* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] OKAY. GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY ON THIS MONDAY MORNING. IT'S APRIL 26TH, 2001. IF WE COULD START WITH THE ROLE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER TINO HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. OKAY, I'M HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UM, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS THIS MORNING? NO. NO CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. SO WE [1. 21-3242 Approval of the minutes from the March 29, 2021 Planning and Land Development Committee Meeting.] WILL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 29TH, 2021 MEETING. CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE. WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 2ND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE MINUTES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOTION CARRIES. AND WE WILL MEET, MOVE ON TO TWO BRIEFINGS TODAY. [2. 21-3214 Briefing on the City’s Strategic Housing Implementation Plan (SHIP) progress including the definition of affordability and next steps [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, FAICP, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services]] THE FIRST ONE IS A BRIEFING ON THE CITY'S STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN CALLED THE SHIP. AND THAT IS EITHER GONNA BE DONE BY LORI OR VEL. UH, THAT'LL BE DONE BY ME. COUNCILWOMAN, OH, IAN. OKAY. THANKS IAN. THEN THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN. UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. IAN BETA, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT. UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, PRIMARILY CONCERNING THE, THE RECENT RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR HOUSING COMMISSION ON THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY, UH, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW WITH OUR IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES. ROBERT, COULD YOU PULL UP THE PRESENTATION? THANK YOU. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO, UH, THIS IS A FAMILIAR SLIDE THAT WE PRESENTED A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND WHERE WE ARE ON OUR PROGRESS, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HOUSING COMMISSION ON THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY. UH, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT THAT TO YOU FOR YOUR ALL'S FEEDBACK. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT WILL BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL, BUT WE'RE GETTING MUCH CLOSER TO DEFINING THAT DEFINITION SO THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR RECALIBRATED TARGET GOALS. UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW WITH OUR CONSULTANT ECONOMIC AND PLANNING SYSTEMS ON OUR FUNDING PLAN. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THOSE GOALS AND WE'LL BE TRANSLATING THOSE INTO A MONETARY VALUE TO LET US KNOW WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR THIS PLAN. AND THEN LASTLY, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN STRATEGIES THAT WILL COMPLEMENT THOSE TARGET GOALS AND LET US KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A COMMUNITY TO START ADDRESSING ISSUES LIKE DISPLACEMENT, INCREASED INVESTMENT IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HOUSING COMMISSION, AND WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SHOWED YOU A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THIS CHART, UM, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SAW, UM, FOR RENTAL DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION. THE HOUSING COMMISSION, UH, DIVIDED THE CATEGORIES INTO MORE THAN JUST WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO THIS COMMITTEE. UM, FOR ZERO TO 15, THEY CALL BACK CRITICALLY AFFORDABLE FOR 16 TO 30%. THEY CALL THAT DEEPLY AFFORDABLE FOR 30 TO 50% FAIRLY AFFORDABLE, AND 50 TO 60 AFFORDABLE. SO WHILE THE, UH, WHILE THERE'S MORE CATEGORIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, THEY WERE CONSISTENT WITH 60% AND BELOW AS DEFINED BY HUD AS AFFORDABLE. AND THEN ABOVE THAT, THEY, THEY RECOMMENDED THE TERMS MODERATE RATE, MEDIAN RATE, AND MARKET RATE UP TO 120% FOR HOME OWNERSHIP. THEY DID STAY WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY SAW FOR KEEPING HOME OWNERSHIP AFFORDABLE AT UP TO 120% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. BUT THEY DID, HOWEVER, CREATE A NEW CATEGORY FOR DEEPLY AFFORDABLE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING AT 60% OR BELOW OF THE AREA. MEDIAN OUTCOME. THE HOUSING COMMISSION WILL BE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY. AND IN ADDITION TO THIS CHART, THEY'RE GONNA BE DRAFTING, UH, A LETTER WITH SOME MORE CONTEXT, UM, FOR THIS COMMITTEE AND FOR OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. THAT WILL KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND OF WHY THEY CHOSE THESE TERMS AND SOME VALUES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR POLICYMAKERS TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD. NEXT SLIDE. UH, JOINING THIS, UH, THIS CHART, WHICH I THINK IS VERY HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR PRACTITIONERS, UH, AND POLICYMAKERS LIKE YOURSELVES WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH AREA MEDIAN INCOME, THEY ALSO DID RECOMMEND AN INFOGRAPHIC TO BE INCLUDED ALONG WITH THE, WITH THE CHART. AND THIS IS REALLY TO EXPLAIN WHAT THESE A M I LEVELS MEAN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE CREATED, UM, AND SECTIONED OFF BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, INCOME LIMITS, SO THE INDIVIDUALS UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE AREA MEDIA INCOME INCOME LIMITS ARE, [00:05:01] AND THEN SOME, UM, SOME EXAMPLES OF PROFESSIONS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT FALL WITHIN THOSE AREA MEDIA INCOME CATEGORIES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR ZERO TO 15%, WE, UH, LIKELY WILL INCLUDE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, THOSE OVER THE AGE OF, OF 65 AND LIVING ON A FIXED INCOME, 16 TO 30%, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, WAITERS, WAITRESSES, BARTENDERS, AND CHILDCARE WORKERS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. WE ALSO INCLUDED WHAT PERCENTAGE OF HOUSEHOLDS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS. SO UP TO 70% OF ALL HOUSEHOLDS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARE INCLUDED IN THE A M I RANGES UP TO 120%. AND FOR EACH CATEGORY, YOU CAN SEE IN THERE IN THE MIDDLE FOR ZERO TO 15%, THAT INCLUDES 40,971 HOUSEHOLDS. SO WE DID THAT FOR EVERY CATEGORY SO THAT WE COULD GET AN IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN EACH OF THOSE, UH, EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES. NEXT SLIDE. SOME OTHER FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UH, OUR COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, UH, IS THAT WHAT'S WORKED WITH THEM TO COMMUNICATE WHAT INCOME LEVELS ARE, IS NOT NECESSARILY, UH, THE OVERALL WAGES, BUT THE HOURLY WAGES. SO WE WENT AHEAD AND WE INCLUDED THAT AS WELL IN THIS GRAPHIC. SO FOR ZERO TO 15%, YOU CAN SEE ROUGHLY ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD MAKE AN HOUR. UH, THEY, THEY'VE FOUND THAT THIS IS A LOT EASIER FOR MANY PEOPLE TO RELATE TO. SO WE, WE WENT AHEAD AND WE INCLUDED THIS. UM, AND BE CURIOUS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK ON, ON, WHICH IS, UH, PREFERABLE OR BOTH SHOULD BE INCLUDED. NEXT SLIDE. SO WITH THAT, UM, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO BRING THIS TO YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. WE'LL BE, UH, UPDATING OUR RECALIBRATED HOUSING BILLS THAT WE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU PREVIOUSLY. UM, AND REALLY WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR RECALIBRATION EFFORT, UH, WE LOOKED AT OUR MOST VULNERABLE HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN SAN ANTONIO. SO WE NOT ONLY LOOKED AT COST BURDEN, BUT WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SUPPLY VERSUS DEMAND OF THOSE A M I RANGES. SO THERE MAY BE, UH, LOTS OF COST BURDEN PEOPLE AT, UH, 60 TO 80% A M I, BUT WE LOOKED AT THE AVAILABILITY OF UNITS VERSUS THE DEMAND FOR THOSE UNITS. SO, UM, THAT MISMATCH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SOLVE WITH OUR RECALIBRATED HOUSING GOALS. NEXT SLIDE. SO AS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS, WHAT WILL, WHAT WE'LL LOOK LIKE AFTER WE RECEIVE THIS, UH, COMMITTEE'S FEEDBACK AND WE FINALIZE THESE RECALIBRATED HOUSING GOALS. ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE OUR ORIGINAL HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK TARGETS. THESE WERE INCLUDED IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK BOOK AS ABOUT 18,681 UNITS, UH, BROKEN DOWN BY A M I OUR RECALIBRATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, NEARLY 48,000, AND THAT'S ABOUT HALF OF THE 96,000 THAT WE ESTIMATE. UH, THROUGH OUR RECALIBRATION EFFORT, WE'LL HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING TARGET, WHICH AGAIN, USING THOSE DEFINITIONS WOULD BE ZERO TO 60% A M I. AND THEN WE'D HAVE A TARGET FOR THOSE MEDIAN AND MARKET RATE HOUSING UNITS BETWEEN 60 AND A HUNDRED PERCENT A M I. UM, WE WILL BE GOING UP TO 120% A M I FOR HOME OWNERSHIP. SO THAT'S STILL A CHANGE THAT WE'RE GONNA REFLECT WITH THESE NUMBERS WHEN WE, WHEN WE BRING BACK TO YOU. NEXT SLIDE. ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE ALSO WORKING THROUGH OUR, UH, IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES. SO AS WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO YOU ALL, WE HAVE FOUR STAKEHOLDER FORUMS, OUR REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT STAKEHOLDER FORUM, OUR RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER FORUM, OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDER STAKEHOLDER FORUM, AND OUR HOUSING POLICY STAKEHOLDER FORUM. WE HAVE CHAIRS, CO-CHAIRS FOR EACH GROUP FOR REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE PEDRO ESE WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST IN VICTORIA GARCIA WITH, UH, OUR CENTER, CITY AND DEVELOPMENT OFFICE FOR RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY. WE HAVE JUAN VALDEZ WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND JESSICA GUERRERO, WHO IS OUR HOUSING COMMISSION CHAIR FOR OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDERS. WE HAVE KRISTIN DAVILA WITH MERCED HOUSING AND TIM ALCOTT FROM SAHA. AND FOR HOUSING POLICY, WE HAVE JIM BAILEY WITH ALAMO ARCHITECTS, AND ALSO WITH ONE OF OUR HOUSING POLICY, UH, TASK FORCE MEMBERS, AND CHRISTINE BINYA FROM . SO THE MEMBERS ARE ALSO BELOW NEXT SLIDE. SO RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS WE'VE TAKEN, UH, A LOT OF THE STRATEGIES FROM A LOT OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT, THAT THIS COUNCIL IS PROBABLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH. SO OUR OPPORTUNITY AT RISK FROM O H P, HOMELESSNESS STRATEGIC PLAN, HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK FOR EVERYONE HOME. AND RIGHT NOW, THESE GROUPS ARE GOING THROUGH, UM, EACH OF THESE POLICIES AND THEY'RE DRAFTING, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT THOSE POLICIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS. SO THEY'RE IN THE FIRST STEPS OF THIS, UM, NEXT SLIDE. AFTER THIS, THEY'RE GONNA CIRCULATE THEIR DRAFTS TO THE OTHER POLICY STAKEHOLDER FORUMS FOR FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA BRING THOSE TO THE FULL SHIP, THE HOUSING COMMISSION, AND THIS COMMITTEE TO REVIEW. AND THOSE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES WILL INCLUDE, INCLUDE INFORMATION, UM, LIKE WHAT THIS POLICY IS LOOKING TO ADDRESS, WHO ARE THE PARTNERS THAT NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS, UH, WHAT ARE THE OUTCOMES, UH, AND THEN WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES. SO IS THIS A YEAR, ONE STRATEGY, YEAR TWO, YEAR THREE, YEAR FOUR. AND THROUGH THIS, IN COORDINATION WITH ALL OF OUR HOUSING PARTNERS WILL BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHICH STRATEGIES THAT WE AS A CITY, AS A SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST AND SAHA WE'RE COLLABORATIVELY ON, COLLABORATIVELY ON, UH, TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE, UH, SYSTEMIC HOUSING ISSUES. AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE PLAN TO COME BACK TO [00:10:01] THIS COMMITTEE AND THEN GO TO COUNCIL IN JUNE. NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY UPDATE ON THIS ITEM. UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, THANK YOU, UH, IAN, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK RIGHT ON, ON SOME OF THESE, UM, UH, SO THAT YOU ALL, SO WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE COUNCIL, BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ACTION. NO, THIS IS JUST FEEDBACK. OKAY. UM, SO I GUESS LEMME JUST, SO REGARDING THESE TWO SLIDES, ONE THAT SHOWS INCOME, UM, BY THE HOUR AND ONE THAT SHOWS ANNUALLY, UM, I GUESS IT'S JUST, IT'S THE SAME. I MEAN, THEY'RE THE SAME THING, RIGHT? JUST EXPRESSED IN A DIFFERENT WAY? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, AND THERE WAS, UM, I GUESS WHO, WHOSE RECOMMENDATION WAS IT TO PRESENT IT IN THIS WAY? WHAT WAS THAT COMMUNITY? OR WAS STAFF OR THE DEVELOPER? YEAH, SO STAFF ORIGINALLY, UM, CREATED THE GRAPHIC FOR HOUSING COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK WHEN WE PRESENTED THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY. AND WE DID FEEL LIKE THE CHART, WHILE VERY HELPFUL, AGAIN, FOR PRACTITIONERS AND POLICY MAKERS, UH, TO THE AVERAGE PERSON, THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS. UH, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING UNITS, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE HOUSING UNITS. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO, TO UH, EMPHASIZE, TO EMPHASIZE THAT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THIS WAS STAFF'S ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION. UH, AND THEN WE GOT THEIR HOUSING COMMISSION'S FEEDBACK. SO WE MADE SOME MINOR TWEAKS TO IT. AND THEN WE GOT OUR TOTOS, OUR COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION'S FEEDBACK AS WELL. UM, OKAY. AND, AND SO, UM, IAN, I, I KNOW THAT ONE THING THAT I FOUND ALWAYS VERY HELPFUL, I MEAN, I WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT EXPLAINED LIKE WHAT WAS PUBLIC HOUSING, WHAT WAS TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, WHAT WAS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, AND THEN WHAT WAS AFFORDABILITY, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING MARKET RATE AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND I DUNNO, WAS THAT DISCUSSED AT ALL? LIKE WHY NOT, UH, SEPARATE THOSE CATEGORIES? SO IN THE ORIGINAL, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL CHART THAT WE HAD, UM, WHERE WE HAD OUR HUD A M I INCOME LIMITS, WE DID HAVE, AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COUNCILWOMAN IS, UM, THE, THE DEFINITIONS FOR THOSE CATEGORIES AS DEFINED BY HUD. UM, WE DID, WE DID HAVE THAT AS REFERENCE. UM, BUT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOUSING COMMISSIONERS, ESPECIALLY AROUND, UM, UH, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, UM, AND WORDS LIKE WORKFORCE HOUSING, THEY JUST FOUND THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE TOO, UH, EXCLUSIVE OF A LOT OF OTHER SEGMENTS OF THE POPULATION. SO THEY MOVED MORE TOWARDS THESE DEFINITIONS. UM, BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD INCLUDE THOSE IN THE SAME CHART SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THEM BOTH, YOU CAN SEE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND I THINK WHAT ARE MORE, UH, COMMONLY USED TERMINOLOGIES, LIKE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, PUBLIC HOUSING, UM, IN THE SAME CHART, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WELL, I, I MEAN, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I I I, I GUESS MY SENSE IS THAT THEY WERE ALL, THEY'RE ALL VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, I MEAN, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE, YOU CAN GO AS LOW AS 30% A M I, RIGHT. WITHOUT BEING PUBLIC HOUSING. I MEAN, AM I WRONG OR IS THAT RIGHT? NO, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT. COUNCILWOMAN, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC HOUSING IS DEEPLY SUBSIDIZED AND A LOT OF TIMES INCLUDES HOUSING VOUCHERS. UM, SO MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS ALONGSIDE THIS IS INCLUDE DEFINITIONS ABOUT WHAT'S SUPPORTIVE AND WHAT, UH, PUBLIC HOUSING IS. I WILL SAY THAT, UM, ED A HOSA WHO IS ON THE, UH, HOUSING COMMISSION DID POINT OUT TO STAFF THAT HIS CLIENTELE IS, UH, MOSTLY BETWEEN THAT ZERO AND 15% A M I, UH, HE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO RECOMMENDED BREAKING OUT ZERO TO 30 BECAUSE HE FELT THAT SAHA PUBLIC HOUSING RESIDENTS MOSTLY FELL INTO THE ZERO TO 15% CATEGORY. SO HE WANTED TO STRATIFY THAT EVEN FURTHER. UM, BUT IS THAT THE SAME? I, WELL, I'M SORRY. I, I, I DON'T WANNA OVERLY COMPLICATE IT. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATING. UM, I, I, I GUESS IT JUST, I, I, WE, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS FOR THE FUTURE GENER UH, FUTURE PEOPLE, THIS IS HELPFUL. I KNOW FOR ME, IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO EVEN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL OF THOSE. AND NOW WE'RE CHANGING IT AGAIN. SO I'M SURE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT FEELS LIKE, UM, I JUST GOT CAUGHT UP AND WE'RE CHANGING IT AGAIN. BUT ALSO, ISN'T IT GONNA CHANGE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE [00:15:02] OF, UM, UH, CHANGING INCOME LEVELS? WELL, THE INCOME LEVELS FOR THE INDIVIDUALS WILL CHANGE, UM, BUT THE A M I RANGES WOULD STAY THE SAME. SO IT IS POSSIBLE. NO, UM, I, I'M SORRY, I, I MEANT IT, BUT LIKE THE HUD A M I LEVEL WILL CHANGE, UH, YES, BUT THESE AREN'T REFERRING NECESSARILY TO, THE EXAMPLES HAVE THE MONETARY INCOME LIMITS, WHICH WE WILL UPDATE, BUT THE CHART WOULD STAY THE SAME. 'CAUSE THEY'RE BASED OFF PERCENTAGES. OKAY. OKAY. UM, OKAY. WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS AS LONG AS EVERYBODY, UH, KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT I, I KNOW THAT WHAT WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY WAS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT PUBLIC HOUSING, BUT THEY WERE FINED WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING AND NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE ARE ALL VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, OR THEY, PERHAPS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE OKAY IF YOU SAID IT WAS A, A, A MARKET RATE PROJECT. UM, WELL, I, I, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I, I WON'T CONFUSE IT FURTHER 'CAUSE I THINK I'M EVEN CONFUSING MYSELF AS LONG AS, UM, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'LL SEE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. OH, OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER , GO AHEAD. UH, THANK YOU CHAIR AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS BRIEFING. IAN. UH, I, I SUPPORT THESE DEFINITIONS OF AFFORDABILITY AND IF ADOPTED THE CITY AND ALL OF ITS HOUSING PARTNERS AND ENTITIES WILL NEED TO, TO BE MORE DYNAMIC WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, BUILDING HOUSING, MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE LOWER A M I LEVELS HOUSING PROJECTS CONTAINING A MAJORITY OF UNITS IN THE ZERO TO 30% RANGE WILL NEED TO BECOME THE NORM. OR WE, WE VERY WELL COULD, UH, SEE ABOUT, UH, 200,000 FOLKS THAT ARE COST BURDEN, UH, BY, BY 2030. THAT'S 200,000 HOUSEHOLDS. UM, IF VOTERS APPROVE PROPOSITION A, WOULD A, WOULD THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY AT EACH A M I LEVEL APPLY TO A POTENTIAL HOUSING BOND IN 2022? I THINK SO COUNCILMAN THE IDEA BEHIND THE, UH, DEFINITIONS AND OUR TARGET GOALS IS TO RELATE THEM TO OUR FUNDING SOURCES AND STRATEGIES. SO CERTAINLY IF A HOUSING BOND IS INCLUDED, UH, AND DEPENDING ON THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT HOUSING BOND, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO TIE THOSE PROGRAMS TO THESE DEFINITIONS. AND WOULD THE HOUSING COMMISSION AND AND SHIP STEERING COMMITTEE HAVE A ROLE IN, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT BOND ISSUE? UH, THE HOUSING COMMISSION, DEFINITELY. UM, THE SHIP IS GONNA MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THE, THE ENTITY ITSELF IS ONLY CREATED TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT BODY WILL CEASE TO EXIST. UH, MOST OF THAT WILL TRANSITION OVER TO THE, TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE, UH, THAT OVERSEES HOUSING. BUT THEY COULD, THEY COULD GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE, TO THE BUYING COMMITTEES THAT ARE GONNA BE FORMED TOO, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY, YES. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL INCLUDE IN, IN THE SHIP. IT'S JUST THE COMMITTEE WILL END AFTER THE SHIP IS ADOPTED. OKAY. UM, DO FAMILIES EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND THOSE WITHIN, UH, THE CRITICALLY TO DEEPLY AFFORDABLE RANGE, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THE FORUMS? YES. COUNCILMAN, THEY DO. OUR RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER FORUM DO INCLUDE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCES, UM, AND THEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH THOSE CO-CHAIRS, UH, WHICH IS JUAN VALDEZ AND JESSICA GUERRERO. UM, THEY'LL MAKE SURE TO INCORPORATE THEIR FEEDBACK, NOT JUST THROUGH THE S**T, BUT ALSO THROUGH THE INITIATIVES THAT THEY HELP OVERSEE, LIKE FOR EVERYONE. AND HOW, HOW ARE WE ENSURING THAT THEIR VOICES ARE HEARD JUST AS MUCH AS DEVELOPERS' VOICES. I THINK THAT'S THE, THE INTENT OF CREATING DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER FORUMS SO THAT WE GIVE THEM A SPACE TO COMMENT, NOT JUST ON THE STRATEGIES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, BUT ALSO THE OTHER STRATEGIES THAT OTHER, UH, STAKEHOLDER FORMS ARE WORKING ON. SO ULTIMATELY THEIR COMMENTS, UH, WILL GO TO, TO THE SHIP, TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION, UH, INTO THIS COUNCIL COMMITTEE. OKAY. WAS THE HOUSING FIRST COMMUNITY COALITION INCLUDED UNDER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER GROUP? UH, THEY WERE INCLUDED. LET ME SEE WHERE THEY WERE. WE HAVE MARK WITTIG UNDER OUR HOUSING POLICY. UM, SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON EVERY STRATEGY, BUT MARK WITTIG, WHO'S WITH HOUSING FIRST, UM, IS WORKING PRIMARILY ON THE POLICY AREA, UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, POLICY ISSUES RELATED WITH THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT, THAT THAT'S BEING BUILT. AND I KNOW IT'S A FIRST OF ITS KIND IN SAN ANTONIO. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE CAN, UH, ADDRESS THAT FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE TO GET MORE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE. WELL, I, I WOULD ASK YOU INCLUDE 'EM IN THE HOUSING DEVELOPER GROUP. I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT, [00:20:01] IT, YOU KNOW, THE, IT, IT REALLY IS A, A MILESTONE FOR A CITY TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, AND MORE THAN JUST POLICY, IT'S, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTABILITY PLANNING DESIGN SO MUCH MORE THAT GOES INTO THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I FORESEE US REALLY LEANING INTO THOSE KIND OF PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE. AND I, I, I WOULD ASK OR, OR RECOMMEND THAT, THAT, THAT WE INCLUDE THAT GROUP. WILL DO. THANK YOU. ARE THE, ARE THE GOALS OF THE, UH, SHIP, ARE THE GOALS OF THE SHIP ALIGNED WITH OUR GOALS FROM OTHER PLANS, SUCH AS THE HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN? UM, YES. SO PART OF THE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE MEMBERS FROM OUR DEPARTMENT OF OF HUMAN SERVICES WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE SHIP. UH, WE'VE HAD BRIEFINGS ON THE HOMELESSNESS STRATEGIC PLAN AND REALLY WHERE THEY OVERLAP INTO THE HOUSING REALM. SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. UH, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, UH, IS AN AREA WHERE OUR HOMELESSNESS STRATEGIC PLAN AND OUR HOUSING PLAN ARE, ARE OVERLAPPING, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STRATEGIES ARE CARRIED FORWARD. WHO FROM D H SS? UH, WE HAVE PATRICK STACK, WHO IS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. OKAY. UH, WHAT ABOUT MARGERY? UM, SHE HAS PARTICIPATED, BUT SHE'S NOT OFFICIALLY A MEMBER. UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT SHE'S INCLUDED IN THE CONVERSATIONS, UH, SPECIFICALLY SURROUNDING THAT CONNECTION. UM, AND I CAN'T, UH, I THINK YOU ALREADY ANSWERED, I MAY, YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED THIS, BUT DOES STAFF HAVE A TIMELINE ON WHEN COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON THIS TO, UH, WILL, WILL, WILL VOTE ON THIS, AND IS IT IN AND TAKE IT BACK? DO WE HAVE AN, UH, A, A TIMELINE WHEN WE'LL BE VOTING TO ADOPT THE HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED IN DECEMBER? I DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE FOR THE HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN COUNCILMAN, BUT I WOULD GET IT FOR YOU. UM, OKAY. FOR THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WE'RE, WE ARE, UH, TARGETING JUNE, THE JUNE COUNCIL LEAVE. OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I WOULD ASK THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE REALLY CONNECT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THE HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN AND THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS IN THERE THAT I THINK NEED TO, UM, BE COORDINATED WITH, WITH A LOT OF YOUR WORK. AND I WOULD ASK THAT, THAT THOSE, UH, THOSE SOMEHOW GET, GET, UH, COALESCE TOGETHER. ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COORDINATED. OKAY. I, I'M JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING ALL THESE PLANS INTO ACTION, ESPECIALLY THE ONES RELATED TO HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS. UM, BUT AGAIN, I WANNA, I WANNA THANK, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE, THE, THE HOUSING COMMISSION AND ALL OUR COMMUNITY INDUSTRY STAKEHOLDERS AND, AND THANK YOU AND, UH, IAN AND, AND YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR, FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, RAVI, UM, ANYTHING ELSE? NO COURAGE. OKAY. OKAY, GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN. COURAGE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, I REALLY LIKE THE, THE GRAPHIC PRESENTATION. I THINK THAT'S A, A VERY USEFUL WAY OF HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS. ALL OF US LOOK AT TABLES AND CHARTS AND GRAPHS ALL THE TIME, BUT I THINK THAT, UH, THIS, THIS LAYS IT OUT IN A MUCH, UH, CLEARER WAY. ONE OF THE CONCERNS, UH, AND SO I REALLY LIKE THAT. AND, AND THE OVERALL PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE THOUGH, IS THAT WE'VE SAID THAT, UH, THERE ARE LIKE 95,000 VERY VULNERABLE HOUSEHOLDS, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A PLAN THAT'S ONLY GONNA SERVICE HALF OF THEM OVER 10 YEARS. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER HALF OF THEM FOR 10 YEARS? AND THAT NUMBER ISN'T GOING TO SHRINK, IT'S GOING TO GROW. SO I'M WONDERING IF OUR PLAN ISN'T LEAVING A LOT ON THE TABLE UNATTENDED. SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING ABOUT THAT? YEAH, COUNCILMAN, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK, UM, WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE OUR PREVIOUS GOALS, WHICH AGAIN, WERE, UH, 18,000 UNITS. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO RIGHT SIZE THEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, I THINK WE, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT BEING, UH, REALISTIC AND AMBITIOUS WITH OUR GOALS. UM, 96,000 UNITS IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MONETARY VALUE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE USED WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE REALISTIC IN 10 YEARS, EVEN WITH ASSUMING TWO SUCCESSFUL HOUSING BONDS. SO WE ARE, WE ARE JUST USING THIS AS A, AS A TARGET, A SHORT-TERM TARGET. WE DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE GOALS CAN BE UPDATED AGAIN. SO IF WE ARE EXCEEDING OUR TARGETS, JUST LIKE WE ARE NOW, WE CAN SET THAT GOAL EVEN FURTHER AND EVEN HIGHER TO TAKE A BIGGER CHUNK OUTTA THAT 96,000. BUT FOR US, IT WAS TRYING TO BE, UH, AGAIN, VERY AMBITIOUS WITH OUR, WITH OUR NEW GOALS, BUT ALSO TRYING TO BALANCE THAT, UH, FEASIBILITY OF BEING ABLE TO REALISTICALLY CONSTRUCT THAT MANY HOUSEHOLDS. AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS ARE THE FUNDING SOURCES. SO TAX CREDITS [00:25:01] ARE, ARE ONE OF THE BEST FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE. UH, AND THOSE, THOSE ARE LIMITED. EVEN THE FOUR PERCENTS ARE, ARE BASED ON, ON, UH, BOND CAPS AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND OF COURSE, OUR NINE PERCENTS ARE, ARE COMPETITIVE AND MOVING. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN GET, UH, AGAIN, AMBITIOUSLY EVEN WITH THE HOUSING BOND AND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, UM, WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SETTING OURSELVES UP NECESSARILY THAT THAT MAY BE TOO FAR OUT THERE. UM, THAT, THAT WAS THE BALANCING ACT THAT OUR DEPARTMENT DID. HOW MANY UNITS HAVE WE BUILT THAT ARE EVEN MIXED WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE AND MARKET RATE OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS? HOW MANY HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE CITY? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD COUNCILMAN, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. OKAY. I KNOW THAT WE, WE HAD THE, THE DECADE OF DOWNTOWN AND WE BUILT, UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO 7,000 UNITS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. BUT THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, WE'VE BEEN BUILDING IN MANY OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO SEE OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS HOW MANY MIXED PRO PROJECTS WE'VE HAD. MAYBE TOTALLY AFFORDABLE, BUT SOME THAT HAVE HAD AFFORDABILITY BUILT INTO THEM, EVEN IF IT'S JUST 10 OR 20% TO GET AN INDICATION. 'CAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING ABOUT RESOURCES. YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO APPROVE, TO APPROVE ANY KIND OF FINANCIAL COMMITMENT WE MAKE TO THIS. BUT I THINK WHEN WE, WHEN WE PROJECT ON HELPING HALF THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THE HELP, UH, I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE OTHER HALF THAT, THAT, UH, STILL NEED THE HELP THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO MUCH FOR. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE INTEREST NATIONALLY AND, UH, WORKING TO, UH, FIGHT HOMELESSNESS AND, UH, TO PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABILITY. AND I KNOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME DOWN THE PIPELINE IN THAT AREA, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE THAT WE'RE ALSO PLANNING AHEAD AND TRYING TO FIND OTHER WAYS OF INCREASING THAT ALONG THE WAY. UH, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S MY OBSERVATION, BUT I THINK OVERALL, THE WAY YOU LAY THIS OUT IS, UH, VERY CLEAR AND, UH, FAIRLY EASY TO UNDERSTAND. SO THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I'LL ALSO JUST SAY REALLY QUICKLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OUR IN OUR FINAL DOCUMENT, WE WILL INCLUDE THE NEED. SO WE WILL INCLUDE THAT 96,000, UH, AS, AS, AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS AND PART OF OUR RECALIBRATION EFFORT, EVEN IF IT'S NOT DIRECTLY LINED UP WITH OUR GOALS. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING, YOU KNOW, HONEST ABOUT THE NEED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, I WILL SAY THAT OUR RECALIBRATED HOUSING GOALS DEFINITELY HAVE TARGETS, UH, THAT ARE NOT, NOT JUST MORE, BUT ALSO, UH, MORE STRATEGICALLY, UM, TARGETED TOWARDS THEIR LOWER A M I LEVELS. UH, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, SITTING ON THE, ON THE HOUSING TRUST THAT THOSE ARE, ARE MORE COSTLY TO SUBSIDIZE. SO, UM, IF, IF YOU FUNDING SOURCES COME DOWN THE PIPELINE, IF WE ARE EXCEEDING TARGET GOALS, WE WILL CONTINUE, UH, TO EVALUATE THOSE TARGET GOALS AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE, AS WE GO FORWARD. UH, ONE THING I HADN'T HEARD, AND I'M WONDERING IF THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT, UH, AND, AND PEOPLE IN REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CAN PROBABLY HELP US UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT, UH, ARE THERE SOME FINANCIAL GOALS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MEET IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THESE 47,000 UNITS? UH, OR TO MEET THE NEEDS OF 47,000 PEOPLE? HAS ANYONE PUT A PENCIL TO IT AND SAID, THAT'S GONNA COST US, YOU KNOW, 300 MILLION OR 20? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING RIGHT NOW, COUNCILMAN. WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT WORK DONE VERY SOON. SO WHAT OUR, OUR CONSULTANT HAS DONE IS MET WITH OUR LOCAL DEVELOPERS. UH, RIGHT NOW IS A VERY INTERESTING TIME AS WE'RE COMING, HOPEFULLY, UH, OUT OF COVID. UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME, SOME CHANGES WITH THE, THE, THE PRICE OF LUMBER, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, THERE WAS ALSO SOME CHANGES WITH THE PERCENT HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING WITH OUR DEVELOPERS TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THAT SUBSIDY PER UNIT, AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO, UH, AS A FUNDING PLAN ALONGSIDE OUR, OUR STRATEGIC, UH, TARGET GOALS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. WE, WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT FINALIZED, UM, IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS OR SO. SO HOPEFULLY NEXT TIME WE COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE HIGH LEVEL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE, UH, AND WHAT, UH, WHAT ARE THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY FILL THOSE, UH, FUNDING NEEDS. THAT'S GOOD. ONE LAST THING ON YOU, LAST THING ON YOUR REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT LIST. UH, ARE THERE, IS THERE GOOD REPRESENTATION FROM A LOT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE TIED INTO THAT? I DO SEE A, A FEW NAMES. I SEE SABOR AND, UM, BUILDERS AND, [00:30:01] UH, I GUESS, UH, REAL ESTATE. SO, SO EVERYBODY, WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY IN THAT AREA REPRESENTED PRETTY WELL. OKAY. I NOTICED NONE OF THOSE, THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY OUT IN THE FIELD DOING THE WORK ARE LISTED AS, UH, LEADERS, UH, ON THAT COMMITTEE. DO WE OFFER LEADERSHIP TO ANYBODY? AND THEY JUST DECLINED. UM, WE, WE'VE ASSEMBLED THIS GROUP. UM, OF COURSE IT'S AN EXERCISE OF, OF TRYING TO HAVE A GROUP THAT'S, UH, LARGE ENOUGH TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY'S PERSPECTIVE AND EXPERTISE, BUT ALSO MANAGEABLE. I THINK WE COULD EASILY FIT 50, 60 PEOPLE IN THIS GROUP. UM, SO WE TRY TO BE A LITTLE STRATEGIC WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT WE HAVE. SO WE DO HAVE THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY. WE DO HAVE DEVELOPERS, NON-PROFITS, AND FOR-PROFITS. SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VARIED EXPERTISE, UM, THAT ARE ABLE TO, TO, TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. SO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A VERY GOOD MIX. THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD. UM, AND SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY WELL BALANCED, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. UM, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND COUNCILMAN COURAGE HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INVENTORY. UM, AND SO, AND HAVE WE DONE AN INVENTORY OF WHAT UNITS ARE AVAILABLE, UM, FOR OUR NEW A M I LEVELS? UH, DO YOU MEAN LIKE WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF UNITS AVAILABLE AT EACH A M I LEVEL? YES, WE HAVE DONE THAT WORK, UH, THAT, THAT WENT INTO THE RECALIBRATION. WE DON'T HAVE IT BROKEN OUT SPECIFICALLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE SAID WE DID A SUPPLY DEMAND, SO WE FOUND OUT THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE COST BURDEN TO THAT LEVEL, AND WE COMPARED IT TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS AVAILABLE AT THAT INCOME LEVEL. AND SO THAT DISPARITY IS REALLY WHERE OUR HOUSING TARGETS, UH, ARE, ARE COMING FROM. SO I CAN GET YOU THAT COUNCILWOMAN. I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW, BROKEN OUT ON THE SLIDE. OKAY. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING GOOD FOR ALL OF THE COMMITTEE, UH, MEMBERS TO SEE AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE HOUSING AND UNITS THAT WILL FIT EACH EVERY LEVEL OF THE AMIS. UM, I'M LIKING THE NEW WAY THAT THE A M I IS BROKEN DOWN. I THINK THE CHART THAT SHOWS HOURLY, UM, AND THE PERCENTAGE, UM, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE, SO I LIKE THAT, UM, DISPLAY ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, DEVELOPMENT IN YOUR, I YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING THE PEN AND PAPER RIGHT NOW WITH LOOKING AT THE COST BURDEN OF, OR THE COST ANALYSIS OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT HAVE WE LOOKED AT WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR REHABILITATION OR REPURPOSING, OR REPURPOSING OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE HERE WITHIN THE MARKET THAT WE CAN USE? SO, YES, ABSOLUTELY COUNCILWOMAN. SO TWO THINGS. UM, WE ARE LOOKING, AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS, NOT JUST FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT ALSO REHABILITATION. SO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OUT THERE DOING REHABILITATION AND MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY, TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE, UM, WE WILL HAVE TARGET, UH, TARGET OUR TARGET BUILD. WE BROKEN DOWN BY PROGRAMS. SO WE WILL HAVE REHABILITATION TARGETS VERSUS NEW CONSTRUCTION TARGETS. UM, AND GOING FORWARD, THERE'LL BE SPECIFIC STRATEGIES IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT ARE TARGETED TO EACH ONE. UH, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. RIGHT NOW, OUR, OUR MULTI-FAMILY REHAB ARE REALLY PRIMARILY DONE THROUGH 4% HOUSING TAX CREDITS. AND THEY'RE JUST KIND OF DONE AS WE RECEIVE THEM. SO ONE OF THE STRATEGIES WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IS HOW CAN WE BE MORE PROACTIVE ABOUT, UM, UH, ABOUT INCENTIVIZING MULTI-FAMILY REHAB, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE FUND IT? UH, SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT. AND THEN AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN AND GOING THROUGH THIS, ARE WE LOOKING AT HOW TO DO OPEN AREA, UM, HOUSING FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO BE FULLY EN ENCOMPASSED INTO THIS SHELTERING, BUT HOW DO WE DO LIKE OPEN BAY AREAS THROUGH OUR WAREHOUSES ARE THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE, UM, FORMAL USE SUCH AS GYMS THAT ARE NO LONGER BEING USED FOR EQUIPMENT, BUT THEY HAVE THE, THE SHOWERS, THEY HAVE THE RESTROOMS, THEY HAVE THOSE THINGS IN PLACE. HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM AS WELL? WE HAVE, NOT COUNCILWOMAN, BUT I, I CAN TALK TO THE HS A LITTLE BIT HOW WE CAN, UH, WE CAN COORDINATE, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE HOMELESSNESS STRATEGIC PLAN, UM, WHERE ITS PRIMARY FOCUS IS, IS, UH, IS IS REALLY TRYING TO ADDRESS THE HOMELESSNESS ISSUE. AND I THINK WHERE IT TRANSLATES INTO OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS, IS, UH, THE HOUSING THAT COUNCILMAN GONZALEZ REFERRED TO EARLIER IS THAT SUPPORTIVE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, HOW DO WE MOVE THEM FROM HOMELESSNESS, UH, TO TO, TO GENERAL HOUSING? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON RIGHT NOW. BUT LET ME COORDINATE WITH THEM AND SEE IF THEY'VE HAD ANY, UH, IDEAS ON THAT. OPEN, OPEN AIR, UH, OPEN AREA HOUSING. OKAY. [00:35:01] BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S A WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR SOMETHING TO, TO COME ON THE GROUND, UM, TO GET THOSE WHO ARE, ARE REALLY WANTING TO BE OUT OF THE ELEMENTS, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE GOING INTO OUR HOT SEASON. UM, THIS WOULD BE AN AREA THAT WOULD ALREADY BE KIND OF CLIMATE CONTROLLED. UM, AND SO I'M REALLY, UH, WANTING TO SEE HOW WE CAN START DOING SOME THINGS NOW INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR IT TO GET TOO HOT OR TOO COLD FOR US NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE. UM, BUT THOSE ARE REALLY ALL OF MY QUESTIONS, SUGGESTIONS, AND, AND RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS COMING TO COUNCIL. I THINK THAT THIS REALLY TACKLES WHERE WE ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND OUR A M I RATES. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, COUNCIL A MEMBER ANDREW SULLIVAN. AND SO LEMME JUST ASK, UH, ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. UM, UH, IAN, YOU SAID, DID YOU SAY THAT THE HOUSING COMMISSION WILL END AFTER THE SHIP IS ADOPTED? NO, THE, THE SHIP WILL END AFTER THE SHIP IS ADOPTED. SO THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE KIND OF CONVENED AS A TASK FORCE TO, TO HELP US CRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN THE HOUSING COMMISSION IS GONNA BE THE BODY THAT LIVES ON AND, AND HELPS TO OVERSEE THIS ALONG WITH THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO THAT COVERED, I HOPE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK, UH, GOOD ENOUGH FOR, FOR YOU ALL TO PROCEED. UM, AND THEN [3. 21-3240 Briefing on the Housing Commission’s Annual Retreat held on April 7, 2021 [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager. Verónica R. Soto, Director, NHSD]] WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE RETREAT. ALRIGHT, GREAT. UM, ROBERT. OKAY. AWESOME. OKAY. UM, NEXT SLIDE, ROBERT. THANK YOU. YES. SO, UH, I ALSO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE HOUSING COMMISSION'S ANNUAL RETREAT, UH, THAT WAS HELD APRIL 7TH AT PHIL HARDBERGER PARK, THE ECOLOGY CENTER. UM, WE JUST HAD HOUSING COMMISSIONERS, UH, REPRESENTED SOCIALLY DISTANT. UH, WE DID DO EVERYTHING ELSE VIRTUALLY. SO OUR VIRTUAL PUBLIC COMMENT, WE REALLY HAD THREE MAIN GOALS THROUGH THE RETREAT. ONE WAS TO FINALIZE OUR DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED TO THE, TO THIS COMMITTEE. ONE WAS TO INITIATE CONVERSATION, UH, ON A FORMAL SUBCOMMITTEE AND MEETING STRUCTURE. SO WE'VE BEEN HAVING LOTS OF, UH, LOTS OF DISCUSSION AS A HOUSING COMMISSION WITH STAFF ON, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HANDLE THE, THE, THE LARGE NEED FOR HOUSING, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO MEETING. UH, THEY NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE NIMBLE. SO WE WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, THE FORMAL, UH, SUBCOMMITTEES AND MEETING STRUCTURE SO THAT THE HOUSING COMMISSION CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TACKLING ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE BEEN CHARGED TO DO WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY, UH, BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT, THAT RISE UP TO THEM ON A MONTHLY BASIS. ON A MONTHLY BASIS. AND THEN WE WANTED TO RECONNECT AGAIN IN THAT LIGHT, UH, WITH THE MISSION. UH, AND ONE ANOTHER, OF COURSE, UH, RETREATS ARE GREAT FOR DOING THAT. WE HAD A, WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES IN MEMBERSHIP, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ABLE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND SOMEBODY AT A, AT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER PERSPECTIVE THAN JUST COMMISSIONERS. AND THEN OF COURSE, COVID HAS MADE EVERYTHING VERY DIFFICULT, UH, WITH ANY BOARD AND COMMISSION, ESPECIALLY IN ONE WITH NEW MEMBERS. UM, SO NEXT SLIDE. SO OF COURSE WE DID OUR DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY, SO I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS BECAUSE WE, WE JUST HAD A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION ON IT. UM, BUT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING TO ADDRESS, UH, AND CREATE A SINGULAR TERM TO BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOING FORWARD. UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE A FEW, AND, UH, DEPENDING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT PERSPECTIVE YOU HAVE, YOU MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY. SO WE WANTED TO UNIFY THAT UNDER THE HOUSING COMMISSION AND MOVE IT FORWARD. WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE SEVERAL FULL COMMISSION MEETINGS ON IT AND MANY GROUP GROUP MEETINGS THAT GOT US TO THE POINT WE'RE IN NOW. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS, AGAIN, THE SAME, UH, THE SAME RECOMMENDATION, UH, ON WEDNESDAY. THEY WILL BE FINALIZING A LETTER THAT WE WILL SEND TO THIS COUNCIL COMMITTEE THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE DISCUSSIONS THEY HAD WHEN THEY WERE CRAFTING THESE GOALS. AND SOME, UH, CORE PRINCIPLES THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE POLICY MAKERS ARE, ARE VERY AWARE OF NEXT SLIDE. SO THEY'LL BE DRAFTING THAT STATEMENT, UM, AGAIN TO THE PUBLIC GENERALLY TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABILITY COMES FROM, AND POLICY MAKERS AND THESE CONTEXTS WILL, UH, REALLY EMPHASIZE THOSE SHARED VALUES AND GOALS. SO THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE DEFINITIONS OF AFFORDABILITY, I THINK I TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT RESIDE IN THESE HOMES, NOT NECESSARILY, UH, THE UNITS. NEXT SLIDE. THE OTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WERE THE SUBCOMMITTEE STRUCTURES. UM, THE HOUSING COMMISSION CURRENTLY HAS, UH, A COUPLE SUBCOMMITTEES. THEY HAVE THEIR, UH, OUTREACH WORK GROUP THAT WAS CREATED. UM, THEY HAVE THEIR, UH, AN AGENDA WORK GROUP THAT'S USED TO FINALIZE HOUSING COMMISSION AGENDAS. AND SO WHAT WE'LL BE ADDING IS A DASHBOARD, AN ANNUAL REPORT. ONE OF THE CHARGES OF THE HOUSING COMMISSION WAS TO CREATE AN [00:40:01] ANNUAL REPORT TO THE COMMUNITY TO SHOW THAT ACCOUNTABILITY. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE ABLE TO TACKLE AND NOT, NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR HOUSING COMMISSION MEETINGS. SO THIS SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BE CREATED TO REALLY WORK ON THAT REPORTING MATERIAL AND TO SHOW PROGRESS, UH, NOT JUST TO THE COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO TO, UH, COUNCIL, UH, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC POLICY MEASURES THAT THEY'RE TACKLING AND ACCOMPLISHING, BUT ALSO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR SHIP AND OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, TARGET GOALS, UH, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE AS A COMMUNITY TOWARD ACHIEVING THOSE. AND THEN WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT OUR RE REFOCUSING, OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH, UH, AND ENGAGEMENT WORK GROUP. UH, AND REALLY TO BE STRUCTURED ON MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ENGAGING THE PUBLIC IN ISSUES THAT THEY, THAT THAT MAY BE ARISING OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORKS, SPECIFIC STRATEGIES. UM, SO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE, UH, POSSIBLY HAVING SESSIONS JUST TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE AND THAT WE ARE, UH, MAKING THE PUBLIC AWARE OF WHEN HOUSING COMMISSION MEETINGS ARE SO THAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THAT, UH, THIS NEXT MEETING ON WEDNESDAY WITH THE HOUSING COMMISSION TO FINALIZE WHAT THOSE, UH, WHAT THOSE COMMITTEES WILL LOOK LIKE. NEXT SLIDE. UH, WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF SUBCOMMITTEES TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES TO SOME BOARDS, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEES, UH, DEMOLITION COMMITTEES. AND SO THESE, THESE SUBCOMMITTEES SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD FUNCTION IN THAT WAY. THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC CHARGE, UH, WHICH WE'LL FINALIZE WITH THE, WITH THE HOUSING COMMISSION. AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE DELIVERABLES, UH, ALONG WITH MEMBERSHIP. NEXT SLIDE. SO AGAIN, FINALIZING THAT CHARGE IN MEMBERSHIP IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON ON WEDNESDAY. AND THEN HOPEFULLY BY MAY, WE WILL HAVE, UH, FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS WORKING WITH SMALLER GROUPS OF THE HOUSING COMMISSION ON THE, UH, ON FORMALIZING THOSE, THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES. NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE RETREAT, UH, UPDATE. THEY, WE WILL BE FINALIZING A REPORT LIKE WE DID LAST YEAR ON THE RETREAT, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A LOT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION. UH, STAFF IS WORKING ON FINALIZING IT THIS WEEK, SO THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC AND THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, AND I'LL BE PUBLISHED ONLINE ON THE WEBSITE, UH, SO THAT INDIVIDUALS CAN, CAN READ THROUGH IT. SO THAT CONCLUDES AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR BRIEFING, UH, UPDATE, BUT I HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, THANKS IAN. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HERE, SO I'LL TURN IT. DOES ANYBODY, OH, IT LOOKS LIKE I SEE COUNCIL MEMBER I EMAIL GO AHEAD. UH, THANK YOU CHAIR AND UH, THANK YOU IAN AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WANNA THANK THE HOUSING COMMISSION FOR THEIR WORK. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ESPECIALLY THANK JESSICA GUERRERO FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND, AND CALLING ATTENTION TO THE ISSUES OF AFFORDABILITY AND EFFECTIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. UH, I'M, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE DASHBOARD. UH, THE DASHBOARDS FOR EAP AND CULTURE AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES HAVE PROVIDED EVERYONE WITH, WITH MORE INFORMATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SECTION OF THE DASHBOARD, WHICH PROVIDES A CHART OR A VISUAL NUMBER OF UNITS NEEDED AT EACH OF THE 7:00 AM I LEVELS. UM, I ALSO FEEL THAT THIS EFFORT IS GOING TO, GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK ALONGSIDE THE HOUSING COMMISSION. AGAIN, I WANNA THANK STAFF, UH, FOR THIS UPDATE AND FINDING A WAY TO HOLD, UH, FOR THE, UH, UH, HOUSING COMMISSION TO HOLD THE ANNUAL RETREAT IN PERSON. SO, UM, THANK YOU AGAIN, UH, FOR THIS UP UPDATE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, OKAY, JOHN, GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UH, IAN, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, THE RENTAL, THE RENTERS COMMISSION OR RENTAL SUBCOMMITTEE BY THE HOUSING COMMISSION COMMISSIONER? NO, THAT, THAT TOPIC, UH, DID NOT COME UP AS A SPECIFIC TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUBCOMMITTEES. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALSO JUST FOR BRIEFING. I THINK THAT COVERS IT, RIGHT? JUST THESE TWO ITEMS FOR BRIEFING TODAY AND, UM, UM, SO WE INTENTIONALLY KEPT IT LIGHT SO EVERYBODY CAN GET BACK TO WORK. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL VERY SOON. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.