERE ACROSS THE CITY.
UM, WHEN DID THE PLAN TO OPEN BULK WATER DISTRIBUTION SITES COME FORWARD? AND HOW MANY, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WERE WE, WERE WE PREPARED OR DID THAT COME TOO LATE? UH, FOR A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WERE REALLY NEEDING FRESH WATER, UM, I HAD A COMMENT ABOUT STOCKPILING LONG LASTING SHELF LIFE WATER.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT EXISTED, BUT APPARENTLY THERE IS WATER THAT CAN BE STORED FOR EMERGENCIES.
UM, AND IT'S, UH, IT'S YEARS, UH, THAT IT STAYS ON, ON SHELF LIFE.
WE WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT TO HAVE AVAILABLE FOR INSTANCES LIKE THIS.
UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THE SAWS WOULD CONSIDER HAVING IN STOCKPILING SOMEWHERE HERE IN THE CITY, WAREHOUSING AND, AND, UH, VACANT FACILITIES THAT WE COULD PROBABLY PUT, PUT SOME OF THAT IN.
UM, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM TO COVER THESE COSTS AND HOW MUCH IS AVAILABLE? YOU KNOW, I, WE'VE HEARD THAT SAW HAS SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA PASS ALONG ANY, UM, BILLS TO THE CUSTOMER FROM THIS, FROM THIS STORM.
YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS THAT REALLY COSTING? WHAT'S THAT TOTAL PRICE TAG FORCE SAW, AND WHERE'S THAT MONEY COMING FROM? YOU KNOW, HOW DEEP OF POCKETS DO THEY HAVE? WE KNOW WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT C P S ON THEIR REQUIREMENT FOR MONEY AND, AND, UM, HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD ANY OF THAT FROM SAS ON WHAT, WHAT RESOURCES THEY HAVE.
HOW BIG IS THEIR BANK ACCOUNT TO COVER THIS, AND WHAT ARE THEY GONNA HAVE LEFT OVER AT THE END OF THE DAY? UH, AND HAS SAS REVIEWED ANY LESSONS LEARNED STUDIES FROM PREVIOUS UTILITY ORGANIZATIONS? YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THIS IN A COUPLE OF STUDIES ONTO THE, TO THE, UH, WEBSITE THAT IS EXISTING OUT THERE.
IT WAS A WINTER STORM IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE US HERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THERE WAS A GOOD REPORT PUT TOGETHER.
ARE THOSE REPORTS BEING DISTRIBUTED BOTH TO SAWS, THE CITY AND C P S AND LESSONS FROM THOSE PRIOR EVENTS.
SO THAT, TO ME, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND, UM, SEE IF THAT'S BEING USED.
AND WE SHOULD ALSO COME UP WITH A LIST OF LESSONS LEARNED HERE FROM THE CITY.
AND THIS IS, I THINK THIS PROCESS, THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE TIP OF THE SPEAR ON THAT TO ACTUALLY COME THE REPORT, CONSOLIDATED REPORT BETWEEN C P SS SAWS AND THE CITY ON LESSONS LEARNED.
SO, UM, WHERE WE CAN PASS THAT ON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF US BEING, UH, COMING UP FOR REELECTION HERE IN MAY.
AND, UH, IT MIGHT BE A WHOLE NEW TEAM UP THERE, WHO KNOWS.
BUT, UM, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE, BE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE, UH, THAT ARE RUNNING THE SYSTEMS AND THOSE THAT ARE MAKING POLICY DECISIONS, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT'S IT ALWAYS COME DOWN TO MONEY? WHEN AND HOW IS THAT GONNA BE SPENT IN THE FUTURE? SO THAT'S THE FIRST, FIRST SECTION THERE.
WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE NEXT COUPLE? THE NEXT SECTION IS, UM, THE TOPIC OF COMMUNICATIONS PRIOR TO, UH, THE, UH, DESCENT OF THE STORM ONTO SAN ANTONIO.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT SUFFICIENCY OF THE INFORMATION GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND SO, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, UH, THE, THE INFORMATION WAS ABOUT THE THREE PS, PIPES, PETS, AND PLANTS.
UM, THE QUESTION OF COURSE IS, WAS THIS SUFFICIENT IN RETROSPECT, SHOULDN'T WE HAVE SAID MORE WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN SAID? WHAT DID YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU DIDN'T SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC? UM, AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, ONE ABOUT ADVANCED WARNINGS AND CONSENT, RIGHT? SO SAWS HAVE ADVANCED WARNING OF ROLLING OUTAGES.
UM, THAT AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE ROLLING OUT OUTAGES ON THE PUMP STATIONS, PUMPING EQUIPMENT.
UM, AND DID SAWS GET THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO OBJECT TO THAT? UH, AND OR WAS THAT A DECISION FORCED UPON
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AND WHEN WE TALKED, WHEN CLAYTON WAS TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, UM, WAS THIS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS THESE DOWN FACILITIES ACCOUNTED FOR IN, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS PREPARATION EFFORTS, LIKE, AND OR MANUALS, RIGHT? OR ALGORITHMS KEPT IN PLACE AS FAR AS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO DO IF THIS SITUATION WERE TO ARISE, ONE OF, UH, ADVANCED WARNING TO NEIGHBORS TO STOCK UP ON WATER, UM, BEFORE THE OUTAGES.UM, DID YOU DO IT? IF SO, WHY? I'M SORRY.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT PROTOCOL EXISTS AND WHETHER OR NOT THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS TO GIVE THOSE WARNINGS.
AND, UH, IF SO, WHY? UM, AND IF NOT, WHY NOT? YES, IF WE COULD JUST WRITE OUR QUESTIONS DOWN, WE'LL GO AROUND, UH, WE'LL START WITH ANA AND WE'LL MOVE ON AROUND, UH, AND A AND ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, TO ELABORATE IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FOLKS WATCHING AT HOME, UM, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION ALL OF US ARE LOOKING AT THE SAME SCREEN HERE.
UM, ARE PEOPLE AT HOME ABLE TO SEE THIS? YES, SIR, THEY ARE.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, AFTER THE EVENT, HOW DID SAAS COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WHAT HAD OCCURRED, UM, AND HOW IT WOULD IMPACT THEM? SO EXAMPLES, HOW YOU INCREASE IN, WELL, HERE IT SAYS, HOW WILL YOU INCREASE YOUR COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS? TWO, HOW DID SAAS COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE EMERGENCY WITH THE PUBLIC AND START COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE INCLEMENT WEATHER? UM, WE, AT MY COUNCIL OFFICE OR GETTING THIS QUESTION OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHICH IS, WHY DID
UM, AND FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, DO YOU BOIL TAP WATER OR DO YOU BOIL WELL WATER? DO YOU BOIL THE WATER THAT YOU BOUGHT, UH, AT THE STORE? AND SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS DIFFERENT, UH, AND DIFFICULT.
UH, CAN WE PAUSE THERE? CHAIR, I, I APOLOGIZE.
UH, CAN WE PAUSE FOR ONE MINUTE? WE ARE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AUDIO ISSUES TODAY, SO THEY'RE GONNA REBOOT THE SYSTEM.
IT'S GONNA TAKE ABOUT ONE MINUTE, I JUST PAUSE RIGHT HERE REAL QUICK.
GUESS WE CAN HAVE SOME COFFEE? GOT COFFEE.
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ALRIGHT, UH, THE NEXT SECTION, LET'S SEE, IT WAS, THERE WE GO.
ALL RIGHT, STARTING THAT SECTION, UH, WHAT WEATHER WEATHERIZATION MEASURES CAN SAWS TAKE TO BETTER PROTECT EQUIPMENT FROM FREEZING TEMPERATURES? ARE THERE SOME STRATEGIES THAT COULD BE IMPACTFUL BUT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN DEEMED UNTENABLE DUE TO COST? AND AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO, UM, WHAT CRITICAL COMPONENTS ACROSS THE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON TO BE WEATHERIZED FOR FREEZING TEMPERATURES.
AND, AND AGAIN, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, UH, A SYSTEM-WIDE LOOK, NOT JUST PUMPING STATIONS, BUT VALVES.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN TO THE POINT OF, UH, BACKFLOW, PREVENTERS, THAT KIND OF THING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WHAT, WHERE ARE THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS TO KEEP THE WATER SYSTEM ALIVE DURING THE, THESE FREEZING TEMPERATURES? UM, WHAT MEASURES CAN SAWS TAKE TO BETTER PROTECT EQUIPMENT FROM BEING IMPACTED DURING OUTAGES? WHAT MEASURES, IF ANY, CAN SAWS TAKE INDEPENDENT OF C P S E IN IN THIS RESPECT? IF NONE DOES? WHAT DOES SAWS LEADERSHIP BELIEVE C P S NEEDS TO DO TO KEEP WATER INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENT TO OUTAGES? UM, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL ABOUT KEEPING THE WATER FLOWING.
AND IF IT'S NOT PREVENTATIVE MEASURES THAT THEY CAN DO, UH, BECAUSE OF COST OR WHATEVER, WHAT ELSE CAN BE INSTITUTED IN THE SYSTEM THAT CAN HELP REDUCE THE COST ON WEATHERIZATION? UM, YOU KNOW, OR WITHOUT POWER TO MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK, WHAT CRITICAL COMPONENTS DO THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON? MAYBE NOT SYSTEM WIDE, BUT IDENTIFY THOSE CRITICAL PATH AND CRITICAL CHOKE POINTS, IF YOU WILL, THAT NEED TO BE, UH, KEPT OPEN.
UH, CAN ERCOT BE DEEMED LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES CAUSED TO SAW PUMP STATIONS AS A RESULT OF THE LOAD SHEDDING REQUEST? IS C P S CAPABLE FOR THESE DAMAGES IN RE IN ANY RESPECT? YOU KNOW, THIS COMES DOWN TO, UH, UH, AGAIN, WHO PAYS FOR ALL THESE DAMAGES? IS IT GONNA BE LIMITED TO C P S OR SAWS? ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO PICK UP THOSE BILLS? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE BILLS ARE AT THIS POINT.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S STILL WORKING ON THOSE, INCLUDING THE CITY.
SO, UM, UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO ARE THOSE COSTS? I CAN THEORIZE ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT QUESTION NEEDS TO BE ASKED, UM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SAS LEADERSHIP.
IF WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN THE SAME TIME NEXT YEAR, WHAT WOULD BE THE ONE YEAR PLAN FOR PREPARATION AS IMPROBABLE AS THIS WEATHER REOCCURRING IN WINTER 22? 2022 WOULD BE, HOW CAN WE PREPARE FOR THIS HAPPENING AGAIN IN A ONE YEAR TIMEFRAME? AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING AT CONTINGENCY PLANS, EMERGENCY
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OPERATIONS, UH, WHAT CAN BE, WHAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED NOW VERSUS OVER TIME? I THINK A TIMELINE NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED ON WHAT CAN BE DONE, WHEN CAN IT BE DONE, AND WHAT CAN WE, WE PREPARE FOR OVER TIME.UH, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR ONE YEAR, BUT I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE CARRIED OUT THROUGH WHETHER IT'S ONE YEAR OR A 10 YEAR PLAN TO EXECUTE, UM, THE PROGRAMS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN TO KEEP THE WATER FLOWING HERE IN HERE IN TOWN.
UM, WHAT TYPE OF DAMAGES DID SAWS INFRASTRUCTURE SUSTAIN THROUGH THIS CRISIS? AND WHAT ARE THE FUNDING AVENUES TO REPAIR AND FURTHER PREPARE EQUIPMENT FOR FREEZING TEMPERATURES? AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO THE, TO THE, UM, MONEY THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO MAKE THESE REPAIRS.
AND DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER INCLUDING PROJECTS TO PROTECT OUR UTILITIES INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE NEXT BOND PACKAGE? THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
WE HAVE A BOND, UH, COMING UP WITH THE CITY, BUT SAWS ALSO HAS BONDING CAPABILITY WITHIN THEIR UTILITY TO APPLY FOR, RUN IT THROUGH THE VOTERS AND GET, GET APPROVED FOR THEIR NEXT BOND, WHENEVER THAT'S GONNA BE.
AND THAT ALL GOES BACK TO HOW MUCH MONEY DO THEY HAVE IN THE BANK TODAY, AND WHAT CAN THEY DO, UH, TO, UH, PREPARE FOR AND MAKE SOME OF THESE CORRECTIONS, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UH, SO ALL OF THAT FUNDING AND FINANCE NEEDS TO BE TAKEN A LOOK AT AND DETERMINE, OKAY, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THIS DONE? HOW ARE WE GONNA FUND THIS? NOT HOW TO GET IT DONE, BUT HOW ARE WE GONNA FUND THIS? ALRIGHT, UM, HERE'S A BIGGIE.
UH, UM, WILL COST INCURRED THROUGH THIS CRISIS AFFECT CUSTOMER RATES IN THE NEAR FUTURE? IF SO, WHAT ARE THE COST ESTIMATES? YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS ALREADY WONDERING WHAT'S THIS GONNA DO TO OUR RATES, WHETHER IT'S SAWS OR C P S, AND EVERYBODY'S WAITING TO HEAR THAT ANSWER.
UH, I THINK, UH, SAWS HAS ALREADY COME OUT SAYING THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR THESE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PASS THE BILL TO THE CUSTOMERS AT THIS POINT.
UH, I WANT AN AFFIRMATION ON THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, IS THAT IN FACT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ONCE ALL THIS IS TOTALED UP? AND IF WE GO INTO THE, UH, PREPARATIONS FOR SOMETHING HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE, WHAT'S THAT GONNA COST US? AND WILL THAT DRIVE RATE INCREASES? SO, UH, EVERYBODY IS VERY, VERY WORRIED ABOUT RATE INCREASES, ESPECIALLY NOW FIGHTING THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC AND, UM, FIGHTING THROUGH THIS SNOW V OR SNOWMAGEDDON OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, UM, HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT THEIR POCKETBOOK AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND, UH, I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PASSING ALONG ANYTHING TO THE CUSTOMERS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR ECONOMY TODAY, UH, BOTH IN THE BUSINESS WORLD AND IN INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL'S POCKETS, UM, THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT DAY TO DAY HERE IN THE CITY.
ALRIGHT, WHY WERE BOTTLED WATER DISTRIBUTION EFFORTS NOT SITUATED SOONER? AND HOW MUCH TIME ELAPSED BETWEEN WHEN SAW SAW WATER QUALITY ISSUES AND IMPACTED SERVICE AND AUDIBLES WERE CALLED TO PROVIDE NEIGHBORS WITH FRESH WATER? UH, I GOT BOMBARDED WITH THAT AS TO WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO GET BOTTLED WATER OUT THERE, OR THESE WATERING STATIONS FOR PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND FILL JUGS OF WATER OR BUCKETS OF WATER TO TAKE HOME TO HELP HELP THEM OUT.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS
AND WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG? WAS THIS AN AFTERTHOUGHT? WAS THIS, UH, IN THEIR EMERGENCY PLANS? AND IF SO, WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG? PEOPLE WENT DAYS WITHOUT FRESH WATER.
WELL, IF YOU BOIL SNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, MELT THE SNOW AND BOIL THAT.
IS THAT, IS THAT DRINKABLE? UH, I DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN READILY AVAILABLE.
I, I KNOW PEOPLE WERE USING THAT TO HELP WITH THEIR SANITATION, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT.
UH, WHY DID CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY TAKE LONGER TO, TO HAVE THE BOIL WATER NOTICE LIFTED COMPARED TO OTHERS? AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT WAS A COMMUNICATION THING.
ALL ALLS WE GOT WAS A MAP SHOWING, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA IS NOW, NOW DRINKABLE, POTABLE.
AND, UM, THEN THERE WERE BIG AREAS THAT TOOK, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY DAYS AND DAYS FOR THAT TO CLEAR UP.
UH, HOW WERE THE DECISIONS MADE TO BRING THE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE SYSTEM BACK ONLINE? YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE PRIORITY SEQUENCE THERE? HOW, HOW, HOW DID THEY MAKE THAT DECISION ON WHICH AREAS TO OPEN UP FIRST AND TO WORK ON? AND, AND WHAT WAS THAT PRIORITY SYSTEM? WHO WAS, WHO WAS GETTING TO THE, TO THE FINISH LINE FIRST VERSUS LAST? AND
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I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE UP ON THE NORTH SIDE WERE WITHOUT WATER A LONG, LONG TIME.AND, AND NOTHING WAS EVER EXPLAINED ABOUT THAT, WHY IT WAS TAKING SO LONG AND WHY IT WAS TAKING THEM LONGER.
UM, UH, HOW WERE THE DECISIONS MADE TO BRING THE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE SYSTEM BACK ONLINE? WELL, THAT, THAT GOES A LITTLE BIT, UM, THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PRIORITY SEQUENCING AND HOW THAT WAS BEING COMMUNICATED, AND HOW LONG WERE MOST PEOPLE WITHOUT WATER DUE TO THE STORM, AND HOW LONG WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT WATER DUE TO THEIR PIPES BURSTING? UM, WE HAD APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT, UH, LITERALLY TOOK WEEKS FOR THEM TO GET WATER BACK ON.
AND, UM, WE NEED A BETTER COORDINATION SYSTEM, NOT ONLY WITH SAWS, BUT WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO HELP THEM GET THEIR WATERS, BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIGGER VOLUME OF PEOPLE WITHIN A, IN A, A SMALL CONDENSED AREA, APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
AND THEY HAD PROBLEMS WITH THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS BURSTING BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PROTECTED AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT KEPT THEIR SYSTEMS OFF A LOT LONGER THAN PEOPLE IN THEIR, UH, IN HOMES.
SO, UH, WE, I, I THINK WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION AND, AND, UH, SAWS TO COME UP WITH LISTS ON WHERE, IF THIS HAPPENS AGAIN, WHERE CAN WE EXPECT TO BE GOING IN THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND OFFER, OFFER THEM ADDITIONAL HELP? UM, WILL THE SAWS PROGRAM TO ASSIST HOMEOWNERS WITH BROKEN PIPES BE FULLY FUNDED IN THE NEXT SAWS BUDGET TO COVER ANOTHER POTENTIAL EMERGENCY? AND HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN THAT BUDGET? UH, THERE WAS A, UH, PROGRAMS, UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN EXISTENCE THAT MONEY WAS PUT INTO TO HELP PEOPLE FIX THEIR BROKEN PIPES, BUT THAT GOT EXHAUSTED RIGHT AWAY.
IN FACT, THERE'S A WAITING LIST TODAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
AGAIN, IT'S A BUDGETING ISSUE ON WHETHER WE CAN BUDGET MONEY TO SET IN A SEPARATE POT FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS, OR HOW CAN WE QUICKLY ACCESS DOLLARS TO PUT INTO THAT TYPE OF FUND TO HELP OUR PEOPLE OUT ACROSS TOWN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF MY QUESTIONS ON THAT SECTION.
SO THE NEXT TWO TOPICS ARE GONNA BE, UH, ABOUT OPERATIONS AND COORDINATION.
QUESTION NUMBER ONE UNDER OPERATIONS IS ABOUT PAIN POINTS.
UH, SO WHICH AREAS WERE MOST HEAVILY HIT BY WATER PRESSURE AND SERVICE ISSUES DUE TO THE DOWN PUMPING STATIONS? I, I BET EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WELL, I BET ANAS SANDOVAL'S HOUSE IS NOT COLD AND SHE'S GOT WATER OR, RIGHT, I BET MANNY PALS IS COMFY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HIS HOUSE IS WARM.
UH, WE HEARD THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
UH, YOU KNOW, I BET THE DOMINIONS GOT WATER, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T.
AND SO, UM, I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WAS THE PAIN EQUITABLY SPREAD AROUND, UH, OR WAS THERE PREFERENCE GIVEN TO SOME NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS OTHERS? UH, THE SECOND ONE IS ABOUT PUMPING STATIONS IN RESPECT TO SAWS, PUMPING STATIONS, UH, SHUTTING DOWN A, B, C, DID SAWS AGREE TO THIS? OR WAS POWER SHUT SHUT OFF BY C P S? IS THERE PRIOR UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE UTILITY PROVIDERS THAT ROLLING OUTAGES, UH, MAY IMPACT, UM, THE PUMPING STATIONS.
B, IF POWER WAS SHOT OFF BY, UH, BY C P S, WAS THIS SHUT OFF DONE MANUALLY OR BY SOME SORT OF AUTOMATIC SYSTEM? YOU KNOW, AT THE MOTHERSHIP HEADQUARTERS? UH, C HOW MUCH OF THE PUMP STATIONS ISSUED WERE CAUSED BY POWER OUTAGES VERSUS FAILING EQUIPMENT DUE TO FREEZING UH, CONDITIONS? WE DID HEAR THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAID, OH, WELL, THE WATER PIPES FROZE NOT JUST AT MY HOUSE, BUT THE PIPES, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, CAN, YOU KNOW, BRING WATER TO MY HOUSE.
UM, WE ALSO, UH, ARE NUMBER 19 IS ABOUT, UH, PROTOCOLS THAT WERE NOT IMPLEMENTED.
SO ARE THERE ANY, UH, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES OR PROTOCOLS THAT ARE NOT EXECUTED THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, THERE TO PROTECT SAS INFRASTRUCTURE DURING THE EVENT? AND LASTLY, IN THIS SECTION, UH, IT'S ABOUT NEW PROTOCOLS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON LESSONS LEARNED, WHAT NEW PROTOCOLS OR WHAT NEW STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES ARE BEING DEVELOPED TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
THE LAST CATEGORY IS COORDINATION.
UH, ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT? UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL C P S, UH, AND CSA DO, UH, AS FAR AS IMPROVING COMMUNICATIONS GOING FORWARD? AND CAN, UM, THIS ONE, I DON'T, I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED IN THE END, BUT I'LL READ IT OFF ANYWAY.
CAN YOU PROVIDE INFORMATION WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN GO FOR EMERGENCY PUBLIC SERVICES, UH, PLUMBING SERVICES? UM, FOLKS, THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT, A LIST THAT CONTINUES TO GET POPULATED AS WE, UH, MOVE ALONG.
UH, RIGHT NOW, AS I'M SITTING HERE, I'M RECEIVING TEXT MESSAGES FROM MY CREW TELLING ME THAT WE'VE GOT MORE QUESTIONS COMING IN.
UM, AND SO WE'LL POPULATE THIS ALSO WITH YOUR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UM, THAT WE GET FROM TODAY.
AND HOPEFULLY AS YOU THINK OF ANY GOOD ONES, UH, YOU'LL LET US KNOW SO
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WE CAN CONTINUE TO PLUG THESE IN.AND, UM, CHAIRMAN, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR REPORT.
UM, LET'S JUST, UH, START, UH, DOWN WITH ANA AND THEN GO AROUND AND, UH, KIND OF TALK THESE THROUGH.
UH, SO I THINK AS, UH, FOLKS WANT TO SPEAK, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, RAISE YOUR HAND.
I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU AND, UH, WE'LL GO ON AROUND.
BUT LET'S, UH, START WITH HONEST COMMENTS, PLEASE.
UH, THANK YOU, UH, MANNY AND CLAYTON FOR, UH, FOR ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
THERE'S CLEARLY LOTS OF THINGS THAT YOU, THAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT HALF OF THESE THINGS.
UM, MY QUESTION HAS MORE TO DO WITH, UM, BECAUSE IT'S SO THOROUGH.
UH, DO WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE CERTAIN QUESTIONS FOR SAWS SO THAT I THINK IF YOU GIVE THEM A LIST OF, YOU KNOW, THIS MANY QUESTIONS OR MORE, RIGHT? UM, THEY'LL, ANYWAY, I'LL GO BACK TO, DO YOU WANNA PRIORITIZE SOME OF THESE? SO,
SO WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY SIT DOWN WITH SAUL'S LEADERSHIP AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE QUESTIONS ARE AND HOW THEY'RE, WHAT DIRECTION THEY'RE GONNA GO IN AND, UH, ANSWERING EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR INTENT IS TO GET WITH THEM AND, AND, AND WE WILL DISCUSS THE PRIORITY THING.
BUT I THINK LOOKING AT THESE QUESTIONS, THERE MIGHT BE SOME DUPLICATION, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING.
BUT, UH, OVERALL, I, I THINK THESE ARE ALL VERY RELEVANT QUESTIONS AND, AND I, I EXPECT THEM ALL TO BE ANSWERED AND, AND NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR ANS UH, PRIORITY SEQUENCE, BUT ANSWER EVERY DANG ONE OF THESE BECAUSE PEOPLE SUBMITTED, SUBMITTED THESE TO US, AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN GETTING THE ANSWER.
SO WE'LL BE SITTING DOWN WITH THEM TO DISCUSS THESE.
I STRUGGLED, I STRUGGLED WITH THIS QUESTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE OF THESE IS MORE IMPORTANT? UM, WHICH ONE SHOULD BE ON THE TOP OF THE LIST? WHICH ONE SHOULD BE ANSWERED SUB LATER? EVERY PERSON THAT'S ASKED US THIS QUESTION, UM, I'M SORRY.
EVERY QUESTION SUBMITTED IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO THE PERSON WHO ASKED IT, RIGHT? UH, AND SO I, UH, ON THE ONE HAND, UM, YOU KNOW, I FEAR THAT PRIORITIZING SENDS A MESSAGE.
WELL, YOUR QUESTION IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER ONES.
ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW ROBERT PUENTE'S WATCHING THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW, AND, UH, I'VE, I'VE KNOWN HIM TO BE THE KIND OF GUY THAT CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, UH, HE'S GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, GINO RAMOS AND MIME CASTILLO AND ALL THOSE FOLKS.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN MOVE VERY QUICKLY TO A SIGN, UH, DIFFERENT TEAMS OVER AT SASS TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
BUT, UM, IF YOU THINK PRIORITY IS, UH, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIZATION OF ONE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ONE CATEGORY OVER THE OTHER IS IMPORTANT.
IF YOU THINK THEY CAN HANDLE IT.
SO, SO IN OUR FIRST TWO MEETINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT SEPARATING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS INTO BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER.
AND I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL FOR EACH OF THE GROUPS TO HAVE BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER, SO THAT WE CAN PUT A STORY TOGETHER, RIGHT? ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE EVENT AND WHAT HAPPENED DURING, AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR THE THREE GROUPS TO COORDINATE IN, IN THAT SENSE.
SO, UM, LISA, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ABOUT TO SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, UH, DID YOU, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
UM, UH, TO, TO THAT POINT, UH, THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO PIECES THAT I WANTED TO SHARE FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
I, I THINK THAT MANNY AND CLAYTON HAVE ACTUALLY LISTED THEIR QUESTIONS MORE OF A BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER, BUT THEY'RE NOT LABELED THAT WAY.
SO, UM, IF IT'S A MATTER OF PRESENTATION TO EACH ENTITY, THERE'S A WAY THAT THAT COULD PROBABLY JUST BE PACKAGED SO THAT IT HAS THAT SIMILARITY.
BUT I, I THINK IT'S KIND OF THERE.
UM, WELL, I KNOW IT'S THERE, IT'S JUST PRESENTED IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FASHION BECAUSE YOUR QUESTIONS ARE MORE COMPREHENSIVE THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
UM, TO THAT END, WHEN YOU ASK ABOUT THE QUESTION OF PRIORITY, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I FIND AND WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS WE'VE LAID IT OUT, WE GIVE THE ENTIRE LIST OF QUESTIONS TO EACH ENTITY IS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, THINGS HAPPENED TO THEM THROUGH THEM AND BY THEM IN THIS PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT IN ORDER FOR US TO REALLY
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GATHER THE TIMELINE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SEEKING, AND THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE, WE WANT TO HAVE ANSWERED, IS TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE IT TO US AND THEIR PERSPECTIVE.SO IF WE BREAK IT DOWN INTO TOO MANY SMALL PO BITS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO THEN MAKE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN EACH BIT AS OPPOSED TO GIVING THEM A LARGER SCHEME TO WORK WITH AND THEN DRILLING DOWN FROM THERE WITH SUBSEQUENT QUESTIONS.
JUST, JUST TO FOLLOW UP REAL QUICKLY ON THAT, UH, WHAT ANNA AND, AND LISA ARE SAYING, THE, THE REASON THAT IF WE CAN PUT IT IN THE BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER IS BECAUSE, AND YOU MADE THE, MADE THE POINT, UH, PLAYED IN BOTH YOU AND MANNY, THAT THIS IS AN INTER INTERRELATED ISSUE.
AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MATCH THOSE THINGS UP.
AND SO I DO THINK THE, THE OVERALL CUT NEEDS TO HAVE A TIMELINE TO IT.
'CAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON A TIMELINE, AND THAT TIMELINE'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT AS TO WHO DID WHAT WHEN, AND WHO COMMUNICATED WITH WHO, WHEN IT'S GONNA PARTICULARLY BECOME IMPORTANT WITH THE GROUP THAT'S WORKING AT THE E O C.
SO I DO THINK I JUST WILL REINFORCE THAT.
SO I THINK A BEFORE, DURING, AFTER, FOR FIRST CUT, THEN IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO, UH, PREPARATION, COMMUNICATION, REMEDIAL ACTION, AFTER THAT, I, THE REMEDIAL WILL FOLLOW INTO THE AFTER, OBVIOUSLY, AND THE PREPARATION WILL BE IN THE BEFORE.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF THAT WAY.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE I WAS GOING IS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD CONNECT THE BEFORE STUFF WITH CCPS MM-HMM.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR, FOR THE GROUP.
SO THE, THE OTHER, UH, QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK IS, UM, I GUESS THE, ANDY, DO YOU HAVE ANY GUIDANCE FOR US ON HOW WE PHRASE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS? I THOUGHT YOU HAD GIVEN US SOME GUIDANCE THE FIRST DATE.
UM, AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, UH, THESE QUESTIONS FOLLOW THAT GUIDANCE, WHICH IS TO FOCUS ON, UH, FACTS AND ASKING ABOUT FACTS AND OBJECTIVITY AND NOT HAVING CONCLUSIONS EMBEDDED INTO THE QUESTIONS THEMSELVES.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DID A GOOD JOB IN TERMS OF FRAMING THAT.
THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS, UH, FRANKLY, THAT WILL REQUIRE SOME ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE COMMUNICATIONS, PARTICULARLY THE ONE TO THE EXTENT C P S HAS ANY CULPABILITY, UH, THAT WILL REQUIRE A LEGAL ANALYSIS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO GIVE, UH, TO THE COMMITTEE.
BUT, UM, YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S THE, THAT WAS THE GUIDANCE IS TO BE, UH, OBJECTIVE FACT SPECIFIC AND NOT EMBED CONCLUSIONS, UH, INTO THE QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THAT THE, THESE QUESTIONS MET THAT CRITERIA.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THE ONE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT.
IS THERE ANY COMMENTS BACK ON THE, ON THOSE? OKAY.
LET'S, UH, LET'S SWITCH SEATS FOR A MOMENT.
UM, I WAS WONDERING, HAVE YOU ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE HAZARDOUS RISK MITIGATION ACTION PLAN? AND ALEX JUST UPLOADED IT, AND WE HAD ASKED FOR IT, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST FOR E O C, BUT I READ THROUGH IT, IT'S 377 PAGES.
SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT SINCE YESTERDAY, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED ONLY THE KEY POINTS FOR SAUCE.
AND SO SPECIFICALLY IN SAS, THERE'S A PLANNING TEAM THAT GETS TO, UM, BE INVOLVED.
AND SOME OF THESE, THESE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE'S ABOUT 60 ACTION RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS GONNA BE, UM, THEN DO YOU KNOW IF THE MITIGATION PLAN, IF IF THERE WAS A REPORT OUT, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN ANNUAL REPORT OUT WHERE WE ARE IN PROGRESS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE? A LOT OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I'LL MAKE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, UH, OR I'LL, I'LL GIVE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES RIGHT NOW, COULD HAVE PREVENTED A LOT OF THIS.
UM, AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY STILL REGULARLY MEET INCLUDED IN THE SAS PARTICIPATION AS THE ASSISTANT ENGINEER AND THE CHIEF OPERATION OFF? UH, CHIEF, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF SASS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDED? I, I DO NOT KNOW THAT.
UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE A PART OF THE PLANNING TEAM.
AND THEN, I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF PEOPLE.
I REALLY ENCOURAGE MY, MY, MY, MY COLLEAGUES ON THE TEAM TO, TO CHECK THAT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST
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EYE-OPENING.THE SECOND PART IS, IT WAS A REPORT BY H TWO O PARTNERS, WHICH I THINK, UH, COUNCILMAN PERRY HAS MENTIONED THEM EARLIER.
AND SO IN THE MITIGATION PLAN WITH THE H TWO O PARTNERS, UM, WE PAID FOR THIS PLAN IN 2014.
UM, IT GOT APPROVED AND ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL IN 2015.
SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE PAID, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO'S ALSO KEEPING UP TO SEE IF THESE WERE ALL IMPLEMENTED.
AND THIS IS GONNA GO ACROSS C P S AND SAWS AND EVEN SOME OF OUR, OUR PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS THE CITY.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I SAW IT YESTERDAY.
I'M NOT GONNA LIE, I COULDN'T SLEEP LAST NIGHT BECAUSE I WAS SO FREAKED OUT ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS.
IT LITERALLY PREDICTED WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN SINCE 2014.
AND SO I HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, AND I ASKED ALEX TO PRINT SOME OF IT OUT BECAUSE I WAS ALMOST OUT OF TONER ON MY, UH, PERSONAL COMPUTER.
SO MY APOLOGIES THAT I DIDN'T PRINT IT OUT AND HIGHLIGHTED FOR ALL OF YOU ALL.
UM, BUT SO THERE'S SOME ACTION.
SO ACTION NUMBER SIX ON THAT REPORT IS SPECIFIC TO SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM.
UM, $875,000 PER UNIT IS WHAT THEY'RE ESTIMATING FOR THE PURCHASE OF GENERATORS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS AS FUNDING IS AVAILABLE.
I WANNA KNOW IF GENERATORS WERE PURCHASED AFTER THAT.
ACTION, ACTION RECOMMENDATION WAS, UM, WAS, UH, I GUESS GIVEN TO US BY THE H TWO O PARTNERS.
THEN I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION AS WELL FOR THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY FOR EVERY YEAR, THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY TO HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE SINCE 2016, WHICH SAYS IT WILL BE FINISHED BY DECEMBER OF 2020 TO SEE IF WE COULD, UM, ALLOCATE $250,000 PER YEAR TO SOME OF THESE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCE TO SEVERE WEATHER EVENTS.
I HAVE NOT SEEN A PRESENTATION FROM THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY IN MY ALMOST TWO YEARS ON COUNCIL.
SO AGAIN, I KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO BE WEARING THE RESIDENT HAT, BUT NOW I'M A LITTLE FREAKED OUT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS ON THE COUNCIL HAT EITHER.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING OR WHO'S SUPPOSED TO STAY ON TOP OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT, SOMEBODY IS NOT STAYING ON TOP OF IT.
AND SO I WAS DISAPPOINTED, UM, ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN ALSO, DID WE ADD ANY OF THIS, BECAUSE THE RECOMMENDATION IN THERE ON PAGE 34 IS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, 2040 HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGEMENT PLAN, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, BOND PROGRAM 20 12 20 17, I GUESS, ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THE SPENDING.
AND SO I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I WASN'T ON COUNCIL IN 2012 AND 2017, SO I DON'T KNOW IF MY COLLEAGUES WERE, UM, WERE, CAN RECALL SOME OF THAT.
THERE'S A POLICY RECOMMENDATION TO ENABLE THE IDENTIFICATION OF PARCELS OR AREAS TO BE DESIGNATED AS HIGH RISK.
I'M SEEING THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THAT THAT HAS TO DO THIS, BUT THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE.
UM, IDENTIFICATION OF RELATED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OR LAND ACQUISITION PROJECTS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A WEBSITE, UM, THAT'S DIRECTED, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT HELPS US.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES THAT.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS LIKE, WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE KEEPING UP WITH THIS ON EVERY PART? SO IT CLEARLY OUTLINES ON SAUCE THAT THERE'S AN ENGINEER, THAT THERE'S THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER.
UM, THERE'S ALSO AN ACTION ON THERE THAT SAYS, CONDUCT PUBLIC EDUCATION VIA SOCIAL MEDIA, UTILITY FLYERS AND OTHER OUTREACH METHODS INCREASE AWARENESS OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND RELEASE OF, UH, INFORMATION ON PIPELINE FAILURE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT, BUT IT COULD HAVE MAYBE BEEN EASILY ACCOMMODATED.
THERE'S ALSO BEAUTIFUL SCRIPTS, BY THE WAY.
SO OUR COMMUNICATIONS PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO CREATE NEW SCRIPTS.
YOU COULD LITERALLY COPY AND PASTE AND POST ON YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA OR ON YOUR, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, BECAUSE IT ALSO SAYS BY THE WAY, THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, UM, BUDGETING DURING THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS FOR THESE RISK MITIGATION EFFORTS IN GENERAL.
AND IT SAYS THAT WE WILL SPEAK ABOUT IT.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO BUDGET SESSIONS NOW.
I DON'T RECALL THIS, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS, THAT SOMEBODY IS KEEPING UP BECAUSE IT SAYS THE PLANNING TEAM.
UH, WELL, SO, SO THE PLAN WILL BE DISCUSSED AT ANNUAL BUDGET MEETINGS TO CONSIDER PROPOSED FUNDING FOR SOURCES FOR MITIGATION ACTIONS, AND THEN ALSO THE PLANNING TEAM, WHICH IS BACK TO THE PLANNING TEAM THAT I MENTIONED, THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT, UH, ORGANIZATIONS WILL MEET ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO EVALUATE THE PLAN AND IDENTIFY ANY NEEDED CHANGES.
THE ANNUAL EVALUATION PROCESS WILL HELP DETERMINE IF ANY CHANGES ARE NECESSARY.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT I THINK THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO INCLUDE, UM, SAWS AND C P SS.
THERE'S EVEN THE RECOMMENDATION TO TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S GRANT OPTIONS IN ADVANCE OF THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN UPDATE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN ADD ON THE SAWS AND SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO SOME OF THE SAW ISSUES.
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LOT MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE E OOC END OF IT.UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT 377 PAGER.
AND, AND, UH, I I, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, UH, WE'VE GOT LISA TATUM AND, AND ANDY SEGOVIA HERE WHO I, I THINK YOU BOTH PASSED THE BAR EXAM, UH, ALONG WITH ME.
AND, UH, THE ONE, THE ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN TAUGHT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS LAWYERS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO EMPLOYEE HANDBOOKS, RIGHT? IF YOU'VE GOT AN EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK AND YOU LET THAT EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK COLLECT DUST, RIGHT? THEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK AND YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE POLICIES, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
IF, IF I MAY COUNCILWOMAN, UH, UH, AND AND CHAIR, IT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO HAVE A REPORT TO THIS COMMITTEE ON THAT RISK MITIGATION PLAN.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
SO, UM, I THINK IF WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT AS TO HOW THAT WAS DEVELOPED, WHO WAS CHARGED WITH IMPLEMENTING IT AND WHERE WE'RE AT IN A VERY FRANK MANNER, THAT MAY BE HELPFUL TO THE COMMITTEE.
UM, THAT THAT APPEARS TO BE SOMETHING UNDER, UNDER Y'ALL'S PURVIEW.
UM, I THINK ED, I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENT ON THAT.
SO I'M ACTUALLY THINKING, MR. CHAIR, I MEAN, WE CAN TAKE IT, BUT I, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S A FOURTH AREA.
I, I, I THINK THAT THERE IS, SO THE E O C IN AND OF ITSELF AS AN ENTITY, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, OPERATED IN A CERTAIN WAY BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER.
BUT, BUT WHAT, WHAT I THINK ADRIANA WAS POINTING TO MORE IS THE CITY GOVERNMENT AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO MANAGE THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS MITIGATION PLAN TO DETERMINE WHERE, UH, WHERE SORT OF PREPARATION WAS PLACED BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GOT INTO THE EVENT.
UM, AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE A LOT OF, UH, POTENTIAL DECISIONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN THAT WOULD'VE IMPACTED THE WAY THIS UNFOLDED.
SO IF, IF YOU WANNA SORT OF PUT THAT UNDER THE E O C I THINK IT'S, I, I ACTUALLY, WE CAN TAKE IT WITH OUR GROUP, BUT I THINK IT'S A SEPARATE SORT OF SET OF ISSUES THAT AREN'T DIRECTLY, THAT DON'T HAVE REALLY ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE E O C.
WHY DON'T WE READ IT AND SEE WHAT'S IN THERE AND THEN WE CAN START
WE CAN DO THAT NEXT WEEK, BUT THAT GIVES US A WEEK TO READ IT.
AND, UM, I, I THINK, UM, I, I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE.
I JUST GOT BACK, UH, INTO TOWN LAST NIGHT.
AND, UH, SO LET'S, LET'S TAKE, LET'S TAKE A READ ON IT, BUT I'M, I GUESS, IS THERE, IS THERE OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU HAD, UH, ADRIANA? NO.
UM, ALRIGHT, LET, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON THEN.
ED, COULD YOU GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK TO, UM, SURE.
UM, CLAYTON AND MANNY, JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.
UM, AND THIS MAY HAVE BEEN EMBEDDED IN, I THINK IN THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, IT WAS A SPECIFIC QUESTION.
AND, AND, AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS IS THAT IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT PARTS OF THE SAWS SYSTEM, UH, LOST FUNCTIONALITY, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC DIRECT QUESTION, WHAT, WHAT PARTS OF THE SYSTEM LOST FUNCTIONALITY DURING YOU CAN GET IT, GET TO IT, I THINK THROUGH VARIOUS QUESTIONS YOU ASKED, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION IS IN THERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT PARTS LOST FUNCTIONALITY? AND THEN THE, A COROLLARY TO THAT, OR A SECONDARY QUESTION IS, OF THOSE SYSTEMS THAT LOST FUNCTIONALITY, WHICH ONES WERE DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO, UH, LOSS OF POWER? SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK AGAIN, WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE WANNA UNDERSTAND IS, YOU KNOW, IF THE WHOLE SYSTEM, IF WE'D NEVER LOST POWER, WOULD THE WATER SYSTEM HAVE WORKED WITHOUT REALLY ANY ISSUES? UM, AND IF NOT, THEN YOU KNOW, WHAT PARTS CAN WE SEGREGATE OUT THAT ARE WATER VERSUS POWER, YOU KNOW, VERY DIRECTLY.
SO I, AGAIN, I THINK YOU CAN KIND OF GET TO IT BY PIECING THOSE TOGETHER, BUT I'D ASK, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST TO ASK THAT DIRECT QUESTION.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I GET I DIDN'T SEE IS, AND MAY HAVE BEEN IN THERE, IS WHAT FORMAL AGREEMENT DID SAS AND C P SS HAVE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT'S ON PAPER THAT SAYS HOW THEY ARE GOING TO INTERACT DURING THIS TYPE OF A CONTINGENCY?
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I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS THERE, BUT IF NOT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.UM, ANOTHER SORT OF AREA IS, UM, AND MR. CHAIR, I I, THIS IS SORT OF A QUESTION MAYBE FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, I, I READ SOMETHING A FEW WEEKS AGO AND I'M, AND I CAVEATED, I READ IT SO I DON'T BEL YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SOURCE WAS ALL THAT GOOD, BUT IT, BUT IT SAID THAT AUSTIN JUST UP THE ROAD DID, DIDN'T HAVE ANY POWER ISSUES.
UH, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THEIR WATER, BUT I MEAN, THEY HAD THE SAME WEATHER WE DID, RIGHT? UH, AND IT SAID BECAUSE THEY HAD TAKEN MITIGATION MEASURES TO WINTERIZE THEIR SYSTEM.
SO I'M ONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN SORT OF REINVENTING THE WHEEL OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S ALREADY SORT OF FIGURED IT OUT.
SO A CITY TO OUR NORTH, THAT'S A VERY CLOSE NEIGHBOR THAT HAD THE EXACT SAME WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT WE DID, IF ANYTHING, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT WORSE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NORTH OF US.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY HAD THIS, THIS, THIS FIGURED OUT AND THAT CAN PROVIDE US WITH A ROAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY REINVENT HERE.
AND SO I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THIS PROCESS, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO SORT OF LOOK AT THAT AS A, AS A MODEL, UH, NOT NECESSARILY A MODEL TO REPLICATE, BUT TO, TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TWO DIFFERENT RESPONSES GIVEN THE SAME SITUATION.
AND, AND I'LL NEED TO THINK MYSELF A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW TO SORT OF FORMULATE THAT IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US IN THIS PROCESS.
BUT IT JUST STRIKES ME JUST VERY GLARINGLY THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE APPARENTLY HAD THIS, WERE BETTER PREPARED FOR THIS THAN OTHERS.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THIS BIG BILL, I DON'T BELIEVE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PURCHASE THE POWER IN THE SAME WAY.
AND, AND, AND, AND HOW THE GRID WORKED.
I MEAN, DID THEY, THESE ARE QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED, BUT DID THEY, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THE LOAD SHARING WORK IN AUSTIN AND, AND WHAT WAS THE IMPACT THERE VERSUS HERE? AND I, I'M NOT, I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH THIS FOR THE GROUP AND MAYBE IT'S NOT A, A PRODUCTIVE ROAD TO GO DOWN, BUT ONE THAT, THAT STRIKES ME AS WORTH AT LEAST AN INITIAL, AN INITIAL LOOK.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT, I DO HAVE FRIENDS AND RELATIVES THAT LIVE IN AUSTIN.
THERE WERE A LOT OF WATER OUTAGES THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A SYSTEM-WIDE FAILURE OR IF IT WAS INDIVIDUAL HOUSES AND APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT HAD THE WATER ISSUES.
AND I READ THAT, UH, IN THE EXPRESS NEWS ABOUT AUSTIN ACTUALLY MADE MONEY YEAH.
UH, THROUGH THE POWER SIDE BY SELLING, SELLING, UH, POWER.
AND, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE BUYING AUSTIN'S POWER OR SOMEWHERE FROM ERCOT.
YEAH, AND I DON'T WANNA GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO SORT OF SEND US DOWN ONE, BUT, AND, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S A LATER SET OF QUESTIONS, NOT TO PULL US OFF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW, BUT SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MY MIND.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
TWO INTERPLAY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL TOUCHED ON WITHIN YOUR, YOUR, UM, LINE OF QUESTIONING.
UM, AND IT WAS, UH, QUESTION 11 IN PARTICULAR, UM, I THINK IT WAS POSED TO ASK, UM, IF THERE WERE THINGS THAT SAS COULD DO, WHAT WERE THEY? AND IF IT WAS ALL, IF THERE WAS NOTHING THAT SAS COULD DO, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING RELATED TO C P S E, THEN WHAT WAS THAT? UM, AND I WOULD INVITE YOU TO BROADEN THAT QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR ABOUT THE INTERPLAY.
YOU'VE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT C P S E TOLD SAWS, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE INTERCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE TWO, WHICH KIND OF GOES TO A FORMAL AGREEMENT THAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAD.
UM, AND THEN TO MAKE SURE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO THE QUESTION BEING FRAMED AS IF THERE'S NOTHING, IF NONE, WHAT DOES SAS LEADERSHIP BELIEVE C P S E COULD DO IS TO BROADEN THAT BACK UP TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON A MORE GENERAL SCALE, WHICH IS WHAT THINGS WERE WITHIN SASS CONTROL, WHAT THINGS WERE NOT, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER FACTORS THAT EITHER ARE WEATHER RELATED OR ARE NOT WEATHER RELATED THAT WE CAN SIPHON OUT AS WELL.
ANY, UH, CLAY? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON GETTING WITH THE, THE SAS LEADERSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH EACH ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS AND THEY KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO GO IN.
BUT THAT'S A GOOD ONE TO, UH, AUGER
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IN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE INNER INNER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE TWO AND WHAT'S WITHIN THEIR CONTROL AND WHAT'S NOT.WE'LL, WE'LL ADD THAT TO THAT.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP POINTS.
UM, AGAIN, THE BEFORE OR AFTER, AND BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER, UH, IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T LINK THOSE UP, WE, WE SAW THE PROBLEMS BETWEEN, UM, THE POWER PRODUCERS AND THE NATURAL GAS PRODUCERS IN THE STATE.
THEY DIDN'T LINK UP, THEY DIDN'T DECIDE THAT THEY COULD SEND IN A THREE PAGE REPORT AND, AND BE, BE DEEMED ON A CRITICAL CIRCUIT AND NOT BE INTERRUPTED.
SO I DO BELIEVE FROM OUR STANDPOINT THAT, THAT AN ANNA AND I ARE WORKING ON, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HOPEFULLY GET A, A, A MAP A SOME OF SOME DETAIL THAT CAN SHOW THE CIRCUITS AND THE KIND OF CIRCUITS THEY ARE HOPEFULLY TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR A MAP OF WHERE, UH, SAWS POWER STATIONS ARE.
I MEAN, UH, PUMP STATIONS ARE, I THINK WE CAN OVERLAY THAT AND, AND START LOOKING AT, AGAIN, REMEMBER THERE'S THREE KINDS OF CIRCUITS.
THERE'S INTERRUPTIBLE, THERE'S CRITICAL, AND THEN THERE'S THE LOW, LOW FREQUENCY CIRCUITS.
AND IT MIGHT BE VERY HELPFUL THEN IF WE CAN OVERLAY THOSE, THOSE, THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO MAPS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA SHOW US WHERE IN GOING FORWARD, IF WE HAVE TO, UH, ASK FOR THESE TWO ENTITIES TO RE-LOOK, UH, THEIR CIRCUIT DESIGN AS WELL AS THEIR PUMP DESIGN, THAT MIGHT REALLY HELP US.
SO I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT YOU'RE GOING AFTER A, A MAP, UH, THAT'LL GEOGRAPHICALLY ALLOW US TO PUT THIS ON THERE.
UH, ALSO WHEN YOU'RE, UH, TALKING WITH, WITH SAS AND, AND I, I, I HAVEN'T COMPLETELY READ THE, THE H TWO O REPORT, I, BUT JUST LISTENING TO WHAT WAS SAID, I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN PUTTING ENOUGH GENERATION POWER, UM, EMERGENCY GENERATION POWER THERE TO POWER THE PUMPS FROM DO YOU NEED SOME BACKUP POWER TO POWER YOUR HEAT STRIPS AND YOUR INSTRUMENTATION? SO WHEN YOU DISCUSS WITH SAWS, PERHAPS YOU CAN TALK TO 'EM THAT MAYBE THERE'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THE FULL WAY ON ALL THESE STATIONS, BUT CERTAINLY IF WE LOST POWER AND LOST INSTRUMENTATION AND HEAT STRIPS, UH, IT WOULDN'T HAVE DONE ANY.
I MEAN, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE LITTLE PROBLEM, THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, IF YOU WILL, WITH MAYBE A LOT LESS GENERATION BACKUP POWER THAN, THAN THE THE LARGE PUMPS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE PUMPS ARE GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF POWER.
AND, UM, AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE BIG DIFFERENCE IN THAT COST.
SO IF WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAPPENED, Y'ALL CAN FIND OUT IF WE ACTUALLY HAD, UM, LOSS OF HEAT STRIPS AND INSTRUMENTATION, UH, EVEN BEFORE WE LOST, UM, BEFORE WE LOST POWER TO THE PUMPS.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE THING THAT WOULD KIND OF BE INTERESTING.
I LIKE YOUR, UM, YOUR MONEY, UH, APPROACH, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT, UH, WE CAN GET IT BROKEN INTO, UH, WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO FIX THE DAMAGES AND WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO FIX THE SYSTEM, UH, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT PARTICULARLY FOR THE GROUP THAT, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, WITH ED'S GROUP, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PROBABLY LOOK AT SOME CHANGES AND MONEY'S EVERYTHING, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, CLAYTON.
SO WE ARE GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS.
I, I, YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE FACT THAT WE CAN CONSOLIDATE THESE DOWN BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS NEED TO BE RESPECTED AS, AS MANNY SAID, FROM EACH PERSON.
BUT I THINK PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THEIR QUESTION COULD VERY WELL BE, UM, CONTAINED IN A GENERAL QUESTION.
AND NOW THAT THEY'VE SEEN IT HERE, AND AGAIN, WE'LL GET BRIEFED, UH, NEXT WEEK, UH, AT 1130 ON QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME IN SINCE.
SO WE ALL NEED TO KEEP OUR, KEEP OURSELVES FLEXIBLE HERE AND, AND, UH, AND LEARNING.
UM, ON THE, UM, ONE THING I DID WOULD LIKE TO, TO TO KNOW IS, UH, IT WAS THE POINT WAS MADE SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PRESS THAT SAW US PUMPED A LOT OF WATER DURING THIS EVENT.
AND AS WE SAW THE AQUIFER DROPPED, UH, QUITE A BIT, FIVE, SIX FEET OR SOMETHING.
UH, MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF, OF, OF, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD A LOT OF BREAKS, UH, THAT LED TO THE BOILED WATER ISSUE.
ANYTIME YOU HAVE A BREAK AND A PIPE, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA POTENTIALLY HAVE CONTAMINATION.
SO, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WATER DID WE ACTUALLY PUMP, YOU KNOW? UH,
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AND, AND, AND HOW QUICK COULD WE, I I, I HAD A PERSONAL SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS A, A HOUSE THAT NO ONE LIVES IN ON OUR BLOCK.IT'S, I GUESS IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR YEARS, AND THERE WAS CLEARLY A WATER LEAK.
I MEAN, IT'S RUNNING OUT IN THE STREET, AND, AND I WASN'T QUITE SURE HOW TO REPORT IT.
AND THEN WHEN I, I CALLED, I, I FOUND OUT THAT, THAT YOU REPORTED UNDER THE WATER WASTER BUTTON
OKAY, WELL, YEAH, IT'S WATER WASTER, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT KIND OF WHAT WHITE WE THINK ABOUT REPORTING A WATER WAS.
WE THINK ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT'S, UH, WATERING ON THE WRONG DAY.
AND, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN YOUR COMMUNICATIONS, WHEN YOUR COMMUNICATION DISCUSSIONS, I THINK BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE THOSE WEBSITES SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IS GONNA BE REALLY I IMPORTANT.
AND, AND I, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL, THAT'LL GET DONE.
UM, NOW, NOW BACK ON, ON, ON ED'S POINT, UM, I, I THINK IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ALL RETHINK, IS IT, IS IT SAS, C P S AND, AND, UH, E O C? OR IS IT SAS, C P SS AND, AND, AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? IS THAT OUR TRIANGLE? OKAY.
ARE WE, ARE, ARE WE THINKING ABOUT IT? RIGHT? AND IS IT STILL A TRIANGLE OR IS IT A BOX
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE GET AGREEMENT ON THAT, DON'T MEAN TO LOAD YOUR GROUP UP, BUT IT, IT'S, IT, IT, I I, I GOTTA READ THIS REPORT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME DOING IT.
UH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT, ADRIANA.
BUT WE'VE ALL GOTTA LOOK AT IT AND UNDERSTAND IT AND, AND SEE WHERE WE GO WITH THAT.
I JUST WANNA ADD, AND I SIGNED COUNCILMAN PERRY, C C R FOR INSTANCE, ON, UM, SOME PREPARATION MEASURES.
THIS REPORT SAYS IT, AND I GUESS THAT WAS KIND OF MY, MY MAIN POINT FOR ASKING LIKE, HOW MUCH DID WE PAY FOR THIS? BECAUSE IF WE HAVEN'T IMPLEMENTED IT YEARS LATER, THEN, THEN TO ME, I, I THINK THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN A WASTE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS, RIGHT? AND SO I JUST WANT GO GOING BACK TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE REINVENTING THE WHEEL ON A WHOLE LOT OF THESE THINGS.
I KNOW THAT WITH MY STAFF, I WAS LIKE, LET'S DO THIS, LET'S DO THAT.
YOUR STAFF WAS DOING, YOUR STAFF WAS DOING, YOUR STAFF WAS DOING IT, BUT THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING IN PLACE.
WE LITERALLY JUST HAD TO READ AND EXECUTE.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE, WHAT, WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT, RIGHT? THAT WHO HAS ACCESS TO THIS.
I DO WANNA SAY THAT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION, IT SAYS IT'S PROTECTED UNDER THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION.
UM, SO I, I KNOW ANDY, I, I DID NOT REFERENCE ANY OF THAT PART JUST IN CASE.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE YOU ALL AWARE, UM, THAT, THAT THERE IS SOME, SOME LIMITATIONS ON SOME OF THE THINGS.
UM, BUT JUST F Y I THANK YOU CHAIR.
UH, WELL, OF COURSE, I THINK MANNY SAID IT WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING, YOU DON'T USE IT, YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
BUT I, I NEED SOMEBODY TO UNDER TELL ME WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS FAR AS THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE THAT I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT.
IF I READ IT, WE, WE, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, CHAIR, BUT E EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNCILMAN REFERRED TO RIGHT NOW, IT, THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE REPORT.
WELL, I DON'T WANNA SEE THE NON-PUBLIC PART, SO SOMEBODY TAKE IT OUT.
OH, WELL, IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE.
THEN IF IT'S OUT THERE, THEN I CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
IF IT'S ON THE WEBSITE, YES, IT'S WHATEVER'S ON THE WEBSITE YOU CAN LOOK AT.
NO, THIS REPORT IS NOT ON THE WEBSITE.
THIS REPORT IS ON THE SHAREPOINT SIDE, WHICH IS JUST LIMITED TO YOU ALL.
WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT IF, IF, IF IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE SEE IT, THAT'S FINE.
IF NOT, I SUGGEST THAT BEFORE I LOOK AT IT, THAT WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT OFF.
BECAUSE FRANKLY, I DON'T WANNA SEE ANYTHING I CAN'T TALK ABOUT.
I'VE LEARNED THAT A LONG TIME AGO.
ALL RIGHT, CHAR, WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT WAS POSTED TO THE SHAREPOINT SIDE.
UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE MITIGATION PLAN, UH, AND I, THE APPENDICES, I BELIEVE ARE EVEN ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
UM, SO THERE MAY BE PORTIONS, UH, UH, ADRIANA THAT ARE, THAT ARE LIMITED IN THERE THAT I, THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF.
BUT WE WILL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, AND I'LL WORK WITH ANDY'S TEAM TO, TO, TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT.
AND, AND, AND, AND, YES, SO THERE WAS SPECIFIC, AND IT WAS TOWARDS THE END, SO IT WAS LIKE IN THE 300 FIFTIES OR SO PAGES, UM, OBVIOUSLY LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, INFORMATION THAT YEAH, IT'S JUST PUBLIC ALREADY.
IT, SO I, I THANK YOU FOR, UH, UH, FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS CONFUSED.
SO THERE'S A APPENDIX A THROUGH V FOR OUR CURRENT BASIC PLAN.
SO IT'S THE ADDENDUMS, IF YOU WILL, BUT THEN THIS IS ENTIRELY SEPARATE, AND THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY MORE COMPREHENSIVE.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT I HADN'T SEEN UNTIL YESTERDAY.
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LIKE, WHEN DO WE SHIFT FROM THE BASIC PLAN TO THE HAZARD MITIGATION ACTION PLAN, OR, OR HOW DO WE USE THEM TOGETHER? DO YOU KNOW THAT? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.I, I AM NOT HEAVILY INVOLVED ON THE E O C SIDE, SO I WOULD NEED TO BRING SOMEBODY ELSE IN TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
I DO KNOW THAT, UH, ONE OF THOSE REPORTS IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING UPDATED.
IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO FEMA FOR THEIR APPROVAL.
AND THEN ON THOSE APPENDICES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DO NOT UPDATE THOSE.
UM, UH, I THINK THE BASIC PLAN HAS TO BE UPDATED AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE APPENDICES, THEY'RE ON LIKE A STAGGERED SCHEDULE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT UPDATING THEM ALL THE TIME.
SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE CURRENT PROCESS.
BUT I THINK, UH, CHAIR MAY BE HELPFUL AT SOME POINT TO HAVE ONE OF OUR, UM, FOLKS THAT IS MORE INVOLVED IN THE E O C OR RUNNING THE E O C TO COME IN AND, AND MAYBE GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT ON THAT.
SO ONE OF THE AREAS THAT IS, FOR INSTANCE, FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY, IT'S, UM, THE DAM LOCATIONS, RIGHT? UM, THE CRITICAL FACILITIES TOTALLY GET IT.
DON'T WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH THE PUBLIC.
IT, IT COULD PUT US, YOU KNOW, SO, SO IT, WE DON'T WANT THE BAD GUYS TO FIND WHERE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE CRITICAL THINGS ARE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS.
SO IT'S ABOUT PAGE THREE 70 ISH THAT BECOMES, I THINK, SENSITIVE, UM, MEETING DOCUMENTATION, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS.
WHAT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALSO LOOK AT, SO A LOT OF THE PLAN TALKS ABOUT COMMUNICATION, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF RESPONSE AT THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH COMMUNICATION.
THERE WAS, UM, ONE QUESTION IN THERE IN PARTICULAR THAT SAID, UM, WHAT ARE SOME STEPS YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT COULD DO TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE, OR ELIMINATE THE RISK OF FUTURE HAZARD DAMAGES? AND SO, UM, THERE, I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S JUST THINGS ON HERE THAT ARE SHARING SPECIFICALLY LIKE WHAT TO DO IN THE COMMUNICATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA SHARE THAT ALSO WITH, UM, JEFF COYLE AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN MAYBE HAVE HIM, UM, UH, JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND, AND SEE WHAT HE RECOMMENDS AS WELL.
BECAUSE THE CLEAR CONSENSUS WAS THAT THEY WANT INFORMATION.
AND SO THEY WANTED INFORMATION IN 2014, THEY WANT INFORMATION.
NOW, THERE WAS ABOUT 90% OF FOLKS THAT WERE SOMEWHAT OR EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL HAZARDS.
AND SO I'M JUST WORRIED THAT WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON IT SINCE 2014 WHEN WE HAD THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION.
AND SO, UM, IT EVEN, IT, IT EVEN SHOWS WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION, HOW THEY PREFER TO RECEIVE THEIR INFORMATION.
59% OF THE PEOPLE IN THERE SAID THAT WE COULD REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE RISK OF THESE FUTURE HAZARDS, UH, BY, UM, PUBLIC AWARENESS.
SO AGAIN, RIGHT? SO, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT BELONGS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT BELONGS IN A CATEGORY AND NOT THREE IN C P S AND IN SAWS IN THE CITY, BUT PUBLIC AWARENESS.
AND THEN I JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS, THAT THERE IS NO REFERENCE IN THERE TO FOLKS WITH DIFFERENT ABILITIES, RIGHT? THERE'S NO SPANISH DOCUMENTATION ON THERE.
SO FOLKS THAT DON'T SPEAK SPANISH AND THERE'S NO ACCESS IN THERE, OR THERE'S, THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS.
SO I JUST, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW THAT WERE GLARING OMISSIONS OF THAT REPORT, BUT THAT'S IT.
WELL, ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT IF WE CAN JUST TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THAT, AND ANDY, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING ON THERE ON THAT SHAREPOINT EVEN THAT, THAT, UH, I CAN'T IMAGINE WE NEED TO SEE SOMETHING THAT'S THAT CONFIDENTIAL, BUT WELL, NO, YOU'RE FINE.
YOU'RE A COUNCILWOMAN, YOU'RE FINE.
I JUST DON'T THINK, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE'VE GOT BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, IF IT'S, IF IT'S, UM, IF IT'S SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETINGS REQUESTS OR OPEN DOCUMENTS REQUESTS, WE, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL.
UH, WELL, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT, AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST THING I, I WOULD THINK ABOUT IS THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE, LISA, THAT ORGANIZING THIS KIND OF IN THE SAME SAME WAY SO THAT WE'VE KIND OF GOT THE SAME OUTLINE.
IT'S GONNA HELP US PULL THIS TOGETHER BECAUSE CLEARLY THIS IS A, THIS IS A 3, 3, 3 ACT PLAY, AND IT'S ALL GOTTA BE CONNECTED.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S I GUESS ALL OF MY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ON THIS AT THIS TIME? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE THINK WE NEED TO DO AT THIS TIME? MOVE TO ADJOURN.
UH, ALSO, UM, THE FERMENT, THE, THE, THE, THE PROCEDURE WE'RE USING IS, UH, WE'RE RUNNING ALL OF THESE THROUGH BEN, SO AFTER Y'ALL
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SPEAK WITH, UH, ROBERT, STEVE AND WHOEVER OVER THERE, THEN, UH, LET'S JUST GET THOSE TO HIM.UH, WE'LL GET 'EM POSTED AS SOON AS WE CAN AND, UM, AND GET OUR ANSWERS AND GETS GOING.
THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR ATTENDING TODAY.
APPRECIATE ALL THE, ALL THE ATTENTION AND, UM, GREAT WORK.
AND WE'LL UH, BE BACK HERE NEXT WEEK, SAME TIME, SAME PLACE.