* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] SO JUST WAITING TO GO LIVE. ALL RIGHT, JEFF, WE'RE LIVE. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 5TH, 2021. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? [Roll Call] HERNANDEZ HERE. HERE. FISH. HERE. GIBBS VELASQUEZ. HERE. AREOLA. ZOOMER. ON HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. RUBE BOWMAN FETZER. HERE. UNE. HEY HERE. UM, WE HAVE A QUORUM. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. THANK YOU. UH, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT? [Chairman’s Statement] THE, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE-CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVE STREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. THE MEETING IS BEING, BEING RECORDED IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL CASES ON THE AGENDA, AS WELL AS TO MINIMIZE THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING, APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. THANK YOU. UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO, UM, THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM OF BUSINESS, [1. Briefing on Proposed River Road Design Guidelines; no action to be taken.] AND THAT IS A BRIEFING ON THE PROPOSED RFRA ROAD DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, TO DO SO, WE HAVE, UM, ON THE LINE, LUCY WILSON FROM THE RIVER RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, ALSO IN YOUR PACK PACKETS, THERE IS, UM, BACKUP MATERIAL FOR THIS, UH, BRIEFING ITEM. UM, LUCY, ARE YOU THERE? YES. ALRIGHT, GO RIGHT AHEAD. CHAIRMAN FETZER AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS LUCY WILSON, ONE 30 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. I'M THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US A FEW MINUTES THIS AFTERNOON TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN PROJECT AND THE CONSULTANT WHO WILL BE LEADING THE PROCESS. BUT FIRST, I MUST EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO THE INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS AND O H P STAFF FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND SUGGESTIONS AS WE BEGAN THIS EFFORT IN 2019. IN THE HANDOUT PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU WILL NOTE THAT RFPS WERE SENT TO 18 FIRMS IN ORDER TO FUND THE PROJECT. WE HAVE RECEIVED NATIONAL, REGIONAL, AND LOCAL SUPPORT IN THE FORM OF GRANTS, TOTALING $23,000 FROM THE R F P SUBMITTED, H H M AND ASSOCIATES WAS SELECTED AS THE CONSULTANT FOR THIS PROCESS. I'M PLEASED TO INTRODUCE EMILY PAYNE, WHO IS THE LEAD CONSULTANT FOR THE PROJECT. HELLO, MY NAME IS EMILY PAYNE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LET US BRIEF [00:05:01] YOU TODAY. I JUST WANT TO, UM, BASICALLY GO OVER THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND THEN ANSWER ANY PRELIMINARY QUESTIONS. NEXT SLIDE. GO AHEAD, EMILY. OKAY. SO, UM, OUR FIRM, H H M AND ASSOCIATES IS BASED IN AUSTIN, TEXAS. WE WERE FOUNDED IN 1983, AND WE, UM, ARE DEVOTED EXCLUSIVELY TO, UM, DOCUMENTATION, INTERPRETATION, AND MANAGEMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES. UM, NEXT SLIDE. SO, OKAY. SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT WHERE WE FIT INTO YOUR OVERALL, UM, DESIGN MANAGEMENT SCHEME IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, SO, AS YOU KNOW, UM, THE RIVER ROAD BECAME A HISTORIC DISTRICT IN 2010. IN 2012, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ADOPTED THE CITYWIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UM, AND H H M AND ASSOCIATES WAS A PARTNER WITH CLARION AND ASSOCIATES THE COMPLETION OF THOSE GUIDELINES. SO NEXT SLIDE SHOULD HAVE A MAP OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AS YOU KNOW, RIVER ROAD, UM, IS A POCKET, A LITTLE POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS VERY SPECIAL CHARACTER, UM, THAT HAS, UH, UNIQUE FEATURES SEPARATE FROM THE, THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM THE CITYWIDE DESIGN STANDARDS. NEXT SLIDE. AND AS THE 2012 CITYWIDE DESIGN STANDARDS SPECIFY, UM, THE STORAGE DISTRICTS MAY SUPPLEMENT THE CITYWIDE STANDARDS WITH THEIR OWN DESIGN STANDARDS. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED. DISTRICT SPECIFIC GUIDELINES WILL NOT CONFLICT WITH THE CITYWIDE GUIDELINES, WHETHER THEY WILL ADDRESS MORE SPECIFIC ITEMS, JUST COLOR PALETTE, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, AND LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS. UM, NEXT SLIDE WAS PHOTOS, AND I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF THE CHARACTER OF RIVER ROSE. UM, BUT IT SOME SPECIFIC THINGS, UM, ABOUT RIVER ROSE. THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, ARE ITS RANGE OF STYLES FROM BUNGALOWS TO REVIVAL TO MINIMAL TRADITIONAL HOUSES AND OTHER ECLECTIC STYLES. AND THEN ALSO, UM, THE SECLUDED NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A NARROW, WINDY, APPRECIATED STREETS AND LANDSCAPE COMMON AREA. SO THOSE ARE SOME KIND OF UNIQUE FEATURES THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UM, REGULATING IN MORE DETAIL THAN THIS WOULD BE LIKE. UM, AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WITH THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE SEE FOR RIVER ROAD ARE PROTECTING THEIR, UM, SECLUDED FIELDS, THE INTEGRATION BETWEEN HOUSES AND LANDSCAPES, THAT KIND OF LIMITED FEATURES OF THE CURBING STREETS OFFER SO THAT NO BUILDING REALLY JUMPS OUT FROM THE LANDSCAPE, THE ECLECTIC VARIETY OF THE STYLES AND THE SHORT STREETS. AMANDA, MOVING ON TO THE SITE OF THE PROJECT TIMELINE. UM, WE'RE JUST NOW KICKING OFF THE PROJECT. SO FROM MAY THROUGH JULY OF 2021, WE'LL BE CONDUCTING FIELD WORK AND NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. UM, WE'LL MOVE INTO THE FIRST DRAFT IN JULY AND SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN, UM, THERE'LL BE REVIEW OF THE DRAFT FOR MEETINGS IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. WE'LL COMPLETE REVISIONS IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. UM, AND THEN, UH, A SECOND DRAFT IN DECEMBER, AND THEN FROM DECEMBER 21 TO JANUARY, 2022, REVIEW AND MORE MEETINGS DRAFT. UM, AND SO THE FINAL WILL BE IN MARCH OF 2022, AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR YOUR BOARD, UM, THE CITY, UM, COUNCIL TO ADOPT IN MARCH OF 2022. OKAY. AND THEN FINALLY, UM, LAST SLIDE IS CONTACT INFORMATION. SO THE LEAD CONTACT FOR THE PROJECT WILL BE PAT, PATRICIA, PT, WHO IS CHAIR OF THE RIVER ROAD, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S AD HOC HISTORIC DESIGN, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN COMMITTEE. SO PATRICIA WILL SERVE AS THE PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT WITH THE CITY. AND THEN I WILL BE THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR H H M AND ASSOCIATES. I'M MOLLY PAYNE, AND, UM, OUR EMAIL ADDRESSES ARE UP THERE. FEEL FREE TO CONTACT US AT ANY POINT IN THE PROJECT WITH ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, UM, IF THEY COME UP NOW. UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THANK YOU. UH, MS. PAYNE APPRECIATE THE, THE PRESENTATION. UM, I [00:10:01] THINK ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES WITH, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE RIVER ROAD IS ITS DIVERSITY. UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, UH, INITIALLY ABOUT HOW TO KIND OF BEGIN TO ILLUSTRATE THE, UH, MAYBE PERHAPS THROUGH BAD EXAMPLES OF WHAT IS WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THERE IN, UH, RIVER ROAD? I THINK THE, UH, THE CITY'S, UH, GUIDELINES FOR PREVIOUS, UH, DISTRICTS KIND OF HAVE A, A, A GOOD MAP TO GO BY WHERE THEY, THEY SHOW BOTH GOOD AND, UH, UH, BAD EXAMPLES OF, OF WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO. ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING AS WELL, LIKE THAT THAT'S VERY ILLUSTRATED? YES, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY ILLUSTRATED, BUT WE ARE, UM, KIND OF AT THE OUTSET OF THAT PROJECT. UM, ACTUALLY TOMORROW WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS IS TO GO OVER A VARIETY OF, UM, LAYOUT FORMATS FOR THEM TO CHOOSE FROM. BUT THEY ARE ALL VERY ILLUSTRATED. UM, AND I, I DO THINK THAT THE GOAL WILL BE, UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE, WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE WHAT THEY WANT, UM, BUT THEN TO TRY TO PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES THAT ARE FLEXIBLE BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SO DIVERSE, UM, AND, UH, SOME GOOD IDEAS TO, UM, IN SUCH A DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S, WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOO, UM, PROHIBITIVE BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF SOLUTIONS THAT WILL FIT IN. SO IT'LL BE, UM, TRYING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY WANT, UM, AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO ILLUSTRATE IT. BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE'RE JUST KICKING OFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I CAN ASK A QUESTION THAT, UM, IS NOT A TYPICAL QUESTION, BUT I THINK IT'S BECOMING A MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WHAT, WHAT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO ARCHITECTURE AND INCLUSION, UH, CONSIDERING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, UM, I GUESS THE COMMON HISTORY OF MOST HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN SAN ANTONIO HAVING, HAVING MOST LIKELY BEEN, UH, SEGREGATED AREAS OR AREAS THAT, THAT DEVELOPED ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, RACIAL SEGREGATION. WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF, UH, OR WHAT PLANS DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, CLAUSE OR, OR, OR I, I GUESS, WIGGLE ROOM FOR, UM, AN ASPECT OF, UH, RACIAL AND ECONOMIC INCLUSION IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SHOULD THEY HAVE SURVIVED TO SUCH A DATE? MOST DEFINITELY. IF, IF NOTHING ELSE ECONOMICALLY HAVE, HAVE, UH, UH, KIND OF PERPETUATED EXCLUSION ECONOMICALLY SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, UM, AND, UH, HISTORICALLY SEGREGATED OR, YOU KNOW, VERY ECONOMICALLY DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE HERE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE IN THE CITYWIDE GUIDELINES AS MUCH AS HAVING A COMBINATION OF REGULATORY STANDARDS OR GUIDELINES THAT NEED TO, UM, WORK WITH THE CODE AND WORKING WITHIN THE STANDARDS, BUT THEN ALSO REALLY HAVING A LOT OF RESOURCES, INCLUDING THE ARCHITECTURAL RESOURCES, UM, RESOURCES FOR, UM, FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE. AND THEN GOING KIND OF MORE INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY ASPECT OF ALTERATIONS, UM, AND WHAT, WHAT SOME OPTIONS ARE. UM, NOT, NOT ONLY HOW TO DEAL WITH IT, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THE AFFORDABILITY. UM, THERE ALSO WILL BE, WE ALSO CAN WORK, UM, IN TERMS OF TRANSLATION SERVICES WITH OUR MEETINGS AND OUR OUTREACH. UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY AWARE OF THAT. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF AT THIS POINT. UM, ONE, WE DON'T WANT TO WRITE ANY GUIDELINES THAT WILL NOT BE AFFORDABLE, AND TWO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REACH OUT TO EVERYONE AND GET THEIR INPUTS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS SO THAT WE RESPOND TO THEM. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, UM, HOLD IMPORTANT. SO WE REALLY WANNA LISTEN, UM, TO A DIVERSE AUDIENCE AND GET THAT IN. UM, I'M SURE MORE THINGS WILL COME UP AS WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE, UM, AND WE'LL RESPECT THOSE. BUT THOSE ARE THE INITIAL THINGS THAT I, I KNOW WE NEED TO DO, LISTEN AND FOCUS ON. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UM, LUCY WILSON, IF YOU'RE STILL THERE, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SOME CLOSING COMMENTS. I, I HAVE [00:15:01] A ONE LAST QUESTION, CORY, IF I MAY. OH, SURE. I, UM, WILL YOU BE EXPLORING DIVERSE HOUSING OPTIONS, UH, MEANING, UM, DENSITY? YES. I THINK THAT IS IN ALL OF OUR RECENT DESIGN STANDARDS PROJECTS, THAT REALLY IS A FOCUS. UM, WE WILL, AGAIN, IT'S TWO STUDENTS TO KNOW WHERE WE LAND, BUT EXPLORING OPTIONS FOR FITTING, AUXILIARY DWELLING UNIT, UM, DIFFERENT MULTI-FAMILY OPTIONS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE MAINTAINING IT SENSE OF PLAY WILL BE A FOCUS. UM, AGAIN, I DON'T, WE WILL BE LISTENING TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS, BUT THAT WILL BE A MAIN POINT OF CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. YES, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. THANK YOU MS. WILSON AND MS. PAYNE. AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO HOW THIS DEVELOPS AND, UM, WHAT COMES OF THIS WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THEN THE PRESENTATIONS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THANK YOU. OKAY, MS. WILSON, WELL, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A LONG AFTERNOON AHEAD, BUT ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR VISION OF THE FUTURE. AND WE ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS VERY MUCH, AND THEY WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROJECT. WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND ENERGY YOU GIVE TO SECURING OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PRESENTATION, EXPECT TO SEE YOU IN 2022 SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NOW [CONSENT AGENDA] WE'LL PUT THE, UM, ITEMS, UM, ON THE AGENDA, ON THE SCREEN. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, ITEMS TWO THROUGH 16 ARE OUR CONSENT AGENDA. UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS A RECUSAL FOR ITEM 12, AND SO HE HAS OPTED, UM, NOT TO, NOT TO VOTE ON THE FULL CONSENT AGENDA. UM, SO WHEN WE GET THERE, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WE'LL RECUSE. UM, FIRST I WILL READ, UM, ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR THESE ITEMS. UM, AND JUST A REMINDER THAT YOU DO HAVE LETTERS FOR A FEW OF THEM IN YOUR, UM, REVIEW FOLDERS. SO FIRST WE HAVE ITEM TWO, TEN THREE FOUR DREAMLAND. THIS CONCERN PATTY ZIONS AT THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF. RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION, UM, 1 0 3 1 4 DREAMLAND DRIVE MEETS CRITERIA 3, 4, 5, AND 13 AS DETERMINED BY STAFF, WE ALSO FIND THAT THE HOME IS ONE OF SEVERAL ALONG DREAMLAND BUILT BY THE PROMINENT SPENCER SAUER LUMBER COMPANY, AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. SHOULD A HISTORIC DISTRICT BE FORMED IN THE FUTURE, WE SUPPORT ITS DESIGNATION. ITEM 3 1 35, LEO UPHOLD, PATTY , THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF. RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION ONE 30. UH, THIS IS A REPEAT OF DREAMLAND 1 35, LEO UPHOLD. UM, SO MAKING CORRECTION HERE, 1 35. LEO UPHOLD MEETS CRITERIA OF FIVE, EIGHT AND 13 AS DETERMINED BY STAFF, THIS QUEEN AND HOME RETAINS MANY ORIGINAL AND CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. THIS HOME STANDS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO SEVERAL INDIVIDUAL LANDMARKS, INCLUDING THE ADJACENT HOME AT 1 31 LEOPOLD. IT WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE SHOULD IT BECOME PART OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE FUTURE, AND WE SUPPORT ITS DESIGNATION. UM, ITEM 5 2 33 NORTH MESQUITE. UM, THIS COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE SUPPORT STAFF AND ENCOURAGE THE, THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER A MORE TRADITIONAL WINDOW PANE MATERIAL, AND ADDITIONAL PARKING. NEXT, WE HAVE LEAVE ITEM 10, UH, 8 28 28 NEVADA. UM, THIS COMES FROM PATTY ZIONS, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO AGREES WITH THE O H P STAFF FINDINGS THAT THE HOUSE AT 8 28 NEVADA MEETS THE CRITERIA OF OUR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. THIS BLOCK RETAINS THE VAST MAJORITY OF ITS ORIGINAL BUILDINGS, AND THE HOUSE PROVIDES CONTINUITY AND CONTEXT TO ITS STORE SURROUNDINGS. UM, NEXT, OH, AND JUST TO NOTE, UM, I WENT AHEAD AND READ THAT, BUT THAT ITEM HAS BEEN POSTPONED, UM, BY THE APPLICANT AND WE HEARD AT A LATER DATE. UM, ITEM 11 IS 9 0 3. 9 0 7 DAWSON. WE SUPPORT STAFF. THIS COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL STORE DISTRICT. WE SUPPORT STAFF THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR FENCE. HOWEVER, WE ENCOURAGE COMMISSIONERS TO AVOID CONFUSING PRECEDENTS BY AND ONLY ALLOWING EITHER A WOOD FRAMED OR IRON FENCE. ITEM 12, UM, THIS IS 9 0 5 NORTH PINE. UM, WE DO HAVE COMMENTS THAT I'M GOING TO READ, BUT JUST KNOW, UM, OH, THIS IS THE RECUSAL. SO LET ME READ THIS ONE. THIS ONE COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF [00:20:01] SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE SUPPORT STAFF AND RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT INCLUDE A D A ACCESSIBILITY, AND BETTER INFORM THEMSELVES ON THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH AND NEIGHBORHOOD BY REACHING OUT TO OUR LONGTIME NEIGHBORS. UM, ITEM 15. NOW THIS ONE HAS BEEN, UM, WITHDRAWN AT THE TIME. UM, SO IT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY. UM, AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM 16. UM, 2, 2 2. BROOKS, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE FINDING OF ITS STORE SIGNIFICANCE FOR 2, 2 2 BROOKS STREET. THE HOUSE MEETS AT LEAST THREE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION AND IS LOCATED IN THE CENTER OF AN INTACT BLOCK OF HOMES. THE HOUSE CONFORMS TO THE CONFIGURATION SHOWN ON THE 1896 SANDBORN MAP AND RETAINS MANY ORIGINAL FEATURES SUCH AS SIDING, FENESTRATION, AND DECORATIVE BARGE BOARD ON THE NORTH GABLE END LANDMARK DESIGNATION WILL ALLOW THE OWNER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TAX INCENTIVES AND OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WHILE PRESERVING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE SLOT. UM, FOR THAT ONE, I DO WANT TO NOTE THE REASON THAT THIS IS ON CONSENT IS BECAUSE THE OWNER HAS CONSENTED TO THE DESIGNATION, SO IT'S NO LONGER, UM, AN OWNER OPPOSED DESIGNATION. UM, SO IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AS, AS AN OWNER INITIATED DESIGNATION. UM, SO THOSE ARE COMMENTS FOR CONSENT ITEMS. FOLLOWING THOSE, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? CO. COREY, THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I, I APPRECIATE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL ON, ON, UH, ITEM 16. UH, WHICH, UM, THIS IS KIND OF THE BASIS OF MY QUESTION ON THE OTHER, UM, REQUEST FOR DESIGNATIONS. ARE THERE ANY APPLICA OR ARE THERE ANY OWNERS IN THE LIST THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE, UH, DESIGNATION REQUEST? UM, SO ITEMS TWO AND THREE, UM, THOSE ARE OWNER INITIATED. UM, SO THEY SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION. SO YES, THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THOSE. ITEM 10 IS NOT, UM, AND WE DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT QUORUM TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT ONE. SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT ONE IS BEING POSTPONED. OKAY. I APPRECIATE, UH, INFORMATION. THANK YOU, COURT. MM-HMM. , DO WE ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. I MOVE, UH, TO APPROVE ITEMS TWO THROUGH NINE, 11 THROUGH 14 AND ITEM 1616, STAFF STIPULATIONS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. ERMAN AYE. CARPENTER IS RECUSED. FETZER AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, YEAH, THIS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MS. HOLBROOK ON THE DREAMLAND PROPERTY, MR. SHANNON ON THE LEO FULL PROPERTY, AND MS. VOORHEES ON THE BROOKS PROPERTY FOR THEIR, UH, SUPPORT AND WISHING TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTIES, UH, DESIGNATED HISTORIC. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, SO A FEW MORE ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, ITEM 17 5 0 3 URBAN LOOP, UM, HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT AT THE REQUEST. UM, THAT WILL COME AT A LATER DATE. UM, SO WE'LL GET RIGHT INTO ITEM 18 NEXT. UM, BUT ALSO NOTE THAT, UM, ITEM 22 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TO DATE AS WELL. UM, SO WITH THAT, WE, ARE YOU THERE WITH THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM [18. 21-3463 Address/Description: 821 W Commerce / 816 W Houston (Golden Star Restaurant / Whitt Print Co. Building) HDRC Case No.: 2021-212 Historic District Name: Cattleman Square Applicant: Patrick Christensen, Attorney at Law Request: Demolition of a historic landmark City Council Dist.: 5] 18? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. YOU NEED TO UNMUTE STILL. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. YES. YEP. YES. ITEM NUMBER 18, CASE NUMBER 2021 AT TWO 12 AT THE WITT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING AT EIGHT 12 WEST COMMERCE STREET, FORMERLY AS EIGHT 16 WEST HOUSTON STREET. THIS IS A REQUEST TO DEMOLISH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE LOT AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE NOTED WITHIN THIS APPLICATION AS THE, WHICH PRINTING, COMPANY, BUILDING OR PRINT BUILDING LOCATED WITHIN CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DESIGNATED AS AN INDIVIDUAL LOCAL LANDMARK. THE BUILDING FACES WEST HOUSTON STREET AND WAS PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED INDIVIDUALLY AS EIGHT 16 WEST HOUSTON STREET. THE STRUCTURE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARCEL ALSO ADDRESSED 8 21 WEST COMMERCE IDENTIFIED AS GOLDEN STAR CAFE WAS DETERMINED NON-CONTRIBUTING THROUGH AN HISTORIC ASSESSMENT ISSUED MARCH 31ST, 2020 FIRST, AND IS ELIGIBLE FOR DEMOLITION STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE DEMOLITION OF THE CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY BASED ON FINDING A THROUGH G AS THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED SUFFICIENT INFORMATION [00:25:01] TO DEMONSTRATE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. IF THE H D R C FINDS THAT EITHER AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR FAILING THAT AN IRREVERSIBLE LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE HAS OCCURRED TO WARRANT APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BE SUBMITTED FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW OF REPLACEMENT PLANS AND THAT THE APPLICANT ADHERES TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE WHEN DESIGNING TEACHER DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, PATRICK CHRISTENSEN ON THE LINE. UH, PATRICK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UM, PROVIDE SOME OPENING COMMENTS? SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, SUITE STREET, SUITE 2,700. UH, I'VE BEEN ENGAGED BY THE, THE LIM FAMILY. THEY OWN THE GOLDEN STAR PROPERTY TO, TO ASSIST THEM. THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF IN A BIND. THEY, UM, THEY IMMIGRATED, THE FAMILY IMMIGRATED FROM CHINA IN THE 1930S, AND THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING A CHINESE FOOD RESTAURANT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD EVER SINCE. THIS IS THEIR THIRD LOCATION. THEY WERE IN OTHER BLOCKS WITHIN THE WEST SIDE. THE HOW DID YOU GIVE YOUR, THE NON-CONTRIBUTING? PARDON? KEEP GOING. UM, OKAY. THE, THE RESTAURANT BUILDING THAT'S ON THE HARD CORNER OF HOUSTON STREET IN TRIO WAS BUILT IN THE 1980S. THEY PURCHASED THE PRINT SHOP AS WELL IN THE 1980S. THEY WERE USING IT AS STORAGE. UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE MEANTIME, THE BUILDING HAS SUFFERED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE. THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH READY TO, TO RETIRE AND MOVE ON. UM, THE, THE RESTAURANT HAS NOT MADE ANY MONEY THIS PAST YEAR BECAUSE IT PRIMARILY SERVES, YOU KNOW, THE BIG CROWD IS LUNCHTIME. YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN EMPLOYEES COME THERE FOR LUNCH AND, AND NOBODY'S BEEN DOWNTOWN TO EAT THERE, SO THEY ARE REALLY STRUGGLING. THEY APPROACHED ME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE HAD POTENTIAL BUYERS FOR THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY ALL BASICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS BUILDING ON HOUSTON STREET, THE PRINT SHOP, I'LL JUST CALL IT THAT WE CAN'T EVEN ENGAGE INTO A, A, A PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE PLANS, THE, THE LIM FAMILY IS KIND OF IN A BIND. I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN A CATCH 22. THEY, NOBODY'S WILLING TO INVEST THAT KIND OF MONEY IN THE PROPERTY UNLESS THEY KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH, WITH THE BUILDING. UM, AND, AND THEY CERTAINLY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO, TO REHAB THE STRUCTURE. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS STAFF ASKED FOR IS, UM, COSTS FOR REHABILITATION. YOU KNOW, AN ARCHITECT'S GONNA WANT A THOUSAND TO $1,500 TO COME UP WITH THAT KIND OF ASSESSMENT. THEY'VE, THEY'VE TRIED TO GET ASSESSMENTS OR ESTIMATES ON REPLACING THE ROOF, THE ROOF FOR THE PRINT SHOP, AND BASICALLY THEY JUST TELL 'EM, NO, WE CAN'T. IT, IT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T SAVE IT. UM, SO THAT'S WHY THEY, WE'VE SUBMITTED THESE APPLICATIONS. THEY'RE WILLING TO SAVE THE FACADE. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT THAT'S POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTES TO THE, THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS BASICALLY CINDER BLOCKS AND CONCRETE. UM, THAT CERTAINLY IN OUR OPINION, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO, TO THE, TO THE FEATURES OF THE, THE CATTLEMAN HISTORIC DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK IN AN AERIAL, THIS PROPERTY, THIS BUILDING IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. ULTIMATE STRETCHES ALL THE WAY NORTH TO HOUSTON STREET, WHICH REALLY, UNLESS YOU CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THIS BUILDING, IT, THE, THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPABLE. YOU KNOW, WHEN URBAN RENEWAL WAS GOING ON IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE SEVENTIES, COMMERCE STREET WAS CLEARLY WIDENED ON TO THIS BLOCK. UM, THE RESTAURANT BUILDING ISN'T EVEN A PERFECT RECTANGLE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE URBAN RENEWAL, THEY CAME IN AND THEY TOOK LARGE SWATHS OF LAND FROM EVERYBODY. AND I BELIEVE EVERY BUILDING ON, ON COMMERCE STREET ON THIS BLOCK WAS PROBABLY JUST SHAVED OFF AND, AND DEMOLISHED. SO COULD THEY DO SOMETHING WITH THIS PROPERTY IF THE BUILDING WAS NOT THERE AND THEY DON'T REDEVELOP IT? SURE THEY COULD USE EXTRA PARKING. 'CAUSE WHEN THEY DID HAVE BUSINESS, WHEN THERE WAS NOT CORONAVIRUS GOING ON, THEY, THEY NEVER HAVE ENOUGH PARKING DURING THE LUNCH HOURS. MAYBE THAT WOULD FREE UP SOME OUTDOOR SEATING SPACE CLOSER TO THE RESTAURANT WHERE THIS COULD BE PARKING. THEY, THEY, THEY'VE GOT SOME THINGS THEY COULD DO WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT BASICALLY THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE REALLY IN A BIND. I MEAN, THEY, THEY CAN'T SELL THE PROPERTY. THEY CAN'T REHABILITATE THIS BUILDING. THEY'VE REALLY GOT NOWHERE TO TURN. SO THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY'VE COME TO YOU TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE COULD GET PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH THE BACK END OF THE BUILDING, SAVE THE FACADE. WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO, IN A BUILDING IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. WE DO, UM, I'LL PROVIDE THE WRITTEN COMMENTS FIRST. UM, THEN WE WILL PLAY, UH, A FEW VOICEMAILS AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LIVE CALLERS AS WELL. UM, SO THE WRITTEN COMMENTS JUST COMES FROM ADDIE ZIONS, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THE FORMER WITT PRINT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE STREET. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED EVIDENCE FOR ANY ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, NO ESTIMATES FOR THE COST OF REPAIRING OR REHABILITATING. THE STRUCTURE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED NO EVIDENCE FROM POTENTIAL BUYERS OR ANY MARKET STUDIES SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S ARGUMENT THAT DEMOLITION WOULD MAKE MARKETING OF THE PARCEL MORE LUCRATIVE. WHILE THE STRUCTURAL REPORT SHOWS, UH, NEEDED ROOF REPAIRS, THERE APPEARS TO BE NO IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. THE CONSERVATION [00:30:01] SOCIETY THUS CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF THAT THE, THAT THE DEMOLITION PROPOSAL WILL BE DENIED. UM, LET'S PLAY OUR VOICEMAILS. HELLO, MY NAME IS LETICIA SANCHEZ AND I AM THE CO-CHAIR PERSON OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION, WHICH REPRESENTS RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE NEAR WEST SIDE, JUST WEST OF I 35. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS 18 AND 19. MY ADDRESS IS 1710 CRU ZIP CODE 7 8 2 0 7. OUR ASSOCIATION OPPOSES THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO DEMOLISH THE HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED STRUCTURE AT 6 21 WEST COMMERCE, WHICH IS PART OF SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORIC CATTLEMAN SQUARE, AND ALSO OPPOSES THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE HISTORIC LANDMARK AND DISTRICT DESIGNATION. THERE ARE MANY REASONS FOR OUR OPPOSITION, SUCH AS THE FACT THAT DEMOLISHING A STRUCTURE AND REPLACING IT WITH A NEW STRUCTURE NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE ENVIRONMENT AND CONTRIBUTES TO CLIMATE CHANGE. AND THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT DOES NOT HAVE PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY EXCEPT TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SELL. THE MAIN REASON WE OPPOSE THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE REQUEST TO REMOVE ITS HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS BECAUSE WE WANT THE CITY TO SAVE THE FEW REMAINING HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP TO TELL THE STORY OF OUR PEOPLE AND OUR CULTURE. CATTLEMAN SQUARE HAS ALREADY LOST 50% OF THE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IF EACH NEW REQUESTED DEMOLISH AN HISTORIC BUILDING IS APPROVED, THE ENTIRE HISTORIC DISTRICT WILL DISAPPEAR. AND ALONG WITH IT, THE HISTORY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED TO BUILD OUR CITY, OUR ASSOCIATION IS COMPRISED OF RESIDENTS WHOSE FAMILIES HAVE LIVED IN THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE FOR MANY GENERATIONS, AND WHOSE FAMILIES HAVE CONTRIBUTED THEIR LABOR TO MAKE THE CITY WHAT IT IS. UNFORTUNATELY, EACH YEAR WE LOSE MORE AND MORE OF OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES TO DEMOLITIONS. AND SADLY, MANY OF THESE BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURES ARE REPLACED WITH PARKING LOTS OR COOKIE CUTTER BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE AND CULTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND WITH EACH BUILDING THAT IS DEMOLISHED, MORE AND MORE OF OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY IS ERASED. THEREFORE, WE ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER A REQUEST TO OPPOSE THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE AT 6 21 WEST COMMERCE AND OPPOSE THE REQUEST TO REMOVE ITS HISTORIC LANDMARK IN DISTRICT DESIGNATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HELLO, MY NAME IS YUMA HOFFMAN, AND, UH, MY ADDRESS IS 30 11 WHITE HILL DRIVE. I AM A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION, AND I'M CALLING AGAIN TO ASK FOR CONSIDERATION OF SAVING THE BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC BUILDING BEHIND THE WELL-LOVED GOLDEN STAR RESTAURANT. UH, THIS BUILDING IS LOCATED AT 8 21 COMMERCE. UH, THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 AND NUMBER 19. UM, THERE IS MUCH CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE, UH, DEMOLITION OF MANY OF OUR BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS PARTICULARLY DOWNTOWN. THIS IS WHY SAN ANTONIO IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES AT THIS TIME. UH, IT IS GRADUALLY FADING AWAY. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CANCEL CULTURE OF GETTING RID OF OUR HISTORY THAT WE NEED FOR OUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, AND GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN. UH, THERE IS MUCH WASTAGE WHEN THERE CAN BE RECYCLING AND REMODELING OF THESE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS. UH, SO AGAIN, TO KEEP THE ESSENCE OF SAN ANTONIO, THERE IS MUCH DEMOLITION AND NEW BUILDINGS GOING ON, AND OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY IS LOSING ITS ESSENCE OF HISTORY. SO PLEASE CONSIDER SAVING THESE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO UPLIFT THE HISTORIC RE OF OUR BUILDINGS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. BYE-BYE. MY NAME IS LINDA TEGA. I LIVE AT 25 0 5 . I AM CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 18 AND 19. I AM AGAINST THE DEMOLITION IN THIS BUILDING. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO DEMOLISH BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AROUND THE THE WEST SIDE. PLEASE STOP DOING THIS. UM, NEXT. I BELIEVE EDWARD HAS CIA SANCHEZ ON THE LINE. EDWARD, ARE Y'ALL THERE? YES, I'M HERE. CROSS, ARE YOU THERE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS, SURE. MY NAME IS ELA. MY NAME IS ELA SAN AND [00:35:01] I'M A RESIDENT OF A DISTRICT FIVE. I GREW UP AT JUST SOUTH OF CATTLEMAN SQUARE, AND LIKE MOST PEOPLE RAISED IN THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE, WE PASSED BY THIS AREA GOING TO AND FROM DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. HOWEVER, WE NEVER LEARNED THE IMPORTANT HISTORY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS CONNECTION TO INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMERCE AND THE TOURISM BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY IN OUR NEIGHBORS, TO OUR NEIGHBORS IN MEXICO. IT IS VERY DISTURBING TO LEARN THAT THESE BUILDINGS AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE, WHICH INCLUDES THE W BUILDING AT EIGHT 16 WEST HOUSTON, ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR DEMOLITION. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WORKED TO REDEVELOP THIS AREA AS WELL AS HAVE THE ENTIRE AREA DESIGNATED HISTORIC IN 1988. I QUOTE FROM SEVERAL SOURCES PROVIDED BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY ABOUT THE HISTORY OF CATTLEMAN SQUARE. CATTLEMAN SQUARE HAS A UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE KNOWN AS THE MISSION STYLE. THIS STYLE WAS NORMALLY FEATURED IN ALL TRAIN STATIONS FOUND IN SAN ANTONIO. MOST OF THE REMAINING BUILDINGS CAN BE GROUPED BECAUSE THEY ARE STRUCTURES WITH TRADITIONAL FACADES UNDER A TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE KNOWN AS ECLECTIC. IT IS THE STYLES THAT GIVE CATTLEMAN SQUARE A UNIQUE CHARACTER END QUOTE. IN REVIEWING HISTORICAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE WICK PRINTING COMPANY, I LEARNED ABOUT WHO FLED THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION AND CAME TO SAN ANTONIO AND BUILT UP A PRINTING BUSINESS THAT PLAYED AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN PRINTING SPANISH LANGUAGE PUBLICATIONS AND MATERIALS FROM THE COMMUNITY. LATER WE LEARNED THAT THEY SUPPORTED ORGANIZATIONS LIKE BY PRINTING MATERIALS FOR THEIR CONVENTIONS. FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE HAS HELPED TO PRESERVE THAT MASS NIGHTCLUB, WHICH WAS DESTINED AS WELL FOR DEMOLITION. WE WERE TOLD THAT THE BUILDING WOULD COLLAPSE BECAUSE OF THE ROOF STRUCTURE. WE WERE TOLD WE COULDN'T BE SAVED BECAUSE OF CRACKS OF THE WALL OF THIS 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING, WHICH WAS IN A WAY WORSE CONDITION THAN THE WHI BUILDING. IF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE MAINTAINED AND REHABILITATED, THIS UNIQUE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE BENEFICIAL AND ENRICH A HIGHER QUALITY UNIVERSITY EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE FOR STUDENTS, FACULTY, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. IN MUCH THE SAME WAY AS FOR STUDENTS WHO ATTEND COLLEGES AT BROWN, HARVARD, AND THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA, THESE UNIVERSITIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES HAVE EMBRACED THE HISTORY AND HISTORIC BELIEFS THAT SURROUND THEM AND RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF PLACE DEVELOPERS WANTING TO WORK IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT SHOULD EMBRACE AND HONOR THE HISTORY AS WELL. WE LOOK FORWARD TO H DRCS RECOMMENDATION TO DENY DEMOLITION OF THE WHI BUILDING IN ITEM NUMBER 18 AND DENIAL OF REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND REMOVAL FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS REQUESTED IN ITEM NUMBER 19, WHICH IS CORRECT. YES. THANK YOU. AND THEN I BELIEVE STEPHANIE HAS AMELIA VALDEZ. STEPH, ARE YOU THERE, AMELIA? YES, I'M HERE. OKAY, WE CAN HEAR YOU. UM, GO AHEAD AND TAKE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS VALDEZ AND I RESIDED 1 6 3 5 . I AM THE CO-CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION, AND I'M TALKING ON ITEM 18 AND 19. UH, FIRST, UH, ALL, UH, UH, WE WEREN'T AWARE THAT, UH, UH, PROPERTY WAS HAVING HARDSHIP, UH, AS AN ASSOCIATION. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE WEST SIDE. I WAS RAISED IN A COMMUNITY WITH MANY HISTORICAL BUILDINGS. CHURCHES LIKE SANSO WAS A LUPE CHURCH, SACRED HEART WERE HAVE BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS, SCHOOLS LIKE BARKLEY, LANIER, AND COOPER. SEVERAL, OUR RESIDENTS AT THE WEST SIDE ARE ASKING WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR BUILDING, LIKE GLORIA, A PLACE AND SPACE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED, WHERE MEXICANOS USED TO DANCE AND LISTEN TO BEAUTIFUL MUSIC. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MO HOUSE WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO AND GET FOOD TO EAT AND ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY AND THEY CAN LISTEN TO MUSIC. NOW WE'RE HITTING THE CATTLEMEN WHERE MY FAMILY AND RESIDENTS TALK ABOUT THE FIESTA, THE MEXICAN MUSIC, WHERE YOU CAN AFFORD TO GET ON THE RIDE IN CARNIVAL, BUT NOW YOU GET WHERE IT HURTS. GOLDEN STAR WAS A PLACE WHERE MY PARENTS MET, AND THAT'S WHY I AM HERE. I AM AGAINST NO MORE, NO MORE BUILDINGS TO BE DEMOLISHED. AND WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY THE NEAR WEST SIDE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UM, THAT'S EVERYONE. WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS. UM, I WILL NOTE THAT WE'LL LEAVE OUR LIVE CALLERS ON THE LINE IN CASE THERE'S ANY, UH, FOLLOW UP FROM YOU ALL. [00:40:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CHRISTENSEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE PUBLIC? SURE. AND I, AND I'LL BE BRIEF, I KNOW YOU'LL HAVE A LONG EVENING AHEAD OF YOU. UM, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS WITH THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND VARIOUS BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE BEING DEMOLISHED. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF BRING THIS BACK A LITTLE BIT TO THE LIM FAMILY WHO'S, WHO'S OPERATED CHINESE FOOD RESTAURANTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE THE 1930S, ALMOST 80 YEARS AGO. THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 80 YEARS, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE EXPLORED THE POSSIBILITY OF KEEPING A RESTAURANT OPEN THERE ON A, YOU KNOW, ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF SOME FUTURE MULTI-STORY BUILDING. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY CERTAINLY AREN'T, CAN'T BE FORCED TO CONTINUE OPERATING THEIR RESTAURANT. BUT I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, CLEARLY IF THE FACADE, I MEAN THE FACADE IS THE, THE ONE INTERESTING PART OF THIS BUILDING. THAT'S WHY I'VE SAID ALL ALONG, WE'RE WILLING TO KEEP THAT. I MEAN, THE CINDER BLOCK WAREHOUSE BEHIND IT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, I I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE, TO THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I SUBMITTED A LETTER TO STAFF FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNERS OF, OF THE FRENCH SHOP WHERE THEY SAID THEMSELVES, I DIDN'T FEEL THE STRUCTURE WAS HISTORIC, IT WAS JUST A FRENCH SHOP. UM, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO DOWNPLAY THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF CATTLEMAN SQUARE, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T LMAS DANCE HALL. IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE KIND OF PLACES. IT'S JUST SORT OF A WAREHOUSE BUILDING. AND I, I THINK THE, THE LIM FAMILY WOULD, WOULD JUST LIKE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH THE BACK WAREHOUSE STRUCTURE. LIKE I SAID, THEY'LL KEEP THE FACADE. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. JUST PLEASE ALLOW US TO DO THAT. SO THE LIM FAMILY CAN, FAMILY CAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMPENDING GOVERNMENT TELLING YOU WHAT YOU CAN OR CAN'T DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY. I DON'T WANNA GO INTO ALL OF THAT, BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE IN A REAL FINANCIAL BIND AND, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP. THEY WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU ALLOW THEM TO DEMOLISH THE BACK PART OF THE STRUCTURE, AND THEY'LL KEEP THE FACADE AND WORK WITH HISTORIC STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STRUCTURALLY, UM, SAFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, JUST A QUESTION, MR. CHRISTENSEN. UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT SEVERAL DEVELOPERS HAVE APPROACHED, UH, THE FAMILY AS, AND LOOKING AT THE, UH, ENTIRE PROPERTY. BUT HAVE Y'ALL EXPLORED, UM, DIVIDING THE PROPERTY AND SELLING IT TO MULTIPLE DEVELOPERS, ONE WHO WOULD TAKE THE LANDMARK PROPERTY, THE, THE WOOD PRINT BUILDING AND DEVELOP THAT INTO A, A NEW STRUCTURE OR BUSINESS, RATHER THAN KEEPING IT ALL AS ONE, UH, TWO THIRDS OF A BLOCK DIVIDED UP? HAS THAT BEEN EXPLORED? YES. UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. I MEAN, SO THE, THE POTENTIAL BUYERS HAVE WANTED THE ENTIRE PROPERTY TO DO A MULTI-STORY, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING WITH COMMERCIAL ON THE GRASS FLOOR, YOU KNOW, ON HOUSTON STREET, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING, UNFORTUNATELY AT THIS TIME, I'M SURE EVERYONE WHO WAS THERE AT THE D R C MEETING HAS SEEN HOUSTON STREET IS PRETTY ROUGH. UM, A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE, SOMEONE TO TRY TO OPEN UP A STOREFRONT ON THIS BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY BE IMPOSSIBLE AT THIS TIME. UM, AT THE OTHER END OF HOUSTON STREET, BY THE FREEWAY, BY THE MCDONALD'S, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, DAY LABOR KIND OF AREA. IT'S NOT OFFICIAL OR ANYTHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S A ROUGH STREET. THERE WAS PLANS TO BUILD A APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET THAT PROBABLY WOULD'VE HELPED WITH THAT EYES ON THE STREET KIND OF A THING. BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT WAS A TAX CREDIT PROJECT, AND THEY DID NOT GET THEIR TAX CREDIT, SO THAT, THAT KIND OF FELL, FELL AWAY. SO, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, THE ONLY INTEREST WE'VE HAD HAS BEEN FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I MEAN, I WISH THIS WAS ON THE CORNER ON ONE SIDE, IT'S RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION I'LL, I'LL, I'LL DEFER. UH, YES, THIS IS, UM, COMMISSIONER . UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION JUST FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, THEY'VE HAD MORE EXPERIENCE ON THE BOARD HERE. UM, HAS THERE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE, UM, BUILDINGS HAVE, UH, BEEN ABLE TO BE MOVED TO THE SIDE OR TO BE WHERE IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE TO WHERE IT CAN BE SAVED, UM, TO MAXIMIZE USE OF THE PROPERTY? UM, SO THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. AND THEN, UM, THIS IS MORE OF A STATEMENT, I GUESS. UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A RESIDENCE OF THE WEST SIDE, NEAR WEST SIDE, UM, VISITING GOLDEN STAR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UM, THREE GENERATIONS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS A BALANCE OF, YOU KNOW, RETAINING HISTORIC, UM, BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEAR WEST SIDE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UNDERSTANDING THE, THESE UNPRECEDENTED TIMES, UM, THAT THE, THE PANDEMIC THAT HAVE AFFECTED SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE OF JUST FINDING OUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS LAST WEEK THAT, UM, THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OF THE FAMILY. UM, SO I JUST, AS I MENTIONED THAT, THAT'S MY STATEMENT, BUT LIKE I SAID, MY, MY FIRST QUESTION IN Y'ALL'S EXPERIENCE, HAS THERE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE A BUILDING COULD BE, LET'S SAY, UH, [00:45:01] A MAJORITY OF A BUILDING COULD BE SAVED, MAYBE PUSHED, UH, MOVED TO THE SIDE? UH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER? YES, THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE HISTORIC BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN RELOCATED, UH, WHETHER THIS ONE CAN BE, UH, IT WOULD NEED TO HAVE A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS AND, UM, EVALUATION TO SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO MOVE THE STRUCTURE. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. YES, SIR. UM, CHAIRMAN, THIS, THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE SIMPLEST SITUATION OR THE SITUATION THAT FITS INTO, YOU KNOW, THE PANDEMIC STYLE TIME. I HOPE THAT WE CAN DEDICATE SOME TIME TO UNDERSTANDING THE, THE SUBTLETIES OF THIS SITUATION. UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I AM REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT IT'S A QUESTION, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S ODD TO ME THAT THE JURISDICTION TO DECIDE WHICH OF THESE TWO BUILDINGS IS DEMOLISHED, WAS NOT IN THE PURVIEW OF THE H D R C BECAUSE, UH, UH, IF, IF THERE IS A DECISION THAT'S TO BE MADE, IT IS JUST A MYSTERY TO ME WHY THE GOLDEN STAR BUILDING IS NOT PART OF THAT DECISION. AND MOST DEFINITELY, WHEN THE DECISIONS ARE, ARE LEFT TO THE, TO THE CITIZEN BOARDS, IT'S BECAUSE THE, THE, UM, THE MUNICIPALITY, THE, THE, THE, THE REALLY, THE LEGAL SYSTEM HAS DECIDED THAT, THAT THESE ARE NOT DECISIONS THAT SHOULD BE IN THE PURVIEW OF STAFF. UM, AND IT IS JUST INTERESTING TO ME THAT, THAT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON A BUILDING WHEN ANOTHER BUILDING ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY, A DECISION WAS MADE, BUT THAT DECISION WAS NOT MADE BY VIRTUE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THROUGH THE ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO APPOINTS COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, UM, IT, IT, I THINK IT IS REAL IMPORTANT THAT, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE GOLDEN STAR BUILDING IS NOT LEFT OUT OF THE DIALOGUE, AND THAT IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US AND KINDA MADE VERY CLEAR TO US THAT THAT'S NOT THE HISTORIC GOLDEN STAR CAFE. SO WE'VE BEEN TO MANY GOLDEN STAR CAFES OVER THE DECADES, UM, AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND AT LEAST THOSE OF OF US THAT HAVE EATEN AT THE GOLDEN STAR IN OUR YOUTH. UH, NOW WITH RESPECT TO THIS BUILDING, MR. CHAIR, UH, THIS IS THE DIFFICULT PART OF THIS BUILDING BECAUSE OF, OF THIS, OF THIS, OF THIS APPLICATION. UH, BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS, UM, I MEAN, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE H D R C, RIGHT? THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF O H P IS TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR WHY A BUILDING, UH, RETAINS ITS SIGNIFICANCE. AND THERE'S THAT LIST OF THINGS, RIGHT? THAT WE DO TAKE SERIOUS, UH, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IF A BUILDING IS FALLING DOWN. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT PRESENTS A HARDSHIP WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THAT. NOW, THIS IS AN ODD SITUATION WITH RESPECT TO THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A DEMOLITION REQUEST SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE A PROPERTY EMPTY SO THAT IT BECOMES MORE, UH, SELLABLE. THIS IS NOT THE TYPICAL SITUATION THAT COMES BEFORE US. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THIS IS THE SITUATION THAT WE WOULD MOST BE LIKELY TO TELL THE APPLICANT, DON'T, DON'T BRING THIS TO US WITHOUT A PLAN FOR WHAT YOU PROPOSE. SO IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO, UH, CONSIDER A DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING THAT IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND THAT MOST DEFINITELY IS OF THE LAST PIECES OF, UH, HISTORIC INTEGRITY LEFT IN THE AREA. SO IT PUTS US IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION, BECAUSE WE ALSO WANT TO BE VERY RESPECTFUL OF NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO TALK ABOUT BEING IN THE WEST SIDE OR BEING FROM THE WEST SIDE, BUT BEING VERY SENSITIVE TO THE SUBJECT MATTER AS WELL, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FAMILY THAT HAS ALSO FROM THE WEST SIDE. AND THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED GREATLY TO ALL OF OUR HISTORIES AND, AND HAS KEPT OUR BELLIES HAPPY FOR SO LONG THAT WE MOST DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA, UM, UH, NOT, UH, UH, TAKE VERY SERIOUS THEIR CONTRIBUTION AND THEIR PLANS AND NEEDS. BUT THIS BUILDING, UH, HAS A HISTORY THAT GOES BEYOND THAT FAMILY. AND, UH, UH, IN, IN THE D R C I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD THIS, UH, DISCUSSION, UH, MR. CHAIR. AND PART OF THE DIALOGUE WAS EXACTLY HOW MUCH OF THIS BUILDING IS CONTRIBUTING. I, I, YOU KNOW, I I I'M NOT A BELIEVER IN THE SAVING OF FACADES, LIKE AT THE TEXAS THEATER, UH, FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE STRUCTURALLY SOUND, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE, I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE STAFF CAN, UH, GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE TIMELINE IS IN THIS, OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING [00:50:01] WITH ITS ADDITION. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE VERY HELPFUL WITH OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONER FROM DISTRICT FIVE, UH, UH, AS WE DIVE INTO A DIALOGUE THAT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE WEST SIDE. UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. SO THAT WAS KIND OF A REQUEST FROM, UH, FOR STAFF TO TELL US ABOUT THE BUILDING. YEAH. UM, THIS INFORMATION IS IN THE FINDINGS. UM, JUST GENERALLY, I'LL STATE THAT WE KNOW THAT IT WAS THE, THE, UM, NORTHERNMOST PORTION THAT YOU SEE, WHICH IS THE, THE LONGER PART WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 1930S, UM, AND HOUSED THE WHIT PRINT COMPANY, AS WE KNOW, UM, THE TWO STORY EDITION WE BELIEVE WAS BUILT, UM, IN THE LATE FIFTIES BASED ON SANBORN MAPS. UM, AND, AND NOTING THAT DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME. UM, W WERE THERE MORE? WHAT, WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION? WELL, CORY W WE SEE THAT THERE'S, THAT THERE'S A, A, A TIMELINE EVIDENT IN THE A IN THE ARTIFACT, RIGHT? CAN, CAN YOU BREAK DOWN THAT TIMELINE? LIKE, IS THAT ALL ONE PERIOD BUILDING WAS, WAS PART FROM ONE PERIOD, ANOTHER AGE? SO, SO THE ENTIRE BUILDING, WHICH HAS THE TWO KIND OF CONSTRUCTION PERIODS, SO THE, THE ONE STORY AND THE TWO STORY PORT PART IS DESIGNATED, UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO MUCH INTO KIND OF, UM, JUSTIFYING ITS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. IT IS LANDMARK, IT IS CONTRIBUTING IN THE DISTRICT. WE KNOW IT'S SIGNIFICANT. UM, AND SO THE DEMOLITION QUESTION IS REALLY, REALLY SHOULD RELATE, UM, TO, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICATION HAS DEMONSTRATED PROOF OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. UM, MANY OF YOU KNOW, THERE IS ANOTHER REQUEST ON THE AGENDA FOLLOWING THIS ONE TO REMOVE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. AND SO IN THAT REQUEST, WE ARE ABLE TO REVIEW, UM, THE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITE AGAINST THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA AND KIND OF REVIEW IT THAT WAY. UM, BUT FOR THIS CASE, FOR THE DEMOLITION REQUEST, IT REALLY SHOULD BE LIMITED. UH, THE REVIEW SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THE, THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE REQUEST. AND, AND THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A LANDMARK, CORRECT? UH, WELL, COREY, I APPRECIATE THE ANSWER, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO JUST REITERATE JUST, UH, HOW IMPORTANT, UH, THIS CASE IS. UH, IT'S A SENSITIVE CASE, UH, UM, UH, BUT IT, BUT IT IS A KIND OF A, A PRECEDENT OF SOMETHING. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. FOR THE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. CHRISTENSEN ABOUT, ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT ITEM, UH, AS PERTAINS TO DESIGNATION. UM, IF, IF A PARTIAL DEMOLITION WAS CONSIDERED, CONSIDERED, UH, KIND OF WITH THIS ITEM, WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE REMOVAL OF THE DESIGNATION? WELL, OKAY. TO BE, I MEAN, THE LENS CAME TO ME AND SAID, LOOK, WE, YOU KNOW, PLEASE HELP US. SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EVERY POSSIBLE WAY I COULD HELP THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THIS COMMISSION ISN'T GOING TO TO HELP US WITH DEMOLITION OF, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING BUT THE FACADE OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S REQUEST NUMBER ONE. BUT THEN THE SECOND REQUEST IS IF I, IF I CAN'T GET HELP FOR THE LYNN FAMILY FROM THIS COMMISSION, I'M GOING TO THE COUNCILWOMAN TO SEE IF I CAN GET THERE TO REMOVE US FROM THE DISTRICT SO WE CAN HAVE PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING. I'M TRYING TO PURSUE EVERY AVENUE I CAN FOR THEM. I KNOW THAT'S, UM, NOT THE NORMAL WAY TO GO. I'M JUST, I'M, LIKE I SAID, I'VE COME TO BE CLOSE WITH THE LYNN FAMILY. I'VE BEEN OVER THERE SEVERAL TIMES. I'M TRYING TO HELP THEM OUT ANY WAY I CAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I UNDERSTAND. BUT YES, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF WE GOT PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH I'D, I'D DROP THE, THE REZONING FOR SURE. SO IF YOU HAVE PERMISSION FOR PARTIAL DEMOLITION, I MEAN, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY YOU'RE SAYING ANYTHING BEYOND JUST THE FACADE, UH, IS, IS KIND. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME STRUCTURAL, YOU KNOW, ISSUES GO BACK AWAY TO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE GIRDERS SO WE CAN SAVE THE FACADE. I, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I CAN CERTAINLY BE INCORPORATED INTO A NEW BUILDING. I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP THE LIMB FAMILY AS BEST I CAN. FOR, FOR, YEAH, FOR INSTANCE, IF THE COMMISSION, IF THE COMMISSION, UH, CONSIDERED A PARTIAL DEMOLITION OR, UH, A PLAN TO INCORPORATE, UH, ELEMENTS OF THAT STRUCTURE INTO A NEW STRUCTURE, UH, A NEW CONSTRUCTION RATHER, THAT MIGHT, MIGHT HELP, UH, THE APPLICANT, I DON'T THINK THIS CON COMMISSION COULD DO THAT AND CONSIDER THE NEXT ITEM IN GOOD FAITH. WE'D HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE DISTRICT DESIGNATION AND THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION. SO, UM, THE ABILITY, THE ABILITY FOR THE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS LARGELY CONCRETE, THE WOOD, THE, THE ROOF IS [00:55:01] WOOD FRAMED AND, AND COLLAPSED THAN MIGHT, MIGHT BE IN THIS PHOTO, UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOTHING PROBABLY SALVAGEABLE ABOUT THE ROOF. UM, I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FEATURES CONTRIBUTE TO THE, UH, DISTRICT MOST, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY ARE, ARE RELATED TO THE FACADE. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT THE STRUCTURE OR PORTIONS OF THIS STRUCTURE COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO A PROJECT. AND, AND I'M, I'M JUST NOT, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN FIX THIS RIGHT NOW OR MAKE THIS WORKABLE IN THE, IN THE IMMEDIATE TERM WITHOUT REDEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT, UH, EXPLORE, UH, INCORPORATION OF THIS PROJECT INTO A DEVELOPMENT, UM, OR BETTER DOCUMENT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. MR. CHAIRMAN, COMM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. YES. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE JUST A FEW COMMENTS. I THINK, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CURTIS, UH, FISH WAS, UH, HITTING UPON, I, I TOTALLY CONCUR WITH. UM, I, I HAVE A DIFFICULTY, UH, WITH THIS CASE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE REPLACEMENT PLANS, AND I WOULD IMAGINE ANY DEVELOPER INVESTORS WHO WOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS LARGE PARCEL AND LOOKING AT A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, UM, ARE USED TO DOING FEASIBILITY STUDIES EVERY DAY, ALL DAY. AND, UM, IF THEY WERE TO PREPARE A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT SHOWS HOW THIS COULD BE INCORPORATED IN SOMETHING MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN SIMPLY SLICING OFF THE FACADE, UM, BUT IN A, IN A MEANINGFUL WAY THAT, UH, LEAVES THAT MEMORY MOMENT, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE PROPERTY AND FOR THE, THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT, UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMISSION WOULD BE MUCH MORE RECEPTIVE TO, RATHER THAN JUST SORT OF THE, UM, THE, THE NOTION THAT THIS THING GETS RAISED TO THE GROUND AND THERE'S NO, UM, COMMITMENT THAT ANYTHING WILL COME BACK AND IT JUST BECOMES YET ANOTHER, UH, EXAMPLE OF, OF AN EMPTY LOT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S, OR A COMMUNITY THAT'S GETTING, YOU KNOW, ERODED, UH, PRETTY QUICKLY. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I CONCUR WITH THE, UH, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE, THE, THE CALLERS ABOUT THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS GOES WAY BEYOND THE, THE TANGIBLE PHYSICAL SIGNIFICANCE, UM, AND BEYOND THIS FAMILY, I WOULD ADD ONE MORE THING, THAT THIS FAMILY'S OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, AND THIS HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY A, UM, A CASE OF, OF DEMOLITION THROUGH NEGLECT. AND I THINK I WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THEIR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP HAD THEY DONE SOMETHING WITH THIS OVER TIME, OR AT LEAST MAINTAINED IT IN A, IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY. SO THAT IS KIND OF ONE CAVEAT THAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS FAMILY'S ECONOMIC ISSUES AS WELL. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING WITH THIS, UH, LONG AGO SO THAT IT WOULD BE A MORE VIABLE, UH, PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO A, A BIGGER REHABILITATION AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. THANK YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, YES, SIR. I, I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING JUST IN THE DIALOGUE, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S HAVING AND I, AND, AND, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I JUST COMPELLED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HA HAVING YOU, YOU BEEN REALLY AFFILIATED WITH THE AREA FOR QUITE SOME TIME IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. UM, THE, UM, THE AREA HAS RECEIVED A LOT OF NEGLECT ON THE PART OF THE MUNICIPALITY. IN REALITY, THE BUSINESS OWNERS, PARTICULARLY THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THAT, THAT HAVE OPERATED THE GOLDEN STAR, THEIR REAL IMPORTANT PART OF AN AREA OF THE CITY, THAT WHEN THE CITY WAS VERY WELL SEGREGATED WAS AN AREA THAT, UH, THAT, UH, UM, ENJOYED WHILE BEING SEGREGATED, HAD NO, UH, DEEDED RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THAT SEGREGATED AREA. SO IT WAS AN INTEGRATED AREA. IT'S AN AREA WHERE YOU'LL FIND LEBANESE FAMILIES, ITALIAN FAMILIES, CHINESE FAMILIES, FAMILIES THAT DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM LIVING AMONGST THE MEXICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, WHICH IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL STORAGE SAN ANTONIO. AS WE PASS URBAN RENEWAL AND AS WE ENTER INTO THE MODERN ERA, PARTICULARLY RIGHT NOW WITH COVID GOING ON, THE AREA HAS BEEN REALLY KICKED TO THE GROUND. AND, UM, MANY OF US KNOW THE AREA AS KIND OF THE DAILY LABOR PARK OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. SO THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN REALLY KIND OF VICTIMIZED [01:00:01] BY THE CITY, NOT HAVING A RESPONSE TO THE SITUATION THAT WHILE THE REST OF THE CITY SEES THIS, UH, THE PROBLEM OF PEOPLE WITHOUT HOUSES, WITHOUT PLACES TO LIVE GROWING THIS AREA SEES ALMOST NO DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT IN THIS AREA. AND AS THE BUSINESSES HAVE STRUGGLED, I'M CERTAIN THAT THIS BUILDING ALONG WITH THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT, THAT THEY HAVE BEEN REALLY THE VICTIMS OF AN AREA THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO, UH, TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR. HOW DO YOU DO BUSINESS IN THAT ENVIRONMENT? IT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT FOR THE BUILDING. AND I THINK TO THE, TO THE, TO THE REALLY TO THE POINT AND THE, AND THE DIFFICULTY THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT WE'RE TAKING MR. CHAIR TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THESE VERY SENSITIVE SITUATIONS BECAUSE, UH, IT IS A, IT IS A TOUGH ONE, AND THE BUILDING STANDS THERE REALLY A SURVIVOR OF ALL OF THE, THE NEGLECT AND KIND OF WHAT WE LIKE TO LOOK AT IS THE HORROR OF NEGLECT IN THE WEST SIDE. UM, SO WHILE THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN A VICTIM, IT'S ALSO A BIT OF A ARCHITECTURAL HERO, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO DIFFICULT TO SEE THIS BUILDING JUST GO AWAY. UM, I HOPE THAT HELPS. AND, AND, AND I, AND, AND, AND ANY OF US THAT HAVE BEEN CONSULTANTS, SIR, KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN YOUR SITUATION WITH AN OWNER WHO JUST, WHO, WHO WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THEIR FAMILY AND EVERYTHING, AND, AND FINDS THEMSELVES THE OWNER OF A, OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT THOSE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS WE LIKE TO SAY IS WHAT YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO BECOME A HISTORIC DISTRICT. RIGHT. OR, OR OWN IN A DISTRICT LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, UH, BELIEVE ME, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, IN ANY WAY MEANT TO BE, UH, MEAN-SPIRITED OR SIMPLY ACADEMIC. UH, THE BUILDING REALLY DOES MEAN SOMETHING. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I WOULD ECHO MANY OF THE THOUGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, SPOKEN TODAY BY COMMISSIONERS, BY CITIZENS, UM, BY THE, THE APPLICANT AND, AND, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY REPRESENT. UM, BUT I FEEL THAT THIS, AT LEAST THE, THE 1930S VER PORTION OF THIS STRUCTURE HAS ENOUGH STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY, CULTURAL INTEGRITY, THAT, UM, I COULD NOT SUPPORT DEMOLITION OR REMOVAL OF DESIGNATION ON THE, UM, AT LEAST THE 1930 PORTION OF THIS, UH, THE WITT PRINT, PRINT BUILDING QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. YES. I, I MOVE FOR DENIAL FOR THE DEMOLITION. I, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR DENIAL OF DEMOLITION. ANY DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I, I HAVE SOME HESITATION IN, IN, IN SUPPORTING THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK, UM, PARTIAL, A PARTIAL DEMOLITION OR A MORE SOPHISTICATED INCORPORATION OF THE PROJECT INTO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLANS COULD, UH, COULD WARRANT SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE BUILDING IN SOME DEMOLITION, PARTICULARLY THE STRUCTURE NEAR THE CENTER OF THE, OF THE BLOCK. SO I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T FULLY SUPPORT THE REQUEST AS MADE TO ONLY SAVE THE FACADE. I THINK OTHER PARTS OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY ARE SIGNIFICANT. UH, BUT THE REAR ADDITION PERHAPS, UM, I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, DEMOLITION OR MAYBE SELECTIVE DEMOLITION TO ACCOMMODATE CORPORATIONS TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO I'M A LITTLE BIT TORN ON TAKING AN ACTION TODAY, AND I DO BELIEVE, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A MOTION IN THE AFFIRMATIVE THAT MEETS TWO THIRDS APPROVAL. SO I'M JUST NOT CERTAIN WE CAN GET THERE TODAY. MI MR. CHAIR IN YES. YES, SIR. IN THE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE COMMENTS, RIGHT? IT PARTICULARLY COMMENTS OF FELLOW COMMISSIONER FISH, THE NO MOTION, ABSOLUTELY NO MOTION IS ALMOST THE SAME AS AFFIRMING THE APPLICATION FROM O H P, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? SO, LET ME EXPLAIN. UM, SO [01:05:01] THE U D C REQUIRE, SO NORMAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUESTS, AS YOU KNOW, ARE SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE BY THE COMMISSION, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DEMOLITION REQUESTS OF A LANDMARK SUCH AS THIS ONE. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A TWO THIRDS MAJORITY. UM, WHICH IS WHY COMMISSIONER FISH WAS, UH, THINKING THE MOTION WOULD, UH, NEED TO BE MADE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE SO THAT WE COULD SEE IF WE GOT TWO THIRDS AND SEE IF IT PASSES. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT A MOTION TO DENY COULDN'T ALSO PASS WITH A SIMPLE MAJORITY, BUT JUST KNOW TO APPROVE A DEMOLITION, A TWO THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE IS REQUIRED OF THE COMMISSION. OKAY? BUT NOW, BUT NOW CORY, IF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE A MOTION RIGHT, SAY THAT THERE'S SILENCE, RIGHT? THERE'S NO MOTION. DOES THAT AFFIRM THE APPLICANT OR DOES, DOES THAT AFFIRM THE, THE OWNER'S REQUEST? IF, IF WE FAIL TO TAKE ACTION, THE ITEM WOULD BE CONTINUED. OKAY. NOW, UH, UH, MR. MR. CHAIR, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DO FEEL THAT THE APPROPRIATE, UH, PLACE FOR, FOR THIS TO GO IS AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED IT ON THE O H P SIDE, THAT, UH, I, I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISK PROVIDED THAT THERE WAS A, THE PRESENTATION OF A, UH, OF A PROPOSAL. BUT THIS IS JUST A, JUST, JUST TO MAKE THE PROPERTY SELLABLE, SO, SO TO SPEAK, RIGHT? BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT WANNA BUY IT WITH IT, SOMEBODY MIGHT WANNA BUY IT WITHOUT IT. UH, UM, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S AN ODD REQUEST ON THAT LEVEL. UM, BUT, UH, THE, THE, THE THING THAT TEARS AT ME IS THAT THE END OF THE ROAD IS NOT THE O H P, I MEAN THE H D R C AS THE APPLICANT SAID, AND THEY, HE CAN TAKE THAT TO THE, TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION, I MEAN, TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL. UH, BECAUSE IT, IT JUST TO, TO YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER FISH, IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE ONLY APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR, UH, THE SCENARIO THAT YOU, THAT YOU MAP OUT IS IF THERE IS A PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF US WITHOUT THE PROPOSAL. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE CART IS BEFORE THE HORSE. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. YES. JUST TO COMMENT ON, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FISH'S, UH, COMMENT AND HESITANCY TO SUPPORT PERHAPS BY MOTION, UM, I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT. THERE MIGHT BE, UH, A VERY APPROPRIATE PATH FORWARD OF SELECTIVE DEMOLITION, UH, THAT WOULD PERMIT, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT VIABILITY OF THIS, THIS PROPERTY. BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY KIND OF PROPOSED PLAN, I DON'T, UH, I I DON'T SEE, UH, WHAT THE RATIONALE WOULD BE FOR HOW MUCH WOULD BE PERMITTED TO BE DEMOLISHED. AND SO THAT IS WHY IN, IN THE, IN THE ABSENCE OF A REPLACEMENT PLAN, I REALLY CAN'T SUPPORT CHOPPING AWAY AT THIS BUILDING SORT OF RANDOMLY, AND THEN HOPING THAT THAT WILL THEN MAKE THE PROPERTY MORE, UH, ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. I THINK WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IS GO TO SOME OF THOSE DEVELOPERS AND SAY, PUT TOGETHER A FEASIBILITY STUDY. LET'S PRESENT THIS TO O H P AND H D R C, AND LET'S SHOW THEM HOW MUCH WE CAN RETAIN, UH, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET, UH, CLEARANCE FROM THIS COMMISSION, UH, TO HAVE A WHOLESALE DEMOLITION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY POSITION. I'M NOT, UM, UH, OPPOSED TO A SELECTIVE DEMOLITION SOLUTION, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN GET TO THAT SOLUTION WITHOUT SOME KIND OF, UH, VIABLE REPLACEMENT PLAN BEING PRESENTED IN COORDINATION WITH, UH, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE DEMO DEMOLISHED. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL OF DEMOLITION. I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. I, OH, SORRY. . UM, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ, DO YOU MIND TURNING ON YOUR CAMERA FOR YOUR VOTE? ALRIGHT. AND THAT WAS AN I, CORRECT? OKAY. CORRECT. UH, NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE. ZOOMER RUN? AYE, CARPENTER? AYE. BETTS, SIR? AYE, AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THE CASE IS DENIED. OKAY. UM, MOVING TO [19. 21-3467 Address/Description: 821 W Commerce / 816 W Houston (Golden Star Restaurant / Whitt Print Co. Building) HDRC Case No.: 2021-217 Landmark Name: Individual Landmark Historic District Name: Cattleman Square Applicant: Patrick Christensen, Attorney at Law Request: Removal of historic landmark & district designation City Council Dist.: 5] ITEM 19. UM, SAME APPLICANT. HE'LL STAY ON THE LINE. WE, IF YOU COULD PLEASE READ THIS ITEM TO THE RECORD. YES. AGENDA NUMBER, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, CASE NUMBER 20 21 2 17 FOR THE WT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE, ALSO KNOWN AS EIGHT 16 WEST HOUSTON. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION TO REMOVE HISTORIC DESIGNATION FROM THE [01:10:01] PROPERTY AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE EIGHT 16 WEST HOUSTON GOLDEN STAR RESTAURANT AND WI PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING STAFF FINDS THAT THERE IS NO NEW OR COMPELLING EVIDENCE FOR REMOVAL OF DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY BASED ON FINDINGS B AND C STAFF IS FURTHER CONCERNED THAT REMOVAL FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WILL RESULT IN INAPPROPRIATE AND INCOMPATIBLE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE. IN THE FUTURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE REQUEST FOR REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION. AND THEN, PATRICK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO OPEN WITH YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS ONE. YES, COMMISSIONERS, AGAIN, PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, UM, YOU HEARD MY COMMENTS ON YOU ON THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, ON THIS, I, I UNDERSTAND, AND I, AND I SOMEWHAT APOLOGIZE FOR THE UN-NORMAL REQUEST HERE, BUT LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I WAS ASKED BY THE LYNN FAMILY TO HELP THEM IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN. AND ASKING TO BE REMOVED FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS, IS AN OPTION. AND, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A ZONING DESIGNATION. AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS IN THE LAST PRESENTATION MENTIONED THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. THEN LET'S LEAVE IT UP TO THE, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE CITY COUNCIL TO, TO ULTIMATELY DECIDE. I, I KNOW THIS ISN'T NORMAL. UM, I JUST, I'M TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN FOR THE LYNN FAMILY, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD SUPPORT US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. UM, YES. UM, I HAVE ONE WRITTEN COMMENT SPECIFIC TO THIS ITEM, AND THEN JUST NOTE THAT SEVERAL OF THE PREVIOUS RECORDED MESSAGES WERE ABOUT BOTH ITEMS 18 AND 19. UM, I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE GRACIELA ON THE LINE STILL. EDWARD, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WANTED TO SPEAK AGAIN ON THIS ITEM, SO PLEASE CHECK WITH HER WHILE I READ THIS COMMENT. UM, SO THIS COMES FROM PATTY ZIONS, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE REMOVAL OF LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROPOSED FOR THE FORMER WITT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE STREET. THE BUILDING IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED EVIDENCE THERE. LET'S MUTE YOU REAL QUICK. OKAY. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED EVIDENCE THAT THE STRUCTURE NO LONGER MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION AS IS REQUIRED BY U D C SECTION 35 6 0 6 G SAN ANTONIO WAS THE SITE OF THE LARGEST SPANISH LANGUAGE PUBLISHING INDUSTRY IN THE UNITED STATES. AND THIS BUILDING IS PART OF THAT IMPORTANT LEGACY. WHILE THE STRUCTURAL REPORT SHOWS NEEDED ROOF REPAIRS, THAT THERE IS, THERE APPEARS TO BE NO IMMINENT THREAT OF STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY TO THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, THUS CONCURS WITH O H B STAFF THAT THE DESIGNATION NOT BE REMOVED FROM THIS BUILDING. AND THEN, EDWARD, IF YOU'LL UNMUTE HERSELF, WE CAN SEE IF, UM, I, I, I BELIEVE WHEN GRACIE SPOKE, SHE SAID IT APPLIED TO BOTH 18 AND 19. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM BECAUSE SHE DID SIGN UP. RPI, ARE YOU THERE? YES. DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR I, WELL, JUST HAVING LISTENED TO THE CONVERSATION PREVIOUSLY, I DEFINITELY WANT TO, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PREVIOUS, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO SAY NO TO DEMOLITION. I THINK THE POWER RESTS IN MAKING SURE THAT THE DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC BUILDING AND REMAIN WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UM, WE'RE, YOU WILL SEE A COUPLE OF OTHER BUILDINGS JUST WEST OF BUILDING COMING BEFORE YOU IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS OR SO, AND THEY'RE, THIS, THEY'RE PRESENTING THE SAME THING. THEY JUST WANNA DEMOLISH THE BOOK BUILDING AND THE OTHER LITTLE BUILDING THAT WAS A HOTEL. UM, DEVELOPERS NEED TO RESPECT THE COMMUNITY. DEVELOPERS NEED TO WORK WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. THE PEARL IS A FINE EXAMPLE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, THEY BUILT THE NEW STRUCTURES AND EVEN THOSE NEW STRUCTURES WERE TO LOOK LIKE THE, THE PEARL. BUT THE PEARL BUILDINGS ITSELF WERE, WERE SAVED. SO, AND WE LOOK AT ST. PAUL'S SQUARE AREA, YOU'RE NOT SEEING ENTIRE BUILDINGS BEING RAISED. SO WHAT WE HAVE SHOULD BE PRESERVED. AND THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS A, IS SO MUCH NEED THAT WE, WE, WE DEPEND ON IT. SO PLEASE VOTE TO DENY, UH, THIS REQUEST FOR NUMBER 19. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE OUR OTHER CALLER IS STILL ON THE LINE, SIGNED UP FOR BOTH ITEMS. SO LET'S JUST CHECK, UM, S STEPHANIE, I GUESS, UH, SORRY AMELIA, DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON ITEM 19? YES, UH, UH, THE SECOND THING ABOUT IT IS, UH, THAT STRIPPING A BUILDING OF ITS DESIGNATION IS LIKE STRIPPING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. A WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE PROTECT OUR BUILDINGS, THAT THAT'S WHAT [01:15:01] IT IS. AND A GENTLEMAN APOLOGIZED EARLIER, YOU CAN'T APOLOGIZE ENOUGH OUT FOR STRIPPING SOMETHING THAT ALREADY WAS DESIGNATED. YOU COULD TALK ABOUT SAN FERNANDO, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER ONES. DO WE RESTRICT THEM ALSO? WELL, THINK ABOUT IT. IT, IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST STRIPPING IT, IT'S TAKING EVERYTHING AWAY. SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TODAY. I APPRECIATE IT. AND AGAIN, THE GENTLEMAN IS SPEAKING, I DON'T KNOW HIS NAME. UH, SEEMS TO BE NOT DOING HIS HOMEWORK BY, UH, READING THE HISTORY OF, OF THIS CITY, ESPECIALLY THE NEAR WEST SIDE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. CHRISTENSEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING OR COMMENT? YOU KNOW, I, IN RESPONSIBLE RESPONSE TO THE LAST COMMENT, I MEAN, YES, I, I DO NOT KNOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO'VE LIVED THERE THEIR WHOLE LIVES. BUT THE LYNN FAMILY HAS CERTAINLY BEEN THERE FOREVER, 80 YEARS. SO I HAVE TO, TO FOLLOW WHAT, WHAT THEY TELL ME ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THESE PROPERTIES. SO AGAIN, I JUST WOULD, UM, ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THEM AND, AND, AND SUPPORT OUR REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO COME BACK IN AGAIN. ONE MORE POINT HERE REAL FAST. GIVE US TIME. WE ALWAYS MET WITH FAMILIES, WITH APPLICANTS AS AN ASSOCIATION. WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM? WHY CAN'T WE, AS AN ASSOCIATION WHO'S A PART OF THEM, TO MEET WITH THEM AND TALK WITH THEM? BUT THIS IS GOING SO FAST THAT WE WE'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED ANY TIME TO EVEN TALK TO THE APPLICANT. SO WHAT HAPPENS THERE? SO I, WE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE TIME TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE REAL WITH THIS FAMILY. WE, WE, WE KNOW THEM IN FAMILY, WE GO EAT THERE ALL THE TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? I, I, I, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE REALLY COMPLICATED, REALLY DIFFICULT, UM, REALITIES FOR, FOR, FOR SAN ANTONIO, UH, IS THAT THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE CITY AND THE LINN FAMILY, UH, WITHOUT KNOWING THEM PERSONALLY, THAT WE HAVE SHARED IN THEIR EXPERIENCES. AND THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT WE, WE, WE ALL APPRECIATE. AND CERTAINLY THE COM COMMISSION APPRECIATES THEIR, UM, THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CITY. AND ITS, AND ITS RICH, UM, CULTURE. UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE HIGHWAY WAS THERE, YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE THE WEST SIDE IN A MUCH MORE, UH, CONTINUOUS, COHESIVE MANNER. IT WAS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL PLACE BEFORE, UH, URBAN RENEWAL AND GOD KNOWS WHY. YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF, UH, INITIATIVES THAT TAKE SO MUCH ROOT. I I LOOK AT THE EMPTY PROPERTY THAT IS EMPTY AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING. THAT, THAT MOST DEFINITELY, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE JUST HAD KIND OF AN AFFIRMATIVE, UH, UH, NOT ONLY VOTE, BUT A BUT A VIGOROUS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. AND I, I WONDER IF IT WOULDN'T BE PROACTIVE, UH, TO UPHOLD THE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THE BUILDING THAT EXISTS WHILE ENABLING THE REST OF THE PROPERTY TO BE, UM, TO, TO RECEIVE MUCH LESS REGULATION. AND, AND AT THE SAME TIME, ONE COULD SAY INSPIRE, UH, UH, LESSER RESTRICTIVE ARCHITECTURE, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO PROXIMITY TO THE UNIVERSITY, WHICH COMING OUT OF A BIT OF A, YOU KNOW, POSTMODERN, BUT DECONSTRUCTIVISTS PERIOD REPRESENTS AN ARCHITECTURE THAT HAS NO PRECEDENT IN THE AREA. UM, SO I, I, I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO TO MAYBE PROPOSE THAT, UH, AS KIND OF A, A, A MIDDLE, UH, TO THE, UH, COMMISSION, SEE WHAT THE COMMISSION THINKS ABOUT THE IDEA OF UPHOLDING THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION IN, IN THE AREA OF THE BUILDING THAT WE JUST, UH, DISCUSSED WHILE REMOVING THE DESIGNATION OF THE EMPTY PARCELS OF LAND OR THE EMPTY PARCELS OF THAT PARCEL. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN FETZER, I, [01:20:01] I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, IF WE DE DESIGNATED A PART OF THIS BLOCK, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN, AN AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ENTIRE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WOULD NOT BE IN THE DISTRICT. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO REMOVE PART OF THE DESIGNATION ON, OR DESIGNATION ON PART OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. CHAIRMAN, YES. UM, YEAH, I TOTALLY, UM, CONCUR WITH THAT STATEMENT. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I HAVE GREAT HESITANCY TO START SWISS CHEESING, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, IT IS DOWNTOWN DESIGNATION THAT GIVES PLENTY OF LATITUDE FOR WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT CAN TAKE PLACE THERE, UH, STYLISTIC AND, UH, USE WISE. UH, BUT SINCE IT IS AT THE HEART OF THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT PUT UP THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO TO OUR MAP. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S OKAY. UM, I, I JUST, I WOULD OPPOSE, UH, THE SELECTIVE REMOVAL OF THIS, JUST LIKE I OPPOSED THE SPRINKLING OF DESIGNATIONS OF, OF, OF, UH, STRUCTURES AROUND THE CITY WHEN REALLY THEY SHOULD BE PART OF A COORDINATED, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION. SO I I I, I COULDN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT SORT OF PIECEMEAL THIS IN A WAY, UH, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STAFF. IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT UP THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE BOUNDARY? OKAY. AND IF YOU COULD POINT TO ABOUT WHERE THIS BLOCK IS, IF POSSIBLE. IT'S TO THE, IT'S TO THE RIGHT OF THERE. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE AREA. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S BASICALLY IN THE HEART OF THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. YEAH. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIRMAN? COMMISSIONER? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. MR. THIS IS COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. UH, I, I CONCUR, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ON THIS. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UH, TO CONSIDER, UH, REVISIONS TO THE BOUNDARIES, UH, TO THE DISTRICT AT THIS TIME. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR A, A RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHICH AFFIRMS THE DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT DESIGNATION. I'M SORRY. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DENIAL. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF REMOVAL OF LANDMARK AND DISTRICT DESIGNATION. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND SECOND, FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? NUNEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. QUEZ AYE. ZOOMER AYE. CARPENTER AYE. ET AYE. . AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. OKAY. ITEM 20. [20. 21-3403 Address/Description: 1419 W ROSEWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-196 Historic District Name: Keystone Park Applicant: Lionel Contreras/CONTRERAS LIONEL & ISMAEL G HERNANDEZ Request: Solar screen installation City Council Dist.: 1] RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? HAVE MACHINE MAKING A NOISE? YES, I AM. KNOW THAT THE BUZZING AGENDA ITEM 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 1 96 14 19 WEST ROSEWOOD, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SOLAR SCREENS OVER THE EXISTING WINDOWS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF WINDOW SCREEN INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE SCREENS BE FULLY WOOD IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM AND FEATURE A TINT THAT CLOSELY MATCHES THOSE USED HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED PRODUCT SPECIFICATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER, LEO, IS ON THE LINE. LEO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME? GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I WAS JUST, UM, HAPPY TO BE HERE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE ARE LOOKING INTO INSTALLING SOLAR SCREENS AND WE'RE IN A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING, A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF THE SPECIFICATIONS AND THE ALTERNATE SUGGESTIONS. SO THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY BE WOOD AND NOT ALUMINUM? YES. [01:25:02] OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH? YES, SIR. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT, UH, UM, CONCURS WITH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS, IS EVERYTHING, UH, OKAY HERE WITH STIPULATION ONE OR IS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC WE NEED TO ADDRESS? RACHEL, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN. I THINK THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MISCOMMUNICATION. UM, I, I DON'T THINK WE KNEW UNTIL NOW THAT THE APPLICANT WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SO, OKAY. WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE APPROVED, UM, WOULD JUST BE A TRADITIONAL WINDOW SCREEN, BUT THE ACTUAL, UM, UH, TYPE OF SCREEN MATERIAL WOULD PROBABLY THAT DARKER, THAT'S ABLE TO BLOCK A LITTLE MORE SUNLIGHT. UNDERSTOOD. UH, WITH THAT, WITH THAT, UH, I, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION. IS THIS COMMISSIONER FERNANDES? I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE FISH? AYE. RASQUEZ. AYE. SUE MORRAN? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. THAT AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE [21. 21-3415 Address/Description: 1901 N NEW BRAUNFELS AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-195 Historic District Name: Government Hill Applicant: Kent Niemann/GOVERNMENT HILL SQUARE PROPERTIES LP Request: New building tile installation and replacement of building tile City Council Dist.: 2] A RECUSAL FOR ITEM 21. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF YOU WILL TURN OFF YOUR CAMERA FOR THIS ONE. UM, GO AHEAD, EDWARD. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 95 19 0 1 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL NEW WACO TILE AT 1901 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS IN LOCATIONS WHERE THE HISTORIC TILES STILL EXIST. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO INSTALL THE NEW TILE ON TOP OF THE EXISTING TO, TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING IN PLACE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF NEW TILE WHILE WHERE A TILE CURRENTLY DOES NOT EXIST OR A NON-ORIGINAL TILE IS LOCATED. HOWEVER, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF NEW TILE ON TOP OF THE EXISTING ORIGINAL TILE. I HAVE PAM CARPENTER ON THE LINE WHO IS REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT. HELLO, EDWARD? WHILE THE YES, GO AHEAD. OKAY. WHILE THE GUIDELINES DISCOURAGED THE CONCEALMENT OR DIMINISHMENT OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC AFTER 110 YEARS OF PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THE CHAMPED ENTRY DOORS AND WALKING ALONG THE STOREFRONT HERE ON NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS, THE TILE IS AT ITS END OF ITS SERVICEABLE LIFE. UM, IT'S DETERIORATED DUE TO GROUND LEVEL IMPACTS WEATHERING AND DELIBERATE VANDALISM. THERE ARE, THERE ARE NUMEROUS HAIRLINE FRACTURES IN ADDITION TO AREAS OF CRACK TILE PAINTED PANELS MISSING UNITS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR CASE PACKET, THERE ARE ALSO AREAS OF INAPPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT MATERIALS THAT DON'T MATCH THE HISTORIC AND SOME KIND OF STUCCO SCORING TECHNIQUE THAT WAS USED BY PREVIOUS OWNERS TO REPLICATE THE TILE LOOK IN REPAIR EFFORTS. AND THESE PREVIOUS EFFORTS RESULT IN A VERY INCONSISTENT HODGEPODGE LOOK. AND, UM, WELL-WORN APPEARANCE. THE CURRENT OWNER ATTEMPTED A TEST CLEANING, UM, AND IT REVEALED AREAS OF DAMAGE TO THE TILES GLAZED FINISH DUE TO PREVIOUS INAPPROPRIATE CLEANING METHODS BY A PATH DONOR. SO, UM, THE TREATMENT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO RETAIN THE TILE IN PLACE AND GO OVER IT WITH THE REPLACEMENT TILE. VERY SIMILAR IN SIZE, COLOR, AND TEXTURE TO THE ORIGINAL TILE. UM, THIS IS A TREATMENT THAT WAS, UM, THAT RECEIVED H T R C APPROVAL, UM, FOR THE HISTORIC PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET TO THE SOUTH AT 1829. NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS. AS YOU CAN SEE IN SLIDE SIX, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, SOMETHING SIMILAR. UM, THIS WAS TAKEN AT THAT BUILDING WHERE MOST OF THE CONDITIONS WERE WERE SIMILAR AND THE TILE WAS ALL PAINTED OVER AND WE TRIED TO CLEAN IN THAT AREA AS WELL WITH, UM, WITH NO SUCCESS. SO, UM, THE OWNER WOULD PREFER TO APPLY THIS TILE, THE NEW SUBWAY TILE TO ALL OF THE TILE BAYS, UM, ALONG CARSON AND NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS STREET. BOTH, UM, AFTER SOME DISCUSSION THOUGH WITH O H P STAFF AND THE OWNER, THE OWNER'S IN AGREEMENT TO RETAIN AND REPAIRS NEEDED THE TILE PANELS ALONG CARSON STREET AS THESE ARE IN, IN THE BETTER CONDITION OF, OF THE OTHER THREE FACES, AND, UM, ONLY APPLIED AS TREATMENT ALONG THE SANFORD MAIN ENTRANCE AT THE CORNER AND THE NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS STREET FACADE TO ACHIEVE A CONSISTENT APPEARANCE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE BUILDING'S ORIGINAL HISTORIC CHARACTER AND THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET. WE THINK THIS IS AN [01:30:01] IMPORTANT REHABILITATION PROPOSAL. NORTHVIEW BRAUNFELS SERVES AS A GATEWAY OF GOVERNMENT, HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE SOUTH ENTRANCE TO FORT SAM HOUSTON. AND WE THINK THIS APPROACH, UH, TO BE REASONABLE COMPROMISE THAT PERMITS FUTURE INVESTIGATORS TO HAVE VISUAL CONFIRMATION AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE HISTORIC TILE APPEARED LIKE FROM THOSE PANELS RETAINED ON CARSON AND GENERALLY IMPROVING THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF, UM, CONSISTENT REFRESHED APPEARANCE. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, DO WE, COREY? WE DO NOT. OKAY. IF YOU COULD PULL UP SLIDE FIVE, WHICH IS THE PLAN N AND MS. CARPENTER, IF YOU COULD, AGAIN, CLARIFY WHAT THE OWNER AND DESIGNERS HAVE, UM, DISCUSS WITH O H P STAFF AS WHERE THE TILE WOULD GO, THE NEW TILE WOULD GO, AND WHAT PORTIONS WOULD REMAIN RESTORED. SURE. SO IT WOULD BE BUILDING C IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND WHAT WOULD REMAIN WOULD BE, UH, CARSON STREET WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING CONCRETE SIDEWALK TO, TO THE LEFT, RIGHT THERE, UM, FACING CARSON STREET AND WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE REFRESHED OR, OR, UM, RETILED IS THE CORNER THAT STANFORD 45 ANGLE AT CARSON AND NEW BRAUNFELS, AS WELL AS THE FACADE ALONG NEW BRAUNFELS WHERE IT SAYS 1901 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS STREET. AND THAT WOULD BE SLIDE SEVEN. SLIDE SEVEN IS A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED, UH, REHABILITATION AND REFRESH OF THE TILE. AND THAT WOULD BE IN KEEPING, IF YOU CROSSED THE STREET TO THE LEFT, THAT WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH WHAT OCCURRED. UM, AND THE REHABILITATION LAST YEAR OF 1829 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS. SLIDE SIX IS THE IMAGE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. FINISHED AND SLIDE CARSON STREET. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A SLIDE. YES, THERE IS, THERE IS A SLIDE OF CARSON STREET. UM, I THINK THAT IS ACTUALLY, I THINK I CAN, UM, I CAN, I CAN JUMP IN IF, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. UH, SO, UM, ON CAR, THE PHOTOS OR THE EXAMPLE OF THE TILE THAT'S ON CARSON STREET. BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. LET ME SCROLL DOWN. SO WHILE EDWARD'S LOOKING FOR THIS, UH, MS. CARPENTER, THE WALLS, THE WAINS COAT ON NEW BRAUNFELS, IS THAT ALL STUCCO OR ARE THERE SOME SECTIONS OF ORIGINAL TILE ON THAT ELEVATION AS WELL? UM, IT'S SORT OF A MISHMASH. SO THERE'S SOME ORIGINAL TILE, UM, THAT'S PRETTY DETERIORATED. IT'S GOT SOME CRACKING AND DELAMINATION AND, UM, THERE'S SOME STUCCO WHERE THE TILE WAS REMOVED AND THE STUCCO, UM, WAS, WAS INSTALLED TO SORT OF TAKE THE PLACE OF THE TILE THERE. AND IT WAS SCORED KIND OF IN THIS FAUX PATTERN. UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TREATMENTS TO THE HISTORIC TILE. SOME OF IT WAS PAINTED. UM, BUT IN THAT, IF, UM, I CAN, IF PAM, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN, UH, GO THROUGH THE PHOTOS. UM, IF WE CAN, LAUREN, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PAGE 16. THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE TILE THAT'S ON EAST CARSON STREET. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST OF THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE WHERE THE CHAMFORD ANGLE IS. UM, MOVING UP TO, UH, PHOTO 15, THIS IS TILE THAT'S LOCATED ALONG, UH, NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS. UM, PHOTO 14, THIS IS TILE AT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE, PHOTO 13. THIS IS ONE OF THE ENTRANCE BAYS THAT'S ALONG NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS WHERE THE ORIGINAL TILE'S BEEN REMOVED. AND THERE'S BEEN THIS PHOTO TILE OR A, A PLASTER THAT'S BEEN SCORED THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED. UM, PAGE 12. THIS IS ANOTHER, UH, ENTRANCE BAY ON NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS WHERE THERE'S JUST PLASTER WHERE THE TILE HAS BEEN REMOVED. UM, [01:35:01] LIKEWISE, PAGE 11. THIS IS AN ENTRANCE BAY ON NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS WHERE THERE'S ORIGINAL TILE, UM, TO THE LEFT AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE TILE THAT'S ORIGINAL TO THE RIGHT OF THE, THE ENTRANCE DOORS. UM, UP ONE MORE PAGE. UH, THIS IS THE FLANKING, WELL, THE NEXT BAY DOWN, UH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO ORIGINAL TILE THAT REMAINS. UM, AND THEN PAGE, UM, OR NUMBER NINE. UM, THIS IS THE, UH, PRIMARY ENTRANCE, UH, THAT'S THE CHAFER THAT'S AT, UH, THE CORNER OF CARSON AND NEW BRONCOS, UH, WHERE YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE, WHERE TILE HAS BEEN CRACKED AND DAMAGED. UH, AND THEN UP ABOVE, UH, PAGE EIGHT, UH, YOU CAN SEE IN EACH OF THE ENTRANCE BAYS JUST FROM A, A VIEW FROM ACROSS THE STREET. UM, AND THEN PAGE SEVEN, UH, JUST A SLIGHT BETTER VIEW THAT SHOWS THE CONTEXT AT THE CORNER, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE TWO BAYS THAT FOLLOW. SO, UM, MAYBE THAT'S HELPFUL. YES, THANK YOU, EDWARD. THANK YOU, MR. YES, YES SIR. MR. FISH. UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, IS IT, IS THE ASSESSMENT THAT THE TILE ALONG CARSON IS, IS THE KIND OF THE BEST PRESERVED, UM, ALONG THAT STREET FACE? IT HAS, IT'S OBVIOUSLY SHOWN A LOT OF AGE THROUGH THE DECADES, AND THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE IT AS WELL TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENT, UM, 270 DEGREE, YOU KNOW, REPLACEMENT. BUT COMMENTED ON, ON THE, UM, THE DENIALS OR THE, NOT THE DENIAL, BUT THEY, THEY WOULD PREFER THAT THE OWNER RETAIN, THE OWNER IS WILLING TO, UH, RETAIN THE CAR SIDE FOR THE HISTORIC NARRATIVE. WELL, I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU DESCRIBED THERE IS KIND OF A, A COMBINATION EFFECT, UH, WHERE THERE'S KIND OF THE MORE, MORE INTACT AREA OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF, UM, REPAIR AND REFURBISHMENT ALONG CARSON. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT, TO WHAT EXTENT DOES THERE, DOES THAT REPAIR AND REFURBISHMENT ACTUALLY REQUIRE REPLACEMENT, UH, WITHIN THE PLANE OF THE EXISTING TILE? UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S SLIDE 16, RIGHT? EDWARD? IS THAT, THAT'S CARSON STREET. SORRY, I WAS MUTED. YES. SLIDE 16 IS, UH, A, A PORTION OF THE TILE ON CARSON STREET. UM, UM, FROM A STAFF SITE VISIT, IT CERTAINLY APPEARED THAT CARSON STREET WAS, OR THE CARSON FACADE I SHOULD SAY, UM, WAS THE LOCATION ON THE STRUCTURE TO WHERE THE ORIGINAL TILE WAS MOST WHOLESOMELY REPRESENTED. UM, AND APPEARED TO GENERALLY BE THE MOST THAT WAS INTACT. UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS, UH, A PORTION WHERE GRAFFITI HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY REMOVED. UM, BUT, UM, AS FAR AS CHIPS AND CRACKS AND FRACTURES IN TILE, THE, THE CARAC SIDE LOOKED TO BE THAT WHICH WAS MOST INTACT WITH NO, UH, SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS OR INAPPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT. UM, THAT'S SEEN ON NEW BRAUNFELS. RIGHT. I WOULD ADD THAT THE CARSON FACADE, IT HAS THE MOST WHOLE INTACT PANELS, BUT AESTHETICALLY, VISUALLY, UM, IT, IT'S VERY, IT LOOKS TIRED AND THE EFFORTS TO CLEAN IT HAVE, HAVE NOT, UH, BEEN SUCCESSFUL. MI MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER VE YES, SIR. YES SIR. IT, IT, IT APPEARS, YOU KNOW, TO BE A, A FAIRLY SIMPLE, UH, SITUATION, AT LEAST WITH RESPECT TO CASES THAT WE GET. IT'S LIKE, OF THE SIMPLEST, IT SEEMS THAT THAT, UM, STAFF'S DISCRETION IS PROBABLY ALL THAT'S NEEDED. I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF , UH, THE STAFF IS VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING IS DONE, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO PUTTING TILE ON TOP OF TILE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S TIME TO REDO. I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S AREAS THAT HAVE TO BE REDONE AND, AND AREAS THAT, THAT KINDA SHOW THE SIGNS OF AGE, BUT THAT ARE, THAT ARE THAT, THAT HAVE THE INTEGRITY OF TILE THE WAY THAT A TILE SHOULD SIT. I MEAN THAT'S PART OF HAVING OUR WHOLE BUILDING TOO, RIGHT? HAVING THE ORIGINAL. SO YOUR MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? EXACTLY. [01:40:01] OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND JUST TO, I SECOND, JUST TO CLARIFY, HIS RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO ONLY INSTALL NEW TILE WHERE THERE'S NO TILE THERE OR THE ORIGINAL TILE DOES NOT EXIST? I I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT FOR OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. GOTCHA. I UNDERSTAND WE, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. I, I'M, I'M MORE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. I THINK IT, IT WAS A REASONABLE REQUEST TO, UH, REPAIR, UH, ALONG CARSON AND, AND ALLOW FOR A NEW TILE OVER OVERLAY IN AREAS THAT HAVE MIXED TILE ON NEW BRAUNFELS AND AT THE, AT THE ENTRANCE. SO I WON'T ENTRANCE, SO I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. ALRIGHT. I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE REALLY TRULY SEEKING. UH, IF I COULD ASK COMMISSIONER, UH, FISH, UH, OKAY, COMMISSIONER, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S JUST GOING OVER MY HEAD. I, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAST PART OF WHAT, WHAT YOUR, YOUR, UM, YOUR COMMENTS ARE. SO, SO THE, THERE THERE ARE, HIS, THERE ARE AREAS OF TILE ALONG NORTH NEW BRONZEVILLE MM-HMM. THAT'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT NEW TILE, THE TILE ONLY BE APPLIED IN AREAS WHERE, WHERE NON-ORIGINAL TILE IS LOCATED. AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST. UM, ALONG BRONZEVILLE, THERE'S A MIX OF EXISTING TILE ON SOME SIDES OF A DOOR, UH, SCORED STUCCO ON ANOTHER SIDES OF THE DOOR, STUCCO SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, SO PERHAPS I'M MISUNDERSTANDING SOMETHING HERE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE MOTION, UH, AS STATED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. THAT IS CORRECT OF THE STAFF IS DENYING ALL AND OUR REQUEST IN WHAT OUR COMPROMISE AFTER TALKING WITH STAFF HOPEFULLY IS IS THAT THE CARSON TILE THAT'S ORIGINAL WOULD REMAIN AND THE CHAMFORD AND NEW BRAUNFELS FACADE TILE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE, UM, COVERED WITH NEW SIMILAR, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE KIND OF PART THAT, THAT I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE COVERED, I MEAN IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO FIX WHAT IS, I MEAN I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT SOMEBODY COULD PEEL IT BACK AND SEE WHAT WAS THERE AND ALL OF THAT, BUT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO GET THE FACADES, THE TILE FACADES RESTORED AND USING THE WORD RESTORED, RIGHT RESTORED, NOT, NOT COVERED UP FOR, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S JUST, THAT JUST IMPLIES THAT SOMEONE LATER ON IS GONNA HAVE TO DO IT. WE LOOKED AT RESTORATION OPTIONS, UM, FOR THE PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THE CLEANING WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL AND SO THE TILE WAS PRESERVED. THE ORIGINAL TILE IS, IS STILL THERE, UM, IN, IN THE BACKGROUND AND THE NEW TILE THAT WAS VERY MUCH, UM, IN KEEPING AND MATCHING AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING WAS INSTALLED . OKAY. WE DO HAVE A, A MO MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND A SECOND, UM, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ NAY FISH, NAY QUEZ AYE. ZUMA RUN NAYYY CARPENTER. OH IT IS CUS I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. UM, PATZER AYE AYE. UM, IT'S A SPLIT VOTE. MOTION DOES NOT PASS. MOTION DOES NOT PASS. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MR. CHAIR? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES SIR. UH, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE, THE REPAIR AND REFURBISHMENT OF THE HISTORIC TILE ALONG CARSON AND ALLOW FOR NEW TILE TO BE, UH, INSTALLED IN A MANNER WHICH PRESERVES THE HISTORIC, THE EXIT AND HISTORIC TILE BENEATH, UH, AT THE SANFORD ENTRY AND ALONG NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. [01:45:01] FERNANDEZ AYE. FISH? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. NAYYY ERON. AYE. UH, ZER NAYYY UNE NAYYY SPLIT VOTE. VOTE. UM, SO I WILL JUST NOTE IF WE ARE UNABLE TO PASS A MOTION TODAY, UM, THE ITEM IS AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUED TO THE NEXT HEARING. WELL ONE SUGGESTION MIGHT BE TO SEND THIS TO A SITE D R C SO THAT COMMISSIONERS CAN GET A EYES ON. UH, CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES SIR. I WOULD MOVE THIS TO A SITE VISIT. D R C I'LL, I'LL SECOND VELASQUEZ. YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? EZ AYE. FISH? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AYE. ZU MORRAN. AYE. BUTZER AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UM, AND JUST NOTE AGAIN, ITEM 22 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. SO THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 23. [23. 21-3447 Address/Description: 506 E PARK AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-179 Historic District Name: Tobin Hill Applicant: Erin Camp/CAMP ERIN & COPPOLA KEVIN Request: Driveway and front walkway modifications City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 1 79 5 0 6 EAST PARK. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO REMOVE THE FRONT PARKING PAD AND TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING BRICK FRONT WALKWAY WITH CONCRETE PAVERS. ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PARKING PAD REMOVAL BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN AN UPDATED MEASURED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION AND ANY PROPOSED LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONCRETE PAVER INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING. C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIRS AND REPLACES THE EXISTING BRICK WALKWAY WITH IN KIND MATERIAL OR INSTALLS A FULLY CONCRETE WALKWAY TO MATCH THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND THE APPLICANT AND OWNER AARON CAMP IS ON THE LINE. AARON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO. HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? UH, THANK YOU SO . UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING TO LISTENING TO ME AND ALLOWING ME TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS. UM, SO I KIND OF WANTED TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME MISUNDERSTANDING. UM, WE DO NOT INTEND ON CHANGING THE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION. UM, THAT EXTRA PAD IS NEEDED. OUR STREET, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE DRIVEN DOWN EAST PARK, UM, BUT IT'S INCREDIBLY NARROW, SO WE'RE GOING TO END UP HAVING TO KEEP THAT EXTRA PAD, UM, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. HOWEVER, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE WANNA DO THESE PAVERS. UM, SO OUR HOUSE IS, UM, ACTUALLY OLDER THAN INDICATED IN THIS REPORT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WORKS FOR ME OR AGAINST ME, BUT, UM, IT'S, IT WAS BUILT IN 1910. UM, IT'S PRETTY OLD. WE'VE ACTUALLY MET THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, UM, AND WE'VE TALKED WITH HER A LOT ABOUT OUR PLANS AND THEY'RE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ANYWAYS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF, UM, SHRUBS THAT RAN ALONGSIDE THIS PATHWAY THAT WAS BRICK. UM, AND AS MANY THINGS DID, AS YOU CAN TELL BY THAT TREE THAT'S STILL STANDING, UM, EV EVERYTHING IN OUR FRONT YARD PRETTY MUCH DIED DURING THE FREEZE. UM, AND SORT OF EXPEDITED OUR PLAN TO OPEN UP OUR YARD AGAIN SO THAT YOU COULD REALLY SEE AND ADMIRE THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE FROM THE STREET. UM, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE BUT IT USED BEFORE WE HAD TO REMOVE THE SHRUBS THAT DIED. YOU ACTUALLY COULDN'T TELL WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE LOOKED LIKE AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN TELL THAT THAT FRONT PORCH WAS SO DEEP, ALL THESE CRAFTSMEN AS ASPECTS UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY STOOD ON THE PORCH. THERE WERE SO MANY TIMES WHEN WE'VE HAD PEOPLE OVER AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THEY WERE LIKE ENTERING THE DOOR WHERE THEY WERE LIKE, WOW, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THE PORCH WAS LIKE THIS. THIS IS INCREDIBLE. UM, SINCE I THINK THE 1950S, UM, THIS APARTMENT BEFORE WE PURCHASED, IT WAS USED AS AN, THIS HOUSE WAS USED AS AN APARTMENT BEFORE WE PURCHASED IT. SO IT WAS CONVERTED AFTER, SOLD FROM THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, UH, FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO A TRIPLEX. AND IT WAS THEN USED LIKE AS AN APARTMENT EVER SINCE. UM, IT WAS AN AIRBNB WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. SO WE BOUGHT IT. AND AS OWNERS OF THIS HOUSE, WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE FACT THAT IT'S HISTORICAL AND WE REALLY ARE WORKING VERY HARD IN EVERY RESTORATION EFFORT WE MAKE TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY. [01:50:02] UM, SO ANYWAYS, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE, IT'S ACTUALLY COINCIDENTALLY ON THE SCREEN, UM, THE, THE WALKWAY THAT WAS THERE, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY BRICKS THAT WAS PLACED ON TOP OF WHAT WAS A SOLID CONCRETE PATHWAY THAT HAD BEEN MOVED FROM ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION AT THE CENTER OF THOSE STAIRS OVER TO THE LEFT TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PARKING PAD, ADDITIONAL PARKING PAD. THEY THEN PUT SOME GRASS THERE AND I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY HAD TO COME BEFORE YOU GUYS BACK IN THE DAY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T PAVE OVER. WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL REDUCE HOW MUCH WE'RE PAVING OVER, RIGHT? WE'LL TRY TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE FRONT LAWN AS POSSIBLE. SO THEY ACTUALLY MOVED THIS PATHWAY OVER AND THEN THEY PUT THESE SHRUBS THAT WERE VERY OVERGROWN ALONG THE PATHWAY, MAKING THE PATHWAY MORE NARROW AND OVER TO THE LEFT FROM WHERE IT ORIGINALLY SAT. AND I WISH I COULD HAVE, UM, SUBMITTED ORIGINAL PICTURES OF THE HOUSE 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE THEM, BUT I, UM, WAS SENT THEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS TOO LATE TO SUBMIT IT FOR THIS HEARING. ANYWAYS, WE, AS I SAID, THE STREET IS REALLY NARROW, SO WE NEED TO FIND A CREATIVE WAY TO EXPAND THE WALKWAY SO THAT THE CENTER OF THE WALKWAY MEETS WHERE THE CENTER OF THE WALKWAY HISTORICALLY WAS, WHICH IS AT THE CENTER POINT OF THE STAIRS. UM, IF YOU ACTUALLY SCROLL DOWN TO ONE OF THE PICTURES WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT FROM WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON THE PORCH, UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S NOT CENTERED AND IT ALSO KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW IT HISTORICALLY LOOKED. UM, THE, THE IDEA OF THIS WALKWAY AND OF THE ORIGINAL WALKWAY IS THAT YOU STOOD AND YOU, YOU KNOW, IT WAS OPEN AND THAT YOU COULD SEE ALL OF THE ARCHITECTURE. UM, BUT THE WAY IT IS NOW, AND IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO BLOCK THE ARCHITECTURE AND NOT REALLY SHOW, SHOW EVERYTHING OFF. IT WOULDN'T REALLY OPEN THINGS UP THE SAME WAY. UM, BECAUSE IF WE WANNA MOVE IT OVER, YOU KNOW, TO MEET THE CENTER POINT, SO THE CENTER POINT WINDS UP, IF WE WERE TO PUT A SOLID, UH, CEMENT SIDEWALK, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY, I MEAN, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WE HAD, I MEAN THAT ENTIRE TWO THIRDS ALMOST OF OUR FRONT YARD WOULD BE PAVED OVER. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID AND THAT'S WHY WE WANNA PUT PAVERS IN THERE INSTEAD OF JUST A STRAIGHT UP CONCRETE WALKWAY. UM, THE BRICKS WERE DETERIORATING, THE BRICKS ARE NOT ORIGINAL HISTORICALLY AND ORIGINALLY IT WAS CONCRETE THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND WE EITHER WANNA PUT GRASS IN BETWEEN THESE PAVERS, UM, OR GRAVEL THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE HERE NOW, UM, YOU CAN SEE OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE THIS LIKE PINK GRANITE, GRAVEL. WE WOULD MATCH THAT SO IT WOULD ALL LINE UP WITH WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING. UM, AND YOU KNOW, REALLY OUR, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO SHOW OFF THE ARCHITECTURE BETTER. NOW THIS PICTURE IS WHAT WAS ON THE LISTING, SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT BETTER, UM, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE THAN WHAT IT REALLY, THAN WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN PERSON. BUT I MEAN REALLY IT THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE AND IF WE WERE TO GO ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, I MEAN IT JUST, IT WOULDN'T REALLY HONOR THE INTEGRITY OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE THE SAME WAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE REMOVING THE REQUEST TO DEMOLISH THE PARKING PAD, CORRECT? CORRECT. I, WE, UM, MAY HAVE TO LIMIT DOWN SOME, BUT WE STILL WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE PARKING PAD BECAUSE OUR STREET IS SO NARROW THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE, IF BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET PUT ALL THEIR TRASH CANS OUT, OR ON RECYCLING DAY WHEN IT'S THE GREEN BIN AND THE BLUE BIN, ONLY ONE CAR CAN REALLY FIT DOWN THE STREET AT A TIME. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO IT'S AN INCREDIBLY NARROW STREET. THANKS. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION AS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. UH, THANK YOU. UM, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SENSITIVITY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE, UH, PLANTING AS IT WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY WAS NOT, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS, WAS BENEFICIAL TO THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. IT JUST, IT'S ODD TO HAVE IT AS THIS SORT OF VEGETATIVE WALL RUNNING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD LIKE THAT. SO I, I SUPPORT THEIR, [01:55:01] THEIR INSTINCTS AND DESIRE TO SORT OF CLEAN THAT UP AND ALLOW, UH, BETTER VISIBILITY OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT WONDERFUL, UH, WRAPPING PORCH. UM, I, HOWEVER, I THINK, UM, THE SOLUTION FOR THE APPROACH WALK NEEDS TO BE AN INTEGRATED ONE WITH THE, THE PARKING, UH, PAD AS WELL. UM, 'CAUSE OTHERWISE I THINK YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH IT LOOKING A LITTLE PIECEMEAL. UM, THE, THE PROPOSAL OF THE, THE CONCRETE, UH, BANDS, UH, SEEMS TO BE A, A VERY CONTEMPORARY KIND OF LANGUAGE THAT'S VERY TRENDY AND, AND POPULAR RIGHT NOW. UM, PARTICULARLY WITH, UH, URBAN INFILL PROJECTS. I I DON'T THINK IT'S QUITE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CHARACTER OF THIS HOUSE, BUT I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HEAR FROM OUR, UH, RESIDENT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON THE, ON THE COMMISSION TO SEE IF HE COULD HELP MAYBE GIVE, UH, SOME ADVICE ON HOW THIS APPLICANT SHOULD, SHOULD PROCEED. CHAIRMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER UNE? YES, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I DON'T THINK THE INDIVIDUAL BLOCK CONCRETE BLOCKS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR THIS STYLE HOUSE. UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXISTING CONCRETE PAD. UH, FIRST THE APPLICANT HAD APPLIED TO REMOVE IT AND NOW SHE'S SAYING SHE MAY WANNA REDUCE THE SIZE OF IT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT REDUCTION WOULD BE. UM, SO I I THINK MAYBE A REVISED SITE PLAN MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE APPROACH TO REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT. SO, UM, I JUST, NOT TO INTERRUPT AND, AND I CAN DO THAT. I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, SO THE ORIGINAL WALKWAY AND THE WAY HISTORICALLY THESE WALKWAYS SHOULD LINE UP IS THEY SHOULD BE THE, THEY SHOULD AT LEAST START OUT AS THE WIDTH OF THE STAIRS. SO THEY MOVED THE PA, THEY MOVED THE WALKWAY OVER TO THE LEFT. YOU CAN TELL THE GRASS ON THAT RIGHT PART IS DIFFERENT THAN THE GRASS ON THE LEFT THAT'S NEW. THE BRICKS, EVERYTHING WAS, WERE ONLY INSTALLED IN LIKE 2016. UM, THE ACTUAL DRIVEWAY, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE, THE PARKING PAD OVERLAPS WITH THE STAIRS. UM, AND THAT PREVENTS US FROM HAVING A WALKWAY THAT IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE AND MATCHES THE WIDTH OF THE STAIRS. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE PAVERS BEING SOMETHING NEW AND TRENDY, BUT THAT IS, UM, AND I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PEOPLE AND I HAVE FRIENDS IN, UM, DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE AND I'VE BEEN KIND OF TALKING TO, UH, TO THEM ABOUT A SOLUTION, YOU KNOW, HOW TO NOT LOSE THAT PARKING SPOT, BUT HOW TO STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN INAPPROPRIATE WALKWAY THAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE STAIRS, BUT THEN NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE A SOLID CONCRETE WALKWAY THAT A BUTTS UP TO THAT SOLID CONCRETE PARKING SPOT. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MAKE IT FROM THE VERY LEFT PART OF THE WALKWAY ALL THE WAY OVER TO THAT OUR NEIGHBOR'S WROUGHT IRON BEDS WOULD ALL BE SOLID CONCRETE. UM, THIS IS, UH, THIS COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, I DON'T WANNA MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT, THAT MAYBE YOU ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE ON YOUR, ON YOUR CASE. THI THIS IS A VERY, REALLY A VERY SIMPLE PRESENTATION THAT CAN BE DONE WITH A TWO DIMENSIONAL SITE PLAN. THERE'S NOT EVEN AN ELEVATION THAT YOU NEED, BUT THAT REALLY, I THINK THAT IF, IF YOU, UH, JUST PUT IT IN A FLAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN AND BRING THOSE HISTORIC PICTURES WITH YOU, THAT WELL, I MEAN IF THAT'S AS IF, IF THAT'S ABOUT AS GOOD AS AS YOU CAN DRAW, I MEAN AS, AS THE DRAWING CAN BE, THEN I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. BUT IF YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT OR, OR, OR HAVE ACCESS TO GET A BETTER SITE PLAN, IT, I THINK, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND BUT TO, TO REALLY DO IT WITHOUT A SIDE PLAN, IT IS KIND OF LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOUR COMMITMENT IS. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS WHAT ENTERS THE RECORD AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE DRAWING, RIGHT? I MEAN THE SITE PLAN OR THE, THE HAND DRAWN ON THE GRID THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR PLAN. I I I I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SOME OF THE COMMENTS LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE CONTEMPORARY LAYOUT OF THE, OF THE STAIRS. I I I MEAN OF THE, UH, OF THE WALKWAY NOT RELATED TO YOUR PROJECT, BUT VERY SIMILAR LOOK, THERE ARE AREAS IN TOWN THAT HAVE THESE RIBBON DRIVEWAYS, RIGHT? WHERE IT'S JUST A TWO, TWO LINES AND YOU DRIVE YOUR CAR ON THESE RIBBONS AND IT'S, AND IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE, UH, REALLY MOST FRUSTRATING SITUATIONS IS THAT IT, IT'S NOT EVEN [02:00:01] RELEVANT NECESSARILY TO VEHICLES TODAY. RIGHT? BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WHEN IT COMES BEFORE THE H D R C IS UP UPHELD, SO THIS IS A WALKWAY, RIGHT? THE WAY THAT YOU'RE BREAKING UP THE WALKWAY, I'VE NEVER SEEN, UH, AN APPLICANT COME BEFORE COMMISSION FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF A WALKWAY LIKE THIS THAT GETS APPROVED BECAUSE IT JUST WOULDN'T SHOW UP IN, IN, IN THAT PERIOD OF, OF, OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT. SO JUST IN THAT, THAT THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE HOUSE THAT WOULDN'T SHOW UP . NO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I THINK IF YOU TAKE, IF YOU TAKE YOUR TIME AND GO DO, JUST GO, JUST TAKE A CONTINUOUS 'CAUSE IT'S OF, OF IT, IT HAS NO CONSEQUENCE TO YOU NECESSARILY OFFERS YOU THE EXTRA OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE COMMENTS AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND THEN BRING IT BEFORE COMMISSION SO THAT YOU CAN GET TO WORK ON WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT DONE. IT'S A SUGGESTION, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE I UNDERSTAND. AND WE, WE'LL FILE WITH COMMISSIONER. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, STAFF. CAN YOU, THE APPLICANT HAS MENTIONED THAT THE BRICK, UH, WALKWAY WAS INSTALLED RECENTLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. YES. DO WE HAVE ANY RECORD OF THAT? WAS THAT APPROVED? I DON'T BELIEVE, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR OUR STAFF, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THIS IS RACHEL. UM, FROM O H P STAFF. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. OH, SORRY. WALKWAY HAS BEEN APPROVED. THAT'S OKAY. UM, WAS APPROVED POST 2015, UM, BUT STAFF CAN CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS THE CASE. UM, AND THERE ARE PROPERTIES NEARBY, ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY THAT DO HAVE BRICK WALKWAYS AS WELL. SO IT'S KIND OF COMMON ALONG THE STREETSCAPE. THANK YOU. YEAH, THERE'S ONE ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAS BRICK ONE. YES. UM, IF YOU WOULD PULL UP PHOTO 16 PLEASE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY BE A BRICK WALK ACROSS THE STREET THAT MIGHT BE EDGED WITH CONCRETE, UH, BORDERS, BUT, AND THAT HAS, LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A VERY WIDE SET OF STEPS, BUT THAT IS A RELATIVELY NARROW SIDEWALK IN RELATION TO THE STEPS. IN FACT, THERE'S EVEN A, UH, A SET OF STAIRS OUT AT THE RETAINING WALL CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK. SO THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A BROAD SET OF STEPS WITH A RELATIVELY NARROW SIDEWALK COMING UP TO IT. SO THEY'RE, UM, SO ACTUALLY WE KNOW THEM, BO AND MARY, THEY, UM, THEY, SO THEY KIND OF WERE CARETAKERS OF OUR HOUSE FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE IT WAS OWNED BY PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, USING IT AS AN AIRBNB. UM, AND I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE BOUGHT IT FROM SOMEONE THAT ONLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 2019. UH, THEN THEY BOUGHT IT PEOPLE BEFORE THEM BOUGHT IT LIKE 2016, I THINK BEFORE THEN IT WAS 2006. AND SO IT'S BEEN USED AS AN AIRBNB FOR, YOU KNOW, QUITE SOME TIME. UM, AND SO, BUT ALL THOSE OWNERS WERE FROM CALIFORNIA AND THEY WOULD, SO THEY DEPENDED ON BO ACROSS THE STREET TO HELP THEM CARE FOR AND TAKE CARE OF THE HOUSE. SO THE REASON WHY THESE WALKWAYS LOOK SO SIMILAR IS BECAUSE THEY WERE, I MEAN, THE GUY TAKING CARE OF THE HOUSE WAS MAKING IT MIRROR HIS OWN, RIGHT? SO, OR, AND WAS INSTRUCTING THEM TO MIRROR IT, YOU KNOW, FROM ACROSS THE STREET, BO I MEAN, I SHARED WITH HIM MY PLANS TO DO THIS AND HE'S IN FULL SUPPORT. UM, AND IT'S JUST REALLY EXCITED THAT SOMEONE'S LIVING THERE, UM, AND CONVERTING IT BACK TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UM, MA'AM, I, AND ALSO YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S STAIRS IN THEIR PORCH. I MEAN, IN THE STYLE ARCHITECTURE OF THAT HOUSE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, MR. CHAIR. RIGHT. BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE, OUT AT THE LITTLE RETAINING WALL THAT LOOKS POSSIBLY ORIGINAL OR AT LEAST VERY OLD, AND THERE'S A NARROW SET OF STEPS IN THAT RETAINING WALL AND THEN A RELATIVELY NARROW WALK THAT GOES UP TO THE BROAD STEPS. MR. MR. CHAIR? MY, MY, YES SIR. MY FEAR, MY FEAR HERE IS LIKE YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AND YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE RETAINING WALLET YOU'RE MENTIONING AND THE FENCE YOU LOOK NEXT DOOR, THERE'S NO FENCE ACROSS THE STREET AND THERE'S NO FENCE. SO ALL THE CONTRADICTIONS THAT EXIST THAT ARE POSSIBLE, AND I HEAR WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING AND I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT IS VALID AND THAT WILL REALLY ADD A LOT OF VALUE TO THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF, OF HER ENVIRONMENT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET TO [02:05:01] ANY, ANY REAL, UH, UH, BENEFICIAL SOLUTION TO THIS APPLICANT WITHOUT HER, UH, REALLY BRINGING A, A, YOU KNOW, GOOD SITE PLAN, PARTICULARLY THE IMAGES THAT SHE'S SAYING THAT ARE HISTORIC, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THAT THE WALKWAY THAT SHE'S PROPO PROPOSING, THAT THAT IN IN AND OF ITSELF DOESN'T ALLOW HER PROJECT REALLY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY, WITH ANY REAL, UH, GOOD GAMBLE THAT IT'S GONNA GET A MAJORITY VOTE. UM, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY VERY SIMPLE AND WE'RE, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON IT. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS . I THINK IT'S A LACK OF INFORMATION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP, UM, I ENTERED RIGHT WHEN SHE STARTED PRESENTING, SO I'VE BEEN, I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I THINK WE'RE INTRODUCING A DESIGN THAT DOESN'T GO WITH NEITHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BLOCK OR THE HOUSE. UM, RECOMMENDING THE CLIENT TO SUBMIT ANOTHER PROPOSAL DOES NOT, UM, GO IN THE WAY OF US MAKING A VOTE. I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH MOTION. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? IF NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO SAY ANY MORE COMMENTS, I'M READY FOR A MOTION. UM, SO IS ITEM ONE, DO I EVEN DO A MOTION INCLUDING ITEM ONE OR BECAUSE IT WAS THE APPLICANT HAS REMOVED, UH, CORY IF THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THAT REQUEST THAT WE DON'T NEED? NO, ACTUALLY NOT COMPLETELY. IT'S STILL BEING MODIFIED. IT'S NOT GONNA BE COMPLETELY GONE, BUT WELL, YOU'LL COME BACK FOR THAT REQUEST FOR NOW. WE'LL TAKE IT AS WITHDRAWN, CORRECT? WELL, AND TO THE APPLICANT, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IF YOU LISTEN TO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID AND YOU ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE, YOU CAN PROBABLY WALK OUTTA HERE WITHOUT THERE BEING ANY WAYS TO ALSO THE MOTION AS, AS PRE UH, MOTION TO DENY AS PRESENTED TODAY FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO AS PRESENTED TODAY. OKAY, WE DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YES. SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER. UM, I CAN, I CAN SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR DENIAL, BUT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION GETS US TO THE SAME PLACE. SO IF THIS MOTION DOESN'T PASS, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, OF ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATION. AND THEN NUMBER ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT IT BE REPAIRED AND REPLACED, UH, IN KIND. I'LL CHANGE MY MOTION TO THAT IF I MAY 2ND. ALSO, COULD, COULD WE RESTATE THE MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZUMA ON ON? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GURU? AYE. FETZER? AYE. LAO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. SO RACHEL, THIS WAS YOUR CASE, CORRECT? RACHEL? THIS HER TEST? CORRECT. OKAY. IF YOU WOULD GET WITH THE APPLICANT AND UM, WALK HER THROUGH WHAT WE'VE DIS DISCUSSED HERE AND IF SHE WANTS TO COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATE PLAN, UH, REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE PARKING PAD, UH, WHAT SHE'LL NEED TO SUBMIT FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL OF THE AGENDA ITEMS OTHER THAN [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for April 21, 2021.] APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 21ST, 2021. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. I MOVE TO APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 21ST. 2021 QUE I SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. MOTION TO ADJOURN. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MOVE TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND QUEZ. MOTION IS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. AND THANK YOU COREY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.