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TO ORDER HER GIBBS, VELAZQUEZ, , CIMARRON, AKI CARPENTER, AKI PRUDE AKIKIKI, INTERPRETERS MEDIA,

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THE DRIVE AND HERNANDEZ, C FISH.

C QUEZ, C OLA, C SIMAN, C CARPENTER C

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IT'S THE HACKBERRY HEMI

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PROJECT.

DIFFERENT GROUPS.

SENIOR PRESIDENT,

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BERRY CARPENTER FISH HERNANDEZ C QUE VELAZQUEZ.

C OLA.

C SIMON C CARPENTER, C C FE.

THANK YOU.

ARE WE READY? YES.

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GO AHEAD.

ITEM NUMBER 10, H D R C.

CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 86 ADDRESS, THREE 18 RIO STREET.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO WATER CONSTRUCT REAR IN THE LOCATION OF AN EXISTING UNCOVERED DECK.

THE ADDITIONAL MEASURE APPROXIMATELY 144 FEET AND TWO TATION MODIFICATIONS THAT RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL THE SCANNING SEA METAL ROOF THAT STAFF STIPULATIONS SUSTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIES THE PROPOSED ATION FUTURE OF ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS WITH TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS.

CONFIGURATIONS IN SETS IN THE PROPOSED HORIZONTAL SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE A ONE ONE CONFIGURATION AND A VERTICAL ORIENTATION.

UPDATED DRAWINGS ARE REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS THAT MEET DEATH STIPULATIONS IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND FOUR, THAT THE BOARD AND SIDING FEATURES BOARD THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE, THE, THAT ARE ONE AND A HALF INCHES WIDE.

UM, THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SPECIFICALLY THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS AND CONFIGURATION, AND I HAVE MARIAL THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE WHO WILL INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN SHE'LL INTRODUCE THE HOMEOWNER.

JOSHUA, WHO'S ALSO ON THE LINE, MARIELLE, IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

OH, HI.

MY, MY NAME'S MARICO OVERSTREET, UM, CAN HEAR ME? YES.

YES.

OKAY.

UH, UH, I'M THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR MY CLIENT AT THREE STREET.

UM, AND I ALSO HAVE ONE, UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY TO BE A LITTLE BACKGROUND FROM MY TIME PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED CERTIFICATE OF BACK IN DECEMBER 21ST, 2016.

AND, UM, BECAUSE LITTLE MISHAP THAT HAPPENED WITH THE FOUNDATION COMPANY THAT DID FORM THE FOUNDATION WORK, NEVER ACTUALLY GOT ISSUE A, UM, PERMIT.

WE HAVE TO DO THIS WHOLE THING, UM, OVER AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE EXPIRATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE PULLED THE 80.

UM, SO I, I, AND I MAKE SURE, BUT I MAKE THAT, THAT YOU, ME, THE NUMBER ONE ITEM ABOUT THE METAL ROOF.

BUT, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOES GET CORRECTED THAT IT, THAT THE MAIN STRUCTURE DOES NOT HAVE A METAL ROOF.

AND WE HAS SHINGLES AND WE'RE JUST GOING WITH THE SHINGLES FOR THE ADDITION AS WELL.

UM, I THINK WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT ON EMAIL, BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES NOT GET, YOU KNOW, CONFUSED WITH, WITH THAT LINE ITEM.

YES, YOU'RE GOOD.

OKAY.

UH, SO ON, ON THE WINDOW ITEM, UM, ON THE FIRST TIME MY CLIENT HAD APPROPRIATE, HAD APPROVED A HORIZONTAL, UH, SO THE ADDITION, UM, IS A MASTER BATHROOM, UH, WITH A SMALL CLOSET.

AND, UM, FOR PRIVACY REASONS, HE WAS THE DESIGNER.

UM, FRENCH MICHIGAN IS A, UH, HORIZONTAL WINDOW.

UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, UP THE HOUSE PHYSICAL FROM THE STREET.

UM, SO I DON'T SEE THE ISSUE OF HAVING ON THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK.

AND WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, DO VINYL, UH, BUT THEY, UM, THERE'S A, THAT STAND ALSO THAT ALSO CURRENTLY HAS VINYL IN THE, OF THE, AND THEY'RE NOT THIS STREET.

SO, UM, WE WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND GET APPROVAL FOR THE WAY WINDOWS ARE.

UM, BEING WITH, UM, THE HORIZONTAL DESIGN AND VINYL FINISH, WE ARE ALSO REPLACING A FRENCH DOOR IN THE BACK WILL.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE HAVE CITIZEN COMING CHAIR.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER YES MA'AM.

TO THE APPLICANT.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SO IT'S THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION.

IS THAT THE ONLY WINDOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? UH, SURE.

THAT WHAT, YES, THAT, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT.

WENT FACING WINDOW, THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW.

AND THAT IS THE, THE WEST SIDE IS THE, WE PREVIOUSLY, UH, BACK IN 2018 GOT APPROVAL THAT ING EXTENDS INTO THE SIDE SETBACK AND THE REAR SETBACK.

AND WE GOT AN APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD ADJUSTMENTS BACK IN 18 ON THAT WEST FACING WALL BECAUSE IT CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THERE WAS A STIPULATION THAT THE,

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UH, WALL BE FIRE RATED AND DID THEY WIND THERE? AND THEY'RE ALSO BERATED, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

I'M SORRY, I'M THE HOMEOWNER NAME IS JOSHUA JONES.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND SO THAT'S BACK, THAT ACTUALLY THE TRUTH A LITTLE BIT OUTRIGHT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S SIDE.

OKAY.

AND THEN ON THE, THE RIGHT BELOW THAT, WHICH WAS BE THE SOUTH ELEVATION, UH, TO STEP, ARE WE ONE OF YOUR STIPULATIONS? CORRECT.

SO THOSE HAVE THE CORRECT, UM, PROPORTIONALITY, THOSE ARE REQUESTED TO BE, UM, SINGLE LIGHT CASEMENT WINDOWS.

YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE SWINGS ILLUSTRATED ON THERE.

SO THOSE ARE ALSO FACTORED INTO THAT STIPULATION.

YEAH.

SO TO THE APPLICANT, UM, SO WE'RE BASICALLY HOW MUCH STIPULATION TO AND THREE, UM, WE DO USUALLY ASK FOR TRADITIONAL SIZE WINDOWS.

SO I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE, IF, AND THIS IS A, YOU CALL THIS LIKE THE ADDITION, RIGHT? PART OF THE HOUSE.

MM-HMM.

UM, I'M, I'M USUALLY MORE, MORE, I, I I, I WOULD HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE FINAL MATERIAL BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT THAT WE DO NOT ACCEPT THAT THE GUIDELINES, UM, DO SHOW YOU CAN GOOGLE STAFF TO TELL YOU WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL, UM, I, I'M A LITTLE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT THIRD WINDOW BE EQUAL IN SIZE THE NEXT TO IT? THAT THAT'S A, THAT THAT SMALLER WINDOW ON THE FACING WALL IS ACTUALLY A WINDOW THAT GIVES LIGHT TO A CLOSET.

SO A FULL SIZE WINDOW WOULD INTO SOME OF THE STORAGE THAT BUILT INTO THE INTERIOR OF THAT CLOSET.

AND THEN, GOTCHA.

I CAN ALSO, UM, WE ALSO HAVE DISCUSSED ABOUT THE, UM, UM, INSTEAD OF DOING THE TWO VERTICAL WINDOWS, THE LARGER ONES SINCE THE, THE SHOWER IS ACTUALLY RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE WINDOWS, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, ACTUALLY DOING ANOTHER VERTICAL ONE THERE OVER THE SHOWER TO GIVE THE OWNERS THE PRIVACY.

AND THEN WE THROUGH TWO SMALLER, YOU KNOW, NOT AS TALL VERTICAL WINDOWS, UM, ON OFF TO THE RIGHT OF THE VERTICAL ONE, THE, UM, MAKE HORIZONTAL WHERE THE SHOWER IS.

SO THE FIRST WINDOW ON, YOU KNOW, YOUR ON THE LEFT HAS, WOULD BE TURNED INTO A VERTICAL ONE BECAUSE THE SHOWER'S ACTUALLY RIGHT BEHIND THAT.

UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY PRIVACY.

IT'S ALREADY VERTICAL.

YOU MEAN HORIZONTAL? YEAH, I'M SAYING THE FIRST ONE.

THE FIRST ONE, IF WE COULD CHANGE IT TO A HORIZONTAL ONE AND THEN PUSH OVER TO THE RIGHT, THE OTHER TWO WINDOWS AND MAKE THOSE FEET EQUAL SIDE.

OKAY.

SO YOU WERE THINKING YOU WERE THINKING MORE HORIZONTAL ON THE, ON THAT, ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE? YES.

AND THEN PUSH, PUSH TWO SIMILAR SIZE WINDOWS.

HE IS STILL, UH, NOT THE, YOU KNOW, MOST COMMON ADMINISTRATION SIGNS THAT WE USUALLY FIND OUT TO COMMISSIONERS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH.

YES, SIR.

UM, I WANNA START WITH STIPULATION THREE.

THAT IS THE WINDOW SPECIFICATION.

I, I CANNOT SUPPORT, UH, FINAL WINDOWS THAT'S NOT USUALLY SUPPORTED.

THERE ARE SOME VERY RARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THOSE ARE SUPPORTED, BUT, UH, GIVEN THAT THE HOUSE HAS WOOD WINDOWS AND IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, I THINK THIS REFERS TO, UH, FULLY WOOD OR UH, OR CLAD WOOD WINDOWS, THAT THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE MATERIAL FOR THESE, FOR THESE NEW WINDOWS.

AND I ALSO TEND TO AGREE WITH STAFF THAT THESE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS ARE PARTICULARLY PROBLEMATIC.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WEST ELEVATION IS NOT VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND VEGETATION OBSCURES IT, BUT IT ISN'T REAR FACING, IT'S SIDE FACING FROM RIA, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, YES.

SORRY.

IT'S AT THE, IT'S AT

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THE VERY BACK OF THE SOUTH WEST OF THE LOT, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S DRIVEWAY, IT'S IMMEDIATELY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO YES, YOU, YOU COULD DEFINITELY SEE IT EVEN .

THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? YEAH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER.

I HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS AND ALSO THE MATERIAL.

UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE EAST ELEVATION, THERE IS A SMALL, IT LOOKS TO BE A SQUARE WINDOW.

IS THAT, UH, WHAT MATERIAL IS THAT MADE OF? DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S ORIGINAL? SO, UM, SO ON THAT EAST ELEVATION THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE, THE, THE TALLEST PART OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, SO NOT THAT LITTLE SMALL WINDOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL 1896 PART OF THE HOUSE, THE BACK PART THAT YOU'RE SEEING, WHERE THAT SMALL WINDOW IS, IS THE PART THAT IS ADDED IN THE FIFTIES.

SO THIS IS WHERE ALL YOUR PLUMBING AND ALL THAT STUFF COMES INTO PLAY.

SO THAT SMALL WINDOW YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE WINDOW THAT JUST SOME LIGHT INTO THE BATHROOM, WHICH IS SORT OF AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WHERE YOU GO THROUGH A KITCHEN TO GET THERE.

THE CURRENT, UH, WINDOW IS, IT'S LIKE A FROSTED WINDOW.

IT'S NOT A GRAY WINDOW.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MATERIAL, SORRY, SORRY.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MATERIAL IS.

IT DOESN'T HAVE A TRADITIONAL WINDOW STRUCTURE.

LIKE IT DOESN'T HAVE A FRAME.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE A VINYL OR A WOOD CLA.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS JUST LIKE A, LIKE A, THEY DID LIKE A GLAZE AND THEN THEY TRIPPED AROUND IT.

THERE'S NO ACTUAL LIKE FRAME, IT'S NOT OR ANYTHING.

AND THEN THE, THE SMALLER SQUARE WINDOW ON THE EXISTING FIFTIES EDITION ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, WHAT MATERIAL IS THAT? IS THAT WOOD OR THAT'S A VINYL? THAT'S A VINYL.

IT'S, IT'S A VINYL WINDOW.

VINYL WINDOW.

SO OUR, OUR, THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNERS PRIOR TO, UH, LE BACA BEING HISTORIC DE DESIGNATED ACTUALLY PUT IN SINGLE PANE VINYL WINDOWS THROUGHOUT OUR HOUSE PRIOR, PRIOR TO US BUYING.

AND SO ALMOST ALL A SINGLE VINYL, WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY WHEN WE WENT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS WENT WITH THE VINYL, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO STAY CONSISTENT CURRENT THINGS THAT ARE AT THE HOUSE, BUT EVEN THEN THE HISTORIC PORTION, WHAT REPLACED WITH VINYL.

THAT'S CORRECT.

PRIOR TO, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

STILL THERE A COUPLE HOMES THERE, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.

LAST I GOT SOME QUESTIONS.

UH, TELL ME WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE VINYL WINDOWS ONE WINDOW, UH, IN THE HOME? YEAH, IN THE HOME THERE, THERE IS ZERO WOOD WINDOWS IN OUR HOME.

EVERY, EVERY WINDOW WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, THE LITTLE TINY ONE THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.

ON EACH VIEW FROM EACH FACING, EVERY OTHER WINDOW I HAVE IS CURRENTLY WINDOW SINGLE THING.

OKAY.

LEMME ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I MIGHT MAYBE HAVE STAFF IN THERE AS WELL.

UH, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATE, YOU HAVE TWO WINDOWS, LARGE WINDOWS.

THOSE WINDOWS ARE INSIDE, UH, A STREET, SIR.

UM, OKAY.

WHY DO YOU HAVE TWO WINDOWS AND NOT ONE? I I, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU BECAUSE WE HIRED MARK BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS FINE.

YES, SIR.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A FLUKER PASS QUESTION BECAUSE IT, I I THINK IF IT'S, IF IT'S UH, WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S NOT A DIVIDING LIGHT IN THE WAY THE WINDOW IS DRAWN, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK CONSISTENT, PUT A DIVIDING LIGHT IN IT.

I THINK IT STARTS TO MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS A DRAWING I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEN YOU GET TO THE OTHER WINDOW THAT IS ODDLY SHAPED OR IT'S A DIFFERENT RECTANGLE SHAPE, MENTIONED THAT AS WELL IF IT HAD A DIVIDER AND IT, BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE OFF PROPORTION, TOO SMALLER.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT ON YOUR HORIZONTAL WINDOW, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ABOUT BRINGING LIGHT IN, BUT NOT ABOUT DESIGN, RIGHT? UM, MM-HMM.

, I'M NOT SURE THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW REALLY MATTERS THAT IT COULD BE A HORIZONTAL WINDOW THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, I MEAN IT COULD BE A

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VERTICAL WINDOW THAT WAS SMALL PROPORTION, SMALL.

SO THAT IT, I HATE TO USE THE WORD GREEN, RIGHT? THE WINDOW THAT HAS A DIVIDING LIGHT MADE OUT OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MADE OUT TO GET INTO DIMENSION THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU HAVE TO BE MARRIED TO YOUR HORIZONTAL WINDOW TO ACHIEVE LIGHT AND PRIVACY.

OKAY.

AND ALTHOUGH, RIGHT, AND THEN YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT BETTER MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF STAFF, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE MATERIAL.

THIS, THERE WERE NO WOOD WINDOWS.

IF, IF THERE WERE WOOD WINDOWS IN THIS HOUSE, I THINK IT KIND OF HOLDS YOU TO A 95% MOVE.

BUT IF THEY'RE ALL VINYL, THE MATCHING THE VINYL THAT'S THERE, OR AT LEAST UPGRADING TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, HOUSE IS CREATING A CONTRADICTION THAT ALL THINGS BEING FAIR, THE LANGUAGE OF THE WINDOWS OF THE HOUSE, UM, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THAT, THAT IT'S A MAKE OR BREAK.

BECAUSE YOU ARE SAYING THAT 99% OF THE WINDOWS ALSO ARE VINYL WINDOWS.

UM, YEAH, WE ONLY WISH THAT THEY WOULD'VE PUT IN DOUBLE PAY.

WELL, NO, THAT'S, AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY, WHY, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THE WINDOW TO THE LEVEL OF A WOOD OR A WOOD FLAG WINDOW.

TYPICALLY THEY COME ALREADY WITH ALL THE WHISTLES ONCE YOU HIT THAT.

BUT, BUT ON THE, THE LINE OF THE WINDOW, OF THE WINDOW OF, OF THE WAY THAT YOUR FENESTRATION IS THERE, THAT ONE ELEVATION HAS TWO WINDOWS AND THE ONE WINDOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK BALANCED.

IT SEEMS THAT YOU COULD DO MORE WITH LESS, GET THE, GET THE DIVIDING LIGHTS IN.

AND THEN WITH THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW, I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK MUCH MORE BALANCED ALSO WOULD BEAT THE, IT WOULD GET CLOSER TO WHAT, TO HAVE A WINDOW THAT WAS UP AND DOWN WITH A LARGER DIMENSION IN THE VERTICAL TUNNEL TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TWEAK THOSE.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS DOESN'T LOOK QUITE RIGHT.

COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH.

YES, SIR.

UM, I HAVE JUST ONE MORE THOUGHT HERE AND MAYBE, MAYBE I CAN GET TO A MOTION IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER OTHER COMMENTS.

UM, I WAS REVIEWING THE PREVIOUS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THAT WAS ISSUED IN 2016, AND THOSE WINDOWS IN THE REAR EDITION, THE PROPORTIONS AREN'T, UH, SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED, BUT THE MATERIAL IS IN THE ORIGINAL THAT IT BE WOOD, UH, OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD.

AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY TO THE APPLICANT THAT IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN THE FUTURE, THAT THAT SAME STANDARD WOULD APPLY TO THE REPLACED WINDOWS, WHICH IS WHY STAFF IS ENCOURAGING THAT THESE NEW WINDOWS MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HISTORIC WINDOWS ARE LOST, BUT THE MATERIALITY WHEN YOU GO TO REPLACE THOSE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSE.

SO I THINK THE NEW WINDOWS GOING IN NOW SHOULD BE AT A, AT A STANDARD CONSISTENT WITH, UM, SO I, OKAY.

I MOVE FOR, UM, A APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION ONE, MODIFIED STIPULATION ONE TO ALSO ALLOW FOR SHINGLES AS MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT.

AND, UH, STIPULATIONS THREE AND FOUR.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? AND JUST TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER CHRIS, YOU ARE REMOVING STIPULATION TWO FROM THAT FROM THE MOTION? YES.

STIPULATION, STIPULATION, UH, TWO WOULD REQUIRE A MODIFICATION TO THE WINDOWS THAT WERE ALREADY PRESENTED AND RECEIVED.

CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

SO THAT'S MY RATIONALE, MR. CHAIR.

I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT.

COMMISSIONER QUE I, I I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING LITTLE SIDE.

UH, THE, THE ODDNESS TO THE RULE RIGHT? IS THAT THEY'RE VINYL AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE PROJECTS THAT COME.

THEN IF THE APPLICANT WAS REPLACING THE WINDOW WITH, THEY COULD REPLACE.

SO WHILE, UH, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS, OR, OR THE GUIDELINE WOULD SAY THAT RECOMMENDED CERTAIN MATERIAL AN APPLICANT WOULD HAVE, WHICH WE HOPELY YOU WOULDN'T.

RIGHT? BUT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO IN THAT 1 4, 1 RULE.

RIGHT? SAME.

JUST SO THAT THE OTHER CASES THAT WE SOME PARALLEL.

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I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

I WANTED TO COMMISSIONER FISH TO RESTATE THE REASON WHY, WHY HE'S LEADING, UH, STIPULATION TO OUT OF THE MOTION JUST FOR CLARITY PURPOSES.

SO STIPULATION TWO IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW.

UM, I AGREE WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS AND THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, BUT I ALSO, UH, BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND THAT THAT SHOULD BE, THAT'S MY PRIMARY.

SO FOR THE SAKE OF HONORING THE, THE PREVIOUS CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STRIKING THAT ONE IF I UNDERSTAND.

YES.

YEAH.

YES.

AND I ALSO BELIEVE IT IS VERY MINIMALLY PHYSICAL AND IN A, IN A LOW CEILING SITUATION WHERE FULL SCALE, UH, VERTICAL WINDOWS CREATE SOME VISUAL ISSUES.

BUT, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I, YEAH, I, I CONCUR WITH THAT THOUGH.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO RECONSIDER IF THEY COULD DO A SERIES OF SMALL SQUARE WINDOWS AND STILL GET THE SAME EFFECT.

SIMILAR TO OUR, UH, UH, VELASQUEZ WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIRES TO GET LIGHT IN, UH, THE HORIZONTAL ASPECT RATIO OF THAT WINDOW IS THE ODD.

UH, BUT I, I'LL SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

THANK YOU.

AND ROLL CALL PLEASE, FISH.

AYE.

I'M SO SORRY.

MR. HERNANDEZ.

AYE.

FISH VELAZQUEZ? AYE.

AREOLA AYE.

AYE.

OPEN TURN.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

I WAS TEMPORARILY, UH, DISCONNECTED FROM THE MEETING AND THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, SO I'LL EXTEND CARRIES.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UH, NEXT ITEM WILL BE STILL

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LAUREN.

NO, IT'S LAUREN AND LAUREN.

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PERSONAL.

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A SUGGESTION?

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UM, ARCHITECTURE CONSERV.

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CONSTRUCTION

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RECONSTRUCTION.

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AL

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MICHAEL GARCIA, WESTERN VIEW.

EVERGREEN.

EVERGREEN.

EVERGREEN AND RECONSTRUCTION.

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COMMONWEALTH STREET.

EVERGREEN.

EVERGREEN.

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HERNANDEZ.

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C,

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FISH.

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C, QUEZ, VELASQUEZ.

C OLA.

C CARPENTER.

C GROUP, MAGNOLIA DRIVE,

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FRONTAL FRONTAL CONSTRUCTION.

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CARPENTER.

I COMMENTS SEEING IF ANYONE ELSE WANTED TO SPEAK THE CHARACTER.

FRONTAL?

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YES.

COMM.

MR. CHAIRMAN IS COMMISSIONER.

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COMMISSIONER QUE REVISION? FISH.

FISH.

C VELAZQUEZ.

C AREOLA.

C CARPENTER.

C.

PRUDE.

C.

ZER.

C.

C.

THANK

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NO I.

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PERSONNEL.

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F.

THE NAME OF HERNANDEZ, FISH.

UH, CIMARRON.

C CARPENTER.

C

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PROPONENT CANNOT, NO, NO.

73.

SO IS THE GRANDE

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I

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AND

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BERRY CORRECTO? YEAH.

I THEY CONS.

CAN YOU FERNAND? C.

C.

C.

CARPENTER.

C.

ROOF.

C.

C.

C.

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FERN?

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HIS

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ASPECT

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OF

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HE RESPOND.

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PRESIDENT? NO.

NO.

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COMMISSIONER AND LU I.

DISCUSSION SENTENCES.

HERNANDEZ.

C FISH QUE NO SIMRAN.

C.

CARPENTER.

CARPENTER.

C.

GROUP.

C.

C.

LA.

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C.

ROOFING THE

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FERNANDEZ.

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C.

FISH.

C.

C.

OLA.

ZI.

C CARPENTER.

C RULE.

C.

FETZER.

C.

.

C.

COMMISSION.

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YES.

PURCHASED THE MADERA.

SYNTHETIC

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HERNANDEZ.

C.

FISH.

UMAN.

C CARPENTER.

C.

GRU, FETZER.

C.

COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ.

I AM A.