* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. I'D LIKE TO CALL [00:00:01] TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 18TH, 2021. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ [ Roll Call] HERE. FISH HERE. GIBBS VELASQUEZ. HERE. AREOLA. HERE. SURAN . HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. GROUP. HERE. BOWMAN ZER. HERE. LIPIN HERE. UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, I'M GONNA THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, CAN WE PLEASE SET THE CHAIRMAN'S [ Chairman’s Statement] STATEMENT? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE-CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS OR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION WILL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. IN ORDER TO HEAR ALL THE CASES ON THE AGENDA IN A TIMELY MANNER, APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE CASE LIST HERE SHORTLY. UM, BEFORE WE DO, JUST A QUICK REMINDER THAT THIS IS OUR LAST FULLY VIRTUAL COMMISSION HEARING. UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER A, UH, REVISED VERSION OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. UM, AND THAT, UH, REVISION PER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL EXPIRES ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE OUR NEXT HEARING. AND SO THAT WILL BE A MOSTLY IN-PERSON HEARING, UM, WHICH MEANS THAT THE BOARDROOM HERE WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UM, AS YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSION AND ZONING COMMISSION HAVE BEEN DOING SO FOR THE PAST MONTH, AND SO THEY'VE BEEN TESTING OUT SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY HERE IN THE ROOM. UM, WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY, A NEW ABILITY TO, UH, HAVE A VIRTUAL OPTION FOR COMMISSIONERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE HEARING. UM, AND THEN THAT ALSO EXTENDS TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL. UM, OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE, UM, AS WE, UH, RETURN TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS. AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE NUMBER OF, OF BODIES PHYSICALLY HERE IN THE ROOM AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. AND SO WE WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY PARTICIPATING IN THE MEETING TO CONTINUE TO USE, UM, THE VIRTUAL OPTION OF LEAVING A VOICEMAIL. UM, IN ORDER FOR THEIR COMMENTS TO BE HEARD DID, SORRY, I THOUGHT I LOST CONNECTION FOR A SECOND. UM, BUT IF ANYBODY, UM, DOES WANT TO ATTEND THE MEETING AND GIVE COMMENTS FOR A CASE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO SO. UM, WE ARE ALSO EXPLORING OPTIONS FOR APPLICANTS TO PRESENT VIRTUALLY. UM, AND WE THINK THAT THAT WILL HELP, UH, KIND OF STREAMLINE THOSE MEETINGS AND KEEP IT SAFER. UM, SO MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK WILL BE, UH, SENT TO OUR WEBSITE AND H C R C E BLAST SHORTLY. AND SO FOR THE PUBLIC, BE LOOKING OUT FOR THAT. AND FOR COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL SEND YOU MORE INSTRUCTIONS AS WELL ON HOW TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY. UM, MOVING ON TO THE CASE LIST, WE DO HAVE SOME UPDATES. UM, ITEM SIX, UH, 2 2 1. GREENLAW HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. ITEM 17, 5 35 BANDERA HAS BEEN POSTPONED, UM, TO THE NEXT HEARING. [00:05:01] AND ITEM 27 10 17 SOUTH ALAMO HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT. IT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, ITEM TEN THREE EIGHTEEN RIO, UM, WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY, UH, PER THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. UM, AND SO THAT TAKES US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEMS [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] ONE THROUGH FIVE, SEVEN THROUGH NINE, AND THEN 11 THROUGH I BELIEVE, 16. UM, SO WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THOSE ITEMS AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM NOW. UM, MOST OF THEM ARE GONNA BE READ BY ME AND THAT WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NINE. UM, SO FIRST WITH ITEM TWO, 100 TO 200 QUENTIN. UM, THIS COMES FROM ANDREA GARZA OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE M P N A SUPPORTS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE DOCUMENT, WITH THE DOCUMENTED FOR THE INSTALLATION OF NEW SIDEWALKS, WITH THE ADDITIONAL FIVE STIPULATIONS WITH A CORD, THE INSTALLATION OF THE NEW SIDEWALKS TO FILL THE GAPS IN. SORRY ABOUT THAT, COMMISSIONERS. AM I BACK? YOU'RE BACK. SO I STOPPED WHEN I GOT TO ITEM THREE. SO ITEM THREE IS 1103 NORTH PINE. UM, THIS COMES FROM SEATTLE ALBERT. ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL STORE DISTRICT, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THE INSTALLATION OF SOLAR PANELS IS GENERALLY NOT VISIBLE TO THE NEIGHBORS FROM THE FRONT FACADE AND IS APPROPRIATE FOR ITS NEW FOR THIS NEW BUILD HOME. UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 5 19 51 WEST SATCH. THIS COMES FROM DREA GARZA OF THE MONTICELLO MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. M P N A SUPPORTS HOMEOWNERS WHO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTIES WHO SUPPORT STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATIONS, WE NOTE BASED ON O P'S EXPLORER MAP, THE PROPERTY IS ESTIMATED TO BE BUILT IN 1925 AND LABELED AS POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC DISTRICT BASED ON ITS ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IT ITALIAN AND RIDGE ZONE REVIVAL. UM, SHOUT OUT TO THE O H P EXPLORER MAP. IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO FIND CASE INFORMATION AS WELL AS SURVEY INFORMATION AS NOTED IN THIS COMMENT. UM, ITEM NINE IS A VOICEMAIL. I BELIEVE JESS HAS LISA LIN ON THE LINE FOR THREE 17 WIX. LISA, DO YOU WANNA SHARE YOUR COMMENTS ON WIX? YEAH, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. I'M GOING BACK TO THE OTHER. OKAY, I'M READY. GO AHEAD. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PRODUCT AND GENERALLY CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL AND THEIR STIPULATIONS REGARDING ITEM ONE. WE CAUTION THE APPLICANT THAT THE OVERLAY OF WOOD TREADS ON THE CONCRETE WILL CAUSE AN IRREGULAR RISER HEIGHT AT THE BOTTOM AND TOP RISERS, WHICH IS A BUILDING CODE VIOLATION. WE CONCUR WITH THE STIPULATION THAT DETAILED DRAWINGS FOR THE HANDRAIL PROPOSED IN ITEM TWO FEE SUBMITTED TO STAFF PRIOR AND APPROVED PRIOR TO ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT BRINGS THIS ITEM 15 6 21 HAYES. UM, THIS COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT. UH, WE SUPPORT STAFF, UM, AND THEN ITEM 16 4 12 MUNCIE SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL STORE DISTRICT, WE DO NOT SUPPORT STAFF ON ITEM ONE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION. THE PROPOSED ADDITION IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, DOES NOT HAVE A SETBACK OR RECESSED AREA BETWEEN THE MAIN HOUSE. IN ADDITION, PER THE GUIDELINES HAS NO SMALL CHANGE IN DETAILING TO DISTINGUISH THIS MAJOR CHANGE. ALSO, THE NEW ROOF FORM ELIMINATES THE ORIGINAL REAR SHED ROOF AND THE REPLACEMENT IS A MUCH LONGER SIMPLE GABLE ROOF THAN IS NORMALLY FOUND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS ESSENTIALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. WE RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT CONSIDER LEAVING THE SHED ROOF IN PLACE AND RECESSING THE NEW ROOF BEHIND THE ORIGINAL ROOF. IF THE SHED ROOF MUST BE ELIMINATED, CONSIDER THE USE OF A CROSS GABLE AS FOUND IN THE ORIGINAL HOME TO BREAK UP THE OVERLY LONG AND LINEAR NEW ROOF FORM. THANK YOU. UM, AFTER HEARING PUBLIC COMMENTS, DO ANY COMMISSIONER REQUEST TO PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT. AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE, SEVEN THROUGH NINE 11 THROUGH 16 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. IS THIS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ? I SECOND YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ AYE FISH? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. ERON AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. AYE. THAT SIR? AYE LFO. MR. LFO, ARE YOU THERE? [00:10:07] LA I, WE MIGHT HAVE LOST HIM FOR A MOMENT, BUT WE, UM, THAT ITEM DID PASS SO WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE ON. UM, SO ITEM 10, SETH, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE BACK. WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, ITEM 10. OKAY. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THEM AT THIS TIME, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON, UH, TO [18. Address/Description: 909 N HACKBERRY ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-324 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Michael Garansuay Request: Construction of two, 2-story residential structures and two, 1-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2  ] ITEM 18. EDWARD, THAT'S YOU. UM, 9 0 9 NORTH HACKBERRY. I WOULD LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. OKAY. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET, ACTUALLY. UM, WE'RE, THERE YOU GO. YEAH, I'M HERE WITH HACKBERRY NOW, ACTUALLY. UM, SO MIKE, IGNORE WHAT I PREVIOUSLY SAID. WE WILL, WE'LL REVIEW YOUR CASE NOW. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 3 24 9 0 9 NORTH HACKBERRY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO, TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND TWO ONE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT MOD. 9 0 9 NORTH HACKBERRY LOCATED WITHIN THE DICK WOODY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH Z WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE SETBACKS OF BOTH PRIMARY STRUCTURES ON NORTH HACKBERRY BE INCREASED TO BE GREATER THAN THE SETBACK ON NORTH HACKBERRY OF THE STRUCTURE AT 5 27. HAYES IS NOTED IN FINDING G TWO THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE OR UTILIZE A LOWER FLOOR TO CEILING PLATE HEIGHT TO REDUCE THE OVERALL MASSING. THREE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE THE RELATIONSHIP OF SOLIDS, THE VOIDS IN REGARDS TO WINDOW OPENING SIZES AND FENESTRATION PATTERNS. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS L AND BBB AFRICA MEN'S, THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE SIDES BETTER VOID A ADMINISTRATION AND THAT THE WINDOW GROUPINGS HEIGHT IN WHICH SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THERE'S ALSO A CASE COMMENT IN REGARDS TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FOUNDATION INSPECTION. ADD THE APPLICANT, UH, MICHAEL GUAY ON THE LINE NOW. THANK YOU. O H P STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MIKE GARRIN SWAY MY WIFE. THERES AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF 9 0 9 NORTH BERRY. I'M JOINED TODAY WITH MY ARCHITECT BRIAN SOWELL. UH, I'D LIKE TO START BY GIVING A SHORT DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY IN A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AS IT RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AS THE PROPERTY SITS ON THE CORNER OF HACKBERRY AND FA WAY, FA WAY IS A CITY ALLEY IN BETWEEN HAY STREET AND LAMAR STREET. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SITS IN BETWEEN 5 27 HAY STREET AND NON HISTORIC HOME THAT ADDRESSES HAY STREET IN A NON HISTORIC COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT ADDRESSES HACKBERRY. UH, IT'S CURRENTLY BEING OPERATED AT A C STORE IN THIS STRETCH OF HACKBERRY BETWEEN HAYES AND LAMAR. THERE ARE FIVE HOMES. THREE OF THE HOMES ADDRESS HACKBERRY. ONE ADDRESSES HAYES AND THE OTHER ADDRESSES LAMAR SETBACKS ON THE BLOCK RANGE FROM FOUR FEET TO EIGHT FEET. WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THROUGH SEVERAL RENDITIONS AND MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A CONCEPT THAT WAS MET WITH OVERWHELMING SUPPORT AND APPROVAL THROUGH BOTH THE REZONING AND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL PROCESS. WE WERE ON THE JULY 21ST AGENDA WHERE STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH SIX STIPULATIONS. WE ACCEPTED FIVE OF THE STIPULATIONS AND ASKED TO BE PULLED FOR INDEPENDENT CONSIDERATION FOR THE SETBACK STIPULATION. UH, THE INTENTION ATTENTION WENT TO THE F WAGE DRIVEWAYS, WHICH ULTIMATELY RESULTED IN A REFERRAL TO ATTEND A D R C MEETING. WITH THE HELP OF OUR ARCHITECTS AND THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE CALL, WE CONCLUDED THE D R C MEETING WITH DESIGN CONCEPT ALL A FEW DAYS FOLLOWING THE CALL, WE SUBMITTED EXHIBITS TO O H P THAT ADDRESSED ALL THE STIPULATIONS MINUS THE SETBACK. DURING O H P SUBSEQUENT [00:15:01] VIEW OF THE SUBMITTED DOCUMENT, THEY REMOVED ALL THE PREVIOUS STIPULATIONS EXCEPT FOR THE SETBACK. HOWEVER, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS CAME BACK REGARDING WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. THESE NEW STIPULATIONS WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY NOTED IN THE FINDINGS ON THE JULY 21ST H D R C MEETING. I'D LIKE TO ASK OUR ARCHITECT, BRIAN TO GIVE A BRIEF ACCOUNT OF HIS PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH O H P REGARDING WINDOW AND DOOR AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. THIS IS BRIAN FAL. I'M THE, UH, ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. UM, I MET WITH O H P STAFF BACK IN, UH, DIGIT OVER A VIDEO CALL BACK IN EARLY APRIL REGARDING, UM, WINDOWS SIZES THAT TIME BASED ON SOME COMMENTS EARLY ON. UM, DURING MY MEETING, WE DISCUSSED, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THEIR WINDOW GROUPINGS AND METHODS OF ARTICULATION. UM, DURING THE MEETING, WE DISCUSSED AND EMPHASIZED FROM THE VERTICALITY OF ADJACENT STRUCTURES IN TERMS OF THEIR, THEIR WINDOW, UM, SIZES AND, UM, PORTIONS. AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING, WE, UH, REVISED OUR DESIGN AT THE TIME WE HAD, UH, WINDOWS THAT WERE GROUPED WITH, UM, SIMPLE MULIAN DIVIDERS AND SEPARATED OUT THE WINDOWS TO BE INDIVIDUAL, UH, DOUBLE HUNG, SEPARATED BY FULL FRAMING WITH, UH, TRIM, AS WELL AS MADE THE WINDOWS MUCH TALLER TO, UH, REFLECT SIMILAR, UH, PROPORTIONS FOUND THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SPECIFICALLY THOSE, THE MEDIA THAT ACROSS FROM US, SUCH AS 9 0 2 AND 9 0 6 NORTH HACKBERRY. SO WE FEEL THAT, UM, WE SUBSTANTIALLY MET WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE TIME. THANKS BRIAN. UH, TODAY WE ARE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE SETBACK ON THE PLAN TO BE PROVED AS DRAWN WITH THE SEVEN FOOT SIX SETBACK. IN ADDITION, WE ARE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER APPROVING THE PLANS PERTAINING TO THE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AS DRAWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, CORY, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, WE DO. UM, THIS COMES FROM SCOTT ALBERT ON BEHALF OF SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THE DIGNITY HILL RESORT DISTRICT. WE SUPPORT STAFF. WE ALSO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO FIND A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THE PROPOSED COMMON SEWER LINE AND PROPOSED SEWER LINE IN FEIN WAY ALLEY. UH, COMMON SEWER LINES ARE ALLOWED IN APARTMENT CONSTRUCTION, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN SINGLE FAMILY CONSTRUCTION. THIS DECISION IS LIKELY TO CAUSE FUTURE PROBLEMS. ALSO, THERE IS NO SEWER LINE IN FEIN WAY ALLEY TO CONNECT TO AND AN ISSUE THAT HAS AN ISSUE THAT HAS DELAYED OTHER PROJECTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONTRIBUTING, UH, TO OUR VACANT BUILDING. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I WILL SAY THAT AT THE LAST D R C MEETING, WE DISCUSSED THE CURB CUTS ON FE WAY, AND, UH, AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT AND ARCHITECT, UH, THEY CAME BACK WITH THE PLAN THAT IS ON SHEET 26. SO INSTEAD OF A CONTINUOUS 30 FOOT WIDE, UH, DRIVEWAY, IT CUT INTO FE WAY. THEY'RE PROPOSING TWO SEPARATE DRIVEWAYS AND THEN THREE PARKING PADS INSIDE THE FENCE LINE. SO THAT, UH, REDUCES ALL OF THAT, THE MIDDLE SECTION OF THE CURB CUT, WHICH IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE D R C. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. MR. CHAIR, UM, DID THE APPLICANT MENTION ABOUT THE LOCK COVERAGE? WHAT'S THE LOCK COVERAGE NOW WITH THE NEW MODIFICATIONS? SO BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE THAT ANDY? THE LOT COVERAGE, UH, LOT COVERAGE THAT SHOULD BE ON THE COVER SHEET. G 0 0 1, UH, ON THE TOP LEFT CORNER, WE DISCUSSED LOT COVERAGE. SO OUR TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THE LOT IS 5,229 SQUARE FEET, WHICH RESULTS IN A PROPORTION OF 47.8% AS OUR TOTAL LOT AREA IS 10,934 SQUARE FEET. THERE ARE ADDITIONAL BREAKDOWNS IN THAT SCHEDULE, WHICH EXPLAINS THE SIZE OF EACH BUILDING IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I WAS ALSO PRESENT AT THAT, UH, D R C AND, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT AND HIS ARCHITECT FOR EXPLORING WAYS IN WHICH THEY COULD REDUCE THAT, UH, CURB [00:20:01] CUT OFF OF A FE WAY. AND, UM, I THINK THIS IS A, A ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. UM, I THINK WE DID BRIEFLY RE UH, SPEAK TO THE, UH, THE SETBACK OF THE STRUCTURES ON A HACK RATE RELATIVE TO THE BUILDING THAT FACES ONTO HAYES STREET, THAT THEY'RE ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT. IT, THE TWO ON HACKBERRY MAY BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, BUT THAT IN GENERAL, IT SEEMS TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, AT LEAST ON THAT CORNER. SO I I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UH, THE REQUESTED SETBACK. YES, I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT. I THINK THERE WAS WITHIN LESS THAN HALF A FOOT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE FRONTING ON HAYES AND THE PROPOSED SETBACK FOR, FOR THESE TWO, IT MAYBE AS SMALL AS THREE INCH DIFFERENCE. MR. CHAIR? UH, YES SIR. I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE ARE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? THE SETBACK, UH, THE EXPLORATION OF, UH, FLOOR AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SOLIDS TO VOIDS WITH REGARD TO WINDOW OPENING SIZES, ADMINISTRATION. UH, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING THAT ONE AND THREE BE, UM, THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE CASE BEFORE US BE APPROVED WITHOUT ONE AND THREE BEING THAT ONE IS FOR THE MOST PART SATISFIED AND THREE IN DISAGREEMENT. UM, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT TWO IS THE ONLY THING THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT, UH, OPPOSED TO OR IS THAT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF, THERE'S THREE ITEMS BEFORE US WITH RESPECT TO THIS APPLICATION, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ON THE, ON THE LOWER FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT PLATE REDUCTION IDEA? WELL, WE, WE WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO APPROVE HIM AS STRONG. OKAY. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'M, UH, JUST READING THE SILENCE A LITTLE WHILE AGO. I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT WITHOUT ONE, TWO, AND THREE, BUT NOTING THAT ONE, UH, WAS REVIEWED AT D R C AND THAT, UH, UH, UH, GENERAL AGREEMENT WAS, WAS MADE. AND, AND JUST MY THINKING PRIMARILY IN THE MOTION THAT THAT THREE IS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE, I AM VIEWING THE DESIGN AS ONE STATEMENT, ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT BY THE DESIGNER. THIS IS THE WAY THEY INTENDED. AND, UM, TWO, THE CEILING, THE HEIGHT PLATE TO ME, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE INTERIOR OF THE PROJECT WHEN THE KIND OF, THE, THE PROPORTIONS ARE REALLY, REALLY NICELY DONE. AND IT, IT, IT, IT LOOKS WELL BALANCED. SO THAT'S MY MOTION APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UM, I WOULD SECOND THAT, UH, WITH THE SUGGESTION THAT THE FOUNDATION INSPECTION BE RETAINED IN THE RECOMMENDATION. UH, AND, AND YE YES, MR. CARPENTER, BY ALL MEANS. I, UM, AND, AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED WHY, WHY THAT WASN'T ITEM FOUR, BUT I THOUGHT THAT OUTSIDE OF THE RECOMMENDED ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THAT, THAT, THAT IS A SEPARATE PARAGRAPH IS JUST, UH, DEFAULT. IT'S, IT'S JUST A STATEMENT. SO THAT'S GONNA OCCUR AS PART OF THE PROBING PROCESS. IT'S NOT REALLY A STIPULATION. RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, FISH. AYE, I'M SORRY, FERNANDEZ. AYE. FISH IS, AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. AREOLA. AYE. ZUMAN. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. RU AYE BET, SIR. AYE, MOTION CARRIES. UH, LOFO HAS BEEN DISCONNECTED. WE'RE TRYING TO GET HIM BACK ON, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. OKAY. UH, STEPH, ARE WE READY WITH, UH, REFUGIO? YES. OKAY, [00:25:01] GO AHEAD. ITEM NUMBER 10, [10. Address/Description: 318 REFUGIO ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-386 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Overstreet Design Build, LLC Request: Construction of a rear addition, exterior modifications City Council Dist.: 1  ] H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 86 ADDRESS, THREE 18 RIO STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE CONSTRUCTIVE REAR EDITION IN THE LOCATION OF AN EXISTING UNCOVERED DECK. THE ADDITIONAL MEASURE APPROXIMATELY 140 SQUARE FEET AND TWO PERFORMED FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL THE SCANNING AND C METAL ROOF THAT WE COULD STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH WITHIN IN THE RECOMMENDATION TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIES THE PROPOSED ADMINISTRATION TO FEATURE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS WITH TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS CONFIGURATIONS IN SETS AND DETAILING. THE PROPOSED HORIZONTAL WINDOW SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE A ONE OVER ONE CONFIGURATION AND A VERTICAL ORIENTATION. UPDATED DRAWINGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS THAT MEET STAFF HAVE STIPULATIONS AND THE RECOMMENDATION. AND FOUR THAT THE BOARD AND BEN AND SIDING FEATURES BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE WITH BENS THAT ARE ONE AND A HALF INCHES WIDE. UM, THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SPECIFICALLY THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS AND CONFIGURATIONS, AND I HAVE MARIAL THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE WHO WILL INTRODUCE HERSELF AND THEN SHE WILL INTRODUCE THE HOMEOWNER. JOSHUA, WHO IS ALSO ON THE LINE. MARIELLE, DID YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? OH, HI, MY NAME, MY NAME'S MARICO OVERSTREET. UM, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES. YES. OKAY. UH, I'M THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR MY CLIENT AT THREE 18 FU STREET. UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, ON THE LINE JOSH JENNINGS, ONE OF THE OWNERS JOINING US TODAY. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND. SO MY CLIENT HAD PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF BACK IN DECEMBER 21ST, 2016. AND, UM, BECAUSE IT JUST A LITTLE MISHAP THAT HAPPENED WITH THE FOUNDATION COMPANY THAT DID PERFORM THE FOUNDATION WORK, NEVER ACTUALLY GOT ISSUED A, UM, PERMITS. UH, WE HAVE TO KINDA REDO THIS WHOLE THING, UM, ALL OVER AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE EXPIRATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE HOLDS OF THE 180 DAYS. UM, SO I, I, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I WANNA FOCUS ON THE WINDOWS, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT STEPHANIE, THAT, UM, YOU MENTIONED THE NUMBER ONE ITEM ABOUT THE METAL ROOF, BUT, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOES GET CORRECTED THAT IT, THAT THE MAIN STRUCTURE DOES NOT HAVE METAL ROOF AND IT HAS SHINGLES AND WE ARE JUST GOING WITH THE SHINGLE FOR THE ADDITION AS WELL. UM, I THINK WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT ON EMAIL, BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES NOT GET, YOU KNOW, CONFUSED WITH, WITH THAT LINE ITEM. YEP, YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. UM, SO ON ON THE WINDOW ITEM, UM, ON THE FIRST TIME MY CLIENT HAD SOME DEPOSIT, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THEY HAD, UM, APPROVED A HORIZONTAL WINDOW. UH, SO THE ADDITION, UM, IS A MASTER BATHROOM, UH, WITH A SMALL CLOSET. AND, UM, AND FOR PRIVACY REASONS, I SEE WHY THE DESIGNER, UM, THE FRENCH MICHIGAN DID A, UH, HORIZONTAL WINDOWS. UM, IT IS, YOU KNOW, AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE WHERE IT'S NOT REALLY GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UM, SO I DON'T SEE THE ISSUE OF HAVING HORIZONTAL WINDOWS IN THE BACK. AND WE'RE ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, CALLING IF WE CAN DO VINYL, UH, UH, A UM, THERE'S A BACK ADDITION THAT WAS DONE AT A, UM, ALSO THAT ALSO CURRENTLY HAS VINYL WINDOWS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. SO, UM, WE'RE JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND GET APPROVAL FOR THE WAY THE WINDOWS ARE, UM, BEING REQUESTED WITH, UM, WITH THE HORIZONTAL DESIGN AND A VINYL FINISH, WE ARE ALSO REPLACING A FRENCH DOOR IN THE BACK, AND THOSE WILL BE WOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO, WE DO NOT. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. YES, MA'AM. TO THE APPLICANT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SO IT'S THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION. THAT'S THE ONLY WINDOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? UH, I, I MAKE SURE THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, YES, THAT, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. THE, THE WEST FACING WINDOW, THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW, AND THAT IS THE, THE WEST SIDE IS SIDE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY, UH, BACK IN 2018 GOT APPROVAL THAT DECKING EXTENDS INTO THE SIDE SETBACK AND THE REAR SETBACK. AND WE GOT AN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD ADJUSTMENTS BACK IN 18 ON THAT WEST FACING WALL BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THERE WAS A STIPULATION THAT THE, [00:30:01] UH, WALL BE FIRE RATED AND THAT THEY WINDOW IN THERE ALSO BE FIRE RATED. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE TIME. AND I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M THE HOMEOWNER. MY NAME IS JOSHUA JENNINGS. THANKS FOR, UH, HEARING THE CASE TODAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND SO THAT'S THE BACK THAT ACTUALLY PROTRUDES A LITTLE BIT OUTRIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THE SIDE. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE, AND I GUESS THAT'S, LET ME SEE, I'M TRYING TO, UH, RIGHT BELOW THAT, WHICH MUST BE THE SOUTH ELEVATION, UM, TO STEP, ARE WE, YOU, ONE OF YOUR STIPULATIONS, IS THAT ALSO CONCERNING THOSE THREE WINDOWS, THE TWO TOGETHER AND THEN THE SINGLE, THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT SIZE? CORRECT. SO THOSE HAVE THE CORRECT, UM, PROPORTIONALITY, THOSE ARE REQUESTED TO BE, UM, SINGLE LIGHT CASEMENT WINDOWS. YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE SWING ILLUSTRATED ON THERE. SO THOSE ARE ALSO FACTORED INTO THAT STIPULATION. YEAH. SO TO THE APPLICANT, UM, SO WE'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT STIPULATION TWO AND THREE. UM, WE DO USUALLY ASK FOR THE TRADITIONAL SIZE WINDOWS. SO I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE, UM, AND THIS IS A, YOU CAN CALL THIS LIKE THE ADDITION, RIGHT? IT'S THE NEWER, UM, PART OF THE HOUSE MM-HMM. . UM, I'M, I'M USUALLY MORE, MORE LENIENT. I, I I, I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE VINYL MATERIAL BECAUSE THAT'S MATERIAL THAT WE ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT, UM, THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT. BUT THE GUIDELINES, UM, DO SHOW YOU CAN DO, UM, I THINK IT'S METAL, BUT THE STAFF CAN TELL YOU WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT VINYL. UM, I AM, I'M A LITTLE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT THIRD WINDOW COULD BE EQUAL IN SIZE FROM THE TWO NEXT TO IT? OR IS THAT KITCHEN, OR WHAT IS IT THAT'S A, THAT THAT SMALLER WINDOW ON THE SOUTH FACING WALL IS ACTUALLY A WINDOW THAT GIVES LIGHT TO A CLOSET. CLOSET. MM-HMM. . SO FULL SIZE WINDOW WOULD EAT INTO SOME OF THE STORAGE OPTIONS THAT WERE BUILT INTO THE INTERIOR OF THAT CLOSET. AND THEN, UH, JOSH, IF I CAN ALSO, UM, WE ALSO HAD DISCUSSED ABOUT THE, UM, UM, INSTEAD OF DOING THE TWO VERTICAL WINDOWS, THE LARGER ONES SINCE THE, THE SHOWER'S ACTUALLY RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE WINDOWS, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, ACTUALLY DOING A, ANOTHER VERTICAL ONE THERE OVER THE SHOWER TO GIVE THE OWNERS MORE PRIVACY. AND THEN WE COULD DO TWO SMALLER, YOU KNOW, NOT AS TALL, UH, VERTICAL WINDOWS. UM, ON, ON OFF TO THE RIGHT OF THE VERTICAL ONE OVER THE SHOWER. I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU. UM, YOU MEAN HORIZONTAL WHERE THE SHOWER IS? SO THE FIRST WINDOW ON, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR ON THE LEFT AS WOULD BE TURN INTO A VERTICAL ONE. 'CAUSE THE SHOWERS ACTUALLY RIGHT BEHIND THAT. UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY CONCERN FOR PRIVACY. IT, IT'S PART OF, SORRY, IT IS ALREADY VERTICAL. YOU MEAN HORIZONTAL? YEAH, I'M SAYING THE FIRST ONE. THE FIRST ONE. IF WE COULD CHANGE IT TO A HORIZONTAL ONE. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN PUSH OVER TO THE RIGHT, THE OTHER TWO WINDOWS AND MAKE THOSE BE EQUAL IN SIZE. OH, OKAY. SO YOU'RE THINKING, YOU, YOU WERE THINKING MORE HORIZONTAL ON THE, ON FIRST ONE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE. YES. AND THEN PUSH, PUSH TWO SIMILAR SIZE WINDOWS, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE TOWARDS THE RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M, THESE IS STILL, UH, NOT THE, YOU KNOW, MOST COMMON ADMINISTRATION DESIGNS THAT WE USUALLY FIND. I WOULD, UH, LOVE TO HEAR FROM MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I WANNA START WITH STIPULATION THREE. THAT IS THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS. I, I CANNOT SUPPORT, UH, VINYL WINDOWS THAT'S NOT USUALLY SUPPORTED. THERE ARE SOME VERY RARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE, UH, THOSE ARE SUPPORTED. BUT, UH, GIVEN THAT THE HOUSE HAS WOOD WINDOWS AND IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, I THINK THIS REFERS TO, UH, FULLY WOOD OR, UM, OR, UH, CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE MATERIAL, UM, FOR THESE, FOR THESE NEW WINDOWS. AND I ALSO TEND TO AGREE WITH STAFF THAT THESE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS ARE PARTICULARLY PROBLEMATIC. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WEST ELEVATION IS NOT VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND VEGETATION OBSCURES IT, BUT IT ISN'T REAR FACING, IT'S SIDE FACING FROM RIO, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, YES. SORRY. IT'S AT THE, IT'S [00:35:01] AT THE VERY BACK OF THE SOUTHWEST OF THE LOT. BUT YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S DRIVEWAY THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, ON THE PROPERTY LINE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. SO YES, YOU, YOU COULD TECHNICALLY SEE IT EVEN THOUGH OUR STREET IS VERY NARROW. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? YEAH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS AND ALSO THE MATERIAL. UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE EAST ELEVATION, THERE IS A SMALL, IT LOOKS TO BE A SQUARE WINDOW. IS THAT, UM, WHAT MATERIAL IS THAT MADE OF AND DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE? SO, UM, SO THE, THE ON THE EAST ELEVATION, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE, THE, THE TALLEST PART OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, SO NOT THAT LITTLE SMALL WINDOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ORIGINAL 1896 PART OF THE HOUSE. THE BACK PART THAT YOU'RE SEEING WHERE THAT SMALL WINDOW IS, IS THE PART THAT WAS ADDED IN THE FIFTIES. SO THIS IS WHERE ALL YOUR PLUMBING AND ALL THAT STUFF COMES INTO PLAY. SO THAT SMALL WINDOW THAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT THERE IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE WINDOW THAT GETS SOME LIGHT INTO THE BATHROOM, WHICH IS SORT OF AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WHERE YOU GO THROUGH A KITCHEN TO GET THERE. AND THE CURRENT, UH, WINDOW IS, IT'S LIKE A FROSTED WINDOW. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GREAT WINDOW. UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MATERIAL AND I QUESTION IT, IT, OH, SORRY, SORRY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MATERIAL IS. IT DOESN'T HAVE A TRADITIONAL WINDOW STRUCTURE. LIKE IT DOESN'T HAVE A FRAME. SO IT'S NOT LIKE A VINYL OR A WOOD CLAD. IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS JUST LIKE A GLA LIKE A, THEY DID LIKE A GLAZE AND THEN THEY TRIPPED AROUND IT. THERE'S NO ACTUAL LIKE WINDOW FRAME. IT'S NOT OPERABLE OR ANYTHING. UM, CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THE, THE SMALLER SQUARE WINDOW ON THE EXISTING, UH, 1950S ADDITION ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHAT MATERIAL IS THAT? IS THAT WOOD OR THAT'S A VINYL? THAT'S A VINYL. IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A VINYL WINDOW. VINYL WINDOW. SO OUR, OUR, THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNERS PRIOR TO, UH, LE BACA BEING HISTORIC DE DESIGNATED ACTUALLY PUT IN SINGLE PANE VINYL WINDOWS THROUGHOUT OUR HOUSE PRIOR, PRIOR TO US BUYING IT. AND SO ALMOST ALL THE, UH, WINDOWS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN OUR HOME ARE SINGLE PANE VINYL WINDOWS, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY WHEN WE ORIGINALLY WENT, WENT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, WAS, WENT WITH THE VINYL WINDOWS. IT WAS, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT THINGS THAT ARE AT THE HOUSE. SO EVEN THE, THE HISTORIC PORTION HAS, WAS REPLACED WITH VINYL? THAT'S CORRECT. PRIOR TO LAVACCA BEING, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER. THEY STILL LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY, THEY, WELL THEY LIVE IN KING WILLIAMS, BUT THEY OWN A COUPLE HOMES HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MR. MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER VELASQUE. I GOT SOME QUESTIONS. UH, TELL ME WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE VINYL WINDOWS ARE. IS THERE ONE WOOD WINDOW? UH, IN THE HOME? YEAH, IN THE HOME? MM-HMM. . THERE THERE IS ZERO WOOD, WOOD WINDOWS IN OUR HOME. EVERY, EVERY WINDOW WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, THE LITTLE TINY ONE THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT ON EAST VIEW ON EAST FACING EVERY OTHER WINDOW IN OUR HOME IS CURRENTLY A VINYL WINDOW. OKAY. SINGLE, SINGLE PANE. OKAY. LEMME ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I MIGHT MAYBE HAVE STAFF IN THERE AS WELL. UH, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, UH, YOU HAVE TWO WINDOWS, LARGE WINDOWS. THOSE WINDOWS ARE INSIDE OF THE RESTROOM, RIGHT? MM-HMM. ER, INSIDE THE PATH. MM-HMM. UM, OKAY. WHY DO YOU HAVE TWO WINDOWS AND NOT ONE WINDOW? I, I, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU. 'CAUSE WE HIRED AN ARCHITECT DRAW IT. IT'S NOT A FLUKER PASS QUESTION BECAUSE YEAH, IT, I I THINK IF IT'S, IF IT'S, UM, WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S NOT A DIVIDING LIGHT IN THE WAY THE WINDOW IS DRAWN, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK CONSISTENT IF YOU PUT A DIVIDING LIGHT IN IT, I THINK IT STARTS TO MOVE IN THE, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS A DRAWING I'M TALKING ABOUT. RIGHT. AND THEN MM-HMM. . OKAY. YOU GET TO THE OTHER WINDOW THAT IS ODDLY SHAPED OR, OR IT'S A DIFFERENT RECTANGLE SHAPE OR DIMENSION THAT AS WELL, IF IT HAD A DIVIDER IN IT, BUT I, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE OFF PROPORTION TOO, THEN MAYBE IT'S SMALLER. THE OTHER THING IS THAT ON YOUR HORIZONTAL WINDOW, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF IT'S ABOUT BRINGING LIGHT IN, BUT NOT ABOUT DESIGN, RIGHT? UM, MM-HMM. , I'M NOT SURE THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW REALLY MATTERS THAT IT COULD BE A HORIZONTAL WINDOW THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, I MEAN IT COULD BE A [00:40:01] VERTICAL WINDOW THAT WAS SMALL PROPORTION, SMALL SO THAT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, I HATE TO USE THE WORD, BUT PRETTY, RIGHT? WHERE IT'S A LITTLE WINDOW THAT HAS A DIVIDING LIGHT THAT IS MADE OUT OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS MADE OUT TO GIVE THE DIMENSION THAT MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE MARRIED TO YOUR HORIZONTAL WINDOW TO ACHIEVE LIGHT AND PRIVACY OKAY. AND ALL THOSE THINGS, RIGHT. AND THEN YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT BETTER MEET THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF STAFF, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE MATERIAL NESS. IF THERE WERE NO WOOD WINDOWS, IF, IF THERE WERE WOOD WINDOWS IN THIS HOUSE, I THINK IT KINDA HOLDS YOU TO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A 95% RULE. BUT IF THEY'RE ALL VINYL AND YOU'RE MATCHING THE VINYL THAT'S THERE, OR AT LEAST UPGRADING IT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THE HOUSE IS, IS CREATING A CONTRADICTION THAT ALL THINGS BEING FAIR IS THE LANGUAGE OF THE WINDOWS OF THE HOUSE. SO, UM, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT, THAT, THAT IT'S A MAKE OR BREAK BECAUSE YOU ARE SAYING THAT 99% OF THE WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE ARE, ARE VINYL WINDOWS. MM-HMM. , UM, YEAH. WE ONLY WISH THAT THEY WOULD'VE PUT IN DOUBLE PANE. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY, WHY, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THE WINDOW TO THE LEVEL OF A, OF A WOOD OR A WOOD CLADED WINDOW. 'CAUSE TYPICALLY THEY COME ALREADY WITH ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES ONCE YOU HIT THAT LEVEL. BUT, BUT ON THE, ON THE LINE OF THE WINDOW, OF THE WINDOW OF, OF THE WAY THAT YOUR FENESTRATION IS THERE, THAT ONE ELEVATION HAS THE TWO WINDOWS AND THE ONE WINDOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK BALANCED. IT SEEMS THAT YOU COULD DO MORE WITH LESS, GET THE, GET THE DIVIDING LIGHTS IN. AND THEN WITH THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW, I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK MUCH MORE BALANCED ALSO. IT WOULD BEAT THE, IT WOULD GET CLOSER TO WHAT I THINK IS BEING RECOMMENDED IS TO HAVE A WINDOW THAT WAS AN UP AND DOWN WITH A LARGER DIMENSION IN THE VERTICAL THAN IN THE HORIZONTAL TO GIVE YOU THAT, THAT KIND OF NICE BALANCE OF A WINDOW, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TWEAK THOSE 'CAUSE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW JUST, IT DOESN'T LOOK QUITE RIGHT. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. UM, I HAVE JUST ONE MORE THOUGHT HERE AND MAYBE, MAYBE I CAN GET TO A MOTION IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER, OTHER COMMENTS. UM, I WAS REVIEWING THE PREVIOUS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR, THAT WAS ISSUED IN 2016, AND THOSE WINDOWS IN THE REAR EDITION, THEIR PROPORTIONS AREN'T, UH, SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED, BUT THE MATERIAL IS IN THE ORIGINAL THAT IT BE WOOD, UH, OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY TO THE APPLICANT THAT IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN THE FUTURE, THAT THAT SAME STANDARD WOULD APPLY TO THE REPLACED WINDOWS, WHICH IS WHY STAFF IS ENCOURAGING THAT THESE NEW WINDOWS MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HISTORIC WINDOWS ARE LOST, BUT THE MATERIALITY WHEN YOU GO TO REPLACE THOSE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSE. SO I THINK THE NEW WINDOWS GOING IN NOW SHOULD BE AT A, AT A STANDARD CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. UM, SO I, OKAY, I MOVE FOR, UM, APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION ONE, MODIFY STIPULATION ONE TO ALSO ALLOW FOR SHINGLES AS MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT. AND, UH, STIPULATIONS THREE AND FOUR. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? AND JUST TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU ARE REMOVING STIPULATION TWO FROM THAT FROM THE MOTION? YES. STIPULATION, STIPULATION, UM, TWO WOULD REQUIRE MODIFICATION TO THE WINDOWS THAT WERE ALREADY PRESENTED AND RECEIVED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO THAT'S MY RATIONALE THERE, MR. CHAIR. I, I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING THOUGH INSIDE OF IT, UH, THOUGH, THOUGH, ODDNESS TO THE RULE, RIGHT? IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE VINYL AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US, THEN IF THE APPLICANT WAS REPLACING THE WINDOW WITH THIS, THEY COULD REPLACE WITH THE CEILING. SO WHILE, UH, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE, THE, OR THIS, OR THE GUIDELINE WOULD SAY THAT IT'S RECOMMENDED TO BE A CERTAIN MATERIAL AN APPLICANT WOULD HAVE, WHICH WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULDN'T, RIGHT? BUT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO REPLACE IN THAT 1, 4, 1 RULE, RIGHT? WITH THE EXACT SAME WINDOW OR THEIR WITHIN THE SAME TOLERANCE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE WINDOW. SO, UH, JUST JUST SO THAT THE OTHER CASES THAT WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THAT SAME SITUATION, SO THAT AT LEAST IN THE DIALOGUE WE'RE IN THE SAME PARALLEL WITH [00:45:01] ALL THE REST OF YOU. THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT I WANT. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, GUYS. THANK YOU. UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I WANTED TO COMMISSIONER FISH TO RESTATE THE REASON WHY HE, WHY HE'S LEAVING, UH, STIPULATION TO OUT OF THE MOTION, JUST FOR CLARITY PURPOSES. SO STIPULATION TWO IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW. UM, I AGREE WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS AND THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, BUT I ALSO, UH, BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND THAT THAT SHOULD BE UPHELD. THAT'S MY PRIMARY. SO FOR THE SAKE OF HONORING THE, THE PREVIOUS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE STRIKING THAT ONE IF I UNDERSTAND. YES. YEAH. YES. AND I ALSO BELIEVE IT IS VERY MINIMALLY VISIBLE AND IN A, IN A LOW CEILING SITUATION WHERE FULL SCALE, UH, VERTICAL WINDOWS, UH, CREATE SOME VISUAL ISSUES. BUT, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I, YEAH, I, I CONCUR WITH THAT THOUGH. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO RECONSIDER IF THEY COULD DO A SERIES OF SMALL SQUARE WINDOWS AND STILL GET THE SAME EFFECT, SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR, UH, UH, ER GLASGOW WAS SAYING. YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIRES TO GET LIGHT IN THERE, UH, THE HORIZONTAL ASPECT RATIO OF THAT WINDOW IS A BIT ODD. UH, BUT I, I'LL SUPPORT THIS MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, FISH? AYE, I'M SO SORRY. COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. AYE FISH WAS AN AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. ERON? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE. BUTZER. AYE. , I WAS TEMPORARILY, UH, DISCONNECTED FROM THE MEETING AND MISSED PART OF THE DISCUSSION, SO I WILL ABSTAIN. THAT'S FINE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NEXT ITEM WILL BE, SORRY, I LOST MY MISSED TERM. UH, 19 2 3. TWO LAVACCA. STEPHANIE IS CALLING THAT APPLICANT RIGHT NOW. SETH, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. I ALL RIGHT, I AM ON. ARE Y'ALL READY? WE'RE READY. ALL RIGHT. [19.   Address/Description: 232 LAVACA ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-380 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Clint Belew Request: Removal of rear addition, construction of a 2-story rear addition, exterior modifications City Council Dist.: 1  ] ITEM NUMBER 19, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH THREE EIGHT ADDRESS, 2 32 LACA STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL TWO-STORY REAR EDITION TWO, CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO-STORY REAR EDITION. THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH COLUMNS WITH NEW SQUARE BOX COLUMNS WITH THE DECORATIVE BASE. STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH P STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE, THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION BE REDUCED IN HEIGHT AND MASSING WORK, FEASIBLE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH REAR ADDITIONS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT, AKA SUBORDINATE TO PRIMARY STRUCTURES, OR COMPARABLE TO THE HEIGHTENED SCALE OF THE EXISTING REAR ADDITION TO BE REMOVED. AND AS NOTED IN FINDINGS G AND J TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIED THE PROPOSED FORM TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING REFORMS ON THE LOT AND THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC ROOF FORMS AS NOTED IN BINDING J. STAFF RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE A SIMILAR ROOF FORM, AS IN ADDITION, THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE APPROPRIATE WINDOW SIZES AND PROPORTIONS TWO, AND MODIFY THE, UM, OVERALL FENESTRATION PATTERN IS KNOWN IN FINDING H FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE MATERIAL PALLETS THAT MINIMIZE THE VISUAL WEIGHT OF THE REAR ADDITION. AS KNOWN IN I BINDING EYE FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN ALL EXISTING WINDOW LOCATIONS AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A WINDOW SCHEDULE THAT ILLUSTRATES ANY WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED ON THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE IF APPLICABLE. ALONG WITH THE SUPPORTING EVIDENCE THAT THE WINDOWS SASHES ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR, ALL EXISTING OPENINGS MUST BE RETAINED. AS NOTED FINDINGS [00:50:01] L THROUGH OH SIX THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACES THEIR NON-ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH COLUMNS WITH NEW COLUMNS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE FULL VICTORIAN AND QUEEN AND DESIGN INFLUENCES OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE SUCH AS TURN COLUMNS AND BALLS STRAITS ARE SIMILAR AS NOTED IN BINDING P SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS THAT MEETS STAFF STIPULATIONS AS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF THAT ARE CONSISTENT, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STIPULATIONS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION. AND NINE, THE APPLICANT RETAIN ALL EXISTING CHIMNEYS, DORM EVENTS, DORMER SHINGLES, AND OTHER SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT CLINT, ON THE LINE. CLINT, DID YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WALK US THROUGH THE PROJECT? SURE. HEY EVERYONE, THIS IS CLINT BALLOU. I AM, UH, I LIVE NEXT DOOR AT 2 2 8 LAVACCA, AND WE'VE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR FROM, UH, MY NEIGHBOR OF MANY YEARS. SO, UM, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH HIM AND HOW HE WANTED TO SEE IT BACK IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN HE WANTED TO HAVE IT REDONE. BUT ANYWAY, HE'S VERY EXCITED TO SEE IT COME TO LIFE AND, UH, TO GET BACK TO OVER, UH, ON A TRIP, HE'S GONNA BE TAKING 75. SO ANYWAY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS PRETTY MUCH LEAVE IT, THE, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND, AND JUST RESTORE IT AS IS WE'RE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, UM, REMOVE THE WINDOWS AND OR IF WE DID, WE WOULD WANT TO DO IT AS STAFF RECOMMENDS, WE WANT TO LEAVE, UH, LEAVE, LEAVE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THE WAY IT IS. WE'D LIKE TO DO THE STANDING SCENE THE WAY IT, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE AS HISTORICALLY AS, AS YOU'RE SAYING. UM, AS FAR AS THE REAR ADDITION, UM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GET, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT TWO FEET. SO AS FAR AS KIND OF LIKE ONE THROUGH FOUR IS MAYBE WHERE, UM, MORE OF MY CONFUSION IS, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OUTSIDE OF THAT. I THINK WE, I THINK WE WERE KIND OF ON PAGE, UM, WITH, WITH ALL THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE MATERIAL PALLETS, NUMBER FOUR, UM, THERE'S THREE. THE, THE THREE HOUSES, ALL THREE OF US NEXT DOOR, WE ALL ARE USING LIKE A METAL SIDING, UM, ALL IN DIFFERENT WAYS. UM, CANDIDS THE TWO DOWN FOR ME IS, UM, HAS ALSO GOT METAL, A VERY LARGE ADDITION ON WHAT WAS A SMALL, UH, STONE HOME, AND IT'S ALL METAL, ALL VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. SO, UM, ANYWAY, JUST, JUST TO ADDRESS THAT, WE WE'RE DEFINITELY STAYING AT LEAST WITHIN THE, UH, THE PALLET, UM, MATERIAL I THOUGHT. BUT, UM, LOVE AGAIN TO, TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT. UM, AS FAR AS THE SIZING, IT'S DEFINITELY A MUCH SMALLER, UM, STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, SO MAYBE JUST SOME, SOME CLARIFICATION. THERE'S A ROOF DECK ON TOP, WHICH IS WHY THE, UM, THE ROOF IS FLAT AT THE MOMENT, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I GUESS WE ARE, WE'RE GIVING AN APPEARANCE OF THAT. BUT AGAIN, EVEN THE ONE NEXT TO ME, UM, THEY BUILT A, A REALLY NICE ADDITION, UM, METAL, AND IT'S, IT'S A FLAT ROOF RIGHT ON THE FRONT. SO AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE AT LEAST TRYING TO STAY AGAIN WITHIN, WITHIN THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHAT, UH, AT LEAST A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS, I HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY LETTERS, BUT EVERYBODY'S VERY, UH, VERY EXCITED TO SEE IT COME TOGETHER ON THE LAVACA STREET. WELL, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO, WE DON'T. OKAY. I WAS AT THE, WE HAD A D R C LAST WEEK ON THIS PROJECT, AND, UM, MOST OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAD, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UH, MATERIALS IN THE, THE FORM OF THE ADDITION WERE DISCUSSED AND, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE SHAPE OF THE, THE ROOF FORM IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING HOUSE WERE DISCUSSED. AND, UM, MR. BALLOU, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT HE COULD COME TO THE COMMISSION SINCE HE WAS ALREADY ON THE AGENDA AND GET OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, UH, BEFORE HE, UH, LOOKED AT POSSIBLY REVISING HIS PROPOSAL. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS PROPOSED, UH, ADDITION, UH, CHAIRMAN PITZER. YES, MS. VELAZQUEZ, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I THINK FOR STAFF. UH, CORY, COULD YOU GO TO THE OR WHO SHOULD I BE ADDRESSING? TORY, STEPHANIE. LAUREN. LAUREN, I'M SORRY. ALRIGHT, COULD YOU GO TO THE IMAGE THAT IS THE IMAGE OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS FROM THE STREET? I, OKAY. UM, THERE'S AN IMAGE THAT [00:55:01] HAS THE ADDITION BEHIND IT, RIGHT? THE EXISTING, THERE'S AN, OKAY, FIRST STAB. WHY IS THE DEMOLITION OF THIS ADDITION APPROPRIATE? I, I, AND I'M ASKING BECAUSE I DIDN'T, I I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEMOLITION IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE HEARING. I MEAN, IT IS, UM, I, I MEAN THAT'S ALL PART OF THE EVALUATION IS, IS REMOVAL OF ORIGINAL MATERIALS, HOW THE ADDITION CONNECTS. BUT PARTIAL DEMOLITION WITH APPROVAL OF A NEW ADDITION IS SOMETHING THAT IS REVIEWED PRETTY COMMONLY. UM, AND THIS IS CLEARLY KIND OF A LATER KIND OF PORCH INTERVENTION. YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL, UH, EXTERIOR WALL ACTUALLY WITHIN THAT AREA. UM, SO OUR, OUR REVIEW IS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THE DESIGN OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT IS IT, IS IT AN ADDITION THAT IS LIKE FROM 1970 OR IS IT AN ADDITION FROM 1940 OR IS IT YOU, YOU KNOW, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHAT, DO YOU KNOW IF IT SHOWS ON THE SANBORN MAPS? YEAH, IT'S AN ADDITION THAT COMES AFTER OUR LATEST SANBORN MAP, WHICH IS DATED 1951. OKAY. OKAY. SO, SO, UM, THAT BEING SAID, IT COULD, COULD GO TO THE MODERN IMAGE OF THE, THE, FROM THE FRONT WITH THE, WELL, I GUESS ONE THAT SHOWS MORE PROMINENTLY THE ADDITION. THERE'S ONE THAT SHOWS YOU RIGHT THERE. MY, MY INITIAL COMMENT OR, OR KIND OF LIKE, LIKE REALLY CAN'T GO BEYOND FOR ME, RIGHT? CAN'T GO BEYOND THE COMMENT IS THAT THERE'S NO REAL ARTICULATION BETWEEN WHAT IS OLD AND WHAT IS NEW. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT SELL TO MAKE AN ADDITION THAT FOLLOWS THE SAME GUIDELINE AS THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE. AND IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT SELL TO MAKE A ARGUMENT FOR A COMPLETELY ALIEN WELL DONE ADDITION TO A A PERIOD PIECE. BUT THAT'S ALL REALLY DETERMINED ON HOW YOU ARTICULATE THE TWO, UH, THE JUNCTION BETWEEN WHAT IS HISTORIC AND WHAT IS, UM, WHAT IS MODERN. AND TO ME, THE, TO ME, THE THING THAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ABOUT IS TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW A PERSON IS GOING TO LET, LET'S SAY AN UNEDUCATED PERSON, RIGHT? PERSON THAT'S NOT IN ARCHITECTURE, THAT IS GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE ONE BEGINS AND WHERE ONE ENDS. THAT YOU COULD THINK OF IT LIKE A THRESHOLD. YOU COULD THINK OF IT LIKE A, LIKE A REVEAL IN A, IN A, IN A FLAT PLANE. WHAT, WHAT, WHATEVER IT IS, IT SEEMS THAT THE MATERIALITY IS, IS IS ASKING ITSELF TO MARRY EACH OTHER DIFFERENT PERIODS, AND THEN ONE STARTS TO INFLUENCE THE OTHER. BUT THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IS NOT ONE WHERE ONE IS INFLUENCING THE OTHER. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE THAT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MARRIAGE, TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND THEN THEY COME TOGETHER, BUT THEY'RE STILL DIFFERENT, RIGHT? AND THIS IS JUST, IT'S JUST, THEY'RE KIND OF FORCED TOGETHER. THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT LIMITS OF MY COMMENTS I CAN'T SEE BEYOND MR. CHAIR. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. YES, MA'AM. UM, I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, AND I THINK THAT MOST OF STAFF STIPULATIONS ARE ALSO, I MEAN, THE ONES THAT ARE NOT, UM, THE USUAL THAT WE FIND OR THE STANDING STIPULATIONS ARE VERY MUCH IN RELATIONS TO THIS NEW ADDITION DESIGN. UM, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS NOT ENOUGH FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS I THINK CAN BE MET, BUT SPECIFICALLY STIPULATION ONE, TWO, AND MAYBE THREE, UM, RELATING TO THE, UH, TO THE SIDE EDITION, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING A CONCEPTUAL POOL YET. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. UM, I CONCUR WITH THE COMMENTS OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS HERE. I DON'T THINK THIS ONE IS, IS, UM, APPROACHING ANYTHING THAT I COULD SUPPORT. I THINK THE, THE PROPOSED ADDITION, WHILE I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT BEING, YOU KNOW, MORE CONTEMPORARY AND MATERIALITY AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, IS NOT DEFERENTIAL IN MASSING AND SCALE TO THE HISTORIC HOME. UM, AND I THINK THERE ARE, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE IT EVEN A, UH, AN ELEGANT CON UH, CONTEMPORARY ADDITION TO THIS STRUCTURE. JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT MY OPPOSITION ISN'T ON THE BASIS OF STYLE, BUT IT REALLY IS, UH, THE MASSING, THE SCALE [01:00:01] THAT INTERSECTION BETWEEN OLD AND NEW REALLY NEEDS TO BE, UH, THOUGHT THROUGH IN A MUCH MORE, UH, CONCERTED WAY. SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS. SO ONE OPTION TO THE APPLICANT IS TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THE DESIGN BASED ON THE COMMENTS, ALSO SPECIALLY STAFF STIPULATION. AND THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE WE CAN GO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS ON IDEAS. AND SO I THINK THIS IS NOT THE FORM FOR THAT. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR, UM, MOVE THIS CASE TO D R C AND, AND I WOULD SECOND THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP. UH, MR CHAIR, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT I, I, AND I KNOW THAT THEY CAN DO A D S A ANYTIME IS THAT THEY, UH, REMOVE THEIR, THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION SO THAT THEY'RE NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECTED AND GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. I THINK, I THINK THEY'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD COMMENTS. AND, AND THE, THE, THE, UH, UM, STIPULATIONS OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE PRETTY CLEAR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE GOING AFTER SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE ALIEN. SO IF THEY TAKE A D R C OFF, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT THIS GOING THROUGH, UH, AS A, AS AN APPLICATION, THEY WILL HAVE NO NEGATIVE MARKS AGAINST HIM. THANK YOU. UM, YES, THE APPLICANTS CAN CAN COME TO D R C AT ANY TIME. AND, UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C, UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? UM, NO, I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING. SO DOES THAT MEAN WE, WE WOULD, UH, IT WOULD BE BEST TO TAKE IT OFF AND THEN, UH, GET THE, GET THE NEXT MEETING GOING. I THINK YOU GUYS GAVE US SOME GOOD DIRECTION AND, UM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ABSOLUTELY WORK WITH. OKAY. THANK YOU. A QUESTION FOR STAFF, SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, DO WE VOTE ON IT OR, UH, IF THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, WITHDRAWN THE APPLICATION, HOW DO WE PROCEED? JUST AS A SUGGESTION, THE MOTION OR CAN ALWAYS WITHDRAW THEIR MOTION AND, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST TAKE NO ACTION, BUT, OKAY. I, I SUGGESTED YES, WE'LL, WE'LL WITHDRAW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT. I WAS WAITING FOR ALMA, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S SPEAKING THE, I I THINK, OH, SORRY. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES. YES MA'AM. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. YOU CAN EITHER VOTE ON THE MOTION OR WITHDRAW THE MOTION, UM, OR YOU CAN AMEND THE MOTION TO AT TIME CERTAIN DATE CERTAIN FOR THE D R C HEARING. ALMA, CAN I WITHDRAW A SECOND? SO I'M GONNA SAY, I KNOW THE MOTION STAYS THERE, BUT THEN THEY GOTTA WAIT FOR ANOTHER SECOND, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND AND LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER SECOND. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE WITHDRAWING THE MOTION AND THE APPLICANT HAS PULLED THE APPLICATION AND, UH, GO BACK AND, AND DO SOME FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. YES, I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON. UM, ITEM 20. THANK YOU THERE WITH THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU MR. BLUM. YES. AGENDA ITEM 20 [20. Address/Description: 615 E EVERGREEN HDRC Case No.: 2021-360 Historic District Name: Tobin Hill Applicant: TX3 PROPERTIES LLC Request: Demolition of garage with new construction, construction of a 1-story rear addition, window replacement, fenestration modifications, front porch modifications, roof replacement, and driveway replacement City Council Dist.: 1  ] H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 360 6 15 EAST EVERGREEN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY 308 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH AN ATTACHED CARPORT. THREE, REDUCE THE LENGTH OF THE FRONT PORCH. FOUR, CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY, 323 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION. FIVE, INSTALL A REAR COVERED PATIO. SIX, REMOVE AND ENCLOS FOUR EXISTING WINDOWS SEVEN. REPLACE 22 EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS EIGHT. REPLACE THE EXISTING STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF ON THE MAIN HOUSE. AND NINE, REPLACE THE EXISTING RIBBON DRIVEWAY WITH A FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE MATERIALS FROM THE HISTORIC ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING SALVAGEABLE WOOD SIDING AND WOOD DOORS BE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE FOR FU UH USE IN FUTURE CONSTRUCTION. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS G THROUGH M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD, A FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOOR TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL LOT COVERAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A [01:05:01] CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE TOTAL BUILDING FOOTPRINT SHOULD NOT EXCEED 50% OF THE TOTAL LOT AREA. ITEM THREE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH MODIFICATION BASED ON FINDING N. ITEM FOUR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS O THROUGH T WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE OR INSTALLED ON THE REAR ADDITION. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS AS NOTED IN BIN R. THE R AND SS THE APPLICANT IS REQUI, UH, REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS SHOWING WINDOWS ON THE REAR ADDITION THAT MATCH THE EXISTING WINDOW PROPORTIONS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS ON THE REAR. ADDITION. AS NOTED IN BINDING S, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. ITEM FIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A COVERED REAR PATIO BASED ON BINDING YOU WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE REAR PATIO TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM SIX, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REMOVAL AND ENCLOSURE BASED ON FINDING. V. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE RETAINED AND REPAIRED IN PLACE. ITEM SEVEN, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS W THROUGH Z. THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES ALWAYS RECOMMEND THAT THE REPAIR OF HISTORIC AGE WINDOWS BE PRIORITIZED OVER REPLACEMENT. IF THE H T R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WITH WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOWS, STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND TWO, THAT THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE OR DONATED TO A LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE STORE. ITEM EIGHT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH THE COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF BASED ON FINDING AA. AND ITEM NINE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING RIBBON DRIVEWAY WITH A FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY BASED ON FINDING BB AND THE APPLICANT. AND OWNER, MONTY CALDERONE IS ON THE LINE. MONTY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SPEAK TO YOUR REQUEST AT THIS TIME? UH, YES. THIS IS MONTY CALDERONE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. UM, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS. THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS HERE, SO I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE ONES THAT WE CAN ELIMINATE QUICKEST, UM, AND GET TO THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES. UM, THE FIRST ONE DISCUSSING THE, UH, COVERAGE ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UM, THE COVER WERE PATIO, SO THAT COVERED PATIO IS 196 SQUARE FEET. AND WHEN YOU ADD IN THE ADDITION OF THE REAR ADDITION ON THE BACK, UM, LEMME GO THROUGH THESE NUMBERS REAL QUICK. SO, CURRENTLY WE HAVE LIVING OF 1322, WE HAVE A FRONT PORCH OF 163 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE ADDING LIVING OF 323 SQUARE FEET, 308 SQUARE FEET FOR THE GARAGE, 280 FOR THE CARPORT, AND 196 FOR THE BACK PORCH. SO THE NEW ADDITION OF COVERED IS 1,107, WHICH GIVES US A TOTAL EXISTING AND NEW SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 2,592. UM, WHEN YOU TAKE IN THE, UH, LOT SIZE OF 7,896, ACCORDING TO THE TAX DISTRICT, THAT GIVES US A TOTAL LOT COVERAGE OF 32.8%. THAT'S WELL BELOW THE 50% THAT, UH, MAX THAT'S REQUIRED. UM, GETTING TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, HOLD ON REAL QUICK. SORRY. LET'S SKIP SIX ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. UM, THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, UH, REPLACING THAT WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLE. UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY MY BELIEF THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF WAS WOOD SHAKE STEER, WOOD SHAKE. SO THAT GETS US TO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON IF WE WANT TO GO WITH A COMPOSITION ROOF THAT MORE MATCHES THE ORIGINAL WOOD SHAKE ROOF, OR IF WE GO WITH THE METAL SEA ROOF THAT MATCHES WHAT IS THERE CURRENTLY. UM, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME. UM, AND I AM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM ELIMINATING THIS ITEM AND KEEPING A METAL ROOF, BUT I AM GONNA SEEK REPLACEMENT BECAUSE THE ROOF THAT IS EXISTING IS IN VERY POOR SHAPE, IS A DENTED. THERE ARE SEAMS THAT HAVE BECOME UNLEVEL AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WATER PENETRATION, A LOT OF, UM, RUBBER AND CEMENT HAS BEEN PUT ON THAT ROOF. SO ANYWAY, I'M HOPING THAT I CAN GET APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL ROOF WITH ANOTHER METAL ROOF. UM, THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, REPLACING THAT WITH A FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, UM, ON THAT AS WELL. I DO NOT, [01:10:01] UM, WANT TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. I'M FINE REPLACING IT WITH A NEW RIBBON DRIVEWAY. THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY IS BROKEN IN MANY PLACES. IT'S NOT IN THE POSITION. IT'S TOO LOW TO ALLOW PROPER DRAINAGE. SO I'M ASKING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING RIBBON DRIVEWAY WITH A NEW RIBBON DRIVEWAY, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELOCATE IT AND RESIZE IT TO UPDATE IT. TO FIT TODAY'S MODERN CARS. UM, GETTING TO THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS, WE WILL START WITH MY REQUEST TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS. UM, IF YOU START, UH, ON THE, IF YOU START WITH NUMBER 51, YOU WILL START SEEING THE PICTURES OF THE INTERIOR OF THE WINDOWS. AND IF YOU WANT TO, UM, JUST KIND OF SLOWLY SCROLL DOWN SO THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN SEE THE CONDITION, THE, THIS HOUSE, UNFORTUNATELY HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED AT ALL. UM, THE CONDITION OF IT IS HORRIBLE. UH, I ALREADY RECEIVED A PERMIT TO DEMOLISH THE INTERIOR. SO THE ONLY THING THAT, THE ONLY PAINTED MATERIALS RIGHT NOW THAT REMAIN ARE JUST THE WINDOWS ALL TRIM, UM, ALL SHEET ROCK AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN REMOVED. SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE WINDOW PICTURES, YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL S SEALS ARE DAMAGED. THEY'RE EITHER ROTTED OR DAMAGED, UM, AND THERE'S JUST EXTENSIVE DAMAGE TO THEM. REAL QUICK, BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER INTO THE WINDOWS, UM, A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON ME. I'VE BEEN REMODELING AND BUILDING HOUSES FOR 21 YEARS NOW. I MOVED HERE FROM AUSTIN THREE YEARS AGO, UH, BECAUSE I WAS DOING MORE AND MORE WORK HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, MOSTLY SPENDING MY TIME IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE WITH THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND SAVING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND DESIGN FEATURES OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, I PREVIOUSLY WORKED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT BEFORE I WORKED ON A HOUSE IN ALMOST PARK TERRACE ON THAT HOUSE, I DID NOT REQUEST TO CHANGE OUT ANY WINDOWS. UH, WHAT WE DID IS WE REPAIRED ANY WINDOWS THAT WERE NOT OPENING PROPERLY AND ALSO, UM, REPAIRED DIVIDERS, REPLACE GLASS AND RE REWORK THE WINDOWS IN ORDER TO SAVE WHAT WAS THERE. UM, IN THIS CASE, I DO NOT THINK IT'S POSSIBLE TO SAVE THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE. UM, AND REAL QUICK, I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE H D R C FOR THEIR INVALUABLE PRESENCE IN PRESERVING OUR HISTORIC CULTURE AND NEIGHBORHOODS. SO, AS I SAID BEFORE, THE WINDOWS HAVE SEVERE DAMAGE. UM, MOST OF 'EM, YOU CANNOT OPEN THEM. UH, ALMOST ALL OF THEM, THE RAILS ARE SEPARATING FROM THE SASHES. THERE'S EXTENSIVE WOOD ROCK. ALL SPILLS HAVE BEEN BROKEN. I THINK SOME WERE PREVIOUSLY BROKEN. UM, OTHERS WERE BROKEN BY THE DEMOLITION CREWS WHO TOOK OFF ALL THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS. UNFORTUNATELY. UM, ALSO, ALL WINDOWS HAVE MISSING ROPES AND WEIGHTS. UM, THERE'S A FEW THAT HAVE ONE ROPE, BUT ALL OF 'EM, THERE'S NOT ONE WINDOW THAT IS TOTALLY, UM, TOGETHER AS WHOLE. UM, I'VE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO REPAIR THESE WINDOWS. UM, INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE REPAIRS, I HAD SPECIALISTS COME IN. I HAD AO DESIGN COME IN WHO HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK IN AND OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND THEY TOLD ME THAT TO REPAIR THESE WINDOWS, EVERY SINGLE WINDOW HAS TO BE REMOVED, UH, HAS TO BE REPAIRED, IF NOT REBUILT. UM, NEW GLASS, AND MANY OF THEM BECAUSE THE MAJORITY HAVE CRACKED OR BROKEN GLASS AT SOME PORTION OF THE WINDOW. AND THEN OF COURSE, ALL THE, UM, GLAZING AROUND THE WINDOWS HAS TO BE REDONE. ALL NEW WEIGHTS, ALL NEW ROPES, UM, ALL NEW HARDWARE. SO THE COST TO DO THIS IS EXTENUATING. UM, THE OTHER THING, BEFORE I GET TO THE COST OF REPAIRS, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THESE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE NEW WINDOWS I'LL REPLACE 'EM WITH WILL BE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. UM, AS THE WINDOWS ARE NOW TO TRY TO GET THEM TO THE LEVEL OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF A NEW DOUBLE PANE WINDOW, I WOULD HAVE TO ADD SOME TYPE OF A SLIP PANE, UM, OR OTHER ADDITION, WHICH IS JUST TO INCREASE THE PRICE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA COST ME TO TRY TO REPAIR THESE WINDOWS. UM, LET ME SEE THIS REAL QUICK. OKAY, SO LET'S GO OVER THE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THESE WINDOWS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE WINDOW FEATURES ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, UM, DUE TO THE WOOD WINDOWS SCREENS, ACCORDING TO THE H D R C, GENERAL PRINCIPLES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS. PRINCIPLE NUMBER THREE, MORE FLEXIBILITY AND REPLACEMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED IN LOCATIONS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. BUILDING FEATURES [01:15:01] NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ARE LESS LIKELY TO DETECT FROM THE CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE OR DISTRICT. SO THE GREAT THING, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE EXTERIOR PICTURES ABOUT THESE WINDOWS, ALMOST ALL OF THEM HAVE THE SCREENS, THE WOOD SCREENS, AND MANY OF THESE ARE ACTUALLY ORIGINAL WOOD SCREENS. SO EVERY SINGLE WINDOW ACROSS THE FRONT AND SIDES WILL HAVE THE WOOD SCREENS REPAIRED OR REBUILT, AND THEY WILL BE THE EXACT DUPLICATE OR REPLICA OF THE ORIGINAL SCREENS. UM, THIS, THIS PROVIDES THIS HOUSE WITH SOMETHING THAT NOT NO OTHER HOUSE ON THIS STREET HAS. IF YOU DRIVE THE STREET, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE HOUSE THAT HAS ITS WINDOW SCREENS ON THE FRONT AND SIDES. THERE'S A COUPLE THAT HAVE THE WINDOW SCREENS ON FRONT, BUT NONE OF 'EM HAVE THE WINDOW WOOD SCREENS ON THE FRONT AND SIDE. SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PRESERVE THOSE AND HAVE THOSE IN PLACE REALLY HELPS THIS HOUSE TO STAY, TO KEEP ITS HISTORICAL CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. AND IT ALSO KEEPS THE PUBLIC FROM SEEING FROM THE STREET THE NEW WINDOWS THAT WILL BE INSTALLED. UH, THE SECOND EXTENUATING FEATURE IS THE UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. I RECEIVED TWO BIDS TO REPAIR THESE WINDOWS. UM, BOTH COMPANIES AFTER INSPECTING 'EM SAID THAT THE WINDOWS WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REMOVED, COMPLETELY REWORKED, UM, SOME REBUILT, UM, REPAIRED, AND THEN PUT BACK IN WITH NEW WEIGHTS, NEW ROPES, AND NEW HARDWARE. THE FIRST BIT I RECEIVED FROM ARCHITECTURAL.COM WAS FOR $24,000. UM, AND THAT DID INCLUDE ALL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, INCLUDING STRIPPING THE WINDOWS OF THE EXISTING PAINT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, WHICH I WILL GET TO NEXT. UH, SO $24,000 FOR REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR WAS ONE BID. THE NEXT BID I RECEIVED WAS NOT A COMPLETE BID, 'CAUSE IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, THE COMPLETE REGLAZING OF THE WINDOWS, AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE STRIPPING ALL THE PAINT. BUT THE SECOND BIT I RECEIVED TO REPAIR THE WINDOWS WAS $14,000 AND $14,055. THAT WAS FROM AO DESIGN. UH, BOTH THESE COMPANIES, AO DESIGN ARCHITECTURAL.COM, ARE REALLY GOOD COMPANIES THAT DO REALLY GOOD WORK. UH, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF STUFF IN TOBIN HILL AND OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THESE PRICES ARE EXTREMELY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN REPLACING WITH NEW WINDOWS. UM, THE OTHER PROBLEM YOU HAVE, IF I WANT TO TRY TO BRING THESE WINDOWS UP TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF NEW DOUBLE PANNED WINDOWS, IF I AM GONNA PUT IN SOME TYPE OF AN INSULATING PANE, UH, I GOT A BID FOR SLIM LINE INSULATING PANS. THE BID FOR ALL WINDOWS WAS $3,581, WHICH TAKES MY TOTAL COST UP TO 17,000 TO 27,000 DEPENDING ON WHICH BID YOU LOOK AT. UM, AND THIS JUST MAKES IT REALLY IMPOSSIBLE BASED ON THE BUDGET I HAVE AND BASED ON THE ABILITY I HAVE FOR REPAIRS TO MAKE THE REPAIRS NEEDED TO THESE WINDOWS. UM, I HAVE ANOTHER BID FOR REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS AND THE REPLACEMENT, INCLUDING REMOVAL OF ALL WINDOWS, REFRAMING OF THE WINDOWS, AND THE COST OF THE MATERIALS FOR THE NEW WINDOWS IS $9,373. THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS HALF THE COST OF REPAIRING AND REPLACING THE WINDOWS. UM, THE THIRD EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE IS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE WINDOWS, UNFORTUNATELY, HAS LEAD PAINT. UH, I HAD A THIRD PARTY COMPANY THAT IS LICENSED TO DO LEAD-BASED PAINT INSPECTIONS. EVERY SINGLE WINDOW CAME BACK WITH HAVING LEAD PAINT. UM, I TAKE THE HEALTH HAZARDS OF LEAD PAINT VERY SERIOUSLY, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO PREVENT FUTURE RESIDENTS FROM NOT EXPOSING THEMSELVES TO THE LEAD. AND WHEN I SAY THAT, EVERYBODY SAYS, WELL, JUST DON'T MESS WITH LEAD PAINT. AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING EXPOSED TO IT. THE PROBLEM IS YOU CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT. UH, AND THE HOUSE THAT I CURRENTLY LIVE IN, IT'S IN MONTE VISTA, AND IT WAS DEFINITELY BUILT BEFORE 1978 AND MOST LIKELY HAS LEAD PAINT. I HAD AN AC UNIT IN THE ATTIC THAT LEAKED WATER DRIPPED DOWN ON THE DOORWAY AND THE WINDOW TRIM, OR EXCUSE ME, THE DOOR TRIM. AND I NOW HAVE CRACKING PAINT THAT IS CHIPPING OFF. AND I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT THESE PAINT JETS CONTAIN THE PAINT. UM, . I ALSO HAVE A FRIEND WHO RECENTLY I WAS AT THEIR HOUSE AND I SAW A LITTLE CHEW MARK ON THEIR WINDOW SILL, AND I ASKED 'EM IF IT WAS FROM A DOG, AND THEY SAID, NO. THAT WAS FROM OUR 12 [01:20:01] MONTH OLD SON WHO WOULD PULL HIMSELF UP ON THE WINDOW, UH, TO LOOK OUTSIDE AND HE WOULD CHEW ON THE WINDOW SILL AS HE WAS WATCHING WHAT WAS GOING ON OUTSIDE FROM EITHER THE DOGS OR NEIGHBORS OR WHATEVER. UM, FORTUNATELY HE ALSO LIVED IN AN OLD HOUSE, UH, THAT IS A STORK, BUT THEY HAD REPLACED ALL INTERIOR WOOD AND ALL INTERIOR WINDOWS, SO THEY DID NOT HAVE TO FEAR THAT THEIR BABY WAS EXPOSED TO LEAD PAINT REAL QUICK, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, I'D LIKE TO GO OVER THE LEAD EFFECTS IN THE BODY. UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT EVEN EXPOSURE TO LOW LEVELS OF LEAD CAN SEVERELY HARM CHILDREN AND CHILDREN. EXPOSURE TO LEAD CAN CAUSE NERVOUS SYSTEM AND KIDNEY DAMAGE, LEARNING DISABILITIES, ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDER AND DECREASED INTELLIGENCE, SPEECH LANGUAGE AND BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS, POOR MUSCLE COORDINATION, DECREASED MUSCLE AND BONE GROWTH, AND HEARING DAMAGE. UM, LEAD CAN ALSO HAVE DEVASTATING EFFECTS ON CHILDREN INCLUDING SEIZURES, UNCONSCIOUSNESS, AND IN SOME CASES DEATH. EVERYTHING I'M READING YOU COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE E P A. JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I'M NOT JUST GETTING THIS FROM SOME, UH, WEBSITE ONLINE OR FACEBOOK. UM, ALTHOUGH CHILDREN ARE SUCCESSFUL, MORE SUCCESSFUL EXPOSURE, IT CAN ALSO BE VERY DANGEROUS TO ADULTS. AN ADULT EXPOSURE TO LEG CAN CAUSE HARM TO A DEVELOPING FETUS, INCREASED CHANCE OF HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE DURING PREGNANCY, FERTILITY PROBLEMS IN BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, DIGESTIVE PROBLEMS, NERVE DISORDERS, MEMORY AND CONCENTRATION PROBLEMS AND MUSCLE AND JOINT PAIN. UH, I MYSELF, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, HAVE BEEN BUILDING AND REMODELING HOUSES FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I HAVE PRETTY, I WOULDN'T CALL SEVERE, BUT, UM, I, I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH MEMORY AND CONCENTRATION. I'VE BEEN ADVISED BY MY DOCTOR TO AVOID DOING ANY MORE WORK WITH ANY TYPE OF WOOD THAT THAT IS PAINTED AND COMES FROM THE ERA BEFORE 1978. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY HAS AFFECTED ME, UM, AS FAR AS WE'RE AWARE OF AND ACCORDING TO MY DOCTOR'S RECOMMENDATIONS. REAL QUICK, I'M LOOK THROUGH MY NOTES HERE. SO THE WINDOW THAT I'M RECOMMENDING REPLACEMENT, ORIGINALLY I WAS GONNA LOOK AT THE SUPPLY JAM MIRROR SUPPLY. JAM MIRROR HAS BEEN USED BY IMAGINE HOMES, UH, PREVIOUSLY AND THEIR TOBIN HILL HOUSES AND ALSO IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING. THE ONE THING I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE MIRROR HOME WINDOWS IS THEY ARE ALUMINUM CLAD. ON THE EXTERIOR, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH THE HISTORIC WINDOW THAT IS ALL WOOD, WHERE NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THAT IT'S A REPLACEMENT WINDOW. IT WILL LOOK IDENTICAL TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. UM, SO WHAT I'M LOOKING TO REPLACE WITH IS THE JELLED WIND W 2,500 TO TRADITIONAL WINDOW. REAL QUICK. THIS WINDOW, UH, HAS SUPERIOR MATERIALS. IT HAS, IT IS MADE OF ORAS PINE, WHICH IS A PATENTED WOOD PRODUCT THAT OFFERS SURFACE TO CORE PROTECTION. THIS OFFERS ADDED PROTECTION AGAINST WOOD ROCK ADDED PROTECTION AGAINST WATER DAMAGE AND OUT PROTECTION AGAINST TERMITES, WHICH THE EXISTING WINDOWS DO NOT HAVE. UH, IT ALSO REQUIRES LESS REQUIRED MAINTENANCE. IT IS MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. UM, IT ALSO OFFERS A HIGH PERFORMANCE LOW E GLASS. THAT IS CLEAR. I KNOW THAT THERE CANNOT NOT BE ANY KIND OF TINTED OR WINDOW FILM PLACED ON THE GLASS. UM, ALSO WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS WINDOW, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE ONLY THE INSULATED GLASS SHOULD THE GLASS BE BROKEN, OR IF THE SEAL FAILS BETWEEN THE TWO PANES. UM, IT IS ALSO A VERY SUSTAINABLE WINDOW. UM, THERE'S EFFICIENT USE OF WOOD TO DEVELOP HIGH PERFORMANCE, HIGH VALUE PRODUCTS THAT Y'ALL WENT. IN ADDITION, THERE IS ALSO, UH, CERTIFICATION BY THE NATIONAL GREEN BUILDING STANDARD WITH THE WINDOWS. SO YOU'VE GOT A VERY HIGHLY EFFICIENT, SUSTAINABLE WINDOW. UM, REPLACING THESE WINDOWS CAN BE DONE AT A SIGNIFICANT COST ADVANTAGE, FIRST REPAIRING THE EXISTING WINDOWS. UM, IT ALSO ELIMINATES THE SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. IT WILL ALSO REMOVE BY PUTTING IN NEW WINDOWS, WE REMOVE ALL LEAD THAT'S IN THE HOUSE. AS I'VE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THERE IS NO PAINTED MATERIALS ON THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. THE ONLY PAINTED MATERIALS, THE WINDOWS. IF WE GET RID OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS, WE EFFECTIVELY GET RID OF ALL OF THE LEAD INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH PRESENTS US A HOUSE THAT IN THE FUTURE IS MUCH MORE HEALTHY AND MUCH MORE SAFE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS, WHICH I KNOW IS IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD. UM, THE OTHER THING, THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO READ THROUGH THAT THE OFFICE HAS, THE O H P HAS GIVEN RECOMMENDATIONS [01:25:01] ON THE TYPE OF SIZE TYPE CONFIGURATION, MATERIAL FORM, APPEARANCE, AND DETAIL FOR THE NEW WINDOWS. ALL THE WINDOWS WILL MATCH EXACTLY WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. NO SIZES WILL BE REDUCED OR ENLARGED. THE SAME WINDOW TRIM WILL BE USED THE SAME WINDOW SEALS WILL BE USED. THERE WILL BE NO DISTINGUISHABLE FEATURES THAT WILL BE DIFFERENT FOR THE NEW WINDOWS COMPARED TO THE OLD WINDOWS. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE WILL BE WOOD SCREENS PLACED IN FRONT OF THESE WINDOWS WHERE FROM THE STREET, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TELL THAT THERE ARE NEW WINDOWS THERE REGARDLESS. UM, AND WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THESE NEW WINDOWS IS WE'RE ABLE TO DO 'EM IN A WAY THAT WILL PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE UNIQUE HISTORIC CHARACTER DESIGN FEATURES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. MOVING FORWARD TO THE NEXT ITEM THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT, IS THE FRONT PORCH ALTERATION, UM, ON THE FRONT PORCH. YES. IF YOU COULD, I'M SORRY. THIS IS THE CHAIRMAN. IF YOU COULD, UH, PROCEED WITH ANYTHING ELSE. UM, WE'VE HAD 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE, BUT WE DO NEED TO MOVE ALONG AND WE DO HAVE, I BELIEVE, SOME CITIZEN COMMENTS AND THEN COMMISSION. SO IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THE OTHER COMMENTS QUICKLY, PLEASE. OKAY, I'M GONNA DO THIS REAL FR REAL QUICK, THE FRONT PORCH ALTERATION. THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS, THERE ARE TWO EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. THE FIRST IS I'M NOT ABLE TO ACCESS THE GARAGE OR CARPORT IN THE REAR. UM, THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY WIDTH, UH, WHEN YOU ADD THE SITE PROPERTY LINE OF THE HOUSE NEXT TO ME IS ONLY SEVEN FOOT TWO, UM, SEVEN FOOT TWO INCHES. UH, I CURRENTLY AM NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THE ALL STREET PARKING THAT IS RECOMMENDED IN SECTION THREE FIVE DASH 5 26 OF THE U D C PARKING AND LOADING STANDARDS. UM, AS STATED HERE, LACK OF ADEQUATE PARKING CAN RESULT IN, IN MOTORS PARKING IN ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS OR BUSINESS AREAS. THIS IN TURN, CAN AFFECT THE PERCEIVED LIVABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, THE SECOND EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE IS I DO NOT HAVE LEGAL ACCESS TO THIS DRIVEWAY. UM, I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBOR HAS MADE COMMENTS FOR ME TO GET ON THIS DRIVEWAY. AND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT, UH, THE SURVEY OR SITE PLAN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES ARE, THE DRIVEWAY'S ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. FOR ME TO GET TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, I HAVE TO GO ON THEIR GRASS, MAKE A SHARP TURN, THEN GET ON MY DRIVEWAY. SO I LEGALLY CANNOT USE THIS DRIVEWAY WITHOUT DRIVING ON AND DAMAGING MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD. UM, REAL QUICK, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES OR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS OF GUIDELINES SEVEN POINT AI, UM, THIS WILL NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTER STRUCTURE OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC. ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS WILL REMAIN, THE ALTERATIONS WILL RESULT IN A SPACE THAT FUNCTIONS AND IS VISUALLY INTERPRETED AS A PORCH. ALL MATERIALS WILL BE THE SAME, THE DESIGN WILL BE COMPATIBLE AND SCALE MATH IN DETAIL WILL, WELL, MATERIALS WILL MATCH IN COLOR, TOUCH OR DIMENSIONS AND FINISH. AND THERE WILL BE NO NEW ELEMENTS ADDED. UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY, USE OF MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY WILL BE ACHIEVED, OR THE LEGAL USE OF MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO HAPPEN AND WE'LL ACHIEVE NOT USING IT. UM, PROPER OFF STREET PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED AND THERE WILL BE ACCESS TO THE NEW GARAGE AND CARPORT IN THE BACK. UH, I BELIEVE ALL THIS CAN BE DONE WITH ZERO NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ACHIEVE OUR COMMON GOAL, PRESERVING AND PROTECTING THE UNIQUE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND DESIGN FEATURES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MAY WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS PLEASE? OKAY. UM, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW FOLLOWED BY VOICEMAIL. UM, THE FIRST COMES FROM NICOLE GARCIA, UH, ONE 30 EAST LINWOOD. AS NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, WE, UM, LOVE THE JOB THAT MR. CALDERONI IS DOING IN THIS TO THIS HOUSE. THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT PROPERTY HAVE MADE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN ORDER FOR MR. CALDERONI TO HAVE FULL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF HIS PROPERTY, IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE FRONT PORCH MODIFICATIONS. AS FOR THE WINDOWS, UM, IT IS SO MINOR IN NATURE AND THE BENEFIT OF THE UPGRADE FAR AWAY, ANY POSSIBLE MINOR CHANGES, PLEASE ALLOW FOR THESE TWO ADJUSTMENTS BY MR. CALDERONE. THANK YOU. UM, THE NEXT ONES FROM, UH, ANDREA CORTEZ, SIX 11 EAST EVERGREEN. I'M THE NEIGHBOR LOCATED DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR, AND I SUPPORT THE MODIFICATIONS THAT THE OWNER IS PROPOSING. THE HOUSE IS IN BAD SHAPE, IT NEEDS TOTAL RENOVATION. THE NEXT IS SARAH WILKINS, 6 25 EAST EVERGREEN. I FULLY SUPPORT MY NEIGHBOR MODIFYING HIS FRONT PORCH AND REPLACING HIS WINDOWS. THERE ARE TOO MANY VACANT HOMES IN THIS AREA, AND I'M HAPPY TO SEE SOMEONE WANTING TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU, MONTY. UH, THE NEXT IS, UH, CASSIE BRITTON, 6 39 EAST EVERGREEN, I'M SORRY, CASEY BRITTON, 6 39 EAST EVERGREEN. I SUPPORT ANY IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED BY THE OWNER, ESPECIALLY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PORCH AND WINDOWS AND REMOVAL OF THE GARAGE. UM, THE NEXT IS ADAM MARSHALL, 7 0 1 EAST EVERGREEN COURT. UM, WE ARE THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE TO SIX 15 EAST EVERGREEN AND ARE STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THE FULL PROPOSAL, INCLUDING ALL DEMOLITION, BUILDING OF NEW CONSTRUCT, NEW STRUCTURES, AND MODIFICATION AND RESTORATION TO THE HOUSE. OUR BELIEF IS THAT THIS RESTORATION WILL HELP TO ENRICH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE IMPROVING DA WHILE REMOVING [01:30:01] DANGEROUS HAZARDS. THE FRONT PORCH REDESIGN IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO CREATE A PROPER DRIVEWAY WITHOUT MODIFICATIONS. CARS WILL BE REQUIRED TO DRIVE OVER THE GRASS ON OUR PROPERTY OR PARK ON OUR PROPERTY OVER TIME. PREVIOUS OWNERS, UM, ALLOW THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON SEV SEVERAL FEET OF THE PROPERTY AT SEV OF OUR PROPERTY. 7 0 1 EAST EVERGREEN. UH, THIS MODIFICATION CANNOT BE CONSIDERED HISTORICALLY ACCURATE AND WILL REQUIRE MODIFICATION OF THE PORCH TO ALLOW THE APPROPRIATE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE NE NECESSARY SIZE OF A VEHICLE. WHILE RE, RE, EXCUSE ME, WHILE REMAINING ON THE CORRECT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, THE PORCH DESIGN PROPOSAL IS MINIMAL AND DOES NOT DIMINISH THE HISTORIC HISTORICAL DESIGN OF THE HOUSE. THE WINDOWS ARE IN TERRIBLE SHAPE AND A DANGER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WORK TO RESTORE WINDOWS PAINTED AND A LEAD-BASED PAINT WILL CAUSE WORK TO RESTORE WINDOWS PAINTED. AND A BASED PAINT WILL CAUSE HAZARD HAZARDOUS DUST AND DEBRIS TO SPREAD TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND CAN IMPACT THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AS WELL AS THE FAMILIES OF ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS. BECAUSE OF THIS, WE ARE IN FULL FAVOR OF REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF SAID WINDOWS, UM, ON THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FROM VICKY KUSHNER. MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBY NEAL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. MY ADDRESS IS 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. I'M SPEAKING ABOUT H D R C, ITEM NUMBER 26 15 EAST EVERGREEN. IN VIEWING THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION AND REPLACEMENT CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION PORSCHE MODIFICATION, WINDOW REPLACEMENT, ROOF REPLACEMENT, AND DRIVEWAY REPLACEMENT. WE ARE SURPRISED AT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE REQUEST . WE HAVE BEEN SEEN SIMILAR, BUT USUALLY NOT BUNDLED INTO, UH, ONE OVER ENTRY OR OVERREACHING PLAN. BUT UPON READING THE PERTINENT U D C CITATION AND HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES ALONG WITH THE O H P STAFF FINDINGS, WE AGREE WITH O H P STAFF. HOWEVER, WE URGE THAT DURING THE DEMOLITION OF THE GARAGE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ANY REUSABLE HARDWARE BE SALVAGED FOR USE ON THE REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE OR FOR DONATION OR SALE. THE CRAFTS IN BUNGALOW AT SIX 15 EAST EVERGREEN MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BUILT BY A FAMOUS ARCHITECT, BUT IT WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT BY SOMEONE WHO KNEW THE ARCHITECTURAL GENRE VERY WELL. A BUILDING BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR SHOWS MASSING AND PROPORTION CHARACTERISTIC OF THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE. THE TOBIN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS FORMED TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT SUCH ARCHITECTURE. WE THANK THE O H P P P STAFF FOR THEIR PERIOD APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PRESERVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS ENVIRONMENT. AND WE THANK THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERING THOSE AND ALSO OUR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS CONCERNING THIS CASE. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE GET INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, I WANNA, SINCE THIS IS VERY INVOLVED, UH, APPLICATION, I WANNA CLARIFY A FEW THINGS WITH THE APPLICANT. MR. CAL. UM, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR, YOU HAVE NO ISSUES WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M LOOKING AT FOUR. UH, YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ONE, TWO, AND FOUR. AND THEN NUMBER FIVE, YOU'VE, UH, PROVIDED INFORMATION ON THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SIZE OF THE ADDITION? YES. AND I'LL PROVIDE THAT IN MORE DETAIL TO, UH, TO STAFF, YES. IN IN WRITING, YES. OKAY. SO THEN YOU ARE REQUESTING, UH, CONSIDERATION ON THE PORCH MODIFICATION, THE REMOVAL OF FOUR WINDOWS, UH, REPLACEMENT OF ALL THE WINDOWS. AND YOU SAID YOU WERE PROPOSING WOOD WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA, WHICH SAYS ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. I, I PROVIDED THE SPECIFICATIONS ALSO FOR THAT WOOD WINDOW BECAUSE I HAD A FEELING I WAS GONNA END UP CHOOSING THAT ONE, BUT YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, YOU'RE GOOD WITH MAINTAINING A METAL ROOF, UH, BUT YOU'D LIKE TO REPLACE IT, UM, AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH A RIBBON DRIVE, AND I BELIEVE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET, UH, UM, STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. BUT YOU'RE FINE WITH BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THE RIBBON [01:35:01] DRIVEWAY HAS, HAS TO BE REPLACED AND, AND RELOCATED AND RESIZED, BUT YES, I'M FINE WITH THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO DISCUSS ITEMS THREE, SIX, AND SEVEN IF I'M READING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY. SO NOW WE, I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN, UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, YES MA'AM. I, I MEAN, THE APPLICANT DID STATE A LOT OF THE, A GOOD REASON FOR REPLACING WINDOWS, BUT USUALLY WE DON'T MAKE THE DECISION WITHOUT A STAFF VISIT OR A SITE VISIT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, UM, TO REALLY LOOK AT THE STATE OF THE WINDOWS BEFORE APPROVING A REPLACEMENT. ALSO, UM, I MEAN, YEAH, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF, I MEAN TO STAFF, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT, UH, STIPULATION WITH THE WOOD MATERIAL, THE WOOD STIPULATION, THE SORRY, WINDOW STAND STIPULATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT, UM, ON ITEM. AND THEN THAT ALSO MAYBE GOES A LITTLE BIT WITH ITEM SIX, BECAUSE THAT ITEM GOES WITH THE, UH, GUESS IT WAS THE FRONT PORCH. RIGHT. OKAY. I'LL LET SOMEBODY ELSE TALK IN THE MEANTIME. WELL, UH, CHAIRMAN ZER, MY, MY, YES, MY COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT WOULD, WOULD BE PRETTY LIT. THE WINDOW ISSUE. I, I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING AND VERY DIFFICULT TO COMPETE WITH THAT, WITH ALL THE DATA THAT YOU PROVIDED, UM, PARTICULARLY AS IT RE RELATES TO HEALTH. RIGHT. BUT NOW ON THE PORCH, THE, THE PORCH IS REALLY, UH, CHARACTERISTIC. YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS THE PORCH AND ALTERATIONS TO THAT PORCH. I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS LIKE TO, TO EACH HIS OWN, RIGHT? EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN OPINION OF THE H OF THE HOUSE THAT THEY WANNA, HOW, HOW THEY WANNA PORTRAY IT. BUT IT IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THE THING THAT, THAT, UM, WAS MENTIONED IN THE COMMENTS, IT'S VERY ON POINT. IT'S NOT SO MUCH WHETHER IN SOME CASES IT'S PRESERVING THE, YOU KNOW, THE EGO OF THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECT, BUT IN OTHER CASES, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A SOCIETY OF DESIGNERS AT THE TIME THAT ACHIEVE ON, ON UNDERSTANDING OF THE BALANCE OF THE, OF THE LANGUAGE OF THAT, OF THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD. AND, AND IT IS REALLY WELL DONE. SO I DON'T, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE, I WOULDN'T GAMBLE A SUPPORT, A A GENERAL SUPPORT FOR ALTERATION OF THE FRONT PORCH. AND I MYSELF WOULD NOT, UH, BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THAT ON THE WINDOWS SIDE. I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD ARGUMENT. OH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUE, IF I'M MAY, MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. I DON'T, IT'S NOT A, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED AND MAYBE WE COULD, UM, SAY LIKE, MAKE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THEN DISCUSS THIS. THE PORCH MODIFICATION IS BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAY. AND, AND I THINK THAT SOMETIMES HAS BEEN A REASON TO WHY WE ARE, WE HAVE APPROVED, I DO UNDERSTAND WE DON'T LIKE TO MODIFY HISTORIC ELEMENTS, AND THAT WOULD MAYBE THAT'S A, IS THERE A WAY THAT IT CAN BE LESS? I MEAN, YOU'RE REMOVING ALMOST THREE FEET. WELL, AND, AND FROM MY POINT, IT'S, IT'S THE WING. IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, IT, A PORCH IS A PORCH, BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THESE BUNGALOWS AND THE, AND THE PORCH GETS PULLED OUT, IT ADDS TO THE REAL POWER OF THE FRONT OF A HOUSE, YOU KNOW? SO YOU, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME. I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SITUATIONS OR SITUATIONS THAT THAT, THAT I'VE LOOKED AT TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS IN MY OWN WORLD, RIGHT? WHERE YOU SAY, WELL, YOU'LL COME IN NARROW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANNA CHANGE LIKE A PORCH. AND THEN YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT, ONCE YOU PASS THAT NARROW HOW YOU GET WHERE YOU, WHAT YOU NEED TO GET, UM, TO CHANGE THE BUILDING. IT JUST, FOR ME, IT'S HARD, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO, BECAUSE YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE 12 AND IT TURNS TO SIX, HOW CHANGES EVERYTHING, OR YOU HAVE SIX AND IT TURNS TO THREE, SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST BALANCED, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT WANTING TO CHANGE THINGS THAT, THINGS THAT CHANGE THE POWER OF THE PROPORTIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, YES, SIR. I, I APPRECIATE THE ARGUMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE THERE. UM, AND I WAS OF THAT MIND SET UNTIL I HEARD THAT, [01:40:01] UH, THAT THERE'S LESS THAN WHAT, SEVEN FOOT, TWO INCHES OF CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE END OF THE PORCH AND THE, UH, THE PROPERTY LINE. AND, UM, AND, AND SO AS A RESULT, I, I'M SEEING THIS AS AN ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECT. I MEAN, IT'S STILL BEING, IT'S BEING USED AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, BUT IT'S, IT'D BE ADAPTED TO 2021. AND WITHIN THAT REALITY, AND WITHOUT, WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF, OF, UM, UH, AVOIDING STREET PARKING AND WHAT HAVE YOU, I I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST, UH, TO, TO ALTER THAT PORSCHE TO ALLOW FOR THAT ADAPTED USE. I THINK, UM, I ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, PROFESSOR, I'M SORRY, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, GR WHEN SHE SAID, WELL, CAN IT BE REDUCED? I MEAN, CAN WE DO THAT DOWN? I MEAN, CAN WE DO THAT DOWN TO THE MINIMUM THAT'S REQUIRED TO PASS BY THE HOUSE SAFELY, NOT HIT IT WITH A, WITH A VEHICLE, BUT ALSO RETAIN AS MUCH OF THE, OF THAT PROPORTION? AND THAT, THAT NUANCED CHARACTER THAT, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER VELASCO IS, IS, IS ADVOCATING FOR. SO I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO, I THINK, A REASONABLE REQUEST THAT MINIMIZES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLY ALTERATION, BUT ALSO GIVES THEM THE REASONABLE ACCESS ONTO THEIR PROPERTY WITH A MODERN VEHICLE. UH, REGARDING THE WINDOWS, I THINK THERE ARE ENOUGH WINDOWS HERE THAT THERE MIGHT BE, UH, ANOTHER COMPROMISE FOUND THERE AS WELL, WHERE, UH, THOSE THAT ARE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE IN THE BEST OF SHAPE, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, THERE'S A GOOD ACCOUNTING OF THEM AND THEIR SIZES AND THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING OPENING THAT THEY COULD BE, UH, SALVAGED, REUSED, AND PREFERENTIALLY REPLACED ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. SO YOU HAVE AS MANY OF THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC WINDOWS RETAINED ON THE PUBLIC FACE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THEN, UH, PERMIT, UH, WOOD WINDOWS, NEW WOOD WINDOWS TO BE INSTALLED IN THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT ARE, ARE NOT FRONT FACING, UM, AND RECONSTRUCT THE, THE SCREENS. I THINK THERE'S A, A REASONABLE ARGUMENT THERE. UM, INCIDENTALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE LEAD, BUT WE, WE ENCOUNTER THAT ALL THE TIME. AND LEAD CAN BE ABANDONED, LEAD CAN BE, UH, STRIPPED CHEMICALLY. SO THERE ARE WAYS OF, OF, OF, UH, SAFELY ENCAPSULATING. SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT WAS THAT COMPELLING TO ME. UM, BUT I THINK THERE IS A, IF, IF WE GO AND DO A JOB, UH, A PROJECT SITE VISIT AND SEE THAT THERE'S COMPELLING EVIDENCE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS ARE DETERIORATED, UH, THEN I WOULD, UH, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF SOME, SOME SCHEME THAT TRIES TO PRESERVE AS MANY WINDOWS AS POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO PROVIDE THE ABILITY TO REPLACE THOSE. UM, NO ONE'S REALLY MADE MUCH COMMENT ABOUT THE, UM, THE REAR STRUCTURE, BUT I THINK THERE'S PRETTY MUCH A UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT THAT THAT IS SHOT BEYOND ITS, ITS, UH, UTILITY AT THIS POINT. JUST TO, TO, TO NEGLECT. AND I CONCUR WITH, UH, STAFF'S REQUEST, UH, OR STIPULATION THAT WHATEVER IS USABLE THERE IS, IT COULD BE SALVAGED. SOMETIMES YOU CAN FIND SOME REALLY NICE, UH, MEMBERS UP IN THE, UH, THE ROOF FRAMING THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ROTTED OUT. UH, BUT THIS DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S BE BEYOND, UH, BEYOND, UH, SALVAGING AND, UH, RESTORING. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. YES, I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UM, WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS JUST SAID THAT, UM, MODIFYING THE FRONT PORCH. I THINK ALTHOUGH REGRETTABLE IS, UM, NECESSARY TO ALLOW THE OCCUPANT FOR THE APPLICANT TO ACCESS THE REAR OF HIS YARD AND, UH, KEEP FROM DRIVING ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S, UH, PROPERTY, UM, KEEPING THE, THE DETAILING AND ALL THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UM, AND MINIMIZING THE AMOUNT, UH, TO BE, UH, REMOVED, I COULD SUPPORT THAT. I COULD ALSO SUPPORT, UM, AT LEAST A STAFF, UH, REVIEW, ONSITE REVIEW OF WINDOWS, UH, TO DETERMINE WHICH, IF ANY, CAN BE RESTORED AND, UM, POSSIBLY RELOCATED TO THE, UH, FRONT PORTION OF THE HOUSE. UM, AN ALL WOOD REPLACEMENT WINDOW IS, UM, IF STAFF COULD COMMENT ON WHETHER THE, [01:45:01] THE SUBMITTAL MEETS THE, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, IN OUR, UH, STIPULATIONS. YES, THE J 1 2500 WINDOW THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, UM, DOES MEET ALL STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER LFO? YES, SIR. UH, LOOKING AT THE IMAGE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, UH, I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES THE, UH, REDUCTION OF THE COURT, WOULD HE ALSO BE RELOCATING THE RETAINING WALL AND THE EXISTING CONCRETE APRON AND REMOVING THE CONCRETE THAT'S NOW EXISTING ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY? SO I AM ATTEMPTING TO KEEP THAT FRONT DRIVEWAY APPROACH THE WAY IT CURRENTLY LOOKS. I'M HOPING. SO A PORTION OF THAT CONCRETE DRIVEWAY IS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY FOR THAT PORTION THAT IS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. I'M HOPING TO GET A, UM, BOUNDARY LINE AGREEMENT, HAVE AN ATTORNEY DRAW THAT UP TO WHERE IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THEY ALLOW ME TO USE THAT SMALL SECTION. UM, WE CAN'T DO THAT GOING FURTHER UP BECAUSE I SIMPLY CANNOT GET A VEHICLE TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THE WAY THE, UH, PORCH CURRENTLY IS. YOU CAN SEE HOW THEIR FENCE STICKS OUT. THEIR FENCE IS EXACTLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE. MM-HMM. . UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, I DO NOT PLAN ON MESSING WITH THE APPROACH OR, OR EITHER SIDE OF THE RETAINING WALL. I'M HOPING TO JOG IT OVER BY REMOVING THE PORCH. I'M HOPING TO JOG THE DRIVEWAY OVER WHERE I DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UH, IF YOU FIND IT NECESSARY TO CUT THE PORCH BACK, THAT YOU WOULD ALSO NEED TO REVISE THE, UH, EXISTING RETAINING WALL AND IN ORDER TO GET OVER INTO THAT AREA WHERE THE PORCH NOW EXISTS, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON YOUR SITE PLAN, IS A NEW CONCRETE CURB, UH, GOING OUT FROM THE PORCH OUT TO THE, UH, STREET. YES. UH, YES, SIR. AND I THINK MY, I MEAN, HE, SO THAT CONCRETE DRIVE, IF YOU SEE IT, UM, IT DOESN'T END. IT INCLUDES THE APRON THAT IS ON THE PORTION OF, JUST WAIT FOR MY TURN FOR THE CITY MEETING. ANOTHER HEARING FOR MS. , I APOLOGIZE. YOU'RE CORRECT. THAT IS WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, BECAUSE THAT, THAT DRIVE, WELL, I NEED TO SEE EXACTLY HOW LARGE THAT DRIVEWAY IS. I NEED TO MEASURE IT OUT, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THAT DIMENSION. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A 10 FOOT DRIVE. I THINK IT'S A NINE FOOT, THE APPROACH AND THE WIDTH OF THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY, THE CONCRETE PORTION IS, IS ALMOST 10 FEET, SO A LITTLE LEFT. UM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU CAN SEE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD IS, I ONLY PLAN ON COMING BACK WITH A NINE FOOT DRIVEWAY, NOT A 10 FOOT. UM, AND THAT'LL BE A RIBBON DRIVE. SO THAT SHOULD GIVE US ENOUGH ROOM ONCE WE REMOVE THE PORCH TO NOT MESS WITH THE RETAINING WALL ON THE LEFT. AND IF I DO, IT'D BE A SMALL PORTION, LIKE MAYBE CUT IT BACK A FOOT AND A HALF OR TWO, THE RETAINING WALL ON THE LEFT. UM, AND DEPENDING ON WHAT I AGREE TO WITH THE NEIGHBOR, I'M HOPING NOT TO CHANGE THE WALL ON THE RIGHT, BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. IF YOU LOOK AT THESE LOTS, THESE LOTS ARE NARROW ON THAT PORTION OF TOBIN HILL. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP OR REMOVE ANY MORE GRASS TO DETRACT FROM THE SIGHTLINES OF THE, OF THE HOUSE AND THE YARD. SO IT'S A TRICKY SITUATION. WELL, I THINK THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED AND POSSIBLY VERIFIED BY STAFF IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO, UH, APPROVE THE, UH, MODIFICATION OF THE PORCH. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AGAIN. UM, YES, I, I, I THINK THAT'S, THOSE ARE REALLY ASTUTE COMMENTS AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE ISN'T THAT ALTERATION MADE, THEN I THINK IT REALLY KICKS THE LEGS OUT UNDERNEATH THE ARGUMENT OF, OF MODIFYING THE PORCH. AND SO, UM, I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. I THINK YOU EITHER EITHER GET LEGAL AND HAVE ALL YOUR, YOUR, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ON YOUR PROPERTY, UH, AND BE ABLE TO ACCESS, YOU KNOW, THE [01:50:01] BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY. THAT I THINK IS A VERY COMPELLING ARGUMENT. BUT TO SAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT IN PLACE, UH, GOING ACROSS YOUR NEIGHBOR AND, UH, LEAVE THAT, THAT PORTION OF THE RETAINING WALL IN PLACE, THEN IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, IT'S NECESSARY TO ALTER THE PORCH. UM, MR. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOUR POINT, AND AND FORGIVE ME FOR, UH, I HAVE TO REALLY JUST CORRECT MYSELF BECAUSE I, I HADN'T SEEN THIS IMAGE THAT STAFF PULLED UP A LITTLE WHILE AGO. UM, IT JUST, IN THIS, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF SHORTENING THAT PORCH, IT SEEMS THAT THE REAL, UM, THE REAL KIND OF NEED IS THAT, SEE, THE WAY THE PORCH IS DESIGNED, YOU WALK OFF, RIGHT? LET'S JUST SAY NORTH SOUTH, THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU SHORTEN IT AND YOU CREATE A SITUATION THAT'S NEVER GONNA LOOK RIGHT. SO YOU'D ALMOST LIKE SAY, WELL, HOW WOULD IT BE DONE IF IT WAS DONE WITHOUT THAT WING? YOU JUST HAVE A GESTURE OFF OF THE WALL JUST TO GESTURE OFF SO THAT YOU'RE NOT STRAIGHT WITH THE PORCH, SO THAT YOU HAVE THIS NICE LITTLE DESIGN, BUT THAT, WHAT THAT DOES IS IT MAXIMIZES EXACTLY WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO. SO THE IDEA OF TAKING THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF THE PORCH, IT, IT REALLY JUST KIND OF RES SOLIDIFIES THE SAME PROBLEM A LITTLE LESSER. AND, AND, AND TO REALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM, IT'S, YOU REALLY WANNA PULL THE PORCH BACK, BUT PULL IT BACK JUST SO MUCH AS THAT IT HAS ENOUGH SPACE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT IT ARTICULATED AWAY FROM THE WALL, BUT TO, TO COMMISSIONER LAO'S POINT, IT, IT, AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT AS WELL, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THAT WHY DO IT, IF NOT, OR WHY MAKE THE ARGUMENT ABOUT BEING ON MY NEIGHBOR'S LAND IF THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO GET LEGAL AND, AND YOU, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO PULL THAT RETAINING WALL BACK BECAUSE IT'S ALSO WHAT'S GONNA ENSURE THAT YOU DON'T BANG INTO THE HOUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN A TIGHT SITUATION THAT RIGHT NOW DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SO, OKAY, IT'S ACCEPTABLE, BUT ONCE YOU TRY TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE, THEN YOU'RE KINDA OBLIGATED TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE. 'CAUSE NOW YOU'VE CREATED THE, LET'S SAY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE PROBLEM. SO IT SEEMS THAT YOU HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY THAN JUST THE MINIMAL REDUCTION OF THE PORCH, BUT IT DOES MEAN EVERYTHING ELSE THEN. RIGHT. COMMISSIONER, UH, SORRY. CHAIRMAN FISH, I, UH, I MEAN, CHAIRMAN THAT, SORRY, IT'S GETTING LATE IN THE AFTERNOON. UM, I, I THINK THERE'S TWO COMPELLING, UH, REASONS TO GO OUT TO, TO THE SITE. ONE TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT CLEARANCE, UH, BETWEEN THE EXISTING PORCH EXTENSION AND THE PROPERTY LINE, AND TWO, TO EVALUATE THE, UH, EXISTING CONDITION OF THE, OF THE WINDOWS. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR A D R C ON SITE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, YES. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. FERNANDEZ AYE. FISH? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. AREOLA? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. TRUE. AYE. ZER. AYE. LFO, COMMISSIONER LFO, UM, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU, COMMISSIONER? YES, GO AHEAD. AYE. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU MR. CALDERONI. UH, VERY PROFESSIONAL PRESENTATION, AND WE WILL, THE STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU FOR A ONSITE VISIT TO REVIEW THESE ITEMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. [21. Address/Description: 125 MAGNOLIA DR HDRC Case No.: 2021-389 Historic District Name: River Road RIO District: RIO-1 Applicant: Sheryle Leal/Precision Contracting Request: Window replacement, construction of a front porch, exterior modifications, site modifications, roof replacement City Council Dist.: 1  ] ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 21, H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 89 ADDRESS, 1 25 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE, REPLACE NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. THREE, MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR CONFIGURATION TO FEATURE A PAIR OF SLIDING GLASS DOORS. THE CURRENT FRONT DOOR CONFIGURATION FEATURES AN ENCLOSED PORCH FRONT PORCH WITH A SCREEN DOOR FLANKED BY FULL HEIGHT SCREEN WINDOWS FOUR CONSTRUCT A NEW FRONT PORCH. THE PORCH WILL EXTEND THE FULL WIDTH OF THE FACADE AND WILL PROJECT NINE FEET TOWARDS THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND FIVE, INSTALL A NEW CONCRETE RIBBON DRIVEWAY TO REPLACE THE EXISTING FULL WITH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SELECTIVE NON-ORIGINAL WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS B AND C WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE NEW WINDOWS COMPLY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE NEW METAL ROOF COMPLIES WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS [01:55:01] AS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION ITEM THREE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT ENTRYWAY MODIFICATIONS AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING E STAFF FINDS THAT THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION SHOULD BE RETAINED. ITEM FOUR, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDING S. IF THE H D R C FINDS THAT A NEW FRONT PORCH IS APPROPRIATE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PORCH ELEMENTS COMPLY WITH THE, UM, FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS RAILING. THE PROPOSED RAILINGS SHOULD FEATURE BOTH THE TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL. THE BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD FEATURE A VERTICAL ORIENTATION AND SHOULD BE INSTALLED APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE PORSCHE DECKING. BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED FROM TWO BY FOUR INCH MEMBERS. THE PROPOSED RAILING SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF MORE THAN THREE FEET. THE PROPOSED WOOD COLUMN SHOULD BE NO WATER THAN SIX INCH SQUARE, FEATURE BOTH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM AND CHAMFORD CORNERS. AND THE PROPOSED PORCH DECKING SHOULD FEATURE A ONE BY THREE INCH TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD NUMBER LAID PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE PLANE. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A SETBACK DIAGRAM STUDY THAT INCLUDES THE TWO IMMEDIATE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. TO ILLUSTRATE THE PROPOSED FRONT PORCH SETBACK RELATIVE TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS, THE DEPTH OF THE NEW FRONT PORCH MUST NOT EXCEED THE DEPTH OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. IF THE PROPOSED NINE INCH DEPTH CREATES A SETBACK THAT IS CLOSER TO THE STREET FROM THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, THE DEPTH MUST BE REDUCED AND UPDATED DRAWING MUST BE SUBMITTED. THE DIAGRAM IS REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM FIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A RIBBON DRIVEWAY WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE TOTAL WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET AND THE CONCRETE APPROACH FLARED TO A MAXIMUM WIDTH OF 12 FEET. I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT CODY ON THE LINE WHO WISHES TO DISCUSS, UM, ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, UM, RELATED TO THE FRONT PORCH CONFIGURATION AND THE NEW, UM, FRONT PORCH. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY QUICKLY THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A NEW FRONT PORCH SCREEN CONFIGURATION. THEY'RE NOT SLIDING GLASS DOORS, THEY ARE SLIDING SCREEN DOORS. UM, OUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION REMAINS THE SAME. AND I WILL INVITE CODY THE APPLICANT TO INTRO INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND THE PROPOSAL. GO AHEAD, CODY. GOOD AFTERNOON GUYS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. UM, SO WE WERE GOING THROUGH HERE, THERE'S A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS WE WANTED TO MAKE. THE FIRST ONE WAS ON ITEM THREE THAT IT WAS NOT GONNA BE SCREEN DOORS. UH, I'M SORRY THAT IT WAS SCREEN DOORS AND NOT GLASS DOORS, UM, SIMPLY TO REPLACE WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE TO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE USABLE FOR THESE HOMEOWNERS. UM, THE SECOND ONE WAS ON PAGES A 3.1 AND A 2.0 OF THE PLAN SET. IT IS A SIX FOOT PROTRUDING, UM, FRONT PORCH, NOT A NINE FOOT PROTRUDING. UM, THAT DEFINITELY AFFECTS WHAT OUR SETBACKS ARE COMPARED TO BOTH NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE. IT WILL GIVE US MUCH MORE ROOM WITH THE REQUIRED 10 FOOT SETBACK, AND WE WILL NOT BE PROTRUDING QUITE AS FAR AS THE LABORS NEIGHBORS TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT. UM, OKAY. SO THE OTHER PORTION I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT WAS ITEM FOUR ABOUT THE NEW PORCH. SO IT DOES MENTION THAT THERE WAS A PORCH AT ONE POINT IN TIME, UM, AND SOMEONE HAD ENCLOSED IT. WE BELIEVE THAT LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA IN THE SAME DISTRICT, THAT WITH THE COLUMNS AND THE EXPOSED RAPTOR TAILS BEING BROUGHT OUT THE FRONT, IT DOES FIT WITHIN GUIDELINES BY THE CITY AND DOES FIT INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL CRAFTSMAN STYLE. UM, OF COURSE, IN STIPULATIONS FOR IT AS FAR AS TWO BY FOUR MEMBERS THE RAILING, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE. WE, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THIS IS SO FAR OUTSIDE OF THE GUIDELINES, AND PERSONALLY, I THINK ADDING THIS PORCH BRINGS IT CLOSER TO THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF FINDINGS. UM, AND THERE IS A FEW OTHER ADDRESSES MOST IMMEDIATELY RIGHT BEHIND IT ON EAST MAGNOLIA. 8 38, SAME, SAME EXACT CONFIGURATION. THE FRONT PORCH FACADE HAS EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS AND SQUARE COLUMNS THAT ARE NOT TO EXCEED, UH, SIX INCHES SQUARE. SO, UM, THAT IS IT. WE BELIEVE WE'RE VERY CLOSE AND WANTED TO GET YOUR PARTICULAR. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO. OKAY. [02:00:01] UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE FINE. THIS IS FOR CODY. UH, Y'ALL ARE FINE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND TWO AND FIVE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND THEN A QUESTION, THE EXISTING FRONT, UH, MODIFICATIONS, THAT IS A SCREEN PORCH, IS THAT CORRECT? THE FRONT PORTION OF IT IS SCREENED, YES. OKAY. AND THE SIDE HAS, UM, HAS THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING, AND SO IT LOOKS MORE PART OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. SO THE DOOR AND THE TWO WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE, THAT'S ALL, UH, SCREENED, CORRECT? YES. AND WILL REMAIN SCREENED. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING SLIDING SCREEN SCREEN DOORS? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I, SO THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES, SIR. AS I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS, THERE ARE, UM, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE THREE, THREE STEPS UP TO THAT EXISTING SCREENED IN PORCH, BUT I DON'T SEE AN INDICATION FOR STEPS IN THE NEW PROPOSAL, UNLESS I'M MISSING IT IN ONE OF THE DRAWINGS. UM, IS THERE, YES. UM, ON THE DRAWINGS, A 3.1 SOUTH ELEVATION FOUR, YOU CAN SAY THE STEPS. THERE'S FRONT END TO THE SIDE. YES. THANK YOU. I SAW, I SEE THAT. I ALSO SEE IN YOUR A 200, UH, OR 2.0, YOU HAVE STEPS, BUT WHAT I DON'T SEE THEN MAYBE IS HOW THOSE ARE BEING RESOLVED IN THE SITE PLAN. AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY KIND OF TRIGGERED THAT FOR ME, IS LOOKING AT, UH, YOU SAID, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY A SIX FOOT DEEP PORCH AND I'M NOT SEEING HOW THEN YOU'RE RESOLVING THE ISSUE OF THE, OF THE STEPS WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, THE 10 FOOT SETBACK. ARE YOU ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE STEPS WITHOUT ENCROACHING INTO THE 10 FOOT SETBACK? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A, FROM THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO THE SETBACK IS, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO THE STREET IS 19 FEET. EVEN WITH THOSE STEPS AND THE SIX FOOT PORCH, WE ARE WELL WITHIN THE NINE FEET OFF THE STRUCTURE. SO WE WOULD NOT BE ENCROACHING ON THE 10 FOOT SETBACK. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME. CHAIRMAN. ABSOLUTELY. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I'M, I THINK THAT THE, THAT THE, THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH THAT'S SCREENED IN THERE, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR, FOR SOME WORK JUST THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO, TO MODIFY THOSE SCREENS OR IF THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, GLAZED. I THINK THAT WAS MENTIONED. BUT I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE INCLUSION OF AN ADDITIONAL PORCH ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE WHOLE HOUSE BASED ON STAFF'S FINDINGS. THE SETBACKS ARE LESS OF A CONCERN TO ME THAN ALTERING THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THAT. AND I THINK IF THE APPEARANCE OF, OF, OF THIS, UM, ELEVATION AND UTILITY KIND OF THE FRONT YARD REALLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, A RESTORATION OF THE PORCH, UH, THE EXISTING PORCH MAKES JUST MORE SENSE TO ME. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MY OTHER, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THIS, BUT I'LL, I'LL STOP THERE AND, AND WAIT FOR OTHER COMMENTS. OTHER COMMENTS? UH, I'M SEEING IF ANYONE ELSE WANTED TO SPEAK BEFORE I JUMP IN AGAIN. UH, CHAIRMAN, I, UH, THINK, UM, YEAH, I, I THINK I AGREE WITH, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, IT GETS A LITTLE ODD, THE SORT OF, UH, FOR TRADITION ONTO A PORCH AND, AND HOW IT, IT, IT ALTERS THE, THE FRONT CHARACTER OF THE, THE HOUSE PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. SO IT'S, IT, IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A MINOR ASK, UH, FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE, BUT I THINK IT DOES ALTER THINGS PRETTY DRAMATICALLY. AND WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A HOUSE THAT'S THIS SIMPLE AND, UH, THIS STRAIGHTFORWARD AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, CONSTRUCTION AND, AND, UH, CONFIGURATION THAT EVEN THESE SMALL LITTLE MOVES LIKE THIS CAN HAVE A PRETTY, PRETTY BIG IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER. SO I, [02:05:01] I I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IMPACT, UH, CHAIRMAN, JUST, YES, SIR, IN, IN KIND OF ENGAGING, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FURTHER, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I WAS LOOKING AT, AT THE, AT THE ORIGINAL IMAGE THAT IS ON THAT PRECISION PICTURE. AND IT'S, IT'S CLEAR RIGHT, THAT, THAT THAT FRONT IS NOT ORIGINAL, RIGHT? THERE'S A LINE ON THE FASCIA BOARD THAT, THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO LIKE, DO IT ORIGINALLY, THAT LINE WOULDN'T BE THERE. THAT UP AND DOWN THAT VERTICAL JOINT, THE VERTICAL JOINT WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH FURTHER TO THE, TO THE RIGHT IF THAT WAS LIKE GONNA BE ORIGINAL. SO BECAUSE, BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT REALLY THE, THE GENERAL MASTER PLAN OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. AND IT, AND IT'S A BIT OF A, IT'S A BIT OF A HOLISTIC, UH, LET'S SAY STABILIZATION AS OPPOSED TO TRANSFORMATION. AND IN THAT SENSE, THEY, THEY, THE WAY THEY PULL THEIR PORCH AWAY FROM THE SIDE, IT IT LOOKS LIKE, LIKE IT, LIKE, IT'S LIKE IF SOMEBODY DID IT THAT THEY WOULDN'T DO IT AS WELL. LIKE SAY IT WASN'T IN A DISTRICT, RIGHT? SOMEBODY ADDED TO IT. THIS ONE LOOKS KIND OF WELL ARTICULATED. SO I JUST, JUST TO LOOK AT THAT ORIGINAL IMAGE. SEE THAT, THAT PORCH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PORCH ENCLOSURE, RIGHT? AND NOW THERE'S A PORCH VIEW PORCH, RIGHT? IT'S SOMEHOW IN THERE, IT'S, IT'S HAD ONE LIFE AND THEN IT TRANSFORMED INTO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T QUITE WORK. AND THEN THIS IS THE THING THAT REALLY ASKS, STARCH THE DIALOGUE, LET'S MAKE THIS WORK, RIGHT? UM, WOULD WITHOUT BEING, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT Y YAY OR NAYYY, YOU KNOW, J JUST TO ENGAGE A LITTLE FURTHER IN THE DIALOGUE, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. YES, MA'AM. UM, THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SOME PROPERTIES NEXT DOOR AND ACROSS THE STREET. SO I WENT ON GOOGLE AND THERE IS A PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAS EXTENDED THEIR PORCH. I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED OR IF IT DID GO THROUGH THE, THE, UH, THE BOARD HERE, BUT THAT IS, UH, MAYBE AN OPTION OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THAT THERE IS, AND I THINK IT'S, AND THAT KIND OF ALSO CAN GIVE US A VISUAL OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. I MAYBE WOULD SUGGEST EXTENDED NINE FEET TOTAL, MAYBE LESS TO MAKE IT LESS ABRUPT. OR THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, GO BACK AND CONFIGURE A PORCH EXTENSION MORE LIKE A GABLE ARON. BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURE. BUT THERE IS A PROPERTY NEXT DOOR THAT IS VERY SIMILAR THAT IT WOULD HAVE, THAT HAS THAT. SO I MEAN, MAYBE THIS COULD BE A D R C DISCUSSION JUST ON THIS, YOU KNOW, PORCH EXTENSION. UM, COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, I, I, I STILL WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO BE CONSIDERED MAYBE REDESIGNING IT. COMM UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I BELIEVE I CAN SPEAK TO THE EXAMPLE ACROSS THE STREET AND, AND I DO THINK THE EXAMPLE ACROSS THE STREET IS A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF EXAMPLE. UH, THE, WE DID, UH, CAREFULLY REVIEW AND STUDY, UH, THIS REQUEST A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. THIS WAS AN INSTANCE WHERE WE HAD A PRIMARY FACADE WITHOUT US, AN ACCESSIBLE ENTRANCE. THERE WAS NEVER A PORCH. AND, AND IN MY MIND, THAT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES THE NATURE OF THIS. I DON'T THINK THAT IS LIKE THIS. I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO, TO FURTHER DISCUSS THIS AND MAYBE A SITE VISIT IF THAT'S WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME RIGHT NOW, I CAN SUPPORT ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FIVE AND I CAN'T SUPPORT ITEMS THREE AND FOUR. UH, CAN MR. CHAIR, CAN WE GET STAFF TO GO TO PAGE A DASH 1.2 OF THE, OF THE DRAWINGS AND THEN ZOOM IN ON DRAWING SEVEN? I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, I THINK IT WOULD SEEM THAT THAT BEAM WOULD WRAP, BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO BE NICE TO BE NICELY, NICELY HANDLED TO, TO A DEGREE. PROBABLY NEEDS A LITTLE, SLIGHTLY MORE OF A SLOW, BUT, AND THEN, AND THEN LIKE, IF I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPLIT YOUR SCREEN AND PUT WHAT'S UP. WHAT, WHAT THE IMAGE OF THE REAL BUILDING IS, [02:10:03] THE GREEN BUILDING. , BUT COMMISSIONER VELA, 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF ALSO THE IDEA OF, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH COMMENTS. MAYBE WE COULD ENTERTAIN A SITE VISIT OR READ, UH, MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE LARGER DISCUSSION OF THIS FRONT PORCH AND, AND GOING MORE INTO DETAILS OF WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. I, I I, I MEAN A A A D R C IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YES. FOR THIS ITEM, YEAH. I COULD SUPPORT A D R C TO LOOK AT THE FRONT PORCH. IF, IF THERE'S A, A MOTION TO UH, DEAL WITH ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FIVE, UH, OR WE JUST MOVE THE WHOLE THING, UH, TILL AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE D R C, I COULD SUPPORT EITHER WAY. WELL, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE WHOLE THING TO A D R C 'CAUSE I THINK IT ALL KIND OF TOUCHES QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE DEALT WITH THERE ON SITE OR ON ZOOM. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO A D R C. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. COMMISSIONER I SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AITE. D R C, COULD THAT BE MODIFIED TO CITE D R C? CITE D R C AND A SECOND? SECOND SUSTAINED. OKAY. MAY I HAVE A MO UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? FISH? AYE. QUEZ? AYE. AREOLA. I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE LEFT ZOOMER ON. AYE, CARPENTER? AYE. AYE. ZER? AYE. AYE. . AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU CODY. UH, STAFF WILL BE GETTING WITH YOU TO SCHEDULE THAT, UH, ONSITE, UH, REVIEW COMMITTEE 1122. RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SOUND. YES. [22. Address/Description: 801 MATAGORDA HDRC Case No.: 2021-349 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: David Buchanan/Better by Design Request: Window replacement - non conforming windows with wood windows City Council Dist.: 1  ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 49 8 0 1. MATAGORDA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE. REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS TWO, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS. THREE. INSTALL A SIDE YARD DECK FOUR. REMOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL REAR ADDITION. FIVE. CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION. AND SIX, REMOVE THE THREE INOPERABLE CHIMNEYS. RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WINDOWS THE SIZE OF THE HISTORIC WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED TRANSOM WINDOW CONFIGURATION. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING C C THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD DOORS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DECK INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE WIDTH OF THE DECK STAIRS TO MORE CLOSELY MATCH THE WIDTH OF THE OF THE FRONT PORCH STAIRS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN TO STAFF OR REVIEW AN APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM FOUR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE MATERIALS FROM THE REAR ADDITION, INCLUDING SALVAGEABLE WOOD SIDING, BE SALVAGED AND STORED FOR USE ON SITE AND FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OR USED IN THE NEW REAR ADDITION. ITEM FIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE STORY REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS G THROUGH K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE, THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS I AND J, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS SHOWING A TRADITIONAL WINDOW PROPORTIONS ON THE REAR ELEVATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS ON THE REAR. ADDITION. AS NOTED IN FINDING J, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF, STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES AN OFFSET OR VERTICAL TRIM PIECE AT THE REAR ADDITION TO DISTINGUISH THE REAR ADDITION FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AND ITEM SIX, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CHIMNEY REMOVAL BASED ON FINDING [02:15:01] L AND THE APPLICANT, DAVID BUCHANAN IS ON THE LINE. DAVID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AT THIS TIME AND SPEAK TO YOUR REQUEST ITEMS? HOWDY. UM, I DON'T THINK I CAN TALK AS FAST AS YOU RACHEL . THAT'S OKAY. ? UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU FOLKS DO BECAUSE ALL WE DO IS WORK IN HISTORICAL HOMES AND WE LOVE THESE GUYS. UH, AS FAR AS THE CHIMNEYS GO, I, IN MY 30 YEARS I'VE NEVER SEEN CHIMNEYS LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE FIREPLACES OR CHIMNEYS UNDER THEM. THEY WERE APPARENTLY DESIGNED FOR WOOD STOVES, AND SO YOU HAVE ALL THIS MASONRY THAT IS BEING SUPPORTED BY THE TOP OF WALLS, AND SO THEY'RE VERY TOP HEAVY. BUT THE SITUATION NOW IS THAT MY CLIENT WANTS TO REMODEL THE HOUSE AND MOVE SOME OF THESE NON-SUPPORTIVE WALLS. HOWEVER, THEY, SOME OF THOSE WALLS ARE SUPPORTING THOSE CHIMNEYS. RACHEL, DID WE LOSE YOU? SHE CAN'T ANSWER. UM, OH, I'M HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. DID WE LOSE THE APPLICANT? I'M HERE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I I THOUGHT WE DROPPED THE CALL. KEEP GOING. NO, NO. UH, I, SO YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THESE ARE NON-FUNCTIONAL CHIMNEYS AND YOU HAVE, LIKE I SAID, ALL THIS MASONRY IS BEING SUPPORTED BY INTERIOR WALLS RATHER THAN A PROPER FOUNDATION THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY EXPECT TO FIND UNDER A CHIMNEY. UM, AND SO IF WE WANT TO REMODEL THE INTERIOR, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOME UNIQUE WAY TO SUPPORT THESE CHIMNEYS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER CHAIRMAN, ONE MOMENT. COMMISSIONER, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DO NOT. OKAY. I JUST, UH, WANT TO CLARIFY. SO ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE, UH, MR. BUCHANAN, YOU'RE FINE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND SO YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER YOUR REQUEST ON ITEM SIX, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, I GUESS IT SHOULD BE MENTIONED THAT THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS DONATING $6,000 TOWARDS A NEW ROOF. AND OF COURSE, WE DON'T WANT TO STEP ON THEIR TOES, BUT IF YOU FOLKS DECIDED IT MADE SENSE TO REMOVE THE CHIMNEYS, THEN WE WOULD HAVE MORE AMMUNITION WITH THEM. BUT IF THEY SAY, HEY, THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS GRANT, IF YOU'RE GONNA MESS WITH THE CHIMNEYS, THEN WE WILL NOT DO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DOES, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, SIR. SO, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU HAD A QUESTION OR COMMENT? YES, THANK YOU, SIR. UM, WE'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS, UH, IN, IN BOTH IN PRACTICE AND ALSO IN THIS COMMISSION, UH, WHERE THERE'S THESE INSTANCES WHERE THERE ARE THESE KIND OF SMALL, UH, UTILITY FUEL, UH, UH, FLUES, UH, THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PUT IN FOR THE PURPOSES OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, LIKE FRANKLIN STOVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, UM, WHAT HA WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, UH, ON SIMILAR SITUATIONS WHERE THERE WAS A RECONFIGURING OF THE INTERIOR IS WHERE THEY, UH, BASICALLY BRACE THAT CHIMNEY, UM, REMOVE WHAT PORSCHE OF THEY NEED TO, TO BE, BE ABLE TO DO THE INTERIOR RECONFIGURING, BUT THEN CONSTRUCT A STEEL ANGLE SUPPORT UP IN THE ROOF STRUCTURE ITSELF TO RETAIN THOSE KIND OF CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, THE PROFILE OF THEM PROTRUDING FROM THE ROOFS, BUT ALSO FREE UP THE INTERIOR PLANNING. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, INVESTIGATE? ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK THAT IS A EXCELLENT IDEA ACTUALLY. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE MOVED FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, UH, FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND THE FURTHER STIPULATION THAT, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT SEEK A, UH, SOLUTION, UH, UH, THAT RETAINS THE EXISTING CHIMNEYS, UH, ON THE EXTERIOR WHILE PERMITTING THEIR REMOVAL ON THE INTERIOR. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER, I'LL SECOND TO ENGAGE IN THE DIALOGUE, BUT I, I WANNA, YOU [02:20:01] KNOW, JUST, UH, BRING, YOU KNOW, TO ATTENTION A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS HERE. THE, THE, THE ITEM THAT I, I BELIEVE IN HERE IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, JUST WITH RESPECT TO THE, TO THE BUILDING AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN ADDITION AND, AND WHAT ALTERATION IS BEING MADE. RIGHT. UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE, THIS, THE ROOF SOLUTION IS REALLY OUTTA CHARACTER WITH ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO, LIKE THE PROJECT WE SAW EARLIER THAT IS DOING AN ALTERATION WITH A MODERN BUILDING MEETING, A NEW BUILDING, UH, I, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE THREE OF THE DRAWING SET, PAGE THREE OF THE DRAWING SET, UM, THE DWGS, OKAY. AND THEN ZOOM IN ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION, AND YOU COULD EVEN GET IT, YOU COULD EVEN GET FROM PAGE ONE AS WELL. I THINK PAGE ONE, PAGE ONE ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATES IT BETTER IF YOU GO TO PAGE ONE. UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I JUST KIND OF ALSO THAT FOR STAFF TO BE, YOU KNOW, LISTENING, UH, TO THESE COMMENTS, THE, THERE, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING APPROPRIATE ABOUT THAT ROOF. AND IT'S ODD TO ME THAT THAT IS ENTERTAINED AS A, AS A SOLUTION, UH, PARTICULARLY AS IT COMES DOWN IN THE, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE ON, ON ANOTHER DRAWING THERE, THOSE, THE LONG WINDOWS THAT IT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE CONTEXT OF ANYTHING THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE A NORMAL CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THIS ONE IS GETS PASSED BY. LIKE THAT I, I, I JUST DON'T GET IT. UH, THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT, THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS ALREADY AND THE WAY THAT THE ADDITION IS DEALT WITH NOW, THE ADDITION CAN STILL BE RAISED WHILE STAYING UNDERNEATH THE ROOF WITHOUT AFFECTING THAT HISTORIC FORM THAT IS DISAPPEARING BECAUSE OF THESE TYPE OF SOLUTIONS. AND ALL THAT MEANS, MR. CHAIR, IS THAT, IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS CONFIGURATION AND WHERE THE PROPER ROOF IS, YOU KNOW, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, WE GET TO A POINT WHERE IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT, NOT NOT, UM, WHERE IT ABSOLUTELY ALTERS THE, THE, UH, THE STORY. RIGHT? TO ME, THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A WAY, THERE'S A PERIOD OF ADDITION TO THIS PERIOD OF HOUSE WHERE THE ADDITION BECOMES A PART OF THE VOCABULARY OF THE HOUSE AND THE PROPER WAY TO ADD TO THEM, THEY FORM A LANGUAGE, RIGHT? SO IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS THAT, AND TO, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS AS WELL, THAT, OR, OR HIS MOTION AS WELL, THAT COMMISSIONER, I, I CAN'T, I, I PERSONALLY, BECAUSE IT'S AN EXISTING PIECE OF OLD ARCHITECTURE, I CAN'T SEE THAT SUPPORTING THE, THE ADDITION TO THIS IN THAT WAY, THE WAY THAT THAT IS DONE. I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT A D R C OR, OR A SECOND PROPOSAL FOR HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT ROOF BECAUSE BY CREATING A MINIMAL SLOPE LIKE THAT, THAT MINIMAL SLOPE COULD HAVE BEGUN ANYWHERE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BEGIN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOP OR, OR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TOP OF A, OF A, OF AN EXISTING SLOPE. THAT IS TOTALLY CHARACTERISTIC OF, OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT GOT BY. WELL, I, I, I'LL MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD COMMENT. UM, UH, A GOOD OBSERVATION THERE. THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF BRIGHT SHED ROOF ADDITIONS DONE HISTORICALLY. UH, YOU THINK ABOUT THE OLD, YOU KNOW, THE PROFILE OF THE OLD TEXAS PIONEER HOME, UM, WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT ROOF, WHERE THE ROOF ADDITION HITS IS A PRETTY CRITICAL THING. AND I, I WOULD AGREE THAT IN THE NUANCE OF THIS, IT'S HITTING A LITTLE HIGH, UH, ON THE, ON THE MASSING TO KINDA GET THAT, THAT SORT OF EFFECT. UM, IT ALSO, IT, THE, THE TI OFFENSIVE, UH, THE OFFENSE, UH, OFFENSIVE I'M GONE TODAY, UM, OF, OF THE PROPERTY HERE. SO THAT'S, THAT I THINK IS, IS A GOOD, GOOD COMMENT. SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL BEND MY MOTION, UH, TO, UH, TO SAY, UH, APPROVAL WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, SIXTH, UH, UH, ITEM BEING WHERE THE, UH, ARE RETAINED, UH, BUT THAT, UH, WE [02:25:01] DEFER TO A D R C MEETING, A DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT AND WITH STAFF ABOUT, UH, THE PARTICULARS OF THAT ROOF ADDITION AND HOW THAT MIGHT BE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATELY. AND, UH, MAY I SEE THIS? YEAH. HELLO? YES, SIR. UH, ONE THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEMO THE BACK ADDITION. UH, WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND UP AND, AND USE THE SAME MATERIALS, UH, TO RAISE IT, UH, AS FAR AS THE ROOF LINE, BUT THE CLIENT WAS HOPING TO DO WAS TO GET SOME WINDOWS HIGHER UP. WHAT IF WE GO TO THE PEAK AND, AND CREATE ONE LINE? WELL, WELL SEE. THAT'S THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THE ROOF LINE IS WHERE IT IS, IS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY. AND, AND NOW TO MAXIMIZE THE CEILING HEIGHT, YOU'RE KIND OF MARRIED TO A PARTICULAR, UM, EXISTING INTERIOR HEIGHT. YEAH, THE INTERIOR IS REALLY LOW ON THAT ADDITION. IT'S A CRAPPY FLAT ROOF, HORRIBLE, UGLY ADDITION . SO ANYTHING WE DO IS GONNA BE A A, AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RAISE THAT ROOF LINE JUST A LITTLE BIT BACK THERE. MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. I THINK COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ HAS A GREAT POINT, AND I WANNA BE CAREFUL WE'RE NOT EVEN IMPROVING SOMETHING TODAY THAT IS PORTRAYING SOMETHING. I MEAN, I THINK VELA IS RIGHT ON THE POINT. I MEAN, ARE WE TRYING TO DO A NEW RULE FORM? I MEAN, I THINK OUR FOCUS HAS TO BE, WE HAVE TO REMAIN WHAT'S EXISTING AND HOW THE ADDITION WORKS INTO WHAT'S EXISTING. SO, UH, MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, COULD THAT ITEM JUST BE MOVED TO A D R C WITHOUT ANY STIPULATIONS, WITHOUT ANY APPROVAL? MR. CHAIRMAN, I WITHDRAW MY ORIGINAL, UH, MOTION AND MOVE THAT THE PROJECT BE, UH, DEFERRED TO A D R C. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A D R C. IS THIS A SITE D R C OR A VIRTUAL? I THINK IT COULD BE VIRTUAL. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO DO SITE, UNLESS, UNLESS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL LIKE IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE HISTORIC CONDITION, THAT'S TO REMAIN, UH, CAN'T BE, UH, YOU KNOW, FULLY APPRECIATED VIRTUALLY. I MEAN, YEAH, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADDITIONS, WE CAN'T JUST APPROVE, MODIFY A ROOF FORM BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, BAD CONDITIONS FOR WISHES, WE GOT OUR RE I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? HERNANDEZ? AYE. AYE. QUEZ AYE. ZOOM ON. AYE, CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP A? AYE THAT, AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. WELL, I TELL YOU FOLKS, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO. WELL, THANK YOU, MR. BUCHANAN. STAFF WILL BE GETTING WITH YOU TO, UH, SCHEDULE F D R C. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. ITEM 23. [23. Address/Description: 1129 N HACKBERRY ST 1127 N HACKBERRY ST 1123 N HACKBERRY ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-367 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Mary Hardee Request: Fencing City Council Dist.: 2  ] EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 360 7 11 23 THROUGH 1129 NORTH HAG BERRY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A ROD IRON FENCE AT 11 23, 11 27, AND 1129 NORTH HAG BERRY. THE PROPOSED FENCE WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET, INCLUDING THREE INCHES OF CONCRETE FOUNDATION. THESE THREE ADDRESSED LOTS ARE CURRENTLY VOID OF STRUCTURES AND ARE LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF NORTH HACKBERRY AND SHERMAN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED FENCING NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT IS NOTED IN FINDING B. HAVE THE APPLICANT MISS, UH, MARY ELLEN HARDY ON THE LINE NOW. HI, MY NAME IS MARY ELLEN HARDY, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME TODAY. UH, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH WHAT WAS SAID EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE FENCE NEEDS TO BE FOUR FEET. THEY'RE THREE EMPTY LOTS, THEY'RE THREE COMMERCIAL EMPTY LOTS, AND ACCORDING TO, UM, THE CITY SIDELINES, AND ACCORDING TO, IF YOU LOOK AROUND AT ANY EMPTY LOT OR COMMERCIAL BUILDING, WITHIN A MILE OF MY HOUSE, THEY ALL HAVE SIX TO EIGHT FOOT FENCES OR OF THIS AREA. [02:30:01] UM, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I NEED TO DO A FOUR FOOT FENCE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE A SIX FOOT FENCE. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, REALLY. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? UM, JUST A VERY SHORT ONE FROM SCOTT ALBERT AND A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS. UH, WE SUPPORT STAFF. OKAY. UH, QUESTION MS. HARDY, UH, DO YOU PROPOSE ANY GATES IN THIS FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY? UM, YES. IS IT A WE PROPOSED ONE DATE. OKAY. IS THAT SHOWN ON YOUR PLANS? UH, I DON'T THINK IT WAS SHOWN ON MY PLAN, BECAUSE WHEN I SUBMITTED THE PLAN, I HAVE TO, UM, I HAD A SECRET CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE I NEEDED TO GET A NEW ONE EVERY SIX MONTHS. UM, SO MY ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, SAID IT COULD BE A SIX FOOT FENCE. AND I, BECAUSE I HAVE TO PULL A FENCE PERMIT FOR EACH OF THE LOTS, WE WERE DOING THE FIRST LOT FIRST GOOD ONE. SO I ONLY SUBMITTED A DRAWING. OH, NO, I THINK I SUBMITTED A DRAWING FOR ALL OF IT. UM, WITH THE, THE FENCE IS, IS GOING TO BE ON THE 1123 PROPERTY, OR THE, I'M SORRY, THE GATE. PLEASE FAST IN DRIVER'S SEAT. OKAY. IT APPEARS THAT THE, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS STAFF RECOMMENDS WITH THE STIPULATION OF PROPOSED SIX FOOT ROD AM FENCE AND STONE FILLERS BEING INSTALLED WITHOUT THE PROPOSED STONE BASE APPROVAL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. SO, AND STAFF COMMENT ON THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL OF A SIX FOOT RAW IRON FENCE. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, EACH TIME WE, THAT APPROVAL WAS FROM MORE THAN SEVEN YEARS AGO, EIGHT YEARS AGO. UM, AND SO REVIEWED UNDER RECURRING GUIDELINES AND WHAT IS TYPICALLY APPROVED AND RECOMMENDED, THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION. UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IT'S VACANT AND MAKE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. HAVE THE GUIDELINES CHANGED IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, TALKING ABOUT SIX FOOT OR FOUR FOOT FENCING? THE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED IN THE LAST SEVEN IN YEARS IS IT WENT FROM BEING A FOUR FOOT FENCE TO A FIVE FOOT FENCE. AND NOW ON A VACANT LOT, IT'S SIX, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SIX FOOT. THE GUIDELINES FOR FENCING, OR EXCUSE ME, THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS, TWO D NOTES THAT FENCES AND WALLS SHOULD APPEAR SIMILAR TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT IN TERMS TO THEIR SCALE TRANSPARENCY AND CHARACTER. AND THAT FENCES SHOULD BE INSTALLED WHERE APPROPRIATE HISTORICALLY SHOULD ALSO BE LIMITED TO FOUR FEET WITHIN THE FRONT YARD. MR. CHAIR, THAT WOULD BE , BUT THIS IS COMMERCIAL AND IT'S VACANT LOT. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMERCIAL ROOM. YES, MA'AM. UH, I MEAN TO THE APPLICANT'S, I, I DO FEEL A LITTLE BIT, UM, COMPELLED. I, I'M, I WANNA SAY THE DRAWING RIGHT HERE DOES NOT REALLY TELL ME EXACT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT, UM, JUST TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET ON HACKER THE COMMISSION, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS. SO IT WOULD NOT BE ON HACK RATE, UH, RIGHT. IT WOULD BE ON, SORRY, ON HACKBERRY? NO, NOT ON HACKBERRY. RIGHT THERE, THERE'S A BIG SIX ARM FENCE IN THAT CORNER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT STREET, ACTUALLY, EVERY, EVERY FENCE ON HACKBERRY IN THAT BLOCK AND EVERY FENCE ON SHERMAN IN THAT BLOCK ARE ALL OVER SIX FOOT. YEAH, I WOULD JUST, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT FINDINGS LAST TIME THAT NO CONCRETE BASE AND, AND NO CONCRETE PILLARS THAT WAY. JUST THE BROAD IRON PILLARS, NO CONCRETE. MAKE IT TRANSPARENT IF THE APPLICANT AGREES TO THAT, UM, ACTUALLY THEY SAID NO CONCRETE PILLARS, BUT THEY SAID WE COULD HAVE THE CONCRETE BASE BECAUSE THERE'S A SLOPE THERE AND IT, IT MAKES IT SO THE FENCE IS STABLE AND THE DIRT DOESN'T WASH OUT. IS IS IT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. ALL [02:35:01] THREE OF THEM ARE COMMERCIAL, BUT FOR STORY GUIDELINES, IT DOESN'T CHANGE ITEM. THE, THE ITEM, THE RECOMMENDATION WITH STAFF STIPULATION SAYS WITH STONE PILLARS BE INSTALLED WITHOUT THE PROPOSED STONE BASE. THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION SEVEN YEARS AGO, EIGHT YEARS AGO. YEAH. SO WE DID, THAT'S WHAT WE, SO WE, WE DID DO A PIECE OF THE FENCE SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND WE HAVE A, WE DIDN'T PUT STONE ON IT, WE JUST HAVE, UM, A CEMENT BASE THAT STUCK OUT OF THE GROUND ABOUT THREE INCHES, AND THEN THE, THE METAL PILLARS WENT INTO THE CEMENT BASE. AND THAT'S ALL I WANNA DO IS, IS JUST, UM, CONTINUE THE FENCE THAT I LIKE. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE SIX FOOT INSTEAD OF FOUR FOOT CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER LA. YES, SIR. UH, I'M CURIOUS TO ASK THE APPLICANT, UH, SINCE THE PROPERTY IS VACANT, WHY DO YOU FEEL IT'S NECESSARY FOR A SIX FOOT FENCE? SO I WOULD LIKE TO DO URBAN FARMING, AND SO I'M WANTING TO FENCE IN THE PROPERTY SO THAT WHEN I DO URBAN FARMING, MY STUFF STAYS AS MINE AND IT'S NOT STOLEN. THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE. THERE'S A LOT OF JUST PEOPLE WHO WALK ACROSS THE PROPERTY NOW. WELL, I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE FOREFOOT ON THE DIALOGUE ABOUT THE FOUR FEET. CAN, CAN STAFF CLARIFY? WHY, WHY IS THE DIALOGUE ABOUT FOUR FEET? WE ARE AIRING ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND THAT VINCE HEINSEN LOCATIONS OF FENCES AND DESIGNS, UH, FOLLOW THE PATTERN WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THIS WAS HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL, FRONT FACING. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ZONING HAS CHANGED, BUT WE BELIEVE IT WOULD BE MOST CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AT FOUR FEET. WE ARE COMPLETELY OPEN TO INTERPRET. IT IS, IT IS PROPERTY. PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN RESIDENTIAL BULK. OKAY, BUT NOW, NOW COREY, THE, UH, THE FOUR FOOT RULE OF, LET'S, LET'S SAY THAT THAT IS THE COMING OFF OF WHAT THE APPLICANT JUST SAID ABOUT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, VAGRANT, RIGHT? THE, THE FOUR FOOT RULE, IT, IT, UH, MOST NORMALLY APPLIED, UH, WOULD GO TO ONE WOULD BE ON ONE, ONE FACADE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'D BE AN ARGUMENT THAT THERE'S TWO SIDES RIGHT? NOW, OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE A SIDE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE A CORNER LOT, RIGHT? THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ARGUMENT. BUT EVEN ON A CORNER LOT, ONE OF THOSE ASSUMES A FRONT SETBACK. THAT WOULD BE THE LIMIT TO A SIX FOOT FENCE, RIGHT? SO SAY YOU HAVE A LOT, SOMEONE SAYS, OKAY, THIS I DECLARE THIS IS THE FRONT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON A CORNER, RIGHT? THE SIDE, IF THERE'S NO BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, YOU'D HAVE TO AS ASSUME A SETBACK, WHICH WOULD SAY THAT THE SIX FOOT FLIGHTS WOULD BE ALLOWABLE BEHIND THAT SETBACK, RIGHT? YES. JUST GENERALLY LINE A RULE. OKAY? NOW, SO, SO TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT'S, UM, UH, UH, ARGUMENT, YOU, YOU KNOW, DEALING, DEALING WITH, WITH, WITH FENCES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A FENCE DOES, RIGHT? IF IT'S FIVE OR SIX FEET, WHAT IT DOES IS IT KEEPS PEOPLE WALKING, WALKING BY, DOESN'T NECESSARILY KEEP 'EM FROM JUMPING THE FENCE. UM, SO IT, IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE REAL, THE MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITY THERE WOULD BE TO GET THE SIX FOOT TO THE SIDE SETBACK OF, OF THE PERPENDICULAR LINE SITE THAT YOU CALL THE FRONT, AND TO TAKE THE FOUR FOOT ON THE SIDE THAT YOU CALL THE FRONT AND TAKE THE SIX TO THE SIDE, AND, AND YOU'D PROBABLY BE MAXIMUM, YOU KNOW? SO THE, THE, THE PROBLEM IS, I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE A SIX FOOT FENCE AROUND MY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AND I DON'T, THE, THE RULE IS THERE ARE NO FOUR FOOT ANYWHERE. SO HISTORICALLY THE FENCES IN THAT, ON THAT STREET HAVE ALL BEEN SIX TO EIGHT FOOT, BUT IS IT A, UM, LIKE THE, MY NEIGHBOR DOWN THE STREET, HER FENCE, HER FATHER BUILT HER FENCE AND SHE'S 70. IS IT A SIX AND A IS, IS IT A C COMMERCIAL OR IS IT AN Z COMMERCIAL? IT'S DESIGNATED C TWO C'S. UM, IT'S A C, IT'S C2. WELL SEE, THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, CORY COREY, THAT'S ONE OF THE PITFALLS OF THE C, RIGHT? THE C IS MAXIMIZING THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS AS APPLICABLE WITHOUT, [02:40:01] UM, WHAT THEY CALL, UM, UM, I FORGET WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE TERM CONDITION WITHOUT CONDITIONAL USE. THEN IT'S GENERAL C. AND THEY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO A SIX FOOT ALL THE WAY TO A SIX FOOT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY. WELL, I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE EARTH AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, 3 26 LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A FOUR FOOT BROAD IRON FENCE ON THE FRONT AND THE CORNER HOUSE AT HACKBERRY AND SHERMAN, UH, DIAGON, UH, ACROSS HACKBERRY FROM THIS PROPERTY. LOOKS LIKE IT MAY HAVE A FOUR FOOT FENCE ALONG SHERMAN AND POSSIBLY AROUND PART OF HACKBERRY. UH, IT'S PRETTY COVERED WITH, UH, VEGETATION RIGHT NOW. YEAH. I, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER EVEN SEEN THEIR FENCE. THE, THE FENCE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME IS SIX FOOT, THE FENCE DOWN THE STREET ON SHERMAN, IT'S 78 INCHES. WE MEASURED IT, UM, AT 3 26 SHERMAN, THAT IS FOUR FOOT BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS RESIDENTIAL. AND WE FOLLOWED THE RESIDENTIAL RULES WHEN WE DID THAT, BECAUSE WHEN WE APPLIED, YOU GUYS SAID IT'S RESIDENTIAL, YOU MUST HAVE A FOUR FOOT FENCE. BUT WE DID A FOUR FOOT FENCE. OKAY? I, I'D LOVE THAT. REDO IT AND DO A SIX FOOT FENCE BECAUSE YOU GUYS WOULD LET ME, THEN IT WOULD MATCH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY ON THE STREET. WELL, STAFF IS GOING BY WHAT THE, THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND FOR, UM, FENCING, FRONT YARD FENCING IN, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT IT IS COMMERCIAL AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMMERCIAL. IT STARTED OUT AS A CHURCH, UM, AND BACK IN THE 18 HUNDREDS, AND THEN IT CHANGED TO A CORNER STORE, AND THEN IT HAD A, UM, A BALLROOM, LIKE A DANCE ROOM ON TOP AND A DRUG STORE ON THE BOTTOM UP UNTIL 2007. SO THE PROPERTY'S ALWAYS BEEN COMMERCIAL. MR. CHERRY, THERE, THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE OLD J ZONES. IT, IT SEEMS THAT THIS PROPERTY, ONE OF THE WEAKNESSES OR STRENGTHS, DEPENDING ON WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON, UM, THAT THE STRENGTH IS THAT IT HAS A STRAIGHTFORWARD C AND BECAUSE LIKE IF IT WAS AN I D Z, IT WOULD BE CONTINGENT WHAT THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY USED FOR, RIGHT? SO SAY THAT YOU HAD A RESIDENTIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT IT WAS USED COMMERCIALLY. IT WOULD TAKE THE, THE COMMERCIAL, UM, WHICH IN THE STRAIGHTFORWARD C UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE MAXIMUM RIGHTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT APPLIES TO THE GUIDELINES OF THE, OF, OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IF THERE'S ACTUALLY NOT SOMETHING THERE, AND IF THE PROPOSED USE IS, IS COMMERCIAL, IT'S A COMMUNITY GARDEN, I WOULD THINK IS COMMERCIAL. ALL OF THE FENCES AROUND ALL OF THE BUSINESSES, LITERALLY WITHIN A MILE OF MY HOUSE ALL HAVE SIX TO EIGHT FOOT FENCES. SO HISTORICALLY, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE SIX FOOT FENCE IS APPROPRIATE. THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. I DON'T HAVE ANY INCONVENIENCE WITH THE SIX FOOT. UM, I DON'T HAVE AN INCONVENIENCE WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN FRONT OF US WITH THE CONCRETE BASE. I THINK THAT'S, I'M NOT FULLY UNDERSTANDING THAT YET. UM, I WOULD SAY, UM, COMMERCIAL, NOT COMMERCIAL DOESN'T HAVE IT IS, I MEAN, YES, THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPERTIES IN THE VICINITY THAT HAVE THE SIX FOOT FENCE, AND I THINK THAT WILL BE THE REASON FOR WHAT I'M, WHY I'VE OBSESSED IT. YEAH. THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I CONCUR. I MEAN, THE ZONING IS IRRELEVANT TO THIS, UH, DISCUSSION. IT'S WHAT IS PERVASIVE IN THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT OF THIS PROPERTY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF, IF, UH, WE'RE HEARING ACCURATELY THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S A VARIATION THAT MANY OF THEM ARE INTO THE SIX FOOT RANGE, I, I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO, TO THAT. UM, I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THIS IS REVERSIBLE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, IF, IF THE FUNCTION, THE USE OF , THAT CAN BE . I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON SITE PLAN THREE. [02:45:10] IT IS THE GOOGLE MAP. THERE'S A RED BOX THAT GOES AROUND 3 26 SHERMAN, BUT THE APPLICATION FOR THE SIX FOOT FENCE IS, I WANNA CLARIFY THAT IT IS STRICTLY FOR THE THREE PROPERTIES ON HACKBERRY AND DOES NOT INCLUDE 3 26 SHERMAN. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE 3 26 SHERMAN. OKAY, THANK YOU. BECAUSE YOU ALREADY PUT UP A SIX FOOT FENCE ON 3 26 SHERMAN, RIGHT? NO, I ONLY PUT A FOUR FOOT FENCE. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT IF YOU GUYS WERE GONNA LET ME PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE, I'LL REAPPLY AND CHANGE THE FENCE, BUT RIGHT UP WHERE YOUR FOUR FOOT FENCE ENDS, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE CONTINUING A SIX FOOT JUST FOR THOSE PROPERTIES. ACTUALLY THERE, THERE IS A DRIVEWAY THERE FOR 3 26 SHERMAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, UM, A DRIVEWAY THERE. SO IT'S NOT PART OF THIS, BUT WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE STARTS FOR THE 1129 HACKBERRY, IT WILL START SIX FOOT. SEE, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING IS THAT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, RIGHT? IS THAT YOU, YOU COULD, THERE'S AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN THAT COMMUNITY AND, AND DOWN THE STREET FROM THERE ON BERRY IS YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THROUGH ANY REGULATORY PROCESS WHERE SOMEBODY APPROVED THAT EIGHT FOOT FENCE, THAT'S WITHOUT SAYING, HEY, SOMEBODY SHOULD GO OVER THERE AND TELL THAT PERSON THAT THEIR FENCE IS ILLEGAL. RIGHT? UH, THE THING IS THAT, SO THE A FOOT UHHUH, GO AHEAD. A FOOT FENCE WAS BUILT PROBABLY 70 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU GUYS DIDN'T EXIST. THE TIN THE TIN, IT'S A BRAND NEW FENCE THAT'S A BRAND NEW. IT'S ONLY WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS. IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AFTER THE DAKOTA BAR. AND, AND THE, THE, THE THING ABOUT IT IS, IS THAT YOU, YOU HAVE A STREET. I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THERE'S THAT AS WE GET FURTHER UP, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DIG HILL, RIGHT? WE HAD THE TWO HOUSES AND THE GUY WENT THROUGH ALL THAT TROUBLE WITH US BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO PUT UP A FENCE BETWEEN TWO HOUSES, RIGHT? NEW CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS A SITUATION THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT I READ, THE WAY THAT NOR THE, THE, THE RULES ARE NORMALLY APPLIED IS THAT WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA CALL THE FRONT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE'S THIS, THERE'S A FOUR FOOT RULE ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S WHY THE SIDE IS SO IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOUR REAL OPPORTUNITY IS. BUT IF YOU PUT A SIX FOOT, THEN IN EFFECT WHAT YOU DO IS YOU CREATE THAT PRECEDENT THAT SAYS THAT'S SIX FOOT, SIX FOOT IN THE FRONT WHERE YOU HAVE WHAT MAY BE COMMERCIAL, BUT WHAT IS ARCHITECTURALLY RESIDENTIAL. IT CREATES A SITUATION THAT'S NOT LOOKING AT THE WRONG, THE WRONG PROPERTY OVER HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S NEVER BEEN RESIDENTIAL. YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. YES, SIR. MR. . AND THAT IT'S LIKE, SORRY. UM, I'LL, I'LL ATTEMPT TO MAKE A MOTION HERE, SEE IF THERE'S ANY SUPPORT AMONGST MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND, AND REMIND THE, UH, APPLICANT THAT THEY CAN, UH, APPEAL OUR DECISION IF THEY DO NOT AGREE. YES. SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFFS FOR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FENCING NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. SO, NO, BUT STOP FOR A MINUTE. JUST FOR A MINUTE. THERE ARE NO FOREFOOT FENCES ANYWHERE IN THERE AROUND ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. WHY AM I BEING LIMITED TO FOUR FEET? MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION. WHAT, WHAT IS THE COMMERCIAL USE? CURRENTLY IT'S C2 COMMERCIAL. RIGHT NOW IT'S AN EMPTY LOT. LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO DO URBAN FARMING, AND THAT'S BEEN MY GOAL. UM, PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS A DRUGSTORE. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE. AND IF, UM, MS. HARDY DOESN'T AGREE WITH IF THIS PASSES, THEN SHE CAN'T APPEAL IT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SO, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? OKAY. FERNANDEZ. MR. FERNANDEZ FISH AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. ZORAN AYE. CARPENTER? AYE ROBE? AYE BETS? AYE. BUFFET? AYE. MOTION [02:50:01] CARRIES. MOTION, CARRIE, SO I'M JUST KIND OF CONFUSED. HOW COME YOU GAVE ME A SIX FOOT FENCE BEFORE, BUT NOW I HAVE TO HAVE A FOUR FOOT FENCE AND NOW I HAVE TO GO SOMEPLACE ELSE TO ASK FOR A SIX FOOT FENCE, MR. CHAIR, I'M JUST REALLY, YES, MA'AM. UH, JUST NEED TO CLARIFY. UH, COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR VOTE. AYE, I THINK SHE, OH, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE LEFT THE CALL. I SEE YOU NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MS. HARDY. STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, CLARIFY YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE NOT THANK YOU. ITEM 24. [24. Address/Description: 207 W MULBERRY AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021-243 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Gerald (Jerry) Wilson Request: Front facade and front walkway modifications City Council Dist.: 1  ] UH, RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 HT R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 2 43 2 0 7 WEST MULBERRY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE THAT PARTIALLY DEMOLISHED AND REDUCED THE LENGTH OF THE EAST WING WALL. TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY AND THREE, INSTALL A REAR PATIO RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO MODIFY THE EXISTING EAST WING WALL BASED ON FINDING C. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF FRONT STEP AND LANDING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE WALKWAY MODIFICATIONS REMAIN WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING WALKWAY AND MATCH THE EXISTING WALKWAY IN WIDTH AND DESIGN. AN UPDATED SITE PLAN MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REAR PATIO INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE PROPOSED PATIO AND THE PERCENTAGE OF PROPOSED LOT COVERAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. LOT COVERAGE MUST NOT EXCEED 50%. AND THE APPLICANT JERRY WILSON AND CHRIS VERNEY ARE ON THE LINE WITH US. UM, CHRIS AND JERRY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND DISCUSS YOUR REQUEST AT THIS TIME? SURE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW OUR CASE TODAY. UH, JERRY, MY, I'M CHRIS, UH, AND JERRY'S ON THE LINE WITH ME. SO I'M THE OWNER OF V H S OUTDOOR LIVING, AND JERRY IS OUR, UH, LEAD DESIGNER WHO, UH, PUT TOGETHER THE SERIES OF DOCUMENTS THAT YOU GUYS WILL SEE, UH, IN FRONT OF YOU HERE. UM, JERRY, DO YOU WANT TO JUST JUMP IN AND SAY HI? HELLO. THANK YOU FOR REVIEWING OUR REQUESTS. SO I, I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE, THIS IS MY FIRST GO JERRY'S, UH, BEEN HERE AND DONE THIS BEFORE. UH, AS FAR AS THE ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, THE MODIFYING OF THE E WING, UH, FINDING, THE FINDING C, THE ONLY DOCUMENTATION WE COULD FIND, UH, RELATED TO, UH, FENCE LOCATION, UH, AS, AS IT RELATES TO THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING. UH, SO THIS PARTICULAR WING WALL, IF YOU REFER TO THE PAGE 27 ON YOUR DOCUMENTS THAT, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE COLLECTED, IF, IF YOU CAN JUMP TO THAT PAGE, UH, THERE'S A SECTION AND MR. FETZER'S BEEN ON SITE BEFORE, AND THERE MAY BE SOME, ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT I CAN'T SEE, UH, THEIR FACES, UH, WERE AT THE ONSITE MEETING, UH, BUT IT'S IN REFERENCE TO THE TWO A, THE, UH, OR SORRY, UH, WHAT IS THAT? UH, FOUR A RATHER THE DETERIORATING WING WALL ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND THE WHOLE IDEA THERE IS ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE WALL AT SOME POINT. AND THAT'S FOUND IN, UH, LET'S SEE, SIX A. YOU'LL SEE A PHOTO OF WHERE THAT WALL AT SOME POINT WAS, UH, KIND OF STUBBED OFF OR REMOVED. UH, MY BEST GUESS IS TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THAT SIDE OF THE YARD. IT, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH PREVIOUSLY, UH, THE WALL EXTENDED SO FAR THAT THERE WASN'T GATE OR PEDESTRIAN ACCESS OR, OR INSUFFICIENT, UH, FOR THAT, UH, SECTION SHOWN IN SIX A. BUT IF YOU GO UP TO THE ONE IN FOUR A, YOU'LL SEE THAT WALL EXTENDS, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY FURTHER. THE WHOLE IDEA THERE IS TO CUT THAT WALL BACK IF, IF PERMISSIBLE, TO CUT THAT WALL BACK FOR TWO REASONS. ONE IS TO PROPERLY BALANCE THE HOME, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, UH, THERE'S A SERIES OF HERITAGE OAKS THERE. AND, AND YOU CAN START TO SEE THOSE IN THE ADJACENT PHOTO IN THREE A. LET SEE IF YOU GUYS ARE THERE. UH, I'M CHECKING TO SEE. ARE YOU, ARE Y'ALL WITH ME ON THE, THE PDFS? ARE YOU ABLE TO I CAN'T. IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR SCREEN. OH, YEAH, YEAH. I'M SORRY. THERE'S A SLIDE DELAY. I CAN GIVE YOU A REAL, WHAT YOUR SCREEN SHOWS. OKAY. SO SHE JUMPED TO PAGE 24. MM-HMM. JUMPED TO PAGE 24 AND, UH, PHOTOGRAPH NUMBER ONE OVER L DASH THREE C MM-HMM. SHOWS THE WALL WITH THE CRACK ON IT, WITH THE THREE HERITAGE OAKS AND A, UM, MOUNT WALL THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO TAKE OUT. UM, ONE OF THOSE, THE, THE, THE FARTHEST, UH, LIVE OAK TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS WITHIN ONE FOOT OF THAT WING [02:55:01] WALL. AND REGARDLESS THE WAY I SEE IT, IF WE WERE, IF WE TAKE OUT THAT WALL AND TRY AND MAKE THE LENGTH OF THE WING WALL MATCH THE OTHER WING WALL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, OF THE SYMMETRICAL, UH, FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE, IT'LL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT, THE, THE PROBLEMS THAT WILL OCCUR IN THE FUTURE WITH THE ROOTS OF THOSE HERITAGE TREES HEAVING UP THAT WALL AFTER IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REPLACED AND FIXED. UM, MY GUESS IS THAT THOSE, THOSE OAKS ARE PROBABLY ORIGINAL TO HOUSE AND THEY WEREN'T THE SIZE THAT THEY'RE AT NOW. UH, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STOP DEVELOPING. SO IT, IT'LL BE VERY CHALLENGING TO TAKE OUT THAT WALL AND THEN REPLACE IT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S AT AND NOT SUFFER FUTURE DAMAGE BY THE SAME ROOTS THAT CAUSE THIS DAMAGE. UM, ALSO THE WING WALL, THIS IS THE EAST SIDE WING WALL THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WEST SIDE WING WALL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, ONCE AGAIN, THE, THE SYMMETRICAL FRONT FACADE. UH, IT, IT, IT WAS NEVER THIS LENGTH. UH, IT WAS ABOUT HALF THE LENGTH OF THE HORIZONTAL SECTION HERE, BECAUSE THERE SIMPLY ISN'T THAT MUCH PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN ALTERED, AND WE ARE JUST HOPING TO HAVE THE HOUSE LOOK PROPERLY BALANCED FROM THE EXTERIOR, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE FOOTING FOR THE WING WALL EXTENDS THIS LENGTH IN THIS, UH, ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE. UM, UH, I GUESS THE, THE KIND OF THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT THE WALL NEEDS TO BE REBUILT. SO THE, THE WALL IS, UH, WOOD FRAMED. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT LARGE CRACK THAT'S, UH, KIND OF NEAR THE, UH, , A CURVING PART OF THE WALL, MY, THE TERMINOLOGY ESCAPES ME AT THE MOMENT. BUT ALL OF THAT IS WOOD STRUCTURE AND IT'S ALL DETERIORATING AND, AND BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S, UH, REMAINS STANDING ON A HOPE AND A PRAYER. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT REBUILDING THAT WALL. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE REBUILD IT OVER THOSE EXISTING, UH, ROOTS AND RISK DAMAGING THE ROOTS OR, OR RISK UNDERMINING THE WALL AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, OR ARE WE ABLE TO CUT THAT BACK, UH, AS PROPOSED SO IT BETTER MATCHES THE OTHER SIDE? UH, SAVES THE CUSTOMER SOME, UH, THE CLIENT SOME MONEY AND NOT HAVING TO REBUILD THE WHOLE WALL AND AVOIDS THE ISSUE OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY HAVING, UH, FURTHER ISSUES DOWN THE LINE AS THOSE, UH, TREE ROOTS CONTINUE TO MOVE. SO, UH, THAT ADDRESSES, I'M ASSUMING I SHOULD JUST KEEP GOING THROUGH THE, THE THREE ITEMS, BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THE ITEM NUMBER ONE. UH, THE ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE FRONT STEPS. SO ESSENTIALLY, LET'S SEE, I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO PAGE 27, YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING FRONT STOOP YOU DO. SO IT'S, UH, PAGE 27, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN A, YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING FRONT SEAT. SO THE, THE FIRST TWO STEPS COMING OUT OF THE HOME, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CLOSE TO CODE. I THINK THE SECOND ONE IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT EARTH MOVEMENT THERE THAT CAUSED THAT SECTION OF CONCRETE TO SLIDE DOWN. AND I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT THE DEPTH OF THAT RISER IS, BUT IT'S, IT EXCEEDS EIGHT INCHES, I THINK ON THE RIGHT SIDE IT EVEN EXCEEDS, UH, NINE AND A HALF INCHES. SO THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO REMOVE THAT SECTION THAT SUNKEN DOWN. THOSE THREE STEPS WITH THOSE LITTLE TINY WING WALLS, UH, ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AND IN THEIR PLACE. UH, REAL SIMPLY JUST GO BACK WITH THE SAME PATTERN AS IT IS UP ON THE CURVE SIDE. SO YOU, YOU HAVE THESE, UH, AGAIN, KIND OF THESE WINGS THAT GO AROUND TO THE, UH, THE CURVE LINEAR, UH, STEPS. AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS BASICALLY JUST A MERE IMAGE OF THAT. SO PODIUM IS THE WRONG WORD TO USE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE MASTER PLAN OF THE FRONT YARD. BUT ESSENTIALLY JUST THESE BUMP OUTS WHERE, UH, SOME POTS COULD BE, UH, SET THERE AGAIN, AS WE, YOU TOLD MR. FETZER, UM, DURING THE ONSITE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, HELLMAN ON HAVING THESE, UH, PODIUMS HERE. WE THINK IT, IT COMPLETELY CONFORMS TO THE LIKELINESS, UH, OF WHAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE MIGHT HAVE BEEN FOR THE PATHWAYS. UH, SOMEONE MADE A COMMENT DURING THE ONSITE MEETING THAT IT, IT LOOKED LIKE THAT THE STEPS LEADING UP TO THE FRONT APPROACH WEREN'T ORIGINAL TO THE HOME ANYWAY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ESSENTIALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, A NOD TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOME, UH, BEING A ITALIAN, UH, RENAISSANCE REVIVAL. THE WHOLE IDEA WOULD BE TO INCORPORATE SOME SORT OF ITALIAN STYLE POTTERY, UH, JUST ADJACENT TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE STEPS THERE JUST TO CREATE A, A INTERESTING ACCENT. AND AGAIN, IN OUR OPINION AND OUR FINDINGS [03:00:01] OF, UH, ARCHITECTURE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY SEEN IN THE HOME. AGAIN, SINCE THE FRONT STEPS ARE LIKELY AT LEAST THOSE THREE STEPS WITH THE, THE SMALL WING WALLS ARE LIKELY NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOME. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING A STAB AT WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE. UH, AGAIN, WE FIND THAT, OR WE BELIEVE THAT OUR, UH, DESIGN, UH, AS JERRY HAS PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, RESPECTS THE, UH, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOME. UH, JERRY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU JUST WANT TO INPUT REAL QUICK, BE MINDFUL OF THEIR TIME? YES. UM, UH, IF YOU, UH, UH, TURN TO PAGE 37 AND GO TO IMAGE NUMBER ONE OVER 11 A, UH, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE BACK TOWARDS THE STREET ENTERING THIS RESIDENCE AND YOU COME TO THOSE FIRST THREE RISERS WITH THOSE, THOSE, UH, THOSE I, I GUESS LIKE THE KIND OF SIDEWALLS I WOULD CALL THEM, UM, THEY LOOK VERY INSIGNIFICANT, UM, WITH THE, THE, THE, THE GRANDER OF THE HOUSE AND THE, THE SWEEPING RING WALLS, THOSE LITTLE SIDE, UH, I MEAN, IT, IT JUST LOOKS, IT LOOKS FAKE, IT LOOKS TEMPORARY, IT LOOKS, IT JUST LOOKS INCORRECT. UM, BY ADDING THE, THE, THE, THE LITTLE, UH, BALANCED, UH, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I COULD CALL 'EM, STILL CALL 'EM PODIUMS BECAUSE THEY WILL RAISE, UM, SOME ITALIAN REVIVAL TERRACOTTA POTS UP ABOVE THE LEVEL OF THE PLANTS THAT ARE GROWN, GROWING ON THE GROUND, AND ACTUALLY FEATURE THEM AS AN EXTENSION OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE AND A WAY OF, OF GROUNDING THE LANDSCAPE BED, UH, WITH THAT, THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE THROUGH THOSE, THOSE TERRACOTTA PLANTERS. SO, UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THAT WAS THE REASON FOR IT. AND EVEN THOUGH WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING IT IN FROM THAT VIEW IN, UH, DRAWING NUMBER ONE OVER 11 A, UH, FROM THE STREET, ONCE YOU GET UP CLOSER TO IT, YOU ACTUALLY SEE HOW THEY ACT. THEY BEGAN TO FLARE THE LANDING SO THAT IT, IT KIND OF BRIDGED TOGETHER WITH THE SEMI-CIRCULAR STOOP. AND WHAT I DID WAS BASICALLY JUST DO A MIRROR IMAGE OF THAT TO BEEF UP THOSE, THE SIDES OF THOSE STEPS TO PUT THOSE PLANTERS ON AND, AND INTEGRATE IT INTO THE GARDEN. SO THAT'S IT. THANKS JERRY. ALRIGHT, THE LAST ITEM IS THERE'S A, A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS, UH, PATIOS PROPOSED IN THE BACKYARD. AND I'M SCROLLING THROUGH YOUR DOCUMENTS RIGHT NOW TO FIND THE PAGE. UH, BUT I HAD SUBMITTED, I, I HAVE, I WAS GIVEN I THINK THREE DAYS AFTER THE LAST, UH, MEETING TO KIND OF ARRANGE SOME REBUTTAL HERE. YEAH. IF YOU GO TO PAGE, UH, FORGIVE ME HERE, UH, PAGE 16, ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE PAGE YOU'LL SEE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY. AND WHAT I DID IS I JUST DID A QUICK, UH, CALCULATION BASED ON THE SURVEY. SO THE, UH, BEAR COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT SHOWS THE PROPERTY SQUARE FOOTAGE TO BE A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT, UM, ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY, THEY HAVE RIGHT AROUND 11,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, IT'S A VERY OLD SURVEY , SO, UH, WE KIND OF TOOK THE, THE NUMBERS AS ACCURATELY AS POSSIBLE. SO ANYWAY, IT, OUR FINDINGS WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING, UH, GOSH, WHERE IS IT? 1,640 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, PROPOSED HARDSCAPE. UH, IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, THERE'S 1300 SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING FLATWORK, 1300 SQUARE, 1355 SQUARE FEET OF PROPOSED, OR, UH, SORRY, GUYS, UH, LADIES, UH, WELL, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE, WE'RE STILL ON OUR SOFT SKATE, UH, LANDSCAPE, PLANTER BEDS, GRASS, WHATNOT. WE'RE STILL 5,700 SQUARE FEET OF THAT. SO DOING THAT CALCULATION, WE'RE 50.6%, UH, MORE OR LESS WITHIN THE, THE RANGE OF, OF LAWN SLASH BED SPACE TO, UH, IMPERVIOUS SPACE. SO I, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR AS IT PERTAINS TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. I MIGHT'VE MISSED THE MARK THERE, BUT, UM, WITH MY EXPERIENCE IN THIS, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS MAKING SURE THAT MORE THAN 50% OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT DEVELOPED WITHIN IMPERVIOUS SPACE. UM, AND THE SO FAR AS PROPOSED, THE, THE DESIGN THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, THE IMPERVIOUS SPACE IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, WAS THAT 40, 40, UH, 49.4%. SO WE'RE, UH, JUST UNDER THAT. JERRY, ANYTHING TO ADD THERE THAT I MISSED OR DIDN'T, UM, COMPLETELY, WHICH, NOT ON THAT TOPIC, BUT I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD ON A COUPLE OF OTHER TOPICS. OKAY. WELL, WHY DON'T WE LET THEM GIVE FEEDBACK, UH, AND UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING PERTINENT [03:05:01] TO THE THREE ITEMS. OKAY. UM, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT TO CUT, I DON'T WANNA CUT THEM SHORT. OH, OKAY. AS FAR AS THE LENGTH OF THE WING WALL, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THAT IF WE IN FACT STILL HAVE TO HAVE, UH, BUILD THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE WING WALL ON IT AS, AS UNBALANCED WITH THE EXISTING WING WALL, UH, IF WE EXTEND THE EXISTING WING WALL, UM, TO BASICALLY PUT IN A, UH, A, A WOOD ENTRANCE GATE AND A PROBABLY 18 INCH STUCCO POST AT THE END TO FINISH OUT THE WING WALL, WOULD THAT REQUIRE A SEPARATE, UM, UM, REQUEST, UH, TO GO THROUGH, UM, A, A PANEL REVIEW? AND, UM, ALSO, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, WHATEVER IS DECIDED AT THIS MEETING, WHEN WE, UH, PROVIDE WHAT, UH, WHAT IS REQUESTED OF US, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER MONTH FOR THE NEXT REVIEW IN ORDER TO PROCESS IT? OR CAN IT BE PROCESSED VIA YOUR STAFF? THAT'S MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO CLARIFY WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING TODAY. UM, UH, LAUREN? YEAH, IF YOU'LL GO TO THE REQUEST LANGUAGE, PLEASE, AND THEN I'LL READ THE EXACT COMMENTS OR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SYSTEM COMES FROM PAUL KENNISON OR 18 WEST FRENCH PLACE, MONTE VISTA. HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT THIS PROPOSAL BE DENIED AT THIS TIME, PENDING FURTHER REVIEW SEVERAL ISSUES THAT SHOULD REQUIRE FURTHER CONSIDERATION REVIEW PRIOR TO APPROVING A C O A. INCLUDE ONE FRONT YARD PLANT BEDS, REDUCED HISTORIC OPEN LAWN AREA, AND DO NOT RESPECT THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR'S HISTOR FRONT, HISTORICAL OPEN LAWN APPEARANCE IN THE BLOCK. TWO, LARGE AREA OF SYNTHETIC LAWN AND BACKYARD HAS NO HISTORIC CONTEXT. THREE, THE SIZE AND NUMBER OF OUTDOOR DINING AND SEATING AREAS REDUCES PERVIOUS COVERAGE AND ADDS AND ATMOSPHERE THAT DWARVES THE HISTORIC BACKYARD. FOUR, THE SIZE, SCALE, AND ROOF COVERAGE ARE NOT APPROPRIATE TO THE CONTEXT OF THIS HISTORIC HOUSE. FIVE. THE EXHIBITS DO NOT INCLUDE A NORTH ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE TO INDICATE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PERS TO THE NORTH HOUSE WALL ELEVATION. SIX EXHIBITS INDICATE THE PERS ROOFS WILL BE COVERED IN TOPAL PLASTIC SHEETS, IS OUR OPINION THAT THIS IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL. AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE TOPAL SHEETS WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, AND THE TOP GAL MATERIAL FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF CORRUGATED PLASTIC SHEETS. AND SEVEN, SITE LIGHTING SHOULD BE FURTHER REVIEWED, UH, TO ENSURE LIGHTING DOES NOT IMPACT ADJACENT PROPERTIES FOR SOME REASONS. NOTE NOTED PLUS CI CITY'S O H P STIPULATIONS, WE RECOMMEND DENIAL PENDING FURTHER RE REVISIONS AND REVIEW. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR OPINIONS OF RECOMMENDATION. UM, SO COMMISSIONERS, WHAT YOU DID, WHAT WE DID, UM, IS YOU SEE IN THE PACKAGE, THERE'S QUITE A NUMBER OF APPLICATION OR ITEMS INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION. UM, LAUREN, IF YOU'LL ACTUALLY GO TO THE REQUEST THAT HAS THE ITEMIZED. UM, YEAH. UM, SO AFTER STAFF REVIEW, WE PULLED THE ITEMS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL SO THAT WE COULD FOCUS THE H C R C DISCUSSION ON THE ITEMS THAT REQUIRE H C R C REVIEW. AND SO THOSE ARE THE WING WALL MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT WALKWAY AND THE COVERAGE FOR THE REAR PATIO. MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, COMM CARPENTER? YES, SIR. I WOULD EX LIKE TO EXPRESS SOME REAL CONCERN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE, WHEN WE MADE OUR SITE VISIT, I MADE IT CLEAR THAT I FELT LIKE THE PLANTING BED WAS WAY OVERBLOWN IN THE FRONT, AND IT HAD SOME REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE MATERIALITY AND THE PROXIMITY OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, CARPORT TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. ITS VISIBILITY FROM FRONT OF THE STREET. AND I'M PRETTY ANNOYED THAT THESE ITEMS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY THE MORE IMPORTANT AND IMPACTFUL ITEMS HAVE BEEN PULLED FROM OUR CONSIDERATION AND THAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE MINOR ITEMS OF, OF, OF THE WING WALL BEING TRIMMED BACK. I, I, I DO NOT THINK THAT WAS WELL, UH, HANDLED. AND I, AND I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO VOICE MY, UH, FRUSTRATION WITH STAFF ON THAT ISSUE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I, YES, SIR. I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WHAT WITH, WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THAT THAT DIFF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US FOR A DEMOLITION ON THAT, ON THAT WONG PROPERTY. IT'S THE SAME SITUATION AS DECISIONS AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS THE JURISDICTION OF O H P AND WHY ARE DECISIONS BEING MADE THAT ARE CLEARLY IN THE PURVIEW OF THE H D R C. THAT BEING SAID, THE WING WALL IS A, IS A TOUGH SELL FOR ME BECAUSE AGAIN, [03:10:01] LIKE THAT PORCH WHERE THE GUY'S OBVIOUSLY DRIVING ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY TO GET INTO HIS BACKYARD, IT, IT'S, IT'S TO, TO, TO NOT SEE THE DIMENSION OF THAT AS THE ARCHITECTURE OF IT, UH, OF, OF WHAT CREATES, YOU KNOW, THIS THING THAT'S LIKE THIS AND THAT IT, IT, SURE, IT COULD DO THAT IN CUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FLOW IS, IT'S, IT'S IN THAT, IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHAT HAPPENED ON, ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT BUILDING, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT WITH RESPECT TO THE, TO THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THE TREE. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THERE'S CREATIVE WAYS TO, TO UNDERPIN, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT THE, THE, THE STABILIZATION OF A, OF A WALL THAT MAYBE THE ROOTS GROW UNDERNEATH. I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT, UM, IS PROPER OR IF IT'S INTENDED THAT WHEN A WALL LIKE THAT GETS UNSTABLE, THAT YOU TAKE IT APART AND YOU PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. AND YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S PART OF THE LIFE OF, OF THE DESIGN. BUT, BUT FOR, FOR ME, I MEAN, I'M, I'M REALLY MISSING THE ARGUMENT FROM THE OWNER FOR THE APPRECIATION AND, AND, AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HE'S LOSING WHEN, WHEN, UH, ENTERTAINING THE ARGUMENT TO ALTER WHAT IS CLEARLY THE REAL VALUE OF THE, THE, THAT BUILT ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS THE ARCHITECTURE. MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. CHAIR GROUP. UM, THERE WAS A D R C THAT WAS SCHEDULED. UM, THEY FORGOT TO CANCEL IT, SO I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE PROPERTY AND LOOKED AT THE WALL. SO IT WASN'T AN OFFICIAL D R C, BUT I WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT THE WALL. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA REMOVE THE TREE ANYWAY. SO, I MEAN, THE TREE IS FAR ENOUGH IF YOU ACTUALLY GO AND LOOK THERE. I MEAN, THERE MAY BE ROOTS, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME. I THINK STAFF HAS RIGHT ON ALL THESE THREE ITEMS IN REGARDS TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S, UH, COMMENT, UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL TOWARDS HOW MUCH CAN WE DECIDE ON LANDSCAPING AND PLANTS MODIFICATIONS YES. AND, AND WHAT'S VISIBLE ON THE STREET, BUT JUST, UM, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT I FEEL THAT STAFF HAD RIGHT ON, ON TAKING ON ADMINISTRATIVELY, JUST ALSO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE GUIDELINES ALLOW US AND HOW MUCH WE CAN CONTROL AS A OWNER. BUT MAYBE, UM, I WOULD AGREE, UH, PERGOLA PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD'VE PUT ON A CONSENT OR, I MEAN, ADMINISTRATIVE, SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS, YES, I WOULD'VE NOT PUT IN A ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO I GUESS I WANT TO APOLOGIZE. UM, I WAS NOT ON THE SITE VISIT, AND SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S CONCERNS DID NOT MAKE IT BACK TO ME, BUT WE ALWAYS TRY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT COMES TO THE COMMISSION AND WHAT DOESN'T. AND SO WE WERE FOLLOWING KIND OF POLICY AND, AND REALLY THE U D C AND WHAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO REEVALUATE. UM, I THINK I CAN AGREE THAT PROBABLY THE CARPORT AND, UH, THE FENCING MODIFICATIONS COULD BE INCLUDED. UM, PROBABLY NOT LANDSCAPING. THE, WE VERY RARELY WOULD FORWARD JUST PLANTINGS IN A LAWN AREA TO THE H C R C. UM, SO WE JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL OF THAT. BUT I DID WANT TO APOLOGIZE ON THE RECORD. WELL, I APOLOGIZE IF I WAS OUTLINED ON WHAT IS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AND WHAT IS NOT. BUT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING AS ELABORATE AND AS ALIEN AS WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED HERE IN THE, IN THE, UH, LANDSCAPING BED, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE, UH, MONTE VISTA ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE WERE THERE ON SITE WITH US, AND THEY CON THEY CONCURRED WITH MY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. AND I EXPRESSED MY CONCERNS TO THAT, TO THE APPLICANT SAYING I FELT LIKE IT WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER. IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE, THAT ENTIRE STREET, THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT MONTE VISTA IS KNOWN FOR. ITS, ITS BENCHED SITES AND SWEEPING FRONT LAWNS NOT FOR, UH, FUSSY PARTERS IN FRONT OF THE, OF THE HOUSE. AND SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY WAY OUTTA CHARACTER. AND WHEN SOMETHING IS THAT FAR OUTTA CHARACTER, I'M REAL SURPRISED THAT STAFF DIDN'T SAY, GUYS, YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THIS. AND AS FAR AS THE CARPORT, IT'S PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBOR, HOW IT CLOGS THE, THE SPACE BETWEEN THE, THE TWO PROMINENT HOUSES THERE. I, I JUST, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE UNDER ANY SCENARIO, ADMINISTRATIVELY OR BY THIS, BY THIS COMMISSION. UH, JUST A NOTE. [03:15:02] YEAH, LET ME SAY SOMETHING PLEASE. JUST A NOTE ON SHEET 18, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A MODIFICATION TO THE AMOUNT OF PLANTING, UH, PUTTING BACK MORE TURF AND REDUCING THE VARIETIES OF THE PLANTING UP NEAR THE HOUSE. UM, I WOULD, UH, AGREE WITH, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT, UH, ABOUT THE PERGOLA, AS PROMINENT AS IT IS THAT, UM, I WOULD'VE HOPED THAT THAT WOULD'VE COME TO THE COMMISSION. UM, THE CARPORT COMMISSIONERS, LET'S, WE RECOMMEND THAT WE JUST POSTPONE THIS ITEM. I, IF WE CAN REEVALUATE, I, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE ACTION ON WHAT'S POSTED TODAY, THEN, THEN THAT'S FINE, BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO POSTPONE. OKAY. UH, I GUESS AS THE APPLICANT, I, I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'VE NOTIFIED THE, THE CLIENTS OF WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. SO ARE WE, OR ARE WE RECOMMENDING POSTPONEMENT OF THE THREE ITEMS? OR IS THERE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, UNDOING THE WORK OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? THE, THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASK IS THAT THE, UM, THE HOMEOWNERS ARE , THEY'VE GONE THROUGH QUITE A BIT IN THE LAST YEAR BETWEEN, UH, HAVING SOME SIGNIFICANT, UH, ISSUES WITH THE HOUSE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE GONE WAY OVER BUDGET AND WAY OVER TIME, UH, UM, ANNE JUST, UH, HAD A, OR WELL, I GUESS ANNE AND ALEX JUST HAD A BABY, UH, JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SO I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS. SO I WOULD WANT TO BE CLEAR ON, UH, WHAT THE POSTPONEMENT, UH, WOULD ENTAIL. UH, AGAIN, IF IT'S RELATED TO THE THREE ITEMS, WE CAN, UH, I THINK WE COULD AGREE TO DO THAT. I THINK IF THERE'S SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, RE REEVALUATING WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED, UH, I WOULD, I GUESS I WOULD JUST ARGUE THE VALIDITY OF THAT. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. I DO ALSO HAVE, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T REQUESTED, SO WE DIDN'T, UH, TABULATE TABULATED INTO A DOCUMENT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PRECEDENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, EVEN JUST TWO HOUSES DOWN, UH, ALONG THE SAME STREET OF THE USE OF, UH, SHADE ARBOR WITH A POLYGON MATERIAL OVER THE TOP. IT'S A LESSER QUALITY OF, UH, POLYGON MATERIAL THAT WAS USED, BUT IT'S RIGHT ON THE ROAD. IT'S, YOU KNOW, I TOOK A PICTURE FROM MY VEHICLE. UH, SO THERE'S SOME PRECEDENCE THERE, I THINK WOULD NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. UH, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA GO AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, REEVALUATING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WE WOULD WANT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST, UH, SHOW THE PRECEDENCE THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SIR, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME UM, INTERRUPT YOU REAL QUICK. MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. ARE, ARE WE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR SOMETHING SO THAT'S ON HOLD. WE WILL MEET WITH THE APPLICANT BEFORE, NO, NO, NO. BUT, BUT, BUT CORY, OKAY. I I, IF IT'S UN, IF IT'S, IF ONE HAS BEEN AN ISSUE, ONE HAS BEEN ISSUED, AND YOU'RE RIGHT NOW SA SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON HOLD. UH, HO HOLD ONTO THAT FIRST QUESTION. HAS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BEEN ISSUED? RACHEL, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I ACTUALLY DUNNO THE ANSWER IT HAS, UH, AS THE APPLICANT. I'VE GOT IT IN MY EMAIL, UH, FROM EARLIER TODAY. OKAY. NOW, COREY, JUST LET'S JUST BE PROACTIVE AND POSITIVE HERE. LOOK, IF, IF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED, IT'S INCUMBENT ON THE COMMISSION TO HONOR THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND IT IS INCUMBENT ON STAFF AND O H P TO NOT TAKE IT FURTHER WITH THIS APPLICANT WHO OBVIOUSLY IS DOING HIS DUE DILIGENCE. THE, THE DISAGREEMENT OR THE STYLISTIC, UM, UH, DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN O H P AND H D R C. I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MADE ARE GOOD COMMENTS TO THAT. OKAY, LET'S LEARN, BUT LET'S NOT TAKE IT OUT ON THE APPLICANT SO THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THAT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AND SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, YOU, Y'ALL, ON Y'ALL'S END, Y'ALL JUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. I'LL GET WITH PAUL KINISON AND APOLOGIZE TO HIM. DON'T, NOT US COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. WE, WE WOULD NOT TAKE THAT DECISION TO REVOKE A C O A LIGHTLY. AND I AM NOT SAYING NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO REVOKE IT. I'M SAYING IT'S, WE NEED TIME TO SIT DOWN AND EVALUATE THIS MORE THOROUGHLY AND MAKE A DECISION. AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TONIGHT. RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN MOST LIKELY TOMORROW. AND THE APPLICANT CAN BE, CAN REST ASSURED THAT WE ARE NOT GOING [03:20:01] TO SIT ON THIS. Y YEAH, WE'LL HAVE, BUT, BUT COREY, OR WE COULD JUST HONOR IT RIGHT THIS MINUTE AND GET TO THE PARTS THAT WEREN'T IN THERE AND SAY, YEAH, THERE'S THE JURISDICTION OR THE H D R C WHATEVER CAME BEFORE US TODAY. AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ME, BUT IF, IF THAT'S WHAT CAME BEFORE US TODAY, THEN WE HAVE, THAT'S A CLEAR AUTHORITY RIGHT THERE, RIGHT. TO DEAL WITH THE ONES THAT CAME BEFORE US TODAY. AND IF THAT'S THE BASIS OF DIALOGUE, I PERSONALLY AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ALTERING THAT RING WALL TO, TO ANY DEGREE. AND, UH, AND WE CAN GET THIS MOVING ON. IT'S, SO THIS, UH, JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ITEMS THAT ARE BEFORE US TODAY WERE, BEFORE US THERE, THE SITE VISIT IN ADDITION TO THESE OTHER ITEMS. AND, UH, I WAS NOT A LONE VOICE IN THE, IN THE WILDERNESS EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS. UH, AND YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT WHERE THAT PAGODA IS LOCATED, IN ORDER TO PULL OFF THAT DESIGN, YOU'D HAVE TO TRIM BACK THE LIMBS OF THIS TREE THAT THEY'RE CLAIMING THAT THEY CARE ABOUT SAVING IN ORDER TO EXECUTE THAT DESIGN. AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK LANDSCAPE IS VERY IMPORTANT WITHIN THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ON THIS COMMISSION. AND, UM, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S RIGHT IN THE FRONT YARD. SO I, I WOULD SAY LET'S ADDRESS THE THREE ISSUES THAT ARE BEFORE US. AND IF, UH, O H P WANTS TO REEVALUATE, UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE RELEASED THEN THAT, THAT'S WITHIN THEIR POWER. YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE AN ADVISORY COMMISSION AND, UH, THEREFORE WE'RE RELYING UPON THEM TO BRING THE MATERIALS THAT THEY THINK ARE IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY FOR DECISIONS FOR US. BUT I JUST THINK THIS ONE, THEY MESSED UP. I USUALLY AM A HUGE ADVOCATE OF THE, OF THE O H P STAFF, UM, AND THE WORK THEY DO. THEY'RE EXTREMELY DEDICATED. AND I, I DON'T WANNA MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS, BUT I, I THINK THIS ONE WAS A BIG MISS. THE BIGGEST ISSUE, UH, BIGGEST ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD EXPRESSED AT THE SITE VISIT ARE, ARE COMPLETELY PARALLEL WITH MY COMMENTS TODAY. SO, UH, I JUST, UH, I WOULD SAY AS A COMMISSION, LET'S DEAL WITH THE THREE THINGS WE HAVE AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE REST LATER. YES. I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT. SINCE THESE ARE THREE, THEY'RE ON THE AGENDA TODAY. IF WE COULD COMMENT ON ANYTHING WE HAVEN'T COMMENTED ON OR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THEN LET'S MOVE FORWARD ON, ON WHAT WE HAVE. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, JUST TO GET, TO GET THIS MOVING, MOVING ALONG. UM, I THINK THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY, UH, DON'T ADDRESS SOME OF THE AREAS THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CONCERN ABOUT AND OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, INCLUDING MYSELF. SO I MOVE FOR DENIAL OF ITEM ONE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS IS THIS COMMISSIONER GROUP. I'LL SECOND. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHAT MR. COMMISSIONER HAS TO TODAY. WELL, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK SOME TIME AGO, UH, LOOKING AT THE PLANS THAT WE'RE PRESENTED WITH, THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. AND I, IT WAS MY ASSUMPTION THAT ONLY THE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WERE BEING CONSIDERED TODAY AND ALL THE OTHER ITEMS SHOWN ON THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PLANS WERE TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE FUTURE. SO I'M SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT, UH, STAFF HAS ALREADY TAKEN ACTION ON THOSE. WELL, AGAIN, I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE TRYING TO PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER YOU ALL THE TIME. WE GET VERY COMPLICATED APPLICATIONS AND WE TAKE ACTION ON SOME ITEMS AND REFER OTHER ITEMS. SO THIS WAS VERY KIND OF RUN OF THE MILL IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE HANDLED. AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE MISCOMMUNICATION ABOUT WHAT WAS COMING FORWARD. OKAY. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. VELASQUEZ, MAY. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GOOD. AYE. BE AYE. LA [03:25:02] AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM 25, [25. Address/Description: 324 ADAMS ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-393 Landmark Name: Individual Landmark Historic District Name: King William Applicant: dana morgan/davco customom builders Request: Standing seam metal roof  installation with striated panels and a parapet wall cap City Council Dist.: 1  ] EDWARD. EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? I, YES. SORRY, I WAS MUTED. OKAY. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 3 9 3 3 24 ADAMS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH DRY THE PANELS AND TWO, TO INSTALL A METAL PARAPET CAP ON THE PARAPET WALL OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH STRIATED PANELS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE SPECIFICATIONS OUTLINED IN THE GUIDELINES AND THE PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS DATED JUNE 10TH, 2021 BE ADHERED TO. AND THOSE ARE, UH, THE REPLACEMENT STANDING SEA METAL ROOF MUST FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. TEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A C CRIMP RIDGE SEAM, AND A STANDARD G FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMP RIDGE CONFIGURATION. NO VENT RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A METAL PARAPET CAP ON TOP OF THE EXISTING PARAPET WALLS. STAFF RECOMMENDS A LOW PROFILE THROUGHOUT, AS HAS BEEN INSTALLED, AND THAT ALL PARA CAPS BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE FACADES. IT HAD THE APPLICANT MR. DANA MORGAN ON THE LINE. THANK THE COUNSEL FOR, FOR HEARING ME. UH, MY NAME'S DANA MORGAN. I'M WITH IRONCLAD ROOFING, UH, METAL METAL ROOFING SYSTEMS. UH, THE VISIBILITY OF THE STRAIGHT, WE MADE A MISTAKE. UH, WE'VE DONE MANY, MANY ROOFS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, THE, THE CREW USED THE LAST ROLLERS THAT WERE IN THE MACHINE ANYWAY. UH, WE KNOW WE MADE A MISTAKE, BUT THE VISIBILITY FROM THE ROAD OF THE STRAIGHTED PANELS IS NOT THAT GREAT ON 3 24 ANNEX. AND ALSO GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, 3 0 9 WICKS AS STRAYED PANELS. 8 41 EAST GUNTHER HAS STRAYED PANELS. 8 32 EAST GUNTHER HAS STRAYED PANELS, UH, 7 24 EAST GUNTHER STRAIGHTED PANELS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ONE'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 6 0 6 BARBY IS STRAIGHTED THERE, THERE'S MORE OF 'EM OVER THERE. BUT ON, ON, UH, 3 24 ADAMS, UM, THE WAY THE PARAPET WALL COMES UP, UM, UH, AND THE, THE FRONT GABLE IS TOWARDS THE STREET. THE, THE, THE RADY PANELS AREN'T THAT VISIBLE. SO, UM, ANYWAY, UH, THANKS, THANKS, THANKS COUNCIL FOR HEARING ME. THANK YOU. UH, COREY, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YEAH, I ACTUALLY, I HAVE A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION. UM, THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THIS PROJECT. WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLED NON-COMPLIANT ROOF REQUESTED ITEM IN ONE. UM, THE ROOFING MATERIAL IS INAPPROPRIATE, WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT APPROVAL AND SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH APPROVED MATERIALS. THE INAPPROPRIATE PARAPET CAP REQUESTED IN ITEM TWO WAS ALSO INSTALLED WITHOUT PRIOR APPROVAL. IT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED TO LOOK AT THE PRIMARY FACADE AND THE LACK OF ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND CRAFTSMANSHIP EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM. UH, WHILE WAS ONCE A HANDSOME EXAMPLE OF MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL FACADE WITH CLEAN, SIMPLE LINES HAS NOW BEEN COMPROMISED WITH A PARAPET CAP CAP. WE RECOMMEND THAT THE PARAPET CAP BE REMOVED FROM SIGHT AND REPLACED WITH ANOTHER METHOD OF FLASHING THE ROOF, OF FLASHING THE ROOF MEMBRANE TO THE PARAPET WALL. UM, THE, THE PARA, THE PARAPET CAP, UH, LEMME TELL YOU THE SITUATION WITH, WHY DON'T WE PUT THE CAP FLASHING IN THE, THE OLD MASONRY WAS WEEPING DOWN AND DAMAGING THE INTERIOR, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE COULD, WE COULD EFFECTIVELY DO THE, THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY COULDN'T LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT, THAT LEAKED. AND THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT. AND THAT WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. MR. CHAIRMAN. COULD, COULD I ASK STAFF TO PUT A VIEW OF THIS ROOF UP FROM THE SOUTH ELEVATION? [03:30:01] BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR VIEW MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THIS ROOF ISN'T HIGHLY VISIBLE, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM, FROM THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE STREET HERE. IF YOU MOVE DOWN THE STREET AND SHOW BACK THIS, THIS ONE ROOF FEATURE IS RELATIVELY LIMITED TO THIS FRONT CORNER. AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS IS A HIGHLY VISIBLE ROOF. I ALSO TEND TO AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THE INAPPROPRIATENESS OF A METAL PARAPET CAP ON, ON THIS STYLE. I UNDERSTAND THAT LEAKY PARAPETS ARE AN ISSUE, BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF WATERPROOFING THOSE TOPS, UH, THAT DON'T INVOLVE A, A METAL CAP. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, MR. ISSUE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU, MR. CHAIR. YES, MA'AM. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH. I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MOVE ON FROM THIS? BECAUSE, I MEAN, PUT THE PERMIT ON A WHOLE NEW ROOF OR SHOULD, YOU KNOW, UM, ARE WE GONNA DENY THE ITEM AND THEY CAN GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? I FEEL LIKE THESE SITUATIONS ARE JUST, I MEAN, OKAY, THEY CHANGED THE PARAPET, BUT IT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A NEW ROOF RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. WE'RE DENYING THAT. AND IT'S JUST A HUGE COST. SO I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I I FEEL AT THE SAME TIME, YES, THERE SHOULD BE COMPLIANCE, BUT HOW, HOW CAN IT GO THIS FAR, ESPECIALLY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE, LIKE KING WILLIAM, LIKE, IT'S LIKE HOW THEY DO STUFF WITHOUT ANY PERMITS. WELL, COM COMMISSIONER, WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE, ARE SERRATED? I MEAN, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, A BLOCK IS A BRAND NEW HOUSE WITH SERRATED PANELS ON THE ROOF AND IT'S ALL VISIBLE. I THINK ONE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE IS RELATED TO THE, THE QUALITY OF THE CAP. SO LIKE, OKAY, LET'S SAY THAT THERE WERE O THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DEAL WITH THE, WITH, WITH THAT ROOF THAT, BUT UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THAT THE, THE THE, THE TURN IS DONE, IT'S JUST CLIPPED, IT'S NOT DONE RIGHT. AND, AND, AND THE, THE LACK OF CARE TO THE RADIUS, IT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STUC ON EDGE. RIGHT. BUT THE, THE WAY THAT THEY COMMUNICATED IT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE WHILE AGO IN THE LETTER THAT WAS, OR THE PERSON THAT SAID OR SOMETHING, UH, THERE'S ONE, THERE'S ONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET THAT'S IDENTICAL TO THAT. IN FACT, THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE KNEW HOW TO DO IT ON 5 0 8 EAST COUNTRY. THAT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. I, I, I UNDERSTAND SIR. I JUST, I JUST, YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, TO SAY THAT THE COMMENT THAT THEY MADE THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S DONE LIKE THIS ON THE OTHER ONE, THEN THE OTHER ONE THEY SHOULD BE A LITTLE UPSET AS WELL. 'CAUSE THE, THE WAY THE CORNERS ARE DEALT WITH ON THIS CAP, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT DONE WITH ANY CARE TO WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE, WELL PUT A CAP ON IT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CAP I THAT, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS E WE CAN PUT, PROBABLY PUT SOME KIND OF COATING OR WE CAN DO A TERMINATION BAR ON THE, ON THE, ON THE CAP. OKAY. BUT I'M, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT COST ALL THE MONEY IS TO REPLACE ALL OF THE SERRATED PANELS, AND GRANTED, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE MADE A MISTAKE, BUT LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE OTHER SIDE? WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARA PITT? IS IT A, IS IT A TPO O IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. IS IT? YEAH, TPO. O IT'S A T P O. SO YOU COULD HAVE USED A, A TERMINATION BAR ON THE TOP. WE USE A TERMINATION BAR. YES. YES. WE CAN USE A TERMINATION BAR ON TOP. YEAH, I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER FISH, I THINK WERE YOU MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT METHODS OF DEALING WITH THE WATERPROOFING AT THE TOP OF THE PARAPET? AND I KNOW THAT'S ONE LITTLE THING, RIGHT, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE ROOF, BUT, UM, NOW THE RIDGE IS IN THE ROOF. YEAH. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AND I WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH THAT, UM, THAT SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROOF IS VERY VISIBLE AND ALSO THAT THE ADDING OF THE METAL PARAPET CAP DOES CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THIS HOUSE DRASTICALLY. AND THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO WATERPROOF THE TOP OF A, UH, WALL, UH, WITHOUT ADDING THE METAL CAP. SO I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GROOVE THAT IF, UH, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF DENIAL AND THEN ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO APPEAL TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. [03:35:04] SO THE, THE SOBRIETY PANELS HAVE TO BE REPLACED AND THE, AND THE CAMP HAS TO BE DONE ANOTHER WAY, CORRECT? WELL, WE HAD NOT MADE A FORMAL MOTION IN A VOTE YET, BUT THAT'S WHAT I AM READY FOR. MOTION? YES, MA'AM. I MOVE TO DENIAL ITEM NUMBER ONE AND ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR NOW. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR DENIAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FERNANDEZ. AYE FISH? EXCUSE ME. AYE, UH, VELAZQUEZ? AYE. AREOLA. OH, I'M SORRY. UH, ZOOMER ON. AYE, CARPENTER. AYE. RU AYE. BETTS. AYE. . AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 26, [26. Address/Description: 535 MISSION ST HDRC Case No.: 2021-382 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Lisa Garza Request: Front porch modifications City Council Dist.: 1  ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 82 5 35 MISSION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A RAISED FRONT PORCH WITH MIDDLE RAILINGS AND DECORATIVE SKIRTING, AND TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE RAISED FRONT PORCH INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD FRONT PORCH. STEPS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD FRONT PORCH DECKING. THE DECKING MUST FEATURE ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD NUMBERS LAID PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE PLANE THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD FRONT PORCH RAILING. THE WOOD RAILING MUST FEATURE BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL. THE BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD FEATURE A VERTICAL ORIENTATION AND SHOULD BE INSTALLED APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE PORCH DECKING. BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAILS SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED FROM TWO BY FOUR MEMBERS. THE PROPOSED RAILING SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF MORE THAN THREE FEET. ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT WALKWAY MODIFICATION BASED ON FINDING F. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAINS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING WALKWAY AND THE APPLICANT, LISA GARZA IS ON THE LINE. LISA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SPEAK TO YOUR REQUEST ITEMS AT THIS TIME? YES. HELLO, MY NAME IS LISA GARZA AND I AM THE ARCHITECT FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT. UM, I GUESS I'LL SPEAK TO ITEM ONE. I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW NONETHELESS, AGENDA ITEM. IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. UM, UM, ITEM ONE FIRST, UH, STIPULATION ONE REGARDING THE PORCH MATERIAL AND THE STEP MATERIAL. UM, SO I HAD PROPOSED ON THIS PROJECT TO MY CLIENT, UM, THAT THEY USE A SYNTHETIC POLYMER WRAPPED DECK, UH, BOARD. IT'S, IT IS A ONE BY THREE, UM, BOARD. IT'S ONE INCH THICK, THREE INCHES WIDE TONGUE AND GROOVE. IT HAS HIDDEN FASTENERS THAT WOULD ATTACH THE BOARD TO THE, UM, SUBFLOORING. AND, UM, IT IS A, A BOARD THAT MATERIAL THAT I SAW ACTUALLY AT AN O H P, UM, HISTORIC HOMEOWNER THERE, UH, SPONSORED EVENT. I GUESS THAT WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE O P WAS ENDORSING THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE THERE WAS A WHOLE, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION ON IT. AND I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE PRODUCT AND, UM, DID MY OWN RESEARCH AND THEREFORE I RECOMMENDED IT TO THE CLIENT AND THEY LIKED THE IDEA OF THIS PRODUCT BECAUSE THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A WOODEN PORCH THAT WOULD ROT AND THIS WAS A GOOD SOLUTION. UM, BUT NOW I'M NOT REALLY SURE. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAW THE STIPULATION THAT THE O H P DOES ENDORSE THIS PRODUCT, UM, THE, THE PORTS WOULD BE DESIGNED SO THAT IT WOULD HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A PICTURE FRAME BORDER SO THAT THE EDGE OF THE PLANKS WOULD NOT BE EXPOSED. UM, THE PICTURE FRAME BORDER IS LIKE A PLANK THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PORCH AND IS MIRE ON THE CORNERS TO FORM A NICE, UM, CLEAN EDGE. SO YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE, HOW IT'S ACTUALLY WRAPPED WITH THE POLYMER, UM, COATING. AND, UM, SO IT WOULD BE A REALLY CLEAN LOOK. IT WOULD LOOK, UH, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, LIKE, UM, A WOOD DECK FROM FROM THE STREET. UM, UM, AND THEN ALSO THE STEPS WOULD BE, UM, OUT OF THE SAME MATERIAL WITH THE RISERS BEING REAL GOOD AND THE TRIP JUST BEING THE, UH, THE POLLINGER. SO, HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YES. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE RAIL, THE RAIL REQUEST ALSO? YES. OKAY. SO THE NEXT IDEA IS THE, THE METAL RAILING. AND MY REASONING BEHIND THAT [03:40:01] IS BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS A NEW, UM, A NEW PORCH. WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS EVER A PORCH, UM, HERE BEFORE LIKE THIS. UM, THERE'S NO PICTURES. I COULD NOT FIND ANY EVIDENCE, UM, PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THE PORCH. ALTHOUGH LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, I MIGHT, YOU KNOW, ASSUME THERE WAS A RAISED PORCH AT ONE TIME. BUT I, I DON'T WANNA PRESUME, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE, THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS THAT ARE REMAINING ARE THE, UH, PAIRED PORCH COLUMNS WITH LATTICE IN BETWEEN. AND, UM, THOSE COLUMNS ARE PRETTY PROMINENT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S THE MAIN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AND IT, TO ME, THOSE WERE WORTH, UH, HIGHLIGHTING AND, UM, PRESERVING AND REALLY MAKING THE FOCUS OF THE, THE ELEVATION OF THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, THAT ALONG WITH THE, UM, THE ROOF RAILING AND THE URNS. SO THERE'S A REAL STRONG VERTICAL, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, DESIGN FEATURE AT EACH PAIR COLUMN. AND I WANTED THAT ELEMENT TO REALLY BE THE PROMINENT ELEMENT. AND I WANTED THE METAL RAILING TO JUST KIND OF DISAPPEAR IF, BUT LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, UM, IN THE DRAWING IT LOOKS ALMOST EVENLY WEIGHTED. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT A PHOTOGRAPH, YOU CAN, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL, CURRENTLY THERE IS A METAL RAILING ON THE FRONT STOOP, AND IT, IT'S ALMOST, YOU KNOW, NOT, IT'S NOT VISIBLE AT ALL. LIKE YOU HAVE TO LOOK REALLY HARD TO SEE THAT IT'S EVEN THERE. AND THAT WOULD BE MY HOPE WITH THIS RAILING, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE PROMINENT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD DISAPPEAR. SO YOU WOULD JUST NOTICE THE EXISTING HISTORIC ELEMENT. AND THE OTHER CHALLENGE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, TO CREATE A, IF YOU PUT A WOOD RAILING THERE, THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ACCORDING TO THE, THE GUIDELINES THAT ADDING ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, ARE SUPPOSED TO NOT DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING AND THAT NEW ELEMENTS, UM, SHOULD NOT CREATE A FALSE HISTORIC APPEARANCE. AND, YOU KNOW, CREATING A, PUTTING A WOOD WHALING THERE IS BASICALLY GONNA BE BUILDING SOMETHING THAT LOOKS HISTORIC, THAT'S NOT REALLY HISTORIC. AND SO IT WOULD BE HARD TO TELL LIKE, IS THIS RAILING OLD OR IS IT NEW? WHEREAS THOSE COLUMNS AND THE LATTICE ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE HISTORIC. SO THAT, UM, THAT IS MY, YOU KNOW, MY THEORY OR MY THINKING BEHIND THE METAL RAILING PROPOSING THAT. AND THEN IF YOU'D LIKE, I COULD GO ON TO ITEM TWO, UM, WHICH IS THE, UH, FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING WALKWAY. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO WAIT OR DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS? NO, THE TWO ITEMS FIRST GO, GO AHEAD AND MENTION THAT AND THEN WE'LL GET, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. SO THE, UM, THE UH, EXISTING WALKWAY IS ABOUT FOUR, FOUR INCHES WIDE, BUT YOU CAN TELL FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT THE STEPS, UM, ARE GOING TO BE, UM, APPROXIMATELY THE WIDTH OF THE SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO PAIR OF COLUMNS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE FRONT DOOR. SO THE STEPS ARE SEVEN FOOT SIX INCHES AND THE SIDEWALK IS FOUR FOOT FOUR. SO THE SIDEWALK PROPOSAL IS FOR IT TO START AT FOUR FOOT FOUR IN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, BUT THEN TO FLARE OUT SLIGHTLY AS IT APPROACHES THE STEPS SO THAT THE STEPS YOU WILL LAND ONTO A, YOU KNOW, UM, NONPERMEABLE SURFACE AS YOU WALK OFF THE STEPS. ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. UM, MS. GARZA, UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DO, UM, FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, UM, THE KING, THE K W A ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT WITH THE APPLICANT'S ARCHITECT AND CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL OF THE RAISED PORCH AND FRONT SIDEWALK AND ITEM ONE. WE CONCUR WITH STAFF THAT WOOD RAILINGS ARE MORE APPROPRIATE AND KEEPING WITH THE PREDOMINANTLY WOOD PORCH RAILINGS FOUND IN KING WILLIAM. HOWEVER, WE APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE THE ARCHITECT'S RATIONALE FOR MINIMAL METAL RAILINGS TO AVOID THE IMPRESSION OF FAUX HISTORIC RAILING ON A NEW FRONT PORCH. THE H C R C HAS APPROVED COMPOSITE PORCH FLOORING ON PREVIOUS PORCH INSTALLATION CASES. WE FIND THAT SINCE THIS IS A NEW RAISED PORCH, THE PROPOSED PORCH COMPOSITE MATERIAL AS APPROPRIATE, INSTALLED, RUNNING PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. ITEM TWO, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE CONCRETE FRONT WALK BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED WITH A PROPOSED SPLAY AND WIDTH TO ALIGN WITH THE WIDTH OF THE NEW FRONT PORCH STEPS TOOL CONTROL JOINT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SIDEWALK DESIGN. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, BUT I CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL IN KING WILLIAMS' POSITION ON THE DECK MATERIAL, WHICH WE HAVE APPROVED A NUMBER OF TIMES IN KING WILLIAMS. AND IN INSTANCES LIKE THIS, AND I THINK A WOOD RAIL, A WOOD, A WOOD RAIL COULD BE REALLY HEAVY RELATIVE TO THOSE COLUMNS. AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT HAS A FINER DIMENSION IS LIKELY MORE APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE REAS REASONS PRESENTED BY, UH, BY THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION THAN THE APPLICANT. UM, I ALSO THINK THAT THE COLUMN [03:45:01] WIDTH IS A MORE IMPORTANT DIMENSION AS YOU APPROACH THE FRONT. SO I KNOW FRONT, UH, FRONT WALKS OR WALKS THAT APPROACH, UH, DOORS CAN BE, UH, CHALLENGES. I THINK THIS IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE, UH, SOLUTION AS PROPOSED. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ? AYE. FISH? AYE. QUEZ AYE. NURAN AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. CREW? AYE SIR. AYE, AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE AGENDA [ Approval of Minutes for HDRC hearing on August 4, 2021.  ] ITEMS. WE HAVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 4TH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST 4TH, UH, AS SUBMITTED, MS. COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. I SECOND I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY, ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. MOTION TO ADJOURN. MOTION TO ADJOURN MR. CHAIR. WE HAVE A SECOND. FERNANDEZ. I SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. SO I GUESS WE'LL SEE Y'ALL IN PERSON NEXT TIME. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR SOME OF Y'ALL IN PERSON. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU COREY, FOR YOUR WORK. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.