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          GOOD AFTERNOON 
          [12:30 p.m. - Work Session]
EVERYONE. 
          I HAVE 1230 AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT, UH, A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS TO BEGIN. 
          SO, UM, LET'S BEGIN. 
          STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO COVER IN THIS WORK SESSION? UH, YES, SIR. 
          YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE UPDATED ZONING SUMMARY. 
          WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE NOW POSTPONED. 
          IT'S ITEM NUMBER ONE ON ANNIE STREET, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT ONE ALSO. 
          AND IT HAS A NUMBER OF ADDRESSES, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS AWARE. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CASES, UH, THAT YOU WANT COUNTS FOR OR YOU WOULD LIKE PULLED FROM THE COMBINED HEARING? NUMBER ONE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UH, WHAT ARE YOUR QUESTIONS? UH, WELL, ONE, I WOULD LIKE COUNTS ON BOTH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE COUNT FOR NUMBER THREE IS 21 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM SOUTHTON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THERE WERE 11 NOTICES MAILED, ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS THOSE ITEMS, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMISSIONERS, I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE, UH, PROPOSED PROJECTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PULL THESE ITEMS? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL, UH, OTHER, OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          COMMISSIONER, CAN I HAVE THE ACCOUNTS ON, UH, NUMBER 18, PLEASE? OH, SO THAT'S FOR THE STAFF? YES, SIR. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          ITEM 18. 
          THERE WERE 32 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNTS, CONCERNS, COMMISSIONERS? LET'S SEE, ANYONE? SO, UH, THE, UH, CHAIR, IF I HAVE, UH, ONE OPPOSITION ON THIS 18, SHOULD I, UH, PICK IT UP ON INDIVIDUAL OR CAN I LEAVE IT ON COMBINED? I THINK THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. 
          UM, STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT CASE? NUMBER 18? NO SIR. 
          AND ANYTHING THAT WAS RECEIVED WAS SENT, SO THAT ONE NOTICE WAS ALREADY SENT TO YOU, MISS, UH, COMMISSIONER KAMM AND IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSENT, SO THAT'S ENTIRELY IN YOUR DISCRETION, COMMISSIONER. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CONCERNS COUNTS. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? I'D I'D LIKE TO PULL, UH, 17, UH, PLEASE. 
          OR INDIVIDUAL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNTS, ITEMS TO BE PULLED TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS? ONE LAST CALL. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. 
          I WANTED TO JUST GET THE COUNTS. 
          I KNOW THAT NUMBER TWO IS ON INDIVIDUAL. 
          I JUST WANTED THE COUNTS. 
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YES MA'AM. 
          THOSE COUNTS ARE 21 NOTICES MAILED NONE. 
          RECEIVED IN FAVOR. 
          FIVE. 
          RECEIVED AN OPPOSITION DEL CREST AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. 
          THERE WAS ALSO A LETTER IN OPPOSITION RECEIVED FROM TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION AND ALSO GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE IS OPPOSED. 
          THERE WERE EIGHT PROPERTY OWNERS OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET THAT ARE OPPOSED AS WELL. 
          OKAY, AND WHAT WAS THAT SECOND ONE? THAT PIER ONE. 
          WHAT WAS THAT? IT'S CALLED THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. 
          TIER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU PIER. 
          I WAS HOPING FOR SOME TCHOTCHKES FROM PIER ONE, BUT NO SUCH LUCK. 
          , UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? ANY COUNTS OR OTHER CONCERNS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IN WORK SESSION? SEEING NONE, UH, WE WILL STAND AND RECESS UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 1:00 PM THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH BEING SAID. 
          THE TIME IS NOW 1 0 2 
          [1:00 P.M. – Call to Order ]
AND I'M GOING TO CALL, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF SAN ANTONIO TO ORDER. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMANTE AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER. 
          I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED ME MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. 
          CAN WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF. 
          [Roll Call]
IF WE COULD PLEASE, UH, CONDUCT THE ROLL CALL. 
          DR. 
          JONES. 
          PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER KAT? PRESENT. 
          MR. WE PRESENT DR. 
          ROMERO? PRESENT. 
          MR. GIBBONS? HERE. 
          MR. WHITE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          I BELIEVE HE'S IN ROUTE. 
          WE'LL COME BACK TO HIM. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL HERE. 
           GREATHOUSE. 
          HERE. 
          VICE CHAIR. 
          HERE. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          PRESENT. 
          ONE MORE TIME FOR COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, PRIOR TO STARTING WITH OUR ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE OUR STAFF TO REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT. 
          STAFF. 
          PLEASE PROCEED TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19. 
          THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEETINGS BY A VIDEO CONFERENCE. 
          THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW DOT SAN ANTONIO. 
          DO GOV SLASH DSD OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. 
          TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING. 
          STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD FOR ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT, STAFF WILL PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL. 
          LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALLBACK, WE WILL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENT. 
          SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED. 
          THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION. 
          QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU. 
          UM, STAFF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REVIEW THE CURRENT LIST OF, UH, COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE CASES THAT ARE THE CONSENT CASES, COMBINED 
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HEARING NUMBER TWO CASES, UH, WHICH ARE, UH, CONTINUANCES AND ANY POSTPONED WITHDRAWN ITEMS AS WELL AS ANY INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. SO FOR THE POSTPONEMENTS TODAY, WE HAVE ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND SEVEN FOR COMBINED HEARING. 
          NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE ITEM 5, 9, 10, 11, 15, 16, 18, AND 19. 
          AND FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE ITEM 12, WHICH IS REQUESTING A FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, FOR INDIVIDUAL HEARING, WE HAVE ITEM 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 13, 14, 17, 20, AND 21. 
          AND WE ARE REQUESTING THAT WE HEAR ITEM NUMBER SIX FIRST FOR INDIVIDUAL HEARINGS, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          AND JUST FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, THERE IS THE CHANCE THAT I MIGHT TRY TO MOVE 17 UP, BUT WE WILL, UH, SEE WHEN THE TIME COMES IF WE NEED TO DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE WILL HEAR ITEM SIX FIRST, UH, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO ADD ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS TO THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING? COMMISSIONER KENNETH, UH, QUESTION FOR THE STAFF, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO, UH, SPEAK AGAINST ITEM 18 ON THE COMBINED HEARING? ONE. 
          ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK?  NO SIR. 
          THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, ANY ITEMS TO BE PULLED FROM THE COMBINED HEARING? NUMBER ONE TO INDIVIDUAL? I ALRIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          [Items 5, 9 - 11, 15, 16, 18, & 19 ]
STAFF, IF YOU WOULD READ, UH, THE REMAINING CONSENT ITEMS INTO THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO JUST NOTE VERY QUICKLY, ITEM NUMBER 15, WHICH IS ELIGIBLE, ELIGIBLE FOR CONSENT HAS ONE VOICEMAIL INFL FAVOR THAT WE CAN PLAY, UH, PRIOR TO THE ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE ITEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE PLAY THAT, UH, VOICEMAIL PRIOR TO THE ROLL CALL VOTE AND AFTER THE ITEMS HAVE BEEN READ INTO THE RECORD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A DANCEHALL WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT C THREE GC ONE C TWO CD GC ONE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A DANCEHALL WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND MF 50 GC ONE TO MF 50 AND MF 50 GC ONE. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 5,000 BLOCK OF U T S A BOULEVARD 13 NOTICES WERE MAILED. 
          TWO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX A H O D TO I D Z ONE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED IN MF 18 C ONE AND OH ONE LOCATED AT 7 21, 7 23 AND 7 25 PROBAND STREET. 
          26 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A, SORRY. 
          ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FULL SERVICE. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 67 19 WEST COMMERCE STREET. 
          24 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R FOUR. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 26 0 2 LUM BRANO STREET. 
          33 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM WEST HOPE IN ACTION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT TWO 19 NORTH GEVER STREET. 
          39 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM JEFFERSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX HL. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME LOCATED AT 1109 WEST CRAIG PLACE. 
          30 NOTICES 
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WERE MAIL ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION. 
          AND BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN SUPPORT AND ONE OTHER OUTSIDE. 
          THE 200 FOOT BUFFER IS IN SUPPORT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 1514 WEST PYRON AVENUE. 
          32 NOTICES WERE MAILED. 
          ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM TIERRA LINDA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND LASTLY, ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE NA TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO PAINT AND BODY REPAIR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND PARTS LOCATED AT 88 0 3 OAKLAND ROAD. 
          17. 
          NOTICES WERE MAIL ZERO, WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU STAFF. 
          IF, IF WE COULD HAVE THAT VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER 15, PLEASE. 
          JUST ONE MEM MOMENT. 
          WE'RE PULLING IT UP SIR SAN UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1146. 
          HI, THIS IS MICHELLE BANEZ. 
          UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1146 PAO, UH, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 2 AND 2 47 BELMONT, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 2. 
          I'M CALLING REGARDING THE CASE ENDING IN 0 0 6 1 CD. 
          UM, I AM FOR THE REZONING, UM, GREEN LIGHT. 
          I'M GOOD TO GO WITH THAT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, AS LONG AS YOU KNOW, WE REVAMP THE CITY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LOOK BETTER AND, AND INVEST IN IT, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE THE GO. 
          SO I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, HOPE EVERYTHING WORKS OUT. 
          THANKS. 
          BYE-BYE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU STAFF. 
          UM, IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND? YEAH. 
          UM, CHAIR BUSTAMANTE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEMS NUMBER 5 9 10 11 15 16, 18, AND 19. 
          ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND JONES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER JONES FOR THE SECOND AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER WHITE IS NOW ATTENDING THE HEARING. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER S SIPES AND COMMISSIONER JONES, RESPECTIVELY, IF WE COULD GET A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          MR. KAMIT? UH, YES. 
          MR. WE A DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          I'M GONNA ABSTAIN AS I, UM, JUST A FEW MINUTES LATE. 
          SO NOTED. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          PRO TEM GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SIPES? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSTAMANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          10 TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTAINED VOTE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IF WE CAN MOVE ON 
          [12. 21-3233 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700058 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 H AHOD" Residential Single-Family Dignowity Hill Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 H AHOD" Limited Intensity Infill Development Zone Dignowity Hill Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for four (4) dwelling units on Lot 9, Block 2, NCB 529, located at 507 Hays Street. Staff recommends Denial, with Alternate Recommendation. (Justin Malone, Planner, (210) 207-0157, Justin.Malone@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department). ]
TO OUR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO ITEM COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS REQUESTING A FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 1ST. 
          AND IT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM OUR SIX H A H O D TO I D Z ONE H A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 5 0 7 HAYES STREET. 
          25 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, TWO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          ITY HILL AND CONSERVATION SOCIETY, SOCIETY ARE OPPOSED. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE, OH, NEVERMIND. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER JONES, THIS IS IN YOUR DISTRICT. 
          UH, IS THERE, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, UH, MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE TILL JUNE THE FOURTH MEETING. 
          THAT WOULD BE JUNE THE 
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FIRST, MA'AM, I'M SORRY. 
          JUNE THE FIRST. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCDANIEL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE'S A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 1ST BY COMMISSIONER JONES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL FOR ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMI? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE HI, DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          PRO TEM GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SIPES? YES. 
          AND CHAIR BUSANTE FIVE. 
          MOTION PASSES 11 TO ZERO FOR A CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 1ST. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IF WE CAN BEGIN WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING, HEARING ITEMS, AND AS WE MENTIONED, UH, EARLIER, LET'S BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER SIX, PLEASE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST, UH, YES. 
          POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. 
          COULD YOU PUT THE LIST UP ON WHAT NUMBERS AGAIN, WHAT CASES, AGAIN ARE ON INDIVIDUAL HEARING THAT I ONLY SEE THE 14, 17, 20. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GOONS, UH, STAFF, 
          [6. 21-3478 (Continued from 04/20/21) ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700014 HL (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 NCD-5 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Beacon Hill Neighborhood Conservation Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-6 HL NCD-5 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Historic Landmark Beacon Hill Neighborhood Conservation Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lots 1-6, Block 21, NCB 1806, located at 1206 West Agarita Avenue. Staff recommends Approval. (Lorianne Thennes, Senior Planner, (210) 207-7945, lorianne.thennes@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ]
IF WE COULD BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER SIX AND THEN GO BACK TO COM. 
          UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX HL. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 1206 WEST AGARITA AVENUE. 
          24 NOTICES WERE MAILED. 
          TWO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS IN SUPPORT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS OPPOSED. 
          THE CURRENT R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS IN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED REQUEST MAINTAINS THE SAME BASE ZONING, BUT ADDS A HISTORIC OVERLAY. 
          ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION APPROVED A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PROPERTY AT 1206 WEST AGARITA AVENUE ON DECEMBER 17TH, 2020 C. 
          CITY COUNCIL APPROVED RESOLUTION 2020 DASH 12 DASH 17 DASH 57 R INITIATING A CHANGE IN ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY TO INCLUDE A HISTORIC LANDMARK OVERLAY AS A STEP IN THE ZONING PROCESS, A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION WAS REQUIRED FROM THE H D R C ON JANUARY 20 20TH, 2021. 
          THE H D R C RECOMMENDED DESIGNATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS, OR THE PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL AS O H P, ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, LET'S BEGIN WITH THE APPLICANT PLEASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS DR. 
          JENNY HAY. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          THANK YOU DR. 
          HAY, PLEASE PROCEED. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, I HAVE A, A PRESENTATION AND I'LL, I'LL MAKE IT VERY BRIEF. 
          UM, IF STAFF COULD PULL IT UP AND GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THE SECOND SLIDE, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, SO I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY, UM, AS WAS READ INTO THE RECORD, BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED STAFF TO INITIATE A ZONING CHANGE TO APPLY A LANDMARK DESIGNATION TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY AT 1206 WEST AGARITA IS A SINGLE STORY FRONT GABLE CRAFTSMAN RESIDENCE. 
          IT WAS BUILT IN 1921 FOR THE TASSOS FAMILY. 
          UH, SALES MART HOMES CURRENTLY OWNS THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, CHARLES AND GUS TASSOS WERE MEMBERS OF SAN ANTONIO'S GREEK COLONY, UM, WHO IMMIGRATED TO THE UNITED STATES FROM GREECE IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY. 
          IN 1921, UM, CHARLES AND GUS, UH, BROTHERS BOUGHT WITH THEIR WIVES, EDITH AND MARGARITE, THE LOTS THAT ARE, UH, CURRENTLY LOCATED AT TWELVE HUNDRED AND TWELVE OH SIX WEST AGITA. 
          UM, BOTH HOMES ARE, UH, STILL EXTANT AND, UM, ARE JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF ONE ANOTHER. 
          BOTH ARE FRONT GABLE CRAFTSMAN RESIDENCES. 
          UH, DAMON TASSOS, THE SON OF GUSS AND MARGARITE GREW UP, UH, HERE IN THIS HOUSE AND, UH, ENDED UP PLAYING IN THE N F L FOR THE BOSTON YANKS, THE DETROIT LIONS AND THE GREEN BAY PACKERS, IF YOU'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
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UM, SO THIS, UH, CASE INITIALLY CAME TO US, UH, THIS PROPERTY INITIALLY CAME TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, UM, ON AUGUST 31ST OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE RECEIVED A DEMOLITION REQUEST, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UH, ON SEPTEMBER 29TH, THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, ON OCTOBER 8TH, THE OWNER WITHDREW THEIR DEMOLITION REQUEST. 
          THE REQUEST FOR THE FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WAS HEARD BY THE H D R C IN NOVEMBER. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GONE OVER THIS SORT OF CASE HISTORY HERE, SO, UM, I WON'T, UH, BELABOR THE, UH, READING OF THE SLIDE TO YOU. 
          UM, AND AS MENTIONED, THE OWNER IS OPPOSED TO THE DESIGNATION IF YOU GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE FOR ME. 
          SO, UM, UH, AS WITH ALL, UM, UH, DESIGNATION, UH, CASES, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION EVALUATES THE PROPERTY FOR ELIGIBILITY ON THE U D C. 
          IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE, UH, PROPERTY MUST MEET AT LEAST THREE CRITERIA, UM, THAT ARE LISTED, UM, WITHIN THE U D C. 
          AND THE THREE CRITERIA THAT STAFF FOUND, UM, THAT THIS PROPERTY MEETS, UM, ARE AS FOLLOWS. 
          IT'S, UH, IDENTIFICATION WITH A PERSON, UM, SIGNIFICANT TO THE COMMUNITY IN THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TASSOS FAMILY WHO, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, OWNED AND OPERATED A NUMBER OF RESTAURANTS IN SAN ANTONIO AND WERE VERY ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE CITY'S GREEK COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY REMAINED IN THE TASSOS FAMILY FOR OVER 50 YEARS. 
          UM, ALSO BECAUSE OF ITS EMBODIMENT OF DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS OF AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF ITS, UM, DESIGN AS A FRONT GABLE CRAFTSMAN RESIDENCE CHARACTERIZED BY A LOW PITCHED AND GABLED ROOF, UH, WRAPAROUND FULL WITH PORCH AND WIDE EAVES WITH EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS AND TRIANGULAR BRACES THAT ARE TUCKED UNDERNEATH. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, BECAUSE OF ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT. 
          SO BOTH BECAUSE OF ITS RELATIONSHIP TO ITS SORT OF TWIN THERE AT 1200 WEST AGARITA, THAT WAS ALSO BUILT FOR THE TASSOS FAMILY. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, FOR ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE, UM, TO THE AREA THAT IT'S LOCATED IN, WHICH IS OF COURSE THE BEACON HILL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT. 
          THIS, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS, UM, IDENTIFIED AS AN ELIGIBLE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IF IT WERE DESIGNATED HISTORIC, THIS CAPACITY WOULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL, UM, PASSED A RESOLUTION, UH, ASKING STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UM, INITIATION OF THAT ZONING CHANGE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU CAN GO TO MY LAST SLIDE, UH, AND I AM, UM, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          DR. 
          HAY. 
          UH, IS THE OWNER PRESENT OR THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE? MR. VELAZQUEZ? YOU CAN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, SIR, IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE, UH, CONNECTING, YOU CAN HIT STAR SIX SO THAT YOUR PHONE CAN CONNECT TO IT. 
          STAR SIX. 
          HELLO? THERE YOU GO. 
          YES, MR. VELAZQUEZ, CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? YEAH. 
          YES, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MY NAME IS MR. . 
          I'M THE GRANDSON OF ENVIA, THE OWNER OF SALES SMART HOMES. 
          AND WE OPPOSE THE, UH, HISTORIC ZONING AND, UH, OUR, OUR, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE MEETINGS WITH THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, AND AT THE MOMENT, THEY, THE LAST TIME WE MET, THEY WEREN'T EVEN ABLE TO PASS A MAJORITY TO MAKE IT A HISTORIC DESIGNATED HOME ON THEIR END BECAUSE ENOUGH OF THE CHAIRMANS WERE OPPOSED TO THAT IDEA AS WELL ON THE GROUNDS THAT AS A GOOD FAITH, UH, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, OUR INTENTION ORIGINALLY WAS TO DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY AND PUT A COUPLE TOWN HOMES IN THE AREA MATCHING A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA. 
          BUT AS SOON AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OBVIOUSLY APO WENT TO OPPOSE THE, THE, THE DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY, WE PULLED OUR PERMIT, UM, TO DEMOL THE PROPERTY AND, UH, WENT IN TO RESTORE THE PROPERTY ITSELF TO ITS, UH, FORMER GLORY. 
          AND A LOT OF THE FINDINGS OF, OF COUPLE OF THE CHAIRMAN IS THAT, UM, IT'S BEING WEAPONIZED THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION TO, UM, IMPOSE, UH, UH, MORE, UH, RESTRICTIONS ONTO US, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IN OUR PURSUIT OF, UH, RENOVATING THE PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          AND WITH THAT SAID AS WELL, I JUST, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING AGAINST THE FINDINGS OF THE, UH, HISTORIC SOCIETY ABOUT, UM, MAKING THE PROPERTY MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN THE OTHER, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE ANY OF THE HOMES IN, IN BEACON HILL, IF YOU DIG FAR ENOUGH INTO THEIR HISTORY BEING OF THEIR AGE, SOMEONE WITH SOME TYPE OF STANDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PROBABLY LIVED IN ALL OF THEM. 
          UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE A, A LITTLE BIT LOOSE. 
          I THINK, I MEAN, I'M NOT DISPARAGING ANY RESTAURATEURS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, I DON'T 
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KNOW, IT SEEMS VERY SLIPPERY TO JUST START LABELING A RESTAURATEUR IN THE AREA AS SOMEONE SIGNIFICANT, UM, TO THE HISTORY OF OUR CITY. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN, IN, IN EVERY SHAPE OR POINTS AT, I, I THINK I'M SIGNIFICANT. 
          I, MY PERSONAL BUSINESS, I DO SEVERAL OF THE INTERIOR MILLWORK FOR A LOT OF OUR BUILDERS LY HOMES, CHEST MORE HOMES. 
          AND I DON'T FEEL THAT IN 50 YEARS MY HOME SHOULD BE DESIGNATED HISTORIC BECAUSE I BUILT THEM OUT OF MY GARAGE. 
          UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD USE THAT, UH, HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON PEOPLE THAT IMPROVE THE CITY, UM, IN A MORE IMPACTFUL WAY THAT SHAPED A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES INSTEAD OF JUST, UM, NITPICKING ON, UM, JUST PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN A PROPERTY WHICH HAS SOME AGE AND GREW UP THERE. 
          UM, ON TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THE HISTORIC SOCIETY. 
          WE ARE RESTORING THE PROPERTY TO BASICALLY HISTORIC STANDARDS. 
          UM, WE WERE ALLOWED TO USE, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, STYLE WINDOWS JUST BECAUSE WE HAD PURCHASED THEM PRIOR TO THIS WHOLE, UH, HISTORIC, UM, REVIEW. 
          AND WE ARE CURRENTLY, LIKE I SAID, RESTORING THE PROPERTY TO HISTORIC SIDING STANDARDS IN THE SENSE OF USING LIKE, MATERIALS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          AND, UM, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO FINISH THE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN ON THE OTHER, THE REST OF THE LOT BUILD TWO HOMES THAT ARE IN SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT SO MUCH PUTTING A MODERN CONTEMPORARY THING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HIS HISTORIC APPEAL. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. VELASQUEZ. 
          UM, STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. 
          WE WILL BEGIN PLAYING VOICEMAILS. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS SIMA COLVIN AND I'M THE CO-CHAIR OF THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ZONING AND URBAN DESIGN COMMITTEE. 
          THIS STATEMENT IS ON BEHALF OF THAT COMMITTEE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN REGARDS TO 1206 WEST AGARITA. 
          WE ARE SPEAKING TODAY TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE TASO HOME AT 1206 WEST AGARITA. 
          O H P HAS PROVIDED WELL RESEARCHED AND THOROUGH SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. 
          IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT MUCH OF THE INFORMATION REGARDING DAMON TASSELS AND THE TASSELS FAMILY WAS UNCOVERED BY BEACON HILL'S RESIDENT AD HOC HISTORIAN AFTER HOURS OF SCOURING THE INTERNET. 
          THIS ENTIRE EFFORT HAS BEEN A COMMUNITY EFFORT, STARTING WITH AN EMAIL FROM A CONCERNED NEIGHBOR TO 141 COMMENTS ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGE WHEN WE ASK FOR INPUT TO THE RESEARCH AND SUBSEQUENT COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION IN THE PROCESS. 
          IN RESPONSE TO OUR MEMBERSHIP, BONNA HAS SUBMITTED A NOTE, A NON-OWNER REQUEST FOR REVIEW TO O H P TO DETERMINE HISTORIC ELIGIBILITY. 
          THIS IS THE RIGHT OF ANY CITIZEN OR ORGANIZATION. 
          AS OUR APPLICATION MET THE REQUIREMENTS, O H P ACCEPTED OUR APPLICATION AND WENT TO H D R C FOR A DETERMINATION OF ELIGIBILITY, WHICH WAS APPROVED. 
          CITY COUNCIL THEN PASSED A RESOLUTION REQUESTING STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE REZONING PROCESS. 
          THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT. 
          THIS CASE IS NOT ABOUT BEING ANTI DEMOLITION OR ANTI NEW CONSTRUCTION OR A NEIGHBORHOOD TRYING TO WEAPONIZE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          WE HAVE NOT OPPOSED THE DEMOLITION OF ANY AND ALL PROPERTIES. 
          8 26 HILDEBRAND 1107 WEST MAGNOLIA, 1105 WEST SUMMIT, 1006 WEST LINWOOD ARE PROOF OF THAT. 
          WE HAVE FOUR NEW HOMES AND A DUPLEX BUILT BY MP TWO FOUR HOMES WITH BUILDING PERMITS BY TERRAMARK FOUR TOWNHOMES IN DESIGN, ALL THAT HAVE RECEIVED SOME KIND OF ZONING OR VARIANCE SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT HELPS PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT IS UP TO THE COMMUNITY TO PRESERVE THE CULTURE AND HISTORY. 
          THIS CASE IS ALSO ABOUT THE ABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY AS A COLLECTIVE TO BE ABLE TO HONOR AND PRESERVE THOSE EXAMPLES THAT CLEARLY REFLECT MILESTONES IN AND OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND MOVE THIS STATE FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FINAL CONSIDERATION. 
          MR. CHAIR, THAT'S ACTUALLY SIMA COLVIN THAT WAS ON THE LINE, AND SO SHE STATED HER COMMENT. 
          UH, I GIVE IT BACK TO YOU NOW, SIR. 
          . 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, DR. 
          HAY, A REBUTTAL. 
          UH, I, I'M SORRY, I I COULDN'T HEAR 
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YOU, COMMISSIONER, DID YOU, UM, DID YOU ASK, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF ME? DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL? DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL AT THIS POINT? OH, UM, UH, YEAH, UH, A COUPLE OF, UH, POINTS WERE MADE REGARDING THE CASES THAT, UM, WERE HEARD BY, UM, BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT THE, UM, THE CASE, UH, THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE. 
          UH, MS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, MR. CHAIR. 
          WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT IF YOU NEEDED TO ASK MS. COLVIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO DO. 
          SO SHE WAS ON THE CALL, SHE WAS A LIVE CALLER THAT WAS NOT A RECORDING. 
          AND SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER, WE'LL NEED TO, UH, TO COMPLETE THAT SO THAT WE CAN THEN PLAY THE VOICEMAILS FOR THE ITEM. 
          I APOLOGIZE, STAFF. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, UH, FOR MS. COLVIN? UH, YES, COMMISSIONER, UH, GREATHOUSE. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, AND COMMISSIONER GIBBS WILL, YOU'LL BE NEXT. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, MS. COLVIN, I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU, UM, WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, ABLE TO MEET WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO, UM, DISCUSS THE APPLICATION? UM, OR ANY, WAS ANY OUTREACH, UM, ATTEMPTS WERE THOSE MADE? W WE HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE OWNER'S, UH, AGENT, THE DAUGHTER OF THE OWNER, UM, ANNA RIO, THE REAL ESTATE AGENT, UH, SINCE MAY OF LAST YEAR. 
          AND THERE HAD BEEN MULTIPLE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH TALKING ABOUT THEIR, UH, PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          AND WE HAD, THEY HAD MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO DEMOLISH THE HOME AND BUILD TOWN HOMES. 
          UH, WE HAD RESPONDED THAT, YOU KNOW, DEMOLITION WASN'T, UH, ALWAYS, UH, VIEWED POSITIVELY BY NEIGHBORS AND WE ALSO THEN AT THAT POINT GAVE THEM A COPY OF OUR N C D FIVE DESIGN STANDARDS SO THAT THEY COULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO THEIR DESIGN FEATURES. 
          UM, WE DID HAD SOME OTHER EMAILS BACK AND FORTH ON DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH, AND THEN IT SORT OF LAGGED. 
          UH, AND THEN THE, IN SEPTEMBER WE HEARD FROM A, A NEIGHBOR THAT SHE'D HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE AGENT. 
          AND A FEW DAYS AFTER THAT WE RECEIVED THE EMAIL FROM O H P REGARDING THE DEMOLITION. 
          AND WE DID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD COMMUNICATION AND WE HAVE WITH THE DISTRICT ONE OFFICE, WE HAD REQUESTED SEVERAL TIMES TO TRY TO HAVE A MEETING WITH ALL THREE OF US, BUT THAT WAS NEVER, UH, ACHIEVED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I, I THINK THAT WAS A NO ANSWER FROM HER, THAT SHE HAS NOT TALKED TO THE APPLICANT DIRECTLY. 
          SO NOW THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED HIS CA OR NOT THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE HAS PRESENTED HIS CASE, HE HAS WITHDRAWN THE DEMOLITION, HE'S RESTORING IT TO HISTORIC VALUE. 
          ARE YOU IN, ARE YOU NOW OPPOSED TO THE DESIGNATION OF THE HISTORIC? YEAH, ARE YOU ASKING IF, HOLD ON. 
          SORRY. 
          THIS IS JUST FOR, UH, MS. COLVIN. 
          UH, MR. VELASQUEZ, WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MS. COLVIN. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          AM I UNDERSTANDING, IF IS THE QUESTION, ARE WE NOW OPPOSED TO THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, GIVEN THE TESTIMONY OF THE, OF THE GRANDSON TODAY? THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          UM, I COULD NOT MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON THE SPOT. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NORMAL CHANNELS ON BOTH AND SO FORTH, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          I THINK THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE THERE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE RE RESTORATION THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, THEY HAD DONE WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT, WHICH THEN CREATED A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAD TO REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          AND BECAUSE WHAT THEY WERE REQUESTING WAS ALSO IN VIOLATION OF OUR M C D, UM, THAT WAS THE D R C TOOK A LOOK AT THAT, AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME THEY WITHDREW THAT. 
          SO DO WE APPRECIATE THAT THEY WITHDREW THAT REQUEST? YES. 
          BUT WAS IT BECAUSE IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WENT ABOUT IT THE WRONG WAY, SO THEY DIDN'T PULL THE PERMIT THAT GOT CAUGHT BY THE STRIKE FORCE, THEN THEY FINALLY AGREE, YOU KNOW, SAW THE WRITING ON THE WALL AND DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD WITHDRAW 
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THAT REQUEST. 
          SO IT'S NOT AS IF THEY HAVE BEEN PROACTIVELY, UM, DOING WHAT I WOULD, BEING, WHAT I WOULD CALL GOOD ACTORS. 
          WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PROCESS WORKED THOUGH, IN WHAT YOU WERE SEEKING AND THAT WAS A RESTORATION OF WHAT YOU ALL CONSIDERED TO BE A HISTORIC HOME. 
          SO ARE YOU WILLING TO MEET THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY SOMEPLACE WHERE HE SAYS, I JUST DON'T WANT THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, BUT I WILL, I WILL RESTORE IT TO HISTORIC DESIGN. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE PROCESS IS ALL ABOUT. 
          SO ARE YOU, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MEET HIM IN THAT COMPROMISE?  AND, AND MS. GIBBONS, I APPRECIATE THE POINTS THAT YOU'RE MAKING. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING I I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE GROUP ON THE SPOT, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS, I THINK THAT ONE, AND I, AND I DID TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS, UM, IN THE POWERPOINT, BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES HERE IS THAT WE, WE TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE STORY OF THE HISTORY OF THIS FAMILY, AND I UNDERSTAND HIS POINT, IF YOU DIG DEEP ENOUGH, YOU CAN FIND OTHERS. 
          AND, AND THAT'S TRUE. 
          THE HOUSE, THE OTHER HOUSE THAT'S ON HISTORIC DESIGNATION TODAY IS FORMERLY CARMEN TAFOYA. 
          AND SO YES, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SEVERAL HOUSES THAT HAVE GOOD HISTORIES, BUT I THINK DOUG, I'M JUST CUT OFF RIGHT THERE, THERE 'CAUSE WE WANNA STAY TO THE QUESTION. 
          SO I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING YOU, YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, UM, BUT YOU ARE GOING TO GET A HISTORIC VALUE OUT OF THE HOUSE AT THIS POINT, JUST NOT THE DESIGNATION. 
          SO SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT HERE TODAY. 
          AND I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I'M DONE. 
          I'M, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. COLVIN? I SEE NONE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. COLVIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF, IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO THE VOICEMAILS, PLEASE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME IS CYNTHIA SPIELMAN. 
          I LIVE AT 900 WEST WOODLAWN. 
          MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 396-3688. 
          UM, I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SIX, CASE 0 1 4. 
          UM, WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR 1206 AGARITA BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPORTANT SITE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WILL DO AND WILL NOT IMPEDE, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT THE OWNER INTENDS. 
          I KNOW WE'VE RECENTLY BEEN ACCUSED OF WEAPONIZING HISTORIC DESIGNATION, BUT THAT SIMPLY ISN'T TRUE. 
          IT, IT WOULD BE TRUE IF THIS HOUSE LEFT THE IMPORTANT ARCHITECTURAL, UM, ELEMENTS OR THE HISTORY OF ITS OCCUPANTS WAS NOT IMPORTANT, IS NOT OPPOSED ALL DEMOLITIONS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SOMETIMES THE HOMES ARE REALLY BEYOND REPAIR OR IS INSIGNIFICANT. 
          THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU APPROVE HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR 1206 AND ALLOW IT TO GO ON CITY COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, THIS IS HECTOR CARDENA, UH, 5 39 WEST EL SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. 
          CALLING ABOUT, UH, 1206 AGARITA. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT HOLDING LANDMARK DESIGNATION, HISTORIC DESIGNATION, ANYTHING THAT WILL STOP, UH, THE DEMOLITION OF SUCH A HOUSE. 
          UH, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE DEMOS IN OUR HOUSE. 
          WE DON'T WANNA BE ANOTHER TOBIN HILL. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH APARTMENTS IN, IN, UH, ALGA VISTA, BEACON HILL. 
          UH, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER, UH, ESPECIALLY ANOTHER, ANOTHER DEMOLITION. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          MY NUMBER IS 2 1 0 8 3 1 10 81. 
          THIS IS FOR THE PETITION FOR 1206 AGARITA FOR LANDMARK DE UH, DESIGNATION. 
          THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, MR. CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH DR. 
          HAY. 
          NORMALLY I'D GIVE YOU A REBUTTAL AT THIS POINT, BUT I GAVE YOU ONE EARLIER AND I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
          SO YOU CAN BUILD IN WHATEVER REBUTTAL IN THE, WHATEVER REBUTTAL IN THOSE ANSWERS THAT YOU GIVE. 
          UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE, SO TO YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I HAVE, UM, SOME QUESTIONS FOR, UM, O H P, FOR DR. 
          HAY. 
          UM, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS PER YEAR WOULD YOU SAY THAT O H P REVIEWS? JUST KIND OF MORE OR LESS JUST TO GET AN IDEA. 
          UM, APPLICATIONS 
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FOR DEMOLITION Y YEAH, WELL, APPLICATIONS FOR DEMOTION THAT THEN I GUESS WERE, WERE YOUR STAR STARTING THE HISTORIC REVIEW PROCESS. 
          UH, UM, SOMEWHERE IN THE REALM OF, UH, UH, 12 TO 15 AT THE MOST PER YEAR THAT, THAT START WITH THE, LIKE, WHERE YOU GUYS START DIGGING INTO WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY MEETS ANY OF THE FACTORS IN U D C FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M FULLY UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION, SO LET ME KIND OF GIVE YOU A, A, A BROAD OVERVIEW. 
          SO WE JUST, FOR INSTANCE, LAST YEAR, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE REVIEWED 500, JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN 500 REQUESTS FOR DEMOLITION. 
          UM, O P'S APPROVAL IS REQUIRED FOR ALL OF THOSE REQUESTS. 
          UM, FEWER THAN A THIRD OF THOSE, UM, REQUIRE, UH, A SORT OF FULL REVIEW, UM, WHICH TAKES ABOUT 30 DAYS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE U D C ALLOWS US. 
          AND, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT STAFF IS DOING IS, UH, DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE, UM, PROPERTIES. 
          AND, UM, OF, OF THAT GROUP, UH, VERY, VERY FEW, UM, COME FORWARD, UH, FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION FOR DESIGNATION BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE, UM, O H P STAFF, UH, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE AGREED THAT IT IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, THAT CASE WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION INITIALLY. 
          SO, UM, UH, THE U D C ALLOWS, UM, FOR ANYONE TO BRING FORWARD A QUESTION OF, UH, SIGNIFICANCE TO THE COMMISSION. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE. 
          SO AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING A HANDFUL OF CASES A YEAR, UM, THAT WE RECEIVE OF THOSE, UH, LIKE FIVE OR FEWER. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU. 
          YOU COVERED KIND OF WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO WITH MY QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO ANYONE CAN APPLY THEN, AND IS THAT, IS IT, IS THE, ARE, IS THE PROCESS TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY IF IT IS A, A THIRD PARTY, LET'S SAY, VERSUS THE CITY OR THE OWNER INITIATED? SO IS THAT PROCESS ANY DIFFERENT OR IS IT JUST REQUIRED TO MEET THE EXACT SAME, UM, STANDARDS OR CONSIDERATIONS THAT IT WOULD BE IF, IF O H P OR THE PROPERTY OWNER INITIATED THE CASE? THAT'S, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, THE PROPERTY, THE, THE QUESTION OF ELIGIBILITY IS THE SAME FOR ANY PROPERTY. 
          SO NO MATTER WHO IS BRINGING THE, THE CASE FOR A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FORWARD, THE PROPERTY WOULD STILL NEED TO MEET THREE CRITERIA. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO'S ASKING. 
          UM, NOW IF THE PROCESS IS DIFFERENT, UM, IF, UH, IF THE OWNER IS OPPOSED TO DESIGNATION, UM, THE, UH, THE ONLY INITIATION OF THE DESIGNATION ITSELF, WHICH IS A ZONING CHANGE, UM, CAN, THAT CAN ONLY OCCUR IF THE PROPERTY OWNER BRINGS FORWARD A REQUEST OR IF THE CITY COUNCIL INITIATES A REQUEST. 
          AND SO IN THIS CASE, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGREED WITH BEACON HILL THAT IT WAS, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          AND SO THE CASE WAS HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL AND THEN CITY COUNCIL SAID, YES, GO AHEAD AND INITIATE THIS DESIGNATION CASE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS ALSO VERY HELPFUL. 
          UM, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, AND THAT IS ON THE, THE CRITERIA, AND THIS IS A QUESTION I THINK THAT, THAT I'VE HAD BASED ON SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS CASES, AND IT'S JUST YOU GUYS TYPICALLY GO INTO THREE FACTORS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THERE'S SOMETIMES BEEN A QUESTION ON WOLF, IT ONLY MEETS THREE OUT OF THE 16. 
          WHY DO YOU STOP THERE? LIKE HOW, IF, IF THERE'S 16 POTENTIAL FACTORS, WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT 10 OF THEM? WHY ARE WE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THREE? IS THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO DO THREE AND SO YOU JUST STOP ONCE YOU'VE HIT THREE? OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS JUST DON'T, OR OR IS IT BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY ONLY HAS THREE, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK SO. 
          I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING AND AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE, UM, YEAH, WE, WE DO HEAR THIS, UM, UH, QUITE OFTEN. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE 16 CRITERIA THAT ARE LISTED IN THE U D C ARE LARGELY BASED ON THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S, UM, STANDARDS, WHICH IS SORT OF THE FEDERAL LEVEL BEST PRACTICES FOR, UM, FOR RECOGNIZING AND DESIGNATING, UM, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES. 
          SO, UM, SO HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, UH, VARIETY IN THE KIND OF HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND SO, UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE, THIS VERSION OF THE U D C WAS WRITTEN, BUT WHEN THESE CRITERIA WERE CRAFTED, I THINK THERE WAS REALLY CAREFUL CONSIDERATION AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAPTURED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER PROPERTY SIGNIFICANT AS SAN ANTONIANS. 
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SO, SO 16, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE BACKGROUND OF WHY THERE'S SO MANY, UM, YOU, YOU'VE SORT OF HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY IT'S OFTEN THREE. 
          UM, THE REQUIREMENT IS THREE AND, UH, STAFF, UM, AND ALSO I WOULD SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN THIS CASE, WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BRING FORWARD THAT INITIAL, UH, REQUEST TO SHOW THAT THIS IS HISTORICALLY, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. 
          YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S STRAPPED FOR RESOURCES, EVERYBODY'S STRAPPED FOR TIME. 
          AND SO, UM, SPENDING THE TIME TO, TO DOCUMENT VERY CAREFULLY THOSE THREE, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT IT IS ELIGIBLE, UM, IS, IS TYPICALLY THE, THE WORK THAT IS DONE. 
          SO, UM, THERE CERTAINLY COULD BE ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND, UH, WITH UNLIMITED RESOURCES, I'M SURE WE COULD TURN UP SOME REALLY INTERESTING THINGS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS ALSO VERY HELPFUL. 
          UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          UM, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY, UM, FOR US, WHAT EXACTLY IS OUR PURVIEW IN THE HISTORIC CASES? 'CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE, I'VE STRUGGLED WITH IN THE PAST. 
          SO COULD WE JUST GET FROM STAFF KIND OF A STATEMENT OF WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT HERE, UM, AND WHAT'S OUR PURVIEW? THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, THIS IS CHRISTIE. 
          THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THIS IS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A, OR APPLICATION OF A ZONING OVERLAY. 
          AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IT IS WITHIN THE ZONING CONDITION PURVIEW. 
          SO THE ADDITION OF THE HL TO THE ZONING IS, IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT AS FAR AS QUESTIONING THE FINDINGS OF H D R C OR OF CITY COUNCIL, ALTERNATIVELY QUESTIONING THE SUBSTANCE OF THOSE FINDINGS IS THAT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, UH, IT'S SUBJECTIVE AND IT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          HOWEVER, THE PURVIEW FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION IS SOLELY ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OR THE APPLICATION OF THE ZONING OVERLAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          AND THEN FINAL QUESTION, UM, I I, I, I BELIEVE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS WAS, WAS SUGGESTING, AND I'M, AND I MAYBE HAVE, HAVE GOTTEN THIS WRONG, BUT WAS SUGGESTING THAT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL FOR THIS, FOR THERE TO BE, UM, A, A MIDDLE GROUND WHERE THEY WOULD BE DOING A HISTORIC RENOVATION TO THE PROPERTY, BUT WITHOUT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OVERLAY APPLIED TO THE PROPERTY. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK, WOULD THE CITY HAVE ANY, OR O H P, WOULD THEY HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER ENFORCING THAT? IF, IF THAT WAS THE CASE? NO, IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE ENFORCED. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS CHRISTIE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR DR. 
          HAY AND OR THE A I'M SORRY, THE OWNER? UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, IT'S A QUESTION FOR DR. 
          HAY. 
          I BELIEVE, UM, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER HAD MENTIONED THAT AT THE, UM, I BELIEVE HE WAS REFERENCING THE H D R C MEETING, THAT THERE WAS NOT A, A MAJORITY VOTE BECAUSE SOME OF THE, THE CHAIR DISAGREED. 
          UM, I, I WAS CURIOUS IF, IF YOU COULD KIND OF ENLIGHTEN ME ON, ON, ON, ON THAT MEETING. 
          SURE. 
          SO THE CASE THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY WAS HEARD BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AND THERE WAS A MAJORITY VOTE. 
          THERE WAS NOT A SUPER MAJORITY APPROVAL OF THIS CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          UH, TO REAL QUICK, DID DR. 
          HAY, UM, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED IT TO PASS? JUST THE MAJORITY? SO THE MAJORITY PASSES THE CASE FORWARD. 
          UM, IN ORDER FOR THIS CASE TO GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, A SUPER MAJORITY WAS, IS NEEDED AT EITHER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION OR AT THE ZONING COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT DID NOT GET A SUPER MAJORITY TO GO ON TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
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RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION THEN FOR, UM, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          IS HE STILL THERE? YES. 
          UM, WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC, IF YOU'RE PROCEEDING WITH HISTORIC RENOVATIONS, IF YOU HAD THE DESIGNATION, SUPPOSEDLY YOU CAN FILE, UM, AN APPLICATION AND YOU MAY GET, UM, SOME FUNDS NEEDED TO RESTORE TO HISTORIC VALUE. 
          YEAH, SO PRETTY MUCH, UH, THE REASON WE'RE OPPOSED TO THE HISTORIC, UH, DESIGNATION IS JUST THE AMOUNT OF OVERSIGHT THAT LIKE THE, WE'VE ALREADY, LIKE, LIKE THE, LIKE THE CASE SAID, I THINK WE STARTED BACK IN AUGUST THE WHOLE PROCESS OF, UM, EITHER BEING DESIGNATED OR NOT. 
          AND WE'RE, I KNOW IT'S A COVID YEAR, SO I MEAN, IT'S EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WE'RE ALREADY IN MAY, WE BARELY WERE, UM, ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, A MONTH AGO TO START, UH, THE RENOVATION PROCESS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THE, THERE'S A DIFFICULTY WITH MY GRANDFATHER WHO IS, UH, FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY NOT UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS OF WHY A HOME HE PURCHASED IS NOW, UM, UNDER THE, THE VIEW OF SO MANY DIFFERENT EYES OF WHAT HE CAN OR CANNOT DO. 
          UM, AND I'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN THIS TO MY GRANDFATHER MANY TIMES, AND WHEN WE WERE NOT UNDER THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, WE WERE TOLD TO, UH, WELL, HE WAS WANTING TO, UH, MOVE, UH, THE FRONT DOOR TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PORCH AND THEN HAVE TO FEW WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          AND HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE COULDN'T DO THAT. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY WE'VE LEARNED FROM THE PROCESS ON TOP OF KNOWING THAT NOW BEACON HILL ITSELF HAS, HAS A, HAS I GUESS, A PURVIEW OR A JURISDICTION TO STOP YOU FROM MOVING ANYTHING IN THE FRONT OF THE FACADE OF THE HOME. 
          WE ARE AGREEING TO, UM, TO REMOVE WHAT MY GRANDFATHER HAD DONE AND THEN RESTORE THE PROPERTY TO HOW IT HAD ORIGINALLY LOOKED ON THE FRONT. 
          AND BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR IS JUST NOT HAVING SO MUCH OVERSIGHT SO THAT I DON'T HAVE A HEADACHE OF HAVING TO BE THE MIDDLEMAN BETWEEN MY GRANDFATHER AND HISTORIC SOCIETY AND THEN BEACON HILL. 
          SO HAVING TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT ARE OPPOSING HIS VIEW. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, OUR WHOLE GOAL AT THIS PROPERTY NOW IS TO RESTORE IT WITH LIKE MATERIALS. 
          LIKE I SAID, WE PUT CEDAR, UM, UM, SIDING ALL OVER THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE FLOORBOARDS OF THE PORCH MATERIAL, UM, WHICH IS GONNA BE MORE ORIGINAL THAN THE TWIN HOUSE TO THE LEFT, WHICH IS, UM, BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES , WHICH IT IS FROM THE SAME AREA, FROM THE SAME BUILDER. 
          BUT THAT HOME ITSELF HAS A CONCRETE PORCH AND METAL COLUMNS ON TOP OF HAVING AC UNITS STICKING OUT OF IT THROUGHOUT THE THING. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOT A DIFFERENT STYLE SIDING. 
          UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S BEEN RESTORED TO NOT APPROPRIATE STANDARDS FROM WHAT WE HAVE. 
          ANOTHER ISSUE MY GRANDPA HAS THAT WHY THAT HOUSE WAS ALLOWED TO DO THAT AND MINE IS SO, I GUESS LOOKED DOWN UPON. 
          SO ON TOP OF THE TAX CREDITS, SINCE IT'S A RENOVATION, HE'S NOT GONNA LIVE IT. 
          UM, AND UM, IT'S JUST NOT WORTH THE HEADACHE TO HAVE TO THOSE TAX CREDITS. 
          UM, FOR THE HEADACHE OF HAVING MORE OVERSIGHT. 
          AND THE TAX CREDITS AREN'T A SURE THING, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE APPLICATIONS FOR IT. 
          YOU MAY GET IT, YOU MAY NOT GET IT. 
          I MEAN, THEY MAY VIEW THE HOUSE AS NOT BEING, UM, THAT SIGNIFICANT IN HISTORIC VALUE AND YOU GET DECLINED. 
          SO I COULD SEE, I COULD SEE REASONING IN THAT. 
          UM, WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED, UM, YOU'VE HEARD THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE GOING ABOUT IT THE WAY YOU ARE. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, COMMERS. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE HERE. 
          WHEN WAS THE C D PUT INTO PLACE FOR BEACON? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK, BUT WE'RE THINKING IT'S 2008, BUT IT HAD AN AMENDMENT. 
          SO JUST ONE MOMENT PLEASE. 
          SURE. 
          WHILE WE'RE PULLING UP THAT INFORMATION, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, SURE. 
          SO I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE 
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DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE N C D AND THE HL, UH, STATUS OF IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT ONE IS LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN THE OTHER, AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE IS. 
          UM, AND MY INITIAL QUESTION WAS ABOUT WHETHER THE CURRENT OR THE FORMER, UM, OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY HAD BEEN INFORMED THAT THERE WAS AN N C D AND PERHAPS SHOULD HAVE COMMUNICATED THAT TO THE CURRENT OWNER. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL BEACON HILL N C D WAS ADOPTED IN 2005. 
          IT WAS BEEN AMENDED, UH, WITH UPDATES IN 2017. 
          UH, THE BEACON HILL, THE NCDS ARE, UH, BLACK AND WHITE STANDARDS. 
          UH, AND IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, UH, THAT IS REVIEWED DURING AN APPLICATION IF, UH, ANYONE WANTS TO VARY FROM THOSE STANDARDS. 
          THE PROCESS TO VARY FROM IT IS A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT VARIANCE, HISTORIC IT ARE, UH, GUIDELINES. 
          UH, HOWEVER HISTORIC HAS A PUBLIC, UH, HEARING, UH, APPROVAL PROCESS IF REQUIRED TO A, TO A HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          UM, SO DE DEPENDING ON THE COMPLEXITY OF THE ISSUE, ONE CAN BE ONE CAN OVERRIDE THE OTHER. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT DOES NOT REGULATE DEMOLITION, BUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS DO. 
          SO THEREFORE IN THAT CONTEXT, HISTORIC DISTRICT WOULD OVERRIDE. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS ANSWER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO IF WE WERE TO DENY THE, UM, THE HL TODAY, THEN COULD THE APPLICANT STILL RETURN BACK THEN AND ASK FOR ANOTHER DEMOLITION PERMIT? YES, THEY COULD. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, DETECTIVE. 
          WE'RE ALREADY, UH, VERY INVESTED IN THE RENOVATION. 
          WE'VE ALREADY PUT WINDOWS FLOOR, MR. VELASQUEZ, I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED A QUESTION. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, LET ME, UH, SEE IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HAS A QUESTION AT THIS POINT. 
          UH, SEEING NONE, UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR DR. 
          HAY. 
          UH, DR. 
          HAY, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE TAX CREDITS, YOU KNOW, PRESUMING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS USED OR HAS MET THE GUIDELINES REQUIRED BY THE H D R C IN A PUBLIC HEARING THAT THEY WOULD BE ENTITLED AS OF RIGHT TO TAX CREDITS AND THEY HAVE TWO POSSIBLE ELECTIONS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT THERE? UM, THE TAX CREDIT PROCESS, UH, UM, HAS A, UH, CERTIFICATION AND A VERIFICATION STEP. 
          SO A CERTIFICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK, UM, GETS APPROVAL THROUGH THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, UM, AS IS REQUIRED. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE VERIFICATION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE AS IT WAS, UM, APPROVED. 
          UM, AND, UH, IF A PROPERTY OWNER GOES THROUGH BOTH OF THOSE STEPS, THEY RECEIVE THE, UM, THEY RECEIVE THE INCENTIVE, UH, YES, THERE'S NO CONSIDERATION OF MORE OR LESS SIGNIFICANCE. 
          IT'S REALLY ABOUT, UH, THE WORK BEING APPROVED AS IS REQUIRED BY THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, UM, AND THEN VERIFIED THAT IT'S BEEN COMPLETED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU DR. 
          UM, MR. VELAZQUEZ, I THINK I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH RE WITH RESPECT TO YOUR INVESTMENT HERE. 
          UH, BUT MR. VELAZQUEZ, TO YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, I AM CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHY YOU DON'T, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE HISTORIC STANDARDS AS YOU'VE INDICATED, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THE, THE TAX CREDITS? YEAH, SO PRETTY MUCH, UM, JUST THE SPEED OF, UH, THE PROCESS OF FINISHING THE HOME, LIKE I SAID, WE STARTED IN AUGUST. 
          UM, BACK THEN MY GRANDFATHER HAD A CONTRACTOR, SUE MENDOZA, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO PULL PERMITS, WHICH WE LATER GOT SHUT DOWN BECAUSE HE APPARENTLY JUST WENT TO THE D S D, TALKED TO THE SOMEONE THERE, BUT NEVER FILLED OUT ANY, ANY PERMITTING OR PAID FOR ANYTHING, HENCE WHY WE WERE SHUT DOWN BY THE STRIKE FORCE. 
          UM, I MYSELF AM A CONTRACTOR AND I HAD TO COME IN AND NOW TAKE OVER FROM MY GRANDPA BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I DON'T LIKE WORKING WITH HIM JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY OF HIS NATURE. 
          AND ALL WE ARE HOPING FOR IS HERE TO, IS TO FINISH THE PROPERTY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, TO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH SO MANY, UM, MEETINGS, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYONE IS EXTREMELY BUSY. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN STARTING WITH THIS PROCESS SINCE AUGUST AND WE'RE STILL BARELY HERE UP TO AN, UH, HISTORIC, UH, LIKE A ZONING MEETING, AND WE JUST 
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REALLY WANT TO FINISH THE PROPERTY AND GET, UM, GO TO THE NEXT INVESTMENT. 
          UM, AND JUST GOING WITH THE HISTORIC THING, IT'S JUST BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A REAL HEADACHE FOR MY GRANDFATHER TO JUST MEET HIS IDEAL OF WHAT HE WANTS THE PROPERTY WITH THE MORE STRICT GUIDELINES. 
          UM, BUT DEON, DEACON HILL ITSELF HAS ITS OWN GUIDELINES, WHICH WE ARE RESPECTING AND USING NOW IN THE PROCESS OF OUR HOME, UM, RESTORATION. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT END. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          THA ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MR. VELASQUEZ. 
          AND I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR. 
          UH, YOU YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, NOW, AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT, YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE DECISION OR THE LACK OF A DECISION TO NOT PULL PERMITS PREVIOUSLY? THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IN YOUR LAST ANSWER, RIGHT? I WAS NOT AT THAT POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M THE ONE THAT PULLED PERMITS ONCE WE TALKED TO THE STRIKE FORCE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT, THAT'S WHEN I STARTED GETTING INVOLVED. 
          SO YOU GOT INVOLVED AFTER THE FACT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, MR. QUE THAT I TRY TO KEEP  DR. 
          HAY, LET ME, LET ME ASK THIS. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK WE ALL CAN, UH, UH, SYMPATHIZE WITH, UH, SOMETIMES NOT WILLING TO DEAL WITH FAMILY AND BUSINESS. 
          UM, CERTAINLY I CAN, UH, DR. 
          HAY, UH, QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          NOW, LET'S SAY THAT, UH, MR. VELAZQUEZ, AS HE HAS INDICATED HERE TODAY, AND WE HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT THAT HE WON'T STAND BY HIS WORD HERE. 
          LET'S SAY THAT THEY GO AHEAD AND THEY BUILD, UM, OR RENOVATE THIS PROPERTY IN A HISTORIC MANNER, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, COMPLYING WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES AS THEY UNDERSTAND THEM. 
          WOULD A FUTURE PURCHASER OF THIS PROPERTY BE ABLE TO SEEK HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION? ASSUMING THEY'VE DONE THIS KIND OF HISTORIC RENOVATION OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, MR. VELASQUEZ HAS, WHEN THE OWNER PURCHASES IT, CAN THEY SEEK HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION? YES, A FUTURE OWNER COULD SEEK HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THAT OWNER WOULD NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE TAX INCENTIVE IF THE WORK THAT'S DONE PREVIOUS TO THEIR PURCHASING THE STRUCTURE WAS NOT, DID NOT GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT I SORT OF DESCRIBED EARLIER. 
          SO DESIGNATION COULD OCCUR, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT IF THEY WANTED TO QUALIFY FOR THAT TAX INCENTIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THIS MAY BE BEYOND YOUR EXPERTISE, BUT WHAT, WHAT KIND OF INVESTMENT, UH, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE? SO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE TAX INCENTIVE, UH, THE, UM, THE OWNER MUST INVEST 30% OF THE IMPROVEMENT VALUE, UM, BACK INTO THE PROPERTY. 
          SO, UM, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY WOULD SIMPLY HAVE TO, TO MEET THAT THRESHOLD AND THEN, UM, HAVE THAT WORK. 
          UH, AGAIN, GO THROUGH THAT CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION PROCESS THAT I, THAT I MENTIONED, BUT IF THERE'S A, THERE'S 30% OF THE INVESTMENT VALUE, OR EXCUSE ME, OF THE IMPROVEMENT VALUE THAT MUST BE INVESTED BACK INTO THE HOME IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX CREDIT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. VELAZQUEZ AND JUST AGAIN, HELP ME CLARIFY MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, AS I'M LISTENING TO ALL THE DISCUSSION HERE IS, IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO DO THE RESTORATION BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE OVERSIGHT AND THE DELAYS AND YOU DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT ANY TAX CREDITS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, UH, HAVING YOUR PROPERTY DESIGNATED HISTORICAL? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH, LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANT TO FINISH THE PROPERTY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND, UM, GET IT ON THE MARKET AND TRY TO GET IT TO ANOTHER FAMILY TO START LIVING IN A BEAUTIFUL HOME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GO ANOTHER ROUND, LET'S, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE, I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. 
          UH, SO DR. 
          HAY, UM, ON THE FLIP SIDE OF, UH, COMMISSIONER BUS MONTE'S, UH, QUESTION. 
          SO IF, UM, THEY RESTORE THIS PROPERTY TO, UM, UNDER THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES NOW AND THEN THEY SELL IT, UM, WITHOUT THE HISTORIC, UH, LANDMARK DESIGNATION, THEN UM, 
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THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, THEN THE NEXT PURCHASER COULD POSSIBLY COME IN AND DEMOLISH IT OR, OR WITH THE N C D? THE N C D DOESN'T PREVENT THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO THE N C D, UM, DOES NOT, UH, NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS REGARDING DEMOLITION REVIEW. 
          UM, SO A FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER COULD, COULD COME IN AND REQUEST A MILION AND THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE, UM, H D R C REVIEW. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          I SEE COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, BEFORE WE GO TO YOU, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NO OTHER COMMISSIONER WHO HAS NOT ASKED QUESTIONS HAS ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          AND SEEING NONE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO MR. VE VELAZQUEZ, I WANTED YOU TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU DID. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF REPAIRS AND INVESTMENT THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THE HOUSE ALREADY SO FAR? UH, FROM WHAT I'VE TALKED TO MY GRANDFATHER UP WE'RE, UH, $35,000 IN, UM, THE PROPERTY WHEN WE PURCHASED IT WAS IN GRAVE DISREPAIR. 
          WHEN OUR FOUNDATION GUY CAME IN, THERE WAS A SIX INCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HIGH POINT OF THE PROPERTY AND THE LOW POINT OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO WE HAD TO PUT SUBSTANTIAL MONEY INTO LEVELING THE PROPERTY ON TOP OF, AT SOME POINT IN 2007, THE, THE OWNERS BEFORE US HAD REPLACED THE ENTIRE HOME'S WINDOWS WITH JUST YOUR, UH, HOME DEPOT LEVEL, VINYL WINDOWS. 
          AND SO WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND REPLACED THOSE WINDOWS WITH MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS. 
          BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAD ALSO IS THAT BEFORE KNOWING THE PROCESS, WE HAD ORDERED SOME LEVEL 1,100 WHICH APPARENTLY THE HISTORIC SOCIETY, THEIR MINIMUM, I GUESS, OR THE MORE HISTORIC LOOKING WINDOW BECAUSE OF A NAIL OFFSET, UM, ON THE WINDOWS STYLE IS THE LEVEL 1500 WINDOWS. 
          BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE VARIANCES THAT THEY ALLOWED JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE PROCESS THAT WE HAD ALREADY HAD PURCHASED THEM PRIOR TO THE REVIEW OR ANY OF THAT PROCESS ONGOING. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO HAD TO REDO THE WHOLE ELECTRICAL OF THE HOUSE. 
          WE'RE ADDING CENTRAL AIR. 
          UM, THESE HOMES, BEING THAT THEY'RE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, THEY DIDN'T HAVE CENTRAL AIR AND THEY HAVE WINDOW WINDOW UNITS. 
          SO WE ARE CURRENTLY PUTTING THE CENTRAL AIR IN AND OBVIOUSLY REPLUMBING IT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S BASICALLY BEING COMPLETELY RESTORED. 
          UM, THE FRONT ROOF LINE IS, IS ROTTED, SO WE'RE GONNA REPLACE ANY WOOD THAT HAS BEEN, THAT HAS ROTTED OUT WITH LIKE MATERIALS. 
          UM, SAME, LIKE I SAID, WITH THE PORCH. 
          THE PORCH IS COMPLETELY ROTTED AND MANY AREAS IS QUITE DANGEROUS, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND REPLACE IT WITH THE CEDAR TONGUE AND GROOVE, JUST WITH THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT, JUST TO SHOW HOMAGE TO THE CRAFTSMANSHIP THAT THE HOME USED TO HAVE. 
          UM, SAME THING WITH THE SIDING. 
          I MEAN, NOT THE SKIRT ON THE PROPERTY. 
          IT WAS, UM, MADE OUT OF STUCCO IN SOME AREAS. 
          AND, UH, SIDING PLANK ON THE OTHERS WERE COMPLETELY PUTTING A, UH, A, UH, WHAT YOU CALL IT, THE PLAIN SIDE OF THE SIDING, WHICH IS WHAT THE HISTORIC SIDE PREFERS INSTEAD OF THAT WOOD GRAIN LOOK, JUST TO LIKE GO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE HISTORIC SOCIETY AND OR THE BEACON STEEL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST TO MAKE IT, LIKE I SAID, THE MOST HISTORICALLY ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE AS WE CAN. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK THE, UM, THE RESTORATION OF A HISTORIC HOME MOSTLY IS ON THE EXTERIOR AND NOT SO MUCH ON THE INTERIOR. 
          SO YOU'VE GONE BEYOND WHAT HISTORIC WOULD REQUEST, UM, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, TO UPDATE IT TO A MODERN HOUSE, BUT WITH THE CHARACTER LOOK. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT WAS ENGRAVED DISPORT. 
          WE'VE GONE, BEFORE WE STARTED RENOVATING THE PROPERTY, IT USED TO HAVE SQUATTERS LIVING IN THERE, SO IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE IT WAS OBVIOUSLY ABANDONED AT SOME POINT, AT SOME POINT. 
          AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO JUST HELP THE AREA OUT, PUT A BRAND NEW HOUSE, LIKE BASICALLY A BRAND NEW HOUSE IN THE SENSE OF IT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY RENOVATED, BUT IT'LL HAVE THE SAME LOOK AND FEEL THAT IT DID A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          HOW BIG IS THE HOUSE? HOW MANY BEDROOMS? IT IS 2000. 
          WE, 2,200 SQUARE FEET. 
          IT'LL HAVE THREE BEDROOMS, UM, THREE AND A HALF BATH. 
          ARE YOU ADDING A BATH? WAS IT ALWAYS THREE AND A HALF? NO. 
          UH, AT SOME POINT THE PREVIOUS OWNER, IF YOU SEE THE LOT ON THE, WELL, THE TWO TWIN HOMES, AT SOME POINT, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS THE OWNER BEFORE US OR THE ONES BEFORE THEM. 
          THEY ADDED AN AN ADDITION AND THAT WAS A MASTER BATH THAT THEY ADDED TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          . 
          DO YOU THE, DO THE, DO YOU KNOW IF THE ADDITION WAS TO CODE? UM, I'M NOT SURE. 
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NOT SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING THOUGH, IS ALL GOING TO BE UP TO CODE AND READY FOR SALE? YEAH, WE'RE GETTING OUR INSPECTIONS WITH THE, WITH THE CITY. 
          UM, TODAY, I BELIEVE THE ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO CHECK OUR ELECTRICAL WORK. 
          UM, SAME THING WILL HAPPEN WITH THE PLUMBER, SAME THING WITH THE HVAC. 
          UM, SO YEAH, WE'RE  SO WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE A LOT OF CITY EYES ON YOUR HOUSE ALREADY. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, THE STRIKE TEAM  EXACTLY. 
          THE STRIKE TEAM KEEPS A, A NICE EYE ON US, SO, OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, WITH GOOD, WITH GOOD REASON, LIKE I SAID. 
          ALL RIGHT, LAST, I DIDN'T HOLD ANY PERMITS. 
          OKAY. 
          MY TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? YES, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, QUESTIONS TO STAFF, UM, FOR THE N C D STANDARDS, UM, BECAUSE I, I KNOW THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER MENTIONED NOT WANTING TO HAVE DELAY AND NOT WANTING TO DEAL WITH KIND OF THE ADDITIONAL BUREAUCRACY OF HISTORIC, UM, WITH THE N C D, ARE WE STILL GONNA HAVE SOME OF THAT PROCESS? WHAT, TELL ME WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, RENOVATE A, A PROPERTY THAT'S GOT AN N C D DESIGNATION. 
          WELL, THE N C D REVIEW WILL OCCUR DURING THE PERMIT, THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW, BUT BASICALLY EACH N C D THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY HAS DIFFERENT DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          AND SO IT WOULD BE HARD TO SAY WHAT SPECIFICALLY HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO, WHAT'S GOING TO BE APPLIED. 
          BUT WHATEVER'S IN THERE WILL BE APPLIED TO HIS REVIEW. 
          SO IT COULD HAVE TO DO WITH BUILDING HEIGHT, IT COULD HAVE TO DO WITH HAVING A PORCH. 
          IT COULD HAVE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DESIGN STANDARDS THAT HE MAY HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO, UM, TO GET THAT PERMIT . 
          SO AS FAR AS TIMING GOES, YOU COULD STILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL TIME IN ORDER FOR A PERMIT TO BE APPROVED UNDER AN N C D, JUST LIKE WITH THE HISTORIC, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY ADDITIONAL TIME. 
          I MEAN IT, SO IF YOU HAD A PROPERTY THAT HAD NO DESIGNATION ON IT VERSUS A PROPERTY THAT WAS EITHER N C D OR HISTORIC, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL REVIEW THAT THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO DO. 
          THERE WOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL QUOTE UNQUOTE RED TAPE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UM, DEAL WITH IN ORDER TO COMPLETE YOUR RENOVATIONS. 
          IT'S ALL DURING THE SAME REVIEW PROCESS, SO AS SOON AS THAT PERMIT COMES IN, IT TRIGGERS ALL OF THOSE REVIEWS, WHETHER IT BE FOR HISTORIC, WHETHER IT BE FOR M C B, IT ALL HAPPENS ALL TOGETHER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER INDICATED THAT, UM, THERE WAS MAYBE A LANGUAGE BARRIER, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FROM A, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC POLICY STANDPOINT THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ADEQUATE TRANSLATION SERVICES. 
          I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ALL OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS WE DO, BUT AS FAR AS O H P AND OTHER PROCESSES THAT FOLKS HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT HAVE TO INVOLVE THEIR OWN TRANSLATOR, BUT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP. 
          I KNOW THAT SOUNDED LIKE A STATEMENT, BUT IT WAS A QUESTION. 
          COULD YOU CONFIRM THAT ? IS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME OR FOR ZONING STAFF? I'M SORRY. 
          WHOMEVER CAN ANSWER IT. 
          SO, SO YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE DO, UM, PROVIDE TRANSLATION SERVICES. 
          THOSE ARE MADE AVAILABLE. 
          UM, AND WE, UH, CERTAINLY HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, WHAT LANGUAGE, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE MOST COMFORTABLE, UM, SPEAKING WITH US IN. 
          UM, AND YES, I, UM, THAT IS, UH, AN ACCESSIBILITY, UM, CONCERN THAT WE, WE HAVE AND, UH, ARE VERY DILIGENT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, UM, UH, A TRANSLATOR AVAILABLE. 
          THE SAME FOR US. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UH, D S D PROVIDES, UH, TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR ANYONE THAT COMES INTO THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS. 
          SO A QUESTION FOR STAFF, 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESSES HERE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE N C D AND THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY, WHICH AFFECT THE HEIGHT, THE FRONT, THE CURBS, BUFFERING, WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT THE APPLICANT IS STILL ALLOWED TO WORK WITHIN THE STRUCTURE. 
          I'M ASKING BECAUSE I'VE HEARD HIM SAY HE'S WORKING ON ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL, AND I GUESS PLUMBING. 
          IS THERE A SOMETHING THAT STOPS HIM FROM COMPLETING THE INTERIOR WORK? NO, THERE'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S PART OF THE N 
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C THAT DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO WORK WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT THE EXTERIOR, BUT IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, IF HE WANTS TO, I DON'T KNOW, DO ANY WORK BACK THERE? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT BARS HIM FROM PROCEEDING WHILE HE'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS? FOR THE, THE STREET VIEW, IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO IF HE'S TRYING TO ADD A BUILDING BACK THERE OR A GARAGE OR SOMETHING, THAT COULD BE AFFECTED BY THE REVIEW, BUT, BUT IF HE'S JUST DOING LANDSCAPING OR, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT HE'S WANTING TO DO RIGHT NOW WITH THE HOUSE, BUT I I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT, UM, HE CAN STILL PROCEED DOING THE INTERIOR WORK, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE A LITTLE FRUSTRATING WAITING FOR THE APPOINTMENTS TO DO THE EXTERIOR REVIEWS OF WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, HE CAN DO INTERIOR WORK AND LANDSCAPING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          MRS. IS PROBABLY GONNA BE MY LAST CALL. 
          NOPE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES SECOND ROUND. 
          YES, AND I, UM, ONLY BECAUSE, UH, COMMISSIONER  MCDANIEL ALSO MENTIONED SOMETHING, UM, AND THIS IS JUST A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF, EVEN IF THE PROPERTY WAS, WAS DESIGNATED HISTORIC, HISTORIC ALMOST 99% OF THE TIME DOES NOT HAVE PURVIEW OVER ANYTHING ON THE INTERIOR. 
          SO A HISTORIC DESIGNATION DOES NOT, UM, UH, UH, CREATE A BURDEN ON THE INTERIOR. 
          I MEAN, IF THE, IF IF THEY WANNA MOVE INTERIOR WALLS, INTERIOR DOORS PUT DOWN SHAG CARPETING, THAT'S NOT UP FOR, UH, UH, THE, THE H C R C DOES NOT HAVE PURVIEW OVER THAT. 
          IT'S ONLY EXTERIOR KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WAS IT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SIDE. 
          HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE MY LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS ON THE SECOND ROUND, WHICH WILL BE THE FINAL ROUND OF QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TWO ROUNDS OF QUESTIONS. 
          UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE, AND BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, SO AS IS OFTEN MY OPINION ON THESE CASES, UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          UM, GIVEN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, OUR PURVIEW, I FEEL LIKE IS VERY LIMITED. 
          UM, AND, AND GIVEN THE, THE IMMENSE, UM, AMOUNT OF OVERSIGHT AND PUBLIC PROCESS THAT THESE CASES GO THROUGH BEFORE THEY COME HERE WITH FOLKS WHO HAVE, UM, ARGUABLY, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION, BUT ARGUABLY LOADS MORE, UM, KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN THESE MATTERS THAN, THAN, THAN MOST OF US DO. 
          UM, SO I, I REALLY, UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO, TO SUPPORT, UM, THE REZONING, THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF, OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT IT IS, GOING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL IS THE, I THINK THAT'S THE MORE APPROPRIATE BODY TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION. 
          UM, THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE USE OR, UM, ADVERSELY AFFECT PROPERTIES AROUND, UM, AFFECT HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. 
          UM, I, I DON'T FIND ANY REASON TO NOT SUPPORT THIS, UM, BASED ON THE FACTORS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSIDERING, UM, THAT ARE IN THE CODE. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND IN FACT, FACTORS FOR US TO SUPPORT WOULD INCLUDE PUBLIC POLICY BECAUSE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF, UM, OF OUR CULTURE AND, AND PRESERVING OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE THAN JUST PRESERVING BUILDINGS, LIKE IN THIS CASE, IT'S PRESERVING THE STORY OF, OF A FAMILY WHO CONTRIBUTED HERE, WHETHER JUST THROUGH RESTAURANTS OR THROUGH, UM, FOUNDING A CHURCH OR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO WERE PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES. 
          UM, I, I'M NOT, THAT'S NOT MY, FOR ME TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S, UM, IF SOMEONE BEING A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE OR BEING A RESTAURATEUR IS, IS WORTHY, THAT'S NOT MY PURVIEW. 
          MY PURVIEW IS, IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT THE SPACE AND THE, THE PROPERTIES AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING IN OUR COMMUNITY? AND IN MY VIEW, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT. 
          AND, UM, THE PROCESS PROVIDES OBJECTIVE 
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STANDARDS. 
          SO FOR ANY, UM, ONE WHO'S CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WEAPONIZING BY A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S NOT CONTROLLING THOSE STANDARDS, THAT IS AN OBJECTIVE PROCESS. 
          IT GOES TO O H P, IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, IT GOES TO H D R C, IT COMES TO US, AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR ONE INDIVIDUAL OR ONE GROUP TO CONTROL THIS PROCESS AND IMPROPERLY IMPOSE, UM, RESTRICTIONS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. 
          THERE ARE PLENTY OF, OF SPACES FOR, FOR FOLKS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND FINALLY, JUST, I KNOW I'M GOING OVER MY TIME, BUT JUST ONE MORE POINT. 
          THE OWNERS ALREADY INDICATED THAT, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS TO HISTORIC STANDARDS AND THEIR CONCERNS INVOLVE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT WANTING TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PROCESS, WHICH THERE WERE ALREADY IN AN NCD, THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADDITIONAL PROCESS, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY PUTTING ANY ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THEM. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND WE'LL OPEN UP FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ALRIGHT, I HEARD, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AS THE SECOND. 
          SO THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, I THINK I SAW COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          UM, SO I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          HAD HAD THIS OWNER NOT FILED FOR A DEMOLITION PERMIT, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY IF THE HISTORIC VALUE WAS THERE, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOUGHT AT ON THIS HOUSE LONG BEFORE IT CAME TO THIS MAN. 
          UM, IT SAT VACANT, IT BECAME A BLIGHT ON THE COMMUNITY, AND NO ONE MADE ANY EFFORT. 
          I THINK THIS IS A HARDSHIP ON THIS, UH, FAMILY RIGHT NOW TO CONTINUE UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF HISTORIC. 
          THE REVIEWS DO GET DAUNTING. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT SIMPLE REVIEWS. 
          I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE MAYBE MADE IT SEEM LIKE THEY ARE, IF ONE, IF ONE DEPARTMENT SAYS, WELL, WE DON'T WANT THIS, THAT MAY CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, AND THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND MAKE APPOINTMENTS SHOW UP, KIND OF GET THE TWO, APPOINT TWO DEPARTMENTS TO SHAKE HANDS AND AGREE. 
          SO IT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS WHEN YOU HAVE TO ADD ONE MORE DEPARTMENT IN ON THAT. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THE TRANSLATION DIFFERENCE WAS HAPPENING TOO. 
          WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? THEY PURCHASED A HOME. 
          THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO DO ANY HISTORICAL TO IT AT THE TIME. 
          THAT'S A HARDSHIP ON THEM AS WELL. 
          NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE GOT, YOU'VE PILED ON THEM A LOT MORE TO BE DONE. 
          I THINK THIS, UH, OWNER SOUNDS TO BE GENUINE AND AUTHENTIC TO BUILD A HOUSE TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE. 
          AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING. 
          NOBODY ELSE CARED ABOUT IT EVEN PRIOR. 
          NEITHER DID I APPRECIATE BEACON HILL, AND I APPRECIATE TIER ONE COMING OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY DIDN'T BEFORE IT WAS PURCHASED. 
          WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOMEBODY WHO BOUGHT A HOUSE, HAS THE MONEY TO RESTORE, AND NOW YOU WANNA BURDEN THEM WITH HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          THIS OWNER OWNS THAT PROPERTY, AND WE MUST RESPECT THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO OWN HOUSES AND NOT USE THESE TYPE OF TECHNIQUES TO WEAPONIZE THEM LIKE HE SAYS, AND TO PUNISH THEM. 
          HE'S GONNA RESTORE IT. 
          HE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          I THINK THE PROCESS WAS SUCCESSFUL AND WHAT IT DID, WHAT ITS INTENTION WAS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION. 
          UH, UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES, I FINALLY GOT TO YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, I, I APPRECIATE WHAT THE, THE HOMEOWNER OR THE HAS DONE. 
          UM, AND, UH, BUT, UM, LIKE I DISAGREE WITH, UH, THE ASSERTION THAT IT'S A, A VERY BURDENSOME PROCESS. 
          UM, I LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHEN I'VE REPLACED MY ROOF AND CHANGED THE COLOR, REPAINTED THE PARTS OF THE HOUSE THAT AREN'T STONE OUTSIDE, UM, PUT UP A FENCE, REDID THE FRONT DOOR, UM, AND SOME OTHER EXTERIOR WORK. 
          AND THE, THE, IT WAS VERY EASY BECAUSE I JUST WENT DOWN TO THE CITY, JUST WENT AND ACTUALLY TALKED AT THE, UH, AT THE, AT THE, THE FRONT DESK. 
          AND THEY WERE ALL ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED BECAUSE THEY SAID, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A SIMPLE, SIMPLE CHANGE OR A SIMPLE, 
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UM, UH, UH, RENOVATION. 
          AND IT DID NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE, TO THE ACTUAL COMMITTEE ITSELF. 
          UM, AND I DID THAT ALL BEFORE I WAS ON THE ZONING COMMISSION WHERE I BECAME MORE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE DOWNTOWN OFFICE. 
          UM, SO, SO YOU'VE ALREADY GOTTA GO DOWNTOWN TO GET A PERMIT TO DO, UM, INTERIOR RENOVATION WHEN IT INVOLVES ELECTRICAL AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, SO IT, IT'S JUST GOING FROM ONE COUNTER OVER TO THE NEXT COUNTER. 
          UM, AND MOST OF THE TIME IF, IF, IF THE INTENT IS JUST TO REPLACE WITH IN LIKE KIND, IT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY DONE IN, IN 30 MINUTES. 
          SO IT'S, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT MUCH OF A BURDEN. 
          AND I HATE TO USE THE WORD BURDEN BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS THAT THEN COME WITH WHEN TRYING TO SELL THE HOUSE. 
          BEING ABLE TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, RESTORED HISTORIC HOME. 
          I THINK CARRIES A A A LOT MORE, UH, THANK YOU. 
          WEIGHT. 
          AS FAR AS PRICE. 
          SORRY, I DIDN'T, I WASN'T PAYING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER S SIPS. 
          , I WAS. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION? , UH, SEEING NONE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AS CHAIRMAN, I'LL TAKE THE LAST WORD HERE. 
          UH, I THINK WE'VE ALL HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE, SO I WON'T SAY MUCH. 
          THIS WAS A TREMENDOUSLY CLOSE CASE, UH, CLOSER TO ME THAN ANY OF THE PREVIOUS EIGHT, UH, HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION CASES. 
          UM, BUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL DOES SWAY ME AND THE SUPPORT OF THE DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, WE WILL GO ON TO A ROLL CALL VOTE STAFF. 
          THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          DR. 
          JONES? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAM? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE? NO. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, PRO TEMP GREATHOUSE. 
          YES. 
          WE'LL GO ON TO VICE CHAIR SIPES LOOKING FOR APPROVAL BY MR. GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE? NO. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          AYE YOU LUCK? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. 
          MOTION PASSES FORWARD TO SEVEN WITH A SIMPLE MAJORITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO STAFF, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT MEANS THAT THE MOTION IN FACT FAILS AND THE ITEM DOES NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT? WELL, 'CAUSE THE SUPER MAJORITY IS REQUIRED. 
          IT DOESN'T EITHER BY, I'M SORRY. 
          TECHNICALLY THE MOTION DOESN'T FAIL. 
          YOUR MOTION PASSED SEVEN TO FOUR, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A SIMPLE MAJORITY, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE ON TO COUNCIL. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME. 
          SUPER MAJORITY. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          IT WASN'T A SUPER MAJORITY OF NINE, I BELIEVE. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          UM, STAFF, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, RIGHT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, I JUST WANTED TO STATE FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME CONFUSION, WE WERE GETTING SOME INFORMATION HERE IN THE BOARDROOM. 
          UH, THERE WERE SOME LIVE OR THOSE LISTENING BY WEBEX OR BY LIVESTREAM, UH, THAT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POSTPONEMENT MEANT. 
          WE JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT A POSTPONEMENT MEANS THAT THE CASE HAS STOPPED PROCESSING. 
          UH, WHEN THE CASE IS REINITIATED AGAIN, WE WILL SEND NOTICE OUT AGAIN, UH, FOR WHENEVER THEY'RE READY TO PROCEED. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT, THE, THE PROCESS, THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR REZONING HAS STOPPED FOR THOSE TWO CASES THAT WE NOTED EARLIER IN THE MEETING. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TO THOSE ITEMS, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME ANYMORE. 
          UH, YOU'LL BE RENO WHEN THEY COME UP AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STEPH. 
          IF 
          [2. 21-3149 (Continued from 04/06/21) ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700017 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3NA MLOD-3 MLR-1" General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District to "C-2 MLOD-3 MLR-1" Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District on 2.44 acres out of NCB 12887, located at 1803 Semlinger Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Justin Malone, Planner, (210) 207-0157, Justin.Malone@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ]
WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE 
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NA TO C TWO. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 1803 LANGA ROAD, 21 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, FIVE WERE RETURNED. 
          IN OPPOSITION DEL CREST AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. 
          AND A LETTER OF OPPOSITION WAS RECEIVED FROM TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION AND GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, AND ALSO THERE WAS EIGHT RESPONSES AND OPPOSITION RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. 
          THE EXISTING C THREE NA BASED ZONING DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED REZONING IS A DOWN ZONE AND REMOVE THE NA NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES RESTRICTION. 
          IN GENERAL, C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ZONING IS SUITABLE ALONG CORRIDORS AND ACTS AS AN ADEQUATE BUFFER TO EXISTING AND SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND THIS IS A CONTINUED ITEM, UH, BUT THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. 
          UH, SIR, I BELIEVE, UH, IF YOU WOULD HELLO, UH, IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR POWERPOINT IS UP. 
          SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN TO SPEAK OVER YOU. 
          OH, NO. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS DANU ALI. 
          I'M WITH TIM INGER PROPERTIES. 
          UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO APPLY TO REMOVE THE, THE NON, THE RESTRICTION FOR ALCOHOL. 
          UM, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IS REALLY, UH, NOT IN THE, THE CENTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S ON FOUR 10. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, I THINK THAT'S A PRIMARY FACTOR. 
          UM, BASED ON THE LOCATION, I THINK IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO REMOVE ALCOHOL, THE RESTRICTION TO, UH, NOT HAVE ALCOHOL ON THE PREMISES. 
          AND IF, IF WE LOOK JUST AT OTHER BUSINESSES, UH, THERE'S RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL, UH, INCLUDING A LA TAPIA THAT IS CLOSER TO THE ASSOCIATION THAN THIS STORE, UH, THIS PROPOSED STORE. 
          UM, THE MAIN PURPOSE OF A STORE IS NOT REALLY TO SELL ALCOHOL THAT PEOPLE CONSUME ON PREMISES. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE SEALED. 
          UH, PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THAT IN THEIR HOMES. 
          UM, IT, THE, THE MAIN PURPOSE IS NOT TO SERVE ALCOHOL WHERE THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, CONSUMES IT, UH, AT, AT THE BUSINESS. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING HOT FOODS, UM, AND THOSE TYPE OF ADDITIONAL ITEMS. UM, THE STORE IS ALSO GOING TO PROVIDE ACCESSIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND PEOPLE CAN GET HOT FOODS, UH, GAS AND OTHER ITEMS THAT THEY NEED, UH, AT THEIR CONVENIENCE. 
          SO I, SO THESE TYPE OF FACTORS SHOULD WEIGH IN ON THE BOARD'S DECISION. 
          UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SUMMARY. 
          UH, I DID SEND A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO HIGHLIGHT THE OTHER FACTORS. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER THE POWERPOINT OR HAS THE BOARD HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE POWERPOINT? WE'RE SCROLLING THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, RIGHT. 
          UM, UNLESS YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE POINTS WE'RE SCROLLING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL, UH, WE JUST GOT TO ALL OF THE ESSENTIALS. 
          SO I SUMMARIZED THE MAIN POINTS. 
          UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A FIRST CLASS, UH, YOU KNOW, FACILITY. 
          UH, IT'S NOT GOING TO CAUSE LOITERING. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SURVEILLANCE 24 7. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I SAID BEFORE AND JUST WHAT I SAID NOW IS REALLY A SUMMARY OF THE POWERPOINT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. ALI. 
          UM, WE WILL HAVE A REBUTTAL AFTER WE GET SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND THEN, UH, PLEASE STICK AROUND FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          CHAIR, WE HAVE, UH, A LIVE CALL AS WELL AS SOME VOICEMAILS. 
          SO FIRST, UH, WE'LL DO THE LIVE CALLER, MS. FRANKLIN, AVAILABLE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, SO GO AHEAD. 
          YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES? YES. 
          UM, I, I AM DEL CREST AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ACTING PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY, AND A MEMBER OF THE D TWO PRESIDENT'S ROUNDTABLE COALITION OF THE 31 NEIGHBORHOODS IN DISTRICT TWO, WHO ARE ALSO IN OPPOSITION. 
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DO I CONTINUE? YES. 
          MS. FRANKLIN, PLEASE, PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I AM, UH, DEL CREST AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ACTING PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY, A MEMBER OF THE D TWO PRESIDENT ROUND TABLE, A COALITION OF 31 NEIGHBORHOODS AND DISTRICT TWO WHO ARE ALSO IN OPPOSITION. 
          DEL CREST IS IN OPPOSITION TO CHANGING THE ZONING REQUESTS FROM C THREE NA TO C TWO M L O D, THE DEL CREST RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS, WHICH INCLUDES OUR CHURCHES, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER, A CREDIT UNION AND HOTEL WILL BE AFFECTED BY ALCOHOL SALES. 
          WE ARE A COMMUNITY WITH DIRECTION ABLE TO MAKE APPROPRIATE DECISIONS IN WHAT WE WANT AND NEED. 
          IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SECTION 35 DASH 4 0 9 OF THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN, WE RECEIVED A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN SHOWING EIGHT PUMPING STATIONS VERSUS FIVE PUMPING. 
          AS STATED AT THE APRIL THE SIXTH ZONING MEETING, YOU CANNOT ENTER OR EXIT ONTO RE INTO THOSE SENIORS FRONT YARD. 
          WE RECEIVED A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, NOTHING ABOUT ALCOHOL SALES, BUT IT DOES STATE ABOUT FIVE PUMPING STATIONS ONLY. 
          I EMAILED THEM BACK ABOUT THE ALCOHOL CELLS THE FOLLOWING DAY. 
          THEY, WE RECEIVED AN UPDATED POWERPOINT WITH THE CELL OF SEALED ALCOHOL. 
          WE RECEIVED THE EMAIL. 
          WE NEED TO SET UP A TIME FOR A PRESENTATION. 
          THE APPLICATION SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS BACK IN MARCH BEFORE THE APRIL THE SIXTH MEETINGS. 
          WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT ADJUST OUR FAMILY SCHEDULES DURING THIS PAST WEEKEND BEFORE MAY 4TH ZONING MEETINGS. 
          DANA IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          THIS PROPOSED ESTABLISHMENT IS NOT A FIT FOR DE CREST AREA RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT ANOTHER GAS STATION, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          A ALCOHOL ISSUES DISRUPT INCREASED TRAFFIC CONDITIONS ON LOOP 14 ACCESS ROAD IN TIM. 
          IT'S A MAGNET TO CONGREGATE LIKE THE OTHER LOCAL GAS STATION. 
          DEL THANK YOU. 
          WE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU, FRANKLIN. 
          THAT IS YOUR TIME REP AND MEDICAL FACILITY. 
          THANK YOU, MS. FRANKLIN. 
          THAT IS YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND, UH, FOR THOSE WHO, UH, THANK YOU ARE CALLING IN TO SPEAK, PLEASE MUTE. 
          UH, AND MS. FRANKLIN, PLEASE STAY ON THE LINE, BUT PLEASE MUTE, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION BECAUSE I THINK THE TIMING OF THE PLAYBACK VERSUS THE LIVE CALL CAN BE AN ISSUE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. FRANKLIN? I DO. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER JONES, I'M ALWAYS GETTING YOUR HAND JUST A LITTLE BIT OFF SCREEN, SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE SOMETIMES. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YES, MS. FRANKLIN, WERE YOU ABLE TO MEET WITH THE, UH, WITH THE OWNER, UH, ABOUT THAT ENTRANCE AND EXIT, UH, PROBLEM THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, DURING THE CONTINUANCE, MS. FRANKLIN, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING, UH, FEEDBACK, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO HIT SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. 
          SIX SIX, YES, MS. FRANKLIN, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. 
          MS. FRANKLIN, DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER JONES? YES, SIR. 
          I HEAR HER. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE HAVE NOT MET WITH, UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE HAVE NOT MET WITH THEM AT THIS TIME BECAUSE WE RECEIVED THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE, UH, DECISIONS ON WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO ON OUR END. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER JONES. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. FRANKLIN? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          MS. FRANKLIN. 
          UH, STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER LIVE CALLER? MR. WE HAVE VOICEMAILS TO PLAY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD BEGIN THE VOICEMAILS PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
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WE'RE WAITING FOR IT TO LOAD, SIR. 
          IT'LL BE JUST A MOMENT, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM 2 18 0 3 INGER ROAD. 
          UM, MY NAME IS STEVE TI AT 1 0 5 RENO STREET. 
          UH, I AM, UH, IN SUPPORT OF, NO, I'M OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE TO REMOVE THE NA FROM THE ZONING. 
          UM, THE, THIS IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND THE MA SHOULD REMAIN ON THERE. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORS UNDERSTAND THEY, THAT THE, AND AND SUPPORT BUSINESS THAT FITS THAT AND DOES NOT SELL ALCOHOL. 
          UH, SO THE ZONING SHOULD STAY AS IT IS. 
          UH, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN OPPOSITION TO THE CHANGE TO REMOVE THE NA FOR AGENDA ITEM TWO, PLEASE SUPPORT THOSE MOST IMPACTED WHO LIVE NEAR THIS PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ? YES, THIS IS ROSE HILL. 
          UH, AND I'M PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE CHAMBER ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, THIS IS IN REGARDS TO, TO ZONING CASE Z DASH 2021. 
          1 0 7 0 0 0 1 7 18 0 3 SIMER, S E M L I N G E R IN THE DANA DEL CREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, WE ARE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS BUSINESS GOING UP IN THAT AREA. 
          THERE ARE TOO MANY ELDERS, UH, THAT THIS, UH, MAY AFFECT. 
          UH, I WOULD RECONSIDER THAT Y'ALL WOULD PLEASE VOTE NO, UH, IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ZONING CASE. 
          AGAIN, UH, MY NAME IS ROSE HILL, PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE, AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WE'RE, UH, AGAINST, UH, THE ZONING, UM, ISSUE HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          MY NAME IS ROBERT WISE. 
          5 0 5 9 MARY DIANE DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 0. 
          MY NUMBER'S 2 1 0 3 6 3 1 0 0 8. 
          I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO ITEM TWO CASE 17 18 0 3 SER ROAD. 
          UH, I'M CALLING IN OPPOSITION OF REZONING IT, UH, FOR ALCOHOL SALES IN A, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY MADE SIMILAR IS LIKE A RACETRACK ALREADY, AND THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF FOUR 10, IT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE. 
          UH, IT'S ALREADY A JAM PACKED AND BACKED UP AT FIVE O' YOU KNOW, IN THE AFTERNOONS WHEN EVERYBODY GETS OFF OF WORK. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE TRYING TO TURN INTO THERE OR TRYING TO GET OUT OF IT. 
          AND, UM, AGAIN, I'M JUST IN OPPOSITION OF ITEM TWO, CASE 17 AT 1803. 
          SIMILAR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MY NAME IS LINDA GRANT. 
          I LIVE AT 43 THIRD, 38 ARD STREET. 
          PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 455-7970. 
          I AM OPPOSING THE ZONING FOR CASE NUMBER 0 1 7. 
          I AM CONCERNED THAT THE BUSINESS WILL ATTRACT PATRONS THAT WILL BE UNDESIRABLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          A FEW YEARS AGO IN A, IN THE VERY EARLY MORNING AT ONE OF THE STATIONS ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, I OBSERVED WHAT APPEARED TO BE PROSTITUTION ACTIVITY. 
          ONE WAS APPROACHING OUR VEHICLE AS MY SON PUMPED GAS. 
          WHEN SHE SAW ME IN THE VEHICLE, SHE RETURNED TO WHERE SHE HAD BEEN STANDING. 
          WE DO NOT WANT ANY TYPE OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITY IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ALSO, THERE ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH GAS STATIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE THIS IN CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I AM JOANNE JOHNSON. 
          I LIVE AT 49 15 STONELEY DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO. 
          MY NUMBER IS TWO TEN EIGHT SIX ONE TWO NINE SIX SIX FOUR. 
          I'M CALLING TO OPPOSE ZONING CASE 3 2 0 2 1 Z 2 0 2 1 
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DASH 1 0 7 OH OH OH. 
          AND I OBJECTED THIS CASE BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO MAKE OUR AREA INTO A PLACE THAT WILL INHERIT ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE, BOTH GOOD AND BAD. 
          AND THIS WILL BE INTO OUR MOSTLY SENIOR CITIZEN POPULATION, WHICH IS ALL 14 SOUTH. 
          AND IT IS BECOMING A DUMPING GROUND FOR ANYONE OR BUSINESS THAT CAN PAY BIG MONEY. 
          AND THIS SEEMS TO INFLUENCE THOSE IN POWER TO OVERLOOK THE SAFETY CONCERNS OF FOUR 10 SOUTH AND THE DISRUPTION OF A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH BAD ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THIS AREA, AND I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS GOING TO HELP US IN ANY WAY. 
          PLEASE CONSIDER MY REQUEST FOR DISAPPROVAL OF THE CASE. 
          MY NAME IS ETTE COLE. 
          I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM TWO, CASE 17 AT 18 0 3 SEMER ROAD. 
          I STAND OPPOSED TO THE REZONING FROM C THREE A TO C TWO. 
          I SUPPORT THE DEL CREST AREA NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR EFFORT TO KEEP COMPATIBLE BUSINESSES ADJACENT WHERE THERE ARE FIVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN SUPPORT OF RESIDENT, HOMEOWNERS AND NEIGHBORS. 
          THAT'S ALL THE VOICEMAILS CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE'LL HAVE THE REBUTTAL AND THEN TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          UH, 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN GOING ALMOST TWO HOURS. 
          SO, MR. ALI, YOU WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL. 
          MR. ALI, IF YOU HAVE BEEN MUTED. 
          YES, YOU ARE. 
          I WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, I WANT TO, UH, TAKE IN, UH, ALL OF THE OBJECTIONS, UM, AND GO LINE BY LINE. 
          THE FIRST OBJECTION WAS, UH, ALCOHOL. 
          AS, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE ALCOHOL IS A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE SALES AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE. 
          AND IT, IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL TO OPEN ANY ALCOHOL CONTAINERS ON THE PREMISES, INCLUDING THE PARKING LOT. 
          SO THE, THE MAIN SALES ARE NOT ALCOHOL. 
          UH, NUMBER TWO, UH, THE TRAFFIC, UH, THE ANY BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING, YOU'VE SEEN IT, CHICK-FIL-A'S, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD SERVE AS, YOU KNOW, HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS. 
          A A CONVENIENCE STORE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY ADD TO MORE TRAFFIC. 
          UM, ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. 
          THERE WILL BE NO ILLEGAL ACTIVITY ON THE PREMISES. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE SURVEILLANCE 24 7. 
          WE DO NOT CONDONE ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND NO TYPE OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITY WILL HAPPEN, UH, ON THE PROPERTY. 
          LASTLY, SENIORS, UH, WE CARE ABOUT THE SENIORS. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT A CONVENIENT LOCATION FOR GAS, UH, GROCERY AND FOOD ITEMS WILL HELP THE SENIORS FIND FOOD AT A NEARBY LOCATION. 
          SO I BELIEVE THESE POINTS, IN FACT, HELP THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALL THE POINTS. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. ALI. 
          UH, PLEASE STICK AROUND IN CASE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          IT IS APPROXIMATELY TWO 50 AT THIS TIME. 
          WE WILL RECONVENE AT 2 55. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE ARE IN RECESS. 
          WE, UM, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. 
          THE TIME IS 2 55. 
          UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE. 
          SO TO YOU, COMMISSIONER JONES FOR QUESTIONS? YES. 
          UM, AT THIS POINT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL, I'LL, UH, GIVE TO, UH, BOW TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER JONES, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, MR. ALI, UH, I KNOW THE ADDRESS IS ON SIMILAR, BUT, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF FOUR 10. 
          SO IS THE INGRESS AND EGRESS COMING FROM FOUR 10 ONLY OR IS IT FOUR 10 AND SIMILAR? ? MR. ALI, I BELIEVE THAT QUESTION WAS 
          [01:55:01]
FOR YOU. 
          IF YOU ARE MUTED, PLEASE PRESS STAR SIX. 
          . 
          I GUESS, UH, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT WAS ALSO ON THE LINE. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER? I ? NO, UM, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOUR QUESTION IF WE GET MR. ALI BACK ON THE LINE. 
          UH, DOES ANYONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTION FOR STAFF WHILE WE TRY TO GET THE APPLICANT BACK ON THE LINE? WHAT THEN PERHAPS, UH, CHAIR THE STAFF MIGHT KNOW THE, THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. 
          HELLO? SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. 
          IT FOR SOME REASON IT WASN'T WORKING. 
          I WAS SAYING HELLO, BUT, UM, SO THE, THE SITE PLAN INDICATES YES, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE FROM FOUR 10 AND THE ENTRANCE DOES GO, THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRANCE IN THE BACK AT, UH, FLINGER. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE, UH, AN ENTRANCE TOWARD THE, UM, UH, LEFT SIDE. 
          UH, WELL, I GUESS NOT THE LEFT SIDE, BUT IF, IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN FOUR 10, IT'S THE CLOSEST ENTRANCE FROM FOUR 10 AND IT DOES GO BACK TOWARDS INGER. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MAY I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THAT PLEASE? UM, IS THERE A CONSIDERATION TO NOT HAVE AN INGRESS EGRESS ON SIMILAR, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED THAT THERE'S, UH, GONNA BE ADDED TRAFFIC TO, INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY, UH, FROM SIMILAR? SO IT, IT WOULD CAUSE A HUGE BURDEN ON THE PROJECT BECAUSE, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, UH, DEFINITELY IMPACT CARS GETTING IN AND OUT. 
          USUALLY YOU WANT TWO LOCATIONS FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS, UH, BECAUSE OF THIS REASON. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A, A BURDEN FOR CARS TO GO IN AND OUT. 
          UM, ALSO IT WOULD OF COURSE AFFECT SOME OF THE RE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO DO WANT TO ACCESS THE FOOD AND, UM, OTHER ITEMS IN, IN THE BUSINESS AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, IT, IT WOULD DEFINITELY IMPACT, UH, THE SALES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, HAVE YOU OR WILL YOU HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC, UH, IMPACT ANALYSIS? SO A, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS? UH, WE HAVE, I HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE ENGINEER IF THAT IS REQUIRED. 
          I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU AT THIS POINT. 
          WELL, LEMME ASK IT DIFFERENTLY. 
          HOW MANY VISITS DO YOU OR STOPS DO YOU EXPECT YOUR COMPANY OR BUSINESS TO ENTERTAIN EVERY DAY? UM, THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH QUESTION TO ANSWER. 
          I COULD, COULD, UH, GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, BUT THERE IT'S, UM, I CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU AN EXACT ANSWER AT THIS MINUTE. 
          I CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH AN ANSWER. 
          UM, BUT IT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE, UM, MORE THAN, UH, 200. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION GONNA BE FOR THIS STORE? WE PLAN ON DOING THE TYPICAL C-STORE HOURS, WHICH ARE 6:00 AM TO 10 OR 11:00 PM AND YOU ADJUST BASED ON THE BUSINESS. 
          SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE BUSINESS IS DOING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHAT ABOUT, UM, IS THAT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OF, I'M SORRY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? FIVE DAYS A WEEK? SO, UH, SUNDAYS, UH, WE'RE, IT'S GONNA BE ONE HOUR LATER OPENING, UM, AND CLOSING EARLY BY ONE OR TWO HOURS. 
          SATURDAY WE WILL PROBABLY BE OPEN ONE HOUR LATE ON SATURDAYS AND MAYBE EVEN FRIDAYS DEPENDING ON THE BUSINESS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND LET'S GET BACK TO CLARIFICATION. 
          SO HOW MANY, UM, GAS TANKS OR WHATEVER THE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY IS FOR THE PUMPS, HOW MANY OF THOSE DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE? UM, BETWEEN, UH, FIVE TO EIGHT AND IT, IT 
          [02:00:01]
DEPENDS ON, UH, SO WE SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, BUT IT, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IS, UH, APPROVED. 
          SO WE HAVE TO, UH, HAVE THE SITE PLAN APPROVED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER SIPES, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR CLARIFICATION FROM FOR STAFF. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT STATED THAT HAVING THAT, THAT, THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TWO ENTRANCES TO THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, IS THERE A CITY REGULATION, AND I MEAN, I KNOW THERE IS, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, UM, ON THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ENTRANCES. 
          UM, SO THAT, I MEAN, COULD HE HAVE AN ENTRANCE AT THE NORTHERN PART OF HIS PROPERTY OFF OF FOUR 10 AND AT THE SOUTHERN PART OF HIS PROPERTY UP AT, AT FOUR 10? OR WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED TOO CLOSE? WELL, WE WOULD CERTAINLY NEED OUR TRAFFIC TEAM TO LOOK AT THAT, UM, FOR, FOR ACCESS. 
          BUT ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COORDINATE THIS WITH TECH DOT BECAUSE, UH, FOUR 10 IS A TDOT UH, HIGHWAY. 
          SO THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE, UM, TO LOOK AT IT AND CONSIDER WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE. 
          'CAUSE THEY MAY OR MAY NOT ALLOW ACCESS FROM LOOP PORT TENT IN, IN GENERAL OR, OR MULTIPLE ACCESS POINTS. 
          THEY MAY NOT ALLOW ANY ACCESS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHY. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO BE COORDINATED AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO AN OFFICIAL REVIEW TO SEE WHAT KIND OF ACCESS IS ALLOWABLE, IF ANY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER S YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. 
          SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER JONES? UH, YES. 
          UM, JUST, I'M GONNA NEED TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS, UM, PROPOSAL, UH, FOR SEVERAL REASONS. 
          NOT ONLY, UH, I'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS AND ALL, BUT, UM, I ACTUALLY USED TO LIVE OVER THERE AND THERE'S, IF YOU KNOW, WITH ACCESS GOING OFF OF SEMER, THERE'S A SCHOOL, A GYM, THE CHURCH, IT JUST DOESN'T, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, EVEN IN ADDITION TO THE TRAFFIC, IT JUST DOESN'T FIT. 
          AND APPARENTLY THEY HAD APPLIED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME OWNER, BUT THEY HAD APPLIED A COUPLE OF YEARS EARLIER AND THEY, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSISTED ON THIS, UM, IN A, UH, DESIGNATION AND THEY'RE PRETTY STRONG ABOUT THAT AND THEY DON'T WANT IT. 
          AND SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL FROM COMMISSIONER JONES. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCGEE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO BY COMMISSIONER JONES WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, AND THEN COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THIS. 
          I, I SUPPORT THE COMMISSIONER AND I KNOW, UH, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WE'VE HEARD FROM ARE, ARE GOOD PEOPLE THAT WE HEAR FROM A LOT AND I RESPECT THEIR OPINION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S BOTHERING ME THAT THIS IS, UM, KIND OF OPPOSITE. 
          I MEAN, ALL THE, ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HEARING ARE, ARE PROBLEMS THAT SHOULD BE ALLEVIATED WHEN YOU GO FROM C THREE TO C TWO. 
          UH, SO THE, THE NA IS BECOMES KIND OF A, A STRAW MAN IN HERE. 
          IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NA, I MEAN, IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE NA BUT IT'S ALSO ALL TANGLED UP WITH WHAT THIS BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE INCLUDING, UH, ALCOHOL SALES TO SOME EXTENT. 
          SO I DON'T FEEL ENTIRELY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE, BUT, UM, I, I, I AM HEARING WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE ARE SAYING AS WELL. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROME AND, UH, STAFF. 
          RIGHT NOW. 
          IT SAYS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          THIS IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          THE, THE SLIDE THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE SCREEN SAYS APPROVAL. 
          IT SHOULD SAY DENIAL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE'RE ADJUSTING IT RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, YOU ARE NEXT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, MY 
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TWO, UM, WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. 
          UM, MY PERSPECTIVE HAS TO DO WITH SOME OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID AND, UH, ONE, SUPPORTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I AM ONE THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT THE, UH, INSTALLATION OF ANY NEW GAS STATIONS ACROSS, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM RESIDENTIAL HOMES. 
          THAT CAUSES ME GREAT CONCERNS. 
          UM, AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON SIMILAR ROAD. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT IT IS, UH, ABOVE THE CAPACITY THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE FOR, UH, THAT LEVEL OF TRAFFIC. 
          UM, IN I GET FURTHER DOWN THE AREA, THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL VENUES THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE BETTER SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, BUT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS AREA. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE DO HERE IN ZONING. 
          IS IT APPROPRIATE? UM, I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO DEMONIZE, UH, GAS STATION GAS STATIONS HELP OUR FOOD DESERT AREAS. 
          UM, THEY MAKE IT CONVENIENT. 
          THEY GIVE PEOPLE LESS TRACTION ON THE MORE BUSIER STREETS, WHICH THIS IS NOT, UM, THIS IS WALKABLE. 
          THIS IS BIKEABLE TO GET TO, TO A CONVENIENCE STORE TO PICK UP, UM, MILK OR PICKLES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. 
          UM, AND HE'S GOT 24 7. 
          I THINK HE'S MEETING A LOT OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD WANT OUT OF ANY, ANY, UM, BUSINESS ON THAT ROAD. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT TXDOT WILL TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THEY'RE PRETTY, UH, THEY CAN BE PRETTY STINGY ABOUT GIVING CUTS TO, UM, CURB CUTS AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, I, I, I JUST, I'M, I'M NOT FOLLOWING THE LOGIC BEHIND IT. 
          I THINK WE DEMONIZE SOMETHING WAY OVER WHAT IT IS. 
          IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE GAS STATIONS AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAFETY THAT WE HAVE. 
          THEY, THESE GAS STATIONS HAVE BECOME MORE PROACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITIES IN A LOT OF WAYS. 
          THEY HAVE STEPPED UP THEIR GAME ON SECURITY AS THIS GENTLEMAN SAYS THAT HE IS. 
          THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE A LIABILITY AS WELL. 
          THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I THINK THAT YOU'VE, WE'VE OVER DEMONIZED IT. 
          I HOPE WE HAVEN'T GONE TO THE POINT OF BEING BIASED AGAINST THIS OWNER WHO WANTS TO DEVELOP IT. 
          IT IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS, FOR THIS LOT. 
          AND I'M GONNA VOTE. 
          I WON'T VOTE FOR THE DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE ADVANTAGES OF HAVING SMALL, UH, CONVENIENCE STORES AND NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT DURING THE SNOWMAGEDDON LOT OF BIG, UH, CHAINS WERE CLOSED. 
          THE LOCAL CONVENIENCE STORES STAYED OPEN BECAUSE AGAIN, THE FOLKS THAT WORK AT THE CONVENIENCE STORES LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I AM SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTED THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS NOT OPEN TO CONSIDERING, UH, CLOSING OFF, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM SEMINAR. 
          SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I'M GONNA VOTE. 
          I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, I SEE NONE. 
          STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISS. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMAN GAS? YES. 
          MR. WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          DORO? YES. 
          MR. GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          PROM GREATHOUSE. 
          I'LL ABSTAIN AS I MISSED THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. 
          SO NOTED. 
          VICE CHAIR SIP. 
          YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SIPES? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FOR DENIAL. 
          NINE TO ONE WITH ONE ABSTAINED VOTE. 
          THANK YOU STAFF. 
          AND JUST FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S PLANNING PURPOSES, UH, WE'RE GONNA DO 3, 4, 8 AND 
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THEN 17. 
          UH, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER MCGEE HAS TO LEAVE A LITTLE BIT EARLY TODAY, SO I WANT TO GET BOTH OF HER CASES DONE. 
          SO 3, 4, 8 AND 17 ARE THE NEXT FOUR CASES. 
          STAFF, IF WE COULD BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM D R A H O D D R AND R 20 A H O D TO R FOUR A H O D AND R FOUR LOCATED AT 1 1 4 1 8 BLUE WING ROAD, 21. 
          NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. 
          FIVE WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          I'M SORRY THAT, LET ME REPHRASE THAT. 
          21 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. 
          ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM SOUTH 10 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE CURRENT DR DEVELOPMENT RESERVE DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          THE PROPOSED R FOUR IS APPROPRIATE IN DENSITY FOR THE AREA AND WILL PROVIDE HOUSING OPTIONS WITH GOOD VEHICULAR ACCESS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF. 
          UM, APPLICANT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN PROVIDE YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          HELLO, THIS IS JAMES MCKNIGHT. 
          CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? UH, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. MCKNIGHT, CAN YOU HEAR ME? PLEASE? PROCEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, STAFF, IF YOU HAVE MY, UH, PRESENTATION UP PLEASE. 
          WE DO. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS 120 ACRES IN, UH, DISTRICT THREE, UM, JUST NORTH OF SOUTHTON ROAD AND WEST OF I 37. 
          SLIDE THREE, PLEASE. 
          THIS IS AN OVERVIEW SHOWING THE LARGER AREA OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY 177 ACRE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE BLUEING TRAIL SUBDIVISION. 
          THERE WAS A 48 ACRE PORTION THAT YOU CAN SEE IN GREEN THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN MID-MARCH. 
          THERE'S A PORTION THAT'S STILL OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS, THE NINE ACRE PORTION, AND THEN THE PORTION IN BLUE IS THE PORTION COMING TODAY. 
          THAT'S 120 ACRES, UH, FROM DEVELOPMENT RESERVES TO R FOUR. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT RESERVES IS BECAUSE THIS, THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED IN DECEMBER, SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT SORT OF A TEMPORARY ZONING FOR NOW. 
          SLIDE FOUR, PLEASE. 
          THIS JUST SHOWS THE, THE ZONING MAP OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE R FOUR OF THE 48 ACRES WAS JUST UP UPDATED. 
          SLIDE FIVE. 
          THIS IS PAGE ONE OF A TWO PAGE M D P FOR THE 177 ACRES THAT WAS APPROVED IN NOVEMBER. 
          SO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED PRIOR TO THE ANNEXATION THAT TOOK PLACE IN DECEMBER FOR THE 120 ACRES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE OUR PORTION IS, IS, IS TOWARDS THE TOP. 
          YOU GO TO SLIDE SIX, YOU CAN SEE THE REMAINING PORTION. 
          THIS SHOWS ALL OF THESE LOTS WERE PLANNED TO BE, UM, MINIMUM OF R FOUR, BUT SIZES 4,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          BUT A LOT OF 'EM GO ABOVE THAT 5,000, 6,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST RECENTLY COUNTED AS, AS PART OF A, A DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          AND WE'RE, WE, WE'VE GOT A LARGE PORTION OF THEM THAT ARE ACTUALLY LARGER THAN THAT. 
          BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THIS IS OUR FOUR SLIDE SEVEN PLEASE. 
          UM, THIS IS A SLIDE THAT I KNOW I'VE SHOWN BEFORE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UPDATE THAT THE CITY PLAN HAS SHOWN THAT THERE IS A LARGE POPULATION COMING. 
          WE CAN DEBATE HOW MANY NEW DWELLING UNITS ACTUALLY WE ACTUALLY NEED FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING. 
          BUT THE, THE, THE TRUTH IS THAT WE ARE, ARE IN NEED OF HOUSING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SLIDE IS ABOUT, IS THAT THE SA TOMORROW PLAN LETS US KNOW THAT WE DO NEED HOUSING AND THERE'S A LARGE POPULATION THAT IS STILL ON ITS WAY. 
          SLIDE NUMBER NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE. 
          AND THIS IS A, AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE SX MODEL PLAN AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S DENSITY. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE NEED HOUSING, BUT THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LAND TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE LAND OR ALL OF THE HOUSING NEEDED. 
          AND SO IT INCREASE IN DENSITY IS PART OF THE CITY'S POLICY. 
          SO THAT'S, AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE WE ARE REQUESTING R FOUR ZONING, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A, A HIGHER SINGLE FAMILY DENSITY. 
          BUT THIS SLIDE LETS YOU SEE THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE SA TOMORROW PLAN. 
          THAT BECAUSE OF THE LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE AND BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING, DENSITY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR, OF THE PLAN. 
          SLIDE NINE, PLEASE. 
          THIS IS A MAP SHOWING A, A BOUNDARY AROUND THE, THE TOYOTA DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE, UM, IT HAS BEEN SHOWN THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY IN THIS LARGE THREE MILE AREA 
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AROUND TOYOTA. 
          UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO DO. 
          AND THAT BOUNDARY PUSHES AWAY A LOT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE OCCUR IN THIS AREA. 
          IT'S NOW HAPPENING IN OTHER PLACES. 
          SO IT JUST CUTS DOWN ON THE, ON THE AVAILABLE LAND THAT WE NEED TO ACTUALLY PUT IN THAT HOUSING IN THAT DENSITY. 
          SLIDE 10 PLEASE. 
          THIS LAST SLIDE IS, UM, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          THEY WERE STILL OPPOSED. 
          UM, SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE HAD A LOT MORE DISCUSSION. 
          WE'VE PROPOSED A SET OF COVENANTS WITH THEM AS OF LAST THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. 
          WE HAD A, A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM. 
          I BELIEVE THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT AT THIS TIME, BUT IT 
          [3. 21-3148 (Continued from 04/06/21) ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700022 (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "DR AHOD" Development Reserve Airport Hazard Overlay District, "DR" Development Reserve District and "R-20 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-4 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District and "R-4" Residential Single-Family District on 120.31 acres out of CB 4007, located at 11418 Blue Wing Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ]
HAS TO DO WITH US PROVIDING CLEAN OUT FOR BOX CULVERTS AROUND THE AREA TO TO, TO BETTER THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA TO INCREASE OUR DETENTION ON OUR OWN PROPERTY. 
          SO IT, IT, UM, DECREASES THE AMOUNT OF WATER FLOWING OFF INTO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. 
          WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING A, UH, CAP ON AT LEAST THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FOR DENSITY 4.9. 
          BUT A BIG ONE IS THAT, UH, THE, THE COUNCILWOMAN HAD ASKED US TO PUT IN A MIX OF R FOUR AND R FIVE AND EVEN THOUGH THE, THE SOUTHERN PORTION, THE 48 ACRES WAS ALREADY APPROVED, WE BY COVENANTS ARE RESTRICTING, UH, HALF OF THAT PROPERTY TO BE R FIVES AND R FOURS. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, BECAUSE THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ALONG MICKEY ROAD, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM AND I THINK MADE A LOT OF HEADWAY WITH THEM. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING SOME INCREASES IN, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH ON MICKEY ROAD. 
          SO SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE OTHERWISE NOT NECESSARY, NOT PART OF OUR ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY, BUT WE WE'RE DOING AFTER A LOT OF THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBOR. 
          SO, UM, ALTHOUGH I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE ON THE PHONE, UM, I SPOKE TO AT LEAST ONE OF THEM THIS MORNING THAT'S SAYING THEY ARE IN SUPPORT, UH, BASED ON THE COVETS, BASED ON ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE WORKED OUT WITH THEM. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE NOW. 
          AND, UM, UM, I JUST, I JUST ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. 
          THAT'S IT FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU MR. MCKNIGHT. 
          I'M NOT ELEVATING YOU TO THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          THIS IS A, I'M SORRY, STAFF. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NO SIR, WE DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE, SO COMMISSIONER MCGEE TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE? YES. 
          UM, I BELIEVE ALL MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, UH, PRIOR TO THIS WITH, UH, NEIGHBORS AND THE MEETING THAT WE JUST RECENTLY HAD. 
          SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT UP TO THE, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO, AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT EARLIER AND I WANNA THANK THEM. 
          THEY'RE ALWAYS, UH, VERY GOOD ABOUT TRYING TO BRIEF ME BEFORE THE MEETINGS. 
          MY QUESTIONS TODAY ARE MORE TARGETED TOWARDS STAFF BECAUSE AS I SPOKE ABOUT THIS WITH THE LAST CASE, I FIND A LOT OF CONCERN WITH THE DETERMINATION THAT 800 LOTS OF MOSTLY R FOUR WITH THE MIX OF SOME R FIVE SOMEHOW SATISFIES WHAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS FOR THAT AREA. 
          SECOND TO WHICH THE STREET OUT THERE IS A RURAL STREET. 
          IT IS NOT A CITY STREET. 
          IT IS NOT ON ANY CURRENT BOND PROJECT FOR, UH, CAPACITY IN, UH, INCREASING, UM, SIDEWALKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          AND UNDER R FOUR, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THOSE DISTRICTS ARE DESIGNED TO BE IN WALKING DISTANCE OF SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT OUT THERE TODAY. 
          THERE'S NOT EVEN A VIA BUS STOP OUT THERE TODAY. 
          AND I JUST WOULD REALLY LIKE TO UNDERSTAND STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THEY FEEL THAT THIS IS JUSTIFIED. 
          SO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS LAST YEAR WHEN IT STARTED THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS. 
          SO IT DOES HAVE AN APPROVED MASTER PLAN, AN M D P MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN PLACE. 
          UM, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE NON ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, UM, THAT WAS CHANGING THE USE THAT THEY, UH, CAME INTO THE CITY, UH, TO BE ANNEXED LATE LAST YEAR. 
          AND THEN, UH, NOW WE'RE REZONING TO ALIGN, UH, THE ZONING WITH THE APPROVED M V P AS FAR AS THE PERSPECTIVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IF THAT FACTOR WERE NOT IN PLACE. 
          UM, THE PLAN, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UM, WHICH WAS BOTH THE CITY SOUTH COMMUNITY PLAN AS WELL AS THE SECTOR PLAN, UM, INCLUDED A LOT OF THIS AREA THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR, UH, DECADES. 
          UM, AND A LOT OF IT IS AGRICULTURAL USES, HOWEVER, THIS AREA IS DEVELOPING. 
          UM, AND AS EACH PROJECT GOES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, THOSE 
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DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WOULD BE LOOKED AT, WHETHER IT IS, UH, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, AND THEN AS THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, UH, MORE, UH, PUBLIC TRANSIT, UH, COULD COME INTO PLAY BASED ON, UH, WHAT IS BEING DEVELOPED OUT THERE. 
          UH, SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, YES, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT VACANT LAND TODAY AND NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT USE. 
          UH, YES, THIS IS A, A A A A DENSITY FOR R FOUR. 
          HOWEVER, THE DR DOES ALLOW R SIX, UH, DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHTS. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT INCREASING, UH, THE DENSITY. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT WAS OUR PERSPECTIVE IN LOOKING AT THIS AREA. 
          UH, AND, UM, UH, THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, NOTWITHSTANDING THE M D P, AGAIN, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THERE ARE GOOD ROADS IN EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE NOW IF WE'RE GONNA JUST THROW AWAY OUR PLANS AND JUST START DEVELOPING AND NOT WORRYING ANYMORE ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'RE GONNA JUST CONTINUE TO HAVE PEOPLE CONGESTED IN TRAFFIC AND KIDS WALKING DOWN ROADS WITHOUT SIDEWALKS TO A SCHOOL THAT DOESN'T EXIST, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT JUST KIND OF CAUSES ME CONCERN AND I JUST FEEL THE NEED TO GO ON THE RECORD AND STATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? I, UH, TO, UH, MR. MCKNIGHT? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, TYPICALLY IT'S THE DEVELOPER THAT DEVELOPS CITY, UH, STREETS, CITY DOESN'T BUILD STREETS, DEVELOPERS DO THAT. 
          UM, SO WHAT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? SO IT'S ACTUALLY A MIX. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF CARS AND HOMES THAT WE ARE IMPACT, WE HAVE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO WE HAVE A COMPLETED T I A WE'RE PUTTING IN LARGER STREETS, TURN LANES, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN ONE AREA. 
          AND THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE, THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEY ARE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY AND ACTUALLY PUBLIC WORKS AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UM, HAS BEEN ON THE PHONE. 
          THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL WOMAN'S OFFICE HAVE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH US, WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO SHOW, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME PROBLEM AREAS EITHER WITH THE SIZE OF THE ROAD OR FLOODING OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THAT THEY ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY IN THIS AREA. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK A LOT OF THESE TIMES THESE PROJECTS ARE ON HOLD WITH THE CITY. 
          THEY MIGHT BE DRAINAGE ISSUES ON STREETS. 
          IT'S NOT UNTIL A DEVELOPER COMES ALONG AND NOW THEY'RE REQUIRED TO KIND OF IMPROVE THAT DRAINAGE AREA OR IMPROVE THAT ROAD OR PUT A, A LIGHT THERE WHERE ONE WASN'T. 
          BUT, UH, GENERALLY THE CITY IS NOT ONE THAT GOES OUT AND BUILDS A ROAD. 
          THEY MAINTAIN 'EM, BUT, BUT NOT PUT ONES IN. 
          SO, SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND HERE AND IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE? UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. 
          AND THANK YOU TO MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR, UM, QUESTIONS AND, UM, THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          MA'AM, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK UP? IT, YOU SOUND A LITTLE FAINT OR DISTANT. 
          IF YOU COULD SPEAK, UH, CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          MAYBE I AM FAINT AND DISTANT. 
          NO, , TRY NOT TO PASS OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA BE STRONGER . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE, UM, THE, THE LAST MEETING WAS VERY, UH, PRODUCTIVE THAT WE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          WE HAD, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, DISTRICT THREE ON THE LINE, MYSELF AND, UM, QUITE A FEW OF THE NEIGHBORS FROM THE SOUTHTON, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ASSOCIATION BOARD. 
          AND SO, UM, I KNOW THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN DIRE NEED IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS, UH, TRYING TO EVEN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND EVEN WHAT'S REQUIRED OF THEM. 
          AND ALSO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OFFICE IS IT'S, UH, VERY AWARE AND COMMITTED AS WELL TO HELP, UM, DRIVE IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, SO 
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WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MOVE FOR, UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR APPROVAL. 
          I SECOND IT. 
          GIBBONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          UM, ANY DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER ROME? YEAH, I OPPOSED THE LAST ONE. 
          AND I STILL HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AREA AND THE OLD CITY SOUTH PLAN, BUT I WILL SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IN THIS CASE, UH, YOU CAN ALREADY BUILD R SIX, BASICALLY IN DR. 
          SO, UH, THE DAMAGE WAS ALREADY DONE WITH THAT, UH, WHEN THE CITY ANNEXED IT AND GAVE IT THAT, WHICH THEY HAVE TO, UH, GAVE IT THAT ZONING. 
          SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS ONE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER O'NEAL. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS GOING ONCE GO TWICE. 
          DONE. 
          STAFF ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CAYMAN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE. 
          HI, DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          . 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. 
          PRO TEMP GREENHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR? YES. 
          CHAIR ANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          10 TO ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          I'M SORRY, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE. 
          ALL ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE C TWO, C THREE, UC ONE, AND MF 50 TO MF 33 AND MF 33 UC ONE. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 14,000 BLOCK OF VINCE JACKSON ROAD. 
          11 NOTICES WERE MAILED. 
          ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE CURRENT C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED MS 33 MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT IS ALSO APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA ALONG U T S A BOULEVARD AND VANCE JACKSON ROAD. 
          THIS WILL PROVIDE MORE HOUSING OPTIONS TO U T SS A AND THE MEDICAL CENTER STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IF THE APPLICANT WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND BEGIN THEIR PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          WE'RE, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WAS JUST TRANSFERRED IN. 
          HI, UH, THIS IS CAROLINE MCDONALD. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          MS. MCDONALD, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE BEGIN YOUR PRESENTATION ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR AND SONY COMMISSIONERS CAROLINE MCDONALD WITH BROWN AND ORTIZ ONE 12 EAST PEON, SUITE 1360 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT FOR APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRES. 
          UM, PLEASE GO TO SLIDE TWO 19 ACRES, GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF, UH, VANCE JACKSON, UT S BOULEVARD. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PICTURE ON SLIDE TWO, UH, THE MS MC, THE LAND IS MS. MCDONALD. 
          IF CAN WAIT ONE SECOND. 
          I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          UH, STAFF, IF WE CAN GET THE PRESENTATION UP ON SLIDE TWO? YES, SIR. 
          WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET IT UPLOADED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UH, I, I THINK Y'ALL PROBABLY SAW THE, THE AERIAL, THAT'S ALL IT WAS WITH STAFF'S PRESIDENT'S PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, WE, WE HAVE A VARIOUS COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY USES SURROUNDING US. 
          UM, WE CAN GO TO SLIDE THREE. 
          IS IT UP YET? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          MS. MCDONALD? I THINK WE'RE STILL WAITING. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, 
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AGAIN, I THINK I ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT, UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST KEEP GOING. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY IN THE U T S A REGIONAL PLAN. 
          WE HAVE A DESIGNATED LAND USE OF REGIONAL, REGIONAL MIXED USE. 
          UM, THE, WE WORKED DILIGENTLY ON THIS PLAN BACK WHEN IT WAS PASSED FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, TO SECURE HIS, HIS RIGHTS FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, HE'S OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS AND, UM, HAS, YOU KNOW, BEEN SELLING OFF PIECES, UH, AT A TIME. 
          BUT, UM, AGAIN, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, BECAUSE WE ARE AT, UH, A MAJOR INTERSECTION, I 10 AND 1604, WE DID OBTAIN THAT REGIONAL MIXED USE DESIGNATION. 
          UM, WE DO NOT NEED A PLAN AMENDMENT. 
          UH, WE ARE REQUESTING TO GO FROM C THREE TWO, MF 33. 
          AND AGAIN, BOTH THE C THREE AND THE MF 33 ZONING DESIGNATIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT REGIONAL MIXED USE, UH, PLAN AMENDMENT IS NOT REQUIRED. 
          MS. MCDONALD, THE PRESENTATION'S NOW UP IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE SLIDES. 
          SURE. 
          UM, JUST IF YOU COULD GO TO SLIDE THREE, I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER THAT AGAIN, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND THEN A ZOOMED IN ARIEL SHOWING THAT THE 19 ACRES AT VANCE JACKSON AND U T S A BOULEVARD. 
          SLIDE FOUR, PLEASE. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE A CURRENT ZONING OF C THREE C TWO AND MF 50, UH, WITH THE VARIOUS APPLICABLE OVERLAYS, UM, AGAIN SURROUNDED BY C THREE. 
          UM, THE CHICKEN AND PICKLE YOU CAN SEE IS TO OUR SOUTH. 
          OUR REQUEST IS FOR MS 33 TO ALLOW FOR A MIX OF TOWN HOMES AND APARTMENTS. 
          IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO TO SLIDE FIVE. 
          UH, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. 
          UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW CHANGES, UH, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 425 UNITS, UH, 340 TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY AND 84 TOWN HOMES. 
          UM, THERE WILL BE ACCESS ONTO VANCE JACKSON, AND THEN THE SECONDARY ACCESS IS, IS TO THAT ROAD TO THE NORTH. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE ARE AMENITIES LIKE A POOL, DOG PARK, MULTIPLE COURTYARDS, UM, FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, UH, THIS IS QUITE A DOWN ZONING. 
          UM, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, UH, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL C THREE USES ARE BIG BOX RETAIL AND, UM, OTHER LARGE GENERATORS OF TRAFFIC. 
          SO THIS, THIS MF 33 DESIGNATION DOES BRING DOWN THOSE TRAFFIC COUNTS. 
          UM, BUT, UH, 
          [4. 21-3476 (Continued from 04/20/21) ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700025 (Council District 8): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3 MLOD-1 MLR-2" General Commercial Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District, "C-2 MLOD-1 MLR-2" Commercial Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District, "C-3 UC-1 MLOD-1 MLR-2" General Commercial Hill Country Gateway Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District and "MF-50 MLOD-1 MLR-2" Multi-Family Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District to "MF-33 MLOD-1 MLR-2" Multi-Family Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District and "MF-33 UC-1 MLOD-1 MLR-2" Multi-Family Hill Country Gateway Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District on 19.048 acres out of NCB 15825, generally located in the 14000 Block of Vance Jackson Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Lorianne Thennes, Senior Planner, (210) 207-7945, lorianne.thennes@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ]
WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL FOR THE M MS 33 ZONING DESIGNATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MS. MCDONALD, UH, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. 
          NO COMMENT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE, COMMISSIONER ROME TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS CASE FOR QUITE A WHILE. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN CONTINUED TWICE, UH, TO, UH, MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON SOME ISSUES, AND I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER OAL. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AGAIN, UH, APPRECIATION TO, UH, BROWN AND ORTIZ FOR THE BRIEFING EARLIER ON THIS ITEM. 
          UM, AGAIN, MY QUESTIONS GO TO STAFF MAINLY, AND I'M JUST, UM, I'M WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DOES STAFF CONSIDER SATURATION? BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS TRACT OF LAND, IT IS SURROUNDED BY 10 OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES, WHICH WITH FAIRLY HIGH DENSITIES. 
          UM, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IS, IS SATURATION AT ANY POINT EVER CONSIDERED BY STAFF? NO, MA'AM. 
          WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT, UH, SATURATION. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LAND USE AND, UH, WHETHER THE EXISTING OR THE REQUESTED ZONING IS CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING AND SURROUNDING ZONING. 
          WELL, THAT MIGHT BE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BUT YOU HAVE BROUGHT A SIMILAR CASES WHERE YOU FELT THERE WERE TOO MANY AUTO SHOPS OR BARS OR SUCH IN PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER. 
          IS THAT NOT TRUE? WE HAVE LOOKED AT, AT SATURATION FOR DIFFERENT, FOR SPECIFIC TYPES OF USES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE REGULATED BY STATE LAW, UH, SUCH AS, UH, PAYDAY LOAN AGENCIES, UH, PAWN SHOPS, THOSE, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES OF USES WHERE WE DO LOOK AT SATURATION. 
          YOU COULD LOOK AT SATURATION SCOPE OF, UH, TRAFFIC, ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. 
          UM, MULTIFAMILY IS ACTUALLY, UH, A LESS TRIGGER OF TRAFFIC THAN A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION. 
          SO THAT PLAYS INTO 
          [02:35:01]
THE FACTOR OF, OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          THE OTHER ISSUE IS, UM, THE LAND USE COMPONENT. 
          THE U C S A, UH, REGIONAL CENTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN DECEMBER OF 2019. 
          AND THIS, UH, AREA WAS DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL MIXED USE, WHICH, UM, IS A LAND USE THAT IS, UH, PRIMED FOR YOUR, UM, MORE INTENSE DENSITY AND, UH, USES, UH, BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THOSE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS. 
          UM, AND SO YOU WANNA BRING, UH, DENSITY TO THOSE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO OUR REASONING WHY, UH, DOWNLOADING FROM COMMERCIAL TO MS WAS BETTER. 
          WELL, WHAT EMPLOYMENT CENTERS ARE NEAR, NEAR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION? SO, U T S A IS ONE OF 'EM. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, UH, ONCE, UH, THERE'S MORE DENSITY, MORE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS WILL COME, THAT'S WHERE YOU WANNA TARGET IT. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, UTSA IS JUST ONE OF THEM THAT COMES, THAT COMES TO MIND. 
          WELL, AGAIN, I FIND THAT THERE ARE, AS I MENTIONED, JUST 10 COMPLEXES WITHIN A STONE'S THROW. 
          AND I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT PARTICULAR AREA IS, IS BECOMING SATURATED AND THERE COULD ACTUALLY USE SOME DIFFERENT KIND OF MIXED USE OUT THERE BESIDES THAT. 
          SO THAT'S MY POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIELS, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, UH, TO YOU, COMMISSIONER O OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND I, I GET COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL'S POINT. 
          UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF APARTMENTS IN THIS AREA. 
          I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE THIS WHEN I GO TO THIS AREA. 
          I FEEL LIKE IT ACTUALLY WAS WELL PLANNED. 
          UM, THE, THE APARTMENTS ARE FAIRLY WELL SPACED OUT. 
          THEY'RE NICE. 
          UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK AT U T S A AND OTHER AREAS, OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE, THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE RIM THAT, THAT DO NEED PLACES TO LIVE. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, JUST THE MORE IMMEDIATE THING IS I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS NOT BEING C THREE ANYMORE. 
          UH, SO, UH, WITH THAT I WILL MOVE FOR RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR ITEM FOUR SECOND GIVENS. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR BY COMMISSIONER O'NEAL WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. 
          STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL ABSTAIN PRO TEM GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SIFE. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          AYE. 
          VICE CHAIR SIPE. 
          MR. MCDANIEL? HELLO, VICE CHAIRMAN SIPES? YES, I DID. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO THE MOTION PASSED, UH, 10 TO ZERO WITH ONE VOTE ABSTAINED. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          STAFF. 
          IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO ITEM 
          [8. 21-3232 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700084 CD (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-6 CD MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District with a Conditional Use for two (2) dwelling units on Lot 27, Block 335, NCB 9428, located at 422 West Vestal Place. Staff recommends Approval. (Justin Malone, Planner, (210) 207-0157, Justin.Malone@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department). ]
NUMBER EIGHT, FOLLOWED BY ITEM NUMBER 17, AND THEN WE WILL RETURN TO OUR NORMAL PROGRAMMING. 
          ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 4 22 WEST VESTAL PLACE. 
          26 NOTICES WERE MAILED. 
          ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, FOUR WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE CURRENT R SIX ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED R SIX CD IS ALSO AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS LARGE PROPERTY AND LIMITS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO A SITE PLAN. 
          THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY WILL REMAIN THE SAME, AND THE CD 
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CONDITIONAL USE WOULD ALLOW THE TWO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, UM, THE APPLICANT, IF YOU ARE PRESENT, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT, PLEASE. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, THIS IS WENDELL DAVIS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, I'M WENDELL DAVIS AND I'M A PLANNING CONSULTANT FOR REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF, UH, 4 22 WEST VESSEL. 
          UH, MY ADDRESS IS 2 63 SPRINGWOOD LANE, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 1 6. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MY, UH, POWERPOINT, UH, ON THE SCREEN, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, MR. DAVIS, IT IS CURRENTLY ON THE SCREEN. 
          IF YOU WOULD, JUST LET US KNOW WHICH SLIDES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UH, THE SECOND SLIDE. 
          IT IS UP, SIR. 
          AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL CHANGE IT TO THE APPROPRIATE SLIDE ONCE YOU TELL 'EM. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M READY FOR THE SECOND SLIDE. 
          IT'S CURRENTLY UP. 
          YOU MAY BEGIN. 
          UM, I NEED THE NEXT SLIDE THEN. 
          SIR, THERE'S GOING TO BE A DELAY IN YOUR SLIDE PRESENTATION. 
          YOU NEED TO JUST START SPEAKING AND WE WILL, WE'LL TRACK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND MATCH IT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THERE WILL BE A DELAY ON YOUR SIDE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WELL, I, I START OFF WITH, UH, GIVEN A RATIONALE FOR THE R SIX, UH, CD AT THIS LOCATION. 
          AND, UH, IT'S AN EXISTING DUPLEX. 
          AT FIRST, I THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS CONVERTED TO A DUPLEX WHEN THE PRESENT OWNER PURCHASED IT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. 
          UM, IT WAS CONVERTED, UH, PROBABLY IN, YOU KNOW, ILLEGALLY AND IT WAS DENIED ZONING ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, OR TWO AND A HALF OR THREE YEARS AGO. 
          UH, IT'S SURROUNDED BY INVESTMENT RENTAL UNITS AND EVEN A FEW DUPLEXES THAT ARE NOT ZONED FOR DUPLEX. 
          ONE OF THE OPTIONS, UH, IF IT'S NOT A DUPLEX, IS TO BECOME AN AIRBNB, WHICH WOULD BE A MUCH WORSE OPTION, OPTION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT BECAUSE I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE A, THE, UH, INVESTOR PURCHASED A HOUSE OUT OF, UH, FORECLOSURE AND COMMENCED TO CONVERT IT TO THREE APARTMENTS, UH, WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          WHEN THEY FOUND OUT, WHEN IT WAS FOUND OUT, THEY HAD TO PAY A FINE AND GET A PERMIT, BUT THEY COULDN'T GET THE ZONING. 
          UM, AND SO THEY ONLY GOT A CERTIFICATE OF OCC C FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, AND ALL THE UNITS HAD TO BE CONNECTED BY DOORS. 
          HOWEVER, THE OWNER THEN CONVERTED IT TO AIRBNB. 
          AND, UH, WITH, UH, IT'S, IT'S MUCH WORSE THAN HAVING JUST AN ONE OR TWO TENANTS IN THAT, IN THAT HOUSE BECAUSE THEY COME AND GO. 
          UM, EVERY WEEKEND THERE'S A DIFFERENT, UH, GROUP OF CARS OUT THERE AND DIFFERENT TENANTS IN THE NEXT DOOR HOUSE TO US. 
          SO I, I HOPE THAT, UH, THIS, THIS ZONING GOES THROUGH SO THAT IT WON'T HAVE TO BECOME AN AIRBNB. 
          UH, IN OCTOBER OF 2019, IN ANTICIPATION OF, UH, UH, EARLY 2020 ZONING APPLICATION, MR. UH, JACOB ROTHFELD, AS THE OWNER, MET WITH MANY OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORS AND CONVINCED 11 OF THEM TO SUPPORT THE ZONING. 
          BUT, UH, SUBSEQUENTLY, TWO OF THOSE NEIGHBORS DECIDE AGAINST, UH, HE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION SO THAT THAT BECAME, UH, WENT OUT THE WINDOW. 
          BUT WE WERE REQUESTING THIS ZONING CHANGE FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD, UH, TO KEEP, TO MAINTAIN A BETTER, UH, STABILITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS AN AIRBNB. 
          UM, LET'S GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE, UH, SITE PLAN. 
          THE SITE PLAN, UH, THE HOUSE IS A SINGLE FAMILY, WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OF ALMOST 2,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND, UH, IT'S CONVERTED TO TWO. 
          IF, IF IT WERE RENTED AS A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, IT WOULD NOT BE AN AFFORDABLE UNIT. 
          UH, IT WOULD BE QUITE A BIT, ALMOST TWICE AS MUCH AS, UH, PEOPLE WOULD PAY FOR RENT ON THE TWO INDIVIDUAL UNITS. 
          SO, AS A DUPLEX, IT WILL BE, UH, TWO APPROXIMATELY 12, 1300 SQUARE FOOT UNITS. 
          AND, UH, THE, THE OWNER PROPOSES TO PUT PARKING IN THE REAR, UH, USING THE ALLEY AND, UH, PUT UP A WOOD FENCE BACK THERE. 
          BUT, UH, WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DO IS, UH, MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT ALL THE PARKING, UH, UH, NEXT DOOR TO ME. 
          AND, UH, ON SPRINGWOOD THERE, 
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THERE'S CARS AND TRUCKS PARKED ON THE CURB, UH, IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE MOST OF THE TIME. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY'S ALWAYS FULL AND THEY'VE GOT PARKING IN THE REAR. 
          BUT, UH, IT'S VERY INCONVENIENT FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO USE. 
          SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS, UH, PARCEL ANALYSIS. 
          NO ACTUAL LAND USE, UH, VEST PLACE, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PARCELS. 
          UH, IT'S, UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE, IN THE CENTER OF THE MAP, THERE IS A RED, RED RECTANGLE. 
          AND THAT IS THE SUBJECT SITE. 
          AND, UH, IT IS, UH, IT IS BUILT AS A DUPLEX. 
          THERE ARE TWO OTHER DUPLEXES WITHIN THE 200 MILE RADIUS. 
          I MEAN 200 FOOT RADIUS. 
          UH, ONE IS THE UPPER LEFT, UPPER LEFT HAND PAR PORTION OF THE CIRCLE. 
          AND, UH, IT'S TOOK TWO DUPLEXES AT 12, UH, 1314 AND 1316 CARNET AVENUE. 
          AND IN THE LOWER LEFT, THERE ARE TWO UNITS AT, UH, THE CORNER OF, UH, GARNET AND HUTCHINS PLACE. 
          AND I SUSPECT THERE ARE OTHER, UH, DUPLEXES WITHIN THAT AREA. 
          BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THE YELLOW, THE SOLID YELLOW ARE THE OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES. 
          AND THE CROSSHATCHED, UH, OR R SIX ZONING ARE RENTAL UNITS, WHICH I'M CALLING THAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY DO NOT HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. 
          I'M CALLING THOSE RENTAL UNITS. 
          BUT, UH, THERE'S MULTI-FAMILY, UH, RIGHT THERE ON HUTCHINS AND TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY OVER OFF OF, UH, CLAMP, UH, AVENUE. 
          SO, UH, IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY A RENTAL PROPERTY. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A RENTAL. 
          IT'S EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A LOT OF RENTALS IN IT, AND SOMETIMES WE JUST DON'T KNOW IT. 
          BUT THIS, THIS ONE HAS, UH, A NUMBER OF RENTALS AND IT WON'T BE OUT OF PLACE, BUT IT WILL BE BETTER THAN HAVING, UH, UH, INDIVIDUALS STAY A NIGHT OR TWO AND REPLACE BE REPLACED LATER ON OR EVERY, EVERY WEEKEND. 
          SO ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS THAT, UM, UH, IF YOU HAVE TWO TENANTS IN THAT HOUSE, UH, THERE COULD BE TWO TENANTS OVER THE 52 WEEKS. 
          IF YOU HAVE, UM, AIRBNB, THERE COULD BE TWO TENANTS, UH, EVERY WEEKEND, TWO DIFFERENT TENANTS EVERY WEEKEND IN THEIR CARS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO BE AN AIRBNB, BUT FOR YOU TO APPROVE THE, UM, THE, UH, R SIX CD. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS A PARCEL ANALYSIS OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UH, THE FIRST COLUMN IS, UH, THE 200 FOOT RADIUS, AND IT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE 13 OWNER-OCCUPIED HOMES. 
          AND, UH, THERE ARE SIX, WHAT I CALL RENTALS. 
          NO, UH, NO HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. 
          UH, THREE DUPLEXES INCLUDING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND TWO VACANT LOTS. 
          SO, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 24, UM, THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT THE FIR FIRST 200 FEET, BUT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS PROBABLY ABOUT 31%, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS AND, UH, 7% OF DUPLEXES. 
          AND, UH, ABOUT 1% OF THE PROPERTIES ARE MULTIFAMILY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY UNITS THAT COULD BE, BUT THAT COULD BE TWO OR 300, UH, MULTIFAMILY UNITS. 
          SO, UH, IN THE END, MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO LET THIS BE A, UH, LEGAL DUPLEX AND AVOID, UH, THE AIRBNB SITUATION AND THAT I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS. 
          UM, WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN YOU'LL BE GIVEN A SHORT TIME FOR REBUTTAL, UH, STAFF. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE A, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, WE DID HAVE A LIVE CALLER SCHEDULED FOR THIS ITEM. 
          UM, WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING AHOLD OF THAT PERSON. 
          FORTUNATELY, THEY DID LEAVE A VOICEMAIL AS WELL, SO WE WILL PLAY THAT. 
          BUT I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HER. 
          HER NAME IS, UH, RAQUEL BENAVIDES AT 4 23 WEST HUTCHINS. 
          AND HER PRIMARY CONCERNS WERE ONE, THAT THIS WAS NOT GOING TO BE A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT, WHICH I ASSURED HER IT WAS NOT. 
          AND TWO, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE SHE SAID THAT THE TENANTS THAT 
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USED TO BE THERE BEFORE WOULD PARK IN THE ALLEY AND CLUTTER UP THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WITH A LOT OF CARS. 
          SO I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING. 
          UM, I TOLD HER THAT THAT WOULD, UH, SHE COULD BRING THAT UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT SINCE SHE'S NOT ON THE LINE, WE'LL PLAY HER VOICEMAIL AND WE'LL TRY HER ONE MORE TIME, UH, WHILE WE'RE PLAYING THE VOICEMAIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, THIS IS RAQUEL BENAVIDEZ AT 4 23 WEST HUTCHINS PLACE, UH, 7 8 2 2 1 REGARDING CASE NUMBER Z 20 21 0 7 0 0 0 8 4 CD. 
          I AM CALLING TO ADVISE OF MY STAND ON THE REZONING TO A MULTIFAMILY UNIT BEHIND MY HOUSE. 
          AND I AM OPPOSED TO REZONING FOR MULTIPLE REASONS, ONE BEING SECURITY, UH, THE REASONS BEING MESSAGES BEING SENT FROM THE ATTORNEY AND THE LETTERHEAD THAT WAS RECEIVED ARE HAVE, IT CONTAINS MULTIPLE FALSE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROPERTY AND THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE KNOWN FOR THE RECORD THAT I OPPOSE THE REZONING AT 4 22 WEST VEST. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MY NUMBER IS (210) 705-9353. 
          I HAVE, ACTUALLY, MY PHONE NUMBER IS NOT THAT NUMBER. 
          I CHANGED IT. 
          IT'S 2 1 0 9 8 0 22 12. 
          I HAVE MADE THIS POSITION IN THE PAST, AND I CONTINUE TO HOLD MY STANCE IN REGARDS TO THIS ADDRESS. 
          THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WE WERE UNABLE TO REACH MS.  THIS AGAIN? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MR. DAVIS, IN LIGHT OF THAT MESSAGE AS WELL AS THE STAFF RECITATION OF THE ISSUES THAT MS. BENAVIDEZ RAISED, WOULD YOU LIKE A SMALL TIME FOR REBUTTAL? SURE, SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEM OF, UH, THE ALLEY. 
          AND, UH, IN MY OPINION, UH, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO, UH, GO TO THE EXPENSE OF DOING SOMETHING, UH, BETTER WITH THE, WITH THE ALLEY IN THE PARKING IN THE REAR. 
          UM, THE PROBLEM, THERE'S THE SAME PROBLEM WITH NEXT DOOR TO ME. 
          AND, UH, I, I BELIEVE THE, UH, OWNER DID SAY THAT HE WOULD DO THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE THAT COME OUT OF THIS, UH, HEARING. 
          SO, UM, THAT THE INTENT IS TO, UH, DO SOMETHING, UH, PROBABLY IT MIGHT BE ASPHALT PAVEMENT, UH, FOR THE, UH, REAR OF THE, THE PROPERTY TO THE ALLEY, TO THE SITE. 
          UH, OH. 
          THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING WAS THAT, UM, THAT, UH, THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH, UH, MY LETTER THAT I WROTE. 
          UH, I DID INDICATE THAT I THOUGHT THAT THE, THE, UH, DUPLEX HAD BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, AND I, I HAVE LEARNED, UH, IN THE PAST WEEK FROM THE OWNER THAT IT WAS NOT, UH, IT WAS NOT A DUPLEX WHEN HE BOUGHT IT, BUT THE, UH, THAT IT WAS CONVERTED. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT MISREPRESENTATION OF THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION. 
          UM, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. DAVIS. 
          PLEASE HOLD ON THE LINE OH, IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE, COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO TO STAFF, SO WHEN THIS WAS CONVERTED TO A DUPLEX, UM, IT, IT, WELL, THERE WERE NO PRO UH, PERMITS PULLED, RIGHT? IT WAS BUILT ILLEGALLY, IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT, YES, MA'AM. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE LAST TIME THAT THIS, UH, CAME TO US, UM, AND WE DENIED IT, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY OF THERE WERE RESIDENTS IN THAT, UM, OTHER DWELLING UNIT AT THAT TIME? CORRECT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE, UM, PAR PARKING AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE BACK. 
          DO YOU REMEMBER? UH, I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY RESIDENTS IN THE, UH, SECOND, UH, IN THE NEW SIDE, THE NEW VACANT SIDE OF THE DUPLEX. 
          UM, I, THE, THEY SUBSEQUENTLY DID GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE. 
          AND SO, UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE ZONING, THEY COULD NOT GET AN OCCUPANCY PERMIT FOR THE, UH, THE OTHER DUPLEX SIDE. 
          SO, SO ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, 
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AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT NO ONE HAS EVER RESIDED IN THAT SECOND UNIT? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          AND, AND THEY MIGHT HAVE, THEY MIGHT HAVE, IT WOULD'VE CERTAINLY BEEN ILLEGAL. 
          UH, BUT, BUT, UH, IT WAS AFTER, IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS WHILE IT WAS BEING REMODELED THOUGH, THAT, UH, CODE, CODE COMPLIANCE STOPPED THE WORK, AND, UH, AND THEY HAD TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN DID, BUT THEY DID FINISH THE WORK AND THEN, THEN DIDN'T GET TO USE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND SO THAT WAS CO COMPLIANCE BACK, UH, DURING THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          SO HAVE THERE BEEN ANY OTHER CITATIONS SINCE THEN? UH, NO. 
          NO. 
          WE, IT'S BEEN VACANT AND, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          I, I, UH, I DIDN'T START OUT WITH THIS PROJECT THREE YEARS AGO. 
          I CAME ON ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          LET ME JUST ASK STAFF REAL QUICK. 
          SO STAFF, IS THERE ANY, DO YOU, UM, HAVE THAT HISTORY OF, UH, CITATIONS? IT, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING NOTED IN OUR LATEST CODE REPORT, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND SO, I GUESS, UM, TO THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REPRESENTATIVE, SO BASICALLY, UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE, SO YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, UM, IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS BUILT ILLEGALLY, BUT, UM, AND SO, AND IF IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED LEGALLY NOW, SO THEN WE'LL JUST MAKE IT WORSE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY HAVING AN AIRBNB. 
          IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR AM I MISINTERPRETING WELL, UH, THAT, UH, I, I JUST LEARNED OF THAT AS THE OPTION FOR THE, UH, OWNER THIS PAST WEEK. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK, UH, JACOB, UH, ROTHFELD TOLD ANY, MENTIONED THAT TO ANYBODY, UH, IN, IN, UH, OCTOBER OF 28, 20 19. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT HE HAD EVEN THOUGHT OF IT AT THAT TIME, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING HE TOLD ME LATER, EARLIER THIS WEEK ON THE TELEPHONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OR LAST WEEK, I'M SORRY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          SO, UM, STEPH, SO, UM, SO IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? SO, AND WHAT WOULD THE, WHAT UH, REGULATIONS WOULD THERE BE FOR? UM, SO IF, IF IT'S, WHAT WOULD IT HAVE TO BE SOMEBODY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED ON ONE SIDE AND THEN THE OWNER WOULD BE ABLE TO LEASE IT? OR, OR HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK TO STAFF? UM, THIS STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY CONNECTED. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, IT HAS TWO SIDES. 
          UM, SO IT TECHNICALLY, IT, IT'S NOT ALLOWED, IT'S A DUPLEX, AND SO A DUPLEX WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THE CURRENT ZONING OF R SIX. 
          SO BY REZONING IT AND, UM, REQUESTING THE TWO UNITS, THEY'RE BASICALLY MAKING, MAKING THE SITUATION RIGHT AS FAR AS ZONING GOES. 
          BUT AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THEIR OTHER OPTION IS, IS THAT THEY CAN MAKE IT AN AIRBNB IF IT'S NOT APPROVED TODAY AS A DUPLEX. 
          UM, SO NO MA'AM, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION, ANY MORE QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT? OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE, RESPOND COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS? NO, UH, MR. DAVIS, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION. 
          UM, SO IF SOMEONE ASKS YOU A QUESTION, YOU MAY RESPOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I, UM, IN, IN LIGHT OF STILL THE SAME STANCE WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WE'VE GOT AT LEAST, UH, FIVE, UH, NEIGHBORS IN OPPOSITION. 
          SO, UM, I MOVE TO DENY, UM, CASE NUMBER EIGHT. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF CASE NUMBER EIGHT. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? THIS IS COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS. 
          SEEING NO DISCUSSION. 
          SEEING NO DISCUSSION. 
          STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMI? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. 
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DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          THAT WAS AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          I BELIEVE SHE HAD TO LEAVE PRO. 
          TIM GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SIPES? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES 9 2 1. 
          AND THAT'S FOR DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM 
          [17. 21-3329 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700065 CD (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 CD MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District with a Conditional Use for Motor Vehicle Sales on Lot 9, Lot 10, Lot 11, and Lot 12, Block 170, NCB 9453, located at 3320 Commercial Avenue. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, michael.pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ]
NUMBER 17. 
          ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAIN THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 33 20 COMMERCIAL AVENUE, 25 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO, WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR FOR OPPOSITION. 
          AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE CURRENT R SIX ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED C TWO CD WOULD ALSO BE AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE STREET, AND FOR THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. 
          THE CONDITIONAL USE WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OPERATE A C THREE USE, BUT POTENTIALLY MITIGATE IMPACT THROUGH THE APPLICATION OF CONDITIONS SUCH AS THE LIMITATION OF HOURS OF OPERATIONS, DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING, LANDSCAPE BUFFERING, AND LIMITATION OF SIGNAGE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. 
          PLEASE, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          HELLO? YES, THIS IS DANNY. 
          I AM THE APPLICANT ON 33 20 COMMERCIAL, AND, UH, I AM APPLYING, UH, TO, UH, CONVERT MY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY INTO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT? YES, THE PROJECT'S GOING TO BE A, UM, A CAR, A CAR SALES LOT, UM, NOT, NOT, NOT NOTHING MAJOR, JUST A COUPLE, UH, USED, USED CAR VEHICLES. 
          UM, UH, THERE'S A, A OLD, A OLD HOME THERE THAT IS, UH, BEING CONVERTED INTO A OFFICE OR I'M GOING TO CONVERT INTO AN OFFICE WITH, WITH THE APPROVAL OF, OF, OF YOU GUYS. 
          UM, SO I NEED SOME REMODEL, REMODELING, PAINT WORKS AND RE FOUNDATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, PLAN ON, ON, ON PAVING OR PUTTING SOME CONCRETE DOWN ON THE, IN THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE PARKING LOT AREA. 
          UM, MAKING IT LOOK AS NICE AS NICE, COULD POSSIBLY BE PUTTING SOME NICE LIGHTING OUT. 
          AND, UM, AND THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT FOR NOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , OH, VICE CHAIR. 
          I, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY, UH, CALLERS, LIFE CALLERS OR A VOICEMAIL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THIS IS, UH, AND I'M, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I JUST, I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION THAT, UH, FAIR BOOST DEANTE HAD HAD STEPPED AWAY FOR THE MINUTE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE, SO COMMISSIONER MCGEE, THIS IS YOURS AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          SO DANNY, FORGIVE ME, I, I DON'T KNOW YOUR LAST NAME, , SO I'LL JUST CALL YOU DANNY. 
          OKAY. 
          PENA. 
          DANNY . 
          OH, MR. PENA. 
          OH, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY, NO PROBLEM. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, CAN YOU TELL ME, UH, MORE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? SO, UM, TELL ME, UH, ABOUT HOW, WHAT YOUR, WHAT HOURS DO YOU PLAN TO OPERATE? UM, I PLAN, UH, I'M HOPING THAT I, I WANT TO PLAN ON STARTING AT ABOUT 9:00 AM. 
          UH, AND USUALLY, UH, USUALLY THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, COULD STAY OPEN AS LATE AS, UH, AT SEVEN OR 8:00 PM UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY HOW I WANNA START FOR THE FIRST, SAY, THREE TO SIX MONTHS, 
          [03:05:01]
UM, TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH CLIENTS OF, UH, THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THAT MARKET. 
          AND THEN, UH, I WORK POSSIBLY ABOUT SIX DAYS A WEEK, UM, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, AT THAT POINT DETERMINE, UM, WHAT THE ADJUSTED HOURS WOULD BE WHEN, WHEN, AT WHAT DAYS, AND WHAT TIMES ARE OUR SPIKE OF BUSINESS. 
          UM, SO THAT WAY WE COULD READJUST AND, AND, AND, AND BE AVAILABLE FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE, FOR THE CLIENT, UM, AT, ON THE DAYS AND TIMES THAT, THAT ARE MOST CONVENIENT TO THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, WHAT KIND OF CARS, HOW MANY CARS, UM, DO YOU PLAN TO, UH, UM, SELL OUT OF THIS LOCATION? UM, I, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK ANY MORE THAN, I MEAN, MAY 15, I MEAN, IF, IF IT DOES, WELL, HOPEFULLY 15, 20, BUT I'M THINKING IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN SEVEN TO 10 ON A, ON A, ON A NORMAL, ON A NORMAL MONTH. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH Y'ALL'S PERMISSION, I WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY HAVE UP TO 15 ONE DAY IF I BECOME SUCCESSFUL ENOUGH. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S ONLY IF, IF, IF THE BUSINESS DOES WELL, WHICH I, WHICH OBVIOUSLY EVERY OWNER, BUSINESS OWNER HOPES FOR. 
          BUT I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE FOR A MAXIMUM OF ABOUT 15, UM, UM, ON THE, ON THE SMALL AND MAYBE FIVE, BETWEEN FIVE AND 10. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, STAFF, DO YOU MIND PUTTING THE SITE PLAN UP PLEASE? ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND THEN TELL ME ABOUT, UH, CUSTOMER AND EMPLOYEE PARKING. 
          UH, HOW MANY SPACES ARE YOU PLANNING FOR, UH, YOUR CUSTOMERS AND FOR YOUR, UM, EMPLOYEES? UM, FOR THE EMPLOYEES THERE'S GONNA BE ABOUT FOUR TO, UM, FIVE SPACES, MAYBE FOUR TO SIX. 
          UH, AND FOR CUSTOMER PARKING? UM, FOR CUSTOMER PARKING, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT ABOUT, UM, AT LEAST 10. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, JUST TO HAVE, JUST TO HAVE A MM-HMM. 
          , GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. 
          NO, I'M SORRY. 
          I, I WAS JUST SAYING, YEAH, I JUST SHOULD TRY TO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE AVAILABLE. 
          I JUST, I GUESS, I GUESS AFTER, ONCE I GET THE, THE CONCRETE OR THE ASPHALT DOWN, I, IT'LL KIND OF DETERMINE I'LL, I'LL BE ABLE TO SEE MORE OR LESS WHAT KIND OF SPACE I HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, ON THE EXACT AMOUNT OF SPOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE AND THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES THAT I COULD ACTUALLY EVEN HAVE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING, SO THE, THE LOTS, UM, WHERE ARE THE CARS FOR SALE GOING TO BE, UM, ON YOUR SITE PLAN? ON THE SITE PLAN? UH, UH, I TRIED TO DRAW IT THE BEST I COULD. 
          THERE'S, UH, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT UP FRONT. 
          I ONLY PUT TWO LITTLE SPOTS ON EACH SIDE, BUT MORE FIT THERE. 
          UM, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DRAW A WHOLE BUNCH, UM, ON THAT SITE PLAN JUST SO THAT WE HAVE TO GET A GENERAL IDEA. 
          BUT IF YOU SEE ALONG THAT FRONT LINE OF COMMERCIAL AVENUE, UM, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ABOUT ON EACH SIDE OF THAT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE, PROBABLY ABOUT, UM, FOUR, FIVE TO MAYBE SIX FIT ON EACH SIDE OF THAT CONCRETE, UM, ENTRANCE. 
          UM, AND THEN, AND THEN I WAS HOPING IN THE, IN THE BACK WILL PROBABLY MORE THAN LIKELY BE FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THE BACK. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A SPACE BEHIND THE, WHAT WILL BE THE OFFICE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THERE'S A SAFETY BEHIND THERE FOR, TO FIT, LIKE, UM, SIDE BY SIDE ABOUT THREE TO FOUR CARS. 
          UM, UH, OR JUST LINE STRAIGHT UP TO PROBABLY FIT ABOUT EIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          FROM MY, FROM THE MEASUREMENTS THAT I, FROM THE MEASUREMENTS THAT I'VE TAKEN, I MEAN, I, I'M, I'M NOT RIGHT ON THE RIGHT ON THE MONEY AS FAR AS EXACT MEASUREMENTS, BUT I'M PRETTY, I'M PRETTY SURE I'M PRETTY CLOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, UH, WHAT TYPE OF, UH, SCREENING DID YOU PLAN ON HAVING TOWARDS THAT BACK ALLEY, UM, THAT'S FACING, UH, TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD? DID YOU PLAN ON HAVING SOME LANDSCAPING THERE? ANY TYPE OF AT, AT ALL? YEAH. 
          WELL, MY ACTUAL PLAN WAS, I, I WAS TRYING TO, I GUESS GET AHOLD OF SOMEBODY IN THE, AT THE CITY TO SEE HOW I COULD EITHER ADOPT OR PURCHASE THAT IN THAT ALLEY SO THAT WAY I COULD KEEP IT MANICURED AND FENCE IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WITHOUT BEING THE OWNER OF THE ALLEY, I HAVE TO FENCE, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE, UM, MY PROPERTY LINE IS. 
          WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO IS, IS SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT I COULD GO, WHICH I, I, I'VE HEARD THAT THERE'S WAYS, BUT I WANT TO SEE IF, UH, WHO EXACTLY HAVE TO TALK TO, TO TRY TO PURCHASE THAT ALLEY SO THAT WAY I COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AND, AND KEEP IT NICE AND CLEAN AND CUT AND GROOMED AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I DUNNO IF THAT, I DUNNO IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH, THAT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO TELL ME ABOUT, UM, THE CARS THAT NEED, UM, REPAIR 
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AND MAINTENANCE AND WHATNOT. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU PLAN ON DOING, WORKING ON THE PROPERTY, ON THE VEHICLES? NOT AT THE, UH, NOT AT THE MOMENT, MA'AM, TO BE HONEST, I, I, I HAVE A, UM, A, UH, A PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, WITH ANOTHER LOCATION THAT IS ALREADY LICENSED AND BONDED TO DO THE REPAIRS. 
          I MEAN, MINOR THINGS THERE AT THE LOCATION, LIKE A BATTERY CHANGE, A SPARK PLUG CHANGE, UH, SPARK PLUG CHANGE, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE TO GET REALLY INTO DETAIL AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE MOTOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          ANY BODY WORK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WILL BE DONE OUTSIDE OF THAT LOCATION. 
          THAT LOCATION'S JUST GONNA BE MAINLY SALES, JUST ALL SALES. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THAT POINT, BUT THAT, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT READY TO TAKE THAT ON YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO T TELL ME ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF, UH, SIGNAGE DO YOU PLAN ON, UM, HAVING HERE ON UH, COM? UM, COMMERCIAL DRIVE ON COMMERCIAL AVENUE? I, I PLAN ON PUTTING, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE I PUT A FENCE UP, UM, ONCE I PUT A FENCE UP, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, USED CAR, UH, USED CAR SALES. 
          UM, UM, UH, WHAT I'M GONNA BE DOING IS, YOU KNOW, UM, OWNER, LIKE IN-HOUSE FINANCING, UM, LOW DOWN PAYMENTS. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          THAT, I DIDN'T MEAN WHAT WAS GONNA GO ON THE SIGN, BUT YEAH. 
          SO I THINK THAT, UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION, UM, WITH THE COUNCIL OFFICE, BUT I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A SECOND. 
          SO DID YOU PLAN ON, OKAY, I, I , UH, DID YOU PLAN ON UTILIZING ANY TYPE OF, UH, UH, SPEAKERS, UM, TO CALL OUT TO YOUR EMPLOYEES OR CUSTOMERS ON THIS, UH, PROPERTY? OH, UM, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA BE THAT ADVANCED YET. 
          NOT, NOT, NOT AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT IN MIND. 
          NO, MA'AM. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO STAFF, I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          SO, UM, SO THE SITE PLAN, I, I THOUGHT IT HAD TO BE MORE DETAILED AS FAR AS WHERE PARKING GOES AND, UM, WHERE THE VEHICLES WILL BE PARKED AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. 
          AM I INCORRECT IN THINKING THAT? NO, MA'AM. 
          YOU ARE CORRECT, AND I'M ALREADY COMPILING A LIST OF THINGS TO WORK ON WITH MR. PENYA ON THIS SITE PLAN. 
          UM, SO THE PARKING WOULD NORMALLY BE SHOWN ON HERE, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, IF HE'S GONNA USE THE EXISTING HOME AS THE BUILDING, THEN UH, WE WOULD ALSO NEED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S ON THERE OR NOT. 
          IT SAYS NINE LOOKS LIKE IT, LOOKS LIKE IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE DETAILS ARE ON THERE IN THEIR ENTIRETY. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I, AND WE, UH, I WOULD LOVE TO MEET WITH YOU MORE SO WE COULD TALK ABOUT CONDITIONS AND SOME OTHER ITEMS, AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO INVOLVE THE COUNCIL OFFICE IN THAT, UH, MEETING. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOUR SITE PLAN, UM, ISN'T READY FOR TODAY. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO, UM, MEET WITH YOU BEFORE THE NEXT, UM, ZONING HEARING. 
          SO IF YOU COULD JUST, UM, MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I GET YOUR, UH, CONTACT INFORMATION, YOU CAN GET MY CONTACT INFORMATION FROM YOUR, UM, YOUR, UH, CASE MANAGER. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY I COULD JUST CALL HIM A CASE MANAGER, BUT  AND THEN ALSO THE, THE DISTRICT, UH, THREE, UH, COUNCIL STAFF AS WELL. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, UH, MR. PENA IS TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD CONTINUANCE, UM, FOR TWO WEEKS. 
          IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S ENOUGH TIME OR WE CAN DO A MONTH, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH? TWO TO TWO OR FOUR WEEKS? UH, YES MA'AM. 
          THE SOONER THE BETTER ONE OR TWO WEEKS WOULD BE, WOULD BE FINE. 
          WHATEVER Y'ALL NEED, I'LL GET IT DONE RIGHT AWAY TO LET ME KNOW WHAT THAT IS AND I'LL GET IT DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO THAT THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR FOR YOUR TIME AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU. 
          UM, NO, NO THANKS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY MAY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          SO I'M, I'M, UH, LET ME JUST, UH, CHECK IN. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS IN LIGHT OF THE CONTINUANCE FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS INTENT? UM, ALRIGHT, SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MCGEE? OH WAIT. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS WAS, DID I MISS ONE? OH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          I'M SORRY I MISSED YOU. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          UH, IT'S FOR STAFF. 
          I GUESS I'LL, NOW NOW'S THE TIME TO ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          WHAT ABOUT SATURATION ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET? I SEE A LOT OF AWFUL, UH, OTHER, UH, SMALL CAR LOTS. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT, UM, IN THE TWO WEEKS THAT WE'RE GET HELPING HIM WORK, WORK ON HIS SITE PLAN IS AND THAT, THAT WASN'T A CONCERN WITH YOU RIGHT NOW? 
          [03:15:06]
GUESS NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE, UH, MICHAEL IS EXPLAINING THAT HE DROVE OUT THERE AT, WHEN HE DID THE SITE VISIT AND HE DID NOT SEE, UH, WHAT APPEARED TO BE A SATURATION CONCERN IN THAT REGARD. 
          REGARD, UH, OKAY. 
          THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT DOWN THE STREET. 
          LET ME, UH, LET ME ASK THE APPLICANT HOW MANY OTHERS CAR LOTS ARE WITH ARE NEAR YOU, DO YOU KNOW? UH, AS FAR, AS FAR AS I'VE SEEN ACTUALLY IN PRODUCTION, UH, OF ACTUAL SALES IS ONE RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF, UH, WHAT IS THAT CORNER? IT'S A STREET OFF TO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING STRAIGHT AT, AT MY PROPERTY, IT'S TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. 
          UM, THERE IS SOME OTHER, UM, CAR PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, REPAIR TIRES AND REPAIR LIKE TRANSMISSIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, UH, AND DO LIKE, UM, INSPECTIONS FOR YOUR, YOUR REGISTRATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT I, A LOT OF THEM DO A MIX OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF THINGS FOR VEHICLES, REPAIRS, REPAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I, I PLAN ON DOING, UM, UH, STRICTLY CAR LOT AS FAR AS SALES. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE. 
          WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO YOU? IT, WHAT DOES IT DO? IT'S GOT A LOT OF CARS IN IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY, I, I, THEY'RE NEVER, GATES NEVER OPEN. 
          I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO. 
          I ASKED THE GENTLEMAN, I ASKED THE GENTLEMAN, YOU KNOW, UH, HAVE HIS TRAFFIC SCENE THERE, UH, AND HE SAYS THAT HE, HE, HE, HE DOES A LOT OF, UM, SCRAP METAL BUSINESS, UM, BUT HE HAS A LOT OF CARS THERE. 
          UM, SO I DIDN'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, GET INTO HIS BUSINESS TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANNA ASK HIM TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, HIM THINK I'M JUST TRYING TO BE ALL IN HIS BUSINESS. 
          SO I KIND OF JUST ASKED HIM A COUPLE LITTLE QUESTIONS LIKE THAT AND HE SAYS, NO, I, THE MAJORITY OF, OF WHAT HE DOES SEEMS TO BE SCRAP METAL. 
          UM, UH, I THINK HE DOES SOME FENCING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO HE DOES LIKE A COUPLE DIFFERENT, I GUESS SIDE JOBS, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL THEM. 
          UM, BUT IT, HIS MAIN, HIS MAIN THING IS NOT CARS. 
          THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE, UM, WITH STREAMERS. 
          AND SEE, I PLAN ON PUTTING, YOU KNOW, A, A CAR, A CAR LOT TO ME IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE STREAMERS, YOU HAVE CARS PARKED OUT FRONT, UM, YOU HAVE TRAFFIC COMING IN ON A DAILY BASIS TRYING TO BUY A CAR. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOUR BUSINESS IS. 
          BUT IF A CAR LOT IS A LOT WITH A LOT OF CARS ON IT, TO ME, IF I GO DOWN THAT STREET, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF A CONGREGATION OF CARS ON LOTS. 
          SO I WOULD SAY THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SATURATION GOING ON. 
          AND SO IF STAFF COULD LOOK INTO THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, THAT IN A VERY SMALL LENGTH OF, OF A STREET FROM ONE INTERSECTION TO THE NEXT, IT'S ALL CAR, CAR OR SOMETHING. 
          SO WE'LL SEE WHAT Y'ALL COME UP WITH. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER MCGEE? UM, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, BUSANTE. 
          I MOVE, UM, FOR A MOTION TO THE, UH, MAY 18TH, UH, MEETING FOR, UH, CASE NUMBER 17. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND JONES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO MAY 18TH BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. 
          DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. 
          I SEEING NONE. 
          ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          MR. MCGEE? YES. 
          MR. KATH? YES. 
          MR. WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBON? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
          PROAM GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE-CHAIR SY? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          AYE. 
          AND I'M GONNA CIRCLE BACK JUST ONE MORE TIME, UH, SO IT COMES OUT CLEARLY 
          [03:20:01]
FOR THE RECORD. 
          PRO TE GREATHOUSE, PLEASE. 
          HELLO? YES. 
          YES. 
          MOTION PASSES FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MAY THE 18TH. 
          10 TO ZERO. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          [13. 21-3234 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700059 S (Council District 6): A request for a change in zoning from "C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District and "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "L S MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Light Industrial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District with a Specific Use Authorization for Truck Repair and Maintenance with Outside Storage on Lot P-13K, P-13L, & P-B12, TR M, C13, Block 62, NCB 13942, located at 1621 South Callaghan Road. Staff recommends Denial. (Justin Malone, Planner, (210) 207-0157, Justin.Malone@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department). ]
NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO UM, CASE NUMBER 13. 
          ITEM NUMBER 13, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO AND R SIX TO L S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR TRUCK REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME LOCATED AT 1621 SOUTH CALLAHAN ROAD. 
          47 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. 
          TWO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO RESPONSE FROM CABLE WESTWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE CURRENT R SIX AND C TWO ZONINGS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED L IS AN INAPPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA DUE TO THE HIGH AMOUNT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC AND INDUSTRIAL USES WITH THE LIMITED ACCESS TO CALLAHAN ROAD. 
          THE PROPOSED L ZONING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING C TWO AND R SIX IN THE AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, APPLICANT, IF YOU ARE PRESENT, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          SIR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HIT STAFF. 
          UM, DO WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE HIM ON THE LINE? YES, WE CAN SEE HIM ON THE LINE. 
          WE THINK HE'S HAVING DIFFICULTY CONNECTING, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IS CALL HIM BACK INTO THE MEETING ONE MORE TIME. 
          SO IF YOU BEAR WITH US FOR ABOUT 30 SECONDS WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET HIM ON THE LINE. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UH, ABOUT 30 SECONDS AND LET'S MOVE ON TO 14 IF WE CAN'T GET HIM. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, MR. ORTEGA, UM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          SO IT'S POSSIBLE AND WE USE FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE INDUSTRIAL. 
          HELLO? YES, SIR. 
          UM, I APOLOGIZE. 
          MY SPANISH ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. 
          UM, COULD WE ASK IF HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SPANISH AND USE THE TRANSLATOR? YES, YES SIR. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO. 
          UHHUH . 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE PROJECT IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO A MECHANIC THERE AND PARK SOME TRAILERS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP WITH TREES AND EVERYTHING AROUND JUST THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NEIGHBOR. 
          [03:25:14]
AND IN ORDER TO TRY TO AVOID BOTHERING THE NEIGHBORS, WE'RE GOING TO BE AT THE VERY REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND WE, WE REALLY TAKE CARE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND FIX THE STREETS IN FRONT OF US. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND IF WE ARE GIVING THE AUTHORIZATION, THEN WE WILL COOPERATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES WITH ANYTHING THEY WOULD NEED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF. 
          IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE WANT TO TRANSLATE THIS INTERSTITIAL? UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT SIX CASE, SO COMMISSIONER WHEAT, IT'S TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. ORTEGA FOR COMING TO SPEAK TO US TODAY. 
          UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          AND I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE AGAIN, INITIALLY IT WAS VERY CONFUSING AS TO WHICH WA WHICH PARCELS OF PROPERTY, UM, MR. ORTEGA WAS TRYING TO GET REZONED. 
          UM, COULD YOU BRING UP THE MOST RECENT AERIAL VIEW OF THIS, UH, OF HIS, UH, PROPERTY PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CAN YOU GET TO THE, UH, GOOGLE MAP AND SHOW THAT PROPERTY? OKAY. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, STAFF, WAS THERE A PREVIOUS APPLICATION TO REZONE THESE TWO, TWO, UH, PROPERTIES? MM-HMM. 
          ? YES, SIR. 
          THERE WAS AN APPLICATION. 
          IT WAS FOR TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO I ONE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, WHAT WAS THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION THEN? THE ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL. 
          AND WHEN IT WENT TO COUNCIL, UH, IT GOT WITHDRAWN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL VIEW RIGHT NOW OF YOUR PROPERTY TOWARDS THE BACK AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED R SIX, BUT I'M SEEING ABOUT 30 TRUCKS AND MULTIPLE VEHICLES PARKED THERE. 
          UM, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE THAT YOU'RE USING THIS PROPERTY FOR AT THIS TIME? OKAY, THE PURPOSE FOR THIS IS THAT WE ARE PARKING THE TRUCKS IN THERE AND ANYTHING THAT THESE TRUCKS MIGHT BE NEEDING, WE ARE GOING TO FIX IT. 
          THERE. 
          IT'S SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO PARK THE TRUCKS THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL? YES. 
          [03:30:03]
WELL, YES, IT IS A RESIDENTIAL, UH, ZONING, BUT, UH, THE RESIDENCES ARE NOT LOCATED NEARBY. 
          THEY ARE FAR AWAY, UH, BEYOND, UH, WHERE CALLAGHAN STREET BEGINS AND IT'S CURRENTLY TOWARDS THAT BACK AREA. 
          THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS AND THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT OWNERS THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MR. ORTEGA. 
          UM, CHAIR, I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, THIS IS FOR STAFF. 
          UH, I KEEP HEARING THAT BACK NOISE. 
          IS THAT COMING FROM THE STAFF, MIKE? NO MA'AM. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S COMING FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          APPLICANT'S MIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS LAST TIME, HE WAS QUITE AWARE THAT THIS WAS RESIDENTIAL R SIX AT THE TIME, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING WITH TO THE SAME OWNER, CORRECT? UH, THIS TO STAFF? UH, MA'AM, I, I DON'T THINK HE, HE IS THE SAME OWNER, BUT WE ARE GONNA CONFIRM THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE, UM, WITH THE TRANSLATOR, YES, BUT ONLY FROM ONE OF THE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THERE IT SHOWS LIKE THREE, BUT NOW I HAVE THE ADDRESS OF JUST 6.7 ACRES OF MY PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHEN DID HE, WHEN DID HE START TO OWN IT NOW IN 2018. 
          AND WHAT BRINGS HIM TO THIS CASE TODAY? WAS HE CITED? NO, UH, NO MA'AM. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO CHANGE THE ZONING. 
          WE DIDN'T WANNA BOTHER THE, THE NEIGHBORS OR THE AUTHOR. 
          THAT'S WHY WE REQUESTED THE ZONING CHANGE. 
          WHAT IS THE NAME OF HIS BUSINESS? WELL, IT'S AN L L C, BUT WE ARE, UH, CREATING IT JUST NOW IF WE DO RECEIVE THE PERMIT, THEN WE WILL CREATE THE L L C BUSINESS NAME AND WE'LL PRESENT IT TO THE CITY. 
          IS THIS, IS THIS A STOCK YARD FOR 18 WHEEL, SO THIS IS, THEY, THEY REST THEMSELVES THERE OR IS HE A MECHANIC AND WORKS ON THESE 18 WHEELERS? WELL THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING THE PERMIT RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME REPAIR WORK. 
          RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST PARKING THERE, THEY SPEND THE NIGHT AND THEN THEY LEAVE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO IT IS OKAY. 
          DOES HE, UM, HE IS CO-OWNER IN THE LAND. 
          DO THEY HAVE ANY TYPE OF LIABILITY INSURANCE? 
          [03:35:16]
YES, WE ALREADY, YES, WE ALREADY OBTAINED THE INSURANCE FOR ANY VEHICLE THAT MIGHT BE THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE WITHIN THE PROPERTY. 
          AND IS HE WILLING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON HIS, UH, ROADWAY THAT GOES PAST ALL THE RESIDENTS SUCH AS A FENCE? YES, OF COURSE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          IS HE WILLING TO PAVE THE ROAD? YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. 
          I'LL DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, STAFF, I KNOW FENCING COULD BE A REQUIREMENT IS PAVING THE ROAD THAT'S TO STAFF. 
          I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU, YOU WANNA KNOW WHETHER IT CAN BE A CONDITION FOR HIM TO PAVE THE ROAD? YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          FENCING CAN, CAN PAVING THE ROAD BE A CONDITION? NO, UH, THAT'S NOT A, A CONDITION THAT CAN BE ENFORCED AS PART OF IT. 
          I MEAN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I GUESS 'CAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          UM, TO COMMISSIONER, WE, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER IN THIS CASE? UM, THE TYPE OF  ALONG THE RESIDENTIALS? UM, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR ME, MA'AM. 
          YES. 
          NO, ACTUALLY I DON'T. 
          UM, BUT THE RESIDENTS HAVE ALREADY PUT UP WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS BUSINESS BEING OPERATED OUT OF R SIX AS FAR AS I KNOW SINCE 2018 WHEN THEY WERE DENIED THE APPLICATION. 
          SO I, I DON'T SEE WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED SINCE 2018 UNTIL NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THIS IS A QUESTION, HE'S WILLING TO PUT UP A FENCE. 
          IT'S A PRETTY LONG FENCE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER, WE TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS CASE, INITIALLY I THOUGHT I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG PROPERTY BECAUSE I PULLED UP THE MAP AND I'M LOOKING AT ALL THESE, UH, TRUCKS AND 18 WHEELERS PARKED, PARKED THERE. 
          AND I SAID, HUH, MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG PROPERTY. 
          BUT, UH, WORKING WITH THE UH, D S D STAFF, I REALIZED I WASN'T LOOKING AT THE WRONG PROPERTY AND THAT THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN OPERATING THERE SINCE 2018, DISREGARDING THIS REGARDING THE, UH, THE DECISIONS OF THE CITY ALREADY. 
          AND FOR US TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE, UH, CONDUCTING THAT BUSINESS IN OUR SIX, UH, ZONE REZONED PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE, THE, UH, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THIS, UH, APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          THE, UH, MOTION IS SALE OF ITEM NUMBER 13 BY COMMISSIONER WHEAT. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? UH, SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THERE IS A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KAMATH. 
          UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          UH, MOTION IS FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER 13 BY COMMISSIONER WHEAT WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KAMATH. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          STAFF? YES SIR. 
          I'M COMING. 
          UM, DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          D I THINK SHE HAD A STEP AWAY. 
          COMMISSIONER KATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          MR. GIBBONS? YES. 
          MR. WHITE. 
          [03:40:03]
MR. WHITE. 
           GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. 
          CARIBOU ANTE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE MOTION PASSES TO DENY. 
          EIGHT TO ZERO. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, COULD THE TRANSLATOR PLEASE INFORM THE APPLICANT OF THAT AND LET HIM KNOW TO CONTACT THE PROJECT MANAGER OR CASE MANAGER AND SHOULD HE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES SIR. 
          WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN HER INTO ANOTHER ROOM SO WE CAN GIVE HIM A CALL BACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, MOVING 
          [14. 21-3235 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700060 CD (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "R-4 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 CD AHOD" Commercial Airport Hazard Overlay District with a Conditional Use for Auto and Light Truck Repair with Outside Storage of Vehicles, Trailers, and Equipment on Lot 24, Block 78, NCB 2773, located at 1303 West Lullwood Avenue. Staff recommends Denial, with Alternate Recommendation. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2021-11600017) (Justin Malone, Planner, (210) 207-0157, Justin.Malone@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department). ]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14 PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK REPAIR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE OF VEHICLES, TRAILERS, AND EQUIPMENT OVERLAY REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 1303 WEST LOWELL WOOD AVENUE 19 NOTICES WERE MAILED. 
          EIGHT WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          KEYSTONE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. 
          THE CURRENT R FOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE REQUESTED C TWO CD IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS AN ALTERNATE ZONING OF C ONE CD LIGHT COMMERCIAL WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK REPAIR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE OF VEHICLES, TRAILERS, AND EQUIPMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF C ONE CD FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK REPAIR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE OF VEHICLES, TRAILERS, AND EQUIPMENT. 
          THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          UH, YES SIR. 
          HI, UH, CHUCK . 
          UH, YES, THE, UH, UH, UNFORTUNATELY THE, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT HAD BOUGHT THIS BUSINESS, THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING ON THIS BACK LOT FOR THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW, 50, 60 YEARS. 
          UH, THE, THE EXACT DATE IS UNKNOWN. 
          UM, THEY HAVE THE COOPERATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY'VE KEPT THE PROPERTY CLEAN. 
          THEY JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY REALIZE THE, THE FAILURE OF OF OPERATING ON THERE WITHOUT THE PROPER ZONING HAVE, HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN RECTIFY THE SITUATION AND ARE APPLYING FOR THE REZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE TO YOU. 
          UH, EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND, AND MS. GREATHOUSE, I JUST WANTED APOLOGIZE TO FIND IT OUT. 
          THE, UH, THE ONE THING THAT STAFF DID NOT NOTE, BUT, UH, THAT WE HAVE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT IS THEY WERE AMENDING THEIR REQUEST TO SEE ONE CD. 
          THEY AMENDED THEIR, UH, PLAN AMENDMENT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL LAND USE. 
          AND SO THEY WERE ALSO TO ALIGN THAT THEY WERE GOING TO AMEND HERE AT ZONING TO A C1 CD AND STAFF. 
          JUST TO BE CLEAR, ARE THERE ANY, UH, COMMUNITY COMMENTS, STAFF? NO. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, IN THAT CASE, NOW, AFTER MUCH DELAY TO, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, PLEASE. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, I, I ONLY REALLY HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND JUST TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE AMENDMENT TO THE C ONE CD. 
          UH, YES. 
          YES, WE'RE IN FULL AGREEMENT AND I APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I GUESS GIVEN THAT, UM, STAFF, UH, WITH THE CD, WE CAN PUT, UM, SOME CO CONDITIONS ON THIS, RIGHT? WITH RESPECT TO HOURS OF OPERATION AND, UM, BUFFERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO COULD YOU REMIND ME AGAIN WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE OR ALLOWABLE, UM, CONDITIONS THAT WE CAN PUT ON HERE? YES, MA'AM. 
          SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR CONDITIONAL USES ARE, AS YOU MENTIONED, HOURS OF OPERATION. 
          ALSO, UH, LIMITATIONS ON TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, UH, BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS, FENCING REQUIREMENTS, THOSE TYPES OF, OF, UH, CONDITIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, WHAT ARE THE HOURS YOU'RE PLANNING ON OPERATING THIS? UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TYPICALLY 
          [03:45:01]
AN EIGHT TO FIVE, BUT THE, THE OPERATION IS ACTUALLY TAKING PLACE ON THE HILDEBRAND PROPERTY. 
          UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS ONLY USED FOR THE STORAGE OF THE VEHICLES THAT THEY'RE WAITING ON PARTS AND, AND WAITING TO WORK ON. 
          SO THERE'S ACTUALLY NO WORK BEING PERFORMED ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          IT IS JUST SIMPLY A HOLDING PLACE FOR THE VEHICLES BEING WORKED ON. 
          BUT NO WORK IS BEING DONE ON THE VEHICLES ON THE LOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU ARE STILL WOULD BE POTENTIALLY MOVING THE VEHICLES TO AND FROM THEIR HOLDING SPOTS, CORRECT? YES, YES. 
          THERE IS A PRIVACY FENCE THAT GOES AROUND IT, AND THERE'S ALSO AN ENTRYWAY OFF THE HILDEBRAND ROAD. 
          SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY, ANY DISRUPTION OR, OR ANY, UH, DISRUPTION TO THE PRIVACY OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S NO ENTRY POINT ON THE BACKSIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO DRIVE ONTO THE STREET HERE WHERE THIS GATE IS, I GUESS THE, THE PRIVACY FENCE IS ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO DRIVE THERE, YOU'RE JUST, IT'S ALL, THE MOVEMENT IS INTERNAL. 
          NO, MA'AM. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? NOT, NOT COMPLETELY. 
          THE, THERE IS, THERE IS ONE GATE OFF THE SIDE ROAD, BUT NOT, NOT BACK TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          THAT PARTICULAR, UH, SIDE GATE IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM, UH, FROM THE BANK THAT'S LOCATED ON THE ACCESS ROAD, SO THAT, THAT PARTICULAR ENTRYWAY IS, IS AWAY FROM ALL THE RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC AND, AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          I DO STILL THINK I, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE DO HAVE SOME HOURS OF OPERATION ON LIMITATIONS HERE, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE MOVEMENT OF CARS, SLAMMING OF DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD POTENTIALLY DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS. 
          SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE EIGHT TO FIVE, AND THAT'S MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? UH, YES. 
          UH, AND THERE IS, YOU KNOW, UH, WORK BEING DONE LIKE WITH MOST AUTOMOTIVE FACILITIES, UH, YOU KNOW, SATURDAY MORNINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MONDAY TO FRIDAY, EIGHT TO 5:00 PM AND THEN SATURDAYS FROM SAY EIGHT TO 12 OR NINE TO 12 OR NINE TO ONE. 
          NOW THEY COULD PROHIBIT ANY ACTIVITY ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT, BUT STILL ALLOWING THEM TO OPERATE ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, INSIDE THE FACILITY, WHICH IS ZONE CORRECTLY, THAT, THAT FRONT'S ON HILDEBRAND, CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY ALLOWABLE, YES. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, WHAT IS YOUR, UH, WHAT'S YOUR MAILING ADDRESS FOR THIS PRACTICE? UH, I, I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMA. 
          THE, THE MAILING ADDRESS OF THE FACILITY ITSELF IS, IS BASED ON A HILDEBRAND ADDRESS. 
          OKAY, SO IT'S THE HILDEBRAND, NOT THE ELLWOOD, CORRECT. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          ELLWOOD IS JUST SIMPLY, UH, A HOLDING SPOT FOR THE VEHICLES. 
          THERE'S, AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WORK OR ANYTHING BEING PERFORMED ON 'EM. 
          AND THE FENCING BACK THERE, IS IT GONNA REMAIN CHAIN LINK? UH, ACTUALLY THE FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY IS, UH, IS, UM, IS A WOOD PRIVACY FENCE, UH, SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOU IS A RESIDENT? YES, MA'AM. 
          THERE, THERE IS A RESIDENCE, UH, ON THE, ON THE BACKSIDE ON LONGWOOD? YES, MA'AM. 
          SO YOU ALREADY HAVE A FENCE UP THAT DOESN'T LOOK TO CODE? AS A MATTER, I DON'T THINK YOUR GATE IS TO CODE. 
          UH, THAT, THAT I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION. 
          UH, I AM GATE APPLICANT ON THE ZONING CASE. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE IF I'M SORRY. 
          DO YOU WANT, CAN I TALK? YES, MA'AM. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST LOOKING AT YOUR BACK GATE, I DON'T THINK IT'S TO CODE. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE A PRIVACY GATE THAT SWINGS OUT AND BLOCKS THE VIEW ON A CORNER LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING ON THAT LOT. 
          IS THAT THE CASE? OR, AND IS THERE ANY PLANS FOR ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING, WHOLE LIGHTING OR, OR SUCH ON THAT LOT? NO, SIR. 
          THERE'S NO LIGHTING ON THE LOT AND, AND THERE'S NO SIGNAGE ON THE LOT AS E EITHER. 
          AND, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY 
          [03:50:01]
OUTLINED ON THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WOULD NOT TYPICALLY, UM, BE IN SUPPORT OF, UM, BRINGING COMMERCIAL, UM, INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA LIKE THIS, BUT, UM, GIVEN THE SPECIFICS OF THIS LOT BEING ACROSS THE STREET FROM AN INDUSTRIAL USE, UM, SO CLOSE TO I 10, THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BEING USED FOR THIS PURPOSE, UM, FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND, AND HAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, UM, I'LL MAKE, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF C ONE CD, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER 14, UH, WITH THE LIMITATION ON HOURS MONDAY TO FRIDAY, EIGHT TO 5:00 PM AND SATURDAY 8:00 AM TO 1:00 PM SECOND ROMELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER OAL, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION, UH, C ONE C D, WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, CONDITION OF HOURS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE AND SATURDAY EIGHT TO ONE. 
          UM, THERE IS A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          I WAS WONDERING IF, UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WOULD AGREE TO ADD IN A RESTRICTION ON, ON POLE LIGHTING? I, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT SAID THAT THERE'S NO DESIRE FOR THAT YET, BUT, BUT, UM, IF WE COULD JUST HAVE THAT AS A RESTRICTION, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR A PROHIBITION OF POLE LIGHTING. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, DO YOU ACCEPT THAT? YES. 
          AND JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS IS STAFF THAT WOULD BE DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING? WELL, I WAS THINKING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO POLE LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, LIGHTS THAT ARE UP ON A POLE ABOVE, WHETHER IT BE DOWNWARD FACING OR ANYTHING. 
          I I, I DON'T WANT IT TO APPEAR TO BE A FRONT FOR THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR FOR IT TO APPEAR TO BE A PARKING LOT AT NIGHT THAT'S LIT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          IT DOES. 
          AND, AND FOR THAT, UH, IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, WE DO USUALLY USE, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT, OF JUST DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING BECAUSE THAT DENOTES THAT IT'S NOT TO INTRUDE INTO ANY OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, BUT TO FACE DOWNWARD JUST TO BE LIKE SECURITY LIGHTING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO STAFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IS THERE A PROHIBITION ON DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING AS A CONDITION, OR IS IT A CONDITION OF ONLY DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING? A CONDITION OF ONLY DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING? VERY WELL. 
          SO THERE'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR A CONDITION OF DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, DO YOU ACCEPT THAT? OKAY. 
          DOES THAT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE POLE LIGHTING STAFF? YES. 
          IT'S, IT'S JUST YES, JUST LIKE SECURITY LIGHTING. 
          OKAY. 
          I GUESS COMMISSIONER S SIPES, DOES THAT, DOES THAT GET AT WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO? UH, NOT EXACTLY, BUT, UM, IF WE CAN'T, IF, IF THERE'S NO WAY TO COMPLETELY ELIMINATE A WHOLE LIGHT, I, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE RESTRICTION TO DOWNWARD FACE LI DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING ONLY. 
          UM, BUT I, I LEAVE THAT TO YOU . 
          UM, THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP BY THE WAY, BUT I MEAN, YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING AT YOUR HOUSE AS WELL, RIGHT? LIKE OFF OF YOUR GARAGE, LIKE A SECURITY-WISE, I THINK WITH THAT. 
          UM, GIVEN THAT, UH, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE, UH, ONLY DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING BEING A CONDITION, SO DO I NEED TO REST MY MOTION? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES, EXCEPT, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS, UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL 
          [03:55:01]
AS AMENDED, WHICH IS, UH, THE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF C ONE CD CONDITIONS OF BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE, SATURDAY, EIGHT TO ONE, AND DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING AS THE TWO CONDITIONS. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? WELL, NONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY IF I LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IF YOU GO DOWN WARNER, YOU GO SIX BLOCKS, AND THERE IS NO COMMERCIAL, ONLY ON ONE SIDE OF WARNER. 
          IS IT COMMERCIAL? HOW THIS EVER GOT TO BE COMMERCIAL INTO A RESIDENTIAL LOT AND INFRINGES ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? I, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT TO THAT POINT, BUT IT'S, IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CLEARLY AN ENCROACHMENT INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE IS NO OTHER RESIDE, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE OF WARNER ONLY ON ONE SIDE AND ONLY IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE, ANY OF THE CONDITIONS, WHETHER YOU PUT ANY CONDITIONS ON IT, THAT'S SUCH AN ENCROACHMENT AND I, I, I, I FEEL A DUTY TO DEFEND THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, TO PROTECT THEIR WELLBEING, TO PROTECT THEIR AIR, TO PROTECT THEIR SOUND. 
          AT 7:00 AM IN THE MORNING, I GOT A NEIGHBOR HAS A DIESEL TRUCK. 
          I HEAR IT EVERY MORNING, HE WAKES ME UP. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE BEING NEXT TO A SHOP WITH ALL KINDS OF CARS THAT COME AND GO AND ALL KINDS OF FUN SOUNDS AND WHATEVER. 
          SO, UH, HORRIBLE. 
          THIS IS ALL HORRIBLE MOTION ON THIS TRACK, SO I'M NOT SUPPORTING IT. 
          AND MAYBE SOME OF YOU ALL NEED TO GO LIVE OVER THERE, SEE IF YOU REALLY WOULD APPROVE IT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, YOU TRY TO MAKE THAT AS COLORFUL AS I COULD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU, YOU SUCCEEDED. 
          UM, AS THE CHAIR, I'M GONNA HAVE THE FINAL WORD, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHERE COMMISSIONER GIBBONS IS COMING FROM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE EXISTING USE, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          UH, SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, STAFF ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          I'M SORRY, SHE STEPPED AWAY. 
          COMMISSIONER KATH? UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUI. 
          AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          OH, OH MY GOD. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGANT. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, PROAM GREATHOUSE? YES, YES, YES, YES. 
          VICE CHAIR? SI. 
          YES. 
          CHAIR BUSTAMANTE. 
          CAN I TAKE ? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES TO APPROVE. 
          EIGHT TO ONE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          UH, WE'RE MOVING 
          [20. 21-3331 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700070 (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "C-2NA H UC-4 AHOD" Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Tobin Hill Historic North St. Mary's St. Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 H UC-4 AHOD" Commercial Tobin Hill Historic North St. Mary's St. Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 3, East 17.6 Feet of Lot 2 and West 30.3 feet of Lot 4, Block 4, NCB 2997, located at 609 East Dewey Place. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER 20, ANOTHER OF COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S. 
          GREAT. 
          HIT GREATEST HITS. 
          ITEM NUMBER 20 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO NA YES. 
          C TWO NA TO C TWO. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 6 0 9 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 
          22 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. 
          THREE WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. 
          AND EIGHT OTHER NOTICES WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. 
          THE CURRENT C TWO NA COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED C TWO IS ALSO APPROPRIATE AS IT ALLOWS EXISTING BUILDING TO BE REUTILIZED AS A RESTAURANT, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE USES FOUND ALONG THE ST. 
          MARY'S CORRIDOR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, INCLUDING YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I SIR, YOU'LL NEED TO HIT STAR SIX IN ORDER TO BE HEARD EVERY TIME YOU SAY THAT, I THINK I HAVE NOT UNMUTED MYSELF. 
          YES. 
          UH, IF YOU'RE THE APPLICANT, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          YES. 
          UH, MY NAME IS DANNY DELGADO. 
          UM, I AM THE OWNER AND ALSO CO-OWNER OF THE LONESOME ROSES. 
          UH, I'M HERE WITH HILLARY WOODHOUSE AND GARRETT TCAPS, WHO ARE MY BUSINESS PARTNERS. 
          UH, 
          [04:00:01]
WE ARE, WE, OUR PROPERTY IS AT 6 0 8, UH, EAST DEWEY. 
          AND WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS REMOVE THE NA ZONING, UH, TO JUST C TWO. 
          AND, UM, OUR CONCEPT WAS TO DO A FOOD COURT COURTYARD AND LOUNGE FOR A FOOD AND DRINK. 
          AND WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH JESSICA KIRK KIRKENDAL, WHO IS PART OF MPA AND OCHO AT THE HAVANA. 
          UH, WE BASICALLY WANTED HER RUN AN OUTSIDE KITCHEN THROUGH HER MPA TRUCK. 
          AND SHE, SHE ALSO HAS A MPA RESTAURANT OUT BY OMO. 
          UM, SHE ALSO LIVED IN THE AREA AND WE'VE BEEN PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 10 YEARS. 
          UM, UH, THAT'S THE GIST OF IT. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. DELGADO. 
          UM, IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT STAFF? YES, SIR. 
          WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          LET'S BEGIN. 
          HI, THIS IS SANDEEP AND SUNITA PATEL. 
          OUR ADDRESS IS 6 0 5 KENDALL STREET, AND THE CASE NUMBER FOR THIS CASE IS Z 20 21 1 0 7 0 0 0 7 0. 
          AND OUR VOTE WOULD BE A NO TO THE REZONING OF SELLING ALCOHOL IN THAT BUILDING. 
          UM, WE HAVE HAD BEEN DEALING WITH LOUD MUSIC AND PEDESTRIANS FOR YEARS AND, UM, WE HAD A RECENT SHOOTING IN OUR PARKING LOT WITH GUN CASINGS. 
          AND YES, WE WOULD BE VERY MUCH AGAINST, UM, ANOTHER BAR IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OUR RESIDENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          BYE-BYE. 
          CASE NUMBER Z 2021 TEN SEVEN THOUSAND SEVENTY FOR 6 0 9 EASTY PLACE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          MY NAME IS PAULY TORO AND I HAVE LIVED AT MY RESIDENCE 6 0 2 EAST DEWEY PLACE SINCE JULY OF 2000. 
          AFTER HIGH TONES BAR OPENED AT 6 21 EAST STEWY PLACE, I WAS AMAZED AT HOW QUICKLY THE QUALITY OF LIFE ON MY STREET DETERIORATED. 
          THERE IS REGULAR DISRUPTION TO MY STREET AND NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT EXCEPTION. 
          EVERY WEEKEND THERE HAVE BEEN LOUD VERBAL ALTERCATIONS AND BLOODY FIGHTS. 
          THREE OF MY CARS HAVE BEEN HIT AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS DAMAGE DONE ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS BY INTOXICATED PATRONS LEAVING THE AREA. 
          BROKEN BOTTLES AND TRASH ARE STREWN IN MY YARD ON MY SIDEWALK AND IN THE GUTTERS. 
          PATRONS ARE URINATING ON MY FRONT STEPS, VEHICLES AND YARDS. 
          THEY CONTINUALLY HARASS MY DOGS DURING AND AFTER SERVING HOURS. 
          LOUD MUSIC BLARES SOMETIMES AFTER 2:00 AM AND ON WEEKNIGHTS, AND THERE IS A CONSTANT LACK OF PARKING. 
          PEOPLE HAVE COME ONTO MY PROPERTY AND STOLEN FROM ME. 
          I COMPLAINED VOCIFEROUSLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS WITH LIMITED RESULTS. 
          SS A P D INCREASED PATROLS FOR A SHORT TIME AND ENFORCED PARKING LAWS, WHICH HELPED, BUT THAT WAS SHORT-LIVED AND HAS NOT REALLY BEEN A PRIORITY FOR OUR AREA IN THE RECENT PAST. 
          THE LACK OF PARKING CAUSES ALL SORTS OF ISSUES FOR RESIDENTS, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DRIVING INTOXICATED EVERY WEEKEND IS ALSO A BIG CONCERN. 
          HIGH TOWNS PETITIONED FOR AND RECEIVED PERMISSION TO ENCLOSE THEIR PARKING AREA, SO IN ORDER TO ADD MORE VENUE SPACE, WHICH HAS FURTHER EXACERBATED THE PARKING PROBLEM AND IS AN ONGOING AGGRAVATION. 
          APRIL 3RD, 2021. 
          THERE WERE GUNSHOTS OUTSIDE HIGH TONE AND TERRIBLE FIGHT WITH 12 PLUS PATRONS THAT STARTED ON DEWEY AND ENDED ON THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE ON KENDALL STREET. 
          WE CALLED THE POLICE AND I FEARED SOMEONE WOULD BE KILLED BEFORE THE POLICE COULD ARRIVE. 
          WHEN THE POLICE DID COME, THEY DID NOT TAKE DOWN ANY NAMES OR GIVE ANY SOBRIETY TESTS BEFORE SENDING THE COMBATANTS HOME THAT A FEW DAYS LATER A MAN WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD AND KILLED JUST A FEW BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE. 
          THESE SAFETY CONCERNS ARE IMPORTANT AND NEED TO BE ADDRESSED NOW. 
          ANOTHER BAR IS PROPOSED TO OPEN AT 6 0 9 EAST DEWEY, AND THERE ARE STILL THE ISSUES OF PARKING, TRASH AND CODE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          WHERE WILL PATRONS PARK? WHERE WILL RESIDENTS PARK WHO WILL MAKE SURE THE LAW IS FOLLOWED AND WILL POLICE BE ALLOWED TO DO THEIR JOB? THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. 
          MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 884-7479. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, HELLO, THIS IS POLLY BONE. 
          I LIVE ON EAST CORTLAND PLACE TWO TEN SIX SIX SEVEN SEVEN EIGHT ONE ONE IS MY PHONE NUMBER. 
          I'M CALLING REGARDING A ZONING CHANGE. 
          UH, LAST THREE IS 0 7 0. 
          I CHANGED ON, UH, EAST DEWEY ABOUT A BLOCK FROM MY HOUSE. 
          I'M OPPOSED TO IT. 
          UM, THE CHANGE WOULD ALLOW ESTABLISHMENTS TO SELL ALCOHOL. 
          UM, THERE ARE TOO MANY BARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. 
          AND IN ADDITION, UH, THIS WOULD BE AN ENCROACHMENT ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          IT IS NOT ON ST. 
          MARY'S STREET. 
          IT'S NOT, SAY IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO ST. 
          MARY'S STREET AND IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM PRIVATE RESIDENCES. 
          UM, PLEASE, UM, DO NOT CHANGE THE ZONING. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
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UH, MY NAME IS JAY FARWELL. 
          I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO, UH, CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 2 1 1 7 0 7 0 0 0 7 0. 
          UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN THE 600 BLOCK OF EAST DEWEY, UH, TO BE ZONE FROM C TWO NA TO C TWO. 
          UM, I LIVE AT FIVE 10 EAST. 
          MY TELEPHONE NUMBER IS (210) 771-7138. 
          I LIVE AT FIVE 10 EAST DOOLEY. 
          I OPPOSE, UH, THIS CHANGE TO THE ZONING TO ALLOW ALCOHOL SALES, UH, TO ENCROACH INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, THAT THIS ZONING CHANGE HAS THE POTENTIAL, A HIGH POTENTIAL TO, TO, TO CHANGE THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BY ALLOWING ALCOHOL SALES, UH, NOT ON THE ST MARY'S STRIP, BUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IN ADDITION, WE HAVE SEEN, UM, SOME REAL PROBLEMS WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THAT SELL, SELL LIQUOR IN THE PROPERTY, TRAFFIC, UH, DRUNKENNESS, UH, GUN VIOLENCE, UM, UH, THOSE SORT OF THINGS. 
          AND SO I I STRONGLY OBJECT TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUESTED. 
          THAT'S THE LAST ONE, SIR. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, MR. DELGADO. 
          UH, DO YOU WANT TWO MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL? UH, YES, SIR. 
          ACTUALLY, UH, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE MET WITH, UH, CHIEF MCMANUS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ABOUT SEVERAL CONCERNS THAT HAPPENED, UH, THAT HAVE POPPED UP SINCE COVID BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE WAS A YEAR WHERE THERE WAS NOTHING HAPPENING ON THIS TRIP. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE A GOOD STANDING WITH T A B C. 
          UH, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES. 
          UM, WE ARE 100%, UH, IN COMPLIANCE AND WE 100% AGREE WITH, UH, WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR YEARS. 
          UM, HAD MEETINGS WITH THEM. 
          UH, WE'VE TALKED WITH THEM, EVEN STARTED A BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND A LOT OF PEOPLE'S CONCERNS. 
          THERE ARE, UH, SOME OF BIG CONCERNS ARE, ARE CONCERNS ALSO, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE RELATED TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. 
          UH, HAVE YOU EVER GONE TO A LONESOME ROSES AND THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT WE CATER TO, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT CROWD. 
          IT'S MORE PEARL STYLE CROWD. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OVER HERE. 
          UH, IT'S FAMILY FRIENDLY. 
          UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL FOOD VENDORS THAT WANT TO BE ON THERE ALSO, UM, THAT ARE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AGAIN, JESSICA, UH, KENDER DO, UH, IS ABOUT TO COME OUT ON THE FOOD NETWORK AND REPRESENT SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND ACTUALLY TOBIN HILL, UM, THEY JUST CAME OUT ON TEXAS MONTHLY. 
          SO HAS THE LONESOME ROADS CAME OUT ON TEXAS MONTHLY. 
          UM, WE ARE 100% WILLING AND ARE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO ALLEVIATE ANY PROBLEMS THAT COME UP WITH ANY, UH, ANY, ANYTHING THAT WOULD POP UP ON THE ST. 
          MARY'S STRIP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. DELGADO. 
          UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          UM, I, UH, IS THERE ANY KNOWLEDGE AS TO WHY THERE WAS AN NA ON THIS PROPERTY? UM, PREVIOUSLY IT HAPPENED BACK IN 1998. 
          IT WAS LIKE PART OF A LARGE AREA REZONING, BUT IT WAS ZONED B THREE AND A, IT HAD ACTUALLY, IT CONVERTED TO B THREE AND A AND THEN BECAME C TWO AND A, UH, WHENEVER THE CODE CONVERTED IN 2001. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IN, IN REVIEWING AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, DID THE STAFF LOOK AT SATURATION OF, OF THESE TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS ALONG THE ST. 
          MARY'S CORRIDOR? NO, IT'S A, I MEAN, IT'S A COMMERCIAL. 
          ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL USE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. 
          AND IN THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IS FOR RESTAURANT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COULD YOU TELL ME, UM, JUST REMIND ALL OF US, IS 
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THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN OPPOSITION OR IN SUPPORT? THE HILL IS OPPOSED. 
          TOBIN HILL IS OPPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THE, UM, THE NA ON THIS PROPERTY, WOULD THERE BE ANY OTHER CONTROLS, UH, TO LIMIT HOURS OF OPERATION OR, UM, ANYTHING OTHER THAN I GUESS JUST WHAT'S IN THE CODE? PROBABLY NOT RIGHT? CORRECT, MA'AM. 
          THERE, THERE ARE NO OTHER RESTRICTIONS. 
          IT WOULD BE A STRAIGHT REZONING TO A C TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND KIND OF WHAT THE ACTUAL INTENT IS HERE? SO THIS, WOULD THIS BE LIKE A FOOD TRUCK PARK? YEAH, LIKE A FOOD COURTYARD. 
          UM, THIS IS, I MEAN, WE SEE THIS HAPPENING IN OTHER SECTIONS OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          UH, ACTUALLY WE GOT, WE GOT CHOSEN BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO ACTUALLY OPEN, UH, A PLACE IN HESTER PARK WHERE WE DID ALMOST THE EXACT SAME THING, BUT AT THE TIME DURING HESTER WAS STILL DEVELOPING, SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO BRING ENOUGH TRUCKS THERE. 
          BUT IT WAS, UH, BASICALLY, UH, FOOD AND UH, THE TRUCK WAS THE KITCHEN ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, WHAT WOULD BE LOCATED INSIDE THE BUILDING THEN? IT WOULD BE LOUNGE, UH, SEATING AREA. 
          OKAY, SO, SO LIKE A BAR THAT JUST SERVES ALCOHOL? YES, BASICALLY, BUT INSIDE, NOT OUTSIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND STAFF, CAN YOU REMIND ME, IS THAT ALLOWED UNDER C TWO? A BAR IS NOT ALLOWED IN A C TWO? SO WHAT HE'S DESCRIBING, WHICH IS, UH, FOOD COURT VERSUS A, I GUESS, I GUESS I'M, I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH HOW TO CHARACTERIZE WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY THIS ESTABLISHMENT'S GOING TO BE AND HOW THAT COMPLIES WITH THE C TWO. 
          IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S A PROPOSED FOOD PARK OR RESTAURANT, NOT NECESSARILY FOOD PARK OR MAYBE INSTEAD OF FOOD TRUCK, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED IN A C TWO. 
          UM, THE ALCOHOL SALES IS INCIDENTAL AS LONG AS THEY MAINTAIN 25% FOOD SALES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          UM, STEPH, JUST REALLY QUICKLY CLARIFICATION, 25% FOOD SALES OR 75% FOOD SALES? 25% FOOD SALES. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK I HAD REVERSED THOSE PROPORTIONS. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, COMMISSIONER S SIPES WILL BE NEXT, UM, TO THE APPLICANT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU. 
          WHAT IS THAT BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET? THERE'S A ON UNDOING WHAT LIGHTING? ONY. 
          THE LIGHTING ALIGHTING? YEAH, THERE'S A LIGHTING COMPANY AND THEN THERE'S AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          AND ACTUALLY THE RESIDENTS AT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX ARE, UH, REGULARS AT THE OTHER SPOT THAT WE HAVE THE LONESOME ROSES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY'RE THEY'RE A RESIDENT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN, I'M SORRY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL? WE ARE NOT OPEN. 
          YOU'RE NOT OPEN. 
          SO WHAT ARE YOUR FOOD SALES NORMALLY? WHAT I MEAN, SO YOU'VE NEVER OPENED HERE? NO, NO. 
          YOU KEEP INCLUDING ANOTHER, A BUSINESS? I GUESS I'M GETTING CONFUSED. 
          OH YEAH. 
          I'M DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER RESTAURANT? WE HAVE A, A, A BAR, A LIVE MUSIC VENUE CALLED THE LONESOME ROSE THAT IS A BLOCK AWAY ON, UH, GRAYSON AND ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          LONESOME ROSE? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND YOU SERVE FOOD THERE OR JUST ALCOHOL? YES, WE SERVE FOOD BARBECUE IN THE BACK SLIDE. 
          SAB BARBECUE. 
          AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT'S 25% OR FIT MORE OR MORE IN FOOD, UH, FOR C THREE? SO I, I DON'T, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU SERVE MORE BAR, YOU KNOW, ALCOHOL OR FOOD? WE, WE SELL, WE SELL MORE 
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ALCOHOL HERE BECAUSE WE ARE TECHNICALLY A BAR HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OVER THERE. 
          WE PLANNING ON HAVING SEVERAL FOOD TRUCKS, NOT JUST THE ONE. 
          AND I GET A RUNDOWN OF SEVERAL, THE FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BEING, BEING THERE. 
          HAVE YOU EVER DONE A, UM, A BUSINESS THAT WHERE IT IS FOOD TRUCKS ARE OUTTA YOUR CONTROL? HAVE YOU EVER DONE A BUSINESS BEFORE WHERE IT'S JUST FOOD TRUCKS? YES. 
           AND OUR PARTNER JESSICA IS ACTUALLY, SHE'S A, AGAIN, REALLY WELL KNOWN, UH, CHEF HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND SHE HAS HER OWN PERSONAL FOOD TRUCK ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAID THAT, OKAY, WHEN YOU SAID THAT'S, YOU HAD A CO WHEN YOU SAID YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF MCMANUS AND THE NE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS. 
          WHAT WAS YOUR CONVERSATION THEN WITH THEM? WELL, WE HAD SUPPORT IN THE BEGINNING AND, UH, SOME INCIDENTS HAPPENED ON THE STRIP AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT'S WHY, UH, UH, THEY CHANGED THEIR, UH, THEIR MIND. 
          I, I, UM, GOT THE EMAIL TODAY ACTUALLY. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN I, I KNEW WE DIDN'T HAVE A PRESENTATION BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GONNA TALK. 
          UM, THE MAIN, THE, THAT MEETING WITH CHIEF BOOK WITH CHIEF MCMANUS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD MORE TO DO WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKING. 
          I GUESS THERE HAD BEEN A COUPLE OF INCIDENTS WHERE THERE WAS SOME GUNSHOTS, UM, UH, THAT ONE ISSUE OF THE PERSON THAT PASSED AWAY. 
          I MEAN, IT WAS FURTHER OFF FROM THE STRIP OFF OF, UM, EVERGREEN AND FURTHER I WOULD SAY TOWARDS THE, THE S AND PEDRO AREA. 
          SO . 
          SO, UH, I MEAN, WE DIDN'T, IT WAS A GOOD, IT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION. 
          WE SPOKE, WE ALL TALKED. 
          IT WAS REALLY GOOD. 
          SO WHEN YOU HAVE FOOD TRUCKS ON YOUR, ON THE PARKING LOT PROPERTY, DO, DO YOU REQUIRE NO, NO. 
          TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK SERVICE. 
          YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE A, UM, YOU CAN'T BE A FELON, YOU CAN'T HIRE A FELON, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, BUT DO YOU REQUIRE THAT THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF INSURANCE LIABILITY? WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE FOOD TRUCK VENDORS? YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO, WE WOULD, WE, EACH TRUCK WOULD HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE. 
          THE PROPERTY HAS TO HAVE INSURANCE, UH, THE BUSINESS IN GENERAL HAS TO HAVE INSURANCE, BASICALLY COVERS EVERYTHING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR OTHER PLACE WHERE YOU DO THIS? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, ARE THESE FOOD TRUCKS, THEY'RE JUST FOOD TRUCKS? THEY DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL EITHER. 
          SO THE ALCOHOL IS JUST INSIDE THE BUILDING? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND, OKAY. 
          AND WHAT TYPICALLY DO YOU STAY ON AT LONESOME ROWS? WHEN DO YOU T TYPICALLY STAY OPEN TILL UNTIL TWO. 
          AND THIS IS DO BUT WE DON'T. 
          I KNOW. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UH, SO WOULD THIS BE OPEN TILL TWO? YES. 
          I HAD SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION 'CAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY DID HAVE WAS FOOD TRUCKS ON THE ACTUAL STREET. 
          AND, UH, SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE DO LEAVE BARS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STRIP IS THEY'LL FLOCK TO THOSE FOOD TRUCKS AND STAY OPEN LATER. 
          UH, AND MADE IT A POINT TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WOULD NOT BE DOING THAT WHEN THE LOCATION CLOSES, IT CLOSES, THERE WILL BE NO FOOD BEING SERVED AFTER HOURS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL, ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES, YOU WERE NEXT. 
          YOU WERE IN LINE? YES. 
          UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND THEN I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, IT APPEARS THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY ONSITE PARKING, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THERE WILL BE. 
          UH, I'M SORRY. 
          THERE'S, I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PRESENTATION. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, WE DIDN'T EXPECT TO SPEAK AND EVEN AFTER WE SPOKE TO, UH, THE CASEWORKER, UM, HE JUST SAID TO HAVE MY NUMBER JUST IN CASE I DID HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, BUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT DEWEY, ACTUALLY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT DEWEY IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S A, THERE'S A GOOD, UH, SECTION OF BACKYARD AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING WOULD BE AT. 
          SO YOU STILL HAVE PART OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PART OF THE PARKING LOT, BUT THE OTHER PART WOULD BE TAKEN UP BY THE FOOD TRUCKS, IS THAT YES. 
          WHICH ISN'T, ISN'T PARKING. 
          IT'S TECHNICALLY THE BACKYARD OF THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS THE QUESTION, THE, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M, UH, YOU'D PROBABLY, IF ANYTHING MAYBE LOSE TWO TO THREE PARKING SPACES AT THE MOST. 
          BUT, UH, IF YOU WERE TO SEE THE BUILDING, YOU WOULD SEE EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE IN THAT BACKYARD AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH IS HEADED, 
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WHICH IS BASICALLY, UH, THE BACK OF A BURGER BOY, WHICH THEY'RE YES. 
          EACH OTHER. 
          YEP. 
          EATEN THERE MANY TIMES. 
          UM, UH, AND I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION FOR STAFF IS JUST A CLARIFICATION. 
          I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE OF, DID, DID THE, UH, PERCENTAGE OF ALCOHOL SALES CHANGE UNDER COVID? IT DIDN'T, IT USED TO BE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE AND THEN IT WAS REDUCED TO 25%. 
          IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? UH, OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE GOVERNOR'S, UM, UH, PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS THAT SELL ALCOHOL TO REMAIN OPEN DURING COVID. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT HAS TO, WITH THE ABC PERCENTAGES, THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE DIFFERENT FROM HOW A BAR TAVR IS DEFINED IN OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE DEFINES THE BAR THE MOMENT THAT THEY, UM, THEIR, THE PERCENTAGE OF OF FOOD DECREASES TO 24%, UM, WHICH MEANS NOW 76% OF THEIRS OF THE SALES COMES FROM ALCOHOL, WHICH THEN CLASSIFIES THEM AS A BAR. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO TWO DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES. 
          OKAY. 
           THE 25% FOOD. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT ACTUALLY CLEARS SOME THINGS UP. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GO BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          YEAH, AND, AND I HAD THAT, HAD THAT SAME QUESTION, UM, ON THE RIVER ROAD REZONING WITH RESPECT TO BARS VERSUS, UM, IN THE CITY VERSUS BARS IN THE STATE. 
          SO, UM, I I, I ONLY KNEW THAT COMMISSIONER SIPES BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT FROM THAT SPECIFIC CASE BECAUSE OF BOMBAY BICYCLE CLUB, WHICH I COULDN'T BELIEVE WAS A RESTAURANT. 
          UM, HAVING BEEN THERE MANY, MANY TIMES. 
          UM, QUESTION TO STAFF, STAFF, IS THIS, IS THIS A MOBILE FOOD COURT? WOULD THAT, WOULD THIS USE BE CONSIDERED A MOBILE? I'M STILL KIND OF HUNG UP ON THAT. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE HONESTLY, I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST WE HEARD OF A FOOD TRUCK WHEN HE SAID IT. 
          WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE FOOD WAS GOING TO BE ISOLATED TO THE BUILDING ON SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO TO THE APPLICANT THEN, UM, I, WELL, I MEAN I MAYBE NOT TO THE APPLICANT STAFF. 
          I, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE DESCRIBING, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT TO BE A MOBILE FOOD COURT? NO, A FOOD COURT IS MORE THAN THREE, UH, A THREE OR MORE FOOD TRUCKS. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, YEAH, AND WE HAVE FOUR. 
          SO THERE IS THE CLARIFICATION RIGHT THERE. 
          SO THEN IT WOULD BE A MOBILE FOOD COURT UNDER THE USE REQUIREMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW, MA'AM. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, GO AHEAD AND, AND ASK AND WE'RE PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW. 
          NO, THAT, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          SO WE'LL JUST WAIT. 
          OH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, ACTUALLY, DO YOU MIND IF I SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY THIS CAN GO THE LAST QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO WE'RE NOT HAVING DEAD AIR, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT THE ANSWERS. 
          IF I CAN, I CAN HELP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO A MOBILE FOOD COURT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN C TWO. 
          HOWEVER, THERE IS A DIS A MINIMUM DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM RESIDENTIAL USES OF 200 FEET. 
          IF THEY'RE WITHIN 200 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL USE, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT VARIANCE IN ORDER TO BE WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          THAT, THAT IS ABOUT THE MOBILE FOOD COURT. 
          IF THE MOBILE FOOD COURT IS GOING TO HAVE ALCOHOL SALES, UH, THE ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT THE ALCOHOL SALES COMES FROM, UH, THE BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING AND THAT THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE ONLY SELLING FOOD SINCE THEY ARE ISOLATED USES. 
          IT'S NO LONGER CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT, IT'S NOW CONSIDERED A BAR, WHICH NOW HE NEEDS MORE INTENSE ZONING IF HE IS GONNA SELL ALCOHOL OUT OF THAT BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING AND NOT FOOD. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING AT. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          SO THEN IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE THEN, THEN WHAT HE'S PROPOSING CANNOT HAPPEN IN THE C TWO. 
          THIS WOULD NEED TO BE UP ZONED TO A C THREE AND, AND HAVE THE NA REMOVED. 
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UM, IT COULD, HE WOULD NEED TO REQUEST A C2 SS SO HE COULD KEEP THE BASE OF C2 WITH AN SS FOR THE BAR. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT HE'S NOT SELLING 25% FROM THAT BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING WHERE HE'S SELLING THE ALCOHOL FROM. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          I, I THINK I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          ONE LAST CALL. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? UH, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE TO YOU? UM, WELL I, I HAD COME INTO TO THIS KIND OF PREPARED TO, UM, DISCUSS OTHER THINGS, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE, THAT THE PRESENTATION AND AND STAFF'S ANSWERS, UM, HAVE MADE THIS EVEN MORE CLEAR TO ME THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS A, A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER 20. 
          UM, SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT I DID HAVE JUST WITH RESPECT TO REMOVAL OF D N A, UM, IS JUST THE, THE FACT THAT THIS AREA IS, HAS BECOME SATURATED WITH BARS. 
          UM, WHILE I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST BAR OPERATORS AND, AND IN FACT FREQUENT SOME OF THE BARS ON ST. 
          MARY'S, UM, I HAVE RECEIVED SO MANY REPORTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING LINKS TO VIDEOS OF, OF, UM, UH, SECURITY CAMERAS THAT HAVE INCLUDED EVERYTHING FROM PEOPLE RELIEVING THEMSELVES ON IN A FRONT YARD TO, UM, TRAFFIC JAMS AT 2:00 AM PEOPLE WHO ARE CLEARLY DRUNK AND, YOU KNOW, DESTRUCTIVE AND DISORDERLY AND INCREDIBLY LOUD. 
          UM, I DON'T LIVE THAT FAR FROM HERE, BUT PROBABLY ABOUT HALF A MILE, THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE I CAN HEAR MUSIC FROM THE ESTABLISHMENTS ON ST. 
          MARY'S UNTIL 2:00 AM MONDAY MORNINGS. 
          UM, SO THIS AREA, I BELIEVE REALLY NEEDS TO HAVE SOME BETTER PATROL AND, AND I, AND I, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY FELT, FEEL BAD FOR, FOR NEW OWNERS COMING IN THIS AREA, NEW BUSINESS OPERATORS COMING INTO THIS AREA BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THERE IS JUST, UM, A, A LACK OF CONTROL, UM, ON THE CITY'S PART IN, IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE SAFE IN THIS AREA. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, AS ZONING COMMISSIONERS. 
          THE STATE LAW REQUIRES ZONING REGULATIONS TO BE DESIGNED TO SECURE, UM, SAFETY FROM FIRE, PANIC AND OTHER DANGERS, AND TO PROMOTE THE HEALTH AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO I THINK THAT IN THIS CASE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND PUBLIC POLICY AS A, AS VERY IMPORTANT TO HELPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THIS AREA AND HELPING PROTECT THE RESIDENTS AND THE FOLKS HERE WHO ARE LIVING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM, SINGLE FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY, OTHER PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY, THEY DON'T MIND IT RIGHT NOW, BUT SOMEONE ELSE COULD MOVE IN THERE, THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT MOVE IN THERE THAT HAVE THAT, THAT DON'T APPRECIATE HAVING, YOU KNOW, MUSIC UNTIL 2:00 AM. 
          SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK THIS USE CLEARLY FITS IN WITH THE TWO, WITH THE C TWO, UM, I AM DEFINITELY NOT IN SUPPORT OF REMOVING THE NA FROM, FROM THIS, UH, PROPERTY, UM, WITHOUT SOME CHANGES TO THE CITY'S PROCESSES AND AND SECURITY IN THIS AREA. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, THAT IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          YES. 
          CHAIR, IF I MAY, SO BEFORE A MOTION IS EVEN CONSIDERED, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE IS A REQUEST THAT IT DOES NOT ALIGN, UH, REQUEST THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING DOES NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY PROPOSING. 
          IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT CAN CLARIFY WHAT HE IS REQUESTING, IF, IF IN FACT HE IS REQUESTING A MOBILE FOOD COURT, UH, WITH, UH, ALCOHOL SALES THAT'S ISOLATED TO THE BRICK AND MORTAR BUILDING, THEN THIS CASE HAS TO BE RESCHEDULED FOR THE APPROPRIATE ZONING IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED BY ZONING COMMISSION. 
          ALRIGHT, SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION TO MR. DELGADO. 
          YOU YES, I GO AHEAD SIR. 
          NO, I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TODAY ABOUT, UM, SIR, I'M SORRY, WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING QUITE LONG. 
          IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING. 
          OH YEAH, WHAT IS YOUR INTENDED USE? THEY BASICALLY ASKED ME IF WE COULD MEET THEM IN TWO TO FOUR WEEKS TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, THE SUBJECT AGAIN AND CLARIFY EVEN MORE SO THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY. 
          MR. DELGADO. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S SORT OF, AS A LAWYER WHAT I WOULD CALL A JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE. 
          THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN CONSIDER THIS PERIOD. 
          [04:30:01]
UH, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A CONTINUANCE. 
          LET ME TRY TO REPEAT BACK TO YOU WHAT I THINK I HEARD. 
          I HEARD FOUR FOOD TRUCKS WITH ALCOHOL BEING SERVED IN THE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IN LIGHT OF THAT STAFF, UH, WE CANNOT CONSIDER THIS. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TELLING ME? THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE THE REQUEST NEEDS TO CHANGE TO A C TWO SS, WHICH IS NOT WITHIN THE RANGE OF YOUR PURVIEW TODAY. 
          IT HAS TO BE READVERTISED OR REED FOR THE MORE INTENSE USE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. DELGADO, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN WHICH CASE, UH, I GUESS I WOULD CALL ITEM NUMBER 20, MOOT AT THIS POINT TO BE RENO AND RECONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE STAFF, 
          [21. 21-3332 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700071 (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD” Limited Intensity Infill Development Zone Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for three (3) units on 0.20 acres out of NCB 2590, save and except the east 7 feet of Lot 75, located at 311 Dowdy Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department) ]
IF WE COULD PLEASE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 21. 
          ITEM NUMBER 21 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO I D Z ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT THREE 11 DOWDY STREET. 
          37 NOTICES WERE MAILED. 
          ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR AND ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          THE CURRENT R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED I D Z ONE IS ALSO APPROPRIATE AS IT ALLOWS THIS CORNER LOT TO BE DEVELOPED UTILIZING ITS FULL STREET FRONTAGE AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING IN A DESIGNATED REGIONAL CENTER. 
          AND IN PROXIMITY TO FREQUENT RAPID TRANSIT. 
          THE REZONING OF THIS LARGE LOT WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE SPLIT INTO THREE SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPICAL LOT WITH AN INTENSITY OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, UH, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT. 
          YES, THANKS COMMISSIONER FOR HEARING ME. 
          THIS IS SALOR FLORES WITH BEN ENGINEERING, RESIDING AT 1 9 2 1 5 DEER ELK CREST IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 9 2 5 8. 
          SO I HAVE A CLIENT THAT IS LOOKING AT, UH, SUBDIVIDING THE SUBJECT TRACK INTO THREE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOMES. 
          UH, CURRENTLY IT'S ONE TRACK RIGHT NOW AND HE'D LIKE TO SPLIT UP INTO THREE. 
          WE DID ON APRIL 15TH HOST A NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATION MEETING AT THE SITE. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAD FIVE OF THE RESIDENTS SHOW UP. 
          ALL IN FAVOR. 
          WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO A LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MS. SUSAN, UH, POWERS. 
          AND, UH, THEY WERE ALSO IN FAVOR. 
          THE ONLY ONE BASIC, UH, CONDITION WAS THE FACT THAT WE'D OPT TO, UH, BUILD THESE HOMES WITH A CARPORT VERSUS A GARAGE TO ALLOW FOR, UH, UP TO PO POSSIBLY TWO CARS TO BE STORED ON SITE. 
          AND USING A CARPORT VERSUS A GARAGE WILL BASICALLY, UH, HOPEFULLY ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO PARK UNDERNEATH THEIR HOMES IN THE, IN THE CARPORT VERSUS USING A GARAGE AS A STORAGE, UH, FACILITY AND NOT BE ABLE TO PARK IN AS, AS A LOT OF GARAGES ARE USED FOR THAT. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK, UM, UH, WE'D LIKE TO PUT A REALLY PRETTY, UH, REALLY NICE ATTRACTIVE DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          JUST THREE HOMES AND MOST OF EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE TALKED TO IS IN FAVOR. 
          WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM ANYBODY. 
          NO ONE'S REACHED OUT TO US, UH, IN OPPOSITION, BUT THAT'S, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. FLORES. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCCINCT. 
          UM, STAFF, COULD WE GET UP THE SITE PLAN? I'M SORRY? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? STAFF? NO SIR. 
          NO COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO IT IS TO ME STAFF IF WE CAN GET UP THE SITE PLAN ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          COMING RIGHT UP, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTION FOR STAFF WHILE WE WAIT FOR THAT SITE PLAN, WHICH IS, UH, I THINK YOU SAID IN THE PRESENTATION OF THIS, THAT THIS WAS A CORNER LOT? NO, IT'S, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE STREET. 
          SORRY, MR. THANK YOU. 
          I'M ASKING, I'M ASKING STAFF, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THEIR POSITION, BUT I, I APPRECIATE YOU RESPONDING OR MAYBE AT HOUR FOUR AND A HALF I'M HEARING THINGS. 
          NO, IT'S, IT'S AN INTERIOR LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO, UM, MR. FLORES, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD TIME NOW FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE SITE PLAN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OF THIS HEARING. 
          UM, BUT I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION, UH, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF LONE STAR, IS WHERE IS THE PARKING ON THIS SITE PLAN? IS THAT INDICATED ON THE SITE PLAN? UH, THE, THE SCHEMATIC SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS DONE 
          [04:35:01]
BY THE ARCHITECT AND IT SHOWS, UM, THREE TRACKS FRONTING DOWDY STREET. 
          THERE IS A LAR A DARKER LINE, WHICH IS INCORRECT. 
          THAT'S NOT THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE IS MORE OF A, A LIGHTER LINE THAT, THAT, THAT'S THERE DOWDY. 
          AND SO THE HOMES WILL BASICALLY HAVE A LONG DRIVEWAY AND THE DRIVEWAY WILL HAVE, UH, EXPOSURE FOR ONE VEHICLE OUTSIDE THE HOME AND THEN ONE UNDERNEATH THROUGH A CARPORT. 
          SO EACH UNIT, EACH HOME WILL HAVE TWO OFF STREET PARKING STALLS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CARPORT, IS THAT THE SORT OF LIGHTER OR THE NOT SHADED PORTION? IT'LL BE UNDER THE, IT'LL BE UNDER THE SECOND STORY. 
          OKAY, BUT IS THAT REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN BY THE, BY THE WHITE BLOCK WITH THE COUPLE OF LINES? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY ENCROACHES. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY A AREA ON FURTHER UNDERNEATH THOSE. 
          OH, OH, UH OH. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW I SEE IT. 
          IT'S TO THE LEFT OF THE BOTTOM MOST ONE OR, OR TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BOTTOM MOST ONE TO THE TOP OF THE MIDDLE AND TO THE BOTTOM OF THE THIRD. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S THE PARKING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THERE'LL BE, LIKE I SAID, THERE'LL BE A CAR UNDERNEATH THE HOME LIVING AREA OF THE SECOND FLOOR AND THEN ANOTHER, UH, AREA THAT'LL BE FOR ANOTHER VEHICLE BEFORE IT GETS, BEFORE YOU HIT THE STREET. 
          SO TWO CARS DEFINITELY WILL BE ABLE TO FIT IN THERE ON EACH LOT, ON EACH. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. FLORES. 
          UH, THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AND THEY ADDRESSED MY HUGE CONCERNS. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS? I AM NOT SEEING ANY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO IT'S BACK TO ME. 
          UM, IN LIGHT OF THE SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS ONE OPPOSITION, BUT SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, I HAD GREAT CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING. 
          UH, IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE STREET PARKING HERE, I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT, BUT IN LIGHT OF THE REPRESENTATIONS AND THE DRAWINGS AND, BUT I JUST DIDN'T SEE THE CARPORT IN THE SITE PLAN. 
          I'M GOING TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 21. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND GIBBONS. 
          SENATOR JONES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I HEARD, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS FIRST. 
          SO, UH, ITEM NUMBER 21. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY ME AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION?  COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, JUST REAL QUICK, I THINK THAT THIS IS SUCH A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY I I Z D I I, WHATEVER IS OUT THERE. 
          AND, UM, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THESE. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THE CONCERNS OUT THERE HAVE COME UP, BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW TO USE THIS IN A THEY COULD TRACK. 
          I'M GLAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS FOR IT. 
          LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT, UH, FOR ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE? UH, STAFF ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEM NUMBER 21. 
          DR. 
          JEN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMIT? UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          MR. GIBBONS? YES. 
          PRO GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, STAFF, I BELIEVE OUR NEXT ITEM 
          [22. 21-3307 Consideration and approval of the April 20, 2021 Zoning Commission meeting minutes. ]
IS ITEM NUMBER 22, WHICH IS THE CONSIDERATION IS A CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 20TH, 2021 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY CORRECTION OR AMENDMENT REQUIRED FOR THESE MINUTES? I, I AM NOT SEEING ANYONE INDICATE THAT THEY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS OR AMENDMENTS. 
          IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? COMMISSIONER SYKES? MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IS THERE A SECOND? GREATHOUSE? OKAY. 
          THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED BY COMMISSIONER SIPES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          UH, ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JEN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAM? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE. 
          HI. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          [04:40:01]
PRO TEMP GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE-CHAIR SITE? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. 
          MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE MINUTES PASSES. 
          EIGHT TO ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, ANY DIRECTOR'S REPORT OR ANY OTHER ITEM? STAFF? I, NO, SIR, NOTHING TO REPORT. 
          WE'LL PREPARE THAT INFORMATION ON THE I D Z FOR Y'ALL FOR A WORKSHOP IN JUNE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE AND CONCENTRATION, WHICH WAS STARTING TO EBB FOR ME. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME. 
          SEND MY RESTAURANT BILL TO THE STAFF. 
          WHERE DO I SEND THAT NOW? , WHERE DO I IT HAS TO BE HEALTHY PIZZA BILL . 
          SO TIME IS 5 42. 
          UH, WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          AND MAY THE FOURTH BE WITH YOU. 
          Y'ALL TAKE CARE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          YOU, BYE. 
          THANKS EVERYONE. 
          BYE.
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