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[San Antonio Select Committee on the 2021 Winter Storm Preparedness and Response on April 23, 2021.]
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.UH, WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THIS, UH, MEETING OF THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS, UH, COMMITTEE.
UM, I WOULD, FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THE WEBSITE.
UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S COMING ALONG AND WE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE POSTING QUITE A FEW, UM, UH, DOCUMENTS ARE, ARE WHAT WE'RE CALLING RFIS.
NOW, FOR EVERYONE OUT THERE THAT'S REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION, UH, WE, UH, WANTED TO KEEP THE CONFUSION BETWEEN A QUESTION AND AN R F I QUESTIONS ARE WHAT COME INTO US.
WE SEND REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION AFTER WE'VE AGGREGATED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE REDUNDANT AND WE'VE AUGMENTED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE BELIEVE PEOPLE, UH, UH, HAD AN INTENT BUT DIDN'T QUITE GET THERE.
SO HOPEFULLY IN OUR FIRST, UH, COUPLE OF MEETINGS WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS, AND AS WE GET NEW ONES, UH, WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT, UH, SENDING RFIS.
OUR NUMBERING ORDER IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
AND IF WE HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO AN R F I ONE, I BELIEVE WE'RE USING OUR R F I ONE A OR TWO, YEAH, ONE A, UH, THAT WAY WE, WE DON'T GET TOO CONFUSING.
AND, AND, AND HOPEFULLY WHEN WE GET THE NEW WEBSITE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, TRACK THROUGH THOSE, UH, FAIRLY EFFICIENTLY FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO.
UH, NOW, AT THIS TIME, LET ME TURN IT OVER TO ALEX, WHO'S GOING TO GIVE US A LITTLE UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE WEBSITES AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH OUR CURRENT WEBSITE.
UM, SO FOR THE COMMITTEE AND FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING, THE CURRENT WEBSITE WILL BE UPDATED BY END OF DAY TODAY WITH THE DOCUMENTS THAT THE COMMITTEE APPROVES FOR RELEASE.
IF YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK, THIS WILL NOT BE THE FINAL ITERATION OF THE WAY THE DOCUMENTS WILL LOOK, BUT IN AN EFFORT TO GET THINGS OUT IN A TIMELY MANNER, THEY WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE AND THEY WILL BE DESIGNATED AS, YOU KNOW, AN AN INITIAL RESPONSE IN A, IN A TABULAR FORMAT.
AND THAT WILL BE LIVE ON THE SITE BY END OF DAY.
IN TERMS OF THE NEW WEBSITE, WE ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE.
I WAS ABLE TO DO A, UH, KIND OF CLICK THROUGH TEST WITH I T S D.
WE ARE STILL WORKING ON BUILDING OUT ALL OF THE TABLES TO BE ABLE TO INPUT THE DOCUMENTS, UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE ARE ON TRACK IN TERMS OF TIMEFRAME AND HOPE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE COMMITTEE, UM, MAYBE NOT A FINAL, FINAL VERSION, BUT TO BE ABLE TO, TO SHOW A PRELIMINARY VERSION THAT WOULD BE UP AND RUNNING BY NEXT WEEK UP AND RUNNING BY NEXT WEEK.
OUR FIRST, UH, ORDER IS TO, UM, TO LOOK AT THE C P S QUESTIONS.
UH, WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE A SUMMARY PREPARED BY ALEX AND, AND ANA AND I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE, AND NOW WE CAN DESIGNATE 'EM AS WHAT I'M CALLING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL.
WE DIDN'T THINK WE HAD THIS CAPABILITY, BUT, UH,
UH, SO LET'S, UH, LET'S PUT THE, THAT, UH, UH, WORKSHEET ON THE SCREEN AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, IF YOU COULD, UH, KIND OF WORK WITH ME HERE ON IT, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF 'EM AND KIND OF DECIDE.
THEY'RE ALL GONNA GET POSTED, OKAY? SO DON'T NO ONE GET NERVOUS ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S HOW WE POST THEM.
WE FEEL SOME OF THESE, UH, RESPONSES, UH, HAVE BEEN, UH, ARE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET AND, AND ARE, ARE RESPONSIVE.
WE, WE HAVE RESPONSIVE, WE HAVE GOOD RESPONSES, BUT WE HAVE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
SO JUST BECAUSE WE PUT SOMETHING IN THE, THE COLUMN THAT'S NOT PERMANENT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE REJECTING IT.
IT MEANS THAT WE COULD BE ACTUALLY CONTINUING TO ASK QUESTIONS ON IT OR, OR, OR HAVE, UH, FOLLOW UP, UH, QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS ANA AND I WILL, UH, WE'LL SAY WHICH ONE IT'S IN, AND THEN WE'LL GO AROUND TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
AND IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS, UH, ABOUT SOMETHING WHERE WE'VE CATEGORIZED THEM, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS 'EM.
BUT LET'S GIVE EVERYBODY A, A, A STARTING POINT.
ALRIGHT? UH, I GUESS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIGGER THAN THAT FOR ME, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE PRIMER THAT WAS ASKED FOR BY, UH, BY, UH, UH, CLAYTON.
AND, UH, I, I BELIEVE THE, THE PRIMER'S GOOD.
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BE SOME, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A FOLLOW UP TO IT ON, ON ANOTHER QUESTION THAT ANA'S GONNA, UH, PRESENT TODAY, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN PUT THAT UNDER THE, UH, WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL.UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT I, YOU JUST GAVE ME A HEAD FAKE THERE.
THAT'S NOT A FOLLOW UP, THAT'S A, THAT'S POST THAT IN A, IN A COMPLETE, AND, AND I GUESS, UM, IT'S POST A WEBSITE.
AND UNDER THIS NEXT COLUMN, WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO IS, IS SAY, UH, UH, COMPLETED OR PENDING.
AND, UH, UH, LET'S JUST SAY, JUST PUT THE, ONE OF THOSE TWO WORDS THERE.
UH, AND, AND, AND YOU CAN, OR YOU CAN PUT STATUS AND THEN COMPLETE IT IN PENDING.
ON THE TITLE, THE TITLE STATUS, AND THEN COMPLETED HER PENDING.
SORRY, WE'RE DOING THIS IN REAL, REAL LIFE TIME BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID WE AREN'T DOING.
SO WE'RE GONNA LET YOU SEE IT ALL.
ALL RIGHT, NOW LET'S GO TO THE SECOND ONE WHILE SHE, UH, WORKS ON THAT READ.
SO IF WE'RE GOING, IF WE'RE WAITING FOR THE ADDITIONAL QUESTION, OH, WAIT, YOU HAVEN'T DECIDED IF IT'S COMPLETED OR PENDING YET? WELL, I'M, I'M SAYING THAT, THAT QUESTION, YOURS IS GONNA BE A SEPARATE QUESTION.
SO I'M, IF THAT QUESTION, THIS ONE BE COMPLETE IS FINISHED, WE'LL PUT ANOTHER QUESTION UNDER IT AND THEN DO THAT.
I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP HERE WITH ALL THESE YOUNG PEOPLE.
UH, THIS IS, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S MAKE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED IS, IS NOT COMPLETE.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO ASK QUESTIONS ON THAT.
UM, WE HAVE SHIFTED FROM THE TRADITIONAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, AND THAT'LL, I THINK, BEING IN ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE PUTTING OUT TODAY, WE'VE SHIFTED FROM THAT TO A, UM, A FUNCTIONAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, AND WE'LL SEE.
SO THAT ONE IS, UM, UH, YOU, YOU CAN JUST TAKE A NOTE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE OVER EACH TIME, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT MIGHT SPEED IT UP.
THE, THE PRODUCED MONTHLY, UH, UH, DURING, UH, DURING THIS PERIOD HAS BEEN SUPPLIED, UH, AND WE'VE ASKED THAT IT BE SUPPLIED IN A, AN EXCEL FORM.
IT'S BEEN SUPPLIED IN A P D F.
UH, SO IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT COMPLETE.
UH, PROVIDE THE TOTAL HOURS, UH, DISTRIBUTED ON THE NATIVE LOAD.
UM, LET'S SEE, PRODUCED, WE GOT DISTRIBUTED, UM, WE GOT THAT AND SOLD TO ERCOT.
UM, BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO TO GET THAT, WHAT WE REALLY GOT IS A, UM, A, A LIST OF WHAT WE SOLD TO ERCOT.
SO WE CAN MAKE THE, THE, WE CAN DO THE SUBTRACTION.
UH, THE, UH, WE DO NOT HAVE FIVE.
UM, I THINK WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, SIX, UH, I'M GONNA KIND OF LOOK TO ANNA WHAT SHE THINKS ON THAT.
SORRY, FOR, FOR THOSE WATCHING US IN REAL TIME.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO READ THE QUESTION AGAIN.
JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
UH, DO I NEED TO BACK UP OR YOU THINK I CAN JUST ASK FOR FORGIVENESS AND GO ON
PROVIDE THE TOTAL MEGAWATT HOURS DISTRIBUTED MONTHLY TO C P SS NATIVE LOAD AND, AND SOLD TO ERCOT FOR FISCAL YEARS 2019 THROUGH 2020.
AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, THE ENDING MONTH OF THE 2020 YEAR IS JANUARY.
I MEAN, 2021 IS JANUARY, 2021.
SO WE WILL RECEIVE, UH, INFORMATION FROM FEBRUARY, 2019 THROUGH JANUARY, 2021, VERY CURRENT DATA.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE THAT THE NUMBER FIVE PROVIDE THE TOTAL MEGAWATT HOURS PURCHASED MONTHLY FROM ERCOT.
UM, AND I DO NOT HAVE, HAVE THAT, I HAVE THE HOURS SOLD, UH, BASED ON PRIOR WEATHER EVENTS AND CURRENT FORECASTS LEADING UP TO THE FEBRUARY 9TH WAS THE EXPECTED GENERATION OF POWER BY PLANT PROJECTED RECEIPT OF EACH POWER FOR THE WEATHER EVENT.
I WOULD SAY THAT THAT AT THIS POINT IS INCOMPLETE.
WE HAVE RECEIVED A LITTLE BIT, AND WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, WE WILL POST BASED ON THE PRIOR WEATHER EVENTS.
MAYBE TO, UM, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET INTO SOME QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO.
IF, IF ALEX, IF YOU COULD SHOW THE OTHER
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COLUMN, WE CAN SHOW YOU WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN RECEIVED OR NOT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING WHICH ONES YOU WANNA POST THIS FINAL.SO, UM, JUST SO TO RECAP, ONE WAS FINAL TWO.
I DIDN'T QUITE, UH, CATCH WHETHER YOU WANTED US TO POST THAT OR NOT.
SO THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART, TWO, WHILE THEY PROVIDED SOME STUFF, WE'RE GONNA POST IT.
IF YOU MOVE OVER, UH, ALEX, YES, THEY PROVIDED SOMETHING, BUT IT'S NOT COMPLETE.
LET'S MOVE BACK TO THREE BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO GO BACK AND FORTH.
BINGE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS PROVIDING THE HOURS PRODUCED MONTHLY AND SUPPLIED BY EACH PURCHASE POWER SOURCE.
THEY HAVE SUPPLIED IT AND IT IS IT, WHAT WE HAVE IS COMPLETE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT.
I'M JUST GONNA CALL THAT COMPLETED.
BUT STILL, OR, OR WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? ANI YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO CALL IT PENDING? I, I DON'T, I DON'T CARE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT STILL, IT STILL NEEDS TO COME IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT.
I'D SAY, I'D SAY PENDING UNTIL YOU PASSED AWAY.
THE HOURS DISTRIBUTED MONTHLY TO THE NATIVE LOAD AND SOLD ERCOT, THEY GAVE US THE, THE VOLUME SOLD ERCOT.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY CAN TAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS PRODUCED.
IT HAD TO GO TO THE NATIVE LOAD UNLESS IT WAS SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
SO I GUESS WE REALLY PROBABLY OUGHT TO SAY THAT THAT'S PENDING TOO, BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE BESIDES ERCOT.
AND SO I'D SAY THAT'S PENDING.
AND I, UH, I, I, I TRUST YOUR MATH, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND LET THEM DO, DO THE, THE MATH.
WELL, YOU, YOU TRUST MORE THAN I DO, SO YOU'RE RIGHT.
SO IT'S, UH, WE'RE GONNA POST IT TO THE WEBSITE.
UH, I THOUGHT WE'D RECEIVED THAT.
AND IT SAYS NO, IT WAS BEHIND THE HOURS ON THE, UM, UNITS.
I, I, NO, I'M STILL
UM, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE SAW WHAT THEY HAD BOUGHT FROM ERCOT.
PURCHASE FROM ERCOT HAS BEEN RECEIVED, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS COMPLETE.
NO, THERE'S NOTHING TO POST ON THAT ONE.
I'M SORRY, I MADE A MISTAKE THERE.
BUT THE POST TO THE WEBSITE YES.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS SLOW AND GET THROUGH IT AS FAST AS WE CAN.
AND NUMBER SIX, BASED ON PRIOR WEATHER EVENTS AND CURRENT FORECAST LEADING UP TO FEBRUARY, WHAT WAS THE EXPECTED GENERATION POWER BY PLANT PROJECTED RECEIPT FROM EACH, UM, MOVE OVER ON THAT ONE.
I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE GOT THAT.
SO IT'S JUST NO, LEAVE IT ALONE.
THE NEXT ONE IS NUMBER, UH, EIGHT.
UM, NOW EIGHT WAS A VERY LONG DOCUMENT, UH, AND WE DID RECEIVE IT.
AND, UM, IT WAS MORE ON BEFORE, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT DURING, SO I WOULD SAY WHAT WE GOT IS RESPONSIVE, UNLESS, HONESTLY, SOMETHING I DON'T, UM, SO LET'S, LET'S SAY IT IS, IT'S DONE GEOGRAPHICALLY.
UH, THIS IS AN ONGOING, UH, QUESTION, UH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UM, THIS SAYS NUMBER NINE, GEOGRAPHICALLY DONATE THE CIRCUITS AND EXPLAIN HOW EACH CIRCUIT IS DESIGNATED AS AS CRITICAL LOW ARE INTERRUPTIBLE.
THEY DID DESCRIBE THE, HOW YOU DESIGNATE 'EM.
THEY DID NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY DELINEATE, UH, THE CIRCUITS.
UH, SO THIS HAS BEEN RECEIVED, UH, SOME HAS, BUT IT IS STILL, UH, IT WILL GET POSTED, BUT IT IS STILL PENDING.
SO NOW WE GO BACK TO THE NEXT NUMBER, UH, WHICH IS DESCRIBED THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT SYSTEM USING AUTOMATED MANUAL.
I GOT A, WE GOT, WE GOT A DESCRIPTION OF THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET ANY MORE DESCRIPTION OF THAT.
AND IF WE, UH, SO I, NOT UP TO YOU, BUT I, I
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THINK WHAT WE GOT IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET.SO IT'S THERE AND IT'S GET POSTED AND IT'S COMPLETE.
NOW LET'S MOVE BACK TO WHAT COMMUNICATION PROCEDURES, SPECIFIC POINTS OF CONTACT.
UM, COMMUNICATIONS IS REALLY MORE IN YOUR AREA.
I, WHAT DID YOU THINK ON THIS ONE? I GOTTA KIND OF, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT IT, IT'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT THERE.
ULTIMATELY, THIS HAS GOTTA WORK INTO OUR TIMELINE SOME WAY.
THEY PUT EVERYTHING THEY DID THAT WE ASKED.
UM, AND THAT'S THEIR KIND OF DATA DUMP ON WHAT THE INFORMATION WAS.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE HERE.
HONOR, I, I'D SAY IF IT'S NOT THERE, THEN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND, AND THE NEXT ONE, UM, UH, HOW MUCH WAS EACH GENERATION UNIT? WE DO NOT HAVE THAT NOT RECEIVED.
WHAT OPERATIONAL PROBLEMS WERE ENCOUNTERED BY THE PLANTS? WE DID NOT GET THAT.
DID THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE WEATHER EVENT OPERATE EFFECTIVELY? OKAY.
UH, WELL, THEY DID SUPPLY US SOMETHING.
UH, UH, I THINK IT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET.
UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD LIKE ANNA'S INPUT ON THIS.
ON, OH, WE'RE ON THE, THE, WE'RE ON 14, WHICH IS THE DEMAND.
SO THEY TOLD US THE PROCEDURES THAT WERE IN PLACE, THEY EXPLAINED HOW THEY DIDN'T WORK, UM, AND THEY DIDN'T EXPLAIN THE, UH, EQUALLY, UH, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T, THEY COULDN'T DO IT EQUALLY.
AND THAT'S A PART OF ANOTHER QUESTION IS THAT WHO WAS, WHO WAS NOT EQUITABLY TREATED? AND THAT'S A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN TODAY.
SO I CAN SAY WE RECEIVED SOMETHING, UM, I CAN SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S PENDING IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH MY COLLEAGUE, MR. CHAIR.
ONE CONSIDERATION IS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THE ANSWERS AND THE ANSWERS ARE AS COMPLETE, UM, TO THE DIRECT QUESTION, AND THEN YOU CAN INDICATE THEM AS BEING RESPONSIVE.
AND THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS ARE GONNA, IN ESSENCE, BE NEW QUESTIONS, CORRECT? WELL, THERE'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE LAST, UH, TWO SENTENCES OF THE SECOND LINE IN THE FIRST, I MEAN, LAST TWO WORDS IN THE, IN THE FIRST THREE WORDS OF THE THIRD LINE.
SO IN THAT CASE, WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND INDICATE THAT AS A PENDING YES, IT'S A PENDING AND WE DO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FOR IT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION BE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SOME FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS, RIGHT? ONCE IT'S ALL DIGESTED, E EXACTLY.
YOU'RE, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
OKAY, THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS 15, HOW MANY HOURS PER DAY FROM FEBRUARY 9TH TO EIGHTH WAS EACH INTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUIT NOT ENGAGED? OKAY.
THEY GAVE US THAT IN A SEQUENCE NUMBER.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT SEQUENCE NUMBER CROSS-REFERENCE TO SOME GEOGRAPHIC DESIGNATION TO UNDERSTAND THE EQUITY ISSUE.
SO TO SAY THAT THIS ISN'T COMPLETE IS PROBABLY NOT RIGHT.
IT, IT'S PROBABLY COMPLETE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE NUMBERS ON EACH CIRCUIT.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CIRCUITS IDENTIFIED.
SO IN THIS ONE, AND I MIGHT CHECK ME HERE, FOLKS.
I, ON THIS ONE, I'D SAY POSTED THE WEBSITE AND I WOULD SAY IT'S PENDING BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GOT IT ASSOCIATED WITH THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA, BUT I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT AS THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA THERE.
SO LET'S PUT COMPLETE, WE CAN HANDLE IT ON ANOTHER ONE.
THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, IS, UM, PRICE VI, WE DID NOT GET THAT.
WE DID NOT GET THE PRICE VOLUME FOR EACH SELLER OF NATURAL GAS ON THE PROMPT SPOT MARKET FROM FEBRUARY 9TH TO 19TH.
PROVIDE THE VOLUMES DELIVERED COMPARED TO VOLUMES EXPECTED.
WE, UH, ON THE MARKET DEALS FROM FEBRUARY 9TH, THE 19TH, WE DID NOT GET THAT, PROVIDE THE DAY AHEAD PRICE FOR NATURAL GAS AT HENRY HUB HOUSTON SHIP CHANNEL OR WAHA.
THEIR PUSHBACK THERE IS, THAT'S PURCHASE INFORMATION THAT THEY RECEIVED FROM A VENDOR, AND THE VENDOR RELATIONSHIP DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO PASS THAT ON.
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I HAVE ASKED ORALLY THAT THEY RECONSIDER THAT IN THEIR PURCHASING GROUP SINCE IT'S HISTORICAL DATA, PERHAPS THE PURCHASING, I THINK IT'S OPUS, UH, IT RUNS THAT ONE.I ASK THEM IF SINCE IT'S HISTORICAL DATA, IF THEY'LL WAIVE THAT CONFIDENTIALITY OR RESTRICTION ON ANYTHING.
IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PURCHASE FROM THE VENDOR? WE CAN, BUT I, I, IT'S TOO, YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO MY EXPERIENCE, MAYBE YOU CAN BUY IT, BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT ONCE IT'S HISTORICAL DATA, IT REALLY HAS LOST A LOT OF ITS, UM, IT'S VALUE AS FAR AS TO THE THEM.
AND THEY SHOULD BE WILLING TO WAIVE THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO TRY THAT FIRST.
DO WE NEED A STATEMENT FROM OUR ATTORNEY? NO, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK SO.
BUT LET'S JUST SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS.
WE'RE STILL KIND OF, WE'RE KIND OF STILL KIND OF WORKING ON THIS ONE.
WE CAN, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN, WE CAN, I CAN TALK TO, UH, THEIR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, SEE IF THERE'S ANY, YEAH, SO ISSUES.
THERE, THERE THERE'S A, THERE'S A TREND HERE THAT'S, THAT'S CONCERNING ME.
JUST LET'S JUST GET ON WITH IT.
UM, DID ERCOT ADMINISTRATIVELY SETTING THE PRICE OF ELECTRIC POWER AT 9,000 MEGAWATT HOUR AND HOLDING THE MAXIMUM PRICE UNTIL FEBRUARY INCENTIVIZED C P S TO INCREASE THEIR PRODUCTION OF ELECTRICITY POWER FOR SALE TO ERCOT? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN ANSWER ON THAT.
THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC, UH, THAT'S ALMOST A YES OR NO, AND WE'RE GONNA WANT A YES OR NO.
AND BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT THE FREE MARKET SYSTEM WAS TOTALLY ABROGATED BY THE ACTIONS ON EARLY ON THE 15TH.
AND AFTER THAT WE WERE NO LONGER IN A FREE MARKET SYSTEM.
AND, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT, BECAUSE AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE YOU RAISE THE PRICE, YOU MIGHT NOT GET ANY MORE.
WE'RE BEGINNING TO GET A LITTLE INFORMATION OUTSIDE OF OUR GROUP, AND WE ARE GONNA PRO TRY TO FOLLOW UP ON IT THAT IN FACT, HOW MUCH DID THEY GET? WELL, COMMON SENSE WOULD TELL YOU IF THEY KEPT ASKING FOR REDUCTIONS, THEY WEREN'T GETTING ANY.
THE NEXT ONE BY ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING THE PRICE OF POWER ON FEB.
THE NEXT ONE FROM FEBRUARY 9TH THROUGH FEBRUARY 19TH PROVIDE THE AMOUNT, PRICE, AND TIMING OF MEGAWATT HOURS PURCHASED FROM OR SOLD TO ERCOT.
AGAIN, WE GOT THE AMOUNT OVER A PERIOD, WE DID NOT GET IT DURING THIS PERIOD.
SO THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED UNLESS SOMEBODY'S SEEN SOMETHING.
AND IT'S NOT RESPONSIVE FROM FEBRUARY 9TH TO 19, PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION OF THE ANCILLARY SERVICES.
THIS IS ANOTHER QUESTION ON, UH, AND OF COURSE, ANCILLARY SERVICES TEND TO BE MORE OF THE PROMPT PURCHASES AS OPPOSED TO THE DAY AHEAD PURCHASES.
JUST SO, UH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND I WILL STAND TOTALLY CORRECTED AND LOOK FOR ANY EDUCATION ON ANCILLARY SERVICES ANYONE WANTS TO PROVIDE.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS, UH, WHAT WAS THE MESSAGE AND TIMING OF EACH COMMUNICATION WITH CUSTERS MEDIA OPERATION CENTERS? I BELIEVE AND, AND ANA, CHECK ME HERE.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA POST THE WEBSITE AND IT'S, IT'S COMPLETED.
THE NEXT QUESTION IS, UH, WILL THE DEVELOPER, AFTER RECEIVING ANSWERS TO THE INITIAL QUESTION, RELATING TO THE PERIODS BEFORE AND DURING THE WEATHER EVENT? OH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A FOLLOW UP.
WE, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED AND, AND WHY BEFORE WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY DID AFTERWARDS.
SO THAT, UH, DOES THAT CONCLUDE OUR QUESTIONS, I HOPE? OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS AROUND THE GROUP? LET ME, UH, LEMME ADVANCE IT OVER TO, UH, MANNY ON THE SCREEN FIRST.
THIS IS VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH, UH, WHAT THE OTHER GROUPS DID, AND, UH, I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK YOU GUYS PUT INTO IT.
WE'LL START OVER HERE WITH LISA AND COME ON AROUND TO CLAYTON.
I, I THINK AT THIS POINT I HAVE, UM, MY SATURATION IN TERMS OF BANDWIDTH.
AND UNTIL START PUTTING THE OTHER PIECES TOGETHER, IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO DISCERN IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE INTERPLAY.
I THINK, UM, ADRIANA, ED AND I, UM, ARE GONNA FIND OURSELVES PERHAPS EVEN SEEKING ASSISTANCE FROM OTHERS AS THESE OTHER TASKS ARE COMPLETED SO THAT WE CAN REALLY WEAVE IN THESE ASPECTS THAT I THINK ARE DRIVING TO THE DURING THAT WE DON'T YET HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT.
I THINK IT'S, UH, WELL ORGANIZED.
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WE, IN THE, UH, SAWS PORTION WE'RE IN, STILL IN THE PROCESS OF COMBINING OUR COMMENTS FROM THE TWO STAFFS, FROM MANNY'S STAFF AND MY STAFF AND, AND GOING THROUGH AND EVALUATING THE ANSWERS.AND THERE'S, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT PORTION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET BACK WITH SAWS AND, AND GET SOME MORE EXPLANATIONS ON 'EM.
BUT AS FAR AS THIS FORMAT AND WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.
AND, AND I GUESS YOU'LL USE KIND OF THE SAME FORMAT YES, SIR.
MANNY, ANYTHING ON THAT? I, I, UM, I WILL SAY THAT SASS DID A, A GOOD FIRST EFFORT, UM, BUT IT LEFT US WITH MORE QUESTIONS, UM, AND SOME OF THE, AND, AND REALLY JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T KNOW AND, UH, WE WEREN'T PREPARED AND, UM, THERE WAS NO WAY OF KNOWING, AND I NEED TO DRILL DOWN ON THOSE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHY AND WHY NOT.
OKAY, BRIANNA, THANK YOU, REID.
I, I APPRECIATED THE, THE WALKTHROUGH TODAY.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT, THAT LISA MENTIONED THIS, AND SO AS I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE SA RESPONSES, UM, AND, AND I THINK THEY DID DO A, A FAIR JOB, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF LITERALLY GOING BACK AND FORTH.
THERE'S DOCUMENTS AND DOCUMENTS, UM, WORTH OF INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PIECE TOGETHER LIKE A PUZZLE.
LET'S, LET'S DO, UH, I KNOW WE, WE KIND OF IN THIS PROCESS HANDLED THE SAWS, UH, STUFF, BUT SINCE IT'S ON THE AGENDA, UH, LET'S JUST KIND OF BACK UP AND MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLETELY GIVING THAT SOME ATTENTION.
AND I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I KNOW ADRIAN HAS MADE HER COMMENTS.
LISA, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON SA INFORMATION FOR THE, FOR THAT PART OF THE GROUP? NO, ACTUALLY I HAD TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT AND I'M, I'M PRETTY SATISFIED WITH WHAT I'M SEEING FROM THERE.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE,
THEY WERE VERY COMPLETE AND THOROUGH.
THERE WAS A PART THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK THAT WE WILL NEED TO FOCUS ON.
AND IT WAS ON THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN, UM, C P S AND SAS, UM, THAT I'VE KIND OF NOTICED AS A TREND.
AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS, THEY WERE COMMUNICATING AT A CERTAIN LEVEL AND NOT AT ANOTHER LEVEL.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT WHO HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY, THE TRICKLE DOWN OF INFORMATION, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME FOLKS WERE COMMUNICATING AT SOME LEVEL, BUT THEN THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ACTUALLY DOING THE JOB, RIGHT? MAYBE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET TO.
SO, UM, I DO THINK THAT THAT SAS'S RESPONSES, BY THE WAY, UM, I, I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH A WHOLE LOT OF THEM.
THEY HAVE LIKE A, WHO, I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT TOGETHER THE P P D F, THE 94 PAGER, BUT IT WAS GREAT.
AND SO THEY HAD THE, UM, THE AREAS OF THE CITY WITH THE LOWER WATER PRESSURE, ET CETERA, AND I APPRECIATED IT.
I THINK THEY WERE VERY HONEST AND, AND FORTHRIGHT IN THEIR ANSWERS EVEN UPFRONT.
I KNOW I HAD BEEN SPECIFICALLY ASKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS FROM THE RISK MITIGATION PLAN.
AND SO THEY PLAN TO ADDRESS IT SO THEY EVEN HAVE AN ACTION PLAN.
SO EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T INVESTED YET IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GENERATORS THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS DETAILED, THERE'S A PLAN.
AND SO THEY COMMIT TO, UH, ADDRESSING IT.
THEY REFERENCED THE 2011 WINTER FREEZE, UM, OR THE FREEZE IN, IN EL PASO AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I THINK THAT SAS'S, UH, ANSWERS WERE, UM, UH, WERE PRETTY THOROUGH.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE LEFT UNANSWERED.
THE ONE THING THAT I THINK THAT C P S DID VERY WELL THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IN SAWS, AND MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT.
C P S HAD THIS BEAUTIFUL, UM, MATRIX OF FACEBOOK, TWITTER, EVERYTHING THAT THEY POSTED.
I DIDN'T SEE IT UNLESS I MISSED IT ON A LINK SOMEWHERE FOR SAWS.
AND SO, UM, I, I THINK THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE THE EXAMPLE OF THE C P S AND MAYBE USE THAT FOR SAWS AND FOR THE CITY COMMUNICATION.
'CAUSE IT WAS ALL OUTLINED BEAUTIFULLY BY DATE, TIME, AND MESSAGE.
UH, I GOT A COUPLE JUST SO, UH, WE CAN, FIRST OF ALL, UM, FOLLOWING UP ON, UH, ADRIANA'S, UM, COMMENTS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRAIL OF EMAILS, TEXTS, UM, IT APPEARS TO ME FROM LOOKING AT THOSE, THAT WHAT COMMUNICATION THERE WAS, IT TENDED TO BE AFTER THE FACT AND IT TENDED TO, UH, ONLY INFORMED, BUT NOT COORDINATE
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WITH THE E O C.UH, TO ME IT WAS, IT WAS ALONG PAGES, BUT YOU CONTINUED TO SEE THAT THEME, UH, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, STEVE WAS WORKING WITH C P S AFTER THE FIRST EVENT, AND IT WAS OBVIOUSLY A TWO-WAY DEAL.
I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE WATER, YOU CAN'T RUN THE TURBINES.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE TURBINES, YOU CAN'T RUN THE WATER.
SO I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN THERE THAT THEY NEED TO SYN UP IS IMPORTANT, BUT THEY ALSO NEED TO LINK UP WITH THE E O C, AND I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THERE.
THE OTHER THING IS, UM, IT WAS ANSWERED A BIT, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER IT WAS CLAYTON, YOU OR MANNY THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL LEVELS OF BACKUP POWER.
OKAY? UM, YOU CAN HAVE FULL BACKUP POWER WITH BIG GENERATORS TO RUN THE LARGE PUMPS, BUT IF IN FACT, WHAT WE IMMEDIATELY, OR INITIALLY, AND I UNDERSTAND IF THEY DON'T HAVE POWER, THEY CAN'T RUN THE PUMPS.
BUT I, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEONE TO GET INTO THIS, IF THEY HAD PUMP STATION RECEIVING STATIONS, TANK FARMS THAT ACTUALLY HAD FREEZE UP EVENTS ON THE SMALL DIAMETER AND THE INSTRUMENTATION BEFORE THEY LOST POWER FROM, FOR THE BIG PUMPS, THAT FROM A PLANT STANDPOINT, YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR INSTRUMENTATION AND YOUR SMALL DIAMETER PIPES WITH HEAT TRACING.
UH, AND, AND THAT CAN COME OFF OF, UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME OFF OF GENERATORS.
IT COULD POTENTIALLY COME OFF OF BATTERIES, UH, FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THEY NEED THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU CAN TURN YOUR, YOU CAN TURN YOUR SYSTEM ON, GET IT DEFROSTED, TURN IT OFF IF YOU'VE GOT ANY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ACTUALLY RUN 'EM WITH, WITH SOLAR IF YOU WANTED TO.
AND, AND IF, BECAUSE DURING THAT EVENT, WE DID HAVE A VERY BRIGHT DAY.
I MEAN, YEAH, YOU GOTTA GET SNOW AND STUFF OFF THE, OFF THE, OFF THE PANELS, BUT THERE IS SOME WAYS OF LOOKING AT THAT, AND I WOULD LIKE THAT TO, TO, TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN Y'ALL ARE DOING THROUGH THIS WITH THEM.
ALSO, I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANSWERS TO THE COMMENTS, TO THE QUESTIONS, UH, THEY REFERENCED THE BLACK AND VEATCH STUDY, UH, ON MANY TIMES.
AND, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO REQUEST THAT STUDY, UH, AND ALLOW THAT STUDY TO BE POSTED.
UM, SO I, THAT'S THE, SO I, THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE.
ARE WE FINISHED WITH SAUCE? OKAY.
SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE E O C.
UH, ED WANTED ME TO EX EXPRESS HIS, UH, HIS, UM, THE FACT THAT HE, HE'S SORRY HE CAN'T BE HERE TODAY.
HE HAD A, AN ENGAGEMENT, UH, SCHEDULED WAY BEFORE THIS THING EVER STARTED TO HAPPEN, AND IT WAS AN OUT OF TOWN EVENT THAT HE JUST COULD NOT CANCEL, AND IT WAS NOT A PLACE WHERE HE COULD BE ONLINE, BUT WE ARE, UH, THE GROUP IS ALL, UH, GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP HIM IN FARM ON THIS FROM HIS, HIS SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHO I WANTED, WHO WANTS TO TAKE THIS FIRST FROM THE E O C STANDPOINT AND KIND OF GIVE US A BRIEFING ON THAT.
I, I'M, I'M, IT'S A TOSS UP SOMEBODY.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE NOT YET GOTTEN THE RESPONSES, SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE IN A PLACE WHERE WE'RE KIND OF IN A HOLDING PATTERN AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UM, ALTHOUGH WE'VE GONE THROUGH COLLECTIVELY THE QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THIS GROUP IS A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, ONCE WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SEE SOME RESPONSES, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A REPORT.
AND, UH, BEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, KIND OF GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHERE YOU SEE THAT YOU'VE BEEN TALKING TO ERIC AND THE OTHER PEOPLE, UH, MARIA ON THAT.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THAT UPDATE.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THE RESPONSES TO YOU ALL BY TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK.
UM, AS THOSE, UH, AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, THOSE, UH, RESPONSES WERE IN DRAFT FORM, UM, THOSE WERE THEN FORWARDED TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE FOR REVIEW.
UM, AS WE WERE REVIEWING THOSE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE CLARIFIED, SOME GAPS THAT NEEDED TO BE, UH, FILLED IN.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, I THINK WE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY THAT, UM, D O C HAS BEEN WORKING ON AN AFTER ACTION REPORT, THAT AFTER ACTION REPORT, UM, GETS INTO MANY OF THE AREAS THAT YOU ALL HAVE POSED AS QUESTIONS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT DOCUMENT FINALIZED SO THAT YOU'LL GET THE RESPONSES, UH, TO THE QUESTIONS, BUT ALSO THAT AFTER ACTION REPORT, WHICH WILL NOT ONLY HELP RESPOND TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, BUT IT'LL, IT WILL ACTUALLY EXPAND ON IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THAT'S THE GOAL, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, THEY'RE FOCUSED
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ON IT, AND WE PLAN TO RELEASE THAT BY TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK.THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR THE DILIGENCE ON THAT, AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE DIGGING IN.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME TO, TO ME WAS, UH, DO WE NEED TO MEET BEFORE NEXT FRIDAY ON THOSE QUESTIONS? AND UNLESS THE COMMITTEE BELIEVES, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO READ 'EM, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED, UH, A SPECIAL MEETING BESIDES THIS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IF WE LOOK AT THE, THE PROCESS, UH, AND IT'S GOOD BECAUSE THEN THAT GIVES ED A CHANCE TO, TO BE BACK HERE.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE, UH, NEXT WEEK WILL BE PRETTY MUCH THE E O C PLUS SOME OF WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT AT PROMULGATING OUTTA YOUR WORK.
ERIC ALSO DID WANT ME TO OFFER TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT AS WE GIVE YOU THE RESPONSES ON TUESDAY, UH, ERIC AND TEAM WOULD CERTAINLY BE AVAILABLE TO, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH Y'ALL.
ONCE Y'ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE QUESTIONS, UH, AND DISCUSS THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I THINK THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US, PROBABLY COMING OUT OF FRIDAY'S MEETING FOR THE FOLLOWING WEEK.
IF WE COULD COORDINATE SOMETHING, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US, BECAUSE THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S QUESTIONS WOULD THEN TAKE IN ANYTHING THAT COMES FROM THAT FRIDAY DISCUSSION.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THIS IS, UM, IN, IN MY MIND, UH, AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE, THIS ONE, AND IT'S ONLY ONE OPINION, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO HELP THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOCUSING ON THE E O C AND, UH, WHERE THAT GOES FORWARD.
TO THAT POINT, UH, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T, UH, REQUIRED PEOPLE TO COME, BUT SINCE THIS IS A PRETTY COMPLICATED PIECE, UH, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD THE SUBCOMMITTEE WANT SOMEBODY HERE FROM THE CITY, UH, DURING NEXT WEEK'S MEETING, OR IS THAT PREMATURE? I'M GONNA GLEAN THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE.
SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN A SINGLE THING YET.
IT, IT WAS OFFERED, AND I, I APPRECIATE IT OFFERED AND HAD TO PUT IT OUT THERE, BUT OKAY.
WE'LL STAY WITH THE SAME PROGRAM.
ANYTHING ELSE? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WA WAS THAT OFFERED TO US BY C P SS OR SAS IF WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? YEAH, NO, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL WITH THE CIRCUITS SPECIFICALLY.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY COULD, COULD COME AND, AND HELP YEAH.
WITH SOME OF THAT UNDERSTANDING, BUT I, I WAS JUST ASKING, I MEAN, IF THIS IS
WELL, THE CIRCUIT INFORMATION IS, IS, WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON HOLIDAY TODAY WITH THE, WITH THE BATTLE FLOWERS HOLIDAY.
SO, UH, I, I THINK, UH, PAUL IS WORKING VERY HARD TO TRY TO FIND A WAY FOR US TO REPRESENT, UH, EQUITY AND, AND DISTRIBUTE EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF NOT ONLY THE INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS, BUT EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF THE INTERRUPTIONS OF THE INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, I HAVE PROPOSED, UH, TO HIM, UH, THAT WE LOOK AT, UM, UM, THAT WE LOOK AT CENSUS TRACKS, UH, AND, AND INVOLVEMENT OF CENSUS TRACKS, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE'VE GOT TO, I'VE GOTTA NAIL DOWN THE SOCIAL ECONOMIC DEMOGRAPHICS, AND IT'S JUST EASIER TO DO IT NOW.
IT WON'T BE 20, UH, 2010 DEMOGRAPHICS SAYS NOT AL, BUT IT'S 2020 AND IT HADN'T CHANGED THAT MUCH.
SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL STAY ON THAT.
I GUESS THE LAST, UH, ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS, WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT, UH, THAT WE WANT THE GROUP TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOW SUBMITTING BACK, UH, TO C P S, AND I'M NOT SURE, CAN WE PUT THOSE UP, UH, OR IS THAT A STRETCH? OKAY.
UM, I HAVE THEM, IF I CAN FIND THEM, CHAIR, JUST GIVE US A MINUTE.
I THINK WE CAN PULL 'EM UP HERE REAL QUICK.
SO LET'S TAKE, LET'S TAKE, UH, A COUPLE MINUTES BREAK HERE IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET COFFEE, AND, AND THEN WE'LL GET THOSE UP AND THEN WE'LL GET OUTTA HERE.
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WE'RE BACK WITH THE ANSWERS.AND, UH, LET'S GET 'EM ON THE SCREEN.
WHICH ARE NOW OUR FIS, WHICH ARE REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION.
FOR FOLKS THAT, UH, CANNOT SEE THE SCREEN, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND START THESE.
UM, UH, THIS IS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT I THINK IS VERY APPROPRIATE AND IT ANSWERS SOME VERY GOOD QUESTIONS FROM ANA.
IT SAYS, PLEASE INCLUDE IN THE PRIMER, PRIMER A DESCRIPTION OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN FROM FUEL SOURCE.
UH, AND IT NAMES THE FUEL SOURCE TO POWER GENERATION FOR ALL FUEL SOURCES TYPES EXPECTED TO BE, UH, IN USE DURING THE WINTER STORM.
SO THIS IS GOING BACK TO OUR EXPECTATIONS OF HOW THE, UH, PLANTS WOULD OPERATE.
THE NEXT ONE IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, LONG, BUT I'LL READ IT, UH, BECAUSE I'VE TRIED TO GET IT VERY SPECIFIC SO THAT I CAN COMMUNICATE.
SINCE C P S E DOES NOT MAINTAIN ORGANIZATION CHARTS TO THE MANAGER LEVEL, RF TWO IS MODIFIED WITH RF, UH, TWO A INSTEAD OF A TRADITIONAL ORGANIZATION CHART BY JOB TITLE AND IDENTIFIED INDIVIDUAL.
THE MODIFIED REQUEST IS A CHART OF THE FUNCTIONS IN C P S E TO THE MANAGER LEVEL AND THE NUMBER OF EXEMPT PERSONNEL IN A DESIGNATED FUNCTION.
A RESPONSIVE CHART WILL NOT REQUIRE IDENTIFICATION OF INDIVIDUALS AND POSITIONS, BUT NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS IN A FUNCTION.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF AN ACCOUNT'S PAYABLE DIVISION OF THE ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT HAS THREE MANAGERS, THEN ONE BOX WILL BE DESIGNATED ACCOUNTS PAYABLE AND THE NUMBER THREE IN THE BOX, WE ARE NOT REQUESTING THE NUMBER OF TOTAL, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS IN A FUNCTION, JUST THE NUMBER OF EXEMPT PERSONNEL IN A FUNCTION THAT HOPEFULLY IS CLEAR.
UH, R F I NINE A IS, UH, ALSO LONG AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, IT HAS TO BE, BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO BE SPECIFIC IN OUR COMMUNICATIONS.
UH, AND, AND I, AND I'VE WORKED ON THIS ONE SOME, AND, AND FORTUNATELY SHE'S CORRECTED SOME OF MY MISSPELLING.
UH, C P S E HAS SUPPLIED A LIST OF INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS DESIGNATED BY SEQUENCE NUMBER.
THE INFORMATION SUPPLIED IS NOT RESPONSIVE.
THE COMMITTEE IS ATTEMPTING TO DETERMINE THE EQUITY OF THE DISRUPTION CAUSED BY FORCE LOAD SHEDDING AND MECHANICAL FAILURES TO IDENTIFY SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC SECTORS OF THIS, OF THE, UH, AND, UH, TO, TO SOMETHING'S NOT THERE.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT.
NOW, THE REASON WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT FORCED LOAD SHEDDING AND MECHANICAL FAILURES IS THE QUESTION CAME UP.
DO WE, DO WE SEGREGATE THOSE? AND
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IN, IN MY MIND, WE DON'T.UH, ONE WAS A WAS AN ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN RIGHT, WRONG, GOOD, BAD, WHATEVER THE OTHER ONE WAS AN EVENT THAT HAPPENED, BUT STILL IT WAS AN OUTAGE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT OUTAGE, UH, BY SOCIAL ECONOMIC, UH, SECTOR.
THEREFORE, THE INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH A SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHIC AREA, WHICH CAN BE SEGMENTED BY SOCIAL ECONOMIC DATA.
IT IS REQUESTED THAT THE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED, UH, FILE OF INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS BY SEQUENCE NUMBER BE AUGMENTED, UH, WITH A CROSS-REFERENCED TABLE IDENTIFYING THE ASSISTANCE TRACKS IN EACH, UH, SEQUENTIALLY NUMBERED CIRCUIT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SUPPLY US THE NEW, THE THING BEFORE, JUST GIVE US A CROSS-REFERENCE TABLE.
THE COMMITTEE RECOGNIZES THAT AN INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUIT MIGHT SERVE MORE THAN ONE CENSUS TRACK, SINCE THE OBJECTIVE IS TO DEMONSTRATE RELATIVE AND NOT ABSOLUTE DISRUPTION.
MAGNITUDE, NOT ARDAL, NOT OFF ON, THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN US IS OFF ON.
AND SOCIAL ECONOMIC CHARACTERISTICS TEND TO CLUSTER IN A WIDER GEOGRAPHIC AREA THAN A CENSUS TRACK.
ASSIGNING INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS TO MULTIPLE TRACKS WILL NOT DISTORT THE RESULTS.
IT'S ARGUABLE, BUT THAT'S THE BEST I CAN DO.
PLEASE PROVIDE THE NATIONAL PRE PROVIDE A TABLE THAT SHOWS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CIRCUITS IN EACH OF THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES.
WE REALLY, UH, ASKED FOR THE INTERRUPTIBLE AND WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THE OTHERS.
AND THAT'S A GOOD FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THIS? I'LL START WITH MANNY, WE'LL GO AROUND.
WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE TO LISA AND COME BACK TO MANNY.
I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS PLAY.
SO I, I, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE'RE ADJOURNING UNLESS I HEAR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SIR, CAN I, CAN I MENTION ONE THING ON THE QUESTION? JUST I KNOW THAT, I THINK WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR A WHILE AND, AND, AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR THE PUBLIC, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUIT OR FIRM LOAD SHE CIRCUIT, THOSE ARE THE SAME THING.
ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS REFERENCED INTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUITS.
ONE OF 'EM REFERENCED FIRM LOAD.
FIRM LOAD, I THINK IS MORE THE TERM THAT C P S USES, BUT THEY'RE THE SAME THING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LAST QUESTION OR THAT LAST, UH, 9.1, WHATEVER WE USE SHOULD ALL BE IN OUR GLOSSARY.
AND, AND WE'LL GET ANOTHER QUESTION OUT ON THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IN THE GLOSSARY.
I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND READ IT, BUT I THOUGHT THEY DID THAT.
LET US CHECK THAT AND IF WE NEED THAT.
BUT THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS YOU'VE GOT, UH, ARE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING FIRM LOAD ARE THE SAME AS UNINTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUITS OR, UH, FIRM LOAD? UH, A FIRM LOAD SHED.
IS THE SAME AS AN INTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUIT.
UM, WE'LL, WE WILL CHECK THE, THE, WE'LL CHECK THE, THE, THE PRIMER AND WE'LL CHECK THE, UM, QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL GET THOSE AUGMENTED IF WE NEED TO.
BUT IN MY MIND, WE'VE GOT THE, UH, CIRCUITS THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP ON, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THOSE, WHATEVER YOU WANNA TITLE 'EM TO ME, THEY'RE UNINTERRUPTIBLE ARE, THEY'RE CONSTANT, ARE THEY'RE CRITICAL.
THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT NAMES THAT PEOPLE USE THEM.
WE'VE GOT THE FREQUENCIES, THE CIRCUITS THAT ARE UNDER FREQUENCY, LOW FREQUENCY, UM, THOSE ARE MANAGED, UM, SUPPOSEDLY NOT MANAGEABLE BY C P S, ALTHOUGH I DID LEARN IN THE ANSWER TO ONE OF THEIR QUESTIONS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THOSE CIRCUITS, UH, IN THEIR ROTATION.
UM, I ASSUME THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE ON MANUAL BASIS.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CIRCUITS THAT ARE INTER INTERRUPTIBLE AND, UH, KNOWING THOSE AND DESIGNATING THOSE, I THINK THAT COULD MAYBE COME IN THE SAME CROSS REFERENCE.
WE NEED, WE NEED ANOTHER DIFFERENCE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN WE ASKED THEM TO PROVIDE THE PRIMER, UH, IS THAT WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DIS OR WHEN WE ASSUMED WE WOULD GET A DESCRIPTION OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CIRCUITS? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAD THAT.
MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN, I CAN ADD, UH, UH, CHAIR THAT IN, UH, RESPONSE.
UH, NUMBER NINE, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE MAP, THEY PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION ON, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS, HOW THEY, UH, BREAK DOWN OR HOW THEY DESIGNATE CIRCUITS, UM, TO GAVE THE GEOGRAPHIC MAP, BUT ALSO PROVIDED A DESCRIPTION OF HOW THEY YEAH.
UH, THEIR BASIC DESIGNATIONS FOR
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CIRCUITS.AND THOSE INCLUDE FIRM LOAD, SHED UNDER FREQUENCY, LOAD SHED, AND CRITICAL LOAD ARE THE THREE CATEGORIES.
SO IT'S IN THAT IT'S NOT IN THE PRIMER.
WE'LL GET IT UP IN THE PRIMER SO THAT PEOPLE CAN FOLLOW THAT.
AND THEN LET'S JUST USE THOSE SAME TERMS FOR THE, I'LL DO MY BEST.
Y'ALL FIX ME IF I USE THE WRONG TERMS. OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? THANK YOU.
UM, I, I WANTED TO ASK IF C P S HAD THE SAME THING.
UM, I NOTICED THAT, UM, ON THE SAUCE RESPONSE ON PAGE 14 OF THE 96 PAGER, THERE'S, UM, MAP AND IT'S COMMUNICATION EFFORTS.
I ONLY SEE THE, THE ONE FOR TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 16TH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHERS, BUT YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD CATCH.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS JUST A REPRESENTATIVE TIME, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT CATCH.
SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU TALK TO 'EM ABOUT, UH, WHEN YOU TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THEIR OUTAGE MAPS, IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ALL THE DATES.
WELL, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT OF C P S IF, IF THEY HAVE SOME, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT PROBABLY WITH THEM BECAUSE OF THE ROLLING, BUT THIS WAS SO HELPFUL.
LIKE IT HELPED ME RIGHT AWAY FIGURE OUT, OH, THESE WERE THE AREAS THAT WERE AFFECTED.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON ON DATES.
UH, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE, THE SEQUENCE NUMBERED CIRCUITS THAT WERE OUT, THEY DID GIVE IT BY DAY.
UH, AND, UH, WE HAD PLANNED ON LOOKING AT IT BY EVENT, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT IT BY DAY.
UH, I THINK ONCE WE GET THE G I S MAPPING GOING, IT SHOULDN'T BE A BIG PROBLEM, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE A G I S MAPPING PROJECT, BECAUSE TO PUT IT IN TABULAR FARM SIMPLY IS NOT GOING TO WORK FOR FOLKS.
I, I JUST GOT A NOTE SAYING THAT, UH, SAS IS WILLING TO COME OVER HERE ALSO.
UH, TO HELP WITH THE PRESENTATION ALONG WITH THE BLACK AND VEATCH FOLKS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING THAT, THAT, UH, STUDY TOGETHER.
SO, UH, THAT'S ON TAP AND, AND WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, WORK THAT TO GET THEM HERE ALSO.
THAT, AND, AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
UH, AGAIN, I THINK THAT, UH, AS WE GET THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS AND WE GET DOWN TO IT, I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR FROM 'EM.
UH, WHEN I WAS ASKED EARLY ON, ARE WE GOING TO HOLD A HEARING AND ASK PEOPLE QUESTIONS, UH, MY ANSWER WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT.
BUT THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THIS IS INFORMATIVE, AND AS WE'VE EVOLVED, I THINK WE CAN SEE WHERE WE COULD GET SOME BENEFIT FROM THIS.
SO I, I, I DEFINITELY, UH, SEE THAT.
CAN WE, CAN WE ADJOURN NOW? SURE.
I, WE'RE WORKING ON THIS FOLKS.
SO I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING, JUST VERY QUICKLY FOR THE PUBLIC RESUMMARIZING THAT IN THE EVENT THEY WANNA PROVIDE, UH, PUBLIC INPUT, WE WANTED TO SHOW THOSE THREE OPTIONS.
SO ALEX, YOU WANNA PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN? YES.
AND, UH, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT GETS ON THE AGENDA SO I DON'T FORGET IT.
SO AGAIN, THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS TO PROVIDE, UH, INPUT.
YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO THE WEBSITE SAN ANTONIO.GOV.
YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, I THINK IT'S STILL REFERENCE SELECT COMMITTEE, BUT WE ARE GONNA CHANGE THAT AS WE MOVE TO THE NEW COMMITTEE, NEW WEB FORMAT.
UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SELECT COMMITTEE, THERE IS A LINK HERE THAT ALEX HAS HIGHLIGHTED SO THAT YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR QUESTION THERE.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE PULLING THOSE DOWN PERIODICALLY AND WE'LL PROVIDE THOSE TO THE COMMITTEE.
UH, THEN WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR YOU TO CALL IN AS WELL.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, UM, YOU CAN CALL 3 1 1, PROVIDE YOUR QUESTION THERE, YOUR COMMENT THERE.
UH, YOU CAN ALSO TEXT SA EMERGENCY TO 55, UH THOUSAND, UH, AND, AND PROVIDE INFORMATION THERE.
THERE'S ALSO AN EMAIL LINK ON THE WEBPAGE, UH, THAT IS THERE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO EMAIL DIRECTLY, ALEX HAS ACCESS TO THAT EMAIL BOX AND WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE QUESTIONS TO THE COMMITTEE.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO RESTATE THAT.
I'LL TRY TO DO THAT AT THE END OF EVERY MEETING JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF CONTINUE TO PROVIDE WAYS FOR, UH, THE COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THE COMMITTEE.
GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE ADJOURNED.