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[Committee on Emergency Preparedness on April 30, 2021.]
ATTENDING, UH, UH, REMOTELY, UH, TO OUR MEETING TODAY ON THE, UH, UH, EMERGENCY, UH, PREPARATION COMMITTEE.UH, WE WANT TO, UM, JUST HAVE A COUPLE INTRODUCTORY REMARKS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I, I WANT TO THANK, UH, UH, C P S S COSA.
UH, THEY'RE GETTING THEIR QUESTIONS IN TO US NOW.
UH, WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT, UH, A LOT MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, THE GOAL TODAY, UH, WILL BE FOR US TO GET AS MANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS, UH, POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AS POSSIBLE.
UH, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY, UH, THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS ARE, ARE TO THAT POINT.
WE STILL HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP, WHICH IS, I WILL REMIND FOLKS THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING THIS, IS THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT BASICALLY, UH, TWO BUCKETS.
UH, ONE BUCKET IS THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON, ASKING FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS TO, AND BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME MORE, UH, AMPLIFICATION TO THE, UH, THE SECOND BUCKET, UH, IS WHERE WE THINK THAT THE INFORMATION IS FINISHED.
I'VE RECEIVED SEVERAL QUESTIONS, UH, FROM, UH, CITIZENS, UH, AND WE'VE RECEIVED, UH, A LITTLE BIT ONLINE AS TO, UH, WHAT'S THE PRODUCT.
OKAY? WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION, UH, HERE, UH, IN EARLIER SESSIONS.
BUT JUST TO REMIND FOLKS, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE CREATING THE BACKUP INFORMATION, UH, FOR OUR ANSWERS, UH, JUST AS YOU WOULD DO ANY OTHER RESEARCH PROJECT, OUR ANSWERS, I WILL TELL YOU NOW, WE'LL BE BRIEF AND TO THE POINT.
THEY WILL NOT BE A REHASH OF WHAT IS IN THE EXISTING QUESTIONS UNLESS WE NEED AN EXHIBIT THAT WE HAVE TO DISPLAY IN THE FINAL REPORT IN ORDER TO MAKE OUR POINT, OR TO MAKE THE POINT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND.
WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO PULL GRAPHS AND CHARTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DIAGRAMS UP FROM THE BASE MATERIAL, UH, IF WE, UH, UH, WE NEED TO, UH, BUT WE ARE PUSHING HARD TO GET THIS FINISHED.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, UH, CHANGE THE ORDER JUST A BIT TODAY, UH, FROM THE AGENDA.
UH, I, I WOULD LIKE, WE'VE GOTTEN QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS IN, UH, AND THEY'VE BEEN, UH, ANALYZING THEM, UH, FROM, FROM SAWS.
SO I THINK, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL TAKE, UH, SAWS FIRST TODAY AND KIND OF GO OVER WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.
WE'LL THEN, UH, PICK UP C P S.
WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, UH, ALMOST, I GUESS I'D, I'D HAVE TO BE CORRECTED.
THERE'S, IT'S MAYBE ONE QUESTION ON VIA, UH, THAT, UH, DR.
RO GARCIA IS, UH, STILL LOOKING FOR, BUT I THINK WE GOT EVERYTHING FROM COSA.
SO, UH, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BE VERY BRIEF ON, UH, ON C P S.
THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE SAME SPREADSHEET AND, UH, AND THE CSSO WILL BE, UH, OBVIOUSLY WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT, BIT LONGER TODAY.
WE STILL WILL WITHHOLD WITH OUR, IN OUR TWO HOURS.
IF WE'RE NOT FINISHED, WE'RE OUTTA HERE.
UM, WE'VE, UH, GONE THROUGH ALL THE QUESTIONS.
WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE ANSWERS WITH SAWS, AND WE'VE GOT A MEETING SCHEDULED TOGETHER WITH THEM THIS NEXT WEEK WHERE WE'LL SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH OUR, UM, WANTING MORE CLARIFICATION ON THEIR ANSWERS.
AND SO THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS NEXT WEEK.
AND WE ALSO HAVE ASKED THEM IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT THEY COULD GET BLACK AND VEATCH IN HERE TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW ON WHAT BLACK AND VEATCH IS ACTUALLY DOING ON THAT, THAT CONTRACT, ON WHAT THEY'RE, UM, WHAT THE R F P ASKS THEM TO DO, AND WHAT THEIR DELIVERABLES WILL BE AND WHAT, WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS FOR, UM, THE PRODUCTS THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET FROM BLACK AND VEATCH.
AND GIVE US AN OVERVIEW ALSO SO THAT WE CAN, UM, UM, KIND OF LOOK AT THAT.
AND IF IT SPURS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT THOSE IN THE MIX AS WELL.
SO, LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT PRESENTATION THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD, UH, THIS NEXT WEEK.
AND, UH, THEN FOLLOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, WILLING TO BRING IN BLACK AND VEATCH AND ACTUALLY GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON THAT.
SO, UM, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
ALSO, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE TIMING OF THE BLACK AND VEATCH REPORT? YEAH.
UH, ORIGINALLY IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE
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THE FINAL REPORT, YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL THE GOING BACK AND FORTH.IT WILL BE IN JUNE, UH, WHEN IT, WHEN IT'S, UH, GONNA BE FINALIZED.
BUT WE CAN GET A BRIEFING UPFRONT ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS AND WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT.
AND, UH, WE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT REPORT AFTER IT'S, IT'S FINALIZED.
AND, UM, I, I, I WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO DOVETAIL ON THAT AND, AND MAKE A MORE, UH, BROAD COMMENT ABOUT ALL THE ANSWERS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE WATCHING US, UH, MR. CHAIR, AND, UH, AND REID AND I HAD A HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT, UH, THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE HAVE REQUESTED A BRIEFING, UM, AND THEIR RIGHT TO WANT ONE.
UM, ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SAW SOME STORIES IN, IN THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANSWERS NOT COMING QUICK ENOUGH AND, AND PEOPLE ARE ANXIOUS AND, UH, 'CAUSE WE PROMISED THEM ANSWERS.
AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD THING TOO.
UM, I, I DO THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO, UH, NOT JUST GET ANSWERS, BUT ALSO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS.
UM, AND, UH, AS I TOLD SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES YESTERDAY, THE ANSWERS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR ARE A GOOD START.
UH, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY DO, UH, CREATE THE NEED FOR FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS AND, UM, A REQUEST TO THE UTILITIES AND CSOSA THAT WE PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE MEAT ON THE BONE ON SOME OF THESE ANSWERS.
AND, AND I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHING UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE'S LITIGATION OUT THERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEWSPAPER REPORTED ON, UH, YOU KNOW, LITIGATION THAT IS, UH, ALREADY BEEN FILED AND THAT IS GOING TO BE FILED.
WE HAVE, UM, TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT ASKING SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS OF THE UTILITIES, UH, THEY MAY BE SHY, UH, AND COSA MAY BE SHY ALSO ABOUT ANSWERING, UH, FULLY.
'CAUSE LAST THING THEY WANNA DO IS GET PREGNANT WITH A BAD ANSWER THAT THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE LITIGATION.
RIGHT? AND SO WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH THE CEOS.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT REED YOU'VE TALKED TO, UH, THE CBS'S, UH, UH, UH, C E O, UM, AND SOMETIMES THE ANSWER MAY BE WE CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.
'CAUSE, UH, ON ADVICE OF COUNSEL, UH, IT MAY IMPERIL OUR ABILITY TO RECOVER, UH, FROM THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE SUING.
UH, THAT'S, THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE DEAL WITH THOSE.
UH, THE OTHER THING TOO IS I, I WILL TELL, EXCUSE ME, MANNY.
ARE, ARE WE HAVING, UH, VIDEO TROUBLES TO GET HIM ON? OR THE TV? NO, WE'RE OKAY.
HE'S, I DIDN'T BREAK THE, I DIDN'T BREAK THE TV.
SO THE, UH, THE OTHER THING TOO IS, UH, AND I SPOKE TO THE C E O OF SAS THIS MORNING, UM, AND I MADE IT CLEAR TO HIM THAT OUR EXPECTATION COMING IN, UM, FOR THE MEETING THAT, UH, CLAYTON AND I ARE GONNA HAVE WITH HIM IS, UH, AND IT WOULD MAKE OUR JOB E EASIER IF THEY WERE TO ASSUME THAT ALL OF THE QUESTIONS WE'LL BE ASKING THEM ARE REALLY JUST WHY OR WHY NOT, RIGHT? SO GO BACK, LOOK AT ALL YOUR ANSWERS, AND THEN ANTICIPATE THAT CLAYTON AND I ARE GONNA SAY, NOW TELL US WHY YOUR ANSWER IS WHAT IT IS, OR WHY IT IS THAT YOU COULD OR COULDN'T DO.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE ASKED YOU ABOUT, UM, UH, COUNT, UH, C E O, UH, ROBERTO PUENTE SAID, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'LL BE DOING, AND WE'LL START WORKING ON BEEFING UP THOSE ANSWERS TODAY.
UM, HE'S A LAWYER AND, YOU KNOW, HE UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ANSWER A QUESTION.
YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA GET A WHY OR WHY NOT, YOU KNOW, QUESTION FOLLOWING UP.
UM, I, I DO THINK IT'S FAIR, UH, TO SAY THAT CSSA AND C P S SHOULD PROBABLY BE EXPECTING THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW, I'LL LET YOUR Y'ALL'S WORK GROUPS, UM, YOU KNOW, ARTICULATE THAT.
UM, BUT HEADS UP, SO AS CLAYTON AND I ARE COMING, AND WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING YOU GUYS WHY OR WHY NOT A LOT, THANKS.
I APPRECIATE, UH, BOTH, UH, YOU, MANNY AND CLAYTON, UH, SETTING THAT STAGE.
UH, AGAIN, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, OUR JOB IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT AND WHY.
AND, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ANSWERED WITH THE WHAT, UH, HAPPENED, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE WHY, AND THAT'S VERY APPROPRIATE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT FOLLOW UP VERY MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, UH, DR, I MEAN, ROBERT PUENTE'S, UH, UM, WILLINGNESS THERE TO GET THAT DONE.
BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE, UH, GUESSES, SUPPOSITIONS ASSUMPTIONS, WHICH, UH, I DON'T, I'M CLEARLY NOT, UH, COMFORTABLE WITH.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE IS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WITH THE SAS WORK, UH, IN, IN ON THE COMMITTEE? I MEAN, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? LISA, WE'LL START WITH YOU.
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SOMEBODY ABLE TO ASK, UH, SAS ABOUT THE OUTAGE MAPS ON THE DIFFERENT DAYS? THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, UM, LAST WEEK.AND THEN ALSO ABOUT THEIR COMMUNICATIONS.
SO, C P S HAD A WHOLE MATRIX OF, OF THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THEY SENT OUT.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF, IF, UM, SAS WAS GONNA DO, DID SOMEBODY ASK IF, IF THEY COULD DO THAT, AND WHAT WAS THEIR RESPONSE? NOT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THAT, THAT'S PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
AND, AND, AND IT'S SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY THE 10TH IS WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE SITTING DOWN WITH THEM.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T LIKE TO GET INTO THIS BACK AND FORTH WRITING, LETTER WRITING OR EMAILS OR WHATEVER.
I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN AND DIRECTLY TALK WITH THEM, SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, SO THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE KIND OF THE SAME DOCUMENTS ACROSS, UH, SOME OF THE MAJOR DOCUMENTS.
'CAUSE I CONSIDER THAT COMMUNICATION MAJOR.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT IT, IT BROUGHT UP, UH, UH, BACK ON, UH, THE COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT ACROSS ALL THREE AREAS.
UH, THEY DID SUPPLY AS YOU, AS YOU SAW A LONG LIST OF EMAILS THAT WENT BACK AND FORTH.
AND, UH, WHILE THAT WAS, UM, INTERESTING, UH, IT, I THINK WHAT WE, WHAT, UH, UH, ANDREA IS, IS ADRIANA IS TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR COMMUNICATION SYSTEM WAS, NOT JUST WHO COMMUNICATED WITH WHOM ON AN EMAIL, UM, AND MONDAY THE 10TH.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S AFTER OUR, OUR, OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, UH, POSSIBILITY TO, UH, GET ANY OF THAT DONE, UH, BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING, I, I, I REALLY WOULD HOPE WE COULD DO THAT.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, I'M READY TO GET THIS DONE.
UH, AND, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE ALL GOT LIVES TO LIVE AND PLACES TO GO, AND WE HAVE IMPATIENT, UH, CLIENTS OUT THERE, BASICALLY, WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO TRY TO MOVE THAT UP.
BUT MAN, I TELL YOU WHAT, TRYING TO GET THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME, UH, IS DIFFICULT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL WORK ON THAT.
WELL, MAYBE NOT, MAYBE TRY NOT TO GET SUCH A BIG GROUP TOGETHER.
LET'S CATCH 'EM ONE AT A TIME OR SOMETHING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? BEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, GOOD MORNING, UH, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE.
IS THERE ANY, UH, IN TERMS OF THE SAWS QUESTIONS AND RESPONSES, IS THERE ANY OF THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO POST TO THE, TO THE WEBSITE AT THIS POINT? WELL, AS FAR AS, UM, UH, I, IF WE'RE TRYING TO STAY WITH THE POINT OF, AND THIS IS MY NEXT POINT ON HERE, BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO STAY WITH THE POINT OF WHEN WE GET IT, EVEN THOUGH IF IT'S NOT COMPLETE, WE POST IT, UM, I WOULD LIKE Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK AND IF, IF NECESSARY, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE, UH, ARE, DO WE HAVE Y'ALL'S GO AHEAD TO POST WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED? I, I WOULD SAY, YES, SIR, ABSOLUTELY.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT IS COMPLETE.
SO I WOULD PUT IT ALL ON OUT THERE.
SO, WELL, THAT BRINGS UP THE POINT.
ARE YOU WANTING TO PUT IT ALL UNDER THE, STILL UNDER DISCUSSION SINCE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR DISCUSSIONS? OR DO YOU WANNA SPLIT IT BETWEEN COMPLETE AND UNDER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE IT SORTED OUT, RIGHT, ALEX, ON WHAT'S COMPLETE AND WHAT'S, UH, STILL PENDING.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD GO AHEAD AND SET IT UP LIKE THAT RIGHT AWAY.
IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND MANNY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? NO, SIR.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, UM, LET'S MOVE INTO THE, TO THE C P S, UH, QUESTIONS IF WE COULD.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET THE, UH, UH, THE SCREEN UP, UH, ALEX, UH, WITH THE QUESTIONS, I GUESS WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
WELL, UH, WHILE, WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, LET'S, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OF THINGS THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH C P SS, UH, IN THE LAST WEEK.
UM, I'VE HAD SOME, AND SO HAS BEEN IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, MY DISCUSSIONS WITH C P S, IT'S BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT, UM, WE, IF THEY CAN'T ANSWER A QUESTION AS MANNY WAS EXPLAINING, AS HE DID VERY WELL AS AN ATTORNEY, JUST TELL US, OKAY, LET US KNOW.
WE, WE, WE WON'T KEEP BOTHERING 'EM.
GIVE US THE REASON THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT.
CLEARLY WHEN WE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS, I, ALL THE LAWSUITS WEREN'T FILED AND, AND IT WAS IN A DIFFERENT WORLD, WORLD'S CHANGED.
SO IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING PARTICULARLY AROUND THE PRICING OF THE LAWSUITS, LET US DO THAT.
UM, AND, UH, THAT, THAT'S BEEN MY DISCUSSION.
BEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH C P S IN THE LAST
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WEEK? UH, YES, SIR.I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THEM, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK.
UM, AND, UH, ALEX HAS A STATUS THAT WE CAN WALK THROUGH, BUT ON THOSE QUESTIONS OR RFIS THAT ARE PENDING, UH, WHAT I GOT FROM C P S IS THEY EXPECT TO GET, UM, THE REST OF THOSE TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK AND A HALF.
UH, I ACTUALLY GOT ANOTHER ONE THIS MORNING THAT WE WILL FORWARD AND POST AS WELL.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, CHAIR, THAT THEY HAVE INDICATED THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION, BUT THEY WILL PROVIDE A RESPONSE TO THE COMMITTEE IN TERMS OF WHY THAT INFORMATION ISN'T AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEE.
SO AGAIN, UM, IF EVERYTHING GOES SMOOTHLY IN TERMS OF THE REVIEW PROCESS, UH, I EXPECT TO HAVE ALL THE RESPONSES, UH, IN BY NEXT FRIDAY.
AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE POSTED TO THE, UH, SHAREPOINT SITE FOR YOU ALL TO, UH, TO VIEW.
UH, THAT'S THE NUMBER TWO IS, UH, THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART.
THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE WORKING ON.
UH, THEY'VE GIVEN BEN SOME CONCEPTS AND I THINK, UH, SHOULD MAYBE BE ABLE TO GIVE US SOMETHING.
DID YOU RECEIVE THAT YET? UH, NO, SIR.
UM, I SHOULD GET A, A SAMPLE OF WHAT THAT FUNCTIONAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, I BELIEVE ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY.
AND THEN, UH, WE WILL GIVE THEM SOME FEEDBACK AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO GET THAT ONE DONE WITHIN THE WEEK AND A HALF TIMEFRAME AS WELL.
WE, WE DID RECEIVE THE, UH, NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE VOLUME.
AND, UH, AND WE'RE, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT ON A FOLLOW UP OF THAT, WHICH WE PROBABLY CAN DO WITHOUT BEING AN OFFICIAL, IS, UH, I'M HAVING TROUBLE DESIGN, UH, DIFFERENTIATING IN SOME CASES IN THE POWER PURCHASE AGREEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S WIND OR SOLAR.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN PUT A TAG ON THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE HAVE MANY, UM, WE HAVE MANY, UH, UH, POWER PURCHASE CONTRACTS, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO SEPARATE WHAT WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THE LANDFILL VERSUS WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM WEST TEXAS.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE SEE THAT, UH, AS A TOTAL WIND AND, AND SOLAR.
UH, NUMBER FOUR, UM, A AGAIN, THIS, THIS, UM, THIS, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THERE.
UH, WE'RE, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING IT, UH, IN THE RIGHT EXCEL FORMATS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL THERE AND, UH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
UM, THE PURCHASE, UH, THAT WE GOT THAT, UM, AND, AND FRANKLY, UH, UH, NUMBER SEVEN, UM, THEY DID PUT THE FORECAST IN.
UH, THERE'S A TREND HERE, UH, THAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, FROM EVERYBODY'S FORECAST BECAUSE I GUESS THEY WERE LISTENING TO ABOUT THE SAME FOLKS, OR EVERYBODY'S LISTENING TO EVERYBODY ELSE'S, UH, REPORTS.
AND, UH, ALMOST WITHOUT EXCEPTION, I DON'T THINK, UH, THE FORECASTERS QUITE GOT THIS, UH, QUITE THIS RIGHT COMING IN.
UH, CERTAINLY, UH, NOT UNTIL MAYBE THE, JUST LOOKING AT THE FORECAST, MAYBE BY THE, BY THE 13TH OR 14TH, THEY WERE STARTING TO SEE IT, BUT CLEARLY NOT AT THE EARLIER PART OF THE FEBRUARY.
UM, UH, THE, OKAY, THIS, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE.
UH, NUMBER NINE, UH, IT IS PENDING.
UH, WE DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO RECEIVE A HEAT MAP, UH, FROM C P S.
UH, THEY CAN'T DO IT BY CENSUS TRACK, THAT'S FINE.
AND IN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS AN TAL MAP.
IT'S EITHER THAT, THAT ZIP CODE HAD OUTAGE OR THAT ZIP CODE DIDN'T HAVE OUTAGE.
AS WE'VE UNDERSTOOD, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION AS TO WAS ONE AREA OR PART OF THE CITY OR ONE SOCIAL DEMOGRAPHIC, UH, DISADVANTAGE TO THE OTHER.
AND, UH, THEY DO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN GENERATE THAT, BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT.
UH, WE DID GET THE, UH, LET'S SEE, THE NEXT ONE COMING DOWN.
UM, WE DID GET THE ANSWER ON, UH, THE DAY MANAGEMENT PROCEDURE IN PLACE.
I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE A, A VERY BIG AREA IN IN OUR DISCUSSION, UH, WHEN ANA AND I SIT DOWN AND DRAFT THIS FOR Y'ALL'S REVIEW.
UM, C P SS HAVING BEEN LONG POWER HISTORICALLY AND CULTURALLY, UM, UH, REALLY HADN'T HAD TO DO AS MUCH DEMAND MANAGEMENT AS MANY FOLKS.
UH, DEMAND MANAGEMENT IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF A, WELL, IT'S THERE AND IF WE HAVE TO DO IT A LITTLE BIT, WE'LL DO IT IT, AND WE'RE BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT MANAGEMENT'S NOT TURNING IT OFF, BUT IT'S TURNING IT BACK ON.
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OKAY.SO, UH, THEY COULD TURN IT OFF PRETTY EFFECTIVELY.
JUST GETTING IT BACK ON WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
SO, MOVING ON DOWN ON THE DEMAND MANAGEMENT, UH, TO NUMBER, UH, WHAT'S THE NUMBER ONE AFTER 14? SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO SCOOCH THAT UP.
UM, WE DID GET AN ANSWER ON THAT.
I CONTINUE TO TRY TO EMPHASIZE, AND IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE TALK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, TALK TO YOUR FELLOW COUNCIL, UM, MEMBERS.
UM, I AM OF THE FIRM BELIEF, AND I'M REALLY WILLING TO LISTEN TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO, UH, DEBATE THIS, THAT AT THE POINT IN, IN, UH, EARLY MORNING OF, UH, UH, LATE SUNDAY NIGHT, OR I THINK IT, I CAN'T, I THINK THE TIME WAS LIKE ONE SOMETHING THAT MONDAY MORNING WHEN, WHEN ERCOT ARTIFICIALLY ARBITRARILY, AND THEN WHAT I CONSIDER A VERY COMMAND AND CONTROL BASIS MOVED THAT PRICE TO $9,000.
THEY ABROGATED THE FREE MARKET SYSTEM, PERIOD.
YOU'RE NO LONGER IN A FREE MARKET SYSTEM.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S THAT OBVIOUSLY BY THE FACT THAT THEY CONTINUED TO HAVE TO SHED LOAD THE, THE THEORY THAT IF YOU RAISE THE PRICE, YOU GET MORE WAS SIMPLY NOT WORKING.
AND PROBABLY IF WE CAN GET BETTER DATA OVER TIME, MAYBE AS A COMMUNITY, WE'LL SEE WHETHER THAT EVER WORKED.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT DID SEND A VERY BAD PRICE SIGNAL TO THE GAS MARKET, WHICH THEN TURNED BACK AROUND AND, AND HIT US ON THE BACKSIDE WHEN WE TRIED TO BUY GAS TO PRODUCE POWER.
'CAUSE WE COULDN'T GET TO THAT 9,000 MARKET WE HAD TO SERVE A NATIVE LOAD.
UM, THE MESSAGES ON, ON THE COMMUNICATION IS, IS REALLY, UH, QUITE COMPLETE.
UH, I, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE CITY, UH, AND EMERGENCY, UH, CENTER'S WORK, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK MORE ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS, AND I'M SURE Y'ALL WILL.
I LIKE THE FORMAT THAT THE CITY USED WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR COMMUNICATION BY DAY.
AND IF WE COULD STRETCH THAT OUT INTO COLUMNS AND BRING OVER THE COMMUNICATION THAT WAS IN THE OTHER TWO GROUPS AND LAY ALONGSIDE THAT, MAYBE WE CAN SEE DISCONNECTS.
WE'VE ALREADY ALREADY SEEN A FEW, AND, AND THERE'S PROBABLY A FEW THAT OTHER FOLKS WILL SEE.
UM, OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON UP PAST 24 AND WE'LL GET THIS OUT, GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY.
SO, SO THE CHAIR, THIS REPRESENTS EVERYTHING THAT YOU RECEIVED.
WE HAVE, GO AHEAD AND BEN CHAIR.
UH, REED, UM, JUST REAL QUICK ON ITEM NUMBER R F I NUMBER 14, UH, ALEX AND I WERE GOING OVER OUR NOTES AND HAD THAT AS PENDING.
AND, UH, WE'VE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION.
I JUST, I, I CAN'T RECALL WHAT THE FOLLOW UP WAS ON THAT ONE.
YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT DESCRIBES THE SYSTEM AND IT'S, IT'S BACK TO WHAT, UH, CLAYTON AND MANNY WERE SAYING.
IT, IT SAYS THE, IT SAYS THE WHAT.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, OF, OF, OF, OF, OF WHY, UH, THE WHY IS WE GOT HIT WITH A, WITH AN UNPRECEDENTED EVENT, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND, AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
UH, AS FAR AS, UH, DESCRIBING THE SYSTEM, I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT, UH, THEY'VE DESCRIBED THE SYSTEM AND THEY'VE, UM, UH, AND THEY MADE SOME CORRECTIONS.
THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS, IF MY MEMORY SERVES, THAT THEY, UM, USED SOME, UH, LOWER, UH, WHAT THEY CALL UNDER FREQUENCY CIRCUITS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY DID THAT, UH, TO AUGMENT THE INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UM, THEY'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION THAT WE ASK.
THAT'S WHERE I WOULD PUT THAT DOWN.
AND AT THIS POINT, I, I, I'M REALLY GONNA JUST KIND OF BOUNCE IT OVER TO ANA AND GET HER COMMENTS, BECAUSE I'M, I'M SURE SHE'S GOT A SEVERAL ON THESE TWO.
AND I, I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THEM WITH MY COMMENTS.
ANNA, FEEL FREE TO GO THROUGH 'EM WITH YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE.
I THINK A, A MINOR QUESTION ON, ON 14, UH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THEY, THEY DESCRIBE, AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE U F L SS, SO THE, THE, WHAT IS IT, UNDER FREQUENCY LOAD SHED.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE CRUX OF THIS IS, IS HOW THEY ROTATED IT.
AND IT, UM, IT SAYS WE ROTATED IT, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW, UM, AND IT, I MEAN, IT DOES SAY GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION WAS NOT A FACTOR IN DOING THAT.
UH, I, I JUST WOULD LIKE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT WHAT THEY MEAN BY ROTATING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WAS EVERY SINGLE CIRCUIT OUT FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME OR WAS THERE JUST, WHAT WAS THAT SYSTEM TO,
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TO ROTATE IT? WELL, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, AND THAT'S ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, SPEND SOME TIME ON BECAUSE, UH, WHEN WE SEE THE HEAT MAP, WE WILL MAYBE GET A BIT OF AN ANSWER ON THAT.BUT ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FEEDBACK IS.
BUT, BUT ALSO, UH, WE'RE BEGA WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE, AND, AND ANNA, AND I'LL HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS, WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE THAT WHEN THEY WERE ON THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM, CLEARLY, UH, AND WE WERE ROTATING THROUGH THESE CIRCUITS, YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IF IT'S IF'S A, IF IT'S A, UM, COATED SYSTEM THAT SAYS WE'RE GONNA ROTATE 'EM, THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IT FAIRLY.
THE, THE PROBLEM IS THEY JUST, THOSE CIRCUITS COULDN'T HOLD.
SO ONCE THEY CAME ON FOR THREE OR FOUR MINUTES AND YOU HAD EVERYTHING ON THAT BUSTED IT, OKAY, IT WAS PULLING TOO MUCH POWER, BROKE THE BREAKER, UH, UH, TRIPPED THE BREAKER, AND IT WAS ON, THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND START MANUALLY DOING IT.
AND THEY DID MAKE THAT CHANGE.
AND TO THEIR CREDIT, I, I, I RECOGNIZE THAT, AND WE ALL SHOULD, IS THAT THEY BEGAN, THEY REALIZED THAT THEIR AUTOMATED SYSTEM,
THEY ALSO REALIZED THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SYSTEM TO, TO COMMUNICATE OR TO CONTROL ENOUGH THERMOSTATS TO SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN AND BRING IT ON SLOWLY SO THAT THE, THE CIRCUIT COULD COME UP ON AN ORDERLY BASIS AS OPPOSED TO BEING SEARCHED.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT IN THE, IN THE DISCUSSION.
AND THEN I ACTUALLY WANT TO GO BACK TO ONE OF THE RFIS THAT I HAD DESIGNATED AS COMPLETE, AND I REALIZED THAT WE WERE MISSING A PIECE OF INFORMATION IN THAT.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT COMMUNICATION PROCEDURES AND SPECIFIC POINTS OF CONTACT WERE IN PLACE WITH CUSTOMERS, MEDIA, OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES? UH, THERE IS A DESCRIPTION OF THE PROCEDURES IN PLACE, AND A DESCRIPTION OF THE POINTS OF CONTACT.
THEY DIDN'T GIVE US THE, THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.
UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, AND WE CAN DRAFT THIS UP.
UH, SO I WENT THROUGH THE, THE TABLES YESTERDAY, I, AND THERE IS, UH, AN INDICATION OF, YOU KNOW, CONTACT WITH, UH, CITY COUNCIL.
IT'LL JUST SAY, BEAR COUNTY, AND IT'S UNCLEAR WHO, WHO THE CONTACTS NECESSARILY ARE.
SO IF IT'S CITY COUNCIL, UM, DOES THAT MEAN, UH, ME? DOES THAT MEAN MY STAFF PERSON? DOES THAT MEAN MY GENERIC DISTRICT7@SANANTONIO.GOV EMAIL? I THINK THAT'S, UH, SOME, SOME DETAILS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR, FOR US TO KNOW.
UH, SO I, I'D LIKE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND I THINK THE SAME FOR THE OTHER, UH, GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING BEAR COUNTY.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT IS, UH, THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY MISSING.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW, I'VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED INPUT FROM OTHER SUBURBAN CITIES SAYING THAT NOBODY HAD CONTACTED THEM ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO THEIR ELECTRIC SERVICES, AND THAT THE ELECTRIC WOULD JUST GO OFF AND, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE PUMPING STATIONS AND, AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WERE REALLY AFFECTED AND THEY HAD NO IDEA ON WHAT WAS AND COULDN'T GET IN TOUCH WITH ANYBODY EITHER TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
UH, COUNCILMAN AND I WANTED TO ADD TO YOUR POINT, UM, AND ACTUALLY TO COUNCILMAN PERRY'S POINT, UH, R F I 24, WHICH HAS THAT CHART THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT ADDRESSED IN R F I 11.
I DUNNO IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN CROSS TAB IT OR SOMETHING SO THAT THEN PEOPLE COULD GO BACK AND SEE THAT FLOW OF COMMUNICATION.
BUT I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH, UM, COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE, COUNCILMAN PERRY ON THAT, UH, R F I NUMBER 24, THEY LIST THEIR SEPARATE AUDIENCES.
SO THERE'S LIKE A MEDIA AUDIENCE, THERE'S A, UM, THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE A SUBURBAN CITY.
AND SO THEY HAVE ABOUT TWO PAGES WORTH OF CONTACTS, UM, FROM THESE DIFFERENT CITIES THAT THEY CONTACTED.
HOWEVER, BACK TO COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL'S POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT EMAIL REALLY WENT RIGHT? OR I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT TIME, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, THEY CALLED ME VERSUS THEY CALLED A STAFF MEMBER, ET CETERA.
SO I DO THINK THAT WHEN WE ASK SAUCE FOR THE SAME THING, IF WE'RE FIXING THE C P S ONE IN R F I 24 AND 11, THAT WE MAYBE USE THE EXACT SAME FORMAT, UM, WHEN WE REQUESTED A SAW.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WHEN WE REQUESTED OF THE, THE E O C EVENTUALLY.
BUT I THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL, AND THANK YOU.
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OKAY.SO YES, THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF HOW THEY COMMUNICATED WITH SUBURBAN CITIES WITH, AND THEN THERE'S A GROUP LIKE CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
IF, IF WE COULD HAVE A COPY OF THOSE COMMUNICATIONS AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE TREMENDOUSLY, UH, HELPFUL.
AND IN SOME OF THEM THE TEXT IS INCLUDED IN THE TABLE, SO THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
SO THAT, THAT'S ALSO HOW WE CAN SEE WHERE, WHERE IT WENT.
UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, A COUNCIL MEMBER AND A COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE GETS A LOT OF EMAIL A LOT.
AND, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A WAY TO ENSURE THAT IF SOMETHING IS, UH, AN EMERGENCY, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY IT WHEN, WHEN IT COMES IN.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER REQUEST, UH, THAT THAT WASN'T RESPONDED TO WAS WHAT, WHAT COMMUNICATION PROCEDURES ARE IN PLACE WITH THE E O C.
THERE WAS A REFERENCE MADE TO, WE HAVE PROCEDURES IN PLACE, AND OUR POINT OF CONTACT IS PATRICK ZEPEDA.
WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE IS WHAT ARE THOSE PROCEDURES THAT ARE IN PLACE? SO WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SEE A COPY OF THAT DOCUMENT.
LET'S, UH, I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT.
ARE YOU, IS THAT YOUR POINTS? YES.
UH, SO OUT OF THAT, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE A A VERY IMPORTANT FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO DRAFT FOR THEM BEFORE WE LEAVE, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
ONE MORE THING THAT I WANNA ADD IS THE, THE SUBSTANCE OF THE COMMUNICATION, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IN, IN SOME CASES, IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE, CHECK THE BOX WE EMAILED, BUT THERE WASN'T DIFFERENT MESSAGING, RIGHT.
OR THERE WASN'T SPECIFIC MESSAGING THAT KIND OF ALERTED US AS TO, UM, I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE, BE SAFE OUT THERE, OR IT WAS THE, THE ONE CALL THAT I DID GET WAS, OH, IS YOUR POWER ON OR ARE YOU GOOD? AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, NO, IT'S NOT.
AND IT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S, BUT IT WASN'T LIKE, HEY, WE'RE DOING X, Y, AND Z.
SO IT CAN'T JUST BE A CALL TO CHECK THE BOX AND SAY, I CALLED ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO I'LL, UM, I'LL ADD ON TO THAT.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY DETERMINE WHEN WE GO THROUGH.
UM, BUT IF THAT'S THE CALL THEY MADE, THAT'S THE CALL THEY MADE, RIGHT? WHAT WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT IS, IS THE RECORD OF, OF WHAT HAPPENED.
UM, AND I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL IN GOING THROUGH THE RECORD OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT JUST WHO WAS CONTACTED, WHAT EMAIL ADDRESS WAS CONTACTED, BUT WHO WAS THE INDIVIDUAL ON THE SIDE OF C P SS, OR WHAT WAS THE, MAYBE IF WE DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE PERSON, WHAT WAS THE TITLE AND WHERE IT CAME FROM? BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A NAME I DON'T RECOGNIZE FROM C P S, I MAY NOT OPEN THAT EMAIL.
LIKE WE ALL TRIAGE OUR EMAIL, RIGHT? SO I MAY NOT OPEN THAT EMAIL RIGHT AWAY.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO KNOW THAT IN SOME CASES THERE IS SPECIFIC REFERENCE MADE TO, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER OF, I DON'T KNOW, CHAU PARK OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE JUST AS SPECIFIC WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE C P S STAFF AND WHO MADE THAT CONTACT COMMENTS AROUND THE GROUP.
I'LL HAVE SOME, BUT I, I'LL PUT THEM IN THE CONTEXT OF MY COMMENTS.
OKAY, ANA, IN TERMS OF, OF THE COMMUNICATION, I THINK THAT WAS, THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE THE BIG POINTS.
AND, UM, I, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THE DEMAND RESPONSE.
AND, AND IT, WE'VE GOTTA GET, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S COMPLEX, IT'S A LOT OF DATA, BUT JUST WE, WE'VE GOTTA KIND OF PUSH DOWN ON THIS.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON, UH, C P S, THEN UM, HEAD, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND YOUR GROUP, UH, ON COSA.
MAY I, MAY I ASK THIS? OH, I'M SORRY, BEN.
SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL RESPONSES FROM C P SS THIS WEEK.
UH, IT WAS NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER SEVEN, AND NUMBER 20.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE US TO POST TO THE WEBSITE FROM THOSE THREE RESPONSES? UM, THE, UH, OKAY, WELL, SEVEN, SEVEN IS, IS, IS FINE.
IT'S JUST SAYING, UH, THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT WE RECEIVED, AND THESE WERE OUR DEMAND PROJECTIONS FOR OUR USE.
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AT IT, I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT, IT, IT CAN BE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE.UM, AND I COULDN'T, I, I READ IT AND I WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON.
SO THAT'S THE REASON I SAY IT'S COMPLETED.
NUMBER FOUR, UH, WE, WE'VE GOT, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THIS TOO IF SHE WANTS TO, BUT WE, WE'VE REALLY GOT, AND I PROBABLY ASKED THE QUESTIONS SO THAT I COULD MAKE SURE I WAS GETTING THE RIGHT DATA INSTEAD OF ASKING IN A WAY THAT I GOT DATA THAT TIED TOGETHER.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS LOOK AT, THIS IS WHAT YOU GENERATED.
UH, THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE FORCED TO SELL TO ERCOT OR TO BUY FROM ERCOT, AND THIS THEN SHOULD EQUAL WHAT OUR, OUR USE WAS DURING THAT TIME.
OKAY? NOW, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE IN THAT IF YOU LOOK HISTORICALLY, THEY DON'T HAVE INCLUDED, UH, SOME, SOME SMALL WHOLESALE SALES, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT NOISE GETS VERY MUCH.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, UM, AND, AND IT GOES BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTIONS IS HOW DID THE PLANTS OPERATE? OKAY.
AND IF THEY DIDN'T OPERATE, WHY DIDN'T THEY OPERATE OKAY? OR IF THE PLANTS WERE NOT EVEN PLANNED TO OPERATE AND THEY WERE DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE AND WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT FIRST PIECE AS TO WHAT WAS THE GENERATION REALLY DURING THE EVENT.
WE HAVE THE HISTORY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE EVENT.
SO WE STILL HAVE TO PULL THAT, THOSE TWO OR THREE REQUESTS TOGETHER INTO ONE, UH, CONSISTENT, UH, SUPPLY AND DEMAND, UH, PICTURE.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THERE'S ANY REASON NOT TO POST THIS NOW, BEN, IT'S JUST WHEN YOU SAY COMPLETE THE ANSWER'S COMPLETE, IS OUR ANALYSIS COMPLETE? NO, IT'S NOT.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO ASK, GO BACK AND ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
SO WE POST FOUR, BUT I WANT TO DEFER TO ANNA TWO BEFORE WE SAY THAT.
SO FOUR, SEVEN, THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, R F I NUMBER, SORRY, NUMBER 20 ALSO CAME IN.
I, UH, REED, WHILE, WHILE YOU'RE FINDING THAT I'M, I'M OKAY POSTING ANYTHING AS AN INITIAL RESPONSE RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD A, A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO, TO THINK THEM THROUGH, BUT THERE'S NO REASON TO WITHHOLD THEM AS LONG AS THEY'RE LABELED AS AN INITIAL RESPONSE.
IT, IT'S, IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE GOT THE ENDS, WE GOT THE PRODUCTION, WE GOT THE ENDS IN THE OUTS.
BUT, BUT WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T, AGAIN, WHEN WE START PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER TO SEE IF THEY KIND OF SYNC UP, WE MIGHT SEE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T SINK AND 20 ON.
UH, NO, I THINK THAT ANSWERS IT FOR, FOR ME.
OF COURSE, THAT'S JUST A HOT BUTTON ISSUE.
SO 20 FROM BOTH Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVES IS COMPLETE.
WE CAN POST THAT ONE AS COMPLETE.
WELL, THEIR ANSWER WAS IT DIDN'T HELP 'EM.
AND THEY DIDN'T, COULDN'T GENERATE ANYMORE.
I MEAN, I CAN'T, AND CHAIR, WE DID RECEIVE ONE OTHER ONE THIS MORNING.
OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, TO SEE THAT.
I HAVEN'T POSTED, I JUST GOT IT THIS MORNING.
BUT WE DID GET R F I NUMBER 21, WHICH IS, UM, IF ALEX, I CAN JUST READ IT REAL QUICK, BUT ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING THE PRICE OF POWER ON FEBRUARY 15TH TO $9,000 PER MEGAWATT HOUR, AND IGNORING FREE MARKET ENERGY PRICES ACROSS THE SYSTEM AS LOW AS $1,200 PER MEGAWATT HOUR EARLIER IN THE DAY.
DID ERCOT SEND THEM MANIPULATED MARKET SIGNAL TO THE NATURAL GAS MARKET, WHICH PREVENTED C P SS ENERGY FROM ACQUIRING NATURAL GAS SUPPLIES AT TRUE MARKET PRICES? WE DID GET THAT THIS MORNING, AND WE WILL POST IT, UH, UH, LATER THIS MORNING FOR Y'ALL'S REVIEW, YES OR NO? WHAT WAS THE ANSWER? I ACTUALLY, I SAW IT COME IN.
I HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
WE'RE DOING THIS IN REAL TIME, FOLKS, SO LET'S MOVE ON.
ANYTHING ELSE? JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE, WE'RE FINISHED.
UH, WE'LL PASS IT OVER TO YOU, ED.
UM, WHERE WE ARE WITH RESPECT TO COSA IS WE RECEIVED THE RESPONSES FROM CSA, UH, ABOUT MIDWEEK.
THEY RESPONDED TO ALL OF THE QUESTIONS WITH A ONE EXCEPTION.
SO WE HAVE ONE, UH, THAT'S STILL BEING ANSWERED, BUT WE GOT THE INITIAL RESPONSES TO ALL OF THEM.
WE HAVE EACH GONE THROUGH INDIVIDUALLY THE QUESTIONS AND MADE SOME ASSESSMENT.
WE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO GET TOGETHER YET AND COMPARE OUR NOTES.
SO WE WILL DO THAT THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO SHARE WITH THE COMMITTEE THOSE THAT WE THINK ARE COMPLETE, THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE THINK WE HAVE A COMPLETE ANSWER TO, AND THOSE THAT WE THINK ARE STILL PENDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I, AND WE MAY HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SORT OF WORK THAT OUT, UH, AND THEN LOOK AT, LOOK TO THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE TO,
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UM, SEE IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED.WHAT WE, WHAT WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO DO THIS WEEK IS TO START DOWN THE ROAD OF SORT OF ASKING, SO WHAT, SO WE, WE'VE ASKED FOR A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY SAY, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WANT TO THANK AND COMMEND THE CITY FOR, UH, I THINK, UM, A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB OF ASK, OF ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT WE ASK, AND DOING IT IN A WAY, IN A FORMAT THAT I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO, UH, HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY.
UH, AND SO AT LEAST, AND I'LL LET MY OTHER COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT.
I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT IN MY JUDGMENT, I, I WAS VERY, UM, PLEASED WITH WHAT WE GOT BACK FROM THE CITY AND HELPED ME TO START TO PUT TOGETHER A PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED, WHY, AND IMPORTANTLY, AS A COMMUNITY, WHAT SORTS OF THINGS SHOULD WE START TO LOOK AT TO THE FUTURE TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF, UH, PUT OURSELVES IN A BETTER POSITION.
I I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, AT LEAST ONE MAN'S VIEW, IT IS THAT AS WE START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DISCOVERING AS A COMMUNITY THAT YOU, WE, WE SHOULD SORT OF STOP AT THE WHAT VERSUS THE HOW, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND LET THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE, THESE FUNCTIONS FIGURE OUT HOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE IDENTIFY AREAS THAT WE THINK WE'RE CLEARLY, UM, INADEQUATELY, SORT OF EXECUTED, RESOURCED, ET CETERA, UH, AND POINT THOSE OUT.
AND THEN THOSE SHOULD GO TO THE RELEVANT SORT OF AGENCIES AND ORGANIZATIONS TO, TO FIGURE OUT WITH ALL OF THEIR DEEP EXPERTISE, WHAT'S THE BEST SORT OF RESOLUTION TO, TO THE ISSUE.
UM, SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS SORT OF THE BEGINNING OF A, UM, UH, SORT OF A FORMAT TO PICK OUT SOME OF THE BIG ISSUES, UH, THAT WE THINK ARE OUT THERE, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
MOST OF THIS, QUITE FRANKLY, CAME FROM CSA THEMSELVES AS THEY'VE SORT OF GONE THROUGH THEIR OWN LESSONS LEARNED PROCESS, UM, AND WE SORT OF CROSS-CHECK WHAT THEY TOOK FROM LESSONS LEARNED AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION, AND IT LOOKED PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE.
THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONS IN THERE, UH, THAT WE PUT IN THERE, AND I THINK THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BUILD ON THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IF WE THINK THAT'S SORT OF A USEFUL FRAMEWORK TO, TO LOOK AT AT, AT THE QUESTION.
SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER SORT OF QUESTION WE HAVE FOR THE LARGER GROUP HERE, IS, IS THIS FORMAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IS, IS USEFUL TO YOU UNDERSTANDING, HELPING YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY, AND, AND WHAT, WHAT WE MIGHT DO MOVING FORWARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE USEFUL TO THE COMMUNITY? AND IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANT TO TAKE ACROSS ALL OF THE AREAS, OR IT SORT OF GETS TO THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S SORT OF THE FINAL PRODUCT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO GO TO AND GET, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC ANSWERS TO VERY DETAILED QUESTIONS.
AND THEN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, UH, ABOVE THAT WE SORT OF SAY, HERE ARE SORT OF THE MAJOR ISSUES THAT CAME OUT AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT, LET ME JUST GO THROUGH THIS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU START, I THINK, UPSTREAM AS FAR AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS CASCADE.
UH, AND IF, YOU KNOW, THE UPSTREAM ISSUE DIDN'T HAPPEN, THEN THE DOWNSTREAM ISSUES, UH, WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM.
AND SO REALLY UPSTREAM ABOUT AS FAR AS YOU'RE GOING TO GO IS HOW WAS THE COMMUNITY SORT OF PREPARING TO MITIGATE AN INCIDENT LIKE THIS? AND THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT WE WEREN'T RIGHT, THAT WE HAD A HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL OF THE PREPARATION THAT WE WOULD DO AS A COMMUNITY FOR VARIOUS CONTINGENCIES.
THIS IS ONE THAT WAS OUTSIDE THE LIMITS OF WHAT WE WERE PLANNING FOR, PREPARING FOR AS A COMMUNITY.
AND THAT, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE HAD A NUMBER OF DOWNSTREAM ISSUES THAT WE HAD TO CONTEND WITH.
SO THE PLAN, UM, NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
THAT'S THAT FIRST BULLET THERE, RIGHT? UH, THERE, THERE'S AN ASSESSMENT THAT GOES IN THE PLAN.
REASONABLE PEOPLE MADE REASONABLE DECISIONS BASED ON THE RISK OF THIS EVENT AND THE HISTORY.
UH, WE'RE NOT SORT OF, WE'RE NOT SECOND GUESSING THAT, BUT NOW THAT WE'VE HAD ONE
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH HOW WE RESOURCE.
IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW WE TRAIN.
IT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS THAT
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WILL HELP US BE BETTER PREPARED IN THE FUTURE.SO THAT FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS UPDATE THE PLAN.
UH, MOREOVER, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A, A BUN A NUMBER OF ISSUES HERE THAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD ME SORT OF TALK ABOUT FOG AND FRICTION BEFORE THAT, THAT IF WE PREPARE BETTER, WE WILL GET RID OF A LOT OF THE FRICTION, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT OCCURRED AS WE TRIED TO MANAGE THE SITUATION.
SO THINGS LIKE BACKUP CELL PHONES, UM, BACKUP TO CELL PHONES, RIGHT? YOU, YOU FIND OUT WHEN YOU LOSE THE POWER AND THE TOWERS GO DOWN, WELL, NOW YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOUR FIRST LINE OF COMMUNICATION IS DOWN AND, AND YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD BACKUP, RIGHT? FRICTION, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN'T TALK TO PEOPLE.
AND NOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GEARS GET, GET, GET, UH, GET, UM, GET SAND IN THEM IF YOU WILL, PRIORITIZING PURCHASE OF GENERATORS TO ENSURE KEY FA CITY FACILITIES HAVE THE POWER THAT THEY NEED.
SO SOME OF THEM DID, THE E O C HAS IT, UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER FACILITIES, BUT THERE WERE OTHER FACILITIES THAT THEY, UH, FOUND NEEDED THE POWER DIDN'T HAVE IT.
AND SO YOU, YOU, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT INVESTING IN ADDITIONAL GENERATORS FOR, FOR THOSE FACILITIES.
UM, AGAIN, UH, WE ASKED THE QUESTION, DID WE HAVE ENOUGH SORT OF, UH, SNOW AND ICE REMOVAL CAPABILITY? THE ANSWER WAS NO.
UM, WE, WE HAVE IT TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.
WHEN IT GETS BEYOND THAT LEVEL, THEN WE, WE ARE STRETCHED, RIGHT? AND KUDOS TO OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WHO WORKED OVERTIME, UM, WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY HAD AND, AND THE MANNING THAT THEY HAD.
BUT, BUT THAT WE, IT EXCEEDED OUR CAPACITY.
AND SO, AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE AS A COMMUNITY WANT TO INVEST MORE IN THOSE, IN THOSE, UM, IN THOSE, UH, CAPABILITIES FOR AN EVENT LIKE THIS.
KEY FACILITIES, UM, NEED TO HAVE FOOD, WATER, UH, AVAILABLE IN, IN, IN A DIFFERENT FASHION THAN WE HAD HERE.
SO WE FOUND THAT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, WE HAD ALREADY EATEN INTO MANY OF THE SUPPLIES THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE AVAILABLE.
UH, AND AS WE WENT TO SORT OF SECOND AND THIRD SOURCES FOR THEM BECAUSE OF SNOW AND ICE ON THE ROADS, ET CETERA, IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THOSE HERE.
AND SO OUR STOCKPILE NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED TO, TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN MORE, UM, BE MORE RESPONSIVE TO THOSE NEEDS IN, IN, IN A CONTINGENCY LIKE THIS.
UM, EMERGENCY DEVELOP A PLAN FOR EMERGENCY, UH, UH, AND ESSENTIAL EMPLOYEES, UH, REQUIRED TO WORK ON SITE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THIS HAS TO DO WITH A COUPLE OF THESE WHERE JUST, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE HOUSING FOR THEM THAT'S NEAR, UH, LODGING, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO MAKE THIS, UH, WHEN YOU'RE IN AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF OPERATING IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TRAVELING BACK AND FORTH, THINK THROUGH THAT AND HAVE A BETTER CONTINGENCY PLAN, UH, TO MAKE THAT WORK, UH, HOTLINE FOR FAMILIES, UH, OF, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT SEEMS A MINOR THING UNLESS IT'S YOU
SO SOMETHING THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, UH, IN THIS TYPE OF A CONTINGENCY.
UM, AGAIN, UH, THIS ONE'S SORT OF SELF-EVIDENT, BUT, BUT IT, IT, IT ENDED UP CAUSING FRICTION IN THE SYSTEM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR THIS TYPE OF AN INCIDENT WHERE YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO WORK REMOTELY DUE TO P POWER OUTAGES.
AND EVEN THOUGH, UM, FROM AN E O C PERSPECTIVE, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THEY WEREN'T IMPACTED BY THE PEOPLE WHO WERE RE WORKING REMOTELY, WHO WERE E R C MEMBERS.
THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE, I THINK, THROUGHOUT THE CITY GOVERNMENT WHO WERE MORE CHALLENGED, UH, WITH, WITH CRITICAL FUNCTIONS AND NEED TO SORT OF WORK THROUGH THAT, UH, PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT OTHERS ARE ABLE TO WORK REMOTELY, UM, AND EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY WHEN WE HAVE POWER ALLERGIES.
UM, AND THEN, UH, FINALLY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE MITIGATION PLAN, UH, LOOKING AT THE WIRELESS ALERT, SYS ALERT SYSTEM THAT GOES OUT, UM, DID IT, DID IT GO OUT FREQUENTLY ENOUGH, UH, TO MEET THE NEED OF, OF, UH, COMMUNICATING TO THE CITIZENS AND, AND LOOKING AT THAT PROCESS AND, AND ADJUSTING THAT, UH, AS PART OF THE MITIGATION, UH, STRATEGY AND THE PLAN? UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO AFTER, UH, YOU GET THROUGH THE PLAN, NOW WE'RE INTO, AGAIN, SORT OF PREPARATION, AND THIS IS OUTLINED IN THE PLAN AGAIN.
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AND SO I THINK AS THEY, AS THEY SORT OF UPDATE THE PLAN FOR THIS TYPE OF A CONTINGENCY, THERE IS AN, AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND REALIZATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SPECIFIC TRAINING, PLANNING, AND EXERCISING FOR THIS TYPE OF A, OF A SCENARIO.THEY TRAIN, THEY PLAN, WE ASK THEM FOR THEIR TRAINING PLAN, WE ASK THEM FOR THEIR PREPARATION PLAN.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEY DO, UH, FOR EVERY COLD WEATHER SEASON TO PREPARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE WILL TAKE CARE OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SORT OF LEVEL ONE, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE A LEVEL ONE ISSUE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT SNOWS OR IT GETS COLD OVERNIGHT TO 20 DEGREES, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS AND IT ALMOST BECOMES ROUTINE.
AND WE GOT HIT BY SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY UNT ROUTINE, AND THE PREPARATIONS THAT WE DID AND HAD, WERE INADEQUATE, RIGHT? UH, AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE A, A MORE SPECIFIC TRAINING, UH, AND PREPARATION PLAN FOR THIS TYPE OF A CONTINGENCY.
UM, AND, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SECOND BULLET, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, CITYWIDE AND CROSS-DISCIPLINARY TRAINING, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF A CONTINGENCY.
AND THEN, UM, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF EXERCISING FOR THE, THE CITY, UH, OFFICIALS.
AND IMPORTANTLY, 'CAUSE THIS WILL COME UP AGAIN LATER, INCLUDING THE UTILITIES IN THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST.
AND, AND THERE WERE CLEAR DISCONNECTS WITH OUR TWO UTILITIES SAWS AND, AND C P S IN FULLY AND, UH, AND EFFECTIVELY INCORPORATING THEM INTO THIS COMMAND AND CONTROL AND COORDINATION PROCESS THAT THE E O C IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
AND, AND THAT, THAT BROKE DOWN EARLY.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE SORT OF UPSTREAM ISSUES THAT CAUSED A LOT OF PROBLEMS DOWNSTREAM.
UM, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.
UM, SO, UH, A THIRD ISSUE IS, UH, WHEN WHAT WAS INITIALLY A WEATHER EVENT GOT COLD, UM, IT GOT COLD FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, AND THEN WE HAD SNOW AND ICE ON TOP OF THAT WHEN THAT THEN BECAME AN ENERGY AND A WATER CRISIS.
UH, AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS JUST ALLUDING TO, THE, THE COORDINATION WITH OUR TWO UTILITIES WASN'T EFFECTIVE, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND THAT LED TO LOTS OF PROBLEMS, UH, LOT, LOTS OF ISSUES THERE.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING THIS THERE EMERGENCY THAT WERE INEVITABLE GIVEN THE PREPARATION THAT WE DID THERE, THERE WAS NOTHING ANYONE WAS GOING TO DO AT THAT POINT BECAUSE WE HADN'T, YOU KNOW, DONE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN REQUIRED TO PREVENT THEM.
AND NOBODY WAS GOING TO, TO, TO SORT OF, YOU COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T RECOVER FROM SOME OF THESE THINGS.
BUT THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE SELF-INFLICTED, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEPLOY RESOURCES IN CERTAIN WAYS DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEEDED IN REAL TIME TO DEPLOY THOSE RESOURCES.
AND THEREFORE, PEOPLE, UH, DID WITHOUT THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, UH, WATER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T GET TO, UH, UH, UH, SHELTER WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY, I MEAN, TO ME, THIS IS ONE OF THE, THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAYS AS A COMMUNITY FROM THIS WHOLE INCIDENT IS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT CONNECTION COORDINATION BETWEEN, UM, UH, THE OPERATORS, THE FIELD OPERATION, IF YOU WILL, POWER WATER, AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THE OTHER RESOURCES THAT DEPENDED ON THOSE.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE THE, THE IMPACTS OF THOSE.
AND SO WE WERE SORT OF DISCONNECTED IN, IN BOTH OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND IN OUR EXECUTION OF DEPLOYING RESOURCES TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO IMPORTANTLY, UM, THIS IS A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT BRINGS OUR TWO UTILITIES MORE FULLY INTO THAT PROCESS OF DEVELOPING SHARED SITUATIONAL AWARENESS SO THAT DECISION MAKERS CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS.
AND SO A RECOMMENDATION IS, AND, AND, UH, I'D ALMOST START, UM, WELL, WE'LL START AT THE TOP, BUT, UH, IT, AND WE SHOULD VER WE SHOULD SORT OF VALIDATE THIS WITH THE C P SS GROUP.
SO THIS IS ONE PERSPECTIVE OF IT, BUT ONE PERSPECTIVE IS, IS THAT THE, THE LOAD SHARING DECISIONS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WERE MADE ESSENTIALLY INSIDE C P S, IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME HOW MUCH CONTROL THEY HAD OVER IT, YOU KNOW, AT DIFFERENT STAGES HERE WHEN THEY WERE ON THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM, ET CETERA.
BUT NONETHELESS, UM, THOSE DECISIONS, UH, IN IN MANY CASES WERE NOT COMMUNICATED TO
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THE PEOPLE INSIDE COSA WHO WERE TRYING TO DEPLOY RESOURCES TO PEOPLE WHO WERE OUT OF POWER OR OUT OF WATER, UM, IN, IN A TIME ENOUGH FOR THEM TO BE MOST EFFECTIVE IN, IN DEPLOYING THOSE RESOURCES.AND IF WE HAD HAD, UH, A, A SORT OF BETTER WORKING RELATIONSHIP, UM, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT TERM, BUT IF THERE HAD BEEN A BETTER SORT OF ARCHITECTURE WITHIN THE E O C TO CONNECT C P S AND SAWS, WHICH IS THE NEXT STEP DOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST DAYS OF THIS, THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT, UH, A LOT OF THIS FOG THAT EXISTED, UH, WOULD'VE, WOULD'VE BEEN LIFTED AND PEOPLE COULD HAVE MADE, YOU KNOW, BETTER DECISIONS.
UH, AND, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK AN AREA THAT IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME THAT WE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO SORT OF, UH, DIG INTO FURTHER IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF WHAT THE ACTUAL AUTHORITATIVE RELATIONSHIP IS BETWEEN COSA, THE MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE UTILITIES, RIGHT? DO, DO THEY HAVE DIRECTIVE AUTHORITY TO SAY, SEND A PERSON HERE NOW
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE EXPECT THAT THE E O C HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR COMMANDING, CONTROLLING AN EMERGENCY.
DO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT? UH, THAT, THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR TO ME.
AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY NEED A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO, TO, TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO CALL ON ANDY TO ADDRESS THAT.
'CAUSE WE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, UH, YESTERDAY, AND ANDY, CAN YOU HELP CLEAR THAT UP ABOUT THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENTS WITH SAS AND C P S? UH, I CAN COUNCILMAN, UH, AND, AND I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU AGAIN ANOTHER ANSWER UNDER THE EMERGENCY SITUATION.
'CAUSE I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS THAT QUICKER THAN THE, THE MORE ORGANIZATIONAL ONE.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UNDER THEIR FORMATION DOCUMENTS, BOTH SAS AND C P S, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE OWNED BY THE CITY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UH, BOARD OF TRUSTEES OR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, UH, THEY'RE INDEPENDENT.
SO THEY REPORT, UH, THE CEOS OF BOTH REPORT UP THROUGH THOSE, UH, TRUSTEES AND CHAIRS.
UM, SO, UH, THEY ARE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY.
ERIC DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DIRECT PAULA TO DO SOMETHING OR ANY OF PAULA'S PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING.
HE DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE AUTHORITY TO TELL ANYBODY FROM SAS TO DO SOMETHING, UH, AS THE ORGANIZATIONS ARE SET UP CURRENTLY.
UM, BUT COUNCILMAN IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, WE MAY, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT TO WHETHER, UH, COMMAND AND CONTROL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS NEEDED DURING AN EMERGENCY, WE CAN CHANGE THAT.
UH, I THINK THAT IS LOWER HANGING FRUIT THAN ADDRESSING THE MORE STRUCTURAL, UH, CHAIN OF COMMAND, SO TO SPEAK, THAT WE, WE OPERATE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND, UH, SEE IF, BECAUSE THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE WHEELS KIND OF FELL OFF DURING THIS WHOLE THING, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, THAT STRUCTURE AND AUTHORITY TO DIRECT OR GET INFORMATION, THAT KIND OF THING FROM THAT.
SO WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL PER PERSPECTIVE.
AND, AND ANNA, A, ANNA AND I WILL TOO, FROM C P S.
SO IT'S, SO I THINK THIS IS, UH, ED, IT'S MAKING AN EXCELLENT POINT HERE.
HIS GROUP IS, AND THIS IS WHERE, THIS IS THE REASON WE'RE SITTING IN THE SAME ROOM.
SO WE CAN HEAR THIS AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE IT CONNECTS.
ANY OTHER THING ON THAT? CLAY? GO AHEAD, ED.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THESE, THESE THREE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THAT, THAT, UM, BUT OUR, OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES, UH, NEED TO BE CONNECTED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, UM, TO, TO THE, UH, COMMAND AND CONTROL AND COORDINATION STRUCTURE TO ACHIEVE A BETTER DEGREE OF COORDINATION AND COMMAND AND CONTROL.
NOW, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO TRY AGAIN TO SAY WHAT THAT NEEDS TO BE.
BUT, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROCESS TO GET, GET TO A BETTER ANSWER ON THAT, IN MY JUDGMENT.
UM, NEXT, THE, UH, ALL SORT OF ENCOMPASSING ISSUE OF
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COMMUNICATION, UM, AND WHAT THE, THE, THE ISSUE IS HERE IS THAT THE COMMUNICATION FROM THE E O C TO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS COMMUNICATION FROM C P SS.THERE WAS COMMUNICATION FROM SAS, THERE WAS COMMUNICATION FROM THE E O C, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
IT WAS INSUFFICIENT, RIGHT? TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY INFORMED IN A REALTIME BASIS OF, OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT'S, I KNOW IT'S ALMOST A BINDING FLASH OF THE OBVIOUS, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS WHY, RIGHT? UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
A AND IT, THE WHY I THINK IN ONE, IN ONE SORT OF SENTENCE WOULD BE THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING APPARATUS THAT'S SET UP TO BE ACTIVATED IN AN EMERGENCY CALLED THE JOINT INFORMATION CENTER, OR THE G I S DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU READ, WHICH DOCUMENT YOU READ IT IN.
BUT IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING WITH THE SAME FUNCTION.
AND IT IS DESIGNED TO BE A ONE-STOP SHOP FOR INFORMATION DURING A CONTINGENCY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE MIXED MESSAGING COMING FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES SO THAT THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY ISN'T CONFUSED, SO THAT YOU CAN CON SORT OF COMPARE WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S FACT AND WHAT'S NOT, AND, AND BE CONSISTENT AND GIVE SOME CONFIDENCE IN WHAT YOU'RE COMMUNICATING.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN A NON-EMERGENCY SITUATION, IT'S FINE FOR, YOU KNOW, C P S TO HAVE THEIR OWN COMMUNICATIONS.
IT'S FINE FOR SAWS TO HAVE THEIR OWN COMMUNICATIONS, IT'S FINE FOR THE CITY, BUT WHEN YOU GO INTO AN EMERGENCY, YOU REALLY NEED ONE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND KNOW THAT THAT'S VETTED AUTHORITATIVE INFORMATION.
AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A JOINT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, CENTER.
AND, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, IT DIDN'T FUNCTION THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE IN THAT YOU HAD MULTIPLE CENTERS OF INFORMATION GOING OUT AND IN THE GIST, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION YOU NEEDED FOR THEM TO BE ACCURATE AND AUTHORITATIVE AND TIMELY WITH WHAT THEY PUT OUT.
SO THERE ARE A SERIES O OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVING THAT PROCESS IN THE FUTURE TO, AND INCLUDE MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS ARE COMMUNICATING THROUGH THE JIC, MAKING SURE THAT C P S AND SAWS ARE, ARE AT LEAST COORDINATING THEIR COMMUNICATIONS THROUGH THIS JIC.
SO IT'S FINE FOR C P SS TO PUT INFORMATION OUT, BUT IT SHOULD GO THROUGH THE JIC, THIS JIC PROCESS FIRST, SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND THEY'RE NOT SURPRISED WHEN THEY HEAR OR SEE OR, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS WE EVER DO, UH, YOU KNOW, ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS IS COMMUNICATION, AND IT BECOMES 10 TIMES HARDER AND MORE IMPORTANT IN A CRISIS.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT WORKING, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME TO GET THIS COMMUNICATION ISSUE RIGHT, YOU ARE GONNA BE BEHIND THE POWER CURVE THE WHOLE TIME.
UM, AND, AND, AND WE WERE BEHIND THE POWER CURVE IS A COMMUNITY THE WHOLE TIME WITH RESPECT TO COMMUNICATION.
SO, AND THAT PART OF THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE STRUCTURE, UH, OF, OF THE JIC AND WHO WAS THERE, UH, REPRESENTING THE VARIOUS KEY COMPONENTS THAT NEEDED TO BE REPRESENTED THERE.
SO SAWS AND C P S NEED NEED TO SORT OF BE INCORPORATED IN A MORE, UH, FULLY AND FUNCTIONAL WAY.
DAILY BRIEFINGS, MEDIA BRIEFINGS, THAT'S SORT OF A SEPARATE RELATED, UH, SUBJECT.
UM, THEY NEED TO BE COORDINATED BETWEEN UTILITIES, THE, THE COUNCIL, UH, MEMBERS AND OR COUNTY OFFICIALS AND, AND THE CITY.
UM, AND, AND THAT DIDN'T WORK AS WELL AS, AS IT COULD HAVE OR SHOULD HAVE.
UH, THE CITY 3 1 1 AND THE SAWS AND C P S CUSTOMER CALL CENTERS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY, THEY FUNCTIONED AND THEY DID A, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DID A, A REASONABLE JOB, BUT, UH, THEY COULD BE BETTER.
AND, AND THEY WERE IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, AREAS WHERE THEY CAN BE BETTER.
AND SO THEY NEED TO REVIEW THEIR PROCESSES AND UP THEIR GAME FOR THE, THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE THIS, UH, IN ADDITION.
SO, UH, APPARENTLY AGAIN, SORT OF READING WHAT THE CITY HAS TOLD US THERE, UH, THERE WERE, UH, DAILY SORT OF, UH, COMMUNICATIONS END OF DAY, UH, FROM THE CITY MANAGER TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE, YOU CAN VERIFY THAT OR NOT, BUT, BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS.
UM, AND THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP TEAM, WHICH APPARENTLY HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, ASSIGNED CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO DO, UH, SORT OF MORE REAL-TIME COMMUNICATION, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE IN MANY CASES, COMMUNICATING TO THE PUBLIC.
AND AS I THINK ASANA SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GONNA GET SORT OF LOTS OF INCOMING
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KNOW, PROVIDE THE ANSWERS THAT YOU HAVE.SO AGAIN, IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST CAN'T SORT OF SAY, AND END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, UH, SORT OF DATA DUMP IS GOING TO BE ADEQUATE.
YOU, YOU REALLY HAVE TO SET UP A MORE, MUCH MORE ROBUST COMMUNICATION SYSTEM, UH, TO INCLUDE OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THAN WE HAD IN, IN THIS CONTINGENCY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THEY, THEY, UH, SHOULD WORK ON, UH, IN A RELATED WAY.
UH, DAILY EMAILS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, APPARENTLY, UH, THEY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF IN INFORMATION IS INTERESTING, DATA IS INTERESTING, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT MEAN IS REALLY MORE IMPORTANT.
AND, AND SO JUST SORT OF DUMPING INFORMATION ON SOMEONE AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DONE.
UH, WHETHER IT'S THE PUBLIC OR A, A CITY COUNCIL PERSON, IT ISN'T AS IN IT HELPFUL AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT MEAN OR, OR WHAT SHOULD YOU DO ABOUT IT, RIGHT? AND, AND SO TAKING THAT EXTRA TIME TO MAYBE PROVIDE A SUMMARY OR SUMMARIZE IT IN A WAY THAT, THAT THE INFORMATION IS ACTIONABLE, AGAIN, SELF SORT OF IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY THAT THEY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF THAT, UH, AS MOVING FORWARD AND MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, I THINK THIS MAY BE REDUNDANT HERE.
THE WIRELESS EMERGENCY ALERTS, I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT, SO I THINK THAT'S JUST A TYPO THERE TO PUT IT TWICE.
SO WE JUST TALKED ABOUT SORT OF COMMUNICATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE E O C, THEN COMMUNICATIONS WITHIN THE E O C WAS NOT AS EFFICIENT AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN, SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO, TO WORK THIS.
AND A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT RESPECT.
UM, AND, AND THIS AGAIN, SORT OF GETS TO THE UPSTREAM, UH, APPARENTLY THE, UH, THE, UM, THE, THE PEOPLE INSIDE THE E O C, ESPECIALLY IN THE EARLY DAYS, WEREN'T GETTING AS, UH, INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE ON, ON THE POWER OUTAGES.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A LOT OF SORT OF CONFUSION WITHIN C P S AS WE ARE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO UNDERSTAND IN THE EARLY DAYS ABOUT WHAT WAS WORKING AND WHAT WASN'T.
AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE COMPLETE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS OR CONTROL OVER THE SYSTEM EITHER.
UH, AND SO I THINK WE DO HAVE TO SORT OF MERGE, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY OF WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AT C P S AND WAS THERE A WAY TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY PROVIDE BETTER INFORMATION? OR DID IT JUST NOT EXIST? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT, BUT, UH, I, I THINK WE NEED TO SQUARE THE CORNER ON THAT TO, TO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION, UM, SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT STAYS IN OR NOT.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, FROM THE CSA PERSPECTIVE, THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS INFORMATION AVAILABLE THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE IN REAL TIME.
UH, AND IF THEY HAD HAD THAT, THEN IT WOULD'VE CERTAINLY, UH, HELPED THEIR INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS AND SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AND ABILITY TO, TO DO THEIR JOB.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WITH RESPECT TO SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, UM, THIS IS JUST REALLY A CRITICAL PART OF HANDLING ANY EMERGENCY OR CRISIS.
YOU, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A WAY OF RELIABLY DISPLAYING INFORMATION SO THAT ALL THE RELEVANT PEOPLE CAN SEE IT.
AND THEY'VE, UH, SORT OF SELF-IDENTIFIED THAT SOME OF THE INFORMATION COMING IN, UH, FROM THEIR OPERATIONAL TEAMS INTO LEADERSHIP WASN'T, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE BEST PICTURE OF ALL OF THAT, UH, UH, IN REAL TIME AS THEY COULD HAVE.
AND SO THEY NEED TO DO SOME WORK TO, TO DEVELOP THE, THE, THE SYSTEM THAT WILL GIVE THEM BETTER, BETTER SITUATIONAL AWARENESS NEXT.
SO THAT'S SORT OF WHERE WE ARE NOW, UM, BASED ON, ON WHAT WE'VE SORT OF HEARD.
UM, LET ME, UH, IF I CAN SORT OF PAUSE THERE FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, AND THEN YOU JUST KIND OF MANAGE THE DISCUSSION OKAY.
UH, SO ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES FIRST, UH, TO AMPLIFY THEIR SORT OF OWN VIEW OF THIS, AND THEN WE'LL SORT OF OPEN IT UP.
UM, FIRST OFF, AGAIN, I WANNA ECHO THAT.
THANK YOU, BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS, THE WAY THAT THEY WERE FRAMED AND THAT THEY WERE ASKED IN A TIMELINE CONTEXT, YOU ALL WERE VERY INFORMATIVE ABOUT SHARING THAT INFORMATION WITH US.
UH, TO ME, THE RESPONSES THAT YOU ALL GAVE, UM, WERE, IN MY OPINION, UH, LOOKING TO BE VERY SELF-CRITICAL.
SO WE DID GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WORKED WELL AND THEN THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T WORK SO WELL.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS TO THE CREDIT OF, AND MUCH AS IT IS ARTICULATED, UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD REASONABLY BE PLANNED FOR.
AND THEN WHEN YOU HIT WHAT IS AN ANOMALY, THAT MAY NOW BECOME MORE OF A NORM THAN AN ANOMALY.
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APPRECIATIVE OF THE WAY THAT YOU ALL HAVE CHOSEN TO SELF-ASSESS IN SHARING WITH US WHAT THOSE LESSONS LEARNED WERE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.BECAUSE THE WAY THAT YOU WALKED US THROUGH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THIS CENTER DOES, WHICH IS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, REALLY BEGAN TO THREAD TOGETHER FOR ME THE TIMELINE I'M ABLE TO PUT IN THE C P S INFORMATION.
I'M ABLE TO PUT IN THE SAWS INFORMATION AND SEE THAT INTERPLAY IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS GOING TO HELP US NOT ONLY UNDERSTAND INTERNALLY WITHIN THIS GROUP, BUT BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE AS WELL.
UM, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THIS SELF-ASSESSMENT THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE IN PROVIDING THESE ANSWERS IS STILL ON THE EARLY SIDE.
YOU'RE STILL PROBABLY DIGESTING SOME THINGS, BUT FOR US, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE DEFINITELY THE PRELIMINARY PART.
I THINK THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY HEARING THE ECHOES OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY CONSTITUENTS, BY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND FROM OURSELVES.
AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO ASSESS THESE RESPONSES THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US MINDFUL.
UM, AND ED SAYS IT BETTER THAN I COULD EVER, UM, ABOUT THE FRICTION AND THE FOG AND WHERE IT IS THAT THOSE THINGS BEGAN TO BECOME TRIP UP POINTS AND TRIGGERING POINTS FOR OTHER CHALLENGES.
YOU ALL HAVE STARTED TO ANSWER THE HOW, UM, WITHOUT US HAVING TO YET COME BACK TO YOU WITH OUR FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.
I THINK THAT YOU DID A, A GREAT JOB AT OF, UH, EXPLAINING WHAT, UM, THE CITY PROVIDED.
AND SO ALSO THANK YOU FOR THIS, UH, TO THE CITY.
AND I ECHO, UM, LISA'S SENTIMENT IN THAT I THINK THAT THEY DID A GREAT JOB AT SELF-ASSESSMENT.
UM, THEY, UH, UH, I THOUGHT IN THEIR RESPONSES, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, UM, PLACE ANY OF THE BLAME, BUT REALLY LEARN RIGHT, AND FIX.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT THEY, UM, UH, THEY ACCEPTED ACCOUNTABILITY FOR SOME ITEMS. AND SO I, I JUST WANNA BE UPFRONT AND SAY THAT I, I REALLY, UM, LIKE THAT.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THERE WAS, UM, THE DOCUMENT THAT, UM, ALEX, THAT YOU PREPARED, I ACTUALLY LOVED HOW IT WAS PREPARED.
YOU ALL HAD A TABLE OF CONTENT, UM, WITH CONTENTS, WITH, UM, PAGE NUMBERS, AND IT WAS THE FULL QUESTION.
SO THEN I WAS ABLE TO REFER TO THE QUESTION WITHIN THE 110 PAGES.
I ALMOST WISH THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD UPLOAD FOR EVERY OTHER, UM, ENTITY AS WELL.
JUST BECAUSE R F I 24, I'VE MEMORIZED THAT FOR C P SS, UH, BUT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW WHAT R F I 24 IS, OR R F I 11, ET CETERA.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE, UM, JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER ON THE PUBLIC IF, IF WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTS.
THE ONE WAS 110 PAGER, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE, UH, WE COULD CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF HOW WE ORGANIZE IT.
AND TO BE CLEAR FOR THE COMMITTEE, WHAT, WHAT, UH, YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THAT ALEX ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER JUST A, A SIMPLE TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR THE RFIS SO THAT THEY SIT ON TOP OF THE RFIS AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO GET THROUGH THOSE.
I THINK ON THE WEBSITE THOUGH, WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, STACK THEIR RESPONSES, SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET THEM, UH, A, UH, EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT CERTAINLY FOR YOU ALL AS A COMMITTEE, WE CAN PUT SOMETHING SIMILAR TOGETHER.
YES, I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, YOU STILL HAD R F I NUMBER IDENTIFIED LIKE NUMBER SEVEN, BUT THEN YOU ALL ACTUALLY HAD THE QUESTION AS WELL.
AND SO I THINK THAT IT'S, UM, HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT? TO, TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, I ALSO, UM, THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE, SO WE, WE LOOKED AT THE BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER, BUT I'M LOOKING NOW ALSO FOR THE REAL BEFORE, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WERE WE, UH, UPDATING THIS PLAN? WHEN WAS, UH, THE NEW PLAN GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC? WHEN WERE WE GOING TO REALIZE THAT THINGS WEREN'T DONE RIGHT? SO, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT COMES IN, BUT I'M SURE THAT WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER, RIGHT? AND SO THIS IS THE EVENT, THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE EVENT, THE BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO.
I HAD A, UM, A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER YESTERDAY, AND I JUST ASKED JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, I, UH, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE AWARE THAT THERE WAS, UH, THERE'S ACTIONS IN THERE.
I KNOW THAT THIS IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME EVENT.
BUT I GUESS THE WAY THAT I WAS APPROACHING IT, AND THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT UP THE RISK MITIGATION PLAN IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME, UM, INSTANCES THAT ARE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT HAPPENED THIS TIME AROUND
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THAT WERE DESCRIBED.I THINK IT'S PAGE 1 52 OF THE RISK MITIGATION PLAN THAT I MENTIONED HAS ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
IT TALKS ABOUT INCREASED, UM, UH, POWER OUTAGES THAT RESULT IN INCREASED COST TO US BECAUSE OF HIGHER DEMAND FOR ENERGY.
AND SO, ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT THIS IS A STANDALONE INCIDENT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE LIKE AN EXACT PREPARATION FOR, THERE WAS BITS AND PIECES THAT WE COULD HAVE MERGED.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THIS.
LIKE THIS IS, THIS IS THEIR BIBLE, BASICALLY, RIGHT? LIKE, IF THIS IS THEIR JOB, THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT LEFT AND RIGHT.
THEY NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO GO, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT SOMEBODY WHO, WHO IS IT, RIGHT? WHO IS THAT PERSON THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW IT LEFT AND RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVER, RIGHT? IN, IN POSITIONS.
AND SO FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE PERSON THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, DO THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESENTING ONCE A YEAR? WHO'S IN THERE, RIGHT? WHO'S IN THAT? UM, UH, WHO, WHO'S THAT PERSON THAT THAT WATCHES THAT MAKE SURE, RIGHT? IS IT ULTIMATELY THE DEPARTMENT? YES, PROBABLY.
BUT HOW DO WE PASS IT ON AS NEW MEMBERS COME ON? AND SO, UM, I KNOW AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL, WE HAVE RELATIVELY LOW, UM, UH, ACCESS, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN DO IT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ON THE STAFF, THERE'S A SUPPORT THERE SO THAT WHENEVER THERE'S A TRANSITION IN STAFF, SOMEBODY KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE TO LOOK.
AND THAT THIS PROBLEM HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLVED, ADDRESSED, AND I GUESS I BASE IT ON, UM, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, VACCINES.
WE DIDN'T START FROM SCRATCH ON CREATING A VACCINE.
WE LOOK TO SEE WHAT VACCINE ADDRESSED SOMETHING SIMILAR, AND THEN WE REPLICATED COMPONENTS OF THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED AS WELL WITH THIS.
SO I THINK THAT THERE'S JUST STILL A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, UM, TO LEARN FROM THIS.
BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT, AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT BEING IN THIS GROUP BECAUSE YES, WE'RE DOING THE, THE BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S THAT, UH, THAT AFTER, RIGHT, THAT THE, WHAT HAPPENS.
AND SO, UM, WE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LEARN YES, FROM WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT NOW, BUT THEN ALSO TO SEE, UM, THE PREPARATION LEADING UP TO EVEN THE, THE, THE FEW DAYS BEFORE, RIGHT? SO LAST YEAR, WHEN WAS THIS LAST UPDATED? THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD'VE CRITICIZED ABOUT THE RESPONSES, IS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT DATES THE TRAININGS WERE HELD.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN THESE TABLETOP EXERCISES WERE, UM, UH, DELIVERED, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHO PARTICIPATED IN THESE EXERCISES, RIGHT? AND SO I'D, I'D ASSUME THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER DID, BUT THAT'S MAKING AN ASSUMPTION.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY PARTICIPATED IN SOME SORT OF A REVIEW, UM, AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I FELT THAT, THAT WAS MISSING SO FAR.
BUT, UM, I'M, I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER DISCUSS THIS.
I THINK THAT YOU DID A, A WONDERFUL JOB, AND THANK YOU, LISA.
AND, UH, AND, AND THANK YOU REID, FOR PUTTING ME ON THIS TEAM.
JUST, UH, THANK YOU, UH, BOTH, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK RESPONSES BEFORE OPENING IT UP TO OTHER COMMENTS FROM OUR COLLEAGUES HERE.
UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE THERE, THERE IS AN UPDATE TO THE PLAN.
IT'S GOING THROUGH COORDINATION AND HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED.
I ASSUME THAT THAT PLAN NOW HAS TO GO BACK AND, AND BE REDONE BECAUSE IT WAS BEFORE THIS INCIDENT.
SO THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PROCESS WILL NEED, NEED TO TAKE PLACE.
BUT THERE WAS AN UPDATE, I THINK FROM WHAT WE, WHAT I COULD, UH, UM, UNDERSTAND FROM THE RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION ABOUT PLANS AND TRAINING IS THAT IT DID TAKE PLACE, BUT NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SCHEDULE THAT IS DEFINED WITHIN THE PLAN.
UH, AND, AND I, AS YOU KNOW, I MADE A A NOTE ABOUT THAT AS WELL, THAT WE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME GREATER FIDELITY ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE THAT THEN BECOMES A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? THAT YOU ACT, WHATEVER YOU SET OUT IS A SORT OF PREPARATION SCHEDULE YOU NEED TO FOLLOW, BECAUSE IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE WERE SOME GAPS IN THE ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE PLAN, AND THEN TWICE A YEAR THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GET TOGETHER AND, AND SORT OF TALK ABOUT THE PLAN AS WELL.
AND I DON'T, DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT HAPPENED.
I THINK THE OTHER POINT THAT YOU MADE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS SORT OF EMBEDDED IN THE PLAN, AND SO IF SOMEBODY SORT OF COULD HAVE CONNECTED THE DOTS, THEN, THEN THEY WOULD'VE BEEN IN A BETTER POSITION.
UM, I, I, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE SHOULD DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
MY READ WAS THAT YES, THERE, THERE IS A COLD WEATHER EVENT IN THE PLAN, THERE WAS A POWER OUTAGE, YOU KNOW, EVENT IN THE PLAN, THERE'S A WATER EVENT IN THE PLAN, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY WELL HAVE TRAINED TO THOSE, UM, IN TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD POWER OUTAGES, WE'VE HAD COLD WEATHER, UH, AND, AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, WATER EVENTS.
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A COUPLE OF THINGS.UH, UH, ONE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SORT OF DURATION AND MAGNITUDE AND INTENSITY, UH, OF THOSE WAS NOT ANTICIPATED IN THE PLAN.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT, YOU KNOW, SO I, I, I THINK THERE, THERE IS A CASE TO BE MADE THAT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE, RIGHT? THAT, UM, THIS EVENT WAS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE TRAINING TO AND PREPARING FOR.
AND SO YOU, YOU NOW NEED TO BRING IT INSIDE.
UM, AND I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT, UM, WELL, IT'S JUST SORT OF SLIPPED MY MIND HERE.
SO, UM, YES, I AGREE THERE'S SOME MORE PEELING BACK TO DO ON THAT, UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THE PREPARATION TOOK PLACE.
BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT IT, IT DIDN'T EXACTLY TAKE PLACE IN, IN THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD HAVE, UH, FOR THIS, FOR THIS, UH, THIS TYPE OF A CONTINGENCY.
NO, NO, NOT, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY WELL PUT TOGETHER.
UM, UH, I'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS MYSELF THAT, UM, I'LL BE PASSING ALONG ON THIS.
UM, I'M, I'LL KEEP MY PERSONAL COMMENTS OUTTA THIS AT THIS POINT, TRYING TO STICK WITH WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY AT THIS POINT.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I, I REALLY LIKED THE COMMENTS ABOUT WE'VE GOT A PLAN.
WE DIDN'T REALLY FOLLOW THE PLAN AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
AND, UM, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT GOT US IN THIS, UM, UH, PREDICAMENT TO BEGIN WITH AND TO MELD IN BOTH SAWS AND C P SS INTO THAT PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, WORKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT IN A SITUATION.
I MEAN, WE JUST HAD, YOU KNOW, WHO WAS IT? HONDO GOT TORN UP, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD HAVE JUST AS EASILY HAPPENED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
THAT'S JUST RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD HERE.
SO WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ICE AND SNOW WITH THIS EVENT.
THERE'S PLENTY OTHER WEATHER EVENTS OUT THERE THAT COULD HAPPEN HERE THAT THIS WOULD BE JUST AS APPLICABLE, UH, TO THOSE AS WELL.
SO YEAH, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO PREPARE FOR THAT.
AND, UH, WHAT WE DO IN OUR DAILY OPERATIONS HERE IN THE CITY, WE GOTTA BE PREPARED FOR THESE TYPES OF EVENTS.
LET ME JUST RESPOND AND THEN I'LL COME TO BACK TO YOU, MANNY.
UM, SO TO BE, I WASN'T SAYING, AND I WANNA BE CLEAR JUST AT LEAST MY PERSPECTIVE THAT I, I WAS NOT SAYING WE HAD A PLAN AND WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PLAN.
UH, I WAS SAYING WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THIS, UH, AND THEREFORE WE COULDN'T FOLLOW THE PLAN THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE.
AND SO PEOP AND SO FROM ALMOST, WHEN IT TI REACHED THAT TIPPING POINT OF BECOMING A COLD WEATHER EVENT, THAT THEN ALSO INCLUDED A MAJOR POWER EVENT AND A MAJOR WATER EVENT, UH, THAT LASTED FOR, YOU KNOW, THREE DAYS, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT.
AND SO WE WERE, WE WERE OFF PLAN AT THAT POINT.
AND, AND THEN THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU HANDLE IT AND HOW DO YOU MANAGE IT? UM, THAT'S MY VIEW ANYWAY.
UH, I, I, I WILL POINT TO ONE THING, AND I, I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED IT TWO OR THREE TIMES, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, RIGHT? UH, AND IT'S NOT THE BIGGEST I I ISSUE, BUT I THINK IT'S IN IT'S EX, UH, IT EXEMPLIFIES THE, UH, UH, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS HERE.
WE DO HAVE A PLAN, OR WE DO HAVE SUB PLANS TO SUB PLANS, RIGHT? SO THERE IS THIS, UH, THERE'S THIS ICE PROTOCOL FOR TOW TRUCKS, RIGHT? UM, AND IT SAYS THAT IN THE EVENT OF ICY ROADS WHERE IT BECOMES TOO DANGEROUS OR THERE'S TOO MANY CARS OUT THERE THAT ARE INCAPACITATED THAT, UM, TOW TRUCK COMPANIES, UH, AND THE CITY DECIDE ON, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL TEMPORARY EMERGENCY LOTS LIKE THE WALMART PARKING LOT OR, YOU KNOW, A, A SCHOOL DISTRICT PARKING LOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO TAKE EACH CAR DOWN TO THE IMPOUND LOT, UH, ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN OR WHEREVER THE HECK IT IS, RIGHT? I, I TALKED TO ERIC YESTERDAY AND I WAS LIKE, HEY, BY THE WAY, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT? HE GOES, YEAH, THERE IS A PLAN, BUT WE DIDN'T ACTIVATE THAT PLAN.
'CAUSE IT OCCURRED TO US SUDDENLY THAT MAYBE THAT WASN'T SUCH A GOOD IDEA AFTER ALL, BECAUSE THEY HAD SEEN DALLAS HAVE A SIMILAR PROBLEM WHEN THEY IMPLEMENTED THEIR ICE PROTOCOL.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ON THE FLY, UH, WE DECIDED NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT.
NO, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, RIGHT? BUT, UM, THERE IS A PLAN, RIGHT? AND WE ENDED UP NOT PULLING THE TRIGGER FOR A DARN GOOD REASON, BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER REALIZED THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT PLAN, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS INFLEXIBLE AND, AND UNWISE AT THAT, AT THAT MOMENT.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF, OF US, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT FOLLOWING CERTAIN PLANS, BE BECAUSE THERE'S A DARN GOOD REASON NOT TO, RIGHT? AND SO I, THAT'S WHERE, UM, BEN, I'D, I'D, I'D LIKE TO DIG
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DOWN TO SEE IF THERE'S, THERE WERE OTHER INSTANCES WHERE THAT WE DID JUST CHOOSE NOT TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON SOME OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE LIVING OUT THIS DISASTER, UM, THE, THOSE PLANS WEREN'T SUCH A GOOD IDEA AFTER ALL.NUMBER TWO, UM, ALONG THE LINES OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY MANAGER TALKED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN EACH LIAISON OF THE CITY MANAGER, UH, YOU KNOW, COME AND TALK TO THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL.
UM, I, I, I THINK THERE IS A, A, A PIECE OF THIS, AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE FRONT LINES TOO, TAKING THE PHONE CALLS FROM VERY ANGRY CONSTITUENTS AND FROM SMALL BUSINESSES AND FROM CHURCHES AND ALL THAT, AND WE WERE, WE WERE CAUGHT FLAT-FOOTED.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS COULD INCLUDE THEN THE FUTURE FOR THESE TABLETOP EXERCISES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO TO CREATE MUSCLE MEMORY AND PREPARE OURSELVES FOR THE NEXT DISASTER THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEIR STAFFS BE AT THE, AT THE TABLETOP HELPING DEVELOP OUR OWN MUSCLE MEMORY, RIGHT? SO THAT WE CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, ACT IN COORDINATION WITH Y'ALL, BEN, AND, UH, AND ANDY, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT THERE IS A BENEFIT TO TRAINING MY STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE PROTOCOLS THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED, WHAT'S THE ALGORITHM, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, A, B, AND C THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO BE WALKING IN LOCKSTEP WITH YOU, AS OPPOSED TO US JUST SITTING THERE AND WAITING FOR THE NEXT EMAIL FROM EITHER A LIAISON OR, OR FROM THE CITY MANAGER, RIGHT? I WOULD LIKE MY STAFF TRAINED UP, UM, FOR A DISASTER.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I'M SURE, I'M SURE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'LL ADD VALUE FOR THE NEXT DISASTER, RIGHT? YEAH.
LET ME, UH, AND THEN I'LL ASK YOU, BEN, UM, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION AS IT READS NOW IS THAT WE WOULD CREATE AN EMERGENCY ANNUAL RESPONSE TABLETOP EXERCISE THAT INCLUDES ELECTED OFFICIALS, I ASSUME THAT'S YOU AND, YOU KNOW, EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP, COUNTY AND UTILITY.
SO IF WE NEED TO REWORD THAT TO BE MORE, AND SO I CLEAR ANNUAL IS FINE, RIGHT? BUT IN AN ANNUAL MEETING, ARE YOU GOING TO CAPTURE A CYBERSECURITY ATTACK VERSUS THE NEXT STORM OR A HARVEY OR, YOU KNOW, A TERRORIST ATTACK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND SO I KNOW THAT THE E O C DOES MULTIPLE TABLETOPS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, RIGHT? WITH DIFFERENT PERMUTATIONS OF DISASTERS, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SOLVE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY PERMUTATION, BUT I MEAN, I'VE GOT SEVEN STAFFERS AND I COULD SEND ONE TO EACH TABLETOP, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, UH, TO HELP GET US TRAINED AND BRING BACK THAT INFORMATION TO MY STAFF.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, I LOVE THE RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY, SIR, I'LL JUST ADD IN THAT, UM, I KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND THE OC TEAM ARE LOOKING AT.
I MEAN, I THINK, UH, ED, YOU TOUCHED ON A COUPLE OF THINGS IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATION DURING THE EVENT, HOW THAT HAPPENS, TO YOUR POINT, UM, BEING PREPARED IN TERMS OF HEADING INTO EVENTS, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THEIR ROLE, SO I, I KNOW THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT THAT ISSUE, AND I WILL PASS THAT ON TO THEM AS WELL.
AND, AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS ONE OF OUR REALLY SMART CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO CIRCULATED A C C R ALONG THOSE LINES, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
THAT IS ALSO BEING LOOKED AT AS WELL, THAT'S YOUR C THAT'S YOUR C C R, SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PIECE AS WELL.
BUT THERE, THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, OBVIOUSLY COMMUNICATION IS KEY DURING ONE OF THESE EVENTS AND, AND BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE UNFORESEEN AND STILL BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
SO THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, THERE, THERE AREAS AROUND THAT POINT THAT, THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT.
IF I COULD ADD TO THAT CHAIR, IS, UH, I, I DO AGREE, COUNCILMAN, THAT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO INCLUDE THE ELECTEDS IN THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY ON THE COMMUNICATION FRONT.
UM, IF, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE A COMMUNICATION THAT GOES OUT TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THEN THE CON COMMUNICATION FROM THE E L T LIAISON SHOULD BE SUPPLEMENTAL AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT PERHAPS IS SPECIFIC TO THE DISTRICT.
UM, AND WE CAN DO THAT IF WE, LIKE YOU SAID, START ENGAGING IN THE, IN THE TRAINING.
YEAH, SO, WELL, I WOULD, AND I THINK MANNY ARE SPOT ON AND, YOU KNOW, THESE, UH, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY GO FINAL, WE'LL ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO ADJUST THEM, UH, TO MAKE THEM MORE, UM, SHARP, IF YOU WILL, TO, TO ADDRESS WHAT WE WANT TO MM-HMM.
THE OTHER, UM, COUPLE COMMENTS I WOULD MAKE ARE, UM, AGAIN, BACK TO THIS PLANNING AND EXERCISING AND TRAINING, UM, AND, AND THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY SORT OF A SCENARIO THAT WAS AS COMPLEX, QUITE FRANKLY AS THIS ONE WITH WITHIN THE SORT OF UPPER AND LOWER LIMITS OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
UM, IF WE DO THAT RIGHT, IF WE HAVE A MORE COMPLEX SCENARIO FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE EXERCISE THAT'S LIKE THIS, THE NEXT EVENT WON'T BE EXACTLY LIKE THIS.
THEY NEVER ARE, BUT IT WOULD BE A CASE
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PROBABLY AND WILL BE A LOT BETTER PREPARED, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DEAL WITH A LESSER INCLUDED CASE THAN A CASE THAT IS MORE AND INCLUDEDTHE OTHER THING IS, UH, TIMELINE, IT, IT WAS IN HERE.
I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THAT.
WE, WE'D ASKED THEM FOR ONE, THEY PROVIDED ONE.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT WILL GO INTO THE EVENTUAL TIMELINE HERE.
IT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY HAS SOME HOLES IN IT STILL, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD START AT GETTING US, YOU KNOW, TO INTEGRATE THE TIMELINE PIECE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS BEFORE I, ANNA? THANK YOU.
THAT WAS A, A GREAT OVERVIEW THAT YOU PROVIDED AND, UH, IT WAS GOOD TO GET INTO RECOMMENDATIONS.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S NICE TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE, UH, JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT.
I HAD A, A QUESTION FOR YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT, AND RIGHT, RIGHTLY SO, UH, ABOUT THE COORDINATION WITH C P S WHEN THERE ARE GOING TO BE OUTAGES AND YOU USED THE TERM ROLLING OUTAGES.
I, I THINK WE, I GUESS WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT TRIGGERS THAT.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SAN ANTONIO WHO LOSE POWER EVERY TIME IT RAINS, AND THEY, THEY MAY NOT CONSIDER IT AN EMERGENCY.
UH, SO I THINK WE JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT WHEN, WHEN THAT WOULD BE, WHEN, UM, WHEN THAT IS AN ACTUAL EMERGENCY.
I MEAN, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LOSE POWER, IT'S ALWAYS AN EMERGENCY, RIGHT? UM, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON WHAT, WHAT I HEAR, WHAT I THINK I MIGHT HEAR YOU SAYING.
SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE, OUR REFERENCE POINT WAS WE'VE GOT A CITYWIDE CRISIS TO THE LEVEL THAT THE E O C IS ACTIVATED.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT, ON A DAILY BASIS, IF IT RAINS AND SOMEBODY LOSES POWER, THE E O C IS NOT UP AND RUNNING.
AND SO WE, AND SO WE WEREN'T REALLY LOOKING AT SCENARIOS OUTSIDE OF A CRISIS WHERE THE E O C IS UP AND RUNNING.
SO, AM I HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT? YOU'RE RIGHT, I GUESS.
I GUESS I, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR WHEN WE ACTIVATE THE E O C IN THE, THE EVENT OF IN, IN AN EXTREME WEATHER EVENT, WHAT, WHAT TRIGGERS THAT? SO, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT COULD ANSWER THE QUESTION.
UM, THE, THE OTHER COMMENT I HAD, UM, SPEAKING OF CCRS, UH, TO COUNCILWOMAN ADRIANA'S, UH, CREDIT, SHE TALKED ABOUT US DOING AN AUDIT OF, OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, FOR EVENTS LIKE THIS.
AND IF ONE OF, IF, IF YOU READ THE, THE PAPER THIS, THIS WEEKEND I WAS TALKING TO READ ABOUT IT, THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY, RIGHT? THAT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER HIGH DEMAND EVENT IN THE SUMMER.
WELL, WE ALWAYS HAVE HIGH DEMAND IN, IN THE SUMMER, BUT POSSIBLY AN EXTREME ONE BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE WEATHER PATTERNS THIS YEAR.
AND ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF SAWS RECOMMENDS THAT WE DO SOME TYPE OF AUDIT, UH, OF THE RISKS BETWEEN C P S AND, UH, AND SAWS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF WATER THAT WE MIGHT SEE THIS, THIS SUMMER.
SO I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PUT A PLUGIN FOR THAT AS ONE OF OUR ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, THAT COMES OUT OF THIS, AND PROBABLY SOONER RATHER THAN, THAN LATER.
I THINK, UM, IT WOULD A HELP US, UH, HELP US PREPARE FOR THIS.
AND, UH, PROBABLY ONE OF THE ROLES OF THIS COMMITTEE IS TO, TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE PREPARED.
DID I MISS ANYONE OR ANY RE-ATTACK? JUST WANTED TO ADD, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEFT OFF TODAY, AND JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE WAS ALSO COVID GOING ON, RIGHT? SO THERE WAS RESTRICTIONS AS TO HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD BE TOGETHER AT THE E O C.
SO, UM, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ADDED ELEMENT.
AND SO I KNOW THAT'S WHY THERE WAS A LOT OF WEBEX COMMUNICATION, OR MAYBE A WHOLE LOT MORE PHONE COMMUNICATION AS WELL.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE ICY ROADS, BY THE WAY, THERE'S THIS, THIS STATE THING STILL OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO ADD THAT.
AND I ALSO THINK IT CUT BOTH WAYS BECAUSE THE E O C HAD A WARM START BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, AT LEVEL THREE BASED ON, UH, THE COVID SITUATION THAT HAD BEEN WORKING TOGETHER.
SO, UH, REID, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, GREAT JOB.
OKAY? I MEAN, I JUST, JUST SAY THAT ALL SINCERITY, UH, TO PULL THIS TOGETHER.
UH, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A FEW KIND OF OVERRIDING ISSUES.
UM, I CAN'T ADD ANYTHING TO WHAT ED GROUP AND THE COMMITTEES SAID.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WRITE A REPORT AND WORDS ARE IMPORTANT.
SO HOPEFULLY, UH, WHILE WE'RE HERE TOGETHER, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME KIND OF, OF, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WORDS WE USE.
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WHAT, AND AGAIN, WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT.WE COME FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND, AND, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY THESE WORDS COMMUNICATE IN ENGLISH, BUT ALSO IN SPANISH, OKAY? SO WHEN I REFER TO WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT HAPPENED, THAT'S SYNONYMOUS WITH YOUR ISSUE AND RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE IF YOU JUST TURN YOUR RECOMMENDATION AROUND TO A STATEMENT INSTEAD OF A DO THIS, YOU JUST SAY, THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN.
OKAY? AND I'M NOT CAUGHT UP ON THAT, BUT I DO BELIEVE BETWEEN THE THREE GROUPS, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IF WE WANT TO USE THE WORD ISSUE OR PROBLEM OR EVENT FAILURE OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO USE, LET'S ALL KIND OF, IF WE CAN AGREE ON USING THAT, WHAT I CALL WHAT HAPPENED, OKAY? THIS HAPPENED.
YOU'VE TAKEN THEIR ANSWERS, YOU'VE VERY WELL DISTILLED IT INTO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, THIS IS A, WHAT YOU CALL AN ISSUE, A PROBLEM.
AND, AND THEN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THE WHY IT HAPPENED.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EVENT.
NOW, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AROUND HERE ON THE PLANNING AND WAS THERE AN EVENT, ED KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLETOP EVENTS, THEY'RE VERY STATIC, THEY'RE VERY WELL-DEFINED, AND THEY DON'T CHANGE MUCH WITHIN 'EM.
NOT ONLY DID WE HAVE A DYNAMIC EVENT THAT LASTED A LONG TIME, WE HAD AN EVENT THAT INVOLVED MULTIPLE COUNTER REACTING, UH, PROBLEMS. AND I USE THE WORD PROBLEM.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
THEY USE ISSUE, BUT I CALL IT PROBLEM.
SO I THINK WHAT WE DO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE TABLETOP THINGS, AND IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER IT'S MANY OR CLAYTON BROUGHT IT UP JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE COMMUTED SOME, COMMUNICATED SOMETHING TODAY, IT MIGHT BE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TOMORROW BECAUSE THE EVENT CHANGED.
REMEMBER, WE HAD A CASCADING, UH, POWER EVENT THAT IN ONE NIGHT WE SHED ALMOST 20 MEGAWATT HOURS, OKAY? AND, AND IT REALLY DIDN'T COME BACK UNTIL THE WEATHER GOT WARM.
AND, AND SO THE REALITY IS, IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TABLETOP EXERCISES, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO RETHINK LONG TERM DYNAMIC.
I KNOW I'M SURE ED'S BEEN INVOLVED IN IT.
WE GET A FIRE IN A PLANT, WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE LOCALIZED TO A TANK BEFORE WE KNOW IT.
WE GOT A UNIT OVER HERE ON FIRE NOT, OR THINGS JUST DON'T STAY THE SAME.
AND, AND TO THE POINT OF THE, OF THE GROUP, WHEN THINGS CHANGE, COMMUNICATION'S GOTTA KEEP UP.
AND IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT ED'S MADE A REALLY GOOD POINT, Y'ALL HAVE, IT DIDN'T KEEP UP.
SO LET'S THINK ABOUT WHETHER WE WANT, WHAT TERMINOLOGY WE WANT TO USE SO THAT WHEN WE WRITE THIS REPORT, WE'RE ALL EITHER USING ISSUES AND RECOMMENDATIONS, OR WE'RE ALL USING WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT HAPPENED.
BOTH ALL GROUPS HAVE SAID IN DIFFERENT WORDS, BUT I THINK WHEN, WHEN, WHEN ED WAS SPEAKING, HE WAS SAYING, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO HOW YOU FIX IT.
AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE SAYING.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT THINK ABOUT IT, WHAT Y'ALL THINK THE TERMINOLOGY IS.
THINK ABOUT IT NOT ONLY IN ENGLISH BUT SPANISH, SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING THIS IS THIS IS THE PROBLEM, THIS IS WHY WE HAD THE PROBLEM, OR THE DISCONNECT OR WHATEVER.
SECOND THING IS, UH, LET'S TALK ABOUT AUTHORITY AND POWER.
OKAY? IT'S GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, UH, AUTHORITY IN MY WORLD, AND, AND MAYBE Y'ALL SEE IT DIFFERENT, IS THE RIGHT TO SAY YES AND THE RIGHT TO SAY NO.
OKAY? BOTH YOU GOTTA SAY YOU CAN DO IT AND YOU CAN'T DO IT.
OKAY? YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, YOU GET, YOU CAN SAY YES, OKAY? BECAUSE IN AN EVENT LIKE THIS, YOU'RE GONNA BE TELLING SOME PEOPLE NOT TO DO SOMETHING, OKAY? LIKE THE QUESTION RIGHT THERE, DO NOT FOLLOW THE RULE AND TAKE 'EM TO THE WALMART PARKING LOT.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AUTHORITY, IT'S THE, IT'S THE AUTHORITY TO SAY YES AND NO.
AND THAT'S GONNA BRING VERY CLEARLY INTO FOCUS.
WHETHER THE E O C UNDER AN EMERGENCY HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL A UTILITY NOT TO DO SOMETHING.
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SO THEY CAN CONCUR WITH THEM.THEY CAN SAY YES, BUT DO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO? REALLY WOULD LIKE THE GROUP TO THINK ABOUT THAT POINT IF YOU COULD IN THE NEXT WEEK? AND WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO RESURFACE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANSWERS RIGHT NOW.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, AND IT'S KIND OF COMING UP WITH YOUR QUESTION ON VIA, AND WE'VE, IT, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SAW AND WITH THE, WITH THE STREETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THERE NOT BEING A ROBUST TRANSPORTATION PLAN ROUTES, OKAY? IF A, IF A ROAD IS CLOSED, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'VE GOTTA GET PERSONNEL TO A HOSPITAL, HOW DO THEY GET THERE? IF WE'VE GOTTA GET PEOPLE, UH, TO DELIVER WATER, WHAT'S THE ROUTE THEY USE NOW? OR I KNOW THIS IS GETTING TO BE VERY COMMU, VERY COMPLICATED COMMUNICATION, BUT IF I'M TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, A CREW OVER HERE TO SHUT A PIPELINE DOWN, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT ROAD THEY'RE GOING ON.
OKAY? AND WHAT ROAD CAN ALWAYS BE ACCESSIBLE? I CAN'T HAVE 'EM GOING OUT, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS ROAD IS FLOODED OUT.
I NEED TO KNOW HOW THEY CAN GET THERE.
AND I GUESS THE FINAL THING IS, AND THIS IS BACK TO THIS PRE PRE, PRE PRE STUDY THING, UM, I, I, I'VE, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WILL ADMIT, UH, WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PLAN AND DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THIS, AND THAT'S THE, IS WE DIDN'T DO IT.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD DO IT OR IT SHOULD BE DONE.
SO I, I BELIEVE THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, IF PEOPLE WANNA MAKE COMMENTS ON, ON HOW WE CLASSIFY THESE STEPS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, MORE THAN WILLING TO, TO, TO TAKE 'EM TO NOW, IF YOU WANT TO DEFER IT TILL TILL NEXT WEEK AND THINK ABOUT IT, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE WE'RE HOMING IN ON, ON GETTING THIS DONE, AND PART OF GETTING IT DONE IS GETTING THE PAPERWORK DONE.
AND, UH, SO LET'S, LET'S, AND, AND TO THAT POINT, UM, I JUST HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY OF THESE MEETINGS IN JUNE.
OKAY? Y'ALL GOT A BUDGET TO DEAL WITH.
YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES.
UM, I WANT, I WANT TO FINISH THIS UP IN, IN MAY, IF WE CAN'T, EXCEPT WE MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE THE, THE LACK NVI THING.
OKAY? LET'S JUST SAY MID-JUNE.
I'M TRYING TO
WE'RE GONNA START BUILDING THE BUDGET IN, IN JUNE.
AND WE SHOULD HAVE SOME RECOMMEND IF THERE'RE GONNA BE ANY BUDGETARY IMPACTS.
YEAH, I THINK WE WANNA KNOW THOSE EARLY ON.
SO ALL THAT, IF, IF, I GUESS I'M KIND OF BEGGING HERE A LITTLE BIT.
AND WE HAVE MOVED THAT MEETING UP FROM THE 10TH TO THE FOURTH NOW, SO, ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE, WELL, PLEASE THINK ROBERT AND THIS TEAM, WE HEARD YOU AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE REACTING TO THAT.
THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GOTTA GO ON AFTER THIS.
OKAY? OUR JOB, AGAIN, COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, AND GET THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING, WHAT WENT ON AND, AND WHY, AND THEN WHAT THEY CAN THEN FOLLOW IT FORWARD WITH THESE GROUPS.
OKAY? AND YES, BACK TO YOU, ED.
UM, I THINK TO, TO YOUR LAST POINT, REID, YOU KNOW, AS WE FINISH THIS UP, WE DON'T WANT THE PERFECT TO BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD HERE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO, I MEAN, WE COULD ITERATE THIS FOREVER.
UM, TRYING TO GET EVERY LAST BIT IN, AND I THINK WE GET TO THE POINT OF DIMINISHING RETURN.
SO YES, LET'S PUSH, PUSH FORWARD HERE.
SECONDLY, UM, JUST A, A BRIEF COMMENT AND I'LL THINK ABOUT IT AND, AND HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS LATER, BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER THE CHARGE THAT THE MAYOR GAVE US, RIGHT? IT WAS VERY BRIEF, BUT IN THERE IT SAID, AND GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE, WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
SO I THINK THE TERM RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HE ASKED US TO DO.
DO WE WANNA STIPULATE THAT NOW AND SAVE US SOME BRAIN DAMAGE OVER THE NEXT WEEK?
ALRIGHT, CONSIDER IT DONE THEN, UNLESS I HEAR ANY OBJECTION.
NO, BUT I AGREE ALSO ON THE, I I, I'M FINE WITH THE JUNE 15TH BECAUSE, UM, I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY, LIKE I MENTIONED WITH ERIC WALSH, AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE COMMITTED TO WAS IN THE NEXT BUDGET.
AND, AND EVEN AS WE THINK ABOUT THE NEXT BOND, WAS MAKING SURE
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THAT WE START THINKING ABOUT BUDGETING FOR WEATHERIZATION.THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, THAT HAD BEEN RECOMMENDED IN THE 2015 PLAN.
AND SO I THINK THAT THIS IS PERFECT TIMING BECAUSE THEN, UM, PUTTING MY COUNCIL HEAD BACK ON, WE GET TO HAVE THOSE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS AND INCORPORATE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IF I MIGHT JUST, SINCE IT CAME UP, AND I KNOW WE'RE AT THE END HERE AND IT'S FRIDAY
AND, AND THE REASONS WE HAVEN'T DONE IT IN THE PAST ARE LARGELY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT HAS A LOW PROBABILITY OF HAPPENING, OR ARE YOU GONNA SPEND MONEY ON SCHOOLS AND ROADS NOW? AND IT'S A DECISION THAT WE'LL STILL HAVE.
AND MY POINT BEING, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATE IS GOING TO DO, BUT PART OF OUR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UPSTREAM ISSUES WERE THAT WE WERE ISOLATED FROM THE REST OF THE POWER GRID.
IF WE ARE NOT ISOLATED AND WE COULD ACTUALLY PULL POWER FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND AS A STATE THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IT WOULD TAKE TO WINTERIZE OUR SYSTEM FOR AN EVENT.
THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN VERY MUCH.
SO I WOULD HATE TO SEE US, YOU KNOW, SPEND A LOT OF MONEY DOING THAT WHEN EITHER THERE'S A EASIER, BETTER SOLUTION OR MAYBE THAT SOLUTION HAPPENS AND WE'VE SPENT MONEY FOR NOTHING.
SO IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T BRING IT UP SO MUCH.
BUT, BUT IT IS A BUDGET ISSUE.
WELL, TO, TO THAT POINT, IT, IT'S ALSO A COMMERCIAL ISSUE BECAUSE, UH, TEXAS PRODUCES ENERGY AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SELL IT, NOT JUST COME, NOT JUST BUY IT, BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SELL IT TOO.
UH, ALSO ON, UH, ONE, ONE MORE POINT ON THE, ON THE SCHEDULE.
UH, IF, UH, ANY OF YOU, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING WITH YOUR GROUPS, SAY THERE'S JUST AN IMPOSSIBILITY ON THIS, JUST LET US KNOW, BRING IT BACK.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? HEAR? ANY OBJECTIONS? NO OBJECTIONS.