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          I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN 
          [Roll Call]
REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 6TH, 2021. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH HERE. 
          SINA. 
          HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ HERE. 
          SO MARAN. 
          HERE, GROUP. 
          HERE. 
          ZER. 
          HERE. 
          THE PHONE. 
          HEY, HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT FROM INTERPRETER SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. 
          INTERPRET. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, PLEASE? 
          [Chairman’s Statement]
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF ANY OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. 
          THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT RECORD INTERPRETER SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. 
          IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL CASES ON THE AGENDA, APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. 
          AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, FIRST WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT, UM, REGARDING STAFF. 
          WE DO HAVE A NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST, HANNAH LEHNER. 
          SHE'S WAVING, UM, HAS JOINED US. 
          OH YEAH. 
          ROUND OF APPLAUSE, . 
          AND SO YOU'LL BE SEEING HER HERE AT THE H C R C. 
          SHE'S, SHE'LL BE ONE OF OUR NEW CASE MANAGERS. 
          UM, THE FIRST ITEM OF 
          [Approval of Minutes]
BUSINESS IS, UH, H C R C MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 15TH. 
          WE'RE GONNA START MOVING THOSE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARINGS, AND SO WE'LL NEED A MOTION IN ACTION ON THAT ITEM. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 15TH. 
          SECOND SEPTEMBER 15TH. 
          SORRY. 
          SEPTEMBER 15TH. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? AYE. 
          ANY COMMENTS? STEVE? I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE JUST BEEN LATE, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE OPPOSED. 
          NO, I SAID AYE. 
          SORRY FOR THE DELAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WAS UNANIMOUS. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UM, JUST A NOTE FOR ALL ITEMS. UM, ITEM 14 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. 
          UM, ITEM 26 2 23 WEST AGARITA HAS ALSO BEEN WITHDRAWN ALONG WITH 27 4 21 BELL NAP AND 33 0 2 FUR DRIVE. 
          THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. 
          UM, IF YOU DID OR IF YOU DID SEND COMMENTS FOR THOSE CASES, UM, WE WILL NOT PLAY THEM BECAUSE THE ITEM WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, SO WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS ON A CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ALSO, A REMINDER TO CHECK YOUR COMMISSIONER PACKETS FOR ANY LETTERS. 
          YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE LETTERS FOR ITEMS FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN. 
          UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'LL PROCEED WITH VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS, UH, FIVE AND SEVEN. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL 
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REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OUR PRESIDENT, DREA GARZA AND THE MONTICELLO PARK ASSOCIATION BOARD, OUR ADDRESS IS POST OFFICE BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          REGARDING H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 22. 
          LOCATED AT 2043 WEST SUMMIT, WE OFFER THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT, THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, N P N A, APPRECIATES HOMEOWNERS WHO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY AND HOME. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F, AND APPRECIATE THE STIPULATIONS FOR SALVAGE AND RETENTION OF WOOD SIDING, DOORS AND WOOD WINDOWS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING OUR COMMENTS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          I AM LULU FRANCOIS, AND I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN IN DITY HILL. 
          AND ON BEHALF OF THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS, THANK YOU FOR CON CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS ON H D R C. 
          CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 63 ADDRESS, NORTH PALMETTO R O W. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS. 
          THIS LARGE PROJECT HAS RECEIVED OBVIOUS ATTENTION FROM STAFF. 
          WE RESPECT AND THANK STAFF FOR THE TIME AND EXPERIENCE GIVEN TO ENSURE THE APRONS, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER FLAT SCAPE WORK TO BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          MANY TIMES BETWEEN APPROVAL AND SHOVEL, A PROJECT IS REDESIGNED BY WELL-INTENTIONED CONTRACTORS. 
          WITH THAT IN MIND, WE REALIZE MONITORING THIS PROJECT WILL ALSO CONSUME GREAT AMOUNT OF STAFF'S RESOURCES AND THANKS STAFF IN ADVANCE FOR THE DEDICATION TO PRESERVING OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'LL FURTHER NOTE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON. 
          UM, SO AFTER HEARING PUBLIC COMMENTS, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS FROM CONSENT FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION? NO. 
          JUST A QUESTION HERE. 
          CORY. 
          THEIR LETTER FOR 2043 WEST SUMMIT IS NOT IN THE FOLDER. 
          JUST I SEE IT'S IN SUPPORT. 
          JUST MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE IN OUR FOLDERS. 
          WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THAT ONE. 
          THAT ONE WAS PLAYED FOR 2043. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT SAYS YOU HAVE A LETTER AS WELL. 
          I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE. 
          YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE CASSETTE AGENDA ITEM ONE THROUGH, SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THIS MICROPHONE. 
          YEAH, THEY'LL, THEY'LL PLAY WITH THE VOLUME, UH, WHILE WE GO. 
          AND SO I WOULD JUST PUSH THROUGH AND THEN HE WILL FIX IT IN THE BACK. 
          I'M GONNA USE THIS ONE. 
          IS THIS BETTER? OKAY. 
          UH, MOVE TO APPROVAL. 
          ITEM ONE THROUGH 13 AND 15 THROUGH 17. 
          SECOND HAVE A MOTION IS SECOND. 
          UH, CLARIFICATION. 
          IS THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? SORRY? WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE SECOND CONCURS? YES. 
          YES, THE MOTION IS SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. 
          SABINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ZER AYE. 
          UNE AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 34 YUCCA 1502 BUENA VISTA 9 0 3 LABOR 2 23 SOUTH ALAMO 2043 WEST SUMMIT, 7 25 EAST GUNTHER, UH, NORTH PALM, UH, EXCUSE ME, NORTH PALMETTO RIGHT OF WAY, FOUR 30 EAST MYRTLE TWO 16 LAVACCA 3 27 WEST COMMERCE 3 0 1 ALAMO PLAZA 1 78. 
          THE RAIN TWO 14 WEST RUSSELL 3 23 DEVINE, 3 0 4 EAST TRAVIS AND FOUR 20 BROADWAY. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU NO LONGER NEED TO BE, UH, LOGGED INTO THE WEBEX HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THOSE APPLICANTS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          UH, WE APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, SUPPORT OF, UH, THAT PRESERVATION EFFORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          GIVE US JUST A SECOND TO GET READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM. 
          AND WE DO HAVE, UH, MELISSA, UM, I'M, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I'M GONNA SAY YOUR NAME WRONG, REWA? YES, THAT'S GOOD. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 
          [18. Address/Description: 114 PARKVIEW DR HDRC Case No.: 2021472 Historic District Name: Mission RIO District: RIO4 Applicant: HMI Homes, LLC Request: Fenestration modifications, cover siding, porch construction, front door replacement City Council Dist.: 3]
H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 
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DASH 4 72 1 1 4 PARKVIEW DRIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO COVER THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING WITH FOUR INCH DUTCH LAP SIDING. 
          REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOW AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH A WOOD WINDOW AND CLOSES THREE EXISTING WINDOWS ON AN EXISTING REAR ADDITION, ENLARGE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR OPENING AND REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR AND REMOVE THE EXISTING METAL AWNING ABOVE THE FRONT PORCH AND CONSTRUCT A NEW WOODEN FRONT PORCH. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE EXISTING HISTORIC WOOD SIDING BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH FOUR-INCH DUTCH LAP SIDING VERSUS BEING COVERED WITH NEW SIDING THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES STAFF WITH PRODUCT SPECIFICATION OF THE PROPOSED W WOOD WINDOW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE C O A, THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT DOOR BE WOOD TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THAT THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BE NO THICKER THAN SIX INCHES SQUARE FEATURED CHAMFORD CORNERS AND TOP AND BOTTOM TRIM. 
          THE APPLICANT, UM, WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY, UM, ADDRESS, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER ONE, UM, REGARDING THE COVERING OF THE SIDING. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          YOU MAY PROCEED. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS MELISSA REGAS. 
          AND AGAIN, UM, AS KATIE, UH, STATED, WE DO AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, BY THE, UM, O H P UH, STAFF FOR TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE. 
          UM, MY POSITION FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE REGARDING THE SIDING IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE THREE, UH, DIFFERENT STAGES OF SIDING. 
          IN THE PICTURES YOU'LL SEE A, B, AND C ALL, UM, I'M GOING TO SAY A WAS THE ORIGINAL B WAS ADDED ON AFTER, AND THEN C IS PRETTY CURRENT. 
          AND WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THERE, THAT WE'RE BEING ALLOWED TO, UH, REPL TO ADD THE, UM, FOUR INCH DUTCH LAP WOOD SIDING. 
          BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THE EXISTING SIDING FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. 
          SO, BECAUSE THE, THE, UH, SIDINGS WERE ADDED AT DIFFERENT STAGES OR AT DIFFERENT TIMES, IF WE REMOVE A AND B AND LEAVE C, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCONSISTENT, UM, PROFILE FROM THE STREET VIEW. 
          SO THE 35% OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS, UM, UH, SECTION C IS GOING TO BE JUTTING OUT VERSUS THE FIRST TWO PARTS OF THE HOUSE, THE OTHER 65% OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND THE OTHER REASON IS THAT THERE ARE, UM, VINYL WINDOWS THAT WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THAT WE'RE LEAVING AS IS. 
          AND IF WE HAVE TO REMOVE THAT SIDING THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THAT, UH, FIRST PICTURE, IF WE HAVE TO REMOVE SIDING A AND B, THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT GOING TO BE SITTING CORRECTLY. 
          UM, WITH THE NEW SIDING. 
          SO GOING DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THE EXISTING SIDING, THOSE WINDOWS WILL BE FLUSH AS THEY SHOULD WITH THE SIDING AND THE, THE APPEARANCE FROM THE STREET WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO, TO THE COMMUNITY AND ADD TO THE COMMUNITY TO THE, UM, TO THE APPEARANCE OF THE HOME. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, MR. CHAIR? I GOT A, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE WINDOW CURRENTLY IS ADHERED TO THE, OR ATTACHED TO THE STUDS, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE CONDITION IS. 
          YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO NOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT YOU'RE SIDING THE WAY THESE OLD HOUSES WERE DONE, RIGHT? THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE SIDING IS NOW KIND OF PROVIDING WHAT WOULD IN MORE MODERN TERMS BE YOUR SHEATHING, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. 
          AND THEN YOUR, NOW YOUR NEW SIDING IS DOING HOW THOSE WINDOWS ARE DESIGNED THESE DAYS TO HAVE THE SHEATHING AND THEN THE TYVEK AND THEN, AND THEN THE SIDING, RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF A, A, THAT'S THAT, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, THE WAY THAT YOU'RE GOING ABOUT IT, YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS ABOUT IT, BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IF YOU DO IT, LET'S JUST SAY THE PROPER WAY, RIGHT, YOU END UP REALLY REINFORCING THE WAY THESE HOUSES ARE DESIGNED, UH, WHERE THEY DIDN'T EVEN PUT BLACK PAPER BEHIND THE WOOD, SO CORRECT. 
          THEY, UM, BUT, BUT OF 
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COURSE, THEY WERE AT A TIME LOW, LOW, LOW INCOME HOUSES AND THEY, THEY BREATHED, THEY WERE ABOUT BREATHING, RIGHT? SO THE WOOD WOULDN'T ROT. 
          UH, BUT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL, UH, IS DIFFERENT. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GETS SUGGESTED IS THAT YOU TAKE A TWO BY FOUR MATERIAL AND YOU ROUTE IT DOWN, WHICH I, I, I SEE AS KIND OF, UM, UH, LIKE SAY YOU JUST REPLACE THE SIDING AND YOU HAD TO DEAL WITH THE GAP OF THE VINYL WINDOW, WHICH YOU END UP WITH IS THIS REAL ODD KINDA OBVIOUS NON ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL. 
          SO BY RAISING YOUR, YOUR LEVEL, I CAN SEE HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO MEET THE WINDOW AND THEN YOUR TRIM AND IT ALL LOOKS NORMAL. 
          UM, UM, SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS. 
          I, I, I WOULD THINK THAT YOUR SOLUTION IS NOT ONLY A GOOD SOLUTION, BUT IT, IT IS ALSO REALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE HOUSE ITSELF. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS. 
          BUH-BYE. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOW TERM. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THE, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, THE WINDOW TRIM IS GOING TO BE REPLACED ON TOP OF THE NEW LAYER OF SIDING, IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS THE NEW SIDING GOING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, THE TRIM WILL HAVE TO BE, BE FIXED, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT, IT, WE'RE NOT, THE NEW SIDING ISN'T GONNA TO JUST COME INTO THE SIDE OF ANY EXISTING TRIM. 
          THERE'LL BE NO CORRECT IN THE FACE. 
          NO. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I CONCUR WITH, UH, UH, PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER'S ASSESSMENT HERE, AND I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          WILL YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? I'M SORRY. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE ITEM REAL QUICK ON ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          OH, YES MA'AM. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          REGARDING THE FRONT DOOR, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS WITH A DOOR, UM, AT 36 BY 80 SIZE, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S UP TO 36 INCHES, UM, JUST IN CASE, UM, I HAVE TO FIND LIKE, LET'S SAY A 34 INCH, RIGHT? RIGHT NOW THE DOOR IS AT A 28 INCH AND THAT'S JUST TOO NARROW. 
          SO, AND WE ARE GOING TO, UM, GET APPROVAL BEFORE WE PURCHASE THE DOOR, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT'S, UH, LIES WITH THE, THE HISTORIC, UM, FACTORS THAT IT NEEDS. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT STUCK TO A 36 INCH WIDE DOOR, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          UH, IF I MIGHT, JUST IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT WOULD BE, UH, STAFF, UH, DIRECTION? I THINK THAT THE REAL CONSIDERATION, UH, IS THE DOOR DESIGN, BECAUSE IT, THEY STILL MAKE A PANEL DOOR THAT IS VERY, IN TERMS OF THE FRONT VIEW, REMINISCENT OF A PERIOD. 
          BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN A LOT OF REHAB, UH, JOBS IS THEY'RE USING A DOOR, LIKE THE DOOR THAT IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE, UH, ANY OPPOSITION TO, YOU KNOW, A DOOR LIKE THAT, BUT THE DOOR DOES, DOES STEP INTO A CRAFTSMAN, KIND OF A QUASI CRAFTSMAN LOOK. 
          AND IT, TO ME KIND OF CREATES A CONTRADICTION, ALTHOUGH THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE APPRECIATING, YOU KNOW, COMBINING AESTHETICS TODAY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE OLD AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM. 
          BUT, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SIZE OF THE DOOR IS, I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE DOOR COULD HAVE BEEN ANY SIZE, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN A SIMPLER, MORE PANELED STYLE DOOR, BUT NOT A DOOR THAT, THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THE, THE DOOR TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PICTURE. 
          UM, TO CLARIFY. 
          SO SIZE IS ONE THING, BUT THE PERS BUT THE LOOK OF THE DOOR, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ANYTHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          YES. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, UH, THE DOOR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN MY PACKAGE RIGHT THERE, UM, I DID WORK WITH STAFF AND THEY DID GIVE, UM, SUGGESTIONS FOR, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE ARE NOT GOING WITH THAT SPECIFIC DOOR. 
          UM, I DID, I WAS PROVIDED EXAMPLES. 
          AND SO I'M, I'M SOURCING THAT AND ALSO GOING TO, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED PARADISE PICKERS TO TRY AND FIND SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY HISTORIC, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS NOT, AGAIN, CORNERED INTO JUST GETTING SOMETHING 36 INCHES WIDE. 
          BUT YES, YOU'RE CORRECT THAT WHEN WE ARE NOT GETTING THAT SPECIFIC ONE THAT'S, UM, INCLUDED IN THE, IN THAT PICTURE, AND, UH, WE WILL GET SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, THAT SIGNIFIES MORE OF THE CONSERVATIVE, UM, FOR THE THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. 
          THEN. 
          THEN, MR. CHAIR, I'M, I'M MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          MR. I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE THE MOTION ALREADY, UH, BASED, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WITH STAFF THAT THEY'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH THAT WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE 
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SURE, MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN SAY SOMETHING. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND, UH, THE STIPULATION IS NOT ON THE SIZE, IT'S ON THE MATERIAL OF THE DOOR. 
          SO AS LONG AS THE APPLICANT IS ALSO CHOOSING A WOOD, THAT'S THE STIPULATION IS INDICATING, I THINK STAFF DOESN'T HAVE AN INCONVENIENCE ABOUT THE SIZE. 
          AND IF SO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, KNOWS THAT IF SHE GOES TO PICKERS PARADISE, I'M SURE YOU'LL FIND ALL WOOD, BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT POINT IS THAT THE MATERIAL, I, I THINK THE QUESTION FROM THE APPLICANT IS WHETHER IT HAS TO BE 36 EXACTLY. 
          OR IF IT CAN BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, OR IS 36 THE NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? MR. CHAIRMAN IS THE MAKER OF THE EMOTION. 
          I INTERPRET STAFF'S NOTES THERE TO BE BETWEEN THE EXISTING SIZE AND UP TO 36 IN WIDTH, BUT MATCHING THE EXISTING HEIGHT. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, AND, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, THE ONLY, UM, THE, THE STIPULATION DOESN'T SPELL OUT WHAT THE APPLICANT JUST TOLD US THAT THERE IS A STYLISTIC, UM, DISCUSSION GOING ON BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. 
          AND SOMEHOW I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT THERE COULD BE SOME GENERAL LANGUAGE IN THE MOTION THAT SAYS, UH, STYLE, UH, AS DIRECTED OR, OR CONSULTED WITH WHAT, WHATEVER THE PROPER LANGUAGE WOULD BE. 
          I THINK CORY WOULD PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN 'CAUSE THEY'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION. 
          BUT TO ME THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT. 
          'CAUSE THE SIZE CAN CHANGE. 
          WE KNOW IT'S WOOD, BUT, UM, THERE IS A PARTICULAR DIRECTION THAT I THINK STAFF SHOULD BE EMPOWERED BY THE MOTION TO GUIDE THIS APPLICANT IN A DIRECTION WHERE WHEN IT'S DONE IT, IT LOOKS RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT THE MATERIAL THAT'S GONNA BE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT IT NOT BEING THAT WHITE DOOR THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO COMMISSIONER FISH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT? THE DESIGN OF THE DOOR TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF? YEAH. 
          I'M HAPPY TO AMEND THE MOTION TO ADD A STIPULATION THAT THE DOOR SELECTION BE REVIEWED BY STAFF. 
          MR. CHAIR, I ALSO HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND OBSERVATIONS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, UM, DO YOU HAVE, I SEE IN THE PACKAGE WE HAVE A PORCH, A NEW PORCH COVERING AND COLUMNS. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DRAWINGS OR DIMENSION DRAWINGS OTHER THAN THE, UH, PHOTOSHOPPED MONTAGE? NO, WE HAVE NOT. 
          WE HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD WITH ANYTHING, NOT EVEN REMOVING THE EXISTING, UM, ALUMINUM MM-HMM. 
           PORCH THAT'S ON THERE. 
          UM, BUT WHEN WE WALKED TO THE PROPERTY WITH, UM, WITH O H P STAFF AND THEY DID POINT OUT SPECIFIC, UM, OTHER HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THE PHOTOSHOP THAT I WENT WITH WAS JUST IS, UH, THE OFFSET A LITTLE, UH, GABLE STYLE ROOF WITH THE POSTS. 
          UM, AND WE WERE PROVIDED SPECIFICS REGARDING THE POST WITH CHAMBERED CORNERS AND, UH, NO GREATER THAN SIX INCHES. 
          AND WE AGREED TO FOLLOW ALL OF THOSE STIPULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WOULD, UM, CAN I, UM, ENTERTAIN A, THE POSSIBILITY FOR A STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF TO, UM, DEVELOP A DIMENSION, DIMENSION DRAWING THAT IS, UH, BUILDABLE, THAT IT'S ACTUALLY SHOWING THE THICKNESS OF BEAMS, THE THICKNESS OF RAFTERS, ET CETERA. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO, STIPULATE THAT THE APPLICANT MEET WITH THE, UH, WITH STAFF? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER COMMISSIONER FISH? I'M NOT SURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN PROVIDE IN THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE DRAWINGS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH? YEAH, THE STIPULATION COULD JUST BE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MEASURED LINE DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR ISSUANCE OF A C O A. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WOULD HELP THE CONS, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION, THE OUTCOME OF THAT FRONT PORCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR. 
          CAN WE CLARIFY THE MOTION AND THE SECOND WHO MADE THE SECOND? I, I MADE THE SECOND. 
          IT WAS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ AND IT WAS WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, AMENDMENT THAT MR. FISH MADE REGARDING THE, THE DOOR MY UNDER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COMMISSIONER FISH, BUT THE MOTION WAS APPROVAL WITH STAFF FOR RECOMMENDATIONS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR AND TO ADD STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH, UH, STAFF ON THE DESIGN OF THE DOOR ITSELF AND PROVIDE DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW FOR THE PORCH CONSTRUCTION. 
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APOLOGIES, I COULDN'T UNMUTE THERE FOR A SECOND. 
          YES, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S THE MOTION. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SO, UH, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? FISH. 
          AYE EVERYBODY, UH, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. 
          UH, SINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          SUM? AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          LAO. 
          AYE. 
          AND ONE MORE TIME, FISH. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          AGENDA ITEM 
          [19. Address/Description: 419 N MESQUITE ST/419, 423, 427 N MESQUITE HDRC Case No.: 2021493 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Pegy Brimhall/Figurd Request: Construction of three, 2story residential structures and one, detached 2story accessory structure City Council Dist.: 2]
NUMBER 19, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 4 9 3 4 19 4 23, AND 4 27 NORTH MESQUITE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THREE, TWO-STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND ONE TWO-STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOTS AT 4 19, 4 23, AND 4 27 NORTH MESQUITE. 
          THESE LOTS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNA WHITTY HILL. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH Y WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE FRONT PORCH AND DOOR BE REORIENTED TOWARD. 
          DAWSON IS NOTED IN FINDING F TO THE APPLICANT. 
          CONTINUED TO EXPLORE MEASURES TO REDUCE THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IS NOTED IN FINDING I SUCH AS MODIFYING OPEN-END GABLED ROOFS TO CLIP GABLED ROOF TO CLIP GABLED ROOFS. 
          THREE, THAT THAT COMPOSITE SIDING FEATURE SMOOTH BOARDS AND THAT THAT AND THAT. 
          AND FEATURE A THICKNESS OF THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH, AN EXPOSURE OF FOUR INCHES. 
          COMPOSITE SIDING USED IN BOARD AND BATTEN PROFILE SHOULD FEATURE BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE AND BATTENS THAT ARE ONE AND A HALF INCH WIDE. 
          THE PROPOSED TO ENDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND A STANDARD GALVAO FINISH. 
          A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP MAY BE SUB, MAY BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE STIPULATION IS TO APPLY FOR ALL STRUCTURES, INCLUDING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          FOUR THAT WINDOWS BE INSTALLED, THAT ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS. 
          AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDINGS N AND U, THE STIPULATIONS TO APPLY FOR ALL STRUCTURES, INCLUDING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          FIVE, THAT ALL SQUARE FIXED WINDOWS ARE ELIMINATED AND REPLACE WITH LARGER WINDOWS THAT FEATURE A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE WITH OPERABLE SASHES, INCLUDING THOSE FOUND ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE FENESTRATION BE ADDED TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE'S. 
          BLANK FACADES AS NOTED IN FINDING S SIX AT THE PROPOSED FRONT WALKWAY BE POURED CONCRETE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT, AND THAT A WALKWAY BE ADDED ON DAWSON FOR THE NORTHERN CORNER STRUCTURE. 
          SEVEN, THAT FENCING NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT WITHIN THE FRONT YARD IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE, INCLUDING THE RECESSED PORCH. 
          PRI PRIVACY FENCING IS NOT TO EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          THERE'S ALSO TWO CASE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FOUNDATION INSPECTION AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT P PEGGY BRIMHALL IS HERE TO PRESENT. 
          PEGGY, CHECK YOUR, YOUR MUTING. 
          HI. 
          THANK YOU, ED. 
          UM, HELLO COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 
          UH, WE, UH, HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO STIPULATIONS 2, 3, 4, 6, AND SEVEN. 
          SO WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT STIPULATIONS ONE AND FIVE AND RECEIVE INPUT AND SUGGESTIONS FROM YOU, UH, REGARDING THOSE. 
          UM, ED, UH, STIPULATION ONE IS THE FRONT PORCH ISSUE. 
          OKAY, SO THAT ONE WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT IN OUR D R C UH, MEETING A WEEK AGO, AND TWO OF THE THREE COMMISSIONERS SEEM TO LIKE THE CURRENT STATE OF WHERE THE DOOR IS. 
          UH, AND ONE THOUGHT IT COULD BE MOVED. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THIS TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION, UH, SINCE WE KIND OF HAD A SPLIT, YOU KNOW, SPLIT VOTE THERE, UH, AND SEE WHAT YOU ALL THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, IT IS, UH, OKAY, THE, THE LEGAL ADDRESS OF THIS LOT FACES TOWARDS MESQUITE AND, UH, TWO OF THE THREE CORNER HOMES IN THAT AREA. 
          ONE IS OFF CORNER, IT'S NOT QUITE THE CORNER, BUT TWO OF THE THREE CLOSEST HOMES IN THAT AREA ALSO FACE MESQUITE. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE ADDING TO THE MAJORITY OF FACING MESQUITE. 
          HOWEVER, BECAUSE, UH, ONE OTHER HOME FACES IS DAWSON, UH, 
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THE STAFF SUGGESTS THAT WE ADD A DOOR TO THE DAWSON SIDE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, SO I THOUGHT, WELL, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS HOUSE A BIT MORE FUNCTIONAL. 
          UH, A AS YOU'RE WALKING FROM DAWSON, UH, YOU SEE THAT THERE IS A CAR, UM, A A CAR DRIVEWAY THERE, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN AWNING COVERING THIS, UH, UH, CAR DRIVEWAY, KIND OF LIKE A FLOATING CARPORT, UH, THAT IS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO THE BACK END OF THE HOUSE. 
          WELL, I THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE THAT ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT AND KIND OF MOVE IT OVER TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE SO THAT YOU CAN, SO THAT IT COULD BE REFLECTED IN TWO AREAS AND, AND MAKE THAT CORNER SEEM A BIT MORE FORMAL. 
          WHAT IT ALSO ALLOWS OR, OR CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IS FOR THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO PARK, ARRIVE HOME AND THEN HAVE, UH, AN ACCESS DOOR THAT IS NEAR WHERE THE CAR WILL BE PARKING. 
          AND, AND THEREFORE, NOT ONLY DO WE GET TO PLACE A DOOR ON THE DAWSON SIDE, WE ALSO MAKE IT VERY FUNCTIONAL FOR THE OWNER, AND WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND SOME OF THE AESTHETIC, UH, UH, CHOICES WE MADE FOR THE HOUSE THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE AND SPECIAL. 
          UH, ED, COULD YOU, UH, FORWARD OVER TO THE ELEVATION OF WHERE THIS DOOR IS? UH, IT SHOULD BE THE, UH, YEAH, THE THIRD HOME IN THE SET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU SEE IT THERE? YEAH. 
          IN THE TOP LEFT. 
          SO THIS IS THE HOME, THE DOOR, UH, ON THE DAWSON SIDE WHERE THE HOMEOWNER WILL PARK AND THEN ENTER THE HOUSE FROM. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE TWO AWNINGS ARE THERE. 
          AND SO IN THREE D AS YOU'RE COMING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT KIND OF CREATES THIS, UH, COHESIVE, UH, UM, UH, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT. 
          UM, IT, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE PUT THE DOOR EITHER, UH, IN THE, UH, YEAH, WHERE HE, UH, ED IS HIGHLIGHTING OR ALSO WHERE THE SMALLER WINDOW IS. 
          UH, HOWEVER, WE HAVE THE STAIRWELL WHERE THE SMALLER WINDOW IS. 
          SO THAT WOULD'VE JUST TOTALLY RECONFIGURED THE ENTIRE HOUSE. 
          UM, BUT ANOTHER EL UH, ANOTHER, UH, ITEM THAT I REALLY LIKED WAS, UH, UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS THAT BY PUTTING IT UNDER THE GABLE, UH, IT WOULD MAKE THIS PROTRUSION, UH, SEEM A BIT MORE, UH, FORMAL AND ELEGANT AND, AND ENTRANCE ENTRANCE, LIKE, UH, WHEREAS, UH, WHERE STAFF SUGGESTED BE ED, CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT THAT AGAIN? UM, IT DOES TURN THE CORNER THERE UNDER THE PORCH. 
          THAT IS ONE, UH, THE ENTRY PORCH FROM THE MESQUITE SIDE, BUT IT WOULD BE LIKE PUTTING TWO DOORS ON THE SAME CORNER. 
          AND SO, UH, WHILE SOME HOMES IN THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE THAT, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE EXACTLY LIKE THE WAY OTHER HOMES HAVE IT. 
          OTHER HOMES HAVE IT ON THE SAME FACE. 
          WE WOULD BE HAVE IT TURNING ON THE CORNER. 
          UM, AND, AND SO I JUST THOUGHT IT, IT, IT WOULD SUFFICE THE SUGGESTION BY STAFF, BUT WE MIGHT ALSO MISS OUT ON, UH, A, BEING ABLE TO MAKE THAT GABLE THAT FORMS DAWSON, UH, MORE FORMAL B CREATE, UH, AN A POINT OF ACCESS FOR THE HOMEOWNER FROM THE DRIVEWAY, SEE, CREATE A COHESIVE AESTHETIC FEELING FROM THE CORNER FOR THE AWNINGS. 
          AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER REALLY GOOD ONE THAT ANO ANOTHER ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SAID, LANDSCAPE WISE, THERE IS A LOT OF LAND TO THE DAWSON SIDE OF THIS LOT. 
          AND SO IT WOULD SEEM LOGICAL THAT A, THAT IF THAT THAT OWNER HAD A, A, A, A, A PET OR, OR WANTED SOME SORT OF FOUR FOOT TALL PRIVACY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING ABOVE THAT. 
          UM, IT, THAT FENCING WOULD COME IN AND AROUND THIS AREA, WHICH WOULD THEN, UH, CLOSE OFF, UH, AN ENTRY UNDERNEATH THAT PORCH. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THAT OTHER REASON, I THINK THAT KEEPING THE DOOR WHERE IT IS NOW, UH, CREATES MANY MORE ADVANTAGES OVER, OVER WHERE STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT IT BE. 
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UM, MS. BROOMHALL, IF YOU'D ALSO TALK TO THE, UH, STIPULATION OF THE WINDOWS AND THEN WE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN WE'LL GET TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO THE, UH, YES, WE ARE HAPPY TO, UH, UH, CONVERT ALL OF THESE WINDOWS INTO OPERABLE WINDOWS. 
          UH, A THOUGHT ON THE SMALLER SQUARE WINDOWS, UH, WHICH 95, 90 9% OF THE TIME ARE BATHROOM WINDOWS. 
          UH, WE THOUGHT THAT BEING THAT NONE OF THEM EXCEPT FOR THE, UH, EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WINDOW, WELL, WHICH I'LL, UH, REFER TO SPECIFICALLY IN A BIT, ALL OF THESE SMALL BATHROOM WINDOWS, UH, WE WILL MAKE THEM OPERABLE. 
          THEY'RE NOT ON ANY OF THE PRIMARY FACADES. 
          UM, AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE THESE SMALL CUBES, I THINK, UH, SHOWS THAT, HEY, THIS IS A, A NEW HOUSE IN A HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT, AND, AND WE'RE HERE TO COMPLIMENT THE, THE 100 YEAR OLD HOUSES. 
          WE'RE NOT HERE TO COPY THEM. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE LITTLE REMINDER, UH, IF, IF YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING, UH, CLOSELY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE BEHIND. 
          UM, THAT SAID, IN HOUSE A, UH, IF YOU CAN ZOOM INTO THAT ED, THAT FRONT FACADE, WE DO HAVE ONE SQUARE, UH, WINDOW THERE. 
          AND WE WILL CON UH, WE AGREE TO CONVERT IT TO AN OPERABLE CASEMENT WINDOW. 
          THE REASON WHY IT'S A BIT HIGHER UP IS BECAUSE THAT IS THE STAIRWELL AND I WANTED TO BRING IN LIGHT INTO THE STAIRWELL AND ALSO DEEPER INTO THE KITCHEN. 
          THE KITCHEN IS BEHIND THERE. 
          SO EVERY OPPORTUNITY I CAN TO, UH, INCREASE THE FENESTRATION, I, I TRY TO DO. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD BE LOVELY IF WE COULD DO THAT IN THE STAIR AS WELL. 
          UH, WE CAN'T LOWER THE SILL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE STEPS ARE, BUT IF YOU NOTICE, WE DID CHOOSE DOORS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE, UH, GLASS PANES THAT ARE KIND OF AT THAT, UM, AT A SIMILAR HEIGHT. 
          SO I THINK, UM, IN GENERAL, IT, IT, IT'S COHESIVE AND IT, AND IT, UH, IT FITS IN WITH THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF RECOMMENDATION FIVE IS ADDING WINDOWS ON THE BLANK SIDE OF THE GARAGE BUILDING. 
          YES. 
          AND WE FOUND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT ONE. 
          UH, WE WILL ADD TWO WINDOWS TO THIS BLANK GARAGE ON ONE ON THE TOP LEVEL AND ONE ON THE LOWER LEVEL. 
          UH, AND THEY WILL BE THE DOUBLE HUNG ONE OVER ONE AS WELL. 
          SO IF, IF I PRESENT THAT TO, TO, IF YOU AGREE TO THAT, I WILL, UH, UH, IF YOU AGREE TO THAT, ED WILL SEE THE SET THAT COMES IN THROUGH PERMIT SHOW THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MAY WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS AND I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNITY WITTY HISTORIC NEIGHBORS, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS ON H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 93 4 19 NORTH MESQUITE, 4 23 NORTH MESQUITE, AND 4 27 NORTH MESQUITE STREET. 
          WE DO NOT SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS. 
          WHILE THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN STEPS TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE GUIDELINES AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, ESPECIALLY THE CHANGE TO A GABLE ROOF ON THE DETACHED GARAGE, THERE ARE STILL TOO MANY MAJOR STIPULATIONS REMAINING TO BE MANAGED SUCCESSFULLY. 
          THE MASSING REMAINS TOO GREAT ON A STREET COMPRISED OF ONE STORY HOMES. 
          HOUSE C HAS NOT BEEN REORIENTED TO HAVE A DAWSON STREET ADDRESS. 
          THERE ARE TOO MANY WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND NO DESCRIPTION OF WINDOW OR DOORS OR DOOR MATERIAL TO BE USED. 
          COMPLETE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE SHOULD BE INCLUDED FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO APPROVAL. 
          THESE MAJOR STIPULATIONS CREATE AN UNWIELDY PROJECT FOR STAFF TO OVERSEE AND WILL LIKELY RESULT IN GUIDELINES NOT BEING MET DESPITE BEST INTENTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I THANK YOU MS. PRIMAL FOR THE, THE AGREEMENT TO THE STIPULATIONS. 
          I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. 
          THIS IS A FINAL RIGHT, C OF A AND I, YOU SAID YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH STIPULATION, AND I'M JUST GONNA TAKE EXAMPLE IS THE STIPULATION NUMBER TWO. 
          I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING AND JUST LEAVING THE STIPULATION WITHOUT SEEING REVISED DRAWINGS. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH YOU ACCEPT THE STIPULATIONS, I FEEL LIKE, UM, 
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I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THESE ARE UPDATED DRAWINGS YET WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS BEING MET. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE REMOVED, REDUCED THE IN FLOOR STRUCTURE FROM 24 INCHES DOWN TO 12 INCHES. 
          WE'VE ALSO REDUCED THE HEIGHT OF THE GABLES, UH, ABOUT A FOOT EACH, WHICH MEANS THAT ALL THREE OF THESE HOMES HAVE COME DOWN ABOUT THREE FEET. 
          THEY AT A TWO STORY HIGH, THEY ABOUT 28 FEET TALL, WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR OFF FROM A ONE STORY HOME WITH A, UH, UH, SYMMETRICAL HIP ROOF. 
          UH, MANY ONE STORY HOMES AND HISTORIC AREAS GET IN THE 24 TO 26 INCH RANGE. 
          SO WE, WE DON'T THINK WE'RE THAT FAR AWAY. 
          UH, AND WE DO WANT TO PROVIDE ENOUGH ROOM FOR MECHANICAL SYSTEMS TO GO THROUGH THESE. 
          UH, PLUS ALSO FEATURE A, UH, WELL PROPORTIONED GABLE AND NOT MAKE IT A, UH, SLOPE, YOU KNOW, A LOW SLOPED GABLE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO MEET THE CRITERIA. 
          WE THINK THAT THAT MIGHT DO IT A DISSERVICE SINCE A LOT OF THE PITCHES FROM 1910 AND 1920, UH, OTHER THAN PORCH ROOFS WERE NOT LOW SLOPING, BUT STAFF IS STILL EVEN, I'M, I'M ASSUMING STAFF STIPULATIONS ARE BASED ON THESE DRAWINGS, SO CORRECT. 
          STAFF STIPULATIONS ARE BASED ON THESE DRAWINGS AND STAFF CAN CLARIFY, UH, THIS STIPULATION, UM, IN ANY OF THE OTHER STIPULATIONS AND FINDINGS IF NEEDED. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT CERTAINLY HAS REDUCED THE HEIGHT. 
          UM, FLOOR PLATES, TOP PLATES HAVE BEEN REDUCED. 
          UM, SO STAFF ACKNOWLEDGES THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, WITH STAFF LOOKING TO FIND OR LOOKING FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS THE MOST, OR THE AN AMOUNT OF MASSING THAT HAS REDUCED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, THAT SPECIFICALLY IS WHY STAFF HAS ASKED THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE. 
          AND STAFF HAS EVEN OFFERED OR SUGGESTED A WAY THAT MASSING OR HEIGHT MAY BE FURTHER DECREASED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THE STIPULATION IS STILL THERE. 
          AND SO MS. BRION, WHEN YOU ACCEPT THAT STIPULATION, THAT MEANS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE IT MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING TODAY, NOT STAYING AT THAT 28, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO WORK ON REDUCING MORE AC BY ACCEPTING THE STIPULATION. 
          SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SEE, IS THAT, SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE WORKING ON REDUCING IT EVEN MORE? WELL, UM, ONE THING I COULD DO IS, UH, BRING ALL OF THE ROOFS DOWN 12 INCHES AND MAKE IT 20 FOOT SIX, AND THEN, UH, IT WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD MAYBE VAULT THE CEILINGS INSTEAD OF MAKING FLAT CEILINGS. 
          UH, AND ED COULD SEE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T REALLY, UH, CHANGE STRUCTURALLY. 
          UH, AND, BUT WOULD SUFFICE THE SECOND STIPULATION WITHOUT CHANGING. 
          SO I WOULD STILL FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE PROVING IT WITHOUT SEEING IT. 
          AND JUST TO FINISH UP, UM, I AM, I, I DO AGREE THAT MAYBE THE FRONT DOOR SHOULD BE EXPLORED A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          I DO AGREE WITH THE WINDOWS. 
          I DON'T AGREE. 
          YOU SAID YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMPLYING AND MAKING IT OVER ONE OVER ONE, AND I SEE THAT YOU HAVE SOME OF THE SINGLE WINDOWS IN SOME OF THE AREAS THAT'S BEHIND. 
          BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE LIKE THE THREE WINDOWS BUNKED TOGETHER, AND THEN YOU HAVE SMALL WINDOWS. 
          YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SIZES ON SINGLE SQUARE WINDOWS. 
          SO YOU HAVE BASICALLY THREE DESIGNS OF WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT COMPLIANT AND LIKE WHAT WE SEE HISTORICALLY. 
          SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN REVIEW THAT AGAIN AND SAY, OKAY, WELL IT'S MAYBE JUST IN THE BATHROOMS, BUT YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THREE DESIGNS? THREE DIFFERENT NON-COMPLIANT WINDOWS? YOU HAVE THE THREE THAT ARE TOGETHER, SINGLE RIGHT HERE ON THIS CORNER. 
          OH, THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE, SINGLE SQUARE. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU HAD TWO DIFFERENT SIZES, RIGHT, OF THE SINGLE SQUARE. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL LOCATED IN BATHROOMS, IS WHAT IT'S, UH, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I, I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS ONE DESI DESIGN DECISION. 
          LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONES THAT ARE BANKED, THE THREE ONE BY THREE, EACH ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE CASEMENTS. 
          AND ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE ABOVE, I THINK EITHER THE COUNTER OR THE BATHTUB, ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          UM, AND, AND THEN THE ONES THAT ARE SINGLES ARE ABOVE SMALLER, UM, SMALLER ITEMS. IT'S USUALLY SINKS. 
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BUT I, I, INSTEAD OF THEM BEING FIXED, I WOULD LIKE TO SAVE THE TIME OF NOT ONLY YOU, THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT ALSO ED'S TIME. 
          UH, AND BY AGREEING VERBALLY HERE, WHICH IS A BINDING AGREEMENT TO MAKE THESE CASEMENTS AND, UH, UH, YEAH, TO MAKE THESE CASEMENTS, ALL OF THEM, INCLUDING THE ONE IN THE STAIRWELL MI MR. CHAIR, IF I MIGHT, BEFORE, BEFORE THE APPLICANT COMMITS TO SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, HAD A, A DISCUSSION ON, UH, CLEARLY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME BALANCE HERE THAT, THAT, THAT DISCUSSION PROVIDES. 
          UM, CAN, CAN WE ZOOM ON THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW? OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          I DON'T MEAN I BELIEVE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONSIDER THE COMPOSITION THAT IS BEFORE US. 
          SO WE HAVE A PARTICULAR DESIGNER THAT IS PRESENTING TO US A HOLISTIC STATEMENT. 
          SHE HAS THREE STATEMENTS THAT ARE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE, AND WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT SHE'S PRESENTING TO US, THEY HAVE A BALANCE. 
          AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE IMAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT TO THIS, UM, THIS DESIGN STATEMENT LAST MEETING, THAT WE DIDN'T AGREE THAT THAT ROOF, THAT SLOPED ALL THE WAY ACROSS INTO THE LITTLE BUILDING THAT, THAT IT DIDN'T, UH, SOMEHOW FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH, WHICH IS A TOTAL ARBITRARY DECISION THAT WE MADE. 
          SO THIS APPLICANT WENT BACK, THEY PUT A PITCH ROOF ON THIS LITTLE GARAGE. 
          NOW, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, AND THAT IS A MAJOR COMPROMISE WITH RESPECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT THAT THIS DESIGNERS BRINGING FORTH. 
          BUT THERE IT IS, THERE'S THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND THERE'S THEIR HONESTY OR TRUTH IN, IN, IN THEIR STATEMENT. 
          NOW, THERE'S THE OTHER CONTRADICTIONS, RIGHT? THERE'S THE VERTICAL SIDING AND THE HORIZONTAL SIDING. 
          SO THERE, THERE ARE ALREADY CONTRADICTIONS THAT CLEARLY SAY THAT THIS DESIGNER IS VERY AWARE OF, OF THE ORIGINALITY OF THEIR, OF THEIR PRODUCT HERE. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE RIGHT END, THE LEFT END OF, OF, OF THAT LARGER BUILDING, YOU SEE THE HORIZONTAL SIDING. 
          YOU SEE HOW THAT CONTRASTS WITH THE VERTICAL SIDING, AND THEN IT STEPS BACK AND IT CONTRASTS AGAIN WITH THE HORIZONTAL SIDING HAS THE SQUARE WINDOW, HOW THE SQUARE WINDOW IS SET ELEGANTLY UNDERNEATH THE RECTANGULAR WINDOW. 
          YET THIS IS NOT A FACSIMILE OF A HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          THIS IS A NEW BUILDING. 
          SO THERE'S SOME CREATIVE LICENSE THAT'S BEEN TAKEN. 
          AND IF WE LOOK AT THE, AT THE PLACEMENT OF THE LITTLE BUILDING, THE STAIRCASE, AND THE IDEA THAT NOW THERE'S, IF WE TAKE THE OTHER BUILDING, THERE'S THIS ENTRANCE THAT'S BEEN CREATED TO THE SIDE THAT IS REALLY AN ELEGANT AND A FUNCTIONAL, UM, UM, UH, REPRESENTATION OF HOW THE PERSON IN THIS HOUSE WOULD BE EXPECTED TO LIVE. 
          RIGHT? IF WE GO AND LOOK AT THE, AT THE QUESTION OF THE, OF, OF STAFF'S READING, OF, OF THE GUIDELINES FOR THE TWO DOORS IN THE FRONT ON THE OTHER FLOOR PLAN, WE CAN SEE THAT THE MAJOR CONTRADICTION TO WHAT STAFF IS, IS, IS, UH, IS, UH, PROPOSING, IS NOT REALLY SO MUCH A CONTRADICTION OF WHETHER OR NOT STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING THE, THE GUIDELINES, BUT WHETHER OR NOT STAFF IS EMPOWERED, WHICH I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT EMPOWERED TO DETERMINE WHAT THE FUNCTIONAL ASPECTS OF THE HOUSE ARE WITH RESPECT TO THE FLOOR PLAN. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, YOU'D HAVE TWO DOORS ENTERING INTO THE SAME ROOM, WHERE IF YOU TOOK THAT FRONT DOOR SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A DOOR ON ONE SIDE AND A DOOR ON THE OTHER SIDE IN A HISTORIC CONTEXT, TYPICALLY THEY'RE GOING INTO TWO DIFFERENT ROOMS. SO THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY, UH, UH, CONTRADICTIONS THAT ARE CREATED, AND THOSE CONTRADICTIONS CAN ONLY BE ANSWERED BY THE DESIGNER. 
          NOW, MY BIG, MY, MY BIG QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO ASK, BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN ANSWERED, IS ON THE MASSING, BECAUSE I MADE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE BY THE IDEA THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN BRING THIS MASSING DOWN IS ONE OF TWO WAYS. 
          YOU EITHER REDUCE THE PLATE HEIGHT, WHICH WAS AT 10, NOW IT'S AT NINE. 
          THEY WOULD COME DOWN TO A VERY COMMON 1960S, EIGHT, WHICH IS PART OF THE MODULAR DIMENSIONS OF A NON HISTORIC TIME. 
          OR YOU REDUCE THE PITCH, WHICH YOU'RE AT THE MINIMAL PITCH SIZE HERE, THAT CAN ENSURE THAT THIS BUILDING IS GONNA HAVE THE GRANDEUR OF A HOUSE OF THAT PERIOD. 
          ONCE THAT PITCH STARTS TO COME DOWN, IT'S GONNA START TO, THE AGES ARE GONNA CHANGE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE GO GOING FROM THE FIFTIES TO THE SIXTIES TO THE SEVENTIES. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE SEEMS TO BE A VERY WELL BALANCED ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT THAT CLEARLY HAS CONTRADICTIONS BECAUSE IT INTENDS TO HAVE THOSE CONTRADICTIONS. 
          THEY'RE NOT ACCIDENTS. 
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AND, AND, AND IN ORDER TO ENABLE THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD, I THINK THAT IF WE START IMPLICATING THE FLOOR PLAN BY THE DOOR SITUATION, IF WE START IMPLICATING THE PROPORTIONS OF WHAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY SIMPLE BUT VERY ELEGANTLY CREATED, KIND OF TYPICAL HOUSE, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BECOME OUR PROJECT. 
          AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK IT'S A STEP BEYOND ITS ITS BEST, UH, AESTHETIC REPRESENTATION, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE LAST VER THE VERSION THAT THEY BROUGHT FIRST, THAT NOW WE'RE IN A VERSION THAT'S, THAT IS LEAVING THIS DESIGNER. 
          AND THEY, THEY DIDN'T HIRE US. 
          THEY HIRED THIS DESIGNER. 
          AND THIS IS A VERY, VERY WELL BALANCED, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. 
          I'M, I'M VERY HONORED TO HEAR YOU SAY THOSE WORDS IN FAVOR AND SUPPORT OF, UH, OUR WORK. 
          UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CO THE COMMISSION IN GENERAL, I MEAN, IS LOWERING THE PLATE HEIGHT ANOTHER 12 INCHES, REALLY GOING TO MAKE A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE HERE? UH, AS THE COMMISSIONER PRELEASE LEE SAID, WHEN WE START REDUCING THE PITCHES, WE GET INTO DIFFERENT ERAS. 
          UH, SO I, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THIS, THIS IS A TWO STORY HOME AND ALL, WHILE THEY'RE NOT THE MAJORITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OTHER TWO STORY HOMES EXIST, AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE 26 TO 34 FOOT RANGE, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF, EVEN IF STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION THINKS IT'S CRUCIAL? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BIMAL. 
          UH, MS. SAVINO, UH, YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE HERE IN THE OBSERVATIONS. 
          UM, I DO AGREE THAT IT, THIS IS NOT READY FOR A FINAL APPROVAL. 
          AND I, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE COMMENTS MADE BY, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THOSE I ALL, I AGREE WITH ALL OF THOSE, UH, STIPULATIONS AND ADDITIONS TO THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY PART OF MY CONCERN WITH THIS PROJECT IN REGARDS TO THE GUIDELINES AND THE STIPULATIONS IS NOT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN COVERED. 
          UM, FOR INSTANCE, THE PORCH SLAB IS DROPPED DOWN FROM THE FINISH FLOOR OF THE HOUSE, AND THAT IS TYPICALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, HAS NOT BEEN NOTED OR CHANGED. 
          I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE MATERIALITY OF THOSE HAND RAILINGS ARE. 
          THE STAIRCASE, THE DETAILS OF THE STAIRCASE, WHAT IS THAT? UM, ALSO THE STAIRCASE IS ON THE INTERIOR, NO, THE EXTERIOR ON THE, UH, ACCESSORY BUILDING FOR ID, UH, FOR UNIT A. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          WOOD FRAME. 
          LET ME, MAY I FINISH MS. AL? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BECAUSE I DON'T EXPECT, UM, TO HAVE ANSWERS TO EVERYTHING RIGHT AWAY. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO HAVE IT DOCUMENTED SO THAT WE CAN REFER TO THAT SET, UH, DURING THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, SO IT'S THE HANDRAILS, ALSO THE AWNING, THE AWNING DETAILS, AND ALSO ON STAFF'S REVIEWS. 
          I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AT WHAT THE ROOF IS. 
          WE HAVE, UH, COMMENTS AND APPROVALS FOR STANDING SEA METAL, BUT I ALSO SEE A THREE TAB SHINGLE ON THE DRAWING. 
          SO JUST THINGS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE COORDINATED. 
          UM, AND A DOOR TO WINDOW SCHEDULE WOULD BE, WOULD BE AWESOME. 
          UM, YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHY THERE'S A STANDING SEAM NOTE ON THESE DOCUMENTS. 
          MM. 
          UH, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE, THE WALL SECTIONS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE MATERIALS ARE NOTED IN THERE. 
          AND IF YOU GO INTO THE ELEVATIONS, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT AS WELL. 
          AND SO, GOING ALONG THE LINES OF THE WINDOWS, UM, I'M NOT COMPLETELY CONFIDENT OF THE WINDOW DETAIL AS SHOWN IN THE SECTION. 
          SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A, UM, A BONAFIDE WINDOW DETAIL SHOWING THE, UM, RECOMMENDED INSTALLATION OF A COUPLE INCHES, THE TOP SASH BEING A COUPLE INCHES FROM THE FACE OF THE TRIM. 
          THERE'S, UH, AND, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          ALSO TO ECHO SOME OTHER SENTIMENTS BY MY FELLOW, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I DO THINK THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE MASSING AND THE HEIGHTS. 
          AND I, AND MY QUESTION TO STAFF IS IN YOUR STIPULATION, UM, NUMBER TWO, EXPLORE OTHER MEASURES INCLUDING MODIFYING THE OPEN-END GABLE ROOFS, WHICH MS. 
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BRIMHALL YOU'VE AGREED TO DO, UM, STAFF. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS YOU WOULD MAKE OR ANY OTHER METHODS BY WHICH THE MASSING AND THE HEIGHT CAN BE MODIFIED? I THINK STAFF WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO THE DESIGNER TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          STAFF WAS SIMPLY OFFERING THOSE AS A SUGGESTION TO, UM, MAYBE GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR OKAY. 
          OR WHAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT, CERTAINLY TO SAY THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE OR TWO OR THREE WAYS TO, TO DO THAT, IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THROUGH A SERIES OF OF MOVES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN ONE OTHER COMMENT. 
          I WILL AGREE THAT THE MASSING AND JUST THE DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL IS NOT CONGRUENT WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          AND I KNOW THERE IS SOME DISAGREEMENT, AND IT'S NOT AN OPINION. 
          EXPERIENTIALLY, OBSERVATIONALLY, WE SEE THE DIFFERENCE, GREAT DIFFERENCE IN FOUR DWELLING UNITS ON THIS LOT RELATIVE TO THE HISTORIC ONE STORY STRUCTURES ALL AROUND. 
          AND THAT'S NOT JUST AN OPINION. 
          ONE CAN RUN THE DENSITY NUMBERS AS WELL AS THE FLOOR AREA RATIOS. 
          WE HAVE NUMBERS THAT SHOW THAT THIS IS AN OVERBUILT LOT OR PROJECT. 
          I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK TO WAYS TO REDUCE THE MASSING. 
          AND IF THAT MEANS LOOKING AT TRADITIONAL BUILDING DEVELOPMENTS, HAVING A LARGE MAIN HOUSE ON THE CORNER, SMALLER SECONDARY ACCESSORY BUILDING IN THE BACK, IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE FOUR DWELLING UNITS ON THAT LOT POSSIBLE, THEN I THINK THAT SHOULD BE EXPLORED. 
          UH, SO I, EVEN THOUGH THE ROOM ABOVE THE GARAGE IS CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, I DON'T THINK, UH, IT PROVIDES FOR A FULL-TIME LIVING ARRANGEMENT OTHER THAN IT BEING A SPARE BEDROOM. 
          UM, SO BECAUSE OF THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          THERE'S ONE HOME PER LOT, WHICH IS TYPICAL OF THE, UH, DINU WITTY DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. 
          I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REITERATE THAT THESE LOTS ARE ZONED I D Z, UH, AND, UH, ABOVE R M FOUR. 
          SO THERE COULD TECHNICALLY BE MANY UNITS ON THIS LOT, AND IT'D STILL BE ZONING, UH, APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, BUT MY CLIENT HAS DECIDED TO FOLLOW THE PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO ALSO TRY FROM THAT WAS SAID 120, 50 YEARS AGO, BUT TO ALSO TRY TO SATISFY THE CURRENT DWELLERS OF TODAY WHO REQUIRES MORE SPACE THAN 150 YEARS AGO. 
          UM, ED, IF YOU, UH, AND YOU KNOW, SPEAKING OF NUMBERS, WE DO NOT EXCEED THE 50% GREEN RATIO, WHICH MEANS FOR ANY OF THESE LOTS, WHICH MEANS THAT OUR COVERAGE, AND THEREFORE PART OF WHAT THE DEFINITION OF MASSING IS, IS NOT EXCEEDED. 
          NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WE'RE ALSO WITHIN RANGE FOR A TYPICAL TWO STORY HOUSE. 
          AND WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR OUTDOOR PORSCHE, BOTH LEVEL ONE AND LEVEL TWO. 
          SO WHILE THESE, UM, NOTIONS OF, OF MASSING, UH, MAY BE, UH, VARIANT FROM ONE PERSON TO THE OTHER, I WOULD LIKE TO REEMPHASIZE THAT THEY ARE VARIANT FROM ONE PERSON TO ANOTHER. 
          UH, AND, AND THAT WE THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE'VE FOLLOWED THE GUIDELINES WE'RE UNDER BUILDING ACCORDING TO ZONING, AND WE'RE ALSO EXCEEDING EXPECTATION WHAT IT COMES TO PROVIDING OUTDOOR SPACES FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY. 
          UH, COULD YOU, UM, LET'S SEE, WHO ELSE? I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE THING SO I CAN LET MY, UM, OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS. 
          ALSO, I WILL JUST SAY THOUGH, THAT THE GUIDELINES THAT I, GUIDELINES AND PRINCIPLES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DEDICATE MY SERVICE TO WERE DRAFTED IN AND, AND APPROVED IN 2012. 
          SO THERE IS THAT ACCOMMODATION FOR MODERNISM AND MODERN LIVING SITUATIONS, BUT I, I THINK FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES AND THE PRINCIPLES, UM, COULD YIELD SOME GOOD, VERY GOOD RESULTS FOR THIS SITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS, MR. LAO? CHAIRMAN, UH, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONER SAVINO AND COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT ARE STILL UP IN THE AIR AND, AND NEED TO BE REFINED. 
          SO I WOULD SUGGEST THE APPLICANT CONSIDER, UM, 
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WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, PULLING THIS, THIS DELAYING THIS, UH, PROJECT AT, AT THIS TIME AND COMING BACK LATER AFTER IT HAS, AFTER SHE HAS TAKEN, UH, FURTHER LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU, I MEAN, I, I DON'T, UH, NOT THAT I WANNA SUGGEST A D R C, BUT JUST ALONG, UH, COMMISSIONER LE'S COMMENT, UM, I COULD MOVE THIS TO A D R C AND YOUR D R C IS OPTIONAL, OF COURSE, WHICH I SUGGEST. 
          UM, THERE'S, I THINK MOST OF THE COMMISSION HERE AGREE THAT I DON'T THINK WE'LL COME TO AN AGREEMENT, AND THIS IS NOT THE SPACE TO DESIGN EITHER. 
          SO, MS. PRIMO, WILL YOU BE WILLING TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO TO FOLLOW SOME OF THESE GUIDELINES? JUST ACCEPT THEM, THIS WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH? WELL, UM, YES, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT, OF COURSE. 
          UM, BUT I, I DO WANNA GET A FULL COMMISSIONER INPUT IF POSSIBLE ON THESE HEIGHTS, RIGHT? BECAUSE I AM, I AM BELOW ZONING, I'M BELOW 50% COVERAGE, AND I'M WITHIN RANGE FOR HEIGHTS. 
          SO, YEAH, I THINK COMMISSIONER SAVINO WAS VERY CLEAR. 
          THIS IS ZONING AND, AND, AND HOUSE, UM, AND LOT COVERAGE. 
          I AGREE YOU'RE WITH IT. 
          BUT THE, THE GUIDELINES AND WHAT WE LOOK AT IS WHAT IS AROUND THIS, BUT THAT'S WHY EACH CASE IS DIFFERENT. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS HOUSE IS DESIGNED WRONG IN ANY WAY, AND IT COULD PROBABLY BE PLACED ON A BLOCK WHERE THAT HAS TWO STORY HOMES. 
          AND JUST SAYING, THIS BLOCK SPECIFICALLY, AND MONICA, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO HAS A POINT, IS THIS BLOCK. 
          AND EVEN WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ASSESSOR STRUCTURE. 
          IT'S WAY FURTHER DOWN, AND I KNOW THERE'S A SLOPE AND CHERRY STREET, YOU CAN USE THAT. 
          SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT MAYBE TWO STORY, BUT IN SOME OTHER CASES WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, DO YOU DO ONE STORY, TWO STORY OR WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO GIVE YOU THE EXTRA SPACE? JUST WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS THE OVERALL BLOCK OF WHERE THE NEIGHBOR, WHERE THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED. 
          YES. 
          ED, CAN YOU SHOW THE BLOCK PHOTOGRAPHS SO THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE TWO STORY HOUSE THAT'S THERE, AS WELL AS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET? SO IF YOU COULD SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THERE'S A TWO STORY HOUSE THAT IS, UH, WITHIN TWO BLOCKS. 
          UH, IT ALSO PROVIDES PORCHES ON BOTH LEVELS. 
          IT'S, UH, WITHIN THE SAME RANGE AS THE HEIGHT OF OUR HOUSE. 
          UH, AND THEN NOT ONLY THAT, YOU CAN GO UP TO THE RIGHT OF THIS SHEET AND YOU'LL SEE THE A D U STRUCTURE THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR A D U STRUCTURE. 
          BOTH OF THEM SET BACK FROM THE STREET IN A SIMILAR WAY. 
          SO WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THE LANGUAGE THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UH, SO WE, WE ARE TAKING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FROM THE IMMEDIATE STREET AND TRYING TO PROVIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO REFLECT THAT AND, AND ALSO CREATE, UH, A BALANCE ACROSS OUR SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES. 
          MI, MR. CHAIR, UM, YES, SIR, I, I AM, UH, YOU KNOW, U USING, UH, THE EXPERIENCE THAT, THAT I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ASKED TO, TO BRING TO THE DAIS HERE, MY UNDERSTANDING HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT ALL COMMISSIONS DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COMMISSION IT IS, THAT THEIR DECISION MAKING POWERS ARE SUBORDINATE TO THE OVERARCHING RULES THAT GOVERN, UH, THOSE ASPECTS THAT ARE ALREADY CODIFIED BEYOND GUIDELINES, RIGHT? BEYOND GUIDELINES LIKES, LIKE, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE SILL HEIGHT OF A WINDOW, THE SILL HEIGHT OF A WINDOW IS GONNA HAVE A TOLERANCE FOR PROPORTION, RIGHT? BUT IT'S GONNA MEET ITS LIMITS WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT A WINDOW IN A BEDROOM CANNOT BE ANY LOWER THAN THIS, OR ANY HIGHER THAN THAT, WHEN, WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES BEFORE US. 
          I MEAN, THE BEST THING THAT, THAT I THINK CAN BE DONE IS TO PUT YOURSELF, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THE DRAFTING ROOM, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THE PROBLEM SOLVING, UM, UH, UH, SITUATION PROFESSIONALLY, IF ANYTHING, TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THEN EVERYTHING BEYOND WHAT IS BASIC BECOMES, UM, THE ARTICULATION OF DESIGN. 
          SO NOW WE TALK ABOUT, UH, NOT THE PITCH HEIGHT, 
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BUT THE MATERIALITY AND THE ARTICULATION OF THE DIFFERENT JOINTING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOW, UH, THE DISCUSSION A SECOND AGO, I MEAN, IF YOU USE THE P D F AND YOU ZOOM IN THE WINDOW, DETAIL IS THERE, AND AT SOME POINT THE WINDOW IS ADHERING TO THE SPEC OF THE WINDOW. 
          AND IT'S A GOOD WINDOW, YOU CAN TELL BY LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, BUT YOU GOTTA ZOOM IN. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT MY POINT IS THOUGH IS THAT WE CREATE AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION FOR ANYONE TO COME IN HERE AND EXPECT THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WHERE WE ARE REGULATED, WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE REACHED THE LIMITS OF THEIR JURISDICTION. 
          OTHERWISE, IF WE, IF WE DON'T PROFESSIONALLY KNOW WHERE THE LIMITS OF OUR JURISDICTION ARE, THEN WE'RE JUST SITTING IN A DAIS USING THE POWER THAT WE ARE ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE CONFUSING THE AUTHORITY WITH, WITH THAT POWER, RIGHT? AND THE REALITY IS, UH, OUR, OUR AUTHORITY IS NOT GREATER THAN THOSE RULES THAT ARE STIPULATED IN ZONING COMMISSION OR THAT ARE STIPULATED IN THE U D C. 
          WE, WE, WE BRING SOMETHING ELSE, UH, TO THE TABLE. 
          IT'S EASY WHEN IT'S AN EX EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE A ONE FOR ONE IS A ONE FOR ONE, BUT WHEN IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S ADHERING TO, TO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          OKAY? CAN YOU, BUT, BUT JUST ONE OTHER THING. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ARCHITECTURAL EXPRESSION, RIGHT? THE PEOPLE THAT COME BEFORE US, IT'S THE HEIGHT OF INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM. 
          IT, IT, IT, IT TRULY IS. 
          AND WHEN WE MICROMANAGE THE APPLICANT'S CREATIVITY, WE'RE TYRANTS. 
          AND, AND ANYBODY THAT, ANYBODY NEEDS SOME MORE COMMISSIONERS TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY. 
          WELL, AND, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT MIM, MR. CHAIR, BUT I, I HOPE THAT I HAD THE OPPORT OF ORDER OPPORTUNITY. 
          I, I HOPE THAT I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO EXPRESS THE INCREDIBLE DISCONTENT THAT I HAVE WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          WE HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YES. 
          TO STATE THE POINT OF ORDER, POINT OF ORDER, UM, CONVERSATION NEEDS TO STAY ON THE TOPIC OF THE CONTENT OF THE PROJECT, AND THE NEXT STEPS, PLEASE EXPLAIN. 
          I, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS OUT OF CONTEXT. 
          I UNDERSTOOD THE POINT OF ORDER YES. 
          OF ORDER'S ON ME THOUGH, RIGHT? SHOULDN'T I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT OF ORDER IS? IT'S THE CHAIR'S CALL. 
          YES, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE POINT OF ORDER IS TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE, UH, APPLICATION AND THE STIPULATIONS AND, UM, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL THEN, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD'VE TO CALL A POINT OF ORDER TOO, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT THE COMMENTS ARE, ARE OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          I HAVE A SUGGESTION JUST BECAUSE EARLIER IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS ABOUT TO BE A MOTION RELATED TO A CONTINUANCE OR D R C, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ALSO KIND OF A DESIRE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT MORE CLEAR DIRECTION BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. 
          UM, SO ONE OPTION IF THERE'S INTEREST, AND IF WE THINK THAT THERE'S GENERAL CONSENSUS ON SOME OF THE STIPULA STIPULATIONS IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT THOSE FINAL, UM, DOCUMENTATION DRAWINGS BE DEVELOPED AND RETURNED TO THE H D R C, TO THE FULL COMMISSION AND NOT TO STAFF. 
          SO IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO REVIEW THOSE IN MORE DETAIL BEFORE ISSUANCE OF A C O A, THEN THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. 
          WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON, UM, THE APPLICATION AND MS. BRIMM HALL'S PRESENTATION AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I WAS IN THE LAST D R C AND WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, FRONT PORCH ORIENTING TOWARDS DAWSON, AND I BELIEVE MS. BRIMHALL HAS MADE HER CASE THAT, UH, THE ADDRESS IS ON MESQUITE. 
          AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS, AS SHE HAS DESIGNED IT, SHE HAS ADDED A, A SECONDARY, UH, ENTRY TO THE BUILDING AT THE FACING DAWSON, BUT MORE IN ORIENTATION TO THE DRIVEWAY AND ACCESS FOR THE, UH, HOMEOWNER. 
          AND, UM, I WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY MENTIONED THAT, UM, WE HAVE THIS NICE, LOVELY SIDE YARD THAT MIGHT END UP GETTING FENCED AT SOME POINT. 
          AND SO MAKING A MAJOR, UH, ENTRANCE ON DAWSON, I THINK WOULD, UH, FENCING WOULD DEFEAT THAT PURPOSE. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE SMALL WINDOWS, I THINK SHE HAS MADE HER CASE ABOUT, UM, IN RESTROOMS. IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UH, THEY TYPICALLY ARE SMALLER WINDOWS AND SHE HAS AGREED TO MAKING THEM OPERABLE, UM, WHICH IS WHAT HISTORICALLY THEY ARE. 
          THEY MAY NOT BE THE ONE OVER ONES, BUT, UH, THEY ARE OPERABLE, 
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UH, WINDOWS IN THE RESTROOMS, WHICH, UM, I COULD ALSO SUPPORT. 
          UM, DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS? MR. CHAIR? I'D, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE D R C FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH THIS APPLICANT, FOR THEM REACHING, UH, AGREEMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, BEFORE US TODAY. 
          AND I WOULD ONLY ASK THE COMMISSION TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT ALL OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE A REASONABLE STOP POINT AND, UM, WITH THE QUALIFIED, UH, MEMBERS OF THAT D R C I I, I CAN APPRECIATE AND I CAN SEE THE SOLUTIONS THAT TOGETHER WITH THE APPLICANT Y'ALL HAVE PUT FORTH AND I, I HOPE THAT THIS COMMISSION WILL SUPPORT THIS, UH, APP, THIS APPLICATION'S APPROVAL. 
          MS. GROOVE YES, TO GO ALONG. 
          UH, COREY'S COMMENT ABOUT EMOTION. 
          I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          IN THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, YOU STAFF SAYS THAT THE APPLICANT THERE WAS A STIPULATION TO REDUCE YOUR OVERALL HEIGHT, AND THEN IN BOLD IT SAYS THE STIPULATION HAS BEEN MET, AND THEN TODAY THE STIPULATION IS STILL THERE ON THE FINAL. 
          WAS THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE IN THE, SO I'LL CLARIFY AND I'LL ACTUALLY, UH, READ STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SO, STAFF AT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL HAD A STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE HEIGHT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE SO FOR EACH STRUCTURE. 
          UH, HOWEVER, STAFF, AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, STAFF FINDS THAT IF THE APPLICANT CAN CONTINUE TO RE REDUCE THE HEIGHT, THAT IS GONNA MORE CONSISTENTLY MEET THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UH, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE AND IF THE APPLICANT CAN FIND WAYS TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT THAT THAT BE INCORPORATED STAFF IS FURTHERMORE GIVEN THE APPLICANT IDEAS OR POTENTIAL WAYS FOR REDUCING THE HEIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ALSO BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL AND NOW, MS. BREAL, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE, SO I THINK YOU KNOW THE PROCESS AND I AM COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT I'M SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA FIND A FINAL SOLUTION FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, THERE'S SOME, SOME OF THE ITEMS THERE WERE STIPULATIONS IN THE CONCEPTUAL THAT I FEEL STILL THERE, AND THAT IS WHY I WASN'T COMFORTABLE MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE EVEN WITH THE STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, SO BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL, NOW YOU'VE ALSO HAD TWO DRCS AND, UH, IN OUR PACKAGE WE ALSO HAVE THE COMMENTS FROM THE D R C. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH YOU USE ZONING OR STATING YOUR CASE, I FEEL LIKE I, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE EVEN THOUGH STAFF MENTIONED THAT THAT COULD BE EMOTION. 
          I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE YOU COMING BACK WITH THE DETAILS, UM, WITH THE STIPULATIONS MET THAT YOU AGREED TO. 
          IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO THAT, THEN THEN I WOULD JUST MOVE IT TO D R C, MAKING IT AN OPTIONAL OPTION. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THIS BACK TO D R C. 
          YES, MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT. 
          DO WE HAVE A SEC? WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, I'M NOT, UH, IF SOMEONE COULD, UM, IN ONE, ONE SENTENCE. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE MOTION? I'M MOVING THIS TO D R C. 
          AFTER I THINK MS. MHO, WHAT SHE WILL DO IS GO BACK AND RE DO THE DRAWINGS BASED ON THE STIPULATIONS THAT SHE AGREED TO. 
          THE D R C IS OPTIONAL. 
          SHE CAN COME BACK TO THE MEETING, BUT JUST WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT SHE'S AGREEING TO WITH THOSE DRAWINGS EDITED TO THAT. 
          SO YOU JUST SAID OPTIONAL, SO MAYBE THE MOTION IS A CONTINUANCE WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT DRAWING, WOULD THAT BE BETTER? BETTER, BUT I WANNA GIVE HER THE OPTION OF HAVING A D R C WITH OTHER APPLICANTS AS SHE ALSO MENTIONED THAT SHE WOULD LIKE, THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION. 
          YEAH, CO CORY, CAN CAN YOU ASK YOU TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THE, THE STIPULATION FOR FOR HEIGHT STAFF HAS ALREADY, UM, UH, KIND OF SAID THAT EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE IN THAT AREA AND IT'S SIGNIFICANT, ALTHOUGH, LET ME REPHRASE. 
          UM, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCHES AT THIS POINT, AND SO THE, THE CURRENT STIPULATION IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE NUMBER AND FEET AND INCHES, IT'S ABOUT THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE HEIGHT. 
          AND SO WE MADE A SUGGESTION ABOUT ROOF FORM AND KIND OF TWEAKING THAT BECAUSE THAT CAN CHANGE HOW YOU PERCEIVE THE HEIGHT OF A STRUCTURE FROM THE STREET IN TERMS OF PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND SO LOOKING AT A CLIPPED GABLE OR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T JUST A FULL, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY GABLE HEIGHT, UM, EVEN THOUGH THAT DOESN'T CHANGE NECESSARILY THE, LIKE THE, THE CEILING HEIGHT IN THE ROOMS, IT MIGHT IMPACT THE PERCEPTION OF MASS FROM, FROM THE STREET. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          THEY'RE VERY WELL SAID THERE, CORY. 
          THANK YOU. 
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SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C? YES. 
          CO, CO, CO. 
          WAS IT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THAT, UH, IT WAS BEING SUGGESTED BY STAFF THAT IT GO TO A CONTINUANCE. 
          I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER GRU, BUT I THINK WHAT SHE'S GETTING AT, I WOULD PREFER D R C. 
          OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          SO WE'LL SEE HOW THIS VOTE GOES. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. 
          SINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          NAYAN AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          ZER AYE. 
          UNE AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU MS. BREAL, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE DRAWINGS THAT, UH, ADDRESS YOUR AGREEMENT TO THE STIPULATIONS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA 
          [20. Address/Description: 411 N MONUMENTAL HDRC Case No.: 2021479 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Pegy Brimhall/Figrd, LLC Request: Construction of a 1story, residential structure with a detached rear accessory structure City Council Dist.: 2]
ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 4 79 4 11 NORTH MONUMENTAL. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT FOUR 11 NORTH MONUMENTAL, LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH T WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT COMPOSITE SIDING SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH BOARDS THAT FEATURE A THICKNESS OF THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH AND AN EXPOSURE OF FOUR INCHES. 
          THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIMP RIDGE SEAM AND A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH. 
          A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP MAY BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          TWO, THAT A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND IN FINDING L THREE, THAT THE NON-TRADITIONALLY SIZED WINDOWS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE SIZES AND PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          THESE INCLUDES THE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW IN THE DINING ROOM, THE TWO SQUARE WINDOWS IN THE BATHROOM, AND THE HORIZONTAL, UH, MASTER BATHROOM WINDOW. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF FINDS THE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE NORTH ELEVATION FOR THAT THE PROPOSED WALKWAY BE POURED CONCRETE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT FIVE THAT FENCING NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT WITHIN THE FRONT YARD IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE, INCLUDING THE RECESSED PORCH. 
          PRIVACY FENCING IS NOT TO EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND SIX THAT A SHED OR LOW HIP PORCH ROOF SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED PORCH. 
          MASSING IS NOTED IN FINDING AYE. 
          THERE'S ALSO CASE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FOUNDATION INSPECTION OR SETBACK INSPECTION AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, PEGGY BRIMHALL IS HERE. 
          HELLO AGAIN. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO, UH, ED AND I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THESE STIPULA, WELL, NOT BACK AND FORTH. 
          HE ASKED ME TO LET HIM KNOW WHICH ONES I AGREED TO, AND I AGREE TO STIPULATIONS 1, 2, 5, AND SIX AS WELL AS SEVEN. 
          UM, SO THAT MEANS I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT STIPULATIONS THREE AND FOUR. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SHALL WE GET STARTED? YES, MA'AM. 
          UH, LET'S START WITH STIPULATION FOUR, SO AS YOU CAN WHERE ED IS RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          WE CAN DO THREE, WE CAN DO THREE. 
          WHERE ED IS RIGHT NOW ARE THE FOUR ELEVATIONS. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LONG, DEEP, THIN, SLENDER LOT. 
          UH, NOT QUITE A SHOTGUN TYPE HOUSE LOT, BUT REMINISCENT OF IT, RIGHT? THE ONLY TYPE OF HOME YOU CAN BUILD HERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY LONG, UH, AND, AND DEEP. 
          OR YOU COULD DO SOMETHING THAT'S TWO STORIES, BUT THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY TWO STORIES ON THIS BLOCK. 
          SO, WELL, THERE'S ONE, BUT IT'S VERY FAR AWAY AND IT'S ON A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE BLOCK. 
          UH, SO ANYWAY, UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS, UH, VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THE DESIGNS FROM 120 YEARS AGO, ALMOST, UH, UH, EXACT. 
          AND I, WHILE I'M HESITANT TO, UH, MAKE A COPY OF, UH, SOMETHING FROM, UH, BACK THEN BECAUSE IN THE FEDERAL HISTORIC GUIDELINES THAT I'VE STUDIED, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS THE GUIDELINES HERE, IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED THAT YOU DO THAT. 
          YOU DON'T NEVER WANT A COPY. 
          I'VE DONE TWO THINGS TO DIFFERENTIATE THIS HOUSE, AND THESE ARE THE TWO STIPULATIONS THAT ARE BROUGHT UP. 
          SO THE FIRST STIPULATION ARE 
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THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE HOUSES, SIMILAR TO, UH, MY CA THE CASE THAT I MADE ABOUT THE BATHROOM HOUSES, UH, I AM DOING HERE. 
          WE, UH, ARE HAPPY TO MAKE THESE WINDOWS OPERABLE. 
          UH, BUT THE INTENT IS TO SHOW THAT THIS IS A NEW HOUSE. 
          UH, IT IS, UH, NOT A 100 YEAR OLD HOUSE. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SHAKE THINGS UP IN THE FACADES THAT ARE NOT THE PRIMARY FACADES. 
          UH, SO WE THINK THAT FOR THE PERSON WHO IS PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO DETAIL, THEY'LL SEE THAT THE FRONT FACADE AND THE REAR FACADE PAYS HOMAGE TO THE HOMES FROM 120 YEARS AGO. 
          BUT THE SIDE FACADE, UH, ARE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE MORE MODERN. 
          UM, THAT IS, UH, THE SAME CASE THAT I, UH, WANT TO MAKE WITH THE SIDEWALK. 
          UH, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE SITE PLAN, ED, SO HERE IS A DESIGN MOVE THAT I'M, I'M, I WOULD LOVE TO GET APPROVED. 
          THIS IS A POURED SIDEWALK. 
          IT'S NOT A PAVER SIDEWALK. 
          IF YOU ZOOM INTO THE NUM DRAWING NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE FLAT WORK DETAIL, THE WAY THAT YOU BUILD THIS IS YOU CREATE THE FORM WORK, AND THEN YOU PUT A FOUR BY FOUR EVERY SO OFTEN IN THAT POURED SIDEWALK. 
          SO INSTEAD OF IT BEING LIKE A ONE QUARTER INCH, UM, UH, EXPANSION SEAM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A BIGGER FOUR INCH, UH, UH, SEAM, BUT THAT YOU CAN POUR DECORATIVE GRAVEL ONTO. 
          NOW THIS IS A HORIZONTAL DETAIL THAT IS NOT OBVIOUS TO THE PERSON LOOKING AT FACADES. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S A, IT'S A SECONDARY ELEMENT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING CLOSELY, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTICE, BUT IT WILL NOT IMPEDE ON THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND IF ANYTHING, IT SHOWS THAT IT'S A MODERN INTERPRETATION OF SUCH. 
          AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS OR MY, MY, MY, THE THOUGHTS BEHIND THE DESIGN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LOU FRANCOIS AND I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN STREET. 
          AND ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORS, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS ON H G R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 79 FOR 11 MONUMENTAL STREET, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. 
          WE ALSO RECOMMEND FURTHER STIPULATIONS THAT INCLUDE THE WINDOWS BE WOOD OR, UH, ALUM, UH, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS, NOT JUST ALUMINUM AS CALLED OUT IN THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE, AND THAT THE EXTERIOR DOORS BE WOOD AND NOT STEEL, AS CALLED OUT IN THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MS. PRIMAL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THOSE? I BELIEVE YOU HAVE AGREED TO STIPULATION TWO, WHICH IS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS. 
          YES, WE, UH, ELL CONSTRUCTIONS HA UH, HAS BUILT BEFORE IN, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THEY HAVE A SPECIFICATION THEY LIKE TO USE. 
          UM, I WILL SEND THAT TO ED THE SECOND I GET A CHANCE. 
          IT'S BEEN APPROVED BEFORE. 
          IT'S A WOOD CLAD, UH, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW, VERY HIGH END BY THE WAY. 
          I WAS IMPRESSED. 
          UH, UH, SO I THINK IT'LL MORE THAN SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUICK COMMISSION, MS. SAVINO. 
          UM, YES, I'LL DIVE RIGHT IN. 
          MS. BRIMHALL, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND CONTEXT OF THIS SITE FOR A ONE STORY HOUSE. 
          IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE AND, UM, IT WILL, UM, IT HELPS MEND SOME OF THE GAPS THAT OUR VACANT LOTS HAVE CREATED OVER THE YEARS. 
          UH, SO THAT'S OUT THE WINDOWS, UM, WITH STAFF, UH, THE NON-TRADITIONAL ONES, THE, LET'S TAKE THE LARGE, UM, PICTURE, FIXED PICTURE WINDOW IN THE DINING ROOM, I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          I THINK THE, UH, EXPERIENCE, THE INTERIOR EXPERIENCE CAN BE, UM, CREATED WITH GANG TWO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS WITH A MULIAN, UH, STUD POCKET BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          AND, UH, STILL GIVE YOU A GREAT QUALITY OF LIGHT AND VIEW FROM THAT ROOM. 
          UM, THE, I I THINK THE UPPER WINDOWS IN THAT MASTER BATH CAN BE RECONSIDERED. 
          YOU, YOU'VE GIVEN, UH, THIS UNIT VERY GENEROUS SIZED MASTER BATH TO WHERE YOU HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH WINDOWS AND, UM, SORT OF A UTILITY KITCHEN BATHROOM, DOUBLE-HUNG, COULD FIT SOMEWHERE IN THERE. 
          AND, UM, 
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I AM NOT CONVINCED OF THE WALKWAY, UM, IDEA AT THIS TIME. 
          IT MAY BE POURED, YOU MAY POUR A CONCRETE WITH A SPACER, BUT, UM, TO BE FILLED WITH GRAVEL, BUT WHEN ALL THAT'S DOING IS MIMICKING PAVER WITH GRAVEL, UM, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT EVEN THE STIPULATION SAY CONTINUOUS CONCRETE POUR AND OTHERWISE I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE, THE SIZE, THE MASSING AND THE RELATIONSHIP OF THIS HOUSE WITHIN, UH, THE CONTEXT OF ITS NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIRMAN. 
          YES, MR. UNE, UH, COMMENTS ON THE WALKWAY, REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED, THE VISUAL APPEARANCE OF IT IS OF INDIVIDUAL BLOCKS, WHICH IS THE POINT OF CONTENTION. 
          AND THE TYPICAL WALK IN THIS AREA WOULD BE A CONTINUOUS POURED CON POURED CONCRETE WALK. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUPPORT. 
          I I CAN'T SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL THAT IS, UH, IN THE DESIGN CURRENTLY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MR. FISH. 
          UM, I CONCUR WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS, ALL OF THE FINDINGS, SO THEREFORE I, I'D MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          MR. CHAIR, I, I'LL SECOND. 
          I DO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT TO, UH, THE DESIGNER. 
          YES. 
          UH, I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT MY SECOND IS BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT ARE GONNA AFFECT YOUR DESIGN. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU RECEIVE SOME REINFORCEMENT OF YOUR, YOUR ORIGINAL INTENT AND THE DESIGN INTEGRITY THAT RESTS WITH, WITH YOU AS THE DESIGNER. 
          I PRAY FOR A MORE TOLERANT, UH, DECISION MAKING PROCESS. 
          ONE THAT I CONSIDER ARCHITECTURALLY DISCRIMINATING BEYOND THE LEVEL OF WHAT OUR CALL IS. 
          I THINK IT REALLY CROSSES THE LINE OF OUR JURISDICTION. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT AND THAT YOU SHOULD CONTINUE AND MAYBE LEARN BETTER HOW TO FIGHT FOR WHAT WHAT YOU THINK, UH, IS DEFINITELY YOUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO EXPRESS YOURSELF. 
          AND, AND ARCHITECTURE IS A, IT'S A BATTLE. 
          IT'S A BATTLE. 
          DOESN'T MATTER WHAT LEVEL YOU'RE AT. 
          SO YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE A WARRIOR. 
          SO, UH, MORE POWER TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          MR. CHAIR, CAN I COMMENT? YES, MS. GROUP BEFORE WE DO VOTING, IS THAT OKAY? WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. 
          SO WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSION NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS RELATED TO THE PROJECT. 
          UM, MR. CURTIS, COMMISSIONER FISH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD CHANGE THE MOTION, BUT I WAS GONNA SAY, SUGGEST THAT THE PORT CONCRETE ON THE FRONT AND I WOULD ACCEPT THE PAVERS BETWEEN THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND THE CARPORT. 
          IF THAT HELPED MS. TRIMBLE AND THEN, UM, ON THE WINDOWS, I WAS GONNA ACCEPT HER, UH, THE BATHROOM WINDOWS, NOT THE MASTER BATH. 
          I ACTUALLY FEEL THAT THAT COULD BE THOSE TWO GANG WINDOWS IN THE MASTER COULD BE REPLACED WITH A ONE OF A ONE RIGHT ABOVE THE TOILET, WHICH WE'VE SEEN VERY COMMON AND PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THE WINDOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT COULD BE REPLACED IF WE GO TO THE DRAWING, THERE'S ACTUALLY NOTHING ABOVE THE TOILET. 
          IT'S JUST A PLAIN WALL. 
          THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE THOSE TWO WINDOWS IS BECAUSE OF YOUR, UM, MIRRORS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YES, IT IS. 
          JUST SO AGAIN, YEAH, IT IS, I WOULD SAY I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE TWO SQUARE WINDOWS, WHICH YOU HAVE FURTHER DOWN. 
          I WOULDN'T MIND THOSE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH YOUR COMMENT OF MAKING A CHANGE. 
          BUT THE TWO UPPER WINDOWS, THOSE, I MEAN, JUST GO BEYOND THE POINT OF TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING MODERN OR TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          I THINK THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE REALLY JUST, UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THEY'RE THROWING ME OFF THE DESIGN OF COURSE, BUT I WOULD SAY YOU CAN EASILY JUST PUT A WINDOW OVER THE TOILET AT A ONE OF A ONE IF, IF I MAY. 
          UM, SO IN, IN MY STUDIES OF INTERIOR DESIGN AND A LITTLE BIT OF DABBING, DABBLING IN RETAIL AND THINGS PUTTING UM, UH, JUST OMNI LIGHT ABOVE THE MIRROR MAKES YOU LOOK BETTER IN THE MIRROR, MAKES YOU FEEL YOUNG. 
          OH, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. 
          I LIVE IN AN OLD HOME. 
          I DON'T HAVE WINDOWS ABOVE MY WINDOWS. 
          I AGREE. 
          , I'M A WOMAN. 
          OF COURSE WE LIKE WINDOW LIGHT , BUT THAT WAS JUST, UH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE OUTSIDE, NOT FROM THE INSIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT THOSE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS FOR THE MOTION. 
          THERE IS A MOTION AND I WILL SUPPORT IT. 
          IT WAS JUST SUGGESTIONS TO, FOR THE, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND COMMISSIONER GROOVE, THE STIPULATION RELATED TO NUMBER FOUR IS ONLY, UH, RELATED TO THE FRONT SIDEWALK, NOT THE REAR SIDEWALK. 
          OH, GREAT. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FRONT SIDEWALK, DOUBLE GANG, THE LIVING ROOM AND THEN DOUBLE GANG IN OR DO ONE-ON-ONE OVER IN THE BATHROOMS. AND I 
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THINK, I THINK A PROPOSAL THE COMMISSIONER GROUP MADE ABOUT THAT SOLUTION COMPLIES WITH STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER THREE. 
          SO I, I, MR. CHAIRMAN, UNLESS I'M MISUNDERSTANDING SOMETHING, I THINK THE, THE MOTION IS AGREEABLE AS STANDS. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH, I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, SIR. 
          FISH, CAN YOU REPEAT? AYE SINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          NAN AYE GROUP AYE BETS? AYE. 
          LA AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, 
          [21. Address/Description: 515 N MONUMENTAL HDRC Case No.: 2021480 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Pegy Brimhall/Figurd, LLC Request: Construction of a 1story residential structure with a detached rear accessory structure City Council Dist.: 2]
H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 21 4 85 15 NORTH MONUMENTAL. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THE ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT FIVE 15 NORTH MONUMENTAL, LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH R WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, UH, IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME WITH THE COMMISSION. 
          DOES THE COMMISSION WANT ME TO REPEAT STAFF STANDARDS OR SHOULD I JUST NOTE STAFF STANDARDS? I THINK YOU COULD NOTE STAFF STANDARDS, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, STIPULATION ONE IS STAFF STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO MATERIALS STIPULATION TWO IS IN IT'S STAFF STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION STIPULATION THREE, THAT THE NON-TRADITIONALLY SIZED WINDOWS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE SIZES AND PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          THESE INCLUDES THE LARGE PICTURE WINDOWS IN THE DINING ROOM, THE TWO SQUARE WINDOWS IN THE BATHROOM, AND THE HORIZONTAL MASTER BATHROOM WINDOW STIPULATION FOUR THAT THE PROPOSED WALKWAY BE POURED CONCRETE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT. 
          STIPULATION FIVE, THE FENCING NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT WITHIN THE FRONT YARD IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE, INCLUDING THE RECESS PORCH. 
          PRIVACY FENCING IS NOT TO EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          THERE'S ALSO A CASE COMMENT IN REGARDS TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION AND A ROOFING INSPECTION. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT, PEGGY BRIMHALL IS HERE. 
          UM, AND I WILL NOTE THAT, UM, THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE IN CONTENTION ARE THE SAME AS THOSE FROM THE PREVIOUS CASE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, ED? YES. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO DO CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK, UM, IN THE FRONT. 
          AND ED, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO, UH, THE ELEVATION SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT WINDOWS. 
          I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO IN SIMILAR WAYS. 
          UM, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME, THE SAME ISSUE. 
          UH, SO I CAN DO A ONE OVER ONE OVER THE TOILET, REMOVE THE ONES OVER THE WINDOW AND THEN THE PICTURE WINDOW IN THE DINING ROOM. 
          I CAN MAKE THEM A DOUBLE GANG DOUBLE HUNG AND, UH, YES, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. 
          YES. 
          SORRY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS AND I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN STREET. 
          AND ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNITY HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS ON H G R C CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 8 0 5 15 MONUMENTAL STREET. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS. 
          WE ALSO RECOMMEND FURTHER STIPULATIONS THAT THE WINDOWS BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS, BUT NOT ALUMINUM ONLY AS CALLED OUT IN THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE AND THAT THE EXTERIOR DOORS BE WOULD NOT STEAL AS CALLED OUT IN THE WIN IN THE WINDOW AND DOOR SCHEDULE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AGAIN, MS. BRIMHALL, I BELIEVE YOU'VE, YOU'VE AGREED TO, UM, AN ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          COMMENT ON THE, THE DOOR MATERIAL. 
          UH, SOLID WOOD MADE, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT NOTED. 
          SOLID WOOD. 
          SOLID WOOD. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A JUST KIND OF A, AN OBSERVATION THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT. 
          UH, SEEING THE THREE, UM, THE THREE PROJECTS THAT JUST CAME BEFORE US, THE, THE TWO STORY AREA, THIS BUILDING BEFORE AND THIS BUILDING REALLY, UH, UH, PROVIDED AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF. 
          ONE OF THE CHARACTERISTICS AND CRITERIA THAT WE USE AND, AND I'M REMINDED OF ONE PROJECT THAT CAME 
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BEFORE US WHERE THE YOUNG LADY KNEW WHO THE ARCHITECT WAS THAT WAS, THAT DID ALL THESE HOUSES ON A PARTICULAR STREET. 
          WE HAD QUESTIONS AND SHE HAD ANSWERS THAT SAID THINGS LIKE, WHAT'S THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS ARCHITECT? THAT HE PUT THIS WINDOW HERE AND IT'S CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS ARCHITECT THAT HE DID THIS OVER HERE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO GO, OH, WE CAN SEE THAT SHE'S VERY EDUCATED IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECT THAT SHE'S CITING, RIGHT? WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE THREE HOUSES OR THESE THREE PROJECTS TOGETHER, IT, IT BECOMES VERY APPARENT THAT THE KIT OF PARTS THAT ARE BEING USED BY THIS DESIGNER MAKE UP THE IDENTIFYING CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS PARTICULAR DESIGNER. 
          SO TO SAY THAT IN A HUNDRED YEARS WHEN THESE HOUSES ARE BEING PRESERVED, THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE, WHEN SOMEONE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, BUY THE HOUSE AND BRING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE, AND TO SAY THAT, OH, THE PEGGY DID HER HOUSES THIS WAY AND THIS IS A, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS A PEGGY HOUSE? WELL, BECAUSE SEE THE LITTLE SQUARE WINDOW SHE USED TO DO THIS. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE CAN ONLY BE EDUCATED RIGHT BY, UH, THE PAST. 
          AND THAT SOMEHOW THAT'S SUPPOSED TO CREATE A TREND IN OUR THINKING. 
          AND I THINK AT THE HEIGHT OF THE EXAMPLE OF OUR ABILITY TO, UM, UH, DECIPHER TO, TO DIGEST ALL OF THE INTELLIGENCE THAT WE CLAIM TO HAVE, THAT THE HISTORY WILL RECORD THAT WE CONTRADICT OURSELVES. 
          IT'S SUCH A LEVEL THAT RATHER THAN SHOW OUR INTELLIGENCE, IT REALLY DOES KIND OF PROVIDE A WINDOW INTO A POSSIBLE IGNORANCE. 
          THAT IF THESE HOUSES ARE ENABLED TO HAVE WHAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY INTENTIONAL THREAD OF IDENTIFIABLE ELEMENTS IN THE KIT OF PARTS OF THIS PARTICULAR DESIGNER WHO GOD WILLING WILL GO ON TO DO HUNDREDS MORE HOUSES, THAT IN THE END SOMEONE WILL FIND HER HOUSE AND NOT KNOW WHO DID IT BECAUSE WE PERVERTED HER DESIGN INTENT. 
          SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THIS MOMENT. 
          AND I, AND I APPRECIATE, UH, TAKING THIS TIME THAT I BELIEVE IS RELEVANT TO, UM, THIS PROJECT BECAUSE ANY ALTERATIONS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE REQUEST ARE RELEVANT TO THIS. 
          AND MOST DEFINITELY, IF ANYBODY HERE CAN OFFER A WINDOW INTO WHAT TO ME DEFINES A CRIME OF DESIGN THAT THAT WE SURELY ARE GUILTY OF THAT CRIME OF DESIGN. 
          MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          UM, WELL SINCE MS. BRIMHALL HAS AGREED TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND MADE, UH, COMMENTS ON HOW SHE WOULD, UH, MEET THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I WOULD, UH, LOOK FOR A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SABINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          SO MADAN AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND LA AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES AND I WANNA THANK YOU MS. BRIMHALL FOR LISTENING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO STAFF AND THE COMMISSIONERS AND, UH, WORKING WITH US TO GET TO, UM, HOPEFULLY SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS FOR YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT AND I WILL KEEP ON KEEPING ON . 
          HAVE A GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA 
          [22. Address/Description: 114 BOSTON HDRC Case No.: 2021444 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Jaime Jimenez/Jaime Jimenez Idea Studio Request: Construction of an addition, site work, driveway and walkway replacement City Council Dist.: 2]
ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 4 4 4 1 14 BOSTON. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. 
          TWO ONE CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION FEATURING APPROXIMATELY 622 SQUARE FEET TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT ONE 14 BOSTON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY WITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT TWO TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY WITH THE NEW CONCRETE WALKWAY. 
          AND THREE, TO REPLACE THE EXISTING RIBBON STRIP DRIVEWAY WITH THE SOLID CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ADDITION SHOULD PRIMARILY BE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, SHOULD NOT INCREASE THE MASSING AND WIDTH OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND SHOULD FEATURE MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY, PROVIDED THAT IT IS REPLACED IN KIND WITH THE MATCHING PROFILE BASED ON FINDINGS, EXCUSE ME, BASED ON FINDING G STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE RIBBON STRIP DRIVEWAY WITH THE SOLID CONCRETE DRIVEWAY BASED ON FINDING H THE APPLICANT. 
          MR. JAIME JIMENEZ IS, UH, WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
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AND MR. JIMENEZ, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. 
          HEAR ME GUYS? YES, WE CAN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE UM, I TALKED TO THE OWNER AND HE AGREED WITH THE STAFF, UM, COMMISSION. 
          UM, SO WE'LL GO, WE'LL GO BACK, UH, WE'LL WE'LL DO THE ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THAT WAY WE CAN LEAVE THE WIDTH OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          OKAY, I THINK WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          YES, PUBLIC COMMENTS PLEASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LILY FRANCOIS AND I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN STREET. 
          AND ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNA WOODY HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS ON H D R C CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 4 4 1 14 BOSTON STREET. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION THAT THE ADDITION BE ALLOWED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOME, BUT BE MOVED BACK FAR ENOUGH TO DISASSOCIATE IT FROM THE FRONT FACADE AND TO ALLOW FOR TWO VEHICLES TO PARK END TO END WITHOUT BLOCKING THE FUTURE SIDEWALK OR EASEMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. JIMENEZ, SINCE YOU HAVE UH, TALKED TO THE OWNER AND AGREED TO THE STIPULATION ABOUT REORIENTING THE ADDITION, UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER UH, ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW YOU TO, UH, DEVELOP YOUR PLANS FURTHER AND THEN COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION? YES PLEASE. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE. 
          HAVE A MOTION. 
          CAN WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          MOTION IS SECOND. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          FISH. 
          WE COULDN'T QUITE HEAR THAT. 
          AYE SABINA AYE. 
          QUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          SO AYE GROUP AYE. 
          THATER AYE. 
          LA AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 
          [23. Address/Description: 3215 ROOSEVELT AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021373 Historic District Name: Mission Applicant: Douglas Caffey/Empire Canopy Sign and Construction Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 3]
23 EDWARD, BEFORE WE GO. 
          SO THIS IS MISSY RAMOS. 
          THIS IS HER CASE. 
          THIS WILL BE UH, STACY HURST. 
          OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 3 73 32 15 ROOSEVELT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT THE FUEL SERVICE STATION AT 32 15 ROOSEVELT. 
          WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, ONE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING POLE SIGN WITH A MONUMENT SIGN, THE FEATURE AND OVERALL HEIGHT OF FIVE FEET AND AN APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET IN WIDTH FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF 60 SQUARE FEET, INCLUDING THE BASE IN BOTH SIDES. 
          THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGNAGE PANELS EQUALS 50 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE WILL FEATURE EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION. 
          TWO TO INSTALL A SIGNAGE FASCIA ON EACH OF THE, ON EACH SIDE OF THE EXISTING FUEL CANOPY. 
          THE SIGNAGE FASCIA WILL READ SOCO ON THE FRONT EAST AND THE LEFT WEST ELEVATIONS. 
          THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE FACIA WILL FEATURE A LENGTH OF APPROXIMATELY 36 FEET ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS AND APPROXIMATELY 24 FEET SIX INCHES ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS. 
          THE APPLICANT APPLICATION NOTES AT THE EXISTING CANOPY FLOODLIGHTS MAY ALSO BE USED TO ILLUMINATE THE FASCIA SIGNAGE AND THREE TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AND GRAPHICS ON EAST ON THE EXISTING FUEL PUMP. 
          ON THE EXISTING FUEL PUMPS TOTALING TWO FUEL PUMPS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW MONUMENT SIGN BASED ON FINDING C. 
          WITH THE STIPULATION AT THE SIGNAGE FEATURE, METAL FACES PLASTIC FASCIA SHOULD NOT BE INSTALLED. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          THE INSTALLATION OF FASCIA SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE BE ELIMINATED, PAINTING THE FASCIA AND BRANDED COLORS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE FUEL PUMP SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE SIGNAGE IS NOT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED. 
          STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THE REMOVAL OF ALL EXISTING SIGNAGE INCLUDING WINDOW GRAPHICS AS NOTED IN FINDING C HAD THE APPLICANT MS. STACY HURST HERE WITH US. 
          HI. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          SO IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CANOPY FASCIA AND I NOTED THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO PAINT IT A BRANDED COLOR. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? 
          [01:45:01]
THAT IS CORRECT. 
          UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE FASCIA TO BE PAINTED BRANDED COLORS. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE THE ELIMINATION OF THE SUNCO TEXT AS WELL AS THE SUNCO DOMINANT AND ARROW THAT ARE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO Y'ALL ARE REQUESTING NO BRANDING ON THE CANOPY AT ALL EXCEPT FOR A BRANDED COLOR? UH, THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT, I MEAN I'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK TO OUR CLIENT, BUT I'M SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SUNOCO IS A VERY CORPORATE COMPANY. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY WILL ALLOW US TO CHANGE THE FASCIA TO JUST A SOLID COLOR 'CAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF THEIR BRAND STANDARDS. 
          I'M NOT SURE THEY WOULD ALLOW THAT. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY OPTION TO POSSIBLY GO WITH A NEUTRAL COLOR AND STILL HAVE LIKE THE SUNOCO SIGN IN WHITE TO GET SOME TYPE OF SIGNAGE UP ON THE CANOPY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THE BRANDED FUEL STATION BEFORE THEY'RE PULLING IN? I KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A MONUMENT SIGN, BUT IT'S NOT EXTREMELY BIG AS YOU CAN SEE. 
          SO IT'S JUST TO DRIVE SOME MORE TRAFFIC SO THEY KNOW WHAT TYPE OF GAS STATION THEY'RE COMING INTO BEFORE THEY'RE PULLING IN. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES MA'AM. 
          OR IS THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENTS? YEAH, AND I, AND I THINK TO THE APPLICANT, I KIND OF AGREE WITH STEPH AND I GUESS IT'S ALSO ABOUT NOT BEING, UM, MOUNTING SOMETHING ON THE CANOPIES. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA AVOID. 
          IT, IT'S ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN THAT RESULTS WHEN IT'S ON THE CANOPY. 
          'CAUSE THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT 'CAUSE THE SIGN IS WITHIN THE FASCIA SYSTEM. 
          SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO TAKE THE OLD OUTDATED STANDING SEAM ROOF STYLE FASCIA SYSTEM DOWN OFF THE CANOPY AND PUTTING FLAT FASCIA AND, AND HOLD ON MISS, I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. 
          IS THAT OR REALLY IS IT BAD OR, YEAH. 
          IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN MAYBE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MS. STACEY? UM, OR JUST REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          SO CURRENTLY THERE'S GREEN FASCIA UP ON THE CANOPY THAT'S LIKE A STANDING SEAM ROOF MATERIAL. 
          SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO COME DOWN AND A SOLID FASCIA, FLAT FASCIA PANEL BE PUT UP, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WHAT PEOPLE DO NOW WITH GAS STATIONS. 
          AND MY COMMENT ABOUT THE SIGNAGE IS, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGNAGE BECAUSE THE SIGNAGE WOULD BE WITHIN THE FASCIA SO THAT THE CANOPY SIGNS WOULD NOT BE ANY TALLER THAN WHAT THE FASCIA SYSTEM IS GONNA BE. 
          AND STAFF UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO, UH, THE MISSION THAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT VISIBILITY FROM THAT AREA STAFF ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW SUNOCO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET US BRAND THIS STORE SUNOCO WITH THE GREEN FASCIA THAT'S UP THERE NOW. 
          SO WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS ON WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA BE ALLOWED TO DO? NO, NO, TO CLARIFY, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF, OF ALTERING THE CANOPY TO INCLUDE THE BRANDED COLORS AND THE NEW FASCIA. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING LETTERS TO BE MOUNTED TO THAT CANOPY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE PAINT LETTERS, IS IT, IS IT THE THREE DIMENSIONAL MOUNTING OR IS IT ACTUALLY THE WORDING THAT'S AN ISSUE? UH, PERHAPS IT BE STAFF CAN READ THE FINDING. 
          UM, SO, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO INSTALL A FASCIA, FASCIA SIGNAGE ON EACH OF THE EXISTING FUEL CANOPY. 
          THE FASCIA WILL READ SCO ON THE FRONT EAST AND LEFT SOUTH ELEVATIONS. 
          THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE FASCIA WOULD FEATURE A LENGTH OF APPROXIMATELY 36 FEET ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS AND APPROXIMATELY 24 FEET SIX INCHES ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS. 
          THE APPLICATION NOTES THAT THE EXISTING FLOODLIGHTS MAY BE USED TO ELIMINATE THE FASCIA SIGNAGE STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE ON THE EAST AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS IS IN EXCESS OF THAT WHICH IS RECOMMENDED BY THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          THE FASCIA SIGNAGE WOULD BE A, WOULD FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 70 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE THAT READS SOCO. 
          GENERALLY STAFF FINDS THAT PROPOSED SIGNAGE TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND MISSION MANUAL AS IT EXCEEDS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE RECOMMENDED BY THE GUIDELINES STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED FROM THE REQUEST PAINTING THE FASCIA IN BRANDED COLORS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE PAINTING THE EXISTING FASCIA THAT IS UP THERE, WHICH IS, IS A STANDING SEAM ROOF STYLE FASCIA SYSTEM. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          HOWEVER, IF THERE WAS A NEW APPLIED PANEL TO THAT FASCIA, THAT WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE MINUS SIGNAGE. 
          [01:50:04]
OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE SCREEN. 
          SO ARE Y'ALL WANTING ALL OF IT TO BE SIMILAR TO THE BOTTOM TWO PANELS? SO EVERYTHING WOULD BE BLUE WITH THE LIGHT BLUE STRIPE OR DOES IT NEED TO BE SOLID BLUE? THE BOTTOM TWO PANELS AS PROPOSED ARE APPROPRIATE FOR ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE CANOPY? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, ONE OF Y'ALL'S COMMENTS WAS THAT THE SIGNAGE IS OVER SQUARE FOOTAGE, SO IS THERE A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE IF WE CAN FIT A SUNOCO SIGN WITHIN A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE? CAN WE HAVE ONE? I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A SUNOCO STANDPOINT AND THEY'RE GONNA WANT WHATEVER I CAN DO TO GET THEIR BRAND UP ON THE CANOPY. 
          THEY'RE GONNA WANT THEIR NAME ON IT. 
          CERTAINLY THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND ONE MAJOR AND TWO MINOR SIGNS FOR SIGNAGE NOT DIG SEED 50 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          OKAY, SO DO WE NEED TO RESUBMIT SOMETHING SHOWING THE, THE MUTED OUT PANELS WITH JUST THE BLUE AND THE LIGHT BLUE AND THEN JUST THE SMALLEST SUNOCO SIGN THEY MAKE MAYBE ON JUST ONE FASCIA, YOU KNOW, ONE SIDE OF THE FASCIA SO THAT IT'S NOT SO OVERBEARING, BUT IT GIVES ME A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY WITH SUNOCO TO SAY, HEY, YES, MS. CAFF, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A, UH, REASONABLE SUGGESTION TAKING STAFF'S COMMENTS AND, UM, REVISING YOUR SUBMITTAL AND COMING BACK TO US. 
          I BELIEVE WE COULD, UH, ACT ON THIS FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WILL GET WITH SUNOCO CORPORATE AND SEE WHAT OPTIONS THEY HAVE FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS AND SEE WHAT THE SMALLEST BRANDED SIGNAGE THEY CAN COME UP WITH AND WE WILL RESUBMIT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          SO THAT'S A WITHDRAWAL AND WE DON'T NEED A MOTION. 
          UH, WELL, UH, FROM A UH, I WANTED TO ASK IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE MONUMENT SIGN. 
          UH, SINCE STAFF HAS PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE MONUMENT SIGN, UM, AT LEAST THAT COULD GO AHEAD AND BE UNDERWAY. 
          UH, THE MONUMENT SIGN YES, INCLUDED THE REMOVAL OF A POLL SIGN, SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          YES, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO APPROVE THE MONUMENT SIGN. 
          UH, THE CURRENT LEAD TIME ON THAT IS EXTENSIVE, SO IF WE CAN GET THAT INTO PRODUCTION, WE WILL BE A STEP AHEAD. 
          UM, SO DEFINITELY IF WE CAN GET THAT APPROVED. 
          AND THEN HAVE Y'ALL MADE A MOTION ON THE UNDER CANOPY PUMPS? Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH THAT TOO? STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE FUEL, THE, THE PUMP SIGNAGE? YES. 
          OKAY, MR. SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THAT, THAT WAY WE CAN AT LEAST GET THIS STORE PUMPING SUNOCO FUEL. 
          MR. I CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES SIR. 
          I CAN MAKE A MOTION HERE TO GET THIS MOVING. 
          I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THAT'S THE MONUMENT SIGN IN THE PUMP SIGNAGE AND, UH, REMAND ITEM TWO TO A D R C. 
          SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          A FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SINA AYE. 
          QUEZ AYE. 
           AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          ZER AYE. 
          LA AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR ADJUSTING THIS SOUND. 
          EVEN COMMISSIONER FISH SOUNDS BETTER. 
          , THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          HAVE A GREAT DAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          GIVE US ONE MOMENT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE APPLICANT FOR THE NEXT ITEM. 
          UH, I, SO MISSY RAMOS IS WHO WE COORDINATED WITH TO ATTEND. 
          I DON'T SEE HER ON MY ATTENDEE, BUT THERE ARE A FEW ADDITIONAL NAMES. 
          SO IF YOU ARE, UM, HERE TO REPRESENT THE NEXT CASE, 10 0 3 NORTH HACKBERRY AND YOU'RE ON MY ATTENDEES LIST, UM, PLEASE, UH, SEND EDWARD AN EMAIL. 
          YOU SHOULD HAVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION AND WE'LL PIPE YOU IN. 
          BUT OTHERWISE I SUGGEST WE MOVE ON TO ANOTHER CASE WHERE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENT. 
          YEAH, WE WILL KEEP GOING IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE COMMISSIONER. 
          YES. 
          CASE NUMBER 25, ITEM NUMBER 
          [25. Address/Description: 232 LAVACA ST HDRC Case No.: 2021380 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Clint Belew/BelewHouse LLC Request: Removal of rear addition, construction of 2story rear addition, exterior modifications, site modifications City Council Dist.: 1]
25 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 
          [01:55:01]
THREE EIGHT ADDRESS, 2 32 LAVACCA. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL TWO STORY REAR ADDITION TWO, CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR ADDITION, AND THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH COLUMNS WITH ROUND COLUMNS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH P. 
          IF THE H D R C FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT AND RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS APPLY. 
          ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ROOF FORMS ON THE LOT AND IN THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC ROOF FORMS. AS NOTED IN BIND J STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE A SIMILAR ROOF FORM AS THE EXISTING ADDITION. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE MATERIAL PALLETS THAT MINIMIZE THE VISUAL WEIGHT OF THE REAR ADDITION. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING EYE THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN ALL EXISTING WINDOW LOCATIONS AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A WINDOWS SCHEDULE THAT ILLUSTRATES ANY WINDOWS TO REPLACED ON THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE IF APPLICABLE. 
          ALONG WITH SUPPORTING EVIDENCE THAT THE WINDOW SASHES ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR, ALL EXISTING OPENINGS MUST BE RETAINED. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDINGS L THROUGH O FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS THAT MEET STAFF'S STIPULATIONS IN THE RECOMMENDATION FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SAME METAL ROOF THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS AS LISTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN ALL CHIMNEYS DORM EVENTS, DORMER SHINGLES, AND OTHER SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. 
          AND SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS DRAWINGS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR ANY PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCING FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          THE APPLICANT CLINT IS ON THE LINE. 
          HEY THERE, THANKS FOR HAVING US, US AGAIN. 
          UM, AS, AS BEFORE, AS FAR AS ALL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WE ARE FOR EVERY, I THINK THE ONLY NEW ONE MIGHT BE THE PROPOSED FENCE, UM, WHICH WE ARE ALSO OKAY WITH. 
          SO EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR ONE AND TWO. 
          I MEAN, THEORETICALLY WE'RE, WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH ALL OF 'EM, BUT WE'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE OF THE D R C MEETINGS AND, AND REALLY TRIED TO WORK, WORK, UH, REALLY HAND IN HAND AND, AND WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH, WITH WHAT IS, UH, WHAT HAS COME OUT OF IT ACTUALLY. 
          SO, NO, UH, NO HATE FROM US. 
          WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST HAPPY AS, AS THE WAY IT'S COME. 
          WE'VE HAD TO REDUCE SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE MINIMIZING THE, UH, THE REAR ADDITION AS WHAT'S ASKED. 
          UM, AS FAR AS NUMBER ONE, TO MODIFY THE ROOF FORM TO BE MORE CONSISTENT. 
          UM, THERE'S MANY ROOF, UH, FORMS IN THIS AREA AS WELL AS VERY CLOSE BY THAT HAVE A VERY SIMILAR, UH, ROOF FORM, WHICH, UM, ALSO WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED WAS TO ADJUST THE WINDOWS, WHICH WE DID. 
          WE WE WANTED TO DO. 
          UM, ALL THE, ALL THE EXISTING WINDOWS WILL BE STAYING AND THEN THE, UM, THE NEW WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE PUT IN IS TO, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE ON A WINDOW SCHEDULE THAT WE DID ATTACH, BUT WE USE THE SAME SIZING AS THE WINDOWS AND WOULD LIKE TO USE A, A WOOD METAL CLAD, UM, WINDOW. 
          SO, UM, AS AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE TO REALLY BLEND WITH, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICAL AND, AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT ITS PLACE, BUT ALSO, UM, SHOWING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF A NEW STRUCTURE THAT'S, THAT'S NOT 115 YEARS, UH, OLD AS WELL, BUT A, A NICE BLEND TO GO WITH IT. 
          AND THAT'S ALSO GOES WITH THE, UM, WITH THE, UH, SIDING THAT WAS USED. 
          UM, THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S THREE HOUSES DIRECTLY DOWN THE STREET, UM, ALL NEXT TO THIS ONE THAT I'LL HAVE METAL, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO, TO WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING AS WELL AS, UM, UM, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, WHICH I THINK WAS BACK TO THE FIRST ONE. 
          I THINK THIS IS OUR THIRD ONE NOW. 
          BUT, UM, TO REALLY ALLOW, UH, AN EXTENUATED, UM, LIKE THAT SEPARATION WITH THAT CURTAIN WINDOW, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE A FLOOR TO CEILING FROM AN INTERIOR. 
          WE REMOVED WHAT WOULD ORIGINALLY HAVE BEEN A BATHROOM, AND THEN WE REMOVED WHAT WAS A SITTING AREA, A SEATING AREA. 
          UM, ALSO WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS IN ORDER TO REALLY, REALLY MINIMIZE WHAT, WHAT IS GOING ON, ON THE REAR, WE PUT IN A, A REAR, UM, A REAR PORCH, WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALSO SAID. 
          AND THIS IS ALSO SET BACK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY MINI MINIMIZING THE, THE SECOND FLOOR COMING UP AND, AND, UM, JUST BRINGING IT TO THAT STREET LEVEL WITH, WITH THE PORCHES AND ALMOST BEING THAT IT'S ON A CORNER A LIKE A THREE FRONT ISH, UM, HOME, JUST, I FEEL LIKE IT REALLY FRONTS THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU MR. BELU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO, WE DON'T. 
          NO. 
          UM, I WAS ON A COUPLE OF THE DRCS WITH THE APPLICANT AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO COMMISSION COMMENTS 
          [02:00:01]
AND, UM, ADDRESSING THE, THE SCALE AND MATERIALS OF THE REAR ADDITION, KEEPING IT, UH, NO HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          UH, LOOKING AT THE EXISTING HOUSE FOR PRECEDENTS ON WINDOW PROPORTIONS AND, UM, HAVING A DEFINITE, UM, SEPARATION BETWEEN THE, UH, HISTORIC HOUSE AND THE NEW ADDITION WITH THE, UH, LITTLE SLOT CORRIDOR WITH THE, UH, GLASS AND THE METAL SIDING, UH, AND ALSO ADDING WINDOWS ON THE, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S THE WEST SIDE, WHICH WAS A COMMENT MADE PREVIOUSLY. 
          YES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS, MR. CHAIR? YES, MS GROUP. 
          I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO, UH, APPLAUD THE APPLICANT. 
          WE, I WAS ALSO AT ANOTHER D R C I THINK YOU'RE THE CLEAR EXAMPLE OF HOW D R C CAN REALLY MAKE, UNDERSTAND THE GUIDELINES AND MAKE A PROJECT BETTER. 
          I THINK YOU'VE REALLY HAVE, UM, I THINK THIS IS, I DIDN'T EXPECT I DIDN'T EXPECT THIS. 
          YOU DID REALLY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, MS. SAVINA. 
          OH, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UM, WITH COMMISSIONER GRU, UM, FROM THE STARTING POINT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, IT'S, UM, REALLY TRANSFORMED TREMENDOUSLY, UM, CONTINUITY IN THE SHARING OF WINDOW TYPES MATERIALS IS REALLY ALLOWING THIS TO GO A LONG WAY. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE UH, TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT HAVE YOU SHARED THIS WITH EITHER ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP JUST TO GET SOME FEEDBACK? UH, YES. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I'M, THE, THE GOOD NEWS IS, I GUESS IS THAT I'M THE ADJOINING NEIGHBOR AS WELL, SO I I LOVE IT AND APPROVE  . 
          YOU HAVE TO ACCUSE YOURSELF . 
          YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I'M PROBABLY, I'M, I'M TEASING. 
          YES. 
          UH, MY, MY NEIGHBOR ALSO DIRECTLY NEXT TO ME AS WELL. 
          UM, HER NAME IS LORETTA AND SHE, SHE ABSOLUTELY LOVES IT. 
          I SHARED IT WITH, UM, SOME OTHER PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IRBY, WHO'S AN ARCHITECTURE, UH, OR WHO'S AN ARCHITECT OVER THERE AT ALAMO. 
          UM, HE WAS EXTREMELY PLEASED WITH IT. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY MET WITH YESTERDAY, UM, RICK, WHO'S OF RICO'S, WHICH IS A, A PROMINENT BUSINESS HERE IN THE AREA. 
          HE WAS, UH, THRILLED WITH IT AND, AND, UH, THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING VERY, VERY NICE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND WE ACTUALLY DROVE BY TO COME CHECK IT OUT. 
          HE WAS REALLY EXCITED. 
          ALSO JUST MET WITH JODY. 
          I'VE MET WITH, MET WITH, UH, THE TREVINOS, WHICH, UM, QUITE A BIT ON THE 300 BLOCK. 
          AND, AND THEY'RE THRILLED AS WELL. 
          I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO SEE QUITE AN EYESORE COME TO LIFE. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          UM, I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH EACH AND EVERY PAGE, BUT DID WE AGREE THAT THE WINDOWS IN THE HISTORIC HOUSE WOULD REMAIN? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND THERE ARE NO NEW WINDOWS. 
          AND WERE YOU ABLE TO PUT A NOTATION THAT ALL, UH, HISTORIC MATERIALS EXISTING ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE TO BE REMAIN, TO REMAIN OR REPAIRED, UM, IN KIND? UH, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAD DURING THE D R C THAT WE MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC MATERIAL ON THE MAIN HOUSE AS POSSIBLE. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THAT'S THE, UM, THE, I MEAN, AT, AT THIS MOMENT, EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE, THAT'S IN NICE CONDITION, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE EXTREMELY HAPPY TO KEEP IT. 
          UM, THERE'S THINGS THAT AREN'T THERE. 
          I E THE, UH, THE FRONT PORCH, UM, THE ROUND, UH, COLUMNS, THOSE, THOSE AREN'T EVEN IN EXISTENCE. 
          UM, SO SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T, AREN'T THERE OBVIOUSLY WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY. 
          BUT YES, EVERYTHING THAT IS THERE IS, IS TO STAY. 
          AND I BELIEVE IT'S NOTATED ON THE PLAN AND IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, PUT IN RED LETTERS AS WELL. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          I'M GOING TO DO A MOTION. 
          YES, MR. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MR. MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A COMMENT, THE, UM, TO THE DESIGNER. 
          I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL PROJECT. 
          UM, BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, BUT I, I JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE COMMISSION, THIS HOUSE BREAKS ALL THE RULES. 
          THE, THE LAST, UH, APPLICANT BROKE AND I HAVE A HARD TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OUT WHY ONE IS ALLOWED TO AND THE OTHER ONE'S NOT. 
          LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE NON OPERABLE WINDOWS. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I DO CELEBRATE THE COMMISSION'S, UM, USING ITS DISCRETION TO, TO, TO BE AN ENABLER OF GOOD DESIGN LIKE THIS. 
          UH, I, BUT I DO HAVE A HARD TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTRADICTIONS. 
          I PUT MYSELF IN THE SEAT OF THE, OF MANY 
          [02:05:01]
OTHER APPLICANTS. 
          AND THERE ARE DAYS WHERE THIS COMMISSION ABSOLUTELY MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL, BUT IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON THIS BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          AND ACTUALLY I'LL, I'LL TOUCH ON THAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THIS PROJECT VERY WELL, AND I GUESS IT'S, UM, THE, THERE'S THREE HOMES AROUND THIS HOME THAT HAS THAT TYPE OF WINDOW AND THAT TYPE OF DESIGN. 
          SO WE, EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER IS WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE PLACED AND THE BLOCK AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT SURROUNDING. 
          SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS. 
          SO NO, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE MR. CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON WITH A MOTION. 
          WELL, J JUST, JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT, THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT, THAT ASKS EVERY COMMISSION IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO CONSIDER. 
          UM, ITS, UH, UH, UM, UM, DECISION MAKING PROCESSES THROUGH AN EQUITY LENS. 
          SO THE, THE HIGHER ECONOMICS OF A COMMUNITY ARE GONNA PROVIDE A MUCH WIDER DEFINITION OF WHAT IS ARCHITECTURALLY ENABLED. 
          BUT IF YOU APPLY THAT EQUITY LENS, THEN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR DISCRETION HAS TO EXPAND WITH RESPECT TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, A SIX, UH, UH, A SIX DIGIT COMMUNITY VERSUS A FIVE DIGIT COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE EMPOWERED TO EMPOWER, BUT ECONOMICALLY IT SEEMS LIKE WE ONLY EMPOWER THE MOST ALREADY EMPOWERED. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MS. GRU. 
          AND FEEL FREE ANY COMMISSIONERS TO, UH, INTERRUPT ME. 
          I THINK THAT A, UH, STIPULATION ONE AND TWO WILL NOT APPLY. 
          I AM GONNA REMOVE THOSE TWO. 
          'CAUSE I AM GONNA, IT'S A CONCENTRA APPROVAL AS THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTING IT TODAY. 
          I'LL LEAVE, UM, STIPULATION THREE. 
          EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT DID SAY THAT ALL EXISTING WINDOWS ARE REMAINING, THIS IS JUST ADDING A WINDOW SCHEDULE AND JUST HAVING IT IN WRITING I GUESS. 
          UM, SO KEEPING STIPULATION 3, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND IN YOUR DISCUSSION. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SINA? AYE. 
          QUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ZER. 
          AYE. 
           AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          OKAY, STEPHANIE, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA MOVE TO THE PREVIOUS CASE. 
          WE HAND THE APPLICANT ALL ALONG, WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW IT. 
          SO ONE SECOND. 
          AGENDA 
          [24. Address/Description: 1003 N HACKBERRY ST HDRC Case No.: 2021458 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Lawrence Briseno/New Comfort Homes Inc Request: Window installation on an addition, construction of a side deck City Council Dist.: 2]
ITEM NUMBER 24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 4 58 10 0 3 NORTH HACKBERRY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. 
          TWO, ONE, CREATE A NEW WINDOW OPENING ON AN EXISTING EDITION AND INSTALL AN ALUMINUM WINDOW WITHIN THE CREATED OPENING. 
          AND TWO, TO CONSTRUCT A SIDE DECK TO FEATURE A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 84 SQUARE FEET. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF A WINDOW WITHIN THE EXISTING ADDITION WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE WINDOW IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING B AND THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DECK IS NOTED IN FINDING C I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S, UH, MR. LAWRENCE CINIO AND MS. C RAMOS ARE ON NOW. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S PRIMARY, UH, DISAGREEMENT WITH STAFF IS SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO THE WINDOW THAT IS TO BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE ADDITION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MR. ZENIO, PLEASE PROCEED. 
          SO, UM, BASICALLY THERE WAS ALREADY WINDOWS HERE. 
          UM, I AM JUST TRYING TO MATCH WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED OUT, I GUESS 30 YEARS AGO. 
          THERE'S ALREADY ALUMINUM WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE HOUSE EXCEPT THESE, UM, SO I'M BASICALLY GONNA PUT THE SAME WINDOW BACK EXCEPT THIS IS GONNA BE A DOUBLE INSULATED LOW E WINDOW. 
          UM, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          I'M JUST, THEY'RE JUST BLACK WINDOWS DOUBLE INSULATED. 
          I DON'T FEEL THAT IF I DO AN IRON CLAD WOOD TYPE WINDOW ON ONLY TWO WINDOWS AND ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS DON'T MATCH THAT, IT'LL LOOK GOOD AS FAR AS, UM, THE AESTHETICS ON IT. 
          [02:10:01]
UM, SO I'M THE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE NOW, UM, THEY'RE A BROWN WINDOW, UH, SINGLE PANE ALUMINUM. 
          I'M JUST GONNA PAINT THE FRAME BLACK, JUST TRY TO MAKE 'EM LOOK NEWER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT I'M INSTALLING, SO THEY KIND OF ALL LOOK THE SAME. 
          UM, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I'M ASKING FOR. 
          AND THE SAME WINDOWS WERE APPROVED ACROSS THE STREET ON THE REAR STRUCTURE ON AN ADDITION, WHICH IS ALSO, THIS IS ALSO AN ADDITION AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LILY FRANCOIS AND I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN STREET. 
          AND ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNA WOODY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS ON H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 58 1003 NORTH HACKBERRY. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FURTHER. 
          FURTHERMORE, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE STRONGLY CONSIDERED THAT THE DECK BOARDS BE PLACED PERPENDICULAR TO THE STRUCTURE TO AID IN WATER RUNOFF AND THAT THE NEW WINDOWS BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS, NOT JUST ALUMINUM WINDOWS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, MS. GROUP? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT OR THE STAFF. 
          UH, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL OF THE SIDEWALK? 'CAUSE SHOULD THAT NOT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION AS WELL? THAT, UM, IT'S GONNA BE CONCRETE THERE. 
          UH, THERE'S CURRENTLY A SIDEWALK THAT'S THERE. 
          IT'S JUST CRACKED AND UNLEVEL. 
          I'M JUST CUTTING THE EXISTING ONE OUT, PUTTING THE EXACT SAME IN-KIND MATERIAL, UH, BACK IN PLACE. 
          AND I'M ADDING ANOTHER SIDEWALK JUST TO GO TO THE BACKYARD. 
          UM, AND IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME IN KIND MATERIAL CONCRETE, SHOULD THAT NOT BE PART OF THE APPLICATION AS WELL? THOSE ITEMS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          UM, I'M NOT FOR SURE IF THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS RECEIVED A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIVE COAS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DO WE HAVE A PICTURE OF WHAT THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE? I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE ONE HERE, BUT I CAN PULL ONE UP. 
          BEAR WITH ME ONE MINUTE. 
          SO MY COMMENTS WERE JUST GONNA BE THAT I, I'M, I CAN SUPPORT AN LA MEAN WINDOW IS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S EXISTING ALREADY, BUT I'M OPEN FOR THAT. 
          I JUST CAN'T SEE THAT FROM THE APPLICATION COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UM, I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE. 
          I BELIEVE THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ONE WINDOW AND THAT THE ONE WINDOW MATCH THE MAJORITY OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S TWO WINDOWS. 
          UM, THERE, THERE WAS ALREADY ONE ON IN THE RESTROOM THERE AND IT WAS AN ALUMINUM COLOR ALUMINUM WINDOW. 
          SO I WANTED TO CHANGE THAT SINCE I'M ADDING ONE THAT'S BLACK, I WANTED TO ADD ANOTHER ONE THAT'S BLACK AS WELL. 
          SO THEY BOTH MATCH ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE LAMAR STREET. 
          THE STAFF HAS MADE A, A NUMBER OF SITE VISITS TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, THE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE HOUSE ARE ALUMINUM. 
          UM, THEY ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TO BE INSTALLED. 
          UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS CONSISTENCY. 
          STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS NEW WINDOW THAT'S BEING INSTALLED BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND FOR ANY WINDOW BEING INSTALLED IN AN ADDITION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, IN THESE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S MINOR, THERE'S MINOR CHANGES AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE PRODUCT ON THE SITE. 
          UH, I GENERALLY SUPPORT, UH, THE APPLICANT IN THESE DECISIONS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FEELINGS ON THIS COMMISSION, SO, UH, I IMAGINE THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION WILL BE. 
          UH, WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION OF THAT, UH, NATURE AND THEN DISCUSS THE MOTION? OR SHOULD WE WAIT? I'D SAY GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION, THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. 
          SECOND. 
          HAVE A MOTION OR SECOND NOW, DO WE HAVE DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. 
          THEN I WILL HAVE A ROLL CALL FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          SO, MADAN AYE GROUP. 
          [02:15:01]
AYE. 
          ZER. 
          AYE. 
          UNE AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AS A NOTE, ITEMS 26 AND 27 HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY. 
          SO MOVING ON TO ITEM 28 1 11 
          [28. Address/Description: 111 CEDAR ST HDRC Case No.: 2021462 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Anthony Athens/Centro Properties Mngmnt LLC Request: Site and fencing modifications City Council Dist.: 1]
CEDAR STREET, H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 62. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. 
          TWO ONE, INSTALL A CONCRETE CURB CUT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH WILL CREATE A FRONT YARD PARKING CONDITION TO REMOVE APPROXIMATELY EIGHT FEET OF EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCING AT THE SIDEWALK, AS WELL AS THE FENCE FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE. 
          A PORTION OF THE EXISTING FENCE WILL BE INSTALLED BETWEEN THE NEW END OF THE FENCE AND THE BOTTOM OF THE SIDE STAIRWAY OF THE FRONT PORCH. 
          ITEMS ONE AND TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST ITEMS BASED ON BINDINGS A THROUGH C. 
          AND WE DO HAVE PROJECT REPRESENTATIVES VIRTUALLY WITH US TODAY. 
          MI, MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK, UH, STAFF TO CLARIFY SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY? SO, UM, THE, UM, THERE, THERE'S A PICTURE THAT SHOWS, UH, UH, TWO HOUSES. 
          THERE'S A RED CAR AND A TRUCK. 
          ARE WE, IS IS WHAT WE LOOKING AT ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOUSE THAT HAS THE ARCHED GATEWAY OR THE HOUSE WITH A LITTLE PICKET FENCE OR THE BEAR WITH ME? IT'S THIS HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, THE, THE CURB CUT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING ABOUT IS OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN ANTONIO AND DEBRA, I'VE MADE YOU BOTH PANELISTS, SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNMUTE. 
          YEAH. 
          HELLO? HELLO. 
          SEE IF MY HUSBAND'S THERE, TONY. 
          OKAY. 
          , WE'RE BOTH HERE. 
          YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          UM, I HAVE A, A FEW, UH, COMMENTS IN REGARD TO, UH, STAFF'S FINDINGS. 
          UH, STAFF HAS NOTED THAT THE FENCING MODIFICATIONS MAY BE ACCEPTABLE AND POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          I'M VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT. 
          UH, IF THE FENCING MODIFICATION WERE NOT TO BE APPROVED, WHEN MY NEIGHBOR BUILDS A FENCE DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT WOULD RESULT IN TWO FENCES, FIVE FEET APART, WHICH I DON'T THINK WOULD BE A, A VERY, UH, ATTRACTIVE CONDITION. 
          UH, STAFF HAS ALSO NOTED THAT THEY DO NOT FIND THAT THE INFILL OF THE AREA WITH CONCRETE AND A CURB CUT APPROPRIATE. 
          I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, I AM NOT INTENDING TO CREATE ANY NEW CONCRETE. 
          WHAT I'M ATTEMPTING TO DO IS MOVE THE FENCE TO ACCESS AN EXISTING CONCRETE PARKING PAD. 
          UH, THERE ARE STEPS COMING DOWN FROM THE FRONT PORCH TOWARD THAT AREA. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S FULLY CONCRETED IN AND I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT THIS WAS ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN HISTORICAL PARKING AREA AT THIS LOCATION. 
          FURTHERMORE, STAFF HAS NOTED THAT INTRODUCING NEW CURB CUTS WERE NOT HISTORICALLY FOUND SHOULD BE AVOIDED. 
          AND I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT SENTIMENT. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT IN FRONT OF THIS STRUCTURE, HISTORICALLY THERE WERE NO CURBS WHATSOEVER. 
          THE EXISTING CURB WAS ADDED AT OUR EXPENSE IN 2013 AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. 
          AND WE ALSO REPLACED THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AT OUR EXPENSE. 
          UH, FINALLY, UH, WE HAVE A BAR ADJACENT TO US BRUNO'S DIVE BAR. 
          THE PREVIOUS OPERATION ON THAT SITE, B AND D BARBECUE WAS ALLOWED TO ELIMINATE ALL OFFSITE PARKING AND TURN THAT OFFSITE, RATHER ON ONSITE PARKING. 
          UH, AND THEN TURNED IT INTO A PATIO SPACE. 
          THE CONTINUING BAR AND RESTAURANT DEVELOPMENT AND VICINITY WITH NO ONSITE PARKING HAS MADE IT, UH, JUST UNTENABLE TO TRY TO PARK REALLY ANYWHERE IN THE VICINITY ON THE STREETS, CERTAINLY IN FRONT OF OUR BUSINESS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT FOR YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO, THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          MAYBE STAFF CAN CLARIFY. 
          YES, MR. 
          [02:20:01]
SO THERE IS A CONCRETE CURB EXISTING TO THE RIGHT OF THE HOUSE CURRENTLY. 
          IT'S LIKE THERE IS CONCRETE BUT THERE IS NO CURRENTLY CURB ACCESS TO IT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS THAT A CURB DOES NOT BE INSTALLED HERE IN THIS PICTURE AS YOU SEE HERE BECAUSE IT WILL CREATE A FRONT YARD PARKING CONDITION. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING THAT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT OF US, WHERE THE RED CAR WAS, IS CURRENTLY IT WAS PURCHASED AND HE IS RECONSTRUCTING THE PROPERTY AND HE IS PLANNING TO PUT A, A FENCE AROUND HIS PROPERTY. 
          SO OUR PROPERTY GOES LIKE FIVE FEET INTO HIS DRIVEWAY. 
          SO HE'S PLANNING TO PUT A LONG FENCE AND A GATE IN FRONT OF WHERE THAT RED CAR IS, ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BACK SHED. 
          SO THERE'LL BE, THAT'S ONE REASON WE WANNA MOVE THAT FENCE OVER. 
          'CAUSE THERE'LL BE LIKE A LITTLE FIVE FOOT, THERE'S LIKE A FUNNY FIVE FOOT NARROW LONG LOT THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED. 
          BUT THE FENCE, IF WE MOVE IT OVER TO OUR PORCH WHERE THE STEPS ARE, WHICH THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY PARKING THERE AT SOME TIME BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CURB THERE AT ALL. 
          SO YOU COULD JUST GO UP THERE AND PARK. 
          WE ADDED THE CURB , WE ADDED THE CURB ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          UM, THERE WASN'T ONE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          A QUESTION. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN OLD, THAT'S AN OLD PHOTO YOU CAN SEE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          A QUESTION MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          A QUESTION, UM, YOU DO HAVE A DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I BELIEVE WHAT STAFF IS THE GUIDELINES ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU, WE TRY TO AVOID, IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED TO HAVE ANY FRONT YARD PARKING. 
          SO IF WE, IS THAT FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY? 'CAUSE WE'RE COMMERCIALLY ZONED. 
          I JUST, I WANT, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. 
          WE'RE IN A COMMERCIAL. 
          THIS IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. 
          SORRY, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AUDIO TROUBLE. 
          . 
          UM, THE, THE, TO, TO ANSWER THE APPLICANT, THE ZONING ISN'T REALLY THE RELEVANT PART OF THE GUIDELINES HERE. 
          THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IN NATURE AND WHILE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN CONCRETE THERE AT ONE POINT IN TIME THAT  COULD HAVE PARKED ON THE PARKING PATTERN SUGGESTS THAT THE CURB CUT AND THE PARKING AREA BE MAINTAINED TO THE NORTH. 
          SO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHAMELEON ASSOCIATION THAT THE, THAT THIS AREA SHOULDN'T BE MODIFIED TO FACILITATE FRONT YARD PARKING. 
          UM, I DO CONCUR WITH STAFF THAT THE IS PROBABLY ELIGIBLE FOR, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR ALTERATIONS TO INCREASE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, BUT NOT IN SUCH A MANNER THAT WOULD PERMIT FRONT YARD PARKING. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WAS THAT A MOTION COMMISSIONER? FISH COMMISSIONER GRU, IF YOU COULD HELP ME WITH A MOTION, I'D APPRECIATE IT. 
          I I DO AGREE WITH YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, UM, WOULD WE REMOVE ITEM ONE OF THE FENCING SINCE IT CAN'T BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVED AND NOT MAKE AN ACTION OR SHOULD JUST GO? I DON'T WANNA, UH, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, I THINK I'VE, I'VE GOT MY SCREEN WORKING AGAIN. 
          SORRY FOR THAT. 
          UM, I, I CONCUR WITH STAFF ON DENIAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO. 
          SO MOTION. 
          SO WE CAN MOVE THE, WE CANNOT MOVE THE FENCE OVER OR WE CAN, I'M CONFUSED. 
          DEFENSE IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL SO LONG AS IT IS NOT TO CREATE FRONT YARD PARKING AND AS PROPOSED, I BELIEVE IT'S FOR PARKING. 
          SO READY TO THE APPLICANT RELATED TO THAT QUESTION, , UM, IT WOULD ONLY LEGALLY BE ALLOWED FOR PARKING SHOULD A MATERIAL THAT IS RATED FOR PARKING BE APPROVED. 
          AND SO I D I'M NOT SEEING THAT THAT PART OF THE REQUEST IS APPROVED. 
          UM, AND SO I BELIEVE IT IS AGAINST CITY CODE TO PARK ON DIRT IN OUR FRONT YARD. 
          I BELIEVE IT HAS TO HAVE, IT'S, THERE'S NO DIRT THERE. 
          IT'S CONCRETE. 
          IT'S THIS CONCRETE NOW . 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN IT IS CURRENTLY CONCRETE, BUT THERE'S NO CURB. 
          SO HE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND SINCE THE NEIGHBOR'S PUTTING UP A FENCE, SO CURB CUT'S NOT APPROVED. 
          AND SO OUR PROPERTY GOES FIVE FEET INTO THAT DRIVEWAY INFORMATION. 
          THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THE NEIGHBOR. 
          AND HE'S GETTING, DO YOU SEE WHERE THE NEW SIDEWALK STOPS AND THE OLD SIDEWALK BEGINS? THAT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. 
          SO HE CLAIMS HE'S 
          [02:25:01]
GOING TO PUT A FENCE STRAIGHT UP THAT DRIVEWAY WHERE THE, WHERE OUR CONCRETE ENDS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BACK TO THE SHED AND THEN ACROSS IN FRONT WITH A GATE. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD US. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S HIS PROPERTY AND HE WANTS TO, WELL THE OTHER THING IS WITH THE DENIAL, THE APPLICANTS CAN GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND GET THAT APPROVED. 
          SO I GUESS IT'S THAT'S GREAT. 
          IN THEIR, IN THEIR, IN THEIR ADVANTAGE. 
          YES. 
          I'LL SECOND THE MOTION SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          I, I I WANNA ASK STAFF SOMETHING. 
          UH, IT, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT PICTURE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THAT TO THE, LOOKING AT THE SCREEN TO THE LEFT OF THAT SIDE FACADE IS A FIVE FOOT AREA THAT BELONGS TO THE PERSON THAT IS THE APPLICANT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I IS IS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IN THESE, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, UH, NUMBER TWO HERE, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE FENCE TO THE LEFT AND PREPARING FOR THE EVENTUAL EX, UH, FOR YOU TAKING YOUR FIVE FEET BACK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING IT TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          WELL, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF, IF A MOTION IS MADE, AND IT WOULD BE TO DENY ALL OF IT, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S, UH, ANY WAY TO, TO EMPOWER 'EM TO MOVE THEIR FENCE TO THE LEFT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE ABLE TO CONVINCE, UM, UH, OR TO MAKE A RATIONAL, UH, ARGUMENT FOR PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT PARTICULARLY BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE A DRIVEWAY. 
          IF YOU DIDN'T ALREADY HAVE THAT DRIVEWAY, THEN IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO SAY, WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY, BUT YOU DO HAVE A DRIVEWAY. 
          BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE HERE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IT ENABLES YOU TO MOVE THAT FENCE AND PREPARE FOR WHEN THAT NEW OWNER GIVES YOU BACK YOUR FIVE FEET CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF. 
          IF, IF IT'S, IF THE REMOVAL, REMOVAL OF THE, OR MOVING OF THE FENCE IS DENIED AS PART OF THIS MOTION, COULD THE APPLICANT COME BACK AND ASK FOR ADMIN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO MOVE THE FENCE BUT NOT HAVE FRONT YARD PARKING AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO ENFORCE THE PARKING. 
          I MEAN, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE PURVIEW ON IS THE TREATMENT OF THE SITE AND DESIGN INTERVENTIONS TO THE SITE. 
          UM, AND SO REALLY IT'S JUST THE FENCE AND CURB CUT, BUT IT IS CLEAR IN THE APPLICATION WHERE THE FENCE IS BEING MOVED. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE DENYING RIGHT NOW IS END OF THE FENCE AND THE BOTTOM OF THE SIDE STAIRWAY ON THE FRONT PORCH. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IT'S, IT SAYS RIGHT THERE WHAT WE'RE DENYING. 
          SO WE'RE NOT DENYING THE MOVE OF FENCE TO THE LEFT, THAT APPLICANT CAN COME BACK AND REQUEST THAT THAT'S A SEPARATE REQUEST. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          SO THE MOTION, I DON'T THINK THE NEED FOR MOTION IS THERE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS THAT RIGHT TO GO AND THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THE FENCE. 
          JUST NOT THAT PART THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, WHICH IS RED TO GREEN, CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT IS BEING DENIED. 
          YES. 
          SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? I DON'T KNOW. 
          FISH. 
          FISH. 
          I SAW HIM SAY A  A GO FISH. 
          WE GOT IT. 
          UH, SABINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          LAN AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ER AYE. 
           AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 
          [29. Address/Description: 310 E CAROLINA ST HDRC Case No.: 2021090 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Nicholas Melde/Architexas Request: Demolition of primary structure, new construction of primary structure and 2story rear addition City Council Dist.: 1]
29 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 0 9 3 10 EAST CAROLINA THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND TWO, RECONSTRUCT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE EXCLUDING CURRENT ADDITIONS AND CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR ADDITION ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REQUEST. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE DEMOLITION OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS ONE A THROUGH ONE E. 
          ITEM TWO. 
          IF THE H D R C FINDS THAT EITHER AN RE AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR FAILING THAT AN IR IRREVERSIBLE LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE HAS OCCURRED TO WARRANT APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS TWO A THROUGH TWO J. 
          ONE, IF THE EXISTING BUILDING IS TO BE RETAINED, A DEMOLITION PLAN MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION AND HOW IT WILL ATTACH TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          [02:30:01]
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW WOULD, OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS ARE RECOMMENDED AND SHOULD MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. 
          AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY FOR THE PROPOSED REAR EDITION AND THE APPLICANT NICK MELDY IS, WHICH WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, SHOULD I GO AHEAD AND GIVE A, UM, YES, SIR. 
          MR. MELDY, PLEASE PROCEED. 
          QUICK SUMMARY. 
          UM, SURE. 
          SO NICK, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE, I THINK, EXCUSE ME. 
          CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YEAH, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. 
          MAYBE JUST TRY SPEAKING CLOSER TO YOUR MIC. 
          SURE. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YOU'RE VERY, VERY LOW. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          IS THIS BETTER? UM, KEEP TALKING AND WE'LL SEE IF THEY CAN ADJUST YOU ON OUR END, BUT WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU. 
          HELLO? HELLO. 
          ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA TRY IT WITHOUT, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW? IS THIS BETTER? YES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'M GONNA TRY THAT WITHOUT, WITHOUT EARBUDS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, WE, UH, OR ORIGINALLY, UH, CAME TO, UH, UH, H D R C WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UH, I THINK BACK IN MARCH OR APRIL. 
          AND, UM, AT THAT TIME, UH, SO, SO, AND, AND, AND WE WERE KIND OF PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT I, I HAD NOT, UH, SEEN PROPOSED BEFORE, UM, IN THE H D R C. 
          AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH, UM, UH, UH, THROUGH A, UH, HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS BEFORE. 
          WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING A, UM, UH, RECONSTRUCTION OF THE, UH, EXISTING, UH, UH, UH, HOUSE AT, UH, THREE 10 CAROLINA. 
          UM, UH, JUST IN, IN, UH, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, THE, UH, UH, IT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UM, AND CAN BE SEEN FROM, UH, CAROLINA STREET HERE IN THIS, UH, FRONT IMI IN THIS IMAGE HERE. 
          UM, THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS AND STUDY, WE FOUND THAT, UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS, UH, UH, MADE OF STRUCTURAL CLAY TILE, UM, AND, UH, UH, AND, AND THAT THE, UH, FOUNDATION, UM, IS FAILING, UH, HERE, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT OF THE, UH, CLAY TILE WALLS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, THE, UH, POOR SOILS, UH, AND THE, UH, AND JUST THE, THE, THE MOVEMENT OVER TIME. 
          UM, SO WE WORKED WITH, UH, UH, CURTIS HUNT, UH, MASONRY, UM, ON, UM, ADDRESSING THE, UH, ISSUES TO SEE, UH, WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REHABILITATE THE EXISTING HOUSE, UM, UH, AND, AND MAINTAIN, UH, THE STRUCTURAL CLAY TILE WALLS. 
          UM, AND, UH, AND WE ALSO WORKED WITH, UM, UH, JOHN RUBA RUBA CONSTRUCTION TO GENERATE A, UH, COST ESTIMATE FOR, UH, THE REHABILITATION OF THE ORIGINAL THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UH, OF, OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE HERE. 
          UM, AND, UM, THEY DETERMINED THAT, UM, IT WOULD, UH, COME IN AT A, UH, I THINK ROUGHLY AROUND $447,000 JUST FOR THE, UH, A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND SO, UM, UH, WITH  THAT, AND THAT, THAT CURRENT COMES OUT TO ROUGHLY $432 A SQUARE FOOT, UH, OR, UH, AND, UH, AND SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S PRETTY HIGH COMPARED TO, UM, TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS. 
          UM, WHICH, UH, WE'RE SEEING IS AROUND, UH, BETWEEN 202 15 FOR, UH, SIMILAR BUT WOOD FRAMED, UH, CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND SO, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UM, RECONSTRUCT, UH, THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, UH, WITH, UH, TO, TO DEMOLISH THE, UH, THE, THE EXISTING, UH, UH, CLAY TILE STRUCTURE AND RECONSTRUCT IT WITH, UH, THE EXACT PROPORTIONS, WINDOW SIZES, UM, ACTUALLY PUT IN, UH, NEW AND BETTER WINDOWS THAN THE ONES THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE NOW, WHICH ARE JUST SINGLE PANE, UM, PICTURE WINDOWS, UH, ALUMINUM FRAME. 
          UH, AND, UH, AND, AND SO, UH, AND, AND SO THE, WITH THE INTENT THAT NO HISTORIC, UH, INTEGRITY WOULD BE, UH, LOST, UM, AS, AS IT'S SEEN FROM THE STREET, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND 
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THAT, UM, IT IS A UNIQUE CONSTRUCTION TYPE AND THAT STORY, UM, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE LOST. 
          BUT I, I CONTEND THAT, UM, WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE EXTERIOR, UM, FROM, FROM WHAT YOU SEE ON THE EXTERIOR, THERE'S NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT THE COMPOSITION OF THE STRUCTURE IS BEYOND THE STUCCO, UH, VENEER. 
          AND SO, UH, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE RECONSTRUCTION PROPOSAL, UH, FOR THE FRONT, UH, MAIN STRUCTURE, WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING, UH, AN ADDITION, UM, ONTO THE BACK, UH, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, AN EXTENSION OF THE LIVING SPACES AND A KITCHEN, AND ALSO, UH, TWO BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHROOMS. UM, AND THE, THE ADDITION WOULD BE, UH, MATERIALS THAT, UM, UH, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, STUCCO, UH, A STUCCO, UH, UH, WATER TABLE, UM, ON THAT, UM, ON THAT SIDE ELEVATION. 
          AND THEN, UH, BOR AND BATTEN, UH, A A COMBINATION OF BOR AND BATTEN AND HORIZONTAL, UM, UH, LAP SIDING AS WELL, UM, ON THE ADDITION. 
          SO, UM, I, UH, WELL, I, I, I, I GUESS I'LL ALSO ADD THAT I MET WITH, UH, D R C, UH, TWO OR THREE TIMES ON SITE, UH, TO REVIEW THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND ALSO, UM, MET WITH, UH, UH, I WAS ABLE TO, UH, UH, BRING ALONG, UH, CURTIS HUNT, UH, AND, UM, UH, I'M SORRY, IT'S CURTIS'S SON, COER HUNT, AS WELL AS JOHN OLA TO, UH, TO DISCUSS THE, UH, THE ISSUES AND THE COSTS, UH, THAT WE'RE SEEING WITH THE REHABIL, WITH THE IDEA OF REHABILITATING THE, UH, UH, THE EXISTING CLAY STRUCTURE. 
          SO, UM, UH, I, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU GUYS, UM, ASK QUESTIONS AND TAKE IT FROM THERE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, UM, I, I SAT IN ON A NUMBER OF THESE DRCS, MET WITH THE EXPERTS. 
          I THINK THIS IS A REALLY, UH, RARE CASE, UH, WHERE THE COMMISSION OR THE D R C RATHER DID SUPPORT DEMOLITION RECONSTRUCTION. 
          I THINK THE REALITY HERE IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REBUILT PIECE BY PIECE IN FOREFOOT SEGMENTS FOR MOST ITS ENTIRETY TO BE RESTORED, UH, OR RECONSTRUCTED IN THE METHOD AS PROPOSED. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THIS, THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO THE FULL COMMISSION, AND THERE WAS GENERAL CONSENSUS ON THAT ISSUE. 
          UH, THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE REAR ADDITIONS. 
          UM, I BELIEVE SLIDES 24 AND 25 REALLY SHOW SOME OF THE LINE OF SIGHT, UH, IMPACTS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY STAFF IN STIPULATION FOUR ON ITEM TWO, I BELIEVE ITEM ONE RELATED TO THE DEMOLITION OF RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO KICK THIS OFF, I WOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE. 
          I'D SECOND MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION I'D, UM, TO THE, TO THE, UH, THE APPLICANT. 
          IF STAFF COULD, COULD GO TO THE PAGE, UH, 27, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO KIND OF BRING ATTENTION TO THE BEAUTIFUL PROPORTIONS IN THE NICE WAY THAT THIS, THAT THIS BUILDING FLOWS, UH, COM, UH, COMPLIMENTS YOU ON A, A WONDERFUL BALANCE OF, OF YOUR LINE WEIGHTS. 
          I, UH, THE, THE WAY THAT YOU'VE DEALT WITH THAT BACK, UH, ADDITION THAT'S IN THE GREEN, UH, UH, TONE, SO BEAUTIFUL. 
          SO, UM, UH, JUST, UH, IT, IT'S ALWAYS WELL WORTH COMPLIMENTING PEOPLE ON THEIR WONDERFUL WORK. 
          SO, UM, GOOD WORK. 
          APPRECIATE IT, COMMISSIONER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER FISH'S ASSESSMENT. 
          I WAS ALSO ON SITE, UH, WITH THE MASONRY AND CONTRACTING EXPERTS AND, UM, I THINK RECONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE IS WARRANTED. 
          UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I'LL ADD THAT, UM, I ATTENDED A NUMBER OF THE D R C MEETINGS ON SITE TOO, AND I HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS ONE, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A UNIQUE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          UM, THE MOVE TO REBUILD THE ORIGINAL FRONT HOUSE AS IT IS WHERE IT IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WHEN WE DO DEMO THE, THEN THE, THE QUESTION IS WHAT REPLACES IT, AND HERE IT'S A GIVEN THAT WE'RE REPLACING IT WITH THE HOUSE. 
          SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND I KNOW THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE, I'VE 
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WENT TO A COUPLE, ONE MORE ON THE D R C, UM, VIRTUAL DO NOT MODIFY ADMINISTRATIONS. 
          LIKE IF WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL OF THE HOME, I DON'T THINK THAT WARRANTS FOR CHANGES IN THE FRONT FENESTRATIONS AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW YET. 
          AND I KNOW THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, SO MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          AND AT THE END, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT, I MEAN, IT, THERE HAS TO BE A LINE OF STUDY, MAYBE IT IS ALREADY THERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SECOND STORY OF THE ACCESSORY IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          THERE IS A HOUSE TO THE LEFT TWO DOORS DOWN THAT WAS REHABILITATED, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO YOURS. 
          I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW THE INSIDE STATE OF IT OR ANYTHING, BUT IT WAS, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY THE REASON FIRST, INITIALLY I WAS AGAINST THE DEMOLITION. 
          OF COURSE, I CAN'T DENY WHAT THE EXPERTS ARE SAYING, SO I, I'M ALL STILL SUPPORTED, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION AND, AND KEEPING IT REALLY AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          YES, I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT. 
          AND AS YOU, UH, MOVE FROM CON CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THROUGH YOUR DEVELOPMENT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT ON SITE WAS DOCUMENTING ALL THE DETAIL, THE WINDOW DETAILS AND ROOFING AND CORNICE DETAILS TO, UH, THE REINCORPORATED INTO THE, UH, RECONSTRUCTION. 
          SO, UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. 
          SINA? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          HE'S LEFT. 
          OKAY, GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ZER AYE. 
          UNE AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          AND COMMISSIONERS, JUST A QUICK NOTE BEFORE WE MOVE ON. 
          UM, WE ARE DOWN TO SIX COMMISSIONERS, SO, UM, ANY SORT OF BATHROOM BREAK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WILL RESULT IN LOSS OF QUORUM. 
          SO WE'LL NEED TO PLAN AHEAD IF, IF WE WANNA TAKE A BREAK. 
          UH, LET'S TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK RIGHT NOW. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          WE CAN SEE YOU AND JEFF, I THINK WE'RE LIVE AGAIN. 
          UM, SO EDWARD, WHY DON'T YOU, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, THE NEXT ITEM AGENDA, 
          [31. Address/Description: 314 NORTH DR HDRC Case No.: 2021469 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Rudy Davila/Davila Concrete Contractors Request: Installation of a driveway, curb cut, approach and onsite walkways City Council Dist.: 7]
ITEM NUMBER 31 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 4 69 3 14 NORTH. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL, INSTALL A NEW CURB, CUT DRIVEWAY, APRON, DRIVEWAY, AND WALKWAY ON SITE AT THREE 14 NORTH, LOCATED WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C AND D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY FEATURE A STRAIGHT PROFILE AND A WIDTH DOES NOT, THAT DOES NOT EXCEED 10 FEET. 
          AND TWO, THE PROPOSED CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY APRON BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCK. 
          IN REGARDS TO PROFILE AND WIDTH, I HAVE THE APPLICANT, MR. RUDY DAVILA HERE NOW. 
          OKAY, YOU'RE ASKING ME TO DO A STRAIGHT SHOT FROM THE CITY, UH, FROM THE STREET TO THE PROPOSED PARKING AREA, CORRECT. 
          THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, TO DO A STRAIGHT SHOT WOULD, WOULD INVOLVE MOVING A WATER METER AND TWO CUTOFFS. 
          AND, UH, MY EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEMS THAT CAN BE BECOME VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          SO I PROPOSED THE DRAWING THAT WE SUBMITTED TO YOU, WE MAKING A SLIGHT CURVE BECAUSE OTHER THAN THAT, I'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY MOVE A WATER METER AND TWO CUTOFFS TO THE HOUSE THAT ARE INSIDE THAT ENVELOPE OF THE PROPOSED AREA. 
          THAT WOULD MAKE IT A STRAIGHT SHOT. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON WE DID THAT. 
          I JUST DID ONE ON, UH, IN THE SAME AREA AND IT INVOLVED TWO AND A HALF MONTHS OF PAPERWORK, SETTING APPOINTMENTS WITH SAWS, UH, AND PROBABLY ABOUT $4,000 IN COST TO MOVE A METER, LITERALLY TWO AND A HALF FEET IN THIS CASE. 
          THE METER NEEDS TO BE LOWERED APPROXIMATELY EIGHT INCHES OR SO, AND THERE'S NO ROOM TO LOWER THAT METER. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT WOULD HAVE TO INVOLVE THE SAME PROCESS WITH SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEMS THAT I WENT THROUGH BEFORE, UH, BASICALLY PUTTING THE APPLICATION IN, WAITING FOR THEM TO, UH, TO ASSIGN AN INSPECTOR. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE WE LITERALLY HAD TO USE A FREEZE PLUG 'CAUSE THEY WOULDN'T LET US CUT OFF THE WATER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I HAD TO USE THE FREEZE PLUG, FREEZE THE WATER AT THE AREA. 
          WE WERE GONNA CUT IT OFF AT, MOVE THE METER OVER AND RECONNECT IT. 
          THE PROCESS TOOK ABOUT THREE HOURS, BUT IT TOOK ME TWO AND A HALF MONTHS TO GET IT THROUGH SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEMS. MR. CHAIR IS THERE CITIZENS TO BE RIGHT? YES. 
          I'LL, I'LL PLAY THAT NOW. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO 
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AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OUR PRESIDENT, DREA GARZA AND THE MONTICELLO PARK ASSOCIATION BOARD, OUR ADDRESS IS POST OFFICE BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          THIS IS IN REGARDS TO H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH 4 6 9 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 1 4 NORTH DRIVE. 
          WE OFFER THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT. 
          THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION APPRECIATES HOMEOWNERS WHO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY AND HOME. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S ISSUANCE OF A STOP WORK ORDER FOR THE NEW DRIVEWAY CONSTRUCTION AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT A PROPOSED NEW DRIVEWAY FEATURE A STRAIGHT PROFILE WITH A WIDTH THAT DOES NOT EXCEED 10 FEET. 
          ALSO THAT THE PROPOSED CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY APRON BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE HISTORICALLY ON THE 300 BLOCK OF NORTH DRIVE AND THROUGHOUT THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT IN REGARDS TO PLACEMENT PROFILE AND WIDTH, THE INTRODUCTION OF A NEW DRIVEWAY FOR THIS RESIDENTIAL HOME SHOULD ALIGN WITH THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY AND NOT SEEK TO DOMINATE THE FRONT YARD, NOR OBSTRUCT THE VIEW OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME WHEN VEHICLES ARE PARKED. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONFLICTS, MR. DAVILA OVER HERE. 
          I'M SORRY, , I CAN'T TELL WHO'S TALKING THESE DAYS. 
          NO. 
          AND I ALSO AM A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT, UM, IT DOES CREATE PARKING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THE HOME, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO A CONFLICT OF WHAT WE SEE IN HISTORIC HOMES. 
          UH, WHERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE AT? IS THAT WHERE THAT CONCRETE, WHAT WAS THAT MA'AM? THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE CONCRETE CURB. 
          IS THAT THE PROPERTY LINE? YES, MA'AM. 
          SO FROM THE METER TO THE PROPERTY LINE METERS IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT YEAH. 
          OF THE, OF THE APPROACH THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW? MM-HMM. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO TWO CUTOFFS ON THE INSIDE, ON THE, UH, OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, OFF THE CITY PROPERTY, UH, JUST SOUTH OF THE EXISTING CITY SIDEWALK. 
          I MEAN, I I I AGREE WITH, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMMENTS BECAUSE I MEAN, IN THESE CASES WE HAVE TO SEE THEM CASE BY CASE. 
          UM, AND IT, IT MAY BE MORE TIME AND WORK FOR YOU, BUT I'M ALSO SURE THAT THE, UM, HOMEOWNERS WILL APPRECIATE THAT AND YOU CAN KIND OF PUT THAT IN YOUR BILL, BUT BECAUSE THE FATHER OF THE HOMEOWNERS BEHIND ME. 
          YEAH, WELL THE PROBLEM HERE IS, AND, AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENT HAD A REALLY GOOD POINT, IS THE REST OF THE STREET HAS A STRAIGHT DRIVEWAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY LOOK AT IN HISTORIC. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA INTRODUCE SOMETHING NEW, TRY TO KEEP THE WAY THAT THE REST OF THE BLOCK HAS. 
          AND THAT'S, IT'S IF YOU, I MEAN, I THINK, UH, GO TO SLIDE THREE. 
          IT'S VERY CLEAR. 
          SO WHAT DO YOU, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME DIFFICULT TO, TO LOOK AT THIS DIFFERENTLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE METERS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          I HAVE A SLIDE, THREE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          UM, HOW MUCH, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE METER AND THE PROPERTY LINE? METER AND WHICH PROPERTY LINE, SIR? THE, THE ONE TO THE RIGHT ON THE, THE RIGHT? YES. 
          APPROXIMATELY. 
          PROBABLY YOU CAN SEE IT HERE. 
          I'D SAY ABOUT IT. 
          IT, IF I MOVE THAT APPROACH OVER AND GIVE US THE FLARE THAT WE NEED ON BOTH SIDES TO MAKE IT A STRAIGHT SHOT, THE METER WOULD BE ALMOST, ALMOST DEAD CENTER INSIDE THE APPROACH. 
          I'VE TRIED EVERY OTHER OPTION TO LOOK AT ANY WAY I COULD GET THIS THING ACCOMPLISHED, BUT THE ONLY OPTION WAS TO MAKE IT AESTHETICALLY AS PLEASING AS POSSIBLE AND STILL BE FUNCTIONAL. 
          RIGHT NOW SHE'S PARKING IN THE STREET AND EITHER IF WE DO IT ON THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT, WE'RE STILL OBSTRUCTING THE VIEW OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND WHERE IS THE CURRENT, IS THERE A CURRENT GARAGE AND PARKING? IS IT REAR PARKING? THERE IS NONE. 
          NONE THERE. 
          IT USED TO BE ACCESSIBLE. 
          THIS, IT ACTUALLY HAD A PARKING AREA IN THE BACK THROUGH AN OLD ALLEYWAY, BUT THAT'S KIND OF OVERGROWN AND THERE'S NO LIGHTING. 
          UH, MISS ESPINOSA FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE PARKING THERE AT NIGHT. 
          'CAUSE OF THE, THE ALLEYWAY IS PITCHED BLACK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR? YES, MR. UM, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS. 
          UM, THE METERS AND THE SHUTOFFS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE MOVED. 
          OFTENTIMES AS YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE, YOU CAN BLOCK AROUND THEM AND POUR, BUT THE, THE ELEVATION PROBLEM, MA, BECAUSE IT'S, AND YOU PUT A SEPARATE CAP OVER IT, 
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WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME ELEVATION BECAUSE AT THIS POINT I'D HAVE TO CUT THE CURB OVER HERE TO THE RIGHT MM-HMM. 
           AND WITH THE SLOPE THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE 2% SLOPE ON THE CITY SIDEWALK, UH, IT WOULD BE A COUPLE OF INCHES ABOVE THE EXISTING OH, IT'S TALLER, UH, APPROACH. 
          AND FOR US TO MOVE IT, I TRIED TO SEE IF I HAD ROOM, I DOUBLE CHECKED IT. 
          THERE'S NO ROOM. 
          CAN YOU, IT'S THE SAME SITUATION I HAD ON ANOTHER HOUSE, AND IT CAN'T BE DROPPED IN LOWER. 
          IT CAN'T, THERE'S NO ROOM TO DROP IT. 
          IT'D HAVE TO TAKE THE BOX OFF, EXCAVATE THE WHOLE THING, CUT AND GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. 
          I WENT THROUGH, UH, UH, ON WEST KING'S HIGHWAY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          THAT WAS WHERE I, BUT AS FAR IT'S A FAR, UM, MORE FEASIBLE ACTION THAN SAY TO COMPLETELY RELOCATE IT. 
          YOU'D HAVE TO COMPLETELY RELOCATE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE SHUT THE METER FOR THE HOUSE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED. 
          AND THE CUTOFFS FOR THE HOUSE, THERE'S TWO OF THESE SMALLER BOXES THAT YOU PUT THE LITTLE THING OF MAJIG DOWN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY, YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THE PICTURE MAP. 
          YEAH, I DON'T SEE IT. 
          BUT THEY'RE ON THE INSIDE HERE. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALMOST FLUSHED WITH THE TOP OF THE GRASS. 
          AND THOSE I PRESUME ARE CUTOFFS FOR SOMETHING. 
          IT COULD BE CUTOFFS FOR THE STREET OR CUTOFFS FOR THE ONLY THE HOUSE, BUT THERE'S TWO OF THEM. 
          CAN THAT DRIVEWAY BE BUILT UP TO THAT TOP WOULD GO OVER THOSE, TOP OF THOSE TWO, AND THEN YOU WOULD DO THAT ADJUSTMENT AT THE SIDEWALK, THAT ELEVATION ADJUSTMENT, CORRECT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          ONE, ONE INTERESTING OBSERVATION IS, UM, THE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK, IT, IT MADE USE OF THAT STRATEGY RIGHT? TO, TO NOT HAVE THE ENTRY INTO THE, THE WALKWAY LOOK DIRECTLY INTO THE DOOR, RIGHT? THE, THE WALKWAY. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WALKWAY. 
          SO, SO THERE'S A KIND OF AN, AN AN AESTHETIC, UM, UM, VALUE TO A CURVE EXISTING IN THE, IN THE, UM, I GUESS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN RIGHT THERE. 
          SEE? SO JUST, JUST, UH, JUST ENTERTAINING THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT INTRODUCES A SYMMETRY, ENABLING THE CURVE WHILE NOT NECESSARILY DEVIATING FROM WHAT, WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE ON THIS SITE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THE WALKWAY IS CURVING TO THE DOOR, RIGHT? IT, IT HAS A PARTICULAR CURVE FRONT. 
          THE ONE THAT'S RUNNING FROM THE, THE EXI, THE, UH, THE WALKWAY, THE, THE SERVICE WALK LEADING TO THE FRONT DOOR FROM THE, FROM THE CITY SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT DOOR, RIGHT? SEE THE CURVE THERE? THERE'S A RADIUS THERE, RIGHT? IF YOU MIRRORED THAT RADIUS TO THE FURTHEST POINT THAT GETS YOU TO THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE ON THE, ON THAT SIDE, ON THE, ON, WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT SIDE THAT, THAT MIGHT INTRODUCE A THINNING OF THE OVERALL DRIVEWAY, BUT THEN YOU'D, YOU, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THIS KIND OF A, OF A NEAT SYMMETRY THAT CENTERS WITH THAT FRONT WINDOW. 
          WELL, I, I WAS KIND OF MIRRORING WHAT WE HAVE TO BE AS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AS AS POSSIBLE NOT TO EXCEED THE 10 FOOT WIDTH, THE 10 FOOT WIDTH. 
          I, I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU ARE, BUT, BUT IF YOU JUST MOVE MAYBE ANOTHER THREE MORE FEET, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NECESSARY FOR ME TO SAY THAT IT HAS TO DO THAT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT GRASSY AREA THAT'S CREATED THAT NEW SHAPE THAT'S INTRODUCED, THEN THAT BECOMES A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR SOME BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, MR. CHAIR, THAT, THAT IN THE DESIGN, THERE'S ALREADY THIS ATTITUDE ABOUT NOT EN ENTERING DIRECTLY STRAIGHT IN. 
          RIGHT? SO, SO PERHAPS, UH, WHAT IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE WIDTH, BUT THAT IF THAT CURVE IS DONE PROPERLY, WHICH I THINK IT IS, THAT, THAT IN A WAY IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. 
          YOU'D NEVER EVEN KNOW THAT, THAT IT WASN'T THERE ORIGINALLY. 
          AND IT HELPS TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF THAT. 
          UM, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT COULD BE A HARDSHIP BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE METER INSIDE, BUT YOU'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE THE METER OUTSIDE AND THE METER OUTSIDE. 
          JUST, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT WHEN YOU MOVE AN OUTSIDE METER, WELL THAT, THAT'S A MAJOR SITUATION. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU MOVE THE INSIDE METER, WELL WHEN YOU MAKE, WILL MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT, THAT IT WILL WORK THE WAY THAT THE HOUSE, UH, NEEDS TO RECEIVE ITS WATER MAIN, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I HAVE A SUGGESTION. 
          UHHUH , UM, POSSIBLY A SITE VISIT WITH THE COMMISSION OR CERTAIN COMMISSION MEMBERS A SITE D R C DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, LOOK AT THE, UH, HOW YOU'VE, UH, DESIGNED THE CURVES WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THAT I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE, UH, GIVE ME, UM, MORE ASSURANCE ABOUT WHAT IS POSSIBLE HERE ON THIS SITE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IF YOU'RE MR. CHAIR, YEAH, I'M UP, I'M UP FOR THAT. 
          I WAS JUST, IT'S A, I I DEAL WITH AWKWARD SITUATIONS ALL DAY. 
          I'VE BEEN DOING 
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THIS FOR 35 YEARS AND THIS IS UNIQUE, YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, SO IT'S HISTORICAL. 
          AND ALSO MR. DAVILA, THIS IS ACTUALLY MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I, I, I REALLY WANT THE BEST FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO GO AND, YOU KNOW, GET PERMITS FOR THE DRIVEWAYS AND ALL THAT. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF IN A, YOU KNOW, IN A SITUATION WHERE NOT ONLY IS THERE WORK ALREADY DONE THAT'S CREATING A COST, BUT THERE THE SOLUTION MIGHT ALSO BE COSTLY, BUT NOW EVEN MORE SO I AGREE. 
          I'M GONNA MOVE THIS TO A SITE VISIT. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE VISUALIZE WHAT'S THE SURROUNDINGS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER OF SOLUTION MAY BE SOMETHING IF THIS PROPERTY WAS IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, LOOKING AT THE BLOCK, IT IS NOT A VIABLE SOLUTION. 
          ALL, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY 95% OF THE HOMES HAVE A STRAIGHT DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S JUST, WE MAY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GO, I THINK A VISUAL SITE VISIT WOULD BE BEST. 
          SO I'LL MOVE TO D R C SITE. 
          I JUST WANNA ADD ONE THING. 
          UH, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED A SITUATION LIKE THIS WHERE I REALLY THOUGHT IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE HISTORICAL REVIEW AND I WOULD KNOW SOMETHING. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, SOMEONE AT MY OFFICE SCHEDULED THIS, UH, AND MY GUYS JUMPED ON IT BEFORE I EVEN KNEW ABOUT IT. 
          THAT'S MY FAULT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO. 
          SO WE SHOULD NEVER, NEVER STARTED THE JOB WITHOUT THE PERMIT IN THE FIRST PLACE, , AND IT ENDED UP HAPPENING. 
          I'M PREPARED TO RESTORE THE SITE IF THAT'S THE CASE, BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL, UH, OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE WE STARTED. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. 
          OKAY, SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A SIDE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, SITE. 
          D R C. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH. 
          WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU. 
          ONE MORE TIME. 
          AYE. 
          GOT IT. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ZER. 
          AYE. 
          LA AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          AND STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24, OR EXCUSE ME, 
          [32. Address/Description: 314 DELAWARE HDRC Case No.: 2021477 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Joe Morfin/Morfin Renovators LLC Request: Window replacement, porch modifications, column modifications, fencing, fenestration modifications City Council Dist.: 1]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 32 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 4 77 3 14 DELAWARE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL PORCH RAILINGS AND DECKING ON THE FRONT PORCH. 
          TWO, TO RECONSTRUCT THE PORCH COLUMNS TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL THREE TO INSTALL FOUNDATION SKIRTING TO MATCH THE SIDING FORWARD. 
          INSTALL OF WOOD TRANCE WINDOW ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR. 
          FIVE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS AND SIX INSTALL OF WOOD FRONT YARD FENCE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER ONE THROUGH THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF FOUNDATION, SKIRTING, PORCH, RAILINGS, AND DECKING AND PORCH COLUMNS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED PORCH DECKING THAT FEATURES A ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE PROFILE AND THAT ALL DECKING IS INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE. 
          TWO, THAT THE, A, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE REPAIRED COLUMNS MATCH THE ORIGINAL IN PROFILE AND TRIM DETAIL AND THAT THE WALL COLUMNS BE INSTALLED WILL MATCH THE ORIGINAL THREE. 
          THAT THE PROPOSED DECK, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH RAILINGS FEATURED A TWO INCH BY FOUR INCH TOP RAIL, A ONE INCH BY TWO INCH RAIL TRIM, A ONE INCH BY HALF INCH BY BY ONE AND A HALF INCH SQUARE PICKET PICKETS AND NOTCH TWO BY FOUR BOTTOM RAIL. 
          THE BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE DECKING. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          WINDOW REPLACEMENT BY, BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS A WINDOW THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE INSTALLED. 
          STAFF STANDARDS ARE NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          FRONT YARD FENCING BASED ON FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FRONT, THE FRONT YARD FENCING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES BE INSTALLED, VERTICAL PICKETS, HOG WIRE CATTLE PANEL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          THE APPLICANTS, UH, JANICE AND JOE MORPHIN ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. 
          WE ARE HERE. 
          CAN Y'ALL HEAR US? YES, WE CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          JOE'S GONNA BE SPEAKING. 
          YEAH, ON, ON THE, UH, ON THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, WHAT WE DID IS, UH, THERE, THERE WAS, UH, EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS. 
          UH, SO WE, WHAT WE DID IS WE MATCHED THAT WINDOW, UH, TO EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE EXCEPT FOR THE DIVIDERS. 
          BUT OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING IS THE SAME, SAME LOCATION. 
          THERE'S NOTHING BEEN MOVED OR ANYTHING. 
          PERHAPS IT MAY BE BETTER IF WE GO THROUGH ITEM BY ITEM. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT AND MR. MORPHIN, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT YOU HAVE AGREED 
          [03:00:01]
TO CORRECT THE PORCH RAILINGS, THE COLUMNS, YES, THE SKIRTING, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE TRANSOM WINDOW AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY FOCUSING ON THE WINDOWS. 
          AND, UM, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT IN REGARDS TO THE FRONT YARD FENCE? UM, THE, THE FRONT, THE FRONT YARD FENCE, NO COMMENT EXCEPT FOR THAT WE CAN, UH, THE THREE OPTIONS THAT, THAT, THAT ARE UP THERE, WE CAN DO THE VERTICAL, THE, THE HOG. 
          THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. 
          SO THAT'S NOT EVEN, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THIS NOW. 
          SO, UH, WE CAN CHANGE, WE CAN CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THOSE, OF THOSE, OF THOSE, UH, PICKETS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO COMMISSIONERS, AT THIS POINT WE'RE ONLY DISCUSSING, UH, THE WINDOWS MS GROUP. 
          YES, MR. CHAIR, I JUST HAD A QUESTION TO STAFFAN. 
          SO NO MODIFICATIONS OF THE WINDOW, FENESTRATION SIZES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. 
          WHEN STAFF WERE A SITE VISIT, IT, IT APPEARED TO ONLY BE A REMOVAL OF VINYL WINDOWS WITH AN INSTALLATION OF A NEW VINYL WINDOW. 
          UH, OPENINGS DID NOT APPEAR TO BE MODIFIED. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, STAFF DID NOT SEE, UM, ANY EVIDENCE THAT A WOOD WINDOW OR AN ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW HAD BEEN REMOVED. 
          SO A VINYL TO A VINYL REPLACEMENT, WHICH THE VINYL WAS ALREADY PROBABLY HAD MADE THE CHANGES. 
          CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE COR CORRECT. 
          THESE ARE EXIST. 
          THIS IS AN EXISTING, UH, GOOGLE STREET VIEW PHOTO THAT SHOWS THE VINYL WINDOW INSTALLED HERE IN 2019. 
          UM, THE VINYL WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED BACK TO 2011. 
          THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MODIFIED ALL THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS, I'M SURE THAT HAD LIKE, CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          I'LL SHOW, UH, AN INTERIOR PHOTO. 
          UM, OR YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL HEAD HEIGHT, UH, WAS MODIFIED. 
          THESE ARE THE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE STILL INSTALLED. 
          UM, SO THIS PHOTO PREDATES THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL HEAD HEIGHTS OF ALL THE WINDOWS WERE MODIFIED, UM, DURING THE FIRST REPLACEMENT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S SUCH A HARD ONE 'CAUSE IT'S SUCH A SHAME THAT, SO I UNDERSTAND, UH, STAFF COMMENTS ARE BASED ON, WE DON'T WANNA INTRODUCE BAD WINDOWS, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? NON-COMPLIANT WINDOWS. 
          AND IT'S NOT CALLED A REPLACEMENT IN KIND EITHER. 
          YEAH, CAN I, WE'RE REINTRODUCING NON-COMPLIANT WINDOWS, WHICH IS A HARD ONE, BUT ALSO I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT, I MEAN, UH, INTRODUCING, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE, IT'S PROBABLY TOO LATE. 
          UM, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE OPEN TO PUT LIKE, UM, SCREENS OVER THE WINDOWS? WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY IN THIS HOME OR NOT? YEAH, I CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN PUT SCREENS ON ON THAT AND, AND WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE WINDOWS? THE, THE STRUCTURAL, UH, PART OF THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, THE, UH, THE INSPECTOR HAD US, HAD US PUT HEADERS WHERE YOU COULD TELL ON THAT, ON THAT PICTURE THAT WAS THERE BEFORE. 
          THERE WASN'T THE, THE APPROPRIATE HEADERS. 
          SO WE HAD TO PUT HEADERS ON ALL THE WINDOWS, EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T MOVE ANY OTHER WINDOW. 
          UH, SO I, WE CAN PUT SCREENS TO WHERE IT'LL ACCOMMODATE THE LOOK THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE SOLUTION. 
          I'LL, MR. CHAIR, WHAT? ASK STAFF IF THEY CAN CLARIFY SOMETHING. 
          IS IT A ONE FOR ONE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A VINYL WINDOW, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THE, THERE'S A VINYL WINDOW BEING REPLACED BY IVANA WINDOW. 
          UM, HOWEVER, IF STAFF WOULD'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS, STAFF WOULD'VE HAD COMMENTS ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE VINYL WINDOW, SPECIFICALLY NO PHOTO DIVIDED LIGHTS, UM, WHICH, NO, UM, IF, LET ME GO TO A PHOTO. 
          NO, NO ONE EVEN EQUAL, EQUAL SASHES, UH, SPECIFICALLY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF WOULD'VE COMMENTED ON. 
          UH, STAFF WOULD'VE ALSO, UH, WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT TO TRY TO FIND A PRODUCT THAT, UM, FEATURED A, A TOP AND BOTTOM SASH THAT FEATURED A RECESS A BIT MORE THAN WHAT'S FOUND HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO, SO THEN, THEN IT'S, UM, IT'S A REPLACEMENT, BUT WITH AN UNINFORMED REPLACEMENT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I'D LIKE TO, UM, YES, MA'AM, UH, ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER AN OPTION. 
          UM, THE REINSTATEMENT OF THE TRANSOM WAS REALLY A, A NICE MOVE, UH, REINSTATE SOME, UH, ON THE FRONT, UH, REINSTATE SOME PROPORTIONALITY, UM, OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          [03:05:01]
AND IT ONLY SERVES TO MAKE THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE LOOK EVEN WORSE. 
          UM, I WONDER IF YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO REPLACING THE FRONT TWO WINDOWS AND IF THERE'S, UH, I DON'T SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT THAT ELEVATION IS VERY VISIBLE. 
          PERHAPS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THAT ELEVATION IS VISIBLE, BUT MINIMALLY THOSE TWO FRONT WINDOWS REPLACE THOSE WITH MIGHT BE A VINYL WINDOW, MIGHT BE A WOOD WINDOW WITH THE ORIGINAL PROPORTION THAT FITS THE ORIGINAL OPENING AND IT'S A DOUBLE HUNG RATHER THAN THE IRREGULAR SINGLE HUNG UNIT. 
          SOMETHING TO, UM, BEGIN TO REBUILD WHAT THAT ORIGINAL FRONT ELEVATION WAS LIKE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU MIGHT CONSIDER? I, I, I, I CAN, I'LL CONS, UH, I CAN GET WITH THE HOMEOWNER AND UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. 
          UH, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR IT TO BE, INSTEAD OF IT BEING LIKE A TWO FOOT BY FOUR FOOT, IT'S GONNA BE A THREE FOOT BY THREE FOOT IN BETWEEN WHERE YOU RISE THE WINDOW, CORRECT? WELL, OKAY. 
          LOOKING AT THIS, UH, VIEW HERE, IT WOULD BE A DOUBLE HUNG, BUT IT WOULD BE THE, THE HEADER WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY THE HEIGHT OF THE TRANS SUM, BUT IT WOULD BE THE ORIGINAL PROPORTIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THOSE DIMENSIONS ARE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SEE, SEE WHAT HAP SEE THAT'S, THAT'S MY ISSUE RIGHT THERE BECAUSE WE HAD TO, WE HAD, WE, HE HAD TO SPEND ADDITIONAL MONIES WHEN THE STRUCTURAL, UH, INSPECTOR CAME IN THERE AND REDID ALL, ALL THE HEADERS. 
          SO ALL THE HEADERS ARE BRAND NEW ON THE INSIDE PER, PER THE INSPECTOR. 
          SO THAT MEANS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE ALL THAT OFF AND REDO IT AGAIN. 
          UH, AND, AND THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE, I GUESS I WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH THE BILLING, UH, INSPECTOR TO TELL US WHERE WE CAN, WE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT, PUT THAT HEADER ON. 
          UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA BE THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT PER CODE BY THE, ON THE INSIDE OUT, AND IT'S ONLY FOR TWO WINDOWS. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO 'EM ALL. 
          I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT YOU DO THE FRONT ELEVATION AND JUST MOVE THOSE TWO HEADERS. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST A, A THOUGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN, I CAN DEFINITELY GET WITH THE HOMEOWNER ON THAT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK, UH, AND I'M, I'M NOW SPEAKING WITH, UH, FOR THE HOMEOWNER AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE. 
          UM, JUST, JUST SO, UH, MR. CHAIR, JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE DILEMMA. 
          THE HEADER BRINGS DOWN THE HEIGHT, SO THE TRANSOM THEN IS REDUCED, SO IT'S A SLIVER OF A TRANSOM. 
          IT'S NOT THE FULL HEIGHT OF THE TRANSOM AS YOU SEE IN THAT PICTURE IN FRONT OF US, BECAUSE THE HEADER EXISTS ON THE OTHER WINDOWS. 
          SO THE OVERALL LOOK WOULDN'T BE THAT THE TOP OF THE WINDOWS ARE IN LINE, LIKE A HEADER WOULD BE LIKE, LIKE A TRANSOM WOULD BE. 
          SO IT APPEARS THAT THE TRANSOM WAS PUT IN THE ORIGINAL SIZE AND THE WINDOWS WITHOUT THE HITTER, RIGHT, WITHOUT THE, THE WINDOW HEADS. 
          THESE WINDOWS HAD BEEN MADE SHORTER WHEN THEY WERE CHANGED TO THE ORIGINAL VINYLS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, YES, SIR. 
          MR. FISH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I JUST KIND OF WANNA LAY THIS OUT AND SUM THIS UP. 
          UH, WHILE, WHILE MY MICROPHONE IS WORKING, UM, I, I THINK, UM, THAT IT'D BE UNUSUAL THAT THIS COMMISSION WOULD, UH, APPROVE A FULL WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND NON-CONFORMING WINDOWS. 
          UM, THAT BOTHERS ME, PARTICULARLY THE, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE INSTALLED. 
          I DO HOWEVER, THINK THAT, UM, A REASONABLE SOLUTION HERE MIGHT BE TO RESTORE ONLY THOSE TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND, UH, MAKE A CONDITION HERE, GIVEN THE VISIBILITY AND THE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED VINYL BEING THAT THE PREVIOUS WINDOWS WERE VINYL, THAT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD COMPROMISE. 
          AND IF A COMMISSIONER IS WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION ALONG THOSE LINES, I'D BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT. 
          COMMISSIONER GRID, JUST, UH, TO CLARIFY, UM, ONE THING, AND I'LL BE RIGHT THERE, COMMISSIONER FISHER WITH THAT MOTION, I AGREE. 
          HOW DID HE GET BUILDING INSPECTOR TO COME IN AND LOOK AT HEADERS AND, AND AT THIS POINT, NO, NO, HP WAS FLAGGED. 
          UH, WELL, I'LL CLARIFY THERE. 
          UH, THERE WERE, UH, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS ON FILE. 
          UM, I, I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW IF THE APPLICANT JUST GOT AHEAD OF, OF THEMSELVES OR ASSUME THAT SINCE THERE WAS ALREADY A VINYL WINDOW THERE THAT WE WEREN'T CONCERNED. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO ASK THAT. 
          [03:10:02]
OKAY. 
          AND COMMISSIONER FISH TO CLARIFY, UM, YOU'RE ACCEPTING A REPLACEMENT OF A VINYL, BUT WITH THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT WE NORMALLY LOOK FOR, I PREFER THAT THE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS FACING THE STREET MEET OUR, OUR STAFF STANDARDS ALSO IN MATERIAL, CORRECT IN MATERIAL AS WELL, CLOUD. 
          HOWEVER, GIVEN THE MATERIALITY OF THE REST OF THE WINDOWS, IF, IF THEY HAVE A WINDOW THAT MEETS THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF OUR STANDARD, I'D BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THE VINYL IN THIS INSTANCE, UH, COM COMMISSIONER FISH ON THE TRANSOM. 
          UM, WOULD, UH, IS IS THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE WINDOW IS A VINYL WINDOW, BUT THAT AS IT APPROACHES THE TOP, THE HEADER, THAT THE HEADER BE RAISED, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT WINDOWS, NOT ALL THE WINDOWS, JUST THE FRONT, THAT THE HEADER BE RAISED OR THAT THE HEADER REMAINED WHERE IT IS AND THAT THE TRANSOM BE ADJUSTED TO MEET THE HEADER OF THE THREE FENESTRATIONS, THE DOOR AND THE TWO WINDOWS. 
          THE UNIFORMITY IS THE UNIFORMITY. 
          WELL, YOU, YOU MAY HAVE, YOU MAY HAVE CAUGHT ME TRYING TO BE INTENTIONALLY AMBIGUOUS. 
          AH, I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS THAT THIS FRONT ELEVATION COULD BE, UH, IMPROVED. 
          ONE OF THEM WOULD BE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE WINDOWS. 
          ONE OF THEM WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE WINDOWS AT THE ORIGINAL, AT THE ORIGINAL SIZE, MEANING RETURN, RESTORE THE, THE HEADERS ON THE TWO WINDOWS TO THEIR PREVIOUS LOCATION, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN IN LINE WITH THE TOP OF THE HEADER. 
          WELL, WELL THEN I WOULD MR. CHAIR UNDERSTAND THE, A MOTION COULD BE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT THE THREE FENESTRATIONS BE, UH, MEETING THE DIMENSIONS OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, FENESTRATIONS, BUT THAT THE WINDOW ADHERING TO THE GUIDELINES OF STAFF CAN REMAIN OF A VINYL MATERIAL. 
          SO, SO THAT THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT WITH RESPECT TO ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. 
          IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TAXING YOU IN THE LARGEST WAY, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE FRONT, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CARPENTRY AND, AND WINDOW EXPENSE THAT IS, IS THE COMPROMISE WINDOW AND TRANSOM EXPENSE. 
          SO IS THAT A MOTION? THAT WAS A MOTION, YEAH. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? AND, AND COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, THE REASON WHY I'M NOT SECONDING THIS IS IT'S THE DETAILS. 
          BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE WINDOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE AND JUST LOWER THE TRANSOM ABOVE THE DOOR. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          THE, THE, THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING. 
          THE THREE SIDES OF THE BUILDING REMAIN THE FRONT COMPLETELY. 
          HE HAS TO BRING IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS. 
          BUT CAN YOU JUST DO IT THAT WE DON'T ACCEPT VINYL, BUT WE'LL ACCEPT TO THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS OF WHAT WE NORMALLY INTRODUCE I, WHICH IS A WYNDHAM ELEMENT CLAD? WELL, IF, IF, IF IT, IF IT, IF IT SO, UH, IF IT PLEASES YOU, YES. 
          UM, JUST SO LONG AS, UM, MA I JUST GET TO EXPLAIN THAT THE REASON THAT I WENT THAT ROUTE WAS BECAUSE COMMISSIONER FISH WAS IN HIS INTENTIONAL AMBIGUITY, ALLOWING IT SOME, SOME LEEWAY, BUT, AND COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I'LL SECOND IT THE WAY IT WAS STATED. 
          UM, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THE, THE FINISHED MATERIAL, GIVEN THAT ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS WOULD BE IN FINAL, SO LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE STAFF STANDARDS. 
          CAN YOU ALSO DO A MOTION ON THE OTHER ITEMS? WELL, THAT, UM, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE OTHER ITEMS BECAUSE WE, WELL, I, I THINK STAFF SEE ON THE WINDOWS STAFF COULD SUMMARIZE. 
          UM, SO ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE, THE APPLICANT AGREES WITH STAFF, AND FOR ITEM FIVE, THE APPLICANT AGREES WITH STAFF. 
          UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, UH, CORRECT THE PORCH DECKING, THE PORCH RAILING, UH, THE COLUMNS, THE SKIRTING, AND THE FENCING. 
          UM, SO THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ALL OF THAT, UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WITH, WITH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, CORRECT. 
          SO THAT FOUR IS, SO FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE AND FIVE, YOU COULD JUST SAY AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AT 
          [03:15:01]
1, 2, 1, 2, 3, AND FIVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FOUR AS PREVIOUSLY STATED. 
          PREVIOUSLY STATED. 
          OKAY. 
           SECONDED AS SO, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE GROUP NAY THAT AYE LA AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 
          [33. Address/Description: 901 MASON ST HDRC Case No.: 2021475 Landmark Name: Individual Landmark Historic District Name: Government Hill Applicant: Robert Miranda/ Finesse Construction LLC Request: Standing seam metal roof installation with a ridge cap City Council Dist.: 2]
33 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 4 75 9 0 1 MASON STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH THE RIDGE CAP ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 9 0 1 MASON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNA WHITTY HILL. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES REGARDING RIDGE DETAILED CRAMPED OR MUCH RIDGE RIDGE SEAM OR A C CRIMPED RIDGE SLEEVE BE INSTALLED IN PLACE OF THE INSTALLED RIDGE CAP. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT MR. STEVE MORRIS IS HERE ACT. 
          UM, ROBERTO MIRANDA WITH FAN CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE JUST WANNA DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT IN REGARDS TO THE STANDING SEAM AT THE RIDGE. 
          THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE THERE AS OF GALIUM 24 GAUGE. 
          UH, WE ATTEMPTED INITIALLY TO CRIMP THE SEAM AT THE RIDGE AND WE SAW SOME SPLITTING AND CRACKING. 
          WE ACTUALLY CONSULTED WITH A, UH, CONSULTING ARCHITECT AS WELL, WHICH TOLD US AS WELL THAT A 24 UP TO 26 GAUGE GLIN WOULD NOT BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO DO A CRIM SEAM AT THE RIDGE. 
          PREVIOUSLY THEY DID HAVE A CRIM SEAM AT THE RIDGE AND THEY HAVE HAD MANY LEAKS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. 
          UH, THAT HAS CAUSED ALSO SOME, UH, STRUCTURAL DECKING DAMAGE FOR THE LONG TIME. 
          AND CAULKING AND MULTIPLE COATING APPLICATIONS AT THE AREAS DID NOT SOLVE THE ISSUE. 
          THEREFORE, UM, CONSULTING WITH THE ARCHITECT AND THE MANUFACTURER, WE PROVIDED A TYPICAL STANDING SEAM TO THE RIDGE. 
          WE PUT A CAP OVER THE STANDING SEAM AT THE RIDGE TO AVOID ANY FURTHER DAMAGE AND LONGEVITY OF IT. 
          UH, THE CAP IS ACTUALLY NOT ABLE TO BE SEEN FROM THE STREET LEVEL AT ANY SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS, AND WE ACTUALLY PLACED A LARGE CAP ON THE EDGE OF THE RIDGE, UH, AS WELL THAT WE COULD MODIFY TO BRING IT DOWN ON THE SIZE IF NEEDED DID. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTION IN THIS PHOTO THERE'S A LITTLE CUPOLA OR A MORE OF A POINTED ROOF. 
          WHAT SORT OF, UM, RIDGE WAS DONE ON THAT? WAS THAT A 'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A RIDGE CABINET? IT DOES NOT HAVE A RIDGE CAP, NO, SIR. 
          WELL, YOU WERE ABLE TO FOLD THE METAL. 
          NO, SIR. 
          WE WERE NOT ABLE TO FOLD THE METAL. 
          SO HOW DID YOU MAKE THESE CORNERS? THE CORNERS THAT WE DID THERE, WE ACTUALLY USED CAULKING BECAUSE OF THE VERTICAL STEEP SLOPE. 
          THERE'S A LOT LESS SUSCEPTIBLE FOR WATER ENTRY AND THE OWNERS APPROVE THAT. 
          BUT ON THE LOWER OIL LEVEL, LOWER SLOPE, IT'LL BE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE FOR LEAKS IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND MR. CHAIR, YOU HAVE A POINT. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ROOFS? THERE'S ONE THAT GOES UP AGAINST THE, THE, LIKE A, THERE'S A STAIRCASE, LIKE IT PROTECTS THE STAIRCASE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT THERE TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          INVENTED RIDGE CAP RIGHT DOWN THE TOP. 
          OR WHAT IS THAT? WHICH AREA, IF YOU DON'T MIND POINTING? THAT IS AN END CAP, NOT NECESSARILY A RIDGE CAP PER SE, BUT IT'S AN END CAP. 
          IT USUALLY GOES ON A 90 DEGREE, UM, TO AVOID WATER COMING FROM WHEN DRIVEN ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. 
          S SIR, ON ON THE CAPS GO. 
          IF STAFF COULD GO TO A CAP THAT SHOWS THE, THE LITTLE CUPOLA ON THE RIDGE CAP, IS THAT A, A VENT OR IS IT JUST A CAP? IT'S JUST A CAP. 
          IT'S JUST A CAP, CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN, WHEN THE CONDITION HAS EXISTED LIKE THIS, THE, THE, THE BEST THING THAT, OR, OR THE, WHEN THE SITUATION'S ALREADY LIKE THIS, WHAT WE'VE LOOKED FOR IS THE 
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LOWEST POSSIBLE PROFILE FROM THE RIDGES TO THE TOP OF THAT CAP. 
          IS THAT ABSOLUTELY THE LOWEST THAT THAT CAP WOULD SIT. 
          AND WITH THE FRONT, THAT DETAIL OF, OF THAT REAL PROMINENT TRIANGLE RIGHT. 
          IS, IS DO YOU SEE A WAY TO ELIMINATE THAT VISUAL AND MAINTAIN THE TRIANGLE? THAT IS THE, THE ROOF RIDGE TRIANGLE, NOT THE CAP TRIANGLE. 
          YES SIR. 
          IS THERE A MODIFIABLE WAY THAT YOU KNOW OF TO DO THAT? YES SIR. 
          WE CAN MINIMIZE THAT TREMENDOUSLY. 
          SO YOU, YOU SAY YOU CAN MINIMIZE THE HEIGHT OF THAT CAP. 
          HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? NOT THE HEIGHT OF THE CAP. 
          THE RIDGE CAP ITSELF. 
          IT WAS GOING TWO WAYS. 
          THE END CAP. 
          YEAH, YOU CAN MINIMIZE THAT. 
          THE TRIANGLE IS JUST A LITTLE SHEET OF METAL, SO THAT'S EASY. 
          CORRECT. 
          I THINK WHAT HE WAS ALSO SUGGESTING WAS TO LOWER THE HEIGHT OF THE WHOLE CAP. 
          THERE'S NOT MUCH, UH, ROOM FOR THE, TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THAT CAP. 
          WE HAVE SEEN CONDITIONS WHERE IT WAS A RIDGE CAP, BUT YOU DID NOT HAVE THE VERTICAL BETWEEN THE STANDING SEAMS. THAT THE STANDING SEAMS WERE FOLDED OVER AT THE VERY TOP, ALMOST LIKE WHERE THE UH, TO ELIMINATE THAT INCH OR INCH AND A HALF VERTICAL UNDERNEATH THE RIDGE CAP. 
          CAT. 
          I'M SORRY, ARE YOU TALKING WHERE THERE'S A BIRD STOP A THE BLOCKING WHERE HE'S POINTING THERE BASICALLY THAT AREA THERE BE FOLDED DOWN. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO BASICALLY THE BIRD STOP YES. 
          THAT COVERS THE, BETWEEN THE TWO SEAMS. WELL, THE TOP OF THE SEAM WOULD BE FOLDED OVER AND THEN THE RIDGE CAP WOULD MM-HMM. 
           RIDGE CAP WOULD BE MORE FLUSH WITH THE, THE MAIN PART OF THE ROOF RATHER THAN STANDING UP ABOVE THE ROOF. 
          IT'S A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP BASICALLY, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE IT, IF YOU CAN PICTURE IT THE SEAM THAT'S CREATED FROM EACH PANEL, YOU WOULD JUST FOLLOW THE SEAM UP AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A GAP TO WHERE THE ACTUAL CAP WOULD FOLD DOWN ON THE MUNCH PROFILE ITSELF. 
          DOES STAFF HAVE A DETAIL OF A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP? THAT'S PROBABLY AS AS GOOD AS WE HAVE A PHOTO OF. 
          UM, I GUESS IF YOU COULD IMAGINE THE, TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS, UM, IF YOU COULD IMAGINE TAKING, IF YOU COULD IMAGINE CUTTING THIS PROTECTIVE CAP TO WHERE YOU COULD BEND DOWN THIS SECTION HERE TO BE FLUSH WITH THE CRUMP, WITH THE C CRIMPED OR THE MUNCH TO WHERE BASICALLY YOU WOULD STILL GENERALLY FLASH AND HAVE THE CAP THAT WOULD PROPOSE OR THAT WOULD PROVIDE A BETTER LEVEL OF PROTECTION THAN WHAT YOU HAVE. 
          HOWEVER, THE ACTUAL SEAM WOULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE RIDGE ITSELF IN A SENSE TO MIMIC WHAT YOU SEE HERE. 
          UM, EDWARD, GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE THAT YOU HAD. 
          IT, IT APPEARS THAT THE, THAT THE RIDGE IS CUT SHORT. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST RIDGE, THE FIRST, UH, ON THE LOWER SIDE FROM THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAD THE SEAM, THE, THE, THAT RIGHT THERE, IS THAT A SHADOW LINE THAT SAYS IT WAS CUT AND THEN YOUR BIRD BLOCK WENT IN FRONT OF IT? OR IS THE BIRD BLOCK CUT AND FITTING OVER THE RIDGE OVER THE SEAM? IT IS, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          IT IS CUT AND THEN FIT OVER THE RIDGE. 
          IT'S FITTING OVER THE THE SEAM. 
          THE SEAM, YEAH. 
          WOW. 
          WELL IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE SCENARIO THAT I THINK CHAIRMAN'S TALKING ABOUT. 
          BUT, BUT IF IT'S BEEN CUT, YEAH, THEN THAT KIND OF MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO DO. 
          EDWARD, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR GUIDELINE DRAW PHOTO AND SHOW THE LOWER PHOTO 3, 3 4. 
          SO THAT'S MORE OF A DESIGN OF A, A HIP RATHER THAN A RIDGE RIDGE. 
          THAT MAKES A LITTLE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO GO LOWER AS YOU'RE GOING ALONG DOWNWARDS. 
          BUT SEE, SEE WHAT IT IS IS THAT THE RIDGE, THE SEAM IS A LOWER SEAM IS WHAT MAKES MAKES THAT AND THE HEIGHT OF THE SEAM, YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE END CAP IS A LOT SMALLER 
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AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL ATTEMPT TO DO TO MAKE IT MORE OF A, A LOW PROFILE. 
          SO THIS IS LIKE OUR FIRST FOURTH NON-COMPLIANT ROOF IN LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TWO MEETINGS WAS A PERMIT ISSUED FOR THIS INITIALLY. 
          YES. 
          IT CLEARLY SAYS A LOW RIDGE. 
          YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          AND WE, WE ATTEMPTED, WE INITIALLY ATTEMPTED THE WAY, SO YOU JUST THOUGHT I CAN'T DO IT. 
          SO IS THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE USING 24 GAUGE? CORRECT. 
          PEDAL IT 24 AFTER 26 6 AND EVERYBODY ELSE USES NOT, DOESN'T USE THAT. 
          WE, THE PROMISE THAT WE HAD TO REPLACE WITH WHAT WAS EXISTING AND EXISTING WAS A 24 GAUGE PANEL AND IT WAS HAVING ISSUES THEY INSTALLED AS THEY SHOULD PER YOUR DESIGN. 
          BUT IT WAS HAVING MANY ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE JUST BROUGHT UP. 
          WELL, WHICH, UH, IT'S WEIRD THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. 
          YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER, UM, WITH MR CHAIR YOU NEED TO LOWER THE PROFILE AND BY MODIFYING THE TRIANGLE IS NOT ENOUGH. 
          I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT CAN BE LOWERED. 
          IF, IF YOU COME UP AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO GIVE YOU THE SOLUTION, I THINK THAT MAYBE YOU CAN DO SOME MAYBE A TEST IN A LITTLE AREA AND IT SHOULD NOT ONLY INCLUDE THE TOP, IT SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE THAT 90 DEGREE OVER THERE BY THE STAIRS, WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET STAFF. 
          IF YOU KNOW WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          REMOVING THAT BENT THERE. 
          UH, ALSO LOWERING THE PROFILE OF THAT RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, IF YOU WANNA JUST DO A TEST AND SEE ALONG THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT MR. CHAIR WAS SAYING, WE CAN GO AND DO A SITE VISIT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE OPTIONS. 
          UH, EDWARD, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE? THAT WAS THAT, THAT ONE THAT YOU WERE USING AS AN EXAMPLE? M MR CHAIR. 
          I I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE VISUAL, THE VISUAL, UH, WHAT SCREAMS THE LOUDEST, RIGHT, IS THAT CAP. 
          I THINK IF THE, IF IF THAT CAP WAS ALTERED TO SIT ON TOP OF THE ROOF, LIKE THE CAP AND THE PICTURE WITH THE X ON IT, THAT THAT CAP WOULD COMPLETELY ALTER THE PERCEPTION THAT WE SEE IN THE PICTURE. 
          THAT IT'S, THAT IT MAY NOT BECAUSE THE RIDGES ARE ALL ALREADY A CERTAIN HEIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A BIG ROOF IS VERY HIGH IN THE MOST CASE SCENARIO. 
          SO IF THE, IF THE CARE WENT TO THE DETAIL OF THAT, OF THAT END TO DO WHAT'S BEING DONE AND THE PICTURE WHERE THE X IS THAT IT MIGHT CHANGE THE WHOLE VISUAL PERCEPTION AND IT MIGHT LOOK AS, AS ACCEPTABLE AS A RIDGE CAP CAN LOOK. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT IS A NICE DELICATE LITTLE DETAIL THERE. 
          AND, AND THE OTHER ONE, THAT BIG OLD TRIANGLE, UH, IT, IT, IT, IT REALLY INFORMS IT WAY, WAY MORE THAN IT THAN REALITY I THINK. 
          WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? WELL, UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE'RE ABOUT TO LOSE COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          SO WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A MOTION IF POSSIBLE. 
          I'LL DO A MOTION FOR D R C AND THAT COULD BE A SITE VISIT WHERE YOU SHOW US OPTIONS, BUT I WILL NOT, UM, I'M NOT SUPPORTING MOTION. 
          THERE'S JUST MODIFYING THAT TRIANGLE. 
          I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE DONE MORE. 
          IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL HOME. 
          IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL HOME THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE RIGHT AND IT AND IT'S NOT VERY VISIBLE. 
          IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          JUST TO BRING THIS UP TO YOU GUYS, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO A SITE VISIT. 
          D R C. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. 
          HAVE A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, I, I'M, UM, I WAS JUST, JUST THINKING IF A, IF A CONTINUANCE WAS MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE APPLICANT BUT IT'S PROBABLY, THERE'S PROBABLY NO DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? NO DIFFERENCE. 
          NO DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, OKAY, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          THATER. 
          AYE. 
          . 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE A SIDE VISIT. 
          THANK YOU COMMERS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND, SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THANK . 
          DON'T SAY THAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
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