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WE ARE WAITING FOR, THERE YOU GO.
[Work Session]
AFTERNOON EVERYONE.OH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, UH, REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT FOR MONTE VISTA TERRACE.
SO IF THE STAFF IS READY TO PRESENT THAT, LET'S BEGIN THERE.
WE'RE GONNA START, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA START WITH THE DIGNITY HILL PRESENTATION VERY WELL.
AND MS. ALINA PHILLIPS IS TAKE OVER AT THIS POINT.
UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO, UM, OUR POWERPOINT, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT WAS INITIATED BY THE P BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEREFORE THE FEES WERE, WERE, UH, WAIVED.
SO LET'S LOOK AT OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.
ON OUR AGENDA, WE'LL HAVE BACKGROUND AND GOALS, ZONING, HISTORY, ZONING DISTRICTS, OUR PROPOSED REZONING AND OUR TENTATIVE TIMELINE.
THIS PROJECT BEGAN WITH THE PETITION, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION WAS APPROVED ON NOVEMBER 9TH, 2017.
UH, WE, WE WILL REVIEW AND REZONE PROPERTIES LOCATED AT HACKBERRY STREET, LAMAR STREET AND NORTH PINE.
OUR BACKGROUND AND GOALS IN 2012, DIGNITY HILL WAS REZONED AS A PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE, LARGE AREA REZONING TO IMPLEMENT THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2009.
THE REZONINGS WILL GO FROM I D Z INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH PERMITTED USES, I'M SORRY, WITH USES PERMITTED IN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND RMM SIX, ZONE TWO, R FOUR, R FIVE, AND R SIX APPROPRIATELY, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
UH, OUR LARGE AREA REZONING WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND IT WILL ADDRESS THE RESIDENT'S SIGNED PETITION TO REZONE FROM I D Z.
HERE WE SHOW A TWO MAPS OF THE REZONED AREA FROM I D Z REZONING TO R SIX, R FIVE, AND R FOUR.
THIS IS OUR TENTATIVE TIMELINE.
WE DID MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS TO DISCUSS THEIR PREFERENCES ON THE REZONING.
UH, WE PLAN TO GO TO ZONING COMMISSION ON APRIL 20TH AND CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 6TH.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. PHILLIPS.
AND STAFF, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE FOR THE WORK SESSION BEFORE WE GET TO TODAY'S AGENDA? AND NOW AT THIS TIME, JOHN STON AND I WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER SMALL PREVIEW OF THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT FOR MONTE VISTA TERRACE IN THIS WORK SESSION.
UNLIKE THE LAST WORK SESSION, I WILL JUST REFRESH YOUR MEMORIES ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, BUT THEN JOHN WILL GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP.
SO, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU'RE READY, WE CAN PROCEED.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMISSIONER.
THIS IS JOHN AUSTIN WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND, UM, BACK IN, UH, 2000, AT THE END OF 2018, ACTUALLY, DISTRICT ONE, UH, RECEIVED, UH, UH, REQUEST, UH, OR PETITION, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO INITIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
AND, UM, UH, BACK IN, UH, AGAIN AT THE END OF, UH, 2018, UH, THEY ISSUED THE COUNCIL CONATION IN A REQUEST THE C C R, WHICH, UH, LED US TO THE, YOU KNOW, UH, ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION IN 2019.
IN 2019, WE STARTED, UH, THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS
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WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I WILL GO INTO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER, YOU KNOW, DETAILS.AND, UH, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, U D C AMENDMENTS, THIS IS GOING TO BE U D C AMENDMENT.
AND, UH, IT REQUIRES A ZONING COMMISSION AND, AND CITY COUNCIL A HEARING.
AND, UH, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, THE BOUNDARY LINE WITH 187 PROPERTIES INCLUDED.
AND ACCORDING TO OUR, UH, G I S MAP CALCULATIONS, UH, FROM THE BAY COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT DATABASE, ONLY FOUR OF THEM ARE VACANT LOTS.
UH, ALL OF ALL THE REST, UH, ARE DEVELOPED.
NEXT, PLEASE, AND THIS IS QUICK, UH, YOU PROCESS THAT.
UH, AFTER WE RECEIVED THAT, UH, RESOLUTION, WE IMMEDIATELY STARTED, UH, WITH, UH, THE CREATING A TASK FORCE AND, UH, SEVERAL MONTHLY MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWED.
AND WE CONSTANTLY UPDATED THE WEBSITE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE WAY.
AND, UM, WE FINALIZED THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, WE AGAIN, UH, HAD A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH THE PROP, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT INPUT FROM THEM AND, AND HERE WE ARE.
UH, IT ALL STARTED WITH THE AUGUST AFTER THE RESOLUTION.
UH, WE ISSUED, UH, THIS, UM, INVITATION, YOU KNOW, LETTER TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UH, INFORMED THEM AND INVITED THEM, UH, FOR THIS, FOR THIS PROCESS.
AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN POSTED ON THE WEBSITE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE, WITH THE PUBLIC.
AND THESE ARE THE NAME OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS.
THEY CAME TO ALL THE MEETINGS, BUT I WOULD SAY MORE THAN HALF OF 'EM DEFINITELY CAME TO ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS.
NEXT ONE TYPICALLY IS IN, IS THE ZONING OVERLAY CLASSIFICATION, AND IT ADDRESSES APPROPRIATENESS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGH ENFORCEABLE DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND THIS PARTICULAR ONE, UH, FOR MON VISTA TERRA DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO IT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS.
NEXT ONE, WHAT N C D DOES IS IT'S, UH, BASICALLY, UH, PROTECTS NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY AND THEN UNIQUE CHARACTER, AND IT PROMOTES COMPATIBLE INFO DEVELOPMENT AND IT ALLOWS, UM, A FAIR AND OBJECTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS.
IT PROVIDES A TOOL FOR PROACTIVE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING, AND IT DOES NOT ENFORCE DE RESTRICTIONS.
IT DOES NOT CHANGE UNDERLYING BASED ON, UH, DISTRICT, UM, OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
AND IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PROPERTY OWNER TO REHABILITATE, UH, THEIR EXISTING STRUCTURES TO CONFORM WITH THE STANDARDS, AND IT DOES NOT PREVENT DEMOLITION OF EXISTING STRUCTURES.
AND, UH, INEVITABLY THERE WILL BE MAYBE FEW, UM, UH, STRUCTURES PROBABLY WILL BE, UH, NON-CONFORMING TO THIS PROPOSED, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS OR REGULATION.
UH, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE TASK FORCE AND, AND THE STAFF, WE DID EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO AVOID THIS.
BUT IT'S SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO, UH, INCLUDE EVERY PROPERTY TO, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN STANDARD AND, UM, IN TERMS OF THEIR CHARACTERS, OF COURSE.
AND, UM, WHAT NONCONFORMING IS, IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE APPLICABLE, YOU KNOW, DIS DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS.
UH, IT CAN BE STILL OCCUPIED, IT CAN BE MAINTAINED, BUT IT CANNOT BE ENLARGED OR EXTENDED UNLESS IT MEETS THE REGULATIONS.
AND, UM, THEY HAVE DEFINITELY A RIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN IT.
BUT THAT RIGHT WILL SEIZE OR GO AWAY, UM, WHEN IT'S DAMAGED AND, AND COST OF REPAIRS EXCEED 50% OF THE REPLACEMENT COST EXCLUDING THE LAND.
UH, WE HAVE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AND YOU, YOU'RE SEEING THE, UH, INVITATION IN A LETTER.
OF COURSE, IT'S ENG ENGLISH AND SPANISH.
AND, UM, WE'RE BASICALLY DURING THIS MEETING, THESE ARE TWO IDENTICAL MEETINGS.
SO WE DID NOT, YOU KNOW, SHOW ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT AND, UM, UH, BASICALLY, UH, SHOW OR PRESENTED THOSE PROPOSED STANDARDS TO THE, UH, PARTICIPANTS
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TO THESE MEETINGS.SO THERE, AT THIS POINT IT GOES INTO, YOU KNOW, DETAILS, BUT WE, WE RECEIVED SOME, UH, INPUT, UH, FROM THOSE MEETINGS FROM THE, UH, CITIZENS OR RESIDENTS, AND WE INCORPORATED THEM, UH, TO THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A SLIDE AT THE END, UH, ABOUT THAT ONE.
SO BASICALLY, UM, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE PROPOSED DESIGN STANDARDS IS, IS THE, UH, SIZE OF LOTS OR THE WIDTH OF THE LOTS.
SO IT JUST LIMITS FROM, YOU KNOW, 50 TO 75 MINIMUM MAXIMUM, BUT THERE ARE ALREADY EXISTING 25, UH, WIDE, YOU KNOW, LOTS IN THE, IN THE AREA, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE RECOGNIZE THEM.
AND FOR THE, UH, BUILDING MASSING, UM, UH, THIS PROPOSED REGULATIONS, UM, THEY, THEY REQUIRE, UH, MULTIFAMILY THREE AND ABOVE NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, SHALL BE IN THE ONE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE.
AND, UM, BUT IF, IF THE SITE IS LARGER THAN, YOU KNOW, ONE ACRE, THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL BE EXEMPT FROM THIS, YOU KNOW, REGULATION.
AND FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT, IT, UH, LIMITS THE TWO AND A HALF STORIES OR 35 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND, UM, AND REGARDLESS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING DISTRICT, FOR SOME ZONING DISTRICTS, THEY DO LIMIT, BUT FOR THIS ONE, UM, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, MF 33 TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY, UH, IN THE U D C, THEY, THEY HAVE HIGHER, UH, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT, BUT A C D WILL LIMIT THEM TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES, 35 FEET.
UH, FOR, UM, IF, IF THE LOT IS, UH, THAT 25 FOOT WIDE, THEN UH, THEY WILL BE LIMITED TO ONLY ONE AND A HALF STORY AND 15 FEET BUILDING HEIGHT.
UH, FOR THE FRONT SETBACKS, UH, BASICALLY WHAT THIS SAYS HERE IS, UH, IF THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT ON, ON, ON A BLOCK, SO WE BASICALLY, WE WANT, WE'LL ALLOW THE NEW DEVELOPMENT TO BE WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE MEDIAN, YOU KNOW, SETBACK OF THE BLOCK FACE.
SO ALL THE BLOCK FACE, UM, EXISTING, UH, SETBACKS, THEY, THEY BECOME IMPORTANT.
AND THERE'S ALREADY, THEY ARE IN A DOCUMENT BECAUSE A COUPLE OF VOLUNTEERS, THEY WENT OUT THERE MEASURED ALL THE EXISTING, UH, SETBACKS FOR EACH BUILDING ON EACH, UH, BLOCK PAGE.
ANOTHER ITEM IS ABOUT THE, UH, PROPOSED ELEVATION.
SO BASICALLY THIS N C D WILL REQUIRE FOR HOUSES TO HAVE A TRANSITION SPACE AT THE ENTRANCE.
AND, UM, AND THIS TRANSITION SPACE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, PORTRAITS OR STOOPS OR ALL CARS OF PORT OR NOOK, UH, TYPE OF BASICALLY, UH, SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ARTICULATION OR DEFINITION IN THE, AT THE ENTRANCE WILL BE REQUIRED, BUT IT, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY PARTICULAR SIZE.
SO CUT FOR CURB CUTS AND CURB, CURB CUTS AND DRIVEWAYS, UH, BASICALLY IT WILL LIMIT TO JUST ONLY ONE PER HOUSE.
AND, UH, CURB CUT WILL BE 15 FEET WIDE, AND THEN DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE 20 FEET WIDE MAXIMUM.
AND, UH, BUT THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, UH, DRIVEWAYS CAN BE, YOU KNOW, REPAIRED AND MAINTAINED.
AND, UM, SO E EVEN IF THEY'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, NONCONFORMING AND, UM, AND IT WILL BE ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IT WILL GO TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, BUT IF IT'S 25 FEET LONG, THEN THEY WILL BE EXEMPTED FROM, UH, FROM THIS REQUIREMENT.
NEXT ONE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, ACCESSOR DWELLING UNITS, ACCESSOR STRUCTURES AND DWELLING UNITS.
SO TYPICALLY IF IT'S LESS THAN 300 SQUARE FEET STRUCTURE, THEN IT'S NOT, IT'S EXEMPT AND IT DOES NOT REQUIRE PERMIT.
AND, AND IF, IF IT IS MORE THAN THAT, THEN UH, IT CANNOT BE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
IT, IT HAS TO BE IN THE REAR YARD.
AND, UM, IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, IT CAN GO UP, UM, SAME HEIGHT AS THE, AS THE MAIN HOUSE, OR 25 FEET IN A MAXIMUM IF MAIN HOUSE IS TALLER THAN 25 FEET.
THE NEXT ONE, PURPOSE, GARAGES AND CARPORTS, UH, ATTACHED GARAGE ARE ALLOWED, UH, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED UNDER ANY LIVING SPACE.
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BASICALLY THEY NEED TO BE JUST KIND OF, THERE HAS TO BE ROOF RIGHT ABOVE THE GARAGE.AND, UH, DETACHED GARAGES, UH, HAS TO BE AT THE REAR AND, AND AGAIN, IN EXISTING GARAGES CAN BE, YOU KNOW, REPAIRED AND MAINTAINED.
AND FOR THE CARPORTS, UH, THEY SHOULD BE, UH, LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
NEXT ONE, UH, FOR THE FENCES, UH, IT, IT IS, UM, UH, THREE FEET SOLID IN THE, IN THE FRONT AND FIVE FEET.
UM, IF IT'S PREDO, PREDOMINANTLY OPEN AND, UH, NO, LIKE CHICKEN WIRE TYPE OF BARBED WIRE OR CINDER BLOCK TYPE OF MATERIALS BE ALLOWED IN SIDE AND REAR WILL BE SIX FEET MAXIMUM.
BUT IF THEY'RE ABUTTING TO ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL OR, UM, ANY KIND OF LIKE ARTERIAL TYPE OF OR, OR EVEN, UM, ALLEY, THEN WE DO A LOT, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TO EIGHT FEET FOR THE CORNER LOT, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT AND THE SIDE HAS TO MATCH IN TERMS OF MATERIALS AND PROPORTION.
AND, UH, THIS IS THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED THAT YOU SEE THAT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF TWO COLUMNS WITH BLACK HEADER.
UH, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE, UH, TASK FORCE MEETINGS, AND THEY WERE CONSTANTLY IN A CHANGE BASED ON THE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT RED HEADER THAT IS THE, UH, ITEMS THAT WE RECEIVED IN TERMS OF INPUT, AND WE INCORPORATED THEM TO THE, UM, TO THE DOCUMENT IS THE ONES THAT WE SEE FIT.
SO THE DOCUMENT HAS CHANGED SLIGHTLY AFTER, AFTER THOSE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AT THIS, UH, TIMELINE, UM, AGAIN, UM, FEBRUARY THREE AND FOURTH COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
APRIL SIX IS ZONING COMMISSION TODAY AND TENTATIVELY WE ARE SCHEDULING FOR MAY 6TH CITY COUNCIL.
AND, UH, TOTAL OF 264 NOTICES MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE N C D AREA PLUS 200 FEET, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, NOTIFICATION AREA.
AND, UM, I RECEIVED FIVE IN A POSITION, 11 IN FAVOR FROM PROPERTY OWNERS, AND ALSO I RECEIVED ADDITIONAL LETTER FROM MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN FAVOR.
THAT BASICALLY CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
I JUST WANNA LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT DURING THE ACTUAL MEETING, THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND SOME OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS WILL BE JOINING TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION.
AND SO IT, I WILL KICK IT OFF AND THEN WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE TASK FORCE, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE IT OVER AGAIN JUST TO GO OVER THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE WILL CLOSE AND HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS TO BOTH THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS AND TO STAFF.
SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE HEARD SO FAR? THANK YOU, MS. FLORES.
AND, UM, I JUST DO WANNA REMIND COMMISSIONERS THAT THE TIME FOR DELIBERATION IS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UH, PLEASE LIMIT ANY QUESTIONS TO THIS PRESENTATION AND DO NOT, UH, ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT IMPLICATE DELIBERATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UH, THANK YOU.
UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF, BECAUSE I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BACK UNDER GARAGES.
IF YOU COULD PULL THAT SLIDE, PLEASE.
CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR, DOES WHAT DOES UNDER GARAGES NOT ALLOWED UNDER ANY LIVING SPACE? SO ARE, I GUESS, TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS THAT THEIR PREFERENCE IS THAT THE, THERE NOT BE A LIVING U UM, A GARAGE ALLOWED UNDERNEATH A LIVING SPACE.
SO LET'S SAY THE SECOND STORY HAS A GAME ROOM THAT, THAT PARTICULAR HOME WOULD NOT HAVE A GARAGE UNDER IT.
THE, THE BOTTOM UNIT WOULD ALSO BE DEDICATED TO LIVING SPACE OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF LIVING SPACE.
SO IF THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, APARTMENT GARAGE TODAY, AND WITH THAT OLDER SECTION, I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF THEM OVER, OVER THERE STILL.
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NOT ALLOWED TO RENT OUT THE UPPER UNIT ANYMORE, THAT IT CAN NO LONGER BE OCCUPIED IF THEY'RE GONNA USE THE BOTTOM PART AS AN ACTUAL GARAGE? NO, THIS WOULD ONLY BE FOR NEW UNIT, UH, OR NEW CONSTRUCTION.SO AS JOHN MENTIONED, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR PROPERTIES THAT ARE VACANT OVER THERE, BUT EVEN IF THEY DID HAVE TO TO REBUILD, AS LONG AS THAT MET THE NON-CONFORMING STANDARDS AS AS LONG AS THEY COULD, THEY COULD KEEP THAT.
UH, AND THEN AS FAR AS RENTING THE SPACE, THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, BUT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR RENTAL PERMIT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO RENT THEIR UNIT IF THEY NEED TO.
UH, SO THIS IS ONLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE GOAL WAS TO KEEP THERE FROM BEING VERY THIN, NARROW STRUCTURES WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO FIT ALL OF THE FRONT ENTRY AND THE GARAGE AND THE EVERYTHING INTO THE VERY FRONT OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S SO NARROW.
AND SO THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THESE TOWERING STRUCTURES, WHICH WAS THE REASON FOR, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS IN THEIR PROPOSAL AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, THAT ALL KIND OF GOES TOGETHER WITH THE ENTIRE IDEA OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, WHICH WAS TO LIMIT THESE VERY TALL, NARROW BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUT OF PLACE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND, AND I GET THAT UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION, I, I'M, I'M MORE WANTING TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND EXISTING TODAY.
AND SO IF THAT UPPER APARTMENT UNIT NEEDED RENOVATION AND THE LOWER, UH, PORTION OF THAT IS AN ACTUAL GARAGE IN TODAY'S TERMS, AND AT SOME POINT THE HOMEOWNER NEEDS TO UPDATE THAT, UH, APARTMENT UNIT, DOES THE 50% COME INTO PLAY WHERE IF IT'S MORE THAN 50% OF RENOVATION, UH, COSTS THAT IT KICKS IT OUT OF NONCONFORMING, OR I JUST WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT YOUR, YOUR ASSESSMENT IS CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IF IT, IT EXCEEDS THAT 50%, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING ANYMORE, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONFORM.
BUT IF IT'S STAYING AS IS AND THERE'S NO ISSUE AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND THERE CAN BE MINOR RE RENOVATION AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HIT THAT THRESHOLD.
TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT THOUGH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 50%, UH, THAT'S EXCLUDING LAND, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND NOW FOR, SAY EXAMPLE, THIS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, LET'S CALL IT, UM, IS THAT, IS THE 50% ONLY FOR THAT STRUCTURE OR IS IT FOR THE ENTIRE BUILT PROPERTY? UH, YEAH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE CLARIFICATION HERE.
I MEAN THE, THE GARAGES THAT WE REFERRED TO EARLIER FOR THE, FOR THE MAIN HOUSE, IF YOU ARE, LET'S SAY DETACHED GARAGE BACK THERE AND THERE'S AN APARTMENT ON TOP OF IT, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
THIS, THE GARAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, ITEM THAT YOU SAW EARLIER WAS FOR THE, FOR THE MAIN HOUSE NOT TO HAVE, UM, GARAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN THERE'S AN, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE OR, UM, I MEAN APARTMENT LIVING UNIT OR LIVING SPACE ON, ON TOP OF THE GARAGE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A DISTINCTION.
SO BASICALLY, UM, FOR THE ATTACH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE GARAGES THAT ARE PART OF THE MAIN HOUSE, THAT'S WHAT IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THERE'S A PRIMARY STRUCTURE MM-HMM.
AND SO THE, IF THERE'S A DETACHED GARAGE IN THE REAR AS, AS THEY'RE PROPOSING, AS IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO, THAT ARE ALLOWED FOR THE N C D IF IT HAS A LIVING UNIT ABOVE IT, THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS, UH, RESTRICTION OR, OR GUIDELINE IS FOR.
THIS IS ONLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF GARAGES, UM, ON NEW STRUCTURES THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
I THINK THAT SUBSUMES MY QUESTION AS WELL.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PRESENTATION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, JUST REALLY QUICK, THERE WERE 187 PROPERTIES, SO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED? YES, MA'AM.
YOU SENT OUT 264, SO, RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE NOTIFICATION WITHIN THE 200 FEET AS WELL AS THE NOTIFICATION AREA OF 200 FEET.
SO THEN THAT'S GONNA EXTEND JUST A BIT TO EXTEND THE BOUNDARY A A BIT.
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IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS 180, 70 OTHERS ARE THE PERIMETER OF THAT 200 FOOT BOUNDARY.SO FROM THAT NOTICE FIVE WERE IN OPPOSITION AND 11 WERE IN FAVOR.
OUT OF THE 264 NOTICES? CORRECT.
OUT OF THAT 187 PROPERTY OWNERS, HOW MANY ARE IN FAVOR? DO YOU KNOW THAT? WE DUNNO, THE ONLY ONES WE WOULD KNOW ARE THE ONES WHO SUBMITTED A RESPONSE FORM, WHICH ARE THOSE 11 THAT SUBMITTED THAT ARE WITHIN THE 200 FEET.
SO IN, SO WE'RE BASING THIS OFF OF A PETITION THAT WAS GENERATED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REQUEST THIS, BUT THEN ONLY 11 ARE IN FAVOR.
SO WAS THE PETITION ONLY 11? NO, THE PETITION EQUALED 51% ACTUALLY, OR MORE OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WERE INTERESTED IN CREATING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
SO THEN WHEN, WHEN THEY, THAT NOTICE THAT WENT OUT, DID IT EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS OR IT WAS JUST YOUR GENERAL ZONING NOTICE? THE, NO, THE NOTICE EXPLAINED EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE PROCESS, AND THEN IT ALSO LINKED TO THE WEBSITE FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF ANYONE NEEDED IT.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS TO PLAY FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WANNA GIVE THEIR INPUT TODAY AS WELL FOR THE ACTUAL PUBLIC.
I MEAN, HOW DO I KNOW IF THEY'RE THE 11 IN FAVOR? I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING 264 NOTICES AND ONLY 11 ARE IN FAVOR WHEN IF YOU'RE TELLING ME 51%, BUT THEY DIDN'T REPLY IN FAVOR, SO MAYBE AFTER THE PROCESS THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND.
I THINK WE'RE NOW STARTING TO SHADE INTO DELIBERATION, UH, DELIBERATION.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW DID THEY GET TO THIS POINT IF THERE'S 187.
DID THE CITY REQUIRE 51% OUT OF THE HUNDRED 87? HI, CHAIR KAT.
LET GO AHEAD AND CHIME IN HERE.
SO, TO INITIATE THE PROCESS, UH, THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BE MET IN ORDER TO QUALIFY TO APPLY FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, THE 51%, UH, IN SUPPORT HELPED IN THAT MEETING, THAT CRITERIA.
AND WHAT THAT DID WAS THAT STARTED, UH, THE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL OFFICE TO CREATE A RESOLUTION, WHICH WAS SUPPORTED BY ALL OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS TO START THIS PROCESS.
WHEN THIS PROCESS STARTED, WE CONVENED A TASK FORCE AND MET OVER A SERIES OF NINE MEETINGS, UM, WITH A PAUSE WITH THE PANDEMIC WHEN THAT FIRST STARTED, AND, AND COMPLETED, UH, THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS AND THEN STARTED THE COMMUNITY MEETING PROCESS.
THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, PROPERTY OWNERS WERE INFORMED THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND INPUT WAS ALWAYS ALLOWED DURING THIS PROCESS SINCE WE HAD A FACEBOOK, OR I'M SORRY, WE HAD A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE TASK FORCE.
SO THERE WAS ALWAYS COMMUNICATION WITH THOSE THAT SIGNED A PETITION AND THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE SIGNED THE PETITION.
SO WHEN WE STARTED OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESS, WE SENT OUT ALL OF THE NOTICES TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO SUBMIT SOMETHING BACK TO US.
WE HAVE ON RECORD FOR TODAY, UP TO 11, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR.
I WOULD, I WOULD SURMISE TO SAY THAT MOST OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA TO BE REZONED FOR THE N C D.
WE ALSO HAVE IN FAVOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH AGAIN, HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS, THE RESIDENTS, UM, IN ORDER TO GARNER THEIR, THE SUPPORT.
AND THEY ALSO DID A LOT OF BLOCK WALKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THEIR NEIGHBORS IN SUPPORT.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE VOICEMAILS IF THEY SO WISH TO IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
SO AGAIN, JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER ZONING CASE, THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A LOT OF, UM, MAILED IN OR EMAILED IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR A CASE.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS, IS A, UH, ABNORMALLY A, UH, A LOT OF NOTICES OPPOSED TO THIS N C D.
AGAIN, WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEIR RESIDENTS TO GARNER THEIR SUPPORT.
SO IN THE REGULAR SESSION, WE WILL HAVE THREE
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OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS THAT ARE LEADS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GROUP THAT WILL BE PART OF THIS PRESENTATION AND PRESENTING THIS WELL, THEY PRESENT THE PROCESS ABOUT HOW THEY GARNERED THAT SUPPORT, AND THEN WE WILL PRESENT THE, UH, TECHNICAL DETAILS OF THE N C D AND THEN HAND IT BACK TO THEM, UH, FOR, UH, THEIR CLOSING STATEMENT.SO AGAIN, THIS WAS A VERY INCLUSIVE PROCESS AND THEY WILL GET, THEY WILL GO INTO THOSE DETAILS AS WELL.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT IT WAS AN INCLUSIVE PROCESS.
SO AT THE 51% PETITION, WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT? THAT THE C C R WAS CREATED? MARCH 15, IN JANUARY, 2019, THE C C R WAS RECEIVED.
UM, IT WAS PRIOR TO THAT, UH, JANUARY AND LATE DECEMBER WHEN, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND AGAIN, THEY'LL PROBABLY GO INTO THOSE, UH, DETAILS DURING THEIR PRESENTATION OF HOW THEY STARTED, UH, WITH THE PETITION AND THE PROCESS, UH, TO HEAR THE VOICES OF THE RESIDENTS IN ORDER TO START THIS PROCESS.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO BACK? I THINK TO COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE.
COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.
UM, KAT, UH, IF I COULD GET A CLARIFICATION NOW THAT I SEE THAT MAP AGAIN, UM, IT REMINDED ME OF THE QUESTION.
DOES THAT, THAT MAP OF THOSE PROPERTIES, IS THAT THE COMPLETE, UH, AREA CONSIDERED UNDER MONTE VISTA TERRACE? SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE BOUNDARIES? CORRECT.
I, OKAY, JUST A CLARIFICATION FOR MY EDIFICATION HERE.
THE MULTIFAMILY THREE PLUS UNITS SHALL BE IN ONE STRUCTURE.
SO WERE THERE ANY UNITS THAT ARE ALREADY NON-CONFORMING WHERE THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, TWO UNITS, UH, TWO, TWO STRUCTURES WITH TWO UNITS IN THEM? HOW MANY ARE NON-CONFORMING TODAY? OR IS THIS JUST FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION GOING FORWARD? I, I BELIEVE THAT, AS I RECALL IN OUR REVIEW OF THIS AREA, THERE IS AN AREA WITHIN MONTE VISTA THAT HAS TWO LARGE STRUCTURES ALREADY AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE IDEA TO HAVE THE LIMITATION CAME FROM.
AND SO THEY WOULD NOT BE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
THEY ACTUALLY CONFORMED TO THE RULE AND THEY CREATED THE RULE BASED ON THAT TO MAKE THEM CONFORMING.
NO, THERE WAS, THERE'S NO STANDARD AT THIS, AT THIS TIME THAT THE, IT, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO MAKE THEM CONFORMING, IT WAS JUST THAT THEY SAID, HEY, LOOK, WE'VE GOT STRUCTURES HERE THAT ALREADY HAVE THREE OR FOUR UNITS.
WE WANNA STAY CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
SO THEY CREATED A RULE FOR OTHERS WHO COME IN THE FUTURE TO FOLLOW THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PRESENTATION? SEEING NONE, UH, THANK YOU MR. OLSTON AND MS. JURES STAFF.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE FOR TODAY'S WORK SESSION? NO, SIR.
YOU CAN GO TO YOUR REGULAR ITEM SUMMARY NOW IF YOU'D LIKE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT OUR AGENDA AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE COMING FORWARD TODAY.
UM, AND STAFF, BEFORE WE TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, I MENTIONED I THINK THAT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS SUBJECT TO REFUSAL FROM COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
SO IF WE COULD MOVE THAT TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY AGENDA ITEM ITEM, UH, COMMISSIONER OAL, UH, ITEMS 14 AND 15? UH, I WOULD, I WOULD, AND THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THOSE, IF YOU WANNA PUT THOSE ON A
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SEPARATE AGENDA.THEY'LL BE ASKING FOR A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE FOR ITEM NUMBER 14 AND 15.
UM, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING ITEMS? THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY ITEM? UH, YES.
COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES, I'D LIKE TO, UH, PULL, UM, UH, 13 PLEASANTON, UM, PLEASANTON DOWN TO PLEASE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? COMMISSIONER MCGEE? NO, THANK YOU.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? QUESTIONS REGARDING RESPONSES? UH, COMMISSIONER KATH? UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE? UH, I HAVE SUBMITTED, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, A RECUSAL, SO, UH, DO I NEED TO, I DON'T, I'M, I DON'T PLAN ON SUBMITTING ANOTHER ONE.
IT'S A WITHDRAWAL, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I NEED TO RECUSE ON THAT ONE.
IT'S NOT BEING CONSIDERED AT ALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ITEMS TO BE PULLED ALL IN ONE, MR. CHAIR? YES, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS CHRISTIE.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, ON INDIVIDUAL WE DID PLACE ITEM, THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND WE WILL HAVE MEMBERS OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION TASK FORCE.
SO WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT ITEM FIRST AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX IS SAS.
AND SO WE WILL ALSO HAVE MIKE ESCALANTE AND MIKE BAR ON STANDBY FOR THAT ONE AS WELL.
AND, UH, GIVEN SOME SCHEDULING ISSUES FOR COMMISSIONERS, I DO WANNA TAKE 21ST.
SO WE WILL TAKE THAT FIRST GIVEN, UH, THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION AS WELL AS CONSIDERATION OF COMMISSIONER'S TIME AND SCHEDULE.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER JONES? UH, YES.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY VOICEMAILS IT IS ON NUMBER NINE? WE WILL CHECK THAT FOR YOU, MA'AM.
AND THEN I JUST AS JUSTIN IS CHECKING THAT FOR US, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
YOU WERE GIVE, YOU WERE SENT THE MATERIALS EARLIER THIS MORNING.
THAT ITEM IS NOW ELIGIBLE FOR CONSENT AND WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WANTED TO PROCEED THERE WITH THAT ONE.
UM, WE SENT THE MAP AND THE SITE PLAN AS WELL AS THE STAFF REPORT.
WOULD ANY COMMISSIONER LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FIVE? SEEING NONE.
ALRIGHT, ONCE WE GET THE ANSWER TO, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES INQUIRY, WE WILL, UH, STAND IN RECESS TO STAND IN RECESS TILL ONE, BUT WE ARE WAITING FOR THAT ANSWER.
AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I LOVED YOUR USE OF EDIFICATION, MR. CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER JONES, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO.
WE WILL NOW STAND IN RECESS TILL APPROXIMATELY 1:00 PM WHEN WE WILL BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, PLEASE ARRIVE A FEW MINUTES EARLY.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMANTE AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER.
I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION.
IT IS ONE O'CLOCK ON APRIL 6TH.
CAN WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING, PLEASE,
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MR. CHAIR, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING WITH US, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.UH, STAFF, IF YOU COULD PLEASE CONDUCT
[Roll Call]
THE ROLL CALL.COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL HERE, PRO TEM GREATHOUSE.
PRIOR TO STARTING WITH THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT.
STAFF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PROCEED TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID-19.
THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEETINGS BY A VIDEO CONFERENCE.
THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE GOV TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW SAN ANTONIO.GOV/GSD WHEREBY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY TO 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES.
THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING.
STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD FOR ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT, STAFF WILL SAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL.
LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALL BACK, WE WILL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENT.
SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED.
THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION.
QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU.
STEPH, IF YOU'D PLEASE REVIEW THE CURRENT LIST OF CONSENT, COMBINED, INDIVIDUAL, AND ANY POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS WITHDRAWN.
AND ITEM NUMBER TWO AND THREE HAVE BEEN POSTPONED.
AND FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE THE FOLLOWING ITEM, 4, 5, 10, 11, 16, 17, AND 19.
FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE ITEMS NUMBER 7, 12, 14, 15, AND EIGHT.
AND LASTLY, FOR INDIVIDUAL HEARING, WE HAVE ITEMS NUMBER 26 9.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO PULL ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS? SEEING AND HEARING NONE, UH, STAFF, WOULD
[Items 4, 5, 10, 11, 16, 17 & 19]
YOU PLEASE READ THE REMAINING CONSENT ITEMS INTO THE RECORD? ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I DZ WITH USE PERMITTED IN C2 TO IDZ.TWO WITH USES PERMITTED IN C2 AND FOR A TATTOO PARLOR SLASH STUDIO.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1913 SOUTH FLORES STREET.
NOTICES WERE MAIL ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
COLLINS GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN NON OPPOSITION.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM NT 15 TO MXD OVERLAY REMAINING THE SAME.
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1 4 8 5 WATSON ROAD AND 1 4 9 7 WATSON ROAD.NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, THERE WAS ALSO ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM DR AND D R A H O D TO R FOUR AND R FOUR A H O D LOCATED AT 1 0 8 9 1 SOUTHTON ROAD.
ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO C TWO.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
IT'S A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE AND C TWO TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED IN MF 50 MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 36 23 EAST COMMERCE STREET.
11 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION.
AND THERE IS, THERE IS NO RESPONSE FROM JEFFERSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE AND C THREE A H O D TO MS 33 AND MS 33 A H O D.
ALL OTHER OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 14,000 BLOCK OF VINCE JACKSON ROAD.
ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS TO RM FIVE.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME AND TO R SIX CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS.
AGAIN, ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
29 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR.
TWO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND LASTLY, ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R 20 GATEWAY CORRIDOR AND R 20 TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE OR A CABINET SHOP AND C TWO GATEWAY CORRIDOR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CABINET SHOP.
ALL OTHER OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 2 0 2 8 0.
CARRIE LOUISE STREET, SEVEN NOTICES WERE MAILED.
ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? UM, I'M A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS 4, 5, 10, 11, 16, 17, AND 19.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND JONES.
THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, UH, BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
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COULD MOVE ON TO OUR COMBINED HEARING.ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO R THREE OVERLAY REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT TWO 20 ANNIE STREET.
NOTICES WERE ZERO, WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR.
THREE WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
AND THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE
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FROM DR.A H O D AND DR TO R FOUR A H O D AND R FOUR LOCATED AT 1 1 4 1 8 BLUE WING ROAD, 21.
NOTICES WERE MAIL ZERO, WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO RESPONSE FROM SOUTH SOUTHTON COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BOTH ITEMS NUMBER SEVEN AND 12, WERE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TO FIVE FOUR, WHICH WOULD BE IN FOUR WEEKS.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR CONTINUANCE? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? I MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE ITEMS SEVEN AND 12 TO THE MAY 4TH ZONING COMMISSION HEARING.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCDANIEL.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO CONTINUE ITEM SEVEN AND 12 TO THE MAY 4TH HEARING.
SECONDED BY BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
MOTION PASSES FOR ITEM SEVEN AND 12 FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MAY THE FOURTH.
UH, ARE WE GOING NEXT TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT? YES SIR, WE CAN.
UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAS RECUSED HERSELF AND TURNED ON OFF HER MICROPHONE.
SO SHE WILL NOT BE PARTICIPATING IN THIS CONSIDERATION OF ITEM EIGHT STAFF.
IF YOU WOULD READ INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO MF 18.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED IN THE 300 BLOCK OF WEST LOOP 1604.
THERE WERE FOUR NOTICES MAILED ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? YES, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER KAMATH.
UH, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER KAMATH.
UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER KAMATH FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
I THOUGHT I SAW COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL HAVE A COMMENT AT THE LAST MINUTE, BUT SHE DID NOT.
UH, IF COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE COULD RETURN PLEASE AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAS REJOINED US STAFF.
IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TWO ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, PLEASE.
ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C2 CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A DANCE HALL WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT C THREE C TWO, I'M SORRY.
AND MF 50 TO MF 50 AND MF 50 GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
ALL OTHER OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 5,000 BLOCK OF U T S A BOULEVARD 13 NOTICES WERE MAILED.
ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO
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REZONE FROM C THREE C TWO AND C THREE URBAN CORRIDOR, AS WELL AS MF 50 TO MF 33 AND MF 33 URBAN CORRIDOR.ALL OTHER OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 14,000 BLOCK OF VANCE JACKSON ROAD.
ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MR. CHAIR.
AND THESE ITEMS WERE SEEKING A CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? I MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEMS 14 AND 15 TO BOTH BE CONTINUED TO THE APRIL 20TH AGENDA.
THERE IS A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL FOR CONTINUANCE TO APRIL 20TH.
IF WE COULD CONTINUE NOW WITH ITEM NUMBER 20.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS ITEM OUT OF ORDER IN LIGHT OF SOME SCHEDULING ISSUES FOR COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS, UM, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, SO IF WE COULD, UH, IF WE COULD BEGIN WITH
[20. 21-2406 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700055 (Council District 1)]
ITEM 20 IN OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING.THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSION.
THE FOLLOWING PRESENTATION IS FOR MONTE VISTA TERRACE, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
THIS WOULD BE THE 10TH CONSERVATION DISTRICT WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MS. SHARON GARCIA, AND SHE IS GOING TO GIVE THE OPENING COMMENTS FOR THE TASK FORCE.
UH, MY NAME'S SHARON GARCIA AND I LIVE AT 3 1 2 WEST NORWOOD COURT IN MONTE VISTA TERRACE.
I'VE BEEN A HOMEOWNER FOR ABOUT 13 YEARS, AND I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE.
ARE WE GOING TO BE DOING THE PRESENTATION NOW FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US PRESENT.
UH, SO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED, UH, JUST NORTH OF HILDEBRAND WITH MCCULLOUGH AND SAN PEDRO AS ITS BORDERS, UH, IS A PRETTY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE HAVE A VARIETY OF SINGLE AND MULTIPLE FAMILY HOUSING WITH ARCHITECTURAL STYLES REFLECTING THE HISTORY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF EARLY SAN ANTONIO AT THE EDGE OF THE CITY LIMITS AT THE TIME.
NEXT, HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FIRST HOMES BUILT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE FROM, UH, THE EARLY 1920S.
AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S A NEGLECTED MIX OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES SUCH AS CRAFTSMAN, TUDOR REVIVAL, AND MINIMAL TRADITIONAL.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL AREA, THIS IS THE PROPOSED AREA FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
AGAIN, WE ARE ONE OF THE SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS.
NEXT, I WANTED TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON WHY WE EVEN CHOSE TO PURSUE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
IT ACTUALLY ALL BEGAN WHEN WE HAD A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT
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FOR A DEVELOP FOR A FOUR, FOUR STORY CONDO PROJECT THAT WAS PLANNED FOR THREE 11 WEST NORWOOD.UM, WE ACTUALLY DID GO TO THE, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IN OPPOSITION.
YOU CAN SEE ON NORWOOD FACING NORTH WHAT THE SCALE OF THAT, JUST ONE OF THOSE CONDOS WOULD'VE BEEN COMPARED TO THE ONE IN TWO STORY HOMES THAT ARE, UH, BASICALLY THE REST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN YOU SEE FROM BELMONT PLACE JUST HOW OUT OF PLACE THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WOULD'VE BEEN WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR STREET SCAPE.
UM, THERE IN THE CORNER IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WAS, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, AND THIS IS A BIG PART OF THE REASON WHY WE DECIDED TO PURSUE THE N C D BEACON HILL DEALT WITH THE SAME DEVELOPERS.
THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE IS A THREE STORY.
OURS WOULD'VE BEEN FOUR STORY.
THIS IS A THREE STORY DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY DID, UH, COME TO FRUITION.
AND YOU CAN SEE JUST THE DISPARITY IN THE SCALE AND, UM, JUST HOW IT DOES NOT REALLY GO TOGETHER WITH THE TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE THAT WAS SO PREDOMINANT IN BEACON HILL.
UH, NEXT, THAT SHOWS YOU THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN BEACON HILL FROM THE STREET VIEW.
NEXT, THIS SAME DEVELOPER ALSO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ON SIX 15 FULTON AVENUE IN ALTA VISTA.
UM, AGAIN, SO THIS IS WHY WE, WE REALLY DID OUR RESEARCH AND OUR BACKGROUND, UH, WORK.
YOU CAN SEE THIS WAS GOING TO BE A VERY SIMILAR, UM, DEVELOPMENT STRUCTURE.
THIS ONE, AGAIN, IS ONLY THREE STORIES.
YOU SEE HOW THE GARAGE THAT WAS BUILT, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN BIG ENOUGH TO FIT A CAR EASILY SO THAT CAR'S NOT EVEN IN THE GARAGE.
UM, SO A LOT OF THESE WERE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WERE ALLOWED UNDER THE U D C AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS.
UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY, UH, NOT IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTER ARCHITECTURE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE NOT ACTUALLY PARKING IN THE GARAGES AND THEREFORE ADDING TO STREET PARKING.
UM, NEXT, SO OUR PROCESS REALLY BEGAN IN 2018, UM, WHEN WE INITIATED A PETITION AND WE DID EXTENSIVE OUTREACH TO ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, EVEN THOSE LIVING OUTSIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE BEGAN, UH, AT OUR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IN 2018 WITH A TABLE WITH A PETITION.
UM, WE HAD ABOUT 75 PEOPLE COME OUT FOR THAT EVENT, OUR VERY BIG NEIGHBORHOOD EVENT.
UM, IT, THE PETITION WAS ALSO EXPLAINED AND AVAILABLE AT THREE OF OUR MONTHLY NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, WHICH WE USED TO HOLD AT HE B'S COMMUNITY ROOM.
WE ALSO DID DOOR-TO-DOOR OUTREACH ON EACH BLOCK WITH THE PETITION AND A VOLUNTEER WHO WAS, UM, KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHAT AN N C D IS TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO THE VARIOUS RESIDENTS AND HOMEOWNERS, UM, WHAT IT IS WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
WE HAD ONGOING COMMUNICATION AND UPDATES ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT VIA MONTHLY EMAILS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGE.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION, OUR MONTHLY NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
I DID SEND ALL OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT AS WELL AS LINKS TO ALL OF OUR COMMUNICATION CHANNELS.
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 187 RESIDENCES IN MONTE VISTA TERRACE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE FULL INCLUSION AND TRANSPARENCY AMONG ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
EVERYONE RECEIVED ONE OR MORE NOTICES ALSO, UH, IN THE MAIL.
SO THESE ARE JUST TWO PAGES OF OUR PETITION, UM, WHERE I'VE KIND OF BLURRED OUT THE NAMES.
UM, WE RECEIVED 101 SIGNATURES, UH, WELL OVER 51% OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THESE SIGNATURES, PEOPLE REALLY, REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT.
WE, THEY DIDN'T JUST SIGN AWAY AT IT.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN AT THE WORK SESSION THAT ONLY 11 PEOPLE HAD RESPONDED TO THE ZONING CASE SIGNS AND NOTIFICATIONS.
IN MY EXPERIENCE, WE'RE LUCKY IF, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE BUSY.
UH, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO ALREADY THOUGHT THAT THIS
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HAD PASSED THROUGH BECAUSE THEY SIGNED OFF ON THIS LIKE TWO YEARS AGO.SO I WOULD JUST SAY THIS, UM, HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.
UNLESS SOMEBODY IS REALLY OPPOSED TO SOMETHING, CHANCES ARE THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, YOU GUYS CAN TAKE CARE OF IT.
YOU'RE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR US.
BUT I WAS VERY HAPPY THAT WE EVEN GOT 11 PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE TIME TO, UM, SUBMIT A COMMENT, UH, IN FAVOR.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO A LITTLE BIT OVER THE, UH, EQUITY AND INCLUSION PROCESS.
AND FOR THIS, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO HOLLY REELL, WHO IS ANOTHER TASK FORCE MEMBER.
UM, I WANNA ECHO SHARON'S, THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.
WE'RE, UM, REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO KIND OF PRESENT OUR PROCESS TO YOU, YOU KNOW, FACE-TO-FACE AS IT IS.
UM, SO YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, THE THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO EQUITY AND INCLUSION.
UM, WE, OUR TASK FORCE WAS OPEN.
UM, WE RECRUITED AT OUR TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, UM, VIA EMAILS, UH, VIA OUR FACEBOOK PAGE, WHICH DOES HAVE ABOUT 150 MEMBERS.
UM, AND WE ENDED UP WITH ABOUT TWO FOUR, SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE COUNTED THIS.
UM, ABOUT 12 MEMBERS WHO PARTICIPATED REGULARLY.
UM, WE ALSO HAD, UM, OTHER MEMBERS WHO, YOU KNOW, WHEN A TOPIC, WHEN THEY KNEW THAT A TOPIC WAS BEING DISCUSSED THAT THEY FELT VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT, UH, MIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, JOIN OUR MEETINGS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, AS SHARON MENTIONED, WE JUST, WE DID HAVE WIDESPREAD COMMUNICATION TO OUR RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PROCESS KIND OF DRAGGED OUT.
UM, WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A, ABOUT AN EIGHT MONTH BREAK IN THERE, UM, SORT OF WHEN THINGS SHUT DOWN IN MARCH.
AND I THINK WE STARTED BACK UP AGAIN IN THE FALL, LATE FALL.
UM, SO THE PROCESS DID NOT ACTUALLY, UM, WE WERE NOT ACTIVELY ENGAGED THROUGHOUT, UH, SOME PERIOD OF THAT, OF THAT PROCESS.
UM, BUT WE DID SEND OUT MONTHLY EMAILS WHEN WE WERE ACTIVELY ENGAGED, UM, HAD OUR GROUP FACEBOOK PAGE, UM, UH, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT, THAT SHARON HAS ALREADY MENTIONED.
UM, AND SO WE REALLY DID, I, I PERSONALLY AND THE GROUP AS A WHOLE REALLY FELT STRONGLY ABOUT NOT MAKING THIS SOMETHING THAT, UM, A VERY SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE, UH, WANTED TO IMPOSE ON OTHERS, BUT THAT IT WAS AN INCLUSIVE PROCESS.
UM, CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? SO, UH, SEVERAL ISSUES CAME UP.
I THINK ANYTIME YOU HAVE A TASK FORCE, UM, THERE ARE BOUND TO BE DIVISIVE ISSUES.
AND SO REALLY, UM, WHAT, WHAT OUR GUIDING, WHAT OUR GUIDING STAR WAS, HOW DO WE PUT SOME DESIGN STANDARDS IN PLACE THAT EFFECTIVELY PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE KEEPING IT, UM, AS LEAST RESTRICTIVE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO THERE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN DESIGN FEATURES THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK LOOK REALLY NICE AND OTHERS THAT PEOPLE THINK REALLY DON'T.
AND WE TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE THAT ARE MORE SORT OF JUST, UM, AESTHETICS.
UM, AND FOR THOSE THAT WE WERE INCLUDING IN THE N C D, WE REALLY TRIED TO, UM, GO BACK TO ALWAYS GOING BACK TO OUR GUIDING LIGHT.
WHAT IS THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO ON THINGS LIKE, UM, GARAGES AND CARPORTS, UM, THAT ACTUALLY WAS, UH, SHARON AND I ACTUALLY, UH, WALKED OUR BLOCKS AND, AND TOOK PICTURES BECAUSE THERE WAS DEBATE AS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE INCLUDE THIS IN HERE, WHAT SHOULD WE INCLUDE? UM, AND SO WE TOOK PICTURES OF WHAT WAS EXISTING, UM, AND, UM, FOR THE SETBACKS, UH, WE HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO, UM, WENT AND MEASURED BLOCK BY BLOCK THE, THE SETBACK FROM THE CURB TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BLOCK BY BLOCK, UH, AND MEASURED AND, UM, TOOK AN AVERAGE OF IT.
AND WE ENDED UP SETTING OUR STANDARD AS, UM, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET, UM, PLUS OR MINUS THE AVERAGE ON A BLOCK.
BECAUSE AGAIN, OUR GOAL WAS LET'S PRESERVE WHAT A BLOCK FACE, YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE AS YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN THE STREET, UM, IN, IN AS LEAST YOU KNOW, BUT GIVING PEOPLE THE ROOM TO STILL BE ABLE TO DO, DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, SAME WITH MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE NO, EVERY, UM, EVERY HOME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE TO TWO STORIES.
UM, SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, OUR OUR MOST IMPORTANT, UH, CRITERIA IS, YOU KNOW, AVOIDING IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT'S TOWERING OVER THE NEIGHBORS.
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AND THEN SAME WITH, UH, DRIVEWAYS AND CURBS AND EXCEL ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.UM, JUST LOOKING AROUND AT WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UM, OF HOMES WITH ACCESSORY DWELLING, DWELLING UNITS.
AND WE WANT THAT TO CONTINUE TO BE AN OPTION FOR HOMEOWNERS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN FAMILY MEMBERS OR ADD INCOME.
UM, SO OUR, OUR PROCESS, TRU
UM, AND WE DID, WE DID PATTERN OUR N C D ON EXISTING APPROVED NCDS FROM SIMILAR, UM, INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, BUT OURS, UH, VERY INTENTIONALLY WAS MUCH LESS IN, MUCH LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN OTHERS THAT WE REVIEWED.
UM, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, WE WERE REVIEWING OTHER NCDS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TENS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF PAGES, UH, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO A HUNDRED PAGES.
AND, UM, WE REALLY, WE REALLY FOCUSED ON, ON THE KEY COMPONENTS THAT WE FELT WERE, WERE MOST IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND I WILL, I WILL JUST ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN,
WE, ANY, ANY REGULATION THAT WE PROPOSE IN HERE, WE HAVE TO LOOK OUR NEIGHBORS IN THE EYE AND, AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY IT'S IN THERE.
UM, AND SO WE NEED TO BE GROUNDED IN, IN WHAT IS HERE AND WHAT WE'RE TRULY TRYING TO PRESERVE.
SO THAT REALLY WAS OUR, OUR GUIDING PHILOSOPHY.
UM, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF TO CONCLUDE JUST A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE ABOUT, UM, NCDS, UM, THIS IS NOT AN UNCOMMON DESIGNATION IN SAN ANTONIO, SO WE'RE THE 10TH NEIGHBORHOOD APPLYING FOR AN N C D.
UM, WE DID FOLLOW THE PROCESS, UH, LAID OUT BY THE CITY, UM, AND, AND, AND DO BELIEVE THAT WE TOOK, UM, AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES AS POSSIBLE TO, UM, KIND OF KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMED, UM, ABOUT WHERE WE WERE HEADED.
AND NEXT SLIDE, UM, AGAIN, THIS JUST KIND OF, UM, UH, PROVIDES, UM, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST, UM, REINFORCES, UM, WHAT WE WERE, UM, TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF PRESERVATION.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO PRESERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET SCAPES.
UM, WE, IT IS, UM, WE WERE HOPING TO STILL ENCOURAGE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, SO WE'RE DISCOURAGING DEMOLITION OF EXISTING HOMES TO, TO CREATE THOSE HIGH PRICE, LARGE SCALE SLOT HOMES THAT ARE JUST STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN AND CRAMMED IN AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THEY'RE OFTEN ORIENTED SIDEWAYS.
UM, THEY HAVE LIMITED OFF STREET PARKING, AND SO THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, CLOGGING UP THE STREETS.
THEY'RE, UM, CAUSING INCREASED TRAFFIC AND, UM, AND JUST DON'T, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB
UM, AND, UH, WE ALSO SPECIFICALLY, UM, WANTED TO NOT DISCOURAGE, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT IS, UM, AN IMPORTANT, UH, SOURCE OF REVENUE, UM, AND, UM, AND, UH, CAN ALSO KEEP AFFORDABLE RENTALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO AS AN EXAMPLE TO THAT, YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE PICTURE DOWN BELOW THAT, THAT WAS AN EXISTING DUPLEX THAT WAS HERE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUILT RIGHT BEHIND IT, UM, WAS A TWO STORY, UM, ADDITIONAL UNITS.
I BELIEVE THERE'S, THERE ARE ACTUALLY FOUR UNITS, IS THAT RIGHT, SHARON? BACK BEHIND THAT HOME.
UM, AND, AND IT'S DONE IN A WAY IN WHICH IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, PRESERVES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT BLENDS IN, IT'S ACCESSIBLE, THERE'S PARKING BACK THERE.
UM, SO, UM, THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD, WOULD STILL BE, UM, BE ABLE TO BE DONE.
AND LASTLY, AND THEN LASTLY, UM, JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE, UM, THESE ARE THE REASONS TO PURSUE A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, AND REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DROVE US WAS THE VERY FIRST ONE TO PROTECT AND STRENGTHEN DESIRABLE AND UNIQUE PHYSICAL FEATURES, DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS, AND RECOGNIZED IDENTITY AND CHARM.
UM, YOU KNOW, SHARON SHOWED PICTURES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VARYING ARCHITECTURE STYLES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THAT'S, UH, HONESTLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOVE AND I I THINK WE ALL DO, IS WE ARE NOT MONTE VISTA.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR HOUSES ARE SMALLER, BUT THEY'RE UNIQUE AND HAVE CHARM AND, AND CHARACTER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING TO PRESERVE.
UM, AND, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE, ALL OF
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THESE FACTORS APPLIED TO US.UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT WAS OUR, OUR NUMBER ONE, UM, MOTIVATION.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE JUST REALLY TRIED TO STICK TO STICK TO THAT PRINCIPLE.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT'S OUR LAST SLIDE.
UM, SO AM I, UH, PASSING BACK OVER TO CITY STAFF? YES.
THANK YOU MS. WE'RE TO TAKE, WE'RE HERE TO TAKE BACK OVER AND IF YOU GIRLS WOULD JUST STAY ON STANDBY, AND I KNOW WE DO HAVE ONE OTHER MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE THAT WILL JOIN US AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO, UH, JOHN, IF YOU COULD GO INTO THE, THE PRESENTATION.
THIS IS JOHN AUSTIN WITH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER.
AND, UM, I WILL, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE OVER FROM THIS POINT, AND I'M GOING TO, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN SPECIAL DETAILS OF THIS N C D.
BUT FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH VERY QUICK, YOU KNOW, OVERVIEW HOW IT STARTED, AS YOU HEARD BEFORE.
UH, THERE WAS A PETITION SIGNED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, DELIVERED TO DISTRICT ONE OFFICE, WHICH STARTED THE, UH, COUNCIL CONSTELLATION REQUEST, UM, UH, WHICH WAS SIGNED, UH, BACK IN DECEMBER, 2018.
AND, UH, 2019, UM, THE RESOLUTION HAS BEEN PASSED AND, AND, AND WHICH OFFICIALLY STARTED, UH, THE PROCESS AND DIRECTED THE CITY STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, WITH THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, CAN WE, AND IT'S JUST, SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE A, A ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICT, AN AMENDMENT TO THE U D C, IT'LL FOLLOW TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, ZONING CHANGE PROCESS, WHICH IS, UH, HEARING BEFORE ZONING COMMISSION TODAY, AND ALSO, UH, CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION.
UH, THIS IS A VERY QUICK OVERALL, UH, UH, SUMMARY OF THE PROCESS AND, UM, CREATION OF THE TASK FORCE.
AFTER WE, UM, GOT THE RESOLUTION AND, UH, SENT INVITATION TO THE, YOU KNOW, WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER LATER ON.
AND, UM, WE HAD MANY MONTHLY MEETINGS, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE TASK FORCE GROUP.
AND, UH, DUE TO PANDEMIC, THERE WAS A BREAK, I GUESS, UH, FOR A FEW MONTHS.
AND THEN WE PICKED UP AGAIN LAST FALL, AND WE COMPLETE THE, UH, DOCUMENT.
AND, UH, DURING THAT PROCESS, WE CONSTANTLY UPDATED THE WEBSITE DEDICATED TO THE, UH, THIS PROJECT.
AND THIS WEBSITE I'M REFERRING TO IS THE ONE ON THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WEBSITE, PART OF OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, WEBSITE.
AND, UH, BUT ALSO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY HAD THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, WEBSITE RELATED TO IT, BUT I'M NOT REFERRING TO THAT.
AND, UH, WE FINALIZED THE, ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE HAD A NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION AND, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, WHICH WE, UH, RECEIVED MORE INPUT, WHICH ALSO, YOU KNOW, UH, MODIFIED THE UPDATE THE DOCUMENT A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN, UH, HERE WE ARE AT THE ZONING COMMISSION.
UH, THIS IS THE, UH, INVITATION LETTER TO, UH, THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BACK IN AUGUST, 2019.
AND IT WAS SIMPLY INFORMED RESIDENTS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, SINCE THEY GOT THE PETITION ALREADY, OF COURSE, THEY'RE AWARE OF IT TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL, UH, PROVIDED ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT THE PROJECT.
AND, UH, WE INVITED, UH, VOLUNTEERS TO TAKE PART IN THE TASK FORCE AND, UM, AND ONGOING PUBLIC INPUT, UH, RECEIVED ALSO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WEBSITE, I MEAN THE COMMUNICATION ALSO ESTABLISHED THROUGH WEBSITE.
AND THESE ARE THE MEMBERS OF TASK FORCE, WHICH I, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH RIGHT NOW, BUT AS YOU HEARD BEFORE, UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, THEY THAT PARTICIPATED.
UH, ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE THE, UH, BOUNDARY MAP, BUT, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, UH, THE N C D MEANS IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, WHICH BECOMES AN IF ADOPTED, IT BECOMES A ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND BASICALLY IT ADDRESSES APPROPRIATENESS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGH ENFORCEABLE DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND, UM, THEY'RE USUALLY THE TWO CATEGORIES FOR ESSENTIAL COMMERCIAL.
BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR N C D, IT'S GOING TO BE ALL RESIDENTIAL.
THERE WON'T BE ANY COMMERCIAL STANDARDS.
AND, UM, N C D BASICALLY, IT PROTECTS, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS CHARACTER INTEGRITY AND, UM, AND CERTAIN FEATURES.
AND IT PROMOTES COMPATIBLE INFO DEVELOPMENT
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AND ALLOWS FOR FAIR AND OBJECTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, REVIEW PROCESS.AND, UH, IT PROVIDES A TOOL FOR PROACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING, AND IT DOES NOT ENFORCE NEED RESTRICTIONS.
IT DOES NOT ENFORCE OR CHANGE, UH, UNDERLYING BASE ZONING DISTRICTS OR PROPERTIES.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE PROPERTY OWNER TO REHABILITATE, UH, EXISTING STRUCTURES, TO CONFORM TO THE, UH, STANDARDS, AND IT DOES NOT PREVENT DEMOLITION OF EXISTING STRUCTURES.
NEXT, UH, NON-CONFORMING, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, MEANS IT'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE, IN APPLICABLE, YOU KNOW, ZONING DISTRICT, UH, REQUIREMENTS OR REGULATIONS.
AND, UH, IF, BUT IT STILL CAN BE OCCUPIED, IT CAN BE MAINTAINED, UH, BUT IT CANNOT BE ENLARGED OR EXTENDED UNLESS IT MEETS ALL THE APPLICABLE, UH, DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS.
AND THIS, UM, THIS RIGHT TO MAINTAIN, UH, OF NON NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE WILL CEASE OR, OR END, UH, WHEN IT'S DAMAGED, AND, UH, COST OF REPAIRS EXCEED OR MORE THAN, UH, 50% OF REPLACEMENT COST OF THAT STRUCTURE.
AND THIS FOR STRUCTURE ONLY, THE COST OF LAND WILL NOT BE INCLUDED INTO THAT CALCULATION.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE TWO COMMITTEE MEETING, IDENTICAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, ALWAYS FIRST ONLINE.
UH, WE PRESENT THE EXACT SAME INFORMATION, UH, TO PARTICIPANTS.
AND, UH, WE ALSO RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, INPUT.
UH, THERE WERE SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSIONS, UH, DURING THOSE MEETINGS.
AND, UM, 25 PEOPLE WERE IN ATTENDANCE TOTAL FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AFTER THIS ONE, UH, I'LL GO A LITTLE BIT INTO MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, REGULATIONS OR STANDARDS.
UH, FIRST ITEM IS ABOUT THE LOTS, AND THERE WILL BE MINIMUM OF 50 FEET, UH, LOT WIDTH AND MAXIMUM SEVEN, FIVE FEET.
AND, UH, BUT THEY'RE ALREADY EXISTING 25 FEET.
UH, THIS HOW THEY PLOTTED LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE REC, WE WILL RECOGNIZE THEM AND THEY WILL MAINTAIN THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, LEGITIMATE POSITION.
AND THEN THEY, IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY FOLLOW THE STANDARDS, THEY WILL BE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
SECOND ITEM IS ABOUT MASSING AND, AND HEIGHT.
UH, FOR, ESPECIALLY MULTIFAMILY, THREE PLUS UNITS, UH, SHALL BE IN, UH, ONE STRUCTURE.
AND, UM, IF, IF THE MULTI, UH, MULTIFAMILY PROJECT IS MORE THAN ONE ACRE, THEY WILL BE EXEMPT FROM THESE, UH, REGULATIONS AND BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, BASICALLY IT WILL BE LIMITED, LIMITED TWO AND A HALF STORIES AND 35 FEET AND, UM, FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND, UM, THOSE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, TWO, TWO AND A HALF STORIES AND 35 FEET.
BUT IF THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION'S GOING TO BE ON TWO FIVE FOOT LOT, THEN UH, THEY WILL BE SUBJECT TO ONE AND A HALF STORIES AND, UH, 15 FEET IN, IN HIGH.
SO THEY WILL BE SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN THE OTHER ONES.
AND, UH, FOR THIS N C D, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THIS UNIQUE, UH, SETBACK CALCULATIONS.
AND, UH, SO BASICALLY WE WANT A NEW CONSTRUCTION TO BASICALLY IN LINE WITHIN CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, VARIANCE OF THE, UH, OF THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, BLOCK PRICE, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURES, UH, SETBACKS.
SO THERE, UH, SPECIAL WAY OF CALCULATING IT.
BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY DID, UH, ALL OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, MEASUREMENTS.
SO WE HAVE VERY GOOD DATABASE OR DATA INFORMATION, UH, IN OUR DATABASE.
SO WHENEVER THERE'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION COMES IN, UH, WE CAN EASILY, UH, FIGURE OUT, UH, WHAT WILL BE THERE, UH, PERMANENT SETBACK.
NEXT ONE, UH, FOR THE ELEVATION FEATURES, UH, TRANSITION SPACE WAS DISCUSSED, AND, UH, THIS, WHAT IS PROPOSED.
UH, SO BASICALLY WHENEVER THERE'S A NEW, NEW HOUSE, UH, ONE OF THESE, THE TRANSIT, UH, TRANSITION SPACE, UH, SHALL BE REQUIRED, BUT WE DO NOT REQUIRE ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DEBT OR, OR WIDTH, UH, FOR THIS, UM, UH, TRANSITION SPACE.
AS LONG AS THEY PROVIDE SOMETHING, IT WILL BE, UH, APPLICABLE OR, UH, ACCEPTABLE.
UH, SO, UH, IT COULD BE PORCH OR STOOP OR ALL CALL OR COURT OR NUKE.
UH, TYPICAL, UH, TRANSITION SPACES.
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ONE, PLEASE.UH, THE MAXIMUM, UH, 15 FEET IS GOING TO BE THE CURB CUT, AND THERE'S ONLY ONE, UH, PER HOUSE WILL BE PERMITTED.
AND, UH, DRIVEWAYS COULD BE UP TO 12 FEET, UH, WIDTH, AND, UM, CAN USE IMPERVIOUS OR PERVIS, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS.
AND, UH, THEY CAN HAVE ALSO RIBBONS.
AND, UM, THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE ON THE ONE SIDE OF, OF THE HOUSE SO THAT THAT CANNOT BE SERVED TO THE DRIVEWAYS.
AND, UM, THIS DRIVEWAY HAS TO LEAD TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, BUT AGAIN, IF THAT LOT IS THE, THE SMALL 25 FOOT LOT, AND, UH, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, UH, IT WILL BE EXEMPT FROM THIS, UH, REQUIREMENT.
AND, UH, EXISTING, UH, DRIVEWAYS AND, AND CURB CUT APPROACHES, UH, THEY CAN BE, UH, MAINTAINED OR REPAIRED, UH, TO THEIR EXISTING LOCATION AND EXISTING, YOU KNOW, MEASUREMENTS.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THEM, UH, CHANGE THEIR, UH, SIZE OF THEIR DRIVEWAYS OR, OR
IT'S ABOUT ACCESSORY, UH, STRUCTURES AND DWELLING UNIT.
IF IT'S LESS THAN, UM, THAT EXTRA STRUCTURES LESS THAN TH UH, 300 FEET, UH, IS NOT GONNA REQUIRE PERMIT AND ALSO EXEMPT FROM THE STANDARDS.
BUT, UH, THERE'S A, IN U D C, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, WAY OF CALCULATING PERMITTED, UH, ACCESSOR DWELLING UNITS.
SO THEY WILL BE SUBJECT TO THAT, UH, PORTION OF THE CODE.
AND, UM, AND THESE, UH, STRUCTURES CANNOT BE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE, AND THEY HAVE TO BE THE REAR YARD.
AND, UH, HEIGHT CAN BE SAME AS THE MAIN HOUSE, OR, UM, WILL BE KEPT AT 25 FEET IF THE MAIN HOUSE IS TALLER THAN 25 FEET.
UH, FOR GARAGES AND CARPORTS, UM, ATTACHED GARAGES ARE, UH, WILL BE ALLOWED AND, UH, BUT, UM, IF IT'S ATTACHED IS A PART OF THE MAIN HOUSE, UM, AND LIVING QUARTERED OR LIVING SPACE ON TOP OF THE GARAGE WILL NOT BE PERMITTED BY THIS N C D.
HOWEVER, IF THEY, UH, THE GARAGE IS DETACHED IN, UH, IN PLACE OR LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, IT CAN HAVE A LIVING QUARTER ON TOP OF IT, AS LONG AS DETACHED AND ALL THE EXISTING GARAGES.
UH, THEY DEFINITELY CAN BE, YOU KNOW, REPAIRED AS PART OF THE STRUCTURE, AND THEY WILL BE ALL, WHENEVER THERE'S A REPAIR OF, UH, NEW, UH, EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING INTO THAT, UH, UH, NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE OF THE, OF THE CODE.
AND, UH, FOR THE CAR PORTS, UH, THEY AGAIN, HAVE TO BE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
NEXT ONE, PLEASE, FOR THE FENCES.
AND, AND AT THE FRONT, UH, SOLID, UH, THREE FEET AND PREDOMINANTLY OPEN FIVE FEET, UH, WILL BE PERMITTED.
UH, CERTAIN MATERIALS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED, SUCH AS, UH, LIKE CHICKEN WIRE OR, OR RAZOR BARBED WIRE OR, OR CINDER BLOCK OR UNFINISHED CONCRETE.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, IF IT'S IN THE CORNER LOT, THEY HAVE TO ALSO ON THE SIDE, UH, SIDE STREET, UH, THE FRONT AND THE SIDE FENCES HAVE TO MATCH IN TERMS OF MATERIALS AND PROPORTIONS, IF THEIR, IF THEIR HOMES, UH, THEY'RE NEXT TO, UH, COMMERCIAL SITES OR, OR ALLEYS OR, OR, UH, ARTERIAL TYPE OF, UH, RIGHT OF WAYS.
AND THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN SIX FEET AT THE REAR, UH, OF, OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND, UH, THE ONE ON THE, THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS, UM, BASICALLY INDICATING THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY SHOWING THAT, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS DURING THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS.
UH, YOU CAN FIND ALL THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTES, UH, BASED ON THOSE DATES.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WITH THE, WITH THE BLACK HEADER ON THE RIGHT SIDE, UM, WITH, WITH THE RED COLOR, UH, THOSE ARE THE INPUTS OR, OR ITEMS THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, DURING THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AND SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY, UM, LANDED IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF.
SO WE UPDATED DOCUMENT, UH, BASED ON THOSE, UH, INPUTS.
THIS IS A TIMELINE, UH, AS I MENTIONED, FEBRUARY THREE, FOUR, UH, FOR, UH, COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
AND APRIL 6TH TODAY, ZONING COMMISSION.
AND TENTATIVELY, UH, WE'RE PLANNING TO SCHEDULE THIS ITEM, UH, BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FROM MAY 6TH MEETING.
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AND, UM, TOTAL OF 264 NOTICES MAILED TO THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THIS, UM, PROPOSED N C D AREA AND, UH, 200 FEET THAT, UH, BUFFERING NOTIFICATION AREA AND, UM, FIVE RETURN IN OPPOSITION.BUT WITHIN THAT FIVE, ACTUAL THREE OF 'EM, THEY WERE OPPOSING TO N C D AND TWO OF 'EM.
UH, THEY WERE SIMPLY AGAINST, UH, FUTURE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS.
AND ALSO I RECEIVED, UM, SUPPORT LETTER FROM, FROM THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
AND SO NOW AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO ASK MS. MARY JOHNSON TO JOIN US, PLEASE.
UM, I'M MARY JOHNSON AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UM, I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 30 YEARS THAT WE'RE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS N C D.
UM, IT TOOK A LOT OF WORK, AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PRESERVATION OF OUR NUMBER ONE INVESTMENT, WHICH IS OUR HOME.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND ATTENTION TO OUR PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
IT'S THE 10TH ONE, AND OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AS NOTED IN THE PRESENTATION, IT IS A CULMINATION OF OVER NINE MONTHS OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR DUE DILIGENCE, WE FEEL IS BEING COMPLETE, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE OUR N C D.
UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE TIMELINE, THE, THE THREE NEIGHBORS THAT JUST SPOKE MM-HMM.
STAFF, ARE YOU NOW DONE? UH, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION.
YES, BOTH MARY JOHNSON AND I DON'T THINK HOLLY ELL GAVE THEIR ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 1 25 WEST RIDGEWOOD COURT.
SORRY, I REALIZED THAT AFTERWARDS.
I LIVE AT 2 2 5 WEST RIDGEWOOD COURT, AND I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE, UH, 2012.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS STAFF, ARE YOU NOW COMPLETE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION STAFF AT, UH, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR.
THAT DOES CONCLUDE STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
IF WE COULD GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
WE'LL BEGIN PLAYING VOICEMAIL.
I LIVE AT 2 1 2 WEST NORWOOD COURT.
UM, MY PHONE NUMBER IS (817) 688-4926, AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE ZONING CASE NUMBER WITH THE LAST THREE DIGITS, 0 5 5.
I'M JUST CALLING TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT FROM MONTE VISTA TERRACE.
UM, THE TASK FORCE HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS, AND I FEEL LIKE IT PRESERVES THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO IS NOT TOO RESTRICTIVE.
SO I'M THAT THE BOARD WILL APPROVE, UM, THIS CONSERVATION DISTRICT TODAY.
JUST LET US KNOW WHEN THEY'RE DONE.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 2 1 WEST RIDGEWOOD COURT, SAN ANTONIO, 78 2 1 2.
I AM A NEW NEIGHBOR, UH, THE CASE,
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I'M, IT'S, I'M CALLING ABOUT THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT OVERLAY.AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M IN TOTAL SUPPORT OF IT AND I HOPE THAT THE ZONING COMMISSION SUPPORTS IT AS WELL.
HI, MY NAME IS KAY BARONS AND I LIVE AT 2 0 3 WEST RIDGEWOOD FORT, AND I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THE, UM, THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S NCD NUMBER 10.
I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1993 AND, UM, I AM FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHING THE TASK FORCE HAS DONE.
VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE GROUP AND, UM, AND VOICE SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.
MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO SIX NINE EIGHT EIGHT THREE FIVE.
IF YOU NEED TO REACH ME FOR ANY REASON, AGAIN, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THE M C D.
HELLO, MY NAME IS KENNETH M. FOWLER.
I LIVE AT 3 24 WEST NORWOOD COURT IN MONTE VISTA TERRACE.
MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 804-0401.
I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR ADOPTING THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, NCD 10.
THIS ZONING OVERLAY IS IMPORTANT IN PRESERVING THE UNIQUE CHARACTER AND ARCHITECTURE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS GUIDING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU TO THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ADOPTING MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT CASE Z 20 21, 1 0 7 0 0 5 5.
MY NAME IS MARGO DENKI GRIFFIN, AND I SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND, JIM GRIFFIN.
WE PURCHASED A DUPLEX ON RIDGEWOOD COURT IN 2015 AND CHOSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF ITS UNIQUE CHARACTER, ECLECTIC COMBES, MIXED SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY HOMES, STREETS WHERE YOU ARE WELCOME TO WALK YOUR DOG AND TO MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS.
WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT THE PLANS TO DEVELOP AN N C D, WE PARTICIPATED, WE JOINED THE TASK FORCE ALONG WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT SERVICE OFFICES TO GO OVER THE CRITERIA FOR AN N C D.
AND THESE DISCUSSIONS WERE MEASURED AND THOUGHTFUL.
WHAT MAKES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL? WE CONSIDERED EACH POSSIBLE RESTRICTION, NOT AS A WAY TO CONTROL THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT AS A WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.
IS THIS WHERE WE LIVE? DOES THIS FIT WITH WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE? MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED A HUNDRED FOOT STEEL TAPE AND MEASURED EVERY SETBACK.
WE WANTED TO DO THIS RIGHT, AND THE DATA WE COLLECTED SHOWED THE UNIQUENESS OF EVERY BLOCK.
IT'S THAT UNIQUENESS THAT THIS N C D WILL PRESERVE.
WE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN A CENTRALLY LOCATED NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE WANT TO KEEP THE UNIQUE BLEND OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO OUR NEW NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE OF US TO DESCRIBE THE CD PROCESS AND THEIR SUPPORT.
WE HOPE THAT THE ZONING BOARD APPROVES OUR REQUEST.
YES, THIS IS MARY JOHNSON, AND I LIVE AT 1 25 WEST BRIDGEWOOD COURT.
UM, I'M CALLING IN AND TO, UH, TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR OUR N C D FOR THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, CASE NUMBER D 2 0 2 1 1 0 0 5 5.
THIS NCD IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US FOR THE PROTECTION OF OUR GREATEST INVESTMENT, WHICH IS OUR HOMES.
UM, SO I'M ASKING THAT THE COMMISSION, PLEASE, UM, SUPPORT THIS ZONING OVERLAY.
I LIVE AT 1 1 3 EAST NORWOOD COURT AND MY NUMBER IS 3 7 8 2 4 7 9 AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER, BUT THIS IS IN REGARD TO THE MORATORIUM ON HIS HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT PROPOSED MORATORIUM, OUR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE ARCHITECTURE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS FORM WHO WE ARE CHANGING WITHOUT OUR INPUT ISN'T FAIR.
WE LIKE THOSE OLD BUILDINGS WITH THEIR SMALLER, SIMPLER STYLES AND BETTER ARCHITECTURE.
PLEASE TAKE THIS UNDER CONSIDERATION.
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WE NEED THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TO STAY.BLAINE RUSSELL 3 1 4 WEST NORWOOD COURT 2 1 0 8 6 7 2 9 2 6.
I'M CALLING WITH REGARD TO THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, N C D.
WE LIVE IN A FRIENDLY AND WELCOMING NEIGHBORHOOD.
MANY PEDESTRIANS PASS THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS OR FROM ONCE FURTHER AWAY, AND I'VE GOT TO KNOW A NUMBER OF THOSE PEOPLE THROUGH CONVERSING WITH THEM THROUGH THE YEARS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS MAINTAINED ITS CHARACTER FOR 70 YEARS THAT I KNOW OF REGARDING A COMFORTABLE FLOW OF VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH DEVELOPERS TO, TO FIND, UM, I SHOULD SAY, UH, UM, TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR FOR NEW BUILDINGS AFTER CHANGES OF OWNERSHIP REGARDING SIZE OF BUILDING, NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, UH, NUMBER OF VEHICLES REGARDING PARK PARKING AND TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND IN ORDER FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAINTAIN COMFORTABLE PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO INSTITUTE THIS N C D THAT I KNOW A NUMBER OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE WORKED, UH, VERY HARD ON CONSIDERING, UH, MODERN TECHNOLOGIES, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO BUILDING STRUCTURES.
KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD WITH OLDER BUILDINGS, AND YET WE HAVE SOME NEWER BUILDINGS COMING IN WITH CHANGES OF OWNERSHIP.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND WORK DILIGENTLY.
WE HAVE ALSO HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING DEVELOPERS COME IN THAT WERE NOT INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING ANY OF THEIR PLANS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY ADDRESS IS PO BOX 1601 MON TEXAS 7 9 8 4 3.
BUT I OWN, I'M A PROPERTY OWNER SINCE 1977, UH, AT 1 24 VASSAR LANE.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 2 1 1 0 7 0 0 0 5 5.
MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH OVER 76 YEARS OF AGE AND OUR PLAN IS TO TEAR DOWN OUR GUT, THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT AT 1 24 VASSAR LANE AND REPLACE IT WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE FORM OF A TWO STORY DWELLING UNIT ON THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE EXISTING HOUSE.
AND THE TWO OF US PLAN TO RETIRE THERE AND OCCUPY THE UPPER FLOOR AND AT THE SAME TIME PROVIDE HOUSING FOR A COUPLE, A SINGLE FAMILY THAT CAN PROVIDE US WITH CAREGIVING IN OUR ELDER YEARS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
IF THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS OF THIS CASE INTERFERE OR CONSTRAIN OR LIMIT OUR PLANS IN ANY WAY, THEN WE'RE OPPOSED TO THE ADOPTION OF THE N C D 10 ZONING OVERLAY BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
MY PHONE NUMBER IS THREE THREE EIGHT SIX FIVE ZERO NINE NINE.
PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THERE ARE NO, UH, LIVE CALLERS FOR THIS ITEM? NO, SIR.
UH, I GUESS IT GOES THEN TO YOU STAFF FOR ANY REBUTTAL.
WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS A, UH, DISTRICT ONE CASE COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, UM, MOSTLY FOR STAFF.
UM, SO I THINK THAT IT WAS MAYBE MENTIONED DURING THE PRESENTATION, BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, HOW MANY VACANT LOTS ARE THERE IN THIS AREA?
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UH, YES.UM, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, UNITS OR, OR PROPERTIES IS 187.
AND OUT OF THIS, UH, ONLY FOUR OF THEM, UH, ARE VACANT LOTS.
ALL THE REST OF 'EM ARE, ARE DEVELOPED.
UM, AND THEN DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE, OR WOULD BE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING IF THIS N C D WERE TO PASS? THERE'S REALLY NOT A, A WAY TO DETERMINE THAT NUMBER, BUT AS HOLLY MENTIONED, WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTING AND THE TASK FORCE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION BEING VERY INCLUSIVE OF, OF, OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO A LOT OF WHAT THEY DEVELOPED CAME FROM THINGS THAT ALREADY EXISTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT THEY, THEY DID AGREE UPON, AND THEN RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE THINGS THAT THEY FELT NEEDED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIGHTER, UH, HAVE TIGHTER REGULATIONS SUCH AS BUILDING HEIGHT AND MASSING.
SO THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES, UM, IF, IF THIS WERE TO PASS, ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
AND IF THERE WAS A PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAD A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE WHO THEN, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHETHER IT BE BY BECAUSE OF CASUALTY OR BECAUSE THEY JUST SIMPLY WANNA CHANGE THE PROPERTY, IS THERE A PROCESS THAT THEY COULD GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, REMODEL THEIR PROPERTY OR, UM, EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES, THAT'S, UH, WHERE THE LANGUAGE THAT JOHN MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION COMES FROM FAIR AND A FAIR ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS IS SO THEY COULD GO THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCESS, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, TO BE OUTSIDE OF, OF THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, AND THEN BASED ON THE, THE LAST CALLER, THE GENTLEMAN WHO CALLED IN, UM, BASED ON HIS DESCRIPTION, UM, OF WHAT HIS PLANS ARE, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT HIM? HE'S WANTING TO BUILD A TWO STORY BUILDING ON THE EXACT SAME FOOTPRINT THAT HE'S GOT THERE.
SO, UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW THAT, HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT HIM? YES.
UM, ACTUALLY HE CONTACTED ME EARLIER, UH, WITH EXACT SAME, YOU KNOW, QUESTION.
AND, UM, I LOOK AT THE, UH, STREET VIEW OF HIS, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS AND, AND, UH, WHERE, WHERE THE LIKE GARAGE OR, OR HIS, YOU KNOW, PARKING SPACE IS.
AND, UH, LOOK AT HIS, YOU KNOW, LIKE HOUSE.
AND I GIVE HIM, UH, MY, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING ON THE SAME, YOU KNOW, LOCATION, DEFINITELY IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT HIM.
FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE, THE, THE SETBACK, YOU KNOW, ISSUE.
AND I TOLD HIM AS LONG AS HE PROVIDES IN, UM, LIKE TRANSITION SPACE, WHICH HE HAD A, A, A PORCH FOR THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THEN IT SHOULD BE OKAY.
AND, UH, SO, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TWO STORIES, OKAY.
I TOLD HIM IS AS LONG AS HE KEEPS THE, UH, EXISTING DRIVEWAY THE WAY IT IS AND, UH, PARKING AT THE REAR, IT'S GONNA BE OKAY.
SO I GAVE HIM FEEDBACK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE, UH, UH, WITHOUT SEEING THE ACTUAL PLANS, I SIMPLY DIDN'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE WE'RE APPROVING ANYTHING HE IS, YOU KNOW, JUST PROPOSING.
BUT, UH, JUST BASED ON THE GENERAL CONCEPT, THEN, UH, I GAVE HIM SOME DETAILED FEEDBACK.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO JOHN OSTEEN ON THE FOUR VACANT LOTS.
WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THOSE LOTS? DO YOU KNOW? VACANT? OH, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE SIZES, BUT ONE OF THEM, UH, WAS THAT, UM, THAT APARTMENT PROJECT THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MENTIONED AT THE, THE BEGINNING? I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT'S 50 FEET WIDE AND, UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF THEM, BUT THEY, THEY LOOK LIKE TYPICAL, LIKE 50 FOOT WIDE LOTS.
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OKAY.AND, UM, BACK WHEN, I THINK IT WAS SHARON THAT SPOKE AT THREE 12 WEST NORWAY, IT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION AT THAT SITE? IS THAT WHAT WE WERE TALKING WHAT YOU WERE MENTIONING? GOOGLE? YEAH, WE POSTED THAT ONE, YES.
GOOGLE SHOWS IT AS A CONSTRUCTION, WHAT WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED THERE AND WAS IT COMPLETED? UH, THIS IS SHARON, IF I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
SORRY, GOOGLE'S TALKING TO ME.
UM, THE, THE ONE THAT WAS PROPOSED FOR THREE 11, UM, NEVER REACHED FRUITION BECAUSE THEY HAD NUMEROUS CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND THESE PARTICULAR DEVELOPERS, UM, I I, I WON'T SPEAK DISPARAGE DEALING ABOUT THEM, BUT, UH, THEY HAD A HISTORY OF, UH, KIND OF SHODDY DEVELOPMENT AND SO IT NEVER, UH, GOT OFF THE GROUND.
I BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY WENT BANKRUPT BEFORE THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS ABLE ABLE TO, OKAY.
SO THE, THE LOT IS VACANT RIGHT NOW.
THE LOT IS, THE LOT IS VACANT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN MY QUESTION TO YOU, SHARON, YOU SAID THAT YOU GOT 187 ON, ON A PETITION? NO, WE RECEIVED 101 SIGNATURES, 101, I'M SORRY, 101 ON THE PETITION.
HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE, ARE PROPERTY OWNERS AND HOW MANY OF THEM WERE RENTERS? UM, WE ONLY HAD A HANDFUL OF RENTERS AND THOSE WERE NOT COUNTED.
UM, SO IT WAS AT LEAST 51.5, IF NOT 52% WERE PROPERTY ON IT.
SO, AND SO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FACT THAT ONLY 11 CAME BACK APPROVING THIS CASE BECAUSE YOU STARTED THIS PROCESS BACK IN 2018, OCTOBER OF 2018? MM-HMM.
ONLY 11 HAVE ASKED AN APPROVAL AND IF A FIVE OPPOSED, BUT THOSE WHO NEVER EVEN RETURNED, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE OPPOSED THAN YOU DO IN FAVOR.
WHAT I WOULD SAY ON THAT IS THOSE ARE JUST PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME OR THE INCLINATION TO RESPOND BACK TO THE ZONING NOTICE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DO, UH, I THINK WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE FOUR, THE OTHER FOUR WHO OPPOSED HAD TO SAY THE ONE GENTLEMAN WHO CALLED IN, HE'S NOT ACTUALLY IN OPPOSITION TO THE N C D, HE JUST IS IN OPPOSITION TO ANYTHING THAT WILL PREVENT HIM FROM BEING ABLE TO CONSTRUCT WHAT HE WANTS TO CONSTRUCT.
AND HIS PLAN, THE WAY HE SPOKE OF IT, IS ABSOLUTELY, UM, ALLOWABLE STILL UNDER OUR N C D.
AND THEN I HAVE UNDERSTANDING, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, UH, LET'S SEE, CASES WHERE THERE'S DAMAGE, IF THERE'S A DAMAGE TO A PROPERTY, WHO DECIDES THAT THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND BUILD, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY THEY HAVE TO DAMAGED? UH, YES.
UM, YES, THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, DEPENDING ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, SCOPE, SCOPE OF THEIR WORK.
AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE CERTAIN THINGS, UH, DURING THAT, UH, PERMIT PROCESS BECAUSE
WHAT IF IT JUST SITS THERE DAMAGED? CAN IT JUST SIT THERE DAMAGED AND NOT BE REPAIRED? SO PROPERTIES THAT ARE DAMAGED NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SECURED, UM, AND THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO, UH, RENOVATE, REFURBISH, BRING THEM BACK UP TO CODE.
THEY JUST NEED TO BE SECURED IF THEY'RE VACANT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO ASK, I THINK ONE FINAL QUESTION OF MS. GARCIA.
ON, ON THE FIRST EXAMPLE THAT YOU USED, MS. GARCIA.
UH, YOU MENTIONED IT WAS A FOUR STORY BUILDING, UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT I SAW ON THE SIGN ADVERTISING IT THAT YOU ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THOSE UNITS WERE ABOUT $400,000 A PIECE.
CORRECT? THAT WAS WHAT THEY WERE ESTIMATING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE CHARGING FOR THEM.
BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
AND, AND DO YOU KNOW IF IT WAS FOUR OR THREE UNITS OR HOW MANY UNITS WERE FOUR? IT'S FOUR UNITS.
AND EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE FOUR STORY, THEY WERE ACTUALLY 30, I'M SORRY, 48 AND A HALF FEET BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAD AN ADDITIONAL PRECIPICE,
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UH, ARCHITECTURAL THING ON TOP, JUST OKAY.I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, UH, TO YOU, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D REALLY LIKE TO COMMEND, UH, MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS STAFF, UM, FOR WORKING TOGETHER, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE THEIR COMMUNITY.
UM, I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE, UH, THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 20, UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, UM, THEY ARE IN LINE WITH THE PURPOSES OF THE N C D, UH, SECTION IN THE U D C.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MONTE VISTA TERRACE, ALTA VISTA, BEACON HILL, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE A GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THEIR RESIDENTS, UM, AS WELL AS CONVENIENCE TO DOWNTOWN AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR FOLKS WHO WORK DOWNTOWN IN OUR HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, UM, I BELIEVE NCD IS A TOOL THAT ALLOWS THE RESIDENTS TO KEEP THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS INTACT, WHICH STABILIZES HOME PRICES, KEEPS PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES, AND PREVENTS INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, NOT THAT PREVENTS INFILL DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT PREVENTS INFILL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING, UH, HOMES AND BUILDINGS, AND ALSO THAT CAUSES INSTABILITY IN HOUSING PRICES.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE CASE THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER WHEREBY THEY WERE ESTIMATING TO, TO GET $400,000 PER UNIT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT VERSUS WHAT YOU COULD, WHAT YOU COULD GET FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, $1.6 MILLION, UM, VERSUS WHAT A, AN AVERAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME SELLS FOR IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT IS NOT, UH, PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND IT'S ALSO PROVIDING, UM, OR CAUSING UNDUE PRESSURE ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THERE BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY VALUES ARE INCREASING AS THAT, UH, AS, AS DEVELOPERS ARE ABLE TO, TO REALIZE THOSE TYPES OF PROFITS BY, YOU KNOW, PUTTING FOUR SLOT HOMES ON, ON A, A LOT LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST ABOUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE, IT'S ABOUT KEEPING THE FOLKS THERE WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOR, FOR GENERATIONS AND ABOUT ACCOMMODATING THEM.
AND AS I'M A PROPERTY OWNER, UM, IN ALTAVISTA, I HAVE A, A, A DUPLEX THERE WITH A, WITH AN ADDITIONAL UNIT.
SO I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE MAINTAINING A PROPERTY THAT IS SUBJECT TO AN N C D.
AND, AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS, N C D IS LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN MANY OF OUR OTHERS, BUT EVEN THAT BEING SAID, OUR OTHER NCDS ARE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ALLOW PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES AND TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTED ENOUGH HERE, IS THAT THESE AREAS PROVIDE SOME OF THE BEST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE ONE OF THE BEST TOOLS OUR, OUR CITY HAS IN ORDER TO, TO PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR RESIDENTS IS MAINTAINING THE EXISTING HOUSING THAT IS THERE.
AND, UH, THIS IS SUCH A GREAT TOOL FOR THAT.
SO I REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I COMMEND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN, AND, AND STAFF FOR WORKING TOGETHER FOR THEIR PRESENTATION TODAY, UM, INFORMING US OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THEIR, UH, EFFORTS TO INCLUDE AND TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE AND TO HELP PRESERVE WHAT IS THERE, UM, AND TO PROVIDE THEIR RESIDENTS WITH A GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND ALSO TO, TO FORWARD OUR PUBLIC POLICY OF, UM, PROVIDING STABLE AND AFFORDABLE COMMUNITIES.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 20.
COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 20.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, THERE IS A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCGEE.
COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
I WAS TRYING TO WAIT FOR BROTHERS IF THEY HAD SOMETHING TO SAY.
UM, I, I WON'T SUPPORT AN APPROVAL OF THE MONTE VISTA CHANGE.
UM, I DO THINK THAT THERE ISN'T REALLY ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS AREA.
THE LAST INDIVIDUAL WHO CALLED HIS TAXES ARE OVER $5,000.
UM, MOST OF THE HOUSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT AFFORDABLE BECAUSE WHEN WE BEGIN TO PUT RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS LIKE THIS ON NEIGHBORHOODS, THE, WE START LOSING THE ABILITY
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TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.I THINK THERE WAS A CATO INSTITUTE THAT DID A STUDY OF THIS, MORE RESTRICTIONS ON NEIGHBORHOODS, CAUSES LESS DEVELOPMENT, AND NOW WE CHASE AWAY ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE'VE MADE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD EXCLUSIVE, EXCLUSIVE FOR THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD TAX RATES OF EIGHT, $9,000, WHICH MANY OF THESE HOUSES ARE NO DOUBT, IT'S A GORGEOUS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK THEY DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF TRYING TO PRESENT THEIR CASE AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT ALONE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO EMPOWER THEM TO GO AND DO WHAT THEY, THEY REALLY HOPE TO DO AND KEEP WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT WHEN WE START TO USE THE HAND OF GOVERNMENT TO RESTRICT EVERYBODY, AND IN THIS CASE, NOT EVERYBODY IS IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M NOT HEARING THAT EVERYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A VOTE ON HOW THEIR PROPERTY WOULD BE RESTRICTED.
EVERYBODY OWNS THEIR PROPERTY, IT'S PRIVATE TO THEM.
THEY DO ALREADY HAVE COVENANTS OR ZONING OR PLANNING RESTRICTIONS ON IT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.
DID THEY ALL VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, OR IS THIS JUST A FEW OF THEM COMING BEFORE YOU? BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK DOWN TO HOW MANY ACTUALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE CASE ITSELF, IT'S HARDLY ANYONE.
AND THAT'S HARDLY A CASE TO GO FORWARD AND RESTRICT EVERYBODY WHEN NOT EVERYBODY SHOWED UP.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THERE'S ALREADY A GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY.
IT'S A, IT'S A BEAU BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S QUALITY OF LIFE TO ME, ME WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH IT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE'RE MISSING THAT MARK BY SAYING NO TO THIS.
UM, I DO THINK YOU ARE HURTING THOSE WHO DID NOT RESPOND BACK FOR WHATEVER REASON, PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT.
UM, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE, I CAN'T GO FORWARD WITH USING THE ARM OF GOVERNMENT TO RESTRICT PEOPLE WHO DID NOT SPEAK TODAY, PEOPLE WHO DID NOT RESPOND TO THAT NOTICE.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT A GOOD ENOUGH CASE FOR ME TO DO THAT.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT YOU RESTRICT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY SHOULD BE ONE THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT IN A MORE EQUITABLE WAY FOR AFFORDABLE, TRULY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOUR 200 TO $250,000 HOUSES, I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY GO BELOW 200 IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE, BUT THE TAXES ARE SO HIGH, IT REALLY BUMPS A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES OUT ALREADY.
SO I I, I DON'T FEEL THE DEMOGRAPHICS WERE WELL PRESENTED WHO SIGNED THESE PETITIONS, LANDOWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, HOMEOWNERS, RENTERS, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT FOR US TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, OKAY, YOU WHO DID NOT RESPOND, YOU JUST LOST YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO.
UH, I'LL LEAVE IT UP FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE THAT, BUT I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THAT, I'M NOT GONNA APPROVE THAT FROM, FROM WHERE I STAND.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, SEEING NONE, UH, I'M GONNA TAKE THE LAST WORD AS CHAIR.
UM, WITHOUT REPEATING EVERYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE SAID, I DO THINK, UH, HAVING SERVED ON THE H D R C PREVIOUSLY, HAVING LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THE VARIOUS, UM, RESTRICTIONS THAT CAN BE IN PLACE THERE, I THINK THIS IS A WELL-DESIGNED PLAN.
I THINK IT IS A GOOD COMPROMISE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH RESPECT TO THE OPPOSITION, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER GIBBONS' POINT, UH, FROM MY OWN WORK ON PROPERTIES FROM MY WORK IN THE VARIOUS COMMISSIONS, I, I FIND IT'S VERY COMMON FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN OPPOSITION.
AND THEY ARE ALL TOO WILLING AND ALL TOO MOTIVATED TO COME IN OPPOSITION WHEN THAT TIME COMES.
UH, HAVING PEOPLE COME IN SUPPORT IS, IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
UH, AND GIVEN THAT THE ONE PERSON WHO CALLED IN SUPPORT WAS CONDITIONAL AND APPEARS TO AND APPEARS TO BE A SITUATION WHERE THE CONDITION FOR HIS OPPOSITION IS NOT MET BECAUSE HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH THE PROPERTY, UH, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION AND JOIN COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IN RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THEN I'M JUST GONNA, COMMISSIONER, I GET TO MINUTES.
LEMME JUST ASK IF MS. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, IF I JUST MIGHT ASK IF ANYONE ELSE WHO HASN'T SPOKE CAN GET THE OPPORTUNITY FIRST AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
UM, SO I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A LOT OF ELDERLY IN IT.
UM, IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1960S.
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WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY STILL HERE IN OUR EIGHTIES.RARELY DO THEY COME OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, BUT THEY DO ATTEND, UM, BY READING OUR EMAILS.
SO FOR ONE GENTLEMAN TO SHOW UP, I THOUGHT WAS VERY NOBLE OF HIM AND TRYING TO PROTECT HIS RIGHTS.
HOW MANY OTHER, AT 70 OR 80 AREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT? DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TECHNOLOGY TO CALL IN, DON'T HAVE THE MEANS BY WHICH TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL IN OUR ASSOCIATION, DON'T EVEN HAVE A COMPUTER.
THEY CAN'T EVEN ATTEND OUR MEETINGS BY ZOOM.
SO LET'S CONSIDER THAT, THAT NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE ABILITY TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND DO THAT.
WE ARE TAKING AWAY PROPERTY RIGHTS TODAY.
WE'RE RESTRICTING WHAT SOMEBODY CAN DO TODAY.
AND NOW THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL KINDS OF, CAN I, CAN I OR CAN I NOT? I HEARD, UH, JOHN OSTEEN SAY SEVERAL TIMES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM.
OR IT CAN HAVE AS IF THERE'S NOW SOMEBODY LOOKING OVER YOUR PROPERTY AND TELLING YOU SOMETHING DIFFERENT TODAY THAN WHAT YOU KNEW WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO FOR SOME OF THESE.
SO I REALLY ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THOSE WHO DID NOT SPEAK TODAY, AND THERE WERE A LOT MORE, MORE THAN SPOKE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT SAYS A LOT RIGHT THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO RESTRICTING PEOPLE'S RIGHTS TO THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS ANY FURTHER? COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE LAST WORD? YES.
UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CAUTION THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, ALL OF US TO NOT PUT WORDS INTO PEOPLE'S MOUTHS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WHETHER IT'S IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION.
SO WE CAN ONLY TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.
SO ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE FOLKS DID NOT SHOW UP THAT THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S A DANGEROUS, UM, ROAD TO GO DOWN BECAUSE THAT CUTS BOTH DIRECTIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
ALRIGHT, HAVING HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE FOR ITEM 20 WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE.
AND STAFF, BEFORE WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
UH, ACCORDING TO MY CLOCK, IT IS NOW 2 29, SO IF WE COULD TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK TILL 2 34 APPROXIMATELY, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
[6. 21-2570 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700307 ERZD (Council District 10)]
THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS BACK ON THE RECORD AND STAFF, I BELIEVE WILL CONTINUE WITH ITEM NUMBER SIX OF OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING, IF YOU WOULD.ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM N P 10 E R Z D TO R SIX E R RZ LOCATED AT 1 7 2 0 4 JONES MALZBERG ROAD AND 1 7 2 1 0 BOULEVARD ROAD.
42 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR.
TWO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THE CURRENT N P 10 NEIGHBORHOOD PRESERVATION DISTRICT IS IN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED R SIX SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS ALSO APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE ZONING FOR THE AREA BASED ON SURROUNDING LAND USES AND ZONING OF R FIVE.
MP 10 NC TWO STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONING.
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THANK YOU.MIKE ESCALANTE, WE CAN SEE YOU ON THE LINE, SO WE THINK YOU MAY BE MUTED.
THIS C STEVE, THIS IS MICHAEL BARR.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? OH, YES SIR, GO AHEAD.
I THINK HE'S HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND I DON'T HAVE A RE UM, A, A SUMMARIZED REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT I CAN GO AHEAD AND REPORT.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS MICHAEL BARR AND I WORK WITH THE RE IN THE RESOURCE PROTECTION DIVISION OF THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM, UH, REGARDING A ZONING KZ 20 21 0 7 0 0 3 0 7, UM, ALT THREE TRACK DEVELOPMENT, UH, 44.838 ACRES.
UM, SAWS DID AN EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AS WELL AS THE STAFF GEOLOGIST WALKED THE SITE.
UM, THERE ARE NO SENSITIVE GEOLOGIC FEATURES.
THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF FLOODPLAIN IN THE FAR SOUTHEAST CORNER, UM, WHICH WE RECOMMEND, UH, TO BE BUFFERED.
AND OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER SHALL NOT EXCEED 30% FOR THE 44.838 ACRES.
UM, SAUL'S RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS TRACK IF THIS ZONING CASE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE, UH, GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM.
UH, IF YOU'D STAY ON THE LINE FOR QUESTIONS AND IF WE COULD HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT.
PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST.
WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING HERE TODAY IS A REZONING FROM N P 10 TO R SIX.
UH, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A A 55 PLUS OR MINUS ACRE FAMILY FARM OWNED BY THE AU TREES.
THEY ARE TRYING TO SELL THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE RETAINING 10 ACRES WITH THE FAMILY HOME.
AND WE'RE, AND THAT IS WHY WE'RE ONLY REQUESTING TO REZONE 45 ACRES.
UM, THE NICE THING IS THAT THE HOUSE AND THE 10 ACRES THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE SAVING IS THE CLOSEST TO THE REDLAND SPRINGS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF OUR REZONING ACTUALLY HAS A SHARED COMMON BOUNDARY WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH.
ANOTHER NICE FEATURE IS THE, THAT BOUNDARY IS BASICALLY DUE TO TOPOGRAPHY, ALMOST LIKE A, A CLIFF.
SO THE CLOSEST BACKYARD FENCES WE WILL HAVE TO, THAT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD IS PROBABLY ABOUT 160 TO 200 FEET.
UM, WHEN WE WERE LIMITED WITH IMPERVIOUS COVER TO 30% PURSUANT TO THE SAWS RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS A, A GOOD CAP ON THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.
IF THE PROPERTY WERE DEVELOPED AS A SCHOOL OR A CHURCH, THEY COULD HAVE 65% IMPERVIOUS COVER WITH THE CURRENT, UH, ZONING.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
UH, THIS WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT.
UH, NO SIR, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIVE CALLERS OR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, IN LIGHT OF THAT, MR. CHRISTENSEN, I'M NOT GONNA ALLOW YOU TO HAVE ANY REBUTTAL.
UH, WHAT DISTRICT ARE WE IN? UH, UH, COMMISSIONER WATT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.
I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR, FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, DONE SOME PRETTY GOOD RESEARCH ON THIS ONE AND THINK THAT IT'S, UH, FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN LIGHT OF, UH, THE FACT THAT, UH, SAS IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, AND, UH, THE PROJECT REALLY FITS THE AREA.
SO, UH, I'LL OPEN IT UP, UH, THOUGH IF ANY, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I SEE YOUR HAND.
TO SAWS THEY HAVE, AS IT EXISTS, THEY HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT IMPERVIOUS COVER, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
THAT IS COR UH, ACTUALLY IT DEPENDS ON THE LAND USE BECAUSE THIS IS A CATEGORY TWO AND, UH, IT WOULD DEPEND ON LAND USE.
SO, UM, THEY COULD NOT BUILD ABOVE 65%, UH, FOR A COMMERCIAL WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM.
WHY ARE YOU GIVING THEM 30%? WHY ARE YOU LIMITING THEM? I MEAN, LIMITING THEM AT 30? YES.
SO THEY HAVE, YOU'RE SAYING THEY HAVE 65%, BUT YOU'RE LIMITING THEM TO 30.
SO IT'S CATEGORY TWO, AND IT DEPENDS ON LAND USE.
UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY, THEY'RE LIMITED TO 30% IMPERVIOUS COVER.
FOR MULTIFAMILY, THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO 50%.
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THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO 65%.BUT SINCE THEY ARE DOING SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING 30% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
SO IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
SO TO, UM, PATRICK MA, TO YOU, SO IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU STAY AT 30%.
DO YOU NEED MORE THAN 30% IMPERVIOUS COMMISSIONER? WE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS WANT MORE.
HOWEVER, UH, THIS WILL HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL AND IT IS STANDARD THAT SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT RECEIVE A 30% IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITATION.
IT IS STANDARD THAT IT'S, IT'S THE DEVELOPER'S LAND AND I'D LIKE THE DEVELOPER TO GET WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS OUT OF IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A RECOMMENDATION.
SO YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT IN THE FUTURE, BUT THESE ARE ALWAYS RECOMMENDATIONS.
ALL LAND ARE GIVEN CER, UH, MUCH MORE THAN 30%.
SO I WAS SURPRISED AT 30% COMMISSIONER, THIS IS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THE CITY CODE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL PROVIDES FOR 30% IMPERVIOUS COVER RECEIVABLE, FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
SO TO CLARIFY, THAT IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION, THAT IS A CITY CODE REQUIREMENT.
I THINK ANYTHING IS A RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN YOU CAN GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND, AND MAYBE GET MORE THAN THAT.
30% COUNCIL CAN AUTHORIZE, COUNCIL CAN AUTHORIZE MORE, BUT THAT IS THE CODE.
AND, AND THANK YOU MS. GWYNN FOR THAT CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE CODE.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS OR RATHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, THE APPLICANT.
JUST WANTING TO KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
PATRICK, CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY UNITS THIS IS? IS IT GONNA BE A GATED COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AMENITIES, ET YES.
UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT IT BE GATED.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A PUD DESIGNATION.
WE'RE PROPOSING 171 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET.
THERE WILL BE AN H O A, UM, DOES THAT ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER MORE.
I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A SMALL POOL AREA, PLAYGROUND THAT'S, AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE.
ALL THAT FLOODPLAIN WILL BE OPEN.
UM, AND THERE'LL BE OF COURSE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH.
AND JUST THIS IS MORE AGAIN FOR, UM, INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
IS INGRESS EGRESS GONNA BE MORE OFF OF MALTSBERGER OR OFF OF BULVERDE? ALL INGRESS AND EGRESS WILL BE OFF OF JONES MALTSBERGER.
THERE WILL NOT BE ANY INGRESS OR EGRESS OFF OF BULVERDE ROAD.
WE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE A DESAL LANE AND SIDEWALKS ALONG JONES MALBURG.
RIGHT NOW IT'S BASICALLY A, A COUNTRY ROAD ON OUR SIDE.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, SEEING NONE TO YOU.
UH, COMMISSIONERS FOR THE QUESTIONS AND, UH, CLARIFICATIONS.
UM, I, TO ME THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
WE'VE GOT STAFF APPROVAL, WE HAVE SAS APPROVAL.
UH, THE DEVELOPER IS GOOD WITH THE 30% IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UH, I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT THE BUFFER, UM, THERE TO, TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THERE WERE TWO, UH, I GUESS LETTERS SENT IN AN OPPOSITION.
UM, BOTH, UH, COUNCILMAN PERRY'S OFFICE AS WELL AS, UH, PATRICK REACHED OUT TO THOSE FOLKS TO SEE IF WE COULD GET ANY CLARIFICATIONS ON THE REASON THAT THEY WERE OPPOSING IT.
UM, NEVER HEARD BACK, UH, FROM THOSE PEOPLE.
SO AGAIN, I THINK THE PROJECT FITS THE AREA AND, UH, THUS I MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE ITEM SIX.
UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER WHITE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GIBBONS FOR ITEM SIX.
UH, SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
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AYE.[9. 21-1760 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700017 (Council District 2)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, PLEASE.IF YOU WOULD, UH, PRESENT THAT ITEM FOR THE RECORD.
THIS IS JUSTIN MALONE, PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST FOR C THREE NA FROM C THREE NA TO C TWO COMMERCIAL.
LOCATED AT 1803 ASSEMBLING ROAD 21.
NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
RETURN IN FAVOR TO RETURN IN OPPOSITION AND THE DEL CREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED.
THE EXISTING C3 NA BASED ZONING DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED REZONING IS A DOWN ZONE AND REMOVE THE NA NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES RESTRICTION.
IN GENERAL, C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING IS SUITABLE ALONG CORRIDORS AND ACT AS AN ADEQUATE BUFFER TO EXISTING AND SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, THE APPLICANT WOULD PLEASE PRESENT THEIR CASE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS RICARDO PENA.
UM, I'M REPRESENTING THE, UH, BUSINESS WHO'S TRYING TO REMOVE THE NA TO DEVELOP A GAS STATION THERE TO SERVE ALCOHOL AS WELL.
THERE WILL BE NO ONSITE CONSUMPTION ON SITE.
THERE'S ALSO, WE, WE HEARD EVERY, EVERY OPPOSITION AND THE CONCERNS OF SOME ALCOHOL FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ALSO DID DO LIKE A DRIVE BY AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S ALREADY SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DO SERVE ALCOHOL.
THERE'S ALSO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY TO OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY ZONE C TWO, WHICH WE ARE AIMING FOR.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY.
WE WILL BEGIN PLAYING THE VOICEMAIL.
I AM THE DEL CREST AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
DANA ACTING, UH, PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY.
I LIVE AT 48 11 DEL CREST, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO TWO ZERO.
MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 232-7484.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A LIVE COMMENT, UH, FOR TWO MINUTES.
UH, FOR THE, UH, CASE NUMBER Z 20 21 7 0 1 7.
AND THE ADDRESS FOR THAT ZONING CHANGE IS 1 8 0 3 ROAD.
I LIVE AT 4 9 4 6 BERNADINE DRIVE.
I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE DEL CREST AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I'M CALLING IN RESPONSE TO Z 2 21.
I AM DEFINITELY NOT IN FAVOR OF THE REZONING OF THAT PROPERTY.
AT 1 8 0 3 INGER RET HAS ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH VA HANGING OUT AT LOCAL SERVICE STATIONS WHO SELL ALCOHOL EVEN THOUGH THEY CLAIM THAT THEY CAN'T CONSUME ALCOHOL ON THE PROPERTY.
WE AS SENIOR CITIZENS DON'T NEED TO BE, UH, STRESSED OUT, AFRAID TO BE IN OUR OWN HOMES BY THESE PEOPLE MILLING AROUND.
WE'VE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WALKING AROUND NOW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND, AND WE, WE NEED TO FEEL SAFE IN OUR HOMES.
AND MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 337-7485.
I LIVE AT 1 0 5 MARINO STREET.
I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM NINE, CASE 0 1 7.
I'M OPPOSED TO THE REZONING FOR ALCOHOL SALES AT 1803 SIM THIS IDEA THAT IT IS ONLY A GAS STATION.
SELLING ALCOHOL IS A BIT NAIVE.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS ONLY A GAS STATION ANYMORE.
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STATIONS THAT CHECK YOUR OIL AND HAVE SOME GUM FOR SALE.THESE ARE NOT JUST PLACES TO GET CIGARETTES AND LOTTO TICKETS EITHER.
NEW GAS STATIONS ARE MEGA SIZED AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE STORE SALE, NOT THE GAS SALES.
SO THEY HAVE DOZENS OF PUMPS YOU CAN SPEND A LONG TIME BUYING INSIDE.
THESE GAS STATIONS ATTRACT MANY CUSTOMERS 24 HOURS A DAY.
THE PROBLEM IS ANY LUCRATIVE STORE LIKE THIS NEAR INTERSTATE ATTRACTS HOMELESS AND PANHANDLER NOT TOO FAR AWAY.
ON, ON ON FOUR 10 IS SUCH A STORE UP HERE IN VITAL.
AND THE HOMELESS POPULATION IN THE AREA HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY.
A BUSY STORE THAT SELLS ALCOHOL IS CONVENIENT TO COLLECT HANDOUTS FOR FOOD AND USE IT TO BUY BEER.
SURE THEY HAVE SECURITY AT THE STORE, BUT THAT STOPS AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEY'RE HANGING OUT IN THE NEARBY PARK OR CHURCH PARKING LOT OR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS NA DESIGNATION FOR NO ALCOHOL WAS THERE FOR A REASON AND SHOULD STAY COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT R FIVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
THERE'S NO SITE PLAN AND THE NEXT CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, INCLUDING A LIQUOR STORE WITH C2 DESIGNATION.
PLEASE MOTION AND VOTE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.
MY NAME IS MARLENE HAWKINS, 6 0 1 EAST CARSON GOVERNMENT HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
I'M CALLING IN OPPOSITION TO NUMBER NINE ON YOUR AGENDA.
JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, COMMERS, YOU WORKED WITH GOVERNMENT HILL ON THE SIMILAR ISSUE.
YOU RECOGNIZE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES OF THE GAS STATION FUMES THAT CAN GO OUT FROM THE STATION UP TO 900 OR A THOUSAND FEET.
YOU VOTED AGAINST GRANTING C TWO ZONING AND PROTECTED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES.
NOW ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS ISSUE TO DO THE SAME THING FOR ANOTHER.
THE CHEMICAL BENZENE THAT IS PUT OUT BY GAS STATION STORAGE, TANKS AND VENT.
THE VENT THAT RISES ABOVE THE STATION IS A CANCER CAUSING AGENT.
AND IT'S ESPECIALLY AFFECT, UH, AFFECTS YOUNG CHILDREN, BUT IT HAS OTHER HEALTH EFFECTS ALSO WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE LUNG DI UH, DISEASES LIKE C L P D AND ASTHMA.
THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION THERE IS SAID THERE IS NO SAFE LEVEL OF BENZENE EXPOSURE.
A 2018 STUDY BY THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH, SIGNIFICANT LEVELS OF BENZENE, UH, AT 516 FEET TO CAUSE HEALTH AND SAFETY, UH, ISSUES HAVE BEEN MEASURED.
E P A HAS SIMILAR FINDINGS IN THEIR STUDY BESIDES CANCER.
BENZENE, IT CAUSES ADVERSE EFFECTS WITH ANEMIAS INFECTIONS, LOW BIRTH WEIGHT, AND IF A PREGNANT WOMAN IS EXPOSED DURING HER EARLY STAGES, THE NEURAL TUBE CAN BE DAMAGED.
THE NEURAL TUBE BECOMES THE BRAIN AND SPINAL CORD.
AND THEREFORE THE BABY CAN BE BORN DEFECT.
PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS ISSUE AND HELP SAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD FROM HEALTH AND SAFETY DAMAGE.
I'M CALLING BEHALF OF, UH, DANA AT DEL CREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, IT'S REGARDING ZONING CASE V 2021 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 0 0 1 7, UH, 1803 LANGER ROAD.
UM, I'M CALLING IN OPPOSITION OF THAT GAS STATION BEING PRESENTED AT THAT, UH, PARTICULAR LOCATION, UH, DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S TOO CLOSE TO CHURCHES.
UH, THE SENIORS IN THAT AREA ARE NOT, UM, IN, THEY'RE NOT, UM, THEY'RE IN OPPOSITION TO THAT AND IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEREFORE, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, SPOKEN WITH THE, UH, THE, THE REAL ESTATE PERSON REPRESENTING THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS, UH, REACHED OUT TO THEM.
BUT THEY HAD REQUESTED A MEETING WITH THE OWNER, UH, TO FIND OUT MORE DETAILS, AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
THEREFORE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AT THIS POINT ARE IN OPPOSITION, UH, TO HAVING THAT GAS STATION WITH ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, UM, UH, BE SOLD AT THAT LOCATION.
I BELIEVE IT'S A C THREE AND THEY WANTED A C TWO SO THEY COULD, UH, SERVE, UH, BE ABLE TO, UH, SELL ALCOHOL AND, UH, THEY'RE IN OPPOSITION TO THAT.
THAT WAS ALL OF THE VOICEMAILS THAT WE DID HEAR THAT REQUEST FOR LIVE COLOR.
AND SO WE HAVE MS. FRANKLIN ON THE LINE FOR THE LIVE CALL.
I WAS GONNA INQUIRE ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO IF WE CAN HAVE MS. FRANKLIN PLEASE.
UM, MS. FRANKLIN IS AVAILABLE.
MS. FRANKLIN, IF YOU WOULD PROCEED
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AND PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.MS. FRANKLIN, IF YOU WOULD JUST TELL US, UH, WHAT YOUR OPINION IS ON THE PROJECT AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN HERE.
UM, UH, MYSELF AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN OPPOSITION, UH, TO THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
MS. FRANKLIN, IF YOU JUST PROCEED AND TELL US YOUR OPINION.
MYSELF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED ZONING FOR, UH, FOR THE FOLLOWING FEW REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, IMPROPER PROTOCOL WITH DANA DEL CREST AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WE REQUEST FROM THE HARD NUMBER ZONING PURPOSE.
UH, IT'S FOR A GAS STATION, NO ALCOHOL SALES.
OKAY? YES, MS. FRANKLIN, PLEASE CONTINUE.
ZONING, UH, THE ZONING BORDERS NINE HOMES ASSEMBLY, WHICH IS NOT GOOD.
ALCOHOL SALES ARE A HARMFUL NUISANCE AND DANGER TO THE FAMILIES, RETIREES, AND 900 LONG-TERM HOMEOWNERS.
UH, WE WANT QUALITY OF LIFE, INTEGRITY AND QUIETNESS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, THE VAS AND HOMELESS HANG AND CAMP OUT IN FRONT OF THE GAS STATIONS HARASSING PATRONS AND NEIGHBORS.
UH, SOMETIMES THESE OWNERS DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
THIS FALLS ON THE SAFE OFFICER AND THE RESIDENTS.
THREE POPULAR CHURCHES ON SYM PLUS A GAS STATION INCREASES TRAFFIC.
SIMILAR IS ALREADY MARKED FOR RUNNING, WALKING, AND A BIKE ROUTE FOR ALL AGES, INCLUDING SENIORS FOOTING BIKE USERS, ADJUSTING TO ENTERING AND EXITING FROM A GAS STATION.
NUMBER FIVE, OKAY, PARK DOWN THE STREET FROM GER.
SOME PEOPLE WERE PURCHASED AT ALCOHOL.
THEY'LL GO AND DRINK IN THE LARGE PROVISION AND BALLPARK IN THE BACK CAUSING CHAOS AND TRASHING CONDITIONS.
PARK POLICE HAVE TO BE CALLED, OR THEY HAVE TO MONITOR THAT PARK FOR 38, FOR 30 MINUTES FOR VIOLATORS.
WE ALSO HAVE A SPEEDY EXIT RAMP.
ONCE YOU EXIT THAT RAMP AND TRY TO GET THE STREET LEADING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A CHALLENGE.
THAT ZONING IS RIGHT NEXT TO UBER STREET AND EVERY MAJOR POINT IN DEL CREST HAS A GAS STATION.
WE ALREADY HAVE SIX IMMEDIATE GAS STATIONS IN IMMEDIATE AREA.
DANA, WE WELCOME ANY SMALL BUSINESSES.
BUT NO, THANK YOU MS. FRANKLIN.
IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JUST HOLD, HOLD ON THE LINE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR MS. FRANKLIN? UH, I DON'T SEE ANY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. FRANKLIN FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENDANCE HERE TODAY.
UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. PENA, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE, UH, TWO MINUTES OR REBUTTAL.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS CONCERNS OF ATTRACTING MORE HOMELESS TOWARDS THAT PARK, WHICH, THAT PARK IS A GOOD DISTANCE AWAY AND THERE'S ALREADY A GAS STATION THAT'S IN CLOSER PROXIMITY TO THAT PARK, AND I DON'T SEE OURS AFFECTING IT MORE THAN THAT GAS STATION.
OUR BUILDING WILL ALSO BE FACING LOOP FOUR 10 AND HAVING ENTRANCE FROM LOOP FOUR 10 AND NOT GER ROAD.
UM, WE ALSO PLAN ON DOING A RESTAURANT AS WELL FOR FAMILIES AND PROVIDING MORE FOOD TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE NOT THERE REALLY JUST TO FOCUS ON ALCOHOL.
UM, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA HAVE SECURITY, SECURITY LIGHTS, SECURITY CAMERAS, AND JUST COVER ALL OUR BASES TO MAKE SURE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD'S SAFE AND FEELS SAFE.
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SITE THAT HAS THE NA ZONING ON THAT STRIP.THERE'S TWO OTHER SITES DOWN THE ROAD THAT ARE VACANT ABOUT TWO ACRES ALSO THAT ARE ZONED C TWO AND C THREE, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR A GAS STATION.
SOMEBODY COULD JUST GO PURCHASE IT AND DEVELOP ONE.
RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK, UM, WE'RE JUST ASKING TO GET THE SAME ZONING AS THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT FALL IN LINE WITH OURS.
THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE, UH, COMMISSIONER, DR.
UM, DID YOU, DID YOU, WERE YOU CONTACTED BY THE DIFFERENT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS? BECAUSE WHEN I TALKED TO, UH, AT LEAST MS. FRANKLIN AND GOT A LETTER FROM THE, UH, OTHER HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, THEY SAID THEY COULD, THEY THAT THEY COULDN'T GET A MEETING.
I DID SPEAK TO ANITA AND ANITA DID NOT REQUEST, UM, IN PERSON MEETING WITH THE OWNER.
SO ONLY THING SHE REQUESTED WAS THE SITE PLAN, WHICH THE ENGINEERS ARE DRAWING UP RIGHT NOW, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT QUITE FINISHED WITH IT.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WE DIDN'T PROVIDE IT TO HER.
BUT SHE NEVER REQUESTED AN ACTUAL MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER.
SHE JUST REQUESTED THE SITE PLAN, AND I DID SPEAK TO ANITA.
WELL, THE, THE, HER ANITA, UH, FRANKLIN AND THE OTHER, UM, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS THAT, THAT TIER ONE, DID YOU SEE THE LETTER THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO TRY TO SEE A SITE PLAN AND I DID NOT SEE THAT LETTER THAT WAS NOT SENT TO ME.
WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHO IT WAS SENT TO, UH, BUT WHEN I, WELL, I USED TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I, I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, AND 'CAUSE THE MAIN CONCERN WAS WAS, WAS THE ENTRANCE GONNA BE ON FOUR 10 WITH THE ADDRESS BEING ON SLINGER? IT, IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO TRY TO PUT THAT ENTRANCE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
SO, UM, MY WOULD WOULD, WOULD THE OWNER BE WILLING TO, UM, UH, ACCEPT A CONTINUANCE SO THEY, SO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS CAN REVIEW THE SITE PLANS AND ASSURE THEM THAT THERE'S ENOUGH BUFFER ON SLINGER AND THAT THE ENTRANCE IS ON FOUR 10 ONLY? YES, I CAN SPEAK TO THE OWNERS, UM, AND GET THAT SITE PLAN PREPARED OR TO THE DEVELOPERS.
AND, AND, AND JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE WHAT I SAID, I DID RECEIVE THAT TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, LETTER, BUT THAT WAS JUST THIS MORNING FROM JUSTIN BEFORE THIS MORNING.
I DID NOT RECEIVE THAT LETTER.
'CAUSE YES, I JUST GOT IT THIS MORNING TOO.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHO THEY SENT IT TO.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A MOOT POINT BECAUSE HAVING THAT GAS STATION ON, YOU KNOW, OPEN UP ON SIMILAR IS PROBABLY, UM, THE BIGGEST POINT OF CONTENTION.
UM, I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
I'LL, I'LL, UH, UH, CHAIRMAN BUSANTE IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER O'NEAL? UH, YEAH, THANK YOU TO STAFF.
SO THE CURRENT ZONING, UH, C THREE NA IS, UM, IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SORRY, IS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME? OR? NO, IT WAS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, IT WOULD BE, UH, IT WOULD NEED REGIONAL COMMERCIAL FOR T THREE.
AND EVEN IF THEY, IF THEY JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE NA OFF OF THE C THREE, THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT, EVEN JUST REMOVING THE NA, CORRECT? CORRECT.
MIDDLE, UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MCGEE? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BUSANTE.
SO YOU MENTIONED A RESTAURANT, SO IS THAT LIKE A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, A, UM, SIT DOWN AND DINE IN RESTAURANT? YES, MA'AM.
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SO IT'LL BE CONNECTED TO THE GAS STATION.
SO, UM, SO WHAT KIND OF, UH, GAS, IS IT A LARGE AREA? HOW MANY PUMPS ARE WE TALKING? HOW BIG OF A, A STORE? IS IT LIKE A TINY CONVENIENCE STORE? IS IT A HUGE CO MID, MID-SIZE CONVENIENCE STORE? AND HOW MANY GAS PUMPS? IT WOULD BE A MID-SIZE CONVENIENCE STORE.
GAS PUMPS WOULD BE FIVE GAS PUMPS.
SO THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A QUICK TRIP OR A MEGA, I I KNOW SOMEBODY HAD SAID A MEGA GAS STATION, SO THIS IS NOT, THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT GROUP, WHICH THEY'LL PROBABLY BRAND IT AS A CHEVRON VALERO OR SHELL.
AND, AND DOES IT SERVE AS, UH, TRUCKS, LIKE BIG TRUCKS OR JUST, UH, REGULAR? UH, NO, IT'S NOT GONNA, NOT GONNA BE A TRUCK STOP HOURS OF OPERATION.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA, WELL, THE RESTAURANT'S NOT GONNA BE OPEN 24 HOURS, BUT THE GAS STATION WILL BE.
AND, UM, SO, SO THE, I LITERALLY CAN SEE PRACTICALLY RIGHT OVER THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO YES, COMING OFF OF, UM, THE FOUR 10, THAT ECKER IS RIGHT THERE.
IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A HIGH TENSION SPOT
SO, UM, UH, ANY CONSIDERATIONS ON HELPING WITH THE TRAFFIC FROM, UM, EXITING FOUR 10 WITH THE PROXIMITY OF WHERE YOUR, UH, BUSINESS WOULD BE? UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT, BUT WE ARE REVIEWING THAT.
UM, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA CONSIDER MAKING IT SAFE FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE HAVE NOT YET HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT, MA'AM.
AND THEN, UM, DEFINITELY THOSE HOUSES ARE RIGHT THERE.
AND DEFINITELY AS THEY SAID, WE WALK UP AND DOWN THOSE STREETS, YOU KNOW, IT'S HIGH, IT'S A HIGH HIGHLY, UH, TRAFFICKED BY PEDESTRIANS AND, UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE BIKE LANE, AND SO REALLY THE HOUSES ARE LITERALLY RIGHT THERE.
AND SO I CHOOSE WHICH SIDE I WANNA WALK ON.
AND SO HOW WOULD YOU PRESERVE, UH, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS TO PRESERVE, UM, THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S SO INVASIVE FOR THE, UM, THE GAS STATION AND THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SHOULD I SAY? WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT AND WE ARE CONSIDERING JUST MAKING ONE ENTRANCE FROM FOUR 10 AND MAYBE FENCING IN THE BACK PART ON GER, SO WE WON'T HAVE CARS ENTERING AND EXITING FROM THERE.
UM, THAT'S A CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO KIND OF MAKE IT SAFE.
PEDESTRIANS, ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES A FENCE SO THAT WE'RE NOT WALKING BY A, UH, A GAS STATION OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T LOOKING RIGHT INTO SEEING ALL THE CARS AND, UH, PATRONS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT? WELL, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE IN THE FRONT.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING ANY PUMPS IN THE BACK TOWARDS THE GER ROAD.
ALL THE PUMPS ARE GONNA BE CLOSER TO FOUR 10.
SO ALL THE VEHICLES AND THE PEDESTRIANS ARE GONNA BE ON THE FRONT SIDE, WHICH THE BUILDING WILL BE FACING, WHICH WOULD BE AWAY FROM ALL THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
BUT NO CONSIDERATION OF LIKE A SOLID FENCE OR LANDSCAPING, UM, AT ALL.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE SOME NICE LANDSCAPING OUT THERE, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE A SOLID WALL OUT THERE, I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, JUST CONSIDERING THE COST OF IT, BUT I COULD RUN THAT BY THEM.
THEY WERE JUST PLANNING ON DOING JUST A REGULAR FENCE TO KEEP PEOPLE GOING FROM IN AND OUT OF THAT BACK ROAD OH.
SO CURRENTLY THE C THREE NA, UM, DEFINITELY WHAT THAT, THAT ALLOWS, UM, THE GAS STATIONS EVIDENTLY.
AND IT'S NO RESTRICTIONS ON NUMBER OF PUMPS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE ONLY RESTRICTION THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO REMOVE IS THE NA SO THAT THEY CAN SELL, UH, BEER AND WINE.
OH, WAIT, NO, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
THE, THE, UM, SO, UM, WHEN, WHEN DID Y'ALL, UH, FILE THIS, UM, CASE SIR? UM, TO THE MR. PENA? UM, I BELIEVE THIS CASE WAS FILED LAST FEBRUARY, IF I'M NOT MM-HMM.
YOU DIDN'T MAKE ANY OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT TIMEFRAME?
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SO ME PERSONALLY, I DIDN'T CONTACT EACH AND EVERYBODY.I DID, I'M THE ONE WHO REACHED OUT TO ANITA.
UM, I DID REACH OUT TO ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO HAD OPPOSITION AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO ME, SO I COULDN'T REALLY HEAR HIS CASE, UM, AND THE OTHER OPPOSITION.
SO I JUST, EVERYTHING'S, WE'VE JUST BEEN RECEIVING IT THIS PAST COUPLE DAYS.
AND, AND, AND Y'ALL DIDN'T THINK THAT YOU NEEDED A SITE PLAN OKAY.
A SITE PLAN BEFORE THEN TO PRESENT TO THE NEIGHBORS TO GET, UM, GARNER SUPPORT? WELL, APPARENTLY, UM, I'M, I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE IT READY HERE SOON.
THERE WAS JUST SOME MISTAKES ON THERE THAT THE ENGINEER MADE, UM, WHICH WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ACCURATE TO PRESENT.
UM, WE DIDN'T WANNA PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT GONNA BE BUILT OR EXACTLY BUILT THE WAY WE WANTED TO.
UH, QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
SO STAFF, IF YOU COULD GIVE US A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS THEN, UM, IF WE, WE REMOVE THE NA AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE GAS STATION COMPONENT SUPPOSEDLY WILL NOT ALLOW ON SITE, UH, DRINKING OF BEVERAGES.
IF THEY ADD A RESTAURANT ADDITION TO THAT, WILL THE RESTAURANT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHAT THE GAS STATION WANTS OR IS THE RESTAURANT GET THEIR OWN C OF O AND THEY CAN DO, UH, ALCOHOL ON PREMISE IF THEY WANT? RIGHT.
THEY HAVE TO GET THEIR OWN CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, SO THEY WOULD NEED TO GET THEIR OWN LICENSE AS WELL, AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT IF THERE'S AN NA RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY.
MY POINT GOES TO MR. PENA HAS SAID THE GAS STATION WOULD NOT ALLOW ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION, BUT IF THERE IS A RESTAURANT WITH A SEPARATE C OF O, THAT RESTAURANT COULD ALLOW ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.
AND THEN SECOND THING, JOY MENTIONED THE WORD TRUCK STOPS.
SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUST THE GAS STATION OR MAKING IT INTO A MEGA TRUCK STOP WITH DIESEL AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO A TRUCK STOP USE IS ALLOWED IN AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, SO THAT'S A TRUCK STOP OR LAUNDRY FULL MECHANICAL SERVICE AND REPAIR PERMITTED.
AND SO THAT'S ONLY ALLOWED IN AN I ONE.
UM, ALSO JUST THE GENERAL TRUCK STOP OR LAUNDRY, TIRE REPAIR PERMITTED WOULD NEED TO BE ALSO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AN L WITH AN SS FOR A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS, A TRUCK STOP IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE C THREE.
BUT, OKAY, SO, AND IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THE C2 EITHER THEN? CORRECT.
UM, AND, AND DID I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE AWAITING A PLAN AMENDMENT OR NEED A PLAN AMENDMENT? NO, THERE'S NO NEED FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY C THREE AND A, IT CAN BE DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL, BUT IT DOES HAVE THE ALCOHOL RESTRICTION.
WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS A DOWN ZONE TO A C2 TO A A JUST COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT REQUIRES A PLAN THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PLAN AMENDMENT BECAUSE THE EXISTING LAND USE IS ALREADY COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
SO, ALRIGHT, LEMME ASK THE QUESTION THIS WAY AND, AND I UNDERSTAND ADDRESSING HERE GETS US ALL A LITTLE CRAZY RIGHT NOW.
THE ADDRESS IS SHOWING SIMILAR, BUT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF LOOP FOUR 10.
IF THE SITUATION WERE REVERSED AND THEY WERE GONNA HAVE INGRESS EGRESS OFF OF SIMER ACROSS FROM RESIDENTIAL HOMES, WOULD STAFF STILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL? UM, SO THE EN ENTRANCE FOR COMMERCIAL USES CANNOT BE ON A LOCAL STREET, SO, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED.
JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF IDEA ABOUT HOW ADDRESSING WORKS.
THIS IS JUST THE ADDRESS FOR NOW THAT IS ASSIGNED TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S VACANT ADDRESSES PRIOR, PRIOR TO THE CITY TAKING IT OVER.
USED TO BE, UH, MANAGED BY C P SS.
UM, BUT ADDRESSES CAN CHANGE, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF AN OWNER.
AND SO IF THEIR FRONTAGE AND IF ALL OF THEIR, UH, POINT OF ENTRY
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OR, UM, HOW THEY WANT PEOPLE TO FIND IT IS GONNA BE OFF OF NORTH, OFF OF LOOP FOUR 10, THEN THEY WILL CHANGE THEIR ADDRESS TO LOOP FOUR 10.UM, BUT AGAIN, IF THE STREET IS NOT IMPROVED TO A MAN, A MANNER TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL USES, IT WILL NEED TO BE, UH, REGARDLESS OF ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ACCESS ON EMER.
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY IF THE, IF, UH, MY COLLEAGUES AGREED TO DOWN ZONE THIS TO C TWO, IS THERE ANY WAY TO RESTRICT NO INGRESS OR EGRESS TO THIS PROPERTY OFF OF SIM? NO MA'AM.
THIS IS NOT A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
ALRIGHT, UH, YES, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGILL COME BACK TO YOU, BUT I'M GONNA ASK A FEW QUESTIONS FIRST, AND IF ANYONE ELSE HAS A FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO GET THEIR INPUT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU COMMISSIONER MCGEE.
UM, SO STEPH, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW, LANGER, IF IT'S A LOCAL WORLD, YOU COULDN'T HAVE ACCESS OFF THE COMMERCIAL.
DO WE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT SIMER IS A COMMERCIAL ROAD? AND IN PARTICULAR, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THREE, UH, LOTS DOWN WHERE THERE'S APPEARS TO BE A HOLIDAY EXPRESS THAT C THREE THAT DOES APPEAR TO HAVE ACCESS ON BOTH, UH, SIMER AND FOUR 10? EXACTLY.
WELL, I THE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR, THE STREET SLANER IS A, UH, LOCAL STREET AND THEN OF COURSE FOUR 10 HIGHWAY IS A HIGHWAY.
SO I I, I GUESS IF YOU COULD EXPOUND ON YOUR QUESTION, WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW, THEY TECHNICALLY YES, THEY COULD HAVE ACCESS OFF OF BOTH.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL ALL I REALLY CARED ABOUT EV EVERYTHING ELSE WAS NOISE.
UM, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES.
UM, SO I, I JUST, JUST CLARIFYING WITH STAFF.
SO IF WE TAKE OFF THE NA AND EVEN THOUGH, UM, TODAY THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROPERTY OWNER IS DESIRING TO DO A GAS STATION, THAT MEANS THAT IF IT, IT CHANGED HANDS, IT, IT COULD BE ALCOHOL SERVING NO MATTER WHAT BUSINESS THAT COMES IN THAT C TWO, UM, IS THAT CORRECT FOR FU FOR FUTURE IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING? ZONING, YES.
IF THE NA IS REMOVED, THAT, THAT'S APPLICABLE TO ANY BUSINESS THAT GOES ONTO THE PROPERTY.
UH, BUT I DO WANT JUST TO CLARIFY THAT IN THIS REQUEST, THEY'RE NOT JUST ASKING FOR THE, FOR THE C THE NA TO BE REMOVED, THEY'RE ALSO ASKING TO DOWN ZONE TO A C2.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? AND I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA ASK ONE MORE QUESTION TO STAFF TO YOU.
UH, CAN YOU REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION AS TO WHAT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN NA AND R IS? THE EASIEST WAY TO REMEMBER IS NA IS YOU CAN'T, UH, DRINK IT ONSITE AND R IS TO GO.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, SORRY, I'M, NOW I GONNA ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.
IF THEY WERE TO HAVE SAY, YOU KNOW, A POPEYE'S, MCDONALD'S, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE THEY WOULDN'T SERVE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, PERHAPS THE R WOULD BE A BETTER DESIGNATION, UH, THAN THE LACK OF ANY RESTRICTION AT ALL.
UH, C UH, C R IS NOT AN OPTION FOR A C2.
IT WOULD ONLY BE AN OPTION FOR THE C3.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER JONES? UM, I, I'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT OF OPPOSITION, UH, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF A PLAN OF THE PLAN.
UH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SEE THE SITE PLAN AND SO WITH THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
SO I MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE, UH, FOR AT LEAST FOUR WEEKS.
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OKAY.THERE'S A CONT THERE'S A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE MAY 4TH MEETING.
UM, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ROMERO.
THERE IS A MOTION AND A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE MAY 4TH MEETING BY COMMISSIONER JONES, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER O'NEAL.
ANY DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? I THINK IT'S A WISE MOVE.
I APPRECIATE DELL CREST COMING OUT AND GIVING THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, I DON'T THINK A GAS STATION NECESSARILY IS, UM, A MAGNET FOR TROUBLE.
UM, COULD BE ALL KINDS OF OTHER STORES WE NEVER KNOW.
UM, SO I'D LIKE THE GAS STATION.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE CORRECT SITE FOR IT SINCE THE BASE IS FOUR 10.
BUT I LIKE THE APPLICANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT HIS, HIS, UH, SITE PLAN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT BETTER AS THE COMMISSIONER HAS, UH, SOUGHT THAT OUT.
UM, THAT'S ALWAYS A BETTER WAY TO MAKE COMMUNITIES HAPPEN.
UM, BUT I DON'T SEE, I SEE A HOTEL THAT LOOKS VERY DECENT AND, UM, A MOTOR BANK NEXT DOOR.
VERY DECENT, VERY NICE END OF END OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, I MEAN WE'RE ALL KIND OF DEALING WITH OUR OWN ISSUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WITH ALL KINDS OF LITTLE CRIMES AND, AND AND SUCH.
UM, SO I FEEL FOR DEL DEL CREST, BUT I DON'T WANNA JUST SAY THAT IT'S A GAS STATION THAT CAUSES THAT.
MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S, IT'S NOT OUR GAS STATIONS, BUT THANKS FOR DOING THAT COMMISSIONER.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WISE MOVE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YEAH, I, I DEFER TO COMMISSIONER JONES ON WHICH HE'S HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M HEARING SOME OPPOSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORS NO MATTER WHICH WAY THIS GAS STATION IS FACING.
SO I JUST, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA BE GIVING THE MESSAGE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT WELL AS LONG AS THEY, YOU KNOW, SHOW YOU THAT THEY'RE GONNA TURN IT AROUND AND FACE FOUR 10, WE'RE EXPECTING YOU TO BE OKAY WITH IT.
'CAUSE I REALLY, I REALLY WASN'T HEARING THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT I, WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS HEARING.
SO THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE ARE HEARING EVERYTHING THEY'RE SAYING, SO, AND THANK YOU TO THE NEIGHBORS FOR, FOR, UM, HELPING US UNDERSTAND THEIR SITUATION THERE.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR CONTINUANCE TO MAY 4TH BY COMMISSIONER JONES WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROME.
UH, MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO FIVE FOUR PASSES BY A VOTE OF 10 TO ZERO.
IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL ITEM, PLEASE.
[13. 21-2626 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700023 (Council District 3)]
13.ITEM 13 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE NA TO C THREE.
ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 38 22 PLEASANTON ROAD.
FIVE NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION.
AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THE CURRENT C THREE NA GENERAL COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED THREE WOULD, OH, IT, YEAH, IT'S GETTING THERE.
I THINK MICHAEL'S WORKING ON LOADING IT UP.
UM, BUT THE PROPOSED C THREE WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY AND WOULD ALLOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT THE EXISTING BUSINESS.
STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE REQUESTED CHANGE WOULD ONLY REMOVE RESTRICTION ON ALCOHOL SALES ON A SPECIFIC PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, SIR.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN PRESENT YOUR CASE.
UH, 38 22 PLEASANTON ROAD IS A BUSINESS ADDRESS.
UH, MY HOME ADDRESS IS, UH, 1 2 4 1 9 CORNERVIEW DRIVE.
IF YOU WOULD TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT PLEASE.
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UH, ZONING COMMISSION.UM, AGAIN, UH, I AM JUST, UH, ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION TO, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, UH, C OF O THIS WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, AN OLD GOODWILL THAT TURNED INTO SEVEN YEARS AGO.
IT TURNED INTO A GUADALUPE LUMBER COMPANY, UM, TRYING TO, HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, TRYING TO BRING, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE INTO THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, IT FAILED.
AND ACROSS THE STREET THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WALMART ALSO CLOSED DOWN, UH, TWO LARGE FACILITIES THAT HAD BEEN SITTING HERE VACANT.
UH, I TOOK IT OVER APPROXIMATELY, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UH, I TURNED IT INTO AN EVENT CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, FOR, AGAIN, WEDDINGS, DEBUTS, UH, CELEBRATIONS, UH, CORPORATE EVENTS HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE SOUTH SIDE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND SO FORTH.
SO WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT, IT WAS GREAT.
WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO GET GOING AND, AND PANDEMIC HIT.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN OBVIOUSLY BEEN STRUGGLING, UH, TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A, A LOCK LEASE THAT WE'VE HIT HERE FOR FIVE YEARS NOW.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, CURRENT, UM, UH, BG LICENSE I'M REQUESTING JUST, I, I SUBMITTED MEETS AND BOUNDS JUST FOR A VERY SMALL CONCESSIONS PART OF IT THAT WE SELL RIGHT NOW.
WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE A FOOD LICENSE, WHICH WE SELL, UH, PREPACKAGED AND, AND, UH, HOT FOODS AND, AND, UH, COLD DRINKS AND SODAS, WATER, STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT WE DON'T CONTROL THE ALCOHOL AND WE JUST FEEL KIND OF WORRIED BECAUSE, UH, I DO HAVE, UH, FIVE OTHER LOCATIONS ALL WITHIN, UH, THE SAME AREA AND DISTRICT, UH, JUST A FEW MINUTES FROM EACH OTHER.
UM, I AM, UM, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBER HERE, UH, VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT ON OUR CONCESSIONS, THIS IS THE ONLY LOCATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE NO CONTROL OF THE ALCOHOL.
SO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY CAN BRING IN THEIR ALCOHOL AND, YOU KNOW, THEY BRING IN THEIR BOTTLES AND THEIR ALCOHOL AND WE NEED TO, WE JUST FEEL WORRIED BECAUSE WE STILL TAKE THE LIABILITY THROUGH OUR GENERAL ED.
WE STILL TAKE THEIR, THE RISK FACTOR OF THEM LEAVING AND US BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
ALTHOUGH OUR SECURITY AND EVERYTHING, WE TRY TO ENFORCE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
WE CAN ONLY ENFORCE IT SO MUCH BECAUSE WE CANNOT HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE ALCOHOL.
UH, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING FOR A, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA APPLY FOR A MIXED BEVERAGE.
WE DON'T WANT NO LIQUOR, JUST, UH, UH, JUST, UH, BEER AND WINE JUST SO IT CAN ACCOMPANY WHEN WE HAVE PRIVATE EVENTS AS FAR AS WEDDINGS.
AND THERE IS THAT WAY WE CAN BE ABLE TO SELL IN OUR CONCESSIONS AREA.
AGAIN, I SUBMITTED MEETS AND BOUNDS JUST FOR THE BARRIO, NOT FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
MR. LOPEZ, UM, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR.
NO PUBLIC COMMENT? NO LIGHT CALLERS.
UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE, COMMISSIONER MCGEE.
COMMISSIONER BUSER MONTE, UM, TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO, SO OUT OF THE WHOLE VIC SENATE OF THE WHOLE, UM, CENTER, IS THAT YOU'LL BE SELLING, UM, THE ALCOHOL FROM THE OUTLINE PORTION I SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN? OR IS IT THAT THEY COULD PURCHASE IT HERE AND CONSUME IT? OTHER PARTS OF THE BUILDING OR, OR HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ONE FACILITY.
THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 45,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, IT'S AN OPEN AREA, OF COURSE, UH, NOT, NOT INCLUDING LIKE THE RESTROOMS AND THE WAREHOUSE AREA AND STUFF, BUT IT'S A, IT'S QUITE A BIT OF LARGE AREA.
SO THAT IS JUST A CONCESSIONS AREA.
AND THEN THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD TAKE IT OVER TO THEIR SEAT AND, AND SIT DOWN WITHIN THE BUILDING.
BUT WE WOULD ONLY, WE WOULDN'T ALLOW THEM TO TAKE IT OUT AT THAT POINT, OBVIOUSLY, UH, UNDER T A B C LAW AND THE PG, THEY CAN DO ON OR OFF-PREMISE.
BUT THE WAY I, UH, HAVE OUR HOUSE RULES OR OUR BUSINESS RULES IS THAT NOTHING GOES OUT.
UH, EVEN IF THE STATE ALLOWS YOU TO GO OUT, IT'S JUST WITHIN OUR BUSINESS, WE, UH, THAT'S HOW WE CAN BE ABLE TO CONTROL.
BUT WHEN WE DON'T, UH, CONTROL THEM BRINGING IT IN, THEN WE CAN'T CONTROL THEM TAKING IT OUT.
AND, AND WE JUST FEEL THAT IT'S MUCH SAFER FOR, FOR US AND FOR, FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC SAFETY OVERALL.
OH, AND UM, SO I WAS, UH, INFORMED THAT YOU ALL WERE, UM, ASKED TO MAKE OUTREACH TO ST.
LAWRENCE, UH, CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHICH IS JUST A, UM, JUST A LITTLE OVER A BLOCK AWAY.
SO DID YOU, UM, WERE YOU ABLE TO, UH, MAKE OUTREACH TO THEM? YEAH.
UM, THEY ALSO HAVE AN EVENT CENTER THERE, UM, BECAUSE WE HELP THEM, UH, QUITE A BIT IN THEIR FESTIVALS, IN THEIR, UH, FUNDRAISING.
UM, THEY ALSO UTILIZE OUR PARKING WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR FESTIVALS.
THEY UTILIZE OUR PARKING AND VICE VERSA.
UH, SO THAT'S WHY THEY WEREN'T IN AOSA BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CURRENT ONE.
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WITH, WE DO A LOT OF, UH, DECOR AND, UH, A LOT OF, UH, SERVICES FOR THEM CURRENTLY AT THEIR LOCATION, WHICH THEY ALSO HAVE A BG LICENSE ON PREMISE.SO I GUESS BASICALLY WITH THE MEETS AND BOUNDS THERE, THAT WOULD PREVENT THIS FROM LIKE BECOMING SOME LARGE, UM, UM, BUILT, UH, BUSINESS THAT SOLD ALCOHOL THROUGHOUT THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT
BE WHOLESALE ALCOHOL, LIKE A FULL BLOWN, YEAH, LIKE A FULL-BLOWN NIGHTCLUB OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TO HAVE MULTIPLE BARS AND MULTIPLE NO, NO, IT'S JUST ONE CONCESSION AREA AND THAT'S WHY I WENT THROUGH THE EXPENSE OF DOING THE MEETS AND BOUNDS JUST TO LOCK DOWN THAT AREA.
AND STEPH, COULD, COULD YOU TELL ME THE, UM, BENEFITS FROM THE MEETS AND BOUNDS HERE AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING OR THE PRO PROS AND CONS, SHOULD I SAY? WELL, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE REZONING, THE MEETS AND BOUNDS ARE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO JUST ZONE THE PROPERTY WHERE THAT NA IS BEING REMOVED SO THAT IT, IT'S A NECESSITY TO JUST ISOLATE THAT ONE SMALL AREA.
IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT AND THEY WENT WITH THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION, THEN IT WOULD BE THE ENTIRE KIND OF THAT RECTANGLE YOU SEE ON THE MAP.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE A, IF I HAD AN INTENTION TO REALLY GO FULL-BLOWN ALCOHOL BAR, NIGHTCLUB TYPE AREA, I MEAN, I WOULD REZONE THE WHOLE AREA BECAUSE WE'RE ALL SITTING ON 10 ACRES AND I COULD DO MULTIPLE, UH, SELLING POINTS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST FOR PRIVATE EVENTS.
UH, MULTITA, UH, MAINLY USED, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON SATURDAYS FOR PRIVATE FUNCTIONS AND, AND MAYBE SOME FRIDAYS.
THAT'S ALL I, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
COMMISSIONER UZMA, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER MCGEE, BACK TO YOU.
UH, I'M READY TO MAKE THE MOTION.
I MAKE MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL? SECOND.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER JONES SECONDS.
COMMISSIONER MCGEE'S MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 13.
THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 13 BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
I WAS OUT FOR MOST OF THE DISCUSSION.
NINE TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION.
[18. 21-2600 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700030 CD (Council District 10)]
THANK MR. LOPEZ.AGENDA ITEM 18 IS A ZONING REQUEST FROM C TWO COMMERCIAL TO C TWO CD COMMERCIAL WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO SALE.
ALL, ALTHOUGH ALL OTHER OVERLAYS REMAIN AT 39 60 5,000 OAKS DRIVE.
NINE NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
ONE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM OAK GROVE ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THE CURRENT C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE REQUESTED C2 CD BASED ZONING DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITION USE FOR MOTOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH
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EXISTING AND SURROUNDING ZONING AND USES.STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, SIR, IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, YOUR ADDRESS.
SUITE NUMBER TWO IF YOU WOULD, SIR, JUST GO AHEAD AND PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
UM, ACTUALLY IN, UH, STARTING, UH, TRYING TO START A, A VERY SMALL USED CAR LOT WITH FIVE CARS AND UNDER, UM, JUST TO PROVIDE RELIABLE AND AFFORDABLE CARS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THAT PRETTY MUCH IS WHAT I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO DO, JUST TRY TO, UH, I'M A SINGLE OWNER, BUT JUST TRY A VERY SMALL ONE.
INSTALLED A VERY SMALL CAR LOT WITH, UH, FIVE CARS AND UNDER.
THIS IS A DISTRICT 10 CASE COMMISSIONER LIGHT.
UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE, UM, USED CAR BUSINESS PREVIOUSLY? UH, JUST, I'VE ACTUALLY JUST ON THE SIDE HAVE SOLD SOME CARS OVER THE YEARS AND BEEN AROUND AN UNCLE OF MINE WHO'S HAD A CAR LOT, UH, FROM THE CALIFORNIA AREA AND JUST KIND OF GREW UP ON THE SIDE, UH, WATCHING HIM.
UM, AND JUST DECIDED I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UH, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF USED CAR LOTS AND JUST WASN'T IMPRESSED WITH THE QUALITY OF CARS AND THE STANDARD OF RELIABLE CARS THAT HAVE BEEN SOLD TO FOLKS OVER THE YEARS AND TENNESSEE.
UH, USED CAR LOTS HAVE A BAD NAME.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF REDEEM THE NAME OF USED CAR LOTS AND JUST GET BACK INTO THE BUSINESS SELLING RELIABLE CARS FOR FOLKS, ESPECIALLY IN UM, AREAS, UH, LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES, JUST KIND OF PROVIDE AFFORDABLE CARS AS WELL.
UM, AND DURING MY SWAT I ALSO, UM, PROVIDED THAT THE SURROUNDING CAR LOT, MOST OF THE CAR LOT THE CARS WERE $5,000 AND UP.
SO, UM, TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE I SAW WALKING UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND, UM, MOST OF 'EM WERE WORKING PEOPLE, UM, BUT STILL COULDN'T AFFORD CARS.
UH, WHICH ONE OF THE REASONS CONTINUE TO DRIVE ME TO, UH, PROVIDE A, A BUSINESS FOR, UH, FOLKS WHO REALLY WANTED TO HAVE CARS BUT JUST COULDN'T AFFORD THEM.
UM, AND SO ONE OF MY BUSINESS GOALS IS TO PROVIDE RELIABLE AND AFFORDABLE CARS FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, UH, AM I SEEING A, A TWO STORY SORT OF OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, ON THE LOT AS WELL? YEAH, THERE'S A TWO STORY THERE, BUT I ONLY, I ONLY RENT ONE OF THE SPACES, UM, THERE, SO I HAVE THE, UM, JUST SUITE NUMBER TWO.
I'M PART OF A BIGGER PROCESS HERE.
SO THERE'S UM, A BARBERSHOP NEXT DOOR IN A BUTCHER SHOP, UM, AND A COUPLE PLACES UPSTAIRS.
SO I'M ONE OF FOUR TENANTS HERE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE ONE OF FOUR TENANTS AND YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR? YES, SIR.
AND, UM, WHERE ARE THE, THE, THE CARS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IN RELATION TO WHERE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR SUITE IS? THE UM, THERE ARE PARKING SPACES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, TWO STORY BUILDING, BUT I DON'T HAVE THOSE PARKING PLACES.
I HAVE THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE STREET WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION IS.
THERE'S TWO ON ONE SIDE AND THREE ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER.
UM, BUT PARKING SPACES DIRECTLY IN THE FRONT, THOSE ARE FOR OTHER CUSTOMERS? UM, NOT MY CUSTOMERS.
SO, WELL, MY CARS WILL BE PLACED IN THE FRONT OF THE FACILITY, UM, AS SOON AS YOU TURN IN RIGHT OFF THE STREET.
SO PEOPLE WILL, WILL COME ONTO THE LOT, THEY'LL COME INTO YOUR SUITE AND THEN YOU'LL TAKE 'EM OUTSIDE TO LOOK AT WHICHEVER CAR IT IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, I GUESS, RIGHT? YES SIR.
I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER COMMERS QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER WEAK IF YOU WOULD.
THANK YOU CHAIR, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO ANY SERVICE OF THESE UH, VEHICLES IN YOUR LOT? NO, NO, NO, NOT AT ALL.
THE SERVICE WILL BE DONE ACTUALLY AT MY HOME.
AND WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION HOURS? OPERATIONAL, BASICALLY STANDARD HOURS, UH, SIX DAYS A WEEK.
ACTUALLY I'M GONNA DO, UH, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, BUT FROM EIGHT TO FIVE.
AND ARE YOU INTENDING TO PUT ANY OUTDOOR DISPLAYS LIKE, UH, SIGNS OR BANNERS?
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UM, WELL A PART OF THE, UM, I HAVE TO HAVE A SIGN AS A PART OF THE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR A DEALER'S LICENSE.SO, UM, I DO HAVE A SIGN, UM, THAT'S ALREADY FILED, UM, AS A PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS, BUT NOT THANK YOU.
UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, OKAY, THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.
SO DO YOU HAVE YOUR DEALER'S LICENSE YET? WELL, NO, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO GET DONE WITH THIS PROCESS FIRST.
I'VE ACTUALLY, UM, HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE JANUARY.
I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS ZONE FOR A CALL OUT, SO I WENT AHEAD AND WENT THE SPOT.
UM, BUT THIS PROCESS HAS TAKEN A WHILE TO GET SOLD, GET, SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO FINISH THIS PROCESS BEFORE I WENT AND GOT MY DEALER'S LICENSE JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WOULD BE FINE BECAUSE IT'S A $700, UH, APPLICATION FEE AND I'M ALREADY ABOUT $15,000 INTO THIS THING, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
I'M TRYING TO, UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PARKING SPACES.
'CAUSE IF I LOOK AT GOOGLE ON NUMBER 12, 13, 14 AND 15, 12, 13, 14, 15.
BUT THEN NINE, 10 AND 11, I DON'T SEE SPACE FOR NINE.
I ONLY SEE SPACE FOR TWO CARS, 10 AND 11.
SO THE THERE, SO YOU'RE OOC YOU'RE GONNA OCCUPY SPACES NINE TO 15 AS YOUR VEHICLES? NO MA'AM.
I'M ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE SPACES NUMBER IF I'M READING THIS RIGHT.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY SPACES THAT I HAVE WHETHER I'VE BEEN ALLOTTED.
UM, ALRIGHT THEN I'M TRYING TO, I DID, I DID TELL THE, I'M SORRY.
I'M SORRY, MISSON, I, I APOLOGIZE.
I, I DID TELL THE OTHER TENANTS, BECAUSE I'M SUCH A SMALL CALL OUT THAT I PROBABLY WOULD NEVER USE ALL FIVE OF MY SPACES.
UM, SO THEY CAN STILL USE THEM AS WELL.
I'M STILL, I'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM THEY'RE STILL MORE WELCOME TO PARK THERE.
UM, SO MOST OF MINE, UM, WILL BE ONLINE.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW, I MEAN, THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE, ARE THERE TO ASSIST THE COMING AND GOING OF VEHICLES IN, IN LINE WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING, I THOUGHT.
BUT NOW YOU'RE GONNA OCCUPY SIX OF THEM.
SO HOW DO THOSE PARKING SPACES THEN WORK FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING? YOU'VE LIMITED THAT I'M ONLY GONNA OCCUPY FIVE THOSE
AND THEN THE REMAINING OX SPACES, WHICH WOULD BE NINE 15 AND THE ONES IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING WILL BE FOR, UH, EVERYONE ELSE THAT WILL NOT BE OKAY.
SO I, SO I GUESS YOU'LL, UM, I GUESS YOU'LL SELL THESE AND THEN YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT CARS IN OTHER PLACES THAT YOU'LL SELL OUT TO PEOPLE.
SO THESE, YOU'RE NOT JUST LIMITED TO FIVE CARS? OH, I'M ONLY GOING TO DO FIVE.
I I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR ME.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A BIG HUGE CAR LOT.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANNA DO IS THE CARS THAT I DO SELL, UH, PART OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THEY'RE RELIABLE.
SO I KEEP MY CARS FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND DRIVE THEM EVERY DAY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CARS ARE RELIABLE.
AGAIN, THE USED CAR BUSINESSES, UM, OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN REAL SHADY.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE RELIABLE CARS THAT I CAN STAMP AND SAY I'VE DRIVEN THIS CAR FOR A WHILE.
AND, UM, THAT'S A PART OF MY STEAL PITCH IS THAT I'VE KEPT THE CAR FOR A WHILE AND IT'S NOT JUST SITTING ON MY LOT COLLECTING DIRT.
DO YOU PROVIDE FINANCING? NO MA'AM.
IT'S GONNA BE A SMALL CASH CAR LOT, BUT AT, IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS I PROVIDE FINANCING MONTHS.
UM, I'M ABLE TO DO THAT AT THAT CERTAIN POINT, BUT RIGHT NOW THE CARS ARE FROM THREE TO $5,000.
UM, MOSTLY HONDAS AND TOYOTAS TRYING TO STICK TO RELIABLE CARS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I I JUST NEED A CLARIFICATION.
DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T PLAN TO DO ANY WORK MAINTENANCE OF ANY KIND THERE AT THAT PARTICULAR CAR LOT? NO, NOT AT ALL.
WHERE, WHERE WILL THAT WORK BE DONE? OH, I HAVE A IN-HOME GARAGE WHERE I DO ALL MY WORK.
I'M A MECHANIC MYSELF, SO I DO IT ALL IN MY GARAGE.
AND THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ME JUST TO BE SURE YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
AS WITH STAFF, IF WE'RE TALKING A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO YOUR COMMERCIAL WORK THERE, IS THAT CORRECT STAFF? NO,
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UH, UNLESS HE LIVES IN THE COUNTY, HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT IF HE'S RESIDENTIALLY ZONED.I I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT.
I DON'T WANT HIM TO GET HIMSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE HE IS IN VIOLATION OF CITY CODE FOR THAT KIND OF WORK AT HIS AS AT HIS PERSONAL RESIDENCE.
AS FAR AS THE, THE CARS THAT I'LL BE BUYING FROM THE AUCTION, I'M, MY GOAL IS, I MEAN, I DON'T PLAN ON BUYING CARS THAT NEED WORK
I CAN DRIVE STRAIGHT FROM THE AUCTION TO THE LOT.
SO I DON'T REALLY PLAN ON BUYING CARS THAT NEED WORK.
AGAIN, I'M NOT, UM, JUST TRYING TO BUY, PROVIDE RELIABLE CARS.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BUY CARS THAT NEED TO GET FIXED UP.
THAT'S NOT, UH, IN THE BUSINESS PLAN AT ALL.
WELL NOW YOU'RE CONFUSING BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE A MECHANIC AND THEN YOU WOULD DO WHATEVER WORK WAS NEEDED AT YOUR HOUSE IN YOUR GARAGE.
AND I JUST WANNA BE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT BEING ZONED FOR THAT.
YEAH, AND I'M JUST SPEAKING OF WASHING MY CARS, UM, AND BRINGING 'EM TO A LOT.
SO IF THEY NEED AN OIL CHANGE OR THEY NEED THEIR TIRES CHECKED OR WHERE IS THAT GONNA BE DONE? I HAVE A, I'M GONNA HAVE CONTRACT WITH S AUTOMOTIVE, WHICH IS ON BOOSTER 5 6 6 5 5 1 6 BOOSTER.
I'M IN POSSIBLY TRYING TO DEVELOP A CONTRACT WITH HIM ON EVERY CAR.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
I'M JUST STILL A LITTLE PUZZLED BY THIS PARKING ARRANGEMENT AND SO I'M LOOKING AT WHAT YOU HAVE UNDER OTHER FACTORS HERE.
SO IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS DESCRIBES A SITUATION WHERE THIS BUSINESS WOULD HAVE FIVE SPACES IN THE PARKING LOT AND THEN THE OTHER FOUR BUSINESSES IN THE CENTER WOULD SHARE 10 SPACES AMONG THEM.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT AND THEN I, I GUESS I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND LIKE WHO, WHO EXACTLY ENFORCES THAT IS WAS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD ENFORCE IF THIS ZONING WERE APPROVED? UM, THAT THIS BUSINESS OWNER GETS THOSE, THOSE FIVE AND LIKE JUST HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME MA'AM? NO, IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO THE, WITH THE 3,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UM, I WENT AHEAD AND BROKE DOWN THE PARKING MINIMUMS, UM, THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE U D C, UH, PER TENANT.
AND SO WITH THE BUTCHER BUSINESS, IT IS JUST A ONE PER 300 SQUARE FOOT, UH, PARKING MINIMUM.
AND THE BARBER, UM, IS ONE PER 300 SQUARE FOOT.
ALSO, THE TOBACCO RETAIL IS ALSO ONE PER 300 SQUARE FOOT AND IT'S THE MASSAGE STUDIO, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S STILL, THERE IS ONE PER 400 SQUARE FOOT SQUARE FOOT.
THE AUTO SALES IS ONE PER 500 SQUARE FOOT SQUARE FOOT.
AND UH, IF HE USED THE ADDITIONAL FIVE FOR, UM, HIS SALES WOULD PUT THEM AT JUST BETWEEN 10 TO 14 SPOTS.
IF THEY HAD EACH HAD ONE TO TWO PARKING SPOTS PER STORE.
UM, SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD FIT IN JUST UNDER THE 15 THAT THERE ARE THERE.
AND THEN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ENFORCEMENT, SINCE THIS IS LOCKED INTO THE SITE PLAN AND HE'S SAYING HE HAS FIVE CARS FOR SALE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ENFORCEABLE.
SO IF THERE BECOMES AN ISSUE WHERE THERE ARE MORE VEHICLES OR, OR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES HAPPENING ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THEN UM, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING THAT CODE COULD LOOK INTO.
UM, COMMISSIONER, WHAT COME BACK TO YOU AND THEN COMMISSIONER ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS WILL GO BACK TO YOU FIRST AND THEN COMMISSIONER WHITE SINCE IT IS YOUR CASE.
SO HE'S OCCUPYING FIVE SET BASES WILL BE OCCUPIED.
SO THERE'LL, THAT LEAVES HIM ONE SPACE.
LET'S SEE, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
I GUESS THAT LEAVES THREE OPEN SPACES FOR COME AND GO CUSTOMERS, IS THAT RIGHT? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 IS HOW I LOOKED AT IT.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE COME AND GO.
IF YOU'RE SELLING THINGS, I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER ONES WOULD HAVE AN APPOINTMENT WHILE NOW THE BUTCHER SHOP IS SELLING THINGS.
THIS IS CONFUSING TO ME HOW THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE STATIONARY VEHICLES AND THEN COME AND GO VEHICLES FOR FOUR SHOPS IN THAT LOT.
UNLESS THEY PARK, UNLESS THEY PARK NEXT
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DOOR TO THE, UH, TO THE WHATEVER THAT CONVENIENCE STORE, WHICH I GUESS THEY COULD DO.'CAUSE THEY CAN SHARE THAT AS WELL.
I FIGURED OUT MY OWN QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE TO YOU.
SO DOES THIS, DOES THIS ZONING CHANGE, IS HE, IS HE CAPPED AT AT THE FIVE CARS? YES.
THAT'S HIS SITE PLAN? YES, SIR.
SO, SO, SO THIS WILL CAP HIM AT NO SELLING NO MORE THAN FIVE CARS.
WE'RE REVIEWING HIS FIVE 10 RIGHT NOW.
AND YES, IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE, HE IS ONLY DOING FIVE DESIGNATED PARKING SPOTS FOR THE SALE OF USED.
I THINK, I THINK, UH, I I, I THINK IT'S BEEN FLESHED OUT AT LEAST FOR, FOR ME.
UH, ONE MORE GO ROUND WITH COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IT.
SO COMMISSIONER WHITE, YOU'RE GONNA BE UP NEXT HOPEFULLY.
SO, SO CLARIFICATION THEN AGAIN FROM STAFF, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 15 SPACES.
HE WANTS FIVE FOR HIS SALES, WHICH LEAVES US 10.
HE WOULD NEED ONE FOR HIS BUSINESS SPOT.
AND THEN YOU'VE GIVEN 1, 2, 3, 4 TO THE OTHER TENANTS.
SO THAT TAKES US DOWN TO ABOUT THREE SPOTS FOR ANY KIND OF CONSUMERS TO COME INTO THAT SITE.
IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, PARKING, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA USE ONE OF THE SPOTS.
PARKING, I'M SORRY, PARKING ISN'T LOOKED AT THAT WAY.
THEY JUST HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM SQUARE.
UH, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE PARKING MINIMUM.
AND SO THEIR MINIMUM IS ONE FOR ALL OF THOSE TENANTS THAT JUSTIN OUTLINED.
AND THEN HE'S GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER FIVE FOR THE SALE OF HIS CARS.
SO THE, HE, THEY MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE 15 SPACES.
UM, IF I, IF I MAY, IF I MAY, REAL QUICK, I DID TALK TO EACH OF THE FOUR TENANTS AND LIKE I SAID, I TOLD EACH OF THEM THAT I WOULD NOT BE USING ALL THE FIVE PARKING PLACES AT ONE TIME.
UM, A PART OF A CAR DEALERSHIP, I HAD TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF FIVE PARKING PLACES THAT WAS JUST TO GET THE DEALER'S LICENSE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBER FIVE ORIGINALLY CAME IN.
BUT I DID TELL THE REST OF THE TENANTS I WOULD NEVER HAVE FIVE CARS AT ONE TIME.
UM, AND THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO PARK THERE WHENEVER THEY LIKE.
WE'VE ALL, I'VE HAD A MEETING WITH EACH OF THESE TENANTS HERE, UM, AND WE'RE ON GOOD TERMS AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
I, I JUST SEE THAT WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR DIFFICULT TO HEAR WITH PARKING AND, BUT THAT'LL BE BETWEEN THE TENANTS AND THE LANDLORD TO ARGUE OUT THEN IF THAT'S THE WAY THEY WANNA DOLE THESE OUT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
ONE LAST ASK OF ANY QUESTIONS.
SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHITE TO YOU? YES.
WELL, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH.
UM, I THINK THAT THIS ONE I, I'LL, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE IT.
UM, I THINK IT FITS, BUT BARELY.
AND, UH,
SO WITH THAT SAID, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 18.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 18 BY COMMISSIONER WATT.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND JONES.
THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 18 BY COMMISSIONER WHITE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, WAIT, I SAW SOMEONE, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE? I'M JUST GONNA SAY BARELY.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCGEE.
UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS, UH, I HAVE TO SAY, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE, BUT I HAD A GREAT DEAL OF ISSUE WITH THIS, UH, WHEN IT CAME BEFORE PLANNING.
UH, BUT THE PLANNING AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED, I BELIEVE, EIGHT TO TWO.
UH, I STILL HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN REGARDING THIS, HOWEVER, UH, IT DOES APPEAR THAT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AS EXPLAINED BY STAFF.
SO I SUPPOSE I'LL SUPPORT IT, BUT WITH SOME TREPIDATION.
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, I'M KIND OF THE SAME THOUGHT.I'M A LITTLE, I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, THAT'S A PRETTY TIGHT COMMODITY HAPPENING IN THOSE PARKING LOTS, AND I CAN SEE, UM, STARTING TO DETERIORATE WITH THAT MUCH TRAVEL, I SUPPOSE.
UM, I THINK THAT HE COULD FIND A BETTER SITE THAT'S A LITTLE MORE SUITABLE, BUT I'M UNDECIDED HERE, SO, BUT I, I DO HAVE A, A RE RESERVATION ABOUT IT ALL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER WHITE WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
MOTION PASSES NINE TO ONE WITH ONE ABSTENTION.
I BELIEVE STAFF THAT LEAVES THE ONLY THING ON THE AGENDA TO BE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS MARCH 16TH.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY EDITS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS REGARDING THE MARCH 16TH MEETING? MINUTES? HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? UH, I JUST HAVE PLENTY OF INFORMATION REAL QUICK.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, IF, IF SUSAN CAN HEAR ME, COULD YOU, COULD YOU EMAIL ME THAT U D C CODE ON, UH, SAS? GO AHEAD.
IT'S CALLED THE AQUIFER PROTECTION ORDINANCE OF THE CITY CODE.
ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE MINUTES
[21. 21-2588 Consideration and Approval of the March 16, 2021 Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes.]
FROM THE MARCH 16TH MEETING? HEARING NONE.IS THERE A MOTION MCDANIEL? I WILL MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 16TH MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MARCH OF THE MARCH 16TH MINUTES AS SUBMITTED BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES.
ANY DISCUSSION NOW? ROLL CALL VOTE.
ANY DIRECTORS REPORT, STAFF? NOTHING FOR TODAY.
I, UH, HOPE UH, EVERYONE HAS A GREAT DAY.
I THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR ATTENTION.