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          [Roll Call]
          [00:00:07]
          I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 2021. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS HERE, FISH. 
          HERE, SAVINA. 
          HERE. 
          OLA. 
          PRESENT CARPENTER. 
          PRESENT GROUP HERE. 
          AND ZER. 
          HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT FROM OUR, UM, INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          CAN 
          [Chairman’s Statement]
WE PLEASE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN STATEMENT? THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. 
          THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN ENGLISH IN SPANISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETER SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. 
          IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL THE CASES ON THE AGENDA IN A TIMELY MANNER, APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. 
          AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          WE'RE THERE WE GO. 
          YEAH, LET'S PUT THE CASE LIST ON THE SCREEN AND THEN BRIEFLY WE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING, UM, THE COMMISSION ROSTER. 
          UM, SO WE'RE PLEASED TO WELCOME BACK, UH, JAY MAURICE GIBBS AS OUR, UM, MAYORAL APPOINTEE. 
          UM, JAY IS REPLACING PAULA AND HE WAS PREVIOUSLY THE COMMISSIONER FOR DISTRICT TWO. 
          SO HE'S, UH, WELL VERSED ON, UH, H C R C AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM BACK. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE HAVE THE CASE LIST FOR TODAY'S HEARING. 
          UM, A FEW UPDATES. 
          ITEMS THREE AND FOUR HAVE BEEN POSTPONED TO NOVEMBER 3RD DUE TO LACK OF, UH, QUORUM FOR THOSE ITEMS. UM, ITEM 18, UH, 2 0 9 ALAMO PLAZA HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO NOVEMBER 3RD AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. 
          UM, SO IF YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT SUBMITTED COMMENTS ON THOSE CASES, UM, THOSE, UH, YOUR COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PLAYED. 
          UM, AND WHEN THOSE ITEMS ARE HEARD, UM, WE WILL PLAY THEM. 
          IF YOU WANT TO RERECORD OR UPDATE YOUR MESSAGE, YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO LOOK OUT FOR INFORMATION ON HOW TO DO THAT. 
          UM, MOVING FORWARD TO ITEMS, ACTUALLY BEFORE WE GET TO CONSENT 
          [Approval of Minutes]
AGENDA, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE ITEM OF H C R C MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 6TH, AND WE'LL NEED A MOTION IN ACTION ON THAT MOVE FOR APPROVAL. 
          I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          UM, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE OR ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [Public Comments]
OKAY. 
          UM, AND NEXT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. 
          UM, AS A REMINDER, UM, YOU CAN USE THE CASE LIST TO SEE IF WE HAVE A LETTER AVAILABLE. 
          UM, OTHERWISE WE'LL JUST PLAY THE VOICEMAILS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FOR THOSE CASES. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST IS ITEM SIX. 
          WE HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS IN OPPOSITION THAT WE'LL PLAY NOW, EXCUSE ME, COREY. 
          SURE. 
          I NEED TO RECUSE ON ITEM SEVEN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ITEM COMM. 
          I NEED TO RECUSE ON ITEM SEVEN. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO HEAR ALL THE COMMENTS AND THEN RECUSE? I THINK YOU ONLY NEED TO RECUSE FOR THE VOTE. 
          UM, ALMA, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT'S CORRECT SO YOU CAN STAY FOR THE COMMENTS 
          [00:05:01]
AND THEN THEN STEP OUT? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS AND I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN, AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNA WITTY HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON OUR COMMENTS ON H C R C CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 0 9 9 11 NORTH PINE STREET. 
          WE DO NOT SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR SEVERAL REASONS. 
          DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBOR IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY REVEALS THAT THEY ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF A SECOND STORY PATIO DIRECTLY OVERLOOKING THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THIS ARRANGEMENT IS CONTRARY TO THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DISCUSSED THESE CHANGES WITH THIS NEIGHBOR. 
          A TREE IS BEING REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH DECKING, FURTHER, TAKING AWAY THE PRIVACY OF NEIGHBORS AND NECESSITATING A CHANGE TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          THE SHORTENED CARPORT NOW FEATURES AN EXTENSION THAT ENDS PAST THE SIDE PLANE OF THE HOME. 
          THE CARPORT IS NOW ATTACHED TO THE HOME. 
          A CHARACTERISTIC NOT NORMALLY ALLOWED IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND A RELATED ISSUE IS NOW MORE APPARENT ON THE PROVIDED DRAWING. 
          THE KITCHEN DOOR NO LONGER SHOWN IN THESE DRAWINGS, BUT INCLUDED IN THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR THIS PROJECT THAT EXITS ONTO THE DRIVEWAY IS ONLY A FOOT AND A HALF FROM THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO THE DRIVE. 
          THIS DOES NOT LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR A 36 INCH DEEP STOOP AS REQUIRED BY CODE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS NICK SPIKER. 
          I'M CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM SIX H D R C, CASE NUMBER 5 0 9. 
          UH, SPECIFICALLY THE SECOND STORY DECK, THE EXTENSION OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DECK. 
          I INCLUDED THREE PHOTOS. 
          UM, PLEASE PULL THOSE UP NOW THEY'RE LABELED ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 
          SO I WILL BE ADDRESSING PHOTO ONE FIRST. 
          UM, I TOOK A LADDER, THE BIGGEST LADDER I HAD OVER TO THE, UH, WHERE THE DECK WAS TO BE BUILT AND, UH, GOT UP ON IT AND TOOK THIS PHOTO. 
          IT'S PROBABLY NOT AS TALL AS THE DECK WILL BE. 
          I THINK I'M ABOUT 13 FEET UP HERE. 
          BUT JUST SHOWING THE VIEW, UH, FROM THE DECK, UH, ONTO OUR BACK PORCH. 
          IT'S NOT MUCH OF A DECK, IT'S MORE LIKE AN OBSERVATIONAL DECK. 
          UH, WE FIND THIS TO BE INAPPROPRIATE. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THE TABLE THERE WHERE WE SOMETIMES HAVE DINNER. 
          UH, SO IF ANYONE'S OUT ON THAT DECK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BASICALLY BE HANGING OUT WITH THEM, UH, WHETHER WE WANT TO BE OR NOT. 
          UH, SO WE FIND THAT A LITTLE UNNEIGHBORLY AND A LITTLE INAPPROPRIATE. 
          UM, GO AHEAD AND GO TO, UH, PHOTO TWO. 
          ON THIS PHOTO. 
          I'M JUST SHOWING THE VIEW, UH, FROM OUR BACK PORCH AREA, SHOWING WHERE THE DECKS TO BE BUILT THERE ON THE, I'M GUESSING ON THE DRY LINE SIDE ON THAT AREA. 
          OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE OVERHANGING OVER THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, THIS LITTLE BLACK SQUAT CAGE HERE IS WHERE I DO MY WORKOUT EACH MORNING, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW INAPPROPRIATE, UH, THIS IS. 
          UH, THIS HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN IS, UH, 120 YEARS OLD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND NOW PHOTO NUMBER THREE IS JUST ANOTHER VIEW FROM A LITTLE BIT FARTHER BACK, UH, BETWEEN A LITTLE BACK PORCH TABLE AND THE, UH, WORKOUT CAGE. 
          SO THAT IS THAT. 
          UM, WE WE'RE, UH, THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF VIOLATIONS, I WOULD ASSUME WITH THE DECK. 
          UM, BUT WE WOULD PREFER IF IT WAS JUST ON THE GROUND AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE. 
          UM, THE HOUSES ARE ALREADY OBTRUSIVE ENOUGH AND ALTER THE CHARACTERISTIC CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR YARD AND OUR HOUSE SUCH A DEGREE. 
          I JUST ASK FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE TO PLEASE DENY, UH, THE EXTENSION OF THIS DECK TO BE TWO STORIES TALL. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. 
          HAVE A GREAT DAY. 
          UM, AND WE'RE GONNA PAUSE REALLY QUICKLY TO TRY A SCREEN SHARING SETTING. 
          SO ONE MOMENT. 
          [00:10:09]
OKAY. 
          NOW VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM UH, EIGHT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          YES. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE MP A'S PRESIDENT DREA GARZA AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. 
          OUR PO ADDRESS IS POST OFFICE BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE ARE OFFERING COMMENTS REGARDING THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 1 4 NORTH DRIVE, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH 4 6 9. 
          WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES AND PROPERTIES. 
          WE THANK THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND H D R C COMMISSIONERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE OCTOBER 14TH, 2021 ONSITE MEETING FOR THIS CASE. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND NOTE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS REPLACED ALL THE RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY APPROACHES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE ENTIRE STREET OF FUR DRIVE IN 2021 CLUB DRIVE IN 2016, AND THEN THOSE LOCATED ON THE 200 BLOCK OF QUENTIN DRIVE IN 2021 TO MATCH HISTORIC PROFILES WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT BEING AMENABLE TO MATCH EXISTING, UM, WIDTH AND PROFILES LOCATED ON THE 300 BLOCK OF NORTH AND WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR, AND ALSO FOR REPOSITIONING THEIR DRIVEWAY TO BE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND ELIMINATING THE CURVE IN THE FRONT DRIVEWAY. 
          UH, NEW INSTALLATION LOCATED ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO ASSISTING IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE, UH, IF NEEDED FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UM, PROFILE AND WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY APPROACH. 
          UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER THESE COMMENTS. 
          OKAY, AND ITEM 15. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS IN REGARD TO ITEM 15 2 44 WEST HOUSTON, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS CONCERNS REGARDING THE RECENT PROLIFERATION OF MURALS ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN AND THEIR LONG-TERM CARE AND PLACEMENT. 
          THIS PARTICULAR MURAL IS CITED AND WILL BE HIGHLY VISIBLE ALONG THE SAN PEDRO CREEK. 
          IN ADDITION, IT FACES THE HISTORIC ST. 
          JAMES A M E FOUNDATION SHOULD THIS MURAL BE APPROVED. 
          THE THEME SHOULD REFERENCE OR RELATE TO THE HISTORY OF THE CREEK IN SOME WAY AS OTHERS ALONG THE CREEK CURRENTLY DO. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          [CONSENT AGENDA]
OKAY. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS WE HAVE FOR CONSENT ITEMS. AFTER HEARING THOSE TWO COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION, UH, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER SIX AND NUMBER 15, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A RECUSAL FROM, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER, SO HE'LL BE LEAVING THE ROOM FOR US AND VICE-CHAIR CARPENTER WILL PROCEED OVER THE VOTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET THE RECORD, UH, STATE THAT CHAIRMAN FETZER HAS LEFT THE ROOM. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINING CASES? I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ALL OF THE CASES, UH, EXCEPT WITH NUMBER SIX, NUMBER 15, NUMBER THREE, AND NUMBER FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DOES THAT INCLUDE STAFF STIPULATIONS? WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          OLA. 
          AYE CARPENTER? UH, JUST A SECOND. 
          DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE? OH, SIR. 
          YOUR CASE IS GONNA BE CALLED UP NEXT? YEP. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, AYE AND GROUP AYE. 
          [00:15:01]
MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 34 EAST MULBERRY 5 29 DIVINE SAN PEDRO CREEK, PHASE 3, 2 50 EAST GRAYSON, THREE 14 NORTH SEVEN 15, LABOR THREE 14 MARSHALL, 25 11 NORTH FLORES, 2115 NORTH INTERSTATE, HIGHWAY 35, 2 40 WEST WEST ELLWOOD 2 33 LAVERA 4 21 BELL KN AND ONE 20 NO GTOS. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO REMAIN ON THE WEBEX FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          [6. Address/Description: 911 N PINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2021509 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: LLyas Salahuddin Request: Addition of staircase, amendment to previously approved carport, extension of previously approved deck City Council Dist.: 2]
OKAY, SO WE'LL HERE, ITEM 6, 9 11 NORTH PINE AT THIS TIME, UM, AND THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT SO YOU CAN APPROACH THE PODIUM. 
          THANK, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, MY NAME IS ELIAS INE AND, UM, I'M EXCITED TO POTENTIALLY PURCHASE THIS HOME. 
          UM, I WANT TO START OUT BY SEEING THE, THE PICTURES THAT THE, THE PERSON, UH, SUBMITTED WAS ON THE WRONG, UH, SIDE OF THE HOME. 
          UM, THE CARPORT WOULD, THE CARPORT DECK WOULD BE LOOKING OUT ON THE, ON NORTH ALPINE. 
          SO, UM, THAT STREET NOT BEHIND HIS HOUSE. 
          SO IT'S NOT ON THAT SIDE. 
          SEE THAT WHITE HOUSE? IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE WRONG PHOTOS THAT HE, THAT HE SUBMITTED. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO WHERE THE, WHERE THE, WHERE THE DECK WOULD BE. 
          UH, THE SECOND THING IS I HAD A LAKE, UH, PLATO ARCHITECT, UM, DO, DO THE DRAWING. 
          SO WE STAYED IN COMPLIANCE, UM, WITH, UH, WHATEVER WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. 
          UM, THOSE ARE JUST THE STAIRWAYS JUST TO THE STAIRWAY TO GET UP TO THE, TO THE, TO THE DECK. 
          UM, THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS, UM, ON THAT SIDE, UM, FROM WHERE HE SAID THOSE SUBMITTED THOSE, UH, PHOTOS. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT HE ADDRESSED WAS THE TREE. 
          UM, THERE'S NO TREE THERE RIGHT NOW, AND IF, UM, THERE WAS A TREE, IT'D BE A VERY SMALL TREE. 
          IT'S JUST A TWIG PRETTY MUCH BY THE TIME IT GOT TO ITS, UM, MATURITY AT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, IT WOULDN'T ADD ANY ADDITIONAL PRIVACY. 
          UM, MY SOLUTION WOULD BE TO HAVE, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME IN THE HOME AT, WHEN I GO UPSTAIRS AND IN THE, UM, DRIVE IN THE CLOSET THAT LOOKS, THAT OVERLOOKS INTO HIS PRIVACY OF THE HOME. 
          I MEAN, SO EVERY DAY I'M WALKING UP IN MY STAIRS, OR WHEN I'M IN MY, WHEN I'M IN MY CLOSET, I CAN SEE INTO HIS HOME. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND HIS PRIVACY. 
          BUT THE WAY THE HOUSE WAS DESIGNED, UM, JUST IN THE HOME, I'M LOOKING AT IT ON IT IN IT EVERY DAY. 
          SO WHAT I PROPOSE IS PUTTING A, UM, NON-INVASIVE BAMBOO, A CLUMPING BAMBOO THAT GROWS VERY HIGH TO, TO WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO SEE IN HIS HOME EVERY DAY. 
          UM, NOR WHEN I'M JUST WALKING UP THE STAIRWELL, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOK OVER INTO HIS HOME. 
          BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE PHOTOS THAT HE PRESENTED WAS NOT ON THE RIGHT, WAS NOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF WHAT, WHERE I WOULD HAVE THE, UM, THE CARPORT SLASH UM, DECK. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          AND I THINK THIS, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DISRUPT ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'M ACTUALLY FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I GREW UP IN ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD I COULDN'T PURCHASE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T AFFORD IT. 
          AND THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO OWN A HOME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'M VERY EXCITED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'M MOVING BACK TO SAN ANTONIO. 
          I PLAN, IT'S IT'S OWN COMMERCIAL, SO I'M PLANNING ON, UM, STARTING A BUSINESS BELOW, AND I'M LOOKING JUST TO HAVE A STAIRCASE. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL STORY THAT, YOU KNOW, I GET TO COME HOME IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I GREW UP IN AND PURCHASE A HOME, START A BUSINESS, UM, THAT WHAT I ALSO WOULD THINK WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO ONE THING I WANT ALSO ADD IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, ATTACHMENT TO THE DECK. 
          THE WAY THE THE HOME IS DESIGNED, YOU CAN'T SEE THE DECK ON THAT STREET THAT YOU'RE DRIVING. 
          SO THE ONLY PERSON THAT COULD SEE THE DECK IS PRETTY MUCH MY NEIGHBORS. 
          I MEAN, THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED, I'M KIND OF TUCKED IN BETWEEN TWO, TWO DIFFERENT HOMES. 
          AND SO, UH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CARPORT, THE CARPORT, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. 
          SO, UM, TRADITIONALLY THERE'S, THERE'S NO, UH, CARPORTS ATTACHED TO THE, TO THE HOMES. 
          BUT IF YOU DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU DRIVE ON LAMAR STREET, YOU CAN SEE VARIOUS HOMES THAT HAVE THE CARPORT ATTACHED TO THE, TO THE HOMES. 
          HOWEVER, MINE IS NOT VISIBLE ON THAT STREET, SO IT'S TUCK TUCKED IN BEHIND SOME OF THE OTHER HOMES. 
          SO, UM, JUST THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT. 
          BUT ONCE AGAIN, UM, IT'S THAT THE, THE CARPORT, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR MARTA TO BE UNDER. 
          AT THE SAME TIME I FIGURED 
          [00:20:01]
I'D HAVE A DECK. 
          UM, SO I CAN, YOU KNOW, WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND SIT OUT ON THE DECK AND HAVE COFFEE. 
          UM, I PLAN ON HAVING MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS VISITING ME AS WELL. 
          SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PRIVATE ENTRANCE. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY PRIVATE, MY PRI PRIMARY CONCERN IS, UM, IS TO HAVE A PRIVATE ENTRANCE. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, SOLUTION ONE, UM, NON-INVASIVE BAMBOO SOLUTION TWO, I CAN PUT UP A SCREEN SOLUTION THREE, IF THE CARPORT IS REALLY THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE, I CAN SCRATCH IT AND JUST HAVE THE, THE SPIRAL OF STAIRCASE. 
          I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE SOLUTION THREE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME SOLUTIONS TO, UM, THE NEIGHBOR. 
          I'M WILLING TO TALK TO HIM, UM, AS WELL JUST TO, TO GET TO KNOW HIM AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING. 
          I DID NOT KNOW THE PROCESS. 
          I JUST FOLLOWED THE PROCESS THAT I WAS GIVEN. 
          IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DONE THIS. 
          UM, IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN THE PROCESS, I WOULD'VE, I WOULD HAVE SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBOR AND, UM, JUST TRY TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT BEFORE I GOT TO THE STAGE. 
          UM, THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT MY, UM, REBUTTALS. 
          AND, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU APPROVE, UM, THAT I COULD HAVE A PRIVATE ENTRANCE TO THE HOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MS. SAVINO? UH, YES. 
          UM, MR. UDIN, UH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          HOW LONG, UH, YOU ARE A PROPERTY OWNER NOW? CORRECT? YOU OWN THE PROPERTY? I DON'T, I'M JUST UNDER CONTRACT. 
          YOU'RE UNDER CONTRACT RIGHT NOW? I'M UNDER, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHEN I HAVE A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, UM, UH, WHEN THIS CASE FIRST CAME THROUGH FOR REVIEW BY THIS COMMISSION, ONE OF THE PROMINENT COMMENTS, UM, THAT WAS CONSISTENT ALSO WAS THE CONCERN ABOUT OVERBUILDING ALONG THE FRONT FACE OF THE BUILDING MM-HMM. 
          , UM, FOR BOTH UNITS AND FOR THE NEXT TWO UNITS. 
          AND SO FOR THAT REASON, UH, WHEN THE APPLICANT WHO WAS THE BUILDER CAME FORWARD REQUESTING A GARAGE DOOR IN THE CARPORT, THAT GARAGE DOOR WAS DENIED BECAUSE IT BEGINS TO CREATE MM-HMM. 
           A CONSISTENT PLANE OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ACROSS. 
          AND IT, UM, WAS VERY OVERWHELMING. 
          NOT TO MENTION, NOT CHARACTERISTIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS ONCE WE START BUILDING ABOVE THE CARPORT, WE SET A PRECEDENT AND WE BEGIN TO ADD MASSING, EVEN IF IT IS LIGHT WIRE OF ENCLOSURE AND CREATING THAT WALL AND ENCLOSING, UM, TO CREATE, UM, UM, MASSING, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA PUT A, UM, UH, WHAT DO YOU SAY, A, A, A PERGOLA OVER IT OR SOME LIGHTS OVER IT, AND IT BEGINS TO BE ENCLOSED. 
          SO IT'S THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION ON THESE VERY SMALL SITES THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          NOW, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS TALKED ABOUT, UM, LACK OF PRIVACY FROM THE NORTH. 
          UM, AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT ON THE EAST SIDE YOU'RE BUILDING ON A ZERO LOT LINE, THERE'S A ZERO LOT LINE WHERE THAT CARPORT IS CORRECT? I WHEN YOU MEAN, IS THERE A LOT LINE, ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S A LINE THAT I CAN'T PASS? IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO. 
          ON THE, ON, LET'S SEE, AS YOU'RE FACING, YOU'RE FACING THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT, TO THE EAST, THAT CARPORT IS BUILT PRETTY MUCH ON THE PROPERTY LINE, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING THE DECK ABOVE THAT, YOUR EAST NEIGHBOR IS ALSO EXPERIENCING THIS LACK OF PRIVACY. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO ARE YOU PLANNING TO ASK YOUR NEIGHBOR TO PLANT BAMBOO FOR PRIVACY OR HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THEM? I, I, I WILL. 
          UM, NOT KNOWING NOW I KNOW THIS PROCESS, I WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK WITH THEM AND, AND ASK IF I COULD PLANT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVES, YOU KNOW, THEM PRIVACY AS WELL AS MYSELF. 
          UM, I MEAN, FROM THE WAY THAT, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S DESIGNED INSIDE THE HOUSE, I'M CONSTANTLY LOOKING FROM THE MASTER BEDROOM OR THE MM-HMM. 
           LIVING ROOM ONTO BOTH, BOTH LOTS. 
          OR WHEN I'M GOING INTO THE, INTO THE, UM, TO THE CLOSET TO GET DRESSED EVERY MORNING MM-HMM. 
          , UM, IT'S JUST A CONSTANT VISUAL OF THE LOT. 
          SO IF I COULD PUT SOME FORM OF BARRIER, UM, THE BAMBOO NON-INVASIVE, I WOULD LOVE TO, IF THEY BOTH PROVE IT AS WELL, I, I WOULD LOVE TO, UM, TAKE THAT COST ON AND, AND PLAN SOMETHING THAT COULD GIVE MYSELF AND THE NEIGHBORS, UH, PRIVACY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IT STILL, UM, DOESN'T, UM, I MEAN, IT RELIES ON THE SUCCESS OF THE BAMBOO TO GET THAT TALL AND BE MAINTAINED. 
          SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IS THAT, THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN YOUR EAST PROPERTY LINE AND YOUR NAB YOUR OTHER NEIGHBORS, SO YOU'VE GOT TWO NEIGHBORS THAT YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ENCROACHING PRIVACY AND THEN JUST THE OVERALL, UM, ADDITIONAL DECK SIZE ALONG WITH CARPORT AND NOW ANOTHER DECK. 
          UM, I REALLY FEEL LIKE, AND THAT THE LOT IS BEING OVERBUILT. 
          OKAY. 
          MY INTERPRETATION OF THE GUIDELINES AND THE PRINCIPLES MM-HMM. 
           TELL ME THAT THIS IS BEGINNING TO BE, UM, VERY, VERY DIFFERENT TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE AFFECTING OTHER NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, I'M ALSO, UM, I'M OKAY WITH JUST HAVING A, 
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A STAIRCASE AND NOT HAVING A LARGE CARPORT DECK. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M, UM, WILLING TO DO AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I'M JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PRIVATE ENTRANCE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL. 
          I'M PLAN ON HAVING A BUSINESS DOWNSTAIRS, UM, FAMILY OVER COMING IN AND OUTTA TOWN. 
          I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT I COULD PRIVATELY ENTER. 
          I'M TOTALLY COOL WITH SCRATCHING THE, THE CARPORT DECK AND JUST HAVING SOMETHING, I CAN COME IN AND OUT AND THAT'S IT, WHERE I'M NOT HANGING OUT WHATSOEVER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, OVERLOOKING THE, THE, MY NEIGHBORS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, IT WOULD BE JUST THE SAME AS ME LEAVING THE HOME, LOOKING INTO THEIR BACKYARD OR LEAVING THE HOME FROM MY PRIVATE ENTRANCE LOOKING IN. 
          I MIGHT COMING UP AND DOWN, WHICH I BELIEVE, UM, AND THE, THE PRIVATE ENTRANCE WOULD BE A STAIRCASE, WHICH IS STRAIGHT UP AND IT'S JUST IN AND OUT. 
          SO I WOULD NOT, UM, I, I WOULD ASK MY, I WOULD ASK MY ARCHITECT TO, TO, YOU KNOW, SCRATCH UP SOMETHING WHERE IT'S NOT A, UH, CARPORT NOR A DECK AND JUST SOMETHING THAT COMES IN THAT WOULD BE AN, UH, A GOOD THING TO PURSUE AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT MAIN CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A JUST QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, AND THIS MAY ALSO BE FOR STAFF, 'CAUSE I, I CAN'T TELL FROM READING THE FINDINGS. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE A, A PLATTER, A SITE PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT SETBACKS, BUT IS THERE A DEDICATED SETBACK OF, UH, TYPICALLY IT'S THREE FEET FOR HARDSCAPE, FIVE FEET FOR STRUCTURE, UH, ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          THESE LOTS ARE, EXCUSE ME. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          THESE LOTS ARE ZONED AT Z SO THAT, THAT THEY'RE, THAT, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT RIGHT. 
          TO THE PROPERTY LINE LIKE THAT? CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS, JUST FOR BACKGROUND, CARPORTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THE SITE. 
          IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR OLD, THE APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS REALLY JUST A REVISION TO THAT APPROVAL, AND YOU ARE CORRECT, COMMISSIONER S YOU KNOW THAT THE GARAGE DOORS WERE STIPULATED TO BE REMOVED FROM THAT DESIGN, SO IT IS JUST AN OPEN CARPORT THAT'S APPROVED. 
          JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE, THE SETBACK ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          SO I, I FOLLOW A LITTLE BIT, UM, A CONCERN OF OF, OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER I'M, I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE BUYING THE PROPERTY. 
          I WASN'T AWARE THAT THIS WAS AN INDIVIDUAL REQUEST AND WAS KIND OF AFRAID THAT THIS WOULD MAYBE A REQUEST THAT WAS GONNA COME UP AGAIN WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES. 
          UM, WHAT I SEE IS I ACTUALLY, I MEAN, I DON'T, THE CARPORT WERE APPROVED AND THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK A VERY IMPORTANT POINT TO KNOW THAT THE CARPORTS WERE APPROVED MM-HMM. 
          , AND YOU'RE BASICALLY ADDING A LITTLE FENCE AROUND IT. 
          UM, I DO AGREE THAT THE NEIGHBOR DID, UH, SUBMIT SOME WRONG PICTURES AND, AND, AND THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN ARE ALSO VERY VALID BECAUSE HE'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT  AND HE'S GONNA, IT'S NOT ONLY YOUR HOME, IT'S THE OTHER FOUR THAT'S GONNA AFFECT HIM AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THE STREET GOES UP, SO OF COURSE IT WILL BE WORSE FOR HIM IF SOMEBODY ELSE DOWN, FURTHER DOWN DOES THE DECK. 
          YOU'RE KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, SO THAT'S LESS AFFECTING HIM THAN MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHERS IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, WHICH COULD BE A REASON TO NOT APPROVE FUTURE DECKS. 
          UM, THAT LITTLE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF CREATES ALSO A LITTLE BIT MORE LOT COVERAGE, SO MAYBE THAT COULD BE REMOVED BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE INITIAL CO PORT REQUEST REQUEST. 
          SO YOU'RE EXPANDING THE CARPORT. 
          LIKE I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T BE AGAINST SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE NOT EXPANDING THE PRE-APPROVED CARPORT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE DRAWING IS THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS OF WHAT WAS APPROVED. 
          IT SHOWS 16 FEET. 
          YES. 
          I, UM, WE GOT THE APPROVED, UH, DRAWING FROM THE, FROM THE BUILDER AND THEN THE ARCHITECT THAT I BROUGHT ON, HE MADE SURE THIS, THIS DID NOT GO BEYOND, UM, ANYTHING THAT WASN'T APPROVED. 
          SO HE WANTED TO, UM, AND HE'S, AS I MENTIONED, HE'S A LAKE FLIGHT ARCHITECT, SO THE BEST OF THE BEST. 
          AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY HIM. 
          HE'S A FRIEND OF MINE THAT I, YOU KNOW, JUST VOLUNTEERED. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, UM, HE MADE SURE HE STAYED IN COMPLIANCE AND THAT HE DIDN'T GO BEYOND WHAT WAS NOT APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS AS WELL. 
          UM, ONE IS THE ENLARGED DECK IN THE BACKYARD, UH, AND THEN ALSO THE, UM, THE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE THAT WOULD BE CREATED BY THE DECK ABOVE THE CARPORT. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE YOU OFFERING TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS MM-HMM. 
           AND, UH, LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS AND PRESENT YOUR 
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IDEAS TO THEM. 
          UM, YOU HAVE OFFERED SOME OPTIONS HERE TODAY, AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, UM, WE COULD SEND THIS TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ALLOW YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AND THEN COME BACK TO US TO THE, UH, REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH AN ALTERNATE PROPOSAL LIKE YOU HAD DISCUSSED TODAY, UM, WITH, I BELIEVE YOU, THE SPIRAL STAIR UP TO A PRIVATE ENTRANCE TO THE, TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL PLANTING. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IF, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, SIR. 
          CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I JUST HAVE A THOUGHT I'D I'D ADD, AND THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION HERE. 
          UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DECK THAT'S PROPOSED IS, IS SET BACK WHAT I APPEARS TO ME TO BE. 
          I JUST, I GUESS ABOUT 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND I, I DON'T HAVE A, AN ACUTE CONCERN ABOUT THE STAIR OR AN ACCESS TO THE UPPER LEVEL, BUT I DO SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE FOOTPRINT. 
          SO MY PERSONAL POSITION IS I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES THAT THE APPLICANT OFFERED AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO DO THINK WE NEED TO SEE THAT SKETCHED UP AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE CONSEQUENCES ARE. 
          AND I ALSO THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT THAT THE APPLICANT HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, UH, MOVE TO SEND THIS TO THE D R C. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO SEND THIS TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS, WE COULDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU, SO DO YOU MIND SAYING SURE. 
          I GREAT FISH. 
          LET'S TRY AGAIN. 
          LET ONE MORE TIME. 
          LET'S SEE HIS LIPS MOVING, BUT DON'T HEAR HIM. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE. 
          CURTIS, YOU FROZE. 
          CAN YOU TRY ONE MORE TIME PLEASE? , WE'LL GET BACK TO HIM. 
          UM, SABINA, AYE. 
          OLA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRO. 
          AYE. 
          ZER AYE. 
          NOW FISH, WE'LL TAKE IT AS AN AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          HE DID A THUMBS UP, SO I, I'D COUNT THAT. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, TAKE THIS TO, TO MY N YES. 
          UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SCHEDULE THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, IN THE MEANTIME, UH, WE SUGGEST THAT YOU MEET WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, GET, TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS AND WHAT YOUR DESIGN IS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE SCHEDULE WOULD BE THAT IF ALL THIS HAPPENS, YOU'D BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA HERE FOR THE FIRST, UH, NOVEMBER 1ST WEDNESDAY AND NOVEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST PRETTY MUCH SEE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THEM FOR MY, MY, UH, SOLUTIONS. 
          YES. 
          COOL. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          [15.Address/Description: 244 W HOUSTON ST HDRC Case No.: 2021474 Historic District Name: Main/Military Plaza Applicant: Alan Neff/36square Request: Exterior alterations, storefront installation, canopy installation, patio seating installation, painting, signage, mural installation City Council Dist.: 1]
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM 15, UM, WHICH WAS PULLED, UH, BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          AND I HAVE ADDED MR. NEFF TO THE PANELISTS. 
          MR. NEFF, CAN WE HEAR YOU? CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, SIR. 
          MR. NEFF, CAN YOU TRY UNMUTING AND SAYING SOMETHING? THERE WE GO. 
          WE, YES. 
          HELLO? I CAN HEAR YOU. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN. 
          UM, THERE WE GO. 
          SO I BELIEVE WE HAD QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, YES, MR. NEFF. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION AND THE GREAT, UH, RENDERINGS OF YOUR PROPOSAL. 
          UM, I DO WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S QUESTION ABOUT THE MURAL OPTION. 
          MIGHT THERE BE A OPTION C SOMEWHERE IN THE PLANS IN RESPONSE TO THEIR REQUEST? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, HONESTLY, THERE IS PROBABLY OPTIONS A THROUGH Z ON THIS MURAL. 
          UM, THE INTENT OF MY CLIENT IS TO, UH, RESTORE THE EXTERIOR 
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AND INTERIOR OF THIS EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR, I THINK A FEW YEARS NOW SINCE JUNIPER TAR CLOSED. 
          UM, AND SO REALLY IT'S, IT'S IN DIRE SHAPE. 
          UH, THEY WANNA FULLY REDO THE EXTERIOR AND AS THE, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY POINTED OUT, THE SAN PEDRO CREEK IS BEING ALL REHABBED AND IS BEAUTIFUL, THEY WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT BY PUTTING SOME PUBLIC ART ON THE CAMERON STREET WALL. 
          AND THEY KINDA SHOT ME TWO SCREENSHOT IMAGES ONE DAY OF WHAT THEY WERE THINKING, WHICH WERE INTERACTIVE MURALS WHERE PEOPLE COULD, YOU KNOW, STAND NEXT TO 'EM AND DO THEIR INSTAGRAM PHOTOS AND KIND OF BE A PART OF HAPPENINGS ALL ALONG THIS AREA AND ENCOURAGE TRAFFIC TO THEIR RESTAURANT AND BAR. 
          UM, BUT THE, MY CLIENT DOES NOT HAVE, UH, A MURAL ARTIST YET. 
          THEY'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO GET, UH, ALL THE APPROVALS THEY NEED TO START CONSTRUCTION AND KIND OF GET OPERATIONAL. 
          I ASKED THEM LAST NIGHT ABOUT, UH, THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION BECAUSE I RECEIVED THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S LETTER AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANSWERS FOR THAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ENGAGED AN ARTIST YET. 
          BUT THEY'RE OPEN TO LOTS OF IDEAS. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HAMMERED DOWN YET. 
          AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT PROCESS YOU'D RECOMMEND, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVAL ON THE, THE BUILDING ASPECTS OF THIS AND KIND OF RETAIN, I DON'T KNOW, A SUBSEQUENT REVIEW OR STAFF REVIEW OF THE MURAL LATER. 
          THAT'S WHAT MY CLIENT WOULD PREFER. 
          UM, IN NO WAY DOES MY CLIENT WANT ANY KIND OF ADVERTISING OR ANYTHING SPECIFIC ON THIS, BUT, UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S CONCERN, AND I TRIED TO MAKE MY RENDERINGS LOOK PRETTY, BUT FRANKLY THERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MEAT OR SUBSTANCE IN THEM. 
          IT'S JUST KIND OF A PRETTY PICTURE. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE STAND AND WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY ON THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A GREAT POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE WHOLE AREA, NOT JUST, UH, MY CLIENT'S LEASE SPACE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES. 
          I GUESS IT'S WORKING AGAIN. 
          I I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE, UH, THE MATERIAL THAT'S OVER THE FACE OF THIS WALL IF THIS WALL IS ALREADY PAINTED, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YEAH, IT JUST HAS A COAT OF PRIMER ON IT REALLY. 
          BUT THE BRICK IS PAINTED AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS. 
          YES, I HAVE. 
          UM, I HAVE ONE THOUGHT ABOUT, ABOUT THE MURAL, AND I DO SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HERE. 
          UM, I TEND TO SEE OUR ROLE ON THIS COMMISSION AS MAKING A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE PROPOSAL WOULD CONSTITUTE SIGNAGE AND, AND I'M NOT PREPARED TO OFFER COMMENT BEYOND THAT. 
          HOWEVER, UH, I DO THINK A MURAL IS APPROPRIATE HERE AND CONCUR WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS. 
          I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND MAYBE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AS THIS GOES FORWARD. 
          IF IT, IF IT GETS APPROVED TODAY, UH, ABOUT THE SIGN-INS THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE. 
          BUT I'M NOT SURE THIS IS A GOOD THING HERE WITH THAT LEVEL OF REVIEW DOWN THE ROAD. 
          AND I'M HAPPY TO LISTEN, UH, TO COMMENTS FROM MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          JUST TO HAVE A QUICK COMMENT OR QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          ARE YOU ACCEPTING OF THE OTHER STIPULATIONS BY STAFF FOR THE OTHER ITEMS IN YOUR APPLICATION? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'VE REVIEWED THEM ALL IN DETAIL WITH EDWARD HALL AND, UM, YEAH, THERE'S NO PROBLEMS AT ALL WITH COMPLYING WITH ANY OF THE OTHER STIPULATIONS. 
          SO I, I POSE THIS TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          PERHAPS WE COULD GIVE, UM, UH, UH, APPROVAL FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT IN DISPUTE OR THAT HA THAT HE'S ACCEPTING OF, OF THE, UH, STIPULATIONS AND MAYBE JUST GIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE NOTION OF THE, UH, THE MURAL TO THEN BE PURSUED IN MORE DETAIL. 
          MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO, UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER JUST MENTIONED, HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO THAT, UM, ASKING FOR APPROVAL POSSIBLY ON THE BUILDING, THEN DEALING WITH THE MURAL LATER, IS THERE, WOULD THAT CREATE A SIGNIFICANT DELAY, UM, ON TRYING TO GET THE, UM, THE, UM, GENTLEMAN ON BOARD WITH THE MURAL? OR ARE YOU JUST THINKING 
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THAT IT WOULD TAKE AN EXTREMELY LONG PERIOD OF TIME? SO THAT'S WHY YOU ARE ASKING FOR JUST TO PROVE THE BUILDING NOW AND THEN GO FOR THE MURAL LATER? I DON'T ANTICIPATE MAJOR DELAYS IN ANY ASPECT OF, YOU KNOW, FINDING AN ARTIST OR DEVELOPING THE MURAL CONTENT. 
          UH, HOWEVER, MY CLIENT HAS TAKEN A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FROM SECURING THE LEASE SPACE TO HIRING ME AS THE ARCHITECT TO GETTING ON THE AGENDA AND MEETING WITH YOU TODAY. 
          TODAY. 
          UH, SO THEY'RE REALLY READY TO START CONSTRUCTION AND OPEN THEIR BUSINESS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY AND BE VIABLE. 
          UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE THEIR GOAL TO HAVE EVERYTHING APPROVED AT ONCE AND HAVE THE MURAL PAINTED, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY'RE OPEN. 
          UH, BUT, BUT WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS GETTING THE APPROVALS NECESSARY TO START REHABBING THIS BUILDING AND GETTING THEM OPERATIONAL. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. 
          IT DOES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          IT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, YES. 
          THE ONLY THING I WANNA MAKE SURE IS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE, UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER FISH SAYS WE'RE NOT THE VENUE TO APPROVE WHAT GOES ON THE WALL, WHAT WILL BE PAINTED, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CAREFUL THERE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, THE ONLY, TYPICALLY WHEN MURALS COME TO YOU, IT'S WHEN PAINT IS BEING APPLIED TO PREVIOUSLY UNPAINTED BRICK OR MASONRY. 
          IN THIS CASE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS PART OF THE OVERALL PACKAGE BECAUSE IT IS PREVIOUSLY PAINTED MASONRY. 
          AND SO IT MEETS THE GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE ART, WE, WE DON'T REALLY REVIEW THAT ONLY IN THE SENSE THAT WE MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A SIGNAGE COMPONENT, AND SO IT CAN'T INCLUDE ANY SORT OF CORPORATE BRANDING OR BRANDING, UH, RELATED TO THE BUSINESS OR LETTERS THAT COULD BE CONSTITUTED A SIGNAGE. 
          UM, BUT OTHERWISE PAINTING BRICK WITH, WITH A MURAL AND IF IT'S PREVIOUSLY PAINTED BRICK, THAT'S NORMALLY ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE CONSIDER THAT IN THE MOTION. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT SEEMS PRETTY MUCH WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND MAYBE FINDING SOME DESIGNS IN, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE ARE THE BODY TO BE DECIDING WHAT GOES ON THE WALL. 
          SO PERHAPS WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, WHAT IS IT, NUMBER EIGHT, AND INCLUDE A STIPULATION TO MEET WITH, UH, STAKEHOLDERS TO INCLUDE PERHAPS SAN PEDRO CREEK, UM, UH, THE ORGANIZATION AND THE, THE ENTITIES WORKING ON THAT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          WELL, YOU'RE STILL GONNA APPROVE NUMBER EIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA ADD THAT AS STIPULATIONS. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          UH, AND MR. CHAIR IF I MAY? UH, YES SIR. 
          UH, YEAH, AND I, I THINK I'D HAVE A PROBLEM STIPULATING THE ADDITION OF GROUPS THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE AN INTEREST OR A SEAT OR WANT A SEAT AT, AT THIS DISCUSSION. 
          IT, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO ENFORCE AND MAKE SURE THOSE MEETINGS WERE HAPPENING. 
          HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IS WILLING TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO HAVE A PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE MURAL, THEN THAT THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION AS ACCEPTABLE. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL AND, AND STAFF'S FINDINGS WITH THE STIPULATIONS. 
          ALL STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE, FISH WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH, SO WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. 
          LET'S DO THE THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWNS. 
          SEE YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          OLA AYE. 
          ABSENT CARPENTER? AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          ZER AYE. 
          AND LA IS ABSENT. 
          AND MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, JUST A REMINDER THAT ITEM 18 IS POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. 
          UM, SO MOVING 
          [19. Address/Description: 419 N MESQUITE ST/419, 423, 427 N MESQUITE HDRC Case No.: 2021493 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Pegy Brimhall/Figurd Request: Construction of three, 2story residential structures and one, detached 2story accessory structure City Council Dist.: 2]
ON TO ITEM 19. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 4 9 3 4 19, 4 23, AND 4 27 NORTH MESQUITE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THREE, TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND ONE TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOTS AT 4 19, 4 23, AND 4 27 NORTH MESQUITE. 
          THESE LOTS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE DI DITY HILL. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF 
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RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH W WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE FRONT PORCH AND DOOR B REORIENTED TOWARD DAWSON IS NOTED IN FINDING F TWO THAT ALL SQUARE FIXED WINDOWS ARE ELIMINATED AND REPLACED WITH LARGER WINDOWS. 
          THAT FEATURE ONE OVER ONE PROFILE WITH OPERABLE SASHES IS NOTED IN FINDING O THREE THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT WALKWAY BE POURED CONCRETE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT, AND THAT A WALKWAY BE ADDED ON DAWSON FOR THE NORTHERN CORNER STRUCTURE. 
          AND FOUR, THAT FENCING NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT WITHIN THE FRONT YARD IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE, INCLUDING THE RECESSED PORCH. 
          PRIVACY FENCING IS NOT TO EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          THERE'S ALSO A CASE COMMON IN REGARDS TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION. 
          THE APPLICANT, PEGGY BRIMHALL IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY. 
          HELLO COMMISSIONERS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, PLEASE PROCEED. 
          YES. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING ME ON THE AGENDA. 
          I KNOW WE'RE WORKING A BIT FAST, HOWEVER, UH, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT HAPPENED OVER THE D R C MEETING LAST WEEK WERE VERY POSITIVE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT WE THOUGHT THAT HOUSE B AND C WERE A BIT TALL. 
          SO, UH, MY DESIGN TEAM AND I WENT BACK AND, UH, STUDIED GABLE, UH, PITCHES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND FOUND THAT THERE WAS AMPLE PRECEDENCE FOR US TO REDUCE THOSE, WHICH MEANS THAT WHEN ONCE REDUCED, WE LOWERED THE HOMES THREE FOOT, SIX INCHES EACH. 
          AND, UH, NOW YOU SEE THAT THAT STIPULATION IS NOT INCLUDED. 
          SO, UM, UH, I THINK THAT'S A WIN FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UH, REGARDING THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED. 
          UH, STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR, LET'S START FROM THE BOTTOM UP SINCE THOSE, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED AS AS WE START. 
          SO IF WE GO TO STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR, IT'S ABOUT THE FENCING AND THAT IT SHOULD NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT LABELED IN OUR SITE PLAN, BUT WE ALSO UPON YOUR REQUEST, SHOWED IT IN OUR THREE D VIEWS. 
          SO ED, IF YOU CAN, UH, YEAH, GO FORWARD A COUPLE. 
          YEAH, SO YOU'LL SEE IT THERE ON DRAWING NUMBER TWO AND THEN YOU'LL SEE IT AGAIN. 
          UH, IF YOU GO ONE MORE, UH, THE OTHER ONE IS THE REAR VIEW MIRROR, UH, OR THE REAR VIEW MUTE, SORRY, I'M IN A VEHICLE RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S THE REAR VIEW, UH, ON DRAWING NUMBER TWO AT G 0 0 6. 
          SO, UH, WE MEET BOTH CRITERIA. 
          THEY DO NOT EXCEED FOUR IN THE FRONT AND THEY DO NOT EXCEED SIX IN THE BACK. 
          UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT, THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, ALSO STIPULATION NUMBER THREE, UH, ED, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. 
          UH, THE PROPOSED FRONT SITE A WALKWAY IS, UH, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE REMOVED SOME LINES SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK SO GRAPHICALLY IMPOSING, IMPOSING. 
          AND WE ALSO DIRECTED THE BUILDER TO DRAWING NUMBER FIVE ON THE SAME SHEET, WHICH SHOWS THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST YOUR TYPICAL, UH, HISTORIC WALKWAY THAT IS TO BE POURED CONCRETE AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO SIDEWALKS. 
          NUMBER FIVE IS WHAT'S SPECIFIED FOR THE FRONT. 
          AND NUMBER FOUR IS WHAT'S SPECIFIED IN THE REAR, UH, WHICH IS THE MORE DECORATIVE ONE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO CREATE A TRANSITION FROM THE PERMEATED, UH, UH, DRIVEWAY TO, UH, AND GRAVEL SURROUND AROUND THE HOUSE TO THE FRONT, TO THE SIDE, WELL TO THE ENTRY DOOR ON THAT SIDE. 
          OKAY, SO THAT'S STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR. 
          NUMBER THREE. 
          NOW FOR STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION TWO WEEKS AGO AND, UH, IT, IT'S THE SAME STAFF STIPULATION. 
          OUR COMPROMISE WAS TO MAKE EVERYTHING ALL WINDOWS OPERABLE. 
          UH, AND IT SEEMED LIKE MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, SU SUPPORTED THE IDEA THAT, UH, WE HAVE THESE, UH, SQUARE WINDOWS ONLY, OR MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY ON THE SECONDARY FACADES. 
          UH, AND THEY ARE APPLIED TO, UH, BATHROOM TYPE USES. 
          UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT I MENTIONED THAT. 
          I THINK THIS IS A NICE WAY OF SHOWING THAT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO COPY THE EXISTING HISTORICAL, UH, BUILDINGS. 
          WE ARE TRYING TO INTERPRET AND ALSO SHOW THAT WE ARE NEW BUT RESPECTFUL. 
          UH, AND SO HAVING THE NEW ITEM ON A SECONDARY FACADE IS THE WAY THAT I THOUGHT WE CAN, UH, DIFFERENTIATE OURSELVES BUT ALSO PAY RESPECT. 
          UH, DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS OR SHOULD I GO ON TO STIPULATION NUMBER ONE? 
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IF YOU'LL, UH, PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME CITIZEN COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE COMMISSION? VERY GOOD, THANKS. 
          OKAY, SO STIPULATION NUMBER ONE IS ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK AS WELL. 
          UM, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT UH, AT THIS CORNER WE HAVE ONE HOME THAT FACES DAWSON, ONE HOME THAT FACES MESQUITE AND AN EMPTY LOT, UH, OF WHICH IS, UH, NARROW AND LONG. 
          AND THE NARROW PART, WHICH IS USUALLY THE FRONT OF IT, RIGHT, UH, THAT ALSO FACES MESQUITE. 
          SO, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, ON, FOR MOST OF IT WE CAN SAY IT'S 50 50 FACING MESQUITE WITH A LOT THAT MOST LIKELY IS BETTER SITUATED IF IT FITS MESQUITE. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, UM, WE ARTICULATED TWO ENTRIES. 
          ONE ON THE LEGAL SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH FACES MESQUITE. 
          THE ADDRESS IS ON MESQUITE. 
          UH, THAT ONE IS UNDER THE PORCH, WHICH IS A CORNER PORCH. 
          BUT THEN WE ALSO TOOK AN ELEMENT, UH, FROM, UH, THE DRIVE SIDE OF THE, THE, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE SIDEWALK, MAYBE ED FROM THE DRIVEWAY SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          UH, WE HAVE AN AWNING FEATURE THERE THAT WE KIND OF PULLED OVER TO THE FRONT EDGE. 
          I GUESS THE FACADE WOULD BE, OR THE FRONT FACADE WOULD BE GOOD, UH, SORRY. 
          UM, SO THAT WE DO, UH, MAKE THAT CORNER FORMAL AS WELL. 
          AND, UH, THERE IS AN ENTRY FOR THE OWNER WHO, YOU KNOW, COMES HOME EVERY DAY AND IS ABLE TO, YES, DRAWING NUMBER TWO THAT WORKS, UM, COMES HOME EVERY DAY, PARKS UNDER THAT AWNING AND THEN COMES IN THROUGH THIS DOOR THAT FACES DAWSON AND IS IN, UH, INSIDE THE PROFILE OF THE GABLE, WHICH IS THE ELEMENT THAT PROTRUDES MOST TO THE FRONT, UH, AND UNDERNEATH THE SECOND STORY BALCONY. 
          SO IT, IT, THERE ARE A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS ON THIS CORNER THAT STARTS FROM THE PAVEMENT TO THE OVERHEAD AWNING TO THE BALCONY ABOVE IT, TO THE PROTRUDED GABLE ABOVE THAT. 
          SO I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD WAY OF SHOWING THE DIFFERENCE IN ENTRIES WHERE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CONFUSE VISITORS OR FUTURE BUYERS AND, AND WE ARE SHOWING, UH, FUNCTION AND, UH, AND AS, AS WELL AS AN AESTHETIC, UH, UH, ARTICULATION, UH, THAT WOULD BE POSITIVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, ALSO, UH, IF YOU RECALL OUR DISCUSSIONS, UH, THE HAVING THIS ENTRY UNDER THE GABLE WAS SOMETHING THAT ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS LIKED, AND THEN OUR OTHER, UH, UH, UH, OUR CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONER, UH, DID, DID UH, SUGGEST THAT THIS SIDE YARD WOULD BE USED AS A SIDE YARD. 
          SO, UH, CREATING A FORMAL ENTRY ON THIS SIDE MIGHT, UH, UH, NOT END UP AS INTENDED. 
          UH, AND, UH, AND WELL AND OTHER ITEMS LIKE THAT. 
          SO HOW ABOUT I STOP AND, AND WE START THE DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LILY FRANCOIS AND I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN STREET AND I'M CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF THE DITY HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS ON H G R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 9 3 4 1 9 MESQUITE STREET. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH AN ESPECIALLY, UH, EMPHASIS ON STIPULATION THAT THE NORTHERN MOST HOUSE BE REORIENTED TO FACE DAWSON STREET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          UM, JUST, UH, I WANNA SAY THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF HOW THE APPLICANT REALLY HAS WORKED WITH ALL OUR COMMENTS AND COME BACK WITH A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION. 
          I THINK LAST TIME WE HAD A HEATED DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS AND I THINK THE APPLICANT REALLY MADE A GOOD EFFORT TO, TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK. 
          UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS STATED A VERY GOOD CASE LAST TIME I ASKED HER TO MODIFY OR COME BACK WITH OTHER WINDOWS SOLUTIONS, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE SQUARE WINDOWS THAT ARE LEFT ON THE PROJECT ARE REALLY NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET THEY'RE IN BETWEEN OR IN THE BACK. 
          UM, I'M OKAY WITH THOSE, THE WINDOWS AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK THE APPLICANT, UM, 
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I WOULD SAY, I MEAN I THINK WE CAN LEAVE STIPULATION THREE AND FOUR BECAUSE I THINK SHE AGREES WITH THEM. 
          UM, AND, AND THE SOLUTION ON DAWSON, UM, I THINK I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS FROM D R C, BUT MAYBE THE ONE WAY, ONE LAST SOLUTION WHICH IS ALSO IN STAFF STIPULATION IS TO CREATE A WALKWAY ON DAWSON THAT GOES, IF YOU CAN GO TO PAGE 30, YEAH, 31 RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU WERE EDWARD ON, ON THE NORTH ELEVATION HAVE A WALKWAY THAT GOES TO THE FRONT DOOR THAT'S ON THE LEFT THAT FACES MESQUITE. 
          SO REALLY JUST HAVING THAT WALKWAY ON DAWSON EVEN MORE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S FRONTING DAWSON. 
          COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY ADDITION MAYBE TO JUST REALLY COMPLY WITH THAT STIPULATION. 
          BUT I THINK AS THE DESIGN AND THE PROJECT ITSELF, I THINK I WOULD APPROVE AS IS CHAIRMAN. 
          MR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, I, I, YES, 100% WE CAN MAKE THAT WALKWAY, UH, MEET THE SIDEWALK AT DAWSON. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          UM, FE UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER AND I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GRUB THAT, UH, THROUGH THE D R C THROUGH COMING THROUGH UH, COMMISSION HEARINGS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS HEARD ALL THE COMMENTS AND HAS ADDRESSED I BELIEVE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CONCERNS. 
          AND UH, I COULD SUPPORT, UH, THE PROJECT AND UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO EXTEND A SIDEWALK FROM THE SIDE ENTRY TO HOUSE C TO THE DAWSON, UH, STREET SIDEWALK, UM, AND I GUESS IF THERE'S A FENCE THERE, THERE'D BE A GATE AS WELL, A PEDESTRIAN GATE THERE AS WELL. 
          BUT UM, I'D BE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT THE SIDE DOOR, IT WOULD BE TO THAT FRONT DOOR THAT'S NOT VISIBLE EDWARD, I THINK NO, I WOULD SUGGEST FURTHER DOWN RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT THERE. 
          WELL A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THAT GOES INTO THAT FRONT DOOR THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT THERE. 
          OH, SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THE SIDEWALK FROM THE FRONT PORCH BECAUSE WHAT'S COMMON IN, WHAT'S COMMON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WE HAVE A DRIVEWAY AND THEN WE HAVE A WALKWAY. 
          IF WE PUT THE WALKWAY RIGHT NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY, I DON'T FIND THAT REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE FIND TYPICALLY. 
          AND SO PUTTING A WALKWAY RIGHT THERE TO THAT, IF YOU COULD HIGHLIGHT THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONSIDERED FRONT. 
          NO, I WOULD EVEN GO FURTHER UP RIGHT THERE IN THAT LITTLE NOTCH WHERE THE, SORRY, MAYBE I'LL GO TO THE ELEVATION AND THAT'LL BE BETTER. 
          I THINK THE, UH, APPLICANT UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS SAYING. 
          SO BASICALLY THE WALKWAY WILL GO IN THE NORTH ELEVATION, IT WOULD GO RIGHT UP TO THAT LITTLE GAP, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THIS EAST ELEVATION, IT WOULD GO TO THE PATIO THAT HAS THAT DOOR RIGHT THERE. 
          I SEE. 
          UH, MS. BRIMHALL, ARE YOU AGREEABLE TO THAT? WELL, I, WE DID TALK ABOUT HOW HAVING THE TWO DOORS THERE HISTORICALLY IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WOULD ENTER TWO DIFFERENT ROOMS. UM, SO THIS DOES NOT ENTER TWO DIFFERENT ROOMS. THIS ENTERS THE SAME ROOM. 
          UH, NO MS. BRIMHALL, I BELIEVE, UH, COMMISSIONER GRUB JUST SUGGESTED A SIDEWALK FROM THAT FRONT PORCH. 
          YEAH, I'M NOT ASKING FOR TO PUT ADD A DOOR IS JUST SO THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DAWSON AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, WE HAVE A FRONT DOOR, BUT WE HAVE A DRIVEWAY AND WE HAVE A SIDEWALK AND THAT'S, YES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I'M TALKING TO YOU FROM OTHER THAT PORCH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S JUST SO THAT WE CREATE THAT ENTRY AND ENTRANCE ON DAWSON BY THAT WAY. 
          CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER PAGE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WOULD SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER BIRD'S POSITION. 
          SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? I'LL DO A MOTION IF ANYBODY OKAY. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          A MOTION TO APPROVE HOLD ON. 
          SORRY, I'M SORRY. 
          I'LL PUT STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCREEN. 
          SO A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STIPULATION THREE AND FOUR. 
          AND I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT UNDERSTOOD WERE THE WALKWAYS TO BE ADDED ON DAWSON AND STAFF UNDERSTOOD THAT TOO. 
          I THINK JUST MAKE THAT A STIPULATION BUT ADD THE NEW PROPOSED WALKWAY AS A STIPULATION. 
          IT IS IN 
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STIPULATION THREE, THAT'S IN REGARDS TO THE DESIGN OF THE, THE PROPOSED WALKWAYS. 
          AND SO YOU'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL WALKWAY TO DAWSON TO ADD A WALKWAY BE ADDED ON DAWSON FOR THE NORTHERN COURT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SECOND, THE MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH AUDIO ISSUES? WE'LL DO YOU LAST CURTIS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SABINA? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          OLA AYE S IS ABSENT. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          FETZER AYE THE PHONE IS ABSENT AND WE'RE GONNA TRY FISH ONE MORE TIME. 
          WE'RE STILL HAVING SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES AND THERE'S A THUMB UP. 
          I'M JUST GONNA CLARIFY THAT THERE, THAT FISH DID APPROVE. 
          SO A MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, IT WAS A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THE INPUT AND I THINK THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          UH, HAVE A GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU MS. BIMAL. 
          [20.Address/Description: 125 MAGNOLIA DR HDRC Case No.: 2021504 Historic District Name: River Road RIO District: RIO1 Applicant: Sheryle Leal/Precision Contracting Request: Exterior modifications, construction of a front porch City Council Dist.: 1]
OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 20 H T R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 0 5 0 4 ADDRESS, 1 25 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MODIFY THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR CONFIGURATION TO FEATURE NEW WOOD SCREEN SLIDER DOORS FLANKED BY FULL HEIGHT SCREEN DOORS. 
          THE CURRENT FRONT DOOR CONFIGURATION FEATURES AN ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH WITH A ONE OVER ONE OVER SIX SCREEN DOOR FLANKED BY FULL HEIGHT SCREEN WINDOWS WITH A MULIAN AND MINTON PATTERN THAT ECHOES THE PROPORTION OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOWS ON HOUSE. 
          AND TWO, CONSTRUCT A NEW FRONT PORCH. 
          THE PORCH WILL EXTEND THE FULL WIDTH OF THE FACADE AND WILL PROJECT SIX FEET TOWARDS THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          A SET OF WOODEN STAIRS WILL BE LOCATED ON THE FRONT FACADE AND ON THE SIDE FACADE FACING THE DRIVEWAY. 
          ITEM ONE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT ENTRYWAY MODIFICATIONS AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING C STAFF FINDS THAT THIS EXISTING CONFIGURATION SHOULD BE RETAINED REPLACING THE EXISTING DOOR AND SCREENS WITH A NEW DOOR AND SCREENS CLOUD WITH A SIMILAR MULIAN AND MU PATTERN IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDING D. 
          IF THE H D R C FINDS THAT A NEW FRONT PORCH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS APPLY. 
          ONE THAT THE PORCH ELEMENTS COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS RAILING. 
          THE PROPOSED RAILINGS SHOULD FEATURE BOTH THE TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL. 
          THE BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD FEATURE A VERTICAL ORIENTATION AND SHOULD BE INSTALLED APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE PORCH DECKING. 
          BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED FROM TWO BY FOUR MEMBERS. 
          THE PROPOSED RAILING SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF MORE THAN THREE FEET. 
          UM, THAT THE COLUMNS FEATURE, UH, A SIX INCH SQUARE FOOTPRINT FEATURE BOTH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM AND SANFORD CORNERS. 
          AND THAT THE DECKING FEATURE ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE MEMBERS LAID PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE. 
          AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A ACCURATE SET SETBACK DIAGRAM STUDY THAT INCLUDES THE TWO IMMEDIATE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO ILLUSTRATE THE PROPOSED FRONT PORCH SETBACK RELATIVE TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS, THE DEPTH OF THE NEW FRONT PORCH MUST NOT EXCEED THE DEPTH OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. 
          AS A PRO PROPOSED SIX SIX INCH DEPTH CREATES A SETBACK THAT IS CLOSE, CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. 
          THE DEPTH MUST BE REDUCED AND UPDATED DRAWINGS MUST BE SUBMITTED. 
          THIS DIAGRAM IS REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          AND I WILL NOTE THAT THAT THERE IS A AERIAL DIAGRAM INCLUDED IN THIS CASE FILE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. 
          UM, I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL LETTERS INCLUDED IN YOUR FOLDER. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMMISSIONERS FOR, UH, CONSIDERING OUR CASE. 
          AGAIN, WE ARE HERE ASKING FOR SPECIAL CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, WE DID HAVE A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE DIAGRAM AND THE SITE PLAN, THE DIAGRAM ON THE SITE PLAN IS ON PAGE 16 OF THE DOCUMENT, UM, WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN PEN AND SKETCH, THIS IS WHAT OUR SETBACKS WOULD BE AND WHERE THE PROPOSED NEW PORCH WOULD LAND AT SIX FEET, UM, 
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IT DOES GO ACROSS THE ENTIRE FACADE. 
          UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THE HOMEOWNERS WERE WISHING TO MAKE A MORE INVITING SPACE WHILE THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF IT WOULD STILL BE IN THAT CRAFTSMANSHIP STYLE. 
          UH, THE CRAFTSMAN HOME STYLE PAGE 17 IS THE AERIAL DIAGRAM THAT WAS REFERENCED THAT SHOWS THE RED LINE, IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN, IS OUR SETBACK. 
          THE ORANGE LINE IS THE PORCH AND THE YELLOW IS THE EDGE. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT WOULD LINE UP WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT, IT WOULD BE IN LINE AND WOULD BE BEHIND THE CURRENT PORCH STRUCTURE OF THE LA NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT. 
          SO THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE IS THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES WITH THINGS THAT WERE ALLOWED, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL CONSIDERATION. 
          IF YOU GO TO PAGE 23, THAT STARTS THE RESEARCH WE PUT TOGETHER FOR CURRENT PRECEDENCES. 
          UM, THIS FIRST PICTURE IS THE SANBORN MAP THAT STAFF USED AND THAT WE WERE REFERENCING FROM MAY, 1924. 
          IT'S THE 1911 THROUGH 1952 VOLUME TWO EDITION. 
          THE FIRST PRECEDENT WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP IS ACTUALLY AT THE END OF THE ROAD ON LINDELL, UH, 2 29. 
          LINDELL WAS BUILT IN 2019 AND IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH ANY OF THE OTHER HOMES OR GUIDELINES ON THAT BLOCK, WHICH IS WITHIN THE OVERSIGHT OF THE H D R C. 
          IF YOU KEEP MOVING TO THE NEXT PAGE, UM, WOULD BE 24, YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE OF 2 29. 
          LINDELL HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THE PORCH EXTENDING ALL THE WAY ACROSS. 
          UM, WE WOULD STILL BE WILLING TO MAKE THE CONCESSIONS WITH THE RAILING, ALL THE DECKING, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, GRANTED IN 1924, THAT WAS SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY, BUT IT WAS ALLOWED. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION FOR SPECIAL CONSIDERATION THAT IT IS SOMETHING I THINK Y'ALL HAVE BEEN, UM, AMICABLE WITH IN THE PAST. 
          AND WE'D LIKE TO GET NEAR CODE GRACES TO SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN. 
          UH, THE NEXT PAGE, 25 IN THE SAME DISTRICT 1 0 2 ALLISON DRIVE HAS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT TOP PICTURE, THAT IS A MODERN SLOPED ROOF GOING TOWARDS THE BACK. 
          IT'S VIEWABLE FROM THE STREET. 
          I WAS TAKING IT FROM THE VEHICLE IN FRONT OF THE MA THE MAILBOX. 
          THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE ARE ASKING, UM, FOR SPECIAL CONSIDERATION CONSIDERING IT HAS NOT BEEN UNIFORMED THROUGHOUT. 
          UM, AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE IS THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AT 1 21 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. 
          SO THEY HAVE A CENTERED RECESS PORCH. 
          NOW, THEIRS DOES NOT GO, UH, PROTRUDING PORCH. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          THEIRS DOES NOT GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FACADE, BUT IT IS PROTRUDING QUITE A BIT FURTHER THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. 
          UM, IT'S ENCLOSED AND VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE. 
          UH, AND THEN THE VERY LAST PAGE IS GONNA SHOW THE SANDBORNE MAP, WHERE AGAIN, ONE TWENTY ONE MAGNOLIA HAD A RECESS PORCH AND THEN NOW HAS A PROTRUDING PORCH. 
          AND IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO DO THIS, WE WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THAT NEIGHBOR. 
          AND THAT IS OUR CASE. 
          I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE SOME A IN FINDINGS, D EXCUSE ME, OR I'M SORRY, FINDINGS C IN THE TOP OF THE DOCUMENT GONNA BE PAGE THREE. 
          WE ARE ASKING AGAIN FOR MORE, MORE SPECIAL CONSIDERATION. 
          WE DO UNDERSTAND THE GUIDELINES SAY NOT TO ADD A PORCH WHERE IT'S NOT HISTORICALLY PRESENT. 
          UM, IT DOES, IT IS HISTORICALLY PRESENT IN OTHER BUILDINGS, JUST NOT THE SPECIFIC ONE, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE ASKING FOR SPECIAL CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE DETAILS DO NOT CONVEY A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORIC PRESENCE, BUT ACTUALLY BRING IT CLOSER BECAUSE THE CURRENT ENCLOSED PORCH MAKES IT LOOK LIKE A BOX HOUSE. 
          YOU CAN HARDLY TELL IT'S A PORCH. 
          THIS WOULD BRING IT CLOSER TO THAT STYLE. 
          LOOK. 
          UM, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY 
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WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YEAH. 
          FIRST, I'LL NOTE YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW LETTERS, UM, IN YOUR, UH, FOLDER FOR TODAY. 
          UM, SO BE SURE TO LOOK AT THOSE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. 
          UM, THE FIRST IS BARBARA WOOD HOWELL. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          A OH GOD, I HATE THESE THINGS. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, MY NAME IS BARBARA WOOD HOWELL, AND I'M HERE REGARDING THIS CASE 5 0 4. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 5 MAGNOLIA DRIVE, UH, DRIVER  DRIVE, RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I CURRENTLY SIT ON OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE. 
          THE COMMITTEE DESIGNATED TO REVIEW H D R C AGENDA CASES. 
          I ALSO SIT ON RIVER ROADS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINE COMMITTEE, AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE O H P STAFF FOR THEIR SUPPORT DURING THE ONGOING PROCESS TO DEVELOP RIVER ROADS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. 
          WE REALLY THANK YOU REGARDING THIS CASE. 
          AT 1 25 MAGNOLIA DRIVE, I SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, FRONT PORCH ENTRYWAY MODIFICATIONS AND ITEM TWO CONSTRUCTION OF NEW FRONT PORCH, ALONG WITH THE TWO STIPULATIONS PROPOSED BY STAFF IF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS PROPOSED ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY THE MAJORITY OF COMMISSIONERS MAGNOLIA DRIVE. 
          I'VE LIVED ON MAGNOLIA DRIVE WHILE I'VE OWNED PROPERTY FOR 40 YEARS, LIVED ON IT ACTUALLY IN 1 21. 
          MAGNOLIA DRIVE ACTUALLY SPEARHEADED US BECOMING HISTORIC BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THEN. 
          A LOT OF THE EXAMPLES THAT THE APPLICANT IS GIVING ARE ON STREETS DIFFERENT FROM MAGNOLIA DRIVE, WHICH IS THE MOST NARROW STREET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE MOST NARROW SETBACKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S VERY NARROW. 
          SO I WANNA THANK YOU, UH, TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF FOR THE WORK YOU DO TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND IMPORTANT HISTORIC RESOURCES. 
          JONATHAN ARCADE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME'S JOHN ADE. 
          I LIVE AT, UH, FIVE 11 EAST CRAIG IN RIVER ROAD, AND I'M ALSO ON THE COMMITTEE, THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR RIVER ROAD. 
          AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE, THE CLIENT ADMITTED, UH, TODAY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE THE, THE PORCH LOOK LIKE IT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IN THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE, AND THAT'S CLEARLY IN VIOLATION OF THE, OUR, UH, OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR. 
          AND, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD, WOULD OPPOSE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NOW, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? YEAH, AND I READ THROUGH ALL THE LETTERS AS A, SOMETIMES THIS IS, UH, THE DIFFICULT CASES THAT COME TO US, . 
          UM, I REMEMBER THE CASE ACROSS THE STREET, UM, AND IF YOU DO GO TO GOOGLE, UH, YOU'LL FIND IT. 
          THERE'S A FRONT PORCH ADDED TO THE HOME. 
          UM, I'M KIND OF, I'M, I'M TORN ON THE FRONT PORCH BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PORT, THE ENCLOSED PORCH IS THE ORIGINAL ENTRY. 
          AND AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT COULDN'T FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT WORK. 
          BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, I, I DO SEE THAT THE APPLICANT'S REALLY TRYING TO IMPROVE THIS HOME, BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE, WHICH, WHICH IS WHAT I, I SUPPORT. 
          UM, AND, AND THE BACK DECK IS LESS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          I THINK THAT I WOULD SUPPORT IT WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT THE, UH, THAT ARE IN THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WAS AT THE D R C. 
          I WAS AT THE D R C, AND SO I HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE HOUSE, THE SITE. 
          UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS WHAT I'LL CALL PORCH CREEP. 
          AND IT APPEARS THAT, UH, 1 21 HAD A PORCH AT ONE TIME, AN OPEN PORCH, AND THEN, YES, AND THEN WHEN IT WAS ENCLOSED, IT WAS EXTENDED BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. 
          SO IT IS ALREADY CREEPING FORWARD. 
          AND MY CONCERN WAS WITH, WHEN WE MEASURED OUT THE SIX FEET, IT SAT, EXCUSE ME, IT SAT A FEW INCHES FORWARD OF THAT PORCH. 
          AND WHEN YOU BEGAN TO GET THIS MARCHING OF PORCHES IN FRONT OF EACH OTHER, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE STAIRCASE REQUIRED. 
          SO I CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW THE GUIDELINES DISCOURAGE, UH, HOMEOWNERS AND OUR APPLICANTS FROM BUILDING ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE THERE BECOMES 
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THIS, UM, SEQUENTIAL, UH, DECREASE OF SETBACK OVER TIME. 
          UM, SO, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE HAS A PORCH, AND THAT'S WHAT'S CHARACTERISTIC OF THAT PARTICULAR STYLE. 
          IT IS ENCLOSED, IT'S WITHIN THE ORIGINAL ROOF. 
          UM, ANOTHER OPTION TO, UH, RECLAIM THAT PORCH WOULD BE TO OPEN THE SCREENED IN PORCH AREA, MAKE IT MORE OPEN, MAKE IT MORE WELCOMING, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE FROM THE LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, THAT THEY REALLY DO VALUE THAT PORCH VISIT AND EXPERIENCE. 
          SO THE EFFORT TO OPEN UP THE ORIGINAL PORCH, UH, WOULD BE A WAY TO MAINTAIN THE, UH, THE CHARACTER OF THIS PARTICULAR CRAFTSMAN HOME. 
          MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, SIR. 
          UM, I WANNA THANK, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          I ACTUALLY HEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, REGARDING PORCH CREEP. 
          I, I OWN A, A OLDER HOME TOO, THAT THE FRONT PORCH WAS BUILT OUT. 
          AND IF I WAS GONNA STAY TRUE TO, I GUESS OUR INTENT HERE, I WOULD THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT A PORCH AGAIN. 
          I WANNA MAKE IT A PORCH AGAIN MYSELF. 
          SO I, I SHARE THOSE CONCERNS THAT I FEEL LIKE IT'S, UH, THAT THERE'S NO BETTER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT THAN SHE JUST DID, IS IS, IS A PORCH CREEP NOW. 
          IT'S CREATING A NEW STRUCTURE. 
          AND AGAIN, IS, I THINK JUST NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE DO HERE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. 
          YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ECHO THOSE, UH, COMMENTS AS WELL. 
          I, I THINK, UM, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE, HAVE ARTICULATED THEM VERY WELL. 
          I, THE, THE DIAGRAM THAT'S THE MOST DECISIVE FOR ME IS THE ONE THAT THE STAFF WAS ASKING FOR SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR STIPULATIONS. 
          AND, AND WHILE IT WASN'T QUITE TO THE SCALE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT, TO BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE, UH, THE NUANCES, WHAT BECAME VERY OBVIOUS TO ME, EVEN IN THAT SMALLER AERIAL, WAS THAT THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE PROJECTING FORWARD ON THE ADJACENT HOUSES ARE DISCREET AND, AND NOT RUNNING THE ENTIRE ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE IN THIS PROPOSAL, PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE ELEVATION IS ADVANCING, IS CREEPING FORWARD. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS, UM, TO THE DETRIMENT OF THIS, OF THE QUALITY OF THE STREET. 
          AND, UH, WHILE I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS ATTEMPTED TO, TO, UH, DETAIL AND, AND ARTICULATE THE, THE PORCH IN A SYMPATHETIC WAY, I THINK THAT THAT, UH, SUBTRACTION OF THAT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE FRONT YARD IS JUST TOO SUBSTANTIAL FOR ME TO SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN STAFF JUST PULL UP THE GOOGLE EARTH AGAIN? IT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS NOT THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT. 
          IT WAS THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER, AND I'M TORN. 
          I CAN UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THIS ARGUMENT. 
          AND, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT IS WORKING TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT, THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOUSE. 
          BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M GONNA VOTE DEPENDING ON THE MOTION. 
          THIS IS, UH, JOSIAH AND HANNAH, THE HOMEOWNERS. 
          IS THERE A CHANCE WE COULD SAY SOMETHING? OH, YES, PLEASE. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO THE PORCH CREEP, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT GOOGLE EARTH OVERVIEW, BUT, UH, EVERY OTHER HOUSE ON THAT BLOCK HAS A PORCH, AND OURS WOULD BE SET, LIKE, IT WOULD NOT PROTRUDE FROM ANY OF THE OTHER PORCHES REALLY ALONG THAT ROAD. 
          SO THE, IN MY OPINION, THE CONCERN FOR PORCH CREEP, LIKE WE'D BE THE LAST HOUSE TO DO IT. 
          SO IT'S LIKE TRYING TO STOP A PHENOMENON WITH THE VERY LAST HOUSE HAVING A PORCH. 
          UM, AND THEN WITH THE, UH, I SENT, I SENT ANOTHER OVERVIEW WHERE FOR THE OVERHEAD VIEW, THE, THE PORCH AT SIX FEET GOES RIGHT TO WHERE ON SOME OF THE PICTURES YOU CAN SEE THE, I THINK IT'S PAGE 18, THERE YOU COULD SEE THE, THE STAKES THAT WE PUT IN THE YARD. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE PORCH WOULD BE. 
          AND IT'S DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THAT HOUSE. 
          AND THE NEXT HOUSE DOWN IS ACTUALLY FURTHER CLOSER TO THE ROAD. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN, THAT THERE, THAT'S A BETTER ONE. 
          THAT LINE OF JUST THE CHALK LINE, THAT'S THE 10 FOOT EASEMENT. 
          SO WE'RE WELL BEHIND THE 10 FOOT EASEMENT, AND WE'RE RIGHT AT WHERE THE, THE NATURAL, LIKE WHERE YOUR EYE WOULD TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE, LIKE THE, THE FLOWER BED AND WHERE THE STEPS ARE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT 
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GONNA PROTRUDE, UM, MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD ALREADY SEE. 
          LIKE IT'S, WE'RE NOT PLANTING, WE'RE GOING A NICE YARD, SO WE CAN ENJOY THAT. 
          WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON PUTTING THINGS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PORCH. 
          AND IF THE CONCERN IS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOU GUYS TO GET, LIKE IF FOR SOME REASON IN 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS WE WANTED TO ENCLOSE IT, THAT'D BE ANOTHER WHOLE NOTHER MEETING. 
          SO I THINK SAYING NO RIGHT NOW, JUST TO PREVENT FUTURE THINGS, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND YOU COULD SAY NO THEN OTHERWISE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE SPIRIT AND, AND ESPRIT CORPS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMING TO THE PORCH. 
          UM, HAVING IT WIDE OPEN, AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ENCLOSED PORCH THERE, IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE WORK FOR US TO OPEN IT UP AND MAKE IT AS INVITING AS WE HOPE WITH THIS NEW PORCH. 
          AND, UH, I LIKE MAYBE THE IDEAS OF THE COMMISSIONERS IS THAT IT WOULD BE SMALL GATHERINGS. 
          LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT'S A VERY SOCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE, THE HOPES WOULD BE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN AND HAVE THEM WITH THEIR FRIENDS ON THE PORCH OF US AND MULTIPLE OF OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A, IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD TO HAVE MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE ON THE CURRENT ENCLOSED PORCH THAT WE HAVE WITH ANY SPACE TO KIND OF MOVE AROUND. 
          YOU GET, YOU CAN FIT THREE CHAIRS AND THEN THAT'S KIND OF THE, OTHERWISE YOU'RE STARTING TO ALMOST FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO STAND UP, MOVE OUT OF THE WAY FOR SOMEBODY TO COME THROUGH. 
          SO AS FAR AS THE REALITY OF BEING ABLE TO USE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN VISIT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IS VERY DIFFICULT. 
          AND EVEN TO KIND OF HAVE THAT ONE SWING DOOR OPEN AND EVEN PUT CHAIRS OUT IN THE LAWN, KIND OF JUST, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THE SPACE THAT'S THERE. 
          SO THAT'S OUR, YEAH, KIND OF WE'RE, WE'RE IN COMMENT. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE IN THIS FOR THE LONG HAUL. 
          THIS IS OUR FOREVER HOME. 
          SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, ADD TO THE COMMUNITY, BE AN ACTIVE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, AND, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD SUCK TO BE THE LAST HOUSE ON THE NAME, THE, ON THAT STREET WITHOUT A PORCH AND NOT BE ABLE TO BE PART OF THAT, THAT PORCH COMMUNITY. 
          WELL, AN OPEN PORCH. 
          YEAH. 
          OPEN PORCH. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, ON DRAWING EIGHT, THE FRONT DECK, ARE THOSE DRAWN AS PLANTER BOXES ON THE PORCH? UH, YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT WAS JUST MORE FOR AESTHETICS. 
          IT'S, THAT'S NOT A PERMANENT PART OF THE PORCH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, JUST LIKE THERE'S FURNITURE DRAWN ON THAT PICTURE TOO. 
          IT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          UM, SO I BELIEVE YOU AGREED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ABOUT THE RAILING DESIGN. 
          YES. 
          UM, YES, DEFINITELY. 
          SO IF THE PLANTER BOXES AREN'T THERE AND THE RAILING IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY NARROWER, THINNER THAN THE PLANTER BOXES, UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER PULLING THE PORCH BACK INSTEAD OF SIX FEET BACK TO FIVE FEET, WHICH THEN YOU WOULD BE BEHIND THE, UH, ADJACENT SCREEN PORCH, SO YOU WOULD NOT BE, UH, CONTINUING THAT SAME LINE THAT YOU'D ACTUALLY BE BEHIND THAT PORCH? WHICH PART OF THE PORCH ARE YOU REFERENCING? THE ACTUAL BUILDING OR THE, THE OVERHANG? UH, WELL, THE SIX FEET IS THE, THE PORCH DECK, OR IS THAT THE OVERHANG? THAT'S THE PORCH DECK, I BELIEVE. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU, THE SIX FEET IS THE PORCH DECK. 
          UM, SO HANNAH AND JOSIAH, THANK YOU FOR, FOR COMING IN AND, AND PUTTING YOUR SENSE IN. 
          I THINK THE FIVE FEET IS DEFINITELY DOABLE FOR MOVING AROUND AND STILL ACCOMPLISHING WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH MAKES THIS HOME SPECIAL TO YOU. 
          UM, FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT AND OUR EXPERTISE, I THINK IT IS VERY MUCH WORTH YOUR CONSIDERATION IF THE COMMISSION IS, UH, IS ALLOWING THAT. 
          YEAH, WE'RE OPEN TO THE, THE REASON WE SAID SIX IS I'M SIX FEET TALL ON THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO LAY ON THE PORCH. 
          IT'S LIKE THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL SUMMER. 
          YEAH, WE'RE OPEN, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT. 
          YOU CAN LAY SIDEWAYS. 
           . 
          JUST LAY THE OTHER WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, WE ARE, WE ARE OPEN TO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WELL, MR. CHAIR, OH, UM, I, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE, UM, UM, CONFUSED ABOUT HOW THE ADDITIONAL PORCH, WHICH IS SMALLER AND SQUARE FOOTAGE, IS ACTUALLY GOING TO SERVE A LARGER PROGRAM. 
          UM, OR PEOPLE, OR, I'M WORRIED THAT THAT PORCH, IF WE GO DOWN TO FIVE OR FOUR FEET 
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TO GET IT BACK BEHIND THE NEIGHBORING, UM, HOUSE, WE'RE CREATING A PORCH THAT'S ALMOST UNUSABLE AND COUNTERS WHAT THE, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR. 
          I THINK THE PORCH THAT EXISTS IS PRETTY GOOD SIZE. 
          YEAH. 
          IN TERMS OF PROGRAMMING, WE'RE GETTING A SMALLER PORCH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'D PREFER, WE'D DEFINITELY PREFER THE SIX FEET. 
          IT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE USAGE. 
          IT WOULD STILL BE IN LINE WITH THE OTHER PORCH RIGHT NEXT DOOR. 
          UM, BUT IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO GIVE UP TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTRA SPACE TO HAVE A FEW MORE PEOPLE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          BUT THE SIX FEET WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, LIKE YOU SAID. 
          AND IT DOES ALLOW FOR MORE SPACE AND FOOTAGE FOR PEOPLE, WHICH IS WHY WE ALSO PROPOSE THE SIX FOOT. 
          SO YEAH, THE ONLY, I, I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO EXPLAIN IT WOULD BE IF YOU COULD HAVE THE CONTEXT OF ACTUALLY BEING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SITTING ON THE FRONT PORCH. 
          PEOPLE BRING THEIR, THEIR CHAIRS OVER, THEY SIT ON THE PORCH AND FACE, SIT ON THE PORCH AND FACE EACH OTHER, BOTH SITTING ON THE YARD AND ON THE PORCH. 
          AND DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE GATHERING, LIKE THE WHOLE POINT OF THE OPEN FRONT PORCH IS, IT MAKES VERY EASY SPILLOVER AND EASY, UM, INCLUSION OF EVERYBODY. 
          IF IT'S THAT SMALL ENCLOSED PORCH WE HAVE NOW IT'S JUST US AND ONE OTHER PERSON, BASICALLY. 
          MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, UH, YES, SIR. 
          UM, A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT, UH, IS THAT CURRENT CLOSE, ENCLOSED PORCH, IS THAT, IS THAT ACTUALLY, UH, A AC DRIVEN, I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT A SCREEN OR IS, ARE THOSE WINDOWS? I I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING THAT THOSE ARE SCREENS. 
          UM, THAT IS NOT AIR CONDITIONED SPACE. 
          THE PREVIOUS OWNERS SPENT A LOT OF TIME TO MAKE IT LOOK AS IF IT WAS ANOTHER ROOM IN THE HOUSE WITHOUT ACTUALLY MAKING IT A CONDITIONED, LIVABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          AND WELL, AND MR. CHAIR, I, I THINK WE ALL KNOW MY VOTING RECORD USUALLY ARE TOWARDS THE, THE PRIVATE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER. 
          BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, IT'S LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT, IT'S ALTOGETHER CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE, THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. 
          WHO'S TO SAY, I, I DON'T LIKE GOING INTO THE WHAT IFS AND THE HYPOTHETICALS, BUT, UM, IT WAS EVEN SUGGESTED, WHO'S TO SAY IF THAT WAS EVEN NOT GONNA BE CLOSED OFF ONE DAY ITSELF TOO? SO I, I'M SKEPTICAL CONCERNED, AND, AND THIS IS A RARE CASE FOR ME TO SPEAK THIS WAY, BUT, UM, UH, JUST THESE ARE MY POINTS OF CONCERN. 
          CHAIR THIS COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GOODS? YES, SIR. 
          WHICH ONE? UM, FISHER ME, SIR. 
          OKAY, I'LL, I'LL GO. 
          UM, SO, UM, I, I AGREE. 
          THIS IS A, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE HERE. 
          I, I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THE, UM, THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE PENALIZED FOR SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. 
          LIKE WHEN WE, WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE PORCH CREEP, AND I, I ALSO, UH, READ ALL THE LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OVERWHELMING SUPPORT, UM, FOR THIS TYPE OF, UM, I MEAN, REPORT THIS, THIS PROJECT. 
          I THINK THAT THE REDUCING THE SIZE IS, IS NOT, IT WOULDN'T BE FEASIBLE OR I, I WOULDN'T, I SHOULDN'T SAY FEASIBLE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE ADVISABLE BECAUSE I, I THINK, LET'S SAY THIS SHORTEN IT IS NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM, UH, WHAT THEY WANT AND IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, PUNISHING THEM FOR BASICALLY WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I, UM, I WOULD BE, IT IS, IT IS A TOUGH ONE, BUT I, I THINK I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT GIVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHAT THEY WANT. 
          I MEAN, IF THE HOMEOWNER, WHAT THEY WANT, PLUS IT GIVES THAT INVITING, UM, ELEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN I, COMING FROM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT, I, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD FIT. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS MISSION. 
          I HAD A HARD TIME HEARING, BUT WAS IT IN SUPPORT? I THINK YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIVES YOU ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT? I AM, YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GROOVE? YEAH, MR. CHAIR. 
          I MEAN, I, I GUESS WE'RE TORN THE SAME WAY AS THE NEIGHBORS ARE TORN BECAUSE A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS ALSO VERY ME ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I, I, I AGREE MAYBE SOME ALONG THE LINES THAT WE MAKE AT FIVE FEET OR FOUR FEET, BUT I STILL BELIEVE THAT THAT'S NOT, UM, I GUESS THE CON THE ARCHITECT DID SAY THAT FIVE WAS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, I MEAN THAT I JUST WILL STAND THE SAME. 
          CHAIRMAN. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH? YES, SIR. 
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OH, GOOD. 
          CAN HEAR ME? UM, I'VE JUST GOT A FEW THOUGHTS HERE. 
          I REALLY, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE REQUEST THE APPLICANT, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING REASONABLE GIVEN, GIVEN THE DEMANDS THAT ARE PUT ON THEM. 
          UH, HOWEVER, I WANT TO DRAW A DISTINCTION BETWEEN, BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND AT LEAST THE PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET AND TALK ABOUT HOW THESE CASES ARE, ARE CONSIDERED ONE, UH, ONE ON ONE AND THEY DO NOT SET OF PRECEDENT. 
          UH, CONSIDER THEM AS SETTING A PRECEDENT. 
          UH, RATHER THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, FRONT PORCH MODIFICATION REQUESTS THAT WE GET HAVE, UH, LITTLE TO NO COVERING AT THE FRONT DOOR AND PERHAPS SOME SIGNIFICANT ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES. 
          UH, AND THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES OR, OR SORT TRANSFORMATION THAT'S TRANSFORMED THE FRONTAL STRUCTURE IN SO WAY. 
          THOSE SORTS OF ISSUES, I THINK, UM, CREATE A GRAY AREA WHERE THE GUIDELINES CAN BE APPLIED WAYS TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE NEEDS WITH SAFETY, GIVEN THAT THERE'S A FRONT PORCH HERE THAT'S SCREENED IN THAT HASN'T BEEN ALTERED, IT'S IN ITS HISTORIC STATE, OTHER THAN KIND OF THE APPEARANCE OF THE, THE SCREEN VOLUMES, I CAN'T SUPPORT, UH, AN ADDITION OF A SCREEN PORCH ACROSS THE FRONT FOR MANY OF THE REASONS WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND I SUPPORT STAFF'S FINDINGS. 
          HOWEVER, I DO EXPECT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A SPLIT OPINIONS HERE, AND I BELIEVE THE VOTE SHOULD PROBABLY BE TAKEN IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          SO I WOULD FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED, JUST STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT I DO NOT TEND AND SUPPORT THAT VOTE. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? CAN YOU CLARIFY THE MOTION? WELL, AND ALSO AT THIS ITEM ONE AND TWO, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED THE DOORS. 
          YEAH, LET'S PUT THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCREEN. 
          SO COMMISSIONER FISH, ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS I'LL, I WAS ACTUALLY HOPING I'LL, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL ITEMS ONE AND TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I DO NOT SUPPORT THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I STILL A SECOND. 
          SO MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION AND HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          PE I, I'M STILL A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE THE APPLICANT COULD BASICALLY DO ITEM ONE AND NOT TWO, AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S ITEM ONE SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED IF ITEM TWO DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD. 
          I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND THOUGH. 
          YEAH, THE, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF BOTH WITH STAFF STIPULATION. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH DID, UM, OPPOSE THE VOTE. 
          SO MOVING ON TO SUBPOENA NAYYY OLA, THIS IS RARE FOR ME. 
          NAY . 
          UM, SUAN IS ABSENT. 
          CARPENTER. 
          NAY GRO NAY BUTZER. 
          HI. 
          AYE UH, LA IS ABSENT AND SO IS BOWMAN, BUT MOTION FAILS. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? UM, I, I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN A D R C TO MAYBE SEE WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          IF, IF, AGAIN, IF IT IS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR THEM, UM, TO TALK ABOUT JUST SOME KIND OF INCLUSION OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE FRONT PORCH AND MAYBE EXTENDING FROM FROM THERE. 
          OR, UH, MAYBE THERE'S JUST ANOTHER CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE WITH THE BUILDING AND THE ONE WE'RE HAVING CURRENTLY. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT IS THAT, IF THAT'S A MOTION, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION SECOND. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? 
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AYE. 
          FISH THAT IS AAY, BUT CAN YOU TRY AUDIO JUST REALLY QUICK? SAY A I OH, THAT'S A I CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, SABINO AYE. 
          QUE AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          LA IS ABSENT. 
          PROMOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNERS AND, AND SET UP A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          ITEM 21, 
          [21.Address/Description: 297 LOVERA BLVD HDRC Case No.: 2021531 Historic District Name: Olmos Park Terrace Applicant: Agustin Bravo/Bravo Sign Company Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 1]
H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 31. 
          ADDRESS, 9 27 LAVERA BOULEVARD. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A NEW FREESTANDING SIGN IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE PROPERTY ADDRESS, NOT 2 97 LAVERA. 
          THE PROPOSED SIGN FEATURES A DOUBLE-SIDED PANEL WITH WOODEN POSTS. 
          THE SIGN AREA MEASURES 32 SQUARE FEET ON BOTH SIDES FOR A TOTAL SIGN AREA OF 64 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE SIGN IS EIGHT FEET AND WILL BE EXTERNALLY LIT. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SIGN AS PROPOSED. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A PROPOSAL THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE, THAT THE SIGNAGE BE GREATLY REDUCED IN OVERALL HEIGHT AND SQUARE FOOTAGE IN ORDER TO NOT OBSTRUCT VIEWS OF THE HOUSE. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDINGS B THROUGH E TWO THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES REVISING THE HORIZONTAL BOARD SIGN TO A VERTICALLY ORIENTED MONUMENT SIGN TO REDUCE OBSTRUCTION OF BOTH THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND VISIBILITY OF PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IS NOTED IN FINDINGS B THROUGH E THREE THAT THE SIGNAGE FEATURE A MAXIMUM OF THREE COLORS IS NOTED IN FINDING D. 
          THE BACKGROUND SHOULD BE DARK WITH LIGHT LETTERS AND FOUR, THAT THE SIGN BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 15 FEET FROM ANY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, INCLUDING SAN PEDRO AS NOTED IN FINDING E AND UPDATED SITE PLAN IS REQUIRED. 
          UM, AND JUST FOR KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMMISSION, WE DID RECEIVE AN UPDATED PROPOSAL FROM THE APPLICANT YESTERDAY THAT MEETS ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS AND IS ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          WE ARE KEEPING THIS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE DID RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS IN YOUR FOLDERS. 
          . 
          SO STEPH, WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT, RIGHT? WE SHOULD AUGUSTINE BRAVO. 
          UM, THAT NAME IS NOT ON MY ATTENDEE LIST. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO IF CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF, IF Y'ALL HAVE A NEW SUBMITTAL THAT MEETS YOUR STIPULATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, THEN BASICALLY WE WOULD MOVE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OR WE CAN ALSO JUST CONTINUE IT AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE TO WITHDRAW. 
          I I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY. 
          YOU WERE CORRECT. 
          A, A DENIAL OF WHAT WAS POSTED WOULD SUFFICE BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD APPROVE THE REVISED SUBMITTAL. 
          THE REASON WE CONTINUED TO INCLUDE THIS ON THE AGENDA, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD RECEIVED, UM, THE REVISIONS KIND OF LATE IN THE POSTING PROCESS, IS THAT WE DID EXPECT TO RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          AND SO YOU DO HAVE A LETTER IN OPPOSITION IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THAT IS ALL WE RECEIVED FOR THIS CASE. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          SO COREY, WE'RE WE'RE, WHAT'S IN THE RIGHT NOW WE'D BE VOTING ON IS DATED BASICALLY AND DOESN'T MATTER. 
          CORRECT, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MEAN, OF COURSE THAT MATTERS. 
          . 
          YEAH, I THINK IT, I THINK IT MATTERS. 
          SO JUST FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, THEN I WOULD MOVE FOR DENIAL OF THIS AS SUBMITTED. 
          UH, A SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? THAT IS AN I. 
          SABINA. 
          AYE. 
          QUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          OLA AYE. 
          SO MAREZ ABSENT CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND LI IS ABSENT IN MOTION. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          LIVING 
          [22.Address/Description: 514 MADISON ST HDRC Case No.: 2021530 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Daniel Cruz/Design Coop Request: Rear privacy fence replacement City Council Dist.: 1]
ITEM ITEM 
          [01:40:01]
NUMBER 22 H T R C CASE NUMBER 20 21 5 3 0 ADDRESS, FIVE 14 MADISON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE AN EXISTING SIX FOOT TALL, PREDOMINANTLY OPEN STEEL FENCE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WITH A NEW SIX FOOT TALL, PREDOMINANTLY CLOSED STEEL FENCE WITH WOODEN SLATS. 
          THE FENCE FRONT SOUTH ALAMO, WHICH IS LARGELY A PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL BLOCK WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR FENCE REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT IF THE APPLICANT PURSUES A SIX FOOT TALL HEIGHT, THAT THE FENCE BE REPLACED IN KIND WITH A PREDOMINANTLY OPEN MATERIAL AND DESIGN IN THE SAME LOCATION. 
          OR ALTERNATIVELY THAT THE FENCE FEATURE A PREDOMINANTLY CLOSED DESIGN, BUT BE SET BACK FROM THE SOUTH ALAMO RIGHT OF WAY BY A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET. 
          TWO, IF THE APPLICANT PURSUES A PREDOMINANTLY CLOSED FENCE DESIGN IN THE EXISTING FENCE LOCATION, THE FENCE HEIGHT SHOULD BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF FOUR FEET. 
          THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWING SET TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT MEETS EITHER STIPULATION ABOVE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND FOR THE FINAL HEIGHT OF THE FENCE NOT EXCEED, UM, A MAXIMUM OF HEIGHT IS APPROVED BY THE H D R C. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET. 
          MR. CRUZ, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. 
          GREAT. 
          WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          HI, YEAH, THIS IS, UH, DANIEL CRUZ. 
          I'M WITH DESIGN CO. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, AS STATED BY THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION IN THE LETTER THAT YOU GUYS RECEIVED, UM, SOUTH ALAMO STREET IS PRIMARILY A VEHICULAR AND PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR. 
          WE DO, UH, AGREE WITH, UH, THE FINDINGS THAT WERE MADE. 
          UM, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS PROJECT AND OUR CLIENT. 
          UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH HISTORIC, WE'VE SUBMITTED QUITE A BIT OF HISTORIC, UH, APPLICATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE TWO FRONT PORCHES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AND REDONE. 
          THERE HAS BEEN EXTENSIVE WORK ON THE INTERIOR OF THE PROJECT, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING A, UH, SCREEN PORCH ON THE BACK THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY YOU GUYS. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS THAT, UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY ALSO BEEN APPROVED FOR ALTERING THE TWO STORY GARAGE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY FROM TWO CAR GARAGE TO A FOUR CAR GARAGE. 
          UM, THIS, I FEEL LIKE THIS KIND OF HELPS WITH THE FACT, UM, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET A LITTLE GAIN, A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVACY ON THIS, THIS PROJECT, THE CLIENT IS REQUESTING PRIVACY. 
          UM, HE UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT THAT IS THE REAR OF HIS PROPERTY AND TECHNICALLY HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. 
          UH, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ARE KIND OF THE OPPOSITE. 
          THEY ARE FRONT FRONT THAT THEY ARE THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, A VALID REASON FOR WHY HE SHOULD BE THE EXCEPTION AND NOT BE ALLOWED TO, UM, HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE, A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. 
          UM, SO WE ARE FIGHTING, WE'RE FIGHTING AND HOPING THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO KEEP, KEEP OUR DESIGN AS IS AND, AND, AND GAIN YOU GUYS' APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ONE QUESTION. 
          I SEE THAT A, A GOOD PORTION OF THE FENCING IS ADJACENT TO A PLANTING AREA. 
          WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO JUST ADJUST YOUR LANDSCAPE MATERIAL SO THAT YOU GET THE PRIVACY THAT WAY RATHER THAN REPLACING THE FENCE? TRUE. 
          IT WOULD STILL MEAN AN OPEN, UH, GATE OR, OR VISIBLY OPEN GATE, BUT, UH, THE REST OF THE FENCING, IF THERE WAS THE, AT THE APPROPRIATE PLANTING, YOU COULD ACHIEVE PRIVACY THAT WAY. 
          IS THAT AN OPTION? WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. 
          HOWEVER, THE, THE, THE BIG THING TOO IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S QUITE A BIG GATE, UM, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO INCLUDE WITHIN OUR FENCE. 
          SO IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE OUR GATE ENCLOSED AND, YOU KNOW, DO SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPING IVY OR SOMETHING THAT GROWS ON THE FENCE, UM, EVERYWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE CONSIDERATE TO THAT. 
          WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT. 
          UM, I, I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST THAT, UM, HISTORIC HAS DENIED US, UM, SOMETIMES IN, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, PLACING VEGETATION ON OUR FENCES. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WHY, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T PRESENT THAT. 
          ALSO, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE ENTIRE FENCE, UM, WITH ONE SIMPLE DESIGN RATHER THAN HAVE TWO DIFFERENT VARIATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, I HAVE A 
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QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. 
          WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE CURRENT FENCE? IT IS SIX FEET OR JUST ABOUT, JUST RIGHT UNDER SIX. 
          UH, PROBABLY FIVE, FIVE FOOT SIX OR SO. 
          AND SO THE NEIGHBORING, THE, THE TWO, THE TWO, UH, FENCES ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ARE SIX FEET. 
          SO THE ONE FACING SOUTH ALAMO IS ALSO SIX FEET. 
          AND THE GATE WOULD HAVE TO BE, IT'S A BIGGER OPENING. 
          THE GATE OPENING WILL STAY THE SAME. 
          UM, THE, THE CURRENT GATE OPENING IS A PIVOT. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING A SLIDING GATE TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE WITHIN THE OWNER'S PROPERTY. 
          YEAH, I, I KIND OF AGREE, UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, REPLACING KIND, BUT WHAT ABOUT JUST REPLACING THAT GATE AND KEEPING THE REST OF THE FENCE AS IS? AND I, I WOULDN'T SUGGEST ANY PLANTINGS THAT GROW ON THE FENCE BECAUSE OUR EXPERIENCES THAT IT REALLY, REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW YOU MAINTAIN IT. 
          BUT I THINK PLANTINGS, UH, MAKE THAT WORK SINCE THE CON. 
          THERE ARE ALREADY SOME, THEY'RE JUST LOW GROWING. 
          I THINK YOU CAN ACHIEVE THE PRIVACY WITH MAYBE PLANTING SOMETHING TALLER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU GUYS ARE SAYING TO, YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH PUTTING A SIX FOOT FENCE, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF FENCE AND REMOVING THE PRIVACY PART OF IT, WHAT I'M, I WAS SAYING, IT'S JUST ONE OUT OF SEVERAL IS I WOULD SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS BASICALLY A REPLACEMENT IN KIND WELL STAFF DID, OH, SORRY, I DON'T KNOW. 
          STAFF SET BACK OF FIVE FEET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , NO, SORRY, THE, THIS IS A UNIQUE RECOMMENDATION IN THAT WE'RE PRESENTING THESE VARIOUS OPTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. 
          YEAH, . 
          UM, SO STIPULATION ONE INCLUDES THAT STAFF WOULD SUPPORT IN KIND REPLACEMENT AS IS. 
          SO IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO REPLACE THE CURRENT WR IRON FENCE WITH SOMETHING THAT IS EXTREMELY CLOSE TO THE SAME DESIGN, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE SAYING IF THEY WANNA MAINTAIN THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT AND THEY WANT IT TO BE PREDOMINANTLY CLOSED, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO OFFSET IT SOMEWHAT FROM THE STREET SO IT'S NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. 
          SO THERE ARE OPTIONS LAID OUT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, MRS. COMMISSIONER FI? YES, SIR. 
          I GENERALLY AGREE WITH STAFF AND I AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MY, MY ONE CONCERN ABOUT STIPULATIONS IS THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS HERE. 
          A SIX FOOT O PRIVACY FENCE THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY OPAQUE. 
          I, I, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE ACTUALLY REVIEWING THAT SO SPECIFICALLY AND WOULDN'T WANT TO, TO STIPULATE IT. 
          SO I, I CONCUR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GENERALLY WITH STAFF, BUT AS A WAY FORWARD, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING APPROVALS WITH ALL OF THESE STIPULATIONS AND NOT KNOWING WHAT TO ULTIMATELY HOW CAN IT BE. 
          SO IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO, TO PROPOSE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT STAFF HAS OUTLINED AS AN ALTERNATIVE, I MIGHT BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. 
          I WOULD JUST NEED TO SEE IT TO SEE IT DRAWN. 
          SO I, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE BEST POINT FORWARD HERE IS, UH, TO A MOTION, A DENIAL, AND GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION AT THIS TIME. 
          AND IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS DISAGREE WITH ME, HEAR THOSE COMMENTS AFTERWARDS. 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO DENY AND VOTING AND AFFIRMATIVE ON THAT MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. 
          UM, I, I TEND TO SUPPORT THAT, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, STIPULATION ONE THERE. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE BETTER COURSE OF ACTION WITH THIS. 
          AND, UM, I DO NOT FEEL I COULD SUPPORT WHAT IS BEING SUBMITTED HERE TODAY IN THIS PACKAGE. 
          AND THEREFORE I, UM, I CONCUR WITH THE, UH, THE MOTION TO DENY A SECOND THE MOTION. 
          SO I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH, LET'S TRY AN AUDIBLE ONE, ONE TIME. 
          THAT IS AN AYE. 
          SO MOVING ON TO SINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ, I MEAN VELAZQUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          OLA AYE. 
          SO MAD IS ABSENT. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          FETZER, AYE. 
          LA IS ABSENT. 
          AND MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [23.Address/Description: 222 W WOODLAWN AVE HDRC Case No.: 2021471 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Christopher Gelabert Request: Demolition and reconstruction of the rear accessory structure with the construction of a secondstory addition City Council Dist.: 1]
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H D R C CASE NUMBER 23. 
          I'M SORRY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 4 7 1 2 22 WEST WOODLAWN. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH THE EXISTING ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND TWO, RECONSTRUCT THE SOUTHWEST AND EAST WALLS OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ADDITION. 
          THE EXISTING SIDING IS PROPOSED TO BE REUSED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION. 
          THE RECONSTRUCTION WILL FEATURE A NEW NORTH FACADE. 
          ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS ONE A THROUGH ONE C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DECONSTRUCTED VERSUS DEMOLISHED, AND THAT THE EXISTING SIDING IS SALVAGED WHERE POSSIBLE TO BE REUSED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION. 
          A DECONSTRUCTION AND REUSE PLAN SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF AS PART OF THE PACKAGE FOR FINAL APPROVAL THAT CLEARLY INDICATES THE ITEMS TO BE SALVAGED AND THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS AND THE NEW STRUCTURE. 
          ITEM TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS TWO A THROUGH TWO H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE CARRIAGE DOORS ARE FULLY WOOD. 
          FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED CARRIAGE DOORS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN AND WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING TWO G, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS SHOWING TRADITIONAL WINDOW PROPORTIONS ON THE EAST ELEVATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD WINDOWS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW THAT MEET STA STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. 
          AND THE, UH, AS A CASE COMMENT, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS CONSENTED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED. 
          UM, THEY ARE WITH US VIRTUALLY TO ANSWER ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. 
          THERE ARE LETTERS, UM, IN OPPOSITION IN YOUR FOLDER, HOWEVER, THOSE WERE FOR DEMOLITION AND THE APPLICANT HAD SINCE, UH, CHANGED THE APPLICATION TO DEMOLITION AND DECON OR DECONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, AND SO CHRIS BERT IS WITH US. 
          CHRIS, YOU CAN ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONER AT THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, I, UM, HAVE, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY IT'S BEEN, UH, A PLEASURE WORKING WITH, UH, WITH RACHEL BECAUSE, UH, THIS KIND OF STARTED AS A, AS A, UH, AN INITIAL, UM, PLAN TO, UH, KIND OF START FRESH AND DEMOLISH. 
          AND AFTER SPEAKING TO HER AND, UM, SPEAKING WITH PAUL KINISON FROM THE A R C WITH MONTE VISTA, UM, WE DECIDED TO KIND OF PIVOT AND GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FOR, FOR RECONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, OUR GARAGE STRUCTURE IS, UM, IN, UH, PRETTY POOR SHAPE AND WE'VE BEEN KIND OF WORKING ON INCREMENTALLY IMPROVING IT OVER THE TWO YEARS THAT WE'VE OWNED THE HOUSE. 
          UM, ADDING A GARAGE DOOR TO THE REAR ALLEY TO MAKE IT USABLE. 
          UH, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A TREE GROWING OUT OF THE BACK OF THE, UH, GARAGE AND SO WE'VE BEEN, UH, WORKING QUITE A BIT TO MAKE IT A USABLE SPACE. 
          UM, AND WE NOTICED THAT, UH, IN MONTE VISTA THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER HOUSES THAT HAVE TWO STORY GARAGES WITH, UH, WITH A SMALL LIVING SPACE ABOVE IT. 
          UH, AND SO, UH, WE WERE INSPIRED BY, UH, BY THAT AND, UH, TRYING TO MIMIC THE DESIGN WHILE STILL, UM, MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC, UH, QUALITIES OF THE GARAGE ITSELF. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. 
          UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION, I I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT. 
          A SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          BBS. 
          AYE. 
          S THAT IS AN A. 
          SAVINA NAY. 
          QUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          OLA AYE EZ ABSENT CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          ZER AYE. 
          AND THE IS ABSENT. 
          AND MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [24.Address/Description: 183 THORAIN BLVD HDRC Case No.: 2021503 Historic District Name: Olmos Park Terrace Applicant: Juan Scott/Dillard Architect Group Request: Construction of a new 1story rear accessory structure, window replacement, siding replacement City Council Dist.: 1]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 
          [01:55:01]
24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 0 3 180 3 TERRAIN. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING STEEL CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH PELLET IMPERIA FIBERGLASS WINDOWS. 
          TWO. 
          REPLACE THE ASBESTOS SHINGLES ON THE GARAGE STRUCTURE WITH FIBER CEMENT LAP SIDING. 
          THREE. 
          REPLACE THE GARAGE DOORS. 
          FOUR. 
          CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY 448 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          FIVE. 
          INSTALL A NEW DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT AND SIX, INSTALL A NEW REAR WALKWAY. 
          ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          A THROUGH D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN PLACE. 
          ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THE CLADDING REPLACEMENT ON THE GARAGE BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE REPLACEMENT SIDING FEATURES A REVEAL NO MORE THAN SIX INCHES IN A SMOOTH TEXTURE. 
          ITEM THREE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE GARAGE DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOOR OR A GARAGE DOOR WITH A DESIGN THAT MIMICS WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT FAUX GRAIN WOOD TEXTURE. 
          FINAL OR FINAL GARAGE DOOR SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          ITEM FOUR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON ITEMS G THROUGH O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING G THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS OF FOUR, THE PROPOSED DOORS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          ITEM FIVE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING P WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE DRIVEWAY DOES NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND IS INSTALLED WITH SEPARATION FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. 
          ITEM SIX STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR WALKWAY INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING Q WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS DIMENSIONS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED REAR REAR WALKWAY TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          AND THE PROPERTY OWNER CELINE THOMPSON AND UH, THE APPLICANT MR. UH SCOTT ARE ON THE LINE WITH US VIRTUALLY AND CELINE SELENA. 
          MR. SCOTT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME. 
          YES. 
          HOW YOU DOING? THIS IS, UH, MR. SCOTT JUWAN SCOTT, I WORK WITH THE DEALER ARCHITECT GROUP AND, UM, WE ARE ACCEPTABLE TO ALL THE, UM, STAFF, UH, COMMENTS. 
          THE ONLY QUESTION OR OR CONCERN WE HAVE OR IS ACTUALLY FOR THE, UM, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS AND WE'RE WONDERING IF WE CAN HAVE A, UM, HAVE I GUESS A REVIEW OR NOT, NOT NECESSARILY A REVIEW, BUT I GUESS A, A VOTE ON IT BECAUSE OF THE, UM, COSTS. 
          SO WE, WE WERE ABLE TO, TO CONTACT A, UH, A WINDOW REPAIR SPECIALIST WHO TO REPAIR THE, UH, STEEL WINDOWS. 
          AND THAT COST CAME IN AT AROUND 90 $93,000. 
          AND SO IT WAS AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, FOR REPLACEMENT OR FIXING THE ACTUAL WINDOWS. 
          UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE WINDOW THAT ACTUALLY WORKS AS FAR AS FOR THAT. 
          UM, OTHER STILL WINDOWS AND SO ALL THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN BEDROOMS ARE NOT OPERABLE. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF WONDERING IF WE CAN KIND OF GET SOME SOME LEEWAY TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A, A FIREWALL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THERE WAS, THAT'S THAT MEANS OF SECONDARY MEANS OF EGRESS, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, GET OUT OF THAT HOUSE. 
          AND SO WE WERE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE P WINDOW AS A, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR STYLE WINDOW AS FAR AS THE, UM, REVEALS AND, UM, MATERIALS TO MIMIC THE, UM, EXISTING STEEL WINDOWS. 
          AND THAT WAS OUR, UM, OUR CONCERN. 
          I HAVE SOME INFORMATION I CAN SEND TO REVIEW SO YOU GUYS CAN HAVE A, A, UH, A GUESS MORE IN DEPTH LOOK AT THE STYLE OF THE WINDOWS TO SEE THAT WE ARE MIMICKING OR, AND COMING BACK WITH A WINDOW TO MATCH THE EXISTING. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF MS. CELINE WOULD, MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT AS WELL. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS CASE. 
          UM, YEAH, WE, UM, WE, THESE WINDOWS ARE JUST PAPER THIN AND THIS LAST, UH, WINTER WHEN WE HAD THE, THIS, THE BIG STORM THERE WAS ACTUALLY ICE ON THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOWS AND WE TOOK A PICTURE OF THE AIR THAT WAS COMING IN FROM THOSE WINDOWS AND IT WAS A REGISTERING ABOUT 33 DEGREES. 
          THESE WINDOWS JUST, UM, LEAK AIR AND THERE IS NO WAY TO INSULATE THEM AND THEY DON'T OPEN, UM, 
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WHICH IS THE OTHER ISSUE. 
          UM, THERE'S ALWAYS, EVEN WITHOUT THE ICE ON THE WINDOW FROM THE BIG STORM, THERE'S ALWAYS SEVERE CONDENSATION ON THESE WINDOWS. 
          SO, UH, THE WOOD, UH, SILLS THAT ARE AROUND THE WINDOW CONSTANTLY, UM, PEELING AND CRACKING AND, UM, IT'S JUST, UM, JUST A, A MESSY SITUATION TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UM, ALL THE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTION FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          VERY YES SIR. 
          QUICKLY, UM, THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES, I, I I'VE HAD A, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN, IN, UH, RESTORING THESE STEEL CASEMENT WINDOWS AND UNLESS THEY'RE REALLY RUSTED OUT, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE, UH, PROCESS OF, OF REGLAZING AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, TA TAKING, UH, A, A STEEL BRUSH AND CLEANING OFF ANY KIND OF SURFACE CORROSION PRIMING. 
          REPAINTING. 
          UM, DID YOU OBSERVE, UH, ANY FAILURE OF ANY OF THE SASHES OF THE MULLINS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? STAFF DID CONDUCT A SITE VISIT AND THERE WAS, UM, PAINT PEELING AND CHIPPING. 
          THERE WERE, THE WINDOWS ARE NOT OPERABLE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE AND JUST MINOR RUST. 
          SO THERE WERE IN GENERALLY REPAIRABLE CONDITION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I WAS, UH, HAPPY TO, TO DISCOVER A SOURCE ON AMAZON FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE CRANKS. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE PROCESS. 
          I CANNOT, I'M, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW COULD RACK UP TO $90,000. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO, UH, COMPANY IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          THE, THE COMPANY THAT H D R, UH, HISTORIC, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED WAS IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, . 
          SO AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THERE'S NOT EVEN ANYBODY IN SAN ANTONIO THAT CAN FIX 'EM. 
          AND WE, AND, AND MY ARCHITECT SUBMITTED ALL OF THE WINDOW PICTURES AND THAT WAS THE BID THAT THEY GAVE US BASED ON THE REFERRAL THAT, UH, HISTORIC REVIEW STAFF GAVE US FOR A COMPANY THAT WOULD FIX THE WINDOWS. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES MA'AM. 
          YEAH, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UM, AND I THINK ALSO, UH, ANOTHER PART TO THIS, UH, REQUEST IS ALSO THE REPLACEMENT IS NOT, UM, AN EXACT REPLACEMENT AND DOESN'T REALLY FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES, THE PELLA, UH, CHOICE THAT THE HOMEOWNER HAS COME UP WITH. 
          SO I THINK THAT, UM, LIKE GOING ALONG, WHAT WE ALWAYS DO IS RIGHT NOW WE'LL DENY A FULL REPLACEMENT AND THEN MAYBE THE HOMEOWNER CAN DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH, NOT ONLY BASED ON WHAT THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION CAN PROVIDE, BUT THERE ARE MANY, MANY RESOURCES IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THEN COME BACK WITH, UM, A CLEAR WINDOW REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. 
          AT LEAST. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD SAY A FULL REPLACEMENT OF ALL WINDOWS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTABLE, BUT MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT ONE BY ONE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT. 
          IN FACT, IF WE COULD, I WOULD BE WILLING TO LEAVE THE FRONT FACING WINDOWS ENTIRELY. 
          THE NORTH FACING WINDOWS ARE THE WORST IN THE HOUSE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, UH, IN THE KITCHEN. 
          YEAH, THE ONLY THING IS I DON'T THINK IT'S A DECISION WE WOULD MAKE TODAY. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND IT BEING A SEPARATE PROPOSAL AT A LATER TIME WITH A, I UNDERSTAND SPECIFIC SITE VISIT AND THE PICTURES THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR APPLICATION. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST INDIVIDUAL PICTURES OF THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT HELP ME. 
          UM, IT'S, I CAN ZOOM IN ALL I CAN, BUT THE RESOLUTION IS GETS WORSE. 
          SO THAT DOESN'T HELP ME, UH, GET A GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT THE STATE OF THE WINDOWS ARE. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES SIR. 
          UH, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT OR CLARIFICATION. 
          WAS THAT $93,000 ON THE QUOTE YOU WERE GIVEN? YES. 
          UH, 93 K? YES. 
          OH, THAT, OKAY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WINDOWS . 
          OKAY. 
          I I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          ITS ABOUT 18 WINDOWS OR SO. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I THINK I MAY HAVE TO START A SIDELINE VISIT HERE. 
          I MEAN, IF THERE'S NOT ONE HERE IN TOWN, WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK INTO IT. 
          , UH, PAY ME HALF THAT AND I'LL DO IT. 
          . 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP MADE A GREAT SUGGESTION OF, OF GOING AHEAD AND, AND, UH, KINDA SEVERING UH, ITEM ONE FROM OUR CONSIDERATION FOR TODAY. 
          AND, AND, UM, AND UH, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT THEN. 
          YOU'RE 
          [02:05:01]
ACCEPTING THE STIPULATIONS, STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS, UH, TWO THROUGH SIX, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UM, I MOVE FOR DENIAL OF ITEM ONE AS SUBMITTED TODAY, BUT THAT LEAVES THE DOOR OPEN FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH, UH, FUTURE PROPOSALS AND MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS, CAN YOU REPEAT ONE MORE TIME? I FISH. 
          THAT'S AN I SINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          AYE. 
          UM, ABSENT CARPENTER? AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND THE IS ABSENT. 
          AND MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [25.Address/Description: 801 MATAGORDA HDRC Case No.: 2021349 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: David Buchanan/Better by Design Request: Window replacement, fenestration modifications, rear addition removal and construction of a 1story rear addition, side deck installation, chimney removal City Council Dist.: 1]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 3 49 8 0 1 MATAGORDA. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS TWO, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS. 
          THREE. 
          INSTALL A SIDE YARD DECK FOUR, REMOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL REAR ADDITION. 
          FIVE, CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION AND SIX, REMOVE THE THREE INOPERABLE CHIMNEYS. 
          ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WINDOWS THE SIZE OF THE HISTORIC WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED TRANSOM WINDOW CONFIGURATION. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS AND THE WINDOWS SHOULD MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. 
          ITEM TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD DOORS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DECK INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE WIDTH OF THE DECK STAIRS TO MORE CLOSELY MATCH THE WIDTH OF THE FRONT PORCH STAIRS OR ORIENTS THE DECK STAIRS TO THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          ITEM FOUR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE MATERIALS FROM THE REAR ADDITION, INCLUDING SALVAGEABLE WOOD SIDING, BE SALVAGED AND STORED FOR USE ON SITE AND FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OR USED IN THE NEW REAR ADDITION ITEM FIVE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE STORY REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS H THROUGH L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING I FINDINGS, I AND J, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS SHOWING TRADITIONAL WINDOW PROPORTIONS ON THE REAR ELEVATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS ON THE REAR. 
          ADDITION. 
          AS AS NOTED IN FINDING J, THE WINDOWS SHOULD MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES AN OFFSET OR VERTICAL TRIM PIECE AT THE REAR ADDITION TO DISTINGUISH THE REAR ADDITION FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          AND ITEM SIX STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CHIMNEY REMOVAL BASED ON FINDING M SINCE THE PUBLISH, UM, SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER HAVE CONSENTED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, JEANIE GARCIA IS ON THE LINE WITH US VIRTUALLY AND UH, HAS COMMITTED TO RETAINING THE EXISTING CHIMNEYS ON THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO ACTUALLY I DON'T SEE THE PROPERTY OWNER ON OUR LIST. 
          UM, YOU MIGHT CHECK WITH HER. 
          THERE IS A CALLER THAT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MUTE AND WE'LL SEE WHO THEY ARE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. 
          SO I JUST, UM, UNMUTED A CALLER. 
          IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR WHAT CASE YOU'RE HERE FOR. 
          IT'S A NUM NUMBER THAT STARTS WITH A 7 2 5. 
          YOU'RE LIVE IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ITEM. 
          SO I ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE OWNER SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          OH, IT IS. 
          SHE MESSAGED ME THAT SHE'S ON MUTE. 
          UM, SO SHE MAY HAVE AN AUDIO ISSUE. 
          SO IT'S JEANIE GARCIA IS ON THE LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          [02:10:02]
YES SIR. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO DO, DO WE HAVE A, A CALLER OR WE DO. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE UNMUTED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          IT IS SHOWING A GREEN MICROPHONE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU. 
          MAYBE YOUR PHONE IS MUTED. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          IF NOT, WE CAN ALSO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER TRY TO CALL YOU AND, AND PIPE YOU IN THAT WAY. 
          UH, THE ONLY COMMENTS, THE LETTER OR THERE ALSO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          THE ONLY, I BELIEVE THE ONLY COMMENT IS THE, THE LETTER IN THE FOLDER. 
          NO, I THINK WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL SO WE'LL PLAY THE VOICEMAIL WE RECEIVED. 
          IT DOES CORRESPOND WITH THAT SAME LETTER. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. 
          I'M SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 25 8 0 1 MATAGORDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH 3 4 9. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE REMOVAL OF THE THREE CHIMNEYS AT 8 0 1 MATAGORDA. 
          THE OWNER HAS RECEIVED A $6,000 GRANT FROM THE SOCIETY TO RESTORE THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, WHICH MUST CONFORM TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR PRESERVATION. 
          THE CHIMNEYS ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS HOUSE AND THEIR REMOVAL MAY JEOPARDIZE THE GRANT FUNDING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY, JEANIE GARCIA, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL? YES. 
          ? MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THIS IS JEANIE GARCIA AND UH, MY HOME IS, UH, 6 0 1 MATAGORDA. 
          AND SO I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT I AM, UH, COMMITTED TO PRESERVING THOSE CHIMNEYS AND, UH, CERTAINLY AM VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF, UM, THE, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM. 
          AND, UH, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M COMMITTED TO, TO, TO DOING. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER P. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IT'S ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ON ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, IN CONCURRENCE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE LOOKED HIM OVER AND, UH, WE WILL BE, UH, UH, FOLLOWING ALL OF THE, UH, CONSENT AND THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO, UH, THE ANSWER'S YES. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, I CONCUR WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND STAFF ON THE CHIMNEYS. 
          SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION AND DENIAL OF ITEM SIX. 
          I'LL BE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH, THAT WAS AN I, SINA AYE. 
          YES, VELASQUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          OLA AYE. 
          SO IS ABSENT CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND THE PHONE IS ABSENT. 
          AND MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. GARCIA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          [26.Address/Description: 275 NORTH DR HDRC Case No.: 2021508 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Eugene Davis Request: Addition of a driveway City Council Dist.: 7]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26, UM, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 0 8 2 7 5 NORTH DRIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ADD A NEW DRIVEWAY TO 
          [02:15:01]
BE APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET WIDE BY 17 FEET LONG. 
          STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE DRIVEWAY BE NO WIDER THAN 10 FEET AND DETACHED FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          AND THE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, HERE IN PERSON, UM, EUGENE DAVIS. 
          YEAH, THE APPLICANT. 
          GO AHEAD AND APPROACH THE PODIUM RIGHT THERE. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          I'M GONNA TRY AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. 
          YOU ALL HAVE BEEN. 
          VERY PATIENT. 
          IT'S BEEN A REAL EDUCATIONAL LISTENING TO THE, THE WHOLE PROCESS HERE. 
          AND, UM, I APPRECIATE MS. TOMANS, UH, ASSISTANCE IN GETTING THIS WORKED OUT. 
          UH, ORIGINALLY WE, I DID REQUEST, UM, THE DRIVEWAY TO BE ABOUT 25, 23, 25 FEET WIDE. 
          WE HAVE A TRAVEL TRAILER THAT'S PARKED IN OUR BACKYARD AND SWINGING THAT OUT. 
          NO WAY WE CAN GET IT IN A A 10 FOOT SPACE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE RADIUS OF GETTING BACK ONTO SHEAR STREET, UH, IS IMPOSSIBLE IN A 10 FOOT SPACE. 
          AT ANY RATE, TO MAKE IT EASIER, UH, MY WIFE AND I HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, UH, SINCE WE HEARD FROM, UH, THE HISTORIC REVIEW BOARD AND EVERYTHING, AND WE THOUGHT, WHAT WOULD BE SIMPLER? WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, BRICKS ON THE DRIVEWAY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT. 
          AND, UH, OH, THERE, THERE WE GO. 
          WELL, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE BRICKS. 
          YOU KIND OF DO. 
          YEAH, THE, THE TRUCK IS SITTING ON TOP OF THE BRICKS THERE. 
          AND ANYWAY, WE WOULD JUST, UH, I, I READ SOMEWHERE ABOUT PERVIOUS PAVING SERVICES, UH, MAY BE CONSIDERED. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          AND WE WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING TO HAVE A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST MORE CONCRETE . 
          I'M NOT REAL CRAZY ABOUT THAT ANYWAY. 
          AND SO WE, WE WOULD JUST REALLY LIKE TO JUST CUT THE CURB, MAKE IT EASIER, HAVE A LITTLE TRANSITION. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM WHEN WE'RE COMING UP OFF THE, UM, UH, THE BACKYARD OR WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO THE BACKYARD, UH, THE PROBLEM IS GETTING OVER THAT CURB AND IF THERE, IF IT'S RAINING OR IT'S WET, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SPINNING OUR TIRES, ALL THAT STUFF. 
          SO WE WANNA JUST AMEND OUR REQUEST BASICALLY, INSTEAD OF, UH, ASKING FOR THE 25 FOOT DRIVEWAY, JUST MAKE A, A SIMPLE CUTTING TO THE CURB. 
          AND THEN WE CAN HAVE LIKE A TRANSITION, MAYBE SIX INCHES. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT CLUB DRIVE AND THEY HAVE THIS A RED BRICK, UM, DRIVEWAY, AND THEN MAYBE A SIX INCH PIECE OF CONCRETE THAT GOES FROM THE STREET TO THE DRIVEWAY. 
          ONE THING, THIS IS MY WIFE SANDY GABRIEL. 
          ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD WAS, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE THAT THE TRAILER'S 24 FEET, THE FIRST PICTURE THAT THEY SHOWED YOU WAS A SMALLER ONE, AND THAT WASN'T A PROBLEM. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, BACKING UP WITH A TRUCK AND THAT TRAILER, IT'S REALLY A WIDE, WIDE TURN. 
          EVERY TIME WE GO IN OR OUT THE CURB IS, IS THE MAIN PROBLEM. 
          AND WE CAN PUT THE REST BRICK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE SECTION OF GRASS, WE CAN COVER IT ALL WITH BRICK. 
          MOST OF IT IS ALREADY THERE, BUT THE CURB CUT IS WHAT WE REALLY WOULD NEED FOR IT TO WORK. 
          AND WE REALLY WANNA HAVE YOU CONSIDER OUR REQUEST. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, FOR THE REQUESTED CURB CUT IN THIS KINDA REVISION, ARE YOU WANTING IT TO BE 20 FEET OR CAN YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT IN A 10 FOOT CURB? CUT? NO WAY WE COULD ACCOMPLISH IT WITH 10 FOOT ON THE TRAILER. 
          UH, EVERY, I HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE. 
          I DIDN'T TURN IT IN, UH, ON TIME, BUT, UH, BASICALLY YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT GOES THROUGH THE MUD, UH, ON, WELL, THERE'S GRASS, YOU SEE THE LEFT AND AFTER WE CAME BACK FROM GARNER STATE PARK THE OTHER DAY, WE TRIED TO GET BACK AND IT WAS JUST SPINNING THROUGH THAT, THAT DIRT. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, YEAH, DEFINITELY HAVE IT AT AT LEAST 20 FEET, I WOULD SAY. 
          I THINK WHAT HE'S TRYING TO TELL YOU IS WE ONLY CUT THE CURB 10 FEET. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, WHATEVER'S ALREADY WIDER THAN 10 EXISTING BRICK, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE YOU MOVE IT, BUT REMAIN REMAINING ON THAT 10 FEET WIDE ON ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE ADDING ON. 
          AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE, UH, I CAN SUPPORT THAT THE BRICK ALREADY EXISTS, WHICH IS KIND OF, I THINK WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF USING AS A, AS A THING. 
          AND THEN I SAY I WOULD SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT'S ADDING THE BRICKS AT 10 FEET AND THEN WHATEVER'S 
          [02:20:01]
ALREADY ON EACH SIDE BESIDES THE 10, WELL, YOU'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE IT, BUT I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, SINCE THAT'S A CHANGE OF THE REQUEST, WE CAN REPLACE THE STAFF, BE OKAY WITH IT. 
          REPLACE, WE CAN REPLACE THE WHOLE THING WITH CONCRETE. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          IF WE NEED TO TAKE OUT THE BRICK WHEN HE TURNS, HE'S LIKE AT THE ALLEY WITH THE END OF THE TRAILER AND HE'S TURNING IN THERE THE 10 FEET, YOU KNOW. 
          SO LET'S JUST BACK UP HERE BECAUSE THEN I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD SEND THIS TO A D R C OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THIS IS A STREET. 
          THIS IS NOT AN ALLEY, THIS IS A STREET, RIGHT? NO, I'M SAYING WHEN HE BACKS UP, HE'S BEYOND THE, THE BACK OF THE TRAILER IS, IT'S BEYOND, IT'S WHERE, MA'AM, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? HE'S, YEAH. 
          AND I THINK MOST OF THE HOUSES HERE IN ON SHERE HAVE LIGHTER DRIVEWAYS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, I MEAN, I GUESS, UH, THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY STAFF IS APPROVING IT. 
          I JUST, UM, I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH MORE THAN 10 FEET, WHICH IS OUR GUIDELINES WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE A, ANOTHER 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY NEXT TO, OH, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS, UM, I'VE NOTICED I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE STREETS, LIKE NORTH DRIVE THAT WE HAVE OUR ADDRESS ON THAT THOSE, UH, HOMES ALL HAVE LIKE, LIKE YOU SAY, ABOUT A 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, UH, ON SHEAR STREET, WHICH WE ARE A CORNER LOT AND FACE. 
          I WALKED ABOUT 10 BLOCKS THERE, AND THERE WAS NOT ONE DRIVEWAY THAT WAS 10 FOOT. 
          THEY'RE ALL UP TO 48 FEET WIDE. 
          AND I, I SUBMITTED ONE PICTURE. 
          I KNOW, UM, SHOWING THAT, AND YOU KNOW, I'M, LIKE I SAID, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A 48 FOOT ONE. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ADD MORE CONCRETE, WE JUST WANT TO CUT THE CURB SO THAT WE CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THERE EASIER. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
          YEAH. 
          WE SHOULD PASSED ALL OUR NEIGHBOR. 
          YES. 
          I WAS CALLING TO OFFER COMMENTS FOR CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 5 0 8 2 7 5 NORTH DRIVE. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, M P N A, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF M P N A'S PRESIDENT DREA GARZA AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. 
          OUR ADDRESS IS POST OFFICE BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE OFFER THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. 
          WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS INVESTING IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES AND PROPERTIES. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR, FOR APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE DRIVEWAY BE NO WIDER THAN 10 FEET AND DETACHED FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          WE NOTE THAT THE IMAGE OF THE SIDE X ACCESS CONCRETE PAVEMENT FOR THE HOME LOCATED AT 6 0 2 DONALDSON AVENUE, LOCATED IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, WAS INSTALLED BEFORE THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS CREATED. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THIS CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE? YES, IF, I GUESS IF JUST IF I HAD ANY OBSERVATIONS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT LANGUAGES ABOUT MAYBE A, A COMPROMISE ON MATERIAL BEING USED AND THEN WHAT HOPEFULLY YOU COULD HAVE AS A CURVE CUT. 
          AND SO I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION BEING MADE MAYBE BY JUST A SITE VISIT, BY, BY US, BY D R C MAYBE COULD BE HELPFUL IN THIS CONVERSATION. 
          I AGREE. 
          COMMISSIONER, I'LL MOVE FOR D R C SECOND. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A SITE D R C. 
          SO WE WOULD COME OUT AND, AND LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY AND, AND THE CONDITIONS THERE. 
          UH, I NEED DISCUSSION. 
          I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          WILL THE LARGE TR UH, TRAILER OR VEHICLE BE ON SITE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE, WE DID HEAR YOU THIS TIME SINA. 
          AYE. 
          QUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          OLA AYE. 
          ABSENT CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          PET AYE. 
          AND THE PHONE IS ABSENT. 
          AND MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          STAFF WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [02:25:53]
UH, AGENDA 
          [27.Address/Description: 129 WICKES HDRC Case No.: 2021506 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Gino Lutz Request: Roof replacement City Council Dist.: 1]
ITEM 27. 
          THIS IS H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 DASH 5 0 6 AT 1 29 WIX. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF WITH A BEIGE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. 
          UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ROOF REPLACEMENT WITH A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          STIPULATION ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. 
          SEEMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH AND A WIDTH AND WIDTH. 
          A CRIMPED BRIDGE SEAM PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. 
          BRIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION. 
          NO VINTAGE RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. 
          AN ONSITE INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. 
          ALL CHIMNEY, FLU AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE PRESERVED. 
          STIPULATION TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF IN A STANDARD GAL GAL LOOM FINISH. 
          UM, THERE IS ONE LETTER IN FILE IN SUPPORT. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT, GINO LUTZ IS IN ATTENDANCE VIRTUALLY MR. LUTZ, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO UNMUTE. 
          OKAY, MR. LUTZ, I JUST SENT YOU A UNMUTE REQUEST. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS, I'LL JUST NOTE AT THIS TIME YOU DO HAVE A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'LL TRY TO GIVE HIM A CALL AND SEE IF HE CAN, UM, I MEAN, FIVE. 
          CAN I ASK, UH, STAFF A QUESTION? YES. 
          UH, HAS THE APPLICANT UH, AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS OR IS THERE AN OBJECTION? UH, , THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THE, UM, STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL OF A, UM, OF A METAL ROOF, HOWEVER, HAS REQUESTED A BEIGE FINISH COLOR. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE ONLY STIPULATION IS STILL, LETS NOW, IS IT'S FOR THE COLOR OF THE, THE, THE ROOFING MATERIAL. 
          YES. 
          HI. 
          MY WIFE'S, UH, GONNA JOIN ME, BUT SHE JUST, WE HAVE A TODDLER AND SHE JUST, UH, HAD AN ACCIDENT. 
          SO, UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN DRIVING AROUND THERE, THERE ARE HOUSES AROUND US THAT HAVE COLORED ROOFS AND, UM, WE HAD A COLOR SPECIALIST THAT, UH, THAT RECOMMENDED A DIFFERENT COLOR PALETTE FOR OUR HOUSE AND HE RECOMMENDED A, UH, A BEIGE COLORED ROOF, UM, TO GO WITH IT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. 
          CAN THEY SEE, SEE ME? NO. 
          HERE I GO. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          OH. 
          OH, 'CAUSE THE CAMERA. 
          OKAY, SORRY. 
          THERE WE GO, . 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT OUR, OUR BASE PLUG ROOF AND WATER. 
          OH, YES. 
          UH, MR. JIM SMITH SUGGESTED IT, UH, TO GO WITH THE COLOR PALETTE THAT HE ALSO RECOMMENDED FOR THE EXTERIOR OF THE WHOLE HOUSE. 
          LOTS OF GREEN TONE. 
          I THINK Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          IF NOT, WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU. 
          UM, DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD 
          [02:30:01]
AND SAW A, A MYRIAD OF COLORS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING FROM DARK RED ROOFS TO VERY, A VERY DARK CHOCOLATE BROWN ON THE 400 BLOCK OF WICKS, UH, BRAND NEW METAL ROOFS. 
          NOT OLD, YOU KNOW, THE OLDER ONES, OF COURSE, LOTS OF THE GAL BLOOM COLORS. 
          AND THEN SOME OF THE REAL RUST, ONE THAT LOOKS RED, LOOKS RED. 
          BUT, UM, WE RECENTLY DID AN ALMOND COLOR AT 9 3 5 SOUTH ALAMO, WHICH IS OUR OFFICE, AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT. 
          SO THE SURREY BEIGE IS TOO BROWN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD MAYBE OPT FOR THAT INSTEAD. 
          BUT OUR HOUSE NOW HAS A VERY DARK BROWN SHINGLE ROOF. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO MAYBE NOT GO BECAUSE THE GAL BLOOM IS SUCH A, A METALLIC SILVERY LOOKING COLOR. 
          TO ME IT LOOKS MORE LIKE COMMERCIAL, BUT I KNOW IT'S USED EVERYWHERE. 
          SO WE'RE FLEXIBLE. 
          CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO ONE OF THE MATERIALITY OF, UH, THE ROOF IS KIND OF ONE OF AN IMPORTANT ASPECT IN THE PRESERVATION GUIDELINES. 
          SO YOU HAVE, UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ASPHALT SHINGLES ON THE ROOF RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS A CHANGE TO, IF WE'RE WE'RE CHANGING TO A METAL ROOF, THEN IT, IT'S EXPECTED THAT THAT METAL ROOF COMPLY WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. 
          FOR INSTANCE, THERE AREN'T HISTORIC HISTORICALLY FOUND, UM, ARTIFICIALLY COLORED WINDOWS. 
          I SEE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN SUPPORT OF THE ROOF, UH, VEST. 
          UH, BUT THEY'RE ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE GOO FINISH. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUPPORT TODAY. 
          BUT WE CAN HEAR FROM SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, YES, SIR. 
          UH, WHAT ONE SUGGESTION I MIGHT HAVE, UM, TO FIND A A POINT OF COMPROMISE HERE IS I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT A, A BRAND NEW FRESH GALVAO ROOF ONTO AN HISTORIC HOME, IT CAN BE KIND OF GLARING. 
          UM, THEY DO MAKE PRE WEATHERED GALVAO AND THAT HAS A SORT OF A DEEP PEWTER, UH, COLOR TO IT. 
          SO IT BEGINS TO APPROXIMATE SOME OF THE DARKER ROOF COLORS THAT YOU FIND THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I WOULD PERHAPS SUGGEST THAT AS A, AS A POSSIBLE, UH, PATH FORWARD HERE. 
          WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, THIS QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING Y'ALL WOULD, UH, CONSIDER ACCEPTABLE GOING WITH A PRE WEATHERED GAL BALLOON? UH, I GUESS WE COULD SEE IF THE MATERIAL'S AVAILABLE AND IF THERE'S A, A PRICE DIFFERENCE ON THAT. 
          UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          HOW, HOW WAS IT THAT THE VERY DARK CHOCOLATE BROWN AND THE RED ROOFS WERE ON THE, ON THE 400 BLOCK OF WICKS, WHERE THOSE, THOSE JUST DONE WITHOUT ANY, UM, PERMISSION OR, OR WAS THOSE APPROVED? I I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW, HOW THAT WENT ABOUT. 
          THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF TO KNOW WHAT PRO PROPERTIES THOSE ARE. 
          I MEAN, THE BEST I CAN DO IS LOOK ON STREET VIEW AND TRY TO FIND THEM, BUT I, SINCE, YEAH, SINCE 2012, UM, THE STANDARD GLOOM FINISH HAS BEEN OUR CONSISTENT RECOMMENDATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, WE ALSO SOMETIMES CONSIDERED AS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SUGGESTED, LIKE A, A MODIFICATION TO THAT, UM, SOMETHING IN A, SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S IN THE METALLIC RANGE. 
          BUT WE ALSO, UM, ALLOW SOMETIMES LIKE WHITE AND OTHER ROLL-ON COATINGS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC COLORS THAT ARE USED. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE ISSUE AND THE REASON THAT THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND AGAINST THE MANUFACTURING COLORS IS, IS FOR THAT REASON, IT IS A, A MODERN MANUFACTURED MATERIAL. 
          AND SO, UM, THE COLOR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE JUST, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS TO GET IT TO A MORE, UH, HISTORICALLY, UH, ACCURATE APPEARANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, SO THEN WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS, WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO THIS COLOR, SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO REQUEST THE ALMOND, WHICH IS THE, THE MORE WHITE COLOR, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE OR WOULD WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CROSS ALL OVER AGAIN FOR, FOR THAT COLOR? IT'S, EXCEPT THAT OFF WHITE. 
          THEY CALL IT ALMOND. 
          YEAH. 
          STAFF JUST APPROVED THAT FOR OUR OFFICE. 
          UH, JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ON SOUTH ALAMO. 
          UM, THEY APPROVED AN ALMOND COLOR, WHICH WE JUST PUT ON. 
          UM, UH, NOW CAN YOU STAFF, CAN YOU CONFIRM ? WE, WE DO APPROVE WHITE AND OFF WHITE COLORS, UM, PRETTY ROUTINELY. 
          UM, AND IT'S USUALLY UNNOTICEABLE LIKE IN THE SUN AND YOU HAVE REFLECTION, YOU CAN'T REALLY DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE METALLIC AND A, A WHITE KIND OF COLOR ANYWAYS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE, THE CASE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT HERE AT OUR, OUR HOUSE ON WIX AND THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. 
          YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL TRY TO FIND THAT ONE THAT YOU WERE SAYING 
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HAS MORE OF A PATINA THAT LOOKS MORE, UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY, IT'S THAT STARK NEW METAL THAT'S KIND OF, TO ME JUST WOULDN'T WORK WITH OUR, OUR GREEN COLOR SCHEME THAT WE'RE GOING WITH WE'RE GONNA DO IS JUST SO, LIKE, IT'S JUST A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHEN THEY'RE BRAND NEW LIKE THAT. 
          BUT IF WE CAN FIND THAT MORE WEATHERED LOOKING ONE, WE'LL DEFINITELY, UM, LOOK INTO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE JUST WANNA GET GOING 'CAUSE OUR ROOF IS IN NEED. 
          MA'AM, LET'S JUST DO THIS. 
          WHY DON'T WE JUST APPROVE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE FINAL COLOR BE, UM, PRESENTED TO STAFF PRIOR TO ORDERING ANYTHING, JUST SO THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE, I I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING YES. 
          GO AHEAD WITH THE WEATHER. 
          YES, GO AHEAD WITH THE ALMOND AND JUST LET THEM CHOOSE WHATEVER. 
          SO CAN WE DO THAT? WOULD THAT, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD WORK SINCE, UH, STAFF CAN, WE WOULD APPROVE AN OFF-WHITE COLOR OR A METALLIC COLOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, WELL WE HAVE YOU, YOU, WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, SO IF IT'S CONCERNING THIS ITEM, I'M READY TO DO A MOTION. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          IS IT, WAS IT REGARDING, IT WAS REGARDING THE COLORS ON THE HOUSE, BUT I GUESS THAT'S, OH, OKAY. 
          DO WE GO THROUGH YOU FOR COLORS ON THE HOUSE? NO. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          YOUR, YOUR CASE MANAGER WILL GET WITH YOU ON STEPS THAT ARE REQUIRED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, BYE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND ADD STIPULATION THAT, UM, UH, PRESENT TO STAFF FINAL MATERIAL COLOR AND I MEAN AS LONG AS IN THE METAL FAMILY, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          METALLIC OR WHITE FAMILIES? I'D SAY I'LL SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH AS AN I S AYE. 
          OLA. 
          AYE EZ ABSENT CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND LA IS ABSENT. 
          AND A MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I THINK THAT WAS OUR YOUNGEST APPLICANT TO DATE. 
          . 
          THANK YOU MR. LUTZ. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ONE OF THE MORE CHEERFUL ONES TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 28 
          [28.Address/Description: 515 MUNCEY HDRC Case No.: 2021505 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Michelle Reyes Request: Exterior alterations, addition, window replacement, fenestration modifications, driveway modifications City Council Dist.: 2]
H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 5 0 5 5 5 15. 
          MUNCIE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. 
          TWO. 
          ONE REPLACED ALL EXISTING WOOD SIDING. 
          TWO. 
          REPLACE ALL EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS. 
          THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF. 
          FOUR. 
          PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF WINDOWS AND THE CREATION OF NEW WINDOW OPENINGS. 
          FIVE. 
          REPOSITIONED THE FRONT DOOR BY CENTERING IT ON THE FRONT FACADE. 
          SIX. 
          CONSTRUCT REAR ADDITION. 
          SEVEN CONSTRUCT REAR UNCOVERED PORCH AND EIGHT, EXTEND THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY INTO THE SITE. 
          SAF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING BASED ON FINDING C. 
          SINCE ALL ORIGINAL SIDING HAS BEEN REMOVED AND DISCARDED, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT SIDING THAT FEATURES A MATCHING PROFILE BE INSTALLED. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REPLACEMENT OF ALL ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING D. 
          SINCE ALL ORIGINAL WINDOWS HAVE BEEN DISCARDED, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT SALVAGE THEIR CUSTOM FABRICATED ONE OVER ONE WIN WOOD WINDOWS BEING STALLED TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL IN SIZE AND PROFILE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE IN KIND ROOF REPLACEMENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PRO ROOF PROFILE DOES NOT CHANGE. 
          THIS INCLUDES RIDGE LINES, OVERHANGS, THE FRONT DORMER AND EXPOSE RAFTER TAILS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS SHOULD BE RESTORED AND THAT NO NEW OPENING SHOULD BE INTRODUCED TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING F STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          FRONT DOOR REPOSITIONING BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING DOOR BE DOOR OPENING BE PRESERVED. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION SHOULD FEATURE INSETS ON EACH WALL PLANE IN A ROOF THAT IS SUBORDINATE TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE'S ROOF FORM TWO, THAT THE ADDITION FEATURE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION 
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AND ADDITIONS. 
          THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED EXPOSED RAFTER TAIL SHOULD BE SIMPLIFIED AND DESIGNED AS TO NOT BE AN EXACT COPY OF THOSE FOUND ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          AND FOUR, THAT ALL GROUPED WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY A MILLION OF AT LEAST SIX INCHES IN WIDTH. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR PORCH BASED ON FINDING L A REAR UNCOVERED PORCH MAY BE APPROPRIATE. 
          HOWEVER, ITS FOOTPRINT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT OF THE REAR EDITION. 
          SHOULD NOT FEATURE WIDTH THAT EXCEEDS THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES. 
          CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR ANY REAR PORT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          THE EXIST THE EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVEWAY WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT DOES NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH. 
          THERE'S A CASE COMMENT FAUX WINDOW SHUTTERS ARE NOT TO BE INSTALLED. 
          ANY SALVAGEABLE SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS ON SITE, INCLUDING WOOD SIDING, WOOD WINDOW SASHES, WOOD TRIM AND WOOD FRAMING, LUMBER SHALL BE REUSED ON SITE. 
          ORIGINAL ARCH ARCHWAYS EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS AND ANY OTHER REMAINING ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS SHALL NOT BE MODIFIED IN ANY MANNER. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS, THE APPLICANT IS WITH US VIRTUALLY MR. VARGA. 
          SORRY, I JUST HIT YOUR BUTTON WHEN YOU UNMUTED. 
          ARE YOU THERE? OH, GOT YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO LET ME JUST FIRST START. 
          UM, SO WE WERE BROUGHT ONTO THIS PROJECT AFTER THE DEMO HAS ALREADY BEEN STARTED. 
          UM, I GOT A CALL FROM THE HOMEOWNER, UM, I GUESS THEY WERE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS. 
          SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU GUYS SEE IS WHAT I FIRST SAW WHEN WE GOT ONTO THE PROJECT. 
          UM, THERE ARE A FEW OF THOSE PHOTOS THERE. 
          UM, AND I GUESS I CAN ADDRESS, UH, I GUESS EACH, EACH LINE ITEM AS WE GO. 
          SO IF YOU ZOOM INTO, I BELIEVE IT'S THAT PICTURE, UM, THERE WAS ORIGINAL SIDING IN SOME PARTS OF THE HOUSE. 
          MOST OF THE HOUSE ON OUR FINDINGS WAS THAT VINYL, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOT APPROVED FOR HISTORIC. 
          SO WHAT WE WENT AHEAD AND DID IS ON THE PLANS OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, NOT THE ADDITION, UM, WE ACTUALLY MATCHED THAT SIDING, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED ONE 17 OR WATERFALL SIDING AS SOME PEOPLE CALL IT. 
          UM, SO THE INTENT OF THE THE PROJECT IS TO BRING IT BACK TO BASICALLY HISTORIC STANDARDS. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING NOT TO CHANGE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT NONE OF THE WINDOWS WERE ON SITE WHEN WE GOT THERE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EITHER FIND VIA SALVAGE AS YOU GUYS HAD MENTIONED. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, I GUESS PRECEDENT WOULD BE IF WE CAN DO THOSE, UH, ALUMINUM WOOD CLAD WINDOWS ON THE HISTORIC PORTION. 
          IF NOT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS DO THE SALVAGE OPTION. 
          UM, BUT BASICALLY I BELIEVE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS TO KIND OF PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL THAT WE CAN PLAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS AND I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN. 
          AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE D WOODY HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS ON H G R C CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 0 5 5 15 MUNCIE. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF THAT THIS CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC HOME HAVE ITS ORIGINAL COMPONENTS REPLACED IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION. 
          FURTHERMORE, WE RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT ALL MISSING DOORS, WINDOWS, AND SIDING BE REPLACED WITH SALVAGE MATERIAL THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY O H P, THAT THE WALLS BE DIAGONALLY BRACED UNTIL THE SHEETING OR SHIPLAP AND SIDING ARE REPLACED TO PROTECT IT FROM FURTHER DAMAGE. 
          WE ARE APPALLED AND SADDENED THAT THIS DESTRUCTION CAN STILL HAPPEN AFTER O H P AND NEIGHBORS HAVE WORKED TO INFORM AND EDUCATE RESIDENTS ON THE RESPONSIBILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH OWNING PROPERTY IN A DES DESIGNATED HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND WE ENCOURAGE STAFF TO CONTINUALLY MONITOR THIS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO MR. VARGA, YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES MA'AM. 
          UM, I JUST MAYBE WOULD SAY, UM, THAT STAFF JUST GETS DETAILS 
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ON THE TYPES OF WINDOWS IF THEY WERE TO BE PURCHASED. 
          I THINK THE, MAYBE ADD THE WINDOW STANDARDS, WINDOW STIPULATIONS OR SPECIFICATIONS, UH, STAFF CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT FOR THE, UH, REAR ADDITION. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANNA NOTE THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS THAT THE APPLICANT FIND HISTORIC WINDOWS COMPARABLE TO THE ONES THAT WERE TRASHED. 
          I AGREE. 
          BUT SINCE THE WALLS ARE ALL GONE AND EVERYTHING AND THE APPLICANT, I'M NOT SURE IF THE ARCHITECT OH, CERTAINLY. 
          WE'LL, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS NOTING THE HEAD HEIGHT, SEAL HEIGHT, WIDTHS, ET CETERA OF THE OPENING. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? YES SIR. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, I COMMEND STAFF ON THEIR CONSTRUCTION OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE OF THIS IS THE PATHWAY OUT OF A REALLY BAD SITUATION IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO ACCEPT THESE STIPULATIONS. 
          SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE. 
          I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          ALL. 
          I WILL. 
          SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE FISH, THAT WAS A THUMBS UP. 
          UM, SENO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          OLA AYE. 
          SO MAREZ ABSENT CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          BOWMAN IS ABSENT. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND THE IS ABSENT. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU MR. VARGA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          JUST BEAR WITH US. 
          UM, WE'RE WORKING TO GET OUR LAST APPLICANT ON THE LINE. 
          UM, WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, WHILE, WHILE WE ARE DOING THAT, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD. 
          EDWARD AGENDA ITEM 
          [29.Address/Description: 218 DELAWARE HDRC Case No.: 2021502 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Ana Garza Request: Front walkway modifications, landscaping City Council Dist.: 1]
NUMBER 29 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 5 0 2 2 18 DELAWARE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. 
          TWO ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING NATURAL TURF LAWN AND INSTALL MULCH WITHIN BOTH THE FRONT YARD AND THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          STRIP AND TWO TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY WITH THE STONE PAVER AND GRAVEL WALKWAY. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING NATURAL LAWN TURF WITH THE STIPULATION THAT AT LEAST 50% OF THE FRONT YARD AND RIGHT OF WAY STRIP AREA BE GREEN SPACE THROUGH, THROUGH THE INTEGRATION OF NATIVE DROUGHT TOLERANT OR LOW MAINTENANCE PLANTINGS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          THE REPLACEMENT OF THE CONCRETE WALKWAY WITH THE PAVER AND GRAVEL WALKWAY STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT A CONCRETE WALKWAY BE INSTALLED THAT MATCHES THE PROFILE OF THE ORIGINAL. 
          UM, I WILL LET THE APPLICANT, UM, CONFIRM ONCE AGAIN ONCE THEY ARE ON. 
          BUT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS NOTED THAT THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE AND THAT ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONCRETE WALKWAY IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          I GUESS WE'RE WAITING IF I COULD ASK STAFF A QUESTION. 
          WHAT, WHAT AM I LOOKING AT IN THESE PICTURES? UM, DID THEY ALREADY REMOVE THE, THE, UH, SIDEWALK AND THEN ADDED THE PAVER OR THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, STAFF SIM SIMPLY, UM, WRITES THE REQUEST AND RECOMMENDATION AS THE WORK, UH, HASN'T BEEN DONE AND IS BEING REQUESTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, IF THE APPLICANT ACCEPTS THE, WELL, THEY ACCEPT AND THEY, I MEAN, THEY, THEY ACCEPT THE LANDSCAPING STIPULATION. 
          THEY WANT TO DISCUSS THE SIDEWALK. 
          YEAH. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS IN THIS CASE? SO JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, THE APPLICANT WE'RE ON THE PHONE WITH THE APPLICANT IN THE HALLWAY. 
          THEY SAY THEY'RE ON THE CALL. 
          I DON'T SEE THEM ON THE LIST. 
          AND SO WE'RE TRYING 
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TO, WE SHARE THE LINK WITH THEM SO THEY CAN HOPEFULLY JOIN US. 
          AND JOHN IS NOT EVEN HERE. 
          MR. CHAIR, CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? THERE IT GOES. 
          SIX O'CLOCK, RIGHT? YES. 
          ALMOST DONE. 
          YES. 
          FIVE MINUTE RECESS. 
          WE'RE ALMOST DONE, EDWARD. 
          OKAY, PAT, I THINK WE'VE RESOLVED IT. 
          DID YOU TURN OFF YOUR LIVE STREAM? I THINK I DID. 
          , IS THAT BETTER? YES. 
          I'M SCARED TO SAY YES, BUT I THINK IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          OH BOY. 
          NOW KATIE ASKED ME FOR MY SISTER'S NUMBER. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF SHE GOT IT OR NOT. 
          I, I SEE. 
          SO WE'VE LINKED THEM IN. 
          KATIE, ARE YOU THERE? SO RACHEL, YOU HAVE THE CODE PHONE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE ON YOUR END. 
          STAR SIX. 
          HELLO? THERE'S NO ONE OVER THERE . 
          OH, NO ONE. 
          I HOPE THE PERSON OKAY. 
          RACHEL, I THINK YOU'RE THERE. 
          OR WHO DO I HAVE ON THE CODE PHONE? THAT WOULD BE MY SISTER, ANNIE BLANCO AND MY MOTHER ANNA GARZA. 
          OKAY, I THINK WE HAVE EVERYONE THEN. 
          UM, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD. 
          OH, WE'RE LIVE AGAIN. 
          SO WE'RE RECONVENING ON ITEM. 
          WHAT ITEM IS THIS? THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 29 EDWARD TO 18 DELAWARE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO EDWARD HAS READ THE, DO COMMISSIONERS NEED HIM TO REPEAT THE RECOMMENDATION OR ARE WE GOOD? GOOD. 
          I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD. 
          UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU HAVE AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER ONE, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YES. 
          THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE, UH, THE, UH, GREENERY IN THE YARD. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          YES, WE DO AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU DID WANT TO, UH, TALK TO US ABOUT THE SIDEWALK, SO, UH, PLEASE PROCEED. 
          YES. 
          MY NAME IS PAT GARZA HEMAN, AND I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY MOTHER, ALTHOUGH SHE WILL SPEAK AS WELL. 
          SHE LIVES AT 2 1 8 DELAWARE STREET HAS LIVED THERE 63 YEARS. 
          UH, THE MAIN PURPOSE OF OF REDOING HER WALKWAY WAS MAINLY SAFETY AND CONCERNS. 
          MY MOTHER HAS FALLEN AND WE'VE HAD OTHER PEOPLE FALL AS WELL. 
          THE WALKWAY WAS NOT WALKABLE AT ALL. 
          IT WAS, UM, IT WAS, UH, BROKEN. 
          AND UM, WE BASICALLY HIRED, THAT WAS MY MOM, BUT LET ME FINISH. 
          UM, WE HIRED A CONTRACTOR AND HE DID IT FOR US. 
          UM, WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFICULTIES WITH HIM, BUT TO BE HONEST, WE NEVER HAD DETAILS OR SPECIFICATIONS FROM THE CITY. 
          UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OTHER PEOPLE HAD DONE ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, WHAT WE DID, WE FELT THAT WE BEAUTIFIED THE HOUSE AND BEAUTIFIED THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALLY COULD NOT UNDERSTAND, 
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YOU KNOW, WHY WE WERE, UM, ASKED, UH, YOU KNOW, WHY WE TOOK DOWN SOMETHING THAT WAS BROKEN. 
          UM, OUR MAIN CONCERN IS THAT, AGAIN, MY MOM IS 63 YEARS OLD. 
          SHE CANNOT AFFORD, I'M, I'M SORRY, MY MOTHER IS 87 YEARS OLD. 
          SHE'S LIVED THERE 63 YEARS AND SHE CANNOT AFFORD TO PUT IN A CONCRETE WALKWAY. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A FINANCIAL, UH, ISSUE WITH HER AT THIS POINT. 
          HELLO? UM, YES. 
          DO ANY OF THE OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS WISH TO SPEAK? YES. 
          MY, MY MOTHER YES, IS, IS ON THE LINE AND SHE WISHES TO SPEAK AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          HI, MY NAME IS ANNIE BLANCO AND, UH, I AM THE OTHER DAUGHTER AND MY MOTHER ANNA GARZA'S HERE. 
          SO MY MOTHER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. 
          YES. 
          WHAT, EXCUSE MY ENGLISH, WHAT I WANNA SAY IS I NEVER USE MY FRONT DOOR BECAUSE THE, THE SIDEWALK WAS OFFERED. 
          I, UH, FALL DOWN TWICE AND I HAD SURGERY AND MY TWO NIECE. 
          SO I REALLY WAS SCARED. 
          THAT'S WHY I DECIDE TO FIX IT. 
          AND THEN NOW I WANT TO TRY TO SELL THE H HOUSE. 
          THAT'S WHY I FIXED IT LIKE THAT. 
          AND I REALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY DON'T WANT ME TO DIFFERENT TIRE. 
          SO THE, THE ISSUE WAS THAT THE, THE WALKWAY WAS CRACKED. 
          UM, ARE ARE, OH, OUR, OUR SIDEWALKS IN THE, IN THE AREA HAVE NEVER BEEN REPAIRED. 
          UH, AT ONE POINT BACK IN THE 1990S, I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I MEAN, WE HAD MONIES FOR THE SIDEWALKS, BUT THAT WAS GIVEN TO A DIFFERENT DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY WERE ISSUES, THEY HAD ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE. 
          SO BEING THAT, THAT OUR, OUR SIDEWALKS HAVE NOT BEEN DONE. 
          OUR, OUR WALKWAY ITSELF WAS REALLY BAD. 
          MY, MY AND MY MOTHER NEVER, OR BETTER YET, WE'VE NEVER USED THE FRONT DOOR BECAUSE OF THAT FACT. 
          BECAUSE YOU WOULD TRIP AND YOU WOULD FALL AND, AND WE HAD SOME VISITORS COME OUT TOO, AND THEY ALSO FELL. 
          I MEAN, THAT IN ADDITION WOULD BE A LIABILITY. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MY MOTHER DECIDED TO FIX THIS TO BEAUTIFY THE FRONT LAWN AND, AND THE WALKWAY AND MAKE IT DECENT FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO COME IN THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR. 
          THAT'S WHY SHE DID THAT. 
          UM, I MEAN, WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE WERE OTHER NEIGHBORS, OTHER HOUSES IN THE LA BACA NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ALSO DID SOMETHING SIMILAR TO US. 
          UH, WE SUBMITTED PICTURES BECAUSE THERE WAS HOUSES ON FLORIDA, ON CAROLINA, ON ON DIVINE AND ON LAVACCA THEMSELVES, WHERE THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING CIVIL, SIMILAR OR, UH, SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT CLOSE TO WHAT WE DID. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I LIVED HERE FOR 64 YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE CITY NEVER, NEVER FIX THE SIDEWALK. 
          IT STILL IN THE SAME, LIKE WHEN I BUY THE HOUSE. 
          YOU HAVE AN IDEA. 
          I'M 87, 7 YEARS OLD. 
          I COME AND KEEP 22. 
          I HAVE ONE. 
          OKAY, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, I HEAR COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE SIDEWALK AND I THINK THAT'S THE SIDEWALK. 
          IT'S PARALLEL TO THE STREET, BUT WHAT'S AN ISSUE HERE IS THE WALKWAY, THE PRIVATE WALKWAY TO THE FRONT DOOR. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES, SIR. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE, BUT THE ALSO THE ISSUE WAS THE SAME. 
          THE WALKWAY WAS IN THE SAME CONDITION AS THE SIDEWALKS WERE THERE, , WHICH WERE CRACKED. 
          AND WERE ANY ALTERATIONS MADE TO THE SIDEWALK, THE CONCRETE PATH THAT PARALLELS THE STREET? NOT TO STAFF'S KNOWLEDGE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY 
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WERE NOT, NO SIR. 
          THE ONLY, THE ONLY WORK WAS DONE ON THE WALKWAY. 
          NOT NOT ANYTHING ON THE SIDEWALKS, INCLUDING THAT PIECE BY THE STREET. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN SEE IT. 
          NOTHING BY THE STREET. 
          NO, SIR. 
          SO, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT CONCRETE WALKWAYS, PRIVATE WALKWAYS, UH, EXPERIENCE HEAVING OR BECOME UNEVEN OR BREAK THE GUIDELINES ARE REALLY, REALLY DIRECT US IN A CLEAR WAY THAT, UH, THOSE SHOULD BE REPAIRED. 
          AND WHAT WE MEAN BY REPAIRED IN MANY CASES IS ACTUALLY REPLACED IN KIND, MEANING THESE SIDEWALKS NEED TO BE REPLACED, UM, IF THEY EXPERIENCE KIND OF HEAVING AND CHANGE IT TO BE REPLACED IN THE SAME WAY THAT THEY WERE AND NOT, UH, KIND OF TRANSFORMED INTO A NEW CONDITION. 
          AND YOU DID LIST OFF A NUMBER OF ADDRESSES, SOME OF WHICH I'M AWARE ARE COMPLIANCE CASES, UH, DID NOT, DID NOT RECEIVE PERMISSION TO ALTER THEIR WALKWAYS THE WAY THEY DID AND ARE PROBABLY IN OUR SYSTEM. 
          I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT YOU MENTIONED, IF THAT'S THE CASE. 
          SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THERE'S, UH, MAYBE A FINANCIAL SITUATION HERE AND, UH, THAT MAYBE THERE WASN'T AN AWARENESS OF WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE OR NOT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CAN BE A TOUGH, TOUGH SPOT. 
          BUT I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT. 
          AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM A COUPLE OF MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO I'LL CONCLUDE THERE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. 
          UM, I, I CON CONCUR WITH THAT AND I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF WHAT WAS PUT IN, IN PLACE HERE. 
          I MEAN, CLEARLY IF THE CONCRETE IS HEATING AND AND CRACKING, YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO, TO WANT TO HAVE THAT REPLACED. 
          BUT AS, UM, COMMISSIONER FISH SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA REPLACE IT IN KIND IN, IN THIS, UH, WHAT IS HERE THAT I'M SEEING ON THE SCREEN. 
          I, I HAVE A, A MOTHER-IN-LAW WHO HAS SOME PHYSICAL IMPAIRMENTS AND SHE WOULD JUST FALL FLAT ON HER FACE TRYING TO GET ACROSS THIS. 
          SO I, I HAVE JUST SOME SAFETY CONCERNS THAT THE NEW CONDITION IS GENERATED. 
          UM, AND I, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE OWNER THINK ABOUT, UH, ADDRESSING THIS, PERHAPS GOING BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR AND FINDING SOME REDRESS FOR, UH, WHAT HAS OCCURRED HERE BECAUSE, UM, THIS, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T ACCEPT IT. 
          FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT WELL PLACED IN THERE. 
          THE GRAVEL WOULD BE A TRIPPING HAZARD. 
          UM, AND ALL THESE ARE CONCERNS THAT GO WELL BEYOND JUST THE, THE AESTHETICS, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A SAFE CONDITION. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          IS THE ORIGINAL CONCRETE WALKWAY STILL THERE? THE OTHER, WELL IS IT UNDERNEATH? NO, IT IS NOT. 
          SO THE CONTRACTOR REMOVED ALL THE OLD CONCRETE? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S HARD WORK. 
          . 
          SO ELEVATOR WAS REMOVED AND THEN FILLED WITH GRAVEL. 
          'CAUSE THOSE ARE LIKE REALLY THICK PIECES OF CONCRETE. 
          YES. 
          THOSE ARE PAVERS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I MEAN, I AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, BOTH COMMISSIONER FISH AND, AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ESPECIALLY CARPENTER, THERE'S NO SAFETY. 
          I'M SORRY, BUT THIS, THIS, THIS VERSION OF IT IS LESS SAFE THAN WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE. 
          UM, I'LL BE WILLING TO DO A D R C IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, BUT I I DO ALSO THINK STAFF HAS THIS ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY, WHAT IS A D R C? A D R C IS A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND DISCUSS WITH YOU WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, WHAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AS A REPLACEMENT? SO IT'D BE AN ONSITE VISIT WITH SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          UM, ON THIS ONE, FOR ME, TOUGHEST ONE PROBABLY OF THE DAY. 
          THE LAST ONE, RIGHT? THE LAST ONE'S THE TOUGHEST ONE. 
          UM, A LOT OF NUANCES TO THIS CONVERSATION. 
          UM, I THINK SAFETY IS BEYOND OUR PURVIEW, BUT, AND YOU GUYS KNOW ME, I I USUALLY ERR TOWARDS THE, THE, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT, UM, I, I CAN'T GET THERE ON THIS ONE EITHER. 
          IT, I'M USUALLY MORE, WHEN IT'S SOMETHING PERMANENT, I, I USUALLY KIND OF, UH, TEND TO THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN WOULD BE WHEN IT'S SOMETHING VERY 
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MUCH PERMANENT. 
          SO THIS IS SOMETHING MOVABLE AND CAN BE REMOVED, BUT, UM, I, I AGREE WITH THE, WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH REGARD TO THE CON THE, THE ACTUAL CONCRETE SIDEWALK, UM, COMPOSITION. 
          YEAH, I, I CONCUR THAT CHAIRMAN, THAT SAFETY IS NOT OUR, OUR PURVIEW, BUT WHEN THAT IS PRESENTED AS THE, THE MOTIVATING FACTOR BEHIND WHY IT WAS REPLACED, I, I HAVE TO COUNTER WITH CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND IT IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT, AND THAT'S WHY IT IS A HARD CASE FOR US. 
          WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, WE GET THAT, BUT UM, I HAVE TO SUPPORT STAFF ON THIS. 
          I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS CORRECT. 
          SO I, I MOVE, UM, FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REMOVAL OF THE TURF, THE NATURAL, UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, AS THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY, UH, AGREED TO AND DENIAL FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND QUESTION, GIBBS, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? UH, WELL I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP MIGHT BE A TEMPORARY SITUATION IF THE HOUSE IS ON THE MARKET AND WILL BE SOLVED RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MAY, MAY I, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, I WAS JUST, UH, WONDERING HOW WE WERE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE INFORMATION ON THE RULES AND REGULATION WHEN MY MOTHER'S LIVED THERE FOR 63 YEARS AND SHE'S NEVER RECEIVED ANY KIND OF INFORMATION. 
          AND IF WE'RE LOOKING AS TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND NO ONE SEEMS TO BE FOLLOWING ANY KIND OF GUIDELINES, UM, THAT'S REALLY A DIFFICULT THING FOR US TO UNDERSTAND. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO, YES, SIR. 
          A SUGGESTION. 
          SO, SO ONE OF THE, THERE THERE ARE MANY RULES AND REGULATIONS, UH, THAT RELATE TO ZONING THAT RELATE TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          AND THE MOST PRUDENT WAY FORWARD TO MAKE ALTERATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN A, IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH WE HAVE QUITE A FEW, UM, IS TO PULL A PERMIT BEFORE THE WORK IS DONE. 
          UH, THE WORK IS, IS, IS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY. 
          IT'S DESCRIBED, IT'S DESCRIBED MAYBE THROUGH SOME SKETCHES, IT'S REVIEWED BY STAFF AND THE RELEVANT CITY OFFICIALS REVIEW IT AND THAT THERE'S A, AN ISSUE OR SOMETHING IS OUT OF LINE WITH, WITH THE CITY ORDINANCES, THEN IT CAN BECOME KNOWN BEFORE THE WORK IS DONE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, I KNOW STAFF WORKS REALLY HARD TO REACH OUT TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND, UH, PARTICULARLY OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO MORE OF. 
          SO I I I TAKE YOUR POINT, I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 
          DOING A PERMIT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF MAKING ALTERATIONS LEND PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT'S USUALLY WHERE THESE THINGS BECOME. 
          NOW WE DID HIRE CONTRACTOR AND WE JUST ASSUMED HE HAD DONE HIS DUE DILIGENCE AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, WE RAN INTO ISSUES. 
          UM, AND, AND WITH REGARD TO, UM, THE OTHER COMMENT THAT WAS MADE THAT IF THE HOUSE IS FOR SALE, THEN, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BE COVERED FINANCIALLY WITH THE SALE OF THE HOUSE, BUT OF COURSE THE HOUSE HAS NOT SOLD. 
          AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE, IF THE HOUSE WERE UNDER CONTRACT, THEN PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A SOLUTION. 
          BUT AT THIS STAGE, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, WITH MY MOTHER BEING ON A FIXED INCOME, THAT AFFORDABILITY IS REALLY A MAJOR CONCERN. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, IF I MAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IS, IS, IS THE INTENTION THAT THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE PUT ON THE MARKET OR IS CURRENTLY ON THE MARKET? YES, IT IS. 
          IT'S BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR ALMOST FOUR MONTHS. 
          IT'S FOUR MONTHS. 
          SO IN THESE COMPLIANCE CASES, I THINK THAT THE EXPECTATION WHEN THERE'S A RULING IS THAT THERE'S A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE ISSUE CAN BE REDRESSED, UM, GOING, GOING TO OFFER THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE IN SECONDED, BUT, UH, PETITIONER CARPENTER MAY NOT, MAY NOT AGREE TO INCORPORATE FINLAY AMENDMENT, BUT I WOULD OFFER THE AMENDMENT THAT THE APPLICANT BE GIVEN 90 DAYS 
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FOR THREE MONTHS, UM, TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. 
          AND IF, IF THERE'S NOT MOVEMENT ON THE HOUSE THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD COME BACK AND REQUEST AN ADDITIONAL THREE MONTHS BEFORE, UH, THE REPAIRS NEED TO BE COMPLETED. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO, TO ENTERTAIN COMMISSIONER APPROPRIATELY? I'M SORRY, YOU CUT OUT. 
          SO YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US THREE MONTHS TO DEAL TO WORK WITH D R C AND THEN IF THE HOUSE IS NOT SOLD, THEN WHAT WAS THE OTHER PART? I'M SORRY, I, I COULD NOT HEAR THE REST, BUT FORGIVE ME, I'M QUITE A DISTANCE AWAYS. 
          I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT HAVING A, A ADDING, ADDING, UH, A STIPULATION THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          CARPENTER GOT THE MIC COMING THROUGH IN THERE. 
          SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BECAUSE USUALLY, I MEAN THERE, THESE AREN'T TIME SPECIFIC, BUT WE DO EXPECT COMPLIANCE TO OCCUR WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UM, MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF THIS JUST GETS TRANSFERRED TO THE NE NEXT OWNER AND UM, THEN THAT OWNER HAS NO OBLIGATION TO CORRECT THIS, UM, THIS VIOLATION. 
          UM, SO COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, PLEASE LET ME ASK COMMISSIONER FISH A QUESTION ABOUT HIS, HIS, UH, HIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT. 
          WHAT COULD YOU PLEASE ARTICULATE IT AGAIN? AND, AND I APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE YOU WERE BREAKING IN AND OUT. 
          I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO. 
          GIVEN, GIVEN THAT THAT THERE, THE, THE DIRECT COURSE OF ACTION HERE'S CREATING SOME STRESS, UM, I THINK, UH, A TIME PERIOD THAT TO HAVE IT REPAIRED MAY GIVE THE APPLICANT SOME COMFORT. 
          THESE THINGS USUALLY ARE MEASURED IN REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME. 
          GIVEN THAT THIS IS ON THE MARKET, UH, I WOULD SUGGEST STRONGLY TO THE APPLICANT THAT THE REPAIRS BE DONE BEFORE ANY CLOSING ON THE HOUSE BECAUSE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE LIABLE FOR PASSING THIS ON AND NOT REPAIRING IT. 
          BUT IT MIGHT GIVE THE APPLICANT A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FINANCIALLY TO RECTIFY THE ISSUE HIGHER OR DOOR DURING THE SALE OF THE HOUSE. 
          THAT WAS MY REF, JUST TO GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION ON HOW QUICKLY THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT THE WISEST COURSE OF ACTION. 
          SO I'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU. 
          I'LL AMEND MY, UH, MY OWN MOTION TO, TO STATE THAT, UH, THERE'S A 30 DAY, UM, SORRY, A THREE MONTH, UH, PERIOD FOR WHICH TO CORRECT THE CONDITION PENDING SALE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND SHOULD THE PROPERTY COME UNDER CONTRACT, UM, THE SELLER SHOULD MAKE THIS ISSUE AWARE TO THE BUYER. 
          AND PERHAPS, AND I'LL, I'LL END IT AT THAT A SECOND. 
          CONCUR, WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THIS? UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          DO YOU CONCUR? I DO CONCUR, YES, SIR. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE FISH ONE MORE TIME. 
          THUMBS UP. 
          THUMBS UP. 
          THERE IS A THUMBS UP. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA SIERRA'S PASS. 
          UM, SAVINA, AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          OLA, I'M GONNA SIT THIS ONE OUT. 
          EPSTEIN. 
          SO MADAN IS ABSENT. 
          CARPENTER A GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          BILLMAN IS ABSENT. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          THEO IS ABSENT. 
          AND MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UH, IS THERE SOME WAY THAT THIS INFORMATION CAN BE UM, ON ON A DEEDED? ON A DEEDED? YES. 
          OR AT LEAST DELIVERED TO THE REALTOR WHO IS, UH, THE LISTING REALTOR AS A CONDITION? WE'VE DONE BOTH OF THOSE THINGS IN THE PAST FOR, FOR OTHER CASES. 
          SO YEAH, WE CAN DO THOSE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION THAT, THAT'S WHERE MY ABSTENTION WAS. 
          SO COREY, THIS COULD BE LIKE DEEDED RESTRICTED AFTER THE FACT. 
          ESSENTIALLY IT'S NOT A DEEDED RESTRICTION, BASICALLY IT'S A NOTICE THAT WE FILE WITH THE COUNTY CLERK AND SO 
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THAT IT DOES SHOW UP, UM, WHEN YOU PULL THE DEEDED RECORDS REPORT. 
          A DEEDED RECORD. 
          OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN MAY I ASK A QUESTION FOR, FOR FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION? YES MA'AM. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          SO BASICALLY YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US THREE MONTHS TO WORK, UM, WITH D R C ON ANOTHER POSSIBILITY TO RESOLVE THIS. 
          YOU WOULD BE WORKING WITH, UH, JUST YEAH. 
          HISTORIC STAFF. 
          THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT REFERRING THIS ITEM TO THE D R C COMMITTEE. 
          UM, BUT THE ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN JUST NOW WAS DENIAL OF THE REPLACEMENT. 
          AND SO THERE'S A REQUIREMENT NOW TO GO BACK AND RESTORE THE CONCRETE CONDITION. 
          AND SO YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH STAFF ON COMPLIANCE TO DO THAT AND WE WILL, WE'LL WORK OUT A REASONABLE TIMELINE. 
          UM, AND THAT CAN BE BEFORE OR AFTER A CONTRACT ON THE PROPERTY. 
          IF, IF HAVING A CONTRACT IS HELPFUL TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD AND DO THAT, THEN WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE ON THAT. 
          UH, BUT WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE, AS THE COMMISSIONER STATED, THAT THIS ITEM ISN'T DEFERRED TO A, TO A NEW POTENTIAL OWNER IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          DO WE HAVE SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE, AYE. 
          DO WE APPROVE MINUTES? DID WE DO YEAH. 
          YES, MR. GIBBS? WE DID MINUTES AT THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          GOTCHA. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I DO REMEMBER. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE.
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