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I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF, UH, OUR COMMITTEE HERE.
AND, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR CHAIR IS JOINING US VIA THE WONDERS OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY HERE.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE HE IS, BUT, UH, IT ALL WORKS AND WE CAN SEE YOU FINE.
UM, AND SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, AND, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT A, A GOOD, UH, GROUP HERE, A GOOD QUORUM.
AND SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OUR MEETING.
I'M HAPPY EVERYBODY WAS ABLE TO FIND THE, THE NEW VENUE WITHOUT TOO MUCH TROUBLE, HOPEFULLY.
AND, UM, WE'VE GOT, I THINK, UH, SOME IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO DIGEST AND TO REVIEW TODAY.
UH, THAT MAINLY HAS COME IN FROM C P S BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD POSED TO THEM.
SO MOVING FORWARD, JUST SO
HOPEFULLY, UH, YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE SOME OF THE RESPONSES FROM C P S THAT ARE, THAT, THAT ARE POSTED ON, ON OUR SITE, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER TODAY.
UM, AND, UH, LATE LAST NIGHT, WE GOT SOME, UH, RESPONSES FROM SAWS AS WELL.
AND I QUITE FRANKLY, HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE YET, HAVE NOT REVIEWED THOSE.
AND SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THAT A FOCUS OF TODAY'S MEETING.
WE CAN TAKE THOSE UP NEXT WEEK UNLESS OUR CHAIR HAS A A DIFFERENT WAY HE'D LIKE TO PROCEED.
BUT I THINK SINCE NONE OF US HAVE REALLY DIGESTED THAT, ESPECIALLY THE COMMITTEE THAT'S OVERSEEING THAT, I'D PREFER NOT TO, TO, TO GET INTO THAT, UH, TODAY.
UH, SO WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO, TO REVIEW THAT.
SO, WITH THAT, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OPENING COMMENTS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO OUR, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S, UH, LEADING THE C P SS EFFORT? I ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY READ, MAY I, UH, ASK IF YOU HAVE ANY OPENING COMMENTS AND WHETHER YOU'D LIKE TO SORT OF LEAD THE C P S UH, PIECE.
UH, I HAVE NO OPENING COMMENTS.
I JUST, UH, ANNA AND I'LL KIND OF TAG TEAM THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN ACTUALLY, UH, PUT, UM, THE QUESTIONS UP SO THAT WE CAN SEE 'EM OR, UH, OR NOT
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.
UH, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN PUT THE, I THINK THEY CAN READ, I THINK THEY CAN READ, THEY, THEY'VE GOT, CAN YOU DO THAT? YES.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL POST THEM HERE AND WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE THEM, UH, TALK ABOUT 'EM IN GENERAL.
I'LL TALK FIRST AND THEN, UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANNA TO KIND OF, UH, CLOSES UP HER COMMENTS AND, UH, UH, PICK UP WHAT I MISSED.
AS SOON AS WE CAN SEE THE QUESTIONS, SEE THE QUESTIONS.
AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, ALEX, IS THE RESPONSES, UH, AS IF, IF, IF THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE IN A SEPARATE PLACE THAN THE QUESTIONS.
UM, C P S, UH, I MADE A VERY GOOD, UH, UH, I GUESS, UH, PROCEDURAL APPROACH TO THIS IN THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY NUMBERED, UH, THE QUESTIONS AS RFIS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP THAT CONVENTION AND APPRECIATE THEIR ORGANIZATION ON THAT.
UM, IN GENERAL, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED, UH, A BIT OF AN INFORMATION, BUT, UH, NOT ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, EXCEPT ONE, NOT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, START ANALYZING.
UH, IN GENERAL, UH, I'LL MAKE THE COMMENTS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO KINDA LABORIOUSLY GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE.
UH, BUT THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, UH, IS ONLY ALLOWED WITH, WITH NAMES A CERTAIN LEVEL DOWN, I ASSUME, FOR SECURITY.
UM, THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ON THAT.
UM, WE CAN POST, WE WILL POST WHAT WE HAVE TO THE WEBSITE, BUT WE'LL HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ASKING FOR THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART,
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UH, BY, UH, POSITION AND NO, AND NO NAME.WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE TO HERE IS UNDERSTAND H H WHO'S WHAT AND, AND HOW THEY'RE ORGANIZED.
UH, WITHOUT THAT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO, TO TO KNOW WHERE THE ORGANIZATION'S GOING BECAUSE THE ORGANIZATION IS PEOPLE.
UH, SO WE WILL HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF, OF, UM, OF INFORMATION ON OUR COMMUNICATION QUESTIONS.
UH, THAT, AND THAT'S GOOD, UH, BECAUSE WE NEED THAT.
UH, ACTUALLY, THE BEST WAY WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ANALYZE THAT IS PUT IT IN THE TIMELINE.
SO AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS AND THE TIMELINE MATURES, UH, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A LAYER, UH, IN THE TIMELINE OF COMMUNICATIONS.
UH, SO THIS WILL GET ANALYZED, WILL GET, UH, SORTED AND ASSIGNED ALONG THE TIMELINE.
AND I FOUND, I FOUND THIS TO BE, UH, UH, VERY RESPONSIVE.
UM, WE DID GET SOME DATA, AND IF YOU CAN GO, UH, ALEX, TO THE INTERORAL CIRCUITS DATA THAT WE RECEIVED, UM, AND, UH, I, SHE BRINGS THAT UP.
YOU'LL SEE IT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE.
UH, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT RESPONSIVE.
UM, AND I KNOW, UH, C P S UNDERSTANDS THAT BECAUSE THE COVER LETTER, UH, DID STATE, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE HERE IS THEY HAVE JUST GIVEN A SERIES NUMBER TO A CIRCUIT.
WE DON'T NEED THE CIRCUIT NUMBER.
BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO UNDERSTAND GEOGRAPHICALLY HOW TO DEPICT THESE OUTAGES.
SO IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE IT'S GOT, IT'S GOT THE TOTAL HOURS THAT WE'RE OUT.
AND, AND FRANKLY, THAT'S REALLY THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
BUT WE'VE GOT TO PIN THAT GEOGRAPHICALLY, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE GOTTA ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE.
UH, DID MY PART OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, GET ABUSED MORE THAN ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY? AND IT WAS THEIR FAVORITISM PLAYED.
AND SO THERE'S BEEN A SUGGESTION IN THE COMMUNICATION LETTER THAT THEY WILL LOOK AT ZIP CODES THAT'S CLEARLY UNDER THEIR SECURITY REVIEW.
AND WE WILL HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION SAYING THAT WE DO REQUEST THAT THERE BE, UH, SOME TYPE OF, OF GEOGRAPHIC DESIGNATION TO THIS.
UH, WE WILL NEED THIS, OBVIOUSLY IN EXCEL FORMAT, UH, OR SO, OR WE WON'T BE ABLE TO, UH, PUT IT ON A G I S, UH, TYPES, UH, SYSTEM.
NOR WILL WE BE ABLE TO ANALYZE IT, AND WE WILL ASK FOR THAT.
UM, UH, TO THE POINT ON THE BACKGROUND THAT I BELIEVE, UH, UH, CLAYTON AND MANNY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, IT APPEARS THAT THAT, UH, THE BACKGROUND, UH, INFORMATION IS RESPONSIVE.
UH, IT DOES GIVE A GOOD OVERVIEW.
UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE, UM, GLOSSARY THAT WAS ASKED FOR, UH, I THINK THE GLOSSARY IS AT A POSITION WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD SOME THINGS TO IT, BUT IT'S A VERY GOOD STARTING POINT.
UM, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY THE GLOSSARY THAT THEY UTILIZED FOR THE, UH, FOR THE FLEX, UH, UH, STEP OR NOT.
YEAH, I GUESS I COULD, THERE'S TOO MANY FLEXES ANYWAY.
THEY'RE ONE OF, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR POWER, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FLEX STEP OR WHATEVER.
THERE'S A FEW DEFINITIONS IN HERE WE PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO ADD.
UH, HOWEVER, I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S IN GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE TO POST IT.
UM, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT, UH, WE'RE STILL LOOKING VERY, UM, INTERESTING ON, WHICH IS THE FIRST STEP IS HOW DID THE PLANTS PERFORM.
UH, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY HISTORY.
OUR, OUR ACTUAL PERIOD PERFORMANCE.
UH, I ASSUME THAT'S COMING FAIRLY SOON.
UH, LOOKING AT A REPORT, A PRELIMINARY REPORT FROM ERCOT, WHICH I SAW THIS WEEK.
UH, APPARENTLY ALL OF THE PRODUCERS HAVE BEEN REQUIRED ALREADY TO REPORT THEIR, UH, UH, THEIR STATUS DURING THIS PROCESS FOR THEIR UNITS.
UH, SO I KNOW THE INFORMATION IS TOGETHER THAT WAS PRESENTED TO ERCOT UNDER CONFIDENTIALITY.
AND, UH, AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME IT'S INDICATED BY ERCOT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THAT CONFIDENTIALITY REMOVED.
UH, WE NEED THAT CONFIDENTIALITY REMOVED NOW, UH, OR WE CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WENT WRONG WITH THE GENERATION.
SO WE WILL HAVE A, UH, A DISCUSSION, UH, NEXT WEEK, UH, WITH, UH, UH, WITH PAUL AND, AND VAN TO TRY TO SEE, UH, WHAT CAN BE WE CAN RECEIVE ON A HISTORIC BASIS.
AND THEN, UH, DURING THE EVENT, UH,
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THE HISTORIC INFORMATION THAT WE REQUEST, IF YOU REMEMBER, WAS FOR THREE FISCAL YEARS.SO WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE INFORMATION, UH, RIGHT UP TO THE, TO THE END OF JANUARY, 2021.
AND THAT SHOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
AND, UH, I GUESS THAT'S, UH, THE, THE OVERALL QUESTIONS I HAVE, UH, I WOULD, UH, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UH, I THINK, UH, UH, EVERYTHING HERE IS POST ABLE.
UM, AND ALEX HAS AGREED TO, UH, CONFIRM OUR QUESTIONS TO THE R F I NUMBERS AND, AND POST THE, UH, THESE RESPONSES UNDER, UM, UH, UNDER EACH ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, UM, THERE'S ANY PROBLEM WITH POSTING ANYTHING, BUT I AM OPEN TO THE COMMITTEE.
IF THEY SEE SOMETHING THAT, UH, FEEL IT SHOULDN'T BE POSTED, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
UH, SO I'M, I'M, AND I'M OBVIOUSLY, UH, IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S ALSO UP TO ANNA AND HER, HER, UH, POSITION.
SO AT, AT THIS TIME, IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO HER.
UH, GREAT DIVE THAT YOU DID INTO, INTO ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS.
UM, UH, AGREE WITH YOU ON THE FOLLOW UPS, ON SOME OF THE FOLLOW-UPS THAT WE NEED TO DO, LIKE, LIKE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO DO LIKE, LIKE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
UH, ONE OTHER, UH, FOLLOW UP I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAS TO DO WITH THE ELECTRICITY GENERATION PRIMER.
UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, A GOOD EXPLANATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS FROM, UH, THE GENERATION TO THE HOMES, OR A DECENT EXPLANATION OF THAT.
UH, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE STORM, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ALSO HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF THE SUPPLY SIDE AND HOW THAT GETS TO, UH, THE GENERATION FACILITIES.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A, THERE'S A HOST OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THAT HAPPENS.
UM, BUT I'D, I'D LIKE YOUR THOUGHTS ON, ON THAT.
I, I THINK IT COULD BE HELPFUL.
I, I THINK IT COULD BE HELPFUL.
NOW, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING SUPPLY SIDE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE FUEL FOR THE PLANTS, OR ARE YOU REFERRING TO, UH, IS THAT, IS THAT A FUEL QUESTION ON SUPPLY SIDE OR IS IT A DISTRIBUTION? I MEAN, A TRANSMISSION QUESTION FROM THE PLANTS TO THE DISTRICT, TO THE LOCAL DISTRIBUTION.
I, I, IT'S PRE IT'S PRE GENERATION WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE GENERATION FACILITY.
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT COULD BE A FUEL QUESTION OR IT COULD BE A SOLAR QUESTION, DEPENDING WHERE THE, THE ENERGY, WHAT THE ENERGY SOURCE IS.
'CAUSE WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE, UH, CONFLICTS OR, OR PROBLEMS GETTING SOME OF THE SUPPLY OUT.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE TO, TO THE ACTUAL GENERATION FACILITY.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE PRIMER.
AND, AND THAT, THAT ACTUALLY, UH, TIES IN REALLY WELL TO OUR QUESTIONS ON FUEL, WHETHER IT WAS COAL, NATURAL GAS, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY TOO MUCH ABOUT THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL IN THE NUCLEAR PLANT AS FAR AS HOW THAT'S SUPPLIED.
BUT I DO THINK THE, THE, THE CONCEPT OF, OF HOW WE ARE SET UP TO SUPPLY, UH, COAL AND NATURAL GAS IS, IS, IS A GOOD POINT.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PICK UP, UM, ON THE RENEWABLES.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE A, THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD POINT TO TALK ABOUT.
UH, AND THAT IS WHAT'S EXPECTED OUT OF THE, THE RENEWABLES.
UM, AND BECAUSE, UH, THE ERCOT PRELIMINARY REPORT MADE A VERY GOOD POINT THAT, UH, UH, IT, THEY PUT THAT IN AT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CAPACITY, BUT WE KNOW IT RUNS ABOUT 30%.
SO I, I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO UNDERSTAND, I KNOW IT SOUNDS SILLY TO UNDERSTAND THE SUPPLY OF WIND AND, AND, AND, AND SUN DURING THAT PERIOD.
'CAUSE WHILE THAT IS, PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT IT AS A FUEL.
IT IS A FUEL, IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE COMING IN A DIFFERENT FORM.
AND, AND, UH, I'LL, UM, ANA, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF DRAFT UP HOW YOU'D LIKE THAT, UM, FOLLOW UP QUESTION, THEN, UH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT IT'S TOUGH TO FOLLOW REED WHEN HE'S, UH, WHEN HE DOES HIS WORK, RIGHT? IT'S VERY THOROUGH AND, UH, IT'S VERY HARD TO, TO THINK OF, OF WHAT ELSE YOU COULD POSSIBLY CONTRIBUTE.
UH, BUT I, BUT I DO HAVE A, A COUPLE OF OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT, UH, POSTING.
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OF THE MATERIALS ARE SELF-EXPLANATORY AND, UH, AND I'M OKAY WITH, WITH POSTING THOSE.UH, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVE TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW WE PUT THAT ON THE WEB SO THAT IT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO FOLLOW, UH, THE QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWERS.
SO ALEX, I WOULD LOVE TO, TO WORK WITH YOU ON, WELL, I'LL JUST STAND OVER YOUR SHOULDER AND POINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON PUTTING THOSE UP SO THAT THEY'RE EASY TO, TO READ BECAUSE, UH, I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW IF, IF IT'S LIKE IN SHAREPOINT AT ALL, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO FIND THE, THE DOCUMENTS AND WHAT THEY RELATE TO.
THE ONE THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT POSTING HAS TO DO WITH THE, WITH THE CIRCUIT DATA.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT IS SELF-EXPLANATORY AT ALL.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA CREATE A LOT OF
UH, I, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT.
UM, IT, IT, IT REALLY WASN'T RESPONSIVE.
AND I THINK, UH, PAUL, IN HIS COVER LETTER, WHICH Y'ALL CAN ALL SEE IN THE SHAREPOINT, HE UNDERSTANDS IT WASN'T RESPONSIVE.
AND, AND SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, UH, ANY QUESTION THERE.
AND IT, IT, YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT, ANNA, IT'S PROBABLY BETTER.
WE JUST WAIT TILL WE CAN PUT IT IN A, IN A FORMAT THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE.
PROBABLY IT'LL HAVE TO BE A G I SS TYPE FORMAT.
I, BUT, UH, I THINK WE WILL, UM, UM, BY POSTING THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, UH, WE WILL LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW.
AND I, I WANNA TELL THE, THE TEAM MEMBERS, I, I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN WHAT YOU GUYS TOLD REID AND I, THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY FOR THE PUBLIC TO DIGEST.
SO, UH, KEEPING THAT IN MIND, UH, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE WE PUT IT UP IN A, IN A READER FRIENDLY FORMAT, AND IF THERE'S ANY INTERPRETATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO US BEFORE WE POST IT, HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT.
AND, AND REID AND I WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING SOME OF THAT TWEAKING.
WELL, TO, TO ANNA, TO FOLLOW ON YOUR POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE PROBABLY THEN SHOULD POST ALL OF THOSE COMMUNICATION PIECES OKAY.
UNTIL WE PUT 'EM IN THE TIMELINE.
I, AGAIN, WE, WE CAN ALL SIT AND READ DOWN THROUGH THOSE AND GET A, GET A FEELING.
BUT, UH, IF THEY'RE IN MICRO PRINT, SO YOU CAN'T EVEN READ 'EM AND YOU CAN'T EXPAND 'EM OR SOMETHING, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO, UM, TO HOLD ON THOSE TOO.
UM, BECAUSE WHILE IT'S A, IT'S, IF, IF YOU SAY, WAS IT RESPONSIVE? IT IS, BUT IS IT COMMUNICATIVE? IS IT, ARE WE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE IT TO YOUR POINT ON A PROBABLY NOT.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, AND I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
I GUESS AT THIS POINT, WOULD OTHERS ON THE COMPANY, IF YOU HAVE MORE HONOR, HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, NOTHING ELSE.
UM, SO Y YES, WE'LL GO AROUND AND SEE IF OTHER PEOPLE, UH, HAVE COMMENTS.
I DO JUST WANNA MAKE, OR MAYBE ASK A QUESTION ON THIS LAST POINT, WHICH IS TO SAY, UM, AS, AS WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE HELP THE PUBLIC MOST CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE INFORMATION THAT'S COMING IN, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE, THERE ARE SORT OF THREE MAIN APPROACHES WE COULD TAKE.
O ONE WOULD BE TO RELEASE EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN AS WE GET IT, UH, AND, AND, AND LET THEM SORT OF TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT AND DIGEST IT.
O ONE WOULD BE TO NOT RELEASE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE'VE HAD MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ASKED, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SORT OF ANSWERS TO ONE QUESTION HERE, ONE QUESTION THERE, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, SOME CASES WHERE IT CAN BE CONFUSING TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE, THE PIECE OF INFORMATION WITHOUT THE, THE BROADER CONTEXT AND, AND WHAT'S SENSITIVE AND NOT, OR THERE'S THIS HYBRID PLACE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS WE MAKE SOME DECISIONS IN REAL TIME ABOUT WHAT WE RELEASE AND WHAT, WHAT WE HOLD.
AND, AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE IN THAT MIDDLE PLACE.
UM, AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT THAT
UM, I JUST THINK IT'S, WE OUGHT TO MAKE A DELIBERATE DECISION ABOUT THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA BE, AND THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS COMING FORWARD.
I, I DO NOT, I ALSO FEEL A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT
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BEING IN THE, IN THE HYBRID.MAYBE WE WANNA USE THE SAME CRITERIA FOR EACH DOCUMENT, EVEN THAT I THINK WE HAVE DIFFERING CRITERIA FOR, FOR DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
BUT I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO HEARING WHAT THE, WHAT THE GROUP HAS TO SAY BEFORE MAKING A A DECISION.
SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, LISA.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT, AND I THINK IF WE CAN ESTABLISH A FORMAT THAT WOULD FIT INTO, IF WE'RE GONNA KEEP THESE IN THE THREE DIFFERENT SILOS.
I KIND OF MADE A COUPLE OF NOTES.
UM, ONE TO, TO REED'S POINT, UM, PERHAPS WE MAKE AVAILABLE A EVOLVING TIMELINE WHERE WE CAN ESTABLISH WHAT FUNDAMENTALLY WE ALREADY HAVE AND THEN BEGIN TO PLUG THINGS IN.
IF WE'RE GONNA STAND, IF WE'RE GONNA STAY IN THE HYBRID WORLD, THEN WHAT WE KNOW AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING ON A TIMELINE, WE CAN HAVE UP FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE AS IT EVOLVES AND AS THAT GROWS, OTHERWISE, WE KEEP IT INTERNALLY.
BUT THAT, THAT TIMELINE, I THINK IS A WAY OF STARTING TO GET A COLLECTIVE EDUCATION ON WHAT THAT IS.
AND IT WOULD PERHAPS BE MORE INFORMATIVE TO ALL OF THE CITIZENS, UM, THAN JUST DISSECTING THE GROUP OF MATERIAL THAT WE ARE GETTING IN THE FORMAT THAT WE'RE GETTING IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT A SECTION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A GLOSSARY FOR EACH ONE OF THESE DIVISIONS, BECAUSE THERE ARE GONNA BE WORDS AND TERMINOLOGY THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO, TO BE ABLE TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE ON THE PAGE OF UNDERSTANDING FOR.
UM, AND THEN I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT EDUCATIONAL PIECE.
WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOW'S AND UNDERSTANDING HOW IT WORKS, WHAT IS IT TO, TO WHERE IT WORKS.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A, UM, TEXTBOOK VERSION OF THIS, BUT MAYBE WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE AS SOME TYPE OF AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THAT INFORMATION AS WE ARE GETTING THE ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS AND THEN PRESENTING THE ANSWERS AND THE QUESTIONS.
SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A PRELIMINARY THOUGHT OF MAYBE A WAY WE CAN PACKAGE AND HAVE THE UNIFORMITY OF, OF BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, THOUGHTS? UM, I, I THINK AS I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BASED ON, UM, ANNA AND LISA'S COMMENTS, I THINK WHERE I FALL OUT IS THAT, UM, MY, MY EXPERIENCE DOING THIS IN OTHER FORMS IS, IS YOU'D ESSENTIALLY GATHER ALL OF THE INFORMATION.
YOU, YOU WOULD SORT OF DIGEST IT.
YOU, YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, PUT SOMETHING OUT AT THE END, BUT YOU WOULDN'T SORT OF RELEASE INFORMATION AS YOU GO ALONG.
THAT SAID, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROCESS PERSONALLY.
I, I BELIEVE WE MADE A COMMITMENT WHEN WE STARTED TO BE TRANSPARENT, UH, WITH THE PUBLIC.
WE'RE DOING THIS FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT.
AND, AND THEREFORE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, THAT WE ERR ON THE SIDE OF, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENCY.
UH, UNLESS THERE'S SOME REALLY SPECIFIC REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T REALLY SOMETHING.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE SORT OF MAKE THAT THE SORT OF, UH, RULE OF ENGAGEMENT, IF YOU WILL, UH, THAT WE WILL RELEASE EVERYTHING KNOWING THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS COMING IN, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY IN A BETTER POSITION TO EVEN BE ABLE TO ANSWER SORT OF RESPONSES AND QUERIES THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THIS OR WHAT'S THAT? AND, AND TO BE ABLE TO SAY IT'S, WE KNOW IT'S ONLY PARTIAL AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OUT.
YOU JUST HAVE TO SORT OF BE PATIENT WITH THE PROCESS HERE, OTHER THAN BEING IN A POSITION OF WITHHOLDING INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, INEVITABLY WOULD PROBABLY GET OUT ANYWAY.
SO, UM, I CAN SEE, ADRIANA, HAVE YOU GOT YOUR, YOU'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? THANK YOU.
UM, AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT, AND I THINK THAT WE MADE A, A COMMITMENT AND, UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S ALREADY SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE, UM, SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, THEY, UH, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO, UH, FIND OUR MEETING BEING, UM, TELEVISED, WHICH I KNOW TODAY WE ARE ON T V S A 21.
AND SO I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT THERE WAS, UM, ALSO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, ET CETERA.
BUT I JUST, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO CONTINUE TO BE TRANSPARENT, TO PUSH OUT THE MESSAGE.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD CONTINUE SHARING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND, AND MAYBE PLACE AN EASY LINK TO COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL'S POINT OR TO ANA'S POINT, UM, THAT WE JUST NEED TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE INFORMATION IS ACCESSIBLE.
BUT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
I DON'T, I THINK THAT PEOPLE MIGHT QUESTION IF WE GO IN AND, AND TRY TO, UM, EVEN, YOU KNOW, UH, DECIDE WHAT TO SHARE, WHAT NOT TO SHARE.
SO THE GUIDING, UM, I, I GUESS, UH, GUIDING PRINCIPLES, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD CALL THEM, RIGHT? THAT SAY WHAT WE DO, SHARE WHAT WE DON'T SHARE.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL.
SO I ALSO AGREE WITH LISA'S, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT THAT SAYS WHAT, WHAT
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THAT, THAT WE SHARE EVERYTHING, BUT HERE'S, UH, IF IT, YOU KNOW, BECOMES SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY TELLS US THAT MAYBE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SHARE BECAUSE OF SOME, I DON'T KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW, CRITICAL, UH, POSITION THAT WE WOULD BE SHARING WITH, WITH SOMEONE WHO MIGHT WANT TO DO SOMETHING BAD WITH THE INFORMATION, ET CETERA.BUT YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU, ED.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO JUST, UH, LET YOU ALL KNOW, UM, MY, MY COLLEAGUES AND, AND, UH, CHAIR, UH, KNOWS ALREADY.
I'M GONNA STEP OUT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
TODAY'S THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE LARGEST DOMESTIC FOOD DRIVE, UM, IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND IT'S IN, IT WAS IN DISTRICT FOUR A YEAR AGO.
UM, YOU ALL SAW THE PICTURE THAT WENT AROUND THE WORLD.
I'M GONNA QUICKLY STEP UP FOR THAT, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL COME BACK AND YOU ARE STILL HERE, I WILL RESUME, BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO, UH, REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, ED.
AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, UH, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR OTHER EVENT.
UM, REID, I THINK I CAN TELL BY YOUR BODY LANGUAGE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
UH, THIS IS, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING HERE THAT TYPICALLY IS NOT DONE, AND THAT IS, UH, SERVE THE PUBLIC.
AND I DON'T MEAN THAT RIGHTLY.
UH, TYPICALLY THESE THINGS ARE DONE TO SERVE WHO'S PUTTING THE REPORT OUT.
SO TO FOLLOW ON ED'S POINT, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO, AS A GROUP, UH, KIND OF PECK THROUGH THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE DO VERY OFTEN, AND WHEN WE RELEASE SOMETHING, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S POINT THAT, THAT ANA AND, AND AND LISA BOTH MADE.
UM, WE WANT TO INFORM, SO IF WE AS A GROUP CAN LOOK AT STUFF, WE'RE A PRETTY DIVERSE GROUP HERE, AND WE CAN ALL SAY, YEAH, I THINK I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK THE FOLKS IN MY DISTRICT, IN AREAS THAT I, I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH, COULD UNDERSTAND IT, THEN I THINK WE CAN PUT IT OUT.
UH, WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED THE, THE, THE THING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE, UH, WE NEED TO BE PUTTING THIS OUT IN MY MIND IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH, SO THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
I DON'T WANNA GET A BUNCH OF STUFF OUT THERE IN ENGLISH AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARILY, UM, SPANISH SPEAKERS AND READERS FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT FOR THEM BECAUSE IT IS.
I THINK ED'S RIGHT, IT'S A HYBRID.
UH, AND UNTIL WE AS A GROUP, AND THAT'S WHY I BRING UP THIS PROCESS UNTIL WE AS A GROUP CAN AGREE, AND I THINK IT'S EVERYBODY HAS A VETO.
SO IF ONE PERSON SAYS, I DON'T THINK THIS OUGHT TO BE POSTED.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK FOLKS ARE GONNA UNDERSTAND IT, AND IT'S NOT CLEAR, THEY DOESN'T GET POSTED.
AND, UH, AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE VOTING.
IT'S MORE LIKE WE'RE DECIDING AND EVERY PERSON HAS A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, RIGHT TO SAY NO.
AND, UH, AND SO IN, IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE, UH, ANNA AND I WILL, WILL PROBABLY DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE OFFLINE AND WORK WITH ALEX.
UH, BUT I CLEARLY SEE THAT POSTING THINGS LIKE THE COMMUNICATION, THE BIG LONG COMMUNICATION LIST, THE BIG LONG LIST OF CIRCUITS THAT ARE NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY IDENTIFIED CLEARLY THAT THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO POST THOSE.
AND, BUT I DO THINK WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE ON THE, UM, ON THE BACKGROUND MATERIAL.
UH, IF, IF IN FACT, C P S DOES COME IN WITH THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND MATERIAL TO US IN A FORMAT THAT WE CAN WORK WITH IT, THEN I THINK MAYBE NEXT TIME NEXT WEEK WE CAN, WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO POST THAT.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW, ED, IF THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU ARE, THE OTHER GROUP, OTHER FOLKS ARE, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M OPEN FOR YEAH, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY FRESHMAN YEAR, FRANKLY.
YEAH, NO, I THINK WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THIS AND, AND MAKING PROGRESS.
WELL, UM, WE DID GET SOME ANSWERS FROM SAS, AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE ANSWERS YET.
BUT, UM, I, I WAS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH SAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, DON'T PULL ANY PUNCHES, ANSWER 'EM THE WAY YOU FEEL ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
AND, AND I'VE SAID THAT THIS COULD BE AN ITERATIVE, ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT IF SOMETHING ISN'T CLEAR, WE'LL COME BACK TO THEM.
BUT I, I, I FEEL A LITTLE SQUEAMISH ABOUT HOLDING THINGS BACK THAT, UH, UM, THAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE THAT'S ANSWERED BY EITHER THE CITY SAWS OR, OR C P SS INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, LET IT COME OUT THERE.
BUT PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT THIS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS AND,
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UH, THINGS MIGHT NEED TO BE CLEARED UP OR, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COMING OUT THERE.AND, UM, WHEN WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH SAWS, I'M SURE THAT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH.
AND, UH, BUT I WANT TO GET INFORMATION OUT THERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL PEOPLE THAT WANNA KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND, UH, UM, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT SQUEAMISH ABOUT HOLDING THINGS BACK INITIALLY TO THEN GO BACK TO THE, UH, AGENCY FIRST AND THEN PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE.
UM, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS ON THAT.
I, I, I WANT TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AND THEN IF THERE'S THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP OR CLARIFIED, WHATEVER WE CAN, WE CAN GET OUT THERE AND DO THAT.
SO THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS ON THAT.
LISA, I'M GONNA, KIND OF TYING IN SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS FOR ME, AND WE CAN GET SOME GUIDANCE, I THINK FROM, FROM BEN, FROM STAFF, IS THAT IF, FOR THE TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES, WE'VE GOT FOLKS THAT WE DON'T WANNA INSULT THEIR INTELLIGENCE, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE THINGS, PERHAPS BETTER, MUCH OF IT BETTER THAN I DO.
UM, SO PERHAPS WE COULD LOOK AT HOW WE DO THAT FORMAT AND OFFER THAT RESOURCE RESOURCE PAGE OR A SEGMENT THAT GIVES YOU LIKE A BIBLIOGRAPHY, AND THOSE WHO WANNA MINE THROUGH WHAT WE DO DECIDE TO PUT UP, CAN MINE THROUGH THAT WHATEVER DESIRE THAT THEY WANT.
UM, BUT THAT WE GIVE OUR UNDERSTANDING AS IT EVOLVES, UM, AS A WAY OF DOING THAT OTHER ASPECT OF PRESENTATION.
AND I THINK MAYBE THEN WE'RE NOT MAKING THOSE ASSUMPTIONS INACCURATELY.
LET ME, UH, TO, TO THESE POINTS, ASK FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION HERE, MAYBE FROM BEN.
UM, DID, WHEN WE WENT TO C P S SAWS AND COSA, DID WE MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ANYTHING THAT THEY GAVE US WAS ESSENTIALLY IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, UH, AND THEY, THEY SHOULD EXPECT IT TO BE RELEASED? UH, GOOD MORNING.
I THINK WE MADE THAT PRETTY CLEAR WITH BOTH ENTITIES THAT ANYTHING THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US WAS GOING TO BE LIKELY POSTED OR COULD BE POSTED, UH, AND MADE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
YEAH, SO IN MY MIND, TH THIS IS REALLY BACK TO THE POINT OF TRYING TO BE MOST HELPFUL TO THE PUBLIC, AND HOW CAN WE DO THAT WHILE BEING AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE? AND, AND SO I'M, I THINK THERE'S SORT OF TWO BINS OF INFORMATION MAYBE THAT, THAT, THAT MAYBE, THAT MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD.
ONE, ONE WOULD BE SORT OF WHAT WE POST ON THE, YOU KNOW, MAIN WEBSITE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, HERE'S THE QUESTION AND HERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK IS THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION GIVEN INFORMATION THAT'S COME IN.
UM, AND SO WE, AS WE MOVE ALONG, WE, WE HAVE WHAT WE THINK ARE THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK AND WHAT, WHAT WE THINK THE, THE RESPONSE WAS.
UM, AND, AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S AFTER WE'VE, YOU KNOW, ASK A SECONDARY QUESTION IF THERE'S A SECONDARY QUESTION AFTER THE INITIAL INFORMATION COMES IN.
SO THERE'S JUST SORT OF THIS PLACE THAT SAYS, HERE'S ALL THE QUESTIONS AND HERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE THINK IS THE SORT OF THE FINAL ANSWER TO IT.
AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER PLACE, ALMOST TO THE BIBLIOGRAPHY PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST SORT OF A CATCH FOR ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT THAT WAS SENT IN, BECAUSE IN MY VIEW, IT'S IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
I MEAN, AND EVEN EVEN THE INFORMATION ON THE, UH, TEXT MESSAGES AND COMMUNICATIONS THAT WENT OUT AS LONG AND AS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, LABORIOUS AS IT IS, THOSE WERE ALL SENT OUT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE SECRET.
IT, IT'S REALLY, IT'S JUST, IT'S A LOT AND IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING, AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE SOME SENSE OUT OF IT, NOT ONLY IN ITS OWN SORT OF BOX, BUT AS IT RELATES TO THE OTHER THREE BOXES OF COMMUNICATION.
THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE THAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TEASE OUT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME IF WE, IF WE HAVE THESE SORT OF TWO PLACES WHERE WE'RE POSTING INFORMATION, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SORT OF ACHIEVE BOTH OBJECTIVES OF, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S SORT OF FOR CLARITY WHERE WE ARE NOW AND PUTTING THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE TOGETHER BASED ON QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
AND HERE'S SORT OF THE, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT'S IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL AGREED W WAS THERE.
SO, UH, REED, YEAH, NO, I, I THINK WE'RE HITTING ON IT.
UM, LET'S GO BACK TO THE, THE, TO, UH, WHAT CLAYTON, UH, WAS SAYING, AND LET'S USE AN EXAMPLE.
UM, AND, AND THAT EXAMPLE IS, UM, UM, THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, HANG ON A MINUTE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO MUTE FOR A MINUTE.
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OKAY.UM, I THINK WE WE'RE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.
UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.
IT'S NOT COMPLETELY RESPONSIVE, BUT IT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.
AND SO TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON, UH, ON ED'S POINT, IF WE HAVE A PENDING AREA AND, AND WHAT WE CALL A, A FINAL ANALYSIS AREA, THEN WE COULD, WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IN THE PENDING AREA, PEOPLE WILL CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THIS, WE GET IT OUT, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
SO, UH, I COULD PUT, WE COULD PUT THE, THE ORGANIZATION CHART THAT WE GOT WITH THE PICTURES ON IT, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS DURING THE TIME OF THE EVENT, BUT THERE'S TWO PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
IT, IT DOESN'T GIVE US ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION, AND IT'S NOT THE CURRENT ORGANIZATION.
SO THERE'S PROBABLY, IF WE DO TAKE THIS PENDING, IF YOU WILL, PENDING AND, YOU KNOW, IN, IN PROCESS, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE IT OVER TO THE FINAL, MAYBE THAT WILL HELP, UH, TRANSPARENCY AND UNDERSTANDING.
SO IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T EVEN THINK'S FINISHED, THEY CAN LOOK AT IT.
BUT IF THEY WANNA LOOK AT WHAT WE BELIEVE THE ANALYSIS IS, UH, THEN, THEN THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
AND TAKING ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THESE CIRCUITS.
SO I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE RECEIVING INFORMATION BECAUSE HOW YOU RECEIVE INFORMATION IS INFORMATION.
AND, AND IF, IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT IN, IN THESE, IF YOU WOULD, IN THESE TWO BOXES, I, I, THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE IT JUST WHAT ED'S SAYING, JUST MY THOUGHT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD WAY TO APPROACH IT.
REID, UH, ANNA, I, I THINK WE'RE COMING TO A CONSENSUS.
UH, I THINK WE'RE COMING TO A CONSENSUS.
I DO BELIEVE FOR THE, THE ANSWERS THAT AREN'T READY TO GO TO THE FINAL, UH, PORTAL, UH, MAYBE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT, LIKE, WE ARE, UH, PURSUING A FOLLOW UP, UH, QUESTION ON THIS TO, TO, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE ALSO WANNA REPORT TO THE PUBLIC WHERE WE ARE IN OUR, IN OUR PROCESS AND, AND PERHAPS OUR REACTION TO, TO THE ANSWERS THAT WE GOT.
UM, SO I, I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF DOING THAT, UH, WITH, UH, WITH SOME SORT OF FRAMING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THAT CHART, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD BE UTTERLY CONFUSING.
SO SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HEY, WE KNOW WE'RE NOT DONE, UH, ON THIS.
I JUST WANT US TO ALSO THINK ABOUT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS WHEN THAT INTERIM INFORMATION IS POSTED.
UH, AND, UH, AND, AND LISA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS AND, AND WE'LL DIVE INTO IT.
UH, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
WHAT, WHAT PROCESS, UH, WILL WE HAVE FOR THAT, IF, IF ANY? UM, OKAY.
NOW, SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION.
UM, REID, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ALREADY SORT OF THOUGHT THROUGH THAT.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, THE WEBSITE IS CONTINUING BRING IT.
SO IF, LET'S JUST SAY WE POST SOMETHING UNDER THE PENDING, UH, AND LET, LET'S TAKE AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE I WORK BETTER WITH EXAMPLES.
LET'S JUST SAY WE, WE POST THE PRIMER OR PRIMER AND, UH, AND, AND THEN PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT WHERE, JUST LIKE ANNA SAID, THAT DOESN'T COVER THE WHOLE THING.
AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN INTEGRATIVELY WORK ON THAT AND THEY'LL KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY, UH, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING, A BANNER ABOVE THIS PENDING AREA OR, OR IN ANALYSIS AREA OR INFORMATION RECEIVED, BUT, BUT NOT INCOMPLETE.
HOWEVER, THEY WANT TO, HOWEVER, WE WANT TO SAY THAT IF WE HAVE THAT AREA AND WE HAVE THAT EXPLANATION, THEN THAT MIGHT ABSOLUTELY ELICIT QUESTIONS, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WHICH, WHICH THEN WOULD HELP US IN MAKING OUR FOLLOW UP.
UM, I, I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I'M ALWAYS THE ONE APPLYING THE KISS, UH, THEORY HERE.
YOU KNOW, KEEP IT SIMPLE, UM, ABOUT GOING TO A SEPARATE LIST, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHTING THOSE THAT WE'RE STILL DOING THE FOLLOW UP ON, AND ACTUALLY SHOW A PROGRESSION ON THAT SAME LIST, I, WHEN WE START INTRODUCING ANOTHER LIST, YOU KNOW, WHO THAT'S STARTING TO
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MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR FOLKS TO FOLLOW AND, AND, UH, UH, CHECK THINGS OUT AND SEE WHAT THE PROGRESS IS.I THINK IF WE IDENTIFY IT ALL ON ONE LIST, SHOWING STILL, STILL UNDER REVISION OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THOSE ITERATIVE, UH, ANSWERS COMING IN, UH, YOU KNOW, POST IT ALL ON THE SAME DOCUMENT, I, I, I'M, I, I JUST WANNA KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE AND NOT HAVING TO NAVIGATE THROUGH DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS AND KEEPING THINGS STRAIGHT, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS PROCESS.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.
I, I AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF, OF SHOWING WHAT'S COMING IN AS IT'S COMING IN AND, AND IF WE'RE FO STILL FOLLOWING UP ON THINGS, IDENTIFY THOSE YEAH.
IN THAT SAME DOCUMENT AND THE ANSWERS IN THAT SAME DOCUMENT.
YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
BUT THAT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
BUT WE'VE GOT, AND I KNOW ALEX IS WORKING ON THIS WITH THE IT GROUP, UH, SHE, SHE CAN'T ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING DIRECTLY TO THE WEBSITE THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER GROUP.
AND IN USING THE WEBSITE, WE'RE TRYING TO SET THESE TABS UP.
AND, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT, THAT WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON, ON WHAT CLAYTON'S SAYING IS KEEPING IT SIMPLE, IF WE CAN HAVE THESE TABS THAT ARE CLEAR FOR PEOPLE AND THEY CAN CLICK ON 'EM, UH, THERE'LL BE THERE, THERE'LL BE A WAY TO ACTUALLY KIND OF TELL 'EM WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
BUT I, I DO THINK IF WE CAN CLEARLY PUT IN PEOPLE'S HEADS THAT THEY'RE IN A WORK AREA AS OPPOSED TO A FINAL REPORT AREA, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO READ THE BOTTOM LINE, AND THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT WANNA READ EVERLY.
AND SO IT MIGHT HELP IF, IF IT'S STILL OKAY WITH THE GROUP TO HAVE THE TWO BUCKETS, AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD, UM, THAT'S BACK TO YOU, CLAYTON, FOR YOUR, YOUR ADVICE.
IF I MIGHT JUST, AND THEN WE'LL GO, UM, MANNY HASN'T TALKED YET, AND THEN BACK TO YOU CLAYTON, TO SUM UP.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE I AM, WHICH IS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I, I MENTIONED SORT OF THE, THE COMMENT EARLIER, I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT BUILDING THE WATCH, THEY JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS.
AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANNA, YOU KNOW, KNOW HOW YOU BUILT THE WATCH.
AND I THINK WE CAN SERVE BOTH PURPOSES IF IN ONE SECTION WE'RE JUST TELLING THEM TO OUR RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT TIME IT IS
IF YOU WANNA KNOW HOW WE BUILT THE WATCH, GO OVER HERE AND DIG TO YOUR HEART'S, YOU KNOW, CONTENT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT HOW ALL THE CIRCUITS IN THE WORLD WORK.
UM, I, I THINK THAT'S A, A THAT, THAT IF I WERE A PUBLIC PERSON, THAT WOULD BE SIMPLER FOR ME.
UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF ALL I WANNA KNOW IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE HERE? WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION? UM, SO I I'M SORT OF IN THAT, THAT PLACE, MANNY.
AND THE, I I THINK WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PUT OUT SOME OF BOTH, RIGHT? AND, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE BEAUTY, UH, I, I THINK THE, THE FEW LAWYERS IN THE ROOM KNOW THAT, THAT THERE'S MAGICAL LANGUAGE OUT THERE, UH, THAT WE INCLUDE IN ALL PLEADINGS.
AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO AMEND AS WE LEARN MORE, RIGHT? UH, AND THAT WORKS FOR ME.
UH, AND I THINK THE PUBLIC, IF YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, THE DISCLAIMER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT A DISCLAIMER ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, THIS IS A FLUID SITUATION, AND YOU KNOW, AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION, SOME OF THESE ANSWERS MAY CHANGE, BUT FOR NOW, WE THINK THAT IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, UM, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL, Y'ALL ARE GETTING THEM AS WE'RE GETTING THEM, RIGHT? AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL FAULT US FOR, FOR THAT.
UM, I, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, UH, I THINK ALL OF US WENT OUT TO OUR DISTINCT COMMUNITIES AND PROMISED THEM THAT WE'D BE GETTING THEM INFORMATION AS WE RECEIVED IT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT PROMISE.
CLAYTON, DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THIS? NO, SIR.
I, I, AGAIN, I, I AGREE WITH MANNY.
YOU KNOW, AS WE GET THIS STUFF IN, PUT IT OUT THERE.
IF WE NEED TO REVISE SOMETHING OR FOLLOW UP WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, EITHER, YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHATEVER COMES UP WITH ON, ON THE PROPOSAL ON THIS, AND YOU CAN GO FROM THERE.
UM, LET'S, UH, ASK BEN, UM, CAN YOU ALL SORT OF TAKE WHAT WE HAVE SAID AND COME UP WITH A SORT OF ARCHITECTURE ON HOW IT WOULD BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE? RUN IT BY, BY REED, UM,
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UH, AND I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT TOO AS THE VICE CHAIR.AND THEN, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A TOPIC, YOU KNOW, FOR NEXT MEETING, THAT WE ALL, UH, ARE HAPPY WITH THAT FORMAT AND WE CAN TWEAK IT AS NECESSARY.
BUT IF YOU TAKE THE INITIAL CUT IT MAKING THOSE TWO PLACES BINS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO WHERE WE CAN POST IT, THAT'D BE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED TO ANSWER TO, TO DO THAT? UH, NO, SIR.
UH, WE, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY GO BACK AND, AND WORK ON THAT.
UH, APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND, AND WE'LL TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND WE'LL TRY TO BRING YOU AN OPTION BACK NEXT WEEK.
I'D LIKE TO GO AROUND AND CONTINUE TO GET EVERYBODY'S RESPONSES TO THE C P SS QUESTIONS.
UM, LISA, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, I, I AM RIGHT WHERE ANNA'S COMMENTS HAD BEEN THAT THERE'S THIS DELL USE OF INFORMATION AND I'VE BEEN KIND OF SIPHONING IT THROUGH.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT LEAPS OUT RIGHT AWAY FOR ME THAT, UM, OTHER THAN THE THREE OF THE AREAS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOUCHED ON FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.
UM, SO NOTHING IS REALLY KIND OF COMING OUT AT ME AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT I WOULD SEE NEEDED TO BE FILTERED OUT MORE UNTIL I THINK I LOOK AT IT NEXT TO SOME OF SAS INFORMATION.
I THINK THAT THE MORE THAT WE SEE THE INTERPLAY, THEN WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO FILTER THROUGH CLAYTON.
THE, UM, IN THIS, I DIDN'T SEE IT, OR MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT, BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP HERE RECENTLY IN THE LAST FEW DAYS IS, UH, HAD A QUESTION FROM SOMEONE THAT ASKED, YOU KNOW, WE WERE PURCHASING POWER, WE WERE PURCHASING THIS GAS, THAT KIND OF THING AT PREMIUM PRICES, BUT DID C P S ACTUALLY SELL ANY POWER BACK TO ERCOT DURING THIS TIME? AND IF SO, HOW MUCH DID THEY SELL BACK? AND WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS OUTCOME AND HOW MUCH WAS ACTUALLY SOLD IF IT WAS AT ALL? THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND, AND YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS NOT IN THE INITIAL QUESTIONS WE SENT OVER? I, I, I DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT.
DO YOU, UH, GO AHEAD, HONOR ANA.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT WAS IN THERE, BUT I'LL CHECK AGAIN CLAYTON TO MAKE SURE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE QUESTIONS IN FRONT OF ME, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PRINTER UP HERE.
BUT, UM, I DO REMEMBER ASKING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ERCOT QUESTION, UH, WHAT WERE WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE WE RECEIVING? WHAT WERE WE, WE, UH, WE WERE, WE, UH, DELIVERING, UH, TO THE GRID? AND SINCE THEY HAD PEGGED IT AT 9,000 FROM THE BEGINNING OF, OF THE 15TH, OR AT LEAST EARLY ON THE THAT TIME, WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW THE PRICE AND ALL WE NEED TO KNOW IS THE VOLUME.
AND I THOUGHT WE ASKED THAT, BUT I'LL CHECK THAT, CLAY.
WELL, I, AGAIN, THE PRICE FOR NATURAL, NATURAL GAS THAT WAS COMING INTO THE SYSTEM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S IN A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
SO THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
THERE'S ONE QUESTION ON, ON PURCHASING, UH, GAS, AND THERE WAS ONE QUESTION ON, ON OUR, ON OUR, UM, EXCHANGE BACK AND FORTH ON, UH, WITH ERCOT.
SO THERE WAS TWO, TWO QUESTIONS AS I REMEMBER.
READ REID ACTUALLY, IT, IT IS THERE.
UM, ALEX GO UP TO RIGHT UNDER, DURING EXECUTION REACTION FROM FEBRUARY 9TH THROUGH FEBRUARY 19TH.
I THINK IT'S THE FIRST BULLET, AND WE'LL GET THESE, UH, WE'LL GET THESE QUESTIONS CHANGED.
UH, YOU MAKE THAT A LITTLE LARGER.
I THINK WE, YOU MAY BE THINKING ABOUT THAT BULLET RIGHT THERE.
HOW MUCH POWER WAS PRODUCED BY EACH GENERATION UNIT OR RECEIVE FROM EACH PURCHASE POWER SOURCE? IT'S ON DOWN.
UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION, UM, PROVIDE THE AMOUNT, PRICE, TIMING OF MEGAWATT HOURS, UH, PURCHASE ARE SOLD TO ERCOT.
SO THAT GIVES THE BALANCE IN AND OUT.
I THINK IF NOT, WE CAN MODIFY THAT QUESTION.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THAT KIND OF COVERS IT.
IT, IT WAS JUST, OKAY, WE PURCHASED SO MUCH POWER, BUT DID WE SELL ANY TO ERCOT TO PUT BACK INTO THE GRID? WELL, WE DON'T REMEMBER.
THAT'S WHAT, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET IN THAT.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THERE'S, THERE'S TWO KINDS OF DEALS.
THERE'S KIND OF DAY AHEAD AND THEN THERE'S, UH, IMMEDIATE, AND THAT'S THE ANCILLARY SERVICES.
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SO THEN I TRIED TO COVER, I TRIED TO COVER IT IN THE SECOND QUESTION AND, UH, FOR ERCOT, AND, UM, THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ON NATURAL GAS, UH, THAT'S ON THERE TOO.SO IF, IF, IF THOSE DON'T GET IT, THEN LET'S, WE'LL, WE'LL FIX THOSE QUESTIONS AND, AND CHANGE 'EM.
I I CAN'T SEE THE NATURAL GAS QUESTION, BUT IT WAS IN THERE TOO.
I THINK, I THINK CLAYTON'S SATISFIED AT THIS POINT.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, UH, MANNY.
UM, I THINK MY ONLY COMMENTS ARE THAT, UM, AS, AS I, I APPRECIATED, UM, SORT OF THE PRIMERS FROM C P S, I LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT HOW THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS, IS SUPPOSED TO OPERATE.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS IN, UH, CLEAR ENOUGH LANGUAGE THAT A, YOU KNOW, UH, AN BOMBER PILOT COULD UNDERSTAND IT.
SO I THOUGHT THEY DID A GOOD JOB WITH THAT.
UM, I THINK THE OTHER COMMENT OR THOUGHT THAT I HAD WAS THAT AS I'M, AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SORT OF THE INFORMATION FLOW, AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN, IN THE EXPRESS NEWS THIS MORNING ABOUT ERCOT IN THEIR INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WHEN AND WHERE, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THAT, THAT WAS, IT'S, IT'S WORTH YOUR TIME TO READ.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, AS WE TRY TO CONNECT THE DOTS ON THE INFORMATION FLOW, I THINK IN ADDITION TO THE TIMELINE, I'M STARTING JUST TO THINK ABOUT SORT OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT INFORMATION, UH, NEEDED TO BE AVAILABLE.
WHO DID IT NEED TO GET TO AND, AND WHEN DID IT NEED TO GET TO THEM, RIGHT? SORT OF THE BASIC THREE QUESTIONS YOU ASK ABOUT INFORMATION.
AND AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE DIFFERENT SOURCES ABOUT WHAT INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE, WE COULD START TO PUT TOGETHER THE STORY OF WAS IT COMPLETE? UH, DID IT GET TO THE RIGHT ENTITY AND DID IT GET TO THE RIGHT ENTITY IN A TIMELY MANNER THAT THEY COULD TAKE ACTION ON IT? WHETHER IT WAS A HOMEOWNER, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT DO THEY NEED TO GO BUY FIREWOOD OR WAS IT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OR, OR, OR WHATEVER.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S A, AGAIN, PART OF THE SERVICE THAT, THAT WE CAN, THAT WE CAN RENDER TO THE COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE SOME, TO SOME EXTENT, THE PICTURE COMING OUT RIGHT NOW IS VOLUMES AND VOLUMES OF INFORMATION THAT WAS POSTED OUT THERE BY VARIOUS ENTITIES, RIGHT? AND SO JUST LOOKING AT THE VOLUMES OF IT, YOU GO, OH, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TELLING EVERYBODY EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED TO KNOW, BUT CLEARLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE END RESULT, YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, UH, DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHY.
SO, UM, THAT WAS MY ONLY COMMENT.
I, I THINK, UH, NEXT WEEK WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO, UH, GO THROUGH THE SAWS DATA AS WE DID TODAY.
I THINK THE WAY THAT, UH, THAT, UH, CHAIRMAN REED AND ANA WENT THROUGH THIS IS W WAS HELPFUL TO ME INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GO THROUGH EVERY QUESTION, JUST SORT OF SUMMARIZING WHERE WE ARE WITH THE INFORMATION AND HOW WE WANNA HANDLE IT MOVING FORWARD.
SO IF THE FOLKS ON THE SAS, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, GET A CHANCE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION AND PROVIDE SOME ASSESSMENT TO US NEXT WEEK, THAT WILL BE GREAT.
UH, I SUSPECT WE WILL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL C P SS QUESTIONS AGAIN NEXT WEEK.
SO WE WILL, UH, ANSWERS NEXT WEEK.
AND SO WE WILL COVER THOSE AND HOPEFULLY, UH, BEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT TIMELINE THE CITY IS ON WITH RESPECT TO THEIR RESPONSES? UH, YES, SIR.
UM, I THINK YOU'LL START GETTING RESPONSES ON THOSE QUESTIONS NEXT WEEK AS WELL.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO ALL THREE IF WE HAVE THEM NEXT WEEK.
UH, AND THEN CONTINUE THIS UNTIL IT NO LONGER MAKES SENSE, UH, WITH THAT.
UM, ANY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TODAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, ANYTHING FROM YOUR END? I THINK THAT'S A NO.
SO ANY, ANYBODY