* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] MR. CHAIR, YOU ARE NOW, UH, BACK [Work Session] LIVE AND THE AUDIO IS CORRECTED. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY, WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. AND I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE MY MICROPHONE WASN'T MUTED, SO IF YOU HEARD ME EATING, I APOLOGIZE. UM, STAFF, DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND GO OVER WHAT WE DISCUSSED REGARDING THE UPCOMING, UH, CHANGES TO OUR MEETING FORMAT, UH, STARTING IN AUGUST? YES. UM, SO, UH, JUST FOR EVERYONE, UM, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS, UH, THE PLAN TO MOVE BACK TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS. UM, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE, UM, BOTH A SORT OF A HYBRID APPROACH, LIVE IN-PERSON MEETINGS, AS WELL AS VIRTUAL OPTIONS, UH, TO BEGIN IN AUGUST. UM, WE ARE WORKING ON SOME TECHNOLOGICAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR OUR BOARDROOM, AND WE'LL UTILIZE, UH, JUNE, JULY TO DO THAT, TEST EVERYTHING AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS READY TO GO WITH THE GOAL OF HAVING OUR FIRST, UH, MEETING WITH BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST, FOLLOWED BY ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN H D R C. UM, OUR PLAN IS THE HYBRID APPROACH AND THE VIRTUAL OPTIONS WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR BOTH THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, IN CASE THEY ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND, UH, IN PERSON, AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO, UH, UH, PATCH IN VIRTUALLY AS WELL AS, UM, OUR RESIDENTS. UH, WE WOULD KEEP OUR, UH, VIRTUAL OPTIONS, OPTIONS TO PARTICIPATE WITH BOTH LIVE CALLERS AND VOICEMAILS. UM, AND, UH, THE APPLICANTS, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THEY ATTEND IN PERSON TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. UH, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THEY'RE UNABLE TO ATTEND, WE, WE WOULD HAVE THAT VIRTUAL OPTION AVAILABLE TO THEM AS WELL. SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE PLAN, UH, MOVING FORWARD FOR AUGUST, UTILIZING, UH, THE, THE EARLY PART OF THE SUMMER IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, STAFF, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DO BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY? NO, SIR. WE'RE ALL READY FOR THE AGENDA. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY REQUEST FOR INFORMATION COUNTS, UH, ITEMS TO BE PULLED, ET CETERA? UH, BASED ON OUR CURRENT AGENDA? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. UM, I HAVE CONDITIONS FOR, UM, ITEM NUMBER TOO, SO I'D LIKE TO PULL IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR END? NO, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION, UH, ITEMS TO BE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH, ON UH, THANK YOU. ON ITEM NUMBER 14, WERE THERE ANY COUNTS ON THAT ONE? YES SIR. ITEM 14, THE COUNTS 29 NOTICES MAILED TO RECEIVE IN FAVOR? NONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM LOS PA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR END? SORRY, I INTERRUPTED SOMEONE. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER JONES. COMMISSIONER JONES. COMMISSIONER JONES. I BELIEVE YOU'RE MUTED. I'D LIKE NUMBERS ON ITEM NUMBER 13. ITEM NUMBER 13. THERE WERE 23 NOTICES MAILED. TWO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND DIGNITY. HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER, COMMISSIONER? ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, ANY REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION ACCOUNTS, ITEMS TO BE PULLED? COMMISSIONER SIP? YES, I SEE THAT, UM, ITEM 17 IS ON TWO COMBINED HEARINGS. I THINK IT SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE FIRST ONE. YES, SIR. WE'LL MAKE THAT CHANGE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR COUNTS INFORMATION? COMMISSIONER ROME. THANKS. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT TANGENTIAL, BUT I DON'T WANNA PULL THIS ITEM. IT'S ON, UM, ITEM NINE AND WE'RE DOING A REZONING ON ONE OF THE TRACKS AND IT, IT, IT APPEARS THERE'S THREE TRACKS THAT ARE ALL PART OF [00:05:01] ONE PROJECT AND THE OTHER TRACKS DON'T NEED THE ZONING CHANGE. SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, UM, CONNECTS THE THREE IN A WAY THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE OTHER TWO PARCELS, WHICH DID NOT NEED A ZONING CHANGE TO EVER HAVE TO GET A PLAN AMENDMENT? 'CAUSE THE ONE TODAY IS A, IS A ZONING CHANGE THAT ALSO HAS TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT. SO I, I GUESS I, I WOULD JUST LIKE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. WHEN YOU HAVE THREE PARCELS, ALL PART OF ONE PROJECT, ONLY ONE NEEDS THE ZONING CHANGE, SO THEREFORE ONLY ONE WILL EVER NEED THE PLAN AMENDMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S COMPLETELY CORRECT, YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMM, ANYTHING FURTHER? YEP, THIS IS CHRISTIE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ITEM NUMBER 12, UH, WAS LAST MINUTE SWITCH TO INDIVIDUAL HEARING. THERE'S ONLY ONE VOICEMAIL ON THAT ITEM. IT IS IN OPPOSITION. UM, IT COULD STILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR CONSENT IF WE PLAY THE VOICEMAIL. IT, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE, TO YOURSELF AND THE COMMISSION AS TO HOW YOU WANNA PROCEED WITH IT. BUT BECAUSE IT DID HAVE A VOICEMAIL, WE WENT AHEAD AND MOVED IT OVER TO INDIVIDUAL. CAN I ASK, IS, UH, THE VOICEMAIL FROM A DOCTOR OR MR. FLORES, IF YOU KNOW? I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT WE'RE GONNA CHECK. OKAY, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT ON INDIVIDUAL IF IT'S NOT, THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST, BUT AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM 12, IF I CAN GET COUNTS ON ITEM 12 AND ITEM 21 PLEASE. I'M SORRY, SIR, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. UM, BUT WE WERE JUST CONFIRMING ABOUT THE VOICEMAILS AND ACTUALLY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER VOICEMAIL, SO WE ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND LEAVE THAT ON, ON INDIVIDUAL. GREAT, THANK YOU. IF I COULD GET THE COUNTS ON 12 AND 21, PLEASE. YES, SIR. NUMBER 12. THERE WERE 21 NOTICES MAILED, ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND ITEM 21, THERE WERE 24 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THIS WILL BE ON INDIVIDUAL, UH, BECAUSE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL WITH ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY, VERY GOOD. UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT INFORMATION COUNTS ON OR TO BE PULLED FROM, UH, THE COMBINED HEARING DOCKET, UH, THAT I SEE. I'M GONNA START WITH COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AND THEN GO TO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UM, YES, I WOULD LIKE COUNTS, UH, ON ITEM NUMBER THREE AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE COUNTS ON ITEM. I'M SORRY, WHICH ONE WAS THAT? ITEM NUMBER 22. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER THREE. THERE WERE 34 NOTICES MAILED ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. HUNTINGTON PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. THERE WERE FOUR NOTICES RECEIVED OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT BUFFER THAT WERE IN FAVOR AND FOUR RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER THAT ARE OPPOSED FOR ITEM NUMBER 22. THERE WERE 34 NOTICES MAILED. NONE WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. SIX WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. THERE WAS ONE NOTICE RECEIVED OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFER IN FAVOR AND ONE RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE BUFFER. THAT IS OPPOSED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT FOR THE RECORD I'LL BE RECUSING FROM ITEM NUMBER THREE. OKAY. IF WE COULD MOVE ITEM NUMBER THREE TO THE COMBINED HEARING. NUMBER TWO DOCKET. I'M SORRY. NO, IT'S INDIVIDUAL. EXCUSE ME. FORGET IT. WE WILL, UH, RECUSE YOU, COMMISSIONER GRAVE HOUSE WHEN, UH, WHEN WE PULL UP THAT ITEM AND GIVEN YOUR SCHEDULE. THAT MIGHT BE, UH, THAT MIGHT BE IT FOR YOU, . UM, ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING FURTHER FOR THIS WORK SESSION? I'M GONNA GO THROUGH ONE MORE TIME. I, I SEE NO ONE INDICATING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FRANTICALLY GET MY ATTENTION. AS A RESULT, THIS WORKSTATION WILL BE CONCLUDED AND WE WILL STAND IN RECESS UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK WHEN WE WILL BEGIN OUR PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU ALL SO [00:10:01] MUCH. YOU UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMONTE AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF [Call to Order] THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION IN THE SESSION. CAN WE PLEASE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, STAFF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CONDUCT THE ROLL CALL. DR. JONES PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. COMMISSIONER PE? UH, YES. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER, WE PRESENT DR. DORO PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER WHITE. HERE. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? HERE. PROAM GREATHOUSE. HERE. VICE-CHAIR SIFE. HERE. CHAIR BUSTAMANTE PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. PRESENT MR. CHAIR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. PRIOR TO STARTING WITH OUR ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE OUR STAFF TO REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT FOR TODAY, STAFF, IF YOU WOULD, TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEETINGS VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE. CONFERENCE. THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW SAN ANTONIO GOV SLASH DSD OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES. THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OF COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING. STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD FOR ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT, STAFF WILL PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL. LASTLY, FOR THOSE SIGNED UP TO RECEIVE A CALL BACK, WE WILL CALL THEM STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENTS. SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. STAFF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REVIEW THE LIST OF CONSENT ITEMS, UH, COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO ITEMS AND INDIVIDUAL ITEMS AS WELL AS ANY PROPOSED, I'M SORRY, POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN. WITHDRAWN. ITEMS, ITEMS [Items 1 & 18] NUMBER ONE AND 18 HAVE BEEN POSTPONED, WHICH MEANS THEY WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. AND NEW NOTICE WILL BE SENT FOR THE NEW MEETING DATE. AND ON COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE ITEM 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, AND 19. AND FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE ITEM 17 OR JUST ITEM 17. AND THEN LASTLY, FOR INDIVIDUAL HEARING, WE HAVE ITEMS 22 3 4 5 2, 6 7, 12, 20, AND 21. AND WE WILL BE HEARING ITEM TWO AFTER 22, 3, 4, AND FIVE DUE TO THOSE BEING O H, P AND E RZ D CASES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE PULLED FROM, UH, CONSENT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA TO THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA? SEEING NONE. STAFF PLEASE READ THE REMAINING CONSENT ITEMS INTO THE RECORD. [Items 8 - 11, 13 - 16, & 19] [00:15:13] ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR SPORTS COURTS OUTDOOR PERMITTED OVERLAY REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 1 4 6 3 0 JUDSON ROAD. NINE NOTICES WERE MAILED. ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE NA TO MF 33 LOCATED GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 8,900 BLOCK OF NORTH LOOP. 1604 WEST TWO NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX A H O D TO RM FIVE A H O D LOCATED AT 3 0 1 PRINCETON AVENUE. 31 NOTICES WERE MAILED, TWO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND UPTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM L TO C THREE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 6,100 BLOCK OF IH OR INTERSTATE 10 EAST FIVE NOTICES WERE MAILED. ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE H A H O D TO I D Z ONE H A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED IN OH ONE OFFICE DISTRICT AND FOR A CARPENTRY SHOP LOCATED AT 2 32 NORTH MESQUITE. 23 NOTICES WERE MAILED. TWO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND DIGNITY. HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C ONE TO RMM SIX. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME LOCATED AT 56 12 MONTEREY STREET. 29 NOTICES WERE MAILED. TWO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM LOS HARENA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE A H O D TO C TWO C D A H O D WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARK LOCATED AT 13 5 0 2 TOPPER CIRCLE. 23 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO I D Z ONE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH USES PERMITTED FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 4 29 EAST CARSON STREET. 34 NOTICES WERE MAILED. THREE WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED AN AMENDED SITE PLAN FOR ITEM NUMBER 16. AND LASTLY, ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I TWO TO M MS 18. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 1444 SHERMAN STREET. 22 NOTICES WERE MAIL ZERO, WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT ANY OF THE ABOVE ITEMS STAFF, CORRECT? NO, SIR. I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT BOTH ON BOTH ITEMS 15 AND 16. THEY, THOSE ARE WITH AMENDED SITE PLANS AND THOSE WERE SENT TO THE COMMISSION PRIOR TO THE MEETING. SO THAT'S WITH THE AMENDED SITE PLANS FOR ITEM 15 AND 16. VERY GOOD. IN LIGHT OF THAT, IS THERE A MOTION COMMISSIONER SIS, I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT, NUMBER 9 10 11 13 14 15 WITH THE AMENDED SITE PLAN 16 WITH THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND 19. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. IS THERE A SECOND? GREATHOUSE SECOND. GREAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UH, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE ITEMS LISTED WITH THE AMENDED SITE PLANS AS NOTED. UH, STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. DR. DORO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. COMMISSIONER WHITE. YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? [00:20:01] YES. PROTE GREATHOUSE. YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. AND COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. MOTION PASSES. 11 ZERO FOR COMBINED HEARING. AGENDA ONE. RIGHT. UH, NOW WE WILL MOVE ON TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER [17. 21-3836 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700082 (Council District 4) A request for a change in zoning from "C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "MF-25 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Low Density Multi-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on 18.00 acres out of NCB 18087, located at 13107 Southwest Loop 410. Staff recommends Approval. (Justin Malone, Planner, (210) 207-0157, Justin.Malone@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department.] TWO. I BELIEVE THERE IS A RECUSAL OF, UH, COMMISSIONER KIMMA. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR CAMERA AND MUTE. MUTE YOUR MICROPHONE. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO MF 25. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 3 1 0 7 SOUTHWEST LOOP 4 10 18. NOTICES WERE MAILED. TWO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. ZERO. WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE COMMISSIONER ETH IS NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE CONSIDERATION OF ITEM NUMBER 17. IS THERE A MOTION IS COMMISSIONER TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 17. SECOND. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 17 BY COMMISSIONER SIPES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. UH, ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE. HI, DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. PRO TEMP GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SYS YES. AND CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ZERO WITH ONE RECUSAL. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND COMMISSIONER KENNETH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REJOIN THE MEETING. THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING, STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER [22. 21-3597 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700088 HL (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "MF-33 UC-5 AHOD" Multi-Family Main Avenue/McCullough Avenue Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District to "MF-33 HL UC-5 AHOD" Multi-Family Historic Landmark Main Avenue/McCullough Avenue Urban Corridor Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 12, Block 8, NCB 1730, located at 212 East Dewey Place. Staff recommends Approval. (Joyce Palmer, Planner, (210) 207-0315, Joyce.Palmer@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).] 22. STAFF. WHEN YOU ARE READY, PLEASE, UH, BEGIN READING THAT ITEM INTO THE RECORD. ITEM NUMBER 22 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM M MS 33 UC, FIVE A H O D TO M MS 33 HL UC, FIVE A H O D LOCATED AT TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE. 34 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. SIX WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. AND TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. THERE WAS ALSO ONE NOTICE RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER IN FAVOR AND ONE RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER OPPOSED. THE CURRENT M MS 33 IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED REQUEST MAINTAINS MF 33 MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ZONING, BUT AS A HISTORIC OVERLAY, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND THE, UM, AND WE HAVE O H P ON THE LINE. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, THE APPLICANT IS THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION REPRESENTED BY DR. HAY. DR. HAY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND PRESENT THIS ITEM. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS, UH, DR. HAY. I'M THE SCOUT, A PROGRAM MANAGER AT THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME OKAY. GREAT. WE CAN. THANK YOU. AWESOME. OKAY, SO I, UH, I'LL MAKE MY PRESENTATION VERY BRIEF. UM, IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND GO TO SLIDE TWO, PLEASE. UM, THIS PROPERTY, UH, LOCATED AT TWO 12 EAST DEWEY IS A SINGLE STORY CRAFTSMAN STYLE RESIDENCE. IT WAS BUILT IN 1913 BY, UH, AND FOR WILLIAM AND MARY AVY. THE FIRST RESIDENCE OF RECORD WERE HARRY AND MADDIE WOOD, WHO LIVED THERE FROM 1915 TO 1916. UM, BUT THE MOST PROMINENT RESIDENT OF THIS HOME WAS ROBERT MICHAEL, WHO OWNED IT FROM 1919 TO 1928. UM, UH, MR. MICHAEL PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 1918 AND BY 1921, UM, HE HAD TAKEN HIS FATHER'S PLACE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE MICHAEL LOAN COMPANY. THE COMPANY OPERATED AS A LOAN, JEWELRY AND PAWN SHOP. IT WAS FOUNDED IN 1871 AND RUN BY SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF THE MICHAEL FAMILY UNTIL IT CLOSED IN 1958. RIGHT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION RECEIVED A DEMOLITION APPLICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. AND THEN IN DECEMBER, THE TOKEN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION FILED A [00:25:01] REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. THAT REQUEST WAS HEARD BY THE H D R C ON FEBRUARY THE THIRD. THE H D R C AGREED THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AND RECOMMENDED THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN THE REZONING PROCESS AS AN INDIVIDUAL. DUAL LANDMARK CITY COUNCIL DID DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT ON APRIL 1ST. THE H D R C HEARD THIS CASE AGAIN ON APRIL 21ST, AND AGAIN, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE DESIGNATION. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS OPPOSED TO DESIGNATION. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, SO THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR THE ORIGINAL FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, THAT WAS THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, UM, UH, FOUND THAT THE PROPERTY MET FOUR CRITERIA. SO, UM, ONE FOR ITS IDENTIFICATION WITH ROBERT MICHAEL, WHO I DESCRIBED EARLIER AS A CRAFTSMAN, UH, STYLE RESIDENCE, UM, AS ONE OF THE FEW ONE-STORY RESIDENCES THAT'S, UM, REMAINING IN THIS AREA. THERE USED TO BE HUNDREDS IN THESE BLOCKS. UM, AND THEN, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED BY STAFF AS AN ELIGIBLE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND AS I MENTIONED, THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, ASKED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ZONING CHANGE TO CREATE THE INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK. SO THAT IS WHY I AM HERE TODAY. UM, YOU CAN GO TO THE LAST SLIDE AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DR. HAY IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY PRESENT. IF YOU ARE PRESENT AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE PRESS, UH, STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. IF NOT, UH, STAFF ARE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES. UH, HELLO. UH, HELLO. YES, UH, THIS IS JIMMY MAUR. I'M THE, UH, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. UM, I'M, I'M IN AUSTIN. UH, AND, UM, THIS PROCESS WAS STARTED BY ME INITIATING A DEMOLITION REQUEST, AND THEN IT JUST KIND OF TOOK ON A LIFE OF ITS OWN. UH, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF A HISTORIC DESIGNATION. THE REASON FOR THE DEMOLITION PERMIT WAS TO TEAR DOWN A SUBSTANDARD HOME. UH, THAT HAS INSIGNIFICANT NEED OF REPAIR THAT HAS BEEN ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE YEARS. UH, I DISAGREE WITH, UH, UH, THE PRESENTATION, UH, THAT IT'S OF THAT SIGNIFICANCE. AND I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THE, YOU KNOW, HOW THESE THINGS MEET THE CRITERIA THAT IS, THAT IS OUTLINED. BUT IN ANY EVENT, UH, I'M OPPOSED TO IT. UH, THE COST TO REPAIR, UH, EXCEEDS THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE. UH, AND THE HOUSE IS OCCUPIED BY TRANSIENT, ONGOING. WE CONTINUE TO CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A RISK AND A DANGER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS THIS THING DOWN. I WANT IT DOWN. UH, AND I'M, I'M ASKING YOU TO DENY HISTORICALLY ZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU. MR. ER. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? STAFF? YES, SIR. WE'RE GONNA BE BEGIN CALLS ITEM. UH, YES. UH, MY NAME IS WILL MCLEOD, W I L L M C L O D. AND I OPPOSE THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY AT TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I BELIEVE THE ZIP CODE IS 7 8 2 1 2, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. IT IS BLIGHT. IT NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN YESTERDAY. UM, THE OWNER WANTS TO TEAR IT DOWN. UM, THERE'S NOTHING HISTORIC ABOUT IT. IT'S AN IOR AND IF THE OWNER WANTS TO DEMOLISH IT, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO. PROPERTY ON TWO 12 EAST DEWEY PLACE, SPELLED LIKE THE DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM. D E W E Y PLACE, 7 8 2 1 2. UM, I'M ASKING YOU TO OPPOSE THE HISTORIC DESTINATION AT THAT PROPERTY. THE OWNER WANTS TO, UH, DEMOLISH IT. SO IT, IT'S, IT, I'M LOOKING AT A GOOGLE MAPS AND IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A CASE FOR IT. IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN. UM, THAT'S WHAT THE OWNER WANTS TO DO. UM, YOU SHOULD ALLOW THE OWNER TO DO THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [00:30:01] UM, DR. HAY, WOULD YOU LIKE ANY REBUTTAL OR WE CAN GO STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONS. I I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, DR. HAY. UH, THIS IS A COM THIS IS A COUNCIL ONE DISTRICT CASE. AND, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. UM, I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, BOTH FOR STAFF AS WELL AS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, FOR STAFF. UM, IS THIS BUILDING, UM, ON THE, AND FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NAME, BUT IS IT ENROLLED IN THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM, UM, THAT'S RUN BY THE CITY AND, AND ARE WE KEEPING TRACK OF THAT? IT IS, UH, WITHIN THE PROGRAM AREA, UH, FOR THE VACANT BUILDING REGISTRATION PROGRAM. AND, UM, YES, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THE, THE, THERE IS A CASE MANAGER ASSIGNED TO THIS PROPERTY, UM, AND, UH, HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON IT. IT, I WAS GONNA ASK IF, IF WE KNOW IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY ACTIONS, UM, BROUGHT AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH RESPECT TO THIS, BECAUSE IT DOES APPEAR THAT IF, IF WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH FOLKS BEING ABLE TO ACCESS IT, THAT THE PROPERTY'S MAYBE NOT BEEN SECURED THE WAY THAT WAS INTENDED BY THE FOLKS WHO DRAFTED THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE. SO I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S FOLLOWING UP ON THAT PROCESS. YES, I, I THINK I, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL FOR THE, THE STATUS OF THAT CASE. I, UM, I, AS I SAID, I, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CASE MANAGER ASSIGNED AND THEY HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UM, WHAT, UH, WHAT STAGE THAT, UM, THAT HAD BEEN IN. OKAY. UM, OKAY. SO, AND FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER, UM, DO YOU OWN ANY OTHER PROPERTY ON THAT BLOCK? UH, YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. AM I OKAY? UH, YES, I DO. UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, UH, I OWN ABOUT, WELL, ON THAT BLOCK. UH, I OWN, UH, TWO OTHER PROPERTIES IN, IN THE VICINITY THERE. SO I'M NOT SURE. I BELIEVE THERE ARE ONE OF 'EM MAY BE ON THAT BLOCK. I, OKAY. AND, AND WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THIS PROPERTY? UH, MY PLANS ARE TO BUILD, TO DO A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THERE. A MULTI-FAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY? YES, MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. AND, AND YOUR OTHER PROPERTY THAT'S ON THAT BLOCK, IS THAT ONE ALSO VACANT? NO. SO YOU, YOU HAVE A TENANT ACTUALLY IN THAT, THAT PROPERTY? YES. YES. OKAY. AND THIS, THIS PROPERTY APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN, UM, APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN OCCUPIED AS RECENT AS 2014. SO WHY HAS IT NOT BEEN OCCUPIED SINCE THEN? WELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN I, UH, PURCHASED, UH, THE PROPERTY. UH, BUT THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED AS ASSEMBLAGE. UH, AND, UM, AND WE HAD A FIRE, UH, A TRANSIENT THAT STARTED A FIRE IN THE BACK. UH, AND, AND WE HAD TO, TO DEMO, UH, AN OUTBUILDING, UH, IN THE BACK. AND, UH, THE TENANT WAS VACATED, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE FIRE. UH, AND THEN THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE KIND OF SPIRALED IT DOWN. UH, WE, UH, WE, AND, AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD ASKED, UH, I THINK YOUR STAFF PERSON BEFORE YOUR CO COMPLIANCE OFFICE OR, OR YOUR VACANT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION. THEY HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH ME AND WE BOARD UP THE HOUSE, UH, AND WE'VE DONE IT THREE TIMES. UH, BUT THEY KEEP RIPPING IT OFF AND OCCUPYING THE HOUSE. UH, AND SO, UH, THAT COMBINED WITH THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN, MY CONCERN IS THE REASON WHY, UH, WHAT PROMPTED ME TO INITIATE THE DEMOLITION. YEAH. AND I GUESS I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET TO WHY, WHY, WHY THE, WHY MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE HAVE BEEN OFFERS TO LEASE THIS PROPERTY AND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, WHO HAVE WANTED TO HELP, UM, TRY TO PRESERVE IT, AND THAT THOSE OFFERS WERE TURNED DOWN. WELL, I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHO, WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO, BUT I'VE NEVER RECEIVED AN OFFER, UH, TO LEASE THE HOUSE. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROME? [00:35:01] YES. UM, I GUESS MAYBE THERE'S TWO TOBIN HILL ASSOCIATIONS, BUT CAN, CAN WE CLARIFY THAT? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMEBODY SAID TOBIN HILL ASSOCIATION WAS AN OPPOSITION, BUT THEN WE HEARD THAT IT WAS TOBIN HILL WHO ACTUALLY NOMINATED THIS FOR HISTORIC STATUS. SO I GUESS DR. HAY, ARE THOSE THE SAME ORGANIZATIONS, IF YOU KNOW YES. OR STAFF? YES. THEY, THEY ARE THE SAME ORGANIZATIONS. AND THE, THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ACTUALLY CHANGED POSITIONS, UM, ON THIS CASE. DR. OAL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, WELL, UNLESS THERE'S AN EXPLANATION FROM DR. HAY, THEN NO, NO MORE QUESTIONS. DR. HAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT? UH, I, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN MEETING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND, UH, HAD, UM, THEY REACHED OUT TO US TO LET US KNOW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO OPPOSE THE DESIGNATION AFTER THEIR MOST RECENT SITE VISIT. UM, THEIR, UH, THAT WAS SORT OF ALL THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME AS WELL. SO I WON'T PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTH, . FAIR ENOUGH. THANK YOU DR. ROMERO. THANK YOU. UH, OTHER COMMISSIONER'S, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, JUST TO STAB, UM, I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY, ARE WE GIVING THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION IF IT PASSED ON THE PROPERTY, DOES THAT MEAN THE DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE WOULD CEASE OR DOES THAT MEAN THE DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE COULD CONTINUE? BUT NOW THE MF 33 IS UNDER HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND MUST BE BUILT UNDER HISTORIC GUIDELINES. SO IF THE, UM, IF THE DESIGNATION WERE TO BE, UM, APPROVED EVENTUALLY BY CITY COUNCIL, UH, THAT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE DEMOLITION, THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD STILL REQUEST DEMOLITION. UM, IT'S JUST A, A DIFFERENT PROCESS. THEY WOULD NEED TO, UH, PROVIDE INFORMATION, UM, REGARDING, UH, HOW, UM, RETAINING THE BUILDING WOULD BE A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP. UM, SO THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE THAT OPTION AVAILABLE TO THEM. UM, IF THEY DID CHOOSE, AGAIN, THIS IS IF THE DESIGNATION WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, IF THEY DID CHOOSE TO BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY, UM, THEN YES, THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WAS BUILT THERE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. AND, UM, DR. HEY, COULD YOU TELL ME, YOU LEFT OFF, YOU LEFT US IN 1920, I THINK, WAS THE LAST HISTORIC PERSON TO LIVE THERE, THE OWNER OF A PAWN SHOP, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IT WAS 1918 TO 19 20 19. 19 TO 1928. AND THE REASON I INCLUDED THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION WAS BECAUSE, UH, ONE OF THE, THE CRITERIONS THAT THE, THE CRITERION THAT WAS MET, UM, BY THIS PROPERTY WAS AN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS, UH, SIGNIFICANT PERSON. SO THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE SURE AND SPECIFY WHEN THAT PERSON LIVED AT THIS PROPERTY. SO IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO HISTORIC THE QUALITY OF THE HOUSE, JUST THAT THE HOUSE EXISTED BACK IN 1901 AND HAS STOOD THE TEST OF TIME , BECAUSE I'M NOT FOLLOWING WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO ANY OF US AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 2021, A PAWN SHOP OWNER IN 1920, WHICH I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY HAD PAWN SHOPS IN 1920 GUESS PAWN SHOPS HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER. OKAY. SO YOUR, YOUR GOAL WOULD BE TO, YOU PURCHASED THE HOUSE, YOU HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WANNA DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY ON THE SITE. HOW MANY UNITS WOULD YOU BUILD? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT, UH, ON THE, ON THE DESIGN. AND I ALREADY OWN THE HOUSE. IT'S NOT THAT I WANNA PURCHASE IT, BUT I, I DO WANNA, I DO WANT TO, UM, UH, TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT WHEN TOBIN HILL INITIALLY, UH, UH, WERE ON THE SIDE OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, THAT WAS BEFORE THEY SAW THE HOUSE? CORRECT. SO, UH, IT WAS, IT, IT WAS THE, IT WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THAT, UH, CONTACTED THE COUNCIL MEMBER JUST INSISTED, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ZONE HISTORIC HERE. AND THAT'S WHEN THEY CALLED THE MEETING OUT THERE. AND AFTER THEY SAW IT, THEY RECOGNIZED IT. THIS IS NOT, UM, UH, UH, THE TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT WARRANTS THAT. IN FACT, IT DILUTES REALLY, UH, THE SIGNIFICANCE, YOU KNOW, OF THAT. [00:40:01] WHO, WHO WAS THAT, THAT WAS THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN? WHO, ONCE THEY LOOKED AT IT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC AND THE COUNCIL'S OFFICE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE COUNCIL OFFICE, ONCE THEY SAW IT, SAID, OH, WAIT, THIS ISN'T HISTORIC LOOKING. NO, I'M, I'M, I'M SAYING THE, THE, TO THE TOBIN, THE TOBIN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCI THAT INITIALLY FAVORED IT CHANGED THEIR VOTE. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. AND SO, SO YOU'VE HAD SOME CRIME ON THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT CAUSED A FIRE. SO THAT'S A LIABILITY TO YOU. YES. AND HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU CALLED THE POLICE OUT TO THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENCE AREA? UH, MANY TI MANY TIMES. IN FACT, WHAT I TOLD THE COUNCIL WAS WHAT WE WERE TOLD BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE LAST TIME I SENT SOMEONE THERE, IT'S BEEN ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO, AND ONE OF THE TENANTS THERE PULLED A KNIFE ON THE GENTLEMAN THAT I SENT OUT THERE. SO WE CONTACTED THE POLICE. IN FACT, HE COULD NOT EVEN GET TO HIS CAR, SO WE HAD TO CALL THE POLICE TO ESCORT HIM TO HIS CAR. AND THE POLICE TOLD US, DO NOT GO TO THAT HOUSE WITHOUT CONTACTING US FIRST, WHICH IS WHAT THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE WHEN THEY WERE GONNA HAVE THIS MEETING AT THE HOUSE. I MADE SURE THAT THEY DID THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. MM-HMM. . OH, UH, I'M VERY SORRY TO HEAR THAT HAPPENED TO YOUR EMPLOYEE. YEAH. UM, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER JONES AND THEN WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. I HAD A QUESTION FOR, UH, DR. HAY. UM, THE, UH, I, I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, A PAWN SHOP OWNER IS, MAKES IT A HISTORIC PERSON OF SIGNIFICANCE. I, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE CRITERIA OF WHATS WHAT A WHAT A SIGNIFICANT PERSON THAT CONTRIBUTES TO SAN ANTONIO, WHAT, WHAT THAT CRITERIA IS. SO THIS PROPERTY MET FOUR DIFFERENT CRITERIA. UM, IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE, UH, TO BE A LANDMARK, A PROPERTY WOULD NEED TO MEET THREE. SO, UM, ONE OF THOSE WAS ITS ASSOCIATION WITH MR. MICHAEL AND I, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE ALL KIND OF FOCUSED A LITTLE BIT ON THAT PAWN SHOP BIT, BUT I THINK, UM, THE, THE CONTRIBUTION THAT WAS DOCUMENTED, UM, BY MR. MICHAEL AND HIS FAMILY WAS, UM, HAVING A, A BUSINESS IN SAN ANTONIO THAT WAS, UM, UH, LASTED NEARLY A HUNDRED YEARS. SO, UM, PARTIAL, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PARTIALLY A PAWN SHOP. IT WAS ALSO A JEWELRY SHOP. UM, I THINK THERE WERE OTHER, UH, OTHER BUSINESS, UM, VENTURES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS, THAT'S JUST ONE. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE THREE OTHERS FOR ITS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, FOR ITS REPRESENTATION OF A FORM THAT, THAT IS MISSING AS, YOU KNOW, UH, BEEN THREATENED AND THEN ALSO BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION IN TOBIN HILL. SO, UM, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? UH, SORT OF SO THAT, THAT YOU PUT INTO THE CRITERIA, THE LENGTH THAT THE BUSINESS WAS OPEN? IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? SURE. SO, UM, THE, THE SPECIFIC CRITERION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UM, READS THAT, UH, HAS AN IDENTIFICATION WITH A PERSON OR PERSONS WHO SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, COUNTY, STATE, OR NATION. AND, UM, IN THIS CASE, UH, THIS, UM, UH, MR. MICHAEL, YOU KNOW, AND HIS FAMILY OWNED A BUSINESS THAT, UM, UH, DID SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JONES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I, SORRY, JUST ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE, LIKE YOU OR, OR AN, AN ORGANIZATION THAT YOU'RE AFFILIATED WITH OWNS THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS FRONTS ON MCCULLOUGH, AND IT APPEARS TO BE BOARDED UP AS WELL. I JUST WONDERED IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING AND WHAT CONDITION THAT BUILDING IS IN. I THINK IT WAS A FURNITURE COMPANY AT ONE POINT. OKAY. YOU'RE ASKING, I'M NOT THE APPLICANT. ARE YOU ASKING THE OWNER OR ARE YOU ASKING THE A SORRY. THE OWNER? YES. YEAH. SO THE PROPERTY THAT'S OCCUPIED IS AT 1812 MAIN, UH, THAT I WAS REFERRING TO. UH, THE FURNITURE COMPANY IS NOT, UH, OCCUPIED THAT WE'RE MARKETING FOR LEASE. OKAY. THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY BOARDED UP, THAT'S AT 1827 MCCULLOUGH. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE MARKETING THAT ONE FOR LEASE. [00:45:02] RIGHT. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. OKAY. UH, BACK TO DR. HAY. UM, OKAY, I'M JUST TRYING, I MEAN, BASED ON THAT CRITERIA, THAT IF YOU OWNED A BUSINESS AND THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT, UM, THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THAT MIGHT MAKE US ALL, UH, ALL OF OUR HOUSES, UH, HISTORIC. UH, I THINK YOU NEED TO EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. HOW IS IT THAT A BUSINESS OWNER OR WHO OWNED A BUSINESS FOR IT SOUNDED LIKE FIVE YEARS MAKES IT SIGNIFICANTLY HISTORIC? THAT'S ONE THOUGHT. THE OTHER THOUGHT IS HOW DOES THE DESIGN, WHICH IN TODAY'S CODE STANDARDS, WOULDN'T IT, WOULDN'T IT FLY THAT HOUSE IS GONNA FALL DOWN? THAT IF I LOOK AT THAT FRONT, UH, FRONT PORCH RIGHT THERE, IT'S, I I'M SURPRISED IT'S STILL STANDING. SO THAT RIGHT THERE, I, I WOULDN'T EVEN FLY IN OUR CODE TODAY. SO I, I HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU PURSUED THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ABOUT TO FALL DOWN, THAT HAVE VERY LITTLE SIGNIFICANCE HISTORICALLY. BUT OKAY. MAYBE THEY CAN MEET YOUR CRITERIA. I, I'M JUST, IT DOES SEEM, DR. HAY, YOU COME TO US WITH THESE, THESE, UH, HOUSES AND WE'RE, WE'RE HERE DISCUSSING HISTORIC BLIGHT MORE THAN WE ARE HISTORIC STORIES. AND, AND I, WITH RESPECT TO HIS HISTORY, WHICH I, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE, AND I, I GREW UP IN A HISTORIC TOWN, UH, YOU SEEM TO BE STRETCHING THESE. HOW IS IT THAT A PERSON WHO OWNED A BUSINESS IN 1920 FOR FIVE YEARS BECOMES A PART OF THAT HISTORIC CRITERIA? UH, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN EXPLAIN OR NOT EXPLAIN, BUT IT'S JUST NOT CONVINCING ME OF ANYTHING. I, I WILL CLARIFY THAT THE BUSINESS IN QUESTION WAS FOUNDED IN 1871 AND LASTED TO 1958. UH, AND IT WAS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL BUSINESS, WAS OWNED BY HIS FATHER AND THEN BY HIM. UM, AND, UH, YEAH, I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THOSE THINGS. UM, AND THEN ALSO TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, THIS CASE CAME TO US AS A REQUEST FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THE COMMISSION, UH, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO, UM, LISTEN TO COMMUNITY REQUESTS LIKE THIS. AND THEY, THEY DID THAT. THEY AGREED THAT IT WAS SIGNIFICANT, AND THEN IT WENT ON TO CITY COUNCIL. AND SO, UM, CITY COUNCIL THEN DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION. SO I, UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S HOW THIS CASE WAS BROUGHT TO YOU TODAY. OKAY. BUT THE PERSON WHO LIVED IN THE HOUSE, IT WAS NOT MULTI-GENERATIONAL THAT LIVED IN THE HOUSE. THEY LIVED THERE FOR, FOR, IT SOUNDED LIKE FIVE YEARS, I GUESS, THE OWNERS OF THIS BUSINESS. AND THEN THEY WERE GONE. THIS HOUSE JUST WENT TO, TO FROM OWNER TO OWNER TO OWNER NOW TO BLIGHT. TO BLIGHT TO BLIGHT. SO HOW DOES, HOW DO YOU, I MEAN, THEY'RE GONE. THERE'S NO ATTACHMENT TO THIS HOUSE, TO THE PERSON. I, I GUESS ONCE SOMEBODY FAMOUS LIVES THERE, IT'S ALL, I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS IT'S SOMETHING I HAD TO THINK ABOUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO HISTORIC VALUE. AND TELL ME WHAT REALLY QUICK, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A MINUTE HERE, BUT WHAT IS THE BENEFIT THEN, OF KEEPING THAT HISTORIC VALUE? TELL ME THE BENEFIT. YOU DO EXIST FOR A REASON. SO THE BENEFITS ME AND DISTRICT NINE, IT BENEFITS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THERE. WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO KEEPING THAT AS A HISTORIC HOUSE IN ITS CONDITION? UM, COMMISSIONER, I, I DON'T THINK THAT I, UH, AM SUGGESTING THAT IN THE CURRENT CONDITION THAT, UH, A, A LANDMARK WOULD, UM, BE OF BENEFIT. WE CERTAINLY WOULD WANT THE, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY TO CONTINUE TO STAND. AND SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT, THAT WE WOULD HOPE WOULD HAPPEN. THERE WOULD BE NO IMPROVEMENTS, DOCTOR, WE ARE NOT GUARANTEED THAT IT'S A BURDEN ON, ON THESE OWNERS. YOU BRING 'EM TO US AND IT'S A HARDSHIP. ONE OF 'EM WAS $400,000 TO IMPROVE, AND IT'S PROBABLY STILL SITTING THERE DILAPIDATED TODAY. SO THE BENEFIT, YOU, YOU NEVER CAN TELL ME THE BENEFIT OF THESE BLIGHTED HOUSES TO STAND IN, IN HISTORIC, IN A, IN A HISTORIC WAY. SO, ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I WOULD ASK ALL COMMISSIONERS TO PLEASE TREAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO APPEAR BEFORE THIS COMMISSION WITH RESPECT AND WASH THEIR TONES AS THEY DO IT. AND I, I INCLUDE MYSELF, CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER. YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. YOU KNOW, I, I [00:50:01] OBJECT TO THAT, UH, LITTLE COMMENTARY THERE. I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE GET THESE CASES OFTEN AND THIS IS THE ONLY I UNDERSTAND I HAVE, SO, AND COMMISSIONER GIBBS BEHALF THE PUBLIC COMMISSIONER BEHALF, I HAVE TO GIVE THAT COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. THANK YOU. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THAT COMMENT NOW. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION LATER, SO YOU CAN RAISE THOSE ISSUES DURING DISCUSSION. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE YOUR GO QUESTION TO GO AFTER DR. HAY. I'M NOT, BUT SHE IS, SHE IS PAID WITH THE CITY AND SHE IS HERE TO, TO ANSWER THE PUBLIC QUESTIONS, WHICH I ASK. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, MY JOB IS TO RUN THIS MEETING. I ASK YOU PLEASE TO ASK QUESTIONS DURING THE QUESTIONS, GIVE COMMENT DURING THE COMMENT AND BE POLITE TO OUR WITNESSES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SECOND ROUND? SEEING NONE, UH, WE WILL GO. OH, NOPE. I SAW COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, JUST A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS FOR ME. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT IS ALSO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THERE ON MCCULLOUGH 1827? I THINK IT WAS. AND I'M SORRY. THAT'S CORRECT. MR. DANIEL, THAT'S THE OWNER, NOT THE APPLICANT. OH, THE OWNER. OKAY. OKAY, GOTCHA. UM, AND I GUESS QUESTION FOR STAFF, THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE MF 33 ZONING ON IT. UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE ALLOWED SHOULD, UH, THE ZONING COMMISSION NOT AGREE WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION? MA'AM, THAT'S GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN UNITS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, DR. HAY, UH, SO I UNDERSTAND, I GUESS THE, THE REASONS THAT WE LOOK AT THIS FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK, NONE OF THE CONDITIONS OR THE CRITERIA IN WHICH YOU LOOK AT THESE, UH, PROPERTIES, DO THEY INCLUDE AT ALL ANY OF THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE STRUCTURE? NO, THE, UM, THE CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AT THIS STAGE. YOU KNOW, I, I MENTIONED EARLIER THE, UM, IF THE PROPERTY WERE DESIGNATED AND THE PROPERTY OWNER STILL WANTED TO PURSUE, UM, A DEMOLITION, UM, THAT, THAT IT'S AT THAT POINT THAT THE CONDITION IS CONSIDERED AS PART OF, UM, SORT OF THE COMMISSION'S PURVIEW IS, UM, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND, FOR THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE PROCESS THAT THEY DID DECIDE THEY DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE SCALE OF DAMAGE OR REPAIR NEEDED TO THAT HOUSE TO GAIN APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION? I MEAN, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO DO THAT? SO, UM, I I WILL SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S UNUSUAL FOR, UH, FOR DEMOLITION TO BE GRANTED FOR DESIGNATED PROPERTIES. BUT IT'S, UM, WE DO, WE DO SEE REQUESTS COME THROUGH. WE DO SEE DEMOLITIONS HAPPEN. UM, THE, UH, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SHOW THAT IT'S, UH, AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. AND, UM, SINCE WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT STAGE YET, I DON'T THINK I COULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EXACTLY HOW DIFFICULT WOULD BE BECAUSE I, I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO, UM, TO BRING THIS PROPERTY UP. UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE WE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT STAGE OF THE CONVERSATION. OKAY. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF, PLEASE. STAFF, IF, UM, IF THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL DECIDES TO, UM, STAMP THIS WITH AN HL, UM, DOES THE OWNER OR THE APPLICANT STILL HAVE THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS GIVEN THE MF 33, UM, ZONING RIGHT NOW? SO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DOES NOT CONTROL THE USE OR DENSITY OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S ALL ABOUT DESIGN. SO, UM, DEPENDING UPON IF THIS, IF THIS APPLICATION WENT, UM, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY H D R C. AND, UM, THAT INCLUDES, UH, THE LAYOUT, THE MASKING. AND FROM THERE, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THEY APPROVE, WHAT THE STRUCTURE LOOKS LIKE, YOU THEN HAVE TO WORK WITH THAT, UM, PLACEMENT AND, AND FIT YOUR USE IN. OKAY. SO AGAIN, IF IT HAS HL, HOW MANY UNITS WITH MF 33 STILL BE ALLOWED TO ADD? IS IT STILL SEVEN UNITS WITH THE HL OR JUST AS IT IS WITH [00:55:01] MF 33? IT WOULD BE SEVEN UNITS. IT'S A TOTAL OF SEVEN THAT THEY HAVE THE MAXIMUM TO, UM, TO DEVELOP ON. AND THEN FROM THERE THEY HAVE TO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENT. OKAY. THOSE ARE THE, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THE DENSITY IS THE SAME WITH MF 33 WITHOUT HISTORIC LANDMARK AND WITH HISTORIC LANDMARK. IS IT SEVEN UNITS EITHER WAY, TOTAL FOR THAT PROPERTY? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ANYONE ELSE? FINAL QUESTIONS? ANYONE? ALRIGHT. IS THERE A TIME FOR ME TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT OR IS THERE NO, SIR, NOT I QUESTION. AND THAT'S IT. NO, SIR. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE HAD YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER ANTE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REALLY SAD CASE. UM, AS RECENTLY AS 2014, THIS PROPERTY WAS PROVIDED HOUSING. UM, IF YOU LOOK BACK 2010, THERE'S PHOTOS FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT WAS BEING OCCUPIED, UM, AND, AND WAS NOT A BLIGHT, UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO THIS IS REALLY, IN MY OPINION, AN EXTREMELY SAD CASE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OUT OF TOWN PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS ESSENTIALLY EMPLOYED, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT AN OPERATION OF A NUISANCE TO THE POINT THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE BEGGING THEM TO TEAR THIS PROPERTY DOWN. AND IT IS WITH GREAT RELUCTANCE THAT I WILL MOTION FOR DENIAL FOR THIS HISTORIC LANDMARK CASE. AND IT'S REALLY BECAUSE OF THE, THE OUTCRY BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS WHO LIVE AROUND THERE WHOSE, WHOSE SAFETY AND SECURITY AND LIVELIHOODS HAVE BEEN THREATENED BY THE OPERATION OF THIS PROPERTY. AND SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CURRENTLY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS THROUGH THE BAD ACTIONS OF A PROPERTY OWNER. AND I REALLY WANNA TAKE THIS TIME TO SAY THAT THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE NEEDS AN OVERHAUL. IT NEEDS TO HAVE MORE TEETH. THIS HAS PUT ME IN A POSITION AS COMMISSIONER AND, AND THE NEIGHBORS, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT WE'RE INCENTIVIZING THE WRONG BEHAVIOR FROM THE FOLKS WHO COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO COMMIT WASTE ON THEIR PROPERTY, DESTROYING OUR HOUSING STOCK, WHICH, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS HOME WOULD BE PROBABLY AN AFFORDABLE OPTION FOR FOLKS CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, CLOSE TO THE PEARL. SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE GONNA BE DESTROYING WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN IF IT HAD BEEN PROPERLY MAINTAINED, A GREAT OPTION FOR A FAMILY THAT WANTED TO LIVE CLOSE TO THAT AREA, UM, CONTRIBUTING TO GENTRIFICATION, DECIMATING OUR CULTURE, UM, OTHERWISE DEVALUING OUR COMMUNITY BY ALLOWING BAD ACTORS TO COME IN AND BE BAD NEIGHBORS FOR THEIR OWN ECONOMIC BENEFIT. SO IT WAS WITH GREAT RELUCTANCE THAT I MOTION FOR DENIAL FOR ITEM NUMBER 22. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER 22. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT, NOW WE WILL BEGIN DISCUSSION, UH, COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH. UM, I WANT TO SAY THAT I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR DENIAL. UM, ALSO WANNA ECHO SOME OF, UH, COMMISSIONER GRADE HOUSE'S COMMENTS THERE. UM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE GOTTA BE REAL, REAL CAREFUL ON THESE, ON THESE HISTORICAL DESIGNATIONS. AND I, AND I THINK FRANKLY, MY VOTING RECORD ON THE PAST ON THESE IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YES, SOMETIMES NO, BUT, BUT WHENEVER IT'S A, UH, WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING AWAY SOME PROPERTY RIGHTS, UM, FROM AN OWNER ON ONE OF THESE, I JUST ASK THAT WE REALLY BE C CAREFUL AND, AND, AND, UH, AND MINDFUL OF PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUES. AND THIS ONE, TO ME JUST STRIKES ME AS A REAL STRETCH, UM, FROM THE, UH, FROM THE LOOK OF IT, FROM THE, UH, FROM THE FOUR FACTORS THAT, THAT WE HEARD ABOUT. UM, I WOULD ARGUE THAT, THAT IT REALLY DOESN'T MEET A COUPLE OF THOSE, UH, CRITERIA THAT, THAT WE WERE TOLD THAT IT DOES. UM, AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, I DON'T FIND THAT THAT THIS ONE WOULD MEET THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION. AND I HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE, UM, ON FUTURE CASES WITH, WITH THIS ISSUE, THAT WE REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT CLOSELY BEFORE WE TAKE AWAY SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITE. UH, COMMISSIONER ROME. THANK YOU. I GUESS I'LL SAY WHAT I ALWAYS [01:00:01] SAY, BUT I'LL TRY AND SAY IT FASTER. UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. THE ARGUMENT YOU MADE. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT, BUT I CAN SEE WHY YOU'RE MAKING IT. I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA SAY THIS AGAIN 'CAUSE IT, IT, IT'S AN ISSUE. IT'S PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE WITH THE CRITERIA. THAT'S NOT OUR JOB, THOUGH. THAT'S CITY COUNCIL'S JOB. PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE WITH WHETHER THE CRITERIA APPLY. THAT'S NOT OUR JOB, AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY MAKES IT UNFAIR TO DR. HAY. SHE'S NOT PRESENTING THE ARGUMENT THAT SHE PRESENTS TO H D R C IN FAVOR OF WHY THE CRITERIA SHOULD APPLY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUDGING IT ON THAT METRIC. AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO HOLD HER TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO JUDGE. WE'RE HERE TO JUDGE. GIVEN THE CRITERIA WE HAVE GIVEN THAT THE OFFICE AND THE H D R C HAS SAID THAT THEY SHOULD APPLY, THEN SHOULD THIS BE ZONED WITH A HISTORIC LANDMARK STATUS. AND COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAS GIVEN THE BEST ARGUMENT I'VE EVER HEARD AS TO WHY THE ANSWER TO THAT SHOULD BE NO, GIVEN THAT THE OTHER TWO THINGS ARE NOT IN OUR PURVIEW. BUT I CAN'T GET PAST, UM, THE INCENTIVIZING OF BAD BEHAVIOR WITH IT, BUT I DO ABSOLUTELY RESPECT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DR. ROME. DOC, UH, SORRY. I'M ABOUT TO SAY DR. MCDANIEL. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. COULDN'T FIND MY MUTE BUTTON. UM, I ECHO, UH, OUR GREAT ZONING COMMISSIONERS, UM, GREAT HOUSE AND ROMERO, I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS YOU'VE SAID. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN THINKING WHILE I'VE HEARD THESE DISCUSSIONS. AND I JUST WANNA ADD TO THAT, THAT I BELIEVE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION IS TO DO JUST THAT, TO DESIGNATE THE HOUSE AS SOMETHING HISTORIC, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING OF ITS TIME IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS TO CURRENT TODAY. IT'S SAD, AND I SEE THIS MANY TIMES IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY THAT HOUSES ARE NEGLECTED AND WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS HORRIBLE SITUATION. I KNOW THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND OUT THERE FOR HOUSING STOCK. I HAVE NO DOUBTS THAT SOMEBODY WOULDN'T FIND AN IMPROVED STRUCTURE HERE, VERY APPEALABLE. AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE ADDITION OF AN, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THE BACK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INCOME. UM, I ALSO FIND THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT CAN STILL APPEAL FOR DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY AND BUILD HIS APARTMENT UNITS IN A HISTORICAL LOOKING FASHION THAT WOULD HELP KEEP WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE WITH THIS ACTUAL DESIGNATION. UH, I WILL, UH, NOT BE SUPPORTING YOUR MOTION, BUT THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS, I, UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES AND THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. YES. UM, I'LL BE HONEST, I I I HAVE NOT DECIDED WHICH WAY I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS. I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE BOTH, UH, COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S, UM, EXPLANATION AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER ROMERO'S. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I LIVE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND I HAVE SEEN WHERE WE'VE HAD HOMES THAT, UM, HAD BEEN NEGLECTED AND UNDER THE THREAT OF DEMOLITION. AND I REMEMBER AS A, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT AT THE TIME SAYING, WELL, MAYBE IT'S JUST BETTER IF IT GOES AWAY. AND, UM, BUT THANKFULLY SOMEONE CAME AND FIXED IT UP AND IT'S, AND IT'S AWESOME. SO I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION. UM, AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHERE HISTORIC HAS LOOKED AT THIS. HISTORIC HAS, UM, LOOKED AT THE GUIDELINES AND DETERMINED THAT IT, IT DOES QUALIFY. AND SO, UM, I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOUR VIEWPOINTS AND YOU'VE JUST MADE IT THE DECISION EVEN HARDER, UNFORTUNATELY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER S SIPES, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, I AM NOT AN ADVOCATE FOR SHAMING PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, THAT IS HIS LAND. HE PAYS TAXES ON IT AND HE HAS A PLAN TO DEVELOP IT TO INCREASE THE HOUSING STOCK ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET. I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER SINGLE HOMES AND IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR THE MF 33 THAT'S DESIGNATED AND THAT'S OUR JOB HERE. AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC, UH, DESIGNATION GOES, I BELIEVE THERE ARE 16 DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS COULD BE LOOKED AT. ONLY THREE WERE CHOSEN AND ONLY IT ONLY MET THREE. SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE THE DISCUSSION. IT'S DIFFICULT TO SE TO BRING US A HOUSING STOCK THAT YOU SAY HISTORICAL AND ONLY MEET THREE OUTTA 16 CRITERIA. SEEMS [01:05:01] LIKE THERE SHOULD BE MORE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S NOT THE HISTORIC DEPARTMENTS, DEPARTMENT'S PROPERTY. IT IS OWNED BY A PROPERTY OWNER AND WE SHOULD RESPECT PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. I'M GLAD THAT SHE WENT FOR A DENIAL. THAT IS THE CORRECT, UH, MOTION FOR THIS CASE. I HOPE, UH, THE OWNER'S LISTENING, I HOPE YOU SUCCESSFUL IN CITY COUNCIL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THIS, THIS DISCUSSION TODAY, UH, GOES TOWARDS WHAT WE THINK THE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE SHOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE O H P APPLIES THREE CRITERIA OUT OF THE 16 BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE FEEL INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A COMMISSION, UH, THAT THERE SHOULD BE MORE, THAT IS A QUESTION FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DETERMINE ON STATUTE. SIMILARLY, UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE CODE IS TO PREVENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, WHERE THE PERSON WHO INITIATED THIS PROCESS REVERSES THEMSELVES. AND WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, EVEN WHEN IT MAY NOT BE IN THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IN THE CODE, UM, OFFERING FOR THESE KINDS OF CASES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY. UM, SIMILARLY WITH RESPECT TO THOSE WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE STATE OF THE HOUSES THAT MIGHT BE DEEMED HISTORIC. YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE ARE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS BECAUSE WE ONLY LOOK AT DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT ONCE AND, AND THE O AND THE EXPENSE TO THE OWNER ONCE THE HOUSE HAS BEEN, OR OTHER BUILDING HAS BEEN DESIGNATED HISTORIC. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE CODE. I SHARE COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE CONCERNS REGARDING INCENTIVIZING BAD BEHAVIOR, LEAVING A HOUSE EMPTY FOR SIX YEARS. UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. UH, I BELIEVE I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, BUT THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND I HOPE THE CITY COUNCIL ADDRESSES MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE AND I HOPE WE WILL SHARE THEM WITH CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. UM, STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI. DR. ROMERO? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. PROTE. GREATHOUSE. SORRY. PROAM. GREATHOUSE? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE. UM, NO CHAIR. BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION FOR DENIAL PASSES. EIGHT TO THREE. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. STAFF, IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. UH, AND THERE IS A RECUSAL COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS RECUSING HERSELF. SHE HAS TURNED OFF HER CAMERA AND SHE HAS MUTED HER MICROPHONE. IF WE COULD HAVE THE STAFF PRESENTATION OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE, [6. 21-3591 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700033 (Council District 4): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-4 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on P-2C, CB 4286, located in the 10500 Block of Hunter's Pond. Staff recommends Denial. (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] BEFORE I DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER THREE, I JUST WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT. SO THIS CASE WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, AND THAT'S ITEM NUMBER SIX. GOING BACK [3. 21-3673 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700341 ERZD (Council District 8): A request for a change in zoning from “C-3 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD” General Commercial Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District and “C-3 MLOD-1 MLR-2” General Commercial Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District to “MF-33 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD” Multifamily Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District and “MF-33 MLOD-1 MLR-2” Multifamily Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District on Lot 33, NCB 14857, located at 12631 Vance Jackson Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] TO ITEM NUMBER. MM-HMM. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE E R Z D AND C THREE TO MF 33 AND MF 33 E R Z D. ALL OTHER OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 2 6 3 1 VAN JACKSON ROAD. 34 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. HUNTINGTON PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT AND FOUR OTHER NOTICES WERE RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BUFFER IN FAVOR, AS WELL AS FOUR WERE [01:10:01] RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE BUFFER IN OPPOSITION. THE CURRENT C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. I'M SORRY, SCRATCH THAT. THE EXISTING C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL BASED ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED M MS 33 ZONING IS A MORE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE AREA AS THE MF 33 ACTS AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE LARGE THOROUGHFARE AND THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS NEARBY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, WILL THEY INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND BEGIN THEIR PRESENTATION PLEASE? UH, YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. IT'S JAMES GRIFFIN WITH KILLING GRIFFIN AND FERMAN, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT. UM, UH, IF Y'ALL COULD START WITH THE SECOND SLIDE, UM, UH, SHOWN THE AERIAL, UH, GIVE YOU A LITTLE IDEA HERE AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT TO SAY, UH, ABOUT THIS PROJECT IN THIS CASE, BUT, UM, I, I, I KNOW WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED AND ALREADY AN AN HOUR IN, SO I WILL TRY TO, UH, SPEED IT UP AND, UM, MOVE QUICKLY. UH, THIS IS A LITTLE OVER 10 ACRE SITE, UH, RUNNING ON VANCE JACKSON RIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF I 10 AND DLA AT THE SITE OF WHAT IS NOW A, A VACANT MOVIE THEATER, UH, THAT WAS BUILT IN THE NINETIES. UM, UH, EVEN BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVIE THEATERS WERE, UH, WERE, WERE HAVING SOME ISSUES. SO THE CURRENT OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS WINEGAR REALTY, UH, WHO ALSO OWNS A MAJORITY OF THE SHOPPING CENTER SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY, UH, STARTED TO KIND OF, UH, LOOK AROUND AND PLAN FOR, UM, A, A BETTER USE OF THIS PROPERTY, SOMETHING THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT THE ADJACENT SHOPPING CENTER AND, AND THE AREA, UH, KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 10 ACRES OF, UH, OF RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL SPACE ON TOP OF A, UH, WHAT'S A LITTLE OVER 55 ACRES OF THE COMMERCIAL, UH, AT THE SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY AND AT THE HARD CORNER. UM, YOU KNOW, PROB PROBABLY NOT THE BEST USE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW CAN WE LIVEN THIS UP? SO, UM, MULTI-FAMILY WAS THE REALLY LOGICAL STEP THERE. UM, THIS WAS KIND OF AMPLIFIED BY, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE PANDEMIC, UH, REALLY BEING THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF THIS MOVIE THEATER, UH, AND, AND MANY OTHERS. UM, IF YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT KIND OF ZOOMS OUT A LITTLE BIT AND GET, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT AS TO WHERE WE ARE, UH, AND JUST HOW MUCH COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL YOU HAVE TO OUR NORTH AND OUR WEST, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, CROSS FENCE JACKSON TO OUR EAST AND, UH, ALONG OUR BORDER TO THE SOUTH. UM, THAT ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS HUNTINGTON PLACE, UM, WHICH I'LL, UH, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE ABOUT IN A SECOND HERE. BUT, UM, THE, THE C THREE ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, NOT A VERY, UH, APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT GIVEN THE ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND AGAIN, ANOTHER 10 ACRES OF, UH, WHAT IS NOW A VACANT MOVIE THEATER SPACE THAT BUILDING'S ABOUT 70,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL FOR WHAT IT, WHAT IT COULD BE, UH, IS A LITTLE SCARY. UH, AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE ENOUGH RETAIL HERE. SO THE, UH, SURROUNDING US, SO THE, UH, SO THE PRESSING NEED WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE LIVEN IT UP? UM, AND, AND THE ANSWER IS ADDING SOME, SOME NEW RESIDENTS HERE, SOME, UH, HIGH QUALITY MULTIFAMILY, THAT, THAT REALLY KIND OF CREATES A, A, A, A MIXED USE PROJECT HERE. UM, BECAUSE, UH, THESE NEW RESIDENTS, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WALK TO AN H E V, UH, BE ABLE TO WALK TO THESE RESTAURANTS, UH, THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE CENTER, UH, REALLY KIND OF BRING UP THE QUALITY OF TENANTS AND, AND OVERALL SHOPPING CENTER. UH, BY, LIKE I SAID, ADDING, ADDING SOME LIFE INTO IT, UM, ALSO REALLY PROVIDES A, A GOOD BUFFER, UH, TO THE MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL. THE REST OF THAT CENTER IS C THREE. UH, AND AGAIN, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS C THREE, UH, RUNNING RIGHT UP AGAINST SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO, UH, HAVING MULTI-FAMILY THERE. UM, KIND OF A NATURAL, UH, LAND USE PROGRESSION THERE. UH, FLIPPING OVER TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I'LL GO THROUGH THESE QUICKLY. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS JUST OUR, UH, FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THIS IS IN THE NORTH SECTOR PLAN, UM, KIND OF LIKE JUST DESCRIBED WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, AS A WHOLE. UM, THAT ENTIRE AREA IS DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL CENTER, UH, REGIONAL POWER CENTER, UM, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR REQUEST, UH, BUT ALSO INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL USES SUCH AS C THREE AND, AND C TWO, AND, [01:15:01] UM, EVEN SOME OF THE MORE INTENSE OFFICE USES. UM, THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE ZONING, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF C THREE. UH, AND THEN YOU SEE THE R FIVE TO OUR SOUTH AND TO OUR EAST. UH, WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING HERE, UH, IS AN MF 33 ZONING DISTRICT. UM, YOU SEE THE E R Z D DESIGNATION THERE AS WELL. THE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ON THE VANCE JACKSON SIDE, UH, IS RECHARGE ZONE. UM, WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING, UH, AGAIN, MF 33, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR WHAT IS NOW ABOUT 300 UNITS, UH, WHICH IS 29 UNITS PER ACRE. UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. UH, SAWS HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL. UM, AGAIN, YOU HAVE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE SITE THAT'S YEAR ED, UH, WHICH MOSTLY PAVEMENT PARKING LOT. NOW, UH, THIS REZONING WILL SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, AND REALLY BE A BENEFIT TO THE RECHARGE ZONE, UH, FACTOR HERE. UH, FLIPPING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE, UH, JUST A FEW OF THE, UH, USES THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING. AND I, I, I KNOW ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE, HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THIS BEFORE, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S PROBABLY SOME OUTDATED ZONING, UH, EXISTING, UH, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE HERE. UH, THAT EXISTING ZONING HERE, AGAIN, BEING C THREE, UH, RIGHT UP AGAINST, UH, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL, UM, WHEN THERE'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, PLENTY OF COMMERCIAL EXISTING, UH, SURROUNDING US. SO, YOU KNOW, THE OPTIONS OF, OF WHAT IT COULD BE, UH, WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE ARE, ARE A LITTLE SCARY, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UH, KIND OF EVERYBODY AROUND. UH, AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE, UH, WHAT IS NOW A, A MOVIE THEATER BUILDING THAT IS COMPLETELY EMPTY, VACANT, UH, DETERIORATING QUICKLY, BUT, UH, A LARGE SIZE TOO. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, 70,000 SQUARE FEET. SO, UM, YOU SEE SOME OF THE USES HIGHLIGHTED THERE THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT, WHAT COULD BE, UH, UNDER CURRENT ZONING TODAY. UH, FLIPPING TO THE NEXT SLIDE IS OUR SITE PLAN. AND THIS IS WHAT, UM, UH, WE'RE HOPING THE AFTER PICTURE IS FROM, UH, GOING FROM C THREE TO MF 33, UH, TO ALLOW FOR, UH, AGAIN, LUXURY, UM, CLASS A MULTIFAMILY, UH, AT ABOUT 300 UNITS, UH, OR EXACTLY 300 UNITS. UM, UH, YOU SEE THE, UH, SITE PLAN HERE. THERE'S GROUND FLOOR, UH, ALL IN ONE BUILDING, TWO INTERNAL COURTYARDS. WE ARE, UM, UH, A ABOUT A 150 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER 60 FEET OF A PRIVATE ROAD, UH, AND A LITTLE LANDSCAPE STRIP AGAINST THE, UH, EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY. UH, IF YOU RECALL A FEW SLIDES AGO, LOOKING AT THE AERIAL, THAT MOVIE THEATER BUILDING IS LESS THAN FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, SO ABOUT 65 FEET FROM THOSE HOMES. SO, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER BENEFITS IS THIS MULTIFAMILY REALLY PUSHES THE, UH, BUILDINGS AND THE USES AWAY FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY. UH, YOU CAN ALSO, UH, A LITTLE BIT, UH, SEE THE RECHARGE ZONE LINE DASHING THROUGH THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, WHAT IS NOW, UH, SEA OF PAVEMENT AND PARKING, UM, PRETTY HIGH IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED AND REPLACED, UH, WITH A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING. YOU HAVE YOUR DOG PARK AS WELL, UM, BUT, UH, A REAL BIG IMPROVEMENT THERE. ON, ON THE RECHARGE ZONE PIECE. UM, WE ARE, LIKE I MENTIONED, 300 UNITS BEING PROPOSED. UH, THAT'S BEEN REDUCED DOWN SEVERAL TIMES. OUR INITIAL PROPOSAL, UH, ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO WAS, UH, 400 UNITS. THAT WAS REDUCED DOWN TO 350, UH, AGAIN, DOWN TO 330. AND THEN, UH, MORE RECENTLY, UH, DOWN TO THE 300 THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY. UH, SO IF YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, THAT'S A RENDERING OF WHAT OUR PROJECT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. UM, HIGH QUALITY CONSTRUCTION, UH, MASONRY MATERIALS, WELL LANDSCAPED, UH, REALLY CLASS A PROJECT, UH, TO BE DEVELOPED BY, UH, A LOCAL DEVELOPER, UH, KOUNTZ CORPORATION. UM, THEY'VE DONE SOME, SOME VERY NICE PROJECTS HERE IN TOWN. AND, AND THIS ONE WILL BE, UH, YET ANOTHER ONE, UH, VERY WELL BOUGHT OUT AND DESIGNED BOTH, UH, BY THE DEVELOPER, BUT, UH, UH, KIND OF HAND IN HAND WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. UM, AND I, I'LL GET BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND. ALSO, UH, IF YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE CAUGHT UP HERE. UH, NEXT SLIDE WOULD BE PROJECT BENEFITS, UH, AFTER YOU SEE THE, THE RENDERING THERE. UM, COUPLE THINGS I'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON. ONE IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS. UH, EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVER WE'RE 94%, OVERALL, 92% [01:20:01] OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE PORTION. UH, UPON REDEVELOPMENT, THAT'LL BE REDUCED DOWN TO ABOUT 74% OVERALL, UH, AND LESS THAN 60% OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE. SO REPLACING PAVEMENT WITH, UH, A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND, AND PERVIOUS AREAS. UH, THE USE ITSELF, AGAIN, YOU HAVE A HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL C THREE WITH A EMPTY 70,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS LIMITED DENSITY, MF 33, ALTHOUGH AGAIN, OUR, OUR CURRENT DENSITY IS, UH, LESS THAN 30 UNITS PER ACRE. A LUXURY CLASS, A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT THAT'LL, UH, NOT JUST IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY, BUT, BUT REALLY, UM, INJECT SOME LIFE INTO THE, UH, ADJACENT, UH, SHOPPING CENTER. UH, AS FAR AS, UH, THE DENSITY AND OCCUPANCY, AGAIN, WE'RE AT 300 UNITS BEEN REDUCED DOWN BY, UH, A HUNDRED UNITS FROM OUR ORIGINAL, UH, 400 THAT WAS PROPOSED. UH, AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY, ALL OF THESE, UH, MULTIFAMILY UNITS WILL BE ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS. UH, MOSTLY ABOUT 70% WILL BE ONE BEDROOM. UH, SO THIS IS NOT FOR FAMILIES. IT'S NOT FOR STUDENTS. UH, IT'S REALLY, UH, LESS PEOPLE THAN I THINK YOUR, YOUR TYPICAL APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO, MOSTLY TWO BEDROOMS, UH, AND EVEN SOME THREE AND FOUR. THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, MOSTLY ONE BEDROOM UNITS, UH, WITH SOME TWO BEDROOMS, NOT, UM, UH, NOT ADDING A TON OF PEOPLE, UH, IN EACH UNIT OR OVERALL TO THE PROJECT. UH, THE OTHER ITEM YOU SEE ON THERE, UM, TRAFFIC, ALWAYS A, ALWAYS A CONCERN, ALWAYS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AS, AS Y'ALL ARE VERY AWARE, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR APARTMENTS AND, AND PROBABLY PARTICULARLY FOR THIS AREA AS WELL. UM, SO SOME MAJOR, MAJOR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW IT CAN BE, UH, IMPROVED. UH, ONE OF THOSE ITEMS IS THE DEVELOPER, UH, HAS AGREED TO, UH, COMPLETELY FUND AT, AT THEIR SOLE COST, UH, AND INSTALL, UH, A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT VANCE JACKSON AND NEW OAK PARK. UM, AND, AND THE PRIVATE DRIVE BEING THE, THE FOURTH LEG OF THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL. UM, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC, UH, MR. GRIFFIN, THANK YOU. UH, THAT IS YOUR TIME. OH, OKAY. UM, WELL, UH, I'LL, I'LL WRAP UP WITH, UH, SAYING WE, WE'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH HUNTINGTON PLACE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, UH, COME THROUGH WITH SOME EXTENSIVE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS TO, UH, UH, ENSURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS QUALITY AND COMPATIBLE FOR LONG TERM. THEY'RE VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT. UH, I WANT TO THANK THEM. AND, UM, SORRY FOR, FOR GOING OVER THE TIME. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. GRIFFIN. UH, THERE IS A SAS REPORT STAFF. YES, I BELIEVE, UH, MIKE BARR IS ON THE LINE. MIKE, ACTUALLY, IT'S, UH, MIKE ESCALANTE WITH FOR PROTECTION AND, AND EVALUATION SECTION. UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT 12 6 3 3 1 VANCE JACKSON ROAD TO ALLOW A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON 10.35 ACRES. THE SITE IS AN OUT OF BUSINESS MOVIE THEATER WITH A, UH, WITH AN ASSOCIATED PARKING LOT. THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, APPROXIMATELY 3.24 ACRES, LIES WITHIN THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE AND WITH, AND WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE RECHARGE ZONE. NO PORTION OF THE SITE IS WITHIN A FLOOD PLAIN, AND NO SENSITIVE FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE, NOR NOTED ON FILE. SAS IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT TO INCLUDE 65% IMPERVIOUS COVER FOR THE 3.24 ACRE PORTION LOCATED IN THE RECHARGE ZONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ESCALANTE. UM, ALRIGHT, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. WE DO. OUR FIRST CALL, UH, LIVE CALLER IS MIKE HARDEN. MR. HARDEN, IF YOU'RE ON THE LINE, CAN YOU PLEASE ADDRESS THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? SAN ANTONIO? YOU MAY NEED TO HIT SIX IN ORDER TO BE HEARD. YOU MAY NEED TO HIT IT, MR. HARDEN. MR. HARDEN, IF YOU'D PRESS STAR SIX, PLEASE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, SIR. WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. UH, STATE YOUR ADDRESS [01:25:01] AND THEN ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE. YES, SIR. MY NAME IS MIKE HARDEN. I HAVE BEEN A HUNTINGTON PLACE RESIDENCE SINCE, UH, 1985, I'M SORRY, 1995. AND MY ADDRESS IS 1902 INDIAN MEADOWS DRIVE, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE THEATER, WHICH IS UNDERGOING REVIEW TODAY. UM, I SUPPORT, UH, THIS, UH, PROPOSED REZONING. AND, UH, IN THE TIME AVAILABLE, I WOULD SIMPLY LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF, UH, OBJECTIONS, WHICH I'VE SEEN IN EMAILS FROM OTHER PEOPLE, UH, THAT SEEM TO BE THE MOST PREVALENT, UH, UH, AGAINST THIS IDEA. UH, THIS FALLS UNDER THE HEADING FIRST OF THERE ARE TOO MANY APARTMENTS IN THE AREA ALREADY, AND SECONDLY, THAT IT WILL, UH, WORSEN THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS THAT EXIST ON VANCE JACKSON AND VALLA TO PUT THE, UH, SECOND, UH, POINT. FIRST, THE TRAFFIC CONDITION, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS AN EXISTING POSITION, UH, CONDITION. ITS UNDERLYING CAUSE IS THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, AND IT WILL GET WORSE REGARDLESS OF WHAT GOES IN TO REPLACE THE, UH, THEATER. THE CITY HAS FORMALLY RECOGNIZED THE REQUIREMENT FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT, ALTHOUGH NOT FUNDED IT. AND AS YOU HAVE HEARD, THE AGREEMENT OR THE COMMITMENT OF THE DEVELOPER TO FUND THE, UH, INSTALLATION OF A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE LOCATION WILL ACTUALLY, UH, AMELIORATE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION RATHER THAN MAKING IT WORSE. BUT TOO MANY APARTMENTS ARGUMENT, WHICH FRANKLY SEEMS TO BE MADE BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE NEAR ME, UH, IGNORES THE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. AS YOU HAVE HEARD, IT IS A LIMITED SPACE, WHICH IS BOUNDED ALREADY BY BUSINESSES AND PRIVATE FAMILY DWELLINGS. UH, THERE'S NO ROOM TO BUILD A SPRAWLING COMPLEX, BUT IT IS A PERFECT SIZE FOR THE SORT OF, UH, HIGH, UM, HIGH RENT OR LUXURY APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BRING IN, UH, TENANTS WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY STABLE AND WHO WOULD GRAVITATE TOWARD THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA AND CONTINUE, CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO THEIR REVITALIZATION, UH, WHICH MANY, AS YOU KNOW, ARE STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW. UH, SO I, UH, IN CONCLUSION, I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR GIVING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK TO YOU, AND I HOPE YOU WOULD, UH, CONSIDER THE ARGUMENTS OF THOSE OF US WHO DO LIVE NEAR THERE AND ARE MOST IMMEDIATELY AFFECTED IN APPROVING THIS, UH, UH, PROPOSAL. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. HARDIN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAY ON THE LINE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. JUST REALLY QUICKLY HERE, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HARDIN? ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. HARDEN, FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR COMMENTS. UH, YOU MAY HANG UP NOW. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THE NEXT CALLER WE HAVE IS MARILYN CHO. MS. CHO, AGAIN, YOU MAY HAVE TO HIT SIX. MS. CHO. MS. CHO, ARE YOU THERE? STAR SIX, MS. CHO. SIR, WE CAN START PLAYING SOME VOICEMAILS WHILE WE TRY TO GET MS. CHO CONNECTED. IF WE COULD DO THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ERIC NEWMAN. MY ADDRESS IS 6 9 1 4 SPRING GARDEN, SEVEN EIGHT TWO FOUR NINE, AND MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE ZERO EIGHT SEVEN EIGHT TWO EIGHT ZERO. THE CASE NUMBER IS Z 20 19 1 0 7 0 0 3 41. THIS IS THE FIESTA TRAILS ZONING TO MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS, AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION TO THAT REZONING. UM, IT'S WELL KNOWN THAT DISTRICT EIGHT IS ONE OF THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED DISTRICTS IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THE TRAFFIC KEEPS GETTING WORSE. DAYS OF ALL I 10 IS ONE OF THE WORST AREAS FOR, FOR TRAFFIC. UM, AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. I UNDERSTAND THE THEATER FAILED BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, BUT NOW WITH EVERYTHING REOPENING, UM, THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT SOMEONE COULD COME IN THERE AND EITHER REOPEN A THEATER OR TURN THAT INTO SOME OTHER KIND OF RETAIL CENTER OR ENTERTAINMENT CENTER. UM, BUT ADDING MORE DENSITY INTO [01:30:01] THIS AREA, WHICH WOULD ADD MORE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA IS NOT BENEFICIAL FOR ANYONE IN THE AREA OR FOR THE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT MOVE INTO THAT AREA. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, AGAIN, EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION AND THAT I, I WOULD HOPE THAT MY CITY COUNCIL PERSON WOULD ALSO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT OPPOSITION. AND I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE ALSO OPPOSED AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH THIS ONE HAS NOT GOTTEN AS MUCH ATTENTION AS SOME OF THE OTHERS. UM, BUT HOPEFULLY WE ARE GETTING THE WORD OUT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. BYE. HELLO, MY NAME IS IZU. I LIVE IN 1 4 4 0 6 CEDAR BLADE DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. UM, WANTED TO, UH, WE HAVE LIKE A ZONING CASE THAT IT'S, UH, Z 2019 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 3 4 1 ON, UH, VAN JACKSON ROAD. I BELIEVE THE ADDRESS IS 1 2 3 1 2 6 3 1. VINCE JACKSON ROAD, UH, CASE MANAGER IS MICHAEL FAITH . AND, UH, I WANTED TO, UM, SUPPORT, UH, FULLY SUPPORT THIS, UH, ZONING CHANGE, UH, ON THAT, UH, FACILITY, THE OLD MOVIE THEATER TO BE BECOME AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, LUXURY APARTMENT COMPLEX. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE, UH, YOU CAN REACH ME OUT AT 2 1 0 4 1 0 8 0 3 3. THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD DAY. HELLO, MY NAME IS JOHN LOPEZ. I LIVE AT 2 0 3 7 DAYLIGHT CREST, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 3 0. I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE, UH, Z 2 9 1 7 3 1. IT'S 1 2 6 3 1 JACKSON ROAD. I AM IN FAVOR OF, UM, OF BUILDING THE LUXURY APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE RATHER THAN BUILDING ENTERTAINMENT, UM, BUILDINGS LIKE BARS OR NIGHTCLUBS OR WHATEVER. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WE HAD FOX AND HOUND NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE, UH, ABOUT SOME YEARS BACK. AND, UH, THEY WERE ALWAYS DRUNK DRIVERS AND THEY WERE ALWAYS HITTING OUR WALL ON VANCE JACKSON IN OUR SUBDIVISION. SO, UM, WE'RE KIND OF, I'M REALLY AGAINST IT. UM, AS FAR AS BUILDING AN ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE LUXURY APARTMENT COMPLEX. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL ME AT (210) 556-4913. MY NAME IS JOHN LOPEZ. TAKE CARE. BYE-BYE. MONICA SCHULTZ, 2 1 0 8 3 1 9 8 6 4 24 10 NEW OAK PARK CASE, 1 2 6 3 1 VANCE JACKSON, I AM FOR THE REZONING OF THE FIESTA MOVIE THEATER. I AM DISAPPOINTED HOW THE FIESTA MOVIE THEATER AND THE SURROUNDING AREA HAS BECOME TRASHED. IT IS RUN DOWN BY NTS SHOPPING CARTS, GRAFFITI TRASH, DRAG RACING, CAR SHOWS, GUN TARGET PRACTICE, AND EVEN DRUG EXCHANGE AND BROAD DAYLIGHT. BY REZONING THIS AREA TO A CLASS A LUXURY APARTMENT COMPLEX, ALL THIS ACTIVITY WILL STOP. BUSINESS TENANTS WILL FILL THE VACANT AREAS IN OUR SHOPPING CENTERS TO ACCOMMODATE THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMPLEX. THIS WILL ALSO HELP THE ECONOMY AND SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. IN THE PAST HUNTINGTON PLACE, RESIDENTS HAVE DEALT WITH PATRONS OF ENTERTAINMENT VENUES COMING INTO OUR PARKS, PARKING AT THE END OF NEW OAK, AND PARTICIPATING IN SEXUAL AND DRUG ACTIVITIES. WE HAVE ALSO CALLED SS A P C ABOUT VAGRANTS SLEEPING IN OUR PARK. WE NO LONGER NEED A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. I HAVE SUBMITTED PHOTOS TO THE ZONING CASE MANAGER AS PROOF OF ALL THE RUCKUS THAT IS HAPPENING TO A ONCE QUIET AREA. EVERYONE WHO IS AGAINST THE REZONING NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE SITUATION AND THE CURRENT STATE OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS SURROUNDINGS AND ACTUALLY SEE THE VALUE OF THE PROPOSED REZONING. PLEASE, THIS WILL NOT ONLY BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS OF HUNTINGTON PLACE, BUT EVERYONE IN THE SAN ANTONIO AREA. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS MARLENE MCKELLER. THE ITEM NUMBER IS Z 2 0 1 9 1 0 7 0 0 3 4 1. I'M CALLING ABOUT THE REZONING OF THE CSCA TRAILS MOVIE THEATER. I LIVE IN THE UNIVERSITY OAKS SUBDIVISION AT 4 8 2 7 OP STREET. UM, I AM OPPOSED [01:35:01] TO APARTMENTS. THE TRAFFIC ON DAYS OF ALL, ESPECIALLY DURING FRESH HOUR, IS BACKED UP. THE POPULATION GROWTH IS EXPONENTIAL IN THE SHORT TIME THAT I HAVE LIVED HERE AND THE AREA CANNOT HANDLE 330 MORE APARTMENTS, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH ONE TO TWO CARS PER APARTMENT. , THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST NOT THERE TO HANDLE SUCH A DEVELOPMENT. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 628-1059. AND I AM NOT OPPOSED TO APARTMENTS IN THE AREA. I'M JUST OPPOSED TO APARTMENTS THAT CLOSE DAYS OF ALL. I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS A COMFORTABLE, SAFE PLACE TO CALL HOME, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR RESIDENTIAL. UM, EVEN IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL APARTMENT BUILDING, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE LEFT AS COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ROBIN JOINER. I LIVE AT 2143 ENCANTO RIDGE. UH, MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 887-9033, AND THIS IS CASE NUMBER 3 4 1. UM, I'VE BEEN VERY CONCERNED SINCE LIVING HERE OVER THE PAST, UH, 16 YEARS ABOUT CHILDREN WALKING PAST DRUG DEALING AND THAT ARE, THAT'S GOING ON BY THE FIESTA MOVIE THEATERS, ALONG WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT AREA. ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE HAS BEEN, UH, AND MY NEIGHBORS, UH, HAS BEEN THE DRAG RACING AND, UH, THE DONUTS, UH, IN THE PARKING LOT, KEEPING MY NEIGHBORS AND I UP UNTIL ONE OR TWO O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. AND SO MY, UH, VOTE IS TO HAVE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. UH, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CURTAIL A LOT OF THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY GOING ON. THERE WON'T BE A LARGE PARKING LOT AND, UH, IT WILL BE A DATED AREA. SO, UM, THAT'S MY VOTE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HELLO, MY NAME IS ROGELIO CARLOS GONZALEZ. I RESIDE AT 1 4 1 1 5 COUGAR ROCK, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 3 OH. I AM CALLING REGARDING THE ZONING CHANGE. UM, HEARING AT, UH, 1 2 6 3 1 BANS JACKSON ROAD. I'M ALSO A REALTOR BY TRADE, AND I WILL TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE, UM, IN REAL ESTATE MULTIFAMILY COMPARED TO COMMERCIAL C THREE ZONING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY WHAT IT IS, MULTIFAMILY WILL ALWAYS BE A BETTER FIT. BEING NEXT TO A SUBDIVISION LIKE OURS, IT WILL IMPROVE PROPERTY VALUES VERSUS HAVING ANOTHER CHICKEN AND PICKLE OR WELL, OR A BINGO HALL OR AN EVENT CENTER. THOSE TYPE OF BUSINESSES, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR WILL BRING, UM, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS THAT OF ALCOHOL TILL LATE NIGHT, EARLY MORNING. WE HAVE MORE ACTIONS, MORE GUNSHOTS, MORE VIOLENCE. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING THAT AS A HOMEOWNER WE WOULD WANT. NEXT DOOR, THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY AGREED IN WRITING TO FUND THE NECESSARY COST OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, WHICH WILL HELP MITIGATE TRAFFIC. IF YOU DRIVE BY LUXURY APARTMENTS, YOU SEE PEOPLE AND TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING EARLY IN THE MORNING, IN THE AFTERNOON, RUSH HOUR TIMES, PAY ATTENTION AT BIG BOX, UM, COMMERCIAL SITES, WALMARTS, TARGETS LOWE'S, HOME DEPOTS, OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THERE ARE RESTAURANTS, YOU SEE TRAFFIC ALL DAY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO I REALLY DO SUPPORT THE REZONING TO MULTIFAMILY. IT'S GONNA BE BETTER FOR OUR PROPERTY VALUES. IT'S GONNA BE BETTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S GONNA BE BETTER FOR TRAFFIC. UM, CURRENTLY THE PLACE IS A MESS AND THE CITY IS NOT ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE VAGRANT, THE DRUGS, THE GRAFFITI. UH, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, WALK THROUGH THERE AT 10:00 PM AT NIGHT. LET'S SEE IF YOU WOULD, UM, ENJOY THAT STROLL. YOU WON'T. SO AGAIN, I SUPPORT THE REZONING. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS WILLIAM MERRILL. THAT'S SPELLED M E R R I L L. I LIVE AT 24 26 NEW OAK PARK IN THE HUNTINGTON PLACE SUBDIVISION. AND MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 833-6489. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF REZONING THE FORMER FIESTA TRAILS MOVIE THEATER PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL SO THAT THE, UH, APARTMENTS CAN GO IN THERE AS OPPOSED TO LEAVING IT AS AN ENTERTAINMENT, UH, ZONING. AND I WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR VOTE IN FAVOR OF THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [01:40:08] THAT IS ALL OF THE VOICEMAILS. LET'S SEE IF MS. CHOATE HAS JOINED US. MS. CHOATE. MS. CHOATE, AGAIN, YOU MAY HAVE TO HIT STAR SIX. MS. CHO. MS. CHO GOING AWAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MS. CHO , WE CAN HEAR YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WASN'T CONNECTING. OKAY, WELL, I'M GLAD WE GOT YOU NOW. IF YOU WOULD JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF, TELL US YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN, UH, TELL US WHAT YOU THINK OF THE PROJECT. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS MARILYN CHO. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT 27 YEARS AT 1 4 4 0 7 CEDAR GLADE DRIVE. I'VE BEEN HP'S PRESIDENT FOR THE PAST 14 YEARS, HUNTINGTON PLACE. HOMEOWNERS APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A VOICE IN CHANGING THE ZONING FROM ENTERTAINMENT TO MULTIFAMILY. THE TASK TO DETERMINE IF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS A VERY BEST FIT FOR OUR NEW NEIGHBOR WAS TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY A TEAM OF HOMEOWNERS. OUR FIRST PRIORITY WAS TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE BEST FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. WE PUT OURSELVES IN THEIR SHOES AND MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING THE VERY BEST DECISION POSSIBLE FOR THEM. THE OTHER 1100 HOMEOWNERS, THE STRUGGLING SHOPPING CENTER, AND THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. WE ARE CONFIDENT IN OUR DECISION INCREASE TRAFFIC IS COMING REGARDLESS. COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT WILL BRING TRAVELERS IN FROM ALL OVER, ESPECIALLY LATE INTO THE NIGHT AND EARLY IN THE MORNING. MOST ARE OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND WILL DISRUPT OUR PEACEFULNESS SECURITY AND HURT OUR PROPERTY VALUES, ESPECIALLY THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE 10 ACRE TRACK. THE AREA HAS BECOME A HAVEN FOR VAGRANT, DRUG DEALERS, GRAFFITI CRIME, GARBAGE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THE LUXURY APARTMENTS ARE THE ONLY OPTION THAT WILL TRULY REVITALIZE THE FIESTA TRAIL SHOPPING CENTER AND OUR ENTIRE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. C***S HAS PROPOSED A NICELY DESIGNED BUILDING THAT WILL BE SURROUNDED BY GORGEOUS LANDSCAPING WITH NICE FENCING, WHICH WILL CERTAINLY BEAUTIFY THE LOCATION AND WILL BE AN ATTRACTIVE ENHANCEMENT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE CHANGE WILL BRING US NEIGHBORS AND THE MUCH NEEDED TRAFFIC WISE. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WELCOME THEM WHOLEHEARTEDLY. WE ARE ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THE OPPORTUNITY AT HAND TO REVITALIZE OUR AREA. THIS FRESH NEW CHANGE WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME. IT WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED AND A THANKFUL BLESSING TO HUNTINGTON PLACE HOMEOWNERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MS. CHO. MS. CHO, IF YOU WOULD HOLD ON THE LINE FOR ONE SECOND, UH, WHILE WE SEE IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER ROMERO. THANK YOU. AND LET ME SAY FIRST, WE'RE HAVING A PRETTY WILD THUNDERSTORM OUT HERE, SO IF I DISAPPEAR, I DISAPPEAR. UH, MS. JOE, WELCOME. THANK YOU. UH, NICE, NICE TO HEAR YOU. UM, I, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, BUT THEY'RE SO IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE AND I, SO I JUST WANTED ASK YOU A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. BY WHATEVER METHOD AND THE METHOD'S GOING TO BE THE COVENANT, UM, DO YOU, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF GOING DOWN FROM 30 TO THREE UNITS? DOES THAT, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT, I'M ASSUMING? NO, IT DOES NOT CHANGE IT. WE SUPPORT THAT. OKAY. AND, UM, YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE CHALLENGES AS A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH, UM, ENFORCING COVENANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE PRETTY STABLE MEMBERSHIP AND OFFICERS AND EVERYTHING? WE ABSOLUTELY DO. WE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD ON ALL OF THAT. IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO US. UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE A LARGE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS COVERED. AND WE DEFINITELY ARE. WE GOT WITHIN OUR ATTORNEY, UH, WE DOTTED OUR I'S, WE CROSSED OUR T'S. UM, AND IT WAS NOT AN OVERNIGHT DECISION. WE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD ON IT. WE COVERED EVERYTHING, UH, WE COULD, AND WE WERE VERY HAPPY WITH THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU MS. SHELTON. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIME THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS CASE. I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. MIDDLE MS. MS. CHO, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU STAY ON THE LINE IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS. [01:45:01] OKAY. I DO NOT SEE ANY, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, MS. CHO. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT STAFF? NO, SIR. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. ALRIGHT, MR. GRIFFIN, A COUPLE OF MINUTES OF REBUTTAL. UH, YES, THANK YOU. UM, AND AGAIN, BIG, BIG THANKS TO, UH, MARILYN AND EVERYBODY ON THE ZONING COMMITTEE AND, AND IN HUNTINGTON PLACE. WE HAVE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD OVER THE PAST, UH, YEAR OR TWO, UM, TO, UH, PUT IN PLACE THESE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT, UH, AS DR. ROMERO MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT 'EM, BUT THEY ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY DO A HANDFUL OF THINGS, UH, HERE. UM, MOST NOTABLY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ENSURE THAT THIS PROJECT'S GONNA BE QUALITY WHEN IT'S BUILT. AND, UH, FOR THE LONG TERM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAS ALL THE, UH, NORMAL ITEMS SUCH AS, UH, BUILDING MATERIAL RESTRICTIONS, UH, INCREASED SETBACKS, HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, UH, FENCING, UH, UH, PROHIBITIONS ON, UH, STORAGE OF TRAILERS, BOATS, RVS, UH, OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, YOU KNOW, ON AND ON AND ON. UM, IT, IT ALSO DOES LIMIT THE DENSITY, UH, AS DISCUSSED, WHICH WE HAVE, HAVE BROUGHT IT DOWN TO 300, UH, AND PUTS THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL REQUIREMENT ON THE DEVELOPER, UH, AS WELL. UM, THE, YOU YOU'VE HEARD SOME FROM SEVERAL FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THEY SAID IT MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY IS GOING TO, UM, ENHANCE THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND IS COMPARED TO ALL REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES, IS, UH, UH, FAR AND AWAY THE THE BEST OPTION. AND SO, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, I DO RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION LISTENS TO SOME OF THESE, UH, POWERFUL STATEMENTS MADE BY THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, UM, AND, UH, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS, THIS CASE. SO, UH, AGAIN, THANKS. THANKS EVERYBODY FOR THE TIME SPENT. IT'S BEEN QUITE A BIT, UM, BUT WE APPRECIATE IT AND, UH, AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MR. GRIFFIN. THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE. SO COMMISSIONER O'NEAL, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN WIPED AWAY IN A FLOOD YET. WE ARE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. AND, UH, IT GOES TO YOU. OKAY? YEAH, STILL HERE. UM, JAMES, I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UM, ONE, I'D LIKE TO GET THE SITE PLAN UP IF WE COULD, AND THEN WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, I WILL QUICKLY ASK YOU, UM, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE FROM THE UNIVERSITY UNITED METHODIST CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET? UH, WE HAVE NOT. UM, I'VE REACHED OUT A FEW TIMES. UM, I DID NOT RECEIVE A, A RESPONSE, UM, TO EMAILS THAT WERE SENT OR, OR A PHONE CALL THAT WAS MADE. UM, SO WE, WE TRIED BUT HAVE, HAVE NOT HEARD BACK. WE REALLY TRIED TO REACH OUT TO ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY HERE, UH, TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON, ON THE PROJECT, ON THE REQUEST. BUT, UM, WE, WE DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING BACK FROM THEM. OKAY. UM, THEN LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE TO ME A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN YOU, AT THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY, ESSENTIALLY, YOU'RE AT THE BACK OF H E B AND IT'S DUMPSTERS AND TRUCKS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF. SO CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO ME IN MORE DETAIL WHAT THE BACK, UM, THE BACK BORDER OF THIS PROPERTY WILL LOOK LIKE? YEAH. ON, ON, ON OUR PROPERTY, UH, AND YOU SEE KIND OF THE, THE CARVE OUT THAT'S AN EXISTING, UH, UH, DETENTION POND. UM, BUT THE REMAINDER OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'LL ACTUALLY BE OUR PROPERTY, UH, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE FENCED, UH, LANDSCAPED. UM, YET YOU DO HAVE A LITTLE MAINTENANCE BUILDING BACK THERE. UH, AND AT, AT THE BACK VERY CORNER YOU HAVE OUR, UH, TRASH COMPACTOR. THERE ARE NO DUMPSTERS ANYWHERE ON THIS PROPERTY. UM, THE RESIDENTS WILL HAVE CONCIERGE TRASH SERVICE, AND THEN THERE'S ONE, UH, ENCLOSED SCREENED, UH, TRASH COMPACTOR BACK THERE. UM, BUT AS FAR AS OUR PROPERTY GOES, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY WELL LANDSCAPED, UH, FENCED. UM, AND, AND THEN WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, ON NOT JUST THE A T B PROPERTY, BUT THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, INCLUDING THE ROAD, THAT PRIVATE ROAD THAT RUNS FROM VANS, JACKSON, ALL THE WAY TO I 10, UH, TO JUST TRY TO CLEAN IT UP, YOU KNOW, TRASH BLOWS IN OR, OR, OR COLLECTS ESPECIALLY, UH, . THAT'S FINE TAKEN. I JUST WANNA FOCUS ON THE SPECIFIC QUESTION THOUGH. SO WHAT KIND OF FENCE AND, AND HOW MUCH LANDSCAPING AT THE BACK BACK, IS IT A FENCE OR A WALL? UH, IT WILL BE, IT'LL BE A FENCE. UH, WE HAVE A MIX OF, UH, WR IRON AND IN THE BACK, UH, WOULD LIKELY BE, UH, WOOD PRIVACY FENCE BACK THERE. [01:50:01] OKAY. UM, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER OAL. UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND, UM, KIND OF TAGS ONTO, UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO'S QUESTION. SO ON ON, ON, LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE SEE IT SAYS LEVEL ONE, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, HUNTINGTON PLACE SUBDIVISION IS CORRECT? UH, THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL, BUT YEAH, THE HOMES ARE RIGHT THERE PRETTY MUCH WHERE IT SAYS LEVEL ONE. YEAH. AND THE H E B IS ON THE, BASICALLY ON THE LEFT SIDE, CORRECT? OR THE BACK? THE BACK OF THE H E B KIND OF. OKAY. UM, SO I, I SEE THAT THERE'S LIKE A PRIVATE ROAD OR WHAT APPEARS TO BE A PRIVATE ROAD THAT'S GOING FROM FANS JACKSON. UM, AND THEN I, I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE IT. I, I GUESS YOU HAVE LIKE A LANDSCAPED BUFFER BETWEEN THAT ROAD AND THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORS. IS THAT TRUE? OR WHAT IS THAT? THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. SO STARTING AT THE FENCE LINE OF THE NEIGHBORS TO OUR SOUTH, THERE'S A, UH, ABOUT A 1215 FOOT STRIP OF, UH, LANDSCAPING, UM, THAT IS, THAT IS OFF THIS PROPERTY, BUT OWNED BY, UH, THE OWNERS OF CURRENT OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY AND, AND SURROUNDING, UH, SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS WINE GARDEN. SO THERE'S EXISTING LANDSCAPING, UH, THEN THE PRIVATE ROAD, UH, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO OUR PROPERTY LINE, WHICH ENDS UP BEING ABOUT 60 FEET FROM THE FENCE LINE OF THE HOMEOWNERS, UH, THERE'LL BE THERE, YOU'LL SEE WRT, IRON, FENCING, LANDSCAPING, UH, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, UM, ANOTHER 150 FEET TO THE BUILDING. SO ANOTHER LONG ANSWER TO YOUR, TO A QUESTION, UH, THERE IS LANDSCAPING PRIVATE ROADS, AND THEN THERE WILL BE NEW LANDSCAPING, PARKING, BUILDING KIND OF GOING FROM GOING NORTH FROM THE, UH, BACK YARDS OF, UH, THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. OKAY, GREAT. AND, UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UH, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE'LL GO, UH, COMM GIBBONS AND WE, UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, ON THIS SITE PLAN. UH, COULD HE POINT OUT WHERE THE NEW, UM, UH, SIGNAL WOULD BE? UH, YES. SO IT IS, UH, AS YOU SEE THAT PRIVATE DRIVE RUNNING ALONG THE, THE BOTTOM, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN BETWEEN THE LANDSCAPING WHERE IT SAYS LEVEL ONE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE PRIVATE DRIVE AS IT INTERSECTS WITH VANCE JACKSON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF VANCE JACKSON, UH, IS NEW OAK PARK, UH, WHICH IS A PRIMARY, UH, ENTRANCE TO HUNTINGTON PLACE. ON, ON, AGAIN, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF VANCE JACKSON. UH, THAT IS WHERE THE FOUR-WAY STOP WILL BE, UM, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. SO NEW NEWARK OAK PARK, VANCE JACKSON, UH, AND OUR PRIVATE STREET. AND THEN WE'LL BE DOING SOME, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSECTION AS WELL. UH, EXTENDING THE MEDIAN, UH, IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE. UH, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE, UH, SEVERAL DRIVEWAYS AT THE MOVIE THEATER WHERE YOU CAN TURN LEFT, UH, OUT OF THE PROPERTY ONTO VANCE JACKSON. THE MEDIAN WILL BE EXTENDED. UH, SO THE ONLY OTHER ENTRANCE INTO THIS COMPLEX WILL BE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT. SO YOU WON'T HAVE PEOPLE, UH, TAKING AN UNPROTECTED LEFT, UH, ONTO VANCE JACKSON. UH, YOU HAVE TO USE THAT SIGNAL THAT'S AT THAT, UH, PRIVATE DRIVE, UM, TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU, JAMES. I, UH, I DRIVE ON THIS VANCE JACKSON AT LEAST A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK, SO I KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL, AND I THINK THE LIGHT AND THE SIGNAL WILL BE VERY HELPFUL THERE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. UM, J UH, JAMES, YOU STARTED AT 400 UNITS TO THREE 50 TO THREE 30 TO 300. COULD YOU, WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSIONS AND WHY, WHY WAS, WHY DID WE COME DOWN TO 300 AND HOW, BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT, HOW WOULD 330 CHANGE THIS SITE PLAN? I I, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT LAST PART AGAIN. HOW WOULD 330 UNITS CHANGE THE SITE PLAN? [01:55:02] UH, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO, SO HOW WE GOT HERE WAS, UH, WORKING WITH, UM, UH, DR. ROMERO AND, AND DISTRICT EIGHT COUNCIL OFFICE AND, UM, UH, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, UH, PUSHING FOR, UH, LE LESS DENSITY. UM, SO THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED TO THE, UH, 300 UNITS, UH, THAT WE ARE TODAY. UH, THAT, THAT LAST CHANGE FROM THREE 30 TO 300 WAS MADE REALLY IN THE PAST 24 HOURS. SO WE, WE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO UPDATE MY PLAN, UM, STILL KIND OF WORKING THROUGH HOW, HOW THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED, UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THOSE LOST 30 UNITS WILL, WILL GO, UH, AND HOW THE BUILDING WILL CHANGE. BUT THE, THE LAYOUT OF THIS BUILDING WILL BE THE SAME. AND OKAY, SO YOU JUST NOW JUST WENT DOWN TO 300 AND THAT WAS PER CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCILMAN. THAT ALSO IS LESS DENSITY. DID WE LOSE JAMES? I THINK WE LOST HIM. MR. GRIFFIN, DID WE LOSE YOU? DID YOU GET WIPED AWAY IN A FLOOD? MR. GRIFFIN, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. OKAY. I I, I DIDN'T TOUCH ANYTHING. IT, IT AUTOMATICALLY MUTED ME. UM, GOT, GOT TIRED OF HEARING FROM ME. UM, AND I'M SORRY, THE I AUTOMATED. YEAH. WHERE DID THE 30 GO? WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE 30 UNITS AND WHY? UH, WE, WE, WE WERE ASKED TO REDUCE DENSITY. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THEY WENT. UM, HOW THEY, OKAY, WHERE, WHERE THEY GO FROM THIS SITE PLAN. WE'LL, WE'LL STILL NEED TO WORK THAT OUT, UM, AGAIN AT THE NIGHTTIME TO UPDATE OUR SITE PLAN. BUT, UM, UH, WE WERE, WE WERE ASKED TO, TO REMOVE THEM AND, AND NOW THEY'RE GONE. OKAY. AND ALL RIGHT, SO THE, SO THE SITE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS 330 AND, UM, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE, WHERE THERE'S DENSITY FROM 30 UNITS TO 300. UM, AND I THINK THAT WE, WE DO KIND OF GET CAUGHT UP IN THE TERM DENSITY AND, AND NOT REALIZE THAT IF WE AS A COMMUNITY OR A CITY ARE PLANNING TO GO TO NET ZERO AND OUR CAP PLAN DENSITY IS GONNA HAVE TO BE RE-LOOKED AT AND LESS DEMONIZED BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE ABILITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS TO WALK TO PLACES. CORRECT? THAT THAT'S CORRECT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. STORE WALK TO A CHURCH, THAT'S NICE, YOU KNOW? I SEE. UH, WE HAVE A CHURCH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY, THEY WALK ALL THE TIME TO THIS CHURCH. IT IS THE CUTEST THING TO WATCH. OKAY. THAT'S NOT A QUESTION, IT'S A COMMENT. UM, ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEAT, I BELIEVE YOU WERE NEXT. THANK YOU. SO I THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD BRING LOTS OF BENEFITS TO THE AREA AND, UM, MUCH NEEDED, UM, HOUSING OPTIONS FOR THAT AREA OF THE CITY. AND I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SITE PLAN, JAMES. UM, I KNOW COMMISSIONER GIBBONS TALKED ABOUT, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IN YOUR SITE PLAN, YOU'RE ROUTING ALL YOUR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TOWARDS VANCE JACKSON. IS THAT RIGHT? UM, MAJORITY OF IT. UM, THERE, THERE WILL BE A, A GATE SO THEY CAN ACCESS THE SHOPPING CENTER. UH, THE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE, AT LEAST THE PORTION TO THE NORTH ACTUALLY FACES OUR PROPERTY NOW. UM, DOESN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF VISIBILITY. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, ADDING PEOPLE TO THIS PROPERTY AND KINDA ADDING INTO THAT WALKABILITY INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER, I THINK WILL REALLY, REALLY INVIGORATE IT. BUT, UM, UH, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S ALL GOING TO BE WALKABLE. MOST OF THE OPEN SPACE. AND OF COURSE THE NEW SIDEWALKS WILL BE A ALONG VAN JACKSON, BUT, BUT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET, UH, GET ELSEWHERE AS WELL. RIGHT. 'CAUSE I NOTICED ON YOUR SITE PLAN YOU HAD, UH, THE TRASH COMPACTOR WHERE ONE WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ACCESS, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SHOPPING CENTER. SO I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT, UH, YOU ARE PLANNING TO HAVE, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, EASY, UH, ACCESS TO THE SHOPPING CENTERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UM, COMMISSIONERS, FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS. ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? I THOUGHT [02:00:01] I SAW YOU, BUT I WASN'T SURE. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTION FOUR, JAMES, THE APPLICANT? YES. OKAY. UM, FIRST OF ALL, JUST, UH, TO BE SURE THAT THE OWNER IS MADE AWARE OF ALL OF THE CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND TO BE SURE THAT THAT PROPERTY IS SECURED AND MAYBE THEY COULD EVEN PUT UP, UH, SOME KIND OF A SECURITY FENCING TO KEEP OUT THAT ILLEGAL ACTIVITY THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE BEING REPORTED, UM, AND HAVING DIFFICULTY, UH, DISSUADING WHILE YOUR PROCESS CONTINUES. IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I APPRECIATE THE BRIEFING THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ME. MY QUESTION IS, IT LOOKS LIKE BASED UPON YOUR, UM, SITE PLAN, YOU'RE PUSHING SOME OF YOUR TRAFFIC OUT ONTO THE PRIVATE ROAD, AND THE DEVELOPERS AGREE TO INSTALL THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT HIS EXPENSE AT THAT CORNER, THAT INTERSECTION. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IS THAT DEVELOPER TAKING OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT PRIVATE ROAD, BECAUSE THAT WILL BE PUSHING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC DOWN A ROAD THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE VERY WELL MAINTAINED AT ALL? UH, THEY WILL SHARE, UH, IN THE COST OF AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF MAINTENANCE, UM, THAT PRIVATE ROAD IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF REALLY THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER. UH, AND THERE'S, UH, SOME EXISTING AGREEMENTS IN PLACE, UH, UH, FOR COST SHARING, UH, BETWEEN ALL THESE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, THAT USE THIS ROAD, UM, THE, UM, AT LEAST MORE IMMEDIATE TO THIS PROPERTY. UM, THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND FENCING THAT'LL GO, GO IN THERE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ROAD WILL, YOU KNOW, REALLY SPRUCE IT UP. BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE PEOPLE USING THAT ROAD AT LEAST THAN WHAT THERE ARE TODAY WITH, WITH, WITH NOBODY GOING TO THE MOVIE THEATER. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADDING PEOPLE THERE THAT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THEIR HOME SO THAT, YOU KNOW, LOGICALLY WILL, UH, UH, ALLOW FOR SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL CLEANUP AND MORE EYES ON THE, ON THE ROAD TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM THROWING TRASH OR, OR DOING THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT BE DOING NOW. WELL, I'M, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL INCREASE ON THAT ROAD AND, AND MOST LIKELY PUSH UP THE HILL TO AN AREA TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE I 10, UM, UM, ACCESS LANES, UM, BEHIND THIS PROPOSED COMPLEX, WHICH A JETS THE OLD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS ANYMORE, BOB MILLS FURNITURE STORE AND THE H E B RETAIL STRIPS RIGHT NOW, THERE IS AN EXISTING LANE. IS THAT LANE GOING AWAY OR WILL THAT ACCESS LANE, UM, REMAIN OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO TRAVEL OVER TO THE RETAIL STRIPS? UM, BACK, BACK BEHIND THE DETENTION POND AS YOU GO FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, THAT'LL ALL BE, UH, OPEN AND, AND REMAIN OPEN. UH, REALLY JUST THE IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, MOVIE THEATER TRACK WILL BE FENCED OFF. UH, AND THEN BACK TO YOUR, YOUR LAST COMMENT REAL QUICK. THE, UM, YEAH, WE WILL HAVE THESE RESIDENTS USING THE ROAD, WHICH GIVES THEM EASY ACCESS TO I 10 AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, GOING DOWN FANS JACKSON AND DAYS OF ALLAH. BUT, UH, WHEN THE MOVIE THEATER WAS OPEN, UH, AND CERTAINLY WHEN IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE SUCCESSFUL, I'LL CALL IT, UH, THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ON PEAK HOUR TRIPS, THE MOVIE THEATER IS, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN, THAN WHAT THE 300 OR EVEN THAT, THAT THREE 30 UNIT APARTMENT WOULD, UH, WOULD PUT ON THE GROUND AS FAR AS VEHICLES. NO, I, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WAS PASSED. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE FUTURE GOING FORWARD. SO, UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT CLEAR ON THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. IF, IF WE TALK ABOUT THE THEATER AS IT IS RIGHT NOW BEHIND THE THEATER, BETWEEN THE NEXT ADJOINING COMMERCIAL STRIP, THERE IS AN EXISTING LANE THAT YOU CAN TURN ON AND TRAVEL ACROSS THAT BRINGS YOU OUT BETWEEN THE H E B AND WHAT WAS THE STEINMART? IS THAT LANE GOING TO REMAIN IN EXISTENCE, OR WILL THAT GO AWAY? UH, THAT, THAT'S GONNA REMAIN IN EXISTENCE. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S STILL OPEN AND, AND BACK THERE. OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW PEOPLE COMMUTE OVER THERE. UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DENSITY AND I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, WORKING WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE COUNCIL OFFICE TO REDUCE THAT DENSITY. I STILL HAVE A LOT OF HEARTBURN ABOUT THAT THOUGH, COMING OUT RIGHT THERE AT A POINT WHERE THERE IS A BOTTLENECK EVERY DAY ON VAN JACKSON, AND I KNOW I SIT IN THAT TRAFFIC, AND THEN FRANKLY, I TRY TO AVOID IT WHEN I CAN'T. I DON'T, UM, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL SPACE, WHETHER IT IS MULTIFAMILY SPACE, I, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS GOING TO BE, UM, ANOTHER HIT WITH TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE. BUT MY, UM, BIGGER CONCERN, AND YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS MANY TIMES, IS THAT THIS SECTION OF [02:05:01] DISTRICT EIGHT IS INUNDATED NOW WITH APARTMENT COMPLEXES. THERE SEEMS TO BE NO PURSUIT OF ANY OTHER TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING WHEN THERE IS ACTUALLY A DEMAND FOR IT. UM, AND SO I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SUPPORT THIS AT THIS TIME. BUT THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE TO COMMISSIONER O FOR A MOTION. UM, OKAY. CAN I, AND I'M GONNA SAY A FEW THINGS FIRST, IS THAT OKAY? OF, OF COURSE. OKAY. UM, WELL, REAL FAST, I JUST WANNA REMARK ON SOMETHING AND I'M GONNA END BY SAYING I WANNA MAKE THIS FAST BECAUSE I WANNA COMMEND EVERYBODY. WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A YEAR, ONLINE ZONING COMMISSIONS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE REALIZE HOW HARD THIS IS BECAUSE WE CANNOT BE OFF CAMERA EVER. AND SO WE SIT HERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME AND WE ONLY GET FIVE MINUTE BREAKS EVERY TWO HOURS. AND SO I STARTED WANTING TO PAY EVERYBODY BACK TODAY BY NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE YOU BE HERE LONGER THAN YOU HAVE TO. UM, SO THIS CASE, UH, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS CASE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AND THERE'S REALLY GOOD ARGUMENTS ON EACH SIDE OF THIS CASE. AND SO I WANNA SAY ONE THING FIRST. UM, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST OPPOSED TO APARTMENTS, PERIOD. THERE'S LOTS OF REALLY GOOD ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES, AND IT'S BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THIS VERY IMPORTANT PARCEL, WHICH HAS BECOME SORT OF A WHITE EL ELEPHANT. UM, I HAVE, SINCE THE BEGINNING, I HAVE SUPPORTED MULTIFAMILY, BUT I ALWAYS, ALWAYS PUSHED FOR LOWER DENSITY. UM, WE ARE NOT DEMONIZING DENSITY IN DISTRICT EIGHT. WE HAVE A LOT OF DENSITY IN DISTRICT EIGHT. WE HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENTS IN DISTRICT EIGHT, AND SOMETIMES DENSITY REALLY, REALLY MAKES SENSE FOR THEM. UM, BUT NOT FOR THIS ONE. YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT VANCE JACKSON AND DELA, AND YOU KNOW, THIS WAS INTRODUCED AS, AS A PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF DELA AND 10. THAT IS NOT THE ACCURATE, THAT'S NOT HOW WE ALL THINK ABOUT IT. IT'S AT THE CORNER OF VANCE JACKSON AND DELO, WHICH REALLY SHOULD BE A HIGHWAY INTERSECTION. THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON THERE. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO BE SO CAREFUL HERE. AND I HAVE PUSHED AND PUSHED AND PUSHED FOR LOWER DENSITY ON THIS. UM, MY PREFERENCE IS THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN MF 25. UH, I WOULD'VE FELT A LOT BETTER WITH MF 25. I CAN'T GIVE YOU A FORMULA FOR WHY THAT IS. UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, JAMES SAID THAT THEY STARTED WITH 400 AND CAME DOWN FROM THERE BECAUSE 400 WAS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE HERE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN PUSHING THE, I THINK, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL OFFICE, BUT WE'VE ALL BEEN PUSHING TO GET THIS LOWER, LOWER, LOWER. WE FINALLY GOT THIS CRACK YESTERDAY WHERE WE GOT IT DOWN TO 300, AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT. UM, SO IT'S A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. THERE ARE PEOPLE VERY SUPPORTIVE, THERE ARE PEOPLE VERY OPPOSED TO IT. I UNDERSTAND WHY HUNTINGTON PLACE IS SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE IT GETS THEM A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THEY DESPERATELY NEED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. AND SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE. BUT THE SAME TOKEN, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL DOESN'T SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS AT VANCE JACKSON AND DELA. IT MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE THEM WORSE FOR EVERYBODY TRAVELING ON VANCE JACKSON. AND I THINK I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, VANCE JACKSON AND DELA IS BAD ENOUGH, BUT WHEN THERE'S A, SOME KIND OF AN ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC ON 10, EVERYBODY HEADS TO VANCE JACKSON TO COME HOME. AND THEN IT BECOMES ABSOLUTE GRIDLOCK, GRIDLOCK. IT'S GRIDLOCK EVEN WITHOUT THEM. UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO. UM, I, I, SO I SUPPORT THE, THE COVENANT GOING DOWN TO 300. I THINK THAT HU HUNTINGTON PLACE CAN, UM, ENFORCE THAT. I WOULD, I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF ANOTHER HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WERE ALSO ENFORCING IT, JUST BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S STRENGTH IN NUMBERS ON THAT. I WOULD ASK JAMES TO REACH OUT TO THE CHURCH. UM, I WOULD LIKE, BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF THE CHURCH WAS ABLE TO WEIGH IN. I THINK THE FENCING IN THE BACK WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF IF FOR, OR A WALL INSTEAD OF JUST FENCING. AND, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT PRIVATE ROAD AS WELL THAT COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL MENTIONED. I DON'T KNOW, WHEN I DRIVE ON THAT, I ALWAYS FEEL [02:10:01] LIKE THIS CAN'T POSSIBLY BE A ROAD I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ON. IT JUST, IT SEEMS STRANGE. UM, SO, UM, I THINK THAT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTENTION. BUT, UM, ALL THAT SAID, SO I'M STILL TRYING TO BE FAST. I MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, WITH SAUL'S RECOMMENDATIONS. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH, FOR APPROVAL WITH SAUL'S RECOMMENDATIONS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. COMMISSIONER JONES. SECOND. ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I, I DO WANNA COMMEND THE COMMISSIONER FOR THE, THE LENGTHY, UH, TIME TO WORK ON THESE, UH, HER, HER, UH, CASE HERE. UM, I WOULD'VE APPROVED THIS AT 400 AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. I'M, I'M NOT FOLLOWING HOW WE COME OUT WITH A CLIMATE ACTION ADAPTATION PLAN IN 2017, AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO NET ZERO. SO WE HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT OUR DENSITY IN A DIFFERENT WAY. IF WE WANT PEOPLE WALKING AND BIKING TO THEIR OFFICES, TO THEIR SCHOOLS, TO THEIR STORES, TO THEIR CHURCH, WHICH THIS SITE DOES, THAT DENSITY HAS TO BE LOOKED AT DIFFERENTLY. AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE HAVE TO, I THINK WE DO DEMONIZE IT TOO MUCH AND NOW WE CAN'T LOOK AT IT UNDER THE LENS OF OUR CLIMATE ACTION ADAPTATION PLAN TO GET TO NET ZERO, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE NOT DRIVING YOUR CAR, YOU'RE WALKING. THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR LANDS IN A MORE DENSER FASHION. ELSE. YOU SPREAD EVERYBODY OUT AND THEY WILL ALL BE IN THEIR CARS NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE. BUT YOU HAVE A PERFECT SPOT HERE FOR WALKABILITY, BIKE ABILITY, ABILITY. I'M SURPRISED VANCE JACKSON DOESN'T HAVE, UH, BIKE LANES ON IT. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HAPPENS. AND, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE, WE DEMONIZE DENSITY TOO MUCH WHEN I THINK WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT IT FROM A REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE. YOU CANNOT GET TO NET ZERO PUT PEOPLE OUT OF CARS AND INTO WALKING PLACES IF YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE WALKING PLACES. AND THIS ONE IS, SO I WOULD'VE PROVED IT AT 400, BUT I'LL PROVE IT AT 300. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE. YES. THANK YOU. UM, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK THIS PROJECT WAS, UH, IS A, A GREAT FIT FOR THE AREA. I THINK THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PUT IN A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF GOOD WORK HAS DONE, HAS DONE, UM, ALL THE OUTREACH IT NEEDS TO DO WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE AND, AND ALL THE SURROUNDING, UM, FOLKS IN, IN, UH, IN THAT PART OF TOWN. UM, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD ASSET TO, UH, TO DISTRICT EIGHT. SO I SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITE COMMISSIONERS. ANY FURTHER COMMENT? ALRIGHT, WELL, SEEING NON-NO HAVE THE LAST WORD, WHICH IS, I REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS COW PASTURE. SO, UH, I THINK WE'VE SEEN THE SORT OF CYCLE OF LIFE HERE AT, UH, VANCE JACKSON AND DAYS OF ALLAH, UH, AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. ALRIGHT, UH, STAFF, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO WITH A SECOND BY, I'M SORRY, WITH SAS RECOMMENDATIONS WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KATH? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. VICE CHAIR SYS YES. AND CHAIR BUSANTE. UH, MOTION PASSES BY NINE TO ONE AND THERE WAS ONE RECUSAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, YOU MAY TURN YOUR CAMERA BACK ON. UM, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AS, UH, COMMISSIONER DR. O MENTIONED WE HAVE BEEN GOING ABOUT TWO HOURS AND WE WILL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. BUT BEFORE WE DO, LET'S REALLY BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT, UH, THE FIESTA VACCINE CLINIC PRESENTED BY THE COUNCILWOMEN OF DISTRICTS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. THIS SATURDAY, MAY 22ND FROM 9:00 AM TO NOON AT 2,600 SOUTHWEST [02:15:01] MILITARY DRIVE. IT WILL BE A VACCINE CLINIC. PLEASE GET THE WORD OUT TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, LOVED ONE NEIGHBORS, ENEMIES, ANYONE ELSE YOU CAN. UM, THE TIME IS NOW 3 0 7 AND WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL APPROXIMATELY THREE 12. THANK YOU. PERSONAL MOVIE HISTORIES, UM, AND WE WILL GO BACK ON THE RECORD. THE TIME IS THREE 14. [4. 21-3587 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700062 ERZD (Council District 8): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3 UC-1 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD" General Commercial IH-10/FM 1604 Urban Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District to "MF-40 UC-1 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD" Multi-Family IH-10/FM 1604 Urban Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District on Lot 23, Block 1, NCB 14859, save and except 0.05 acres out of NCB 14859, located at 6919 North Loop 1604 West. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] STAFF, IF WE COULD PLEASE PRESENT ITEM NUMBER FOUR. YES SIR. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE UC, ONE TO MF 40 UC, ONE ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 69 19 NORTH LOOP 1604 WEST. THERE WERE SIX NOTICES MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. NO NOTICES WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND NO NOTICES WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE EXISTING C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL BASED ZONING IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED MF 40 IS MORE APPROPRIATE AS THE MF 40 ACTS AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE LARGE THOROUGHFARE AND THE NEARBY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES. THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD ALLOW ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND CLOSE PROXIMITY TO MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND BUS ROUTES AND ALLOWS REUSE OF A FORMER STAYBRIDGE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND WE DO HAVE MIKE ESCALANTE ON THE LINE WITH THE REPORT. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. ESCALANTE. IF YOU PROVIDE THE REPORT MR. ESCALANTE SIX. MIKE, ARE YOU THERE? HELLO? THIS YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW MR. ESCALANTE. YEP. OKAY, AHEAD MIKE. GO AHEAD MIKE. YEAH. UH, MIKE ESCALANTE WITH FOR PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION. WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT 69 19 NORTH LOOP 1604 WEST, UH, TO ALLOW FOR AN INTERIOR CONVERSION OF HOTEL SUITES INTO APARTMENT UNITS. THE SITE IS AN EXISTING FOUR STORY STAYBRIDGE SUITES WITH AN, WITH AN ASSOCIATED PARKING LOT ON THREE ACRES. THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN A DRAINAGE CHANNEL AND A FLOODPLAIN. NO SENSITIVE FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE NOR NOTED ON FILE. SAS IS, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT TO INCLUDE NOT TO EXCEED THE EXISTING 47% IMPERVIOUS COVER FOR THE THREE ACRE UH, SITE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THE, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? THIS IS ROB KILLEN. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MR. KILLEN, WE CAN HEAR YOU IF YOU PLEASE PROCEED. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, ROB KILLEN, KILLEN GRIFFIN IN FAIRMONT. I PROMISED TO BE BRIEFER THAN MY COLLEAGUE JAMES GRIFFIN WAS A FEW MINUTES AGO. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAD A LONG DAY AND YOU STILL HAVE A FEW, UH, CASES AHEAD OF YOU. SO I FIRST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF AND TO, FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION. I ALSO WANNA THANK JOANNE HILLIARD WITH HILLSDALE'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR MEETING WITH US. UH, JUST LAST WEEK WE HAVE A POWERPOINT AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN YET, UH, BUT IF IT IS, COULD WE GO AHEAD IN ADVANCE TO SLIDE TWO? AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SLIDE TWO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MAP RIGHT NOW, UH, SHOWING THE SITE. IT'S THE STAR, UH, ON THE SITE. IT'S A STAYBRIDGE SUITES, WHICH IS EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. IT'S 118 UNITS RIGHT ACROSS, UH, FROM U T S A. LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE TO SLIDE THREE. IT ZOOMS IN A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN SEE WE'RE DIRECTLY ACROSS, UH, 1604 FROM U T S A. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO TO SLIDE FOUR. IT SHOWS THE EXISTING ZONING. WE'RE ZONING C THREE, WE'RE ASKING FOR MF 40 TO, UH, DEVELOP 118 APARTMENTS. ALL WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TAKING THE EXISTING BUILDING AND WE'RE CONVERTING THOSE HOTEL ROOMS INTO APARTMENTS THERE, ONE TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS. WE'RE NOT ADDING ANYTHING, TAKING ANYTHING AWAY. IF YOU'RE LOOKING, LOOKING AT SLIDE FOUR, YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE FLOOD PLAY IN THE CHELSEA SAW AND THE SAWS REPORT, UH, RUNS BEHIND THE PROPERTY. UH, THAT'S UNDEVELOPABLE. WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 47% IMPERVIOUS COVER, AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE THE SLIDE FIVE. SLIDE FIVE. YOU CAN SEE AN AERIAL OF THE PROPERTY. UH, WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PARKING AREA. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROPERTY. UH, SLIDE SIX, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY. UH, [02:20:01] LET'S GO AHEAD, UH, GO TO SLIDE EIGHT. SLIDE SEVEN JUST SAYS WE HAVE 118 UNITS INCREASE IN SLIDE EIGHT. UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE'RE OPERATING. THE SEABRIDGE IS OPERATING AS AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. THE DEFINITION OF EXTENDED STAY HOTEL IS IT'S PLACED WHERE YOU CAN STAY. IT'S GOT A, IT'S GOT A KITCHEN AND A BATHROOM, A DINING AREA, AND YOU CAN STAY THERE FOR 30 OR MORE DAYS. DON'T PAY HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL, WHICH ARE ALSO KNOWN AS CORPORATE APARTMENTS, IS NO DIFFERENT THAN, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH YOU'RE JUST REGULAR APARTMENTS. SO AGAIN, FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THERE IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGE. UH, I'D SAY NO CHANGE AT ALL. UH, SLIDE NINE. OKAY, I SEE THE SLIDES ARE CATCHING UP WITH MY PRESENTATION. UH, SLIDE NINE, UH, IS JUST A PICTURE OF WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET. UH, SLIDE 10 PICTURES OF THE FACADE, THE BACKSIDE, THE POOL AREA, EVERYTHING IS STAYING, UH, THE SAME. AND SO REALLY THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO IS SLIDE 11. IT'S A SLIDE I TITLED WALKABILITY. AND SO WE HAVE LIMITED PARKING ON THE SITE. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE NOT INCREASING PARKING BECAUSE WE CAN'T, UH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T INCREASE IMPERVIOUS COVER. UH, THE OPERATOR OF THE NEW APARTMENTS, UH, WON'T ISSUE ANY PARKING PASSES TO TENANTS IN EXCESS OF THE EXISTING NUMBER OF, OF PARKING SPACES. BUT THIS IS SUCH A GREAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S VERY WALKABLE TO U T SS A. AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WALKABILITY SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE WE ARE THREE MINUTES, A THREE MINUTE WALK. AND THAT'S IF YOU'RE WALKING SLOW TO THE NEAREST BUS STOP AND FIVE MINUTES ACROSS 1604 TO U T S A. UH, WHEN I WAS UNDERGRADUATE, I LIVED ON CAMPUS AT U T S A. I LIVED IN THE UNIVERSITY OAKS APARTMENTS PRINTED UP ON U T S A BOULEVARD, AND THE STAYBRIDGE SUITES LOCATION IS ACTUALLY CLOSER TO CLASSROOMS THAN MY APARTMENTS ON CAMPUS WERE. SO WE ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS PRETTY WALKABLE. THIS IS NOT LIMITED SOLELY TO STUDENTS, BUT WE THINK STUDENTS ARE THE PRIMARY MARKET, UH, FOR THIS CONVERSION. THAT'S WHAT WE LEARNED IN COVID THOUGH, IS WE HAVE LESS OF A DEMAND FOR HOTELS, AND WE HAVE A MUCH GREATER DEMAND FOR PLACES TO LIVE. THE OTHER THING THAT WE LEARNED AND HAVE LEARNED DURING COVID IS WE NEED PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S SUCH A HUGE DEMAND FOR HOUSING. THIS ALLOWS US TO CREATE SOME HOUSING. VERY IMMEDIATELY, UH, STAFF HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE AS SOLVES AND SUPPORT, AND I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT OUR REQUEST. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. KILLEN. AND, UH, MR. ESCALANTE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A SAS REPORT FOR THIS ONE AS WELL. UH, YES. I, I, I BELIEVE I GAVE THE, THE PRESENTATION. UM, SO SORRY. THANK YOU. I'M STARTING TO LOSE FOCUS. UH, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE. UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER ROMERO FOR MOTION AND DISCUSSION. I OKAY. UM, I, I WILL MAKE THIS MUCH SHORTER. UM, GREAT PRESENTATION. UH, YEAH, THIS DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE LAND USE. IT DOES HAVE GREAT WALKABILITY. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. UH, SO I RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH SAUL'S. RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEM FOUR SECOND. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH SAUL'S RECOMMENDATIONS BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. PRO TEMP GREATHOUSE BY EACH CHAIR. SIPES? YES. AND CHAIR BUSSA. AYE. MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ZERO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. [02:25:04] ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO M I'M SORRY, WE'RE PRESENTING THE ITEM. IF YOU'D PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE BY PRESSING STAR SIX STAFF. DID I STEP ON YOU? OKAY, SO [5. 21-3588 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700066 ERZD (Council District 8): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 UC-1 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD" Residential Single-Family IH-10/FM 1604 Urban Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District to "NC UC-1 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD" Neighborhood Commercial IH-10/FM 1604 Urban Corridor Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District on Lot 2, Block 13, NCB 14768, located at 15719 Babcock Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] I'LL START OVER. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO NC. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 5 7 1 9 BABCOCK ROAD. 10 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR. TWO WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION HILLS AND DALES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. THE EXISTING R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT ALONG BABCOCK ALONG THE BABCOCK CORRIDOR AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL, THE PROPOSED NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING IS A MORE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE AREA AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ACTS AS A BUFFER BETWEEN THE THOROUGHFARE POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL AND THE NEARBY EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES. THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD ALLOW LOW IMPACT, WALKABLE COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND SERVICES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING AND BUS ROUTES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND WE HAVE SAWS AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. MR. CHAIR, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. ESCALANTE. UH, I THINK WE'LL START WITH YOU AGAIN AND THIS TIME I WILL REMEMBER THAT I'VE ASKED YOU TO GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION. OKAY, GREAT. UH, MIKE ESCALANTE WITH FOR PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION. WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT, UH, 15 7 1 9 BABCOCK ROAD TO ALLOW AN EXISTING HOUSE TO BE USED AS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OFFICE. THE SITE CONSISTS OF A, UH, 1008 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE WITH A COVERED PATIO AND A, AND A DRIVEWAY LOCATED ON 0.33, UH, ACRE LOT. UH, NO PORTION OF THE SITE IS WITHIN A FLOOD, FLOOD PLAIN PLANE. AND NO SENSITIVE FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE, NOR NOTED ON FILE. SAW IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT TO INCLUDE NOT TO EXCEED THE EXISTING 20% IMPERVIOUS COVER FOR THE 0.33 AC ACRES SITE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. ESCALANTE. UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS MICHELLE GRIFFEY. UM, I'M THE OWNER OF 1 5 7 1 9 BABCOCK ROAD. MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED THIS HOME, UH, APPROXIMATELY SIX YEARS AGO AND USED IT AS A RENTAL PROPERTY. AND LAST YEAR WE RE UM, EXCUSE ME, THE STORM IS HERE NOW. AND THEN, UH, THIS PAST YEAR WE USED IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. WE'RE, UH, TRYING TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND WHEN WE ARE GETTING COMMENTS FROM MY AIRBNB HOST ALONG WITH MY RENTERS, IT'S JUST NOT THE BEST. IT'S RIGHT ON BOBCAT ROAD. SO WE WANTED TO USE IT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UH, ZONING, UH, BECAUSE SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE ASKED US ABOUT USING IT AS FOR A BEAUTY SALON OR DIFFERENT, UM, SMALL BUSINESSES. ONE, UM, ACTUALLY WAS A LAW OFFICE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU MS. GRIFFEY, UM, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE, SO IT'S, UH, BACK TO YOU DR. ROMERO. THANK YOU. UM, CHRISTIAN, FOR STAFF, CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THE, UH, TWO S AND OPPOSITION CAME FROM? ARE THOSE FROM IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS OR, I, I KNOW THAT HILLS AND DIALYSIS IN SUPPORT, WE, WE COULDN'T HEAR, UH, WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE BREAKING UP, BUT, UH, I'LL TELL YOU THE COUNTS WERE, UH, 10 NOTICES, ONE IN FAVOR, TWO IN OPPOSITION AND HILLS AT IN DES IS IN SUPPORT. OKAY. SO CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE THE TWO IN OPPOSITION ARE THOSE NEIGHBORS? IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS? YES. THEY'RE THE TWO IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH. AND MICHAEL CAN ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE FURTHER FOR YOU. GO AHEAD MICHAEL. YES, THEY'RE THE TWO NEIGHBORS ON WILD EAGLE STREETS, WHICH IS, UM, MRS. HARPER AND MR. CHRISTENSEN. OKAY. THEN I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, MR. GREY, UM, WERE YOU ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THOSE NEIGHBORS AT ALL? YES. I, I ACTUALLY DID REACH OUT IF I'M THINKING [02:30:01] THIS IS THE CORRECT ONE AND I SPOKE TO THE MAN AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS ALL FOR IT. SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE. LET ME TELL YOU, IF, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 7 2 0 4 WILD EAGLE, IS THAT THE PROPERTY? 'CAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT I WAS, UM, TOLD TO GO TALK TO IS THAT'S THE ONLY NEIGHBOR THAT WAS IN THE 200 YARD PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. 'CAUSE MOST OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE EITHER ACROSS THE STREET IS COMMERCIAL AND BESIDE ME ON BOTH, UM, THE SOUTH AND IS, UM, EMPTY. THEY'RE ALL, WELL THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET SEE TWO COMMERCIAL AND THE ONE NEXT TO ME IS EMPTY. OKAY. BUT HE ACTED LIKE HE WAS IN SUPPORT OF IT AND I TOLD HIM WHAT IT WAS GONNA BE. IT'S AN AIRBNB CURRENTLY. AND I WENT AND TALKED TO HIM AND HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT HE WAS, YOU KNOW, HE THOUGHT IT WAS FINE. OKAY. SO I DON'T THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S SAYING THAT THIS, IT WASN'T HIS SUPPORT, SO. OKAY. IT'S NOT CLEAR IT'S THE SAME PERSON, BUT, OKAY. THANK YOU THO. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROMERO. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? STAFF? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONERS. UH, I SEE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO TO YOU FOR A MOTION AND DISCUSSION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I, I WISH WE KNEW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COMMENTS AND OPPOSITION, BUT I, I DON'T SEE THAT AS A REASON TO DELAY THIS. UM, BABCOCK IS CHANGING A LOT AND I REALLY THINK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS A GOOD IDEA HERE. WE ARE GETTING A LOT, LOT OF PEOPLE COMING AND TALKING TO US ABOUT C ONE OR C TWO ON BABCOCK AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT, BUT THE RESIDENTIAL, IT IS NOT WORKING. BABCOCK IS, IS JUST, UH, IT'S, YEAH. UM, THE APPLICANT'S RIGHT. IT'S NOT A PLACE YOU WANNA HAVE YOUR FRONT DOOR FACING. UM, SO I, I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT THOUGH IF SHE COULD WORK WITH STAFF, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN IT GOES TO COUNSEL TO, TO POSSIBLY REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS TO WHO DID RETURN, UH, NOTICES AND OPPOSITION. UH, BUT I HAVE MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE WITH ALL SAUL'S RECOMMENDATIONS. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH SAUL'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. I'M SORRY. WHO, WHO WAS THAT? JONES COMMISSIONER JONES. RIGHT. JONES. OKAY. UH, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL WITH ALL SAWS RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS SEEING NONE. STAFF ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER? WE A DR. DORO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. VICE CHAIR SYKES? YES. AND CHAIR BUSTAMANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES NINE TO ZERO AND, UH, CHAIR, WE ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. WE KNOW THAT THAT COMMISSIONER MCGEE HAVE STEPPED AWAY FOR A MOMENT, SO IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO ITEM [7. 21-3590 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700045 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from “RM-4 MLOD-3 MLR-2 AHOD” Residential Mixed Martindale Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to “IDZ-2 MLOD-3 MLR-2 AHOD” Medium Intensity Infill Development Zone Martindale Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for six (6) residential units on South 50 feet of East 70 feet of Lot 1, North 100 feet of South 150 feet of East 70 feet of Lot 1 or 1A, Block 2, NCB 1528, located at 123 and 131 Boudet Place. Staff recommends Denial, with an Alternate Recommendation. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2021-11600023) (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] SEVEN. YES. LET'S GO ON TO ITEM NU NUMBER SEVEN AND LET'S REMIND FOLKS THAT, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX HAS BEEN POSTPONED. SO IT'LL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED UNTIL IT IS RENO. SO IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AND HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF THAT WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST TO REZONED FROM RMM FOUR TO ID Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR SIX RESIDENTIAL UNITS. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 1 23 AND 1 31 BDAY PLACE. 45 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO RESPONSE FROM DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE EXISTING RMM FOUR IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. ALTHOUGH THE AREA IS PRIMARILY ZONED RMM FOUR, IT IS DEVELOPED WITH MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE PROPOSED IDZ TWO WOULD NOT BE AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE BLOCK AND IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY HOME STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF IDZ ONE WITH USE OF PERMITTED AN MF 18 LIMITED LIMITED DENSITY MULTIFAMILY [02:35:01] DISTRICT. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE FOR QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, IF THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE, UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. YOU'LL HAVE TO HIT YES, WE CAN. YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. YES. MY NAME IS JARED AIKEN. I, UM, AM THE, UH, OWNER AND ONE OF THE PARTNERS IN THE, UM, BETTE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCLUDES 1, 2, 3, ALONG WITH, UM, 1 1 30 AS WELL. UH, MR. AIKEN, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU SIR. REALLY QUICKLY, IF YOU HAVE THE HEARING GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE MUTE THAT. OKAY. SURE. I'M SORRY. AND THEN, AND THEN I APOLOGIZE. BEGIN AGAIN. NO, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. IT'S JUST, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. HAPPY TO COOPERATE. UH, WE JUST HEARD THE RECOMMENDATION OF MOVING TO IDD Z ONE AND, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, MY PARTNERS AND I WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT LIMITS OUR DEVELOPMENT AT ALL. UM, UH, THE GOAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TO BRING SIX TOWN HOMES TO THIS COMMUNITY, UH, THAT FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE TOWN HOMES. UH, I BELIEVE WE PROVIDED YOU ALL WITH A, UH, RENDERING OF WHAT THE TOWNHOMES WOULD LOOK LIKE ALONG WITH OUR UNITS. UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL UP THAT? UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL THAT UP? IT IS. I'M NOT, IT'S CURRENTLY ON THE SCREEN, SIR. WE HAVE, WE HAVE A A, A SITE PLAN FOR THE UNITS AND THE RENDERING OF THE, OF TWO OF THE TOWN HOMES. YES. THERE YOU GO. SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING LIKE. SO THIS IS WHAT THE TOWN HOMES WOULD LOOK LIKE. UH, AND IT'LL BE SIX OF THEM. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE NEEDED THE, WE NEED THE I D Z, SO THE RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO I D Z ONE WILL BE, WILL BE SUFFICIENT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO, UH, INTERRUPT OUR DEVELOPMENT ALL. UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I WANNA KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS ALL AFTERNOON. I'VE BEEN WAITING HERE WITH YOU SINCE ONE AND LISTENING AND LEARNING. UH, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU. MR. AIKEN, UM, STAFF, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. OKAY. UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES? UH, YES. UH, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY SENT ME. LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IS IT FIVE UNITS OR SIX? IT'S SIX UNITS IN ALL. OKAY. OKAY. AND JUST ONE THING I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW IS DENVER HEIGHTS HAS, HAS BLESSED THIS, HAS BLESSED THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S OFFICE IN ORLANDO AND THEY HAVE ALSO, UM, BLESSED THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'VE SPOKEN, UM, WITH, UH, WITH AUBREY AND HE, AND, AND THE, UH, EXEC TEAM AND THE, AND THE DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION HAS BLESSED IT AND, UH, COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN TWO'S OFFICE HAS ALSO BLESSED IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, BRIEFLY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER RM FOUR AS FAR AS NUMBER OF UNITS? RMM FOUR ALLOWS FOUR UNITS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES TO YOU FOR, UH, MOTION AND DISCUSSION. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MOVE, UM, WITH THE, UH, FOR THIS TWO, THE I D Z ONE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE IT FROM I D Z TWO TO I D Z ONE. OKAY. ACTUALLY, LET ME UM, INTERRUPT YOU. SORRY, DR. JONES. UH, MR. AIKEN? YES. ARE YOU FORMALLY AMENDING YOUR REQUEST, UH, FROM I D Z TWO TO I DZ ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR SIX UNITS? YES, I ACCEPT THAT. OKAY. THE CHAIR ANTE, THAT'S NOT, YES, THAT'S NOT AN ALTERNATIVE THAT, THAT'S NOT AN ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE IDZ ONE IS ONLY GONNA ALLOW A DENSITY OF UP TO MF 18, WHICH TRANSLATES [02:40:01] TO FOUR UNITS. SO IF THE DESIRE IS FOR HIM TO PROCEED WITH SIX UNITS, HE DOES NEED THE IDZ TWO. WELL, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE LOTS CURRENTLY. SO WE WOULD, WE'RE AT, WE'RE AT, WE ULTIMATELY THESE ARE GONNA TURN IN FROM TWO SEPARATE LOTS, UH, TO TWO SEPARATE LOTS TO SIX INDIVIDUAL LOTS. THE, WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO RENT THESE, THESE ARE GOING TO BE TOWN HOMES FOR SALE IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. AIKEN. AND, UH, AND THE ODD THING I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT MY, UH, MY ARCHITECT JUST, UM, HE JUST SENT ME, IS HE'S CONCERNED THAT OUR UNITS ARE GONNA BE 1800 SQUARE FEET. SO WE WANT TO, WE WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. AIKEN. UM, YES. ALRIGHT, SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, THAT I D Z ONE DOES NOT ALLOW MR. AIKEN TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT HE WANTS. MR. AIKEN, I'M GONNA ASK YOU AGAIN, UH, YOU DO NOT WANT TO AMEND TO I D Z ONE IF IT ONLY ALLOWS YOU FOUR UNITS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. IF WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE ALLOWED FOUR UNITS, THEN, THEN I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS OUR GOAL. IF YOU CAN WITH MY PARTNERS NOW, YES, MR. TERRY, IF, IF YOU ARE, UH, HAVING ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION, WE ARE NOT HEARING ANYTHING. UH, I WAS ACTUALLY JUST STARING AT MY WATCH, GIVING THEM A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT WANNA BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, MORE OF THE AGENDA TO GO. SO I DON'T WANT THIS TO RUN ON TOO LONG. UH, I WAS SILENTLY STARING AT MY WATCH. UM, DR. JONES, I THINK ULTIMATELY THIS IS GONNA BE UP TO YOU AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS IMPACTS YOUR MOTION. UH, YES IT DOES. I GUESS I, WHAT I'LL DO IS WITHDRAW THE PREVIOUS MOTION AND, UH, SINCE THE, UH, COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT, THAT I KNOW OF ARE IN FAVOR OF IT AND THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION THAT I'M RECOMMENDING I D Z TWO. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION I'M RECOMMENDING THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. OKAY. THERE IS A, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. IS THERE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS SECOND. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED BY COMMISSIONER JONES, UH, WITH THE, UH, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. AND THIS IS, AND AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BECAUSE FROM SOMETHING THAT THE, THE, THE APPLICANT JUST MENTIONED. HOW MANY, HOW MANY LOTS ARE WE TALKING? IS IT ACTUALLY TWO LOTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? ARE FOUR ON EACH LOT RIGHT NOW? SO YES SIR. RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TWO LOTS. EACH OF THEM ZONED RMM FOUR. SO ON EACH RMM FOUR LOT, YOU GET FOUR UNITS. SO HE COULD, RIGHT NOW UNDER RMM FOUR HAVE EIGHT, A TOTAL OF EIGHT UNITS ON THE TWO LOTS. UH, THEY'RE ASKING FOR IDZ TWO FOR SIX LOTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEY ARE GONNA SUB, THEY ARE GONNA SUBDIVIDE THEM. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR APPROVAL. I'VE SUBMITTED, I SEE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION UP. COMMISSIONER ROME, UM, I'M SORRY I, THIS JUST WENT SO FAST. I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. SO IF IT DOESN'T CHANGE, THEY COULD DO EIGHT UNITS AND IF THEY GET THE CHANGE TO I D Z TWO, THEY CAN BUILD SIX UNITS ACROSS THE TWO LOTS. UM, I I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THOUGH WHAT HAS CHANGED IN REGARD TO STAFF RECOMMENDING DENIAL. UM, FOR SOME PRETTY STRONG REASONS. UH, THE APPLICANT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE COUNCIL OFFICE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT [02:45:01] DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT I, I GUESS I, I'M JUST NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONER JONES TO JUST EXPLAIN, I I, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU JUSTIFY YOUR OWN DISTRICT, BUT I, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT LOST. IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHY YOU'RE SUPPORTING THIS. WELL, I WAS UNAWARE THAT THE, THAT THE I D Z ONE WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE, THE SIX, THE SIX UNITS I THOUGHT THAT ID, I THOUGHT THEY COULD HAVE THE SIX UNITS IN THE I D Z ONE AND THAT'S THE REASON. BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I, I DO, I I DID RECEIVE A MESSAGE THAT THE COUNCILMAN IS IN A, IN AGREEMENT. I HAVE NOT HEARD, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT I HAVE HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCILMAN. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER OAL. UM, I GUESS I WILL GIVE MY THOUGHTS BRIEFLY, UH, WHICH IS IN, IN LIGHT OF THE EIGHT UNITS BEING ALLOWED BY RIDE UNDER CURRENT ZONING, UH, I THINK THIS MIGHT GIVE BETTER FLEXIBILITY, ALLOW, UH, THE DEVELOPER TO OVERCOME SOME ISSUES THAT, THAT WE MAY NOT BE SEEING AS ZONING AND PROVIDE HOUSING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LESS DENSE PER UNIT THAN IS ALLOWED. SO WHILE I RESPECT, UH, STAFF FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, UH, I THINK I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI DR. DORO? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. VICE-CHAIR CYFE? YES. AND CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO TWO FOR I D D TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR SIX UNITS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. STAFF. I DO NOT SEE COMMISSIONER MCGEE HAVING RETURNED. SO IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO [12. 21-3661 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700076 (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 AHOD" Limited Intensity Infill Development Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for two (2) dwelling units on Lot 18, NCB 16, located at 212 Clay Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Justin Malone, Planner, (210) 207-0157, Justin.Malone@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] ITEM NUMBER 12, PLEASE. OKAY, WE'RE CALLING IN THE NEXT APPLICANT SIR, AND WE WILL BE BEGIN PRESENTING AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS WE'VE GOT THEM ON THE LINE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY TO SCRAMBLE THE ORDER HERE. SOME ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A REQUEST TO READ ZONE FROM R SIX A H O D TO I D Z ONE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT TWO 12 CLAY STREET. 21 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO RESPONSE FROM LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE EXISTING R SIX BASED ZONING DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED ID D ONE IS ALSO APPROPRIATE AND ACHIEVES THE PLAN'S GOALS OF INCREASING RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA REGIONAL CENTER PLAN. THE SITE IS LOCATED ON CLAY STREET LESS THAN ONE BLOCK FROM SOUTH FLO STREET. THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES REQUESTED TO ALLOW FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS PER THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. GOOD. A HEARD WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE BEGINNING OF GOOD AFTERNOON, BUT THEN YOU CUT OUT, SO, OH, PLEASE CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE. , YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ROB KILLEN WITH KILLING GRIFFIN FAIRMONT. AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH YOU ABOUT TWO 12, UH, CLAY STREET. I'VE GOT A POWERPOINT AND IF, UH, STAFF COULD PULL THAT UP AND GO TO, UH, SLIDE TWO. WE'RE ASKING FOR CHANGES ON IT FROM OUR SIX TO I D Z ONE, THE IDEA THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO BUILD TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THERE. [02:50:01] AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SLIDE TWO UP YET OR NOT, BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS A STREET IMMEDIATELY SOUTH IN PARALLEL TO VALS. IT'S A VERY MIXED USE KIND OF AREA. IT'S GOT TOWN HOMES AND APARTMENTS AND SINGLE FAMILY, COMMERCIAL, ALL SORTS OF THINGS. SO A VERY WALKABLE KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, IF WE WERE STAYING AT THE ONE STOP RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD JUST BE A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY. UH, THIS IS A VACANT LOT. IF WE GO TO SLIDE, UH, THREE OF MY PRESENTATION, YOU'LL SEE THIS IS A VACANT LOT. AND THEN SLIDE FOUR, YOU CAN SEE THE DIVERSITY OF ZONING TYPES IN THE AREA. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO TO SLIDE SIX. AND IF YOU'VE GOT SLIDE SIX UP IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE SITE. SO OUR CLIENT IS, UH, A MAN NAMED WADE BASS. UH, WADE IS AN ATTORNEY. HE AND HIS WIFE UNTIL VERY RECENTLY LIVED IN WASHINGTON, DC AND THEY HAVE COME TO SAN ANTONIO TO WORK AND THEN TO, UH, RETIRE. AND SO THEY LOOKED ALL AROUND. THEY FOUND A GREAT LOCATION. THEY WERE ACTUALLY, QUITE FRANKLY SURPRISED THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND AN EMPTY LOT HERE BECAUSE THIS IS IN SUCH AN IN DEMAND, UH, AREA. AND SO THEIR PLAN IS TO BUILD A HOUSE AND THEN BUILD A HOUSE, UH, FOR THEIR FAMILY. NOW, IF WE WERE DOING THIS HEARING LIVE, UH, WADE AND HIS WIFE WOULD BE STANDING UP AT THE PODIUM NEXT, NEXT TO ME TO TELL THEIR STORY. SAID THE LOGISTICS IS REALLY CHALLENGING TO DO THAT. I ASKED WADE TO, TO GIMME SOME, UH, COMMENTS IN HIS OWN WORDS AS TO HIS PLANS FOR THIS, UH, SITE. AND SO WHAT WADE SAID WAS, WE ARE BUILDING THIS AS OUR RETIREMENT HOME AND PLAN TO LIVE, WORK THERE, AND AGE IN PLACE THERE. PART OF THIS LONG-TERM PLAN IS THAT OUR DAUGHTER AND HER FAMILY WILL BE NEARBY, BUT NOT IN THE SAME HOUSE. THIS ALLOWS THE YOUNG FAMILY TO HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE AND ALLOWS US TO HAVE THEM NEARBY. NOW, I'M SURE IT SOUND MUCH BETTER COMING OUTTA WADE'S, UH, MOUTH, BUT I HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF, OF HIS FAMILY, OF HIS DAUGHTER, HIS SON-IN-LAW. THEY HAVE A TWO-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON. AND THE IDEA IS THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A, BASICALLY A FAMILY COMPOUND, AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN ALL LIVE TOGETHER WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING IN THE SAME HOUSE. AND, UH, I KNOW I'M ON A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY WITH MY SCREEN, BUT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. SO IF YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT SLIDE SIX FOR THE LAST FEW MINUTES, YOU CAN SEE BY THE WAY, WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR, UH, OFF STREET PARKING IN THE FORM OF PARKING GARAGE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE IT FROM SLIDE SIX TO SLIDE SEVEN. THIS GIVES YOU A, A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. BY THE WAY, THE ARCHITECT IS ALBERTO ASSUMES THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW ALBERTA. HE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND HE ACTUALLY USED TO WORK RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, UH, FROM HERE. SO HIS OFFICE WAS OVER THERE. UH, AND SLIDE, THAT'S SLIDE SEVEN, SLIDE EIGHT. IF YOU COULD SHOW SLIDE EIGHT WHILE I'M TALKING. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE OF THE FRONT OF THE FRONT HOUSE. AND THEN GO FROM THERE. OVER TO SLIDE NINE, THOSE ARE JUST A, A FEW OTHER PICTURES. UH, WE HAVE DONE SOME OUTREACH TO THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF VOICEMAILS OF FOLKS WHO MAY HAVE HAD CONCERNS. I KNOW, UH, BOTH MR. UH, BASS WADE, OUR CLIENT, SPOKE TO MR. SANDOVAL AND I SPOKE TO SAN MR. SANDOVAL YESTERDAY AND, UH, I KNOW HE HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE. UH, HE MAY HAVE OTHER CONCERNS ON HIS VOICEMAIL. UH, SPOKE TO A FEW OTHERS, UH, TRIED TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS, BUT, BUT REALLY THAT'S IT. IT IS, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE HERE. TWO HOUSES REALLY THAT, UH, WADE AND HIS WIFE AND THEIR DAUGHTER, SON-IN-LAW AND THEIR GRANDSON CAN REALLY ALL SHARE AND LIVE TOGETHER AS A FAMILY. BUT THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS UNDER THE CODE IS TO GET IT ZONED TO ALLOW FOR TWO SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES. AND, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW WITH THE I D Z, WE ARE BOUND TO THE SITE PLAN THAT WE, UH, SUBMIT. SO WITH THAT, WHAT I'LL DO IS I WILL STOP TALKING AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, LEAVE SOME TIME FOR ANY REBUTTAL OR COMMENTS IN RESPONSE TO THE VOICEMAILS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU MR. KILLEN. ALRIGHT, STAFF, UH, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT IF WE CAN PLAY THAT NOW, PLEASE. YES, SIR. HELLO, THIS IS STEPHANIE WARD. I LIVE AT 1 32 CLAY STREET. MY NUMBER IS 2 1 0 8 4 9 7 0 8 4. I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 2 1 0 7 6. I WOULD LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR TWO 12 CLAY STREET. MY CONCERN IS BASED ON INCREASED DENSITY, UH, THAT THE PROPERTY THAT THE ZONING REQUEST WOULD REQUIRE FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE IMPACT ON PARKING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN ON [02:55:01] THE STREET. THANK YOU. HELLO, JUSTIN. I TALKED TO YOU YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE. UH, I'M THE NEIGHBOR FROM THE TWO 12. UH, I HAVE A, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE, THE DEAL FOR THE ZONING. OKAY. UM, I'M IMPOSED BECAUSE OF THE FENCE LINE. UM, WE GOTTA GET THAT RESOLVED AND UM, THAT'S THE THING. EVERYTHING ELSE IS OKAY EXCEPT FOR THE FENCE. UH, THE FENCE STAYS AS IS BECAUSE WE'RE SHARING THE, THE FENCE. SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. I'M CALLING 'CAUSE I CAN'T ATTEND IT. UM, IF YOU COULD GIMME A CALL BACK. MY NUMBER IS TWO TEN SIX THREE FORTY SEVEN EIGHTY ONE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND DO WE HAVE A NAME FOR THE SECOND CALLER OR DID I MISS IT IN THE MESSAGE? SANDOVAL, MR. SANDOVAL. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UM, MR. KILLEN, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES OF REBUTTAL? UH, I DON'T NEED THAT LONG, BUT THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I SPOKE TO MR. SANDOVAL YESTERDAY. HE'D EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE FENCE ON, BECAUSE I GUESS WHEN THE SURVEYOR CAME OUT THOUGH, THEY, THEY HAD PUT SOME POSTS IN AND FLAGGED IT. SO, UH, WADE BASS, OUR CLIENT HAS VISITED MR. SANDOVAL, THEY'LL, THEY'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE THE FENCE LINE GOES. THAT'S THAT. THE SURVEYORS WILL FIGURE THAT OUT. I DON'T THINK HE HAD ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACTUAL ZONING. AND THEN MS. WARD'S COMMENT WAS ABOUT, UH, DENSITY AND PARKING. OBVIOUSLY SHE DIDN'T SEE THE PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT OFF STREET, UH, PARKING. SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE, I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS OR, OR REBUTTAL FOR THAT. THANK YOU MR. KILLEN. UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE. UM, SO IT WILL GO TO ME AND MY FIRST QUESTION IS TO THE STAFF. AND, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT FENCE LINE QUESTION IS, IS AN ISSUE FOR SURVEYORS AND, AND FOR THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. UH, DO YOU AGREE? YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, SO I WOULD VIEW THAT AS BEYOND OUR PURVIEW. I, I HOPE THAT GOOD FENCES DO INDEED MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS. UH, AND I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? AM SEEING NONE. UM, ALRIGHT, WELL THEN IT, IT'LL COME BACK TO ME. AND, AND QUICKLY, UM, I HAD THE CHANCE TO TALK TO MR. BASS. I HAD ACTUALLY FORGOTTEN, UH, UNTIL RECENTLY THAT I HAD TALKED TO HIM. UM, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD USAGE. THE RENDERINGS ARE GOOD. THE I D Z ONE, UH, IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS AREA, UH, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF, OF THE STORY THAT HE HAS. BUT EVEN BEYOND THAT, KNOWING THAT ZONING RUNS WITH THE LAND, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD USE. THE O THE OFF STREET PARKING, UH, IS NECESSARY AND LOOKS APPROPRIATE. SO I'M GONNA MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 12. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE HAS A SECOND FOR MY MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 12. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS SEEING NONE. STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE. HI, DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. VICE CHAIR SIP. YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. NINE TO ZERO. UM, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. STAFF. [2. 21-3846 (Continued from 05/04/2021) ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700065 CD (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 CD MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District with a Conditional Use for Motor Vehicle Sales on Lot 9, Lot 10, Lot 11, and Lot 12, Block 170, NCB 9453, located at 3320 Commercial Avenue. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Senior Planner, (210) 207-8208, michael.pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] IF WE CAN NOW GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, AS COMMISSIONER MCGEE HAS RETURNED. YES SIR. [03:00:13] ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE CELLS WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. THERE WERE LOCATED AT 33 20 COMMERCIAL AVENUE. THERE WERE 25 NOTICES MAILED ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE CURRENT R SIX ZONING IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO CD WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE STREET, AND THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. THE CONDITIONAL USE WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO OPERATE A C THREE USE, BUT POTENTIALLY MITIGATE IMPACT THROUGH APPLICATION OF CONDITIONS SUCH AS LIMITATION OF HOURS, DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING, LANDSCAPE BUFFERING, AND LIMITATION OF SIGNAGE. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED AN UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT WAS SENT TO YOU EARLIER TODAY, AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE AS WELL. MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. AND YOU MAY HAVE TO HIT STAR SIX AND TEST US OUT HERE, SIR, IF YOU'D HIT R SIX. MR. CHAIR, WE'RE GETTING A NOTE FROM THE APPLICANT THAT'S SAYING THAT THEY ARE SEEKING A FOUR WEEK CONTINUUM. OKAY. UM, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO COMMISSIONER MCGEE IN THAT CASE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M SORRY, I, I'M SORRY, MR. COMMISSIONER MCGEE, BEFORE I DO THAT, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? STAFF? NO, SIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. OKAY. SURPRISE. UM, THE, UH, STAFF. MAY I HAVE THE, UH, DATE FOR THAT, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER MCGEE? I BELIEVE IT'S JUNE 15TH. JUNE 15. OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. I, UM, MOVE THAT WE, UM, POSTPONE, UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO UNTIL THE JUNE 15TH HEARING. AND, AND COMMISSIONER MCGEE, JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GONNA RE-NOTICE THIS. THAT'S A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 15TH RATHER THAN POSTPONEMENT. OH, DID I LOSE HER? ALL RIGHT. , I APOLOGIZE EVERYONE, THIS IS THE LAWYER IN ME STAFF. IT IS TO A DATE SPECIFIC, SIR. AND SO AS SUCH, IT, IT'S A CONTINUANCE AND SO WE'LL NOTE IT AS A CONTINUANCE. WE'LL, WE'LL DEEM THIS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 15TH BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE. UH, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JONES. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE HAS TOLD ME SHE'S HAVING TECHNICAL PROBLEMS, BUT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. I'M BACK. I'M BACK AGAIN. ALRIGHT. , WE GOT HER. ALRIGHT. . UM, YEAH, THE INTERNET WENT OUT. SORRY. BUT I DID, DID YOU CATCH MY MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE UNTIL, UH, JUNE 15TH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE ARE, WE ARE NOW GETTING READY TO GO. ROLL CALL. VOTE UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS. NO, I DO NOT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. STAFF ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER, WE HI. AYE. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. VICE CHAIR SIPES? YES. CHAIR ANTE. AYE. MOTION [03:05:01] PASSES 10 TO ZERO FOR A CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 15TH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I BELIEVE WE'RE NOW ON [20. 21-3537 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700086 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "R-5 MLOD-3 MLR-2" Residential Single-Family Martindale Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District and "R-6 MLOD-3 MLR-2" Residential Single-Family Martindale Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District to "IDZ-2 MLOD-3 MLR-2" Medium Intensity Infill Development Zone Martindale Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District with uses permitted for 18 dwelling units on Lot 11, Lots 23 and 24, Block D, NCB 1160 and Lot 25, Block A, NCB 1155, generally located in the 300 Block of Bee Street and Coleman Street. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2021-11600025) (Azadeh Sagheb, Senior Planner, (210) 207-5407, Azadeh.Sagheb@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).] TO ITEM NUMBER 20. ITEM NUMBER 20 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE AND R SIX TO IDZ TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR 18 DWELLING UNITS. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 300 BLOCK OF B STREET AND COLEMAN STREET 30 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR ZERO OR RETURNED IN OPPOSITION GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 1514 REQUEST AND THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 1514 ASH REQUEST A POSTPONEMENT. THE EXISTING ZONING OF R FIVE AND R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. THE PROPOSED IDZ TWO IS ALSO APPROPRIATE AND ACHIEVES THE PLAN'S GOALS OF INCREASING CLEANING UP THE VACANT LOTS AND REVITALIZING THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE GOVERNMENT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS SITE IS LOCATED ON CORNER LOTS ALONG NORTH WALTER STREET WHERE AREAS OF SLIGHTLY HIGHER DENSITY ARE GENERALLY FOUND. THE IDZ TWO SITE PLAN LIMITS THE DENSITY TO 18 UNITS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS EMILY WEISLER. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME ALRIGHT? YES. THANK YOU MS. WEISLER, PLEASE, UH, CONTINUE. THANK YOU. UM, I'M WITH K GRIFFIN AND FERMAN 100 NORTHEAST BLUE FOUR TEN SIX FIFTY. UM, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER AND APPLICANT, UH, MR. GILL WITH J A S IS ON THE LINE WITH ME. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM AFTER THE PRESENTATION, I KNOW IT HAS BEEN AN EXTREMELY LONG DAY, SO I WILL TRY TO KEEP THIS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. UM, IF WE COULD START WITH SLIDE TWO PLEASE. AS STAFF MENTIONED, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THESE TWO PARCELS ON EITHER SIDE OF B STREET ALONG NORTH WALTERS. YOU CAN SEE IN THE AERIAL THAT WE'RE NORTH OF CARSON STREET, BUT JUST SOUTH OF THE WALTERS GATE AT FORT SAM HOUSTON. UH, B PARCELS SERVE AS A BUFFER TO THE NOISE AND ACTIVITY THAT'S COMMON ON THIS MAJOR THOROUGHFARE CORRIDOR. OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IN THAT BUFFER, ADDING ADDITIONAL PROTECTION TO THE ASSIST SUSTAINED SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY, UH, PRESERVING ITS CHARACTER WHILE ENHANCING THESE USE OF VACANT PARCELS. UH, QUICKLY ON SLIDE THREE, JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT, UH, THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH WALTERS AND I 35, WHICH IS THE SOUTHERN END OF, OF OUR, OF OUR AREA HERE. UM, WE'RE FURTHER UP ON WALTERS CLOSER TO THE FACE, BUT JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO THE LOCATION. UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WALTERS IS NOW A FULLY IMPROVED FIVE LANES THOROUGHFARE. THAT THEIRS IS A GATEWAY BOTH LITERALLY AND VISUALLY, UH, FROM THE HIGHWAY TO THE BASE. UH, SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE INTENSITY AND FUNCTIONALITY OF NORTH WALTERS, UM, AND HOW THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ONLY SUPPORTED BY THE IN 16 INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IS APPROPRIATE HERE. SLIDE FOUR. UH, THE TWO YELLOW STARS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE ARE THE VACANT PARCELS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP. UH, OUR PROJECT WILL FRONT NORTH WALTERS, THEY WILL FACE NORTH WALTERS, UM, JUST KIND OF AS THESE LOTS DO. UH, THESE LOTS WERE PREVIOUSLY OWNED BY UNION PACIFIC AND WERE UNDEVELOPED RIGHT OF WAY. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS HERE INCLUDES VERY LARGE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF WALTERS. UM, AND THAT THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS EVEN IN THIS PHOTO ARE ALMOST INVISIBLE, UH, TO WALTERS. SO THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY BUFFERED AND SEPARATED, UH, FROM THE STREET, UH, BETWEEN THESE TWO. UH, SLIDE FIVE PLEASE. THIS IS A NORTHERN B STREET LOT IN ITS CURRENT STATE. WE HAVE AT THE FENCE AND THE DRIVEWAY OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE HERE. UM, AND WE HAVE THE SAME CONFIGURATION ON OUR, ON OUR LARGER PARCEL. SLIDE SIX, WHICH JUST SHOWS KIND OF A WIDE ANGLE VIEW OF BOTH LOTS IN EXISTING CONDITIONS. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THOSE LOTS ARE, ARE PHYSICALLY, VISUALLY SEPARATED. UH, FROM, FROM WALTERS, FROM THESE LOTS FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY. SLIDE SEVEN PLEASE. SLIDE SEVEN JUST SHOWS THE SOUTHERN B STREET LOT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS, IS DEFINITIVELY SEPARATED FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS. UH, BUT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ABUTTING THAT RESIDENCE. THERE'S AN ENTIRE VACANT LOT, UH, BETWEEN US AND THAT BLUE HOME, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, THAT'S USED FOR, UH, VEHICLE STORAGE AT THIS POINT. UM, SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY ABUT AN EXISTING RESIDENCE, UM, RIGHT THERE. JUST A, A VACANT LOT. SLIDE [03:10:01] EIGHT, PLEASE. UH, THIS IS JUST THE SOUTHERN END OF THAT LARGE LOT, WHICH BUTTS COLEMAN STREET, COLEMAN STREET DEAD ENDS HERE AND DOES NOT CONNECT TO WALTERS. AND WE'VE CONFIGURED OUR PROJECT WITH THAT IN MIND. UH, BOTH LOTS PROPOSED FOR REZONING ARE SORELY UNDERUTILIZED. AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW SLIDES. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT, WHICH BRINGS NEW LIFE AND, AND DEFINITELY NEW NEIGHBORS TO THESE VACANT PARCELS. SLIDE NINE, PLEASE. UH, AFTER WORKING WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. UH, WE AMENDED OUR PLAN REQUEST AT PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK FROM LOW DENSITY MIXED USE TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, OUR PROPOSED DENSITY, ALTHOUGH JUST FOR 18 TOTAL UNITS, IS ABOUT 25 UNITS AN ACRE, WHICH IS NOT HIGH DENSITY BY, BY MOST CIRCUMSTANCES OR EVEN U D C DEFINITION, BUT IT'S CONSIDERED SO WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT HILL PLAN. UH, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INTRODUCING MORE COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE CONSISTENCY ON WALTERS. UH, BUT THOSE DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY, BY THIS REQUEST ASKED US TO STICK WITH A HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PLAN AMENDMENT TO ENSURE THAT OUR PLAN DESIGNATION MATCHES THE RESIDENTIAL ONLY ZONING REQUEST THAT WE'RE PURSUING. UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE WHO WERE IN OPPOSITION, UH, TO THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY BASED ON THE PLAN AMENDMENT, HAVE SINCE RESCINDED THAT OPPOSITION AND REMAINED SUPPORTIVE OF THE OVERALL PROJECT. UH, PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED OUR AMENDED REQUEST LAST WEEK UNANIMOUSLY AND CONCURRED THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND THE REQUESTED HIGH DENSITY RES DESIGNATION WAS BOTH CONSISTENT, UH, AND APPROPRIATE FOR THESE PARCELS. SLIDE 10 PLEASE. SO OUR PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY ZONED R FIVE AND R SIX. THESE WERE LEFTOVER RIGHT OF WAY PURCHASE FROM UNION PACIFIC. OUR REQUEST TODAY IS TO REZONE TO I DZ TWO WITH USE PERMITTED FOR 18 TOTAL UNITS, UH, NINE DUPLEXES I D C. UM, AND A MIXTURE OF USES ARE ESTABLISHED UP AND DOWN. WALTERS IS VARYING INTENSITY AND DENSITY. UM, BUT HERE SPECIFICALLY THE WALKABILITY AND ORIENTATION OF THOSE EXISTING USES COMPARED TO THESE TWO VACANT PARCELS DOES LEND ITSELF TO A HIGHER DENSITY USE ON THIS CORRIDOR, UH, TO BUFFER THOSE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILIES. THERE ARE APARTMENTS AND TOWN HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ALL WITHIN GOVERNMENT HILL, BUT THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION OF QUALITY DUPLEXES ADDS ANOTHER HOUSING OPTION, PARTICULARLY ONE THAT IS REASONABLY PRICED HOUSING OPTION AT THE DOORSTEP OF BEFORE SAM. UH, PROVIDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING FOR THOSE SERVICING CIVILIAN MEMBERS AT THE BASE IS A, A PRIORITY HERE OF THIS PROJECT. SLIDE 11 PLEASE SHOWS OUR I D D TWO SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE TWO DUPLEXES ON THE NORTHERN B STREET LOT, THE SEVEN DUPLEXES ON OUR SOUTHERN FOR A TOTAL OF NINE DUPLEXES. AGAIN, STAFF PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, OVERALL ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. UH, MR. GID BEGAN DISCUSSING THIS PROJECT WITH GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE OVER A YEAR AGO. UM, AND THE PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT HAS REMAINED, UM, AS, AS YOU SEE IT NOW, UH, SINCE THE BEGINNING AND BEEN, THAT WAS SUPPORT THROUGHOUT. UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH A VARIETY OF FOLKS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. UM, AND MONTHS. EACH UNIT WILL BE ABOUT 1400 SQUARE FEET, SO 2,800 SQUARE FEET PER DUPLEX, UM, INCLUDING A TWO FULL CAR GARAGE PER UNIT. SO WE'RE PROVIDING, UH, SUFFICIENT OFF STREET PARKING, UM, WITH DRIVEWAY SPACES ON THIS. UH, THE PROJECT IS LIMITED TO 35 FEET IN HEIGHT, UM, BOTH BASED ON OUR SITE PLAN NOTES AS WELL AS BECAUSE WE ARE WITHIN 50 FEET OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. UM, THE LARGER OF THE TWO LOTS PROVIDES OVER 20 FEET OF BUFFERING SEPARATION. UM, BETWEEN THE ADJACENT LOTS DRIVEWAY AND THE CLOSE TO PROPOSED BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE THAT AS LOT EIGHT AND NINE ON THE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE PLAN. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE BUFFERING AND SEPARATION FROM THESE EXISTING ISSUES AND, AND DO NOT ACTUALLY ABUT ANY ACTUAL HOMES. SLIDE 12 REALLY QUICKLY, UH, JUST SHOWS A BETTER VISUALIZATION OF THE LAND PLAN FOR THIS SITE. YOU CAN JUST SEE THE GREEN BUFFER ZONES, LANDSCAPING, THE ROADS AND THE BUILDING. UM, IN THIS SLIDE YOU CAN ALSO SEE A PROPOSED PRELIMINARY RENDERING OF THE BUILDING. UH, THOSE SECOND FLOOR BALCONIES THAT YOU SEE, UM, WILL BE ON EACH UNIT, BUT THEY WILL ALL FACE WALTER STREET. SO WE'VE ENSURED THAT NO BALCONIES ARE LOOKING INTO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. UM, THEY WILL NOT FACE WEST TOWARDS ASH STREET OR ANY OF THOSE HOMES. UM, SLIDE 13 PLEASE. THIS IS OUR LAST SLIDE. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE IS STILL IN FORMAL SUPPORT. UM, THEY SUBMITTED THEIR FORMAL SUPPORT WHEN WE FILED THIS APPLICATION. AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW ON THIS REQUEST, UH, MR. STEVE RSE HAS SINCE RESCINDED HIS OPPOSITION ABOUT THE PLAN AMENDMENT. UM, BASED ON OUR AMENDMENT AT PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK. UM, I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A REQUEST FROM MS. HEISEL, UH, NOT OPPOSED BY RO HILL [03:15:01] WITH GOVERNMENT HILL, UH, TO POSTPONE OR CONTINUE THIS CASE. UM, I THINK POSTPONE MIGHT BE THE WRONG WORD, BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY A CONTINUANCE TO, TO KEEP DISCUSSING. UM, AND WHILE NORMALLY WE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE, UM, THAT TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE WILL FORCE A SEVEN WEEK DELAY ON THE CITY COUNCIL FRONT. UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE SET TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS REQUEST IN A MONTH. UM, SO NOT THURSDAY, NOT IN TWO WEEKS, BUT BUT IN A FULL FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW. UM, AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY, UM, AND SPEND THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS DOING WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST YEAR AND FOR THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, WHICH IS CONSTANT. UM, IN SOME CASES DAILY COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENCES. UM, WE HEARD FROM MS. HEISEL YESTERDAY THAT SHE HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. WE IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED. UM, WE HAVE A MEETING SET UP, UH, TOMORROW EVENING THAT WE'RE, UM, IS A MAKEUP FROM A MEETING THAT WAS RAINED OUT LAST WEEK. BUT WE'VE BEEN MAKING VERY SIGNIFICANT EFFORTS TO BE FULLY ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY. UM, I RECEIVED PHONE CALLS ALMOST DAILY, UM, WITH, WITH EXTRA QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS. UM, WE HAVE MADE SEVERAL ADJUSTMENTS, UH, TO THE PROJECT AND THE PLAN OVER THESE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS AND HAVE REMAINED IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE AND WITH THESE ADJACENT OWNERS AND RESIDENCES. SO WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT OF THE I DZ TWO REQUESTS BEFORE YOU TODAY BASED ON THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO OVER THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS TO ENSURE IT IS IN A GOOD PLACE BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, AND BASED ON THE MERITS OF THE REQUEST THAT THIS IS, UH, MINIMAL DENSITY SUFFICIENTLY PARKED AND LIMITED HEIGHT FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, THIS IS A REALLY QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT'LL BRING SO MUCH LIFE TO THESE VACANT PARCELS ON MALS. AGAIN, WE WILL CONTINUE TO STAY IN CONTACT, CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THIS REQUEST. UM, AND JUST REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR, UH, PROPOSED REZONING TODAY. MYSELF AND MR. GILL ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MS. WEISLER, UH, STAFF. IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE A LIVE CALLER. HER NAME IS ERICA HEISEL. MS. HEISEL, ARE YOU THERE? IF YOU WOULD PLEASE PUSH. YEAH, I WAS. YES, I AM. I STILL MUTED. NO, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW, MA'AM. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US. OKAY, GREAT. GREAT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH, MY NAME IS ERICA HEISEL AND I AM A PROPERTY OWNER AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT. I AM ALSO A DEVELOPER AND I HAVE OWNED THAT LOT SINCE 2016. THE PLAN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, MOSTLY IS GOOD EXCEPT FOR THE DENSITY ISSUE. AND YOU KNOW, THE MAX YOU COULD PUT ON THERE IS 18, PUTTING UP TO 18 ON THERE. THAT TRANSLATES TO 1,667 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT. THERE WOULD BE NO ON-STREET PARKING AND IT'S RIGHT OFF OF WALTERS. SO MY CONCERN IS JUST HOW IT, HOW IT WILL CONFORM TO WHAT'S ALREADY AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT SIDEWALKS ON THAT SECTION OF, OF WHERE, WHERE, WHERE WE ARE AND AN OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT HAD BEEN A UNITED PACIFIC PROPERTY. I KNOW WHEN I TRIED TO BUY UNITED PACIFIC PROPERTY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THERE WAS, THERE WERE LOTS OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS THAT HAD TO BE DONE. I'M NOT SURE I, I I KNOW I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. AND I KNOW THAT THE SITE PLAN ISN'T DELIVERED WHEN IT'S MAILED TO THE OWNERS IN THE AFFECTED AREA. AND I KNOW WHEN I DID TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENT THIS, UH, THIS MORNING THAT SHE HAD ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE SO THAT WE COULD ALL LOOK OVER THOSE DOCUMENTS TOGETHER. AS A DEVELOPER, I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTUNED TO THE DETAILS SUCH AS WHAT I D Z MEANS, WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL SURVEYS ARE, AS WELL AS THE DENSITY ISSUE THAT THIS PROJECT PRESENTS. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT, THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, BAD PER SE. WE WOULD JUST LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET THE DENSITY BACK IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'M REQUESTING THAT IT BE CONTINUED BY COMMISSIONER JONES. THANK YOU MS. HEISEL. UH, IF YOU WOULD STAY ON THE LINE FOR ONE MOMENT WHILE I SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR YOU. COMMERS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM MS. HEISEL? I, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, YES. COULD, COULD YOU RESTATE THAT OR EXPLAIN THAT? WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY DENSITY BACK INTO CONFORMANCE? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS A HUNDRED PERCENT [03:20:01] SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND WHILE I I APPRECIATE THAT THEY LOOK LIKE DUPLEXES. IN REALITY WITH THE PARKING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDING THAT MANY MORE CARS. YOU TAKE 18 UNITS, EVEN IF IT'S A MINIMAL TWO BEDROOM MIX, YOU'RE ADDING THAT MANY MORE CARS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THERE'S ONLY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. SO WE WE'RE GOING FROM 18 TO 36 TO 54 POTENTIALLY CARS, NO ON STREET PARKING. AND THAT DOESN'T CONFORM WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. MY PLAN FOR THE LOT AND I KNOW OTHERS THAT DO HAVE LOTS THERE, WE WERE PLANNING ON STAYING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOTS ARE UNDER 6,000 SQUARE FEET. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'M NOT SURE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, ANYTHING FURTHER? ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE FOR MS. HEISEL? SEEING NONE, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. HEISEL. UM, STAFF, ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR. WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL TO PLAY. GREAT, THANK YOU. YES, THIS IS ROSE HILL. UH, I'M CALLING REGARDING, UH, UH, ZONING NUMBER Z 20 21 1 0 7 0 0 0 8 6. PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 300 BLOCK B STREET IN COLEMAN. I, MY NAME IS ROSE HILL AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT HILL LINES NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION. I'M REQUESTING TODAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM BE POSTPONED DUE TO SOME ISSUES HAVE COME UP WITH, WITH NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR, FOR WEDNESDAY AT SIX 30, UH, TO RESOLVE SOME ISSUES. AND I THINK BEFORE WE GO THROUGH WITH THE ZONING, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN THOUGH THE ASSOCIATION HAS APPROVED THIS PARTICULAR ZONING REQUEST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES, WE FEEL THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND TALK WITH THE NEIGHBORS, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S STILL COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO I THINK THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO RESOLVE. SO PLEASE, I ASK THAT YOU NOT APPROVE THIS TODAY AND THAT WE ASKED FOR A POSTPONEMENT. UM, FOR THE, FOR THE FOLLOWING, UH, ZONING HEARING. I'VE SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT AND, UH, I'M HOPING THAT IF WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS SHOULD BE POSTPONED SO THAT EVERYBODY IS IN, UH, AGREEMENT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ZONING CHANGE. SO I ASK THAT TODAY YOU VOTE, UM, AND DO NOT VOTE ON THIS ITEM AND WE MOVE FORWARD AS A POSTPONEMENT. MY NAME IS ROSE HILL, PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NUMBER 2 1 0 4 2 0 43 20. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, MS. WEISLER, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL. MS. WEISLER, YOU MAY BE MUTED. I CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW. YES, PLEASE. OKAY, THANKS. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, I'LL BE BRIEF. WE HAVE SPOKEN, UH, WITH ROSE AND WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH MS. HEISEL. LIKE I SAID, WE HEARD FROM HER YESTERDAY AND IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED. UM, WE HAVE A MEETING SET TOMORROW EVENING, UM, TO, TO TALK THROUGH, UM, MS. HEEL'S CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY. UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH RESIDENTS AND WITH NEIGHBORS AND WITH OWNERS FOR, UM, OVER TWO MONTHS NOW. UM, AND, AND MR. GILL'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR OVER A YEAR WITH GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE. UM, WE HAVE FOUR WEEKS BETWEEN NOW AND CITY COUNCIL AND WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE ABILITY TO KEEP THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. UM, OTHERWISE A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WILL RESULT IN A SEVEN WEEK CITY COUNCIL DELAY FROM JUNE 17TH TO AUGUST 5TH, UM, WHICH IS JUST EXTREMELY, UH, DETRIMENTAL TO THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT MEETING TOMORROW. WE ARE GOING TO KEEP COMMUNICATING, UH, WITH THESE FOLKS AND, AND ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING, UM, IS RESOLVED AND QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED. UM, WE HAVE DONE SO ALREADY, UH, WHICH WE DID AT BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST WEEK. UM, BUT WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR SUPPORT TODAY, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAINTAIN OUR CITY COUNCIL DATE AT THE END OF NEXT MONTH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. WEISLER. THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE, DR. JONES QUESTIONS? UH, YES. UM, I DID GET, UM, UH, NOTES FROM THE TWO. UH, MY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF, DID GOVERNMENT, UH, GOVERNMENT HELP ORIGINALLY SAY THEY APPROVED THE, UM, THE PROPOSAL, THE, THE VOLUME, THE AUDIO WENT OUT WHEN YOU WERE MAKING YOUR REPORT? SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, [03:25:02] YES, THEY HAD SENT SOMETHING IN WRITING, UH, IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PLAN AMENDMENT. UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE ZONING CASE AS FAR AS WHETHER THEY SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. RIGHT. BECAUSE I GOT ONE THAT SAID THAT THEY WANTED A POSTPONEMENT. I I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT APPROVAL BEFORE. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THE THE PLAN AMENDMENT. THE PLAN AMENDMENT, THEY, THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR, OR SUPPORT. UH, HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT, UH, THE LATEST THAT WE HAVE FROM THEM IS A VOICEMAIL RECEIVED FROM ROSE HILL THIS MORNING REQUESTING A POSTPONEMENT OR A CONTINUANCE. RIGHT. KRISTY, KRISTY, IF I MAY, DR. JONES, UM, GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE SENT AN EMAIL IN SUPPORT WHEN WE FILED THIS APPLICATION LAST MONTH, UM, APPROVING THE, OUR REQUEST TO REZONE. I'M HAPPY TO RESEND THAT TO OUR CASE MANAGER, UM, AS THEY SHOULD HAVE IT ON FILE. BUT, UM, THIS, THIS, THEY RESPONDED, UM, IN SUPPORT WHEN WE FIRST FILED THIS APPLICATION LAST MONTH. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND W WITH THE I IF, IF WE, IF, IF WE DO CONTINUE IT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE DETRIMENT, YOU KNOW, BESIDES, YOU KNOW, JUST THE OBVIOUS DELAY IN GETTING STARTED? I, I THINK THAT QUESTION'S FOR ME, SO, SORRY. UM, AND, AND CHRIS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME, YOU MAY. UM, BUT IT, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR OVER A YEAR AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE WITH SUPPORT BEFORE EVEN FILING THE APPLICATION. UM, AND THEN PRESENTING TO THEM MULTIPLE TIMES AT PUBLIC MEETINGS, UM, AND GETTING THIS PROJECT TEED UP. UM, LIKE I SAID, ROSE, UM, AND THE ALLIANCE ISSUED A FORMAL REPORT, UH, RESPONSE AND SUPPORT WHEN WE INITIALLY FILED THIS APPLICATION LAST MONTH. UM, AND, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON, ON THOSE FOLKS. UM, SO LOSING AN EXTRA SEVEN WEEKS, WHICH IS ALMOST TWO MONTHS, UM, ON THIS PROJECT, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY DELAYS, UH, THE ABILITY TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORWARD, WHICH BY AND LARGE THE COMMUNITY IS SUPPORTIVE OF. UM, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO KEEP ENGAGING AND HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. HEISEL, UM, THAT WE STARTED WHEN SHE REACHED OUT YESTERDAY. BUT, UM, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE MOVING THE PROJECT FORWARD SINCE WE HAVE A FULL MONTH BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU DR. JONES. UM, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING, OH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I ALMOST MISSED YOU. I, UM, JUST A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THESE UNITS ARE SENSOR DUPLEX UNITS. IS, IS THIS, UH, COMPLEX INTENDED TO BE A RENTAL COMPLEX OR THE DUPLEX IS GONNA BE SOLD OUT, UH, BY, I GUESS THE DOUBLE UNITS? WHAT'S THE PLAN? I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, CHRISTOPHER, ARE YOU, UH, THERE? YES, I AM. HEY, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, THE PLAN IS CURRENTLY FOR THIS TO BE A RENTAL COMMUNITY. AGAIN, I THINK, AS EMILY MENTIONED, UH, PRIMARILY TO SERVE INDIVIDUALS STATIONED OR WORKING OUT OF FORT SAM HOUSTON. UM, BUT THE CURRENT PLANS FOR THESE NOT TO BE SOLD, BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE KEPT, UM, TOGETHER AND PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED AS A, AS A RENTAL COMMUNITY WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT RENTAL OPTIONS FOR, UM, INDIVIDUALS ON THE BASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, UH, DR. JONES TO YOU FOR MOTION AND DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT, THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE, UH, TOUGH BECAUSE I, I'M GETTING, UH, YOU KNOW, MIXED MESSAGES AND I, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. I, I DO WANNA RESPECT THE, THE IDEA THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. APPARENTLY THEY HAVE A MEETING SET UP FOR TOMORROW EVENING. EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. SO I, I'M GONNA NEED TO MOVE TO, FOR CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS. ALL RIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE JUNE 1ST ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. UM, IS THERE A SECOND? ? UH, I THINK I HEARD COMMISSIONER ROME. YES. OKAY. UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE JUNE 1ST ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER OAL. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? [03:30:05] UH, YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY I WOULD RESPECT THE CONTINUANCE, BUT I THINK, UM, THERE'S ALREADY GOOD FAITH ON THE TABLE FOR A DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORS. AND SINCE IN LIGHT THAT THEY DON'T, DIDN'T TELL US WHAT IT WAS, AND IT'S LAST MINUTE, I WOULD PREFER IT GO FORWARD AND LET, LET THIS HAPPEN IN PRIVATE MANNER AND LET'S NOT HOLD UP THE PROJECT. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, TO BE FAIR TO THEM, THEY'VE REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY WHO NEEDS TO BE, TO BE REACHED OUT TO, AND THEN LAST MINUTE, REACHING OUT BACK DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS CAN ALL HAPPEN EVEN WITH AN APPROVAL AND THINGS AREN'T SET IN STONE JUST BECAUSE ZONING SAYS, YEAH, WE THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING. UM, AS FAR AS A PROJECT GOES, THEY CAN GO OFF AND WORK ON THOSE THINGS WITH, WITH THE, UM, APPLICANT AND WITH THE CITY COUNCILWOMAN, AND GET IT ALL SQUARED AWAY AND READY FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. SO I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE. I THINK IT CAN GET VOTED ON TODAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE AND THEN COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YEAH, I, I DO NOT LIKE, UM, GOING AGAINST A MOTION FOR, UM, CONTINUANCE, AND I RECOGNIZE THE INCREDIBLY TOUGH SPOT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER JONES WAS, WAS PUT IN HERE, UH, AT, AT, AT THE LAST MINUTE. UM, THAT SAID, I, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS ONE SHOULD BE CONTINUED. UH, I DO THINK IT'S READY TO GO TODAY. UM, I DO THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE, UM, APPROVED AND THERE IS THAT MEETING TOMORROW WHERE HOPEFULLY ANY LAST MINUTE ISSUES CAN GET WORKED OUT. AND, UM, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY COULDN'T, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN, WILL HAVE A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THAT. SO, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T, UH, I'M USUALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF GOING AGAINST A CONTINUANCE, BUT ON THIS ONE, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD RESPECTFULLY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITE. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. UM, I CON COVER THE, UM, THE COMMENTS OF THE, OF, UH, MY TWO FELLOW COLLEAGUES. UM, I USUALLY DON'T, UM, DISAGREE WITH, UH, CONTINUANCE, BUT THEY'VE WORKED ON THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND THE MEETING IS TOMORROW, AND I BELIEVE THERE IS ENOUGH TIME TO WORK THINGS OUT BEFORE, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING. I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE CONTINUANCE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. I'M SORRY I STEPPED ON YOU A LITTLE BIT THERE. UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER COMETH? YEAH, I KIND OF, UH, FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT WE HAVE, UH, HEARD AND DISCUSSED SO MUCH AND THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT TODAY RATHER THAN, UH, GOING FOR A CONTINUANCE. I, I RESPECT THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, MOTION, BUT MY BELIEF IS TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, UH, VOTE ON IT TODAY AND LET THE PARTIES WORK IT OUT. UM, ESPECIALLY ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE NEIGHBOR RAISED WAS, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE. UH, I'M SURE THAT ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, AND IT'LL BE ALL TAKEN CARE BY THE, OUR DEVELOPMENT OFFICE, YOU KNOW, OFFICE. ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT. I WILL, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LAST WORD. UH, WHILE I DO, UH, APPRECIATE AND EMPATHIZE WITH THE POSITION THAT DR. JONES HAS BEEN PUT IN TODAY, UH, I ALSO AM GOING TO OPPOSE THIS MOTION, AND IN PART IT'S BECAUSE OF MY POSITION AS EX-OFFICIO MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO THIS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE BASIS THAT IT INCLUDED MIXED USE. THE APPLICANT CHANGED TO REMOVE THE COMMERCIAL AND ONLY HAVE RESIDENTIAL. AND NOW IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S INSUFFICIENT AND THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ALMOST GO BACK ON WHAT THEY PREVIOUSLY ONE PLANNING TO, TO MAYBE GET SOME MORE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE FAITH THAT, UM, THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL MOVE FORWARD AND WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I, I WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL IN FOUR WEEKS. ALRIGHT. UM, IN LIGHT OF THAT STAFF ROLL CALL VOTE. DR. JONES? YES. [03:35:01] COMMISSIONER MCGEE? NO. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? UH, NO. COMMISSIONER? WE NO. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. CHAIR BUSTAMANTE. NO. MOTION FAILED. ALRIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION FOR CONSIDERATION BY ANYONE WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PREVIOUS MOTION? FIRST, WE NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, SIR. SORRY. I, I SAID OH, I THOUGHT I SAID MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. SORRY. IS THERE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, UM, BY ANYONE WHO VOTED AGAINST THE PREVIOUS MOTION? YEAH. MOTION TO RECONSIDER. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THERE IS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER BY COMMISSIONER WHITE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUEY. UM, DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIN? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE. HI. DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. VICE CHAIR SYP? YES. AND CHAIR ANTE. UH, AYE. MOTION TO RECONSIDER PASSES. RIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION? YEAH. CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE? YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I SO MOVE TO, UH, TO APPROVE. ITEM 20. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE. ITEM 20 BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. SECOND. SECOND. COMMISSIONER KAMATH. ALL RIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 20 BY COMMISSIONER WHITE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KAMATH. UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. SEEING NONE. STAFF ROLL. CALL VOTE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. WE TAKE 23 MORE. COMMISSIONER MCGEE. OH, IN THREE, MR. KA? UH, YES. IT'S 23 PLUS OR SIX MR. THREE TOTAL. DR. DER? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION TO APPROVE. ITEM 20 PASSES. 10 TO ALL RIGHT. UM, ARE YOU READY FOR THE FINAL ITEM? YES. LET'S DO THE FINAL ITEM PLEASE. [21. 21-3538 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700087 (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "R-4 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-2 AHOD" Medium Intensity Infill Development Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for 21 dwelling units on Lot 4, Lot 5 and Lot 7, Block 4, NCB 2231, located at 1016, 1020 and 1028 Morales Street. Staff recommends Denial, with an Alternate Recommendation. (Azadeh Sagheb, Senior Planner, (210) 207-5407, Azadeh.Sagheb@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).] ITEM NUMBER 21 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR A H O D TO IDZ TWO A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR 21 DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 10 16, 10 20, AND 10 28 MORALES STREET. 24 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO RESPONSE FROM GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE EXISTING R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY BASED ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROPOSED I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR 21 DWELLING UNITS IS NOT A SUITABLE DENSITY TO THE AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF I D Z ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR 12 DWELLING UNITS. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE [03:40:01] RECOMMENDATION AGAIN FOR I D Z ONE, LIMITED DENSITY INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR 12 DWELLING UNITS. APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. AND YOU MAY HAVE TO HIT STAR SIX, SIR, TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. MR. WRIGHT, ARE YOU THERE? AND AGAIN, SIR, YOU MAY HAVE TO HIT STAR SIX. HELLO, CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? YES, MR. WRIGHT, WE CAN HEAR YOU OKAY? YES, PLEASE. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. YEAH, MY NAME IS SIMON WRIGHT. THIS IS A, A, A FAMILY PROJECT. UH, WE PURCHASED THE U UNITS WITH THE INTENTION OF THE DEVELOPER ON THE MULTI-FAMILY. AND I'M GONNA GO RIGHT INTO IT ON THE, UH, UH, BY, UH, REASONING FOR, UH, SEVEN UNITS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE MF 33, UH, GUIDANCE THAT I RECEIVED FOR THE, FOR THE MAIN OFFICE. YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT I, THAT I GET USING THE MF 33, UH, FORMULA. AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE FOR THE QUESTIONS ON THAT, UH, I I COULD ANSWER THOSE. UH, THE, THE, THIS, THIS PROJECT, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M PLANNING TO DO IS TO BUILD SEVEN UNITS ON EACH LOT. AND THEY WILL ARE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, YOU KNOW, BUILD ON SITES. THEY'RE NOT, UH, MOBILE ON MANUFACTURER OR, UH, UH, CONTAINER HOMES ARE GONNA BE BE ON SITE. UH, THE ENTRY FROM MORALE STREET AND THE EXIT TO, UH, , UH, ALLEY, THAT'D BE THE ENTRY ON EXIT. AND THAT, THAT GIVES US, YOU KNOW, PLENTY OF ROOM TO BUILD THOSE SEVEN UNITS BASED ON MF 33, UH, CALCULATION. UH, WE, I MAKE CONTACT. THERE IS 27, UH, PROPERTIES AROUND THIS, UH, ON, ON THE 200, ON THE 200 FEET RADIS. UH, WE MADE THE EFFORT TO CONTACT ALL CONTACT ALL OF, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM. THERE IS 11 BUSINESS, UH, PROPERTIES IN THERE. THEY, THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN ON GIVING AN OPINION. AND THERE IS 14 HOMES. MANY OF THOSE HOMES, THEY'RE RENTALS. BUT WHEN THE PERSON THAT WE MAY CONTACT, IF YOU SEE THE LOT, UH, THE LOT ON 10 12, I SPEAK WITH MR. RAPHAEL AIR FRYING PERSONALLY, AND HE, HE HAD NO OBJECTIONS ON THE, ON THE PROJECT. I ALSO REACH OUT TO MI UH, MR. UH, MR. RAPHAEL MARTINEZ OF UNIT 10 24. THAT, THAT'S THE, THE UNIT THAT IS RIGHT BETWEEN, IN BETWEEN THE, THE, THE TWO LOTS OF THE, BETWEEN THE LOTS 10, 20 AND 2028. AND HIS ONLY CONCERN WAS THAT HE WANTED TO KEEP HIS PRIVACY. HE JUST ASKED ME TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE, THE TREES AND, AND, AND HE JUST WANTED TO KEEP THE PRIVACY, BUT HE WAS NOT, HE, HE WAS NOT AGAINST OF, BUT ALSO, UH, HAD THE SUPPORT FOR THE OWNERS ON, ON THE HOUSE OF NUMBER FIVE 19 FOR MR. AND MRS. VALDEZ. THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPERTIES. AND, UH, AND THERE IS ONE AND ONE LOT THAT IS EMPTY. SO, UH, WE MAKE THE EFFORT TO CONTACT MOST OF THE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE ORDERS ARE RUNNING ALSO, UH, I REACH OUT TO MR. DAVIS. MR. DAVIS RAN OUT. HE'S THE OWNER OF THE, OF THE WAREHOUSES, UH, LOCATED ON 1 0 1. HOLD ON. IT'S 1 0 1, 1 20. SHOOT. LET'S SEE, UH, WELL THAT IS THE, OKAY, 1 0 1, 10 23 THERE. UH, YEAH, MR. DAVIS IS THE OWNER OF, OF THOSE, UH, UH, WAREHOUSES. AND WE PERSONALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION ON WHAT HIS CONCERN WAS OF THE, UH, THE INCREASE OF THE, IF I, IT WAS, IF I WAS GOING, IF I'M GOING TO FACILITATE THE INCREASE OF, OF, OF, OF A HOMELESS POPULATION. AND MY ANSWER WAS NOT BECAUSE THIS, MY, OUR PROJECT IS NOT GONNA BE TO SUIT, UH, IS NOT GONNA BE DESIGNED TO SUIT, UH, UH, IF, UH, A LOW INCOME OR, OR, OR, OR TO BE BUILT UNDER THE, THE, THE LOW INCOME PROJECT. THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, UH, AFFORDABLE OR THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE UNDER THE AFFORDABLE INCOME PROJECT, MEANING THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO THE HOMELESS POPULATION OR THE, AND, AND IN THE AREA. THAT'S ONE, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS OF, [03:45:01] UH, OF THE APPROPRIATE ORDERS IN THE, IN, IN THE AREA. AND, UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? I, AND NOT UNDER THE HOUSES ITSELF, I THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF I MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES GONNA BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 665 AND 800 SQUARE FEET. AND, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, BUILD ON SITE AND, AND THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN ENTRY AND EXIT. AND ALSO THEY, THEY'RE GONNA, IT'S GOING TO BE GATED. YOU KNOW, THE FRONT GATE IS FROM MORALE STREET. THEY EXIT FROM, UH, ALLEY. AND ALSO AFTER THIS PROJECT IS BUILT, IT'S GONNA BE HEADED BY THE, UH, MANAGEMENT PROPERTY APPROPRIATE MANAGEMENT THAT ALSO IS GONNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT, UH, POPULATION WILL KEEP WITH THE STANDARDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE, OF THOSE UNITS. AND WE ARE PLANNING TO BLEND NOT TO CONFLICT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, THAT PLAN IS TO, YOU KNOW, UH, HAVE IT BUILT OR HAVE IT DESIGN OF AN ARCHITECTURE THAT, UH, THAT BLEND WITH THE REST OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, AS FAR AS THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, UH, CON, UH, ANYTHING AS TO EXPLAIN, UH, AGAIN, I DID BRIDGE TO, TO MANY OF THE, OF THE HOMEOWNERS. AND THE, THE MAIN THING THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT IF I WAS GOING TO INCREASE THE, THE, THE HOMELESSNESS IN THE AREAS, AND NO, IN THE OPPOSITE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GOING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, YOU KNOW, BRING UP THE STANDARD TO, TO THAT AREA. SO THEY, WELL, MR. AIR FRYING FROM THE RESIDENCE ON 10 12, UH, MR. MARTINEZ WERE RESIDENT 10 24, AND MR. DAVIS RIGHT IN FRONT OF HAVE, UH, MANY, UH, TWO BUILDINGS IN FRONT OF US. THEY, UH, THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT, UH, THEY WERE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH OUR PROJECT AFTER WE PRESENTED TO THEM. AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO, UH, PRESENT TO YOU ON OUR OPEN FORTH FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. WRIGHT, UM, STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. NONE. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE. UM, MR. WRIGHT, THE, UH, THE STAFF INDICATED THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SUPPORT OR THEY DIDN NOT GET A RESPONSE FROM THE GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. DID YOU REACH OUT TO THEM? WELL, I, YES, AND I, AND THAT SURPRISED ME TO ME BECAUSE, UH, I SPOKE WITH MR. MARIELLA GARZA. I, WE HAVE, I DID A PRESENTATION TO HER AND HER HUSBAND. WE MEET AT THE SITE AND THEY WERE, UH, IN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH OR PROJECT. SO I'M, THAT'S, THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE CONFLICTING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MESSAGE THAT I GOT FROM THEM. BUT I, I, I, I SPOKE SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE, WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE HOMEOWNERS GARDENDALE, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AGAIN, THE, UM, MARCELLA GARZA, UH, MR. GARZA. AND WE MET AT THE SITE AND, UM, THEY, THEY'LL, THEY'RE ALL HAPPY WITH THE, WITH, WITH OUR PROJECT SO THAT THERE MIGHT BE A, UH, SOME, SOME KIND OF MISCOMMUNICATION OR MAYBE THEY THANK MR. THANK YOU MR. ZEPEDA. YES, THANK YOU. YES. UM, STAFF, UH, MR. ZEPEDA MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOKED AT MF 33, THAT'S WHERE HE ENDED UP, UH, WITH AN I D Z TWO, UH, FOR 21 UNITS ACROSS THESE THREE LOTS. UH, CAN, WHAT IS THE MATH ON THAT? OH, SIR, ARE YOU ASKING ME OR ARE YOU ASKING YOU YOUR TEAM? NO, THANK YOU. UH, THE, THIS IS CHRISTIE AND THE ANSWER IS 21 UNITS AT AN MF 33. HOWEVER, THE CURRENT ZONING IS R FOUR AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR FOUR UNITS ON EACH LOT INSTEAD OF SEVEN UNITS ON EACH LOT. RIGHT. THE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR FOUR UNITS ACROSS EACH. SO THAT WOULD BE 12 TOTAL. OKAY. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OH, WHITE. DID I SEE COMMISSIONER WHITE RAISING HIS HAND? NO, HE IS INDICATING SOMETHING ELSE, I THINK. UM, OKAY. ACTUALLY, I DO HAVE ONE FURTHER QUESTION. MR. WRIGHT, WHEN DID YOU ACQUIRE THESE? UH, LOTS. [03:50:02] UH, WE ACQUIRED THIS LOT, UH, SOMEWHERE AROUND DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. SO NOT, NOT, NOT LONG, NOT LONG AGO. OKAY. AND ALL OF THESE LOTS ARE, ARE VACANT? ALL LOTS ARE VACANT? YES, SIR. THEY'RE ALL THE SAME SIZE. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. UM, AND HOW LONG, IF YOU KNOW, HAVE THESE LOTS BEEN VACANT? I HAD, I SPOKEN FOR EXAMPLE WITH MR. RAFFA MARTINEZ, THE, THE RESIDENT OF A UNIT 10 24. AND HE SAID HE LIVED THERE SINCE 1968 AND HE'S TELLING ME THAT THOSE LOTS ALWAYS BEEN THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. RPE. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? YES. COMMISSIONER OAL? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, SO, AND I'M READING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND IT MAKES SENSE ABOUT TOO MUCH DENSITY HERE, BUT THEN I LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AND IT'S I TWO AND I FEEL LIKE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO MAKE OF THAT. SO CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THE I TWO ACROSS THE STREET, UM, ARE YOU CONSIDERED THAT IF AT ALL? YES, MA'AM. UH, WE ACTUALLY ANALYZED THIS AREA PRETTY MUCH IN DETAIL. SO IF YOU START UP THERE AT MORALE STREET IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER, UM, ALL OF THOSE I DZS UP THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOR, UM, I D Z WITH USE IS PERMITTED IN C TWO AND R FOUR. UH, BUT THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY AT 10 45 MORALES AND 10 39 MORALES IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND AT 10 37 MORALES AND, AND 10 27 MORALES, IT IS, UH, STORAGE WAREHOUSES WHICH ARE ALLOWED AS PART OF THE ID DSS THAT WERE PRESCRIBED FOR THAT PROPERTY. UM, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS AREA AND BASED ON IF YOU TOOK THE WHOLE ACREAGE 27,399 SQUARE FEET AND DIVIDE THAT BY AN R FOUR, THAT GIVES YOU SIX UNITS. SO A FAIR DENSITY WOULD BE TO ALLOW ABOUT TWO, YOU KNOW, TWO UNITS PER LOT SINCE, WELL, IN THE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE IN ANY R FOUR, IF YOU ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND YOU HAVE A, A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, YOU CAN HAVE THE SECOND UNIT AS A BONUS BONUS UNIT. SO THAT'S OUR LOGIC HERE IS LIKE BASICALLY UNDER THE CURRENT R FOUR, YOU WOULD GET SIX UNITS, BUT WITH THE I D Z YOU, WE COULD ALLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY AND FLEXIBILITY AND ALLOW 12 UNITS. OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT REALLY ANSWERING MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW DID YOU CONSIDER THE I TWO THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET? DOES THAT MAKE YOU THINK THAT SHOULD BE MORE DENSE OR LESS DENSE OR YOU JUST CAN'T COMPARE THE TWO? IT'S WAREHOUSING. WE REALLY, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF OUT OF PLACE, BUT IN CHARACTER BECAUSE THERE'S A, A RAIL LINE THROUGH THERE, UM, WE DO SEE THIS CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, THE I TWO IS GENERALLY NOT FOUND AGAINST RESIDENTIAL. SO, SO THAT'S TRUE. BUT AS FAR AS ALLOWING A BIT MORE DENSITY, WE JUST FEEL THAT BASED ON WHAT'S OVER THERE, THE 12 UNITS IS MORE APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER OTO. UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. AND COMMISSIONER OTO, AS IS FREQUENTLY THE CASE, UM, ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED. AND SO IT'S TO ME FOR A MOTION AND APPROVAL. UM, I HAVE RECEIVED WORD FROM THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S OFFICE THAT IN FACT THE GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. UM, AND SO ANOTHER, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME MISCOMMUNICATION ON THE PART OF SOMEONE SOMEWHERE. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WEIGHS HEAVILY ON MY MIND AS DOES THE FACT THAT THIS IS PRETTY CLEARLY, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CAN BE USED AS TRANSITION. WE SEE THAT I TWO IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH, WE SEE MF 50 I D Z A LITTLE BIT FARTHER TO THE NORTH. UM, AND SO IN LIGHT OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, IN LIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCERNS REGARDING PARKING ON MORALES, BUT THERE IS PARKING PROVIDED. UH, I'M GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 21 AS SUBMITTED. IS THERE A SECOND? I'M SORRY, SIR. MR. MR. NO, NOPE. SORRY. THAT'S, THANK YOU. UM, WE'RE MOVING ON. UH, SO THERE IS A MOTION FOR [03:55:01] APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, HUEY. OKAY. UH, I HAVE MOVED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUEY. UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. SEEING NONE. STAFF ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMI DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? UH, YES. COMMISSIONER, WE A DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. AND CHAIR BUSTAMANTE. UH, MOTION PASSES AS SUBMITTED. 10 TO ZERO. ALL [23. 21-3838 Consideration and approval of the May 4, 2021 Zoning Commission meeting minutes.] RIGHT. UH, WE ARE MOVING ON TO CONSIDERATION OF ITEM NUMBER 23, WHICH IS, UH, THE CONSIDERATION APPROVAL OF OUR MAY 4TH, 2021 ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES. UM, DOES ANY COMMISSIONER HAVE, UH, ANY CORRECTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MS. COMMISSIONER SIPES? MOTION TO APPROVE. THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER S SIPES. MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES. I SUBMITTED WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UH, ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. DR. JONES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMUS? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE. HI, DR. ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. MR. MCDANIEL? YES. VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. AND CHAIR ZAMAN. UH, MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ZERO FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY DIRECTOR'S REPORT OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN TODAY'S MEETING? STAFF? NO, SIR. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. UH, WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK THAT I D Z DISCUSSION TO YOU IN JUNE AT ONE OF THE JUNE MEETING. THANK YOU. ALL THE WORK SESSIONS BEFORE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU TO, UH, COMMISSIONERS FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK, AND I WISH YOU THE BEST WEEK. AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR ATTENTION, CONCENTRATION AND HARD WORK ON THIS COMMISSION. WE ARE ADJOURNED. IT IS 4:57 PM. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.