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LET'S GET STARTED.[Committee on Emergency Preparedness on June 11, 2021.]
WE WAITED ON YOU, BUDDY.LET'S GET STARTED WITH, UH, OUR, UH, LAST MEETING.
UH, BOY, THIS IS THE ONE I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO.
UH, NOW WE'VE GOT, UH, TO TALK ABOUT SOME VERY, UH, CRITICAL DRAFTING QUESTIONS TODAY.
UH, AND I'M, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE WANT TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA JUMP IN AND DO IT.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE DID RECEIVE, UH, SOME, WE DID RECEIVE THE MAPS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, UPDATED.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE FIRST AND GET SOME OPINION ON THAT, ON HOW YOU THINK.
AND WE'LL GIVE, WE'LL GIVE THE STAFF JUST A MINUTE TO, TO GET THAT PUT UP.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, THE ONE THAT WE HAD BEFORE, IT WAS, UH, THREE COLORS IN THREE, UH, TRANCHES GROUPS OR WHATEVER.
NOW WE HAVE ONE THAT'S GOT, UH, MUCH MORE GRADIENT, UH, DIVISIONS.
WE HAVE THE MAP BY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, AND WE HAVE THE MAP, UH, DELINEATE BY PRECINCTS.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THREE MAPS.
UM, AND I, AND HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF SATISFIES EVERYONE.
AND FRANKLY, FROM HERE, TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE A RORSCHACH TEST, BUT IN COLOR.
UH, SO LET'S LOOK AT THE ONE THAT, UH, IS NOT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE BUSYNESS OF THE COUNCIL OR THE PRECINCTS.
LET'S JUST LOOK AT THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
NOW, WE'LL GO AROUND, UH, HERE IN JUST A MINUTE AND, AND LOOK AT THAT.
UH, DOES THAT DO A BETTER JOB? DOES THAT SHOW A BETTER PICTURE OR IS IT TOO BUSY FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT? I MEAN, I DON'T CARE FOR ME, UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT IT DEFINITELY GIVES YOU MORE INFORMATION.
IT GIVES YOU MORE DETAIL, AND IT, IT REDUCES, WELL, IT DOES SEVERAL THINGS.
ONE, IT, IT DELINEATES WHERE THE, WHERE THE MILITARY BASES ARE.
SO THEY DID JUST WHAT WE WANTED TO LEAVES THE WHITE AREA, WHICH ARE THE, UH, UH, CRITICAL CIRCUITS AND THE LOW, LOW FREQUENCY CIRCUITS.
SO IT DOES THAT, AND IT DOES SHOW AREAS THAT WERE REALLY IMPACTED.
NOW THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, START WITH YOU, MANNY, OVER HERE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I'M LOOKING AT IT HERE, AND, UH, I THINK IT WAS, UH, COMPLEX, SOPHISTICATED STORM.
IT GOT A COMPLEX, SOPHISTICATED MAP.
UH, AND, UH, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GOOD PICTURE OF REALITY AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE HAVE HIRED US TO DO HERE, AND WHICH IS JUST TO SHOW 'EM WHAT HAPPENED.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND, BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT ALSO EXEMPLIFIES EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH AS FAR AS TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THE DATA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND SO I, I'M OKAY WITH IT, THE WAY IT LOOKS, REED.
SO WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE PAPER COPY? IS IT IN YOUR BACK? IT'S, IS IT PAGE 17, I BELIEVE? YEAH, PAGE 17.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND IT HERE.
YEAH, IT'S SMALL BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE MARGINS WERE CREATED SO THAT WE CAN DO NOTES AND ALL THAT.
IT IT'S SMALLER FOR THE TRACK CHANGES RIGHT NOW.
ALRIGHT, SO CHAIR, IF I CAN JUST NOTE THAT, UM, THAT ONE ON PAGE 17, I BELIEVE IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE THREE BRACKETS.
THIS ONE GOES INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE.
SO THIS IS MORE GRANULARITY THAT, THAT YOU ALL HAD ASKED US TO GET FROM C P S, SO THEY PROVIDED THAT LAST NIGHT, SO, OKAY.
IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT MANNY'S SAYING, HE'S SAYING, USE IT.
SO, UM, I THINK MY COMMENT WOULD BE, UH, I THINK IT'S A USEFUL MAP TO DOCUMENT WHAT HAPPENED.
SO THIS IS THE SNAPSHOT OF WHERE THE POWER OUTAGES WERE AND AT WHAT LEVELS.
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WE HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHY OF THIS, WHY THE COLORS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE.IN OTHER WORDS, WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE CIRCUITS WERE INTERRUPTABLE AND SOME WERE UNINTERRUPTIBLE.
WE KNOW THAT THEY WENT FROM AN AUTOMATED SORT OF APPLICATION OF THE SYSTEM OR, UH, OPERATION OF THE SYSTEM TO A MANUAL OPERATION OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, BUT I, THE, THE, THE QUESTION ABOUT IF THE SYSTEM HAD OPERATED PERFECTLY, WHAT WOULD THIS MAP HAVE LOOKED LIKE WHEN THEY STARTED TO LOAD JET? WOULD THERE STILL HAVE BEEN RED AREAS? WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN SOME RED AREAS AND YELLOW AREAS BY INTENT JUST BASED ON, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF HOW FAR YOU HAD TO GO INTO LOAD SHEDDING? UM, BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE QUESTION STILL IS, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THAT AREA RED, UH, OR WHY IS THAT AREA GREEN? RIGHT.
WELL, AND, AND YES, AND THAT'S, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO EXPAND THE VERBIAGE AROUND THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE MORE BRACKETS.
BUT IF ALL OF, AGAIN, WE'RE MAKING AN ASSUMPTION, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT ALL CIRCUITS THAT WERE INTERRUPTABLE WERE USED FOR THE INTERRUPTION, AND A FEW NOT DEFINED, UM, LOW FREQUENCY CIRCUITS WERE USED.
SO IF, IF THE CIRCUITS HAD BEEN EQUALLY, UH, INTERRUPTED, YOU WOULD TEND TO SEE VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN COLOR ON THE MAP.
SO IT WOULD ALL BE KIND OF THE SAME COLOR.
IF YOU HAD A LONGER DURATION, YOU WOULD THEN HAVE TWO MAPS, AND LET'S JUST SAY A, A SHORTER DURATION WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING IN THE GREEN OR YELLOW COLORS.
A LONGER GENERATION WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING IN THE, THE ORANGE OR RED.
BUT THE POINT WOULD BE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SUCH DIVERSITY IN COLOR IF IT HAD BEEN DONE PROPERLY.
IF THE SYSTEM HAD WORKED AND THEY REALLY ROTATED ALL CIRCUITS, LET'S JUST SAY THEY WERE ON FOR 30 MINUTES AND OFF FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, THEN YOU WOULD'VE SEEN ALL OF THE CIRCUITS DURING THE EVENT HAVE ABOUT THE SAME.
WHY WOULDN'T YOU? YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FIRST THEY WENT TO THE, TO THE, OF THE THREE TYPES OF CIRCUITS, THEY DIDN'T GO TO LOW FREQUENCY RIGHT AWAY.
THAT THE, THAT MANUALLY, THEY WOULD'VE GONE TO THE INTERRUPTIBLE.
SO THE LOW FREQUENCIES WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TOUCHED.
BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THESE ARE THE LOW FREQUENCY.
THEY DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GET THAT CORRECT.
SO, SO I'M HAVING TO MAKE, I'M HAVING TO MAKE AN
WELL, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE QUITE ALL BEEN THE SAME, BUT ALL OF THE INTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUITS, IF, IF THE CONCEPT IS THAT I'M GONNA TURN EVERYBODY OFF FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF AND TURN EVERYBODY BACK ON, ON A ROTATING BASIS FOR 30 MINUTES, THEN I SHOULD SEE LESS DIVERSITY IN COLOR.
NOW, MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IT, BUT IF, IF, IF I'M DISTRIBUTING THE PAIN, THEN I SHOULD SEE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS ABOUT WITH THE EXCEPTION.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LOW FREQUENCY CIRCUITS THAT WERE BROUGHT IN, I DON'T, I WAS TOLD ORIGINALLY, HUH, YOU WOULD SEE TWO IF, IF IT WERE, IF THEY HAD GONE FROM MANUAL UNINTERRUPTIBLE.
NO, THE, THE POINT IS THEY ONLY, WE'VE, WE HAD 200 AND I MEAN, I FORGOT HOW MANY CIRCUITS WE HAD HERE.
THERE WAS 250 OR SOMETHING, CIRCUITS, AND, AND WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT U USING A FEW LOW FREQUENCY CIRCUITS, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY COULD DO THAT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE COULD PLAN ON DOING THAT IN THE FUTURE.
SO YOU COULD SEE A DIFFERENCE THERE.
AND TO CLEAN THAT UP, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THOSE OUT.
BUT THE MA MAJORITY OF THE 250, AND THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN, I DON'T KNOW, A SMALL, VERY SMALL NUMBER OF INTERRUPTIBLE OF LOW FREQUENCY CIRCUITS.
YOU SH MY FEELING IS IF EVERYBODY, IF ALL THE CIRCUITS WERE TREATED THE SAME, ALL INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS WERE TREATED THE SAME, THEN YOU SHOULD SEE NOT SO MUCH DIVERSITY IN, IN COLOR.
THEY SHOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME.
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GO AHEAD.IF I, IF I MAY, UM, SO WE KNOW, AND, AND YOU MAY ALREADY KNOW THIS, UH, GENERAL, THAT THE MAN, THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM DIDN'T WORK, RIGHT? UM, SO I, I THINK THAT WE KNOW WE OVERLOADED THAT PROGRAM.
SO IT, IT ALL WENT HAYWIRE THAT MAYBE THE QUESTION YOU ARE ASKING IS WHEN YOU WENT TO MANUAL, DID THAT PART, UM, TURN ALL THE CIRCUITS DOWN EQUALLY? WAS THAT PART DONE EQUITABLY? ISN'T THAT, THAT'S NOT, NO, I'M ACTUALLY, I'M BACK ON THIS ISSUE OF THE, THE DESIGN OF THE SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO SOMEBODY DESIGNED THE SYSTEM TO OPERATE IN A CERTAIN WAY.
WHAT I HEARD REID SAY IS THAT THE SYSTEM DESIGN WAS THAT, UM, ONCE THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM STARTED TO ACTIVATE, IT WOULD'VE TURNED ALL OF THE INTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUITS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE CIRCUITS THAT COULD BE, UH, AFFECTED THE, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN AFFECTED EQUALLY.
THAT WAS THE DESIGN OF THE SYSTEM, WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
FOR A MUCH SMALLER LOAD SHED REQUIREMENT, THAT WAS THE DESIGN.
THERE WAS NO DESIGN FOR THIS TYPE OF LOAD SHED REQUIREMENT.
WELL, BUT A SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED, IT WOULD JUST MEAN THAT IT WASN'T DESIGNED, IT, IT DIDN'T PERFORM.
AND, AND I, I NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION, WE CAN, DID THIS HAVE SOME, UH, LEVEL OF INTERRUPTION THAT IT WASN'T GONNA WORK BEYOND? AND, AND IF IT DID, THEN WHY DID THEY INITIALLY USE IT? I DON'T KNOW.
THOSE ARE QUESTIONS WE DIDN'T ASK.
BUT THE DESIGN, WE DO TALK ABOUT THAT ON, AND I TALK ABOUT THAT, AND WE SAY THAT THEY NEED, AND I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON THIS, THEY NEED TO LOOK AT MAKING THE CRITICAL CIRCUITS SMALLER, ADDING, UM, ADDING INDIVIDUALS.
IT, IT'S NOT CHEAP, BUT ADDING EITHER MORE INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS OR EXPANDING THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS SO THAT DIR YOU'D HAVE MORE CIRCUITS.
SO YOU'VE GOT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ROLL THROUGH.
AND TO ANSWER, I THINK ED'S QUESTION, IT, IT DIDN'T WORK, THE SYSTEM DIDN'T WORK.
IT'S FOR THEM TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT DIDN'T WORK.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY THEN SAID, WELL, WE HAVE TO GO TO MANUAL.
BUT I THINK AT ANY LEVEL OF AN EVENT, THE, THE SYSTEM DIDN'T WORK PRIMARILY.
THE, THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM DIDN'T WORK PRIMARILY BECAUSE WHEN THOSE CIRCUITS WERE RE-ENERGIZED, THEY WERE OVERLOADED.
AND, AND WHETHER YOU HAD A VERY SEVERE EVENT OR A SMALL EVENT, YOU PROBABLY WOULD'VE HAD THE SAME BREAKAGE OF THE CIRCUIT WHEN IT GOT OVERLOADED, WHEN IT WAS RE-ENERGIZED.
AND I THINK THAT IS A BIG ISSUE OF WHY THIS, THIS, THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM DIDN'T WORK.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT, A LITTLE DIFFERENT ISSUE.
BUT IF I'D ONLY HAD A SMALL EVENT AND, AND IT ONLY LASTED A DAY OR SO, AND I TRIED TO USE THAT AUTOMATED SYSTEM, AND I TAKE PEOPLE OFF FOR TH FOR, LET'S SAY I TAKE 'EM OFF FOR AN HOUR AND PUT 'EM BACK ON FOR 30 MINUTES JUST SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, WHEN I WAS PUTTING 'EM BACK ON FOR THAT 30 MINUTES, UH, IT OVERLOADED THE CIRCUITS IN A MATTER OF MINUTES AND, AND BROKE THE, BROKE THE CONNECTION BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE PULLING MORE THAN THEY COULD PUSH INTO THE SYSTEM, INTO THAT CIRCUIT.
SO EVEN A SMALLER EVENT MIGHT HAVE HAD THE SAME RESULT BECAUSE ON A CIRCUIT BY CIRCUIT BASIS, IT, THE SYSTEM WAS FAILING.
NOW, DID THAT NEED TO REWRITE THE SYSTEM SO THAT WHEN YOU ENERGIZE IT, IT BREAKS? DO YOU NEED TO RE-ENERGIZE IT TO SEE IF IT CAN HOLD AGAIN? THEY DIDN'T.
THEY JUST PUT IT BACK IN THE ROTATION, APPARENTLY.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
SO A LOT OF TIMES IF WE HAVE SOMETHING BREAK AT THE PLANT AND THE CIRCUIT OPENS, WE'LL, WE'LL THEN TRY TO RE-ENERGIZE IT AGAIN TO SEE IF IT, IT CAN HOLD A SECOND TIME.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEIR SYSTEMS WORK, BUT WHAT ANA'S SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
THIS, THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM, WHETHER IT WAS DESIGNED FOR A BIG EVENT, IT DIDN'T, CLEARLY WE DIDN'T WORK HERE, OR EVEN A SMALL EVENT, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE WORKED.
AND THAT'S FOR THEM TO FIGURE OUT, YEAH.
AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WERE ALL INTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUITS INTERRUPTED EQUALLY? THE ANSWER IS NO, THEY WEREN'T BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT GREEN ALL THE WAY TO RED.
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REASON THAT THEY WERE NOT INTERRUPTED EQUALLY IS, I HAVE NO IDEA.MAYBE THOSE GREEN CIRCUITS WERE SMALLER, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T PULL AS MUCH A LOAD.
UH, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T CIR YEAH.
UH, MAYBE THEY CIRCLED THROUGH TO 'EM FASTER.
WELL, I DIDN'T, YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GETTING AT THE INDIVIDUAL REASONS.
I, I'M JUST, I THINK THAT IT, HERE'S MY TAKEAWAY.
UH, MY TAKEAWAY IS THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED TO TREAT ALL AREAS EQUALLY.
AND, AND IN A PERFECT WORLD, THIS MAP WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH MORE, UM, HOMOGENOUS IN, IN COLOR.
UH, WE DIDN'T NIBBLE IN A PERFECT WORLD DURING THE STORM, THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM FAILED, AND THEN THE MANUAL SYSTEM WAS IMPLEMENTED.
AND BOTH OF THOSE SYSTEMS ARE LARGELY IMPERFECT.
ONE'S IMPERFECT BECAUSE IT FAILED.
THE SECOND ONE IS BECAUSE YOU GET PEOPLE TRYING TO SCRAMBLE TO FIX A SYSTEM THAT'S BROKEN, RIGHT? THE RESULT OF THAT IS THIS
IT WASN'T BECAUSE IT WAS IMPLEMENTED OR OPERATED IN A WAY TO FAVOR PEOPLE OVER OTHERS.
IT WAS BECAUSE WE GOT INTO A, A, A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE YOU, YOU COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T SORT OF GET TO THE PERFECT, BECAUSE YOU WERE DEALING WITH A BROKEN SYSTEM.
SO I, YOU KNOW, SOME EXPLAN, I, I GET THAT.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT WE ALL AGREE IS, IS WHY THESE COLORS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE, THEN I THINK THAT'S AN EXPLANATION THAT WE CAN MAKE AND, AND GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND, AND ANNA AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU RECOGNIZE CIRCUITS GROW ORGANICALLY AS THE, AS THE TOWN GROWS AND CIRCUITS IN THE NORTH AND WEST TEND TO BE BIGGER CIRCUITS, AND CONSEQUENTLY, MAYBE A LARGER CIRCUIT IS HARDER TO HOLD THAN A SMALL CIRCUIT WHEN IT, WHEN IT REENERGIZES, I KNOW IN, IN THE CASE, 'CAUSE I CAN LOOK WHERE I LIVE.
I WAS ACTUALLY IN A RED AREA, RIGHT NEXT TO ME WAS AN ORANGE AREA, AND THEN RIGHT ACROSS THE, UH, THE MAIN STREET WAS A WHITE AREA.
SO I, I, THOSE, YOU KNOW, CAN ALL KINDA LOOK AT OUR OWN AREA AND TAKE OUR OWN EXPERIENCE AND OVERLAY IT.
BUT IN, IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY TWO THINGS.
ONE, THE INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS WERE NOT EQUALLY INTERRUPTED.
AND TWO, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT ANY AREA OF THE TOWN WAS THAT, THAT WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE WAS, WAS PROPORTIONATELY HURT MORE THAN OTHER AREAS OF TOWN.
IN FACT, JUST LOOKING AT THAT, YOU, YOU PROBABLY SEE, YOU KIND OF SEE AROUND FOUR 10, THE, IF YOU KINDA LOOK AT IT, THE RED KINDA RUNS AROUND FOUR 10 AND THEN OUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT COMING DOWN, UH, UH, SOUTH, UH, TOWARDS THE, THE MISSIONS THERE JUST OUT OF TOWN.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE AREAS.
BUT IF WE GIVE THIS TO THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL PEOPLE, THEN THEY CAN START LOOKING IN THEIR AREAS AND MAYBE IDENTIFY AREAS THAT CAN BE, THAT, THAT, AND, AND WITH FURTHER DISCUSSION, MAYBE FIGURE OUT WHY THOSE AREAS WERE, WERE AFFECTED DISPROPORTIONATELY.
IF I MAY, I'M, I'M LISTENING TO THE BACK AND FORTH HERE AND, AND I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND AND, AND, UH, LISA AND ADRIANA, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY.
I, I STAYED UP LATE, SO I'M FIRING ON FIVE CYLINDERS INSTEAD OF SIX THIS MORNING.
BUT, UH, THE, UH, I, I DON'T DUNNO IF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A DIFFERENCE IN DRAFTING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WORD CHOICE OR IF, ANA YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE PREMISE IS WRONG, UM, AND I'M, WHAT IS IT YOU'RE, WHAT IS IT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? 'CAUSE I, I WANT TO, I WANNA UNDERSTAND IT PERFECTLY WELL,
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT REQUESTING ANY CHANGE, UH, RIGHT NOW.
WITH THIS, WHAT I, THIS, WITH THIS MAP, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE LANGUAGE.
'CAUSE NOW I'VE, WE'VE GOTTA DEFINE EACH ONE OF THE BRACKETS AND HOW MANY HOURS IT WAS OUT.
AND, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE INITIALLY LOOKED AT DOING THIS MAP, THE FIR THE QUESTION WE ANSWERED TO THE PUBLIC IS, WAS, WAS I DISADVANTAGED IN MY AREA? NOT NECESSARILY BY, YOU KNOW, THE ZIP CODES, BUT IN, IN THE, THE QUESTION THAT CAME IN AND WE GOT IT MANY TIMES WAS I'M IN A, IN A MORE DISADVANTAGED AREA OF THE TOWN.
DID I GET MORE OF THE PROBLEMS THAN THE YEAH, THAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION.
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AND SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS WHETHER OR NOT WE GOT CONSENSUS FROM ANA AND YOU AS FAR AS WHAT IT IS THIS MAP IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE? AND I'M NOT SURE WE DID OR DID WE NOT? I THINK WE DID.I THINK THAT EVERYBODY SAID THE MAP WAS OKAY.
THE QUESTION IS, TO YOUR POINT IN THE DISCUSSION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PREMISE IN TERMS OF THE OPERATION DESIGN AND HOW IT SHOULD HAVE WORKED.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PLACES WHERE WHEN WE BEGIN TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE PAPER, RIGHT, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ESTABLISH A PREMISE.
I THINK AT LEAST RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT WE HAVE, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE.
AND IN THE END, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT REALLOCATION OF RESOURCES AND PASSING IT ON TO THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE EXPERTS WITH KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE THE REFINEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, THEN THIS IS WHERE, TO REED'S POINT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS.
THIS IS WHERE THIS COMMITTEE HANDS THE BALL OVER AND SAYS, DRILL IT DOWN AND FIND THE ANSWER TO THE REST OF IT.
AND, AND SO I, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO MAKE A BIG, A BROADER POINT HERE.
AND THAT IS, UM, AND I'M, I'M CLEARLY NOT DOING IT WELL, BUT, UH, I HAVE, I, I'M AFRAID THAT THERE'S NO ROOM IN THIS DOCUMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, A DISSENTING OPINION FROM THE OTHER SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, RIGHT.
WHO DISAGREES WITH THE DECISION.
AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, AT EVERY STEP WE, WE HAVE CONSENSUS.
UH, AND SO I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW, ANA, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON IT? JUST THE MINOR DISTINCTION BETWEEN, UH, INTERRUPTIBLE AND LOW FREQUENCY? YEAH.
AND WE WILL, WE WILL MAKE THAT CLEAR.
AND I WILL ASK, UM, UH, SOMEONE TO CALL AND ASK THE NUMBER OF HOW MANY, UM, LOW FREQUENCY FREE CIRCUITS WERE UTILIZED.
THAT'S PROBABLY A, A PIECE OF INFORMATION LIKE YOU SAY, WE NEED TO PUT IN HERE.
'CAUSE THIS ISN'T A PURE MAP, IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF DISTORTION IN IT, AND WE OUGHT TO NOTE THAT DISTORTION.
AND, AND, AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE A HARD THING FOR 'EM TO GIVE US.
I THINK IF, I THINK IF WE HAD ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD, WE'D HAVE ONE MAP WHEN IT WAS ON MANUAL AND ANOTHER MAP WHEN IT WAS ON YEAH.
AND THEN A CUMULATIVE, I I AGREE.
BUT ALLEGORICALLY, UH, WE KNOW ONCE IT WENT ON MANUAL, JUST FROM OUR OWN EXPERIENCE, WE GOT A BETTER PERFORMANCE
UH, NOT, NOT A LOT, BUT AT LEAST IT STAYED ON A LITTLE LONGER.
ANNA, IS IT WORTH IT TO REQUEST THAT MAP? I MEAN, I, I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT AND WE, YEAH, NO.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION WE CAN HAVE, GO BACK TO THE MANUAL.
I, I DON'T SEE US USING, WELL, WHO KNOWS? NEVERMIND.
I, I, THERE'S SEVERAL STEPS THAT I'M, I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
THEY'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THEIR ABILITY TO CREATE MORE INTERRUPTABLE CIRCUITS TO GET THE CRITICAL CIRCUITS REALLY FOCUSED ON CRITICAL NEED AND, AND THEN TRY TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S A, THERE'S A SYSTEM, WHETHER IT'S AUTOMATED OR MANUAL, THAT CAN MAKE THIS MORE EQUITABLE AMONG THE INTERRUPTIBLE CIRCUITS.
AND I THINK ALL WE CAN SAY IS THERE'S CERTAINLY ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
UM, BUT WE'RE NOT AT, WE'RE NOT AT THE TABLE, NOR DO WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO SAY HOW TO IMPROVE IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK ABOUT AS FAR AS WE CAN GO CHAIR.
I CAN, I CAN MAYBE, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK C P S FOR THAT INFORMATION IF YOU'D LIKE.
BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT, C P SS, UH, PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT SAID THEY DID LOAD SHED ON 276 CIRCUITS.
THEY ALSO PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT OUT OF THE CIRCUITS THAT THEY HAVE, THE INTEROPERABLE CIRCUITS ARE 244.
THERE'S, ASSUMING THAT ALL 244 WERE USED, WE HAD ABOUT 32 OF THE LOW FREQUENCY CIRCUITS PERFECT.
THAT WERE UTILIZED DURING THIS LOAD SHED EVENT.
SO SEE IF WE MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION, WE CAN INFER OKAY.
THAT IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A LARGE NUMBER.
DO YOU, ANNA, IS THAT OKAY? I THINK THAT'S A FAIR ASSUMPTION.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN, YOU KNOW, 10% OF THE CIRCUITS WERE NON INTERRUPTIBLE.
SO WE DO HAVE A DISTORTION HERE.
WE DO HAVE A DISTORTION HERE OF POTENTIALLY 10%, BUT, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S, DOESN'T INVALIDATE THE PICTURE
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COMMENTS? ANYBODY? ANYBODY? ANYBODY? OKAY.SO CAN WE QUICKLY PUT THE ONES UP, THE PICTURE UP BY COUNCIL AND THEN BY PRECINCT, JUST SO THE PEOPLE CAN SEE IT.
WE CAN INCLUDE THESE IN THE REPORT OR IN THE BODY, OR WE CAN PUT 'EM IN AN APPENDIX.
UM, THEY'RE PRETTY SPECIFIC AND THEY REALLY ARE FAIRLY DETAILED.
AND FRANKLY, WITHOUT BLOWING 'EM UP, IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE.
BUT WE NEED TO LET LISA KNOW IF WE WANT THESE TWO IN THE BODY OR IN THE APPENDIX.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE DONE THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN THE WORKING DRAFT IS I STARTED USING IN NOTES SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CITE RESOURCES AND BE ABLE TO HELP FOLKS NAVIGATE BACK TO THE WEBSITE.
ALRIGHT, UH, ONE OVERRIDING THING THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS, UH, AND I'VE TALKED TO UH, ALEX ABOUT IT, IS WHEN WE, WHEN WE PASTE THESE, UH, TABLES, PARTICULARLY IN OUR SECTION IN, WE NEED TO PASTE THEM IN AS MICROSOFT, UM, ACTIVE, UM, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT PICTURES AND WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES.
'CAUSE THERE'S A FEW CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED.
AND SO ALEX IS GONNA WORK ON THAT AND GET THAT TO YOU.
UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS? OH, BY THE WAY, WE DID GET IN ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT IS IMPORTANT.
IT JUST CAME IN WITHIN HOURS AND THAT IS THE TABLE.
THAT IS WHAT THE ERCOT AND ERCOT TYPE CHARGES WERE DURING THE EVENT TO C P SS, WHICH TIED, UH, TO THEIR, UH, THEIR FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES.
AND, UH, WE WILL INSERT THAT CHART.
WE WERE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT BEFORE YOU GOT HERE.
IT, IT'S MUCH MORE DETAILED, MUCH MORE COMPLICATED.
AND AGAIN, I I THINK IT'S, IT'S $380 MILLION.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE CHARGES ARE FROM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL FROM ERCOT.
SOME OF 'EM ARE THIRD PARTY CHARGES FOR ERCOT TYPE ACTIVITY.
AND, AND I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BEN, I COULD STAND CORRECTED.
I THINK WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING WE'VE ASKED FOR.
IS THAT RIGHT OR NOT CHAIR? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE STAFF TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANYTHING PENDING.
I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT OUTSTANDING.
DON'T YOU USE THE MARK UP THERE? GOOD MORNING, RUSSELL HUFF, ASSISTANT PUBLIC UTILITIES DIRECTOR.
UH, THERE'S JUST ONE ITEM, BEN.
IT'S THE CLARIFICATION ON HOW WE CAN GET PRICING ABOVE THE $9,000 CAP AND THE NEGATIVE PRICING THAT WAS REFLECTED AT THE DATA.
IT COULD BE JUST BAD DATA POINT OR SOMETHING THAT GOT REPORTED WRONG, BUT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, I THINK WE'VE GOT IT.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S COME IN ON NEW, ON THE DOCUMENTS OR THAT Y'ALL WANNA TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS? UM, FROM, FROM THIS POINT ON.
UH, LISA, WHY DON'T YOU KIND OF GIVE US A BRIEFING OF WHERE, WHERE WE ARE, UH, WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH IT? I WILL DO MY BEST.
UM, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE FIRST COMPILATION OF ALL OF OUR WORK COMBINED TOGETHER.
UM, BEFORE GETTING INTO ANY ASPECTS THERE, I I TRIED TO FOLLOW ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT THE FLOW, THE CONTENT HAS BEEN PUT IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
I HAVE NOT PUT IN ANY NEW CONTENT OTHER THAN THE BEGINNING OF HELP FROM STAFF ON THE BACKGROUND.
SO, UM, THERE ARE SOME PIECES THAT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FILL IN AND THEN ASK YOU FOR REVIEW AND SOME INPUT ON SOME OTHER ASPECTS.
SO FIRST OF ALL, AS I MENTIONED, THE ENDNOTES ARE THERE SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO CONTINUE WITH DIFFERENT CITATIONS OR REFERENCES, BUT NOT BOGGED DOWN THE DOCUMENT.
TO CLAYTON'S POINT, UM, WE WILL DEVELOP THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
UM, WE WILL DEVELOP THE METHODOLOGY.
AND IN THE METHODOLOGY THAT'S WHERE WE WILL, UM, BE ABLE TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO KIND OF CHRONICLE OUR ACTIVITY FROM THE WEEKLY MEETINGS DOWN TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE GROUPS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, WE HAVE NOT TOUCHED ON A COUPLE OF ASPECTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF OUR ONGOING DISCUSSION.
AND I'M GONNA USE MANNY'S TERMS, UM, THE HUMAN ASPECTS,
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SO THE HUMAN ASPECTS, THE CLAYTON'S POINT, THE SURROUNDING CITIES THAT ARE IN SERVICE AREAS.EACH ONE OF OUR COMMITTEES HAS BEEN VERY DEDICATED TO THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF WHAT WENT WRONG AND HOW.
AND SO NOW WE NEED TO ADD THE NEXT LAYER, WHICH IS THE IMPACT TO THE CONSTITUENTS, THE IMPACT TO THE PUBLIC, AND TO THE PEOPLE.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WILL TAKE A LOT OF WORK, BUT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR FROM EACH OF YOU IS, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS, OXYGEN TOWING, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, I I THINK CLAYTON, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT THE FRUSTRATION OF NOT BEING ABLE TO BE IN THE COMMUNICATION LOOP.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DEAR TO YOUR HEART, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME IF YOU WOULD DRAFT SOMETHING SO THAT I CAN GET YOUR THOUGHTS AND JUST IN A WORD DOCUMENT AND SHARE IT, AND THEN WE CAN WORK ON PUTTING IN THESE ASPECTS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TOUCHING.
IT ALLOWS ME TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M SPEAKING WITH OUR UNIFIED VOICE.
IT GIVES ME THE DATA TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T FORGET SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT MAY BE A TOUCH IN MY NOTES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS INCORPORATED IN.
UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE FROM EACH OF YOU ALSO IS TO TAKE A REVIEW OF THE DRAFT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, PROVIDE THAT INPUT AND ANY FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT.
THIS IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE I HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES.
I DID SOME RESTRUCTURE, I HAVE TOUCHED CONTENT MINIMALLY, AND THAT'S IN TRACK CHANGES.
BUT NOW I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE RESTRUCTURE, I HAVEN'T LOST YOUR SUBSTANTIVE MEANING.
SO IF SOMETHING HAS BEEN MOVED AND YOU FEEL THAT THAT IS CHANGING THE IMPACT OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, I NEED THAT, THAT FEEDBACK SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO SAY AND NOT GOTTEN LOST IN THE FORMATTING.
UH, AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, TO WHOM DID IT HAPPEN AND HOW BAD WAS IT? UM, PARTIAL PORTION OF IT.
I THINK THAT, UM, THE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE HAVE THE, UM, HAVE THE STAFF ON THE GROUND TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE THAT, THAT, THAT INFORMATION VERY QUICKLY.
AND JUST A SUGGESTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF CLAYTON WERE TO DO, UM, THE SMALL BUSINESS, IF ANA WERE TO DO NON-PROFITS, IF I WAS TO DO, I DON'T KNOW, RESIDENTIAL BIG BUSINESS OR YOU KNOW, IF FATHER DAN WAS TO DO RESIDENTIAL OR BIG BUSINESS, I THINK THOSE ARE THE FOUR CATEGORIES THAT WE CAN SAY, LOOK, HERE, HERE ARE THE STORIES, RIGHT? UM, AND SORT OF WHAT HAPPENED TO PEOPLE.
ALTERNATIVELY, EACH, EACH OF US CAN JUST SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, UH, STORIES THAT CHECK OFF THOSE BOXES.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OUR STAFFS ARE ALL PROBABLY WATCHING THE VIDEO AND SOME OF 'EM IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
AND I MEAN, I BET YOU THEY CAN DO THIS WITHIN A DAY.
I AM FINE WITH ANYBODY HELPING TO CARRY THE WATER.
ANYWAY, I JUST THROW THAT OUT.
THAT SUGGESTION FOR Y'ALL TO CHEW ON.
SO IS A, IS A GENERAL RULE, JUST FOLLOWING ON WHAT MANNY'S SAYING AS A GENERAL RULE, HOW DO YOU WANT US TO SUBMIT CHANGES TO YOU? I, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DEALING WITH THE DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, MARKING IT UP WITH MARKUPS.
HOW DO YOU WANT, HOW DO YOU WANT THIS COMING TO YOU? DO YOU WANT IT COMING TO YOU DIRECTLY THROUGH ALEX THROUGH HOW DO YOU WANT THIS, HOW DO YOU WANT TO GET THE FEEDBACK FROM US? NO, I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, SO THANK YOU.
UM, AND ALEX AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY OVER THE LAST 24 48 HOURS AS IT STANDS.
UM, AND BEN CAN APPRECIATE THIS.
IN PUBLIC FINANCE, WE HAVE SOMETIMES 25 TO 40 PEOPLE ON A TEAM PROVIDING FEEDBACK.
SO I AM FINE IF YOU WANT TO SEND IT BACK IN A TRACK CHANGE OR IN A HAND MARKUP BACK TO ME BECAUSE I'M ONLY GONNA WORK ON ONE DRAFT WITH ALEX.
WE'LL PULL EVERYTHING ELSE IN.
UM, AND THE SAME THING WITH ANY WORD DOCUMENT FOR SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION.
AND THEN ALEX AND I WILL TAG TEAM WITH THE STAFF THAT'S BEEN TAGGED TO HELP WITH ALL OF THIS.
GET IT IN AND THEN WE'LL CIRCULATE PRIMARILY I THINK FIRST TO ANNA AND ED, UM, AS THAT CORE GROUP OF EYES ON A WORKING GROUP, AND THEN TRY TO PUSH OUT ANOTHER DRAFT VERY QUICKLY FOR EVERYONE'S REVIEW.
SO IF WE WORK WITH THE TRACK CHANGE, SHOULD WE USE THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU SENT THIS MORNING, WHICH I ASSUME IS THIS DOCUMENT? THAT'S CORRECT.
DID EVERYBODY GET THAT? YOU GOT IT? ED, DID YOU, ANNA YOU GOT THAT CHANGED? YOU GOT THAT DOCUMENT? YES, I HAVE IT.
IS IS THAT, IS THAT JEFF? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
AM I THE ANNA THAT YOU REFER TO RIGHT NOW? YES.
I DIDN'T HEAR THAT, BUT
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QUESTION ON THAT AND I JUST ASKED MANNY AND I THOUGHT THAT THE REASON WE ASKED LISA WAS SO THAT IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE THE COUNCIL WAS KIND OF GRADING THEMSELVES.SO I WAS LIKE, IS THAT GONNA LOOK OKAY? I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK FINE.
YES, BECAUSE THIS IS THE COMMITTEE AND LISA'S NOT DOING ALL OF THIS AND SPEAKING FOR LISA ONLY.
YOU CHECK THOSE GOLD BADGES AT THE DOOR.
I'M SO PROUD TO BE SELECTED TO BE PART OF THE FINAL DRAFTING.
WELL, HERE'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT, I, I KNOW WE USED TO GET INTO THIS WHEN WE WERE DOING ANNUAL REPORTS, WE'D HAVE OUR, EVERYBODY SITTING AROUND A TABLE WITH THAT LAST DRAFT AND IT GETS A LITTLE TEDIOUS, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I GUESS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SCHEDULE SOME KIND OF FINAL READ ON IT.
UH, AND, UH, SO LET'S, LET'S PUT A PIN IN THAT, BUT IN A MINUTE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S EXACTLY, UH, RELATED TO WHAT Y'ALL CAN DO AND YOUR STAFF CAN DO, WHICH IS TO GET THAT INPUT.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT'S A CONFLICT.
NO, THEN AT THAT POINT, UM, IT'LL, IT'LL BE A MATTER OF KIND OF GETTING SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND GRABBING CALENDAR AND STARTING TO LOOK AT WHAT THE AMOUNT OF TIME'S GONNA TAKE TO DO THIS REVIEW TO BRING THIS NEXT INPUT IN AND ENOUGH TIME FOR ALEX AND I WITH MY CALENDAR TO PUT THAT LAST PIECE TOGETHER AND THEN GET IT TO THE SMALLER WORKING GROUP TO PUSH IT OUT.
GRAB MY CALENDAR TO START LOOKING AT THAT.
THAT AND WHEN WOULD YOU THINK THAT AND I, I'LL HELP ON THAT SMALLER WORKING GROUP.
UH, I FEEL LIKE A HOE ON THAT.
UH, SO LET'S, UH, WHEN DO YOU WANT THAT WORKING GROUP TO SIT DOWN WITH THE FINAL DRAFT? LET'S WORK BACK.
IF WE TURN THIS IN ON THURSDAY, UH, WHEN DO WE, WHEN DO WE LOOK AT THE FINAL? WHEN DO WE GO THROUGH THE FINAL, THE NEXT, NOT THE FINAL.
WHEN DO WE GO THROUGH THE, THE NEXT TURN I GUESS I SHOULD SAY? RIGHT? OKAY, SO YOU SAID THURSDAY.
SO HERE'S THE MAGIC WE MEET ON FRIDAYS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT AS A SMALL BUSINESS, I PRETTY MUCH WORK SEVEN DAYS A WEEK JUST TO GET MY STUFF DONE RIGHT? BUT STAFF IS NOT HERE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FOR THAT KIND OF PULL.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET INPUT, WE ARE DONE HERE HALF DAY.
SO YOU'RE TALKING AT LEAST MONDAY CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON A HARD PRESS FOR MOST PEOPLE JUGGLING ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO YOU SEE HOW IT, IT STARTS AT THAT POINT.
SO FOR ME, IN ORDER TO GET IT DONE AND GET IT DONE, WELL MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS JUST AS WE DID THIS LAST ROUND, CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON TUESDAY.
SO THAT WE HAVE THAT FEEDBACK AND THEN I NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AT LEAST A, A DAY.
I GOTTA LOOK AT MY CALENDAR AND MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE A MEDIATION ON THAT DAY.
WELL, BUT, UM, YEAH, LET, LET'S, LET'S CHECK.
THAT IS, MY THOUGHT IS LIKE TWO DAYS TO PUT TOGETHER, GET TO THE SMALL GROUP.
THIS AGAIN, I, I USED YOUR DATE, THE 17TH.
WELL I WAS SAYING THE 15TH AND OF I WAS SAID THE 17TH.
YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO KIND OF PUSH BACK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE DRAFTING IS GONNA TAKE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.
SO ARE WE NOT GOING TO TURN IT OUT? THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL.
ARE WE NOT TURNING IT OUT ON THE 17TH? DO WE KNOW? I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO TURN OUT ON THE 17TH.
ORIGINALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MEETINGS AND A JUNE 15TH DEADLINE, AND THEN BY THE TIME WE ACTUALLY GOT OUR WORK TOGETHER, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE EVEN ON A GOOD DILIGENT TRACK.
UM, AND ALEX CAN WAVE AT ME IF I'M MISSPEAKING.
I THINK THAT IF WE GIVE OURSELVES TWO WEEKS TO GET TO THE DEADLINE, THAT GETS US THROUGH THE NEXT DRAFT IN A FINAL PAGE TURN.
'CAUSE I, I NEED TO GIVE FOLKS, UM, I'VE PROBABLY MISINFORMED PEOPLE.
I NEED TO GET 'EM PROPERLY INFORMED.
THE WONDERFUL MYSTERY BALANCE TO A LOT OF THIS IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PLATES.
I SURE, SURE OVERHEARD, UM, ANNA EVEN, YOU KNOW, GIVING INSTRUCTION, CLEAR MY CALENDAR, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT YOU, IN ORDER TO TRY TO EVEN GET ACCOMPLISHED TIME, LET'S, LET'S WORK BACK FROM
WE'RE NOT GONNA SWEAR IN, ALRIGHT, LET, LET'S WORK, LET'S WALK FORWARD OR BACKWARDS EITHER WAY, BUT IF WE WALK, WORK FORWARD TO FROM TODAY.
SO, OKAY, THIS IS GONNA BE A, A MOVING PART FOR ME FOR A MOMENT, BUT I'M STILL THINKING THAT IF YOU ALL GIVE FEEDBACK BY TUESDAY CLOSE OF BUSINESS, THEN WE HAVE THE NEXT SET OF DATA, UM, FOR THE MISSING PIECES TO PUT THE PROS TOGETHER.
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THEN IF WE GIVE OURSELVES A COUPLE OF DAYS, I'M GOING BACK TO A REGULAR CALENDAR SO I CAN ACTUALLY SEE THESE DAYS.SO THAT WOULD BE THE 15TH MM-HMM.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE CAN HAVE INTERNALLY WITH THE STAFF AND, UM, MY HELP, AND THEN IF I TAP ANYBODY, I CAN TAP FOLKS BETWEEN WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY.
MY COMMITMENT THEN WOULD BE THAT FRIDAY MIDDAY WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AT THE LATEST A DRAFT FOR, AND I'LL CIRCULATE IT TO EVERYONE.
BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO ON LABOR IS JUST TAG THREE POINT PEOPLE TO DO THE YEOMAN'S WORK.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN, THAT'S FINE, BUT CIRCULATING THAT NEXT DRAFT OUT WOULD HAPPEN ON THAT FRIDAY.
AND THEN FEEDBACK PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE IS BY THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON MONDAY.
UM, THAT SHOULD GET US CLOSE TO A PAGE TURN AT THAT POINT ON THAT MONDAY.
THE REAL THOUGHT PROCESS IS GOING TO BE, NOW THAT WE HAVE ALL THE DATA WITHIN THE CORE OF THE SUBSTANTIVE STRUCTURE, WHAT CHANGES, IF ANY, NEED TO BE MADE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, CONCLUSION SECTION AND ACTUALLY WRITING THE, THE CONCLUSION OF THE PAPER.
THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO UNTIL THE REST OF THE BODY OF THE WORK IS DONE.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO WE TURN ON THE 21ST AND THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT TIMEFRAME YOU'RE LOOKING AT? THEN WE CAN TARGET FOR 23RD, 24TH.
I TRY TO GIVE US A LITTLE ROOM FOR THE UNKNOWN EXPECTATIONS OF A FINAL DOCUMENT FOR A PAGE TURN EITHER ON THE 23RD OR THE 24TH.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY ONCE WE'VE GOTTEN EVERYTHING BACK ON THAT MONDAY OF, UM, WHEN, WHEN DO YOU THINK A FINAL DOCUMENT COULD BE DONE? I'M, I'M CONFUSED NOW.
WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, WHERE ARE WE HEADING AT INSTEAD OF THE 17TH? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE 24TH? PROBABLY.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I WELCOME SOMEBODY ELSE'S INPUT, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN GET IT DONE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO WE'RE ALL HERE TOGETHER, RIGHT? THIS IS OUR LAST TIME.
WE NEED TO KIND OF GET THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS.
SO IF, IF WE, INSTEAD OF ISSUING IT ON THE 17TH, IF WE TAKE AN ADDITIONAL WEEK, WE ISSUED IT ON THE 24TH BECAUSE, UM, UM, AND THEN THAT RAISES A QUESTION FOR ME BECAUSE IN MY PROCESSES, USUALLY WHEN I'M DOING WORK WITH THE CITY ON HIRE, I OFFER A FINAL DRAFT FOR FEEDBACK AND TO MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I NEED TO CLARIFY IN THE DOCUMENT.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DELIVERED IN THE WEEK PRIOR OR A FEW DAYS PRIOR TO SAY, HEY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND X OR CAN YOU ELABORATE ON Y? UM, AND THEN WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR SO THAT THE FIRST PERSON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR CARRYING THE LOAD AFTERWARDS UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT DOCUMENT IS.
OTHERWISE, YOUR FINAL STOPS BEING YOUR FINAL WELL WE'VE GOT THEN HAVE TO GO BACK TO MAYBE THREE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, WELL WE'RE, WE'RE, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M ASKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE.
'CAUSE FOR ME, NORMALLY I, I HEARD YOU LAST WEEK SAYING IT'S DELIVERY TO THE MAYOR, SO YEAH, IT, IT, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, AND NOW I, I JUST FOUND OUT THIS MORNING THEY WANT, THEY WANTED BRIEFING TO THE COUNCIL.
SO I CAN'T, YOU CAN'T BRIEF THE COUNCIL TILL YOU GIVE THE REPORT AND WE CAN'T GIVE THE REPORT UNTIL WE CAN GET IT WRITTEN.
SO, UH, NOW, NOW AGAIN, I'M, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING REASONABLE HERE, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF, IF, IF WE CAN, BECAUSE THAT'S MY LAST WEEK IN TOWN.
I'VE GOTTA GO START HARVESTING.
SO, UH, THE 21ST IS MY LAST WEEK IN TOWN.
SO IF, IF Y'ALL, IF WE CAN GET IT DONE IN THAT WEEK AND POTENTIALLY GIVE IT TO THE MAYOR ON THE 24TH, I'LL DO WHATEVER I NEED TO DO ON DRAFTING TO GET IT DONE BY THEN.
AND, AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UM, THAT'S FINE.
WELL, AND MY, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE 23RD, BUT I WAS STRETCHING TO THE 24TH TO GIVE A CUSHION FOR, YEAH.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING THAT MUCH.
THIS, THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING HERE.
YEAH, NO, UH, COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE A LA MEETING THAT, SO THEN WHAT THAT MEANS IS I'LL BE GONE AFTER THAT FOR A MONTH, UH, WORKING.
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BRIEFING OR SOMETHING SO SOMEBODY CAN DO THAT.UM, AND DO YOU, SORRY, SO NOT SCHEDULING THE BRIEFING ON THE 24TH THEN? WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE A MEETING.
THERE'S NO COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 24TH.
UNLESS YOU WANT SOME KIND OF FREE BRIEFING AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT UNTIL WE'VE WRITTEN THE REPORT.
UH, CHAIR, ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN DO IS GO BACK AND SEE WHAT THE POSSIBILITY OF US CALLING A SPECIAL, UM, COUNCIL SESSION FOR THE 24TH.
EVERYBODY, THEY'RE COUNTING ON NOT BEING THERE THAT DAY.
YEAH, THEY THINK WE HAVE BUDGET SESSION ON THE 24TH OR 25TH.
I HAVE THE 23RD, 24TH, 25TH SESSIONS.
IT'S OUR GOAL SETTING SESSION ON THE 25TH.
SO IS THERE A, IS THERE A, IT, IS THERE A B SESSION ON THE 23RD? THERE IS NOT, NO SIR.
IT'S OUR LAST MEETING WOULD BE THE 17TH NEXT THURSDAY.
AND THEN, UM, THERE ARE NO COUNCIL MEETINGS OR B SESSIONS UNTIL AUGUST CURRENTLY CALENDARED.
UM, AS WE WORK ON GOAL SETTING AND WE GO INTO OUR BUDGET PROCESS.
SO, WELL, THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS TO WORK IT AS FAST, IT CAN BE WORKED AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND I'LL LEAN ON SOME MORE PEOPLE FOR SOME MORE HELP BECAUSE I AM A SOLO SHOP RIGHT NOW.
WE, WE CLEARLY, YEAH, WE, YEAH.
SO A COUPLE, UM, I AGREE WITH THAT.
UH, OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THE 17TH AND I GUESS THAT'S WHY HERE, HERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
WE CAN DO A A, A TOP LEVEL, UM, BRIEFING ON THE 17TH WITH A REPORT TO FOLLOW.
UM, WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON THAT? I DON'T, I DON'T CARE.
YOU KNOW, CHAIR, IF I MAY, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE AGENDA FOR THE GOAL SETTING SESSION AND SEE IF THERE'S TIME TO DO IT EARLY ON BEFORE WE GO INTO THE BUDGET SESSION.
UM, IT DOES CHANGE THE TENOR OF THE MEETING.
UM, ANOTHER OPTION IS TO LOOK FOR A, OUR, WE HAVE A FULL DAY, UH, BUDGET SESSION ON THE 25TH, SO YOU WILL HAVE EVERYONE CONVENED AT THAT TIME.
USUALLY WE GET OUT LIKE AT 3:00 PM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AGAIN, IT CHANGES THE FOCUS OF THE DAY.
ANOTHER OPTION YOU, YOU MAY WISH TO CONSIDER IS, IS THIS ALSO GOING TO GO TO THE UTILITY BOARDS? IF SO, DO YOU WANT TO, JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE.
HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARDS AND THE COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CHARGE WAS TO GIVE THE MAYOR A REPORT AND, AND UH, THAT WAS WHERE I WAS DRIVING TO.
UM, IF, IF HE REQUESTS SOMEONE GIVE A BRIEFING, THEN YOU GIVE A BRIEFING.
I MEAN, WE DO HAVE ELECTRONICS AND SO IT CAN BE DONE IF WE HAVE TO REMOTELY.
UM, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS SINCE THE MAYOR ASKED FOR IT, I'D PREFER TO GIVE IT TO THE MAYOR AND THEN LET HIM DECIDE WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH IT, BECAUSE WE'RE HERE AT HIS PLEASURE BEST.
OR MAYBE HE DECIDES WHEN WE PRESENT IT.
AND, AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS FOLLOW PRO PROPER PROTOCOL, NOT OFFEND ANYBODY.
SO WE PROBABLY WILL, BUT WE'LL TRY NOT TO.
UM, AND IF THE LAST MEETING IS THE 17TH AND, AND HE WANTS A BRIEFING ON THE 17TH, THEN BETWEEN THE FINAL REPORT AND PERHAPS A BRIEFING, SHOULD, SHOULD THERE BE TWO DIFFERENT APPROACHES? UH, AND, AND, UH, OR, OR WHAT? I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT GIVING ANY ANSWERS HERE.
I THINK OUR, WE NEED FEEDBACK.
I THINK OUR JOB IS TO DO THE BEST REPORT WE POSSIBLY CAN AND WE TELL THE MAYOR WHEN THAT'S AVAILABLE.
AND, AND I MEAN HE HAS THE POWER TO CONVENE THE, THE COUNCIL WHEN HE WANTS.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF THERE, WELL LET'S SET THE 24TH.
AS FAR AS DOING A BRIEFING BEFORE, I'M CLEARLY NOT THAT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT UNTIL WE'VE FINISHED THE REPORT AND BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
THE WHOLE GROUP, WE'VE WORKED AS A GROUP VERY WELL AND I DON'T INTEND TO BUST IT UP SOME WAY NOW AS THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT ORGANIZATION OR GROUP TO WORK WITH.
SO LET'S JUST POINT, LISA, IF THAT'S MAKES SENSE, TURNING A REPORT IN AND ON THE
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24TH, CERTAINLY, SO FEEDBACK WILL BE DUE ON TUESDAY THE 15TH CLOSE OF BUSINESS.THEN WE WILL WORK INTERNALLY IN THE SMALLER GROUP TO MAKE THAT TURNAROUND BETWEEN THURSDAY, LATE DAY AND FRIDAY.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL BE ON TRACK.
ALRIGHT, LET'S, LET'S, SO DID ANYBODY ELSE NOT QUITE GET THAT? SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, SIR.
AND I'M JUST SAYING THIS BACK, NOT, NOT, IS THAT, UM, THAT WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR PLATE TODAY, WE NEED TO GIVE YOU ANY CHANGES THAT WE HAVE BY CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON TUESDAY YES.
FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND CHANGES.
AND, AND OTHER AT THIS POINT, OTHER THAN A CLARIFYING POINT OF THOSE POINTS BEING OUT OF THE 9,000, I KNOW NOTHING FROM C P S, DO Y'ALL KNOW ANYTHING FROM SAS THAT NEEDS TO COME IN? C OKAY.
SO WE PRETTY MUCH GOT EVERYTHING IN.
I DON'T KNOW, ED GOT A QUESTION? NO, I THOUGHT PART OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS IF PEOPLE WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING IN ON THE HUMAN SIDE OF THIS, THEN THEY NEED TO DRAFT THAT.
I THINK JUST AS A R O E, WHATEVER YOU HAVE, YOU OWE A DRAFT OF IT BY A CLOSE OF BUSINESS TUESDAY.
OTHERWISE WE'RE KIND OF LOCKING THE DOCUMENT FOR, UH, CHANGES OTHER THAN UNFORESEEN ONES TUESDAY, C O B.
AND, AND I THINK TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ALL OF US ARE ON THE SAME PAGE, UM, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CLARITY.
UH, I THINK LIKE RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO DECIDE IF EACH OF US COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GOING TO SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INFORMATION, UM, YOU KNOW, AND JUST FROM MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE ANGLES OR ARE Y'ALL INTERESTED IN DIVIDING UP THE THEMES? UH, GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I, WHAT I WAS PLANNING TO DO, I'LL THROW THIS OUT THERE, IS MY OFFICE MET WITH SEVERAL COMMUNITY GROUPS ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF THE STORM AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD, UH, BASICALLY WRITE THAT UP AND, AND SUBMIT IT.
UM, HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU GUYS IF YOU WANNA ADD TO IT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MY, MY STAFF IS WATCHING AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR FELLOWS ARE BACK THERE.
I, I THINK THAT WE CAN JUST ADD ON TO YOURS AND, OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD.
AND, AND ARE WE THINKING THIS IS A SEPARATE SECTION IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT? THAT DEPENDS ON HOW IT CAME IN BECAUSE MY, UH, MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT PROCESS WAS THAT WE HAD THESE PIECES, UM, THERE WERE, WERE COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, THE SURROUNDING CITIES, WHICH WOULD BE MORE OF A HOLISTIC PIECE.
UM, IF THERE ARE PIECES THAT FIT WITHIN THE, UNDER UNDERLYING CATEGORIES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
BUT THE WHOLE IMPACT OF THE PEOPLE PART MAKES SENSE TO PUT AS A SEPARATE DIVISION, WHICH WOULD BE, I THINK LETTER D.
IS IT A SEPARATE SECTION OR IS IT UNDER THE COMMUNICATION SECTION? EACH SECTION HAS A COMMUNICATION SECTION WITHIN THE UTILITIES.
SO IT WOULD STAND ALONE, BUT, BUT ON TUESDAY MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO THE 15TH ON TUESDAY, WE'VE GOT ALL THE CONTENT IN THERE.
THEN BETWEEN THE 15TH AND, AND THE 18TH, YOU'LL TAKE THAT CONTENT AND PUT IT IN A VOICE.
THEN IT'LL TURN BACK TO US ON THE 18TH AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TO THE 21ST TO COMMENT ON THAT.
NOW THE 21ST IS, IS, UH, IS A MONDAY.
IS, DID I, DID I GET THAT WRONG? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO CONTENT ON THE 15TH THEN REVIEW OF CONTENT ON THE 18TH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YEAH, WE'LL REVIEW THE, SET THE CONTENT, REVIEW THE CONTENT.
SO ON THE 18TH WE'VE GOT ALL THE CONTENT AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY EVERYBODY IN ONE DOCUMENT.
THEN FROM THE 18TH TO, TO MONDAY THE 21ST, WHAT DO WE DO THERE? THAT'S YOUR, THE 15TH TO THE 18TH IS THE INNER WORKING GROUP TO PUSH OUT WHAT SHOULD BE THE FINAL DRAFT, IF NOT THE FINAL DOCUMENT FOR REVIEW ON BY EVERYONE ON THE 18TH.
SO YOU HAVE FROM THE 18TH TO THE 21ST TO REVIEW THAT FINAL DRAFT OKAY.
SO, OKAY, SO THE EIGHT, SO THE 21ST CLOSE
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OF VISIT ON THE 21ST, IT'S FINALLY REVIEWED.NOW FROM THE 21ST TO WHEN WE ISSUE THE REPORT IS YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOME INTRODUCTIONS, CLOSINGS, OR NOTHING.
THAT SHOULD BE DONE BY THE 18TH WITH REFINEMENTS BEING DONE ON THE FEEDBACK YOU GIVE ME ON THE 21ST.
WHAT, SO THAT'S WHY POTENTIALLY WE COULD HAVE A FINAL DOCUMENT FOR A FINAL PAGE TURN AS EARLY AS THE 22ND OR THE 23RD.
SO, UM, OKAY, LET'S JUST SAY THAT THAT FROM THEN ON THE SAY IT'S REALLY THE 2020 SECOND IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M JUST SAYING COMING IN ON THE 21ST, IS IT, YOU'VE GOTTEN, YOU'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOTTEN ALL THE CONTENT.
YOU'VE REVIEWED THE CONTENT BECAUSE THE, THE CONTENT'S ALL GOTTA BE IN THERE BY THE 15TH.
OKAY, GOT THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
AND THEN ON THE 21ST YOU'VE PUT IT IN A VOICE.
SO WE CAN WE GET ONE MORE SHOT AT THAT? SO BY CLOSING BUSINESS ON THE 22ND, WE SHOULD HAVE ANY COMMENTS BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I NEED TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS AND THEN I CAN INCORPORATE ANY OF THOSE OTHER TRACK CHANGES, ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS, ANY SUBSTANTIVE CORRECTIONS.
AND THEN FOR THAT THEN WE ISSUE A REPORT ON THE 24TH.
ARE WE ALL TOGETHER ON THAT? I KNOW THAT'S A LOT OF DETAIL AND IT'S A LOT MORE STRUCTURE WE'RE NORMALLY USED TO, BUT WE GOTTA DO THIS.
WE GOT, WE GOTTA FIGURE THIS OUT.
ANNA, IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? YEAH, IT'S GREAT.
BUT CAN SOMEONE TYPE THAT UP? I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, ANY OF THE STAFF WAS LISTENING JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT WHEN WE WALK OUT TODAY.
I THINK, IF YOU DON'T MIND ALEX.
WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL HOLD OVER AFTER THE MEETING YOU AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WHAT I'VE GOTTEN WRITTEN HERE, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD EVERYBODY HERE IS ACTUALLY WHAT GOES OUT.
AND WE'LL SEND THAT OUT SO THAT WE'LL HAVE EVERYBODY'S EXPECTATION AND TIMING TOGETHER.
ANYBODY? ANYONE? ALRIGHT, JUST YES.
NO, JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS CITY IS CLOSED ON MONDAY, THE 21ST.
SO JUST F Y I STAFF WILL HAVE TO WORK, BUT JUST ONCE PUT IT.
SORRY, WAS IT 18TH? IT'S THE 18TH OF FRIDAY.
ALRIGHT, GOT ANYTHING ELSE ASIDE FROM, I THINK LISA TATUM IS AWESOME, UH, AND THAT SHE'S, UH, VERY GENEROUS WITH HER TIME.
YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO CLAYTON JUST LISTEN TO ALL THIS, THIS IS GREAT ON COMING UP WITH A FORMAT, FINALIZING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL, UH, LINED UP TO GET LAUNCH THIS, THIS, UM, REPORT, UH, TO THE MAYOR AND THEN HIM DECIDING WHAT TO DO WITH THIS THING AFTER THAT.
I, I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT'S RIGHT ON.
UH, BUT THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT JUST GONNA STAY IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
THIS IS GONNA GO OUT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY, UH, ALL OVER THE STATE AND MAYBE EVEN THE NATION.
SO WE GOTTA MAKE SURE ALL THIS STUFF IS IN, UH, TOP SHAPE.
UM, YEAH, WELL WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT ON OUT, BUT YEAH.
YEAH, I I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON TARGET ON A LOT OF ISSUES HERE THAT, UH, UH, IS LESSONS LEARNED, RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET, GET OUT FROM THIS EXPERIENCE FROM THIS, UH, UH, SNOWSTORM.
WELL, WORKING WITH, UH, BEN AND, AND RUSSELL AND JEFF, WE'VE, WE'VE FOUND SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, TO FIRM THIS UP WITH ON SOME, ON SOME SIGHTINGS, UH, FROM ERCOT.
SO IT'LL GET, IT'S, IT'S GETTING A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED, BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE'VE GOTTA DOCUMENT WHERE WE'RE GETTING ALL THIS FROM.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.
I'LL SHOW YOU, UH, IF YOU CAN HOLD OVER FOR A MINUTE AFTER WE FINISHED ON, I'LL TAKE IT TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE FOUND.
UH, ALSO, UH, WE'RE GONNA GET THE, UH, THE CHARTS, UH, MOVED OVER IN A MICROSOFT, UH, ACTIVE, UH, FORM SO THAT IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE TITLE OR SQUEEZE IT DOWN, UH, WHEN THEY COME OVER IN PICTURES, AS YOU COULD SEE FROM YOUR DRAFT, THAT SOME OF 'EM WERE JUST TOO BIG AND WE COULD SQUEEZE 'EM DOWN AND, AND PAGINATE IT BETTER.
AND, UH, SO THAT'LL BE SOME STUFF THAT WE'LL DO, UH, DURING THE, DURING THE DRAFTING.
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY? I HAVE ONE MORE, SORRY.
AT THE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DOCUMENT, I FEEL
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LIKE, AND, AND, UM, I KNOW WE WERE BEING JUST VERY FACTUAL ABOUT IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THINGS WENT WRONG ENOUGH.I, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, IT IT'S THERE ANOTHER WAY OR MAYBE IT'S THROUGH THE STORIES THEN THAT I WAS JUST, IT'S, IT'S NOT FINISHED UNTIL WE DO THE EXECUTIVE, UNTIL WE BUILD OUT THE BACKGROUND AND UNTIL WE PUT THE METHODOLOGY.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU ONLY HAVE THE HEADERS.
SO, AND THAT'S WHY I NEED THE REST OF THE SUBSTANCE.
IS SO THEN I CAN ACTUALLY PUT THE OTHER DOCUMENT PIECES TOGETHER.
THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK WAS MISSING.
SO I'LL HAVE MY FEEDBACK TO YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE? I I ACTUALLY YEAH, GO AHEAD.
I ACTUALLY HAD, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THREE-ISH QUESTIONS ON THE DOCUMENT AS IT STANDS NOW THAT, THAT ARE PROBABLY MORE THAN JUST PASSING 'EM OVER THAT MAYBE CAN BE CLARIFIED WHILE WE'RE ALL HERE, IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO, UM, AND I GUESS EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF IT, BUT THE, THE FIRST ONE, UH, HAD TO DO WITH, UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON HERE? PAGE FIVE.
UNDER C P S RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE.
WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, REQUIRING ALL GENERATORS AND MARKETERS AT ERCOT, UM, TO MAINTAIN RESERVE CAPACITY, AND THEN WE SAY, REQUIRE THE STATE OF TEXAS TO MAKE INVESTMENTS TO CONNECT ERCOT TO THE GRIDS EAST AND WEST, AND THEN WE SAY, REQUIRE THE STATE OF TEXAS TO GUARANTEE LOANS TO MUNICIPALITIES.
THE QUESTION IS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE EACH ONE OF THOSE SUFFICIENT IN AND OF THEMSELVES OR, OR DO WE THINK, ARE WE, ARE WE RECOMMENDING THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE NECESSARY? THEY, THEY, IN ORDER TO, TO SORT OF, THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER IN MY MIND.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SAYING WE'VE GOTTA GET PEOPLE TO, TO SUPPLY IT, WE ALSO NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEED TO INTERCONNECT AND WE ALSO NEED TO RECOGNIZE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME FINANCIAL LOW INTEREST LOANS, GUARANTEED LOANS FOR THAT.
THAT'S SO THEY ARE INTERCONNECTED.
UM, YOU COULD SAY THE GRID MAYBE COULD BE A STANDALONE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S WORKING WITH RENEWABLES, EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT SPREADING THESE BIG TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS TOGETHER.
THE BIGGER THE, THE BIGGER THE NUMBER OF, OF UNITS IN AN INSURED BOX, THE LOWER THE WRIST.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO, IT'S A WAY TO, TO SPREAD THE WRIST.
SO IN MY MIND, I GUESS THAT'S, 'CAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN THAT WAY, IS THAT THOSE KIND OF INTERRELATE.
IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE CAN SET, SET 'EM UP.
BUT IF WE DON'T CHANGE THE STRUCTURE WE'RE UNDER, WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK IN THE SAME MIX AND IT'S GONNA GET WORSE BECAUSE, AND I DO SEE THOSE AS THE THREE PIECES OF IT.
ALL WE, WE WANT, WE THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE NECESSARY, I THINK.
WOULD ONE WORK WITHOUT THE OTHER ONE? THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE ARE VERY HARD TO MAKE WORK.
BECAUSE AFTER, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE, THE, THE PAIN THAT WAS BEEN INFLICTED BY THIS, YOU'VE GOT SOME, SOME, SOME REGULATED UTILITIES LIKE US IN THE RES THAT REALLY ARE KIND OF, WE'RE, WE'RE FORTUNATE WE'RE FINANCIALLY MUCH MORE SOUND.
BUT YOU TAKE SOMEBODY LIKE BRAZOS, LET'S SAY THEY WANTED TO PUT IN SOME FIRMING CAPACITY.
WELL, THEY'RE IN BANKRUPTCY RIGHT NOW, SO I, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
AND, AND I'VE HAD SOME PUSHBACK FROM FOLKS ON THIS SECTION SAYING, WELL, THIS DOESN'T RELATE TO C P S.
WELL, IT DOES RELATE TO C P S IN THE CITY BECAUSE IF WE CAN'T, IF WE CAN'T SOME WAY START ADVOCATING TO REVERSE THIS, THIS, UH, BOX WE'RE IN, UH, WE'RE GONNA JUST KEEP GETTING WORSE AS, AS MORE AND MORE, UH, LEGACY, UM, UNITS GO OUT OKAY.
MY, MY SECOND QUESTION WAS ON PAGE, UH, 10, UH, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE STORM THERE WAS, THERE WERE ISSUES ABOUT RENEWABLES AND, UM, THAT C P S WHAT I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT IS IT SAYS C P SS AND ERCOT WERE EXPECTING RENEWABLES TO PROVIDE MINIMAL GENERATION OF ELECTRICITY DURING THE STORM.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS, UH, MAYBE THAT WE NEED TO NARROW THAT DOWN TO JUST C P S BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE, THE RESPONSE TO AN R F I WHERE THEY GAVE US HOW MUCH THEY WERE LOOKING FOR RENEWABLES BEFORE.
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SO PERHAPS MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE OUT ERCOT THERE AND JUST SPEAK TO, TO C P S.BUT C P S JUST WATCH INFORMATION.
YEAH, BUT THAT WASN'T, THAT'S MY, MY MY QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH IF, IF WE WERE EXPECTING VERY LOW CAPACITY FROM RENEWABLES, RIGHT.
AND THEN OUR CHART SHOWS THAT THE, THE CAPACITY THAT WAS GENERATED BY RENEWABLES IN FACT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED, UNLESS I'M INTERPRETING THE CHART WRONG.
WE THEN, THEN, UM, EITHER, EITHER THE RENEWABLES, I, I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, UH, IS THE POINT THAT RENEWABLES WERE A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL POWER OUTPUT AND, AND THAT THIS THEN DIMINISHED SORT OF THE, THE PRODUCTION THAT WE HAD, UM, BY A VERY SMALL AMOUNT? OR, OR ARE WE SAYING, I MEAN, IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE POINT? WELL, THERE'S PROBABLY TWO POINTS HERE AND I PROBABLY NEED TO REDRAFT THIS, BUT THERE'S TWO POINTS.
ONE, WE WEREN'T EXPECTING MUCH.
AND WHAT WE GOT IS IN THE, IS IN FIGURE FIVE.
AGAINST WHAT WE NORMALLY IT, IT, IT, IF YOU, AND NOW WE'VE GOT SOME MORE INFORMATION, NOT TO CONFUSE IT, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT SOME PROJECTIONS FROM ERCOT OF WHAT THEY EXPECT OUTTA RENEWABLES FOR LIKE STARTING IN 2022.
AND THERE, THAT'S THE REASON I SAY I'LL TAKE, I'LL TAKE, UM, ERCOT OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPECTING SOME FROM RENEWABLES EVEN IN THE WINTER.
SO I PROBABLY NEED TO CHANGE THAT, TAKE ERCOT OUT.
AND THE FIRST THING IS, WAS C P SS COUNTING ON RENEWABLES ANSWER IS NO.
SO IF THEY WEREN'T COUNTING, WHAT DID THEY GET? AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO PUT IN FIGURE FIVE.
AND, BUT THEN THAT BRINGS UP THE QUESTION, WELL, WHAT DID WE GET? AND SO IT'S REALLY, THEY WEREN'T COUNTING ON IT.
SO IF, IF I NEED TO REAR DRAFT THAT WE WOULD, I COULD, IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT GO AHEAD.
IT, IT MIGHT HELP TO PUT IN CONTEXT THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT IS, I KNOW IT'S ON A SCALE OF, YOU KNOW, PERCENT.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COMPARES TO COAL OR NUCLEAR.
WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT A POSSIBLE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING? YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING LIKE, WHAT'S THE POINT OF THIS? RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, IF WE WEREN'T COUNTING ON MUCH AND WE DIDN'T GET MUCH, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE POINT IS.
UM, I, THIS IS WHAT I THINK THE POINT IS.
UM, IN THE CRISES AT THE TIME, THE POWER WAS DOWN AND EVERYONE WAS SUFFERING.
THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS MADE BEFORE AND AFTER ABOUT HOW, UM, THE RENEWABLES, YOU KNOW, FAILED US.
AND IT, AND THE CHAIR'S POINT IS, WELL, WE WEREN'T EXPECTING MUCH FROM THEM ANYWAY.
SO THEY, AND AND YOU CAN SEE THE SCALE OF, IF WE PUT THE NUMBERS IN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SCALE OF WHAT CAME IN HERE WAS LIKE NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE COAL NUCLEAR AND NO.
SO I, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE EVER, I NEVER PICKED UP WHERE WE HAD THE DENOMINATOR IN THERE.
SO, SO THE NUMERATOR IS HOW MUCH WE WOULD PRODUCE FROM RENEWABLES, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT BIG DENOMINATOR TO MAKE THE POINT THAT IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
I WAS JUST NOTICING RE THAT IN THE CHART ON PAGE.
THE GENERATION VERSUS CAPACITY, UH, BAR CHART.
BUT WE TOOK RENEWABLES OUTTA THAT.
YEAH, WE, SO I, I'D SAY, UM, WE GO BACK AND PUT THEM IN, WELL THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS TO DEAL WITH THE RENEWABLES, SET THOSE ASIDE, TALK ABOUT BASE LOAD AND DISPATCHABLE THAT WE WERE COUNTING ON.
SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THE, WHAT LITTLE THOUGHT PROBABLY THERE WAS IT'S DEAL WITH THE RENEWABLES, RECOGNIZE WE WEREN'T LOOKING FOR A LOT FROM THAT MOVE TO THE DISPATCHABLE AND THE BASE LOAD, WHICH WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
IS THAT NOT RIGHT? NO, YOU'RE, YEAH.
I THINK THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO APPROACH IT.
I THINK IF, UM, IT'S REALLY A QUESTION OF WHO, WHAT'S, WHAT'S EASIEST FOR THE AUDIENCE TO, TO CONSUME MAYBE.
WELL, AND AND AGAIN, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
YOU'VE GOT WHAT YOU WERE COUNTING ON.
IF, IF, IF I'M RUNNING A PLANT, I GOTTA KNOW WHAT I'M COUNTING ON GOING INTO A PROBLEM.
IF I'M NOT COUNTING ON SOMETHING, I'M NOT GONNA FOCUS ON IT.
I'M GONNA FOCUS ON WHAT I CAN, WHAT I NEED TO COUNT ON.
AND IT'S, IT'S, AND SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS HERE'S THE RENEWABLES.
WE WEREN'T COUNTING ON IT MUCH.
COMPARED TO THE LAST THREE YEARS.
NOW LET'S FOCUS ON WHAT WE WERE COUNTING ON, WHICH IS THE BASE LOAD AND DISPATCHABLE.
AND THE ONLY THING I'M SUGGESTING TO ADD IS IN BETWEEN YOUR PENULTIMATE POINT IN THE LAST POINT, MEANING HERE'S WHAT WE GOT.
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MOVE ON.IF WE PUT, HERE'S WHAT WE GOT AND HERE'S WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL IT WAS.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT WAS ONLY A, A SMALL FRACTION THAT MAKES THE POINT.
AND THEN YOU CAN MOVE ON TOGETHER.
WE'LL, WE'LL ACTUALLY MAKE THAT DRAFTING CHANGE.
UM, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER I THINK, COMMENT I HAD WAS WE, WE SEVERAL PLACES WE, WE REFERENCED OPPORTUNITY COST.
BUT I WASN'T, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.
I MEAN, I WAS TRYING TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MEANT, BUT WE MIGHT DEFINE, MIGHT JUST DESCRIBE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THAT A LAY PERSON WOULD
I'LL, I'LL PUT A DEFINITION IN AS, AS THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE POWER COULD HAVE BEEN SO FAR OR WHAT WE COULD'VE AVOIDED PURCHASING FAR.
SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT A DEFINITION IN ON THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? UH, ANYBODY ON ANYTHING? GOT ANYTHING ON THE SAWS OR THE CITY PART? UM, UM, I DID HAVE ONE THING ON THE SAWS PIECE AND THAT, THAT WAS ON PAGE 21, UM, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEAT TRACING.
AND IT SAYS, ACCORDING TO SAWS, HEAT TRACING IS THE BEST WAY TO KEEP SMALL DIAMETER PIPES FROM FREEZING.
HOWEVER, SAWS DID NOT ANTICIPATE THAT ITS SYSTEMS WOULD BE WITHOUT POWER, ET CETERA.
UH, AND THEN IT WAS REPORTED THAT BELOW GROUND PIPING THROUGHOUT SAWS HAD NO ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE EVENT.
THE ABOVE GROUND PIPING WAS AT RISK WITH THIS STORM.
SO ARE WE SAYING THAT WE DID HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PIPING OR, OR WE DID NOT.
WE'RE SAYING THAT WE HAD PROBLEM WITH PIPING ABOVE GROUND ONLY ABOVE GROUND TRACING SOUND.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT DOESN'T READ AS WELL.
WELL, THE, WHAT WE, ONE, ONE MORE TIME FOR ME.
MANNY
UH, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING THAT THE ABOVE GROUND PIPING IS WHERE THE PROBLEMS OCCURRED, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT THOSE PIPES WERE COLDER, UH, THAN THE ONES THAT WERE BELOW GROUND.
AND THAT, UH, THE HEAT TRACING IS GONNA HELP US WITH THE ABOVE GROUND PIPING.
BUT IF IT'S NOT DRAFTED TO, TO, UH, TO WHERE THAT'S CLEAR, HAPPY TO REDRAFT.
I I COULDN'T SEE WHERE WE ACTUALLY SAID THAT.
AT LEAST THERE HAD HAD GOT IT.
SO MAYBE JUST SOMETHING IN THERE TO ADD.
NOAH, NOAH IS WATCHING AND NOAH WILL WORK ON IT.
UH, IT MY, AT ONE OF MY STAFFERS.
WELL THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A DIVISION BETWEEN ABOVE GROUND, BELOW GROUND, AND THEN ABOVE GROUND THERE'S SMALL DIAMETER AND LARGE DIAMETER.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WE CLEARLY CAN DO IS HEAT TRACE AND INSULATE OF ANY ABOVE GROUND PIPE IF WE NEED TO.
AND WE CAN HEAT TRACE THE SMALL DIAMETER AND WE CAN KEEP THAT HEAT TRACING GOING WITH SOMETHING BESIDES A BIG GENERATOR.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL CLEAN IT UP AND WE'LL ADD THAT, UM, THAT NUANCE TO IT.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE, LISA? JUST ONE THING YOU WILL NOTICE IS THAT, UM, AND I THANK ALEX FOR HELPING ME WITH THIS, IS THAT WE ALL MADE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS APPLIED TO THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEE'S WORK.
SO WE MOVED RECOMMENDATIONS, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND TO FIT THEM IN THE CATEGORY WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION APPLIED.
UM, BUT THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE THINGS AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, PLEASE NOTE WHAT THOSE ARE.
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD IT IN TERMS OF ITS PLACEMENT.
THE ONLY OTHER SORT OF COMMENT I HAD FOR EVERYBODY IS WHETHER WE WANTED TO INCLUDE, THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DID A LOT OF REALLY GOOD WORK, INDIVIDUAL WORKERS OUT ON THE LINE, IN THE COLD, IN THE WEATHER.
I THINK WE SHOULD ADD SOMETHING THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE HAD A LOT OF HEROES OUT THERE IN THIS EVENT, EVEN IN THE MIDST OF EVERYTHING THAT WENT WRONG.
UM, YEAH, I'M WITH, UM, LISA ON PUTTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION JUST FOR THE, FOR CONSISTENCY.
ALSO SOME, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD AND, UM, WE, WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT LATER.
MAYBE WE HAVE AN OVERARCHING RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, SECTION.
THE ONE MINOR THING I NOTICED IS THAT THE SAW SECTION REFERENCES THE BLACK AND VEATCH REPORT, WHICH WAS OF COURSE, REALLY IM IMPORTANT AND, AND GREAT WORK THAT THEY DID.
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YOU SAY, IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE BLACK AND VEATCH REPORT.UH, DO WE WANT TO CITE IT? DO WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THEM? I'M JUST, I, I FEEL LIKE IF I'M READING THIS, AND I KNOW SASS DID A LOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK SAS SCREWED UP, I WOULD WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO DO.
AND, AND THAT'S PART OF THE MAGIC OF THE END NOTE IS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THE END NOTES AND GIVE FOLKS THE RESOURCES.
AND THE HOPE WILL BE THAT RATHER THAN GIVING EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF EVERYTHING CONTAINED IN THE WEBSITE WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT, WE CAN INCLUDE THE REFERENCE AND THE SITE LINK, AND THEN IT WILL TAKE THEM BACK TO THE WEBSITE TO GET TO WHATEVER WE'VE GOT OR WHEREVER THE OTHER SOURCE IS LOCATED, IF IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
SO ON A GOOD POINT THAT THE BOARD HAS S'S BOARD MET YET TO, THEY MET YESTERDAY, OR I DON'T KNOW, SOMEBODY OUGHT TO KNOW.
WHEN DID THEY MEET? I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, BUT, UH, I THOUGHT THEY'VE ALREADY MET, THEY MET, THOUGHT THEY JUST RECENTLY MET.
I THOUGHT THEY MET THIS WEEK AND, AND GOT THE, GOT THE REPORT OR IS A, A REPORT OUT OF BLACK AND VEATCH IS, IS THE REPORT PUBLIC? DO Y'ALL KNOW? I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
WOULD YOU, WOULD Y'ALL CHECK WITH SAWS AND SEE IF IT IS PUBLIC? IF IT IS, UH, CAN WE THEN TO LISA'S POINT, UH, PUT IT ON OUR, ON THE WEBSITE, WHICH BY THE WAY, I COULDN'T FIND THIS MORNING WHEN I WENT TO THE FRONT PAGE.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I'M JUST NOT, WELL, REMEMBER THAT THEY DID SAY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE PORTIONS OF THAT REPORT THAT IS UH, THAT'S FINE.
AND THEY'RE, I'M SURE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AND EDIT AND THAT KIND OF THING BEFORE IT'S RELEASED.
BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A RELEASE OF THE REPORT, THEN WE SHOULD YES, ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND I NEED TO, IF Y'ALL COULD CHECK ON THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION BY MONDAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ON THE CITY? OKAY.
WELL, UH, I GUESS IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TELL Y'ALL HOW MUCH I, I APPRECIATE ALL THIS.
UH, WE'LL BE TALKING TO DRAFT THIS, UH, QUITE A BIT IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
I WANT TO THANK ALEX, UH, VERY MUCH.
SHE PULLED THIS WHOLE THING TOGETHER AND WITHOUT HER, WE COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.
UH, BEN AND YOUR GROUP, UH, UH, RUSSELL AND JEFF DID A GREAT JOB HELPING US ON OUR SECTION.
AND I KNOW EACH ONE OF THE OTHER GROUPS GOT THEIR OWN, BUT I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK Y'ALL.
IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A GOOD EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH YOU AND I APPRECIATE AND VALUE EVERY ONE OF YOU.
SO WITH THAT SAME HERE, AND, UH, DID I HEAR THAT YOU'RE TAKING THIS ALL OUT TO LUNCH? IS THAT WHAT IT IS?