* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. PLEASE. [00:00:01] GOOD ENOUGH. ALRIGHT. [Call to Order] GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UH, IF WE COULD, COULD WE HAVE OUR SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES STATEMENT? HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, OKAY. UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, AS I THINK YOU ALL APPEAR TO BE AWARE, WE ARE SUBJECT TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO MASK MANDATE. SO I THANK YOU FOR WEARING YOUR MASKS, UH, DURING THIS MEETING. YOU CAN REMOVE THEM WHEN YOU COME UP TO SPEAK, BUT THEN PLEASE PUT THEM BACK ON. UH, THAT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED AND IS IN LINE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE MANDATE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMONTE AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. I WOULD LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT. COMMISSIONER RE BATTLES, UH, MARCO BATTLES, DISTRICT NINE, CHARLES FUENTES, DISTRICT THREE, MARK WHITE, DISTRICT 10 FRANCINE ROMERO, DISTRICT EIGHT, SUMMER GREAT HOUSE DISTRICT ONE. ROB SIPES, DISTRICT SEVEN, TAYLOR WATSON, DISTRICT TWO, SIR. AND KEN WITH DISTRICT FOUR, KEN HU, DISTRICT SIX AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, DALE MCDANIEL. MAYOR UH, STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. ALL RIGHT, WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT, PRIOR TO COMMENCING OUR HEARING, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF IF YOU WOULD. SO BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN EX INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION IN ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THE REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING. YOU WILL BE CALLED IN ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. YOU'LL BE INFORMED WHEN YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES. AND THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, ALL RIGHT. OKAY, BEFORE WE GO ON TO OUR LIST OF POSTPONEMENTS AND WITHDRAWALS, UM, AGAIN EVERYONE, I THANK YOU FOR WEARING YOUR MASKS UNLESS YOU ARE SPEAKING. UH, THIS RULE ALSO APPLIES TO ALL STAFF AS WELL AS OUR COMMISSIONERS. SO IF WE COULD ALL DO THAT, UH, UNLESS YOU ARE SPEAKING, PLEASE HAVE YOUR MASK OVER YOUR MOUTH AND NOSE. I'D [Items 1 - 4, & 16] APPRECIATE IT. STAFF, IF WE COULD GO THROUGH OUR LIST OF POSTPONEMENTS AND WITHDRAWALS PLEASE. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN OR POSTPONED. THIS MEANS IF THEY ARE WITHDRAWN, THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO RESTART THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. AND SO THOSE, UH, WILL LIKELY EITHER BE DROPPED OR NOT COME BACK OR WILL COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME. THE POSTPONED ITEMS ARE THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON A BRIEF HOLD, WHETHER TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR MORE TIME TO WORK ON THEIR PROJECT. THOSE WILL COME BACK AT A DIFFERENT POINT, BUT YOU WILL BE NOTIFIED AGAIN OF THE PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THAT MATTER AND SO YOU WILL KNOW WHERE TO COME TO GIVE YOUR PUBLIC [00:05:01] HEARING COMMENTS. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN AND POSTPONED. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS WITHDRAWN AT 2 0 3 HOSSACK AVENUE. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS POSTPONED. THIS IS 1943 WEST FRENCH PLACE. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS POSTPONED. IT'S 1431 THERA BOULEVARD. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS POSTPONED AT 14 700 TRADESMAN DRIVE AND ITEM 16 IS WITHDRAWN. THAT'S SIX 14 BARBERRY STREET, MR. CHAIR. OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AS STAFF EXPLAINED, IF YOU WERE HERE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE ISSUES, SORRY ABOUT THAT. IF YOU WERE HERE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ITEMS, JUST READ ON THE POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS, UH, THOSE WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. THEY EITHER WILL NOT BE HEARD IN THE FUTURE UNLESS RESUBMITTED OR WILL BE RENO. ALRIGHT, [Items 9, 11, 13, & 14] STAFF IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE. YES SIR. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE COMMISSIONER FROM DISTRICT EIGHT, MA'AM THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER NINE. DID YOU WANT TO STILL MOVE THIS TO INDIVIDUAL OR KEEP IT ON CONSENT? I WILL KEEP IT ON CONSENT IF THERE'S NO ONE HERE. UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THAT, IS ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM LOCATED AT 64 60 BABCOCK ROAD? GOING ONCE. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. IF WE COULD STAFF, THANK YOU. COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE. SO FORTED RICHARD, IF YOU COULD MOVE THAT BACK TO, UH, NUMBER NINE, BACK TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. UH, THE OTHER ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING, NUMBER ONE, ITEM NUMBER 11 AT 26 25 16 SOUTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10, ITEM 13 AT SEVEN 16 SOUTH RIO STREET, ITEM 14 AT 2 21 13 GUADALUPE STREET. AND ON ITEMS 13 AND 14, UH, WE DO HAVE VOICEMAILS AND SUPPORT TO PLAY BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND THEN ONE SLIGHT AMENDMENT TO ADD NA TO ITEM NUMBER. UM, 13. 13. OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. STAFF, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED FROM COMBINED HEARING? NUMBER ONE, SEEING NONE, IF WE COULD READ THE COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE ITEMS INTO THE RECORD, THEN WE WILL DO THE VOICEMAILS AND THE AMENDMENT AS NOTED. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C ONE C TWO, C TWO N A C TWO N A C D WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO PAINT AND BODY CENTER C THREE R TO MF 18, LOCATED AT 64 60 BABCOCK ROAD. THERE WERE 38 NOTICES MAILED NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND TANGLEWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUBMITTED DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT ON. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 25 16 SOUTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10. THERE WERE 11 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM LACKLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE A H O D AND C THREE AND A A H O D TO C THREE AND A H O D LOCATED AT SEVEN 16 SOUTH FREO STREET. THERE WERE 40 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR TO IN OPPOSITION. AND HISTORIC WEST SIDE ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT AGAIN, THERE IS GOING TO BE AN AMENDMENT AT THE PODIUM FOR THIS ONE AND A, AND A VOICEMAIL TO PLAY. ITEM 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO R FOUR. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 2113 GUADALUPE STREET. THERE WERE 28 NOTICES MAILED. TWO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. AND THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT AND THERE WILL BE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ITEM. MR. CHAIR, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH STAFF. IF WE COULD PLEASE PLAY THOSE VOICEMAILS AT THIS TIME. AND, AND WHILE WE'RE WAITING, UH, LET IT BE NOTED THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE STEPPED OUT AT 1 10, 1 10:00 PM THANK YOU. [00:10:01] HI, MY NAME IS LETICIA SANCHEZ AND MY ADDRESS IS 1710 VERA CRUZ. ZIP CODE SEVEN EIGHT TWO OH SEVEN. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 363-5895. UM, I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY AT 2 1 1 3 GUADALUPE STREET. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE HISTORIC WESTSIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE ZONING REQUEST, UH, WHICH IS, UH, FROM C THREE AND A TO R FOUR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT TIME IS ONE 12 AND COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAS RETURNED TO THE HEARING. UH, MR. CHRISTENSEN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE MAKE THE AMENDMENT THAT'S DISCUSSED. YES, COMMISSIONERS. UH, ITEM 13 IS AN OLD FAMILY BUSINESS THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE CORRECT ZONING FOR REZONING. THREE. MIKE COMMISSIONERS PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. WE'RE JUST REZONING THIS PROPERTY, UM, AS IT'S AN OLD FAMILY BUSINESS. IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE SEVENTIES, BUT IT DOES, DOES NOT HAVE THE CORRECT ZONING DESIGNATION. AND IN WORKING WITH THE WEST SIDE HISTORICAL ALLIANCE, THAT REQUESTED THAT WE PUT AN NA NO ALCOHOL SALES ON THE PROPERTY JUST IN CASE THEY SELL THE BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CHRISTENSEN. SO THE UH, REQUEST FOR ITEM NUMBER 13 IS TO BE, UH, IN A, AT THIS TIME AMENDED TO BE TO INCLUDE IN A, UM, VERY WELL. ALRIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION FOR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE? MR. CHAIR? THIS IS COMMISSIONER SIPES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEMS NUMBER NINE, NUMBER 11. NUMBER 13 AS AMENDED. AND NUMBER 14. IS THERE A SECOND? I STAKE MR. TO CHAIRMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, INCLUDING NUMBER 13 AS AMENDED, UH, BY COMMISSIONER SIPES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOTTLES. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE? UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. MR. UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. ABSTAIN. CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. STAFF, IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO. UH, AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THOSE ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING, NUMBER ONE, THEY ARE COMPLETED. SO THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. AND MR. CHAIR, DID [Items 8 & 18] YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THE ITEMS WITH THE SAME DATES ON THOSE CONTINUANCES? UH, YES. IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE ITEMS AT THE SAME DATES IN BLOCKS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND ITEM NUMBER 18. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX A H O D TO RM FIVE A H O D, LOCATED AT 5 0 6 EAST ASHBY PLACE. THERE WERE 33 NOTICES MAILED, ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND THIS IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER THE 19TH. AND ALSO ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX, R 20 AND MF 25 WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. TWO, TWO MF 25 AND R SIX, ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED IN THE 7,000 BLOCK OF ERMAN ROAD, THERE WERE 37 NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, TWO RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, FOUR RECEIVED OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FEET IN FAVOR, 30 RECEIVED OUT OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET IN OPPOSITION. AND THE FRIENDS OF THE SAN ANTONIO NATURAL [00:15:01] AREAS IS OPPOSED. THIS ITEM ALSO SEEKS A CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER THE 19TH. MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE TWO ITEMS? NO, SIR. OKAY. VERY WELL. UM, IS THERE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE FOR CASES NUMBER EIGHT AND NUMBER 18 TO THE OCTOBER 19TH MEETING. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER 19TH FOR ITEMS EIGHT AND 18 BY COMMISSIONER SIPES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. CHAIR ANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. [Items 10 & 15] STAFF, IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE OCTOBER 5TH CONTINUANCES PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM RMM FOUR AND R FIVE TO RMM FOUR AND RMM FIVE TWO M H C. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 46 18 WEEBLES STREET. THERE WERE 28 NOTICES MAILED ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, FOREIGN OPPOSITION, AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THIS ITEM IS SEEKING A CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER THE FIFTH. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE H A H O D TO MF 33 A H O D. LOCATED IN THE 9,400 BLOCK OF SOUTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10. THERE WERE 18 NOTICES MAILED. FIVE WERE RECEIVED AT OPPOSITION, NONE WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND VIA CORONADO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. THIS ITEM ALSO SEEKS A CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER THE FIFTH. AND WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 10. OKAY. UM, AND IS THAT VOICEMAIL OR IN PERSON? IN PERSON. OKAY. WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THAT INDIVIDUAL AND WE CAN ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. THE OCTOBER 5TH MEETING. MANUEL VENEGAS? YES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK NOW, SIR, OR YES, PLEASE COME UP. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES SIR, AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS IF YOU WOULD. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MANUEL VENEGAS AND I LIVE AT 1 54 NEWPORT DRIVE. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1963. I OPPOSE THE ZONING CHANGE ALLOWING MANUFACTURING HOMES FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT, UM, WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OTHER MANUFACTURED HOMES ON AUSTIN HIGHWAY AND EISENHOWER, IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE BY RIGHT NOW, YOU'D SEE THEM ALL EITHER CLOSED OR IN VARIOUS STAGES OF DECAY. I THINK THAT THE SAME THING WOULD HAPPEN HERE. UM, PEOPLE LIVING ON THIS IN ON, ON THIS, UM, IN THIS AREA THAT, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, I THINK WOULD HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE SINCE THE SCHOOL IS RIGHT THERE ALSO. UH, I SEE LINES OF CARS ALL THE TIME AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE COME TRYING TO COME OUT INTO THE TRAFFIC. UH, I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE MY SON AND I LIVE CATTYCORNER, AND, AND IT'S RIGHT WHERE THIS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE TWO PLACES TO EXIT THIS, UH, THIS AREA. UM, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A BIG TRAFFIC JAM. UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH ANYWAY, UM, AND I ALSO THINK THAT THAT, UM, HOME VALUES WOULD GO DOWN. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. YES SIR. ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR. DANIEL LEE, IF I SPEAK TODAY, YOU CAN COME BACK. I CAN COME BACK. YEAH. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UH, WHY DON'T YOU COME ON UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. UH, MY NAME IS DANIEL LEE. I LIVE AT 3 0 6 NEWPORT DRIVE. UM, MY QUESTION IS, THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED FOUR TIMES NOW AND WE NOW HAVE A NEW CHAIR FOR DISTRICT TWO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT, BUT I WAS TALKING TO DR. JONES AND SHE HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. SO NOW WE HAVE TO START IT ALL OVER AGAIN. I HAVE A PROBLEM. I DID A CALLBACK ON THE SECOND ONE. THE FIRST ONE Y'ALL DIDN'T [00:20:01] GET. GIVE ME A CHANCE TO SPEAK. THE SECOND ONE I CALLED BACK, DIDN'T GIVE ME A CHANCE TO SPEAK. I SHOWED UP THE THIRD TIME IT WAS IN PERSON, PERSON, IT WAS CONTINUED. SO I LEFT. IT WAS NO BIG DEAL. NOW THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME. THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN SENT FROM EACH INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBOR HAS NOT BEEN SENT OR RECEIVED FOR WHATEVER REASON. SOME OF IT HAS, SOME OF IT HASN'T. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. SO BRIEFLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE VARIOUS COMMISSIONERS AND THIS COMMISSION IN GENERAL IS THAT WE GIVE EVERYONE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ABLE TO SPEAK HERE TODAY, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK HERE ON THE OCTOBER 5TH MEETING. UH, ADDITIONALLY, HOPEFULLY ALL OF THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN DELIVERED. UH, IF IT HAS BEEN RECEIVED BY THE STAFF, IT HAS BEEN SENT TO THE COMMISSION. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BOTH REACH OUT TO DIS DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE WATSON, OUR COMMISSIONER WATSON, HERE TO TALK ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS. AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT, UH, THE CHOICE OF COMMISSIONERS IS THE PREROGATIVE OF THE COUNCIL PERSON. AND SO WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. I UNDERSTAND IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE CHANCE TO MAKE THE BEST PRESENTATION POSSIBLE, WHETHER IT'S INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS SUCH AS YOURSELF OR THE APPLICANTS. AND SO WE WANT YOU TO BE HERE. WE CAN UNDERSTAND IT'S FRUSTRATING, BUT WE THANK YOU FOR COMING AND WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S GETTING THE RIGHT INFORMATION BECAUSE THIS PROCESS WITH THE DEVELOPER IS WE GET TOLD ONE THING AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS AND THEN WE GET TOLD SOMETHING ELSE AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS. SO MICHAEL PEPE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE. SO WE'VE GOT A NEW CASE MANAGER NOW WE'VE GOT A NEW, SO TH THIS IS GETTING FRUSTRATING. I, I, I UNDERSTAND MR. LEE. AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE FRUSTRATION. I KNOW IT'S NOT Y'ALL. I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW ON THE PANEL WHAT'S GOING ON, WHY EVERYBODY'S KIND OF GETTING FRUSTRATED WITH JUST THIS SINGLE ONE. SO YES, SIR. THANK YOU MR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ONE MORE, SIR. EMILY LEE. OH, NO, DID, DID YOU SIGN UP MS? NO, I DID NOT. OKAY. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. UM, YOU CAN ASK THE STAFF MEMBER WHO WAS A STAFF MEMBER ON THIS CASE. OH, KAT, IF YOU WOULD, UH, APPROACH MS. KAT HERNANDEZ OVER HERE AND SHE WILL, UH, I WANNA ADDRESS THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU MS. LEE. I DO SOMETHING TO MS. HERNANDEZ. I'M JUST GONNA GRAB IT REAL QUICK. OKAY. AND MS. LEE, AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. SURE. MY NAME IS EMILY LEE. I LIVE AT 3 0 6 NEWPORT DRIVE. AND I LIVE DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE PROPOSED, MANUFACTURED, UM, HOUSING COMMUNITY IN THIS PROPERTY. AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS STATEMENT, YOU GUYS STATED THAT THERE WAS ABOUT FOUR IN OPPOSITION. AND IT'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING BECAUSE MULTIPLE TIMES NOW I HAVE SUBMITTED AN OPPOSITION PETITION FROM THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE MANY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE TRYING TO WORK TODAY. WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE TRYING TO WORK EVERY DAY, EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT I HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE AND PHONE CALL IN, I HAVE TO TAKE TIME OFF OF WORK. AND THESE NEIGHBORS ARE DAY LABORERS. THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO TAKE THE TIME OFF. SO HERE I AM REPRESENTING THEM. I HAVE OVER 20 SIGNATURES. AND THIS HAS NOT BEEN PART OF THE ORAL RECORD THAT YOU GUYS HAVE STATED THAT THESE ARE OPPOSITIONS. SO THIS IS PART OF THE RECORD. I'VE EMAILED THIS IN MULTIPLE TIMES AND HAS NOT BEEN RECEIVED BY THE CITY. I SPOKE WITH MS. HERNANDEZ ALREADY. I GAVE HER A COPY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE A FIREWALL SET UP, BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CALL IN AS, AS MY HUSBAND SUGGESTED EARLIER, THAT THEY WERE NOT GIVEN CALLBACKS. THEY'RE TRYING TO SUBMIT THEIR DOCUMENTS, THEY'RE NOT BEING RECEIVED. WE ARE ASKING FOR CONFIRMATION. HAVE YOU RECEIVED THESE DOCUMENTS? WE'RE GETTING NO RESPONSE. SO I HAD TO HAND WALK THIS DOWN WITH PROOF OF MY EMAIL SHOWING THAT THIS CAME IN YESTERDAY TIMELY. SO THAT IS A BIG FRUSTRATION THAT OUR VOICES ARE NOT BEING HEARD IN THIS, UM, POSITION AS WELL AS WE WERE TRYING TO TALK WITH, YOU KNOW, DR. JONES AS WELL AND TRY TO GET THIS ALL TAKEN CARE OF. AND, AND WELCOME COMMISSIONER WATSON. UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS MATTER AS WELL. AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVE AND SAME THING, IT'S THE SAME INFORMATION, SAME INFORMATION SINCE JUNE. HERE WE ARE AGAIN, WE'RE FRUSTRATED, WE'RE STILL OBJECTING. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD BY SDEL BROOKS FROM THE COUNCIL PERSON TWO, UM, OFFICE, UH, JALEN MC RODRIGUEZ, THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THEY ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE IN SUCH OPPOSITION THAT THIS SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD. AND SO WE'RE WONDERING WHY WE'RE STILL HERE. WHY ARE WE BEING DRAGGED THROUGH THIS PROCESS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN? AND IT'S EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING WHEN THE COUNCIL PERSON'S ALREADY SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THIS TO MOVE FORWARD. WE'RE NOT GONNA SUGGEST THAT THIS ZONING MOVE FORWARD. SO WE'RE REAL FRUSTRATED WHILE WE'RE HERE. I'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED EVERYTHING IN WRITING MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT I'M GONNA KEEP SHOWING UP BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORS ARE COUNTING ON ME TO SHOW UP AND BE THEIR VOICE. OKAY, THANK YOU MS. LEE. UH, THERE ARE TWO POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS BRIEFLY. UM, [00:25:01] AND THE FIRST IS I'M GLAD YOU NOW HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO KATT HERNANDEZ. SHE SHOULD BE YOUR POINT OF CONTACT FOR THOSE ISSUES. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M SURE KAT WILL ALWAYS RETURN YOUR PHONE CALLS. SHE IS VERY RESPONSIVE IN MY EXPERIENCE. UM, NOT JUST TO ME BUT TO OTHER INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS. UH, THE SECOND POINT IS WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION. UH, WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE CITY COUNCIL. AND SO AS A RESULT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE APPLICANT IS WITHDRAWN, THE APPLICATION IS WITHDRAWN. OUR ACTIVITIES CAN ONLY OCCUR AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING SUCH AS THIS ONE. AND OUR DECISIONS ARE BASED ON THAT PRESENTATION. AND SO, LIKE I MENTIONED TO YOUR HUSBAND, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET THE BEST CASES POSSIBLE FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO APPLICATIONS TO APPLICANTS AND EVERYONE IN BETWEEN. UM, BUT NO MATTER WHAT THE COUNCIL OFFICE HAS SAID, BECAUSE THERE IS AN APPLICATION, IT IS PENDING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, WE WILL HAVE A HEARING UNLESS IT'S WITHDRAWN AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE. UH, COMMISSIONER WATSON CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE UNTIL WE HAVE THE FULL PUBLIC HEARING HERE. AND THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THROUGH THE REGULATIONS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. WHAT CONSTITUTES A FULL HEARING. SO A FULL HEARING IS A PUBLIC HEARING SUCH AS THIS, WHERE WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE COME UP IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CURRENTLY SETTING THIS ON A DOCKET FOR CONTINUANCE. UH, OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS, WHICH WILL BE THE ITEMS THAT FOLLOWED THIS MOTION. UH, SHOULD A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE BE MADE WILL BE CONSIST OF THE APPLICANT PROVIDING A PRESENTATION, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS BEING PUT FORWARD BY INDIVIDUALS IN FAVOR OR AGAINST A REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS, AND THEN A MOTION AND DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AND MOVING FORWARD IN THAT WAY, WHATEVER THAT OUTCOME IS. SO THAT WOULD BE THE FULL, FULL HEARING. SO THE ONLY THING WE'RE WAITING ON IS A MOTION ON FROM YOU GUYS. THAT'S CORRECT. 'CAUSE THE DEVELOPERS ALREADY PRESENTED. WE'VE ALREADY PRESENTED. WELL, WE WILL, WE WILL DO WITH THE PRESENTATION AGAIN WITH THAT FULL HEARING FROM THE DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVE AS WELL. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND SPEAK. UH, WE WILL REMEMBER THIS. YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN, UH, SHOULD A CONTINUANCE BE GRANTED TO OCTOBER 5TH. UM, BUT IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO COME, I GUARANTEE YOU THE COMMISSIONERS WILL REMEMBER YOUR COMMENTS AND KNOW YOUR POSITION. UH, BUT WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THE FULL HEARING SHOULD A CONTINUANCE BE GRANTED ON OCTOBER 5TH. UM, AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. OKAY? BUT I DO APPRECIATE THIS BECAUSE FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, THAT IS HOW THIS COMMISSION WORKS, . OKAY? I HOPE SO. THANK YOU MS. LEE. ALL RIGHT. AND UM, COMMISSIONER WATSON, MAY I APPROACH YOUR TO YOU? ACTUALLY, WE CAN GIVE IT TO STAFF AND THEY'LL GIVE IT TO HER. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. LEE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, CHAIR, SHE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. IT'S UP TO YOU AT THIS POINT 'CAUSE SHE HADN'T SIGNED IN YET. MS. MENEZ, PLEASE COME ON UP. I, I PRESUME YOU'RE MS. MENEZ, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. OH, I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS? MY NAME IS SHARON STA BYER AND MY FATHER, JOHN STA, OWNS THE PROPERTY AT 3 0 2 CERNA PARK, WHICH IS, UM, ONE OF THE ONLY TWO STREETS FOR EGRESS AND INGRESS RIGHT NOW FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. UM, I HAD A QUESTION NUMBER ONE ABOUT THE FACT THAT HOW MANY WERE MAILED, HOW MANY, UM, FORMS WERE MAILED? I THINK YOU'D MENTIONED 20. SO THAT WAS 28. THANK YOU. THERE WERE 28. 28. AND, AND SO YESTERDAY I ACTUALLY CAME DOWN AND SUBMITTED MY FATHER'S. WE'VE BEEN VERY BUSY. MY SISTER WHO CARES FOR HIM, HAD WELL AS A RESULT. SO EVERYTHING IS IN DISARRAY. UM, HOWEVER, I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING THAT THE DEVELOPER HAD, UM, ON SEPTEMBER 15TH AND WAS, UM, EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROP, THE PROPOSAL. UM, I RETURNED MINE YESTERDAY IN PERSON DOWN HERE. AND I WONDER IF MINE WAS ONE OF THE FOUR IN OPPOSITION THAT WAS COUNTED. IT'S AMAZING THAT ONLY FOUR, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE NEIGHBORS OF THESE NEIGHBORS ARE, I MEAN, MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE OPPOSED. IT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE MAJORITY SO THAT THERE'S ONLY FOUR. I FIND THAT INTERESTING, LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOME KIND OF DISCREPANCY HERE. UM, SECONDLY, UM, IT'S A LITTLE DISCONCERTING TO ME THAT [00:30:01] PEOPLE WOULD SEND EMAILS AND NOT GET A RESPONSE THAT THEY WOULD MAKE PHONE CALLS AND NOT GET A RESPONSE. BECAUSE AS WORKING CITIZENS, THIS IS OUR ONLY VENUE I'VE MET THE WONDERFUL LEES, AND THEY'RE WORKING PEOPLE. I MEAN, TO TAKE OFF YOUR JOB, TO COME DOWN CONTINUAL. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED ABOUT YOU'RE AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU CAN SEE OUR FRUSTRATION IF INDEED OUR MESSAGES, OUR LETTERS AND EVERYTHING WE'RE GETTING TO YOU AND YOU WERE ABLE TO RESPOND AND SAY, YES, WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. THAT WOULDN'T BE SO UPSETTING. BUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T IS VERY DISCONCERTING. SECOND OR THIRDLY, FOURTHLY, WHICHEVER I LOST COUNT, BUT, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE PROPERTY MY FATHER OWNS, ARE RENTERS. THEY WORK EXCEPTIONALLY HARD TO PAY THE RENT. THEY LIVE THERE. IT'S A QUIET, LOVELY STREET. IF ANY OF YOU HAD BEEN IN THE AREA, YOU WOULD SEE WHY THE PEOPLE ON THESE TWO STREETS ARE LIKE SEMI HYSTERICAL. I WOULD BE IF I LIVED THERE BECAUSE THE, I LIVE ON A MAIN STREET ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THE TRAFFIC IS HORRIFIC. THIS LITTLE STREET IS LOVELY, PEACEFUL. UM, I, I JUST, THE THE CITY REALLY SHOULD BE CONCERNED AT TURNING THIS INTO A GREEN ZONE. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GOT A CREEK, IT'S GONNA FLOOD ONE DAY. IF THERE'S HOUSES THERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE WIPED OUT. AND I MEAN, I I, MY MAIN STRESS RIGHT NOW IS THE RESPONSE, THE RECIPROCATION OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND EMAILS MAILS, UM, WAS MY MS. BYER, THAT'S YOUR TIME. MS. DAYMAN BYER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, AND IF I'LL JUST BRIEFLY ADDRESS THAT AGAIN, PLEASE REACH OUT TO MS. HERNANDEZ. PLEASE REACH OUT TO, UM, COMMISSIONER WATSON. REACH OUT TO ME. I'LL GIVE YOU A CALL BACK. THANK YOU. UM, IF YOU DON'T HAVE MY NUMBER, IT'S 2 1 0 6 2 3 0 0 8 1. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER? PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. VERY WELL. UM, IS THERE A MOTION MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, CONTINUANCES FOR THE FOLLOWING CASES TO THE OCTOBER 5TH MEETING. UM, ITEMS NUMBER 10 AND NUMBER 15. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEMS 10 AND 15 TO OCTOBER 5TH. IS THERE A SECOND? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER 5TH ON ITEMS 10 AND 15 FROM COMMISSIONER SIPES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY, SO THAT MEANS THAT ITEMS 10 AND 15 WILL NOW BE HEARD ON OCTOBER 5TH. AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S MY CELL PHONE NUMBER SO YOU CAN TEXT ME TOO. UH, YOU MAY GET A RESPONSE IF YOU'RE RUDE, YOU MAY NOT . ALRIGHT, IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS, PLEASE. YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT ONE CLARIFICATION FOR THE AUDIENCE SO THAT THEY KNOW ANYTIME AN ITEM ITEM IS CONTINUED BEFORE THIS BOARD, IT'S TO A DATE SPECIFIC. THAT MEANS THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER NOTICE SENT. IT'S SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TO KNOW THAT THAT ITEM WAS CONTINUED AND THEN YOU COME BACK ON THE DATE IT WAS CONTINUED TOO, BUT THERE WILL NOT BE MORE NOTICES SENT FOR THAT. SO YOU MAY JUST WANT TO REACH OUT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT OCTOBER 5TH AND MS. UH, STA WHEN BYER MS. HERNANDEZ IS WALKING OUT TO TALK TO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [5. ZONING CASE Z202110700106 CD ERZD (Council District 8)] ALL RIGHT, IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES SIR. THE FIRST ITEM I HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 6,900 BLOCK OF HAUSMAN ROAD, THERE WERE 11 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, FIVE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, AND 31 OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT RADIUS THAT ARE OPPOSED. THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. STAFF FINDS EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. ALTHOUGH THE REQUEST MAINTAINS THE BASE ZONING DESIGNATION OF R SIX, LOT DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA IS TRADITIONAL LARGER [00:35:01] LOT WITH ONLY ONE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. AND WE DO HAVE SAS IN ATTENDANCE FOR THE SAS REPORT. MR. CHAIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? I'M SORRY, SAS IS PRESENT. LET'S BEGIN WITH SASS REPRESENTATIVE'S REPORT. THANK YOU. MAKE IT. ESCALANTE WAS SAW AQUIFER PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION. UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT THE 6,900 BLOCK OF HAUSMAN ROAD TO ALLOW A DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT. CURRENTLY THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPED, NO PORTION OF THE SITE IS WITHIN A FLOOD FLOODPLAIN. AND NO SENSITIVE FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE OR, OR NOTED ON FILE. SOS IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT TO INCLUDE 20% IMPERVIOUS COVER FOR THE 0.41 ACRE SITE AS SUBMITTED IN A SITE PLAN BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT SIR? IF YOU WOULD, AND AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN TELL US ABOUT WHY YOU'RE SEEKING THIS REZONING REQUEST. GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS, UH, UR, LAST NAME LIA. I, THE REASON I WANT TO REZONED THIS, UH, PROPERTY, I PURCHASED IT ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO. I HAVE NEVER USED THIS THING. THE NEIGHBOR THAT NEXT TO ME, THEY DO THE LAWN AND UH, I'VE BEEN PAYING TAXES AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL TREES AND RIGHT NOW IT'S HAVE LITTLE TRAFFIC AREA OVER THERE. I HAVE A SON, HE'S IN THE FIGHTER FIGHTING A SCHOOL. AND ME AND MY WIFE, WE DECIDED TO MAKE TWO UNITS, ONE FOR HIM AND ONE FOR US. SO THAT'S THE MAIN REASON. OKAY, THANK YOU SIR. UM, STAFF, WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. WE DO, I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT WE HAVE VOICEMAILS TO PLACE. SIR, IF WE COULD BEGIN WITH THE VOICEMAILS. AND SIR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS ANY ISSUES, UH, FROM THE VOICEMAILS. SO IF YOU CAN STAY UP HERE IN THE FRONT OR GO BACK UP TO YOU. GOOD MORNING. TODAY'S SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2021. MY NAME IS ALBERTO . I LIVE AT 68 18 WILLOW OAK IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. CALLING REGARDING ZONING CASE Z 2 21 1 0 7 0 0 1 0 6. I WANT TO INDICATE THAT, UH, I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE THE, UH, REZONING OF THE PROPERTY, UH, REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR CASE NUMBER. UH, WE LIVE IN A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND WE, THE LAST THING WE NEED IS MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE CONGESTION AND MULTIPLE HOUSING. SO AGAIN, I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE THE ZONING CASE ON Z DASH TWENTY TWENTY ONE, ONE ZERO SEVEN ZERO ZERO ONE OH SIX. MY TELEPHONE NUMBER'S (210) 846-9399 SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE-BYE. HELLO, THIS IS ANNA MARIA ORES AND CARLOS GONZALEZ AT 6 8 0 3 WILLOW OAK INCA ESTATE CALLING REGARDING CASE NUMBER Z 2 0 2 1 1 0 7 0 0 1 0 6. WE ARE VOTING NO TO THE REZONING. WE BUILT A HOME IN DEL LOCA ESTATE 18 YEARS AGO, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT WAS A SMALL SINGLE DWELLING ZONE COMMUNITY IN A THREE BLOCK NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS BUILT A HOME HERE FOR THE VERY SAME REASON. SO CHANGING THE ZONING TO MULTI-FAMILY RUINED THE VERY ESSENCE OF THIS COMMUNITY AND WHY PEOPLE MOVED HERE. PLEASE RECORD OUR NO VOTING, EXCUSE ME, OR NO VOTE TO REZONING. THANK YOU. HI. UM, WE LIVE AT 68 11 WILLOW OAK. I'M NOT SURE IF MY HUSBAND HAS HAD THE CHANCE TO CALL. CASE NUMBER IS Z 2 0 2 1 0 7 1 6. REGARDING A MULTI HOUSE OR FAMILY REQUEST FOR HOUSEMAN IN THE WILLOW OAK SUBDIVISION. UH, WE DEFINITELY VOTE. NO KNOW THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE PURCHASED A HOUSE IN A KIND OF THE AREA THAT IT IS. AND, UH, THEY'RE ALL SINGLE FAMILIES AND THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE AND DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT. UM, SO WE ARE VOTING NO AGAINST AND PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THIS IS ALL FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR [00:40:01] A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, JUST SINGLE FAMILIES, SO WOULD BE OUT OF PLACE. UH, NOT SOMETHING ANYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I BELIEVE IS INTERESTED IN. AND THE SINGLE HOUSE IS FINE JUST LIKE THE OTHERS. SO AGAIN, 68 11 WILLOW OAK, UM, ROCKWELL AND MENDOZA. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME'S REBECCA ANO. I LIVE AT 69 25 WILLOW OAK. I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER ENDING IN 1 0 6 AND I'M AGAINST THE REZONING, UM, FOR THAT HELP ON HOUSEMAN. UM, THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS SANDRA AGUIRE. I LIVE AT 6 8 2 6 WILLOW OAK, 7 8 2 4 9. CASE NUMBER LAST THREE DIGITS ARE 1 0 6. I'M CALLING IN RESPONSE TO THE, UH, PROPERTY. UM, UM, ON 69, A HUNDRED BLOCK OF HOUSEMAN BEING REZONED INTO A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE. UM, I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THREE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES TO BE WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF MY HOME. UM, I I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL, UM, UM, JUST CAUSE ADDITIONAL CONCERN, UM, FOR ME AND MY FAMILY. CREATES MORE UNNECESSARY ACTIVITY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MORE TRAFFIC, MORE PEOPLE POTENTIAL CAUSE FOR INCREASED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. I DO HAVE A NINE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER AND WE MOVED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH, UM, HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE CALM, QUIET, UM, AS TO PLAY IN THE STREETS TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, NICE, UM, UM, FRIENDLY, UH, FAMILY ORIENTED TYPE ACTIVITY. SO, UM, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF REZONING THAT PARTICULAR LOT, UM, FROM A SINGLE FAMILY TO A MULTIFAMILY. UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. OLIA. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY IN REBUTTAL TO THAT? YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES, PLEASE COME UP. UM, WELL MY PROPERTY IS RIGHT ON HOUSEMAN. I MEAN, WHEN I PURCHASED A PROPERTY 15 YEARS AGO, IT WAS DIRT ROAD. IT WAS ONLY TWO WAY. THE BRANDO HIGH SCHOOL, IT WAS VERY TRAFFICY THAT CON IT WAS ALWAYS CONGESTED, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S FOUR WAY AND THESE PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE NOT EVEN NEAR CLOSE TO WHERE MY PROPERTY LINE IS. IT'S RIGHT BY THE STREET. MY RIGHT SIDE NEIGHBOR CONSTANTLY CALL ME, WANTS TO PURCHASE MY PROPERTY. THE BACK, HE HAS A HUGE WORKSHOP RIGHT IN HIS FRONT OF HIS HOUSE. AND THEN THE LEFT SIDE, THE, THE ONE IN THE BACK, HE HAS HIS OWN BUSINESS. I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, I'M NOT A BUSINESSMAN. I JUST WANNA SECURE MY SON'S FUTURE ON PHYSICAL THERAPIST. HE'S INTO THE FIGHTER FIGHTER SCHOOL. THAT PROPERTY BEEN THERE FOR PAST 15 YEARS. SO ME AND MY WIFE, WE DECIDE WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING. SO I SPOKE WITH, UH, DR. ROMERO AND YOU KNOW, AND SHE SAYS, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER LADY, WE EXCHANGED EMAIL. SHE SAID, GO FOR TWO UNIT, YOU HAVE A BETTER CHANCE. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. SO THAT'S MY ARGUMENT. THANK YOU MR. OLIA. IF YOU WOULD MAYBE JUST STAY IN THE FRONT ROW, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS. UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE AND DR. ROMERO IS OUR DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER. UH, SO DR. ROMERO, WE WILL BEGIN QUESTIONS WITH YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I THINK I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION AND IT'S FOR STAFF. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WITH THE CURRENT ZONING HOW THEY COULD CONSTRUCT TWO SEPARATE DWELLINGS? YES. THAT THOUGHT, UM, CAME TO MY, MY MIND AS WELL, SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. SO ACTUALLY SINCE IT, UH, IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND IF IT IS O OWNER OCCUPIED, THE PROPERTY REMAINS OWNER OCCUPIED, WHICH HE SAYS THIS IS FOR HIS SON, THEN HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND ALL OF THAT. SO HE WOULD ACTUALLY BY RIGHT, GET TWO, TWO UNITS WITHOUT NEEDING TO REZONE. IT JUST HAS TO BE THE RIGHT SIZE REQUIREMENTS AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, I HAVE A SECOND QUESTION. UM, IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, YOU CAN LOOK IT UP. GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, COULD THEY REPL IT INTO TWO LOTS THAT WERE BOTH R SIX? [00:45:07] SO IT'S 19,000 SQUARE FEET? YEAH. YES, HE ACTUALLY COULD, BASED ON THE ACREAGE, HE COULD HAVE, UH, HE COULD SUBDIVIDE INTO TWO LOTS, POTENTIALLY THREE . OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU DR. ROMERO. UM, SO I'M GONNA HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. ALIA, IF YOU WOULD. DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED THERE? NO. NO. OKAY. UM, BUT HERE, HERE IS THE, THE TAKEAWAY, YOUR LOT IS 0.44 ACRES. THAT MEANS IT'S APPROXIMATELY 19,000 SQUARE FEET. YOUR CURRENT ZONING IS R SIX. YOU BASICALLY HAVE TWO OPTIONS. YOU CAN REPL INTO TWO OR THREE PROPERTIES, WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BUILD THE TWO HOUSES YOU WANT. YOU COULD ALSO, AS LONG AS YOU LIVE IN YOUR HOUSE, BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE SETBACKS FOR THAT PROPERTY AND YOUR SON CAN LIVE IN THAT HOUSE OR SOMEONE ELSE CAN AS LONG AS YOU OCCUPY ONE OF THE PROPERTIES. UH, SO YOU HAVE THOSE TWO POSSIBILITIES AVAILABLE TO YOU WITHOUT THIS PROCESS. AND SO A STAFF MEMBER CAN TELL, TELL YOU ABOUT THAT IN MORE DETAIL. BUT, BUT THAT IS WHAT DR. ROMERO WAS GETTING AT. UM, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER, REMEMBER YOU TOOK THE WORDS LITERALLY RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH. THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. I DO HAVE ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION THOUGH FOR EVERYBODY. SO, UH, THE MAIN DWELLING UNIT WHERE THE HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIVE COULD BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WITHIN THE REQUIRED SETBACKS AND FURTHER REQUIRED SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, AS LONG AS THE HOMEOWNER OR PROPERTY OWNER RESIDES THERE. I JUST WANNA CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF ON WHAT HAPPENS IF AND WHEN THAT PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO SELL OR MOVES ON FOR WHATEVER REASON. DOES THE PROPERTY BECOME NON-CONFORMING AND THEN THAT PROPERTY CAN NO LONGER BE LEASED OUT IF IT'S NOT SOLD TO SOMEONE ELSE? LIKE A DIFFERENT FAMILY MEMBER CAN'T LIVE THERE AND CONTINUE THAT? OR WHAT THEY WOULD AT THAT POINT NEED TO REZONE FOR THE TWO UNITS? UH, USUALLY, UH, WHEN THERE'S LAND TRANSACTION SALES, THEY LIKE IT TO BE PRETTY CLEAN. SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REZONED. UH, BUT FOR THE SHORT TERM, YES, UH, EXISTING NON-CONFORMING. OKAY. AND AGAIN, I'M IN THE, IF SCENARIO, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, LET'S SAY THIS GENTLEMAN GETS THIS ESTABLISHED AND HE DECIDES TO MOVE ON, UM, WOULD STAFF AT THAT TIME DIDN'T RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL OF THAT POTENTIAL REZONING GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT WAS, UH, AN ALLOWED UH, USE AT THIS POINT IN TIME? WHAT, WHAT WEIGHT WOULD THAT CARRY? UH, THAT'S A TRICKY QUESTION. UH, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS THERE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT WOULD BE VALID, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW IT. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT ASSESSMENT AT THAT TIME. BUT, UH, GENERALLY WE SEE THIS SITUATION EVERY DAY COME BEFORE YOU GUYS AS FAR AS UNITS WHERE SOMEBODY OCCUPIED THE FRONT UNIT AND THEN THEY DECIDE THEY WANNA RENT THE BACK OR WHATEVER. AND SO IT WOULD JUST HAVE TO BE AN INDEPENDENT REQUEST THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AT THAT TIME. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD ANSWER IT AT THIS TIME. IS WHAT IS THE MAX SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT? IS IT, IT'S LIKE 800 SQUARE FEET I THINK. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER REBUTTALS? UH, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. UM, IF I READ THE SAUCE REPORT SAUCE ACTUALLY APPROVES THIS, UH, MOTION THE WAY, UH, IT'S PRESENTED. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, RIGHT. HE, HE SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN SHOWING THE PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, WE APPROVED IT 'CAUSE IT, HIS, HIS SITE PLAN PROPOSES 20% OUS COVER. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BARDOS. UH, I THINK GIVEN THAT WE ARE BACK TO YOU DR. ROMERO FOR DISCUSSION AND A [00:50:01] MOTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I WANTED TO THANK MR. ALIA. UM, HE'S BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH US FOR QUITE A WHILE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN OPPOSED FROM THE BEGINNING. I KNOW THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED OVER TIME AND I WANTED TO LET IT PLAY OUT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE NOT, UH, CHANGED THEIR STANCE. UM, THIS IS, UH, I THINK A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY NEEDS SOME EXTRA PROTECTION, UH, THAT IS TUCKED AWAY THERE IN THE SHADOW OF U T S A AND, UM, HAS A LOT OF DEMANDS AND PRESSURES ON IT, INCLUDING STUDENTS, UH, TEARING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UH, I REALLY WANNA TRY AND PROTECT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I THINK SOME OF THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS ARE PROBABLY UNREALISTIC THAT THIS, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS ON ITS OWN WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND CERTAINLY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND ALL THESE THINGS. UM, IT'S, IT'S A FAIRLY NARROW REQUEST. UH, IT'S NOT FOR MULTIFAMILY, BUT I THINK IT COULD SET A PRECEDENT IN THIS AREA. SO, BECAUSE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THERE ARE THESE TWO OTHER MEANS TO, TO GET TO WHERE, WHERE MR. ALIA NEEDS TO GO, UH, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND, UH, DENIAL FOR ITEM FIVE. OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL FROM DR. ROMERO. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCDANIEL. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. TO MY LEFT DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER TO MY RIGHT DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I AGAIN AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE. UH, THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALSO A LITTLE GYM KIND OF TUCKED AWAY AND IT IS BEING SURROUNDED BY A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT. I DO HEAR THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND AGAIN, ALSO, THIS IS NOT A MULTI-FAMILY REZONING, ALTHOUGH I DO RECOGNIZE FROM SOME OTHER ZONING CASES WE'VE HAD IN YOUR AREA, UH, YOU DO HAVE SOME CAUSE FOR CONCERN WITH THOSE PARTICULAR REZONINGS. AND SO I WANNA SUPPORT YOU ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SORRY MR. . WE WE'RE NOT DOING QUESTIONS ANYMORE, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, AND THIS IS GONNA BE MY DISCUSSION. UM, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR DENIAL. AND PART OF THE REASON IS, IS I DON'T THINK AS, UH, DR. ROMEO POINTED OUT THAT YOU NECESSARILY NEED THIS TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. YOU HAVE TWO POSSIBLE OPTIONS TO GET WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITHOUT DOING THIS, UH, REZONING. AND THE, OUR CONCERN, I THINK AS A COMMISSION IS NOT JUST WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WHAT YOU WANNA DO WITH YOUR FAMILY, BUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT PROPERTY GOING FORWARD FOREVER. UH, OR AT LEAST UNTIL ANOTHER REZONING OCCURS. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHY I'M SUPPORTING THE MOTION. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO TALK TO THE STAFF MEMBERS ON YOUR CASE. UH, 'CAUSE THEY CAN SORT OF GIVE YOU FURTHER GUIDANCE, UH, IN LINE WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. AND THAT'S IT. COMMISSIONER DR. ROMERO TO YOU. LAST WORD. UH, NO. LAST WORD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL, UH, BY DR. ROMERO WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIT? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER BARROS? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BO. AYE. MOTION PASSES AS DENIAL. OKAY, THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK SIR. THANK YOU. UM, [6. ZONING CASE Z202110700184 ERZD (Council District 8)] IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEM NUMBER SIX, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO MF 18. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 16,000 OF KYLE SEALE PARKWAY. THERE WERE FIVE NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE EXISTING R SIX IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE [00:55:01] PROPOSED MF 18 IS ALSO APPROPRIATE ALONG THE SECONDARY ARTERIAL ROAD. STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. WE DO HAVE SAWS HERE AS WELL FOR THEIR REPORT. GREAT. THANK YOU SAWS REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE, MIKE. GUEST ANTE WITH SAWS OFFER FOR PROTECTION. UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED, UH, OFF OF, UH, KYLE SEAL, UM, TO ALLOW AN APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT. THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE, APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY 1.6 ACRES IS IN THE CONTRIBUTING ZONE WITH THE REMAINING 18.4 ACRES IN THE RECHARGE ZONE. CURRENTLY THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPED, NO PORTION OF THE SITE IS WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN. AND NO SENSITIVE FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE NOR NOTED ON FILE. SEZ IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT TO INCLUDE 45% PREVIOUS COVER FOR THE 18.4 UH, ACRES WITHIN THE RECHARGE ZONE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MR. ESCALANTE. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. ASHLEY FAIRMAN KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN 100, UH, LOOP FOUR 10 . UM, THANK YOU ALL. UH, NICE TO SEE YOU IN PERSON, UM, HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT OBVIOUSLY THE KYLE SEALE REZONING PROJECT IN THE M F E 18 REQUEST. DOES THAT WORK? CAN I? OKAY, UM, HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE RELATION TO 1604 HERE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OFF OF THE HIGHWAY NORTH AND IN THE AREA WHERE IT'S MIXED BETWEEN CITY LIMITS AND NON-CITY LIMITS. AND THEN GOING FURTHER NORTH OFF OF THE MAP WOULD BE BABCOCK. NEXT SLIDE. AND, AND JUST THE SAME THING ZOOMED IN AGAIN. UH, HERE'S THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR THE AREA. WE ARE PART OF THE NORTH SECTOR PLAN. UH, SUBURBAN TIER IS THE DESIGNATION AND THE MF 18 IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT, SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO AMEND ANY COMMUNITY PLANS. AND THEN, UM, CAN YOU GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE? SO HERE'S THE ZONING MAP. AS STAFF MENTIONED, WE ARE REQUESTING, UH, MF 18. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY R SIX. UM, THE MF 18 WOULD OBVIOUSLY TO BE ALLOWED FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. AND THEN HERE, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN TELL THAT THE TOP PORTION THAT'S ABOUT 10 ACRES, THE WHITE PIECE, UM, THAT WAS MILLED BACK IN THE EIGHTIES TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF KYLE STEELE. UH, AS YOU SAW IN STAFF'S PRESENTATION, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING THERE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE APARTMENTS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ON THAT PORTION OF THE SITE. UM, FOCUSED ON THAT 10 ACRES OR SO, THE REMAINING 10 ACRES WILL REMAIN OPEN. UM, THE PROPERTY SLOPES DOWN FROM THAT, WHAT USED TO BE A HILLTOP. AND THEN, UM, THE BLUE ON THIS EXHIBIT HERE IS WHAT'S PROPOSED TO BE A PEDESTRIAN WALKING, RUNNING TRAIL, UM, ON KIND OF THE SLOPE OF THE PROPERTY AS IT RUNS DOWN FOR AN AMENITY TO THE AREA. UM, AND THE, THE, OBVIOUSLY THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. UM, I'M GONNA KEEP IT BRIEF. I KNOW THERE'S QUESTIONS, UH, BUT THAT'S IT FOR NOW. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. MOND. UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT STAFF? NO, SIR. I DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM SIX AND NO VOICEMAILS? NO SIR. ALRIGHT. UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE, SO DR. ROMEO BACK TO YOU. WE WILL BE HEARING FROM YOU AGAIN TOO. YEAH, I KNOW. I HAVE A LOT OF CASES. UM, I WILL START WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, SO I, MY MY MAIN QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE SINKING PROPERTY. AND IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SINKING PROPERTY, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL BOUGHT BECAUSE IT CAME FROM CITY SALES TAX MONEY AND IT'S PURCHASED THROUGH THE EDWARDS AQUIFER PROTECTION PROGRAM. IT IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT WILL NEVER BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR AQUIFER PROTECTION. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS REALLY CONCERNED WHEN THIS POPPED UP ON THE MAP. UM, SO I I, I HAVE ASKED THE APPLICANT SOME QUESTIONS BEFORE, BUT I, I WANNA GET THIS ON THE RECORD FOR TWO REASONS. I WANNA MAKE SURE, 'CAUSE THERE WAS A RECENT CASE WHERE THIS CAME UP. I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO PLANS TO PUT WATER OR SEWER EASEMENTS ACROSS THE SINKING PROPERTY OR THE, THE THREE FINGERS CAVE, UM, NEARBY. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT ANY CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE FROM THIS PROPERTY, THIS ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED INTO THE SINKING PROPERTY. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT AND THEN I'M ALSO GOING TO ASK SAWS ABOUT THAT. SURE. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. SO THE THREE FINGERS CAVE, UH, WHICH COMMISSIONER ROMERO REFERENCED IS LOCATED, UH, HERE. OH, UM, ON THIS ONE IT WOULD BE HERE OR HERE, , UM, TO THE NORTH OF THIS SITE. SO, SO THAT IS OFF OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE CONTRIBUTING ZONE AND, AND NOT WITHIN [01:00:01] ANY PORTION OF THE, THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE'S ALSO A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AREA BETWEEN HERE AND THERE. SO NO, WE WON'T BE IMPACTING THAT. UM, THE SECOND QUESTION REGARDING WATER AND SEWER, THAT WILL BE, UM, IN CALCIUM PARKWAY. SO THEIR SINKING IS TO THE EAST AND KYLE STEEL IS TO THE WEST. SO UTILITIES WILL BE ROUTED DOWN. KYLE STEEL, SO THEY WON'T GO THROUGH SINKING. AND THEN IN REGARDS TO DRAINAGE, UM, THERE IS FLOODPLAIN HERE. UM, SO SINKINGS HERE, THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY WHICH WILL ALSO BE PURCHASED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE, UH, WILL DRAIN INTO THAT FLOODPLAIN, UH, AND IT SAWS NOTES IN THEIR REPORT. IT, I DON'T THINK IT HAS A SPECIFIC NAME, BUT IT IS A TRIBUTARY THAT GOES FLOW SOUTH INTO, UH, HUERTA CREEK, I BELIEVE. SO THAT WILL NOT BE ON THE SINKING PROPERTY EITHER. OKAY. IS IT HUERTA CREEK OR WETA CREEK? WETA, SORRY. ALL RIGHT. I, I'D LIKE TO ASK SAS THEN BASICALLY THE SAME QUESTION, BUT I, I GUESS SOME I'M ALSO, UM, I I I JUST HOPE THAT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE ZONING CASES IN THE RECHARGE ZONE AND WE GET SAS INPUT, IF THERE IS AN EDWARDS AQUIFER, UM, PROPERTY, EITHER THAT THE CITY OWNS OUTRIGHT, THAT THERE'S AN EASEMENT ON IT, THAT THAT CAN BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IF ONLY TO MAKE ME FEEL BETTER. UH, SO, SO I'D JUST LIKE TO GET YOUR RESPONSE ON THE DRAINAGE AND THE EASEMENTS AS WELL, BUT ALSO ON THAT OTHER QUESTION. SURE. I UNDERSTAND. UM, YEAH, SO IF YOU LOOK AT, DO WE HAVE A, AND MR. BARR, IF YOU WOULD, RECOM IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, YES. MICHAEL BARR WITH THE RESOURCE PROTECTION DIVISION OF THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM. UH, DO WE HAVE A LASER POINTER? IS IT THIS ONE? IT SHOULD BE THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO KYLE SEAL GOING THIS DIRECTION IS DOWNHILL. THE TOPOGRAPHY, IT'S IN A HIGH AREA RIGHT HERE. THERE IS, LIKE ASHLEY HAD MENTIONED, THERE IS, UM, VERY STEEP DRAINAGE AREA BACK HERE THAT GOES DOWN A WASTE OF CREEK, A TRIBUTARY TO IT. AND THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, UM, I SPOKE WITH SAS ENGINEERING AND THE PROPOSED LINE, A UTILITY SERVICE AGREEMENT HAD JUST COME IN, UH, WITH SAS ENGINEERING AND THE PROPOSED LINE IS GONNA COME DOWN KYLE SEAL PARKWAY. UM, WE, I DID NOT SEE ANY PLANS OR ANYTHING SHOWING ANY, UM, SEWER LINES GOING THIS DIRECTION THROUGH THE MEDALLION OR THE SINKING TRACT. UM, SO IT, IT APPEARS THAT AS LONG AS THE UTILITY SERVICE AGREEMENT, UH, IT DOES FOLLOW THROUGH WITH A PROPOSED ONE. IT WILL BE COMING DOWN THIS WAY AND IT'S AN EIGHT INCH LINE, I BELIEVE. UM, AS FAR AS THE VICINITY OF THE SINKING TRACT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS UNAWARE OF IT. I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT. UM, I DO KNOW THAT THE HILLS AND DALES AREA RIGHT OVER HERE, I DO KNOW OF A, A LARGE CAVE IN THAT AREA, IN THAT DIRECTION, UH, OFF OF THIS SITE, OF COURSE. UM, BUT I WAS UNAWARE OF THE OTHER CAVE THAT YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED. I, I DIDN'T KNOW THE NAME OF THAT ONE. UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE, UH, IF WE HAVE ONE THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT OR CLOSE BY, WE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LET YOU KNOW. OR DISTRICT EIGHT, NINE OR 10 IF THERE'S AN ADJACENT, UH, CONSERVATION EASEMENT. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I, I BELIEVE THE CITY ACTUALLY OWNS THIS ONE OUTRIGHT, BUT EITHER ONE WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, DR. ROMERO. UH, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, MR. BARR, IF YOU COULD COME BACK UP PLEASE? UH, YES MA'AM. UM, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON THE DISCUSSION. SO IF, IF YOU WERE, AND WHOEVER WENT AND DID THE RESEARCH ON THIS PROPERTY, WERE UNAWARE OF THIS EASEMENT, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT SAULS WOULD WANT TO RE-LOOK AT? UM, MY CONCERN IS SOME KIND OF RUNOFF OF SEDIMENTS OR I DON'T KNOW, CHEMICALS, WHAT HAVE YOU INTO THAT, UH, CONSERVATION AREA WOULD, WOULD MAYBE POSE A PROBLEM. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SAS WOULD WANT TO RE-LOOK AT? WELL, IT IS OFFSITE. UH, WE HAVE NOT, UM, RECEIVED ANY PERMISSION TO GO ON THE PROPERTY. WE WOULD HAVE TO RECEIVE PERMISSION FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PARKS AND REC. UM, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. UM, AT THIS TIME WE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH IT BECAUSE, UH, THE KYLE SEAL AREA, UM, AND WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA BE, THEY DO HAVE TO DO A WATER QUALITY, UH, BASIN. AND [01:05:01] TO BE DISCHARGED OFFSITE, WHETHER IT'S DOWN THIS DIRECTION OR TOWARDS KYLE'S SEAL, IT HAS TO BE TREATED. SO AT THIS TIME WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT. OKAY. AND, AND I REALIZE THAT WE HAVE TIME MOVING FORWARD TO COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE YOU MAKE THAT STEP AND REACH OUT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND JUST GET SOME INDICATION FROM THE CITY ON WHETHER THERE'S ANY CONCERN BEFORE IT GETS TO COUNCIL. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. YES, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. SORRY THAT WAS FOR HIM. UH, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU'LL BE DEVELOPING MAYBE ON THE FRONT PORTION OF THE 10 ACRES. SURE. UH, ABOUT 300. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, NOW. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. SORRY, DIDN'T MEAN TO TRY TO CUT YOU OFF. THAT'S ALRIGHT. UM, ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE, UH, DR. ROMERO TO YOU FOR MOTION AND DISCUSSION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR MIKE BARR, BUT I ACTUALLY ASKED HIM TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE CITY STAFF WITH THE EDWARDS AQUIFER PROTECTION PROGRAM, AND HE DID DO THAT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY NEED FOR HIM TO REACH OUT BECAUSE, UM, I WAS PRIVY, PRIVY TO THE DISCUSSIONS, UH, BETWEEN MIKE AND PHILIP COVINGTON WITH THE CITY. SO, UH, PHILIP WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. NOW I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS NOW. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT IT ON THE RECORD ABOUT ALL OF THIS, AND I, I'D FEEL BAD IF I DIDN'T SAY THIS. UM, SOMETIMES PEOPLE REFER TO THIS AS THE MEDALLION PROPERTY, BUT THE NAME WAS CHANGED TO THE SINKING PROPERTY TO HONOR FAY AND WILLIAM SINKIN, WHO ARE THE PIONEERS OF WATER PROTECTION IN OUR CITY. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO, TO REMEMBER, UM, THE NAME AND OTHERWISE, I, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THIS, SO I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FROM DR. ROMEO. IS THERE A SECOND? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? SECOND. OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BARTLES. ALRIGHT, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER'S ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO, SORRY. ALRIGHT, UM, I DO HAVE JUST A BRIEF DISCUSSION IN THAT I'M GLAD THAT PEOPLE ARE REMEMBERING, UH, FAYE AND BILL SINK AND I THINK FREQUENTLY AND FONDLY OF HIM. UH, BUT THE SECOND ISSUE IS I AM VERY PLEASED THAT DR. ROMEO BROUGHT UP SOME OF THESE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AND SEWAGE ISSUES THAT CAN IMPACT THESE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. UH, INADVERTENTLY IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, UNINTENTIONALLY SOMETIMES. AND TO HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT'S WORKING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THOSE IS REALLY APPRECIATED. THAT'S IT. SO, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL FROM DR. ROMERO WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARTOS. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, MOVING ON NOW, [7. ZONING CASE Z202110700198 ERZD (Council District 8)] STAFF TO COM UH, INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R 20 SS ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY, A LICENSED CHILDCARE AT 74 0 6 WILD EAGLE STREET. THERE WERE 17 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. TWO RECEIVED OPPOSED, NINE RECEIVED OPPOSED OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET. NO RESPONSE FROM HILLS AND DALE'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. A PETITION OF OPPOSITION SIGNED BY 48 INDIVIDUALS, 16 SIGNATURES WITHIN THE 200 FEET, 32 SIGNATURES OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FEET. THE CURRENT R SIX SINGLE FAMILY IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. THE PROPOSED R 20 SS IS APPROPRIATE AS WELL. THE PROPERTY WOULD MAINTAIN THE RESIDENTIAL, UM, A RESIDENTIAL BASE AND THE PROPOSED SS SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION WOULD ALLOW FOR CHILDCARE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND SAWS IS AVAILABLE FOR THEIR REPORT AS WELL. VERY GOOD. MR. ESCALANTE, UH, SAS REPORT PLEASE. MICHAEL ESCALANTE WITH, WITH SA A FOR PROTECTION. UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT 74 0 6 WILD EAGLE STREET [01:10:01] TO ALLOW A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, LICENSED CHILDCARE LEARNING CENTER. CURRENTLY. THERE IS, THERE IS, THERE IS A EXISTING HOUSE WITHIN AN ATTACHED GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY. UH, NO PORTION OF THE SITE IS WITHIN A FLOOD FLOODPLAIN AND NO SENSITIVE FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE, UH, NOR NOTED ON FILE. SAWS IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT TO INCLUDE, UH, 19.35% IMPERVIOUS COVER FOR THE 0.74 ACRE LOT AS SUBMITTED AN SITE PLAN BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS. HELLO, MY NAME IS ADRIANA VERA. I LIVE IN 6 0 6 7 WA UH, WASHINGTON WAY, 7 8 2 5 6. IT'S MY ZIP CODE. UM, I AM THE FOUNDER AND DIRECTOR OF JOY HOLISTIC EDUCATION. UM, I HAVE MORE THAN 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN PUBLIC EDUCATION. I WAS MEMBER OF THE TEAM WHO OPENED PRE-K FOUR S A AND WORKED VERY HARD TO MAKE IT THE BEST EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAM IN TEXAS. I'M A SENIOR CONSULTANT AT THE HOLDSWORTH CENTER, SO I HELP PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO, UH, TRANSFORM THEIR LEADERSHIP PIPELINES. UH, HOWEVER I BECAME A MOM AND MY PASSION IS EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION. SO I DECIDED TO OPEN THIS. UM, THIS IS A SCHOOL, THIS IS CONSULTING CENTER SERVICES AND THIS IS AN ONLINE PLATFORM. THIS SCHOOL IS INTENDED TO BE VERY SMALL AND BE AN INCUBATOR FOR OUR HOLISTIC PRACTICES. UM, WE HAVE THIS SCHOOL ALREADY OPERATING AT THIS PROPERTY, 7 4 0 6 WILD EAGLE STREET BECAUSE IT IS ALLOWED IN THE CURRENT ZONING. SO BEFORE WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, WE MADE SURE THAT IT WAS, UM, ALLOWED. UM, HOWEVER, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PER DEFINITION IN THE ZONING COMMISSION, A SCHOOL IS CONSIDERED KINDER TO SECOND AND ALL THE RESEARCH THAT WE WANNA DO AND ALL THE PRACTICES THAT WE WANNA CREATE, IT'S FOR PRE-K AND TODDLERS. SO MY REQUEST TODAY IS NOT ABOUT BRINGING MORE KIDS, OR IT'S NOT ABOUT CHANGING THE WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT'S ONLY ABOUT BRINGING YOUNGER KIDS TO THIS SCHOOL. UM, AND AS I SAID, THIS IS GONNA HELP US, UM, ACCOMPLISH OUR MISSION OF CREATING A BETTER WORLD THROUGH HOLISTIC EDUCATION. WE HAVE INNOVATIONS IN THE AREAS OF SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL DEVELOPMENT, CIVIC EDUCATION, ANTI-RACIST CURRICULUM. AND AS WE KNOW, UH, THE EARLY GRADES ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO CREATE THIS DISPOSITIONS. UM, OPERATING AS A DAYCARE INSTEAD OF AS A SCHOOL. IT ACTUALLY GOING TO HELP THE COMMUNITY. AND IT, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS, HOWEVER, ALL OF THE CONCERNS CAN BE BETTER ADDRESSED AS IF I OPERATE AS A DAYCARE THAN AS A SCHOOL. SO I WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY ONE MORE TIME TO EXPLAIN THAT AND TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, UH, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE. THOSE ARE VALID CONCERNS. UM, I'VE BEEN WALKING THE NEIGHBORS, UM, EVEN READING DOCUMENTATION, DOING, UH, MEETINGS AND ALL THE INPUTS I HAVE INCORPORATED IN THE PLANS. SO I HAVE DONE A LOT OF CHANGING IN MY INITIAL PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SLOWLY BUT SURELY BECOME AN ASSET IN THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF BECOMING THIS HAZARD THAT I KNOW THAT I'M, I HATE TO DO THIS, BUT WE ARE HERE. SO, UM, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT LIKE HOW OPERATING AS A DAYCARE WILL BE BETTER THAN OPERATING AS A SCHOOL. UH, FIRST OF ALL, UM, TEXAS EDUCATION ADMINISTRATION, UH, SAYS THAT PRIVATE SCHOOL ARE NOT REGULATED BY ANY GOVERNMENT ENTITY. AS A DAYCARE, I WILL NEED TO BE REGULATED BY THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, WHICH IS ALL OF THESE STANDARDS, RIGHT? PRIVATE SCHOOLS, NONE. UM, WE ALREADY HAD OUR INSPECTION AND WE PASSED ALL OF THESE, UH, STANDARDS. SO THE ONLY THING THAT IT'S MISSING IS TO GET LIKE THAT ZONING APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE ASSET ACRE. UM, THEY INSPECT PHYSICAL FACILITIES, THEY INSPECT OUR EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PLAN, THE QUALITY OF THE STAFF, EVERYTHING. SO WE HAVE THAT. ANOTHER WAY THIS IS GONNA BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY IS BECAUSE WE WILL BE ABLE TO BRING THE SIBLINGS. SO ALL THE KIDS THAT ARE ENROLLED, UM, I WOULD SAY ALMOST 70 PER, NO, I DON'T WANT 60% OF OUR, OF OUR KIDS, OF OUR FAMILIES ENROLLED HAVE SIBLINGS WAITING TO COME. SO THAT MEANS THAT I WILL NOT HAVE TO RECRUIT SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN, BUT THE SIBLINGS WILL BE ABLE TO COME TO THE SCHOOL. SO THAT MEANS LESS FAMILIES, LESS CARS, LESS TRAFFIC. RIGHT. UM, AGAIN, SINCE WE, UM, PUT AN OFFER IN THIS PROPERTY, WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL TO REACH OUT TO NEIGHBORS. WE WALK, WE TALK TO PEOPLE, WE INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS IN THE PLANT. UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WILL GONNA BECOME COMMERCIAL, BUT THIS IS ONLY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE AS A DAYCARE. WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE RESIDENTIAL. UH, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING AND TRAFFIC, SO I'M COMPLYING WITH WHAT THE CITY'S ASKING ME THAT IT'S SIX PARKING SPOTS. HOWEVER, I KNOW THAT WASN'T [01:15:01] GONNA BE ENOUGH. SO WE INVESTED AND WE, UM, BUILT A 12 FEET DRIVEWAY THAT IS GONNA HELP US WITH PICKUP AND DROP OFF SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE PARKING IN THE STREETS. UH, WE CREATED A TRAFFIC PLAN THAT ALL OF OUR FAMILIES HAVE TO SIGN AND ACKNOWLEDGE, AND WE'VE BEEN ON TOP OF THEM. SO THEY DON'T USE THE STREETS THAT OUR NEIGHBORS WERE TELLING US WE'RE VERY BUSY. UH, SO WE MAKE THEM GO TO A DIFFERENT ROUTE. AND WE ARE ON TOP OF THAT TOO. UM, WE HAVE STAGGERED DROP OFF STARTING AT SEVEN AND ENDING AT NINE. UM, THE PICKUP, IT'S STARTING AT THREE AND ENDING AT 5:00 PM SO PLEASE DON'T ENVISION HAVING 30 CA CARS AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE 5 5, 5. RIGHT. UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THAT THE DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVEWAY WAS NOT BUILT CORRECTLY, BUT IT WAS INSPECTED BY THE CITY AND BY SA SO, UM, ANOTHER BIG CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS WAS THE CAPACITY. AND I THINK THERE'S SOME, UH, UNDERSTANDING HERE. UH, THEY THINK THAT IF WE BECOME A DAYCARE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO BRING MORE KIDS, BUT IT, THAT IS NOT TRUE. UM, IN CONTRARY, BECAUSE WE WILL BE REGULATED BY LICENSING, THEY ACTUALLY CHECK HOW MANY KIDS CAN FIT IN EVERY SCHOOL. IN EVERY CLASSROOM. I'M SORRY. SO IT'S 30, 30 SQUARE FEET PER CHILD. SO THAT MEANS THAT MY CAPACITY WITH LICENSING AS A DAYCARE WILL BE 34 STUDENTS. AS A SCHOOL, I WOULD NOT BE REGULATED BY, ONLY BY MY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCEPT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE SEPTIC, UH, BUT AGAIN, AS A CHILDCARE FACILITY, MY LICENSING, UH, REQUIRES TO HAVE A SEPTIC INSPECTION. WE GOT IT ON JULY 26TH. WE WERE INSPECTED AND WE WILL NEED TO DO THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS. UM, SO, UM, WE ALSO, THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH LICENSING OR WITH ANYTHING, BUT WE WERE BASED ON THE INPUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY, THEY WERE, THEY FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD LOOK LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT AS A BUSINESS. SO WE DIDN'T TOUCH THE LANDSCAPE OR ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE LOOK. WE HAVE COMMITTED TO NOT PUT A SIGN. SO IF YOU DRIVE THERE, IT'S A, IT'S A HOUSE. WE ASK, UM, WE, THE KIDS, WE GAVE KIDS DISCOUNTS. SO THIS BECOMES, AGAIN, AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. AND WE PUT A FENCE, UH, BECAUSE ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS SAID THAT THEY WANTED PRIVACY, SO WE ALSO INVESTED IN THAT. SO WE'RE LIKE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR PLANS. SO WE COST THE LIST IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, I THINK THAT'S IT. I THINK I JUST WANNA CLOSE BY SAYING THAT THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ONLY ABOUT THE AGE OF THE STUDENTS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE CAPACITY OF THE SCHOOL. AND THAT IF WE'RE GRANTED, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE AN OPEN DOOR POLICY. EVERYBODY HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER AND WE'LL CONTINUE HAVING A STRONG COMMUNICATION WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE H O A AND ALL OF THAT. THANK YOU MS. BERA. THANK YOU. MS. ESCALANTE, ARE YOU DOING THE SAUCE? OH, SORRY. WE DID THE SAS REPORT. OH MY GOSH. YEAH. FORGIVE ME. I AM DOING GREAT. UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, SIR. UH, KAREN HORRID. HELLO. UM, MY NAME IS KAREN HAM AND OUR HOME IS LOCATED AT 73 26 WILD EAGLE. WE ARE ONE HOUSE DOWN FROM THE JOYCE SCHOOL AND THE PROPOSED DAYCARE. WE ARE WITHIN THE 200 FEET AND WE HAVE BEEN IN OUR HOME FOR 20 YEARS. UM, I WANT TO JUST MAKE TWO QUICK POINTS. I WANT THE COMMITTEE TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO EDUCATION AND WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO CHILDCARE. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE BOTH RETIRED SCHOOL TEACHERS. WE SUPPORT TEACHERS, WE SUPPORT EDUCATION AND STAFF, AND WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT LEARNING. WE ALSO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES, WHICH A DAYCARE IS A SMALL BUSINESS. IT IS NOT A SCHOOL. UM, WE ARE ALSO OPPOSED TO A SMALL BUSINESS OF THIS SIZE IN OUR RESIDE IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. A BUSINESS THAT HOUSES 30 TO 45 PEOPLE MAY NOT SEEM BIG TO YOU, BUT IT IS TO US WHO LIVE IN A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SMALL STREETS WITH QUITE A BIT OF TRAFFIC, WITH NO CURBS AND NO SIDEWALKS. UM, MS. BECERRA HAS STATED IN A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION WITH NEIGHBORS THAT SHE WOULD BE AN ASSET TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SHE WOULD PROBABLY BE AN ASSET TO THE DAYCARE, BUT, UM, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF AN ASSET. A BUSINESS IS AN ASSET TO THE BUSINESS OWNER ONLY. UM, FOR ME, AN ASSET TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE A FAMILY OR INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN THAT HOME. AN ASSET WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO JOINED [01:20:01] OUR VOLUNTEER NEIGHBORHOOD HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. IT'S SOMEONE WHO JOINED OUR POOL, WALKED THEIR DOGS, RODE THEIR BIKES IN OUR JULY 4TH PARADE. AN ASSET WOULD BE A FAMILY WHO ATTENDED OUR LABOR DAY PARK PARTIES AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NIGHT OUTS. AN ASSET WOULD BE ANOTHER PERSON WHO WOULD VOLUNTEER TO CLEAN OUR POOL, CUT OUR GRASS, AND PUT SAND IN OUR VOLLEYBALL COURTS. UM, MS. BERA WILL BE COMING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON MONDAYS THROUGH FRIDAYS TO RUN HER BUSINESS. SHE'LL UNLOCK HER DOOR, SHE'LL RUN HER BUSINESS AT CLOSING TIMES. SHE'LL LOCK UP AND SHE'LL GO HOME TO HER NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE SHE WILL BE DOING ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE NEED IN HOURS. UM, THE SCHOOL IS ALREADY THERE. UM, WE ARE ALREADY, AS THE SCHOOL GROWS, IS ARE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH THE STREET ISSUES, THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, ALL OF THESE ISSUES AS HER MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY INCREASES, UM, TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BUSINESS FOR HER TO OPEN A DAYCARE JUST SEEMS EXTREME. SO I ASK THAT YOU NOT APPROVE A CHANGE THAT WILL POSSIBLY ADD TO ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AS A SIDE NOTE, WE DO HAVE A VOLUNTEER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, I RECEIVED A NOTE FROM THEM YESTERDAY, SEPTEMBER 20TH, THAT STATES THE HILLS AND DALES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DID NOT REACH CONSENSUS ON THE ISSUE OF REZONING 74 0 6 WILD EAGLE. THEREFORE, THEY REMAIN NEUTRAL IN THIS DECISION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DONALD HORTON. MY NAME'S DONALD HAM. I LIVE AT 73 26 WILD EAGLE, ONE HOUSE DOWN FROM 74 0 6 WILD EAGLE. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS ZONING CHANGE FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. WE LIVE ON A VERY BUSY STREET. THERE'S A CATHOLIC SCHOOL AT THE END OF WILD EAGLE AND THERE'S MULTIPLE CARS UP AND DOWN THE STREET DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP THEIR KIDS. WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION, A LOT OF SPEEDING AND NOISE UP AND DOWN THE STREET. SHE WANTS TO CHANGE THE ZONING SO SHE CAN OPEN A DAYCARE. A DAYCARE IS NOT A SCHOOL, WHICH IS SHE HAS ALREADY LEGALLY OPENED. THE DAYCARE IS A BUSINESS, A BUSINESS AND A SCHOOL. BOTH HAVE TO HAVE PARKING PLANS. WE DO NOT KNOW IF SHE HAS A PARKING PLAN. THE PARKING IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE FOR HIS, FOR HER EMPLOYEES. PARKING HAS TO BE ON THE PREMISES, NOT ON THE STREET. PARKING PLAN HAS TO BE FEASIBLE, MEANING EACH PARKING SPACE HAS TO BE ITS OWN UTILITY OR ENTITY. THIS MEANS EACH CAR HAS TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENTER AND EXIT ON ITS OWN WITHOUT MOVING OTHER CARS. YOU CANNOT STACK CARS. AND WE DO NOT KNOW IF SHE WILL NEED A HANDICAP PARKING SPOT. AND THERE SHOULD BE NO VARIANCES TO THE PARKING PLAN. AND THE NEW DROP OFF PICKUP DRIVE SHE HAS INSTALLED, IT CANNOT BE INCLUDED IN THE PARKING PLAN THAT IS FOR DROP OFF AND PICKUP ONLY. SHE HAS STATED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE PAST THAT SHE NEEDS 11 PARKING SPACES. THERE'S NO WAY SHE CAN GET HALF OF THOSE IN THE DRIVEWAY AND PARKING AREA SHE CURRENTLY HAS. AND ALREADY STATED, THE PARKING PLACES HAVE TO BE ON THE PREMISES, NOT ON THE STREET. THIS ZONING CHANGE SHOULD BE DENIED FOR MANY REASON, TRAFFIC, CONGESTION, NOISE AND SAFETY ON ALREADY BUSY STREET PLUS THE PARKING ISSUE. IF YOU ALLOW THIS JOINING THIS, UM, ZONING CHANGE TO PASS, THEN YOU'LL SET A PRECEDENT FOR THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY, BUSINESS ACTIVITY TO POSSIBLY OCCUR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN MANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. SARAH WRIGHT, RIGHT? SORRY. THIS STUFF. OKAY. CAN I ASK SOMETHING BEFORE I GET STARTED? MS. WRIGHT? UH, IF YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS ZONING REQUEST. I'M SARAH WRIGHT. I RESIDE AT 7 3 3 1 SHADY HOLLOW LANE. OUR PROPERTY, UH, TOUCHES THE SOUTHERN CORNER OF THEIR PROPERTY. UM, AND I HAVE SOMETHING I'M GONNA READ. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU TO THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF MY OPPOSITION TO THE REZONE REQUEST OF 74 0 6. WHILE EAGLE. THIS PROPERTY IN OURS IS LOCATED IN THE HILLSDALE SUBDIVISION. IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR [01:25:01] 50 PLUS YEARS. AND THE BEAUTY OF OUR SUBDIVISION IS NATURAL BRUSH TREES. SLOPING TERRAIN HAS ROCKS AND OUTCROPPINGS. I BELIEVE SOME ARE DOLOMITE. WE ARE ALSO BLESSED TO HAVE NATURAL WILDLIFE AND INSECTS THAT ARE COMMON IN OUR AREA DUE TO LANDSCAPE. WHEN DECIDING WHETHER TO APPROVE REZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY, CONSIDERATION OF THE TERRAIN, SPECIFICALLY 74 0 6 WILD EAGLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. OUR PROPERTY TOUCHES THE SOUTHERN CORNER AND THE LANDSCAPE OF THIS PROPERTY IS ROCKY WITHOUT CROPPINGS, AS WELL AS SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, A DAYCARE OF CHILDREN WILL BE EXPOSED TO DANGEROUS, PREDATORY AND VENOMOUS ANIMALS THAT ARE COMMONLY SEEN ON OUR PROPERTIES, ROADS, PARKS, AND IN OUR SUBDIVISIONS BASED UPON OUR EXPERIENCE SIGHTINGS AND EXPOSURE. WE HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 17 YEARS. I MEANT TO TELL YOU THAT I'VE LISTED SOME OF THE ANIMALS AND INSECTS AND SPIDERS. WE SEE RED, HORNETS, SKUNKS, SCORPIONS, PORCUPINES, CENTIPEDES, TARANTULAS, FIRE ANTS, COYOTES, FOXES, BLACK WIDOW SPIDERS, BROWN RECLUSE, SPIDERS, BUCKS, DOZE. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE'VE HAD GARDEN SNAKES, RAT SNAKES, AND WE ALSO HAVE RATTLESNAKES AND CORAL SNAKES ON OUR PROPERTIES, NOT JUST OURS, SURROUNDING, EXCUSE ME, FOR THIS REASON. AND OTHERS THAT WE HAVE LISTED ON OUR PETITION, WHICH I HAVE TODAY. UM, I OPPOSE REZONING 74 0 6 WILD EAGLE TO R 20 TO NOT EXPOSE THESE CHILDREN. AND I HAVE PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO JUST HAND IT TO THE, AROUND, HAND IT TO THE STAFF MEMBERS AND THEY CAN, I HAVE PICTURES, PROJECT THEM OF THE PROPERTY. AND, UM, ALSO I TOOK AT LENGTH TIME TO LOOK OVER THE SAS REPORT. AND, UM, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL DOING THIS. UM, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CONCERNED ME WAS, UM, AND THE DEVELOPMENT DESCRIPTION AND THE SITE EVALUATION. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INSTALL A 610 SQUARE FOOT CURVED ONE WAY DRIVEWAY. WELL, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, BUT THAT WAS ALREADY DONE. ON PAGE TWO OF THE REPORT, IT SAYS THAT A WATER POLLUTION ABATEMENT PLAN. THANK, THANK YOU MS. WRIGHT. THAT IS YOUR TIME. OKAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. OKAY. ACTUALLY, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THOUGH, WOULD YOU POSE YOUR QUESTION AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN ASK IT. YOU SAID YOU HAD A QUESTION. OH, MAY I ASK IF THAT PLAN HAS BEEN DONE? 'CAUSE THIS SAYS IT'S REQUIRED. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, ERNEST ZA. HELLO, MY NAME IS ERNEST ZA. I LIVE AT 74 14 WILD EAGLE. ME AND MY WIFE BEEN THERE 52 YEARS. WHEN WE BOUGHT OVER THERE, WE WERE ABOUT 10 MILES BEYOND THE SAN ANTONIO CITY LIMITS. THE PROPERTY ALONG 1604 WAS SET UP FOR COMMERCIAL USE. THE REST WAS FOR RESIDENTIAL. IF YOU WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE, YOU HAD TO MEET CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE AREA AND YOU HAD TO HAVE SO MUCH BRICK OR, OR ROCK ON YOUR OUTSIDE EXTERIOR. I THINK THE PERCENTAGE VARIES, DEPENDS WHERE YOU BUILD. SO WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, SO WE MOVE THREE BLOCKS BACK UP THE HILL ON WALL EAGLE, CLEAR THE, THE BRUSH AND THE ROCKS AND THE CERS. AND I BUILT A CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND MY BACKYARD. MOST OF THE PROPERTY AROUND US AT THE TIME WAS ALL BRUSH. AND THEN UNDER THE FENCE, I PUT A CONCRETE PAD UNDER THERE, WHICH WHEN I GOT THROUGH THE HOUSE WHERE I CUT OFF THE FENCE, I EXTENDED IT ALL THE WAY TO THE STREET ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THAT'S THE ONLY MARKING RIGHT THERE BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. AND IT'S, IT'S FLAT WITH THE SURFACE, SO IT'S NOT A HUMP. THE, THE OWNERS THAT PREVIOUSLY OWNED THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, THEY MOVED IN THERE ABOUT 10 YEARS [01:30:01] LATER AND THEY PUT A DRIVEWAY, ASPHALT DRIVEWAY, AND THEY PUT THE ASPHALT ALL THE WAY TO OUR PROPERTY. AND IT WASN'T THERE FOR PARKING, IT WAS FOR CONVENIENCE TO GO IN THEIR GARAGE BECAUSE THE GARAGE ENTRANCE WAS FROM THE SIDE, NOT FROM THE STREET. AND, AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN THERE, UH, ALL THESE YEARS. UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS NOW THEY'VE ADDED THE SEMICIRCLE OF DRIVEWAY. WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE CREST OF THE HILL. THE, THE WATER PART OF IT WOULD GO DOWN TO OAK GROVE. PART OF IT WOULD GO DOWN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HILL. WELL, WHEN THEY OPEN THE NEW DRIVEWAY, A LOT OF THAT WATER'S GONNA COME IN AND IT ALL COMES IN OUR FRONT YARD. THERE'S NO BARRIER TO STOP THE WATER. IT'S ALL COMING IN OUR FRONT YARD. IT GOES AROUND OUR HOUSE AND IT GOES TO MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME. SO THE, LIKE I SAY, THE PARKING AREA WASN'T DESIGNED FOR PARKING. AND WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION WORK, THEY WERE ALREADY BACKING INTO MY YARD. SO THIS IS GONNA CONTINUE, I'M SURE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HERE THAT LIVES IN A NICE RESIDENTIAL AREA WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PARKING LOT NEXT DOOR IN THE FRONT YARD. AND THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I WANNA SAY. OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COVERED THE OTHER SUBJECTS. AND I, I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. THANK, THANK YOU SIR. HENRY WRIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS HENRY WRIGHT. I LIVE AT 7 3 3 1 SHADY HOLLOW LANE, WHICH IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF THE, OF THE 74 0 6 WILD EAGLE ADDRESS. UM, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, FOR REZONING. I'VE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 17 YEARS. WE HAVE ENJOYED THE SERENITY OF A PEACEFUL AND QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY OUR BACKYARD ANY TIME OF THE DAY WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY WITHOUT CONCERNS OF INVASION OF PRIVACY OR DISTRACTION OF NOISE. WE OFTENTIMES CONDUCT BUSINESS AND PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS, PHONE CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE ON OUR PATIO, WHICH IS IN VOL FULL VIEW OF 74 0 6 WILD EAGLE. UH, EVEN SO, UH, MORE NOW SINCE THEY'VE CLEARED THE LOT, UH, PRETTY MUCH IN THE BACKYARD, QUITE A BIT OVER 75%. UH, PHONE CONVERSATIONS AND VISITING IN GENERAL ARE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE WITH THE OUTSIDE NOISE GENERATED BY THIS OPERATION. WE HAVE IN GENERAL INVESTED A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT, UH, IMPROVING OUR PROPERTY FOR NOT ONLY THE ENJOYMENT OF IT, BUT ALSO FOR THE INVESTMENT RETURN ON OUR MONEY IF WE DECIDE TO SELL OUR PROPERTY. AND A POTENTIAL BUYER HAS SHOWN THE PROPERTY WITH THE EXPOSURE OF A CHILDCARE CENTER, OUR MARKET VALUE HAS BEEN DECREASED BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF THIS CHILDCARE BUSINESS. THE ADDITIONAL NOISE GENERATED BY THIS BUSINESS AND THE INTERRUPTION OF PRIVACY WITH THE OPENNESS OF A FOUR FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE, THE FOREFOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE IS ON THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, CREATES AN OPENNESS THAT CREATES A FEELING OF EXPANSIVENESS OF COUNTRY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE FEEL THAT THE PLEASANT ASPECTS OF LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE BEING ENCROACHED UPON WITH THE OPENING OF A DAYCARE CHILDCARE CENTER, WHICH IN MY OPINION IS A COMMERCIAL OPERATION THAT GENERATES A PROFIT AND IS NO LONGER USED AS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE, A HOUSE NOT BEING LIVED IN BY THE OWNER. I ASK THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THESE CONCERNS AND ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO DATE IN THEIR DECISION IN THIS MATTER AND NOT TO REZONE 74 0 6 WILD EAGLE. AS WE FEEL THAT BY REZONING AND DIVERSIFYING THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD CREATE MORE ENCROACHMENT ONTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PRIVACY, PROPERTY VALUES, THE RESIDENTIAL FEEL OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. WRIGHT. JIM HARNISH. [01:35:14] I'M JIM HARNISH. I LIVE AT, UH, 7 7 5 51 WILD EAGLE. UH, I AM THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PAST PRESIDENT. UH, WHAT WAS STATED EARLIER THAT, UH, THERE WAS DIVISION ON THE, ON OUR BOARD AND THE ASSOCIATION IS NOT TAKING A STANCE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THIS ZONE CHANGE. UM, THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT HAVE BEEN WELL PRESENTED, BUT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, THAT THE CHOICE IS NOT A SCHOOL OR A DAY SCHOOL VERSUS NOTHING AT ALL. BUT THE CHOICES BETWEEN A SCHOOL WHICH IS ALREADY OPERATING, WHICH IS NOT UNDER THE CITY CONTROL EXCEPT FOR MAXIMUM OCCUPATION OCCUPANCY RATHER, OR A DAYCARE CENTER, WHICH WILL HAVE AN, THE APPLICANT'S MODEL, FEWER FAMILIES AND AND FEWER KIDS THAN WOULD BE POSSIBLE WITH A OUTRIGHT SCHOOL KINDERGARTEN THROUGH THIRD OR WHATEVER. UM, SO THE CHOICE IS NOT ONE OR THE OTHER. BUT THIS DISTINCTION I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THOUGH, TO THE, THE, THE, UH, THE PEOPLE AGAINST ITS, UM, UH, POINTS. UH, AND A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. UM, THE, UH, PROPERTY AS IT WAS BUILT IN 1979, IT WAS TWO, A LITTLE OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET IN IT AT THAT TIME. THERE WERE TWO TOILETS AND A, A A, UH, UM, SEPTIC TANK THAT SUPPLIED FOR TWO TOILETS. UH, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW EITHER A SCHOOL OR EVEN A DAY, UH, DAYCARE CENTER WITH A SCHOOL CAN GET BY WITH TWO TOILETS. UH HA IS THAT INFORMATION CORRECT OR IS IT THERE ARE MORE TOILETS? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. UH, SO, UM, UH, THIS, THIS, THIS IS WEIRD , UH, AND THAT CAN, THAT, UH, I KNEW, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD, UH, PROBABLY BE NEEDED SOON. UH, AND THAT'S A MAJOR EXPENSE, SO I POINT THOSE OUT AS, AS A, AS THOSE ARE THE ARGUMENTS YOU'VE HEARD 'EM AGAINST YET THE ARGUMENT FOR IS IT'S NOT A CHOICE BETWEEN A NOTHING AND A SCHOOL OR A, IF THE CHOICES BETWEEN A SCHOOL WHICH IS EXISTING AND CAN CONTINUE, BUT MORE REGULATION WOULD BE PROVIDED WITH AND FEWER TRAFFIC WITH, UH, WITH, UH, A DAYCARE CENTER ADDED. THOSE ARE MY REMARKS. THANK YOU MR. HARNISH. TWO MORE, SIR. UM, BOTH OF WHICH ARE VOICEMAILS VERY WELL. IF WE COULD PLAY THE VOICEMAILS PLEASE. HELLO, THIS IS LAWRENCE MORRIS FROM 74 15 WILD EAGLE STREET IN HILLSDALE'S NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M IN OPPOSITION OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY 74 0 6 CASE NUMBER 1 9 8 SS BEING REZONED, BE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS DAYCARE CENTER. I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE THAT STREET IS VERY CURVY, LIMITED SITE, LIMITED VISIBILITY DUE TO ALL THE OVERGROWTH OF THE NATURAL TREES. IT'S A 30 FOOT WIDE STREET. THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS. IT'S THE HEAVIEST TRAFFIC STREET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WAS TOLD UP TO 30 OR 40 STUDENTS WILL BE THERE EVERY DAY, COMING IN AND OUT IN THE MORNING, COMING IN AND OUT IN THE AFTERNOON. VERY DANGEROUS TO PEDESTRIANS. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THE FACT THAT IT IS A BUSINESS, NO ONE'S GONNA BE LIVING THERE. NO ONE WILL BE THERE AT NIGHT. NO ONE'S GONNA BE THERE FROM FRIDAY TO MONDAY. THAT GIVES STEVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE. ALSO, I DO NOT WANT THAT TO IMPACT MY PROPERTY VALUE. MY HOUSE WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE NEXT TO BUILDING, I MEAN, NOT BUSINESS, SORRY. AND I'M, I'M AFRAID IT'S GONNA IMPACT EVERYONE AROUND THEIR PROPERTY VALUE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND ATTENTION. UH, JUST FOR [01:40:01] THE RECORD, UH, JIM HARNISH HAD CALLED ONE N AND SO HE WAS HERE IN ATTENDANCE. WE WILL NOT BE PLAYING THAT ONE, BUT MY NAME IS ROBERTA ETTE. I'M CALLING FROM 1 5 8 2 3 OAK GROVE DRIVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 709-3448 AND I'M CALLING ABOUT CASE NUMBER 1 0 7 0 0 1 9 8. I'M CALLING ABOUT THIS, UH, BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE, UH, THIS PROPERTY SITS AT THE END OF MY PROPERTY, BUT MY CONCERN IS NOISE AND A LACK OF PRIVACY. UH, UM, WE NOW EXPERIENCE THIS ON OUR PROPERTY. THERE'S NO FENCING OTHER THAN A CHAIN LINK. AND WE FEEL LIKE IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS NEXT TO OUR HOME, IT SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BACK OF THE BUSINESS SO THAT ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE THERE, UM, DON'T HAVE TO EXPERIENCE A CHILDCARE EVERY DAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. ESCALANTE. THE, SORRY, JUST KIDDING. THIS TIME. . ALRIGHT, MS. BISETTA. UM, REBUTTAL, PLEASE. OKAY. SO ALL OUR VALID CONCERNS. I KNOW THAT, AND I AM COMMITTED TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH EVERYBODY. SO THESE THINGS WORK, BUT AGAIN, THE DAYCARE IS, IS IS THE DAYCARE VERSUS THE SCHOOL IS NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE. BUT IF I HAVE THE DAYCARE, IT'S, WELL, I'M SORRY. IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IT WILL BE BETTER. I'LL BE MORE REGULATED IN THE CAPACITY OF THE STUDENTS. UM, AGAIN, DAYCARES AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE BOTH BUSINESSES. UM, THAT'S ANOTHER POLITICAL STORY. HOPEFULLY WE CAN BECOME NON-PROFIT. I THINK THE IDEA IS TO DO RESEARCH, TO DO CREATE PRACTICES, AND TO DO AN ONLINE PLATFORM. SO WE INTEND TO STAY, UH, SMALL. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE OUTDOOR SPACE. THE ONLY THING THAT WE DID WAS CLEAN BECAUSE IT WAS VERY, UH, DANGEROUS FOR THE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO NOT SEE BETWEEN BUSHES AND EVERYTHING. BUT THE TREES ARE STAYING, WE'RE ACTUALLY AN OUTDOOR SCHOOL. SO OUR KIDS WILL BE OUTDOOR, UH, MOST OF THE TIME. UH, THE PARKING SPACE, UH, YES, WE ARE REQUIRED BY SIX SPOTS IF WE'RE AT DAYCARE, IF WE'RE A SCHOOL, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED FOR ANYTHING. UM, SO, UM, ALSO THE DRIVEWAY, YES, WE DID HAVE PERMITS AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE OPERATING AS A SCHOOL. SO WE DID IT THROUGH THE SCHOOL. UM, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THE FENCE AND THE LACK OF PRIVACY. SO I DON'T MIND IF I NEED TO LIKE BUILD A WOOD FENCE SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE THEIR PRIVACY. AND ALSO SO PEOPLE DON'T CONTINUE TAKING PICTURES OF THE KIDS 'CAUSE THAT IS NOT SAFE ALSO FOR US. SO I WOULD DO THAT. I WAS WAITING FOR WHAT HAPPENS HERE BECAUSE I INVESTED SO MUCH MONEY ALREADY, UH, MAKING ACCOMMODATIONS BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T WANNA, I, I WANNA, UM, WALK THE TALK AND I'M PREACHING THAT WE WANNA CREATE BETTER COMMUNITIES. SO I'M COMMITTED TO BE THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT I'M IN. UH, WE HAVE AN ALARM SYSTEM IN TERMS OF SECURITY AND ABOUT THE TOILETS, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE TWO TOILETS. UM, TEXAS LICENSING MINIMUM STANDARDS REQUIRE, UM, 17 KIDS PER ONE TOILET BECAUSE HALF OF OUR KIDS USE DIAPERS. SO I THINK THAT'S IT, UNLESS THERE'S A QUESTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. BISETTA. UH, PRIOR TO GOING TO QUESTIONS, I AM GONNA ASK TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS. SO WE WILL STAND IN RECESS FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE MINUTES TILL, UH, HOPEFULLY AROUND 2 49. THE TIME IS 2 44 AND WE ARE IN RECESS. UM, THE TIME IS 2 52 AND THIS MEETING OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS BACK IN SESSION. AND, UH, WE HAVE COMPLETED, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER, UH, SEVEN. AND WE ARE NOW GOING TO DR FOR QUESTIONS. 'CAUSE THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I'M GOING TO START WITH SAWS JUST TO CLEAN UP A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, IN YOUR REPORT YOU REFERRED TO A PROPOSED DRIVE, BUT THAT APPARENTLY IT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT. WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? NOW? CAN CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT? NO, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THEY HAD SUBMITTED, UH, AN ENGINEERED, UH, SITE PLAN SHOWING THAT PROPOSED, UH, DRIVEWAY, UH, ONE WAY DRIVEWAY. AND SO WITH THEIR IMPERVIOUS COVER CALCULATIONS WITH THE ADDITION OF THE DRIVEWAY, THEY'RE AT 19.35% IMPERVIOUS COVER. UH, AND SINCE THEY'RE BELOW 20% IMPERVIOUS COVER, THE, THE STATE, THE [01:45:01] TEXAS COMMISSION ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY DOES NOT REQUIRE A WATER POLLUTION ABATEMENT PLAN FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT'S BELOW 20%. SO THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO SUBMIT A WATER POLLUTION ABATEMENT PLAN. OKAY. THAT WAS GONNA BE MY SECOND QUESTION THEN. SO THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE W P A P HAS NOT WOULD BE REQUIRED. IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED. RIGHT. UH, MOST OF OUR SAWS REVIEWS, IT'S TYPICALLY FOR PROJECTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED. AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST REMOVED THAT PORTION THAT SAYS THE WATER POLLUTION ABATEMENT PLAN'S REQUIRED. UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, I KIND OF OVERLOOKED THAT. SO, YEAH. AND, AND MY LAST, JUST KIND OF A BROAD QUESTION MM-HMM. , UH, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND I THINK IT, THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO REVIEW THIS FOR EVERYBODY. WHEN, WHEN SAS REVIEWS THESE REQUESTS FOR ZONING CHANGE AND YOU SAY APPROVAL, YOU'RE NOT GOING INTO STAFF LANE ABOUT SAYING, WE BELIEVE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE. YOU'RE SIMPLY SAYING THIS LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE IN REGARD TO AQUIFER PROTECTION, RIGHT? YES. YEAH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TYP IN OUR, IN OURS REVIEW, IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WHERE WE'RE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THE IMPERVIOUS COVER. DOES IT MEET THE WATER QUALITY ORDINANCE? UH, IS THERE ANY SENSITIVE FEATURES ON SITE THAT COULD BE IMPACTED OR WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREA? AND, UH, IF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER DOES, WE REQUIRE, UH, WATER POLLUTION ABATEMENT PLAN TO TREAT STORMWATER RUNOFF, UH, THEN WE WILL, WE WILL ADD THAT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. AND, UM, ALSO TOO, IF, IF A PARTICULAR ZONING CASE, YOU KNOW, HAS A FLOODPLAIN IN IT, THEN WE MAY ADD ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR A FLOODPLAIN BUFFER. BUT, UH, SINCE THIS SITE DOESN'T HAVE FLOODPLAIN OR SENSITIVE FEATURES, WE, WE DIDN'T, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE IT FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. AND THEN TO STAFF, BECAUSE I THINK THE, THE REALLY IMPORTANT THING HERE IS, UM, THE, THE CURRENT ALLOWANCE OF A SCHOOL. AND THAT'S BECAUSE SCHOOLS ARE ALLOWED IN ALL SORTS OF ZONING CATEGORIES. UM, SO CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE A HOME AND YOU'RE AN R SIX, LIKE THIS ONE IS, AND YOU WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT ALLOWANCE IN THE ZONING CODE TO RUN A SCHOOL, WHAT ELSE GOVERNS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT SCHOOL? LIKE, IN OTHER WORDS, HOW MANY STUDENTS CAN OCCUPY THE HOME AT ANY GIVEN TIME? OR HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? AND IF YOU COULD TELL ME SPECIFICALLY HOW MANY STUDENTS COULD OCCUPY THIS PARTICULAR HOME IN A SCHOOL THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WE'RE PULLING UP THE INFOR, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE, UH, TOTAL NUMBER OCCUPANCY FOR THIS STRUCTURE. BUT AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, SO SCHOOLS ARE ALLOWED, ARE PERMITTED BY, RIGHT IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS, EXCEPT FOR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, SOMEONE TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY WHEN OPENING UP A SCHOOL IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. SO THERE'S NOT THAT REQUIREMENT SOMEONE CAN CHOOSE TO BE LIVING IN, IN A HOME AND THEN ALSO OPEN A SCHOOL WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF OPENING A SCHOOL, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, OUR BUILDING REVIEW PROCESS IN ORDER TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. PART OF THAT PROCESS INCLUDES, UH, REVIEWING FOR COMPLIANCE WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE FIRE, UH, ACCESS, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE, UH, APPROPRIATE, UM, SIGNS FOR, UM, EXITS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THEY'LL GO THROUGH THAT REVIEW PROCESS. THAT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ALSO WILL CARRY THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY, UH, LIMITATION. THEY'LL BE CLASSIFIED IN A CERTAIN OCCUPANCY GROUP. AND THEN THAT WILL DETERMINE, THAT WILL HELP TO DETERMINE THE FORMULA THAT IT'S USED IN ORDER TO GET THAT MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY LIMITATION. AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED EVERYTHING. I'M STILL TRYING TO GET THE, THE TOTAL NUMBER FOR THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE. WELL TIED TO THAT. SO THAT'S THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE LOOK AT. SCHOOLS ARE ALSO GOING TO BE, UM, REGULATED BY, IF IT'S A PUBLIC SCHOOL, STATE AGENCIES, IF IT'S A PRIVATE SCHOOL, A PRIVATE AGENCY. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR LIMITATIONS BASED, BASED ON TEACHER STUDENT RATIOS. SO THEY'LL HAVE TO, UH, COMPLY WITH THAT. WE DON'T OVERSEE THOSE REGULATIONS. THE STATE OR THAT PRIVATE AGENCY WILL DO THEIR INSPECTIONS TO MAKE SURE COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR REGULATIONS OR THEY PULL THEIR LICENSE. AND, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PATHS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THAT ARE, UH, DIFFERENT FROM JUST A TYPICAL BUSINESS. AND THEN, UM, WITH, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE? IF YOU HAVE A SCHOOL IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, IT'S GOING TO BE ACCORDING TO USE, [01:50:01] ACCORDING TO OUR CODE. UM, FOR A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, IT'S ONE SPACE, UH, FOR EVERY FOUR STUDENTS. SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S JUST OUR, OUR CODE DOESN'T SPECIFY A MINIMUM NUMBER, IT'S JUST ACCORDING TO USE. SO IT'S REVIEWED BASED ON, AGAIN, INCORPORATING THAT MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY, WHICH IS MAYBE YOUR MAXIMUM STUDENTS, MAXIMUM TEACHERS. SO LOOKING AT YOUR TEACHER STUDENT RATIO, 'CAUSE YOU'LL NEED A, A CAR OR A SPACE IN ORDER TO PARK THAT CAR FOR THAT STUDENT, FOR THAT TEACHER. OKAY. AND THEN FINALLY, UM, IF WE GRANT THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE, THE DAYCARE OR WHATEVER WE'RE EXACTLY CALLING IT, THEN THAT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY THE RIGHT TO ALSO RUN A SCHOOL AT THE SAME TIME, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT DOES NOT. IT JUST PLACES A, AN LIKE, LET'S SAY THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION. IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT ARE TIED TO THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS, THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT. AND BY DE FACTO, THAT'S ALSO GOING TO AFFECT THE SCHOOL AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL PART OF THE SAME PROPERTY. IF THE, IF THE CHILDCARE IS, UH, USE IS NOT APPROVED THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE SCHOOL STILL REMAINS INTACT. OKAY. BUT IF IT IS APPROVED, THEN THE SCHOOL REMAINS INTACT TOO? CORRECT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN MS. BERA, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU, PLEASE. UM, SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT IS THE CAPACITY RIGHT NOW FOR YOU TO RUN A SCHOOL? HOW MANY, BECAUSE YOU SAID IT'S UNLIMITED, BUT THE STAFF SEEMS TO BE SAYING IT'S NOT UNLIMITED. IT'S SO, IT'S HARD TO FIND. RIGHT. UM, WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT BASED ON THE SCHOOL OF THE AGE OF THE KIDS THAT I WANT TO HAVE UNTIL SECOND GRADE, IT'S SIMILAR THAN THE DAYCARE. SO IT'S 30 SQUARE FEET PER CHILD FOR BOTH, UH, FOR YOUNGER KIDS WILL BE LESS FOR SCHOOLS. BUT FOR DAYCARES WE'LL STAY AT 30 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT, UH, I WILL BE MORE REGULATED IN TERMS OF CAPACITY FOR DAYCARE ALSO. UM, ALTHOUGH I WOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE AS A SCHOOL AND AS A DAYCARE, THE DAY THE, THE CHILD CHILDCARE MINIMUM STANDARDS WILL NOT ALLOW ME TO HAVE THE TWO, THEY WILL REGULATE ALL OF IT TOGETHER. SO THEY WILL REGULATE MY ELEMENTARY CLASSROOMS. WE ALREADY HAVE THE LICENSE FOR THAT. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THE ELEMENTARY CLASSROOMS AND ALSO ADD THE DAYCARE? SO THE ELEMENTARY CLASSROOM THAT I HAVE IS A MIXED AGE CLASSROOM THAT HAS KINDER TO SECOND AND WILL BE REGULATED BY THE TEXAS CHILDCARE LICENSING. WE ARE ALREADY REGULATED BY THEM, SO THE ONLY THING THAT I WILL DO IS BRING TWO MORE CLASSROOMS WITH TODDLERS AND PRESCHOOLERS INSTEAD OF FILLING THE THREE CLASSROOMS WITH K TWO SECOND. OKAY. UM, SO HOW MANY STUDENTS DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IN YOUR SCHOOL? RIGHT NOW I ONLY, UM, HAVE THE 12 STUDENTS THAT ARE IN THAT K TWO SECOND GRADE, UH, UM, CLASSROOM BECAUSE I'M WAITING FOR THIS. 'CAUSE I HAVE ALL THE OTHER KIDS ENROLLED THAT ARE SIBLINGS. AND BECAUSE I MADE A PROMISE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO ABOUT I'M GONNA OPERATE AT HALF CAPACITY AND BECAUSE IF I DO THIS, I WILL BE ABLE TO BRING LESS FAMILIES. UH, IF I AM NOT APPROVED AS A DAYCARE, THEN I WILL NEED TO LIKE FILL THE OTHER TWO CLASSROOMS AS A SCHOOL. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO RIGHT NOW YOU'RE NOT AT THE CAPACITY YOU COULD BE. NO. AND IF YOU DON'T GET THIS, YOU WOULD GO TO THE CAPACITY? YOU COULD BE, BUT IF YOU DO GET THIS, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE ADDING STUDENTS? YES. THEY'LL JUST BE YOUNGER. YES. AND THEY'LL BE MORE HIGHLY REGULATED. YES. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. THE, THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS. UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, SO FOR THE SPECIFIC USE OR THE SPECIAL USE AUTHORIZATION, LIKE CONDITIONAL USE, WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS, YOU CAN SHOW THINGS ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THEN THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE TIED TO THOSE CONDITIONS FOR UNTIL THERE WAS ANOTHER REZONING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO SOMETHING LIKE A BUFFER YARD OR A PRIVACY FENCE OR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE SITE PLAN? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT SOMETHING ON YOUR SITE PLAN? YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING EARLIER THE, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY AND HOW THE, THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN CLEARED OUT A LITTLE BIT. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO PUT ON YOUR SITE PLAN TO PUT IN THE, THE PRIVACY FENCE SO THAT THEN, YOU KNOW, I, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, YOU'VE SAID THAT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA DO, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE YEAH. ANOTHER OPERATOR WOULD BE TIED TO THAT. OF COURSE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER REBUTTALS? YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. DO, DO THESE, [01:55:01] UM, DAYCARES AND SCHOOLS HAVE TO MEET FIRE REGULATIONS? I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE A FIRE CODE OF A LIMIT OF SO MANY PEOPLE INSIDE A BUILDING? YES. THAT'S ALL PART OF THE REVIEW FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR COMPLIANCE WITH NOT ONLY OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT ALSO BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODE. HOW OFTEN ARE THOSE, UM, FIRE INSPECTIONS DONE EVERY SIX MONTHS? I, I KNOW FOR SURE ANNUALLY WITH, WITH SCHOOLS. I'M NOT SURE HOW HOW MORE OFTEN THEY DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. RE BARTOS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS ON MY LEFT. OKAY. DR. ROME, I'M SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION 'CAUSE IT'S UNUSUAL THAT WE'RE GOING FROM R SIX TO R 20 AND THAT WOULD BE, SO THERE IS NO PLAN AMENDMENT REQUIRED, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SIPES AND THEN COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL WILL GO TO YOU. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. STAFF AND I'M KIND OF ASSUMING, OR YOU PROBABLY MAY NOT KNOW WHY, WHY IN ARE SCHOOLS ALLOWED BUT NOT DAYCARE? WHY DOES THE DAYCARE REQUIRE THE SS? OH, I GET THAT QUESTION ALL THE TIME. , . UH, SO SCHOOLS, AGAIN, YOU STARTED WITH YOUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. UH, THOSE ARE REGULATED BY STATE GOVERNMENT. SO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN ALMOST ALL DISTRICTS. UH, FOR OUR, FOR THE CITY, WE PERMIT 'EM IN ALMOST ALL EXCEPT FOR, UH, INDUSTRIAL. OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS FOLLOW THE SAME PATTERN IN OUR USE TABLE. AND SO BOTH SCHOOL PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ARE PERMITTED BY RIOT EXCEPT FOR INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, CHILDCARE, CHILD DAYCARE, UH, CENTERS. UM, THE TIME THAT IT WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE CODE, AND I WANNA SAY WAS PROBABLY WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE 1965 CODE, UM, THEY REQUIRED THE STATE ALLOWS UP TO SIX. SO THE CITY COMPLIES WITH THAT IN THAT YOU CAN HAVE UP TO SIX KIDS BY RIGHT THEN THE STATE CLASSIFIES DAYCARES IN DIFFERENT, UM, IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. WHETHER IT IS A FULL FLEDGED DAYCARE OF, UM, MORE THAN SIX CHILDREN UP TO A CERTAIN MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY BASED ON THE BUILDING, UH, FOR ALL DAY CARE OR, UH, YOU CAN HAVE A COMBINED APPROACH, A HYBRID APPROACH OF, UH, AFTERSCHOOL CARE AND ALL DAY CARE UP TO A MAXIMUM LIMITATION. AND SO OUR CODES COMPLY WITH THAT. AT THAT TIME WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED, COUNCIL FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE JUST TO HAVE A SECOND LOOK FOR DAYCARES, UM, BE, AND IT COULD BE JUST BASED ON WHERE THEY WERE LOCATED, UM, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE SAFE. THEY HAD SAFEGUARDS, THEY HAD CONDITIONS PLACED ON THEM. IT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE THAT'S DECADES OLD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. OKAY, QUESTION FOR STAFF. I NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK 'CAUSE I I AM CONFUSED. I I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF SCHOOLS ARE ALLOWED IN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT INDUSTRIAL. AND ACCORDING TO THE MATRIX, I SEE LICENSED AND OR REGISTERED CHILDCARES ARE EITHER A SPECIFIC USE OR PERMITTED IN R SIX. WHY ARE WE EVEN CHANGING THE ZONING AT THIS POINT AND NOT JUST DOING THAT? LEAVING IN R SIX? SO THERE'S MULTIPLE USES, UH, FOR CHILDCARE AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT, UM, SHE FITS FOR THAT DEFINITION. UM, LET ME GIMME A SECOND AND WE'LL PULL UP, UH, THAT, THAT USE, OKAY. IF THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS YOU, YOU HAVE, WE CAN ANSWER. I DO, I WANNA GET BACK TO THE MAXIMUM C OF O I WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MAXIMUM C OF O PER SCHOOL AND A MAXIMUM C OF O FOR A DATE LICENSED CHILDCARE FACILITY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OCCUP OCCUPANCY GROUP? YES. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO PULL, PULL THAT NUMBER, WHAT THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY IS. UH, FOR, BASED ON THAT BUILDING SIZE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA GO INTO THAT. UM, SO THERE YOU CAN PROPOSE A, A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STUDENTS IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE TO PUT MORE PLUMBING FIXTURES. SO YOU LOWER THE, YOU LOWER THE STUDENT RATIO, THERE'S LESS BATHROOMS THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE. SO THAT ALSO TIES INTO THAT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO TOILETS. WELL, TWO TOILETS WOULD ONLY SERVICE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STUDENTS. YOU WANNA DO MORE STUDENTS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE BATHROOM FACILITIES. MM-HMM. . SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL NUMBER FOR THIS. SHE'S ONLY APPROVED RIGHT NOW FOR 12. ONCE SHE GOES THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IF APPROVED, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVIEW BASED ON HOW MANY MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STUDENTS SHE WANTS TO PUT IN AND, UH, WHAT HER BUILDING, UH, LOOKS LIKE FOR [02:00:01] PLUMBING FIXTURES. THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT. WE'RE STILL PULLING UP THE OTHER INFORMATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. WELL, WELL, IT'S ANOTHER, IT'S ANOTHER ONE FOR YOU. SO , GO AHEAD. I CAN MULTITASK. SO, SO UM, SO THE QUESTION IS, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT, IT'S ALLOWED FOR UP TO SIX IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THEN FROM THAT IT CHANGES AND, AND WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT REZONING. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR TAKING THAT FROM A PRIVATE KIND OF MOM AND POP BABYSITTING THAT WE ALL GREW UP KNOWING VERSUS NOW THEY'RE TAKING IT TO AN ACTUAL COMMERCIAL BUSINESS? MAYBE REPHRASE THAT THE QUESTION AGAIN. JUST I'M TRYING TO, TO GET THE COMPARISON. OKAY. SO, SO BY RIGHT, I CAN KEEP UP TO SIX KIDS IN MY HOUSE AND BABYSIT THEM. BE CALL MYSELF CHILDCARE, BUT I'M, I'M LIMITED TO SIX. ONCE I DECIDE TO EXCEED THAT, I'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH REZONING AND EITHER IF I'M A SCHOOL AND I GET, I, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR ON THAT. BUT IF I WANNA CHANGE TO CHILDCARE AND GO ABOVE SIX, I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS TO GET THAT APPROVED CORRECT. IN ORDER TO GET THE OTHER CHECKS AND BALANCES GOING WITH THE STATE. UH, FOR SCHOOLS IT'S DIFFERENT CHILDCARE, THOSE ARE, WE'RE TALKING BECAUSE WE'RE CONVERTING BACK TO CHILDCARE, RIGHT? CHILDCARE CENTERS, YES. ONCE YOU GO ABOVE SIX, THEN YES, IT DOES TRIGGER REZONING, DEPE DEPENDING UPON WHAT DEFINITION THAT YOU MEET. SO A CHILDCARE HOME, THESE ARE DEFINITIONS BASED ON THE STATE. SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO PULL UP THE STATE DEFINITIONS. CHILDCARE HOME IS NOT THE SAME AS A TYPICAL LICENSED DAYCARE FACILITY. CHILDCARE HOME, I BELIEVE IS THE ONE WHERE THE, UM, THE CHILDREN, I THINK, I BELIEVE SOMEONE LIVES ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S A HOME, A CHILDCARE HOME. RIGHT. UM, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF SPECIALIZED SERVICES THAT NEED TO BE PROVIDED TO THOSE STUDENTS. UH, BUT I'M PULLING UP THE DEFINITION WHAT THAT CHILDCARE HOME IS IN THE STATE. OKAY. WELL THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. SHE, IT IT'S A SCHOOL AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT SHE'S CHANGING IT TO FIT HER BUSINESS NEEDS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO DO. MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS WHEN DO WE LOOK AT THESE CHANGES AND, AND SAY, WELL THIS CHANGE IS GONNA MAKE YOU NOW A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL BUSINESS NEVER REALLY BELONGS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL BLOCK. SO THIS IS THE PROCESS TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHY THERE IS A, A SPEC, A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION REQUIRED FOR THIS. THIS IS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT, TO LOOK AT THAT USE AND DETERMINE IS IT APPROPRIATE AT THIS, AT THIS SITE, AT THIS LOCATION. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWERS. THANKS. DO YOU WANNA GO TO OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I THINK THIS IS STILL ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY SIMPLE 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S BEEN ASKED BEFORE. UM, SO FOR DAYCARE OVER SIX YOU HAVE TO GET THE SS AND THAT'S PART OF THE REZONING PROCESS. IN THIS CASE WE'RE GOING TO R 20 SS BECAUSE THIS IS A RURAL ESTATE TIER PLAN AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO R 20. FROM R SIX. YES, CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. NAILED. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THESE PROPERTIES ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED. SO IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN, YOU NEED TO CHOOSE A ZONING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT CATEGORY. R 20 IS ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, WE'RE GONNA START OUR SECOND ROUND WHILE THOSE OTHER ISSUES ARE BEING RESEARCHED. SO, UH, SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. I KNOW COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UH, LET'S GO WITH COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO YOU DR. ROMERO. UM, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, , FORGET IT. I TAKE IT BACK. COMMISSIONER DR. ROME. . THIS MIGHT BE THE SAME QUESTION I HAD. UM, SO WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT, UM, THE CAPACITY. SO WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT THE APPLICANT FROM ADDING ONTO THE CURRENT STRUCTURE TO HAVE A HIGHER CAPACITY? BECAUSE I ASSUME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPACITY BASED ON THE STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, 30 SQUARE FOOT PER CHILD OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD PREVENT THAT HER FROM GOING IN AND BUILDING THE ENTIRE LOT? OKAY, SO TO ANSWER, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ANSWER, TWO PARTS, RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST ASSUME THAT THE UM, CHILDCARE COMPONENT IS NOT A FACTOR. IT'S A SCHOOL TODAY ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THAT DISTRICT, THEY'RE ALLOWED [02:05:01] TO ADD ON TO THE STRUCTURE. THEY HAVE TO MEET THE SAWS REQUIREMENTS AS WELL FOR IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITATION. UH, BUT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ADD ON TO THE STRUCTURE AS A SCHOOL ADDING ON TO THEIR OCCUPANCY, UH, CLASSIFICATION. UM, IF IT IS, LET'S JUST SAY IT IS APPROVED AS A CHILDCARE, UH, FACILITY. THE REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THAT IS A SITE PLAN COMPONENT. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE STRUCTURE ON THE SITE PLAN AND THERE'S A LIMITATION TO THAT STRUCTURE. IF, IF IT IS ADOPTED WITH THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE STRUCTURE AS IS TODAY, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT MAYBE 2100 SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAXED OUT AT 2100 SQUARE FEET AS PART OF THAT SITE PLAN. SO IF THEY WERE TO ADD ANY MORE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS AGAIN IN ORDER TO ADD ON FOR THE CHILDCARE, UH, COMPONENT. BECAUSE AGAIN, THE SITE PLAN AND THE, THE RESTRICTION ON THE, ON THE BUILDING SIZE IS RESTRICTED FROM THAT POINT ON. OKAY. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S A REZONING. THERE'S NOT, UNLIKE I D Z, WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MINOR MAJOR AMENDMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE AN ACTUAL REASON. IT'S A REZONING BECAUSE THEY'RE INCREASING THE GROSS FLOOR AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, DR. ROME? YES. UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE LICENSED CHILDCARE, IS THAT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN ANY ZONING CATEGORY OR IS IT S NO MATTER, EVEN IF YOU'RE IN COMMERCIAL OR I THINK IT'S STILL THERE ON IN RESIDENTIAL. IT'S ALL S ALL RIGHT, SO WE, AGAIN, WE HAVE SEVERAL USES. UM, SO A CHILDCARE DAYCARE CENTER REQUIRES A REZONING NO MATTER THE DISTRICT, UH, NO MATTER WHICH TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, A CHILDCARE, LICENSED CHILDCARE REQUIRES A REZONING AS WELL. AND NO MATTER WHAT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE IN, WHEN YOU GET TO THE CHILDCARE HOMES, UH, WHEN YOU GET TO, WELL, MY QUESTION IS JUST FOR THE ONE IN THIS CASE, WHICH IS IN THIS CASE, IT TRIGGERS A REZONING BECAUSE IT MEETS THAT DEFINITION. AND NOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION RELATED TO WHY NOT A CHILDCARE HOME, AGAIN, IT IT, IT GOES BACK TO HOW IT'S DEFINED IN THE STATE, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY CHAPTER 7 47. SO A CHILDCARE HOME IS BASICALLY A REGISTERED CHILDCARE HOME. AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A HOME WHERE SOMEONE LIVES ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE PROVIDING CARE, UH, FOR, UM, THE, FOR THE CHILDREN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE OF ANY RELATION. SO THINK OF GROUP DAYCARE HOMES, UM, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF, OF CHILDCARE HOMES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT BECAUSE AGAIN, ULTIMATELY IT'S A HOME. IT'S THEIR HOME. IT'S JUST THEY HAVE MORE CHILDREN THAT THEY NEED TO SUPERVISE. OKAY. I THINK THAT WAS COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL'S QUESTION. SORRY, I WAS INCORPORATING, I WAS TRYING TO ANSWER BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. NO, NO PROBLEM. BUT I, I JUST STILL WANNA FOCUS AGAIN ON, ON WHAT WE'RE, WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS LICENSED CHILDCARE. IS THAT ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS? YES, IT IS. UM, SO A DAYCARE CENTER, WHETHER IT'S CHILD AND OR ADULT CARE, IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN NC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL C ONE, C TWO, C THREE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, AND IT REQUIRES AN S IN, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU DR. ROME. UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS. TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTIONS OR JUST WAITING, WAITING ON YOUR ANSWERS. STILL WAITING ON MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY. I APOLOGIZE. I I STEPPED OVER YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, COULD YOU REPEAT? I SAID I'M STILL WAITING FOR MY ANSWERS TO THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, THE SCHOOL AND VERSUS THE LICENSED CHILDCARE FACILITY. OKAY. IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR A C F O FOR THE NUMBER, MAXIMUM NUMBER OF, UM, OCCUPANCY PERSONS, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE? SO FOR MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY, AGAIN, FOR THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S BASED ON, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT'S BASED ON, UH, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT THEY PROPOSED TO HAVE. AND USUALLY, AGAIN, UM, THE, YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. USUALLY YOU'RE GONNA DO LESS STUDENTS THAN THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA TRIGGER OTHER REQUIREMENTS LIKE PLUMBING FIXTURES. WE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE CHILDCARE, UH, USE VERSUS THE SCHOOL USE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S JUST A MATHEMATICAL [02:10:01] CALCULATION BASED ON, UH, THE, UH, A, A STRUCTURE SIZE, THE REGULATIONS RELATED TO HOW MANY STUDENTS THEY CAN HAVE AND, AND TEACHERS, IT'S GONNA BE REGULATED BY EITHER THE STATE OF PUBLIC OR THE ACCREDITED AGENCY IF IT'S PRIVATE. BUT THOSE STATE, THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET OUR LOCAL CODE REGARDING THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BE WITHIN THE STRUCTURE AT A TIME. CORRECT. AND THAT IS, THAT'S DETERMINED DURING THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY REVIEW. OKAY. SO WHAT DO THEY CURRENTLY HAVE? WHAT IS IS THEIR CURRENT C OF O OCCUPANCY LEVEL 12. OKAY. AND THEN IF THEY ARE PROVIDED WITH A SPECIFIC USE TO GO AND SHE'S SAYING 30 STUDENTS IS, DOES, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT EQUATES TO WHAT OUR C OF O IS BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE ISN'T CHANGING AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, THEN THE C OF O IS, IS REALLY STILL GONNA STAY AT 12. NO, IT WON'T BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TEMPORARY C OF O. SO AGAIN, A NUMBER OF FACTORS GO INTO IT, INCLUDING CLASSROOM SIZE, HOW MANY KIDS ARE UNDER SCHOOL AGE VERSUS OVER SCHOOL AGE. SO THOSE OCCUPANT LOADS WILL BE CALCULATED BASED ON THAT, THAT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED YET BECAUSE SHE STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE REVIEW AND AND APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE REZONING. OKAY. PLACEHOLDER. YEAH. RIGHT. NOW WHAT I'M NOT GONNA GET, I'M TRYING NOT GONNA GET THE ANSWER I WANT. I'M TRYING TO GET THE FIRE CODE. I, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS, BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING SIZE GOING TO BE A MAXIMUM NUMBER. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO. WHAT, BASED ON 2100 OR 2,400 BASED ON B C A, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE ALLOWED WITHIN THAT PROPERTY? AND WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS RIGHT NOW THE TEMPORARY C OF O SAYS THEY CAN HAVE 12 PEOPLE OR 12 STUDENTS, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. IF SHE GETS THIS AND SHE'S PUSHING TO GO TO 34 STUDENTS, OR I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF, IS OUR C O GOING TO ALLOW HER TO GO TO 34 STUDENTS BASED UPON 20, 2100 SQUARE FEET? I WOULD SAY THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN HOW MANY PLUMBING FIXTURES SHE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT MAXIMUM 34. MM-HMM. . SO LET'S JUST ASSUME, LET'S ASSUME THAT THE, UH, YOU ONLY NEED TWO BATHROOMS FOR 34 STUDENTS. I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S A CORRECT CALCULATION. MM-HMM. , UM, THEN HER MAXIMUM LOAD WOULD BE 34 PLUS ANY OF THE ADULTS. BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO STRAIGHT NUMBER. ALL THOSE OTHER FACTORS, DEPENDING UPON USE AS WELL AS CLASSROOM SIZE, THOSE ARE ALL, THOSE ALL PLAY INTO HOW YOU CLASSIFY IT IN A OCCUPANCY GROUP. SO WE CAN'T DETERMINE THAT UNTIL WE HAVE A FINAL SKETCH OR FLOOR PLAN SHOWING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. BUT SHE'S NOT GONNA DO THAT UNTIL SHE GETS HER REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS. WHAT WE DO KNOW, UM, IS, UH, BASED ON THE RATIOS IS THAT IT WILL BE LESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE TEACHERS FOR YOUNGER STUDENTS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE DO KNOW TODAY. OKAY. UM, AND, AND JUST AGAIN, JUST FOR RECORD, TRYING TO CLARIFY. SO THIS SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION RUNS WITH THE LAND. IF SHE DECIDES TO SELL THE HOUSE AND SCHOOL AS A BUSINESS TO SOME OTHER INVESTOR, THEY JUST COME IN AND, AND EVERYTHING TRANSFERS OVER? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE SAME OTHER CONDITIONS OR THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. OKAY. DOES IT JUST THAT SPECIFIC USE DOESN'T REVERT BACK THEN TO JUST AN R 20 USE? NO, IT DOES NOT. IT CARRIES WITH THE LAND. OKAY. JUST WANNA GET THAT ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ALRIGHT. UH, IN THAT CASE, WE ARE GOING BACK TO DR. ROMERO FOR MOTION AND DISCUSSION, DR. ROMERO. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA TRY AND MAKE THIS QUICK 'CAUSE YOU'RE ALL BEEN PATIENT WITH ME TODAY. BUT, UH, JUST TO SAY THIS IS ANOTHER REALLY SPECIAL PART OF DISTRICT EIGHT IN THE ENTIRE CITY, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD OF HILLS AND DALES, IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE, YOU SHOULD DRIVE THROUGH IT. UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, WHAT MS. BERA HAS DONE. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS A REALLY LONG TIME AND YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU CAN. AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES THAT WHAT YOU WANNA DO IS, IS A GOOD THING. BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS CHANGE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY AND TRY AND CUT THROUGH A LOT OF THE CONFUSION FOR MY JUSTIFICATION. , YOU KNOW, IT, IT IT IS WHAT IT IS THAT SCHOOLS ARE PERMITTED IN EVERY DISTRICT AND IT ENDS UP HAVING THESE STRANGE COMPLICATIONS. AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE VERY DIFFICULT CHOICES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, IS [02:15:01] IT IT, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT SHE HAS NOW AND, AND WHAT WE COULD HAVE WITH THE CHANGE? AND I KNOW THAT MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT JUSTIFIES ADDING. AND THIS IS THE, THE CORE OF WHAT I'M THINKING HERE IS THAT IT ADDS A USE TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT IS A BUSINESS. AND, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT ABOUT WHERE IT'S ALLOWED BY WRIGHT. IT'S ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. AND SO WE CAN ARGUE ALL DAY ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS A, A BUSINESS OR NOT A BUSINESS. BUT TO ME THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT FACT IS THAT IT IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. AND TO ME, THAT'S THE CODE TELLING US THAT IT SEES IT AS A, AS A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE. IT'S TRUE THAT SUBSTANTIVELY IT PROBABLY DOESN'T LOOK ALL THAT DIFFERENT FROM A SCHOOL. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. AND I, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST HOW THE CODE IS WRITTEN. UM, THE FACT THAT THERE'S SO MANY UNKNOWNS, IT, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE STAFF DOESN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, IT HAS TO PLAY OUT. IT HAS TO WORK ITSELF OUT. AND SO THE VERY FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW A LOT OF WHAT WOULD CHANGE IF WE ALLOWED, THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY I'M NOT, UM, GOING TO SUPPORT THIS CHANGE. UM, I AM NOT THRILLED ABOUT CHANGING IT TO R 20 EITHER. I I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING IT. AND NORMALLY I WOULD LOVE IT IF SOMEBODY WAS CHANGING FROM R SIX TO R 20 IN DISTRICT EIGHT. 'CAUSE WE DON'T SEE THAT VERY OFTEN. BUT THIS IS AN R SIX NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE PLAN, WHICH SEEMS STRANGE TO ME. BUT EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE PLAN, WE'RE WE'RE CHANGING SOMETHING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ALMOST ENTIRELY R SIX AND, AND JUST CHANGING, CHANGING THE ZONING CATEGORY, UH, FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE PLAN. AND THEN MY LAST REASON, AND YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP IN OTHER SIMILAR CASES IN OTHER DISTRICTS IS THE LOCATION AND, AND THE SAFETY ISSUES. I WAS OUT THERE ON SATURDAY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS NOT A DAY WITH A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND I DIDN'T FEEL SAFE. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS EVEN ANY PLACE WHERE I COULD SLOW DOWN ON THAT ROAD, LET ALONE STOP. UH, IT IS, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS OR CURBS. IT'S, IT'S VERY RURAL, IT'S VERY NARROW AND THE VISIBILITY IS TERRIBLE ALL ACROSS THIS ROAD, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COME OUT TO BABCOCK. UM, SO AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THEN THE ARGUMENT COULD BE, WELL THEY'RE ALREADY DOING IT, BUT IT'S, I JUST CAN'T SEE ADDING ONTO THIS EVEN MORE. SO I CAN CLARIFY IF ANYBODY WANTS. BUT, UH, FOR DISTRICT, FOR CASE NUMBER SEVEN, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REQUEST. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM DR. ROMERO. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCDANIEL. OKAY. THERE IS A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UM, I DEFINITELY RESPECT EVERYTHING THAT DR. ROMERO HAS TO SAY, AND I CAN DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE. UM, HOWEVER, I'M NOT SURE IF I'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER BUSINESSES THAT DO OPERATE, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL SUCH AS, UM, NURSING FACILITIES, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BEDS, BED AND BREAKFASTS. UM, AND ALSO I, I LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE A CHURCH THAT'S ABOUT THREE BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE THAT OPERATES LAUREL HEIGHTS WEEKDAY SCHOOL. AND, UM, THERE'S ABOUT 140 KIDS THAT ATTEND THAT. IT'S A DAYCARE. UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, I THINK IN, IN THAT INSTANCE, I, I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT BUSINESSES CAN BE NEIGHBORS TOO. IT'S PROBABLY WEIRD COMING FROM YOU GUYS. UM, , BUT, BUT THEY CAN BE NEIGHBORS TOO. AND, AND LAUREL HEIGHTS WEEKDAY SCHOOL HOSTS THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HOLDS THEIR MEETINGS THERE. THEY HAVE, UH, TRICK OR TREATING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS. SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT A BUSINESS CAN BRING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE, ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE NEIGHBORS. AND I CAN SAY THAT AS A, AS A RESIDENT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND, AND WE HAVE A PEDESTRIAN NEIGHBORHOOD. I WALK MY KIDS TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY AND I HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CARS COMING TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF KIDS. UM, BUT IT'S STILL IS DONE. IT WAS DONE IN A WAY THAT WAS SAFE. AND, UM, AND, AND THERE AREN'T ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. SO I THINK THERE ARE, THERE IS A CIRCUMSTANCE, MAYBE NOT THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, UM, I'M STILL UNDECIDED ON THIS CASE, BUT I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT, THAT THAT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK THAT BUSINESSES SHOULD BE TOTALLY [02:20:01] PRECLUDED FROM OPERATING WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. COMMISSIONER WHITE. I JUST WANT TO ECHO COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S SENTIMENTS. UM, ALSO THIS LOOKS LIKE TO ME, UNLESS I'M MISUNDERSTANDING, UM, MORE REGULATION, LESS KIDS, UH, I THINK STAFF'S LOOKED AT THIS AND HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL. UM, I AGREE WITH STAFF AND SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING, UH, THE MOTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. WHITE COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. I WANNA HAVE A LAST WORD. OF COURSE. COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SIPES. ALRIGHT, SO THIS MAY COME ACROSS AS HYPOCRITICAL, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. UM, SO, UH, I LIVE IN AN OLD TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE OLD 1920S, 19 HUNDREDS AND STUFF. WE HAVE, AND, AND MY KIDS DID ATTEND A SCHOOL VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, FROM PRE-K THROUGH ELEMENTARY, HOWEVER, IN MY OPINION, IN THAT SCHOOL WAS THERE FROM ALMOST THE INCEPTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT WAS KIND OF, IT SEEMED, IT WAS INITIALLY PLANNED TO BE LIKE THAT, WHEREAS IN, IN THIS CASE, I'M GONNA SUPPORT, UM, COMMISSIONER ROMERO'S MOTION BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, THIS WASN'T IN THE INITIAL PLAN. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE INTRODUCING SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK. IF THIS WAS ON THE CORNER, IT'D BE KIND OF A DIFFERENT CASE PERHAPS. AND SO EVEN THOUGH I, I, YOU KNOW, I I I I SEE THE, I SEE THE CONCERN OVER IN THIS CASE, LOCATING IT WHERE IT'S AT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES COMMISSIONER'S ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. SO, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVEN'T DRIVEN THIS AREA, IT IS ANOTHER GEM. IT'S VERY RURAL. THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS, THERE ARE NO CURVES. UM, THESE ARE VERY HUY UP AND DOWN LITTLE STREET STREETS. AND BY THE WAY, THEY'RE VERY NARROW STREETS. I CALL IT A LANE AND A HALF. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TECHNICAL TERM IS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT. UM, HAVING WORKED IN THE DISTRICT AID OFFICE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I CAN TELL YOU THIS COMMUNITY WAS IMPACTED BY A UNKNOWN BUT MUCH RAPID EXPANSION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S SCHOOL. AND THEY WENT FROM 200 AND SOMETHING STUDENTS UP TO A LITTLE OVER 900. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DRIVE THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WENDY, THEY ARE PICKING UP THEIR CHILDREN. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MY HESITANCY IN SUPPORTING ANYTHING ELSE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT. THERE ARE NO BOND PROJECTS TO HELP WITH TRAFFIC OR DRAINAGE OR ANYTHING IN THAT COMMUNITY. UM, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. THE SECOND THING IS, IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL HOME. WE'RE NOT TALKING A MOM AND POP WHO WANTED TO RAISE FIVE OR SIX KIDS, HELP KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS FOR WORKING MOMS AND NEIGHBORS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUSINESS WOMAN. AND, AND NO FAULT TO HER, BUT SHE SELECTED A PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND INTENDED TO MAKE IT A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. AND I WILL NOT SUPPORT A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET. I FEEL THAT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE AND THAT'S ALWAYS MY ARGUMENT. UM, AND SO THAT'S MY POSITION ON IT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. I WANTED TO SHARE SOME THOUGHTS 'CAUSE I CERTAINLY SEE BOTH SIDES HERE. AND MS. BISETTA, I RESPECT AND PRAISE, UH, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. AND IT BRINGS ME NO PLEASURE, UH, 'CAUSE I WILL END UP SUPPORTING DR. ROME METAL'S MOTION, UH, TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. UM, BUT IT GIVES ME NO PLEASURE BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED AS A COMMUNITY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REQUIRE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY RUNNING THIS KIND OF DAYCARE. UM, THAT THERE IS SOME STRAINED DISTINCTION BETWEEN DAYCARE AND SCHOOL IS SILLY TO ME. BUT OUR JOB AS A RECOMMENDING BODY IS NOT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. UH, THAT IS A POLICY DECISION TO BE MADE BY CITY COUNCIL. UH, IT'S BEYOND US HERE. UH, WITH RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S POINTS, I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT POINTS. I KNOW LAUREL HEIGHTS, UM, IS A DAYCARE THAT I ATTENDED, UM, AND IS A GREAT DAYCARE, BUT THAT'S A VERY DISTINCT NEIGHBORHOOD FROM WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE ALONG WILD EAGLE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS WITH RELUCTANCE THAT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS [02:25:01] MOTION. BUT GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, GIVEN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL POINTED OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY TO DO IT, BUT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, DR. ROMEO, LAST WORD. OKAY, THANKS. JUST REAL QUICK, A FEW THINGS. UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE LESS KIDS AT THE SCHOOL. I, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH CONFUSION ABOUT IT. AND THE BEST ANSWER I HEARD IS THAT THERE MIGHT BE MORE, BUT THERE IT WAS JUST AN UNKNOWN. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT BUSINESS CAN BE NEIGHBOR, BUSINESSES CAN BE NEIGHBORS TOO. AND THEY DO HAVE THIS CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE SCHOOL. THEY ALREADY HAVE THIS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS VERY, VERY LARGE. THEY ALSO HAVE HILLS AND DALES, THE BAR, UH, THEY HAVE ARGOS, CAES, THEY HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT THIS IS A VERY, VERY RURAL STREET. I WOULDN'T EVEN DESCRIBE IT AS PEDESTRIAN. AS A PEDESTRIAN NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO SEE A HORSE THAN A PERSON ON THIS STREET. UH, SO THIS, YOU KNOW, YES, BUSINESSES CAN BE NEIGHBORS TOO, BUT NOT THIS BUSINESS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M, I'M DESCRIBING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS CERTAINLY AS WELL AS THE, THE RESIDENTS DID IT. IT IS JUST A REAL GEM FOR, FOR THE CITY. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT MEANS NO BUSINESS CAN EVER COME IN HERE, BUT FOR THIS ONE, IT, IT IS A CLOSE CALL FOR ME. AND AGAIN, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING THIS FOR MONTHS. I, I KNOW THAT. UM, BUT YEAH, I STAND BY MY, BY MY MOTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THERE IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL FROM DR. ROMERO WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER BARROS? NO. COMMISSIONER. GREAT. UH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES AS DENIAL. AND AGAIN, MS. SMITH SAID, I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU KNOW, GOOD LUCK TO YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, IF WE CAN MOVE [12. ZONING CASE Z202110700210 CD (Council District 6)] ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OF OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING. I BELIEVE IT'S ITEM NUMBER 12. STAFF. THANK YOU SIR. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A REQUEST TO RE ZONE FROM C TWO R SIX AND R SIX CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS, TWO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR WAREHOUSING ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. THIS IS LOCATED AT, UM, 10 0 2, 10 14, 10 34 SOUTHWEST 39TH STREET, AND 26 31 AND 26 39 CASTROVILLE ROAD. THERE WERE 34 NOTICES MAILED ZERO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ZERO RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. LOS HAINA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IS, IS IN SUPPORT AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM WESTWOOD SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE EXISTING C TWO AND R SIX OR APPROPRIATE ZONINGS FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR WAREHOUSING WILL BE ENCROACHING INTO AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. A WAREHOUSE USE IS TYPICALLY PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND IS MORE INTENSE IN NATURE. C THREE USES ARE NOT INTENDED TO ABUT RESIDENTIAL USES AS A BASIC PLANNING PRINCIPLE DUE TO POTENTIAL ADVERSE EFFECTS SUCH AS HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC, NOISE AND OTHER SIMILAR NUISANCES. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN. UH, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. UM, GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU AGAIN. THIS IS MY FIRST IN-PERSON MEETING AND I'M THE LAST ONE. BUT, UH, SO IT, IT'S INTERESTING THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDED DENIAL. IT KIND OF CAUGHT ME SURPRISE BY SURPRISE. THE SECTOR PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA IS GENERAL URBAN TIER, WHICH ALLOWS VERY INTENSE USES. I'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH LOS ES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WESTWOOD SQUARE ACROSS THE STREET. UM, THEY'RE IN SUPPORT BECAUSE THE, THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY, NO, WHICH BUTTON DO I PUSH FOR IS, UH, QUALITY [02:30:01] METAL ROOFING. THEY'VE BEEN LOCATED RIGHT HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND THEY'VE BEEN A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR. NOW I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S CONCERN ABOUT COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP CLOSELY, ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE CDS, ESPECIALLY TO THE NORTH. NOW TO THE NORTH. THE CDS ARE PRIMARILY FOR MULTIPLE UNITS. THE CDS OVER HERE ARE FOR COMMERCIAL USES. THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE IS LIKE AN AUTO REPAIR BUSINESS. I DID BLOCK WALK. UM, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, THEIR BIG CONCERN WAS HAVING SIX ACRES OF VACANT LAND IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SOMEBODY WAS GONNA COME IN AND PUT IN A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX. THEY DID NOT WANT A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX. THEY WERE MUCH HAPPIER TO HAVE A BUSINESS LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY. AND THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CHURCH RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS VICTORY OUTREACH CHURCH. SO THEY ARE IMMEDIATE, THEY'RE THE OTHER NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND OF COURSE THEY'RE IN SUPPORT. THEY'D PURCHASED THE PROPERTY YEARS AGO WITH THE INTENT OF BUILDING A LARGE CHURCH ON THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY'VE DECIDED TO BUILD THEIR, THEIR LARGE CHURCH IN ANOTHER PROPERTY. SO THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A BUYER FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR SOME TIME. SO, LIKE I SAID, I DID MEET WITH LOS HARD DINIS. THEY ARE IN SUPPORT. THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR FOR THEM. I DON'T FEEL IT'S COMMERCIAL ENC, COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENTS. IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND IN THE AREA, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHRISTENSEN. UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL. OKAY. IF WE COULD PLAY THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE. THIS IS RUBEN REYES FROM 26 15 AND 26 11 CASTRO ROAD. I AM SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND FOR MY MOM, ESPERANZA CI REYES. WE ARE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST NEIGHBORS IN CASE NUMBER Z DASH 2021 DASH TEN SEVEN ZERO ZERO TWO ONE ZERO C D. OUR PHONE NUMBER IS TWO 10. AREA CODE 9 1 3 48 0 2 2 10. AREA CODE 9 1 3 48 0 2. UH, WE DO NOT WANT ANY TOXIC AND OR HAZARDOUS MATERIAL TO BE DISTRIBUTED, MANUFACTURED AND OR STORED AT THE ADDRESSES OF THE CHECK OF THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. UH, FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, PLEASE UH, CALL US BACK. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. OKAY. MR. CHRISTENSEN, DO YOU WANT SOME REBUTTAL TO THAT? UM, I WOULD JUST STATE THAT, UH, WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS. IT'S A ROOFING COMPANY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOCATED, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. THEY WANNA KEEP THIS LOCATION AND BUILD ADDITIONAL SPACE OVER HERE. AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE BEEN GOOD NEIGHBORS FOR YEARS. AND I HOPE YOU SUPPORT MY REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHRISTENSEN. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT SIX CASE, SO COMMISSIONER HUEY TO YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, MR. CHRISTENSEN, CAN YOU COME BACK ABOUT FOR SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND STAFF? CAN YOU BRING UP THE, UH, SITE PLAN PLEASE? SO MR. CHRISTENSEN, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS THAT IS PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT? YES. SO, I MEAN TO, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF INCREASED TRAFFIC ON 39TH STREET, WE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED THE SITE PLANTS SO THAT ALL OF OUR IN AND OUT TRAFFIC WOULD COME OFF OF CASTORVILLE ROAD, WHICH IS A FOUR LANE ROADWAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL USES ACROSS THE STREET. WE DO NOT FEEL WOULD HAVE A BIG TRAFFIC IMPACT. AND HIS INTENT IS, OF COURSE TO USE THE LARGE WAREHOUSE AND THEN THE SMALLER WAREHOUSES TO LEASE THOSE OUT TO SORT OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION TRADES, CONTRACTORS TYPE OF SMALLER BUSINESSES. UM, OPERATIONS, UH, DAYS OF OPERATION, HOURS OF OPERATION. THEY'RE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, UH, EIGHT TO FIVE. SOMETIMES THE, THE, THE ROOFER GUYS WILL COME IN JUST A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT IT'S NEVER VERY LATE. SIX O'CLOCK AT THE LATEST. LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS OF THEIR CURRENT BUSINESS. OKAY. UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A HOUSE TO BE DEMOLISHED IN YOUR PLANT. YES. IS IT ALL CURRENTLY OCCUPIED? NO. SO THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE SITE AT THE VERY NORTH THAT'S OWNED BY THE CHURCH AND THE PASTOR WAS LIVING THERE, THEY WERE GONNA REMODEL IT, THEN THEY PUT THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT. SO THEY WILL DEMOLISH THAT, THAT HOUSE. AND IT'S NOT AN OLD HOUSE, IT'S AN, IT'S A NEWER HOUSE THAT THEY BUILT, THE CHURCH BUILT ON THE PROPERTY. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA GO AND OPEN THIS UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UH, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? YES. UH, MR. CHRISTENSEN, COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP AGAIN? MASK IS KILLING. YES. . UH, COULD YOU PLEASE EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT DID NOT SEND IN A LETTER? I BELIEVE IT WAS WESTWOOD SQUARE. YEAH, THEY, THEY DID NOT SEND A LETTER 'CAUSE THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET. THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS. I MEAN, TECHNICALLY THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED WITHIN LOS HARENA, BUT THEY DID ATTEND ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT I HAD AT THEIR REQUEST. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WATSON. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. PATRICK, [02:35:01] A QUESTION FOR YOU. PLEASE. CAN YOU JUST GO OVER AGAIN WHAT'S GOING TO BE STORED IN THE FACILITY? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ROOFERS, BUT I MEAN, I'M THINKING, I DON'T KNOW ANY TAR BASE KIND OF CHEMICALS OR WHATEVER FOR APPLICATIONS AND NO, THEY'RE METAL ROOFING. I MEAN, SO THEY, THEY DO METAL ROOFING. IT'S THE, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN 'EM IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ROLL UP WITH A, UH, A PICKUP TRUCK WITH A, WITH THE, UM, THE FIVE WHEEL TRAILER WITH A BIG GIANT ROLL OF METAL AND THEY SPOOL THAT OUT AND THEY CUT IT AS THEY GO ON THE ROOF. SO IT'S NOT A ASPHALT, TAR BASED TYPE OF ROOFING COMPANY. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT FOR THE ONE PERSON WHO WAS WORRIED ABOUT WHAT YOU'D BE STORING. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER HUEY FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY THE STAFF AND, UH, BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS AND WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, THE, THE GREAT WORK THAT THE, UH, LOS LOS ENA UH, NEIGHBORS ASSOCIATION DID. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS, UH, REZONING REQUEST. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 12. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. UH, WHO WAS SECOND? UH, OKAY. , WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER WATSON. COMMISSIONER WHITE. IT'S HER FIRST MEETING. . ALRIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER HUEY AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER WATSON. UM, DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER'S ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER'S ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL VOTE. THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER HUEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. COMMISSIONER WE AYE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIT? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BUSTO AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. STAFF, IF WE CAN [17. ZONING CASE Z202110700217 (Council District 2)] MOVE ON TO THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEM, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ITEM NUMBER 17. UM, OUR FINAL ITEM, ITEM 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO R THREE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1431 EAST CROCKETT STREET. THERE WERE 33 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM DITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR, UH, JEFFERSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE PROPOSED R THREE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA AS IS THE EXISTING R FOUR. THE APPLICANT SEEKS THIS REZONING IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, SORRY, EXCUSE ME. UH, COULDN'T SEE IT AND I DIDN'T HAVE TO COVER MY MOUTH 'CAUSE I WAS WEARING A MASK. UM, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, SIR. OKAY. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND UH, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR REZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU. HI EVERYONE. UM, ISABEL, ANO 1431 EAST CROCKETT. UH, WE'RE HERE JUST TO, OH, SORRY TO PUT A NEW HOME ON, ON THIS PROPERTY. WE ARE, UM, FIXING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE OTHER PART OF IT. UH, WE'RE DOING A WHOLE REMODEL ON IT. UH, THE OWNER WANTS TO KEEP HIS PROPERTY, HE WANTS TO BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, BETTER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE SEE THE OTHER SIDE. WE ALREADY CLEARED IT OUT. I DON'T THINK IT WAS SHOWING ON THERE. I THINK IT WAS STILL KIND OF MESSED UP IN THERE, BUT WE WENT IN THERE AND WE CUT ALL THE TREES AND EVERYTHING. ALREADY CLEANED IT UP AND THERE IS A SIGN OUT THERE WITH THE ZONING ALREADY. MM, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. ANA. PARDON ME? EXCUSE ME. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES. NO SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE. SO THIS WILL BE COMMISSIONER WATSON'S FIRST CASE. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. SORRY, I NEVER SPEAK IN FRONT OF ANYBODY. IT'S LIKE . GO AHEAD MAN. CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE A LITTLE BIT, UM, WHAT EFFORT, IF ANY YOU'VE MADE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THE PROPERTY AND GET FEEDBACK ON YOUR PLANS? UM, I TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, THEY'RE [02:40:01] TRYING TO FIX IT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. UH, WE DID GET SOME VEHICLES REMOVED FROM WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING AT. THEY JUST HAD 'EM A BANDAGE, SO, UM, WE, WHEN WE CLEANED IT UP, THEY TRIED TO PICK IT UP AND THEY WERE LIKE CLEANING UP TOO. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR ME. AND THEY'RE HAPPY TO HAVE A NEW HOME THERE AND HAVE NEW NEIGHBORS. I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF ONE OF THEM ARE, I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE. THEY LIVE THERE AND SOME OF THEM ARE RENTERS. SO THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT. IS THIS THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT THIS OWNER OWNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, HE HAS THREE MORE, BUT NOT IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WHAT HE BUYS IS, UM, HOUSES LIKE, LIKE THESE AND WE COME IN AND WE FIX 'EM UP TO LOOK VERY DECENT AND WE GET HIM, UH, NEW PLUMBING, NEW ELECTRICAL. EVERYTHING'S ALMOST NEW IN THE HOME BEFORE ANYBODY COMES BACK IN. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WATSON. UH, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMERS ON MY LEFT. DR. ROMERO, JUST FOR STAFF, SO I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. COULD, COULD A HOME NOT BE BUILT ON R FOUR? IS THE PLAN TO REPL THIS? THEY'RE RE PLATTING IT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION THAT WAS MISSING. OH, OKAY. ALL THANK YOU, . OKAY. THANK YOU DR. ROMERO. UM, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. THAT WAS IT. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER WATSON, BACK TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND A MOTION. UH, ABSOLUTELY. UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, IN DISTRICT TWO WHEN THERE IS AN EXISTING LOT IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, WHEN IT'S BEEN REPLIED, IT TENDS TO LEAD TO MORE EXPENSIVE DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH DOES HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES. HENCE MY HESITATION AND MY QUESTIONS. UM, IN THIS CASE, I HAVE, UH, LESS CONCERNS SINCE IT'S AN INDEPENDENT DEVELOPER THAN I WOULD IF IT WERE A, UM, DIFFERENT KIND OF SITE PLAN OR DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO I RECOMMEND THIS FOR APPROVAL. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER WATSON. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. UH, COMMISSIONER FUENTES IS THE SECOND. UM, DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER'S ON MY LEFT. NONE. COMMISSIONER'S ON MY RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ALRIGHT. UM, SEEING NO DISCUSSION, THERE IS A, UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 17 BY COMMISSIONER WATSON WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIT? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT IS THE END OF OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. WE DO [19. Consideration and Approval of the September 7, 2021 Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes.] HAVE ONE MORE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS? SUBSTITUTIONS? ADDITIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION ON ITEM 21. UM, AND I, I BELIEVE THERE WAS, THERE WAS, UH, A CONDITION FOR NO OUTSIDE AMPLIFICATION ON THAT ONE BECAUSE I REMEMBER THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ON THAT THAT DID NOT PRECLUDE ALARM SYSTEMS, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS. OKAY. WELL THEN I, I JUST ASKED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T SEE IT LISTED AS THAT WAS. OKAY. WE'LL GET THAT ADDED. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS IT. OKAY. ANY OTHER ADDITIONS? CORRECTIONS. SEEING NONE. UM, IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS CORRECTED? UM, MOTION TO APPROVE AS CORRECTED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS CORRECTED BY COMMISSIONER S SIPES WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARDOS. UH, WE WILL DO THIS BY ACCLIMATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? AYE. NAYYY. ALRIGHT. HEARING NO NAYS? UH, THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS CORRECTED IS CARRIED AND THE MINUTES ARE ORDERED. I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW. I'M RUNNING OUT OF STEAM. UM, ALRIGHT. IS THERE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT. WE HAVE ANOTHER NEW EMPLOYEE, SO IF DAINA CAN STAND UP SO WE CAN EM EMBARRASS HER A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS DAINA, UM, KOS AND SHE, UH, HAS JOINED [02:45:01] US THIS COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SO WELCOME. AND I, I WAS REMISS I FORGOT TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW COMMISSIONER. SO, TO THIS EMPTY ROOM, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE DISTRICT TWO STAFFER, WHO KNOWS COMMISSIONER WATSON ALREADY. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER WATSON, OUR NEW COMMISSIONER, SO I WILL TRY TO DO IT BETTER NEXT TIME. ALRIGHT. UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE TIME IS 3 53 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.