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          OKAY, I THINK WE'RE READY, JEFF, I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE LIVE, OKAY. 
          OKAY, WE'RE LIVE. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 4TH, 2021. 
          MAY 
          [Roll Call]
HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          HERNANDEZ FISH. 
          GIBBS. 
          QUEZ. 
          HERE. 
          AREOLA HERE. 
          ZOOMER. 
          ON HERE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          HERE. 
          RUBE. 
          HERE. 
          BOWMAN. 
          FETZER. 
          HERE. 
          LFO. 
          HEY HERE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          HELLO, THIS IS THE INTERPRETER. 
          ADRIANNA. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          I CANNOT HEAR THEM. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          WE CAN HEAR. 
          OKAY, I CAN HEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE ANNOUNCEMENT? NO, I DON'T HAVE THE ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          SO IS IT JUST FOR ANYONE TO, UM, I DON'T JUST SAY THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          CIOS, THERE IS A PHONE NUMBER FOR THEM TO CALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APOLOGIZE 
          [Chairman’s Statement]
FOR THE CONFUSION. 
          UM, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN ACTION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION WILL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM LIVESTREAM. 
          THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. 
          IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL THE CASES ON THE AGENDA IN A TIMELY MANNER, APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES BEFORE THEIR COMMENTS AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, REGARDING FUTURE AGENDAS FOR THE H C R C, AS WELL AS OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW AND DOES WATCHING KNOW, UM, THE CITY, UH, WE CURRENTLY USE FOR THE H C R C SYSTEM CALLED REGISTRAR FOR PUBLISHING AGENDAS FOR THE H C R C, UM, ZONING COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          OTHER CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS USE THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, RECENTLY THE CITY HAS MOVED OVER TO, UM, A NEW SYSTEM CALLED PRIME GOV. 
          UM, SO CITY COUNCIL AGENDAS CAN CURRENTLY BE FOUND THERE AND OUR NEXT H C R C HEARING WILL BE PUBLISHED, UM, PRIME GOV AND SO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR INFORMATION ON HOW TO ACCESS THOSE AGENDAS. 
          IT'LL BE A VERY SIMILAR FORMAT, UM, BUT HOPEFULLY A LITTLE MORE INTUITIVE FOR SOME OF OUR USERS. 
          UM, SO WE'LL BE SENDING INFORMATION 
          [00:05:01]
OUT THIS MONTH ABOUT HOW TO ACCESS THOSE IN THE NEW LOCATION. 
          UM, THE OLD AGENDAS WILL BE ARCHIVED ONAR, UM, SO THERE'LL STILL BE ACCESSIBLE, UM, BUT JUST KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A FEW CHANGES AND IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          UM, LOOKING ON YOUR SCREEN, UM, WE HAVE 13 ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ITEM SEVEN HAS A STIPULATION THAT THEY WOULD WISH TO, UH, SPEAK TO WITH THE COMMISSION. 
          AND SO WE HAVE PULLED THAT FOR INDIVIDUAL, UH, DISCUSSION ALREADY. 
          UM, BUT 
          [Public Comments]
WE DO HAVE COMMENTS OF A FEW OF THOSE ITEMS THAT I'LL READ NOW AT THIS TIME. 
          SO THE FIRST IS ITEM ONE, UH, 1003 NORTH HACKBERRY. 
          THIS COMES FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TAX CERTIFICATION. 
          WE ALSO REQUEST THAT STAFF CONFIRM THE WINDOWS MEET STANDARD O H P SPECIFICATIONS, THAT A NEW SHINGLES, AND THAT THE NEW SHINGLES FEATURE A DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE THAT RELATES TO THE THICKNESS AND SHADOW LINES OF THE HISTORIC OR WOOD SHINGLE ROOF AS CITED AND AGREED IN TO THE MARCH 4TH 2 20 21 C O A AND THE MARCH 17TH, 2021 C O A RESPECTIVELY. 
          IN OUR OPINION, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE A 30 YEAR DIMENSIONAL OR THREE TAB SHINGLE, BUT RATHER A DESIGNER SHINGLE THAT IS MORE CLOSELY THAT MORE CLOSELY MIMICS WOOD SHINGLES. 
          THE NEXT IS ITEM 4 12 31 EAST CROCKETT. 
          UM, THIS ALSO COMES FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE HILL STORAGE DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO WORK COMPLETED OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF APPROVAL. 
          THE NONCONFORMING WORK MAY SEEM MINOR OR REVERSIBLE, BUT MOST OFTEN THE NONCONFORMING WORK REMAINS AND SERVES AS PRESIDENT FOR OTHERS WORKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          FOR THIS REASON, WE DO NOT SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW WORK TO REMAIN AND RECOMMEND THE WORK BE REDONE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE O H P STANDARD GUIDELINES. 
          UM, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, ONE MORE, UH, WRITTEN COMMENT FROM, UH, A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE OSA DISTRICT FOR ITEM 12 9 0 5 NORTH PINE. 
          UM, WE CANNOT SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE. 
          STAFF'S APPROVAL IS BASED ON STIPULATION THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED DOCUMENTS WITH DIMENSIONS AND SPECIFICATIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          THIS PACKAGE FOR FINAL APPROVAL LACKS ANY DIMENSION DRAWINGS OR MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR SHADE STRUCTURE, RETAINING WALLS AT PROPERTY LINE PAVED AREAS, A D A COMPLIANCE, OR ANY OTHER LANDSCAPE FEATURES VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          FOR ITEM 13, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
          I'LL SEE IF I CAN PLAY THAT. 
          LET'S WORK ON THE AUDIO HERE. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          MY NAME IS IKA KUSHNER. 
          I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 1 2. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, COMMENT CONCERNING ITEM NUMBER 13 EAST ELMIRA AND EAST MYRTLE. 
          BECAUSE OF ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE DECISIONS MADE BY THE CITY IN THE MIDTOWN REGIONAL PLAN, WE HAVE LITTLE CONTROL OVER WHAT IS BUILT IN THIS AREA OF THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HOWEVER, WE DO TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE USE OF IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS IN OPEN AREAS AND WALKWAYS. 
          THIS IS A HUGE BUILDING COVERING THREE QUARTERS OF A CITY BLOCK, AND IT IS WITHIN ONE BLOCK OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER WHEN IT RAINS WATER AND POLLUTE WITH POLLUTANTS AND THEY DEBRIS WILL BE ROOTED TO THE RIVER. 
          WE REQUEST THAT ALL OPEN SPACE AND WALKWAYS BE PLANTED OR OTHERWISE COVERED WITH PERVIOUS MATERIALS TO ABSORB AS MUCH OF THE WATER AS POSSIBLE AND ADDITIONALLY TO LESSEN THE EFFECTS OF THE SUN ON THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          AFTER HEARING 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
PUBLIC COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONERS WISH TO, UM, PLENTY ITEMS FROM CONSENT FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION CO COREY, THIS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I'D LIKE TO PULL 13. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM FOUR, SEVEN ITEMS FOUR, SEVEN, AND 12 FOUR AND THEN SEVEN'S ALREADY PULLED AND THEN WE'LL ADD 12. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I, I MOVE FOR APPROVALS OF ITEM ONE THROUGH THREE, FIVE THROUGH SIX, EIGHT THROUGH 11 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT ITEM ONE AS REQUESTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS THAT A DESIGNER SHINGLE BE UTILIZED. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER 
          [00:10:01]
VELASQUEZ. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          AREOLA? AYE. 
          ZORAN. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
           AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          [4. 21-5088 Address/Description: 1231 E CROCKETT ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-374 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Samuel Tripp/Tripp Flip LLC Request: Amendments to a previously approved design regarding porch railing City Council Dist.: 2]
OKAY. 
          UH, FIRST IS ITEM FOUR. 
          LET'S SEE IF EDWARD IS THERE WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, YES. 
          SORRY, I JUST, UM, I WAS JUST ABLE TO COME IN. 
          UM, SO YES, I AM HERE WITH, UH, MR. THOR TRIPP, WHO IS THE APPLICANT FOR 1231 EAST CROCKETT, MR. TRIP. 
          YEAH, THANKS EDWARD. 
          UM, UH, JUST SO THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE, UM, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I HAVE INVESTED IN THIS, YOU KNOW, AREA HEAVILY JUST IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. 
          AND, UH, SO IT'S OUR FIRST TIME GOING THROUGH THE C L A PROCESS. 
          AND, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD, UH, UH, A VIOLATION REPORTED, UM, ON OUR RAILING, UM, ON BOTH THE 1231 PROPERTY AND THEN THE ONE NEXT DOOR, WHICH WAS DONE EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          UM, WE BELIEVED WE WERE COMPLYING, UM, WITH THE, UH, C O A AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN. 
          UM, BUT AFTER FURTHER LOOKING AT THINGS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, THE ONE RAIL TRIM PIECE WAS ABOUT AN INCH AND A QUARTER, UM, TWO LONG. 
          INSTEAD OF IT BEING, UH, THREE INCHES, IT WAS ABOUT, UH, IT, IT WAS, INSTEAD OF IT BEING A ONE BY THREE, IT WAS A TWO BY FOUR. 
          UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO HERE, UH, IT MATCHES THE TWO BY FOUR, UH, ON THE BOTTOM, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, CORRECT. 
          UM, AND, UH, IT, THE BOTTOM RAIL WAS NOT NOTCHED IN, BUT IT IS THE CORRECT SIZE AND FROM THE STREET, UM, IT LOOKS IDENTICAL TO WHAT THE TERMS OF THE C O A STIPULATE. 
          UM, AND SO WE FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE, UM, A COUPLE OF, OF SMALL INCONSISTENCIES, WHICH WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, THE ISSUE, UH, IN THE FIRST PLACE HERE. 
          UM, BUT THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, HONEST MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE, UM, AND FROM THE STREET, UM, IT COMPLIES WITH THE C O A AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN. 
          UH, AND CERTAINLY THE SPIRIT OF THE C O A, WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD TO, TO DO IT CORRECTLY, BUT AGAIN, IT'S OUR FIRST TIME GOING THROUGH THESE, UH, THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, SO WE FELT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NEW OWNER IN THE HOME, UH, IT'S BEEN SOLD AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO RUN AWAY FROM THIS. 
          UM, WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF IT AND, AND BE UPFRONT ABOUT IT. 
          UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE NEW OWNER, UH, WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANY WORK MODIFIED AND ESPECIALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INCONSISTENCIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, AN INCH AND A QUARTER, UM, OFF OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL C O A STIPULATED. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH, UH, THE SIZE IS OFF, UH, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE THE SPIRIT OF THE RULE WAS FOLLOWED, UM, TO, TO A GOOD DEGREE. 
          UH, AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, MR. EDWARD HALL AND THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION RECOMMENDED FOR THE WORK TO BE MAINTAINED, UH, AS IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, UH, BEFORE THIS MEETING MEETING. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THINGS AND, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I BELIEVE YOU PULLED THIS. 
          YES, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS. 
          I, THE REALLY THE INTENT OF MY POLLING, IT WAS JUST TO REALLY ADMONISH THIS, UH, APPLICANT TO WITHIN THE, UH, THE SPIRIT OF THE C O A, UM, AND IN ADDRESSING THE, THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY, THAT THEY DO ANYTHING THEY POSSIBLY CAN TO, UM, TO GET AS CLOSE TO THE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS POSSIBLE AND, AND TO ALSO COMMUNICATE TO THE NEW OWNER, UM, THEIR EXPERIENCE OF GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND TO REMIND THEM THAT, UM, UH, THAT THEY ARE IN AN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEY SHOULD SEEK, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PROPER, UH, APPROVALS PRIOR TO DOING ANY ADDITIONAL WORK. 
          I KNOW SOMETIMES NEW, NEW, UH, MEM UH, NEW, UH, MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITY COME IN, THEY PURCHASE A HOUSE AND THEY MAY NOT REALIZE ALL OF THE POTENTIAL CONSTRAINTS. 
          SO JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEAK TO THE NEW OWNER AND REMIND THEM OF THAT. 
          AND SO, HAVING SAID THAT, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          [00:15:02]
THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          QUE OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AREOLA. 
          AYE. 
          ERON AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE BET. 
          LAFAYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY, NEXT 
          [7. 21-5060 Address/Description: 407 E EVERGREEN HDRC Case No.: 2021-350 Historic District Name: Tobin Hill Applicant: Mark Salvador/Fisher Heck Architects Request: Construction of two, 1-story rear accessory structures, site modifications City Council Dist.: 1]
IS ITEM SEVEN. 
          STEPH, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          HELLO? OH, I'M GOING TO READ THE REQUEST INTO THE RECORD. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE CONSTRUCT, A REAR UN ENCLOSED PATIO BEHIND THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO MEASURE APPROXIMATELY 272 SQUARE FEET TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE-STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO TOTAL APPROXIMATELY FOUR 30 SQUARE FEET AND THREE, CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE-STORY REAR DETACHED GARAGE STRUCTURE TO TOTAL APPROXIMATELY 500 SQUARE FEET. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST ITEMS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS TWO SINGLE BAY GARAGE DOORS IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED DOUBLE WIDTH OVERHEAD DOOR AS NOTED IN FINDING G TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WINDOWS THAT COMPLY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS IS LISTED THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT APPLICANT INSTALLS A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF THAT COMPLIES WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AS LISTED. 
          AND FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. 
          AND THIS CASE WAS PULLED FROM CONSENT AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. 
          UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS STIPULATION ONE REGARDING THE GARAGE DOORS, AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, MARK ON THE LINE. 
          MARK, DID YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SHARE YOUR POSITION? UH, YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME EVERYONE. 
          MY NAME IS MARK SALVADOR WITH FISH HECK ARCHITECTS, AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF RANDY AND CYNTHIA ROSEN REGARDING THEIR CONSTRUCTION OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ON THEIR PROPERTY ON 4 0 7 EAST EVERGREEN STREET. 
          AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST LENIENCY REGARDING RECOMMENDATION ONE OF THE H D R C REPORT, UH, SUGGESTING THAT WE INSTALL, UH, A, UH, TWO SINGLE GARAGE DOORS IN LIEU OF A SINGLE GARAGE DOOR. 
          UM, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT IS BECAUSE, UH, WE HAVE FOUND EXAMPLES WITHIN THE TOBIN HILL, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ALREADY HAVE, UH, SINGLE, UH, DOUBLE Y GARAGE DOORS, UH, ONE OF THEM BEING, UH, 4 0 6 AND 4 0 8 EAST STREET, UH, WHICH IS A DUPLEX, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THEIR PROPERTY. 
          UM, THIS ALL INFORMATION WAS ALSO PRESENTED TO, UH, FRED RICA KUSHNER OF THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, AND THEY HAD, UH, NO OBJECTIONS TO WHAT WE WERE PRESENTING. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE ALSO OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, NEW PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED, UH, IN THE TOBIN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ALSO HAVE, UH, UH, SINGLE DOUBLE WIDE GARAGE DOORS, UH, LOCATED ON 2 0 3 PASCAL STREET AND THREE 11 EAST EVERGREEN STREET COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL MESSAGE FROM THE PUBLIC FOR THIS ONE, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND PLAY IT. 
          MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER. 
          I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 1 2. 
          I'M SPEAKING, UH, CONCERNING ITEM NUMBER 7 4 0 7 EAST EVERGREEN. 
          OUR COMMITTEE SAW THE PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT RELATIVELY EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          THE STYLE OF BUILDING SEEMS TO FIT WELL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER, WE DO TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER RUNOFF FROM THE ROOFS OF THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS WILL FLOW INTO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, WHICH MAY CAUSE FLOODING. 
          IN ADDITION, THE PRESENT PLAN CAUSED FOR DRAINAGE DOWN THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY TO THE STREET, WHICH THEN CARRIES THE WATER TOWARDS THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL NOT FLOOD, BUT PULL POLLUTANTS AND DEBRIS WILL BE WASHED INTO THE RIVER. 
          WITH MORE AND MORE OF THE PREVIOUSLY PERMEABLE AREA IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEING COVERED OVER WITH BUILDINGS, DRIVEWAYS, AND PARKING LOTS, THE RIVER FACES MORE POLLUTION. 
          WE REQUEST THAT THE H D R C VERY SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE RESULTS OF OVERBUILDING, ESPECIALLY THIS CLOSE TO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER, AND WE RECOMMEND THAT PERME PERMEABLE COVER BE REQUIREMENT IN ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          [00:20:03]
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, ASK THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, UM, ABOUT THE GARAGE DOOR REQUEST. 
          UM, I, I SEE AS I ZOOM INTO THAT, UM, FOR SOME REASON MY DISPLAY IS KIND OF FRACTURED FROM THE, WHAT THE STAFF'S SHOWING, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE P D F, UM, YOU'RE INDICATING THAT THERE'S A STEEL, UH, GARAGE DOOR HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR THAT. 
          UM, IS THERE AN OPTION THAT, UH, TAKES THAT CENTER, UH, VERTICAL, UM, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT STYLE, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, EMBOSSED STYLE IN, IN THE DOOR AND, AND, AND IT HAS IT A LITTLE BIT WIDER TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY ARE, UH, A, A PAIR OF DOORS RATHER THAN, UM, JUST A, A LARGE INDIVIDUAL DOOR. 
          UM, SO I, I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY SPECIFICALLY HAVE SOMETHING OF THAT STYLE, BUT ONE THING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO, UM, IS, UH, UH, DELINEATE OR, UH, GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF TWO SEPARATE DOORS BY, UH, DOING DIFFERENT PAINTS OR COLORS, UM, THAT WOULD, UH, KIND OF CREATE BORDERS OF, OF TWO SEPARATE DOORS, IF THAT'S ACCESSIBLE. 
          AND, UM, WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE DOOR? I DON'T HAVE THE PLAN IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT THIS SECOND. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT. 
          WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE PROPOSED DOOR? ONE SECOND. 
          LET ME PULL THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'M WONDERING IF WE MIGHT, I NOTICE IN THE SCROLLING THERE'S A MORE REALISTIC PICTURE OF THE DOOR IF WE MIGHT SEE THAT INSTEAD OF THE DRAWING, THIS HAS THE DIMENSION THAT'S 16 FEET AND THEN I'LL GO TO THE PHOTO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
           WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS LIKE THE, THE TWO STYLES ARE BUTTED UP AGAINST EACH OTHER, RIGHT? SO TOGETHER THEY GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF TWO DOORS RIGHT FROM THE PHOTOGRAPH THOUGH, YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT YEAH, YOU, SO GENERALLY I'M, I'M IN, IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TWO DOORS. 
          UH, PARTICULARLY WHEN, UM, WHEN THE CHOSEN PRODUCT IS, IS, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEMPORARY. 
          I THINK THE, THE PRODUCT THAT YOU HAVE HERE DOES EVOKE KIND OF THAT SENSE OF CARRIAGE DOORS AND, UM, THERE'S MINIMAL VISIBILITY OF THIS DOOR FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO I THINK GIVEN THOSE TWO, UH, CONSIDERATIONS, BOTH THE CHOSEN PRODUCT AND THE, UM, MINIMAL VIS VISIBLE VISIBILITY FROM PUBLIC DRIVEWAY AND THE POTENTIAL TO DELINEATE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STYLES AND RAILS PERHAPS IN A DIFFERENT COLOR FROM THE, THE PANELS AS SUGGESTED BY THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, UM, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVALS WITH, UH, ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT ITEM ONE. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, WHICH MIGHT AMEND THE MOTION. 
          UM, BASED ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVER, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ALL OF THIS NEW PAVING AND CONSIDER PART OF IT AT LEAST AS PERVIOUS COVER INSTEAD OF, UM, FORD CONCRETE? LIKE MAYBE THE TURNAROUND THAT'S TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY? UM, WE, WE HAD LOOKED AT THAT, UH, POSSIBILITY. 
          I, I, I DO WANNA NOTE THAT WE, WE ARE WITHIN, UH, THE, THE LIMITS OF, UH, REQUIRED, UM, OR MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE IMPERVIOUS COVER. 
          UM, SO WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO REQUEST THAT WE, WE MAINTAIN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, SHOWN, UM, IF POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? 
          [00:25:02]
UH, MR. CHAIR? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT, UH, THE LETTER THAT WAS READ A WHILE AGO, I WAS, UH, NOTICING THAT, UM, JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THAT THE, THE REQUEST IS REALLY FOR THERE TO BE A GENERAL, AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT'S A U D C REQUEST TO THE U D C, NOT TO THE H E R C, THAT, THAT IN GENERAL, THERE'S A CONSIDERATION FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER AS IT RELATES TO THE GREATER ISSUES. 
          SO DOES IT, AND I MEAN, I THINK YOUR COMMENTS ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO, TO NOTING THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT AS MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT IS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE PARAMETER SET BY THE CODE. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE NOT, AND NOT THAT THERE'S ANY RULE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT JUST THE CREATIVITY OF THE, OF THE, UM, A PERSON, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LEADING THE, THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER THE GESTURE OF, UH, ALLOWING, UH, SOME RUNOFF TO GO INTO THE GROUND IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AS OPPOSED TO RUNNING OFF. 
          BUT OF COURSE, IT'S, IT, I, I UNDERSTAND IT IS IN, IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE PURVIEW OF THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? QUE AYE AREOLA? AYE. 
          ERON I THINK HAS STEPPED OUT FOR A MEETING. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE HON. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM 12. 
          [12. 21-5095 Address/Description: 905 N PINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-359 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: John Cooley Request: Construction of a park space on private property City Council Dist.: 2]
YES, WE HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT, JOHN COOLEY HERE FROM TERRAMARK FOR ITEM NUMBER 12, UH, WHICH IS 9 0 5 9 0 5 NORTH PINE STREET, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 359. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS JOHN COOLEY FROM TERRAMARK URBAN HOMES. 
          UH, THINK THE, THE RESPONSE FROM, UH, A CONCERNED CITIZEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THE, UM, THE DIMENSIONS, UH, IN THE BUILDER SET, WHICH WERE FORWARDED OVER. 
          I WANT TO CON JUST CONFIRM THAT THAT'S PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS OF THE BUILDER SET. 
          UM, MP STUDIO PREPARED A FULL CONSTRUCTION SET, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY LABELED AS A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSTRUCTION SET. 
          SO IF THAT FOR SOME REASON DIDN'T GET, UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT PART OF SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN REVIEW. 
          UM, THE, I HAVE ALL THE DIMENSIONS HERE FOR THE SHADING STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THE HEIGHT OF WHICH IS 12 FEET, EIGHT INCHES, IT HAS A FULL MATERIAL LIST OF ALL THE PROPOSED, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING MATERIALS, STONE AND CRUSHED GRANITE S SPECS. 
          UH, IT DOES HAVE SOME OF THE ACRYLIC PLASTIC MATERIAL IS, IS SPECKED, UM, AS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA CALL IT CONCEPTUAL, BUT IT HAS LIKE COLORS AND, AND I THINK ACTUALLY THE CONFIGURATION OF HOW THAT ENDS UP, IT'S KIND OF AN ARTISTIC ELEMENT TO THE, TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'LL BE MAYBE SOME SLIGHT, UH, ONSITE ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT, BUT, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY, PRETTY BUTTONED UP AS FAR AS, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, CONSTRUCTION SET. 
          SO IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM. 
          UM, OTHERWISE, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE PRODUCED EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED OF A FINAL H G R C SUBMISSION. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I WILL CLARIFY THAT WE DID RECEIVE THIS SEPARATELY FROM THE APPLICATION BY EMAIL. 
          IT WAS JUST KIND OF OVERLOOKED AND MISSED. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT IS SITE WORK, WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS A, SOMETHING WE COULD STIPULATE OUR WAY OUT OF, UM, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY WE DO REQUIRE THIS, THE MEASURE OF CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          AND SO WE WOULD NEED THAT BEFORE ISSUING A C O A. 
          IF THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD NEED TO SEE THAT INFORMATION BEFORE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE TAKING ACTION, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, THERE COULD BE A MOTION TO CONTINUE UNTIL WE COULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKAGE. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          I FEEL THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT IN ALL OF ITS ITERATIONS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, UH, PARK, BUT IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE SURROUNDED IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT HAS THE METAL S UM, I, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IF, IF, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND MAKING A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, THIS PROJECT AS SUBMITTED FI FOR, FOR ITS FINAL APPROVAL, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? IT, IT WOULD BE, IT, IT WOULD BE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE IT FOR STAFF TO JUST GO OVER THOSE STIPULATIONS VERY QUICKLY. 
          BUT 
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FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK IF THEY'RE, UH, READY FOR THE STIPULATIONS THAT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT REALLY SHOULD JUST GET COMPLETED. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I ASKED TO, TO PULL THIS BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS, UH, THAT WERE RECEIVED. 
          AND I THINK GIVEN THE NATURE OF THIS, THE SORT OF, UM, LIMITED SPACE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I TOO AM PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED HERE. 
          I WOULD NORMALLY WANNA SEE, PARTICULARLY FOR STEEL ELEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, HARD LINED DEVELOPED DRAWINGS, BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE MATERIAL AND SCALE OF THIS, UH, SITE IMPROVEMENT. 
          SO I THINK IT'S HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          PERHAPS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE SUGGESTION FROM, FROM STAFF THAT WE INCLUDE A, A STIPULATION THAT HAS A FOLLOW-UP, UM, CONFIRMATION OF, OF THE DIMENSIONS IF THERE'S ANY SUPPORTING MATERIALS NEED TO BE SENT IN THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY BEEN SENT IN OR AREN'T PART OF OUR PACKET TODAY. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A SECOND, BUT IF IT DOES INCLUDE ALL THREE STIPULATIONS, I'LL SECOND A MOTION IF THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ALSO AGREED, RIGHT. 
          UM, KEEPING THREE, I DIDN'T MAKE, YEAH, SORRY I DIDN'T MAKE A FORMAL MOTION, BUT I, I, CAN I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION AND THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT THE, UM, UH, THE, THE DIMENSIONAL DOCUMENTS, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, UH, BE FORWARDED TO O H P AND AVAILABLE TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD THEY REQUEST IT? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP? I'LL SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          UH, VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          AREOLA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER AYE. 
          RUB? AYE. 
          FETZER? AYE. 
          LAO AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY, WE'LL GIVE EDWARD ONE SECOND TO GET THE APPLICANT FOR THE NEXT ITEM FOR 13. 
          THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT FILE, 
          [13. 21-5003 Address/Description: E ELMIRA at E MYRTLE HDRC Case No.: 2021-296 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Cameron Kraus/Gensler Request: Construction of a 10-story mixed use structure City Council Dist.: 1]
RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONERS? I'M HERE NOW WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, CAMERON KRAUS, UH, FROM GINSLER. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ PULLED THE CASE FOR DISCUSSION. 
          YE YES. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REALLY FOR STAFF MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I, I WANNA, UH, GET CLARIFICATION ON, UH, I KNOW THIS, THIS, THIS QUITE LARGE PROJECT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO GET THEIR, THEIR FEELINGS AS TO WHY, UH, SUCH A PROJECT WOULD BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          WHAT, WHAT, WHY IS IT BEFORE THE H D R C? UH, JUST GENERALLY SURE, I CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          UM, SO STAFF DOES HAVE A POLICY FOR HOW ITEMS ARE PLACED ON NICKSON AGENDA. 
          UM, AND IT'S WHERE A APPLICANT EITHER MEETS THE GUIDELINES OR REQUIRED STANDARDS OR, UM, STAFF IS AT ITS STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO. 
          SO IT'S REALLY NOT A MATTER OF OF SIZE OR SCOPE, IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR EITHER APPROVAL OR APPROVAL OF STIPULATIONS. 
          AND SO IN THIS CASE, THERE WAS A STIPULATION ADDED ABOUT, UM, A PREVIOUS STIPULATION ACTUALLY ADDED ABOUT THE SETBACK IN HEIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH HAS BEEN MET IN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS ITEM IS NOW IN CONSENT. 
          IS THIS COREY, IS THIS IN, UM, IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR IS IT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S A RIO? THIS IS A RIO PROJECT, YES. 
          SO, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES OF THE, THE, WE USUALLY FOLLOW A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          IT IS, IT, IT'S SUBJECT TO THE RIO STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES AND SO THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN RIO, SUCH AS HEIGHTENED SETBACK REQUIREMENTS THAT MUST BE MET IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO 
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RECOMMEND. 
          AND SO THE APPLICANT HAS SORT OF WORKED THROUGH THOSE ISSUES, UM, AND HAS MET THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CORY, THAT'S MR. CHAIR. 
          THOSE ARE REALLY THE ONLY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENT ABOUT PIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS COVER AND WONDERING IF Y'ALL HAVE, UH, EXPLORED OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE PERVIOUS COVER AROUND THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO IMPERVIOUS COVER BEING SO CLOSE TO THE RIVER. 
          SORRY, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MY CALL ACTUALLY DROPPED, SO I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, UM, HEARD THE LAST 30 SECONDS OR SO. 
          CHAIRMAN FETCHER, DO YOU MIND REPEATING THE QUESTION? ALL RIGHT. 
          IS THE APPLICANT ON, ON RIGHT NOW? YES, HE HAD CAMERON FROM GENSLER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER AROUND THE PROPERTY AND WONDERED IF Y'ALL EXPLORED OPPORTUNITIES TO DECREASE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER AND REPLACE IT WITH PERVIOUS COVER BEING THAT IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE RIVER? YEAH, SO IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE SITE PLAN, THE RENDERED SITE PLAN FROM THE LAST SUBMISSION, I BELIEVE IT'S PAGE THREE OF THE, WHAT'S CALLED MIRA, H G R C. 
          UM, BASICALLY I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE CURRENT SITE CONDITIONS, UM, HAVE A FAIR BIT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THAT WE ARE IMPROVING THE CONDITION IN THAT WE ARE CATCHING IN WITHIN THE BUILDING AREA, WHICH YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SITE PLAN IF WE CAN GET IT UP. 
          UM, THE, THE BUILDING, WHAT IS, WHAT IS LIKE SHADED GRAY AS BUILDING AREA IS BEING CAUGHT BY ROOF DRAINS ON THE VARIOUS LEVELS, UM, AS WELL AS BEING USED FOR SOME OF THE PLANTINGS ON LEVEL THREE, THE LIKE POOL DECK, PODIUM. 
          UM, THE REST, THE REST OF THAT IS COMING THROUGH THE ROOF DRAINS IS BEING CAPTURED AND TIED IN DIRECTLY TO STORMS. SO THAT AREA THAT'S SHADED GRAY IS LIKE THE BOLTING FOOTPRINT IS, IS NOT BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, RUN, NOT RUNNING OFF INTO THE RIVER DIRECTLY BY ANY MEANS. 
          UM, WHAT'S LEFT IS THE SIDEWALK SPACE AND WHERE WE HAVE SIDEWALK SPACE, WE ARE CREATING ZONES. 
          SO THE CLOSEST ZONE TO THE STREET IS, UM, A LARGE PLANTING AREA WHERE WE'RE PUTTING OUR STREET TREES, UM, TO IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, BUT THAT ALSO CREATES AREAS WHERE WE CAN CATCH A LOT OF THAT, UM, RUNOFF WATER FROM THE BUILDING. 
          UM, LIKEWISE THERE'S A PERIMETER DRAINAGE SYSTEM, UM, IN THE FOUNDA AROUND THE FOUNDATION THAT WILL ALSO CATCH SOME OF THE SITE, UM, RUNOFF FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          SO I THINK THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE BEEN COGNIZANT OF THE, THE DRAINAGE ISSUES WITH THE PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, BUT WE ARE IMPROVING THE CONDITION AS TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND REALLY CAPTURING WHAT THE BUILDING IS CREATING, UM, AND TYING IT DIRECTLY INTO STORM. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I CHAIRMAN, I'M, I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT. 
          I THINK THERE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILDING SYSTEMS IN PLACE HERE THAT MIGHT NOT BE READILY, UH, PERCEIVABLE BY, BY THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CAREFUL, UM, UH, DESIGN TO ACCOMMODATE FOR, UH, THE ANTICIPATED, UH, RUNOFF AND CONTROLLING THAT, NOT JUST SIMPLY HAVING IT, UH, RUN OFF THE RIVER. 
          SO I MOVED FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE BASED UPON STAFF FINDINGS A THROUGH T QUEZ. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          QUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          AREOLA? AYE. 
          ERON? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          RUBE. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          LIFO. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THIS WILL BRING US BACK TO OUR INDIVIDUAL ADD AGENDA. 
          LET ME GET THE CASE LIST BACK ON THE SCREEN. 
          SO NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 14, 4 17, WILLOW, UM, AND EDWARD IS, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE THAT APPLICANT ON THE LINE. 
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OKAY. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S TALKING TO HIM NOW. 
          SO LET'S GIVE IT A COUPLE SECONDS. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 
          [14. 21-5008 Address/Description: 417 WILLOW ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-756 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Juan Delallata/Blustar Construction Request: Site and landscaping modifications, driveway and approach installation, flatwork, fencing City Council Dist.: 2]
14, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 7 56 4 17. 
          WILLOW, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL FENCING THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING FRONT YARD FENCING OF FOUR AND SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          TWO TO INSTALL A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY FEATURING 14 FEET IN WIDTH. 
          THREE TO INSTALL VARIOUS CONCRETE SIDEWALKS ON SITE. 
          AND FOUR TO INSTALL CONCRETE PAVERS AND GRAVEL IN THE SIDE YARD. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, FENCING AS PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY DOES NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF VARIOUS CONCRETE SIDEWALKS AND WALKWAYS ON SITE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE SIDEWALKS PROPOSED FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY SHALL COMPLY WITH COSA STANDARDS AND FOREST AFRICA RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDE YARD LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS, ELEMENTS. 
          I HAVE THE APPLICANT MR. JUAN DETA ON THE LINE NOW, UH, AND I BELIEVE MR. DETA WANTS TO SPECIFICALLY PRESENT IN REGARDS TO THE DRIVEWAY WITH YES, HI. 
          UM, HI GENTLEMEN. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OKAY, SO, UH, CAN I CAN BE HEARD RIGHT? MR. HALL? YES, SIR. 
          YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          UH, SO HI GENTLEMEN. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME AND TO HEAR ME OUT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BEEN A, A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT GOING BACK AND FORTH OVER THIS, UM, FENCE, YOU KNOW, FENCING AND DRIVEWAY ISSUE. 
          SO I THINK, UH, I'M, I'M JUST HAPPY TO KNOW THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN, UM, AT LEAST THE PROOF SO FAR. 
          SO LOOK ON THE WIDTH, ON THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY, I PROVIDED SOME PICTURES OF DIFFERENT HOUSES THAT HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO, SO SOME WIDE DRIVEWAYS AS WELL, ESPECIALLY LIKE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME LEEWAY HERE AND THERE. 
          SO ALL I'M ASKING IS LIKE, LOOK, I, I, I WANNA KEEP THE 10 FOOT APPROACH, 10 FOOT WIDE APPROACH IF IT'S POSSIBLE WITH YOUR PERMISSION, BASICALLY, UH, 10 FOOT, I CAN MAKE IT 10 FOOT WHERE IT'S THE APPROACH AND IT COMES IN. 
          AND IF YOU SEE ON THAT DRAWING, UM, THIS IS HOMEMADE. 
          HE ALSO HAS A THREE D RENDERING OF THE LANDSCAPING. 
          NOW, UM, IT WAS CHANGED FROM GRAVEL TO CONCRETE, BUT UH, THE WIDTH WAS STILL ALWAYS THE SAME. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I WAS JUST HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THE 14 FEET WILL BE OKAY, THEN GREAT. 
          IF NOT, I WAS SEEING IF MAYBE YOU CAN MEET ME HALFWAY AND, AND IF YOU CAN SEE, LIKE I I, MY PROPERTY IS A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE BY ONLY 50 FEET DEEP. 
          OKAY? SO THERE IS NO YARD, THERE IS NO BACKYARD, THERE IS NONE OF THAT, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, AND IF YOU CAN MR. HALL, SHOW THEM HOW THE CARPORT PICTURE IS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE. 
          UM, THE, THE EXISTING, UM, UP TO DATE PICTURE, NOT THE THREE D RENDERING, BUT JUST SO MAYBE THEY CAN SEE. 
          OH, YES. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ON PAGE 25. 
          YES. 
          SO MY CARPORT HONESTLY, LIKE, LOOK, THE INTENTION WAS, HEY MAN, YOU KNOW, IF I HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY EVER GETS AN RV OR A BIG BOAT OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? UM, I DID THE CARPORT AT A 14 FOOT WIDE SPAN WITH THREE BIG POSTS SUPPORTING THAT, RIGHT? AND MY PLAN IS, I, I WOULD JUST AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, REALLY LOVE IT TO BE FULLY CONCRETE FROM SIDE TO SIDE, YOU KNOW, OF THE 14 FOOT WIDTH. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          IF YOU SEE THAT AND, UH, THE ONE BEFORE THAT. 
          AND, UM, SO, SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS, I KNOW THAT I DO SEE THE MAJORITY OF HOUSES WITH THE 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE NO BACKYARD. 
          I JUST WANTED TO REACH FROM THE SIDE OF THE GUEST HOUSE TO THOSE THREE POSTS THAT YOU SEE. 
          SO WHAT I WAS THINKING IS MAYBE TO JUST MEET YOU GUYS HALFWAY IS, IS DO A 10 FOOT APPROACH AND THEN RIGHT THERE CLOSE TO THE SIDE, UH, THOSE STEPS THAT YOU SEE ENTRANCE, I CAN OPEN UP TO 14 FEET RIGHT THERE AND JUST TAKE IT 14 FEET TO THE BACK, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE, UH, UP TO DISCUSSION HERE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, SIR OR GENTLEMEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST A REMINDER TO OUR COMMUNITY, WE DO HAVE LADIES ON THIS BOARD AS WELL. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMISSIONER 
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QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE DO. 
          UM, SO THIS COMES FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, WE SUPPORT THE LANDSCAPE AND SITE WORK AS PROPOSED. 
          OUR OF GREAT CONCERN IS THE APPEARANCE OF WORK ALREADY COMPLETED OUTSIDE THE C O A ISSUED ON JANUARY 15TH AND 16TH 2020. 
          THIS IS LIKELY THE LAST CHANCE TO COMMENT ON THIS WORK. 
          NEW WINDOWS WERE APPROVED FOR THE REBUILT ADDITION AND FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW WINDOWS WERE NOT APPROVED FOR THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          THE APPLICANT AGREED IN THE 2020 C O A TO SUBMIT WINDOW CHOICES TO O H B FOR APPROVAL. 
          NEW WINDOWS THAT DO NOT MEET O H B STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN EVERY WINDOW OPENING. 
          THE NEW WINDOWS DO NOT APPEAR TO BE WOOD. 
          UM, STAND PROUD OF THE TRIM IN ARE WHITE. 
          THE NEW UNAPPROVED WINDOW TRIM IS ALSO NOT HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS MODEST CRAFTSMAN HOUSE. 
          UH, IT MUST ALSO BE NOTED THAT ALL SIDING AND TRIM HAS BEEN COMPLETELY REPLACED WITH NEW SIDING WITH NO APPROVAL, NO EXTERIOR, ORIGINAL HISTORIC COMPONENTS OF THIS HOME REMAIN. 
          NOW IT IS TIME TO ADDRESS THIS, AND AGAIN, IF AND WHEN A TAX CERTIFICATION IS APPLIED FOR THIS UNDERSCORES THAT O H B NEEDS RESOURCES TO PERIODICALLY INSPECT ALL PROJECTS AND COMMISSIONERS NEED TO KNOW A SS P WHETHER A EARLIER APPROVED PROJECT HAS GONE OFF TRACK, BECAUSE YOU'LL HEAR THIS CASE AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S CONCERNING. 
          I'M, I'M, UH, I'M PRETTY CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS AND, UM, HOPE THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, APPROVAL FOR, FOR ALL EXTERIOR WORK. 
          UM, SO I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR, UM, APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE ADDED, UM, REQUEST OF THE OWNER TO, UH, FLARE THE, THE DRIVEWAY FROM 10 FEET TO 14 FEET PAST THE, THE, THE STEPS SO THAT IT ALIGNS WITH THE COLUMNS OF THE, UH, OF THE CARPORT. 
          UM, AND I'LL SAY REGARDING THE COMMENTS ON EXTERIOR WORK, UM, WE, THIS CAME IN TODAY AND WE HONESTLY HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TO INVESTIGATE. 
          UM, BUT WE WILL, UM, THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EXTERIOR WORK APPROVED FOR THE HOUSE, BUT THE REPLACEMENT HAS NOT BEEN ONE OF THOSE SCOPES. 
          AND SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING HOLISTICALLY AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, ON NEXT STEPS REGARDING THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND SINCE THOSE ITEMS WEREN'T ON THE AGENDA OR BEING ADDRESSED, I I DIDN'T INCORPORATE THAT INTO MY MOTION, AND SO I APPRECIATE THE FOLLOW UP ON THE, ON THE STAFF'S PART TO INVESTIGATE WHAT ALL IS GOING ON THERE. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UM, WELL, I WANTED TO THANK THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I THINK THAT BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE REALIZED THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME WORK DONE. 
          THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD DO TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S MOTION WOULD BE, UH, HE DID MENTION THOSE STEPS, AND I DO FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A CONCRETE LANDING RIGHT BY THE STEPS, AND I THINK YOUR MOTION SET RIGHT BY THE DRIVEWAY CARPORT POLES. 
          WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO EXTEND IT OUT TO WHAT THE STEPS ARE, LIKE THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING? UH, YES. 
          I, I WAS SEEING THAT AS A, UM, UH, AS, UH, AN APPROACH WALK, UH, TO, TO THE STEPS, UH, KIND OF SEPARATE FROM THE DRIVE. 
          IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS AN ODD CASE HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE INCREDIBLY FANTASTIC THREE D RENDERINGS TO LOOK AT, BUT THE PLAN IS, IS LACKING A BIT IN, IN ITS PRECISION. 
          SO, UM, WELL MAYBE IF STAFF UNDERSTANDS, WE CAN ADD A STIPULATION, THEY SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWING TO STAFFS, RIGHT? LET'S DO THAT. 
          BUT IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT THIS VIEW RIGHT HERE, UH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S THAT PLANTING AREA IF THAT WERE TO BE, UM, EXTENDED OUT TO ALIGN WITH THE 10 FOOT LINE, BUT THEN PAST THAT YOU HAVE AN APPROACH LANDING OR APPROACH WALK THAT COMES TO THE, THE BASE OF THE STAIRS. 
          AND BEYOND THAT IT'S 14 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          IF SENSE TO MY FOLLOW , I CAN, I CAN I AGREE TO THAT? YEAH, IF THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT, THEN I WILL, I WOULD ADD, IF YOU CAN, UM, ADD THE STIPULATION THAT, AS, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWING, I MEAN, BASICALLY MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS GRASS NEXT TO THE HOUSE THAT WOULD BE EXTENDED TWO FEET INTO THIS DIRECTION TOWARDS THE RED CAR, BASICALLY. 
          SO IT'D BE A 12 FOOT DRIVEWAY AT THAT POINT? NO, NO, 10 10, 10 10. 
          I'M, I APOLOGIZE, 10 HERE. 
          AND THEN PRETTY MUCH AS SHOWN BEYOND WHERE THE LANDING TO THE STEPS IS. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO I, I, LET ME RESTATE MY MOTION AND SEE IF I CAN CAPTURE THAT. 
          UM, SO I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE ADDED, UM, ADJUSTMENT THAT THE APPROACH DRIVE BE 
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NO MORE THAN 10 FEET UNTIL IT REACHES THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK THAT LEADS TO THE FOOT OF THE STEPS AND BEYOND, WHICH IT COULD BE 14 TO ALIGN WITH THE COLUMNS OF THE CARPORT BEYOND, AND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF TO CONFIRM, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF THIS MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OH, GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND, MR. CHAIR? I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          YES, YES. 
          UM, SO YES, I, I APPRECIATE THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          UM, SO LOOK, I JUST WANNA STATE SOMETHING AS FAR AS, LOOK, I WANNA APOLOGIZE IF IT SEEMS THAT I'VE DONE SOMETHING TO GO AGAINST WHAT YOU GUYS ARE RECOMMENDING AND EVERYTHING. 
          THIS IS MY SECOND CASE MANAGER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, THE THREE D RENDERING WAS DONE SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GONNA DO TO THIS PROJECT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WAS I PULLED THE PERMIT BECAUSE, UH, BASICALLY THE SIDING, EVERYTHING WAS GONNA BE RENOVATED. 
          UM, AS FAR AS LIKE, I, I WAS NOT EVEN AWARE THAT ONLY PARTIAL WINDOWS WERE APPROVED AND NOT, BUT LIKE I TOLD MR. HALL, IF YOU GUYS WANNA LOOK AT THE GOOGLE PICTURES, I EVEN PROVIDED, UM, PICTURES FOR HIM THIS MORNING BECAUSE ALL OF THESE COMMENTS WERE KNOWN TO ME ABOUT THREE TO FOUR HOURS AGO. 
          OKAY? I DIDN'T HAVE NO TIME TO PREPARE FOR THIS. 
          THIS IS ALL NEW STUFF JUST BEING SAID TO ME. 
          AND A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO, I JUST SENT HIM PICTURES. 
          I WENT, I WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT MY INTENTION IS TO LEAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S NOT TO CUT ANY CORNERS. 
          I'M NOT LIKE OTHER MAYBE INVESTORS OR HOMEOWNERS WHERE I ACTUALLY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS WINDOWS AND IT, IT, I TOOK IT LIKE IN THE WRONG WAY BECAUSE I SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS WINDOWS GUYS. 
          LIKE, THEY'RE OUT OF, THEY'RE MADE OUT OF WOOD SASHES. 
          THE, THE FRAME IS ALL WOOD. 
          THE ONLY THING IS ON THE OUTSIDE PELLA WINDOWS DOESN'T REALLY MAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, WOOD, BUT THEY'RE ALUMINUM CLAD. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE GOOGLE PICTURES, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LIKE, THEY WERE JUST IN HORRIBLE SHAPE. 
          SO I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT, I'M NOT SAYING I'M, I'M DISAGREEING OR ANYTHING. 
          I WANNA FOLLOW WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE, BUT I MEAN, LIKE, I REALLY FEEL LIKE I HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO TRY TO LEAVE, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS OR, OR WHATEVER THE FUTURE MIGHT HOLD, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD JUST LOOKS EXACTLY HOW YOU GUYS WANT TO LOOK. 
          YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, IT'S A REALLY BIG PROJECT. 
          I JUST ASKED TO PLEASE REVIEW THE PERMITS, REVIEW EVERYTHING. 
          I HAVE TOLD EVERYBODY DOWN THERE ON THE PERMIT SECTION, UM, I REALLY COULDN'T HIT A OUT OF LEFT FIELD WITH ALL OF THIS BECAUSE IN MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE PREVIOUS CASE MANAGER IS LIKE, HEY, THE THREE D RENDERING TELLS YOU EVERYTHING I'M WORKING ON. 
          SO I'M VERY CONFUSED AS FAR AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT HEY, ONLY PARTIAL AND THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I, I, AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          LIKE I SAID, I JUST, I MEAN THAT LIKE RESPECTFULLY, YOU KNOW, BUT MY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I, I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER YOU GUYS SAY. 
          OKAY? LIKE, LIKE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, THE WHOLE ISSUE ALL THIS TIME. 
          I ONLY THOUGHT IT WAS THE LANDSCAPING AND THE FENCING, THAT'S IT. 
          AND THE PAVERS ON THE SIDE. 
          SO I JUST PROVIDED SOME PICTURES OF OTHER PROPERTIES WITH IT, AND I'M GLAD EVERYTHING, UM, ENDED UP BEING AGREED UPON AND, AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          BUT ON, ON, JUST PLEASE, JUST ON MY DEFENSE, THE WINDOWS AND SIDING ISSUE WAS KNOWN TO ME THREE HOURS AGO. 
          MR. MR. ALL RIGHT, SIR. 
          THREE HOURS AGO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          STAFF WILL BE GETTING WITH YOU ON, UH, THE REST OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. 
          MR. CHAIR, THIS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, GO TO THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH STAFF, GO TO THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT HAS THE, THE RAILING ON IT. 
          THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH WITH THE WOOD. 
          OKAY, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO TELL THE APPLICANT THAT, THAT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE IS A VERY CLEAR INDICATION OF HOW MUCH YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. 
          AND, AND WHILE, UH, CLEARLY THERE ARE ASPECTS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED THAT, THAT YOU'VE COMMUNICATED VERY WELL, THAT YOU JUST DIDN'T KNOW, UM, THE, THE, THE CRAFT OF, OF WHAT THAT PICTURE SHOWS, SHOWS THAT, THAT EVEN WITHOUT REGULATIONS, YOU, YOU, YOU REALLY DO HAVE A, UH, AN EYE AND A CARE FOR, UH, THESE OLD BUILDINGS. 
          THE, THE PELLA WINDOWS, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOVE AND BEYOND. 
          AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ALUMINUM CLAD ARE TOTALLY, USUALLY TOTALLY WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF, OF THE TYPE OF WINDOWS THAT ARE REQUIRED. 
          BUT LET'S GET YOU PREPARED. 
          UH, THERE'S A STANDING SEAM ROOF ON YOUR, ON YOUR, UH, UH, ON YOUR, UH, ANIMATION, UH, STAFF IS GONNA HAVE TO GET WITH YOU ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UH, TO TELL YOU WHAT 
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WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR APPROVALS AND WHAT WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR APPROVAL. 
          SO GET YOURSELF PREPARED. 
          UH, BUT BY ALL MEANS, I THINK MR. CHAIR, I THINK YOU'LL AGREE THAT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE SAYS A THOUSAND WORDS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HE MAY HAVE GOTTEN AHEAD OF HIMSELF WITH RESPECT TO NOT KNOWING, BUT CLEARLY HIS ATTITUDE IS, IS ONE OF, UH, SINCERITY. 
          AND WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU, UM, SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD IN THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH GUYS. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YES. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION. 
          MOTION TO SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER LFO? YES, SIR. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UH, WHY IS STAFF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF SIX FOOT FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD? UH, NOW, I MEAN THERE IS A FINDING, UM, BUT I WILL NOTE THAT PART OF THE REASONING WAS THERE WAS AN EXISTING SIX FOOT FENCE AT THE FENCE FENCE AT THIS LOCATION AND THAT THERE'S NOT A NORMAL, UH, PLACE ON THIS PROPERTY WHERE THERE WOULD BE A, A REAR YARD WITH THE PRIVACY FENCE. 
          AND SO IT MADE SENSE TO ALLOW, UM, THAT EXISTING CONDITION OF SIX FEET TO REMAIN AT THAT LOCATION ONLY. 
          AND THEN ON THE PORTION IN FRONT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, IT WOULD BE FOUR FEET AS FORMALLY RECOMMENDED. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO, JUST AN APPRECIATION FOR COMMISSIONER LFO'S QUESTION THERE FOR CATCHING THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          AREOLA? AYE. 
          ZOOMER ON AYE CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE THAT SIR? AYE, AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I A I NEXT WILL BE ITEM 15 OF EDWARD. 
          JUST A MOMENT. 
          I WILL NOTE WE HAVE JUST SIX COMMISSIONERS ON THE CALL. 
          UM, SO IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO STEP AWAY, UM, PLEASE ALERT THE CHAIR. 
          UM, AND WE MAY NEED TO RECESS I AGENDA ITEM 
          [15. 21-5012 Address/Description: 334 BURLESON ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-026 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: cesar sosa/5 Elements International LLC Request: Construction of a two-story, single-family residential structure City Council Dist.: 2]
NUMBER 15, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2 2 1 0 2 6 3 3 4 BURLESON. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 3 34 BURLESON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIG WITTY HILL. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. 
          ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SHIFT THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION TO THE EAST TO ACCOMMODATE A DEEPER SETBACK AND A DRIVEWAY ON BURLESON IS NOTED IN FINDING F AN INCREASED SETBACK MAY REDUCE THE PERCEIVED HEIGHT AND MASSING IS NOTED IN FINDING G TWO THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE PROPOSED MASSING OR INCREASED THE FRONT SETBACK TO REDUCE THE PERCEIVED MASSING IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON BURLESON THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WINDOW GROUPINGS AND FENESTRATION PATTERNS THAT RELATE TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING K FOUR, THAT HORIZONTALLY PROFILE SIDING FEATURE AND EXPOSURE FOUR INCHES IN A THICKNESS OF THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING SHOULD FEATURE BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE AND BATTENS THAT ARE ONE IN ONE HALF INCH WIDE SIDING CORNERS SHOULD BE EITHER MITERED OR FEATURE CORNER TRIM. 
          THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, THE CRIMP RIDGE SEAM AND A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH, A RIDGE CAP MAY BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY, BY THE COMMISSION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          FIVE. 
          THAT WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN FINDING IN AND IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. 
          SIX AT FRONT YARD FENCING NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          PRIVACY FENCING SHOULD BE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PRIMARY FACADE AND SHOULD NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          PROPOSED DRIVEWAY GATES SHOULD BE LOCATED BEHIND THE NORTH MESQUITE FACADE. 
          SEVEN. 
          THAT TRADITIONAL ROOF ELEMENTS SUCH AS DEEPER ROOF OVERHANGS AND DEEPER EVES SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM IS NOTED IN FINDING J AND EIGHT THAT TRADITIONAL PORCH ELEMENTS SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM, INCLUDING COLUMN PLACEMENT 
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AND PORCH MASKING IS NOTED IN FINDING L. 
          THERE'S ALSO TWO CASE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO A FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION. 
          I HAVE THE APPLICANT, MR. CAESER SOSA ON THE LINE NOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT BEGINNING ON PAGE 19 OF THE PACKET, THERE ARE UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT SENT TO STAFF. 
          OUR COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS DO NOT REFLECT WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THESE DOCUMENTS. 
          YES, MR. SOSA. 
          HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON STAFF. 
          UH,  HERE AND, UH, I GOT MR. MR. HALL'S COMMENTS. 
          UM, A COUPLE DAYS AGO, UH, BEFORE THAT WE HAD MET IN, IN, UH, IN A MEETING OUR LAST COMMISSIONER'S MEETING, AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MR. HALL AND THE STAFF AND WE HAD A MEETING AS FAR AS, UH, ADDRESSING THE SETBACKS AND SOME ITEMS ON THE PROJECT. 
          UH, I, I ADDRESSED THOSE ITEMS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. 
          I SUBMITTED THAT TO MR. HALL. 
          HE PROVIDED, UH, A DRAFT WHERE I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE THE DRAWINGS AND THEN RESUBMIT RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING. 
          AND I'M GLAD HE INCLUDED THEM. 
          I WAS KIND OF WORRIED 'CAUSE I SAW THE PREVIOUS DRAWINGS AND THEY WEREN'T UPDATED AS THEY AS THEY ARE NOW. 
          UH, WE CAN REVIEW THE COMMENTS ONE AT A TIME IF YOU LIKE, AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE I, I UPDATED THE DRAWINGS TO MEET, UH, TO COMPLY WITH HIS REQUESTS. 
          YES, IF YOU WOULD ADDRESS THE COMMENTS ONE AT A TIME. 
          THE FIRST COMMENT, UH, IT WAS ABOUT PROPOSING THE CONSTRUCTION TO THE EAST TO ACCOMMODATE A DEEPER SETBACK. 
          I PROVIDED TWO SITE PLANS, UH, AS REQUESTED BY STAFF EXPLORING AN OPTION WHERE THE DWELLING WOULD MOVE OVER TO ALIGN WITH THE SETBACK. 
          AND IT WOULD GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO BE ON BURLESON. 
          AS ALL THE REST OF THE DWELLINGS ARE ON THE BLOCK OF BURLESON. 
          THEY ALL FACE BURLESON INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE DRIVEWAY IN THE REAR COMING OUT TOWARDS MESQUITE. 
          SO I PROVIDED THIS OPTION 'CAUSE I, I, I BELIEVE THIS IS A BETTER OPTION. 
          AND THEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IF EVERYBODY AGREES TO IT. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE MASSING AND INCREASING THE FRONT SETBACK, I DID DO THAT BY REMOVE, BY MOVING THE, THE, THE STRUCTURE TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND I ALSO REDUCED THE MASSING IN HEIGHT AND IN WIDTH, WHICH, UH, I ELIMINATED A FOOT ALL ALONG THE, THE MASSING TO GIVE THE DRIVEWAY MORE ROOM, UH, A GROUPING AS FAR AS FENESTRATIONS AND PATTERNS, YOU CAN SEE IN THE ELEVATION ON THE SECOND STORY, THERE'S UM, THERE'S THREE WINDOWS THAT I GROUPED TOGETHER TO COMPLY WITH THAT, WITH THAT REQUEST. 
          AS FAR AS, UH, THE SIDING, I PROVIDED A COMMENT IN THE SECTION DRAWINGS AS WELL TO ADDRESS THE SIDING. 
          UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE WIDTH OF THE SIDING, THE WIDTH AND, AND THE, THE, THE THICKNESS. 
          UH, THERE WAS ALSO A CONCERN ABOUT THE, THE WOOD CLAD WINDOWS. 
          I PROVIDED A, A NOTE IN THE, IN THE WALL SECTION OF AS WELL STATING THAT ALL THE WINDOWS WOULD BE WOOD WINDOWS. 
          AS FAR AS THE NEXT COMMENT, UH, REFERRING TO THE FENCE, NOT EX, THE THE FENCE HEIGHT. 
          I ELIMINATED THE FENCE ENTIRE IN ITS ENTIRETY. 
          AND I TOLD MR. HALL THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D EXPLORE DURING CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND I PROVIDE A PACKAGE AS FAR AS FENCING. 
          'CAUSE UH, I, I, I INTENTIONALLY HAD A WOOD FENCE AT THE BEGINNING, BUT I NEED TO REVISIT THAT 'CAUSE WOOD'S EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW. 
          , UH, THE, THE, THE ROOF ELEMENTS AS FAR AS, UH, DEEPER ROOF OVERHANGS AND EAVES, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A DIMENSION ON THE EAVE. 
          IT'S, UH, ONE FOOT SIX. 
          I PROVIDED THE OVERHANGS, UH, ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE HOME TO COMPLY WITH THAT COMMENT. 
          UH, THE COLUMN PLACEMENT, UH, I HAVE TWO COLUMNS IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, THE HOME. 
          AND, UM, I HAD PROPOSED A SMALL OVERHANG ON THE SECOND STORY THAT WAS ELIMINATED TO PRESERVE THE, THE, THE, THE FACADE. 
          I, I REMOVE THAT IN ITS ENTIRETY AND IT, IT MAKES FOR THE HOME TO BE, I GUESS TO MEET THE, 
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THE PROPOSED ROOF FORMS AND KEEP THE STR THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          THOSE WERE THE COMMENTS. 
          I BELIEVE I ADDRESSED THEM. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS, I'M, I'M GLAD TO ANSWER THEM. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, CORY, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? UM, WE DO, UH, FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL STORE DISTRICT, UM, WE SUPPORT STAFF AND THE APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL, LET ME LET START. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF THAT THE APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL BE DENIED. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED NO SETBACK DIMENSIONS, NO MEDIAN CALCULATIONS OF ADJACENT HOMES, AND TOO MANY SITE PLANS TO CONSIDER. 
          THE FINAL AND FOREVER LOCATION OF THE HOME IS NOT CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED OR SUPPORTED BY STAFF, AS WELL AS LOT COVERAGE, WINDOW SPECS, FENESTRATION AND MASSING TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION WITH THESE ITEMS ALLOWED BY STIPULATION IS AN UNJUST BURDEN ON STAFF AND THE FIRST STEP IN A PROBLEM PROJECT. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT WE HAVE. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          DID THIS PROJECT RECEIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL? UH, NO. 
          A LITTLE, UH, CASE HISTORY OF, SO THE PREVIOUS DESIGN ITERATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN INCLUDED, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO STRUCTURES, UH, ONE ON THIS LOT, ONE ON THE LOT THAT FRONTS NORTH MESQUITE. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, REQUESTED FINAL APPROVAL. 
          IT DID NOT RECEIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS JUST THE GENERAL REVIEW OF MASSING AND DESIGN ELEMENTS. 
          UM, SO NO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          GABRIEL QUEZ. 
          UM, EDWARD, THE UM, UH, APPLICANT JUST WENT DOWN THE LIST, UH, GAVE COMMENT ON HOW, UH, HE IS ADDRESSING THOSE AND I BELIEVE THAT HE'S ADDRESSED EVERY SINGLE ONE. 
          I'M WONDERING HOW DOES STAFF READ THE, UM, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE, UH, CLARIFICATION JUST GIVEN BY, UH, THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE? UM, TRUTHFULLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST FOR STAFF TO REVIEW THE UPDATES IN COMPARISON WITH OUR FINDINGS AND SEE WHAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AND WHAT HAS BEEN MADE TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UH, SINCE STAFF HAS NOT COMMENTED ON THESE REVISIONS, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW AND FOR COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW, AND ADDITIONALLY, STAFF HAS NOT PERFORMED THE DETAILED REVIEW THAT WE DO FOR THESE UPDATES AND THESE REVISIONS. 
          UM, SO I NOT AVAILABLE TO COMMENT ON HOW, WHAT'S BEEN UPDATED, ADDRESSES, STAFF'S COMMENTS? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT EDWARD'S SAYING IS WE CAN GENERALLY SAY THAT YES, THE, THE UPDATES ARE MOVING TOWARDS COMPLIANCE WITH THE STIPULATIONS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE UPDATING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AT THIS TIME 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY SAT DOWN AND LOOKED AT IT CLOSELY AND IN DEPTH. 
          UM OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT YOU ARE, AS THE COMMISSIONER ABLE TO CONSIDER THE TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT AND THE UPDATED PACKAGE AND, AND MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER YOU FEEL THE HO STORE DESIGN GUIDELINES HAVE BEEN MET IN THE APPLICATION. 
          WELL, CO COREY AND EDWARD, I, I APPRECIATE THOSE ANSWERS PARTICULARLY, UH, YOUR YOURS RIGHT THERE, COREY. 
          UH, BECAUSE I, I, THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE PROJECT. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MASSING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INCHES WITH RESPECT TO BEING ABLE TO REDUCE SOMETHING THAT'S EITHER ONE STORY OR TWO STORY RIGHT. 
          BUT ALL OF THOSE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE ESON DRIVEWAY TO, YOU KNOW, VERSUS THE, THE OTHER, I THINK THAT THEY MAKE SOME MAJOR ADJUSTMENTS THAT, UH, ARE WELL WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS. 
          I'M, I'M, IT'S, IT'S A RARE PROJECT, RIGHT? THAT COMES IN WHERE E EVERYTHING IS MET AND, UH, I KNOW THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS, BUT I, I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AS SUBMITTED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          OF COURSE. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE A CHANCE TO ALL COMMENT BEFORE WE START THROWING MOTIONS AROUND, BUT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK WERE CLARIFIED, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT CAN COMMENT ON THE LOT COVERAGE PERCENTAGE. 
          DO WE HAVE THAT? 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THAT REVISIONS, IF, IF, IF YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT SHEET RIGHT THERE THAT WE'RE ON, IT'S, IT'S ON THE BOTTOM THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE? IT, IT'S DEFINITELY HALF. 
          IF WE CAN ZOOM IN RIGHT THERE, RIGHT IN THE OKAY. 
          THAT WE'RE ON, WELL, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE YOUR DRIVEWAY. 
          SO WE TALK ABOUT PERMEABLE LOOK COVERAGE, SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. 
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UM, AND THEN, UM, THE SCALE AND MASS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK STAFF IS THEIR COMMENT ON SKIN ON MASS WASN'T SO MUCH ABOUT THE FEED. 
          IT'S BECAUSE MOST PROPERTIES ON BURGESON ARE ACTUALLY ONE STORY AND YOU'RE PROPOSING A TWO STORY. 
          HOW ARE YOU COMPARING YOURSELF WITH THOSE, UH, PROPERTIES, ADJACENT PROPERTIES? I'M SORRY, HOW AM I COMPARING MYSELF? YEAH, SO YOU'RE TRYING DO THERE'S ALL OF THEM ARE ONE STORY. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE I, THE GUIDELINES SAY I CAN GO OVER A STORY FROM THE HOUSES THAT ARE ADJACENT, UM, ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM, I'M ON THE CORNER. 
          THERE'S A TWO STORY HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO ME. 
          SO I, I THOUGHT I WAS WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF, OF GOING TWO STORIES. 
          SO ACROSS THE STREET FROM ESON OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM MESQUITE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MESQUITE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S A TWO STORY HOUSE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE EITHER TO REVIEW IN A D R C MEETING. 
          I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE NOT ITEMS THAT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING THAT YET, ESPECIALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TWO STORY OF 25 FEET. 
          DO WE HAVE THE TWO STORY HEIGHT OF THAT PROPERTY ON MESQUITE? I MEAN, NORMALLY THEY'RE NOT, IF IT'S NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S USUALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT HIGH. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU SEEM TO COMPLY WITH THE OTHERS. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING MAYBE A, A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH A SUGGESTION TO COME BACK WITH D R C AND, AND ALSO STAFF TIME TO REVIEW, UM, THE PLANS. 
          YES. 
          THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. 
          I THINK EITHER, UH, CONCEPTUAL OR JUST DOING A CONTINUANCE, UM, ON THIS CASE UNTIL THE APPLICANT, UM, CAN GO TO A D R C IF THEY CHOOSE, OR, UM, GIVE STAFF, YOU KNOW, PROPER TIME TO ANALYZE THIS, THIS SUB, THE CHANGES TO THE SUBMISSION CHAIRMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER LFO? UH, YES, SIR. 
          I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE PLAN. 
          THE, UH, CHANGING THE DRIVEWAY TO THE FRONT. 
          IT SHOWS THE DRIVE ONLY COMING TO THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE, WHICH WOULD MEAN FRONT YARD PARKING, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE DON'T TYPICALLY APPROVE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS PART OF, THAT WAS PART OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR SHIFTING THE BUILDING SO THAT THAT CONDITION WAS ELIMINATED. 
          UM, AND SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT TO PROPOSE MAYBE EXTENDING THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SIDE YARD, UM, SO THAT THE CAR SET SOMEWHERE TO GO AND MI MR. CHAIRS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          UH, I, I, I, I DON'T SEE A REASON TO POSTPONE THE, THE WORK ON THIS. 
          THIS IS THE SIMPLEST OF THE SIMPLE PROJECTS THAT EXIST, BUT, BUT ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I, I ADVISE, WHAT I ADVISE IS BECAUSE THE, THE SHIFTING AND, AND THESE THINGS I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE ARE REQUIRED, RIGHT? BUT STAFF, UH, UM, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINE OF THE APPLICANT, IN TERMS OF THE DUE DILIGENCE OF THE APPLICANT, UH, 'CAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO ASK STAFF WHAT, WHAT IS THEIR THINKING IN TERMS OF, UH, OF, UM, TELLING AN APPLICANT TO, TO MOVE THIS WAY OR THAT WAY WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE HOUSE AND, AND THEN CREATING A SITUATION THAT EXISTS THAT DOESN'T EXIST BECAUSE OF THE APPLICANT. 
          IT EXISTS BECAUSE OF STAFF. 
          SO NOW THE APPLICANT IS IN THIS SITUATION THAT WAS NOT CREATED BY ANY FAULT TO THE APPLICANT, BUT IN REALITY, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO THROUGH STAFF. 
          SO ALL OF THAT BEING TRUE, RIGHT? AND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REALLY DEMONSTRATED, UH, UH, THE, UM, THE WILLINGNESS TO DO THESE THINGS. 
          I THINK AT SOME POINT WE'RE MICROMANAGING THIS PROJECT. 
          AND, AND, UH, I, I WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORTIVE DENIAL OF, OF THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE SIMPLEST OF THE SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          WE JUST GOT ON A CONSENT, AN 8, 9, 10 STORY BUILDING, I THINK, RIGHT? THAT, UM, THIS PROJECT REALLY CAN SET A, A PRECEDENT FOR THIS COMMISSION THAT, THAT IT UNDERSTANDS IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME, THE, THE WORKLOAD, ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          SOMETIMES WE'RE JUST NICKEL AND DIMMING OR MICROMANAGING THESE APPLICANTS. 
          AND, AND CLEARLY THIS APPLICANT HAS DEMONSTRATED BY GOING DOWN THE RECOMMENDATION LINE AND OF COURSE, MUCH IS STILL, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE PURVIEW OF, UH, OVERSIGHT BY STAFF. 
          SO I WOULD EMPLOY THIS COMMISSION TO, 
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UM, ALLOW THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          IT JUST MAKES MOST SENSE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE BEING MICROMANAGED OR, UH, THAT STAFF IS MAKING KIND OF ARBITRARY SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE PLACEMENT. 
          THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS ASSIST THIS APPLICANT TO ACHIEVE THE GUIDELINES INDEPENDENT OF THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT OR ITS LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY. 
          AND I THINK THE EXPLORATION OF MOVING THE PARKING TO THE REAR, UH, UH, COMING OFF OF MESQUITE IS, IS A GOOD ONE THAT THE, UH, OWNER SHOULD, OR THE APPLICANT SHOULD, UH, UH, EXPLORE BECAUSE IT WILL BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE WITH GUIDELINES. 
          UH, SO I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS APPLICANT IS FAR OFF THE MARK. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT THERE YET. 
          AND TO APPROVE IT, UH, APPROVE FRONT YARD PARKING, UH, WHERE THAT IS JUST RIGHT OUT OF, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE PALE FOR THE GUIDELINES, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT. 
          SO I, I WOULD MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THIS CASE, GIVING THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND A D R C IF THEY WISH AND PERMITTING STAFF THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, GIVE PROPER REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS BASED UPON THE NEW SUBMISSION ITEMS. I SECOND COMMISSIONER LUNE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CAN I JUST ADD TO THE APPLICANT THAT I RECOMMEND ADDING, UM, IN PREVIOUS COVERAGE PERCENTAGE TO THE PLANS OR TO INFORMATION TO STAFF? WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO MOTION A SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? QUEZ? NO. 
          OLA. 
          OH, IS ABSENT. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          ZOOMER ON. 
          AYE, CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          . 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WHILE EDWARD GETS THE NEXT APPLICANT ON THE LINE, I JUST DO WANT TO CLARIFY 'CAUSE THERE MIGHT BE CONFUSION THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED TWO OPTIONS FOR THE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION TO STAFF. 
          UM, SO THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY FROM NORTH MESQUITE AND THEN ONE FROM BURLESON. 
          UM, THE BENEFIT OF ACCESSING FROM BURLESON IS THAT ALLOWED THE HOUSE TO MOVE FURTHER BACK INTO THE LOT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO LONGER A DRIVEWAY THERE. 
          UM, AND SO OUR STIPULATION AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE APPLICANT WAS TO, UH, GO WITH THIS OPTION, BUT TO MOVE THE HOUSE TO THE EAST SO THAT THE DRIVEWAY WAS NOT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND COULD MOVE TO THE SIDE YARD AS COMMISSIONER LFO WAS SUGGESTING. 
          SO JUST TO COMMISSIONER VE COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S POINT, LIKE WE DO TRY TO GUIDE THE APPLICANT WHERE WE CAN TO SOMETHING THAT WE THINK THAT IS GONNA BE AN AMENABLE SOLUTION. 
          OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND, AND THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO REVIEW IT. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME, BASED ON THE INFORMATION AS WE THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD COMPROMISE. 
          WELL, AND COREY, UH, UH, MR. CHAIR, I, I WANNA TELL COREY I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT AND I THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, AT TIMES IT'S, UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO NOT HAVE MYSELF IN THE SEAT OF THE APPLICANT BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE SPENT DECADES, UH, GOING BEFORE DIFFERENT H DRCS OR STYLES OF H DRCS. 
          I'VE BEEN FROM THE MOST SIMPLE PROJECT TO THE MOST COMPLICATED PROJECT. 
          AND, UM, I MEAN, YOU TOLD ONE THING AND THEN COMMISSION TELLS YOU ANOTHER THING AND THEN YOU, YOU, YOU GO HOME AND YOU DRINK A BEER WITH A FRIEND AND YOU SAY, HEY, THESE GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          AND IT JUST, IT, IT PUTS US IN A SITUATION TO SOMETIMES ACCEPT THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, PROACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN THE PROCESS, BUT THEN THEY BECOME A PINGING PONG BALL. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT, UH, I DO APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT, CORY. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 
          [16. 21-5036 Address/Description: 611 MUNCEY HDRC Case No.: 2021-357 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Felix Ziga/Ziga Architecture Studio PLLC Request: Construction of a 1.5-story, single-family residential structure City Council Dist.: 2]
H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 3 57 6 11 MUNCIE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 1.5 STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT SIX 11 MUNCIE LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH Q WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE FRONT SETBACK BE EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT SIX 15 MUNCIE AND THAT FIELD VERIFICATION BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE C O A TWO. 
          THAT BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE AND BATTENS THAT ARE ONE AND A HALF INCH IN WIDTH. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A STANDARD GAL BLOOM, FINISH, 
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FINISH, AND A C CRIMP RIDGE SEAM THREE THAT PROPOSED CORRUGATED STEEL SIDING, STEEL COLUMNS AND CEDAR SIDING BE ELIMINATED. 
          AND THAT MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND NOTES FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT BE USED FOR THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ADHERE STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS IS NOTED IN FINDING J AND THEN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS FIVE, THAT THAT FENESTRATION PROFILES BE MODIFIED. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDINGS, K AND L WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE INDIVIDUAL HEIGHTS AND WIDTHS THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE OPERABLE SASHES IN A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE, SIX THAT GRASS ARE FULLY LANDSCAPED. 
          GREEN SPACE IS INSTALLED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, STRIP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALKING CURB AND THAT THE PROPOSED FENCE TURN AT THE DRIVEWAY AND FEATURE A DRIVEWAY GATE THAT IS SET BEHIND THE FRONT TO SIDE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED FROM YOU FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THERE ARE ALSO TWO, TWO CASE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO A FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION. 
          I HAVE THE APPLICANT, MR. FELIX VIGA ON THE LINE NOW. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          UM, WE WAS THE, WAS THE PUBLIC COMMENT READ INTO THE RECORD ALREADY? UH, EDWARD? NOT YET. 
          NO. 
          IT, IT HAS NOT BEEN, NOT YET. 
          IS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER OUR PRESENTATION? IT WOULD BE AFTER YOUR PRESENTATION, MR. ZIGA. 
          ALRIGHT, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WELL, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH, UM, SAYING THAT WE, WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH STIPULATIONS ONE AND TWO. 
          UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT OUR CASE ON STIPULATIONS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. 
          UM, AND WE DO HAVE A QUESTION OR, OR SEEKING CLARIFICATION ON STIPULATION SIX, UM, REGARDING, UM, STIPULATION THREE, UH, REGARDING THE, THE CHOICE OF MATERIALS. 
          UM, IF YOU CAN ZOOM OUT TO OUR, UM, OUR SETBACK DIAGRAM, OUR SITE PLAN SETBACK DIAGRAM, WE ARE IN A UNIQUE KIND OF FRINGE, UM, AREA OF THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, IT'S, UH, I GUESS WEST ON OUR PLAN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TRUE NORTH THIS EXHIBIT, UM, WOULD, THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, THE RAILROAD TRACKS, WHICH IS VERY INDUSTRIAL RIGHT IN NATURE. 
          UM, SOME OF THE, UH, HOMES IN OUR BLOCK PHASE, UH, ALONG MUNCIE HAVE SHEET METAL, UH, BEING USED AS ROOFING MATERIAL. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE DREW INSPIRATION FROM, UM, ON PAGE 19 OF THE, UM, DOCUMENT. 
          THERE'S ALSO, UH, EXAMPLES OF OTHER, UM, USES OF CORRUGATED METAL AND, AND CORIN SPECIFICALLY, UM, IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT IN, IN A VERY SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, FRINGE, UH, PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO START OFF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION HOME, RIGHT? IT'S BEING BUILT IN 2021. 
          IT'S NOT BEING BUILT IN 1920. 
          UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, SPECIFICALLY THEIR GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEY STATE, YOU KNOW, NEW ADDITIONS, EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS FOR RELATED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHALL NOT DESTROY HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT CHARACTERIZE THE PROPERTY. 
          IN OUR CASE, WE'RE BUILDING NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO WE DON'T WANT TO DETER FROM THE, FROM THE HISTORIC, UH, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO CREATE FALSE HISTORICISM, RIGHT? SO WHAT WE DID ON THIS PROJECT IS WE KNEW ONE AND A HALF STORY WAS AN ADEQUATE SOLUTION, AND WE ACTUALLY MODIFIED A PLAN THAT WE HAD GONE THROUGH THIS COMMISSION IN THE PAST. 
          UM, AND SO WE KNOW WE'RE OKAY ON MASSING SCALE AND PROPORTION. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE CITY, UH, GUIDELINES WE'RE ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS USE, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE THE ALTERNATIVE USE OF TRADITIONAL MATERIALS, RIGHT? SO THIS, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE CORE 10, UH, DETAIL COMES IN. 
          THAT'S WHERE A PAIRED DOWN DETAIL, UM, AROUND THE WINDOWS, RIGHT? WHICH, WHICH LOOKS, WHICH IS, UM, STIPULATION UH, FOUR, UM, REGARDING THE, UH, ACTUALLY STIPULATION FIVE, THE FENESTRATION PROFILES. 
          SO OUR FENESTRATION PROFILES WERE INSPIRED BY, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 18 OF THE PRESENTATION, I'M SORRY, PAGE 19 OF THE PRESENTATION, IT SHOWS A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPARISON OF FENESTRATION PROFILES, UM, BETWEEN THIS PREVIOUS DESIGN THAT WE HAD GOTTEN APPROVED THROUGH COMMISSION AND, AND KIND OF OUR, OUR LATEST AND GREATEST. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, UH, THAT'S THE PAGE 20, THE ONE BEFORE THAT SHOWS THE SIDE BY SIDE ON THE WINDOWS. 
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UM, ARE, UH, I CAN'T, I KNOW THERE'S A LAG BETWEEN THE PRESENTATION. 
          ARE Y'ALL SEEING THE SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE WINDOWS? YES, WE HAVE IT UP NOW. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO, SO THAT DIAGRAM, UM, ILLUSTRATES HOW THESE MODERN, UM, INTERPRETATIONS WERE DEDUCED, RIGHT? UM, AND WHERE THESE PICTURE WINDOWS COME FROM, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A CONTEMPORARY HOME THAT NESTLES IN AND RES IS RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, SETS ITSELF APART WITH PARED DOWN DETAILS OF, OF, OF HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURE. 
          UM, LASTLY, UH, PAGE 20 OF THE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THE NEXT ONE, ELABORATES ON THE KIND OF THE COLOR PALETTE MATERIAL PALETTE THAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR. 
          UM, AND THERE IS A DOC, THERE IS A PAGE IN THE DOCUMENT, UM, PAGE 18 SHOWS OTHER EXAMPLES OF CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATIONS OF TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE, UM, SPECIFICALLY IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS, HOW IT, HOW IT'S BEEN EXECUTED IN THROUGHOUT THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, THAT'S OUR POSITION, UH, FOR, FOR ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. 
          UM, THE QUESTION I HAD ON ITEM SIX, UM, IS SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE FRONT YARD FENCE. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS STIPULATION OR COMMENT ON THE FENCE, UM, TURNING AT THE DRIVEWAY AND, AND FEATURING THE DRIVEWAY GATE BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE. 
          IS THIS, IS THIS WHERE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE STIPULATION, RIGHT? IS IT, IS IT SO THAT IF THERE IS A MECHANICAL GATE THAT IT'S MOUNTED BEHIND THE FRONT YARD OR THE FRONT, UH, FACADE OF THE BUILDING OR THE, THE PLANE, UM, IS THAT THE INTENT OF THAT STIPULATION? RIGHT, THAT IT WOULD BE KIND OF AT THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE AND NOT AT THE SIDEWALK. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN, SO, SO NOW, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT YARD FENCE WITH EVEN, WHAT, IF IT'S A MANUAL GATE, CAN, CAN THAT STAY AT THE, AT THE PROPERTY LINE IF IT'S NOT MECHANICAL? OR IS THIS JUST A DIRECTION THAT STAFF IS SEEKING NOW? WE'RE OFFERING OUR FENCES TURN AND WORK AROUND THE DRIVEWAYS? YEAH, GENERALLY THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND, AND THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED A FEW VARIATIONS JUST DEPENDING ON CONDITIONS IN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE AREA, BUT IT WOULD BE A RETURN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOREFOOT FENCE WOULD KIND OF RETURN AND DEFINE THE FRONT YARD AND THEN THE, THE VEHICLE GATE WOULD BE SET FOR THEIR BACK. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, AND I MEAN, I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A VEHICLE GATE OR NOT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT IT'S, IT MIGHT JUST BE A SIDE YARD FENCE, RIGHT? AND THEN THERE'S A FENCE IN THE BACK TO, YOU KNOW, TO SEPARATE THE PRIVACY, THE BACKYARD AND THE, AND THE DRIVEWAY. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THIS, THE, THE HOME AT 8 31 BURLESON HAS A SIX FOOT FENCE PRIVACY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT YARD LINE OF, UM, SIX 11 MUNCIE. 
          SO THIS MIGHT BE A CASE, A SITUATION WHERE IT MIGHT MAKE FOR A CLEANER DETAIL AND TO, TO HAVE THE FENCE RUN ALL THE WAY THROUGH. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATING, UM, UM, STIPULATION SEVEN, I'M SORRY, STIPULATION SIX. 
          YEAH, WE DO AGREE WITH STIPULATION SEVEN. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          SO WE DO AGREE WITH SEVEN AS WELL. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU MS. IF THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, UH, LEMME KNOW. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          NOW WE'LL HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. 
          UM, YES, THIS COMES FROM APA NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL STORE DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE ARE ALWAYS ENCOURAGED BY INFILL THAT IS APPROPRIATE IN FORM AND SCALE. 
          AND THIS IS ONE, HOWEVER, LIKE STAFF, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DETAILS AND MATERIALS. 
          FOUR 10 CORRUGATED STEEL SIDING IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE SIDING MATERIAL FOR RESIDENTIAL INFILL. 
          THE STEEL COLUMNS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL BUILDING TYPES. 
          THEY'RE NOT FOUND AS HISTORIC EXAMPLES, AND THEY DID NOT HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURE. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS CALLED FOR MINIMAL EAVES IN THEIR DRAWINGS, EVEN ON A MODEST VICTORIAN VES HAD, UH, BED MOLD SOFFIT AND FASCIA TRIMS THAT ARE EXTENDED WELL BEYOND THE FACE OF THE HOUSE. 
          THIS VICTORIAN AESTHETIC IS SO FUN IS ALSO FUNCTIONAL, UH, THIS DE THE DIG, EXCUSE ME, THE NUITY HILL WHERE DISTRICT NEIGHBORS REQUESTS THAT THESE AREAS BE RESOLVED BEFORE ISSUING A FINAL C O A. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT MR. ZIGA ON THE CITIZEN COMMENTS? SURE. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL BE BRIEF. 
          I KNOW I COVERED A LOT OF THE, OF THAT SAME GROUND, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION OF THE DESIGN, UM, REGARDING THE CORRUGATED, YOU 
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KNOW, THE, THE QUARTZ AND SIDING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE INDUSTRIAL, UM, AREA OFF OF SHERMAN AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND SOME OF THE MATERIALS USED IN THE, UM, UH, HISTORIC HOMES IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ROOFING. 
          UM, AND REGARDING THE VICTORIAN EVE DETAIL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE CREATED WHAT, AGAIN, A PAIRED DOWN WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE A PAIRED DOWN VERSION OF THAT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING A A SIX INCH, UM, UM, HALF ROUND GUTTER, UM, THAT, THAT CREATES THIS CORNINESS AROUND THE BUILDING WHERE YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE A, A VICTORIAN, UM, SOFFIT, UM, DETAIL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID TRY TO SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THESE MODERN INTERPRETATIONS OF TRADITIONAL MATERIALS BEING USED THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, SPECIFICALLY ON PAGE 18 OF OUR PRESENTATION, UM, WE, WE SHOW SHALLOW OVERHANGS. 
          UH, WE SHOW USE OF INDUSTRIAL MATERIALS, UM, AND WE ALSO SHOW CONTEMPORARY FENESTRATION PATTERN AND WINDOW TYPES, UM, USED IN THE DISTRICT ITSELF. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S STAFF. 
          PULL THAT UP. 
          WHICH PAGE? PAGE 18. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR, AGAIN, OUR PARED DOWN DETAILING OF, OF TRADITIONAL HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE, UH, IN THE 20, UH, WELL, YEAH, 21ST CENTURY, YOU KNOW, 2021 CONSTRUCTION. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE FALSE HISTORICISM. 
          WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO NOT KNOW WHETHER THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR OR A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES. 
          YES. 
          UM, I, I, UM, WANNA TELL THE, UM, UH, APPLICANT, UH, CONGRATULATE HIM ON A, A, A BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL DESIGN, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, TRY TO MAKE SOME, UH, TRY TO GET AHEAD OF COMMENTS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING TO SPEAK FIRST. 
          UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT, WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS A PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE, HOLISTIC, CONCEPTUAL TO ITS WORKING. 
          DRAWING IS SPEAKING THE LANGUAGE, PARTICULAR MIND, PARTICULAR INNOVATOR WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OBVIOUSLY DRAWING FROM INSPIRATION, BUT ALSO FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS TO BE A, AN INNATE CREATIVITY. 
          AND ONE, ONE OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVES ME FEAR WHEN PROJECTS LIKE THIS COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, IS HOW LITTLE SENSITIVITY WE CAN HAVE WHEN WE SAY, WHY DON'T YOU MOVE THIS? AND WHY DON'T YOU MOVE THAT? EVEN, EVEN GIVING THE IMPRESSION THAT, HEY, WELL WAIT A MINUTE, MAYBE I KNOW BETTER WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN DESIGNERS LIKE THIS COME BEFORE US. 
          WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN MANY CASES, WHAT IS BEFORE US IS EXACTLY AS IT NEEDS TO BE, SO THAT IT CAN REPRESENT ITSELF A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW AS NOT WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          SO, SECONDLY, WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY COMMENTS IN GENERAL, BUT PARTICULARLY HERE, THE WORST ARCHITECTURE YOU'RE GONNA GET IS AN ARCHITECTURE BY COMMITTEE. 
          AND, AND THE, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN, UH, I THINK VERY TRANSPARENT IN, IN, IN EXPLAINING THAT, UH, THIS IS UNIQUE. 
          BUT I THINK THAT, THAT THE HARDEST THING TO TELL A COMMISSION IS THAT THE UNIQUENESS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE INNOVATION AND THE TALENT AND THE SKILL OF THE, OF THE DESIGNER THAT'S BEFORE US. 
          THERE'S A PICTURE, IF YOU COULD GO TO THAT PAGE THAT HAS THE EXAMPLES THAT HE GAVE US. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO ZOOM IN COREY, BUT THE IMAGE AT THE TOP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, LOOKING AT THE SCREEN, THAT PROJECT RIGHT THERE IS A BRAND NEW PROJECT THAT EVEN ITS CONSTRUCTION METHODS, IF YOU WATCHED IT GETTING BUILT COMPLETELY ALIEN TO ANYTHING THAT'S BUILT IN THAT COMMUNITY. 
          AND, AND WHILE IT LOOKS A PARTICULAR WAY, IT BREAKS ALL KINDS OF RULES WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT, BUT IT IS EXACTLY THE WAY THAT IT HAS TO BE. 
          AND IF YOU GO BY AND YOU LOOK AT THIS HOUSE, YOU CAN'T HELP BUT SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF IT AND MAYBE WANNA SIT THAT, SIT THERE AND DRAW IT BECAUSE IT'S HUMBLE, BUT YET IT'S BUILT WITH SUCH SKILL. 
          I THINK USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS APPLICANT IS BRINGING BEFORE 
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US. 
          IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THESE KIND OF, UH, UH, UH, OBVIOUSLY A NEW HOUSE THAT'S SPEAKING ITS OWN LANGUAGE THAT MASTERFULLY IS INTERPRETING THE PAST, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WITH AN APPLICANT WHO'S WILLING TO PUT HIS NAME UP FRONT TO SAY, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE THE PAST. 
          AND JUST ONE MORE COMMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE VICTORIAN, IN, IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF VICTORIAN, IT'S EITHER VICTORIAN OR IT ISN'T. 
          AND, AND THE APPLICANT IS VERY CLEAR THAT, THAT IT'S NOT, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE IN THE ARTS, RIGHT, YOU CAN BE AN IMPRESSIONIST PAINTER, BUT, OR, UH, YOU CAN DO AN IMPRESSIONIST PAINTING, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU AN IMPRESSIONIST. 
          AND THIS IS THIS, THIS, THIS, UH, DESIGNER IS NOT GONNA BE A VICTORIAN, UH, DESIGNER. 
          HE DOESN'T LIVE IN THAT ERA. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, THEY'RE JUST COPIES, RIGHT? SO I I I, I, UH, JUST IMPLORE THIS COMMISSION THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE DESIGNER THAT'S BEFORE US. 
          AND, AND I WANT THIS, UH, UH, APPLICANT TO KNOW THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S PROJECTS LIKE THIS THAT MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS GREAT. 
          UH, SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF GREATNESS IN ORDER FOR IT TO HAPPEN. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOM. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, WELL, THE ONLY THING, I MEAN, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS, AND MR. SGA, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE ONE ABOUT THE FRONT FENCING, BUT YOU SEEM TO AGREE WITH THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S A VERY, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY CONSISTENT WITH ABOUT THE FENCING BEING IN THE BACK OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE FENESTRATIONS. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN, I MEAN, YOU DO TALK ABOUT YES, YOUR DESIGN AND, AND I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF YOU WOULD JUST DIFFERENTIATE YOU FROM THE BURON PROPERTY BECAUSE NOW YOU REALLY, THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE DIFFERENTIATING YOURSELF IS REALLY JUST ON THE FENESTRATION, WHICH, UH, SURPRISES ME AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING NEW AND NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAY, TRY TO DO FALSE HISTORICISM, AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE THREE 19 BURLESON AND THE AZI HOUSE. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU, LIKE, I WOULD'VE LOVED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVITY ON THAT, UH, IN THAT ASPECT. 
          UM, IF THERE ISN'T A HUGE DIFFERENCE, CAN Y'ALL APPROVE THIS ONE THEN SINCE YOU APPROVED, UH, ? UH, EVERY PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT IN MY MIND. 
          AND THAT WAS WHY I WAS GONNA SAY ANOTHER COMMENT WAS, UM, YOUR, THE PROPERTY LOCATION, UM, THERE ARE SOME STIPULATIONS THAT YOU WERE WANTING TO, TO MOVE AWAY FROM BECAUSE IT WAS THE SAME AS IN BURLESON, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE EVERY PROPERTY AND WHAT'S AROUND THAT ON MUNCY STREET IS PROBABLY, I MEAN, THERE COULD BE REASONS FOR THE BURLESON BEING APPROVED ON THE, AND I THINK IT WAS, I THINK ON THE, ON THE STEEL SIDING AND STEEL COLUMNS, I GUESS THAT WAS THE MATERIAL I THINK YOU WERE SAYING. 
          AND THEN THE, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING, RIGHT? NO, YOU WERE AGREEING TO ONE AND TWO. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE WINDOWS, I MEAN, I THINK THE WINDOWS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE, THE STIPULATIONS THAT I FEEL THAT THE STIPULATION THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE ARE SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT I FEEL LIKE, UH, STAFF HAS IT, RIGHT. 
          UM, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          SO HOW COME OTHER APPLICANTS CAN GET MODERN DESIGNS APPROVED? BUT WE CAN'T, I I HAVE CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT. 
          EACH PROPERTY DIFFERENT. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE. 
          WE, YEAH, I'M NOT, WE JUST SUBMITTED, WE JUST SUBMITTED, UM, MULTIPLE, UM, EXAMPLES OF CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURE WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, BEING APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS US TRYING TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE. 
          AND I, I MEAN, FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. 
          YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, IT'S SO SIMILAR TO BURLESON, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE YOU PUSH THE ENVELOPE. 
          WE'RE WE'RE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE AND WE'RE BEING CREATIVE WITH THE PARED DOWN DETAILS AND MAKING IT OUR OWN INTERPRETATION OF, OF ARCHITECTURE IN 2021, RIGHT? AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED WITH, WITH THE, THE PRESCRIPTIVENESS OF THIS, UM, 
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PROCESS, RIGHT? UM, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THE WORST, GETTING A LITTLE BORING. 
          ALL OF OUR PROJECTS ARE LOOKING THE SAME IF WE JUST FOLLOW THE STIPULATIONS TO A T. 
          UM, AND EVERYTHING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE A RA AT SOME POINT, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE, EVERY, EVERY COLUMN NEEDS TO BE A WOOD SIX BY SIX WITH A CAP AT THE TOP AND A CAP AT THE BOTTOM. 
          ALL THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE ONE OVER ONES. 
          WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT AND THAT YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT STILL BELONGS. 
          AND WE KNOW MASSING SCALE AND PROPORTION IS NOT AT, IT'S NOT EVEN A MATTER OF DISCUSSION, RIGHT? SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM SAYING THAT THESE, UH, THE WINDOW STIPULATIONS ARE IMPORTANT. 
          I COMPLETELY AGREE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE ALUMINUM, CLA ARE ALUMINUM CLAD. 
          SO WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT PORTION OF THE WINDOW GUIDELINES. 
          WE'RE JUST CHOOSING TO SH SHOW IT AND CONVEY IT IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT. 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, A MOMENT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE EARLIER COMMENTS FROM ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS REALLY THREW THIS INTO, I THINK, A TAILSPIN DISCUSSION OF STYLE. 
          AND IF ANYONE IS REMOTELY, UH, AWARE OF THE GUIDELINES, IT IS NOT A STYLE BASED SET OF GUIDELINES. 
          AND I THINK THE APPLICANT'S, UH, UH, COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, USING TRADITIONAL MATERIALS IN A CREATIVE WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          UH, LOOKING AT THE SCALE AND MASSING OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          ALL THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE ENCOURAGED BY THE GUIDELINES. 
          IT IS NOT STYLISTICALLY BASED OR PRESCRIPTIVE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS COMING FROM, UM, AND WHY THAT IS BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE BURNING SO MUCH TIME ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PART OF THE GUIDELINES. 
          SO I, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, UH, LOOK AT WHAT IS HERE, WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED BEFORE US. 
          AND I THINK, UH, ON, ON A LARGE SCALE HERE, STAFF IS, IS SAYING, YEAH, THIS IS ACCEPTABLE. 
          BUT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT, THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT ARE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, AND SO THE MATERIALITY OF THE WINDOWS, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID, YES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING WOOD WINDOWS, UH, ALUMINUM CLAD, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THAT'S ONLY READING A PORTION OF THE GUIDELINES. 
          IF YOU KEEP READING THAT SAME GUIDELINE, IT TALKS ABOUT THEIR, THEIR PROPORTIONS, WIDTH AND HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WIDTH AND HEIGHT. 
          AND SO THE, THE KEY TO CREATIVITY IS RESPONSE TO YOUR ENVIRONMENT, WHETHER THAT'S THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, WHETHER IT'S THE HISTORICAL ENVIRONMENT AROUND YOU, THAT'S WHERE CREATIVITY SHINES. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. 
          I THINK THERE'S JUST A FEW TWEAKS, AND THEY'RE NOT ARBITRARY. 
          UH, AND THERE'S NOT, UH, ONCE AGAIN, TRYING TO MICROMANAGE THE DESIGN. 
          I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN. 
          I THINK THERE'S JUST A FEW THINGS THAT ARE BEING CALLED INTO QUESTION. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, THE CORE TIN, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE PROXIMITY TO THE RAILROAD. 
          I'M NOT SURE THERE'S THAT STRONG A CONNECTION. 
          WE HAVE HAD OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE ADJACENT TO TRANSITIONAL MARGINS OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE, UH, SAID, YEAH, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE TO THAT INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURE ACROSS THE STREET IS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE HERE. 
          YOU'RE STILL NESTLED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT RIGHT ON THE RAILWAY RAILROAD. 
          SO, UH, WHILE IT'S PART OF YOUR BROADER CONTEXT, IT'S NOT YOUR IMMEDIATE CONTEXT. 
          SO THAT'S, I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY VALID FOR STAFF TO CALL INTO QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THE CORE 10 AS BEING PERHAPS TOO CONTEMPORARY. 
          NOW, I THINK IT'S EQUALLY VALID FOR THIS APPLICANT TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S OUR, OUR WAY IN WHICH WE'RE TAKING A HISTORIC MATERIAL THAT YOU SEE PARTICULARLY FOR, UM, UH, UH, FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, METAL SHEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND GIVING A NEW INTERPRETATION TO IT. 
          BUT THIS IS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, THIS IS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          AND SO I, I QUESTION WHETHER THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          I REALLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO BACK AND TAKE THAT ATTITUDE OF HOW CAN WE TAKE THE HISTORIC MATERIALS, BUT DO THEM IN A CREATIVE, NEW, FRESH WAY SO THAT THIS IS, UH, 2021, UH, IN ITS APPROACH. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          I THINK THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TWEAKED ON THIS ARE PRETTY MINOR, ACTUALLY. 
          I, I THINK THE LARGE HORIZONTAL WINDOW IN THE FRONT IS, IS, UH, NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES AND SORT OF SCREWS WITH THE PROPORTIONS OF THE FRONT, FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S A BENEFIT TO, TO THE DESIGN. 
          I THINK YOU CAN ACHIEVE THE SAME THING WITH THREE GAINED WINDOWS TOGETHER. 
          LIKE, UH, YOUR EARLIER PROTOTYPE THAT YOU, THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED HERE AT, UH, THREE 19 BURSON, SO I'VE GONE 
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ON TOO LONG. 
          THOSE ARE JUST SOME COMMENTS I WANTED TO SHARE. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          MR. CHAIR, JUST A POINT OF PERSONAL PREFERENCE. 
          THE APPLICANT WHEN HE OPENED, SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ONE, HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TWO, AND THE REST OF HIS COMMENTS WERE BASED ON THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. 
          AND THAT SIX, HE HAD A QUESTION HE ASKED. 
          THE QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THE FENCE. 
          UH, MY COMMENTS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS IN TERMS OF EMPOWERING THIS PROJECT AND ENABLING THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW, I CAN ONLY EXPECT THAT EVERYONE HERE, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME EXPERIENCE IN, IN, IN DESIGN AND, AND HAS AN EDUCATION OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPINION. 
          AND, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, FOR, FROM, FROM MY POINT, MUCH OF THE PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE US, THEY'RE READY TO GO. 
          AND, UH, AND I DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT, BUT THE ABILITY OF OTHER INTELLECTS TO ADD A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY CALL IT TOO MANY, UH, SPOONS IN THE SOUP, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S NOT ONE THING THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT BETTER THAN WHAT THIS APPLICANT IS BRINGING BEFORE US. 
          I MEAN, IT MIGHT MAKE IT WORSE. 
          IT'S LIKE THAT CASE THAT WE JUST HAD ABOUT MOVING THE HOUSE OVER, BUT WAIT A MINUTE, MAYBE WE DON'T WANT IT TO MOVE. 
          SEE? AND THEY GO BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH, THE IDEA THAT THAT FOUR INCHES IS GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO SOMEONE IF THE, IF THE DESIGNER UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT DESIGNER IS DOING AND SAYS, THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY THAT I LIKE IT. 
          AND, AND IT'LL TAKE ANY MORE TIME JUST TO KIND OF TELL YOU JUST A LITTLE, A LITTLE SIDE, UH, THERE, THERE'S A SCENE IN SOME MOVIE WHERE THEY'RE TELLING MOZART, UM, JUST HAS TOO MANY NOTES, AND MOZART SAYS, WELL, TELL ME WHICH NOTES TO CUT OUT. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, YES, WE CAN CHOP EVERYTHING AS MUCH AS WE WANNA CHOP IT UP, BUT WHEN SOMETHING'S PRESENTED TO US, WE HAVE TO ALSO TAKE THE INTENT OF THE DESIGNER TO LISTEN TO THE LANGUAGE THAT THE DESIGNER'S USING AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE EXPRESSION OF THE TIME. 
          AND LIKE MIS VAN DERO SAID, WHAT THE DEFINITION OF ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT? IS THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S SPEAKS OF ITS TECHNOLOGY AND OF THE EPOCH OF THE TIME, THIS DESIGNER'S THE ONE THAT'S DOING IT, NOT US. 
          WE'RE JUST A COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN. 
          UH, MR. CARPENTER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL. 
          UM, OUR POSITION IS, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE SAYING THAT THE TWEAKS ARE MINOR, RIGHT? BUT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY CONTENTIOUS ENOUGH TO POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NOT GET AN APPROVAL TODAY, RIGHT? AT AT LEAST NOT AS DESIGNED, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH SOME STIPULATIONS. 
          WHEN I MENTIONED THAT THE PROCESS HAS GOTTEN A BIT PRESCRIPTIVE, I'M SPEAKING IN REGARDING TO THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF IS USING CONSISTENTLY. 
          UM, WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, SPACING ON BOARD AND BATTING, WE'RE GETTING SPACE AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AREN'T FOLLOWED, IT, IT, IT PUTS A PROJECT IN PAYROLL, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF AN APPROVAL, RIGHT? SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          IF I CHANGE THESE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE MINOR, UM, I FEEL WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH THE EXACT SAME APPROVAL FROM THREE 19 BURLESON. 
          UM, AND I'M USING THE WORD FEEL BECAUSE I, THAT'S WHAT IS ALMOST, IF I WERE TO FOLLOW STAFF STIPULATIONS TO A T I WOULD END UP WITH THAT SAME DESIGN, AND WE DON'T WANT THAT DESIGN. 
          WE WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SOMETHING NEW. 
          UM, THE FLOOR PLAN WORKS, AND IT FITS ON THIS LOT, BUT WE WANT A NEW EXPRESSION, UM, THAT'S STILL, IT'S HUMBLE ENOUGH TO WHERE IT, IT'S NOT GONNA STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO, TO TRY A MOTION, UH, I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT AS PRESENTED WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ONE, TWO, AND SIX. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE A, A DIFFERENT MOTION? THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I, UM, KIND OF WANTED TO ASK THE APPLICANT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DO NOT WANNA ACHIEVE IS THE SAME AS . 
          AND SINCE I DO NOT AGREE WITH CHANGING AND REMOVING SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS, I FEEL LIKE, UM, MAYBE THERE COULD BE A WAY THAT 
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YOU COULD, UM, CHANGE, MAKE SOME CHANGES, NOT ONLY FENESTRATION CHANGES. 
          I MEAN, REALLY, I MEAN, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT THAT WHAT IS THE MAIN CHANGE IS THERE, AND HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANY OTHER WAYS? I, I WOULDN'T MIND SEXUAL WITH REMOVE LEAVING THE STIPULATIONS AND YOU COME BACK AND MAYBE WITH A MODIFIED DESIGN, I MEAN, AT THE END MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S, IT'S THE FINAL DETAILS ON THE EXTERIOR THAT MAKE, MAKES IT DIFFERENT AND EXACTLY THAT IS EX I, I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SEE ANOTHER, LIKE A COMPLETE COPY OF THE FUR AND PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THOSE WORDS. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE COULD KEEP THE MATERIALS AND THE EXPLORATION OF, OF MATERIALS, UM, I WOULD BE OPEN TO, UH, CHANGING THE FENESTRATION PATTERN. 
          UM, BUT THEN, THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS LIKE, IT'S LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO MEET YOU HALFWAY, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE IT ALSO TAKES AWAY FROM THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN, RIGHT? SO IF WE GO BACK TO PAGE 18, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROJECT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE, UM, MIDDLE CENTER, UH, MIDDLE CENTER TOP RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PROJECT, CLEARLY THE, NOW THIS, THIS PROJECT DID HAVE SOME HISTORIC CONTEXT TO GO OFF, RIGHT? THIS IS IN ADDITION TO A HISTORIC HOME, BUT IF YOU HAD FAKE DIVIDED LIGHTS OR TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS ON THE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW, THAT IS A MODERN INTERPRETATION OF THE PROPORTIONS OF THE HISTORIC WINDOW ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF IT, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD CREATE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CHARACTER AND, AND FLAVOR AND, AND INTERPRETATION OF THE DESIGN. 
          IF YOU SCROLL DOWN SLIGHTLY, I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN, BUT THE, THE BUILDING BELOW THAT HAS FEEDER, HAS CORE 10, HAS, UH, IT EVEN HAS CORRUGATED METAL ROOF. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT FRONT TO SAWD HAS ZERO ZERO FENESTRATION IN TERMS THE, THE VOLUME ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, WE'RE ACTUALLY PROVIDING FENESTRATION AND WE'RE PROVIDING A DIAGRAM THAT THAT SHOWS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T JUST CREATE THIS FENESTRATION PATTERN OUT OF THIN AIR, RIGHT? WE INTERPRETED IT OUT OF, TO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS APPROPRIATE FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          OTHERWISE, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED. 
          SO I KNOW I KIND OF TALKED AND DIGRESSED. 
          I AM OPEN TO LOOKING AT THE FENESTRATION PATTERN. 
          I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE DESIGN OR, OR THAT IT GETS, IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THREE 19 BURLESON AGAIN, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS COMING OUT OF, IT'S NOT JUST BURLESON AND THIS PROJECT, RIGHT? THIS IS COMING OUT OF SOME OTHER PROJECTS WE'VE DONE. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION IN DIGNITY HILL, AND A LOT OF IT'S STARTING TO LOOK THE SAME, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          MR. ZIGA, I DO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS. 
          ABSOLUTELY, YES, MR. ZIGA, I'M, I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT WE'RE ABOUT TO LOSE A QUORUM AT SIX O'CLOCK AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE CASES TO PROCEED. 
          WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TAKE THIS TO A D R C WHERE WE COULD GET INTO MORE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? UM, IF THAT IS THE ONLY OPTION TO KEEP THIS, UM, DESIGN IDEA ALIVE, THEN YES. 
          UM, I, I, I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK WITHIN THE DESIGNERS AND ALL OF YOURSELVES AND, AND SEE IF YOU COULD GET SOMETHING APPROVED TODAY. 
          I WOULD CONFIRM. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WOULD YOU ALSO AGREE WITH THAT? SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN? I WOULD AGREE THE MOTION TO D R C WAS PRESENTED. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YEAH, I, I, UH, IF THAT IS A MOTION, I WOULD, UH, SECOND THAT, I THINK, UH, AS I SAID, UH, BEFORE, I MEAN, I, I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE OF CONTEMPORARY DESIGN WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE PUSH AND PULL AND SYNERGY, UH, OCCURS. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT FAR OFF, BUT THERE'S, THERE ARE ALWAYS THINGS THAT, THAT CAN BE IMPROVED. 
          AND WE'RE NOT AT A MOZART CONCERTO YET, SO WE CAN, WE CAN GET THERE THOUGH. 
          SO COMMISSIONER GRU, WAS THAT A MOTION, A MOTION TO MOVE THIS CASE TO D RSON? AND A SECOND AND A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST LIKE TO TELL THE APPLICANT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL, FROM, FROM MY PART, I, UM, 
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I, I JUST HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, APOLOGIZE TO, TO YOU, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, HOLDING UP THE PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIES IN THE EYE THAT BEHOLDER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME REAL SIMPLE CONCERTOS AND THERE'S SOME VERY COMPLICATED OPERAS. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I I, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE BECAUSE THE DIALOGUE HERE I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY FOR THE CITIZENS TO KNOW AND FOR US TO KNOW ALSO THAT WHEN, WHEN THESE APPLICATIONS TAKE SO LONG THAT IT'S NOT HOT AIR, SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S, UH, KNOWING HOW TO PAY RESPECT TO THE PEOPLE THAT COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANNA REMIND MR. VELAS, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, THAT HE'S THE ONE LEAVING AT SIX, AND I WOULD, I AGREE WITH MR. WITH YOU CHAIR, THAT WE NEED TO MOVE, UH, FORWARD. 
          SO AT LEAST WE GET TO LISTEN TO ALL THE APPLICANTS TODAY. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D NEVER LEAVE EARLY FROM THESE MEETINGS. 
          I MAKE THE DRCS AND I, I'M HERE, UH, PRETTY CONSISTENTLY. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          BUT I WAS GOING BY WHAT YOU HAD SAID EARLIER, THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO LEAVE AT SIX. 
          YEAH, I, I KNOW, BUT THE CONTEXT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I'VE GOTTA BE REMINDED MY LEAVING MAKES THIS CASE NO LESS IMPORTANT, AND WE'VE TAKEN OTHER CASES THAT WE DON'T HAVE QUORUM AND MOVED THEM TO THE NEXT DOCKET PLENTY OF TIMES FOR MUCH DIFFERENT REASONS. 
          SO, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT GOTTA CARRY THAT WEIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          VELASQUEZ NO RA THINK I HEARD? AYE CARPENTER? YES. 
          AYE GROUP. 
          AYE THAT SIR? AYE,  AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COMMERS. 
          AYE MR. CHAIR, IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK. 
          DID WE WANT TO TAKE A BREAK OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          OKAY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE BACK. 
          UM, WE CAN CONTINUE WITH ITEM 17 1 0 7 ARMSTRONG PLACE. 
          STEPH, ARE YOU THERE? YEP, AHEAD. 
          H AHEAD. 
          [17. 21-5048 Address/Description: 104 ARMSTRONG HDRC Case No.: 2021-353 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Brad Clawson/Elise Construction, LLC Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 2]
H C CASE NUMBER 21 DASH 3 5 3 ADDRESS, 1 0 4 ARMSTRONG, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW ALUMINUM WINDOWS. 
          THE LOCATIONS OF THE WINDOW OPENINGS WILL NOT BE MODIFIED, BUT THE OPENING SIZES WILL BE ENLARGED TO ACCOMMODATE STOCK SIZES. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 
          THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT AS PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH A PRODUCT THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLERS A FOLEY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT MEETS OUR STANDARD STIPULATIONS AS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT BRAD, ON THE LINE. 
          BRAD, DID YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE YOUR PROJECT? SURE. 
          HELLO EVERYONE. 
          UH, BRAD  CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND, UH, THE, UH, PROJECT OVER AT TWO 20 NORTH, UH, MESQUITE STREET, WHICH WE PRESENTED TO Y'ALL, UH, I BELIEVE IS A WEEK OR A WEEK OR TWO AGO. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE'RE GOING AFTER IS WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE, THE KIND OF THE THEME AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS. 
          UM, THE SAME, WE WERE APPROVED TO DO ALL OF THE WINDOWS ON THE ONE ON TWO 20 SKI. 
          UM, AND BOTH OF THE, BOTH OF THE PROJECTS ARE GONNA BE PURCHASED BY THE SAME PERSON. 
          SO WE WANT KEEP, KEEP EVERYTHING CONSISTENT AND DO THE SAME ON TWO AS WE ARE ARMSTRONG. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, COREY, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? UH, WE DO. 
          UM, THIS COMES FROM OUR GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL STORE DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS. 
          YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WE STRONGLY SUPPORT STAFF'S. 
          RECOMMENDATION STAFF'S EXPLANATION TO THE HISTORY AND USE OF ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND HISTORIC WOOD STRUCTURES IS USEFUL IN GAINING AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW REQUESTED REPLACEMENT WINDOWS SHOULD BE APPROACHED AND WHY THE ORIGINAL WOOD MATERIAL IN THIS CASE IS DEFINITELY THE MOST APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, I WILL JUST SAY IN GENERAL, UM, THESE REQUESTS ARE NOT UNCOMMON. 
          UM, GENERALLY WE, WE TRY TO HANDLE THEM ADMINISTRATIVELY IF THERE'S A NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOW LIKE THIS IN A HISTORIC HOUSE. 
          UM, WHAT WE STRIVE FOR IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALWAYS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, AND SO THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL A WOOD WINDOW NECESSARILY, BUT WE DO LOOK FOR, UM, A WINDOW THAT IS SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, AND SO THAT IS, THAT IS OUR STIPULATION. 
          UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT MATERIALS, UM, BUT THIS IS OUR NORMAL KIND OF WINDOW STIPULATION AND THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO REVIEW ANY SORT OF ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL FROM THE APPLICANT THAT, THAT STRIVES TO MEET THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 
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THE ADDRESS THAT, UM, MR. CLAWSON MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, UM, WERE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. 
          WERE THEY NEW ALUMINUM WINDOWS REPLACING OLD ALUMINUM WINDOWS? I THINK SO. 
          UM, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TO SEE. 
          I I BELIEVE THAT THAT CASE HAD A SIMILAR RECOMMENDATION AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT STAFF HAS NECESSARILY CONFIRMED THAT THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE STIPULATION OR NOT. 
          SO WE, WE WOULD NEED TO WORK A LITTLE FURTHER WITH THE APPLICANT, I THINK ON THAT. 
          STEPH, CAN YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M MOVED THAT THAT IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED? UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOVE. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND JUST A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, IS THE WINDOW SIZE EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT'S EXISTING OR WILL YOU BE MODIFYING THE, THE OPEN? UH, THE OPENING WOULD BE SLIGHT, SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY. 
          YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT I COULD SEE FROM THE DRAWINGS. 
          SO I MEAN, SO IT'S NOT ONLY REPLACING, IT'S ALSO MODIFYING THE ORIGINAL OPENING OPENING. 
          UM, WHICH MAYBE BE A LITTLE BIT, WHAT WOULD WORRY ME, UM, I'LL JUMP IN HERE AS STAFF. 
          UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY OKAY WITH THE WIDENING OF THE OPENINGS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHERE THE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE SLIGHTLY WIDE WIDER. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, UM, SINCE THE OPENINGS ARE NOT MOVING, THEY'RE GONNA BE IN THE SAME GENERAL LOCATION. 
          WE'RE OKAY WITH, UM, THE OPENING SIZES BEING WIDENED JUST A BIT. 
          OH, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          YEAH, I CAN SEE THAT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YEAH, WE WERE PLANNING TO STAY WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE COLOR RESTRAINTS ON THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WERE JUST WANTING TO, UH, TO, TO KEEP WINDOWS CONSISTENT BETWEEN THE FRONT PROPERTY AND THE BACK PROPERTY, UM, THE MESQUITE AND, UH, ARMSTRONG. 
          UM, OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA STAY WITHIN THE COLORS, UM, BUT WE WERE WANTING TO DO BOTH THE, UH, FOUR WINDOWS AND I COULDN'T SEE IN THE WINDOW DESCRIPTION IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE SAME LIKE THE WINDOW SPECIFICATION THAT STAFF MENTIONED, LIKE THE, THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWSILL AND LIKE, UH, ARE YOU, IS THAT IN, IN THE EXHIBIT? I THINK IT WAS PAGE 12. 
          I COULDN'T SEE THAT. 
          WOULD THOSE BE SIMILAR TO OUR GUIDELINES? WE WOULD BE DOING IT ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES, YES. 
          IT WOULD JUST, UH, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WAS OUT BY THE WALL WALLPAPER. 
          SO THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS A WINDOW THAT IS THINNER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN THE RECOMMENDED STIPULATIONS. 
          IT READS MORE LIKE AN ALUMINUM WINDOW. 
          AND SO THAT IS THE CONCERN. 
          HOWEVER, THAT'S, THIS IS THE REASON IT'S COMING TO H C C IS WE DO LOOK FOR, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF DISCRETION TO BE USED IN THESE CASES WHERE THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING KIND OF NONCONFORMING WINDOWS THAT ARE CLEARLY NOT OF SIGNIFICANCE AND DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC APPEARANCE IN THE HOUSE. 
          BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT ON A RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF, OF THE NORMAL STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CORY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          CORY GR GROWING UP IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? UM, THESE, THESE HOUSES, MUCH OF THESE HOUSES, UM, AND I COULD TAKE YOU INTO THE, THE HARLANDALE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT OF 'EM HAVE THESE OLD SCHOOL ALUMINUM WINDOWS. 
          AT SOME POINT YOU OPEN 'EM AND THE ALUMINUM SASH FALLS OUT, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE VERY, VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE FROM, DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT AGE YOU'RE IN. 
          SO I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE 1960S, 1970S. 
          I UNDERSTAND HOW, HOW DOES, HOW DOES, UM, THE, THE H D R C, UM, THE, THE, THE O H P SEE THAT AS AN ARCH TYPE OF, OF THE PERIOD FOR WHETHER IT'S INFERIOR OR, OR, OR WHAT WITH RESPECT TO THE THIN STYLE OF THE OLD ALUMINUM? FOR SOME IT, IT SPEAKS TO THEM OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? FOR OTHERS THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT YOU DO, RIGHT? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT FOR ME? YEAH. 
          WE DO HAVE A FINDING IN THE RECOMMENDATION THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO KIND OF SOME OF THE QUALITY ISSUES WITH THIS TYPE OF WINDOW. 
          UM, THE GUIDELINES THEMSELVES DON'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT ORIGINAL WINDOWS ONLY MUST BE PRESERVED. 
          IT DOES USE THE WORD HISTORIC. 
          AND SO THAT WORD IS A LITTLE BIT UP FOR INTERPRETATION, UM, HISTORIC MEANING OF CERTAIN AGE OR CONSISTENT WITH WHEN THE HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED ORIGINALLY. 
          UM, I WILL SAY EVEN IN MID-CENTURY HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE SIXTIES WHERE WE SEE THIS TYPE OF 
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WINDOW AS THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, UM, THIS COMMISSION WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HAS APPROVED REPLACEMENTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES IDENTIFIED IN THIS FINDING. 
          UM, GENERALLY THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO REPAIR. 
          UM, AND SO SOMETIMES THESE TYPE OF WINDOW DOES NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          UM, THERE ARE ALSO ISSUES WITH, UH, MOISTURE AND CONDENSATION WITH THE LUMINAL WINDOWS, AND SO IT MIGHT BE A BETTER SOLUTION LONG TERM FOR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEEK A REPLACEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THEN I'M, I'M INTERPRETING THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT IS IN THE PURVIEW OF, OF O H P, IT PRIMARILY THE AESTHETICS AND THE AESTHETICS WITHIN THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE BUILDING, UM, THAT THIS WINDOW SOMEWHAT APPROPRIATE FOR IT BEING A WINDOW THAT'S BEING PRESENTED FOR IT BEING A REPLACEMENT OF WHAT WOULD SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE OF THE 1950S, 1960S, 1970S IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS HISTORIC. 
          RIGHT? UM, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SUBJECTIVE, BUT, BUT POTENTIALLY, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU CORY. 
          A CLARIFICATION ON, I JUST LOOKED UP THE MEETING MINUTES FROM, UM, I THINK IT'S JULY 21ST, WHERE LOOKED UP THIS PARTICULAR CASE ON MES TWO 20 MESQUITE WITH THIS SAME CONTRACTOR AND WHAT WAS MOVED AND APPROVED WAS REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS, WHICH WOULD MEAN THE DIMENSIONS AND COLOR. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, AND I, I FEEL THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL WORK AND SEE WHAT HAS BEEN PURCHASED AND INSTALLED AND, AND, UM, UH, GO FROM THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE A COMMENT. 
          I MEAN, YES, SIR. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY I WOULD, UH, BE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE. 
          UM, BUT IF THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A, A WHOLESALE CHANGE OUT OF WINDOWS OF A CERTAIN TYPE THAT WERE APPROVED IT, AND EVEN IF THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION ASSOCIATED WITH IT, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A BIT, UH, IT PUTS US ON A BIT OF A DIFFICULT FOOTING TO, TO THEN SAY, OH NO, THE BACK BUILDING HAS TO, HAS TO COMPLY WITH THESE STANDARDS. 
          UM, AND, AND THIS IS WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO STRIVE FOR CONSISTENCY TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF SUBJECTIVITY AND OUR FAVORITISM OR, UH, WHATEVER. 
          BUT THAT'S ALSO WHY WE HAVE THIS COMMISSION IS THAT SOMETIMES CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, DICTATE THAT IT'S NOT JUST AN OFF THE RACK KIND OF APPROACH TO, UH, APPLYING THE STANDARDS. 
          SO I, I THINK IN THIS CASE, UH, WITH IT BEING THE SECONDARY BUILDING, SINCE THERE'S ALREADY WINDOWS OF THIS SORT, HAVE BEEN SELECTED FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT I COULD SUPPORT THIS THOUGH IT'S BEGRUDGINGLY, UH, TO BE NOTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS. 
          I THINK THAT THESE SITUATIONS CAN GET A LITTLE BIT, UM, COMPLICATED GIVEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALUMINUM, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS REPLACEMENTS. 
          I, I THINK WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE COULD BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE, ALTHOUGH I DO HAVE SOME HESITATION, SO THEREFORE I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. 
          SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? I ROLL. 
          CALL PLEASE FISH. 
          AYE. 
          QUEZ? AYE. 
          ERON? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM 18, EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE WITH THE APPLICANT? YES. 
          THE GENERAL ITEM 
          [18. 21-5056 Address/Description: 107 PASO HONDO HDRC Case No.: 2021-368 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Cesar Pedraza/Iral Construction Request: Removal of rear addition, repair and replacement of damaged brick City Council Dist.: 2]
NUMBER 18 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 21 6 360 8 1 0 7 PADO, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE DAMAGED BRICKS WITH NEW BRICKS TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND TWO DEMOLISH. 
          THE REAR EDITION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE BRICK REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT BRICK MATCHED THE ORIGINAL AND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A SAMPLE TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE 
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OF A C O A AND TWO, THAT ALL GROUT AND MORTAR MATCH THE ORIGINAL IN COLOR AND TEXTURE THAT DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING REAR EDITION STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT REPLACEMENT PLANS BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL AND ISSUANCE OF A C O A I HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE, MR. CAESAR PRAZA. 
          UH, MR. PRAZA, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES SIR. 
          GO AHEAD PLEASE. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, SO, UH, THE BRICK WILL BE RESTORED AND IT WILL MATCH THE EXACT SAME COLOR OF THE BRICK AND MORTAR AS WELL. 
          UM, AND FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXTERIOR, WE, WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, PLAN OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE ADDED THERE. 
          UM, I WILL SUBMIT THAT AS SOON AS I GET WITH THE ARCHITECT AND COME UP WITH A SIGN, BUT AS OF NOW WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THAT EXISTING ADDITION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DO. 
          UM, THIS COMES FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE DIG HILL RESORT DISTRICT, THE DIG, DIG, HILL SWORD DISTRICT NEIGHBORS SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WE ALSO DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ADDITION AS STAFF AS STATED. 
          WHILE NOT ORIGINAL, THE WOOD EDITION AT THE REAR IS CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE AND MOST LIKELY SERVED AS A REAR OPEN PORCH THAT WAS ENCLOSED AT A LATER DATE OF GREAT CONCERN IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE PARTIAL DEMOLITION REQUESTS FOR NON-ORIGINAL OR NON-CONFORMING CONDITIONS. 
          OFTEN DEMO REQUESTS WITHOUT A PLAN FOR THE LARGER REHABILITATION OR MINIMALLY THAT STABILIZATION AND WEATHERPROOFING PLAN LEAVE OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES UNSTABLE AND MORE VULNERABLE TO DAMAGE. 
          IF THE COMMISSION GRANTS SELECT DEMOLITION, WE REQUEST THAT STABILIZATION AND COMPLETE ENCLOSURE PLANS ARE INCLUDED. 
          ALSO, WHILE NOT, WHILE NOT ADDRESSED BY STAFF, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO REPLACE THE GLASS IN ALMOST ALL THE WINDOW SASHES. 
          WE DO NOT SUPPORT REPLACING ANY GLASS UNLESS IT IS BROKEN. 
          AND THEN WE RECOMMEND THAT AN EFFORT BE MADE TO USE CORRECT PERIOD GLASS HOUSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, LOOKING AT THE SANDBAR MAPS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE FROM 1912, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS SHOWING A REAR ADDITION AND, UH, FROM THE PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, LOOKS LIKE IT. 
          THAT REAR EDITION MAY HAVE BEEN ENCLOSED. 
          SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF COMING UP WITH A PROPOSED EDITION PLAN THAT PERHAPS AND HOPEFULLY COULD INCORPORATE, UH, THAT HISTORIC PORCH PRIOR TO APPROVING DEMOLITION OF, OF THE PORCH OF THE ENCLOSURE. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          I, I CONCUR WITH THAT. 
          MR. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          UH, 'CAUSE I THINK THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STAFF HAVE THIS, RIGHT? THAT IS, IT WAS PROBABLY CONTEMP CONTEMPORARY TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, OF THE HOUSE AS A PORCH THAT GOT ENCLOSED, WHICH WAS A VERY COMMON THING THAT HAPPENED. 
          PARTICULARLY AS THEY WERE EATING MORE SPACE WITHIN THE HOUSE FOR KITCHENS AND OTHER SUPPORT SPACES. 
          PORCHES WOULD BE CAPTURED FOR THAT. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, UM, A DENIAL OF ITEM TWO. 
          AT THIS TIME, THOUGH, THE APPLICANT COULD COME BACK AT A LATER TIME WITH REPLACEMENT PLANS. 
          AND, UH, THAT MAY BE COMPELLING, UH, FOR AN ARGUMENT FOR SELECTED DEMOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER LA SECOND. 
          I SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER LFO. 
          YES. 
          SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          FISH. 
          AYE GIBBS. 
          OH, I'M SO SORRY. 
          UH, VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ERON? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GU AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          . 
          AYE. 
          QUESTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE NEXT IS ITEM 19. 
          RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? 
          [19. 21-5040 Address/Description: 125 W ASHBY PLACE HDRC Case No.: 2021-356 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Paul Franklin Request: Fence and retaining wall replacement City Council Dist.: 1]
YES. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 56 1 25 WEST ASHBY PLACE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CONCRETE RETAINING WALL AND WR IRON FENCE WITH A BRICK RETAINING WALL AND WROUGHT IRON FENCE IN THE SAME LOCATION AS EXISTING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE, THAT THE RETAINING WALL IS REPLACED WITH THE MATERIAL THAT MATCHES OR IS SIMILAR TO EXISTING BASED ON FINDING. 
          B. 
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THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          TWO, THAT THE RETAINING WALL PILLARS ARE REMOVED FROM THE DESIGN AND THAT THE REPLACEMENT RETAINING WALL MORE CLOSELY MATCHED THE DESIGN OF THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL BASED ON FINDING B. 
          THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          THREE, THAT THE REPLACEMENT RETAINING WALL DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET ABOVE GRADE AND THAT NO PORTION OF THE FENCE, INCLUDING THE GATE, EXCEEDS SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH D, THE APPLICANT MUST HAVE BEEN UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS WITH DIMENSIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          FOUR, THAT THE REPLACEMENT FENCE IS SIMPLIFIED TO MATCH THE EXISTING PERIMETER FENCING. 
          BASED ON FINDINGS C, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          AND FIVE, THAT THE GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14. 
          AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT PAUL FRANKLIN, AND PROPERTY OWNER DAVID GARRETT ON THE LINE. 
          PAUL AND DAVID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND COMMENT ON YOUR REQUEST AT THIS TIME? UH, SURE. 
          UM, HELLO ALL. 
          UH, THIS IS PAUL FRANKLIN ARCHITECT. 
          UM, IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT TO, UH, POINT OUT A FEW THINGS AND THEN I CAN HAND IT OVER TO THE HOMEOWNER, UH, DR. 
          DAVID GARRETT. 
          IS THAT OKAY? YES, SIR. 
          PLEASE PROCEED. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          THE FIRST THING IS THAT, UM, WE MET WITH THE MONTE VISTA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, AND THEY, UM, APPROVED AND RECOMMENDED THIS PROJECT AS IS EARLY. 
          UH, A QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE, UH, HEIGHT OF THE FENCE AT THE FRONT YARD AND, UM, WHAT QUALIFIES AS THE FRONT YARD. 
          UM, ONE POINT OF, UH, CLARIFICATION IS THAT THE FENCE THAT IS BEING REPLACED, UM, IS NOT HISTORIC. 
          UM, IT WAS BUILT ABOUT 18 YEARS AGO. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED NEW FENCE DESIGN RESPONDS TO THE DESIGN AND THE MATERIALS OF THE HOUSE, UH, SOME OF THE DETAILS, WHICH MAKES IT BETTER THAN THE FENCE THAT IS BEING REPLACED, UM, AND ALSO THE FENCE THAT FRONTS WEST ASHBY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES, OR THE, THE MAIN, UH, PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE, UM, WITH THE TRANSIENT, UH, HOPPING THE FENCE AND, UM, TRYING TO BREAK INTO THE, THE QUARTERS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, INTRODUCE, UM, DR. 
          DAVID GARRETT, WHO HAS BEEN THE HOMEOWNER THERE WITH HIS WIFE FOR OVER 20 YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          HELLO. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS DAVID GARRETT. 
          UM, THE, THERE WAS, THIS WAS A, PREVIOUSLY A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          AND SO THE SIDE AREA THAT ACCESS TO HOWARD STREET WAS, UH, BEING USED FOR CARS TO DRIVE UP AND PARK AND GO TO AN ACCOUNTING FIRM. 
          AND WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PLACE, WE HAD TO HAVE IT REZONED, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND SO, UH, ALSO THE, THIS HOUSE IS UNIQUE. 
          IT HAS A BASEMENT. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY DUG DOWN INTO THE YARD WHERE THIS FENCE GOES NOW, SO THAT WE COULD CHANNEL WATER THAT COMES OFF, UH, HOWARD STREET, UH, 'CAUSE IT WAS FLOODING OUR BASEMENT. 
          AND THE PREVIOUS DRIVEWAY THERE HAD SOME SORT OF A HISTORIC, LIKE HIGH CURB, BUT YET, UM, VERY NARROW. 
          AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THEY WERE PARKING CARS MAINLY ON GRAVEL WHERE WE'VE NOW PUT SOD. 
          SO THIS WHOLE CONCEPT CAME ABOUT FROM US JUST TRYING TO CONVERT THIS FROM A COMMERCIAL TO A RESIDENTIAL THING. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE SEEN EXAMPLES IN THE PAST OF JUST LOW LYING WROUGHT IRON FENCES FOR JUST SEPARATION OF JUST PASSERBYS TO SAY, YEAH, THIS IS OUR YARD. 
          AND DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T LET YOUR DOG CROSS OVER INTO IT. 
          BUT MAN, THE PAST 20 YEARS WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE BEEN INCREASINGLY JUST SORT OF INUNDATED, PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BY HOMELESS THAT ARE COMING UP HOWARD STREET TO GO TO THE, THERE'S A CHURCH UP THE ROAD THAT, UM, GIVES OUT FREE FOOD ON SATURDAY. 
          SO WE GET A, A CARAVAN OF HOMELESS COMING UP THROUGH THERE. 
          UH, ALSO WE'VE HAD THIS, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE JUMP THE FENCE, TRY AND BREAK IN. 
          THEY TEST OUR DOORS. 
          WE HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS INSTALLED WHERE WE CAN SEE THIS. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S VERY UNNERVING ALL DURING THE NIGHT. 
          WE SEE THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THIS STREET, ME AND MY, MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND US. 
          AND YET THERE ARE CARS GOING UP THIS THING AT TWO AND THREE IN THE MORNING DRIVING SLOWLY BY SO THEY CAN LOOK OVER OUR FENCE INTO MY GARAGE. 
          AND I MEAN, IT REALLY FEELS LIKE WE'RE 
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BEING CASED CONSTANTLY. 
          UH, THE OTHER NIGHT, YOU, YOU GOT A PICTURE, UH, CURRENTLY OF THE GATE AREA. 
          IT'S AN ELECTRONIC GATE. 
          IT, UH, WAS SET TO AN OPEN POSITION 'CAUSE MY BATTERY FAILED. 
          AND I THOUGHT, WELL, DO I REPAIR THIS GATE AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR DO I, DO I WAIT TILL IN THE MORNING? AND I THOUGHT, NAH, I CAN'T HAVE MY GATE OPEN ALL NIGHT. 
          GO TELL ME WHAT COMES IN. 
          SURE ENOUGH, AS SOON AS I'M OUT THERE, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THERE'S A HOMELESS GUY HARASSING ME, UH, WHERE I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE TO ESCORT HIM AWAY JUST SO I COULD, UH, JUST SO I COULD REPAIR MY GATE. 
          I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, HOW WEIRD IS THIS? IT'S JUST IN A FEW MINUTES OF, OF LETTING MY GUARD DOWN, BASICALLY, OF HAVING AN O UNOPENED, UH, OR AN OPENING TO MY, MY, MY FENCE THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE THE ARMY OF HOMELESS ARE JUST POURING IN. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY, UM, I MEAN IT'S AMAZING. 
          UH, SO ANYWAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FENCE THAT MEETS CODE AND, AND MEANING AS HIGH AS WE CAN GET TO MEET A CODE AND KEEP PEOPLE FROM OUT. 
          AND BECAUSE WE DUG DOWN TO LET SOME DRAINAGE IN THIS FENCE IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER, UM, IN IT'S RELATIVE ELEVATION TO THE, TO THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS OVER. 
          SO YOU CAN GET A GOOD ONE FOOT OF ELEVATION OVER OUR FOUR FOOT FENCE NOW JUST BY STANDING BACK A FEW FEET AND JUST HOPPING OVER. 
          AND AGAIN, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THIS, THIS WAS AN EXPENSIVE PROJECT TO GET THIS HOUSE TURNED FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          WE WERE CUTTING COSTS WHERE WE COULD. 
          SO THEN WE THOUGHT, WELL, NOW THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO JUST FOCUS ON FENCE, I WANT SOMETHING UGLY. 
          I WANT SOMETHING IN COMPARISON TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, UH, IN THIS VIEW, IN THE UPPER RIGHT THERE, THAT'S A HOUSE CALLED THE CHANDLER HOUSE. 
          IT'S JUST, UH, ONE STREET BEHIND US. 
          ON THE NEXT BLOCK, UH, FROM OUR HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE THE KOHLER HOUSE. 
          THE KOHLER HOUSE HAS A BRICK AND WROUGHT IRON FENCE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM US IS A HOUSE FOR GENERAL SAM HOUSTON'S GRANDDAUGHTER, I THINK WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, RESIDENT THERE. 
          AND THAT'S A CONCRETE, NOT COM, SORRY, THAT'S A BRICK COLUMN AND WROUGHT IRON FENCE ALSO. 
          IT'S VERY TALL, IT'S LIKE SEVEN FEET. 
          AND, UM, WE BASICALLY INSTALLED THIS, UH, FOR SECURITY ORIGINALLY. 
          AND THEN ALL MY NEIGHBORS FOLLOWED SUIT ON ASHBY. 
          AS SOON AS THEY SAW WE COULD PUT SORT OF A, 'CAUSE WE'RE RIGHT AT THE BORDER OF THE SOUTH BORDER OF MONTE VISTA. 
          ON THE OTHER SIDE IS, UH, UH, SAN ANTONIO COLLEGE AND BUS STOPS AND WHATNOT. 
          AND, AND THEN TRAFFIC GOING TO THE ST. 
          MARY'S, UM, NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S STRIP OF, UH, OF BARS AND THINGS. 
          SO WE GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC ALONG THERE. 
          AND AS SOON AS OUR FENCE UP WENT UP, OUR NEIGHBORS ALL THOUGHT, OH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TOO. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE ALL HAVING THAT PROBLEM OF RIGHT AT THIS END OF MONTE VISTA, WE WERE AT THE BORDER OF, OF JUST TRANSIENTS, UH, TRANSIENTS AND CRIMINALS. 
          UM, I'VE HAD ANOTHER ONE JUMP OUR FENCE JUST TO GET OUT 'CAUSE THE POLICE WERE CHASING HIM FROM THE HOUSE TWO HOUSES AWAY. 
          AND I THINK HE COULD SEE THAT OUR FENCE WAS NICE AND LOW. 
          AND SO HE HID UH, HE TRIED TO BREAK IN OUR GARAGE TO HIDE OUT. 
          THEN WHEN HE COULDN'T DO THAT, HE, HE JUMPED OVER OUR FENCE TO LEAVE. 
          AND IT'S JUST, UH, IT JUST, IT'S WEIRD HOW THIS ONE SECTION OF LOW FENCING JUST SEEMS LIKE IT ALLOWS LIKE A SPILLWAY OF A DAM  TO JUST LET THE ARMY OF HOMELESS THROUGH. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AGAIN, THIS FENCE IS, LOOKS, I'M KIND OF PROUD THAT THEY THINK IT'S A HISTORIC FENCE BECAUSE MY WIFE AND CHARLES SCHUBERT, OUR ARCHITECT, DESIGNED IT. 
          AND SO THAT, I MEAN, IF IT LOOKS HISTORIC, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE, UM, MY WIFE AND CHARLES LOOKED LONG AND HARD AT HOW TO MAKE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK AS NICE AS POSSIBLE, BUT I'M AFRAID, UM, IT'S JUST TOO LOW. 
          AND, UH, THE OTHER FENCES REALLY ON OUR BLOCK ARE MORE CONCRETE AND IRON AND, AND ROD IRON. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING DESIGN ELEMENTS OF OUR HOUSE. 
          UH, THE, THE LITTLE OG TYPE CURVE, UM, AT THE TOP OF THE FENCE IS ECHOED ALL OVER OUR PORCH, UM, UH, IN OUR PORTICO SHARE AND EVEN OUR SECOND FLOOR RAILING. 
          AND EVERY TIME I'VE EVEN, I'VE GOT A RAILING EVEN AROUND MY, UH, AIR CONDITIONER AND I'VE MADE THE CARPENTER REPLICATE THAT KIND OF CURVING OG TYPE, UM, THAT'S THE CORRECT WORD. 
          IT'S THE HALF OF A, OF A, OF AN ELLIPSE OR, UM, OR SO, UH, THAT, THAT KIND OF FINISHES THESE OUT. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO SAY, WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, LET'S MAKE IT FIT WITH THE HOUSE. 
          LET'S MAKE IT FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND, UM, UH, THOUGHT WE HAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, I AM GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF, OF THE PROPOSAL. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S, UH, OFFENSE DESIGN BEFITTING THE DIGNITY OF THE, OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND I, I THINK THE OWNER FOR THEIR INVESTMENT AND, AND RETURNING THIS TO BEING A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, SINCE SO MANY OF THE GRAND HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN GOBBLED UP AND BECOME ATTORNEY'S OFFICES. 
          SO I I THANK 
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YOU FOR THAT. 
          MY, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, UM, AT SOME POINT THE RELATIVE HEIGHT TO THE STREET, UH, TO, TO A PEDESTRIAN IF IT, IF IT BECOMES A LITTLE, UH, EXCESSIVE FROM WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY APPROVE. 
          AND, AND SO I LOOK AT THE WEST ELEVATION, UH, THE NEW FENCE ALONG HOWARD STREET. 
          I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE AT ONE OF THE, UM, LET'S SEE, YOU GO FROM THE, FROM THE GATE AND, AND GO THREE PILLARS OVER, IF THAT'S A PLACE WHERE THE ELEVATION COULD SHIFT DOWN SO THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THE GATE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAINTAINING SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO WHAT YOU HAVE AT THE, AT THE LARGE DRIVEWAY GATE FURTHER TO THE LEFT OF THAT DRAWING. 
          UM, AND, AND STILL KEEP A, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE FENCE FEELING CONSISTENT, BUT JUST ALLOW IT TO KIND OF FRACTURE AT THAT POINT SO THAT BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IMAGE, IT'S NOT NEARLY EIGHT FEET, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAINTAINS SOMETHING CLOSE TO, TO THE SIX FEET. 
          IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR, UM, BOTH THE OWNER AND THE, AND THE ARCHITECT'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE ABILITY TO MAYBE, UH, STAGGER OR SHIFT DOWN THE HEIGHT IN, IN THAT MATTER. 
          THIS, THIS IS DAVID GARRETT. 
          UH, WE, UH, PAULA, UH, IT'S OKAY. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, VISUALLY, WHERE DO YOU MAKE THE BREAK? BECAUSE IF YOU STAND AT ASHBY STREET, WHICH IS WHERE HOWARD, UH, INTERSECTS THE HEIGHT OF THE RETAINING WALL THERE INSTALLED BY THE CITY FOR DRAINAGE FOR ASHBY STREET IS ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET. 
          AND THEN OUR FENCE IS ABOUT FOUR FEET. 
          SO IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE FROM THE FRONT AND IMPOSING FORT KNOX, UH, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM THE, THE, THE WAY THE, THE EXISTING, UH, DROP OFF OF LAND OCCURS RIGHT THERE. 
          AND SO THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE SIDE, UH, WHAT WE'VE DRAWN DOESN'T REALLY LOOK OUT. 
          IN FACT, IT LOOKS BETTER THAN, THAN WHAT'S THERE ORIGINALLY NOW, UH, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD TO DO BASED ON, UH, THE CITY'S NEED TO KEEP DRAINAGE AND, AND, UM, AND WHATNOT FOR THEIR RETAINING WALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GRADE ON THE HOUSE SIDE OF THE FENCE IS SHOWN DASHED ON THAT, UH, WEST ELEVATION DRAWING. 
          SO DRAWING, WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE, UM, SOME OF THE SOIL, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT, IT MEETS THE, UM, LOWER GATE, THE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO THE PORT CASHIER. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, POINTING THAT OUT TO US. 
          THE, THE DASH LINE OF THE, OF THE LINE OF THE EXISTING GRADE. 
          UM, I, I'M GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS. 
          UH, I THINK IT IS, UH, AN ATTRACTIVE IMPROVEMENT. 
          UM, IT TAKES CUES FROM THE EXISTING HOUSE, USES THE MASONRY AND, AND WROUGHT IRON IN A, I THINK, AN APPROPRIATE AND AN AUTHENTIC WAY. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF IT AS WELL. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I'M GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST. 
          THE ONE AREA I GUESS I HAVE OF CONCERN IS, IS THERE A, A, I'M, I'M MORE CONCERNED AS THIS THING REALLY APPROACHES THE CORNER AND ON ASHBY AND HOW THAT TIES INTO THE OTHER FENCES IF IT WERE TO BE, UM, CONTINUED IN THE FUTURE. 
          I THINK IF THAT'S CONTINUED IN THE FUTURE, IT, IT WOULD NEED TO STEP DOWN PAST THAT DRIVEWAY GATE AS IT APPROACHES THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS DRAWING, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ASHBY AND TURNS THE CORNER ALONG ASHBY. 
          SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE PROPOSAL ABOUT WHERE IT IS, BUT THIS IDEA CARRIED AROUND THE CORNER, UH, WITH A TWO FOOT ADDITION TO THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING FENCE, I WOULD HAVE CONCERN WITH. 
          SO YEAH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          THAT, UM, LOOKING AT OTHER PROPERTIES UP AND DOWN ASHBY THAT HAVE, UH, FENCING THEY SENT, THEY TEND TO STEP DOWN, UH, AT THE COLUMNS AS THE GRADE SLOPES SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP WITH SOMETHING QUITE SO TALL. 
          UM, SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AS, AS LONG AS THE, UH, BASED ON STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT THE, THE HEIGHT AS IT STEPS DOWN TOWARDS ASHBY IS NO HIGHER THAN SIX FEET, 
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SIX FEET ON THE OUTSIDE OR ON THE STREET SIDE, SIX FEET AS YOU'RE WALKING ALONG, WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY A SIDEWALK THERE, BUT I'LL SAY IT'S LIKE, LET'S SAY OF THE GRADE OF THE ROAD, THE ROAD, LIKE I SAY, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE, WE DUG DOWN SO THAT WE COULD PREVENT. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WATER RUNS FROM, UH, HOWARD STREET THROUGH MY DRIVEWAY, OUT THE PORTICO SHARE. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS, AT THE TIME, THAT SEEMED TO BE THE ONLY WAY WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP ALL THE WATER FROM THAT HILLSIDE FROM FLOODING MY, MY BASEMENT. 
          AND SO CHARLES SCHUBERT, OUR ARCHITECT GREW IT WHERE WE SORT OF, I GUESS THE WORD SWALE WHERE WE HAVE THE, UM, THE EXISTING FENCE DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A HOLE CUT INTO THE CONCRETE OF IT TO HELP ADDITIONAL WATER, UH, MAKE ITS WAY OUT. 
          BECAUSE THE STREET, HOWARD STREET RUNOFF, AND THAT COMES FROM FRENCH STREET AND WHATNOT, RUNS RIGHT THROUGH MY DRIVEWAY. 
          IT DOESN'T RUN DOWN THE STREET . 
          SO WE DID THIS QUARTER OUT. 
          SO THEN I WOULD SAY FROM THE NO HIGHER THAN SIX FEET FROM THE EXISTING GRADE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE, I COULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE GOT A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE DRAWING, THE WEST ELEVATION ALONG HOWARD AND THE, THE, THE LINE THAT'S DEMARKED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GRADE LINE ON HOUSE SIDE OF FENCE, AND YOU'RE SHOWING THAT THE TOP OF THIS FENCE IS FOUR FEET AGAINST THE GRADE LINE ON THE INSIDE OF THE YARD. 
          WHAT IS THE, IS THE KIND OF THE HISTORIC POSITION OF THE LAWN LOWER THAN THAT? OR WAS THAT RAISED TO DEAL WITH THIS SWALE AND DRAINAGE ISSUE? THERE WAS A TREE THAT WAS THERE. 
          AND SO IT'S ROOTS WERE ONE OF THESE KIND OF OAKS THAT, UM, THAT JUST PUSHED ITS ROOT SYSTEM UPWARD. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT RAISED THE GRADE RIGHT THERE AT THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PORTICO SHARE, IT WOULD BE TO YOUR RIGHT. 
          UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S ELEVATED THERE. 
          SO THE GROUND LINE DOWN THE NATURAL GRADE, ASIDE FROM THE TREE ROOTS, IS THAT MORE CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE STREET LINE OR IS IT STILL SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE STREET EDGE? STREET EDGE? I THINK PART OF THAT IS BASICALLY ON A HILL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON A HILL. 
          AND SO THE, THE DRIVE THAT LEADS TO THE POOR CASHIER IS CUTTING INTO THAT HILL AND CREATING, UH, A GRADE SEPARATION, UH, YOU KNOW, PRONOUNCED GRADE SEPARATION IN THAT CASE. 
          UM, I, I THINK FOLLOWING UP ON, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH'S COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS, BUT I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CONTINUING ON AROUND THE CORNER IF THAT'S, UH, SEEN AS, AS A PHASE TWO TO THIS OR NOT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE, THE HOWARD STREET FRONTAGE, CORRECT? YES. 
          UH, YES. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S A WAY WE COULD CHANGE THE FRONT BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING, UH, RETAINING WALL THAT THE CITY HAD PUT THERE ADJACENT TO THE SIDEWALK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, I MEAN, YEAH, IDEALLY IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND, BUT IT, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S, I DON'T SEE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S NOT SOME MAJOR, UH, RECONSTRUCTION ALONG ASH ASHBY THAT AGAIN, THAT WAS DONE. 
          UH, I, I ASSUMED THAT WHEN THE SEWERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WERE PUT IN ON, ON ASHBY, UM, I, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD, UH, MAKE A MOTION, UH, SEE IF IT HAS SUPPORT WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. 
          I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          FISH. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          ERON? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRO. 
          AYE. 
          ZER NAY. 
          LA AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM 20. 
          EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          AGENDA 
          [20. 21-5044 Address/Description: 911 BURLESON ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-352 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Lonnie Sanchez Request: Exterior modifications, fenestration modifications, window removal and replacement, construction of a rear addition, siding replacement, door replacement City Council Dist.: 2]
ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 3 52 9 11 BURLESON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE ALL EXISTING WOOD SIDING. 
          TWO, REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS THREE, PERFORM EXTERIOR AND FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, INCLUDING THE 
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CONVERSION OF TWO WINDOW OPENINGS UNDER THE FRONT GABLE TO ONE REMOVAL OF ONE WINDOW UNDER THE WEST SIDE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE WEST FACING SIDE ROOF GABLE AND THE REMOVAL OF ONE WINDOW ON THE EAST SIDE. 
          FOUR. 
          REMOVE THE STREET FACING FRONT DOOR. 
          FIVE, INSTALL A NEW FRONT DOOR IN THE SIDE FACING DOOR OPENING. 
          SIX. 
          INSTALL A NEW SHINGLE ROOF AND SEVEN CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REPLACEMENT OF ALL ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING BASED ON FINDING C SINCE ALL ORIGINAL SIDING HAS BEEN REMOVED AND DISCARDED. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT SIDING THAT FEATURE A MATCHING PROFILE BE INSTALLED. 
          TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING FENESTRATION BASED ON FINDING. 
          C. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS BE MAINTAINED AS THEY ORIGINALLY EXISTED BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE. 
          FOUR. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          FRONT DOOR REMOVAL BASED ON FINDING F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT BOTH FRONT DOOR OPENINGS REMAIN AS THEY ORIGINALLY EXISTED BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE. 
          FIVE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF A CRAFTSMAN STYLE DOOR BASED ON FINDING GENE STAFF. 
          REC STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT A DOOR STYLE APPROPRIATELY FOR THE FOLK VICTOR STYLE BE INSTALLED. 
          THE DOOR SHALL BE WOOD AND SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY O H P STAFF PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. 
          SIX STAFF DOES NOT, EXCUSE ME, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING H THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ROOF FORMS SHALL NOT BE MODIFIED. 
          THIS IS TO INCLUDE ALL GABLE, INCLUDE ALL GABLE FORMS FOR THE PORCH ROOF'S, HIP FORM, AND ALL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS I THROUGH L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE SIDING ON THE REAR DE ADDITION FEATURE AND EXPOSURE AND PROFILE THAT MATCHES THAT WHICH IS INSTALLED ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          IF WOOD, IF COMPOSITE SIDING IS INSTALLED, IT SHOULD FEATURE A FOUR INCH PROFILE IN THE SMOOTH FINISH PROFILE. 
          ONE 17 SIDING SHOULD NOT BE INSTALLED ON THE REAR ADDITION UNLESS APPROVED ON THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE BY THE COMMISSION. 
          TWO, THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED SHED ROOF PORTION OF THE REAR ADDITION BE LIMITED TO WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE NORTH ELEVATION AND THAT THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATION DRAWINGS BE UPDATED TO REFLECT A LOWER PROFILE SHED ROOF THAT MATCHES THE NORTH ELEVATION. 
          THREE. 
          THAT THE ADDITION FEATURED TRANSITION PIECE AT THE CONNECTION WITH THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          FOUR, THAT THE ADDITIONS WINDOWS MATCH THOSE INSTALLED IN THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE WOOD THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS. 
          UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES THE STIPULATIONS I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. LONNIE SANCHEZ ON THE LINE NOW. 
          HELLO. 
          UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME, UH, TO REVIEW MY APPLICATION. 
          UH, MY NAME IS LONNIE SANCHEZ, UH, WITH ITS END CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, EXCEPT NUMBER THREE. 
          UM, AND IT'S MORE OF A PER UH, REQUEST, UM, TO ALTERNATE THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW FROM A DOUBLE WINDOW TO A SINGLE PICTURE WINDOW. 
          UM, REASONING JUST, UH, FOR CUSTOMER, UH, TO THE CUSTOMER'S REALLY ADAMANT ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE A PICTURE WINDOW TO BE ABLE TO SEE OUT TO THE STREET AND TO BE ABLE TO SEE INTO THE HOME A LITTLE BETTER. 
          UM, BUT YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DO. 
          UH, LET ME SEND THIS IMAGE FOR YOU REAL QUICK. 
          UM, YES, THIS COMES FROM OUR GROUP OF, UH, DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WE ALSO APPRECIATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THREE INCH TONGUE GROOVE, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M IN THE WRONG ONE. 
          UM, WE SUPPORT STAFF AND RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT PAY ALL FINES, LATE APPLICATION FEES. 
          AND TAKE A NOTE. 
          WE MADE THAT THE APPLICANT'S FILE BE TO DENY HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE ALSO STRONGLY RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT LOCATE AND USE RECLAIM SIDING, TRIM, WINDOWS, DOORS, AND CLOSELY MATCH THAT HAS BEEN DESTROYED AND THAT THE REPLACEMENT MATERIAL WILL BE APPROVED BY THE H C R C. 
          UM, THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY IN THE SECOND HISTORIC COMMENT ON TODAY'S AGENDA THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY STRIPPED OF ITS VISIBLE HISTORIC ELEMENTS. 
          NOW IS THE TIME TO ENCOURAGE FUTURE REHABS TO BE DONE CORRECTLY. 
          AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH YOU, MR. SANCHEZ, THAT YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          UH, AND YOU'RE ASKING US TO CONSIDER, UH, NUMBER THREE, CORRECT? 
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YES, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, FROM TIME TO TIME WE SEE REQUESTS FOR FENESTRATION CHANGES THAT, THAT DEAL WITH SOME COMPLEX ISSUES. 
          TO ME, THIS REALLY ISN'T A, A COMPLEX ISSUE. 
          AND MY OPINION ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, I THINK THE REQUEST AS, AS SUBMITTED RADICALLY CHANGES THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THE FENESTRATION SIZE AND OPENINGS ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. 
          SO I FULLY AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS HERE. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOVE. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. 
          I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, IF THE APPLICANT, UM, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION OF COURSE. 
          UM, BUT IF THE APPLICANT FEELS THAT WE NEED TO SEE IT MORE IN PERSON TO GET AN IDEA AND BE OPEN TO A SITE VISIT FUTURE, BUT I ALSO CONCUR WITH THAT COMMISSIONER FISH AND I'LL STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. 
          ALL STIPULATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          ALL SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          FISH. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          ERON? AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          LISTEN. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR NEXT IS ITEM 21. 
          RACHEL, GO AHEAD. 
          YES. 
          AGENDA, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21 
          [21. 21-5064 Address/Description: 411 DEVINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-338 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Timothy Saenz Request: Skirting modifications City Council Dist.: 1]
H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 3 8 4 11 DIVINE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING FLASHING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE HOUSE AND INSTALL STUCCO SKIRTING ONE FOOT BELOW THE GRADE TO EXTEND 16 INCHES ABOVE THE GRADE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE STUCCO SKIRTING INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B. 
          THE INSTALLATION OF SKIRTING TO MATCH THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING OR A CEMENT BOARD PRODUCT THAT MIMICS THE APPEARANCE OF EXISTING SIDING WITH A SMOOTH FINISH IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          AND THE APPLICANT'S TIMOTHY SZ IS ON THE LINE. 
          TIMOTHY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR REQUEST AT THIS TIME? UH, YES. 
          UM, UH, HELLO? UM, MY NAME'S TIMOTHY S UH, I LIVE AT FOUR 11 DIVINE STREET. 
          UH, WE'VE, UH, RESIDED HERE FOR, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT 25 YEARS. 
          UH, 20, UH, OVER 20 YEARS AGO WE HAD THE FOUNDATION DONE AND, UH, WE PUT METAL SKIRTING AROUND OUR HOUSE. 
          UH, WATER GOT IN AND THE HOUSE ACTUALLY SUNK. 
          WE HAD EVERY BIT OF, AT LEAST 12 INCHES AFTER WE'D DONE THE HOUSE. 
          NOW THE HOUSE, UH, THE, THE SKIRTING WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE SUNK. 
          SO, UH, WE WENT AHEAD AND, UH, UH, HAD A CONTRACTOR COME IN AND WE WERE, WE WERE OF THE IMPRESSION WHEN WE SIGNED, WE, WHEN WE, UH, REQUESTED A, UH, CERTIFICATE FOR OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT, AND ONCE I GAVE THEM THE, THE INFORMATION, THE DRAWING, UM, WE HAD, I TALKED ABOUT 16 INCHES, BUT THEN, UH, WE, WE AGREED WITH THE CONTRACTOR, UH, ON 12 INCHES. 
          THE ENGINEER AND THE CONTRACTOR, THEY, AND THEY WENT AHEAD AND, AND THEY, UH, THEY PUT THE SKIRTS IN AT, AT 12 INCHES. 
          WHEN WE FINISH WITH THE SIDE, WITH THE HOUSE ON THE SIDE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS, THE, AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA ADD CONCRETE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE, THE SIDE OF THE, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY SHOWS IF WE WERE TO PUT, PUT THE, THE SIDING ANY LOWER THAN THE CONCRETE THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT WOULD GO ONTO THE, ONTO THE, THE WOOD. 
          SO I HAVE PICTURES OF THE EXISTING, I WAS, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS OKAY TO START THE JOB. 
          SO THEY, UH, IN FACT, THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN THE SKIRTS AND THEY'VE ALREADY FINISHED, UH, LEVELING THE HOUSE. 
          WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE ENGINEER TO COME AND, AND CHECK THE LEVEL OF THE HOUSE TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL DONE. 
          THIS IS AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE HOUSE, NOT THE FRONT. 
          THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE HAS METAL. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN 
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METAL. 
          UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE PICTURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS THE BACK. 
          THAT'S THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          UH, THAT'S THE SIDE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE CONCRETE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S THE ELEVATION. 
          THAT'S THE ELEVATION WHERE IT, IT'LL ACTUALLY BE ONE BOARD HIGHER THAN THAT, THAT THAT'LL MAKE IT 12 INCHES OFF THE CONCRETE. 
          THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE WAS, UH, A PICTURE OF, OF AN EXAMPLE THAT I WAS, UH, UH, ATTEMPTING TO, TO TRY TO SHOW WHAT IT WAS I WAS TRYING TO DO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT'S A PICTURE OF WHAT I WAS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO DO. 
          I I WANTED IT TO GO 24 INCHES, BUT THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD ONLY ALLOW, UH, UH, SOMETHING SMALLER OR, OR, OR EIGHT INCHES, OR SIX INCHES AND SIX INCHES OR EIGHT INCHES WOULD WOULD IN TURN, UH, IF WE WERE PUT MY VENT, THE WATER, WHEN IT RAINED ON THE CONCRETE, IT WOULD END UP GOING INTO THE, INTO WHERE MY VENTS ARE. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE PICTURES OF IT COMPLETED, BUT THEY TOLD ME THAT, UM, I WASN'T ALLOWED TO ADD PICTURES. 
          UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED THAT THE IMAGES WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE NOT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND IT'S A COMPLIANCE ISSUE. 
          AND WE HAVE IMAGES OF THE WORK WITH THE, WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BELIEVE A 12 INCH SKIRT REQUEST. 
          YEP. 
          THAT, THAT ONE THERE, THAT, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER HOUSE THAT I SAW THAT, UM, THAT WAS, I WAS TRYING TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT WAS I WAS GONNA, I WAS SHOOTING FOR. 
          THAT'S NOT MY HOUSE. 
          WHAT, WHAT PHOTOGRAPHS IN HERE OF THE, OF YOUR HOUSE? WE HAVE THOSE NOW. 
          IT'S, IT'S SLIDES 10 THROUGH 16. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH THEM NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FROM THIS LEVEL, YOU'RE REQUESTING GO, GO BACK ONE FOR ME, COREY, JUST TO HELP ME WITH THAT QUESTION. 
          SO RIGHT NOW THE SIDING IS COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO JUST A FEW INCHES ABOVE THE DRIVEWAY. 
          AND YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT STUCCO EXTEND TO 12 INCHES ABOVE THAT EXISTING CONCRETE Y Y YES, SIR. 
          AND 12 INCHES. 
          AND THAT'S SO THAT THE WATER, BECAUSE I'M GONNA ADD A A, UM, I'M GONNA ADD A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK FROM THE FRONT OF MY HOUSE TO THE BACK. 
          AND IF I GO, ANY, IF I GO ANY LOWER WITH MY SIDING, THAT THAT PICTURE IS DECEIVING, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT OF MY HOUSE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OH, IF Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT THE SAME PICTURES, NO, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE OTHER ONE THAT SHOWS THE DRIVEWAY. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A SLIGHT DELAY, SIR. 
          UM, WE GOT THAT ONE THERE. 
          THAT ONE THERE, YEAH. 
          SO WE, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS ONE FOR, FOR ABOUT 10 OR 15 SECONDS. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          'CAUSE I WAS, LOOK, IT'S, IT'S SHOWING SOMETHING ELSE. 
          YOU SEE HOW THE WATER IS DAMAGING THE, THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE? SO IF I RUN MY SKIRTS 12 INCHES AND THEN I RUN MY SIDING, IT WON'T DO THAT TO MY, IT WON'T DAMAGE MY, MY, UH, MY SIDING. 
          OKAY. 
          MY ONE 17 SIDING. 
          I THINK I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL, BUT I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT YOUR REQUEST. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF, OF CONCERN. 
          IS THE 12 INCHES ABOVE THIS EXISTING CONCRETE SLAB, IS THAT THE 12 INCH REQUEST? ARE YOU GOING TO ADD ANOTHER SIX INCHES ON TOP OF THIS AND THEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR 12 INCHES ABOVE THAT? OH, NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          NO. 
          UH, IT, IT'LL BE 12 INCHES ABOVE THE, THE CONCRETE GRADE, BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CONCRETE THERE'S DIRT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT GOES LOWER. 
          SO IT'LL BE 12 INCHES OF CONCRETE. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN MY VENTS, MY VENT WILL SIT. 
          NOW MY, THE SIDING THAT I'M GONNA HAVE TO, UH, PURCHASE WILL GO, WILL GO, UH, UP TO MY, MY VENT AND THEN CONTINUE ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S, I DON'T HAVE MUCH ROOM. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK I FOLLOW, BUT IT'S 16 TOTAL, RIGHT? I BEG YOUR PARDON? COMMISSIONER OF FISH WILL BE 16 TOTAL. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          THE, THE, THE TOTAL WILL BE, THE TOTAL WILL BE, UH, 12 INCHES FROM THE CONCRETE. 
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YEAH. 
          AND THE CONCRETE ALREADY IS, SO IT'D BE, THE CONCRETE IS HOW MUCH? THREE, FOUR INCHES. 
          UH, ACCORDING TO THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, IT'S ABOUT, UH, IT'S ABOUT, OH, I'M GONNA SAY EIGHT INCHES RIGHT THERE. 
          I, I THINK I, COMMISSIONER I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT THE REQUEST IS 12 INCH ABOVE THAT EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. 
          AND THEN THE, THE, THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THERE ISN'T CONCRETE, WHERE IT'S PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT LOWER. 
          AND IF YOU MEASURE THERE, THE REQUEST MIGHT BE HIGHER. 
          I MEAN, MY CONCERN WAS THAT THE GRADE WAS GONNA BE BUILT UP HIGHER THAN IT IS WITH THE ADDITION OF A NEW DRIVEWAY OVER THE TOP, WHICH KIND OF CREEPED THIS UP. 
          I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE 12 INCH REQUEST ABOVE THAT EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH I BELIEVE THE DOCUMENTS IN HERE SUPPORT. 
          BUT I, I, WELL, COMMISSIONER  WAS JUST VISITING A PROPERTY LAST WEEK ON A D R C WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, UH, ASKING THE APPLICANT TO REMOVE THE STUCCO THAT WAS PLACED THERE. 
          AND THE APPLICANT HAS FOUND OUT THAT THE, UH, THE BOARD CEMENT BOARD PRODUCT ACTUALLY ALSO WORKS, UH, VERY WELL. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS THE MATERIAL. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO MAKE THE SAME SUGGESTION AS COMMISSIONER GROVE JUST DID BECAUSE WE WERE ON SITE, UH, AT THE LOTUS PROPERTY AND THAT VERY DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE. 
          I'M WONDERING IF, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE STUCCO IS ALREADY INSTALLED AND YOU GUYS ARE JUST ABOUT READY TO WRAP UP THIS PROJECT. 
          IS THERE THE POSSIBILITY TO PUT A CEMENT, UH, CEMENTITIOUS BOARD, LIKE A HARDY MATERIAL ON TOP OF THE, THE STUCCO SO YOU'RE NOT TEARING ANYTHING OUT, BUT THAT YOU'RE AT LEAST GETTING THE APPEARANCE OF THAT, OF THE, OF THE SIDING COMING DOWN TO THAT LEVEL, BUT IT'S WITH A DURABLE MATERIAL THAT WILL NOT WRITE OUT ON YOU? UH, ARE, ARE YOU ASKING ME? YES. 
          I'M ASKING IF THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, UH, TO TRY TO SELL? OKAY. 
          WELL, WELL WHAT, WHAT, UM, MY, MY ONLY CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS THE FACT THAT, UH, THE STUCCO, THAT THAT IS ON THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, IF, IF I, IF THERE'S, IF THERE WAS ANY WAY I COULD SEND YOU A PICTURE OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT IS, THE MOCK-UP THAT I PUT THAT WOULD SHOW, UM, FROM THE GRADE OF THE CONCRETE, IT WOULD COME UP 12 INCHES TO THE FIRST BOARD. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, AND THE ONLY REASON I WANNA DO THAT IS BECAUSE I WANNA, I, I WANT TO, UH, I JUST DON'T WANT MY WOOD TO ROT. 
          NOW, I COULD, I COULD, UH, PURCHASE, UH, A CONCRETE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR AESTHETICS. 
          I COULD PUT ONE THERE. 
          UH, BUT, BUT I THINK THAT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT, THAT, UH, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IN ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE GETTING REDONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT, THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN SOLD AND, AND THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN SOLD IN THE LAST YEAR, THEY HAVE UP TO 24 INCHES, 20 AND 24 INCHES OF, OF STUCCO. 
          AND ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS 12 INCHES. 
          UM, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WHEN YOU FIRST LOOK AT THE PICTURE, IT WAS ONLY SIX INCHES OFF THE, OFF THE CONCRETE. 
          AND YOU NOTICE HOW DAMAGED IT WAS. 
          THE HOUSE SUNK DOWN SIX INCHES OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. 
          UH, THE LA BEFORE, UH, THE LAST TIME I FINISHED IT, I HAD PUT METAL ALL THE WAY AROUND MY HOUSE, AND THAT'S WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING. 
          IT DIDN'T KEEP THE WATER OUT. 
          AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, IT SUNK DOWN. 
          THAT'S WHY IT APPEARS LIKE IT'S, IT'S SO LOW, BUT IT, IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T THAT LOW BEFORE. 
          I, I TRIED TO EXPLAIN THAT TO SOMEONE BEFORE, BUT, UM, I, I, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I'M, I'M ASKING IF, IF, UH, 12 INCHES WITH ALL THE WORK THAT I'M DOING TO THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE, I'M, I'M CAN'T START ANYTHING UNTIL THE FOUNDATION IS RIGHT. 
          BUT WITH EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SPEND ON THE HOUSE TO GET THE HOUSE READY, UH, I, IT'S, AND I STILL GOTTA PUT A, A, A ROOF ON THE HOUSE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A METAL ROOF ON THE HOUSE. 
          AND THEN PILLARS, I'VE ALREADY GOT, UH, PROBABLY A HUNDRED YEAR OLD PILLARS, UH, FLUTED PILLARS THAT I WANNA PUT ON MY PORT TO REPLACE THE FOUR BY FOURS THAT I HAVE THERE. 
          I'M PUTTING A SIZABLE AMOUNT OF, OF, OF MONEY TRYING TO 
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REFURBISH THE HOUSE AND GET IT BACK UP TO, UM, TO HOW IT LOOKED A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. 
          THEY'RE SAYING MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN, UH, 1926. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY BORN, UH, BUILT IN, IN 1875. 
          WE, I MET A LADY THAT LIVED HERE, UH, IN THE, IN THE THIRTIES, AND SHE TOLD ME THAT HER FAMILY BOUGHT IT FROM SOMEONE. 
          AND I'M TRYING TO BRING IT BACK UP TO, UH, UP TO THE ORIGINAL LOOK, THE HISTORIC LOOK. 
          BUT, UH, SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER. 
          ANY, ANY OF ANY OF THE WOOD THAT I PUT DOWN THERE, ANYTHING LESS CLOSER TO 12 INCHES IS GONNA ROT. 
          OKAY. 
          LET ME, LET ME, LET ME BREAK IN HERE BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE SOME OTHER CASES WE NEED TO MOVE ON WITH. 
          BUT LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY WHAT I WAS ADVOCATING. 
          I WAS ADVOCATING THAT YOU LEAVE IT AS IS YOU, YOU GET THE 12 INCHES OF, OF STUCCO. 
          BUT IS THERE THE POSSIBILITY THAT OVER THE STUCCO YOU COULD PLACE A, UH, LIKE A HARDY CEMENT BOARD THAT GIVES THE APPEARANCE OF IT, LIKE THE SIDING ABOVE, BUT IS DURABLE AND DOES NOT ROT? UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU MEAN THE SAME WITH THE NUMBER ONE 17, UH, APPEARANCE, THE ONE 17 WITH A RADIUS ON IT, THE TEARDROP RADIUS? UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SELL ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          NO, NO, NOT NECESSARILY, BUT I'M JUST SAYING SO THAT YOU GET SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A LAPSE SIDING THAT GOES OVER IT. 
          BECAUSE THE, THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE, UM, AND I THINK THE REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT STUCCOING THE BASES IS THAT THEY BEGIN TO LOOK LIKE THE HOUSE IS A SLAB ON GRADE. 
          IT CHANGES THE VISUAL CHARACTER AND APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR IS, IS THERE A POSSIBLE COMPROMISE HERE WHERE YOU RETAIN THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU KEEP THE NICE DURABLE STUCCO, YOU KNOW, WATER, WATER RESISTIVE AREA, AREA BAND GOING THROUGH THERE, BUT THEN YOU PUT A LAP SIDING ON TOP OF THAT MADE OF HARDY BLANK MATERIALS SO THAT IT DOES NOT ROT, BUT GIVES THE VISUAL APPEARANCE OF BETA SIDING. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, I THINK THAT SOUNDS VERY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A MOTION WITH THE STIPULATION AND THEN, UM, IF HE, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION, HE CAN PROBABLY TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I WAS HOPING TO GET SOME KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT RECOGNI RECOGNITION FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DOABLE GIVEN THE, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON THE SCREEN. 
          WE DO HAVE AN EXAMPLE WE'VE USED BEFORE WHERE, UH, PARTY SIDING IS INSTALLED IN THE KIND OF LAP, UH, APPEARANCE, UM, IN LIEU OF STUCCO. 
          UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE DOUBLING UP TO DO STUCCO WITH THIS ON TOP. 
          UM, HE COULD SAVE MONEY AND MATERIALS JUST TO INSTALL THE, THE HARDING THIS WAY. 
          BUT I WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STUCCO WAS ALREADY INSTALLED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THIS WASN'T A SIR Y YES IT IS. 
          IT'S, IT IS ALREADY INSTALLED. 
          OKAY. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          SO IN, SINCE IT'S ALREADY INSTALLED, I'M ADVOCATING INSTEAD OF THEM GOING IN AND RIPPING THAT OUT AND CREATING THE DETAIL THAT YOU'RE SHOWING THERE, THEY, THEY SOMEHOW, UH, APPLY. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY A FEW PLANKS OF, OF THE HARDY THAT WOULD GO ON TOP OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE WOULD I, WHERE WOULD, WHERE WOULD THEY  IF FOLLOWED THIS DETAIL? YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE INCREASE THE DEPTH OF THE WATER TABLE. 
          YEP. 
          BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, AN ADDITIONAL THICKNESS OF THE STUCCO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, THE STUCCO SKIRTING WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT, THE, UH, CONCEALED WITH ELAPSE SIDING, PREFERABLY OF THE CEMENT, CEMENT, CEMENTITIOUS REINFORCED CEMENTITIOUS MATERIAL SUCH AS HARDY, UM, TO ATTAIN, UH, THE VISUAL APPEARANCE CONSISTENT WITH THE PERIOD OF THE HOUSE. 
          WHO IMMED THAT ONE? I THINK WE GOT IT. 
          DO WE HAVE A MO SECOND? I SECOND. 
          LIFO. 
          HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          FISH. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          ERON? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          CREW? AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE LI AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST TO NOTE MR. SZ THAT ANY MODIFICATION, ANY ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS TO YOUR HOUSE ON THE EXTERIOR, INCLUDING THE DRIVEWAY, PLEASE WORK WITH, UH, 
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OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY CAN APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY AND WHAT MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO ANY ADDITIONAL WORK TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE THE STAFF COULD GET WITH MR. SANZ ON THAT, PLEASE. 
          OF COURSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, EDWARD, DO YOU HAVE ITEM NUMBER 22? AGENDA ITEM 
          [22. 21-5016 Address/Description: 822 N PINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-365 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: lance Lubke/All Living Trust Request: Installation of 1x6 porch decking City Council Dist.: 2]
NUMBER 22 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 365 8 22 NORTH PINE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL PORCH DECKING WITH NEW PORCH DECKING. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ONE BY 12 PORCH DECKING WITH ONE BY SIX PORCH DECKING. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PORCH DECKING THAT FEATURES A ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROUP PROFILE AND THAT ALL DECKY IS INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE. 
          I HAVE THE APPLICANT MR. LANCE LOKEY ON NOW. 
          LANCE, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          HEY GUYS, THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL. 
          UH, I STARTED TO REPLACE JUST THE TOP SKIN DECKING, UH, ON A HOUSE DUE. 
          WHEN WE STARTED PAINTING THE HOUSE, UH, WE NOTICED THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT ROTTING ON THE ONE BY 12 THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THERE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT OVER SIX YEARS AGO. 
          UM, THE PILLARS ON THE FRONT PORCH WERE, UH, ROTTING, ROTTING OUT. 
          AND AS WE WENT TO REPLACE, NOT THE PILLARS, BUT THE BASE, THE LITTLE 12 BY 12, UH, BASE THAT THEY SIT ON, UH, TO GET 'EM UP OFF THE DECK WAS ROTTING OUT. 
          SO AS WE WERE TAKING THOSE APART, WE NOTICED THERE WAS MORE ROTTING THAN YOU COULD, YOU COULD SEE. 
          SO, UH, TO KEEP THE PAINTING JOB GOING, UH, I ASKED THE GUYS TO GO AHEAD AND PULL THOSE BOARDS OFF. 
          AS WE PULLED THOSE OFF IT, WE'VE NOTICED A FEW MORE. 
          AND SO I SAID, LET'S JUST REDO THIS WHOLE TOP SKIN SO IT MATCHES. 
          UH, I CHOSE THE ONE BY SIX. 
          I'VE USED THIS PRODUCT. 
          UH, IT'S TRADED ALSO SO THE ENDS WON'T ROT OUT LIKE THE PREVIOUS, UH, PINE HAD. 
          SO, UH, UH, I BOUGHT THE MATERIAL AND THE GUY, I HAD THE GUY START PUTTING UP, PUTTING IT ON TO, UH, SO WE COULD CONTINUE THE PAINTING. 
          UH, KIND OF HELD THAT UP. 
          UH, AND, UH, I DID NOT KNOW THAT A ONE BY THREE, UH, TONGUE AND GROOVE WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT UNTIL I RECEIVED A CALL FROM EDWARD, UH, NOTING THE VIOLATION. 
          UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, MY NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST AND PRETTIEST HOUSES IN THE HISTO HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT 8 22, I MEAN EIGHT, UH, 21 PINE, THEY ALSO HAVE A ONE BY SIX DECKING, UH, EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT I WAS USING. 
          UH, OUR NEIGHBOR'S, UH, CATTY CORNER, UH, NEXT TO HIM AT EIGHT 15 ALSO HAVE IT, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS JUST TO THE WEST OF US. 
          UH, TONY CASTRO AT, UH, I THINK IT'S EIGHT 14 OR EIGHT 16. 
          UH, THEY ALSO HAVE A ONE. 
          EVERYBODY HAS A ONE BY SIX. 
          SO I FIGURED IT, IT WAS PRETTY APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, AND IN THE, UH, TIME CONSTRAINTS, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE WENT WITH. 
          AND, UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, WITH Y'ALL'S APPROVAL, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, FINISH THAT SO WE CAN FINISH OUR JOB. 
          AND, AND THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COREY, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES. 
          THIS COMES FROM OUR GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY RESORT DISTRICT. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WE ALSO APPRECIATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THREE INCH TONGUE AND GROOVE PORCH BOARDS BE USED. 
          THE SCALE OF MATERIAL USED TO CONSTRUCT PORCHES IMMEDIATELY GIVES THE OBSERVERS SENSE OF ERROR AND STYLE AND SHOULD BE MAINTAINED JUST LIKE OTHER IMPORTANT HISTORIC ELEMENTS. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. 
          UM, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF, UH, CAN YOU CONFIRM, ARE THE BOARDS RUNNING PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE OR ARE THEY RUNNING PARALLEL TO THE FRONT FACADE? BECAUSE THAT WAS ALSO MADE MENTIONED IN THE, UH, STAFF. 
          YEAH, YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RUN THE, THEY'RE RUN THE CORRECT WAY PERPENDICULAR FROM THE FRONT DOOR TO THE STREET. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          PERPENDICULAR TO THIS STREET. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE, THE PREVIOUS ONE BY TWELVES WERE THAT WAY. 
          AND SO, UH, 
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I PUT THOSE IN THERE AND I'LL TELL YOU, I WOULD'VE GONE BACK WITH THE ONE BY 12, SO IT WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          BUT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY OUR PORCH GETS A LOT OF WATER BLOWN IN ON IT. 
          UH, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A REAL BIG OVERHANG PAST THE PORCH. 
          AND THOSE ONE BY TWELVES WERE CENTER ROTTING BECAUSE THE WATER WOULD JUST STAND ON 'EM. 
          AND THE, AND HERE, HERE, HERE'S ANOTHER THING, UH, THAT I HAVE NOTICED. 
          'CAUSE WE OWN A, WELL, WE USED TO OWN ANOTHER HOUSE AT SIX 15 NORTH PINE, AND IT HAS THE ONE BY THREE, AND THAT HOUSE SHIFTS A LOT. 
          AND THE BOARDS WERE, BECAUSE THEY WERE, THE TONGUE AND GROOVE WE'RE CONSTANTLY BUCKLING. 
          AND I REPLACE THOSE QUITE REGULARLY, UH, MAINLY TO PREVENT TRIP HAZARDS. 
          AND IS IT A, LIKE A FIVE QUARTER MATERIAL YOU'RE USING? SO IT'S A TRUE ONE INCH THICKNESS? IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST A HAIR OVER, UH, ONE INCH. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, I THINK THEY CALL IT A SIX, SIX FIFTH. 
          SO IT'S LIKE ONE AND A FIFTH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, IT IS FIVE, FIVE FOURTHS I THINK IS THEN IT GETS PLAIN DOWN TO SOMETHING ALMOST CLOSE TO ONE INCH, AND THAT'S THE RIGHT MATERIAL TO USE. 
          AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU. 
          I I'VE USED BOTH THE, UH, ONE BY THREE AS AS WELL AS THE ONE BY SIX IN RESTORATION PROJECTS. 
          UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A PREVALENCE OF ONE BY SIX IF, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF CAN CONFIRM THAT OR NOT. 
          UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN CONFIRM IT, BUT I MEAN, IT IS LIKELY, UM, WE SEE A VARIETY OF REPLACEMENT MATERIALS OVER TIME. 
          UM, BUT TYPICALLY WHEN REQUESTED, WE ARE GONNA RECOMMEND THE, THE MOST APPROPRIATE MATERIAL. 
          I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT THE, UH, THE INSTALLED MATERIAL. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I, I GENERALLY CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S INITIAL THOUGHTS THAT THIS MATERIAL SEEMS APPROPRIATE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE'S A PREVALENCE OF IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE, OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. 
          COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I'M SORRY IF MR HAS COMMENTS. 
          HE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF HE HAD ANY YEAH, NO, NO, I'M, I'M, I'M HERE. 
          ARE Y'ALL TRYING TO, LIKE I'M ASKING FOR COMMISSIONER IF HE HAS COMMENTS. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK WE'VE SEEN MORE EGREGIOUS THINGS TODAY. 
          UH, SO I'M GONNA MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT I STAFF HAS THIS ONE CORRECT, SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          FISH. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ VELASQUEZ? NO ZOOMER ON AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP NAY THAT SIR NAYYY LA NAYYY MOTION FAILS. 
          I, UM, THE ITEM IS NOT DENIED UNLESS THERE IS AN APPROVED MOTION TO DENY. 
          IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION? SORRY, CORY, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER MOTION THAT IS NOT DENIED? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE MOTION TO APPROVE DID NOT PASS. 
          AND SO WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER MOTION TO PASS, EVEN IF IT WAS A MOTION TO DENY ABBY, ABBY MOVE THIS TO D R C IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO LOOK FOR OTHER TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT HE COULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, TRY TO FIND IF 
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HE'S OPEN TO THAT. 
          DO, DO YOU MIND ME ASKING A QUESTION AT THIS POINT? OR ARE WE PAST THAT? NO, SIR. 
          YOU MAY ASK. 
          I PO I I POINTED OUT THAT THE ONE BY SIX HAS BEEN APPROVED BY YOU CLEARLY, OR, OR THE HISTORIC, MAYBE NOT PEOPLE IN Y'ALL'S AT, AT THE TIME Y'ALL THERE, BUT THAT THE, I'LL TELL YOU THE, PROBABLY THE MOST LOOKED AT HOUSE IN DIG WITTY HILL, TONY GRADY'S HOUSE HAS ONE BY SIX ON IT. 
          AND I KNOW HIS HOUSE HAS BEEN REHABBED IN THE LAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT ONE'S BEEN APPROVED. 
          SO I'M WONDERING HOW MINE IS NOT GONNA GET APPROVED. 
          UH, AND YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THE, THE, I I THINK THE, UH, THE SHIPLAP THAT Y'ALL RECOMMEND, IF THAT STUFF GETS WET, IT BUCKLES AND IT, AND IT CAUSES A TRIP HAZARD AND I'M, I IT'S JUST, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY WOOD FLOORING IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE SUGGESTING. 
          AND THIS DECKING IS, IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE, IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ONES WITH THE ONE BY THREE ARE ALL BUCKLING AND THEY ALL, I MEAN, AFTER A COUPLE YEARS, THEY DON'T LOOK, THEY DON'T LOOK GOOD. 
          THEY'RE NOT VERY PLEASING US AESTHETICALLY, PLUS THEIR TRIP HAZARD. 
          DO WE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION OR ANOTHER MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I, I DON'T THINK OF A D R C OR A SITE VISIT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS. 
          I THINK WE JUST NEED AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION. 
          I I'D LIKE TO ASK THE, THE APPLICANT A QUESTION. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, SIR, IS, IS YOUR INTENT TO ALLOW THE MATERIAL TO DRY AND THEN TO PAINT IT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOVE. 
          I MOVE TO DENIAL. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND LA MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          FISH. 
          NAY QUEZ. 
          I'M GONNA PASS ZOOM ON. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER NAY GROUP? AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          LAO AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM 23. 
          RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          AGENDA 
          [23. 21-5076 Address/Description: 1115 NOLAN ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-341 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Chris Mongeon Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 2]
ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 41 11 15 NOLAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE FIVE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ON THE SECOND STORY REAR. 
          ADDITION WITH REPLACEMENT WOOD WINDOWS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E. 
          THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES RECOMMEND THAT REPAIR OF HISTORIC AGE WINDOWS BE PRIORITIZED OVER REPLACEMENT. 
          IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARDS, WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          AND TWO, THAT THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE OR DONATE DONATED TO A LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE STORE. 
          AND THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER CHRISTOPHER MUON IS ON THE LINE. 
          CHRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE COMMISSION AND SPEAK TO YOUR REQUEST AT THIS TIME? YES. 
          THANK YOU, RACHEL. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT'S, UH, BEEN A WHILE AND I HOPE YOU'VE ALL BEEN WELL. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA JUMP RIGHT IN HERE. 
          UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF PAGE TWO ON THIS CASE, UM, THERE'S THE ITALICIZED, UH, PHRASE, STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT. 
          AND I WANNA REAFFIRM MY STATEMENT IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION THAT THESE ARE NOT ORIGINAL WINDOWS. 
          UM, I THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE REGARDING THE RELEVANCE OF THESE QUOTES FROM THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UM, BASED ON ANY SORT DEED, UH, RESEARCH THAT I'VE CONDUCTED, OUR PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1909, MAKING IT 112 YEARS OLD, UH, THIS YEAR. 
          UH, AND THE CASE FILE PAGES 11, 12, AND 13 ARE THE SANBORN MAPS FROM NINETEEN TWELVE, NINETEEN TWENTY FOUR, AND 1951 RESPECTIVELY. 
          IN EACH OF THESE, YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR HOUSE REMAINED IN ITS ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, UM, AND THEREFORE THIS, 
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IT WAS SOMETIME AFTER 1951 THAT THIS SECOND STORY ROOM, AND THUS THE THE WINDOWS, UH, WERE ADDED, UH, THAT MAKES THEM AT LEAST 42 YEARS TOO LATE TO BE CONSIDERED ORIGINAL, UH, OR, OR EVEN CONTEMPORANEOUS. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT, UH, JUST AS A SIDE THAT THESE WINDOWS ARE ALL ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOME AND, AND THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM NOLAN STREET, UM, OR FROM ANY STREET FOR THAT MATTER. 
          UM, BUT, UH, I WANTED TO MOVE ON TO THE FINDINGS, UH, FINDING E UH, THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE THE PARAPHRASE QUOTE HERE FROM THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, AMIDST THE MOST IMPORTANT WORD RECEIVED, HISTORIC. 
          UM, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY INTEND TO, TO TANGENT OFF INTO A PHILOSOPHICAL DEBATE OF WHAT THE WORD HISTORIC ACTUALLY MEANS. 
          UH, BUT O P'S WEBPAGE ON THE NUITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT STATES QUOTE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTED PRIMARILY OF SMALL FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE HOUSES AND CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOWS BY THE 1930S. 
          AND I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THE WINDOWS OF OUR 1950S OR OR LATER EDITION, UH, SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC. 
          UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THE PHRASE IN THE FINAL SENTENCE OF THIS FINDING QUOTE THAT THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT IS APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, I'LL GET BACK TO THAT LATER. 
          UM, BUT FOR NOW, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT FINDING B UH, THE EXISTING CONDITION. 
          UM, I, I WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GRANTING, UH, A SITE VISIT. 
          UM, DUE TO COVID CONCERNS, I, I DID OFFER AN ON-PREMISES EXTERIOR SITE VISIT, BUT I, I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WOULD NOT HAVE ACHIEVED THE GOAL, UH, OF THE INTENDED GOAL OF THE SITE VISIT. 
          UM, I ALSO APOLOGIZE FOR GETTING SURPRISED BY THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT CONTENT FOR THIS CASE, UH, AND NOT HAVING UPDATED PHOTOS TO PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT REGARDING THE CONDITION OF THESE WINDOWS. 
          UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW STAFF WOULD DEFAULT TO A FINDING THAT THE WINDOWS ARE REPAIRABLE. 
          UH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A POSITION BASED ON THE ABSENCE OF DOCUMENTATION, UH, AND THAT THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I HAVE PROVIDED, UM, TELLS A BIT OF A DIFFERENT STORY EVEN IF IT IS NOT, UH, AS COMPLETE AS, AS ANY OF US WOULD DESIRE. 
          UM, I BELIEVE OUR TAX CERTIFICATION AND TAX VERIFICATION WERE APPROVED IN 2017. 
          UH, AND AS PART OF THAT MAJOR RESTORATION PROJECT, UH, WE SPENT $8,610 TO REPAIR 21 WINDOWS, UH, AVERAGING, UH, $410 A WINDOW. 
          UH, ALSO INCLUDED THAT PROJECT WAS SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS SPENT ON INSULATION. 
          WE DID SPRAY FOAM UNDER THE ROOF AND UNDER THE FIRST FLOOR, UM, WE DID BLOW IN ALL THE WALLS. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF ALL THAT WORK, WHEN WE HAD THE FREEZE BACK IN FEBRUARY, WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE HOUSE. 
          UH, THANKFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE LUCKY TO HAVE, UH, POWER THE WHOLE TIME WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE HOUSE IN THE LOW SIXTIES EXCEPT FOR THIS ROOM, UH, WHERE EVEN THE ADDITION OF TWO SPACE HEATERS IN THE ROOM COULD NOT RAISE THE TEMPERATURE OUT OF THE FORTIES. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL BATS IN THIS ROOM, UH, OBVIOUSLY ENTERING THROUGH THE WINDOWS. 
          UH, AND UP TO THIS POINT IT'S KIND OF BEEN OKAY BECAUSE THE BEDROOM HAS BEEN PRIMARILY UNOCCUPIED. 
          BUT, UH, WE ARE EXPECTING OUR, OUR SECOND CHILD IN SEPTEMBER, AND WE WILL NEED TO USE THIS ROOM, UH, AND FOR IT TO BE SAFE ENOUGH, UH, FOR A CHILD TO SLEEP IN, UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON OUR HISTORIC HOME HERE. 
          UM, WE'VE DONE SOME VERY LARGE AND CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS. 
          WE'VE DONE SOME VERY SMALL, UH, ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED PROJECTS. 
          I WOULD'VE ABSOLUTELY APPLIED FOR REPAIR OF THESE WINDOWS IF I THOUGHT THAT REPAIRING THEM WOULD BE COST EFFECTIVE AND KEEP THE THE CHILD THAT WE'RE EXPECTING SAFE, UH, FROM HYPOTHERMIA. 
          UM, BUT AFTER EXTENSIVE RENOVATIONS THAT WE'VE DONE ON THIS HOME AND OTHERS OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS, I'M CONVINCED THAT THE REPAIR AND ANNUAL REPAINTING OF THESE WINDOWS IS REALLY ONLY A BANDAID AND, AND IT'S AN EXPENSIVE BANDAID. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SOLVE THIS, UH, WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE, UH, FOR THE LONGER TERM. 
          SO, I WOULD REQUEST, UM, THAT YOU APPROVE MY, UH, THIS APPLICATION TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS. 
          UH, WHEN IT COMES TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I QUITE UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF STIPULATION ONE, UM, AND I'M GLAD TO BE EDUCATED ON, ON THE VALUE OF, OF, OF IT. 
          BUT AS IT STANDS, STAFF HAS STATED THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS THAT I'VE PROPOSED ARE APPROPRIATE. 
          AND IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME WHY, UH, I SHOULD BE ASKED TO SUBMIT UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS FOR A SECOND ROUND IF THEY ALREADY AGREE THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, I'M ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH STIPULATION NUMBER TWO. 
          UM, SO AS TO MY CURRENT UNDERSTANDING, UH, I WOULD REQUEST THAT, UM, YOU APPROVE MY, UH, MY REQUEST, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER TWO ONLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES. 
          UM, THIS COMES FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY, THE RESORT DISTRICT. 
          ONCE AGAIN, SAAS MAKES A GOOD CASE FOR THE VALUE OF WOOD WINDOWS AND OUR STORAGE STRUCTURES. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REPAIR AND RECONDITIONING THE EXISTING UNITS AS SAAS FINDINGS STATE, AND AS MANY OF US HAVE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED ORALIZED WORK, WOOD WINDOWS CAN BE MADE TO PERFORM TO VERY HIGH STANDARDS WITH PROPER FITTING HARDWARE AND METAL SPRING THERMAL STRIPPING. 
          AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, TO THE APPLICANT, I THINK WE'D GO BACK A FEW YEARS. 
          WE'VE SEEN THIS PROJECT EVOLVE. 
          UM, I DO FEEL THAT I, I NEED TO CONCUR WITH STAFF AND WE, AND I THINK WE NEED, WE'RE PRETTY CONSISTENT ON THIS. 
          AND WHETHER THE WINDOWS ARE ORIGINAL TO THE HOME OR 
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HISTORIC AS YOU WANNA CALL IT, THEY ARE PART OF THE HOME. 
          AND, AND I THINK WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT IN THE GUIDELINES IS IF THEY'RE REPAIRABLE, WE ALWAYS SUGGEST REPAIR AND NOT REPLACE. 
          UM, SO IF THEY'RE IN NEED OF REPAIR, WHICH THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE FINDING ME, BUT MAYBE, I MEAN, YES, MAYBE WE SHOULD GET SOME MORE PICTURES IF YOU FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT REPAIRABLE TO WHAT I'VE SEEN, TO WHAT I CAN SEE JUST FROM THE PICTURES. 
          I MEAN, UM, WE'VE SEEN MUCH WORSE. 
          UM, SECOND, IF YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH, UH, CLIMATE AND ALL THAT, A LOT OF, UH, HISTORIC HOMEOWNERS, THEY ACTUALLY GET THESE LIKE, UM, SCREEN, WHAT DO THEY GO, LIKE P V C OR GLASS INSERTS FROM THE INSIDE, AND THAT HELPS A LOT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WOULD GO FOR SOLUTION. 
          UH, YOU DID SAY YOU WANTED TO GO DEEP INTO THE REPLACEMENT WINDOW. 
          I MEAN, I SEE THEM IN THE APP IN THE APPLICATION, BUT I AM, I'M, I THINK I'M, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH STAFF ON THIS ONE. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, WHAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE ARE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UH, NO. 
          THEY ARE ENTIRELY WOOD WINDOWS. 
          UH, I WANTED TO GO, UH, A ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT WITH, UH, WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, CONSIDERING THAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, EVEN CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THAT SAID, I, I KNOW THAT IN THE, UH, A COUPLE, I THINK IT WAS CASE 17, UH, EARLIER TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT OF, OF PRODUCTS, UH, AND I THINK THERE WAS A QUOTE FROM THERE THAT YOU USED OF ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION ORDERS. 
          REPLACEMENT PRODUCTS BECAME MORE PREVALENT DURING THE POST-WAR CONSTRUCTION BOOM. 
          AND, UH, IF THIS, IF THESE WINDOWS WERE NOT EVEN PRESENT, UH, IN 1951, I THINK THIS WOULD QUALIFY AT THAT TIME PERIOD. 
          SO I DIDN'T ACTUALLY TRY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR, UH, ALUMINUM CLAD OR ALUMINUM WINDOWS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT EVEN BE, UH, AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT LIKE FOR LIKE, AND SO THAT'S WHY I PROPOSED THE ENTIRELY WOOD WINDOWS. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE SHOP DRAWING OR THE DETAILS THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH THE WINDOW SPECS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE EXTERIOR IS ALUMINUM. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE SPECS THAT WERE PROVIDED BY, UH, ANDERSON WINDOWS WERE, UH, FOR BOTH VERSIONS OF THAT PARTICULAR WINDOW PRODUCT. 
          UM, UH, SO THERE MIGHT BE MORE DETAILS IN THERE THAN THAT ARE ACTUALLY RELEVANT TO, UH, THE WINDOWS AS, AS I'VE PROPOSED, UH, PROPOSED THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I AM READY TO DO A MOTION IF, UH, YES, MA'AM. 
          WELL, UNLESS THE APPLICANT WANTS TO WITHDRAW, KIND OF, I THINK THAT'S A CHOICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I  I ASSUME YOU'RE ASKING ME IF I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO MOTION TO DENY, UH, I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M NEED YEAH, I WOULD THINK. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER GROOVE THAT, UH, UNLESS THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE MORE PHOTOS SHOWING, UH, THESE ARE BEYOND REPAIR, I THINK STEPH HAS THIS CORRECT THAT THEY'RE REPAIRABLE AND WITH PROPER WEATHER STRIPPING IN THAT, THAT THEY CAN'T, AND POSSIBLY A STORM WINDOW ON THE INTERIOR, THEY COULD BE MADE MORE WEATHER EFFICIENT. 
          SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR OTHER COMMENTS? I GUESS I'M GONNA GO AHEAD WITH MY MOTION IF APPLICANT WANTS TO WITHDRAW. 
          UH, SURE. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD AND WITHDRAW. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NEXT ITEM'S 24. 
          I ALREADY THERE. 
          YES. 
          AGENDA ITEM 
          [24. 21-5119 Address/Description: 1235 E CROCKETT ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-369 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Samuel Tripp/Tripp Flip LLC Request: Amendments to a previously approved design regarding porch decking, columns, and porch railing City Council Dist.: 2]
NUMBER 24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 360 9 12 35 EAST CROCKETT. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MODIFICATIONS AT 1235 EAST CROCKETT LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, ONE, INSTALL SIX BY FOUR COLUMNS WITHOUT CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM. 
          TWO, INSTALL PORCH RAILING THAT FEATURES A DIFFERING PROFILE FROM THAT WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. 
          AND THREE, INSTALL ONE BY SIX PORCH DECKING INSTALL PARALLEL TO THE FIRST TO THE FRONT FACADE FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          PORCH COLUMNS BASED 
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ON FINDING D. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED STIPULATION FOR COLUMNS BE ADHERED TO THE INSTALLATION OF COLUMNS THAT ARE SIX INCHES SQUARE, THAT FEATURE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM. 
          ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, THE PORCH TRAILING AS INSTALLED AS THE RAILING MEETS THE SPIRIT OF STAFF'S STANDARD AND DOES NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND THREE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, ONE BY SIX. 
          PORCH DECKING. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED STIPULATIONS BE ADHERED TO, ONE BY THREE MEMBERS INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE. 
          HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. UH, THOR TRIPP ON THE LINE NOW. 
          UH, HELLO COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE, UH, READY TO BE BE DONE WITH THE AGENDA HERE FOR THE DAY. 
          UM, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO, TO LISTEN TO OUR CASE HERE. 
          UM, I SPOKE WITH YOU BRIEFLY EARLIER ABOUT 1231 EAST CROCKETT STREET, UH, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER WHAT PROVED, UM, AS IT IS CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED, IT'S THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE RAILING HERE ON 1235. 
          UH, WE PUT TWO BY FOURS IN ON THE TOP RAILING INSTEAD OF ONE BY THREES. 
          UM, BUT IT MATCHES THE LOWER RAILING, UM, AND, AND FROM THE STREET, UH, IT LOOKS THE SAME. 
          UM, AND SO OF COURSE WE WOULD HOPE THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD, WOULD CONSIDER TO AMEND, UH, AS WORK HAS CURRENTLY BE BEEN DONE, UH, AS YOU DID EARLIER TODAY. 
          UH, THE OTHER ITEMS, UM, NUMBER ONE, UM, THAT THE COLUMN WOULD BE SIX SQUARE UNDER CAP BASE TRIM. 
          UM, WE INSTALLED COLUMNS THAT ARE SIX INCHES WIDE, SO FACING THE STREET, THEY'RE CORRECT, UM, BUT THEY'RE ONLY FOUR INCHES THICK, WHICH WE, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE, UH, IS NOT IN KEEPING THE C O A AS WE ORIGINALLY DID IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE. 
          UM, UH, BUT WITHIN THAT, UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO JUSTIFY AMENDING IT, UH, TO, TO LEAVE THE WORK AS IT'S BEEN DONE, UH, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RIP OUT THE COLUMNS. 
          UH, THERE'S A NEW OWNER THAT'S ALREADY LIVING THERE. 
          UH, THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE THIS WAY. 
          AND, AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO AMEND IT, UH, AS STANDS IS THAT, UM, THEY ACTUALLY ARE THE SAME AS THE COLUMNS, UM, NEXT DOOR, UH, WHICH WERE ORIGINAL TO THAT HOUSE, UH, WHEN WE PURCHASED IT. 
          SO THE SIX BY FOURS, UH, NEXT DOOR. 
          AND JUST ACCORDING TO THE O H P PORCH POLICY GUIDE, UM, BECAUSE THIS WAS A NEW STRUCTURE, THIS WAS A NEW PORCH THAT, THAT WE HAD APPROVED. 
          UM, THE POLICY GUIDE STATES KEEP IT SIMPLE WHEN PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE IS NOT AVAILABLE. 
          DESIGN NEW PORCH ELEMENTS TO REPLICATE FEATURES FOUND ON NEARBY HISTORIC HOUSES WITH SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. 
          UM, SO WE FEEL THAT SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR HAS THESE COLUMNS, UM, AS WE HAVE THEM CURRENTLY INSTALLED, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, WE, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE SOLD THIS HOUSE ALREADY. 
          UM, AND SO I KNOW THAT THE NEW, THE NEW OWNER WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF US KEEPING THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE AND NOT RIPPING OUT THE COLUMN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, UH, A COUPLE INCHES TOO SKINNY. 
          UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADD THE CAPITAL OR BASE TRIM. 
          UM, IF, IF THAT ALLOWED US TO NOT HAVE TO RIP OUT THE COLUMNS, UM, WE'D HAVE TO, TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE, THAT THE PORCH FUTURE DECKING, THAT'S, UH, ONE BY THREE INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE, TO THE FRONT FACADE. 
          UM, WE INSTALLED THE PARALLEL TO THE FRONT FACADE, BASICALLY, AGAIN, THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME GOING THROUGH THIS. 
          AND WE KINDA HAD A BASIC JUST MISUNDERSTANDING OF PERPENDICULAR. 
          I WAS THINKING PERPENDICULAR, UM, TO WHERE THE RAILING WAS, UH, ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND, UH, OUR MAIN CONTRACTOR AND MYSELF ALL LOOKED AT THE SKETCH, WHICH WAS PROVIDED, UM, AND JUST MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          UM, AND I THINK THE REASONING IS THAT BASICALLY THERE'S AN EXTRA, THERE'S AN EXTRA LINE UNDERNEATH, UM, WHERE I GUESS THE GROUND FLOOR WOULD BE REPRESENTED ON THE SKETCH THAT, UH, INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S ON PAGE FOUR. 
          AND, UM, THERE'S AN EXTRA LINE THERE. 
          UM, WHICH TO TO ALL OF US, WE KIND OF JUST LOOKED AT IT AND, AND SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS THE WAY THE DUCKING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RUN, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL PICTURES OF HOUSES OR ANYTHING. 
          SO WE WEREN'T TRYING TO DISREGARD ANYTHING. 
          WE JUST MISUNDERSTOOD 
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WHAT WE SAW, UH, IN THAT SITUATION. 
          UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY PICTURES WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE HELPFUL FOR US. 
          I ADDED IT A LITTLE RARE, JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE NEW OWNER AGAIN, PURCHASED IT THIS WAY. 
          THEY, YOU KNOW, SHE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THIS WAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND MOVING FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A, A A MISTAKE THAT WE DIDN'T REPEAT. 
          UM, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, THE COST IN JUSTIFYING, RIPPING OUT, YOU KNOW, THE DECKING AS IT IS CURRENTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PASSED ALL INSPECTIONS. 
          WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE WORTH THE EXTRA HEADACHE TO THE, TO THE NEW HOMEOWNER, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GO IN AND RIP ALL THIS STUFF OUT AND, UH, AND MAKE THESE CHANGES. 
          UM, IT, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE IMPORTANT THING YOU GUYS, UH, DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, THE CARE FACTOR, I GUESS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, WE DO CARE, UM, ABOUT OUR WORK. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A SMALLER, YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT GROUP. 
          IT'S JUST WE PUT IN OUR OWN MONEY, UH, AND WE DID THREE HOUSES AND WE'VE COMPLIED, UH, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE, WHAT WE PUT IN. 
          UM, WE DONATED A NEW ROOF TO THE CHURCH RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS 1235 HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE PROVING THE AREA AND IMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE FOR US. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, WE WOULD JUST HOPE THAT, THAT YOU COULD SEE IT FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW A LITTLE BIT AND, AND HOPEFULLY AMEND AS DONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? UH, WE DO. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS COMES FROM OUR GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN, UH, THE NUITY HILL STORE, DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS AND COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. 
          ONCE AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO WORK COMPLETED OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF APPROVAL. 
          THE NON-CONFORMING WORK MAY SEEM MINOR OR REVERSIBLE, BUT MOST OFTEN, THE NON-CONFORMING WORK REMAINS AND SERVES AS PRECEDENT FOR OTHERS WORKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          FOR THIS REASON, WE DO NOT SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW THE WORK TO REMAIN AND RECOMMEND THE WORK BE REDONE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE O H P STANDARD GUIDELINES. 
          THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? UM, THIS, THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT'S WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, OR I THINK I MENTIONED HOW THE, THE DETAILS REALLY GO FAR AWAY FROM THE, THE LITTLE THINGS, RIGHT? THE COLUMNS, SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WERE THE COLUMNS IN THE WAY THAT THE, THE PORCH WAS CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CASE BEFORE US, THE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS JUST THE SIZE OF THE PLANK OF THE FLOOR, RIGHT? SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T REALLY EVEN SEE EXCEPT IN THE ONE INCH PROFILE. 
          THIS, UM, SITUATION IS KIND OF A, WHICH I, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD A REAL CLEAR CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IS THERE. 
          THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, RIGHT? SO IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FACADE. 
          AND TO A LARGE PART, THE THING THEY, A LARGE PART, THE THING THAT ALTERS IT IS, IS THE PORCH, RIGHT? SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW ANYBODY FEELS ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE, RIGHT? OF HOW, UH, UM, WE'RE NOT REAL CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT, THAT WE EXPECT, OR, UH, IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THIS CASE, IT'S A LITTLE BAFFLING. 
          THIS, THE PROJECT'S A LITTLE BAFFLING 'CAUSE IT'S SO SIMPLE. 
          UM, AND IT VEERS SO FAR AWAY FROM JUST THESE SIMPLE LITTLE THINGS. 
          BUT I'LL, I'LL, UH, YIELD TO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I MEAN, I DO, UH, FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I ALSO, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELA CHANGES A LOT. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK ALSO THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CORRECT. 
          THIS COULD, THIS IS WHAT MAY BE COMPLICATED OR SIMPLE FOR SOME, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE USED. 
          AN EXAMPLE, AND THIS IS NOT THE SECOND TIME WITH THE SAME APPLICANT, AND I THINK HE'S LEARNED HIS LESSON. 
          I AGREE. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S HAS TO BE DONE SOMETHING 
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WITH THESE COLUMNS. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. 
          THE WOULD I, I MEAN, AS, AS PREVIOUS CASE, I DON'T AGREE TO ONE BY BY SIX AND ESPECIALLY NOT HOW IT'S PLACED. 
          SO I, I, I KIND OF HAVE IT SO THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG PROJECT TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND CHANGE. 
          AND I THINK MY MOTION WOULD PROBABLY BE WITH A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GRU, I, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO ADD TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER THAT MADE, I COULD BE WRONG. 
          IT MADE THE MOTION, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE WOOD AND THE PAINT GRADE AND THOSE THINGS, BUT IT, THE, THE HARD PART FOR ME IS THE DEPTH OF CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD ABOUT THESE VERY DETAILS, UH, IN, IN THE MEETING. 
          THAT, THAT THERE WAS NOT SO MUCH TO DISCUSS ONCE YOU, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU GET PAST THE, THESE LITTLE POINTS THAT WE DISCUSSED, THAT'S THE THING THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT. 
          I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS WITH THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE THERE AND, UH, THAT THEY DON'T BEAR SOME RESPONSIBILITY, WHETHER THEY PURCHASED, PURCHASED IT OR NOT, TO A MEETING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT LONG AGO. 
          UM, BUT, BUT CLEARLY WHAT IT SEEMED IN THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS THAT, THAT WE JUST KIND OF PULL AWAY FROM WHAT WAS HISTORIC. 
          AND THEN THIS NEW CONTEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, THE BLACK PAINT, THE SQUARENESS THAT IS TRYING TO GO IN A DIRECTION. 
          NOW IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING, BUT IT CAN'T COMMIT. 
          NOW, I, I GUESS IF I MIGHT SPEAK, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS MR. TRIP. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THE PHILOSOPHICAL, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION OF THAT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID GO THROUGH AND GET EVERYTHING APPROVED, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE STIPULATIONS STATE, YOU KNOW, THE BLACK PAINT, EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS. 
          WE, WE WEREN'T TRYING TO CUT ANY CORNERS OR DO ANYTHING CRAZY WITHOUT APPROVAL. 
          WE, WE DID GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS COMMISSION, UH, AND THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR ALL THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ON CONSIDERATION TODAY, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE DECKING FACING THE WRONG WAY IS OF COURSE A MISTAKE ON OUR PART. 
          BUT I ALSO HOPE THAT ON PAGE FOUR, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THAT MISTAKE CAME FROM, UM, HOW THAT, HOW THAT OCCURRED, HAVING THE SKETCH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A LITTLE MISLEADING FOR US ON OUR FIRST, UH, TIME GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE COLUMNS, YOU KNOW, BEING BY FOUR INSTEAD OF SIX BY SIX, I, I UNDERSTAND IT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE YOU SEE SO MANY OF THESE GRAND, UH, PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          BUT, UH, FOR US, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT, OKAY, YOU KNOW, GO TAKE THE WOOD OUT AND TURN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO BUY ALL NEW DECKING. 
          UH, WE'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE LABOR TO, TO RIP THE EXISTING DECKING OUT. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THE RAILINGS AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE OUT TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THE COLUMNS AND PUT IN NEW COLUMNS JUST TO GET THAT EXTRA INCH AND A HALF, UM, THAT A SIX BY SIX WOULD ALLOW. 
          UM, AND, AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT WORK AND ALL THAT MONEY THAT YOU'RE SPENDING, YOU  GETS YOU THAT EXTRA INCH AND A HALF OF THICKNESS, WHICH, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE STREET ANYWAY ON THE COLUMNS. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THE, THE DECK WAS THE WRONG WAY, BUT IT ALL JUST SEEMS LIKE KIND OF COST THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER , I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, NICKEL AND DIMING EARLIER IN THE DAY, NOT THAT THAT'S DEAL, I'LL, I'LL BE WILLING TO ACCEPT MOTION WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE NOT, UH, CHANGED. 
          I MEAN, YES, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INCH AND I, AND THAT COULD BE A COMPROMISE WHERE WE DON'T CHANGE THE COLUMNS, BUT SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK TO MAKE THE, THE, THE BOTTOM, UM, THE PORCH, I MEAN THE, THE PORCH DECKING. 
          I THINK YOU CAN MAYBE, I MEAN, FIGURE, UH, I THINK YOU COULD FIND SOMETHING. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST EXPENSE. 
          I THINK THE, THE COLUMNS ARE THE BIGGEST EXPENSE, AND I'LL BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THOSE COLUMNS. 
          BUT I WOULD LEAVE THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, THE SHRINK COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GRU, I JUST ADD, WELL, WELL SEE. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK IT WAS SUCH A IMPORTANT DISCUSSION WHEN WE HAD IT. 
          UH, COREY, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE ORIGINAL, THAT PICTURE BEFORE THIS ALTERATION OCCURRED. 
          YEAH, IT'S A STREET VIEW THAT, THAT VIEW WHERE THE PORCH WAS GONNA GET EXTENDED 
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AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, IT, THAT'S THE ONLY REAL CONVERSATION. 
          SO THE, THE IN THE INCH, INCH AND A HALF, TO ME IT'S LIKE INCRE INCREMENTALISM IN NEGOTIATION, PHYSICAL, PHYSICALLY, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT AN INCH, THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD ALREADY, THAT IT RESULTS IN MONEY AND, AND THE DISCUSSION BECOMES, WELL, I'VE ALREADY DID IT AND NOW IT'S GONNA, NOW I'M GONNA INCUR ALL THIS MONEY. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS, YOU, YOU DIDN'T, YOU'RE NOT INCURRING ALL THIS EXPENSE BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THIS COMMISSION. 
          IT, IT'S A, IT'S AN, IT'S AN EXPENSE THAT OCCURS BECAUSE OF KIND OF THE PUSHING OF THE ENVELOPE, RIGHT? IF, IF NOT JUST AN ALL OUT MISTAKE, BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING, MAN. 
          I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, THAT'S KIND OF THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION THAT WE WERE HAVING IS THE INCREDIBLE DISTANCE THAT ONE APPLICANT IS ALLOWED TO GO VERSUS THE CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE PLACED ON OTHER APPLICANTS. 
          AND IT'S INHERENT IN THIS PICTURE. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS INHERENT FISH. 
          I, YES, SIR. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A, THIS, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN MOVED HERE. 
          IT WAS CHANGED INTO A DUPLEX. 
          THERE WERE FEATURES THAT ARE RELATE TO THE DUPLEX. 
          THE LAST TIME WE SAW THIS WAS ABOUT THAT THE DOOR ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH THERE WAS EVIDENCE THAT THAT WASN'T ORIGINAL. 
          SO, I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. 
          TO ME, THE BIGGEST ONE OF THESE ISSUES TO THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY THE DECK. 
          GIVEN, GIVEN HOW THINGS HAVE GONE TO TONIGHT,  THE DECK, IT SEEMS TO BE DRIVING SOME OF WHERE WE CAN GO WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          THE, THE EXISTING COLUMNS COULD BE MODIFIED IN PLACE WITHOUT RIPPING THEM OUT AND REPLACING THEM. 
          I BELIEVE, UH, SOME OF OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS MIGHT AGREE WITH THAT IDEA OR NOT. 
          UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ARU APPROVAL OF THE PORCH RAILING, BUT THE WAY THESE ARE INSTALLED, ALL OF THAT IS CONTINGENT ON THE PORCH DECKING. 
          AND GIVEN, GIVEN THIS EVENING, I DON'T THINK I CAN GO THERE. 
          SO I, I BELIEVE I RECOMMEND, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS HERE. 
          I THINK ITEMS ONE AND TWO, UH, SAS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON NUMBER TWO. 
          AND ITEM ONE IS ASKING FOR TRIM AND DEPTH MODIFICATIONS. 
          I THINK BOTH OF THOSE CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT RIPPING EVERYTHING OUT. 
          BUT I, ITEM THREE IS A, IS A BIG ISSUE. 
          SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA PUT THE MOTION OUT THERE AND WE'LL SEE IF IT GOES. 
          SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, AND ADOPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENY FOR DENIAL ON ITEM ONE AND THREE. 
          WILL YOU BE WILLING TO LEAVE THE EXISTING COLUMNS BUT STILL FEATURE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM, MAKE THAT HAPPEN? YEAH, I MEAN, THIS ALSO COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN FOR APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION ABOUT THE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM. 
          UM, SO YEAH, HOWEVER, , IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING TO APPROVE WITH THE STIPULATION. 
          YES. 
          SO LET'S APPROVE. 
          YEAH, SO I MODIFY THE, THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH THE STIPULA, WITH THE STIPULATION. 
          MR. LAO, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PROPOSE, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THAT, UH, OR PERHAPS STEVE IF IT WOULD BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, ADOPTED BY THE MOTION, OR, UM, IS ONE OPTION YOU HAVE HERE FOR ITEM ONE IS TO ADD A, A TWO BY MATERIAL TO THE BACK OF THE COLUMN TO GO, GO AHEAD AND GIVE IT THE VISUAL APPEARANCE OF THICKNESS THAT IT SHOULD HAVE HAD TO BEGIN WITH. 
          UM, AND THEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL TRIM ON IT, WE WOULD GET THE DETAILING THAT IT SHOULD HAVE HAD ON IT, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          SO I MAKE THAT SUGGESTION AND THAT MEANS THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO PREP THAT WOOD VERY WELL. 
          AND SO THAT THE SEAM DOESN'T SHOW THAT IT IS CERTAINLY DONE EVERY DAY, UH, WHERE PEOPLE DO BUILT UP COLUMNS WITH, UH, WOOD MEMBERS. 
          SO I MAKE THAT SUGGESTION TO GET US EVEN CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL, UM, AGREED UPON DESIGN INTENT FOR THIS, WELL, THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH, I THINK THE COMMISSIONER FOR THAT AMENDMENT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS, THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO WITH ADOPTING STAFF'S POSITION THAT THE COLUMNS BE B SIX BY SIX, BUT AN AN INCREASE IN THE DEPTH OF THE COLUMN SO THAT IT HAS A SQUARE PROFILE AS IS APPROPRIATE ON THESE SORTS OF STRUCTURES. 
          COLUMNS SHOULD HAVE A SQUARE PROFILE, UH, 
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THAT GETS US THERE. 
          SO, SO THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS ACCEPTED. 
          DOES THE SECONDER ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT? I DON'T RECALL. 
          YES, IT SECONDER ACCEPTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF IF THEY COULD PUT THAT PICTURE BACK UP THE ORIGINAL PICTURE. 
          OH GOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? NO, ERON. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          RUE. 
          AYE. 
          ZER. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          REAL QUICK, COMMISSIONERS, UH, THIS IS MR. TRIPP. 
          IF, IF I COULD GET A CLARIFICATION, UM, HATCHING A TWO BY FOUR TO THE BACK OF THOSE COLUMNS, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER? I MEAN, WE, WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN TO REMOVE A SEAM, UM, FROM THAT, BUT I, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE, UH, AS A MODIFICATION FOR THAT. 
          LIKE, DO WE NEED, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THIS AND WE'RE, WE, WE CAN MOVE ON, UM, AND NOT BE BACK HERE IN THREE MONTHS? BECAUSE YEAH, THIS SCENE DON'T LOOK PERFECTLY CORRECT. 
          DOES, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, SIR, I THINK YOU CAN PRESENT A FEW OPTIONS FOR STAFF TO CONSIDER ON HOW TO ADD THE THICKNESS. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S SUGGESTION IS A GOOD ONE. 
          AND SO LET'S, LET'S SEE IF THAT'S A WAY TO ADD THE THICKNESS IN A WAY THAT'S NOT GOING TO, THAT WILL BE SEAMLESS, HOPEFULLY. 
          UM, BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO DO THAT, THAT YOU FIND, UM, I THINK THAT COULD BE PRESENTED TO STAFF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOTION 
          [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for July 21, 2021.]
TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM JULY 21ST. 
          2020. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ FOR STAYING. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP FOR THAT. 
          AND UH, COREY, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
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