* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. HEAR YOU WE'RE GOOD. OH, [00:00:01] WE'RE GONNA START. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE OUR SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES STATEMENT. SO FOLKS, SOMEONE'S GONNA COME OUT RIGHT BEHIND YOU WITH THAT CURTAIN, THE GREAT AND POWERFUL LAWS. AND WE NEED TO NOT BLOCK THE ENTRYWAY. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. SO IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE DOORWAY, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT. IF YOU COULD WAIT IN THE LOBBY TILL YOUR ITEM IS CALLED, WE CAN DO THAT FOR YOU AS WELL. BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP EMERGENCY ACCESS OPEN. WELL, I WANNA START, THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS TO INFORM THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH INTERPRETATION AVAILABLE. IF ANYONE NEEDS THESE SERVICES, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME TO THE INTERPRETER CABIN. THANK YOU. AND THE INTERPRETER CABIN IS RIGHT BEHIND THAT CURTAIN. ALRIGHT, UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I SEE EVERYONE IS WEARING MASKS. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO MASK MANDATE. SO IF YOU ARE IN THIS ROOM AND YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING ACTIVELY AT THE PODIUM OR AT ONE OF THESE MICROPHONES, PLEASE WEAR A MASK. ALRIGHT. MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMANTE AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER. [Call to Order] I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. I LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL, VOTE BY, I'M SORRY, EXCUSE ME. ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT. MARCO BARROS. I REPRESENT DISTRICT NINE TAYLOR WATSON. I REPRESENT DISTRICT TWO, CHARLES FUENTES OF DISTRICT THREE, SUMMER GREATHOUSE, DISTRICT ONE, ROB SIPES, DISTRICT SEVEN, KEN HUIT, DISTRICT SIX, FRANCINE ROMERO, DISTRICT EIGHT CAME AT DISTRICT FOUR AND COMMISSIONER WHITE IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. YES, MARK WHITE. DISTRICT 10. AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL PLEASE. GAIL MCDANIEL MAYOR STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR STANDS. REPUBLIC STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PER ALL. ALRIGHT, PRIOR TO COMMENCING OUR HEARING, I WOULD LIKE OUR STAFF TO REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF IF YOU WOULD, BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREAS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING, YOU WILL BE CALLED IN ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. YOU WILL BE INFORMED THAT THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP BY THIS SOUND RIGHT HERE. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THE SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES. THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY WITHDRAWN OR POSTPONED ITEMS, BUT STAFF WOULD YOU CONFIRM THAT PLEASE? THAT IS CORRECT SIR. ALRIGHT. UM, WE HAD A LITTLE TECHNICAL ISSUE EARLIER TODAY, SO WE'RE GONNA DO SOME BUSINESS THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE DONE IN WORK SESSION RIGHT NOW. UH, SO THIS MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN NORMAL, BUT PLEASE BEAR WITH US COMMISSIONERS. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE MOVED FROM COMBINED? SORRY. UM, OKAY, LET'S GO OVER THE ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE. EXCUSE ME. SO, UH, THE ITEMS THAT I HAVE THAT WERE MOVED TO INDIVIDUAL ARE ITEM SIX, EIGHT AND 11. AND ITEM NUMBER [00:05:01] 23, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ON COMBINED HEARING ONE ARE ITEMS 12, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21 AND 22. ALRIGHT. OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. EXCUSE ME. AND THEN FOR CONTINUANCES WE HAVE ITEMS 1, 5, 9, 10, AND 17. AND THEN ON INDIVIDUAL IT WILL BE THOSE ITEMS I MENTIONED BEFORE. ITEM 6, 8, 11, AND 23 IN ADDITION TO ITEMS 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, AND 13. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONERS, GIVEN THAT AND THE REMAINING ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE OR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE MOVED TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER BARTOS? NO. COMMISSIONER WATSON? NONE. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? NO. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? NO. UH, COMMISSIONER HUI? NOPE. UH, COMMISSIONER ROME? NO. UH, COMMISSIONER KAMATH? UH, YEAH. UM, COMMISSIONER CAME NUMBER FIVE HAS BEEN MOVED TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS NOW COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO TO MAKE THINGS CONFUSING, UH, SINCE WE NO LONGER HAVE A RECUSAL, IT'S NOT ON INDIVIDUAL. UM, SO IT IS CURRENTLY GOING TO ON THE LIST OF CONTINUANCES, GIVEN THAT INFORMATION. COMMISSIONER KAMATH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS TO REMOVE FROM INDIVIDUAL? CONSIDER, I'M SORRY TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. NO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER WHITE, ANY ANY ITEMS TO BE MOVED TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? NO. SEEING NONE. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, SAME QUESTION. NO. NO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, [Items 12, 14 - 16, & 18 - 22] STAFF, IF WE COULD PLEASE READ THE CURRENT COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE ITEMS INTO THE RECORD. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM O TWO A A TWO O D TO C ONE A H O D LOCATED AT 2 91 EMPORIA BOULEVARD. THERE WERE 18 NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. NO RESPONSE FROM TERRELL HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THERE WERE SEVEN NOTICES RECEIVED IN FAVOR OUTSIDE 200 FEET AS WELL. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE AND C TWO AND A TO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 2200 EAST HOUSTON STREET, THERE WERE 43 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM JEFFERSON HEIGHT, HARVARD PLACE, EAST LAWN OR DIG DITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR A H O D TO R FOUR C D A H O D WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 42 19 TILLMAN. THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM DONALDSON TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO I D Z ONE WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME AND, AND PERMITTING A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND TWO DWELLING UNITS. THERE IS AN AMENDED SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND IS RECORDED INTO THE RECORD. THIS IS LOCATED AT EIGHT 20 EAST EUCLID AVENUE. THERE WERE 39 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND TOBIN HILL IS IN SUPPORT. ONE NOTICE WAS ALSO RECEIVED IN FAVOR OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA. ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM L A H O D TO PUD MF 18 A H O D LOCATED IN THE 11,000 BLOCK OF SOUTH HI, HIGHWAY 180 1. THERE WERE 12 NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO I ONE. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 20,000 BLOCK OF EAGLE FORD WAY. THERE WERE FIVE NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM [00:10:01] C THREE A H O D TO I D Z THREE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED IN MF 33 AND C THREE. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 7,900 BLOCK OF SOUTH NEW BRAUNFELS AVENUE. THERE WERE FOUR NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 21 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO R FIVE HL LOCATED AT 89 11 THROUGH 89 31 CALLAHAN ROAD. THERE WERE 20 NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM VANCE JACKSON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 22 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO MF 33. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 2 67 50 BULVERDE ROAD. THERE WERE TWO NOTICES MAILED. NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING? NUMBER ONE, I WILL DOUBLE CHECK REALLY QUICKLY. IT DOES NOT APPEAR SO. VERY GOOD. UH, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEMS NUMBER 12 14 15 16, 18, 19, 20, 21 AND 22. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THE MOTION. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE ITEMS AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER SIPES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER AB BARROS. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT. LEFT. SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. REMOTE COMMISSIONERS SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YEAH. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CHAIR BUSTAMONTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF YOU WERE PRESENT FOR THOSE ITEMS AND THOSE ITEMS ALONE, YOU ALL MAY GIVE YOUR SEATS TO SOMEONE WHO NEEDS 'EM. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU AND YOUR PROJECTS. ALRIGHT, IF WE CAN MOVE ON NOW [Items 1, 5, & 17] TO THE CONTINUANCE HEARING. I'M NOT GONNA NUMBER 'EM ANYMORE, SIR. IF I COULD READ THE ONES THAT CAN BE GROUPED TOGETHER, THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WOULD YOUR PERMISSION WOULD BE GREAT. PLEASE DO. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO C TWO C D SS WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME AND A CONDITIONAL USE AND SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR WAREHOUSING LOCATED AT 1401. THE 14, WELL I CAN'T READ THAT AT ALL. 14. 714,000 . THANK YOU. 14,700 TRADESMAN DRIVE. THERE WERE 96 NOTICES MAILED. NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR. SIX. RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE WOODS OF SHAVANO COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO C D ALL OVER, UH, OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR ANIMAL AND PET SERVICES. OUTDOOR TRAINING, BOARDING RUNS, PENS OR PADDOCKS PERMITTED. LOCATED AT EIGHT 19 NEW LAREDO HIGHWAY. THERE WERE 31 NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM QUINTANA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM MF 33 TO C THREE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 40 36 COLLIBRA ROAD. THERE WERE 31 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION. AND COLLIBRA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. AND SO ITEMS ONE, FIVE AND 17 ARE SEEKING CONTINUANCES TO NOVEMBER THE 16TH. THAT'S TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE A MOTION MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE FOR THE FOLLOWING CASES TO THE NOVEMBER 16TH MEETING. ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, NUMBER FIVE, AND NUMBER 17. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO NOVEMBER 16TH BY COMMISSIONER S SIPES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES IS WHAT I HEARD. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ANY [00:15:01] DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER REMOTE. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO NOVEMBER 16TH. ITEMS 1 5 17. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CHAIR ANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE. ALRIGHT, STAFF, IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE CONTINUANCE HEARING DOCKET? YES SIR. I'M GONNA GO TO, UH, I'M GONNA JUMP OVER ITEM NUMBER NINE 'CAUSE IT HAS SOME SPEAKERS AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT ONE. SO ITEM NUMBER 10. HOLD ON. FOR ANY OF THOSE THAT WERE HERE, FOR THOSE LAST, IF, IF Y'ALL, UM, Y DON'T HAVE TO STAY FOR THE REST, BUT I NEED TO MAKE ROOM. SO IF THERE'S AN EMPTY SEAT NEXT TO YOU, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. BE THERE APPEARS TO BE AN EMPTY SEAT OVER HERE AND ONE OVER HERE. RIGHT. SO, SO IF THOSE STANDING AT THE WALL COULD FIND A SEAT AND THOSE IN THE, IN, IN THE CENTER, MR. ABRAMS OR I WAS GONNA SEE IF SHE WANTED A SEAT. AND MR. ABRAMS, THERE IS ANOTHER SEAT OVER HERE STILL, I BELIEVE. THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU. I CAN SEE THAT ONE VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. IF [10. (Continued from 10/19/2021) ZONING CASE Z202110700248 (Council District 8)] WE CAN MOVE ON NOW TO, I BELIEVE ITEM NUMBER 10. THANK YOU. ON THE YES, SIR. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO READ ZONE FROM C THREE TO M X D LOCATED AT 89 87 19 SBACK ROAD. THERE WERE SEVEN NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THIS ITEM IS SEEKING A CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER THE SEVENTH. ALRIGHT. UH, ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE. UH, DR. ROMERO. UH, YEAH. I MOVE, UH, FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE DECEMBER 7TH MEETING FOR ITEM NUMBER 10. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCDANIEL. OKAY, I'M GONNA TAKE, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. COMMISSIONER OTTOS. IT'S NOT PERSONAL. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER 7TH BY DR. ROMERO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER LEFT. NO. COMMISSIONER'S RIGHT. NO COMMISSIONER'S. REMOTE. NO. ALRIGHT. ROLL CALL VOTE CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER 7TH FOR ITEM NUMBER 10. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BUSTAMANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE. ALRIGHT. UM, IF WE [9. (Continued from 10/19/2021) ZONING CASE Z202110700247 (Council District 1)] COULD NOW MOVE ON TO OUR LAST ITEM ON THE CONTINUANCE DOCKET, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ITEM NUMBER NINE. YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO MF 18. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 10 23 AGIR AVENUE. THERE WERE 23 NOTICES MAILED. THERE WERE TWO RECEIVED IN FAVOR, FIVE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. UH, THIS ITEM SEEKS A CONTINUANCE TO NOVEMBER THE 16TH. AND WE DO HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND A VOICEMAIL. VERY GOOD. UH, IF WE COULD CALL THE FIRST INDIVIDUAL UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE. MARK SPIELMAN PLEASE. MR. SPIELMAN, I THINK YOU KNOW THE DRILL, BUT JUST IN CASE, PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN, UH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS MARK SPIELMAN. I'M WITH, UH, BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I LIVE AT 900 WEST WOODLAWN AVENUE. AND, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WISHES TO SAY THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, OPPOSED TO THIS CHANGE, IT SEEMS LIKE SPOT ZONING AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE IN OUR LARGE AREA REZONING PROJECT. WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF THIS TYPE OF ZONING THAT HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, ALLOWED, UH, UH, PROBLEMS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE PAST AND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT AT THIS MOMENT. THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION AND IS DEFINITELY AGAINST WHAT, UH, WE'RE WORKING TOWARD IN MAKING THINGS PREDICTABLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT, UH, PEOPLE ON THE CORRIDORS KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND PEOPLE IN THE AREAS OF LOW DENSITY ALSO KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. SPIELMAN. THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL PLEASE. JACK M FINGER. MR. FINGER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE APPROACH, SAY YOUR [00:20:01] NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US YOUR POSITION ON THIS ZONING REQUEST. WELL, MR. CHAIR, OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS, THIS BOARD FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS JACK M FINGER AND I LIVE AT 9 0 1 WEST MULBERRY AVENUE NEAR THE AREA. AND YES, I AM OPPOSED TO THIS, THIS ITEM, BUT, UH, BUT BEFORE I SPEAK ON THAT, I, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU'VE GOT AN EVEN DEEPER PROBLEM HERE. YOUR PROCESS. A MOMENT AGO, YOU ALLOWED YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, UH, BOARD HERE TO, UH, VOTE IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION ON THIS BEFORE WE, THE TESTIMONY PEOPLE HAD A CHANCE TO PRESENT TO YOU. YES. YOU'RE GONNA SAY, JACK, IT'S OKAY. IT'S BEING CONTINUED. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY. WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TODAY. UH, MR. FINGER, I DO HAVE ONE FAIRLY IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE HERE. WE HAVE NOT YET VOTED ON THIS ITEM. WELL, FROM WHAT I COULD SEE, YOU WERE SUGGESTING A CONTINUANCE FOR THIS AND YOU DID VOTE ON THAT. WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON IT. WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK AS WELL AS THE VOICEMAIL. WELL, I THEN I STAND CORRECTED, SIR, BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU HAD MADE YOUR DECISION BEFORE WE HAD OFFERED OUR TESTIMONY. NO, SIR. OUR PROCESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HEAR FROM THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK. IF IN THOSE CASES WHERE THERE ARE NOT INDIVIDUALS, WE MIGHT HAVE A VOTE WITHOUT INDIVIDUAL INPUT. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, OR SORRY, NOT FOR THE MOST PART, WE DO NOT VOTE WITHOUT HEARING FROM THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, SIR. WELL FINE. I'LL GET A CLARIFICATION ON THAT LAST ACTION THEN. SO ANYWAY, YES, I'M GLAD MR. SPIELMAN IS HERE TO PRESENT SOME OF THE POINTS. I TOO, UH, AM PART OF THAT ASSOCIATION AND THAT IS OPPOSED TO THIS. A LOT OF GOOD REASONS FOR IT. I MEAN, YOU HAVE RED FLAGS ALL OVER THE PLACE. , YOU HAD THE, THE, THE ZONING COMMISSION. NO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO LAST WEEK TO RECOMMEND DENIAL FOR IT. UH, I UNDERSTAND THIS ZONING STAFF HERE RECOMMENDS DENIAL. GOODNESS. YOU GOT, UM, TWO STRIKES AGAINST YOU RIGHT THERE. THE BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD SUGGESTED IT'S A BAD IDEA. WHY? THE DENSITY, THE WHOLE DENSITY ON THIS WHOLE THING HERE. I'M SORRY. IT'S, WE, WE HAVE A CERTAIN PLANET. WE'VE GONE, WE'VE JUMPED THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS TO DO THINGS RIGHT. AND NOW SOMEBODY SAYS, NO, I, I I'M ABOVE THAT. I THINK I CAN GET, GET DO SOMETHING ELSE HERE. WELL, WE, THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA, THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA, WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF ANY BAD DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE THAT BRING THIS FORWARD. PLEASE, I SAY DON'T JUST CONTINUE THIS, SAY NO TO IT OUTRIGHT. AND IF THE PERSON IS UNHAPPY WITH THAT, WELL, HE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK. YES, SIR. WE HAVE A LETTER. I BELIEVE, I KNOW CERTAINLY TO MISS GREATHOUSE AND IT PRO PROBABLY TO, TO THE REST OF YOU FOLKS THERE. IT, IT REALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT READ IN THE RECORD IF AT ALL POSSIBLE IF WE COULD GIVE MR. FINGER ONE MORE MINUTE. I TOOK SOME OF HIS TIME. THANK YOU. YES. ANYWAY, MISS, WE DO HAVE A LETTER. IT SPELLS OUT SOME OF THE POINTS I JUST MADE AND IF YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK, UH, THE LETTER, UH, MAY HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY YOU FOLKS ALREADY THERE. SO ANYWAY, I'LL HAVE MISS, I THINK IT'S MS. GREATHOUSE, UH, OFFER ANY, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT REGARD. AND, UH, ANY, UH, SPECIFICS ON THE LETTER THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE GROUP HAS MAILED IT TO THE PROPER PEOPLE THERE. THANK, THANK YOU MR. FINGER. UH, AND I BELIEVE WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE PRESENT IN THE ROOM, CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? BUT WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL, SIR, IF WE COULD PLAY, PLAY THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE. HI, THIS IS MIKE DEFIES. MY ADDRESS IS NINE 16 AGONE AVENUE 7 8 2 1 2. AND I'M CALLING REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 17. ZONING CASE SLASH FOUR IS 0 2 4 7. AND I AM CALLING WITH THE HOPES THAT YOU GUYS DO NOT APPROVE, UH, THIS CASE TO REZONE. UM, IT WOULD REALLY CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF OUR STREET. IT'S A VERY NARROW STREET WITH A LOT OF TRAFFIC ALREADY. AND ADDING NINE MORE UNITS, UH, WOULD FURTHER COMPLICATE JUST OUR ABILITY TO PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD WITH OUR KIDS. UM, IT ALSO JUST GOES AGAINST WHO WE ARE AS BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, WANTING TO KEEP IT MORE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CODE. SO WE HOPE YOU ALL LISTEN TO, UH, OUR INTENT TO [00:25:01] DENY THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND THERE ARE NO FURTHER, THERE'S NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS A COM UH, DISTRICT ONE CASE. SO THAT'S COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. SO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE TO YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER NINE TO THE NOVEMBER 16TH MEETING. AND JUST A, A QUICK COMMENT TO THE FOLKS WHO CAME OUT TO SPEAK. UM, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING OUT TO SPEAK AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE OPPOSED. HOWEVER, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE STILL CONVERSATIONS CONTINUING AND THERE'S A PRESENTATION NEXT WEEK AT THE BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING. AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS THE D THE APPLICANT AN ABIL THE ABILITY TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THIS CASE. SO WITH THAT SAID, THAT'S THE REASONING FOR MY MOTION. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE ON ITEM NUMBER NINE TO NOVEMBER 16TH. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER FUENTES. ALRIGHT, UH, THE MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO ITEM FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE TO NOVEMBER 16TH BY COMMISSIONER GR HOUSE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT REMOTE COMMISSIONERS. BRIEFLY, UH, MR. FINGER, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN REGARDING PROCEDURE. UH, WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE VOTING ON ITEMS, UH, THE EXCEPTION BEING CONSENT ITEMS. SO WE WANT THE BEST CASES POSSIBLE BEFORE US. THAT MEANS THE BEST PEOPLE OPPOSING IT, THE BEST PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR IT. AND THAT IS WHAT WE STRIVE FOR. AND THAT'S WHY I THINK COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS MOVING FOR A CONTINUANCE HERE AND THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING IT. ALRIGHT, MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE. NOVEMBER 16TH OF ITEM NUMBER NINE BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. IF Y'ALL WERE FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, UH, 1, 5, 9, 10, OR 17, I THINK MOST OF Y'ALL HAVE LEFT, BUT IF YOU ARE HERE ONLY FOR THOSE ITEMS, IF YOU COULD MAYBE MAKE YOUR SEATS AVAILABLE FOR OTHER FOLKS, I'D APPRECIATE IT. UH, IF YOU WANNA STAY AROUND YOU CAN, BUT IF YOU DON'T NEED TO BE HERE AND DON'T WANNA BE HERE, PLEASE LET SOMEONE WHO DOES WANNA BE HERE HAVE YOUR SEAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE ARE [2. ZONING CASE Z202110700145 ERZD (Council District 8)] MOVING ON TO THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. UM, STAFF, IF WE COULD CALL THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NUMBER TWO. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS REZONING FROM R SIX TO R THREE LOCATED AT 12 1 0 3 PEBBLE STREET. THERE ARE 14 NOTICES MAILED ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE WAS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. THE EXISTING R SIX ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. SAS STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE ZONING REQUESTS AS THE PROPOSED 47% IMPERVIOUS COVER EXCEEDS THE 30% ALLOWED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS SAS PRESENT OR SAS REPRESENTATIVE? NOT ALL OF THEM. ONE OF ONE OF TWO. MIKE ESCALANTE WITH SA A FOR PROTECTION AND EVALUATION. UH, WE, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE, UH, ZONING APPLICATION TO ALLOW, UH, FOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO BE BUILT AT 12 103 PEBBLE STREET. CURRENTLY THE VACANT LOT IS UNDEVELOPED WITH SOME NATIVE TREES REMAINING ON SITE. UM, NO PORTION OF THE SITE IS WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN AND NO SENSITIVE FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE, UH, NOR NOTED ON FILE. AFTER A REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN SAWS HAS ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS FOR THE FOLLOWING. THE PROPOSED 47% PER COVER EXCEEDS THE 30% ALLOWABLE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS PERMITTED IN THE WATER QUALITY ORDINANCE. THE PROPOSED 10 FOOT VEGETATIVE FILTER STRIP SHOWN TO BE LOCATED IN THE REAR PORTION OF THE LOTS DOESN'T MEET THE MINIMUM DIMENSION OF THE 15 FOOT FILTER STRIP REQUIREMENTS IN THE, UH, IN THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY TECHNICAL GUIDANCE MANUAL, UH, FOR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AS WELL AS THE DESIGN OF STORM WATER RUNOFF RETENTION STRUCTURES ON EACH LOT IN THE FILTER STRIP AREAS. THE T C Q REQUIRES ALL DEVELOPMENTS OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE WITH AN IMPER COVER. GREATER THAN 20% SHALL CAPTURE AND TREAT STORM STORM WATER RUNOFF TO PREVENT POLLUTION FROM ENTERING THE AQUIFER [00:30:01] AND TO ENSURE WATER QUALITY PROTECTION. THEREFORE, THEREFORE SAWS HIS RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MR. ESCALANTE. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT OR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE? HELLO, UH, DONALD ORIAN, 25 15 PLUM BROOK. UM, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. I HAVE, UH, UH, MY PRESENTATION BEING INDIVIDUALLY PASSED OUT SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS, UH, PRETTY BRIEFLY. UH, THERE'S CERTAIN PORTIONS HIGHLIGHTED IN THERE THAT I'LL BE BRINGING, UH, TO YOUR ATTENTION, UH, TO PROVIDE, UH, CONTRAST TO SOME OF THE, UH, DENIAL ISSUES, UH, FROM BOTH SAWS AND FROM STAFF. AND WITHIN THAT THERE ARE, UM, THREE LARGE, UH, PLANS. UH, I JUST PUT THREE PLANTS AND THREE PLANTS. IF Y'ALL COULD JUST KIND OF SHARE LOOKING AT THOSE, I'D APPRECIATE IT. SO THIS SITE IS LOCATED JUST OFF HENER ROAD, UH, UH, HONEYCOMB AND PEBBLE HENER ROAD BEING A MAJOR ARTERIAL. UH, THIS SITE WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED IN 1951. IT WAS COMPRISED OF LOTS APPROXIMATELY, UH, 0.375 TO JUST UNDER HALF AN ACRE. UH, THE, THE MOST OF THESE LOTS ARE UNDEVELOPED. UH, THE BIG REASON BEING THAT THERE IS LACK OF UTILITIES. SO IF WE WANT TO, UM, START, WE'LL START ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. ITEM NUMBER ONE. THIS IS A PRINTOUT FROM THE SAS I DOWNLOADED FROM SAS'S WEBSITE IN THE LAST MONTH. IT TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CATEGORY DESIGNATIONS AND WHAT THAT MEANS DEVELOPMENT WISE OVER THE AQUIFER. YOU HEARD FROM SAWS THAT THERE'S A 30% IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMIT, HOWEVER, WE ARE CATEGORY ONE, WHICH HAS A 100% ONLY. CATEGORY TWO HAS A 30% FOR RESIDENTIAL. IF WE FLIP TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, BACK IN APRIL, I SUBMITTED OUR ORIGINAL CATEGORY DETERMINATION TO SAWS. WE INFORMED THEM THAT WE WERE GOING FROM ONE LOT TO FOUR AND, UH, OF WHAT OUR INTENT WAS, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. UH, AND IN RESPONSE WE RECEIVED A CATEGORY ONE CLASSIFICATION. FROM THAT LETTER, WE THEN MOVED FORWARD WITH AN APPLICATION FOR CHANGE OF ZONING TO PURSUE A DENSE, UH, A ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT DENSITY OF FOUR LOTS. WE, UH, ALSO APPLIED FOR A FORMALLY APPLIED FOR THE PLAT AND IN DOING SO WE HAD TO, UM, HAVE IT REVIEWED BY SODS FORMALLY. AND SO ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A RESPONSE TO THE ACTUAL FORMAL PLATT REVIEW, WHERE IT GOES FROM ONE LOT TO FOUR. AND IN THIS THEY ALSO GAVE US ANOTHER WRITTEN CATEGORY ONE DESIGNATION. AND WITHIN, UH, THE MULTIPLE PAGES WITHIN THREE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL. AND THE PLAT THAT I DID SUBMIT THAT THEY REVIEWED AND APPROVED. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE SAWS REPORT. IT EVEN STATES ON THE FIRST PAGE THAT IT IS CATEGORY ONE, WHICH ALLOWS A 100% IMPERVIOUS COVER AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE FILTRATION REQUIREMENTS. AND ON THE SECOND PAGE, THEY LIST, UM, TWO ITEMS. 47% IMPERVIOUS COVER EXCEEDS A 30%. WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO A HUNDRED. SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. THE NEXT ITEM IS THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE MINIMUM FILTER STRIP BEING 15 FEET AND ALSO IT WAS IN CONFLICT WITH PROPOSED DETENTION AREAS. AND SO IF, IF, UH, WHOEVER HAS, UH, THE LARGER PLATTS, IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. UM, I, THERE'S THREE OF 'EM. I'M SORRY, Y'ALL HAVE TO SHARE 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BIG SHEETS. BUT, UM, IN THE REAR OF THAT PLAT YOU WILL SEE TWO PROPOSED EASEMENTS. ONE A 15 FOOT WATER FILTRATION EASEMENT FOR THE PURPOSES OF MEETING SAWS REQUIREMENT. AND BEHIND THAT A 10 FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT. IT IS OUR INTENT TO BUILD, UM, UM, A SMALL, LET'S SAY 13 INCH TALL L-SHAPED CURVE IN THE BACK CORNER OF EVERY LOT AND USE INDIVIDUAL DETENTION PONDS TO DRAIN OUT. SO WE ARE, THIS THING HAS BEEN HEAVILY, UH, LOOKED AT AND DESIGNED AND WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. AND I WILL LIKE TO ADD THAT IF THIS WERE TO PASS TODAY, WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH DEVELOPMENT, THIS WILL BE SCRUTINIZED DURING THE WATER POLLUTION ABATEMENT PLAN. WE'RE NOT GONNA GET AWAY WITH VIOLATING ANY REQUIREMENTS. SO JUST TO LET Y'ALL KNOW NOW, IN RESPONSE TO CITY STAFF, UH, COMMENTS, UH, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY AND OUR THREE DENSITY WOULD ALLOW UP TO FIVE LOTS. I WOULD LIKE, WELL, I NOT LIKE I AM FORMALLY, UH, AMENDING OUR APPLICATION TO REQUEST R FOUR ZONING. OUR SITE IS ABOUT 16,500 [00:35:02] SQUARE FEET, LIMITING US TO ONLY FOUR LOTS. AND WE WOULD RATHER HAVE R FOUR. WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR THAT IN THE BEGINNING. UM, BUT IF YOU COULD PLEASE, UH, TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION. SO ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE NORTH SECTOR PLAN, WHICH TALKS ABOUT WHERE HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SHOULD GO. UH, IT SPECIFICALLY STRESSES IT BEING ALONG, UH, AND OFF OF MAJOR ARTERIAL ROADS AS A BUFFER BETWEEN REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. ON THE SECOND PAGE OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS, UH, CORRESPOND WITH THAT ASSERTION. WE CAN SWITCH GEARS TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. THIS IS THE SAWS BLOCK MAP FOR OUR AREA. OUR LOT IS HIGHLIGHTED. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A MASSIVE LACK OF SEWER FACILITY TO THIS AREA. IF FOR THOSE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PART OF TOWN, YOU HAVE HENER OAKS HOBBY MIDDLE SCHOOL. IT'S HEAVILY DEVELOPED. THE LARGE MAP I PASSED OUT IS COLOR CODED TO SHOW THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. UM, THE REASON WHY THIS PROPERTY FOR THE LAST 70 YEARS IS UNDEVELOPED. IT'S OVER THE AQUIFER. MOST OF THE LOTS REQUIRED ATTENTION. IT, THERE'S NO SEWER. SO THE SOFT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE SO HIGH. I MEAN, JUST TO GO THROUGH THE W P A P, THE DETENTION ANALYSIS, THE PLATTING, THE ZONING, THE SEWER EXTENSION, WE'RE TALKING SIX FIGURES HERE. IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO BUILD ONE LARGE LUXURY TYPE HOME TO RECOUP THOSE COSTS. WHEN THAT HOME IS SO CLOSE TO COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES LIKE CLUB HUMIDOR THAT HAS AN OUTDOOR SMOKING PATIO THAT ABUTS THE SITE AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, A MINI STORAGE FACILITY. UM, STAFF, I HAD SOME PICTURES, UH, PROVIDED. IF YOU COULD SHOW SOME OF THEM, UH, THAT THAT'D BE GREAT. UH, UH, ONE SLIDE IS THE PLATT. OKAY, THIS IS THAT MAP THAT I HAD PASSED OUT AND YOU CAN SEE IN PURPLE IS THE PLATT FROM 1951 AND SURROUNDED TO THE, TO THE EAST. WE HAVE A QUARRY. UH, UH, THERE'S, UH, THE RED IS APARTMENTS, THE GREEN IS SOME SINGLE FAMILY. THE YELLOW IS COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON OUT THERE. AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE FOUR LOTS WOULD BE AN ADEQUATE BUFFER. WE COULD SPEND THE, SPREAD THE SOFT COSTS AMONG FOUR LOTS, COME UP WITH A HOME THAT IS MORE REASONABLY PRICED, THAT IS SELLABLE FOR THE AREA. AND IT WOULD PROVIDE, UH, AN EXTENSION OF SEWER FOR THE REMAINING PORTION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND THE VERY LAST SLIDE, THIS IS, UH, AN ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING. UM, THE PROJECT ARCHITECT, UM, THE THORN GROUP, THIS IS MR. LINDSAY THORN. THEY HAVEN'T DONE FINAL PLANS, OF COURSE, THEY'VE JUST BEEN DOING SOME IDEAS. BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT IS BEAUTIFUL, COMPLIMENTARY TO THE AREA, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO GET, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMPS, BUT THEY NEED TO GET ON THE HIGHER SIDE OF THE COMPS JUST TO COVER THESE SOFT COSTS. IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HE'S AVAILABLE. UM, AND THAT THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. UH, THANK YOU MR. ORIAN. YES. UH, IS, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? STAFF? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, GIVEN THAT YOU WILL NOT GET REBUTTAL 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO REBUT. OKAY. THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE. UM, SO DR. ROMERO, OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE FOR SAWS, BUT STANDBY NEAR THE FRONT OF THE ROOM IF YOU COULD. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE EASY FOR US TO TURN THIS INTO SOMETHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION. AND SO I WANNA TRY AND KEEP MY QUESTIONS NARROW FOR YOU. SURE. UM, I, I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION OF THOUGH IS WHY BE, BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND THIS, AND WE'VE, WE'VE SPOKEN BEFORE, UH, THERE, THERE WAS ENOUGH OF A CHANGE IN THE PROJECT MM-HMM. , UH, THAT, THAT THEY COULDN'T STILL HAVE THE A HUNDRED PERCENT IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT THEY WOULD HAVE UNDER CATEGORY ONE. BUT WHY THEN WOULD YOU NOT APPROACH IT BY JUST TAKING AWAY CATEGORY ONE AND SAYING THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED ENOUGH THAT YOU'RE NOW CATEGORY TWO AS OPPOSED TO SAYING YOU'RE STILL CATEGORY ONE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS LIMIT. I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE, WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE HITTING A WALL HERE OF TRYING TO COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT. OKAY. SO THIS IS A CATEGORY ONE. IT'S BEEN DETERMINED AS A CATEGORY ONE, IT'S BASED ON A PLATFORM 1951, WHICH IS NOT A, NOT REALLY LAND USE DEPENDENT. THAT WAS SAUL'S LEGAL INTERPRETATION. UM, CITY COUNCIL GAVE US [00:40:01] DIRECTION IN FEBRUARY OF 2005 TO LIMIT IMPERVIOUS COVER ON ALL ZONING CASES, EVEN CATEGORY ONES. SO CATEGORY ONES, CATEGORY TWOS. AND THAT HASN'T CHANGED SINCE FEBRUARY, 2005. UM, AND THAT'S TO PROTECT THE AQUIFER. UM, OUR DIRECTOR DETERMINES THE FINAL IMPERVIOUS COVER NUMBER. UM, AND THAT'S NOT JUST BASED ON LAND USE, IT'S ALSO BASED ON SENSITIVITY OF THE AREA. UM, DIFFERENT EXAMPLE OTHER THAN THIS, IF YOU HAVE CAVES NEARBY, A FLOODPLAIN NEARBY, THAT MAY DROP THE IMPERVIOUS COVER EVEN MORE THAN WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. 30, 50 OR 65. UM, SO AS FAR AS THE IMPERVIOUS COVER GOES AND THE CATEGORY DETERMINATION, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS MOST OF YOUR QUESTION OR IF NOT ALL OF YOUR QUESTION. IT, IT ANSWERS IT AS MUCH AS IT CAN BE ANSWERED AT THIS POINT WITHOUT HAVING CITY COUNCIL EXPLAIN THE WHOLE THING BEHIND IT. SURE. UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AREA? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID THERE WAS, UM, THERE'S NO RECHARGE FEATURES ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SORT OF THE INHERENT SENSITIVITY OF THIS AREA, AND I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE ALWAYS STRUGGLED RIGHT IN THIS AREA WITH SAWS. UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE AREA AND IT AND ITS POTENTIAL VULNERABILITY FOR RECHARGE? SURE. SURE. WELL, TYPICALLY, UM, NOW THE CONTRIBUTING, THE TRANSITION ZONE LINE IS VERY CLOSE TO THE RECHARGE LINE HERE. THAT MEANS THERE'S AN INFERRED FAULT IF THERE'S AN INFERRED FAULT. IT'S COULD BE, I'M NOT A GEOLOGIST, BUT IT COULD BE MORE SENSITIVE. I KNOW ON SOME TRACKS TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE A POINTER. WE HAVE DONE SOME PAST NOT WORKING. WE APPARENTLY DO HAVE A POINTER, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. OH, THERE IT IS. OKAY. I GOTTA LEARN HOW TO USE IT. THERE'S BEEN SOME ZONING UP IN THIS AREA AND THERE WERE SOME CAVES THAT WERE DISCOVERED SO NEARBY. UM, THE ALMA CREEK IS RIGHT DOWN HERE. UH, THAT'S A LARGE DRAINAGE AREA, GIANT BIG WATERSHED THAT DRAINS A LOT OF THE RECHARGE ZONE. SO AS FAR AS ANY RUNOFF GOES FROM ANY OF THIS AREA, IT GOES OVER TO THE RECHARGE ZONE ONTO THOMAS CREEK. UM, AND THEN, YEAH, BASICALLY AS FAR AS THE TOPOGRAPHIC AREA GOES, ALL OF IT DRAINS TOWARDS THE THOMAS CREEK THIS WAY BACK TOWARDS THE RECHARGE ZONE. RECHARGE ZONE. SO THIS IS TRANSITION ZONE LINE IS ROUGHLY, KIND OF GOES OVER IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. AND THIS KIND OF IS UP A HILL ON THIS DIRECTION. SO IF YOU GO THIS DIRECTION WHERE THE DRAINAGE IS, IT'S GONNA GO TOWARDS OMAS CREEK, WHICH IS THE RECHARGE ZONE. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. OKAY. AND I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU. SURE. UM, I THINK PEOPLE GENERALLY KNOW, UH, THAT LESS IMPERVIOUS COVER IS BETTER. UM, BUT CAN YOU EX JUST GIVE US A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT INTO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 30 AND 48? HOW, HOW THAT BENEFITS US AS A COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE, THE AQUIFER? WELL, ANYTHING OVER 20% IMPERVIOUS COVER PER STATE GUIDELINES AND EVEN THE WATER QUALITY ORDINANCE REQUIRES, UH, A B M P OR A STORM WATER QUALITY DEVICE TO TREAT WATER. BECAUSE THE U S G SS LOOKS AT THAT AS ANYTHING OVER 20% IMPERVIOUS COVER THERE CAN BE DEGRADATION. AND DEGRADATION MEANS ANY KIND OF IMPERVIOUS COVER FROM POLLUTANTS, FROM CARS, OIL, ROOFTOPS, SIDEWALKS. AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT ANYTHING OVER 20% IS TREATED. SO THIS IS 30 VERSUS 47. THIS WAS A DIRECTIVE, UH, THAT OUR DIRECTOR MADE THAT DECISION, UH, BASED ON BASED ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. ORIAN. SURE. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, CAN I MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS OR NO, I DON'T THINK SO 'CAUSE I'M NOT ASKING YOU. OKAY. YES. SO, UM, GIVEN THE PROJECT YOU WANNA BUILD ANYTHING LESS THAN 47 48 IS IMPOSSIBLE? THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND WE WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT A 50%, A NICE ROUND NUMBER, UH, AS AN IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMIT, IF THAT WOULD HELP SWAY ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER ROME, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS NOT SPEAK. UH, NO, NOT UNLESS WE ASK YOU A QUESTION. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER REMOTE QUESTIONS? NO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER O'NEAL TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTION. [00:45:02] OH, THAT WAS FAST. UM, UH, I BELIEVE THAT IN ALL MY YEARS AS THE DISTRICT EIGHT ZONING COMMISSIONER, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL FROM SA AND SOMETIMES I HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT THERE IS TOO MUCH LEEWAY GIVEN ON IMPERVIOUS COVER. I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT QUESTIONING HOW YOU DO YOUR JOBS. I JUST WONDER SOMETIMES, UM, ABOUT THE WATER QUALITY ORDINANCE. UM, I, I DO, I AM GOING TO GO WITH SAS'S RECOMMENDATION HERE. UM, I WANNA SAY MR. ORIAN HAS DONE EVERYTHING HE CAN AND I THINK WE ARE IN A VERY ODD SITUATION. AND I THINK, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION HERE ABOUT THE APPLICATION OF THE WATER QUALITY ORDINANCE THAT REALLY SHOULD NOT BE CONCERNING US HERE, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE APPLICANT IS A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THIS. UM, BUT I AM NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST SAWS ON THIS ONE. IT'S A REALLY, REALLY SENSITIVE AREA I'VE BEEN OUT THERE. IT'S A, IT'S AN UNUSUAL PART OF THE RECHARGE ZONE AND, UM, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO PROTECT IT THERE. AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST THE LAW'S RECOMMENDATION. SO, UH, I AM RECOMMENDING DENIAL FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. DANIEL, UH, GO WITH, OKAY. IF PEOPLE WOULD PLEASE SILENCE THEIR PHONES AND STOP DROPPING THINGS FROM THE CEILING, I'D APPRECIATE IT. UH, BUT THE PHONE'S PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT. UM, I'M GONNA GO WITH COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AT THIS POINT. UM, THERE'S A MOTION FOR DENIAL WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS. TO MY LEFT DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER'S REMOTE. YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, YES, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, MY COMMISSIONER ROMERO, UM, RARELY, AND IT CAUSES ME CONCERN AT TIMES. DOES SAS COME FORWARD WITH SUCH A STRONG RECOMMENDATION AGAINST A DEVELOPMENT? I THINK TYPICALLY THEY DO THEIR BEST TO WORK WITH APPLICANTS AND IN THIS SITUATION IT IS A, A VERY UNIQUE, UH, AREA OF THE RECHARGE ZONE. AND I ALSO AM GONNA STAND WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? COMMISSIONER WHITE. ALRIGHT. I THINK, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER OAL THAT MR. ORIAN DID A GREAT JOB AND THERE'S A LOT OF GOING ON HERE. I ALSO PERSONALLY FEEL, UH, THOUGH I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BY CITY COUNCIL. I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER ROMERO MADE WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO BE STUCK IN A POSITION OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD THINK OR DO IN THIS CASE. UM, AND YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, EVEN WITH THIS DENIAL GOING FORWARD, TO TAKE IT TO THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK OR DO AND INTERPRET THEIR OWN, UH, REGULATIONS UNDER, YOU KNOW, INTERPRET THEIR OWN REGULATIONS, PERIOD. SO, YOU KNOW, GOOD LUCK TO YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL VOTE. MOTION IS FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER BARROS, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN ON THIS ONE. COMMISSIONER WHITE. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YOU'RE VOTING YES, RIGHT? CAN CAN YOU SAY IT AGAIN? YES. THERE IT IS. I HEARD IT. I HEARD IT. IT WAS JUST A LITTLE DELAYED. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR VICE SAMANTHA. AYE. MOTION PASSES AS DENIAL. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. GOOD LUCK. UM, ALRIGHT, [3. (Continued from 10/19/2021) ZONING CASE Z202010700203 S ERZD (Council District 8)] IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS REBECCA RODRIGUEZ, PLANNER WITH CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM DR TO R P SS E R Z D WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR WIRELESS COMMUNICATION SYSTEM [00:50:01] LOCATED AT 3 25 PUEBLO PINTADO. THERE WERE NINE NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN OP, UH, ZERO IN FAVOR, FIVE IN OPPOSITION. PETITION WAS SUBMITTED WITH 125 OPPOSED OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY. THERE ARE THREE IN SUPPORT OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY AND A PETITION WAS SUBMITTED WITH 350 IN SUPPORT OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY. THE EXISTING DR IS IN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED R P S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR WIRELESS COMMUNICATION SYSTEM IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. ZONING SINCE RP BASED ZONING DISTRICT ARE COMMONLY LOCATED IN AREAS WITH LARGE TRACKS OF OPEN SPACE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL NEW WIRELESS COMMUNICATION SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO AREAS THAT WERE RECENTLY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY LIMITS. WHILE MEETING CODE REQUIREMENTS TO MAINTAIN THE ANTENNA SUPPORT STRUCTURE BE 200 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. OH, SORRY. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU SAWS FOR REMINDING ME IF THE APPLICANT CAN HOLD ON ONE SECOND. UH, IF THE SAWS REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT. THANK YOU MIKE. MIKE ESCO SAWS OFF FOR PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION. UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION TO ALLOW A 170 FOOT MONOPOLE TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER LOCATED NEAR THE 300 BLOCK OF PUEBLO PINTADO ROAD. THE 0.33 ACRE PAD SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SONOMA RANCH SUBDIVISION ON A NINE ACRE GREEN BELT, UH, UTILITY EASEMENT. THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE EASEMENT IS WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN. UH, TWO SENSITIVE FEATURES IDENTIFIED AS SOLUTION IN LARGE FRACTURE ZONES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE. EACH SENSITIVE FEATURE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 330 FEET AND 400 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED PAD SITE. SAS IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT TO INCLUDE 11% PURVIS COVER FOR THE 0.33 ACRE PAD SITE, UH, A FLOODPLAIN BUFFER AS WELL AS A SENSITIVE FEATURE BUFFER. NO FUEL POWERED BACKUP GENERATOR NOR OUTSIDE STORAGE OF CHEMICALS SHALL BE PERMITTED ON SITE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. ESCALANTE AND I APOLOGIZE NOW, THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS VINCE HEER REPRESENTING VERIZON WIRELESS. UM, COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS REAL QUICK. WE'VE GOT, UH, WITH ME IS THE REAL ESTATE MANAGER FOR VERIZON, LUKE CONDOR, UH, SOME OTHER VERIZON EMPLOYEES INCLUDING, UH, RYAN MARTIN, THE RF ENGINEER. UM, CHRIS, HE'S PASSING OUT AN RF SUMMARY AND THAT PRESENTATION IF YOU NEED IT AFTER MINE CAN BE, UH, GONE OVER. BUT ROLL THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I GOT A QUICK, UH, PRESENTATION. THIS, THIS IS, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM UNDERSTANDS THIS IS NOT A VOLUNTARY RELOCATION. WE HAVE BEEN KICKED OFF C P S SITES, ALL, ALL CARRIERS. I THINK THIS MAY BE THE LAST ONE I'VE DONE, HAVE HAD TO LOOK FOR OTHER SOLUTIONS IN THIS AREA. SO, UH, THEY'VE TERMINATED OUR LEASE. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE CURRENT, UH, UH, TRANSMISSION TOWER WITH THE CO-LOCATION OF THE ANTENNAS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, TIMELINES, UM, WAY LONG AGO WE, WE, UH, WE WERE TERMINATED, BUT WE WORKED OUT SOME TIME AND EFFORT WITH THEM, UH, TO EXTEND, EXTEND, EXTEND. AND WE'RE OUT OF TIME COMPLETELY. SO IN 2018, WE LOOKED AT A SEARCH STUDY, A CANDIDATE STUDY, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. UH, THAT WAS EXHAUSTED BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO COMMERCIAL AREAS IN SONOMA RANCH. WE HAVE TO GO COINCIDE WITH THE ZONING AND SETBACKS. UM, 2019, WE FIRST TALKED TO THE H O A, UM, BROUGHT UP IT UP UP FOR DISCUSSION SINCE THEN. UH, WE NOTIFIED THE 30 SOMETHING SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT AND OPEN AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THEM SAYING THAT WE'RE EXHAUSTED. ALL OTHER OPTIONS AND, AND THIS IS THE ONLY VIABLE ALTERNATIVE. COUPLE OTHER THINGS THERE ABOUT, UM, THE MA THE TOWN HALL MEETING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE DATED. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO FROM STAFF, FROM THE CODE, BASICALLY THIS COMPLIES. WHAT IT SAYS IS BA IS FROM A LAND USE OF RESIDENTIAL TO ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, WE HAVE TO BE 200 FEET. UM, SAME THING WITH A COMMERCIAL TRACK. COMMERCIAL TRACT IN YOUR CODE DOES REQUIRE 200 FOOT SETBACKS FROM ANY ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE IN A GREEN BELT. UM, AND WE'RE 226 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL SITE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, I WANNA SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE'RE MOVING. IT'S 70 FEET [00:55:02] TO UM, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY WEST, 70 FEET TO THE WEST FROM THE EXISTING SITE. THERE'S SOME, UH, DIMENSIONS ON THERE, BASICALLY SHOWING 226 FOR THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL. UH, AND THEN TWO SOMETHING, TWO 50 SOMETHING TO THE NEXT RESIDENTIAL. UH, BUT THIS IS BASICALLY SHOWING THE ACCESS. THE EASEMENT. THAT WHOLE GREEN AREA OUTLINED IS BOTH TWO BIG TRANSMISSION EASEMENTS, A HUNDRED FEET EACH. SO WE CAN'T GO TO THE RIGHT OF THE SIDE. WE HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE OVER THERE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS THE PLAT. UM, THIS AGAIN SHOWS YOU WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING. WE CAN'T GO FURTHER NORTH, OTHERWISE WE'D BE IN, IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY LINE. UM, THAT DIMENSION TO OUR PARALLEL TO US IS 500 FEET. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR WE ARE FROM THE SENATE DOMINGO RESIDENCES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, VIEWS EXISTING VIEWS, EXISTING TRANSMISSION POLES, UH, CURRENTLY THERE. UH, NEXT PLEASE. UH, THIS WAS A SEARCH RING STUDY. YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE RING ITSELF IS PRETTY SMALL BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SMALL. IT'S NOT, THIS ISN'T KIND OF, SORT OF, THIS IS EXACT. SO WE HAVE TO GET SOMEWHAT SIMILAR COVERAGE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN A SPECIFIC LOCATION. SO THOSE OTHER SITE STUDIES THAT WE DID, THE CANDIDATES REALLY DIDN'T HELP US SERVE US TO GET COVERAGE. WE EVEN TALKED TO THE PARKLAND DIRECTOR ABOUT THAT HABITAT AREA TO OUR NORTH TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE COULD GET INTO THAT. THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OKAY. UH, WE CALL THE DOPPLER RADAR MAPS. THESE ARE THE COVERAGE MAPS PRODUCED BY THE RF ENGINEERS. GREEN IS GOOD. YOU CAN SEE THE BLACK TRIANGLE WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. SO GREEN GETS IN KITCHEN COVERAGE. YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THE ROOFTOPS ARE GREEN. A LOT OF THE STREETS ARE YELLOW, WHICH IS IN VEHICLE COVERAGE. NOW, IF THIS SITE GOES AWAY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T GET THIS APPROVAL. NEXT SLIDE. RED IS BAD. SO PRACTICALLY THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD HAVE ONLY OUTDOOR COVERAGE. WALK TO YOUR DRIVE BACK IN WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, YOU MAKE A PHONE CALL FROM YOUR DRIVEWAY. THAT WOULD BE IT. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OKAY. FOR FORMAL VOTES, EVEN THOUGH THE H O A DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT, THEY DID DO AN EMAIL CAMPAIGN ON VOTES AND 61% WERE IN FAVOR. UM, WE DID A TEXT, UH, TO OUR CUST UH, VERIZON CUSTOMERS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REBECCA MENTIONED. WE HAVE 355, UH, EMAILS AND, AND TEXT RESPONSES IN SUPPORT. I THINK THAT WAS SENT TO Y'ALL. AND THEN THE SUMMARY, UH, IN WHAT WAS JUST HANDED OUT, SHOWING YOU THAT, THAT THE ONE SECTOR THAT'S, THAT'S RUNNING SONOMA IS OVER ALMOST 200% OVER CAPACITY, WHICH MEANS WE ALL KNOW THE, THE TERMS IS. UM, YOU'RE DOWNLOADING AN EMAIL, DOWNLOADING AN EMAIL, DOWNLOADING AN EMAIL FOR MINUTES AND MINUTES AND MINUTES. THAT'S THE CAPACITY PROBLEMS. UM, SOMETIMES YOU MAKE A PHONE CALL ON A CAPACITY ISSUE AND YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE. YOU USED TO BE ABLE, THEY USED TO TELL YOU THERE'S NO NOTHING THERE. BUT NOW YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND WAIT AND WAIT FOR A RING. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TALK FROM PEOPLE ABOUT VALUES. I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THIS THING IN, IN 12, 15 YEARS AGO. THIS IS SAME SIMILAR FLUSH MOUNT. WE HAD TO DROP A POLICE TOWER AND REPLACE IT WITH A MONOPOLE. BOTH CARRIERS GOT ON THERE AND I REMEMBER TALKING TO MR. JACK DOWNEY, UM, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HIS VALUES, BUT RIGHT NOW, EVEN A FEW YEARS AGO, IT WENT UP TO $1.3 MILLION. THIS IS MUCH CLOSER THAN 200 FEET. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ONE MORE. UH, THIS IS ROOT METRIC STUDY ABOUT WHO, I MEAN THIS IS 2015. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE DATED, BUT WHAT ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS A BUYER LOOKS AT IN AGE GROUPS? AND PREDOMINANTLY IT'S CELL RECEPTION UNTIL YOU GET TO MY AGE WHERE IT'S HOSPITALS, BUT CELL RECEPTION IS STILL CLOSE. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AGAIN, THE SITE LOCATION. JUST KIND OF CONFIRMING WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE'RE GOING. UM, SAWS TALKED ABOUT THE FEATURES AND THE BUFFERS THAT WE'RE MEETING AS WELL. UM, FINAL SLIDE I THINK IS COMING UP. ONE MORE. SO HOW IMPORTANT ARE THESE PHONES? WE ALL KNOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. BUT ONE THING THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I MENTION IS 9 1 1 CALLS. WE, WE REACHED OUT TO THE NETWORK OPERATIONS CENTER AND ASKED THEM TO CHECK ON 9 1 1 CALLS ON THE SITE AND THEY HAD RECEIVED 16 LAST WEEK, 16 9 1 1 CALLS ON THIS CELL SITE. UM, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH AND IT REALLY IS NOT, BUT IT'S OVER 800 CALLS A YEAR. UH, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE SITE, UM, FOR THE SAFETY, FOR THE OVERALL COMMUNITY BASIS, FOR COMMUNICATIONS AND IN IN KITCHEN COVERAGE. WE HELP YOU SUPPORT [01:00:01] THIS CASE. SO I'M, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. UH, ALRIGHT. WE'VE HEARD FROM SAS, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR. WE HAVE AT LEAST 11. IT WAS RHETORICAL. SORRY, . IF WE COULD CALL THE FIRST ONE PLEASE. JERRY AO. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. NUMBER THREE. WE'RE ON NUMBER THREE. I'M JUMPING AHEAD. OKAY. , UH, SUNG COOK SIR, IF YOU'D COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS LIKE YOU DID LAST TIME. HELLO, MY NAME IS SUNG COOK. I LIVE AT, UH, 3 3 5 SANTA DOMINGO AND I OPPOSED THIS TOWER. UM, WE SUBMITTED, UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU SAW THE SIGNATURES HERE. IT WAS ROUGHLY ABOUT 130 SIGNATURES OR SO. THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE SONOMA RANCH. NOT JUST SOMEONE OUTSIDE OR SOMEONE AT THE GAS STATION. THE TEXT CAMPAIGNER. SO THESE ARE ACTUAL PHYSICAL SIGNATURES. YOU CAN CALL THESE PEOPLE UP. THEY ALL LIVE IN THE RESIDENCE. AND THE NEXT THING IS THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOME VALUE. VERIZON WAS THE HOME VALUE. I'VE ALSO, UH, HAVE UH, ROUGHLY ABOUT 22 REALTORS LETTERS, ASSOCIATE BROKERS, AND THESE ARE ACTUAL REALTORS YOU CAN CALL. THEY'RE LOCAL. THEY'RE NOT JUST SOME STATISTIC REPORT OFF OF GOOGLE. SO Y'ALL RECEIVED THAT YESTERDAY. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST HERE, LET'S PUT ONE OF THESE UP THERE. SURE. I JUST WANT THE AUDIENCE TO VIEW THE LETTER, JUST BASICALLY TO STATE THAT THE KEY POINTS, YES, IT'S GONNA, MY HOUSE IS GONNA LOSE, UH, PROPERTY VALUE AND THE CELL, THE CELL TIRE IS AN UGLY EYESORE IN RETURN, UH, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SELL MY HOUSE AND I HAVE TO SEE A CELL TIRE EVERY DAY. AND I'M PRETTY SURE JOHN DOESN'T WANNA SELL TIRE IN THIS FRONT YARD OR BACKYARD. HE'LL BE FINE. THIS TOO. SO IT'S NOT FAIR. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THIS CELL TOWER IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. UM, THIS, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THIS OTHER ONE. SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE VERIZON'S UH, COVERAGE. THEY SUBMITTED THIS MAP TO Y'ALL? NO, THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE. THAT SIDE. THE FRONT SIDE? YEAH, JUST LIKE THAT. SO HE HAD THIS SLIDE UP THERE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, OH, WE'RE GONNA LOSE COVERAGE. LOOK AT ALL THIS RED, THERE'S A LOT OF COVERAGE. HE SHOULD HAVE SUBMITTED THIS EXTRA MAP, THIS GOOGLE MAP OF A LIVE IMAGE OF THE ACTUAL AREA. AND JUST LIKE THAT ALSO YOU'RE GONNA SEE I, I KIND OF DREW SOME BLACK STENCILS. SO YOU CAN SEE 1604 AND THE, AND THE BLACK SHARPIE OUTLINES KIND OF SO YOU CAN PUT THE PUZZLE TOGETHER. YOU SEE THAT BIG OLD GREEN VOID, WHICH IS THE RESERVE. AND THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE RED SPLASH THAT YOU SEE. SO TO ME, IF SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT THE OTHER CHART, YOU, YOU PROBABLY SAY OKAY, THERE'S NO COVERAGE, BUT IT'S NO COVERAGE IN A DEAD ZONE. THERE'S NO ONE LIVING OUT THERE. SORRY, I'M NOT AS FANCY AS VERIZON. WITH THE POWERPOINT. UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS WAS SUBMITTED IN DECEMBER 18TH, 2019 FROM UH, BRANCH TOWERS, VERIZON. THIS IS A DIFFERENT SLIDE. THIS IS A DIFFERENT POWERPOINT THAT THEY PROVIDED TO THE H O A AND THE H O A PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS. THE RESIDENTS OBVIOUSLY. CAN YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE? THAT, THAT PAGE THERE. SO THESE ARE THE KEY BULLET POINTS THAT UH, VERIZON POINTED OUT. I MEAN AS, AS A RESIDENCE, YOU'RE SEEING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME LOSS TO THIS SITE WILL EQUAL NO IN BUILDING COVERAGE. LOSS OF SITE WAS SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED. E 9 1 9 1 1 ABILITIES. THE FIRST THING YOU'RE GONNA SAY IS, WOW, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE NO COVERAGE, NO 9 1 1. WE NEED THIS CELL TOWER. BAM. THEN THEY SEND OUT THE, THE, THE EMAIL SAYING THAT IT'S TIME TO VOTE. OF COURSE PEOPLE WANNA VOTE. YEAH, WE NEED A CELL TOWER 'CAUSE WE NEED 9 1 1 SERVICE. BUT OBVIOUSLY ALL Y'ALL KNOW THAT 9 1 1 SERVICE CAN BE PICKED UP BY ANY PROVIDER. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VERIZON. YOU CAN GO UP THERE WITH A PHONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SERVICE PLAN, CLICK IT ON DIAL 9 1 1 AND SOMEONE'S GONNA PICK UP. THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS. SO THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE THAT COULD PULL UP TO SLACK. HERE WE GO. SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, VERIZON POINTED AT ALTERNATE LOCATIONS THAT THEY EXHAUSTED ALL OPTIONS. BUT IN MY OPINION, THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE IN PLAY BUT THEY DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AT THE TIME. CURRENTLY THEY ERECTED A NEW TOWER. I BELIEVE IT'S AT T. SORRY FOR THE COOL HAND DRAWN. THAT'S YOUR TIME SIR. OH, I, I'M TAKING ALSO TIME FROM BERTHA COOK ADDITIONAL TIME. UH, IN THIS CASE I WILL ALLOW THAT. BUT FOR GOING FORWARD, ALL INDIVIDUALS, IF YOU ARE GIVING YOUR TIME, YOU MUST DO IT PRIOR TO I DID SIR. YOU DID. [01:05:01] ALRIGHT. IT HAS TO BE NOW AND RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE RIGHT. OH, SHE ASKED ME THE QUESTION UP FRONT. SO NEXT TIME SOMEONE WANTS SOMEONE ELSE'S TIME, THIS IS, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU MS. COOK. I'LL LEAVE. NOPE. 1, 1, 1 PERSON. THANK YOU. UH, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THAT THIS ONE TIME. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES MR. COOK. THANK YOU JOHN. UH, AND IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO GIVE THEIR TIME BEFORE THAT PERSON STARTS TALKING, POINT TO 'EM, LET 'EM KNOW. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. SORRY. PLEASE CONTINUE. WE HAVE THREE MINUTES. UM, WHICH WAS THAT LAST NAME THAT YOU REMEMBER? OKAY, SO, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S AT AND T 'CAUSE THAT'S, WE SAW SOME AT AND T SERVICE TRUCKS OUT THERE SERVICING THAT NEW CELL TOWER. THEY JUST ERECTED PROBABLY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. SO, IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT VERIZON SHOULD JUST BE A TENANT OF THAT TOWER. WHY ERECT ANOTHER TOWER? YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THE FIRST DIVS TO THE OPTION TO GET THAT TOWER BY SEE SOMEONE ELSE SIDE TO PUT THEIR OWN TOWER UP. SO THAT'S MY OPTION. I'M THINKING THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS. AND ALSO, UH, VERIZON HAD ANOTHER SLIDE OF ALSO, UM, I GUESS BOMBARDMENT OF THE COMMUNICATIONS. AND HE HAD ANOTHER CHART WHERE IT WAS CERTAIN SECTORS SHOWING THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE CURRENT TOWER, WHICH IS OVER CAPACITY. SO IN MY THINKING THAT IF IT'S OVERLOADED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE TOWER OF THAT SPECTRUM, THEY SHOULD MOVE THE TOWER MORE TO THE RIGHT. WHY KEEP IT IN THE SAME PLACE? SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S MORE MARKET SHARES FOR VERIZON AND THE H O O A IS MORE, IS LINING THEIR POCKETS WITH 800 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR US THAT LIVES NEXT TO THE CELL TOWER. WE GET NOTHING BUT THE EYESORE LOST PROPERTY VALUE AND THAT SOME OF THE STUDIES THAT, THAT WERE PRESENTED, THEY'RE OLD, THEY'RE OFF OF GOOGLE OR SOME SORT. THESE ARE, THE INFORMATION I'M PROVIDING YOU IS FROM LOCAL PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, WHICH MATTERS IN MY OPINION, WHICH MATTERS. UH, OKAY. AND ALSO ANOTHER THING IS THAT, UM, I'M DOING THIS FOR MY FAMILY AND MY NEIGHBORS. IT'S OBVIOUSLY'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND IT'S, I REALLY DON'T WANNA MOVE. IF THIS TOWER GETS ERECTED, YOU'LL BE, I DON'T WANNA LOOK AT ALL Y'ALL AND SAY, Y'ALL INDIVIDUALLY MADE ME MOVE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE. HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ABLE TO DENY IT TODAY SO IT CAN MOVE ON. IF NOT, MAYBE PERHAPS A CONTINUATION SINCE YOU OFFERED VERIZON A CONTINUATION, PERHAPS OFFER ME A CONTINUATION SO I CAN BEST GATHER, UH, MORE INFORMATION. SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, WAS FRESH. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT, EXAMINE IT, AND MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A MORE MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION DOWN THE ROAD. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT PERSON I HAVE IS ROBERT MAGNA. IS ANYONE ELSE GIVING TIME TO HIM? YOUR NAME? THANK YOU. SAY YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN. KAUR KAUR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SIX MINUTES BEFORE I START. UM, I WOULD LIKE IF PERMITTED TO, UH, GIVE THE COUNCIL IN FRONT OF ME MY LIST OF CREDENTIALS. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YES. TELL US YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN YOU CAN USE YOUR TIME AS YOU PLEASE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO MY NAME IS ROBERT MCGONIGAL AND I LIVE ON 9 1 1 4 CORDES JUNCTION. I'M CURRENTLY AN E C A WITH A PRIVATE AMBULANCE COMPANY AND A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER OF FIVE AND A HALF YEARS WHO SPECIALIZES IN WILDLAND FIRE? OH, I ALSO HAVE A POWERPOINT. AWESOME. I HAVE A, I'M ALSO A HUNTER'S ED INSTRUCTOR WITH TECH SPARKS AND WILDLIFE, AND I'M ALSO A FACILITATOR COORDINATOR WITH OR NOT COORDINATOR, UH, FACILITATOR FOR PROJECT WILD WITH TECH SPARKS AND WILDLIFE. I HAVE A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE OF FORESTRY FROM STEPHEN F. AUSTIN. AND WHEN I SAY THAT I'VE DONE STUDIES AND STUFF OUT HERE, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN TRAINED BY SOME OF THE BEST FORESTERS, FIRE MANAGEMENT SPECIALISTS, HYDROLOGISTS AND WILDLIFE BIOLOGISTS THAT THE STATE AND THE COUNTRY HAS TO OFFER. SO I'D LIKE THAT TO BE CONSIDERED EXPERT TESTIMONY. UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO TO MY FIRST SLIDE. SO MY FIRST POINT IS ON WILDFIRE RISK. ACCORDING TO THE DATA I HAVE GATHERED FROM THE TEXAS FOREST SERVICE, WHICH IS OUR STATE AGENCY THAT HAS JURISDICTION OVER WILDFIRE, THE PROPOSED AREA IS HIGH TO VERY HIGH RISK FOR WILDFIRE. NOW, THIS MEANS THAT IN ONE STRAY SPARK IN THE CEDAR OR TALL GRASS IN THE AREA CAN QUICKLY ESCALATE TO A LARGE WILDFIRE. THE FOREST COMPOSITION AROUND THE PROPOSED SITE IS MAINLY SCRUBBED COMPRISED OF JUNIPER AND OAK. MANY AREAS IN THE SOUTHWEST HAVE THIS SAME FOREST COMPOSITION AND ARE OFTEN PRONE TO THESE TYPES OF FIRES, AND THEY HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO GO EXTREMELY FAST, GIVEN VERIZON'S TESTIMONY THAT THIS IS AN OPTIMAL SITE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE TOP OF A HILL. IT'S ALSO A OPTIMAL SITE FOR SPOTTING. SPOTTING IS WHEN YOU HAVE EMBERS FROM THE TOP OF THE HILL THAT GO AND SOMEWHERE ELSE AND START ANOTHER FIRE DOWN THE LINE. YOU'VE SEEN INCIDENTS OF SPOTTING HAPPENING IN CALIFORNIA DURING LARGE FIRES THAT DESTROYED WHOLE CITIES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. [01:10:02] UH, IF YOU COULD SCROLL UP FOR ME. THERE WE GO. MY SECOND POINT IS TO THE IMPACT TO OUR NATIVE FAUNA, SPECIFICALLY TO OUR BATS AND BIRDS. SEVERAL SCIENTIFIC STUDIES HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THESE PARTICULAR CELL TOWERS ARE AT RISK FOR OUR AVIAN FRIENDS, AND THEY HAVE BEEN LINKED TO LOCAL MORTALITY AND DETERRENCE FROM, AND DETERS THEM FROM RETURNING ON MY OWN. I DID A SMALL HANDFUL OF BIRD SURVEYS AND FOUND AT LEAST 51 SPECIES THAT I COULD IDENTIFY. I'M NOT AN ORNITHOLOGIST, BUT I COULD IDENTIFY 51 OF THEM. AND, AND I'M NOT GONNA LIE, A LOT OF THESE SMALL LITTLE BIRDS CAN LOOK THE SAME. THAT'S WHY THERE'S NOT MORE. UM, IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT DISTINGUISH THEM AFTER. UH, ANOTHER STATE HAS SHOWN THAT IT CAN AFFECT SPECIES OF BATS. SO THIS AREA ARE SMALL ORGANISMS THAT ARE FAIRLY SENSITIVE. NEXT SLIDE. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTO, THIS IS JUST ONE DAY'S ACCUMULATION OF BIRD STRIKE MORTALITIES FROM A NEW TOWER AS PART OF AN ONGOING STUDY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CORNELL. NEXT SLIDE. THIS NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT BIRD STRIKES AT DIFFERENT ALTITUDES. ANY OF THESE NUMBERS SHOULD BE ALARMING, BUT IF WE GO TO THE POWER LINES ONE, 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AT LEAST 22.8 MILLION BIRD STRIKES. UM, WHEN I WAS AT A TOWN HALL MEETING, ASKED VERIZON TO PUBLISH THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT BEFORE OUR H O A WOULD ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD. THEY REFUSED. AND WHEN I ASKED ABOUT WILDLIFE CONCERNS, THEY RESPONDED WITH, IT'LL BE ADDRESSED WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT. KINDA CATCH 22 THERE IN A SEPARATE CONVERSATION LATER THAT DAY, I ASKED THEM HOW LONG THEIR A I S STATEMENT WOULD TAKE AND THEIR LAND ACQUISITIONS PERSONNEL TOLD ME THAT THEY CAN CRANK ONE OUT IN A FEW MONTHS. DUE TO THIS, DUE THE VERSION OF THE MIGRATORY BIRD TREATY ACT, THE REPOSE DECREASES IN PROTECTION SET BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, HAVE SINCE BEEN REJECTED OUTRIGHT. AND THE OLD POLICY AND GUIDELINES PRIOR TO 2017 HAVE RESUMED THEIR EFFECT. THAT MEANS THE LACKS APPROACH THAT THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY TAKEN TO THEIR AVIAN STUDIES IS NOW OUT OF REGULATION. NEXT SLIDE. I CONTACTED AN ECOLOGIST SPECIALIZING IN ORNITHOLOGY FROM A MAJOR CONSULTING AGENCY, AND SHE GAVE ME THIS STATEMENT. IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, NO, A FEW MONTHS IS NOT AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO ACCOUNT FOR MIGRATORY BIRD SPECIES, WHICH MIGRATE THROUGH THIS AREA IN BOTH THE SPRING AND FALL. MIGRATORY BIRD SURVEYS SHOULD BE CONDUCTED DURING BOTH OF THESE MIGRATION SEASONS. ADDITIONALLY, ACTIVE NEST SURVEYS WOULD NEED TO BE CONDUCTED DURING THE BREEDING SEASON, ROUGHLY FEBRUARY TO AUGUST, TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL BREEDING BIRDS AND RAPTORS IN THE AREA. SURVEYS MIGHT ALSO NEED TO BE CONDUCTED FOR THREATENED AND ENDANGERED SPECIES LIKE THE GOLDEN SHEIK WARBLER AND THE BLACK VERIO. THIS WOULD DEPEND ON HABITAT ASSESSMENT FIRST TO DETERMINE IF THE AREA COULD POTENTIALLY HOUSE THESE BIRDS. AFTER ALL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM OF NINE MONTHS OF SURVEY NESTING AND MIGRATION TO ADEQUATELY ACCOUNT FOR PROTECTION, PROTECTING THESE BIRDS AND OTHER WILDLIFE IN THE AREA. WHEN DURING THESE SURVEYS, AS YOU SAW SOME OF THE PICTURES EARLIER FROM THIS SITE, IT DOES HAVE A VERY STEEP SLOPE, WHICH COUNTED TO ABOUT 16, UH, PERCENT SLOPE. UM, THE, IF THEY USE PROB OR PREFERRED BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AND ARE REQUIRED TO DO SO, INCLUDING SEEDING THEIR GRAVEL, THEY WILL STILL HAVE AT LEAST 30,000 POUNDS OF EROSION GOING DOWNHILL OVER 30 YEARS. I MEAN, 30 TONS, MY BAD. UM, JUST BECAUSE UNDER CURRENT REGULATION IT SAYS THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING OVER THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE. DOES THAT MAKE IT MORALLY RIGHT? I DON'T THINK IT DOES. I GREW UP ON THIS JOGGING PATH. I WENT OUT THERE AND INSPIRED ME TO WANT TO GET OUT THERE AND TO PROTECT WILDLIFE. AND ON THAT ACTIVE 9 1 1 OR THE ENHANCED 9 1 1, I VOLUNTEER IN ONE OF THE MUTUAL AID FIRE DEPARTMENTS. I CAN ALSO TELL YOU, NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE AGENCY, BUT AS SOMEONE WHO'S DONE IT FOR A WHILE, IT'S NOT REALLY NEEDED OUT THERE. THAT'S, THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A MAIN POINT. IT WAS A FEAR TACTIC. SAN ANTONIO'S GOT THIS. YOU GUYS HAVE A DANG GOOD FIRE DEPARTMENT. YOU SHOULD TRUST THEM. IF THEY NEED SOMETHING, THEY'LL ASK YOU. AND THE FIVE G COMPATIBILITY WON'T EVEN WORK WITH OUR DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, NEXT PERSON PLEASE. NEXT PERSON. HENRY WILKES. MR. WILKES, IS ANYONE GIVING TIME TO YOU? SAY EVERY ONCE A WHOLE LOT MORE TO ME. THANK YOU. MR. WILKES WORKS. IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, SIR. MY NAME IS HENRY WILKES. I LIVE AT 3 3 8 SANTA DOMINGO. 3 3 8. SANTA DOMINGO IS LOCATED JUST TO THE NORTH OF WHERE THEY WANT THE TOWER. UM, IN FACT, WE, I'D SAY WE'RE PROBABLY AS CLOSE OR WE'RE NEARLY AS CLOSE AS AS THE RESIDENCE ON PUEBLO PINTADO, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WE HAVE, WE HAVE A THREE ACRE LOT. SO OUR RESIDENCE IS BACK A LITTLE BIT. OUR PROPERTY LINE GOES WITHIN ABOUT 50 TO 75 FEET OF THIS TOWER, WHICH IS WHY WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. [01:15:01] SO WE COULD HAVE A BUFFER AND NOT HAVE ANOTHER HOUSE OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE PLANTED INTO OUR BACKYARD. 170 FOOT TOWER FROM OUR BACKYARD OR FROM OUR RESIDENCE, WILL BE SEEN, UH, CONTINUOUSLY THE LIVING ROOM, THE KITCHEN, THE BED BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS, DOWNSTAIRS, BACK DECK POOL WILL BE UNABLE TO AVOID IT. UM, MY NEIGHBOR SONNY HAD MENTIONED THE, THE FACT THAT THIS IS, THIS IS, TO ME, THIS IS A VERIZON PROBLEM. OKAY? WE ARE GOING TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED WHETHER IF IT'S IT'S INCONTROVERTIBLE, OUR PROPERTY IS GOING TO GO DOWN SOMEWHAT. NOW, NOW YOU MAY SAY IN TWO YEARS IT'S GONNA BE WORTH MORE THAN IT'S TODAY. WELL, IT'S GONNA BE WORTH MORE, EVEN MORE IF YOU DON'T PUT A CELL TOWER IN MY BACKYARD. 'CAUSE PROPERTY LEVELS EVERYWHERE ARE GOING UP. TO SAY IT'S GONNA BE WORTH MORE IS JUST PLAYING WITH PLAYING WITH WORDS. NOW, VERIZON HAS A TOWER NOW, C P SS KICKED THEM OFF. SO IT'S A VERIZON PROBLEM. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER, AS SONNY MENTIONED, A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER CELL PROVIDERS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND NOBODY'S HAVING A, NOBODY'S HAVING A PROBLEM WITH IT. NOW, THERE'S A BASE BUILDING AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT TOWER THAT I IMAGINE HAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE TOWER. IT'S GOT VERIZON ON THE SIDE, IT'S LOCKED UP. IT'S GOT A FENCE AROUND IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BUILDING'S GOING DOWN TO THE BASE WITH, WITH THE TOWER AT THE BOTTOM OF MY HOUSE AS WELL, OR THEY JUST WANT THAT TOWER THERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO RUN THE INFRASTRUCTURE LINES FROM THE BUILDING THAT ALREADY EXISTS DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, WHICH SAVES THEM COST. UH, I GET IT. I'M NOT SAYING VERIZON'S A BAD GUY HERE. THEY'RE IN BUSINESS TO DO IT. UH, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER BUSINESS IN THIS, AND THAT'S THE TOWER COMPANY WHO IS NOW SAYING, THIS IS A, A THING TO ACCOMMODATE VERIZON AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE COVERAGE AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE COVERAGE IN YOUR KITCHEN AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE 9 1 1 COVERAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WELL, THE TOWER COMPANY'S NOT DOING IT JUST TO HELP VERIZON. EVENTUALLY, THE TOWER COMPANY WHO'S GONNA OWN THE COMPANY AND LEASE IT TO VERIZON IS GOING TO WANNA PUT OTHER TOWERS OR OTHER ANTENNAS ON THAT UNIT POLE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE MAKING 170 FEET. AND IT'S A BIG, AND IT'S A BIG DEAL. SO THEN WE COULD BE LOOKING AT EVEN MORE. WE COULD HAVE AT AND T AND OTHER STUFF WHEN YOU GET TO THE FACT THAT NOT A SINGLE PERSON, NOT ONE THAT'S IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, THAT CAN, THAT WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS TOWER AND ACTUALLY HAVE TO SUFFER THROUGH SEEING IT. NOT ONE PERSON SUPPORTS IT, NOT, NOT A SINGLE ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. WILKES. THAT IS YOUR TIME. THANKS. I APPRECIATE IT. , NEXT PERSON IS BRIAN ELROD. MR. ELROD, UH, DOES ANYONE WANT TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO MR. ELROD? AND DOES MR. ELROD WANT IT? UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE ZONING REQUEST. HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME'S BRIAN ELROD. I ACTUALLY WORK, UH, WITH VERIZON WIRELESS AS A SITE ACQUISITION CONSULTANT. UH, SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLOSELY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. UM, BASICALLY I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT FROM A STANDPOINT OF, UH, WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH, UM, WITH THE H O A, UM, TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN TO, UM, APPEASE AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE OPPOSITION. UM, I DID WANNA POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT THE SITE. UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING SITE THERE TODAY. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 15 YEARS. UM, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A, A BIG DISPARITY. WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY SHIFTING 50 FEET WEST. UM, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, EVEN FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT. UM, JUST KEEPING IT VERY SIMPLE. UM, NOTHING FLASHY, NOTHING THAT'S GONNA STICK OUT MORE THAN, UM, IT'S A, ACTUALLY, THE WAY WE'RE PROPOSING TO MOUNT THE ANTENNAS IS ACTUALLY, UM, FLUSH, FLUSH MOUNT. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY NOT GONNA SEE THE BIG CROWN, UM, THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY, UM, OR THAT YOU SEE CURRENTLY TODAY. SO JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY APPROVAL, UM, BASED OFF THE HARD WORK THAT WE'VE DONE. GOSH, THIS STARTED, LET'S SEE, WE STARTED THESE DISCUSSIONS BACK IN 2019. UM, A LOT'S GONE ON SINCE THEN, BUT JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY APPROVAL OF THE, THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, MR. ELROD. NEXT, NEXT PERSON. RYAN MARTIN. MR. MARTIN. MR. MARTIN, IF ANYONE WANTS TO GIVE YOU THEIR TIME AND YOU WANT TO TAKE IT, NOW'S THE TIME. ALRIGHT, MR. MARTIN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS REZONING. UH, YES, MY NAME'S RON MARTIN AND, UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1 5 8 2 6 DELAWARE PARK, SELMA, TEXAS. UM, I WORK FOR VERIZON WIRELESS. I'M THE RF ENGINEER. UM, [01:20:01] AND I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH EVERYBODY HERE. CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC PLEASE? SORRY, I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH, WITH EVERYBODY HERE AND, AND WHAT THEY ARE TA TALKING ABOUT. HOWEVER, UH, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BUILD A NEW COMMUNICATIONS TOWER. WE'RE TRYING TO REPLACE ONE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. UM, AND THIS JUST TRYING TO RE JUST IN TRYING TO REPLACE COVERAGE, UH, YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING LIKE, FOR, LIKE, OTHERWISE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY, BUT OTHER, UH, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M HERE. THANK YOU. MR. MARTIN STAFF. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? YES, UH, DANE WILKINS. ALRIGHT, MS. WILKINS, I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO, OH, OKAY. MS. WILKINS, WHAT'S YOUR NAME, SIR? LUCAS CONDOR. OKAY. OH, JUST A SECOND. LET ME GET TO THE NEXT PERSON. UM, NEXT PERSON I BELIEVE I HAVE IS HAKE VILLA PANDO. UH, OKAY. OH, MS. ILLA. PANDO. BE NICE. LET'S KEEP MY KIDS OUTSIDE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP YOUR KIDS OUTSIDE. WE, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT LIKE KIDS HERE. . GOOD MORNING. I KNOW Y'ALL HEARD FROM ME LAST TIME. MY NAME'S IKA PANDO. I LIVE AT 9 1 0 7 LOS MARIA. UM, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID LAST TIME, THAT WE ARE, UM, IN OUR HOUSE, WE ARE AGAINST THIS TOWER. WE KNOW THAT WE LIKE TO WALK THAT AREA. IT'S PART OF OUR, WHAT WE CONSIDER OUR WILDERNESS TRAILS WHERE WE TAKE OUR DOG AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, AND, UH, IT'S JUST NOT AS, IT'S NOT AS APPEALING TO TAKE IT UP THERE, UM, TO TAKE THEM UP THERE WHEN WE WERE SEEING LIKE LESS AND LESS OF THE WILDLIFE THAT WE LIKE TO SEE KIND OF GOING AWAY AS, UH, EVEN A FLUSH MOUNT, UH, TOWER IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE AIR IS COMING IN AND IT BECOMES LOOK LIKE IT'S LOOKING MORE INDUSTRIAL THEN HILL COUNTRY. I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR. THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED OUTSIDE THE LOOP. AND IT'S BEGINNING TO LOOK A LOT MORE LIKE A BIG, UH, BIG NORTHERN CITY REALLY, UH, WITH ALL THE TOWERS EVERYWHERE THAT HAVE POPPED UP OVER 2020. UM, BUT ALSO MORE THAN THAT, YES, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT PROPERTY VALUE. WE DO MOVE AROUND A LOT. WE ARE MILITARY, SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN DIFFERENT STATES. AND IT DOES AFFECT PROPERTY VALUE. I KNOW THAT, UM, MR. COOK PRESENTED THE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHICH I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER THAT AGAIN, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY APPROPRIATE. UM, AND I HOPE THAT Y'ALL CONSIDER THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING INTO HOW THIS AFFECTS THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. I KNOW THAT AS VERIZON SAID FOR THE, THE TEXT CAMPAIGN, UM, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING. SO I KNOW THAT HAPPENED AFTER WE'D ALREADY EXPRESSED OUR OPPOSITION. I JUST FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING THAT THERE WAS, UM, IN EXCESS OF 300 PEOPLE, UM, IN FAVOR OF, AND THEN NONE NOTED AS BEING OPPOSED DURING THE, AS BEING OPPOSED DURING THE TEXT CAMPAIGN. I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, INTERESTING BECAUSE WE, NOBODY IN MY HOUSEHOLD GOT, UM, ANYTHING TO OUR CELL PHONES. UH, BUT THEY HAVE KNOWN OUR NUMBERS, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THOROUGH THEY WERE. BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND TAKING YOUR TIME. I'M GONNA TAKE MY KIDS HOME NOW. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MS. POL TO DRIVE SAFELY, PLEASE. NATA KAUR, UH, MS. KAUR. YEAH, LIKE YOU, IT WAS HUSBAND. LET SEE. OKAY. LUCAS CONDI, YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES. ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'RE, WAIT, WE'RE GONNA GET TO YOU. I THINK DID, WAS THERE ANOTHER KAUR CANCELED MY NAME AND INSTEAD OF MY NAME YOU CANCELED THE HUSBAND, SIR. WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR NAME? MAN? MANISHH KAUR. OH, OKAY. IF HE WANTS TO TAKE MANISHH KAUR WILL TAKE YOU RIGHT NOW. YEP. IS HE UP? YEP. MR. KAUR, PLEASE COME UP, THEN WE'LL GO TO MR. CONTOUR, I BELIEVE. SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION FOLKS, BUT WE'LL EVENTUALLY GET IT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK MR. KAUR, IF YOU WOULD SAY YOUR NAME YES. YOUR ADDRESS. TELL US ABOUT. SO, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, MY NAME IS MANISHH KAUR AND I LIVE ON 3 3 1 PUEBLO PINTADO. AND THIS TOWER WILL BE, UH, NOT EVEN 200 FEET, THE SWIMMING POOL, UH, THAT YOU SEE AND YOU SEE THE, THE 200 FEET LINE KIND OF COMING TO THE, TO MY BEDROOM THERE. SO, UH, I APPLAUD THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR REACHING OUT TO US ON THIS CASE, AS IT SEEMED THAT, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THE VERIZON, UH, GUYS WERE, WERE, WERE NOT LOOKING AT US. AND WE ARE ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTED, UH, PEOPLE IN THIS, UH, IN THIS WHOLE THING. WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL BACKYARD SKYLINE, AND THIS TOWER IS GOING TO TAKE IT AWAY. THE MASSIVE 25 FOOT TOWER WILL BE A DOMINANT VIEW FROM THE BACKYARD, BEDROOM, [01:25:01] BREAKFAST AREA, LIVING ROOM. THIS IS SOMETHING WE DID NOT SIGN UP FOR. WE ARE ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE RADIATION WE'LL CONSTANTLY BE RECEIVING, UH, BEING SO CLOSE TO THE TOWER. UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT H O A HAS APPROVED THIS, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN OUR BACKYARD AND AFFECTING US MORE THAN OTHER DISTANT HOMEOWNERS. UH, WE ARE THE MOST IMPACTED. WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, THE MOST SAY JUST LIKE THE ZONING COMMISSION HAS ASKED US. THEY LOOKED AT WHO LIVED CLOSE BY, AND THEY'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTION RATHER THAN YOU'RE NOT SENDING A BROAD, UH, BROAD COMMUNICATION OUT, UH, TO EVERYBODY. AND I THINK OUTTA NINE PEOPLE, WHAT I HEARD WAS, UH, FIVE HAVE OPPOSED, AND THE FOLKS WHO HAVE NOT ARE, ARE THE HOUSES WHERE, OR THE LOTS THAT ARE EMPTY. THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE SEEN IT. AND, UH, SOME ARE H O A LOTS. SO THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE INTERESTED PARTY GETTING MONEY OUT OF THIS THING. SO THEY WOULD, I THINK I SHOULD NOT COUNT EITHER. UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES A DECISION HAS TO BE MADE, UH, IN THE BETTER GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH A MINORITY MAY SUFFER. BUT THIS IS NOT THAT ALTER. THERE ARE SEVERAL PROVIDERS WITH CELL SERVICES IN THAT AREA, JUST LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED. AND THIS IS A VERIZON PROBLEM, NOT AN AT AND T, NOT A T-MOBILE, UH, OR, OR ANYBODY ELSE. AND, UH, NOT A CITIZEN NEIGHBORHOOD PROBLEM MEANS THEY, THEY ARE GOING TO GET SERVICE, UH, UH, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, BUT DEFINITELY A VERIZON PROBLEM. UH, THIS DECISION WILL CHANGE OUR LIVES FOREVER. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ALL TO REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE MOST IMPACTED RATHER THAN THE TOWER COMPANY AND THE H O A, UH, WHO ARE GOING TO PROFIT FROM THIS DEAL. WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS BUILDING OF, UH, THE BUILDING OF THIS TOWER AND HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WILL SUPPORT US IN NOT HAVING THIS UGLY DOMINANT TOWER, UH, IN, IN OUR BACKYARD. UH, I, I GUESS THAT'S ALL. OH, PERFECT TIMING. THANK YOU GUYS. THAT WAS EXCELLENT TIMING. THANK YOU MR. KAUR. LUCAS KDI, I'M SORRY. COMBI. AND THEN YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES. YEAH. HELLO, LUCAS CONDOR. 3 4 7 CLEMENS AVENUE, NEW BRAUNFELS, TEXAS. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. HOPEFULLY I DON'T NEED THE FULL SIX MINUTES. UH, WANTED TO ADDRESS, UM, THE, SOME FACTS WITH YOU. UM, FIRST OFF, VERIZON HAS COMPLETED A A WITH A PARTNER, HAS COMPLETED A 10 YEAR STUDY. IT'S AN INDUSTRY PARTNER AND INDUSTRY STUDY. UM, THAT 10 YEAR STUDY, UM, EVALUATES 11 MILLION REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS IN RELATION TO PROXIMITY OF CELL PHONE TOWER AND WIRELESS FACILITIES. THAT STUDY SHOWS AN INCREASE OF, UH, OF HALF A PERCENT TO 15%. UM, IN A BROAD AREA IN METROPOLITAN AREAS IS 3% TO 15%. AND ON AVERAGE IT WAS, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS 7% ACROSS ALL. SO THE OPINION THAT CELL PHONE TOWERS LOWER YOUR RESIDENTIAL EVALUATION IS NOT A FACT-BASED STATEMENT. IT'S AN OPINION. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY, BUT US MILITARY ARMY BASES HAVE STUDIES AS WELL THAT SAY THE FIRST THING THAT PEOPLE DO AND THAT THEY WANT IN THEIR HOME IS WIRELESS COVERAGE. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT AND SAY, UM, WE DO WANT TO CONTINUE COVERAGE HERE. WE'VE HAD COVERAGE HERE FOR 18 YEARS FROM THE C P S LOCATION. UM, FROM THE REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE WORKED WITH C P S VERY CLOSELY. WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP THE FACILITY WHERE IT IS. UH, C P S WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDERING A LONG-TERM RENEWAL WITH US. THEY HAD IN PAST ASKED US TO GET OFF THE FACILITY. THEY'VE HAD SOME CHANGE IN DIRECTION. THEY CONSIDERED GOING BACK WITH US. THEY CONTACTED US ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND SAID, DUE TO ERCOT AND THE WINTER STORM, THIS FACILITY, THIS LINE IS A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE LINE. AND THEY'RE LO NO LONGER, UM, ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A TE A SAILOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS USE THERE. SO, UM, WE'VE WORKED, YOU KNOW, TIRELESSLY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS TO FIND A REPLACEMENT HERE UP UNTIL THIS MEETING, WORKING WITH C P S VERY CLOSELY TO GET THEM TO RECONSIDER AND, UH, REEVALUATE OUR USE AT THE EXISTING SITE. UM, AND THE USE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, RELOCATING ACROSS THE SUBDIVISION OR IN A NEW, IN A NEW PLACE. IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING PROXIMITY. IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING POWER LINES. AND FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT YOU GUYS WILL CONSIDER AND GIVE US APPROVAL, UM, TO, TO CONTINUE COVERAGE IN THIS AREA WHERE WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR LONGSTANDING AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BUILT OUR NETWORK AROUND IT. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THINGS WERE STATED AS FAR AS T-MOBILE AND AT AND T I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR COVERAGE [01:30:01] FOOTPRINT HERE WAS FOR THE LAST 17 OR 18 YEARS, BUT I CAN SAY VERIZON'S BEEN HERE FOR A LONG STAY AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BUILT OUR NETWORK AROUND THIS AREA. SO, UM, REMOVING A CRITICAL PIN, A LINCHPIN IN THE, IN, IN OUR NETWORK, UM, PUTS US AT A SEVERE DISADVANTAGE WHERE OTHER CARRIERS MAY HAVE BUILT AROUND AND ONLY COMMITTED TO THE COMMUNITY WITHIN THE LAST FIVE OR 10 YEARS THE WAY VERIZON HAS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. UM, IS THAT THREE OR SIX? THAT'S SIX. SIX, OKAY. I DON'T THINK IT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS THREE. THAT WAS THREE, THREE MINUTES. OKAY. RUN ANOTHER CLOCK PLEASE. SO, UM, THERE, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE IS A MIDDLE SCHOOL TO THE SOUTH THAT DOES HAVE FIRST RESPONDERS IN AND AROUND IT. I BELIEVE IT IS BOB EVANS MIDDLE SCHOOL. UH, LEMME GET THE NAME REAL QUICK. THIS SITE DOES OFFLOAD SOME TRAFFIC FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND IT'S, IT'S DUE SOUTH TO THE SITE. UM, AND SO THIS SITE DOES HELP WITH FIRST RESPONDER TRAFFIC IN AROUND THERE. UM, AS YOU HEARD ME SAY, C P SS IS DESIGNATED THIS LINE IN PARTICULAR AS A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE. WIRELESS FACILITIES ARE ALSO A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO, UM, WE COMPLY WITH ALL BIRD AVIATION, F C C, FEDERAL REGULATIONS FOR HEALTH AND HUMAN SAFETY, AS WELL AS THE AVIAN ACT. UM, EVERYTHING WE DO, WE COMPLY WITH THE F C C STANDARDS, WHICH INCLUDES AVIARY AND WILDLIFE STUDIES. SO WE WILL, WE WILL PUT FORWARD AND COMPLY WITH AVIARY STUDIES AFTER THE SITE'S BUILT. WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR ANY AVIARY NESTING ACTION OR ANYTHING WITH RELATION TO THE CELL PHONE TOWER OR THE AREA THAT WE'RE IN AND WE DON'T DISTURB. SO, UM, LET'S SEE HERE, . SO AGAIN, HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN VOTE WITH US TO KEEP COVERAGE HERE. IT'S NOT NEW COVERAGE. UM, WE'RE LOOKING JUST TO KEEP THE MINIMAL FOOTPRINT WE HAVE. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO OVERLY EXPAND OR ENCROACH ON PEOPLE. WE ARE DOING A FLUSH MOUNT AS OPPOSED TO A BRACKETED MOUNT. THE C P S TOWER TODAY HAS A BRACKETED MOUNT ON IT, SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PROPOSE IS OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD. UM, OTHER THING, THERE IS NO TOWER COMPANY INVOLVED HERE. THERE IS NO PROFIT FOR A TOWER COMPANY. THIS IS A VERIZON WIRELESS OWNED FACILITY. UH, WE'RE DOING IT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S CRITICAL TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND CRITICAL TO OUR NEEDS. UM, AND WE DID NOT WANT ANOTHER TOWER COMPANY OR ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION WITH A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE THIS. SO, UM, I'LL YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, THAT'S ALL THAT'S SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. ANY VOICEMAILS? NO VOICEMAILS TO PLAY. NO VOICEMAILS? OKAY. I DIDN'T THINK SO. UH, MR. GERARD, YOU'LL HAVE A SHORT TIME FOR REBUTTAL. THREE MINUTES. YES, SIR. THANKS. THAT IS NOT YOUR NAME. THAT IS YOUR COMPANY NAME, ISN'T IT? UH, BREATHE AGAIN. UH, THANK YOU. UH, REAL QUICKLY, A COUPLE OF THINGS. I WANT TO GO OVER THE RF, UH, SUMMARY. UM, SOMETHING THAT, THAT WASN'T LOADED UP FOR RYAN, GO TO THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE PLEASE. ONE MORE. SORRY. THERE IT IS. OKAY, SO THERE'S THE, THE EXISTING C P S SITE. YOU SEE THE RED SECTORS, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MR. WILKES WAS TALKING ABOUT. CAN YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC PLEASE? I'M SORRY. SO THE RED SECTORS BASICALLY THE, THE ALPHA BETA GAMMA, THE, THE ONE THAT'S POINTING MOSTLY TOWARDS THE ROOFTOPS ON TOP AND RIGHT IS ALMOST 200%. THAT'S UNHEARD OF REALLY. AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO UP UPGRADE THIS SITE BECAUSE, LIKE WHAT LUKE WAS SAYING WITH VERIZON, C P S HAS TO TURN THEIR POWER OFF. THEY'RE NOT GONNA TURN THEIR POWER OFF ON THIS THING. SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THAT IS, I'M TELLING YOU, THE RED IS, IS AVERAGE, THAT'S OPERATIONAL AND THAT'S WAY BELOW. UM, THE TRENDING LINE IS YELLOW. UM, IT IS, IS COMPLETELY OUTTA CAPACITY. WE EVEN HAS A C D M A, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE FLIP PHONES, BUT THOSE INTENDERS ARE STILL ON THERE. SO THEY NEED BADLY NEEDS UPGRADED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT OUR, OUR ISSUE, UM, VALUES. UM, I DID MY OWN STUDY, MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. I SENT YOU JACK DOWNEY'S INFORMATION TOO, BUT WE PUT A SITE YEARS AGO, 800 FEET FROM MY BACKYARD. I COULD SEE IT IN THE DRIVEWAY AND MY DECK EVERY DAY. UM, SO I JUST RAN SOME NUMBERS ON THAT. I THINK I SENT THAT TO YOU. UM, WANTED TO JUST CON, YOU KNOW, JUST CONFIRM TO MYSELF THAT THIS WASN'T HAPPENING. [01:35:01] UH, THE 9 1 1 CALLS, UM, TECHNICALLY MR. WILKES IS RIGHT. IF YOU PICK IT UP AND DIAL, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TO WHATEVER SERVER GOES TO. WE, WE HAVEN'T PRACTICED THAT, BUT HERE'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. BARE METRO THAT HANDLES ALL 9 1 1 CALLS HAS TO HAVE A CLEAR TRIANGULATION LOCATION OF YOUR AREA TO GET A PICTURE ON THAT SCREEN, WHATEVER, UH, SERVER THEY'RE USING OR PROGRAM TO SEE WHERE YOU'RE AT. IT'S GOTTA BE A STRONG SIGNAL. UM, UH, REGULATORY IS DONE. UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IS DONE. AND, UM, WE JUST HAVE, WE'RE JUST OUTTA CAPACITY AS YOU CAN SEE UP THERE. UM, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I, I'M, I'M AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, THIS IS AGAIN, A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE. DR. ROMEO, YOU PICKED THE SHORT STRAW TODAY. UH, BUT IF YOU WOULD, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR ANYONE ELSE, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO START, UM, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY WHO WAS HERE WITH US, IF YOU COULD, UM, AND I'M SORRY IF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID THIS LAST TIME WHEN I WASN'T HERE, AND TO THE EXTENT IT'S APPROPRIATE, CAN YOU GIVE US A BACKGROUND ON THE FEDERAL LAW ON THIS TOPIC? I SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THIS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE IS A REQUEST TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, TO GET ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE CITY OF ATTORNEY TO, UH, THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THE TIME IS CURRENTLY 2 44. WE WILL BE BE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION UNTIL WE ARE CALLED BACK TO ORDER. PLEASE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE RESTROOM, STRETCH YOUR LEGS, DO THINGS LIKE THAT. I DO NOT ANTICIPATE IT WILL BE FEWER THAN 10 MINUTES. SO TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, UH, TIME IS 2 44 AND WE ARE IN RECESS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. THANK YOU. UH, THE TIME IS NOW 3:07 PM ON, UH, NOVEMBER 2ND, 2021. THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOW RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION. NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND WE WILL CONTINUE. UH, DR. ROMERO, I BELIEVE WE ARE STILL ON WITH NO, THAT'S RIGHT. I'M IN MY MIDDLE OF MY QUESTIONS, AREN'T I? YES, DOCTOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR SAS. PLEASE FORGOT ABOUT YOU. YES, MA'AM. CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THE, THE BUFFER THAT HAS TO GO BETWEEN THE, UM, TOWER AND THE, UM, THE SOLUTION FEATURES? RIGHT. THE, SO THERE, THERE WAS TWO, UH, ENLARGED, UH, FRACTURE ZONES. UM, THE BUFFER THAT, THAT WAS REQUIRED IS A HUNDRED FOOT. HOWEVER, EVEN WITH THE BUFFER THERE, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE ONE IS GONNA BE THE FARTHEST ONE IS GONNA BE 400 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED PAD SITE, AND THE CLOSEST ONE WILL BE 330 FEET FROM THE PAD SITE. SO THERE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE WELL, UH, FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE PAD SITE. OKAY, THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . AND, UM, MR. HEER, IT'S VINCE HERE. SO I THINK, UH, IT'S MR. HUBINGER HUBER. YES. ALL HUBINGER HUBUB. HUBINGER HUBINGER. HE, I THINK HE CAN CORRECT US. UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, UM, YOU AGREE WITH THAT, WITH, UM, THE BUFFER THAT WILL, UM, THAT YOUR SITE PLAN PUTS BETWEEN THE RECHARGE FEATURES AND THE TOWER WILL BE WELL BEYOND THE 100 FOOT WELL BEYOND? YEAH, WE WALKED IT WITH SAWS. UM, WE MAPPED THEM AND WE SURVEYED THEM. SO THEY'RE SHOWN ON, UH, THAT OVERALL SITE PLAN. OKAY. UM, MY SECOND QUESTION WAS, IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THIS, WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS, UM, WHY CAN'T VERIZON BE A TENANT ON THE AT AND T TOWER? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD ADDRESS? THE AT T TOWER IS THAT ONE TO THE NORTH ON KYLE SEAL PARKWAY THAT ONE OF THE OWNERS BROUGHT UP? YES. THAT IS ACTUALLY A VERIZON TOWER. WE PUT THAT UP ABOUT IT. ACTUALLY, IT WENT ON AIR ABOUT A WEEK AGO. WE FOUND THAT ONE IN SEARCHING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE SITE TO THIS, BUT IT DOESN'T COVER ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT COVERS MOSTLY THAT AREA BEHIND THE GOLF COURSE AND TO THE NORTHWEST SIDE. OKAY. BUT GENERICALLY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT EVER HAPPENS THAT YOU WOULD, NOT JUST HERE, BUT ANYWHERE YOU WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A NEW SITE FOR VERIZON AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING ON AN AT AND T TOWER, FOR EXAMPLE? OH, YES. YES MA'AM. THEY, THEY PLAY A LOT BETTER TOGETHER NOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE COMPETITIVE. UM, [01:40:01] UH, THEY LOOK AT ANY AND ALL OPTIONS AS WE DID VERTICAL OPTIONS. IF THERE WAS A WATER TOWER OR SOMETHING IN SONOMA, WE WOULD, WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK, CONSIDER THAT. SO THEY DO WELL TOGETHER WITH COLOS. OKAY. AND THEN LAST, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT FLUSH MOUNT IS? , LET ME SHOW YOU. CAN YOU PUT THIS ON THIS? SO FLUSH MOUNT, THEY'RE GONNA PUT THIS ON THE SCREEN. FLUSH MOUNT IS TO THE LEFT. YOU SEE THE EXISTING SITE, UH, DOCTOR GOT THAT ANTENNA ARRAY THAT'S MORE ESTABLISHED AND AND PRONOUNCED. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TRY TO PUT, YOU KNOW, SIX TO NINE ANTENNAS UP THERE AT FULL CAPACITY. FLUSH MOUNT IS THAT, AND THAT'S A PHOTO SIM ON THE RIGHT WITH THE C P SS SITE MOVED. AND SO THEY COME IN WITH, WITH SHORTER, TIGHTER BRACKETS, UH, TO FIT THOSE ANTENNAS ON THERE. WHAT THEY DO IS THEY HAVE TO DROP DOWN AGAIN FOR THE NEXT SECTION AND PUT THREE MORE. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK AS, I GUESS, PRONOUNCED AS, AS A STANDARD ANTENNA ARRAY. SO THAT'S A FLUSH MOUNT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU DR. ROMEO. QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES, I COULD YOU COME BACK? I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YES, MA'AM. YES. UM, SO IN THE, THE PHOTO THAT YOU JUST HAD UP, YOU SHOWED THE CELL, THE PROPOSED CELL PHONE TOWER NEXT TO THE KINDA EXISTING TRANSMISSION LINES. RIGHT. COULD YOU GIMME AN IDEA OF WHAT THE HEIGHT IS OF THAT CELL PHONE TOWER AND WHAT THE HEIGHT IS OF THE TRANSMISSION LINES? IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT. WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO STAY EXACTLY THE SAME FOR OPTIMAL COVERAGE. SO ON C P S, THAT'S 1 75, WE'RE AT ONE 70, ROUGHLY THE SAME. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST ONE MORE QUESTION, UM, FOR YOU, AND THAT IS, UM, IS VERIZON REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE F C C REQUIREMENTS, UM, FOR EMISSION OF RADIO WAVES OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT? OH YES. THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY STRINGENT ABOUT THOSE REQUIREMENTS. THEY, THEY COMPLY WITH IT. THEY, THEY TEST IT. THEY, UH, MAKE SURE THEY CAN'T EVEN GO ON AIR IF IT'S, IF IT'S, IF IT'S ABOVE THE STANDARD. AND SOMETHING I WAS READING THE OTHER DAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOVE THE STANDARD WAY, OR I'M SORRY, BELOW THE STANDARD OF, OF THE F C C COMPLIANCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION FOR ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, MR. MCDONAL. SORRY. YES, MA'AM. THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT, UM, THE FIRES. MM-HMM. , SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S, THAT, THAT AREA IS A HIGH RISK FOR FIRES. MM-HMM. , DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE RATE, OR IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY FIRES THAT HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY A CELL PHONE TOWER? SO IT'S NOT THE CELL PHONE TOWER IN, IN ITSELF, THAT'S GONNA CAUSE THE FIRES, WHAT'S GONNA CALL JUST LIKE PG AND E THEIR TOWER, THE, THE, UH, IN CALIFORNIA, THEIR ELECTRICAL LINES DIDN'T CAUSE THE FIRES. WHAT HAPPENED IS THERE WAS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAD A SHORT, THEY HAD AN EXTERNAL INCIDENT HAPPENED. SO WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE CONSTRUCTING THEIR TOWERS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME WELDING OR A BIGGER ONE. UH, DO YOU GUYS REMEMBER ABOUT A YEAR OR TWO AGO, WE HAD A TORNADO THAT CAME THROUGH THE NORTH SIDE. MY CREW ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO THAT. IF THAT TOWER GOES UP, I GUARANTEE YOU IF THAT TORNADO HITS AT THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IT'S GONNA HIT THOSE LINES. THOSE LINES ARE GONNA FALL AND CREATE A SPARK, AND THAT SPARK'S GONNA LIGHT IT OFF. UM, IT DOES HAVE A VERY HIGH GRASS AND JUNIPER COMPONENT, WHICH ARE USED TO CARRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, WE'LL SEE, BUT THANK YOU. MR. MCCONNELL WILL CALL YOU BACK UP. SHOULD ANOTHER COMMISSIONER HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER TO MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER FUENTES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, SO IN DETERMINING THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THIS AREA, UH, HAD Y'ALL CONSIDERED USING, UH, SMALL CELL SITES THROUGHOUT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GIVE YOU THE SAME COVERAGE? YES AND NO. UM, GOOD QUESTION FOR STAFF. I DON'T THINK SMALL CELLS ARE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL STREETS, LOCAL STREETS FROM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF THE CODE. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE LIMITING FACTORS. THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE, IT, IT WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, TALK TO RYAN MARTIN AND, AND THE RF TEAM ALSO TAKE ABOUT 70 SITES TO COVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO JUST COMPLETELY UNPRODUCTIVE. [01:45:01] AND IT'D STILL BE THE, THE SAME FREQUENCY, THE 700 MEGAHERTZ ON THOSE VERSUS THE, THE MONOPOLE, IF THAT WAS A, A VIABLE, LET ME, LET ME LET LUKE ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU. SO, UM, SMALL CELLS ARE CAPABLE OF ALL THE SAME FREQUENCIES ON MACRO SITES. WE DON'T DEPLOY, UH, ULTRA WIDE BAND MILLIMETER WAVE. SO THE, THE MACRO SITE WOULD ACTUALLY NOT HAVE MILLIMETER WAVE ON IT. UM, IT WOULD HAVE 700 2100. UH, VERIZON DOES NOT HAVE EIGHT 50 IN THIS MARKET, WHICH IS A TELLTALE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VERIZON, AT AND T AND T-MOBILE WHO DO HAVE EIGHT 50. UM, BUT THE MACRO SITE, UM, BOTH ALL INFRASTRUCTURE'S CAPABLE OF ALL THE SAME. VERIZON DOES NOT DEPLOY ULTRA WIDEBAND BECAUSE IT'S A ULTRA, IT GOES ABOUT 100 TO 300 FEET. SO IT WOULDN'T BE A BENEFIT TO DEPLOY AT THIS SITE. THANK YOU. SO THAT'D BE THE FIVE G. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FUENTES. COMMISSIONER TO MY LEFT. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SIPES, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, YES SIR. I I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, UM, YOU HAD SHOWN A PHOTO JUST RECENTLY THAT SHOWED THE, UH, LIKE AN EXISTING C P S TOWER AND THE NEW PROPOSED YEAH, THE PHOTO SIMULATION OF WHAT IT, WHERE IT WOULD'VE BEEN. OKAY, SO THAT WAS A PHOTO SIMULATION? YES. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS PART OF MY, I WAS CURIOUS IF THAT WAS AN EXISTING AT ANOTHER LOCATION? NO. OR IF THAT WAS WHAT IS LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW? SO THE TOP PORTION, WHICH IS OF THE NON FLUSH MOUNT, I GUESS FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, IS WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE EXISTING C C P SS TOWER. CORRECT. THAT'S THE STANDARD ANTENNA ARRAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE. WE'RE GONNA USE THAT. THE FLUSH IMPACTED. OKAY. AND THE SECOND QUESTION WAS IN REGARDS TO THE, THE, THE FIRE CONCERN THAT WAS, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. UM, WHEN CONSTRUCTING THIS TOWER FOR, FOR WELDING ACTIVITIES, DO YOU EMPLOY ANY SORT OF LIKE FIRE WATCH? I KNOW, UM, AND THIS JUST COMES FROM MY BACKGROUND, UM, WHEN WE WOULD SPECIFY ROOFS, THE OLD STYLE, WE WOULD ASK FOR A FIRE WATCH BECAUSE OF THE DANGER OF FIRE IS DO Y'ALL HAVE SOMEONE OUT THERE THAT'S, THAT'S ENSURING THAT THAT, UM, THAT SOMETHING DOES NOT OCCUR? IN OTHER WORDS, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M MAKING THIS QUESTION JUST, JUST A PRECAUTIONARY THING. YES, YES. UM, GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE IT, IT IS, UH, AN OPEN AREA. UM, WE DON'T, IN A CONSTRUCTION ELEMENT, I DO GET INTO QUITE A BIT TOO WITH THE, WITH THE PERMITS AND STANDARDS. UM, WE DON'T DEPLOY ANYTHING EXTRA IN AN AREA OPEN LIKE THIS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE COULDN'T, UH, PUT A, SOME KIND OF A CAUTIONARY TEAM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THIS AREA. DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE RARELY HAVE FIRES. UM, MOST OF THEM THAT I'VE SEEN ON THE PUBLICATIONS INSIDE TOWER STUFF THAT WE GET ARE, ARE CAUSED BY OTHER PEOPLE ARSON, STUFF LIKE THAT IN THE FIVE G SCARE, SO TO SPEAK. SO, UM, BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD LOOK INTO PUTTING A CAUTIONARY SITUATION. UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO, WHAT TO, UH, DO THERE, BUT MAYBE HAVE SOMEBODY ON, ON STAFF WITH THE GC. YEAH, IT'S BA BASICALLY JUST ANOTHER PAIR OF EYES IS RIGHT WHAT IT ENDS UP BEING. RIGHT. FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? TO MY RIGHT? COMMISSIONER'S REMOTE QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, MA'AM. AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A NEED, UM, FOR THE COMMUNICATION TOWERS, ET CETERA. I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY WAY SPRINT, I'M SORRY, NOT SPRINT. VERIZON COULD LOOK AT USING A SIMILAR MODEL. THERE IS A COMMUNICATIONS TOWER ON HENER ROAD AROUND SOTO CREEKWAY, IF YOU WILL, AND IT REALLY JUST LOOKS LIKE A POLE STICKING OUT OF THE GROUND. ALL OF THE AREA ARE MOUNTED INSIDE THAT, UM, DEVICE OR CON CONSTRUCTED, UM, TOWER, IF YOU WILL. YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT ANCHORED TO THE OUTSIDE. IS THERE A REASON WHY VERIZON CAN'T GO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, ACTUALLY THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL COMMITTEE APPROVED THE FLUSH MOUNT AND WHAT THEY CALL, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE UNI POLL. SO IT'S, IT'S UP TO US TO, TO DETERMINE WHICH ONE IS THE BEST, UH, [01:50:01] PROVIDER OF COMMUNICATIONS. NOW THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE CAN PUT THE RADIO HEADS AND SOME OTHER, UH, EQUIPMENT UP ON TOP OF A FLUSH MOUNT THAT WON'T FIT INTO THE UNI POLE. THE UNI POLE STARTS GETTING TO BE SO WIDE AT THE BASE, UM, AND IT'S STRUCTURALLY HAS TO BE WIDE UP THERE AT THE TOP THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO, TO PUT ALL THAT ANTENNA INFORMATION IN OR THAT ANTENNA, UH, CONNECTED TO A UNI POLE. BUT THAT IS AN OPTION. IT JUST DOESN'T COVER AS MUCH BETTER. WE WOULD PREFER DOING THE FLUSH MOUNTS. OKAY. UM, WELL THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, UM, SUGGEST MAYBE Y'ALL CONSIDER IN TRYING TO REACH SOME KIND OF A COMPROMISE WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE IMPACTED WITH YOU CLOSE TO THEIR, UH, PROPERTY LINES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? REMOTE? SEEING NONE. SECOND ROUND TO MY RIGHT TO MY LEFT. ALRIGHT. REMOTE, YOU WERE JUST CALLED ON, SO HOPEFULLY NOT. ALRIGHT. IN THAT CASE, COMMISSIONER ROMERO TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I WANNA THANK ALL THE NEIGHBORS FOR COMING OUT. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS AND I HEAR YOU. I ALSO WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING HERE IS LAND USE. AND I DON'T SEE THIS AS AN INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE. I WOULD ASK, UH, MR. HUBINGER TO POSSIBLY CONSIDER, UM, THE UNI OPTION GOING FORWARD, BUT I AM NOT MANDATING THAT FROM UP HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE APPROVE IT, UM, THIS, THAT, THAT IS THE LAND USE AND IF YOU HAVE SOME OPTIONS WITHIN THAT APPROVED LAND USE, UM, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THOSE OPTIONS WOULD BE AND IF YOU, UH, COULD CONSIDER HAVING, UM, WHATEVER WE ENDED UP CALLING IT A CAUTIONARY TEAM THERE, UM, UH, FOR ANY POTENTIAL FIRE ISSUES, UM, WHEN IT'S INSTALLED. UH, SO I AM GOING TO MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY DR. ROMERO FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? THERE IS A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UM, ALRIGHT. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. YES, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER ROMEO THAT WE'RE HAVING TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT CERTAIN FACTORS. AND ONE OF THE FACTORS I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT HERE IS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE FACTOR AND THE FACT THAT, UM, FOR THE WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS CELL SERVICE AND COVERAGE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. NOT JUST FOR THE WELFARE, BUT FOR THE SAFETY. WE HEARD EARLIER ABOUT THE 9 1 1 CALLS. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT, IT IS, DOES NOT LOOK THE BEST. UM, IT IS NOT THE MOST BEAUTIFUL USE OF THAT, OF THAT LAND, BUT ALSO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE ALREADY EXISTING TRANSMISSION LINES GOING THROUGH THAT AREA. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USE THERE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE, YOU'VE BEEN HOLDING YOUR SCOUTS ON OR SIGN UP FOR QUITE SOME TIME. YES, THANKS. UM, I, I WANNA ECHO, UH, THE THOUGHTS OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND, AND, BUT I WANNA START BY JUST SAYING THANK YOU, UM, TO ALL THE CITIZENS THAT THAT SHOWED UP. I MEAN, TO ME, THEIR PRESENTATIONS, UH, TODAY WERE, WERE REALLY FANTASTIC. UM, SORT OF DEMOCRACY AND ACTION. AND, AND, AND I LOVE WHEN, WHEN CITIZENS COME TOGETHER, UH, AROUND THE COMMON CAUSE AND, AND, AND SHOW UP TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND PRESENT SO WELL. UM, I THOUGHT THAT AGAIN, THE PRESENTATIONS WERE GREAT AND FRANKLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN MORE, MORE PERSUASIVE FOR ME, UH, THAN, THAN THE VERIZON, UH, PRESENTATION, WHICH WAS ALSO OF COURSE, UH, AS WE WOULD EXPECT PROFESSIONAL AND, AND, AND VERY WELL DONE. UM, THAT SAID A A AS, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AND ROMERO SAID, SAID EARLIER, UM, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THIS FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE. UH, THIS CASE REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT OF OTHER CASES THAT WE HAVE MORE COMMONLY WHERE THERE'S BIG, OPEN, EMPTY LOTS AND PEOPLE LOVE IT. YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, OH, WE'RE LIVING ON A NICE GREEN BELT AND THINGS. BUT THE REALITY THERE IS THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE, ARE OWNED BY SOMEBODY. AND, AND IF SOMEBODY HAS, UH, THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEM, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE. AND, AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S JUST THE QUESTION FOR US IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE LAND USE OR NOT. UM, [01:55:01] I I VERY MUCH SYMPATHIZE WITH THE CITIZENS, UH, REGARDING THE, THE EYESORE THAT, THAT THE CELL TOWER WILL BE. UM, BUT AGAIN, FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE AND, AND THAT'S THE, THE REASON I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? UM, I'M GOING TO REITERATE AGAIN WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITE, COMMISSIONER O'NEAL AND COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAVE SAID. 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE SPOKEN. UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. I KNOW THAT THESE DECISIONS ARE HARD, THEY'RE HARD FOR ALL OF US UP HERE. UH, I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED TODAY, MOST LIKELY, AND YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY FOR THAT. KEEP BEING ACTIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY IN YOUR CITY, UH, BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT AND YOU CERTAINLY TAUGHT US A GREAT DEAL TODAY, NO MATTER THE OUTCOME. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS TIME. THANK YOU FOR COMING. LAST TIME THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER OAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIT? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR ANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES US APPROVAL. THANK YOU ALL AGAIN. UM, STAFF, IF [4. (Continued from 10/05/2021) ZONING CASE Z202110700214 (Council District 3)] WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEM, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ROLAND ALATE, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICE. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS LOCATED AT 9,400 BLOCK OF SOUTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10 GOING FROM I ONE TO MF 33 WITH ALL OVERLAYS STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 16 NOTICES SENT OUT. ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. FIVE WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. THE VILLA CORONADO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN IS IN OPPOSITION NINE. WERE IN FAVOR OUTSIDE THE 200 SQUARE FEET. 362 WERE OPPOSED OUTSIDE THE 200 SQUARE FEET. UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S AN ONLINE POSITION PETITION IN OPPOSITION FOR IN EXCESS OF 690 SIGNATURES. SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE STINSON AIRPORT VICINITY LAND USE PLAN, AND IS DESIGNATED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE EXISTING I ONE IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED MF 33 IS APPROPRIATE AND OFFERS A TRANSITION BETWEEN R SIX AND NP 10 ZONING AND USES IT ALSO PROVIDES AN ALTERNATIVE HOUSING OPTION FOR THE AREA STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE TO CALL SAS THIS TIME, SO IF THE APPLICANT WOULD COME FORWARD, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US WHY YOU'RE SEEKING THE ZONING REQUEST. PLEASE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND FOR YOUR SERVICE. MY NAME IS JOSE GALLEGOS. I RESIDE AT TWO 14 WEST ACADEMY, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, 7 8 2 2 6. UH, THIS HAS BEEN OF COURSE, AS YOU WELL KNOW, A VERY LONG AND, AND QUITE COMPREHENSIVE AND, AND I THINK OBJECTIVE, UH, REVIEW OF, OF MY APPLICATION. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, MR. JULIO GONZALEZ, LONGTIME, UH, RESIDENT OF THE SOUTH SIDE BUSINESS OWNER. AND IN FACT, I'D LIKE TO, UH, POINT OUT THAT HE IS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE SOUTH SIDE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. SO HE HAS A LONG HISTORY IN THE SOUTH SIDE. UH, MR. GONZALEZ HAS BEEN, UH, APPROACHED, UH, FOR THE PURCHASE OF HIS, UH, PROPERTY. UH, AND AS SUCH, UH, THE PLAN IS TO, UH, DOWN ZONE IT FROM THE CURRENT I ONE, WHICH IS INDUSTRIAL AND POTENTIALLY VERY, UH, OFFENSIVE, UH, AND DETRIMENTAL TO THE AREA, UH, GIVEN ITS [02:00:01] HISTORICAL, UH, PROXIMITY, UH, TO ITS SITE. UM, HE'S BEEN APPROACHED IN THE PAST, UH, FOR THE PURCHASE OF THAT PROPERTY, UH, WITHOUT ANY SUGGESTED PLANS. HOWEVER, HE'S HELD OUT AND LOST CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF, UH, OF REVENUE, UH, UH, UH, BECAUSE HE IS VERY LOYAL, UH, TO THE SOUTH SIDE. AND, UH, SO CONSEQUENTLY AS A RESULT OF THIS PARTICULAR PRO BUYER WHO WANTS TO BUILD, UH, NOT MORE, AND HE'S COMMITTED TO BUILDING NOT MORE THAN 350, UH, UNITS, UH, OR DOORS AS THEY, AS THEY SAY, UH, WHETHER THEY BE, UH, APARTMENTS OR CONDOMINIUMS. UM, UH, HE DECIDED TO TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, APPLY FOR REZONING. AND I'M HIS REPRESENTATIVE. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS, UH, UH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, A VERY BASIC, UH, LAND USE, UH, PROPOSITION. UH, WHAT IS GOOD AND PROPER REZONING. AND, UH, AS WAS POINTED OUT BY THE PRESENTATION OF STAFF, UH, THE PLANNED AMENDMENT, UH, WAS APPROVED. STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, AND AS SUCH, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED OUR REQUEST FOR A PLANNED AMENDMENT. UH, AND AS SUCH, THE STAFF FOR ZONING IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. NOW I WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY, UH, UH, OPEN AND, AND VERY DILIGENT IN OUR ATTEMPT TO TALK TO THE RESIDENTS, THE, UH, NEARBY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND, AND AS SUCH TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND ATTENDED SEVERAL, UH, OF THEIR MEETINGS. UH, I'VE ALSO TAKEN THE LIBERTY OF DOING, UH, ONSITE, UH, CANVASSING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT CALLED THE GEORGIAN PLACE, WHICH IS REALLY DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS, UH, PROPOSED CHANGE IN ZONING. I HAVE A PETITION HERE, BY THE WAY. WE HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, UH, LAST WEEK. IT WAS, UH, FAIRLY WELL ATTENDED. I THINK WE HAD, UH, ABOUT 20 PEOPLE, 20 RESIDENTS FROM THE IMMEDIATE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FROM THE GEORGIAN PLACE. AS A RESULT OF THAT, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT, UH, FOR THE RECORD 15, UH, UM, REQUEST FORMS FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING IN SUPPORT OF OUR PETITION. UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, GOOD AND PROPER ZONING, UH, AND I THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK YOU'LL SEE FIT THAT, UH, WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. UH, AS BEEN STATED, IT, IT CREATES A BUFFER FROM THE SINGLE MEMBER OR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA'S. ALSO ALONG A MAJOR THEFOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOUTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10. UH, THE BROOK CITY BLA, UH, HAS GONE ON RECORD INDICATING THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN THE AREA. AS SUCH, THE SOUTH SIDE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AS WELL HAS BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH US NOW. UH, I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSION IN THE PAST ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PERHAPS THAT IS GOING TO BE GENERATED INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WHILE I THINK THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SATISFY TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT. AND THE DEVELOPER HAS GONE OUT AND GONE ON RECORD IS SAYING THAT, UH, HE LIKED TO, UH, PERHAPS DO RESTRICTIVE, UH, EGRESS AND INGRESS TO THE PROPERTY, UH, IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY OR THE NORTHERN, UH, BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY. UM, WE, UH, WE FEEL AGAIN THAT, UH, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT IS, UH, THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE RESIDENTS, THEY'LL HAVE AMPLE TIME TO HAVE INPUT ONCE THE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED. UH, SITE PLANS, TRAFFIC PLANS, DRAINAGE STUDIES, AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, REQUIRED BY THE CITY, UH, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ANY PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT THERE. SO, UH, AGAIN, WITHOUT DELAYING THE CASE, I'D LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT AND REQUEST, UH, APPROVAL OF OUR REQUEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. GALLEGOS. UH, ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD ON [02:05:01] THIS ITEM? SO THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK IS ROSEMARY ANGUIANO. OKAY. MS. ANGUIANO, IF YOU WOULD SAY YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND IF ANYONE IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THEIR TIME, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. AND THEN TELL US YOUR POSITION ON THIS ZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ROSEMARY ANGUIANO ZUNIGA, 2 38 BUSILLO DRIVE, TWO BLOCKS NORTH OF MISSION SAN JOSE. I'M A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF THE MISSIONS. UM, WE ARE AGAINST THE HIGH DENSITY, UM, THOUGH THIS REZONING, UH, AND ALSO I'M READING ON BEHALF OF TER IBANEZ AND OUR MISSION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, THOUGH THIS REZONING FOR CASE 1 0 7 0 0 2 1 4 IS NOT NEXT TO A MISSION, IT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE, UH, FOR THE MF 33 NEXT TO AN EXIA MISSION. SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BELIEVES THAT THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SHOULD BE PROTECTING THE OUTSTANDING UNIVERSAL VALUE OF ALL HISTORICAL ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD HERITAGE SITE. WE MUST PROTECT THE AS SECCHIA FROM THE PROPOSED HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES TO PROTECT THE AS SECCHIA FROM ENCROACHING DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD HARM ITS HISTORICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE. AND THE STRUCTURES SHOULD BE LESS THAN, UH, WITH LESS DENSITY. THE COMMISSION'S DECISION WILL AFFECT THE FUTURE PROTECTION OF ALL THE MISSIONS. BE MINDFUL OF THE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES OF STATUS QUO DEVELOPMENT, AND CHOOSE SMART AND CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY CAN LOOK BACK ON WITH PRIDE THAT OUR WORLD HERITAGE SITES WERE PROTECTED. ONE CLEAR EXAMPLE THAT I CAN GIVE AT ONE TIME, MY DAD, ROBERTO ANO A, UM, VERY BIG ADVOCATE FOR THE BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE SOUTH SIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I STILL LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY CLOSE TO MISSION SAN JOSE. UH, IF IT WEREN'T FOR HIM AND A HANDFUL OF FOLKS WHO FOUGHT FOR, UM, THE LIBRARY WHERE THE MISSION MARQUEE IS AT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE WHAT WE HAVE THE GYM NOW THAT'S THERE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION NOW WITH THE RESTORED MARQUEE, UH, SCREEN. UH, HE, WE ALSO HAD A VISION FOR THE LIBRARY FOR OUR FOLKS THAT ARE, UM, OF, I GUESS OF THE SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS THAT I WASN'T RAISED WITH. UH, BUT THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE, ALL THE SECTION EIGHT APARTMENTS AROUND THE AREA, MY DAD KNEW THAT WE NEEDED TO IMPROVE THE AREA FOR THESE FUTURE GENERATIONS. ALSO, THE Y M C A IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT MY DAD WAS, UH, PART OF THE GRASSROOTS FOLKS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE, BELIEVE AND SEE IN OUR VISION IS WHAT'S GONNA BE BEST FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS AND TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE BEAUTY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE MISSIONS AND TO PROTECT THE AIA. IN FACT, THERE'S AN AIA THAT RUNS NEXT TO MY PARENTS' PROPERTY ON BUSILLO DRIVE, OF WHICH I GREW UP NEXT TO AND MOVED BACK TO MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. SO DEFINITELY PROTECTING THOSE THINGS OF THE WORLD HERITAGE DISTRICT IS IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. ANGUIANO. NEXT, TOBY BOWMAN. HELLO, MY NAME IS TOBY BOWMAN. I LIVE, UH, AT 32 39 SCARLET O'HARA. I'M IN THE GEORGIAN PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FEET, SO I DON'T HAVE THE, UH, SPECIAL VOTING RIGHTS, BUT, UH, IT STILL WOULD AFFECT US. UM, I HAVE SOME OF THIS WRITTEN DOWNS FROM MY FIVE MINUTES APART. UM, SO I'M AGAINST IT. UM, I WOULD LIKE THE OWNER TO PROVIDE TWO THINGS. ONE OF THOSE IS AN IRREVOCABLE ONE FOOT EASEMENT ACCESS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ALSO AN IRREVOCABLE TYPE B LANDSCAPING BUFFER AGAINST THE R ZONING PROPERTIES. AND OF COURSE, THIS SHOULD BE DONE BY LEGAL INSTRUMENT AND RECORDED WITH THE BEXAR COUNTY. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR ABOUT 35 YEARS. WE HAVE ABOUT 211 HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ONLY TWO ACCESS POINTS TO ACCESS PUBLIC STREETS. THIS, I ROUGHLY PUT ABOUT TWO CARS OR WHATEVER PER HOUSEHOLD, SO I COME OUT TO MAYBE RIDE ABOUT 500 CARS ALREADY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE ZONING PROPERTY, THE, THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY, OF COURSE, GOING TO AN A MULTIFAMILY IS BETTER THAN THE INDUSTRIAL USE, OBVIOUSLY. UM, BUT, UM, LOOKING AT IT FOR TRAFFIC WISE IS WHAT I'M VERY NERVOUS ABOUT [02:10:01] IS WHAT I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH. UM, THE, UH, THE MF 33 ON A 23 ACRE PARCEL COULD MAXIMUM BRINGS 759 APARTMENTS TO OUR AREA. UM, SO IF THEY'RE ONLY WANTING THREE 50, MF 18 WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, ZONING. SO I AVERAGE THAT FOR THE CARS TO BE AT THAT OTHER MAXIMUM AT THE 750 TO BE 1,500 CARS THAT'S GONNA BE ACCESSING THAT PROPERTY. NOW THAT, UM, THEIR FRONTAGE ALONG FOUR 10 IS ROUGHLY WHAT I MEASURED IT, 750 FEET THAT POSSIBLY, THIS IS OF COURSE TXDOT RIGHT AWAY, BUT THEY POSSIBLY ARE ABLE TO PUT TWO ACCESS POINTS, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE REQUIRED FOR THAT UP THERE. BUT, UH, THE CONVENIENCE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HEY, IF I WAS LIVING THERE, I WOULD WANT THE SAME CONVENIENCE TO CUT THROUGH THIS ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD TO ACCESS ALL THE STORES AND, AND, UH, CONVENIENCE STORES THAT ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THERE ARE ALSO, UM, JUST FOR AN OPTION FOR THEM, THERE ARE TWO LARGE PARCELS, ONE OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ONE IS OWNED BY THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY GET AN EASEMENT ACCESS FOR THAT. THE OTHER PART OF THIS, UM, FOR THE BUFFER, UH, SINCE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR SO LONG, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER BE PROVIDED AGAINST THE OUR ZONING. SO IN CONCLUSION, I, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT IF THEY COULD PROVIDE THOSE TWO ITEMS FOR US. THAT IRREVOCABLE RIGHT EASEMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. BOWMAN. NEXT I HAVE IS OLGA MARTINEZ. HI, MY NAME IS OLGA MARTINEZ, 1522 SANEL 7 8 2 1 4. I WAS HERE BEFORE. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE, UH, WE ASKED TO COMPROMISE TO AN M F 18 ON OUR MEETING ON, UH, OCTOBER 18TH. THAT WAS REJECTED. WE ASKED FOR A DEEDED RESTRICTION THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY THE ZONING COMMISSION. THAT WAS AN IMMEDIATE NO, NO DISCUSSION WOULD BE HELD. WE TIED COMPROMISING EVEN WITH NO PROJECT PLANS ON THE TABLE, NOTHING WAS SHOWN. THEY SAID THEY'RE BUILDING 350 APARTMENTS WITH AN M F 18 THAT WE WERE COMPROMISING WITH. THEY COULD BUILD UP TO 360. THE PROBLEM IS ZONED MF 33, WHETHER THEY BILLED THE 350 APARTMENTS OR NOT, AS MANY AS 660 APARTMENTS CAN BE BUILT ON 20 ACRES. IF IT'S 23, IT'D BE MORE. IT CAN COME UP IF THE PROPERTY IS LA LATER SOLD TO SOMEONE ELSE, IF THEY BUILT 350 FINE. BUT IF IT'S AN MF 33 AND THEY SELL IT, THEN THEY CAN COME IN AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH THAT PROPERTY. WITH THEM NOT WANTING TO COMPROMISE WITH US, THEN SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING ON. THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S SIMPLY NOT THERE. THEY SAID THE FIRST EXIT WAS SOUTH END. THE FIRST EXIT GOING WEST IS A SPA. THE ROAD. THAT MEANS YOU WOULD BE GOING TO A TURNAROUND TO CATCH FOUR 10. UM, THIS, UH, AND TO THE BACK OF THAT PROPERTY IS SOUTH PERA. YOU HAVE MISSION ACADEMY THERE, WHICH IS A 2020 MILE PER HOUR SCHOOL ZONE. I SEE THAT AS A SAFETY ISSUE. NOW, PETITIONS WERE SUBMITTED. WE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I, I DON'T LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THEY'RE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO I SAID, I WANNA SEE WHAT THEY WANT. WE DID ASK FOR A COMPROMISE FOR THE M F 18. TWO OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WE WENT TO WERE WILLING TO COMPROMISE FOR THE M F 18, LETTING 'EM BUILD THE 350 APARTMENTS. AND, UH, BUT YOU HAVE THE PETITIONS FOR THE REST OF 'EM. THERE'S MORE THAN 300. THE OTHER ONES WANTED TO PROTECT THE AREA DUE TO THE STINTS AND LAND USE THE PLAN AND HERITAGE AREAS BECAUSE IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S LOW DENSITY. I KNOW IT'S APPROVED FOR HIGH DENSITY, BUT THAT'S YET TO BE SEEN IN THIS CASE. UH, THE PROTECTION WOULD BE FOR MISSION. WE HAVE MISSION SAN JUAN, AND WE HAVE THE . THE GALLEGOS HELD ANOTHER MEETING. HE'S RIGHT, OCTOBER 28TH. I WAS INVITED DUE TO SHORT NOTICE AND FAMILY ISSUES. I COULDN'T ATTEND ON THE AGENDA. HE HAD PROJECT PLANS. SO I EMAILED HIM AND ASKED HIM, SEND ME THE PROJECT PLANS. MR. ABRAMS WAS KINDLY KIND ENOUGH TO SEND ME AN EMAIL SAYING, WE HAVE NO PROJECT PLANS. SO WITH THIS, WE COULDN'T COME TO A COMPROMISE. WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT. THEY COULD HAVE THE 350 APARTMENTS WITH AN F M F 18. THEY REFUSE THE DEEDED RESTRICTION. SO WE'RE TOTALLY AGAINST IT. THEY DON'T WANNA WORK WITH US. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM SO WE CAN COME TO A COMPROMISE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MS. MARTINEZ. NEXT IS SUSAN SNOW. [02:15:03] SUSAN SNOW REPRESENTING THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. OUR HEADQUARTERS IS AT 2202 ROOSEVELT AVENUE. UM, BUT WE ARE THE NEIGHBOR. UM, SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC? SURE. WE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, BECAUSE THE MAPS THAT YOU HAVE HERE DON'T SHOW IT, THAT THE WORLD HERITAGE SITE DESIGNATION IS THE BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY. SURE. UM, SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE WHEN YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS OF EXACTLY, UM, WHAT THE AREA THAT YOU'RE DISCU THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS. SO THE GONZALEZ PROPERTY IS TO THE EAST OF THE SAN JUAN SEIA. UM, AND THE SAN JUAN SECA IS THE BLUE AND GREEN LINE, AND THAT IS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE WORLD HERITAGE SITE. AND THEN THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE, OF THE ASA IS ALSO NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PROPERTY AS WELL. SO WE DON'T HAVE A POSITION ON THIS ISSUE, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD THE MOST UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION ON THE LAND USE THAT IS THERE NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. NO. NOPE. BRADY ALEXANDER. MY NAME IS BRADY ALEXANDER. I REPRESENT THE HOT WELLS MISSION REACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND RESIDE AT 1839 EAST PYRON 7 8 2 2 3. IS THE MF 33 ZONING NECESSARY TO BUILD 350 APARTMENTS AT THIS SITE? THAT IS THE PERTINENT QUESTION. HERE ARE SOME RELEVANT FACTS TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. THE SITE IS LISTED AT 23.3 ACRES BY BEXAR COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT, OR IT'S 20 ACRES BY THE APPLICANT. UM, I'M NO EXPERT, BUT IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING LOOKING AT, UH, DIFFERENT FIGURES OF THAT NATURE. UM, PRESENT OWNER CLAIMS TO HAVE SOLD LAND ALONG THE SAN JUAN SEIA TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, BUT THERE IS NO DEEDED TRANSFER FROM THIS PROPERTY SINCE IT WAS ACQUIRED BY THE PRESENT OWNER. NO PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE FLOOD ZONE. THERE ARE NO ELECTRICAL GAS FIBER OPTIC OR DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. THERE IS A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE IN THE PROPERTY, DEPENDING ON ACTUAL ACREAGE, AND IT'S NOT A FACTOR SINCE ROADS AND PARKING LOTS ARE ALLOWABLE USES AND A NECESSITY FOR THIS PROJECT. IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY AND FACTUAL DATA, I HAVE A, UM, MAP HERE SHOWING THAT, UM, I DID NOT TAKE THE LIBERTY OF DRAWING THE SANITARY SEWER LINE ON THE UPPER PROPERTY, BUT LOOKING AT THE LOWER PHOTO, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THE X ON BOTH. NOW. YOU CAN'T SEE THE UPPER ONE, UM, AS A REFERENCE. UH, NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, UH, NORTH IS LEFT. NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT NORTH IS TOP ANYWAY. UM, THE REFERENCE LINE TO THE LEFT IS THE ASAKIA. THE CROSS IS THE STREET, THE BLACK LINE IN BETWEEN THAT IS THE UTILITY EASEMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT AN ISSUE. I WANTED TO BRING THAT OUT TO SHOW YOU, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT THE FACTS. HISTORICAL DESIGNATION FOR A PORTION OF THIS SITE IS A DESIGN CRITERIA, NOT A DENSITY RESTRICTION. AND IT IS ABOUT THE, UM, LEFT SIDE, THE THIRD OF IT. THAT IS THAT NONE OF THE PREVIOUS FACTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, EXCUSE ME HERE, WHETHER THIS SITE IS 20 OR 23.3 ACRES, M F 18 ZONING IS SUFFICIENT FOR THE PROPOSED 350 APARTMENT UNITS. NONE OF THE PREVIOUS FACTS OF THE DEVELOPMENTAL AREA CHANGED THIS IN ANY WAY. AT THIS DENSITY, LESS REQUIRED PARKING SPACES WILL REDUCE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, STORM WATER RUNOFF, DOWNSTREAM FLOOD ISSUES, AND ALLOW FOR A TRULY GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS AS CLAIMED BY THE DEVELOPER. NO RESPONDENT WITHIN 200 FOOT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSAL, INCLUDING NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND S A I S D. WE ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, NOT THE UNFOUNDED CLAIMS BY THE APPLICANT THAT MF 33 ZONING IS NECESSARY FOR THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER EDWARD LOZANO. MR. LOZANO, I THINK YOU KNOW THE DRILL. NOW I'M GETTING THE HANG OF THIS . MY NAME'S EDWARD LOZANO. I LIVE IN 95 22 TARLETON, WHICH IS, WHICH IS IN THE SUBDIVISION RIGHT NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY. I AM [02:20:01] FOR THIS PROPOSAL. UH, I WAS AT THAT MEETING LAST WEEK AND I SPOKEN TO ABOUT A DOZEN OF MY PAST CLIENTS AND FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH MOST OF 'EM SIGN, UH, AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHANGES. I THINK, UM, WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, THE WAY WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS? KEEP IT INDUSTRIAL OR MULTIFAMILY. AND WHEN YOU EDUCATE THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND, UH, THEY, THEY KIND OF UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE PROS AND CONS. UH, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THE REAL ESTATE, UH, ECONOMY IS IN, IN SAN ANTONIO, THIS HAS ALSO CREATED AN, UH, A NEED FOR HOUSING. NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT JUST REGULAR HOUSING. UH, THE AVERAGE PRICE OF AN, OF A EXISTING HOME IS 250,000. AND MOST YOUNG ADULTS CAN'T AFFORD THAT. SO AGAIN, APARTMENTS WOULD BE A BIG RELIEF TO THAT, UH, NEED. AND OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO WHEN, YOU KNOW, UH, EDUCATED ABOUT THE FACTS ARE FOR, FOR THE PRO PROPOSAL. AND THAT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS OPPOSITION. THEY'RE NOT EVEN ANYWHERE NEAR ON ON THIS MAP. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT ANYBODY IN THE CITY CAN OPPOSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS NEIGHBORHOODS, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR, NEAR, SO I THINK WOULD AFFECT US A LOT MORE THAN SOMEBODY THAT'S MILES AWAY FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. LOZANO. DAVID ABRAMS. ALRIGHT. , I DUNNO IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON IT OR NOT. HI, I'M DAVE ABRAMS. UH, I LIVE AT, I RESIDE AT 1 22 EAST BRANDON, UH, THE BELLMEAD A BEAUTIFUL BELLMEAD NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK. THANKS FOR LETTING ME, UH, HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK. AND, UH, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNNECESSARY, UH, TO USE SOME HYPERBOLE. UH, I ATTENDED OLGA MARTINEZ'S MEETING. IT WAS VERY COOPERATIVE. TO SAY I WAS UNCOOPERATIVE IS A BIT OFFENSIVE TO BE HONEST. UH, AND, UH, AND, AND ALSO, UM, WE HAD SOME AGREEMENTS THERE THAT I, THAT I FELT, UM, WERE, WERE SORT OF, UH, RETURN DID NOT, UH, DID NOT TAKE PLACE IN, IN TERMS OF JUST, UH, SORT OF UNDERSTANDINGS OF WHAT I WOULD PROVIDE TODAY, WHICH I'M ABOUT TO, UH, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. SO, UH, I FEEL LIKE, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA BE FAIR AND OPEN AND HONEST WITH EACH OTHER AT ALL TIMES, WE SHOULD DO THAT. UH, AND WE STOOD OUTSIDE IN THE LOBBY AND SPOKE A FEW TIMES, BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THAT YOU WERE GONNA SAY SOME OF THE THINGS YOU DID. UH, BUT, UH, I WENT TO YOUR MEETING. YOU DIDN'T COME TO THE ONE THAT WE INVITED YOU TO. UH, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THE ACTUAL MEMBERS OF GEORGIAN PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE THERE AND WE SPOKE TO THEM, AND I THINK WE SWATCHED SOME OF THEIR FEARS. I KNOW FOR A FACT, AND I, AND I'M, AND I'M, UH, YOU KNOW, HONEST WITH, UH, WITH THE FOLKS THAT UNTIL THERE'S A TRAFFIC STUDY, UNTIL THERE'S A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE CANNOT TELL THEM THERE WILL BE NO TRAFFIC THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT WE CAN SAY IS THAT THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA BUILD A GATED, UH, A GATED DEVELOPMENT. AND SO, UH, THAT ONE ENTRANCE ON NATCHEZ TRAIL, UH, WHERE THE ONLY TWO HOUSES IN GEORGIAN PLACE, THE ONLY TWO HOUSES IN GEORGIAN PLACE, NEIGHBORHOOD ACTUALLY ABUT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, UH, WILL HAVE A GATED ENTRANCE. UH, WHETHER IT'S JUST FOR, UM, THE, UH, THE RESIDENCE OR WHETHER IT'S A CRASH FIRE RESCUE GATE ONLY IS TO BE DETERMINED BASED ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY, 657 FEET OF FRONTAGE, UH, NOT OVER 700 FEET. SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S ONE, UH, ACCESS ROAD REQUIRED PER, UH, PER MY UNDERSTANDING IN THE ENGINEERING STUDY. UH, WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT VERY QUICKLY, AND WHAT I PLEDGED WHEN I CAME BACK, I WOULD DO, IS TELL YOU WHAT THE OVERALL, UH, DEVELOPABLE ACREAGE IS. AND SO THE PARCEL, THE INITIAL SURVEY, A SURVEY IS STILL IN QUESTION. WE HAVE SOME AREAS OF UNCLEAR TITLE. AND SO THIS IS AN ONGOING ISSUE, SO WE CAN'T GIVE YOU EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. WHAT WE CAN TELL YOU IS IT KEEPS GETTING SMALLER. UH, SO IT WAS 23 ACRES PER BEAR COUNTY. THE SURVEYOR CAME BACK WITH 20.69 ACRES WITH AREA OF UNCLEAR TITLE. UH, WE WENT BACK TO CLARIFY THE AREA OF UNCLEAR TITLE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, UH, UH, AND, AND WHAT WE, WHAT WE RECEIVED WAS ACTUALLY A NEW EASEMENT. WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS BOUNDARY HERE, UH, AND THEN WE GOT NEW DOCUMENTATION OF THIS EASEMENT RIGHT HERE, WHICH ACTUALLY CUTS OFF, UH, APPROXIMATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THE AREA YET BECAUSE WE GOT THIS OVER THE LAST, LIKE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS, ABOUT TWO ACRES OF THE, OF THE, OF THE LOT. THIS IS NATIONAL PARK EASEMENT. THERE'S NO ACCESS THROUGH OVER, UNDER OR, OR AROUND [02:25:01] IT. AND SO, UH, THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF 15 ACRES, NOT ACCOUNTING FOR WHAT WILL LATER BE ENGINEERED, WHICH IS SETBACKS FROM FOUR 10. AND, UH, WHAT MR. BRADY, UH, COULD HAVE EASILY GOTTEN FROM ME HAD HE ASKED, WHICH IS THE SURVEY THAT SHOWS THE EASEMENT THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY. THAT'S A 60 FOOT EASEMENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. ABRAMS. THAT'S ALL THAT'S SIGNED IN TO SPEAK IS THERE. AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. OKAY. PARDON ME? I HEARD SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. UH, MR. GALLEGOS, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL AND I THINK THE WANTED, UH, IF HE HAD SIGNED UP OR NOT, BUT HE'D LIKE TO. OKAY. MR. GONZALEZ, YOU CAN TAKE THESE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, SIR. I AM VERY HARD OF HEARING IN THE SENSE OF MAKING OUT WHAT IS BEING SAID. I WISH I KNEW EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING SAID. I CAN HEAR IT, BUT I CANNOT MAKE IT OUT. DON'T TELL ME TO GO AND GET EAR SURGERY. I HAVE ALREADY DONE IT TWICE. I WAS BORN THIS WAY. NOW ALL I WANT TO SAY IS THIS. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL. YOU CAN SLAUGHTER ANIMALS THERE. YOU CAN SET UP A JUNKYARD. I HAVE TURNED DOWN AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE WANTED TO BUY IT, PROBABLY FOR THAT PURPOSE BECAUSE ON ROOSEVELT, THEY'RE BEING BOUGHT OUT. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? THIS IS ALREADY ZONED. YOU WOULD NEVER GRANT A ZONING OF INDUSTRIAL IF THERE IS ANYBODY TAKING A GAMBLE. IT IS. I I AM GOING FROM INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL OR MULTI-FAMILY, WHATEVER THE HECK. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THAT? THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE ASEC, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HAS CONTROL OF THAT. NOBODY ELSE HERE, NOBODY IN THE CITY, A NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. I HAVE BEEN TWICE VERY, VERY GENEROUS TO THEM, HAVE LOANED THEM. I HAVE SOLD THEM LAND ON PRESA AND ALSO ALONG THEIA. THEY HAVE CONTROL FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE ASEC FOR 30 FEET ON EACH SIDE. NOBODY CAN MESS WITH THEM. NOTHING IS GONNA GO INTO THE ASEC UNLESS THEY OKAY. IT, DON'T LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN LIVE IN THE AREA. NOW, I KNOW THIS SOUNDS NEGATIVE, BUT I THINK THE CHURCH HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THIS AND THE VOTING OF, NO, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, I SAW THEM FIVE ACRES AT 25, 20 $5,000 AN ACRE. ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. I WISH I HAD MY PHONE. I'VE GOT THE OLD PHONE. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET AN ADDITIONAL 10 ACRES AT $10,000 AN ACRE 10 YEARS LATER. OH, COME ON NOW, IF THE IMMEDIATE PEOPLE BELONG TO THE CHURCH AND THE PASTOR TELLS YOU SOMETHING OR YOU'RE GOING TO LISTEN, IF IT'S GONNA PICK UP A BROCHURE, WHATEVER, AND TURN IT IN, OR YOU'RE GOING TO LISTEN. OF COURSE YOU ARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. GONZALEZ. ALRIGHT. UM, NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'VE HAD REBUTTAL AND SO, UH, MR. GALLO, SORRY, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE REBUTTAL. I WAS GONNA CALL THAT THE REBUTTAL. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER FUENTES, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE, SO IT IS TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. GALLOS. UH, SO NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL, UH, USABLE, UH, ACREAGE OF 15 ACRES, ROUGHLY? YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THERE'S ALSO A, UH, 60 FOOT EASEMENT FOR THAT, UH, SEWAGE. IS THAT YES, SIR. THAT'S 60 FEET. UH, AND THEN WHAT'S THE LINEAR FOOTAGE ON THAT EASEMENT, SINCE I KNOW IT, IT DOES CUT THROUGH THE PROPERTY. UH, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T, UH, ANSWER THAT. LET ME SEE. DAVID WOULD, WOULD, OKAY. CAN I, CAN I ANSWER THAT, UH, VIA EMAIL AFTER THE, THE HEARING? BECAUSE I HAVE IT, I JUST DON'T HAVE IT READILY INVOLVED. SURE. THAT THAT'S FINE. AND OF COURSE, IT, IT RUNS, I MEAN, RIGHT STRAIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF [02:30:01] THE PROPERTY IS JUST TRYING TO GET A, A ROUGH ESTIMATE AS TO HOW MUCH LAND THAT WOULD TAKE UP AS WELL. RIGHT. UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 15 ACRES AND WITH A, WITH A MF 33 AT 33 PER ACRE. GETS YOU A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THAT. 660, UM, LET'S SEE, 4 95. 4 95. OKAY. UM, AND TO ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKER'S POINTS, THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT, UH, THE SETBACKS AND THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPING EASEMENT JUST TO PROVIDE, UH, UH, A NATURAL BUFFER FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE? YES, SIR. AND I THINK, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE WALKING TRAIL, UH, THERE'S ALSO SOME LANDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, BUFFERS THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, PROPOSED AND PROVIDED BY, UH, AGAIN, ONCE WE GET TO THE SITE PLANS, UH, I THINK THAT THE, UH, I, I NEED TO SPEAK TO THE POTENTIAL BUYER OF THIS PROPERTY AND THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY. HE'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPING, UH, A $100 MILLION PROPERTY RIGHT UP ON, ON BROADWAY. UH, VERY SELDOM DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO DO ANY DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU WELL KNOW. UH, COMMISSIONER FUENTES. SO, UH, MR. YOUNG, JIM YOUNG, WHO'S, BY THE WAY, A SAN ANTONIO AND, UH, A VETERAN, UH, WEST POINT GRADUATE, YOU KNOW, HAS SAW FIT TO COME AND INVEST IN THE SOUTH SIDE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S GOOD AND PROPER ZONING. THANK YOU MR. GALLEGOS. YES, SIR. UH, GO AHEAD. THAT, THAT'S ALL FOR ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. OLGA. THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO AS, UH, WE'VE COME TO THE, THE DISCOVERY THAT THERE'S A LOT LESS, UH, ACREAGE OR USABLE ACREAGE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF 495 POSSIBLE UNITS TO BE BUILT. HEY, THAT WOULD BE A, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR BRAIDED TO ANSWER. HE'S THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE CAN CAN YOU TALK CLOSER TO THE MIC THAT, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR BRADY WHEN IT COMES TO ACREAGE AND USES? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR HIM. OH, I CANNOT ANSWER THAT. SO, NO, I'M, I'M MORE GETTING TO THE POINT THAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH LESS DENSITY IN THIS AREA WITH A DEEDED RESTRICTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FUENTES. COMMISSIONER TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS CHAIRMAN, MR. TI? I'M SORRY. UH, MR. GALLOS, PLEASE WAIT. UH, COMMISSIONER BARTOS? NO, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, THERE'S A HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON JUST PART OF THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT APPEARS TO BE THE WESTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY? YES. OKAY. SO ANY BUILDING THAT WOULD OCCUR IN THE AREA THAT'S NOT DESIGNATED HISTORIC ON THIS SITE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO TO H D R C IF THAT PROPERTY WAS COMING IN INDEPENDENTLY. IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO TO H D R C. UM, BUT IF IT'S COMING IN JOINTLY WITH THE OTHER ONE, H D R C WOULD LOOK AT IT. AND I BELIEVE OUR CHAIR CAN ALSO COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE HE ALSO WAS AN H D R C COMMISSIONER. UM, YES, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT TO BE CORRECT FROM STAFF'S POSITION. AND STAFF KNOWS BEST BECAUSE THEY ARE THE D S D THANK YOU KATT FOR THROWING ME UNDER THE BUS . UM, BUT THE TRUTH IS BECAUSE SCALE MASSING AND DESIGN WOULD ALL BE WITHIN THE, UM, THE BALLYWICK, I'VE USED THAT WORD TWICE TODAY AND I HATE IT, UH, WOULD BE UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE H D R C. THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROJECT TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT DESIGN SCALE MASSING. AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK SPACING IS GONNA BE PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, JUST FROM MY OPINION. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROME. UM, I GUESS THIS FOR STAFF IS, IS THIS PLATTED INTO TWO LOTS OR IS IT JUST ONE? IT'S ACTUALLY A, A JUST A PARCEL. IT'S AN UN PLATTED PARCEL TODAY. YOU KNOW, WHEN I ASKED YOU ABOUT THIS LAST TIME [02:35:01] AND HOW THEY COULD POSSIBLY NEED MF 33 WHEN THEY ONLY WANTED TO HAVE 350 UNITS, AND YOU GAVE ME AN ANSWER THAT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE IN EIGHT YEARS ON ZONING COMMISSION. AND I STILL DON'T BUY IT. I STILL DON'T BUY THAT. YOU HAVE TO GET A HIGHER ZONING CATEGORY, A HIGHER DENSITY, BECAUSE THERE'S PIECES OF YOUR PROPERTY THAT ARE UNDEVELOPABLE. WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS, IS IT, IT'S WHAT'S BEING PLOTTED AT THE END OF THE DAY, RIGHT? SO, UM, IF A PROPERTY COMES TO YOU, IT'S COMING TO YOU AS, I HAVE AN ACRE, I HAVE AN ACRE, A, A PARCEL UN PLATTED, AND I WANT IT ZONED MF 33. SO THAT ACRE EQUALS 33 UNITS, UH, PERMITTED BY, RIGHT? THAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS. BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, PUBLIC ROADS, OPEN SPACE, THOSE THINGS ARE PLATTED SEPARATELY. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL YOU HAVE IS, LET'S SAY THAT'S 25% OF THAT ENTIRE ACRE THAT IS NOW GO GOING TOWARDS, UM, 9 0 1 SERIES LOTS, UH, ROADS. THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE ULTIMATE BUILDABLE LOTS THAT THEN HAVE THE ZONING OF 33, MF 33. SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN I SAY WHAT I HAVE LEFT OVER AT THE END OF THE DAY. THEREFORE, THEN ALL YOU HAVE THE ABILITY IS WHATEVER'S LEFT IS, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS YOU GET TO GET ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU'VE NOW EXCLUDED ALL OF THE UNBUILDABLE AREA, WHICH IS YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS YOUR ROADS, WHICH IS YOUR OPEN SPACE. SO IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THEN WAS WHAT HE TALKED ABOUT IS COMING DOWN NOW, NOW TO THE 15 ACRES THAT'S REMAINING. HE'LL STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE OPEN SPACE, HE'LL STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ROADS THAT LEAD THROUGH. AND THEY MAY NOT BE PUBLIC ROADS. THEY MAY BE CONSIDERED DRIVEWAYS THAT LEAD THROUGH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. SO THOSE WILL THEN ARE KIND OF EXTRACTED OUT. THEY MAY NOT BE, THEY MAY BE PLATTED TOGETHER. AND IT'S, AND AGAIN, GIVING YOU YOUR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE A DETENTION POND OR RETENTION POND THAT IS, IS PLATTED OUTSIDE OF THAT, AGAIN, TAKEN AWAY BUILDABLE, UH, USABLE LAND THAT CAN, YOU CAN BE USED TOWARDS YOUR DENSITY PER ACRE. SO WHAT WE DO KNOW TODAY IS THAT HE'S GOT 15 ACRES THAT HE CAN DEVELOP, BUT HE STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH, THROUGH THOSE EXTRA STEPS FROM PLATTING TO H D R C APPROVAL. AND AGAIN, IF HE'S ONLY GOING TO BE REZONING 15 ACRES, THAT AGAIN, THAT'S HIS MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THAT HE CAN GET TO. ANYTHING THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET THE CODE AND AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THEN HE HAS LESS THAN THAT. HOPEFULLY THAT KIND OF HELPED. I WAS TRYING TO KIND OF CREATE A PICTURE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T SEE THAT AT THE ZONING LEVEL. IT ALWAYS COMES IN LATER DURING THE PLAT AND BUILDING PERMIT STAGE. RIGHT. SO WE, WE NEVER DO THIS, LIKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A, WITH 10 ACRES AND THEY WANNA ZONE IT AS MF 33, IT'S ALWAYS 33 TIMES 10 WE HAVE, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE UNBUILDABLE PARTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT IN ROADS. AND WE NEVER EVER SAY THIS, WE NEVER EVER USE THAT CALCULATION. SO I, I GUESS I'M STILL JUST REALLY HAVING TROUBLE WITH THAT, WHICH IS NOT QUESTION, BUT JUST GONNA COMMENT TO SAY THAT MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE GET THESE DEVELOPMENTS, WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. AND THAT KIND OF HELPS TO, TO SHOW, 'CAUSE YOU'LL SEE THAT IN OUR STAFF REPORT. WE'LL SAY, WELL, THEY'RE REZONING THIS MANY ACRES, WHICH COULD RESULT IN THIS. HOWEVER, THEY'RE ONLY PROPOSING THIS MANY BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN. THEY'VE DONE THAT DUE DILIGENCE, UH, TO DETERMINE WHAT IS IT GONNA KIND OF LOOK LIKE. WHAT'S THAT SCHEMATIC GONNA LOOK LIKE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THIS CASE. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WAS GETTING READY TO SCOLD YOU KATT. SHE DIDN'T ASK A QUESTION. IT WASN'T TIME FOR YOU TO TALK, UM, , UH, ANY OTHER RESPECT, ? IT WAS VERY NICE. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? TO MY RIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER'S REMOTE. YES. QUESTION. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YEAH, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROMERO. WE'VE NEVER, EVER TALKED ABOUT MULTIFAMILY REZONING TO THIS LEVEL. WE'RE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE BACKING OUT INFRASTRUCTURE. WE, WE DEFINITELY USE THAT IN A RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE'VE NEVER BROACHED IT THIS WAY BEFORE. UM, AND SO MY QUESTION IS, 'CAUSE I DON'T EVEN LIKE TO DO THIS. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLAN AMENDMENT YET, SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF GUESSING THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S GONNA GO FOR IT. PLANNING'S PROBABLY LOOKING AT US TO SEE IF WE'RE GONNA GO FOR IT. WHAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PLANNING AMENDMENT PLANNING? AND KATT, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT PLANNING COMMISSION DID APPROVE, UH, THE HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THIS CASE. UH, AND I BELIEVE SUCH A VOTE WAS UNANIMOUS. [02:40:01] UM, AND SO AT LEAST WITH RESPECT TO THE RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO COUNCIL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS VOICED THEIR OPINION, BUT HIGH DES, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AS A PLANNING ASPECT IS APPROPRIATE HERE. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION BEFORE WE HAVE TO GET HERE. UM, SECOND TO THAT, I, I, I CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH THIS KIND OF DENSITY. MY QUESTION WILL BE TO THE APPLICANT IF HE'S THERE. YES, MA'AM. UM, SO FOR PURPOSES OF THE DENSITY HERE, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU MAY HAVE A DIFFICULT, UH, LANDSCAPE THERE TO WORK WITH. UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, I, IT'S ABOUT WHAT COULD COME, NOT ABOUT WHAT MAYBE YOUR PLAN IS TODAY OR IF YOU SELL TO SOMEONE ELSE, WHAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO AT THE PROPERTY. MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THAT MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 600 AND SOME ODD UNITS, WHICH I THINK IS TOO HUGE OF A DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT AREA. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO REDUCE YOUR DENSITY TO MAYBE MF 25. I'M GOING TO, UH, AT, BASED ON PREVIOUS, UH, INSTRUCTIONS TO ME FROM THE OWNER AND, UH, ALSO THE, UH, THE AGENT, THE BROKER, UH, EVEN ON MF 25 WOULD NOT BE, UH, AGREEABLE TO, BECAUSE AGAIN, OF THE EASEMENTS IN QUESTION. AND, UH, THAT WAS BEFORE THIS LATEST INFORMATION OF THE, THE EASEMENT ON THE ASEC. SO AS IN, IN ESSENCE, IT'S REDUCED, YOU KNOW, THE USABLE ACREAGE, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT. SO, UH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DECLINE. WELL, PLEASE CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I BELIEVED YOU JUST SAID YOU WERE NOT PLANNING ANYTHING MORE THAN 350 UNITS. AND AT MF 25 WITH 15 ACRES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 375. AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON USABLE, UH, DEVELOPABLE, UH, ACREAGE. AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE THERE IS NO SITE PLAN AT THIS POINT. RIGHT. HAD YOU HAD THE SITE PLAN, THAT MIGHT HAVE HELPED CLEAR UP A LOT OF THIS. UM, AND BELIEVE ME, I'VE TRIED TO SECURE THAT. THAT IS, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SECOND ROUND LEFT. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FROM MR. ABRAMS. WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE, HEAR THOSE DETAILS? YES, SIR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF GRAPHICS TO SHOW YOU. UM, THE FIRST ONE I HAD, UH, I HAD REQUESTED FROM OUR ENGINEERING TEAM. AND, UM, I, I DO WANT TO JUST AS PART OF THIS, SAY, UM, I, WHAT, WHAT I'M LEARNING FROM THIS IS, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE IN THE CONTRACT, WE HAVE ASKED THE SELLER, UH, TO, TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AND WHAT I'M LEARNING FROM THIS IS THAT THE REASON BUYERS DO THIS IS BECAUSE BUYERS HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER, UH, THE, THE TIMING OF IT. UM, AND, AND WHAT WE'RE LEARNING IS NOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL SURVEY YET, LIKE THE, WE'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING THROUGH ALL THE ASPECTS OF THE SURVEY. AND I THINK THIS ADDRESSES SOME OF THE, THE COMMISSIONER'S, UH, ISSUES. SO I'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH EVEN AS EARLY AS THIS MORNING. THIS IS AN EMAIL I SENT AT ABOUT, UH, SIX O'CLOCK. UH, THIS IS JUST SOME HANDWRITTEN NOTES ON A SURVEY LEGEND THAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, UH, THAT SHOW THAT THAT SUBTRACTIONS DUE TO EASEMENTS. UH, AND NUMBER ONE IS THAT 60, 60 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT. UH, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, NUMBER THREE, 'CAUSE I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE SURVEY HERE IN A SECOND. NUMBER THREE IS ACTUALLY CONTAINED WITHIN NUMBER ONE. SO, UH, THAT REALLY THIS, SO REALLY IT'S, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY ADDITIVE, BUT IT BRINGS IT DOWN TO 17 ROUGHLY ACRES, UH, BEFORE FROM 20.69 IN THE SURVEY. BEFORE WE GO TO, UM, THE, THE PIECE THAT WE FOUND OUT THIS MORNING THAT'S MISSING, SO I'LL SHOW YOU A COUPLE OTHER, THAT'S, UH, SURVEYOR'S FIELD NOTES FOR THE, UH, THE, WHAT'S CALLED A SCENIC EASEMENT THAT, UH, UH, SUSAN SHOWED EARLIER. UM, AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT AS WE, AND THIS IS LIKE WE'VE LEARNING, LEARNED THIS DURING THE DAY TO DAY ACTUALLY, IS THAT, UH, NO ACCESS OVER, AROUND OR THROUGH THAT, RIGHT? SO IT GOES FROM BOUNDARY TO [02:45:01] BOUNDARY. UH, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A, A BRANCH OF THE ASSEC THAT GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY. SO EVERYTHING WEST OF THIS IS ALSO SUBTRACTED FROM THE OVERALL PARCEL DEVELOPABILITY. SO, SO MY CLIENT RIGHT NOW IS ON A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE ALL OF THIS, RIGHT? SO WITH THE EASEMENT GOING THROUGH IT IN THE PROPERTY OF THE WEST, BUT HE WON'T BE ABLE TO USE THAT PROPERTY TO THE WEST. UH, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A, A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE ON YET, BUT IT'S AT LEAST TWO ACRES BASED ON PROPORTION. SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET TO THE 15. BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A FINAL APPROVED SURVEY BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, THERE'S ALSO, IF YOU SEE THAT THING THAT SAYS AREA OF UNCLEAR TITLE, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE SELLER PURCHASED AND SOLD THIS PROPERTY, UH, AND SOLD EASEMENTS, UH, NOT ALL THE DOCUMENT AND I, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN ANY OF THESE PREVIOUS TRANSACTIONS, BUT ALL, NOT ALL THE DOCUMENTATION WAS PROPERLY FILED WITH TITLE COMPANIES. OUR TITLE COMPANY IS PULLING THEIR HAIR OUT, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE DOCUMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT SHOW EXACTLY WHAT THE BUYER IS PURCHASING. SO THAT'S KIND OF A LONG ANSWER, BUT I THINK THAT ANSWERS YES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER FUENTES, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE FURTHER QUESTIONS? YES. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 'CAUSE I'M STILL TRYING, I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT LIKE COMMISSIONER ROMERO AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THIS DEVELOPABLE AREA CONCEPT. AND SO YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SUBTRACTING THEN PUBLIC EASEMENTS AND DEDICATIONS, NOT PRIVATE EASEMENTS. IS THAT CORRECT? WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PLATTING PROPERTY, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC EASEMENTS. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE EASEMENTS, UH, THOSE MAY STILL BE INCORPORATED INTO YOUR, INTO YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THEY MAY STILL BE UNBUILDABLE. UM, AND THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE MOVING YOUR DESIGN OR YOUR, YOUR FOOTPRINT OF WHAT YOU CAN BUILD ON INTO THE AREA THAT'S, THAT'S REMAINING. OKAY. SO THAT'S DIFFERENT. THOSE TWO THINGS WOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY WHEN YOU'RE DEDICATING LIKE PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC STREET OR SOMETHING THAT IS SUBTRACTED. BUT IF IT'S JUST A PRIVATE EASEMENT THAT LAND TOTAL STILL STAYS, THOSE UNITS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ALLOCATED TO THAT LAND ARE JUST MOVED MAYBE TO THE LAND NEXT DOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. CORRECT. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, AND THEN ALSO A QUESTION FOR YOU, COULD, IS THERE A WAY TO REZONE JUST A PART OF THIS PROPERTY TO THE MF 33 IF WE HAD FIELD NOTES DESCRIBING WHAT, UH, THAT PROPERTY IS? YES, YOU CAN. WHAT WHAT'S ADVERTISED TODAY IS THE TOTAL OF 24 ACRES. SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON ULTIMATELY HOW MANY ACRES THAT WOULD, UH, YOU MAKE, WHAT YOU WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON. BUT WE WOULD JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT ACREAGE IS. OKAY. SO WE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF REALLY KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE POTENTIAL PROJECT IS THAT WE'RE APPROVING. WELL, HE WAS GIVING SOME CALCULATIONS ON WHAT WOULD BE EXCLUDED OUT. SO IF HE WOULD OFFICIALLY AMEND THAT TO STAY EXCLUDING ALL OF THIS, THIS IS NOW 15 POINT, WHATEVER THAT IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, FURTHER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT, TO MY RIGHT. REMOTE COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I THINK YOU'RE ON THE ISLAND THERE NOW. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, NO QUESTIONS FROM ME. COMMISSIONER FUENTES BACK TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND A MOTION, UM, REAL QUICK, I I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON WHAT JUST CAME UP. SO THERE WOULD BE THE POSSIBILITY OF ASKING THE, THE APPLICANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING TO LIST JUST THE USABLE, UH, ACREAGE, CORRECT? YES. IF HE WOULD PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERING. ALRIGHT, INTERESTING. AND AGAIN, LET ME JUST CLARIFY. WE HAVE TO HAVE FIELD NOTES BEFORE WE PROCEED TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT IF HE KNOWS WHAT HIS ACREAGE IS TODAY, HE CAN PUT THAT ONTO THE RECORD. ALRIGHT. UH, I THINK THIS IS NOW GONNA BE A QUESTION FROM ME, FROM MR. ABRAMS AS WELL AS TO MR. GUY, UH, MR. GALLEGOS. SO TO EACH OF YOU, UH, MR. ABRAMS, UM, YOU'RE NOT THE APPLICANT BUT YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION. SO THAT INFORMATION LISTED ON, UM, THE LEGEND AS WELL AS THE INFORMATION LISTED ON THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE EASEMENT, THAT IS THE CORRECT INFORMATION THAT WOULD CARVE OUT THIS LAND YOU BELIEVE AT THIS TIME? YEAH, , THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY YESTERDAY. OKAY. SO I, I, I DO. AND UM, BUT, BUT THERE'S STILL QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE AREA OF UNCLEAR TITLE. RIGHT. UM, AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY, UH, BUT THAT WOULD REMAIN TRUE WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S 22 ACRES OR 15 THAT'S CORRECT. OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER IS MM-HMM. . CORRECT. ALRIGHT. MR. GALLEGOS, IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND WE MIGHT NEED YOUR PHONE, MR. ABRAMS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GETTING THERE, BUT WE MIGHT BE GETTING THERE. UM, MR. GALLEGOS, SO, [02:50:01] UM, , I THINK THE QUESTION NOW BECOMES, AND MR. FUENTES, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER FUENTES, IF YOU, UM, WANT ASK THIS QUESTION, I'LL LET YOU DO IT OR I CAN DO IT EITHER WAY, BUT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AMEND TO EXCLUDE THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE LEGEND OF THE SURVEY THAT MR. ABRAMS INCLUDED, AS WELL AS THE EASEMENT TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THAT SURVEY AND THE LAND TO THE WEST OF IT? YES. WOULD BE, WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. OKAY. AND THAT WOULD LOWER THE TOTAL POSSIBLE MAXIMUM WORLDVIEW LAND AVAILABLE TO APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES? CORRECT. SO ASSUMING THE MATH IS RIGHT. ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THEN. SO COMMISSIONER FUENTES, IT'S TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTION BEFORE THERE IS A MOTION. SO CAN WE GET IT ON THE RECORD EXACTLY HOW MANY ACRES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DO, SO DO YOU NEED LIKE 16 ACRES AND THEN FROM THERE THAT GIVES YOU THAT ABILITY TO DO CLEAR TITLE? OR ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH 15 ACRES? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. WE CAN'T SAY APPROXIMATELY 15. OKAY. MR. ABRAMS TO YOU THEN FOR THAT QUESTION. SO, UM, THIS IS GONNA BE A BIT OF A DEPARTURE FROM WALKING IN THE DOOR, BUT, UH, , I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. UH, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE THEN WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A, A SURVEY COMPLETED? LIKE, LIKE GET THE ACTUAL, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE'D HAVE IT TWO WEEKS AGO. UM, BUT WHAT I DON'T WANNA DO IS, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE A NUMBER THAT'S EITHER WAY, ONE WAY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WAY OFF. UM, THIS, THIS IS WHY YOU'RE PROBABLY A GOOD BUSINESSMAN, MR. ABRAMS. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT MAYBE A GOOD IDEA WOULD BE TO GET THE COMPLETE SURVEY, HAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED, COLORED IN ALL SORTS OF ARROWS, TELLING US EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, HAVING PINS IDEALLY AS TO WHERE THE LAND, THE MEATS AND THE BOUNDS OF LAND ARE. UH, BUT CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE BETTER THAN, UH, APPROXIMATING WE'RE DOING NOW APPROXIMATELY. OKAY. UH, SO IN THAT CASE, I'M, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. GALLEGOS, THIS MEANS THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT ANOTHER CONTINUANCE. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION AS TO THAT AT THE RISK OF, UH, LOSING ALL SUPPORT , UH, WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT? WE, WE WANT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WENT INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, WHOLEHEARTEDLY, UH, WITH OPEN MIND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. SO I WOULD THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, I WOULD ADVISE YOU AS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO GET THAT SURVEY DONE BEFORE, WHENEVER THAT CONTINUANCE IS GOING TO OCCUR. COMMISSIONER FUENTES TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE, UH, TWO WEEKS OUT. IS THAT SUFFICIENT? ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO, UH, NOVEMBER 16TH ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UM, AND THERE IS A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BARROS. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER ROMEO, I'LL SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE, BUT I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT IF WE COME BACK WITH 15 DEVELOPABLE ACRES AT MF 33, I AM STILL GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS AS TO WHY YOU NEED THAT INSTEAD OF MF 25 TO GET TO 350 UNITS, WHEN THAT'S GONNA GET YOU 495 DESPITE THE UNBUILDABLE AREAS. AND I MEANT NO DUE DISRESPECT TO STAFF BECAUSE I LOVE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT LAND USE AND YOU KNOW, MORE THAN I DO. UM, I'M STILL GONNA HAVE THAT QUESTION AND I STILL HAVE ONE MORE ZONING COMMISSION, . SO BEFORE I LEAVE, DO YOU WANT A FOUR WEEK? NO, SORRY, , IT'S BECOMING POPULAR. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, . UM, ALL IN GOOD FUN. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE. UM, THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE NOVEMBER 16TH ON ITEM NUMBER THREE BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REBUTTALS. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE. OH, I THINK HE LEFT. JUST SAY IT. I THINK HE LEFT. YEAH, I THINK COMMISSIONER WHITE IS ABSENT. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR. I MISSPOKE AND SAID ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT THANK YOU. IF WE CAN CONTINUE. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES [02:55:01] FOR CONTINUANCE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE. UH, I WILL SEE EVERYONE AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE [6. (Continued from 10/19/2021) ZONING CASE Z202110700193 CD (Council District 2)] ARE GOING TO MOVE ON, I BELIEVE TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON OUR INDIVIDUAL DOCKET. AND THANK YOU MS. SNOW, AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE WORK THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE DOES. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MERKEL. AVI, SENIOR PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS LOCATED AT FIVE 19 B STREET. GOING FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD CONDITIONAL USE FOR DO TWO DUPLEXES. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 10 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT. TWO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. GOVERNMENT HILL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT AND FIVE IN FAVOR, OUTSIDE 200 FEET. THE EXISTING R FOUR IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREAS. THE PROPOSED SEAT CONDITIONAL USE FOR DU TWO DUPLEXES IS ALSO APPROPRIATE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. ALSO SHARE THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL USES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. YES. AND MA'AM AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD STATE, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. AND THEN TELL US ABOUT YOUR ZONING REQUEST. CERTAINLY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MELISSA GONZALEZ. I REPRESENT THE, UH, OWNER. I'M WITH PROJECT PERMITTING 2 2 4 LEBANON. UM, I BELIEVE THE, YOU GUYS HEARD THE APPLICANT AT THE LAST ZONING MEETING AND HE EXPLAINED THE PROJECT THAT WAS GOING UP. THE TWO, LET ME SAY IT CORRECTLY, TWO SEPARATE HOMES, DUPLEXES, TWO STORY, UM, ON THERE. AND, UH, WE ARE OF COURSE SEEKING APPROVAL ON THAT. WE'VE CONTINUED ON ON IT. UM, I DID WANNA KIND OF MENTION A BRIEF TIMELINE ON THIS. THE APPLICANT DID, UH, WALK WITH, UM, MS. HILL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, AT THE SPRING. AND WE WERE TOLD OF COURSE, TO KINDA MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY TO GET ADDRESSES. I DID RECEIVE A PHONE CALL IN SEPTEMBER, UM, FROM A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBER AND SAYING THAT THEY WERE THE ONES REPRESENTING THE AREA. SO WE WANTED TO GO OUT THERE OF COURSE AND MEET WITH, WITH HER. AND WE SET UP A MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY. UM, AT THAT POINT WE DID SPEAK WITH SOME PEOPLE. UM, I DO HAVE, UH, WE DID GET SOME VERBAL APPROVALS AT THAT POINT THAT THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF. WE WERE ASKED BY THAT COMMUNITY MEMBER NOT TO GET SIGNATURES AND SHE ADVISED THE COMMUNITY THAT WASN'T SURE WHAT WE MIGHT DO WITH THEIR SIGNATURES. SO WE DID NOT GATHER SIGNATURES AT THAT TIME. AND THEN THE NEXT ZONING MEETING CAME UP AND WE WERE ASKED AGAIN TO GO OUT THERE AND GET SIGNATURES. SO WE DID GO BACK OUT. UM, IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT JUST BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY GONE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THEY SAID NOT TO SIGN. SO WE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY SAID WE WERE, AND I UNDERSTAND VERBAL SUPPORT IS DIFFERENT THAN SIGNATURES, BUT HE DID MENTION A COUPLE OUTSIDE. WE DID GET SOME WITHIN THE AREA, UM, RIGHT THERE. AND THEN WE DID GO BACK OUT THERE AGAIN, UM, OVER AND OVER TRYING TO CATCH PEOPLE AT HOME. IT'S A VERY GATED, UM, LOTS OF DOGS OUT THERE , UH, THAT LIKE TO GREET YOU AND RUN YOU OFF, BUT WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL SIGNATURES TO PUT IN THAT I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT. THAT'S WHAT, UM, ON THOSE APPROVALS. UM, ON THE LAST ONE, I THINK, UH, THE NOTE THAT WAS NOTED THAT, UH, THERE WAS NOT ANY RESPONSE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WE DID GET, UM, A, AN EMAIL THAT HAD BEEN SENT IN AS WELL TO THE COUNCIL AREA IN SUPPORT OF, AND WE DID MENTION ON THERE, UH, WE DID GET TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, UH, THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL AND, AND THE COUNCILMAN'S AIDE FOR SETTING THAT UP FOR US WITH THE LOCATION TO MEET, UH, FOR ANY OTHER ONES WHO MIGHT WANT TO COME OUT AND ASK QUESTIONS TO US AND ASK QUESTIONS TO THE DEVELOPER. UM, AND HE DID JOIN, UH, STARTED OFF AS WEBEX, BUT THEN, UH, VIA PHONE CALL TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT I'M PRETTY SURE WE'LL COME UP TODAY AND WE'RE HAPPY TO MAYBE ADDRESS 'EM ONCE THEY, UH, ADDRESS, UH, THEIR CONCERNS SO WE CAN REBUTTAL AND YOU COULD HEAR THEM HEAR WHAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO SAY. [03:00:02] ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. SORRY IT WAS THAT LONG. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. NO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU STILL HAD SIX MORE MINUTES, BUT NOW THEY'RE GONE. UM, , IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK? SO FIRST PERSON I HAVE SIGNED HAWKINS . MELISSA, I NEED THAT FORM. YOU SAID YOU'D GIVE IT BACK TO ME? OH, YES. SHE WANTED TO BORROW OUR PLANS. OKAY. WE'RE HAPPY TO LEND. THERE YOU GO. UH, A THREE. AND FIRST, MS. HAWKINS, IF YOU'D STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. YES. MM-HMM. . MY NAME IS MARLENE HAWKINS. I LIVE AT 6 0 1 EAST CARSON IN GOVERNMENT HILL. I'M CO-PRESIDENT OF THE GOVERNMENT HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. UH, AND THESE ARE ALL MEMBERS OF MY THAT LIVE. THERE ARE ALL MEMBERS OF MY ORGANIZATION, MY ORGANIZATION, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GOVERNMENT HILL, WHETHER THEY'RE, WHETHER THEY'RE RENTERS OR, OR HOMEOWNERS OR MY MEMBERS. SO I'M SPEAKING FOR MY MEMBERS AND SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP HERE, I HAVE TO BRING THIS UP. THE OTHER ORGANIZATION THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS DEFUNCT. THEY WERE VOTED OUT BY THEIR MEMBERS, AND I HAVE DOCUMENTATION TO THAT IF YOU NEED TO SEE IT TODAY. AND THEY DON'T REPRESENT ANYBODY EXCEPT ABOUT EIGHT, UH, MET PEOPLE THAT COME TO THEIR MEETINGS. UH, AND SO THEY, THEY, THEY REALLY DON'T SPEAK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROBLEM IS, UM, AGAINST THIS, NOT BECAUSE OF THE DUPLEXES. WE HAVE LOTS OF DUPLEXES THERE, BUT BECAUSE IF YOU GIVE THEM THE CONDITIONAL USE, THEY CAN GO AHEAD WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT HAS MANY THINGS THAT ARE NOT RIGHT. FOR ONE THING, IT'S TWO STORY. THE FIRST THING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT THE NEIGHBORS TALKED ABOUT WAS TWO STORY. NOTHING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS TWO STORY. IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1940S BY THE ARMY FOR, FOR THEIR, UH, PEOPLE. AND WHEN THEY LEFT, THEY SOLD IT AND, UH, TO A LOT OF INVESTORS AND THEY BECAME RENTERS. BUT THERE ARE HOMEOWNERS GROWING THERE AND SOME REALLY NICE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING. UM, SO TWO STORY IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL. UM, THE BUILDING ITSELF, PLEASE SHOW THE, UH, SITE PLAN. NO, THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T FACE B STREET. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LIVE ON YOUR STREET, YOUR HOUSE FACES THE STREET, RIGHT? WELL, THE, IT DOESN'T FACE THE STREET. IT DEPENDING ON, ON WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT. THEY SAY, OH YEAH, IT HAS A FRONT. AND THEY, UH, POINT TO, UH, I HAVE A LITTLE MARK ON THERE THAT, UH, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE FRONT AND IT, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S ONLY ONE DOOR TO EACH ONE OF THOSE 800 FOOT APARTMENTS THAT IS NOT SAFE. THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. UH, THAT LITTLE MARK THERE REPRESENTS THE DOOR. OKAY. WOULD YOU PUT THE A THREE PLEASE? OKAY. YOU CAN SEE ON THE FRONT IN THE REAR ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE THE DOOR THAT'S THERE. VERY PLAIN. DOES THAT LOOK LIKE A FRONT DOOR TO YOU? AND THERE ARE NO WINDOWS. IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE FRONT OF A BUILDING. IT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF SYNC WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS. SO THOSE TWO ISSUES ARE, ARE PROBLEMS. UM, THE, UM, THING IS THAT THAT FRONT DOOR OPENS OUT INTO A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. THE GRAVEL IS THE FRONT YARD, AND THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE EITHER. WE NEED MORE TIME TO TRY TO WORK THIS OUT AND BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS. THIS WAS NOT THE WIN-WIN THAT I WANTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MS. HAWKINS. ROSE HILL. MS. HILL. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. BEFORE I START, I'D LIKE TO GET ASKED REQUEST. UH, STELLA. UM, STELLA. ASHLEY'S GONNA GIMME HER TIME. MS. ASHLEY, YOU'RE SIGNED UP AND YOU ARE GIVING YOUR TIME TO MS. HILL. VERY GOOD. MS. HILL HAS SIX MINUTES, MS. HILL. THANK YOU, MS. ANTE AND THE COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME IS ROSE HILL, PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT HILL, UH, ASSOCIATION. AND IF YOU CAN PUT THAT UP. I AM REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE HAS BEEN, UH, [03:05:01] AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1988. WE ARE COMPLETING 33 YEARS OF SERVICING THE COMMUNITY IN GOVERNMENT HILL FROM REHABILITATION TO PAINTING, TO CLEANING UP AND TO WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY. I'M HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT OF FIVE 19 B STREET. WE ARE ALL IN SUPPORT BECAUSE NEIGHBORS WE SPOKE TO BACK IN APRIL, BACK IN MARCH, UH, WERE IN SUPPORT. THE OWNER FOLLOWED PROPER PROTOCOL BY THE CITY, FROM ZONING TO THE ALLIANCE TO THE COMMUNITY. NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN INFORMED AND THOSE IN SUPPORT WANTED TO SEE THIS COMMUNITY CLEANED UP, UH, FROM DIRTY DUMPING AND CRIME IN THE AREA. THEY WANT THEIR FAMILIES TO BE, TO BE CLEAN. THEY WANT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE CLEAN AND HAD TO HAVE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THE ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS THAT I HEARD YESTERDAY WAS THAT, UM, THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORS AS YOU, UH, WELL HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION, UH, THAT THE AREA, UM, THAT THE NEIGHBORS DID NOT WANT. UM, EXCUSE ME, IF I CAN GET THE, MY PHONE HERE. WELL, I'LL COME BACK TO THE SENTIMENT HERE. OKAY. CAN I SHOW THAT PLEASE? UH, THEY, THEY DID NOT ONE, TWO STORY HOUSE. UH, THE PREDOMINANTLY THESE AREA, THIS HOUSE THAT I'M SHOWING RIGHT HERE IS A TWO STORY. IT'S APPROXIMATELY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 35 FEET HIGH. UH, THE, UH, HOUSE THAT THE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS 20, UH, 22 PLUS, UH, MAYBE A TWO FEET HIGH, UH, WITH A PEAK ROOF, UH, THERE. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, UNDERSTANDABLE WHEN THEY SAY THAT THERE'S NO OTHER HOUSES IN THE AREA. THE NEIGHBORS THAT I TALKED TO PREDOMINANTLY, UH, DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM BEING SECOND STORIES, TWO STORIES HIGH, THE, UH, DUPLEX. SECOND OF ALL, PREDOMINANTLY THOSE, UH, HOUSES IN THAT AREA WERE BARRACKS. AND THE OLD NA FORT SAM HOUSTON, UH, DUPLEXES, THE MAJORITY OF 'EM ARE ALL RENTERS RIGHT NOW. UM, AGAIN, UH, WE ARE, WE HAVE A PROCESS IN GOVERNMENT HILL. WE ASK THEM TO GO OUT TO, TO HAVE A, THE ZONING NORMALLY SENDS 'EM TO US. WE BRING 'EM TO THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE PUBLIC INPUT AND WE TAKE A VOTE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE ALWAYS INSTRUCTED ALL OUR COMMUNITY PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE NOT ENGAGED, YOU'RE NOT COMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE CITY WEBSITE ON THE B SESSION OR THE A SESSION. SEE THE AGENDA, SEE THE ZONING, UH, THERE, IT'S ZONING. UH, COMMISSION HAS EVEN MADE IT APPROPRIATE. NOW EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT. SO IT'S, THERE'S NO SECRETS. OKAY? UH, WE DO REQUIRED FOR THEM. WE, ONE OF THE MAJOR PET PEEVES THAT WE HAVE AS ASSOCIATION, WE WANT THEM TO GO OUT THERE AND TALK TO THE COMMUNITY, GET SIGNATURES. UH, THE, THE, THE OWNERS WERE TOLD BY THE OTHER NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION NOT TO GET SIGNATURES BECAUSE IF THEY GOT SIGNATURES FROM THESE PEOPLE THAT THEIR SIGNATURES WERE GONNA BE USED IN THE WRONG MA WAY. SO THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A TOTAL, UH, MISLEADING THERE. UM, THIS IS A ROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO FOR SOME, FOR, FOR, FOR A YOUNG, FOR A YOUNG, UH, MAN SUCH AS DEVELOPER TO COME INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS AND TO TAKE, TO TAKE A CHANCE TO INVEST, I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT. NEIGHBORS WANNA SEE CHANGE. THEY DON'T WANNA SEE MORE DUMPING. THEY WANNA SEE A PRO. UH, A PRETTY PROJECT THAT WILL CONTINUE, WILL CONTINUE TO MOTIVATE OTHER, UH, OWNERS IN THAT AREA TO DO BETTER BY THEIR NEIGHBORS. THIS HAS BEEN, THIS HAS BEEN POSTPONED TWICE WITHOUT A FULL INVESTIGATION OF WHERE THE PROCESS STARTED. I, UM, WHEN APOLOGIZED TO THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE I DIDN'T COME IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, I THOUGHT THAT IT HAD PASSED. SO I PUT MY APOLOGIES THERE. UM, BUT WHEN I HEARD THAT IT HAD BEEN DE UH, POSTPONED TWICE WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE ASSOCIATION, OR DISTRICT TWO NOT COMING BACK AND TELLING ME THAT WE HAD SUBMITTED A LETTER OF, UH, SUPPORT AND WHY IT WAS COMING BACK FOR MORE, FOR MORE INFORMATION, MORE COMMUNITY INPUT, WHICH IS FINE, BUT NOBODY EVER ASKED US TO SHOW, UH, PROOF THAT THERE WAS A MEETING. THERE WAS PEOPLE THAT SIGNED INTO OUR MEETING. UH, THIS APPLICANT CAME OUT ONCE, BUT TWICE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE, UH, OUTCOME OF THEIR SO NEIGHBORS WERE INFORMED. AND LIKE I SAID, UM, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, AN ONGOING, UM, ISSUE. I THINK THE, THE MAIN THING THAT I'D LIKE TO EX EXPRESS TODAY IS, UM, OUR COMMUNITY IS DIVIDED. WE'VE BEEN DIVIDED FOR SOME TIME WITH DEVELOPMENT AND MANY OF YOU THAT ARE IN HISTORIC KNOW THAT, BUT WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO ATTACK EACH OTHER OR NOT WANNA WORK WITH PEOPLE. THEY'RE WANTING TO COME IN AND THIS PERSON HASN'T EVEN HAD THE COMPLETE SIDE PLAN. SO I THINK THEY'RE WANTING TO WORK WITH ALL ENTITIES, BUT YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT WE'RE HERE, WE ARE GOING TO TURN SOMETHING ELSE AGAIN, DOWN AGAIN, WHEN YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOT EVEN PARKING PARK PEOPLE ON THAT STREET ON B STREET HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET. THIS PROJECT IS GONNA ELIMINATE, IS GONNA BRING IN PARKING ONTO THE PAR ACTUAL PROPERTY, THE SETBACKS, THE HEIGHT, THE PROJECT, ALL THE PROPER REGULATIONS THAT THE CITY ZONING HAS REQUESTED, HAVE BEEN COMPLIED WITH. AND HAVE, THEY HAVE SHOWN US THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND [03:10:01] CONTINUE TO LIST TO THE COMMUNITY AS THEY DEVELOP THESE PLANS. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD THEM SAY, WELL, THIS ISN'T STONE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA WORK WITH YOU ANYMORE. WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU, NOT AGAINST YOU. SO ULTIMATELY I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO, YOU KNOW, STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT, UM, WE ARE THE, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE, WE HAVE BEEN, THEY HAVE BEEN TELL TELLING PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE DON'T, UH, EXIST. UH, AND UH, THEREFORE THERE WAS A CONFUSION WITH THE OWNERS THAT CAME BACK TO ME YESTERDAY AND I SAID, WE WILL NOT, WE WILL PULL THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT IF YOU DO NOT GO BACK OUT THERE AND TALK TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND YOU GO BACK OUT THERE AND GET SIGNATURES. SO THEREFORE, I THINK THEY HAVE 15 SIGNATURES THAT WERE IN SUPPORT, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON WE SAID, WE HAVE A PROCESS, WE'RE NOT GONNA BREAK THAT PROCESS AND WE WILL PULL OUT THEIR SUPPORT. SO THEY DID GO OUT THERE AND TALK TO THEM. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WANTED TO STATE THAT THIS, UM, THANK YOU MS. HILL, THAT YOUR TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S ALL THAT'S SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. VERY GOOD. UM, THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU LIKE A SHORT REBUTTAL? YES, SIR. OKAY. IF I COULD GET MY PLANS BACK, PLEASE. I HAVE TO HAVE THIS FOR THE MS. HAWKINS, CAN YOU PLEASE RETURN THE PLANS TO STAFF? THANK YOU. MS. HAWKINS, CAN YOU RE RETURN THOSE PLANS TO STAFF? MS. HAWKINS, THEY'RE HER PLANS. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAFF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. HAWKINS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. AND THIS WILL BE THE PAGE, THAT PAGE RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. UM, I KNOW I HAVE A, A COUPLE OF MINUTES CORRECT. UM, I, WE COULD SHOW THAT PAGE REAL QUICK. I KNOW AGAIN, WHEN WE MET YESTERDAY WITH THE COMMUNITY, OF COURSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THE FRONT. I'VE ADVISED THAT THESE ARE PRELIMINARY PLANS. UM, IT DOESN'T SHOW IN GREAT DETAIL. THE AWNING, EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW IS GETTING THROUGH ZONING. WE STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND IF THEY'RE ASKING US TO CHANGE SOME ITEMS, UM, I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW IT APPEARS VERY PLAIN, ESPECIALLY RIGHT AT THE FRONT. UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS MAYBE PUTTING AN AWNING RIGHT THERE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER IS DEFINITELY FOR. WE WANT TO APPEASE THE COMMUNITY, UM, ON THERE. AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROOF, THE TWO STORY, IT STARTS AT THE 22 AND JUST AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL IN THE WAY THEY'RE FACING. SO, UM, I KNOW SOMETHING WASN'T BROUGHT UP ABOUT A CONCERN, BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND BRING IT UP. UM, THEY'RE FACING EACH OTHER AND I KNOW ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE FIREWORKS ANYMORE BECAUSE IF IT BECAME A TWO STORY, I GET IT. WE ALL LOVE FIREWORKS. THEY GO UP PRETTY HIGH, RIGHT? BUT THERE IS A 10 FOOT BETWEEN THERE THAT THE NEIGHBORS ALLOW , THEY CAN STILL SEE THE FIREWORKS. WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA TAKE AWAY FROM THIS. WE WANNA IMPROVE THE AREA ON THERE. AND, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT ARE THE OTHER ONES CONCERNED. UM, WE DID SPEAK WITH SOME NEIGHBORS. THEY ARE, THEY, AGAIN, WE WENT, THE SUPPORT WE DID GET WAS BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S A VACANT LOT THAT'S BEEN THERE. AND WE DEFINITELY WANNA DEVELOP. I MEAN, I'M FROM SAN ANTONIO, I'M FROM THE SOUTH SIDE. I'M PRETTY PROUD OF THAT. AND I'M ALWAYS PROUD ABOUT ANY AREA AND ANY PROJECT I GET TO INVOLVED IN THAT'S GONNA DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, HELP IT, UH, MOVE RIGHT ALONG. SO, UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME THAT I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. TRY TO STAY A LITTLE CLOSE. WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE, SO COMMISSIONER WATSON TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS FIRST. UH, THE APPLICANT, YOU CAN STAY UP THERE PLEASE. YES, MA'AM. I BELIEVE ONE OF THE MAJOR POINTS OF COMPROMISE IN THE MEETING THAT WAS HELD YESTERDAY WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE A, UH, WRITTEN IN COMPONENT ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WOULD STIPULATE THE HEIGHT, UM, THAT WAS THE LARGEST AREA OF CONCERN FROM PEOPLE THAT WERE OPPOSED. AND I HAVEN'T HEARD YOU MENTION IT SO FAR IN YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY. SO CAN YOU PLEASE CONFIRM THAT THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, NOT JUST YOUR PRELIMINARY PLANS, WILL HAVE THAT HEIGHT? YES, THEY WILL. OKAY. WE'VE, I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE DEVELOPER IN FACT LAST NIGHT AND HERE, UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ INTO THE RECORD WHAT THAT HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS AND CONFIRM THAT YOU CERTAINLY. SO, UM, WANNA MAKE SURE HOW I I WORD THIS. SO THE HIGHEST PEAK WOULD NOT GO OVER THE 23 AND A QUARTER. SO IF I COULD SAY 24, IS THAT OKAY? THAT IS OKAY. . I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT, IF WE GO OVER A COUPLE INCHES, SOMEBODY COMES BACK AND DINGS US. SO NO HIGHER THAN 24. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WATSON. [03:15:01] QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UH, ONE QUESTION I HAVE STAFF, THIS IS A ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, AND SOME OF THE ISSUES REGARDED OR TO ME SEEM TO DEAL WITH DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, DESIGN STANDARDS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IS THAT A PROPER CONSIDERATION FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION? BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER TYPE OF OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT RESTRICTS DESIGN STANDARDS. IT WOULDN'T, WHAT WE'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS JUST USE IS PERMITTED BY RIDE AND THE R SIX WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE TWO U TWO D, RIGHT? TWO DUPLEXES. SO THERE IS NO N C D OVERLAY HERE. THERE IS NO H OVERLAY HERE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THE QUESTION IS HOW CAN THE LAND BE USED? THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER WATSON TO YOU FOR A DISCUSSION AND A MOTION. UH, YES. SO TO THAT POINT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO CAME TODAY AND, UM, PRESENTED THEIR CASE AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT FOR BEING HERE. THAT ZONING COMMISSION DOES DEAL WITH LAND USE. IT DOES NOT DEAL WITH DESIGN STANDARDS. THOSE ARE A VALID PART OF ALL CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE WE WANT DEVELOPMENT TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. UM, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE ZONING COMMISSION AND WHAT ZONING DECISIONS HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON. AND THAT IS LAND USE. UM, WE KNOW IN DISTRICT TWO THAT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WITH REPRESENTATION AND ACCESS. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO STATE ON THE RECORD THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAVE PROCESSES THAT ARE IN PLACE. IT IS HELPFUL ALWAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET WRITTEN CONSENT. UM, IF YOU ARE A DEVELOPER OR, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHO IS IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION OF ANY, UH, CASE IN DISTRICT TWO, UM, IT IS DIFFICULT TO TAKE ON FAITH THAT THERE IS SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT FOR A CASE. UM, AND I WILL ALWAYS, WHILE I AM HERE, MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE IT IN WRITING. UM, AND SO I WOULD JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE AS AS ADVICE. UM, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE KNOW THERE IS A NEED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE EAST SIDE, NOT ALL DEVELOPMENT IS GOOD DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND NOT ALL DEVELOPMENT IS BAD DEVELOPMENT. SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR MAKING A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO, UM, REACH OUT TO CONCERNED NEIGHBORS. UM, CLEARLY THERE IS A GOOD AMOUNT OF SUPPORT IN THE IMMEDIATE 200 FOOT AREA AND IT IS, UM, COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I PARTICULARLY WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THEM FOR DOING CONDITIONAL USE, UM, RATHER THAN OPTING TO, UH, APPLY FOR REZONING FOR A HIGHER INAPPROPRIATE DENSITY. UM, THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. UM, SECOND. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM SIX BY COMMISSIONER WATSON WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. DISCUSSION COMMERS TO MY LEFT, COMMERS TO MY RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. SEEING NONE. THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR TANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND LETTING US KNOW ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, WE WILL [7. (Continued from 10/19/2021) ZONING CASE Z202110700200 (Council District 2)] MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THANK YOU MR. BENSON, FOR YOUR PATIENCE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS REBECCA RODRIGUEZ, PLANNER WITH CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM RMM FOUR TO C TWO P WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 0 3 BROWN AND 1403 EAST HOUSTON. THERE WERE 29 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, FIVE IN OPPOSITION AND NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. THERE ARE TWO OPPOSED OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT RADIUS AND ONE IN SUPPORT. THE EXISTING RMM FOUR IS AN EX AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO P IS ALSO APPROPRIATE AS THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN A CORNER LOT ADJACENT TO PROPERTY ZONE D DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. THIS WILL ALLOW FOR A LIMITED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WHILE ALSO PROVIDING A BUFFER BETWEEN NEIGHBOR PROPERTIES ZONE RMM FOUR RESIDENTIAL MIXED DISTRICT AND D DOWNTOWN. APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THERE WILL BE AMENDING THE REQUEST TO RM FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A PARKING LOT. THE AMENDED REQUEST HAS FOREIGN SUPPORT [03:20:01] WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY, FOREIGN SUPPORT OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY AND ONE IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. MR. BENSON, IF YOU'D COME FORWARD AND TELL US ABOUT THIS ZONING REQUEST. MR. CHAIRMAN, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AS WELL. SORRY. THANK YOU. BUCK BENSON, 7 4 5 EAST MULBERRY SUITE FIVE 50 HERE FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, THE VELOCITY CENTER, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUEST IS TO, WELL I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT WITH THIS AROUND MY EARS. SORRY. JUST GOT USED TO THAT. UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE SMALL PORTION, UH, FOR A PARKING LOT TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, PARKING FOR THE, THE CENTER FOR RESIDENT, I MEAN FOR TENANTS EMPLOYEES. UH, WE HAVE HAD, UH, SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH DIGNITY WITTY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS PEOPLE WITHIN 200 FEET. UH, PART OF THE, THE RESULT OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS TO AMEND THE REQUEST FROM C TWO TO RMM FOUR WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR A PARKING LOT. UM, THEREBY I'M THEREFORE MAKING THAT, UM, REQUEST ON ON AT THE DIOCESE. UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE, BUT I FEEL LIKE, UH, WITH THE COMMISSIONER, UH, WATSON'S, UH, LEADERSHIP ON THIS, WE'VE HAD ABOUT AS MUCH A DIALOGUE AS I THINK WE CAN WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND ARE HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS REQUEST. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. BENSON. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCCINCT. UM, IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NOBODY'S SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL. COULD WE PLEASE PLAY THE VOICEMAIL AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS. I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNITY HILL CONCERNED NEIGHBORS ON ZONING CASE NUMBER SEVEN SEVEN. THE DIGNITY HILLS CONCERNED THAT NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT VELOCITY'S REQUEST TO AMEND THE ZONING REQUEST FROM C TWO P H TO R FOUR CD WITH THE CONDITION THAT THIS LOT WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO BE USED AS A PARKING LOT BY VELOCITY AND ANY FUTURE OWNERS OF THIS LOT WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT IF ANY OTHER TYPE OF ZONING IS REQUESTED, THAT IT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S ZONING PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN TO PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS THAT FALL WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY OF THIS PROPERTY AND THE OP THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER SUPPORT OR OPPOSE ANY NEW ZONING REQUEST. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK VELOCITY FOR AGREEING TO COMPROMISE SO THAT THE REQUEST TO REZONE TO RM FOUR CD EASES THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS WHO FALL WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY WHILE STILL ALLOWING THE APPLICANT TO BUILD A PARKING LOT THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD. I WOULD LIKE TO ESPECIALLY THANK THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT FALL WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BOUNDARY FOR TAKING AN ACTIVE PART IN THIS PROCESS SO THAT THEIR VOICES CAN BE HEARD AS WELL AS OTHER DIGNA WOODHILL RESIDENTS WHO TOOK AN INTEREST IN THIS CASE. IT SEEMS AS IF WE HAVE A WIN-WIN FOR THIS ZONING CASE, WHICH AS EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS, DOESN'T VERY OFTEN HAPPEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. FRANCOIS. UH, MR. BENSON? I DON'T THINK A REBUTTALS NECESSARY. NO, SIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER WATSON TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. UM, THIS WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL EXAMPLE I THINK ESPECIALLY FOR OUR DISTRICT, WHICH STRUGGLES WITH REPRESENTATION AND ACCESS IN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL AS SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY THAT STRUGGLES WITH SOCIOECONOMIC AND RACIAL CHALLENGES OF A ZONING CASE THAT WAS HANDLED WELL AND CAN WORK TO THE BENEFIT OF BOTH THE DEVELOPER, UM, OR APPLICANT AND THE COMMUNITY. UM, I'D LIKE TO COMMEND CONCERN NEIGHBORS OF DITY HILL, THE DITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE COUNCIL OFFICE, AND THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS VELOCITY TEXAS FOR BEING WILLING TO DO THE WORK TO GO THROUGH A FAIR TRANSPARENT PROCESS SO EVERYONE COULD COME TO A GOOD OUTCOME. UM, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT AREA TO DEVELOP AND A PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT LOT TO DEVELOP. NOT MANY PROJECTS WOULD EFFECTIVELY WORK HERE. UM, AND THAT HAD BEEN MENTIONED IN SEVERAL OF THE MEETINGS AND DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT THE FACT, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS THAT VERY LITTLE BESIDES A PARKING LOT COULD EVER BE BUILT ON THIS LOT. UM, AND RATHER THAN JUST OPT TO KEEP THE C TWO ZONING, THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ENSURE, UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE WAS APPLIED FOR SO THAT OTHER POTENTIAL ADVERSE EFFECTS FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE PREVENTED. UM, THIS IS A WIN-WIN. THIS IS A GREAT ASSET TO DISTRICT TWO AND THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, VELOCITY TEXAS IS DOING WONDERFUL WORK. UM, AND IT ALSO IS A GREAT TESTAMENT TO THE FACT THAT EVEN WHEN THERE'S DIVISION AND DISAGREEMENT IN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, CONCERN, NEIGHBORS CAN COME TO IT TOGETHER FOR EFFECTIVE DIALOGUE. UM, SO PLEASE TAKE NOTE FUTURE APPLICANTS. THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND I MOVE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TO SUPPORT THE, UM, REZONING REQUEST AS AMENDED FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. YES. AS AMENDED. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT, I, I'M GONNA GO WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER BARROS 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT HIM WHEN HE SAID IT. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THOUGH REALLY QUICKLY TO MY LEFT? QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. ALRIGHT. DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT. DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT. DISCUSSION REMOTELY. HEARING NONE. UH, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AS AMENDED WITH BY COMMISSIONER WATSON WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOTTLES ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. [03:25:01] COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR. AYE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, ONE QUICK, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE QUESTION BEFORE WE GO FORWARD. WE HAVE FOUR CASES LEFT, UH, AS WELL AS MINUTES AND A DIRECTOR'S REPORT. ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? TO MY LEFT? NO. TO MY RIGHT. NO. YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK? NOPE. I'LL STICK IT OUT. ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, OTHERWISE YOU CAN ALSO JUST CYCLE OUT. UM, SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND PRESS ON. SO IF WE CAN MOVE [8. (Continued from 10/19/2021) ZONING CASE Z202110700244 CD (Council District 1)] ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS REBECCA RODRIGUEZ, PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE ZONING FROM R SIX TO R FIVE CD, UH, CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 2 2 1 ROSE LANE. THERE WERE 39 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION. AND TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS NEITHER IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF THE CRUST. THE EXISTING R SIX IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED R FIVE CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS IS ALSO APPROPRIATE AS THERE ARE VARIOUS TWO, TWO UNIT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH. MULTIPLE PROPERTIES WITHIN A REASONABLE DISTANCE OF THE SUBJECT SITE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW FOR TWO UNITS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND TELL US ABOUT THIS PROJECT. INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS JOHN CORTEZ. I RESIDE AT 86 ROUNDUP IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT, UH, WE JUST RECENTLY PURCHASED. UM, WE'VE DONE THE SAME THING RIGHT DOWN THE STREET ON, UH, FRENCH AND GILLESPIE AND, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WITH THIS. WE MET WITH THE, UH, UH, RICK SHELL, RICK CHANEL, UM, MET WITH, UH, SUMMER, UH, GREATHOUSE. AND UH, WE ALSO MET WITH, UH, OUR, UM, UM, SURVEYOR, UH, WENT OVER THE, UH, PROJECT. UM, AND THIS WAS THE PRIOR ONE ON, UH, ON FRENCH AND GILLESPIE. UM, RE JUST RECENTLY WE HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, MR. SHELL AND, UH, TWO MEMBERS OF THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, NOW WE'RE AT THIS POINT . ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. ARE THERE ANY, ANY PERSONS TO BE HEARD? NO ONE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE. ANY DOGS TO BE HEARD? ALRIGHT, UH, HEARING NONE. UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE AND GO TO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. OKAY. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS. UM, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT TYPE OF STREET ROSE LANE IS? EXCUSE ME? IT'S CLASSIFIED AS LOCAL. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE IT UNDER THE WIDTH OF THE STREET? I DO NOT, NO. ON THE WIDTH. AND DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF IT MEETS, UM, THE STANDARDS FOR A STREET? NO, NOT CAT. SO THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT OF WAY AND WHAT THE PAVEMENT WIDTH IS TODAY. SO, UM, I, WE DON'T HAVE A MEASUREMENT TODAY OF, OF WHAT THE PAVEMENT WIDTH IS TODAY. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, IN THE REPORT YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE OTHER CONDITIONAL USES THERE. COULD YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHAT THAT WAS? SO, UM, I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH, THAT ONE IS AN RMM FOUR, UM, I BELIEVE, CAN YOU MOVE THAT UP? YEAH. SO THE ONE DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH IS RMM FOUR. UM, EVEN A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES WITHIN ROSE LANE ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, OF THE BLOCK. UM, WE'RE HAD A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO UNITS. WE ALSO FOUND I D Z ONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER RMM FOUR ZONINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY, THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UM, ALSO I WAS REMISS, UH, I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT AT 4 36, [03:30:01] COMMISSIONER HUEY, UH, DID LEAVE OUR MEETING. SO THANK YOU. UH, ANY COMM ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? SEEING NONE, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE DISCUSSION AND MOTION. THANKS. UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS A HARD CASE FOR ME. UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT GOING ON, WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS. THIS CASE IS DIFFICULT. UM, BECAUSE I TYPICALLY LIKE TO SUPPORT INCREMENTAL DENSIFICATION FOR PUBLIC POLICY REASONS. I THINK IT'S GENERALLY A GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY THAT'S GROWING AND IT ADDS TO OUR HOUSING STOCK. THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO LAND USE AND TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT I THINK THAT IT BENEFITS. HOWEVER, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, ROSE LANE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT. I BET COMMISSIONER ROMERO IS, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ALWAYS FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHING . IT IS A REALLY, REALLY NARROW STREET. I DON'T THINK IT ACTUALLY SHOULD EVEN QUALIFY AS A STREET BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ONLY WIDE ENOUGH FOR ONE CAR. UM, AND I, I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I DROVE AROUND ON THERE ON THE, THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT THE APPLICANT REFERENCED. SO I JUST HAVE A CONCERN WITH SETTING A PRECEDENT GOING FORWARD WITH THIS INCREMENTAL DENSIFICATION. BY MY COUNT, THERE ARE 30 LOTS ON THE THREE BLOCKS OF ROSE LANE BETWEEN MCCULLOUGH AND ST. MARY'S. OF THOSE THERE ARE TWO RMM FOURS. IT APPEARS THERE IS ONE CD THAT IS ACROSS THE STREET, UM, THAT IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THAT PARTICULAR LOT GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS. UM, AND IT HAS ACCESS FROM THE STREET JUST TO THE SOUTH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ASHBY. SO THIS, I I JUST HAVE A CONCERN WITH RESPECT TO THE SETTING A TREND OF INCREMENTALLY DENSIFYING THIS AND TO WHERE WE'RE DOUBLING WHAT IS THERE. AND THERE IS NO WAY TO WIDEN THE STREET BECAUSE OF WHERE THE, THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED. THEY ARE VERY NEAR THE, UM, RIGHT OF WAY. SO BECAUSE OF HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE AND ADVERSE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION FOR DENIAL FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. OKAY, THANK YOU. THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND MCDANIEL? THERE IS A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER'S TO MY LEFT COMMISSIONER'S, TO MY RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES. I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION BECAUSE I, I, I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE KNOWS THIS AREA BETTER THAN THE REST OF US. UM, AND IT, IT, IT DOES, UH, I HATE TO GO BACK INTO MY, IF THIS WAS ON THE CORNER OF A LOT, A CORNER OF ANOTHER STREET, BUT UNFORTUNATELY SINCE IT'S MID-BLOCK IT IT ON ON SUCH A SMALL NARROW STREET. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE THAT THAT'S TOO MUCH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES. I THINK I AM ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION. AND PART OF THE REASON IS I THINK IF THE STREET IS THE ISSUE, THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT. AND BECAUSE I THINK WE DO AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A CITY WANT THIS INCREASED, UH, DENSIFICATION. UM, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, A CAR MAY NOT BE NECESSARY SUCH AS A PLACE BETWEEN MCCULLOUGH AND ST. MARY'S. UH, I THINK YOU COULD MAKE THE STREET ONE WAY. IDEALLY PEOPLE WILL STOP DRIVING CARS SO MUCH, ALTHOUGH THAT IS PIE IN THE SKY. I WILL GRANT YOU. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION AT THIS TIME DISCUSSION. SURE. SINCE I LIKE TO REBUT, UM, MY OWN COMMENTS AND, AND YOUR COMMENTS, BUT TWO LAWYERS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA JUST HAVE A BACK AND FORTH. UM, I DO TAKE YOUR POINT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK IF THERE WERE WAS A POTENTIAL TO BUILD SIDEWALKS HERE AND OTHER THINGS TO MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A FANTASTIC POINT. AND, AND I WOULD MAYBE BE GOING THE OTHER WAY. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT CASE FOR ME. SO THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT. YEAH. THANKS FOR THE GOOD REBUTTAL. I DON'T HAVE A ONE. UM, BUT ANYWAY, I'M STICKING WITH MY POSITION, . ALL RIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. UH, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER [03:35:01] KAMIT? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? NO. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. UM, NAY. NO. MOTION PASSES SYSTEM NOW IN CASE THAT WAS UNCLEAR. UH, I REALIZED. ALRIGHT. VERY [11. ZONING CASE Z202110700164 (Council District 1)] WELL. WE WILL MOVE ON NOW TO INDIVIDUAL ITEM NUMBER 11. THIS IS REZONING FROM C TWO AND EIGHT TO C TWO LOCATED AT 1603 AND 1607 WEST AROSA DRIVE. THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. UH, THREE NOTICES RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURN OPPOSED NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THERE WERE 39 LETTERS IN. SIGNATURES RECEIVED IN SUPPORT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? SIR, IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GIVE US THE ADDRESS AND TELL US WHY YOU'RE SEEKING THIS REZONING. THANK YOU. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, MY NAME IS DAM ZARZA. I RESIDE AT 54 11 PER FARM AND I'M HERE, UH, RESUBMITTING THIS APPLICATION. UM, ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD LAST TIME. WE WERE, UH, WE SUBMITTED INITIALLY FOR ONLY PROPERTY 1607 AND OUR SUBMITTING IS MY BROTHER AND I, UH, THE OWNERS OF 1607 AND 1603. TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF TAKING THE DRINKS TO THE OTHER PROPERTY, WE ARE ASKING TO REMOVE THE NA UH, RESTRICTION FROM THE PROPERTY SO WE'RE ABLE TO SELL BEER AND ALCOHOL. UM, WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORS. WE GOT A LOT OF, UH, SUPPORT. WE GOT 39 SIGNATURES IN SUPPORT AND THEN ALSO THE THREE NOTICES THAT CAME BACK. UM, THE RESPONSE FROM THE NEIGHBORS. WE, UM, ALSO CONTACTED THE TWO SCHOOLS, UH, CLOSE TO US, WOODWARD, UH, WOOD WILSON. UM, THEY DIDN'T WANNA HAVE A SAY ON IT. THEY SAID THEY'LL STAY NEUTRAL. AND WE CONTACTED ST. MARY MAGDALENE CHURCH AND WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THEM THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAND OUT. UM, AS WELL AS THE SIGNATURES THAT WE COLLECTED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE'VE BEEN OPEN FOR BUSINESS SINCE MARCH. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, UM, WE ARE HIRING FIVE PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CREATE, EMPLOY, UH, EMPLOYMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN AS WELL THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION ON THE REQUEST. I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT MY BUSINESS AND THE OPERATIONS THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE REALLY, REALLY GOOD, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS. THEY LIKE WHAT WE DO AND ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE AS YOU MAY KNOW, THIS USED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BUSINESSES AROUND THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THEY LIKE TO GO THERE AND EAT AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE FAMILY TIME. UM, WE WANNA KEEP THE OPERATIONS AS WE'RE DOING IT. IT'S ONLY WEEKEND. IT'S, UH, SIX TO 12 FAMILY ORIENTED. UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES, THEY GO THERE WITH THEIR KIDS. UH, THE PEOPLE FROM ST. MARY MAGDALENE, THEY, UM, GO THERE A LOT. UM, AND I THINK IT'S, UH, BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY IF WE'RE ABLE TO REMOVE D N A SO WE CAN REGULATE THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE, UH, OFFERING OR LETTING THE CUSTOMERS BRING THEIR OWN BEER. AND IF WE REMOVE D N A, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REGULATE THE CONSUMPTION AND, YOU KNOW, APPLY FOR THE T A B C LICENSE. I ALSO CONTACTED THE T A B C, UM, AS I WAS ASKED LAST TIME. UM, BASICALLY THEY SAY IF THERE'S NO MONEY INVOLVED, IF THERE'S NO SALE OF ALCOHOL, THEY WON'T GET INVOLVED AT ALL. UM, BASICALLY THE STATE LAWS ABOUT ALCOHOL, THEY STILL APPLY TO THE PROPERTY LIKE ANY OTHER PROPERTY IN TEXAS, BUT THEN IT'LL BE, UM, UP TO THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES TO ENFORCE, OR THE T A B C WON'T GET INVOLVED AT ALL. SO I THINK IT'LL BE VERY BENEFICIAL, YOU KNOW, IF WE REMOVE THAT RESTRICTION AND I APPLY FOR THE ALCOHOL LICENSE AND I'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SALES AND THE CONSUMPTION ON MY PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND ON THE APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, ANY PERSONS TO BE HEARD? JERRY ARRADONDO? MR. ARRADONDO, YOU CAN READ. I [03:40:02] HE SHOULD BE ON THE LIST. THEY HAVE TO CALL ME. BE ON THE LIST. YES, HE'S ON THE LIST. THOMAS LA . ALRIGHT. NORMALLY WE DON'T LET PEOPLE PICK THEIR SPOTS, BUT IT'S OKAY. IT'S A TONGUE TWISTER. I KNOW IT'S HARD TO MR. ALDE, IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY. SIR, MY NAME IS THOMAS ALDE. I AM AT 3 4 4 WAX WOOD IN SAN ANTONIO. AND I'M JUST GONNA READ THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM ST. MARY MAGDALENE CHURCH. UH, THE LETTERS TO INFORM, UH, TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, THE LETTER INFORM THAT WE ARE PLEASED WITH THE LITTLE, UH, MEXICO BUSINESS. UH, WE ARE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET AND IN OUR OPINION, LITTLE MEXICO IS GOOD. AND FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SEVERAL OF OUR PA PARISHIONERS ARE CUSTOMERS AND WE RECEIVE GREAT FEEDBACK ABOUT THE BUSINESS. WE ARE GLAD WE HAVE LITTLE MEXICO'S NEIGHBORS, MAINLY BECAUSE THEY'RE FAMILY ORIENTED. AND WE, UH, JUST AS WE ARE AT ST. MARY MAGDALENE CHURCH, UH, WE HAVE A MISSION OF EVANGELIZING FAMILIES AND WE CREATE EVENTS, MINISTRIES, FUNDRAISERS, ET CETERA, ALWAYS WITH FAMILY AS A PRIORITY. WE ENCOURAGE OUR PARISHIONERS TO GO TO SPEND TIME AS A FAMILY WITH LITTLE MEXICO BECAUSE THEY HAVE PLENTY OF OPEN AIR SEATING, UH, FOR CHILDREN GROWNUPS. AND THIS AT, AT THIS TIME OF COVID, OPEN AIR AND SOCIAL DISTANCE SEATING IS A MUST. ALSO, THEY ARE A, HAVE MEXICAN FOOD AND MEXICAN MUSIC, AND MOST OF OUR FAMILIES ARE HISPANIC AND REMINDS THEM OF THEIR ROOTS. OUR PARISHIONERS HAVE, UH, SHARED WITH US THAT THEY FEEL VERY WELCOMED AT LITTLE MEXICO, EVEN WHEN THEY BRING THEIR BABIES AND TODDLERS WHO ARE LOUD AND RUN AROUND AND OTHER RESTAURANTS, PEOPLE HAVE MADE THEM FEEL UNWELCOME. UH, OR OTHER FOOD TRUCKS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREETS, UNSAFE FOR LITTLE TRI CHILDREN. LITTLE MEXICO IS OPEN AIR AND THE SAME TIME ENCLOSED, WHICH MAKES IT PERFECT FOR THE LITTLE CHILDREN. MANY TIMES WE HAVE, UH, HAD CHURCH FUNCTIONS AND OUR FAMILIES FIND IT VERY EASY TO GO AND HAVE SOME FELLOWSHIP, UH, TIME, UH, FROM LITTLE MEXICO SINCE IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM US AS THEY ARE CLOSE, CLOSER THAN OTHER RESTAURANTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN SUMMARY, WE ARE PLEASED WITH THEIR BUSINESS AND ENJOY HAVING THEM AS NEIGHBORS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT US. AND IT'S SIGNED BY KARINA SOTO, OFFICE MANAGER OF ST. MARY MAGDALENE CHURCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. ALDE. UM, ALRIGHT, MR. ARADONDO. THANK YOU JERRY AO AND, UH, 29 0 2 HILLCREST. AND, UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT WAS ALREADY SAID, WE'VE WORKED VERY, VERY DILIGENTLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, GET, UH, I NEVER SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE GOT PROBABLY ABOUT 99% SUPPORT. PEOPLE EN ENJOY THE, THE, UH, FACILITY. IT'S OPEN ON THE WEEKENDS AND, UH, IT DOES IN EFFECT, EVEN THOUGH THE STREET IS MOSA, IT FACES I 10, WHICH HAS ABOUT 212,000 CARS A DAY THAT THAT PASS BY. SO IT'S, UH, AGAIN, UH, VERY NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTED. AND ALSO IN GETTING THE, TO DROP THE, UH, NA BECAUSE WE ARE LIKE ABOUT 295 FEET AWAY FROM, FROM A, UH, PUBLIC SCHOOL, IT REQUIRES US, UH, ANYTHING THAT'S BEYOND 300 FEET, IT REQUIRES US TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS ONCE WE GET THE ZONING IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE, UH, T A B C REQUIREMENTS. SO IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS. THIS WOULD BE STEP NUMBER ONE. SECOND ONE WOULD BE THE, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, AND THEN THE APPLICATION WOULD THEN BE COMPLETED IN THE PROCESS. THE, UM, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS NOT VERY BIG OKAY. AND WHICH REALLY LENDS ITSELF TO BEING AN OUTSIDE SMALL RESTAURANT. TOTAL PROPERTY IS ABOUT 12,198 SQUARE FEET. AND THE, UH, STAFF AFTER ANALYZING THE LAST, THE LAND USE AS WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AND, UH, THE, UH, WE'VE DONE OUR, LIKE I SAID, OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WITH THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF, THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORS THEMSELVES, BEING ABLE TO, UH, ACTUALLY HIRE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. THE, UH, THE GODDESSES HAS BEEN ABLE TO REALLY CREATE A VERY GOOD LOCAL ENVIRONMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE. AND FOR THAT, UH, I WOULD ASK FOR YARD SUPPORT IN, UH, GRANTING THE, UH, THE, UH, REQUEST FOR THE ZONING CHANGE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. . UM, ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT WE HAVE, WE HAVE VICKY CADE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ALSO. MS. CADE, IF YOU WOULD COME UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. [03:45:04] I'M VICKI CADE AT 1 0 4 0 6 LAZY F TRAIL. HE LOTUS, AND I'LL KEEP THIS VERY SHORT. I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING CHANGE. IT'S A FAMILY RUN BUSINESS, VERY WELL RUN. THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL YOUNG MEN AND IT'S A GREAT VENUE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I HOPE YOU'LL APPROVE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. CADE, WE APPRECIATE THAT BREVITY. UM, ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. JUST, UH, ONE CLARIFICATION, ALL ALCOHOL VARIANCES. GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION, NOT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. VERY GOOD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE AND SO IT IS TO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. YES. UM, STAFF FIRST, UM, SO COULD YOU JUST REMIND US, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THIS CASE, CORRECT. COULD YOU REMIND US WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS AT THE LAST HEARING? UH, WE, WHEN THIS CASE ORIGINALLY CAME TO ZONING COMMISSION, ONLY ONE ADDRESS CAME, UH, FORWARD, WHICH WAS 1607. UM, AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, COULD A BAR BE OPERATED HERE IF REZONED? UH, CURRENTLY NO. BUT IF IT REZONED TO REMOVE THE NA NO. A BAR IS NOT PERMITTED BY. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT WHAT PERCENT OF SALES OF FOOD WOULD IT BE NEEDED, WOULD BE NEEDED FOR IT TO BE CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT? UM, FOR THE REQ, A REQUIREMENT PER CODE IS 25% FOOD SALES IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN ITS, UH, CLASSIFICATION AS A RESTAURANT. SO AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAD 75% OF ITS SALES FROM ALCOHOL WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS 50%. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND SINCE THIS IS NOT A CONDITIONAL USE? NO. OKAY. THANKS. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT COMMISSIONER TO MY RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES AND THEN COMMISSIONER ROME. THESE ARE, IS A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF. UM, YOU, YOU SAID THAT THIS, UM, THE APPLICANT HAD STATED THAT IT WOULD NEED TO GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE OF IT WAS WITHIN 300 FEET OF A SCHOOL. YOU SAID IT NEEDED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. WOULD THAT BE A SEPARATE ITEM VERSUS THE ZONING? YES, IT IS. IT'S CONSIDERED A SEPARATE ITEM. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ZONING FIRST IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE WAIVER OF THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES. COMMISSIONER EARL MIDDLE. UM, I GUESS WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM CITY PARKS DEPARTMENT. NO, WE DON'T. OKAY. AND JUST JUST SO I'M CLEAR, UH, SO, SO THESE ARE FOOD TRUCKS NOW, RIGHT? THERE'S AN ACTUAL STRUCTURE THAT, THAT'S CONSIDERED PART OF THE FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT. OKAY. SO EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID TO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS TRUE WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A NEW STRUCTURE. IT, IT COULD BE THIS STRUCTURE THAT THEY COULD SELL THE ALCOHOL FROM, CORRECT. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT THAN 75%. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER O'. MIDDLE FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMERS TO MY WRIGHT COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. SO QUESTION TO STAFF, WHAT ARE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT? GIVEN THAT IT'S TWO PROPERTIES WHERE, AND I'M STILL NOT CLEAR ON THIS, A FOOD TRUCK MAY OR MAY NOT BE PARKED AND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT USE THE EXISTING HOUSE. SO IF IT IS A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT, I BELIEVE IT'S ONE SPACE PER, IS IT 100 SQUARE FEET OR 200 SQUARE FEET? 100 SQUARE FOOT. THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT. UH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. IS THAT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF THE STRUCTURE? I MEAN, IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM MOBILE FOOD BENDING OR IS THAT JUST BASED ON THE STRUCTURE? IT'S JUST THE STRUCTURE. SO, AND AGAIN, YOU WOULD EXCLUDE AREAS THAT ARE NOT USED FOR, UH, PURPOSES OF, OF EATING AND SEAT AND BEING SEATED. OH, OKAY. UM, I GUESS I'M STILL CONFUSED. SO THIS, THEY HAVE OUTDOOR DINING, RIGHT? CORRECT. UM, DOES, DOES THIS ALLOW THEM TO FOREGO ANY SETBACKS OR THAT KIND OF THING? ARE THEY ALLOWED TO STICK A PARKING SPACE IN THE FRONT YARD [03:50:01] OR, SO THIS IS A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION CURRENTLY TODAY. SO, UH, THEY COULD HAVE A PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT YARD. THERE'S NO, UM, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A RESIDENTIAL USE. SO RESIDENTIAL USE HAVE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITATIONS IN THE FRONT YARD, BUT COMMERCIAL DOES NOT. OKAY. SO THERE'S NO EMPLOYEE. OKAY. UM, SO THIS WOULD MEAN MAYBE THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE UP TO 12 SPOTS UP TO, DEPENDING ON WHAT, LIKE YOU SAID, BACKING OUT AREAS. IT ULTIMATELY, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE FINAL, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE IS. OKAY. AND, UM, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T CONDITIONAL USE, THERE'S NO WAY TO SET HOURS OF OPERATION OR ENSURE THAT THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S NO, IT'S NOT A CONDITIONAL USE. OKAY. AND IF THEY WERE TO DECIDE TO SELL THE PROPERTY UNDER C TWO, THEN ANY OTHER TYPE OF BUSINESS COULD COME IN NORMALLY UNDER C TWO, BUT WITHOUT THE ALCOHOL. SO THEN IT'S LIKE THE COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE ASKED ABOUT ANOTHER BAR OR ANOTHER RESTAURANT COMING IN, IT COULD SERVE ALCOHOL, IS THAT CORRECT? NOT A BAR, BUT A RESTAURANT. BUT CURRENTLY TODAY, A RESTAURANT COULD GO IN THERE, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO SELL ALCOHOL. ANYONE COULD B Y O B. OKAY. UM, AND DO WE KNOW WHEN THE, ANY, I THINK I ASKED YOU THIS LAST TIME, WHEN WAS THE NA APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY? IT WAS REZONED TO C TWO N A IN 2015. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS? COMMERS TO MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER BARTLES, IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT MORE I, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS. I'M GONNA WAIT THEN TILL WE'RE AT THE DISCUSSION PORTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BARTLES, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND MOTION. THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, I MOTIONED FOR DENIAL LAST TIME AND MY OPINION HA HAS NOT CHANGED FOR, UM, MULTIPLE REASONS. AND, AND NO DISRESPECT TO YOUR OPERATION OR TO, TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT, IT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE SUPPORT FROM YOUR CUSTOMERS, YOU HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE CHURCH THAT'S ACROSS THE FREEWAY. UM, YOU HAVE SOME SUPPORT FROM WHAT APPEAR TO BE SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. UM, THERE, MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THIS IS THE FACT THAT IT IS THE, THE BACK FENCE IS UP AGAINST SOMEONE'S HOUSE. UM, THERE'S SOMEONE'S HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN YOUR OPERATION, BUT THE FACT THAT ZONING IS IN PERPETUITY AND BY REMOVING THE NA IT, IT LEAVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT SELLS A MAJORITY OF, OR A MAJORITY OF ITS INCOME COMES FROM SELLING ALCOHOL. SO, I KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, BOMBAY BICYCLE CLUB IS NOT CONSIDERED A BAR. I THINK I'VE EATEN A BOMBAY BICYCLE CLUB LIKE ONCE, AND I'VE DEFINITELY BEEN THERE WAY MORE THAN ONE TIME. SO THERE, THAT DOES NOT, THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A BAR UNDER THE CITY GUIDELINES, THAT DOES NOT GIVE ME ANY, UM, FEELING OF, UM, SECURITY THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN ESTABLISHMENT IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD COME IN HERE THAT COULD BE EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE FOLKS AROUND IT. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT THERE IS A SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET, UM, UH, THAT IS VERY NEAR AND CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND ABOUT, UM, FOLKS DRIVING IMPAIRED. AND, AND AGAIN, NOT, NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW TO HAPPEN IF, IF THIS WAS TO BE YOUR PROPERTY FOR THE REST OF TIME. BUT WE, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT. SO, UM, WITH ALL THAT SAID, UM, UH, I, I, THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER 11. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL FROM COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ROMERO. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER REBUTTALS. I, I'M GONNA, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. I, UM, I THINK T A B C IS A VERY, VERY STRONG ORGANIZATION. I, I WORK WITH THEM IN A LOT OF ISSUES ON SECURITY AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY STRICT. SO, UH, INSTEAD OF, UH, ANYTHING HAPPENS, T A B C CAN PULL THAT PERMIT WITHIN 24 HOURS OR LESS. SO I, I THINK THAT WE'RE ALLOWING SOME OF THESE OPERATIONS ALREADY IN NORTHSIDE. MARY'S, UH, I'M AWARE OF SEVERAL OF THE FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE DOING THAT KIND OF WORK ON ST. MARY'S AND, UM, AND OTHER AREAS. SOUTH TOWN, VAL STREET. AND SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS AND, UH, I WILL, UH, VOTE IN FAVOR IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER ROBERTOS. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER'S [03:55:01] ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER ROMEO? UM, YEAH, JUST, I JUST WANNA SUPPORT THE COMMISSIONER ON THIS ONE BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW, WE ALWAYS TRY TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT THIS ONE, A BAR IN A NEIGHBORHOOD IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE COMMISSIONER FROM THE DISTRICT REALLY KNOWS BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE. ALTHOUGH I ALWAYS THINK BUCKEYE PARK IS IN MY DISTRICT, BUT IT'S NOT. I THINK IT USED TO BE. UM, I, I JUST, I DON'T, AND I THINK ABOUT THIS ALL 'CAUSE I DRIVE BY HERE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I THINK ABOUT YOU GUYS EVERY DAY WHEN I DRIVE BY THERE. AND I, I MEAN, I REALLY WANNA SUPPORT YOU TOO, BUT I, IN THIS CASE, I DON'T SEE THAT THE BUSINESS HAS TO GO AWAY BECAUSE OF THIS. YOU HAVE AN EXISTING BUSINESS AND AGAIN, I, I REALLY WANNA DEFER TO THE COMMISSIONER ON THIS 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY MUCH OF A CORE NEIGHBORHOOD ISSUE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER OAL, COMMISSIONER TO MY RIGHT FURTHER DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL DISCUSSION. YES, MY POSITION HASN'T CHANGED ON THIS. AND, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE BUSINESS THERE AND THE FOOD THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING TO THE COMMUNITY, IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING OUT AND YOU'RE GETTING REALLY GOOD SUPPORT AND THAT'S A REFLECTION ON YOUR BUSINESS PLAN AND SERVICES. BUT I, IT'S JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE SAID, THIS RUNS WITH THE LAND, THIS REZONING WOULD RUN WITH THE LAND. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT TODAY, IT'S ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT AT THE TIME THESE RESIDENTIAL HOMES WERE REZONED AND FOR WHICH PURPOSE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT OTHER THAN C TWO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THAT TIME OBVIOUSLY RESENTED AND DID NOT WANT AN, UH, ALCOHOL SALES FROM THAT PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHY THE NA WAS ATTACHED. UM, I DON'T, UH, I JUST CAN'T GET ON BOARD WITH A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN THE, IN A RESIDENTIAL SECTION RIGHT WHERE IT'S AT. AND SO I WISH YOU THE BEST, BUT I, I, UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, BEFORE WE GO TO THE SECOND ROUND, UH, I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR DENIAL AND I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT BY VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, YOU ARE VOTING FOR DENIAL BY VOTING AGAINST IT. YOU ARE VOTING AGAINST DENIAL. IT'S A DOUBLE NEGATIVE. BUT, UH, ANY EVENT, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF DENIAL AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO WANT TO DEFER TO OUR, UH, COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR DISTRICTS. UM, AND I HOPE I'M NOT GONNA MAKE A HABIT OUT OF THIS, ALTHOUGH IT APPEARS I HAVE BEEN TODAY. UM, I'LL TAKE IT . PLEASE DO. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, THAT ARE LEADING ME IN FAVOR. AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL'S POINT ABOUT THE NA IN 2015, WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT SAME MOVEMENT NOW UNDERSTANDING THAT ZONING RUNS WITH IN PERPETUITY. WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SEEMS TO WANT THIS, THIS SPECIFIC COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE. THEY CAN GET ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE ALREADY THAT'S ALREADY THERE WITH THE C TWO AND A NOT ANY OTHER, BUT WITHIN C TWO AND A. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN I 10 FRONTAGE. WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR, NON OPPOSITION FROM THE SCHOOL. AND FRANKLY, WE RECENTLY HAD A WINE BAR GO INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS GREAT. IT BACKS UP TO A CHURCH. IT'S WITHIN 150 FEET OF ANOTHER CHURCH AND A SCHOOL. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SEE A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, A NEIGHBORHOOD ESTABLISHMENT SUCH AS THAT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THIS VERY SPECIFIC SUPPORT THAT WE SEEM TO BE SEEING. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. AND TO YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK ONE POINT, UM, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE IS, IS WHILE T A B C DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE AWAY, UM, ALCOHOL LICENSES, UM, AND YOU MENTIONED ST. MARY'S, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY, REALLY GREAT THAT YOU MENTIONED, SAME THE ST. MARY'S STRIP, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN A REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT, UM, SITUATION FOR DISTRICT ONE. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CRIME AND, UM, YOU, YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T SEEN IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOUR DISTRICT, BUT I'VE, I'VE GOTTEN VIDEOS SENT TO ME BY THE CONSTITUENTS OF ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN, THE STREETS RIGHT AROUND THERE. AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE ST. MARY'S STRIP, RIGHT? BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT HAVING AN ALCOHOL USE NEXT TO PEOPLE'S RESIDENCES CAN BE VERY INCOMPATIBLE. AND SEEING THOSE VIDEOS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN BY HOME SECURITY CAMERAS SHOWING PEOPLE DOING MANY, MANY ACTS THAT I'M NOT GONNA SAY BECAUSE THIS IS RECORDED, DOING ALL THE THINGS, UM, IS REALLY DISTURBING. AND AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE [04:00:01] ANYBODY BE SUBJECTED TO THAT IN, IN, IN OUR CITY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS A PROPER, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE DOING OUR DUTY IF, IF WE'RE ALLOWING FOR THAT. AND, AND AGAIN, BUSHMAN AND THE FACT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEEMS TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THEM, OF THEM, THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SOMEONE THAT'S AS HIGH QUALITY OF AN OWNER OR AS GOOD OF A PERSON AS YOU GUYS ARE. AND THAT IS MY CONCERN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER TO MY LEFT, I I'LL COMMISSIONER SIR, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH NORTH SAINT MARY'S AND IT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE OF SECURITY AND, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M WORKING WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE ON A, ON ON, WE CALL THEM ENTERTAINMENT AREAS, UM, TO FIND SOLUTIONS AND ALL, ALL OF THIS IS A ISSUE OF SECURITY AND CONTROL. UH, THE DIFFERENCE IS, UM, IS ONE LOCATION VERSUS 15 LOCATIONS ON THE SAME STREET. SO WHEN YOU HAVE 15 DIFFERENT BARS LOCATED, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ISSUES LIKE THAT. UM, THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I SEE HERE, IT'S A SMALL BUSINESS THAT IS APPRECIATED NOT ONLY BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BY ALSO A CATHOLIC CHURCH, UH, WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS. SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN SMALL BUSINESS. AND, AND I WILL TELL YOU IF YOU LOOK ABOUT, ABOUT HOW SOME OF THIS SMALL BUSINESS SURVIVE IN THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS HAS BEEN THE ADDITIONAL EXTRA INCOME THAT CAME FROM ALCOHOL SALES. AND I CAN TELL YOU TRUE STORIES AND ON THIS OTHER SIDE, UM, AS A CONSULTANT FOR A LOT OF RESTAURANTS, I CAN TELL YOU THE, THE BAD NEWS THAT ANOTHER NATIONAL CHAIN IS CLOSING THEIR DOORS IN SAN ANTONIO. SO WE'LL HAVE 12 LOCATIONS THAT ARE CLOSING THIS WEEK. UH, AND IT'S JUST A LACK OF BUSINESS AND THE, IT IS JUST SAD TO SEE ALL THIS BUSINESS GOING OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE A FORM OF EMPLOYMENT. SO I, THAT'S LIKE WHAT I WANTED TO TELL YOU. I, I WILL SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS AND FOLKS LIKE THIS THAT WORK EVERY DAY AND I, I WELCOME T A B C BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARE VERY, VERY GOOD AT EDUCATING PEOPLE. UH, AND THEY, THEY OFFER INCREDIBLE RESOURCES ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ALCOHOL, THE LIMITS AND THE HOURS AND SO ON. SO I, I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CASES I WANT TO MENTION NORTH SAINT MARY'S BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MONSTER WHERE THINGS ARE BEING OFFERED WITH THE SAME LICENSE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED. SO I WILL SUPPORT, UH, THEIR BUSINESS AND AND TO TO OFFER UM, ALCOHOL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BOTTLES. COMMISSIONER WATSON. UM, IN A VERY ATYPICAL MOVE FOR ME, I WILL ALSO, UH, BE UH, VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION. UM, AND THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC REASONS FOR THIS, UH, DECISION WITH THIS PROPERTY. IF IT WERE EVEN A BLOCK FURTHER IN, I PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE DOING THAT. UM, BECAUSE TO BOTH COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL'S POINTS, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT UM, TO RESPECT AND DEFER TO WHO KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY. UM, AND UH, IN THIS CASE, HOWEVER, WITH THE I 10 FRONTAGE ROAD WITH A PARK NEXT DOOR AND WITH AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, IT IS AND THE FACT THAT IT IS ALREADY AN EXISTING C TWO ZONING THAT WOULD PERMIT ANOTHER BUSINESS. UM, THERE IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL GAIN AND ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SEEMS TO SUPPORT THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS. UM, AND A TIME WHEN COMMUNITIES ARE REALLY STRUGGLING AND WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S WORKING IN A COMMU IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WE'RE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE IN INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF IT BEING DONE WELL, UM, ON A MORE PERIPHERAL AREA OF A COMMUNITY. UM, AND UH, IN THAT THIS CASE I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT, NOT SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT SUPPORTING THE BUSINESS. . ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH COMMISSIONER WATSON FOR ALSO SENDING THAT HOME, UM, BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION. UH, COMMISSIONER TO MY RIGHT. FURTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT, UH, IT IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE OF ITEM NUMBER 11 WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO. ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? NO. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? NO. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? NO. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR ANTE. NO MOTION FAILS. ALRIGHT, TO GO BACK OVER WHAT OUR PROCESSES ARE HERE, IF THERE IS [04:05:01] A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME, WE CAN ENTERTAIN AND ASSUMING IT PASSES, WE CAN ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. IF THERE IS NO MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION OR THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION FAILS BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE APPLICATION HAS COME, IT WILL RETURN TO THE NEXT MEETING. IS THERE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION? LEFT RIGHT. NONE. POINT OF CLARIFICATION? YES. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND TIME WE'RE HEARING THE CASE. THEY'VE ADDED AN ADDRESS SO I'D LIKE STAFF TO CLARIFY THAT. IS THIS REALLY THE FIRST TIME WE'RE HEARING THE CASE OR THIS SECOND TIME? THIS TECHNICALLY WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME HEARING THESE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER, BUT WE HEARD PART OF THE PROPERTY THE LAST TIME. SO THEY'VE ADDED A PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW. WE RESTARTED TECHNIC ACCOUNT ME. RIGHT. WE RESTARTED IT, RE NOTIFIED IT BASED ON THE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER SO THE NOTIFICATION INCREASED. SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS THIS IS BEING HEARD. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, A MOTION TO RECONSIDER WOULD COME FROM ANYBODY WHO UH, SAID NO TO THE MOTION, RIGHT? THAT IS TRUE. OKAY. YOU'RE LIMITED. THANKS. UM, ALRIGHT. HEARING NO MOTION. WE WILL SEE Y'ALL AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS. THERE THERE WAS NOT GONNA BE ANOTHER MOTION. THERE IS NOT ANOTHER MOTION. THE CASE WILL RETURN IN TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, IF WE CAN MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER 13. THANK YOU. OKAY, JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION HERE. ALRIGHT, SO THE MOTION FOR DENIAL FAILED BECAUSE IT WAS FOUR YESES, SIX NOSS IN ORDER FOR A NEW MOTION TO BE CONSIDERED, WHETHER THAT BE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR A MOTION TO RE UH, TO CONTINUE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER WHICH HAS TO COME FROM ANYBODY WHO SAID NO ONE OF THOSE SIX. AND THEN IF THAT MOTION UH, PASSES, THEN A NEW MOTION CAN BE MADE. ALRIGHT, I HAVE NOT HEARD A MOTION IN THIS THAT CASE. IT'S BASICALLY AN AUTOMATIC CONTINUANCE. WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. [13. ZONING CASE Z202110700261 (Council District 5)] IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 13 PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS REBECCA RODRIGUEZ, PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO C THREE WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 7 1 9 BRIGHTON AND 7 1 4 KEATS. THERE ARE 36 NOTICES MAILED ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION. AND THEN THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGISTERED. THE EXISTING R SIX IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C THREE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE SUBJECT SITE. THE PROPERTY SURROUNDED BY RESIDENCES AND ONLY ONE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FOUND IN PROXIMITY WHILE THE PROPERTY IS NEAR INTERSTATE 35 C THREE USES ARE GENERALLY FOUND IN COMMERCIAL CENTERS AND MAJOR ARTERIAL STREETS DUE TO THE INTENSIVE USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE C THREE BAY ZONING. DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL. APPLICANT INDICATED THEY WILL BE AMENDING THEIR REQUEST TO C ONE CD LIKE COMMERCIAL WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, IF THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD, PLEASE INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. UH, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT PLEASE. WHY YOU'RE SEEKING A ZONING CHANGE AND STAFF. I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE ANOTHER UH, SITE PLAN AT THIS TIME. IF WE COULD PRESENT THAT. HELLO, MY NAME IS ROBERT VIAN AND I'M FROM 1 2 4 6 AVANT SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. UM, WHAT I'M REQUESTING HERE IS, UH, MORE PARKING FOR THE UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE UM, A LOT OF PARKING THAT'S ON THE STREETS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE HAZARDOUS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF ROOM. ALRIGHT. AND SOMETIMES WHEN THEY HAVE GOOD CAR SALES GOING ON, THE, THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO ALMOST TWO BLOCKS BECAUSE THERE IS NO PARKING ON SITE OTHER THAN FOR THE CELLS. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE TWO EXISTING C THREE UH, LOTS, WHICH IS INDICATED IN YELLOW AREA. SO ON THE OTHER AREAS WHICH IS R SIX, I HAD, UH, REQUEST R C THREE BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS UP FRONT, BUT FINDING OUT THAT UH, C THREE WOULD PROBABLY NOT FIT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. I BROUGHT IT DOWN TO C ONE TO RESTRICT IT FOR PARKING ONLY. BY THAT BEING SAID, IF WE DO HAVE THIS PROCESS ACCEPTED, WE WILL DO [04:10:01] A 15 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE C ONE. ALSO CREATE A, UH, PRIVACY FENCE ALL ALONG THE AREA AS WELL. UM, SO I HAD LAID OUT THE PARKING AREA SO THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE BASICALLY WHERE THE PARKINGS WOULD BE. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN HOPING THAT THIS WOULD PASS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. BOEN. IS, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YOU CAN WAIVE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ON IT. NO, IT WAS JUST, UH, ROBERT BOEN. HE'S THE APPLICANT. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT. UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE, SO THIS IS TO ME, UM, THERE, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION OF STAFF. THIS WENT BEFORE PLANNING PREVIOUSLY? YES SIR, IT DID. AND AT THAT POINT, UH, MR. VIAN AMENDED HIS PLANNING REQUEST DOWN TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL? CORRECT. OKAY. UH, MR. VN, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'D BE WILLING TO, UH, AMEND YOUR REQUEST RIGHT NOW DOWN FROM C THREE TO C ONE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE, CORRECT? CORRECT. FOR PARKING. OKAY. UH, AND YOU'RE DOING THAT NOW? YES. OKAY, PERFECT. UM, WELL SIR, UM, YES, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ONE THING. IT IS FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES STILL. OKAY. EVEN THOUGH HE'S JUST USING IT FOR PARKING BECAUSE IT WILL BE USED IN CONNECTION WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT SURROUND IT. SO, OKAY. SO LET ME THEN ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH CHRISTY. I APOLOGIZE IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. YES. UM, SO MR. VON, YOU ARE AMENDING FROM C THREE DOWN TO C ONE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IN THE ZONING REQUEST, CORRECT? CORRECT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, THE 15 FOOT BUFFER STAFF. THAT 15 FOOT BUFFER IS A B TYPE BUFFER REQUIRED BETWEEN COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL? YES SIR. OKAY, SO THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A CONDITION. NO SIR. ALRIGHT. UH, YOU MENTIONED A PRIVACY FENCE. THAT KIND OF SCREENING CAN BE A CONDITION STAFF. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND UH, MR. VON, YOU AND I DISCUSSED EARLIER HOURS OF OPERATION. WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS? WELL, IT'D BE APPROXIMATELY 10 TO SIX. OKAY. UM, IF YOU SAY THIS AND I SAY IT'S A CONDITION, IT ENDS UP BEING PART OF THE ZONING, YOU CAN ONLY BE OPEN FROM THAT TIME ON. I THINK EARLIER TODAY YOU SAID NINE TO FOUR. YES. SO I'M JUST, HOW ABOUT NINE TO SIX? WOULD THOSE HOURS WORK FOR YOU? YES. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? YES. ALRIGHT. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM ME. QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. DR. ROMEO? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S SHOWING TWO RESIDENCES HERE AT, UM, 7 16, 7 18, 7 14. ARE THOSE JUST, ARE THOSE STRUCTURES THAT ARE PART OF THE BUSINESS? UH, THOSE TWO LOTS. WELL SEE THAT THERE. WHAT WE'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW IS PART IS ONE OF THE LOTS, UM, THAT'S BEEN REALLY BEEN DOWNGRADED TO UNINHABITABLE. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY BAD, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN. OKAY. AND THAT'S TRUE FOR BOTH. ARE THERE TWO RESIDENCES BOTH IN THE SAME SHAPE? NO, THAT IS SITTING ON ONE LOT. UH, THE OTHER LOT IS VACANT. OKAY. WE'RE SHOWING A RESIDENCE ON OUR MAP YES. ON EACH LOT. RIGHT? WELL ACTUALLY IT'S ONE OWNER USED TO OWN BOTH LOTS, SO. OKAY. I GUESS THE MAP I'M LOOKING AT SHOWS TWO RESIDENCES. SO THERE'S ONE ON SEVEN 18 AND ONE ON SEVEN 14. BUT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ACTUALLY JUST ONE BUILDING AND NOT TWO. CORRECT. OKAY, THEN I GUESS OUR MAP IS WRONG. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU DR. ROMERO. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTIONS? YES. SO THE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, AGAIN, I'M ALSO TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS ON THE MAP. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT ON SHEETS OR ON BRIGHTON OR IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OFF OF THE ACCESS ROAD? BRIGHTON, WHICH IT IS NOW. SO THE ENTRANCE TO YOUR BUSINESS IS ON BRIGHTON? CORRECT. OKAY. WILL YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE OR AN EXIT ON KEATS? UH, NOT AT THIS TIME. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. OKAY. UM, IF I MUST, I WOULD. OKAY. AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR AGREEMENT TO PUT UP PRIVACY FENCING BETWEEN THE OTHER RESIDENCES BORDERING YOUR PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S TO INCLUDE THE BUFFER AS WELL. OKAY. UM, [04:15:01] AND I HEARD THE HOURS OPERATION, BUT IS THAT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK OR IS THAT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? WHAT IS THAT? SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER CLOSING ON SUNDAY? YES. OKAY. I I, I'M JUST ASKING, I'M THINKING OF THE RESIDENTS THAT DON'T GET A BREAK FROM YOUR BUSINESS. RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND. AND UH, THE REASON I SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, TO MAXIMIZE, YOU KNOW, BUT IF, UH, CLOSING ON SUNDAYS WOULD HELP, YES, WE WILL CLOSE ON SUNDAYS. WELL, THAT'S JUST THE DAY I PICKED. I WOULD JUST RIGHT. FIND A DAY, MAYBE GIVE YOUR RESIDENCE, UH, YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW. WELL, YES, I UNDERSTOOD. YES. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, THE TIME IS CURRENTLY 5 45 AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS LEAVING THE MEETING. UM, ALRIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT FIVE CASE. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, UM, THIS CASE HAS INDICATED SOME ISSUES BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT DOES HAVE FRONTAGE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL, I THINK ON THE BASIS THAT IT ENDS UP BEING SOMEWHAT OF AN ENCROACHMENT INTO, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD. MM-HMM. UH, THAT BEING SAID, THE, WHETHER IT GOES BACK WHERE IT GOES BACK NOW OR WE ADD IN THE CURRENT, IT'S STILL GONNA BE PART OF THAT SAME MAJOR BLOCK STILL WITH THE I 10 FRONTAGE. UH, AND SO FOR THAT REASON I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICATION AS AMENDED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, A PRIVACY FENCE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND HOURS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY. 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM CORRECT. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROMERO IS THE SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION. COMMERS TO MY LEFT COMMISSIONER TO MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED WITH CONDITIONS AS READ ON THE RECORD WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ROMERO. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER BOTTLES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR. AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. THE TIME IS CURRENTLY 5 47, UH, AS WE ARE ALL HUMAN, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. I APOLOGIZE, BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE. TIME IS 5 47. WE ARE IN RECESS. WE WILL RETURN IN APPROXIMATELY FIVE MINUTES. I WAS GONNA RUSH OUT. THAT WAS ALRIGHT. THE TIME IS CURRENTLY 5 54. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE. UM, HERE, TIME IS 5 54. THIS IS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 2ND AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION AND STAFF, I BELIEVE WE'RE MOVING ON WITH AGENDA [23. Zoning Case Z202110700278 (Council Districts 2 & 4)] ITEM NUMBER 23. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS, LORI AND TENNIS SENIOR PLANNER WITH PLANNING DEPARTMENT. UM, THIS PRESENTATION OR THESE PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY, UM, OUT OF CITY LIMITS AND THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING ANNEXED INTO CITY LIMITS. SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE ASSIGNING ZONING TO THEM. UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THIS MAP THERE'S THREE SUB AREAS OUTLINED IN RED, KIND OF ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY. AND THEN ON THE NEXT MAP YOU'LL SEE THE THIRD OR THE FOURTH SUB AREA. THAT'S MORE ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OR WOULD YOU SAY EAST, FAR EAST? THE FAR EAST SIDE. UM, SO WE HAD 77 NOTICES GO OUT IN TOTAL. WE GOT NONE IN FAVOR AND ONE IN OPPOSITION. AND THESE ARE THE THREE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE DESIGNATING ON THE SUB AREAS. SO WE HAVE FR FARM AND RANCH FOR AREA 1:00 AM I ONE, MIXED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOR AREAS ONE B AND ONE C. AND THEN, UM, R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY FOR AREA ONE D. UM, SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE AREA. UM, SUB AREA ONE A, IT'S AT OLD SOMERSET ROAD AND SOMERSET ROAD. UM, IT'S COMPRISED OF ABOUT 165 ACRES AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE CURRENTLY ALL OUT OF CITY LIMITS AND WE'RE PROPOSING FR FARM AND RANCH. AND THEN AREA ONE B IS ON POTI JORDAN 10 FREEWAY AND SOUTH ZAMORA KIND OF RIGHT THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION. UM, IT'S [04:20:01] ABOUT 234 ACRES AND IT AGAIN IS CURRENTLY OUT OF CITY LIMITS. WE'RE PROPOSING M I ONE MIXED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOR AREA ONE C. AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S ABOUT 24 ACRES LOCATED OFF OF APPLEWHITE ROAD. UM, SAME THING OUT OF CITY LIMITS PROPOSING M I ONE MIXED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AND THEN LASTLY AREA ONE D. IT'S ABOUT 19 ACRES, UM, BY GRAY TOWN AND FAIL ROAD, I BELIEVE IS HOW YOU SAY IT. UM, ALSO OUT OF CITY LIMITS. AND WE ARE PROPOSING OUR FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY FOR THIS PROPERTY. ALL THE PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AND PRETTY RURAL. UM, SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, WITH THE ANNEXATION. UM, AND THE HEARINGS FOR ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN CITY COUNCIL NEXT SLIDE. UM, AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DESIGNATIONS IN THE FOUR SUB AREAS. AND THESE ARE JUST SOME PICTURES OF THE AREAS. THIS IS AREA ONE A, UM, ONE B, IT'S RIGHT OFF OF THAT FREEWAY ONE C. YEP. AND THEN ONE D. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE ALL UNDEVELOPED AND THE ZONING DESIGNATIONS THAT WE'VE PICKED WE FEEL ARE MOST COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE OR WHAT WILL PROBABLY BE THERE. UM, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, ARE THERE ANY PEOPLE HERE TO ADDRESS THIS ZONING ISSUE? YES, SIR. CARLENE BEST. OKAY. BEST, BEST I CAN CERTAINLY MARVIN KRUEGER? YES. MR. KRUEGER, IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND GIVE US YOUR OPINION REGARDING MS. RENO. OKAY. I'M MARVIN KRUEGER. I RESIDE ON 43 17 NORTH GREAT TOWN ROAD, UH, ZIP 7 8 1 0 9. I AM IN THE AREA OF D ONE AND UM, THAT AREA HAS BEEN IN RURAL AREA FOR A GOOD MANY YEARS AND UH, I LIVE ON THAT PROPERTY NEXT TO THAT, UH, THE, UH, AREA. THEY WANNA, UH, ZONE TO R FOUR AT PRESENT TIME IT WAS O C L I LIVE IN O C L AREA AND, UM, I UM, WANT TO EXPRESS MY OPINION THAT THIS IS FARMLAND, UH, AGRICULTURAL LAND. THIS LAND WAS DEVELOPED AND, AND UM, WAS MY GREAT GRANDPA'S ORIGINALLY. UM, THE, UH, AREA THAT WANTS TO BE UM, ZONED WAS OWNED BY MR. MARTINEZ AT THIS TIME. HE BOUGHT THAT RECENTLY AND UM, I HELPED WALK WITH HIM AND HE EXPRESSED THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT IN AGRICULTURAL YET. UH, MY PROPERTY'S ALSO STILL IN AGRICULTURAL TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PROPERTY IS ALSO AGRICULTURE. AND THEN MY SON HAS THE OTHER PORTION ON NORTH GREAT TOWN ROAD, WHICH INTERSECTS WITH GREAT TOWN ROAD. AND ALSO HE, UH, EXPRESSED CONCERNS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT IN AGRICULTURAL FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS AROUND THE AREA AND, UM, WE ARE POINT TO THE WHERE OUR LIFE WILDLIFE IS BEING PUSHED OUT. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHAT WILDLIFE LOOKS LIKE ANYMORE. OKAY. SO I WOULD'VE PROPOSED THAT WE LEAVE AN O C L. OKAY. THAT'S BY RECOMMENDATION AND I DISAPPROVE OF THE R FOUR, UH, ANNEXATION OR, OR, UH, ZONING PROPERTY OF THE PROPERTY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. KRUEGER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MM-HMM. RUSSELL BOLT. I DO NOT SEE MR. BOLT AND CHERYL KRUGER. MS. KRUEGER. HI, I AM CHERYL KRUEGER. I RESIDE AT 5 0 7 ENCHANTED OAK DRIVE. WE'RE THE OWNERS OF 36 95, WHICH IS ON THERE. WE WERE DESIGNATED AS AN R FOUR DUE TO OUR FAULT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FILE THE PAPERWORK TO MAINTAIN OUR AGRICULTURAL, UM, EXEMPTION. UH, IN TIME. THIS FAMILY, IT'S PART OF A 72 ACRE PLOT THAT HAS BEEN IN THE KRUGER FAMILY. AS MY FATHER-IN-LAW STATED FOR WELL OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. UM, IT IS INDUSTRIAL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS HOUSE. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO PROTEST THAT. SO ACTUALLY MAKING THIS RESIDENTIAL WILL IMPEDE ON THE FARM LAND THAT WE CURRENTLY, UH, LEASE OUT TO GROW HAY. AND SO WE FEEL AT THIS TIME IT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR FAMILY AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO TURN IT INTO RESIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING IN, IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. KRUEGER. UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO AND A DISTRICT FOUR [04:25:01] CASE. UM, SORRY, IS THERE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER KAMATH, WE'LL START WITH YOU QUESTIONS. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. UH, LORRAINE. THANKS. YEAH. THE, UH, THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, THE COUPLE OF CITIZENS, UH, TALKED ABOUT NOW, THE KRUGER FAMILY, UH, HOW WILL YOU BE HANDLING, UH, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY? I MIGHT NEED TO LEAN INTO ZEKE FOR THIS ONE, BUT I BELIEVE OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD REMAIN UNAFFECTED. WE WOULD STILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR R FOUR THERE AT THAT LOCATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY STAFF. UH, IF, CAN WE APPROVE THE ZONING REQUEST, BUT, UH, ALL AT THE SAME TIME, CAN WE CARVE OUT THE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE REFERENCED BY THE KRUGER FAMILY TO REMAIN THE, REMAIN THEIR CURRENT AGRICULTURE STATUS? CAN I, CAN I APPROACH IF I MAY? UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, AND I, AND I MEANT TO BRING THIS UP AT THE VERY BEGINNING, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN, UM, THIS ZONING CASE HAD NON ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY THAT HAVE SINCE BEEN VIOLATED. AND SO BECAUSE THOSE AGREEMENTS WERE VIOLATED, IT WAS ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WOULD THEN BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND ASSIGNED A ZONING. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT CLARIFIES COMPLETELY YOUR QUESTION, BUT YEAH. WELL, WHAT WAS THEIR VIOLATION? I THINK, I THINK IT'S SPECIFIC TO EACH PROPERTY. UM, CLINT OR ZEKE PROBABLY COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MYSELF. CLINT ELIASON, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING COORDINATOR, UM, REGIONAL PLANNING WE'RE THE ONES DOING THE ANNEXATIONS, UH, AS WELL. EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. THESE PROPERTIES ON THESE TWO PROPERTIES IN PARTICULAR, UH, WERE REQUIRED TO, UH, SECURE A MAR AN AGRICULTURAL MARKET VALUATION FROM BEXAR COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT. THEY DID NOT DO THAT. SO THEY THEREFORE DO NOT HAVE THAT ANYMORE, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE, UM, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO THEN THAT'S WHY THE CITY ISN'T ANNEXING THEM. THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO FARM WHATEVER THEY WANT THERE. UH, I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE THE ZONING IS GOING ON FOR, IT'S JUST MATCHING THE, THE SURROUNDING ZONING THAT THAT IS THERE RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, THEY, THEY CAN REAPPLY TO GET THEIR AGRICULTURAL MARKET VALUATION FROM B C A. THEY CAN GET THAT BACK. THEY CAN STILL DO FARMING THERE. UH, IT'S JUST MATCHING, LIKE I SAID, THE SURROUNDING ZONING. UH, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO GET A AGRICULTURE EXEMPTION OR FOR THE TAX, UH, PURPOSES? PROPERTY TAXES, CAMERAS, YES. YEAH, THEY CAN DO THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE, THE AGRICULTURAL MARKET VALUATION IS, IS BASICALLY FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT FOR TAX PURPOSES. UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL STIPULATIONS ON THEM RECEIVING A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT VALUED AS EITHER AGRICULTURAL TIMBER OR, UH, THERE'S A THIRD ONE. UH, . YES, SORRY. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. KRUGER. UM, OKAY. COMMISSIONER KAMATH. YEAH, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AND I'M PASS IT TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS. UH, COMMISSIONER WATSON AS YOU ARE THE OTHER COMMISSIONER, UH, IMPLICATED BY THIS ITEM. UH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT, I THINK, UM, AS WE HAVE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF LARGE AREA REZONING THAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE AND ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS BEING VIOLATED, I THINK IT JUST SPEAKS TO HOW, THIS IS A HARD ONE FOR ME 'CAUSE IT SPEAKS TO HOW DIFFICULT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND ACCESS CAN BE. UM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ON A PERIPHERY AREA AND YOU'RE NOT USED TO WORKING WITH THE CITY, BEING NAVIGATED AND GUIDED THROUGH WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO, UM, CONTINUE TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE FOR YOUR PROPERTY IS REALLY CHALLENGING. UM, THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, IT IS AN AREA THAT IS DEVELOPING, IT ISN'T GOING TO IMPEDE YOUR CURRENT LAND USE. UM, AND I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPLY FOR THAT AGRICULTURAL EXEMPTION IS SOMEONE WHO COMES FROM A FAMILY THAT DOES FARMING, UM, AND PRESERVE THAT USE FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. UM, BUT SINCE WE ARE DEALING WITH LAND USE, THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WATSON. EVERYONE GETS ONE FREE DISCUSSION [04:30:01] DURING QUESTIONS THEREAFTER. YOU'RE GONNA BE CUT OFF UNTIL DISCUSSION. UM, ALRIGHT. UH, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS TO MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER BARTOS OR DO YOU HAVE A MOUTHFUL? WE CAN GO TO SOMEONE ELSE. IT'S MORE OF A TECHNICAL QUESTION TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHETHER WE APPROVE THIS OR NOT. THIS, THIS STILL GOES TO CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. AND UH, ALSO WANNA REMIND Y'ALL THAT YOU'RE ONLY APPROVING OR DENYING THE ZONING. UH, THE ANNEXATION WAS ALREADY RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOTH OF THESE WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 2ND. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER REBUTS. UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL SINCE YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP. THANK YOU. UH, A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT A REZO REQUEST FOR THE RURAL LAND. UM, CAN THAT, CAN WE VOTE ON THESE, UH, SEPARATELY? GOOD EVENING. ZEKE SOLI PLANNING MANAGER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. YOU CAN, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY WE SPLIT THEM UP. KEEP IN MIND, WITHOUT THE ZONING, THEY WOULD THEN BE MOVED FORWARD AS DR. DEVELOPMENT RESERVE AND WOULD BE THEN DESIGNATED AS DR OTHERWISE, UH, AT THE ANNEXATION PERIOD, WHICH IS SET FOR DECEMBER. CAN YOU ALSO STAFF, CAN YOU ALSO TELL ME WHY YOU ONLY RECOMMEND R FOUR? WHY IS THERE NO R SIX OUT THERE WHEN WE'RE TALKING RURAL LAND AND WANTING TO DEVELOP OR KEEP SOME OF THOSE RURAL CHARACTERISTICS? WE WENT WITH THE ZONING THAT WAS AROUND THE AREA. UH, THIS IS CLOSER TO 1604 IN GRAY TOWN ALONG I 10 EAST. SO THERE'S SOME R FOUR IN THAT AREA. SO WE BASICALLY STAYED CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA ITSELF. THAT, BUT AGAIN, IS THERE NO REASON WHY YOU WOULDN'T THINK OF A MIX OF R SIX VERSUS JUST ALL R FOUR? WE COULD, UM, ULTIMATELY THE RECOMMENDATION WAS JUST SIMPLY R FOUR. WE MOVED TO FOUR BECAUSE OF THE, AS I MENTIONED, BECAUSE OF THE AREA ITSELF. UM, IT IS A LARGE TRACK. KEEP IN MIND, CAN YOU DEVELOP IT? IT'S HARD TO SAY WITH ALL THE FLOOD PLAIN THAT'S THERE, UM, CAN IT BE USED AS AGRICULTURE? ABSOLUTELY. THEY CAN CONTINUE TO USE IT AS SUCH. WELL, FLOODPLAIN IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE GIVEN THAT WE'VE HAD A SUBDIVISION BUILD UP FLOODPLAIN AND BUILD A SUBDIVISION ON IT. I DON'T SEE THAT AS NECESSARILY AN ARGUMENT ALL THE TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PLANNING, AND I'VE TALKED TO ZONING STAFF ABOUT THIS. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS OUR FOUR. WE HAVE RURAL LANDS OUT THERE AND WE SAY WE WANNA PROTECT THEM AND YET THE FIRST TIME WE COME THROUGH, WE JUST WANNA GO TO THE SMALLEST, ALMOST SMALLEST LOTS AVAILABLE. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION TO YOU GUYS. UM, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I DID HAVE, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I'M SORRY, NOT THE APPLICANT, THE HOMEOWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE ONE D MR. OR MS. KRUEGER. OH SIR, ARE YOU OKAY? THERE YOU GO. ARE YOU OKAY? YEAH, BUT I'M ALRIGHT. . HI THERE. AND, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN TODAY. UM, I JUST, AND I KNOW THE PROCESSES ARE CONFUSING. UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR REASON WHY YOU COULD NOT GET YOUR B A D UH, CERTIFICATION. WAS, DID YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH BCA OR DID YOU JUST NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS? UM, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION EITHER. OKAY. OKAY. , I, LET ME HELP OUT WITH THIS ONE. UH, THIS IS NOT THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT DOES NOT HAVE IT. I'M, THEY, HE HAS HIS, I HAVE, I HAVE THE, HE'S THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, PROPERTY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO THIS EXISTING PROPERTY THAT THEY WANNA MAKE IT R FOR. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU'RE NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER ITSELF? I'M, I'M IN, I'M IN UH, O O C O C S OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS. OKAY. BUT THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN 200 FEET OF MY PROPERTY THAT THEY WANNA CHANGE TO R FOR. OKAY. WHICH IS O CS O C L NOW. OKAY. WELL, UHHUH , BUT ARE YOU IN THE AREA THAT, BUT IT'S PART OF THAT HAS AN PROPERTY THAT ORIGINALLY WAS ONE PIECE OF LAND THAT WAS, UH, MY GRANDPA'S. OKAY. YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. UM, DO YOU HAVE YOUR, UM, CREDENTIALS THAT YOU NEED FROM B C A REGARDING YOUR RURAL AND AG USE? ALRIGHT, I, YEAH. LET'S PROTECT YOU. YES. OKAY. YES. YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, MS. KRUEGER, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO FOR YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IS YOUR FATHER-IN-LAW MR. KRUEGER? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND HIS LAND IS ADJACENT TO YOURS? CONTIGUOUS TO OR? YES. YES. OKAY. UM, NOW YOU UNDERSTAND FROM THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD HERE TODAY THAT YOU CAN IN FACT CONTINUE TO FARM THAT LAND [04:35:01] AND WE STILL DO AND WE STILL GET THE TAX EXEMPTION. IT IS. THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR OUR PROPERTY. AND YOU CAN STILL DO IT. YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE PART OF THE CITY NOW. YES. NOW, THE QUESTION THAT I KEEP COMING TO FOR ME IS R FOUR MIGHT BE A BIT OF A GIFT IN MY OPINION TO YOU. OKAY? SURE. SHOULD YOU END UP DEVELOPING THAT LATER ON? YOU KNOW, WHENEVER Y'ALL ARE DONE WITH FARMING, BECAUSE IT WILL BE, IN MY OPINION MM-HMM. , UM, IN A POSITION FOR DEVELOPMENT AND YOU WON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH OTHER HOOPS TO GET THAT LAND DEVELOPED. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP IT AT THAT STAGE. NOW, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? OH YEAH. NO, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. SO DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR PERSONAL OPINION GIVEN THAT IT'S YOUR LAND AND YOUR, AND I PRESUME YOUR HUSBAND'S LAND? WELL, SO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS NOT MY LAND. OKAY. MY LAND IS THE LAND BEHIND MY FATHER-IN-LAW'S. OKAY. SO IT'S THE BACK HALF, IT'S JUST THAT, IT'S ADJACENT TO OURS. AND OUR CONCERN IS, IS THAT WITH THE RAPID DEVELOPMENT MM-HMM. IN EAST BEAR COUNTY, UM, WE'RE HAVING INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES. IN FACT, THE CITY'S ALREADY LOOKING TO PUT WASTEWATER LINES THROUGH OUR PROPERTY. SO WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT SOMEBODY WOULD COME IN AND PUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY SO CLOSE TO OUR FARMED LAND. OKAY. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT DOES MAKE SENSE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAN I WAS EXPECTING TO HAVE, SO, OKAY. UH, I THINK THERE WE ARE. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. YES, WE'RE GOING BACK AROUND TO THE SECONDS. I NEVER GOT ASKED THE QUESTION. OH, I SKIPPED OVER YOU. I'M SO SORRY. COMMISSIONER O'NEAL TO GAIL. I'VE SKIPPED OVER TO GAIL 'CAUSE SHE WAS RAISING HER HAND THE ENTIRE TIME. SORRY. PARDON ME. COMMISSIONER O'NEAL TO YOU. UM, OKAY. HAVE FEW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, GIVEN THE NEW STATE RULES ON ANNEXATION WITH THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY OF, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAD A NON ANNEXATION AGREEMENT AND WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, NOTHING CHANGES AS FAR AS THE NEW, I GUESS NOT THAT NEW NOW IT'S A COUPLE YEARS OLD, THE STATE LAW. CORRECT. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET THEIR PERMISSION OR ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE, THAT PARTICULAR CATEGORY THEY WERE IN? YEAH. THAT, THAT DID NOT CHANGE. NO. NOW THE PERSON WHO OWNS THIS PIECE OF LAND IS NOT HERE AND NOT OPPOSING THE CHANGE, IS THAT RIGHT? RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT HERE. THEY WERE HERE. THEY ORIGINALLY WERE HERE, BUT THEY LEFT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEY WERE HERE BUT DO, SO ARE THEY OPPOSING IT HAD, HAD THEY TURNED IN A STATEMENT OR, UH, NO, THEY, UH, I MEAN I, I DIDN'T TALK TO 'EM AT ALL HERE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE HERE. THAT'S HE THEY SIGNED TO ROB. I I DON'T BELIEVE THEY, THEY WERE HERE TODAY. OKAY. SO WE DON'T THINK THEY'RE OPPOSING IT OR WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE OPPOSING IT. WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE. UM, BUT THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IF, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KEEP THEIR AG EXEMPTION CORRECT. AND NOW EVERYBODY'S SAYING, WELL IT'S JUST FINE BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN GO GET YOUR AG EXEMPTION, YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE IN THE CITY AND YOU'RE GONNA BE ZONED R FOUR. BUT IS B C A GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE AG EXEMPTION WHEN THEY'RE ZONED R FOUR? UH, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR THAT. UM, I MEAN THAT'S UP TO B C AD BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY WILL. I MEAN I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WHEN YOU HAVE AN AG EXEMPTION IS GETTING AN R FOUR. 'CAUSE LIKE WE'RE SAYING, THEN YOU CAN ALL TURN AROUND AND SELL IT TO A DEVELOPER. SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE HAVING, ALTHOUGH I DO BELIEVE, UH, IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN PROPERTIES THAT ARE INSIDE CITY LIMITS THAT HAVE BEEN ZONED NUMEROUS DIFFERENT YES. ZONINGS THAT, THAT HAVE STILL, UH, GOTTEN THEIR MARKET, THEIR AGRICULTURAL MARKET VALUATION. YES, YOU CAN HAVE AG EXEMPTIONS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. THERE ARE ACTUALLY QUITE A FEW, BUT, BUT FOR NOW THEY DON'T HAVE AN AG EXEMPTION RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE THEY'VE LET IT EXPIRE AND NOW THEY'RE GOING FOR THE FIRST, THEY'RE GOING BACK TO BCA FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH R FOUR. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SO SURE THAT BCA D'S GONNA SAY, SURE, FINE. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR AG EXEMPTION AGAIN, THAT WE DO NOT KNOW. OKAY. I JUST WANNA ESTABLISH THAT. UM, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ETTAL. UM, NOW SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONER'S TO MY LEFT. YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON. UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. OKAY. , UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO TO DIRECT THIS ONE TO. UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL OR COMMISSIONER ROMERO, BUT THEY HAD ASKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN VOTE ON DIFF DIFFERENT, THE THE DIFFERENT ZONING USES RECOMMENDED. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE FOR DOING THAT FOR ME? EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE ABOUT THAT. THERE IS ONE THING TO CONSIDER. IT STILL HAS TO BE IN THE RANGE SO THAT, THAT IS A CONSIDERATION. OTHERWISE IT HAS TO START OVER AND START [04:40:01] THE PROCESS OF REIFICATION. WHICH I NOW HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE RANGE HERE? UM, GIVEN THAT WE'RE STARTING FROM O C L AND GOING TO R FOUR. I MEAN THAT TO ME SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE BEST RANGE POSSIBLE. 'CAUSE THAT'S PRETTY FAR, THAT'S EASY IF YOU GO TO A LESS DENSE RIGHT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. OKAY. EXACTLY. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT'S EASY. 'CAUSE R SIX IS LESS DENSE THAN R FOUR. RIGHT. BUT FOR THE OTHERS, I'M GONNA LET ZEKE AND CLINT TALK TO THAT BECAUSE IT, AGAIN, WHEREVER, WHATEVER THOSE PROPERTIES ARE BEING REZONED TO AND WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING, THEN WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT THAT RANGE IS WITH THEM. OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU. AND PARDON ME? PROFESSION, UH, COMMISSIONER? NO, THAT WAS HELPFUL. NOT PROFESSOR WATSON. UH, COMMISSIONER WATSON. NO, THAT WAS HELPFUL AND I WAS GONNA BE GOING THERE MYSELF, SO MM-HMM. , I I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP OVER. UM, SO STILL TO YOU. I APOLOGIZE. UH, I THINK I'M OKAY. FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT. YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO, THIS TIME I WILL NOT SKIP OVER YOU. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, IF, IF THE MOTION HERE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS SIMPLY NOT TO ACCEPT R FOUR, THEN I THINK YOU SAID IT WOULD JUST DEFAULT TO A DR. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, DR IS BASICALLY AN R SIX. SO THE, THE OPTIONS THAT WE WOULD ALL HAVE FOR THIS WOULD BE TO ACCEPT THE R FOUR OR TO JUST DENY THE R FOUR PERIOD AND THEN IT DEFAULTS TO WHAT? IT DEFAULTS TO OR TO SUGGEST AN ALTERNATE ZONING. AS LONG AS IT'S LESS DENSE AND STILL RESIDENTIAL. LIKE IT COULDN'T BE FARM AND RANCH OR NO. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME SORT OF OTHER AG OR I MEAN GOOD WHAT OR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES I SHOULD SAY. BUT IT COULD BE RE OR R 20. YES. OH, WELL FIRST WHAT'S THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY? WELL, APPARENTLY THEY DECIDED IT'S RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? I MEAN PRESUMABLY, WELL THAT'S, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE IF IT'S A LAND USE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR RP OR RE THEN YOU COULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT. OKAY. OH, OH, THE, THE PLANNING. WHAT'S THE PLAN? THE LAND USE DESIGNATION? CORRECT. LAND USE DESIGNATION. ALL RIGHT. FORGIVE ME, IT MIGHT TAKE A COUPLE OF CYCLES RIGHT NOW AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP, SO, AND ZEKE, YOU MIGHT WANNA JUST CONFIRM THIS. SO YOU, THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION. SO IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL OF R FOUR, I GUESS Y'ALL CAN HELP CLARIFY. IS STAFFED STILL GOING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL AS R FOUR? IT WOULD JUST BE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL OF THE R FOUR. THAT'S CORRECT. ULTIMATELY IT'S SLATED FOR ANNEXATION AT THE END OF DECEMBER. SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD I R FOUR. AS DR. ROMERO MENTIONED. UH, ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OR SIMPLY MOVES FORWARD AS THE DR, WHICH IS R SIX. ULTIMATELY IT DOES NEED TO BE DESIGNATED WHAT IT'S MOVING FORWARD AS PROPOSED. WE'RE CONFIRMING LAND USE AT THIS MOMENT. SO THE PLAN IS CALLING FROM LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, THEN RE AND R 20 WOULD FIT IN THERE, RIGHT? NO. SHOULD 20 AGAIN, JUST LET ME CLARIFY. ZEKE, LEMME CLARIFY. SO Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED TO CITY COUNCIL AS AS RECOMMENDED FOR R FOUR, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AT THIS STAGE WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE R FOUR. UM, BUT AGAIN, SO THEN IF, IF IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, THEY'RE STILL GONNA PROCEED TO COUNCIL AS R FOUR. IF YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO PROCEED AS R FOUR. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR. CAN I JUST ASK ONE LAST QUESTION THEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I, 'CAUSE I JUST WANNA KNOW NOW WHY WOULD RE AND R 20 NOT BE ACCEPTABLE ZONING CATEGORIES? IF THE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL? THEY'RE JUST NOT PART OF THE BUCKET. NO, THEY ARE. I MISSPOKE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, MERKO HAS JUST PULLED UP THE PLAN. IT'S, I BELIEVE I 10 EAST, IT'S THE I 10 EAST PLAN AND THE, THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORY DOES ALLOW R FOUR R FIVE SIX, YOUR R 20 AND YOUR RE. OKAY. AND THAT'S FOR THIS PLAN. THAT'S WHY THERE'S SOME OTHER PLANS THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROMERO. I THINK THAT ACTUALLY GOT ME SOME CLARITY. [04:45:01] I THINK HOPEFULLY SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS WELL. ALRIGHT. UM, STAFF. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THOUGH QUICKLY. UH, WHAT ARE THE AREAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? ALL FOUR OF THEM. IS IT JUST ONE A, B, C, D? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UH, ONE IS THE R IS THE FARM AND W RANCH. UH, B AND C IS YOUR M I ONES AROUND THE TOYOTA AREA AND THEN D IS FAR EAST SIDE. OKAY, VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE IS THERE, UH, I GUESS COMMISSIONER KAMATH A MOTION FROM YOU? UH, I'M SOMEWHAT CONFUSED, BUT I THINK, UH, I'LL GET THROUGH THIS. UH, WELL FIRST I COULD ASK, DO YOU WANNA JUST SPLIT 'EM UP INDIVIDUALLY AND GO THROUGH EACH ONE? WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. WE CAN DO, WE CAN, I CAN ASK FOR NOW. I'M OPENING THE FLOOR FOR A MOTION REGARDING ONE A OF ITEM 23. MARCO, CAN YOU GO TO ONE A ON THE MAP? LET, CAN I DISCUSS ONE MORE THING? OF COURSE. YEAH, BECAUSE SEE THIS IS, THIS IS A MORE COMPLICATED ONE, SO WE'RE NOT YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE, UH, WHETHER WE SPLIT IT UP OR NOT, IS IT, DOES IT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE? SO MY VIEW ON THAT WOULD BE, IT CAN, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE I THINK THE PRIMARY CONCERN THAT'S BEEN RAISED IS THE SPECIFIC ZONING FOR THE ONE D PROPERTY THAT KRUGER PROPERTY OVER THERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS. THE CLEANEST TO MY MIND WOULD BE TO CONSIDER EACH INDIVIDUALLY MM-HMM. . UM, AND THAT WAY SHOULD THERE BE A DISTINCT MOTION REGARDING ONE D OF ITEM 23, UH, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT SEPARATELY. UH, IF IT'S SOMETHING OTHER THAN APPROVAL OR, UH, CAN I PASS THE, THIS WORK OF MOTION TO YOU AS THE CHAIR? UH, MAYBE NOT TO ME. COMMISSIONER WATSON, DO YOU WANT DO IT OR, OKAY. IF NOT I CAN. HOW ABOUT THIS? I, I CAN MAKE A MOTION AS CHAIR. ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS WITH RESPECT TO ITEM 23. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ONE A OF ITEM 23. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. THERE'S A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARTOS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 23. ONE A WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARROS. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES. YES. CHAIR BUSTAMANTE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 23. ONE B. SECOND. IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROMERO. UH, DISCUSSION. ROLL CALL VOTE. MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF 23 1 B. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIT? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES. YES. CHAIR TANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 23 1 C. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. UM, DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE. THE ITEM, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 23 1 C. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER BARTS? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPS? YES. CHAIR BUSTAMANTE AYE. MOTION PASSES FOR ITEM 23 1 D I MOVE FOR DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF R 22ND MOTION. UH, THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF R 20 BY ME WITH AN, UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARTOS DISCUSSION. THERE CAN BE DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE IF YOU THINK THAT'S TOO MUCH. THAT'S GREAT. UH, SEEING NO DISCUSSION. THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF R 20. [04:50:01] WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARTOS, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMIT? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. CHAIR SAMANTHA. AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THANK YOU MR. KRUEGER. THANK YOU MRS. KRUEGER. I DON'T WANNA CALL YOU MR. AND MRS. KRUEGER. UH, UH, SEPARATELY. SEPARATELY. MR. AND MR. KRUEGER AND MRS. KRUEGER . THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION. WE DO HAVE MINUTES. [24. Consideration and Approval of the October 19, 2021 Zoning Commission Minutes] ARE THERE ANY AMENDMENTS, CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES. SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO ACCEPT? ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT. MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES BY ACCLIMATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. I ABSTAIN. OH, AND THOSE WHO ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER ROME A ABSTAIN. AND COMMISSIONER MCD. UH, MCDANIEL. ALRIGHT, THERE IS ONE OTHER [Additional Item] ITEM THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS. UH, IT IS A DIRECTOR'S REPORT. KATT, WOULD YOU LIKE OR IS IT A DIRECTOR'S REPORT OR JUST A STATEMENT? OH, KATT. I I HAVE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. OKAY. UH, IS THERE A CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE REGARDING PUBLIC COMMENT AS BETWEEN VOICEMAIL AND PRESENT? PEOPLE WHO ARE PRESENT IN THE HEARING ROOM? WE HAD GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK FROM, UH, THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE, UH, DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ALLOCATION OR THE TIME LIMITATION FOR VOICEMAILS VERSUS, UH, IN PERSON VOICEMAILS LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES, BUT IF YOU COME IN PERSON, YOU GET AN EXTRA MINUTE FOR THREE MINUTES. AND SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, WITH THAT COMMENT, WE DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND ALIGN THE TWO TO GIVE VOICEMAILS A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES. SO THAT WAY IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO, UH, ELECT TO GIVE THEIR COMMENTS, THEY COULD DO SO AND GIVE THE, GET THE FULL THREE MINUTES FOR VOICEMAIL. THAT WAY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE OFF WORK TO COME HERE. AND, AND SO THIS DOES ALLOW US TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT TO BE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE SERVE. YES. YES. AND WE'RE GONNA START THAT WITH THE NEXT MEETING. SO WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SEND OUT NOTICES. AND SO WE'RE SENDING OUT NOTICES THIS WEEK. SO THE NEXT MEETING, NOVEMBER 16TH, WOULD ALLOW FOR THE THREE MINUTES. SO LET ME ASK YOU, SO A PERSON COULD GET SIX MINUTES, THREE BY VOICE AND THREE BY SHOWING UP. THAT'S STILL, NO, NOT THREE BY VOICEMAIL AND THREE BY SHOWING UP. WE WOULD PLAY ONE OR THE OTHER. SO IF THEY'RE HERE IN PERSON, THEN WE WOULDN'T PLAY THE VOICEMAIL. AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE WE STARTED. YOU CAN USE SOMEONE ELSE'S NAME. YOU COULD, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IN THE BEST VOICE RECOGNITION POLICY. CHRISTIE. SOUNDS LIKE ME. SO, YES. YEAH, YOU COULD. I HAVE A, WHAT HAPPENS ON THOSE AGENDAS WHERE WE HAVE 500 PEOPLE COMING AND WE'VE IN THE PAST GONE TO TWO MINUTES? AGAIN, THE CHAIR CAN DETERMINE IF HE WANTS TO DECREASE THAT TIME THEN IF HE WANTED TO DECREASE THE TIME, WE WOULD DECREASE THE TIME ON THE VOICEMAIL. THEY WOULDN'T KNOW. THEY WOULDN'T KNOW. THAT IS A CONCERN. WE JUST STOP IT AFTER TWO MINUTES. THREE MINUTES IS A LONG TIME TO TALK INTO A PHONE THOUGH, TO A RECORDING. I WILL SAY THAT. UM, THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE YOUR, UM, THE CHAIRMAN'S. UM, LIKE CATHERINE SAYS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. UH, BECAUSE YOU COULD PUT UP TO THREE MINUTES. IT, IT, IT IS IN FACT ALWAYS THE PREROGATIVE AND, AND PERHAPS COMMISSIONER BARDOS IS CORRECT. THAT YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES IS A GOOD WAY TO SORT OF DISCLAIM THAT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN DO IT. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AS A GENERAL RULE, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO GET GREATER ACCESSIBILITY TO OUR PUBLIC. UH, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO, YOU KNOW, CAN'T SIT AROUND FOR FIVE AND A HALF HOURS TO SIT DURING THESE MEETINGS. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO IT. WE'LL RETAIN SOME CONTROL AS THE CHAIR, BUT OUR DEFAULT WILL BE THREE MINUTES PRESENT OR VOICEMAIL. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE THE TIME IS SIX 30. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.