* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:06] OKAY. UM, WE ARE LIVE STREAMING. UM, SO THIS IS, [2:45 pm - WORK SESSION - Staff briefing and discussion regarding current plan to return to in-person meetings.] UM, THE HISTORICAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION WORK SESSION. IT'S 2:45 PM UM, STAFF WANTED TO CONVENE A WORK SESSION JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL, UM, A BRIEFING AND UPDATE ON, UM, THE, UH, THE PLAN TO RETURN TO IN-PERSON COMMISSION MEETINGS. UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, WE ARE HOUSED OUT OF THE ONE-STOP BOARDROOM, WHICH ALSO HOUSES THE D S D BOARDS OF COMMISSION, SO ZONING, COMMISSION PLANNING, COMMISSION, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. UM, AND SO WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER ON A PLAN, UH, TO RETURN TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS FOR, FOR THE, FOR INITIALLY THE, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT MEET HERE IN THE BOARDROOM AT ONE STOP. UM, SO WE ARE RIGHT NOW TARGETING, UM, AUGUST AS THE RETURN DATE. AND SO OUR FIRST MEETING BACK WOULD BE AUGUST 4TH. UM, WHAT IS DIFFERENT IS WE ARE PROVIDING, UM, SOME TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES AND AS WELL AS SOME KIND OF, UM, ROOM ARRANGING AND FURNITURE UPGRADES HERE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ABLE TO SOCIAL DISTANCE, UM, AND REMAIN SEPARATED, UM, AND, AND IS COMFORTABLE WITH KIND OF HOW WE'RE CONDUCTING BUSINESS HERE. UM, WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO USE TECHNOLOGY TO RETAIN SOME OF THE, UM, VIRTUAL WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETINGS, UM, AS WELL AS GIVE YOU ALL THE OPTION TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY, UM, IF YOU ARE NOT QUITE READY TO RETURN IN PERSON. UM, JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THAT THOUGH, WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE, UM, IN-PERSON MEETINGS, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE, WE NEED, UH, TO HAVE A QUORUM IN PERSON. AND SO, UM, IF EVER YOU DO, UH, THINK THAT YOU WILL NEED TO BE VIRTUAL FOR A MEETING, UM, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REACH OUT TO STAFF SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO ARE PLANNING TO ATTEND IN-PERSON SO THAT WE CAN MEET OUR FORUM REQUIREMENTS. UM, PART OF THE DISCUSSION ONGOING IS KIND OF WHICH THINGS WE WANT TO KEEP. UM, RIGHT NOW WE, I THINK REALLY WE WANT TO, UM, ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN ALL THE VIRTUAL WAYS THEY'RE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE NOW. UM, SO THAT INCLUDES BEING ABLE TO, UH, LEAVE A VOICEMAIL, UM, THAT'S PLAYED DURING THE, DURING THE HEARING FOR YOUR COMMENTS. UM, I THINK WHAT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER IS A LIVE CALL. UM, SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT IF YOU'RE WANTING TO LEAVE COMMENTS IN PERSON, THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING AND DO THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IT CAN BE PART OF THE ONGOING, UH, CONVERSATION MOVING FORWARD, UM, AS WELL AS PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE WRITTEN COMMENTS IN ADVANCE, UH, FOR STAFF TO, UH, PROVIDE INTO THE RECORD DURING THE MEETINGS. UM, AS FAR AS ROOM UPGRADES, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME TECHNO TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES LIKE CAMERAS AND, AND OTHER KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE THIS SUMMER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READY. UM, THERE WILL BE PLEXIGLASS DIVIDERS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT, UH, COMMISSION SEATS AT THE DIOCESE, AND SO YOU'LL HAVE THAT SEPARATION. UM, AND I BELIEVE THE, THE PUBLIC, UH, SITTING AREA WILL BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT AGAIN, UH, IT, THE MEETINGS WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UM, AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ATTEND AND SIGN UP TO SPEAK JUST LIKE THEY WOULD PRIOR TO COVID. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE ALSO HAVE, UM, SHANNON, OUR DIRECTOR, AS WELL AS ALMA HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RETURN TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS. I WOULD JUST ADD ONE THING, LIKE, JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE BEFORE YOU ASK QUESTIONS, I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALL KIND OF LEARNED AT THE CITY IS THAT WHILE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO SCRAMBLE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO BUSINESS DURING COVID, IT WASN'T ALL BAD. AND IN SOME WAYS IT'S REALLY NICE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR CUSTOMERS CAN HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE WITHOUT TAKING OFF WORK AND SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND ALSO, HOPEFULLY THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE. LIKE SAY YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL FOR WORK ONE WEEK, BUT YOU COULD STILL BE ABLE TO JOIN, UM, VIRTUALLY AS LONG AS WE HAVE A QUORUM. SO WE REALLY SEE IT AS A WAY TO KIND OF MAKE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT EASIER ON EVERYONE, UM, WHILE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IN WAYS THAT WE CAN. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY HOPING TO KIND OF MAINTAIN IT AS A, A BIT OF A HYBRID OF, OF BOTH WHILE STILL MEETING OPEN RECORD, UH, OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS, OF COURSE. UM, AND JUST FOR GENERAL KNOWLEDGE FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A, THERE'S A WEBSITE WHERE YOU GO TO, TO DO THE, UH, MEETING AGENDAS. WHAT SORT OF, UH, CHECKING AND PRECAUTIONS. I'M SORRY, JEFF, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I THINK YOU ARE BREAKING UP. SO I, I DON'T KNOW, JEFF, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME OR NOT. I, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS YES, WHAT SORT OF, UM, PRECAUTIONS OR STEPS WILL BE TAKEN WHEN PEOPLE ENTER THE BUILDING? UM, SO AS YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE WAS AN EXECUTIVE ACTION BY THE, HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. HEY, SCOTT. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? WE CAN HEAR YOU, CORY, I THINK SOME ARE DELAYED. JEFF, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK YOUR CONNECTION. THERE MIGHT BE A DELAY ON YOUR END, AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE KIND OF FROZEN EVERY NOW AND THEN. UM, SO RIGHT NOW TEND TO CUT IN AND [00:05:01] OUT. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THE CITY IS NOT ABLE TO ENFORCE, UM, MASKS. UM, AND SO IT IS SORT OF THE HONOR SYSTEM LIKE IT IS IN MANY PLACES RIGHT NOW. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT VACCINATED ARE ENCOURAGED TO WEAR MASKS, HOWEVER, WE CANNOT MANDATE THAT. UM, THE CITY HAS ALSO STOPPED TEMPERATURE CHECKS AT DOORS. AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I MEAN, DOES THE ONE STOP STILL HAVE THE, OKAY, JEFF, WE HEARD CAN, DOES THE ONE STOCK STILL HAVE V BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE V IS, HAVE THE SECURITY CHECK AT THE FRONT DOOR? YES, HE STILL GOES THROUGH SECURITY. I MEAN, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS HAVE NOT CHANGED, BUT IT, THERE'S NO LONGER A REQUIREMENT. I MEAN, THE SIGNAGE POSTED AT THE BUILDING IS TO WEAR A MASK IF, IF YOU'RE NOT VACCINATED. AND THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S NOT POLICED, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING YOUR VACCINATION CARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND, AND THAT IS REALLY BASED ON, UM, DIRECTION FROM, FROM METRO HEALTH AND OTHERS BASED ON THE, THE, THE RISK ASSESSMENT ONCE YOU'VE BEEN VACCINATED. THANK YOU. AND COREY, I CAME IN A LITTLE BIT LATE. WHEN IS THE DATE THAT WE WOULD START THAT? AUGUST 4TH WOULD BE THE FIRST HEARING BACK, UH, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS NOW. OBVIOUSLY THINGS COULD CHANGE, UM, DEPENDING ON, UH, WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME. UM, BUT THAT IS THE TARGET. UM, AND JUST FOR EVERYONE WATCHING, UM, RIGHT NOW A WEBSITE, IT'S CALLED REGISTRAR, WHERE YOU GO TO DOWNLOAD THE CITY'S AGENDAS, UM, WHILE THIS IS HAPPENING, THE CITY IS ALSO UPDATING, UH, TO A DIFFERENT VENDOR. AND SO STARTING IN AUGUST, THERE'LL BE KIND OF A NEW PROCESS FOR FINDING THE AGENDAS AND NOW ATTENDING AND PARTICIPATING IN THE MEETINGS. AND SO WE'LL BE DOING A LOT OF WORK IN JULY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS UP TO SPEED ON HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD. CO CORY IS, UH, UH, GABRIEL, IF, UM, IF THE, IF THE DISCUSSION WAS OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, OPINION SUGGESTIONS, I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, THE H D R C WOULD SIT IT OUT FOR THE FULL LENGTH OF THE, UM, FISCAL OF, OF THIS FISCAL YEAR 2020 THAT ENDS SEPTEMBER 30TH. UM, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO, I DON'T KNOW THE UNI OF THIS MUNICIPALITY, BUT I KNOW SOME MUNICIPALITIES RECEIVED FEDERAL NOTICE, UM, AFTER THIS, THIS LAST HOLIDAY PERIOD THAT THEY'RE EXPECTING OR WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE SIX WEEKS OUT. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE KIND OF A NEGATIVE OUTCOME WITH RESPECT TO THE RATE OF INFECTIVITY. UH, IT'S ALWAYS A, I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GUESS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO WAY TO VERIFY WHETHER THAT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A CAUTION, RIGHT? BUT, UM, IT WOULD SEEM THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, JUST PLAYING OUT THE FISCAL YEAR WOULD BE SMART. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, AND, AND GABRIEL, TO YOUR POINT, IT IS LIKE, I THINK COREY KIND OF SAID THIS, AND THEN YOU SAID SOMETHING, YOU SAID, UH, IT IS A TARGET. LIKE WE'RE KIND OF WORKING TOWARDS THAT. WE KNOW WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BE READY TO GO, WE NEED TO GET THE TECHNOLOGY WE SET UP IN THE BOARDROOM, SO LIKE THAT COULD, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY BASED ON WHATEVER PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR DIRECTIVES THERE ARE, SO THAT COULD CERTAINLY SHIFT. AND IF, IF SEVERAL OF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DATE, UM, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. SO IT'S DEFINITELY NOT LIKE SET IN STONE AT THIS POINT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT THEN. THAT'S WHY I SAID IT THE WAY I SAID IT IS BECAUSE MY, YOU KNOW, FROM MY OPINION, UM, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO ACT LIKE THE VIRUS ACTS. WE DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S KIND OF A MYSTERY. SO, SO WHEN, WHEN WE KNOW IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN BEEN THIS, UH, THIS, UH, UH, NON INCREASE THIS NUMBER THAT LASTS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, IT'S, IT'S ARBITRARY, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFECTIONS FOR THE LAST SEVEN DAYS, OR 14 DAYS, OR 21 DAYS, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT SAYING THAT A TARGET IS GREAT, BUT IT, IT'S WELL WORTH GOING OVER THAT TARGET A LITTLE BIT AND, AND SETTING THAT DATE FURTHER OUT THAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, FOR, I THINK FOR MANY OF US. UH, AUGUST IS TOMORROW, YOU KNOW, SO SEPTEMBER IS ANOTHER 30 DAYS. THIS IS JAY. AND, UM, I, I, I ECHO, THIS IS JEFF. I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT IF THE FURTHER OUT WE COULD PUSH IT PAST SOME, SOME OF THESE. AND, UM, THIS IS JAY AND I, I WAS GONNA SAY I ECHO GABE, BUT THEN I ALSO, UM, OUR CHAIRMAN AS WELL. UM, [00:10:01] THE, WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET BACK TO SOME SEMBLANCE OF NORMALCY, AND I GET THAT. AND THEN I THINK THAT THE, THE HYBRID THING, UM, WILL PROBABLY WORK WELL. I THINK THE ISSUE MIGHT COME IN WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT AT THE SITE, AND THEN NOW WE HAVE AN, WE HAVE AN ISSUE. SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST, LIKE I SAID, JUST TRYING TO PUT THIS OUT THERE AND SEE HOW WE CAN GET BACK TO SOME SENSE OF NORMALCY. BUT THAT, THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE ALSO. UM, BECAUSE WE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW. AND I MEAN, TO BE QUITE HONEST, BEFORE COVID, WE DIDN'T KNOW EITHER. IT COULD HAVE BEEN THINGS OUT THERE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE EITHER, BUT IT'S JUST THAT WITH INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE AS CAUTIOUS AS POSSIBLE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS JOHN. UH, DO WE HAVE THE OPTION OF EXTENDING VIRTUAL MEETINGS INDEFINITELY? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE DO. UM, BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON HAVING THE TECHNOLOGY IN PLACE SO THAT A FEW OF YOU ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETINGS VIRTUALLY, EVEN AS IN-PERSON MEETINGS RECONVENE. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AT CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO COVID, UH, WHERE SOMEONE MIGHT BE OUT DUE TO TRAVEL OR FOR SOME OTHER ISSUE. AND SO IT WON'T BE QUITE THE SAME, BUT THEY WOULD KIND OF PUT A, UH, A MONITOR UP IN THEIR SPOT ON THE, THE COUNCIL DI AND SO THEY'RE ABLE TO, IT IS KINDA LIKE THEY WERE THERE. WE'RE GONNA DO THAT THROUGH WEBEX, AND SO THERE'LL BE CAMERA SET UP IN THE ROOM, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE AND HEAR EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ROOM, BUT THEN THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPANTS VIRTUALLY, WHICH WOULD BE YOU ALL. UM, AND SO YOU'RE ABLE TO, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE THERE, JUST, JUST THE CAVEAT THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN-PERSON MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE ACTUAL TRULY HYBRID MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE FIVE HERE AND FIVE HERE. WE HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM HERE IN PERSON IN ORDER TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. AND SO THERE'LL BE SOME COORDINATION, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THOSE MEETINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THOSE THAT CAN PARTICIPATE IN PERSON ARE DOING. SO, UM, AND THOSE THAT NEED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE WHAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO DO THAT. HEY, COREY, IT'S, UH, STEVE, I JUST WANNA COMMEND Y'ALL FOR, UM, CREATING THAT OPTION FOR THE HYBRID, AT THE VERY LEAST FOR THAT TRANSITION. I KNOW, UM, IT, MAYBE IT'S JUST BEING THE HIGHER ED SECTOR, BUT JUST CREATING THAT, UM, ACCESSIBILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND SO, UM, HAVING FOLKS THAT MAY BE TRAVELING OR WHATNOT, UM, STILL BEING ABLE TO MAKE A POINT AND REPRESENT THEIR DISTRICTS, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. SO, UM, THANKS FOR DOING THAT. I, I THINK ONE OTHER THING TOO THAT, JUST TO MENTION, UM, WE DO INTEND TO KEEP DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE FULLY VIRTUAL, UM, PRIMARILY FOR, UH, CONVENIENCE, UM, ASIDE FROM WHEN THERE'S A SITE VISIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S JUST SO MUCH EASIER FOR YOU ALL NOT TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY COME TO THE OFFICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THAT WILL REMAIN. AND, AND, AND WE HAVE, WE TOTALLY SHARE LIKE THE, THE DESIRE TO KIND OF KEEP, MAKE IT AS CONVENIENT AS POSSIBLE AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. LIKE, BUT, BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT FITS IN THE PARAMETERS OF WHATEVER'S REQUIRED BY THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. AND SO, UM, SO WE WILL, WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THIS FEEDBACK FROM, FROM YOU ALL AND TALK TO ALMA AND OTHERS, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF COORDINATING WITH OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, NOT THAT WE HAVE TO START ON THE EXACT SAME DAY, BUT WE JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL KIND OF COORDINATING, UM, AS PART OF THE OVERALL REVIEW PROCESS BY THE CITY. SO WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THIS FEEDBACK AND THEN WE WILL KEEP COMMUNICATING WITH YOU ALL ABOUT IT. OBVIOUSLY, WE, WE STILL HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION. Y YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THAT LAST PIECE, PARTIC, I MEAN, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEES, UH, I, I, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO, TO JUST, UM, UH, MAKE, UM, UM, UH, MENTION THAT THE REVIEW OF DOCUMENTS IS EASIER BY WEB THAN IT IS IN PERSON. AND THAT'S COMING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE I, FROM MY MINE, OF HAVING BEEN IN DRCS AS A, AS AN APPLICANT AND BEING IN DRCS AS A COMMISSIONER. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE SHOW UP WITH OUR DOCUMENTS, THE DOCUMENTS GO ON A TABLE AND THERE'S PEOPLE SITTING ON ONE SIDE OF THE TABLE, PEOPLE SITTING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE. SO THE DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE FLIPPED. THEY HAVE TO BE SHARED, THEY HAVE TO BE PASSED AROUND, RIGHT? AND WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT ON THE WEBEX, THE DOCUMENTS ARE ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF US. THERE IS NO CONFUSION OF TURNING THE, THE DOCUMENTS AROUND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY VERY HARD TO DO IF YOU REALLY GET DOWN TO A REVIEW IN, IN THAT WAY. [00:15:01] I THINK IF WE WERE REDLINING, UH, UH, CD SET, THAT'S, YOU SIT DOWN AND TALK, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO LOOKING AT THESE LARGE DOCUMENTS AND THEIR PDFS, YOU CAN LOOK AT A, YOU KNOW, A 30 PAGE P D F ON THE WEBEX AND A D R C A LOT MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN IF WE WERE IN PERSON. SO, SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IF THERE'S ANY LEARNING WITH RESPECT TO, UH, IN-PERSON, NOT IN-PERSON TECHNOLOGY VERSUS HUMAN INTERACTION, UH, IN-PERSON INTERACTION, UH, THAT I THINK IS ONE BIG LEARNING THAT I WOULD'VE NEVER EXPECTED THAT A D R C WOULD BE EASIER OR AT LEAST EASY, EASIER TO COMPREHEND DATA. UH, AND, AND I FIND THAT IT IS MY OPINION. I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK, I THINK WE'VE HEARD THAT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I THINK IT'S ALSO BEEN HELPFUL TO ALLOW MORE PARTICIPATION FROM CIS GROUPS AND, AND, UH, CONSERVATION. SO SOCIETY AS WELL, RATHER THAN HAVING US ALL CROWDED INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SMALL CONFERENCE ROOMS THERE AT D S D, I THINK IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO COME AND GO BETTER. SO I CONCUR WITH, UH, WIFE, FELLOW COMMISSIONER. OKAY. WELL, WE WILL KEEP YOU ALL POSTED AS THINGS KIND OF DEVELOP, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT HEADS UP. UM, ALL RIGHT. I, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING ELSE IS NEEDED OTHER THAN A CALL TO ORDER FOR THE, FOR A REGULAR MEETING. CAN WE JUST CHECK JEFF'S SOUND BECAUSE YEAH. DELAYED. YEAH, ACTUALLY, LET'S DO THAT FIRST. JEFF CAN JUST CONFIRM. YOU CAN HEAR US. I THINK YOU HAVE A DELAY ON YOUR END IS THE ISSUE. YES, I'VE TRIED REBOOTING AND IT'S APPARENTLY STILL HAS A DELAY. OKAY. WILL YOU, UM, JUST MUTE YOURSELF AND THEN CALL IN SEPARATELY, UM, WITH AN AUDIO CONNECTION FROM A PHONE, PHONE NUMBER SHOULD BE ON THE, THE MEETING INVITATION. GIVE ME A MINUTE. TRYING TO GET THERE. ENTER YOUR ACCESS CODE OR ENTER YOUR ATTENDEE ID NUMBER FOLLOWED BY POUND. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW YOUR ATTENDEE NUMBER, PRESS POUND TO CONTINUE. THAT SHOULD BE ME. DO Y'ALL HEAR ME? DO Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES. UM, JUST MAKE SURE YOUR, UM, IPAD OR COMPUTER, WHAT YOU'RE USING FOR THE VIDEO IS MUTED. YEAH, YOU ARE NOW. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND SAY SOMETHING NOW. JEFF, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, THERE'S STILL A SLIDE BELOW. UM, TRY AGAIN. SAY SOMETHING. YEAH, YOU'RE REALLY, IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR YOU. [00:20:05] ARE WE READY TO CALL TO ORDER? YES. HEY, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JUNE 2ND, 2021. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ FISH. FISH. HERE. HERE. UM, OKAY, ONE SECOND. WE'VE GOT SOME FEEDBACK WE NEED TO IDENTIFY. UM, DO JEFF, I THINK IT'S CAR. CAR. YOU WENT MUTE. YEAH, SORRY. WE'RE UNMUTED EVERYONE. JEFF, I BELIEVE IT'S AN ISSUE WITH YOUR, YOUR PHONE PICKING UP YOUR COMPUTER SPEAKERS. IS THERE HEADPHONES YOU CAN USE FOR THE COMPUTER? ALL RIGHT, ONE SECOND. EVERYONE. IT MAY BE EASIER IF JEFFREY STARTS HIS COMPUTER AND MAYBE HIS CONNECTION WOULD IMPROVE. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. THERE'S STILL BAD DELAY. UM, I, WE DON'T HEAR IT ON OUR END ANYMORE. WELL, I HEAR IT ON MY END, SO I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, SO HANDLE THE MEETINGS. WE'LL USE, USE THE AUDIO FROM YOUR CALL AND MUTE YOUR COMPUTER SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING COMING FROM YOUR COMPUTER SPEAKERS. THAT WORK. IS JEFF MUTED AGAIN? HOW ABOUT NOW? UH, I STILL HEAR THE, LIKE A LET'S DON'T, DON'T DO ANYTHING. LET'S, OKAY. DO YOU HAVE YOUR COMPUTER MUTED? YEAH, YOU ARE USING HEADPHONES WITH YOUR PHONE FOR THE AUDIO. YES, I'M COMPUTER, RIGHT? SO CAN YOU GO INTO ON WEBEX ON YOUR COMPUTER, GO TO THE BOTTOM. UM, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE HE GOES TO MUTE? WEBEX? JUST DO SPACE ON YOUR, WELL, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. WE NEED IT TO, UM, WE NEED WEBEX. AUDIO NOT TO MUTE ON WEBEX IS JUST AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, SO HE IS THREE DOTS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. YOU CAN CHANGE AUDIO CONNECTION. YEAH, SWITCH AUDIO. THEN JUST WE CAN DISCONNECT AUDIO. I HEAR A LOT OF ECHOING. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HEAR A LOT OF ECHOING? IT'S HIS PHONE MUTE. WELL, WELL, CORY, FUNNY THING HE, BEFORE HE WENT ON THE PHONE, HIS ECHO HAD STOPPED. ALRIGHT, LET'S, JEFF, LET'S HANG UP THE PHONE AND LET'S JUST TRY YOUR COMPUTER AGAIN. OKAY. HOW WAS THAT? HOW WAS THAT? I THINK IT'S ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A DELAY? YES, THERE IS ON MY END. ON MY END. THAT'S NOT THE BEST. UM, CAN WE PLEASE PAUSE THE LIVE SCREEN WHILE WE TAKE [00:25:01] FIVE MORE MINUTES TO FIGURE THIS OUT? AND, AND IT'S STILL THERE. OKAY, WE'RE BACK. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO [Roll Call] ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JUNE 2ND, 2021. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ ISH. HERE. GIBBS HERE. VELASQUEZ HERE. OLA. ZU. OLA. HE HAD TO GO PICK UP HIS CHARGER. HE'S GONNA GET HIS PHONE. CHARGER. ZUMA ON HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. HERE. ROMAN BETS HERE. . HEY, HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. SOMEONE, SOMEBODY, WILL SOMEBODY BE MAKING THE TRANSLATION ANNOUNCEMENT? WE WANNA START THIS. THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN'S [Chairman’s Statement] STATEMENT, PLEASE? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL CASES ON THE AGENDA, AS WELL AS TO MINIMIZE THE LENGTH OF THE MEETING, THE APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. YES, THANK YOU. UM, SORRY FOR EVERYONE, UM, WATCHING THE LIVESTREAM. UH, WE HAD A SLIGHT DELAY GETTING STARTED, SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES. UM, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE CASE LIST HERE, UH, WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, STAFF ANNOUNCEMENT. IT'S KIND OF SAD TO SAY THAT. UM, OUR OWN, WE FAM A CASE MANAGER THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE H D R C, UM, HAS RECENTLY ACCEPTED A NEW POSITION, UM, IN WASHINGTON STATE. UM, HE'S GONNA BE THE PRESERVATION PROGRAMS DIRECTOR FOR THE WASHINGTON TRUST FOR PRESERVATION. UM, AND SO WHILE WE'RE SAD TO SEE HIM GO, UM, WE DO WISH HIM SUCCESS, UM, IN THIS NEXT CHAPTER OF HIS CAREER. AND WE, UM, HOPE YOU CAN ALL CONGRATULATE HIM AS HE MOVES ON. UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE TWO AGENDAS POSTED TODAY. UM, THE ITEMS FOR OUR REGULAR 3:00 PM AGENDA ARE HERE. UM, WE HAVE ALSO CALLED AN EMERGENCY, UH, HEARING FOR, UH, THE ITEM REGARDING A 21 WEST COMMERCE. UM, THAT'LL BE HEARD, UH, AROUND 6:00 PM OR FOLLOWING COMPLETION OF THESE ITEMS. UM, SO AS YOU CAN [Public Comments] SEE ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE LISTED ALL OF THE ITEMS, UM, THE GI CONSENT AGENDA ONE THROUGH SEVEN. UM, YOU CAN SEE WE DO HAVE, UM, COMMENTS AND, UH, VOICEMAILS, UH, FOR THOSE I WILL READ THEM AT THIS TIME. UM, LAUREN, I DO SEE WE HAVE GENERAL COMMENTS TO BE READ. ARE THOSE IN MY LIST HERE? [00:30:08] OKAY. I WILL READ THESE AT THIS TIME. UM, THE GENERAL COMMENT COMES FROM, UH, ANDREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE M P N A THANKS O H P STAFF FOR THEIR PROGRAMS AND EVENTS DURING HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH, UH, WHICH WE JUST CONCLUDED THIS MAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE, THE SHOUT OUT THERE. UM, ITEM 3 8 75 EAST ASHBY PATTY ZIONS WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE FINDING OF THE SOURCE SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE BOARD IN CREAMERY AT 8 75 EAST ASH V. THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND SUBSEQUENT ADDITIONS WERE DESIGNED BY THE PROMINENT TEXAS ARCHITECTS, ATLEY AND ROBERT AYERS. THE STRUCTURE RETAINS MANY ORIGINAL FEATURES AND IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF ART DECO COMMERCIAL ARCHITECTURE. THE STRUCTURE OPERATED AS A CREAMERY UNTIL 1999 AND SERVES AS A VISIBLE REMINDER OF THE MODERNIZATION OF THE DAIRY INDUSTRY IN SAN ANTONIO. ANMAR DESIGNATION WILL ALLOW THE OWNER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TAX INCENTIVES AND OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WHILE PRESERVING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. UM, NEXT WE DO HAVE A, ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THAT ITEM ITEM AS WELL. SO LET'S PLAY THE VOICEMAIL. I AM FREDERICA KUSHNER SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. THIS MESSAGE REFERS TO ITEM NUMBER 3 8 75 EAST ASHBY PLACE, H D R CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH 2 4 6. THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION TAKES THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE OWNERS OF 8 75 EAST ASHBY PLACE FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS ICONIC BUILDING. THIS REHABILITATION AND DEVELOPMENT WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE ASK THAT THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY KNOWN AS THE BOARD AND BUILDINGS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK, THANK YOU. UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM 6 5 0 5 EAST PARK WITH ANOTHER VOICEMAIL. I AM FREDERICA KUSHNER SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. THIS MESSAGE REFERS TO ITEM NUMBER 6 5 0 5 EAST PARK AVENUE, H D R, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH 2 4 7. THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION MET SOME TIME AGO WITH THE OWNERS OF 5 0 5 EAST PARK AVENUE TO DISCUSS A PROPOSAL WHICH WAS SIMILAR TO THIS ONE. WE BELIEVE THIS PROPOSAL TO BE SUPERIOR TO THE INITIAL ONE IF THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH O H P STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS. THE PROJECT WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE ASK THAT THE HISTORIC AND DESIRE REVIEW COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WINDOW AND DOORWAY MODIFICATIONS, A NEW REAR PORCH AND CARPORT, AND A ONE DOOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH STAFF STIPULATION. THANK YOU AND O H P STAFF FOR YOUR WORK ON BEHALF OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT FRIDAY, I'M 7 1 10 EAST RISHI. UM, WE HAVE LISA LIN ON THE LINE. STEPH, ARE YOU THERE? YES, LISA, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH A STIPULATION. ALTHOUGH WE CONCUR THAT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS ACCEPTABLE ON THE WEST SIDE ALLEY, THAT ALSO SERVES THE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE ON SOUTH FLORES. WE RECOMMEND THAT A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THE BACK ALLEY. GRANTED, THE U D C MAY ALLOW FOR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, BUT CONSIDERING THIS IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, PRECEDENTS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. THE BACK ALLEY SERVES THE OTHER RESIDENCES ON THIS BLOCK, AND THERE IS NO PRECEDENT FOR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. A SIX FOOT FENCE WILL BE APPROPRIATELY NO TALLER THAN THE EVE ON THE EXISTING SHED AND NOT BE HIGHER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER FENCES FACING MS. ALLEN. THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT COMPLETES THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. AND AFTER HEARING THOSE, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL [CONSENT AGENDA] CONSIDERATION? THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I NEED TO RECUSE OFF OF CASE NUMBER ONE. SO IF WE HAVE ENOUGH COMMISSIONERS, I'LL RECUSE OFF THE WHOLE CONSENT. WE DO. [00:35:01] THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. COULD I PULL ITEM SEVEN? THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS. 1 2 3 4 5 6. UH, AS, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS. I'VE NEVER DONE A MOTION FOR A CONSENT AS, HOW DO YOU SAY THAT, CORY? TYPICALLY IT'S WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND MR. GIBB? I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UM, DO WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA IS ABSENT. ZOOMER RUN. AYE. CARPENTER? CARPENTER. AYE. AYE. C LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WHAT'S LIT? CHAIRMAN FETZER REJOIN US. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN. [7. 21-4089 Address/Description: 110 E RISCHE HDRC Case No.: 2021-249 Historic District Name: Nathan Applicant: James Ochoa Request: Fence replacement with 8’ fence City Council Dist.: 1] ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM. AND I HAVE, UH, JAMES ON THE LINE. HELLO? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. WAS PULLED FOR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER FISH. YES. I I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE POSITION OF THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE ALONG THE ALLEY AND JUST WHAT, WHAT THE OTHER HEIGHTS, FENCES ALONG THAT EIGHT FOOT SEGMENT THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING ARE IN, IN RESPONSE TO KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S COMMENTS? YOU MEAN ON THE, ON THE BACK PORTION OF THE ALLEY? YES. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMMENTS ABOUT SIX FOOT EIGHT, MORE APPROPRIATE THAN EIGHT FOOT. UH, I KNOW THAT ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON DANIEL STREET, HE HAS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UH, ALSO, SO, I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, UH, WHY THEY'RE, UH, COMMENTING ON IT. AND, AND THAT HOUSE HAS WAS RENOVATED, UH, LIKE IT'S, I THINK LIKE THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO. AND IT HAS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE DIVIDING BETWEEN TWO HOUSES. A STAFF CAN ALSO CLARIFY THAT THE HOUSE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE APPLICANT'S HOUSE WAS APPROVED FOR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, UH, IN 2018, I BELIEVE. AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AT THIS TIME, BUT THERE IS AN APPROVAL ON RECORD FOR AN EIGHT FOOT ALONG THAT ALLEYWAY DIRECTLY BEHIND THE, UM, THE CURRENT, UH, SUBJECT HOUSE. OKAY, THEN THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE TO ME. THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP. AND IN THAT CASE, I, I CONCUR WITH, UH, STAFF AND I'D MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. AYE. GIBBS. GIBBS AYE. VELASQUEZ QUEZ AYE. ZU CIMARRON. AYE. C CARPENTER, CARPENTER AYE RUB. AYE. THAT AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 8 1 30 CLUB. LET'S GIVE WE JUST A MOMENT. HE'S GONNA CONTACT THAT APPLICANT. ALRIGHT. I HAVE PATRICK ON THE LINE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE CASE FILE AGENDA ITEM [8. 21-4147 Address/Description: 130 CLUB DR HDRC Case No.: 2021-222 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Patrick Putze Request: Modifications to rear accessory structure City Council Dist.: 7] NUMBER EIGHT, CASE NUMBER 20 21 2 2 2 AT ONE 30 CLUB, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ENCLOSE THE OPEN WALL PLANE OF A REAR CARPORT STRUCTURE WITH A SLIDING VINYL WINDOW, FRENCH DOOR, AND MATCHING CEMENT FIBER. TILE SIDING. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE WINDOWS ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, SUCH AS THE BLACK ALUMINUM ONE OVER ONE WINDOW ALREADY FOUND ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED WHITE [00:40:01] SLIDING VINYL WINDOW. THIS CASE COMES TO US AS A RETURNING D R C CASE, WHICH, UH, THE D R C MEMBERS MAY, UH, SUMMARIZE IF THEY'D LIKE. AND YOU'LL SEE, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS WERE ADDED TO THE CASE FILE. UH, PATRICK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, AND, UM, CONFIRM YOUR POSITION. UH, HI AGAIN. UM, I'M, I'M PATRICK PEPSI. I AM A RETIRED AIR FORCE DISABLED VET LIVING AT ONE 30 CLUB DRIVE. I'M ALSO AN ARTIST TO WHICH WE CAN CONVERTED THE FORMER CAR, UH, CARPORT GARAGE SPACE TO BE A FUNCTIONING ART STUDIO. AND I'VE WORKED WITH SWAY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO TRY TO MEET WHATEVER NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS YOU GUYS HAVE SET ASIDE FOR THIS. AND RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE ONLY THING WE'RE DOWN TO IS APPROVAL FOR THIS VINYL ENCASED WINDOW THAT I'VE CHOSEN, UM, FOR LIGHT PURPOSES AND VENTILATION PURPOSES OVER THE, UM, A MENTIONED ONE OVER ONE. AND WE WENT THROUGH THE D R C AND I THINK THEY APPROVED IT AND A MATTER OF FINALIZING IT, I SUPPOSE THIS IS THE WINDOW IN QUESTION. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, WE DO. UM, UM, JUST ONE, IT COMES FROM DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT AT THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE N P AND A THANKS, H C R C AND O H P STAFF FOR THEIR TIME IN SENDING THIS APPLICATION TO D R C FOR EVALUATION. N P A SUPPORTS STAFF'S INITIAL STIPULATIONS FOR THE WINDOWS TO ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE NEW WINDOW BE 1 1 1 TO CITE THE EXISTING BLACK ROOM SLASH WINDOW. ALREADY FOUND A NORTHERN ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE WITH ADEQUATE TRIM. AND TWO, THE DOOR TO MATCH EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN. I BELIEVE. COMMISSIONER FISH YOU AT THE D R C. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A REPORT? SURE. UH, GENERALLY WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. UH, WE, WHAT WE DID AT THE D R C IS WE TOOK A GOOD LOOK AT THE CONTEXT, THE VISIBILITY AND THE COLLECTION OF A VARIETY OF WINDOWS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING SOME WITH FA DIVIDED LIGHTS, UH, SOME THAT WERE METAL, UH, LARGELY NON HISTORIC. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT SLIDE 13, WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, TRIM CONDITION, I BELIEVE ON MINE. IT'S SLIDE 13, WHERE WE CAN KIND OF BEST SEE THE TRIM CONDITION THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THESE WINDOWS. AND GIVEN THEIR CONTEXT AND LIMITED VISIBILITY, UH, WE FOUND THIS TRIM WOULD, UH, GENERALLY BE, UH, CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, DID I LEAVE ANYTHING OUT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. AND I, I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED HERE. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH THE, THE TRIM DETAILS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN THE DAR SEAT. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ. AYE. SUM RUN? AYE. CARPENTER? CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. FETZER. AYE. LI AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UP NEXT IS ITEM NINE. RACHEL, [9. 21-4159 Address/Description: 310 E CAROLINA ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-090 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Nicholas Melde/Architexas Request: Demolition of primary structure, new construction of primary structure and 2-story rear addition City Council Dist.: 1] ARE YOU THERE WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT? RACHEL? LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVEN'T LOST HER. OKAY. I AM HERE. GO AHEAD. THANK AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 9 3 10 EAST CAROLINA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND TO CONSTRUCT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, EXCLUDING CURRENT ADDITIONS AND CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR ADDITION ITEM ONE THAT DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REQUEST. ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE DEMOLITION OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS ONE A THROUGH ONE E. ITEM TWO. IF THE H D R C FINDS THAT EITHER AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR FAILING THAT AN IRREVERSIBLE LOSS [00:45:01] OF SIGNIFICANCE HAS OCCURRED TO WARRANT APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS TWO A THROUGH TWO J. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS ACCURATE AS-BUILT ELEVATION DRAWINGS FOR EACH SIDE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND PROPOSED ADDITION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, OR, I'M SORRY, JUST FOR STAFF REVIEW AND TWO OF THE EXISTING BUILDING IS BE RETAINED. THE DEMOLITION PLAN MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED EDITION AND HOW IT WILL ATTACH TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE AND TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. AND THE PROPOSED ADDITION PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARDS, WINDOW STIPULATIONS, AND SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW. AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT NICK MELBY ON THE LINE. NICK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND TALK TO, UM, OR SPEAK TO YOUR REQUEST? SURE. UM, THANK YOU RACHEL. AND, UM, THANK YOU H G R C, UM, FOR, UH, TAKING, UH, FOR HEARING THIS CASE. UM, SO, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A DEMOLITION OF THE, UH, OF, OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE HERE. AND, UM, UH, PRI PRIMARILY OF, UM, UH, IMPORTANCE IS THE, UH, IS THE ORIGINAL, UH, 900 TO A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UM, OF, OF, OF THE HOUSE THAT FACES OR, OR FRONT CAROLINA. UM, IT IS, UH, OF UNIQUE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, CONSTRUCTED OF, UH, STRUCTURAL CLAY TILE BLOCK. UM, BUT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE, UH, THE FOUNDATIONS FOR THOSE, UH, BLOCK WALLS, UH, IS DETERIORATING AND, UM, AND, UH, HAS CAUSED, UH, UH, PRETTY, UH, I, I GUESS, UH, YOU KNOW, PRETTY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE HERE WHERE WE'VE GOT A, UH, WHERE WE'VE GOT WALL, UH, THE EAST AND WEST WALLS OF THE HOUSE GOING OUT AT THE FOUNDATION. AND, UM, AND SO IT WAS, UM, UH, OUR INITIAL ASSUMPTION THAT, UH, THAT REHABILITATION, UH, OF THE, UH, OF, OF THIS PORTION OF THE HOUSE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, VERY DIFFICULT. AND SO WE WENT AHEAD AND APPLIED FOR, UM, DEMOLITION, UH, WITH THE INTENT OF RECONSTRUCTING, UH, THIS PORTION OF THE HOUSE, UH, OUT OF, UH, UH, LIKE, I GUESS MORE, MORE ECONOMICAL MATERIAL, FLAT ON GRADE WITH, UM, UH, WITH A WOOD FRAMED EXTERIOR WALLS AND A STUCCO EXTERIOR. UM, CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, UH, NOBODY CAN SEE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THE INTERIOR WALLS, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE MADE OF, OR THE STRUCTURAL WALLS, THE LOAD-BEARING WALLS ARE MADE OF, UM, CLAY TILE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S CLAD IN, BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING'S CLAD IN STUCCO. AND SO, UM, WE FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK AND RECONSTRUCTING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HERE MIGHT BE A MORE ECONOMICAL APPROACH. AND, AND WE DID GO THROUGH, UH, SOME COST ESTIMATING ON THIS. UH, WE HAD A, UH, WELL RENOWNED, UH, MASON, UH, COME OUT, UM, UH, AND, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, AT, AT THE SITUATION AND GIVE US A COST TESTIMATE FOR THAT. AND WE HAD, UM, VERY GOOD CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, UH, COME OUT TO, UH, KIND OF ROUND OUT THE NUMBERS, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THE REHABILITATION. AND, UM, THOSE NUMBERS CAME IN, UM, AT ABOUT, UM, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE 'EM IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT'S, UH, AROUND $440,000, I BELIEVE, UM, FOR, FOR THE REHABILITATION. UH, 140 TO 150 OF THAT WAS THE MASONRY REPAIR. UM, THE MASON RECOMMENDED THAT WE, UH, COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCT THE WEST FACADE ALONG THE DRIVEWAY, UH, WHERE THE ONE WITH THE CHIMNEY ON IT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UH, DETERIORATION, UM, THERE ADDITIONALLY TO, UH, TO SUPPORT THE, UH, THE, THE CONCRETE, OR I'M SORRY, THE, UH, UH, THE CLAY TILE WALLS, UH, A CONCRETE STEM WALL WOULD NEED TO REPLACE THE BLOCK, UH, STEM WALL FOUNDATION, UM, UNDER THIS TO, UH, TO GIVE A MORE SECURE FOOTING, UH, TO THE, TO THIS MASON RECONSTRUCTION. AND SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, TODAY IS TO, UH, CONSIDER THE, UH, ECONOMIC BURDEN OF, UH, $450,000 REHABILITATION [00:50:01] JUST TO THE FRONT, 900 TO THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UM, OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION. AND, UH, COMPARED TO, UM, A COST THAT, UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH THE OWNER'S, UM, CONTRACTOR OF ABOUT, UH, OF ABOUT 215,000 FOR THE COMPLETE DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF JUST THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO APPLES TO APPLES. IT'S JUST FOR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, NOT INCLUDING ANY OF THE, NOT INCLUDING ANY ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST FOR THE ORIGINAL THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR SO, UM, AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, UM, TODAY, AND WANTED TO GET, UM, Y'ALL'S OPINION ON IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE CITIZENS? YES, WE DO. UM, THIS COMES FROM PATTY ZIONS, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE AT THREE 10 EAST CAROLINA STREET. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE FOR ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE. WE INCUR WITH THE O H P STAFF THAT, THAT THE DEMOLITION PROPOSAL WILL BE DENIED, AND THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, COMMENT WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO THE END. THANK YOU CHAIR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. YES, SIR. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE PERSON THAT GAVE THE PRESENTATION. YES, SIR. ON, ON THE, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, I I GUESS THE BULK, THE BULK OF THE, UM, THE THING TO CONSIDER HERE IS THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, RIGHT? THE REPORT THAT YOU GAVE IS, IS IT THAT THE RED TILE, UM, BEARING EXTER, EXTERIOR BEARING PARTITIONS, PERIMETER PARTITIONS ARE SITTING ON BEAMS AND THE INTERIOR IS WOOD FRAMED BETWEEN THE BEAMS THAT, UH, HOLD EXTERIOR. SO THERE, THERE IS ALSO A, UM, AN AN INTERIOR, UH, WALL THAT, THAT RUNS DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UH, SPINE WALL THAT RUNS DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLANT, THAT IS ALSO A MASONRY WALL, RIGHT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE. BUT, BUT BETWEEN WHATEVER IS, IS, IS, UM, UM, LOAD BEARING. UH, THERE'S FOUND, THERE'S, THERE ARE CONCRETE BEAMS, BUT BETWEEN IT'S WOOD FRAME IS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. YES, SIR. OKAY. NOW, UH, HAD, HAD YOU PROVIDED THE, UH, OFFICE OF PRESERVATION WITH ANY STRUCTURAL REPORTS? UH, WE, WE DID NOT. SO WE, WE TRIED, UH, GETTING A STRUCTURAL REPORT FROM A, AN, AN ENGINEER THAT WE TYPICALLY WORK WITH ON MASONRY BUILDINGS. UM, IN THIS CASE, THEY SAID THAT, UH, THEY WOULD DEFER TO THE MASON MM-HMM. , UM, HERE BECAUSE, UM, THEY RESPECT HIS OPINION SO GREATLY. CURTIS HUNT, I THINK, UM, RECONSTRUCT, OR WHAT IS IT, CURTIS HUNT RENOVATIONS? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RESTORATIONS, YEAH. WELL, THE, THE REASON WHY I ASK YOU IS BECAUSE, UM, IT WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE HARD TO HAVE ANY OPINION REALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, WITHOUT HAVING A, AN ENGINEER TO THAT IS, UM, INDEPENDENT, RIGHT? THAT IS YOUR, YOUR ENGINEER THAT, UM, GIVES YOU THE ADVICE THAT THEN CAN BE, UH, GIVEN TO US NOT BY A THIRD PARTY, BUT BY YOUR, OR YOUR ORGANIZATION. UH, BECAUSE THAT WITHOUT THAT, UH, IT, IT ALMOST MAKES MORE SENSE FOR YOU TO REMOVE THE REQUEST TO GET THAT AND THEN COME BACK WITH THAT. BECAUSE IT'S A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT, THAT, THAT YOU HAVE IN THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT RECONSTRUCTING, BUT THAT RECONSTRUCTION, YOU'RE MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT IS COMPLETELY BASED ON THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OR THE LACK OF INTEGRITY. BUT THERE ISN'T A REPORT FOR US TO GO BY. SO, WELL, I'M, I'M BASING IT OFF OF, OFF, OFF OF, ALSO OFF OF PHOTO, YOU KNOW, E EVIDENCE WHERE WE HAVE MAJOR CRACKS, UM, IN, IN, IN THE WALLS AND IN THE, UH, IN THE MORTAR JOINTS. UM, THE, THE, THE WALLS ARE OVER, ARE SITTING OUT OVER, UH, THE, THE FOUNDATION, UM, ARE, ARE HEAVING OUT OVER THE FOUNDATION. UM, I MEAN, THIS IS, I I, I, I AGREE THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HELP SUPPORT IT, BUT, UM, IT'S IN SUCH , IT'S IN A GOOD AMOUNT OF, I, I MEAN, UH, IT'S IT'S IN A GOOD AMOUNT OF TROUBLE RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE JUST NEED A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO SAY THAT, THEN WE CAN COME BACK. BUT, UM, NO, IT'S NOT THAT, IT'S NOT THAT YOU [00:55:01] JUST NEED THAT, IT'S THAT OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UM, THE TOOLS OF THE ARGUMENT THAT'S LIKE THE NUMBER ONE, UH, TOOL. SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A SIGNED AND SEALED PROFESSIONAL, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IS KIND OF SWORN TO TELL THE TRUTH. SO THAT, THAT ELEMENT, THAT OFFICIAL ELEMENT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT I SAY THAT PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE WAY THAT YOU'RE, UH, SUGGESTING TO REBUILD AS WELL. SO THERE'S THESE PLUS AND MINUSES, RIGHT? BUT A STRUCTURAL REPORT WOULD BE IMPORTANT, AND YOU ALWAYS RUN THE RISK OF GETTING A DENIAL FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY JUST BROUGHT IN COMPLETE. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WITH THAT LETTER THAT YOU WOULD GET A, UH, AN APPROVAL. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, IT'S HARD TO, YOU KNOW, GUIDE YOU OR, OR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO THINK THAT 10 PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO FIND AN AGREEMENT WITHOUT THERE BEING STRUCTURAL FORM. THANK YOU, SIR. WELL, I'LL COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, THIS ACTUALLY GOES ON NOTE WITH WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS YOU GAVE US AT THAT MEETING WAS, UM, THE ELECTRICAL, HOW TO RUN ELECTRICAL, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MASONRY WALLS. AND I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT WE DID TELL YOU WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WAYS OF RUNNING IT FROM BELOW UP, BUT THAT WAS KIND OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAD. AND WE DID ASK YOU TO LOOK AT A, A YES. A MORE PROFESSIONAL REPORT TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY OF THESE WALLS THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE RUN ELECTRICITY. YES, I DEFINITELY RECALL THAT. AND THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T REALLY BRING UP THE ELECTRICAL, YOU KNOW, UM, PART OF THAT HERE, BECAUSE, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED THROUGH THAT, YEAH, WE CAN PUT IN FLOOR OUTLET AND, AND AVOID THE ISSUE, THE RUNNING THAT THROUGH, UM, THROUGH, THROUGH THE WALLS. SO I, I DEFINITELY TOOK THAT. UM, AND, UH, BUT, BUT THE, I I, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE COMING BACK TO HERE IS THAT, I MEAN, I, I DID REACH OUT TO, UH, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT I WORK WITH ON MANY, UM, MASONRY BUILDINGS, UH, REHABS, UH, UM, IN, IN PARTICULAR AND, AND RETROFITS. AND, UM, THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD DEFER TO THE, UM, MASON ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT. SO IF I NEED TO GET A LETTER FROM THEM STATING THAT, UM, I CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES, SIR. UM, IN JUST LOOKING AT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS HERE, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING, UH, SEPARATE FROM SAY A LETTER, UH, FROM THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER ALL ASPECTS OF THIS APPLICATION. HAS THERE BEEN A SITE VISIT TO THIS PROPERTY THAT YES, THERE HAS. UM, THERE WAS A D R C SITE VISIT ON MARCH 30TH, I BELIEVE. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING THAT. UM, I'M, I'M WONDERING THE EXTENT OF THE, UH, THE CRACKING AND SPING THAT WE SEE THERE IN JUST ONE PHOTOGRAPH ON, UH, SHEET NUMBER 20. UH, IF WE COULD HAVE MAYBE SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT WENT THERE AND, AND, UH, UH, REVIEWED THE CONDITIONS, MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT. 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW PREVALENT THIS, THIS CONDITION IS. 'CAUSE WE ONLY SEE KIND OF ONE EXAMPLE OF IT. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UH, I BELIEVE YOU WERE AT THAT SITE VISIT WITH ME AND MONICA SAVINO, OR ON A, AND I CAN SPEAK TO THE HEAVING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE PORTION OF THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT. UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THIS IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS COMING FROM, BUT ABOVE THE FLOOR LINE, UH, ABOUT 18 INCHES TO 24 INCHES OFF THE GROUND. THERE'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A 20 OR 30 FOOT LONG, UH, HORIZONTAL LINE THAT IS PUSHING THE WALL OUT BEYOND THE, THE FOUNDATION AND BEYOND THE PLANE OF THE WALL. AND, AND THEN ON THE WEST SIDE, I'M SORRY, I THINK I WAS THE EAST SIDE, THERE'S KIND OF A LONGER AREA, AND ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE'S KIND OF MORE ACUTE PORTIONS WHERE THAT BULGING ABOVE THE FLOOR LINE, UH, IS OCCURRING. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS HOUSE FROM THE STREET, UH, ABOUT TWO FEET ABOVE THE GROUND, THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF BULGING ON BOTH SIDES. UM, I ATTEMPTED TO LOOK, UM, UNDER THIS HOUSE TO TRY TO GET A VISUAL INSPECTION ON THE FOOTING. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION, THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE CREATING THIS. I THINK THE, THE REPORT PROVIDED THE PACKAGE, UH, SUGGESTS THAT IT'S, UH, RELATED TO THE FOUNDATION. THE BLOCK [01:00:01] WALLS ARE, ARE LOCATED ON. UM, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT THE NATURE OF REPAIR. HOW IS THAT REPAIRABLE? WHAT'S CAUSING IT? UH, IT WAS UNCLEAR AT THE TIME. WE DID REQUEST FURTHER INVESTIGATION, UH, INTO WHAT THE MASONRY REPAIR, UH, WOULD ENTAIL, UM, IN TERMS OF KIND OF A TECHNICAL APPROACH IN ADDITION TO THE COSTS. UM, BECAUSE I KNOW WE MENTIONED THAT, UH, A RECONSTRUCTION AT THIS SCALE IS, UH, RARE AND THERE NEEDED TO BE KIND OF GOOD VISUAL EVIDENCE AND GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT REPAIR IN PLACE WOULD MEAN IF THE BUILDING COULD BE STABILIZED THAT WAY. I, I, I CAN, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FROM THAT SITE VISIT. THE CHAIRMAN, THE CHAIRMAN, UH, ALSO MIGHT HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THE SITE VISIT. YES. AS I RECALL, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK WE ASKED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, SELECTIVE DEMOLITION ALONG THE EAST AND WEST SIDE SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE FOUNDATION BELOW THIS, THESE BULGING AREAS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAD BEEN WITH THIS ONE PHOTO IN THE SUBMITTAL. MY GUESS IS THAT THAT SELECTIVE DEMOLITION HAS NOT BEEN DONE TO, UH, DO A FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF THE FOUNDATION. SO IF, IF I MAY CHIME IN, UH, THAT SELECTIVE DEMOLITION HAS TAKEN PLACE, AND THAT IS HOW THE, UM, MASON CAME TO HIS CONCLUSIONS, UM, IN HIS, UH, COST TESTIMATE. IF YOU LOOK IN HIS COST TESTIMATE, HE KIND OF GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS ON WHAT HE BELIEVES IT WILL TAKE TO REHABILITATE, UM, THESE WALLS, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, SHORING, UH, CERTAIN SECTIONS AND REPLACING THE, UM, BLOCK STEM WALL WITH A CONCRETE STEM WALL FOUNDATION, UH, TO BETTER SUPPORT THE, UH, THE RECONSTRUCTED EAST AND WEST WALLS AND THE NEWLY STABILIZED, UM, UH, NORTH WALL IN SOUTH WALL. AND THAT'S WHAT'S LEADING TO, UH, A GOOD AMOUNT OF THE, UM, COST INCURRED IS. UM, SO YEAH, SO THIS IS THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR'S, UH, ESTIMATE, BUT, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S UP OR DOWN FROM HERE, BUT THE, UM, HERE WE GO. YEAH. SO UNDER OPTION ONE, ESTIMATED COST, UM, UH, HERE'S WHERE HE GOES, HERE'S WHERE THE MASON GOES INTO, UM, WHAT HE BELIEVES IT WILL TAKE TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF THE WEST WALL AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT AND THE FIREPLACE, UM, REMOVING, ALTERNATING, YEAH. FOUR FOOT SECTIONS OF THE WALL FOR NEW FOOTS TO BE POURED, UM, ET CETERA. SO COULD YOU EXPAND ON, ON WHAT THAT, SO OPTION ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ON THIS ESTIMATE MM-HMM. , THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A PLAN OF REPAIR, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. UH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S FOR REPAIRING IT. SO THE PLAN OF RE REPAIR REQUIRES BASICALLY, UH, RECONSTRUCTION, FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF THE EAST AND THE WEST WALLS AND FULL RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOOTING. CORRECT. BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE INSTABILITY, UH, AND OF THE, UM, UH, UH, I GUESS THE BROKEN MORTAR JOINTS, UM, ALONG THOSE WALLS, UM, UH, HE FEELS THAT, AND, AND I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL FEEL THAT IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE A, UM, YOU KNOW, A QUALITY SECURE, UM, YOU KNOW, REHABILITATION, THEN, UH, THE NEW FOUNDATIONS WOULD NEED TO BE POURED IN THIS CASE. UM, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO INSTANCE OF JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PULL IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BOAT OUT BRICK AT THE, AT THE FLOOR LEVEL. AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S KIND OF COMING DOWN TO. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF WEIGHT RESTING ON, YOU KNOW, PRETTY, UH, WELL, UH, MORE BLOCK FOUNDATIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON, YOU KNOW, SOIL IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT EXPANDS AND CONTRACTS WITH, WITH EVERY RAIN. ADDITIONALLY, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT ALL OF THE EXISTING, ALL, ALL OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, UM, HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH, UH, VINYL WINDOWS. SO, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, [01:05:01] WE, UH, THE, THE PROPOSAL, UH, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, UH, FROM RUBA CONSTRUCTION, THE, THE NEXT PAGE DOWN DOES ACCOUNT FOR, UH, REPLACING, UH, YOU KNOW, NEW WOOD WINDOWS. SO I, I, I THINK THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN SOME LOSS OF, UH, HISTORIC, UH, INTEGRITY HERE WITH THE FRONT WINDOWS JUST BEING ONE LARGE SINGLE SQUARE PANE. UH, WE WOULD, UH, REPLACE THOSE WITH, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE AND, UM, UH, UH, FITS IN WITH THE DISTRICT, UM, POTENTIALLY AS, AS I WAS SHOWING THE RENDERINGS LIKE A, A, UH, UH, TWO WINDOWS WHERE, WHERE THERE'S ONE RIGHT NOW ESSENTIALLY, UH, SEPARATED BY A, UH, BY WOOD TRIM. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, ESSENTIALLY FROM, I CAN CONFIRM, I MEAN, I CAN CONFIRM THAT THERE ARE APPEAR TO BE NO REMAINING ORIGINAL WINDOWS. AND I, AND I WOULD ADD, ALTHOUGH THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF WHERE WE ARE, THAT THERE ARE, UH, MULTIPLE MODIFICATIONS OR SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS AND ADDITIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO REMOVE HERE. THEY WERE VERY DIFFICULT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE REAR OF THAT, UH, PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE. THERE WAS PROBABLY AT ONE POINT A SCREENED, UH, PORCH ELEMENT THAT HAD BEEN CLOSED IN LONG AGO, AND THERE WAS SOME REALLY STRANGE THINGS HAPPENING, UH, IN THE WALL PLANE AND IN THE ROOF AND IN THE FLOORS, SO IT WASN'T SO LEGIBLE IN THE REAR AS WELL. RIGHT. MI, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, THIS IS A, UH, A REALLY KIND OF, I THINK AN IMPORTANT, UM, CASE. IT, UM, GREAT. PROVIDES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT A VERY DIFFICULT, UH, UH, SITUATION. RIGHT? VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION. UH, AND I APOLOGIZE TO THE APPLICANT FOR NOT BEING MORE, UH, COMPLETE. AND MY OBSERVATION OF YOUR, OF YOUR STUDY HERE FROM RUBY, UM, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, I THINK HAS BEEN PROVEN RIGHT? THAT'S AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT, AND IT'S NOT FROM A FLY BY NIGHT ORGANIZATION, IT'S FROM ONE OF THE REPUTABLE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, THE, UM, THE THING THOUGH THEN BECOMES A QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH PARTICIPATION, YOU KNOW, FROM PEOPLE, UH, INDIVIDUALS FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE, AND THE PARTICULAR OPINION OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, RIGHT? THE, THE DIFFICULTY BECOMES, OKAY, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF QUALIFIED OPINION WITH RESPECT TO, UM, UM, CONTRIBUTING STATUS, RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, OF SOME HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, YOU KNOW, OVERARCHING, UH, UH, HISTORIC NEIGHBORS IN, IN GENERAL. AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE REPORT BY COMMISSIONER FISH RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO THE MENTION OF THE WINDOWS HAVEN'T BEEN REPLACED, MATCHED WITH THE FACT THAT THE PRESENTATION THAT'S BEFORE US, IT, IT, IT, IT DOES MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO REPLACE WITHIN THE SAME VOCABULARY AND PROBABLY WITH MENTION OF THE WINDOWS THAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT, THAT THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, FORGET WINDOW REPLACEMENT, THEY'D BE NEW WINDOWS AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY MORE BE MORE IN, IN CONTEXT, UH, WITH WHAT WOULD BE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN, IN THAT SITUATION THERE. RIGHT? SO, VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UM, WHEN A FOUNDATION STARTS TO GIVE AWAY AND YOU HAVE A, A BLOCK, UM, UH, BEARING PARTITION SYSTEM, HOW DO YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, FIX THAT IN ANY REASONABLE COST IF YOU'RE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT JUST FIXING BUILDINGS FOR THE HECK OF IT. BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK THE SPIRIT OF, OF SOME PRESERVATION, RIGHT, IS THAT IF THE BUILDING IS OF VALUE TO THE OWNER TO SUCH A DEGREE THAT THE OWNER'S GONNA SAY, PARANOID EXPENSE, I WANNA PRESERVE THIS BUILDING, THEN YES, WE ALL HAVE SEEN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WHERE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP IS NOT A DISCUSSION, RIGHT? BUT THIS SITUATION IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT, IT ALSO, UH, IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF, UM, A PRECEDENT, RIGHT? THAT IS TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW A BUILDING, HOW, HOW SOMEONE MIGHT SAY, WELL, MAYBE THAT'S, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD THAT'S USED, DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY NEVER FIXED THE WALLS BEFORE AND NOW THE WALLS ARE FALLING. OR YOU SEE THE, THE, THE PRICE QUOTE IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT? THE, IT'S ALSO ONGOING HARDSHIP, RIGHT? YES, SIR. CAN YOU, UH, WRAP UP HERE SO WE CAN GET OTHER COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE? YEAH. YES. AND I, AND I PURPOSELY KINDA WAITED THAT THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE SAYING ANYTHING. UH, COMMISSIONER AND I WAS ALSO LOOKING AT THE CLOCK. THE CLOCK GOT STARTED A FEW TIMES AND IT ALWAYS SAID SECOND [01:10:01] FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS. SO I JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL THAT NONE OF THIS IS REALLY MAKING ANY SENSE WITH RESPECT TO TIME. BECAUSE, BECAUSE THIS, THIS PROJECT HERE BEFORE US IS, UH, NOT AN EASY PROJECT. I, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT A TWO MINUTE PROJECT. OKAY. BUT I'LL CUT MY COMMENTS SHORT. THANK YOU, MR. A QUESTION, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. THE COST TESTIMATE OF 447,000 FROM, UH, RUBA CONSTRUCTION, AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, RUBA CONSTRUCTION AND CURTIS HUNT RESTORATIONS ARE, UH, REPUTABLE AND HAVE A LOT OF RESTORATION REHABILITATION EXPERIENCE. SO I VALUE THEIR OPINIONS. UH, THERE'S 447,000 THAT INCLUDES TOTALLY REBUILDING THE MASONRY PART OF THIS STRUCTURE BY HUNT RESTORATIONS. YOU MENTIONED THAT. CORRECT. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD PREFER BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMICS TO RECONSTRUCT THE HOUSE OUT OF WOOD FRAME. YES. DO YOU HAVE THAT COST ESTIMATE? I DO. AND, AND THAT WAS JUST DONE, UM, UH, OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS WITH, UM, UH, BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE OWNERS, UH, UH, AND, AND THE OWNER'S, UM, CONTRACTOR WHO HAS NOT, SO RUBA CONSTRUCTION WOULD NOT DO THE, UM, UH, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SPECIALISTS RIGHT IN, IN REHABILITATION IN THIS AREA. SO, UM, WHAT WHAT WE CONCLUDED WAS THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, WOULD COST, UM, JUST, AND, AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT TRYING TO BE APPLES TO APPLES. WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL 1000 SQUARE FEET THAT, UM, THAT IS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED OF CLAY TILE BLOCKS AND, UM, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT WITH, UM, A CONCRETE SLAB AND WOOD FRAME, UH, AND A STUCCO EXTERIOR TO MAKE IT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THOSE RENDERINGS THAT, UM, I'M PROPOSING, UH, COMES TO $216,600, AND THAT INCLUDES 20,000 FOR DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, AS WELL AS A, UM, ROUGH, UH, ROUGH NUMBER PER SQUARE FOOT OF $200 A SQUARE FOOT, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, SO TO RECONSTRUCT. MM-HMM. , LET ME JUST SUMMARIZE HERE. SO TO RECONSTRUCT OUT OF MASONRY WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $230,000 TO, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, RECONSTRUCTION OUT OF WOOD FRAMING? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISHER, YES OR NO? UM, I DO, UH, CONCUR THAT THIS CASE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX THAN IT SEEMS AT FIRST BLUSH HAVING VISITED THE SITE. UM, I KNOW IN, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, WE, JESS SAID THERE MIGHT HAVE TO BE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING, SO I, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ARRANGE A, A SITE VISIT WHERE WE CAN HAVE CURTIS HUNT AVAILABLE TO WALK US THROUGH ON THE SITE WHAT THE RESTORATION RECONSTRUCTION PROCESS WOULD ENTAIL SO THAT WE BETTER UNDERSTAND THE REASONS WHY TECHNICALLY RE SO FEASIBLE? UH, YES. I, I'M SURE I CAN SET THAT UP. YEAH. AND, UH, I, I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD ON, ON TOP OF THIS, THIS, I, UH, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO LABEL THIS, YOU KNOW, LIKE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT THERE. UH, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, IN THE FAMILY, UH, IN THIS, UM, FAMILY FOR THREE GENERATIONS NOW. THIS HOUSE, UH, THE CURRENT OWNER, UM, GREW UP GOING TO VISIT HER GRANDMOTHER WHO LIVED HERE, AND THEN IT WENT TO THE CURRENT OWNER'S AUNT, AND NOW THAT AUNT COULDN'T KEEP IT UP AND, UM, AND COULDN'T KEEP THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, GOING. AND SO, UM, THEY, UM, SOLD IT TO, UM, THE, THE CURRENT OWNERS, UH, NOW. SO, UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY. UM, THEY LOVE THIS LOCATION IN, YOU KNOW, IN LA VACA. IT'S BEEN THERE, UM, FOR THREE GENERATIONS, LIKE I SAID. SO, UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE THIS AS ANYTHING OF THE NATURE OF DEMOLITION . THIS IS THE, THE PRIMARY ISSUE HERE IS FUNDAMENTALLY A CONSTRUCTION TYPE ASSOCIATED WITH [01:15:01] A FOUNDATION MM-HMM. , THAT'S HAPPENED OVER A VERY LONG PERIOD THERE. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, YES, I THAT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, I BELIEVE I CAN SET THAT MEETING UP. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS, UH, CASE BE REFERRED TO A ANOTHER SITE VISIT, D R C, AND THAT IN THE MEANTIME, THE APPLICANT ALSO BEGAN TO WORK ON SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, REQUESTED ITEMS THAT ARE UNDER, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING, UH, THINGS LIKE THE LOT COVERAGE AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING. UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOVE. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR ROLL CALL, PLEASE? AYE, GIBBS, AYE. VELASQUEZ, AYE. ZU RUN? AYE, CARPENTER? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. THAT, AYE. AYE, CARRIE, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. WE HAVE ITEM 10. [10. 21-4114 Address/Description: 345 NORTH DR HDRC Case No.: 2021-237 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Daniel Moreno/Medina Drywall & Remodeling Request: Construction of a rear addition, window replacement, facade modifications City Council Dist.: 7] LEE, ARE YOU THERE? YES. ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE NUMBER 20 21 2 37 AT 3 3 45 NORTH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, CONVERT THE REAR COVERED PORCH INTO A 340 SQUARE FOOT, ENCLOSED REAR ADDITION WITH AN 850 SQUARE FOOT CONCRETE PATIO TO REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS OF RELIABILITY, 30 50 BRAND. AND THREE, REPLACE STONE CLADDING WITH FULL WOODGRAIN HARDY PLANK ON TWO ORIGINAL WALL PLANES. THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO RESTORING THE COVER FRONT PORCH BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, WHICH MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH COORDINATION WITH STAFF, INCLUDING OTHER INCIDENTAL ITEMS SUCH AS LIGHTING, FOUNDATION, VENTILATION, WINDOWSILL, INSTALLATION, AND OTHER ITEMS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE REAR ADDITION WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE SIDING DOES NOT FEATURE FAUX WOOD GRAINS SUCH AS USING A SMOOTH HARDY PLANK OR STUCCO FINISH. TWO, THAT THE ADDITION FULLY ADHERES TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS. IN ADDITION, TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON THE STIPULATION THAT THE NEW WINDOW'S FULLY ADHERED TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT. AND THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE FACADE MATERIAL REPLACEMENT. THE STONEWALL SHOULD BE RESTORED TO MATCH TEXTURE DESIGN CONFIGURATION AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING RECONSTRUCTION PLANS SUBMITTED TO STAFF UNLESS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION AS CURRENTLY INSTALLED, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL WINDOWS THAT ARE EVIDENTLY REPLACED OR INSTALLED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR SHOULD FULLY ADHERE TO THE COMMAND SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS, WHICH WOULD BE A WOOD ALUMINUM OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD, ONE OVER ONE SLASH WINDOW WITH NO NAILING PINS OR FOUR DIVIDED LIGHTS. AND ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO COMMITTED TO RESTORING THE FRONT PORCH COVER BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND OTHER INCIDENTAL ITEMS. UH, THIS CASE IS RETURNING TO US FROM A D R C SITE VISIT. UM, FOR CLARIFICATION, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, UH, COMPLIANT WINDOW REPLACEMENT AS WELL AS RESTORING THE STONE WALLS. SO THE MAIN SPEAKING POINT FOR TODAY'S PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION IS ALLOWANCE OF KEEPING THE REAR ADDITION SIDING AND WINDOW AS INSTALLED. I HAVE DAN ON THE LINE. DAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND CONFIRM YOUR POSITION? HI EVERYONE. I'M THE OWNER. UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I KNOW THIS IS FRUSTRATING. UH, I HOPE WE CAN, UH, REACH A RESOLUTION HERE. YES, SIR. UH, WOULD YOU CONFIRM YOUR, UH, ACCEPTANCE OF, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS IN TERMS OF WINDOWS AND STONE REPLACEMENT AND PORCH REPLACEMENTS? YEAH, SURE. SORRY, I'M NOT SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT, UH, YOU FOLKS WERE OUT THERE BEFORE. SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA REPLACE THOSE FOUR WINDOWS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. WE, UH, I'M GONNA TAKE TWO OF THOSE WINDOWS AND PUT THOSE, UH, AND REPLACE THOSE ON THE SIDE. I'M GONNA STONE CLA AROUND THE, UH, SIDING ON THE SIDE. UH, AND THEN I'M GONNA PUT THE FRONT PORCH. YEAH, THOSE, THOSE WINDOWS RIGHT THERE. I'M GONNA TAKE THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE CORNER. I'M GONNA PUT 'EM BACK WHERE THAT SIDING IS. UH, AND THEN I'M GONNA REPLACE ALL THE FRONT WINDOWS WITH THE COMPLIANT WINDOWS. I'M GONNA PUT THE STONE ALL THE WAY AROUND THERE, WHERE THAT SIDING IS. UH, AND THEN I'M GONNA, UH, PUT A PORCH, UH, COMPLIANT PORCH [01:20:01] UP FRONT. THANK YOU. IS THAT, UH, DOES THAT SOUND, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? WELL, BEFORE WE GET INTO STAFF, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DO. UH, MS. DRE GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTE PARTNER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, E M P AND A APPRECIATES THE H C R C COMMISSIONERS AND O H P STAFF FOR THE ONSITE D R C MEETING ON 5 6 2 1. DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTORS WHO PERFORM WORK ON RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES WITHOUT BASIC CITY BUILDING PERMITS MAY PRESENT A LIFE SAFETY CONCERN TO THE COMMUNITY AND DETERIORATE THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF HOMES AND HISTORIC DISTRICT MP AND A SUPPORT STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE AND REQUESTS. ALL WINDOWS WERE REPLACED WERE INSTALLED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, EXCUSE ME, AND REQUEST THAT ALL WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED OR INSTALLED WITHIN THE LAST YEAR SHOULD FULLY ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS. WHILE THE OWNER HAS MADE COMMITMENTS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE ADDED, FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT RESTORE THE, UH, FRONT COVERED PORCH, AND FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT REINSTALL THE WINDOWSILLS REMOVED AND HEADERS TO ALL WINDOWS AS DOCUMENTED AND PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE. THANK YOU. COREY, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE, WHAT WE SAID IN TERMS OF THE OVERARCHING, UH, ITEM? SO LET'S GO TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION PAGE. SO, AS WE MENTIONED, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO, UH, RESTORE THE STONE WALL ON THE ONE SIDE AND, UH, REPLACE WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY REPLACED WITH WINDOWS THAT MEET THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS. UM, AND SO I BELIEVE THAT ALL THAT IS LEFT, UM, IS ITEM THREE. UM, OR I, ITEM ONE, THE ADDITION ITEM ONE. I'M SORRY, YEAH. THREE IS THE STONE REPLACEMENT. SO THAT'S BEEN AGREED TO, BUT NOW ITEM ITEM ONE IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE SURFACE OF THE PLANK. YEAH. SO WE'RE, SO, UH, GO AHEAD. UH, CURRENTLY INSTALLED THERE IS HARDY PLANK WITH FAUX WOOD GRAIN, WHICH STAFF, UH, IS TYPICALLY RECOMMEND AGAINST FOR A SMOOTH PRODUCT. AND THE VINYL, UH, THE WINDOWS ARE SLIDING VINYL WINDOWS. UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S POSITION IS PRIORITIZING FRONT VISIBLE ITEMS, UH, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE, UH, NON-CON PERFORMING ITEMS THAT WERE INSTALLED PRIOR TO THEIR PURCHASE, BUT STILL UNDER CURRENT, UH, ENFORCEMENT TIMELINE. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I CAN GIVE A BRIEF, UH, REPORT ON THE SITE VISIT. I THINK THAT MIGHT, I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP. THERE WERE DEFINITELY A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT WERE, WERE DISCUSSED. UM, I'D LIKE TO START BY FIRST RESPONDING TO, UH, THE SUGGESTED STIPULATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THE, UH, WOOD HEADERS AND SEALS, UH, SEALS IN THE, PARTICULARLY IN THE STONE INSET WINDOWS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND AGREED TO BY THE APPLICANT, THAT THOSE WOULD BE REPLACED IN WOOD. UH, THERE IS AT LEAST ONE INTACT WINDOW FRAME THAT WOULD BE USED AS A MODEL FRAME OUT THOSE OTHER WINDOWS. UM, IN TERMS OF THE RE EDITION, THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S ON, UH, ISSUE TODAY. UH, THAT WORK, I BELIEVE, WAS STARTED UNDER PREVIOUS CONTRACTORS SOME TIME AGO. THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH IT. THERE'S PARTS IN ADDITION THERE, UH, YOU CAN SEE NEAR WHERE THE RED BOX IS, IS SHOWN IN TERMS OF THE POSITION AND MASSING. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT AND AGREE WITH STAFF THAT THAT COULD BE APPROVED. IN TERMS OF THE FAUX WOOD GRAIN HARDY, UH, THERE WAS SOME EVIDENCE THAT THERE MAY INFO WOULD GRAIN HARDY ON SITE, GIVEN ITS LIMITED VISIBILITY. THE, UH, D R C DID NOT OBJECT TO, UH, TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE HARDY PLANK AS PRESENTED AND DIDN'T RECOMMEND REPLACING IT ALL. IN TERMS OF THE WINDOWS, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, THE THREE WINDOWS, MAYBE MAYBE THAT FOURTH WINDOW AS WELL ON THE LEFT, BUT THE THREE HORIZONTAL SHAPED WINDOWS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE SHIFTED TOWARD THE RIGHT THERE. AND THESE WINDOWS ARE NOT THE CONFIGURATION OF THE WINDOWS THAT WE OBSERVED. THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, MANIPULATED THIS PHOTOGRAPH, UH, A BIT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WITH NEW WINDOWS. GIVEN, GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF LOW VISIBILITY, UH, A KIND OF A WIDE VARIETY OF MISMATCH OF WINDOWS THAT PRECEDED THE, UH, THE TIME PERIOD OF AT LEAST A YEAR, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF OBJECTION TO ALLOWING THOSE TO REMAIN, GIVEN THE CONCESSIONS TO REBUILD [01:25:01] THE FRONT PORCH, TO REMOVE THOSE WINDOWS THAT INCLUDED, UH, THE FAUX DIVIDED LIGHTS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, REBUILD THE WOOD SILLS AND HEADS AND RE STONE THAT BUMP OUT ELEMENT WHERE THE STONE HAD BEEN. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW YOU WERE ALSO AT THE SITE VISIT. DID, DID I MISS ANYTHING? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I BELIEVE YOU COVERED IT ALL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WAS ALSO AT THE, AT THE SITE VISIT, UH, JUST PRIOR TO YOUR ARRIVAL AND HAD TO LEAVE EARLY, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD, UH, ADD INTO, IN, UM, TO THE EXCELLENT, UH, REPORT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH GAVE WOULD BE, UH, I THINK THERE'S A, A SERIOUS NEED FOR CONSIDERING HOW THESE WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE RECEIVING PROPER WATERPROOFING. UH, THIS MAY EVEN REQUIRE A PARTIAL REMOVAL OF SOME OF THE SIDING. 'CAUSE IT, IT APPEARED AS THOUGH THERE HAD NOT BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE PROPER PEEL AND STICK TYPE OF, UM, UH, UH, FLASHING, FLEXIBLE FLASHING PUT AROUND THE WINDOWS. AND TO SIMPLY COVER THOSE UP WITH WOOD TRIM WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO WHOEVER WOULD BE THE BUYER OF THIS PROPERTY, AND ULTIMATELY TO THE, UH, LONG-TERM HEALTH OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTY. SO I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, ADD THAT AS A, AS A, A STIPULATION THAT THERE REALLY SHOULD BE PROPER, UH, WATERPROOFING AT ALL OF THE WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, REPLACED OVER TIME. YEAH, I'LL, UH, I ASSURE YOU THAT WE WILL NOT, UH, SELL A PROPERTY THAT THE WINDOWS AREN'T GONNA LEAK. WE'LL FLASH ALL THOSE WINDOWS, WE'LL PULL EVERYTHING AND, AND, UH, RE-FLASH IT BEFORE WE SET 'EM IN, OR WE START SETTING THAT THE ROCK IN THE, IN THE, IN THE WOOD HEADERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR A MOTION? I WOULD SUPPORT ANY OF A MIX OF THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND FISH WITH A SOLUTION IF THAT WOULD BE IN MOTION. COMMISSIONER FISH. WELL, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, GIVEN, GIVEN THE AD, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MAKE THE MOTION? YES, I'LL, I'LL GIVE IT A TRY. UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS TWO AND THREE AND WITH THE, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY AGREED TO, TO PLACE, UH, STANDARD COMPLIANT WINDOWS THE FRONT AND SIDES OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE TO RECONSTRUCT THE, THE, THE, THE PORCH, THE COVERED PORCH AREA, UH, RECONSTRUCT THE, THE STONE, UH, SECTION OF WALL THAT WAS REMOVED AND THE INSTALLATION OF, UH, HEADS AND FOLLOWING THE, UH, GUIDE OF THE, UH, EXISTING WINDOW ON SITE AND PROPER INSTALLATION OF, OF, UH, FLASHING AT ALL THE WINDOWS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. A SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSIONS? THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? AYE, GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. ZU. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. CARPENTER GROUP? AYE. C. AYE. C AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THIS IS ITEM 11. THANKS FOLKS, I APPRECIATE [11. 21-4077 Address/Description: 223 S ALAMO ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-254 Landmark Name: Hilton Palacio de Rio Hotel RIO District: RIO-3 Applicant: Andrew Douglas/Douglas Architects Request: Landscaping, ADA modifications, patio modifications, stone wall removal and modifications, storefront modifications City Council Dist.: 1] IT. THANK YOU, SIR. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE WITH 11? I AM. GO AHEAD. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21, 23 SOUTH ALAMO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING PATIO TRAIL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS WITHIN THE EXISTING PATIO SPACE. THREE, EXTEND THE EXISTING PATIO AT THE RIVER LEVEL WITH THE NORTH AND REMOVE A SECTION OF STONE WALL WITHIN THE PATIO SPACE. NOR, NOR THAN DISTINCTION OF THE PATIO. WILL ALSO REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF THE WALL PER, FROM THE STONE WALL THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE RIVER, OR MODIFY THE EXISTING STOREFRONT SYSTEM AT THE RIVER LEVEL TO FEATURE NEW AND WATER ENTRANCES. FIVE TO INSTALL NEW WALLS AT THE RIVER LEVEL. RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER ONE, STAFF DOES NOT. TWO, THE PATIO TRAIL TO LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS. THE PATIO, [01:30:02] A STIPULATION THAT THE EXISTING STONE WALL PARALLEL RIB WALK PAST THE RESERVE BASED ON BINDING D THREE STAFF ARGUMENT'S. APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE EXTENSION OF THE PATIO AS AS YOUR REMOVAL MODIFICATIONS, TWO STONEWALL THAT ARE PERPENDICULAR. FOUR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR STOREFRONT SYSTEM MODIFICATIONS THAT SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION WALL THAT SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING G. HAS THE APPLICANT INJURED DOUGLAS ON THE LINE NOW? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS WITH DOUGLAS ARCHITECTS AS WELL. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD. WE MET WITH COMMISSION MIDDLE LAST WEEK AND DID A SORT OF A PRELIMINARY REVIEW, KIND OF SCOPE OF WORK AND SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS WE'RE PROPOSING IF WE MOVE TO THE PRESENTATION ON PAGE. SO STARTING WITH, UH, SOME OF THESE EXISTING PHOTOGRAPHS OF SCOPE WATER, UH, SEATING YOU'RE SEEING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THIS IMAGE AND MOVED DOWN TO THE CYPRESS TREE, THE EXISTING CYPRESS TREE ON THE SITE. THE FEEDING IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THAT WE EXTEND THESE EXISTING CARROT IN REMOVAL OF THAT WALL'S PERPENDICULAR TO THE, UH, TO THE RIVER WALK. UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING THE REMOVAL OF THE WALL THAT PARALLEL THE RIGHT, THE LENGTH OF THE RIVER WALK THAT ABUTS OUR PROPERTY. WE CANNOT FLIP THROUGH A FEW OF THESE EXISTING PHOTOS. YOU'LL SEE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, OR CONTEXTUALLY APPROPRIATE TO THE HISTORIC HILTON HOTEL. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, UH, EXISTING TART ABOUT SIX INCHES LOWER THAN THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE HOTEL THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE RAISE THE FLOOR LEVEL OF THAT TERRACE TO MEET THAT GRADE AND PROVIDE A BETTER INDOOR OUTDOOR WITHOUT ANY SORT OF STEP OR TRIPPING HAZARD. UM, WE MOVE ON TO, UH, IMAGE 26. YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE FULLNESS OF THE FIGHT. YOU'LL SEE THE ISTS AND THE CRATE MODELLE, UM, THAT WE ARE PROPOSED TO, TO KEEP AND, AND WORK WITH IN OUR DESIGN, UM, INCLUDING ADDING A PERMEABLE DECKING OVER THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THE CRATE MYRTLE TREE THERE AND NOT INTERFERING AT ALL THE PIPE. UM, 27, WE'LL SEE THE, UH, SCOPE OF WORK AND PLANS WHERE WE CAN SEE THE EXISTING, UH, RIVER WALK TERRACE, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE NORTH ON 28. YOU'LL SEE A WE'VE DONE FOR THE OUTDOOR TERRA IN WHERE WE'VE RELOCATED THE LANDING, UM, TO THE NORTH ONE BAY TO BETTER LINE WITH THE, THE WINE BAR ON THE INTERIOR WOULD ALSO INCLUDE TO THE RIGHT REGRADING THE RAMP, MEET OUR NEW LANDING HEIGHT, CONCEPTUAL IMAGES, ITALIAN WINE BAR. UM, YOU'LL SEE A TRUCK IMAGE ON THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE BOTTOM. YOU'LL SEE SORT OF A PRECEDENT FOR THE TRUCK THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. WE MOVE ON TO, UH, 31. YOU'LL SEE THIS IS THE EXTENSION OF THE TERRA. THAT'S TWO BAY FURTHEST NORTH. IF WE GO ONTO 32, KIND OF ENCOMPASSES [01:35:01] OUR ENTIRE SCOPE OF WORK. SO WE'RE PROPOSING, PROPOSING TO REMOVE WALL AND REPLACE IT WITH A PLANTING BED AND A NEW TRANSPARENT HILTON MODIFICATIONS REGRADING. AFTER MEASURING WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW TERRA, WE ANTICIPATE THAT FIVE FEET ON EITHER SIDE. WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE EXISTING BY THE PICTURE, WHERE WE HAVE A VERY NARROW GAP BETWEEN ELEVATOR FOR EMPLOYEE. YEAH. UM, AND, UH, 33 SHOWS, UM, PAGE 33 SHOWS THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT IT. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? UH, YES. I BELIEVE THERE IS A LETTER FROM THE THIS FROM, WE DO NO, ZERO HONOR. WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS VITALLY NEEDED ASSESSABILITY ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLICATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS CORRECT. YES, SIR. I CAN GIVE A BRIEF STAFF REPORT. MAYBE IT'LL HELP OUR CONVERSATION HERE. YES, SIR. I, I BELIEVE IN THE D R C, UH, THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO AREAS THAT WE SPENT MOST OF THE TIME, UH, DISCUSSING. UM, ONE OF THEM WAS THE DEGREE OF MODIFICATION THAT WAS REQUIRED TO MEET ACCESSIBILITY. UH, IN THE D R C, WE ASKED FOR, UH, KIND OF MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON THE AREA IN THE RIVERWALK THAT NEEDED MODIFICATION FOR IT TO DEAL WITH THE ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE. AND THE MEETING, IT WAS THOUGHT THAT THAT COULD BE AS MUCH AS SEVEN INCHES, UH, THREE INCHES AND FIVE FEET ON EITHER SIDE DOES, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT WOULD, WOULD BE CAUSED FOR SIGNIFICANT CONCERN, WAS JUST, WASN'T CLEARLY DEFINED IN THE D R C MEETING. AND SECOND IS REALLY THE, UH, THE ISSUE OF THE WALL THAT YOU, AT THE STONE WALL THAT'S, UH, RUNNING A PARALLEL ALONG THE SIDEWALK IN THIS IMAGE IS LOCATED WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT NARROW STRIP OF PLANTINGS. UM, IT WASN'T A CONCLUSION ABOUT THE STONEWALL, BUT THERE'S SOME HESITATION ABOUT ITS, UH, REMOVAL AND SOME CONCURRENCE WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS. MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANYTHING I, I MISSED? I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UH, THE BULK OF THE D R C DISCUSSION. IT WAS THE, THE STONEWALL AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF MODIFICATIONS TO THE, UH, RIVERWALK TO ACCOMMODATE THE RAISED TERRACE LEVEL. AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, WE DIDN'T, THE, THE D R C DID NOT OBJECT TO SOME OF THE STONEWALL UH, REMOVAL. THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE PERPENDICULAR TO THE SIDEWALK, WE DIDN'T HAVE GREAT CONCERN WITH IT WAS THE ONE THAT'S PARALLEL WIDTH, AND IT VARIES BETWEEN ONE FOOT AND HEIGHT AND MAYBE 18 INCHES IN HEIGHT. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT THERE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A JOG. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE ENTRANCE TO, AND, AND THE APPLICANT CAN CONFIRM THAT THE ENTRANCE INTO THIS PATIO WAS BEING, UH, SHIFTED, UH, BY ONE BAY OVER AND MIGHT NOT BE IN EXACTLY THIS POSITION. SO I THINK THAT WAS ALSO PART OF THE RATIONALE FOR MODIFYING THE WALL. THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I WAS ALSO INVOLVED IN THE D R C. UM, ONE OF THE, UH, OR, OR I THINK, I THINK A, A CENTRAL CONVERSATION WAS ALSO HOW, UH, THE HILTON, PALACIO DERIO IS, UM, REALLY, UM, THE DEFINING POINT OF [01:40:01] THIS ASPECT OF THE RIVER WALK. AND ALSO, UM, PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS HOW, UH, TO, TO, TO, TO A GOOD EXTENT WHAT'S BEEN THERE THAT HAS BEEN QUITE OUT OF CONTEXT. UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET CRITICAL ABOUT THE AESTHETIC OF THAT ENVIRONMENT, THAT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, UH, I THINK WE DISCUSSED, IS SOMEWHAT MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE DESIGN OF THE, UM, OF RIO. IF THERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE THERE, STAFF COULD GO TO THE IMAGE. IT'S LIKE A ANIMATION OF, OF A, OR A RENDERING OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE LOOKING AT IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE. BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING THIS WAY OR GOING THE OTHER WAY, BUT, UM, IT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE, THE WHITE, UH, YEAH. AND THERE'S ANOTHER CHUCK THERE THAT'S LOOKING UP AT IT, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WHAT, WHAT THEY SEEM TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, TO ACHIEVE IS, UH, KIND OF A, OF, UM, RESTATING THE RHYTHM THAT, THAT, UH, THAT THAT ARCHITECTURE HELPS TO SET UP. THAT SOMEHOW IT'S NEVER REALLY FIT. AND THIS SEEMS TO BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH, WITH THAT, WITH THAT PERIOD MODERN PERIOD. UH, IT'S CLEANER, IT'S SMOOTHER. UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THE PLANTING WOULD BECOME KIND OF A TRIP HAZARD. IT'S NOT THE WORD THAT WAS USED, BUT I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE WE WERE HEADED. UM, BUT THAT, BUT THAT THIS, THAT, THAT THIS DOES, UM, UM, SEEM TO, TO BE A, A DESIGN IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF. NOW, PERSONALLY, I'D MADE THE, THE, UH, COMMENT TO THE, UH, TO THE, AT THE D R C THAT, UM, UH, IT IS JUST KIND OF REITERATING THAT WHATEVER WE KNOW ABOUT THIS, THIS AREA OF THE RIVERWALK IS HEAVILY, UM, A RESULT OF THE HEMISPHERE, UH, THE PAL RIO PERIOD, UH, CONSTRUCTION. SO TO A LARGE EXTENT, WE KIND OF KNOW THAT AREA AS DEFINED BY THE HOTEL. IT SEEMS THAT THEY'VE GONE A LITTLE STEP FURTHER, AND IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS EVEN MORE IN KEEPING. SO IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, UH, IN MY OPINION. UH, SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT WASN'T JUST, JUST COMPLETELY JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, CRI CRITICISMS TO WHAT'S PRESENTED, BUT ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, A COMMENTARY ABOUT, UH, REALLY THEM ADDRESSING SOME THINGS THAT SEEMED THAT HISTORICALLY DIDN'T, DIDN'T FIT TO BEGIN WITH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. UM, I CONCUR WITH THE, UH, THE, UH, STATEMENT THAT WAS JUST MADE AS FAR AS I, I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED, UH, IS, IS STYLISTICALLY MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF, OF THE HILTON AND, UM, AN IMPORTANT ERA IN SAN ANTONIO'S, UH, DEVELOPMENT. I, I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S PRETTY MUCH A UNIVERSAL CONCURRENCE ON THAT STAFF. UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ALL SEEM TO BE IN AGREEMENT FOR ITEMS, UH, TWO THROUGH FIVE. SO IF WE CAN FOCUS BACK ON THE, ON THE WALL FOR A SECOND. I KNOW THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL, UH, APPROVAL, UH, BUT I DO HAVE SOME TECHNICAL CONCERNS ABOUT THAT SORT OF GRADE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE SLOPING SECTION OF THE, OF THE WALK AND THEN THE, THE PATIO BEING LOWER AND JUST IF, IF THERE'S GONNA BE AREA DRAINS OR SOME KIND OF, UM, UH, CURB EDGING OR SOMETHING CONCEALED WITHIN THE PLANTING, UH, BECAUSE THIS SEEMS LIKE THIS MIGHT BE, UH, ACTUALLY CAUSING A, A SITUATION WHERE THAT LOWER TERRACE COULD GET FLOODED BY JUST, UH, BY, UH, SHEET FLOOD, BY, UH, SHEET FLOW OF, OF RAIN DOWN THAT KIND OF SLOPING PORTION OF THE, UH, OF THE RIVERWALK. I WONDER IF THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REPRESENTATIVE COULD JUST KIND OF COMMENT TO THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THIS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT THIS IS JUST FOR CONCEPTUAL. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ANTICIPATED, INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN. UH, YES. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THIS IS, UH, ANDREW DOUGLAS. UM, I WOULD, I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UH, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, WE HAVEN'T TOTALLY THOUGHT THAT THROUGH, BUT THE GENERAL THINKING WORK WITH OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IS THAT WE'D INTRODUCE A, A STEPPING RETAINING WALL, UH, THAT WOULD RAISE UP WITH THE ELEVATION CHANGE OF THE RAMP, UH, AND MAINTAIN SOMEWHAT OF A LEVEL PLANTER ALL THE WAY ALONG THAT EDGE. UH, SO FROM THE INTERIOR SIDE, WE WOULD HAVE A LOWER CONCRETE OR STONE OR MASONRY TYPE WALL, UH, THAT WOULD, UH, DISTURB TO RETAIN THAT, THAT, UH, THAT PLANNING BED, UH, THE TERRACE ITSELF, UH, INTERNALLY WE WOULD NEED TO, WE'RE GONNA BE REPORTING THAT TO ELEVATE IT, SO WE'D HAVE TO DESIGN IT TO SHEEP FLOW AND DRAIN IN THIS DIRECTION TOWARDS THE, THE CURRENT ENTRY. NOW, WE ARE PLANNING TO MOVE THE ENTRY OVER ONE BASE THAT HELPS WITH THAT DISTANCE, BUT WE BE SHEEP FLOWING THE WATER OUT, UH, OUT TO THE WALKING AND OUT TO THE RIVER, UH, BE OUR, OUR INTENT. [01:45:01] THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. DO WE KNOW THE PROVENANCE OF, OF THIS SECTION, OF, OF THE, THE WALL HERE? I MEAN, IT'S NOT HISTORIC TO HUG HAGMAN'S PERIOD, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A COMMENT IN THE FINDINGS THAT IT'S SORT OF IN THE SPIRIT OF, BUT DO WE KNOW WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED? STAFF DOESN'T, UH, STAFF LOOKED AT THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE AT LEAST WHAT THE ORIGINAL HAGMAN DESIGN PROPOSED. UH, THIS WALL IS NOT NOTED THERE. THERE IS A WALL GENERALLY IN THIS LOCATION, BUT THE WALL THAT EXISTS IS NOT THAT WALL. UM, HOWEVER, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODES DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, APPLICATIONS SUCH AS THIS WALL TO CREATE A SEPARATION BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SPACES. UH, SO THE COMMENT FROM STAFF IN REGARDS TO THIS WALL BEING APPROPRIATE IN THE SPIRIT OF THE HUSBANDMAN DESIGN AND WHAT THE U D C RECOMMENDS HOLDS BASED ON ON THAT FACT. THANK YOU, SIR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER LAO? YES, SIR. UH, I ALSO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING WALL PARALLEL TO THE RIVERWALK, BECAUSE THAT WALL PROVIDES PROTECTION FOR THE ADJACENT PLANTING AREA. IF YOU REMOVE THAT WALL AND HAVE A PLANTING AREA THAT'S, UH, FLUSH OR BELOW THE, UH, RIVERWALK, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE WALKING ALONG AND ACCIDENTALLY STEPPING IN THERE, OR DURING CROWDED TIMES TRAMPLING PLANTINGS IN THAT AREA. THAT'S JUST INEVITABLE. WE SEE IT THROUGHOUT THE RIVER WALK. SO I THINK A RETAINING THAT, UH, EXISTING, UH, WALL ALONG THE, UM, INNER EDGE OF THE RIVERWALK IS, UH, IMPORTANT. YES, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE D R C, UH, JUST HOW THE, THE PUBLIC AND THE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S CROWDS, HOW THAT, UM, EDGE OF THE WALK WOULD BE IMPACTED. COMMISSIONER LFO, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT IS, WAS PRIMARILY THE, THIS, THE PLACE WHERE IN THE D R C CONVERSATION, UM, MOVED AROUND QUITE A BIT. UH, ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT PHOTOGRAPH STAFF TO THE, THE SAME IMAGE THAT YOU SHOWED A SECOND AGO THAT'S LOOKING UP AT THAT, AT THAT, UH, LIKE AS YOU WALKED BY, UH, SLIDES, UH, YES. THAT ONE, THAT POSITIVELY WAS SUGGESTED WAS POSSIBLY THAT, THAT THAT RHYTHM THAT'S CREATED WITH A WHITE, UM, UM, UH, LOW COLUMNS THAT, THAT THEY GET PULLED OUT SO AS TO CREATE A BARRIER, RIGHT? THAT, THAT A PERSON COULDN'T WALK INTO ONE. NOW THEY COULD SIDESTEP INTO ONE, BUT VERY UNLIKELY, AS CLOSE AS THEY ARE. UH, THE, IT WAS SUGGESTED, IT, IT DIDN'T, IT OBVIOUSLY ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WITH RESPECT TO THIS IMAGE OR THE POSSIBILITY THAT THAT MIGHT RESOLVE, UH, THAT TRAFFIC, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ISSUE. BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE ONE STICKING POINT THAT WE, WE WENT AROUND IN CIRCLES WITH OVER THERE ON THE D R C. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, THIS IS ANDREW AGAIN. I COMMISSIONER FLU. I, I, I WOULD ECHO YOUR CONCERN, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DESIGN ANYTHING THAT THAT'S A TRIP HAZARD OR MIGHT CAUSE YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TO FALL. SO, UH, WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION THAT ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO, UH, WORKING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ITEM, AND I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. I THINK WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH THE, THE, THE IDEA OF MAKING THIS, UH, REFLECT MORE THE HILTON DEL RIO AND THE HISTORY OF THE HOTEL. UH, AS COMMISSIONER VAGAS, UH, MENTIONED, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF OUR MAJOR OBJECTIVES. UH, WE ALSO, IN THE HAGMAN'S SPIRIT, THE IDEA OF OPENNESS BETWEEN THE RETAIL AND THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY CORRIDOR OF THE, OF THE, OF THE WALK ITSELF. WE'RE TRYING TO EMULATE MORE OF THAT AND, AND REALLY KIND OF BRING THE WALL DOWN AND MAKE IT MORE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT BETWEEN THOSE ENVIRONMENTS, UH, FOR A MORE PLEASANT EXPERIENCE. UM, BUT WE, WE WE'RE WILLING, OR WE'RE OPEN TO, TO MORE OPTIONS BASED ON THE, UH, THE, UH, COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TODAY AND COME BACK TO COMMISSIONERS WITH SOME, SOME OTHER THOUGHTS ON HOW WE MIGHT ADDRESS THESE ISSUES OF CONCERN. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER, UH, CON CONVERSATION, I WOULD, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH FIVE AND, UH, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, CONTINUE TO [01:50:01] DEVELOP, UH, ITEM ONE, UH, SO OPTIONS, UH, PERHAPS FOR A DISCUSSION IN A FUTURE D R C OF THEIR CHOOSING. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION ROLL CALLS, PLEASE. DID YOU, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? WELL, I, I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO SECOND IT AND I CLICKED IT WAS ON ALREADY, AND I CLICKED IT OFF TO TALK, AND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T MAKE THE SECOND COMMISSION. IT HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. FISH. AYE. EBBS. AYE. QUEZ? AYE. ROON. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUBE, THAT AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ADAM 12, YOU, YOU THERE? SEE, YOU'RE UNMUTED, BUT WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. WE, ARE YOU THERE? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 12, [12. 21-4143 Address/Description: 2119 N IH 35 HDRC Case No.: 2021-218 Historic District Name: Government Hill Applicant: Pedro Ramos/PR Custom Signs Request: Signage, site elements City Council Dist.: 2] CASE NUMBER 20 21 2 18 AT 2119 NORTH INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL, TWO ROOFTOP SIGNS, A BLADE SIGN, AND MISCELLANEOUS WINDOW DECALS AND BANNERS. TWO, CONSTRUCT A FREESTANDING WOOD STAGE IN THE FRONT WINDOW, BAY THREE, EXPAND THE FRONT COVERED PORCH WITH NEW SHED ROOFING COLUMN STEPS AND ATTACHED TO WOOD BOX. AND FOUR, INSTALL OUTDOOR PATIO DINING AREA, INCLUDING FURNITURE, ARTIFICIAL TURF, AND GRAVEL AREAS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE SIGNAGE AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH F REGARDING TOTAL SIGNAGE FOOTAGE, SQUARE FOOTAGE, MATERIAL ILLUMINATION, AND PROHIBITED SIGN TYPE, SUCH AS THE NEW, NEW ROOF MOUNTED SIGNS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE SIGNAGE PLAN IS REDUCED AND REVISED PER THE GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE BEFORE WE SUBMISSION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO. STAGE CONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE STAGE IS RELOCATED TO AN AREA THAT DOES NOT OBSCURE ANY PRIMARY HISTORIC FEATURES, SUCH AS A REAR YARD OR REDUCED IN SIZE IN A DIFFERENT FRONT YARD CORNER. THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH ANY NOISE OR USE RESTRICTIONS OR ANY OTHER RELATED BUILDING CODE. PRO DESIGNATED ZONING STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE PORCH MODIFICATION. THE PORCH SHOULD BE RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL SIZE CONFIGURATION MATERIAL BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE. AND FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. ITEM FOUR, OUTDOOR PATIO INSTALLATION WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL FURNITURE FEATURES SIMPLE DESIGNS, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS, AND EXCLUDE BRANDING OR SIGNAGE. AND THIS CASE IS RETURNING TO US FROM A D R C SITE VISIT, WHICH I'LL READ RIGHT NOW, UH, ON MAY 26TH, 2021. THE D R C NOTED FOLLOWING SIGNAGE SHOULD BE GREATLY REDUCED, BUT THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF KEEPING ONE OF TWO ROOFTOP SIGNS BASED ON IMMEDIATE CONTEXT. THE STAGE MUST BE GREATLY REDUCED IN HEIGHT AND SET AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY LINES AND FRONT FACADE FEATURES, AND THE PORCH MAY POTENTIALLY BE KEPT IN SUPPORTED WITH THE CORRECTIONS OF RAILING COLUMNS AND SKIRTING. AND, UH, I HAVE HECTOR THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND, AND APPLICANT ON THE LINE. UH, HECTOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, AND EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION? UH, DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR MAKING TIME FOR, FOR ME, UM, FROM THESE TWO LAST HEARINGS, YOU KNOW, UH, LOGGING IN, UM, I HAD NO IDEA THE, THE PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS COME ACROSS. UM, AND I THINK THE IMPROVEMENT TO THE CITY IS IMPORTANT. AS YOU KNOW, SAN ANTONIO'S GREW UP GROWING AND, AND, AND A BEAUTIFUL CITY IN, IN MY OPINION. UH, AND I HAD NO IDEA WHAT Y'ALL DO, WHAT Y'ALL DID TO KEEP, UH, THE GROWTH OF IT, UH, GOING. SO I THANK YOU, UM, IN ADVANCE FOR THAT. UH, AS FAR AS THE SIGN GOES, YOU KNOW, THE GUYS CAME OUT TO DO A WALKTHROUGH AND THEY SUGGESTED, UH, REDUCING, REMOVING ONE SIGN, UM, AND ANGLING ANOTHER. MY CONCERN IS THAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK, UH, ODD TWO. UM, I, I, I WENT BACK TO MY SIGN GUY BECAUSE I'M STILL VERY, UH, UPSET AT THE FACT THAT HE, UH, INSTALLED THE SIGNS, UM, AND THAT WE ARE HERE, UH, GOING OVER THIS. BUT ONE THING THAT HE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION WAS THAT, UM, WHEN HE PULLED THE PERMIT WITH D S D, THERE WAS NO COMMUNICATION AS HE WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST ONES TO THIS, TO [01:55:01] THE ONLINE APPLICATION AND ONLINE PERMITTING. UH, THE PERMIT THAT HE PULLED NEVER GOT FLAGGED OR NEVER WAS, UH, UM, YEAH, THE PERMIT THAT HE PULLED THAT NEVER GOT FLAGGED OR ENDEAVOR, UH, TOLD HIM TO AND NEEDED HISTORIC APPROVAL. UH, HE SPOKE TO D S D AND HE APPARENTLY, THEY APPARENT THEY GAVE HIM THE GREEN LIGHT TO GO, BUT NONETHELESS, THIS SIGN ITSELF IS, UH, IS, IS IN THREE PARTS. IF YOU SEE THERE'S AN 88, UH, THERE'S A , AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL, UM, BOX THAT SAYS FOOD, DRINKS, SPORTS, AND, AND MUSIC. THE 88 IS 6.2 SQUARE FEET. ILLA IS 13 SQUARE FEET, AND THE FOOD DRINK SPORTS AND MUSIC IS NINE SQUARE FEET TO A TOTAL OF 28.2. UM, CONSIDERING THE TWO SIGNS ARE, ARE SQUARED AND ANGLED, UH, I THINK THEY'RE UNIFORMED. I THINK IT, IT ALLOWS US TO CAPTURE THE TRAFFIC. BEING THAT WE ARE ON I 35, UH, IT ALLOWS ME TO CAPTURE THE TRAFFIC TRAVELING BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH, UH, BEING THAT WE ARE ON THE ACCESS ROAD. UM, YOU KNOW, I I JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, I WALKED OVER TO THE VALERO, WHICH JUST HAPPENS TO BE AT THE CORNER. UH, AND I NOTICED THAT, YOU KNOW, VALERO HAS SEVEN SIGNS TO ADVERTISE VALERO WITH, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW HERE AT VALERO, BUT YET THEY ADVERTISE SEVEN TIMES. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BRAND RECOGNITION, BRAND AWARENESS, AND VALERO'S COMPETING WITH FOUR OTHER GAS STATIONS. UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I UNDERSTAND THAT I'M NOT VALERO, BUT I FEEL THAT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARKET LIKE THEY DO. SINCE THEY ARE A NATIONAL, UH, A NATIONAL FRANCHISE. THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE BEST MARKETING STRATEGIES, UH, THE BEST BRAND RECOGNITION. UM, THEY ALSO HAPPEN TO HAVE DOUBLE-SIDED SIGNS AS WELL AS SONIC AND THE BEST WESTERN, AS WE MENTIONED LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THESE SIGNS ARE 80 FOOT, 80 PLUS SQUARE FEET, UH, DUAL DOUBLE SIGNS. AND ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THE SAME AUDIENCE THAT I, I'M HOPING TO CAPTURE, UM, BOTH SIGNS COMBINED, I THINK IT PUTS US OVER SIX SQUARE FEET. I THINK THAT SIX SQUARE FEET IS NOT GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK, UH, THIS, BUT I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE CAN REDUCE SIX SQUARE FEET. UM, MOVING ON TO THE, TO THE STAGE, UH, WE AGREE THAT WE WOULD, UH, WE CAN LOWER THE STAGE FROM THE THREE FEET TO TWO FEET. UM, AS FAR AS THE COVERED TOP PART, YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY, UH, INTRIGUED AS, AS, AS THE VELOCITY VIDEO IS TRYING TO UPDATE AND MODERN, UH, AND BRING, UM, IMPROVEMENT AS WELL AS WE ARE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS SIGNS GOES, YOU KNOW, I THINK LAST TIME THERE WAS SOME PICTURES ATTACHED TO WHERE, UH, THERE'S A TON OF POLITICAL SIGNS. THEY DON'T OFFEND ME PERSONALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT, IF, IF IT'S ALLOWED OR NOT, THAT THE MEANING OF THESE SIGNS ARE SOMETIMES IN THE FORM OF FOUR, FOUR BY EIGHT SHEETS AND THEY BRING NO IMPROVEMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT OUR SIGNS ARE, ARE CLEAN. UM, AND WHEN IT COMES TO ILLUMINATION, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I, I, I, I THINK SONIC ITSELF ILLUMINATES MORE THAN, THAN MY TWO SIGNS. UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE STAGE, WE CAN LOWER IT TO THE TWO. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A TREE, UH, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. WE CAN CUT THE BACK PART AND LEAVE THE OFFSET THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING. UM, AT, AT THIS POINT, TO MOVE IT, IT WOULD BE A COSTLY EXPENSE BECAUSE OF THE TURF. WE WOULD NEED THEN NEED TO, UM, UH, REMOVE ALL THIS. UH, I, I, I'D BE WILLING TO REMOVE, UM, THE BACK PART, SO IT'S NOT TO THE, TO THE FENCE. UH, THERE IS A TOP PART. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PICTURE ON IT. UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN REMOVE THE LATTICE AND, AND DO SOME OF THE, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, RIO IS, IS, IS LOOKING TO DO FOR SHADE. UM, THE RAILINGS, I THINK WE HAVE, UM, RAILINGS ON THE PORCH. UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? YEAH, ON THE STAGE WE CUT OUT THE BACK, UH, PART TO LEAVE THE SETBACK. UM, AS FAR AS OBSTRUCTING, I DON'T THINK THAT IT OBSTRUCTS ANYTHING. UH, I DON'T THINK IT, AS YOU CAN SEE AGAIN IN THIS PICTURE, THERE IS, UH, NOTHING, UH, NOTHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS TEND TO SOLID WALL, UH, ISN'T BLOCKING. AND IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME THING THEY, THE TREES AND EVERYTHING IN THAT WALKWAY. BUT I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, UH, [02:00:01] AGAIN, BEING, BEING ON THE SIZE OF PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS, UH, TAKE ON. I LIKE, I, I HOPE I'M NOT WASTING YOU GUYS. FINE. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER, AND, UM, YOU'RE NOT WASTING OUR TIME. THIS, YOUR PROJECT IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS ANY OTHER PROJECT, SO DON'T FEEL, UM, THAT YOU'RE WASTING OUR TIME. UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES, WE HAVE A COUPLE. UM, LAUREN, GO AHEAD AND GET THAT VOICEMAIL READY. UM, THE FIRST IS FROM PATTI ZIONS, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY. WHILE WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO SEE THE NEW BUSINESS IN THIS HISTORIC HOME, WE CONCUR WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE REMOVAL OF NONCONFORMING SIGNAGE AND THE FRONT PORCH BE RESTORED, AND AT THIS STAGE RELOCATED AS NON OBSCURE THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS STRUCTURE. AND WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL AS WELL. MY NAME IS MARLENE HAWKINS. I LIVE AT 6 0 1 EAST CARSON GOVERNMENT HILL CO-PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. I'M SPEAKING ON CASE 21 41 43 AT PAN AM ACCESS ROAD AND ROGER STREET. I SPOKE ON THIS CASE WHEN IT WAS UP BEFORE YOU, UH, PREVIOUSLY I HAVE SPENT TIME LOOKING AT THE SITE, AND I, AND MY NEIGHBORS ARE MORE CONCERNED. I HAVE, I'M DISAPPOINTED IN SEEING THAT WHAT WAS IS BEING REQUESTED HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE WITHOUT PERMISSION. THE SIGNS ARE UP ON THE ROOF, THE STAGE IS BUILT AND THE PATIO IS FURNISHED. THE ROOF SIGNS, UM, ARE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE O H P GUIDELINES AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. THE, IF YOU ALLOW THEM, IN THIS CASE, EVEN ONE MR. FISH, IT WILL SET A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE BUSINESSES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS TO ASK FOR THE SAME THING. NO SIGNAGE THAT IS NOT IN O H P GUIDE, UH, HISTORIC GUIDELINES. THE PICTURE SHOW, UH, THAT ARE SHOWN SHOW THE CORRECT PLACE ON BUSINESSES. THEY'RE PUT ON THE SIDES OF BUSINESSES. SO NO ROOFTOP SIGNS, PLEASE, OR OTHER SIGNS THAT ARE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. THE OUTDOOR STAGE IS A PROBLEM. UM, IT'S ABOUT 15, 16 FEET FROM A NEARBY HOME. AND SOUND TRAVEL FROM ON THE OUTSIDE TRAVELS LONG DISTANCES AND CAN BE, UH, AND CAN BE A VERY NEGATIVE THING FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE, THE STAGE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. OUTDOOR STAGE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT ANY PLACE ON THE, ON THE PREMISES. THE GUIDELINES SAY, HAVE THE DECIBELS THAT ARE ALLOWED AND THEY'RE VERY LOW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND ALSO THAT SAME STATEMENT I MADE BEFORE THAT, ANYTHING THAT LEAVES THE PREMATURE OF THE BUSINESS, THAT IS A PROBLEM. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I FEEL LIKE I'M DOING A LOT OF REPORTS TODAY. UM, AND I THANK YOU FOR A BRIEF REPORT OF THE SITE VISIT. UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE. AND FIRST I WANNA START WITH ITEMS THREE AND FOUR THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THE D R C SITE VISIT. UH, ITEM THREE IS THE PORCH MODIFICATION, AND ITEM FOUR IS THE, UH, PATIO INSTALLATION, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, THE PATIO FURNITURE WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT IT EXCLUDE BRANDING AND SIGNAGE, UH, BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS PORCH EXTENSIONS ON THE WRAPAROUND PORCH AND THE LIMITED VISIBILITY OF THE ORIGINAL PORCH, THE REVERSIBILITY OF THE MODIFICATION TO THE FRONT PORCH, THERE WAS GENERALLY SUPPORT, UH, IN THE D R C FOR, UH, ALLOWING THE PORCH MODIFICATION TO REMAIN. UH, IF SOME PIECES WERE CORRECTED, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE COLUMNS, UH, THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE IMAGE WAS ACTUALLY INSTALLED UPSIDE DOWN. THE APPLICANT, UH, UH, INFORMED US THAT THOSE COS WERE FOUND ON SITE AND PUT BACK INTO USE. THEY APPEAR TO BE CONNECTED TO THE PROPERTIES. SO WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS, UH, AN APPROPRIATE, UH, USE OF THOSE. UM, IN TERMS OF THE STAGE, THE, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES WITH THIS STAGE THAT ARE, I WOULD SAY THE, WELL, THERE ARE THREE ISSUES WITH THIS STAGE. I CAN KIND OF BREAK DOWN. THERE IS THE PLATFORM ITSELF. UH, [02:05:01] THE PLATFORM ITSELF, UH, GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, UH, FENCE AS INDICATED BY THE APPLICANT, AND VERY MUCH INSIDE ANY KIND OF, UH, SETBACK THAT WOULD OTHER BY OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED. IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S A FIVE FOOT SETBACK, UH, BETWEEN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN THE HOUSE, AND WE THOUGHT THAT A SETBACK OF THAT NATURE WOULD, UH, BE NECESSARY. IT WAS ALSO ATTACHED TO, I MEAN, MAYBE NOT FASTENED TO, BUT ATTACHED TO, UH, THE F THE PRIMARY FACADE OF THE, THE STRUCTURE JUST BELOW THE BAY WINDOWS. AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, UH, A PLATFORM LIKE THAT SHOULD BE STEPPED OFF OF THE FRONT FACADE. AND IN TERMS OF THE CAN, THE SOLID WALL YOU SEE THERE TO THE WEST, WHICH I'M SURE PROVIDES A LOT OF SHADE, UH, IN THE EVENINGS IN THE CANOPY, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT STRUCTURE STRUCTURE WAS INAPPROPRIATE, AS GENERALLY WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT INTERFERE WITH THE VISIBILITY OF THE FACADE, ANYTHING ABOVE FOUR FEET OF THAT NATURE WOULD BE A PROBLEM. SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A PROBLEM. THE LAST ISSUE IS SIGNAGE. AND I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE SIGNAGE ISSUE IS PROBABLY, MAYBE THE ISSUE THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO DISCUSS, UH, THE MOST. UM, I BELIEVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT, UH, THAT STAFF HAD REPORTED WAS ABOUT 50% OVER THE ALLOWED, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE IN TERMS OF SCALE. UM, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT WAS ERRONEOUS OR THE APPLICANT IS REMOVING OTHER SIGNAGE FROM THAT CALCULATION THAT HE PLANS ON REMOVING. BUT I THINK CONTEXT MATTERS WHEN IT COMES TO SIGNS, AND THIS IS VERY MUCH ON THE EDGE OF A COMMERCIAL CONDITION. SO THERE WAS GENERAL SUPPORT OF, UH, SOME OF THE SIGNAGE AND ITS TYPE, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE CONTEXT, UH, NOT NECESSARILY AS A, AS A PRETEXT FOR, UH, OTHERS NOT ON AN AREA WITH THIS CONTEXT TO USE. AND IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION OF THE SIGNAGE AND THE GUIDELINES RECOMMENDING OF AGAINST ROOF MOUNTED SIGN SIGNAGE, UH, THERE REALLY IS VERY LIMITED AREA FOR ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE THAT COULD BE SEEN FROM THE STREET. THERE'S GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF CONDITIONALLY ALLOWING SOME ROOFTOP, UH, SIGNAGE TO REMAIN. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE PIECES. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU WERE ALSO AT THAT, UH, D R C. IS THERE SOMETHING, WELL, THERE'S ONE THING I LEFT OUT. I I DON'T THINK, UH, THE D R C FELT LIKE WE GOT TO A POSITION OF AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT. I THINK THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO RETAIN ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY. AND, UM, THAT WAS JUST SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE VISIT. MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANYTHING I LEFT OUT? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. THE, MAYBE WITH THE ONE THING, THERE'S A, A LITTLE 88, UM, BLADE SIGN THAT'S MOUNTED TO A PORCH COLUMN THAT IS PLUGGED INTO AN EXTENSION CORD. UH, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS OVERKILL AND NEEDED TO BE REMOVED, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER, UH, BANNERS AND, UH, ITEMS THAT WERE, UH, HANGING FROM THE PORCH THAT ADVERTISED, UH, PARTICULAR PRODUCTS THAT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAD AGREED TO, UH, REMOVING THAT, THOSE ITEMS. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I, I WAS ALSO ON THE D R C, I THINK, I THINK THE ONLY WE HAD, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SIGN THAT THE POTENTIAL TO REDUCE THE, THE DIMENSION OF THE SIGN THAT IT MIGHT BE ACCOMPLISHED BY REMOVING THE FOOD, DRINKS, SPORTS, AND MUSIC MIGHT POSSIBLY MAKE THE AESTHETIC ALL THE MORE BETTER. RIGHT. UH, ONE, ONE OBSERVATION THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO TO VOICE HERE IS THAT, UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU COME DOWN, GRAYSON OR, UH, UH, ANY OF THE STREETS THAT FEED INTO THIS, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE PARALLEL WITH 35, BUT YOU'RE CLOSER TO THE BROADWAY EDGE, I MEAN, YOU'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE POPPED UP. I CAN'T FIND ANY REAL, UM, UH, CONSISTENCY WITH RESPECT TO THAT HISTORIC ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S SIGNAGE AND IT'S, UH, MOVIE SCREENS AND THE PROXIMITY OF BAR TO BAR WITH RESPECT TO IT BEING AN ACTUAL INSIDE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS SITUATION IS THAT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COMMISSIONER FISH WAS SAYING, IT IS ON THE HIGHWAY AND, AND THERE ARE, UH, QUITE SUBSTANTIAL, UH, SIGNAGE ON, YOU KNOW, WELL, KIND OF WELL KNOWN BUSINESSES. SO IT, IT KIND OF DOES BEG THE QUESTION AS TO WHY IS THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS BUSINESS KIND OF, KIND OF SINGLED OUT. I'M NOT SAYING, UH, THAT, THAT NECESSARILY THAT, THAT IT IS BEING SINGLED OUT, BUT [02:10:01] THAT IT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ERROR OF IT BEING TREATED, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WITH A, WITH A DIFFERENT PREFERENCE. BUT, BUT MOST DEFINITELY, IF WE LOOK AT IT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IS, WHAT HAS, WHAT PRECEDES THIS BUSINESS IN THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT AS YOU GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHATEVER SITUATION EXISTS WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UH, ESTABLISHMENT IS WELL OFF THE CHARTS WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO BROADWAY. SO I, I JUST HOPE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT IN ALL FAIRNESS, UH, LISTENING TO THIS APPLICANT AND, AND HIS, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, CONCERN AND THEN LOOKING AT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT JUST, I JUST CAN'T SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PREFERENCES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM ONE AREA, ONE TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT THAT SEEMS TO BE OVER THE TOP AND THIS, THAT IS REALLY ON, UH, REALLY MAJOR HIGHWAY ARTERY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COREY. CAN YOU ADDRESS THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE APPLICANT TO THE, UH, ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT? UM, FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL ON OUR END, UM, A PERMIT WAS APPLIED FOR, UM, AND HOW THAT WORKS WITH THE SY PERMIT SYSTEM IS THAT WHEN IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR, OR EXCUSE ME, HISTORIC DISTRICT OR HISTORIC LANDMARK, IT IS FLAGGED FOR O P REVIEW. UM, AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. UM, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE SIGNS WERE INSTALLED WITHOUT THE PERMIT. SO THE REVIEW WAS NEVER COMPLETED. UH, C O A WAS NEVER COM APPLIED FOR SEPARATELY FROM THE PERMIT. AND SO, UM, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE IT STANDS. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. I HAVE A, A QUESTION FOR ANY OF THE, THE THREE OF, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO WENT TO THE SITE. UM, IS THERE ANY LIABILITY IN RELOCATING THOSE SIGNS ARE UP ON THE ROOF TO THAT, THAT BAND THAT WE SEE IN THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE BELOW THE, UH, THE GRILLED, UH, OPENINGS, BUT ABOVE THE SKIRTING? OR IS IT NOT REALLY, UH, EFFECTIVE, UH, VISUALLY FROM ANY, FROM ANY OF ANY OF THE ROADWAYS LEADING TO THIS? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF I COULD CHIME IN FIRST ON THAT, I REALLY THINK THAT WHAT, WHAT WE SEE AND SEE TO NOT WORK IS THE INCLUSION OF THAT PAINT LINE. THAT, THAT WHEN, THAT IF THE LETTERS WERE TO COME DOWN TO THAT ROOF, THEY WOULD LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEING DONE TO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TREATMENTS OF, OF TEXT ON THE HORIZONTAL LINE OF A ROOF. IT JUST GETS THROWN OFF BY THE PINK LINE. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, IN A BILINGUAL WAY, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO SAY, DRINK ABOVE IT, THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, YOUR JOB, RIGHT? AND REMEMBER IN SAN ANTONIO, MOST PEOPLE DON'T THINK THEY REALLY, THAT I VOICED TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT THERE, THE D R C I REALLY THINK THAT THEY'RE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THE, THE, THE TEXT AND THE ROOF LINE BECAUSE JUST IT TURNS WHAT COULD BE A REAL CONTEMPORARY WELCOMING INTO THE SIGN, JUST A SIGN, YOU KNOW, AND IT TAKES IT AWAY AT GIVE IT CAME DOWN LOWER. I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD HELP THE, UH, VISIBILITY. THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF PEOPLE ARE SITTING THERE, THAT SIGN IS RIGHT THERE IN PROXIMITY TO WALK UP FINGER. GREAT. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. AND, UM, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS THEMSELVES. UM, THE NATURE OF THE ENTERTAINMENT THAT YOU HAD OUT ON THE STAGE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LOUD AMPLIFIED MUSIC, OR YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE GUY WITH COFFEE CAN AND AN ACOUSTIC GUITAR? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE EXTENT OF WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING TAKING PLACE ON THAT STAGE? LOSE OUR APPLICANT. YEAH. WHO ARE YOU? I'M GONNA SEND THE REQUEST. GO. GO AHEAD, HATCHER. SORRY. OKAY, I'M SORRY, SIR. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, AS FAR AS THE ENTERTAINMENT, WE WANT HAVE SOMETHING OUTSIDE MOVED ALL EXTERNAL EXTERIOR SPEAKERS INTO THE COVERED PATIO, JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SOUND IS TRAVELING TO THE HIGHWAY AND, YOU KNOW, AND SHOULD BE TOLD, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SOUND IS GOING TO, UH, THE ACCESS ROAD AND TO THE HIGHWAY, WHICH IN MY OPINION, I THINK THE TRAIN THAT PASSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 35 IS LOUDER THAN WHAT, WHAT WE ARE. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT BEAM, THAT NOISE TRAVELS. I, I CAN'T STOP THAT, BUT YOU HAVE GOOD QUESTION. AS FAR AS ENTERTAINMENT, [02:15:01] WE HAVE, UH, VIDEO RAY SHEPHERD, WHICH IS A PIANO AND A, A SAXOPHONE. WE'VE HAD A, UH, MOTOWN, UH, SCENE GO OVER AND IT'S THREE GUYS IN THE MICROPHONE. WE HAVE, UH, GUITAR SOLOIST FROM TIME TO TIME, WE'LL SET UP A DJ OUT THERE. AGAIN, THE DJ NOT HAVE THE SPEAKERS ON THE STAGE. IT'S MORE OF JUST THE ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ASK ME WHAT'S THEIR IS. AND, AND SO, UH, CHAIRMAN, JUST TO FINISH UP MY 54 SECONDS HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, APPLICANT. I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR EXPLANATION ON THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE THAT THE CONTEXT HERE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE, ON THE HIGHWAY, UH, FORWARDS, YOU SOME LATITUDE IN CONSIDERING THE SIGNAGE. THINK THERE IS A GOOD SUGGESTION. THERE'S GONNA COMMISSION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THAT SIGN COULD BE PAIRED BACK WHERE THE, THE FOOD DRINKS AND SPORTS MUSIC CAN BE, UH, PUT IN ANOTHER LOCATION OR, OR REMOVED FROM THE, THE, UH, SIGNAGE COMPLETELY JUST TO SCALE THAT BACK AND MAYBE LOWER THE, LOWER THEIR HEIGHT A BIT FROM, FROM THE STEMS THAT ARE, ARE RAISING THEM ABOVE. UH, MY GREATEST CONCERN THOUGH, I THINK HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR CONFLICT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE STAGE AND ITS PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO IT. AND, UH, SO I REALLY ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITY THERE ON HOW TO, UH, PROVIDE, UH, LIVE, UH, MUSIC AT YOUR, AT YOUR FACILITY. SO I, I THINK I'M IN SUPPORT OF SOME KIND OF MODIFIED VERSION OF THE SIGN THAT'S THERE, UM, UH, BUT NOT, UH, SUPPORT OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE STAGE AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONFIGURED. AND THE OTHER ITEMS I AGREE WITH STAFF ON. THANK YOU. COULD YOU VENTURE A MOTION? ABSOLUTELY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER BRACE THAT'LL DO IT. UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL SIGNAGE, UM, WITH THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROOF SIGNS THAT REMOVE THE FOOD, DRINKS, ET CETERA, BAND BELOW THEM AND THE LOWERING OF THEIR HEIGHT, UH, TO AS CLOSE TO THE EXISTING ROOF LEVEL AS POSSIBLE, AND THE REMOVAL OF THE CIRCULAR MINI BLADE SIGN FROM THE STRUCTURE. AND I, UH, UH, FURTHER APPROVE, UH, THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PORCH AND TO THE OUTDOOR PATIO WITH A STIPULATION THAT ALL FURNITURE FEATURES SIMPLE DESIGNS, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS, AND THE EXCLUSION OF BRANDING OR SIGNAGE. I WANT SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. DO, DOES THE MOTION NEED TO INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT THE STAGE? I, I CAN CLARIFY THE MOTION TO ADD THAT THE STAGE DOES NOT RECEIVE APPROVED, AND I'LL BE A SECOND FOR THAT. THIS SECOND CONCUR, MR. CHAIR. THE, THE SECOND CONCURS, I, I JUST, UM, I WOULD LIKE, I I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MINUTES CAN REFLECT. IT NEEDS SOME SHORT MENTION OF THE, I GUESS IT'S APPLES TO APPLES, RIGHT? BUT THE, THE BARS ON JONES AND I MEAN ON GRAYSON AND ALL THAT, THERE'S JUST SUCH A CONTRADICTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, I SUPPORT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MOTION, BUT I, IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO DRIVE DOWN GRAYSON IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA, THAT IS A REAL RESIDENTIAL AREA, THERE ARE HOUSING, I MEAN IT'S STUCK WITH HOUSES THEN THOSE ARE NEW, THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL. AND THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY WITH THE APPLICATION OF WHATEVER RULES ARE BEING USED. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DIFFERENT CLIENTELES WHAT, WHAT THE OBJECTION IS ON THE SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UH, I DO SUPPORT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MOTION. MAYBE THE STAGE WILL GO A D C. COULD THAT BE PART OF, WELL, JUST A NOTE, UH, DENIAL OF THE STAGE DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE APPLICANT COMING BACK WITH A REVISED DESIGN THAT WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE COMMENTS CONSIDER BY THE COMMISSIONER AND THE, AND THE COMMISSIONER, [02:20:01] UH, THE, UH, CHAIRMAN HAS CAPTURED BY MY THINKING ON THAT EXACTLY, IS THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THESE KINDS OF VENUES TO HAVE LIVE MUSIC. I JUST THINK IT'S PROBLEMATIC WHERE IT'S BEEN PROPOSED WITH THAT STAGE LOCATION. UH, SO I, I VERY MUCH INVITE THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF AND COME BACK TO H D R C IF THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, TO FIND A SOLUTION TO ACCOMMODATE LIVE MUSIC. BUT I THINK GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE CONSTRUCTED THERE ON SITE RIGHT NOW, I COULD NOT GET APPROVAL FOR THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. AYE, AYE. QUEZ. AYE. C CARPENTER, CARPENTER AYE GROUP. AYE THAT AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, IF WE COULD QUICKLY PUT OUR CASE LIST ON THE SCREEN, WE ARE MOVING ONTO OUR NEW CASES. IT'S JUST A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS. ITEMS 13 5 0 6 EAST PARK, ADAM 14, 3 0 1 EAST ROSEWOOD, ADAM 17. IF YOU CAN MARK THAT HERE, FOUR 20 BROADWAY HAVE ALL BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM 15. [15. 21-4101 Address/Description: 106 PARKVIEW DR HDRC Case No.: 2021-239 Historic District Name: Mission RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: Matthew Longoria Request: Construction of a 1-story, single-family residential structure City Council Dist.: 3] YES, AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 16 OR EXCUSE ME AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H C R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 2 39. REQUESTING A ATE APPROPRIATE DISTRICT. THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT ELIMINATE THE PROPOSED ROOF PANELS THAT ARE SMOOTH AND 18 TO 21 HEIGHT PROFILE. A DARKER GRAY MAY ALSO BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF ASFORD CORNERS, THE COLUMN DETAILS IS TO BE SUBMITTED TO PERSONAL STRAIGHT PROFILE. BE ADDED DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN THERE TO INVOLVE A FOUNDATION. INSPECTION. INSPECTION, THE APPLICANT. MR. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDER. I HAVE, UH, APPROVED OR AGREED WITH ALL STAFF. MR. CHAIRMAN, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE SO MANY CASES, I, I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE COOPERATIVE NATURE OF, OF THE APPLICANT HERE AND WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. ASK US A SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION AGAIN? THANK YOU MR. LONGORIA, FOR WORKING WITH STAFF TO COME TO A RESOLUTION. UM, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. OH, HAS STEPPED AWAY. I'M SORRY. GIBBS. AYE. QUE ? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. RU AYE BE SIR. AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 16 2 0 9 [16. 21-4110 Address/Description: 209 W MARIPOSA HDRC Case No.: 2021-232 Historic District Name: Olmos Park Terrace Applicant: Marcus Tober/Marica Realestate Holdings, LLC Request: Construction of a 400-square-foot rear addition, window replacement City Council Dist.: 1] WEST MEOSA, RACHEL? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, NUMBER 20 21 2 0 9 WEST. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE FOUR EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH A VINYL REPLACEMENT PRODUCT. TWO, REPLACE ONE EXISTING VINYL WINDOW WITH A NEW VINYL WINDOW. THREE. CONSTRUCTION, APPROXIMATELY 400 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE 15 WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING OF THE ROOFING STAFF. WOOD WINDOWS ARE REPAIR IN PLACE. IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WITH WINDOWS THAT BE STAFF. UNDER WINDOWS SPECIFICATION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FINAL MATERIAL, THE PATIENT TO STAFF OR [02:25:13] S WINDOWS CONDITIONS. AS NOTED IN FINDING H AND I, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS SHOWING THE WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING WINDOW PROPORTIONS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT ADULT WOULD APPLIED WOOD WINDOWS ON THE REAR. ADDITION. AS NOTED, FINDING I SPECIFICATIONS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT MATERIAL APPROPRIATENESS AND THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED DISCUSSION ON ONE. YES. IS MARCUS TOBER. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME. I MEAN, BASICALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET AN EXCEPTION ON THE, ON THE REPLACEMENT ON ALLOWING ME TO REPLACE THE, UH, WOOD WINDOWS TO REPLACE IN THE NEIGHBOR AND POSSIBLY ON THE ADDITION SINCE, UH, WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UH, I BELIEVE HALF OR MORE THAN HALF OF THE WINDOWS EXISTING ON THE PROPERTY ARE ALREADY VINYL. UM, I'M NOT REQUESTING TO REPLACE THE FRONT WINDOWS FACING, FACING THE STREET ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, WE WERE, WE WERE ALWAYS PLANNING TO REPAIR THOSE. UM, THAT IS BASICALLY THE ONLY THING THAT I'M, I'M SEEING IF I CAN GET AN EXCEPTION FOR HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO, NOT FOR THIS ONE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR, UH, THE APPLICANT. CAN YOU JUST EXACTLY TELL ME WHICH WINDOWS WOULD BE THE ONE THAT THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING REPLACED? UM, THEY, I MIGHT BE DELAYED, BUT I'M LOOKING AT, THEY'RE THE WINDOWS FACING THE NEIGHBOR. SO ON THIS PICTURE, AGAIN, I MAY BE DELAYED, BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE PATIO DOOR'S HALFWAY OPEN, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A BUSH AND A PRIVACY FENCE. THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE DIRECTLY FACING THE NEIGHBOR, YOU'RE UNABLE TO SEE THEM FROM THE STREET. AND THAT CAN HELP CLARIFY ON THE WINDOWS IN QUESTION NOW ARE LABELED 3, 4, 5, AND SIX ON THE WEST ELEVATION. SO WE HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS, UM, NUMBERED AND THERE ARE PHOTOS AT THE END OF THE CASE FILE. LAUREN WAL THOSE NOW. THANK YOU. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GETTING. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSIONER. IS, IS THIS A, A, UH, A HOUSE TO BE REPAIRED AND SOLD OR IS THIS, UH, OWNER OCCUPIED? WE, UH, OUR STRATEGY ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WE, WE KINDA HAVEN'T LOCKED IT DOWN YET RIGHT NOW. WE ORIGINALLY WERE GOING TO TO REHAB AND, AND SLIP IT. HOWEVER, WE'RE LEANING MORE TO A BUY AND HOLD. EITHER WAY, WE WOULD NOT OCCUPY THE PROPERTY, MY WIFE AND I, THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. AND AS RECENT, WE'RE MORE UP TO, TO HAVING A PROPERTY OF THE BUY AND HOLD. UM, OKAY. MOVING FORWARD. IT, IT, I BUY US THAT IS A, THAT FOR SURE WON'T, WOULD NOT HAPPEN. WE, WE HAVE A, UM, A RESIDENCE WE LIVE IN. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. I, I JUST, I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT. UM, I THINK THE WINDOWS, I MEAN, OUR WINDOW POLICY HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME IN GOOD SHAPE CAN BE RESTORED. UM, THERE MAY BE ONE IN QUESTION AND I WOULD SUGGEST THE D R C FOR THAT ONE IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT WILLING TO, TO REPAIR ANY OF THEM. IT WAS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME? I'M SORRY. THAT WAS JUST A COMMENT [02:30:01] TO KIND OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO COMMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN? YEAH, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF THIS HOUSE EVER HAVING WOOD SCREENS OVER THE WINDOWS? UM, I WOULD, I WOULD MISSPEAK IF I ANSWERED THAT BECAUSE TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT, I'VE ONLY BEEN TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THE ENGINEER SEPARATELY. UM, OUTSIDE THE VISIT, UM, WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE BURGLAR BARS TYPE AND THEN MAYBE, UM, METAL SCREEN, LIKE I THINK TWO OF THEM HAVE A METAL SCREEN, BUT MOST OF THEM HAVE BURGLAR BARS. YEAH, I WAS, I WAS WONDERING IF THEY HAD HISTORICALLY HAD SCREENS. SOMETIMES YOU CAN STILL SEE SOME OF THE HARDWARE ON THAT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. IT LOOKED LIKE MAYBE THOSE THAT WAS BURGLAR BAR, UH, MOUNTING POSITIONS THERE. UH, THE REASON WHY I BRING THAT UP JUST SO THAT I CAN TRY TO MAYBE SUGGEST SOMETHING HERE IS THAT THAT'S ONE WAY WE HAVE DEALT WITH, UH, NON-EXISTING, NON-CONFORMING, NON-COMPLIANT WINDOWS, UH, TO AT LEAST MASK THEM A BIT, PARTICULARLY FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS PUTTING, UH, WOOD SCREENS OVER THEM. UH, BUT THIS APPLICANT IS REQUESTING REMOVAL OF ALL THE WINDOWS ALONG THAT, UM, SIDE FACING THE, THE, UH, NEIGHBOR, CORRECT? CORRECT. 3, 4, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX. AND YET THOSE ARE E EXISTING HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS, CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK UNLESS, UH, THERE'S A REAL COMPELLING REASON. UM, AND MAYBE A SITE VISIT WOULD HELP TO CONFIRM THIS, UH, BUT I WOULD BE IN, UH, SUPPORT OF STAFF AND, AND COMMISSIONER GROOVE'S, UH, COMMENTS ON THIS. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, I I ACCEPT THAT. LET ME ASK A SEPARATE QUESTION. IN THE ADDITION, SINCE VINYL WINDOWS ARE, ARE, ARE, UM, ARE ON THE OTHER HALF OF THE HOUSE, UM, AND THERE'S TWO VINYL WINDOWS AT THE REAR HOUSE, UM, LABELED EIGHT. UM, WHERE, WHERE THEY'LL BACK UP TO THE ADDITION, WOULD, WOULD WE BE, WOULD YOU ALLOW ME TO EXCEPTION? SO IF WE LOOK AT DRAWING 31 WINDOWS, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. I, I REALLY STAND BY OUR GUIDELINES. CLAP WOULD PROBABLY BE AN OPTION THERE. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. I GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, IF OF LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE WAS EVER CONSIDERED. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE HOUSES AND ENVIRONMENT, AT LEAST HALF OF EVERYTHING SO FAR OFF, EVEN TO GET TO THE LITTLE STUCCO BUILDINGS. THEY HAVE MINOR WINDOWS IN THEM. WE'VE SEEN THAT THE FIREPLACE IS LIKE REMOVED. THE WINDOWS HAD BEEN ALTERED. THE SURFACE MATERIAL IS DIFFERENT. THE ROOF, THE ROOF IS AT LEAST FOLLOWING THE LINE OF, OF WHAT IS THE HISTORICAL ROOF. BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S SO FAR OUT OF THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THAT HOUSE WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE ORIGINALLY, THAT THE SUGGESTION SEEMS TO BE THAT, THAT IT SHOULD BE RETURNING TO SOMETHING THAT, THAT IT CURRENTLY ISN'T. UH, I'M JUST, COULD YOU GIMME SOME INFORMATION ON THAT? YES. SO, UM, LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN THIS REQUEST. AND TO CLARIFY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPAIR THE CHIMNEY ON THE FRONT FACADE AND HAS A NUMBER OF OTHER, UM, ITEMS [02:35:01] IN THEIR SCOPE OF WORK THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL THAT WOULD BE REPAIR OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO RETURN IT TO, UM, HIS, ITS ITS HISTORIC FEATURES. AND SO THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED FOR THIS APPLICATION. AND, AND WITH RESPECT TO CONSISTENCY, YOU KNOW, APP, CONSISTENT APPLICATION OF GUIDELINES, RIGHT? THE WINDOWS IN THE AREA, THERE SEEM TO BE EVEN THE MOST HISTORIC LOOKING HOUSE THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY, THEY'RE ALUMINUM AND VINYLS. UM, WHAT DO, DO Y'ALL TAKE ANY OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION OR IT'S JUST THIS ONE HOUSE BY ITSELF? SO, SO EACH, EACH HISTORIC RESOURCE IS REVIEWED INDIVIDUALLY. UM, AND SO WE LOOK AT WHAT'S THERE. UM, TYPICALLY IF THE WINDOWS HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN REPLACED, THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO RESTORE THEM TO WOOD BECAUSE WE'RE OPERATING UNDER THE GUIDELINES WITH REFERENCE THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, NOT RESTORATION. SO UNDER THE REHABILITATION STANDARDS, UM, YOU'RE ABLE TO REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL MATERIALS WITH NEW, UM, NON-ORIGINAL MATERIALS. BUT WE DO TRY TO GET PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONFORM WITH THE GUIDELINES, NOT NECESSARILY TO INSTALL A WOOD WINDOW OR RESTORED WINDOW, BUT SOMETHING THAT IS SIMILAR, UM, UH, TO WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY RECOMMEND. MAYBE JUST A CHANGE IN MATERIALS. UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE LOOKING AT WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE INTACT IN MANY INSTANCES. MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, YES, IF, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA BACK UP AND, AND THANK THE APPLICANT FOR MAKING THE INVESTMENT AND, AND BEING WILLING TO DO THE WORK THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO HERE BECAUSE I, I THINK THIS PROPERTY WAS PROBABLY VERY MUCH ON THE EDGE OF, OF, UH, NOT BEING ABLE TO BE PULLED BACK. SO I, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE PUTTING INTO IT. UM, AND IN, IN THAT SPIRIT, I, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. TWO 30 ISH. AYE, GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. MSAN? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RU AYE. FETZER? AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. IT IS FIVE 30. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. GREAT. SO [18. 21-4097 Address/Description: 207 W MULBERRY AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-243 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Gerald (Jerry) Wilson Request: Front facade and front walkway modifications City Council Dist.: 1] IF WE'RE READY, UM, ITEM 18. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY, RACHEL, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. I DON'T SEE YOU ON HERE ANYMORE. I SEE HER. OKAY. I AM SENDING A REQUEST. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 2 43 2 0 7 WEST MULBERRY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PARTIALLY DEMOLISH AND REDUCE THE LENGTH OF THE EAST WING WALL. TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY. THREE, MODIFY THE FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING, AND FOUR, INSTALL A REAR PATIO ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUEST TO MODIFY THE EXISTING EAST WING WALL BASED ON FINDING B. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF FRONT STEP AND LANDING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE TILE WALKWAY, OR I'M SORRY, THAT THE WALKWAY MODIFICATIONS REMAIN WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING WALKWAY AND MATCH THE EXISTING WALKWAY AND WIDTH, WIDTH AND DESIGN. AN UPDATED SITE PLAN MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE UPDATES TO THE PROPOSED FRONT WALKWAY TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR PATIO INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE PROPOSED PATIO AND THE PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPOSED LOT COVERAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. LOT COVERAGE MUST NOT EXCEED 50%. AND THE APPLICANT, UM, JERRY WILSON IS ON THE LINE. JERRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, DISCUSS YOUR REQUEST? HI, YES. THANK YOU. UM, [02:40:01] I ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE YOUR, YOUR INFORMATION UP ON MY COMPUTER RIGHT NOW, SO I JUST, UH, UH, LISTENED TO WHAT YOU JUST REVIEWED. AND SO AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, THE, THE BEING ABLE TO, UH, UH, UM, SHORTEN THAT WING WALL WAS A NO. UM, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT WING WALL IS THAT THE, THE, THAT WHOLE WING WALL, IT STILL LOOKS LIKE IT'S STANDING FROM THE OUTSIDE FROM THE STREET, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE BACK AND YOU GET ALL THE WAY UP CLOSE UP INTO IT, YOU COULDN'T REALLY GET IT WITH A PHOTOGRAPH. WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH THE CRACK INTO THE WALL, YOU CAN SEE THAT EVERYTHING INSIDE THAT WALL IS ROTTED OUT, AND THAT IN ORDER TO FIX THE WALL, THE THE WHOLE WALL HAS TO BE TAKEN ABOUT. WELL, I WOULD SAY LIKE AT LEAST 75% OF THAT WING WALL NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED AND THEN REBUILT AND REFINISHED ON THE OUTSIDE. UH, WITH THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, THE, THE CLIENT STATED THAT IF THAT WALL HAS TO BE REBUILT, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF IT FOR ONE THING BECAUSE THEY WANT BOTH WING WALLS TO MATCH ONE ANOTHER FOR ANOTHER THING. THE, UH, THE, THE OTHER WING WALL THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MATCH HAS ALREADY BEEN SHORTENED. SO I MEAN, IT WOULD BE LIKE, LIKE REBUILDING A WALL THAT IS, IS, IS, IS JUST, IT, IT JUST, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE ANY SENSE TO THE CLIENT OR US TO DO THAT. UM, WE, WE, THE, THE, THE, THE HOUSE, THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY SYMMETRICAL FROM SIDE TO SIDE EXCEPT FOR THE WING WALL. UM, BY MAKING THE WING WALLS MATCH, IT WOULD MATCH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND IT WOULD ALLOW THE, THE, THE, THE CLIENTS NOT TO HAVE TO EXPEND FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T WANT AND THEY DON'T WANT LOOK AT. AND THE, THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING THERE HAVE ALREADY UPROOTED THAT WALL. AND IF YOU BUILD ANOTHER WALL IN ITS PLACE, THE TREES ARE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND THEY'RE GONNA UPROOT THE NEW WALL ALSO. SO THAT'S THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHTS BEHIND WANTING TO SHORTEN THAT WALL. AND I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER OF, OF, OF THE COMPANY I WORK WITH AND THE CLIENTS ARE, ARE, ARE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT, THAT NO CALL, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. UM, AS FAR AS, UH, UH, THE, THE EXISTING WALKWAY TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, WE'RE REALLY NOT LOOKING TO TO, TO CHANGE THE FOOTPRINT OF IT. WE JUST WANT TO UPGRADE IT SO THAT IT, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE A, A, A BIG GAP BETWEEN THE WALKWAY AND THE EXISTING, UH, UH, LANDING. UH, THE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. AND IN DOING THAT, UM, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, REMOVE A SECTION OF IT AND THEN REPORT AT THE CORRECT HEIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN SETTLING GOING ON AT THAT HOUSE. AND WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO INSIDE THAT HOUSE, YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE'S BEEN SETTLING ALL AROUND THE HOUSE BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK OUT THE WINDOWS, THE HOUSE IS CROOKED TO THE HORIZON. UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BASIS OF, OF, OF REDOING THE, THE FRONT WALKWAY IS REALLY TO, TO GET RID OF THE GAP WHERE THE HOUSE AND THE LANDING TO THE FRONT DOOR HAD DISLODGED THEMSELVES FROM THE, THE SIDEWALK. UM, UH, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, ADDING THE TILE WORK TO THAT, UH, AS AN APPLICATION, IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT TO, UH, INTEGRATE THE ONE REALLY PRETTY TILED DETAIL THAT'S AROUND THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH IS SEMI-CIRCULAR ON TOP TO THE SEMI-CIRCULAR LANDING. UH, WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, APPROVED OR, OR NOT DO, DO YOU TELL ME THAT? WELL, NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED OR DENIED JUST YET. WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSIONS WHAT RACHEL HAD READ WERE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. YES. OKAY. UM, SO, UH, WHAT RACHEL HAS READ HAS PRETTY MUCH ALREADY BEEN SENT TO US. I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, I DID, UH, NOT TODAY BECAUSE I'M ON THIS DEADLINE RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, I DID REVIEW, UH, I MEAN ALL OF THE WORK AND NOT ONLY THE, THE, THE WHATEVER IT IS, 30 PAGES [02:45:01] THAT WE DID ON OUR SIDE, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE MASS AMOUNT OF INFORMATION HISTORICALLY REFERENCING WHAT WE WANTED TO BE APPROVED FOR AND WHAT YOUR GENERAL ALLOWABLE CONSENSUS IS. UM, SO, UH, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, UH, THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY, UH, UH, COMMUNICATED WITH YOU ALL THAT, UH, I'M WORKING ON THESE, THESE, THESE ABSOLUTE DEADLINES AND THAT, YOU KNOW, HE WOULD BE OPEN TO, UH, SPEAKING WITH YOU ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK HE LEFT A WINDOW OF LIKE THREE O'CLOCK TO FOUR O'CLOCK, SO THAT MIGHT BE WHY I GOT THE CALL. UM, SO, UH, I GUESS, UH, FROM HERE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, UH, THE DECISIONS HAVEN'T BEEN FINALIZED. THEY HAVE JUST BEEN PRESENTED. THE S YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS HAS JUST BEEN PRESENTED SO FAR, AND THIS MEETING IS NOT OVER YET. AM I, AM I CORRECT IN THAT? THAT IS CORRECT. YOUR MEETING? THAT IS CORRECT. AND, AND WHAT WE WILL DO NOW IS, UM, HEAR FROM ANY CITIZENS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE COMMISSIONERS WHO MAY HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR YOU. SO IF WE'LL JUST HOLD ON, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE THIS CASE. OKAY. SO WE DO HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE MONTE VISTA AL ASSOCIATION. THIS COMES FROM PAUL KENNISON. THE MV HA'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THIS PROPOSAL BE DENIED AT THIS TIME. PENDING FURTHER REVIEW, THE MV HA'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS APPLICATION PRIOR TO APPEARING ON THIS H D R C AGENDA. O H P STAFF HAS A NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT REVISIONS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE H D R C FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF A C O A. SEVERAL ISSUES, SEVERAL ISSUES THAT SHOULD REQUIRE FURTHER CONSIDERATION REVIEW INCLUDE ONE FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS, HAS TOO MANY PLANT VARIETIES, HAS NO HISTORICAL CONTEXT AND LOOKS VERY PLANT NURSERY TRYING TO SEE HOW MANY PLANT VARIETIES THEY CAN DISPLAY. TWO, WE ARE OPPOSED TO SEE WE ARE OPPOSED TO LARGE AREAS OF SYNTHETIC LAWN AS IT HAS NO HISTORICAL CONTEXT. THREE STRAIGHT AND DRIVE OFF OF WEST MULBERRY. PRESENT SAFETY ISSUES FOR RESIDENTS VISITORS IN MULBERRY TRAFFIC. FOUR. THE SIZE AND NUMBER OF OUTDOOR DINING AND SEATING AREAS REDUCES PERVIOUS COVERAGE AND ADDS AN ATMOSPHERE THAT WORSE THE HISTORIC BACKYARDS. FIVE, THERE'S NO INDICATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING BETWEEN THE TURF AREA AND THE NORTH PROPERTY. LINE SIX, THE ROOFS FOR THE OUTSIDE DINING AND SEATING AREAS ARE WAY AT A SCALE FOR THE HISTORIC HOUSE. SEVEN, UM, SIZE AND ROOF COVERAGE FOR THE PERGOLA DINING AND SEATING AREAS TO TRY FROM THE HOUSE'S HISTORICAL CHARACTER. I HATE THE PROPOSED EXTERIOR LIGHTING SHOULD BE REVIEWED TO ENSURE LIGHTING WILL NOT BE OFFENSIVE TO ADJACENT NEIGHBORS FOR THE ISSUES NOTED AS WELL AS OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. WE RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE C O A UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE MONTE VISTA AND C R C HAS HAD OPPORTUNITY TO ADEQUATELY REVIEW. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. DO YOU HAVE ALL THAT IN WRITING? I GOT THAT, YES, SIR. YES, SIR. WE CAN PROVIDE, PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. OKAY. UM, WELL IF YOU CAN SEND THAT TO ME BY EMAIL, THEN I CAN FORWARD IT TO THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY. UM, AND SO, UH, IT WAS DENIED BY THE BY WHO? SIR? THESE ARE JUST COMMENTS, UM, FROM THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION. UM, THIS IS TO THE APPLICANT. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MEET US ON SITE MAYBE WITH THE CONTRACTOR AS WELL SO THAT WE CAN WORK THROUGH THESE THINGS AND GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME? REVIEW THE APPLICATION? UH, WELL, YES. UH, I I MEAN I WOULD LIKE, I I I'D LIKE THE OWNER TO BE THERE, THE OWNER OF MY EMPLOYER. OKAY. UM, IS THAT POSSIBLE? OKAY. THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. I THINK WE CAN WORK THROUGH A LOT OF THESE ISSUES FAIRLY QUICKLY ON SITE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT THAN KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UM, WHEN WILL WE BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE THAT MEETING? STAFF WILL SCHEDULE THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UM, THE D R C MEETINGS JUST FOR REFERENCE, USUALLY HAPPEN THE WEEK FOLLOWING THESE MEETINGS. SO MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE CAN GET YOU ON A MEETING NEXT WEEK, BUT IT MIGHT BE AFTER THAT. OKAY. STAFF WILL RE REACH OUT TO YOU ABOUT THE SCHEDULE. OKAY. UM, THAT'S WONDERFUL. GOOD NEWS. UM, AND, UH, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT, MR. ? YOU GO AHEAD FOR US TO TAKE A MOTION. YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THAT WAS A MOTION OPPOSED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER CURTIS, UH, FISH I O UH, THAT'S A MOTION MOVE TO SEND TO D R C SITE VISIT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE. AYE GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZOOM RUN. AYE, CARPENTER? AYE. [02:50:01] CREW? AYE THAT SIR? AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES. NEXT IS ITEM [19. 21-4135 Address/Description: 527 HAYS ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-227 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Megan Suermann/Howdy Haus, LLC Request: Painting brick, porch modifications, fence replacement City Council Dist.: 2] 19, WE, ARE YOU THERE? I, YES. ITEM 19, CASE NUMBER 20 21 2 27 AT 5 27 HAYES, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE TURNED COLUMN WITH SQUARE CEDAR COLUMNS TWO, REPLACE THE CHAIN LINK FRONT YARD FENCE WITH NEW BRICK MASONRY AND HORIZONTAL METAL SLAT FENCING. AND THREE, PAINT THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING BRICK STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WOOD COLUMN REPLACE BASED ON FINDING. B. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO FENCING BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE FENCE DESIGN FEATURES A SIMPLE ROT IRON FENCE WITH OR WITHOUT MATCHING BRICK MASONRY BASE OR FREESTANDING CATTLE PANEL FENCE INSTEAD OF THE PROPOSED HORIZONTAL METAL FLAT DESIGN. AND TWO, THE FENCE HEIGHT IS LIMITED TO FOUR FEET IN THE FRONT YARD WITH OR WITHOUT A MASONRY BASE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE PAINT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT NEW PAINT IS LIMITED TO WOOD ELEMENTS BASED ON FINDING G PAINTING ON UNPAINTED MASONRY REQUIRES EXPLICIT APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, MEGAN ON THE LINE. MEGAN HAS AGREED TO, UH, OR HAS CONSENTED TO THESE STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE AND TWO AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO PAINTING OVER BRICK. UH, MEGAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, AND EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION? SURE. UM, YES, MY NAME IS MEGAN ERMAN AND I'M THE OWNER OF 5 2 7 HAY STREET. AND THE HOUSE IS BUILT IN 1970 AND THE BRICK USED IS NOT, UM, AN ATTRACTIVE BRICK. IT'S NOT RED BRICK OR ANYTHING. THAT'S REALLY, UM, TIME PERIOD, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ATTRACTIVE REALLY, UM, WITHOUT PAINTING THE BRICKS, THE, THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE, IT LOOKS VERY CHOPPY. UM, AND THIS WOULD UNIFY BOTH THE BRICK AND THE WOOD, UM, TOP PIECE. RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A MOBILE HOME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THE HOUSE, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO, UM, IMPROVE THE LOOK OF THE HOME. IF I DON'T, IF I'M NOT ABLE TO PRINT, UH, PAINT THE BRICK, THEN I PROBABLY WOULD NOT PAINT THE HOUSE AT ALL AND JUST LET IT LOOK LIKE A MOBILE HOME, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE WOULD BE NO IMPROVEMENT TO THE FACADE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES. UM, THIS COMES FROM, UH, SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL RESORT DISTRICT. WE SUPPORT O H P'S RECOMMENDATIONS. WE ALSO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO REINSTATE THE GARAGE. THERE'S A DEFINING FEATURE OF THE 1970S ERA HOME AND WILL BE A VERY DESIRABLE ATTRIBUTE. I AGREE COMPLETELY ABOUT THE GARAGE. . YES, I BELIEVE. COREY, IF YOU WOULD, UH, SPEAK TO WHETHER THAT COULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL? YEAH, I, I THINK SO. UM, WE WOULD NEED TO REVIEW, UH, THE STYLE AND MATERIALS OF THE DOOR, BUT I THINK THAT'S OKAY. SO IT'S DOWN TO PAINTING OF THE BRICK. UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, PAINTING OF MASONRY IS DISCOURAGED, UH, WHEN PRESERVING OR RESTORING STRUCTURES, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE AGE OF THE BRICK. UH, WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN IS THAT, UM, WITH REGULAR PAINTS, EITHER OIL OR, UH, LATEX, THAT MOISTURE GETS BEHIND THE PAINT AND STARTS TO DETERIORATE THE BRICK AND THE MORTAR. SO YOU ACTUALLY END UP WITH A WORSE CONDITION THAN, UM, LEAVING THE BRICK EXPOSED, WHICH IS A MATERIAL THAT IS DESIGNED TO, UH, GET WET AND DRY OUT ON ITS OWN. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUICKLY. CAN I, UM, INTERJECT? UM, SO WHEN PAINTING MASONRY OR BRICK, UH, THERE IS A SPECIAL, UM, PAINT THAT IS USED. UM, IT'S LIKE AN ELASTIC TYPE OF PAINT THAT IS MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR BRICK AND MASONRY. AND SO THIS TYPE OF PAIN IS USED, WHICH I'VE USED ON NUMEROUS OTHER OCCASIONS, UM, AND OTHER, UM, HOMES THAT I'VE WORKED ON THAT, UH, THIS PREVENTS ANY OF THE DETERIORATION OF THE BRICK. IT'S CALLED A LACTO MERIC. SO, CHAIR, I GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THIS IS, UH, IS, IS THIS, IS THIS A HISTORIC [02:55:02] BECAUSE IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? OR HAS THIS HOUSE BEEN SINGLED OUT AS A HISTORIC CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC HOUSE LOCATION WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MAKES IT HISTORIC. UM, GENERALLY THE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING'S CONSIDERED NON-CONTRIBUTING, IT STILL NEEDS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WHATEVER SCOPES IMPACT THE PROPERTY. UM, IF SOMEBODY IS REQUESTING NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS, GENERALLY THAT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO REQUEST DEMOLITION, AND THAT IMPACTS HOW THAT REVIEW OCCURS. BUT THIS HOUSE, WHILE IT'S A LATER CONSTRUCTION IN THE DISTRICT, IT'S OLD ENOUGH TO BE SUBJECT TO, TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. RIGHT. BUT NOW, NOW AS, UM, AS A NON-CONTRIBUTING, I, I, I DID NOT SAY IT WAS NOT CONTRIBUTING. I JUST, I I WANTED TO RESPOND TO WHERE I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS GOING. UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVE NOT ASSESSED THIS PROPERTY FOR CONTRIBUTING OR NOT, BUT GENERALLY IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED OLD ENOUGH TO BE CONTRIBUTING. AND, AND IS IT BECAUSE IT'S IN THIS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO, SO JUST, JUST SO, SO HOW IS IT THAT THE ALBERT PENA HOUSE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT IN LA VACA WASN'T SEEN AS CONTRIBUTING. IT WAS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT GOT DEMOLISHED AND IT WAS VERY CONTRIBUTING AND IT ALSO HAD HISTORIC PRECEDENT WITH RESPECT TO WHO LIVED IN THE HOUSE. I MEAN, HOW IS IT THAT THIS HOUSE IS, UH, I, I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S RELATED TO THIS CASE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER OFFLINE ANOTHER TIME. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. THE CHAIRMAN. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. YES, SIR. UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, THERE WERE, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE COMMUNITY CONCERNING YOUR, UM, THAT YOU REINSTATE THE GARAGE. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, MA'AM? DO I HAVE ANY, WHAT? ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? OH, UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE GARAGE IS CONTRIBUTING TO SQUARE FOOTAGE AND IT'S BEING USED AS A FOURTH BEDROOM. UM, MY CONCERN WOULD BE TO CONVERT THAT GARAGE WHILE THERE'S STILL A TENANT PRESENT. BUT AS SOON AS THAT TENANT MOVES OUT, MY INTENTION WOULD BE TO CON RECONVERT THE GARAGE, UM, TO A GARAGE. UH, BUT THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS. THE, UH, ENTRANCE IS ON HAY STREET. UM, THERE WOULD BE A GATE THERE ONCE THE, UH, FENCE WAS APPROVED AND THE STYLE THAT IS CHOSEN BY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT OTHER CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE, EXCEPT THAT OUR HOUSE WOULD LOOK BETTER THAN THEIRS. HA HA HA. JUST KIDDING. OKAY. JUST INTERJECTING SOME HUMOR, . I UNDERSTAND. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE IT. UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. MR. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, YES, PLEASE. I COMPLETELY CONCUR WITH YOUR EARLIER COMMENTS ABOUT PAINTING MASONRY. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S A VERY TRENDY THING TO DO RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS A VERY LONG-TERM DESTRUCTIVE THING TO DO. AND, UH, EVEN ALASKAN MERRI THAT'S EVEN MORE SO DESTRUCTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT REVERSIBLE, IT STILL FAILS, PARTICULARLY IN OUR SOILS. WE HAVE CRACKS IN THE MASONRY. THE WATER'S GONNA GET IN. IT'S A REALLY BAD IDEA. I WISH THAT TREND WOULD GO AWAY AND GO AWAY QUICKLY. THERE ARE PLENTY OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO THIS HOUSE TO CELEBRATE ITS MINIMALIST DESIGN AND TO EXPRESS, UH, BRING SOME COLOR TO IT, THE ROOF, THE TRIM, UM, YOU KNOW, RE RESTORING THE GARAGE IS A GREAT IDEA, UH, TO, TO RECAPTURE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE AUTOMOBILE IN AMERICAN SOCIETY IN THE, UH, MID TO, UH, UH, MID 20TH CENTURY. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD GO FOR. UM, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A WAY TO CELEBRATE THE MINIMALISM HERE AND REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, UM, AND NOT, UH, DISPERSE IT AS A MOBILE HOME. I THINK THERE'S, UH, SOME CHARACTER HERE THAT, UH, SHOULD BE RESPECTED. AND I THINK PAINTING THE BRICK IS A REALLY BAD IDEA. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. I AGREE WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. IS THERE A MOTION? HELLO? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. HELLO? HELLO? YES, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING A MOTION. HELLO? HELLO. CAN YOU HEAR US? I'M GOING TO, WE SHOULD HAVE SAID IS WE STARTED ON A HOUSE THAT HAS, WAIT, CAN YOU MUTE YOURSELF FROM THE INSIDE OUT SO IT WOULD'VE FALLEN DOWN. SO WE HADN'T TAKEN CARE OF [03:00:02] JUST A MINUTE. CHAIRMAN, I'M, I'M GOING OVER THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO SEE IF I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THEM. OKAY. SO, UH, MS. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOVE. I'LL SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FISH. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ERON. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROVE. AYE BET. AYE. LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. JUST ONE QUESTION. WAS THIS MOTION CLEAR ENOUGH THAT MASONRY IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PAINTING? I BELIEVE SO, YES. OKAY. YES, THAT WAS IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. [20. 21-4151 Address/Description: 314 TRAIL HDRC Case No.: 2021-251 Historic District Name: River Road RIO District: RIO-1 Applicant: Keenon Allen Request: Construction of a 1-story rear addition, fenestration modifications, window replacement City Council Dist.: 1] ADAM 20. RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? WHICH ONE RACHEL? NOT YET. TRY AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 2 51 3 14 TRAIL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE 11 VINYL WINDOWS WITH A VINYL REPLACE, OR, I'M SORRY, REPLACE 11 WINDOWS WITH A VINYL REPLACEMENT PRODUCT. TWO. REMOVE AND ENCLOS THE NORTH FACING FRONT DOOR. AND THREE, CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY 350 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS C THROUGH C. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN PLACE IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS TO, UM, THAT MEET STAFF WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS AND SUBMITS THE FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ENCLOSURE OF THE NORTH FACING FRONT DOOR OPENING BASED ON FINDING D. ITEM THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS E THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS AND SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD, FRENCH DOORS, OR SLIDING GLASS DOORS ON THE SOUTH REAR ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED EDITION. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF OR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THE APPLICANT, KEENAN ALLEN IS ON THE LINE. KEENAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK NOW ABOUT YOUR REQUEST, UM, AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE COMMISSIONERS? YES. UH, MY NAME IS KENAN ALLEN, UH, GENERAL CONTRACTOR WITH ONX HOME DESIGN, WORKING WITH ANDREW RAINWATER, UH, TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 3 14 12 CHARLES STREET. UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS, THE FIRST TOPIC THAT I'D LIKE TO START WITH IS WE'D LIKE TO TAKE ONE OF THE FRONT FACING FRONT DOORS OFF OF THE HOME AND GO TO HAVING ONE FRONT DOOR ENTRANCE. UM, I KNOW THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE KEEP BOTH FRONT DOORS, UH, BECAUSE IT ALIGNS WITH THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOME. HOWEVER, A FEW THINGS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THIS PARTICULAR ADDRESS IS RIGHT ON THE CUSP OF THE OVERLAY FOR THE RIVER ROAD, UH, HISTORICAL DISTRICT. THE HOUSE, UM, IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A CAR WASH, UM, NEXT DOOR TO A VACANT LOT, AND THEN THE LOT TO THE LEFT OF THAT VACANT LOT. THAT HOUSE, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN REALLY SEE IT DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S FENCED IN ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND THE ONLY OTHER RESTORED HOUSE ON THAT STREET WOULD BE THREE 10 TRUST STREET, WHICH IS THE NEXT DOOR. UM, SO I DO FEEL THAT ANY, ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS HOME WOULD BE, UH, RATHER SIGNIFICANT ALTOGETHER. BUT IF WE ARE LOOKING AT [03:05:01] KEEPING THAT FRONT DOOR, THE ISSUE THAT IT DOES CAUSE FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE IS THE PROXIMITY OF THAT FRONT DOOR TO THE WINDOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE, UM, DUE TO CODE WITH THAT DOOR BEING THERE, THOSE WINDOWS WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE TEMPERED GLASS BECAUSE THEY ARE WITHIN 24 UH, INCHES OF THAT DOOR. SO WHETHER WE KEEP THE DOOR OR NOT, THE THE WINDOW IN ITSELF WOULD HAVE TO STILL CHANGE DUE TO CODE REASONS. SO I'D LIKE TO TRY TO REMOVE THAT FRONT DOOR. THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW THAT HISTORICALLY THE, THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THOSE TWO FRONT DOORS WAS FOR A COOLING EFFECT OF THE HOUSE TO ALLOW AIRFLOW, WHICH WE'D BE TAKING CARE OF BY PROVIDING CENTRAL AC IN THAT HOME. UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IS I KNOW THAT IT SAYS 11 WINDOWS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NINE WINDOWS, AND THEN WE'RE ADDING TWO WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION. I'D LIKE TO STILL ASK THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO VINYL WINDOWS, BUT INSET THE WINDOWS IN A WAY THAT STILL, UH, MATCHES A HISTORICAL SET WINDOW, UM, BY SETTING THOSE WINDOWS WITHOUT NELSON. SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY INSECT INTO THE OPENING AND NOT INSECT TO THE, UH, ION OF THE FRONT OF THE HOME. UM, I'VE SUCCESSFULLY BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS ON OTHER HISTORICAL HOMES, AND IT'S COME AND IT'S TURNED OUT, UM, RATHER NICELY, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT HERE AS WELL. UM, AND DUE TO THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF MATERIALS AS WELL AS THE COST OF MATERIALS IS ANOTHER REASON THAT WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE, UH, VINYL WINDOWS IN PLACE OF WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLADS JUST DUE TO THE TIME OF THE FINANCIAL COST THAT IT WOULD TAKE. UM, AS WELL AS THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NOT GONNA BE INHABITED BY THE OWNER, IT IS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY LOOKING TO BE REHABBED AND SOLD. UM, SO THE HOMEOWNER WILL NOT BE STAYING HERE. SO THE LONGER THAT THE HOMEOWNER OR THE OWNER DOES HOLD ONTO THE PROPERTY IN WAITING FOR MATERIALS TO, UH, DEVELOP, THAT'S MORE FINANCIAL COST IN THAT, UH, PARTICULAR OWNERS HAVING TO OCCUR. AND I THINK A LOT OF THESE ISSUES COULD BE SOLVED WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CREATIVITY AND CRAFTSMANSHIP ON HOW WE SET THOSE WINDOWS IN, UM, IN THOSE WINDOWS BEING READILY AVAILABLE, UH, ON THE MARKET TODAY. UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF MY ARGUMENT FOR THE WINDOWS AND THE DOOR. AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR ANY, UH, COMMENTS. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. ONE SECOND. MY NAME IS GEM MCKEN 5 0 9 RIVER ROAD, CASE NUMBER 20 FOR THREE 14 TRAIL. THIS 1910 HOME IN THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS BEEN BOARDED UP FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. I'M GLAD TO SEE IT BEING REHABILITATED. I AGREE WITH THE FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, WINDOW REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT IF NECESSARY, MAINTAINING THE SECOND DOOR IN THE FRONT AND THE ADDITION RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UH, IS THAT ALL WE HAVE, COREY? YES. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION OF THE, UH, APPLICANT'S, UH, REPRESENTATIVE. YES. UM, WE, WE'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF TIMES WHERE THERE WERE THESE SMALL HOUSES THAT HAVE TWO DOORWAYS, UH, HISTORICALLY GOING OUT ONTO A PORCH. AND ONE SOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN, UH, BROKERED AND SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED AGAIN AND AGAIN IS WHERE ONE OF THE DOORS IS PINNED AND IS INOPERABLE ALLOWING, USUALLY THE REASON IS NOT BECAUSE OF, UH, HAVING TO SPEND A FEW EXTRA BUCKS FOR TEMPERED GLASS, BUT FOR PEOPLE TO CREATE A, A BEDROOM IN THE FRONT SPACE AND NOT HAVE, UH, PEOPLE WALKING DIRECTLY INTO IT. IS THAT AN OPTION THAT YOU COULD PURSUE, UH, TO PRESERVE THAT DOOR IN PLACE BUT PIN IT, MAKE IT INOPERABLE, AND THEN THEREFORE YOU ARE NOT HAVING TO, UH, ADDRESS THE, [03:10:01] THE, UH, THE PROXIMITY OF THE GLAZING TO THE DOORWAY AND HAVING THE TEMPERED GLASS? THAT IS ABSOLUTELY AN OPTION. UM, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I DID HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SAFETY IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE EVENT OF MORE OF A FIRE, AN EMERGENCY STANDPOINT. UM, IT DID WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT PROPOSES A VISUAL ASPECT OF THIS IS A VISUAL ENTRANCE. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT I DID NOT TAKE A LOT OF TIME TO REALLY BUILD THAT IDEA, TO BE HONEST. WELL, I, I APPRECIATE AND, AND HOW YOU PRESENTED THIS CASE. I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU'VE, YOU'VE THOUGHT A LOT OF THIS THROUGH, BUT ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THOSE, UH, PREVIOUS CASES IS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY GO IN INFER OUT THE INTERIOR SO THAT IT'S NO LONGER EVEN IN A DOOR THAT'S ACCESSIBLE. SO SOMEONE'S NOT TRYING TO, UH, USE THAT AS A FIRE EGRESS, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO MEET YOUR CONCERN. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONCEIVABLY THEN REVERSIBLE DOWN THE LINE. IF SOMEONE COMES ALONG AND WANTS TO TAKE THIS BACK TO HAVING BOTH DOORS OPERABLE, THEY CAN EASILY TEAR THROUGH SOME SHEET ROCK ON THE INTERIOR. IT GIVES YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A MORE WORKABLE SPACE ON THE INSIDE, UH, FROM PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. BUT IT ALSO PRESERVES KIND OF THE, THE HARDWIRED CONFIGURATION OF THE HOUSE IN, IN PLACE FOR SOME FUTURE DATE. OKAY. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE. OKAY. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT I DO HAVE A, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IN DOING THAT, DO I NEED TO, UM, WHEN WE DO THAT PHONE DOOR, WOULD I NEED TO HAVE A DOORKNOB THERE OR HOW WOULD I NEED TO GO ABOUT THAT? LOOK VISUALLY YOU'RE TALKING FROM THE OUTSIDE, CORRECT? CORRECT. WELL, THERE ONE OPTION AND YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THIS, IS POSSIBLY REMOVING THE DOOR HANDLE SO THAT, UH, A FIRST RESPONDER WOULDN'T CONSIDER THIS AS THE ENTRY TO THE HOUSE AND THEN PUTTING SOME SORT OF A SCUTT AND PLATE OVER THE HOLE. UH, OKAY. BUT I BELIEVE YOU COULD WORK OUT THAT DETAIL WITH STAFF IF THAT'S, UH, THE WAY WE GO. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. FISH IN RESPONSE TO THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS, I THINK THEY'RE PARTICULARLY, THEY'RE REALLY PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT WHEN WE HAVE, UH, EXIT WOOD, WOOD WINDOWS IN THAT THOSE WINDOWS THAT CAN'T BE REPAIRED, UH, NEED TO BE REPLACED IN KIND. AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE CAN BE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE TO THAT BASED ON THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I'M SEEING. A A NUMBER OF THESE WINDOWS, UM, ARE REPAIRABLE, WHICH, UM, IS OBVIOUSLY CHEAPER THAN REPLACING, UH, REPLACING THEM. AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION SAYS THEY CAN BE REPLACED IN KIND IF BEYOND REPAIR. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM, UM, IN THAT REGARD. UH, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHT IN, UM, IN RECESSING A A VINYL PRODUCT. UM, IN NEW CONSTRUCTION THERE'S A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT MORE LATITUDE GENERALLY. THE PROBLEM WITH VINYL PRODUCTS IS REALLY THE DIMENSIONALITY. UH, BUT WHEN YOU'RE REPLACING HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS WITH THOSE PRODUCTS, IT'S, IT'S CREATES A LOT OF DOWNSTREAM PROBLEMS. SO I WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. AND I AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S POSITION ON IT. UM, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH YOUR, YOUR OWNER IS THAT I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR, UH, TAX CREDITS, UH, HISTORIC TAX, WHICH CAN BE USED TO OFFSET, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSE IN, UH, THE REPAIR OF THE PROPERTY. AND THAT IT CAN ALSO BE PASSED ON TO A BUYER AND, UM, IN SOME CASES IT CAN BE SUBSTANTIAL. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU'LL WANT TO BE AWARE OF. AND, AND WHEN YOU'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS PROJECT, YOU'LL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK, UH, CONFORMS TO THE GUIDELINES, UM, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. AND DON'T TRY TO DO OUT OF SCOPE WORK BECAUSE THAT CAN PUT THAT, THAT CAN PUT THAT IN JEOPARDY. IT CAN HAUNT YOU OR IT CAN HAUNT . I AGREE. CHAIRMAN, JUST ASK, SORRY. THE TWO WINDOWS THAT WE WILL BE ADDING TO THE ADDITION, ARE THOSE ABLE TO BE VINYL WINDOWS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ASSESS OR THEM BEING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN READILY GET? JUST THOSE TWO WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION. EVERYTHING ELSE WE WOULD LOOK AT REHABBING. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE, ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF SALVAGE PLACES HERE IN TOWN. [03:15:01] THESE, THESE WINDOWS ARE VERY STANDARD IN SIZE. THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, THE MASS PRODUCTION OF THE TIME. AND, UH, YOU GO TO PICKERS PARADISE AND, AND DIG THROUGH A WHOLE STACK OF 'EM AND, AND PULL, PULL SOME OUT THAT WOULD, UH, VERY MUCH MATCH, UH, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE. SO THAT MIGHT BE EVEN A MORE EXPEDIENT PATHWAY FOR YOU THAN TRYING TO GET THEM SINCE, UH, THE PRODUCTION BACKLOG HAS GOT THINGS MONTHS BEHIND RIGHT NOW. JUST A THOUGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I'D JUST LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT REQUEST FOR THE TWO IN THE ADDITION, UH, IN THE CASES THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THOSE BE SUBMITTED AND EVALUATED FOR DIMENSIONALITY AND THOSE OTHER ASPECTS. SO, UM, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING THE, THE MOTION AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND PROVIDE DIMENSIONAL INFORMATION FOR CONSIDERATION OF THAT PRODUCT, YOU CAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'LL HAVE SUCCESS GETTING APPROVAL AT THAT TIME. IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET APPROVAL FOR FINAL WINDOWS. SO WITH THAT, UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 1, 2, 3 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I SECOND THE MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. AYE. AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. . AYE. CARPENTER RU AYE. AYE. THAT AYE LI AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, I THINK WE'VE GOT TIME FOR ITEM 21 7 18 [21. 21-4119 Address/Description: 718 LABOR ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-225 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Anthony Guajardo/Clearsite Construction Request: Roof replacement and pitch changes City Council Dist.: 1] LABORER. UM, LEE, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, GO AHEAD. ITEM NUMBER 21, CASE NUMBER 2021 AT 2 25 AT SEVEN 14 THROUGH SEVEN 18 LABOR, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE ASPHALT FLAT ROOF WITH A NEW STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON A SINGLE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE AT THE SUBJECT ADDRESS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH C. STAFF RECOMMENDS IN KIND REPAIRS OF A LOW SLOPE FLAT ROOF IF A METAL ROOF WAS APPROVED. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE STIPULATIONS THAT APPEARS TO BE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR NEW METAL ROOFS. UH, THIS CASE COMES TO US AS A COMPLIANCE CASE. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS STOPPED WORK ONCE RECEIVING THE, UH, STOP WORK ORDER. UH, I HAVE THE APPLICANT ANTHONY, ON THE LINE. ANTHONY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UM, EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION? SURE. I'M, I'M ANTHONY GUDO, UH, JUNIOR IN MY OFFICE OUT OF SEVEN 18, UH, LABOR. AND, UM, HE USED TO BE MY FATHER'S OFFICE BEFORE HE PASSED AWAY. AND, UM, WELL WE KIND OF JUST TOOK IT OVER AND I HAVE A, A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, BUT WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THIS ROOF SINCE DAY ONE. AND, UH, THE, I GUESS THE, THE LEFT FINAL STRAW, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY WAS, UH, AFTER IT SNOWED IN FEBRUARY, THE ROOF JUST, JUST REALLY COMPLETELY FAILED. SO I WAS, IT WAS AN URGENT THING I NEEDED TO DO, ESPECIALLY AS THE WEATHER CHANGED AND IT STARTED RAINING MORE, UH, IT GOT REALLY BAD AND I HAD TO DO SOMETHING FAST. IT WAS URGENT TO, IT WAS DAMAGING MY, THE STUFF THAT I HAVE FOR MY OFFICE AND MY DAY TO DAY, OH, OFFICE NEEDS WAS JUST GETTING DAMAGED TOO MUCH AND I HAD TO DO SOMETHING RATHER QUICKLY. BUT I HAD SOME TRUSSES, UH, DESIGNED BY SAN ANTONIO TRUSSES BY AN ENGINEER, AND UH, WHEN HE LOOKED AT MY ROOF, THEY TOLD ME THAT THAT WAS THE, THE MINIMAL FAULT THEY COULD GIMME IS THE, WHAT I WAS PROCEEDING TO PUT UP, UM, AND WAS WHEN I WAS STOPPED. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, IT WAS A TWO AND 12 SLOPE AND I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN, UH, WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, BUT REALLY I DIDN'T HAVE ANY, REALLY, DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF A SLOPE AT ALL. THE, THE ROOF WAS DONE, UH, VERY, I DON'T KNOW, IT WOULDN'T PASSCODE AND IT WAS JUST A, A BADLY DONE ROOF AND SOMEBODY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO ROOFS. AND ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS MAKE IT RIGHT FOR I COULD, UH, RUN MY BUSINESS WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT EVERY TIME IT RAINED, I NEED, I NEEDED THAT SLOPE TO GET THE WATER TO DRAIN OFF THE ROOF. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, CORY, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN [03:20:01] COMMENTS? WE DO NOT. OKAY. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH? YES. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. WHAT ABOUT, UH, WHAT CHANGES OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL ROOF HAVE BEEN DONE THAT WE SEE BENEATH THE INSTALLED TRUSSES? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE BENEATH THOSE TRUSSES AND HOW ARE THOSE TRUSSES INSTALLED? WELL, THEY'RE SITTING ON LOAD BUILDING WALLS AND, UH, THE TRUSSES ARE FINE AND THE WOOD STRUCTURE IS FINE IN CERTAIN PLACES AND OTHER PLACES WE'RE JUST GONNA REPLACE WHAT HAD WATER DAMAGE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING WAS FINE. I HAD AN ENGINEER, UH, GIVE, ALSO PROVIDE ME WITH A LETTER, SEND TO THE STRUCTURE WAS OKAY FOR, FOR THE TRUSSES AND THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM, UH, BEARING THE LOAD OF THE TRUSSES. OKAY. SO, SO MORE SPECIFICALLY, ARE THESE TRUSSES SITTING ON TOP OF THE PREVIOUS ROOF OR HAS THE PREVIOUS ROOF BEEN PARTIALLY REMOVED? NO, THE, THE, THERE WERE TWO ROOFS, UH, ON THE STRUCTURE BEFORE THAT. I, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO, EXCEPT THEY WERE HAVING HAD PROBLEMS WITH GETTING THE DRAIN, THE WATER TO DRAIN OFF. BUT ANYWAY, UM, THERE IS NO ROOF ON THERE NOW. THERE'S JUST THE CEILING JOISTS. SO FROM THE, IN, FROM THE INTERIOR, IF THERE'S A SPOT WITH NO CEILING CEILING, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS YOU'RE LOOKING UP THROUGH THESE NEW, THESE NEW TRUSSES INTO THE BLACK TARP. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SORRY, IN OTHER WORDS, THE, THE IN THE ENCLOSURE ON YOUR BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS LIMITED TO THE BLACK TARP? UM, I'M, IF THERE'S NOTHING THERE, NO, THERE'S NOTHING THERE RIGHT NOW EXCEPT FOR THE TARPS. EXCEPT FOR THE TARPS. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. YEAH, I MEAN, WHEN I'M, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, WHAT'S, WHAT'S CAUSING ME TO ASK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS? IS THERE A SIGNIFICANT GAP BETWEEN THE EXISTING ROOF AND FASCIA AND THE TRUSS FACE? SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER. THE, WHEN I, IF, IF I'M ABLE TO DO WHAT I WAS PLANNING ON DOING TO BEGIN WITH, THAT LOWER BAR WILL BE REMOVED AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL ONLY STILL BE LIKE A, MAYBE A 10 INCH, UH, FACIAL BOARD ON THERE. IT WON'T BE DOUBLE. AND HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT OVERHANG AND FASCIA, HOW IS THAT OVERHANG AND FASCIA STRUCTURED RIGHT NOW? THE EXISTING PART? UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST KINDA LEVERED OUT THERE. IT'S SCABBED ON PIECES TO THE CEILING JOISTS. IT'S NOT EVEN A, UM, THEY'RE NOT TOGETHER. THEY'RE JUST S GABBED ON PIECES FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, WHICH ARE FALLING APART. BUT, UH, THE TRUSSES WOULD ELIMINATE THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ONE WHOLE UNIT FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO, FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AND PREVIOUSLY THE WATERSHED KIND OF A RIDGE AND IT SHED BOTH TO THE FRONT AND THE BACK, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, JUST TO THE FRONT. ALWAYS TO THE FRONT. OKAY. RIGHT. A QUESTION ABOUT REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING SOFFIT AND FASCIA. DOES THE STONE WORK EXTEND UP TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE NEW WOOD TRESSES? UM, YES, THEY WOULD. THERE'S A, THERE'S ALSO A, A SOFFIT AND THERE'S A SOME TRIM UP UNDER THE SST AS WELL. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED. I MEAN, UH, I THINK BOTH COMMISSIONER FISH AND OUR CHAIRMAN IS REALLY DOING SOME VALID QUESTIONS. UM, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST ACCEPTING, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION ON TOP LIKE THAT. AND ALSO, UH, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME HOW THE FINISH IS AT THE END WHERE THERE'S THAT, I MEAN, IT'S A 90 DEGREE, THERE'S JUST NO FINISH. AND HOW, WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE BUILDING? YEAH. AND RIGHT THERE THERE'S WATER GONNA BE, WHERE'S THAT WATER THEN GOING? I MEAN, ARE WE JUST MITIGATING THE PROBLEM OR ARE WE ALSO TRYING TO FIND A [03:25:01] SOLUTION LONG TERM FOR THE BEST? UH, THIS, UH, THIS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ TO COMMISSIONER GROUP'S COMMENTS, UH, JUST TO TRY TO BE AS FORTHRIGHT, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, UH, DESIGNED SOLUTION AND IF IT IS A DESIGN SOLUTION, IT'S NOT BEING PRESENTED AS A DESIGN SOLUTION WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO IT'S KIND OF TREATED LIKE A BUILDING THAT HAS A SOLUTION AS IF IT WASN'T AN AREA THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GODFATHER OF RESTRICTIVE NEIGHBORHOODS, SO IT'D BE KIND OF HARD TO IT. IT'S HARD TO GIVE A READING ON THIS WITHOUT HAVING A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN WITH RESPECT TO THE BUILDING AND THE LANGUAGE THAT THE BUILDING IS KINDA TELLING YOU BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS, RIGHT. THAT YOU CAN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS TO IT. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE TRUSSES ON THERE. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S SO FAR OFF FROM WHERE IT SHOULD BE. I WOULD JUST THINK TO BE AS HONEST WITH YOU AS POSSIBLE, UM, IT, IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO, UM, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH COMMISSIONERS AND HAVE A HEART TO HEART CONSULTATION SO THEY CAN BE JUST KIND OF STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH YOU, UH, ABOUT WHY THIS WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC, WHY WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED IS PROBLEMATIC. BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD, I I THINK WHAT WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'LL END UP WITH IS A DENIAL IN A, IN A DEMOCRATIC VOTE. I LEAVE TO COMMISSIONERS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. THE DRAWINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WERE PREPARED, WERE THEY PREPARED BEFORE OR AFTER YOU DID WORK ON IT? BECAUSE WHAT IS REALLY MISSING FROM THEM ARE SECTIONAL DETAILS THAT WOULD EXPLAIN HOW THINGS ARE COMING TOGETHER. UM, THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF OUR, UM, CHAIRMAN AND THE COMMISSIONER FISH AND GROUP AND AND LUCA ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A, A, UH, SORT OF A UNRESOLVED ASPECT TO THIS. WERE THOSE DRAWINGS DONE KIND OF AFTER THE FACT? WELL, I, I HAD THE DRAWINGS MADE UP WHEN I NEEDED TO PRESENT ELEVATION DRAWINGS AND I HAD 'EM DONE, YES, I DID. OKAY. BUT, UH, BECAUSE I SEE IT'S, I NEEDED, I'M SORRY, I DID NOT KNOW I NEEDED ELEVATION DRAWINGS OR ANY DRAWINGS AT ALL FOR THAT MATTER, BUT I PROVIDED 'EM AS SOON AS I WAS AWARE OF IT AND HAD 'EM DONE. YEAH. SO ANY, ANY CONSTRUCTION WORK IN THE CITY LIMITS NEEDS TO BE PERMITTED AND YOU NEED TO HAVE DOCUMENTS FOR THAT. SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY ESSENTIAL. WELL, I HAD APPLIED, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I APPLIED FOR MY PERMIT, BUT LIKE I SAID, THESE RAINS STARTED AND THEY'RE REALLY BAD AND I, I HAD TO DO SOMETHING. THIS IS AN URGENT MATTER. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT I COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, WELL, OKAY, I'LL WAIT MY TURN AND JUST TAKE MY TIME AND LET THINGS GO THE WAY THEY ARE. AS SINCE THIS HAS ALL HAPPENED, I'VE GOT TREMENDOUS, UH, AMOUNTS OF WATER IN MY BUILDING THAT I'M, I'M JUST SITTING HERE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'M, I'M BEING HELD UP BY HISTORIC, WHICH I COMPLIED TO EVERYTHING TO ASK FOR, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN DO OTHER THAN I'M JUST TRYING TO FIX MY ROOF WITHOUT NOT HAVING, WITHOUT HAVING TO FIX IT EVERY SIX MONTHS. THIS IS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY. I THINK HAVING THE ROOF OPEN IS DANGEROUS FOR THE STRUCTURE, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE ON OUR HANDS. WHAT'S HARDER TO DO IS FIGURE OUT A WAY FORWARD. AND I, AND I WANNA EXPLAIN THE TWO ELEMENTS THAT, WELL, THERE'S THREE ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT. ONE OF THEM IS THE PRESERVATION OF THE ELEVATIONS. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UH, NEAR FLAT ROOF ON THE, THE OVERHANG ACROSS THE FRONT AND THE CONDITION THAT WE SEE ACROSS THE SIDE FROM THE, THE EXTENT OF THE OVERHANG BACK PRIMARY FACE, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, UH, MOST IMPORTANT BIT TO PRESERVE THE WAY THAT THE TRUSSES ARE COMING PAST THE WALL TO FRAME THE OVERHANG AT A DIFFERENT ELEVATION THAN THE OVERHANG EXISTS. WHICH I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY THE PREVIOUS ROOF IS SO MUCH LOWER THAN THE CONDITION OF THE TRUST, [03:30:01] THE POSITION OF THE TRUST RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE. SO, SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION YET, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INTERVENTION ON THE ROOF THAT COULD BE MADE TO SECURE THE BUILDING, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT INTERVENTION WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXTERIOR WALLS AND NOT INTERFERE WITH AWNINGS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE AWNINGS MIGHT NEED TO BE RECONSTRUCTED OR REPLACED OVER TIME, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S COMMONLY DONE ON STRUCTURES LIKE THIS. UH, MY QUESTION, QUESTION AND RELATED, WELL, IT RELATES TO THAT IS ARE THE TRUSSES THAT YOU ORDERED MODIFIABLE OR IS THIS A TICKET OR LEAVE IT CONDITION? LIKE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT ROOM WE HAVE TO BRING THIS INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE URGENT MATTER AT HAND. WELL, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT GUIDELINES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, BUT UH, THE OVERHANG IS PART OF THE ROOF. IT'S NOT A SEPARATE OVERHANG. WELL, THIS TOGETHER, THIS COMMISSIONER VELA, SEE, WHAT, WHAT I'M HAVING, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THE URGENCY, BECAUSE NOW I KNOW THAT WE CAN GET IT IN AN URGENT SITUATION, BUT THERE'S A LEAD TIME FOR A TRUST. SO THERE WAS A THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WENT INTO THE IDEA OF PUTTING A TRUST AND THE TIME THAT IT TOOK TO MANUFACTURE THE TRUST, THE DELIVERY, THE INSTALLATION. SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WAS AN URGENT ISSUE BECAUSE THE ROOF ISSUE EXISTED BEFORE THE TRUSSES GOT PUT ON THE ROOF. SO IT, IT'S MORE, IT SEEMS TO ME MORE AN ISSUE OF A MODIFICATION. SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, GAVE YOU THE IDEA THAT IF YOU INCREASE THE SLOPE TO A MAXIMUM CAPABILITY, RIGHT, THAT, THAT YOU GET THE WATER OFF THE ROOF RIGHT AWAY AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ROOF ISSUES, WHICH IS A SOLUTION. BUT THAT'S NOT A SOLUTION THAT I COULD EVER SEE A MAJORITY VOTE VOTING FOR BECAUSE TECH TYPICALLY, I WOULD THINK THAT YOUR BEST SOLUTION WOULD'VE BEEN TO DIRECT YOUR WATER FROM THE FLAT ROOF AND THAT FOR ALL THAT EXPENSE, SOMEONE WOULD'VE DIRECTED YOU TO USE A P V C OR A MODIFIED BITUS ROOF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN TOTALLY WATERTIGHT, BUT YOU WOULD'VE HAD TO MAINTAIN THE HORIZONTAL LIST OF THAT ROOF. RIGHT? SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT THAT, UH, STAFF IS THIS, IS THIS A COMPLIANCE, UH, UH, CASE OR IS THIS A, WHAT KIND OF CASE IS THIS RIGHT. WORKER STARTED, THIS IS A COMPLIANCE CASE. IT'S A COMPLIANCE CASE. WELL, UH, SIR, IF YOU'RE IN A, IF YOU'RE IN A, IN A H D R C RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT THE, AN EXTENDED BENEFIT OPPORTUNITY TO YOU WOULD BE THAT A COMMISSIONER MAKE A MOTION TO SEND IT TO A D R C UNLESS CORY, THERE'S A TIMELINE ASSOCIATED WITH A COMPLIANCE CASE THAT MANDATES THAT THE, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PUT IT AT SOME DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE IF, IF NOT, THEN IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO TAKE IT TO A, AN ANOTHER SITUATION BECAUSE EVEN AS A MANUFACTURED TRUST, YOU COULD'VE GOT A MUCH THINNER PRODUCT THAN THAT AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN, I MEAN, IT SEEMED LIKE THE PROBLEM WAS CREATED. YOU'RE COMPLETELY RIGHT. I MOVED THIS TO MOVE TO A D R C AND I THINK WE NEED A CONVERS, DEEPER CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? YES. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. QUEZ AYE. ZOOM RUN. AYE. CARPENTER AYE GROUP. AYE THAT SIR? AYE LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. AT THIS TIME, [Items 22 & 23] WE NEED TO MOVE TO THE EMERGENCY, UH, HEARING AND SO, UH, STAFF HAS CONTACTED THE LAST TWO APPLICANTS TO SAY THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE THEIR CASES, UH, TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING. SO I NEED A MOTION FOR THAT TO MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I MOVE, UH, TO, UH, DIRECT CASES NUMBER 22 AND 23, 2 43 NORTH DRIVE AND 1907 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE H D R C HEARING, THIS IS GABRIEL. I WILL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AYE. ERON AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. AYE. BE SIR. AYE. . AYE. AND QUICKLY, WE ALSO HAVE [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for May 19, 2021.] MEETING MINUTES THAT WERE ON THIS AGENDA FROM MAY 19TH. [03:35:02] YOU APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 19TH, 2021. COMMISSIONER, GIVE I SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. OKAY. [6:00 P.M. – Call to Order; Emergency meeting will occur no sooner than 6:00 pm following completion of regularly-posted agenda] UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE OVER TO OUR EMERGENCY AGENDA. UM, CHAIR GONNA GET A CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ FISH. AYE. GIBBS HERE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. OLA, I IN HERE. ERON HERE. CARPENTER HERE GROUP. AYE. YES. HERE. BOWMAN, . BOWMAN, THAT SIR? HERE. LA HERE. OKAY. FORUM IS PRESENT. UM, [21-4178 Discussion and recommendation regarding emergency demolition orders affecting the property at 821 W Commerce, Whitt Print Co. Building, and alternatives including but not limited to building stabilization.] SO THIS ITEM IS A DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ORDERS AFFECTING THE PROPERTY AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE, KNOWN AS THE WITT PRINT COMPANY BUILDING AND ALTERNATIVES FOR BUILDING STABILIZATION. UM, FOR BACKGROUND ON FRIDAY, MAY 28TH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOUND THAT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE STRUCTURE PRESENTED AN IMMINENT THREAT TO LIFE AND SAFETY, DECLARED AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION DUE TO LONG-TERM NEGLECT BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS HISTORIC. CITY CODE ALLOWS 72 HOURS TO NOTIFY STAKEHOLDERS AND ASSESS OPTIONS TO STABILIZE THE BUILDING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE H D R C. UM, A NEW ENGINEER'S ASSESSMENT WAS COMPLETED ON, ON FRIDAY AND PROVIDED MORE INFORMATION ON THE CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE AND FOUND THAT THE CONCRETE FRAME OF THE STRUCTURE IS INDEED STABLE. UM, THE CITY HAS PLACED SECURITY FENCING AND BARRICADES, WHICH HAVE ALLOWED FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO PLAN THIS EMERGENCY H TO SECURING AND EXPLORE STABILIZATION OPTIONS. UM, AS YOU'RE AWARE, A SEPARATE REQUEST FOR REMOVE THE STORED DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY WAS CONTINUED BY THE ZONING COMMISSION YESTERDAY AND WILL NOT BE HEARD AGAIN UNTIL JULY 6TH. UM, WE'LL BEGIN HERE TONIGHT, UM, WITH EXPERT TE TESTIMONY. UM, ON THE ITEM, UM, ON THE CALL, WE HAVE MIKE SHANNON, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE LARRY RICKLES, A PROFESSIONAL STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WITH DATA ENGINEERS WHO PROVIDED THE MOST RECENT STUDY, UM, AS WELL AS PATRICK CHRISTENSEN REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AS WELL AS OUR OWN DIRECTOR, SHANNON MILLER. UM, SO FOLLOWING INITIAL DISCUSSION, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, THOSE WITNESSES, UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE ITEMS AS WELL, A FEW LIVE CALLERS. UM, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO MIKE SHANNON, UH, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THANK YOU CORY. AND, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS, UH, FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT. UM, I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE ATYPICAL, UH, BUT, UM, I I WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THIS AND CERTAINLY IF YOU GET YOUR INPUT. UM, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS MIKE SHANNON. UH, I AM THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND IN THAT ROLE I SERVE AS THE CITY'S BUILDING AND SO OFFICIAL, AS COREY HAD MENTIONED, I KNOW, UH, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT, YOU'RE VERY AWARE OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, UH, MY STAFF RECEIVED, UM, WE WAS CONTACTED LAST WEEK, UH, MIDDLE OF LAST WEEK, AND, UH, SAID THE STRUCTURE HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME ADDITIONAL DAMAGE AND SOME CONCERN, UH, THAT CAUSED MY STAFF, UH, UH, BUILDING INSPECTORS AND CODE OFFICERS TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. SO OVER THE THREE DAYS, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, AND FRIDAY, UH, MY STAFF AND I CONDUCTED, UM, SEVERAL INFECTIONS OF THE BUILDING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DETERMINED BY, BY ME IN CONSULTATION WITH MY STAFF TO CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR AND OTHERS. UH, BUT THERE'S A SAFETY HAZARD, UH, AND, AND A PRETTY SEVERE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. THIS BUILDING, WHILE VACANT, UM, HAS, HAS SUSTAINED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO THE ROOF STRUCTURE. ABOUT A THIRD OF IT HAS ALREADY COLLAPSED INTO IT, IN INSIDE, UM, SO WHICH HAS CAUSED THOSE WALLS, UH, THAT, THAT FACE HOUSTON STREET AND ON THE EAST SIDE, UH, UH, THE WALLS TO BE COMPROMISED. SO, UM, I, UH, I ENACTED THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT, UM, UH, PORTION OF OUR CODE THAT'S IN CHAPTER SIX OF OUR CITY CODE. UH, CERTAINLY IN CONSULTATION WITH SHANNON MILLER AND, AND, AND AS THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE, I KNOW WE DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT, UH, IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. I THINK WE ALL AGREE, UH, THE SAFETY OF ANY STRUCTURE AND OF COURSE THE PEOPLE AROUND IT, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED, NEED TO TO ADDRESS, UH, VERY QUICKLY, UH, AS CORY MENTIONED, THAT INITIATED A PROCESS. UH, THERE'S SHANNON MILLER HERE, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. BUT, UH, THERE'S BEEN NOTIFICATION TO A LARGE GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS, UH, BOTH IN THE HISTORIC, UH, COMMUNITY, UM, UH, H D R C MEMBERS, YOURSELF, UH, HISTORIC CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND OTHERS. I'LL LET YOU IN AND SPEAK TO THAT. UH, AND AS WELL AS A LICENSED STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. AND MR. RIPPLE, [03:40:01] I KNOW IS, UH, IS ON THE PHONE. HE PRODUCED A, A VERY QUICK VISUAL ANALYSIS OF IT AND, UH, CAME UP WITH SOME OF THE SIMILAR CONCLUSIONS THAT WE HAD, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY SPECIAL FRAME IS, HAS, UH, IS, IS GENERALLY OKAY. IT'S, IT'S THE WALLS, UH, AND THE, THE STOREFRONT RIGHT ON THE STREET AND SIDEWALK, UM, THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN NOW IS THAT PROCESS WHICH DICTATES WHAT COULD AND SHOULD BE REASONABLY OR FEASIBLY DONE, UH, TO PROTECT THIS EITHER STRUCTURE AND OR THOSE AROUND IT. AND, UH, SO THIS, THIS, UH, MEETING TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, AS THE CITY'S BUILDING OFFICIAL I'M LOOKING FOR, FOR YOU ALL TO, UH, YOU KNOW, HELP ME, YOU KNOW, BY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AS YOU, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY STABILIZE, UH, THE BUILDING, UH, AND OR PORTION OF THE BUILDING. UH, BUT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS SAFE. UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S SAFE RIGHT NOW, AND I'M CONCERNED, UH, AS, AS CORY HAD MENTIONED, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED, UM, TO, UH, PUT A FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE STREET. UM, UH, HALF OF HOUSTON STREET IS BLOCKED OFF, UH, FOR A TEMPORARY, UH, SAFETY SOLUTION. BUT, UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND, UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, THAT, THAT WANT TO, UM, TO WEIGH IN. AND I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR ASSISTANCE. SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE. I'M, I'M FORCED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND, UH, WITH THAT I THINK I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, UH, GIVE IT BACK TO COREY OR, OR IF COREY, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE IT TO SHANNON. I'LL LET HER SPEAK A LITTLE BIT. YES. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU, MIKE. UM, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, SO YEAH, AS WE KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION OR QUESTIONS ABOUT LIKE WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING CONSIDERED TODAY, BECAUSE ON MAY 5TH, THE H D R C ALREADY, UM, AND REGARDING A, A DEMOLITION REQUEST AND A D DESIGNATION REQUEST. UM, BUT THIS IS REALLY A DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION. SO, UM, TODAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT THAT NEW INFORMATION, UM, PROVIDED BY D S D STAFF AND THEN OF COURSE BY THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, AND THEN, UM, RECOMMEND A PLAN FOR ADDRESSING THOSE DANGEROUS CONDITIONS IN LIGHT OF THAT EMERGENCY ORDER. UM, HAVING THIS EMERGENCY HEARING AS PART OF THIS CODIFIED EMERGENCY DEMOLITION PROCESS ALSO ALLOWS FOR MORE TRANS FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY IN THIS, IN THE, IN THE RESOLUTION AND GIVES THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. UM, AS MIKE MENTIONED, UH, WE DID, UPON RECEIVING THE, UM, EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ORDER, WE DID NOTIFY STAKEHOLDERS AS REQUIRED BY THE CODE, INCLUDING THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, THE, UM, HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, AND THEN OTHER, UM, STAKEHOLDER GROUPS LIKE AS SUCH AS, UH, THE WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE, UH, THE HISTORIC, UH, WEST SIDE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION AND, AND OTHER, UM, SIMILAR NEARBY ORGANIZATIONS. UM, IN PARTICULAR, WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY WHO HIRED, UM, MR. RICKLES, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT YOU WILL HEAR FROM IN A, IN A MOMENT, AND TO HELP DEVELOP A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT WOULD BALANCE, UM, PRESERVATION OF THE BUILDING WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND SO WE KNOW WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON A REMEDY THAT DEALS WITH THE MOST HAZARDOUS CONDITIONS, UM, WHICH ARE THE ROOF AND, UH, THE C M U INFILL PORTIONS OF THE WALLS, AND THEN CONSIDER THE PRESERVATION OF THE, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURE AND THE HISTORIC FACADE. UM, WE KNOW FROM THE ENGINEER'S LETTER THAT THE ROOF SYSTEM HAS FAILED AND THAT THE OVERALL, UH, CONCRETE FRAME IS, IS INTACT IN FAIRLY SOUND CONDITION, AND WE KNOW THAT THE FACADE IN PARTICULAR IS, IS CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE BUILDING. UM, SO, SO WE RECOMMEND THAT THE FULL CONCRETE STRUCTURE IS PRESERVED, EMBRACED ALONG WITH THE, WITH THE FACADE, UM, AND THAT THE UNSTABLE ROOF, THE DEBRIS INSIDE, OF COURSE, AND THE C M U INFO WALLS ARE REMOVED. UM, THIS MAINTAINS THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURAL PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS. IT ALSO CREATES MORE OPEN VISIBILITY ON THE SITE BY REMOVING THE C M U INFILL WALLS. BECAUSE THE C M U WALLS HAVE LIKELY BEEN MODIFIED PREVIOUSLY, UM, STAFF FINDS THAT THEY COULD BE REMOVED WITHOUT GREATLY IMPACTING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT ANY FUTURE USE FOR THE BUILDING WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE APPROPRIATE MODIFICATIONS TO THE INFILL SECTIONS TO ACCOMMODATE WINDOWS AND OTHER FENESTRATION REGARDLESS. UM, PRESERVING THE FULL CONCRETE STRUCTURAL FA FRAME, SO ALL FIVE BAYS, NOT JUST THE FIRST STRUCTURAL BAY, UM, AND THE FRONT FACADE WOULD MAKE REHAB AND REUSE OF THE BUILDING A VIABLE OPTION IN THE FUTURE. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE OWNER HAVE [03:45:01] BOTH, UM, EXPRESSED SUPPORT OF THIS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT I, I WILL MENTION, I DON'T KNOW IF COREY SAID THIS, BUT, UM, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IS ACTUALLY ON A BIT OF A TIME CRUNCH, SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF WHY WE WANT TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT HE'S AVAILABLE, UM, FOR YOU UNTIL TO, TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS REPORT. AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE A FEW LIVE CALLERS, AND SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS FROM THEM LATER ON WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE WANTED, UH, TO MAKE THIS GROUP AVAILABLE FOR Q AND A, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME CRUNCH. I, I HAVE A QUESTION, COREY, THIS IS COMMISSIONER . UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE IS, UM, THERE IS A SOLUTION PRESENTED THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, SUPPORTED BY THE OWNER AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND, UM, EDWARD, IF YOU CAN UNMUTE, UM, EDWARD HAS PATRICK CHRISTENSEN REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, AND, AND HE CAN SPEAK TO, UM, SORT OF THE OWNER'S AGREEMENT TO, TO THE PROPOSED PLAN. THIS IS PATRICK CHRISTENSEN. AM I ON? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. YES. COMMISSIONERS. GOOD EVENING. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. YES, IN, IN WORKING WITH STAFF AND MIKE SHANNON, WITH SHANNON SHAY MILLER. UM, WE WILL SUPPORT WHAT SHANNON SAID. I I MAY NEED TO GO WITH CLARIFICATION ON SOMETHING, BUT WE'LL SUPPORT MAINTAINING THE ORIGINAL CONCRETE BEAMS AND, AND COLUMNS, IF YOU WILL, ALL OF THEM ALL THE WAY BACK, SAVING THE FACADE, UM, AND SHORING UP THE FACADE SO THAT IT, IT, IT IS PROTECTED. ADDITIONALLY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SHANNON, I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND. WE WOULD GET PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH THE TWO STORY RED BRICK STRUCTURE AND BACK, IF NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. AND, AND IF WE CAN GET THAT FROM YOU TONIGHT, I WILL WITHDRAW THE REZONING IMMEDIATELY. I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE ALL WORKING WITH A LOT OF, LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS. I WOULD JUST REMIND THE COMMISSION WHILE I HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK THAT THE LYNN FAMILY ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPERS. THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IF A BUILDING IS STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND AND THEY, THEY, THEY CAN'T WALK THROUGH A SITE AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, DETERMINATION UPON THEMSELVES. A LOT HAS HAPPENED SINCE FEBRUARY WHEN THE SNOWSTORM, WHICH PROBABLY CAUSED THE ORIGINAL ROOF COLLAPSE IN THIS RAIN, WE'VE REALLY BEEN IN THE BIND TO TRY TO, TO FIX THE PROBLEM. THEY, THEY HAD ASSESSMENT DONE IN 2017 AND THE CONTRACTORS BASICALLY SAID, YOU CAN'T PUT A ROOF ON THIS. IT'S NOT WORTH IT, KIND OF A THING. SO THEY JUST KIND OF DROPPED IT AT THAT WEEK, AND WHEN THEY DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD, THEY HIRED ME TO WORK THEM THROUGH THIS, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO, AND IT'S BEEN UNFORTUNATE THEY'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF INSULTS, ETHNIC SLURS AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, AND THEY REALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET IT BEHIND THEM IN A WAY THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UM, HEAR FROM, UH, MR. RICKLES AND A BRIEF SUMMARY OF HIS, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING ANALYSIS OR REPORT. CERTAINLY, THIS IS LARRY RICKLES. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? RICKLES? YES, SIR. FANTASTIC. UM, YES. UM, I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH, UM, MS. MILLER AND, UH, CONSERVATION, UH, SOCIETY REVIEWED THE BUILDING THIS PAST FRIDAY AFTERNOON. UM, AND INDEED FROM THE PHOTOS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE EASTERN HALF OF THE ROOF HAS COLLAPSED. UM, BASICALLY ALL OF THE WOOD COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING ARE, UH, HAVE EITHER COLLAPSED OR, OR ARE NEAR THAT POINT. THEY'RE IN POOR CONDITION, THE CONCRETE PORTIONS AND ALSO THE, UH, MASONRY INFILL SEEMS TO BE IN, IN REASONABLE SHAPE, IF NOT GOOD SHAPE. UM, SO AND CONSIDERING THAT CONCRETE FRAME AS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS IN GOOD SHAPE. OKAY. YEAH. THE PROPOSAL TO REMOVE THE INFILL, UM, IS, IS, IS A VIABLE PROPOSAL. YOU MAY NEED A LITTLE MORE STUDY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SUPPLEMENTAL BRACING EVEN AT THAT POINT. UM, MY, UH, UM, JUST MY JUDGMENT OF THE BUILDING WOULD, WOULD MEAN THAT I, I WOULD, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT IT WOULD NOT LIKELY BE NEED TO, NEED TO BE SUPPLEMENTALLY BRACED IF ALL OF THE, UH, INFILL WERE REMOVED, BUT I'D LIKE A CHANCE TO DO A LITTLE MORE INVESTIGATION BEFORE, UH, BEFORE STATING THAT [03:50:01] FORMALLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. COULD I ASK A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, TO THE ENGINEER MM-HMM. , UM, IN TERMS OF REMOVAL OF THE INFILL TO REDUCE THE WIND LOADS ON THE, THE SIDE FACADES, WOULD IT, WOULD IT MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE IF THE INFILL PANEL'S CLOSEST TO THE STREET OR THE REAR WHERE THERE IS KIND OF A RIGHT ANGLE TURN IN THAT FRAME WHERE WE'RE LEFT INTACT? OR DOES IT REALLY REQUIRE ALL OF THE PANELS TO BE REMOVED? I THINK LEAVING THE INFILL, OR IT INCREASES THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE WOULD NEED SOME SUPPLEMENTARY BRACING. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE, THE PRIMARY IMPACT WE WOULD ALSO NEED. THERE'S, UH, WAS NOT ABLE TO, UM, ACCESS, UH, THE, UM, SORT OF THE TOP OF THE WALL, WHICH WE WOULD NEED TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER SO THAT WE COULD DETERMINE HOW THAT MASONRY IS ATTACHED TO THE CONCRETE. I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVESTIGATE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA LEAVE ANY OF THE MASONRY, UH, IN PLACE. AND THE, THE PARAPET, KIND OF THE PARAPET ALONG THOSE SIDES, I BELIEVE THAT'S BUILT UP C M U, UM, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD NEED FURTHER STUDY TO SEE IF THAT COULD, COULD BE LEFT INTACT, CORRECT? YEAH, THE PARAPET ACTUALLY, THERE'S, THERE'S NO DIFFERENT LOAD ON THE PARAPET AT THE MOMENT THAN THERE HAS BEEN. UM, THE FACT THAT THE ROOF IS OPEN NOW MEANS THAT THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE IN LOADING ON THE, ON THE INFILL WALLS. UH, THE BUILDING AS A WHOLE, UH, WOULD RECEIVE THE, THE EXTERIOR WALLS WOULD RECEIVE LESS WIND LOAD THAN THE BUILDING BEING OPEN. THE PARAPET IS A DIFFERENT STORY. THE PARAPET, UH, THE, THE PRESENT BOWS ON THE PARAPET ARE THE SAME, WHETHER THE BUILDING'S OPEN OR CLOSED. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THESE WITNESSES? CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I HAVE A YES, SIR. A QUESTION FOR THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER REGARDING THE REAR TWO STORY ADDITION. UM, I KNOW THE, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT THAT. DOES IT IMPINGE ONE WAY OR OR THE OTHER ON THE HEALTH OF, OF THE, UH, OF THE, THE FRONT STRUCTURE? IF WE, UH, IF THAT IS SELECTIVELY REMOVED, IS THERE CONCERNS ABOUT VIBRATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY THAT WOULD BE NEED TO BE STUDIED? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN THE, THOSE TWO STRUCTURES THAT WAS OBSERVED WHILE I WAS THERE. UM, I I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T BE CONCERNED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER CONCERN ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL INCREASED BULGING IN THE FOUNDATION IF MORE OF THE, THE ROOF, UH, STRUCTURES REMOVED? UM, I, I SAW IN YOUR REPORT, YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS AN AREA THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS RELATED TO, UH, A LOSS OF ROOF MATERIAL THAT, UH, THERE WAS SOME BULGING IN THE SLAB. WOULD WE FACE THAT, UH, BASICALLY POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ENTIRE FIVE BAYS OF THE STRUCTURE? ONCE THE, ONCE THE ROOF IS OPEN, YOU WOULD, HOWEVER, I ALSO SAID THAT THE SLAB IS NOT A PART OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURAL SYSTEM, SO I THINK YOU WOULD, UH, YOU WOULD SEE THAT IT WOULD CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE. HOWEVER, I DO NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. OKAY. AND, AND FINAL QUESTION. I THINK I SAID THE LAST ONE WAS THE FINAL QUESTION, BUT THIS ONE THE QUESTION, UM, IS DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO DO ANY KIND OF SELECTIVE DEMOLITION OF THAT INTERIOR SLAB TO ASCERTAIN THE CONDITION OF THE PERIMETER FOUNDATION? UH, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UH, TO THE, TO THE STRUCTURE. IF, UM, MY INTENTIONS WERE FOR FURTHER STUDY WOULD BE TO DISCOUNT THE FOUNDATIONS AND, AND RELY SOLELY ON THE SUPERSTRUCTURE AND ITS CAPACITY, UH, INVESTIGATION, THE FOUNDATIONS WOULD CERTAINLY BE WELCOME. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. YES. UH, THIS CHAIRMAN FETZER AGAIN, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRONT FACADE, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. A LOT OF IT BEING, UH, WOOD FRAMED WITH WOOD PANELS. UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PRESERVE THAT IN PLACE, POSSIBLY DOING SOME MORE PLYWOOD ON THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE [03:55:01] SANDWICHING THE HISTORIC STOREFRONT BETWEEN THEM SO THAT THE HISTORIC MATERIAL ISN'T LOST, UH, SO THAT WE COULD REPLICATE THE, UH, DETAILING OF IT IN THE FUTURE? WOULD THAT CAUSE AN ISSUE STRUCTURALLY, IF WE BASICALLY ENCASE IT WITH, UH, PLYWOOD, WHICH WOULD ALSO PROTECT IT, PROTECT THE, UH, THE PUBLIC AS WELL? I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD MAKE, THAT WOULD, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE ANY DETRIMENT TO THE STRUCTURE. I, UM, I YOU, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU, UH, REVIEW THAT CLOSER IN DETAIL BEFORE YOU WENT TO THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT LEFT OF THE, OF THE WOOD AT THAT AREA. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR, AFTER WE GO THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENTS, THEN COMMISSIONER COMMENTS OCCUR RIGHT? NOT BEFORE, RIGHT? CORRECT. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND START. UM, WE HAVE RICK, WAIT, CORY, BEFORE YOU START, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS CLEAR THAT MR. RICKLES HAS TO LEAVE, SO HE WON'T BE HERE ONCE WE COMPLETE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS FOR HIM, NOW'S THE TIME. THAT RIGHT. I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. WELL, SINCE YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK A VERY CLEAR, ASK FOR A VERY CLEAR ANSWER, UM, USING JUST REGULAR WORDS, RIGHT? REGULAR WORDS ARE LIKE, CAN STAY, SHOULD BE TORN DOWN, YOU KNOW, REGULAR WORDS MM-HMM. , THE, THE, UH, LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING IN, IN, IN ITS THREE PARTS, RIGHT? AND IT COULD BE SEEN AS TWO PARTS, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN IT. OH, UH, WHAT ARE, UH, WHAT DO, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IS, UH, IS A REAL, ASIDE FROM THE WOOD FALLING IN, IN THE BUILDING WITH RE RESPECT TO THE MASONRY RECONSTRUCTION, WHAT, WHAT HERE ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT NEEDS TO COME DOWN? BECAUSE IT'S GONNA, THAT IT POSES A THREAT TO SAFETY OF, I WOULD SAY THAT THE FRONT FACADE IN ITS CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE THAT THAT, UH, THAT POSES A THREAT. IT IS, IS NOT, NOT COMPETENT AT THE MOMENT. THE FRONT FACADE, YES, THE FACADE WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE, ON THE SCREEN. OKAY. THAT THE WOOD COMPONENTS OF THAT NEED TO BE, NEED TO BE BRACED TO THE BUILDING IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRESERVED. OKAY. NOW, WELL, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, AT THAT MASONRY FACADE, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MASONRY FACADE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WOOD ELEMENTS. THAT'S THE WOOD ELEMENTS ON THIS, ON THE, IN THE IMAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON SCREEN. OKAY. CAN STAFF, UH, UH, TURN THIS PICTURE TO THE SIDE IMAGE? OKAY. AND NOW LOOKING AT THIS SITE, WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US? I DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE MASONRY AND THE CONCRETE FRAME TO SAY WHETHER THAT'S PRESENTLY STABLE. OKAY. SO I, IT, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE OPEN STATE OF THE ROOF, UM, ADDS LOAD TO THE EAST FACADE OF THE BUILDING IF IT, IF IT IS SOLID. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. THAT FACADE. OKAY. NOW HOW ABOUT THE RED FART? I WAS NOT ASKED TO EVALUATE THE, THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE IN THE BACKGROUND. MM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. ? SURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. RICKLES [04:00:01] WHILE WE STILL HAVE HIM? OKAY, THANK YOU. MAY WE PROCEED WITH, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MR. RICKLES, IF YOU WOULD STAY ON AS LONG AS YOU CAN IN CASE SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, WE DO HAVE A FEW WRITTEN COMMENTS FOLLOWED BY VOICEMAILS WE'LL PLAY NEXT. UM, THEN WE HAVE A FEW LIVE CALLERS AS WELL. UM, ACTUALLY LET ME GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THE SUMMARY. THERE ARE 26 VOICEMAILS THAT WILL BE PLAYED. UM, 14 ARE IN SUPPORT OF DEMOLITION, 12 ARE IN OPPOSITION. UM, I AM GOING TO READ FIVE WRITTEN COMMENTS, AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR LIVE CALLERS. THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL THREE LETTERS NOW IN YOUR, UH, YOUR COMMISSION REVIEW FOLDER. SO THE FIRST COMES FROM DONNA GARRA, UH, HISTORIC RESEARCH ON THE BARRIO OF WHICH THE WITT BUILDING AT 8 21. WEST COMMERCE IS APART, IS GROWING THE, THE PRINTING BUSINESS OF GILBERTO BON BUNNY, VAIO WIT, BORN IN 1865, AND MONTEREY NUEVO LEONE, WHO IMMIGRATED TO SAN ANTONIO IN 1914 PLAYED AN ESSENTIAL ROLE IN THE SPANISH ENGLISH COMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY IN THE BARRIOS RICH HISTORY. THE WOOD BUILDING WAS DESIGNATED IN 1988 BASED ON SOLID CRITERIA. ALTERNATIVE METHODS, NOT DEMOLITION, MUST BE DETERMINED AND SUPPORTED BY CITY EFFORTS. WHEN THE LIM FAMILY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, IT ALREADY HAD DESIGN. IT WAS ALREADY, IT WAS ALREADY DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC, AND THE CITY MUST OFFER INCENTIVES TO SUPPORT THE LIM FAMILY AND THE RESPON AND THE, AND EXCUSE ME, LI FAMILY AND THEN THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. AND AT THE SAME TIME, HONOR OUR DISREGARDED WEST SIDE HISTORY. LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS MUST ALSO OPERATE WITHIN PROCESSES IN PLACE FOR HISTORIC PROPER, FOR HISTORIC PLACES, AND FOLLOW CORRECT PROCEDURES. WESTSIDE CULTURAL ASSETS INDICATED SINCE THE 1980S HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED WITH NO REGARD. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR OUR CITY. I APPEAL TO OUR CITY'S BRAIN POWER TO ARRIVE AT AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION TO ENSURE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND PRESERVATION OF THE WOOD BUILDING. UH, DONNA GARRA WESTSIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE MEMBER. UM, THE NEXT COMES FROM STEVEN. VER DE STRUCTURAL INSPECTION WAS ONLY VISIBLE SINCE ISSUES WERE FOUND, THERE SHOULD BE A FULL STRUCTURAL INSPECTION. THIS CAN ONLY BE DONE IF THE DEBRIS IS REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY. FAILURE TO PERFORM ROUTINE BUILDING MAINTENANCE SUCH AS FRONT ELEVATION, WOOD, AND ROOF REPAIR SHOULD NOT LEAD TO DEMOLITION. APPLICANT SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED FOR ALLOWING DEBRIS TO OBSCURE WHETHER THE BUILDING INTEGRITY IS SATISFACTORY. THIS FACTORY, THIS ENTIRE BUILDING MAY BE STRUCTURALLY SOUND. THE RECENT DEMOLITION WAS MENTIONED AT THE STRUCTURAL REPORT IS BECAUSE THE, UM, ENGINEER WAS ASKED TO INSPECT THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION STRUCTURE. NEXT CONCERN, PATTY ZIONS, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, OPPOSES THE DE-LISTING OF THE FORMER WHIT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING AT A 21 WEST COMMERCE FROM THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED NO EVIDENCE THAT THE BUILDING HAS LOST THOSE ELEMENTS AND MADE IT SIGNIFICANT WHEN THE, THAT MADE IT SIGNIFICANT WHEN ORIGINALLY LISTED. NOR HAVE THEY PROVIDED EVIDENCE OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, IT SHOULD REMAIN PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SECONDLY, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONTINUES TO OPPOSE THE WHOLESALE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING. REVIEWED THE BUILDING WITH A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ON FRIDAY LAST WEEK, AND CONCLUDED THAT THERE WAS NO IMMEDIATE DANGER OF COLLAPSE. THE REPORT CONFIRMED THAT THE FACADE COULD BE PRESERVED WITH ONE STRUCTURAL BAY OF THE CONCRETE FRAME. WHILE, WHILE WE PREFER AND RECOMMEND THAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE REMAIN IN PLACE FOR ECONOMIC AND STRUCTURAL REASONS, WE BELIEVE THE CONSERVATION OF THE FACADE, AND AT LEAST ONE FULL STRUCTURAL BAY TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THE EAST AND WEST WALLS WOULD ALLOW THE BUILDING TO RETAIN ITS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. UM, THE NEXT COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT. ON BEHALF OF AL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE PURPOSE OF OUR COMMENTS IS TO EXPRESS OUR OPPOSITION TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE, THE WITT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE IS NOT ONLY IN GOOD STRUCTURAL CONDITION, BUT IT RETAINS ITS HISTORIC CONTEXT. ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND SOCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO SAN ANTONIO, SAN ANTONIO HISTORY, THE BUILDING AND, AND ITS OCCUPANTS HISTORIES ARE WELL DOCUMENTED BY THE CI CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, CONSERVA CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THAT PLACES CONTRIBUTION TO SAN ANTONIO'S CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS MEASURABLY NOT NOTABLE. OUR POSITION ALSO TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE STUDY DEMOLITION ACTIVITIES DURING THE PAST DECADES SIMILAR TO THE HISTORIC EAST SIDE AND WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAVE REMOVED HISTORIC PORTIONS OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES DISAPPEARED THE IDENTITY OF A LARGER COMMUNITY AND NEGATED THE SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE CITY'S STEADY TRANSFORMATION INTO THE CULTURALLY RICH AND BEAUTIFUL PLACE THAT IT IS TODAY. WE SUPPORT VIABLE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PARCELS WITH THE EXISTING HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AND BUILDING INTACT. AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT REMOVAL. UM, THE NEXT COMES FROM DARYL OLIN BUSH, THE BOARD OF THE, THE BOARD OF THE LEVOA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AS OPPOSED TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE REFERENCE PROPERTY. MUCH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND WE VALUE THE CONTRIBUTION THAT EACH STRUCTURE AND ITS INDIVIDUAL HISTORY MAKES THROUGH THE CHARACTER, MAKES THROUGH THE CHARACTER OF THE PLACE WE ALL LIVE. REMOVING THE WITT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE EROSION OF THE IMPORTANT HISTORY OF THE NEAR WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, [04:05:01] AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS BEEN DECIMATED BY NEGLECT AND INAPPROPRIATE DEMOLITION OVER THE YEARS. MORE GENERALLY, WE ARE PROPOSED TO REMOVAL OF A STORY ZONING OVERLAYS AT THIS PROPERTY, UH, WITHOUT ANY PRESENTATION BY THE OWNER THAT WOULD REPLACE THE STRUCTURE AND AFTER THEY HAVE NEGLECTED THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING FOR MANY YEARS, THIS TYPE OF SPECULATIVE ZONING, UM, ENCOURAGES IRRESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DEMO NOW, BUILD LATER, USUALLY WITH THE SOLE AIM OF INCREASING THE MONETARY VALUE OF THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO ITS SALE, ALLOWING THE WHIP PRINTING COMPANY TO BE DEMOLISHED BEFORE ANY SUBSEQUENT USE OF THE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED WOULD SET A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT FOR THE STORE PROPERTY ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO. UH, FURTHERMORE, THE DETERMINATION BY THE CITY ENGINEER THAT THE BUILDING IS AN DANGEROUS CONDITION DOES NOT ABSOLVE THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE RESPONSIBILITY TO STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE CLEARLY, SOMETHING WHICH THEY HAVE OUGHT TO, OUGHT TO HAVE DONE BEFORE THIS SITUATION. DETERIORATED TO THIS POINT, SEVERAL OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS ARE ARCHITECTS AND DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, AND IT'S OUR OPINION THAT THE WITT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING CAN AND SHOULD BE STABILIZED IMMEDIATELY. MORNING. CAN WE GET THE VOICEMAILS PLEASE? MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER, SPEAKING FOR THE TOPEN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. THIS IS ABOUT THE SPECIAL HEARING ON EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ORDERS AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE STREET, THE WITT BUILDING, THE REQUEST FOR EMERGENCY DEMOLITION AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE STREET. THE WIT PRINT COMPANY BUILDING IS AN ATTEMPT TO GO AROUND CITY RULES AND PROCEDURES. THE OWNERS HAVE POSSESSED THE BUILDING FOR DECADES AND IT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR MANY YEARS. THE CITY HAS ALLOWED THIS BY NOT ENFORCING MAINTENANCE CODES. PROPERTY OWNERS WHO DON'T MAINTAIN THEIR BUILDINGS SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED FREE LICENSE TO DO WHAT THEY WILL WITH THEM. THOSE OF US, US, WHO LIVE IN OR NEAR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, KNOW THAT IT IS COMMON TO REPLACE A ROOF IF THE STABILITY OF THE SURROUNDING WALLS OF THE WIT BUILDING IS IN QUESTION. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT IT WAS STRONG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT PRINTING EQUIPMENT WITHOUT DAMAGE. WE ASK THAT YOU DENY THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION REQUEST AND THAT YOU SUGGEST STABILIZATION AND OTHER ALTERNATIVES. THIS CITY DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER EMPTY LOT THAT ONCE HELD AN HISTORIC BUILDING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MARY NEERY. MY ADDRESS IS 3 1 8 PURITA STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 0. THIS COMMENT IS FOR 8 21 WEST COMMERCE, THE WIT BUILDING. I'VE LIVED IN THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR 40 YEARS, MY ENTIRE TIME IN SAN ANTONIO, AND WORKED IN PRESERVATION SINCE 1985. THE FIRM I WORKED FOR FOR 15 YEARS, CHARIA AND ASSOCIATES ARCHITECTS PRESERVED 35 MAJOR BUILDINGS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. BACK THEN, IT WAS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO DEMOLISH BUILDINGS. MANY OF THOSE BUILDINGS WERE THOUGHT TO BE BEYOND REPAIR OR NOT WORTH SAVING TO. IN PARTICULAR, THE CROCKETT BLOCK AND THE PALACE THEATER WERE UNDER THREAT AS RECENTLY AS THIS YEAR UNTIL THE ALAMO MUSEUM PROJECT WAS ANNOUNCED. THEY WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO A STUNNING MUSEUM AS SUGGESTED IN A CONCEPTUAL PLAN BY OUR CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO AND URBY HIGHTOWER, F A I A OF ALAMO ARCHITECTS, THE FIRM THAT MOVED THE FAIRMONT HOTEL WHEN IT WAS SLATED FOR DEMOLITION IN THE EIGHTIES. THE WOOD BUILDING IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND THERE IS NO VALID REASON THAT IT CANNOT BE INCORPORATED INTO A NEW DEVELOPMENT. JUST LIKE THE MUNICIPAL AUDITORIUM RAVAGED BY A TERRIBLE FIRE HAS BEEN TRANSFORMED INTO THE TOBIN CENTER. NOW A NEW WORLD CLASS SYMPHONY HALL AND CONCERT VENUE. LET'S USE OUR IMAGINATIONS AND BRING MUCH NEEDED VIBRANCY TO THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, BRINGING EQUITY TO A BLIGHTED AREA OF TOWN. WE HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL TALENT AND THE WILL TO ACCOMPLISH GREAT THINGS TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THIS RAY MORALE AT 2 0 3 MEXICO DRIVE, ITEM NUMBER 21 4 1 7 8 8 21 WEST COMMERCE, THE WITT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF SAVING THE WHITFIELD AS A LICENSED ARCHITECT FOR THE PEST. 30 YEARS HAVE WITNESSED AN ALARMING DESTINATION OF HISTORIC S IN SAN ANTONIO. WE MUST PROTECT ALL OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES, NOT JUST THE TOURIST ATTRACTIONS. IT BE TRAGIC TO DESTROY ANY MORE OF THE FABRIC THAT MAKES SAN ANTONIO UNIQUE. WITH DEMONSTRATION THE WAVE OR ANY PARTIAL DEMOLITION, WE ARE CREATING A HUGE ROLE IN THIS FABRIC AS WELL AS CREATING A DOMINANT EFFECT CATTLE SQUARE. WE ARE REWARDING THE OUTSTANDING ONLY NEGLECT, AND WE MUST NOT AVOID OUR DUTY AS STEWARDS, [04:10:01] OUR HISTORY TO DEMOLISH THE WEIGHT WITHOUT A DETAILED INVESTIGATION OF THE SYSTEM STRUCTURE TO CONCRETE REINFORCEMENT, OUR QUALITY, MOISTURE INTRUSION, ET CETERA. IT'S RECOMMENDED BY DATA ENGINEERS AND THE MOTION BASED CURSORY REVIEW AND EMERGENCY ORDERS IS NOT A REASONABLE ACCEPTED STANDARD. DATA ENGINEERS WALK THROUGH ASSESSMENT AND SERVE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURAL MEMBERS TO BE INTACT IN GOOD CONDITION. THE BURDEN OF SHOWN THE CLEAREST REASON HAS NOT BEEN CLEARED. AS REGARDS TO THE STRUCTURE, THE WIDTH BUILDING HAS BEEN DESIGNATED FOR WELL OVER 30 YEARS. IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THE CITY O H P AND H D R C TO MAKE A MORE THOROUGH STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS AND STABILIZE STRUCTURE. AT THE BARE MINIMUM, STABILIZE THE EACH WALL REPLACING AND PROVIDE BARRIERS TO PROTECT OR POTENTIALLY PROTECT BYSTANDERS OF . IF THE WIT IS DEMOLISHED, HOW LONG WILL WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS ADDITIONAL AND UNNECESSARY LIFE? THERE HAS BEEN NO REDEVELOPMENT THAT SUBMITTED AND NO OUTREACH TO WESTSIDE COMMUNITY VALLEY PPLICANT. THIS IS A SPECULATIVE APPROACH THAT WE MUST NOT ENCOURAGE AND MAKE CLEAR WHAT WE AS A COMMUNITY VALUE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HI, THIS IS DR. MARK JONES. I LIVE AT 25 26 RIM OAK. I WORK AT THE DOWNTOWN U T S A CAMPUS AND AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. IT'S A DILAPIDATED OLD BUILDING AND, UH, IF ANYONE TOOK A LOOK INSIDE, YOU WOULD SEE HOW IT POSES A DANGEROUS, UM, ENVIRONMENT. I CAN'T IMAGINE STREET PEOPLE TRYING TO SLEEP IN IT OR KIDS PLAYING IN IT. SOMEBODY WOULD GET HURT OR NOT KILLED, AND BESIDES THAT, THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT SPACE. IN MY OPINION. IT WOULD NOT IN ANY WAY AFFECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT WOULD PROBABLY, IT WAS DEMOLISHED AND REMOVED AS A SAFETY HAZARD. MY NAME IS MARK JONES. THANK YOU AGAIN. THIS IS VANESSA EGLE CALLING 1 3 6 1 4 FRENCH OAKS IN HELOTES REGARDING 8 2 1 WEST COMMERCE. IN MY OPINION, THE BUILDING THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO EMERGENCY DEMO IS NOT HISTORIC, BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY DANGEROUS. IT CONTINUES TO CAVE IN AND WITH A LAST SNOW STORM, IT COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED ONE SIDE OF THAT ROOF TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN GET IN TO EVEN SAFELY START TO REMOVE ANYTHING, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE SAVED. UM, WITH THE SITUATION AT HAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S QUITE CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK AND SUCH, AND PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT FENCES. THEY ARE GONNA GET CLOSE, THEY'RE GONNA JUMP THE FENCE AND SO FORTH. AND SO IT CAUSES A LIABILITY. I AM ALSO A VENDOR TO THEM AND I DELIVER THERE, AND IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD FOR MY DRIVERS, UH, TO BE NEAR THAT BUILDING. AND IT BLOCKS, QUITE FRANKLY, A LOT OF THE DELIVERY ACCESS, UH, TO THEIR RESTAURANT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND HOW MUCH IT BRINGS, UM, REVENUE TO, UM, THE CITY. UM, AND ALSO TO JUST THE, YOU KNOW, NEARLY 90 YEARS OF GOOD QUALITY FOOD FROM AN IMMIGRANT FAMILY. SO IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT BUILDING FOR THE SAFETY OF EVERYONE AROUND IT, AND ALSO ALLOW THAT FAMILY TO CONTINUE TO REBOUND FROM THE PANDEMIC THAT'S REALLY HURT THEIR BUSINESS. I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT IN, IN THE BILLINGS, YOU KNOW, AS THEIR VENDOR. UM, SO HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF, YOU KNOW, LETTING THIS FAMILY CONTINUE, UH, INTO THEIR 90TH YEAR, UM, AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A BUILDING, UH, THAT DOES NOT EVEN DRIVE REVENUE FOR THEM. UM, AND AT THIS POINT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD. THANK YOU, AND I HOPE YOU GUYS. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS RAFAEL GARZA. I AM VICE PRESIDENT OF GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I LIVE IN 4 0 9 ARBOR PLACE, THE EMERGENCY ITEM NUMBER ADDRESS AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE STREET. WE SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION FOR THE UNSAFE STRUCTURE THAT CAN KILL AND CRUSH A PERSON BY WALKING IN FRONT OF IT OR BESIDE IT. SAFETY FOR ALL. WITH THIS DEMOLITION WILL HELP THE COMMUNITY WITH JOBS, AND THIS FAMILY'S BEEN HELPING THE COMMUNITY WITH JOBS FOR OVER 80 YEARS. THIS IS LUCY RIO, 74 30 STONE HOUSE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, 7 8 2 2 7. UH, TWO 10. AND IN REGARDS TO, UM, 8 21 WITH COMMERCE, I FEEL THAT IT IS A [04:15:01] CONCERN THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TURNED DOWN, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE HOMELESS. IT IS A DANGER TO PEOPLE'S LIVES IF THEY, IF THEY, IF THEY GO IN THERE, STAY IN THERE, START A FIRE, THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON IN THERE. THERE'S PROSTITUTION, THERE'S DRUGS, THEY HIDE IN THERE. THERE THE BUILDING IS COMPLETELY FALLING APART. UH, IT'S REALLY A DANGER TO ANY HUMAN BEING THAT'S SURROUNDED. WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT BEING DEMOLISHED. UH, PLEASE CALL ME BACK IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS. BUT THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN A HAZARDOUS, IT'S BEEN NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, WE COME DURING FIESTA, WE COME, UH, TO HAVE DINNER THERE, AND THAT BUILDING IS, IS, UH, DANGEROUS IF ANY OF THE CHILDREN WERE TO RUN IN THERE WHILE THERE'S AN EVENT GOING AROUND IT, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE BUS STOP THERE, THE BUS PEOPLE, WHEREVER ALL THE, THE PEOPLE GO. IT, IT'S DANGEROUS. IF SOMEBODY GOES IN THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET HURT. THERE'S BROKEN GLASS. THERE'S JUST SO MANY THINGS. PLEASE DEMOLISH IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HI, I AM CALLING ON THE ADDRESS OF 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. UH, MY NAME IS ERIC ORTIZ. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE OH SIX EIGHT THREE. I'M CALLING THE CONCERNS OF THAT BUILDING BEING DANGEROUS. UH, IT'S BEEN UP FOR A WHILE, UH, NOTICED THE CRACKS ON THE WALLS AND IT'S BEEN, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, I THINK, UH, A HAZARD TO PARK NEAR THERE THAT'S GONNA COLLAPSE OR FALL ONE DAY ON A CUSTOMER OR EVEN THE VAGRANTS THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET INSIDE THE BUILDING THAT'S DANGEROUS FOR ANYBODY TRYING TO GET IN THERE. UM, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS ON THAT. UH, BUT YOU DO HAVE NOTICE, NOTICE STRUCTURE CRACKS ON THAT BUILDING AND IT DOES NEED TO COME DOWN. IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, SAFE THERE FOR THE PEOPLE OUT THERE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GOING THERE FOR YEARS AND, UH, IT JUST NEEDS TO COME DOWN. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BAD, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT SAFE FOR ANYBODY TO BE AROUND IT OR ANYBODY GETS INJURED AND GETS HURT OR, OR SOMETHING. SO THOSE ARE MY, THIS IS BEST RODRIGUEZ AT FIVE 10 ROYAL COURT CALLING ON THE PROPERTY AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. THERE IS NO HISTORICAL PRESENCE TO THIS BUILDING, AND THE VALUE TO REBUILD THE BUILDING WOULD BE OUTRAGEOUS. IT SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED. I'M VELMA PENA AND I LIVE AT 1210 PATTON BOULEVARD. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. I AM THE CHAIR OF THE WESTSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS COALITION AND THESE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ASK THAT YOU SAVE THE WITT LOS VINES, LOS PUENTES, MEMORIAL HEIGHTS, ROOSEVELT PARK WEST IN HO ACTION. WESTWOOD SQUARE PRESERVATION OF THE WEST SIDE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER, AS WE SEE SO MUCH OF IT DEMOLISHED. THIS IS PARTICULARLY TRUE IN THE PART, IN THIS PART OF THE WEST SIDE IN WHICH ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN DECIMATED BECAUSE OF CITY INCENTIVES AND POLICIES AND IMPORTANT BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED. THE WEST SIDE IS IMPORTANT TO MEXICAN AMERICAN CULTURE AND TO ITS HISTORY AND ARE IRREPLACEABLE AS A BUILT ENVIRONMENT DISAPPEARS. SO DOES OUR HISTORY. THE WIT BUILDING IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT HISTORY. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE SAFETY OF THE BUILDING, SO WE ARE ASKING THAT THE BUILDING BE STABILIZED AND RENOVATED INSTEAD OF DESTROYED. WE FEEL THAT THE BUILDING AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE KETTLEMAN SQUARE IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO SAVE THE BUILDINGS, NOT JUST THE CITY. OFFICIALS CAN JUST TALK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HONOR HISTORY, OR THEY CAN ACT IN INTANGIBLE WAYS. THE WITT BUILDING IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK, AND WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU HONOR THE COMMITMENT THAT WAS MADE THE DAY IT WAS LANDMARKED IN THE EIGHTIES BY SAVING IT NOW. THANK YOU. YES. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO EMERGENCY ITEM ON 8 21 WEST COMMERCE STREET. MY NAME IS GREG GARCIA. I LIVE AT 14 6 0 6 TRIPLE CROWN LANE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 3 2, OR I'M SORRY, 7 8 2 4 8. UM, REGARDING THE, UH, BUILDING, UH, THE DILAPIDATED BUILDING IN THE BACK, UH, I EAT AT THIS RESTAURANT AND, UH, THE, WHEN I PARK, I, I AM CONCERNED EVEN THOUGH IT'S ROPED OFF, THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO BE DEMOED, UH, TORN DOWN DUE TO PUBLIC SAFETY. UM, IN MY OPINION AS A HISPANIC, IT IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORICAL DISTRICT WHATSOEVER. AND THIS IS MORE OF A, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN. THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND INCLUDING, UH, PATRONS SUCH AS MYSELF [04:20:01] THAT EAT AT THIS RESTAURANT ALL THE TIME. UM, WE HAVE EATEN THERE FOR YEARS AND WE'VE ALWAYS SEEN THIS BUILDING, UH, THERE THAT'S, UH, VERY OLD AND NEEDS TO BE, UH, TORN DOWN DUE TO SAFETY. THANK YOU. I'M CALLING ON THE EMERGENCY ITEM ON 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. MY NAME IS THOMAS D. SHORT AND I LIVE AT 1943 EAGLE MEADOW, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 8. MY OPINION, THE BUILDING IS NOT HISTORIC, BUT IS DANGEROUS AND IT SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED. ITS DEMOLITION WILL NOT AFFECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE CATTLE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I EAT THERE ALL THE TIME AT THIS RESTAURANT, AND IN MY OPINION, THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED. THANK YOU. I AM, UH, CYNTHIA SPILLMAN, AND I LIVE AT 900 WEST WOODLAWN AND I'M COM COMMENTING ON THE WT BUILDING AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. I'M STARTING AGAIN WITH MY STATEMENT BECAUSE I WAS CUT OFF AT THIS POINT. UM, IN THE LAST RECORDING, OUR HISTORICALLY LANDMARK BUILDINGS IN SAN ANTONIO DESERVE BETTER THAN TO BE DEMOLISHED OR STRIPPED DOWN TO ONE OR TWO WALLS BECAUSE OF DECADES OF NEGLECT BY ITS OWNERS, PARTICULARLY WHEN THERE ARE TWO REPORTS ABOUT THE SOUNDNESS THAT ARE CONFLICTING, THE WHICH SHOULD BE STABILIZED AND STEPS TAKEN TO FULLY RENOVATE. NOTHING IS SADDER THAN A FACADE THAT IS SURROUNDED INCONGRUOUSLY BY INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT AS IF OUR HISTORY'S AN AFTERTHOUGHT, IT'S DISRESPECTFUL. THIS IS THE CASE OF HOW IMPORTANT WE THINK WEST SIDE HISTORY IS A HISTORY THAT'S BEEN ERASED AS BUILDING AFTER BUILDING HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED. THIS IS THE CASE OF HOW WE IMPORTANT WE THINK SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORY IS AS WE MOVE INTO THE FUTURE AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES WITH IT. THIS BUILDING HAS NOT BECOME ANY LESS SIGNIFICANT CULTURALLY NOW THAN WHEN IT WAS DESIGNATED IN THE EIGHTIES. MOST OF THE CALLERS AT THE ZONING MEETING YESTERDAY WHO WANT THE PROPERTY DEMOLISHED STATE THAT IT'S BECAUSE OF SAFETY ISSUES. SO STABILIZATION SHOULD SATISFY THOSE CONCERNS. INSTEAD OF SETTING A PRECEDENT OF NEGLECT IN THE DESTRUCTION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN SAN ANTONIO, PLEASE SEND THE MESSAGE THAT WE RESPECT OUR HISTORY AND SAN ANTONIO'S CHARACTER INSTEAD OF LETTING US EVOLVE INTO A BLAND COOKIE CUTTER CITY. AS SO MANY HAVE DONE, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU SAVE THE WI. THANK YOU. UM, HELLO, MY NAME IS MARIELLA GARZA. I AM PRESIDENT OF THE GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MY ADDRESS IS 4 0 9 ARBOR PLACE. I AM CALLING FOR THE EMERGENCY ITEM AT 8 21. WEST COMMERCE GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CONTINUES IN SUPPORT OF THE DEMOLITION FOR THIS BUILDING. THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN DEEMED AS UNSAFE AND DANGEROUS STRUCTURE AND CAUSES A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN EACH DAY. COUNTLESS INDIVIDUALS PASS BY LEAN OR SIT BY THE STRUCTURE, SIMPLY DETACH SHADE, NOT KNOWING THE DANGER IT CLOSE IS FOR THEM IN THE AREA. THE FOOT TRAFFIC IS UNMANAGEABLE, OFTEN REQUIRING SS A P D PATROL ON SITE TO DETERMINE INDIVIDUALS FROM FREQUENTING THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION. DEMOLITION WOULD BRING NEW PROGRESS TO THE AREA, INCREASE JOBS FOR THE COMMUNITY RESIDENCE, AND IMPROVE THE AREA OVERALL. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS GEMMA KENNEDY, 5 0 9 RIVER ROAD. IT'S PERTAINING TO THE WITT PRINT COMPANY 8 2 1 COMMERCE STREET CASE. HOW MANY OWNERS NEGLECT THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND THE REQUEST DEMOLITION BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS NOW TOO FAR GONE TO SAVE ROOF IS EITHER CAVED IN OR HAS A LEAK THAT HASN'T BEEN REPAIRED FOR YEARS. H D R C DENIED DEMOLITION OF THE W BUILDING ON MAY 5TH OF THIS YEAR. THE LYNN FAMILY ADDED A NEW TWIST BY ASKING THE ZONING COMMISSION TO REMOVE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THIS BUILDING TO FACILITATE DEMOLITION AND CURIOUSLY, AT THE SAME TIME, AN ANONYMOUS TIP WAS MADE TO THE CITY OF ABOUT THE BUILDING STABILITY THAT GENERATOR GENERATED AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION PERMIT. I GIVE THE OWNER'S POINTS FOR CREATIVITY TO CIRCUMVENT A PUBLIC PROCESS. THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVE IN RIVER ROADS STRONGLY SUPPORTS HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE REHABILITATION OF EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND DWELLINGS. WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN REMOVING HISTORIC DESIGNATION. WE ALSO BELIEVE THE DEMOLITION OF ANY HISTORIC STRUCTURE OF DWELLING IS IRREVOCABLE LOSS TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS TONY GARCIA WITH THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. I LIVE AT 2 43 EAST ATCH, CASE NUMBER 21 [04:25:01] DASH 4 78 AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE WITT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING LOCATED AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE WAS DESIGNATED A HISTORIC LANDMARK IN 1988 AS A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL HISTORY OF THE KETTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS ON MAY 5TH, 2021. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REBUKE COMMISSION CONCURRED WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND REJECTED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR THE RE REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND SUBSEQUENT DEMOLITION FOR 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. THE FINDINGS FOR THAT DETERMINATION HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE MAY 5TH. THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION STEERING COMMITTEE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A FULL STABILIZATION OF THE WIT BUILDING WITH NO PARTIAL DEMOLITION. THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS EXAMPLES WHERE PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING LEADS TO A FULL DEMOLITION OF THE REMAINING STRUCTURE. A FULL STABILIZATION PLAN FOR THE W BUILDING WOULD ADDRESS ANY SAFETY ISSUES AND WOULD GIVE ALL PARTIES ADDITIONAL TIME TO FIND AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION FOR PRESERVATION. POSSIBLE TAX ABATEMENTS DUE TO WINTER STORM DAMAGE, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE FUNDING FOR PRESERVATION OF THE W BUILDING HAVE NOT BEEN FULLY INVESTIGATED DUE TO THE HAZE TO PARTIALLY OR FULLY DEMOLISHED THE BUILDING. THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION STEERING COMMITTEE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THE H D R C TO RECOMMEND A FULL STABILIZATION PLAN WITH NO PARTIAL DEMOLITION FOR A COMPLETE PUBLIC PROCESS TO CON TO OCCUR WITH ALL PARTIES. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION STEERING COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS ALDO OVIEDO. UM, I RESIDE AT 82 42 CAMPO BEO DRIVE. I'M CALLING ABOUT THE EMERGENCY ITEM ON 8 2 1 WEST COMMERCE. UM, I, I FEEL THAT THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED. UM, IT'S DANGEROUS. UM, I AM A CUSTOMER OF GOLDEN STAR CAFE, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE ITEM AND UM, I, UH, USED TO LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. SO I'M A I I'VE BEEN GOING THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS. UM, JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S SAFE. UM, I ALSO AM, UM, ONE OF THEIR VENDORS WHICH, UM, I HAVE DRIVERS THAT, THAT ARE, ARE DELIVERING THERE AND, UM, THE TRUCKS NEED TO PARK BY THAT BUILDING. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY, UM, IT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, MY DRIVERS ARE SAFE AS WELL. SO I JUST WANTED TO, UH, LEAVE MY MESSAGE ON REGARDING THAT ITEM. SO HOPEFULLY IT DOES GET DEMOLISHED. I DON'T NECESSARILY CONSIDER THAT A, UH, HISTORIC BUILDING. UM, THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU. BYE. UH, YES, MY NAME IS RICHARD UH GARCIA. MY ADDRESS IS 1 6 6 TESLA DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 8. AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MEMORIAL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I'M CALLING, UH, CALLING AND YOU WANT TO LEAVE A MESSAGE REGARDING THIS, UH, THE, UH, CATTLEMAN SQUARE, THE, THE WOOD BUILDING LOCATED AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 7. I'M ASKING THEM FOR THE, THIS IS THIS CATTLEMAN SQUARE, THIS PART OF IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE WEST SIDE AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT TEAR DOWN. I IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE OF THE WEST SIDE ASSOCIATION COALITION, HISTORIC IN KEEPING THIS BUILDING UP. IT'S PART OF OUR HERITAGE. IT'S PART OF, IT MEANS A LOT TO US AND, AND I DON'T SEE HOW THE CITY CAN GO, HAS DEAL THAT YOU GO AND TEAR THIS BUILDING DOWN JUST 'CAUSE THEY BUILT, NOW THEY, THEY HAVE A NEW CITY HALL DOWNTOWN, NOW THEY'RE TURNING THE BUILDINGS AROUND THE AREA. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S SHAMEFUL. THAT'S, THAT'S ABSURD. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY IS, IS DOING THIS. SO PLEASE, PLEASE, I'M IN SUPPORTIVE OF SUPPORTING THIS BUILDING AND KEEPING IT UP. THIS IS, LIKE I SAY, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR, OF OUR WEST SIDE AND, AND, AND I'M JUST AFRAID THAT ONCE THEY START TEARING BUILDINGS DOWN, THEY'RE GONNA START OTHER BUILDINGS AND OTHER BUILDINGS AND SO WE NEED, WE NEED TO PUT A STOP SOMEWHERE. AND THIS IS WHY I'M VOICING MY CONCERN. I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO, UH, STOP THEIR DEMO AND DO NOT DESTROY THIS BUILDING, WHICH HAS BROUGHT A LOT OF SIGNIFICANCE, CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE TO OUR AREA. AGAIN, MY NAME IS RICHARD GARCIA. UM, MY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HELLO, MY NAME IS IJ RODRIGUEZ. I LIVE AT 4 5 0 NORTH SAN GABRIEL AVENUE, SEVEN EIGHT TWO TWO EIGHT. UM, MY PHONE NUMBER'S (210) 489-9097. I'M CALLING REGARDING CASE, THE CASE AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE 6:00 PM H D R C EMERGENCY HEARING. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE LOMA VISTA NEIGHBORHOOD [04:30:01] ASSOCIATION AND SUPPORT THE GARDENVILLE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF THAT AREA. AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND PERSPECTIVE AND OPINION ARE THAT AT THIS TIME FROM WHAT I SEE, THAT BUILDING IS DANGEROUS. UM, MY OPINION IS NOT RELATED TO WHAT I USED TO DO, BUT IN ANY CASE, I DID WALK INTO DANGEROUS STRUCTURES AS A, I AM NOW A LINE OF DUTY INJURED AS A OF THE FIREFIGHTER. BUT IN ANY CASE, ONE THING THAT I CAME ACROSS FROM A HISTORIC POINT OF VIEW WAS THAT THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION REGARDING, UH, SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT AND THEN IT BECAME HISTORIC. BUT WHAT I CAME ACROSS IS THAT BECAUSE, UH, SOME, SOME THINGS ARE WRITTEN PHONETICALLY, SOME OF THE NAMES ARE DIFFICULT TO FIND THE OWNERSHIP. SO ONE HAS TO FIGURE OUT PHONETICALLY WHAT THE NAMES ARE. UM, YEN, UH, IS ONE OF THE NAMES AND THERE'S OTHER NAMES INVOLVED IN THE PROPERTY. WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT IT WENT FROM A TRUST TO A PARTNERSHIP AND THAT CAUSED HIM CONFUSING THAT WHEN IT BECAME A PARTNERSHIP, THAT IT WAS A NEW OWNER. IT HASN'T BEEN A NEW OWNER. MR. UM, A LATE CAME HERE TO AMERICA, 1905 AS A KID, 13 YEARS OLD, AND LATER ESTABLISHED HIMSELF NEAR THE MILAN PLAZA WITH HIS GOLDEN STAR CAFE. AND THE LONG COMMERCE MOVED TO ANOTHER RIGHT THERE ABOUT A FEW HUNDRED FEET TO THE SECOND LOCATION, AND NOW THE EXISTING LOCATION, UM, I'M NOT SURE THE MAN WAS ALREADY, UH, STILL ALIVE OR NOT, BUT ANY CASE THAT THEY NEEDED A LOCATION. UH, THE OTHER CONFUSION THAT CAME ABOUT WAS THAT, UM, WAS THAT, AND THE NAMES ARE DIFFICULT, PLUS WHEN I CAME ACROSS THE WIT, BROTHERS IN 1950 HAD BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE, FOR PRINTING. SO THAT MEANS THAT EITHER THE BUILDING, HELLO, MY NAME IS JESUS GARCIA. I LIVE AT A 2 35 JURY LANE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 1. UH, YES, I'D LIKE TO CALL ABOUT A, A BUILDING NEXT TO, UH, GOLDEN STAR CAFE. UH, I BELIEVE THE ADDRESS IS 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. UH, THIS BUILDING IS, HAS BECOME, UH, UH, AN EYESORE AS WELL AS, UH, DANGEROUS TO MY, MY FAMILY, ESPECIALLY, UH, BOTH MY PARENTS WHO ARE, UH, ELDERLY AND HANDICAPPED. UH, THAT BUILDING IS, IS, UH, IS UNSAFE. IT LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE. UH, IT COULD FALL ANY DAY AND I'D HATE FOR MY PARENTS TO BE IN THAT AREA WHEN THAT HAPPENS. UH, IT SHOULD BE CONDEMNED, UH, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE, UH, A HISTORICAL SITE BECAUSE OF HOW DANGEROUS IT LOOKS AND HOW DANGEROUS IT CAN GET. UH, PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE, THE PEOPLE WHO, UH, WHO VISIT GOLDEN STAR AND, AND UH, ARE JUST SCARED THAT THIS BUILDING COULD, UH, CAUSE MORE DAMAGE THAN IT SHOULD. AGAIN, THIS IS JESUS GARCIA. THANK YOU. IRMA GARCIA, 1 26 0 2 CREEK AND I'M CALLING ABOUT THE BUILDING ON 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. I THINK TO ME THAT BUILDING IS FOR THE PEOPLE AND I HOPE THEY CAN DO SOMETHING TO IT. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ANTONIO CASTANEDA. MY ADDRESS IS 24 20 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE, APARTMENT 3 0 2 S A 7 8 2 1 2. I AM, UM, SPEAKING TO ITEM 21 DASH 4 1 78. THE WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE REITERATE OUR OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION, EITHER PARTIAL OR WHOLE OF THE HISTORIC WIDTH AND COMPANY PUBLISHING BUILDING AT 8 21 IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS. WE FURTHER STATE OUR DEEP DISMAY ABOUT THE CONFUSED AND CONFUSING PROCESS IN WHICH THE MATTER HAS BEEN HANDLED. IN BRIEF, THE PROCESS WE WERE INFORMED TO PREPARE FOR WAS ONE IN WHICH PUBLIC COMMENT WOULD BE HEARD ON THE SUBJECT AND A DECISION RENDERED AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS. HOWEVER, THAT PROCESS KEPT CHANGING AND IN TIME WAS SUBVERTED. THE APPLICANT'S POSITION TO DE DESIGNATE THE BUILDING'S HISTORICAL STATUS AND TO PERMIT ITS DEMOLITION WAS DENIED BY THE H D R C, WHICH THEN REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE BASIS OF ITS DECISION AND RETURN WITH A RESPONSE TO THOSE BASIS WITHIN 60 DAYS. THE APPLICANT, HOWEVER, CHOSE NOT TO ABIDE BY THE H DRCS DECISION AND INSTEAD SHIFTED THE CASE TO THE ZONING COMMISSION. THE WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE PROVIDED PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE THE ZONING COMMISSION ON JUNE 1ST, EVEN THOUGH THE CASE NO LONGER HAD STANDING IN THAT COMMISSION PRECISELY BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT INSPECTED THE BUILDING CITED THAT IT WAS AN EMIN DANGER OF COLLAPSE AND SIGNED AN EMERGENCY [04:35:01] DEMOLITION DUE TO NEGLECT AFFIDAVIT ON MAY 28TH, THE A, THE FRIDAY AFTERNOON OF THE LONG MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND HOLIDAY WHEN ONE COULDN'T DO MUCH ABOUT IT. THERE ARE, HOWEVER, TWO CONFLICTING INSPECTION REPORTS OF THE W BUILDING ONE BY D S B, WHICH SERVED AS THE BASIS FOR THE EMERGENCY DEVOLUTION AFFIDAVIT AND THE OTHER, AN INDEPENDENT INSPECTION BY DATUM ENGINEER. THE DMM REPORT CONCLUDES THE WITNESS. HI, UM, THIS IS WALTER PANG. UH, I AM AT 9 0 2 BROOKLYN. I'M CALLING IN REGARD OF THE ITEM NUMBER 8 2 1 WEST COMMERCE. UH, JUST WANT SAY THAT I FEEL THE BUILDING IS A HAZARD TO OUR SYSTEM OF SAN ANTONIO, AND BY ALL MEANS, THE BUILDING IS NOT A HISTORICAL BUILDING AND SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED. UH, I WOULD PUT SAFETY BEFORE THE PRESERVATION OF ANY HISTORICAL BUILDING. ALSO, DOES ANYONE IN THE COMMITTEE KNOW THE COST OF PRESERVING SUCH A BUILDING AND WILL THE COMMITTEE ALSO ASSIST WITH THE COST OF PRESERVING SUCH A BUILDING? THANK YOU. YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD DAY. MY NAME IS SUSANNA SEGURA. I'M AT EIGHT 16 SOUTH COLORADO. I'M SPEAKING ON THE WIT PRINTING COMPANY. ON BEHALF OF THE ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER, THE ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER, AS A MEMBER OF THE WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE DOES NOT SUPPORT DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC WIT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING AS LOCATED AT 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. NOR DO WE SUPPORT REMOVAL OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY WITHIN THE CATTLEMAN SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE ESPERANZA IS THE STEWARD OF THE BUILDING NEAR THE IMPORTANT CROSSROADS OF RA, BOTH A CITY LANDMARK AND A BUILDING ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. OUR BUILDING IS TWICE AS LARGE AND OUR WALLS WERE IN A MORE FRAGILE STATE THAN THE WIDTH PRINTING COMPANY AND WE HAVE MANAGED TO SECURE FUNDING TO STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE AND ARE CURRENTLY IN CONSTRUCTION. DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE WERE ABLE TO SHORE UP ALL OF THE LOAD BEARING WALLS WITH STEEL FRAMING TO ALLOW FOR DEMOLITION OF THE DETERIORATED ROOF STRUCTURE. THIS GAVE US TIME TO REPAIR THE WALLS, BUILD A NEW FOUNDATION, AND BUILD A NEW ROOF. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE THE WALLS AT AND WE KNOW THAT SAVING THE WALL OF THE WOOD PRINTING COMPANY IS POSSIBLE. WE ARE VERY NEAR OPENING THE VERY FIRST BAY INSIDE OF THAT BUILDING SO THAT, THAT IT CAN FUNCTION AS A COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE AND CULTURAL CENTER. AND WE WANT TO SET THE EXAMPLE AND ENCOURAGE OTHER INDIVIDUALS, ORGANIZATIONS, AND DEVELOPERS TO HELP US PRESERVE OUR HISTORY ARCHITECTURALLY, HISTORICALLY, ARCHITECTURALLY, AND CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT SPACES FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO BEAR'S RESPONSIBILITY IN HELPING THIS SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOP A PRESERVATION PLAN, A TIMELINE FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND A SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE WITT PRINTING COMPANY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAS, IN GOOD FAITH, HIRED A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUILDING IS A SOUND STRUCTURE AND NOT IN IMMINENT DANGER OF FALLING. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ANY PRESERVATION PARTNERS BECOME VESTED. INTEREST HOLD, UH, I'M CALLING ON THE EMERGENCY ITEM 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. MY NAME IS JOHN COOLEY, AND I LIVE AT 1 39 WEST SOYOU PLACE. UH, IN MY OPINION, THE BUILDING IS NOT HISTORIC, BUT IS QUITE DANGEROUS. UM, MY OPINION, IT SHOULD BE DEMOLISHED AND, UH, THE, THE DEMOLITION WILL NOT INFECT THE I TABER OF THE AREA. I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S INEVITABLE THAT THIS STRUCTURE WILL POSE A, A, A, A DANGER TO THE, THE MULTIPLE HOMELESS THAT, THAT INHABIT THE AREA. AND THAT IS ALL I WANT TO ADD. I THINK, UH, UH, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS BUILDING IS, IS, UH, IRRELEVANT TO THE OVERALL HISTORICAL, UH, UH, ATMOSPHERE OF CATTLEMAN'S AND DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. HI, GRACE ROSE GONZALEZ, 1442 WEST LYNNWOOD AVENUE. UM, I'M A FORMER ZONING COMMISSIONER AND A BOARD MEMBER OF KEYSTONE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT ALSO HAS A HISTORIC DISTRICT WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES. I HAVE A DESIGN FIRM IN THE DECO DISTRICT, AND WE HAVE WORKED ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS SUCH AS ALAMEDA, THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL IN THE GUADALUPE THEATER, IN, IN TERMS OF RENOVATION AND RESTORATION. HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE THE MEMORIES OF PEOPLE'S LIVES OF ACTION, AND OF INACTION, OF CELEBRATIONS, AND OF TRAGEDIES. THE WHIT BUILDING HOLDS MEMORIES OF THE PRINTED WORD FOR THE LATINO COMMUNITY OF AN ANCHOR OF THE STRIFE AND THE GROWTH OF THE WEST SIDE. MY GRANDMOTHER, DONA ELENA, HAD A FLOWER SHOP, THE RADIANT ROSE, A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE GUADALUPE THEATER ON GUADALUPE STREET. [04:40:01] HER BUSINESS OPERATED FOR 40 YEARS ON THAT LOCATION, AND TO THIS DAY, THERE IS STILL PEOPLE WITH MEMORIES OF HER SHOP, HER DEEDS OF BEING A PILLAR TO THE COMMUNITY. FOR THOSE IN NEED, BUILDINGS LIKE THE, WHICH SHOULD REMAIN JUST AS THE PEARL EMBRACE THE BRICK BUILDINGS ON THAT NEW CAMPUS AND INTEGRATED THE OLD WITH THE NEW. SO SHOULD ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BE AS SENSITIVE TO THE FABRIC OF THE WEST SIDE. RESIDENTIAL C COMMUNITY, H D R C ARE THE GATEKEEPERS OF THE HISTORICAL BUILT FABRIC, THE GOSSAMER WEAVE. SO LIGHT AND BEAUTIFUL, AND YOUR CARE FOR THE GEMS OF OUR CITY IS IN YOUR HANDS. AS A PAST ZONING COMMISSIONER, I WAS COMPASSIONATE FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT OUR CITIZENS REQUESTED, AND I HOPE YOU ALL WILL FIND THE COMPASSION FOR THESE SAME CITIZENS AS THEY STAND FOR THE LOVING HISTORY AND MEMORY THEY WISH TO SAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AGAIN, THIS IS GRACE ROSE GONZALEZ. HI, GRACE ROSE GONZALEZ. OKAY, THAT WAS IT FOR VOICEMAILS. UM, LET'S GO TO, UM, WE, I BELIEVE LEE IS THERE WITH BO LIMB. UM, BOTH YOU COULD PLEASE MUTE, UM, THE SOUND ON LIVESTREAM. HELLO? HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR US? HI AHEAD. HELLO. YES, BO IS ON THE LINE. YES. MM-HMM. . HI, BO. UM, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO PROVIDE COMMENTS. I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR. YES, I'D LIKE TO. UM, PLEASE GO AHEAD. CAN I SPEAK NOW? YES. OKAY. WELL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UM, PUBLIC SAFETY HAS BROUGHT US TO THIS EMERGENCY HEARING TODAY. OUR GOAL IS TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO KEEP THE SURROUNDING AREAS SAFE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE VIA COMMUTERS, EMPLOYEES, VENDORS, AND ANYONE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THE THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS THE RECENT FACTORS BEYOND HUMAN CONTROL HAVE GREATLY AFFECTED OUR CITY. NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THESE CATASTROPHIC SNOW STORMS THAT AFFECTED EVERYBODY. AND SO THESE KIND OF THINGS WITH THE RAIN WINDS AND HAILSTORMS HAVE BOMBARDED OUR AREA, CREATING UNEXPECTED HAZARDS, REQUIRING IMMEDIATE ATTENTION. THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENED OVER A LONG TERM. THESE ARE MORE RECENT EVENTS THAT ARE BEYOND HUMAN CONTROL. YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING THE NECESSARY STEPS UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, AND WE ARE JUST A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, NOT DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I, I KEEP HEARING THESE THINGS. AND WE'RE, WE'RE JUST A SMALL RESTAURANT TRYING TO STAY ALIVE DURING PANDEMIC CLIMATE. YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE JUST TO EVEN KEEP OUR BUSINESS RUNNING AND KEEPING OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, EMPLOYED AND KEEPING, UH, AFFORDABLE FOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THESE CALLERS DO NOT THINK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT A BIG TIME DEVELOPER POCKETS, WE'RE JUST REGULAR PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST CONCERNED, OUR CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BUILDING DOES NOT FALL INTO SOMEBODY. DO THESE PEOPLE CARE? IF IT FALLS ON SOMEBODY? IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY CARE MORE ABOUT A, A BUILDING THAT MAY AFFECT SOMEBODY. YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO CARE ABOUT HERITAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE COME FROM HERITAGE AS WELL. AND THAT IS JUST WHAT I JUST WANTED TO SEE, THAT WE JUST TRIED TO ADDRESS THIS PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING, UM, THE SAFETY FOR THE PUBLIC. AND, UM, THAT'S JUST ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR BO? AND I'LL, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT SHE IS PART OF THE FAMILY THAT OWNS THIS PROPERTY, AND SO, UM, WE CAN KEEP HER ON THE CALL AS WELL, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR HER. MI MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. YES, SIR. I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HAD SOMETHING ON MY MIND THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A, A POINT OF DISCUSSION IN THE COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE WEST SIDE, BUT I, I JUST TO THE, TO THE, UH, FAMILY, RIGHT, TO THE LYNN FAMILY. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I HAD, YOU KNOW, WE GOT AN EMAIL, UH, FROM THE CITY WITH RESPECT TO THIS IS KIND OF AN ALERT THAT THIS WAS COMING ON OUR AGENDA AND A TERM THAT FLOATED AROUND A BIT WAS DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. I'D LIKE THAT RECORD TO RECORD, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT I PERSON, I PERSONALLY WANNA SAY TO THE FAMILY THAT I, I CONSIDER THAT TERMINOLOGY KIND OF INSULTING, UH, BECAUSE YOUR FAMILY HAS, HAS, YOU KNOW, THE BUILD [04:45:01] BUILDINGS ARE IMPORTANT. YES, THEY'RE IMPORTANT, BUT, BUT WHAT'S AT THE ROOT OF OUR HISTORY ARE THE PEOPLE. AND YOUR FAMILY IS NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, CULTURALLY TIED TO, TO YOUR PARTICULAR CULTURE, BUT SO TIED TO THE MEXICAN AMERICAN CULTURE, I'VE NEVER HEARD A BAD THING SAID ABOUT YOUR RESTAURANT OR YOUR FAMILY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT YOU WITH A LOT OF LOVE, AND IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME OUT THAT ARE, THEY, THEY, THEY AMOUNT TO ACCUSATIONS. AND, AND I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT CLEARLY WHAT'S BEEN BEFORE THIS COMMISSION THAT'S TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THE FAMILY GETTING OUT OF THE BUSINESS AND THE, AND THE STRESS OF THE, OF THE, UM, PANDEMIC CERTAINLY, UH, DESCRIBES, UH, UH, UH, A COMMENTARY CONTRARY TO THE IDEA THAT, THAT YOUR FAMILY WOULD HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO MAINTAIN THIS BUILDING WHILE AT THE SAME TIME Y'ALL, YOURSELVES ARE, ARE, ARE DEALING WITH, UM, PROB MOST LIKELY HAVING TO FOLD THE BUSINESS THAT YOU HAVE, HAVE, HAVE, UH, UH, MAINTAINED FOR SO, SO LONG. AND THE EVIDENCE OF THE, OF THE SHEER TRIBUTE THAT SHOULD BE PAID TO YOUR FAMILY IS IN, IS INHERENT IN ALL OF THE BUSINESSES OVER THE DECADES THAT DID NOT SURVIVE, YET YOUR FAMILY DID. AND THEY CONTINUED TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY TO THE POINT THAT, UM, UH, PEOPLE WOULD BE VERY SADDENED TO NOT BE ABLE TO, UH, UM, UH, UH, GO TO YOUR RESTAURANT AND, AND TO, AND TO KNOW YOUR FAMILY. SO I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT, PARTICULARLY RESPECT TO THIS COMMISSIONER THAT, UH, I HONOR YOUR FAMILY'S COMMITMENT, AND THAT, THAT, THAT THIS SITUATION SHOULD BE SEEN COMPLETELY SEPARATE OF ANY ACCUSATION THAT YOUR FAMILY'S TRYING TO DO ANYTHING WRONG. UH, I, I THANK YOU. I'M ALMOST DONE, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER ZORAN. YES, SIR. IN MY OFFICE, I JUST WANT ITERATE WITHOUT SOUNDING REDUNDANT, UH, UM, WITHOUT REPEATING WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VELA IN MY OFFICE. I JUST WANNA DITTO AND, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, COMMEND THE FAMILY FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SERVING THE WEST SIDE COMMUNITY FOR ALL THESE DECADES. UM, I, I ESPECIALLY WAS BOTHERED TO HEAR ABOUT THE RACIAL SLURS THAT WERE THROWN AT THE FAMILY THAT IS NOT A TESTAMENT OF, OF, OF THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY. AND IT JUST MAKES ME SO UPSET TO HEAR THAT. SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, JUST THANK YOU FOR Y'ALL'S CONTINUED COMMITMENT AND SERVING, UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THIS CALLER TO CHAIR? THIS IS, IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS? YES, SIR. SO, UM, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS A INTERESTING, I MEAN, LIKE, INTERESTING IS NOT A GOOD WORD, USED FOR SITUATION, BUT I MEAN, THIS, THIS BUILDING HERE IS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH CALL FOR, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO H D R C, WE'RE, WE'RE CHARGED WITH, UM, PRESERVING HISTORIC BUILDINGS. AND THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHICH CALL YOU LISTEN TO, DEPENDING ON WHAT, UM, OFFICIAL YOU LISTEN TO, YOU KNOW, IS OR NOT HAS HISTORICAL ELEMENTS, DOESN'T HAVE HISTORICAL ELEMENTS, UM, THINGS OF NATURE. BUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUILDING TRYING TO, IF WE DESTROY THIS BUILDING OR ALLOW IT TO BE DESTROYED OR DEMOLISHED, THEN WE DO LOSE THOSE ELEMENTS. EVEN THOUGH I, I AM SENSITIVE TO THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT, IT REQUIRES COST, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO, TO RESTORE, PRESERVE AND THINGS OF NATURE. SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, SOME, SOME OF THE CALLERS HAD MENTIONED, UM, TRYING TO GET, UM, FUNDING OR SUPPORT IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, TO RESTORE THE BUILDING OF THIS NATURE. AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP RESTORE THIS BUILDING WHILE ALSO MAKING THE, HELPING THE OWNERS NOT TO BE SO, SO OUT OF POCKET IN TRYING TO RESTORE HIS BUILDING THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR, FOR SO MANY YEARS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. YES, MA'AM. UM, ALONG THOSE LINES OF COMMISSIONER GIBBS, UM, THAT'S HOW I FEEL, AND THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION MAY BE A GOOD MIDWAY OF MITIGATING THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW OF THE ROOF FALLING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TRYING TO SOLVE, UH, SAVES THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE BUILDING, THE OUTER STRUCTURE. COMMERS, IT SOUNDS, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UM, [04:50:01] IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING INTO DISCUSSION. WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF LIVE CALLERS. I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT AWARE 'CAUSE UM, WE NEED TO GET TO THE TESTIMONY FIRST. YES. IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE CALLER, WE'LL DEAL WITH THOSE AND THEN WE'LL GET TO COMMISSION DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S GO TO JESS. JESS HAS HENRY RODRIGUEZ ON THE LINE. JESS, ARE YOU THERE WITH HENRY? ALL RIGHT. COREY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR MS. RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU COULD PLEASE MUTE, UM, THE LIVE STREAM THAT YOU'RE WATCHING SO THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU BETTER. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN GO AHEAD. MR. RODRIGUEZ. HELLO? YES, GO AHEAD. WHAT'S THAT? GO AHEAD. YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIVE RIGHT NOW. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, DO I GO AHEAD AND SPEAK? YES, GO AHEAD. HAVE TWO MINUTES. OKAY. HENRY RODRIGUEZ, UH, 5 0 1, UH, OAKWOOD DRIVE, 78 2 28. OKAY. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS WITH A, A LOANING COMMISSION AND, UH, I HEARD MY COLLEAGUES FROM THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND I WAS SO IMPRESSED WITH THEIR COMPELLING COMMENTS. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC WEST WEBSITE, UH, RESIDENT ASSOCIATION, THE TIER ONE. UH, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, COALITION. AND OF COURSE, I AM WITH LULAC, AND WE HAVE DEEP HISTORY IN THIS, IN THIS COMMUNITY. AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, LULAC IS THE OLDEST AND LARGEST HISPANIC CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTRY. NOW, A YOUNG MAN BY JOHN RERA. HE WAS AN ATTORNEY, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY. THAT MAN DID BUSINESS, AND HE WAS IN LULAC, DID BUSINESS WITH A WITCH COMPANY. THE PRINTING COMPANY IS, HE SO HAPPENS HE BECAME THE NATIONAL PRESIDENT OF LULAC, BUT MORE SO, HE BECAME QUITE FAMOUS BECAUSE HE WAS PART OF A MONUMENTAL CASE THAT TOOK, THAT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT AND WITH THE, THE, THE GREAT GUS GARCIA, AND THEY WON THE CASE HERNANDEZ VERSUS THE STATE, STATE OF TEXAS. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, MAKE US VERY PROUD OF OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITY. I RAISED MY FAMILY JUST SOUTH OF THERE AT THE VISTA VE SOUTH COMMUNITY. AND LEMME TELL YOU THAT ORGAN, THAT THAT COMMUNITY THERE PROVIDED JUST LIKE THE REST OF THEM, EVERYBODY WENT TO THE GOLDEN STAR AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE BECAME FAMILY. BUT YOUNG MEN THAT, THAT WORKS THERE, JIMMY, HE GRADUATED FROM THE NEAR IN 1977. SO WE ASKED THAT YOU CONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS AND GIVE US A BREAK ON THIS. WE WANT YOU TO PRESERVE THAT BUILDING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS CALLER? OKAY. MAY WE HAVE THE LAST CALLER, PLEASE? OKAY. STEPH SHOULD BE THERE WITH EMELIA VALDEZ. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. OKAY. MY NAME IS EMELIA VALDEZ AND I RESIDE AT 1635 SAN ANTONIO TEJAS 7 2 0 7. I AM THE CO-CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION, AND I'M CALLING ON 8 21 WEST COMMERCE. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO READ THIS STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE WIT FAMILY IN SAN ANTONIO. I, DAVID ANDREW WIT GREAT-GRANDSON, OFO BEWI WOULD LIKE TO STATE ARE DISCONTENT WITH THE POTENTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE WITT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING LOCATED AT 8 21 WEST HOUSTON STREET. MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER, HIO BEWI, CAME TO THIS COUNTRY TO ESCAPE POLITICAL PERSECUTION IN MEXICO DURING THE MEXICAN REVOLUTION, AND FOUND POLITICAL ASYLUM IN TEXAS AND SETTLED IN SAN ANTONIO, WHERE HE LATER JOINED BY HIS WIFE AND YOUNG CHILDREN. IN 1914, HE FOUNDED IT WIT AND COMPANY, A MAIL ORDER COMPANY WITH TWO PRINTING PRESSES THAT STARTED THE WIT PRINTING COMPANY, WHICH PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN SAN ANTONIO'S HISPANIC COMMUNITY. IT WAS HIS FIRM INTENTIONS TO SATISFY THE PRESSING NEED FOR QUALIFIED BOOKS IN SPANISH TO THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES. THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, THE PRINTING COMPANY WORKED WITH MANY IMPORTANT MEXICAN AMERICAN ORGANIZATION, INCLUDING LULAC. ADDITIONALLY, HIS BETTER TO BE WEAK WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF SAN ANTONIO'S MEXICAN AMERICAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. HAVING FILLED THE SECOND TERM OF HIS PRESIDENT FOR THESE REASONS, [04:55:01] THE WT FAMILY BELIEVES THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SHOULD FILL AN APPLICATION TO ASSIST IN THE LIMB FAMILY AND ULTIMATELY COME TO A SOLUTION THAT WILL NOT ALLOW THE FULL IMPARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE WT PRINTING COMPANY BUILDING. AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY'S HISTORY AND CULTURE. THANK YOU, DAVID AWI. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS, UH, CALLER? THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO TO DISCUSSION, BUT BEFORE THAT, UM, SHANNON, CAN YOU RESTATE THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU MADE OR AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS HEARING? UM, SURE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, AND I, I WOULD JUST REITERATE, UM, THAT OBVIOUSLY WE, WE AGREE WITH THE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, REMOVAL OF THE BUILDING AND DEFINITELY, UM, MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION WITH AN EYE TO TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OF THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING WHILE, WHILE, WHILE DEALING WITH THE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN. UM, SO WE RECOMMEND THAT THE, THAT THE FULL CONCRETE STRUCTURE, ALL, ALL FIVE BAYS THAT, THAT YOU SEE, UM, ARE PRESERVED, THE FULL STRUCTURE IS PRESERVED AND BRACED ALONG WITH THE, THE FRONT FACADE, AND THAT THE ROOF, THE DEBRIS INSIDE AND THE C M U INFILL IN THE WALLS IS REMOVED. THIS MAINTAINS THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURAL PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ADDRESSING THE SAFETY CONCERN. AND IT CREATES MORE OPEN VISIBILITY, UM, WHILE THE SITE IS VACANT. UM, BECAUSE, AND THEN, UM, YEAH, SO BECAUSE THE WALLS HAVE LIKELY BEEN MODIFIED, WE FIND THAT THEY COULD BE REMOVED WITHOUT GREATLY IMPACTING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT ANY FUTURE USE FOR THE BUILDING WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE, UM, APPROPRIATE MODIFICATIONS TO THE INFO SECTIONS TO ACCOMMODATE FENESTRATION REGARDLESS. UM, PRESERVING THE FULL CONCRETE STRUCTURAL FRAME AND THE FRONT FACADE WOULD MAKE REHAB AND REUSE OF THE BUILDING A VIABLE OPTION IN THE FUTURE. AND AGAIN, UM, WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT, UM, WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. AND AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, THE OWNER ALSO IS IN AGREEMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO NOW WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER. QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER ZUMA. YES, SIR. UH, I JUST BELIEVE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO START US OFF HERE AS, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT FIVE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF KEEPING IN MIND OF ALL PARTIES, ELEMENTS INVOLVED, THE LYNN FAMILY, THE COMMUNITY, AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE WT BUILDING. UM, I JUST, I REALLY BELIEVE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE, UM, IN ALIGNMENT WITH CITY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, I FEEL THE, THE UPDATED CHANGE TO SAFETY BEING A BIG FACTOR, BUT I WOULD ALSO MAKE A POINT, UM, THAT JUST THE REITERATION OF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SO MANY BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE THAT HAVE JUST BEEN, UM, TORN DOWN AND ESSENTIALLY OUR HISTORY ERASED. UM, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT, I BELIEVE, TO THE COMMUNITY. AND, UM, I BELIEVE OFFLINE, MAYBE SOMEONE FROM THE MAYBE STAFF CAN ASSIST ME AND, AND POTENTIALLY, UM, A, A PATHWAY TOWARDS, UM, PLACING A PLAQUE THAT TELLS THE STORY, UM, OF GILBERT WIT, UM, AND THE WITT PRINTING BUILDING. UM, IT, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE WALK THROUGH CATTLEMAN SQUARE AND OTHER PARTS OF DOWNTOWN, UM, WE DON'T KNOW THAT HISTORY. UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE IS A FACTOR. SO, AS I MENTIONED, GOING BACK TO MY MAIN POINT, UM, I'M IN, I'M IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THAT ARE ALSO IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE FAMILY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR. IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR, I, I, I REALLY, UH, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SET SOME CLARITY BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE PERSONAL OPINIONS OF, OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND THE BUILDING IN ITSELF. AT TIMES, IT CAN SOUND LIKE A CONTRADICTION, RIGHT? THAT SOMEHOW SUPPORT OF THE FAMILY MEANS SUPPORT OF THE BUILDING. BUT THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THE BUILDING, UM, HAS A VERY RICH HISTORY. UH, THE STRUCTURE REPORT, UH, DOES NOT, UH, RELATE TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. MY, MY ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S SOME CONTRADICTIONS IN E EVERYTHING THAT, UH, I, I THINK HAS BEEN PRESENTED, EVEN, EVEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS. HOWEVER, I I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR THE PRESERVATION OF WHAT IS THE CORE OF THE BUILDING, CONSIDERING THAT THE, UM, THE, THE INFILL INSIDE OF THE CONCRETE, UH, IS EXACTLY AS PRESENTED. THAT IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY END UP BEING FENESTRATION AND, AND, UH, MORE RELATED TO NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE FUTURE OR TO ADAPTIVE REUSE IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT. UM, I'M NOT CLEAR ON, [05:00:01] ON THE RED BRICK PART OF THIS BUILDING, MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK SOMEONE TO CLARIFY, UH, WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR THE VERY CLEARLY WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED FOR WHAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW WITH RESPECT TO THE RED BLOCK BUILDING? YEAH. WE'RE, WHERE ARE STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THE, THE TWO STORY BEER ADDITION BE MAINTAINED? IT, IT IS A LATER EDITION AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE RETAINED. OKAY. SO, SO THE, THE, THE FULL LENGTH OF THE GRAY BUILDING, UH, REMOVAL OF THE INFILL, SO THAT, I GUESS THAT IT STOPS THE POTENTIAL FOR WIND LOAD TO KNOCK SOMETHING DOWN, RIGHT? THE STRUCTURE REMAINS AND THE FRONT FACADE REMAINS, AND THERE IS NOTHING LEFT OF THE WOOD THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO BE A RECONSTRUCTION AT SOME POINT AS LED BY O H P, RIGHT? WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY. UM, WELL, I, I GOT, I HAVE TO, UM, UH, JUST KIND OF BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH, UH, THE, UH, UH, COUNCIL OF, UH, REPRESENTATIVE DISTRICT FIVE THERE, UM, UH, ON THE H D R C. I THINK HIS COMMENTS ARE RIGHT ON. AND, UM, UH, I, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION. I PROBABLY FOR MIKE SHANNON, AS IT AS IT PERTAINS TO THE, UH, THE EMERGENCY ORDER. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT WAS THE IN ENTIRETY OF THE STRUCTURE, BOTH THE FRONT STRUCTURE AND THE REAR STRUCTURE CONSIDERED IN THE EMERGENCY ORDER, OR WAS THE REAR STRUCTURE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT REVIEW? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. UM, THE, THE EMERGENCY ORDER DEALS, UH, FOR THE MOST PART ARE MOSTLY WITH THE FRONT, UH, I'LL CALL IT THE GRAY PORTION ON THE SCREEN, THE ONE STORY STRUCTURE, UH, AND LOOKING AT THE SECOND, UH, OR THE SECOND PIECE, OR THAT TWO STORY RED BRICK, WHILE IT DOES, UH, CONNECT A LITTLE BIT, UH, I THINK AS MR. RICKLES SAID, UH, THAT'S OF LESS CONCERN. UH, SO THE IMMEDIATE HAZARD IS THAT THE GRAY BUILDING THAT, THAT YOU SEE, UH, IN THERE, UH, A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT THE TWO STORY BRICK BUILDING, BUT THAT'S NOT THE MAIN FOCUS TODAY. THANK YOU. I, THE NA I GUESS THE NATURE OF MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TODAY THAT'S NOT, UH, BEING CONSIDERED FOR STABILIZATION AND IMMINENT IMMINENT THREAT? I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST, UH, FROM THE OWNER AND THAT PERHAPS THAT THAT COULD BE, UH, DISCUSSED TODAY. A LITTLE BIT HESITANT TO GET TOO FAR INTO IT BECAUSE THAT APPEARED TO BE STABLE AND MAYBE NOT SUBJECT TO AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY THERE. UM, IN, IN RESPONSE TO THE, UH, PROPOSAL FOR STABILIZATION. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF THIS THAT I GUESS I JUST WANNA FOCUS ON A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THAT IS THE, THE LONG SIDE OF, OF THE FACADES THAT WE SEE IN THIS IMAGE ON BOTH SIDES, EAST AND WEST SIDE. THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ENGINEER THAT WAS RETAINED BY THE CONS CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS THAT THE C M U INFILL, BUT NOT THE STRUCTURAL BAYS BE REMOVED. I CONCUR WITH THE IDEA THAT IN A FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT, THESE WOULD LIKELY SEE SIGNIFICANT ALTERATION FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE AND THAT THEY'RE NOT A KEY, UH, ELEMENT TO PRESERVING THE HISTORY. THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS THE WOOD STOREFRONT SECTIONS THAT WE CAN SEE IN THE FRONT. AND RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION AS IT STANDS IS THAT THAT BE REMOVED AND OPENED UP, LEAVING AN OPEN PORTAL. I THINK, UH, ONE CONCERN ABOUT THE ASPECT OF THAT IS THAT A, THE WOOD PROFILES AND DIMENSIONS BE DOCUMENTED SO THAT THEY COULD BE RESTORED AT A FUTURE BA DATE, OR B, IT'D BE TIED BACK TO THE BUILDING TO ELIMINATE THE RISK TO PUBLIC SAFETY. I THINK EITHER OF THOSE OPTIONS IS POTENTIALLY VIABLE, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE, MAYBE FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS, UH, OF HOW THIS STABILIZATION PLAN BE EXECUTED. WELL, UM, COMMISSIONER, CAN I JUST CLARIFY IT, IT, IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FACADE IS MAINTAINED, INCLUDING THE, THE WOOD ELEMENTS THAT WE, THERE WOULD BE A PLAN TO, UM, I, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS THE CHAIR THAT ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT POSSIBLY LIKE, KIND OF PLYWOOD SANDWICHING IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, SO THAT IT, IT COULD BE MAINTAINED. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE FACADE IS STABILIZED AND MAINTAINED, INCLUDING THE . THAT THAT'S GREAT. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE, THE BEST THING TO DO IS HERE. UM, IF THERE ARE ISSUES IN [05:05:01] STABILIZING THOSE EXISTING PIECES, UH, I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT HAVE TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL WORK IN STABILIZATION. UM, I, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I'LL, I'LL, I'LL LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS CHIME IN. UM, IN TERMS OF TIMELINE FOR STABILIZATION, WHAT IS THAT LOOKING LIKE? WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR EXECUTING WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED TODAY? SO I'LL JUMP IN ON THAT. UM, SO THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF RIGHT HERE, IT DOES SAY IT HAS TO BE DONE VERY QUICKLY, UH, THE PROCESS OF STABILIZATION ONCE, ONCE I, YOU KNOW, UH, REVIEW AND APPROVE THE PLAN. AGAIN, THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO, IS TO GET YOUR HELP AND, AND, AND, AND, AND A RECOMMENDATION ON A PLAN MOVING FORWARD. UH, BUT ONCE I APPROVE THAT, UH, IT'S, THE STABILIZATION PLAN, UH, HAS TO START GENERALLY WITHIN 24 HOURS, AND THAT'S CODIFIED. AND SO IT SHOULD HAPPEN, UH, THIS WEEK AND INTO THE WEEKEND. UM, THAT'S THE EMERGENCY NATURE I BELIEVE WE'RE IN. UH, THE CODE DOES KIND OF GUIDE US THROUGH THAT. UH, AND THAT'S WHY, UH, THINGS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING FAIRLY QUICKLY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. OTHER COMMISSIONERS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, AND I'M GONNA THANK YOU TO THE, UH, THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT, UH, BOTH ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE THAT, UH, TOOK THE TIME TO, TO COMMUNICATE YOUR CONCERNS. AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE PROCESS OF DEMOLITION FOR THE CITY THAT, UH, WE HEAR FROM ALL, UH, VESTED PARTIES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS MOST CONCERNING FOR ME ABOUT, UH, THE NATURE OF THIS EMERGENCY DEMOLITION PROCESS THAT, UH, THAT THAT CAN SOME, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE ABUSED AND, AND, AND LOCK OUT THE TRANSPARENCY IN THE, UH, IN THAT DIALOGUE OF CONCERNED CITIZENS. SO I, I THINK, UM, UH, THE D S D AND THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR, UH, CALLING THIS EMERGENCY MEETING AND, AND GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE, I'M IN GENERAL, UH, SUPPORT OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, O H P HAS, HAS PUT FORWARD. I THINK THERE ARE SOME, UH, POINTS OF FINESSE ABOUT, UH, PERHAPS PHOTO DOCUMENTATION IF, UH, WOOD ELEMENTS DO HAVE TO BE REMOVED, THAT THEY, THEIR PROFILES ARE SOMEHOW, UH, DOCUMENTED. AND THAT THERE DEFINITELY BE, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, INVESTIGATION AS THE, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, UH, MR. RICKLES, UH, UH, ADVOCATE FOR, FOR THE BRACING PRIOR TO ANY REALLY SERIOUS, UH, REMOVAL OF, OF MATERIAL. 'CAUSE I THINK, UH, YOU WANNA HAVE THAT SEQUENCE, UH, CORRECT AND NOT HAVE, UH, RUN THE RISK OF, OF THIS THING COLLAPSING DUE TO SORT OF OVER VIGOROUS DEMOLITION, UH, TAKING PLACE. SO I THINK THAT IS MAYBE A STEP ONE IN THE STABILIZATION. UH, ACTUALLY IT'S A STEP THREE AT THIS POINT. 'CAUSE YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY, UH, PRETTY MUCH, UH, UH, SECURED THE SITE AND, UH, FOR AT LEAST FOR THE SHORT TERM, UH, SAFEGUARD, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, WITH THE ACTIONS YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN. BUT I THINK THAT THAT NEXT HIGHER LEVEL OF, OF INVESTIGATION OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO BRACE THIS, UH, STRUCTURE PRIOR TO ANY REMOVAL OF MATERIAL, I THINK IS REALLY CRITICAL. UM, SO IN, IN GENERAL, I'M IN, IN SUPPORT OF THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL AND I THINK IT LEAVES OPEN THEN REALLY WHAT I WAS ADVOCATING FOR BACK WHEN THIS CASE CAME BEFORE US, THAT SOMEONE CAN FORMULATE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT INCORPORATES THIS, THAT GIVES UNIQUENESS TO THE SITE THAT, AS ONE OF THE CALLERS SAID, WE USE A LITTLE CREATIVITY AND IMAGINATION THAT'S BEEN DONE A NUMBER OF, UH, DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. IN FACT, IT'S WHAT KIND OF, UH, IS A CHARACTER IN A HALLMARK OF OUR CITY IS THAT WE DON'T JUST, UH, UH, OBLITERATE THOSE, UH, MEMORY ELEMENTS OF OUR, OUR, OF OUR COMMUNITIES. SO I THINK BY PRESERVING, UH, ALL FIVE BAYS OF THIS, I THINK YOU LEAVE OPEN SOMETHING THAT CAN HAVE A LOT OF INTEGRITY, UH, IN A FINAL, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT, ESPECIALLY THE, THE COMMUNITY AND THE LIM FAMILY FOR, UM, THEIR SUPPORT AND INTEREST FOR THIS [05:10:01] NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THE YEARS. AND, UH, I THANK EVERYONE FOR CALLING IN THE, THOSE SUPPORTING DEMOLITION, THOSE REQUESTING, UH, THAT THE BUILDING BE SAVED. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE HAS A VOICE IN CASES LIKE THIS. EXCUSE ME. UM, I AM GENERALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND WHAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED HERE THAT THE ENTIRE, UH, ONE STORY STRUCTURE BE, UH, KEPT AT THIS POINT AND STABILIZED AS, UH, RECOMMENDED BY, UH, MR. RICKLES, UH, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT ON A FAIRLY, UH, SHORT FUSE TO GET IT, UH, UNDERWAY. UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT DEMOL DEMOLISHING THE TWO STORY RED BRICK STRUCTURE AT THIS POINT, IF IT IS NOT, UH, BEING CONSIDERED IN THE, UH, DEMOLITION ORDER. AND, UM, I GUESS AT THIS POINT I KNOW MR. CHRISTENSEN, ARE YOU STILL ON THE, ON THE CALL? YES, I'M STILL ON THE LINE. UH, I KNOW WHEN YOU SPOKE EARLIER, YOU SAID THAT, UH, THE FAMILY WAS IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, BUT THEN YOU ALSO ASKED IF THE RED BRICK BUILDING COULD BE DEMOLISHED AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT. UM, WOULD, WOULD, DO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO LEAVE THAT BUILDING, THE TWO STORY BUILDING AS IS FOR NOW? AND, UH, LET'S DEAL WITH THE, UH, MORE IMMINENT, UH, PROBLEM OF THE ONE STORY BUILDING? WELL, SO WHEN I HEARD ABOUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, I WENT AND MET WITH THE LYNN FAMILY AT THE SITE. AND THEIR FIRST IDEA WAS, OKAY, WELL WAIT A MINUTE. IF WE, IF WE SAVE THESE COLUMNS AND THE BEAM AND WE SAVE THE FACADE AND WE CAN DEMOLISH THE RED BRICK BUILDING, AND WE GET A STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT THAT THE BUILDING IS SAFE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT FABRIC, FABRIC ACROSS THOSE, THOSE BEAMS, IF YOU WILL. AND WE COULD CREATE A, A NICE OUTDOOR PATIO FOR OUTSIDE SEATING, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A, A REUSE FOR THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IN THE MEAN WELL BEFORE SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, HAPPENS TO THAT BLOCK. BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE THAT AS OUTSIDE SEATING ONCE THEY KNOW IT'S SAFE AND SECURE AND THEY GET AN ENGINEERING REPORT. BUT WITH THAT RED BRICK BUILDING THERE, WHICH IS AN EYESORE, THEY, THEY CAN'T DO THAT. IT JUST ISOLATES THIS BUILDING TO WHERE THERE, THERE, THERE'S NO WAY TO TO, TO REUSE IT. THEY'LL JUST SIT THERE VACANT FOR THE TIME, FOR THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE. SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH THE RED BRICK BUILDING SO THEY COULD DO A PLAN LIKE THAT. OKAY. AND YOU DID SAY THAT IF THAT IS, UH, ULTIMATELY AGREED TO THAT, UH, THEY'RE WILLING TO RESCIND THEIR REQUEST FOR DE DESIGNATION OF THE, THE SITE AND THE BUILDING? ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL DO THAT IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, IF NOT, WOULD A COMMISSIONER LIKE TO ATTEMPT A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A DIRECT ACTION TO TAKE. SO MAYBE A MOTION COULD BE FORMULATED AS ADOPTING A POSITION OF SUPPORT, UH, TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS PRESENTED TODAY. OKAY. STAFF, DO YOU NEED SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC THAN A STATEMENT LIKE THAT, OR IS THAT WORKABLE? I THINK IN THIS CASE THAT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WORKABLE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND THAT, UH, STATEMENT OF SUPPORT IF WE HAVE TO, UH, VOTE ON IT. I DON'T KNOW. MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY. THIS IS MR. ZUMA. YES, SIR. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SO, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, WOULD THERE BE ANY POSSIBILITY OF POSSIBILITY? UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M STARTING TO THINK ABOUT IT. UM, SINCE THE FAMILY IS WILLING TO ACTUALLY USE, UM, THE GRAY BUILDING THERE AS A POTENTIAL, UM, REUSE FOR THEIR BUSINESS, UM, AND SINCE THAT RED BRICK BUILDING WASN'T INITIALLY PART OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, I, I'D ACTUALLY BE IN SUPPORT OF LEVELING THAT RED BUILDING, BUT STILL MAINTAINING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OF THE . WOULD MY COMMISSIONERS BE INTERESTED IN SUPPORTING THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN? THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE MOTION [05:15:01] BASED ON THE PLAUSIBLE INCLUSION OF THE EMERGENCY ORDER AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT IT IS NOT TO THE STRUCTURE CAN BE, UH, CHAIRMAN, I MEAN, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, IT MIGHT BE, UH, UH, BENEFICIAL FOR YOU TO, UH, RESTATE THE MOTION AND PERHAPS, UH, SIMPLIFY THE LANGUAGE. SURE. SO LET ME JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE LANGUAGE HAS TO BE COMPLICATED. SO THE, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY HERE WAS SUBJECT TO REVIEW IN TERMS OF THE EMERGENCY ORDER. UM, STAFF ON THE O H P SIDE IS RECOMMENDING THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO DEMOLISH THE TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE TWO STORY REAR STRUCTURE AS PART OF THE STABILIZATION PLAN PRESENTED. SO I THINK THE CLEAREST WAY IT CAN MOVE FORWARD HERE, UM, IS TO ADOPT A POSITION IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S PROPOSAL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS INCLUSIVE OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR STRUCTURE. THANK, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION, SIR. THAT WAS MY MISUNDERSTANDING. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? AYE. VELAZQUEZ, I'M PASS. . AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RUBE. AYE. BETER. AYE HON. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THIS, UM, ISSUE GETS RESOLVED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. A MOTION. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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