* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Roll Call] [00:00:11] YES, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 19TH, 2021. YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. FERNANDEZ HERE. FISH HERE. GIBBS? HERE. VELAZQUEZ? HERE. ARLA. ZUMAN ON HERE. UM, ARIOLA IS HERE. HERE. GREAT. UM, CARPENTER? HERE. ROBE HERE. BOWMAN? HERE. ZER HERE. LA HERE. UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. THANK YOU. UH, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN'S [Chairman’s Statement] STATEMENT? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE A CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL CASES ON THE AGENDA, AS WELL AS TO MINIMIZE THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING, APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, ALICE LAUREN TO GO AHEAD AND PUT UP THE PRESERVATION MONTH WEBSITE ONTO THE SCREEN SO THAT YOU CAN ALL SEE. UM, SO AS A REMINDER, MAY IS NATIONAL, UH, PRESERVATION MONTH. UM, WE CELEBRATE IT LOCALLY, UM, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, UM, BY PUTTING TOGETHER SORT OF THE CALENDAR EVENTS. MANY ARE O H P EVENTS, BUT ALSO PARTNER EVENTS AS WELL, UM, WHICH KIND OF CELEBRATE OUR LOCAL HISTORY AND CULTURE, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, O H P OFFICE INITIATIVES. UM, IN PARTICULAR, I WANNA POINT OUT AN UPCOMING EVENT. UM, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, LOAD MORE. UM, THIS IS SA PRESERVATION MONTH.COM. UM, IT'S A FULL LISTING OF ALL THE EVENTS AND LINKS TO MORE INFORMATION. UM, UPCOMING ON, UH, MAY 25TH IS TINY MIGHTY, WHICH IS A WEBINAR, UM, SHOW SHOWCASING A RECENT, UM, INITIATIVE FOR, UM, IDENTIFYING INVENTORYING SHOTGUN HOUSES IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, I BELIEVE THE EFFORT HAS IDENTIFIED OVER 800 SHOTGUN HOUSES HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, AND THERE'LL BE A SHORT FILM, WHICH REALLY, UM, SHOWCASES THE POTENTIAL OF, OF THESE RESOURCES, UM, FOR, UH, PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, AS WELL AS, UH, IMPORTANT KIND OF CULTURAL, UH, HISTORY CONNECTIONS WITH IN OUR, IN OUR ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S MAY 25TH. A REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED AND COMMISSIONERS, WE'D LIKE TO SEND YOU A LINK, UM, AN INVITATION TO REGISTER FOR THAT EVENT, SO THAT'LL BE COMING YOUR WAY. OKAY. UM, MOVING FORWARD TO THE AGENDA, WE'LL PUT THE CASE LIST ON THE SCREEN. UM, LET'S ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN READ. UM, WE HAVE 16 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE'LL BEGIN TODAY [Public Comments] BY READING COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR THOSE ITEMS AS WELL AS LISTENING TO A FEW, UH, LIVE CALLERS. UM, SO FIRST IS ITEM 2, 19 33 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. [00:05:01] UM, THIS COMES FROM DREA GARZA PRESENT AT THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, N P AND A WELCOMES A NEW BUSINESS TO THE COMMUNITY AND APPRECIATES THE RESPECT OF THE CITY'S HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1933 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, A 13,763 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL SPACE IS LOCATED IN THE CORNER OF FUR DRIVE AND ELMENDORF WITH A SMALL AREA FACING FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. THE BUILDING CURRENTLY HAS SIX TENANTS WITH SIGNIFICANT SIGNAGE POSTED ON THE FACADE AND WINDOW OPENING AND WINDOW COVERINGS, EXCUSE ME, AND WINDOW OPENINGS COVERED, ESTIMATED TO EXCEED 100 SQUARE FEET AS STATED IN STAFF'S CASE COMMENTS FOR THE PROPOSED NEW TENANT TO ADD 96 SQUARE FEET MORE, UM, FINDINGS, SEE ALLOWABLE SIGNAGE STAFF FINDS FOR THE PROPOSED PROPOSAL INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. WE WOULD ESPECIALLY REQUEST A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN TO BE DEVELOPED BEFORE A CERTIFICATE OF PROGRAM IS ISSUED TO ENSURE UNIFORMITY AND PREVENT PIECEMEAL SITUATIONS. ANY TEMPORARY SIGN OR SIGNAGE APPLICATION SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED UNTIL A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN IS DEVELOPED AND ON FILE WITH THE CITY. UM, WE HAVE A LIVE CALLER FOR ITEM FOUR. UM, SO STEPHANIE, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE LISA LIND ON THE LINE. YEP. LISA, IF YOU WANNA SHARE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT 3 0 2 MISSION. THANK YOU. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL. WE SUGGEST THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE SKIRTING AND RAILING PRIOR TO RECEIVING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. WE ALSO SUGGEST THAT THE AREA UNDER THE PROPOSED DECK BE GRADED TO ACHIEVE POS POSITIVE DRAINAGE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND DECK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MOVING TO ITEM 6 3 11 THIRD STREET. UM, THIS COMES FROM PATTY ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE FINDING OF THE STORE SIGNIFICANCES FOR THREE 11 THIRD STREET. UM, THE HOUSE OR BUILDING RATHER, UM, MEETS AT LEAST THREE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION AND IS LOCATED IN THE CENTER OF A GROUP OF COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK THAT ARE INTACT. THE STRUCTURE RETAINS MANY ORIGINAL FEATURES SUCH AS BRICK CLADDING UP, STREET FACING ELEVATIONS, AND OTHER DECORATIVE BRICK ELEMENTS. BARREL TILE, PARAPETS AND METAL FIX OR CASEMENT WINDOWS LANDMARK DESIGNATION WILL ALLOW THE OWNER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TAX INCENTIVES AND OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WHILE PRESERVING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THIS LOT. UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT, BELIEVE 3 44. MARY LOUISE. UM, THIS COMES FROM DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO N P N A APPRECIATES RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO IMPROVE THEIR HOMES. WE NOTE THE CASE FOR 3 44. MARY LOUISE, DR. MARY LOUISE DRIVE WAS ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2020 BY O H P WHEN ONLY FRAMING EXISTED. YET THE WORK CONTINUED AND WAS COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE MONTH BEFORE ANY MEETINGS WITH D R C. THE CAPTION ON PHOTO 13 IS INCORRECT. WORK WAS DONE AFTER THE STOPWORK ORDER WAS ISSUED. UM, IT IS OF CONCERN WHEN A CONTRACTOR ADDS A ROOF STRUCTURE WITHOUT PULLING BUILDING PERMITS OR REQUIRES PERMITS FOR REROOFING. AN ENTIRE HOME M P N A REQUESTS THE APPLICATION BE PULLED FROM CONSENT AGENDA AND THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE ADDED. APPEARANCE OF THE GABLE REFERENCES PAGES 12 AND 13. UM, GABLE WOOD SIDINGS SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING AND NOT BE ANCHORED TO THE STONE FACADE. STONE MUST REMAIN AND THE SIDING BE EXTENDED OUT TO THE PORCH POST TO CONCEAL THE AWKWARD CORNER AND SETBACK CREATED. UM, NEXT IS ITEM 11. UM, THAT'S 8 28 NEVADA. THIS COMES FROM PATTI ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO AGREES WITH THE O H B STAFF FINDINGS THAT THE HOUSE AT A 28 NEVADA MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. THIS BLOCK RETAINS THE VAST MAJORITY OF ITS ORIGINAL BUILDINGS, AND THE HOUSE PROVIDES CONTINUITY AND CONTEXT TO ITS HISTORIC SURROUNDINGS. UM, ITEM 12 RELATES TO THE HAY STREET BRIDGE. UM, WE HAVE TWO. THE FIRST COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL SORT DISTRICT. UM, WE DO NOT SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. OUR CONCERNS LIE MAINLY WITH THE WOOD DECK REPLACEMENT. PROPOSED H P FINDINGS C STATE THAT THE DECKING REPLACEMENT IS APPROPRIATE AS THE BRIDGE TO NOT HISTORICALLY FEATURE A WOOD DECK OR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC REGISTRATION FORM DATED JULY 27TH, 2012. SECTION SEVEN, PAGE SIX. THE ORIGINAL DECK WAS WOODEN, BUT HAD BEEN OVERLAID WITH ASPHALT AND OTHER PAVING MATERIALS. PER THE PHOENIX BRIDGE COMPANY ALBUM OF DESIGNS 1885 WOOD DECKING WOULD'VE BEEN THE RECOMMENDED MATERIAL FOR BOTH RAIL AND VEHICULAR ASSEMBLIES. THE CURRENT, UH, TWO BY WOOD DECKING IS IN NEED OF REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT IN PLACES. HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED ONE BY FIVE COMPOSITE DECK IS NOT APPROPRIATE. ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS PARTICIPATING IN THE REPAIR SHOULD ADVOCATE FOR A PROPER DECK REPLACEMENT, WHETHER IT'S TWO BY WOOD OR COMPOSITE DECK, THE MATERIAL MUST BE ABLE TO SPAN ADEQUATELY FOR COMMERCIAL AND PEDESTRIAN LOADS BE DURABLE ENOUGH TO WITHSTAND THE PUBLIC USE. THAT INCLUDES HEAVY TRAFFIC, GRAFFITI PAINT DRILLED HOSE, DRILLED HOLES REQUIRED BY THE PROPOSED GUARDRAIL BASED DETAIL AND OTHER HIGH USE WEAR BY THE PUBLIC. NOTE THAT THE GUARDRAIL DESIGN ASSUMES A TWO BY WOOD PRODUCT. THE PRODUCT SPEC FOR COMPOSITE DECK INCLUDES INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL ARE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AND NOT APPROPRIATE FOR OUR NATIONAL REGISTERED HISTORIC LANDMARK IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THANK YOU. ALSO ON THAT ITEM, UH, [00:10:01] PATTY ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 20 YEARS AGO, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS PLEASED TO PROVIDE A $50,000 MATCHING GRANT TOWARD THE RESTORATION OF THE HAST HISTORY BRIDGE. AS IT IS, AS THIS IS ONE OF THE CITY'S ICONIC LANDMARKS, THE SOCIETY IS CONCERNED ABOUT SOME ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED REPAIR AND RED DECKING OF THE HAST HISTORY BRIDGE BEFORE HE TODAY. CONTRARY TO THE APPLICATION, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE ORIGINAL BRIDGE HAD WOOD DECKING THAT WAS COVERED WITH ASPHALT WHEN IT WAS USED FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. WHILE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAD HAS APPROVED COMPOSITE MATERIAL DECKING FOR HISTORIC BUILDING GRANTS, WE DO NOT GENERALLY APPROVE, GENERALLY APPROVE OF THE FAUX GRAIN FINISH. UH, MOREOVER, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE ONE INCH THICKNESS OF THE COMPOSITE DECKING WILL NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT THE METAL CHANNELS SUPPORTING THE NEW RAILINGS. UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM 14. WE HAVE A LIVE COLLAR AGAIN, LISA LIND. UM, STEPH, ARE YOU THERE WITH LISA? YEAH, I'M HERE. GO AHEAD, LISA. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL. SINGLE WIDTH DRIVEWAYS ARE ONE OF THE DEFINING CHARACTER ELEMENTS IN KING WILLIAM DOUBLE WIDE SIDE YARD PARKING IS RARE. WE WERE UNABLE TO DETERMINE IF THE EXISTING DOUBLE CARPORT ON THE SIDE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE RECEIVED A BUILDING PERMIT. WE RECOMMEND THAT THE WIDENED PORTION OF THE BACK, THE BRICK DRIVEWAY BE REDUCED TO 19 FEET WIDE BY 32 FEET LONG TO ALIGN WITH THE EAST END OF THE COVERED PORCH. WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE CARPORT STRUCTURE BE RELOCATED SO THAT IT'S WEST EDGE ALIGNS WITH THE EAST OF THE COVERED PORCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LISA. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, ITEM 15, UM, 5 1 5 VTI STREET. UM, THIS COMES CONCERN PATTY ZION'S, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 5 1 5 E STREET AND IS WORKING WITH THE TENANT REGARDING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY. OUR, OUR INVESTIGATIONS HAVE SHOWN THAT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE RIVERWALK WAS UNIMPROVED UNTIL THE EIGHT, UNTIL THE 1960S. THE HARDSCAPE FEATURES, INCLUDING STONE AND TILE TERRACES WERE ADDED FROM THE LATE 1960S TO LATE 1990S AND ARE NOT CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF THE 1850S HOME. WHILE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAS APPROVED COMPOSITE MATERIAL DECKING FOR HISTORIC BUILDING GRANTS, WE DO NOT GENERALLY APPROVE THE FAUX GRAIN FINISH. WE FEEL THAT THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL IN THIS CASE IS APPROPRIATE AS THERE ARE NO AREAS OF ORIGINAL OR HISTORIC WOOD DECKING AS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RIVERSIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, COMMISSIONERS, THOSE ARE ALL OF THE COMMENTS WE HAVE FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. UM, AFTER HEARING THOSE, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS [CONSENT AGENDA] WISH TO, UM, PULL ANY ITEMS FOR IN INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? CO CORY? UM, I, I'D LIKE TO PULL 12 AND, AND ON 11 IS THE, UM, OWNER, UM, UH, IN, IN, IN ACCORD WITH THE, UH, APPLICATION FROM THE CITY. THIS IS A, UM, LANDMARK DESIGNATION CASE THAT IS COMING FROM CITY COUNCIL. SO THERE'S A RESOLUTION FROM CITY COUNCIL. UM, CURRENTLY THE OWNER WE KNOW IS NOT IN SUPPORT. UM, AND SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ACTUALLY, JESS, IF YOU CAN CHIME IN. UM, WERE WE ABLE TO, UH, GET THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE FOR TODAY'S HEARING? BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO PULL IT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND PULL IT. UM, AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL DEAL WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ISSUE WHEN WE GET THERE. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO, UH, PULL ITEMS NUMBER TWO AT EIGHT. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, TWO. SO WE PULLED ITEMS 2, 8, 11 AND 12. IF THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, COMMENTS ON THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE REST. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I MOVE FOR APPROVALS FOR ITEMS ONE THREE THROUGH 7 9 10 13 THROUGH 16 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. IS THIS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ? I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ. AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS. AYE. QUEZ? AYE. UH, AREOLA? AYE. ZUBER AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUB? AYE. BOWMAN AYE BETS? AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, SO FIRST WE HAVE ITEM [2. 21-3719 Address/Description: 1933 FREDERICKSBURG RD HDRC Case No.: 2021-181 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Hector Guel/Mikes Electric Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 7] TWO. UM, RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE WITH THE APPLICANT? A AM I HAVE HECTOR GO ON THE LINE. YES. COMMISSIONER, CHAIR. COMMISSIONER QUESTION. YES, ACTUALLY, IT'S A, IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WHAT IS BEING, UH, PROPOSED HERE. I THINK, UH, [00:15:01] THE, UH, THE SUBMISSION IS MUCH IMPROVED, UH, SINCE, UH, THE APPLICANT WENT TO THE D R C AND CAME BACK WITH, UH, WITH THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE TODAY. UH, MY ONLY QUESTION, THOUGH, HAS TO DO WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WE HAD, UH, REQUESTED A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN, UH, FROM THE OWNER ON THIS. AND AS IT'S WRITTEN IN THE WRITEUP, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST, UH, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARY OR, OR ARBITRARY, UH, FOR THE OWNER TO DO. BUT, BUT, UH, REALLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE WERE PRETTY INSISTENT ON NEEDING, UH, PARTICULARLY SINCE THIS STRUCTURE HAS TWO VERY PROMINENT FACADES THAT FACE ONTO FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, UH, DUE TO THE ANGLE IN WHICH IT, IT PRESENTS ITSELF. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS OF WHAT DIALOGUE HAS GONE ON WITH THE OWNER AND, AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT ANSWER THIS OR MAYBE THE STAFF CAN ANSWER THIS. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. AS STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN, UM, IN CONVERSATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT CREATING A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS NO INTEREST IN DOING THAT AT THIS TIME. UM, HECTOR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO. THANK YOU DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU, UH, FOR PERMITTING ME TO LEAVE, UH, ON BOARD HEARING. UM, YES, UH, WE DEFINITELY SPOKE TO THE, TO THE OWNER AND THANK YOU, RACHEL. UM, BY THE WAY, WE DID SPEAK TO THE OWNER AND THE OWNER HAS AT THE MOMENT NO INTEREST TO DO A MASTER VAN SIGN. UH, HE DOES AGREE FOR THE SPECS THAT WE PRESENTED ON Y'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE SMALLER SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WILL BE USED, UH, FOR THE SPECS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US, I GUESS HE HAS NO INTEREST IN FOR NOW, FOR THE MOMENT IN DOING A, A MASTER SIGN PLAN. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I MEAN, COMMISSIONERS, WE AGREE, UM, GENERALLY THIS IS HOW A MULTI-TENANT IS, IS HANDLED, IS THROUGH A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN. IT MAKES THE PROCESS MUCH SIMPLER FOR THE TENANTS COMING FORWARD FOR SIGNAGE REVIEW. UM, HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION FOR INDIVIDUAL TENANT SIGNAGE, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY HOLD IT UNTIL THAT MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN IS PRESENTED. UM, SO WE HAVE WENT AHEAD AND REVIEWED THIS ONE INDIVIDUALLY AND MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO. UM, AND WITHOUT THE MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN IN THE FUTURE, WHAT WE CAN SIMPLY DO IS ENSURE THAT INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS AS THEY COME IN ARE AT LEAST CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUS APPROVALS. SO IN THE FUTURE, COULD THIS OWNER JUST SIMPLY SAY, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DOING A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN IN THE FUTURE? I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, AT SOME POINT WHAT IS THE ENFORCEMENT ON THIS? SO THE MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN WOULD SERVE TO INFORM FUTURE REQUESTS FOR SIGNAGE FROM DIFFERENT TENANTS. AND SO IT WOULDN'T PRECLUDE, YOU KNOW, THIS APPLICATION NOW AND BEING ABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT. BUT THE, THE REASON WE RECOMMEND THEM IS 'CAUSE IT ENSURES SOME LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY ON THE BUILDING. UM, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WITH THE MULTIPLE TENANTS, WE'RE NOT EXCEEDING WHAT IT WOULD NORMALLY BE ALLOWED FOR AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING KIND OF HOLISTICALLY. UM, SO IT IS, IT IS GENERALLY BEST PRACTICE, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T HOLD AN APPLICATION UNTIL THAT IS, THAT IS COMPLETED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER. UH, CO COREY, THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, JUST, JUST IN THE HOPES OF, OF, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, I I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CARPENTER'S CONCERNS, BUT MY FEELING IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL HAVE BASICALLY DONE IS, UH, UH, THE, THE CONCERN THAT WE HAD WAS REALLY TIED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS THAT WERE ON THE TABLE AT THE TIME. AND, AND WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO, TO, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, THE SOLUTION BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MINIMIZED TO JUST AN AREA THAT'S NOT OUTSIDE OF THE PARAMETERS OF A SIGN REQUEST? BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WENT IN A FEW DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. AND I MEAN, ARE DID YOU, DID IT GET PAIRED DOWN TO THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE TO THE SIZE? IT'S BEEN REDUCED, BUT THEN ALSO IT CHANGED THE MATERIALS AND LIGHTING TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. OKAY. OKAY. UH, THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. SO, UH, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES SIR. UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATION AND PARTICULARLY EMPHASIZE THE STIPULATION THAT FOR ANY FUTURE, UH, SIGNAGE APPLICATIONS FROM THIS PROPERTY OWNER OR HIS TENANTS, UH, THAT THE MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN BE, UM, UH, PRODUCED, UH, PRIOR TO APPROVAL, UM, WHETHER HE'S INTERESTED IN DOING IT OR NOT. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. OLA? [00:20:02] AYE. ZU ON? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE. BUTZER? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, LET'S PULL THE CASE LIST BACK UP 'CAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS NEXT. CASE [8. 21-3723 Address/Description: 344 MARY LOUISE HDRC Case No.: 2020-560 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Joe Cano/All Pro Services of Texas Request: Roof modifications City Council Dist.: 7] NUMBER EIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, WE, ARE YOU THERE WITH THE APPLICANT FOR 3 44? MAYOR LOUISE? YES, I HAVE JOE CANNEL THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. YES. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH. CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I WAS THE ONE WHO PULLED THIS. UM, I THINK THE, UH, MONTICELLO, UH, PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, WROTE A VERY, UH, EXCELLENT LETTER AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS I WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT INTO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT, UH, WOOD SIDING, UH, MATERIAL TO MATCH, UH, EXISTING BE UTILIZED AND THAT IT BE ATTACHED TO THE STONE IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT DAMAGE IT. UH, I E PUTTING THOSE FASTENERS INTO THE, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE MORTAR JOINTS RATHER THAN INTO THE STONE UNITS THEMSELVES, SO THAT AT LEAST, UH, THEORETICALLY THIS COULD BE A REVERSIBLE, UH, UH, APPLICATION. AND THAT THEIR SECOND STIPULATION ABOUT HAVING IT IT BE FLUSH, UH, IF YOU WILL. IF WE LOOK AT ITEM, LET'S SEE, IMAGE NUMBER, UH, 13, MAYBE I SHOW IT THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT OFFSET THAT THE, UH, THE SIDING CONTINUE IN A FLUSH PLANE, UH, TO THE PORCH SO THAT THERE'S NOT THE, THE STEPPING OFFSET BECAUSE I THINK THAT ACTUALLY ACCENTUATES THE FACT THAT THIS IS AN ADDITION AND NOT A VERY SYMPATHETIC ONE AT THAT. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE ADDITIONAL TWO STIPULATIONS THAT THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESENTED IN THEIR LETTER. I'LL SECOND THAT. VESQUEZ, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. YES, MA'AM. FOR STAFF. WAS THERE WORK DONE AFTER WE HAD PUT A STOP WORK ORDER? 'CAUSE I MEAN WE ALSO HAD TWO DRCS ON THIS CASE. YES. BY THE TIME THE SECOND D R C CAME AROUND, THE, THE WORK THAT YOU SEE ON PAGE 13 WAS THE, THE MOST UPTODATE. SO AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THERE HASN'T BEEN A CEILING ADDED AND THE BEAMS UNDERNEATH ARE STILL EXPOSED AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A ADDITIONAL RECRE CLADDING TO COVER UP THE GABLE. SO, UH, THE ARCHELLO PARK LETTER WAS, UH, MOSTLY CORRECT THAT THERE WAS TWO PHASES BETWEEN WORK BEING DONE, BUT, UH, SINCE JANUARY 14TH THERE HAS BEEN GENERAL COOPERATION MOVING FORWARD. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. ERON? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUBE? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE. THATER? AYE. LIFO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, UP [11. 21-3794 Address/Description: 828 NEVADA HDRC Case No.: 2021-208 Applicant: Office of Historic Preservation Request: Recommendation for historic landmark designation City Council Dist.: 2] NEXT IS ITEM 11 8 28 NEVADA. UM, I BEGAN TO MENTION EARLIER, I BELIEVE THE OWNER WHO WE USUALLY CONTACT ON THESE CASES AND HAVE THEM PARTICIPATE AT THE MEETING HAD A, UM, CONFLICT COME UP AND ARE NOT ABLE TO JOIN US. AND SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A CONTINUANCE FOR THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME. UM, MR. CHAIR, I, I HAD AN OLD CO CO CORY, I WAS READING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPLICATION AND, UH, DID, DIDN'T, DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT PART. AND THANKS FOR CLARIFYING IT. SO, SO THIS IS, UH, TAKEN OFF OF CONSENT AGENDA THEN AS A CONTINUANCE? OR IS THE CONTINUANCE THE, UH, REASON IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING TO SAY IT WAS A CONTINUANCE, SO IT WAS PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SO IT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED AND ACTED UPON NOW. UM, WE ARE, WE JUST TRIED ONE LAST TIME TO REACH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO JOIN US AND SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING A CONTINUANCE FOR THAT REASON. OKAY. WELL THEN, MR. CHAIR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'LL MAKE A CONTINUE. I, I MAKE MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE FOR ITEM 11 8 2 8 NEVADA. MR. CHAIR, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR A CONTINUANCE. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. ZOOMER ON? [00:25:01] AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUBE? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE BETS, SIR? AYE, LAO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, [12. 21-3736 Address/Description: Hays Street Bridge HDRC Case No.: 2021-231 Public Property: Hays Street Bridge Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Anthony Chukwudolue/City of San Antonio, PWD Request: Repair, decking replacement, bracing stabilization City Council Dist.: 2] NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 12. UM, THE HAY STREET BRIDGE. UM, FOR THIS, UH, ANOTHER CITY DEPARTMENT PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT, AND SO WE HAVE PUBLIC WORK STAFF ON THE CALL, UM, WITH, UM, SOME BRIEF INFORMATION THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE ABOUT THE PROJECT OR THEY CAN SIMPLY RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS, UM, OR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, SO, SO COMMISSIONER, OR ACTUALLY, WHO DO WE HAVE FROM PUBLIC WORKS? WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE THE REPRESENTATIVE? HELLO, THIS IS FRANK CORTA, THE OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR STREET DEPARTMENT. UM, I'M ONE OF THE PMS. I'M HERE WITH HAROLD UNCLE TRUMBLE. HE'S ALSO A PM FOR THIS PROJECT. HELLO. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, YOU HAD QUESTIONS? YEAH. YES, I, I, UM, I WANTED TO PULL IT BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS OPPOSITION RIGHT TO, TO THE MATERIAL, UH, EXCHANGE. NOW I'M ASSUMING THAT, UM, THE CITY'S DONE ITS HOMEWORK IN TERMS OF, OF FINDING A, A MATERIAL THAT'S SUSTAINABLE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS JUST AN ASSUMPTION, BUT IT'S A QUESTION THAT I'D LIKE TO POSE AS WELL, IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF LUMBER IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE QUALITY OF LUMBER AT THE TIME THAT THE HAY STREET BRIDGE WAS CONSTRUCTED. SO I WOULD IMAGINE FINDING SPECIMENS OF, OF, UH, STRUCTURAL LUMBER ARE, UH, JUST, JUST NOT AS AVAILABLE AS THEY WERE ONCE. UH, OF COURSE THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN ADVANCEMENTS IN MATERIALS THAT DON'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE AESTHETIC AND DON'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF A, OF A, OF A, OF AN OBJECT THAT IS, UH, INTENDED FOR HIGH IMPACT AND, UH, LIVE AND DEAD LOADS. UH, COULD, COULD, UH, THE CITY, UH, UH, PLEASE, UH, GIVE US INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO THE WISDOM, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT YOU USED, UH, TO, UH, COME UP WITH MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE EXCHANGED? UH, WELL, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. UH, ORIGINALLY WE, WE WERE ALERTED TO THE, UH, RAILING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS THE BREWERY SIDE. IT WAS LEANING, THE WOOD THAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW, UH, BECAME WARPED. UH, IT'S, IT'S, UM, WEATHERED A LITTLE FASTER WITH ALL THE DAILY PRESSURE WASHING THAT REMOVES THE GRAFFITI. SO IT'S AGING AT A FASTER RATE. UH, WE REMOVE EVERY BOARD ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS. WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT, UH, $30,000 EVERY TWO YEARS IN MAINTENANCE. UH, EVERY BOARD THERE IS PRETTY MUCH REMOVED, UH, WITHIN THE TWO YEAR PERIOD. SO WE WENT OUT AND WE RECOMMENDED TO, UH, REDECORATE WITH A COMPOSITE WOOD. IT IS THE EXACT SAME DIMENSIONS THAT IS THERE NOW. IT'S A TWO BY SIX BY 10. AND, UH, IT IS NOT A FAUX, IT'S NOT A PRINT. IT'S ACTUALLY GOT, IT'S A THREE DIMENSIONAL, SO IT FEELS, AND IT LOOKS EXACTLY FOR LIKE WHAT IT IS THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST A COMPOSITE WOOD THAT'S, UH, MORE FRIENDLY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PRESSURE WASH IT. AND, UH, THE LONGEVITY OF IT WILL LAST A SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER AND IT WILL HELP US SECURE THE RAILING TO A MORE SECURED STRUCTURE. UH, IS THE, THE MATERIAL, UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT TYPE OF COMPOSITE IT IS? DOES IT UTILIZE WOOD FIBERS? IS IT, IS IT, UH, PLASTIC? YEAH, THERE IS, THERE IS WOOD FIBERS. I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP THE SPEC SHEET. UM, LEMME SEE IF WE CAN, WE CAN FIND IT FOR YOU. YEAH, WE'LL PULL UP THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE PUBLISHED ONLINE AS WELL. WELL, IS IT A MATERIAL THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, REDUCING, YOU KNOW, THE BRIDGES, CARBON FOOTPRINT, UH, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, ARE IMPORTANT TO NOT JUST USING A MATERIAL RIGHT, BUT USING A MATERIAL THAT ACTUALLY BENEFITS US IN SOME WAY? UH, I, I BELIEVE YES, SIR. UH, UH, WE'RE PULLING UP THE SPEC SHEETS RIGHT NOW. WE, WE CAN TALK MORE TO IT AS SOON AS, UH, UH, MY PM HOLDS THAT UP. BUT IT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. IT DOES HAVE WOOD GRAINS. IT DOES HAVE, UH, SOME WOOD FIBERS IN THERE. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PROPOSED DECKING MATCH THE DIMENSIONS OF THE WOOD THAT'S ON THERE. THAT THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. IT'S A TWO INCH BY SIX INCH BY 10. OKAY. LOOKING AT THE PRODUCT DATA, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONE INCH THICK MATERIAL. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS NOT CORRECT, SIR. WHAT THAT IS, WHAT THAT, UH, IS REFERRING TO IS, UH, WHERE IT'S GONNA BE PLACED, BUT IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL WOOD. SO THE TRAX DECKING IS TWO INCHES THICK, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. [00:30:06] MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I THINK I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. SO I, I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERN EXPRESSED, UH, BY SOME OF THE COMMENTS WAS, WAS ABOUT ITS ABILITY TO SPAN IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE, THE, THE WOOD IS SPANNING NOW. UM, IF IT'S TWO, TWO INCHES THICK RATHER THAN ONE INCH THICK, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE IN TERMS OF ITS, UH, SPANNING CAPABILITY. UH, BUT HAVE Y'ALL COMPARED THE, THE SPANNING STRENGTH AND, AND MADE SURE THAT IT IS THE EQUAL OR BETTER THAN THE NATURAL WOOD FROM, FROM THE SPREADSHEETS THAT WE GOT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A, A BETTER, A BETTER, UH, PRODUCT THAN, THAN WOOD IN TERMS OF STRENGTH. IN IN TERMS OF STRENGTH, CORRECT. OKAY. AND I HAVE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THE WOOD, THE, THE WOOD FAUX FINISH, WHICH IS KIND OF A RAISED, UH, TEXTURE. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND THAT IT, IT NOT HAVE A, A FAUX WOOD, UH, FINISH. AND WE USE THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, UH, COMPOSITE SIDING AND OTHER THINGS AS WELL. UH, BUT I KNOW THESE COMPOSITE MATERIALS HAVE A, A DIFFERENT SLIP RESISTANCE AND SOME SORT OF TEXTURE THERE, UH, IS NEEDED FOR, FOR SAFETY. A NUMBER OF PROJECTS WE HAVE APPROVED, UH, THE WOOD GRAIN, UH, FOR, FOR KIND OF THAT REASON. I KNOW IT'S PRETTY SUBTLE, UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T OBJECT TO THE FAUX WOOD ELEMENT HERE. AND THAT'S IT, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THIS IS A, A QUESTION FOR THE, UM, UM, MAYBE JUST , WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE SAFE TO THIS WOULD BE THE SAFER OPTION, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, I GUESS LESS, LESS WARPING WOULD, LESS POTENTIAL FOR FOLKS TO TRIPLE FOR THAT THING? IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. THIS IS A SAFER OPTION. IF, UH, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE POWERPOINT. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON, ON SLIDE SLIDE THREE, UM, THESE, THESE HOLES IS WHAT WE FIND. AND NONE OF, NONE OF THESE ARE EVER CALLED IN BY RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE, UM, PA YOU KNOW, PASSING BY. THESE ARE CALLED IN BY ACTUAL MAINTENANCE CREWS THAT GO OUT THERE AND FIND THEM. UM, THE WOOD ROTS AND IT, AND IT LEAVES OUT NAILS, IT CAUSES A BIG HAZARD. WITH THIS COMPOSITE WOOD, THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFY , MR. CHAIR. IF YES SIR, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS, THEN I'D LIKE TO, TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE, UM, AS, UH, STIPULATED BY, BY, UH, STAFF AT O H P OR, OR AS AS, UH, UH, AS IT WAS PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. I'LL SECOND. CAN WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TWO INCH COMPOSITE DECKING BECAUSE THE APPLICATION SAYS ONE INCH. CAN STAFF CLARIFY? YEAH, GO AHEAD. UM, HARRY, WERE YOU SAYING SOMETHING? WELL, I MEAN THE O H P STAFF? YEAH, I MEAN, I, IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, I BELIEVE WE WERE JUST TRYING TO DESCRIBE THE MATERIAL AND SO I DON'T THINK IN, IN THE PACKET WE HAD, I THINK IT WAS DESCRIBED AS ONE INCH. IF PUBLIC WORKS IS SAYING NOW IT'S TWO INCHES, THEN I THEN THE MOTION COULD BE AS PRESENTED TODAY. UM, OR THE STIPULATION COULD BE ADDED FOR TWO INCHES. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S AGREEABLE. OH, OKAY. LET, LET ME SAY AS PRESENTED TODAY, THAT WAY, THAT WAY WE'RE TIED TO THE SPECIFICATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. ZUMA AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUBE AYE. BOWMAN? AYE. FETZER AYE. UNE AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. UM, THAT BRINGS US TO OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. ALRIGHT, I LOST TRACK. UM, THAT [17. 21-3715 Address/Description: 1901 N NEW BRAUNFELS AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-195 Historic District Name: Government Hill Applicant: Kent Niemann/GOVERNMENT HILL SQUARE PROPERTIES LP Request: New building tile installation City Council Dist.: 2] ITEM 17 IS FIRST, UM, EDWARD, ARE [00:35:01] YOU THERE WITH THAT APPLICANT? YES. YES. SO ITEM NUMBER 17, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 1 95 19 0 1 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL NEW WACO TILE AT 1901 NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS IN LOCATIONS WHERE THE HISTORIC TILES STILL EXIST. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO INSTALL THE NEW TILE ON TOP OF THE EXISTING TO PRESERVE THE EXISTING IN PLACE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF NEW TILE WHERE THE TILE CURRENTLY DOES NOT EXIST OR WHERE NON-ORIGINAL TILE IS LOCATED. HOWEVER, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF NEW TILE ON TOP OF EXISTING ORIGINAL TILE. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, PAM CARPENTER ON THE LINE NOW. UM, THERE WAS ALSO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SITE VISIT LAST TUESDAY WHERE THIS CASE WAS REVIEWED. AND THEN QUICKLY THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS RECUSED AND, UM, IS NOT PRESIDENT FOR THE PRESENT FOR THE DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, COREY. I'LL ABBREVIATE WHERE WE LEFT OFF FROM THE MAY 5TH HEARING, UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WEREN'T PRESENT AND JUST TO REFRESH, BASICALLY AFTER 110 YEARS OF, UM, ENTRY DOOR AND ARMY POST ENTRANCE TRAFFIC USE, THE TILE BELOW THE STOREFRONT WINDOWS HAS BEEN SCRUFFED UP AND IS WELL WORN IN APPEARANCE. UM, PARTICULARLY IN CERTAIN AREAS, IT SUFFERS AN APPEAL FROM GROUND LEVEL IMPACT WEATHERING AND DELIBERATE VANDALISM. UM, THE CONDITION, THE COMMISSION VISITED THE SITE TO SEE THE HODGEPODGE OF CRACKED TILE PAINTED PANELS, MISSING UNITS AND AREAS OF INAPPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT MATERIALS, BUT DON'T MATCH THE HISTORIC TILE. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A STUCCO SCORING TECHNIQUE THAT WAS UTILIZED TO, UM, MIMIC THE TILE. AND, UM, THIS IS PREVALENT AT THE, AT THE NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS STREET FACE. AND THEN THERE'S DETERIORATION AT THE CORNER ENTRY WHERE CARSON AND NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS INTERSECT. THE CURRENT OWNER ATTEMPTED TO TEST CLEANING AND JUST REVEALED MORE DAMAGED AREAS AND GLAZED FINISH, UM, PATINA ISSUES. AND SO, UM, AFTER LOOKING AT THAT, THE TREATMENT WAS PROPOSED TO RETAIN THE TILE IN PLACE AND GO OVER IT WITH THE REPLACEMENT TILE. VERY SIMILAR IN SIZE, COLOR, TEXTURE TO THE ORIGINAL. UM, AND, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, AND WE WENT OUT TO VISIT WITH THE D R C, UM, TO REVIEW THIS AND, UM, AND IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THE CARSON TILE, THE TILE, UH, RETAINED AND REHABBED AND CLEANED AND LEFT IN PLACE. AND THE, TO REPAIR THE CHAMFORD ENTRY AT THE CORNER, NEW BRAUNFELS USING THE TILES FROM THE NORTH END, A NEW BRAUNFELS, UM, THE, THE FURTHER MOST BAY CLOSEST TO POST AND TO REPLACE ALL OF THE TILE TREATMENT, SIMILAR SIZE, COLOR. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TO THE DEGREE POSSIBLE, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THE NEW TILE ON NORTH FEL AND, UM, USE THE LAST TWO BAYS TO REBUILD AND RESTORE THE ENTRY IF POSSIBLE. IF IT'S, WE'LL MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO SALVAGE THE TILE FOR THE ENTRY WORK. UM, AND IF NOT, WE'LL FORMULATE AN ALTERNATE PLAN FOR REVIEW WITH STAFF FOR APPROVAL. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, AND I WOULD JUST CONCUR FROM, UH, LIKE A REPORT OUT FROM THE D R C, WE ACTUALLY SPENT QUITE A, QUITE A GOOD DEAL OF TIME, UH, EXPLORING, UH, POSSIBILITIES FOR MAXIMIZING THE PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL. AND I THINK, UH, UH, MS. CARPENTER DESCRIBED, UH, A A COMPROMISE OF SORTS FROM THE LAST TIME THIS WAS, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, IN, IN SESSION. SO, UM, I CAN, I CAN FORMULATE, UH, I CAN WORK ATTEMPT TO FORMULATE, UH, A MOTION IF THERE AREN'T ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. WELL, THIS IS COMMISSIONER UNE. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. UH, WHERE THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED A NEW TILE ON TOP OF EXISTING TILE THAT WILL INCREASE THE DEPTH OF THAT TILE, AND I WONDER HOW THAT WILL, UH, INTERFACE WITH THE SURROUNDING MATERIAL, THE SURROUNDING, UH, WINDOWS, DOORS, ET CETERA. AND, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN EVEN ANSWER THIS BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S, UH, SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE, WHAT WE, UH, DETERMINED WAS THE BEST CASE FORWARD IN THE D R C, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL DEPTH, BUT ALSO, UH, THE REPAIR OF THE [00:40:01] ENTRYWAY, UM, AT CARSON AND THE CARSON SIDE REQUIRES THAT THE REMOVAL AND SALVAGE OF, UM, A PERCENTAGE OF THE TILE THEREFORE COVERING COVERING OVER THE OLD TILE DIDN'T NO LONGER SEEMED APPROPRIATE. RIGHT? YES, I WAS THERE AT THAT D R C AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH YOUR, UH, ASSESSMENT. SO, COMMISSIONER FISH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ATTEMPT ? YES. THANK YOU. SO I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UM, OF THE, UH, REPAIR OF HISTORIC TILE ALONG CARSON AND ALONG THE CHAMFORD ENTRY, UH, UTILIZING SALVAGED HISTORIC TILE ALONG NORTH NEW BRONZES AND TO APPROVE A NEW TILE REPLACEMENT SIMILAR IN SCALE AND COLOR ALONG NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS. THIS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I, I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO THANK THE, THE D R C FOR GOING OUT AND VERIFYING THIS IS NOT THE BIGGEST OF OF PROJECTS AS, AS QUITE A, A, A SMALL LITTLE DETAIL. BUT, UM, HAVING PARTICIPATED IN THESE DRCS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT, UH, I, UH, I CAN TELL YOU I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. FERNANDEZ AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. ZOOMER ON AYE. CARPENTER IS RECUSED ROBE AYE. BOWMAN AYE. BETTS AYE. LIFO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER CAN REJOIN US BY TURNING ON HIS, UH, CAMERA, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 18. WE'LL GIVE EDWARD JUST A MOMENT TO CONNECT WITH THE APPLICANT. AGENDA [18. 21-3834 Address/Description: 334 BURLESON ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-026 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: cesar sosa/5 ELEMENTS INTERNATIONAL LLC Request: Construction of two, 2-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2] ITEM NUMBER 18, H D R C. CASE NUMBER 22 1 0 2 6 3 3 4 BURLESON, AS WELL AS THE UNADDRESSED LOT TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH OF 3 3 4 BURLESON ON NORTH MESQUITE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A TWO AND A HALF STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 3 34 BURLESON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIG WOODY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND TWO, TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH OF 3 34 BURLESON THIS LOT IS CURRENTLY UNADDRESSED AND FACES NORTH MESQUITE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION AT 3 34 BURLESON BASED ON FINDINGS ONE A THROUGH ONE N. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASE THE PROPOSED SETBACKS TO BE GREATER THAN THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON BUR BOTH BURLESON AND NORTH MESQUITE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE PROPOSED MASSING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. THREE. THAT THE APP APPLICANT INCORPORATE BOTH ENTRANCE MASSING AND ARCHITECTURAL ENTRANCE ELEMENTS, OR THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE FOUNDATION AND FLOOR HEIGHTS. THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, BOB, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE ROOT FORMS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. SIX. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. SEVEN. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE MATERIALS AND WINDOW MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. WOOD OR ALUMINUM PLAID WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN FINDING ONE EYE AND THEN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND SEVEN, THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET. THAT THE CONTINUOUS CONCRETE, THAT CONTINUOUS CONCRETE SIDEWALK TO BE INSTALLED. THEN A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN TO SUBMIT IT. NOTING LANDSCAPING MATERIALS IN THE LOCATION OF SCREENING AND SCREEN MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE LINE TO THE SOUTH OF 3 34 BURLESON BASED ON FINDINGS TWO A THROUGH TWO N. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASE THE PROPOSED SETBACK TO BE GREATER THAN THOSE HISTORICALLY ON NORTH MESQUITE. TWO, THE APPLICANT REDUCE THE PROPOSED MASS AND TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. THREE. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE BOTH ENTRANCE, MASSING AND ARCHITECTURAL ENTRANCE ELEMENTS. FOUR. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE FOUNDATION AND FOUR HEIGHTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. FIVE. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE [00:45:01] ROOF FORMS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. SIX. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. SEVEN. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE MATERIALS AND WINDOW MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLY WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE INSTALLED AS NOTED IN THE FINDINGS AND THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. AND EIGHT, THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET. THAT CONTINUOUS CONCRETE SIDEWALKS BE INSTALLED TO CONNECT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AT NORTH MESQUITE. AND THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN IS SUBMITTED, NOTING LANDSCAPING MATERIALS AND THE LOCATION OF SCREEN MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. THERE'S ALSO TWO CASE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO A FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION AND A STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF INSPECTION. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, MR. CAESAR SOSA ON THE LINE NOW MR. SOSA, ARE YOU THERE? I AM. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, THE FIRST ITEM THAT, THAT I WANNA DISCUSS OR MOVE FORWARD, GET THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD IS A SETBACK ON ESON. THE, THE MEDIAN SETBACK FOR ESON IS, UH, 20 21 3. UH, MY PROPOSED STRUCTURE WAS TO START FOUR FEET, SIX INCHES FROM THE SETBACK. UH, I, I'D LIKE TO REVIEW THAT AND SEE WHY WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SETBACK. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I CAN GIVE A, A BRIEF REPORT OUT FROM THE, FROM THE D R C. UH, I BELIEVE, UH, IT WAS MYSELF AND MONICA SAVINO AT THE D R C AND I CAN, I CAN, UH, UH, CLEARLY STATE, I THINK WE SPENT MOST OF THE HALF HOUR DISCUSSING, UH, THE SETBACK, UH, INCLUDING THE RELOCATION, THE DRIVE THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, UH, FROM MESQUITE TO BURLESON AS ONE POSSIBILITY TO ALLOW THAT TO SHIFT TO THE REAR. UH, BUT I DON'T THINK THE D R C UH, COULD, COULD GET PAST THE PROPOSED SETBACK IN TERMS OF POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS. SO THERE ARE ANY D R C RELATED QUESTIONS I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. OKAY. MR. CHAIR? I, I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE IT'S FOR THE D R C, BUT, BUT MOST DEFINITELY SOME COMBINATION OF STAFF IN THE D R C. UM, THERE, THERE, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SETBACK. I'M TALKING ABOUT SETBACK. UH, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A, UM, AN ISSUE OF, UM, KIND OF CREATIVE DISCRETION, UH, OR, OR DISCRETION THAT ENABLES US TO BE CREATIVE. THE, THE OVERLYING THE, THE OVERARCHING LINES OF THE SETBACKS WILL OBVIOUSLY BE HISTORIC, UH, IS A SETBACK THAT'S FURTHER TO THE FRONT. NOW, THE CONDITION THAT IT CREATES, OF COURSE, ARE THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE NEIGHBORING, UH, DON'T HAVE THE, I GUESS IT'S, IT'S NOT THE LUXURY, IT'S THE RIGHT TO OPEN UP THEIR DOOR AND LOOK DOWN THE STREET. RIGHT? WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THAT, UH, SETBACKS TO THE LARGEST CENTERS ARE BASED ON. NOW, THE TWO HOUSES THAT EXIST, UH, TO THE LEFT OF, OF THE HOUSE ON THE SCREEN MEANS THAT THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE THAT RIGHT CURRENTLY EITHER BECAUSE THAT HOUSE CAN'T LOOK OVER ITS, UH, ITS LEFT SHOULDER AND, AND SEE BECAUSE ITS VISION BANGS INTO THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT. AND THEN THAT HOUSE CAN'T LOOK OVER ITS LEFT SHOULDER EITHER AND SEE DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE IT BANGS INTO THE OTHER HOUSE. WHICH MEANS THAT TO ME THAT THERE'S, THAT THERE'S A, A, A SITUATION OF RIGHTS THAT EXISTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE CHALLENGABLE, RIGHT? SO I I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT, LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE IN THE, IN THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT? THAT, THAT THERE'S A CHALLENGE IRRESPECTIVE OF, OF, OF, UH, OF THE DISCRETION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. UH, ONE OF, UH, WHO HAS A GREATER RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, IS THE PRECEDENT SET BY THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE FOR FURTHER LINE, OR IS IT SET BY THE, UH, THE FACT THAT IT, IT IT DESCENDS AS WE GET TO THE CORNER, WHICH ALSO, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE DISCRETION MAKES AN ARGUMENT FOR HOW THE ARC PROVIDES ALL OF THEM THE ABILITY TO SEE IN A CURVED MANNER, RIGHT? AND HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF GRADUAL EXPERIENCE AS THEY LOOK DOWN THE STREET. BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT, THAT THOSE TWO HOUSES DON'T MAKE A RULE. AND I, AND I WONDER WITH, WITH STAFF, UH, WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE MOST CHALLENGING ELEMENT? AND I MEAN THAT WITH RESPECT TO SAY A COURT OR SAY THAT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, UH, THAT CORNER HOUSE'S RIGHT TO BE AT THE SETBACK LINE OR WHAT IS IMPOSED BY THE TWO HOUSES THAT FALL BELOW THE SETBACK LINE. UH, WELL, COMMISSIONER, IF I COULD, UM, I WOULD READ FINDINGS ONE A AND ONE B, UH, BRIEFLY REAL QUICK. [00:50:01] OKAY. UH, I BELIEVE THAT ADDRESSES, UH, SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. UH, SO FINDING ONE A, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A SETBACK OF 20 FEET, WHICH IS LESS THAN THAT OF THE TWO ADJACENT ONE STORY STRUCTURES FOUND ON THIS BLOCK OF BURLESON. WHILE THE PROPOSED SETBACK IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE STRUCTURES FOUND ON THIS BLOCK, STAFF DOES NOT FIND THE PROPOSED SETBACK TO BE APPROPRIATE AS IT WILL WILL RESULT IN A TWO STORY STRUCTURE FEATURING A SETBACK THAT IS SIGN SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE, THE ADJACENT ONE STORY STRUCTURE SETBACK FINDING ONE B IN REGARDS TO SCALE AND MASS PER THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. A HEIGHTENED MASSING SIMILAR TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE USED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. THE HEIGHTENED SCALE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT EXCEED THAT OF THE MAJORITY OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS BY MORE THAN, MORE THAN ONE STORY IS NOTED IN FINDING B, THAT THIS BLOCK OF BURLESON FEATURES ALL ONE STORY STRUCTURES. STAFF DOES NOT FIND THE PROPOSED HEIGHT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. UH, THIS STRUCTURE IS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE WITH OCCUPIABLE ATTIC SPACE, UH, THAT INCREASES THE HEIGHT, UM, OFTENTIMES WITH A TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON A BLOCK THAT FEATURES PRIMARILY ONE STORY STRUCTURES AND INCREASED SETBACK. THE SETBACK THAT'S GREATER THAN THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES, UH, MAY LEND THAT MASSING TO BE APPROPRIATE AS IT'S FURTHER FROM THE STREET AND ALLOWS THE HISTORIC PREDOMINANT ONE STORY MASSING, UH, TO BE FULLY SEEN AND AND REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BLOCK. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH? YES, SIR. UM, I THINK THE ELEVATION THAT WE SEE, UH, THERE, NUM LABELED, UH, NUMBER TWO, EAST ELEVATION KIND OF, UH, ILLUSTRATES THE, THE POINT THAT EDWARD WAS, WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE ACTUALLY LOOK ON THE SITE PLAN, UH, THE FRONT EDGE OF THE BUILDING, I BELIEVE IS, IS ACTUALLY DRAWN AT THE TOP OF THOSE STEPS FROM ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE EAST ELEVATION. SO THE STRUCTURE, THE FACE OF THE STRUCTURE IS EXTENDED, UH, 14 FOOT, 14 FEET, SIX INCHES IN FRONT OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC HOUSE. UM, NO TO THE INCREASED MASS. IT'S 14 FEET, SIX INCHES IN FRONT OF THE ADJACENT HOUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S INCORRECT. IT, IT'D BE 10 FEET. I, I, I MOVED THE STRUCTURE BACK. THIS IS AN I D Z, I HAVE THE CLIENT HERE WITH ME. WHAT IF WE CAN FIND A MEDIAN, UH, HE'S WILLING TO REMOVE THE PARKING IN THE REAR AND MOVE THE STRUCTURE BACK. IF WE CAN PUT THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING TOWARDS BURLESON, HE'S WILLING TO DO THAT. LET, LEMME ASK YOU, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION AND, AND IT WOULD BE FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT ALSO WITH THE EARS OF THE D R C AND THE, AND, AND THE STAFF. IF, IF THE STRUCTURES WERE REVERSED, WOULD THAT, UH, BE, UH, WOULD THAT HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON, ON YOUR DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE AND THE OWNER AS WELL? I MEAN, AND THIS'S FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING REVERSE. WELL, I'M IMAGINING, I, I'M, I'M, AS I'M WANNA SAY, I'M ASSUMING, 'CAUSE I'M, IT, IT'S KIND OF A REALLY COMPLEX, UH, SET OF DOCUMENTS HERE. BUT THE, I I, I MEAN THE, UH, STAFF DOCUMENTS, IT'S HARD, HARD TO FOLLOW IT ALL THE, UM, THE SMALLER, UH, BUILDING IS ON THE OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY. RIGHT. I, I SEE. YES. WELL, THE, THESE PROPERTIES ARE PLANTED TO DIFFERENTLY, SO NO, IT, IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULD NOT WORK. AND, AND THE IDEA OF THE INTENT AS, AS WE STARTED THESE MEETINGS WAS THE CORNER HOUSE SHOULD HAVE THE PRECEDENCE 'CAUSE IT HAS TWO VIEWS. MR. CHAIR. YES, MA'AM. UM, I, I MORE THAN THE SETBACK, I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON ALSO THE COMBINATION BETWEEN THE SETBACK AND THE MASSING. SO MORE COMING TO A COMPROMISE WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, COMMISSIONER FISH, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FURTHERS ABOUT THE MASSING AS WELL COMPARED, I MEAN, I KNOW THE MASSING YOU MENTIONED, BUT COMPARING IT 'CAUSE OF THE OTHER ONE STORIES ON THE BLOCK, NOT BEYOND ITS ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE. COMMISSIONER, FISH, THE, THE APPLICANT. JUST, I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION OF D R C, UH, YOU MENTIONED MOVING THE BUILDING BACK AND, AND, UH, UH, PERHAPS REMOVING THE, THE BACK DRIVE OR MOVING THE BACK DRIVE TO THE FRONT. THE APPLICANT JUST SAID THAT, THAT THEY WOULD, THAT, THAT THE OWNER IS, IS, UH, HE'S, UH, UH, OKAY WITH THAT IDEA? YES. AND, AND IF I CAN JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT, THE, THE, WE, I THINK THE CO THE D R C THOUGHT THAT A DR A 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY COMING OFF OF BURLESON COULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT, BUT NOT IN A MANNER THAT CREATED FRONT YARD PARKING. [00:55:01] IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN MOVING THE DRIVEWAY JUST FROM MESQUITE TO BURLESON AND SLIDING THE STRUCTURE BACK, UH, BY, BY 10 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT IT IT FOR, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD BRING IT CLOSER TO THE, TO THE SETBACK OF THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE, BUT IT ALSO CREATES A CONFLICT WITH THE POSITION AND RELATIONSHIP OF THE DRIVEWAY TO THE STRUCTURE. BEFORE WE GET INTO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, YES, WE DO. UM, THE FIRST COMES FROM PATTI ZION, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL OF FINAL APPROVAL. THE APPLICATION, AS SUBMITTED READS, ITS CONCEPTUAL PRIOR TO A FINAL APPROVAL. WE FEEL THAT THE STRUCTURES MUST BE REDUCED IN MASSING AND THE PROPOSED SETBACKS, WINDOW PATTERNS AND ROOF FORMS BE RECONFIGURED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE DISTRICT. UM, THE SECOND COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL, UH, NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE ZE PLAN DEPICTS BUILDING FOOTPRINTS AND SETBACKS, UM, IMPORTANT ON THIS CORNER LOT. AND THE FRONT SETBACK ON FOR THE SECOND, EXCUSE ME, AND THE FRONT SETBACK FOR THE TWO STORY HOUSE IS NOT CONFORMED TO THE GUIDELINES OR ACTUAL SITE CONDITIONS. THE NEW HOUSE THAT FRONTS BURLESON SHOULD NOT PROJECT OVER 14 FEET IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE NEXT DOOR. AND THE SETBACK PROPOSED IS LESS THAN THE AVERAGE FRONT SETBACK FOR, FOR THE BLOCK. WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO USE A SETBACK THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BLOCK FACE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, I, I, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE, THE MOST I IMPORTANT DETAIL HERE FOR THE APPLICANT IS TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS BEING SAID. I, I LOOKED AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND QUITE EXTENSIVE, VERY, VERY COMPLICATED. BUT LOOKING AT THIS SITE PLAN AND HEARING THE COMMENTS OF THE D R C, UM, IT, IT'S A VISUAL, UM, UH, KIND OF A, UH, IMPEDIMENT OR A VISUAL, UH, UH, UM, THE, UH, WHAT CAN I SAY? THE, THE PROBLEMS ARE INHERENT IN THE DRAWING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE YOU SEE WHERE THE, THE REAR SETBACK LINE IS, AND WE SEE WHERE THE FRONT OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORING BUILDING IS. AND ONE CAN ONLY SEE AT THE LARGEST REDUCTION OF A PERFECT SQUARE. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN, IN WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE OWNER OR TO THE APPLICANT FOR CONSTRUCTION ON THIS VERY SITE. AND I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT, THAT THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT UNDERSTAND THE, KIND OF THE SPIRIT OF THIS DIALOGUE BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS AN IMPACT ON, UH, ON THIS, ON THIS PROPERTY, PROVIDED THAT THE, THAT THE H D R C IS, IS, IS, UH, IN ACCORD WITH WHAT THE, WHAT STAFF IS, IS SAYING. SO, UH, TO THE APPLICANT, UH, WITH THE DRAWING THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, IF WE WERE TO TAKE THAT SETBACK AND DRAW IT TO THE FRONT OF YOUR NEIGHBORING, UH, BUILDING AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THEN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT YOU'D ALMOST BE ASKING FOR A PROPERTY LINE SITUATION. AND, UH, I, I CAN SEE KIND OF THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF, OF PRODUCING A SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT, THAT IS BEFORE US TODAY. UM, MR. CHAIR, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAVE ON THE RECORD CLARIFIED FOR THIS, FOR THIS OWNER? THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS REALLY LIMITING THE USABILITY OF THE LOT? UH, IN, IN, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'VE GOT SETBACKS THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS THAT YOU CAN BUILD WITHIN THOSE SETBACKS, BUT THEN IT COMES TO THE D TO THE H D R C OR TO O H P AND THERE ARE LIMITATIONS BECAUSE OF WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, RIGHT? OR AT LEAST THAT'S THE, THE WAY THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT. UH, I, I DON'T KNOW, OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THE GRAVITY OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIR? YES MA'AM. AND, AND, AND TO COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S POINT, I THINK ALSO IT'S BETWEEN THE TWO AND A HALF STORY. SO MAYBE THE COM THE APPLICANT COULD GO BACK AND MAYBE REDUCE THAT. SO I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD NEED ANOTHER D R C. SO IF NOEL'S COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS OR I'LL MOVE FOR THAT. I'LL SECOND THAT COMMISSIONER GROUP SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MI, MI, MR. CHAIR, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT KNOWS, AND THAT THE COMMISSION KNOWS, ESPECIALLY THE CITIZENS, KNOW THAT WHEN WE SIT DOWN TO DISCUSS THIS D R C, SOME OF THE PARAMETERS THAT HAVE BEEN SET, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 'EM ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW AND THAT THE DISCUSSION IS NOT OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT WINDOWS AND INDOORS. IT'S ABOUT MASSING TWO FLOOR, NO TWO FLOOR, AND WHAT, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE LIMITING, UH, UH, OF, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AVAILABLE ON THE, ON THE GROUND LEVEL, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD? THANK, THANK YOU. MR. IF, IF [01:00:01] I CAN, IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION, WHAT WOULD BE, I THOUGHT WHAT I DREW WAS THE MEDIAN, THE AVERAGE OF THE STREET, WHAT THE D THE, THE GUIDELINES SAY. WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE, THE DEFINITION OR WHO COULD CARE THAT, CLARIFY THAT FOR ME. WHERE WOULD, WHERE WOULD THE, WHERE WOULD THAT LINE BE? WHERE SHOULD I START THE SETBACK, EDWARD OR CORRY? COULD YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? UM, I MEAN, YES, THE GUIDELINES DO SAY THAT YOU SHOULD MEET THE SETBACK OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, BUT WHERE IT IS INCONSISTENT ON A BLOCK FACE, YOU SHOULD UTILIZE THE MEDIAN SETBACK. UM, BUT LANCING AT THIS DIAGRAM, I MEAN, I GUESS WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING THE, THE LINE THAT'S SHOWN IS THE SORT OF MINIMUM SETBACK AND YOU'VE PUT, YOU PLACED YOUR BUILDING A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THAT. AND SO I GUESS MAYBE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COULD BE PROVIDED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT MEASUREMENTS AND WHAT YOU ESTIMATE THE MEDIAN TO BE. YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS AND I, I THOUGHT I WAS BEHIND THAT SET LINE, THAT SETBACK AND NOW WE'RE JUST REFERRING TO JUST THAT ONE HOUSE, NEIGHBORING HOUSE. SO I, I, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IT. SO NEXT TIME AROUND, I'M IN THE R, RIGHT? I HAVE THE RIGHT PARAMETERS. WELL, YOU, YOU KNOW THE, THE, UM, I'M ONE MOMENT SIR. YES SIR. UM, IF WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND, WE'LL NEED TO TAKE A VOTE. SO IF EDWARD COULD GET WITH THE APPLICANT AND CLARIFY O P'S COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE WE MEET WITH THE D R C. SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. ZOOMER ON? AYE CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE. BUTZER? AYE. . AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AYE. UM, UP NEXT IS ITEM 19. UM, EDWARD IS ALSO THE CASE MANAGER FOR THAT CASE, SO WE'LL GIVE HIM JUST A COUPLE MINUTES TO GET THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. EDWARD, IF YOU THINK YOU NEED MORE TIME, SEND ME A MESSAGE AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM 20. ALRIGHT, AGENDA ITEM [19. 21-3810 Address/Description: 914 N OLIVE ST/918 N OLIVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-557 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Ricardo Turrubiates /K/T TX HOLDINGS LLC Request: Construction of nine, 2-story residential structures, construction of carports City Council Dist.: 2] NUMBER 19 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 25 57 9 14 AND NINE 18 NORTH OLIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT NINE TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LIGHTS ADDRESSES NINE 14 AND NINE 18 NORTH OLIVE LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH V STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT STUDY AN INCREASE IN THE SETBACK FOR THE NORTHERNMOST STRUCTURE THAT FRONTS NORTH OLIVES. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REORIENT THE MIDDLE ROW OF STRUCTURES TO FACE NORTH OLIVE TO PRESENT THE REAR FACADES OF THESE STRUCTURES FROM FRONTING NORTH. THREE. THAT THE APPLICANT DEVELOPED A HIERARCHY OF HEIGHTS AND WIDTHS THAT RESULT IN REDUCED MASSING AT THE REAR OF THE SITE. IS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND NOTED IN FINDING H FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT THAT THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A C CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM OR A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP AND A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH. IF A RIDGE CAP IS PROPOSED, IT MUST BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. COMPOSITE SIDING IS TO FEATURE SMOOTH FINISHES, MITRE CORNERS, THE CORNER TRIM, AND A THICKNESS OF THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH, AND AN EXPOSURE EXPOSURE OF FOUR AND SIX INCHES WITH THE PREDOMINANT BEING FOUR INCHES COMPOSITE SIDING INSTALLED IN THE BOARD. AND BATTEN PROFILE IS TO FEATURE BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE AND BATTENS THAT ARE ONE TO ONE AND A HALF INCH WIDE. FIVE THAT WOOD ARE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF. STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS ARE TO BE INSTALLED. WINDOWS SHOULD NOT FEATURE PHOTO, DIVIDED LIGHT AND GROUPED WINDOWS SHOULD BE SEPARATED BY A MILLION OF SIX INCHES. IN THE, IF A NON ALUMINUM CLAD WOULD OR WOOD WINDOW IS PROPOSED, THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT A SPECIFIC PRODUCT TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT, OR EXCUSE ME, SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT OR THAT IT, THE APPLICANT HAD ADDITIONAL AND APPROPRIATELY SIZED FENESTRATION ELEVATIONS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF THE PLAN. 1560, INCLUDING PLAN B, THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS OF PLAN 1218, THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS OF PLAN 1525, AND THE LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATIONS OF PLAN 1233. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT FULL-SIZE WINDOWS SHOULD BE ADDED TO BOTH THE RIGHT AND LEFT ELEVATIONS OF PLAN 1537, [01:05:01] THAT ALL INTERNAL PARKING AND ATTACHED GARAGES WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION BE ELIMINATED. EIGHT. THAT THE PROPOSED ALLEY AND DRIVEWAY BE REDUCED TO THE MINIMUM WITH REQUIRED BY CODE. BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES NORMALLY RECOMMENDED A 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY, THE APPLICANT MUST DEMONSTRATE THAT EVERY ATTEMPT HAS BEEN MADE AND NINE, THAT THE PROPOSED DUPLEX STRUCTURES BE REDESIGNED TO ADDRESS INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE GUIDELINES, IDENTIFY WITH THE GUIDELINES. THERE'S A CASE COMMENT FOR A FOUNDATION INSPECTION, A SETBACK INSPECTION, AND A STANDING TEAM METAL ROOF INSPECTION. UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S ACTUALLY DROPPED OFF OF MY CALL, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO ADD THEM IN REAL QUICK. BRIEFLY, BEAR WITH ME. UM, WHILE EDWARD DOES THAT, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IS RECUSED FROM THIS CASE AND HAS STEPPED AWAY. ALRIGHT, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M HERE WITH THE APPLICANT, RICARDO FROM, UH, TERRAMARK. UM, RICARDO, ARE YOU THERE? YES. HELLO, THIS IS TERRAMARK URBAN HOME, UM, 9 0 5 NORTH PINE. YES, SIR. IF YOU CAN ADDRESS, UH, OR MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION, AND THEN I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE SOME CITIZEN COMMENTS. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. UM, LET ME START WITH, UH, A QUICK INTRODUCTION OF OUR, OUR PROJECT. SO, UM, WE ARE COMING IN FOR FINAL APPROVAL OF OUR 12 UNIT COMMUNITY. UH, PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE ANNUITY HILL AND IT'S PART OF OUR, UH, PART OF OUR LARGER PINE HAY DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY COME AND BUILT, UM, FOUR UNITS, AND THEN WE'RE BUILDING AN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING AN ADDITIONAL FOUR, UM, ON THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE PROPERTY. UM, BUT ALL THIS CORP PROJECT WILL BE THE CONCLUSION OF THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE TO, UH, WE ACTUALLY GOT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BACK IN FEBRUARY. SO SINCE THAT, UH, APPROVAL OR SINCE THAT APPROVAL, WE'VE MET WITH THE, UH, D R C MULTIPLE TIMES. GREAT FEEDBACK. UM, WE'VE MET WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, SEVERAL TIMES ON SITE AND, UH, AND AT OUR OFFICE WHERE WE'VE DONE A FULL PRESENTATION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE, UM, RANGING FROM DRAINAGE TO TRASH AND, UH, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING THEM IN THE DESIGN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, WE'VE ALSO MET WITH O H P, UH, A A COUPLE OF TIMES TO, TO DISCUSS FENESTRATION AND, UM, ANY, AND CLARIFY SOME OF THEIR STIPULATIONS. THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, GREAT, UH, GREAT ADDITIONS TO OUR PRESENTATION SINCE THAT, AND THAT'S, UH, I BELIEVE REFLECTED IN, IN THE, UH, UH, PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE TODAY. SO, UH, STARTING WITH, UM, OUR SITE PLAN, UM, A QUICK OVERVIEW. SO 12 UNITS, THREE OF THOSE UNITS THAT WE'LL BE FACING NORTH OLIVE. UH, ALL OUR UNITS HERE ARE BA REAR LOADED. UH, WE BELIEVE IT'S, IT ADDS TO THE WALKABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT BEGINS TO MAKE CONNECTIONS, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT ONES TO THE, UH, UH, NORTH OLIVE, UH, NORTH OLIVE STREET, AND OUR NEIGHBORS ON NORTH OLIVE AND THE INTERIOR ONES, UM, MAKE THAT CONNECTIONS AND, AND BETWEEN THEMSELVES, UM, BUILD THAT COMMUNITY. UM, THE MIDDLE UNITS ARE, ARE MEDIUM SIZED UNITS, UM, CREATING THIS HIERARCHY FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM FRONTAGE TO, TO THE BACK. AND THEN THE LAST ONES ON THE END ARE OUR SMALLER, UH, 1233 SQUARE FEET, UH, UNITS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY TARGETING FOR A MORE AFFORDABLE, UM, UH, PRODUCT. SO WE, IN TOTAL, WE HAVE ALL THIS WILL BE FED BY A 20 FOOT COMMON DRIVE, UM, AND ALL THE, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO CONNECTING, UM, ALL 12 UNITS THROUGH THIS [01:10:01] BIO SWELL, UH, THAT INTERTWINES THE LAST, YOU KNOW, THE LAST SECOND AND THIRD LINE OF HOMES AND HAS A STRAIGHT CONNECTION TO NORTH OLIVE, UM, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS SOME SAFE PLACE TO WALK AND GREAT CONNECTIVITY TO THE, UM, LARGER DIGNITY HILL COMMUNITY. UH, THE NEXT PAGE IS OUR LANDSCAPING AND FENCING EXAMPLE. UM, THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND SOME OF OUR INSPIRATION FOR THIS COMMUNITY. NEXT ONE, IT'S THE INITIAL SETBACK EXHIBIT. UH, THIS EXHIBIT WAS PRESENTED BACK AT OUR, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FROM WHERE ONE ON THAT APPROVAL WAS THAT WE COULD COME BACK AND STUDY, UH, HOW WE COULD BRING, UM, THE FURTHEST UNIT TO THE NORTH, WHICH WOULD BE OUR 9 0 1 PINE. UM, THE PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE CAN PUT BACK, WHAT THAT SETBACK COULD BE WHILE 19 IS STA MEDIAN, YOU KNOW, UM, OUR NEIGHBOR AT 9 28 IS PRETTY SETBACK. YOU KNOW, JUST IT'S A LARGER FOOTPRINT. UM, SO WE WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT STEPPING, YOU KNOW, UH, STEPPING IT BACK WOULD ALSO BE A GREAT IDEA. SO SINCE THEN, WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND PUSH THAT, UH, UNIT ALL THE WAY TO 23 FEET. UM, AND REALLY, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, UH, UH, WHAT ALLOWED US ALLOWED US TO DO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME, WE HAD SOME SPACE THERE IN THE BACK, BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, WE COULDN'T PUSH IT ANY FURTHER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A TWO CAR, UH, PARKING AND THE 18 FEET THAT WE NEED FOR TANDEM PARKING IS LIMITED US, YOU KNOW, LIMITS THE, THE ABILITY TO PUSH IT ANY FURTHER. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO, YOU HAVE 19, 19 23 AND THEN WHERE OUR NEIGHBOR AT 40TH THINK IT, IT, IT'S A GREAT COMPLIMENT. UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THE STREET VIEW. SO OUR DESIGNER, UH, DID A GREAT JOB OF, UH, YOU KNOW, STUDYING THE, THE HEIGHT AND MASS OF OUR NEIGHBORS ON NORTH OLIVE AND INCLUDING OUR FUTURE HOMES, AND SEE HOW THEY WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, FIT WITHIN THE FABRIC OF THAT BLOCK FACE. UM, AS YOU SEE, OUR FOOTPRINTS AND OUR HEIGHTS ARE VERY COMPARABLE TO OUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE BELIEVE THAT IT, THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY FIT VERY WELL. THE NEXT ONE IS THE HOME FRONTING, UH, HOMES, FRONTING OLIVE STREET. IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A, A LITTLE MORE ZOOM IN VERSION OF WHAT THE, UH, STREETS SCAPE WOULD LOOK, NOTING THAT, UM, NOTING THAT OUR SLAB WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT COMPARABLE, UH, SLAB EXPOSURE NOTED IN THE GUIDELINES. UM, SO WHEN WE START POURING THESE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE START POURING THESE, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE A SLAB, UM, INSPECTION THAT O H P WILL COME AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AT IT'S EXCEEDING THEIR GUIDELINES. NEXT ONE IS A CARPORT EXHIBIT. WE BUILT THIS CARPORT EXHIBIT. WE ACTUALLY GOT AN APPROVAL TO BUILD THIS CARPORT, UM, TWO MONTHS AGO FOR OUR, UH, MINE STUDIO, UH, CARPORTS. SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE, AND WE AGREED TO THAT STIPULATION WINDOW DETAIL. WE ARE STRIVING FOR A CONSISTENT, UH, WINDOW DETAIL, WINDOW TRIMMING ON ALL THESE HOMES. WHILE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, UH, SHAPE WHILE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SHAPES AND SIZES, WE DO WANT SOME CONSISTENCY IN HOW THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE TRIMMED. I THINK IT BRINGS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND JUST MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, A NICER, UH, UH, VIEW FROM THE FRONT AND FROM ANY ANGLE FOLLOWING IS, UH, WINDOW DETAIL AND SPECS. WE WORKED WITH O H P TO, UH, END THE COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DETAIL IS AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. WHAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD, AND THE WINDOW, UH, THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED ARE, IS THE SAME WINDOW THAT WE'VE USED IN OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION AND NOTING CITY CENTER, OUR CITY CENTER PROJECT, UM, CLOSER TO COMMERCE STREET AND OUR SURROUNDING, UH, HOMES HERE IN, IN, UH, WINDOW. SPECS WITH REPRESENTATION. [01:15:02] SO THIS IS AGAIN, A, UH, ANOTHER, A ZOOMED IN VERSION OF THE DIESEL ABOVE, UM, AND SHOWING A WINDOW THAT WE BUILT, YOU KNOW, NOT, IT'S THIS WINDOW RIGHT HERE, IT'S LIKE TWO, OH, I THINK IT'S LESS THAN 200 FEET AWAY FROM MORVILLE. WE WILL ACTUALLY BUILD A HOUSE, UH, THESE, THESE HOUSES. SO EXACT SAME WINDOW, EXACT SAME TRIMMING. YEAH, OUR MATERIAL EXHIBIT OF EXISTING HOMES. SO, UH, THERE'S A PART OF THE STIPULATION WAS THE A, UH, STIPULATION REGARDING FIGHTING AND, UH, SPECIFICATIONS. UM, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE FOUR INCHES AND, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND NOW IT'S CHANGED FROM FOUR TO SIX, I BELIEVE. BUT WE WENT AHEAD AND, UH, AFTER MEETING WITH THE D R C, UM, AND O H P, WE CANVAS THE SURROUNDING BLOCK AND IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIDING. UM, AND WE CREATED A CONTEXT EXHIBIT, UH, THAT INCLUDED, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE VARIOUS, UM, TYPES OF, OF SIDINGS IN OUR BLOCK. AND IT, YOU KNOW, WE WENT AND INCLUDED THAT IN THE LAST, OUR LAST, UH, PRESENTATION. THE NEXT ONE IS THE ALLEY EXHIBIT. UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS WAS, UM, IN REGARDS TO OUR ALLEY DRIVEWAY. UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S A, FOR THE GUIDELINES ON A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY, UM, THE MINIMUM IS A 10 OR THE MAXIMUM, I THINK IT'S A 10. UM, WHAT WE DID WAS, YOU KNOW, WE CANVASED THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE FOUND A FEW, UH, A COUPLE OF, UM, ALLEYS, UM, MOST NOTABLY BOSTON, UM, THAT HAVE, THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO OUR 20 FOOT, UH, COMMON DRIVE, AND ARE ALSO HOLDING HIGH DENSITY NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO WE, WE BELIEVE THAT'S A GREAT PRECEDENT THERE, THERE. AND THEN PAGES 29 TO 75 ARE ALL OUR, UM, ARCHITECTURE, UH, UNITS. UM, IF YOU LIKE, I LIKE IF YOU LIKE, I CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE. UM, IF NOT, WE CAN START WITH THE, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. UH, LET'S HEAR CITIZEN COMMENTS, AND THEN WE CAN GET QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. OKAY. THE FIRST COMES FROM PATTY ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO JOINS WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC RESERVATION STAFF AND RECOMMENDING THAT THIS PROJECT NOT RECEIVE APPROVAL. THE NINE TWO STORY RESIDENCES ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS FOUND AT DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE BUILDING'S MASSING SETBACKS, ORIENTATION AND NUMBERED, NOT CONFORMED TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. THE NEXT COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL DISTRICT. UM, IT SAYS WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, ESPECIALLY AS THEY RELATE TO ONE THE FRONT SETBACKS, ESPECIALLY FOR NINE 18. NOTE THAT THE AVERAGE FRONT SETBACK FOR THIS BLOCK FACE IS OVER 24 FEET, THE MEANEST 21 FEET, AND PROBABLY GREATER IF THE EXISTING HOUSES HAD INTACT CONCRETE CURBS. ONLY NINE 18 WITH A 23 FOOT SETBACK IS CLOSE, WHICH SHUTS OUT AT 17 FEET BEYOND THE FRONT OF ITS NEIGHBORHOOD, 9 28 NORTH OLIVE. BUT THIS, BUT THIS IS TOO MUCH. TWO INTERNAL GARAGES ONLY, JUST ONLY SERVE TO CREATE OUT OF CHARACTER. LARGE HOUSE MASSING, WHICH IS UP NOT OBVIOUS FOR NINE 14 AND 9 18 3 CARPORT MATERIALS SHOULD CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES. THE CARPORT AT NINE 16 IS PROPERLY DESIGNED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITS HIGHLY VISIBLE STEEL STRUCTURE. WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO USE WOOD, USE A WOOD STRUCTURE AS OTHER NEW HOMES HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO RECEIVE A C O A AND FOR THE APPLICANT. ADDRESSES THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE GUIDELINES REGARDING THE DUPLEXES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? UH, YES, SIR. BEFORE I, I APOLOGIZE. UHHUH, CAN I, CAN I ASK THE, UM, STAFF, UH, WE, WE GOT, UM, A FEW SUPPORT LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. UM, WILL THOSE BE READ AT, AT THIS MEETING, OR IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE COMMISSIONER'S FOLDERS? THOSE WERE SENT TO EDWARD, UH, TWO AND A HALF WEEKS AGO. YES. EDWARD HAS ADDED THEM TO THE FOLDER. WILL WILL THOSE BE READ? THEY WERE NOT SUBMITTED TO BE READ. I, I APOLOGIZE IF THERE WAS MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT THAT. SHOULD, SHOULD, THEY ARE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S PACKET FOR RE FOR US TO READ. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. HOW MANY LETTERS ARE THERE? UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO. [01:20:01] UM, CAN, CAN WE HAVE 'EM READ HERE FOR THE RECORD? I'LL DEFER TO THE CHAIR. ARE THEY, LET'S SEE. I MEAN, THERE'S MANY CASES THAT HAVE LETTERS IN OUR FOLDER. WE HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE PRIOR TO THE MEETING? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR THE PUBLIC INTEREST. I MEAN, SO PUBLIC MEETING. WELL, WE HAVE TWO LETTERS. UM, GO AHEAD AND READ THEM. OKAY. UM, THIS COMES FROM JAMIE ROWAN AND CHRISTINA ALEXANDER. UM, TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, MY PARTNER AND I LIVE AND OWN AT THE HOUSE LOCATED AT 9 23 NORTH PINE, UH, ZIP CODE 9 8 2 0 2, WHICH MAKES US ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS TO THE EASE OF THE PROPOSED OLIVE COURT PROJECT LOCATED AT 9 14 9 18 NORTH OLIVE. AS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED MOST BY THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO TERRAMARK VARIOUS TIMES IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. IN REGARDS TO THE PROJECT PLANS SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE BEEN PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH ALL THINGS DRAINAGE AS THE TERRAMARK LOT UPON, LOT UPON WHICH THEY'RE BUILDING IS MUCH HIGHER IN ELEVATION THAN OUR LOT AS WELL AS OUR NEIGHBOR'S LOTS. AND OUR LOT IS ALSO SLOPED RATHER SEVERELY AT TIMES TOWARDS OUR HOUSE. THIS MEANS WHEN IT RAINS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF WATER COMING TOWARDS AND UNDER OUR HOUSE, AND WE'RE CONCERNED THAT WHEN TERRAMARK BUILDS OR GRADES AND BUILDS ON THE LOT BEHIND US, THAT THIS COULD EXACERBATE THE ISSUE. UM, AND MEETING WITH TERRAMARK TERRAMARK HANDFUL OF TIMES IN RECENT WEEKS, UM, THEY'VE NOT ONLY LISTENED TO OUR CONCERNS, BUT ALSO HAVE WALKED A LOT WITH US AND SHARED THEIR PLANS AND DESIGNS. UM, WE'VE TAKEN OUR CONCERNS, THEY'VE TAKEN OUR CONCERNS TO HEART, AND THEY'VE BEEN, AND THAT HAS BEEN REFLECTED IN THE UPDATED DRAINAGE PLANS. AND WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED DETAILS ABOUT FENCING, RETAINING WALLS AND LANDSCAPING AT THE POINT WHERE THEIR LOT MEETS OURS. AND OVERALL, THEY SEEM TO BE OPEN TO OUR FEEDBACK AND CONCERNS. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE OLIVE COURT PROJECT, APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORLY RE RELATIONSHIP WE DEVELOPED AND MAINTAINED WITH TERRAMARK, AND LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING NEW NEIGHBORS BEHIND US. UH, GIMME ONE MOMENT WHILE I NAVIGATE TO THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. THIS COMES FROM NICHOLAS SPIKER. UM, MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 9 1 9 NORTH PINE STREET. TERRAMARK HAS WORKED WITH US AS NEIGHBORS WHILE DESIGNING THE OLIVE COURT PROJECT AT NORTH OLIVE STREET, UM, WHICH IS BEING BUILT ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY LINE. IT WILL BE PUTTING IN DRAINAGE SYSTEMS TO HELP PROTECT OUR REAR STRUCTURES AND ADUS, AS WELL AS OUR HISTORIC HOUSE BUILT IN 1898. WITHOUT THESE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, THE FOUNDATIONS OF OUR STRUCTURES WILL CONTINUALLY BE DAMAGED AS A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF OCCURS DURING EVERY STORM. TRIMARK WILL ALSO BE IMPLEMENTING LANDSCAPING AND FENCING, WHICH WILL IMPROVE THE AESTHETIC VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. ALTHOUGH THIS IS PART OF AN ONGOING MODERNIZATION OF OUR BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEIR PROPOSITION TO BUILD ADVANCED DRAINED SYSTEMS WILL HELP ENSURE THE INTEGRITY AND FOUNDATION OF THE STRUCTURES ON OUR PROPERTY AND OTHERS. UM, BOTH MIO AND I SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU FOR THE LETTERS, QUESTIONS, OR COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? UM, YES. I THINK WE PROBABLY GIVE A REPORT ON THE, ON THE D R C OR THE COUPLE OF DRCS. I KNOW THAT YOU WERE AT THE, UH, PRESENT, UH, ON, ON THE D R C THAT THAT OCCURRED BEFORE THIS PRESENTATION. AND, AND I WANTED JUST TO REPORT TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMISSION THAT, OH, WHAT, WHAT WE SPENT MOST TIME DISCUSSING WAS THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE PLAN AND PARTIC WITH PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THE, THE MIDDLE, UH, UNITS AND THE REAR UNITS. AND, UH, THE RATIONALE BETWEEN BE BEHIND WHY DO THEY FACE EACH OTHER AS OPPOSED TO, UH, ALL FACE FORWARD. UH, AND WE HAD VIGOROUS DISCUSSION. UH, UH, RICARDO WAS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT PRESENTED ON BEHALF OF TERRAMARK AND, AND, UH, UH, THE, THE CONVERSATION WAS VIGOROUS. AND, UH, IT WAS A GOOD, REALLY PROACTIVE CONVERSATION. I, UM, UH, EVEN TO THE TINIEST DETAIL, MR. CHAIR, I, I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD MADE TO THEM ABOUT THE, THE NEAR MISS AND THE, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOWS, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING, I THINK THERE WAS DRAWING NUMBER 10 THAT THEY, THAT THEY, UH, PRESENTED. UH, IT, IT SHOWS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY REALLY TOOK IT TO HEART. AND NOT ONLY THAT AND OTHER SMALL DETAILS, WE, WE WERE DISCUSSING SOME DRAWING INCONSISTENCIES WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOWS SILLS AND, UH, THE WAY THAT THEIR OTHER DRAWING COULD BE READ. THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE GONE THE EXTRA DISTANCE, I THINK, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, UM, THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR COMMITMENT TO ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE, THE DIFFERENT PIECES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE US. UH, THE ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT IN THIS, IN THIS PROJECT IS THE COMPLEXITY [01:25:02] OF NOT ONLY THE, THE, UM, THE, THE VERY DILIGENT WORK OF, OF, OF, UH, THESE, UM, UH, THESE APPLICANT, BUT, BUT ALSO ON PART OF THE STAFF. VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ONE MEETING TO BE ABLE TO WRAP YOUR, YOUR, YOU KNOW, ARMS AROUND EXACTLY WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T POSSIBLE, RIGHT? BUT, UH, WITH THE SITE PLAN AND THESE WELL-DEVELOPED, UM, UH, DRAWINGS THAT MOST DEFINITELY REFLECT, UM, UH, THE, UM, THE, THE COMMENTS OF THE MULTIPLE DRCS. UH, I THINK THIS PROJECT IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD. UH, I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE IT, BUT, BUT MOST DEFINITELY NOT WITHOUT HAVING PARTICIPATED IN THE DRCS WHERE, UM, UH, THIS ORGANIZATION HAS, UH, UH, REALLY PROACTIVELY IN A VERY POSITIVE ATTITUDE TO, TO NOT ONLY, UH, FOLLOW OUR, OUR, UM, OUR ADVICE, BUT BUT ALSO TO CONTINUE TO PRODUCE, UH, CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE IN THE, IN THESE HISTORIC COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. I WOULD CONCUR WITH YOUR COMMENTS THAT, UH, TERRAMARK HAS BEEN, UH, RESPONSIVE TO COMMISSION COMMENTS AND STAFF COMMENTS AS WELL AS, UH, WORKING WITH THE DRCS. UM, THEY'VE PRESENTED, UH, EXHIBITS OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CHARACTER IN THE SIDING AND, AND, UH, WINDOW PLACEMENT IN THAT, UH, WE DID ENCOURAGE THEM TO, UM, LOOK AT THE FENESTRATION CLOSELY AND ADD FENESTRATION WHERE IT MADE SENSE INTERNALLY AS WELL AS EXTERNALLY. UM, SO I WOULD COMMEND THE, THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR DILIGENCE. UH, OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. YES, MA'AM. UH, I NOT SURE WOULD AGREE TO JUST MOVE FORWARD THE PROJECT. I STILL HAVE SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS, HAS PUT FORWARD. I DO AGREE. HAVE NOT BEEN MET. SOME OF THEM HAVE. UM, I AM, YES, I AGREE THAT THEY HAVE WORKED ON THE FENESTRATION, BUT I DO STILL FEEL THAT THE WINDOW PRESENTED TODAY IS NOT THE TYPE OF WINDOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE UNDIVIDED LIGHTS, THE FULL DIVIDED LIGHTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TODAY ON THE PICTURE. BUT, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S VERY CLEAR TO THE APPLICANT. UM, AND ALSO, I MEAN, ALSO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN. I DO AGREE ALSO WITH THE ATTACHED GARAGES ON THE COURT BOARDS, I HAVE NOT AGREED BEFORE, AND I DID NOT AGREE TO THEM ON THE OTHER PROJECT EITHER. I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMMON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT I, I'M STILL WORRIED ABOUT MOVING FORWARD A PROJECT WITH SOME STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MET YET. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE, UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I APOLOGIZE. I HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO SIT IN ON, ON THE LAST FEW ROUNDS OF DRCS, BUT I THINK DURING THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL I HAD, UH, SOME QUESTION ABOUT LOT COVERAGE OR PERVIOUS COVER RELATED TO THE REAR, THE REAR MOST LOTS AROUND THE DUPLEXES. IS, IS THERE A DOCUMENT IN THIS PACKAGE THAT YOU COULD DIRECT ME TO THAT DESCRIBES THAT, UM, SINCE THE, UH, SINCE THAT, UM, APPROVAL, UM, AND IT WAS NOT, I GUESS, UH, NOT INCLUDE IN STIPULATIONS. WE, WE DID NOT NOT INCLUDE IT, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, UM, SINCE THAT APPROVAL, WE'VE GONE AHEAD AND ACTUALLY EXTENDED THE IMPER, UH, THE PERVIOUS COVER, UM, THE TRUE GRID SYSTEM THAT WE WILL BE DOING ON THE EASTERN HALF OF THE PROJECT, UM, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, UH, UNDER THE CARPORTS. SO I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME WE, WE SPOKE, UH, WE SPOKE COMMISSIONER FISH, YOUR CONCERN WAS IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, THE CARPORT BEING, I GUESS A, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RAIN WAS GONNA HIT THE CARPORT, AND THEN I WAS GONNA GO DOWN, UM, TO YOU COUNTING THAT, AS YOU KNOW, UH, IMPERVIOUS, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT EXTENDING THAT TRUE GRID SYSTEM ALL THE WAY TO, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, THE, UNDER THE CARPORTS AND, UM, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS, UH, A, A A I D, [01:30:01] UH, FEATURE AS WELL. UM, OKAY, THAT, THAT CONCERN, AND I REMEMBER THAT THE LOT COVERAGE BACK THERE WAS CLOSE TO 50% AND THAT, THAT, OR THE, THE PREVIOUS COVER RATHER, AND THAT, THAT WHAT WAS NOT COUNTING IN THE CARPORTS. THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED. SO YES, SIR. IT NECESSARILY BEEN INCREASED ON, UH, GO AHEAD. YES, SIR. YES. UH, IT, IT HAS INCREASED NOW WITH THE ADDED TWO GRID, UM, UH, ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE DRIVEWAYS UNDER THE CARPORT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO ACCEPT THE, UH, PROPOSAL AS, UH, PRESENTED TO THE, UM, TO THE BOARD OF, UH, UH, TO, TO THE COMMISSION. SORRY. UM, THAT'S MY MOTION. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR? I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTARY THAT, UM, THI THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN BEFORE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. UM, I'VE, I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SIT IN THE DRCS ON THIS PROJECT. CERTAINLY, THE, THE, OUR INTENT IS NOT THAT, UH, THE, UM, APPLICANT MEET ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN SET FORTH. OF COURSE, THERE ARE MANY IN, IN THE DOCUMENTS, UH, SHOW. BUT, BUT FOR US TO, TO REACH A POINT WHERE, WHERE THE ARCHITECTURE IS HOLISTIC AND EXPRESSES ITSELF IN A, IN A VERY, UH, UM, GRACIOUS MANNER TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS ACTUALLY A, A COMPONENT THAT, THAT INCREASES THE, UM, THE, THE CHARACTER OF THIS COMMUNITY. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO, TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT SO THAT THEY CAN MOVE ON AND BECOME A REALITY AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT DIFFICULT PROJECT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. FERNANDEZ. UM, AYE. FISH NAYYY GIBBS. NAYYY VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA AYE. AYE. ZOOMER ON? AYE. CARPENTER OH, IS RECUSED, I APOLOGIZE. RECUSED RUB NAY BOWMAN, NAY BETTCHER. AYE. LUNE NAY. UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S A SPLIT VOTE, SO MOTION FAILS. IT'S FIVE TO FIVE. SO I NEED ANOTHER MOTION. MS. MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. IF I COULD ASK COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ TO INCLUDE, UH, UM, STIPULATION, UH, THAT DOES NOT PERMIT THE FO DI FAUX DIVIDED LIGHTS AND INCLUDES, UM, THE STIPULATIONS ABOUT, UH, FOUNDATION HEIGHTS, UH, AND THOSE OTHER TYPICAL STAFF STIPULATIONS. I THINK I CAN SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, Y YES, UH, COMMISSIONER FISHER, PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I, I, THE, THE FULL LIGHTS WENT OVER MY HEAD. I, I'M, AND PROBABLY RICARDO SHOULD KNOW THAT, UH, IN NO CASE ARE FULL LIGHTS EVER APPROVED. UH, BUT YES, MOST DEFINITELY. I, I AMEND MY MOTION, UH, TO MEET THE, THE, UH, REQUEST OF FELLOW COMMISSIONER. CAN YOU SPECIFY EXACTLY WHAT STIPULATIONS, 'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE KIND OF MISTAKES THAT MAKE A PROJECT GO THROUGH WITH LITTLE ERRORS LIKE THAT. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE VERY CLEAR ON WHICH STIPULATIONS YOU PLAN TO COMMISSIONER FISH. WELL, YES. LET ME ASK COMMISSIONER FISH IF HE WOULD, UM, UH, BE SPECIFIC ABOUT HIS, UH, UH, HIS REQUEST, AND THEN I WOULD ASK STAFF TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT IT IN THE MOTION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WELL, I'M MOVE, I'M MOVING THROUGH THE STIPULATIONS TO TRY TO SORT OUT SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT I BELIEVE SHOULD STILL BE ATTACHED. FOUR, FOUR, AND FIVE. UM, I JUST NEED A, I JUST NEED A MINUTE. UM, AND IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE STIPULATIONS THAT THEY, THEY SUGGEST COULD BE INCLUDED, UH, TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD IN THE MEANTIME, ENCOURAGE YOU TO SHARE THEM. UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, THERE, THERE IS A NOTE ON THE DRAWINGS THAT [01:35:01] I, THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE D R C WHERE THEY'VE OMITTED, UH, UH, LANDSCAPING ON ELEVATION SO THAT THEY CAN ILLUSTRATE THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS. SO I THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE D R C IS THAT A LOT OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED, THEY DEALT WITH THAT IT'S READ IN THE FINDINGS, BUT IT, IT KINDA GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING AS TO, UH, AND ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE, THE MEETING OF WHAT, WHAT DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, THE MEETING THOSE NEEDS, IT, THOSE THINGS DON'T FALL OFF THE LIST, SO IT GETS VERY COMPLICATED. UH, BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE MIGHT ASK RICARDO TO CLARIFY THAT. BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT I SAW. UH, WITH REGARD TO THE FOUNDATION LINES, IF, IF STAFF MAY ASK, UM, COMMISSIONER FISH IN REGARDS TO STIPULATION FIVE. UH, PREVIOUSLY YOU HAD MENTIONED, UH, SIMPLY NO DIVIDED LIGHTS, BUT THEN YOU NOTED STIPULATION FIVE. UH, SO COULD YOU CLARIFY WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE WINDOW PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT IS APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT FEATURE NO PHOTO DIVIDED LIGHTS, OR COULD YOU CLARIFY IF YOU FIND THAT A WOOD OR AN ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW SHOULD BE INSTALLED? UM, EDWARD, THANKS FOR THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. OTHER THAN THE MATERIAL, DO YOU FIND THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOW GENERALLY MEETS THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF OUR STANDARD SPECIFICATION? GENERALLY, THE MEETING RAIL IS A, A BIT TALL. UM, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS FOUND A WAY TO SUCCESSFULLY, UH, RECESS THE WINDOW WITHIN THE OPENING. UM, THAT IS WHAT STAFF HAS ASKED FOR. UH, SO, UH, GENERALLY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MATERIAL AND THE EXCEPTION OF THE MEETING RAIL HEIGHT, UM, THE WINDOW GENERALLY MEETS MEETS STAFF STANDARDS. AND ONE THING THAT THE APPLICATION OR THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED IS AN EXTENDED SILL THAT PROJECTS OUT BELOW THE TRIM, THE SEAL TRIM, WHICH HAD NOT BEEN PRESENTED IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, APPLICATION. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DID DISCUSS IN THE D R C. SO JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, I'LL MAKE THE, THE NEW MOTION. UM, I MOVE TO A APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR RELATED TO THE ROOF MATERIALS, THE METAL ROOF STANDARDS STAFF STIPULATION FIVE THAT THE MATERIAL BE AS PROVED AS SUBMITTED, BUT WITH NO DIVIDED LIGHTS AND, UH, SHOULD INCLUDE THE EXTENDED SIL DETAIL THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE PACKAGE. UM, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO INCLUDE THE FOUNDATION INSPECTION AND THE STANDING SEAM ROOF INSPECTION AS NOTED BY STAFF. I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER FISH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SHALL WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. ERON? AYE. CARPENTER, MR. RECUSED A THANK YOU GROUP. MAY BOWMAN? AYE. BETSON? AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. OKAY, ITEM 20. UM, STEPH, ARE YOU THERE? [20. 21-3781 Address/Description: 237 W AGARITA AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-240 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Matt Stevens/Matt W. Stevens Landscape Architect LLC Request: Privacy fence installation measuring eight feet in height City Council Dist.: 1] ITEM 20? YES. ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, STEPH. ITEM NUMBER 20 HT R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 2 4 0. ADDRESS, 2 37 WEST AGARITA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW PRIVACY FENCE IN THE SIDE AND REAR YARDS MEASURING EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT, STEPPING DOWN ALONG THE SIDE. PROPERTY LINES. THE FENCING WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OF GALVANIZED POSTS AND HORIZONTAL WOODEN SLABS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PRIVACY FENCING, INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDINGS, AIM, AND THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHT TO SIX FEET ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY LINES AS NOTED IN BINDING C AND TWO, THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF AN APPROVED FENCE MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AS APPROVED BY THE H D R C AT ANY PORTION. ADDITIONALLY, ALL FENCES MUST BE PERMITTED TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14. AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT MATT STEVENS ON THE LINE WHO WISHES TO DISCUSS THE HEIGHT. MATT, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YES. HI EVERYONE, THIS IS MATT STEVENS. I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND I'M WORKING WITH THE CLIENT AT 2 37 AGARITA. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE COME UP WITH A SIDE PLAN THAT SEEKS TO [01:40:01] IMPROVE THE OVERALL AESTHETICS OF THE PERIMETER OF THE, THE BACK AND THE REAR YARD, UM, AND ALSO THE SIDES OF THE, THE REAR YARD. AND SO WE HAVE A, UM, A VERY DETAILED COLOR CODED SITE PLAN. AND IF, IF WE CAN GO TO THE, UM, THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY DETAILED PLAN THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IF YOU SEE, UM, RIGHT NOW, AND OF COURSE, THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON BELT MAP THAT'S SHOWING THE EXISTING FENCE LINE. AND THIS IS A, UM, A VERY HELPFUL SLIDE, UM, FOR WHAT WE ARE WANTING, UM, TO LOOK AT SO THAT THE THING THAT, UM, WE SHOW IN THE LAST COUPLE SLIDES IS THE SIGHT LINE FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE LOOKING TOWARDS THE REAR OR THE, THE, THE SIDE, UH, CLOSEST TO BELK KN. UM, THAT ELEVATION IS QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN THE, THE REAR YARD. AND SO SIX FEET, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, UM, A COUPLE SLIDES BACK, UM, ACTUALLY IT'S ON, UH, 15 SEE, UH, A A PERSON STANDING TO A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE. AND THAT SIX FOOT TALL FENCE IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S THERE NOW. AND SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS HAVE MORE HEIGHT THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE PRIVACY FOR OUR CLIENT. UM, AND ALSO WHEN THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THEY'RE JUST NOT SO OPEN, UH, TO THE STREET ON BELKNAP. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE BIG IDEA. UM, AND SHOWING THAT DIAGRAM. AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU COULD SEE ON PAGE 17, UH, THE PROPOSED EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT. SO THAT'S, UM, SIX FOOT, WHICH IS EXISTING. AND WE'RE THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE THE, THE EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT. OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE PRIVACY THERE, UM, WHILE YOU'RE STANDING IN THE BACKYARD. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE, THE VIEW, UM, A COUPLE SLIDES BACK WAS FROM WITHIN THE HOUSE. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT. UM, SO IT'S ON PAGE 14 WHERE WE SH WE SHOW A, A PERSON STANDING INSIDE THE HOUSE VIEWING OUT, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE, THEY'RE CLEARLY SEEN RIGHT UP AND OVER THE, THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES, WE DO. UM, THIS COMES FROM PAUL KINISON OF THE MONTE VISTA, UM, CIRCLE ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, THE MV HHAS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE CONCURS WITH O HB STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT'S IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, THE PHOTO PHOTOS THAT YOU PRESENTED 16 AND 17, SHOWING THE EXISTING FENCE, IS THAT, IS THAT THE FENCE ON THE SIDE STREET OR IS THAT THE FENCE AT THE, UH, NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY? SO THAT IS THE, THE FENCE ON THE SIDE STREET ALONG BELL MAP. UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT 16, WE HAVE THE, THE PERSON IN, UH, IN THE OUTLINE STANDING NEXT TO IT. SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT THE SIX FOOT DOES IN COMPARISON TO THE ELEVATION OF THE REAR PATIO ELEVATION. PATIO ELEVATION, YOU CAN JUST SEE RIGHT OVER IT. UM, AND OF COURSE, THE CLOSER YOU GET INSIDE THE HOUSE, UM, WHICH THE, UM, WHAT SLIDE IS THIS? UM, I'M SORRY. UH, SLIDE 14 AND 15 SHOW THAT ELEVATION GETS HIGHER AND HIGHER. SO WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE THE HOUSE LOOKING OUT, YOU SEE RIGHT UP, UM, OVER THAT SIX FOOT HEIGHT. UM, AND SO THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE ARE SEEKING TO GET IS ANOTHER TWO FEET TO GIVE THE CLIENTS, UM, MORE PRIVACY AND JUST A MORE SECLUDED SPACE IN THEIR BACKYARD. WELL, IF THE INSIDE, LIKE THIS ONE, THE, IF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER IS STANDING ON THE WOOD DECK, THEY'RE LOOKING OVER A SIX FOOT FENCE ACROSS THE BELL BELL MAP. BUT IF YOU'RE ON THE SIDEWALK OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN'T SEE OVER THE SIX FOOT FENCE. SO THE WHICH WAY [01:45:01] ARE YOU TRYING TO GET PRIVACY? THE, FROM THAT, FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER NOT SEEING OUT, OR PEOPLE OUTSIDE SEEING IN FOR THE PROP PROPERTY? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER NOT SEEN OUT. UM, RIGHT NOW, BELKNAP IS A FAIRLY BUSY STREET. UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE BUFFER FROM THAT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THAT COMES ALONG BELKNAP, UM, AND JUST A, A MORE SECLUDED SETTING IN THEIR BACKYARD. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE, UH, THE DIAGRAM IS SHOWING IS THE EXISTING SIX FOOT HEIGHT ON SLIDE 16. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE PROPOSED, UM, EIGHT SEAT ON SLIDE, UH, 17. OF COURSE. THERE YOU HAVE, UM, THE EXISTING FENCE CHAIR. THIS IS CORRECT. UH, YES MA'AM. I, I THINK THAT YOU CHAIR HAD A VERY GOOD POINT. AND, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT, AT FENCING OR JUST IN GENERAL, EVERY REQUEST, WE WILL TRY TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, ISSUES FROM THE STREET. UM, WE HAVE APPROVED EIGHT FOOT FENCES WHEN THERE'S BEEN SECURITY ISSUES OR MORE ON LIKE ALLEY SIDES. THIS PROPERTY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 'CAUSE IT'S ON A CORNER. UM, I, I WOULD HAVE A DIFFICULT, UM, SUPPORTING THE EIGHT FEET, ESPECIALLY ON THIS CORNER BECAUSE OF THE, THE CONCRETE. SO IT'D BE ADDITIONAL EIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FOOT OR A FOOT AND A HALF. SO I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT NINE TOTAL, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT PART. UM, I WOULD'VE IT DIFFICULT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT. AND I ALSO FELT LIKE THE SITE PLAN DIDN'T REALLY EXACTLY SAY WHERE IS, IS IT GONNA BE EIGHT FEET, FOUR? I DON'T KNOW. WHAT IS IT GONNA BE SIX OR, UM, BECAUSE I SEE SOME THAT SAYS FOUR, SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANY, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S STEPPING DOWN, BUT THERE'S NO SIX FOOT AT ALL. UH, THERE WILL BE SIX FOOT. SO IF WE GO TO SLIDE 12, I, YEAH, THERE MAY BE A SLIGHT LAG IN YOU SEEING THE IMAGE, BUT WE DO HAVE SLIGHT THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. SO I SEE THAT LITTLE, THAT SIX. BUT YEAH, WE HAVE A COLOR CODED, UH, UH, SIDE PLAN IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER IS THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE WOULD BE THE BELL KN SIDE. THAT'S WHERE THAT, AND THE, ALONG THE, UH, EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THE EIGHT FOOT TALL. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS ALONG THE, THE SIDEWALK, UM, THE SIDEWALK IS LOWER THAN THE, UH, CLIENT'S BACKYARD. BUT AS YOU COME UP, UM, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO, UH, WESTPAC GARITA, UM, THAT ELEVATION IS HIGHER ON, ON THAT CORNER INTERSECTION. UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORNER, IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN AS YOU TRAVEL DOWN BELK MAP HEADING TOWARD THE, THE CLIENT'S GARAGE. UM, SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE OVER THE SIX FOOT NOW IF YOU ARE ON THAT, UH, CORNER INTERSECTION, WHICH IS SHOWN IN SLIDE SEVEN. SO THE, THE CITY SIDEWALK ISN'T A, A STAGNANT OR A A, A CONSISTENT HEIGHT. IT, IT DOES HAVE A LOT MORE ELEVATION CHANGE THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE, THE INTERSECTION OR THAT CORNER. UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO UP THE HEIGHT AND, UM, INCREASE THE, UH, THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THAT, THAT SIDE FENCE. CHAIRMAN, MR. LUNE? YES, SIR. UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GRU. UM, I FEEL LIKE AN, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE WOULD BE VERY IMPOSING TO PEDESTRIANS ON THE, ON THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. AND, UM, ALSO THE A SIX FOOT FENCE ON TOP OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE CONCRETE WALL, WHICH MAY BE ABOUT TWO FOOT FENCE, TWO FEET HIGH, WOULD, UH, IN ESSENCE GIVE YOU AN EIGHT FOOT HEIGHT ANYWAY FROM THE, UH, EXTERIOR SIDE. UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN THIS LOCATION. I WOULD, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. AND, UH, THERE ARE AL ALWAYS OPTIONS FOR LANDSCAPE SCREENING THAT ARE TALLER THAN THE FENCE. SO THAT BE, MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? [01:50:01] YES, SIR. UM, I CONCUR WITH, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND WITH THE CHAIR ON ON THIS, I, I FEEL LIKE, UM, STAFF AND THE MONTE UH, ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE COMMITTEE HAS THIS, RIGHT? SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, BUT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, MR. CHAIR, I'LL SECOND THAT. I, I, BUT I, I WANNA TO COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO THAT SECOND. ALRIGHT. UM, I, I THINK THAT IT, IT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THE APPLICANT TO PULL THIS APPLICATION, UH, OR TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE OR, OR THAT THE MAKER OF THE MOTION RESCIND THE MOTION AND ASK FOR A D R C. IT, IT, IT'S ALMOST AS IF YOU IT TO ACHIEVE THAT SOLUTION. IT, IT, IT ALMOST REQUIRES THAT THE FENCE OR THE IDEA OF THE, OF THE BOUNDARY, RIGHT, THAT IS CREATED, THAT IT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE, THE VERTICAL, UM, UM, SOME, SOME KIND OF A GRADUATION OF, OF A VERTICALITY SO THAT THEY CAN ACHIEVE THE, THE, UM, THE THE, UH, UM, UH, RESULT THAT THEY WANNA ACHIEVE. UH, LOOKING AT THE INTERIOR AND, AND YOU, YOU KNOW, OF THAT SITE, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT, IT JUST SEEMS THAT THAT, THAT A SIMPLE WOOD EIGHT FOOT WOOD FENCE, UH, WHILE IT GIVES THEM THE PRIVACY ON THE INSIDE, IT WILL DETRACT FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT PERHAPS THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO COMING BACK WITH A DESIGN THAT ENABLES THEM TO ACHIEVE, UH, WHAT, WHAT THEY WANT TO ACHIEVE. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE SOLUTION IS GONNA END UP BEING A MUCH GREATER INVESTMENT, UH, THAN, UM, THAN A WOOD FENCE, WHICH MAY BE THE WHOLE REASON WHY THEY SUGGESTED A WOOD FENCE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I DID WANNA, THIS IS MATT STEVENSON. I DID WANNA ADD A COUPLE MORE THINGS. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE Y'ALL TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE ELEVATION ON THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK, UM, AND, AND JUST WHAT THAT AESTHETIC OR THAT OVERALL VIEW WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, BUT YOU'RE ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE ELEVATION OF THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE LOOKING OUT AND OVER THE, THE SIX FOOT HALL HEIGHT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. I, I WOULD THINK THAT MAIN CONCERN IS, MAY I HAVE A ROLL? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? YES. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ NAYYY AREOLA ABSTAIN. SORAN AYE. C AYE. AYE. BOWMAN. AYE BET. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NOW THIS DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE APPLICANT COMING BACK WITH ANOTHER, UH, APPLICATION WITH A MODIFIED DESIGN OR EVEN, UH, ASKING FOR A D R C FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. IT DOESN'T, UH, PRECLUDE HIM FROM DOING THAT, BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NEXT ITEM'S ITEM 21. [21. 21-3749 Address/Description: 116 CAMARGO HDRC Case No.: 2021-235 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: catherine nored/Nored Architecture Request: Construction of a 1-story rear addition, rehabilitation City Council Dist.: 1] RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 2 35 1 16 CAMARGO, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO, ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH AND REPLACE WITH THE WOOD PORCH. TWO, REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE BASED STUCCO AND REPLACE WITH A BREATHABLE STUCCO. THREE. RECONSTRUCT COLLAPSED REAR CALICHE BLOCK WALLS FOUR, DEMOLISH THE REAR EDITION AND FIVE, CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY REAR EDITION. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING B. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE STUCCO REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE STUCCO BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW. ANY EXTERIOR PAINTING WILL ALSO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE EXISTING CALICHE BLOCK WALLS BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT ANY NEW MATERIAL INTRODUCED TO THE SITE FOR THE CCHI BLOCK BLOCK WALL RECONSTRUCTION IS SUBMITTED TO STAFF TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT ANY SALVAGEABLE CALICHE BLOCKS ARE REUSED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW ADDITION OR STORED ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE. AND ITEM FIVE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN WITH MORE TRADITIONAL WOOD, UH, WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE STRUCTURE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND TWO, THAT [01:55:01] THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. AND AS A CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT, UM, SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED HAS CONSENTED TO, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS AND HAS SUBMITTED UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS, UM, MEETING STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE APPLICANT KATHERINE NORAD IS ON THE LINE IF, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR KATHERINE, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S KIND OF DEALT WITH. UM, YOU, YOU HAVE, UH, CONSENTED TO AND AGREED WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES, I HAVE. THANK YOU. THEN I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND QUEZ BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO, WE DON'T. I APOLOGIZE. I STEPPED AWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION APPROVAL. UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENT? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES, SIR. YEAH, I, I, UH, GENERALLY SUPPORT, UH, THE MOTION AS PRESENTED. I JUST HAD ONE, ONE CONCERN ABOUT THE ADDITION. UH, THERE WAS STAFF MADE MENTION OF, OF THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOWS BACK THERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A SLIDING GLASS DOOR THAT I THINK IS KIND OF QUESTIONABLE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF, UH, THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE. SO I WAS WONDERING IF PERHAPS AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UH, THE COMMISSIONER THAT POSED THE, UH, THE MOTION WOULD MAYBE MAKE, UH, ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT THAT IF, IF, UH, PERHAPS UH, FRENCH DOORS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE MORE KEEPING THIS, THIS IS CATHERINE THE ARCHITECT. UM, THE ROOM, I, I EXPLORED THAT THE ROOM IS SO SMALL. UH, WE WERE, WE INTENTIONALLY KEPT IT SMALL. WE WANT TO KEEP THE FOOTPRINT SMALL. UM, FRENCH DOORS WE'RE JUST TAKING, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE, THE SPACE ESSENTIALLY USELESS. AND I BELIEVE I DO SEE, UH, A STANDARD DOOR JUST NEXT TO THE SLIDING, THE PROPOSED SLIDE. MM-HMM. . AND THAT WOULD, THAT SLIDING DOOR WOULD MEET THE, MEET THE, THE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS. WOULD THAT BE A WOOD? WOULD BE WOOD, YES. GIVEN, GIVEN THAT IT WOULD MEET THE MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE OTHER WINDOWS AND AND DOORS, I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT AS PRESENTED. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M, I'M, I'VE BEEN SUPPORTED THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. I MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. HERNANDEZ. AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. ERON. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP. AYE. BOWMAN. AYE. ZER. AYE. LIFO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS ITEM 20. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE WITH THE APPLICANT? I AM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 [22. 21-3764 Address/Description: 1630 E HOUSTON ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-219 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Mario Barajas/Mario Electric Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 2] H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 2 19 6 30 EAST HOUSTON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT 1630 EAST HOUSTON STREET. LOCATED WITHIN THE DIG WOODY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE PROPOSED SIGNAGE JUST TO INCLUDE AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET AND INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED SIGNAGE THAT FEATURES METAL CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING METAL FACES AND EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD RESULT IN UNIFORM SIGNAGE FOR EACH TENANT SPACE. THE TEMPORARY WALL SIGN AND WINDOW GRAPHIC CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN THE STOREFRONT SYSTEM HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED AND HAVE NOT BEEN REQUESTED AS PART OF PART OF THIS APPLICATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS SIGNAGE BE REMOVED OR APPLIED FOR. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, MATTHEW, ON THE LINE FROM, UH, MARIO ELECTRIC. YES. HELLO? YES, SIR, GO AHEAD. YEAH, THESE ARE FRONT, FRONT LEG CHANNEL LETTERS. IT'LL BE, UH, LIMITED WITH L E D LIGHTING AND ALSO, UH, IT'LL HAVE COIL ALL AROUND IT, BLACK ALUMINUM COIL WITH A, A CHANNEL LETTER FACE. IT IS LIKE AN OVAL. IT'S ALSO AS WELL WITH A FRONT PLEXIGLASS WITH A TRIM CAP AROUND IT AS WELL. [02:00:07] OKAY. UM, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING? WHO ME? YES, SIR. WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING THAT THAT SIGN, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A FRIENDLY CHANNEL LETTERS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, WHERE IT SAYS FLURRIES, THAT'S A CHANNEL LETTERS, INDIVIDUAL LETTERS. THEY'LL LIKE THE, THE, THE FRONT FACE, WHICH IS ACRYLIC WIRE ACRYLIC, AND THE ONE ON THE TOP, THE OVAL IS ALSO ACRYLIC. WITH A DIGITAL PRINT, IT WILL LIGHT UP AT NIGHT DURING THE DAY, IT WILL LOOK. AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. THANK YOU. UH, FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONER GROUP, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, WE DO. UM, IT COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL RESORT DISTRICT. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A COHESIVE SIGNAGE PROGRAM THAT CONFORMS TO THE GUIDELINES AND ADDS TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THIS HIGHLY VISIBLE BUILDING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU? YES, I I THINK THE APPLICANT MAY NOT, UM, REALLY REALIZE THE DETAILS AND, AND HOW THE GUIDELINES WORK. I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT IF WE CAN DO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE OR TALK TO STAFF. UM, I MEAN, I FEEL THAT WE, WE KIND OF, I MEAN, STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS ONE. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALWAYS TRY TO GET MASTER SIGNAGE KIND OF DONE BY THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING. SO TO THE APPLICANT, THERE'S TWO, TWO ITEMS. WE WANNA SEE IF THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING COULD PROVIDE YOU WITH A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN BECAUSE OF THE OTHER TENANTS THAT ARE GONNA COME AND, AND, AND GET SIGNAGE. I THINK THE SIZE IS FINE, BUT THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT YOU WANTING, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NORMALLY ALSO ACCEPT, UM, IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I THINK A D R C WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THAT A MOTION COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, I, I, UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP, UH, 100% AND I MOVE FOR, UH, THIS PROJECT TO BE, UH, ADDED TO A, UH, D R C IN THE NEAR FUTURE. MR. CHAIR, I'LL SECOND THAT. VELASQUEZ, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT WITH RESPECT TO, UH, UH, THE, UH, MASTER PLAN, UM, REQ REQUIREMENT. LET, LET US RE REMEMBER OR RECALL THE, THE, UH, CASE EARLIER AND COREY'S COMMENTS SO THAT WE DON'T PUT OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE JUST DOUBLING UP ON SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, UH, KIND OF A, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A RESPONSE TO FROM STAFF. WE CAN'T MANDATE THE, UM, THE OVERARCHING MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THIS IS AN APPLICANT WITH ONE SIGN BEFORE US. WE, WE JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? PANAS? AYE. ISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ AYE. AREOLA. AREOLA MIGHT HAVE STEPPED OUT. SUMER RUN. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP? AYE. BOWMAN? AYE. THATOR? AYE. LAO. AYE. OLA. OKAY. UH, MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT, UH, WE COULD NOT REACH THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 23. UM, SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE CHAIR, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 24 AND WE CAN COME BACK TO 23 ONCE WE REACH THAT APPLICANT. UM, SO WE, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM. CASE NUMBER 24, [24. 21-3768 Address/Description: 2119 N IH 35 HDRC Case No.: 2021-218 Historic District Name: Government Hill Applicant: Pedro Ramos/PR Custom Signs Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 2] CASE NUMBER 20 21 2 18. AT 2119 NORTH INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL, TWO ROOFTOP SIGNS, ONE BLADE SIGN, AND MISCELLANEOUS WINDOW DECALS AND BANNERS. TWO, CONSTRUCT A FREE STANDING WOOD STAGE IN THE FRONT BAY WINDOW. THREE, EXPAND THE FRONT COVERED PORCH WITH NEW SHED ROOFING COLUMNS, STEPS AND ATTACHED TO WOOD BOX. AND FOUR, INSTALL OUTDOOR PATIO DINING AREA, INCLUDING FURNITURE, ARTIFICIAL TURF, AND GRAVEL AREAS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE SIGNAGE AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH F. REGARDING TOTAL SIGNAGE FOOTAGE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE, MATERIAL ILLUMINATION, AND PROHIBITED SIGN TYPE. REFERRING TO NEW ROOF MOUNTED SIGNS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT A SIGNAGE PLAN IS REDUCED AND REVISED PER THE GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE BEFORE RESUBMISSION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO. STAGE CONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT [02:05:01] THE STAGE IS RELOCATED TO AN AREA THAT DOES NOT OBSCURE ANY PRIMARY HISTORIC FEATURE SUCH AS A REAR YARD OR REDUCED IN SIZE IN A DIFFERENT FRONT YARD CORNER. THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH ANY NOISE OR USE RESTRICTIONS OR ANY OTHER RELATED BUILDING CODE PER THE DESIGNATED ZONING. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE PORSCHE MODIFICATIONS. THE PORT SHOULD BE RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE, CONFIGURATION AND MATERIAL BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR OUTDOOR PATIO INSTALLATION WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL FURNITURE FEATURE SIMPLE DESIGNS, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS, AND EXCLUDE BRANDING OR SIGNAGE. UH, THIS CASE DOES COME TO US AS A VIOLATION CASE. I BELIEVE THE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS THE NEW TENANT OWNER SINCE, UH, IT IT WAS PASSED ON FROM THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS. UH, HECTOR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR POSITION ON THESE ITEMS, KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE'S A DELAY IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT YOUR ADDITIONAL PRESENTATION DOCUMENTS ARE AT THE END OF THE CASE FILE. SO JUST LET US KNOW WHAT PAGE YOU'RE REFERRING TO. GO AHEAD, HECTOR. YES. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS HECTOR SISE. I'M THE NEW OPERATOR OF AT A D A. AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT MY CASE. I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SHARE, I GUESS, UH, WHAT, WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE. UH, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SIGNAGE. UM, MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE LOCATED ON I 35. UM, WE'RE LOCATED NEXT TO SONIC BEST WESTERN, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I CONSIDER THESE TO BE A NATIONAL CHAIN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I FEEL THAT A SIGN THAT THAT LIGHTS UP COMPLETELY, UM, IS MUCH NEEDED FOR A SMALL BUSINESS, UH, TO, TO SHOW THAT WE'RE THERE, THAT WE'RE ALIVE. UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD A LONG TIME AGO THAT IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE A MARKET LEADER, IF YOU'RE NOT A MARKET LEADER, LIKE A NATIONAL FRANCHISE WHERE YOU SHOULD BE A FAST FOLLOWER, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS SIGN WAS INSTALLED, UH, DURING 2020, WHICH WAS, UH, UH, I GUESS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID. UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS SHUT DOWN. AND I KNOW THAT WE, WE GOT WITH OUR SEWING COMPANY, YOU KNOW, HE WENT AHEAD AND SUBMITTED HIS, UH, PLANS. I'M NOT SURE HOW IT GOT OVERSEEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR, FOR US TO TAKE DOWN, TAKE DOWN THE SIGN, UM, AND THROW AWAY $10,000, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR A NEW BUSINESS OWNER, A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER TO, TO SWALLOW, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. SO I GUESS WE TALK ABOUT THE ILLUMINATION. UM, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET IS, UH, TWO HUMONGOUS SIGNS, AND I THINK IT'S IN ONE OF THOSE, UH, UM, POWERPOINTS WHERE A BEST WESTERN AND, AND SONIC. UH, AGAIN, I DON'T SEE THAT THE ILLUMINATION IS AN ISSUE. I DON'T THINK THAT THE SIZE COMPARED TO THE SONIC OR THE BEST WESTERN SIGN, UH, WHICH ARE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORS, UH, IS AN ISSUE. UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITH SIGNAGE TO PROMOTE THEIR BUSINESS IN, IN THE GOVERNMENT HILL. UH, BEST WESTERN HAS USED THE SAME MATERIAL, SAME CHANNEL LETTERING, UH, WITH THE L E D LIGHTING, UH, AS WELL AS OTHER TYPES OF SIGNS IN THE AREA THAT ARE, I THINK, MORE CONCERNING IN APPEARANCE, UH, WHICH WE'VE INCLUDED, UH, PHOTOS OF IN, IN, IN THESE, UH, IN THIS POWERPOINT, UH, WE'VE INCLUDED SOME OF THE SIGNS IN KING WILLIAM AS WELL. UH, ONE OF THEM THAT I GUESS, UH, UH, WAS, WAS, UH, WAS, UH, ONE THAT STOOD OUT WAS ROSARIOS, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A REALLY BIG NEON SIGN AT A CORNER ON TOP OF, WITH A LARGE BILLBOARD ON THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROOF. UH, WE, THERE'S ALSO THE GOOD KIND, UH, WHICH HAS A ROOF MOUNTED SIGN AND THE FORMER FEAST RESTAURANT, WHICH HAS THE ENTIRE BUILDING ILLUMINATED WITH THEIR SIGN. UM, AS FAR AS THE SIGN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE, UH, WHAT WE HAD. SHOULD I KEEP GOING WITH THE OTHER ITEMS OR WE STOP HERE? NO, GO AHEAD AND, AND MAKE YOUR FULL PRESENTATION, AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. OKAY. UH, AS FAR AS THE ITEM TWO, THE STAGE, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE THAT THE FREESTANDING STAGE, UH, UH, BLOCKS ANY PART OF HISTORIC FEATURES. UH, I'M ALSO NOT SURE YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE REAR YARD IS OB IS OBSCURED. UH, OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, NEXT DOOR HAS A 10 FOOT WALL THAT I BELIEVE WAS APPROVED. AND I THINK THAT HIDES MUCH MORE THAN OUR STAGE DOES. UM, YOU KNOW, I [02:10:01] THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'RE ABLE TO REMOVE IF, IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN REMOVE THE TOP, UM, AND JUST HAVE THE, THE BOTTOM PART. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S ANY MORE DISRUPTIVE THAN A 10 FOOT WALL, UM, THAT BLOCKS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BACKYARD MORE. UH, AS FAR AS THE PORCH, UH, THE PORCH, IT, IT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ORIG. WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE PLACE, IT, THE, THE ORIGINAL PORTRAIT WAS, WAS, UH, I GUESS UPDATED. WE, WE INCLUDED SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PICTURES, UH, OF THE ORIGINAL ONE, AND THE EXTENSION WAS NEEDED AS WE ARE A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS FLOODING, PUDDLING, AND DAMAGING OF, UH, OF THE, OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE PITCH THAT IT WAS CAUSING FROM THE ROOF. SO WE HAD THE ROOF, UH, RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, WE FELT THAT WOULD, WOULD, THAT WE FELT THAT IT WAS, UM, A, A HAZARD, IF YOU WILL, FOR, UH, PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT. AND BEING THAT WE ARE COMMERCIAL USE, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING OUT TO THE, TO THE FRONT GARDEN, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO, TO CREATE THAT SAFETY, NOT ONLY FOR OUR STAFF, BUT FOR OUR PATRONS. UH, THE FLOW OF OUR ESTABLISHMENT RUNS OUT THE FRONT DOORS OF THE GARDEN, AND IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WITH US, IT WOULD BE A DANGER, UH, WITH THE SIZE OF THE PORCH WITH SOMEBODY WALKING UP AND SOMEBODY COMING OUT THAT FRONT DOOR. UH, WE USED THE, THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT WAS ALREADY PRESENT. UH, WE ADDED ORIGINAL COLUMNS THAT WEREN'T THERE ON THE, THAT WERE THERE IN THE, UH, ESTABLISHMENT TUCKED AWAY. UH, WE FELT THAT IT WOULD ADD, UH, UH, CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, A HISTORIC CHARACTER TO THE, TO THE FRONT PORCH. UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO STOP THE WARPING, THE ROTTING, UH, THE FLOODING, UH, FROM THE RAIN, UH, THERE IN THE DECK. I MEAN, THERE IN THE PATIO. UH, ANOTHER, ANOTHER REASON FOR THE, UH, FOR THE EXTENSION WAS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE COVERED DECK. UH, AND WITH, WITH RAIN COMING IN, UH, ON THE SIDE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CAUSING, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS CAUSING US NOT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THAT PATIO. UH, LET ME SEE HERE. WE, WE USED, UH, WE USED THE ORIGINAL STEPS. UH, WE USED THE EXISTING COLOR CODES, UH, AND WE WANTED TO LEAVE A CLEAN SAFE AND A TRAFFIC FRIENDLY, UH, ENTRANCE. AND THEN LASTLY, I THINK WE HAD, UM, UH, SOME OF THE BRANDING, UH, I GUESS I WAS TOLD THAT WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY BRANDING, UH, OUT, OUT FRONT. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, UH, THERE'S A PICTURE OF, UH, SOME UMBRELLAS THAT WE HAVE ON SOME OF THE, UH, BARRELS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE, WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE FOR A CLEAN LOOK. UM, ON THE OUTSIDE, WE FEEL THAT WE'VE MADE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO DO SO, UH, WE FEEL THAT WE'VE ADDED VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, WE'VE INCLUDED PHOTOS FROM THE FRIENDLY SPOT THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THERE'S A TON OF METAL BRAND BRANDING AND SIGNS ALL OVER THEIR WALLS. UH, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW MY, MY UMBRELLAS CREATE, UH, A BAD TASTE FOR ANYONE. BUT AGAIN, IF NEEDED, WE COULD REPLACE THESE UMBRELLAS WITH NON-BRANDED. I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE, UH, WHERE THE RULES APPLY AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO LEAVE, UH, THE COMMISSION AND AS WELL AS I GUESS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. UM, YES, WE HAVE A COUPLE. UM, THIS COMES FROM PATTY ZION, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. WHILE WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO SEE A NEW BUSINESS IN THIS HISTORIC HOME, WE CONCUR WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE REMOVAL OF NON-CONFORMING SIGNAGE THAT, UM, THAT THE FRONT PORCH BE RESTORED AND THAT THE STAGE RE RELOCATED AS TO NOT OBSCURED THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS STRUCTURE. UM, AND SECONDLY, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL, UM, TO BE PLAYED. THIS IS MARLENE HAWKINS. I LIVE AT 6 0 1 EAST CARSON IN GOVERNMENT HILL, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT THE CASE 21 37 68, 21 19 NORTH I H 35. THE SIGNS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED ARE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE. THE BUSINESS APPEARS TO BE FLOURISHING. THAT'S GREAT. THE OUTSIDE STAGE MENTIONED IN IS A BAD IDEA. IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS, SEVERAL PEOPLE, FOUR PEOPLE HAVE CALLED THAT LIVE UP TO FIVE BLOCKS AWAY ABOUT THE MUSIC NOISE. ANYTHING THAT LEAVES THE PERIMETERS OF THE PROPERTY CAN BE A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE DON'T WANT [02:15:01] THIS TO BE A NEGATIVE. THE MUSIC SHOULD BE KEPT INDOORS. WE WANT THE BUSINESS TO SUCCEED, BUT NOT AS A NEGATIVE. THE PATIO AREA ALREADY HAS 14 TABLES WITH UMBRELLAS. THE O H P WILL HAVE TO SEE IF THIS MEETS THEIR GUIDELINES FOR FURNITURE, BUT PLEASE DENY THE SIGNAGE THAT IS BEING REQUESTED IN THIS CASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIR? I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, YES, COURSE. CORY, AM AM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THIS SIGN WAS APPROVED AT SOME LEVEL, UM, DO THE SERVICES OR NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. WE, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YES. UH, THE SIGN WAS NOT PERMITTED NOR, UH, UH, RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THERE WAS EITHER A MISUNDERSTANDING WITH THE SIGNAGE CONTRACTOR, UM, AND, UH, THE NEW BUSINESS OWNER. AND, AND THE MIS YOU, YOU MEAN THAT, THAT THE SIGNAGE, MAYBE THE SIGNAGE CONTRACTOR WAS REQUIRED TO GET PERMITS AND DIDN'T, AND THE OWNER THOUGHT THAT HE DID CAN THE CORRECT AND THE OWNER CAN, CAN YOU ANS CAN YOU ANSWER TO, UH, ANSWER THE, THAT QUESTION OR CLARIFY ON THE SIGN? UH, YES, SIR. SO THE CON THE SIGN CONTRACTOR SAID THAT, UH, HIT, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, I GUESS AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THAT HAD GIVEN HIM THE GREEN LIGHT TO INSTALL THE SIGN. UH, I THINK THE MISCOMMUNICATION THAT HE SAID THAT THERE WAS WAS BETWEEN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE HISTORIC. HMM. OKAY. WE'RE NOT AWARE THAT PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED, BUT WE WERE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER. OKAY. I, I WANNA TELL THE, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT THAT I, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THE PICTURES OF FEAST AND THE FRIENDLY SPOT AND, UH, I, I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT THE SIGN THAT, THAT YOU HAVE THERE, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THE PART THAT SAYS FOOD, DRINKS, SPORTS, AND MUSIC'S PROBABLY NOT NECESSARY. BUT WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN AT FEAST AND SOME OF THE SIGNS IN SOUTH TOWN THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COVETED HISTORIC PRESERVATION AREAS, THAT CERTAINLY THE 88 CEIA SIGN IS, IS, IS NOT ANY, ANY MORE GAUDY OR ANY MORE INAPPROPRIATE THAN THE SIGN IT FEAST. UM, I'LL, I'LL HAND OVER TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES, SIR. MR. CARPENTER, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THIS, UH, AND THE, UH, OWNER MENTIONED RULES, YOU KNOW, AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OUR GUIDELINES AND CONTEXT IS SO IMPORTANT. I THINK, UH, PARTICULARLY THE CONTEXT FOR THIS IS STRUCTURED WAS RADICALLY ALTERED BY THE, THE FREEWAY. IT'S BASICALLY FRONTING, UH, FURNITURE ROAD. UH, SO YEAH, I'M, I'M PERSONALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE OWNER PROMOTING HIS BUSINESS WITH HIS SIGN. UM, LESS SO WITH THE, UH, THE UMBRELLA THAT'S PROMOTING BUD LIGHT OR OTHER, OTHER BUSINESSES. I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT THINGS CAN STILL BE, UH, KIND OF TAMED DOWN A BIT AND STILL BE COLORFUL AND FESTIVAL AND, AND, UH, FESTIVE AND, AND DRAW PEOPLE THERE. I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT, IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A D R C OUT ON THE SITE AND REALLY SORT OF EXPERIENCE THAT CONTEXT FIRSTHAND BECAUSE I THINK THERE CAN BE SOME BENDING OF THE, OF THE GUIDELINES WITH THE SIGNAGE BASED UPON, UH, THAT RADICALLY CHANGED CONTEXT. SO I, I MOVE THAT THE PROJECT BE REFERRED TO A V R C IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, YES, SIR. UM, I'LL, I, I CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, UH, ON THE CONTEXT IS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE AND SUPPORT HIS MOTION. SO I'LL SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A SIDE D R C. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. HERANDEZ AYE FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. AREOLA. OH, HE HAS LEFT. I'M SORRY. SUMER RUN. AYE, CARPENTER. AYE. RUBE. AYE. BOWMAN, BOWMAN, ZER. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UH, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS SITE VISIT, IF STAFF WOULD, UH, FOLLOW UP ON RESEARCH FOR WHETHER A SIGNAGE PERMIT HAD BEEN ISSUED. D S D? YES. UH, I, I CAN ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW. ACTUALLY, THE, THE SIGNAGE PERMIT HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED IN THE CURRENT D S D PORTAL. IT SAYS IT'S STILL PENDING HISTORIC REVIEW, WHICH IT HAD BEEN FOR MONTHS. BUT, BUT WE WILL GO FURTHER AND WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE OUT [02:20:01] WHEN AND IF AN APPLICATION WAS EVEN SUBMITTED AND, AND BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU. THANK, UM, SO WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM 23 AT [23. 21-3727 Address/Description: 245 W WILDWOOD HDRC Case No.: 2020-436 Historic District Name: Olmos Park Terrace Applicant: McGovern, Timothy & Chelsea Request: Construction of a 1-story rear addition, fenestration modifications, exterior alterations City Council Dist.: 1] THIS TIME. UM, RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? YES, GO AHEAD. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 4 36 2 45 WEST WILDWOOD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 1000 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY REAR ADDITION, TWO PARTIALLY ENCLOSED THE FRONT PORCH TO INCLUDE A NEW FRONT DOOR LOCATION AND WINDOW. AND THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH CONCRETE PAVERS. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH K STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS AND THE HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND IN THE ALMOST PARK TERRA HISTORIC DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS H THROUGH J TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS AS NOTED IN FINDING J WITH STAFF STANDARD, UH, WITH WINDOWS STIPULATIONS. AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN. ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF FRONT PORCH ENCLOSURE BASED ON FINDING L. STAFF FINDS THAT RESTORING THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR OPENING WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE INTERVENTION IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE FRONT PORCH ENCLOSURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A SOUTH FACING FRONT DOOR CENTERED ON THE EXTERIOR WALL IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING OPENING TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINS THE EXISTING EAST FACING DOOR OPENING. THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED CIRCULAR WINDOW IS NOT INSTALLED ON THE NEW EXTERIOR WALL. FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWING FOR THE FRONT PORTION CLOSURE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF DRIVEWAY REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACES THE FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS EXISTING. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE GRAVEL TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE GRAVEL SHOULD FEATURE A NATURAL COLOR SHADOW STONE IS NOT PERMITTED, AND THE APPLICANT CHELSEA MCGOVERN IS ON THE LINE. CHELSEA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR REQUEST AT THIS TIME? YES, PLEASE. HOW DO Y'ALL? UM, SO I HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF Y'ALL WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DESIGNS AND, UM, HER, UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I HAD REDRAWN EVERYTHING AND STARTED OVER FROM SCRATCH. SO, UM, ORIGINALLY I WANTED TO ADD A SECOND STORY TO MY HOUSE AND, UM, I FOUND THAT I COULD MEET MY REQUIREMENTS FOR MY HOME. I WANTED A MINIMUM OF A FOUR BEDROOM, TWO BATH HOUSE WITH AN ADDITIONAL, UH, OFFICE SPACE, SO NOT INCLUDING ONE OF THE FOUR BEDROOMS. UM, AND THIS DESIGN, UH, SATISFIES MY NEEDS AND I ALSO WANTED A LARGER KITCHEN. SO WE HAVE LIVED IN THIS HOUSE GOING SINCE 2008. AND, UM, RACHEL, DO YOU WANNA PULL UP THE POWERPOINT? THE P D F? YES, AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE FLOOR PLANS, UM, AND WE'LL MOVE DOWN TO THE RENDERINGS AS WELL. OKAY. SO, UM, SO, UH, RIGHT, I MEAN, ACCORDING TO WHAT I'VE WORKED WITH WITH RACHEL IS THAT THE CARPORT AND THE CARPORT LOOK HAVE ALL BEEN APPROVED. OKAY. SO HERE WE ARE AT THE, UM, FLOOR PLAN. SO I'M ADDING A MASTER SUITE ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHICH IS THE CONVERTED GARAGE ALREADY. UM, UH, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE IT A TRUE MASTER SUITE. SO IT COMES OUT ANOTHER 20 FEET ON THAT LEFT SIDE, WHICH IS THE EAST SIDE, THE YELLOW PART. UM, AND THEN THE PINK SUNROOM WAS AN ADDITION. IT WAS AN ENCLOSED, UH, PATIO AND IN THE SIXTIES, 'CAUSE WE MET THE ORIGINAL HOMEOWNER'S DAUGHTER AND SHE LET US KNOW THAT HER DAD DID THAT. UM, AND SO I WANNA JUST CHANGE THAT INTO A BEDROOM AND TWO BATHROOMS. SO HERE, YEAH, RACHEL, YOU CAN GO DOWN TO THE FRONT VIEW. LET'S SEE. UH, PERFECT. AND WE CAN SEE THAT NOW ON OUR END. CHELSEA, IT MIGHT JUST TAKE A COUPLE SECONDS FOR YOU TO SEE THAT. PAGE FIVE. YOU'RE ON PAGE FIVE. WHAT PAGE ARE YOU? CORRECT? YES. OKAY. SO, UM, THIS IS REALLY JUST [02:25:01] MY EXPLANATION FOR THE CARPORT. UM, I WAS THINKING ABOUT CHANGING THE DRIVEWAY TO THE PAVERS, SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE STABLE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UM, A VERY, UM, THE, THE ALMOST BASIN IS A CLAY PAN AND IT IS HIGHLY, UM, SHRINKING AND SWELLING OF CLAY MATERIAL. UM, I AM A GEOLOGIST, SO I DO KNOW ABOUT THE SHRINKING AND SWELLING. I WANT TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE IT PERMEABLE SO THAT WHEN WE DO HAVE RAIN, IT'S NOT BEING WASHED AWAY AND WE CAN HOPEFULLY RETAIN A MORE CONSISTENT MOISTURE. AND, UM, RIGHT NOW THE DRIVEWAY IS CRACKING AND BREAKING OFF. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF SLIDE FIVE, UM, THE GARAGE SIDE WALL WAS, IS SHIPLAP. IT WAS REDONE, I THINK IN THE EIGHTIES, IS WHAT I CAN DETECT. UM, BUT THE ROCK ACTUALLY FELL OFF IN THE EIGHTIES, AND MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TOLD ME THAT THEY HEARD THIS LOUD COMMOTION AND WENT OUT AND ALL THE ROCK HAD FALLEN OFF. SO THEY REMOVED THE ROCK AND PUT SOME OF IT ON THE, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE SUNROOM AT THAT TIME. AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO RERO THAT WEST WALL AND MAKE IT MORE ORIGINAL OR BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LOOK. SO BECAUSE OF THE MOVEMENT OF THE CLAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN TERMS OF, UM, OF THE SHRINKING AND SWELLING AND THE GARAGES IN, IN ALL OF ALMOST PARK TERRACE ARE JUST A, WERE ORIGINALLY DIRT FLOORS AND PEOPLE HAVE GONE IN AND PUT SOME VERY UN STRUCTURALLY, UH, IN, IN INTEGRAL, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW, CEMENT FLOORS DOWN AND CONVERTED THEM THAT WAY. AND INSIDE YOU CAN FEEL THAT THERE'S LIKE A HUGE GAPING LIKE TREND TOWARDS THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S SLOPING THAT WAY. SO ANYWAYS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT MORE OF A STRUCTURALLY SOUND, UM, SPACE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE HOUSE. UM, IF YOU GO DOWN TO SEVEN, PAGE SEVEN, RACHEL, YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THAT, UM, THE GARAGE WALL USED TO BE ROCK, AND ONCE THE ROCK FELL OFF, THEY PUT IN THESE, UH, NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND CALLED IT A BEDROOM. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO CONVERT IT AND WITH THE ADDITION, UH, EXTENDING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO DELINEATE A GROUT LINE OR SOMETHING SO THAT YOU CAN SAY THIS IS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE VERSUS THE NON-ORIGINAL HOUSE ON THE WEST SIDE. UM, IF YOU KEEP GOING DOWN RACHEL TO EIGHT. OKAY. SO ON PAGE EIGHT, THIS IS, UM, ALL OF MY WINDOWS EXCEPT THE THREE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS YOU SEE HERE ON THE BACKSIDE ARE PROPORTIONATE TO ALL THE WINDOWS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT IN THE THOMAN HOUSES. SO, UM, THEY ARE A 36 BY FIVE FEET, A 28 BY FIVE FEET, AND THEN A LIKE, UM, IT'S A 28 BY 42 FOOT FOR MOST OF THE BATHROOMS. UM, SO WITH MY BATHROOM DESIGNS, THE ONLY WAY I COULD GET A NATURAL LIGHT WINDOW INTO THEM AND HAVE THE TUB AND SHOWER IN THE BATHROOM, UM, WAS TO DO A HORIZONTAL WINDOW. AND I WAS UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT SINCE I HAVE PUT 'EM BACK UNDERNEATH THE EAVES OF THE HOUSE ON THE VERY BACK OF THE HOUSE, I FELT THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE TOO MUCH OF A, A PROBLEM WITH THE HISTORIC, UM, UH, INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE. AND YES, IT WILL BE OBVIOUSLY A, YOU KNOW, REMODEL ON THE BACKSIDE, BUT SINCE IT'S ON THE BACKSIDE AND NOT VISIBLE AT ALL UNTIL YOU WALK INTO THE BACKYARD, I FELT THAT IT WAS OKAY. UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO, CAN YOU GO TO [02:30:01] PAGE 10? ARE, ARE Y'ALL THERE? WE ARE, YES. OKAY. SO, UM, THE BIGGEST CONTROVERSY ON MY DESIGN IS THE CONVERSION OF THE FRONT PORCH. SO THE FRONT DOOR OF MY HOUSE IS FACING EAST. IT IS THE ONLY DOOR IN THE, ON THE BLOCK THAT DOES NOT FACE THE STREET. SO ORIGINALLY THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL, UH, DOOR THAT WENT INTO BEDROOM NUMBER ONE, AND, UM, ON, ON THE NEXT PAGE, WELL, PAGE 11, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ROCKED IT UP. AND I THINK THEY DID THAT ALSO IN THE EIGHTIES WITH THE ROCK THAT FELL OFF THE GARAGE WALL. BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DOOR WAS ON THE, ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE PICTURE. SO WHAT I WAS THINKING IS IF I MOVED THAT ENTIRE WALL FORWARD HALFWAY, UM, TO THE PORCH AND, AND MADE THAT THE FRONT DOOR, UM, THAT THEREFORE IT SOLVES TWO PROBLEMS. MY FRONT DOOR, UH, RIGHT NOW WALKS INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE LIVING ROOM AND PEOPLE, IT'S REALLY HARD CONFIGURATION WITH FURNITURE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, IT, IT, SO THAT MAKES A GOOD FRONT DOOR FOYER ENTRANCE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE BEING THAT BEDROOM NUMBER ONE WITH MY REMODEL DOESN'T HAVE A CLOSET ANYMORE, AND I NEED A CLOSET FOR THAT BEDROOM. SO IT'D BE A WALK-IN CLOSET ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PORCH OR THE EAST SIDE, AND THE LITTLE CIRCULAR WINDOW WOULD GO INTO THE CLOSET JUST GIVING IT NATURAL LIGHT. UM, SO IT WOULD ALLOW FOR, I CAN, I MEAN, I, THE FRONT PORCH FACING, OR THE STREET FACING DOOR USED TO BE THERE, AND IT WAS A 15 LIGHT, UH, DOOR. NOW THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR IS NOT THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR DOOR. IT, UH, THEY REPLACED IT. I DON'T KNOW WHEN. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR WITH A FRONT DOOR, BUT I'M OKAY WITH A 15 PAN, 15 LIGHT IF THAT IS WHAT IS NEEDED TO GET APPROVAL TO MAKE THIS A FRONT DOOR ENTRY FOR YOUR INJURY. UH, IF YOU GO TO PAGE 12, RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? YES, WE ARE. OKAY. SO I TOOK A PICTURE OF EVERY FRONT OF EVERY HOUSE ON MY BLOCK THAT IS HISTOR. THAT IS A THOMAN THAT IS THE FAR TOWARDS SAN PEDRO. THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT DORMANT. UM, ANYWAYS, SO AS YOU GO DOWN, THEY, EVERY SINGLE, UM, FRONT DOOR FACES THE STREET EXCEPT FOR MINE. AND YES, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MY FLOOR PLAN EXISTS ABOUT FIVE OR SIX TIMES, AND MOST OF THEM HAVE KEPT BOTH OF THOSE DOORS. ONE GOING TO BEDROOM ONE AND ONE BED, UH, ONE DOOR GOING TO THE LIVING ROOM. BUT I FEEL THAT CONVERTING HALF THE PORCH STILL LEAVES A LARGE FRONT PORCH, WHICH MOST OF THE HOUSES ON MY NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T HAVE A LARGE FRONT PORCH. I'M ONE OF THREE, I THINK, THAT HAVE AN ACTUAL REAL FRONT PORCH. AND SO I'D STILL HAVE A REAL FRONT PORCH. IT WOULD STILL BE 80 SQUARE FEET. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO DELINEATE THAT IT IS A CONVERTED FRONT PORCH BY USING A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, NOT REUSING THE ROCK AND MAYBE DOING A STUCCO OR A BOARD AND BATTEN OR WHATEVER SIDING THAT Y'ALL WOULD APPROVE. BUT I LIKED NUMBER 2 25 WEST WILDWOOD HAD STUCCO ON THE FRONT OF THEIR BRICK, UH, FROM DECADES AGO. AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC NATURE. AND, UM, THE CIRCLE WINDOW EXISTS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, NUMBER 2 59 WEST WILDWOOD, THERE'S A LITTLE CIRCLE WINDOW [02:35:01] TO THE TOP RIGHT. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I AM HOPING TO DO WITH MY HOUSE. . WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. UH, WE DO HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS AND THEN WE WILL GET WITH COMMISSIONERS. OKAY? YES. UM, JUST ONE FROM PATTY ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO DENY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH ENCLOSURE. THE PROPOSED WORK IS EITHER INCA INCOMPATIBLE WITH OR ALTERS THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE ORIGINAL 1930S HOUSE. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU. UM, I WANT TO THANK YOU MS. MCGOVERN FOR, UH, WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS REMODELING. AND I THINK YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY TO, UM, PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN, UH, GET TO A RESOLUTION. UM, COUPLE OF COMMENTS OF MINE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS. ONE IS ON THE, IT'S AT THE EAST ELEVATION, THE NEW EAST ELEVATION, WHICH I GUESS IS ON PAGE 10. UM, I'M SORRY, WEST ELEVATION. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE NEW MASTER BEDROOM IS. YEAH, THAT'S PAGE SEVEN. MM-HMM. . YEAH. UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU WANTING TO, UH, PUT THE STONE BACK ON THE PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT, UH, WHERE IT FELL OFF. UM, I WOULD NOT BE INCLINED TO EXTEND IT UP INTO THAT OFFSET GABLE, UH, POSSIBLY CHANGING THAT MATERIAL TO, UH, WOOD SIDING OR SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, MORE SIMILAR TO ONE OF THE, MORE OF THE FRONT GABLE, UH, THAT HAS WOOD SIDING ABOVE THE STONEWORK. SO THAT'S ONE, ONE THOUGHT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, I KNOW THE, THE FRONT PORCH IS A, A BIG CONCERN OF A LOT OF FOLKS AND YEAH. UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR, UH, PROPOSAL AND REQUEST. UM, THERE'S ALSO, AND THE PRECEDENT OF HAVING THAT, UH, OTHER DOOR THERE INTO BEDROOM ONE. UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, INSTEAD OF MAKING YOUR PORCH EDITION SO DEEP, IF YOU PUSHED IT TO THE NORTH SO THAT YOU COULD KEEP THE EXISTING ENTRY DOOR INTO THE LIVING ROOM AS WELL AS, UH, PUTTING A NEW DOOR INTO A SMALLER DEPTH ADDITION ON THE PORCH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT? UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK REALLY BAD. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE TWO DOORS, LIKE LITERALLY IN THE SAME CORNER, THERE WOULD BE JUST SOME FRAMING SEPARATING THEM. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES IN ORDER TO HAVE A CLOSET IN BEDROOM ONE, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO HEAR OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR. I, I, UH, I AGREE WITH YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, REALLY, REALLY STRONG COMMENTS. UM, I WANNA, UH, COMMEND THE, THE APPLICANT FOR SUCH A DETAILED PRESENTATION. UH, VERY THOROUGH, AND, UH, MOST DEFINITELY. UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHEN WE GET PRESENTATIONS FROM OWNERS, THIS IS KIND OF A, A GOOD MODEL STANDARD. RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOUR SENSITIVITY TO THE GROWTH OF THE BUILDING TOWARD THE REAR. UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS, UH, RIGHT, THAT COMES UP WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, UH, UM, EXPANSIONS OF, OF HOUSES AND THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON POINT, UH, TO THE, TO THE COMMENT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CHAIRMAN MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE MATERIAL ABOVE THE STONE. UH, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO, TO TO THINK OF THINGS IN TERMS OF A, UM, A LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR. THE THING, THE, THE FEW THINGS RIGHT. THAT, THAT CREATE THE, THE VOCABULARY. AND, AND, UH, UNLESS YOU'RE CREATING A BAROQUE BUILDING, IT'S BEST TO KEEP YOUR VOCABULARY VERY SIMPLE. SO WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU'RE DOING TO THE ABOVE THE STONE WITHIN THE GABLE, UM, IS PROBABLY, UH, UH, UH, GI GIVES YOU [02:40:01] A LANGUAGE TO, TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU DO WITH RESPECT TO THE ENTRY. NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE ENTRY, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU, THAT YOU'VE DISCOVERED THAT DOOR AND THE WAY THAT YOU PRESENTED THE IDEA OF KINDA RESTORING TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AT LEAST THE CURB APPEAL WITHOUT TRYING TO DUPLICATE THE MATERIAL. UH, I THINK THAT'S ALSO VERY, VERY, VERY, UH, VERY SENSITIVE AND I, I THINK GIVES YOU A LITTLE STRENGTH WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING WITH THE DOOR THAT DOESN'T, UH, THAT ISN'T, UH, UH, VIEWED FROM THE STREET. BUT OVERALL, UH, CONSIDERING THE, THE LENGTH OF THAT ODD, UH, G GABLE ON THE SIDE AND THE COMPLEXITY OF, OF THIS, OF THIS PROJECT AS A, AS AN OWNER, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I COMMEND YOU. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK THROUGH THESE PROCESSES THAT YOU'VE SEEN OF THE RIDICULOUSNESS THAT I HAD IN THE BEGINNING, AND NOW I AM A LITTLE BIT MORE PRAGMATIC, HOPEFULLY. OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? MR. CHAIR, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. I HAVE JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE OWNER APPLICANT. IF YOU COULD GO TO, UH, SLIDE 20 IN OUR PACKAGE. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD IS IF WE LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PLAN ON THE LEFT THERE, THERE'S THE BEDROOM TWO AND THERE IS A, A NORTH WALL THAT SEPARATES IT IN THE 1960S, UH, SUNROOM EDITION. IS THAT STONE RIGHT NOW? YES. ON THE, UH, UH, CAN, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN VISIBLY SEE FROM THE SUN SUNROOM? YES. THAT IT'S EXPOSED IN THE SUNROOM. OKAY. NOW GOING TO THE RIGHT, YOUR PROPOSED PLAN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH YOUR PROPOSAL IS THAT THERE'S APPEARS TO BE A LOT OF ERADICATING OF KIND OF THE ORIGINAL BOUNDS OF THE HOUSE. AND ARE YOU JUST STRIPPING THAT STONE OFF AND CREATING A STUD WALL INTERIOR TO SEPARATE THAT FROM THE CLOSET AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF BEDROOM THREE? CORRECT. I AM REUSING THAT STONE TO RE STONE THE WEST EXTERIOR WALL OF THE GARAGE. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT STONE IS COMING FROM, IS YOU'RE MAKING USE OF THAT AGAIN? YES, SIR. YEAH. I, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THE ORIGINAL STONE OTHERWISE. YEAH. UH, WHAT GETS A LITTLE CLOUDY FOR ME, IF, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY SUPER IMPOSE THOSE TWO PLANS OVER IS KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS STRUCTURALLY AS YOU GET INTO GOING TO THE UTILITY ROOM AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING, BECAUSE, UH, WHILE THAT'S NOT OUR CONCERN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I BEGIN TO GET A LITTLE, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, THINGS THAT JUMP OUT AT ME FROM A CONSTRUCTABILITY STANDPOINT AND THE IMPLICATIONS FOR ROOF FORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S A LITTLE MURKINESS GOING ON THERE ON HOW YOU'RE RESOLVING, UH, THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. YES. YEAH. YES. YEAH. SO THAT'S AND SO GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. WELL, SO MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT. UM, WE ARE ACTUALLY IN CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS. WE ARE ACTUALLY CABINET MAKERS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE KNOW A LOT OF THE INDUSTRY FOLKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS AND WHATNOT. UM, SO HE ALSO SAID THE SAME THING BECAUSE THERE, THE FOOTING, THE ORIGINAL FOOTING EXISTS UNDERNEATH THAT STONE WALL, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STRUCTURE IS, UM, JUST THE LOAD OF THE STRUCTURE IS DISTRIBUTED CORRECTLY. UM, I ALSO AM CONVERTING THE ATTIC SPACE, IF YOU CAN SEE IN THE TWO MODELS. UM, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE IT LABELED. I DON'T, YOU SEE DINING ROOM ON THE LEFT SIDE? YEP. OKAY. THE LIBRARY ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS, IS GONNA BE KIND OF LIKE A FLEX ROOM, AND THEN THE STAIRWELL GOES UP AND CONVERTS INTO A, UM, A LOCK, I GUESS IS WHAT YOU CALL IT, FOR THE, FOR MY HUSBAND AND I'S OFFICE SPACE. AND SO IN TERMS OF THAT STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, IT WILL BE, UM, YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, BUT I GUESS WE DON'T WANNA PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, AND WE WANTED TO GET CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BEFORE WE STARTED GETTING ALL THESE PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND BID. ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, SINCE EVERYONE'S NOT INTERESTED IN WASTING TIME. SURE. I UNDERSTAND. ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I BRING THAT UP, BECAUSE IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL REMOVAL OF, OF THE, THE STONE THERE. [02:45:01] AND IT RAISES FOR ME SOME CONSTRUCTABILITY QUESTIONS, AND I'M AN ARCHITECT OF 35 YEARS EXPERIENCE, AND SO THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. UM, YEAH, AND I, I, I THINK, UH, WHILE I, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA GIVE YOU, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UH, TO, TO MOVE AHEAD, WHEN I SEE KIND OF FUNDAMENTAL FLAWS LIKE THAT, I HAVE TO KIND OF BRING THEM UP AND, AND KIND OF QUESTION THAT, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A PRETTY IR IRREVERSIBLE CHANGE. IT ALSO, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT THEN AFTER THE FACT TO KIND OF PIECE TOGETHER THE STORY. AND ONE THING, UH, REALLY WELL DONE AND APPROPRIATE ADDITIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES DO, IS THAT THEY STILL RETAIN THE STORY OF WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. THEY DON'T COMPLETELY OBLITERATE IT OR FUZZ IT OUT IN A WAY THAT, UH, IT CAN'T BE KIND OF RECONSTRUCTED EVEN JUST FROM A CONCEPTUAL STANDPOINT. AND HERE AS A RESULT OF YOUR EXPANSION OF THE KITCHEN AND THE CREATION OF THE UTILITY ROOM, MOVING OF BATHROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE'S A KIND OF A SWISS CHEESING OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, HISTORIC FABRIC THERE. UM, BOTH FROM A STORY STANDPOINT AND FROM A STRUCTURAL STANDPOINT. I JUST RAISED THAT AS A CONCERN. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. I APPRECIATE YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND DO YOU MIND IF I MAKE A COMMENT BASED ON THAT? IS THAT OKAY? SURE, GO AHEAD. SURE. UM, SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I ACTUALLY, MY HUSBAND AND I OWN THREE HOMES ON THIS STREET. WE OWN 2 72, 2 17, AND THEN OF COURSE, THIS IS OUR HOMESTEAD, 2, 4, 5. UM, AND I KNOW THESE HOMES IN AND OUT. I'M KIND OF A NERD ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AT THIS POINT. UM, AND SO EVERY HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH HOUSE WITH A ENTRY INTO THE KITCHEN AND JUST A LITTLE GARAGE ON THE SIDE. AND SO BEDROOM ONE AND BEDROOM TWO ARE THE, STILL GONNA BE THE ORIGINAL TWO BEDROOM, AND THEN THE UTILITY ROOM IS THE ORIGINAL BATHROOM. UM, THE KITCHEN AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST, YOU COULD SAY WE COULD JUST, THAT USED TO ALL BE WALL FROM BEDROOM TWO ALL THE WAY ACROSS, AND THEN WE JUST EXPANDED THE, THE BACK END. AND SO I AM, I AM DEFINITELY TRYING TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE STORY OF THIS HOUSE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I, I HAD THE ORIGINAL HOMEOWNER'S DAUGHTER WALK UP. SHE WAS AT LIKE 86, AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL KNOW THAT OMAS PARK TERRACE HAS A ARCH STROLL EVERY YEAR, AND WE'RE PART OF IT. AND SHE WALKED UP ONE DAY DURING THE ARCH STROLL AND SAID, YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE THIS, BUT I USED TO LIVE IN THIS HOUSE. THIS IS THE HOUSE I GREW UP IN. AND SHE WALKED ME THROUGH EVERYTHING AND SHE WAS LIKE, YEAH, MY DAD CONVERTED THE BACK PORCH. AND SHE, IT WAS THIS INCREDIBLE MOMENT FOR HER TO LOOK AT AND HER BEDROOM, BECAUSE IT WAS HER AND HER BROTHER WHEN SHE GOT TO BE A TEENAGER, THEY CONVERTED THE DINING ROOM INTO HER BEDROOM AND THEY HAD A WALL BETWEEN THE KITCHEN WITH A DOORWAY. AND SO THEY NEVER USED THE LIVING ROOM, AND THEY ONLY USED THE SUNROOM AS THEIR LIVING ROOM AND DINING ROOM. SO THAT'S THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE. VERY, VERY INTERESTING. YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMENT JUST TO, JUST TO, UH, ACTUALLY TO, UH, TO FOLLOW ON TO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'VE BEEN SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCALE OF YOUR ADDITION, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT SORT OF HISTORIC DIMINUTIVE SIZE OF THESE, UH, STRUCTURES, UH, UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE, THIS, THIS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE, THERE ARE THESE TINY LITTLE QUAINT THINGS, BUT WE UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT THE TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH IS, IS SORT OF A THING OF THE PAST AND, AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO, FOR A FAMILY OF ANY SIZE TO LIVE IN THOSE. SO FOLLOWING ONTO THAT COMMENT, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PERCENT OF ADDITION THAT IS YEAH. BEING PROPOSED HERE. YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT SITE COVERAGE, BUT HAVE YOU DONE THE MATH ON HOW MUCH, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ACTUALLY BEING ADDED? BECAUSE THERE IS A 40%, UH, I BELIEVE 40%, UH, RESTRICTION ON THAT, AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT. SO CURRENTLY WE ARE AT 2000 SQUARE FEET, UM, BECAUSE THE GARAGE, THE CONVERTED GARAGE AND THE SUNROOM, UM, AND THE ADDITION, UM, WILL GO UP TO 3000. SO IT'LL BE A A THOUSAND FEET. SO THAT, THAT IS, UH, THAT'S UH, WHAT A 50% ADDITION TO THIS, CORRECT? APPROXIMATELY, [02:50:02] YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE OVERARCHING CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. I THINK THINGS LIKE THE FOREFRONT PORCH COULD BE DETAILED IN A WAY THAT YOU COULD STILL TELL THE STORY THAT IT WAS A FRONT PORCH AND REDIRECT THE FRONT DOOR AND ALL THAT, THE ADDITION AND, AND TRANSFORMATION OF THE GARAGE, UH, TO CREATE THE MASTER BEDROOM. BUT I THINK THAT GENERAL OVERALL SIZE FOR ME IS STILL PRETTY BIG AND IT EXCEEDS WHAT OUR GUIDELINES CALL FOR, WHICH IS ABOUT 40%, 30% OR 40%? 44 0. OKAY. SO, I MEAN, I GUESS I COULD MASSAGE THAT AND BRING IT DOWN TO 40%, BUT THAT ISN'T REALLY INCLUDING, THAT'S INCLUDING THE FRONT PORCH SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 200 SQUARE FEET RIGHT THERE. UM, ABOUT, NO, YOUR CHAIRMAN, A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. GO AHEAD. YES, COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH SINCE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING THERE, AND I KNOW, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS WITH THE FRONT PORCH. ONE OF THEM IS CLOSET FOR BEDROOM ONE, ONE OF THEM, ONE OF IT IS REORIENTING THE ENTRY. UM, I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS ON PREVIOUS VERSIONS. UM, THE FRONT PORCH IS A BIT OF A STICKING POINT FOR ME. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S MM-HMM. SUPPORT FOR MODIFYING THE FRONT PORCH. I, I GENERALLY WON'T, DON'T SUPPORT THAT. BUT IN TERMS OF ACCOMMODATING THE, THE CLOSET, I SEE YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF LOFT STAIR, UH, THAT'S ON THE LIBRARY SIDE. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED UTILIZING THE UN UNDER STAIR FOR THE CLOSET FOR BEDROOM ONE? I HAVE, I HAVE. AND I CALCULATED THAT IT WOULD BE QUITE TINY. IT WOULD BE SMALLER THAN WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY. UM, I COULD DO THAT, YES. AND THAT WOULD WORK OUT. I, I DON'T, I WAS, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MY FELLOW COMMISSION, MY OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THE, THE FRONT PORCH. SO HERE'S MY CONCERN WITH THE FRONT PORCH, AND IT RELATES TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S CONCERNS, UH, WITH THE REAR, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT PORCH ON THE, THIS, I, I DUNNO WHAT SHEET THIS IS, BUT WHERE WE CAN SEE THE EXISTING PLAN AND THE NEW PLAN, THE NEW PLAN, REALLY MM-HMM. REQUIRES THE FULL OBLITERATION OF THE CORNER OF THAT FRONT PORCH TO PULL OFF. AND IN LARGE PART, IT'S TO ACCOMMODATE THE CLOSET. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT CORNER WHERE THERE'S STONE, THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. SO YOU CAN MAKE A KIND OF A STRAIGHT IN SIDE TURN INTO THE LIVING ROOM. AND, AND TO ME, THIS IS, THIS IS A VERY, VERY COMPLICATED AND DESTRUCTIVE MANEUVER. UM, I DO SUPPORT RESTORING THE OPENING INTO BEDROOM ONE, LIKE IS THE PATTERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LIKE IS OUTLINED IN THE POSADE, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT TEARING OUT, REMOVING THE, THE WHOLE INTERIOR CORNER AND KIND OF RECONSTRUCTING THAT TO ACCOMMODATE CLOSET IS A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE, UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME. AND I THINK STAFF HAS THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, I'LL, I'LL, AND IF THAT HELPS REDUCE THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE ADDITION, MAYBE THERE'S A DOUBLE BENEFIT FOR DROPPING THAT, UH, FROM THE YEAH. BUT, UM, MAYBE WE CAN HEAR SOME OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE FRONT PORCH PIECE. 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A BIG PART OF YOUR ASK. YEAH. THANK YOU. WELL, OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. CHURCH? COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ KIND OF WANNA YES, SIR. WRAP AROUND HERE. THE, I I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE, OF THE WAY THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS GONE ABOUT NOT ONLY THE ALTERATIONS, BUT THE NARRATIVE BEHIND IT. UM, THAT ORIGINAL DOOR WAS, WAS REMOVED, STONED UP. SO PEOPLE DRIVE BY AND THEIR PERCEPTION IS THAT THERE WAS NEVER A DOOR THERE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A LIE. RIGHT? IT'S NOT TRUE. NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, IRREVERSIBILITY RIGHT OF, OF, OF TAKING DOWN THE WALL, UM, THAT THAT'S A BIT OF A, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF BACKED UP AGAINST A CORNER THERE BECAUSE YOU COULD STILL ACHIEVE A CLOSET BY HAVING A DOOR. UH, YOU COULD STILL CREATE A MUD ROOM, AN ENTRY WITHOUT CHANGING EVERYTHING, BUT THAT DOESN'T SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM INSIDE OF YOUR LIVING ROOM. RIGHT. WHICH IS AN INTERIOR ITEM THAT IS, IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT THE EXTERIOR PART IS, AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE IRR IRREVERSIBILITY OF TEARING THE WALL DOWN IT, I MEAN, LET'S JUST SAY THAT YOU MAY REGRET IT ONE DAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, JUST, JUST TO, TO ENTERTAIN THAT IDEA, RIGHT? OKAY. MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . SO IT SEEMS THAT YOU COULD ACHIEVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU DREW, BUT NOT WITH RESPECT TO YOUR LIVING ROOM. RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE IN A WAY YOU'RE KIND OF ENCAPSULATING [02:55:01] WHAT WAS THERE. UH, YOU'RE LEAVING THE STONE, YOU FIND A WAY TO TREAT IT HOWEVER YOU TREAT IT, PUT A SIDEWAYS STUD THERE, YOUR SHEET ROCK TO IT, AND COME UP WITH GOOD DETAILS. IT'S WATERPROOFED ALREADY. IT'S, IT'S A PORCH. BUT THE IDEA OF KIND OF RESTORING THAT FRONT EXPERIENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DOORS FACING FRONT OR THAT, OR THAT THERE IS A DOOR FACING FRONT, UH, A LOT OF HOUSES DID THAT. I MEAN, I MEAN, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, BUT IN SOME CASES, THE DOOR INTO THE, THE BEDROOM IS A TECHNICALITY. THAT CODE REQUIRED THAT, THAT THE ENTRY DOOR FACED THE STREET. IN SOME CASES YOU FIND THE DOOR IN THE BEDROOM, BUT THE REAL DOORS ON THE SIDE, UM, THAT'S NOT THE SAME IN ALL CASES. RIGHT? BUT, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE KIND OF TRICKS THAT EXISTED. UM, SO IF YOU COULD CONSIDER THAT YOU'RE BLOCKED IN ON THAT LIVING ROOM, THAT, THAT THE CONDITION THAT YOU FIND YOURSELF IN AS FAR AS INTERIOR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS CONCERNED FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT. MM-HMM. RIGHT. AND, AND IRREVERSIBILITY, YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE WALL, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK YOU CAN GET THE, THE, THE TEMPERATURE FROM, FROM GET, TRYING TO GET A MAJORITY VOTE, RIGHT? THAT, YEAH, PROBABLY YOU WOULDN'T GET ONE WITH RESPECT TO DOING AN IRREVERSIBLE CHANGE TO THAT FRONT. BUT I MEAN, I WOULD ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IF SHE DIDN'T DO THAT, IF SHE, IF SHE CHOSE TO NOT AFFECT THE STONEWALL, NO REMOVAL, BUT TO, UH, KIND OF DO A NEWER, UH, A NEWER EXPRESSION, UH, UH, THAT DOES ELIMINATE MUCH OF THE PORCH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IS DONE IN THE SPIRIT OF, UH, REA ACHIEVING THE FRONT DOOR, UH, STREET SIDE VIEW, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THERE COULD BE ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR A MOTION TO ENABLE HER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HER PROJECT, SACRIFICE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT LIVING ROOM, BUT GET EVERYTHING THROUGH SO SHE CAN GET TO WORK AND GET OUT OF, UH, O H P'S HERE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK I CAN ATTEMPT A MOTION HERE. YES, PLEASE. AND IF THIS MOTION DOESN'T, IF THIS MOTION DOESN'T PASS, THEN WE'LL TRY AGAIN. BUT, UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE THROUGH THREE, THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT ON THE WESTERN FACADE THAT THE, UH, AREA IN THE OFFSET GABLE CONSIDER A NON STONE MATERIAL. UM, I'M ADOPTING STAFF'S POSITION ON ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE FRONT PORCH ALTERATION THAT THE FRONT PORCH ADDITION IS INAPPROPRIATE. AT THIS TIME, PERHAPS THE, THE APPLICANT CAN PROPOSE AN ALTERNATE AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN. AND ON ITEM THREE, I WOULD LIKE TO REFER ITEM THREE SPECIFICALLY TO A D R C TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL THERE. AND AT THAT D R C, WE CAN ALSO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS, UH, THAT WERE THERE THAT WE DISCUSSED TODAY. GENERALLY, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION AND YES, AND IN DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, UH, UH, ASK THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER, UH, HOLDING OFF ON THAT PORCH, MAYBE RETURNING AFTER A D R C TO HELP YOU COME UP WITH A SOLUTION ON THAT LITTLE BIT OF LITTLE BITTY PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THE GRAND SCOPE OF YOUR PROJECT. UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ZUMA RUN? AYE. CARPENTER NA ROBE, I THINK. SORRY. AYE, FETZER? AYE. ? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE AT TO ITEM [26. 21-3786 Address/Description: 130 CLUB DR HDRC Case No.: 2021-222 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Patrick Putze/PUTZE PATRICK GALE & LAUREN N Request: Modifications to rear accessory structure City Council Dist.: 7] 26. WE, ARE YOU THERE? YES. ITEM NUMBER 26, CASE NUMBER 2021 AT 2 2 2 AT ONE 30 CLUB. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ENCLOSE THE OPEN WALL PLANE OF REAR CARPORT STRUCTURE WITH SLIDING VINYL WINDOW, FRENCH DOOR, AND MATCHING CEMENT FIBER. TILE SIDING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE WINDOWS ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITION TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, SUCH AS A BLACK ALUMINUM ONE OVER ONE WINDOW ALREADY FOUND ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED SLIDING VINYL WINDOW. THIS CASE DOES COME TO US AS A WORK PRIOR TO APPROVAL. IF YOU SEE ON SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT THERE WAS A REAR GARAGE DOOR THAT WAS REPLACED, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO RESTORE THAT TO ITS ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION. SO THE MAIN ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS THAT GARAGE INTERIOR YARD ENCLOSURE. MAINLY, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO PROTEST FOR THE VINYL [03:00:01] WINDOW AS ALREADY PURCHASED AND INSTALLED. PATRICK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, AND CONFIRM YOUR POSITION ON THIS REQUEST? HI EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR, UH, FINALLY HEARING ME THIS AFTERNOON. YES. UH, I'M A, WE'VE RETIRED VETERAN, DISABLED VETERAN AND ARTIST, AND WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS HOME LAST YEAR, THE INTENTION WAS TO HOPEFULLY CONVERT THE GARAGE TO A STUDIO. NOW FINALLY, WE'VE GOT THE SAVINGS UP FOR THAT. AND THE WAY WE UNDERSTOOD THE INITIAL REGULATIONS WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS FRONT FACING COULD NOT, UM, AUTHOR WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF, UH, APPLICATION OF APPEARANCE, OR, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED. UM, ANYWAY, SO WE STARTED WORKING ON IT AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE REGULATIONS, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SPECIFIC PARTS ABOUT GARAGES AND CARPORT, EXISTING STRUCTURES IN THE BACK. SO DIDN'T THINK THAT WE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN THE INTERIOR SIDE PART OR EVEN THE ALLEY FOR THAT MATTER BECAUSE IT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. OH, WE THAT DOOR NOT EXIST ANYMORE. THAT STEEL FRAME, UM, THAT WILL BE PAINTED THE SAME CLOSED RESERV DOOR. UM, I THINKING FOR THE BIGGEST WINDOW I COULD FIND WAS THE MOST LIGHT FOR A PHOTO IN ARTS STUDIO AND THE QUICKEST WAY TO PROVIDE IMMEDIATE VENTILATION, AS MUCH VENTILATION AS POSSIBLE, WHICH NOW FAILS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE ONE SINGLE OPEN WINDOW LIKE THAT FOR VENTILATION. SINCE, UM, WE'VE HAD TO REMOVE THE DOOR THAT WAS GONNA ORIGINALLY FACE OUT KIND OF CROSS VENTILATION, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE IT STANDS. MOSTLY JUST, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE SIDE OF THE, TO SEE APARTMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE HAVE THOSE BOW OH FRAMING AND IN THE STUDIO. WE WOULD PROVIDE WEIRD SHADOWS AND GRID PATTERNS AND THINGS. JUST REALLY WASN'T VERY . TRY TO INSTALL TAPE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST MINE, MY NAME . OKAY, THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER, DO WE HAVE A CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES, WE DO. UM, THIS COMES FROM DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE NP AND A APPRECIATES HOMEOWNERS WHO INVEST IN THEIR HOMES, N P A NOTES THAT WORK BEGAN AT ONE 30 CLUB DRIVE TO CONVERT THE CARPORT TO LIVING AREA WITHOUT PROPER CITY PERMITS, WHICH MAY PRESENT LIFE SAFETY CONCERNS. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE CASE BE SENT TO THE D R C FOR EVALUATION. THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE AS THERE ARE NO DRAWINGS FOR PROPOSED CHANGES ON ALL ELEVATIONS OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, SPECIFICALLY THE ALLEY SIDE SOUTH FACING. WE NOTE THE CASE FILE IMAGE NUMBER EIGHT OF NINE IS AN IMAGE OF A DOUBLE CAR GARAGE DOOR FACING THE ALLEY, WHICH HAS BEEN REMOVED IN IMAGE 20 AND 21. THE PHOTOS SHOW THE INSTALLATION OF THE FOLLOWING LARGE SECTIONS OF PLYWOOD COVERING THE PREVIOUS GARAGE OPENING, UM, A NEW DOOR, A NEW HORIZONTAL WINDOW THAT WAS CUT AND INSTALLED IN THE PLYWOOD AND AN OPENING FOR AN AC UNIT WAS CUT AND INSTALLED. WE KNOW NP AND A SUPPORT STAFF'S INITIAL STIPULATIONS FOR THE WINDOWS TO ADHERE TO STANDARDS. STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE PLYWOOD ELEVATION BE ADDRESSED IN THE APPLICATION APPLICATION. THERE ARE NO DRAWINGS FOR PROPOSED CHANGES ON ALL ALLEGATIONS. PATRICK, IF YOU CAN MUTE YOUR SPECIFICALLY COMPUTER, NOTE THE CASE FILE IMAGE NUMBER EIGHT OF NINE. YES SIR. IF YOU CAN PLEASE MUTE YOUR LIVESTREAM AND THEN MS 28 21. SIR, ARE YOU THERE? HELLO? LEE, ARE YOU THERE? LEE, I BELIEVE YOU MUTED YOURSELF. YES. PATRICK, CAN YOU, CAN YOU MUTE YOUR LIVESTREAM PLEASE? IS HE STILL THERE? HELLO? PATRICK, DO WE KNOW IF, DO WE KNOW IF HE CAN HEAR US? WE, WHY DON'T YOU HANG UP AND TRY TO, I COULDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ON MY HEADPHONES. ARE YOU GUYS THERE? YES, PLEASE MUTE YOUR LIVE STREAM. HELLO? AM I CONNECTED NOW? OKAY, THANK YOU. SORRY, I, I MISSED HALF OF THAT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T, IT DROPPED THE CALL AND THEN IT PICKED BACK UP ON MY OTHER PHONE FOR SOME REASON. UM, THE, THE GARAGE DOOR, THE, THE ALLEY FACING SIDE IS WHAT I JUST HEARD AND WHAT I CAN RESPOND TO IS THAT THAT WILL BE REMEDIED ON SATURDAY. THE ORIGINAL DOOR IS HERE AND IT'S GONNA BE, UH, REINSTALLED AS PER, UH, VOICE SUGGESTIONS [03:05:01] AND STAFF SUGGESTIONS EARLIER THAT IT BE RETURNED TO THE ORIGINAL LOOK WHETHER FUNCTIONAL OR NOT. SO THAT WILL BE REMEDIED SATURDAY. OKAY. UM, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, WHAT LOOKS LIKE IS INSTALLED IS A SLIDING DOOR AND WHAT'S IN THE APPLICATION INFORMATION IS A, UH, STEEL IN SWINGING DOOR. THAT'S THE, UH, ORIGINAL PICTURES FROM THE FIRST DATE THAT THEY TOLD US WE NEEDED TO FILE FOR THE APPLICATION. THOSE WERE THE ORIGINAL PICTURES I SENT. UH, BOY IF YOU CAN GO TO THE ELEVATION DRAWING THAT ILLUSTRATES EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THERE. NOW, IF YOU NEED NEW PHOTOS OF THAT, UH, NEW FRENCH DOOR, I CAN TAKE PHOTOS OF THAT. SO YOU PROPOSED TO REPLACE THE SLIDING DOOR WITH THE SWINGING DOORS? CORRECT. THE SLIDING DOOR HAS ALREADY BEEN REPLACED WITH THE FRENCH OPENING DOORS. OKAY. AND THAT IS A STEEL DOOR THAT, UH, WILL GET PAINTED? YEAH, IT'S A STEEL PRIME DOOR THAT WILL BE PAINTED THE MATCH IF YOU SEE THE ONE BEHIND THE SWING SET IN THE CASITA APARTMENT THAT THAT EXISTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND THEN THE, UM, THE VINYL SIDING WILL NOT SHOW BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE WHITE WINDOW ITSELF THAT'S GONNA GET PAINTED AND TRIMMED WITH A SMALL FRAME AROUND IT TO MIMIC THE OTHER, UH, WINDOW. ALRIGHT, UH, OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THIS IS MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN A QUESTION. UM, WHETHER THE THESE, UH, CHANGES WERE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR NOT, YOU STILL WERE REQUIRED TO DO, TO GET A PERMIT. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I UNDERSTAND THAT NOW. YES SIR. VERY MUCH SO. SO I AM HERE, AND THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN EVEN A QUESTION. UH, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH WHAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN PREVIOUS DOORS AND WINDOW OPENINGS TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE WE SEE HERE IN THIS DRAWING? ARE YOU, ARE THOSE TWO REMAIN AS IS? OH, SO THE LEFT SIDE IS, AS YOU SAW IN THE PHOTO IS THE CASITA. THIS RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A, UH, JUST A PLYWOOD DOOR THAT WAS EXISTING WHEN WE MOVED HERE, THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THE, THERE'S A LITTLE STORAGE ROOM IN THERE, LAWNMOWER, BICYCLE LUGGAGE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. BUT THAT'S ALL PREEXISTING. WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE IS, IS WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH, WITH THE INFILL. ALRIGHT. UM, THERE'S, IF YOU'LL SEE ON PAGE 11, THAT WAS THE, THE PREVIOUS CONDITION THAT I'VE MIGHT'VE BEEN THERE SINCE AS EARLY AS THE SEVENTIES. THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. UM, CHAIRMAN, I, I'M IN, UH, SUPPORT OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF INCOMPLETE AND, UM, THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCIES FROM ONE DOCUMENT TO THE OTHER HERE. UH, SO I, I WOULD MOVE THIS BE REFERRED TO A D R C THAT MIGHT EVEN INVOLVE A, A SITE VISIT TO KIND OF MAKE SOME SENSE OUT OF SOME OF THIS. I'LL SECOND THAT. COMMISSIONER, CAN I COMMENT? MAY I COMMENT ON THAT PLEASE? YES, SIR. IS THAT OKAY? UM, I DIDN'T, I DID NOT ASSEMBLE THIS DOCUMENT. SO THAT'S, THAT PART'S KIND OF BOTTOM OF MY HANDS. I'VE PROVIDED HU UM, WITH PHOTOS, IMAGES AND THINGS THROUGHOUT THE, UM, PROCESS HERE. SO IF YOU'RE SEEING THINGS ON THE ALLEY, THOSE ARE PRE-EXISTING PICTURES, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T AWARE THAT IT NEEDED TO BE IN A CERTAIN CONDITION REPORT, YOU KNOW. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I'M, I'M BASICALLY JUST WORKING OFF WAY AND HIS RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGHOUT THIS AS FAR AS RESTORING THE GARAGE DOOR, GOING WITH THE SIMILAR, UH, EXECUTIVE TILES THAT ARE ALREADY FOUND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO REMEDY THIS AND, AND BE DONE AND MAKE IT A USEFUL STATE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IF THE ONLY ELEVATION THAT IS BEING CHANGED IS THE, UH, THE ONE YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN, ALL OTHER ELEVATIONS ARE REMAINING AND THE GARAGE DOOR ON THE ALLEY SIDE IS BEING RESTORED ADMINISTRATIVELY. OKAY. WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. UM, LET'S TAKE A VOTE AND SEE IF THAT [03:10:01] PASSES. IF NOT, WE CAN LOOK AT ANOTHER MOTION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH STEPPED AWAY. GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. ZOOMER ON AYE CARPENTER? AYE GROUP HAS STEPPED AWAY. FETZER AYE. LAVO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, I WILL NOTE THAT ITEM 27 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD AT THIS TIME. SO THAT TAKES US TO THE LAST [28. 21-3740 Address/Description: 345 NORTH DR HDRC Case No.: 2021-237 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Daniel Moreno/Medina Drywall & Remodeling Request: Construction of a rear addition, window replacement, entry reconstruction City Council Dist.: 7] ITEM 28. UM, I BELIEVE STEPH HAS THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. YES, WE'RE HERE. ITEM ITEM NUMBER 28, CASE NUMBER 20 21 2 37 AT 3 45 NORTH DRIVE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, CONVERT A REAR COVERED PORCH INTO A 340 SQUARE FOOT. ENCLOSED REAR ADDITION WITH 850 SQUARE FOOT CONCRETE PATIO. TWO, REPLACE STONE CLADDING WITH FAUX WOOD GRAIN HARDY PLANK ON TWO ORIGINAL WALL PLANES. AND THREE, REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS OF THE RELIABILITY 30 50 SERIES. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO COMMITTED TO RESTORING THE COVERED FRONT PORCH BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, WHICH MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH COORDINATION FROM STAFF. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, REAR ADDITION WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE SIDING DOES NOT FEATURE FULL WOOD GRAIN SUCH AS A SMOOTH HARDY PLANK OR STUCCO. TWO, THAT THE ADDITION WINDOWS FULLY ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS, WHICH WOULD BE ONE OVER ONE SASH WINDOWS WITH NO PHOTO DIVIDE LIGHTS AND ALUMINUM OR WOOD MATERIAL. INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED, UH, SLIDING VINYL RELIABLE 30 FIFTIES STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH A STIPULATION THAT THE WINDOWS FULLY ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOUND REPLACEMENT WITH THE ALLOWANCE OF A NON-WOOD PRODUCT THAT STILL MEETS ALL OTHER SPECIFICATIONS. RELIABILITY 30 50 IS NON-CONFORMING IN DEPTH PROFILE AND NAILING THIN INSTALLATION STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ITEM THREE, FACADE MATERIAL REPLACEMENT. THE STONE WALLS SHOULD BE RESTORED TO MATCH IN TEXTURE, DESIGN AND CONFIGURATION AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING RECONSTRUCTION PLANS SUBMITTED TO STAFF UNLESS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION AS CURRENTLY INSTALLED, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL WINDOWS THAT ARE EVIDENTLY REPLACED OR INSTALLED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR SHOULD FULLY ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS, WHICH WOULD BE A WOOD, ALUMINUM OR ALUMINUM CLOUD, ONE OVER ONE SLASH WINDOW WITH NO NAILING FIN OR PHOTO DIVIDED LINES. I BELIEVE STEPHANIE, UH, WAS ABLE TO REACH DAN, UH, GREEN, WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR CONTEXT. THIS CASE CAME TO US AS A VIOLATION CASE IN WHICH THE PREVIOUS OWNER, UH, PERFORMED A LOT OF UNAPPROVED WORK. THE NEW OWNER, UH, DAN HAS, UH, CONTINUED THAT WORK UNTIL STAFF NOTIFIED HIM OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION. I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME THEY HAVE AGREED TO RESTORING THE FRONT FLOOR WINDOWS WITH APPROPRIATE, UH, WINDOWS PER THE GUIDELINES, AS WELL AS RESTORE THE STONE, UH, STONE WALL. AND THEY'RE ASKING, UH, PERMISSION TO KEEP THE REAR SIDE IF THEY'RE ABLE TO, UH, CONFORM TO THOSE, THOSE FIRST MORE VISIBLE ITEMS. UH, DAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, AND, UH, CONFIRM YOUR POSITION ON THIS? YES. HI. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME NOW, AND I APOLOGIZE, UH, FOR THIS FRUSTRATING SITUATION. I'M FROM DENVER AND I'M RE RETIRED. UH, I'M JUST USING SOME RETIREMENT MONEY TO COME DOWN AND I LIKE SAN ANTONIO ON RESTORE HOUSES. I'M NOT, I GUESS I'M JUST IGNORANT. I BOUGHT THE HOUSE. I DIDN'T DO THE CORRECT, UH, HISTORICAL RESEARCH AND, UH, AND BOUGHT A HOUSE THAT HAD WORKED DONE ON IT THAT WASN'T, UH, APPROPRIATE. UH, SO AS, AS YOU SEE IT IS KINDA LIKE HOW IT, HOW I GOT IT. UH, WE ADDED A THREE FOOT, A 3.5 FOOT BY 10 FOOT EXTENSION ONTO THE BACK WHERE WE HAD THE DRAWINGS AND I GAVE IT TO THE GC, BUT APPARENTLY HE, HE GOT THE GENERAL PERMIT BUT DIDN'T SUBMIT THAT ADDITIONAL PERMIT INTO THE, UM, INTO THE, UH, TO THE CITY HE HAS NOW. AND I'VE BEEN WITH HIM ON, UH, ON THAT. UH, BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS, UH, A SITUATION WHERE I'M JUST HOPING THAT I CAN, UH, RESOLVE THIS, UH, AMICABLY BETWEEN EVERYBODY. [03:15:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES. UM, THIS COMES FROM ANDREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE M P N A APPRECIATES INDIVIDUALS WILLING TO INVEST IN HISTORIC HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE NOTE THE PROPERTY AT 3 45 NORTH DRIVE HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE 2019 AND HAS HAD, UM, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS WORKING ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. 3 45 NORTH DRIVE WAS REPORTED TO O H P, UH, V B O, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE VACANT BUILDINGS TEAM ON 3 12 20 21. SINCE NO WORK HAD BEEN DONE FOR THE PROPERTY SINCE MAY OF 2020 AND IT WAS ON AND OFF THE MARKET MULTIPLE TIMES, O H P ACKNOWLEDGED THE PROPERTY WAS ELIGIBLE FOR THE VACANT COMPANIES PROGRAM, UM, ON MARCH 12TH, 2021. DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTORS TO PERFORM WORK ON RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES WITHOUT BASIC BUILDING PERMITS MAY PRESENT A LIFE SAFETY CONCERN TO THE COMMUNITY AND DETERIORATE THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF HOME OF HOMES IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. M P N A SUPPORTS STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE AND CONCUR THAT ALL WINDOWS THAT ARE EVIDENTLY REPLACED OR INSTALLED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR SHOULD FULLY ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS. WE EXPRESS CONCERN AND ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS TO A MOTION. ONE TO REMOVE STONE ON THE EASTERN, UM, SLASH NORTHERN ELEVATIONS TO BE APPROVED. I'M SORRY, LET ME REPHRASE THAT ONE. REMOVED STONE ON THE EASTERN AND NORTHERN ELEVATIONS BE APPROVED BY STAFF BEFORE INSTALLATION. TWO, MISSING WOOD AND TRIM. UM, HEADER AROUND MISSING WOOD TRIM SLASH HEADER AROUND THE WINDOWS AND DETAILS BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF AND THREE SHUTTERS BE REINSTALLED. FOUR FRONT PORCH COVER BE REINSTALLED. THAT'S IT. UH, IF I COULD, UH, WHAT I'M HOPING, UH, UH, WHAT YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO DO IS IF I COULD, UH, PUT COMPLIANT WINDOWS AND TRIM INTO THE FRONT, THOSE FOUR WINDOWS INTO THE FRONT. UH, HAPPY TO REPLACE THOSE AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY COMPLIED TO WHATEVER IS NEEDED. UH, THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME. AND THEN RECL THE STONE AROUND THAT OFFSET, UH, TO ORIGINAL ON THE SIDE, UH, THE BACK, UH, AS IT IS, I'M HOPING THAT YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO LEAVE THAT. UM, AND, UH, SO THAT I'LL RESTORE THE FRONT WINDOWS AND THE SIDE, UH, ON THE OFFSET BACK IN ITS STONE TO ITS NEAR ORIGINAL FORMAT. UH, THE, THE PERGOLA IN THE FRONT, I HAD, AND I HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS HOUSE HAD THIS KIND OF STRUCTURE, UH, IN THE FRONT, THAT HUGE PERGOLA. UM, I'M HOPING THAT YOU'LL ALLOW ME NOT TO, UH, HAVE TO REPLACE ALL OF THAT. THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE AND, AND, UH, THE MATERIAL COSTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW, UH, IT WOULD BE FINANCIALLY VERY DIFFICULT. UH, BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING IS TO TAKE THE OFFSET THAT WE DID RE STONE THE SITES AND JUST REPLACE THE, UH, THE WINDOWS, UH, THE FOUR WINDOWS IN THE FRONT TO COMPLY TO THE WINDOW THAT CURRENTLY, UH, WILL REMAIN UP IN FRONT. OKAY, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? THIS, UM, MIGHT BE A CASE WHERE WE NEED TO DO A SITE D R C TO FULLY APPRECIATE, UH, WHAT'S EXISTING, WHAT'S HISTORIC AND WHAT HAS BEEN ALTERED. BUT, UH, GREAT TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I, UH, I CONCUR WITH THAT. I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH COMPLEXITY HERE WITH SOME WORK HAVING BEEN DONE BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, SOME WORK BEING DONE BY THIS OWNER, UM, AND VARYING CONDITIONS, UH, FRONT TO BACK THAT I THINK IT WOULD, UH, BENEFIT US TO SEE THEM FIRSTHAND AND TO HELP UN UNTANGLE THIS, MOVE IT FORWARD. SO I MOVE FOR A, UH, D R C IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I PREFER THAT. I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A SITE D R C. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE UH, FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. ERON. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE BET SIR. AYE. LFO AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE MEETING MINUTES FOR THAT COMPLETES. THAT [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for May 5, 2021.] COMPLETES THE AGENDA. WE HAVE MEETING MINUTES FOR, UH, MAY 5TH, 2021. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 5TH, 2021 [03:20:01] AS MS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FERNANDES. I SECOND HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN IS THE CHAIRMAN. I MOVE TO ADJOURN. OKAY. AYE. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR ADJOURNMENT. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. THANK EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.