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I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, UH, REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT FOR MONTE VISTA TERRACE.
SO IF STAFF IS READY TO PRESENT THAT, LET'S BEGIN THERE.
WE'RE GONNA START, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA START WITH THE DIGNITY HILL PRESENTATION.
AND IT'S, UH, AND MS. ALINA PHILLIPS IS WE'LL TAKE OVER AT THIS POINT.
UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO, UM, OUR POWERPOINT, I'D LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT WAS INITIATED BY THE, BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEREFORE THE FEES WERE, WERE, UH, WAIVED.
SO LET'S LOOK AT OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.
ON OUR AGENDA, WE'LL HAVE BACKGROUND AND GOALS, ZONING, HISTORY, ZONING DISTRICTS, OUR PROPOSED REZONING AND OUR TENTATIVE TIMELINE.
THIS PROJECT BEGAN WITH THE PETITION, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION WAS REMOVED ON NOVEMBER 9TH, 2017.
UH, WE VIEW AND REZONED PROPERTIES LOCATED AT HACKBERRY STREET, LAMAR STREET AND NORTH PINE.
OUR BACKGROUND AND GOAL THOUSAND 12 ITY HILL WAS REZONED AS A PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE LARGE AREA REZONING TO IMPLEMENT THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2009.
THE REZONINGS WILL GO FROM I D Z INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONES WITH PERMITTED USES, I'M SORRY, WITH USES PERMITTED IN NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND RM SIX, ZONE TWO, R FOUR, R FIVE, AND R SIX APPROPRIATELY RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
UH, OUR LARGE AREA REZONING WILL BE ADOPTED NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS AND IT WILL ADDRESS THE RESIDENTS SIGNED PETITION TO REZONE FROM I D Z.
HERE WE SHOW TWO MAPS OF THE REZONED AREA FROM I D Z ZONING TO R SIX, R FIVE AND R FOUR FIVE PLEASE.
THIS IS OUR TENTATIVE TIMELINE.
DID MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS TO TEST THEIR PREFERENCES ON THE REZONING.
UH, WE PLAN TO GO TO ZONING COMMISSION ON APRIL 20TH AND CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 6TH.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. PHILLIPS.
WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE FOR THE WORK SESSION BEFORE WE GET TO TODAY'S AGENDA? AND NOW AT THIS TIME, JOHN STON AND I WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER SMALL PREVIEW OF THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT FOR MONTE VISTA TERRACE IN THIS WORK SESSION.
UNLIKE THE LAST WORK SESSION, I WILL JUST REFRESH YOUR MEMORY ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, BUT THEN JOHN WILL GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT WHAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CONFIRMATION TRIP.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP.
SO MR. CHAIR, IF YOU'RE READY, WE CAN PROCEED.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMISSIONER.
THIS IS JOHN AUSTIN WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND, UM, BACK IN, UH, 2000, AT THE END OF 2018, ACTUALLY, DISTRICT ONE, UH, RECEIVED A, A REQUEST, UH, OR PETITION, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO INITIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
AND, UM, BACK IN AGAIN AT THE END OF, UH, 2018, UH, THEY ISSUED THE COUNCIL CONATION IN THE REQUEST THE C C R, WHICH, UH, LED US TO THE, YOU KNOW, UH, ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION IN 2019.
IN 2019, WE STARTED, UH, THIS, UH, THING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH
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I WILL GO INTO THE FURTHER DETAILS.AND, UH, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, U D C AMENDMENT, THIS AMENDMENT AND, UH, IT REQUIRES A ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL A HEARING.
AND, UH, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, IS THE BOUNDARY LINE WITH 187 PROPERTIES, INCLUDING, AND ACCORDING TO OUR, UH, G I S MAP CALCULATION, UH, FROM THE BAY COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT DATABASE, ONLY FOUR OF THEM ARE VACANT LOT.
UH, ALL OF ALL THE RED ARE, ARE DUAL.
AND THIS IS QUICK, UH, YOU PROCESS THAT.
UH, AFTER WE RECEIVED THAT, UH, RESOLUTION, WE IMMEDIATE STARTED, UH, THE CREATING A TASK FORCE AND, UH, SEVERAL MONTHLY MEETINGS WE FOLLOWED.
AND WE CONSTANTLY UPDATED THE WEBSITE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE WAY AND, UM, FINALIZED THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, WE AGAIN, UH, HAD A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH THE PROP, ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT INPUT FROM THEM AND, AND HERE WE ARE.
UH, IT ALL STARTED WITH THE AUGUST AFTER THE RESOLUTION.
UH, WE ISSUED, UH, THIS, UH, INVITATION, YOU KNOW, LETTER TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UH, INFORMED THEM AND INVITED THEM, UH, FOR THIS, FOR THIS PROCESS.
AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT POSTED ON THE WEBSITE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE, WITH THE PUBLIC.
AND THESE ARE THE NAME OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS.
UH, PROBABLY NOT ALL OF 'EM, THEY CAME TO ALL THE MEETINGS, BUT I WOULD SAY MORE THAN HALF OF 'EM DEFINITELY CAME TO ALL OF THEM MEETINGS.
BASICALLY NCDS IN THE ZONING OVERLAY CLASSIFICATION, AND IT ADDRESSES APPROPRIATENESS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGH PLANT STANDARDS.
AND THIS PARTICULAR ONE, UH, FOR
AND SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL, UH, DESIGN STANDARD.
WHAT N C D DOES IS IT, UH, BASICALLY, UH, PROTECTS NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY AND UNIQUE CHARACTER, AND IT PROMOTES COMPATIBLE INFO DEVELOPMENT AND IT ALLOWS, UM, A FAIR AND OBJECTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS.
IT PROVIDES A TOOL PROACTIVE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING, AND IT DOES NOT IMPORTANT, IT DOES NOT CHANGE UNDERLYING BASED ON, UH, DISTRICT, UM, FOCUS PROPERTIES.
AND IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PROPERTY OWNER TO REHABILITATE, UH, THEIR EXISTING STRUCTURES FROM STANDARDS.
AND IT DOES NOT PREVENT DEMOLITION OF EXISTING STRUCTURES.
AND, UH, INEVITABLY THERE WILL BE MAYBE FEW, UM, UH, STRUCTURES PROBABLY WILL BE, UH, NON-CONFORMING TO PROPOSE, UH, LIFE STANDARD REGULATIONS.
UH, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE TASK FORCE AND, AND THE STAFF, WE DID EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO AVOID THIS.
BUT IT'S SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO, UH, INCLUDE EVERY PROPERTY TO, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN STANDARD AND, UM, IN TERMS OF THEIR CHARACTERS, OF COURSE.
AND, UM, WHAT NONCONFORMING IS, IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE APPLICABLE, UH, DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, REGULATION.
IT CAN BE STILL OCCUPIED, IT CAN BE MAINTAINED, BUT IT CANNOT BE EN LARGE STANDARD UNLESS IT MEETS THIS REGULATION.
AND, UM, THEY HAVE DEFINITELY RIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN IT, BUT THAT RIGHT WILL CEASE OR GO AWAY, UH, WHEN IT'S DAMAGED AND, AND COSTAL REPAIRS PLACED IN COSTS EXCLUDING LAND.
UH, WE HAVE TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND YOU, YOU'RE SEEING THE, UH, INVITATION IN A LETTER.
OF COURSE IT'S ENGLISH AND SPANISH.
AND, UM, BASICALLY DURING THIS MEETING, THESE ARE TWO IDENTICAL MEETINGS.
SO WE DID NOT, YOU KNOW, SHOW ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT AND, UM, BASICALLY SHOW OR PRESENTED THOSE PROPOSED STANDARDS TO THE, UH, PARTICIPANTS
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IN 25 PEOPLE ATSO THEY, AT THIS POINT, IT GOES INTO, YOU KNOW, DETAILS, BUT WE RECEIVED SOME, UH, INPUT, UH, FROM THOSE MEETINGS FROM THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS AND WE INCORPORATED THEM THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A SLIDE AT THE END, UH, ABOUT THAT ONE.
SO BASICALLY, UM, FIRST ITEM ON THE PROPOSED DESIGN STANDARDS IS THE SIZE OF LOTTS OR THE WIDTH OF THE LOT.
SO IT JUST LIMIT YOU 50 TO 75, MINIMUM MAXIMUM, BUT THERE ARE ALREADY EXISTING 25, UH, FOOT WIDE, YOU KNOW, LOTS IN THE, IN THE AREA IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT.
AND FOR THE, UH, BUILDING MASSING, UM, UH, PROPOSED REGULATIONS, UM, THEY, THEY REQUIRE, UH, MULTIFAMILY THREE AND ABOVE NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, SHALL BE IN THE ONE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE AND, UH, BUT IF, IF THE SITE IS LARGER THAN, YOU KNOW, ONE ACRE, THAT THEY WILL, WILL BE EXEMPT FROM THE REGULATION.
AND FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT, IT, UH, LIMITS THE TWO AND A HALF STORIES OF 35 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND, UM, AND REGARDLESS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING DISTRICT, SOME ZONING DISTRICT, THEY DO SUBMIT, BUT THIS ONE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, MF 33 TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY, UH, IN THE UUD C THEY, THEY HAVE HIGHER, UH, HEIGHT.
UH, FOR, UM, IF, IF THE LOT IS, UH, THAT 25 FOOT WIDE, THEN UH, THEY WILL BE LIMITED ONE AND A HALF STORY AND BUILDING HEIGHT.
UH, FOR THE PROCESS BACK, UH, BASICALLY WHAT THIS SAYS HERE IS, UH, IF THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT ON A BLOCK, SO WE BASICALLY WE WANT, WILL ALLOW THE NEW DEVELOPMENT TO BE WITHIN TIME SHEET IN, YOU KNOW, SETBACK OF THE BLOCKCHAIN.
SO ALL THE BLOCKCHAIN, UM, EXISTING SETBACKS, THEY, THEY BECOME IMPORTANT.
AND THERE'S ALREADY, THEY ARE IN OUR DOCUMENTS.
A COUPLE OF VOLUNTEERS, THEY WENT OUT THERE MEASURED ALL THE THINGS, UH, SETBACK FOR EACH BUILDING ON EACH, UH, BLOCK BASE.
SO NEXT ONE, ANOTHER ITEM IS ABOUT THE, UH, PROPOSED ELEVATION.
SO BASICALLY THIS N C D WILL REQUIRE FOR HOUSES TO HAVE A TRANSITION SPACE THAT THE ENTRANCE, UM, AND THIS TRANSITION SPACE COULD BE THE PORTRAIT OR STOOPS OR ALCO, THE CORNER, UH, TYPE OF BASICALLY, UH, SOME KIND OF ARTICULATION OR DEFINITION IN THE, THE ENTRANCE WILL BE REQUIRED, BUT IT, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY PARTICULAR SIZE.
SO FOR PER, FOR PER CUP, PER PER CUT AND DRIVEWAY, UH, BASICALLY IT WILL LIMIT TO JUST ONLY ONE PER HOUSE.
AND, UH, CURB CUT WILL BE 15 FEET WIDE, AND THEN DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE 20 WIDE MAXIMUM.
AND, UH, BUT THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, UH, DRIVEWAY CAN BE, YOU KNOW, REPAIRED AND MAINTAINED.
AND, UM, SO EVEN IF THEY'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, NON FORMING AND, UM, AND IT WILL BE ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IT WILL GO TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, BUT IF IT'S FIVE FEET LONG, THEN THEY WILL BE EXEMPTED FOR NEXT ONE.
UH, PROPOSED, UH, ACCESSOR DWELLING UNITS, STRUCTURES IN DWELLING ARE TYPICALLY, IF IT'S LESS THAN 300 PERFECT FEET STRUCTURE, THEN IT'S NOT, IT'S EXEMPT.
AND, AND IF, IF IT IS MORE THAN THAT, THEN UH, IT CANNOT BE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
IT, IT HAS TO BE THE WHEEL YARD.
AND, UM, IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, IT CAN GO UP, UH, SAME HEIGHT AS THE, THE MAIN HOUSE OR 25 FEET IN A MAXIMUM.
IF MAIN HOUSE IS TALLER THAN 20 GARAGES AND CARPORTS, UH, ATTACHED GARAGE ALLOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED UNDER IN THE LIVING SPACE.
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BE JUST KIND.THERE HAS TO BE ROOFED RIGHT ABOVE THE GARAGE.
AND, UH, DETACHED GARAGES, UH, HAS TO BE AT THE REAR AND, AND AGAIN, IN EXISTING GARAGES CAN BE, YOU KNOW, REPAIRED AND MAINTAINED.
AND FOR THE CARPORT, UH, THEY SHOULD BE, UH, LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE CROP.
NEXT ONE, UH, FOR THE FENCES, UH, IT, IT IS, UM, THREE FEET SOLID IN THE FRONT AND FIVE FEET.
UM, IF IT'S PREDOMINANTLY OPEN AND, UH, NO CHICKEN WIRE TYPE OF BARB WIRE, ALL TYPE OF ALLOWED IN SIDE AND REAR SIX FEET MAXIMUM.
BUT IF THEY'RE ABUTTING TO ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL, UM, ANY KIND OF LIKE ARTERIAL TYPE OF, OR EVEN, UM, ALLEY, THEN WE DO ALL HIGHER TO EIGHT FEET FOR THE CORNER LOT THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THE SIDE HAS TO MATCH IN TERMS OF MATERIAL.
AND, UH, THIS IS THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED THAT YOU SEE THAT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THOSE TWO COLUMNS WITH BLACK HEADER, UH, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE TASK FORCE.
AND THEY WILL CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, CHANGE BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION.
AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU'LL SEE THAT RED HEADERS, THAT THAT IS THE, UH, ITEMS THAT WE NEED IN TERMS OF INPUT AND WE INCORPORATED THEM TO THE, UM, DOCUMENT THAT WE SEE HERE.
SO THE DOCUMENT HAS CHANGED SLIGHTLY AFTER, AFTER THOSE, UH, TEMPLATE.
UM, AGAIN, UH, FEBRUARY THREE AND FOURTH MEETINGS, APRIL 6TH IS DONE COMMISSIONED TODAY.
AND TENTATIVELY WE ARE SCHEDULING FOR MAY 6TH CITY, THE COUNCIL.
AND, UH, TOTAL OF 1 64 NOTICES, MAILS PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN NNC AREA, PLUS THE, YOU KNOW, NOTIFICATION AREA.
AND, UM, I RECEIVED FIVE IN KNOW POSITION, 11 IN FAVOR FROM PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND ALSO I RECEIVED ADDITIONAL LETTER FROM MONET HARRIS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN FAVOR.
THAT BASICALLY CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
I JUST WANT TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT DURING THE ACTUAL MEETING, THE MONTE VISTA TERRA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS WILL BE JOINING TO ADD TO THE PRESENTATION.
AND SO IT, I WILL KICK IT OFF AND THEN WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE TASK FORCE, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT OVER AGAIN JUST TO GO OVER THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE WILL CLOSE AND HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS TO BOTH THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS AND THE STAFF.
SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU'VE HEARD SO FAR? THANK YOU, MS. FLORES.
AND, UM, I JUST DO WANNA RE REMIND COMMISSIONERS THAT TIME FOR DELIBERATION IS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UH, PLEASE LIMIT ANY QUESTIONS TO THIS PRESENTATION AND NOT ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT INDICATE DELIBERATION.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UH, THANK YOU.
UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF, 'CAUSE I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BACK UNDER GARAGES.
IF YOU COULD PULL THAT SLIDE BACK UP PLEASE.
CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME, 'CAUSE I'M CONFUSED.
WHAT DOES UNDER GARAGES NOT ALLOWED UNDER ANY LIVING SPACE? SO ARE, I GUESS, TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS THAT THEIR PREFERENCE IS THAT THE, THERE NOT BE A LIVING, UH, A GARAGE ALLOWED UNDERNEATH A LIVING SPACE.
SO LET'S SAY THE SECOND STORY HAS A GAME ROOM THAT, THAT PARTICULAR HOME WOULD NOT HAVE A GARAGE UNDER IT.
THE, THE BOTTOM UNIT WOULD ALSO BE DEDICATED TO LIVING SPACE OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF LIVING.
SO IF THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, APARTMENT GARAGE TODAY, AND WITH THAT OLDER SECTION, I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF THEM OVER THERE STILL.
ARE WE SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RENT OUT THE
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UPPER UNIT ANYMORE, THAT IT CAN NO LONGER BE OCCUPIED IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE BOTTOM PART AS AN ACTUAL GARAGE? NO, THIS WOULD ONLY BE FOR NEW UNIT, UH, OR NEW CONSTRUCTION.SO AS JOHN MENTIONED, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR PROPERTIES THAT ARE VACANT OVER THERE, BUT EVEN IF THEY DID HAVE TO TO REBUILD, AS LONG AS THAT MET THE NON-CONFORMING STANDARDS, AS LONG AS THEY COULD, THEY COULD KEEP THAT.
UH, AND THEN AS FAR AS RENTING THE SPACE, THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, BUT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO RENT THEIR UNIT IF THEY NEED TO.
UH, SO THIS IS ONLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE GOAL WAS TO KEEP THEIR, FROM BEING VERY THIN, NARROW STRUCTURES WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO FIT ALL OF THE FRONT ENTRY AND THE GARAGE AND THE EVERYTHING INTO THE VERY FRONT OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S SO NARROW.
AND SO THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THESE TOWERING STRUCTURES, WHICH WAS THE REASON FOR, YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS IN THEIR PROPOSAL AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, THAT ALL KIND OF GOES TOGETHER WITH THE ENTIRE IDEA OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, WHICH WAS TO LIMIT THESE VERY TALL, NARROW BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUT OF PLACE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND I GET THAT UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION, I'M, I'M MORE WANTING TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND EXISTING TODAY.
AND SO IF THAT UPPER APARTMENT UNIT NEEDED RENOVATION AND THE LOWER, UH, PORTION OF THAT IS AN ACTUAL GARAGE IN TODAY'S TERMS, AND AT SOME POINT THE HOMEOWNER NEEDS TO UPDATE THAT, UH, APARTMENT UNIT, DOES THE 50% COME INTO PLAY WHERE IF IT'S MORE THAN 50% OF RENOVATION, UH, COSTS THAT IT KICKS IT OUT OF NON-CONFORMING, OR I JUST WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT YOUR, YOUR ASSESSMENT IS CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IF IT, IT EXCEEDS THAT 50%, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING ANYMORE, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONFORM.
BUT IF IT'S STAYING AS IS AND THERE'S NO ISSUE AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE CAN BE MINOR RE RENOVATION AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HIT THAT THRESHOLD.
THANK YOU THAT YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT THOUGH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 50%, UH, THAT'S EXCLUDING LAND, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND NOW FOR, SAY EXAMPLE, THIS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, LET'S CALL IT, UM, IS THAT, IS THE 50% ONLY FOR THAT STRUCTURE OR IS IT FOR THE ENTIRE BUILT PROPERTY? OH, YEAH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A, YOU KNOW, MAKE CLARIFICATION HERE.
I MEAN THE, THE GARAGES THAT WE REFERRED TO EARLIER FOR THE, FOR THE MAIN HOUSE, IF YOU ARE LET'S SAY DETACHED GARAGE BACK THERE AND THERE'S AN APARTMENT ON TOP OF IT, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE IF THAT'S NOT, INCLUDE THAT ONE.
THIS, THE GARAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, ITEM THAT YOU SAW EARLIER WAS FOR THE, FOR THE MAIN HOUSE NOT TO HAVE, UM, GARAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN THERE'S AN, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE OR, UM, I MEAN APARTMENT OR LIVING UNIT OR LIVING SPACE ON, ON TOP OF THE GARAGE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A DISTINCTION.
SO BASICALLY, UM, FOR THE ATTACH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE GARAGES THAT ARE PART OF THE MAIN HOUSE, THAT'S WHAT IT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THERE'S A PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN, AND THEN THERE'S ACCESSORY DWELLING.
AND SO THE, IF THERE'S A DETACHED GARAGE IN THE REAR, AS, AS THEY'RE PROPOSING AS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, THAT ARE ALLOWED FOR THE N T D IF IT HAS A LIVING UNIT ABOVE IT, THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS, UH, RESTRICTION OR, OR GUIDELINE IS FOR.
THIS IS ONLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF GARAGES, UM, ON NEW STRUCTURES THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
I THINK THAT SUBSUMES MY QUESTION AS WELL.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PRESENTATION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, REALLY QUICK, THERE WERE 187 PROPERTIES.
SO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED? YES, MA'AM.
YOU SENT OUT 264, SO RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE NOTIFICATION WITHIN THE 200 FEET AS WELL AS THE NOTIFICATION AREA OF 200 FEET.
SO THEN THAT'S GONNA EXTEND JUST A BIT, EXTEND THE BOUNDARY OF A BIT.
SO BASICALLY IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS
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180, 70 OTHERS ARE THE PERIMETER OF THAT 200 FOOT BOUNDARY.SO FROM THAT NOTICE FIVE WERE IN OPPOSITION AND 11 WERE IN FAVOR.
OUT OF THE 264 NOTICES? CORRECT.
OUT OF THAT 187 PROPERTY OWNERS, HOW MANY ARE IN FAVOR? NO, THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
THE ONLY ONES WE WOULD KNOW ARE THE ONES WHO SUBMITTED A RESPONSE FORM, WHICH ARE THOSE 11 THAT SUBMITTED THAT ARE WITHIN THE HUNDRED FEET.
SO IN, SO WE'RE BASING THIS OFF OF A PETITION THAT WAS GENERATED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REQUEST THIS, BUT THEN ONLY 11 ARE IN FAVOR.
SO WAS THE PETITION ONLY 11? NO, THE PETITION EQUALED 51% ACTUALLY, OR MORE OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WERE INTERESTED IN CREATING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
SO THEN WHEN, WHEN THEY, THAT NOTICE THAT WENT OUT, DID IT EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS? OR IT WAS JUST YOUR GENERAL ZONING NOTICE? THE, NO, THE NOTICE EXPLAINED EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE PROCESS, AND THEN IT ALSO LINKED TO THE WEBSITE FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF ANYONE NEEDED IT.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS TO PLAY FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WANNA GIVE THEIR INPUT TODAY AS WELL FOR THE ACTUAL PUBLIC.
WELL, I MEAN, HOW DO I KNOW IF THEY'RE THE 11 IN FAVOR? I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING 264 NOTICES AND ONLY 11 ARE IN FAVOR WHEN IF YOU'RE TELLING, TELLING ME 51%, BUT THEY DIDN'T APPLY IN FAVOR, SO MAYBE AFTER THE PROCESS THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND.
COMMISSIONER, I THINK WE'RE NOW STARTING TO SHADE INTO DELIBERATION.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW DID THEY GET TO THIS POINT IF THERE'S 187.
OKAY, WERE, DID THE CITY REQUIRE 51% OUT OF THE 187? HI CHAIR CA LET ME GO AHEAD AND CHIME IN HERE.
SO, TO INITIATE THE PROCESS, UH, THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BE MET IN ORDER TO QUALIFY TO APPLY FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
UM, THE 51%, UH, IN SUPPORT HELPED IN THAT MEETING, THAT CRITERIA.
AND WHAT THAT DID WAS THAT STARTED, UH, THE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL OFFICE TO CREATE A RESOLUTION, WHICH WAS SUPPORTED BY ALL OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS TO START THIS PROCESS.
WHEN THIS PROCESS STARTED, WE CONVENED THE TASK FORCE AND MET OVER A SERIES OF NINE MEETINGS, UM, WITH A PAUSE WITH THE PANDEMIC WHEN THAT FIRST STARTED AND, AND COMPLETED, UH, THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS AND THEN STARTED THE COMMUNITY MEETING PROCESS.
THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, PROPERTY OWNERS WERE INFORMED THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND INPUT WAS ALWAYS ALLOWED DURING THIS PROCESS SINCE WE HAD A FACEBOOK, OR I'M SORRY, WE HAD A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE TASK FORCE.
SO THERE WAS ALWAYS COMMUNICATION WITH THOSE THAT SIGNED A PETITION AND THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE SIGNED THE PETITION.
SO WHEN WE STARTED OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESS, WE SENT OUT ALL OF THE NOTICES TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO SUBMIT SOMETHING BACK TO US.
WE HAVE ON RECORD FOR TODAY, UP TO 11, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR.
I WOULD, I WOULD SURMISE TO SAY THAT MOST OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA TO BE REZONED FOR THE N C D.
WE ALSO HAVE IN FAVOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH AGAIN, HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS, THE RESIDENTS, UM, IN ORDER TO GARNER THEIR, THE SUPPORT.
AND THEY ALSO DID A LOT OF BLOCK WALKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THEIR NEIGHBORS IN.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEAVE VOICEMAIL IF THEY SO WISH TO IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.
SO AGAIN, JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER ZONING CASE, THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A LOT OF, UM, MAILED IN OR EMAILED IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR A CASE.
BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS A, UH, ABNORMALLY A, UH, A LOT OF NOTICES OF POSE TO THIS N C D.
AGAIN, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEIR RESIDENTS TO GARNER THEIR SUPPORT.
SO IN THE REGULAR SESSION, WE WILL HAVE THREE OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS
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THAT ARE LEADS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GROUP THAT WILL BE PART OF THIS PRESENTATION AND PRESENTING THIS WELL, THEY PRESENT THE PROCESS ABOUT HOW THEY GARNERED THAT SUPPORT, AND THEN WE WILL PRESENT THE, UH, TECHNICAL DETAILS OF THE N C D AND THEN HAND IT BACK TO THEM, UH, FOR, UH, THEIR CLOSING STATEMENT.AGAIN, THIS WAS A VERY INCLUSIVE PROCESS, AND THEY WILL GET, THEY WILL GO INTO THOSE DETAILS AS WELL.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT IT WAS AN INCLUSIVE PROCESS.
SO AT THE 51% PETITION, WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT? THAT THE C C R WAS CREATED IN JANUARY, 2019? THE C C R WAS, UM, PRIOR TO THAT, UH, JANUARY AND LATE DECEMBER WHEN, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND AGAIN, THEY'LL PROBABLY GO INTO THOSE, UH, DETAILS DURING THEIR PRESENTATION OF HOW THEY STARTED, UH, WITH THE PETITION AND THE PROCESS, UH, TO HEAR THE VOICES OF THE RESIDENTS IN NOR ARTHUR'S PROCESS.
COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO BACK? I THINK TO COMMISSIONER DANIEL, SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE.
COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.
UM, KAT, UH, IF I COULD GET A CLARIFICATION NOW THAT I SEE THAT MAP AGAIN, UM, IT REMINDED ME OF THE QUESTION.
DOES THAT, THAT MAP OF THOSE PROPERTIES, IS THAT THE COMPLETE, UH, AREA CONSIDERED UNDER MONTE VISTA, TERRA OR
I JUST WANNA BE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
AND THEN SECOND THING, BACKING UP TO THE SLIDE FOR BUILDING SIZE.
OKAY, JUST A CLARIFICATION FOR MY EDIFICATION HERE.
THE MULTIFAMILY THREE PLUS UNIT SHALL BE IN ONE STRUCTURE.
SO WERE THERE ANY UNITS THAT ARE ALREADY NON-CONFORMING WHERE THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, TWO UNITS, UH, TWO, TWO STRUCTURES WITH TWO UNITS IN THEM? HOW MANY ARE NON-CONFORMING TODAY? OR IS THIS JUST FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION GOING FORWARD? I, I BELIEVE THAT, AS I RECALL IN OUR REVIEW OF THIS AREA, THERE IS AN AREA WITHIN MONTE VISTA THAT HAS TWO LARGE STRUCTURES ALREADY, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THE IDEA TO HAVE THE LIMITATION CAME FROM.
AND SO THEY WOULD NOT BE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
THEY ACTUALLY CONFORMED TO THE RULE AND THEY CREATED THE RULE BASED ON THAT TO MAKE THEM CONFORMING.
NO, THERE WAS, THERE'S NO STANDARD AT THIS, AT THIS TIME.
THE, THE, IT, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO MAKE THEM CONFORMING, IT WAS JUST THAT THEY SAID, HEY, LOOK, WE'VE GOT STRUCTURES HERE THAT ALREADY HAVE THREE OR FOUR UNITS.
WE WANT STAY CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
SO THEY CREATED A RULE FOR OTHERS WHO COME IN THE FUTURE TO FOLLOW THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PRESENTATION? SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU, MR. AND MS. FLORES STAFF, IS THERE ANY OTHER PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE FOR TODAY'S WORK SESSION? NO, SIR.
YOU CAN GO TO YOUR REGULAR ITEM SUMMARY NOW IF YOU'D LIKE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT OUR AGENDA AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE COMING FORWARD TODAY.
UM, AND STAFF, BEFORE WE TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, I MENTIONED I THINK THAT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS SUBJECT TO REFUSAL FROM COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE.
SO IF WE COULD MOVE THAT TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY AGENDA ITEM, COMMISSIONER O' MEDAL, UH, ITEMS 14 AND 15? UH, I WOULD, I WOULD, AND THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THOSE.
IF YOU WANT SEPARATE AGENDA, THEY'LL BE ASKING
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FOR A CHECK FOR ITEM NUMBER 14 AND 15.UM, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING ITEMS? THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS REGARDING ANY ITEM? UH, YES.
COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES, I'D LIKE TO, UH, PULL, UM, A 13 PLEASANTON FROM PLEASANTON DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL PLEASE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? COMMISSIONER MCGEE? NO, THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? QUESTIONS REGARDING RESPONSES? UH, COMMISSIONER KAMA? UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE? UH, I HAVE SUBMITTED, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, A RECUSAL, SO, UH, DO I NEED TO, I DON'T, I'M, I DON'T PLAN ON SUBMITTING ANOTHER ONE.
IT'S A WITHDRAWAL, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I NEED TO RECUSE.
IT'S NOT BEING CONSIDERED AT ALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ITEMS TO BE PULLED ALL IN WANT MR. YES, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS CHRISTIE.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, ON INDIVIDUAL, WE DID PLACE ITEM 21ST.
THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND WE WILL HAVE MEMBERS OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION TASK FORCE.
SO WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT ITEM FIRST AND THEN OF COURSE IS SA AND SO WE WILL ALSO HAVE MIKE ESCALANTE AND MIKE BAR ON STANDBY FOR THAT ONE AS WELL.
AND, UH, GIVEN SOME SCHEDULING ISSUES FOR COMMISSIONERS, I DO WANT TO TAKE 21ST.
SO WE WILL TAKE THAT FIRST, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION AS WELL AS CONSIDERATION OF COMMISSIONER'S TIME AND SCHEDULE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER JONES? UH, YES.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY VOICEMAILS? WE WILL CHECK THAT FOR YOU, MA'AM.
AND THEN I JUST AS JUSTIN IS CHECKING THAT FOR US, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ITEM NUMBER FIVE WERE GIVE YOU WERE SENT THE MATERIALS EARLIER THIS MORNING.
THAT ITEM IS NOW ELIGIBLE FOR CONSENT AND WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WANTED TO PROCEED THERE WITH THAT ONE.
UM, WE SENT THE MAP AND THE SITE PLAN AS WELL AS THE STAFF REPORT.
WOULD ANY COMMISSIONER LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FIVE? SEEING NONE.
ALRIGHT, ONCE WE GET THE ANSWER TO, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES INQUIRY, WE WILL STAND IN RECESS TILL ONE, BUT WE ARE WAITING FOR THAT ANSWER FOR THAT ANSWER.
COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I LOVED YOUR USE OF EDIFICATION, MR. CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER JONES, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO.
WE WILL NOW STAND IN RECESS TILL APPROXIMATELY 1:00 PM WHEN WE WILL BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, PLEASE ARRIVE A FEW MINUTES EARLY.
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DR.[00:45:04]
WATSON ROAD.[00:50:04]
THE, THE, UH, I'M M ANI.COMMISSIONER SENIOR CAYMAN? YES.
MR. COMMISSIONER GIVEN C? YES.
MR. MCDANIEL? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
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MCDANIEL.C MR. MCDANIEL? SENIOR MCDANIEL.
SENIOR GR HOUSE C PRESIDENT ANTE C COMMISSION.
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TRADITION ARCHITECT.[01:07:26]
THE FACEBOOK PERSONAL[01:11:22]
AND I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT.YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WAS THAT PERSON IN, IN ALL OF OUR TASK FORCE MEETINGS.
WE CAN SAY THE CONSERVATION SAN ANTONIO IN, UH, INTEGRAL
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OF THESE FACTORS.[01:20:07]
HE PERMITTED THE FORM OF VAL LOSS PROCESSES, THE PROTECTION, THE PROXIM INFORMATION.[01:26:22]
ACCESS.[01:30:55]
HELLO? UM, I'M MARY JOHNSON.SORRY, I REALIZED THAT AFTERWARDS.
HI, MY NAME IS CHRISTINA GIBSON.
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WESTPORT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.KENNETH WESTWOOD COURT IN CONSERVATION WESTRIDGE COURT.
COURT, NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ASSOCIATION.
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0 0 0 IS THE MR. CHAIR.UM, AND THERE ARE NO LIVE CALLERS FOR THIS ITEM? NO SIR.
I GUESS IT GOES THEN TO YOU STAFF FOR ANY REBUTTAL, OKAY? OKAY.
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OKAY.OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO JOHN OSTEEN ON THE FOUR VACANT LOTS.
WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THOSE LOTS? DO YOU KNOW? OKAY.
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OKAY.HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS? MANY.
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OKAY.[02:04:38]
PERSONAL.[02:06:37]
ANY FURTHER? COMMISSIONER? DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE LAST WORD? YES.UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CAUTION COMMISSIONER GR HAVING HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION.
THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER GR UH, DR.
THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS BACK ON THE RECORD.
STAFF, I BELIEVE WILL CONTINUE.
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PERSONAL.MIKE IN MICHAEL SAYS E, UM, PERSONAL SENIOR CHRISTENSEN COMMENT IT.
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MCDANIEL, THE INFORMATION ONLY DR.[02:20:58]
RESTRICTION FOR RICARDO PENA BERG[02:26:17]
MONEY HOPKINS? NO, THE EXPOSITION.[02:30:03]
NITA FRANCO ION IS A LAKE LAND? YES IT IS.[02:35:49]
UH, ANITA FRANKLIN, NO, NO, NO.PERSONAL IS A I JUST WANT, UH, TOMATO.
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CORRECT.SO THE FOUR WHEN I START, I, I OWN TRANSIT, UM, PERSONNEL.
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ANITA.COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, IF YOU COULD UNDERSTAND GASOLINE.
MAKING IT INTO, AND DID I UNDERSTAND PLAN AMENDMENT OR YOU'RE GONNA NEED A PLAN AMENDMENT.
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OTHER QUESTIONS? MCDONALD'S RESTRICTION COMMISSIONER,[02:55:24]
UM, MEANS, UH, LU JONES.[03:00:35]
I TURNED IT INTO AN BG F LOPEZ PERSONNEL OKAY.[03:05:49]
OKAY.[03:10:09]
OKAY.SI, IF YOU WOULD, SIR, JUST GO AHEAD AND PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
I'LL IT UP TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONER.
UH, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER.
THANK YOU CHAIR, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO ANY SERVICE OF THESE, UH, VEHICLES IN THE LOT? ARE INTENDING TO PUT ANY OUTDOOR DISPLAYS LIKE SIGNS OR BANNERS?
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SHE, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, I
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AND BOOSTER, OKAY.COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER NO.
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OKAY.COMMISSIONER JONES JONES BY COMM.
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UM, KIND OF THE SAME, UH, AND I CAN SEE, UM, STARTING TO DETERIORATE.COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER.
COMMISS GIVEN C COME MISSING ANOTHER WHITE.
MISSING ANOTHER MCDANIEL? NO, NO.