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          MR. CHAIR, WE'RE LIVE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMANTE AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER. 
          I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION IN THE SESSION. 
          UH, CAN WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? MR. TARA? IT'LL BE JUST ONE MOMENT. 
          WE STILL DON'T HAVE SOUND WE'RE, IT'S NOT STREAMING THROUGH, SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT ONE MORE MINUTE. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          LET ME KNOW AND I'LL START AGAIN. 
          WE ARE TESTING THE AUDIO. 
          1, 2, 3, 4 TEST. 
          THIS IS A TEST. 
          THIS IS A TEST FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE THE FIRST TESTING, 1, 2, 3 AUDIO TEST. 
          WE ARE TESTING FOR LIVE AUDIO FOR JUNE 1ST, 2021 ZONING COMMISSION. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALMOST THERE. 
          ONE MOMENT PLEASE. 
          OKAY, MR. CHAIR, IT'S, IT'S ALL YOURS AND WE WILL HAVE THE SPANISH TRANSLATOR COME UP NOW. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SHALL I BEGIN AGAIN? SURE, YEAH, LET'S DO IT AGAIN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, 
          [Work Session]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMONTE AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER. 
          I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. 
          CAN WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING, PLEASE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF. 
          IF YOU'D PLEASE CONDUCT 
          [Roll Call]
THE ROLL CALL DR. 
          JONES PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          COMMISSIONER PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER CAYMUS. 
          COMMISSIONER, UH, PRESENT COMMISSIONER PRESENT. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO ROMERO PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS GIBBONS. 
          PRESENT? PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE COMM. 
          WHITE COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          PRESENT PROM GREATHOUSE. 
          HERE. 
          VICE CHAIR SITE HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE CHAIR BUSANTE PRESENT. 
          MR. CHAIR, YOU HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PRIOR TO STARTING WITH OUR ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE OUR STAFF TO REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT STAFF, IF YOU WOULD, TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE PUBLIC AND LIMIT THE POTENTIAL SPREAD OF COVID 19. 
          THE ZONING COMMISSION IS HOLDING MEETINGS VIA A VIDEO CONFERENCE. 
          THESE MEETING STANDARDS ARE BASED UPON THE VARIOUS SUSPENDED PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETING ACT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS GOVERNOR IN RESPONSE TO THE C OVID 19 CRISIS AND ARE IN PLACE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING BY VISITING WWW SAN ANTONIO.GOV/DSD OR BY CALLING IN FOR AUDIO ONLY AT 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 
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TO INCORPORATE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THEREFORE, OPPORTUNITIES, THESE INCLUDE EMAIL OR MAIL OR COMMENTS, DROPPING OFF COMMENTS, LEAVING VOICEMAIL, OR ASKING TO BE CALLED DURING THE MEETING. 
          STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL WRITTEN RECORD FOR ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT. 
          STAFF WILL PLAY ANY MESSAGES RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL. 
          LASTLY, FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, WILL RECEIVE A CALLBACK, WE WILL CALL THEM TO STATE THEIR TWO MINUTE COMMENT. 
          SPANISH INTERPRETERS ARE ON STANDBY AS NEEDED. 
          THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS STAFF. 
          DID I HEAR SOME FEEDBACK AND OTHER ISSUES GOING ON? YES, SIR. 
          I HAD, I HAD COMPLETED THE MEETING FORMAT, COMMENT, AND IT'S ALL YOURS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, STAFF IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REVIEW THE CURRENT LIST OF CONSENT INDIVIDUAL AND ANY POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS. YES, SIR. 
          THE ITEMS TODAY THAT ARE POSTPONED ARE ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS AT 5 0 7 HAY STREET. 
          THAT ITEM WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. 
          AND ITEM NUMBER TWO ALSO POSTPONED IN THE 5,800 BLOCK OF U T F A BOULEVARD. 
          NEITHER OF THESE ITEMS WILL BE DISCUSSED TODAY. 
          UH, WHEN THE APPLICANTS ARE READY TO BRING THEM FORWARD, THERE WILL BE NEW PUBLICATION AND NEW NOTICE SENT. 
          UH, FOR THE ITEM MARKED OTHER, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS CONTINUED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING TO JUNE THE 15TH. 
          WE WERE A BIT PREMATURE IN PUTTING IT ON JUNE 1ST, SO THERE'S NO ACTION ON THIS ITEM, BUT IT WILL BE, UH, HEARD ON JUNE 15TH. 
          FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR CONSENT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 7, 10 11 12 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 20, AND 21 ITEM THAT ARE ON COMBINED HEARING TWO AND THAT ARE REQUESTING CONTINUANCES ARE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS ENDS IN EIGHT NINE IN THE 11,000 BLOCK OF BANDERA ROAD. 
          AND THEN ITEM NUMBER NINE, WHICH ENDS IN NINE ZERO, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 2000 BLOCK OF BROADWAY STREET. 
          AND THEN OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS TODAY ARE ITEM NUMBER 3, 5, 6, AND 16. 
          DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT TO EVERYONE? IT DOES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, DOES ANYONE WANT TO ADD ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS TO THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS? AND I SEE COMMISSIONER WHITE HAS JOINED US, SO WE COULD HAVE THAT REFLECTED AS WELL. 
          UM, AND JUST FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, INFORMATION WE HAVE MOVED ITEM SIX TO THE TOP OF THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS GIVEN, UH, THE NUMBER OF CITY STAFF THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND THE PERCEIVED INTEREST. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, STAFF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE 
          [Items 7, 10 - 15 & 17 - 21]
READ THE REMAINING CONSENT ITEMS INTO THE RECORD. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THERE'S A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM MF 33 A H O D AND R FIVE A H O D TO I DZ TWO A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR SIX DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 6 28 IRA LEE ROAD. 
          THERE WERE 30 NOTICES MAILED NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE RECEIVED AN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM OAKWELL FARMS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO AND R FOUR TO C TWO F WITH SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 6,600 BLOCK OF MEDINA BASE ROAD. 
          THERE WERE 31 NOTICES MAILED, ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, NO RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE ACTIVE IN COMMUNITY EFFORTS OR FROM RIDGESTONE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR HEATHER'S COVE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 11, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM F R A H O D TO L A H O D LOCATED 
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AT 1 26 20 PLEASANTON ROAD. 
          THERE WERE EIGHT NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 12, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE R M L O D TWO MLR. 
          ONE A H O D AND C THREE R M O D TWO M L R TWO A H O D TO M MS 33 M O D TWO ML, R ONE A H O D AND M MS 33 M O D TWO MLR, TWO A H O D LOCATED AT 47 40 AND 47 62 COBRA ROAD. 
          THERE WERE EIGHT NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM COLLIBRA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE UC, FOUR A H O D TO I D Z THREE UC, FOUR A H O D WITH USAGE PERMITTED FOR 61 DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 18 8 19 EAST ELMIRA STREET. 
          THERE WERE 35 NOTICES MAILED OR RECEIVED IN FAVOR. 
          NONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND TOBA TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE R AND C THREE R A H O D TO MF 33 AND MF 33 A H O G LOCATED AT TWO SPURS LANE. 
          THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 15, A REQUEST TO RESUME FROM C TWO TO MF 25. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE TEN ONE HUNDRED BLOCK OF STATE HIGHWAY 16 SOUTH. 
          THERE WERE 11 NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 17, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM OUR CORE TO OUR CORE CD WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR A NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 10 82 RAYBURN DRIVE THERE WERE 25 NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 18, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO RMM. 
          FOUR. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 24 22 WEST COMMERCE STREET. 
          35 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 19, REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE CD WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR A DUPLEX TO MF 18. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT ONE 19 SPOTFORD STREET THERE WERE 16 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE. 
          ITEM NUMBER 20, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO C TWO. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE REMAIN LOCATED AT 1 0 3 NORTH ACME ROAD. 
          THERE WERE 27 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM LOS FUENTES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 21, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM L AND I ONE TO I TWO. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 1 0 1 2 0 FISHER ROAD. 
          THERE WERE 19 NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. 
          NONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IS THERE A MOTION? YES, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, ITEMS NUMBER 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 20, AND 21. 
          ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND AGAINST, OKAY. 
          UH, HEARD GREATHOUSE IN THERE. 
          SOME SOMEONE ELSE AS WELL? UH, SO THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING. 
          NUMBER ONE AND A SECOND, UH, ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMI? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
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COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          PER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SIP. 
          YES. 
          CHAIR BUSTAMANTE AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          11 ZERO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO 
          [Items 8 & 9]
OUR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER SIX IS REON. 
          THAT'S INDIVIDUAL. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO PUT R FOUR. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 11,000 BLOCK OF BANDERA ROAD, THERE WERE 62 NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR, 12 WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. 
          ONE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FEET, 20 WERE RECEIVED OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET IN OPPOSITION AND THE BRAUN OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. 
          THERE IS A REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE ON THIS TO JUNE THE 15TH, MR. CHAIR. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT SEVEN CASE, SO COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          YES. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 15TH FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 15TH. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND GREATHOUSE. 
          I, I THINK I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO WITH COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL THIS TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          BUT, UH, THERE'S A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 15TH BY COMMISSIONER SIPES, UH, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER? SEEING NONE? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JONES JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          MCGEE? YES. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER FAMOUS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          FOR 10TH GRADE HOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. 
          CHAIR. 
          MOTION PASSES FOR A CONTINUANCE 11 TO ZERO AND THAT IS TO JUNE 15TH. 
          GREAT. 
          IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER NINE IS ALSO A REQUEST FOR TWO 15TH. 
          IT'S TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO C TWO I D Z WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 2000 BLOCK OF BROADWAY STREET, THERE WERE 14 NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND WESTFORD ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS A CONTINUANCE TO JUNE THE 15TH. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE, COMMISSIONER JONES. 
          UM, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, CONTINUE TO JUNE THE 15TH. 
          IT CONTINUES TO JUNE 15TH. 
          THERE'S A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 15TH. 
          IS THERE A SECOND MS. COMMISSIONER? SECOND. 
          UH, I HEARD COMMISSIONER KAMATH FIRST. 
          I THINK SO. 
          I'LL GO WITH THAT. 
          UH, THERE'S A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 15TH AND A SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JIM JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          C COMMISSIONER. 
          KAMATH. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          YES. 
          C COMMISSIONER. 
          WE COMMISSIONER WE. 
          AYE. 
          C DR. 
          ROMERO ROMERO. 
          YES. 
          C COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          YES. 
          C COMMISSIONER. 
          WHITE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          YES. 
          C. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          YES. 
          C PROAM. 
          GREATHOUSE GREATHOUSE. 
          YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SIP. 
          YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE TO JUNE THE 15TH BY 11 TO ZERO. 
          ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. 
          UH, IF WE COULD MOVE ON NOW TO OUR INDIVIDUAL 
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ITEM, STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER SIX, PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER SIX IS 
          [6. 21-3950 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700048 (Council District 5)]
REZONING FROM DH AND D H H S TO D. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING ON CHANGE LOCATED AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE STREET. 
          20. 
          NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITH 200 FEET ONE RETURN IN FAVOR? NONE IN OPPOSITION. 
          GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. 
          SEVEN NOTICES WERE RECEIVED DE OPPOSED OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET. 
          THE CITY IS REQUESTING A 30 DAY CONTINU, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO. 
          O H P STAFF AND D S C STAFF ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. 
          UM, NOW I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO OUR DIRECTOR, MIKE SHANNON. 
          THANK YOU KAT, AND GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, CHAIR AND COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD. 
          MY NAME IS MIKE SHANNON. 
          I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HERE FOR THE CITY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, AS KAT HAD MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE ON THIS CASE TODAY DUE TO SOME EVENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS, UH, RELATED TO THE SAFETY OF THE, OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S A PROCESS THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH ALONG WITH, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, SOME HISTORIC STAKEHOLDERS, ET CETERA. 
          UH, SOME LICENSED PROFESSIONALS, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS TO DETERMINE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT EMERGENCY SAFETY MEASURES NEED TO OCCUR. 
          UH, THAT PROCESS WILL, WILL CONTINUE, UH, OVER THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE OF DAYS. 
          AND, UH, IT'S CODIFIED IN OUR, UH, CITY CODE CHAPTER SIX. 
          AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THAT. 
          IT'S JUST, UH, THE CONTINUANCE I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TODAY. 
          UM, SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, DON'T CONFUSE THE TWO ISSUES. 
          UH, WE ADDRESSED THE ONE ISSUE, WHICH IS THE, THE SAFETY AROUND THE STRUCTURE AND, AND HOW AND WHAT CAN BE DONE QUICKLY, UH, TO, TO IMPROVE THAT CONDITION AND THEN COME BACK AND, AND IF, IF SO, WARRANT TO DISCUSS THE LAND USE ISSUES. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S THE REASON FOR, IT'S A LITTLE ATYPICAL, UM, BUT JUST WANT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. 
          AND I KNOW THE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S HERE AS WELL. 
          I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO HIM A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, JUST REQUEST A CONTINUANCE, UM, ON THE ZONING ISSUE, UH, WHILE WE WORK THROUGH THE SAFETY STUFF. 
          AND, UH, AGAIN, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, COMMISSIONER? YES. 
          I'M REQUESTING A RECUSAL ON THIS, UH, ITEM. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          YES, PLEASE, UH, LET IT BE REFLECTED THAT COMMISSIONER HUE, UH, HAS TURNED OFF HIS CAMERA AND WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DELIBERATION ON THIS ITEM AS HE HAS REQUESTED FOR ACCUSER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SO MR. SHANNON ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, AS, AS HE'S THE DIRECTOR OF THE D S D, UM, STAFF, DO WE WANT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION BY THE O H P ON THIS ITEM OR SHOULD WE GO STRAIGHT TO THE APPLICANT FOR DE DESIGNATION? I WOULD SAY WE COULD GO AHEAD AND, UH, GO STRAIGHT TO THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT PRESENT? PRESENT? ALRIGHT, MR. CHRISTENSEN, IF YOU WOULD? YES. 
          PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. 
          I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE LIMS. I'LL, I'LL KEEP MY PRESENTATION SHORT. 
          I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK THE CITY STAFF. 
          YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE APPLICATION IS TO REQUEST DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE ON HOUSTON STREET HISTORIC STAFF AND MIKE SHANNON REQUESTED THAT WE CONTINUE THE CASE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A EMERGENCY HEARING H C R C HEARING TOMORROW. 
          THE LIM FAMILY WANTS TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND WE, WE WILL SUPPORT THAT CONTINUANCE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL START WITH VOICEMAILS FIRST, UH, AS WE START, UH, LOOPING IN ALL OF THE LIVE BUTLER. 
          SO, WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH THE VOICEMAILS. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          24 20 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE, APARTMENT THREE ZERO TWO SEVEN EIGHT TWO ONE TWO TWO TEN TWO EIGHT SIX SEVEN THREE ZERO SIX. 
          ITEM NUMBER 6 21 DASH 3 9 5 OH. 
          THE WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE PROPOSES THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THE DESIGNATED HISTORIC WIT AND COMPANY PRINTING BUILDING AT 28 21. 
          WEST COMMERCE DESIGNATED A HISTORIC LANDMARK IN 1988. 
          WITT AND COMPANY PRINTING IS INTEGRAL TO THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO AND TO THAT OF THE SPANISH LANGUAGE PRESS IN TEXAS AND THE UNITED STATES SINCE FROM THE LATE 19TH TO THE LATE 20TH CENTURY, SAN ANTONIO WAS THE PUBLISHING CENTER FOR LATINOS IN THE US WITH AND COMPANY PRINTING. 
          1930 TO 1977 IS PIVOTAL TO THAT VITALLY IMPORTANT LEGACY ON MAY 5TH, 2021. 
          THE 
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H D R C UNANIMOUSLY DENIED BOTH THE APPLICATION FOR REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC LANDMAN LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE WHITTEN COMPANY BUILDING AND THE APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION BECAUSE NEITHER MET THE REQUISITE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT SENT OPTED TO CHANGE VENUES AND REQUESTED VIA A ZONING APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, THEREBY REMOVING IT FROM THE PURVIEW OF THE H V R C ON FRIDAY, MAY 28TH. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT DETERMINED THAT THE W BUILDING WAS QUOTE, AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASE AND SIGNED THE AFFIDAVIT IN VIEW OF THE DETAILED O H P REPORTS THAT THE RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF BOTH THE REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND OF DEMOLITION. 
          IT IS DIFFICULT TO SEE THIS EMERGENCY DEMOLITION REQUEST AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN END RUN AROUND THE PROCESS OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIBLE HISTORICAL STEWARDSHIP AND A SUBVERSION OF PRACTICE, IF YOU WILL, THAT THIS ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION EFFECTIVELY REMOVES THE CASE FROM THE PUBLIC DOCKET OF THE ZONING COMMISSION AND CLOSES OFF. 
          PUBLIC COMMENT IS AN AFFRONT TO THE GOODWILL OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE TIME AND THE ENERGY THEY SPENT PREPARING TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE ZONING COMMISSION ON JUNE 1ST AND THE CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 3RD. 
          HI, MY NAME IS BRIAN STARK. 
          MY NUMBER IS 2 1 0 3 8 0 1 5 1 6. 
          I LIVE AT, UH, 9 4 2 WEST MISSILE TOE. 
          UH, WANTED TO CALL IN SUPPORT OF REZONING. 
          UM, AND LAST THREE DIGITS ARE 0 4 8. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO 8 31 WEST COMMERCE, UM, IT NEEDS TO GET, YOU KNOW, REZONED AND DEMOLISHED DUE TO PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CALL ME. 
          I AGAIN, YOU HAVE MY NUMBER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BYE. 
          SIMA COLVIN, 8 1 7 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          RECENTLY THIS COMMISSION HEARD A REQUEST BY THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO REZONE A HISTORIC HOME AS A LANDMARK OVER THE PROPERTY OWNER'S OBJECTION. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS TOOK ISSUE WITH OUR REQUEST AND POINTED OUT THAT IF WE THOUGHT THE HOME DESERVED HISTORIC DESIGNATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE PROCEEDED BEFORE IT BECAME A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT POINT TAKEN. 
          AND AS I WENT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY TO REPORT THE RESULTS, THE CONSTANT DRUMBEAT OF, WELL, IF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WERE AN HISTORIC DISTRICT, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER. 
          OR UNLESS YOU'RE HISTORIC, YOU CAN'T REALLY PROTECT YOUR BUILDINGS FROM DEMOLITION PLAYED IN THE BACK OF MY MIND AS I WATCHED THIS CASE FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF I 10. 
          I FEEL NOW AS IF IT'S A FOOLS ERRAND TO GO THROUGH THOSE EXTRA STEPS BECAUSE IF THE RIGHT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY COMES ALONG, THE DOLLARS WILL ALWAYS OVERRIDE THE INTANGIBLE VALUE OF HISTORY, CULTURE, AND TRADITION. 
          HERE IS THE LANGUAGE THE CITY COUNCIL USES ON RESOLUTIONS RELATIVE TO HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          THE CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND ENHANCE HISTORICALLY, CULTURALLY, ARCHITECTURALLY, AND ARCHEOLOGICALLY SIGNIFICANT SITES AND STRUCTURES WHICH IMPART A DISTINCT ASPECT TO THE CITY AND SERVE AS VISIBLE REMINDERS OF THE CITY'S CULTURE AND HERITAGE. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED HISTORIC AND IS LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          IT IS VERY CLEARLY A SITE WHICH IS HISTORICALLY AND CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT. 
          PLEASE CONSIDER THIS CASE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, NOT BASED ON WHAT YOU'D WANT TO SEE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR DISTRICT. 
          PLEASE SUPPORT THE WEST SIDE COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES ARE INTERTWINED WITH THE HISTORY OF THIS SPANISH LANGUAGE PRINT SHOP, RESPECT THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS AND THEIR VALUE TO THAT WHICH MAKES SAN ANTONIO SO CULTURALLY RICH AND HELP THEM STAVE OFF THE PRESSURE FROM DEVELOPERS WAITING FOR THE FIRST DOMINO ON THAT CORNER IN THE CATTLEMAN MARKET, HISTORIC DISTRICT TO FALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS CYNTHIA STEELMAN. 
          CAN I LIVE AT 900 WEST WOODLAWN SEVEN EIGHT TWO ZERO ONE. 
          MY PHONE NUMBER'S (210) 396-3688 AND I'M CALLING AND CASE NUMBER FOUR EIGHT IN WHICH THE APPLICANT REQUESTING OF DEPOSITION. 
          PLEASE DENY THE REQUEST FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          THIS BUILDING IS NO LESS ARCHITECTURALLY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY CULTURALLY IMPORTANT THAN IT WAS WHEN, WHEN IT WAS DESIGNATED HISTORIC. 
          WE CAN'T SET A PRECEDENT IN SAN ANTONIO, WHICH A PROPERTY OWNER NEGLECTS A HISTORIC LANDMARK IN THE HOPES OF ITS DESTRUCTION. 
          SO IT CAN BE SOLD FOR DEVELOPMENT OR AT A HIGHER PRICE. 
          WE CANNOT ENCOURAGE THAT KIND OF RECKLESSNESS. 
          WE CANNOT PUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE CITY IN JEOPARDY USING WHAT IS LEFT, PARTICULARLY ON THE WEST SIDE 
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OF OUR HISTORY AND CHARACTER. 
          DON'T DESTROY THE VERY THING THAT MAKES SAN ANTONIO UNIQUE. 
          WHAT WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE IS RENOVATION AND INCORPORATION TO COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          I KNOW IT IS NOT IN YOUR PURVIEW, BUT THE RESTORATION OF THE WIT BUILDING SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, THIS IS DIXON YANG. 
          I LIVE ON 6 1 1 TAMMY DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 6 AND I'M CALLING ABOUT, UH, CASE NUMBER LAST THREE DIGITS ARE 8 3 1. 
          UH, I'M SUPPORTING THE REZONING, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A HISTORICAL, UH, BUILDING AND IT'S NOT, UH, AND WE NEED TO, UH, WE NEED THAT THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO BE RE UH, REMOVED TO ALLOW AND MORE BUSINESS BEEN A PART OF SAN, UH, FOR 80 YEARS. 
          SO, UM, WE'D LIKE TO SUPPORT THAT THEIR CAUSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME'S IS RODRIGUEZ. 
          I'M FROM THE LOMA VISTA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 0 4 8. 
          UM, THE REASON I AM CALLING IS I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE ARE IN, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH A GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF THE AREA TO, IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGE. 
          ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I, UM, DISCUSSED WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE AGAIN, IS THAT THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT THE FAMILY HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS IN THE AREA. 
          UM, THEN KUN YEN, THE GRANDFATHER STARTED HIS TRIP FROM CHINA OVER HERE, 1903, ARRIVED IN 1905 AND ESTABLISHED A RESTAURANT NEAR MILAN PARK. 
          THEN IT MOVED CLOSER TO WHERE THE EXISTING AREA IS, AND THEN THIS IS THE LAST AREA WHERE THEY ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY. 
          THE OTHER THING IS THAT PEOPLE CONFUSE IT AS HAVING DIFFERENT OWNERSHIPS, BUT IN FACT WHAT IT IS, IS THAT WENT FROM A TRUST TO A PARTNERSHIP. 
          SO THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED SOME CONFUSION THAT THEY ARE NEW OWNERS. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA ARE NOT AWARE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION, SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE, ARE FINDING OUT THE HARD WAY. 
          THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE EARTH REGARDING THE SAFETY OF THE STRUCTURE, YOU WILL SEE THAT ON THAT STREET THERE ARE PEOPLE STANDING THERE IN FRONT OF THAT FACADE THAT IS TO BE PROTECTED. 
          UM, SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IS A . 
          IT SAYS THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF WAS, UH, IS ACTUALLY, UH, BUILT IN 1950, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THE, WHAT THE WIT, THE WHIT BROTHER BOUGHT THE MACHINERY AT THAT TIME SO THAT THEY COULD CONTINUE THE BUSINESS AND IT ACTUALLY ENDED IN 1970. 
          SO PLEASE BE AWARE, AWARE OF THESE THINGS. 
          AND AGAIN, WE ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FROM THAT AREA IN THAT, UM, IT IS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE AND SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER. 
          I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2 IN THE TOBIN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UH, MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 223-2814. 
          THIS IS ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 6 8 21 WEST COMMERCE STREET, THE WHITT BUILDING. 
          I REQUESTED THE COMMISSION DENY THIS CASE BECAUSE IT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ALL THE OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN LANDMARKS IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          IF THE HISTORIC AND HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT DESIGNATIONS ARE REMOVED, THE W BUILDING WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE DEMOLISHED. 
          THIS IS NOT HOW CITY PROCESSES SET IN PLACE TO PROTECT HISTORIC BUILDINGS SHOULD WORK. 
          ALLOWING HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO BE REMOVED MEANS THAT THE EXISTENCE OF STRUCTURES WE KNOW ARE SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT TO THE HISTORY OF OUR CITY CAN BE REMOVED ON A WHIM. 
          DO WE REALLY WANT THIS TO HAPPEN IN THIS CITY, WHICH BENEFITS SO MUCH FROM ITS HISTORIC ENVIRONMENT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          HELLO, JUNE 1ST, 2021. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, ZONING K 0 4 8 HISTORIC WITH BUILDING AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. 
          MY NAME IS IMA HOFFMAN. 
          ADDRESS 30 11 WHITETAIL DRIVE. 
          YESTERDAY, MAY 31ST. 
          WE MET WITH CONSTANTLY WITH COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION, SIR. 
          SOME CONCERNS ARE AS FOLLOWS, HISTORIC WESTSIDE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION HAS NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS A WORKABLE SOLUTION WITH THE W BUILDING. 
          NUMBER TWO, ALSO OF CONCERN IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT DEC IS DECLINING AND I RESPECTING THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION 
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GIVEN TO THE W BUILDING BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          ALSO, NUMBER THREE, WE ALSO EMPHASIZE THAT OUR DISTRICT FIVE COUNCILWOMAN SHIRLEY GONZALEZ, IS INTERVIEWED IN THE SAN ANTONIO HERRON ON MAY 28TH, HAS ADVOCATED THAT THE BRICK BUILDING CAN BE SAVED WITH THE HELPLESS CITY INCENTIVE. 
          ALSO, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS NEED TO BE VIGILANT OF APPLICANTS USING LOOPHOLES TO BYPASS ZONING COMMISSIONER APPROVAL. 
          WE ASKED THE ZONING COMMISSION TO GIVE VALUE TO OUR HISTORIC CITY AND OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT MAKE OUR CITY ONE OF THE FOUR UNIQUE CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MY NAME IS MARIELLA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, MY ADDRESS IS, UM, 4 0 9 ARBOR PLACE. 
          I AM CALLING REGARDING THE ZONING CASE Z 20 21 1 0 7 0 0 0 48. 
          UM, GARDENDALE IS IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGE, UM, AS THE GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, WE RESPECT THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF ITS DESIGNATED HISTORICAL BUILDINGS. 
          HOWEVER, AFTER REVIEW OF, UH, INFORMATION, UH, FIRSTHAND, UH, VISUAL OF PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY AND THE BUILDING BEING CONSIDERED, WE DID SEE PROOF OF THE, THAT THERE'S AN ENGINEER LETTER DESIGNATING THE BUILDING AS UNREPAIRABLE AND AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE. 
          THEREFORE, WE, WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING CHANGE SO THE BUILDING CAN BE, UH, CONSIDERED A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE AND DEMOLISHED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, HELLO, I'M CALLING ABOUT Z 2 0 2 1 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 0 4 8 PROPERTY ON 8 31 WEST COMMERCE. 
          MY NAME IS MARITA ENRIQUEZ AND I DO LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, ADDRESS 4 31 GENERAL KRUGER BOULEVARD, THE ZIP CODE 7 8 2 1 3. 
          UM, HAVE LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO MY WHOLE LIFE, HAVE WORKED DOWNTOWN FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND I'M CALLING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE, UM, IT IS JUST AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOWN. 
          UM, IN THE LAST YEAR IT HAS JUST DETERIORATE, DETERIORATED SO BAD THAT IT REALLY IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. 
          SEEING DRUGGIES AND SEEING HOMELESS PEOPLE AROUND THERE. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU CAN SAVE THE FACADE AND MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, UM, TO BE USED, UM, AT THE FRONT OF ANOTHER PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE NICE. 
          BUT THE ACTUAL BUILDING NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN FOR SAFETY REASONS. 
          UM, PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 349-9133. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          GOODBYE. 
          HI, I'M CALLING ON CASE NUMBER B 2 0 2 1 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 0 4 8. 
          MY NAME IS MICHAEL GAR GAR. 
          I LIVE AT 41 27 OUGH DRIVE. 
          I SUPPORT REZONING BECAUSE IT'S PART OF MY DAILY ROUTINE TO DELIVER FOOD PRODUCTS TO GOLDEN STAR AND THE BUILDING'S IN REALLY POOR SHAPE. 
          THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF HOMELESS PEOPLE ALL AROUND. 
          PEOPLE WILL TRY TO GET IN THERE. 
          UH, IT'S JUST NOT SAFE AND IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          THIS IS RAPHAEL GARZA, VICE PRESIDENT OF GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          WE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF THIS AREA. 
          I LIVE ON 4 0 9 ARBOR PLACE. 
          WE ARE IN FAVOR OF ZONING CHANGE CASE NUMBER Z. 
          THAT'S 2 0 2 1 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 0 48. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS THAT SOME FAMILY IN OUR AREA ARE NOT AWARE OF WHEN HISTORICAL DESTINATION WAS GIVEN TO THEIR HOMES. 
          SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE GOLDEN STAR WAS NOT AWARE EITHER. 
          SO WE ARE IN FAVOR 
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OF ZONING CHANGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOODBYE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS STEVE TY, 1 0 5 RENO STREET. 
          I'M CALLING ON ITEM SIX, CASE 48. 
          SAN ANTONIO HAS A WORLD HERITAGE SITE WHICH RECOGNIZES THOSE WHO SETTLED SAN ANTONIO THREE OVER 300 YEARS AGO AS STEWARDS OF A WORLD HERITAGE SITE. 
          OUR CITY SHOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS WITH CASUAL REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS. 
          51% OF PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE TO AGREE IN WRITING WHEN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS CREATED. 
          I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF 5% OF THE CURRENT CATTLEMAN SQUARE OWNERS KNOW OF THIS REQUEST TO REMOVE THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          WE SHOULD NOT CARVE OUT ONE PROPERTY JUST ON THE INDIVIDUAL OWNER'S REQUEST. 
          WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE URGENT ABOUT A REMOVAL OF AN HISTORIC DESIGNATION? REALLY, I CANNOT THINK OF ONE VALID REASON TO RUSH THIS. 
          THE ACCELERATED PACE THAT THIS CASE IS ON FLIES IN THE FACE OF A STUDY THAT TOOK 300 YEARS TO BECOME WHAT IT IS TODAY. 
          PLEASE DO NOT RUSH TO TEAR OUT A PAGE IN OUR CITY'S STORY. 
          CITY COUNCIL IN THIS HIGHLY DISPUTED STATE IS A DISSERVICE TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE THIS CASE TO GIVE TIME FOR COMMUNICATION AND CLARITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M CALLING ON CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 2 1 0 0 7 0 0 4 8. 
          IT'S 8 31 WEST COMMERCE. 
          UH, MY NAME IS STEVEN PRESCOTT AND I SUPPORT THE, THE REZONING BECAUSE OF PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          UH, THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE IT'S FIXED IN THE COLLAPSE AND THE CEILING ALREADY HAS. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, I SUPPORT THE, THE REZONING FOR DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'M THOMAS, 24 20 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE, APARTMENT THREE OH ONE. 
          MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN TWO SIX THREE SEVEN EIGHT NINE OH. 
          AND I'M SPEAKING ON ITEM 6 2 1 3 9 5 OH. 
          WHIT AND COMPANY BUILDING. 
          WHIT AND COMPANY PRINTING WAS ESTABLISHED BY WHIT WHO FLED TO SAN ANTONIO IN 1914, WHO ESCAPED BEING KILLED FOR HIS POLITICAL VIEWS DURING THE TURMOIL OF THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION. 
          THE WHITT PUBLISHING COMPANY IS REMARKABLE FOR ITS ROLE IN PRINTING SPANISH LANGUAGE MATERIALS AND PUBLICATIONS. 
          AT THIS TIME, SAN ANTONIO HAS MOST SPANISH LANGUAGE PUBLISHING HOUSES OF ANY CITY IN THE UNITED STATES. 
          LOCAL SPANISH LANGUAGE PUBLISHING COMPANIES INCLUDING LA CASA LOSANO AND ILLA PRINTERS, AMONG OTHERS. 
          THE WITH PUBLISHING COMPANY OPERATED UNTIL THE LATE 1970S. 
          IT IS A SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL STOREFRONT BUILDING FACING WEST HOUSTON STREET WITH A WELL-PRESERVED MISSION. 
          REVIVAL PARAPET. 
          A STUCCO BUILDING HAS TEXTURE TILES AND CANOPY HOOKS. 
          IT IS A STURDY CONSTRUCTION WITH THE ROOF THAT NEEDS STABILIZATION BUT IS OTHERWISE WELL PRESERVED AND IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE CATTLEMAN'S COMPLEX THAT HAS OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS WORTHY OF PRESERVATION. 
          A HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION, THE WEST SIDE PRESENTA PRESERVATION ALLIANCE AND THE ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER ADAMANTLY CONCUR THAT THE DEMOLITION OF THE WIC BUILDING WILL LEAVE A PERMANENT DEEP SCAR IN THE WEST SIDE AND SAN ANTONIO'S DOWNTOWN HISTORIC FABRIC. 
          WE ADVOCATE THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE SITE. 
          WE DO NOT NEED MORE PARKING LOTS OR HIGH RENT COOKIE CUTTER LIVING QUARTERS. 
          I DO NOT ENHANCE THE CULTURE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VELMA PENA. 
          I LIVE AT 1 1 1 1 PATTON SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO THREE SEVEN. 
          PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 724-7449. 
          FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE SUBMITTED A LETTER FROM THE WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COALITION TO MICHAEL PEPPE REGARDING CASE NUMBER Z 20 21 1 0 7 0 0 4 LOS LOS ENTENTES, MEMORIAL HEIGHTS, ROOSEVELT PARK WEST HOPE IN ACTION IN WESTWOOD SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE ARE REQUESTING CASE NUMBER Z 20 21 1 0 1 0 7 0 0 4 8 B DENIED BY THE ZONING COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
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ALRIGHT SIR, WE HAVE FOUR LIVE CALLERS. 
          THE FIRST CALLER IS TONY GARCIA. 
          MR. GARCIA, IF YOU'RE ON THE LINE, MAKE SURE TO HIT STAR AND SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. 
          AND GO AHEAD. 
          YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU MR. GARCIA. 
          OKAY THEN YES. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MY NAME IS TONY GARCIA WITH THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          I LIVE AT 2 43 EAST WEED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. 
          OUR STATEMENT IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX ON MAY THE FIFTH, 2021. 
          THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION CONCURRED WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND REJECTED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR THE REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND SUBSEQUENT DEMOLITION FOR 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. 
          THE WITT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION DETERMINED THAT THE APPLICANT HAD NOT PROVIDED SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO DEMONSTRATE AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP FOR DEMOLITION NOR COMPELLING EVIDENCE TO WARRANT REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION STEERING COMMITTEE FINDS A CURRENT ZONING APPLICATIONS REQUEST FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE H HISTORIC AND HISTORIC SIGNIFICANT OVERLAYS AS AN ATTEMPT TO ER THE DECISIONS OF THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          REMOVING THE HISTORIC ZONING OVERLAYS WOULD CREATE A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT WOULD SET THE GROUNDWORK FOR FUTURE DEMOLITION REQUESTS IN THIS AND OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS. 
          EQUALLY IMPORTANT IS THE FACT THAT WE BELIEVE THIS REQUEST IS CONTRARY TO THE CITY'S PROCESS FOR PROTECTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. 
          WE REQUEST AND WOULD SUPPORT THE CITY'S WORK WITH RELEVANT PARTIES TO IMMEDIATELY IMPLEMENT A STABILIZATION PLAN TO ADDRESS ANY POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUES AND WITHDRAW THE EXISTING EMERGENCY DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PERMIT FOR THE W BUILDING. 
          IN THE INTERIM, THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION STEERING COMMITTEE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THAT THE APPLICATION FOR CASE O 0 4 8 BE DENIED BY THE ZONING COMMISSION. 
          SAVE THE WIT. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY, RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THIS TO THE COMMISSION TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. GARCIA. 
          UH, MR. GARCIA, IF YOU WOULD STAY ON THE LINE. 
          SORRY. 
          YES, YES, YES, I WILL. 
          AND, UH, STAFF, I'M SORRY I INTERRUPTED YOU. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          UH, JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT IF YOU WANTED TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM TO DO SO NOW, SO THAT WAY WE CAN THEN GO TO THE NEXT CALLER AFTER HIM. 
          UM, I'M HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION RIGHT NOW. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GARCIA? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, UH, THANK YOU MR. GARCIA. 
          IF WE COULD HAVE THE NEXT CALL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. 
          THE NEXT CALL IS LIO VALDEZ. 
          MS. VALDEZ, IF YOU'RE THERE, PLEASE HIT SIX. 
          TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, YOU CAN START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, MS. VALDEZ, IF YOU'D HIT STAR SIX, PLEASE MS. VALDEZ, STAR SIX. 
          IF NOT, WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          CHAIR. 
          UH, LAST TRY. 
          MS. VALDEZ, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. 
          UH, BUT IF YOU HIT STAR SIX, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU NOW. 
          ALL RIGHT, STEPH, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE AND TRY TO GET MS. VALDEZ, UH, LATER ON. 
          UH, NEXT CALLER IS HENRY RODRIGUEZ. 
          UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU'RE THERE, HIT SIX, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU CAN START. 
          YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. 
          START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, MR. RODRIGUEZ. 
          MR. RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU'D HIT STAR SIX, PLEASE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, MR. RODRIGUEZ. 
          ALRIGHT, STAFF, LET'S DO THE SAME THING. 
          LET'S CIRCLE BACK. 
          UH, NEXT CALLER. 
          NEXT CALLER IS SUSANNA URA. 
          UH, MS. URA, IF YOU'RE THERE, PLEASE HIT STAR SIX. 
          GO UNMUTE YOURSELF. 
          UM, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. 
          START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          MS. URA, PLEASE. 
          OKAY, AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS ANA. 
          I'M WITH THE ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER. 
          WE DO 
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NOT SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC AND HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE ZONING OVERLAYS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED TO PROTECT AND SUPPORT THE HISTORIC NATURE AND FABRIC OF THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE ESPERANZA IS THE STEWARD OF THE LAMAS BUILDING NEAR THE VERY IMPORTANT CROSSROADS OF ANDRA, BOTH A CITY LANDMARK AND A BUILDING ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. 
          OUR BUILDING IS FOUR TIMES AS LARGE AND OUR WALLS WERE IN WORSE CONDITION THAN THE WIC PRINTING COMPANY. 
          AND WE HAVE MANAGED TO SECURE FUNDING TO STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE. 
          WE ARE VERY NEAR OPENING THE VERY FIRST BAY INSIDE OF THAT BUILDING CALLED , SO THAT IT CAN FUNCTION AS A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE AND CULTURAL CENTER. 
          WE WANT TO SET THE EXAMPLE AND ENCOURAGE OTHER INDIVIDUALS, ORGANIZATIONS, AND DEVELOPERS TO HELP US PRESERVE OUR HISTORICALLY ARCHITECTURALLY AND CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT. 
          WE DID NOT SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC AND HISTORIC SIGNIFICANT ZONING OVERLAYS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED TO PROTECT, I'M GETTING SOME FEEDBACK. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          PRESERVING AND PROTECTING PLACES OF ARCHITECTURAL, CULTURAL, OR HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE WITH HISTORIC ZONING OVERLAYS ALLOWS FOR THE ENHANCEMENT OF OUR GREATER BUILT ENVIRONMENT AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS GREAT CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          THE ZONING COMMISSION SHOULD ENCOURAGE PRESERVATION, INNOVATIVE RESTORATION, AND ADAPTIVE REUSE OF STRUCTURES BY MAINTAINING ZONING OVERLAYS. 
          THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS SHOULD WORK HAND IN HAND AND SUPPORT HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION GUIDELINES, AND THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION SUGGESTIONS AS IT PERTAINS TO MAINTAINING ZONING OVERLAYS, REMOVAL OF HISTORIC OVERLAYS, SETS OF DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR INDIVIDUALS AND DEVELOPERS THAT BUY INTO HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVE NO INTENTION OF BEING GOOD CULTURAL STEWARDS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND HISTORIC RESTORATION CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES. 
          FURTHERMORE, THE ESPERANZA PEACE JUSTICE CENTER ASKED FOR INTERVENTION ON BEHALF OF THE WIC PRINTING COMPANY BY REQUESTING THAT THE BUILDING BE IMMEDIATELY STABILIZED WITH WALL SHORING AND THAT THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ORDER ISSUED BY MICHAEL SHANNON BE REMOVED. 
          WE DO NOT WANT ANY MORE DEMOLITIONS BASED ON GLASS WITHIN OUR HISTORIC WEST SIDE COMMUNITY OR IN ANY HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, THANK YOU MS. COMMISSIONER. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. URDA. 
          IF YOU'D STAY ON THE LINE PLEASE, UH, FOR ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, I CAN DO THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SEGURA? SEEING NONE, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. SURA. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CALLER PLEASE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MUTED THEMSELVES. 
          SO, VAR, IF YOU'RE THERE SIX TO UNMUTE MS. VALDEZ, IF YOU COULD UNMUTE YOURSELF AND WE CAN HEAR YOUR STATEMENT. 
          IF NOT, MR. RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU'RE THERE, GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS HENRY RODRIGUEZ 1 0 5 OAKWOOD DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 28. 
          I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR LULAC CONCILIO. 
          UM, I SAT ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR MANY YEARS, AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE, YOU LISTENED VERY INTENTLY AND IN AND WANTING NOT TO BE REDUNDANT. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE HEARD SOME VERY COMPELLING STATEMENTS FROM SOME VERY RESPONSIBLE GROUPS THAT ARE AGAINST THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING. 
          LEMME JUST SAY THAT LULAC HAS A LONG HISTORY OF WORKING TO PRESERVE THE, THE, THE, THE HISPANIC, THE LATINO RIGHTS, AND AS IT PERTAINS TO EDUCATION, CIVIL RIGHTS, AND PRESERVING OUR PRECIOUS HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND A LOT HAS HAPPENED IN OUR COMMUNITIES WHERE SOME OF OUR VERY HISTORICAL BUILDINGS HAVE JUST BEEN DEMOLISHED WITHOUT ANY, ANY REGARDS TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HISTORY WITH THE WHI BUILDING THAT, UH, MR. RERA, WHO BECAME PRESIDENT OF LU, OUR NATIONAL LULAC, DID BUSINESS WITH A WHEAT BUILDING. 
          AND THE KETTLEMANS, UH, SQUARE HOME DISTRICT HAS, IS AN INTEGRAL, AND THAT BUILDING IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE, OF THE HISTORIC CATTLEMAN SQUARE. 
          WE ARE VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO, TO, TO THE DEMOLITION OF, OF SET BUILDING. 
          PLEASE LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THE COMPELLING STORIES OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU. 
          I KNOW HOW IT WORKS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MR. RODRIGUEZ. 
          IF YOU'D STAY ON THE LINE FOR ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS? 
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UH, COMMISSIONER SITES WITHOUT ANY, ANY REGARDS TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY? YES. 
          UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CALLER AND, AND WE'VE HEARD, UH, WELL, THE PREVIOUS CALLER TALKED ABOUT, UH, UH, LMAS. 
          AND WE, YOU KNOW, I I'M SURE A LOT OF US ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT BUILDING, BUT COULD THE CALLER EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON, ON, WE'VE HEARD SOME OF THE CALLERS TALK ABOUT CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. 
          COULD YOU KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS, OF THIS BUILDING? MR. RODRIGUEZ, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO START SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF AGAIN BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING FEEDBACK. 
          AND MR. RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU'D, UH, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THE HEARING LIVE, PLEASE, UH, TURN THE SOUND DOWN ON THAT ALL THE WAY AS THERE IS A LOOP AND WE GET FEEDBACK WHEN THAT OCCURS. 
          BUT MR. RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU PRESS STAR SIX AND EXPAND UPON THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE WHIT BUILDING. 
          SO I DON'T THINK HE'S STILL ON THE CALL. 
          LOOKS LIKE HE MIGHT HAVE HUNG UP. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES, I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE ONE MORE CALLER, . 
          OKAY. 
          SO MAYBE, MAYBE WE CAN ASK THIS OF MS. VALDEZ, UH, STAFF IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO MS. VALDEZ. 
          AMELIA VALDEZ, ARE YOU THERE? THERE STILL SEEMS TO BE ONE PERSON STILL ON THE LINE, BUT WE'RE UNSURE WHO IT IS. 
          IF IT'S NOT MS. VALDEZ, THEN UH, THAT PERSON CAN PICK UP. 
          ALRIGHT, STEPH, I DID ALSO RECEIVE A NOTE, UM, THAT MS. LETICIA SANCHEZ LEFT A MESSAGE THIS MORNING AND IT DID NOT GET PRESENTED. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT? SO SHE'S ONE OF TWO CALLERS, WELL, ACTUALLY THERE WAS A TOTAL OF SIX CALLERS WHEN WE WERE CALLING TO PATCH THEM IN, THEY DECIDED TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT HEARING TO BE CALLED IN. 
          AND THAT WAS BOTH FOR RICK SHELL AND LETICIA SANCHEZ. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, SHE TEXTED ME, SAID THAT SHE LEFT A MESSAGE AND IT WASN'T PLAYED. 
          UM, SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          UH, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, SO ALL THE VOICEMAILS THAT WERE PLAYED TODAY AND LEFT FOR TODAY WON'T BE PLAYED AGAIN AT THE NEXT HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          IF SHE, IF SHE LEFT A VOICEMAIL TO BE CALLED IN, WE DID NOT SAVE THAT VOICEMAIL. 
          WE WERE, WE WERE CALLING HER IN AND THAT'S WHEN SHE, SHE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY, BUT SHE WAS GONNA, UH, JOIN AS A LIVE CALLER FOR THE NEXT HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          ALRIGHT, I'M GETTING SOME DISPUTES ON THAT BASIS. 
          UM, LET ME SEE IF WE CAN RESOLVE THAT IN SOME MANNER. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A NUMBER FOR MS. SANCHEZ? DO YOU STAFF? YES, WE DO. 
          UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CALL HER AND SEE IF SHE WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION LIVE? SO WE DID. 
          SHE WAS ONE, SO THERE WAS SIX LIVE CALLERS. 
          SHE WAS INCLUDED AS ONE OF THOSE SIX WHEN WE CALLED HER TO JOIN IN. 
          RIGHT WHEN THE HEARING STARTED. 
          SHE HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY AND SHE DECIDED THAT SHE WOULD NOT BE A LIVE CALLER TODAY. 
          SHE'LL BE A LIVE CALLER AT THE NEXT HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          YES, AND I, MY THOUGHTS GO OUT TO MS. SANCHEZ AND HER MOTHER, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PLAY HER MESSAGE OR REACH HER TODAY GIVEN HER MOTHER'S HEALTH ISSUE. 
          UM, SO, OKAY. 
          STAFF, WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE O H P PRESENT TODAY, UH, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          DO WE WANT TO HAVE THEM PROVIDE A PRESENTATION STAFF? I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE HERE, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF STAFF WE HAVE AND THE VARIOUS MOVING PARTS HERE. 
          THEY'RE ON THE CALL IN CASE OF ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, WE WOULD RESERVE THE PRESENTATION TO BE DONE AT THE NEXT HEARING. 
          UH, THAT SOUNDS OKAY TO ME. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO, SIR. 
          NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          AND WE NEVER GOT MS. VALDEZ. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE. 
          UM, 
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SO IT DOES GO TO ME, UM, DIRECTOR SHANNON. 
          I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS TO YOU, UM, A NUMBER OF CALLERS ALLUDED TO OR MENTIONED, UH, AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION PERMIT THAT WAS RECEIVED LAST WEEK. 
          COULD YOU TELL, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ITEM OR THAT ISSUE? CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, SO THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PERMIT, BUT, UM, IT'S A PROCESS. 
          UH, IT'S CODIFIED IN, UH, OUR CITY CODE CHAPTER SIX, WHICH DEALS WITH, UH, DANGEROUS OR POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS STRUCTURES. 
          UM, MY STAFF RECEIVED A CALL LAST WEEK, KIND OF AN ANONYMOUS CALL LAST WEEK, SAYING THAT, UH, THIS BUILDING IS FURTHER DECLINING QUICKLY AND OR PRESENTS A DANGER. 
          SO, UH, OUR, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF, UH, AS WELL AS OUR CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, INSPECTED THE CURRENT, UH, STATUS OF THE BUILDING, UH, MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO ME THAT WAS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE, UH, POSSIBLY IN THE EMERGENCY, UH, DEMO DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT OR SUDDEN ACT WITH THE REIGNS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, I CHOSE, UH, OF COURSE TO, TO GO LOOK AT IT MYSELF WITH MY TEAM, UH, TO ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL NATURE HAZARD ASSOCIATED POTENTIAL HAZARD, AND, UH, AND FELT THERE WERE SEVERAL SAFETY ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          YOU KNOW, VERY QUICKLY, UH, THE PROCESS THEN IS CALLED, UH, EMERGENCY DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS. 
          UH, AND, UH, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A CITY CODE SECTION ON THAT. 
          UM, AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT STARTS THE PROCESS IN THE MEANTIME BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS BUILDING, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS BUILDING, UH, CERTAINLY COORDINATING WITH SHANNON MILLER, UH, AND, AND, UH, REGARDING THE HISTORIC NATURE. 
          UH, THIS SECTION OF OUR CODE THEN, UM, ALLOWS THE HISTORIC OFFICE WITH MS. MILLER, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY, OTHER HISTORIC STAKEHOLDERS TO QUICKLY ASSESS WHAT CAN BE DONE, IF ANYTHING, TO FEASIBLY STABILIZE THE BUILDING, UH, UH, RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN DEMOLISH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TIME LIMITS, CODIFIED 72 HOURS, 24 HOURS, ANOTHER 96 HOURS, UH, CERTAINLY WITH A LONG WEEKEND. 
          UH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT RIGHT NOW, DETERMINING WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS, UH, WHAT CAN BE BEASLY DONE TO STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE. 
          IN THE MEANTIME, UH, THERE'LL, UH, THERE'LL BE AN, THERE'LL BE A MEETING OF HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. 
          AS, AS MENTIONED, THEY'VE HEARD THIS CASE, UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO. 
          UH, AND, UH, FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, SIMILAR, BUT DIFFERENT REASONS. 
          SO WE WANT TO PRESENT IT TO THEM, UH, WITH MS. MILLER AND HER TEAM, UH, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER PLAN, UH, TO ABATE THE HAZARD, AND THAT THAT COULD INCLUDE, UH, STABILIZATION AND OR SOME FORM OF DEMOLITION. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED. 
          AND THAT'S, AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ZONING DETERMINATION WHILE THIS, YOU KNOW, SAFETY ISSUE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EMERGENCY SAFETY ISSUES BEING, UH, FINALIZED, WHICH AGAIN, IT HAS TO HAPPEN VERY, VERY QUICKLY. 
          THAT'S WHY, UH, OVER THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE OF DAYS, I THINK WE'LL BE PUTTING THAT ALL TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET A SOLUTION AND, UM, AND THEN IF APPROPRIATE, CERTAINLY BRING THIS BACK IF ALL PARTIES ARE WILLING. 
          SO THAT'S, IT'S A VERY, UH, I TRIED TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH AS I COULD WITHOUT GOING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DETAIL, BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME QUESTIONS OR I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW I'M GONNA ASK, UH, DIRECTOR MILLER, IF YOU WOULD, UH, I BELIEVE DIRECTOR SHANNON, UH, MENTIONED, UH, EMERGENCY H D R C MEETING. 
          COULD YOU GIVE THE COMMISSION A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? UM, SURE. 
          UH, WE TOMORROW, UM, WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AT THREE O'CLOCK IS THE REGULAR H D R C HEARING. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE POSTED AN, AN AGENDA AND A NO, A NOTICE FOR AN EMERGENCY HEARING, UM, RELATED TO THIS ITEM TO FOLLOW THE CONCLUSION OF THE, UM, REGULAR H G R C HEARING. 
          UM, IT'S POSTED FOR, UH, 6:00 PM OR AFTER, UM, SOMETIMES H G R C GOES LONGER THAN THAT, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL BE SOMETIME TOMORROW EVENING, UM, AT 6:00 PM OR AFTER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I GUESS DIRECTOR SHANNON, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WAS RAISED BY A NUMBER OF CALLERS HERE IS THE SORT OF ABRUPT NATURE OF THIS EMER EMERGENCY DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS, UM, REGARDING THAT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE 
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WAS THE H D R C MEETING ON MAY 5TH, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, IS HOW USUAL IS THAT PROCESS, UM, OR HOW OFTEN IS IT INVOKED BY YOUR DEPARTMENT? UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT, AND I THINK IT TOOK ME BY SURPRISE AS WELL. 
          SO IF YOU CAN GIVE US SOME INSIGHT INTO THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          WELL, EEM, EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS, UM, HAPPEN OCCASIONALLY. 
          UH, MOST OF THE TIME THEY, THEY OCCUR THROUGH WHAT WE REFER TO AS A SUDDEN ACT LIKE A FIRE. 
          UH, IT DEMOLISHES, UH, OR IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, LOSES 80% OF THE BUILDING ALMOST THE ENTIRE BUILDING. 
          AND WHAT'S LEFT STANDING IS A, YOU KNOW, GONNA HURT SOMEBODY IF IT STAYS. 
          THIS, THIS ONE THOUGH, UH, THIS IS A LITTLE MORE RARE, UH, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THAT'S BEEN DETERIORATING OVER TIME, UH, CERTAINLY WITH THE HEAVY RAINS AND STORMS HAVE LIKELY ADVANCED THAT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, UH, IN REVIEWING THE REPORTS, UM, AND PHOTOS ASSOCIATED WITH JUST A MONTH AND A HALF AGO TO NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOF COLLAPSE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AND WE JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE A, A PRETTY STORMY WET, UM, YOU KNOW, WINDY LAST COUPLE OF, UH, WEEKS, MONTHS. 
          SO I THINK IT, IT'S, IT'S RARE, UH, BUT I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO REALIZE THOUGH, IS ITS SAFETY HAS TO BE, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS ARGUING THAT SAFETY IS, IS, IS PARAMOUNT TO NOT ONLY PEOPLE. 
          AND, AND LUCKILY THIS IS A VACANT STRUCTURE. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A BUSINESS INSIDE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO BE INSIDE, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE AROUND IT, BOTH CUSTOMERS, WORKERS OF THE RESTAURANT, AS WELL AS, UM, SOME PEOPLE IN AND AROUND THE AREA. 
          UM, AND SO IT, IT, IT CREATES A HAZARD AND I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT. 
          SO IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME AS THE BUILDING AND CODE OFFICIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THE SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT TO, TO INVOKE THIS AND, AND ENSURE THAT THE HISTORIC PROTECTIONS THAT, THAT ARE OFFERED BY THIS PROCESS ARE DONE IN A VERY QUICK, UH, BUT, BUT COMPLETE MANNER. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IT IS NOT COMMON, UM, THAT, THAT WE INVOKE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT TOO COMMON THAT WE INVOKE THIS, BUT AGAIN, I THINK SAFETY IS OF EVERYONE'S CONCERN AND, AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO KIND OF ABATE THAT QUICKLY? SO I DON'T HOPE THAT ANSWERS IT, SO THANK YOU AND SPEAK. 
          SPEAKING OF THAT, UM, THE CITY HAS SECURED THIS SITE AS OF NOW, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND WORKING WITH THE OWNER VERY QUICKLY ON FRIDAY, NOT ONLY THE, THE SITE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THE EAST AND WEST SIDE, OF COURSE, UH, AND THEN WE TOOK SOME EXTRA PRECAUTIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, DUE TO THE CONCERN OF SHUTTING DOWN THAT, THAT THAT ONE LANE OF THE HOUSTON STREET, UH, THAT'S WHERE THAT STOREFRONT IS. 
          THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONABLE, UH, QUESTION OF STABILIZING AND OR HAZARD THERE. 
          UH, SO WE WANTED TO KEEP PEOPLE AWAY FROM THAT SIDEWALK AND THE STREET, UH, JUST AS WE FIGURE THIS OUT OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF DAYS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S CRUCIAL TO KEEP PEOPLE AWAY FROM THAT. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE ALREADY. 
          WE'VE HAD TO, TO WORK ON THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT YOU NEED TO COMPLETE NOW WITH REGARDING YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          IS THERE A RECORD, UH, IN THE PAST OF THIS OWNER EITHER BEING NOTIFIED, UH, OF, OF ISSUES WITH THE BUILDING AND THE STRUCTURE THAT HE NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION ON? OR IS THERE ANY INDICATION HE'S EVER COME IN TO PULL PERMITS TO DO SOME KIND OF RESTORATIVE WORK? I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          UH, SURE, UH, I, I'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, SHANNON, I THINK YOU CAN ADD IF YOU'D LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN UP TO, UM, APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS AGO, THERE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING WAS IN A LITTLE DIFFERENT CONDITION. 
          IT WAS NOT IN THE SHAPE IT IS TODAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS STARTING TO BE SOME HOLES IN THE ROOF AND THERE WAS SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN ENGINEERING REPORT AND SOME INFORMATION THAT THE OWNER HAD PRESENTED TO THE CITY INDICATING THAT IT WAS, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKELY GONNA DETERIORATE IF NOT FIXED. 
          AND IT WAS REALLY CHALLENGING TO FIX, UH, DUE TO THE UNIQUE NATURE OF IT. 
          SO IT, IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE CITY HAS HAD AN EYE ON ALONG WITH THE OWNER FOR A WHILE. 
          UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S BEEN THE LAST, UM, NOT ONLY WEEK, BUT MAYBE THE LAST, UH, PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THE, THE, THE, THE WEATHER RECENTLY IS REALLY CAUSING SOME CHALLENGES AND, AND SOME ROOF 
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COLLAPSE AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S RAMPING IT UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          YEAH, AND I, AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, UM, I, THERE HA THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE IT IS A VACANT BUILDING. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM TEAM, UM, REGARDING, UH, REGISTERING THE BUILDING AND, AND DEVELOPING A PLAN TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, SO THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          UM, THERE HAS NOT BEEN PREVIOUS, UH, REQUESTS LIKE, LIKE THIS, THIS RECENT REQUEST AT H D R C FOR DEMOLITION WAS, WAS THE, THE FIRST, THERE WASN'T A PREVIOUS H D R C CONSIDERATION OF THE DEMOLITION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT, UM, YES, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, THEN COMMISSIONER SIPES, THEN COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          SO COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION THEN TO THE STAFF OR MR. SHARON SHANNON. 
          SO YOU, THE CITY DOES HAVE AN OPTION TO ALSO UNDER SECTION SIX TO SPEND MONEY TO MAKE THE REPAIRS. 
          WHEN DID YOU INVOKE SECTION SIX ON THIS BUILDING AND HAD YOU CONSIDERED DOING THE REPAIRS FROM THE CITY'S END SINCE IT'S ALREADY DESIGNATED HISTORICAL LANDMARK? SO THE, AND THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GI. 
          UM, THE, THE SHORT, THE, THE FIRST QUESTION IS, IT WAS FRIDAY, UH, THIS PAST FRIDAY, UM, IS WHEN WE COMPLETED THE ANALYSIS. 
          UM, I, ALONG WITH MY STAFF WENT BACK OUT AND, AND ASSESSED IT DIRECTLY. 
          SO IT WAS, UH, IT WAS FRIDAY WHEN WE, WE MADE THE DETERMINATION AND I, I MADE THE DETERMINATION WE, UH, TO INVOKE THAT EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS. 
          UH, SO THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT VERY QUICKLY, UH, REGARDING, YOU KNOW, UH, STABILIZING IT AND WHO'S, WHO'S PAYING FOR IT. 
          UH, THAT'S A CHALLENGING ONE. 
          THIS IS A UNIQUE CASE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WE DO HAVE AN OWNER, YOU KNOW, THAT, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THE OWNER HERE, BUT WE, THEIR, THEIR WISH IS TO REMOVE THE STRUCTURE OR, OR A PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR PLAN TO ABATE THE HAZARD RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, STABILIZE IT. 
          SO AGAIN, THOSE CONVERSATIONS I THINK ARE HAPPENING NOW, UM, IN MY APPROVED BUDGET FROM THE CITY SIDE, WE HAVE AN APPROVED, UM, YOU KNOW, ABATEMENT BUDGET THAT INCLUDES BOARDING UP SOMETHING IF THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO A BETA HAZARD, UH, OR, OR DEMOING A STRUCTURE. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN EASY ANSWER FOR THE STABILIZATION WHERE THE CITY WOULD GO AND PAY FOR IT. 
          I CERTAINLY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT THAT MAY BE PART OF THE SOLUTION IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE A BUCKET OF MONEY THAT, THAT, UH, IN MY FUNDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS A SET ASIDE FOR THIS. 
          SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, I'M, YOU MIGHT BE MUTED. 
          I DID NOT MUTE. 
          SORRY. 
          SO YOU WOULD SAY THAT EITHER OPTION TO, UM, PUT SOME REPAIRS TO IT OR TO DEMOLISH IT IS, IS AN OPTION TO THE BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S DE DESIGNATION ON IT OR NOT? YES. 
          I THINK THAT THE GOAL, I THINK EVERYONE'S GOAL HERE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE BUILDING VERY QUICKLY BECOMES MUCH SAFER THAN IT IS NOW, OR THE HAZARD NEEDS TO BE ABATED. 
          AND THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY AND POTENTIAL, UH, OF STABILIZATION, UH, AND OR, UH, DEMOLITION. 
          SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ON THE TABLE. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING AND IS THAT, IS THAT THE OWNERS OR THE CITIES RESPONSE COST? I DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON THE, THE, THE DEMOLITION. 
          WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR, IF THE CITY HAS TO DO IT, WE WOULD, WE WOULD GO TO OUR CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAVE ON CONTRACT. 
          THEY WOULD GIVE US AN ESTIMATE BASED ON THE STRUCTURE. 
          UH, AND THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD EITHER PAY THAT IF THE OWNER DID NOT, AND THEN BILL THE OWNER. 
          SO THERE'S A PROCESS THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, COMMISSIONER SIPES, AND THEN COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, BRIGHTHOUSE. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS, UH, PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR O H P, UM, AND IN REGARDS TO THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE, YOU HAD, YOU HAD SPOKE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, THAT THERE WAS, IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT THERE, IT WAS ON THE RADAR, BUT THERE WAS A, THE BEGINNINGS OF AN ASSESSMENT. 
          I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ON, ON LIKE THE HISTORY WITH THIS BUILDING, UM, AND, 
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AND HOW THE, THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE WAS, WAS APPLIED TO THIS BUILDING. 
          I MEAN, WHAT, HAS IT BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND THE CITY HAS BEEN MONITORING THAT OVER, OVER SOME TIME? OR IS IT JUST A, A RECENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT IT'S GOTTEN ONTO THE RADAR? YEAH, I, I THINK, I MEAN IT, THE BUILDING HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN, WHEN IT BECAME VACANT, BUT, UM, THE, IT WAS IDENTIFIED, UM, AROUND THE SAME TIMEFRAME THAT, THAT MIKE SHANNON MENTIONED WHEN, UM, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, THE BUILDING AND THE OWNER DIDN'T, WAS UNCERTAIN ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO, TO REHAB IT. 
          AND THAT WAS AROUND THE TIME THAT IT BECAME, UM, THAT THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM TEAM BECAME AWARE OF IT TOO. 
          AND THEN THEY WORKED WITH THE OWNER. 
          THEY'VE BEEN, UM, KIND OF IN, IN CONVERSATION WITH, UH, THE LIM FAMILY AND, AND I BELIEVE WITH PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, UM, OFF AND ON, AND THE, THE OWNER DID, UH, REGISTER THE BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT OF COURSE THAT'S AN ANNUAL REQUIREMENT AND IT HASN'T BEEN REGISTERED FOR THIS YEAR BECAUSE, UM, THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY PURSUING THIS PROCESS KNOWING THAT THEY WANTED TO EITHER SELL OR, UM, AND OR DEMOLISH TO FOR REDEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S NOT CURRENTLY REGISTERED, BUT, BUT NO, UH, FAILURE TO REGISTER A CASE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAS BEEN FILED YET. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE FOR THAT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PROCESS FOR THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN I HAVE A, I GUESS A, A QUESTION THAT EITHER TENANT CAN ANSWER OR PERHAPS STAFF, AND THAT'S, I'VE, I'VE HEARD TALK OF WHETHER IT'S A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          IS KETTLEMAN SQUARE A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR IS THIS AN INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC LANDMARK THAT HAPPENS TO RESIDE WITHIN THE KETTLEMAN SQUARE DISTRICT? IT IS, IT IS BOTH ACTUALLY. 
          IT, IT IS, IT IS A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY IN THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND IT IS, IT ALSO IS DESIGNATED AS AN INDIVIDUAL HISTORIC LANDMARK. 
          NORMALLY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU SEE ALL THE TIME. 
          I MEAN, ONE IS REALLY SUFFICIENT, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT ACTUALLY GOT DESIGNATED TWICE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, AND, UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I GUESS I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON OUR PATHS FORWARD AND KIND OF WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. 
          SO, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SO REGARDLESS OF OF OUR DECISION TODAY, WHETHER THE ZONING COMMISSION GRANTS A CONTINUANCE OR WE, WE VOTE ON THIS, UM, THE, THE PATH OF THIS DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT AS EMERGENCY DEMOLITION WILL CONTINUE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR THE CONTINUANCE IN THE ZONING COMMISSION TO JUST MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS, WHICH AGAIN INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT A FOREGONE CONCLUSION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT HOW DO YOU ABATE THE HAZARD AND CREATE A SAFE SITUATION THROUGH STABILIZATION AND OR DEMOLITION OR PARTIAL DEMOLITION OR WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN FIRST. 
          'CAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT NOW, TOMORROW'S MEETING WITH THE H D R C, ALONG WITH THE TIME LIMIT SET FORTH IN OUR CODE, DICTATE THAT THAT SHOULD BE RESOLVED THIS WEEK. 
          ONCE THAT'S FINALIZED AND THERE'S A PLAN AND THE ACTUAL EXECUTION OF THAT PLAN HAPPENS, THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY DECIDE TO BRING IT BACK IF THE OWNER AND EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BRING IT BACK, UM, FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE LAND USE ISSUE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT WAS THE LONG ANSWER TO YOUR SHORT QUESTION, SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, I'M, I'M STILL NOT SURE I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, BUT, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, I, I GUESS AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF OUR DECISION TODAY, YOUR PROCESS CONTINUES FORWARD. 
          THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANNA KNOW. 
          SO IF WE, IF WE VOTED TODAY AND, AND RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL OF THE REQUEST TO REMOVE THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, YOU WOULD STILL BE CONTINUING ON WITH YOUR EMERGENCY DEMOLITION PROCESS THAT OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND, AND YES, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN, SO, SO THE PATH FORWARD FROM HERE, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY, THERE'S KIND OF TWO, TWO PATHS THAT THE CITY IS, IS, IS LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, EITHER, 
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UM, OR, OR SOME COMBINATION OF THE TWO, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, UM, DEMOLITION OR PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND OR STABILIZATION, OR PARTIAL STABILIZATION. 
          AND I GUESS, WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT, THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING IN THAT AND, AND WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF, UM, ASSURANCES CAN THE COMMUNITY HAVE THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO, TO HONOR THE, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE PROPERTY AS IT STANDS? BECAUSE IF WE CONTINUE THIS CASE, THERE WILL STILL BE A HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON THE PROPERTY. 
          SO I THINK THE, THE COMMUNITY FROM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE BEING RESPECTED. 
          SURE. 
          AND I, I DON'T WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF SHANNON ON THIS. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE. 
          YOU HAVE TWO SHANNON'S ON THE, ON THE CALL HERE. 
          SO, UH, MIKE, SHANNON AND SHANNON. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I'LL JUST SAY, UM, THE, THE ZONING ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE, UH, BOTH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND, AND O H P STAFF RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE APPLICANT'S ZONING REQUESTS TO REMOVE THE HISTORIC. 
          SO WE TAKE THAT ASIDE FOR A SECOND. 
          UH, CERTAINLY THE CODIFIED PROCESS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT FOR THE EMERGENCY THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, THAT PROCESS BY CODE REQUIRES US TO GREATLY CONSIDER THE HISTORIC, UH, DESIGNATION OF THIS STRUCTURE. 
          SO WE CANNOT DISMISS THAT FACT AS WE DEVELOP THIS SOLUTION. 
          UM, SO, AND, AND WE'RE DOING SO RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I THINK THE ASSURANCE THAT ALL OF US HAVE IS THAT BY CODE AND BY PROCESS ALONG WITH OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU, JUST ON THE ZONING PIECE IS, IS WHAT IT IS. 
          IT'S THERE, IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF THAT, SO SHANNON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT. 
          UM, UM, NO, NOT REALLY. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I THINK THE, THE FACT THAT IT IS DESIGNATED HISTORIC AND THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT IS WHY WE THINK IT IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE EMERGENCY HEARING AT THE H D R C TOMORROW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND SO THE, THE CITY, REGARDLESS OF, OF THE, OF THE OUTCOME, SO THE CITY, LET'S SAY THE CITY SAYS, WE'RE, WE, WE THINK WE SHOULD DEMOLISH THE BUILDING THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE CITY'S DIME, AND THEN THE CITY WILL RECOVER THAT MONEY THROUGH VIA A LIEN OR SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, CHARGE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          AND I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS SO, SO THAT, THAT'S ON THE ONE HAND. 
          ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THEY, IF THE DECISION IS TO STABILIZE THE BUILDING, THE CITY CAN ALSO RECOVER THAT MONEY FROM IN THE SAME PROCESS. 
          IT WOULD RECOVER IF THERE WAS A DEMOLITION. 
          SO EITHER WAY, WHATEVER THE, THE DETERMINATIONS FOR THE CITY, THERE'S GONNA BE CITY MONEY THAT'S GONNA BE EXPENDED ON THIS PROPERTY, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND RECUPERATE THAT IN WHATEVER WAY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          UM, I'M GONNA SAY NOT NECESSARILY. 
          SO LET ME, LET ME, UH, LET ME EXPLAIN. 
          IF AND WHEN WE GET TO THE, WELL, WHEN WE GET TO THE FINAL DECISION AS TO HOW, AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, UH, TO, TO ABATE THE HAZARD THROUGH STABILIZATION AND OR, UH, A PORTION OR COMPLETE DEMOLITION. 
          SO IT, ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THE ORDER THEN GOES TO THE OWNER. 
          SO WHENEVER THERE IS A CODE VIOLATION OR A SAFETY ISSUE, THE CITY ORDERS THE OWNER TO FIX IT. 
          IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE. 
          IF THEY DON'T DO IT, THEN THE CITY WILL DO IT AND RECOUP THE COST. 
          SO THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OWNER TO, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, UH, BY CODE. 
          IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, THEN WE'LL DO IT AND BUILD. 
          SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND THAT'S THE STANDARD FOR ALL OF OUR TYPICAL CODE, UM, CODE OR CODE ENFORCEMENT TYPE PROCESSES LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          UM, AND THEN COULD YOU BE, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT IS H D R C DETERMINING TOMORROW? WHAT IS THE DECISION THAT'S GONNA BE MADE AT THE EMERGENCY HEARING? SO, SO H D R C WOULD BE DISCUSSING AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON, ON WHATEVER PLAN AS PART OF THE PROCESS OF THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ORDER. 
          SO WHETHER THAT'S EMERGENCY STABILIZATION, WHETHER THAT'S PARTIAL DEMOLITION, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT IS, THEY WOULD BE DISCUSSING AND RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT FRONT. 
          AND IS THERE RECOMMENDATION BINDING ON THE CITY, OR IS THAT JUST ONE FACTOR THAT YOU GUYS CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN, IN MAKING THE FINAL PLAN? UM, THE HT R C IS A, IS A RECOMMENDING BODY. 
          SO THEY, THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY MANAGER AND, AND HIS DESIGNEE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IN MOST CASES IS ME AS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. 
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OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS IS A, A ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, FOR THE, THE SHANNON'S OR FOR, UM, FOR THE OTHER D S D STAFF, BUT IF, IF THIS PROPERTY IS, THE BUILDING IS DEMOLISHED AND THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION WERE TO STAY ON, WOULD, SO A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ANY HISTORICAL GUIDELINES FOR THIS? LIKE, I KNOW, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE WE HAVE CERTAIN GUIDELINES ABOUT HOW YOU CAN, HOW, HOW YOU CAN DEVELOP AND HOW YOU CAN BUILD AND THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE TO DESIGN YOUR PROPERTY. 
          SO I ASSUME THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS SIMILAR GUIDELINES AND IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THOSE GUIDELINES, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IT WOULD, IF, IF IT, AS LONG AS THE OVERLAY REMAINS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING, WHATEVER COMES ON THE FUTURE COMES IN THE FUTURE ON THE SITE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO H D R C REVIEW. 
          BUT IF WE REMOVE IT, THEN IT'S NO LONGER SUBJECT TO THAT REVIEW CORRECT BASELINE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, WE'LL GO TO YOU. 
          THIS IS THE START OF THE SECOND ROUND. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, JUST ONE LAST QUESTION FOR SHANNON MILLER. 
          UM, WITH REGARD TO CATTLEMAN SQUARE, I KNOW THROUGHOUT THE YEARS WE'VE LOST A COUPLE OF THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          UM, HOW ARE WE, I GUESS, SITTING TODAY WITH THE NUMBER OF EXISTING BUILDINGS AND, AND IS THIS ONE KIND OF CRITICAL TO MAINTAINING THAT HISTORIC AREA? OR, OR IS THIS ONE THAT, I MEAN, AND I KNOW YOU STILL HAVE TO FIND OUT THE CONDITION, BUT IS THIS ONE THAT I, I GUESS WE WOULD ALSO JUST REALLY SEE AN IMPACT IF WE LOST IT? YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD YOUR, YOUR SPECIFIC ANSWER IN TERMS OF LIKE, NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN LOST. 
          UM, UH, COREY IS ALSO ON, AND HE MAY KNOW, I'M NOT SURE. 
          BUT, UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IN GENERAL, YES, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL LOSS AND, AND A POTENTIAL DE DESIGNATION BECAUSE, UH, UM, AS I THINK YOU ALL KNOW FROM THE, FROM THE ZONING MAP THAT THIS IS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE KAMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND SO OBVIOUSLY REMOVING KIND OF A HOLE FROM THE MIDDLE OF A LONGSTANDING HISTORIC DISTRICT IS OF COURSE CONCERNING TO THE, UM, THE FABRIC OF THE OVERALL DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MR. CHRISTENSEN. 
          MR. CHRISTENSEN? I'M HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE CONCERN THAT'S BEEN RAISED BY, UM, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IS THE PRESENCE OF DEMOLITION EQUIPMENT ON THE SITE. 
          ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT? YES. 
          WELL, WE WERE NOTIFIED BEFORE WE RECEIVED THE ACTUAL SIGNED ORDER. 
          WE WERE NOTIFIED THURSDAY EVENING THAT THERE WAS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE AND WE WERE UNDER THE GUN JUST TO DEMOLISH IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN THE LIMS, WHO ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPERS CALLED A CONTRACTOR TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, ARRIVE AT THE SITE AND HAVE EQUIPMENT READY TO GO. 
          AND THEN WE FOUND OUT FRIDAY THAT IT WAS, WE WERE GONNA HAVE A 72 HOUR HOLD. 
          SO THE EQUIPMENT HAS JUST BEEN PARKED THERE, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA WARRANT TO THIS, UM, BODY THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WILL NOT BE USED PENDING THE H D R C, OF COURSE, PROPER PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          OF COURSE, THE LIS WANT TO COMPLY WITH THE RULE. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          AND MR. CHRISTENSEN, ONE THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS WHAT THE H D R C IS GOING TO DO TOMORROW. 
          COULD YOU SHARE WITH THIS BODY WHAT YOU INTEND TO ASK OF THE H D R C? WELL, WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING ALL ALONG IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE ONLY, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO AN ARGUMENTATIVE DEBATE HERE, BUT OUR, OUR, THE LIMBS HAVE ALWAYS VOLUNTEERED TO MAINTAIN THE FACADE, WHICH IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING THAT'S EVEN HISTORIC, HISTORICALLY ORIGINAL, UM, AND BE ALLOWED TO DEMOLISH THE REAR PORTION, WHICH, UM, IS PROBABLY THE MOST DANGEROUS PORTION OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR TOMORROW. 
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THANK YOU, MR. CHRISTENSEN. 
          ANY LAST QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, TO, TO SHANNON, UM, ARE THERE OTHER, IN THIS CATTLEMEN SQUARE HISTORIC AREA, ARE, WHAT OTHER BUILDINGS ARE DESIGNATED HISTORIC AND ARE THEY, WHAT'S THE STATUS OR THE, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF USE OF THOSE BUILDINGS? YEAH, I MEAN, I MAYBE I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF D S T STAFF IS ABLE TO PULL UP THE MAP OF THE WHOLE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          AND, ALRIGHT. 
          HOW ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED? WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T, JUST WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE, LIKE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT SAY HSS. 
          UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, I SEE A FEW ALL SURROUNDING THIS. 
          THAT MEANS THOSE ARE ALSO INDIVIDUAL. 
          THOSE WERE ALSO INDIVIDUALLY LANDMARKED, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO, THE WHOLE AREA IS INSIDE THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH MEANS ANY, PRETTY MUCH ANY HISTORIC AGE BUILDING IN THAT VICINITY IS CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          I, I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF RESOURCES IN THE DISTRICT. 
          IF, IF COREY, IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT NUMBER, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN. 
          IT'S ABOUT A DOZEN. 
          HE IS UP FOR SALE, DO YOU KNOW? NO, I DON'T. 
          HOW MANY ARE BOARDED? DO YOU KNOW? I, I I DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO IT'S DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, I, AND ISN'T THE ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS BUILDING? ISN'T, ISN'T THAT A BOARDED UP ONE THERE? YES, THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT, THAT ARE BOARDED. 
          LIKE, I, I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF WHICH ONES ARE, I KNOW WHICH ONES ARE JUST, I, I I DON'T, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WELL, WHAT MAKES THIS ONE ANY DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE BOARDED UP? WILL THOSE BE DEMOLISHED OR, I GUESS THEY'RE NOT FALLING DOWN. 
          I, I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IN, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT. 
          I, THIS, YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION. 
          NONE OF THE OTHERS ARE SUBJECT TO A CURRENT CONCERN AS FAR AS I'M AWARE. 
          IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY DEMOS, IS THERE SIGNS, ARE THERE, ARE THERE SIGNS ON THESE BUILDINGS THAT DESIGNATED HISTORIC? IS THERE A SIGN IN THAT AREA THAT DESIGNATE YOU'VE NOW ENTERED THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT SQUARE? OKAY. 
          IF I WERE TO TAKE A, IF I WERE TO BUY A TOUR, WOULD A TOUR GUY TAKE ME OVER TO THIS AREA, THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT? I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD OR NOT. 
          WHAT WOULD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LINE OF QUESTIONING LIKE IT, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOUR TOUR GUIDE WAS, BUT IT IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT'S BEEN DESIGNATED SINCE THE 1980S. 
          WELL, I GUESS I THINK WHETHER A TOUR GUIDE TAKES YOU THERE CHANGES THAT. 
          WELL, I GUESS I ALWAYS ASK THE QUESTION, WELL, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE DESIGNATE THINGS HISTORIC? I, I CAN, YOU KNOW, GET ON GOOGLE AND I SEE A LOT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF BENEFIT. 
          THEY'RE NOW IN MUSEUM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE TO, TO TOUR. 
          BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT HERE. 
          UM, I THINK THE BENEFIT IS NOT ABOUT JUST TOUR TOURISM. 
          THE BENEFIT IS ABOUT THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CULTURAL HERITAGE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL SPEAKERS SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I THINK SUSAN ER SPOKE ABOUT ESPERANZA AND THE CONDITION THAT THEY'RE BUILDING WAS IN, UM, PREVIOUSLY AND, AND THE, AND WHAT, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH THAT BUILDING. 
          UM, THE LARAMA BUILDING. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE LIKE THE TRAIN STATION, THE AVANSE HEADQUARTERS. 
          THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE WELL KNOWN IN THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER LESSER KNOWN HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 
          BUT I THINK THE POINT OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS NOT THAT JUST THAT WE CARE ABOUT THE PERFECT BUILDINGS THAT YOU GO TO ON A TOUR. 
          IT'S THAT THEY'RE THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE AWARE OUR, HOW OUR COMMUNITY HAS DEVELOPED. 
          AND SO, UM, THE FACT THAT CITY COUNCIL MADE A DECISION MANY YEARS AGO AND SAW THE IMPORTANCE IN PROTECTING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO BE, UM, RESPECTFUL OF AND CONTINUE TO PROMOTE. 
          I, I WOULD AGREE. 
          AND I, I DO HEAR THE FABRIC OF THE STORY BEHIND THIS BUILDING, AND THAT WOULD MAKE THE CASE FOR IT NOT TO BE DEMOLISHED. 
          SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED WHAT THE CITY'S INTENTIONS ARE, 
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UH, IF YOU, IF YOU TELL ME THAT THE FABRIC MATTERS. 
          SO, UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ONE, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE PRESENT, DIRECTOR MILLER, DIRECTOR SHANNON, UM, UH, ALL THE CALLERS FOR DOING THIS. 
          UM, THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, I THINK, FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO TALK ABOUT, TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS FULLY, TO GET AS MUCH TRANSPARENCY AS POSSIBLE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS RARE, UH, PROCESS, HOPEFULLY RARE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE AREA, HE, UH, WAS SOMEPLACE MY DAD WENT, UH, IN THE FORTIES WHEN HE WOULD BRING PRODUCE UP AT THE OLD MARKET SQUARE AND SELL IT HERE. 
          UH, THE LIM FAMILY HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT MY FATHER IN THE FORTIES WOULD GO TO THE LIMBS RESTROOM. 
          UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WE ARE ASKED TO BALANCE A GREAT NUMBER OF INTERESTS, MAINTAINING THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY, ALLOWING RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, UM, I WANNA SEE HOW THE REMAINDER OF THE PROCESS GOES FORWARD. 
          AND SO, DESPITE ALL OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD TODAY, WHICH WE HAD, AGAIN, FOR THE PURPOSES OF TRANSPARENCY, FOR PROVIDING OUR COMMUNITY INFORMATION REGARDING HOW THIS PROCESS IS GOING TO GO FORWARD, UH, BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK WE'RE READY TODAY TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER TO MAINTAIN OR, UH, STRIP THIS STRUCTURE OF ITS HISTORIC DESIGNATION, I AM GOING TO MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE TILL THE JULY 6TH MEETING OF THE ZONING COMMISSION. 
          SO I HEREBY MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE JULY 6TH MEETING OF THE ZONING COMMISSION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND JONES. 
          OKAY. 
          I HEARD COMMISSIONER ROME MEDAL FIRST, BUT THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER JONES. 
          UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE CONTINUANCE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE, THE, THE PUBLIC COM COMMENTERS WHO SHOWED UP TODAY AND, UM, SUPPORT AND ACKNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS A, THERE IS A SOLUTION TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT IN THAT THIS STRUCTURE COULD BE STABILIZED, UM, AND WE COULD CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          UM, I, I SUPPORT THIS GOING THROUGH A FULL PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          UM, BUT I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONTINUANCE, UM, WITHOUT SOME KIND OF ASSURANCES THAT THERE WON'T BE AN EFFORT TO SUBVERT THE PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          AND, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAS TAKEN, UM, THE, THE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT PROCESS IS MAYBE TAKING THIS OUT OF THE HANDS OF, OF THE ZONING COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY OF CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND, AND, AND KIND OF REMOVING IT FROM THE PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          SO, UM, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND I DO RESPECT THAT THIS IS A, A SEEMINGLY RARE SITUATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE LAST ZONING COMMISSION HEARING, WE HAD A, A CASE IN MY DISTRICT THAT WAS A SIMILAR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER, UM, COMMITTED WASTE AND NEGLECTED BUILDINGS ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS VERY, VERY RELUCTANT TO VOTE FOR THE DENIAL OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION IN THAT CASE, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PROPERTY OWNERS SHOULD BE REWARDED FOR CREATING PUBLIC NUISANCES AND THEN BEING ALLOWED TO TEAR DOWN SAYING, WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TOO FAR GONE. 
          I I DIDN'T MAINTAIN IT FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, BUT NOW IT'S TOO FAR GONE AND I CAN'T AFFORD TO MAINTAIN IT. 
          AND NOW IT'S FALLING DOWN AND IT'S CREATING A, A, A SAFETY, A SAFETY HAZARD. 
          YOU, YOU'VE CREATED THAT SAFETY HAZARD BY, BY NOT MAINTAINING YOUR BUILDING PROPERLY. 
          AND THIS IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND, AND THEREFORE THE OWNER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON NOTICE THAT, THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT, THAT IT'S A WINDFALL TO PROPERTY OWNERS BY IT, IT INCENTIVIZES THE WRONG TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. 
          AND I'M JUST VERY, VERY RELUCTANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS THAT BEHAVIOR TO BE TOLERATED IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY AMAZING COMMUNITY RESOURCES. 
          IF, IF WE WANTED TO SAY, WELL, THE, THE BUILDING IS UNSTABLE, WHAT ABOUT THE ALAMO? THE ALAMO WAS UNSTABLE FOR MANY YEARS. 
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SO SHOULD WE HAVE JUST TORN DOWN THE ALAMO OR, OR ANY OTHER BUILDING? I THINK THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INCENTIVIZE THE CORRECT BEHAVIOR. 
          SO IF I DO SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE, I DO EXPECT THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT WILL BE REMEDIED, AND THAT, THAT THIS WILL BE ALLOWED TO GO THROUGH A FULL PUBLIC PROCESS WHERE WE CAN PROPERLY DEBATE WHETHER OR NOT THIS BUILDING IS STILL CULTURALLY AND HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE MANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA THAT ARE OCCURRING RIGHT NOW. 
          I HAVE A CLIENT WHO IS DEVELOPING RIGHT OFF OF HOUSTON STREET, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS, THE ERCO, UM, HOMESTEAD IN STORE. 
          THEY'RE DEVELOPING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT WHILE MAINTAINING AND PRESERVING THE HISTORIC BUILDING THERE. 
          SO IF SOMEONE CAN DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THERE IS NO REASON WHY SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO DO A MARKET RATE COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL OR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE CANNOT MAINTAIN, PRESERVE AND SUPPORT OUR HISTORIC CULTURAL FABRIC. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX, UH, COMMISSIONERS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          I JUST WANNA THANK, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE BECAUSE, UH, SHE SAID A LOT OF THE WORDS THAT, UM, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE SAID IN, IN, UH, AS GREAT OF A FASHION. 
          UM, I, I ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN BECAUSE WE, WE TALK ABOUT HOW THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IMMINENTLY IN DANGER. 
          IT COULD BE, AND, AND, BUT WE'RE ASKING TO JUST HOLD OFF, UM, FOR A MONTH. 
          UM, AND IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THIS IS KIND OF SEPARATE TO THE ISSUE OF DEMOLITION. 
          UM, IT'S LIKE, IS, DO WE AGREE THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC BUILDING? UM, I LOOK AT HOW IT WAS NOT ONLY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT SEPARATELY DESIGNATED, WHICH MEANS THAT IT WAS, UM, PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE CATTLEMEN WHERE HISTORIC DISTRICT CAME INTO BEING WAS BECAUSE OF THIS VERY STRUCTURE. 
          AND IT'S BEEN SINCE THE EIGHTIES, WHICH WAS, I THINK BEFORE MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DESIGNATED HISTORIC. 
          UM, SO IT WAS ONE OF THE EARLIER, UH, DISTRICTS. 
          UM, AND SO, AND SO I, I, I DO HAVE A FEAR THAT, UM, THE BUILDING WILL KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PROCESS IN A WAY WHERE IT'S DEMOLISHED OR, OR RECOMMENDED TO BE DEMOLISHED, AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, NOW THAT THERE'S NOT A BUILDING THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, THERE'S NO NEED FOR HISTORIC. 
          UH, AND THAT KIND OF TROUBLES ME AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE RATIONALE BEHIND ASKING FOR THE CONTINUANCE, UM, JUST NOT FOR WHICH WAY THAT, THAT, THAT I WILL VOTE ON THAT CONTINUANCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES SIPES COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I'M NOT SO SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT CONTINUANCE EITHER, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, I OWN A BUILDING, AN OFFICE BUILDING. 
          THEY EXIST IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S PEOPLE AROUND TO MAKE IT EXIST, THAT THEY START TO CRUMBLE WHEN PEOPLE GO AWAY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO CATTLEMAN MARKET AREA, BUT PEOPLE WENT AWAY. 
          AND THERE ARE A LOT OF BOARDED UP BUILDINGS BECAUSE THERE'S NO DEMAND FOR WHATEVER THOSE SERVICES WERE. 
          I DO NOT FAULT THE OWNERS, UH, IF IT WENT INTO DISREPAIR, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE UNDER HISTORIC. 
          SO I REALLY, UH, I REALLY FIND IT DISDAINFUL FOR THE COMMISSIONER TO MAKE, UM, DEROGATORY COMMENTS TOWARDS ANY OWNER OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY IN OUR HISTORIC TOWN. 
          SO, BUT I AM ON THE FENCE ON THIS, UH, CONTINUANCE. 
          COULD, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, MR. UH, COMMISSIONER ANII, WHY YOU WANTED TO GO? A CONTINUANCE IS TOO LATE TO ASK THAT QUESTION TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          NO, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS IT, UM, IN MY COMMENTS WHEN WE'RE CLOSE TO THE, ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          UM, SO I, I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          I JUST HAVE 
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A QUESTION. 
          SO IS THERE THE POSSIBILITY OF IT BE THE PROCESS, BE IN SUBVERTED DURING THIS, UH, CONTINUANCE TIME PERIOD? UM, OKAY, I THINK I CAN ADDRESS THOSE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO RESERVE BOTH AS THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER, UH, AS WELL AS THE CHAIR, UH, TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES HERE. 
          UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER O THEN COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS. 
          THE OTHERS TRAVELED THE WAY I AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE SAID THAT I REALLY JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION AT HAND RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M TAKING IT PRETTY SERIOUSLY THAT THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS ASKING US, UH, TO SUPPORT THIS DELAY. 
          SO, UM, HE CAN DO THE EMERGENCY REVIEW, IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND SOMETIMES THAT'S USED IN AS A, AS AN EXCUSE IN THESE CASES, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS HERE BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED. 
          UM, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THE DECISION THEN AFTER THE REVIEW HAS TAKEN PLACE WILL GO TO H D R C AND THE DIRECTOR'S DESIGNEE, WHO IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. 
          UM, SO I DON'T, I, I COULD SEE HOW IT COULD HAPPEN, BUT I REALLY DON'T SEE THIS AS HEADING TOWARDS SUBVERTING THE PROCESS. 
          I REALLY BELIEVE THE DIRECTOR NEEDS TO RESPOND TO A IMMEDIATE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. 
          AND I THINK THIS MAKES SENSE, AND THEN I THINK WE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO HOPEFULLY HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO IT. 
          BUT I, I REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS PRETTY UNPRECEDENTED, AND WE NEED TO GIVE HIM THE TIME THAT HE'S ASKING US FOR. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER OMAL. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          WELL, I'M A LITTLE ON THE FENCE WITH THIS ONE. 
          UM, I, I ECHO COMMISSIONER GREY HOUSE'S CONCERNS, AND, UH, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF NEEDS TO GO IN AND, AND FURTHER EVALUATE THE PROCESS, AND, AND I TRUST IN STAFF AND BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL MAKE THE RIGHT CALL ON THIS. 
          UM, BUT I ALSO AM STRUGGLING WITH HOW THIS COULD VERY MUCH TAKE US DOWN A DIFFERENT PATH THAT I DON'T WANT US TO GO. 
          MY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE APP, UH, THE, THE CURRENT OWNER HAD EVER FILED FOR ANY KIND OF PERMITS OR MADE ANY EFFORT TO TRY TO KEEP THIS BUILDING, UH, IN SOMEWHAT MANAGEABLE STATE, DOESN'T APPEAR TO HAVE, HAVE HAPPENED. 
          UM, AND SO WHEN QUESTIONS WHY THAT HAPPENED, IT COULD HAVE BEEN FINANCIAL, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A DELIBERATE CHOICE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT, UM, IN CONSIDERING THAT THOUGH, I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY OTHER BUILDINGS STILL REMAIN IN CATTLEMAN SQUARE, BECAUSE IF THIS ONE, IF THIS DOMINO FALLS, WE MAY MAY VERY WELL FIND OURSELVES IN A SIMILAR SITUATION THEN WITH OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING NEGLECTED. 
          AND I, I MEAN, I'M NOT THE COUNCIL PERSON, BUT I THINK I MIGHT EVEN ASK STAFF THEN MAYBE THEY NEED TO MAKE AN ASSESSMENT OF THAT AREA AND SEE IF ANY OTHER OWNERS ARE ALLOWING THIS PROPERTY TO FALL AND NEGLECT IF THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT HISTORICAL AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ALRIGHT. 
          WELL, AS I MENTIONED, I AM THE DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS AND THE CHAIR, SO I'M GONNA TAKE THE PRIVILEGE OF THE LAST WORK. 
          UM, THERE ARE TWO REASONS, UM, THAT WEIGH HEAVILY IN FAVOR OF THE CONTINUANCE REQUESTED HERE TO MY MIND. 
          ONE IS EVERYONE SEEMS TO WANT THAT TIME, THE CALLERS, OR AT LEAST THOSE CALLERS THAT WEREN'T IN FAVOR OF DE DESIGNATION, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, O H P. 
          UM, AND SO IN LIGHT OF THE UNANIMITY ALMOST OF THAT REQUEST OF, OF THAT REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE, THAT WEIGHS HEAVILY ON ME. 
          THE SECOND ISSUE IS THE PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS ZONING OVERLAY FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES GENERALLY. 
          UM, WE GENERALLY DEFER TO H D R C IN THIS CASE. 
          H D R C IS GOING TO HEAR IT AGAIN TOMORROW. 
          WE'VE HEARD THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REASSESS THIS IN LIGHT OF THIS DEMOLITION PROCESS GOING ON. 
          AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I WANT TO GIVE H D R C THAT OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS THROUGH THE LENS OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY, NOT WHERE WE WERE ON MAY 5TH. 
          AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I AM SUPPORTING AND HAVE MOVED FOR A CONTINUANCE TO JULY 6TH. 
          SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL. 
          I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES AS THE DISCUSSION, UH, INDICATED WITH HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS, HOW IT SHOULD WORK, AND, YOU 
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KNOW, WHAT KIND OF TRANSPARENCY AND PUBLIC ACCESS SHOULD WE HAVE IN THESE PROCESSES. 
          AND SO, I KNOW THIS TOOK A LOT OF TIME. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE, UH, FOR BEING HERE. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KATH? YES. 
          C DR. 
          ROMERO ROMERO? YES. 
          C COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          YES. 
          C COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          PROAM GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR PSYCH? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE TO JULY THE SIXTH. 
          10 TO ZERO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. 
          UM, I'M GONNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          I, AS WE'VE BEEN GOING ALMOST TWO HOURS AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN GO THROUGH THE REMAINING ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. 
          THE TIME IS CURRENTLY 2 51. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE LOG BACK IN APPROXIMATELY 2 56. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIR. 
          COULD I CHAIR, COULD I ASK A QUESTION? YES, OF COURSE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCD. 
          AND, AND I'M SORRY, MAYBE I HEARD WRONG. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE SCREEN SHOWS THE CONTINUOUS TO JULY 6TH, BUT I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAID TO JULY 15TH. 
          IF I DID, I MISSPOKE. 
          I I DID MEAN JULY 6TH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          IT'S NOW 2 52 COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'D RETURN AT 2 57. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK NOW WE'RE READY. 
          UM, THE TIME IS NOW 2 58 AND WE ARE BACK ON AIR. 
          AND SO WE WILL 
          [3. 21-3928 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700080 ERZD (Council District 8)
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RECONVENE THIS ZONING COMMISSION MEETING WITH INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          STAFF, IF YOU WOULD. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO NA E RZ D TO HUD R SIX R D R Z D. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 12 900 BLOCK OF BABCOCK ROAD. 
          THERE WERE 27 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND ONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA. 
          THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE HEIGHT OF CARRIAGE HILLS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. 
          THE EXISTING C TWO AND A BAY ZONING DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED R UH, PUT R SIX IS ALSO APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA, PROVIDES ADDITIONAL HOUSING. 
          THERE'S ALREADY PUT R SIX ESTABLISHED IN THE, THE AREA ALONG WITH SOME R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND SAWS IS ON THE LINE FOR THE SA REPORT. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          IF WE COULD HAVE THE SAS REPORT, PLEASE. 
          MIKE ESCALANTE, ARE YOU ON THE LINE, SIR? CHRISTIE? CHRISTIE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? MICHAEL BARR. 
          OH, HI, MICHAEL BARR. 
          YES, SIR, GO AHEAD. 
          YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE ADDRESSING, I THINK, I THINK MIKE MIGHT BE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY WITH HIS PHONE, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TRY TO FILL OUT FORM. 
          UH, MIKE, GO AHEAD IF YOU WANT, IF YOU'VE GOT THE PRESENTATION. 
          YES. 
          YES, I GOT IT. 
          YES. 
          UH, MIKE ESCALANTE WITH SAW DOCK FOR PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION. 
          UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST INTERSECTION OF BABCOCK ROAD AND BA BAMBERGER WAY TO ALLOW FOR A PLANNED UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE SITE IS AN UNDEVELOPED 3.84 ACRE LOT. 
          NO PORTION OF THE SITE IS WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN. 
          AND NO SENSITIVE FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE NOR NOTED ON FILE. 
          SAS IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT TO INCLUDE 65% OUS COVER FOR THE 3.84 ACRE SITE. 
          THE SUBJECT SITE IS ALLOWED OPEN SPACE CREDIT TO MITIGATE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER REQUIREMENTS THROUGH A PROVISION AND CITY ORDINANCE 8 7 1 2 4 BAMBERGER ROAD, BAMBERGER PARK IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT AGREEMENT 
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PASSED AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 18TH, 1997. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          MR. ESCALANTE. 
          IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? HI COMMISSIONER, THIS IS ASHLEY FAIRMONT. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          THANK YOU MR. FAIRMONT, IF YOU WOULD. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE AGAIN. 
          ASHLEY FAIRMONT WITH KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMONT, UM, HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE REZONING OF, OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BAMBERGER AND BABCOCK HAMBURG. 
          UM, IF HOPEFULLY MY PRESENTATION IS UP, UM, IF WE COULD GO TO SLIDE TWO PLEASE. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A, A LARGE AERIAL TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OF THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AS, AS CHRISTIE MENTIONED, IT'S 3.84 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF BAMBERGER WAY AND BABCOCK ACROSS THE STREET, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY ACROSS BABCOCK IS, UM, THE BAMBERGER NATURAL AREA OF BAMBERGER PARK. 
          UM, SLIDE THREE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS SLIDE HERE IS JUST A BIT MORE ZOOMED IN ARIEL. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE, THE 3.84 ACRES, THE VACANT PROPERTY THAT GOES ALONG. 
          UM, THE SITE TO THE WEST AND TO THE NORTH IS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, UH, THAT IS OWNED BY THE CARRIAGE HILLS, H O A, WHICH IS THOSE HOMES THAT YOU SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND, UM, THOSE HOMES IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER AND THE HOMES ACROSS THE STREET AND THE HEIGHTS OF CARRIAGE HILLS ARE ALL ZONED R SIX POD, UH, WHICH IS THE SAME ZONING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY. 
          UM, SLIDE FOUR, PLEASE. 
          UH, THIS IS JUST THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR THE AREA. 
          IT'S A SUBURBAN TIER DESIGNATION, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE R SIX, SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO AMEND ANY, ANY COMMUNITY PLANS FOR THIS REZONING REQUEST. 
          AND THEN SLIDE, UM, FIVE, HERE'S JUST A, A ZOOMED IN ZONING MAP, OR EXCUSE ME, A ZOOMED OUT ZONING MAP, UH, SHOWING THE SITE. 
          AND AGAIN, UH, THE PROPERTIES TO THE FAR WEST ARE ALL R FOUR. 
          AND THEN, THEN THE NEAREST PROPERTIES ARE THE R SIX POD, SIMILAR TO OUR REQUEST. 
          AND THEN SLIDE SIX, UM, HERE'S THE ZOOMED IN ZONING MAP. 
          ONE THING I DID WANNA NOTE ON HERE, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY HAS A C TWO BASED ZONING, SO THAT OBVIOUSLY ALLOWS FOR C TWO USES, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO AN OLD C TWO CONVERSION FROM, UM, A B TWO ZONING DISTRICT. 
          SO THIS PROPERTY NOT ONLY ALLOWS FOR CURRENTLY THE COMMERCIAL USES, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR MULTI-FAMILY USES UP TO 33 UNITS AN ACRE. 
          SO IT'S ABOUT UP TO ABOUT 126 UNITS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN SLIDE SEVEN, UH, SO HERE'S OUR PUD PLAN. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PLAN, THERE'S 19 LOTS. 
          UM, ALL OF THEM ARE 6,000 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER. 
          UM, THERE'S ONE ACCESS POINT TO THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE OFF OF BAMBERGER. 
          AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE REASON FOR THE PUD IS ALL THE STREETS WILL BE PRIVATE. 
          IT WOULD BE A GATED COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND AS PART OF THAT THERE WILL BE AN H O A, I KNOW THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD HEARD THAT THERE, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE AN H O A FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT IS REQUIRED, I BELIEVE BY CODE WITH THE PUD, UH, OVERLAY THAT WE HAVE AN H O A THAT MAINTAINS ANY SIDEWALK STREETS OR OTHER COMMON SPACES THAT ARE WITHIN THE POD. 
          UM, ON SLIDE EIGHT, UM, HERE'S JUST A COLORED SITE PLAN OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, AGAIN, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE OF THE SITE. 
          SO THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT DRAINAGE EASEMENT TO THE WEST, UH, THAT'S SERVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN THE PROPERTY REALLY SLOPES DOWNWARDS FROM THERE. 
          SO ALL OF THE RUNOFF FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL FLOW SOUTHEAST TOWARDS BABCOCK. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER OF OUR PLAN THERE IS A, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT WE WILL HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT WILL, UM, ALSO INCLUDE WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO AS PART OF BEING OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE, UM, THE PROJECT WILL BE REQUIRED TO RETAIN AND FILTER THE STORM WATER, UH, THAT COMES OFF OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THAT BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER. 
          UM, WITH THAT I WILL END MY PRESENTATION. 
          UH, WE ARE AGREEABLE TO ALL OF S'S CONDITIONS AND, UH, REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MS. MOND STAFF, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS CASE? YES, SIR. 
          WE'RE GONNA PLAY THREE VOICEMAILS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          PLEASE DO. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS DIANE OCIO. 
          I LIVE AT 1 2 5 2 2 CARRIAGE BOULEVARD IN THE OVERLOOK OF CARRIAGE HILLS. 
          MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 287-6122. 
          I AM CALLING ABOUT CASE NUMBER ENDING IN 0 8 0 E R Z D. 
          UM, MY STATEMENT IS, UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS, UM, REGARDING THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE LOT BELOW HOURS. 
          WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT LOW INCOME HOUSING. 
          LOW INCOME HOUSING WILL BRING DOWN OUR PROPERTY VALUES. 
          UM, SO IN THAT CASE, WE ALSO WOULD WOULD LIKE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE A REQUIRED PAID H O A WITH 
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DUE. 
          UM, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT WE HAD THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THE, UM, PROPERTY BELOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THE SAME ADHERENCE, UM, GUIDELINES THAT WE ARE, UH, AS FAR AS EDWARDS OFFICER RECHARGE ZONE RETIREMENT AS WELL. 
          ALSO, UM, IT SHOULD BE SINGLE, DEDICATED AND ACCREDITED VETTED HOUSE BUILDERS OR CONTRACTORS. 
          WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BY THE ATTORNEY THAT THERE WILL BE ANY NUMBER OF BUILDERS, AND WHILE THEY DO HAVE GUIDELINES, THERE WILL NO BE, THERE WILL NOT BE UNIFORMITY OF THE HOMES. 
          ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS AREA HAVE UNIFORMITY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE WOULD LIKE THE SAME. 
          ALSO, THEY MUST KEEP TO THE NET, THE NATURE OF THE AREA, KEEP THINGS NATURAL, KEEP AS MANY TREES AND FOLDED AS POSSIBLE AS WE HAVE HAD TO DO WHEN OUR HOMES WILL BE BUILT. 
          WE HAVE TOO MUCH WILDLIFE AROUND HERE. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UM, ENDANGERED SPECIES OF HAW, OF TOADS OF OTHER ANIMALS THAT ARE IN THIS AREA. 
          WE HAVE LOTS OF FAMILIES OF CARDINALS AND OTHER KINDS OF BIRDS THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY SEE THAT FLY THROUGH THIS AREA. 
          WE WERE TOLD WHEN WE MOVED IN AT THE WILDLIFE PARK ACROSS THE BAMBERGER PARK, ACROSS THE WAY, WAS A WILDLIFE SANCTUARY, AS WAS THE PROPERTY BELOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT WAS A BIRD AVIARY KIND OF THING, AND WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE. 
          SO, UM, ANOTHER CONCERN IS THE SHIFTING OF THE LAND BELOW OUR HOMES. 
          UM, WE ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST SAN TEXT NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND UP THE WAY, UH, MILES AWAY FROM US. 
          THEY STARTED BUILDING BELOW THE BLUFF AND THE HOUSES WERE SLIDING OFF THE BLUFF. 
          IT WAS A BIG CONCERN. 
          IT MADE ALL. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS JAMISON HODEL AND I AM CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER ZEBRA 2 0 2 1 DASH 0 7 0 8 0 ECHO ROMEO ZEBRA DELTA. 
          UM, I AM A RESIDENT IN THE HOUSE BEHIND THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT 1 2 5 1 8 CARRIAGE BOULEVARD. 
          UM, I HAVE A COUPLE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS CASE AND I WILL BE REFERENCING THE, UM, UH, SHEY SIDE BABA TEMPLE AS, UH, REFERENCE POINTS BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT IN THE SAME PLATEAU OF LAND, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. 
          THEIR ADDRESS IS 1 2 9 1 1 BABCOCK ROAD. 
          UM, SOME OF MY CONCERNS RELATE TO THEIR BUILD OUT. 
          UM, THEY HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES, UH, COMING FROM THE HILLSIDE STUFF WHEN IT RAINS, YOU KNOW, THEIR DRAINAGE WAS NOT DONE PROPERLY AND IT BASICALLY SPILLS ROCKS AND WATER AND GRAVEL AND SO ALL KINDS OF STUFF OUT ONTO BABCOCK ROAD, CREATING, UM, MORE OF A HAZARD, UM, ON THAT ROAD IN, IN RAINY WEATHER BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH ROCKS, NOT JUST PEBBLES, BUT ROCKS COMING OUT OF THEIR DRAINAGE TUNNELS. 
          UH, THEIR RETAINING WALLS ALSO DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY WERE BUILT PROPERLY. 
          UM, SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BEING BUILT LITERALLY JUST A FEW HUNDRED YARDS DOWN THE ROAD, IS GONNA HAVE SIMILAR, IF NOT THE SAME ISSUES, UM, WITH DRAINAGE AND THE FACT THAT IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL. 
          IT COULD BE EVEN MORE PREVALENT THAT THE RETAINING WALLS ARE BUILT PROPERLY. 
          UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, THERE'S ALSO THE SAFETY OF THE INTERSECTION AT BAMBERGER WAY AND BABCOCK ROAD. 
          UH, THERE'S ALREADY SEVERAL CARS THAT LIKE TO RACE FROM THE STOP SIGN, RUN THE STOP SIGNS, NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT THERE. 
          IF WE ADD ANOTHER STREET COMING ONTO BABCOCK ROAD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE THAT INTERSECTION EVEN MORE DANGEROUS THAN IT ALREADY IS. 
          UM, AND WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER, IT LOOKS LIKE 19 HOMES TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WOULD, UH, PROBABLY MAKE THAT INTERSECTION EVEN MORE DANGEROUS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF IT, MY NAME IS SONYA SIGNS. 
          MY HUSBAND IS JORGE CONDE. 
          OUR ADDRESS IS 1 2 5 0 6 CARRIAGE BOULEVARD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 9. 
          THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE PROPOSED REZONING OF THE 3.84 ACRE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF NORTHWEST BABCOCK AND BAMBERGER WAY. 
          UM, WE'D LIKE TO, UM, SUBMIT A STATEMENT FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION TO PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE WOULD, UM, WE HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT THIS BECOMES A PROPERTY THAT IS H O A FACILITATED AND THAT, UM, THAT IT'S ALSO NOT LOW INCOME HOUSING FEES AND NO SECTION EIGHT, AND ALSO, UM, THAT IT HAS ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY. 
          SO AS WE DO NOT LOSE, UM, PROPERTY VALUE FOR, FOR OUR HOME SINCE WE BACK UP TO, TO THEIR LAND AGAIN, MY NAME IS SONYA SIGNS 2 1 0 2 6 2 5 9 3 9. 
          THANK YOU. 
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THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, MS. FAIRMONT, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          ONE, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC. 
          SO THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WILL ONLY BE FROM BAMBERGER. 
          THERE WILL BE NOT, NOT BE AN ACCESS POINT, UM, OFF OF BABCOCK. 
          AND, AND 19 LOTS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IMPACT IS, IS PRETTY MINIMAL, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO WHAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THAT PROPERTY AS ZONED TODAY. 
          WITH REGARDS TO A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT OR A COMMERCIAL PROJECT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE AN H O A, UH, AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE AN H O A, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT WITH THE PUD, THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OR PROTECTION I GUESS THAT COMES WITH THAT OVERLAY. 
          UM, SO THAT WILL BE HAPPENING AS WELL. 
          UM, ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OWNED, UM, IN AN ENTITY THAT HAS SEVEN OWNERS. 
          AND THOSE OWNERS, UM, WILL BE LIVING WITHIN THIS PUD. 
          SO THEY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY WITH THE INTENT OF BUILDING THEIR OWN HOMES THERE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THIS REZONING, GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO, TO ACTUALLY LIVE HERE. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT PROVIDES, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF CREDIBILITY IN TERMS OF, IT'S NOT SOMEONE WHO'S BUYING IT JUST TO SELL OFF ALL THE LOTS. 
          THEY WILL ALSO BE LIVING THERE. 
          SO THE IMPORTANCE OF AESTHETICS THAT IS PROPERLY DEVELOPED, UM, THAT DRAINAGE FUNCTIONS WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THESE OWNERS AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN WITH REGARDS TO AFFORDABILITY, THAT IS NOT THE INTENT HERE, BUT I, I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY. 
          I THINK TODAY THE CONSIDERATION IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS USE IS APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, AND, AND WE FEEL LIKE SINGLE FAMILY WITH THE SAME ZONING AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE REAR, UM, WHERE THE CALLER'S CALLED FROM AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FEEL THAT THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS LOCATION. 
          UM, WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MS. FAIRMONT. 
          UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE, UH, SO COMMISSIONER ROMERO TO YOU THANK YOU. 
          UM, IS MIKE EITHER MIKE ON THE LINE, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR THEM. 
          HI, DR. 
          ROMERO. 
          IF MIKE ESCALANTE IS NOT AVAILABLE, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, UH, WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, IS IT THE SAME IMPERVIOUS COVER OF 65%? YES, GO AHEAD, MIKE, IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WITH THE EXISTING, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING, THEY, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED 65. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, ASIDE FROM THIS, BUT BAMBERGER WAY, I DON'T THINK IT CONTINUES THROUGH TO MAPLE PARK. 
          UM, ARE THERE PLANS TO EVER EXTEND IT? IS THAT ON THE, UM, MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR, OR WILL IT BE EXTENDED WHEN IT'S BUILT OUT? UH, WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO LOOK IT UP FOR YOU AND, AND SEND YOU AN EMAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          I, I'LL HAVE SOME COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER O. 
          UM, OTHER DIS OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          COMM COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR HAWS BECAUSE I WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR. 
          UM, IT WAS MENTIONED 65% IMPERVIOUS COVER, BUT THERE'S AN ALLOWANCE FOR OPEN SPACE AS A SUBSTITUTE. 
          I, I, I, I'M NOT REAL SURE WHAT I HEARD. 
          COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT? YEAH, SURE. 
          I, I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME NOW. 
          UH, UH, WHAT IT, IT GOES BACK TO A, A, UH, A CITY ORDINANCE AND A, AN AGREEMENT THAT WAS, UH, PASSED BY COUNCIL IN, UH, DECEMBER 18TH, 1997. 
          BUT WHAT THE AGREEMENT OR THE, UH, PROVISION THAT ALLOWS, UH, OPEN SPACE CREDITS TO ALLOW THIS SITE TO GO ABOVE THE 30% FOR, FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS, UH, LAND WAS DONATED TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR A 70.91 ACRE, UH, NATURE PARK, KNOWN AS THE BAMBERGER NATURE PARK. 
          AND AS OPEN AND AS OPEN SPACE CREDITS TO MEET THE IMPERIOUS COVER REQUIREMENTS OR DEVELOPMENTS, UH, IN THE BAMBERGER PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE LOCATED WEST OF BABCOCK ROAD AND, UH, CONSIST OF, UH, UH, THE CARRIAGE HILL SUBDIVISION, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, THIS 3.84 ACRE, UH, ZONING SITE. 
          [02:10:04]
OKAY. 
          AND THAT, AND, AND SO THAT'S TO ALLOW, UH, GREATER THAN 30%. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I GET IT NOW. 
          THANKS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S ALL MY, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? UH, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER OAL, BACK TO YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, I REALLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. 
          UH, I JUST WANNA MENTION WHAT COMMISSIONER SYKES WAS, WAS MENTIONING, AND WHICH I, I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, UM, BUT NOT ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT HOW THIS WAS WORKED OUT. 
          BUT WHAT I, WHAT I KNOW IS THAT OFTENTIMES WHEN THESE KINDS OF DEALS ARE WORKED OUT, THE DEVELOPER PUTS MONEY INTO A POT FOR SOME UNKNOWN TO BE NAMED PARK. 
          NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT'S EVER GONNA BE. 
          THIS ONE, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THIS REALLY WONDERFUL PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO THIS WORKED OUT REALLY WELL, UH, WITH THIS ORDINANCE. 
          UM, SO I'M REAL SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. 
          UM, I WAS ALSO A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT DRAINAGE, BUT I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NOW WITH THE EXPLANATION. 
          I WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT ENTRANCE AND EXIT ON BADCOCK, AND THERE WILL NOT BE ONE. 
          SO, UH, I THINK AGAIN, AND AS MS. PERMAN SAID, 19 HOMES IS AMAZING FOR DEVELOPMENT IN DISTRICT EIGHT OF THIS SIZE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AS MULTIFAMILY BY RIGHT, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN OVER MAYBE OVER A HUNDRED UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY. 
          UM, SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY OPTIMAL. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND I, I JUST, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LOW INCOME OR UNIFORMITY OF HOMES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DO WANNA SAY ABOUT AS FAR AS THE WILDLIFE, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WILDLIFE WAS GREATLY DISRUPTED WHEN  SUBDIVISIONS CAME IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE THIS WAS ALL UNDEVELOPED UNTIL THEN. 
          UH, SO I, UH, WILL MOTION FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE WITH ALL SOS RECOMMENDATIONS SECOND MCGEE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH ALL SOS RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCKEE COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          DR. 
          JONES. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMIN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          WHITE COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          PRO TEM GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SIPE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          UH, MOTION PASSES. 
          10 TO ZERO. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          IF WE CAN MOVE 
          [5. 21-3877 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700029 (Council District 5)]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO C THREE WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME AT 9 42 ANA ROAD. 
          THERE WERE 10 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. 
          TWO RE TWO RE, EXCUSE ME. 
          NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. 
          TWO. 
          RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. 
          THE QUINTANA COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION DID NOT RESPOND. 
          STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE SONY CHANGE REQUEST, THE PROPOSED C THREE IS LESS INTENSE THAN THE EXISTING I ONE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH AND THE I TWO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO THE WEST STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. 
          UH, I AM GONNA BUILD A SMALL BUILDING, UH, TO PROVIDE STAFFING SERVICES. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS 20 YEARS. 
          WE JUST NEED AN OFFICE SO WE CAN HELP PEOPLE OUT WITH JOBS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. 
          [02:15:03]
STEPH, PUBLIC COMMENT, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. 
          WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          UM, BUT I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL THAT NEEDS TO BE PLAYED AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES IF NECESSARY. 
          OKAY? THAT'S CORRECT SIR. 
          WE'LL PLAY IT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          HELLO, THIS IS RUSSELL STROUD CONCERNING THE PROPERTY OF 10 0 3 QUIN ROAD,  CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 2 1 DASH 1 0 7 0 0 0 2 9. 
          UH, WHEN THE PROTESTS, IT, UH, CHANGES TO THE CODE THERE. 
          WE HAVE A FAMILY OF THREE GIRLS THERE LIVING THERE AND MY DAUGHTER-IN-LAWS AS WELL. 
          AND, UH, THESE GIRLS ARE IN SCHOOL. 
          THEY'RE YOUNG. 
          3, 2 12 AND THEY WOULD HAVE DIFFICULTY SLEEPING AT NIGHT, WHICH COULD AFFECT, WOULD AFFECT HER FEELINGS THE NEXT MORNING WHEN THEY GET UP. 
          AND THEN THE SCHOOL. 
          I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, MR. CHAIR. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          AND THE APPLICANT. 
          I'M SORRY SIR, I MISSED YOUR NAME. 
          UH, MY NAME IS RENEE GUI. 
          MR. AYO, THANK YOU. 
          UM, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL, SIR. 
          YES. 
          UH, WE ARE ONLY OPEN FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY TO EIGHT TO FIVE. 
          WE'RE NOT OPEN AT NIGHT AND WE'RE NOT OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS AND WE'RE JUST GONNA USE IT FOR GENERAL OFFICE USE FOR, YOU KNOW, INTERVIEWING, UH, SUPPLYING PEOPLE, UM, WITH EMPLOYEES AT, UH, FOR THE PORT OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND THAT'S BASICALLY IT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. AAO. 
          UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO IT IS TO ME, SO MR. AAO, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS BASIC OFFICE USE FOR A A STAFFING COMPANY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS. 
          I HAVE COMMISSIONERS, AND WE DON'T DO ANY, UH, WE DON'T DO ANY DAY LABORERS OR WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE GUYS, LIKE, I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S STAFFING COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT ARE LIKE DAY LABORERS WHERE THEY PAY 'EM DAILY. 
          UH, WE, WE DON'T DO THAT. 
          WE, WE PAY OUR EMPLOYEES WEEKLY AND WE DON'T PAY BY THE DAY, SO NOBODY'S GONNA BE ALLOWED TO HANG OUT ON THE PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S JUST WE, THE ONLY PERSON THAT'S GONNA BE WORKING IN THERE IS GONNA BE ONE RECRUITER AND A RECEPTIONIST. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE. 
          AND THANK YOU, MR. GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU MR. GYO. 
          ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS APPLICANT? SEEING, OH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU. 
          JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UH, THE BUILDING AND, UM, COULD YOU JUST TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW BIG YOU ENVISION THIS BUILDING IS? SINGLE STORY, TWO STORY. 
          UH, IT'S A SINGLE STORY. 
          IT'S ONLY A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE TWO EMPLOYEES WORKING OUT OF THERE, A RECRUITER AND A RECEPTIONIST. 
          AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME NOW HIRING SIGNS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR WORK IN THE AREA. 
          WE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP 'EM OUT. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS 20 YEARS, OVER 20 YEARS, 20, 22 YEARS. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE SAME STREET AS WHERE THIS PROPERTY'S AT. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, WITH, WITH THE DESCRIPTION FROM THE APPLICANT ON THE TYPE OF BUSINESS AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE PROPERTY, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY WE'RE AT A C THREE, WHY WE DIDN'T OFFER, UH, EVEN MORE OR LESS INTENSE, UM, DEVELOPMENT LESS THE LAND USE HERE IS A REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND SO THE, IN ORDER TO NOT GET A PLAN AMENDMENT, HE NEEDED A, THE MINIMUM HE COULD GET WAS A C THREE. 
          [02:20:01]
OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UM, COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. 
          ALRIGHT, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE. 
          UM, IN LIGHT OF THE USE AND THE DOWN ZONING TO C THREE, I'M GOING TO MOVE, UH, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCGEE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, BY ME. 
          UH, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS. 
          SEEING NONE. 
          ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          JONES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CAYMUS? UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO ROME. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          ABSTAIN AS I HAD TO STEP OUT. 
          MAY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? MCDANIEL? YES. 
          PROTIME GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR? YES. 
          CHAIR ANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. 
          10 TO ZERO WITH ONE OBTAINED VOTE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IF WE CAN MOVE ON 
          [16. 21-3932 ZONING CASE Z-2021-10700098 (Council District 7)]
TO ITEM NUMBER 16. 
          THIS ITEM 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO MF 25. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 4,000 BLOCK OF WBA ROAD. 
          THERE WERE 18 NOTICES MAILED. 
          TWO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING LANDS. 
          IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED MF 25 IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING MF 33 IN THE AREA. 
          IT IS ALSO APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, HAVING GOOD VEHICULAR ACCESS AND PROXIMITY TO COMMUNITY FACILITIES, RETAIL AND SHOPPING CENTERS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU. 
          IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR. 
          THIS IS EMILY WEISLER. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. 
          MS. WEISLER, IF YOU PROCEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN EVERYONE. 
          UM, EMILY WEISLER. 
          WE'RE KILLING GRIFFIN IN FAIRMAN. 
          IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND START WITH SLIDE TWO PLEASE. 
          UM, AS CHRISTIE MENTIONED, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS JUST A LITTLE OVER 13 ACRES LOCATED ALONG WE BACK ROAD. 
          WE ARE NORTHEAST OF INGRAM PARK MALL AND JUST WEST OF ROXBURY DRIVE. 
          UM, ACROSS THE STREET IS A RECENTLY DEVELOPED MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT CALLED THE PARK ON . 
          THAT'S ZONED MF 33. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE ONLY NEARBY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO A LOT OF VACANT UNDERUTILIZED LAND IN THIS AREA, INCLUDING THE 13 ACRES PROPOSED FOR REZONING. 
          TODAY WE DO ADJOIN THE INGRAM FESTIVAL SHOPPING CENTER TO THE REAR. 
          UM, BUT WE ONLY HAVE ACCESS ON VEHICULAR ACCESS ON HORSEBACK ROAD. 
          SLIDE THREE PLEASE. 
          THIS JUST SHOWS, UH, THE WEST SECTOR PLAN, UH, PLAN DESIGNATION. 
          WE ARE DESIGNATED GENERAL URBAN TIER, WHICH IS CONSISTENT, UM, AND COMPATIBLE WITH NOT ONLY THE SURROUNDING ZONING, UM, AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, BUT ALSO WITH OUR REQUESTED REZONING TODAY. 
          MS. WEISLER, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU MS. WEISLER. 
          I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          UH, CAN WE GET THE THAT'S OKAY. 
          PRESENTATION UP STAFF PLEASE. 
          UM, THAT'D BE HELPFUL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE'VE, UH, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO LOAD IT. 
          UM, MY GUESS IS IT IS PROBABLY A BIT LARGE AND SO WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING IT TO OPEN. 
          IT'LL JUST BE, UH, A FEW MORE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HOPE, I HOPE MINUTES WAS AN EXAGGERATION THERE. 
          IT'S, UM, WELL, I CAN TALK. 
          IS THAT, IS IT UP YET, MS. WEISLER? I THINK WE HAVE THE FIRST SLIDE UP, SO IF WE CAN GO TO SLIDE FOUR. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE MS. WEISLER WAS. 
          UH, AND NOW WE ARE ON SLIDE FOUR, I BELIEVE. 
          MS. WEISLER. 
          PERFECT. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, SO SLIDE FOUR SHOWS THE ZONING MAP. 
          UM, THIS COLLECTION OF PARCELS ARE ALL ZONED R SIX, UM, AND WE ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE TO MF 25 TO ALLOW FOR A 324 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, THE PROPOSED REZONING DOES OFFER A PHYSICAL AND ZONING LAND USE BUFFER BETWEEN THE EXISTING DEVELOPED ADJACENT C THREE, WHICH IS THAT INGRAM FESTIVAL SHOPPING CENTER THAT FRONTS FOUR 10. 
          [02:25:01]
UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THE MORE RESIDENTIAL AS YOU GET ACROSS WBA AND HEADED NORTH. 
          UM, THE REQUESTED MF 25 IS DEFINITELY APPROPRIATE ALONG WBA, UM, WE'RE LESS DENSE THAN THE OTHER MULTIFAMILY IN THE AREA. 
          UM, AND DEFINITELY CONSISTENT WITH THE USES IN THE AREA, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S FOR ONLY 324 UNITS. 
          IF WE COULD GO TO SLIDE FIVE PLEASE. 
          SO THIS SHOWS OUR CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT WITH THE 324 UNIT. 
          YOU CAN SEE HOW IT IS ORIENTED. 
          IT WAS ABOUT 14 BUILDINGS. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, AMPLE PARKING AMENITIES THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, THERE IS A DOG PARK ON THE FAR WEST SIDE OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND SO LOTS OF AMENITIES, LOTS OF SPACING. 
          UM, A REALLY GOOD LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY USE THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, WHILE WE ARE PROCESSING THE REZONING REQUESTS, WE'RE ALSO PURSUING A RIGHT OF WAY CLOSURE FOR THE PLATTED PAPER STREETS BETWEEN THE THREE MAIN PARCELS OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, SO THAT WILL TRIGGER THE RE PLATTING AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE AS ONE COHESIVE PARCEL. 
          UM, THE COUNCIL OFFICE HAS ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDING SOME PEDESTRIAN ACCESS NEAR THE REAR, UM, OF OUR PROJECT, WHICH ABUTS THE REAR OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT RUNNING FOUR 10 FOR SOME ADDITIONAL WALKABILITY. 
          UM, ALSO WE ARE, WE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH IN PROXIMITY TO THE DORIS GRIFFIN SENIOR CENTER, WHICH IS A SHOPPING CENTER OVER FROM US. 
          UM, BUT WE, WHILE WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO WHERE THE SENIOR CENTER IS, UM, DUE TO SOME TOPO TOPOGRAPHY RESTRAINT, WE ARE LOOKING AT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, UM, ON THE REAR HERE FOR, FOR SOME MORE WALKABILITY, UM, IN THE AREA. 
          UM, AS SUCH, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING TO MF 25. 
          AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MS. WEISLER. 
          UM, STAFF PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. 
          WE HAVE NONE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THIS IS A DISTRICT SEVEN CASE. 
          UM, SO TO COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, I WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR MENTIONING, UM, WALKABILITY BECAUSE THAT WAS THE REASON WHY, UH, I PULLED THE CASE. 
          UM, IT, IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A GREAT FIT. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM, FROM THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN IN THE AERIAL, IT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S R SIX ZONING AROUND IT, IT IT'S UNDEVELOPED. 
          UM, AND, UH, THE PRIMARY REASON AS I SAID THAT I, I PULLED IT WAS JUST TO HEAR THAT, THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT WAS LOOKING AT HOW TO BETTER, UH, CONNECT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA WITH THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND DIFFICULTIES IN TOPOGRAPHY, BUT YOU KNOW, UH, AGAIN, IF IDEALLY WE COULD HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE SENIOR SITTER AS WELL. 
          BUT, UH, I AM GLAD TO HEAR THAT THEY ARE, UM, LOOKING AT THOSE CONNECTIONS. 
          AND THAT WAS ALL I WANTED TO HEAR. 
          SO I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, SEEING, UM, BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN APPROVAL OR MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR CASE NUMBER OR ITEM NUMBER 16. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SECOND MOTION. 
          UH, THAT WAS MCDANIEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, SIR. 
          THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 16 WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. 
          ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JEN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          C COMMISSIONER. 
          KAMATH. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          FAMOUS. 
          YES. 
          C COMMISSIONER? WE COMMISSIONER? WE. 
          HI. 
          C DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          C COMMISSIONER. 
          GIBBONS COMMISSIONER? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          PROTE GREATHOUSE. 
          YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SIPE? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          A MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. 
          APPROVAL. 
          11 TO ZERO. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UM, THANK YOU ALL. 
          THE 
          [22. 21-4051 Consideration and approval of the May 18, 2021 Zoning Commission 
meeting minutes.]
FINAL ITEM WE 
          [02:30:01]
HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 22, THE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THE MAY 18TH, 2021. 
          ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES. 
          COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS AMENDMENTS? UH, OKAY, WE'VE GOT A LOT THIS WEEK. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          UH, AUGUSTS, SIPES ROMERO MCDANIEL. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          IT'S PROB I I BET COMMISSIONER ROMERO FOUND THE SAME THING. 
          AND, UH, THAT WAS ON THE VANCE JACKSON CASE. 
          IN THE MINUTES IT SAID THAT I MADE THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND IT WAS ACTUALLY HER . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          PROPER ATTRIBUTION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER AL ROME. 
          THAT'S THE SAME CASE THAT I DID NOT EVEN NOTICE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT'S WRONG IS THAT SAID IT SAYS JAMES MCKNIGHT INSTEAD OF JAMES GRIFFIN AS THE ATTORNEY IN THE CASE. 
          AND THEN, UH, UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT IN FAVOR. 
          IT'S A MINOR ONE, BUT THERE'S A SEVEN INSTEAD OF AN AMPERSAND IN THE NAME OF THE FIRM. 
          BRETT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER O. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          AND ON THE SAME CASE, I THINK I WAS A LONE WOLF. 
          UH, VOTE NO. 
          AND, UH, SO JUST TO CORRECT THAT FOR THE RECORD. 
          RECORD ON THAT SAME ITEM. 
          ON THAT SAME ITEM. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL UHHUH . 
          OKAY. 
          ON ITEM THREE, I THINK YOU HAVE ME AS, UH, FAVOR AND I WAS OPPOSED. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER CORRECTIONS AMENDMENTS, COMMENTS REGARDING THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP US ON OUR TOES, BUT IS THERE A MOTION? UH, MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          OKAY, SO THERE'S A MOTION AND FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. 
          MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CORRECTIONS AS NOTED? YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION OF COMMISSIONER SIPES FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTIONS AS NOTED? WE SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          I GOT COMMISSIONER GEE FIRST, UH, MCGEE FIRST, SO WE'LL DO THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. 
          AND A SECOND ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          DR. 
          JONES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. 
          DR. 
          ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          PRO TEMP GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          VICE CHAIR SITE? YES. 
          CHAIR BUSANTE. 
          UH, MOTION PASSES FOR, UH, THE MINUTES OF FIVE 18 AS AMENDED. 
          11 TO ZERO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT THIS WEEK, SO STAFF, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT? YES SIR. 
          IT'S JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WORK SESSION THAT WAS REQUESTED, I GUESS LAST MONTH OR UH, MONTH PREVIOUS ABOUT THE MINOR AND MAJOR AMENDMENT IN TERMS OF I D Z OR INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE AND THE, AND THAT CLASSIFICATION, WE'RE GONNA GIVE THAT BRIEFING AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SO YOU CAN PROBABLY ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO START A, A BIT EARLIER. 
          SO WE'LL PROBABLY START AT AT NOON FOR THAT ONE. 
          VERY WONDERFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S PLAN ON STARTING THE WORK SESSION AT NOON, UH, FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON JUNE 15TH. 
          ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL WE GOT. 
          GREAT. 
          THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. 
          UM, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE AGAIN FOR THEIR PATIENCE, PARTICULARLY WITH MY FIRST ITEM, BUT I DID THINK THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET, UM, THAT KIND OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THAT CASE. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU AS ALWAYS FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR ATTENTION AND UH, YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD WEEK. 
          BYE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BYE BYE-BYE.
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