* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:01:04] GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, A SESSION AGENDA. IF I COULD ASK YOU ALL TO TAKE YOUR SEATS RIGHT NOW, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. TIME IS 9:17 AM ON THIS THURSDAY, APRIL 15TH, 2020. 2011. EXCUSE ME. 2021. UM, AND MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU START A ROLE? YES, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER VRAN. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. COUNCIL MEMBER GABRIEL . SO HAPPY TO BE HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ELIAS. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. HERE. MAYOR NUREMBERG. HERE. YES SIR. WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALRIGHT. GOOD MORNING AGAIN EVERYONE. UH, [1. 21-2864 Invocation] I'D LIKE TO ASK NOW, COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ, UH, TO KICK US OFF BY WELCOMING OUR INDICATOR. THANK YOU. MAYOR SISTER PEARL CAESAR. C D P IS A SUPERIOR GENERAL OF THE SISTERS OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE OF SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. SHE WAS INSTALLED IN THIS POSITION ON JUNE 17TH, 2017. SISTER PEARL HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE SISTERS OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE FOR 60 YEARS. THE SISTERS OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE WERE FOUNDED IN TEXAS IN 1866, AND OUR SPONSORS OF OUR LADY OF THE LAKE UNIVERSITY AND PROVIDENCE CATHOLIC SCHOOL IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, AND MOI RETREAT CENTER IN CASTROVILLE. THE SISTERS OF THE CONGREGATION SERVE THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND MEXICO IN VARIOUS MINISTRIES SUCH AS TEACHING, TEACHING, SOCIAL WORK, COUNSELING, LEGISLATIVE WORK, COMMUNITY ORGANIZING, AND PASTORAL WORK. PRIOR TO BEING ELECTED TO THE LEADERSHIP OF HER CONGREGATION, SISTER PEARL WAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PROJECT QUEST IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS FOR SIX YEARS. IN THE YEARS PRIOR TO QUEST, SISTER PEARL WAS AN ORGANIZER IN THE SOUTHWEST WITH THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS FOUNDATION FOR OVER 40 YEARS. SHE WAS A LEAD ORGANIZER OF COPS METRO ALLIANCE. WHEN PROJECT QUEST WAS FOUNDED, PART OF HER RESPONSIBILITIES IN ORGANIZING WAS SUPERVISING ANOTHER 10 WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT INTERMEDIARIES INITIATED BY THE I I A F ORGANIZATIONS AND MODELED AFTER QUEST SISTER PEARL CAESAR, C D P OH, I'M SORRY, UM, THAT THIS IS A REPEAT. SO, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH SISTER PEARL FOR BEING WITH US, UM, THIS MORNING. AND OF COURSE, UM, SISTER PEARL, UH, IS NO STRANGER, UH, TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND REALLY NO STRANGER TO THIS CITY. UM, SISTER PEARL'S ALSO MY NEIGHBOR. SHE JUST LIVES, UH, ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM ME. AND IN ADDITION TO HER WISE COUNSEL, UH, ON MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES, UM, ESPECIALLY OUR, UH, NEW, UH, READY TO WORK PROGRAM. UM, SISTER PEARL HAS BEEN, UM, SUCH A IMPORTANT MENTOR FOR SO MANY WOMEN, UH, IN, IN SAN ANTONIO. I, I CAN REMEMBER, UM, CHOKO MESSA, MY CHIEF OF STAFF, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE NUNS, UH, AND HOW THE NUNS WERE THE FIRST WOMEN'S ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD. UH, AND SINCE THEN, UH, SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS MODEL AFTER THE NUNS AND AS WAS SO, UH, IM, UH, I GUESS HUMOROUS, WRITTEN BY RICK CASEY'S ARTICLE. ERIC, WE KNOW THAT YOU ALSO LISTEN TO THE NUNS. UM, SO, UH, AND WE ALL DO. UM, PART OF MY UPBRINGING WAS ALSO IN THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND WE LEARNED SO MUCH, UM, FROM OUR FAITH. AND I KNOW SISTER PEARL WILL SHARE WITH US SOME WORDS OF WISDOM. BUT ON A PERSONAL [00:05:01] NOTE, UH, SISTER PEARL AND I WERE AT A LUNCH SOMEWHERE AND I HAD MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER, SELENA, IN MY ARMS, AND SHE SAYS, WHO'S THIS? AND I SAID, THIS IS MY DAUGHTER. AND SHE SAID, YOU HAD ANOTHER BABY . AND SHE LAUGHED AND LAUGHED FOR AT LEAST FIVE MORE MINUTES. UM, AND SO THAT WAS ABOUT ALL THE WORDS THAT SHE NEEDED TO TELL ME, UM, IN HER, UH, WISDOM, UM, OF MOTHERHOOD. UH, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH SISTER PEARL FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING. SHE ALSO NOTED TO ME THAT, UH, WE HAVE HAD VERY FEW WOMEN GIVE OUR INVOCATIONS. AND, UM, LAST WEEK COUNCILMAN GAN, UH, BROUGHT SISTER ODELIA, UH, TO THE DIOCESE TO LEAD US AN INVOCATION. SO IN SOME PARTING WORDS, I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE, UM, ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU HAVE AN INDICATOR, UH, TO PLEASE MAKE IT A WOMAN. UM, SO I WILL LEAVE THAT, UH, WITH YOU SISTER PEARL, TO GIVE US SOME WORDS OF ONE SEVEN THIS MORNING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ FOR INVITING ME TODAY. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRAY WITH YOU. LET US REMEMBER THAT WE ARE IN THE HOLY PRESENCE OF GOD. PROVIDENT GOD, YOUR WISDOM IS BEYOND OUR UNDERSTANDING, YET YOU REVEAL IT TO US DAILY IN OUR LIVES. BLESS THIS COUNCIL AND ALL OF US AS WE BEGIN THE DELIBERATION OF THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. ENLIGHTEN US WITH YOUR WORD AND FILL US WITH YOUR SPIRIT THAT WE MAY FOLLOW THE PATH THAT LEADS US TO YOUR DIVINE WISDOM. MAKE US INSTRUMENTS OF YOUR PEACE. BLESS US WITH YOUR COMPASSION, WITH YOUR PATIENCE, JOY AND PEACE. HELP US REMEMBER THE GOD-GIVEN DIGNITY OF ALL PEOPLE AND INVITE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME. OPEN OUR EYES THAT WE MAY SEE YOUR PRESENCE EACH DAY. SHOW US HOW TO BUILD BRIDGES AND NOT WALLS. HELP US TO SEE WITH YOUR EYES THAT UNITE US RATHER THAN DIVIDE US. LET US SEEK TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE ASKING TO BE UNDERSTOOD. OPEN OUR EARS THAT WE MAY HEAR YOUR VOICE IN UNEXPECTED PLACES. GIVE US A LISTENING HEART FILLED WITH EMPATHY AND COMPASSION. MAY WE BE CLEAR IN SHARING OUR OWN POSITIONS AND RESPECTFUL AND CIVIL IN DESCRIBING THOSE OF OTHERS. OPEN OUR MINDS THAT WE MAY UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERY OF YOUR LOVE. LET US NEVER TOLERATE HATEFUL IDEAS. MAY WE INVITE ALL TO CHARITY AND LOVE, OPEN OUR HEARTS THAT WE MAY HAVE YOUR HEART AND GROW IN LIGHTNESS TO YOUR MIND AND HEART. PROVIDENT. GOD, HELP US IMITATE YOUR COMPASSION AND YOUR WISDOM. MAKE US AN INSTRUMENT OF YOUR PEACE. AMEN. [2. 21-2865 Pledge of Allegiance] FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR INVITING YOU TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SISTER PEARL. [3. 21-2866 Approval of Minutes from the City Council Meetings of February 11, 2021, February 17, 2021, and February 18, 2021] ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES, UH, FROM FEBRUARY 11TH, FEBRUARY 17TH, AND FEBRUARY 18TH, 2021. IS THERE A MOTION FOR THOSE MINUTES? SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION BY ANDREW SULLIVAN, SECOND BY VERAN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. YES. [00:10:08] ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. [Additional Item 1] ALL RIGHT. I AM VERY PROUD TO, UH, WELCOME TO THE CHAMBERS THIS MORNING. A VERY SPECIAL GUEST, UH, YOU MAY HAVE ALL HEARD HER NAME OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, UH, PROBABLY WELL BEFORE THAT, KIANA WILLIAMS, UH, IS A POINT GUARD FROM STANFORD UNIVERSITY WHOSE TEAM WON THE 2021 NCAA WOMEN'S CHAMPIONSHIP RIGHT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. KIANA, AS YOU KNOW, IS A GRADUATE OF WAGNER HIGH SCHOOL, AND SHE WILL BE ENTERING THE W N B A DRAFT TODAY, UH, TONIGHT, IN FACT, GO AHEAD AND STAND UP. KIANA KIANA, UM, IN HER MOST, UH, RECENT, EXCUSE ME, IN ESPN'S MOST RECENT MOCK DRAFT, WILLIAMS IS A TOP 10 PICK DURING HER NCAA TITLE WITH STANFORD, SHE LED THE CARDINAL IN SCORING WITH 14 POINTS PER GAME, ASSISTS WITH 3.1 ASSISTS PER GAME, AND MINUTES. PLAYED WITH 32.3 MINUTES PER GAME. SHE FINISHED WITH A PROGRAM BEST 311 THREE-POINTERS IN HER COLLEGE CAREER. MAYBE YOU NEED TO BE SIGNING WITH THE SPURS FROM E S P N. WILLIAMS NEVER MISSED A GAME DURING HER FOUR-YEAR CAREER, MAKING 128 STRAIGHT STARTS TO FINISH HER TIME ON THE FORM ON THE FARM. AMONG HER 137 TOTAL GAMES, SHE ALSO WON THE SILVER WITH THE UNITED STATES AT THE PAN-AMERICAN GAMES IN LIMA, PERU IN 2019. AND RE RECENTLY, KIANA WAS INTERVIEWED BY OUR LOCAL MEDIA OUTLETS AND WAS ASKED, WHAT ADVICE DOES SHE HAVE FOR OTHERS WITH SIMILAR DREAMS? HER RESPONSE WAS, RUN YOUR OWN RACE AND STAY ON YOUR OWN PATH. DON'T COMPARE YOUR JOURNEY TO OTHERS. SO IT IS CERTAINLY AMAZING TO SEE KIANA STARTING HER JOURNEY HERE AT WAGNER HIGH SCHOOL, GO ON TO PLAY IN CALIFORNIA FOR STANFORD, AND THEN HER PATH LEADING HER BACK TO HER HOMETOWN TO WIN AN NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP. KIANA SAN ANTONIO IS SO PROUD TO HAVE YOU BACK WITH US TODAY TO CELEBRATE YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS. I'M SURE WE'LL BE HEARING A LOT MORE ABOUT YOU IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. SO, UH, WITH GREAT HONOR, I WANNA PRESENT THIS CITATION TO KIANA WILLIAMS IN HONOR OF YOU LEADING THE STANFORD CARDINAL TO WINNING THE 2021 NCAA WOMEN'S COLLEGE BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP. YOU CAPTURED THE TITLE IN YOUR HOMETOWN AND BECAME THE UNIVERSITY'S ALL TIME THREE POINT LEADER WITH A RECORD. 311, YOUR STANFORD CAREER OF 14 POINTS PER GAME. 3.1 ASSISTS PER GAME, 82 3 POINTERS 128 STRAIGHT STARTS AND NEVER MISSING A GAME WHILE ALSO MAJORING IN SCIENCE, GRADUATING EARLY. BY THE WAY, TECHNOLOGY AND SOCIETY IS A TRUE TESTAMENT OF YOUR STAUNCH COMMITMENT AND SHEER DETERMINATION, WHICH IS TRULY WORTHY OF COMMENDATION. NOW, THEREFORE, I RON NUREMBERG, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, PROUDLY CONGRATULATE KEANA WILLIAMS ON THIS OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT AND OFFER BEST WISHES FOR MANY MORE YEARS TO COME. CONGRATULATIONS, KIANA. UM, MIKE. OKAY. FIRST, I WANNA THANK YOU MAYOR FOR, FOR HAVING ME, UH, INVITING MY FAMILY DOWN HERE. UH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE, UH, RECOGNITION. UM, IT IS, IT'S JUST BEEN SO CRAZY THIS PAST WEEK, UH, ONE IN, UH, TWO SUNDAYS AGO. UM, AND I HAVE BEEN KNOWING THAT THE, THE FINAL FOUR WAS GONNA BE IN SAN ANTONIO, UM, I THINK AFTER MY FRESHMAN YEAR. UM, BUT THEN WITH THE PANDEMIC, THEY DECIDED TO HAVE THE ENTIRE TOURNAMENT HERE. AND, UM, I WAS JUST THANKFUL THAT MY, MY PARENTS COULDN'T COME SEE AS MANY GAMES AS THEY, UH, WANTED TO MY MY LAST YEAR. UM, AND I, I JUST TRY TO REPRESENT NOT ONLY MY FAMILY, BUT REPRESENT THE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WITH, WITH PRIDE. UM, I USED TO GET, UM, YOU KNOW, JOKED ON, UH, SAYING THAT I'M KIANA WILLIAMS FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. THAT WAS MY ENTIRE PHRASE. SO I'M VERY PROUD TO BE FROM SAN ANTONIO. AND, UH, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING ME AND MY FAMILY. THANK YOU, KIANA. AND, UH, DON'T GO ANYWHERE. WE'RE GONNA COME DOWN THERE AND TAKE JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES. BUT FIRST, UH, MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AS WELL. WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. WELL, THANK YOU, MAYOR. MAYOR, MAYOR KIANA. I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU THAT YOUR UNCLE CAME INTO THE OFFICE HORSE EVERY TIME YOU WAS PLAYING AND TO TALK TO JC. UM, AND JUST BRINGING ME UP TO BRINGING ME UP TO SPEED ON WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE, AND, AND THE JOY THAT YOU BRING TO YOUR FAMILY. UM, TO SEE YOUR GRANDMOTHER, UM, AND [00:15:01] HER HEART WHEN YOU WON. AND TO HEAR HER SPEAK ON THAT EASTER SUNDAY, WE SAID IT WAS NOBODY BUT GOD. AND WHEN YOU GAVE YOUR INTERVIEW AND YOU USED THOSE SAME EXACT WORDS, AND WE WERE LIKE, IT'S NOBODY BUT GOD. THE GIFT THAT GOD HAS BLESSED YOU WITH WILL TAKE YOU TO PLACES THAT NO MAN UNDERSTANDS JUST YET. AND YOU HAVE AN ANOINTING FOR DOING SOMETHING AND UPLIFTING OTHERS AND OTHER YOUNG WOMEN WHO WONDER WHERE THIS CAN GO. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING AN INSPIRATION TO ALL OF US, AND EVEN WE, AS A MAJORITY FEMALE CITY COUNCIL, WANTED TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT TO JUST YOU AND THE TEAM AND ALL THE WOMEN WHO MADE HISTORY HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. KEEP MAKING HISTORY, YOUNG LADY, KEEP LIVING IN YOUR GIFTS, KEEP GROWING, KEEP GLOWING, AND WE ARE ALL HERE TO SUPPORT YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REPRESENTING THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. SO WELL, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN, COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. CONGRATULATIONS, KIANA. AND I'M, I'M JUST SO PROUD TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT YOU'RE FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. SO KEEP DOING THAT. KEEP TELLING EVERYBODY THE STORY OF SAN ANTONIO. YOU ARE NOW A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THAT. UM, I'M REALLY PROUD THAT YOU'RE IN SCIENCE. SO WOMEN IN SCIENCE, UM, ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY NOT, UH, FOUND. AND SO YOU CONTINUE TO BE A ROLE MODEL EVEN IN YOUR CAREER, I'M SURE. AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT YOUR FUTURE. I'M HAPPY THAT YOU'RE HOME, AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? AND SO I'D HOPE THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO BUILD YOU UP AND MAYBE KEEP YOU HOME AND KEEP YOU, UH, ENCOURAGING OTHER GIRLS AND EMPOWERING THEM. AND THEN I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I LOVE YOUR SHOES. SO CONGRATULATIONS, . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHA GARCIA, COUNCIL MEMBER VILLA GRAND KIANA, CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE TEAM, UH, FOR A PHENOMENAL PERFORMANCE. UM, BEING THERE AT THE FINAL FOUR, BEING ABLE TO SEE YOU ALL WORK SO HARD AND ON TELEVISION AND YOUR GAMES. IT'S AMAZING WHAT KIND OF CAMARADERIE YOU ALL HAVE AND JUST LIFTING EACH OTHER UP OFF THE FLOOR AND WORKING HARD TOGETHER. SO CONGRATULATIONS VERY WELL EARNED AGAINST A TOUGH TEAM, AND YOU ALL JUST WERE INCREDIBLE. UM, AND I WILL ATTEST THAT COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN, WERE A CO WAS A COUPLE OF WAYS AWAY, BUT YOU COULD HEAR HER SCREAMING OUT YOUR NAME CONTINUOUSLY, VERY LOUD. AND IT WAS SUCH A JOY TO ALSO SEE YOUR FAMILY IN THE STANDS 'CAUSE EVERYBODY KNEW WHERE THE STANFORD FANS WERE SITTING. AND SO SEEING YOUR FAMILY IN THE STANDS, YELLING AND SCREAMING FOR YOU, THANK YOU, UH, FOR USING YOUR GIFTS AND TALENTS. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK AND ACKNOWLEDGING WHERE YOU COME FROM AND NEVER FORGETTING WHERE YOU ARE, ARE WE ARE SO VERY PROUD OF YOU. LIKE WAS MENTIONED, YOUR GIFTS AND YOUR TALENTS AND YOUR PLATFORM THAT YOU HAVE AND THAT YOU WERE GONNA CONTINUE TO USE. SO YOU ALWAYS ARE HOME HERE. SO WHEREVER THE W N B A TAKES YOU, YOUR HOME IS ALWAYS HERE. I HOPE YOU GET PICKED FIRST AND I HOPE YOU MAKE LOTS OF MONEY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER IRAN, COUNCIL MEMBER KEEO HDA. THANK YOU. I ADMIT I'M A LITTLE STARSTRUCK. I'VE BEEN WANTING TO MEET YOU, SO I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS TALKING TO YOU. BUT, UH, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE INSPIRATION THAT YOU SERVE, UM, FOR ALL YOUNG PEOPLE, FOR WOMEN, FOR ATHLETES, UM, REALLY FOR OUR CITY. I LOVE TO SAY THAT YOU'RE PROUD TO SAY, UH, TO HEAR THAT YOU'RE PROUD TO SAY YOU'RE FROM SAN ANTONIO. I THINK A LOT OF US ARE WHEREVER I GO, I'M ALSO MELISSA VEER HODER FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, RIGHT? . SO I LOVE THAT THAT'S PART OF YOUR TITLE. I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK. I APPRECIATE YOUR DEDICATION. ALSO THAT HARD WORK AND DEDICATION OF YOUR FAMILY WHEN YOU WERE LITTLE, GETTING YOU TO PRACTICES AND ALL THE HARD WORK, MAKING SURE YOU EAT BEFORE YOU GO TO PRACTICES. I KNOW THAT THAT'S VERY HARD WORK. SO THANK YOU. I GOD BLESS YOU, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL ACCOMPLISH ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF, YOUR FAMILY, AND OUR CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER KEO HDA, COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL, CONGRATULATIONS. LIKE EVERYBODY SAID, WE'RE EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY PROUD OF YOU AND WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS THIS MORNING. UH, LIKE ONE OF THE COUNCILWOMAN SAID, VERY IMPRESSIVE THAT YOU ALSO MAJORED IN SCIENCE AND EARLY AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE FINISH COLLEGE EARLY BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL TIME. BUT, UH, I CAN SEE WHY YOU HAVE A CAREER WAITING FOR YOU AND YOU, IT'S GREAT THAT YOU HAVE THIS BACKUP CAREER IN SCIENCE IN CASE THIS BASKETBALL THING DOESN'T WORK OUT. BUT I HAVE A FEELING IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT FOR YOU. AND ALSO REALLY PROUD THAT YOU SAY WHERE YOU'RE FROM. I ALSO, UH, LIVED OUTSIDE OF SAN ANTONIO FOR, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS OF MY LIFE. AND I DIDN'T LIKE TO JUST SAY I WAS FROM SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD CONFUSE IT WITH HOUSTON LATER, OR, OR DALLAS, BUT MOST OFTEN HOUSTON. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I'M FROM SAN ANTONIO, THE HOME OF THE ALAMO AND THE SPURS. AND NOW, SO NOW I MIGHT SAY IF I'M EVER OUT FROM SAN ANTONIO, THE HOME OF THE [00:20:01] ALAMO AND KIANA. SO THANK YOU, UH, FOR BEING HERE. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. UH, THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR. WELL, TRUE CONFESSIONS, I WAS NOT PAYING MUCH ATTENTION TO THE NCAA TOURNAMENT, BUT, UM, WE WERE, UH, OFFERED TICKETS. AND SO MY HUSBAND AND I NEEDED TO GO ON A DATE. SO WE WENT AND WHAT AN INCREDIBLE DISPLAY OF ATHLETICISM. AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT YOU AND YOUR HISTORY, BUT THERE WAS A WARMTH IN THE STADIUM FOR YOU, THE CROWD AND THE CHEERING. AND I THOUGHT, THIS GIRL MUST BE FROM SAN ANTONIO. AND SURE ENOUGH, WE HEARD, UM, COUNCILWOMAN IN THE STANDS CHEERING FOR YOU. AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE ENTHUSIASM THAT I JUST KNEW THAT THIS WOMAN MUST BE SPECIAL. THAT YOU COULD GET AN ENTIRE STADIUM OF PEOPLE WHO'VE NEVER KNOWN YOU TO CHANNEL THEIR ENERGY, UH, FOR YOU, AND YOU JUST GAVE IT RIGHT BACK. AND SO WHAT A THRILL IT WAS TO BE THERE THAT DAY TO SEE THE INCREDIBLE DISPLAY OF ATHLETICISM WITH ALL OF YOUR TEAM. UM, I WALKED OUT OF THERE THINKING, THIS IS THE BEST BASKETBALL GAME I HAVE EVER SEEN. UH, AND YOU WERE THE STAR OF IT AND THE CENTER OF IT. AND I'M SO GLAD TO SEE YOU IN PERSON. UH, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE A BEAUTIFUL PERSON INSIDE AND OUT. WHAT AN HONOR TO BE WITH YOUR FAMILY AND TO HAVE YOU ALL IN THE CHAMBERS AS WE CELEBRATE, UM, THIS INCREDIBLE WOMAN. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT YOU AND READING ABOUT YOU. DON'T FORGET ABOUT US, UH, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. WE WILL WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY TO COME BACK. SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING, UM, THIS CITY, UH, SO PROUD. UH, WE NEEDED, WE NEEDED A BIG VICTORY LIKE THAT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND THE TIMING WAS PERFECT, AND YOU'RE THE PERFECT PERSON FOR THAT ROLE. THANK YOU, KIANA. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. UH, CONGRATULATIONS, KEANA. I'LL COME DOWN THERE WITH A CITATION AND IF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD JOIN US, WE COULD TAKE A REAL QUICK PICTURE. REBECCA WANTS US ALL. GOOD LUCK. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, WATCH THE DRAFT TONIGHT. MAKE SURE WE GIVE, UH, GOOD KARMA OVER TO, UH, KIANA. MAKE SURE SHE ENDS UP IN THE RIGHT PLACE. OKAY. UM, I [Additional Item 2] DO HAVE ONE, UH, POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO CONGRATULATE ONE OF SAN ANTONIO'S BEST KNOWN AND AUTHORITATIVE VOICES ON A JOB WELL DONE TODAY. AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, IS LIZ RUIZ'S. LAST DAY ON THE JOB AT K T S A RADIO, SHE'S WRAPPING UP A 40 YEAR CAREER WITH THE RADIO STATION. DURING THAT TIME, SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN APPRECIATIVE OF HER INSIGHTFUL AND KNOWN NONSENSE REPORTING. THOUSANDS OF US HAVE GROWN TO ACCUSTOM TO HEARING LIZ DELIVER THE LATEST. SHE'S ALSO BEEN A WELCOME, APPRECIATIVE PRESENCE FOR 40 YEARS, COVERING EVERY SINGLE TYPE OF STORY IMAGINABLE, INCLUDING POPE JOHN PAUL'S HISTORIC TRIP TO SAN ANTONIO AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS AT EVERY LEVEL. LIZ IS A MEMBER OF THE SAN ANTONIO RADIO HALL RADIO HALL OF FAME, THE SAN ANTONIO WOMEN'S HALL OF [00:25:01] FAME, AND IS A RECIPIENT OF THE SAN ANTONIO ASSOCIATION OF HISPANIC JOURNALISTS, HENRY GTA LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD FOR EXCELLENCE IN JOURNALISM. WE'RE GONNA MISS HEARING YOU, LIZ, BUT ENJOY A WELL EARNED RETIREMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING A FAIR AND WARY WELCOME VOICE ON THE RADIO. CONGRATULATIONS, LIZ, TO A JOB WELL DONE. ALL RIGHT, UM, NOW WE'RE [CONSENT AGENDA (Part 1 of 2)] GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET INTO OUR AGENDA TODAY. UH, FIRST, UH, WE HAVE ONE ITEM LISTED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, UM, EXCUSE ME, TWO ITEMS LISTED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE, WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA ALONG WITH ZONING. UH, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, UH, OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA? ITEM 20, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 20 Z 13. Z 13. WHOSE WAS THAT? YES. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. I ALSO HAVE ITEM Z SEVEN, UH, FOR JADA. IS THAT YOURS? Z SEVEN. OKAY. ANY OTHERS? WE HAVE ITEMS 20 Z SEVEN AND Z 13, ALONG WITH FOUR AND FIVE. ALRIGHT, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION BY SANDOVAL, SECOND BY COURAGE. UM, WE DO HAVE A FEW ITEMS CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEMS REMAINING ON CONSENT. UH, LET ME START WITH, UH, JACK FINGER SPEAKING ON ITEM FIVE. UH, I'M SORRY, NOT ON ITEM FIVE, JACK. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING YOU UP FOR THAT ONE, BUT WE DO NEED YOU UP HERE FOR ITEMS Z ONE AND Z TWO. YES, MAYOR BERG. ARE WE GOING TO DO ZONING RIGHT NOW? DO YOU WISH ME TO? THAT ITEM IS REMAINING ON CONSENT, SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK ON IT NOW. OKAY, WELL, VERY GOOD. UH, MAYOR BERG, ANOTHER MEMBERS OF OUR ILLUSTRIOUS SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS JACK M FINGER. IT'S BEEN MANY MONTHS SINCE WE'VE, UH, I LAST MET IN PERSON. UH, DID YOU MISS ME, ? OH, SURE. YOU DID. YES. THE, UH, AND, UH, LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING. I ALSO WISH TO OFFER MY ACCOLADES TO K T S ARA RADIO'S NEWS COMMENTATOR LI LIZ RUIZ. SHE HAS BEEN DEFINITELY DONE REMARKABLE, REMARKABLE REPORTING IN ALL THE FOUR 40 YEARS. SHE, SHE'S BEEN THERE. SHE DESERVES EVERY ACCOLADE SHE HAS COMING ZONING CASES. A FEW CASES I WISH TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT, UH, YOU'RE GOING TO JUST, UH, PASS FASTER THAN SANTA SLEIGH HERE. UH, Z ONE, Z TWO AND Z UH, 15. ALL THREE OF THESE DEAL WITH PLACING SHOEHORNING, SHOEHORNING LITTLE UNITS INTO, BUT BIG UNITS INTO LITTLE SPACES. YES. AND Z ONE, IT, IT'S IN, UM, MR. TREVINO'S DISTRICT. YES. UH, LIKEWISE. Z TWO, MR. TREVINO AND MS. MS. SHIRLEY GONZALEZ. AND YOUR DISTRICT IS Z TWO AS WELL. YOU HAVE, UH, SIX UNITS, UH, IN AND ONE CASE OVER THERE AND, UH, AND ALSO IN Z 15. AND THAT IS, LET'S SEE IF I CAN JUST OPEN IT UP HERE. YES, IT'S IN ONCE AGAIN, MR. SHIRLEY GONZALEZ AREA. I, I, YES, THAT'S RIGHT. MANY 1515 UNITS IN, IN THE, IN THE AREA. OVER ON, YES. UH, ORIENTAL AVENUE. I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO ORIENT. IT'S JUST A LITTLE STREET. 15 UNITS IN ONE LITTLE LOT. DO YOU REALLY WANNA DO THIS? I MEAN, COME ON. UH, ANYWAY, I WOULD ASK Y'ALL TO, TO VOTE. NO, I PULL THESE ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND SAY NO TO THEM. THAT'S ONE Z ONE Z TWO, AND Z 15. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FINGER. UH, SPEAKING ON ITEM 20, WE HAVE JEFF WEISS. IS JEFF WEISS HERE? ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY. NOT. ITEM 20 P FOUR. ITEM P FOUR. JEFF WEISS. ALRIGHT. SAMANTHA ELAM. SAMANTHA ELAM. [00:30:01] JAMES MCKNIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU JAMES. ALRIGHT. UH, THAT'S EVERYONE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEMS REMAINING ON CONSENT. UM, LET ME, UH, NOW GO TO COUNCIL COMMENT. WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. I THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ITEM NUMBER 23, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE ADOPTION OF SELF-MONITORING STANDARDS FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATIONS DEPARTMENT, SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM, AND OTHER APPLICABLE RECREATION PROGRAMS TO COMPLY WITH TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES REGULATIONS. THIS IS UNDER, UH, DAVID MCCURY AND HALLMARK GARCIA. UH, IS HALLMARK HERE? CAN YOU COME UP PLEASE? UH, HALLMARK. CAN YOU, UH, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PARKS PROGRAMMING THAT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO THIS SUMMER? YES. SO, UM, THIS ITEM IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING IS SPECIFIC TO OUR SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM. BEYOND THAT, OF COURSE, WE'RE ON THE PATH TO REOPENING. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO OPENING POLLS AGAIN AS WELL. UM, SPECIFIC TO SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAMMING, UH, THAT PROVIDES A STRUCTURED ENVIRONMENT FOR CHILDREN TO BE WHEN THEY'RE OUTTA SCHOOL. ADDITIONALLY. AND, UM, FROM THE SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM AND POOLS OPENING, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, ROLLING OUT WITH OUR SUMMER FOOD PROGRAM AGAIN THIS YEAR. SO IT WILL BE THIS YEAR, 2021 FOR OUR SUMMER FOOD PROGRAM, THE LARGEST SERVICE DELIVERY MODEL, UH, SINCE WE'VE REALLY HAD THAT PROGRAM IN PLACE, WHICH HAS BEEN MORE THAN FIVE DECADES. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, HOMER. AND, UM, I, I ALSO, UH, WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS ITEM, UM, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A PARKS, UH, PROGRAM, UH, AND JUST TO THANK YOU HOMER AND YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE INCREDIBLE WORK, UM, THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS. UM, THE PARKS ARE ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT THIS CITY. AND I KNOW MAYOR HARDBERGER IS HERE. I THINK HE'S STILL HERE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY A FEW DAYS AGO TO, UM, SEE THE LANDBRIDGE, UM, AND I THINK THE FIRST, MAYBE ONLY OF ITS KIND IN THE COUNTRY. IS THAT TRUE? WASN'T IT THE LARGEST LANDBRIDGE ANYWHERE, MAYBE IN THE WORLD? UM, IS THAT CERTAINLY IN NORTH, YES, IN NORTH AMERICAN COUNTRY. UH, IT WAS, UM, UH, WELL, IT'S JUST, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK. UM, AND THERE WAS LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT ENJOYING IT. I WAS THERE ON A TUESDAY MORNING, UH, AND THE WEATHER WAS BEAUTIFUL, AND THERE WAS LOTS OF PEOPLE IN OUR PARKS. AND I THINK WE HAVE THE BEST PARK SYSTEM ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF YOU, HOMER, AND YOUR TEAM. AND I WANNA TAKE JUST A MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE INCREDIBLE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE TEAM THAT I'VE WORKED WITH, UM, OVER THE YEARS. UM, IS SALLY JENKINS HERE BY ANY CHANCE? UH, OR VERONICA MORENO? NO, THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD. UH, YES. SANDY'S OUT ON THE FIELD. VERONICA, SHE WAS DOWN HERE, I BELIEVE SHE WENT BACK UPSTAIRS. BUT THEY ARE LISTENING. UH, AND, UM, I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, LYNN KENTON, SARAH SHARP, BARBARA BURTON, I'M SORRY, BRENDA BURTON, VERONICA RODRIGUEZ, HANK SALINAS, UH, ALL HAVE WORKED FOR OUR UPCOMING SUMMER PROGRAMMING FROM CAMPS TO POOLS, UH, TO MEREDITH TILLY, AND SHE LEADS OUR TRAIL SYSTEMS. UH, VERONICA, OF COURSE, WHO HAS BEEN, UM, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST PEOPLE I EVER MET, UH, HERE, UH, IN THE CITY DEPARTMENT WAS VERONICA. IT WAS ABOUT ONE OF OUR PARKS OVER AT COLLINS GARDENS. UM, AND WHAT A DEDICATED TEAM YOU HAVE, UH, THERE. SANDY, OF COURSE, HELPED ME WITH BEN VITAS PARK. ONE OF THE VERY FIRST, UM, UH, PROJECTS, COMMUNITY PROJECTS I HAD, UH, WAS WITH COPS METRO AND THEIR, UM, GROUP OVER AT ST. TIMOTHY'S CHURCH. AND THEY WANTED TO DO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF BENA VITAS PARK. AND SINCE THEN, WE'VE INVESTED ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS IN BEDA FROM A SPLASH PAD TO A WALKING, UH, PAD TO TENNIS, UM, UH, SPORTS COURTS, UH, COVERS OVER THE COURTS. UH, WE COMPLETELY REDID THE BATHROOMS. UM, IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL REPRESENTATION OF AN URBAN PARK, AND IT WAS REALLY BECAUSE OF, UH, THE COMMUNITY INPUT, BUT ALSO THE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, WILLINGNESS TO INVEST IN, IN AN URBAN SPACE. UH, WE HAVE, OF COURSE, COMPLETELY TRANSFORMED ALMANOR PARK, UM, THAT I KNOW MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT, UH, OVER THE YEARS. THE SWIMMING POOL, I THINK HAS BEEN A GEM. UH, AND I HOPE THAT, UM, OTHER PARKS AND [00:35:01] OTHER POOLS, UM, CAN MODEL THEMSELVES, UH, AFTER WHAT WE'VE DONE AT ELDOR. BUT REALLY OUR TRAIL SYSTEM, UH, IS LIKE NOTHING WE HAVE ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY. AND A COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, ELA MENTIONED YESTERDAY ABOUT, UM, THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, OUR CREEKS AS TRANSPORTATION. OF COURSE, I'VE ALWAYS USED THEM FOR TRANSPORTATION. UM, BUT MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY HAS. AND SO WE KNOW THAT WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO AS WE INVEST IN OUR PARK SYSTEM. I THINK WE HAVE STILL $170 MILLION TO COMPLETE OUR PARK SYSTEM IS WHAT I, I HEARD THE OTHER DAY. UH, AND I KNOW THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PRESENTATION IN OUR TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, UH, ABOUT OUR TRAIL SYSTEM. UM, BUT IT REALLY HAS BEEN, UH, UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP, UM, OF COURSE, UH, THAT WE HAVE SEEN THESE INCREDIBLE TRANSFORMATIONS. AND I JUST REALLY WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU, HOMER AND YOUR TEAM, UH, FOR REALLY, I THINK IN, UH, BUILDING THE BEST PART OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, OUR PARK SYSTEM. AND, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, TO PERHAPS MORE INNOVATIVE PROGRAMMING, UM, MORE INVESTMENT IN OUR PARK SYSTEM. WE KNOW THAT OUR BOND, UM, CAN BE USED FOR INVESTMENT IN PARKS. AND I THINK HARBERGER IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE, UM, OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO ALL OVER THE CITY. AND I WAS MENTIONING IT TO, UM, THE MAYOR, UM, EARLIER, UH, THIS MORNING ABOUT HOW I HOPE THAT WE CAN DO BEAUTIFUL PROJECTS LIKE THAT ALL OVER THE CITY. UH, A LOT OF THAT WAS PRIVATE INVESTMENT. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PRIVATE INVESTMENT SPREAD, UH, EVERYWHERE. UH, BUT THANK YOU HOMER, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, UH, FOR MAKING, UM, MY TIME HERE ON THE COUNCIL. UH, SO MUCH FUN. UM, NO SECRET TO ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT I PROBABLY SPEND MORE TIME IN OUR PARKS, UM, NOT JUST IN ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL, BUT REALLY ANYBODY IN THE CITY, UH, BECAUSE OF MY SMALL CHILDREN. AND WE, UM, HAVE ENJOYED EVERYTHING FROM, UH, THE, UH, PARKS WAY OUT NORTH THAT ARE MORE FOR, UM, NATURE AND HIKING, UH, EISENHOWER, UH, AND THERE'S, AND FREDERICK PARK, UM, FROM, UH, AND OF COURSE OUR URBAN PARKS, UH, AND ALSO, UM, PEARSALL THAT HAS A BIG SPLASH PAD AND A HIGH TOWER. UH, AND, AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. UH, SO THANK YOU, UH, FOR, UM, FOR ALL YOU DO, HOMER FOR OUR CITY. UH, AND, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR FOR, UH, INDULGING ME AS I I GET TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE WORKED WITH, UH, OVER THESE LAST EIGHT YEARS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. GO AHEAD, HOMER. YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS. I KNOW, UH, THE TEAM, SOME OF THEM ARE LISTENING IN. I'LL MAKE SURE TO SHARE THE KIND WORDS AND PASS ALONG. I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO, UH, INHERIT A GREAT DEPARTMENT WITH A GREAT TEAM. UH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP AND SUPPORT OF OUR PARK SYSTEM AND CHALLENGING US TO DO MORE AND BE BETTER. UH, I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE THAT AND, UH, OUR COMPASS IS POINTING NORTH AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT. GREAT PROGRESS AND GREAT WORK. UH, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON COUNCIL AND, UM, HELPING KIND OF, IMA REIMAGINE PARKS. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, ELMENDORF LAKE PARK, UH, TOTAL COMPLETE, UM, JUST DIFFERENT PART FROM WHAT IT WAS FROM WHEN YOU FIRST CAME TO, UM, YOUR TIME ON, ON CITY COUNCIL. SO, UH, THAT IS ONE OF THE MY FAVORITE PARKS. AND YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE POOL, IT IS LIKE NO OTHER. UH, AND SO THAT WILL BE THE STANDARD THAT WE BRING FORWARD AS WE TRY TO ENVISION OTHER URBAN PARKS AND, AND THE WAY WE APPROACH IMPROVING THEM. SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU. AND I'LL BE SURE TO PASS, UH, ALL THE KIND WORDS ALONG TO THE TEAM. UH, BUT IT, IT TAKES A TEAM EFFORT AND A LOT OF THIS GOES TO THEM. THANK YOU, HOMER. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT ITEM 17 B. WE WILL BE APPOINTING BETO ANO TO THE PORT SA BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE'RE SO PROUD TO HAVE HIM, UH, JOIN PORT SA, BUT ANO IS A C E O AND CO-FOUNDER AT IRIS, A COMPANY BUILDING AI DRIVEN TOOLS THAT ENGAGE COMMUNITIES TO BRING REAL TIME VISIBILITY AND DATA ANALYTICS FOR URBAN STAKEHOLDERS. UH, MANY OF YOU ALL KNOW BETOS. HE, UH, HE'S GOT AN INTEREST IN PUBLIC POLICY AND HAS LED HIM TO WORK AT THE TEXAS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, UNITED STATES SENATE WHITE HOUSE, UH, U S C R, THE ALAMO AREA, UH, M P O. HIS FOCUS ON LATINO POLITICAL ENGAGEMENT WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE ASPEN INSTITUTE, LATINOS AND SOCIETY, WHERE HE SERVES AS A SCHOLAR. CO-AUTHORING REPORTS HIGHLIGHTING THE MILLENNIAL CIVIC POTENTIAL. BETO IS ALSO A RECIPIENT OF THE VOTE LATINO MACARTHUR FOUNDATION GRANT FOR HIS WORK IN HELPING CITY GOVERNMENTS BETTER ENGAGE COMMUNITIES. YOU MIGHT KNOW THE, THE, UH, THE 3 1 1 APP IS RUN UNDER THE CITY FLAG APPARATUS THAT HE HAS PROVIDED. UH, HE HOLDS A BACHELOR OF ARTS IN GOVERNMENT FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN. HE'S NOW GONNA ATTEND THE HARVARD KENNEDY SCHOOL. WE WISH HIM THE BEST. [00:40:01] UH, I'M PROUD TO BE APPOINTING HIM. AND AGAIN, UH, ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT HE WAS LISTED AS FORBES 30 UNDER 30 AS WELL. HE, HE CERTAINLY IS, FITS THE, THE, THE, THE MOLD FOR WHAT WE WANT, UH, TO BE REPRESENTING US AT PORTES SE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER BEEN ANYBODY, UH, LIKE BETO, UH, AT PORTES SE THAT REPRESENTS INNOVATION THE WAY HE DOES. SO WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD AND, UH, WELCOME ABOARD BETHEL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. THANK YOU, SIR. I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT FOR A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I AM GOING TO FOLLOW ALONG IN COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ'S FOOTSTEPS AND HIGHLIGHT, UH, ITEM, ACTUALLY NUMBER 11 ON OUR AGENDA TODAY, WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HENER CREEK TRAILHEAD AT THE CRYSTAL HILLS PARK IN DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, NEAR THE BORDER WITH DISTRICT SIX. IT'S ALSO A PARK THAT WE SHARE WITH LEON VALLEY, THANKS TO THE WORK OF A FORMER COUNCILWOMAN EL ELENA GUDO AND LEON VALLEY MAYOR CHRIS RILEY. I WAS JUST THERE A FEW DAYS AGO WITH HOMER, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL HERE, UH, CUTTING THE, CUTTING THE RIBBON FOR SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. BUT I WANNA THANK THE PARKS TEAM FOR THEIR WORK AND, UH, SHARE WITH YOU THAT THE WORK ON THIS TRAIL HEAD WILL INCLUDE SHADE, A DRINKING FOUNTAIN, AND ALSO A BIOSWALE IN PART FUNDED BY THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY. SO I WANNA THANK PARKS FOR ALWAYS CONSIDERING THOSE OPTIONS SINCE I'VE, UH, EVEN SINCE BEFORE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL IN TERMS OF, UH, SHADE. AND, UH, THE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT FEATURES, UH, WILL ALSO BE INCLUDING SOME FUNDING FROM THE TREE MITIGATION FUND TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE SHADE. I WANNA THANK OUR VOTERS, OUR TAXPAYERS, PUBLIC WORKS, AND OUR PARKS AND REC STAFF, AND THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY FOR ALL THEIR WORK ON THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVE TWO ITEMS TO HIGHLIGHT. THE FIRST IS, UM, ITEM NUMBER 13, AND THAT IS AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE ASSIGNMENT OF A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH SAN ANTONIO RIVERWALK ASSOCIATION TO VISIT SAN ANTONIO FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROMOTING THE RIVER WALK AND ALL OF SAN ANTONIO. THIS ASSIGNMENT IS, UH, VERY SPECIAL BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE BRINGING ALIGNMENT OF A PROMOTION OF WHAT WE DO WITH THE RIVER WALK AND ALSO WITH VISIT SAN ANTONIO. SO I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD, UM, ALIGNMENT AND THERE IS ALSO NO FISCAL IMPACT TO THE CITY, WHICH IS ALSO VERY GOOD. AND THEN, UH, SECONDLY, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ITEM 25, AND IT IS THE ORDINANCE AMENDING THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, A COMPONENT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S MASTER PLAN BY REALIGNING A PROPOSED SEGMENT OF KELLY PARKWAY, A SUPER ARTERIAL TYPE A, UM, AND THIS IS OFF OF 2 81 SOUTH SOUTH OF FOUR 10. THIS IS WHEN I TALK TO MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT THIS EAST WEST CORRIDOR. THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE AREA THAT NEEDS TO HAVE THAT ALLEVIATION OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND ALL OF THE GREAT, UM, GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENING WITH JOB CREATION LIKE NAVISTAR, WITH MITCHELL LAKE AUDUBON CENTER WITH T J X AND MISSION DE LAGO. THIS IS, AND TEXAS A M SAN ANTONIO AND TOYOTA. THIS IS GOING TO HELP ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC THAT GETS CONGESTED, UM, EAST AND WEST AND ALLOW ACCESS TO GO TO RUN, UM, EAST AND WEST AND NOT JUST NORTH AND SOUTH. BUT THIS IS JUST ONE STEP, UH, BECAUSE WE DO NEED SOME MORE MONEY FROM THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THIS. BUT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STEP AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO I THANK YOU FOR, UH, I HAVE TO THANK, UM, ZY AND ERIC AND EVERYONE WHO ALSO WAS A PART OF THIS BECAUSE, UM, YOU HEARD ME AND YOU HEARD THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE AREA, AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN. OKAY, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. WAS THAT, I'M SO SORRY, I COUNCILS MEMBER PEZ, GO AHEAD. YEAH, I ASKED TO BE, I'M SORRY FOR, UM, NOT GETTING ON THE ROSTER. I, I, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HIGHLIGHT ITEM Z 17. UH, ITEM Z 17 IS, UM, ESTABLISHES A, UM, OR MAKES, MAKES A WAY FOR A NEW PROTON THERAPY FACILITY. UH, WORDS LIKE SUPERCONDUCTING, CYCLOTRON AND BEAM TRANSPORT SYSTEMS [00:45:01] ARE NOT JUST THE WORDS. UH, THAT, UH, RON TRAVINO, UH, UH, UH, THAT, UH, ROBERT TREVINO AND I THROW AROUND. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STAR WARS AND STAR TREK, THESE ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING. THE PROTON THERAPY FACILITY IN SAN ANTONIO, UM, THAT IS, IS COMING TO THE MEDICAL CENTER, IS GOING TO CURE CANCER. UM, THESE ARE, UH, THIS IS A HUGE FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO, UH, USE PROTON OR PHOTON BEAMS, UH, TO TARGET TUMORS WITHOUT THE NEED FOR INVASIVE SURGERY. AND, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LUNG CANCER, BREAST CANCER, PROSTATE CANCER, BRAIN CANCER. UM, AND THIS IS GONNA BE A MAJOR FEATHER IN OUR CAP, UM, TO ENHANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, HEALTHCARE IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT ALSO CANCER RESEARCH BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A, A PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, UT HEALTH. UH, IT'S GONNA ATTRACT NEW FACULTY, NEW RESEARCH, UH, NEW GRANTS IN BIOSCIENCE. UH, ALL OF THAT IS ALSO GOING TO ATTRACT MEDICAL TOURISM BECAUSE, UM, TODAY'S PATIENTS AND FAMILIES HAVE TO STICK AROUND NEAR THE PROTON, UM, FACILITY, UH, FOR EIGHT TO 10 WEEKS FOR THERAPY. WE'RE ESTIMATING AROUND 500 PATIENTS PER YEAR. UM, AND THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OFFERED IN HOUSTON AND DALLAS, BUT HAS NEVER BEEN OFFERED IN SAN ANTONIO. WE'RE REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE THIS. UM, AND I DO THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ALSO TO SAY THAT THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, UM, NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN SAN ANTONIO MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE, I BELIEVE, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN CANCERS THAT ARE, UH, PREVALENT IN OUR POPULATIONS HERE. AND OUR HEALTH OUTCOMES, UH, DEPEND UPON ACCESSIBILITY TO TECHNOLOGY OR NEARBY AS OPPOSED TO VULNERABLE FOLKS HAVING TO TRAVEL FAR AWAY FOR LIFESAVING UH, LIFESAVING TREATMENTS. UM, AND THE REASON I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT TODAY IS BECAUSE ASIDE FROM IT BEING AN IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT IN DISTRICT EIGHT, THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG, BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR ALL OF US WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BRING HOME THESE KINDS OF TECHNOLOGIES TO SAN ANTONIO FOR A LONG TIME. THE OTHER THING I WANNA, I WANNA POINT OUT AND I'LL END HERE, IS, UM, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE KNOW CANCER IS REAL. UM, AND A LOT OF US ON THIS DAIS HAVE LOST FAMILY MEMBERS TO CANCER AND CONSTITUENTS TO CANCER. AND SO, UM, DOING REAL THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER ARE, ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WERE HIRED TO DO. AND I'M REALLY PROUD THAT THIS COUNCIL IS, IS GONNA VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WILL RESULT IN LIVE SAVED AND THAT WILL AFFECT REAL CHANGE. AND THAT REALLY IS AIMED AT, IN A VERY PHOTON, PROTON TARGETED WAY AT ERADICATING, UM, UH, A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM. SO THANK YOU TO MY COUNSEL FOR APPROVING THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PIAS. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION, UH, AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. THAT'S ALL ITEMS SAVED FOR 4 5 20 Z SEVEN AND Z 13. PLEASE VOTE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, WE [Additional Item 3] HAVE ONE ITEM, UH, EXCUSE ME, ONE, UH, POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. LEMME TURN THE BACK, THE FLOOR OVER TO COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY, BRIEFLY. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH, I KIND OF GOT OUTTA ORDER THERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S OKAY. IF YOU CAN SEE, ACTUALLY I'LL STAND UP. ALL RIGHT. I'M WEARING PURPLE TODAY. I'VE PURPLE UP. AND, AND THAT IS IN RECOGNITION OF THIS MONTH. IT'S A MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD. AND WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THOSE CHILDREN THAT ARE DEPLOYED ALL OVER THIS WORLD WITH THEIR FAMILIES. AND THEY GO THROUGH AS MANY CHALLENGES AS THE MILITARY MEMBER THEMSELVES ON CHANGING SCHOOLS, CHANGING CULTURES, A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT THEY GO THROUGH DURING THEIR, UM, FAMILY'S MILITARY CAREER. AND, UH, THAT'S WHY THEY'VE SET THIS MONTH UP AS THE MONTH OF THE MILITARY CHILD TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY HAVE OUR SUPPORT AS WELL BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT THERE ALONG WITH THEIR MILITARY MEMBERS, UH, THEIR FAMILY, THEIR MOMS OR DADS THAT ARE PROTECTING OUR FREEDOMS IN THIS COUNTRY. AND WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AND RECOGNIZE THEM AS WELL. SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY IS RECOGNIZE THEM ALL ACROSS THIS, UH, COUNTRY AND, AND THE WORLD. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT AND THANK COUNCILMAN PERRY, UM, FOR CONTINUING TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR VETERANS, CONTINUING TO ADVOCATE FOR MILITARY CITY U S A. UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE YOUTH AND OUR CHILDREN THAT ARE MILITARY, UH, SERVERS AS WELL. 'CAUSE PEOPLE DON'T, I THINK, UNDERSTAND THE TRUE DEDICATION THAT A CHILD HAS TO GIVE WHEN THAT PARENT IS AWAY ON DEPLOYMENT OR THEY HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY MOVE FROM STATE TO STATE OR COUNTRY TO COUNTRY WHEN THEIR FATHER OR THEIR MOTHER IS SERVING. SO [00:50:01] THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO. COUNCILMAN PERRY FOR US AS VETERANS, FOR US AS MILITARY CHILDREN OF VETERANS, AND JUST SPEAKING UP FOR THE MILITARY HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. OKAY, UM, LET'S GO ON NOW TO OUR, THE ITEMS LISTED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. LET'S START WITH ITEM FOUR, [4. 21-2918 Ordinance approving the Amended and Restated Ground Lease and Operating Agreement between the City and General Land Office that incorporates and facilitates the implementation of the revised Alamo Plan. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager]] AN OPERATING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND GENERAL LAND OFFICE THAT INCORPORATES AND FACILITATES THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE REVISED ALAMO PLAN. ALRIGHT, WELL, AS YOU KNOW, THE ITEM THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO DISCUSS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UH, IF NOT DECADES. THE ALAMO IS HALLOWED GROUND, THE CRADLE OF TEXAS. LIBERTY AND TEXANS AGREE IT SHOULD BE A WORLD-CLASS SITE THAT PAYS PROPER RESPECT TO THE FALLEN. IT TELLS THE STORY OF THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO, AS WELL AS THE FULL HISTORY OF THE MISSION AND REMAINS A PUBLIC SPACE FOR SAN ANTONIANS AND FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO COME FROM AROUND THE WORLD TO PAY THEIR RESPECTS, THIS PLAN ACCOMPLISHES THOSE GOALS AS PROPER REFERENCE FOR HISTORY DICTATES THIS PROCESS HAS NOT BEEN ENTERED INTO LIGHTLY. AS YOU ALL KNOW, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION'S DENIAL TO MOVE THE VICENTA HAS AN IMPACT ON THE OVERALL DESIGN OF OUR PROJECT. THIS CHANGE REQUIRES A REDESIGN AS IT IMPACTS THE ABILITY TO RECAPTURE THE HISTORIC MISSION PLAZA AND CHANGES WHAT THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PLAZA WILL LOOK LIKE. OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, THIS COUNCIL HAS HAD SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS REGARDING THE ALAMO PLAN AND WE DISCUSSED WHETHER OR NOT TO AMEND OR UNWIND THAT LEASE AGREEMENT. THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL SUPPORTED OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE G L O AND RECOGNIZED ITS BENEFITS PROVIDED THAT THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES REMAIN THE FOUNDATION OF THE PLAN. IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, YOU ALL EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS TO THE SITE, ALLOWING PARADES TO GO THROUGH THE SITE AND THE FUTURE OF THE CROCKETT AND THE WOOLWORTH BUILDINGS. THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD WITH THE PUBLIC FOR MANY YEARS. THAT IS WHY I ASKED THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE TO REVISIT THESE ISSUES WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PARTIES MUST AGREE TO ANY CHANGE IN THE STRATEGY. SO I'M VERY PLEASED THAT THERE IS AGREEMENT AMONG THE PARTIES. WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO A PATH FORWARD AND ARE CONFIDENT THAT TOGETHER WE, WE CAN IMPLEMENT A MODIFIED PLAN THAT BRINGS DIGNITY AND RESPECT TO THIS IMPORTANT SITE. I DO WANT TO THANK OUR COLLEAGUES, ALL OF THEM, ESPECIALLY CITY ATTORNEY ANDY SEGOVIA, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBER REBECCA VILLAGRANDE FOR THEIR WORK ON THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. I COMMEND THE WORK OF THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER REBECCA VRAN, OUR VERY OWN ANETTE PIERCE AND SUE ANN PEMBERTON FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP AS TRI CHAIRS. THEY HAVE MET NUMEROUS TIMES IN PUBLIC AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM THE A C A C MEMBERSHIP. LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR CONTINUED WORK OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AS THEY WILL REVIEW AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN. AND WE ALL KNOW WE COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT WITHOUT THE DEDICATED DETERMINATION OF OUR CITY STAFF. AND THAT IS, UH, IN PARTICULAR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, LORI HOUSTON. LORI, GREAT JOB. WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT TOOK TIME TO SEND LETTERS SUPPORTING THE CHANGES. AS WELL KNOW THAT THIS IS YOUR PLAZA AS IT HAS BEEN FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS, AND YOUR VOICE IS IMPORTANT. LOOK FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND MY COLLEAGUES. AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR COLLEAGUE, COUNCIL MEMBER, REBECCA VIRON. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, JUST BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE PRESENTATION, I TOO WANTED TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES, UH, FOR ALL OF THEIR INPUT. THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR OUR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK AT B SESSION AND SOME GREAT INSIGHTS THAT YOU GAVE US AND THAT YOU WILL SEE HOPEFULLY IMPLEMENTED IN THIS, UM, UPDATED LEASE AGREEMENT. AND, UM, I ALSO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PESTER YOU WITH MY, UM, EMAILS AND MAKING SURE IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS THAT I CAN BE THERE TO, UM, ANSWER THEM OR DIRECT YOU TO WHERE, UM, OR WHO COULD TALK TO YOU ABOUT THEM. AND I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE THIS COMMUNICATION WITH, WITH EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOUR INPUT IS VERY IMPORTANT ON THIS. UM, I'M, I AM APPRECIATE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO STAY ENGAGED IN THIS. AND IT WAS REALLY ALL OF YOU TAKING THE TIME TO READ THROUGH IT. WE WERE ABLE TO GET, UM, ALL OF THE BACKUP MATERIAL OUT TO YOU. UM, THANK YOU TO KEVIN BARTOLD FOR GETTING OUT THE EMAILS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR ANDY SENDING OUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND ALL OF THE BACKUP [00:55:01] MATERIALS AND EVEN THE RED LINE OF LEASE AGREEMENT COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL A LITTLE LATE, BUT WE GOT IT OUT STILL AND WITH ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOUR INPUT AND YOUR INSIGHT ON THIS MAKES US A BETTER TEAM AND MAKES THIS A BETTER LEASE AGREEMENT FOR US. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. UM, THIS IS GOING TO GIVE YOU A STATUS OF WHERE WE ARE AND I AM HAPPY, I KNOW THAT ANDY, I HOPE YOU CAN GET SOME REST SOMETIME SOON BECAUSE HE HAS WORK BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY, AS HAS LORI HOUSTON, UM, WORKING CONTINUOUSLY. AND I WANNA THANK HER. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK, UM, ANETTE PIERCE, SUE ANN PEMBERTON FOR THEIR WORK AS TRI CHAIRS AND REALLY BEING COMPLETELY ENGAGED IN THIS AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHO BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION BEFORE THE PRESENTATION THAT, UM, THE WEEKLY CONSTRUCTION UPDATE MEETINGS CONTINUE WITH ALL OF THE BUSINESSES. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE OVER 62 BUSINESSES THAT ARE PART OF THE PROCESS AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE INCLUDING THEM OR INVITING THEM TO BE A PART OF THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEMS. SO I THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN A TRANSPARENT PROCESS. WE'RE CONTINUING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND WHAT HAPPENS HERE TODAY ALLOWS US AND TRIGGERS US TO MOVE FORWARD TO REALLY SEEING SOMETHING, UM, HIGHLIGHTED. SO, UM, WITH THAT I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO ERIC AND I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR FURTHER CONVERSATION TODAY. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ACTUALLY, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCILWOMAN. I THINK YOU SET IT UP NICELY. SO, UH, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WHY DON'T WE GO TO THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU ALL. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'LL BE PRESENTING TO THE FULL MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL DURING AN A SESSION. SO AS THEY SAY, THIRD TIME'S A CHARM. AND BEFORE WE START, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE A COUPLE MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE WITH US TODAY. WE HAVE HECTOR VIA WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE, AND I ALSO HAVE KATE ROGERS, WHO IS THE NEWLY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE ALAMO TRUST. THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, GO AHEAD AND QUEUE THE PRESENTATION. SO I'VE USED, YOU ALL HEARD, UM, IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020, WE HAD THE DENIAL, THE PERMIT BY THE T H C. THAT PERMIT REQUEST WAS TO RELOCATE THE SENATE. HALF THAT PERMIT WAS DENIED AND THAT REALLY FORCED US TO TAKE A STEP BACK TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW WE WANTED TO PROCEED WITH THIS PROJECT. AND SO THE CITY, THE G L O AND THE ALMA TRUSTS MET AND WE ALL DECIDED WE ARE COMMITTED TO THIS PLAN, WE'RE COMMITTED TO THIS PROCESS. AND THE MAYOR HAS MET WITH SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF HAS MET WITH SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND WHAT WE HEARD WAS, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THE ALAMO PLAN, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME CHANGES AND WE HAVE SOME REQUESTS. ONE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMMITMENT TO THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. TWO, WE MUST REPURPOSE THE HISTORIC WOOLWORTH AND CROCKETT BUILDING. THREE, THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE STREET CLOSURES AND THE PHASING IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND FOUR, KEEPING ACCESS TO THE PLAZA. SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR THINGS THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL. AND FRANKLY, THOSE ARE THE FOUR ITEMS THAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS FROM THE PUBLIC. THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT THE PUBLIC HAS SAID. WE WANT THESE ADDRESSED. NOW WE DO HAVE A STRUCTURE TO PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OF THE ALAMO PLAN. IT STARTS WITH THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, WHICH INCLUDES MAYOR RON NUREMBERG AND COMMISSIONER GEORGE P. BUSH. THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE PROVIDES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND THAT MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE INCLUDES TWO MEMBERS OF EACH ENTITY. WE HAVE REBECCA GRO, COUNCIL MEMBER REBECCA GRO, AND CITY ATTORNEY ANDY SEGOVIA, REPRESENTING THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WE HAVE THE ALAMO TRUST REPRESENTED BY WELCOME WILSON AND HOPE ANDRADE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE REPRESENTED BY HECTOR VA AND JEFF GORDON. AND THEN WE HAVE THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THEIR ROLE IS TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY TO ENSURE THAT THE PLAN IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. AND THERE ARE 26 MEMBERS ON THAT COMMITTEE. PLUS FOUR TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. NOW THIS IS THE LIST OF THOSE MEMBERS ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. OUR TRI CHAIRS INCLUDE COUNCIL MEMBER, REBECCA VRAN, ANETTE PIERCE, AND SUE AND PEMBERTON. AND THEN WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SEVERAL CATEGORIES, INCLUDING HISTORY AND ARCHEOLOGY. [01:00:01] THE 1994 ALAMO PLAZA PLAN, AS WELL AS THE STATE OF TEXAS HAD APPOINTED SIX MEMBERS OF THEIR COMMITTEE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND PRIVATE PROPERTY REPRESENTATIVES. EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT A MEMBER. AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND MEMBERS TO INCLUDE THE FIESTA COMMISSION, THE TOURISM COUNCIL, CENTRO, AND VISIT SAN ANTONIO. NOW WE HAVE BEEN VERY BUSY SINCE THE MAYOR SENT A LETTER TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OUTLINING HIS EXPECTATIONS AND WHAT HE HEARD FROM THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WHEN REVISITING THIS PLAN, WE IMMEDIATELY BROUGHT THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE TOGETHER. WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING ON MARCH 8TH WHERE MAYOR RON BERG ADDRESSED THE COMMITTEE. THIS MEETING WAS UM, PUBLICIZED. IT WAS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING AND THE MAYOR OUTLINED THE CHARGE. THIS IS WHAT THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT. THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. AND THEY DISCUSSED THE EXPECTATION. MARCH 15TH THROUGH THE 19TH, THE TRI CHAIRS COUNCIL MEMBER, REBECCA VILLAGRA, ANETTE PIERCE, AND SUE ANN PEMBERTON HELD THREE LISTENING SESSIONS WITH ALL OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THEY LISTENED TO THEIR CONCERNS, LISTENED TO THE FEEDBACK ON PREVIOUS EFFORTS, AND THEY TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND THAT HELPED FORMULATE OUR MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD. OUR FIRST WORKSHOP WAS MARCH 24TH WITH THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THAT'S WHERE THE DESIGN TEAM PRESENTED THE CONCEPTS AND GOT THEIR FEEDBACK. SO THEY LOOKED AT WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T MOVE THE SAF AND YOU REPAIR IT? WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PLAZA IS OPEN AND HOW CAN THAT BE DESIGNED? THEY BROKE OUT INTO SMALL GROUPS AND THEY PROVIDED FEEDBACK AND THAT FEEDBACK WAS PROVIDED TO THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING ON MARCH 29TH. THAT MEETING WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE COMMENT. AND WE DID A PRESENTATION ON THE REFINED CONCEPTS THAT WERE PRESENTED AT THE MEETING ON MARCH 24TH. AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THOSE CONCEPTS. AND THEN FINALLY ON MARCH 31ST, WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING FOR THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHERE WE PRESENTED THE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS. THE MEETING WAS, UM, VIEWED, UM, ON OUR FACEBOOK LIVE PAGE. AND THEN WE ALSO HAD RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL AND ALL RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE CONCEPTS THAT WE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL WITH THE B SESSION. AND WHAT I'LL BE PRESENTING TODAY, WERE APPROVED BY THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND AS I STRESSED, THESE AREN'T NEW ISSUES. THE PUBLIC HAS ALWAYS SAID THEY WANT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE STREET, THEY WANT MORE PLAZA ACCESS. THERE IS A NEED FOR THE PARADES TO CONTINUE. AND SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS THESE WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM, WHICH INCLUDES REED HILDEBRAND AND P G A V. AND THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE HAS MET SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC. NOW MOVING FORWARD, IF A COUNCIL APPROVES THE AMENDED AND RESTATED LEASE AGREEMENT TODAY, WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT AND THE DESIGN TEAM WILL START DESIGNING THE PLAZA. WE NEED TO GET THE PLAZA UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE DON'T WANNA WASTE ANY MORE TIME. WE HAVE 2017 BOND DOLLARS THAT WE WANNA SPEND. AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT WE HAVE A VERY GOOD PLAN THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND HOPEFULLY CITY COUNCIL. NOW, ONCE IT'S APPROVED, WE'LL BEGIN OUR WORK WITH THAT DESIGN AND THAT DESIGN WILL OCCUR BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER. BUT DURING THAT TIME, WE ARE GONNA BE ENGAGING THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN AND UNDERSTAND STORIES ARE GONNA BE TOLD ON THE PLAZA. AND WE'LL BE DOING THAT OVER THREE MONTHS. AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE THOSE MEETINGS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UM, WE ARE HOPING TO FILM THOSE MEETINGS, HAVE PANEL DISCUSSIONS ON EACH TOPIC SO THE PUBLIC, WE CAN ACTUALLY RERUN THOSE, THOSE MEETINGS. SO IT CAN BE AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE WORKING WITH, UM, OUR INDIGENOUS GROUPS AND OUR OWN ARCHEOLOGICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO DO AN ARCHIVAL INVESTIGATION ON THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY. SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING ALL THE GUIDELINES AND WE ARE HONORING THE TOP ALUM AND THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE CANARY ISLANDERS ASSOCIATION IN THIS PROCESS. THEY WILL ALSO PRESENT TO THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE DURING THIS TIME. AND THEN THE LAST TASK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON IS THE DESIGN. AND SO P G A V AND REED HILDEBRAND WILL RETURN IN THE FALL WITH A DESIGN TO BE REVIEWED BY THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO THEY CAN PRESENT THAT TO THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND ULTIMATELY THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND H G R C ALSO HAS TO REVIEW [01:05:01] AND APPROVE THIS DESIGN. SO THE WORK IS NOT DONE. TODAY'S EFFORT IS STEP ONE. AND WE HAVE OUR ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS BOOKED EVERY TUESDAY, ALMOST THROUGH DECEMBER. NOW I BRIEFLY MENTIONED THE ARCHEOLOGY, UM, EFFORT THAT WE ARE GONNA BE WORKING ON. SO AS THE CO-CHAIRS WE'RE MEETING WITH THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS WAS WHY DO WE NOT INCLUDE OUR LOCAL INDIGENOUS GROUPS IN THIS EFFORT? AND THE CHARGE GIVEN TO ME BY COUNCIL MEMBER REBECCA GRO AND THE OTHER CHAIR CHAIRS WAS TO WORK THIS OUT. SO WE HAVE MET WITH RAMON VASQUEZ, WE HAVE MET WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND WE WILL BE DOING AN ARCHIVAL INVESTIGATION. THAT ARCHIVAL INVESTIGATION WILL FOCUS ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA DEVELOP A COMMITTEE THAT INCLUDES MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF, BUT ALSO THREE MEMBERS OF THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THOSE ARE RAMON VASQUEZ, CARRIE LATIMORE, AND SHARON SIK. THOSE THREE MEMBERS WERE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR TO REPRESENT HISTORY AND ARCHEOLOGY, AND THEY'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE SCOPE OF THIS ARCHIVAL INVESTIGATION AND PARTICIPATED THROUGHOUT. WE ALSO ARE GONNA CREATE OUR OWN ARCHEOLOGY ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WILL INCLUDE 16 LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS. THESE ARE THE SAME ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE CHRISTUS SANTA ROSA EFFORT AS WELL AS THE MILAN PARK EFFORT. AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM. AND WE'LL ALSO ADD THE SIX FEDERAL TRIBE MEMBERS THAT ARE ENGAGED FROM THE G L O. THEY WILL HELP US DEVELOP A PLAN OF ACTION, AND THEY'LL PROVIDE US GUIDANCE IN THE EVENT OF A DISCOVERY. SO WE FEEL THAT THIS PLAN THAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO YOU TODAY MEETS THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ADDRESSES ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FOR THE PUBLIC FOR THE PAST COUPLE YEARS AND ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS YOU'VE RAISED IN OUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO ASK ERIC KRAMER WITH REED HILDEBRAND AND JOHN CASMAN WITH P G A V TO DO A PRESENTATION. THEY'RE JOINING US REMOTELY, AND SO I'M GOING TO BE SITTING DOWN AND FLIPPING THE SLIDES FOR THEM, AND THEN I'LL COME BACK UP AND COMPLETE THE ITEM. SO I BELIEVE IT'S JOHN KAMAN WHO'S COMING UP NEXT. YES, THANK YOU, LORI. IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN HEAR ME, SO I'M GLAD TECHNOLOGY IS, UH, IS SERVING US WELL, UH, THANK YOU ALSO, MAYOR. THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PRESENT THIS WORK TO YOU AGAIN TODAY. UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE IN PERSON WITH YOU, UH, SOMETIME SOON. SO, WITH THAT, UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, A BIT OF INTRODUCTION. WE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE, UH, IN PRESENTATION OF THE ALAMO PLAN AND THE INTERN BACK, UH, BOTH P G A V AND RITA HILDEBRAND STAR BACK IN 2017 WITH THIS EFFORT. BUT AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME'S JOHN'S CAMAN. I'M WITH P G A V, AND ERIC KRAMER IS JOINING ME FROM REED HILDEBRAND, UH, TO REPRESENT THE DESIGN TEAM TODAY. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, IF YOU COULD SHARE THE PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN, UH, IT'LL SERVE US WELL HERE, OVER HERE. AND, AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, WE WILL GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTRO AND WANTED TO REMIND ALL OF YOU THAT, UH, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT THE DESIGN TEAM WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVERED AS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE WANTED TO RETAIN AND SOME BASIS, UH, AS WELL AS THE NEW PARAMETERS AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO CONSIDER HOW THOSE NEW PARAMETERS AFFECTED OUR DESIGN THINKING AND OUR DESIGN STRATEGIES. SO, THE FIRST FEW SLIDES HERE, UH, A MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES WERE STILL ON THE BASIS OF OUR WORK AND VERY IMPORTANT TO US. AND SO THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WE REFERRED BACK TO THOSE TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WERE STILL BEING UPHELD IN ALL OF OUR DESIGN STRATEGIES. LIKEWISE, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT OUR GOAL WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RETAINED THOSE FIVE KEY ELEMENTS FROM THE MASTER PLAN. SO RESTORING THE CHURCH AND LONG BARRACKS, THE DELINEATION OF THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT, RECAPTURING THAT HISTORIC MISSION PLAZA, AND THAT SENSE OF REVERENCE AND RESPECT THAT WE ARE AFTER, AS WELL AS CREATING A WORLD-CLASS MUSEUM VISITOR CENTER, UH, THAT INCLUDED A SENSE OF ARRIVAL, RIGHT? NOT ONLY A CON, UH, A SENSE OF ARRIVAL TO THIS ALAMO PLAZA AND ZONE, BUT ALSO THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THAT AND THAT THE OTHER IMPORTANT AREAS AROUND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE OTHER PUBLIC SPACES. SO WITH THAT, THERE'S A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE STUDIED, RIGHT, AND LORI HAS REVIEWED THIS ALREADY. WE ARE RETAINING THE CTA AND ITS LOCATION. WE WANTED TO STUDY NEW PARAMETER OF NOT LOWERING THE GRADE TO THE LIVING SURFACE. WE ALSO WANTED TO STUDY THE NEW PARAMETER OF PRESERVING THAT PLAZA AXIS, AXIS AND THE OPEN POROSITY OF THAT PLAZA. UH, AND FOURTH, THE, WE WANTED TO STUDY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE DESIGN STRATEGIES IF WE WERE TO RETAIN, [01:10:01] UH, THE PARADE AND PHASE THE STREET CLOSURES. SO AS WE STUDIED THOSE NEW PARAMETERS, WE LOOKED AT, UH, AT THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD IMPACT OUR DESIGN STRATEGY. SO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH TODAY ARE THESE FIVE PROPOSALS, AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT 'EM, NOT ONE BY ONE IN THESE SERIES OF FIVE, BUT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT 'EM THROUGH THE WAY OUR DESIGN STRATEGIES FLOWED. SO FIRST, THE THINGS THAT OUR PROPOSED IS THE CTA WILL BE REPAIRED BUT NOT MOVED. THE MISSION FOOTPRINT WILL BE DELINEATED BY PAVING MATERIAL CHANGES RATHER THAN THE LOWERING OF THE FOOTPRINT. THE PLAZA WILL REMAIN ACCESSIBLE TO PEDESTRIANS WITHOUT RAILINGS, AND THE PARADES AND KEY RITUALS AND TRADITIONS WILL BE ACCOMMODATED. AND THEN FINALLY, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME WAYS WHERE THE STREETS WILL BE CLOSED AS PLANNED WITH CERTAIN ALLOWANCES FOR SERVICE, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, PUBLIC TRANSIT, UH, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT MEANS WHEN THE ALAMO STREET BETWEEN HOUSTON AND CROCKETT WILL BE CLOSED STARTING JUNE 1ST. UH, SO THAT PROGRAMMING, UH, CAN OCCUR ON THAT SPACE, BUT ALSO TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC MODELING CAN BE, UM, CAN BE DONE. SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ARE GONNA GO THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT CHAPTERS TO STUDY THOSE, RIGHT? FIRST, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT A SPATIAL DEFINITION, SPATIAL STRATEGIES AND PSYCH DESIGN. AND ERIC'S GONNA TAKE US THROUGH THAT. BUT AFTER THAT, WE'RE ALSO GONNA LOOK AT IT NOT ONLY SPATIALLY, BUT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL THOSE PARAMETERS FROM A VISITOR EXPERIENCE STANDPOINT, AND THEN WE'LL PAUSE AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT FROM AN INTERPRETIVE CONTENT STANDPOINT AND MAKE SURE WE CAN LOOK AT ALL THESE NEW PROPOSED PARAMETER CHANGES AND HOW IT AFFECTS OUR DESIGN THINKING IN THOSE THREE CATEGORIES. SO WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT, UH, OVER TO ERIC KRAMER, UH, TO TAKE US THROUGH SOME SPATIAL DEFINITION. THOUGHTS. THANKS, JOHN. I JUST, I WANNA SAY MAYBE TO DEFINE SPATIAL DEFINITION, IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW WE USE DESIGN TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT JOHN OUTLINED. BUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY IS NOT DESIGN. THERE IS A LOT OF DESIGN LEFT TO DO. INSTEAD, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS TESTING THE IMPACTS OF THESE CHANGED PARAMETERS ON THE PLAN THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND WHAT DESIGN HERE IS ABOUT IS RECONCILING THE MANY LAYERS OF HISTORY, THE TRADITIONS THAT HAVE EVOLVED HERE WITH THE SENSE OF COHERENCE AND REVERENCE THAT WE ALL DESIRE. IT'S ABOUT MAKING VISIBLE WHAT HAS BEEN OBSCURED OVER TIME. AND THE TOOLS THERE ARE ABOUT MATERIALS, THEY'RE ABOUT LIGHT AND SHADE. THEY'RE ABOUT THE SENSE OF ARRIVAL, AS JOHN SAID. AND IN EFFECT, IT'S ABOUT HOW WE CREATE A FRAME FOR UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED HERE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT YOU SEE HERE, YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. THERE ARE LAYERS AND LAYERS OF, UH, THE 20TH AND 20, EVEN 21ST CENTURY. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WHAT WE SEE IS IF WE BEGIN TO SIMPLIFY, IF WE BEGIN TO PULL AWAY THE LAYERS OF PLANTERS AND RETAINING WALLS AND CURBS THAT HAVE BECOME REALLY QUITE FUNCTIONAL ELEMENTS, WE BEGIN TO TRANSFORM HOW WE UNDERSTAND THE SPACE. IT HAS IMPROVEMENTS IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY AND FUNCTION AND FLEXIBILITY. BUT AS YOU SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO START TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE GROUND AND TO REACH ONE OF THE KEY GOALS OF THE PLAN, WHICH IS TO DELINEATE THE FOOTPRINT, TO CREATE A KIND OF QUIET, A MOMENT OF PAUSE IN WHICH YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CONTEMPORARY CITY TO SEE THE HISTORY. IF WE LOOK AT THE NEXT DRAWING, WE ALSO THINK THE USE OF THIS GROUND PLANE HAS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, WHICH IS TO DEFINE A DISTRICT. IMAGINE IF WE START TO USE AN IDENTIFIABLE PAVING MATERIAL THAT REACHES ALL THE WAY SOUTH TO COMMERCE AND EAST AND WEST TO BONHAM AND TO LA SOYA, SO THAT AS YOU ARRIVE, NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU REALIZE YOU'VE ARRIVED AT A DISTRICT WHICH IS UNIQUE AND DEFINITIVE. IN THE, IN, IN SAN ANTONIO, IT IS THE ALAMO DISTRICT. WE ALSO THINK THAT THIS HAS A STORY TO TELL IN AND OF ITSELF, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE PATTERNS OF THE ASAKIA AND THE AGRICULTURAL FIELDS THAT EVOLVED AROUND THAT. AND THAT PATTERN CAN, CAN BE DRAWN ON THE GROUND NEXT, SO THAT WE ACTUALLY SEE ON, UH, NEXT SLIDE. THERE, THERE YOU GO. ON THE GROUND, THAT THERE ARE THESE PATTERNS OF LAYERS OF HISTORY. SO IT'S NOT JUST ACTUALLY THE MISSION FOOTPRINT ITSELF, BUT THE WHOLE DISTRICT CAN START TO TELL THE STORIES, NOT JUST OF THE BATTLE, BUT OF THE TIMES BEFORE AND THE TIMES AFTER NEXT. WE THEN SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN TO BREAK DOWN, PARTICULARLY THE SCALE OF THE PLAZA SOUTH OF THE SOUTH GATE HERE, AREAS FOR SEATING AND GATHERING, WHICH CAN BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORING, UH, BUSINESSES WITH OUTDOOR DINING OR GATHERING SPACE, AND STARTING TO SCALE THE PLAZA SO THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY COMFORT AND, AND COOLING AND SHADE, AND USING THOSE SPACES TO BOTH HAVE OPEN SPACES FOR GATHERING AND MORE INTIMATE SPACES. [01:15:01] NEXT, THAT THEN ALLOWS US TO DO THE OTHER REALLY IMPORTANT MOVE, WHICH IS TO RECAPTURE THE READING OF THIS HISTORIC SITE AND THE MISSION ITSELF BY CREATING A FRAME, A LITERAL MOMENT OF TRANSITION BETWEEN THE LARGER ALAMO DISTRICT AND THE CORE OF THE HISTORIC SITE. WE THINK THIS CAN BE A PAVING ON THE GROUND, A TRANSITION BETWEEN TWO MATERIALS, WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO LOWER THE GRADE AS WE HAD LOOKED AT IN EARLIER VERSIONS OF THE PLAN. THIS OBVIOUSLY HAS BENEFITS FOR ACCESSIBILITY. IT ENABLES US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE PARADES MOVE THROUGH THE SITE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY AND FUNCTIONALITY. WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE DAMPNESS AS IT, UM, IS IMPACTING THE CHURCH AND THE LONG BARRACK. AND SO WE, WE WILL WORK WITH THE G L O THAT IS UNDERTAKING A ONE YEAR MONITORING PROJECT. IF GRADE NEEDS TO BE REDUCED AROUND THE TWO HISTORIC BUILDINGS, WE THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND RETAIN THE GRADE AS LEVEL IN THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE. NEXT. THIS REALLY, THIS FOCUS ON THIS DISTRICT AND THIS AREA, AND THE FOCUS ON THE GROUND PLANE ALLOWS US TO USE VERY SMALL CHANGES TO HIGHLIGHT THE INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS. SO WHETHER IT'S RECONSTRUCTIONS OF BATTLE MOMENTS, MARKING ON THE GROUND OF THE ARCHEOLOGICAL FINES, THAT THE RESEARCH WILL TELL US POTENTIAL BURIALS OR EVEN TO MARK THE DELINEATION OF THE 20TH CENTURY LAYERS OF HISTORY LIKE THE WOOLWORTH AND THE CROCKETT BUILDING, AND THE CAF ITSELF. THIS FOCUS ON UNDERSTANDING THE GROUND PLANE ALLOWS US TO MAKE THOSE THINGS VISIBLE, AND THIS THRESHOLD ALLOWS US TO CREATE THE SENSE OF ARRIVAL. NEXT, WE ALSO THINK THAT THE CANOPY OF TREES IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO SPATIAL, UH, CONNECTIVITY ACTIVITY USING STREET TREES ALONG THE, UH, WAYS OF ARRIVING WILL CREATE A SENSE OF THRESHOLD AND A, A SENSE OF ARRIVAL LIKE A PROMENADE AS YOU'RE ARRIVING ON THE SITE. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THAT AROUND THE CORE AREA, THOSE GREAT CANOPY OF LIVE OAKS THAT EXIST IN THE GARDEN AND ON THE PLAZA CAN BE ENHANCED TO CREATE, AGAIN, ANOTHER LAYER OF THRESHOLD AND ARRIVAL SHADE, AND THE SENSE OF THIS OPEN SPACE THAT IS THE CORE AND THE FRAME, AND THE SPATIAL DEFINITION OF THE MISSION AND THE BATTLEFIELD ITSELF. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THAT WE RECOGNIZE THERE NEEDS TO BE CANOPY WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THIS WILL BE. SOME OF THE ARCHEOLOGICAL RESEARCH WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND FOR COMFORT, FOR SHADE, FOR COOLING, FOR FAMILIES AND VISITORS, TO SPEND TIME HERE TO EXPERIENCE THE LIVING HISTORY, ENGAGE WITH ALL OF THE LAYERS OF HISTORY, SOME AMOUNT OF CANOPY WILL BE REQUIRED, AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE TEAM TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DESIGN THAT NEXT. SO WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE FROM A KIND OF PHYSICAL POINT OF VIEW? WE'VE JUST STARTED TO SKETCH WHAT WE THINK IT MIGHT BE LIKE HERE. YOU SEE THE PLAZA ON THE LEFT, POTENTIALLY USING A KIND OF BEAUTIFUL CLAY BRICK TO REALLY DELINEATE A UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THE SPACE, THOSE LIVE OAKS, TO CREATE THE THRESHOLD, THE, THE DRAWING OF THE, ON THE GROUND OF A KIND OF A WIDER EDGE THRESHOLD THAT LEADS YOU INTO THIS DIFFERENT SPACE OF THE MISSION AND THE BATTLEFIELD HERE. MAYBE A NATIVE MATERIAL LIKE A LIMESTONE, UH, VERY DIFFERENT IN CHARACTER THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. AND THAT SIMPLIFICATION ALLOWS US TO START TO REALIZE AND, AND, AND REALLY INDICATE ON THE GROUND THE EXTENT OF THE MISSION FOOTPRINT, THE USE OF NATIVE PLANTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT MAKES THIS NOT JUST A WORLD CLASS MUSEUM, BUT A WORLD CLASS EXPERIENCE. NEXT, WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE, THE MATERIALS, AND THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE CONSIDERING, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE HERE HOW THESE TAKE ON A QUALITY AND A LEVEL OF DETAIL, WHICH IS REALLY UNIQUE TO THE ALAMO EXPERIENCE NEXT. AND SO OVERALL, WE HOPE THAT THIS IS ABLE TO RECONCILE THOSE LARGER PRINCIPLES AND THE VISION WITH A NEW SET OF PARAMETERS. AND, AND WE THINK, AND THROUGH OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE C A C, WE FEEL THAT THIS APPROACH ACTUALLY IS A STRONG, UH, ABILITY TO RECONCILE THOSE NEW CONDITIONS WITH THE BROADER VALUES. SO WE LOOKED AT, UH, THE SPATIAL DEFINITION. ERIC JUST STEPPED US THROUGH A LOT OF THE SITE, MORE PHYSICALLY MOMENTS, AND THE PARAMETERS, UM, WITH THE CHANGE IN PARAMETERS MAY AFFECT OUR DESIGN THINKING. BUT OUR TEAM HAS ALSO STEPPED BACK AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT FROM A VISITOR EXPERIENCE STANDPOINT. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A WORLD CLASS EXPERIENCE OR A WORLD-CLASS SITE, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE VISITORS, WHETHER THEY ARE LOCAL TO [01:20:01] SAN ANTONIO OR VISITORS FROM AROUND THE WORLD, WE NOT ONLY HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR, THEIR PHYSICAL NEEDS, UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF A SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING AND ORIENTATION SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THAT GOAL OF WHAT THAT WORLD CLASS EXPERIENCE MEANS IS A SENSE OF TRANSFORMATION AND EMOTIONAL CONNECTION. AND SO WE KNOW THAT FROM AN EXPERIENCE STANDPOINT, THE SENSE OF ARRIVAL AND ORIENTATION UNDER UNDERSTANDING IS KEY TO GETTING TO THAT EMOTIONAL CONNECTION. AND SO THIS NEXT SYSTEM OF SLIDES, WE'LL WALK THROUGH, UH, OUR APPROACH TO THAT, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NEW PARAMETERS, HOW THAT AFFECTS OUR DESIGN THINKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT GREAT VISITOR EXPERIENCE. SO AS WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SERIES OF SLIDES, WE NOT ONLY ARE GOING TO, UH, PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO DEFINING THE ARRIVAL AT THIS DISTRICT, YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE THE ARROWS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SENSE OF ARRIVAL GIVES A SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING, AND A LOT OF THE SPATIAL DEFINITION THAT ERIC HAS WALKED THROUGH HELPS US TO DO THAT, RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S THE CANOPY TREES OR WHETHER IT'S THE CLEAR IDENTIFICATION, UM, OF THE, UH, OF THE FOOTPRINT AND THE ZONE. BUT ALSO WHEN YOU THINK OF ZONES, WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE THINK OF THIS ALSO FROM AN ACTIVITY STANDPOINT, THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT ZONES THAT ACT DIFFERENTLY, RIGHT? THESE ARE DIFFERENT ACTIVITY ZONES, WHETHER THEY ARE THE PLA, THE SOUTH PLAZA DOES HAVE A DIFFERENT FEELING AND A DIFFERENT PURPOSE SOMETIMES THAN THE GARDEN, FOR EXAMPLE. AND ALSO, THERE'S A DIFFERENT ZONE OF THE CHURCH IN LONG BARRACK, UH, ORIENTATION AND ACTIVITIES, UH, VERSUS THE ACTIVITIES AND EXPERIENCE THAT YOU FEEL WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT MISSION FOOTPRINT AND BATTLEFIELD. UH, FINALLY, THE VISITOR CENTER IN THE MUSEUM OFFERS A WHOLE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITY AS FAR AS A CLEAR ZONE. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT AND SWITCH OUR BRAIN FROM A SPATIAL UNDERSTANDING TO THIS VISITOR EXPERIENCE, AND YOU TAKE THESE CLEAR ZONES, THEN WE START TO THINK ABOUT HOW THEY CAN BE MANAGED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. AND SO THE NEXT SLIDE STARTS TO TALK ABOUT THE PARAMETER THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT OF A FLEXIBLE AND AN OPEN ACCESS TO THE PLAZA. AND SO THE TWO COLORS HERE SHOW, AS YOU SEE IN THE LEGEND OR THE KEY IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A FLEXIBLE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WHERE POTENTIALLY WE CAN LOOK AT THE EXPERIENCE WITH THE MUSEUM, AND THE CHURCH IN THE LONG BARRACK CAN HAVE A MANAGED ACCESS WHILE THE PLAZA REMAINS OPEN AND FREE TO THE PUBLIC. AND SO WE CAN ALSO CONSIDER A DESIGN WHICH REMAINS FLEXIBLE. SO WHEN YOU TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT WE CAN DESIGN THINGS SO THAT THAT OPEN PLAZA CAN ALSO BE FLEXIBLY DESIGNED, SO THAT IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A EVENT THAT WANTS TO HAPPEN, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE TEMPORARY WAYS TO BE ABLE TO, UH, CON CONSOLIDATE THAT AND USE THAT AREA IN A, IN AN EVENT SETTING. SO ONE MORE TIME, LAURA, IF YOU COULD TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THOSE TWO SLIDES, YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR DESIGN AND OUR GOAL IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH OF THESE ARE TAKEN CARE OF AND ARE ABLE THROUGHOUT, UH, THROUGH THIS FLEXIBILITY. NOW, WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL SEE THAT THIS IS A SHIFT, AND WHAT WE PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY IS PART OF THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN, AND WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. AND SO THE PREVIOUS, UH, INTERPRETIVE PLAN DISCUSSED A SINGLE SECURE PERIMETER WITH ONE ENTRY POINT TO GO THROUGH THE MUSEUM AND A VISITOR CENTER THAT YOU SEE IN THAT RED ARROW OFF TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE. AND THIS SHIFT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE NEW PARAMETERS THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING. WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT OUTLINES THIS SHIFT WHERE WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THIS REVISED APPROACH OFFERS THE TWO SECURE PERIMETERS, ONE FOR THE MUSEUM AND VISITOR CENTER ON THE LEFT, AND A DIFFERENT SECURE PERIMETER IN THE DIAGRAM TO THE RIGHT WITH THE CHURCH AND THE LONG BARRACK. AND WHAT THIS WOULD MEAN IS THAT THAT OPEN AREA IN THE MIDDLE, THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT, IS OPEN TO PEDESTRIAN FLOW. YOU CAN SEE THAT PINK ARROW AND ALSO ENABLES, UH, VISITORS TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO SECURE PERIMETERS. AND AGAIN, THESE ARE DIAGRAMS, THIS IS NOT IMPLIED THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TO THE PARAMETER BEING NO RAILINGS. THOSE BROWN AREAS ARE REALLY JUST TO DELINEATE THOSE ZONES IN THIS REVISED APPROACH. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA STEP THROUGH A LITTLE BIT, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE, THAT DIAGRAM AND WE'RE GONNA STEP THROUGH, AND ERIC, SIMILARLY TO THE WAY WE BUILT UP THE CONVERSATION WITH OUR SPATIAL UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE GONNA USE THOSE SAME TOOLS TO STEP UP AND WALK THROUGH A VISITOR EXPERIENCE WITH THOSE STRATEGIES IN MIND. SO ERIC, YOU CAN TAKE IT FROM HERE. THANKS, JOHN. SO WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE, ALTHOUGH IT IS CERTAINLY FOCUSED AROUND THE ALAMO ITSELF, AS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES SUGGEST, IS RELATED TO THE MUCH LARGER EXPERIENCE OF ANY VISITOR COMING TO SAN ANTONIO. AND SO THIS PROJECT IS ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF HOW IT MAKES CONNECTIONS TO THE OTHER IMPORTANT CULTURAL SITES, LA VITA HEMISPHERE, SAN FERNANDO CATHEDRAL, THE MISSIONS, UH, OVERALL AND EVEN TO THE CONTEMPORARY, UM, SORT OF BUSINESS DISTRICT AND, [01:25:01] AND CULTURAL DISTRICTS OF THE, OF THE RIVER WALK. NEXT SLIDE. TO THAT END, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT NO MATTER WHICH DIRECTION PEOPLE ARRIVE FROM, THEY GET A WELCOME AND AN ORIENTATION. SO WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM EVERY DIFFERENT, UH, AREA. SO AT EACH PORTAL, WE THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION, WHETHER THIS IS A KIOSK OR A SET OF SIGNS, IT'S NOT DESIGNED, BUT THOSE ARE GOING TO REFERENCE BOTH HOW PEOPLE ARRIVE. SO THE RESOURCES IN THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS, WHETHER IT'S HOW TO GET TO THE RIVERWALK OR LATA. THESE MOMENTS, THEN, AS YOU SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WOULD DIRECT PEOPLE AS THEY ARRIVE TO A SET OF SORT OF VISITOR ORIENTATION HUBS. AND BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM THE SOUTH OR THE WEST OR THE NORTH, AND WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS PARTICULARLY WHEN PEOPLE COME FROM THE SOUTH, THAT THEY JUST ARRIVE AT THE SITE WITHOUT ANY ORIENTATION, AND THEY JUST ARRIVE AT THE, WE SEE THAT THERE ARE THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TWO HUBS, ONE IN THE PLAZA, UM, IN FRONT OF THE MENGER GATHERING PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTH AND ANOTHER IN THE SORT OF MUSEUM AND FORMAL VISITOR CENTER ALONG THE WEST WALL. SO THESE GATHER AND START TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE AS THEY ARRIVE WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR THE SITE. THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THIS ONE IN THE PLAZA MIGHT BE. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SORT OF OPEN AIR INTERPRETIVE PAVILIONS. THESE ARE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND IN THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU SEE ONE THAT ACTUALLY WE WORKED ON IN BOSTON, WHICH IS FOR THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. AND HERE IT'S BASICALLY JUST A BIG ROOF WITH AN AREA FOR THE RANGERS TO STAND AND START TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE ABOUT THE RESOURCES THAT THIS, UM, NATIONAL PARK HAS TO OFFER. SO AS YOU SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE THINK THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT AS PEOPLE ARRIVE, THEY HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS INTERPRETATION. AND REALLY THE TWO WORK IN CONCERT, THERE'S STILL A FULL SERVICE KIND OF VISITOR AND MUSEUM EXPERIENCE IN THE, UH, AREA WHERE WE SEE THE WOOLWORTH AND A CROCKETT BUILDING. AND THESE DIRECT YOU TO EACH OTHER. SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE SOUTH, IT WOULD CERTAINLY DIRECT YOU THERE TO THAT FULL SERVICE EXPERIENCE. BUT ALSO, IF WE SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WERE GOING DIRECTLY TO THE CHURCH, BOTH OF THOSE WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITIES OF STARTING TO DIRECT YOU TO THAT MOMENT OF ENTRY, AS JOHN SAID, THAT WOULD START YOUR EXPERIENCE OF THE CHURCH, THE LONG BARRACK AND THE MENTO. WE REALIZED THAT PROBABLY IN TERMS OF CAPACITY, JUST LIKE PEOPLE QUEUE TODAY, THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE MOMENT WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ENTER THAT EXPERIENCE, AND THIS ALLOWS US TO GRAB THEM AS THEY COME, ORIENT THEM, EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS, AND GET THEM TO THAT POINT. AS YOU SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE RESOURCES OF THE PLAZA AND THE MISSION FOOTPRINT ITSELF. AND SO THOSE WOULD ALSO BE OPPORTUNITIES, AND THIS REALLY COULD BE 24 7 THAT PEOPLE ARRIVING WOULD THEN BE DIRECTED TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE PLAZA. SO FROM THE SOUTH, THEY WOULD BE DIRECTED THIS WAY. AND THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS IF YOU WERE COMING, LET'S SAY, FROM THE WEST OR THE NORTH, AND YOUR FIRST PORTAL OF ACCESS WAS, UH, ON THE WEST WALL, THIS WOULD DIRECT YOU IN AS WELL. SO NO MATTER WHAT DIRECTION YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU'RE GETTING THAT CRITICAL ORIENTATION THAT YOU DON'T RECEIVE TODAY. NEXT SLIDE. THIS ALLOWS US TO, AS JOHN SAID, AVOID HAVING TO HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY NOW BEEN ABLE TO CAPTURE EVERYONE WHO NEEDS INTERPRETATION. THIS ALLOWS US TO PRESERVE ACCESS. SO ANYONE WALKING UP ALAMO FROM COMMERCE CAN WALK RIGHT THROUGH THE SITE OR EASTER WEST ALONG HOUSTON OR CROCKETT. THIS MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE GUARDRAILS OR RAILINGS OR THESE KINDS OF SINGLE POINTS OF ENTRY. THIS ALLOWS THAT KIND OF FLUID ACCESS AND THE OVERLAP OF PEOPLE COMING FOR THE HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE AND EVERYDAY CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. NEXT SLIDE. WE ALSO THINK THIS ENABLES THE KIND OF CONTINUATION OF THE TRADITIONS THAT HAVE EVOLVED SINCE 1836 ACROSS THE SITE, INCLUDING THE PARADES. THIS ALLOWS US TO, AND THE NOT DROPPING OF THE GRADE ALLOWS US TO LET THOSE PARADES COME THROUGH. WE THINK IN KIND OF KEEPING WITH THE REVERENT NATURE OF THE SITE, WE WOULD DELINEATE THE CORE OF THE, THE, THE MISSION AND THE BATTLEFIELD AS A QUIET ZONE, STILL WITH THE CEREMONIAL ZONE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WHERE WREATHS CAN BE LAID, UM, DURING THE PARADES, AND THEN THE GRANDSTAND AND THE OTHER KIND OF MORE ACTIVE COMPONENTS COULD OCCUPY THE PLAZA SOUTH OF THE SOUTH GATE. UNDER THAT GREAT GROVE OF TREES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE THINK THIS IS A REALLY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO BLEND THESE TWO TOGETHER. AS JOHN SAID, IT ALSO ALLOWS THE DIFFERENTIATION OF ZONES. SO THE OUTDOOR MUSEUM AND CEREMONIAL ZONE WHERE LIVING HISTORY TAKES PLACE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. THE GARDEN, A MORE INTIMATE SPACE FOR GATHERINGS, AND THEN THE PLAZA [01:30:01] ITSELF, WHICH SERVES DAY-TO-DAY TO SUPPORT THE EXPERIENCE OF THE ALAMO, BUT ALSO FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. AND REALLY, THIS IS A GREAT PLACE IN WHICH TO FOCUS THE KIND OF FIRST AMENDMENT, UH, OPPORTUNITY, WHICH WE KNOW HAVE, UH, EVOLVED IN THIS SITE OVER THE YEARS, AREN'T CRITICAL TO ITS MEANING FOR SAN ANTONIO. NEXT. THIS ALSO REALLY REQUIRES, UM, WE THINK A RETHINKING OF VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE SITE. WE THINK IT HAS TO BE, AND IT REALLY SHOULD BE A PEDESTRIANIZED ZONE. AND SO IN THE LONG TERM, WE BELIEVE THAT CLOSING ALAMO STREET ALL THE WAY NORTH OF, UH, OF COMMERCE AND, AND CLOSING CROCKETT AND HOUSTON IS CRITICAL TO ALLOWING THIS SPACE TO FUNCTION FOR PEDESTRIANS. SO WHEREVER YOU SEE ONE OF THOSE SORT OF DO NOT ENTER SIGNS, THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF BOLLARD OR BARRIER OF COURSE, THAT MAKES THIS FULLY OPEN TO PEDESTRIANS, BUT WOULD KEEP VEHICLES OUT. AND THIS IS THE LONG-TERM, UH, VISION OF THE SITE. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE, OF COURSE, THAT SERVICE AND EMERGENCY NEEDS TO BE, UH, GIVEN ACCESS TO THIS. SO ALAMO STREET SOUTH OF CROCKETT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE OPENED FOR SERVICE FOR THOSE BUILDINGS TURNING LEFT ONTO THE EXISTING CROCKETT AND IN FRONT OF THE EMILY MORGAN AS WELL ALONG HOUSTON. THIS IS FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS AND FOR SERVICE, BUT IT WOULD BE TIMED SO THAT THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE CAN, UH, PREVAIL REALLY. IN THE NEXT SLIDE, WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE SORT OF IMMEDIATE OPPORTUNITY. WE KNOW THAT THE, UM, G L O AND THE TRUST IS BUILDING THIS TEMPORARY, OR THIS, THIS INITIAL 18 POUNDER EXHIBIT, UM, IN THE, AND THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE. AND SO CLOSING THE STREET IN THE SHORT TERM BETWEEN HOUSTON AND CROCKETT ENABLES THE KIND OF CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND THE LONG BARRACK AND THE CITA AND THIS NEW, UH, ELEMENT TO BE A REALLY SAFE AND KIND OF OVERARCHING PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND ALLOWS THEM TO START TO PROGRAM, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE PLAZA IN NEW WAYS. WE ALSO THINK THIS ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF REDUCE TRAFFIC ON ALAMO BETWEEN CROCKETT AND COMMERCE, KEEPING IT OPEN FOR SERVICE FOR THE KIND OF BUS AND TRANSIT SO THAT IT'S NOT CHANGING THE SORT OF WAY IN WHICH THE CITY IS FUNCTIONING, BUT IT MIGHT ALLOW A BETTER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, PARTICULARLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BLOCK, AGAIN, TO SORT OF RETURN ACTIVITY TO THOSE BUILDINGS. THIS ALSO ALLOWS THE KIND OF TRAFFIC MODELING THAT JOHN, UH, INDICATED. SO WE BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ANCILLARY UPDATES, UM, TO THE WAY TRAFFIC FLOWS THAT WILL NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED TO MAKE SURE THIS PLAN IS A COMPLETE SUCCESS IN THE LONG TERM. NEXT, HERE'S AN IMAGE OF WHAT THAT MIGHT BE LIKE, AND THEN TO HAND IT BACK TO JOHN FOR THE INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS. SO THIS IS OUR THIRD CHAPTER OF OUR PRESENTATION, AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THESE NEW PARAMETERS. OUR TEAM HAS THOUGHT ABOUT IT FROM A SPATIAL AND A SITE DESIGN POINT OF VIEW, FROM A VISITOR EXPERIENCE POINT OF VIEW, AND NOW LAST AND, AND, BUT STILL VERY IMPORTANT IS FROM AN INTERPRETIVE POINT OF VIEW. AND SO WE KNOW THAT AS WE TOUCHED ON BEFORE, THE THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE AND THE NEED TO, AND THE DESIRE TO HAVE THAT EMOTIONAL CONNECTION WHEN ANYBODY VISITS THE ALAMO. UH, A LOT OF THOSE EMOTIONAL CONNECTIONS ARE REALLY TIED TO THE INTERPRETIVE MOMENTS, THE STORYTELLING THAT HAPPENS THERE. AND TO GIVE THESE VISITORS, WHETHER THEY'RE LOCAL OR WHETHER THEY'RE FROM FAR AWAY, THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND ALL THAT WENT ON THERE AND THE ENTIRE HISTORY AND THE ENTIRE STORY THAT SHAPED THE ALAMO AND SHAPED, UH, THAT SAN ANTONIO TRULY WHAT IT IS TODAY IS IMPORTANT, IS CRUCIAL. AND WE KNOW THAT THE MUSEUM SERVES THAT RIGHT TO, AND THEY DO IT WELL IN THE FUTURE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE USE OF ARCHIVAL AND COLLECTIONS, WHETHER IT BE THE PHIL COLLINS COLLECTION OR THE ALAMO COLLECTION, BUT ALSO THE DELINEATION OF THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT AND THE USE OF THAT AS A SPACE FOR GUIDED TOURS. LIVING HISTORY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO US, AND THE INTERPRETATION OF THOSE MOMENTS SO THAT VISITORS CAN UNDERSTAND HISTORY, RIGHT WHERE HISTORY HAPPENED, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT THE PLAN RETAINS. AND SO, UH, IN RETAINING THAT, WE KNEW THAT WE HAD TO STUDY THE ADDITIONAL PARAMETERS TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THAT AND ALL OF THOSE GOALS, UH, ARE RETAINED. SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND THIS IS REALLY A SUMMARY OF ALL THE INTERPRETIVE, UM, THOUGHTS THAT WE HAVE HAD. THIS BY NO MEANS IS COMPREHENSIVE OF ALL THE STORIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE OUT THERE, BUT IT IS A DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS THE INTENT AND THE ABILITY TO TELL THAT LAYERED HISTORY, SUCH A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THAT HISTORIC FOOTPRINT WHERE THERE ARE MOMENTS THAT, AND [01:35:01] AREAS WITHIN THERE, RIGHT IN THE FOOTPRINT TO TELL NOT ONLY A MISSION STORY, BUT ALSO A BATTLE STORY AND A POST BATTLE STORY ALMOST RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. UM, AND OUR ABILITY TO, TO USE THOSE, UH, STORYTELLING MOMENTS, USE THE INTERPRETATION, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A BALANCED STORY WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SEE, UH, THEMSELVES WITHIN THESE MOMENTS AND HAVE THE EMOTIONAL CONNECTION. SO THESE DIAGRAMS, AGAIN, WITH THE THREE COLORS, START TO DELINEATE AND SEND THE MESSAGE OF OUR GOAL OF MAKING SURE THAT THE LAYERED HISTORY AND THE ENTIRE, UM, SPECTRUM OF HISTORY FOR THE ALAMO IS TOLD MISSION ERA, BATTLE STORIES AND POST BATTLE. UM, AND SO THOSE COLORS REPRESENT THAT, BUT ALSO IN THAT INTERPRETIVE, WE DO WANT TO START TO SUMMARIZE THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, UH, ALL THOSE PARAMETERS. OUR GOAL IS TO, UH, KEEP THAT INTERPRETIVE CONTENT, UH, AND THE ABILITY TO CELEBRATE THOSE. AND NOW THERE'S A SUMMARY HERE. THE FINAL SLIDES WE HAVE, UH, IN, IN OUR OPINION, IN ALL THESE SUMMARIES THROUGH OUR STUDY OF SPATIAL AND VISITOR EXPERIENCE AND INTERPRETATION, WE'VE RETAINED THE FIVE KEY ELEMENTS THAT YOU SEE THERE THAT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT IN THE BEGINNING. AND ALSO A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THESE ARE OUR PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED WITH OUR NEW DESIGN STRATEGIES ABOUT THE CTAP BEING REPAIRED, NOT MOVED, THE MISSION FOOTPRINT BEING DELINEATED WITH PAVING MATERIAL CHANGES AND NOT LOWERED TO ITS LIVING SURFACE. THE PLAZA REMAINING ACCESSIBLE TO PEDESTRIANS WITHOUT RAILINGS, THE PEDESTRIAN OR THE PARADES AND THE KEY RITUALS AND TRADITIONS WILL ARE ALL ACCOMMODATED. AND ALSO THE STREETS, UH, CLOSED AS PLANNED AND APPROVED, UH, WITH A PHASED CLOSING BETWEEN HOUSTON AND CROCKETT STARTING ON JUNE 1ST. SO WITH THAT, UH, WITH THAT SUMMARY SLIDE THERE, I'LL HAND IT BACK TO LORI, UM, TO TAKE IT FROM THERE. SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE LUCK THAT TECHNOLOGY CARRIED US THROUGH, UH, AND MADE SURE THAT WE COULD, UH, WE COULD SHARE THOSE THOUGHTS WITH YOU. SO THANK YOU JOHN, AND THANK YOU, ERIC. AS WE'VE SHOWN, WE'VE LISTENED TO YOUR CONCERNS, WE'VE LISTENED TO THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE CONCERNS, AND THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ISSUED SIX STATEMENTS OF SUPPORT FOR EACH OF THOSE DESIGN CHANGES. THEY SUPPORTED REPAIRING THE TAF AND NOT MOVING IT. THEY SUPPORTED, ACCOMMODATING IMPORTANT EVENTS AND RITUALS AND KEEPING THE PARADES ON THE SITE. THEY SUPPORTED DELINEATING THE FOOTPRINT, NOT BY LOWERING IT TO ITS LIVING SURFACE, BUT DOING IT THROUGH A SERIES OF PAVERS OR OTHER MEANS. THEY ALSO SUPPORTED NOT MANAGING THE ACCESS OF THE ENTIRE SITE, BUT ONLY MANAGING THE ACCESS FOR THE VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM AND THE CHURCH IN LONG BARRACK, BUT ALLOWING THE PLAZA TO BE A PLAZA. THEY SUPPORTED THE PHASING OF THE STREET CLOSURES, BUT IT'S KEY THAT WE WORK WITH ALL OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS WHEN WE DO THIS TRAFFIC MODELING SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT SECTION OF ALAMO STREET FROM CROCKETT TO COMMERCE CAN ACCOMMODATE. AND THEN FINALLY, THEY ALL AGREED THAT THESE FIVE CHANGES ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE CREATED IN 2014. FOR US TO MEMORIALIZE THESE CHANGES, WE ARE PROPOSING AN AMENDED AND RESTATED OPERATING AND LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE. IT WILL STILL BE A 50 YEAR LEASE WITH 2 25 YEAR EXTENSIONS. IT'LL BE A LONG-TERM LEASE, AND THE G L O WILL CONTINUE TO CONTROL PARCEL A THROUGH THEIR LEASE. AND THEN ALAMO STREET FROM HOUSTON STREET TO CROCKETT WILL BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED, STARTING JUNE ONE, AND THE LEASE FOR PARCEL B, WHICH INCLUDES THAT AREA IN GREEN, WHICH INCLUDES THE STREETS AND SOME OTHER PORTIONS OF ALAMO PLAZA. THAT WILL NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL THERE IS A DESIGN THAT'S APPROVED OF A MUSEUM THAT REPURPOSES THE CROCKETT AND THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING, AND THAT THE FUNDING FOR THE MUSEUM AND VISITOR CENTER IS IDENTIFIED. AND THEN IF EITHER OF THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE NOT OCCURRED BY JANUARY 1ST, 2026, THEN THE CITY WILL HAVE NO FURTHER OBLIGATION TO PARCEL B. THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNSEL BROUGHT UP AT THE B SESSION LAST WEEK, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD A STOP DATE. WHEN DOES THIS, UM, CONTRACT TERMINATE? IF ONE OF US IS NOT FOLLOWING THE CONDITIONS, WE ALSO HAVE INCORPORATED THE DESIGN CHANGES INTO THE LEASE AGREEMENT. SO THE CENTER TAF WILL NOT MOVE. IT WILL BE REPAIRED. THE SITE WILL ACCOMMODATE EVENTS, RITUALS, AND THE PARADES. THE MISSION FOOTPRINT WILL NOT BE LOWERED BUT DELINEATED THROUGH PAVERS, AND THE ACCESS WILL NOT BE MANAGED. ACCESS TO THE PLAZA WILL NOT BE MANAGED ONLY ACCESS TO THE VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM, AS WELL AS THE CHURCH AND LAWN BARRACK WILL BE MANAGED. WE WILL ACCOMMODATE THESE IMPORTANT EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, PART OF OUR CULTURAL FABRIC IN SAN ANTONIO. THESE EVENTS ARE SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN THE AGREEMENT, BUT WE HAVE A PROCESS [01:40:01] FOR OTHER EVENTS. SO WE DO INCLUDE THE BATTLE FLOWERS PARADE AND THE FIESTA FLAMBEAU PARADE, THE TOP AAM, MEMORIAL SUNRISE SERVICE, THE ALAMO DEFENDERS AND DEFENDANTS ASSOCIATION REMEMBRANCE CEREMONY. WE HAVE THE ARMY MILITARY DAY AT THE ALAMO PILGRIMAGE TO THE ALAMO MARINE DAY, NAVY DAY, AIR FORCE DAY, THE CAVALIERS INVESTORS CEREMONY, D R T MEMORIAL SERVICE AND OTHER MILITARY CEREMONIES AND EVENTS. THESE EVENTS DO NOT REQUIRE THAT THE PLAZA BE CLOSED, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE EVENTS STILL HAVE A HOME IN THE PLAZA. AND THEN FOR THOSE EVENTS THAT ARE NEW AND ARE NOT PRODUCED BY THE CITY, THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE OF THE TRUST, THERE IS A PROCESS. AND SO THAT PROCESS WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. AND IF THERE IS AN EVENT THAT AN ORGANIZATION IS PROPOSING, THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE WILL CONSIDER IT PROVIDED THE EVENT HAS WIDE COMMUNITY SUPPORT, AND THERE IS A CULTURAL AND SIGNIFICANT TIE TO THE SITE. FOR EXAMPLE, FIVE K RUNS, 10 K RUNS, THOSE WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE SITE. HOWEVER, THERE IS AN EVENT, POTENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT ONE OF OUR ACAC MEMBERS BROUGHT UP A DAY OF THE DEAD CEREMONY THAT HONORS ALL THAT LIVED, FOUGHT, AND DIED ON THE SITE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONSIDERED ON THE SITE. AND THEN OF COURSE, PROGRAMMING MUST BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. THE CONSTRUCTION, THE CITY IS GOING TO FUND THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE AWA PLAZA, AND WE WILL MANAGE ALL STAKEHOLDER COMMUNICATIONS. WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS EVERY TUESDAY AT 4:00 PM SINCE THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY. AND WE HAVE ON AVERAGE ABOUT 15 TO 20 MEMBERS WHO ATTEND THOSE CALLS. BUT EVERY STAKEHOLDER WHO IS A PROPERTY OWNER OR A LEASE AROUND THE PLAZA GETS A WEEKLY EMAIL FROM CITY STAFF ABOUT ANY CHANGES TO THE FENCING OR ANY UPCOMING EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE PLAZA. AND WE ALSO HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS ON THE TRAFFIC MODELING THAT'S ABOUT TO OCCUR. SO WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING THAT MEETING NEXT WEEK. SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT TRAFFIC MODELING. WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF USES THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE? WE HAVE HEARD HORSE CARRIAGES. WE HAVE HEARD CHARTER BUSES. WE HAVE HEARD TOUR BUSES. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. WE NEED TO MODEL THAT, AND THAT WILL BE MODELED OVER THE SUMMER. UM, WE WILL INCORPORATE INTO OUR LEASE AGREEMENT OUR ARCHIVAL AND ARCHEOLOGY APPROACH. SO WE ARE DOING AN ARCHIVAL INVESTIGATION. WE WILL DEVELOP AN ACTION PLAN. WE'RE DEVELOPING AN ARCHEOLOGY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND WE WILL COMPLY WITH THE TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE AND THE TEXAS ANTIQUITIES CODE. THIS WILL BE EMBEDDED IN OUR LEASE AGREEMENT. AND THE G L O AND THE ALAMO TRUST WILL FUND AND MANAGE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE VERTICAL INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS ON THE ALAMO PLAN TO INCLUDE THE 18 POUNDER, THE SOYA HOUSE, THE SOUTH GATE, THE PALISADES, THE CASTANEDA HOUSE, THE NORTH WALL, AND OTHERS IDENTIFIED IN THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN. I KNOW COUNCILMAN COURAGE, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THE SENATE TAP AND WHO'S GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THAT? THAT COST IS GONNA BE SHARED. SO THE CITY, THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE, AND THE TRUST. ONCE WE HAVE A REPAIR PLAN AND A COST FOR THAT, WE WILL DISCUSS HOW WE SHARE THOSE COSTS BECAUSE NOW THE, THE SENATE TAP NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN INTERPRETIVE ELEMENT TO THAT. AND SO WE CONTINUE OUR PARTNERSHIP AND WE'LL BE SHARING THOSE COSTS. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE G L O WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ELEMENTS ON THE A ALABAMA PLAN ON STATE PROPERTY. SO THEY ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE CHURCH IN LONG BARRACK, AND THEY'RE GONNA PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN EX EXHIBITION AND COLLECTIONS BUILDING. I WANNA SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT COLLECTIONS BUILDING. IT IS IN THE GARDEN AREA BEHIND THE ALAMO, UM, AND THE CHURCH, IT'S ABOUT 24,000 SQUARE FEET. 10,000 OF IT IS FOR EXHIBIT EXHIBITION SPACE. THE REMAINING 14,000 IS FOR STORAGE SPACE. IT IS NOT TO REPLACE THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE MUSEUM. THAT IS REALLY A SPACE FOR THEM TO HAVE STORAGE AND TRAVELING EXHIBITS. AND THE ALAMO TRUST IS ALREADY LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING IN, IN EXHIBITS FROM THE SMITHSONIAN AND OTHER WORLD-CLASS PLACES THAT WE CAN BRING TO SAN ANTONIO. AND THE CITY WILL CONVEY THE GIFT SHOP AND VISITOR CENTER CURRENTLY IN THE CROCKETT BUILDING TO THE G L O UPON APPROVAL OF THE MUSEUM DESIGN THAT SHOWS THAT THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN REPURPOSED AND THE G L O IS GOING TO FUND THE RELOCATION OF THE VISITOR CENTER AND THE GIFT SHOP. THE FUNDING, THE CITY HAS $38 MILLION FOR THIS PLAN. 1 MILLION IS FROM THE 2012 GO BONDS. 17 MILLION IS FROM CFOS THAT WERE ISSUED IN 2016 AND 2017. THIS IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE STREETCAR MONEY. AND THEN THERE'S $21 MILLION IN THE 2017 GO BOND THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND PARK IMPROVEMENTS. AND THOSE ARE THE FUNDS THAT WE WANT TO SPEND IMMEDIATELY. THE TOTAL PROJECT FUNDING, THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS COMMITTED $106 MILLION. THEY'RE ANTICIPATING MORE TO BE COMING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS OUR $38 MILLION. THAT MONEY WILL BE BROKEN OUT. THE CROCKETT BOTTOM STREET IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE ABOUT $15 MILLION. AND AS YOU SAW FROM CITY AUDITOR, KEVIN BAR TOLD, HE SENT YOU INFORMATION ABOUT HOW WE HAVE SPENT AND COMMITTED ABOUT 14 MILLION OF THAT. WE'RE PUTTING IN ABOUT [01:45:01] ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS JUST FOR ANY OTHER, FOR THE TRAFFIC MODELING AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WE MAY NEED TO MAKE TO THAT SECTION OF CROCKETT. AND, UM, A SECTION OF ALAMO ON CROCKETT AND COMMERCE. AND THEN THE ALAMO PLAZA. WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT $23 MILLION. WE FEEL THIS IS ENOUGH FUNDING SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE DO NOT NEED TO LOWER THE GRADE BY TWO FEET. AND WE'VE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES, AND WE FEEL THAT THIS FUNDING WILL ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS IN THE PLAZA. AND THEN FINALLY, THE ALIMO ENDOWMENT. THEY'LL BE PAYING FOR THE MUSEUM AND THE INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS ON THE ALAMO PLAZA, AND THEY'RE CONTINUING TO DEVELOP THEIR BUDGET FOR THAT EFFORT. OUR SCHEDULE, IF APPROVED TODAY, THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE WILL SIGN OFF ON THIS REINSTATED AND AMENDED LEASE AGREEMENT. UM, OUR ALMA PLAZA SCHEDULE IS TO START DESIGN IMMEDIATELY, UM, DO OUR TRAFFIC STUDY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS WITH OUR AREA BUSINESS STAKEHOLDERS, AND WE ALSO WILL GO TO H D R C BY DECEMBER OF 2021, SO WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY 2022. THE PRESERVATION WORK FOR THE CHURCH IN LONG BARRACK IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, AND THE MUSEUM AND VISITOR CENTER DUE DILIGENCE AND CONCEPTUAL PLANNING IS ALSO UNDERWAY. I'D LIKE TO MENTION ONE MORE THING. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS. WE HAVE DEVELOPED A GRANT FOR CONSTRUCTION RELIEF. UM, WE'VE RELEASED THAT GRANT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. WE HAVE 20 APPLICATIONS ALREADY FROM AREA STAKEHOLDERS. WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND THEM GRANTS OF UP TO $25,000 TO HELP THEM OFFSET COSTS RELATED TO MAYBE WAYFINDING AND MAPS AND ADVERTISING TO GET PEOPLE TO THEIR BUSINESSES. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I'M GONNA SIT DOWN AND MYSELF, KATE ROGERS AND HECTOR VIA CITY MANAGER, ERIC WALSH. UM, MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE MEMBER ANDY SEGOVIA AND MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE MEMBER AND TRI CHAIR MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER REBECCA GRO WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, LORI, UH, AND TO OUR TEAM, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION, THANK YOU TO THE DESIGN FOLKS ALSO FOR THE BRIEFING. VERY THOROUGH. UH, AS WE KNOW, WE SAW MOST OF THIS, UH, ALL OF THIS, UM, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AT COUNCIL. WE HAVE, UH, SEVERAL CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, NOW ON ITEM FOUR. SO I'LL BEGIN CALLING THEM UP, UH, IN ORDER. UM, AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHO'S COMING UP NEXT SO YOU CAN BE PREPARED. UH, IT'S MY GREAT HONOR TO WELCOME BACK TO OUR CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. FIRST, THOUGH, UH, OUR FORMER MAYOR PHIL HARDBERGER. SO, UH, MAYOR HARDBERGER, IF YOU COULD COME UP AND YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY FORMER MAYOR AND CURRENT COUNTY JUDGE NELSON WOLF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE PLAN. IT'S VERY EXCITING. LEARNED A LOT MORE DETAILS TODAY. UH, I DO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS, MAYOR, UH, IN MOVING THIS ALONG, GETTING IT DONE. UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GIVE DEFERENCE TO THE SHORTNESS OF LIFE. AND THIS PLAN, THE ALAMO PLAN HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT, DISCUSSED, AND ARGUED ABOUT NOW, FOR 11 YEARS. IT BEGAN, AND MAYOR CASTRO'S TERM IMMEDIATELY AFTER I LEFT OFFICE. UH, AND OF COURSE IT'S STILL GOING ON, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A VERY FINE PLAN NOW, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP VERY MUCH ON THIS MAYOR BERG. VERY GOOD WORK. UH, I ALSO, OF COURSE, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STAFF WORK IS DONE ON THIS, AND, UH, I'M SURE THEY HAVE GOOD DAYS AND BAD DAYS, BUT LORI HOUSTON, HER ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, HAS REALLY BEEN OUTSTANDING, UH, IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. SHE HAS A LOT OF IMAGINATION. SHE HAS ENERGY AND DETERMINATION, WHICH IS WHAT YOU NEED TO GET IT DONE. UH, BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK ROBERTO TREVINO FOR ALL THE WORK HE PUT INTO THIS AND GETTING US TO THIS POINT. UH, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM OF MOVING ALAMO FORWARD IS NOT THAT WE DON'T LOVE THE ALAMO. THE PROBLEM IS WE LOVE THE ALAMO SO MUCH THAT EVERY DETAIL SEEMS TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD AS FAR AS THE ALAMO IS CONCERNED, IS TO GET ON WITH THIS PROJECT AND FINISH IT. THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. WE WANT TO HONOR THE ALAMO. IF WE CAN'T DECIDE HOW TO HONOR THE ALAMO, WE DISHONOR THE ALAMO. WE MUST CONTINUE TO WORK, WORK TOGETHER, UM, AND TO GET IT DONE. I LOVE THE, UH, OPENNESS OF THE PLAZA AGAIN, UH, FREE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. THAT'S WONDERFUL. I LIKE THE IDEA, UH, VERY MUCH OF KEEPING CARS OUT IN AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE HISTORICAL PARADES BEING ALLOWED TO PARADE WHERE THEY'VE ALWAYS PARADED SINCE [01:50:01] 1890 OR SO, PART OF HISTORY IN, IN AND OF ITSELF. AND ALSO THE RETENTION OF THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING AND RECOGNIZING THAT THAT TOO MADE HISTORY THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE ALAMO PER SE, AND THE BATTLE AND SO FORTH. BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT WOOLWORTH BUILDING IS OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, BECAUSE WE HAD A PEACEFUL INTEGRATION OF SAN ANTONIO WHEN SO MUCH OF THE SOUTH WAS DISGRACING THEMSELVES. UH, SO THAT WHAT HAPPENED? A MAN CAME IN AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN IN ORDER TO HAM SANDWICH AND A CUP OF COFFEE, AND HE GOT IT. THAT WAS IT. BUT THAT WAS A NON HAPPENING THAT WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. SO I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE RETAINING THAT AS A PART OF THE ENTIRE HISTORICAL PICTURE, BECAUSE IT ALL GOES TOGETHER TO ELECT REFLECT SOMETHING ON SAN ANTONIO. UH, I MIGHT ALSO SAY THAT IT IS, UH, WONDERFUL TO BE SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH, UH, JUDGE NELSON WOLF. WE WORKED TOGETHER OURSELVES ON MANY, MANY PROJECTS, AND, UH, UH, IT'S A PLEASURE, PLEASURE TO BE WITH HIM AGAIN TODAY. SO I CONGRATULATE ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN GRO FOR TAKING OVER THIS IMPORTANT JOB AND LEADING IT ON TO VICTORY. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I WOULD SAY THIS, I HOPE EVERYBODY GETS ON WITH THIS AND MOVES IT, BECAUSE WHEN THE ALAMO PLAN IS TOTALLY AFFECTED AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, I DO NOT WISH TO BE A SPECTRAL PRESIDENT PRESENCE. NO. I WANT TO BE OUT THERE WALKING, YELLING, AND GOING INTO A BEER AFTERWARDS FOR CELEBRATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR HARBERGER, BEXAR COUNTY, JUDGE NELSON WOLF. UH, JUDGE WOLF BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, ONE OF OUR A C A C MEMBERS, UH, GEORGIA SS JUDGE WOLFF. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, MAYOR NUREMBERG, THANK YOU FOR RESETTING THIS PLAN AND OPENING IT UP AND TAKING ANOTHER LOOK. AND THANK THE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK Y'ALL HAVE SET THROUGH 150 DIFFERENT MEETINGS REGARDING THE ALAMO OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. I KNOW SOME OF THAT HAD TO BE PRETTY PAINFUL. UH, IT IT, IT'S A, A OP GREAT OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU NOW, UH, TO RECONSIDER WHAT'S GOING ON NOW, MAYOR HARBERGER AND I, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY IN ONE SENSE, WE'RE SORT OF EXPERTS ON THE ALAMO. IF YOU ADD OUR YEARS TOGETHER, IT'S 166 YEARS. WE ONLY MISSED THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO BY 19. SO , WE CAME CLOSE COLLECTIVELY, UH, PLAZA. YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THAT SHOULD REMAIN OPEN. IT'S ONE OF OUR GREAT HISTORIC MEETING PLACES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 150 YEARS. UH, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT JUST TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED ON THE PLAN UP HERE, IT'S GONNA REALLY BE EXPANDED AND GIVE A GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER. SO MANY HISTORIC EVENTS HAVE HAPPENED ON THAT PLAZA, AS WELL AS IN THE ALAMO AND THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS PARADE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY I'VE RIDDEN IN, AND I KNOW YOU'VE RIDDEN IN A LOT OF AMERICA. SO IS PHIL HARBERGER. IT'S A WARMING FEELING WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN THROUGH THAT PARADE AND YOU STOP THERE AT THE ALAMO AND YOU LAY A REEF THERE. AND THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS WAS, UH, CREATED THAT 130 YEARS AGO, UH, PRINCIPALLY TO HONOR THE HEROES OF THE ALAMO, OF GOLIAD, OF THE BATTLE OF SAN JACINTO. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PRESERVING THAT. AS WELL AS OTHER HISTORIC PARADES THAT MAY COME BY. I BELIEVE IT WAS MARCH 16TH, 1960, UH, WHEN RICHARD HUNT CAME HERE, RENOWNED AFRICAN AMERICAN, UH, UH, ARTISTS, AND WAS THERE AT THAT LUNCH COUNTER, UH, WHEN, UH, WE INTEGRATED AND WHEN WE DID IT IN THE RIGHT CORRECT WAY, THEY WERE HONORED WHEN THEY CAME TO THAT LUNCH COUNTER. AND WHAT DO WE HAVE TODAY? WE HAVE THE LARGEST PARADE IN THE, IN THE UNITED STATES WITH THE M L K PARADE, RECOGNIZING OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE. SO WE STOOD UP AS FAR BACK AS 1960 AND PRESERVING THAT WORLD WORTH BUILDING AND DOING THAT THE RIGHT WAY IS, IS ABSOLUTELY A GREAT DECISION. SO WE REALLY DO SUPPORT THE ALAMO CITIZENS COMMITTEE, UH, THAT'S BRINGING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. EXCITING TO SIT HERE AND TO SEE THE DESIGN THAT GOES THROUGH AND HOW IT JUST TRANSFORMS THAT AREA AND EVEN MAKES IT BETTER AS A GREAT WALKABLE CITY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. SO WE HOPE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT, [01:55:01] AND WE THANK YOUR TREMENDOUS HARD WORK OVER THE YEARS TO BRING US TO THIS POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JUDGE WOLFE. ALRIGHT, UM, GEORGE CISNEROS. MR. CISNEROS, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY A GROUP, UM, UH, CHAIRWOMAN TORRES, MARY JANE MARTINEZ, AND RHETT SMITH. FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO YOU, MAYOR AND TO JUDGE WOLF. Y'ALL HAVE BEEN THE GUIDING LIGHT AND THE STABILITY OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE LAST 13 MONTHS. UH, YOUR LEADERSHIP DURING THIS CRISIS IS, IS REMARKABLE. UH, YOU HAVE DONE THE BEST YOU COULD AT DEFENDED SAN ANTONIO IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. UH, MY SCHEDULE IS NOW BASED UPON 6 9, 6 13 EVERY DAY TO WATCH THE RON AND, UH, NELSON SHOW. IT IS SO COMFORTING TO SEE YOU GUYS LIKE FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT WITH THIS FIRESIDE RADIO PROGRAM. WE DEPEND ON YOU. AND, UH, THANK YOU TWO GUYS VERY MUCH, UH, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS MATTER. NOW, AHEAD OF US, WE HAVE A PROJECT WHICH IS ALMOST TOO BIG TO FAIL. WE'RE MOVING INTO ONE OF THOSE WORLDS NOW. SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE ADDRESS THE DETAILS. UH, UH, FIRST, AND I WOULD FIRST OF ALL KNOW, THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO CREDIT THE PEOPLE WHO'VE GOTTEN HIS HERE THIS FAR. ROBERTO, THANK YOU FOR VERY MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON VERSION ONE. UH, I DO WANNA APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF THE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE OF OUR STATE, ON THE BAD BEHAVIOR THAT WAS DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU AT THE HISTORICAL, UH, MEETING LAST FALL. YOU BECAME THE PUNCHING BAG FOR MISINFORMED POLITICIANS WHO DON'T LIKE SAN ANTONIO. AND, AND YOU TOOK THE FLACK. AND, UH, UH, MY RESPECT FOR YOU IS VERY HIGH. UH, THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE SUING MY POLICE CHIEF. AND I JUST THINK THAT, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT TO THANK THE NEW CHAIR OF THE, UH, WHO BROUGHT US TO VERSION TWO. UH, COUNCILMAN VRAN FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. UH, YOU IN 50 DAYS, YOU'VE TAKEN US FROM HERE, FROM THERE TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SUE SUEANN, REMARKABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT TODAY, AND ANETTA, I KNOW YOU'RE WATCHING ON TV. UH, YOU'VE BEEN THE CULTURAL LEADER AND, AND KIND OF THE VOICE OF CONSCIENCE IN SAN ANTONIO SINCE BEFORE THE CARVER WAS EVEN FOUNDED AS A CULTURAL CENTER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALSO TO, UH, MY COUNCILWOMAN. UH, SHE APPOINTED ME TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, SHE GONZALEZ. UH, PRIOR TO, UH, YOUR PHONE CALL, I WENT TO CONFESSION AND THE PRIEST SAID, YOU MUST ACCEPT THE CALL FROM SHIRLEY GONZALEZ FOR YOUR PENANCE. AND UH, SURE ENOUGH, WITHIN A FEW DAYS, YOU CALLED. SO I THINK YOU HAD SOMETHING PLANNED, , BUT THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT EXPERIENCE, GREAT EDUCATIONAL, LAURA, YOU'RE FANTASTIC. AND RIA AMAZING. SO LET'S GET DOWN TO MY CONCERNS. THERE'S TWO LEFT THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS OF. THIS IS A THREE LEGGED STOOL, THE CITY G L O ALAMO ENDOWMENT. THE WEAK LEG IS ALAMO ENDOWMENT. WHEN I SAW TWO BE DETERMINED ON THE BUDGET, I WENT, OH MAN, WE GOTTA GET, WE GOTTA PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. I WANT TO THANK THE, UH, THE, THE CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCILMAN VIA GRAND, THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA PUT A TIMELINE ON THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT. WE CANNOT BE STUCK WITH A BLACK HOLE WHERE THEY DON'T COME THROUGH WITH THE MONEY, AND WE JUST KEEP POURING DOWN A MONEY PIT IF WE DON'T GET THEIR FULL SUPPORT. THE SECOND THING IS I WANT TO THANK ANDY AND, AND ERIC ON, UH, DRESSING UP SECTION 15 IN THE LEASE. I WAS VERY GOOD THE THE CHANGES YOU MADE. HOWEVER, I NOTICED THAT THE THING THAT CONCERNED ME MOST WAS MOVED FROM SECTION 15 TO SECTION TWO, SECTION 2 0 5. AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE, UH, AND I ENCOURAGE SOME COUNCIL PERSON TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT SECTION 2.05 THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THE SALE OF ALAMO PLAZA TO THE STATE OF TEXAS 46 YEARS AND THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, IT COULD HAPPEN, A COUNCIL THAT IS NOT AS ENLIGHTENED AND EDUCATED AS THIS ONE MAY DECIDE THEY WANNA MAKE A NEW SPORTS FACILITY. SO LET'S SELL ALAMO PLAZA AND MAKE A A, A RACETRACK THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME OR, OR DO SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PROTECT ALAMO PLAZA. I DO THINK WE HAVE TO SAY THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF ALAMO PLAZA IN PERPETUITY. AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT, THAT IS THE, IS THE FLAT LINE. WE OWN ALAMO PLAZA FOREVER. WE SHOULD TAKE OUT, UH, SECTION 2.05 AND REWORD IT SO THAT OWNERSHIP ALWAYS WILL BE WITH SAN ANTONIO. WE DO NOT KNOW, UH, HOW COUNCILS AND MAYORS ARE. WE MAY HAVE CONSOLIDATED GOVERNMENT BY THEN [02:00:01] IN 96 YEARS AND THREE MONTHS FROM NOW. WE MAY EVEN HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE STATE OF TEXAS IS DIVIDED INTO SMALLER STATES. IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN THE TREATY THAT ALLOWED THE STATE OF TEXAS TO BECOME PART OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT THE STATE COULD BE DIVIDED BY FIVE INTO FIVE SLAVE OWNING. I'M SORRY, WE WON'T GO THERE. UH, UH, FIVE STATES, UH, WE DON'T KNOW. SO IF WE OWN THE LAND IN PERPETUITY, WE DON'T HAVE TO FACE THOSE TEMPTATIONS IN THE FUTURE. I HAVE 56 SECONDS LEFT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS TIME. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M NOT ONE TO BACK OFF. UH, SO IF NOT, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. D TWO I I LOVE YOU. UM, UH, MR. COURAGE, YOU'RE A HISTORIAN. UH, STAY IN TOUCH, WEAR PURPLE MORE OFTEN. MY WIFE IS A MILITARY BRATT AND THEY TRAVELED, LIVED IN 11 CITIES BEFORE THEY ENDED UP HERE, AND I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO MARRY HER. UH, HE'S GONE. BUT JUDGE WOLF, THANK YOU ALSO, UH, 18 SECONDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CISNEROS. THE TIMER WAS A LITTLE LATE ON STARTING . SO, UM, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A GROUP NOW, UH, CHAIRWOMAN TORRES, MARY JANE MARTINEZ, AND RHETT SMITH. UH, YOU ALL HAD NINE MINUTES. UH, AND WE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY RON ROCHA, CHAIRWOMAN TORRES, MARY JANE MARTINEZ, AND RHETT SMITH. COUNCIL AND MAYOR, WE AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN TWO YEARS, SO, SO I, I I HAD TO WRITE IT. BET ON YOU. . YOU'RE DOING A HORRIBLE JOB VIA GRAND SHAME ON YOU. WE ARE THE INDIAN FIRST NATION. WE ARE SOVEREIGN SELF-DETERMINATION, INHERIT PEOPLE. WE ARE LENIENT DESCENDANTS FROM THE ALAMO MISSION. WE ENTER AN INDIAN TREATY AGREEMENT IN 1740 YEAR AGAIN WITH, UM, CHAIRWOMAN TORRES. UH, WE ARE THE PRINCIPLES, THE MEDICINE, THE HEALING, AND THE PRAYERS OF THE SANCTITY OF THE ALAMO PEOPLE. I AM THE DIPLOMAT REPRESENTATIVE OF A MATERNAL CHE TRIBE, THE TRIBAL PRESERVATION OFFICER, THE TRIBAL RA . WE ARE THE UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE SAN ANTONIO MIC'S INDIGENOUS WORKING COMMITTEE. WE INSCRIBE, I WORK ON THAT INSCRIPTION FOR THREE YEARS. THIS IS A FORMAL NOTICE TO CEASE AND CEASE. YOU HAVE, I LIKE THE PLEDGE AGE, THE INTER TRAVEL AGREEMENT ORDINANCE 79 7 45. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO NO MORE RESEARCH. YOU HAVE ALL THE BURIALS. WE, WE CONSULT WITH YOU, YOU INVITE US AND YOU GIVE US NOTICE OF THE PLEDGE IS 80 PAGES WITH ALL THE BURAL RECORDS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESEARCH ANYMORE. YOU HAVE THE SECRETE SINCE 2015, THE BURIAL GROUNDS. WE TOLD YOU TO STOP IT. YOU DID NOT. WE HA GIVE YOU THE PROCLAMATION AND THE DECLARATION OF WAR ON 20 12, 20 13, 20 14, 20 15. WE ALSO MET WITH ELLO, WITH JERRY PARTISAN OVER THREE HOURS CONSULTATION. IT'S A LONG STORY THAT YOU, THE NEW CHICK LADIES COUNCIL, WOMEN NEW ONES, DON'T KNOW THE STORY. STOP YOUR FAIRYTALE. THIS IS A BUREAU GRANT. THE WHOLE SIDE, YOU HAVE VIOLATE THE PLEDGE, THE SANCTITY, OR OVER PRAYING GENERATIONS AS A GIFT OR CEREMONIAL PE AT THE ALAMO WITH PE PEOPLE. WE HAVE ASKED PRESIDENT BIDEN A CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION AND ALSO DECLARED THE SITE SINCE THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. I DON'T KNOW WHY TRUMP DECLARED NATIONAL CEMETERY. PRESIDENT BIDEN ENTERED THE MEMORANDUM, THE THREE EXECUTIVE ORDERS, JANUARY THE 21ST. AGAIN, RESTATED THAT 20 20 20, UH, UH, EXECUTIVE ORDER OF SACRED GROUNDS OF SACRED SITES, AND ALSO OUR SOVEREIGNTY AS A INDIAN NATION. YOU DO NOT HAVE TAUGHT ALL OF THIS LAND. I ALREADY TOLD YOU MANY TIMES. YOU MUST PROVE IT. YOU MUST PROVE SHAME ON YOU ANDY. YOU NEED TO BE FIRED. SAME GLORY FIRE AND YOU DON'T DO IT. THEN YOU NEED TO BE FIRED AS A CITY MANAGER. YOU MUST PROVE YOU HAVE THE COLOR OF THE TITLE. [02:05:01] WE ASKING THE INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNALS OR ABORIGINAL INDIGENOUS INTERNATIONAL SELF-DETERMINATION, SAFE EXISTENCE. YOU HAVE, I LIKE THE PLEDGE. SHE, YOU WENT TO GERMANY. VERY COMFORTABLE, RIGHT? LOS MIGHT BE UPSIDE DOWN. YOU, UH, I SUGGEST THE PRE-CASE VERSUS OKLAHOMA, THE RETURN OF THE LAND TO THE TRIBE, CEASE AND DEIST. ITEM FOUR, THE AGREEMENT, THE DRAFT AGREEMENT, SECTION 60 MANAGEMENT AND USE PREMISES EXCLUDING ALL OF US. HOW DARE YOU? ONLY AT THE ALAMO DEFENDERS, WE ARE WITH THEM. WE'RE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS. A I T SHAME. WE DON'T HAVE INDIANS THAT GOING TO SECRET THEIR OWN THUMBS. RAMON VASQUEZ IS NOT DESCENDANTS. THE RECORDS ARE CLEARLY. WHERE'S RANDY BARNES RA? HE'S ALSO NOT RA LIKE ME. UH, SPANISH. THEY'RE SPANISH AGAIN. WE DON'T WANT THE THE CLOSING OR CROCKETT HOUSTON. NO TREES. ANG THE BUREAUS. NO, UH, PING MARKERS. COME ON. IT'S A CEMETERY. THE WHOLE SIDE, THE PLAZA, THE COMPOUND OF THE, OF THE SITE ITSELF. AND THE PLAZA WAS A CHURCH WHERE MY ANCESTORS WERE CONVERTED. YOU HAVE THE RECORDS AGAIN AND YOU STILL KEEP RECOGNIZING. 1730 CANARY ISLANDERS. COME ON. 30 OF OUR CHIEFS, OUR BREWERY, WE KNOW THEIR NAMES. YOU HAVE THE NAMES ARE REGIONAL. LAST TIME THE SANTOS SACRAMENTOS SINAN, IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, THIS IS A RICO AND I FINISH A CRIMINAL VIOLATION. YOU RACKETEERING ORGANIZED CRIME. THANK YOU, MR. PERRY. AND, AND TO ENCOURAGE TO SAY NO, THE SAN WOULD NOT BE MOVED. NOT EVEN HALF INCH. YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETE 300 PAGES OF THE REPORT. ONLY A 40 PAGE SLOPPY REPORT. SHAME ON CRIME AND HILDABRAND. THEY'RE JUST COLLECTING THE MONEY. THIS IS A CANNIBAL, CANNIBAL, DEVELOPERS CAT FAT DEVELOPMENT, NEW DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SIDE. THESE TWO LEFT NELSON WOLF AND A FINNISH AND PHIL BERGER. THEY'RE THE PROBLEM. THEY'RE THE ONES WE SUE THE CITY FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN 2014 TO CEASE DISEASE, TO PUT THE DAVID ALDERMAN FOR 10 FLOOR. UH, CONDOMINIUM ON TOP OF THE MATHIA IS GONE. GRACIE SANCHEZ BEFORE ME, SUE THE CITY TO STOP GREYSTAR TO DESTROY. THE BEGINNING OF THE EC IS GONE. THERE WAS RIOS THERE. UH, WHAT I PUT ADAM, WE HAVE THE ARCHEOLOGICAL REPORT. HERE'S, I THINK THE ARCHEOLOGICAL ARCHEOLOGY OF GLO. SHAME ON YOU AND SHAME ON YOU. ROGERS. YOU GOTTA BAD DEAL OF DEAD PEOPLE. SO TO FINISH, UH, THIS IS ARAN. LEGALLY UNDER NARA. YOU JUST SECRET. YOU KEEP THE SECRETING BODIES. 2015, AFTER I TALKED TO GEORGES CAR, I SAY, DON'T MOVE ON THIS, YOU A FORMER ESCO COMMISSIONER. YOU CANNOT DO THIS TO ME. HOW MUCH ARE THEY GONNA PAY YOU? I SAID, THEY'RE GONNA PAY YOU AT LEAST TWO, TWO, $3 MILLION. YEAH, THEY DID. BUT YOU DON'T DO THIS. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR SIDE OVER ANCESTORS. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS IRREVERSIBLE PERMANENT DAMAGE. THIS IS NOT MATTER OF WINNING. I'M THE ONE THAT STOP THE MOVE OF THE SANTA. I KNEW IT WILL, WE WILL PREVAIL FOR, FOR BOWIE, FOR CROCK, FOR TRAVIS. THEY DIE. THEY'RE PART OF OUR ANCESTORS TOO. SO AGAIN, LADIES, YOU AND LA LA LAND, HOW MANY OF YOUR ANCESTORS HAVE DIED FROM KOBE? SEVEN, EIGHT. I SAW YOU ALL HUGGING, SHAKING HANDS. HOW DARE YOU WITH THIS PANDEMIC. I'M FULL VACCINATED. I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE. AND SCIENCE IS GOD. SO AGAIN, AGAIN, WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU HAVE NOT CONSULTED WITH US. WHAT ABOUT DAVID? TYLER. TYLER FROM IRA. HE IS THE ENFORCER ON RA. THIS IS A BUREAU GRANT. I ALREADY TOLD HARBURGER, DON'T GET IN THE WAY. YOU ALREADY GET IN THE WAY AND FINISH. HE DID IT AT 20 YEARS AGO WITH PRODUCED ME IN THE HARBURGER AND HE'S THE ONE THAT BROUGHT SCHOOL AND ALL [02:10:01] THESE PEOPLE, $10 MILLION TO REMODEL THESE BUREAU TOOLS IN FERNANDO DID NOT EVEN HALF A MILLION. JUST HERE IS WHAT THEY DID 20 YEARS AGO. NOT IN THE HEART OF THE SECRET GUANO PLAZA. NO MATTER HOW GLORY PRESENTED AND CRAM HERE ON THIS PROJECT, THIS IS TOTALLY DISGRACEFUL. I HAVE GONE 10 YEARS 'CAUSE I KNEW THAT'S THAT'S HOW WHAT YOU WILL TAKE. I DON'T CARE. IT'S A BILLION DOLLARS. THIS PROJECT. THIS IS MY ANCESTORS CHAIRMAN'S, UH, MARTINEZ. OH, RON CAN TRACK HIS RECORDS LIKE MARY JANE. THREE, 400 YEARS. I'M SERIOUS. HE'S A LIAR. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. I DIDN'T GET TO SPEAK. I WANNA HAVE MY TIME NOT PROVE IT. MY NAME IS MARY JANE MARTINEZ. AS A CLAN MOTHER, I AM SOVEREIGNTY, CULTURAL AND TRIBAL AFFILIATION OF THE BODO NATION OF OUR PEOPLE'S ORIGINAL LANDS. I AM HERE AS A DIRECT LINE DESCENDANT DIPLOMATIC REPRESENTATIVE. HOW MANY OF YOU CAN SAY YOUR DIPLOMATIC REPRESENTATIVE? HOW MANY? NONE. RIGHT? BUT WE ARE OF OUR ORIGINAL FIRST PEOPLE OF THE MISSIONS OF THE ALAMO AND ALL THE MISSIONS HERE, WHICH USED TO BE TURTLE ISLAND, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH TURTLE ISLAND. AND SO WHO, WHO WERE HERE AND WHAT TODAY IS KNOWN AS SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. LONG BEFORE THE INVADING LAND, GRABBING EUROPEANS ARRIVE. WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING AT THE ALAMO IS CRIMINAL COLLUSION. ALL OF Y'ALL, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, AND I'M GLAD YOU WERE AGAINST MR. PERRY, I'M GLAD YOU WERE AGAINST THE OV WITH INTENT TO DISAPPEAR. OUR FIRST PEOPLE'S HUMAN REMAINS FROM THE SACRED NATIVE AMERICAN BURIAL GROUNDS. SO YOU CAN COMMERCIALLY DEVELOP, SET BURIAL GROUNDS FOR PROFIT VIA AS YOU DID IN 1994 WHEN YOU CLEARLY E THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CLEARLY DISAPPEARED. THE 37 HUMANE HUMAN REMAINS FROM THE ALAMO GROUNDS IN ONE SINGLE PLOT. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE THE 37 NATIVE AMERICAN HUMAN REMAINS ARE? DOES ANYBODY HERE? DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? IN 1994? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE FROM HERE AND YOU'RE THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE FROM THE ALAMO, FROM THE MISSIONS, YOU WOULD KNOW THIS. THEY'RE BURIED AT SAN FERNANDO OFF OF CASTROVILLE ROAD IN ONE PLOT THROWN, LIKE JUST THROWN IN THERE. I'M SURE IF OUR FAMILY MEMBERS PASSED AWAY WITH ALL THIS C O V, ARE WE JUST GONNA THROW THEM ALL IN? SHAME ON ALL OF Y'ALL. SHAME ON Y'ALL AGAIN TO YOU'RE NOT STOPPING ME AGAIN. TO DECLARE IT IS NOT A CEMETERY. AND THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING, MAYOR. THANK YOU MS. MARTINEZ. IF YOU HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS, YOU CAN SUBMIT THEM TO THE COUNCIL. WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED WELL, OUR PARTNER AND WE'LL, Y'ALL RESPECTED MS. MARTINEZ, PLEASE GIVE US THE RESPECT WE WE GAVE YOU WAY MORE TIME ALREADY. IF YOU HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS, YOU CAN, WE CAN GET THEM TO THE CLERK AND THEY'LL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CALL. IT IS THE DE DEFRAUDING IDENTITY THAT OF OUR FIRST ORIGINAL NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND IN WHICH SPIRITS WILL BE DISTURBED DUE TO SUCH HORRIFIC GREED AGAINST OUR ANCESTORS REMAINS. MS. VIAGRA, MS. MARTINEZ. TODAY I AM HERE AS SOVEREIGN AND SELF-DETERMINATION TO SPEAK FOR OUR ANCESTORS AND EXERCISE, MAINTAIN EXPLICIT [02:15:01] OF THE NATION AND REMINDING CITY MAYOR, CITY ATTORNEYS MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, CITY COUNCIL, Y'ALL ARE IN VIOLATION OF OUR FILINGS AND THE GREETINGS, THE GUADALUPE ALGO ARTICLE SEVEN AND NINE AND 1979 NARA, NATIVE AMERICAN GRACE PROTECTION OF REPARATIONS ACT THAT THIS NATION HAS ALSO TREATED AND TOTALLY DISHONORING 500 OTHER TREATIES THAT HAVE DECLARED OPEN SEASON ON THE GRAVE ROBBING OF OUR SACRED ANCESTORS, BURIAL GROUND, TREAT THEM LIKE ROAD HILL IS WHAT THEY DID. FURTHERMORE, THE WORLD HERITAGE NOMINATION, , THEN YOU WOULD REMEMBER WHO I WAS. I SAT ON THE WORKING COMMITTEE AND YOU ALL JUST IGNORED US. YOU TOOK OUR FAMILY'S HISTORY AND YOU GUYS TOOK OFF. DON'T LEFT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT US, NO ONE CAME BACK TO THANK THE FAMILIES, THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE. MS. MARTINEZ, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS. NOW. COMBINATION IS BROUGHT UPON THE COURT BECAUSE THE MAMMOGRAMS REST UPON A BLOOD PART OF BATTLEFIELD, MORE THAN 1400 METICULOUSLY DOCUMENTED HISTORICAL BURIAL SITES. AND I'M CLOSING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'M, I'M STOPPING. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT RESPECT. BUT MAY THE SPIRITS, AND YOU REMEMBER MY WORDS. I AM FROM THE BODO NATION AND I SPEAK FOR MY PEOPLE. MAY THE SPIRIT OF OUR ANCESTORS HAUNT YOU ALL FOR THE DESECRATION OF OUR SACRED BURIAL GROUNDS. MAY IT HAUNT YOU ALL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER DURING THE RED MOON, WE HAD A MEDICINE MAN THAT CAME OUT HERE AND HE DID THE DANZA ON THE RED MOON. AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? THE TWO MEN THAT WERE EXCAVATING FELL IN THE HOLE. AND YOU KNOW WHY THAT IS? BECAUSE IT WAS SACRED GROUNDS. AND YOU ALL, IT SHOULD BE A SHAME OF YOURSELVES IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND Y'ALL ARE FROM HERE. COME ON. THIS IS OUR HISTORY. WHY ARE YOU WANTING TO EX EXCAVATE AND REMOVE HUMAN REMAINS THAT BELONG WHERE THEY'RE AT? I'M SURE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO TO A CEMETERY AND REMOVE WHATEVER'S THERE. THANK YOU, MS. MARTINEZ. JUSTIN, YOU CAN BUILD COMMERCIAL. THANK YOU MS. MARTINEZ. ALL RIGHT, RON ROCHA. MR. ROCHA, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, OKAY? I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU'VE , BUT I NEED EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND. THERE ARE THREE MINUTES FOR INDIVIDUALS AND NINE MINUTES FOR GROUPS. SO MR. ROCHA, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY FIDEL CASTILLO. MAY I MAKE A VERY SHORT COMMENT BEFORE I START? SPEAK LOUDER. SPEAK LOUDER. MAY I? YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, MR. MOGO? MAY, MAY I MAKE A VERY SHORT COMMENT BEFORE I START? YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I APPEALED TO YOUR MORAL ETHICS, YOUR PROFESSIONAL ETHICS, AND TO YOUR EDUCATION. YOUR PRESENTER MADE A PRESENTATION WELL OVER A HALF AN HOUR, AND YOU GIVE ME THREE MINUTES TO DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF MY PEOPLE. I ASK NO MORE THAN THE TIME THAT YOU ALLOWED, UH, HARBERGER AND WOLF TO SPEAK. I THINK THAT THAT IS EQUAL. GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS MR. ROCHA. I AM A DIRECT, MY NAME IS RONALD ROCHA AND JACQUELINE MOYA. WE ARE DIRECT LINEAL DESCENDANTS OF THE SELITA. I MEAN S MAITA GAR CLAN, THE FIRST MISSION INDIANS WHO BUILT THE FIRST MISSION IN MEIR, MEXICO AND IN ROMA, TEXAS. OUR ANCESTORS FOUNDED ROMA. WE ARE FROM THE RERA FAMILY HERE IN TOWN THAT Y'ALL KNOW. AND FROM, UH, UH, HENDRA, THE ANNOUNCER'S FAMILY. WE ARE NATIVE, UM, WE ARE NATIVE AMERICAN. WE HAVE TO PROVE NOTHING TO NOBODY. UNLIKE RAMON VASQUEZ THAT YOU CONSULT AND YOU TOLD ME WE ONLY CONSULT WITH A I T HE IS NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN. I CAME TO YOU. I HAVE BEEN TO YOUR OFFICE EVERY MONTH FOR FIVE YEARS REQUESTING MY NATIVE AMERICAN CONSULTATION. YOU HAVE NOT AS MUCH HAS GIVEN ME THE COURTESY OF A PHONE CALL. [02:20:02] AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT AS MARLON BRANDO STATED, WHEN HE REFUSES OSCAR, WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND THE FILM INDUSTRY HAS DONE TO THE NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS CRIMINAL. WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING IS NO LESS CRIMINAL THAN WHAT THE NAZIS DID TO THE UH, UH, JEWS. YOU ARE EXTERMINATING THE HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT OF OUR PEOPLE WHO FOUNDED SAN ANTONIO SO THAT YOU CAN LIE TO THE WORLD THAT THE CANARY ISLANDERS FOUNDED IT. ALL THEY DID IS COMMERCIALLY DEVELOP IT. THAT'S IT. FURTHERMORE, BY REMOVING THE GRAVES FROM THE ALAMO, YOU ARE ERASING OUR ANTHROPOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT, ERASING OUR EXISTENCE THAT WE EXIST AS A PEOPLE. AND FURTHERMORE, I'M GOING TO ADVISE YOU THAT THE WORD MIKA, AS IN NON CORTES JOURNALS WHEN HE ARRIVED, IDENTIFIED THEM AS SHIKA AS THE NATIVE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY. THE SPANIARDS CALLED THEM MENO. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT EVERY MEXICAN IS A NATIVE AMERICAN THAT IS THE DEFRAUDING OF THE IDENTITY OF OUR PEOPLE BY ERASING OUR ANTHROPOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA TELL YOUR GRANDCHILDREN AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN? WE'RE NOT MEXICANS. WE'RE LATINOS, WE'RE HISPANICS FROM A COUNTRY THAT DOES NOT EXIST ON A MAP. THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING. MS. MOYA, ARE YOU ALSO SIGN, YOU'RE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, CORRECT? SHE'S GOING TO GIMME HER MINUTES. I'M GONNA GIVE HIM MY MINUTES. OKAY, GO AHEAD. AND I'M NOT GONNA CUT YOU OFF MR. ROCHA, BUT PLEASE, UH, AGAIN, WE DO HAVE MANY CITIZENS WHO WANNA SIGN UP TO SPEAK. OKAY? WHAT THIS HAS DONE TO OUR PEOPLE IS THAT WESTERN WILL EXPANSION, WHAT WAS IT? THE TAKEOVER OF MEXICO. ALL THE INDIANS THAT WERE ON WESTWARD EXPANSION, WHERE ARE THEY? THEY'RE ON RESERVATIONS IN OKLAHOMA. AND THEY WILL NOT ADMIT THAT THEY ARE MEXICAN. THEY ARE ALL MEXICAN. THEY ALL SPEAK FROM THE TREE OF, FROM THE ROOT OF THE LANGUAGES OF THE OMEKA LANGUAGE. ALL NORTHERN TRIBES, THEY'RE ALL MEXICAN. WE ARE DENIED THIS. BY YOU ERASING THOSE GRAVES, YOU ARE DENYING YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN AND MY GRANDCHILDREN THAT RIGHT TO CLAIM THAT WE ARE NATIVE AMERICAN AND ERASING OUR, OUR POSSIBILITIES OF CLAIMING THAT WITH THE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS AND IT'S MANED BY VERY FEW PEOPLE, THE CRIMES HERE THAT ARE BEING COMMITTED ARE THE WORST CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY OF ETHNICIZED. YOU ARE ERASING THE IDENTITY OF OUR PEOPLE, THE MEXICAN FROM SAN ANTONIO, CALLING HIM LATINO AND HISPANIC, AND NOW WE'RE BEING ELEVATED TO LATINX. THIS IS WHAT THIS ACHIEVES. WOULD YOU DO THIS TO GETTYSBURG BATTLEFIELD? NO, YOU WOULDN'T. AND IT IS A S SLAVE BLOOD CARPETED BATTLEFIELD, JUST LIKE THE ALAMO, WHERE THE TREASONOUS TEXAS MEXICAN CITIZENS WHO ABANDONED THEIR THEIR AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP TO BECOME MEXICANS TURNED THEIR BACK AND COMMITTED TREASON AGAINST MEXICAN. AND THAT'S WHY THE BATTLE WAS FOUGHT HERE. IT'S A HISTORICAL BATTLEFIELD. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS DOCUMENTED ALL OF THE GRAVES THERE. YET YOU WISH TO HANDLE THESE AND YOU'RE TURNING THEM OVER TO RAMON VASQUEZ. THAT IS NOT A NATIVE A A AMERICAN. HOW MUCH MONIES HAS THE CITY AWARDED THEIR GROUP A I T IN GRANTS? WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR INDIANS THAT WORK WITH YOU, THAT ONLY YOU CONSULT? YOU TOTALLY EXCLUDE US. YOU DO NOT INCLUDE US. WE WANT TO SIT ON THIS BOARD. WE DEMAND THAT WE SIT ON THIS BOARD. WE AS A GROUP, ALL WHO SPOKE HERE WITH THE NATIVE AMERICAN NATION'S COUNCIL, APPEAR ON THE WORLD HERITAGE INSCRIPTION. RAMON AND HIS GROUP ARE NOT THERE. WILL YOU GIVE US THAT? RIGHT? WE DEMAND OUR PLACE. MY GRANDMOTHER, MARIA LATI HERANDEZ APPEARS ON THE BOOK 300 FAMOUS TEXAS WOMEN. IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, SHE STATES, WE MUST RECLAIM OUR INDIGENOUS ROOTS. SHE ALSO FOUNDED LULAC. NONE OF Y'ALL KNOW WHO SHE IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION DOES. IT DOWN DUMBS US. IT DOWNS DUMBS THE MEXICAN TO BELIEVE HE'S LATINO AND HISPANIC HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH THE HISTORY. YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO IT. THANK YOU MR. ROCHA. [02:25:01] THANK YOU MS. MOYA. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE NOW TO FIDEL CASTILLO. IS MR. CASTILLO HERE? I DON'T SEE HIM. ALRIGHT. UH, ERNEST MOYA, HE HAS TO BE PRESENT IN ORDER TO SEAT HIS TIME. UM, IS ERNEST MOYA HERE? OBJECTION. OKAY. OBJECT. MOYA. UH, LUIS PERRA. LUIS PERRA. JACK FINGER. MR. FINGER, YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY DON DIXON. MR. FINGER, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU KNOW THOSE RULES? WELL, MR. MAYOR HART BERGER? NO, NO. MR. MAYOR , UH, ROD NIERENBERG AND OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR ILLUSTRIOUS SAN CITY COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JACK INGER. AND MR. MAYOR, THEY'RE, IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHY THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS WERE ABUSING THEIR TIME , IT'S ONLY BECAUSE YOU ALLOWED HARDBERGER AND CISNEROS AND WOLF TO TO UNLIMITED TIME AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN SIGN UP. TO MY KNOWLEDGE. . YES. ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PLAN, YOU SAY THE ALAMO WAS HOLLOWED GROUND. WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT, MR. MAYOR, TO 20, 30 MILLION TEXANS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. BUT IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. AT LEAST NOT, NOT MOST OF YOU ANYWAY. I MEAN, IF YOU DID BELIEVE IN IT, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE NOT, UH, TRIED MOVING THE CAF AS YOU TRIED TO DO TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REAL TRAVESTY WHEN THE ONLY TIME CITIZENS HAVE A VICTORY IS WHEN THEY DEFEAT. YOU GUYS ARE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, AND EVEN THEN, ONLY BY GOING OVER YOUR HEAD WITH THE STATE COMING DOWN AND SAYING, NO, NO. SO WHAT, SO, AND THEN THE, THE PROCESS, THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU HAD, THAT THEY SUPPOSEDLY HAD A, A SHAM OF A PUBLIC HEARING THAT ONLY HAPPENED IF YOU HAD A COMPUTER AND ONLY VIRTUALLY. AND IT'S EVEN THEN THAT IT IS OBVIOUS THEY WEREN'T LISTENING TO, TO THE CITIZENS. SO WHAT'S, WHAT IS WRONG WITH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, MR. UZ, YOUR MAN. SCROLL DOWN TO THE BOTTOM STAR THERE IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN READ IT THERE. I DUNNO IF IT'S LITTLE BLURRY THERE. YEAH, JUST, JUST, JUST KNOW THAT'S ABOUT, UH, THE CLOSURE OF THE STREETS THERE. THAT THIS IS YOUR VERY OWN DOCUMENT THERE. HARD TO SEE. IT'S STILL STILL KIND OF WASHED OUT, BUT IT JUST KNOW THAT IT SAYS CLO CLOSING ALAMO STREET. OKAY. RE RETURN THE CAMERA TO, TO THE MICROPHONE IF YOU WOULD. YEAH. RETURN THE CAMERA TO THE MICROPHONE. UH, THE, I'M SORRY. DO YOU REALIZE THE ALAMO IS NOT A TALL BUILDING? PEOPLE CANNOT SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE. NO. THAT'S WHY THEY, YOU NEED ALAMO STREET TO HAVE VISITORS DRIVE BY IT, BECOME INSPIRED TO SEE IT AND PARK THEIR CARS AND WANNA WALK TO IT. THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO KEEP AAM STREET OPEN. THE, AND THEN THE, UH, THE, THE PUBLIC, THE THE FIRST AMENDMENT AREAS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, 5,800 FEET SOUTH OF THE ALAMO. I'M SORRY, THAT'S A JOKE TOO. NO, I'M, WE DON'T, AND THOSE WHO WANT TO HAVE CEREMONIES AND SO FORTH, COMMEMORATIONS AND SO FORTH IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO ON MAINE PLAZA, THEY CAN'T DO IT. THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T EVEN DO IT NEAR THE CENTER. TAFT, WHO'S GONNA DECIDE WHO HAS WHAT? CEREMONIES WHERE THERE HUH? THE, THE, THE GATHERING PLACE AND BACK OF THE ALAMO. WELL, THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S THE CROCK THAT IT IS AS WELL. NO, I'M SORRY. THE TOO MANY DEFECTS WITH THIS. PLEASE SCOTCH IT. OPEN UP ALLEN THE STREET AND LOOSEN UP THE FIRST AMENDMENT AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FINGER. ALRIGHT. DON DIXON. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL. MY NAME IS DON DIXON. I'M REPRESENTING MYSELF. AND THERE'S A FLAW IN THIS PLAN THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT. AS SOMEONE SAID, I THINK IT WAS, UH, MAYOR HARBURG. WE ALL LOVE THE ALAMO AND WE DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD HARM THE ALAMO, BUT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY. IN 1994, THE CITY TRIED TO CLOSE SOME STREETS IN, IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO, AND THE DAUGHTERS HIRED SAM DERELL A LOCAL ATTORNEY, TO REPRESENT THEM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DID NOT CLOSE STREETS IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO. BECAUSE HE SAID IN HIS TESTIMONY OR IN HIS PRESENTATION TO THE CO COUNCIL, IS THAT THE DAUGHTERS [02:30:01] DEPEND UPON ACCESS AND VISIBILITY IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME BUY GIFTS. AND THEN THAT'S THE WAY THEY SUPPORT THE, THE SUPPORT OF THE ALAMO. SO IN CLOSING THE STREETS, YOU REALLY HURT THE ALAMO PEOPLE, IN ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE ARCHITECTS THAT THAT MADE THE PRESENTATION, HAVING A A WALKABLE SPACE DOESN'T FLY REALLY WELL IN SAN ANTONIO WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES. PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO SEE THE ALAMO, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO DRIVE BY AND SEE IT. THEN COME AND THEN LEARN THE HISTORY ABOUT THE, THE FREEDOM THAT THESE, UH, HEROES FOUGHT TO GET, UH, THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS. SO MAKE SURE WE ALL LOVE THE ALAMO AND WE WANT TO WANT THIS PLAN TO BE RIGHT. BUT FOR THE PLAN TO BE RIGHT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS AND THE VISIBILITY TO THE ALAMO BY LEAVING ALL THE STREETS OPEN SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO THE ALAMO AND, AND SEE IT. AND THEN ALSO MAKE SURE, NOW SOMEONE REFERENCED THE THE FREE SPEECH AREA. WE MUST HAVE THE FREE SPEECH AREA RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO AS IT HAS BEEN FOR ALL THOSE MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. IF YOU HAVE FREE SPEECH, IT'S GOTTA BE JUST LIKE THEY DID IN 1936 WHEN F D R CAME IN, IN HIS LIMOUSINE AND SPOKE 10 FEET IN FRONT OF THE DOOR OF THE ALAMO. AND WHEN REAGAN CAME IN 1980 AND SPOKE HIS PRESIDENT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ALSO. SO MAKE SURE IN YOUR PLAN WITH THE STATE THAT THESE TWO, THESE ITEMS ARE PROTECTED. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. DIXON. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GET NOW INTO THE COUNCIL CONVERSATION. SO WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GRO. THANK YOU MAYOR VERY MUCH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT HERE AND, UM, MAKING THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UH, FIRST WE ARE AT A MOMENT AND ERIC KRAMER WITH, UH, MADE THAT STATEMENT ABOUT THE DELINEATION WHEN HE WAS GIVING HIS PRESENTATION. BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT TODAY AS A DEC THE DECISION THAT WE HAVE AT HAND. THIS IS A MOMENT OF TRANSITION, AND I NEED TO GIVE BIG THANKS TO ALL OF THE MEMBERS AND THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS PROCESS, WHO HAVE WANTED TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS, WORKING TOGETHER COLLABORATIVELY AND MOVE THIS FORWARD. I'D LIKE TO THANK, UM, FRANCISCO GOMA, WHO HAS BEEN OUR GREAT FACILITATOR AND HAS HELPED US KEEP THE MAIN THING, THE MAIN THING, UM, IN OUR MEETINGS. THANK YOU MAYOR, FOR THE APPOINTMENT TO SERVE AND THE WILLINGNESS TO GIVE ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND WORK IN THIS CAPACITY. THANK YOU TO LORI HOUSTON AND, UH, FOR HER DILIGENCE AND HER WORK AND FOR TAKING DIRECTION FROM ALL OF US. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU TO ANDY SEGOVIA, WHO AS A NATIVE SAN ANTONIAN, THIS IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TO YOU AS TO EVERYBODY ELSE. I HAVE TO THANK OUR TEAM, UH, MY SUPPORT TEAM. THANK YOU KELLY ALCOSER, UH, ON MY TEAM, WHO I TAPPED TO HELP ME WITH THIS AS WE MANEUVERED THROUGH THIS. SHE HERSELF AS A DESCENDANT FROM THE INDIGENOUS FAMILIES AT MISSION SAN JOSE. AND THANK YOU TOO TO RAYA ROBERTS WHO HAS BEEN THERE SUPPORTING ALL OF US AT ALL OF THE MEETINGS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. APPRECIATE THAT. TODAY, SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A NEW LEASE AGREEMENT THAT WILL INCORPORATE THE LATEST DESIGN CONCEPTS FOR THE ALAMO PLAN. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN MOVING THE ALAMO PLAN FORWARD, AND IS AS A PIVOTAL MOMENT FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE STATE OF TEXAS STEPPING INTO THIS ROLE AS TRI CHAIR OF THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE ALAMO MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE ON MARCH 1ST. I'VE TAKEN THIS RESET PRO, I'VE TAKEN THIS RESET, WE'VE TAKEN IT TOGETHER, RESET THE PROCESS AND REBUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE REBUILDING OF RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN PARAMOUNT. TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER TRI CHAIRS, THE INCOMPARABLE ANETTE PIERCE AND SUE ANN PEMBERTON AND OUR FACILITATOR, FRANCISCO GO GIMA. WE SET OUT A COURSE OF ACTION AND FOR SEVERAL WEEKS WE LED AND NAVIGATED COLLABORATIVE MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TRANSPARENT WITH THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, TO PROPOSE AN ARRANGEMENT, AN AGREEMENT THAT REFLECTS MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY'S IDEA, [02:35:01] MANY OF OUR COMMUNITY'S IDEAS. I WANTED TO SAY THAT AGAIN. I ONE THING, UH, LORI, I WANTED TO YOU TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REBUILDING RELATIONSHIPS AND REESTABLISHING RELATIONSHIPS, UM, ABOUT THE COLLECTIONS BUILDING. UM, JUST YESTERDAY I WANTED TO ALSO NOTE THAT YOU WENT UP AND, UH, GAVE A BRIEFING ABOUT THIS PLAN TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. UM, IT WAS JUST A BRIEFING IN ORDER TO REESTABLISH RELATIONSHIPS OF HOW WE ARE MOVING FORWARD FROM HERE. THAT MEETING, UH, WE MADE SURE THAT WE LET OUR ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS KNOW THAT IT WAS TAKING PLACE. THEY HAD THE LINK IN ORDER TO WATCH IT IF THEY WANTED TO. AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INVITING KATE ROGERS TO COME AND, UH, BRIEF THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THIS COLLECTIONS BUILDING SO WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN JUST KNOW WHAT, WHERE WE'RE GOING AND HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TO REBUILD AND REESTABLISH RELATIONSHIPS AS A NATIVE SAN ANTONIAN AND HERITAGE TO DEFENDER THE HANNO DEFENDER TORI SOYA. THIS ROLE IS SPECIAL, PERSONAL, CRITICAL, AND I TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. THIS PROJECT IS A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THE WHOLE STORY OF THE ALAMO WHILE ELEVATING A WORLD-CLASS EXPERIENCE FOR VISITORS AND RESIDENTS ALIKE. AND I'M ENSURING THAT THE PLAZA WILL BE KEPT OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN THAT CONNECTIVITY AND THE SITE WILL ALLOW FOR A SENSE OF ARRIVAL. IN ADDITION, THIS EXPANSION OF THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE OF THE ALAMO WILL CONNECT TO OUR OTHER VERY IMPORTANT HISTORIC SITES THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO TO TELL THE WHOLE STORY. AND THAT IS TO CONNECT TO OUR FOUR OTHER MISSIONS SOUTH OF SAN ANTONIO. CONNECT TO LATA CONNECT TO THE FIRST SITE, THE TWO FIRST TWO SITES OF THE ALAMO CONNECT TO SAN FERNANDO CATHEDRAL THAT WAS ESTABLISHED EVEN BEFORE THE BATTLE OF 1836. THE PROPOSED ALAMO PLAN MAINTAINS THAT THE WORLD WOOLWORTH AND CROCKETT BUILDING WILL BE REPURPOSED AND PLANS TO CONTINUE TO USE THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES MOVING FORWARD. THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT INCLUDE CONVERSATIONS FROM THE 1994 PLAN TO 2 20 14. I ALSO WANTED TO, UH, MAKE MENTION TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTERS THAT HAVE COME BACK AND SENT LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND LETTERS, UH, THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER THROUGH THIS. JUST LIKE THE ALAMO, THIS PROJECT, ALL OF THIS PROJECT AND PROCESS DID NOT BELONG TO ONE PERSON. THIS IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, AND ONCE AGAIN, SAN ANTONIO AND OUR STAKEHOLDERS ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE OUR LEGACY AND THE STORY OF SO MANY IS TOLD THE WORK IS NOT OVER. AND WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS AGREEMENT, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS ARCHIVAL INVESTIGATION AND REGROUP WITH OUR ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN. AND I THANK THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I WANNA THANK THEM FOR STEPPING FORWARD TO COMMITTING TO RECALIBRATE THIS PROCESS. I WANNA THANK THEM FOR WELCOMING ME AND THE OTHER CO-CHAIRS TO JUMP IN TO HAVE THESE CRITICAL CONVERSATIONS AND TO GET TO AN EVEN BETTER PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES OUR LOCAL TRIBAL COMMUNITIES. THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH THE CITY'S MANAGER OFFICE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE UPDATES THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION. I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES CAN SEE THAT WE TOOK YOUR CONCERNS, YOUR QUESTIONS, WE IMPLEMENTED THEM IN THIS LEASE AGREEMENT. WE'RE AT THIS PIVOTAL MOMENT, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REMAINDER OF YOUR QUESTIONS. BUT WITH THAT, MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GRO. UH, WE MOVE NOW TO COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY COMMENDING THE EFFORT OF SO MANY PEOPLE WHO'VE WORKED ON THIS FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, INCLUDING COUNCILMAN TREVINO, WHO DEDICATED SEVERAL YEARS OF HIS SERVICE ON THE COUNCIL TO TRYING TO COME UP WITH A, A PLAN THAT WOULD, UH, HELP TO RESTORE, MAINTAIN, AND PROMOTE, UH, THE ALAMO. UH, I WANT TO THANK, UH, REALLY COUNCILWOMAN ILLA GRANT FOR THE LEADERSHIP SHE HAS PROVIDED OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, UH, THAT I THINK HAS HELPED TURN THE CORNER. UH, [02:40:01] DEFINITELY, UH, HER AND THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE DESIGN TEAM HAVE, I THINK, PUT TOGETHER A VERY WORTHY PLAN FOR THIS COUNCIL TO SUPPORT. UH, AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE NEW PROPO PROPOSED PLAN. I BELIEVE IT, IT HONORS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED YEARS AGO, AND IT HONORS THE FIRST PEOPLES WHO'VE LIVED AND WORKED AND DEVELOPED SAN ANTONIO, UH, FOR CENTURIES. YOU KNOW, UH, I'M A FORMER HISTORY TEACHER AND FOR MANY YEARS I TOOK LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS THROUGH THE ALAMO. AND IT, I ALWAYS CONSIDERED A GREAT EXPERIENCE. AND I WAS ALWAYS SURPRISED THOUGH WHEN I HEARD THAT OTHER PEOPLE WOULD COME TO SAN ANTONIO AND THEY'D WALK THROUGH THE CHAPEL AND THEY'D WALK THROUGH THE GROUNDS AND THEY'D SAY, WELL, IS THAT ALL THERE IS? BUT I CAME TO RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PEOPLE EXPECT MORE AND MAYBE THEY DESERVE MORE. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, I'VE BEEN A REAL ADVOCATE FOR RESTORING AND MAINTAINING THE CHAPEL AND THE LONG BARREN BARRACKS AND ENHANCING THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE. I THINK A BIG PART OF THE FUTURE EXPERIENCE AND, AND THE HISTORY LESSON THAT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE ALAMO IS GOING TO COME TO FRUITION THROUGH A MUSEUM. AND I'VE STRONGLY SUPPORTED THE IDEA OF HAVING A MUSEUM. I'VE ALSO SUPPORTING THE IDEA OF KEEPING THE CENTER TAF WHERE IT IS. I'VE ALSO, UH, SUPPORTED THE ALAMO PLAZA REMAINING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WITH UNOBSTRUCTED ACCESS. I'VE SUPPORTED THE CONTINUATION OF THE PARADES AND THE TRADITIONS THAT I THINK ALL SAN ANTONIO'S HONOR AND REGARD AS PART OF OUR HERITAGE. UH, AND I THINK ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE BEING WELL SERVED WITH THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US TODAY. IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT IN THE MINDS OF EVERYBODY, AND THERE CERTAINLY MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL FACTORS THAT WE LOOK AT AND CONSIDER OVER TIME. UH, I DON'T THINK THIS IS SET IN STONE TO WHERE WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE. BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY AN IMPORTANT STEP FORWARD. AND NOT JUST A STEP, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY KICKING OFF THE, THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND THAT WILL BE DONE, THAT'S GOING TO BRING US TO WHERE WE ALL WANT THE, THE ALAMO TO BE AND WHERE WE WANT THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO TO BE. SO I FEEL REAL GOOD ABOUT EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD TODAY. ONE THING THAT I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT, AND, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN MENTIONED, AND THAT IS THE SENATE TAF. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO AND A YEAR AGO, AND YOU KNOW, EVEN SHORTER PERIOD THAN THAT, THE CRY, UH, LET'S SAVE THE SENATE HALF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE HEARD THAT THOUSANDS OF TEXANS WERE WRITING THEIR LEGISLATOR AND WRITING US HERE SAYING, SAVE THE SENATE. WELL, WE'RE SAVING THE SENATE. BUT NOW I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PRESERVE THE SENATE. AND BY THAT, I RECOGNIZE WE DON'T HAVE A FINANCIAL PLAN YET AND THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ONE. BUT I SUGGESTED TO COUNCILWOMAN VERAN THAT WE INITIATE A CITYWIDE EFFORT, A STATEWIDE EFFORT, TO HAVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO SAID, LET'S GO AHEAD AND SAVE THE SENATE TAF, LET'S HAVE THEM HELP PRESERVE THE SENATE TAF BY SENDING FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN RESTORE AND MAINTAIN THAT CENTER TAFT, JUST LIKE WE'RE GOING TO DO THE ALAMO. SO THAT'S MY ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOUR COMMITTEE, UH, WORK ON AND THAT THE G L O WORK ON AND THAT THE PUBLIC IN TEXAS ACCEPT THAT CHALLENGE. AND IT'S NOT TO TRY AND TAKE ANY MONEY AWAY FROM, UH, THE TRUST THAT'S WORKING TO RAISE MONEY, UH, FOR THE MUSEUM AND THE OTHER, UH, ENHANCEMENTS. BUT IT'S TO FOCUS ON THE ONE ISSUE THAT WAS A RALLYING POINT THAT BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AND THAT IS TO, UH, SAVE THE SENATE TAF AND PRESERVE THE SENATE TAF. SO I JUST WANTED TO FINISH OFF WITH THAT COMMENT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, AND THANK YOU MAYOR HARDBERGER FOR YOUR KIND WORDS. UH, I APPRECIATE THE WORK OF COUNCIL MEMBER VRAN OVER THE RECENT MONTHS IN THE EFFORT TO GET US HERE TODAY. I CAN COMPLETELY RELATE TO THE HARD WORK, THIS PROJECT AND ITS STAKEHOLDERS DEMAND. [02:45:01] I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, MANY OF WHOM HAVE BEEN INVESTED IN THIS PROJECT FOR MANY YEARS. I SUPPORT THE DIRECTION THE DESIGN IS GOING, THE CHANGES WE HAVE THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, WE KNEW AS A RESULT OF THE DENIAL OF THE PERMIT REQUEST BY T H C, THE DESIGN WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE. HOWEVER, I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT LEAVE ME UNEASY. AFTER ALL, WE ARE MAKING A 100 YEAR DECISION. I WANNA BE CLEAR, I SUPPORT THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING ON THE DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT, BUT I DO NOT WANT THE FACT THAT WE ARE VOTING ON A 100 YEAR LEASE TO BE OBSCURED BY DISCUSSIONS OF DESIGN. MY ISSUE IS WITH THE TERMS OF THE AMENDED LEASE. WHAT IS THE RUSH TO APPROVE THIS ITEM? TODAY WE ARE VOTING ON AMENDING THE LEASE AGREEMENT AND OPERATING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE G L O THAT FACILITATES THE INCORPORATION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE REVISED ALAMO PLAN. GIVEN A DECISION OF THIS IMPORTANCE, WHY THEN WAS THE AMENDED AND RESTATED GROUND LEASE ONLY PROVIDED TO THIS COUNCIL AFTERNOON ON MONDAY, LESS THAN 72 HOURS BEFORE COUNCIL WAS SCHEDULED TO VOTE ON THIS ITEM. THIS IS ARGUABLY THE CITY'S HIGHEST PROFILE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT, AND YET WE ARE NOT GIVEN ENOUGH TIME TO PROPERLY REVIEW THE ACTUAL LEASE. ADDITIONALLY, A RED LINE COPY OF THE LEASE THAT WAS REQUESTED AND PROMISED AT B SESSION LAST WEEK WAS NOT PROVIDED UNTIL YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AFTER 2:00 PM WHILE WE WERE IN B SESSION. THIS DOES NOT GIVE US AND OUR STAFFS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MATERIALS AND UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT MY COLLEAGUES, BUT I FIND THESE DETAILS TROUBLING. I STILL COME BACK TO THE NOTION THAT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION THAT WILL BIND US FOR 100 YEARS. YOU HAVE YET TO BE PROVIDED A BREAKDOWN AS TO HOW SOME OF OUR $38 MILLION INVESTMENT HAS AND WILL BE SPENT. PART OF THE $38 MILLION PROJECT BUDGET WAS ORIGINALLY EARMARKED FOR CONSTRUCTION ON LAS SOYA STREET TO CONVERT IT TO A TWO-WAY TRAFFIC TO COMPENSATE THE CLOSURE OF ALAMO STREET. AS A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, I HAVE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT CAN SIGNIFICANTLY EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT WITHOUT EXPANDING THE BUDGET. HOW CAN WE TAKE ON THE ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL BURDEN OF IMPROVING THE PLAZA WITHOUT ADDING TO THE PROJECT BUDGET? IN THIS CASE, IT'S BY OMITTING LOYA STREET FROM THE PROJECT. SO BY USING THOSE FUNDS FOR THE PLAZA CONSTRUCTION, NOT LOYA STREET, WE ARE WITHIN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE SHRUNK THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. TO ME, THE SMACKS OF ABATE AND SWITCH THESE CHANGES WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT AREA BUSINESSES. THE MAGNITUDE OF THESE EFFECTS ARE UNKNOWN, ESPECIALLY DUE TO THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS CAUSED BY THE PREMATURE CLOSURE OF ALAMO STREET. AS MENTIONED, LA SOYA STREET WAS ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE AND BUDGET OF THE PROJECT AND WAS INTENDED TO BE IN THE FIRST PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION TO CREATE A NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC FLOW. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE THOROUGH TRAFFIC MODELING DONE BY P DAWSON SHOWING THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS AS A RESULT OF CLOSING SOUTH ALAMO STREET AND THE NEED TO TURN LA SOYA INTO A TWO-WAY STREET. AS A RESULT OF THE TRAFFIC MODELING CHANGES TO THE STREETS, A LOT OF TIME CARE AND THOUGHTFULNESS WAS SPENT TO ENSURE THE AFFECTED BUSINESSES WERE INCLUDED IN THE PLANNING EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND MINIMIZE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THEM. WITH THE PROPOSED JUNE 1ST CLOSURE OF ALAMO STREET, MY FEAR IS THERE IS NO PLAN TO ENSURE ALREADY SUFFERING. DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES CAN ENSURE, CAN RECEIVE DELIVERIES SO THEY CAN OPERATE. LAST WEEK, SEVERAL OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES VOICED A VARIETY OF CONCERNS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FULLY ADDRESSED. HOW CAN WE GUARANTEE THE PROGRAMMING IN THE PLAZA WILL BE ALIGNMENT WITH THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS LEASE? WE DO NOT HAVE THOSE ASSURANCES. THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT SPACE. IF WE CONTROL OUR OWN PROPERTY, WE CAN SET THOSE RULES THAT WILL WORK BEST FOR US. THE 250 MILLION TO TWO $300 MILLION IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN THIS PROJECT HAS NOT AND WILL NOT BE RAISED. THIS IS WELL OVER HALF OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COSTS WITH NO ASSURANCES THAT A MUSEUM WILL EVEN BE BUILT. THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT IS NO LONGER $450 MILLION. IT'S MUCH LESS AS OF THIS MORNING, THERE HAVE BEEN NO BILLS BROUGHT, BROUGHT FORTH THIS TO THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT WILL FUND A MUSEUM. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT HAS PASSED THE DEADLINE TO FILE BILLS EFFECTIVELY ENSURING THAT STATE DOLLARS PROMISED BY THE LIEUTENANT [02:50:01] GOVERNOR WILL NOT MATERIALIZE LEAVING THE PROJECT WITHOUT A WORLD CLASS MUSEUM. WE WERE PROMISED THE WHAT IF THE STATE FAILS TO EXECUTE ITS RESPONSIBILITIES ENUMERATING THE LEASE QUESTIONS HAVE NEVER BEEN FULLY ANSWERED. EVEN WITH A DATE SPECIFIC IN TWO POINT SECTION 2.02 D, THE CITY WILL STILL WILL HAVE STILL HAVE TO CLOSE ALAMO STREET EFFECTIVELY, EFFECTIVELY GIVING THE STATE PARCEL B AND HAVE LEASED PARCEL A TO THE STATE UNTIL 2068. THERE ARE TOO MANY IMPORTANT AND UNANSWERED QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LEASE AND THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT HAD ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW THE RED LINE LEASE. THE TERMS OF THE AMENDED LEASE ARE ONEROUS AND DISADVANTAGEOUS TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THERE IS STILL A $50 MILLION PENALTY IN THE LEASE SHOULD THE CITY UNWIND THE LEASE. ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW PAYING FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PLAZA, THE STATE SUFFERS SO NO SUCH PENALTY AND DOES NOT EVEN HAVE TO DELIVER ON THE TERMS OF THE LEASE TO A DATE CERTAIN. THIS LEASE AMENDMENT IS A BAD DEAL FOR THE CITY, A BAD DEAL FINANCIALLY, A POTENTIALLY BAD DEAL CULTURALLY AND MAYBE A BAD DEAL. LEGALLY, WE HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITIZENS OF OUR CITY, AND I CANNOT SUPPORT ENTERING INTO A LEASE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH OUR DUTY OF LOYALTY AND DUTY OF CARE. WE, AS THE FIDUCIARY FOR THE CITY, MUST ACT DILIGENTLY ON BEHALF OF OUR CITIZENS BY APPROVING THIS LEASE AMENDMENT. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE ARE ACTING IN THAT STEAD. WE SIMPLY NEED MORE TIME TO DELIBERATE THIS DECISION. THEREFORE, GIVEN THE WEAK PERFORMANCE DEADLINES FOR THE STATE TO EXECUTE ITS REQUIREMENTS, THE FACT THE COST BURDEN TO DESIGN AND BUILD THIS PROJECT FALLS SQUARELY ON THE CITY. THE FACT THE CITY IS FUNDING ALL IMPROVEMENTS OF ALAMO PLAZA AND THEN MUST PAY THE STATE $50 MILLION IF THE CITY DECIDES TO RECLAIM MANAGEMENT OF ALAMO PLAZA DUE TO THE STATE NOT BUILDING A WORLD CLASS MUSEUM. IN FACT, THE CLOSURE OF ALAMO STREET SEEMS PREMATURE BEST AND IS PERHAPS UNWARRANTED. AND THE FACT THAT THE, THAT ACCORDING TO THE TERMS OF THIS LEASE, THE CITY GIVES UP ITS PROPERTY RIGHTS TO THE STATE FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. I MOVE TO DELAY THIS ITEM AND SEND IT TO THE FIRST B SESSION IN MAY. SO WE CAN HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THE AMENDED LEASE, REVIEW THE RED LINE LEASE, HAVE OUR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ANSWERED, AND ALLOW THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PROPOSAL. SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DELAY OF THIS ITEM TO THE FIRST B SESSION IN MAY. SO DISCUSSION WILL RESUME, UH, ON THAT MOTION. UM, ARE THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE MOTION TO DELAY? COUNCIL MEMBER? COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT, GOSH, EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED SINCE 2017, AND VERY DELIBERATE DISCUSSIONS, LOT OF MEETINGS. AND, UM, I VOTED AGAINST THE FIRST TIME. AND HERE WE ARE AT THIS JUNCTURE AGAIN, AND I AGREE 100% WITH COUNCILMAN TREVINO THAT THIS AMENDED LEASE, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT IT IN DETAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT I AGREE WITH IT. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE QUICKLY GONE THROUGH IT. BUT TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS PROJECT, WE SHOULD BE GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT VERY, VERY CLOSELY TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH IT, AND I AGREE WITH IT. SO THAT'S THE REASON I'M SUPPORTING THIS , THIS AMENDMENT. THERE'S NOTHING IN MY VIEW THAT IS FORCING US TO MAKE THIS DECISION TODAY, THIS QUICKLY TO MAKE THIS NEXT STEP THAT IS AGAIN, GONNA AFFECT US FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. SO I'D LIKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SIT BACK AND TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS AMENDED LEASE AND, UH, HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MAKE COMMENTS ON IT ALSO. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SECONDING IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLAGRA. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, ANDY, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL LEASE IN THE, HOW MANY CHANGES WERE MADE FROM THE ORIGINAL LEASE IN, UH, THIS CURRENT LEASE? I HAVEN'T COUNTED 'EM ALL. COUNCILWOMAN, BUT I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT IT NOW. THERE'S, UM, [02:55:02] I I I WOULD SAY AGAIN, JUST, JUST LOOKING AT IT VISUALLY, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, 70 PER 80% OF IT IS, OF, OF WHAT WE HAVE IS EITHER IN THE ORIGINAL LEASE OR, UH, SOME THINGS WE TOOK OUT ONLY BECAUSE FROM A TIME STANDPOINT, THEY NO LONGER MADE SENSE. SO THANK YOU. UH, IT'S NOT A COMPLETE RE REVISION OF IT'S RIGHT. IT'S STRICTLY THOSE THAT, UH, REVISIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO FIT THE PLAN THAT THIS COUNCIL SAW TODAY. AND IN THIS NEW PLAN THAT THE COUNCIL IS, UH, LOOKING AT TODAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT LOWERING THE GRADE. WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A TIME CERTAIN ON HERE, UM, THAT GIVES US THE EXTRA PROTECTION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE ORIGINAL LEASE. UH, WE DID HAVE A DATE CERTAIN, UH, IN THE PREVIOUS LEASE WE'VE UP, WE WE'VE ACTUALLY MOVED THAT UP AND NOW TIED IT TO FUNDING AND DESIGN, WHICH I THINK IS, IS BETTER OFF FOR THE CITY. UH, AND I DO WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THOUGH, COUNCILWOMAN, IF WE, IF THEY DON'T MEET THAT TIMEFRAME, UH, OF JANUARY, I THINK IT'S JANUARY, 2026, AND WE THEN DON'T HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO, UH, LEASE PARCEL B, THAT IN NO WAY THAT IN NO WAY TRIGGERS THE $50 MILLION PAYMENT, THAT THAT IS JUST NOT CORRECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND I KNOW THAT WE DID, UM, SEND THIS OUT ORIGINALLY ON MONDAY, UH, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED TO HAPPEN LAST WEEK WAS ALSO MAKE, WE HAD TO GO TO THE STATE AND TALK TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS TO WORK THROUGH THESE, THESE ITEMS. YES. AND IF I MAY COUNCILMAN UP, UP UNTIL SUNDAY EVENING, WE WERE MAKING CHANGES BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD. SO I WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZE THIS AS A RUSH BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE 2014 AND WE VOTED ON 80, 70 TO 80% OF THIS ORIGINAL LEASE, WHICH WE NOW HAVE MORE, UH, FIRM, UH, DIRECTION WITH THIS, THIS COMMUNITY. AND WITH MORE INPUT FROM OUR COLLEAGUES, ALL OF OUR COLLEAGUES, AND WITH MORE INPUT FROM THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR, UH, WHO DID, UH, COMMUNICATE WITH ME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WERE THE CHANGES IN THIS 23 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT WE DID SEND OUT AND ALL OF THOSE CHANGES WHICH WERE, UM, HIT THE POINTS THAT WE NEEDED TO. I DON'T SEE THE, THE NEED FOR A DELAY, MAYOR, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GRO. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS MOTION? ANYONE? COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO. THANK YOU MAYOR ANDY, DID YOU RECEIVE ANY CALLS, UH, RECENTLY, UH, REGARDING CONCERNS, LEGAL CONCERNS FROM THE ALMA TRUST? UH, YES, WE DID. UH, ON, ON ONE OF THE PROVISIONS IN THE LEASE. RIGHT. AND IS THIS COUNSEL AWARE OF WHAT THAT, THE NATURE OF THAT IS? NO. 'CAUSE IT WAS A VERY, VERY SPECIFIC ISSUE RELATING TO THE LISTING OF THE EVENTS. DO YOU, DO YOU NOT THINK THEY SHOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT THOSE CONCERNS MIGHT BE? FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UM, SUBSTANTIVE ENOUGH THAT I CAN CERTAINLY ALERT THE COUNCIL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SUBSTANT ENOUGH TO, TO IMPACT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE LEASE. I, WELL THEN I, I WOULD JUST MAKE THE REQUEST THAT YOU ALERT THIS COUNCIL ABOUT THE, THE CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOU ACCIDENTALLY WILL. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE ON THE MOTION TO DELAY? COUNCILMAN VER SANDOVAL? AYE, UH, MAYOR, I, I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS, BUT I'LL SAVE THEM FOR WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE COME BACK. UH, GREAT WORK. UH, I LOVE THE CHANGES IN, IN THE LEASE. UH, IF THERE IS SOMETHING, UH, IN THE LEASE THAT WE CAN ONLY DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, I, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE JUST GO AHEAD AND GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY SO THAT WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH OUR VOTE WHEN, WHEN WE COME BACK. THAT WOULD BE MY, UH, MY SUGGESTION. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN. WELL, I JUST WANNA KNOW, IS THERE SOMEBODY FROM ALAMO TRUST HERE WHO CAN ADDRESS IT IF THEY HAVE, UH, AN ISSUE? WHY DON'T LET, UH, ANDY, IF IT, IF IT IS, OH, OKAY. I CAN TRY. LET, LET ME TRY TO ADDRESS IT. UH, COUNCILWOMAN IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T, UM, UH, REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, LEGAL ANALYSIS IN, UH, IN, UH, IN-DEPTH LEGAL ADVICE. UH, THE CONCERN HAD TO DO WITH THE LISTING OF THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT, UH, WERE ACCOMMODATIONS TO A NUMBER OF GROUPS. [03:00:01] UH, AS THIS COUNCIL KNOWS, UH, A COUPLE OF THOSE GROUPS HAVE ACTIVE LITIGATION, BOTH WITH THE CITY, UM, AND WITH, UM, THE TRUST. UM, AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN FROM, UH, LAWYERS FOR THE ALAMO TRUST THAT BY INCLUDING THOSE EVENTS, UH, SOMEHOW IT WOULD UNDERMINE, UH, A LITIGATION POSITION. UM, WE, UH, KEPT THE LISTING OF EVENTS IN THERE BECAUSE OUR VIEW IS THAT WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE VERSUS, UH, TAKING A HARD STANCE. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE LEASE, UH, CREATED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESOLUTION OF THOSE ABSENT OF LITIGATION. SO, UH, WE DID NOT, WE, WE KEPT THE, THE EVENTS THERE. AND AGAIN, OUR INTENTION WAS TO OPEN AN AVENUE OF COMMUNICATION, OPENING AN AVENUE SO THAT HOPEFULLY THESE ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN LITIGATION CAN BE RESOLVED. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK THAT'S, UH, AN IMPORTANT MOVE FORWARD AND I THINK THAT IT JUST, UH, SPEAKS TO THE WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE AND WORK TOGETHER ON THIS. SO THANK YOU MAYOR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GRO, UM, ANYONE ELSE ON THE DELAY TO SPEAK ON THE DELAY? THANK YOU. UH, MAYOR, UH, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DID GET THE, THE STRIKEOUT UNDERLYING VERSION A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT I STILL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND WALK THROUGH THAT. AND I DID SEND SOME QUESTIONS TO, TO THE COUNCILWOMAN, UH, TO MY STAFF. AND I HAD A DIALOGUE WITH, UH, ANDY, UH, EARLIER TODAY TO GO THROUGH SOME FINAL QUESTIONS THAT I HAD ABOUT FIVE OR SIX OF THEM. AND HE HAS ACCOMMODATED, UH, MY, MY INQUIRIES. ANDY, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SHARE WHAT, WHAT WE DISCUSSED, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY. COUNCILWOMAN. WE, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE ARCHIVAL COMMITTEE, THAT WE IDENTIFIED THAT AS AN ARCHIVAL COMMITTEE AND NOT THE CITY'S, UM, COMMITTEE. UH, YOU MADE A, A COUPLE OF, UM, TYPOS THAT WE IDENTIFY THAT WE'LL CORRECT. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE PLAN, THE REVISED PLAN IS NOT AS, UH, IS NOT AN ATTACHMENT. UH, BUT WE'LL TALK TO THE G L O ABOUT EITHER ATTACHING WHAT THE COUNCIL SAW TODAY OR MAKE A REFERENCE TO THE PRESENTATION AS A FRAMEWORK FOR GOING FORWARD. UH, WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT. UM, AND, UM, ALSO WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT 8.0, I THINK. OH, THAT WAS THE PLAN. I THINK THAT WAS THE PLAN. DID I MISS ANYTHING COUNCILWOMAN? THE, THE FUNDING BY THE G L O AND THE DATE CERTAIN OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THE DATE CERTAIN, UH, AGAIN, THE DATE CERTAIN IS, UH, JANUARY 1ST, 2026, BY WHICH THEY, UH, G G L O WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE, UH, BOTH THE DESIGN APPROVED AND BOTH COMMITTED FUNDING. AND IF THEY DON'T MEET THAT, THEN THE CITY NO LONGER HAS AN OBLIGATION, UH, TO LEASE PARCEL B. UM, AND THAT ACTUALLY MOVES THAT DECISION POINT UP BECAUSE IT HAD, WE RELIED, FOR EXAMPLE, ON CONSTRUCTION, THEN THAT TIMEFRAME WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH F FURTHER OUT. SO THE POINT IS WE WILL LEARN EARLIER ON RATHER THAN LATER ON WHETHER THERE IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE A, A MUSEUM AND VISITOR CENTER. UH, SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A, A, A MAJOR, UH, IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. UH, AND THEN ON THE FUNDING, UH, WE HAVE COMMITTED FUNDING BY BOTH THE CITY AND THE G L O. UH, THERE IS LANGUAGE THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT OPERATIONS AND MANAGEMENT OF THE PREMISES. UH, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE IT IS A LONG-TERM LEASE. UH, ONCE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE STATE SPENDS $108 MILLION, THEY STILL WOULD BE COMMITTED TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN, UH, THE LEASE PREMISES. AND, AND ACTUALLY THEY'LL HAVE OBVIOUSLY AN OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THE OWN PREMISES, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S PROVISIONS IN THE LEASE THAT TALK ABOUT MANAGING THE PREMISES. AND SO THEY'LL HAVE A CONTINUING OBLIGATION TO DO THAT. AS, AS WILL THE CITY, WE'LL HAVE A CONTINUING, UH, OBLIGATION TO MANAGE THAT PROPERTY WE CONTROL. THANK YOU ANDY. AND THEN THE, THE LAST THING IS THERE WAS TALK ABOUT SECURITY, BUT, UH, THAT WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING SECURITY IN ONLY ONE PART OF THE PLAZA. AND I HAD WANTED YOU TO CLARIFY WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY AND THE REST OF THE PLAZA. CORRECT. UM, WE HAD A PROVISION IN THERE 'CAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT G L O HAD POINTED OUT IN TERMS OF THERE WERE CONCERNS, UH, WITH, UH, THE SOUTHERN PARK. 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHERE MORE, WHERE THE CITY CONTROL PROPERTY IS. UH, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY TALK TO THEM 'CAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO NEED TO LIMIT IT TO THAT. UH, WE CAN PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, SECURITY TO THOSE AREAS THAT WE CONTROL, OBVIOUSLY, AND WE'LL COORDINATE WITH THE G L O. UH, THEY'LL HAVE THE OBLIGATION [03:05:01] TO PROVIDE SECURITY FOR THOSE, UH, PARTS OF THE PREMISES THAT THEY CONTROL, LIKE THE, THE CHURCH, THE LONG BARRACKS, ET CETERA. THANK YOU, ERIC. THANK YOU, ANDY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE, UH, THE WHOLE AGREEMENT AND I DID, AND I REALLY UNDERSTOOD VERY CLEARLY EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THERE. BUT FOR THE PUBLIC, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY, UH, WHAT WE HEARD MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT HOW THE CITY COULD POSSIBLY BE PENALIZED $50 MILLION. CAN YOU CLARIFY UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COULD POSSIBLY OCCUR? UH, I WILL COUNCILMAN, AND, UH, BEFORE I DO THAT, I'LL GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT OF WHY THAT PROVISION IS IN THERE. UH, IF THE COUNCIL REMEMBERS THE ORIGINAL POSITION OF THE STATE WAS THEY WANTED TO OWN THE PROPERTY OUTRIGHT. AND SO INITIALLY WHEN WE WERE FIRST TALKING ABOUT THE ALAMO PLAN, THEIR IDEA WAS FOR US TO THE CITY TO CONVEY THAT PROPERTY FEE SIMPLE, SELL THEM THE PROPERTY. UH, AND SO THAT WE WOULD NOT OWN ANY OF IT. UH, WE, UH, COUNTERED THAT WE WANTED A LONG-TERM LEASE. UH, THE REASON WE WANTED A LONG-TERM LEASE IS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD SOME AVENUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OBLIGATIONS AT THE STATE WAS TAKING ON. WE WOULD HAVE SOME LEVERAGE IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY LIVED UP TO THOSE OBLIGATIONS. THAT'S WHY IT'S A LONG-TERM LEASE VERSUS A CONVEYANCE OF PROPERTY. UH, A VERY LEGITIMATE AND REASONABLE CONCERN THAT THE STATE HAD WAS WHAT IF, UH, WE ENTER INTO A LONG-TERM LEASE AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER, FIVE YEARS LATER, A NEW CITY COUNCIL JUST UNILATERALLY DECIDES WE DON'T LIKE THE LEASE AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO TERMINATE IT AGAIN. BUT IT SAYS TERMINATION WITHOUT CAUSE. AND SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS THAT IF WE TRY TO TERMINATE IT AND THE STATE IS LIVING UP TO THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE LEASE, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT AT FAULT, THEY'RE COMPLETELY COMPLIANT WITH ALL THEIR OBLIGATIONS. IF WE TRY TO TERMINATE IT DESPITE THE FACT THEY ARE IN FULL COMPLIANCE, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT $50 MILLION, UH, PENALTY COMES IN. AND AGAIN, THAT THAT'S THERE. SO THE, THE, THE STATE IS PROTECTED FROM THE EVENTS INVESTMENTS THEY'RE MAKING, UH, IN THE PROPERTY ON THE PREMISES, AND TO ASSURE THAT THERE'S NOT SOME, UH, CHANGE OF MIND LATER ON THAT'S NOT BASED ON NON-COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO DELAY, WE WILL TAKE UP THAT MOTION NOW. UM, AGAIN, UM, SO THERE IS A MOTION, A SECOND TO DELAY THIS ITEM TO A B SESSION. A YES IS TO DELAY A NO IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CON WITH THE DISCUSSION TODAY, PLEASE VOTE NO. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER PLY, UH, COULD YOU VOICE VOTE? YEAH, I TRIED. NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. NO. A YES VOTE IS TO DELAY A NO VOTE IS TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION TODAY. NO. CAN YOU HEAR ME? ANYBODY? OKAY. MOTION FAILS. UH, SO THE DISCUSSION WILL RESUME. WE STILL HAVE THE QUEUE. UH, SO LET ME NOW TURN, UM, THE FLOOR TO COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU TO ALL OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES. UM, WHEN YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE AT THE INCEPTION OF THINGS IN YOUR CONTINUING TO LEARN AND IT'S CONTINUING TO CHANGE AND, UH, YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE THE QUESTIONS. BUT WHAT I SEE IS THAT WE ARE WORKING IN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. I WANT TO THANK MY DISTRICT TWO APPOINTEE, MR. ANTHONY EDWARDS, UM, WHO CONTINUES TO MAKE HIS VOICE AND HIS HISTORY OF THE ALAMO KNOWN TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND THOSE WHO SPOKE TODAY ABOUT THEIR HERITAGE AND THEIR LEGACY AND THEIR ANCESTORS. LET US NOT FORGET THAT WE AS A BLACK COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND YOU FULLY. WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE HALF OF OUR ANCESTORS ARE BURIED. WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT GROUNDS WERE VIOLATED AND WHAT SOULS AND SPIRITS HAVE BEEN TAMPERED. SO WE UNDERSTAND YOU COMPLETELY. AND THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK WHEN WE SEE THE STORIES OF THOSE [03:10:01] BONES THAT ARE FOUND, ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DISTURB THESE GROUNDS? SO WE UNDERSTAND YOU FULLY, WE FEEL YOU COMPLETELY. AND KNOWING THAT WE ARE GOING FORWARD WITH AN ARCHEOLOGICAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS TRULY THERE, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE STILL HAVE MASSIVE GRAVES THAT WE CAN'T TELL WHOSE BODY IS WHERE, WHO DID THEY BELONG TO? WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? WHO, WHAT, WHAT WAS THEIR NAME? WE HAVE NONE OF THAT INFORMATION, AND WE UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. SO MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOU WHEN YOU STAND UP FOR YOUR ANCESTORS. THANK YOU. AS I'M GOING FORWARD AND LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONTINUES TO GO THROUGH MY MIND IS WORKING WITH THE COLLABORATION OF THE WOOLWORTH COALITION AND WONDERING WHERE THEY FALL WITHIN THE PROCESS OF TELLING THIS STORY. WE KNOW THAT THE STORY DOES NOT END AT THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING. WITH THE INTEGRATION OF THE LUNCH COUNTERS, WE KNOW THAT IT STILL EXPANDS TO THE BUS ROUTES THAT WE AS BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD HAVE TO TRAVEL DOWNTOWN. WE ALSO KNOW THAT WITH THE LETTER THAT MS. MARY LILLIAN ANDREWS WROTE IN REFERENCE TO HOW THE INTEGRATION HAPPENED, IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IS PRESERVED IN THE HISTORY AND THE STORYTELLING, AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE NOT FORGETTING THOSE WHOSE NAMES ARE NOT ETCHED INTO THE CENTER TAP, SUCH AS JUST A NAME OF JOE. AND JOE WAS NOT EVEN RECOGNIZED BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT ALL OF THE BATTLE WAS HAPPENING, WE AS BLACK AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE ACTUALLY FREE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. BUT NONE OF THAT HISTORY IS ACTUALLY LISTED. THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO TRULY TELL THIS STORY AND NOT LEAVING OUT THOSE WHO TRULY ARE MEANT TO HAVE THEIR NAMES ETCHED IN THE LAND OF HISTORY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. SO AS WE CONTINUE TO TELL THIS STORY, LET US NOT TELL A HALF STORY. LET US NOT TELL A STORY OF JUST WHAT IS TO BE PRESERVED. BUT LET US TELL A STORY THAT TRULY SPEAKS TO EVERYONE WHO RESTS AT THIS BURIAL GROUND. AND LET US CALL IT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, A BURIAL GROUND. LET US CALL IT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, A HISTORY AND A TIME OF CHANGING. WE AS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DECLARE RACISM A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE WERE NOT BEING AS INCLUSIVE AS WE NEEDED TO BE HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WHERE WE DEEM OURSELVES A COMPASSIONATE CITY. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT WE WILL HAVE, BUT AS WE GO FORWARD, WE NEED TO GO FORWARD AS ONE UNITED FRONT, HAVING THE SAME MISSION ON ONE ACCORD, NOT TO EXCLUDE THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ANCESTORS THAT ARE LAYING THERE RESTING. AND LET US BE MINDFUL THAT DISTURBING OF A RESTING PLACE IS NOT BEING INCLUSIVE, BUT CONTINUING THE RACISM THAT WE CONTINUE TO SPEAK OF HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THOSE ARE MY REQUESTS AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN, COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. UH, THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN FOR, UM, THOSE IMPORTANT WORDS, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD TO, TO TELL THE STORY, UH, ABOUT THE ALAMO AND, UM, THE WHOLE STORY, WHICH AGAIN, I FEEL HAS BEEN AT THE HEART OF THIS ISSUE. UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE LEASE. UH, I HAVE EXPRESSED ALL ALONG THAT I DIDN'T LIKE THE LEASE. UH, I EXPRESSED IT THE FIRST TIME AROUND. I'VE EXPRESSED IT AGAIN. I DON'T LIKE IT. UH, THERE ARE LIMITATIONS, HOWEVER, IN THE ACTION WE CAN TAKE ON THIS DAIS. I COULD VOTE NO, I COULD MAKE, UM, BUT THERE ARE PARTS OF IT THAT I DO LIKE. UM, AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE A YES OR NO. UH, THIS HAS BEEN MANY, MANY YEARS IN THE MAKING. UM, I CAN REMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER BEN BERNAL. THAT WAS, UH, MY EXPERIENCE THE FIRST TIME I HEARD ABOUT IT. UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE COME SUCH A LONG WAY SINCE THEN. UM, ALMOST, YOU KNOW, AT AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY THIS HAS CHANGED. THERE'S BEEN EBBS AND FLOWS. THERE WAS GONNA BE A $400 MILLION MUSEUM, WHICH I ALSO NEVER REALLY LIKED. I'VE ALWAYS FOUND MUSEUMS TO BE RACIST, BUT, UM, I KNOW THERE'S TRYING TO CHANGE THAT, BUT I NEVER LIKED THE IDEA OF A MUSEUM. MAYBE WE'LL GET ONE, MAYBE WE WON'T. THAT ALL TO BE DETERMINED. UM, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OFFENDED IN SORT OF THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE ALAMO BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THIS CONVERSATION THAT'S JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH THE WAY IT IS. UH, AND I [03:15:01] ALWAYS FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETIMES HOW OTHERS THINK OF OUR CITY. AND THAT IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL, WE THINK ABOUT IT, ABOUT OURSELVES, UH, THAT WE'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH THE WAY WE ARE. WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT TO BE MORE APPEALING TO OTHER PEOPLE. UM, AND AS WE ARE COMING OUT OF THIS PANDEMIC, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE, UH, HOPE THAT WE RECOGNIZE, UM, IS THAT WE ARE A RESILIENT CITY. WE ARE A CITY THAT PEOPLE WANT TO VISIT. WE KNOW THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COMING TO THE ALAMO BEFORE THE TRANSFORMATION, AND THEY'LL COME AFTER THE TRANSFORMATION. BECAUSE WE'RE A BEAUTIFUL CITY THE WAY WE ARE. WE DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO CHANGE OURSELVES, UH, TO BE MORE APPEALING. UH, WE JUST HAVE TO RECOGNIZE OUR OWN TRUTH AND PRESENT THAT TO THE WORLD, AND THE PEOPLE WILL COME. AND THIS IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF THAT. THE INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY HAS MADE THROUGH THE CITY, HAS MADE THROUGH OUR BONDS, THROUGH OTHER CFOS, UM, THAT WE WANT TO RESPECT THE ALAMO AND WE WANT TO RESPECT THE STORIES OF THE ALAMO. BUT WE DO NEED TO HEAR ALL THE STORIES. AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE KNOW THAT HAPPENS IN A STORY IS THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A HERO AND THERE'S ALWAYS A VILLAIN. AND WE, AS MEXICAN AMERICANS, MANY DESCENDANTS OF, OF THE ALAMO, AND AS A DAUGHTER OF AN IMMIGRANT, UH, WE'RE THE VILLAINS AND THE PEOPLE THAT CLEAN OUR HOTELS AND THE PEOPLE THAT SERVE THIS COMMUNITY HAVE NEVER BEEN RESPECTED. AND WE WON'T GET RESPECTED, UH, UNTIL WE SEE OUR TRUE VALUE, UH, EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS. AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO SUPPORTING THIS. I DON'T LOVE IT. I'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE VOTE YES OR WE VOTE NO. AND TODAY I VOTE YES. I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT WITH THE SUPPORT OF MY COLLEAGUES. I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR COUNCILWOMAN BRAN AND HER COMMITMENT TO THE CITY. ONE THING I CAN SAY ABOUT MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILWOMAN IS THAT HER HEART AND SOUL IS IN THE MISSIONS AND IN HER COMMUNITY, AND IN HER MISSIONS, AND, UH, IN HER LOVE FOR THE HISTORY, UH, OF OUR CITY, AND OF COURSE, UH, THE FUTURE AS WELL. UH, AND I'M SO HAPPY THAT, UM, SHE WILL BE HERE. SHE'LL BE ABLE TO SERVE ON THIS, UH, COMMITTEE AFTER SHE LEAVES OFFICE. UM, I'M GLAD THAT WE DID NOT DELAY THE VOTE. UM, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT I'LL BE OUT OF THIS SEAT, UH, BY MAY 1ST AND THEN NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE FOR WHAT WE KNOW IS THIS HISTORIC DECISION. UM, AND, UH, I WANNA BE A PART OF IT. UM, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LOVE EVERY PART OF IT, UM, I'VE BEEN HERE FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS ITERATION, ALTHOUGH WE KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY. UM, AND I WANNA BE HERE, UH, TO, TO VOTE ON THIS ONE. UH, AND SO WHILE, UM, WHILE THERE ARE LIMITATIONS, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE HAD MANY GO ROUNDS. UH, GEORGE CISNEROS, UH, HAS BEEN, UM, A VERY VOCAL, UH, MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. UM, WHEN I ASKED HIM TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE, HE DID TELL ME YOU MIGHT REGRET IT, UH, IF, IF, UM, IF I'M YOUR, UH, APPOINTEE. BUT I HAVE FOUND HIM TO BE INCREDIBLY RESOURCEFUL AND, AND INCREDIBLY OPEN, UH, TO ME AND, AND ALWAYS BRIEFING ME ON WHAT'S GOING ON. AND OF COURSE, BEING VERY, VERY VOCAL ABOUT HIS OPINIONS ABOUT THIS. AND SO, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A BETTER ITERATION THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ABOUT 80% OF, UH, WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, SHOULD WE APPROVE THIS LEASE TODAY WAS ALREADY IN THERE. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF NON SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, UH, WHICH IS WHY I CAN SUPPORT THE LEASE, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LOVE ALL OF IT. UM, AND, AND SO I, I HOPE THAT WE CAN, UH, WHEN WE SEE THIS COME TO FRUITION, UH, WHEN WE HAVE A COMPLETION OF THE PLAZA, UH, THAT WE ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT THE ALAMO, THE WAY THAT IT WAS, THE DESIGN, THE PART OF THE, THAT IS THE WORLD HERITAGE. ALL THE STORIES THAT WERE TOLD WILL NOT CHANGE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PLAZA. THEY WON'T CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN. WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IS THE MYTH OF THE ALAMO, UH, AND THAT WE REALLY INVEST TIME AND MONEY AND RESOURCES IN CHANGING THAT MYTH. AND SO, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TODAY. THERE WAS INFORMAL DISCUSSIONS THE LAST TIME WE SUPPORTED THIS, UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT WE AS A CITY WOULD DEDICATE, UM, FUNDING. UH, THE REQUEST WAS FOR $250,000 FOR, UH, UH, UH, RESEARCH AND INFORMATION AT OUR CENTRAL LIBRARY AS PART OF THIS STORY. UH, IT WAS AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION THAT I REQUESTED, NOT A FORMAL BUDGETARY ITEM, SO NOBODY HAS TO GET NERVOUS, BUT IT WAS A REQUEST THAT I MADE, UH, AT THAT TIME. AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT, UM, IN THE YEARS TO COME, THAT WE HAVE A PART OF OUR LIBRARY AS PART OF THE, THE, [03:20:01] UM, THE, UH, TEXAN STORY THAT WE DEDICATE, ESPECIALLY TO THIS ISSUE. UM, SO I, UH, I THANK YOU, UM, COUNCILMAN VRAN FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU. THANK COUNCIL MEMBER VINNO FOR YOUR MANY, MANY YEARS OF DEDICATION TO THE ISSUE. UM, WE KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES, UM, AND, UH, BUT THEY WERE ALWAYS BUILT UPON A FOUNDATION. AND I BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE WORK THAT WAS ESTABLISHED VERY EARLY ON, UH, OF COURSE IS, IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY. SO IT'S ALL LAYERED, UM, ESPECIALLY LORI, FOR HANGING IN THERE ALL THIS TIME, UH, FOR THE ALAMO AND, AND NOT, UM, LETTING IT, UH, NOT HANDING IT OFF, I THINK IS WHAT I WANNA SAY, BECAUSE I THINK YOU COULD HAVE REQUESTED THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY AS WELL. UM, SO FOR HANGING IN THERE AND, AND, UH, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO GEORGE SNE, UH, FOR HIS COMMITMENT TO, UH, THE, UM, THIS, UM, VERY IMPORTANT, I THINK THE HISTORY FOUNDATION OF OUR CITY, UH, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, THE ALAMO, AND ALL THE STORIES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ, COUNCIL MEMBER KIO HDA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE WHO CAME TO SPEAK TODAY. SPECIAL THANKS TO MATTHEW DUNCAN, THE DISTRICT SIX APPOINTEE FOR HIS HARD WORK AND DEDICATION AND, AND REALLY TO ALL OF THE BOARD FOR THEIR IMPORTANT WORK. THE ALAMO IS PART OF THE STORY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND SO IT IS PART OF MY STORY AS A NATIVE SAN ANTONIAN. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY INPUT I HAVE RECEIVED FROM STAKEHOLDERS AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHOWING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS PLAN. AMONG OTHER ISSUES REGARDING THE ALAMO DISTRICT SIX THAT I REPRESENT, TOLD ME THEY CARE ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING, THE PARADE ROUTE, AND ALAMO PLAZA REMAINING OAKLAND TO THE PUBLIC WITH UNRESTRICTED ACCESS AND TELLING THE WHOLE STORY OF NOT ONLY THE ALAMO, BUT THE LAND THE ALAMO SITS ON. I ALSO DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE COMMERCIALIZATION OF THE SITE. UH, I WAS AFRAID THAT THIS WAS GOOD, THE ROUTE THAT, THAT WE WERE GONNA GO, BUT IT'S MORE OF THE PRESERVATION OF THE MANY CULTURES THAT ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LAND. I'M ESPECIALLY HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THE PARADE ROUTE AND HOW IT WILL CONTINUE. RESPECTFULLY, AS I DO UNDERSTAND AND, AND, AND HONOR AND RESPECT THAT THIS IS A GRAVE SITE IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO, I'M PROUD TO SAY WE'RE GONNA RESERVE THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE HISTORY OF ALL OUR CITY, BUT ESPECIALLY OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT EVERY CULTURE THAT HAS SETTLED AND SHAPED OUR CITY INTO WHAT IT IS TODAY. AND WE HAVE TO HONOR AND RESPECT AND TRULY PAY REVERENCE TO OUR HISTORY. ONE OF THE EARLY QUESTIONS I HAD, UM, WAS ABOUT THE MESSAGING ON SITE. WHETHER THERE, WHETHER THERE'S A MUSEUM IS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIND OUT. BUT WHEN YOU GO TO THE, THE NEWLY PLANNED ALAMO, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA LEARN ABOUT IT? THE SIGNAGE. AND I, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO CONTINUING THAT, THOSE QUESTIONS AND SEEING THAT ACTUALLY COME INTO FRUITION. I ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO TAKING MY FAMILY, MY KIDS, AND OF COURSE, ALL VISITORS OF SAN ANTONIO TO READ AND PHYSICALLY SEE THE ORIGINS OF MY NATIVE SAN ANTONIO AND, UM, THE ORIGINS OF MY STORY AS WELL. I DO HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH. UM, I WANNA ASK ABOUT, UM, EXPANSION ON, ON HOW AND WHERE THE DEMONSTRATION OR THE PUBLIC SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS WILL BE HANDLED. UM, CAN YOU TALK MORE ABOUT THAT? AS YOU SAW ON THE SLIDES, WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WILL BE ALLOWED FOR CEREMONIAL AND THEN PROGRAMMING, WHICH IS THE FOOTPRINT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE FIRST AMENDMENT AREA, AND THEN WE HAVE THE GARDEN THAT WILL BE MORE FOR RECEPTIONS. AND SO WE'LL RESERVE THE PLAZA THAT THE CITY CONTROLS FOR THOSE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. AND THEN THOSE DEMONSTRATIONS THAT CHOOSE TO GO UNDER THE FOOTPRINT, THOSE WILL BE HANDLED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. PROVIDED THEY'RE NOT DISRUPTING PROGRAMMING, UM, WILL DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THOSE. BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN STILL GO ONTO THE SITE AND YOU CAN, SOMEONE MENTIONED CHRISTMAS CAROLING. AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT DISRUPTING THE PROGRAMMING IN THE AREA, THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. BUT IF IT'S A MASSIVE, UM, EVENT THAT GOES INTO THE SITE, THERE MIGHT BE A REQUEST TO MOVE TO THE OTHER AREA. SO THE MAIN PART OF THE PLAZA WOULD BE THE, THE AREA WHERE THE GAZEBO USED TO BE. THAT SECTION WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO GO INTO THE FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS WHERE THE SENATE HALF IS GOING TO BE, PROVIDED YOU'RE NOT DISRUPTING ANY PROGRAMMING, THAT SHOULD BE FINE. BUT IF THERE IS A DISRUPTION, YOU'LL BE TREATED LIKE YOU ARE TODAY AND ASKED TO LEAVE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, LORI. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VEO. HDA. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. THANK YOU, SIR. WOW, WHAT A, WHAT A TRAVELING TIME WE, UH, HAVE BEEN THROUGH SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL WITH THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND IF YOU REMEMBER, I VOTED AGAINST IT [03:25:01] THE FIRST TIME, UM, FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS, AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH 'EM. RELOCATING THE CTA? NO, UM, ACCOMMODATING THE, UM, UH, OR NOT ACCOMMODATING THE PARADES AND, AND THINGS IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO? NO, UM, THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TAKING IT DOWN. NO. UM, LOWERING THE PLAZA. NO OPEN ACCESS OR CLOSING THE ACCESS TO THE PLAZA. NO. UM, AND STREET CLOSURES. I, I WAS AGAINST THE STREET CLOSURES. WELL, LOOK, ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED ON THIS REVISION HERE, UM, ON THIS CONCEPT. IT'S NOT A DESIGN YET, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. UM, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT, SO I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE STREET CLOSURES. WANT TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT. BUT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT ALL OF THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT I WAS AGAINST THE FIRST TIME THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED AND ACCOMMODATED THIS TIME. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION HERE. UH, I, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT ALL OF THIS IS GONNA COME OUT THE RIGHT WAY. I STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. AND LORI, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD, UH, UM, TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE, UH, CONCERNS I HAD AT THE B SESSION WAS, UH, DISABLED ACCESS. UH, I SEE ALL, AND THE CONCEPT IS TO CLOSE OFF THIS WHOLE AREA AND MAKE IT A WALKING AREA. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ELDERLY. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT DISABLED FOLKS THAT WANT TO GO WALK BY, TAKE A PICTURE AND THEN LEAVE. AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PARK AT, OR WHAT ACCOMMODATIONS THAT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS PLAN ON HOW WE'RE GONNA, HOW WE'RE GOING TO, UM, YEAH. ACCOMMODATE THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN'T BE WALKING OR IT'S TOO TOUGH TO PUSH A, UH, A WHEELCHAIR OR WHATEVER MEANS THAT THEY ARE HAVE TO GET AROUND TO THAT AREA. UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL TOOK DOWN AND WILL BE ACCOMMODATING DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS ON THIS? AND FIRST, THE PLAN IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAZA IS COMPLETELY ACCESSIBLE TO, TO, TO MAKE SURE IT'S LEVELED. YOU CAN USE A WHEELCHAIR, A STROLLER, HOWEVER YOU WANT. THAT IS, THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP NUMEROUS TIMES. NOW, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE DISABLED, UM, YOU CAN DROP SOMEBODY OFF ON BONUM AND, UM, CROCKETT AREA RIGHT THERE, THAT'LL GET YOU CLOSE TO THE ALAMO. BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE DOING THIS TRAFFIC STUDY TO LOOK AT HOW WE TREAT THAT SECTION OF ALAMO FROM CROCKETT TO COMMERCE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE CONSIDERING AS LONG AS WELL AS OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE EYES OF PEDESTRIAN, THROUGH THE EYES OF A VEHICLE, UM, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT STREET AND HOW IT NEEDS TO BE USED. OKAY. AND WHAT, UH, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT MANAGED ACCESS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO MANAGE ACCESS TO THE CHAPEL AND TODAY IT IS MM-HMM. , BUT WE DON'T HAVE MANAGED ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE ALAMO OR INTO LONG BARRACKS TO TODAY, DO WE, FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE LONG BARRACK, YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CHAPEL. OKAY. OR THE SIDE. SO THERE, THERE IS MANAGED ACCESS ALREADY. OKAY. THROUGH THE SIDE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T LAST TIME I WAS THERE, YOU DIDN'T, NOBODY WAS MANAGING THAT SIDE ENTRANCE THERE. SO YOU COULD GO IN THERE AND GO TAKE A LOOK AND BE AMONGST THE TREES AND LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATIONS AND THAT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A MANAGED ACCESS. ARE WE LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT? WHAT? I DON'T KNOW. THE G L O AND THE TRUST WILL BE LOOKING AT THAT. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THE PLAZA IS NOT GONNA BE MANAGED. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD. IT NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR PEDESTRIANS. OKAY. HOW THE G L O AND THE TRUST MANAGE THE ACCESS TO THEIR FACILITIES. WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO THEM. WELL, I HOPE WE AT LEAST HAVE AN INPUT ON THAT AND HOW THAT MANAGED ACCESS IS ACTUALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE. AND, AND WE WILL. OKAY, GREAT. UM, THE, UH, IT STILL BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE IN THE PLAZA. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME MENTION ABOUT RELOCATING TREES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CAN YOU GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? I, I CAN'T GO INTO MORE DETAIL 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE DETAIL. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE TREE ORDINANCE AND WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE CODE. AND WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED WITH MICHAEL SHANNON AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT ON THIS ISSUE. BUT WE, WE INTEND AND WILL FOLLOW THE CODE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY ABOUT THE, UH, FIRST AMENDMENT MM-HMM. AREA, AND WE HAVE CERTAIN EVENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED MM-HMM. AS BEING ABLE TO USE THE PLAZA IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO. I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT EVENTS THAT JUST [03:30:01] PEOPLE IN A GROUP GO IN THE PLAZA AREA AND LIKE I GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF CHURCH GROUPS GOING IN THERE AND SEEING CHRISTMAS CAROLS DURING CHRISTMAS, OR A PRAYER VIGIL OR WHATEVER. UM, THAT I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE LIST. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT IDENTIFYING SPECIAL EVENTS FOR THE PLAZA AREA. HOW ARE WE GONNA DIFFERENTIATE AND HOW ARE WE GONNA, HOW IS THAT GONNA BE CONTROLLED? ARE WE GONNA GO AND REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THAT AREA IF THEY WANNA, I DO WANNA MENTION THE LIST THAT WE HAD. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE EVENTS THAT NEEDED TO GET PERMITTED. AND SO CHRISTMAS CAROLING, THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT. THAT'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE WALKING INTO THE PLAZA. THE KEY IS PROVIDED THEY'RE PROVIDING THE REVERENCE TO THE SITE AND THEY'RE NOT DISRUPTING PROGRAMMING, THEY WILL BE ALLOWED. AND SO, BUT WE'VE KEPT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THAT. BUT THE KEY IS PROVIDING THE REVERENCE AND THOSE LISTS OF EVENTS WERE MAINLY THOSE EVENTS THAT ARE PERMITTED. SO WE HAVE TO PERMIT THE PARADES. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL AGREED THAT WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO PERMIT THAT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF EVENTS THAT DON'T HAPPEN, THAT HAPPEN DAILY. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TOP A ALARM WHO GO OUT THERE AND PRAY EVERY MORNING THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. WE DON'T PERMIT THAT. WE DON'T PLAN ON INTERRUPTING THAT. THE KEY IS PROVIDING REFERENCE TO THE SITE AND HONORING THOSE AND EVERY CULTURE THAT LAFON DIED THERE. OKAY. AND, AND IF I MAY COUNCILMAN, UH, THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT, AS YOU MIGHT, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, IS A PRETTY BROAD, RIGHT? IT'S CONTINUALLY EVOLVING. IT'S ONE OF THE, UH, FIRST, I'M SORRY, IT'S, IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT THAT HAS CREATED A LOT OF CASE LAW. AND SO, UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS WE WILL ALWAYS MONITOR THAT AND STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE PREVAILING LAW IS ON FIRST AMENDMENT. AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THESE, AS LORI POINTED OUT, ARE BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE CONTEXT. AND, UH, AS A CITY, AS WE DO WITH ANY OTHER CITY PROPERTY, WE'LL BE MINDFUL OF FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, MINDFUL OF PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, ET CETERA. SO WE WILL, WE WILL ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH PEOPLE'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. OKAY. GREAT. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND LIKE I SAID, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT Y'ALL HAVE GONE THROUGH. APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN TREVINO AND YOUR HARD WORK OVER THE YEARS. I DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS PROJECT. UM, BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THAT. AND COUNCILWOMAN, UH, UH, , APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THIS OVER AND, UM, TAKING IT ACROSS THE, WELL, I I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE FINISH LINE YET, BUT , WE STILL GOT A WAYS TO GO WITH THIS THING. BUT YEAH, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH ON THIS. I'M VERY HAPPY THAT ALL OF MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF EXCEPT THE ROAD ACCESS. UH, AND, AND WE WILL LOOK AT THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, I GUESS, ON, ON STUDYING THE TRAFFIC PLAN. BUT, UH, UM, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSER HERE, SO THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. COUNCIL MEMBER PAL. THANK YOU. UM, LORI, I'LL START BY REMINDING YOU THAT IT'S, UM, I THINK IT'S AGAIN, REALLY IMPORTANT TO, UH, UM, CELEBRATE THE SPANISH HISTORY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH YOUR AUDIO KNOW IF IT'S THE MICROPHONE THAT YOU HAVE, WE'RE NOT HEARING YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME A LITTLE? YEAH. UH, OKAY. UH, I'LL, I'LL SKIP MY COMMENTS THEN. ALRIGHT, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK, SEE IF WE CAN FIX THE AUDIO THERE. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL, WE'LL COME BACK TO PLYS IN A MINUTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, MAYOR, UH, I, I MADE SOME OF MY COMMENTS EARLIER, BUT I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I SAY A FEW THINGS ON, ON THE RECORD. FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY WHO WORKED SO HARD ON THIS AND WILL CONTINUE. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT OVER LIKE COUNCILMAN, UH, PERRY SAID, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. UH, I DO WANNA THANK THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT TODAY AND WHO'S, WHO HAVE COME OUT OVER THE YEARS, UH, OVER THOSE 150 MEETINGS. UH, I REMEMBER ONE OF THEM BEING AT THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL, AND THAT GOT, THAT GOT PRETTY HEATED. UH, AND THEN THE MANY, MANY TIMES WE HAD THE TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE HERE TALKING TO US ABOUT, ABOUT THE SENATE TAF. THOSE GUYS SEEM LIKE OLD PALS AFTER, AFTER A FEW MEETINGS HERE. AND, UH, I ESPECIALLY WANNA THANK OUR, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WORKED SO HARD ON THIS, UH, COUNCILMAN TREVINO FOR YOUR PASSION AND DEDICATION OVER SO MANY YEARS, UH, TO GET US TO THIS POINT. AND COUNCILWOMAN , UM, FOR THE, THE QUICK WORK THAT YOU DID. AND YOU REALLY TOOK THIS ON, LIKE YOU HAD SOME KIND OF DEADLINE LIKE YOU WERE RUNNING OUT OF YOUR TERM OF OFFICE OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I'M, I'M VERY, I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH, UH, WITH THE WORK THAT YOU, THAT YOU DID REPRESENTING OUR CITY AND, AND THE MANY, MANY, MANY STAKEHOLDERS, UH, INVOLVED WITH, WITH THE ALAMO. [03:35:01] THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED WITH THE ALAMO. UH, I WANTED TO ALSO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE, IN THE DESIGN THAT I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE. UH, ONE OF THEM AT, OR MANY OF THESE HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BY COUNCILMAN PERRY. I DO APPRECIATE KEEPING THE PARADE ROUTES, UH, WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY WERE BEFORE, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S ALSO A PART OF THE HISTORY THAT HAS SHAPED THE, THE ALAMO PLAZA, UH, THE ACCESS TO THE PLAZA. OF COURSE, I'M ABSOLUTELY THRILLED THAT WE WON'T HAVE, UM, THAT RESTRICTED ACCESS THAT WE'LL BE KEEPING THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING AND THE STREET CLOSURES. I I AM ACTUALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE STREET CLOSURES BECAUSE WHEN WE DO THAT, WE CREATE A PUBLIC SPACE FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE MOVING THROUGH, BUT YOU ALLOW, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO STOP AND LOOK AND MEDITATE. AND IT, IT REALLY CREATES A SORT OF A, IT'S A PARK IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WHAT WE'RE CREATING. THAT THAT PLAZA IS, IS A PARK JUST LIKE MAINE PLAZA HERE. IT BECOMES A PUBLIC SPACE THAT WE CAN ALL SHARE IN. UH, THE, THE ONLY THING I'M, I'M SAD NOT TO SEE, IS THAT WE WON'T HAVE A CHRISTMAS TREE THERE GOING FORWARD. IS THAT, IS THAT TRUE? I'M, I'M SORT OF HALF JOKING, BUT HALF NOT JOKING. 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY, SO MY DAD USED TO, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, UH, USED TO WORK FOR PARKS AND REC AND, AND ONE OF HIS DUTIES WAS, UH, BEING PART OF THE INSTALLATION TEAM FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREE AT THE ALAMO. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. WHAT I CAN SAY IS WE DID MOVE THE CHRISTMAS TREE A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO TRAVIS PARK, THAT THAT SPACE HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. HOWEVER, WE DO A SMALLER TREE IN ALMA PLAZA CURRENTLY. AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT TRADITION CONTINUES, WE'LL HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE AND THE TRUST. BUT THERE WAS AN OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT FOR THERE TO BE A TREE AT THE PLAZA, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THE TRUST THAT ASKED US TO PUT ONE BACK UP. AND SO, UM, THERE IS A DESIRE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, UM, HOW THAT LOOKS AFTER THE PRODUCT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED. AND, AND COUNCILWOMAN, THE GOOD NEWS IS THE LEASE DOES NOT PROHIBIT A CHRISTMAS TREE BEING THERE OR CANCEL. , WE'RE GOOD TO GO. . THANKS FOR LOOKING OUT FOR ME, ANDY. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. UM, LET'S TRY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PAL'S AUDIO AGAIN. APPARENTLY IT IS GOING OUT OVER THE STREAM, BUT IT'S JUST NOT COMING OUT IN THE CHAMBER. SO CAN WE TURN HIM UP, UP IN HERE? HOW ABOUT ANYTHING? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. CHECK, CHECK. OKAY. WELL, UH, AND I MEAN, MY, MY COMMENTS ARE FOR STAFF AND SO IF IT'S GOING OUT ON THE SCREEN AND NOT FOR STAFF, CAN'T HEAR IT, THEN IT'S A WASTE OF MY TIME. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE AUDIO. ALL RIGHT. TRY IT ONE MORE TIME. COUNCIL MEMBER. 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? WE'RE WE'RE HEARING IT FAINTLY IN ONE OF THESE SPEAKERS. 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3. NOW WE GOT YOU. OKAY. AH, PERFECT. ALRIGHT, SO, LORI, UM, BEFORE THIS SHUTS DOWN, I, I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT, UH, I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK. I, I SEE HOW MUCH OF YOURSELF YOU'RE POURING INTO THIS THING. AND, UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS, UM, NEVER FORGET ONE, BEEN ONE CONSISTENT FACE TO THIS PROJECT. AND THAT'S LORI HOUSTON. UM, AND, UH, LORI SPENDS DAYS AND NIGHTS AWAY FROM HER FAMILY, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HER BEAUTIFUL BABY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS GETTING DONE RIGHT. AND LORI, YOU FD FOR THIS AND YOU ALL JUST LEAVE IT. UH, I, I WILL ASK AGAIN, LORI, THAT WE NOT FORGET OUR SPANISH HISTORY, UH, AND THE CANARY ISLAND ROOMS. I THINK A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO COMMEMORATE THAT IS BY WAY OF THE PAVING STONES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ME TALKING ABOUT THAT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. I, I, I DO THINK WE CAN MISS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MAINE PLAZA WITH THE AOA OR SKIN SPOTTED, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. UH, AND, UH, I, BUT I, I KNOW THAT, UH, HAVING TALKED TO HER, HAVING WITH YOU GUYS, IT SEEMS THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANKS FOR THE THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER PELA. UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THE COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBER PLY WE'RE, WE'RE ADDRESSED TO THE PUBLIC OVER T V SS A, SO APOLOGIZE FOR THOSE IN THE CHAMBER AUDIENCE WHO DIDN'T GET ALL OF IT, BUT YOUR COMMENTS WERE BROADCAST COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THEY'RE ON THE RECORD. UM, [03:40:01] LET ME GO NOW TO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VIA GROUND. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND YOUR, UM, COMMENTS HERE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, FOR THIS DISCUSSION. AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, UM, MY COMMITTEE MEMBER FOR DISTRICT THREE. I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD TODAY. SO THE WORK OF OUR A C A C MEMBERS AND ALL OF THEIR WORK WILL, AND ALL THE WORK OF MANY PEOPLE WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND CONTINUED AFTER THIS APPROVAL. HOPEFULLY, MANY MECHANISMS WILL BE TRIGGERED AND CAN MOVE FORWARD, UM, AND WE CAN MOVE THIS STEP FORWARD WITH A HOLISTIC TELLING OF OUR STORY OF THE ALAMO, WHICH BELONGS TO THE AMERICAS. IT BELONGS TO SAN ANTONIO, AND SAN ANTONIONS HAVE BEEN STEWARDS OF THE LOCATION, THE STORIES, THE MEMORIES, AND OUR LOCAL TRIBES HAVE BEEN PROTECTORS AND DEFENDERS OF OUR TRADITIONS. SO WE NOT FORGET WHO WE ARE AND WHERE WE COME FROM. AS DIFFICULT AS THAT HISTORY MAY BE FOR SOME, WE CANNOT BE AFRAID TO TELL IT. MY HERITAGE, MY ANCESTORS, MY WORK ON THIS PROJECT SINCE 2014, STARTING WITH MAYOR CASTRO, WHEN THE A C A C WAS ESTABLISHED, HAS LED ME AND ALL OF US HERE TODAY. ALL OF US, THE CITY, THE STATE, AND THE ALAMO TRUST NEEDS TO SEE THAT COLLABORATION AND LIVING THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES IS A CRITICAL RESPONSIBILITY. AND IT IS A MOMENT TO RE, TO BUILD AND REBUILD RELATIONSHIPS HERE AS A WOMAN WITH INDIGENOUS BLOOD, AS CATHOLIC, AS A TEJANA, AS A TEXAN, AS A SAN ANTONIAN, AS A SOUTHSIDER, AND AS A , I COMMIT TO YOU MY WORK TO ELEVATE ALL STORIES, TO KEEP ACCESS FOR THE PEOPLE, TO INCLUDE OUR TRIBAL VOICES, TO COLLABORATE, TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE UNCOMFORTABLE, TO WORK TOWARDS HEALING, TO TELL ALL OUR STORIES, TO BUILD AND REBUILD RELATIONSHIPS. IT IS TIME TO GET STARTED ON THE NEXT STEP OF THIS PROCESS. IT WON'T BE EASY, BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN WITHOUT OUR VOTE OF SUPPORT TODAY. SO THANK YOU AGAIN. ALL OF YOU HAVE MADE THIS LEASE AGREEMENT EVEN BETTER, AND I ASK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR SUPPORT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VIRON. UM, AND I'LL JUST CLOSE, UH, BY AGAIN THANKING, UH, OUR COLLEAGUES, THANKING THE PUBLIC, UH, THANKING TEXAS, UH, FOR THE GREAT DELIBERATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING OVER THE YEARS, UH, IN THIS PROCESS. UH, AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, THERE'S VERY FEW DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE UP HERE THAT MIGHT BE REMEMBERED 5, 10, 50, OR A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. AND I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL OF THE GREAT WORK THAT'S BEEN, UH, OCCURRING OVER THE LAST DECADE, UH, OR MORE ON THIS PROJECT. UM, MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THE DIOCESE, GOING BACK, SEVERAL MAYORS, UM, MAYOR CASTRO, MAYOR TAYLOR, UH, NOW WE ARE HERE. I WANT TO THANK THE WORK, UH, AND THANK COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO FOR HIS STEWARDSHIP OF THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE FOR MANY YEARS, UH, ALONG WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, ERIC WALSH. ALL OF THAT WORK HAS BEEN ITERATIVE. YOU CAN GO BACK TO MAYOR, UM, HOWARD PEAK AS WELL. AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VIRON, UH, YOUR, UH, WORK IN THESE LAST, UH, MONTHS HAS BEEN, UH, REALLY INCREDIBLE, VERY WELL DONE. WE NOW HAVE A COLLABORATION MOVING FORWARD, DEDICATING TO, DEDICATED TO THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WILL REALLY, UM, I THINK, RESTORE, PRESERVE, AND DIGNIFY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES OF LAND IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. SO, WITH THAT, UH, I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE DISCUSSION TODAY AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORK AHEAD. UM, AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR. PLEASE VOTE. AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE NOW [5. 21-2916 Briefing and possible action on legislation filed in the 87th Regular State Legislative Session, an update on the status of proposed State legislation and its impact on the City of San Antonio. [Jeff Coyle, Assistant City Manager]] TO ITEM FIVE I. [03:45:04] ITEM FIVE IS A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON LEGISLATION FILED IN THE 87TH REGULAR STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION AND ITS IMPACT ON THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. COUNCILMAN PLIE, IF YOU WOULD GIMME A 1, 2, 3, THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL, SIR. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. OKAY. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT. OKAY. UM, ERIC, DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM OR WE TOSS THIS STRAIGHT TO JEFF? JEFF? OKAY. GO AHEAD, JEFF. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER ITEM STILL IN YOUR AGENDA, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO BE VERY QUICK IN, IN, UH, WORKING THROUGH AN UPDATE HERE ON THE STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION. OKAY. UH, I DON'T HAVE THE CLICKERS, SO IF YOU'LL, UH, SOME UPS AND DOWNS THIS WEEK. UH, LET ME START WITH THE UPS, UM, HOUSE BILL 1869, THE BILL THAT, UH, IS ARGUABLY THE BIGGEST THREAT ALL SESSION, MAYBE IN A CLOSE TIE WITH THE LOBBYING BILL. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WOULD ONLY ALLOW US TO CALCULATE AS PART OF OUR I N S TAX RATE, UH, DEBT THAT HAS BEEN VOTER APPROVED, SO BASIC, EFFECTIVELY DOING AWAY WITH COS AND TAX NOTES AND, AND ALL OTHER FINANCIAL TOOLS THAT HAVEN'T GONE TO THE VOTERS. UM, THE BILL WAS STUCK IN THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE FOR NEARLY FOUR WEEKS. UH, THIS WEEK, REPRESENTATIVE TREY MARTINEZ FISHER, UH, WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE AUTHOR OF THE BILL AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND ADDED AN AMENDMENT, UH, THAT, GO AHEAD DAVID, IF YOU'D DECIDE, ADDED SEVERAL THINGS TO IT. NUMBER ONE, REFINANCING OF OLD DEBT. UH, SELF-SUPPORTING DEBT THAT IS PAID WITH REVENUES OTHER THAN PROPERTY TAXES. UH, DEBT ISSUED FOR WATER, WASTEWATER, FLOOD CONTROL, DRAINAGE PROJECTS, DEBT ISSUED FOR STREETS, ROADS, AND HIGHWAYS. DO IT AGAIN. UH, DEBT ISSUED FOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS. OKAY. AND DEBT ISSUED FOR CYBERSECURITY THAT ADDRESSED ABOUT 90% OF, OF THE CITY'S ISSUES. UH, AND SO WE'RE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL TO REPRESENTATIVE MARTINEZ FISHER. THE BILL WAS VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE, AND, UH, AND WE'VE SHARED THE RESULTS WITH OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES WHO HAVE ALL BEEN EXPRESSING THEIR, UH, THEIR, UH, APPRECIATION. SO, LEMME MOVE ON TO THE LOWS. SENATE BILL 10. THIS IS THE BILL THAT WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM SPENDING ANY PUBLIC DOLLARS ON LOBBYING. UH, DESPITE A GOOD HEARING, A WEEK AND A HALF AGO, WE SHOWED UP AT THE CAPITOL MONDAY TO SEE THE SENATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE VOTE THAT BILL OUT OF COMMITTEE ALONG PARTY LINES FIVE TO FOUR. IT WAS PLACED IN THE SENATE IN INTENT CALENDAR. AND YESTERDAY THE VOTES WERE NOT THERE TO BRING IT UP IN THE SENATE. THE WAY IT WORKS IN THE SENATE IS YOU NEED MORE VOTES, UH, TO BRING A BILL UP THAN YOU ACTUALLY DO TO PASS IT, WHICH IS A SIMPLE MAJORITY. UH, THE VOTES WERE NOT THERE YESTERDAY. UNFORTUNATELY, TODAY, ONE OF THE, UH, MEMBERS WHO WAS, UH, SAID TO BE, UH, NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL, WAS NOT THERE. AND WITH ONE FEWER MEMBER ON THE SENATE FLOOR, THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAD THE VOTES TO BRING IT UP AND BROUGHT IT UP THIS MORNING. AS, AS WE'VE BEEN HERE, UH, IT HAS NOW PASSED THE FULL LEDGE OF THE FULL SENATE, EXCUSE ME, 1713 AGAIN ALONG PARTY LINES. AND SO THAT BILL IS GONNA BE HEADED TO THE HOUSE, UH, OF REPRESENTATIVES NOW, UM, A A NEW BILL THAT YOU HADN'T HEARD OF YET. IT WAS REALLY A, UH, A CAUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE BY SURPRISE BECAUSE IT WAS POSTED LATE SUNDAY, OR IS POSTED SUNDAY FOR A MONDAY HEARING, UH, PAIR OF BILLS ONE IN THE SENATE, ONE IN THE HOUSE THAT BASICALLY ALLOW ANY AREA OF THE E T J TO PETITION TO REMOVE ITSELF FROM A CITY'S E T J. IT HAS TWO DIFFERENT PROTOCOLS. IF IT'S AN AREA LESS THAN 200 IN POPULATION, IT'S A SIMPLE PETITION. A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE SIGN THE PETITION AND THEY AUTOMATICALLY REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM THE E T J. IF IT'S AN AREA LARGER THAN 200 PEOPLE, IT IS A 5% PETITION THRESHOLD. AND WHAT THAT WOULD DO WOULD REQUIRE THE CITY AT ITS EXPENSE TO HOLD AN ELECTION IN THAT AREA AND ALLOW THE AREA TO VOTE TO REMOVE ITSELF FROM THE E T J. ANY AREA THAT WOULD REMOVE ITSELF FROM THE E T J WOULD NO LONGER BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S REGULATIONS AS IT RELATES TO WATER QUALITY WATER CONSERVATION IN A DROUGHT. UH, THE STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR DEVELOPMENT TO, TO PREVENT FLOODING, TREE PRESERVATION, UH, SUBDIVISION PLATTING, INCLUDING THE WIDTH OF ROADS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S, THEY'RE WIDE ENOUGH FOR TRAFFIC AND, AND ALL OF THE PROTECTIONS FOR OUR MILITARY BASES THAT WE FOUGHT FOR IN PAST SESSIONS. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS THE ONLY OPPOSITION THAT STOOD UP, UH, LATE MONDAY NIGHT AT A HEARING. [03:50:01] AND THEN TUESDAY MORNING, WE DID GET SUPPORT FROM SAWS FROM THE GREATER EDWARDS AQUIFER ALLIANCE FROM J B S A, FROM THE CHAMBER, ACTUALLY BOTH OF THE LARGE CHAMBERS HERE. UM, BUT FROM, IN OUR ESTIMATION, MANY OTHER CITIES WERE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS. WE'VE SINCE ELEVATED IT WITH THEM, AND WE ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION, I BELIEVE, LATER TODAY WITH ONE OF THE LOBBYISTS WHO BROUGHT THIS BILL TO THE HOUSE AUTHOR. WE UNDERSTAND IT IS ALL BASED AROUND A, UH, MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT IN AUSTIN'S E T J. AND SO WE'RE GONNA STRONGLY DISCOURAGE THEM FROM, FROM PUSHING SOMETHING STATEWIDE THAT WOULD HAVE SUCH FAR REACHING IMPLICATIONS. UM, WE HAD OUR HEARING THIS WEEK ON 2365. THAT'S THE BA SS C BILL THAT WOULD, UH, HELP THEM BILL STATE MEDICAID FOR CIVILIAN, UH, TRAUMA PATIENTS. THEY TREAT. I'LL BE CANDID WITH YOU, IT WAS A ROUGH BILL, A ROUGH HEARING, I SHOULD SAY. UH, REPRESENTATIVE LOPEZ, UH, DID A GREAT JOB LAYING IT OUT. UH, COUNCILMAN PERRY CAME UP AND TESTIFIED AND, AND DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, BAMS C CHOSE NOT TO SEND A REPRESENTATIVE, AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, UH, ABOUT HOW THIS ALL WORKS IN TERMS OF THE BILLING WITH MEDICAID. AND A, UH, H H S C HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION STAFF PERSON WAS CALLED UP AND, AND SHE PROMPTLY SAID, WELL, ACTUALLY, B A M C'S ALREADY A MEDICAID PROVIDER, WHICH CREATED A LOT OF CONFUSION. UM, WE HAVE SINCE FOLLOWED UP WITH B A S C AND SENT, UH, IN WRITING AN EXPLANATION THAT YES, THEY ARE A MEDICAID PROVIDER, BUT THEY'RE DESIGNATED A NON-PARTICIPATING HOSPITAL, AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE. SO REPRESENTATIVE LOPEZ HAS THAT LANGUAGE NOW AND IS SHOPPING IT TO THE MEMBERS, UH, IN HOPES OF GETTING THAT BILL ON TRACK. BUT, UH, IT, IT DID NOT GO AS WELL AS WE WOULD'VE HOPED. AND THEN FINALLY, HOUSE BILL 37 77 IS A BILL THAT PROHIBITS PUBLIC ENTITIES FROM, UH, LEASING, FROM WORKING WITH NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO REHAB HISTORIC STRUCTURES. IT PREVENTS SPECIFICALLY THE USE OF HISTORIC TAX CREDITS. UH, AND, UM, ERICA RAGSDALE FROM OUR CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE TESTIFIED ABOUT OUR CONCERNS THAT THAT WOULD UNDO, UH, SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS IN FINANCE FOR THE, UH, FINANCING FOR THE ALAMEDA PROJECT THAT'S UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE SINCE GOTTEN IN WRITING FROM THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE THIS BILL WOULD APPLY TO THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, OR OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE PARTNER WITH A NONPROFIT. THEY EXPRESSED THAT THE CONCERN WAS MAKING SURE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES DON'T USE A NONPROFIT TO REHAB A STRUCTURE WE OWN, AND THEN LEASE IT BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT ENTITY AT A SAVINGS SINCE WE ARE TAX EXEMPT ENTITIES. SO WE'RE WORKING TO TRY TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE. UM, OH, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I WAS DONE. TWO, TWO QUICK THINGS ON THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY FRONT. YESTERDAY, HOUSE BILL 1561 WAS PASSED OUT OF URBAN AFFAIRS. THAT'S THE ONE THAT ALLOWS US FIVE EXTRA POINTS FOR LOCAL CANDIDATES TO THE ACADEMY. UNFORTUNATELY, AND SURPRISINGLY, HOUSE BILL 10 87 WAS NOT ON THE LIST OF BILLS BEING VOTED OUT YESTERDAY. WE DON'T KNOW WHY. WE'VE BEEN ASKING, UH, CHAIRMAN CORTEZ, WHY IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP FOR A HEARING. AND, AND WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO YOU THE OTHER TWO BILLS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT. ALL FOUR OF THESE FROM REPRESENTATIVE GERVIN HAWKINS HAVE NOT YET BEEN SET FOR A HEARING, AND IT'S VERY LATE IN THE SESSION AT THIS POINT. FINALLY, I JUST WANNA BRING THIS TO YOUR AWARENESS. WE DID THE SAME WITH I G R YESTERDAY. UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BILLS YOU MAY HAVE READ ABOUT MOVING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE THAT HAVE TO DO WITH TRANSGENDER, UH, FIRST OF ALL, PARTICIPATION IN SPORTS, AND THEN ALSO A PROHIBITION ON, UH, MEDICAL TREATMENTS AND PROCEDURES TO HELP WITH GENDER REASSIGNMENTS AND TRANSITIONS. UM, THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS, IS, UH, THE NCAA ISSUED A NATIONAL STATEMENT THIS WEEK, UH, EXPRESSING THEIR UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORT FOR TRANSGENDER STUDENT ATHLETES PARTICIPATING IN NCAA EVENTS. UH, THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT WHAT THEY WILL ONLY HOLD CHAMPIONSHIPS IN STATES WHERE THERE IS NOT DISCRIMINATORY LEGISLATION OR LAWS, I SHOULD SAY. UM, OF ALL THOSE BILLS ON THE LIST, THE ONLY ONE THAT IS MOVING IS SENATE BILL 29. IT ACTUALLY PASSED THE SENATE YESTERDAY, AND THAT BILL DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY DEAL WITH COLLEGE SPORTS. IT DEALS WITH CHARTER SCHOOL AND PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS. IT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT A STUDENT MUST HAVE SHOW A BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT HAS BEEN UNALTERED, UH, AND, AND MUST COMPETE IN THE, UH, CATEGORY TO WHICH, UH, THEIR, THEIR GENDER, UH, AT BIRTH, UM, ALIGNS. UH, WE, WE ARE TRYING TO SEEK CLARITY FROM THE NCAA ABOUT WHETHER, UH, ABOUT HOW FAR THEIR, UH, CONCERNS, UH, EXTEND AROUND THIS ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S SPECIFICALLY COLLEGE SPORTS OR ALL SPORTS. UH, AND I'LL SAY WE'RE TALKING WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS IN THE TOURISM INDUSTRY AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AT LARGE HERE, UH, ABOUT HOW, HOW, [03:55:01] AND IF WE ENGAGE ON THIS ISSUE. BUT I WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THERE'S NOT A COUNCIL MEETING NEXT WEEK, SO WE WON'T BE IN FRONT OF YOU GIVING A BRIEFING THEN, AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UH, YOU KNEW WE WERE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS. AND I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR HAPPILY STEP OUT OF THE WAY AND LET YOU MOVE ON TO THE REST OF THE AGENDA. THANKS. THANK YOU, JEFF. UH, ARE THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OH, THAT'S RIGHT. WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I'M SORRY, JACK. UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THIS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, JACK FINGER? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. JACK, THIS IS MR. MAYOR PRO TIM, THE MEMBERS OF THE SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JACK M. FINGER. YES. UH, TAXES, TAX CREDITS, ANNEXATION, THESE, THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT, UH, YOU, THE CITY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT, UH, YOU HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU HAVE, UH, USED A TAXPAYER PAID, UH, LOBBYISTS TO, TO LOBBY UNFORTUNATELY TOO MANY TIMES AGAINST OUR INTEREST AS TAXPAYERS. WE, OF COURSE, AS TAXPAYERS, WE DON'T LIKE OUR TAXES GOING TO PAY FOR LOBBYISTS WHO LOBBY AGAINST OUR INTEREST AS TAXPAYERS. WE THINK THAT SHOULD STOP. AND, UH, YES, WE, UH, WE DON'T LIKE, UH, QUITE FRANKLY, DID HAVE YOU ALSO LOOKED AT THE IDEA OF USING YOUR LEGIS STATE LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVES TO IMPROVE EDUCATION IN THE ONLY REAL MANNER THAT EDUCATION HAS BEEN KNOWN TO BE IMPROVED BY, AND THAT IS THROUGH THE COMPETITION CAUSED BY SCHOOL CHOICE. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA OF TAX DOLLARS FOLLOWING THE STUDENT, I DON'T SEE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PUSHING THAT ONE, EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD PUT IT IN YOUR LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVES. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING Y'ALL DO THAT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY OTHER CITIZENS SIGNED UP. DO ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO ASK JEFF? OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, JEFF, FOR, FOR THE UPDATE. GREAT WORK ON BEHALF OF, UH, OF YOU, THE TEAM, AND, UH, APPARENTLY A REPRESENTATIVE, UH, TREY MARTINEZ FISHER. ALSO, UH, I'D LIKE AN UPDATE ON 1261 SB 1261, THE VOTING BILL, I'M SORRY. REMIND ME, UH, THE BILLS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH VOTING AS WELL AS THE ONE THAT HAS THAT WOULD PREEMPT THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. UH, GOOD QUESTION. I DIDN'T CHECK THAT BEFORE. I, IT HADN'T BEEN SOMETHING THAT I'D SEEN MOVE THIS WEEK. OKAY. UM, BUT WHY DON'T I, I'LL GET AN UPDATE ON BOTH OF THOSE AND, AND SEND IT TO THE COUNCIL IF THAT WORKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. OKAY. COUNCILMAN ELIAS? OKAY, LET'S TRY IT AGAIN, GUYS. CAN, UH, WE HEAR YOU? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN. OKAY. WE HEAR YOU . HE'S ASKING ME TO, UH, TALK ABOUT TRAY MARTINEZ FISHER AND HIS FLEXING FOR US WHEN WE NEED IT. , UM, CHAIRMAN, UH, REPRESENTATIVE MARTINEZ FISHER, UH, PLAYS THE GAME AT A LEVEL THAT NOT MANY OTHERS DO. I WILL JUST SAY THAT. AND, AND EVERY SESSION HE HAS COME TO, UM, HELP US ON A DIFFICULT ISSUE THAT IS NOT SEXY AND DOES NOT GENERATE A LOT OF ATTENTION, BUT REALLY CRITICALLY HELPS THE CITY. THAT WAS THE CASE HERE. THAT DEBT BILL, UH, MANY OTHERS HAD TRIED TO, TO GET EXEMPTIONS ADDED INTO IT THAT HELPED ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF NOT JUST CITIES AND COUNTIES, BUT, UH, THE VARIOUS INDUSTRIES THAT RELY ON, ON, UH, CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIKE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS AND BOND COUNCIL AND ALL SORTS OF FOLKS. AND, UH, HE WAS ABLE TO WORK HIS MAGIC AGAIN, UH, WITH THE AUTHOR TO GET A LOT OF THINGS IN THERE. SO, AS I MENTIONED, I SHARED, UH, THE RESULTS WITH OTHER CITIES AFTER THE FACT, AND THEY WERE ALL VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE. AND, AND I THINK WE, WE ALL ONCE AGAIN, OWE REPRESENTATIVE MARTINEZ FISHER A DEBT OF GRATITUDE FOR HIS, HIS WORK. WELL, WE HAVE TO WATCH THIS NOW AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T GET UNDONE. THAT'S A CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT PIECE. BUT, UM, UH, THANKS FOR YOUR QUESTION, CHAIRMAN. YEAH. AND THEN IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, [04:00:01] UM, UH, JUST CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, WHAT THIS TRANSGENDER, UH, SPORTS BILL, UM, COULD MEAN FOR US AS FAR AS FUTURE EVENTS IN SAN ANTONIO AND WHY WE OUGHT TO BE NERVOUS? I THINK, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LEMME STATE THE OBVIOUS. WE HAVE THE FINAL FOUR HERE IN 2025. UM, I BELIEVE HOUSTON HAS IT IN 2023. THERE'S A COLLEGE FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2024, I THINK IN DALLAS OR HOUSTON, THAT, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MAJOR NCAA EVENT AND NCAA EVENTS IN THE STATE IN THE COMING YEARS. UM, WE'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE HAD TO DO IN 2017 WITH THE BATHROOM BILL, WHICH IS INTERPRET THE IMPLICATIONS. UH, WHAT THE NCAA HAS SAID VERY CLEARLY IS THEY, THEY, UH, THEY WILL, UH, DEFEND THEIR RIGHT FOR ATHLETES TO PARTICIPATE, UM, NUMBER ONE, UH, AT ALL COSTS. AND NUMBER TWO, THAT THEY WILL NOT HOLD EVENTS IN STATES THAT, UM, UH, THAT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THEIR STUDENT ATHLETES. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION THERE AND, AND HOW DIRECTLY THAT RELATES TO THE BILLS THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT. IT WAS DEFINITELY NOT A STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO TEXAS LEGISLATION. IT WAS A NATIONAL STATEMENT. AND SUPPOSEDLY THERE ARE SOME, SOME 30 STATES WHO ARE CONSIDERING, UM, UH, ANTI TRANSGENDER LEGISLATION OF SOME SORT RIGHT NOW. SO THE SHORT ANSWER, COUNCILMAN, IS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF IT. IT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT A ITEM IN OUR AGENDA RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT, UH, WITH THE BATHROOM BILL DISCUSSION OF 2017 FRESHLY ON OUR MINDS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE THAT THAT WAS HAPPENING AND, AND, UH, AND THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, IF ANY POSITION, UM, WE SHOULD BE TAKING THANKS. AND I'LL MAKE A PARENTHESES RIGHT HERE. I KNOW THAT JEFF, YOUR T V S A, UH, FOLKS AND THE AV FOLKS ARE WORKING REALLY HARD TO GET ME PIPED, UH, IN THERE SO YOU CAN HEAR ME. AND SO THANKS TO ALL THE GUYS AND, UH, OUT THERE WHO ARE WORKING ON THIS. I, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. UM, JEFF, UH, I WAS MONITORING THAT HEARING, UH, REGARDING THE TRANSGENDERED BILL AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER PEOPLE FALL ON THE ISSUE OF TRANSGENDERED, UM, ATHLETES. I POINT OUT A REALLY INTERESTING, UM, CONVERSATION THAT HAPPENED ON THE DAIS BETWEEN THE, THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL, UH, SENATOR CHARLES PERRY FROM LUBBOCK, AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGERS TO THE BILL SENATOR WHITMER FROM HOUSTON. AND, UM, SENATOR WHITMEYER FROM HOUSTON. IT'S A FASCINATING VIDEO TO WATCH FOLKS. UM, HE, YOU KNOW, ASKED SENATOR LUBBOCK, UH, THE SENATOR FROM LUBBOCK, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU CITE A SINGLE INSTANCE OF TRANSGENDER BOYS BEATING GIRLS AND WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS? AND SENATOR PERRY'S ANSWER WAS, LOOK, THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING, OR THAT IT IS HAPPENING, ISN'T THE ISSUE, THE POINT IS THAT IT MIGHT HAPPEN AND THAT PEOPLE THINK IT'S HAPPENING . UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING UP THERE WITH AUSTIN. JEFF, I DON'T ENVY YOU. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, CULTURE, WAR POLITICS THAT IS ADVANCING ZERO, UH, SOLUTIONS FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO. AND, UH, THEY'RE DOING IT AT THE RISK OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HURTING OUR ECONOMY. AND SO, UM, THANK YOU TO TRAY MARTINEZ FISHER, THANK YOU TO BARBARA GERWIN HAWKINS, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY UP THERE WHO'S FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT FOR US. UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. UM, MAYOR, THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PIAS, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, JEFF, SO I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ON H B 10, UM, AND HOW DOES THE GOVERNOR'S APPOINTMENT OF THE NEW P U C PLAY OUT OR THE ROLE PLAY OUT IN THE MOVING OR THE CONVERSATION WITH H B 10 WHEN IT COMES TO ERCOT? YEAH, IT'S REALLY, UH, THAT'S REALLY SORT OF A, A STATE GOVERNANCE KIND OF ISSUE. IT, IT, UH, IT EXPANDS, IF I RECALL, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT EXPANDS THE, UH, THE P U C BOARD FROM THREE TO FIVE. I THINK IT REQUIRES THAT THEY BE IN STATE. UM, SO, SO IT'S REALLY SORT OF A STATE GOVERNANCE ISSUE. UH, AND ACTUALLY I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK, BUT I THINK IT MAY ALSO, UM, NOT HAVE IT EXCLUSIVELY BE THE APPOINTMENTS OF THE GOVERNOR, BUT RATHER SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. AND, AND I CAN FOLLOW UP AND SEND THAT TO YOU. WE DID HAVE A VERY THOROUGH BRIEFING ON ALL OF THE ENERGY RELATED BILLS AT I G R YESTERDAY. UM, AND, AND IT WAS SIMILAR, I THINK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE AT THE FULL COUNCIL. THERE'S ISSUES AROUND WINTERIZATION AND STATEWIDE ALERT SYSTEMS AND, AND SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MARKET, UH, THAT WE OPERATE IN. BUT, BUT A LOT OF THAT IS REALLY UNSETTLED AT THIS POINT. SO THAT BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION, AND, AND I KNOW I KIND OF, UH, SENT, UM, SOME QUESTIONS TO THE MAYOR TO YOU AS IT RELATES TO, UM, WHY WE ARE THE ONLY STATE THAT IS CONTINUING TO CONTRIBUTE AS A DONOR STATE, UH, TO, TO THE TRANSPORTATION AND HIGHWAY FUND [04:05:01] OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND IF WE ARE LOOKING AT BILLS AND, AND LEGISLATION THAT SPEAK TO, UM, MAKING SURE THAT OUR CITIZENS AREN'T HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BILLS DUE TO THIS WINTER STORM AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE DONATING AND, AND, AND JUST TRANSFERRING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO REALLY PROTECT OUR CUS OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR, AND OUR CONSTITUENTS. AND SO, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY BILLS THAT ARE RELATED TO SEEING IF WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO NOT BE THE ONLY DONOR STATE OR, UM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TO, TO GET MORE OF THAT MONEY COMING BACK TO THE STATE OF TEXAS? YEAH, I, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RIGHT NOW. IT'S OFTEN BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE, THE TEXAS DELEGATION AS A WHOLE HAS CRIED ABOUT, WHICH IS THE, THE IDEA THAT MORE OF OUR, UM, CRIED OUT ABOUT, I SHOULD SAY, NOT CRIED, UM, THAT MORE OF OUR TAX DOLLARS GO TO DC THAN WE, THAN WE RECEIVE BACK. IT'S BASED ON, UH, REALLY COMPLICATED FORMULA THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF OUR URBAN CENTERS AND HOW FAR APART THEY ARE AND HOW MUCH INTERSTATE TRAFFIC FLOWS THROUGH, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SERIOUS CONVERSATION THOUGH IN CONGRESS RIGHT NOW TO FIX THAT. EVEN WITH THE ENTIRE TEXAS DELEGATION BANDING TOGETHER, THEY STILL ARE A SMALL NUMBER COMPARED TO THE OVERALL MAKEUP OF CONGRESS. AND, AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN A, A SERIOUS DEBATE. OKAY. WELL, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING STARTED AT LEAST HERE ON THE, ON THE SAN ANTONIO LEVEL TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO SEE THOSE DOLLARS COMING BACK, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH LOOKING AT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CRISIS DURING THE WINTER STORM AND WHAT THOSE BILLS ARE STILL OUTSTANDING. UM, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH HB SIX, WHICH IS THE ELECTION INTEGRITY BILL. YEAH. UM, AND IF YOU CAN JUST PROVIDE MAYBE A FEW MOMENTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON. WE ARE, UM, AND, AND HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ELECTION PROCESS HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS CONTINUED, UM, TO, TO BE HELD UP TO PAR AND IT EVEN MADE BETTER THROUGH HOW WE CAN, CAN WORK AROUND THIS PARTICULAR BILL. YES. UH, H P SIX IS THE HOUSE VERSION OF THE ELECTION INTEGRITY BILL, AS IT'S BEEN CALLED. UH, SB SEVEN IS THE SENATE VERSION. AND THAT PASSED, THE SENATE MOVED OVER TO THE HOUSE. IF YOU RECALL, IT TALKED ABOUT HOW THE HOUSE CHAIR HAD SORT OF A DUST UP IN COMMITTEE AND CANCELED ABRUPTLY, AND THAT CAUSED THEM TO START OVER. THAT HEARING WAS THEN RE HELD, I BELIEVE. AND, UH, I DON'T THINK THE BILL HAS MADE IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE HOUSE FLOOR YET FOR DISCUSSION. MORE THAN LIKELY THE SENATE BILL MAY COME OVER AND GET PICKED UP AND THAT BE THE VEHICLE THAT MOVE. UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN REGULAR DIALOGUE WITH THE COUNTY THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, SINCE IT'S A COUNTY FUNCTION, THEY HAVE OPPOSED THAT LEGISLATION AND WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, FALLEN IN LINE WITH THEM, UH, IN TERMS OF THEIR POSITION ON IT. WELL, THANK YOU, JEFF, AND THANK YOU TO ALL OUR LEGISLATIVE TEAM FOR CONTINUING TO DO THE WORK OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND REALLY LISTENING TO THOSE WHO ARE SPEAKING, WHICH ARE OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND THOSE WHO, UM, PUT FORTH THEIR VOTES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE HEARD. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VIRON. OKAY. UM, WE, THAT'S IT. I'M SORRY IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY ALREADY COUNT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE HERE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE. UH, NO VOTE. THERE WAS NO VOTE. OKAY. THAT'S TECHNOLOGICAL ARTIFACT IN MY IPAD HERE. UM, ALRIGHT. THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. UH, ITEM FIVE WAS JUST FOR DISCUSSION THEN. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON NOW. APOLOGIZE. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO ITEM 20. [20. 21-2838 Ordinance establishing a Source of Income Anti-Discrimination Policy in connection with Housing Vouchers, providing for penalties and an effective date. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R.] ITEM 20 IS AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING A SOURCE OF INCOME, ANTI-DISCRIMINATION POLICY IN CONNECTION WITH HOUSING VOUCHERS, PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON, UH, ITEM 20. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FLIES. YOU PULLED THIS ITEM. DO YOU WANNA HEAR THE PRESENTATION FIRST? UM, NO. I, I, I THINK ALL OF US APPRECIATE IT. UH, SO I MEAN, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO JUDGE IN THE COMMENT IF, IF, UH, IF THAT'S OKAY, UNLESS STAFF WANTS TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVEN'T ALREADY SEEN UP TO YOU ALL. LORI, GO, GO STRAIGHT TO DISCUSSION. YOU GO STRAIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. ALL ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. COUNCILS MEMBER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I VETO, I SPOKE, I SPOKE TO YOUR STAFF ABOUT THIS, UM, LAST WEEK, THE WEEK BEFORE LAST. UM, AND I UNDERSTOOD FROM TALKING TO THEM THAT THIS WAS THE PRODUCT OF, OF THE HOUSING AND POLICY FRAMEWORK. SO I, I WENT TO THE HOUSING AND POLICY FRAMEWORK AND I'VE GOT IT HERE IN FRONT OF ME. UM, AND IN THERE IT SAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE PRIORITIES AND UNDER [04:10:01] EACH PRIORITY THERE IS A STRATEGY, RIGHT? SO POLICY PRIORITY, AND THE ONE I'M PICKING OUT HERE IS REDUCE HOUSING DISCRIMINATION AND EXPAND OPPORTUNITY. THE ONLY, ONLY STRATEGY IS IMPLEMENT A CITYWIDE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND OUTREACH CAMPAIGN ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING. NOWHERE IN THIS DOCUMENT DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT USING A STICK AS OPPOSED TO A CARROT. IN FACT, IT'S REALLY EXPLICIT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING CARROTS. UM, AND NOWHERE DOES IT IN SAY, DOES IT SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA PENALIZE PEOPLE. I, I, I'D ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO GO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE THAT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO US TODAY. IT DOESN'T SAY, UM, ANYTHING ABOUT CARROTS. ALL IT IS, IS, UH, I MEAN, IN FACT, THE ONLY ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, AND THIS THIS JUMPED OUT AT ME AND IT FLOORED ME, IS THAT A VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE SHALL CONSTITUTE A CRIMINAL OFFENSE PUNISHABLE BY A PUNISHABLE, BY A FINE. UM, AND SO WE'RE GONNA CHARGE PEOPLE WITH CRIMES. UM, AND SO I THEN ASKED YOUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, WELL, TELL ME, CAN YOU CITE A SINGLE EXAMPLE? AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS VERY DELIBERATE OF ME, UH, WHEN JEFF COYLE WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TRANSGENDER BILL WHEN, UH, SENATOR WHITMER ASKED, UH, SENATOR PERRY, YOU KNOW, DID YOU, CAN YOU CITE A SINGLE EXAMPLE? AND HIS ANSWER WAS, WELL, LOOK, IT'S NOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT, WHAT HAPPENING OR NOT HAPPENING. THE POINT IS THAT IT MIGHT HAPPEN AND THAT PEOPLE THINK IT'S HAPPENING. AND SO FOR US, IT'S MORE OF A VALUE STATEMENT. I ASKED YOUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU CITE A SINGLE EXAMPLE? NOPE, WE CAN'T CITE A SINGLE, SINGLE EXAMPLE. UM, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW IT MIGHT BE HAPPENING, RIGHT? AND THEN I SAID, WELL, WAIT A SECOND. UM, WE DON'T PASS POLICY THAT WAY AROUND HERE. WE DON'T SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT DON'T EXIST. SO WHAT IS THIS? AND ONE OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS SAID, WELL, REALLY COUNCILMAN, THIS IS MORE OF A VALUES STATEMENT. I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE VALUE STATEMENT THAT I'VE SEEN PASS THROUGH THIS COUNCIL IN FOUR YEARS THAT CONSTITUTES A CRIME AND THAT WE'RE GONNA BE FINDING PEOPLE AND TAKING THEIR MONEY. AND THAT IF THEY VIOLATE OUR VALUE STATEMENT, THEY GOTTA GO EXPLAIN THEMSELVES TO A MUNICIPAL JUDGE. THIS OFFENDS ME AT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT LEVELS. ONE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SOLVING A PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU GUYS CAN'T EVEN IDENTIFY A PROBLEM. YOU'VE GOT THIS LOOSEY GOOSEY 57%, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, OR, OR IS IT THIS THREE WEEK STATISTIC? AND I SAID, OKAY, FINE. I GET IT. YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE TO WAIT THREE WEEKS ON AVERAGE TO GET THEIR APARTMENTS. IS THERE A CO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SUGGEST THAT THERE'S A CAUSAL NEXUS BETWEEN THAT WAIT TIME AND DISCRIMINATION YOUR STAFF? NO, NOT REALLY. THERE IS NO, NO CAUSAL NEXUS. AND SO I, I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NAME FOR THIS KIND OF POLICY MAKING. THIS IS CALLED A STRAW MAN FALLACY POLICY, UM, WHERE YOU BUILD UP A SCARY PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST AND THEN YOU HEROICALLY SAVE THE DAY WITH A BOLD SOLUTION AND HOPE, UM, THAT NONE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WILL EVER BOTHER TO ASK THE QUESTION, WELL, WAIT, WAS THERE REALLY A PROBLEM HERE? RIGHT. AND THEN WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN DC, AND WE SEE THIS IN DC ALL THE TIME, AND WE'RE SEEING IT PLAY OUT IN, IN, IN, UH, THE STATE LEGISLATURE, IS THAT AFTER THEY'VE DEFEATED THE STRAW MAN, THEN OFFICIALS GO OUT THERE AND TAKE THESE SELF-CONGRATULATORY, YOU KNOW, UH, VICTORY LAPSE, THEN CLAIM TO BE ON THE SIDE OF LIGHT AND GOODNESS. AND THERE'S A NAME FOR THAT Y'ALL. THAT SORY, RIGHT? THIS HONESTY, AND I, I, I'M NOT GONNA PARTICIPATE IN THIS. I THINK THIS IS REALLY BAD POLICY, PARTICULARLY WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THIS ARE 50% OF THE PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO TENANTS, AND THEN THE OTHERS ARE LANDLORDS. WHEN THE LANDLORDS ARE TELLING US, WAIT, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE NOT BEING COMPLETELY, UM, UH, YOU'RE NOT TELLING THE COMPLETE STORY HERE, RIGHT? AND YOU'VE ONLY LISTENED TO THREE NONPROFITS, NONE OF WHICH ANY OF US HAVE REALLY EVER, YOU KNOW, MET. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, PLEASE SLOW, SLOW YOUR ROLE HERE AND TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS. 'CAUSE THIS MAKES NO SENSE. NONE OF US DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I SEE THIS MEMO COME OUT, UH, VETO THAT Y'ALL SENT TO ERIC. THAT'S THEIR, THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY PROTEST A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH HERE. YOU KNOW, A SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION. IT'S JUST A TERM OF ART. WHAT'S, THERE'S NOTHING OBJECTIONABLE ABOUT IT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, COMPLETELY DISMISSING THE WAY THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WAIT A SECOND, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST PEOPLE. THAT'S NOT COOL. RIGHT? AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND MATCH IT UP WITH THE FACT, WITH THE WORD CRIMINAL JUMPING OUT THERE. NOW, I WAS TEXTING EARLIER WITH, UH, EARLIER TODAY, BEFORE THIS MEETING, ANDY, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, UH, WITH SOMEBODY ON THE MAYOR'S STAFF. AND, YOU KNOW, SHE, SHE'S TELLING ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, DON'T WORRY, COUNCILMAN, THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, AN ENFOR. THE IMPORTANT, THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS WILL BE PROGRESSIVE IN NATURE AND FINES, UM, WILL ONLY BE FOR REPEAT VIOLATORS. I, YOU KNOW, I, THAT DOESN'T ASAGE ME AT ALL WHEN I SEE THE WORDS CRIMINAL OFFENSE PUNISHABLE BY A FINE NON EXCEEDING $500. SO I HAVE YET TO BE CONVINCED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME, UM, THAT IS GONNA REASSURE ME [04:15:01] THAT, UM, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. WE REALLY ARE SOLVING A CRIME EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NO EV OR SOLVING, SOLVING A PROBLEM, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT IT EXISTS, THAT IT EXISTS, UH, OR FOR THAT MATTER WHY IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO CHA, YOU KNOW, TO THREATEN OUR PARTNERS IN THIS EFFORT WITH A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHY WOULD I AS A DEVELOPER WANNA PARTICIPATE WITH YOU IF YOU'RE OUT THERE ALREADY LOADING A GUN AND PUTTING IT UP AGAINST MY HEAD? THAT'S NOT SAN ANTONIO GUYS. I CAN'T THINK OF A, OF A WORSE WAY TO DO POLICY. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HATE GOVERNMENT AND I DON'T WANNA BE A PART OF THIS. AND SO, UM, I GOT SENT UP HERE TO EFFECT CHANGE, NOT TO IMPLEMENT WOKE POLICY THAT GIVES ME STREET CRED WITH THREE, UM, YOU KNOW, NONPROFITS. UM, SO THAT WE CAN THEN SAY WE SOLVED A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST. UH, AND SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ANSWER TO THAT, BUT YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE MY SUPPORT ON THIS ONE, SIR. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS. THERE'S QUITE A BIT TO UNPACK THERE. SO WHY DON'T WE START WITH THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK. UM, IN THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK, WHICH WERE CONVERSATIONS HELD IN THE COMMUNITY FROM 2017 AND 2018, WITH THE FINAL REPORT IN 2018, THERE ARE ACTUALLY SPECIFIC POLICY PRIORITIES LISTED THAT ADDRESS THIS KIND OF ISSUE. SO ON PAGE 11 OF THE REPORT, I HAVE IT AS WELL, I CARRY IT ALMOST EVERYWHERE. THERE'S ACTION. THREE OUT OF THE MAIN FIVE ACTIONS IDENTIFIED THAT SPEAK TO INCREASING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRODUCTION, REHAB AND PRESERVATION. THE SECOND POLICY PRIORITY LISTED THERE SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT CREATING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. I THINK WE COULD ARGUE THAT THE HOLDERS OF VOUCHERS AND THOSE SORTS OF INCOME, UH, ARE INDEED VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, UM, PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF WHO THE VOUCHER HOLDERS ARE. UM, AND BECAUSE OF THE INCOME LEVELS OF THESE PARTICULAR PEOPLE. AND SO WE HAVE POLICY PRIORITY TO CREATE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS. FURTHER, THE FOURTH ACTION UNDER THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK, WHICH IS ABOUT PROTECTING AND PROMOTING NEIGHBORHOODS, HAS ANOTHER POLICY PRIORITY THAT SPEAKS TO THIS ISSUE. AND THERE, THE SECOND POLICY PRIORITY LISTED TALKS ABOUT THIS IS QUOTE, REDUCE HOUSING DISCRIMINATION AND EXPAND OPPORTUNITY. THE SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION IS CLEARLY ALIGNED WITH THIS, UH, SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION IS A TERM USED BY HOUSING PRACTITIONERS. SO IT'S NOT A TERM WE ARE, STAFF LOCALLY CREATED SOMETHING USED THROUGHOUT THE NATION. IT'S HOW THESE KIND OF LAWS AND ORDINANCE ARE NAMED. SO IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT IT DOES CREATE THAT CONFUSION. UH, BUT DISCRIMINATION IS EXPLICITLY LISTED IN THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK, AND IT CALLS FOR REDUCING DISCRIMINATION AND EXPANDING OPPORTUNITY SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. BETTER. I, I HATE INTERRUPTING YOU. I HATE INTERRUPTING YOU, BUT I, I THINK THAT IN THE INTEREST OF COMPLETENESS AND, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENCY, YOU'VE JUST READ ONE LINE TO US, REDUCE HOUSING DISCRIMINATION AND EXPAND OPPORTUNITY. I TOTALLY AGREE. I'M SEEING THAT LANGUAGE. PLEASE DO US THE, THE COURTESY OF READING US, THE VERY NEXT LINE, THE STRATEGY ON HOW WE'RE GONNA ACCOMPLISH THAT. SURE. IT'S PAGE 11 OF THE REPORT. AND IN THE REPORT, THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK, THE POLICIES AND STRATEGIES DON'T ALL ALIGN. EXACTLY. SO IT DOES HAVE THAT AS THE SECOND POLICY PRIORITY. BUT A STRATEGY UNDER THE ACTION IS TO IMPLEMENT CITYWIDE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND OUTREACH CAMPAIGNS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HOUSING. UM, BUT IT IS LISTED, UH, AS THE POLICY PRIORITY HERE. AND SO DOES THAT, AND I'M SORRY AGAIN FOR INTERRUPTING YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU JUST SAID TO US WAS, HEY, THIS IS TOTALLY IN LINE WITH THE STRATEGY. DOES HE, DOES IT SOUND TO YOU LIKE A STRATEGY PROPOSING A CRIMINAL OFFENSE? DOES THAT SOUND LIKE IT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO JIVING WITH THE FOLLOWING WORDS? IMPLEMENT A CITYWIDE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND OUTREACH CAMPAIGN. COUNCIL MEMBER, THIS IS LORI HOUSTON. I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING. FIRST, I WANNA ADD CLARITY. THIS SOURCE OF INCOME AND DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE PROJECTS THAT RECEIVE INCENTIVES FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND IF YOU'RE GONNA RECEIVE INCENTIVES FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE HOUSING VOUCHER PROGRAM. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS WE HAVE IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THAT VULNERABLE POPULATION. AND IF OUR INCENTIVES ARE HELPING THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROGRAM. SECOND, THERE'S THE HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. WE HAVE OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING EFFORT THAT'S UNDERWAY. WE'VE BEEN PRESENTING THE PLANT TO THE PLANNING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL COMMITTEE OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF. SO THAT IS TAKING THE HOUSING FRAMEWORK THAT WE JUST SPOKE ABOUT, TAKING THAT, AND THEN ADDING ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES. THIS SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE WAS SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES TO COME ABOUT IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. AND SO IT MAY NOT BE REFERENCED IN THE HOUSING [04:20:01] POLICY FRAMEWORK, BUT IT'S BEEN REFERENCED NUMEROUS TIMES IN OUR WORK IN CREATING THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. SO, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I KNOW MY TIME IS UP, MAYOR, SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL STOP WITH THIS COMMENT. I ASKED YOU BOTH A VERY, VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION. DOES IT SOUND LIKE PROPOSING A CRIMINAL OFFENSE JIVES WITH THE FOLLOWING WORDS, IMPLEMENTING A CITYWIDE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND OUTREACH CAMPAIGN? IT SPEAKS VOLUMES THAT BOTH OF YOU HAVE AVOIDED THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. IT DOESN'T. MY RESPONSE, MY RESPONSE JIVE WITH THAT. IN FACT, THIS ENTIRE DOCUMENT, THE POLICY FRAMEWORK IS THE FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLES. AND IT, IT IS THE SPIRIT, RIGHT, OF THIS DOCUMENT WITH WHICH I THINK ALL OF COUNCIL EXPECTS THAT WE STICK WITH IT PENALIZING OUR PARTNERS. THAT'S NOT SAN ANTONIO GUYS THAT MAY HAVE FLY IN DALLAS OR HOUSTON OR ANYWHERE ELSE. BUT THE FACT THAT I, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, YOU KNOW, WHY THIS DEPARTMENT IS ADVOCATING AGITATING FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, PUT A, UH, UH, PUT A GUN UP TO OUR PARTNER'S HEADS. UM, BOTH OF YOU ARE VERY SMART PEOPLE. UM, I ASKED A REALLY, REALLY SIMPLE QUESTION. I'M GONNA INVITE YOU GUYS TO ANSWER IT ONE MORE TIME. AND THAT'S, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD. GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE QUESTION. I'M, SO, THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK SPEAKS TO PROVIDING EDUCATION AND OUTREACH TO, UM, DISCRIMINATION IN GENERAL. WE HAVE TAKEN THAT AND EXTRACTED A SMALL SECTION. AND WE'RE SAYING IF YOU ARE TAKING INCENTIVES FROM THE CITY, WHICH A $40 MILLION PROJECT CAN GET MULTIPLE MILLIONS IN INCENTIVES, WE ARE EXPECTING YOU TO NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST SOMEONE'S SOURCE OF INCOME. AND SO IT'S SEPARATE FROM WHAT THAT POLICY FRAMEWORK IS SAYING. AND SO IF YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AND ACCEPT INCENTIVES, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BLA , LEMME JUST REINFORCE THAT SAID, WELL, LORD, AND VETO SAID THIS IS DESIGNED TO BE, UM, USED ON THOSE PROJECTS THAT ACCEPT CITY INCENTIVES. IT'S NOT OPEN-ENDED, IT'S NOT FOR THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY. IT'S FOR THOSE PARTNERS THAT WE EXPECT TO BE PART OF THE HOUS, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SOLUTION. AND SO I THINK FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THERE BE AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM ON THOSE PROJECTS THAT ACCEPT CITY INCENTIVES. AND IT'S COMPLETELY . ERIC, CAN YOU CITE THIS COUNCILS MEMBER? PLA I'M GONNA, I GOTTA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT DISCRIMINATION COUNCIL MEMBER. CAN YOU CITE ONE EXAMPLE? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE MOVING ON. AND I'M GONNA CALL NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. THANK YOU. UH, I THINK THAT I'VE, I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL JUST CLARIFY THAT. AND THAT IS THAT NO EXISTING APARTMENT COMPLEX OR HOUSING PROJECT THAT EXISTS TODAY IS BOUND TO THIS. AND THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL BE BOUND BY THIS WILL BE THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER TO SAY, I ACCEPT THIS REQUIREMENT. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT FORCING IT ON ANYBODY WHO'S IN BUSINESS TODAY. AND WE'RE NOT REALLY FORCING IT ON ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO DO BUSINESS WITH US. 'CAUSE THEY CAN SIMPLY SAY, YES, I'M A MASOCHIST, I'LL ACCEPT THIS AND YOU CAN PUNISH ME IF I BREAK THE RULES. OR THEY CAN SAY, NO, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. UH, BUT THE POINT IS THAT WE ARE PROTECTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST FOR THROUGH MANY DIFFERENT AVENUES, UH, FROM BEING EXCLUDED FROM GETTING INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE SOURCE OF MONEY THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE. NOW, IT DOESN'T ALS TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, THOUGH. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UM, SOMEONE THAT PARTNERS WITH US HAS TO ACCEPT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A VOUCHER. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THEY DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT SOMEBODY. THEY MAY NOT MEET OTHER CRITERIA. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN EVICTED FIVE TIMES. THEY MAY HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY. UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA PUT SEVEN PEOPLE IN A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. THE OWNERS WHO AGREE TO WORK WITH US AND ACCEPT CITY MONEY AND TO OFFER THEIR PROPERTIES FOR LEASE ARE STILL SAYING, WE CAN SAY TO SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE VOUCHERS, YOU DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR SEVERAL REASONS TO LIVE HERE. CORRECT. OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. IN, IN 2019, THERE WERE 219 VOUCHER HOLDING FAMILIES WHOSE VOUCHERS WERE TERMINATED BECAUSE NOBODY WOULD RENT TO THEM. THIS POLICY WOULD ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE HOMES TO RENT. I BELIEVE THAT NEIGHBORHOODS, COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND STAFF WERE THOUGHTFUL AND THOROUGH AS THEY WORKED TO DEVELOP THIS POLICY. I WANT TO THANK THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION, THE HOUSING COMMISSION, TEXAS HOUSERS, SAN ANTONIO REGIONAL ALLIANCE [04:25:01] FOR THE HOMELESS SECRETARY HENRY CISNEROS CITY STAFF. I ESPECIALLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK RICHARD COSTA FOR HIS RESEARCH AND CONSTANT ADVOCACY, AND REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME AND WILL SUPPORT THIS ITEM AS IT IS GROUNDED IN EQUITY AND FAIR HOUSING PRACTICES THAT ARE EVEN USED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT FOUND THAT NATIONALLY, 62% OF VOUCHER HOLDERS ARE DESIGNATED AS MINORITY, WHILE 48% OF VOUCHER HOUSEHOLDS ARE FEMALE HEADED HOUSEHOLDS WITH CHILDREN. THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION FEELS THAT THE SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION CONTRIBUTES TO THE PERPETUATION OF RACIALLY SEGREGATED COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS WITH CONCENTRATED POVERTY WITH A POTENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND ON THE HORIZON. THIS ANTI-DISCRIMINATION POLICY ENSURES FAMILIES OF COLOR, ESPECIALLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN, HAVE ACCESS TO QUALITY HOUSING ACROSS SAN ANTONIO. AND THAT SOURCE OF INCOME ISN'T USED AS A WORKAROUND FOR, FOR PROHIBITED FORM OF DISCRIMINATION. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE POLICIES THAT POLICIES THAT JUST MAKES SENSE. WITH THAT, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 20. ALL RIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 20. MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION NOW. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. THANK YOU, SIR. AND, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I HAD MOST OF THESE POINTS THAT COUNCILMAN PLYS HAD AS WELL. UH, BUT I WANT TO ADD SOME, SOME THINGS TO THAT. UH, WE, WE'VE GOT A PROCESS HERE, AND ONE OF THE PROCESS THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE TAKEN, AND I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WINTER STORM AND A SPECIAL MEETING, AND THIS BEING KICKED OUTTA THE B SESSION AT THAT TIME, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE RESCHEDULED THIS TO A B SESSION WHERE THIS COULD BE THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED, LOOKED AT AND MADE SURE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO, GET CONCURRENCE IN THE B SESSION TO MOVE IT TO AN A SESSION WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS HAS BEEN, UH, COORDINATED ENOUGH WITH INDUSTRY. IN FACT, LET ME, LET ME, UH, READ SOMETHING TO YOU HERE. UH, CITY STAFF CONTACTED US, THE REAL ESTATE GROUPS. THEY CONTACTED REX A, THEY DIDN'T REACH OUT TO US DIRECTLY. AND THIS IS SAN ANTONIO APARTMENT ASSOCIATION TO MEET ON JANUARY 11TH. THEY PRESENTED THE SS SS O I POLICY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS TO US ON JANUARY 20TH. ALSO IMPORTANT IS THAT CITY STAFF CAME TO US WITH A POLICY THAT WAS ALREADY FORMED. THEY DID NOT SEEK OUR INPUT FOR, FOR THE POLICY, BUT THEY DID TAKE OUR FEEDBACK AND DID NOTHING WITH IT EXCEPT TO MENTION IT IN THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE, AND WOULDN'T SEND IT TO US IN ADVANCE TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK. THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME THAT, UM, UM, WE DIDN'T REACH OUT TO THEM POSITIVELY TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON THIS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING FROM INDUSTRY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE HOLDING A HAMMER OVER THEIR HEAD WITH CRIMES IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT A VOUCHER SYSTEM. I GOT A STA STATISTIC HERE FROM, UH, UM, US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING IN OUR URBAN DEVELOPMENT. THEY FUNDED A STUDY, FOUND THAT 68% OF RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE STUDY'S DATASET WHO REFUSE TO ACCEPT VOUCHER HOLDERS HAD ACCEPTED TO THEM PREVIOUSLY. THE PROGRAM'S BURDENSOME REQUIREMENTS, DISCOURAGED RENTAL HOUSING PROVIDERS, BOTH THOSE WITH FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE AND THOSE WHO HEAR THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS EXPERIENCED BY THEIR PEERS FROM PARTICIPATING. AND THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF A GOVERNMENTAL PROGRAM WHERE, UH, BILLS AREN'T PAID. THEY AREN'T GIVEN THEM, UM, GIVING THEIR RENTAL, YOU KNOW, THEY SIGN THESE AGREEMENTS TO ACCEPT THOSE, AND THEN THEY DON'T GET PAID ON TIME. A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF, UH, UM, PROBLEMS OUT THERE. AND I, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN PLYS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATA. WE C WE CONSIDER OURSELVES A DATADRIVEN COUNCIL, AND YET WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SAYING, THERE IS NO DATA TO SUPPORT THIS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYTHING I, AND THAT QUESTION'S BEEN ASKED TO CITY STAFF. HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS? WELL, NO, BUT THIS COULD HAPPEN SOMETIME. UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER STATISTIC SAYING THAT, UH, 53% OF, UH, FOLKS ARE STILL LOOKING FOR HOUSING. THAT WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WELL, I SAY TO YOU THAT WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF HOUSING ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO, NOT JUST IN THIS CATEGORY. WE [04:30:01] GOT MORE PEOPLE COMING INTO THE CITY. WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF HOUSING. WE USED TO HAVE A SIX MONTH SUPPLY OF HOUSING OUT THERE. WE'RE DOWN TO LESS THAN THREE NOW, FROM THE GREATER SAN ANTONIO BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. AND THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE. SO I, I CAN SEE WHERE PEOPLE USING VOUCHERS TRYING TO GET INTO HOUSING, CAN'T FIND IT BECAUSE IT JUST DOES NOT EXIST OUT THERE. SO ALL OF THAT COMBINED ON THIS, I, I JUST GOT A REAL, REAL TOUGH TIME VOTING FOR THIS ITEM. IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD THING, BUT EVEN AT THAT, THE PENALTIES ON THIS, I THINK ARE WAY OUTTA LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND YEAH, IT'S FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, THAT KIND OF THING. BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THAT, UH, THE OWNERS OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, THEY, THEY HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA AND YEAH, GUESS WHAT? THEY MIGHT NOT PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS WITH THIS SINCE THIS IS BEING FORCED ON THEM BY GETTING CITY FUNDS OR STATE FUNDS TO, TO BUILD A DEVELOPMENT. IT, IT, THAT COULD VERY WELL HAPPEN. AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA GET FROM THAT? WE'RE GONNA GET EVEN FEWER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, UNITS HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND FOR MARKET RATE HOUSING OUT HERE. AND SO, UM, YEAH, THIS COULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S BEING BUILT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. REMEMBER, AND I'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES BEFORE, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED WITH SOMETHING, THERE'S NORMALLY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE CAN SEE THAT WILL HAVE A BACKLASH AND, YOU KNOW, CREATE OTHER PROBLEMS FOR US IN OTHER AREAS. SO I WOULD SAY, LET'S, LET'S BACK OFF ON THIS AND LET'S WAIT, ADVERTISE IT OR WHATEVER. IF THERE ARE ITEMS LIKE THIS IN SAN ANTONIO, I DON'T LIKE FOLLOWING OTHER CITIES, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT. WE HAVE TO DO IT HERE. THAT IS NOT A SAN ANTONIO OR EVEN TEXAS WAY TO GOVERN AND SET POLICY FOR THE WAY A CITY SHOULD GO, THAT THAT HAS NO PLACE HERE. SO I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN PELLY ON EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HE SAID. UM, NO DATA TO SUPPORT THIS. AND, UM, I, I'M GONNA HAVE A REAL TOUGH TIME ON, UM, SUPPORTING THIS ON A VOTE. SO THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, I WANNA THANK, UM, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, THE MAYOR'S HOUSING POLICY TASK FORCE, AND THOSE, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMITTEES THAT WERE CREATED AFTERWARD FOR THEIR WORK IN FINALLY BRINGING FORWARD THIS, THIS POLICY. I, I TRULY APPRECIATE IT. I COMPLETELY SUPPORT IT AND I'M GLAD TO SEE IT MOVING FORWARD. UM, I, UH, I DO HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS I'D I'D LIKE TO MAKE. AND I ALSO WANNA THANK, UH, BEN, VERONICA VERO, YOUR TEAM, AND, UH, ESPECIALLY IAN, UH, BENAVIDES FOR HIS DILIGENCE IN GETTING BACK TO ME ON EVERY SINGLE QUESTION THAT I HAD. AND I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. SO, SO THANK YOU. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO, UH, REVIEW WITH YOU, UM, THIS MAY, THIS CONCEPT OF LAYERED FUNDING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, UH, ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOME FUNDING COMING FROM ONE ELEMENT, ANOTHER ELEMENT. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THIS ORDINANCE WOULD, UH, WOULD PLAY A ROLE IN THE LAYERED FUNDING CONCEPT FOR HOUSING? SURE. UM, SO ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE MEANS THAT FOR FUTURE INCENTIVES, THE LANGUAGE IN THOSE CONTRACTS BE THEY SOMETHING C C D O DOES FOR A FEE WAIVER, UH, OR SOMETHING OUR DEPARTMENT DOES FOR A GRANT AWARD FROM THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE WITHIN THE AGREEMENTS MENTIONED THAT THE SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE APPLIES TO THAT INCENTIVE. AND IT COULD BE THE SAME DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GETTING A FEE WAIVER FROM C C D O AND A GRANT AWARD FROM THE TAX INCREMENT, A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE. SO THE CON CONTRACTS ARE LAYERED TO MAKE THAT ONE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN, AND EACH CONTRACT WOULD HAVE THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY CONTRACTUALLY TO RECEIVE THE FUNDING. SO WHEN THOSE INCENTIVES ARE LAYERED, YOU DO SEE SOMEONE COMING FOR FEE WAIVERS. YOU SEE SOMEONE COMING FOR A GRANT AWARD FROM THE HUD ENTITLEMENTS, SOMETIMES FROM THE, AND SOMETIMES YOU ALSO SEE THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST, WHICH INCIDENTALLY ALSO ADOPTED A SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION AS PART OF THEIR MUCH BROADER TENANT PROTECTION POLICY TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO. AND [04:35:01] SO YOU SEE A DEVELOPMENT OCCUR BECAUSE THEY LAYER THE DIFFERENT INCENTIVES. AND SO THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. AND THE ONLY ONES THAT CURRENTLY REQUIRE THIS ARE THE FEDERAL ONES. SO LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS, HUD ENTITLEMENT FUNDING HOME AND C D B G REQUIRE IT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. IT'S, IT'S A FEDERAL WORD PHRASE, BUT THE OTHERS, THE LOCAL FEE WAIVERS, THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE DO NOT. AND THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST, UNLESS IT'S A LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX, CREDIT DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT BY ITSELF, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW IT WHEN THEY'RE LAYERED TO APPLY FOR THOSE CONTRACTS. GREAT. AND NOW THE HOUSING TRUST WILL REQUIRE IT EVEN IF IT'S NOT A LITECH CORRECT. PROPERTY. GREAT. SO I, TO ME, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A TOOL THAT HELPS OUR DOLLARS THAT WE INVEST IN HOUSING GO FURTHER IN TERMS OF, OF AFFORDABILITY, UH, THE, THE OTHER, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED. THE, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS WHAT IS THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THESE VOUCHERS? IS THAT FEDERAL FUNDING OR IS THAT STATE FUNDING OR LOCAL DOLLARS? IT'S, UM, SO FOR THE MOST PART, THESE ARE FEDERAL PROGRAMS. THE BIGGEST PROGRAM IS THE HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER. UM, THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES LOCALLY ARE THE BIGGEST IMPLEMENTERS, BUT THAT THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT PROVIDE VOUCHERS. WE HAVE VASH, UH, VOUCHERS, WHICH FOCUS ON VETERANS. UM, AND WE HAVE OTHER SMALLER PROVIDERS OF VOUCHERS LIKE AMERICAN GI FORUM, FOR EXAMPLE. AND SO THOSE ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED PROGRAMS. UM, AND THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS FOR, UM, GOVERNING HOW AND WHO, UH, AND WHAT IS REQUIRED ARE THOSE FEDERAL LAWS. GREAT. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IF WE'RE, IF WE WANNA GET THE MOST OUT OF FEDERAL FUNDING, WE WOULD ENSURE THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT THAT FEDERAL FUNDING CAN BE USED IN SAN ANTONIO, AND BY NOT ENSURING THAT WE'RE KIND OF LETTING THAT FEDERAL MONEY GO AND BE USED ELSEWHERE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU. UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE TRUST ADOPTED THIS POLICY, WHICH I, I WAS ALSO VERY GLAD TO SEE, AND THAT THEY CONSIDERED, OR, OR MAYBE THEY ALREADY DID TALK TO, UH, PREVIOUS, UH, DEVELOPERS THAT HAD DEVELOPERS THAT HAD PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS WITH THE TRUST PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THIS POLICY, UH, TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF THEM, UH, FALLING UNDER THIS AND, AND HOW DID THAT GO? SO YES, THOSE CONVERSATIONS DID HAPPEN WITH OUR PARTNER AT THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST AS THEY WERE DEVELOPING THEIR TENANT PROTECTION POLICY. UH, THEY DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ALREADY IN THE GROUND, AND I BELIEVE ALL BUT ONE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS LANDOWNERS OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AGREED TO FOLLOW THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO, UH, RENEGOTIATE THEIR OWN CONTRACTS. UM, THE POLICY THEY ADOPTED, LIKE THE ONE PROPOSED HERE TODAY IS ONLY GOING TO APPLY FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. BUT THEY DID HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AND AGAIN, ALL BUT ONE OF THE CURRENT CONTRACTS THAT THEY HAVE AGREED THAT THEY WOULD ABIDE BY THE SPIRIT OF THE SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION, UM, POLICY. THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT NEWS TO HEAR. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE'RE CONSIDERING DOING THAT FOR, UH, OTHER, ON OUR END, ON THE CITY SIDE, FOR ENTITIES THAT ALREADY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH US, MAYBE THEY'VE ALREADY GOT APARTMENTS BILLED IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER ALSO COMPLYING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THIS ORDINANCE. WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THAT YET. UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANTED THIS TO APPLY GOING FORWARD, UH, SO THAT THE, THE RULES, IF YOU WILL, FOR INCENTIVES ARE CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING. MM-HMM. . SO WE HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THAT, UH, IS THERE A REASON THE TRUST DID, AND WE DIDN'T, AND WE WOULDN'T, WE CAN TALK MORE WITH THE TRUST ABOUT THEIR PROCESS. THEY ALSO HAVE A MORE LIMITED, UH, PORTFOLIO. BUT WE'LL TALK AND, UM, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ANSWER WAS FOR THEM AND COME BACK TO YOU. AND I DO WANNA ADD THAT IF IT'S A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT, SO IF IT INCLUDES A HUD LOAN, LITECH OR C BG FUNDS, IT ALREADY APPLIES. THEY ALREADY APPLY. AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY FEW THAT DON'T HAVE ANY FEDERAL OR HOUSING TRUST FUNDING IN IT, BUT WE CAN GO AND ASK THEM, RIGHT, LIKE THE, SOME OF THE CCHI FUNDING THAT, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PAST, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AT LEAST APPROACH THEM AGAIN. NO, THERE IS OBVIOUSLY NO OBLIGATION ON THEIR PART TO, TO COMPLY, BUT, UH, I WOULD, HOW WOULD WE MOVE FORWARD ON MAKING SURE THAT THAT REQUEST WAS MADE? WE'LL REACH OUT TO ALL OF THE CCHI PROJECTS THAT DON'T HAVE FEDERAL OR HOUSING TRUST DOLLARS AND ASK. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, LORI, AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S JUST SOMETHING I WANNA HIGHLIGHT FOR, FOR MY COLLEAGUES AND, AND EVEN ASK YOU, UH, SOME ADVICE ON THIS IS THE TERM YOU'RE USING A SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION. AND, [04:40:01] AND, UM, SO I, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T ASK THE OTHERS, WE'RE SORT OF IMPLYING THAT THEY'RE DISCRIMINATING BY, BY INCOME SOURCE. BUT, BUT I, I WANNA TALK ABOUT SOMETHING VERY REAL, WHICH IS THERE IS, IN OUR, IN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THIS TYPE OF DISCRIMINATION. I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WERE SOME, UH, A PROPOSAL TO BUILD, UM, SOME LIGHT TECH PROPERTIES IN, IN MY DISTRICT, I HEARD A LOT OF CON CONCERNS AND, UH, DEROGATORY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT LIVE IN SUBSIDIZED HOUSING. AND I HEARD THE TERM, UH, NOT EVERYBODY SAID THIS RIGHT, BUT, BUT A FEW PEOPLE USE THE TERM, UH, OH, IT'S SECTION EIGHT HOUSING, SECTION EIGHT HOUSING. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THE LITECH PROPERTIES TECHNICALLY ARE NOT SECTION EIGHT HOUSING, CORRECT. UM, I, I THINK THAT EVEN WHEN, EVEN IF WE PASS THIS TODAY, WE STILL HAVE A MUCH BIGGER BURDEN ABOUT INCOME DISCRIMINATION IN RENTAL DISCRIMINATION IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOUR COMMITTEES ARE, ARE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. COULD YOU, COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT OVERCOME THAT OR WORK ON THAT? MM-HMM. . SO, UH, LORI MENTIONED OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH ACTUALLY BUILDS ON THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK AND GIVES US MORE DETAILED, UH, STRATEGIES FOR HOW TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THAT FRAMEWORK. UH, AND THE CONVERSATIONS THERE, UM, DO REVOLVE AROUND THAT. THERE'S ALSO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE THE CONTINUING CONVERSATION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHAT IT IS WITH SERVES, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, MISINFORMATION, IF YOU WILL, OR MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHO LIVES IN THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. UM, AND SO EVEN THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY, WHICH WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE HOUSING COMMISSION AND IN THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, AS WELL AS WITH THE PLANNING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, HAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO INFORM THE PUBLIC AND REALLY HAVE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHO IS BEING SERVED BY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. UH, THANK YOU, VERO. I, I MAY SUGGEST THAT, UH, IN THE FALL, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED I'M HERE AFTER, AFTER MAY ONE, THAT WE CONSIDER TAKING THAT UP AT, IF, IF I'M STILL THE CHAIR OF THE EQUITY COMMITTEE, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND, AND DISCUSS SOME OF THE STRATEGIES. SO, SO WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. COUNCIL MEMBER VILLAGRA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN AND TALK ABOUT, UH, AS CHAIR, PRESIDENT OF THE SAN ANTONIO, HIS, UM, NOT HISTORIC, UM, HOUSING TRUST, UH, AND THE, THE PUBLIC FINANCE CORPORATION. YES, WE DID INCLUDE, UH, WE DID FINALIZE AND VOTE TO APPROVE A 10, A TENANT PROTECTION POLICY THAT INCLUDED THIS. YES, THEY DID TALK TO MANY OF OUR PARTNERS THAT WE'VE DONE MANY PROJECTS WITH, AND THEY WERE AMENABLE. NOT ONLY THAT, EVEN PRIOR TO FINALIZING THE TENANT PROTECTION POLICY, WE WERE ALREADY BRINGING AND HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR PARTNERS TO SAY, IF WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, AND THIS IS WHAT IS EXPECTED MOVING FORWARD. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, UH, THAT STATEMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER GRO. COUNCIL MEMBER ELAS. THANK YOU. I'LL, I'LL HAVE A, I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE, AND, UM, I'LL PREFACE IT BY, BY ASKING, UM, BECAUSE SOME TIME HAS PASSED SINCE MY QUESTION, UH, UH, WAS, WAS POSITED, UM, VETO, CAN YOU CITE A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF DISCRIMINATION? A A SINGLE INCIDENT WHERE ONE OF OUR TENANTS WAS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, THAT THIS WOULD, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD'VE BEEN SOLVING IT, UM, FOR HOUSING SOURCE OF INCOME DISCRIMINATION? NO, PERSONALLY, YEAH. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. NO. OKAY. UM, I WANNA ADD THAT OUR PARTNERS IN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY CAN CITE THAT, AND THEY'VE EXPLAINED THAT A LOT OF THEIR VOUCHER HOLDERS CANNOT FIND A PLACE TO STAY, UM, BECAUSE FAMILY, UM, MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS ARE NOT ACCEPTING THEIR VOUCHER. SO, NO, WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC CASE THAT'S BEEN FILED, BUT OUR PARTNER IS TELLING US THIS IS A REAL ISSUE. OKAY. SO, UM, UH, BECAUSE YOUR PARTNER'S NOT HERE, YOU'D THINK THAT THAT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA TO BRING 'EM TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. UM, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT I WAS GONNA BE BRINGING THIS UP TODAY. UM, AND BECAUSE COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL JUST SAID, AND I, I TAKE HER, HER WORD DISCRIMINATION IN OUR COMMUNITY IS, UH, IS A REAL THING AND QUOTE UNQUOTE, UH, HOUSING NATION IS A REAL THING. I THINK THAT'S WORTH EXPLORING. UM, AND I WANNA INVITE YOU ALL TO BRING YOUR CASE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH REAL DATA, UM, LAST WEEK OF MAY, UH, OR OUR LAST, UH, [04:45:01] MEETING IN MAY, UH, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GUYS CAN PRESENT AND WE CAN RECONSIDER THIS. AND SO I'M GONNA ASK THAT, UH, UH, SOMEBODY SECOND THE MOTION TO, UH, DELAY THIS ITEM UNTIL THE LAST WEEK OF MAY. SO WHEN WE CAN GET SOME MORE DATA. AND THEN, UH, PART B OF MY MOTION, UH, WOULD BE TO, IF, IF, UM, THAT'S REJECTED AND IF THE MOTION, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD IS ACCEPTED, UM, THAT WE REMOVE THE WORD CRIMINAL AND REPLACE IT WITH THE WORD CIVIL, UM, IN THE ORDINANCE. SECOND, I'LL SECOND. I, I JUST, UH, WANT TO SHARE THAT WE DID HAVE THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING AUTHORITY WITH US UNTIL 1130. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE HAVING THEIR OWN BOARD MEETING RIGHT NOW, AND SO SHE HAD TO LEAVE, SHE HAD EVEN DOWNLOADED THE SKYPE APP TO TRY AND CHIME IN, BUT SHE CAN'T, WHILE THEIR BOARD MEETING IS BEING HELD. BUT THEY, THEY WERE HERE AND HAD TO LEAVE. OKAY. WELL, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA DENY HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO US. SO MY MOTION STANDS AND I CALL A QUESTION. OKAY. UH, MAYOR, IF I, IF I MAY, A PROCEDURALLY, UH, COUNCILMAN PLY HAS MADE ACTUALLY TWO MOTIONS. ONE, A MOTION TO DELAY, AND THEN ANOTHER MOTION TO AMEND. UH, I SAY WE HANDLE THOSE ONE AT A TIME. THE ONE THAT TAKES PRECEDENCE IS THE MOTION TO DELAY. WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE IS ONLY PERMITTED TO PUT ONE MOTION ON THE FLOOR AT THE TIME SOMEONE ELSE WOULD'VE TO MAKE THE SECOND MOTION. WELL, HE, THE, THE, THE FIRST MOTION IS THE MOTION TO DELAY. CORRECT. SO THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FIRST. OKAY. AND THEN IF THAT FAILS, THEN THERE'S SOMETHING, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THAT MOTION TO, OKAY. SO LET'S TAKE UP THE MOTION TO DELAY, UM, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN COMMENT BACK UP AGAIN. UM, SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DELAY ITEM 20. UH, AND WHAT WAS THE DATE AGAIN? COUNCIL MEMBER, SORRY. LAST MEETING IN MAY. MAYOR, LAST MEETING IN MAY. DO, DO WE HAVE A DATE ON THAT? DO CALENDAR. DO WE NEED ONE, ANDY? NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THERE'S A MO THAT'S SUFFICIENT. MAYOR. OKAY. THERE, THERE'S A MOTION. UH, AND A SECOND TO DELAY. ITEM 20 TO THE LAST, UM, COUNCIL A SESSION IN MAY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DELAY? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION FAILS. WE'LL, UH, RESUME DISCUSSION. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER PLIE, I, I'LL, I'LL OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UH, TO AMEND. SURE. I RE I, I RE URGE MY SECOND MOTION, WHICH IS TO TAKE OUT THE WORD CRIMINAL AND REPLACE IT WITH THE WORD CIVIL SO THAT WE DON'T, UM, HAVE OUR PARTNERS, UM, WITH CRIMINAL HISTORIES FOLLOWING THEM FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. OKAY. AND I'LL SECOND THAT TOO. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO AMEND, UM, ITEM 20 AS STATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PIA. UH, WE'LL TAKE UP DISCUSSION ON THAT AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE WORD CRIMINAL TO CIVIL AND TO, UM, INCLUDE A CIVIL PENALTY AS OPPOSED TO A CRIMINAL PENALTY IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF, UM, THE ORDINANCE. SO WE'LL TAKE UP THAT, UH, DISCUSSION NOW. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT AMENDMENT, COULD YOU PLEASE QUEUE IN? AND, UH, LEMME START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO ASK ANDY, WHO PROBABLY HAS READ THIS POTENTIAL, UH, ORDINANCE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, EXCHANGING THE WORD CIVIL FOR CRIMINAL? CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT? UH, YES, COUNCILMAN? YEAH. BOTH WOULD CALL FOR FINES AND BOTH WOULD BE AN ENFORCEMENT TOOL. UH, THE REASON WE HAVE THE, THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT TO IT IS A COUPLE, UH, USUALLY I'M, I'M NOT SORRY, I'M SORRY, NOT USUALLY, BUT ALL OUR CODE PROVISIONS, IF YOU LOOK AT CHAPTER ONE, THEY HAVE THE, EVENTUALLY THE ABILITY TO BE ENFORCED CRIMINALLY. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE, THE REASON WHY THE CRIMINAL VIOLATION IS IN THIS PROVISION IS BECAUSE THEY, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ALIGNED AS MUCH AS WE COULD WITH OUR GENERAL NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE, WHICH HAS THE SAME CRIMINAL VIOLATION OF THE SAME FINES. SO REALLY, IT, IT'S, IT, IT'S THERE BECAUSE OF THE DESIRE TO MAKE IT, UH, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT OUR GENERAL NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE HAS FOR ENFORCEMENT TOOLS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, YEAH, , THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, I THINK TAKING IT TO THE EXTREME ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S MY OPINION. HOPEFULLY, UM, OTHERS WILL SEE IT THE SAME WAY. BUT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, LORI ON THE SAHA ARE, ARE THEY ISSUING THESE VOUCHERS RIGHT NOW? [04:50:04] YES, THEY ARE. COUNCILMAN. OKAY. AND, AND ARE THERE A LIST OF PEOPLE WAITING ON VOUCHERS THERE NOW? YES, THEY DO HAVE A LIST. OH, I'VE BEEN TOLD IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH FUNDING, UH, IN THE PROGRAM TO, TO, UH, FUND ALL THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ABOUT, UM, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE. IN THIS CASE, THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. AND, UH, I TOTALLY SUPPORT PEOPLE NEEDING TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE VOUCHER PROGRAM. BUT THE PROGRAM ITSELF IS WHAT SCARES PEOPLE AWAY FROM ACCEPTING 'EM AND IMPLEMENTING THAT PROGRAM. MAYBE WE NEED THIS ON OUR LEGISLATIVE, UH, AGENDA, WHATEVER, TO GET, GET THOSE KIND OF THINGS WORKED OUT, UH, THROUGH THE STATE AND THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA START SOMEWHERE WHERE IT MAKES IT MORE APPEALING TO ACCEPT THESE VOUCHERS OUT THERE AND NOT SUCH A DEMAND ON THE OWNERS THAT HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THIS. MM-HMM. . AND CERTAINLY, HERE'S ANOTHER BIG HAMMER THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH. THEY CAN BE CHAR CHARGED CRIMINALLY IN THIS. AND I FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BATTERED OUR INDUSTRIES ENOUGH ON ANU, UH, NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS ACROSS THIS CITY. AND HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF US NOT BEING SUPPORTIVE OF BUSINESSES AND INDUSTRIES, UM, TO PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING AND GETTING BETTER AND FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY TO PUT BACK INTO THEIR BUSINESSES, TO, UH, MAKE THEIR BUSINESSES BETTER. SO I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT A HISTORY OF THAT HERE ON THIS COUNCIL. AND IT'S SAD, AND I'VE GOTTEN IT FROM INDUSTRY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FOLKS LOOKING TO MOVE OUTTA SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE OF THE PROGRESSIVE NATURE OF PENALTIES AND NON-SUPPORT OF BUSINESSES HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. SO, I, I, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS AND MM-HMM. , UH, I HOPE IT, UH, HOPE WE CAN DISCUSS THIS MORE MM-HMM. , UM, INSTEAD OF VOTING ON THIS TODAY, UM, YEAH. OKAY. I, I'M, I JUST SEE THIS AS ANOTHER HAMMER OVER OUR INDUSTRY PARTNERS OUT THERE. I'D LIKE TO ADD THOUGH, THAT WE ARE GIVING HOUSING PROJECTS INCENTIVES. SO WE ARE SUPPORTING THEM, WE ARE SUPPORTING OUR BUSINESSES, OR WE'RE ASKING FOR OF THEM IN RETURN IS TO ALLOW VOUCHERS. ANOTHER ISSUE YOU BROUGHT UP GOOD POINT VOUCHERS, WE NEED MORE VOUCHERS, BUT WHAT GOOD IS THAT VOUCHER IF WE DON'T HAVE PLACES FOR THEM TO LIVE? SO IT'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES, AND WE STILL NEED PLACES FOR THOSE VOUCHER HOLDERS TO LIVE. YEAH. AND, UM, I WAS CORRECTED, IT'S NOT THREE PER 3% OR THREE MONTH SUPPLY. IT'S DOWN TO A ONE AND A HALF MONTH SUPPLY OF HOUSES OUT THERE, EXTREMELY SHORT. SO IT'S NOT ONLY PEOPLE WITH VOUCHERS LOOKING FOR HOUSES, IT'S PEOPLE ALL OVER THE PLACE LOOKING FOR HOUSES. SO AGAIN, IT'S A SUPPLY AND DEMAND THING. I, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY ALL BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T ACCEPTING VOUCHERS IN THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE SETTING UP. THERE'S A HOUSING SHORTAGE ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO. SO I, I, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE OUR INDUSTRY PARTNERS OUT THERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO AGAIN, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY, AGAIN, WE'RE, UH, THE, THE DISCUSSION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW IS ON THE AMENDMENT, UH, FROM CHANGING, UH, TO A CIVIL PENALTY. SO LET'S, UH, TRY TO KEEP IT THERE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. THANK YOU. AND, UM, UH, WE HAVE HEARD THIS, YOU KNOW, NOW A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND COUNCILMEMBER ELLI, UH, I, I ASKED SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS VERY EARLY ON TOO, AND I WANNA SAY THOSE WERE ALL IN-PERSON MEETINGS. SO IT'S BEEN MORE THAN A YEAR, UM, IN, IN MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MY, UM, WELL, IT THROUGH WITH MY CONSTITUENTS, BUT ALSO WITH DEVELOPERS. I'VE, I'VE SAID, I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM, THAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PLACES THAT ACCEPT VOUCHERS OR THAT THE VOUCHERS ARE TOO LOW. UM, I'M SORRY, NOT THAT, BUT THE SECOND THING THAT THE VOUCHERS ARE TOO LOW AND THEY'RE NOT ENOUGH TO COVER THE RENT, WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE CAN'T FIND A PLACE. UM, BUT, AND THEN SOME OFF THE RECORD CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS, THEY DID TELL ME THAT THEY HAD HEARD OF INSTANCES WHERE THIS IS HAPPENING. SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE THE CRIMINAL PIECE HAS, I THINK IS, IS A ALSO FINE LINE WHEN WE APPROVE THIS IN THE HOUSING TRUST. DID WE APPROVE IT WITH THE CRIMINAL PIECE? UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK PERHAPS I HAVE OVERLOOKED THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S A BIT OVERKILL. UM, [04:55:01] IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY'S COMING PROBABLY, I'M GONNA FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU IN 30 SECONDS. UH, OKAY. I THINK PETE'S THE ONE WHO KNOWS. UM, SO, UH, BECAUSE WE DID ALREADY PROVE THIS, UH, IN THE HOUSING TRUST, AND, UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD SUPPORT CHANGING THAT LANGUAGE, UH, FROM CRIMINAL TO CIVIL PENALTY. BUT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, THE, I KNOW THE DEPARTMENT ASSOCIATION, I HAD MEETINGS WITH THEM, I HAD MEETINGS WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, SORT OF OFF THE RECORD. NOBODY REALLY WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY THAT THEY HAD WITNESSED THIS OR EXPERIENCED IT. SO, UM, THAT'S, UH, ANOTHER REASON WHY I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT, UM, THIS, UH, THIS, THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PLACED BEFORE US. IT'S BEEN VETTED SEVERAL TIMES. AND, UM, I I WANNA SAY IT'S BEEN MORE THAN A YEAR. 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT WAS AN IN-PERSON MEETING WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS AS A PROBLEM AND OFTEN WONDERED ABOUT EXCESSIVE LEGISLATION. AND THEN I GUESS JUST THE FINAL QUESTION, UH, ANDY, IF I COULD ASK, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS WE WERE, UM, UH, VETTING IT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ALREADY LEGAL PROTECTIONS AND IS IT NECESSARY, UM, I GUESS TO, TO IMPLEMENT IT IF, IF IN FACT THESE PROVISIONS ALREADY EXIST? UH, COUNCILMAN, THERE, THERE ARE SOME, UM, OBVIOUSLY ALREADY SOME LEGAL PROTECTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO NON-DISCRIMINATION. UH, THIS ONE DOES MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC THOUGH, TO NON-DISCRIMINATION FROM INCOME SOURCE. SO IT, IT, IT DOES, UH, FOCUS MORE ON THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF DISCRIMINATION. 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE, UH, MORE DIFFICULT TO APPLY SOME OF THE MORE GENERAL NON-DISCRIMINATION TO THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. AND, UH, EVEN OUR, SO OUR, OUR NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE HAS CRIMINAL CHARGES. THAT IS CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IT DOES, YES. UH, OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. UM, UH, I'LL, I'LL JUST YIELD MY TIME. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BER GONZALEZ. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN KURT'S ORIGINAL QUESTION. ANDY, CAN YOU TELL US IF THE N D O HAS EVER HAD ANY, UH, PRO ANY ISSUES GO TO CRIMINAL PROSECUTION? WE, WE'VE HAD, UH, NON-DISCRIMINATION CLAIMS THAT HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EVER HAD ACTUALLY HAD A, A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OF AN N D O VIOLATION. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, ANDY, MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THIS, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE. UH, I ASKED YOU BEFORE ABOUT, UH, THE CRIMINAL, UH, COMPONENT OF THIS ORDINANCE, AND YOU SAID IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH ALMOST ALL OF THE OTHER ORDINANCES THAT WE'VE PUT FORWARD THAT HAVE A PENALTY. IS THAT RIGHT? I'LL, I'LL ASK, UM, SUSAN GWYNN FROM MY STAFF TO BETTER EXPLAIN THAT. IN TERMS OF WHAT, HOW CODE PROVISIONS, UH, USUALLY HAVE A VI UH, I'M SORRY, A CRIMINAL, UH, POTENTIAL CRIMINAL VIOLATION ASPECT TO THEM. SUSAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE CENTER PODIUM. YES. THE CITY CODE IN CHAPTER ONE HAS SOME GENERAL PROVISIONS, UH, ON ALMOST ALL, UH, VIOLATIONS OF THE CITY CODE. AND THERE'S A RANGE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW. WE ALSO SPECIFICALLY HAVE SOME EXCEPTIONS. THEY'RE NOT EXCEPTION TO CRIMINAL, BUT THEY GIVE US ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY UP TO $2,000 FOR ZONING VIOLATIONS. SO ALMOST ANYTHING IN THE CITY CODE A VIOLATION CAN BE, UH, PROSECUTED CRIMINALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANDY, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE? SHOULD WE AMEND THIS TO SAY CIVIL? WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO AND WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PENALTIES? THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, THERE WOULD BE NO DIFFERENCE IN THE PENALTIES. WE, WE STILL WOULD HAVE THE, UH, $500 PENALTY. OBVIOUSLY, THE, UH, CRIMINAL ASPECT IS, UH, A HIGHER THRESHOLD FROM A BURDEN OF PROOF STANDPOINT. UM, SO OUR ENFORCEMENT TOOL WOULD ESSENTIALLY, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, UH, BE THE SAME. SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE $500 FINE, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO ESTABLISH BY THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE THAT INDEED A VIOLATION OCCURRED. W W WILL THERE BE ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO THIS IN ORDER TO DO THAT? UM, THERE W WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO BE SOME CHANGES. IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS SIMPLY, UH, STRIKING OUT THE WORD CRIMINAL AND ADDING CIVIL, BUT WE CAN, THERE, [05:00:01] THERE, THERE WOULD BE SOME CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, UH, THAT WE CAN MAKE IF THE AMENDMENT PASSES TO MAKE IT A CIVIL PENALTY VERSUS A CRIMINAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR, UH, LETTING ME CHIME BACK IN. UH, ANDY, DID YOU SAY THAT HAVING IT BE A CRIMINAL PLACES A HIGHER BURDEN ON US IN TERMS OF THE BURDEN OF PROOF? THAT'S CORRECT. COUNCILWOMAN, BECAUSE WE, IF IT'S A CRIMINAL VIOLATION, YOU HAVE TO STAND, ESTABLISH BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THE, UH, THE VIOLATION TOOK PLACE. AND THE, I GUESS THE, THE FINE WOULD BE THE SAME. THE FINE WOULD BE THE SAME. THAT'S CORRECT. SO CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING IT BE CRIMINAL OVER, OVER CIVIL? IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ENFORCE UNDER CIVIL, IT, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ENFORCE, OBVIOUSLY. I MEAN, UM, YES, CORRECT. IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ENFORCE. UH, WHEN WE ADD A CRIMINAL NATURE, USUALLY TO OUR, UH, VIOLATIONS, IT, IT MEANS THAT, UH, IT'S A SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT IT'S THE OFFENSES OF A VERY SERIOUS NATURE. UH, AND IT, WHILE THE PENALTY STAYS THE SAME IN TERMS OF THE FINE COUNCILWOMAN, OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY WHO IS LOOKING AT, UH, POTENTIALLY VIOLATING THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE DETERRED KNOWING THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL LIABILITY VERSUS JUST A CIVIL FINE. SO THE THOUGHT IS AS SOMEBODY'S LOOKING TO COMPLY WITH IT, THEY WOULD BE MUCH MORE CAREFUL AND CONCERNED WHERE THERE ARE CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS VERSUS CIVIL. I MEAN, AT LEAST THAT'S THE THEORY. OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. AND LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE $500, UH, THRESHOLD. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? STANDARD CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, UH, IT'S A STANDARD CLASS C MISDEMEANOR. FINE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ESTABLISHING AS THE CRIMINAL VIOLATION CLASS C MISDEMEANOR. DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT COULD BE DEEMED AS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS BY ANY ENTITY THAT MAY NOT WANT TO COMPLY WITH THIS REQUIREMENT? I MEAN, THE, THE VOUCHER ALONE FOR A SINGLE MONTH IS WORTH MORE THAN THAT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. COUNCILWOMAN. AGAIN, THAT'S THE ONE OF THE KEY DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF CIVIL VERSUS CRIMINAL IS, UH, AGAIN, PEOPLE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY BEING, UM, UM, ALLEGED TO HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME VERSUS A CIVIL PENALTY. SO AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THE PENALTIES ARE THE SAME, UH, THE, THE, THE NATURE OF THE VIOLATION IN TERMS OF CIVIL VERSUS CRIMINAL, UH, AGAIN, IS, IS, IS MUCH DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE SIGNALING TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE. AND WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT FINE BE, WOULD IT ACCUMULATE OVER TIME, OR IS IT A ONE-TIME ISSUE? LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU FIND OUT THAT THERE'S BEEN A VIOLATION FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT'S PER VIOLATION. AND, AND THE VIOLATION IS PER LEASE OR PER, OH, I GUESS THERE'S NO LEASE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TURNED AWAY. CORRECT. SO AN INDIVIDUAL WOULD HAVE A CLAIM. RIGHT. AND SO THEY WOULD CLAIM THAT THEY WERE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, AND SO THE FINE WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THAT CLAIM? WELL, I, IF THIS GETS ADOPTED, I'D, I'D LOVE TO COME BACK AND SEE HOW IT'S WORKING, BECAUSE I, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S, UH, SUFFICIENT ENOUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. COUNCIL MEMBER KIO. HDA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, ANDY, IF, IF A, THE SIMILAR ORDINANCE, NO CRIMINAL, UH, INJUNCTION, NO CRIMINAL, UH, UM, NO ONE'S BEEN CHARGED CRIMINALLY ON THAT SIMILAR, UH, ORDINANCE? CORRECT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, OUR GENERAL NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE? YES. I'M THE N D O. NO ONE HAS, HAS BEEN CRIMINALLY, UH, PROSECUTED FOR, UH, VIOLATION OF THAT COUNCILWOMAN. HAD THEY BEEN CRIMINALLY CHARGED? NO, THEY HAVE NOT. OKAY. AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT CIVIL, A CIVIL PENALTY, UH, OR A CIVIL CHARGE ANYWAY, WOULD BE, UM, A LOWER BURDEN OF PROOF THAN A CRIMINAL CHARGE? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND IT'S A, AGAIN, IT WAS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, CORRECT? THAT'S WHERE YES, IT WOULD BE, UH, AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT WOULD BE A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR, AND THAT'S WHERE THE $500 FINE COMES. UH, BUT AGAIN, IT COULD BE A CIVIL PENALTY OF UP TO $500 AS WELL, ASSUMING THERE'S A VIOLATION THAT, THAT THIS ORDINANCE PASSES AS STANDS AS A CRIMINAL, UM, UH, PENALTY. AND SOMEONE IS CHARGED CRIMINALLY WITH A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR. WHO IS THAT PERSON? IS IT THE APARTMENT MANAGER? IS WHO, WHO, WHO'S, WHO'S GETTING CRIMINALLY CHARGED? [05:05:04] WHO WOULD BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED? THE MANAGER, THE MANAGER, THE, OR THE OWNER. THEY HAVE TO SHOW WHO ACTUALLY DENIED THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS, IS IT WOULD BE THE INDIVIDUAL, OR THAT'D BE THE OWNER OR THE MANAGER OF, UH, WHO ACTUALLY DENIED, UH, ENTERING INTO A LEASE BECAUSE OF THE IN, UH, SOURCE OF INCOME. SO I'M AN APARTMENT MANAGER AND I DENIED, UM, AND I GET CRIMINALLY CHARGED, ALTHOUGH IT IS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR THE OWNER THAT HAS MADE THAT CALL. ACTUALLY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO SEE. SO IF, IF, IF IT, IF YOU AS THE MANAGER ARE IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING THAT WAS DECIDED BY THE OWNER, UH, THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT IT'S THE OWNER THAT'S, THAT'S DECIDING TO DISCRIMINATE BASED ON THAT BASIS, COUNCILWOMAN. SO A LOT WOULD BE, A LOT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE FACT PATTERN OF THE INDIVIDUAL CASE. SO FLIP IT, AND I'M THE APARTMENT MANAGER, UH, OR THE, THE MANAGING COMPANY WHO HAS THIS POLICY, AND I'M THE OWNER WHO LIVES IN, MAYBE IN ANOTHER STATE WHO DID NOT HAVE THIS POLICY. THE APARTMENT MANAGER WHO, OR APARTMENT, UH, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY WHO TELLS THE APARTMENT MANAGER TO, TO MAKE THIS CALL. ONE OF THEM GETS CRIMINALLY CHARGED. THAT COULD BE CORRECT. AGAIN, A LOT OF THIS IS, WOULD BE FACT SPECIFIC, BUT THAT, THAT CONCEPTUALLY COULD HAPPEN. YEAH. SO I, I, I SUBMIT THAT THAT IS, IT'S TOO VAGUE THAT, UH, NOW YOU, NOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S GETTING CRIMINALLY CHARGED. AND IT, IT SORT OF MAKES THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU ARE, UM, DETERRING BY A CRIMINAL CHARGE INEFFECTIVE BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GONNA POINT THE FINGER AT EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THEN YOU CANNOT SUCCESSFULLY CRIMINALLY PROSECUTE. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CAB HDA. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS, UH, IN THERE AT ALL? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS ENFORCEMENT A CRIMINAL OR CIVIL CASE? CAN'T, DON'T THEY SIGN A CONTRACT TO ACCEPT, UH, CITY FUNDS OR ANY KIND OF DEFERMENT OF FUNDS? I MEAN, FOR THE PROJECT, IT IS AN ENFORCEMENT TOOL. COUNCILMAN, UH, TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TO EFFECTIVELY, UM, ENFORCE IT, UH, I WOULD SAY YOU DO NEED TO HAVE SOME ENFORCEMENT TOOL, WHETHER THAT BE CIVIL OR, OR, OR CRIMINAL. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SIGN A CONTRACT WITH US IN TERMS OF THE, UH, FUNDING WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE, UH, THAT WOULD BE A CONTRACTUAL REMEDY. BUT, UH, FRANKLY, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVE WHAT DAMAGES THE CITY SUFFERED FROM IT AS A PARTY VERSUS, UH, SOMEBODY INDIVIDUALLY WHO WAS DISCRIMINATED. THEREFORE, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE WOULD HAVE SOME, UH, ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THAT WOULD BE FOCUSED ON INDIVIDUAL CLAIMS. WELL, I, I WOULD SAY THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM IS A CLAWBACK THAT THEY DID NOT MEET THEIR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. AND WE ARE GONNA PUT THIS VOUCHER SYSTEM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, INTO ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. SO IT'S, IT COULD CERTAINLY BE SPELLED OUT IN THOSE CONTRACTS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET THIS REQUIREMENT, AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY FORFEIT A PERCENTAGE OR, UM, WHATEVER, OR THE WHOLE THING WITH, WITH, UH, A VIOLATION. SO I, I WOULD RATHER GO HAVE IT GO THAT WAY INSTEAD OF SPELLING OUT CRIMINAL OR CIVIL, UM, CRIMES, UH, FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT JUST PUT IT IN THE CONTRACT? COUNCILMAN? UH, LET ME JUMP IN. AND, AND THAT'S, UH, THE, THE POINT YOU'RE RAISING. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE ORDINANCE, UM, BEYOND THE CRIMINAL, UH, CITATION THAT THE COUNCIL'S TALKING ABOUT, UH, DOES PROVIDE, UH, IN ADDITION TO THOSE PENALTIES THAT, UM, UH, THE AGREEMENT MAY, MAY BE TERMINATED FOR CAUSE, AND THE VIOLATOR, UH, WOULD HAVE TO REFUND ANY FUNDS OR REIMBURSE ANY WAIVERS PROVIDED TO, UH, THE PERSON, UH, THROUGH THE PROGRAM. UM, AND THAT, UM, THE, UM, ORGANIZATION MAY BE PRECLUDED OR DEBARRED FROM BEING AWARDED OR ENTERING ANY FURTHER CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY, UH, GOING FORWARD. SO THAT'S ANOTHER LAYER OF THE ORDINANCE THAT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UH, KIND OF TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE, THE CRIMINAL AND CIVIL. YEAH. UH, I THINK THAT'S PLENTY, PLENTY. UH, GOOD ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, HE'S VIOLATING THE CONTRACT OR THEY'RE VIOLATING THE CONTRACT. WHY EVEN HAVE CIVIL AND CRIMINAL CHARGES TO BE BROUGHT UP AGAINST HIM? I, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SHOOT, YOU COULD SEND HIM TO PRISON. UH, YOU COULD JUST KEEP ESCALATING THAT IF YOU WANT TO, BUT I SAY IF HE'S THERE IN VIOLATION OF THE CONTRACT, THERE'S A CLAW BACK RIGHT THERE, WHAT ERIC JUST TALKED ABOUT. YES, THERE IS A CURRENT CURRENTLY IN AS WRITTEN. YES, THERE WOULD BE A CLAW BLACK CLAWBACK PROVISION AS WELL. COUNCILMAN. WELL, I'M SAYING GET RID OF ALL OF THAT. SO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO GET RID OF THAT, UH, [05:10:01] THOSE PENALTIES AND GO WITH THE CONTRACT AS WRITTEN. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. UM, WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OF OKAY. THE CRIMINAL PENALTY. SO I'LL ASK YOUR COURTESY IF WE CAN JUST MOVE ON THAT. SURE. SO I'M GONNA MAKE A SUGGESTION HERE. THERE, THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION, UH, THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE ABOUT THE CRIMINAL, UH, ELEMENT OF THIS, THE CRIMINAL PENALTY PART OF THIS. UM, THERE'S ALREADY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MERITS OF THE, OF THE, UM, POLICY, WHICH I THINK ARE, UH, PRETTY WELL DOCUMENTED. MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE IN ALL OF THIS, WE'RE GETTING LOST A PRETTY SIMPLE, UM, PROPOSITION HERE THAT, THAT LORI MADE PRETTY CLEAR. THERE IS A CR A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF UNEASE IN OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT INCENTIVES, PUBLIC DOLLARS BEING USED TO CREATE DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION AFTER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT FROM THE CCHI P POLICY TO I CRIP, UH, TO THE HOUSING TRUST. AND ALL THAT WORK IS UNDERWAY WITH OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING INCENTIVE PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. EXCUSE ME. UM, LORI, I JUST WANNA ASK ONE QUESTION AND I'M GONNA MAKE A SUGGESTION. DOES THIS POLICY IN ANY WAY CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE INCENTIVES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY? NO, IT DOESN'T. IT'S JUST A POLICY THAT WE'LL INCORPORATE IN OUR INCENTIVE CONTRACTS MOVING FORWARD. IT, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU'RE GETTING PUBLIC INCENTIVES, PUBLIC DOLLARS FOR BUILDING DEVELOPMENT, HENCE FOURTH, YOU'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE, UH, MOST HOUSING AND SECURE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE ON VOUCHERS, UM, ARE NOT TOLD THAT THEY'RE INELIGIBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE RECEIVING VOUCHERS. CORRECT. SEEMS LIKE A VERY FUNDAMENTAL AND SIMPLE PROPOSITION TO ME. HOWEVER, I DO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE PENALTY OF THIS. UM, I KNOW THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT HOW THIS CAME FORWARD WITHOUT A B SESSION. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, UH, TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT WE KICK THIS TO A B SESSION. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SESSIONS SCHEDULED NEXT WEEK. UM, SO WE'RE WIDE OPEN ON WEDNESDAY. UH, I AM HAPPY TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING ON WEDNESDAY. WE CAN HAMMER THIS ISSUE OUT ON THE 21ST, I BELIEVE IT IS, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, UM, EXPEDITIOUSLY FROM THERE. BUT THAT'LL ALLOW US SOME TIME AS A COUNCIL TO WORK ON THIS PUBLICLY, UH, TO HAMMER OUT THIS ISSUE OF THE, OF THE PENALTY. UH, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. EVER MOVE, MAYOR, I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION. I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION IF THAT'S, UH, IF THAT'S SOMETHING TO SUPPORT THAT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER GRA WILL GO AHEAD AND, UM, MAKE THAT MOTION TO MOVE IT TO A B SESSION. MAYOR, I MOTION TO MOVE, UM, ITEM 20 TO A B SESSION, UH, TO A SPECIAL SESSION NEXT WEEK. APRIL 2ND. 22ND 21. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER GRO. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE MAKING A MOTION. I APOLOGIZE. WE'RE MAKING A MOTION. SO, UH, COUNCILMAN BLIS MOTION IS, IS HAS BEEN REMOVED. COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, PLY WITHDREW HIS MOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN CORRECT. IS PUTTING A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO MOVE ITEM 20 TO A SPECIAL SESSION ON APRIL 21ST, AND WE CAN CLARIFY THE TIME THAT WORKS WITH EVERYBODY. AND WHO SECOND THAT? I'M SORRY. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PLY HAS SECONDED THE MOTION. OKAY. WE, WE GOOD ON THAT. OKAY. NOW I, I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR NOW IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO A SPECIAL SESSION. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER GRO ARE, ARE YOU GOOD? OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER ROCHA GARCIA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, SO WHEN WOULD WE VOTE ON IT AS A COUNCIL? IF WE'RE MOVING THIS TO B SESSION? WHAT OR HOW SO, UM, WE HAVE THE, THE NEXT, UH, SCHEDULED A SESSION IS ON THE 29TH, WHICH IS THE FOLLOWING WEEK. UH, SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT BASED ON THE DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK, AND WE CAN AGENDIZE BY THE END OF THE WEEK IF NECESSARY. OTHERWISE, WE, UH, COUNSEL WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN TALK ABOUT SCHEDULING. I WOULD BE, UM, IN FAVOR OF US PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA ON THE 29TH, BUT WE WOULDN'T AGENDIZE THAT ANYWAYS, TILL NEXT WEEK. OKAY. THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION FOR NOW. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SAN UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. I, I, I'M SORRY, I, I WASN'T CLEAR YOU, SO THE, THE QUESTION WAS IF, UH, WE HAMMER OUT THIS ISSUE NEXT WEEK IN A WORKING SESSION. WHEN WOULD WE SEE THIS TO VOTE ON IT AND PUT IT INTO EFFECT? THE NEXT SCHEDULED A SESSION FOR VOTING WOULD IS SCHEDULED FOR THE 29TH AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. AND SO, UH, WE AGENDIZE THAT WE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT, UH, AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK, WHICH WILL GIVE US TIME TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ON THE 21ST UNDER OUR BELT. [05:15:01] OKAY, GREAT. UM, SO AT A, A COUPLE OF, UH, QUESTIONS. UH, WHEN WOULD WE SEE THE FIRST UNIT WHERE THIS ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY? IF IT'S ADOPTED? EVEN IF IT'S ADOPTED? UM, YOU KNOW, N NEXT TIME, ONCE ADOPTED, ONCE ADOPTED, IT'D BE WHATEVER THE FIRST PROJECT THAT COMES TO FULL COUNCIL WOULD BE. SO IT DEPENDS ON OUR PIPELINE OF PROJECTS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PROJECT WE HAVE IN OUR DEPARTMENT OR A PROJECT C C D O MAY HAVE, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE AFTER, AFTER COUNCIL ADOPTS IT. SO WHATEVER THE FIRST PROJECT IS, AND THEN WHATEVER THE FIRST PROJECT IS, IF IT'S A BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT COULD BE 18 MONTHS, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS BEFORE THE UNIT IS IN THE GROUND. IF IT'S A REHAB, IT WOULD BE SOONER, BUT IT'S WHEN THAT UNIT IS AVAILABLE TO BE RENTED. OKAY. SO THEN COUNCILMAN, WE'LL, WE'LL NEXT WEEK AT THE SPECIAL SESSION, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PIPELINE THAT, UH, VETO WAS DESCRIBING AND, AND KIND OF INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE MM-HMM. , THE DISCUSSION. I APPRECIATE THAT, ERIC. THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR. WE REALLY AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT HERE THAT THERE IS A SOMEWHAT OF A SENSE OF URGENCY OF GETTING THIS ON THE BOOKS BECAUSE THE PROJECTS THAT THIS WILL APPLY TO HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN BUILT YET. SO THE SOONER WE CAN ADOPT THIS, THE, THE SOONER IT WILL, UH, WE'LL SEE THE BENEFITS OF IT IN THE FUTURE. SO, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER VIA GRAHAM. YES, MAYOR. AND, AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THAT NOTE, UH, WHAT THE POINTS THAT BOTH OF MY COLLEAGUES JUST SAID, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO PUT THE EXPECTATION ON STAFF THAT WE ARE GOING TO AGENDIZE IT ON THE 29TH OF APRIL, UM, WHICH WITH WHATEVER, UM, ADJUSTMENTS OR NON-AD ADJUSTMENTS ARE MADE, AND HAVE AN UP AND DOWN VOTE, THEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VIRON, UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE MOVING OF ITEM 22, A SPECIAL SESSION NEXT WEEK? UH, TO HAMMER OUT THE DETAILS? I, I CERTAINLY AGREE NON-DISCRIMINATION SHOULD NOT WAIT, BUT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS PROVISION TAKEN CARE OF IN A, IN A DISCUSSION, UH, BEFORE WE DO, UH, SOLIDIFY IT WITH A VOTE. SO, UM, ALRIGHT. UH, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, UH, THIS, THERE'S A MOTION A SECOND TO CONTINUE THE I OR TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO A SPECIAL SESSION ON THE 21ST WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT WE'LL BE BACK IN A SESSION ON THE 29TH, PLEASE VOTE. YES. ALRIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND I APPRECIATE THE CANDID DIALOGUE TODAY. UH, LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT WEEK'S MEETING AND WE'LL GET THAT TIMED, UH, TO YOUR CALENDARS. ALRIGHT. UM, I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ZONING ITEMS LEFT. UH, WE'LL START WITH ZONING ITEM Z 13. I'M SORRY. Z SEVEN. [Z-7. 21-2857 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700305 CD (Council District 2): Ordinance amending the Zoning District Boundary from "C-3 MLOD-3 MLR-1" General Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District to "C-3 CD MLOD-3 MLR-1" General Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District with Conditional Use for a Construction Trades Contractor with Outside Storage on Lot 36 and Lot 39, NCB 10613, located at 146 North WW White Road. Staff recommends Denial. Zoning Commission recommends Approval.] THANK YOU. MAYOR Z SEVEN IS REZONING FROM C THREE TO C THREE CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE LOCATED AT 1 46 NORTH WW WHITE ROAD. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, 12 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. UM, ITEM Z SEVEN, UH, I THINK IS, IS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. UH, THANKS MAYOR. UM, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE FOR OUR C UH, THREE WITH CONDITIONAL USE. WE HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WHO ACTUALLY LIVES ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AND WE DO KNOW THAT ALL OF THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT AREA WERE CONTACTED AND THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS, UM, CONDITIONAL USE. SO I MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION. UH, WAS THERE A SECOND? YES, SIR. UH, SECOND BY SANDOVAL, UM, ON ITEM Z SEVEN HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE YES. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM [Z-13. 21-2870 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700023 (Council District 3):Ordinance amending the Zoning District Boundary from "C-3NA MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-3 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on 0.0361 acres out of NCB 11155, located at 3822 Pleasanton Road. Staff and Zoning Commission recommend Approval.] Z 13 Z 13 IS A REZONING FROM C THREE NA TO C THREE, LOCATED AT 38 22 PLEASANTON ROAD. STAFF ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL. FIVE NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSED. ALRIGHT. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER VRAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, THIS IS A LARGE COMMERCIAL SPACE RIGHT NOW AND THERE ARE SOME ISSUES HISTORICALLY WITH TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS IN THE AREA AS WELL AS STREET PARKING THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION FROM AREA RESIDENTS. IT'S ALSO CONCERNING THAT A VERY LARGE PROPERTY ONLY HAD FIVE NOTIFICATIONS MAILED [05:20:01] OUT, AND ST. LAWRENCE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY, ALSO REACHED OUT TO MY OFFICE WITH CONCERNS, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ADDING OR REMOVING AN NA AN ALCOHOLIC, UH, VARIANCE, UM, IN A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IT WAS PUT ON IN 2010. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, AND WE'RE STILL MONITORING THIS AND HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS, I'D LIKE TO MOVE, UH, MOTION TO CONTINUE UNTIL MAY 20TH. GOT IT. ALRIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION SECOND AND A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEM Z 13 TO MAY 20TH. YES, PLEASE VOTE. YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONTINUANCE. YES. VOTE IS TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO MAY 20. YES SIR. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, MAKE SURE THAT'S RECORDED IN THE RECORD PROPERLY. THAT IS A CONTINUANCE. 11. OH, THAT IS CORRECT. 20TH. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY. UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A COUPLE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE, UM, WHO WE'RE HERE FOR ITEM P FOUR. [CONSENT AGENDA (Part 2 of 2)] UM, I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU WERE NOT HERE WHEN THAT ITEM WAS TAKEN. IT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON AND PASSED. UM, AND IF YOU ARE, UH, MR. WEISS, UM, AGAIN, THAT, THAT ITEM HAS ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON BY COUNSEL. I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE BEEN WAITING. UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES AND, UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THIS, THIS ITEM IS ALREADY PASSED, SO I'LL GIVE YOU A, UM, THE FLOOR. GO AHEAD. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YEAH, SO THAT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT IT, THAT IT WAS PASSED. UM, PERHAPS, UH, WHAT I HAVE TO SAY MAY INFLUENCED, UH, SOME FUTURE DECISIONS ON, UM, UM, ZONING CHANGES IN THE SCENIC LOOP AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH SCENIC LOOP, SO IF I COULD JUST READ MY COMMENTS AND, UH, AGAIN, HOPEFULLY IT IT'LL HAVE SOME BEARING ON, ON FUTURE. UM, I DON'T THINK THE COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDS THAT SCENIC LOOP ROAD IS PRIMARILY AN AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL AREA ILL SUITED FOR THE GROWTH OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THE CONTINUED GROWTH OF COMMERCIAL VENTURES IS DRAMATICALLY CHANGING THE RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL NATURE OF THIS AREA. UM, WITH THE OPENING OF THE DIVIDE BAR, UH, WHICH IS A MUSIC VENUE ON BABCOCK, THE AREA NOW HAS BEEN AFFECTED BY NOISE LIGHTING AND GARBAGE POLLUTION. IN FACT, I BELIEVE THE BAR CONTINUES TO BE ZONED AS AGRICULTURAL AND NOT CONSISTENT WITH ITS USE AS A, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. I'M CONCERNED THAT THE VENTURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE, UH, VOTED ON EARLIER, 2 1 8 8 0 SCENIC LOOP WILL FURTHER EXACERBATE THE LIGHTING AND NOISE POLLUTION. UH, WE HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH, I OWN AND LIVE ON PROPERTY JUST NORTH OF THAT PROPOSED VENTURE, UM, AND ALSO HAVE RENTERS WITH FAMILIES WHO LIVE. AND ALSO I RAISE LIVESTOCK ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. THE NOISE AND LIGHTING OF THIS PROPOSED FACILITY COUPLED WITH THE BAR AND MUSIC VENUE HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO AFFECT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL AS, UH, MANY OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS WHO LIVE, UH, IN THE SCENIC LOOP, UH, AREA. PRIVACY IS A HUGE CONCERN. WE'RE CONCERNED THAT CLEARING TREES AND OTHER VEGETATION COUPLED WITH 18 TO 20 FOOT LIGHTS IN THE PRESENCE OF 22 CONDO OWNERS WILL LEAVE US AND OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE CLOSE TO THE FACILITY, UH, VULNERABLE TO NOISE LIGHT AND, AND ADDITIONAL GARBAGE POLLUTION. THIS WILL ONLY ADD TO THE LOSS OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE WE ARE EXPERIENCING, UH, FROM THE BAR VENUE, UH, CALLED THE DIVIDE. UH, IF STOPPING THIS REZONING IS NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS JUNCTURE, WHICH APPARENTLY IT'S NOT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY COUNCIL IMPOSE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN TO ENSURE, AND AGAIN, IT'S, I GUESS THAT'S UNLIKELY AT THIS POINT TOO, TO ENSURE PROPER, UH, SOLID PRIVACY FENCING AT LEAST 15 FEET TALL AND RESTRICT THE AMOUNT AND HEIGHT OF THE LIGHTNING LIGHTING AND THE IMPOSITION OF A SOUND ORDINANCE THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT IN PLACE AT THE BAR, UH, AND THE MUSIC VENUE, UM, WHICH HAS CAUSED, UH, TREMENDOUS AMONGST MANY OF THE RESIDENTS. PERHAPS YOU COULD LOOK INTO THE ISSUE WITH SOUND AT THE BAR MUSIC VENUE AS WELL, UH, AT A LATER DATE. FINALLY, IF MY PRESENCE HERE AND APPARENTLY IT WAS A FOOL'S FOLLY, UM, THEN PERHAPS THE CITY COUNCIL COULD USE ITS POWER TO FURTHER RESTRICT THE GROWTH OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON SCENIC LOOP ROAD, UH, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THIS HISTORIC ROAD AND ALLOW ITS RESIDENTS TO CONTINUE TO ENJOY THE QUALITY OF LIFE WE HAVE ENJOYED FOR DECADES. SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND IF YOU SEE THESE [05:25:01] THINGS COME UP AGAIN, AT LEAST, UH, CONSIDER MY COMMENTS, UH, AS WE GO FORWARD. THANK YOU MR. ELAM. UM, EXCUSE ME, MR. WEISS. UH, SAMANTHA ELAM ARE, ARE YOU SEATING YOUR TIME AGAIN? THAT ITEM IS GONE, UH, ONE THAT MR. WEISS JUST SPOKE TO, AND IF YOU HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SUBMIT THEM TO THE COUNCIL. WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY'RE DISTRIBUTED. I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK WITHOUT ELECTED REPRESENTATION. WE ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT PROPER PROTECTIONS ARE PUT INTO PLACE TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE LIVED ALONG SCENIC LOOP ROAD. AND THAT'S MY TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. ELAM. OKAY. UM, THAT IS THE, THE DURATION OF OUR CITY COUNCIL A SESSION AGENDA. WE DO HAVE A, A B SESSION, EXCUSE ME, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM YESTERDAY. UH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, IS THERE A CITY MANAGER'S REPORT? THERE IS MAYOR, BUT I'LL HOLD IT, UH, FOR NEXT WEEK AND, UH, SHARE THE VIDEO WITH YOU NEXT WEEK. IT'S GREAT VIDEO. NO, UH, OKAY. YEAH. OH, ALRIGHT. UM, BUT BEFORE WE GO INTO EXEC, I, IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE, UH, TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UM, COUNCILMAN COURAGE IS CELEBRATING ANOTHER, UH, ONE OF HIS MANY, MANY BIRTHDAYS . SO LET'S WISH HIM VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JOHN. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. LET ME JUST TELL YOU ALL I AM CELEBRATING THE 31ST ANNIVERSARY OF MY 39TH BIRTHDAY, . CONGRATULATIONS JOHN. WE WILL GIVE YOU YOUR PRESIDENT EXECUTIVE SESSION. ALL RIGHT. THE TIME IS NOW [Executive Session] 2:43 PM ON THURSDAY, APRIL 15TH, 2021. THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOW MEET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.071 AND DELIBERATE DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS THAT WERE POSTED ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, APRIL 14TH, 2021, BUT NOT REACHED, INCLUDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.087, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE PURCHASE EXCHANGE, LEASE, OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.072, REAL PROPERTY AND CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR LEGAL ISSUES OR ADVICE RELATED TO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING LITIGATION INVOLVING THE CITY C OVID 19 PREPAREDNESS, LEGAL OPTIONS, AND A LEGAL UPDATE AND ANALYSIS ON C P S AND SAWS LITIGATION INVESTIGATIONS RELATED TO THIS WINTER STORM UNDER 5 5 1 0.071. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. TIME IS 4:12 PM ON THIS THURSDAY, APRIL 15TH, 2021 CITY COUNCIL HAS RECONVENED FROM ITS EXECUTIVE SESSION. NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN. OUR SESSION IS NOW ADJOURNED. HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.