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          OKAY. 
          OUR FIRST, 
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UH, OUR FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE REPORT, UH, BY, UH, BY, UH, BACK IN VEATCH FOR SAWS. 
          AND AT THIS TIME, UH, ROBERT POY IS GOING TO, UH, START THAT PROCESS OUT. 
          ROBERT, THERE YOU'RE, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, GOOD MORNING REID AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          I'M HERE TODAY WITH BOARD CHAIRWOMAN, UH, JAINE BURLEY, AND OUR C E O STEVE KLAUS. 
          AND WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU, OBVIOUSLY ABOUT THE, THE EVENTS OF THE FEBRUARY STORM UNDER THE MOST TRYING CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          I'M, I AM PROUD OF THE WAY SAWS AND ITS 1700 EMPLOYEES REACTED TO THESE, THIS UNPRECEDENTED SYSTEM, WIRE SYSTEM-WIDE POWER OUTAGES THAT IMPACTED OUR ENTIRE REGION AND THE STATE. 
          OUR RESILIENCY, OUR RESILIENCY PLANS HAVE ALWAYS FACTORED INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING ONE OR MORE CIRCUITS, UH, THAT THAT MAY AFFECT OUR PUMPING OF WATER. 
          WHAT WAS NEVER CONTEMPLATED, CONTEMPLATED, HOWEVER, WAS THAT THE WIDESPREAD LOSS OF POWER THAT NEARLY TOOK DOWN, THAT DID TAKE DOWN MULTIPLE PUMPING STATION, INDEED, THE ENTIRE STATION'S ELECTRICAL GRID, WAS AT RISK AT THE TIME, RATHER THAN POINT FINGERS. 
          WE IMMEDIATELY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE COULD DO BETTER AND MAKE SURE OUR COMMUTER NEVER HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN AT THE DIRECTION OF OUR CHAIRWOMAN AND THE REST OF THE BOARD. 
          WE WASTED NO TIME IN ENGAGING BLACK AND VEATCH TO ANALYZE OUR PREPARATION AND THE RESPONSE TO THE STORM. 
          BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE FINDINGS ARE BEING DRIVEN BY OUR, OUR BOARD AND, AND, AND TO ENSURE ULTIMATE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. 
          THIS REPORT REPORTS, UH, WILL WE BE REPORTING TO THE BOARD. 
          THIS IS NOT A, THIS IS NOT A STAFF DRIVEN ANALYSIS BY OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES. 
          LASTLY, THE SAWS BOARD DIDN'T WANT THIS ANALYSIS TO JUST LANGUISH ON THE SHELF AND JUST TO BE PUT THERE TO GATHER DUST. 
          AND SO WE PUT A 60 A DAY LIMIT ON IT. 
          AND THAT REPORT WAS, UH, UH, COMPLETED IN 60 DAYS. 
          AND IN FACT, OUR BOARD WAS BRIEFED ON IT AT THE MARCH BOARD MEETING, BLACK AND BLACK. 
          AND VEATCH WAS ENGAGED, AND THEY DID TURN AROUND, UH, THAT REPORT IN 60 DAYS AFTER THIS COMMITTEE WAS CONVENED. 
          I SPOKE WITH COUNCILMAN ELIAS AND COUNCILMAN PERRY ABOUT THEIR DESIRE FOR US TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE AND COMPLETELY, UH, COMPLETE WITH OUR ANSWERS AS AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO, I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A CRITICAL LOOK BACK AND SEE, AND ANY SUGGESTED IMPROVEMENTS ON WHAT THIS COMMITTEE AND THE ANSWERS AND QUESTIONS AND MORE, UH, TO PROVIDE THAT VERY MUCH IMPORTANT, UH, PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY, PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY, AND THE NEED FOR OUR PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 
          WITH THAT SAID, THE, THE BLACK AND VEATCH REPORT ASSESSMENT WILL SHOW THAT WATER OUTAGES WERE CAUSED BY THE LACK OF POWER TO MOVE WATER AND SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS. 
          DURING THE WINTER STORM URI, NO OUTAGES WERE CAUSED BYS BY SAWS, BROKEN, INFRA, BROKEN OR FROZEN INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          YES, WE DID HAVE INTERNAL ISSUES, AND THEY ARE WELL CHRONICLED IN THE REPORT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET A BRIEFING ON. 
          I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT SAS PERFORMED EXTREMELY WELL. 
          AND THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS IN THERE THAT WE'VE ALREADY EVEN STARTED TO IMPLEMENT WITH THAT. 
          UH, READ AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, JOE, I A AND MATT, RICHARD WITH A T. 
          UH, HE WILL BE GIVING A REPORT ON, UH, THE BLACK AND REACH REPORT. 
          WELL, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          UH, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND PRESENT BEFORE YOU GUYS TODAY ON, UH, THE WORK WE'VE DONE WITH SAWS, UH, GOING THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT OF THE ACTIVITIES AND, UH, PREPARATIONS AND EVENTS THAT OCCURRED DURING THIS WINTER STORM EVENT. 
          UM, HOW DO I ADVANCE THIS SLIDE? THERE'S THAT. 
          YOU CAN JUST STOP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH, UH, FROM A HIGH LEVEL, WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH IN THIS MORNING'S PRESENTATION, UM, GIVEN, EXCUSE ME, MATT, WHAT, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ARE YOU GONNA PROVIDE COPIES OF THIS TO, TO THE COMMITTEE? UH, WE'VE PROVIDED OUR COPIES TO THE, TO SAS. 
          UH, YES. 
          UH, WE, WE DID PROVIDE THEM TO STAFF, SO THEY, YEAH. 
          PERFECT. 
          SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          OH, YOU'RE FINE. 
          BUT WHILE YOU HAD A LITTLE MINUTE THERE, I WANTED TO, 'CAUSE EVERYBODY WILL BE WRITING LESS IF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING THAT . 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          AND IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, JUST HOLLER OUT. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          I HAVE NO, NO CONCERNS WITH THAT. 
          SO, UM, SO AGAIN, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT REAL, UH, QUICKLY FIRST ON JUST WHAT WE, UH, WHAT OUR SCOPE WAS, WHAT WE APPROACHED, UH, HOW WE APPROACHED THIS PROJECT COMING INTO IT. 
          UM, OUR FIRST GOAL WAS REALLY TO ESTABLISH WHAT THE BASELINE, UH, EVENTS WERE THAT OCCURRED, UH, YOU KNOW, BOTH FROM THE PLANNING STAGE, THE EVENTS THAT OCCURRED DURING THE EVENT, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED AS, UH, A POST 
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EVALUATION, POST, UH, REACTIONS, UH, TO THE, UH, TO THE EVENTS. 
          UM, WE DID THAT BY DOING A COMBINATION OF ACTIVITIES. 
          WE CONDUCTED, UM, A NUMBER OF INTERVIEWS WITH, UH, VARIOUS, UH, DEPARTMENTS AT SAWS AND SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS. 
          UM, I THINK WE WERE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 AND 20 DIFFERENT INTERVIEW SESSIONS THAT WE CONDUCTED, UH, TO, UH, GET THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE CONDUCTED SITE VISITS TO, UH, SOME OF THOSE STATIONS THAT WERE MOST, UH, CRITICALLY AFFECTED BY SOME OF THE, THE FREEZING EVENTS AND TO DOCUMENT WHAT WE SAW AND FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE. 
          AND THEN, UH, FINALLY THERE WAS A, WE HAD, WE HAD MANY DATA REQUESTS. 
          I THINK WE, WE RECEIVED SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF A, OF A THOUSAND DIFFERENT FILES, UH, BA VARIOUS COMMUNICATIONS, UH, PREVIOUS REPORTS, UH, OUTAGE REPORTS FROM, UH, EVENTS THAT OCCURRED DURING THE EVENT. 
          UH, SO WE HAD A TON OF INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM SAS. 
          WE TOOK ALL THAT AND WE COMPILED IT INTO WHAT WE CALLED, OR THERE'S THREE SEPARATE TECHNICAL MEMORANDUMS THAT WE DEVELOPED. 
          ONE BEING A SUMMARY OF THE EVENTS ITSELF AND EVERYTHING THAT OCCURRED AS FAR AS THE RESPONSE, UH, SECOND MEMO THAT EVALUATED THE, UH, PREVIOUS STUDIES THAT HAD BEEN CONDUCTED, UM, AS FAR AS RISK AND RESILIENCE. 
          AND THEN A THIRD, UM, THAT WAS REALLY A CRITICAL, UH, FACILITY EVALUATION, REALLY GOT MORE INTO A TECHNICAL EVALUATION OF THE, OF THE PRESSURE ZONES WITHIN THE SYSTEM. 
          AND AGAIN, OUR, OUR GOAL THROUGH ALL THIS WAS TO ESTABLISH THE FACTS, ESTABLISH THE BASELINE, UM, AND THEN DEVELOP, UH, ASSESSMENTS FROM THAT, AND THEN ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO, JUST REAL QUICKLY RUN THROUGH, UH, YOU GUYS PROBABLY ARE WELL AWARE OF A LOT OF THIS JUST FROM THE WORK YOU'VE ALREADY DONE, BUT THERE WAS, UH, JUST KIND OF THE MAJOR EVENTS THAT OCCURRED. 
          UM, THE, THE WEEK PRIOR TO THE EVENT, UM, SAW STAFF WAS AWARE OF THE, THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS COMING FOR A SIGNIFICANT EVENT. 
          UH, THEY BEGAN PREPARING THEIR STATIONS WITH WINTERIZATION WEATHERIZATION MEASURES. 
          UM, ON SATURDAY THE 13TH IS WHEN TEMPERATURES FIRST STARTED DROPPING BELOW FREEZING. 
          AND IMPACT STARTED BEING OBSERVED ON THE 14TH. 
          THAT SUNDAY, THEY BEGAN, SAWS BEGAN MOBILIZING THEIR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS TO THEIR HEADQUARTERS FACILITIES. 
          ON MONDAY THE 15TH IS WHEN THE FIRST UTILITY POWER LOSSES STARTED TO OCCUR. 
          THAT BEGAN AFFECTING FACILITIES, UM, THAT PROGRESSED THROUGHOUT THE DAY ON MONDAY, UH, RESULTING IN, UH, REALLY THE MOST CRITICAL PERIOD BEING OVERNIGHT BETWEEN MONDAY AND TUESDAY, WHERE SOME OF THE CRITICAL POWER GENERATION FACILITIES WERE, UH, REQUIRING PRIORITIZATION. 
          UH, AGAIN, ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL TIMES DURING THIS, UH, EVENT, UH, WEDNESDAY THE 17TH, IS WHEN THE BOIL WATER ORDER, UH, NOTICE WAS ISSUED AS A PRECAUTIONARY MEASURE JUST BASED ON THE, UH, UNSU OR UNPREDICTABILITY OF THE SYSTEM. 
          AT THAT TIME, ON THURSDAY THE 18TH, THE, THE BROWNOUTS, UH, ENDED AND SERVICE WAS RESTORED TO ALL THE SAWS FACILITIES AND BEGAN A, A REFILLING OF THEIR SYSTEM. 
          UH, FRIDAY THE 19TH IS WHEN THE BULK WATER DISTRIBUTION BEGAN FOR THE, THE COMMUNITY FROM VARIOUS SAWS FACILITIES ON, UH, SUNDAY, THE 21ST IS WHEN THE, UH, FINAL SERVICE AREAS, UH, IN THE FAR NORTH AND NORTHWEST AREAS OF THE CITIES WERE RESTORED. 
          AND THEN BY TUESDAY THE 23RD, THE APPROPRIATE, UH, WATER QUALITY TESTING WAS COMPLETED, WHICH ALLOWED THE, UH, BOIL WATER NOTICES, NOTICES TO BE LIFTED FOR THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, THERE'S A MANY, MANY, MANY MORE EVENTS THAT OCCURRED IN BETWEEN HERE, BUT JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE KEY EVENTS THROUGH THAT WEEK. 
          SO ONE OF OUR TASKS NOTED WAS REVIEWING THE RISK AND RESILIENCE ASSESSMENTS THAT HAD BEEN CONDUCTED PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, THERE WAS THREE MAJOR ONES THAT HAD BEEN CONDUCTED A HAZARD IDENTIFICATION RISK ASSESSMENT BACK IN 2014. 
          THERE WAS A HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN BACK IN 2015, AND THEN SAWS THAT JUST RECENTLY, UH, IN 2020, UH, COMPLETED THE RISK AND RESILIENCE ASSESSMENT AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN. 
          UM, AS PART OF THE, UH, A WE A REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF, UH, A W W A, UH, SOME OF THE TAKEAWAYS THAT WE HAD FROM REVIEWING THESE REPORTS AND ASSESSMENTS WAS, I, I THINK THE, THE TAKEAWAY WAS THAT THE, THE LIKELIHOOD AND OR THE IMPACT FROM A WINTER WEATHER EVENT WERE PROBABLY UNDERESTIMATED, AT LEAST IN COMPARISON TO WHAT THIS EVENT PRODUCED. 
          UM, THE, ALL THESE STUDIES DIDN'T REALLY DIVE INTO WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LIKELIHOOD AND THE SEVERITY OF WHAT THIS COULD, UH, COULD HAVE BEEN. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY TWO EVENTS THAT OCCURRED HERE, AND WE HAD A WINTER WEATHER EVENT, BUT WE ALSO HAD A SIGNIFICANT UTILITY POWER LOSS EVENT. 
          AND THE, OUR TAKEAWAY FROM THESE STUDIES WAS 
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THEY KIND OF EVALUATED THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT NOT IN COMBINATION. 
          SO THERE'S KIND OF A, A, A, A CASCADING EFFECT HERE WITH SOME OF THESE, UH, EVENTS. 
          UM, OUR PRIMARY RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS WAS TO, FOR SAWS TO EVALUATE THEIR EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS SPECIFIC TO THIS EVENT, AND TO IDENTIFY, UM, IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY CAN MAKE TO THIS, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BETTER REACT TO A FUTURE EVENT. 
          AS FAR AS THE OTHER, UH, WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH SIX KEY OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAME THROUGH GOING THROUGH THIS, THESE, UH, THIS ASSESSMENT, UH, WE, WE PROBABLY HAD OVER AROUND A HUNDRED TOTAL OBSERVATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ALTOGETHER, BUT, UH, SOME OF THOSE WERE LESS CRITICAL, BUT ONE TO HIGHLIGHT THE SIX KEY ONES TODAY OF, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT WE'VE FOUND. 
          UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS IN REGARDS TO STAFF, ORGANIZATION AND DEDICATION. 
          I THINK WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENTLY AFTER HAVING REVIEWED, UM, AND INTERVIEWED THE STAFF, THAT THERE IS A, UH, THERE WAS A VERY STRONG TEAM, A VERY STRONG DEDICATION TO THIS EVENT. 
          UM, THIS WAS A, THIS WAS A TOUGH SITUATION FOR, FOR THE TEAM. 
          UM, SITUATIONS WERE CHANGING CONTINUOUSLY WITH THE WEATHER, WITH, UH, UTILITY POWER, WITH, UH, UH, LEAKS THAT WERE OCCURRING WITHIN THE SYSTEM. 
          AND, AND EACH TIME WE FELT THAT THE STAFF HAD, YOU KNOW, WAS USED THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THEIR INGENUITY TO COME UP WITH GOOD SOLUTIONS AND, AND TO MANAGE THIS AS BEST AS THEY COULD. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WAS FIELD CREWS THAT WERE WORKING EXTENDED HOURS THROUGH THE NIGHT, THROUGH CHALLENGING WEATHER CONDITIONS, AND, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, REALLY, YOU KNOW, SOME, AND SOMETIMES WORKING, YOU KNOW, FULL 24 HOUR SHIFTS OR MORE TO, TO COVER WHAT, UH, THEY NEEDED TO GET DONE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY FELT THAT WAS A, A POSITIVE THAT WE NEEDED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT OF, OF HOW THAT WORKED. 
          UM, JUST A COUPLE OTHER FINAL THINGS ON THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS INEFFICIENCIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED DURING THE EVENT, AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS, WAS, UH, REALLY GOOD TO SEE HOW STAFF REACTED TO THOSE INEFFICIENCIES, CAME UP WITH NEW PLANS, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTWAY THROUGH, UH, TO MAKE THINGS WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY. 
          AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST POSITIVE IS THROUGH ALL THAT THERE WAS ZERO TIME LOST INCIDENTS, UH, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO, UH, UH, IT'S A REAL POSITIVE FOR THIS EVENT. 
          UM, OUR SECOND KEY OBSERVATION FROM THIS WAS THE, UM, THE, WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE CAUSE OF THE EVENT, UH, AS FAR AS THE LOSS OF WATER, UH, TO CUSTOMERS, WAS DUE TO THE UTILITY POWER LOSS. 
          UM, THERE WAS MANY LOCATIONS THAT DID EXPERIENCE CHALLENGES, UH, PUMP STATIONS WITH INSTRUMENTATION THAT WAS FREEZING AND, AND LOSS DURING THE, DURING THE EVENT. 
          BUT, UH, ALL THOSE FACILITIES WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OPERATIONS, UH, THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, THEY'RE JUST IN, I GUESS CALL IT FLYING BLIND IN SOME ASPECT, BUT, UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN, UM, IT, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT THE, UH, FACILITIES, UM, UH, HAD UTILITY OR, UH, EXCUSE ME, SORRY, UH, EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, IT IS OUR OPINION THAT, UH, IF THE, UH, UTILITY POWER HAD BEEN MAINTAINED THAT THE FULL WATER, UH, WOULD'VE BEEN MAINTAINED FOR ALL CUSTOMERS. 
          THE THIRD ITEM WAS REGARDING THE BOIL WATER NOTICE. 
          UM, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE, THANK YOU. 
          THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE BOIL WATER NOTICE. 
          UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE, THE, BOTH THE TIMELINESS AND THE, UH, UH, THE, THE USE OF THE BOIL NOT WATER NOTICE WAS APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE, UH, UNPREDICTABILITY AT THE SYSTEM AT THIS TIME WITH THE, UH, STATIONS THAT HAD BEEN LOST WITH THE AREAS THAT WERE TRYING TO BE RESTORED, UH, THAT THERE WAS, UH, THAT THIS WAS A REGULATORY THING TO BE ON A, TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE AS FAR AS THE DURATION TO RESTORE THE BOIL WATER. 
          UM, THIS WAS, THIS WAS A COMPLICATED SYSTEM AS FAR AS HOW SAWS OPERATES, UH, WITH ALL THE VARIOUS PRESSURE ZONES WITHIN THEIR SYSTEM. 
          SO IN ORDER TO LIFT THAT BOIL WATER NOTICE, WATER SERVICE HAD TO BE RESTORED TO ALL CUSTOMERS, UH, WITHIN THAT PRESSURE ZONE AND WATER QUALITY PARAMETERS HAD TO BE MET. 
          AND THAT TOOK A, UH, FROM TRYING TO GET WATER TO THOSE FAR NORTH AND NORTHWEST AREAS OF THE CITY, TOOK TIME TO MOVE IT FROM THE CENTRAL AREA OF THE CITY WHERE THE WELLS ARE LOCATED UP THROUGH THE VARIOUS PRESSURE ZONES, UH, TO THOSE. 
          SO, UM, THERE WAS SOME, AGAIN, THERE'S CHALLENGES WITH THE SYSTEM, BUT THIS WAS THE, UH, WE FEEL THIS WAS A, A TIMELY AND APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TO THIS. 
          UM, THE FOURTH ITEM FOR, UH, OBSERVATION RECOMMENDATION WAS JUST THE COORDINATION AND COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN C P S ENERGY AND SAWS. 
          WE, WE, WE OBSERVED IN A NUMBER OF CASES, JUST 
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INEFFICIENCIES IN THAT COMMUNICATION PROTOCOL BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          UM, SOME OF THE KEY ITEMS THAT WE IDENTIFIED THAT THINK, UH, WERE, ARE AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UM, ESTABLISHING SINGULAR POINTS OF CONTACT ON EACH SIDE. 
          UM, WE OBSERVED A NUMBER OF CASE, UH, LOOK OR ITEMS TIMES WHERE PEOPLE FROM THE, WITHIN BOTH SIDES OF THE ORGANIZATION WERE COMMUNICATING ACROSS WITH EACH OTHER. 
          VARIOUS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF COMMUNICATION WERE HAPPENING WHERE ONE, SOMEBODY WAS RESPONDING TO AN ISSUE ON ONE SIDE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WAS ADDRESSING SEPARATELY IN ANOTHER CHAIN OF EMAILS. 
          AND SO, UM, ESTABLISHING SINGULAR POINTS OF CONTACT WOULD BE, UH, IMPORTANT. 
          UM, THE SECOND ITEM WAS THE SAWS FACILITY HIERARCHY. 
          UH, THE, THE CURRENT LIST OF FACILITY HIERARCHIES BASED, UH, TO ESTABLISH WHEN OR WHAT FACILITIES ARE GETTING BROUGHT BACK ON AFTER A SERIOUS EVENT WHERE THEY'VE LOST POWER, OR TO DETERMINE WHICH FACILITIES GET TAKEN OFF IN THE CASE OF A, UH, A BROWNOUT SITUATION WHERE IT'S SELECTIVE, UM, WAS REALLY NOT GRANULAR ENOUGH FOR THE, UH, THE SITUATION THAT WE HAD. 
          THE, THE, THE CURRENT SETTING IS BASED, OR THE CURRENT, UM, HIERARCHY WAS BASED OFF OF A ERCOT, UH, UH, RANKING SYSTEM. 
          AGAIN, JUST DID NOT PROVIDE THE GRANULARITY THAT WE NEEDED HERE. 
          UM, THE THIRD AND FINAL ITEM, KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE FIRST IS WE RECOMMENDED THAT THERE'S CONSIDERATION FOR DEVELOPING SOME TYPE OF AN ACTIVE PLATFORM WHERE SAWS AND C P S CAN COMMUNICATE TOGETHER ON OUTAGES. 
          UM, THE, WHAT THE MAIN ITEM WE SAW FOR COMMUNICATION IN THIS WAS EMAILS AND, UH, A A LOG OF FACILITIES. 
          BUT THIS EVENT WAS CHANGING SO DYNAMICALLY THAT THAT LIST WAS QUICKLY OUT OF DATE. 
          AND THE FOLKS THAT WERE ADDRESSING AND RESPONDING TO CERTAIN ITEMS ON THAT LIST, UM, YOU KNOW, QUICKLY WERE LOOKING AT OUTDATED INFORMATION. 
          AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER SOMETHING, UH, MORE FORMAL IN THAT ASPECT. 
          UH, THE FIFTH ITEM IS A DEVELOPMENT OF AN INTERNAL OUTAGE TRACKING SYSTEM INTERNAL TO SAWS. 
          UM, DURING THIS EVENT, THE, UH, AGAIN, SYSTEM OR THE SYSTEM IMPACTS WERE CHANGING QUICKLY. 
          THE OUTAGES WERE CHANGING QUICKLY, BUT THE FLOW OF INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT SAWS AND ULTIMATELY OUT TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER KEY AGENCIES AND STAKEHOLDERS WAS LIMITED. 
          UM, THE OUTAGE MAPS WERE DEVELOPED, BUT AGAIN, THESE WERE A SNAPSHOT IN TIME. 
          UM, THEY WERE UPDATED TWICE A DAY, BUT REALLY DIDN'T, UH, COMMUNICATE, UH, EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS WERE CHANGING THROUGH THE DAY. 
          UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO EVALUATE AND DEVELOP SOME TYPE OF A LIVE TOOL, UH, INTERNALLY TO WHERE THIS COULD BE TRACKED ON A MORE, UH, LIVE BASIS, AND WOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN SAWS TO, UH, USE THAT INFORMATION, UH, HAVE THEIR DEPARTMENTS DEVELOP THEIR PLANS AND THEIR RESPONSE TO THIS, AND HOW THE, THE, AS A COLLECTIVE TEAM, UH, A, A BETTER RESPONSE CAN BE PREPARED. 
          UM, THE SIX KEY ITEM THAT WE'D IDENTIFIED WAS A, TRYING TO DEVELOP AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CUSTOMER OUTAGE, UH, REPORTING SYSTEM. 
          SO THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS EVENT. 
          THE, UH, ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS FOR OUTAGES COME THROUGH THE CALL CENTER AT SAS. 
          THE CALL CENTER HAD BEEN WORKING AT HOME BECAUSE OF COVID CONDITIONS. 
          UM, ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE WORKING FROM HOME THOUGH WERE ALSO EXPERIENCING THE SAME POWER OUTAGES THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DID. 
          SO THEY WERE UNAVAILABLE DURING THE, UH, AT LEAST THROUGH THE EARLY PARTS OF THE EVENT TO RESPOND TO CALLS. 
          AND SO THERE WAS A REALLY A, A, A INFORMATION FLOW THAT WAS LACKING THERE AS FAR AS GETTING OUTAGE PORTAGES IN. 
          UM, THIS HURT SAW STAFF IN SOME ASPECTS BY NOT HAVING ALL THAT INFORMATION TO KNOW WHERE EXACTLY SOME OF THE ISSUES WERE OCCURRING WITHIN THEIR SYSTEM. 
          SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF A WEB-BASED CUSTOMER OUTAGE REPORTING SYSTEM. 
          UM, WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST PROPOSE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR MAKING THAT A, UH, A PUBLIC VERSION, UH, AVAILABLE, SO WHERE CUSTOMERS COULD ACTUALLY SEE THIS ON THEIR SIDE. 
          UM, WE FULLY RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFICULTIES IN DOING THAT, UM, ESPECIALLY FROM A WATER UTILITY. 
          THERE'S JUST COMPLICATIONS WITH, UH, SERVICE LEVELS AND WHERE YOU SIT WITHIN A WATERSHED TO KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE SERVICE OR NOT. 
          IT'S NOT AS CUT AND DRY AS PER SE, LIKE, UH, POWERS ON OR OFF, BUT, SO, EXCUSE ME, MATT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE DIA, YOU'VE GOT THE PICTURE UP THERE. 
          COULD YOU KIND OF BRIEFLY GO THROUGH AND EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THE DIFFERENCE COLORS, THE DOTS MEAN AND EVERYTHING? IT'S, IT'S GOOD INFORMATION. 
          I JUST, I WOULDN'T 
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WANNA GO OVER, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT IN A MINUTE. 
          NO, I WASN'T GONNA GO OVER THAT. 
          I, I BELIEVE THE DIFFERENT COLORED DOTS ARE THE DIFFERENT PUMP STATIONS THAT WERE OUTTA SERVICE AND THE, UH, THE PRESSURE ZONES THAT THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH. 
          UM, THE, THE PINK AREAS, UH, IN THIS MAP AT LEAST INDICATE THOSE AREAS THAT DIDN'T HAVE, UH, WATER SERVICE AT THIS, AT THAT TIME, FEBRUARY 18TH. 
          AND DOES SOMEONE KNOW WHAT THE, THE DIFFERENT COLORS MEAN? I BELIEVE THE DIFFERENT COLORS WERE DIFFERENT PRESSURE ZONES. 
          UH, UH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANKS. 
          STEVE KLAU, THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR THE ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM, AND THAT IS WHAT THOSE WERE, THAT IS WHAT THOSE WERE INTENDED TO REPRESENT, UM, PRESSURE ZONE THAT WAS OUT, OR, UM, A WATER SUPPLY THAT WAS BEING IMPACTED AS A RESULT OF THAT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MATT'S WILL COVER IS THAT OUR EXTERNAL WATER SUPPLIES WERE THE VERY FIRST THINGS THAT WENT WHEN THE FREEZE, UH, ACTUALLY STARTED ON EARLY MONDAY FOR US. 
          SO, UH, THOSE ARE, ARE INTENDED TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES. 
          TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          GOOD. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE SIX KEY OBSERVATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAD. 
          THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, ITEMS, AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS ON ANY, ANYTHING, JUST, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO ASK, UH, AGAIN, THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT WERE TOUCHED WITH THIS. 
          YES. 
          UNLESS WE HAVE CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS, WE'LL HOLD THEM UNTIL YOU'RE FINISHED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THE LAST PIECE OF THIS WAS A, AGAIN, IT WAS MORE OF A TECHNICAL EVALUATION OF THE, THIS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AS A WHOLE TO EVALUATE THE, THE APPROXIMATELY 50 OR SO PRESSURE ZONES THAT SAWS MANAGES THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM, AND TO ASSESS WHAT THE CRITICAL FACILITIES WERE, UH, WITHIN THOSE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN SERVICE DURING A TARGET EMERGENCY EVENT. 
          SO WHAT WE DID IS, UH, AS FAR AS AN ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE TO, TO PERFORM THIS EVALUATION, WAS TO ASSUME WHAT KIND OF A FAILURE EVENT WE WERE GONNA HAVE. 
          AND WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT A, AN EXTENDED UTILITY POWER FAILURE EVENT, UM, BEING THAT IS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT JUST OCCURRED. 
          UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN OCCUR, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST IN COLD WEATHER, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, MAY PROBABLY EVEN MORE LIKELY IN A, IN A VERY HOT WEATHER EVENT. 
          SO WE ASSUMED A TWO WEEK FAILURE EVENT OF UTILITY POWER. 
          UM, WE ASSUMED AN OVERALL CITY DEMAND OF 350 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. 
          THIS IS ON THE, UH, WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MAXIMUM DAY IN THE SUMMER, UH, FOR SAWS. 
          UH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY ON THE HIGHER END OF WHAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE REALISTICALLY DONE IN A, UH, IN A FAILURE EVENT. 
          BUT WE, UH, FELT THIS WAS CONSERVATIVE FOR ESTABLISHING WHAT THOSE CRITICAL FACILITIES WERE. 
          UM, OUR ASSUMPTIONS FOR THIS WAS THAT THE CITY OVERALL WAS OPERATING AT MINIMUM PRESSURES. 
          UM, THIS WOULD BE IN THE ORDER OF 25 TO 30 M OR 30 25 TO 30 P S I, AS OPPOSED TO THE NORMAL 60 TO 80 P SS I. 
          AND THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT IS JUST TO CONSERVE ENERGY. 
          IT'S TAKES A LOT MORE POWER TO, UH, PRESSURIZE THE SYSTEM. 
          AND THIS WOULD STILL MAINTAIN AT LEAST BASIC LEVEL SERVICE FOR EVERYONE. 
          UH, THE, THE FOURTH AND FINAL ASSUMPTION WITH THIS WAS THAT, UH, ALL THE EXTERNAL SOURCES THAT SUPPLY TO SAWS WOULD BE UNAVAILABLE. 
          AND SO SAWS WOULD BE OPERATING, UH, ENTIRELY ON THE EDWARDS WELLS THAT THEY HAVE LOCATED THROUGHOUT THEIR SYSTEM, PRIMARILY IN THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE CITY. 
          SO THROUGH THIS EVALUATION, WE HAD IDENTIFIED, UH, THE CRITICAL FACILITIES THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO OPERATE UNDER THESE ASSUMPTIONS. 
          UH, WHAT WE DETERMINED IS THAT THERE WOULD BE THE NEED FOR APPROXIMATELY 60 TO 75 MEGAWATTS OF GENERATION CAPACITY THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO PROVIDE, UH, FULL SERVICE TO THE CITY UNDER THESE CONDITIONS. 
          UH, THE PRELIMINARY COST FOR PROVIDING THAT, THAT TYPE OF POWER, UH, WE'RE ESTIMATING SOMEWHERE AROUND $200 MILLION. 
          UH, WE WILL CLARIFY THAT THERE, THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE DID WAS PURELY TO LOOK AT THE, THE, THE FACILITIES, UH, THAT THE WELLS AND THE PUMP STATIONS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD GO INTO THIS KIND OF COST. 
          UH, FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE WAS, IF THERE WAS REALLY 75 MEGAWATTS OF, OF GENERATION CAPACITY, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUEL THAT'S REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THAT TYPE OF, UH, OF AN OPERATION. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE, NEED TO BE CONSIDERATION FOR SOME TYPE OF A CENTRALIZED FUEL STORAGE SYSTEM, UH, TO MANAGE THAT. 
          IN ADDITION, THERE'S SOME OTHER FACILITIES, TREATMENT WISE THAT SAWS OPERATES THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY COULD BENEFIT, UH, BEING IN OPERATION DURING THIS TYPE OF AN EVENT. 
          AND WE'D, WE'D ASSUMED THAT EVERYTHING WAS OFFLINE. 
          THEY WERE JUST PURELY OPERATING OFF OF WELLS. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WOULD GO INTO 
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THIS AS FAR AS WHAT THE COST, YOU KNOW, COULD BE FOR A, UM, DEFINING WHAT THE, THE, THE RISK TOLERANCE AND THE RESILIENCE LEVEL YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE. 
          SO, UM, SO THAT GOES THE HIGHLIGHTS OF, OF OUR OVERVIEW. 
          I GUESS WE WILL, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE, WE'LL, WE WILL, UH, DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER. 
          SURE. 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I WANNA INE ROBERT, STEVE, THEY'VE ALL JUMPED RIGHT ON THIS AND REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, Y'ALL GETTING THIS DONE AND APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S WORK SO FAST AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA GOING TO, UM, START OVER HERE WITH, UH, MANNY AND CLAYTON, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THEIR, UH, THEIR PART OF THE, OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO START FLIP A COIN. 
          , THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A LOT OF, A LOT OF THINKING ABOUT THIS, AND WE ARE, UM, I, I, I KEEP GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          SO THE QUESTIONS I'LL ASK YOU ARE, ARE MOSTLY GONNA BE, UH, REGARDING THAT, UH, ISSUE OF GENERATORS AT, UM, THE PUMP STATIONS OR WHEREVER IT IS THAT GENERATORS WOULD SIT. 
          UH, I IMAGINE THAT LAST PHOTO WE SAW WAS A PICTURE OF A, OF A GENERATOR. 
          IS THAT YES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE GENERATORS, UH, OUTTA THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE CITY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO THE QUESTION WAS, WE GET IT, THOSE GENERATORS ARE OUT THERE. 
          UM, TO WHAT EXTENT DID THOSE GENERATORS WORK? UH, AND TO WHAT EXTENT DID THEY NOT? UH, THAT IS TO SAY WERE THERE JUST SOME GENERATORS OUT THERE THAT WERE OFF THE, THE GENERATORS WERE LAR SO LET ME CLARIFY AND FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN HERE, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY A FEW OF THE PUMP STATIONS IN THE SYSTEM THAT HAVE GENERATORS. 
          UM, SO, UH, THIS WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          BUT AS FAR AS OUR, UH, INVESTIGATION, ANYTHING THAT HAD A GENERATOR OPERATED THROUGH THIS EVENT, OTHER THAN MAYBE ONE OR TWO LOCATIONS WHERE THERE WAS SOME SPECIFIC ISSUE, BUT THE, UH, STEVE, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE FROM A GENERATOR PERSPECTIVE. 
          WHEN WE INHERITED THE BARE MET FACILITIES, UH, TYPICALLY VERY SMALL, UH, PUMPING STATIONS, THOSE CAME, UH, QUITE A FEW OF THOSE CAME WITH SMALL GENERATORS IN THEM. 
          UM, ON OUR WASTEWATER SIDE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF GENERATORS AT OUR SEWAGE PUMPING STATIONS. 
          UM, WE HAVE ONE LARGE GENERATOR, ABOUT TWO MEGAWATTS THAT EXIST AT OUR SMALLEST WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          BUT AS FAR AS GENERATORS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF PUMPING, UH, THE VOLUMES OF WATER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT OUR LARGER PUMPING STATIONS, THOSE DO NOT EXIST. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN FOR THESE LITTLE ONES, HOW, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, TO HELP PUMP WATER INTO THESE HOMES, HOW MANY OF THOSE DO WE HAVE? UH, THE, THE VERY SMALL ONES THAT I'M REFERRING TO THAT WERE PART OF THE BARE MET SYSTEM, I THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE SEVEN OF THOSE. 
          WERE THOSE OPERATING DURING THE STORM. 
          THEY WERE, UM, IN THOSE LOCATIONS, WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP 'EM OPERATIONAL. 
          WE DID HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE THROUGH THE EVENT, KEEPING THOSE UNITS FUELED. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, STAFF WERE RUNNING AROUND IN PICKUP TRUCKS DOING THEIR BEST, TRYING TO GET FUEL TO THEM. 
          OUR MAJOR FUEL SUPPLIER, UH, THAT WE HAD UNDER CONTRACT COULD NOT DELIVER DURING THE EVENT. 
          SO THAT KEPT US VERY BUSY. 
          I ALSO SHOULD ADD THAT IN THE, SOME OF OUR LARGER PUMPING STATIONS, WE HAVE, UH, VERY SMALL GENERATORS THAT ARE AT THOSE. 
          I THINK NINE OF THOSE THAT ARE USED FOR THE LIGHTS, THE SECURITY SYSTEM ARE, ARE COMPUTER CONTROLS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO THESE GENERATORS, AND YOU SAID THERE WERE SEVEN, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING LIKE SEVEN. 
          YES. 
          SO THESE SEVEN GENERATORS, HOW OLD ARE THEY? UH, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY IN THE 2015 RANGE. 
          ON AVERAGE, THEY VARY DEPENDING ON THE PARTICULAR SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT I GET FROM THE PUBLIC ARE, OKAY, FINE, WE GET IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE SAWS HASN'T INSTALLED GENERATORS, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THESE PUMP STATIONS ANYWHERE IN TOWN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT I ANSWER BACK IS, WELL, IF WE WERE TO INSTALL GENERATORS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD COST SOMEWHERE IN THE TUNE OF, I I I THOUGHT I'D HEARD SOMEBODY SAY 800 MILLION PLUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE INITIAL ESTIMATES THAT WERE, THAT I RELEASED, YEAH. 
          UM, WERE PROJECTED OFF OF THE STUDIES THAT WE HAD DONE WITH C P S FOR A SINGLE PUMPING STATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN THAT, I SAID IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN SOMEWHERE OF THE RANGE OF 500 TO $800 MILLION TO DO CITYWIDE OR, UM, YES, THAT'S BLACK AND VEATCH'S ASSESSMENT FOR THE POTABLE WATER SYSTEM, NOT INCLUDING A LARGE CENTRALIZED FUEL STORAGE, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THAT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY, AND WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT AND NOT INCLUDING OUR H TWO OAKS FACILITY, WHICH IS DOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT MATT 
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AND I WILL DEBATE ABOUT GOING FORWARD AS TO WHETHER THAT STATION NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED. 
          I THINK IT DOES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER 10 MEGAWATTS OR SO OF POWER, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS. 
          WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ONE HALF OF SAWS HERE. 
          AND YOU CAN'T IGNORE, IF WE HAVE A TWO WEEK POWER FAILURE IN SAN ANTONIO THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS IN THAT EVALUATION. 
          SO THIS IS NOT THE WHOLE PICTURE OF WHAT MAKES UP THAT 500 TO 800 MILLION PROJECTION THAT I THREW OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, COUNCILMAN, IF I, IF I COULD YES, MA'AM. 
          SO WHAT STEVE IS EXPLAINING TO, TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT OUR CURRENT GENERATION PLANS HAS CERTAINLY SERVED OUR OPERATIONS WELL UP TO THIS POINT. 
          BUT AS BLACK AND VEATCH MENTIONED THIS MORNING, OUR PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS NEVER ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD LOSE POWER, UM, AND HAVE THE WINTER EVENT AT THOSE COMBINED EVENTS AS WE DID. 
          SO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE CALLED FOR THIS ASSESSMENT EARLY ON, UM, WAS SO THAT THE BOARD COULD GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR RESILIENCY PLAN SHOULD LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD. 
          UM, MY FEAR TODAY IS THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS GOING TO GET, UH, EMBRACED AROUND THAT $800 MILLION NUMBER. 
          WE HAVE NOT CONDUCTED THE DUE DILIGENCE NECESSARY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR RESILIENCY PLAN SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD, THE KINDS OF FUEL. 
          AND WE ABSOLUTELY NEED OUR PARTNER AT THE TABLE, WHO IS C P SS ENERGY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING GOING FORWARD AND HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO SERVE THESE PUMP STATIONS FOR THIS COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UM, THE BOARD WILL RECEIVE THE DETAILED REPORT IN OUR JUNE MEETING. 
          UM, OUR C E O HAS BEEN GIVEN THE RESILIENCY PLAN IN HIS, UH, KEY INITIATIVES FOR PLANNING FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK AROUND CHANGING OUR PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS TO ASSUME THIS KIND OF EVENT GOING FORWARD, AND DETERMINING WHAT OUR RESILIENCY PLAN SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD, AND THAT THAT WORK WILL BE WITH THE BOARD GIVING THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND, AND THAT SOUNDS VERY PRUDENT, AND I HAVE NO QUARREL WITH ANY OF THAT. 
          THAT SOUNDS EXACTLY WHAT SHOULD BE DONE. 
          AND, AND I'M HAPPY IT'S, IT'S BEING DONE THAT WAY. 
          UH, BUT BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE GENERATORS THOUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC JUST KEEPS TALKING ABOUT THE GENERATORS, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, I CAN'T, I, I, I NEED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR THEM. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I GET IS, OKAY, I KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PUT GENERATORS ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          WELL, WHY DIDN'T WE JUST PUT A FEW, UH, OVER THE YEARS, RIGHT? AND BUILD ONE HERE, BUILD ONE THERE. 
          WHAT WAS KEEPING US FROM DOING THAT? I, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. 
          I THINK WE WILL MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION TO SOME EXTENT. 
          THERE'S, UM, A LOT OF, UH, STRATEGY THAT NEEDS TO BE, BE PUT INTO WHERE DO WE PUT THEM FIRST? HOW BIG DO THEY NEED TO BE, ET CETERA. 
          UM, PRIOR TO THIS EVENT, I CAN SAY THAT I WOULD BE A PERSON THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OPPOSED TO GENERATORS. 
          WE HAVE SUCH AN INTERCONNECTED SYSTEM THAT WHENEVER WE HAD A TORNADO GO THROUGH TOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, AND IT TAKES OUT A CIRCUIT OR TWO FROM C P SS, WE COULD JUST PROVIDE WATER TO THOSE AREAS FROM THE PUMP STATIONS AND THE CIRCUITS THAT WERE STILL ACTIVE. 
          SO THOSE GENERATORS, THE COST AND MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE A, A WIDE AREA OUTAGE LIKE WE'VE BEEN THROUGH HERE. 
          BARE MET, FOR EXAMPLE, HAD GENERATORS AT THEIR SU AT THEIR PUMPING STATIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT CONNECTED. 
          AND ANYTIME A TORNADO WENT THROUGH AND TOOK OUT, UM, THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE AT A BARE MET PUMPING STATION, EVERYBODY WAS DONE IN THAT AREA. 
          WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          WE'RE INTERCONNECTED AND WE CAN GET AROUND THOSE ONE OR TWO CIRCUIT FAILURES BECAUSE OF OUR INTERCONNECTED NATURE. 
          STEVE, THAT IS AN EXCELLENT ANSWER. 
          UH, AND AND I, I GOTTA TELL YOU, THAT'S THE ANSWER I'LL GIVE MY CONSTITUENTS GOING FORWARD BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, IT'S JUST EASY TO SAY, RIGHT? WELL, MY GOSH, I CAN GO GET A GENERATOR AT HOME DEPOT. 
          RIGHT? WHY COULDN'T YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THAT? I GET IT, IT'S GOTTA BE BIGGER. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS DO THAT NOW, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS BASED ON ALL THE FACTS THAT WE HAD, UM, THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN, UH, A PRUDENT USE OF OUR MONEY. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          IF THAT'S THE ANSWER. 
          THAT'S THE ANSWER. 
          UH, DID I, DID I, I THINK IT WAS PR SYNTHES THAT AT THAT TIME AND WITH WHAT THE STANDARD THAT WE HAD BEEN PLANNING TOWARD THIS EVENT CHANGED THAT STANDARD. 
          OKAY. 
          NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. 
          AND HOW WE GO THROUGH, I DO NOT ANTICIPATE SHOWING UP AND, UM, PROPOSING THAT WE PUT IN 500 MILLION GEN IN GENERATORS IN ONE YEAR OR TWO YEARS. 
          I THINK WE WILL BUILD INTO THAT, AND WE NEED TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN HOW WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          I LOVE IT. 
          AND, AND THANK YOU. 
          THIS, UM, THIS IS THE KIND OF CANDOR THAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE, ARE LOOKING FOR. 
          GO AHEAD, ED. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ON WAS, UM, THE ISSUE OF, UM, OF LEADERSHIP DURING THE, THE CRISIS. 
          I, I, I'LL TELL YOU, UM, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T GET TO SEE, UH, WHAT WAS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES HERE AND BEHIND THE SCENES AT, AT SAWS. 
          AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU JUST MY LITTLE 
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PIECE OF IT. 
          UM, I, I WOULD CALL, UH, ROBERT PUENTE AND I'D CALL, YOU KNOW, JAIME CASTILLO AND, UH, GAVIN RAMBOS. 
          AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE EMERGENCY WAS THAT WAS HAPPENING TO US ON AT DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          THEY NEVER LET THE PHONE RING MORE THAN TWICE, UH, BEFORE TAKING MY CALL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WERE MANAGING THE JUGGLE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE CRISIS WHILE ALSO FIELDING CALLS FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, TO ME IS, IS, UH, AN AMAZING FEAT. 
          UM, AND SO I I'M NOT SURE THAT PEOPLE REALIZE EXACTLY HOW URGENT THE ALL HANDS ON DECK WAS, UM, AT, AT THE TIME AND, AND TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF. 
          I, I THINK THAT THAT WAS, UM, UH, AMAZING, UM, THAT YOU HAD PEOPLE OUT IN THE FIELD, UH, WHOSE OWN FAMILIES WERE FREEZING WITHOUT WATER IN THEIR HOUSES, AND THEY WERE TAKING CARE OF OTHER SAN ANTONIANS. 
          AND SO, I, I I, I THINK THAT IT CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED HOW, UM, HOW SAWS REALLY IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S RUN BY SAN ANTONIANS FOR SAN ANTONIANS, AND THAT YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS CARE. 
          UM, I, I DO, I AM WORRIED ON, ON ANOTHER FRONT. 
          AND THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE EVER A MOMENT WHEN C P SS TALKED TO YOU GUYS AND SAID, WILL YOU PLEASE NOT BLAME C P S FOR NO ENERGY? WILL YOU GUYS NOT THROW US UNDER THE BUS ON THIS ONE? CAN WE, CAN WE, DO YOU MIND DOWNPLAYING THIS WHOLE POWER ISSUE? I PERSONALLY NEVER GOT THAT CALL TO SAY, DON'T POINT THE FINGER AT US. 
          UH, THEY, THEY KNEW THE PROBLEMS THAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING. 
          THEY KNEW WHY WE WERE EXPERIENCING THE PROBLEMS WE WERE EXPERIENCING. 
          SO, UM, I WAS NEVER INSTRUCTED TO, UH, IN ANY WAY MISREPRESENT WHAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THIS CANDID, RAW PRESENTATION THAT WE GOT TODAY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE INEFFICIENCIES, UM, UM, WAS THIS RUN BY C P S PRIOR TO BRINGING IT TO US? UH, IN OTHER WORDS, I, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE PRESENTATION AS OPPOSED TO A SCRUBBED ONE. 
          UH, SO THAT C P S DOESN'T GET TOO MUCH OF THE BLAME, I DON'T BELIEVE, ROBERT, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OF THAT? UH, NO. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, WELL, UH, NO COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, UM, JUST THIS MORNING WE SENT IT TO YOUR STAFF SO THEY CAN PUT IT ON THE, ON THE SCREEN. 
          OUR BOARD MEMBERS WERE GIVEN THIS PRESENTATION. 
          UH, OUR BAR, OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT THIS PROCEEDING ABOUT THIS, UH, UH, ASSESSMENT. 
          AND WERE BRIEFED IN MARCH. 
          BUT THE REPORT ITSELF IS STILL, UH, IS, IS ALMOST FINALIZED AND WILL BE SHOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME TO OUR BOARD IN JUNE. 
          UH, BUT C P S, UH, YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, C P S ENERGY HAS NOT HAD ACCESS TO THIS REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, AND MY FINAL POINT CHAIR, MR. CHAIR, UH, REED, UH, THE, UH, GOOD JOB. 
          THE, UH, I HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN, GIVEN REASON IN THE WORK THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH YOU GUYS, CLAYTON AND I HAVE, UH, TO THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE HIDING THE BALL, UH, THAT YOU GUYS ARE PLAYING COY, UH, THAT YOU GUYS ARE PLAYING WITH WORDS, OR THAT I HAVE TO ASK THE RIGHT COMBINATION OF WORDS TO GET THE RIGHT ANSWER. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY OPEN WITH US AND VERY, UM, VERY COOPERATIVE. 
          AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND THE REASON I'M, I'M MENTIONING IT IS BECAUSE THIS COMMITTEE WAS PUT TOGETHER TO ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS AND TO GET THE UNCOMFORTABLE ANSWERS. 
          AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB AT GETTING US THOSE ANSWERS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE GIVING 'EM TO US. 
          AND THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO DO IS FOR US TO PUT TOGETHER A DOCUMENT THAT IS THE HANDBOOK ON HOW TO COME AFTER SAWS AND ATTACK SAWS. 
          THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS. 
          AND AND I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, HAVE BEEN VERY MATURE ABOUT IT AND, UH, AND VERY CONSCIENTIOUS, UH, ABOUT OUR MISSION. 
          AND, UM, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, I, I TRULY DO APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I DO WANNA COMMEND, UH, YOU COUNCIL MEMBER AND COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY, BECAUSE BOTH OF Y'ALL TOLD ME SPECIFICALLY, 'CAUSE I ASKED THE QUESTION, UH, OF HOW MUCH DO I HAVE TO PULL BACK, IF AT ALL. 
          UH, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, ITS OWN, UH, E O C, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT C P S ENERGY, AND Y'ALL SAID, DO NOT BE AS OPEN AS YOU CAN. 
          UH, BE AS TRANSPARENT AS YOU CAN. 
          UH, DO NOT HOLD BACK. 
          AND SO OUR ANSWERS, UH, WERE, UH, REFLECTED THAT. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND ADMITTEDLY, SOME OF OUR ANSWERS, UH, INITIALLY WERE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE WERE HIDING, IT'S BECAUSE WE SINCERELY DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME. 
          AND BECAUSE OF Y'ALL'S, UM, UH, PATIENCE, UH, WE FOLLOWED UP WITH THE ACTUAL ANSWERS. 
          JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          I, I'LL HOLD IT FOR, I PASSED THE WITNESS. 
          THAT WAS, I'M SORRY. 
          APPARENTLY YOU, YOU GOT OFF POINT. 
          IT WAS ON A, I DIDN'T WANNA . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UH, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, MANNY ON A LOT OF THOSE POINTS. 
          UM, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          LOOKING BACK AT, STARTING OFF, UM, YOU MENTIONED THREE, I THINK IT WAS THREE PLANS THAT SAS HAS 
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CURRENTLY, THAT WAS BUILT IN 15, I THINK, AND OH, THE, THE RISK AND RESILIENCE PIECE? YES. 
          UH, THERE WAS THE, THE, THE, THE HIRA AND THE, UH, HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, I THINK WERE TWO THAT WERE COMMISSIONED BY THE CITY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          AND THEN, UH, SAWS HAD CONDUCTED THEIR OWN RISK AND RESILIENCE, UH, EVALUATION AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN, UH, SEPARATELY. 
          THAT WAS JUST DONE LAST YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THOSE PLANS TO SEE IF SAWS WAS INDEED FOLLOWING THESE PLANS? OR WHAT IN THESE PLANS WEREN'T BEING FOLLOWED VERSUS WHAT WAS BEING FOLLOWED? THE, I WOULD SAY IN REGARDS TO LIKE THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN THAT THEY HAD FORMALLY DEVELOPED I THIS EVENT, THE, THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED WERE FOR, I WOULD SAY MORE GENERIC EVENTS, UM, SMALLER TYPE EVENTS. 
          THIS THING EXCEEDED THE SCOPE OF WHAT THOSE EVENTS HAD PREDICTED, OR THOSE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS HAD BEEN DEVELOPED AROUND, WHICH WAS WHY WE HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THEY GO BACK AND RE-LOOK AT, UH, REVISING THOSE PLANS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MORE WORK TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL PLANS THEMSELVES. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UM, ON, ON THE ANSWERS THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW STEVE OR ROBERT, UH, UH, ON THE ANSWERS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SO FAR, UM, TO OUR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, UH, WILL Y'ALL BE GOING BACK AND MODIFYING ANY OF THOSE ANSWERS BASED ON, ON THIS REPORT OR WHAT THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE GETTING FROM BLACK AND VEATCH AT THIS POINT? UH, CERTAINLY. 
          UM, YOU HAD ASKED A SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS. 
          I OWE THOSE TO YOU AND WE'LL BE GETTING THOSE TO YOU SHORTLY. 
          UM, OUR PLANS NEED TO BE UPDATED AND OUR ANSWERS NEED TO BE UPDATED BASED ON, ON Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, WE WILL BE PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER. 
          CAN YOU GIMME A DATE ON WHEN YOU THINK YOU'LL HAVE THOSE AMENDED? UM, I'M DIRECTLY AND SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR GETTING THOSE DONE. 
          SO I KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE AN INTERNAL REVIEW OF THAT. 
          I CAN ANTICIPATE MAYBE LATE NEXT WEEK WE WOULD HAVE THOSE FOR YOU. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE UNDER EDICT HERE BY REED TO GET THIS THING ALL DONE BY THE 15TH OF JUNE. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S COMING UP HERE PRETTY QUICK, BUT, UM, YEAH, NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE AND I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ABOUT, AND, AND I SAID THIS AT THE VERY BEGINNING, I THINK OUR FIRST COMMITTEE MEETING WAS, WE'RE NOT GONNA PLAY SOFTBALL ON THIS. 
          WE'RE GONNA CALL IT THE WAY IT IS AND LAY, UH, THOSE ANSWERS OUT THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE. 
          AND THOSE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, OPEN, OPEN BOOK, OPEN TRANSPARENCY AND, AND CALL IT WHAT IT IS AND NOT, NOT BE AFRAID OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS. 
          I APPRECIATE BLACK AND VEATCH AND WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH ON THIS, UH, THIS TASK. 
          AND, UM, LOOKING AT THAT, WHAT I KNOW THIS IS GONNA GO TO THE BOARD, UH, THE ACTUAL REPORT. 
          WILL WE GET A COPY OF THAT REPORT AFTER IT GOES TO THE BOARD? YES, YES, COUNSEL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GREAT. 
          WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, I KNOW THIS, I KNOW THIS IS ALL T B D AT THIS POINT, BUT, UH, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE SASS REACTION TO THE BLACK AND VEATCH REPORT AND REVISING THESE, UM, OTHER REPORTS THAT YOU HAVE, THESE, UM, PREVIOUS STUDIES. 
          WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TIME, UH, CAN YOU GIVE US A TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A YEAR, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD ON THE STEPS THAT Y'ALL WILL BE TAKING TO SHOW THE ACTUAL PLAN AND WHEN YOU EXPECT TO GET PORTIONS DONE ACROSS THE NEXT X YEARS? UM, SO LET ME EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON RELEASING THE PLAN. 
          UM, THERE'S A, A SUMMARY DOCUMENT AND THREE TECHNICAL MANUALS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKED THROUGH BY BLACK AND VEATCH 187 PAGES OF INFORMATION, A LOT OF THOROUGH WORK, A LOT OF ENGINEERING WORK. 
          SOME OF THE TECHNICAL MANUALS ARE, UH, A TERRORIST HANDBOOK, IF YOU WILL. 
          IF WE RELEASE THAT TO THE PUBLIC, YOU WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS CRITICAL TO SASS AND HOW TO INVOLVE THAT STATION. 
          SO SOME OF THAT FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, I'M THE OPERATIONAL GUY. 
          I WOULD NOT WANT THAT TO BE RELEASED PUBLICLY. 
          SO HOW WE CAN, UH, LET YOU REVIEW THOSE REPORTS, IT'S VERY TECHNICAL IN NATURE. 
          UM, WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING THAT OUT, UM, FOR ABUSE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE LEARNED, WELL, I THINK, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A, A TICKING CLOCK CALLED NEXT WINTER. 
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THERE'S ADDITIONAL WINTERIZATION WE NEED TO DO. 
          THERE'S, UH, TRAINING, THERE'S TABLETOP EXERCISES, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, QUICK WIND COMPONENTS THAT WE'VE LEARNED THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF VERY QUICKLY ON THE OUTSIDE EDGE OF IT IS HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE US IF THE DECISION IS MADE TO PUT GENERATORS AT A LOT OF THESE PUMPING STATIONS? AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY OPTION TO TRY TO PROTECT THESE STATIONS. 
          UM, BUT IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT GENERATORS, UH, I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE OF EL PASO. 
          EL PASO WENT THROUGH A FREEZE IN 2011, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WENT THROUGH TODAY. 
          UM, THEY DID A STUDY AND TOOK SOMETHING LIKE NINE OR 10 MONTHS TO COMPLETE THEIR STUDY, AND IN DECEMBER THEY COMMISSIONED THEIR GENERATORS. 
          SO ALMOST 10 YEARS FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF TAKING THE STEP TO MOVE TOWARD GENERATORS. 
          SO THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COULD TAKE. 
          UH, AGAIN, I DON'T SEE US, UH, DOING ONE JUMP OFF THE DIVING BOARD TO PUT GENERATORS EVERYWHERE. 
          I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DOING THAT ON A YEAR BY YEAR BASIS TILL WE BUILD UP TO THE POINT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH REDUNDANCY IN THE SYSTEM TO, UM, TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THE LEVEL OF RISK THAT WE'VE PLANNED OUT IF IT'S A LONGER TERM THAN TWO WEEKS. 
          UM, IF THERE'S OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF, THAT ALL INCREASES THAT LEVEL OF RISK. 
          THE WORK THAT BLACK AND VEATCH HAS DONE IS VERY VALUABLE TO US, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT MEETS THE ENGINEERING STANDARD OF FEASIBILITY. 
          THIS IS NOT A, A PLAN, A DETAILED PLAN, A DESIGN OF ANY KIND. 
          SO WE HAVE MUCH ENGINEERING AND EVALUATION TO DO TO REALLY MAKE THE HARDER DECISIONS GOING FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. 
          MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT AS YOU GET DEEPER INTO PLANNING, YOU FIND MORE ISSUES THAT TYPICALLY DRIVE COST UP. 
          SO WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRANSPARENT IN THAT AND THAT WE'RE, THE MONEY THAT WE WILL SPEND HERE IS BEING SPENT FOR THE, THE HIGHEST AND BEST PUBLIC USE. 
          GREAT. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR ON WHAT THE PLANNING IS GONNA BE FOR THE FUTURE. 
          AND JUST TO GET, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE ONCE, ONCE THIS IS ALL PUT TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE DESIGN PROCESS, BUT SOMETHING, A TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, STARTING HERE TODAY OR WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, IN HOW MANY YEARS IS THAT GONNA TAKE, LIKE I SAID, 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, SHOW THAT TIMELINE WITH WHAT THOSE EXPECTATIONS ARE GONNA BE GOING ACROSS THAT TIMELINE AND WHEN WE CAN, UH, SAY, YEP, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN EVER DO EVERYTHING, BUT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE AND WHEN THE EXPECTATION IS FOR THOSE TO BE DONE IN THE FUTURE HERE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          GOOD, GOOD JOB. 
          GOOD, GOOD INFORMATION. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE REPORT, THE PORTIONS THAT WE CAN SEE. 
          AND, UH, ANDY, I GUESS WORKING WITH THEM ON, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BE RELEASED AND WHAT CAN'T BE RELEASED, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          LOOKING, LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, STEVE. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          WELCOME. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT, SIR. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, STEVEN, IF YOU COULD STAY UP, PLEASE. 
          I HAD A, I THINK MY FIRST QUESTION, UH, YOU CAN ANSWER, AND IT'S A FOLLOW ON I THINK TO THIS SORT OF LAST DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING. 
          I LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE REPORT, RISK AND RESILIENCE, AND I THINK THIS REALLY IS ABOUT RISK AND HOW MUCH RISK WE WANT TO TRY TO MITIGATE IS A COMMUNITY. 
          AND ULTIMATELY IT WILL, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THE, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT, THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY RESOURCE INTENSIVE, THE, THE RESOURCES WILL BE INVOLVED IN THIS. 
          AND, AND YOU HAD MADE SORT OF A, A COMMENT THAT, UM, THIS EVENT SORT OF CHANGES THE PLANNING CALCULUS MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, AND MY QUESTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WAS A PLANNING CALCULUS BASED ON THE PROBABILITY OF AN EVENT LIKE THIS TAKING PLACE. 
          AND UH, ESSENTIALLY IT APPEARS AS THOUGH, BECAUSE THE LIKELIHOOD OF AN EVENT LIKE THIS WAS SO LOW, IT WAS OUTSIDE THE PLANNING PARAMETERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING. 
          UM, AND SO NOW THAT WE'VE HAD AN EVENT, IT, IT, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT THE SORT OF ENTERING ARGUMENT HERE ABOUT AN EVENT LIKE THIS STILL BEING AN OUTLIER EVENT, YOU KNOW, IT, UM, CHANGE IS SORT OF THE CALCULUS OTHER THAN WE HAD AN OUTLIER EVENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE NEXT EVENT MIGHT BE 200 YEARS AWAY. 
          AND, AND SO I'M JUST SORT OF INTERESTED IN YOUR OWN SORT OF PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT THAT HAS NOW CHANGED IN THE, AFTER THE EVENT TO SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, UH, 
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UNLESS SOMETHING'S CHANGED IN, IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE, THE SORT OF, UH, LIKELIHOOD OF A SUBSEQUENT TAKING PLACE. 
          WHAT, WHAT SORT OF HAS CHANGED IN YOUR OWN MIND THAT SAYS WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS DIFFERENTLY? IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. 
          I, I THINK I DO. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT THAT THIS HAS CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE ON, UM, WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS, UH, SACROSANCT THE ABILITY TO, UM, FOR C P S TO PROVIDE POWER CITYWIDE THROUGH ALL TYPES OF EVENTS. 
          AND THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB AT THAT. 
          THEY'VE DONE SO GOOD THAT WE, WE OVERLOOKED A RISK THAT WE DIDN'T THINK WAS THERE. 
          UM, THE FEBRUARY FREEZE, I THINK OPENED EVERYONE'S EYES BECAUSE WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN FEBRUARY, I THINK WE WERE SURPRISED THAT IT WAS A FREEZE EVENT THAT EXPOSED US TO, THAT WE MORE LIKELY WOULD HAVE THAT LEVEL OF RISK. 
          I ASSUMED ON A SUMMER EVENT, IF YOU TOOK THE 10 OR 15 DEGREES THAT WE WERE BELOW OUR, OUR SEVERE WINTER EXPERIENCE AND PUT THAT 10 OR 15 DEGREES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE THERMOMETER AND SAID, LET'S SAY WE'RE 10 OR 15 DEGREES ON A, AN EXTREMELY HOT SUMMER OVER WHAT AN EXTREMELY HOT SUMMER IS UNLIKELY, BUT POSSIBLE, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 118, 120 DEGREES FOR FIVE DAYS. 
          THAT WOULD BE WHERE I WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT DO WE HAVE ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE THAT WE HAVE POWER? AND IF WE DID SEE A POWER EVENT, WE CANNOT BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE WATER TO PEOPLE IN A CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THAT AND WHAT WE SEE IN THE NEWS EVERY DAY TODAY, UH, THE COLONIAL PIPELINE, UM, I, I THINK C P S DOES A FANTASTIC JOB, BUT IF WE ALL GOT SURPRISED THAT SOMEHOW A CYBER EVENT HAD DISRUPTED POWER SERVICE, UM, WE NEED TO BE READY FOR THAT. 
          WE, WE CAN SEE THE, THE OCCURRENCE OF THAT SORT OF THING TICKING UP AND UP. 
          BUT MOSTLY WHAT I LEARNED IN THIS EVENT WAS THAT IT'S NOT C P S THAT IS, THIS IS NOT DRIVEN BY C P S, THIS WAS DRIVEN BY ERCOT. 
          AND IF ERCOT, UM, WERE TO LOSE THE TEXAS GRID, WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT THAT'S A STATEWIDE OUTAGE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S SOME RISK THERE THAT I NEVER REALLY ANTICIPATED BEFORE, AND IF THAT DID OCCUR THAT THERE COULD BE A LONG-TERM POWER OUTAGE BEFORE STATEWIDE, BEFORE WE CAN GET THE SYSTEM BACK OPERATIONAL, THAT JUST MADE ME, UM, REALLY THINK BACK ON WHAT WOULD WE DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT. 
          AND IT MOVED ME, UM, OVER INTO THE CAMP OF WE NEED TO HAVE SOME GENERATORS AND TO COVER THAT BASE JUST IN CASE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND LET ME SORT OF FOLLOW UP BY, BY SAYING, AND I THINK YOUR LAST COMMENT ABOUT SORT OF ERCOT THEN DOWN TO C P S AND THEN INTO SAWS WITH RESPECT TO THE IMPACT OF POWER, ONE OF THE HEADLINES TO ME OF, OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY HAS BEEN THAT THE WATER SYSTEM WOULD HAVE FUNCTIONED SATISFACTORILY DURING THE WINTER EVENT IF WE HAD NOT HAD THE ASSOCIATED POWER EVENT. 
          AND IF I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT, YOU NEED TO, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO BE CORRECTED. 
          SO, SO I, I DO THINK THAT MOVING FORWARD THIS ISSUE OF HOW MUCH WE WANT TO SPEND ON WHAT I WOULD CALL A DOWNSTREAM EVENT, MEANING THE LOSS OF POWER, THEN CAUSING THE LOSS OF WATER MM-HMM. 
           AND TRYING TO MITIGATE THE LOSS OF WATER BY PUTTING POWER, BACKUP POWER GENERATORS IN THE WATER SYSTEM, VERSUS SORT OF ADDRESSING THE UPSTREAM EVENT AND MAKING THAT MORE RESILIENT MM-HMM. 
           PUTTING THE 200 TO 500 TO $800 MILLION INTO THE POWER SYSTEM SO THAT YOU DON'T, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE THE POWER BECAUSE YOU'RE ALMOST GONNA PAY YOU. 
          YOU COULD SEE WHERE WE COULD PAY DOUBLE HERE, RIGHT? WE, WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE THE POWER SYSTEM RESILIENT ENOUGH TO, UH, NOT FAIL DURING AN EVENT LIKE THIS AND ALSO SPEND MONEY ON THE WATER SYSTEM THAT WE DON'T NEED BECAUSE THE POWER'S NEVER GONNA FAIL, RIGHT. 
          SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SORT OF THE INTEGRATED SOLUTION HERE. 
          AND I DO THINK IT WILL BE IMPORTANT AS A COMMUNITY THAT WE LOOK AT THE, THE PICTURE HERE AND WHERE WE CAN APPLY OUR RESOURCES UPSTREAM SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THE DOWNSTREAM PROBLEMS. AND I DON'T, MAYBE THAT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE YOUR, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING MONEY INTO GENERATORS. 
          I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR SORT OF, 
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YOU KNOW, SENSE OF WHAT I JUST SAID, UM, THAT'S INSIGHTFUL. 
          UM, ONE OF MY COMMENTS TO THE LEGISLATURE WAS, WHY DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE WATER COMPANY BECOME THE ELECTRICAL COMPANY WHEN THE ELECTRICAL COMPANY CAN'T PROVIDE SERVICE? UM, WE ARE TALKING WITH C P S ABOUT, NOT JUST GENERATORS, BUT A NUMBER OF WAYS THAT WE CAN FURTHER PROTECT, UH, POWER TO PUMPING STATIONS DURING, UM, LARGE EVENTS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GENERATORS IS MAKE IT TO WHERE THERE'S A, A, A A, UM, A BENEFIT TO BOTH UTILITIES. 
          IF WE PUT 75 OR A HUNDRED, OR LET'S SAY THE WASTEWATER SYSTEMS ARE INCLUDED TOO, WE PUT 175 MEGAWATTS OF POWER THROUGH SAN ANTONIO, UM, ON GENERATORS. 
          WE'LL, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT POWER BE USED TO CPSS BENEFIT DURING OTHER PEAK DEMAND PERIODS. 
          IF WE'RE GONNA GENERATE THAT MUCH POWER AND WE HAVE TO RUN THOSE GENERATORS DURING EVERY MONTH THAT NO EVENT IS OCCURRING, LET'S PUT THAT BACK ON THE GRID AND GET A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR DEVELOPING THAT. 
          SO WE ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH C P S TO MAKE SURE, AGAIN, THAT WE GET TO THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS. 
          IT'S THERE TO BACK UP THE WATER SYSTEM, UH, WHEN WE NEED IT FOR THE WATER SYSTEM, BUT IT REALLY IS GOING TO THE BENEFIT OF C P S AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY THE ENTIRE REST OF THE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IS THERE, UM, JUST THE ASSUMPTION THAT I JUST MADE ABOUT THE, THE, THE WATER SYSTEM WOULD'VE FUNCTIONED CONTINUED TO FUNCTION IN THIS EVENT. 
          IS THERE SOME LEVEL AT WHICH THE WATER SYSTEM BECOMES AN INDEPENDENT SYSTEM WITH RESPECT TO A COLD WEATHER EVENT? IN OTHER WORDS, THE TEMPERATURE GETS SO COLD THAT EVEN IF YOU HAD POWER, IT WOULD START TO AFFECT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE WATER SYSTEM? OR IS THAT SO MUCH OF AN OUTLIER EVENT THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT? SO WE LOST SERVICE BECAUSE OF POWER OUTAGES. 
          UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M HAPPY WITH HOW WE PERFORMED. 
          WE HAD A NUMBER OF, UM, AREAS IN TOWN WHERE WE STILL HAD WATER SERVICE PEOPLE COULD STILL OPEN THEIR VALVES, BUT AS BLACK AND VEATCH UH, MENTIONED, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PRESSURE AND THE DEMAND WAS SO HIGH THROUGH THAT WINTER EVENT, WE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE WITH THEIR FAUCETS WIDE OPEN TRYING TO KEEP FROM FREEZING THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, THEIR OWN PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT THAT DEMAND WAS LOWERING OUR PRESSURE. 
          AND, UM, I WANT TO DO BETTER WITH THAT. 
          WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO, TO, TO DO BETTER WITH THAT. 
          BUT THE AREAS WHERE WE INDEED LOST SERVICE IS, IS BECAUSE OF THE POWER OUTAGE. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE WE WOULD'VE LOST SERVICE TO ANY PART OF TOWN IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THROUGH SOME SORT OF A ROTATING POWER OUTAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MY LAST QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE E O C. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS MENTIONED VERBALLY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT REALLY ON ANY OF THE SLIDES AND I DIDN'T HEAR YOU REALLY TALK ABOUT OTHER THAN SORT OF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BULLETS, THEY KIND OF REFERRED TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE E O C, BUT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE INTERFACE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY BETWEEN SAWS AND C P S, BUT THE INTERFACE THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE EMERGENCY OPERATING CENTER, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF ASSESSMENT DID YOU MAKE ABOUT THAT? YOU'RE IN SPECIFICALLY THE SAWS EMERGENCY OPERATING CENTER? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO EMERGENCY OPERATING. 
          SO OUR EVALUATION DIDN'T GO INTO THE COORDINATION WITH THE CITY E O C. 
          IT WAS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THE SAWS, E O C DIRECTLY. 
          UM, I KNOW SAWS HAS A, I MEAN, THROUGH OUR EVALUATION, THROUGH OUR ASSESSMENT, WE KNOW THERE SAWS HAS AN EMERGENCY MANAGER AND THERE WAS COORDINATION, UH, WITH THE CITY E O C. 
          BUT, UH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE DETAILS OF, OF THAT COORDINATION. 
          ARE YOU ALL DOING SOMETHING ON THAT, STEVEN? UH, YES, WE ARE. 
          I, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, PRIOR TO THE EVENT, OUR EMERGENCY MANAGER CONTACTED THE CITY E O C AND SAID, DO YOU WANT US TO COME OVER? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO. 
          WE POSITIONED OUR EMERGENCY MANAGER IN OUR E O C THROUGH THE EVENT, AND SHE, HER, HER NAME IS JACKIE SILVA, WORKED THROUGH THE EVENT COMMUNICATING WITH THE CITY E O C ON WHAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING AND, AND WHAT THEY CAN EXPERIENCE EXPECT. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WORKED REALLY WELL, MUCH BETTER THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED. 
          NORMALLY, WHAT WE PRACTICED OVER TIME, AS WE GO OVER TO THE CITY'S E O C AND THEY ASK HER QUESTIONS, AND THEN SHE CALLS BACK INTO SAS TO ALL OF OUR MANAGEMENT OR, OR TECHNICAL EXPERTS GETTING ANSWERS, I THOUGHT IT WAS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE FOR HER TO BE RIGHT THERE IN THE ROOM WORKING WITH US, BECAUSE SHE'S THINKING AND LIVING REAL TIME WITH EVERYTHING WE'RE EXPERIENCING AND CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS COMING IN MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY. 
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I'VE PROPOSED THAT TO CHIEF ZEPEDA, UH, JAMES MENDOZA, TO SAY, HEY, WE, WE LIKED THE WAY THIS WORKED. 
          IT SEEMED TO WORK BETTER. 
          THEY ARE, I THINK, ACCEPTING OF THAT, PROVIDED WE STILL HAVE SOMEONE IN THE CITY, U O C WHO CAN OPEN UP THE DESKTOP AND GIVE THEM A REAL TIME VIEW OF HOW OUR SYSTEM IS PERFORMING. 
          SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE LEARNED IS, UM, SORT OF A HYBRID MODEL ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN PRACTICING IN THE PAST, IS WE WON'T HAVE OUR EMERGENCY MANAGER THERE, BUT WE WILL HAVE, UH, TECHNICAL PEOPLE THERE THAT CAN SHOW YOU WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGER WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I THINK MORE EFFECTIVELY THAT WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, REED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. KLAUS AND TEAM, I, I HAVE A QUESTION, AND I'LL START OFF FIRST WITH THE, I THINK THE EASY ONE. 
          HOW MANY PRIMARY PUMP STATIONS DO WE HAVE? CAN YOU REMIND ME? UH, I THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE 30 PRIMARY PUMP STATIONS. 
          SO, UM, JUST FOR THE GROUP, DO, UM, DO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT A PRIMARY PUMP STATION IS VERSUS A SECONDARY PUMP STATION? SO, A PRIMARY PUMP STATION IS WHERE WE HAVE, UM, WELLS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO TANKS THAT GO INTO HIGH SERVICE PUMPS THAT PUSH THAT WATER OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          A SECONDARY PUMP STATION IS WHERE YOU HAVE A WELL THAT PUSHES DIRECTLY OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TANKS AND OTHER BLENDING FACILITIES, UH, IN BETWEEN. 
          THANK YOU, MR. KLAUS. 
          AND THEN OF THOSE, HOW MANY, UM, I, I GUESS WHEN, IF YOU'RE THINKING IN TERMS OF PRIMARY PUMP STATIONS, HOW MANY OF THOSE ACTUALLY POWER CRITICAL FACILITIES AND RESIDENTIAL COMPLEXES? WELL, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHEN YOU GET INTO THE RESIDENTIAL ARENA, YES, THERE'S RESIDENCE. 
          OH, I'M SO SORRY. 
          APARTMENT COMPLEXES. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, UM, SO, UH, HIGH DENSITY, UM, MULTI-LEVEL. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE TIED TO APARTMENT COMPLEXES, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET PROBABLY ALL AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT WE UPDATED THE CRITICAL FACILITIES FOR THE PUBLIC UTILITY CODE? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE ALLOWED TO UPDATE THOSE AS, AS, UH, NEEDED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THERE'S NOT A ONLY ONCE A YEAR, ET CETERA. 
          SO I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW OFTEN THAT LIST OF CRITICAL FACILITIES IS, ESPECIALLY AS NEW SENIOR, UM, UH, FACILITIES COME OUT DURING OUR, YOU KNOW, IN OUR CITY. 
          AND SO, BUT I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          SO I, I HADN'T ASKED THAT QUESTION AND I WAS WONDERING IF I WOULD SEE IT IN, CERTAINLY IN SOME OF THE ANSWERS, BUT THEN THE NEXT ONE IS WHO, UM, SO IN, IN THE CITY'S RISK MITIGATION PLAN, THERE'S TWO POSITIONS THAT ARE AWARE, FULLY AWARE OF THE RISK MITIGATION PLAN, APPROVE IT. 
          UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REVIEWED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, SOMETIMES MORE. 
          UM, THERE'S TWO POSITIONS FROM SASS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT, THE ASSISTANT ENGINEER AND THE CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER. 
          AND SO, UM, IS THAT STILL TRUE? DOES THAT STILL HOLD TRUE? I'M, I'M ASSUMING YOU, YOU, YOU ARE STILL THERE, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR ASSISTANT ENGINEER? WELL, THE TWO POSITIONS THAT YOU REFERENCED ARE, ARE LISTED IN THE 2015 HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN. 
          UM, THOSE WERE THE PEOPLE THAT, UM, WERE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WORK OF THE PLAN. 
          I WAS LISTED, I WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PLANNING DAY. 
          WHEN WE UPDATE OUR PLANNING EFFORTS, THE, THE, THE TWO PRIMARY POSITIONS THAT WE'LL REVIEW AND APPROVE IT, OF COURSE, OUR EMERGENCY MANAGER AND MYSELF, UM, OBVIOUSLY MR. PUENTE AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT TEAM WILL HAVE REVIEW AND INPUT ON THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT WE'RE THE TWO THAT SIGNED THE DOCUMENT AS WE UPDATE IT CURRENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, UM, SO IN THE REVIEWS AND THE C, THE E O C IS PROVIDING TO US DATES OF WHEN THE LAST REVIEWS WERE. 
          WE KNOW THAT THEY HAD BEEN MEETING SOME SOMEWHAT REGULARLY BECAUSE THEY HAD TO SUBMIT TO FEMA A REVISED PLAN BY END OF LAST YEAR SO THAT WE COULD APPROVE, OR SO THAT THEY COULD APPROVE AND THEN BRING TO THE COUNCIL. 
          UM, BUT DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHO WAS REVIEWING THOSE ANNUAL PLANS ON BEHALF OF SAS? I DO NOT KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK, UM, I KNOW THAT I WAS NOT INDIVIDUALLY REVIEWING, SO IF THEY WERE BEING REVIEWED BY THE, UM, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STAFF, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN DID YOU ALL, AND SO IN 2015 WHEN THE RISK MITIGATION WAS APPROVED, UH, RISK MITIGATION PLAN WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, THERE WAS THREE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE, THAT MENTIONED, SA SPECIFICALLY. 
          UM, THERE WERE ACTUALLY ACTION ITEMS. SO ACTION ITEM NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER SIX, NUMBER 1, 31. 
          I THINK YOU ALL HAVE DONE A, A GREAT JOB OF ACTION ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND ACTION ITEM NUMBER 31 AND, UM, CONSERVING WATER FOR DROUGHT. 
          AND SO I, I SEE THAT MESSAGE PUSHED REGULARLY. 
          SO CONGRATULATIONS. 
          I THINK THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE, UH, INGRAINED THAT IN, IN PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS HOW WE PREPARE. 
          SO, GREAT JOB THERE. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX, THOUGH, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT SAUCE PURCHASE BACKUP GENERATORS BETWEEN 2015 AND 2020, HOW MANY GENERATORS WERE PURCHASED BECAUSE, AND, AND THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED 
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EARLIER THAT AFTER A WHILE, AFTER THINKING ABOUT THIS AND LOOKING AT, I GUESS AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGING, UM, THINGS THAT HAPPENED, YOU DIDN'T RECOMMEND THAT. 
          SO HOW, HOW MANY WERE PURCHASED OR WERE, WERE NONE PURCHASED AT ALL? WE HAVE NOT PURCHASED, WE'VE EVALUATED, UM, LOCATING, UH, GENERATORS WITH C P S AT SPECIFIC LOCATIONS. 
          BUT WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT BASED ON THE EMERGENCY CRITERIA THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, THE, THE COST WAS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THE REPORT HAD PROJECTED. 
          AND, AND BECAUSE OF THE REDUNDANCY, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN OUR REPORT, YEAH. 
          WE HAVE SUCH A REDUNDANT SYSTEM, UM, THAT WE CAN PROVIDE WATER FROM MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. 
          AT THE TIME, WE SAID WE, WE NEED TO APPROACH THIS VERY CAREFULLY. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO FIND, UH, A MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO PUT THOSE GENERATORS IN PLACE. 
          AND WE HAD NOT FOUND IT YET. 
          UM, HOW MUCH WERE, WERE, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I THINK, UH, MS. BURLEY MENTIONED SHE DOESN'T WANNA GET STUCK ON PRICE. 
          SO WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS IT THAT WE HAD SAID IN THIS? OR? I, I THINK IT WAS ON ONE OF THE SLIDES. 
          UM, PER GENERATOR. 
          PER GENERATOR. 
          UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION, BECAUSE EVERY LOCATION HAS A DIFFERENT SIZE OF GENOR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, WE LOOKED AT, WE LOOKED AT OUR WORST BOX PUMP STATION IN PARTICULAR, WHICH IS, UH, RIGHT AT BANDURA ROAD AND FOUR 10, UM, THAT PARTICULAR STATION, THE GENERATOR FOR THAT SITE WAS $10 MILLION. 
          WOW, OKAY. 
          AND, AND WE'VE NEVER HAD A POWER LOSS AT THAT STATION, SO, UM, WE, WE DIDN'T THINK IT APPROPRIATE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND SO THAT, THAT ACTUALLY LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          SO THE ESTIMATED COST IN THERE WAS 875,000 PER UNIT, WHICH SEEMS TO BE EN ENTIRELY OFF UN UNLESS I'M, I'M, I'M MISUNDERSTANDING SOMETHING, BUT WHEN, WHEN WAS, UM, SO, SO WHEN, WHEN YOU ALL DECIDED NOT TO RECOMMEND OR NOT TO BUY THE GENERATORS, WHEN OR HOW WAS LEADERSHIP INFORMED OF THE DECISION TO ABANDON THAT RECOMMENDATION IN, IN THE RISK MITIGATION PLAN? WELL, I CAN'T SAY WE HAD ABANDONED THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE WERE WORKING WITH C P SS TO FIND A WAY THAT WE COULD DO IT MORE COST EFFECTIVELY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WOULD RATHER WORK HARD TO GET TO THE RIGHT ANSWER THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS APPROVABLE BY THIS GROUP THAN TO COME IN WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MORE THAN 10 TIMES GREATER THAN A REPORT SAID TO, BECAUSE THE REPORT SAID TO. 
          SURE. 
          SO WHO WAS MADE AWARE THAT THERE WAS DEVIATION FROM THE RECOMMENDATION, AND WHEN, WHO WAS MADE AWARE OF WHAT, OF THE DEVIATION FROM THAT RECOMMENDATION? FROM THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION, UM, I PARTICULARLY AM PROBABLY THE MOST RESPONSIBLE. 
          I CAN'T SAY THAT I'VE GONE TO ROBERT OR ANYONE IN SAS TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION IN THE PLAN, AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. 
          UM, I SAID, WE'RE WORKING ON ACH. 
          IT'S A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE HAD EVER ANTICIPATED IT TO BE. 
          AND AT THAT POINT, I CAN'T SAY WE'VE STOPPED DOING ANYTHING. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SAY, WHAT IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS? GOT IT. 
          THERE ARE OPTIONS OUTSIDE OF GENERATORS, LET'S NOT OVERFOCUS ON A GENERATOR. 
          UM, C P SS HAS THIS WONDERFUL A M I SYSTEM, AUTOMATED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THEY CAN TURN ANYBODY AT THIS TABLE OFF FROM THEIR CONTROL CENTER, HIT A BUTTON, AND YOU NO LONGER HAVE POWER. 
          WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO IS NEXT TIME WE GO THROUGH AN EVENT LIKE THAT, AND C P S HAS A CIRCUIT THAT HAS TWO PUMPING STATIONS ON IT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY TURN EVERYBODY ELSE OFF, BUT LEAVE THOSE TWO PUMPING STATIONS ON. 
          THAT'S A LOT CHEAPER THAN BUILDING A BIG GENERATOR OUT THERE. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM IF THE GRID FAILS. 
          SO IT'S THE WHAT IS THE STANDARD THAT WE NEED TO PLAN AROUND AND, AND MAKE GOOD INTELLIGENT DECISIONS TO MEET THAT STANDARD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, THE REASON THAT I WAS ASKING WHO WAS MADE AWARE, UM, SO, SO, UH, THE, UM, THE RISK MITIGATION PLAN WAS PASSED, LIKE I SAID, BY, BY A FULL COUNSEL IN 2015. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. 
          WHEN, WHEN DOES THAT, UM, RECOMMENDATION SAYING, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, GENERATORS ARE NOT THE WAY TO GO. 
          MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          LIKE WHEN, WHEN DO, DOES LEADERSHIP GET, GET MADE AWARE OF THAT? LIKE, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT, I GUESS, CROSS AGENCY, RIGHT? SO LIKE, WHEN DO WE REACH OUT TO C P S AND SAY, HEY, THERE'S THIS GREAT TECHNOLOGY NOW. 
          OR, HEY, CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S THIS AWESOME TECHNOLOGY, SO WE WANNA DEVIATE FROM, FROM THIS OR MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AS PROFESSIONALS C COUNCILWOMAN, UH, WE DO, UH, ON A REGULAR BASIS COMMUNICATE WITH BEN GELLE AND HIS TEAM ABOUT WHAT OUR BUDGET, UH, SAYS. 
          UH, AND IT HAS NOT SAID, BUY AND SPEND MULTIMILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THESE GENERATORS. 
          SO INDIRECTLY, THAT'S HOW BEN WOULD KNOW. 
          AND PRESUMABLY THAT'S HOW THE REST OF COUNCIL WILL KNOW. 
          UH, AS STEVE MENTIONED, UH, HE DOES NOT GO TO THE EXTENT OF, UH, LETTING ME KNOW OR LETTING, AND THEREFORE ME LETTING THE BOARD KNOW THAT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SITUATION, AND HE USED THE EXAMPLE OF THE WORST P PUMP STATION, UH, COST A WHOLE LOT MORE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE REFERRING, UH, TO, TO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, THIS IS THE ONE 
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YOU'RE REFERRING TO, CORRECT? YES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WAS FOR A WINTER EVENT WHERE THE MAXIMUM DEGREES WAS, UH, 30 TO 50 DEGREES, WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE EXPERIENCED. 
          AND SO, AS STEVE HAS MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE FOUND IT MUCH MORE, UM, COST EFFECTIVE, RELIABLE, AND THEREFORE, UH, SERVING OUR CUSTOMERS TO RELY ON C P S BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN SO RELIABLE. 
          UH, THIS WINTER EVENT WAS STATEWIDE, WAS NOT NECESSARILY JUST C P S, IT WAS ERCOT, AND IT WAS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, NATURAL GRASS, THE, THE PRICING, ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THIS HAPPENED, UH, TO US. 
          AND AS, UH, UH, YOU MENTIONED ED, IF I MAY CALL YOU ED, BECAUSE REID SAID, CALL HIM REED , ALTHOUGH I HAVEN'T HAD THE PLEASURE OF FORMALLY MEETING YOU, UH, THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECT. 
          AND SO SHOULD WE SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT MAY NEVER HAPPEN. 
          AND IF C P SS IS GOING TO HANDLE THE I THEIR ISSUES BECAUSE ERCOT HAS TO HANDLE THEIR ISSUES, THEN THEY, OUR DOWNSTREAM OUR PROBLEMS ALSO GET SOLVED. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND, AND I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, AND I, AND I THINK YOU HAVE THE LIGHT VERSION OF THE RISK MITIGATION PLAN. 
          I, I HAVE THE 377 NO, I, I HAVE THAT I, I JUST PULLED OH, OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          WAS LIKE, THAT LOOKS REALLY THIN. 
          I JUST PULLED OUT THE ONES THAT, UH, OKAY. 
          YOU'VE BEEN MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT. 
          GOOD. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO IN, IN THAT, IT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE STRONGER. 
          AND SO IT ACTUALLY REFERENCES, UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S NINE DEGREE WEATHER. 
          AND I'M, I'M TRYING TO LOOK FOR IT. 
          UM, BUT IT, IT DOES TALK ABOUT WINTER EVENTS SPECIFICALLY. 
          AND SO I, I GUESS MY, MY FINAL QUESTION IS, UM, W IS THERE THEN A RECOMMENDATION TO, TO UPDATE THAT? IS THERE, UH, I'M, I'M ASSUMING IT'S BEEN UPDATED ALREADY WITH THE 20 21 1 THAT'S GONNA BE PRESENTED. 
          WAS THAT ALREADY CORRECTED? OR, OR THE FORGET GENERATORS THAT I'M HEARING TODAY IS NO, NOBODY'S SAYING FORGET GENERATORS. 
          I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO EDUCATE OUR PUBLIC. 
          AND, UH, MANY ELAS WAS VERY, UH, ON THAT TRACK OF WHAT EXACTLY DOES A GENERATOR MEAN? ALMOST ALL OF OUR PUMP STATIONS HAVE GENERATORS, BUT THE PURPOSE OF THOSE GENERATORS ARE FOR ELECTRICAL SCADA AND THOSE KINDS OF PURPOSES. 
          THEY'RE NOT TO ACTUALLY RUN THE HUGE GIANT PUMPS. 
          UH, AND SO THO SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE OUR PUBLIC KNOWS, UH, WHAT KIND OF GENERATORS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GENERATORS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY RUN THOSE HIGH SERVICE PUMPS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LAND ACQUISITION. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO COORDINATE WITH C P S ENERGY. 
          UH, WE'RE HAVING ABOUT COORDINATE OF SELL, SELLING THE EXCESS POWER TO, TO THE GRID. 
          WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, STORAGE OF FUEL ON SITE, BECAUSE THESE GENERATORS TAKE A, A LOT OF FUEL. 
          SO IF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT, UH, ITEM THAT WE'RE TALKING THAT WE MAY NOT NEED. 
          BECAUSE IF C P SS DOES IS SUCCESSFUL IN ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE ISSUES, AND ERCOT ALSO THEN DOWNSTREAM, UH, A LOT OF IT GETS TAKEN CARE OF ON OUR BEHALF. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND SO, UM, IF, IF YOU CAN MAYBE JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          AND SO I'M THE AVERAGE PERSON, I'M NOT A WATER EXPERT. 
          AND SO, UH, I, I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, ASSUME, OKAY, GO OUT AND BUY A GENERATOR, KINDA LIKE COUNCILMAN PAL SAID EARLIER. 
          AND SO, LOOKING AT IT, I, I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN WHAT, WHAT OTHER INNOVATIVE APPROACHES ARE OUT THERE, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO, TO, TO SEE HOW IT IS THAT WE CAN KIND OF LEVERAGE THAT. 
          WE KNOW THAT, UM, IN, IN THE WINTER STORM, THE MAGNITUDE OF SEVERE WINTER STORMS ADDRESSED THERE, IT, IT TALKS ABOUT BELOW 20 DEGREES, RIGHT? WITH, UM, WINDS OF 35 MILES PER HOUR OR MORE, AND SNOW AND SLEET GREATER THAN FOUR INCHES, RIGHT? SO WE KIND OF HAVE THIS, THIS BASELINE, IF YOU WILL, UM, OR BELOW FREEZING TEMPERATURES, IT REFERENCES, ET CETERA. 
          SO I, I JUST LOVE TO, TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT WE CAN, UM, PROPOSE IN TYPES OF, MAYBE IT'S INNOVATIVE ALTERNATIVES, ET CETERA. 
          THAT, AND AGAIN, SO, UM, I, I'D LOVE TO JUST RE REMIND YOU THAT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S FOLKS THAT, THAT'S ALL THEY THINK ABOUT GENERATORS, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL I, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          SO ANYWAYS, SO THAT WAS IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RE AND IT IS OUR, UH, WE HAVE TO COMMUNICATE THOSE ISSUES TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GEN, THE TWO, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF GENERATORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, ANNA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I, I WANNA THANK THE WHOLE TEAM THAT'S HERE. 
          GO, GO AHEAD, RELAX FOR A MINUTE. 
          I'M GONNA SAY SOME INTRODUCTORY REMARKS AND THEN GET INTO THE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR, BURLEY, FOR BEING HERE. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, UH, BEING HERE. 
          AND I WAS JUST MENTIONING TO THE CHAIR THAT I THINK IT IS SO INSTRUCTIVE AND PRODUCTIVE TO HAVE THE TEAM HERE WITH US. 
          UM, I, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LEVEL OF DIALOGUE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE WHAT THE OTHER 
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TWO ENTITIES QUITE YET. 
          SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE FOLLOW THIS MODEL AS WELL FOR, FOR THE OTHERS. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR COORDINATING THIS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UM, UH, I'M GONNA FOLLOW TO TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS. 
          ONE IS THIS, UM, WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE POWER AND WHERE IS IT COMING FROM AND, AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE PIPE FREEZE ISSUE. 
          UM, SO I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I, THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE, UM, I GUESS WHAT THE, ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS IS, IS I'VE, I'VE HEARD STEVE SAY, AND I, I BELIEVE YOU SAID, IF THE POWER HAD NOT BEEN OUT, SERVICE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, UH, EARLY ON. 
          AND, AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TAKEAWAY FOR US TO, TO HAVE, UH, EARLY ON WHEN YOU SHOWED US THE DIFFERENT, UH, STUDIES THAT HAD BEEN CONDUCTED THAT YEAH, THAT HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN. 
          UH, YOU SAID THAT THEY DID NOT CONSIDER COMBINED EVENTS, BUT NONE OF THOSE WERE POWER OUTAGE EVENTS, I BELIEVE. 
          GO AHEAD, SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE, UH, I DO BELIEVE THEY DID HAVE, UH, POWER EVENTS IN THERE AS, AS FAILURE EVENTS ALONG WITH THE SERIES HURRICANES AND, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. 
          SO IF THEY HAD THE POWER FAILURE EVENTS, WERE THERE ANY LESSONS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN LEARNED FOR? UM, I BELIEVE THE POWER EVENT WAS NOT A WIDESPREAD EVENT. 
          IT WAS NOT A, IT WAS LOCALIZED. 
          I THINK IT WAS MORE ATTRIBUTED TO DOWN LINES THAN IT WAS TO A SUBSTANTIAL EVENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO IF THERE HAD NOT BEEN A WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGE, THEN THIS, UH, THEN WATER SERVICE DELIVERY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN INTERRUPTED AND, AND THE SEWER SYSTEM, SORRY, THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN INTERRUPTED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST, I WANTED TO, TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I UNDERSTOOD THAT. 
          UM, I, I AM WONDERING, OKAY, SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU MADE AT THE END REGARDING, UH, INVESTING $200 MILLION IN, IN GENERATION, AND, AND STEVE WAS SAYING IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A LOT MORE IF WE DID IT, AND I, I, I'M WITH MR. KLAUS HERE ON, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          IF THE, IF THE UTILITY, IF THE ELECTRICITY UTILITY CAN'T PROVIDE IT, WHY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT US? WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULD WE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR PROVIDING IT, I THINK IS, OR IT SEEMS EXTREME, RIGHT? THAT YOU HAVE TO BECOME YOUR OWN UTILITY COMPANY, BASICALLY YOUR OWN POWER COMPANY. 
          WE'RE GOOD AT WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          UM, I THINK C P S IS MUCH MORE CAPABLE THAN WE ARE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GENERATING AT THOSE LEVELS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AGREED. 
          AND, UM, AND I'M ALSO WITH, WITH GENERAL RICE, I THINK THAT'S A VERY EXTREME SOLUTION. 
          UH, WE, WE MAY END UP HAVING TO GET THERE, BUT I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE STEPS BEFORE THERE, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THEM IS C P S FIXES, ITS WHOLE PROP. 
          ERCOT FIXES EVERYTHING. 
          C P S FIXES EVERYTHING. 
          THAT'S STILL, IT'S STILL GONNA BE A WHILE BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK IF C P S MAKE SOME CHANGES, THERE'S, WE MIGHT STILL HAVE SOME RISK, BUT LET'S EVALUATE WHAT THAT RISK IS. 
          I WOULD SAY BEFORE INVESTING IN SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, 500 TO $800 MILLION, THE, THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION I WOULD MAKE IS, OR, OR LET ME ASK, HAVE YOU CON, DID YOU TALK TO C P S ABOUT PUTTING SOME OF THESE PUMPING STATIONS ON THEIR, ON DIFFERENT CIRCUITS FOR C P S? LET HIM ANSWER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF, IF I COULD COMMENT ON A COMMENT YOU MADE JUST RIGHT BEFORE YOUR QUESTION. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT NOW, THE LEGISLATURE'S DEBATING SENATE BILL THREE, SENATE BILL THREE, WOULD REQUIRE US TO GET GENERATIONS, GENERATIONS THAT WOULD, UH, DO THIS. 
          AND THE LOOK ON YOUR FACE IS THE SAME LOOK ON OUR FACE THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH THEM, TRYING TO GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THAT, UH, OUR PARTICULAR ISSUES, UH, AND, AND THE REST OF THE STATE. 
          THANK YOU FOR, FOR CLARIFYING THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING THIS MORNING. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I'LL, I'LL ADD TO ROBERT'S COMMENT IN ONE YEAR IS THE OBLIGATION OF THE SENATE BILL THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. 
          IT'S JUST TOTALLY IMPRACTICAL. 
          UM, EVEN IF, IF WE HAD NO LIMIT ON MONEY, I DON'T THINK WE COULD LAND THE SYSTEMS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO, UM, WITH ANY TYPE OF, UH, PROFESSIONAL PLANNING IN THAT SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME. 
          SO THE QUESTION YOU ASKED WAS, HAVE WE TALKED WITH C P S ABOUT PUTTING THESE PUMPING STATIONS ON DIFFERENT CIRCUITS? OUR, OUR MOST CRITICAL PUMPING STATIONS, AND IT'LL BE IN THE TECHNICAL MANUALS THAT I TALKED ABOUT AS PART OF THE BLACK AND VEATCH WORK. 
          WE HAVE TALKED WITH THEM ABOUT THAT. 
          AND IN SOME OF OUR STATIONS, WE PUT THEM ON MORE THAN ONE CIRCUIT. 
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SO IF A CIRCUIT GOES DOWN, THEY CAN JUST INSTANTLY FEED US FROM A DIFFERENT CIRCUIT. 
          THAT'S ALL THAT INTERCONNECTEDNESS AND REDUNDANCY THAT I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE. 
          SO, SO THERE YOU'VE REQUESTED THAT, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE DURING THE WINTER STORM? NO, SOME OF OUR SYSTEMS ARE ON MORE THAN ONE CIRCUIT, BUT WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE ROLLING BROWN OUTS, THEY WERE IMPACTING ONE OF THE OTHER CIRCUIT ENOUGH TO WHERE, OR BOTH CIRCUITS AT ONE TIME, WHERE WE COULDN'T SUSTAIN. 
          NOT EVERY SIZE PUMPING STATION WAS TAKEN OUT. 
          I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, THANK GOODNESS. 
          THE MEDICAL CENTER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TWO OR THREE FACILITIES, AND I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE DETAILS OF WHICH IS WHICH, BUT THEY DID PROTECT THOSE, OR THEY WERE ON TWO CIRCUITS TO WHERE IF ONE OF THE CIRCUITS WENT DOWN, WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THROUGH ANOTHER. 
          SO, SO IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT ALL OF THOSE PUMPING STATIONS ON THE, UM, THE CIRCUITS THAT DON'T GET INTERRUPT. 
          I'M SORRY, I FORGET THE NAME. 
          NOT THE UNINTERRUPTIBLE, THE CRITICAL, THE, THE CRITICAL, RIGHT. 
          THE CRITICAL CIRCUITS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE WE HAVE NOT, UM, EXPLORED THAT IN COMPLETE DEPTH. 
          UM, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T ANSWER THE, THE GRID WIDE FAIL IF WE HAD THAT. 
          SO IT'S THE LE AGAIN, WE KEEP GOING BACK TO WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF RISK THAT WE WANT TO BE PLANNING TOWARD. 
          AND, UM, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED TO WORK WITH C P S AS WELL ON MULTIPLE FEEDS FOR OUR MOST CRITICAL STATIONS IDENTIFIED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK WHAT I'M MISSING IS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE YOU NEED POWER. 
          SO I I AM UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU ONLY NEED IT AT THE PUMPING STATIONS. 
          UM, WELL, WE NEEDED IT, ESSENTIALLY 64. 
          UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 80 PUMPING STATIONS IN TOTAL. 
          OKAY. 
          64 OF THOSE, I THINK 63. 
          AND THEN I HAVE THE H TWO OAKS ISSUE THAT I'M STILL GONNA ARGUE ABOUT. 
          SO ABOUT 64 OF OUR STATIONS ARE CONSIDERED CRITICAL. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT OF, UM, SITES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH. 
          SO IF THE POWER DID NOT GO OUT AT ANY OF THOSE SITES, PEOPLE WOULD STILL HAVE HAD SERVICE. 
          I BELIEVE WE WOULD'VE HAD SERVICE TO, UH, IT WOULD'VE BEEN AT A LOWER PRESSURE, BUT WE WOULD'VE CONTINUED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WATER. 
          PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO BUCKET WATER TO FLUSH THEIR TOILETS AND DO THAT SORT OF THING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS, IS THAT AN OPTION TO EXPLORE ENSURING THAT THOSE 64 LOCATIONS ARE ON A CRITICAL CIRCUIT? I, I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          WE SHOULD LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON A SINGLE CIRCUIT IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING, UH, ON THOSE 64, CAN WE GET DUAL FEEDS FROM SEPARATE CIRCUITS TO EACH OF THOSE 64 STATIONS, I BELIEVE IS THE QUESTION. 
          ? NO, THAT MAY BE THE, THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          MY QUESTION IS, CAN YOU JUST MAKE SURE THOSE DON'T GET SHUT DOWN BY, BY C P S, THAT THEY ARE PRIORITIZED MM-HMM. 
           OH, OF COURSE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OPERATIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE NEED THEM TO OPERATE IN THAT MANNER AS WELL AS ENGINEERING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S A MATTER OF COORDINATION, BUT ALSO THE, THE TECHNOLOGICAL, UH, ABILITY AND POSSIBLY SOME KIND OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND BE OPERATIONAL EXECUTION. 
          OH. 
          OH. 
          SO THEY WOULD NEED TO BE DIRECTED BY THEIR BOARD, BUT I THINK IF THAT'S, AND, AND HAVE THE MONEY TO DO ALL THAT. 
          BUT IF THAT IS A, SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE ON BOARD WITH, THEN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALSO RECOMMEND, UH, TO THEM. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT PAUL, RUDY AND FRANK ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE BRIEFING OUR BOARD ON THE EIGHTH AS TO EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THAT REPORT, AND THAT THEY WILL GET THOSE 64 STATIONS RIGHT AFTER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION BY, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT YOUR NAME, BUT  ARE PERFORMING VERY GINGERLY THIS MORNING BECAUSE I HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT HAS NOT SEEN THIS REPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEY ASKED FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO OUR, WE DON'T NEED IT UNTIL JUNE 8TH. 
          OH, MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, ROBERT HAS AN INITIATIVE HE HAS TO FISCAL YEAR, I'M SORRY, I WAS SAYING THAT OUR, THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE YOU TODAY ARE, ARE REALLY DANCING AROUND BECAUSE THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR SAS HAS NOT SEEN THIS REPORT. 
          THEY, THEY SAW THE SUMMARY THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED THIS MORNING. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT SCHEDULED TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD UNTIL JUNE 8TH, SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN THE WORK WITH STAFF TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM A RESILIENCY PLANNING STANDARD GOING FORWARD. 
          ROBERT HAS IT AS A PART OF HIS INITIATIVES TO COMPLETE FOR THE BOARD PART OF HIS PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          OUR FISCAL YEAR ENDS IN DECEMBER, SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. 
          I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL HAVE AN EXECUTION PLAN READY, BUT WE 
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WILL CERTAINLY HAVE A PLAN FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF RESILIENCY GOING FORWARD AND HOW WE INTERFACE WITH C P S ENERGY GOING FORWARD AND HOW WE INTERFACE WITH THE E O C. 
          WE ARE VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE SELECT COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS IT RELATES TO C P S ENERGY AND THE E O C. 
          WE ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE OPERATIONS THAT OCCURRED WITH ALL THREE. 
          AND WE'RE ASK, WE, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WE'RE ASKING THOSE SAME QUESTIONS. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE WITNESSING THIS MORNING, BUT THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT . 
          I, I, YEAH, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP  THERE IS HESITANCY BECAUSE THERE, STEVE'S THINKING. 
          I HAVE NOT HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT THAT WILL BE HAPPENING, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, OKAY, THEN, THEN SECONDLY, I, I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS ONCE YOU LEAVE THE SAWS OWNED AND OPERATED SYSTEM AND YOU GET ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          SO A LOT OF WHAT WE EXPERIENCED, UH, DURING THE STORM, UH, AND THE HARDSHIPS THAT PEOPLE WENT THROUGH, OR SOME OF IT, RIGHT, TO SOME EXTENT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF ANY FAILURES ON THE PART OF THE, OF THE WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM, BUT WHAT HAPPENED ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. 
          SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON DOES THAT RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS OF EDUCATION FALL, UM, TO THE CITY, DOES IT FALL TO THE WATER, UH, UTILITY? AND HOW DO WE SHARE THAT? AND I, OR, OR, OR HOW DO WE SHARE IT? AND I, I'LL PREFACE IT ALSO BY SAYING, YOU GUYS DID A TREMENDOUS JOB OF GETTING PEOPLE TO CONSERVE WATER. 
          I DON'T THINK ANY, BUT THERE IS NO UTILITY, NO PUBLIC AGENCY IN THIS AREA THAT HAS BEEN MORE EFFECTIVE AT A BEHAVIOR CHANGE CAMPAIGN THAN SAWS HAS. 
          SO I I THINK YOU WOULD DO GREAT IF YOU TOOK THAT ON, BUT GO AHEAD, ROBERT. 
          UM, AND, AND YES, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE THE PRIMARY ENTITY THAT TRIES TO GET THIS MESSAGE ACROSS, BUT WE WOULD SOLICIT AND WELCOME AND WANT THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY AND C P S ENERGY. 
          UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A PROBLEM THAT, UM, THAT WAS THE AFTER EFFECTS OF ONCE IT E EVEN WHEN THE SUN CAME OUT ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, PEOPLE WERE JUST EXPERIENCING STILL MISERY, UH, ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          THEY STILL DIDN'T HAVE WATER OR, OR VERY LOW PRESSURE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S INCUMBENT, I THINK, UPON ALL OF US. 
          AND ONE THING I, I WOULD LOVE IS FOR THE, UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MEDIA, ESPECIALLY THE, THE TV NEWS, THEY ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, UH, OUR AQUIFER LEVEL, AND THEY ALSO WARN US ABOUT THE THREE PS OF, UH, PEOPLE, PETS AND PIPES. 
          BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THEY DO IT, UM, TOO OFTEN WHEN THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT KIND OF EMERGENCY AND PEOPLE, UH, UH, JUST PUT THEIR GUARD DOWN, UH, IT, IT GOES AWAY. 
          AND SO IF THEY WOULD BE MORE, UM, WILLING TO JUST DO IT, UH, MORE SPORADICALLY WHEN IT REALLY IS GOING TO FREEZE, BECAUSE IF IT FREEZES, YOU KNOW, UH, 28 DEGREES OVERNIGHT, YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING UNLESS THAT FREEZES FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE, SIX HOURS, THEN MAYBE YOU DO HAVE A PROBLEM THAT YOU NEED TO, UH, LET YOUR WATER RUN. 
          AND SO COLLECTIVELY, I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON ALL OF US TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT. 
          I KNOW EACH ONE OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS HAS NEWSLETTERS. 
          I KNOW Y'ALL GIVE A LOT OF PUBLIC INFORMATION OUT THAT WAY. 
          ALSO, UH, WE ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET THE WORD OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, ROBERT. 
          IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, UM, IT, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HAVING YOUR PIPES OPEN RIGHT? IN, IN SOME CASES, IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER TO SHUT IT OFF ENTIRELY IF THE, IF THE FREEZE IS SEVERE AND LONG ENOUGH, UH, THE CITY OF HOUSTON, UH, ESSENTIALLY SAID, IT'S BETTER JUST TO GO TO YOUR METER, TURN OFF YOUR WATER. 
          UH, WE HAVE SOME, HE HAS SOME ISSUES WITH THAT ALSO, . 
          OKAY? UH, AND THERE'S LEGITIMATE REASONS ON MAYBE WHY THAT'S NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO DO. 
          I MEAN, NOT IMPORTANT, BUT, UH, WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION YOU GUYS DECIDE, I, I'LL, I WILL TRUST STEVE KLAUS WITH, WITH MY LIFE, BECAUSE HE, HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT, ABOUT WATER, BUT I WASTEWATER AND, OH, SORRY, WHICH EVEN, EVEN MORE COMPLICATED IS WASTEWATER. 
          WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DO NEED A STRATEGY TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE PUBLIC IN AN ACTIVE FREEZE, AS WHAT ROBERT MENTIONED. 
          UM, WE'VE LEARNED FROM OTHER UTILITIES AND WHAT THEY, UM, WERE INSTRUCTING PEOPLE TO DO. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE TURN THE VALVE OFF AT THE HOUSE, WELL, THAT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU'VE DRAINED AT THE PIPES IN YOUR HOUSE. 
          UM, IT JUST MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE WATER SERVICE. 
          AND IF THE PIPES ARE STILL FULL, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO FREEZE. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY TURN OFF THE VALVE, BUT KNOW WHERE THE LOWEST POINT IS, THE LOWEST CORNER OF YOUR HOUSE, SO THAT YOU CAN DRAIN EVERYTHING DOWN. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE WITHOUT, WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS TELL PEOPLE TO TURN OFF THEIR WATER AND THEN THEIR PIPES FREEZE. 
          AND NOW WE'RE RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE THEIR PIPES FROZE BECAUSE OF WHAT WE TOLD THEM TO DO. 
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A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE FRONT END OF THAT. 
          BUT IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, A TREND THE INDUSTRY IS GONNA MOVE TOWARD FOR FUTURE SEVERE EVENTS LIKE THIS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, UH, STEVE. 
          INSIGHTFUL. 
          UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS THIS, THIS COULD BE A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY WITH THE E O C OR SAWS OR C P S, BUT IN GENERAL, I, I THINK WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE PREPARED FOR AN UNFORESEEN EVENT. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THAT IS TO HAVE SOME SPARE, YOU KNOW, JUGS OF WATER, UM, A FLASHLIGHT, WHATEVER IT IS, UH, THE, YOUR 72 HOUR KIT. 
          AND, UM, ANYWAY, I THINK THAT CAN BE WORKED INTO OUR, OUR EDUCATION AS WELL. 
          NOT JUST FOR EVENTS LIKE EXTREME EVENTS, LIKE WHAT WE HAD, BUT AS A KIND OF FACT OF LIFE THING THAT YOU SHOULD JUST, UH, HAVE AROUND. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, REED. 
          UH, AND THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, JUST A, JUST A FEW COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, I'VE GOT A QUEUE HERE FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT WANT A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, I WANNA THANK, UH, UH, JEANINE AND ROBERT AND STEVE AGAIN. 
          UM, THEY JUMPED ON THIS, THEY KNEW WHAT TO DO, AND THEY GOT IT DONE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT IN A THING LIKE THIS. 
          AND OF COURSE, CLAYTON MADE THE COMMENT THAT, I'M PUTTING A TIMELINE ON THIS. 
          I'M REALLY NOT, I'M TRYING TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC. 
          OKAY? UH, WE JOKE ABOUT IT, BUT THE PUBLIC HAS NO PATIENCE, AND I DON'T BLAME 'EM BECAUSE THEY HAD TO HAVE A LOT OF PATIENCE DURING THIS EVENT. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WE'VE BEEN POSTING STUFF IN ADVANCE OF MAKING THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION AS OPPOSED TO HOLDING IT ALL, WRITING A REPORT. 
          UH, IT ALSO IS, IS, UH, UH, SPAWNING SOME NEW QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOGGING IN. 
          WE'VE GOT SINCE, UH, SINCE THE FIRST PART OF THE VAN, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 200 SOMETHING QUESTIONS, AND WE'RE TRIAGING THOSE BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE GROUPS. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ALSO, UH, TRYING TO ASSIGN THOSE TO THE QUESTIONS WE'VE ASKED THE RFIS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE STILL KEEPING UP WITH EVERYTHING. 
          BUT ONE THING THAT I THINK THE GROUP AFTER SITTING HERE FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS IS, IS PRETTY MUCH, UH, COME TO THE CONCLUSION IS IT'S A, IT'S A SYSTEM SOLUTION. 
          UH, AND THAT OUR, OUR ENTITIES THAT WERE RESPONDING TO THIS, UH, WERE SILOED. 
          NOW, THERE WAS COMMUNICATION, BUT IT WAS, UM, FRANKLY, IT WAS KIND OF AD HOC. 
          AND AFTER THE FACT AND THE COMMUNICATIONS TO THE PUBLIC WAS, UH, IT WAS SOMEPLACE, UH, IT WAS, UM, CONTRADICTORY. 
          SOME PLACES IT WAS LATE, SOME CASES OUT OF DATE, SOME PLACES IT WAS JUST AUTOMATED. 
          AND IN SOME PLACES, UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE WERE MAKING FUNNY JOKES ABOUT IT, AND NONE OF THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE. 
          SO I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED THAT, THAT THIS GROUP IS STARTING TO LOOK AT THIS AS A SYSTEM. 
          AND THE SYSTEM NOT ONLY INCLUDES, UH, C P SS SAWS IN THE E O C, IT INCLUDES SOME OTHERS. 
          THIS IS ALLUDED TO, OBVIOUSLY, BY ED AND, AND AGAIN BY STEVE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, IF YOU CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THESE ON HOW EACH ONE SOLVES THEIR OWN PROBLEM, THE COST IS ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS. 
          YOU CAN'T DO IT. 
          AND WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAN OTHER CITIES. 
          WE HAVE A, A WHAT I CALL A HUB AND SPOKE SYSTEM BECAUSE WE POKED HOLES IN THE EDWARDS AQUIFER, AND THOSE, THOSE, UH, THOSE RIMS OVERLAP EACH OTHER, WHICH IS WHAT STEVE WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          NOW WE'VE GOT LARGE SOURCES NOW FROM OTHER PLACES LIKE VISTA RIDGE COMING IN ONE PLACE. 
          WE'VE GOT THE H TWO O FACILITY. 
          SO, UH, WE'VE KIND OF STARTED MOVING AWAY FROM THE HUB AND SPOKE, BUT IT'S STILL THERE. 
          IT HAS A SYSTEM. 
          UH, WE HAVE AN ELECTRIC SYSTEM THAT, THAT, UH, SITS ON TOP OF THAT. 
          AND THEN FORTUNATELY, OUR, UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER ENTITIES THAT RELY ON THOSE TWO SYSTEMS WORKING. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY TELLING THAT MOST OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WE'VE SEEN HAVE EITHER BEEN FROM SAWS TO C P S OR AFTER THE FACT. 
          BACK TO THE E O C, THIS, UH, THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE AS I, I GOT A REALLY GOOD ANALOGY FROM FROM A REPORTER THE OTHER DAY. 
          THESE EVENTS ARE UNEXPECTED, ARE OUT ON THE TAILS, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT. 
          AND THEY'RE DYNAMIC. 
          THEY CHANGE AS YOU GO THROUGH, UM, THROUGH THE EVENT. 
          UH, AND THEY LAST LONGER THAN YOU EXPECTED. 
          SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT MANAGING A DYNAMIC CHANGING EVENT WHERE YOU HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE, AND WITHIN THE RESPONSE, THE, THE ANALOGY THAT THE REPORTER GAVE ME IS REALLY GREAT IS THAT IT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN FIGHTING A HOUSE FIRE AND A WILD AND FIRE WHILE ON FIRE MOVES BECAUSE HUMIDITY, WIND, NATURAL WIND BREAKS. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT TO NOTIFY PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME IF WE ALL TRY TO DEVELOP OUR OWN COMMUNICATION SYSTEM. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME WE DON'T HAVE ELECTRICITY, WHICH, WHICH, UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, AFFECTS THE 
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COMMUNICATION SYSTEM, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COMMUNICATE. 
          SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT EVERYBODY, UM, HAS COME TO THE CONCLUSION. 
          I CERTAINLY THINK THIS, THIS COMMITTEE HAS THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE PROPER COMMAND AND CONTROL, PROPER INFORMATION FLOW AND PROPER CAPITAL ALLOCATION, THIS WHOLE SYSTEM'S GOTTA BE LOOKED AT. 
          AND I, I KNOW THAT WE CAN LOOK DOWN INTO THE, THE, UH, SAW SYSTEM ITSELF. 
          A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, BUT I DO HOPE THAT IN DOING THIS AS A SYSTEM APPROACH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE ADD A BUNCH OF BIG GENERATORS AND WE POWER 'EM, WHETHER WE POWER 'EM WITH NATURAL GAS OR, OR DIESEL, WE'RE CREATING A CARBON PROBLEM. 
          OKAY? AND WE DO HAVE A CARBON PROBLEM, AND WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA WATCH THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M MUCH MORE INTERESTED IN IF WE HAVE TO HAVE SMALL POWER AT THESE PLANTS THAT WE DO IT WITH SOME TYPE OF SOLAR WITH BATTERY BACKUP OR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO, AS STEVE MENTIONED, HAUL A BUNCH OF DIESEL OUT THERE ALL THE TIME, UH, FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND THE FACT THAT WE CAN PROBABLY GET THE BATTERIES RECHARGED. 
          UH, YOU CAN PROBABLY KEEP YOUR SMALL DIAMETER HEAT TRACING AND YOUR, UM, INSTRUMENTATION UP IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN BURNING A BUNCH OF DIESEL. 
          UH, AND IN, IN THE REALITY OF THE, OF THE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, I THINK THE POINT WAS WELL MADE BY A LOT OF FOLKS. 
          IT'S A CAPITAL ALLOCATION, AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CAPITAL ALLOCATION ACROSS THE WHOLE SYSTEM. 
          IS IT BETTER? AS, AS WAS BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES, AND PARTICULARLY BY, UH, BY ED, IS IT BETTER PUT THAT MONEY IN IN, UH, C P S OR IS IT BETTER TO PUT IT IN, SOLVES IT BETTER TO PUT IT IN THE E O C, OR, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE PUT IT? AND WE GOT, THAT'S FORTUNATELY THAT'S, WE'VE GOT A CITY COUNCIL THAT CAN SIT AND SORT THAT OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA APPROVE THE MONEY FOR ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT A, AT A WHOLE NEW, UH, ACTIVITY FOR, FOR HOW THE INFORMATION FLOWS AND IF THERE'S ONE BIG THING WE CAN DO HERE IS, IS CHANGED THAT I, UH, I'VE TAKEN THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE AND, AND WE'RE GOING TO, UM, TRY, TRY TO, UH, SEE IF WE CAN GET, UH, COSA AND E O C HERE ON THE 21ST, AND I'LL TALK TO C P SS ENERGY ABOUT COMING ON THE 28TH. 
          UM, Y'ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, MATT DID A LOT OF WORK REAL FAST. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND NOW I'M GONNA PASS IT AROUND AGAIN FOR SECOND ROUND OF FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS, MAN. 
          THANK YOU REED. 
          INSIGHTFUL COMMENTS. 
          AND, UH, I, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT THIS COMMITTEE WAS IMPALED WITH, UM, AN ASSIGNMENT THAT WE DO THIS WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY AND, AND YOU'VE MAINTAINED, UH, THAT TEMPO AND THAT THAT ENERGY FOR US, UH, I, ANDY SEGOVIA, UM, CAME UP WITH THIS BRIGHT IDEA THAT WE AMEND THE CHARTER, UH, AND PROPOSITION A PASSED IN THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT CAPITAL ALLOCATION AND FIGURING OUT WHO PAYS WHAT TO HARDEN THESE SYSTEMS FOR FUTURE EVENTS SUCH AS THESE. 
          NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT PROPOSITION A THAT IS SO WIDE OPEN NOW FOR US TO, UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION AS A COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT BOND CAPACITY IS USED TO HELP HARDEN THESE SYSTEMS. I, IS THAT WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN PROPOSITION A NOW THAT THAT SCOPE IS, UH, HAS BEEN OPENED UP. 
          ACTUALLY, COUNCILMAN, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT WE, WE HAD THAT ABILITY, UH, UNDER THE PREVIOUS CITY CHARTER LANGUAGE, BUT THAT NOW HAS BECOMES A MOOT POINT. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, NOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE BOND PROJECTS THAT, UH, FED ANY PUBLIC PURPOSE AND CLEARLY, UH, UTILITY RESILIENCY AND AN EMERGENCY IS CLEARLY A PUBLIC PURPOSE. 
          UH, SO YES, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD VERY MUCH FIT INTO THE, UH, LANGUAGE THAT WAS JUST PASSED BY THE ELECTORATE IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT SCOPE WE HAVE FOR BOND PROJECTS. 
          YES, IT CERTAINLY WOULD FIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. 
          IT JUST VERY QUICKLY, AND MY THANKS AGAIN TO EVERYONE FOR, FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 
          UM, THIS GETS BACK TO THE POINT ABOUT COMMAND AND CONTROL AND, AND THE CITY'S E O C, UH, AND WHEN YOU GET AN, AN EMERGENCY, A CONTINGENCY OF THIS MAGNITUDE, THEIR ABILITY TO EXERCISE, UH, COMMAND AND CONTROL OVER AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS NOW THE SENIOR PERSON AT THE E O C HAS NO REAL DIRECTIVE AUTHORITY OVERSAW. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? EVEN, EVEN WHEN IT STOOD UP IN AN EMERGENCY CAPACITY? I BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE. 
          I'VE NEVER BEEN, I'VE BEEN WITH SA 37 YEARS AND I'VE NEVER SEEN AN EVENT WHERE THEY'VE ATTEMPTED TO DIRECT OR CONTROL. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I I CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          UH, THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY RIGHT NOW UNDER OUR 
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CURRENT SYSTEM. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO COMMAND AND CONTROL EVEN DURING AN EMERGENCY . 
          I'M GOOD. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON THOSE QUESTIONS, UH, UH, IS IT NECESSARY OR DO YOU THINK THEY WORK WELL NOW COLLABORATIVELY? OF COURSE, IF PEOPLE CHANGE, UH, PERSONALITIES CHANGE AND, AND GO, GO AHEAD. 
          SO YES, IF THE QUESTION IS TO ME, UM,  YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS, WE, WE, WE PROBABLY WON'T REPEAT THIS AGAIN, IT'LL BE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED TO THE E O C AND TO THE CITY IS, IS THAT CENTER DESIGNED AS A COORDINATION CENTER, WHICH IT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FUNCTIONED AT AS THIS TIME? OR IS IT A TRUE COMMAND AND CONTROL CENTER WHERE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH C P S THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE COORDINATED WITH SAWS AND YOU DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING, CAN YOU DIRECT AT THAT HAPPEN? RIGHT? AND, AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN YOU'RE JUST A COORDINATION CENTER, NOT A COMMAND AND CONTROL CENTER. 
          AND I, I WOULD, I WOULD CONTEND THAT IF, IF WE WANT IT TO BE A COMMAND AND CONTROL CENTER, WE HAVE TO GIVE IT THE AUTHORITY TO, TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO, AND ANDY, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT? WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT NOW, COUNCILWOMAN IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THAT. 
          UM, CERTAINLY IF IT'S LIMITED TO AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, UH, A DECLARED EMERGENCY SITUATION, UH, WE PROBABLY HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT. 
          WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE ANSWERS, UM, FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON THAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ON IT? UM, NO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. 
          WE GOT A COUPLE OF ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS TO CLEAR UP AND, UH, WE'RE OUTTA HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANKS AGAIN, JILLIAN. 
          THANK YOU, ROBERT. 
          APPRECIATE IT, MATT. 
          GOOD JOB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE OVER JUST A REAL, UH, QUICK BRIEFING. 
          UH, WE DID HAVE, UM, SOME, UH, A, A MEETING WITH, UH, C P SS ON, UH, ON WHERE THEY ARE ON THE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, BEN'S GOT THE, THE UPDATE ON THAT. 
          SO IF HE CAN JUST, UH, VERY QUICKLY RUN THROUGH WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. 
          UH, WE'LL DO THAT NEXT. 
          GO AHEAD MAN. 
          YOU CAN PROBABLY DO THIS IN TWO MINUTES, RIGHT? UH, CHAIRS AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE, I MISSED THE QUESTION. 
          WAS IT AN UPDATE ON THE QUESTION IS YEAH, UPDATES, UPDATE ON THE ON C P SS QUESTIONS THAT, UH, VERY QUICKLY. 
          SO, UM, THE LAST TIME WE MET, THERE WERE EIGHT ORIGINAL RFIS OUTSTANDING AND NINE FOLLOW UP RFIS. 
          SINCE LAST FRIDAY'S MEETING, WE HAVE RECEIVED THREE RFIS, RFIS NUMBER 22, 23, AND YESTERDAY R F I NUMBER SIX. 
          SO THAT LEAVES US FIVE ORIGINAL RFIS, NINE FOLLOW UP RFIS. 
          WE DID SUBMIT TWO ADDITIONAL ONES, UH, YESTERDAY. 
          THEY ARE, UM, MORE IN THE, MORE IN THE RANGE OF EX EXPLANATION. 
          SO ONE IS ON, UH, R F I. 
          NUMBER ONE, WE ASKED FOR AN EXPLANATION OF ANCILLARY SERVICES PROVIDED BY ERCOT. 
          WE HAD A QUESTION THAT FOCUSED ON THE ANCILLARY SERVICES PROVIDED DURING THE EVENT. 
          WE BROADENED THAT TO REALLY GIVE THE COMMUNITY AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ANCILLARY SERVICES ARE MORE BROADLY INSIDE OF ERCOT AND, UM, WHAT THOSE SERVICES ARE THAT ARE PROVIDED TO C P S. 
          THE OTHER ONE IS AN R F I THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT. 
          IT'S R F I NUMBER NINE THAT LOOKS AT A GEOGRAPHIC DELINEATION OF, UM, HOW POWER WAS, UH, SHED OR LOAD WAS SHED ACROSS THE CITY. 
          WE RECEIVED AN INITIAL RESPONSE. 
          C P S IS WORKING TO REFINE THAT SO THAT WE CAN SEE NOT ONLY WHAT AREAS LOST POWER, BUT DURATIONS OF TIME. 
          SO, UM, THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT MAP. 
          THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT HOW TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD, UH, THAT MAP. 
          SO WE DID A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PROVIDE US ANY INFORMATION ANNOTATIONS ON THE MAP OR NARRATIVE DESCRIPTIONS THAT HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT RESPONSE. 
          ONCE THIS, ONCE THEY PROVIDED, UH, WE DID ASK THEM TO TRY TO WRAP UP, UM, ALL OF THEIR RESPONSES TO THIS COMMITTEE BY WITHIN TWO WEEKS. 
          UM, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ON WEDNESDAY, SO THAT WOULD PUT US HAVING A GOAL OF GETTING EVERYTHING FROM C P S BY MAY 26TH. 
          AND WE TRIED TO DO THAT TO LINE UP WITH, UH, YOU ALL'S ABILITY OR DESIRE TO WANT TO GET THIS WRAPPED UP BY JUNE 15TH. 
          SO, WITH THAT, SIR, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT'S, UH, PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. 
          UH, IF THEY'RE COMING ON THE 28TH, WE'LL HAVE SUPPOSEDLY ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, AND I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING HARD ON THAT UNLESS 
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THERE'S SOME OTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FROM THE GROUP. 
          YES, OBVIOUSLY I  HONESTLY DIDN'T MEAN TO, I DIDN'T MEAN TO IGNORE YOU. 
          YOU'RE ON THE COM ON MY SIDE OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          EXCUSE, PARDON ME. 
          EXCUSE ME, REID, BUT I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS HERE. 
          , UM, THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR THAT WORK, BEN, TO, TO YOU AND ALEX, ONE OF THE RFIS THAT WE RECEIVED, OR ONE OF THE RESPONSES WE RECEIVED HAD TO DO WITH FORECASTED, UM, THE EXPECTATION OF GENERATION FROM THE DIFFERENT POWER SOURCES. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR SENDING THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT, I THOUGHT WE HAD ASKED FOR WHAT WAS FORECAST AND THEN WHAT WAS ACTUALLY RECEIVED, BECAUSE OUR GOAL WAS TO SEE WHERE ARE THE VULNERABILITIES, WHICH, WHICH ARE THE, THE LEAST RELIABLE, UH, SOURCES. 
          BUT I, I'VE LOOKED THROUGH WHAT YOU'VE SENT AND I AM I MISREADING MS? NO, YOU'RE NOT MISREADING IT. 
          IT, IT, IT'S, IT DIDN'T QUITE GET ANSWERED THE WAY WE ASKED. 
          THEY GAVE THE FORECAST AS THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE, THE DAYS. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET WITH 'EM TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE CALL. 
          AND I SHOULD HAVE BRIEFED YOU ON THAT. 
          I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON APOLOGY ACCEPTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WELL, I, I'VE, I KNOW THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT THE ONE MORE GROUP, WHICH THEY'LL SEE. 
          THEY DID A GREAT JOB OF PRESENTING ALL THEIR STUFF LAST WEEK. 
          I'LL JUST BOUNCE IT OVER TO ED IF HE HAS ANY COMMENTS TO MAKE REAL QUICKLY HERE. 
          NO, WE JUST HAVE TWO. 
          UH, BEN, WE HAVE, WE STILL HAVE TWO OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS TO THE E O C NUMBER 13 AND NUMBER 19. 
          ONE ONE'S, UH, VIA RESPONSE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE STILL HAVE YET RECEIVED. 
          UH, THAT'S NUMBER 13. 
          AND THEN NUMBER 19, I CAN GET WITH YOU AFTERWARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S 'CAUSE YOU, YOU LOOK LIKE WE'RE, YOU DON'T THINK WE ASKED THE QUESTIONS BACK AGAIN, SO WE, WE CAN. 
          SO I THINK WE STILL HAVE TWO OUTSTANDING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I, I'M AWARE OF THE VIA ONE. 
          I, I DON'T RECALL 19, BUT I WILL LOOK AT THAT ONE AND, AND I'LL GET WITH YOU RIGHT AFTER THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, TO DO THAT. 
          AND I, I WILL ALSO TAKE BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY MANAGER AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER HAD OFFERED TO THE COMMITTEE TO COME IN AND, UM, HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR RESPONSES IN THE E O C. 
          UM, I HEARD THE CHAIR MENTION THE 21ST, SO I WILL TAKE THAT BACK AS WELL. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THE TWO PENDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, PENDING QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          ANYONE? ANYONE? OKAY. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
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