Nov 08, 2021 Planning and Community Development Committee

APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UH, WHICH I, I SKIPPED OVER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR OCTOBER THE 28TH FOR P C D C.

OKAY, THEN WE WILL START WITH THAT.

BUT WE HAVE THE

[1. Approval of the minutes for the October 28, 2021 Planning and Community Development Council Committee Meeting ]

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

THERE'S A MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

THERE'S, UH, BEEN A MOTION A SECOND.

LET'S TAKE A, A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? ARE YOU ABSTAINING COUNSEL? YES.

COUNCILMAN BRAVO IS ABSTAINING.

[6. Briefing and possible action on the Status of Poverty in San Antonio Report. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Melody Woosley, Director, Human Services] ]

WILL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE STATUS OF POVERTY REPORT.

AND, AND THIS AGAIN, IS JUST A BRIEFING ITEM.

THREE OR FOUR MONTHS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC REALLY STARTED.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, PATRICK STACK, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN THE CITY'S DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES.

UH, SO THIS IS A BRIEFING ITEM ON THE STATUS OF POVERTY REPORT.

UM, WE'LL BRING UP THE, THE SLIDES HERE, BUT, UH, I WANT TO GIVE A, A BACKGROUND ON THE 2019 POVERTY REPORT.

SO THIS CAME OUT IN, IN 2019, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, JUST BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

UH, WE'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT PLAN, A MAJORITY OF WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN THE COVID RECOVERY AND RESILIENCY PLAN.

UH, AND THEN I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DATA THAT WE DO HAVE OUT FROM THE CENSUS BUREAU THAT COULD UPDATE THIS PLAN GOING FORWARD.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME NEW DATA, UH, BUT I'LL TALK THROUGH, TALK THROUGH WHAT WE DO AND DON'T HAVE, UH, AND THEN SOME NEXT STEPS, UH, FOR THIS REPORT.

SO, UH, SO JUST FOR BACKGROUND, UH, THE POVERTY REPORT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO THE COUNCIL IN DECEMBER OF 2019, UH, JUST

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WE BEGAN TAKING THIS TO COUNCIL COMMITTEES ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BRIEFING THE COUNCIL COMMITTEES IN EARLY 2020, UH, JUST BEFORE THE PANDEMIC STARTED THE REPORT.

AND HERE'S THE COVER ON THIS SLIDE.

UH, INCLUDES AN ANALYSIS OF, OF POVERTY REPORT, POVERTY DATA FROM THE CENSUS BUREAU AND OTHER SOURCES, CITY INVESTMENTS AT THE TIME THAT WERE, UH, GOING TOWARDS ALLEVIATING POVERTY IN SAN ANTONIO THAT WERE ALIGNED WITH SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS LIKE, UH, EMPLOYMENT AND WAGES, EDUCATION, HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS, UH, FOOD INSECURITY.

SO THE REPORT LOOKED AT ALL THOSE DOMAINS THAT ARE CORRELATED WITH POVERTY, UH, IN ANY COMMUNITY.

UH, SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS REPORT WERE ALIGNED WITH A 2019 REPORT, ALSO CAME OUT JUST ABOUT THE SAME TIME FROM THE ASSET FUNDERS NETWORK.

AND SO THOSE REPORT, THAT REPORT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS WERE INCORPORATED INTO OUR REPORT.

UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE DIVIDED THE RECOMMENDATIONS ACROSS SEVEN DIFFERENT COUNCIL COMMITTEES AT THE TIME, AND IT JUST STARTED DIGGING INTO THAT.

AND WE'RE GOING TO, UH, LAUNCH A PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS RIGHT WHEN THE PANDEMIC STARTED.

SO, UH, THINKING BACK TO THAT TIME, UH, A NUMBER OF THINGS WERE, UH, PUT ON THE BACK BURNER, BUT THIS ONE ACTUALLY, UH, WAS, AS I MENTIONED, INCORPORATED INTO THE RECOVERY AND RESILIENCY PLAN.

SO WE'LL WALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS LATER AND, AND TALK ABOUT THE PROGRESS THAT WE DID MAKE, UH, THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

SO THIS CHART SHOWS YOU FROM THE 2019 REPORT.

UH, THE RED LINE IS THE POVERTY RATE IN SAN ANTONIO FROM 2013 THROUGH 2018.

SO THIS IS THE DATA THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME OF THE REPORT.

SAN ANTONIO'S POVERTY RATE CONSISTENTLY EXCEEDING THE POVERTY RATE OF TEXAS AND OF THE UNITED STATES.

THE BIG UPSHOT FROM THE 2019 REPORT WAS ABOUT 20% OF SAN ANTONIONS WERE LIVING IN POVERTY.

UM, OVER HALF OF THOSE WERE HEADED BY SINGLE WOMEN, HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS SUBSTANTIALLY.

UH, UH, DISPROPORTIONATE.

11% WERE SINGLE MEN HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS.

34% WERE TWO PARENT HOUSEHOLDS.

UH, AND THE OTHER BIG TAKEAWAY FROM THE REPORT, 27% OF CHILDREN LIVING, UH, UNDER 18 WERE LIVING IN POVERTY.

SO, CHILD POVERTY IN SAN ANTONIO, HIGHER THAN THE OVERALL POVERTY RATE, DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT YOU CAN SEE IN SAN ANTONIO ON WOMEN, UH, THAT IS CONSISTENT NATIONWIDE AND ACROSS THE STATE.

UH, BUT OF COURSE, OUR, OUR RATES CONSISTENTLY HIGHER THAN THE STATE AND THE COUNTRY.

UH, THIS IS A, A, A LITTLE HARD TO SEE.

BUT, UH, DISAGGREGATING BY RACE AND ETHNICITY, UH, PROPERTY IN SAN ANTONIO, DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTING HISPANICS, UH, AND, AND BLACK PEOPLE, UM, RELATIVE TO WHITE, NON-HISPANIC POPULATIONS.

SAN ANTONIO, AS I MENTIONED, THE, THE 2019 REPORT LOOKED AT SEVERAL SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HELL AT DIFFERENT DOMAINS THAT ARE CORRELATED WITH POVERTY.

UH, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS THE EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT SLIDE, UH, FROM THE POVERTY REPORT SHOWING BY GEOGRAPHY.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DARK RED RATES ARE, UH, PERCENT WITH HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF EDUCATION.

UM, AND THE, AS AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS CORRELATED WITH POVERTY.

AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT REALLY, UH, SPOKE TO THOSE OF THEIR SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH HIGH POVERTY RATES.

SO HERE'S SOME OF OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE POVERTY REPORT INCORPORATED IN THE RECOVERY AND RESILIENCY PLAN.

UH, WE EXPANDED FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT CENTERS TO, UH, INCLUDE BENEFITS NAVIGATORS.

THIS IS SOMETHING D H S HAS DONE.

UH, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE EMERGENCY HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND AN H S D TO RECEIVE REFERRALS FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA ASSISTANCE.

WE KNOW THEY'RE SEEKING HOUSING ASSISTANCE, BUT THERE'S OTHER PROGRAMS AND BENEFITS OUT THERE.

WE WANNA NAVIGATE AND ENROLL PEOPLE APPROPRIATELY.

REFERRAL SYSTEMS, UH, THE REFERRAL SYSTEM TECHNOLOGY IS CALLED SIGNIFY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ALOMA AREA COMMUNITY NETWORK HAS.

UH, WE'RE PART OF THAT TO HELP, UH, GET FOLKS AGAIN TO THE RIGHT SERVICES, THE RIGHT PROGRAMS, AND CROSS REFER INTERAGENCY.

WE'VE MADE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THAT AND ARE CONTINUING OUR WORK WITH THAT PROGRAM.

UH, WORKFORCE TRAINING, AS THIS COUNCIL KNOWS, UH, HAS BEEN A HUGE INVESTMENT AND WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE POVERTY REPORT PLAN.

LEGAL SERVICES OF THIS, THIS REPORT FORECASTED, OR, OR BEFORE THE PANDEMIC EVEN TALKED ABOUT EVICTION CASES AND THE NEED TO INTERVENE IN EVICTION COURTS PROCEEDINGS AND HD'S EVICTION TEAM'S DONE THAT THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.

UH, LOW COST FINANCIAL PRODUCTS AND SERVICES WAS A RECOMMENDATION, AND SOMETHING THAT WE INCLUDED, UH, TO DIRECT FOLKS TO, UH, LOW COST, UM, CONSUMER FRIENDLY BANKING PRODUCTS, THINGS THAT ARE LOW, UM, LOW FEES, UH, TO NO FEES, UH, DON'T NEED A HIGH BALANCE IN YOUR ACCOUNT TO, TO MAINTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT WE HAVE A CERTIFICATION AGENCY, CITIES FOR FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT, UH, THAT

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CERTIFIES CERTAIN FINANCIAL PRODUCTS.

WE MARKET THAT, AND OUR FINANCIAL COUNSELORS AND BENEFITS NAVIGATORS ARE ABLE TO USE THAT AS A TOOL TO ASSIST FOLKS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, UM, USING PREDATORY OR HIGH INTEREST RATE FINANCIAL PRODUCTS.

UH, AND FINALLY, INVESTMENTS AND PLANNING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UH, THE POVERTY REPORT TOUCHED ON THAT, AND THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WELL BRIEFED ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE SHIP AND OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOUSING ACTIVITIES.

UM, SO JUST TO WALK THROUGH IN, IN DETAIL, THESE ON THE LEFT SIDE ARE FROM THE 2019 POVERTY REPORT.

THESE ARE THE STRATEGIES OUTLINED.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE, UM, CLOSELY ALIGNING THIS WITH THE COVID RECOVERY AND RESILIENCY PLAN, UH, TO INCLUDE, TO PROMOTE EQUITY THROUGHOUT THAT PLAN.

UM, WE'RE EXPANDING INVESTMENTS FOR OUR FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT CENTERS THROUGH THAT, THAT FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT AND BENEFIT NAVIGATING PROGRAM AS PART OF THE FINANCIAL AND HOUSING RECOVERY CENTER LAUNCHED DURING THE PANDEMIC.

OUR REFERRAL SYSTEM TECHNOLOGY IS THAT ALAMO AREA COMMUNITY NETWORK.

UM, WE, WE'VE NURTURED PEER LEARNING AND, AND INNOVATION THROUGH OUR DELEGATE AGENCIES BY HOLDING QUARTERLY MEETINGS.

THESE WERE PUT ON HOLD DURING THE PANDEMIC, BUT WE WANT TO GET THESE STARTED AGAIN WITH OUR AGENCIES, UH, TO CROSS REFER WORK BETTER TOGETHER ACROSS SYSTEMS AND AND FOSTER INNOVATION IN OUR SOCIAL SERVICES PROGRAMS. UH, INVESTING IN WRAPAROUND FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR SINGLE MOTHERS, WHICH WAS CALLED OUT IN THE PLAN, WERE SINGLE MOTHERS, UH, ATTENDING JOB TRAINING.

SO TRAINING FOR JOBS SA PROVIDED THAT STIPEND.

AND WE KNOW THAT READY TO WORK WILL INCLUDE WRAPAROUND CASE MANAGEMENT SERVICES THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT TO COUPLE WITH OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT TRAINING.

UH, SIMPLY INVESTING IN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT TRAINING, UH, YOUR, YOU KNOW, TRAINING FOR JOBS SA AND, AND, UH, READY TO WORK PROGRAM THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS LEGAL SERVICES FOR DEBT CLAIMS AND EVICTIONS.

UH, THE N H S D COURTS TEAM HAS RESPONDED THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC, PANDEMIC TO EVICTION PROGRAMS, OR, EXCUSE ME, EVICTION CASES.

UM, FINANCIAL COACHING AND COUNSELING.

THE, THE BUDGET THIS YEAR WAS ADOPTED INCLUDED THAT ADDITIONAL BENEFITS NAVIGATORS TO, TO MAKE THAT A PERMANENT PART OF OUR FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT CENTER, AS WELL AS FINANCIAL COUNSELORS FOR SENIORS.

SO OLDER ADULTS WILL HAVE, UH, SPECIALIZED FINANCIAL COUNSELORS FOR THE SPECIFIC, UH, NEEDS OF THAT POPULATION TO AVOID SCAMS AND, UH, HELP THEM THROUGH SPECIFIC, UH, EXCUSE UNIQUE NEEDS OF THE OLDER ADULT POPULATION.

UM, AVAILABILITY OF LOW-COST FINANCIAL PRODUCTS.

THIS IS THE BANK ON PROGRAM I MENTIONED OF DIRECTING FOLKS TO THOSE LOW COST, UH, CONSUMER FRIENDLY PRODUCTS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE GOT A GRANT FROM THE CITIES FOR FINANCIAL EMPOWERMENT TO DO.

UH, WE HAVE THAT WEBSITE UP, AND OUR BENEFITS NAVIGATORS ARE REFERRING FOLKS TO THAT.

THE ALTERNATIVE TO TAX TIME LOANS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PILOTED DURING THE, THIS YEAR'S VITA SEASON, UH, UH, WITH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH RIVER CITY CREDIT UNION, TO GET FOLKS INTO A 0% INTEREST, UH, REFUND ANTICIPATION LOAN.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A SMALL THING, BUT IT CAN SAVE SOMEONE, UH, HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS IN INTEREST FEES, UH, TO GET THEIR REFUND CHECK JUST A FEW WEEKS EARLIER.

FROM THE I R S, UH, EQUITY BUDGETING PROCESS IS CONTINUING TO BE A FOCUS OF THE CITY.

AND WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH UNITED WAY ON OUR STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS IN SAFETY NET PROGRAMS. UM, THE 2019 REPORT OUTLINED OR RECOMMENDED WORKING WITH THE LEGISLATIVE CONTINGENT ON, UM, PUSHING BACK ON PREDATORY MARKETING PRACTICES, ALSO INCREASING FUNDING FOR THINGS LIKE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND TAX PREPARATION AND FINANCIAL COACHING.

THAT'S ONGOING.

AND WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING WITH G P A ON ANY FEDERAL AND STATE, UH, LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVES AROUND THAT AREA.

FOCUSING ON, ON LONG-TERM FUNDING, CONSUMER ENGAGEMENT, UM, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WORKED ON WITH UNITED WAY AS ONE OF THE FUNDERS, AS WELL AS OTHER FOUNDATIONS.

AND IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS SHIP IS TO, UM, FOCUS ON, ON THIS LONG-TERM FINANCIAL COUNSELING AND WRAPPING SERVICES IN WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE KNOW IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND LAST, INVESTING IN ORGANIZATIONAL AND STAFF CAPACITY.

THIS IS, UH, GOING TO CONTINUE BEING A CHALLENGE IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WORK WITH OUR AGENCIES ON.

THIS IS A QUICK CUT AT THE CURRENT YEARS, UH, BUDGET INVESTMENTS IN THOSE DOMAINS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE POVERTY REPORT.

SO THE 2019 REPORT INCLUDED INVESTMENTS AT THE TIME.

UH, THIS IS THE, UM, THE 2020 INVESTMENTS IN THINGS LIKE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND VIOLENCE PREVENTION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, HUMAN SERVICES PROGRAMS, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND EDUCATION THROUGH THINGS LIKE PRE-K AND HEAD START.

YOU CAN SEE TOO, OUR RECOVERY AND RESILIENCY PLAN INCLUDED A, A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT AS WELL TO STAVE OFF THOSE SAFETY NET NEEDS DURING THE PANDEMIC.

A LOT OF THAT IS THE $322 MILLION IS IN EAP, UH, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND SMALL BUSINESS FUNDING THROUGH IN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC.

UH, SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DATA THAT WE DO HAVE AND DON'T HAVE THAT WE CAN UPDATE THIS REPORT ON.

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SO THE, THE 2020 CENSUS, OF COURSE, WAS TAKEN LAST YEAR.

REDISTRICTING DATA HAS BEEN RELEASED.

SO, UH, FOR STATE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO REDRAW POLITICAL BOUNDARIES, THAT DATA IS AVAILABLE BY SMALL GEOGRAPHY, AND OF COURSE, UH, CITY AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

THE INCOME AND POVERTY DATA FROM THE 2020 CENSUS HAS BEEN RELEASED, NA, NATIONALLY, BUT NOT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE SAN ANTONIO 2020 CENSUS DATA YET.

UH, THE LATEST THAT WE DO HAVE FOR SAN ANTONIO POVERTY DATA IS, UH, THE 2019 AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.

NORMALLY WE WOULD HAVE 2020 DATA ON THAT, BUT, UH, DUE TO THE PANDEMIC, THE CENSUS HAS MODIFIED THEIR DATA COLLECTION AND REPORTING PROCESSES.

WE'RE HOPING FOR SOME EXPERIMENTAL DATA HERE LATER THIS MONTH, ACTUALLY, UH, TO UPDATE THE POVERTY REPORT ON, UH, THE LATEST AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY DATA.

UH, SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT IN NOVEMBER.

AND SINCE THIS DATA AT THE DETAILED LEVEL WILL COME OUT EARLY NEXT YEAR, WE'RE ANTICIPATING, AND THIS IS JUST FOR THIS COMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HUD LANGUAGE, WE TALK ABOUT AREA MEDIAN INCOME, AND SO TO CROSSWALK AREA, MEDIAN MEDIAN INCOME WITH THE POVERTY LEVEL.

UH, I WANTED TO SHOW THIS SLIDE OF WHAT THE POVERTY LEVEL IS, UH, ON AVERAGE FOR FAMILIES OF ONE THROUGH FIVE.

YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS THERE ON THE SCREEN.

FOR, FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, THE POVERTY LEVEL IN 2020 WAS $26,496.

WITH SOME VARIATION, DEPENDING ON, UH, AGE OF THE ADULTS IN THE HOUSEHOLD, OR THE, THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN VERSUS HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD.

UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT ALIGNS WITH ABOUT 30% OF THE AMER, UH, AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

AND THAT CHART'S THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

SO IF WE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 30% A M I, ROUGHLY, THAT'S THE POVERTY LEVEL, BUT THERE IS VARIATION BY HOUSEHOLD SIZE AND, UH, NUMBER OF CHILDREN, AS I MENTIONED.

SO FOR NEXT STEPS, AS I MENTIONED, WE, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT CENSUS DATA TO COME OUT EARLY NEXT YEAR.

WE CAN UPDATE THE POVERTY REPORT, UH, BASED ON THAT AND SHARE WITH THIS COUNCIL.

UM, WE DO, UH, WANNA SUGGEST, UH, TO THIS COMMITTEE RE-ENGAGING IN THAT PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS, SEEING WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE TO CONTINUE TO PUSH ON WHAT NEW NEEDS WE KNOW THERE'S NEEDS IN THIS COMMUNITY BASED ON WHO'S ACCESSING OUR SERVICES, OF COURSE.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PICK UP WITH THAT COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS THAT WE HAD ENVISIONED.

UM, BUT OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FROM THIS COMMITTEE AND, UM, BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU.

UH, I WASN'T SURE IF MEL WAS GIVING THE UPDATE, SO SORRY ABOUT MY HESITATION EARLIER.

UM, BUT GREAT JOB.

AND I KNOW THAT, THAT WE HAVE, UM, THERE'S, UH, STABILITY OR INCOME AND STABILITY REALLY, UM, AFFECTS THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION ON THAT AND FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, KEEP ENGAGING OUR, OUR STAKEHOLDERS, REALLY.

AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, THE, THE HOST, THE COMMUNITY INPUT SESSIONS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I CONTINUE TO ASK FOR MAYBE SATURDAY, UM, SATURDAY MORNING EVENTS, OR JUST SO PEOPLE COULD GET SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL INVOLVEMENT IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, THE BACKUP THAT YOU HAVE TALKS ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS REPORT GOING TO VARIOUS COMMITTEES.

AND I'M WONDERING, IS THERE A WRITEUP OR A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE GOT THROUGH, GONE THROUGH WHAT COMMITTEES, I KNOW SOME OF THEM HAVE, HAVE COME HERE, BUT THEN ALSO, HOW OFTEN WILL WE GET UPDATED IN GENERAL, SO THAT, YEAH, THAT BACKUP SLIDE YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS, UM, WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN 2019.

SO SOME OF THESE, UH, COMMITTEES DON'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE, BUT, UH, SO WE COULD REEVALUATE WHERE EACH, UH, RECOMMENDATION MAKES SENSE TO, TO CORRELATE WITH.

UH, WE, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE AND WORK WITH THE CHAIRS ON WHAT, WHERE THAT WOULD LOOK, WHERE THAT WOULD WORK AND TALK AS WELL ABOUT THE FREQUENCY OF THE UPDATES.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND THEN COUNCILMAN RIDGE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

I, I KNOW YOU REQUESTED FOR THIS ITEM TO BE PRESENTED FIRST.

GO RIGHT AHEAD.

I, I THINK IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, VALUABLE FOR US TO GET AN UPDATE ON, ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE LIVING IN THE CITY.

ONE THING THAT WE DON'T SHARE HERE, AND I KNOW WE USE THE FEDERAL A M I LEVEL, BUT HAVE YOU DETERMINED WHAT THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME IS FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR WHO SIMPLY LIVE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? YEAH, I MAY HAVE TO, TO ASK N H S D FOR HELP ON THIS ONE, BUT I, SO, UM, IS THIS, DO WE NORMALLY USE COUNTY OR CITY LEVEL A? THIS IS THE, SO THE M S A, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, LEVEL, THAT IS A, YEAH, I ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT AS BEING, UH, VERY VALUABLE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING AFFORDABILITY FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE SHIP PROGRAM IS GAME AT, IS HELPING TO DEVELOP PROPERTIES IN

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THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT AMIS, LIKE, WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M BUILDING NEW HOUSES FROM 80 TO 120%, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT A LARGER INCOME BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLACES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

AND SO I THINK IT'S VALUABLE FOR US TO MAKE IT RELATIVE TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY BY UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THOSE RESIDENTS ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME, AND WHAT'S 80% OF THOSE, AND WHAT'S 60% OF THOSE, AND WHAT'S 50, 40 AND 30% OF THOSE.

SO THAT WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMPARING WHAT WE WANT TO DO WHEN WE DEVELOP HOUSING FOR THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE CITY AND THAT WE WANT TO BE BUILDING FOR.

SO THAT'S WHY, UH, I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BY, BY HAVING US GO THROUGH THIS REPORT.

UH, BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND I APPRECIATE, UH, YOU TAKING IT UP.

ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S ALL.

DO ANY OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS? COUNCILMAN CASTILLO? GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

MORE COMMENTS THAN QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT I ECHO COUNCILMAN COURAGE IS ASKED THAT WE DO USE THE CITY A M I MOVING FORWARD, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING PRODUCTION, RENTAL PRODUCTION IN PARTICULAR.

UM, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE THAT AS WELL WHEN WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WHETHER THE POVERTY RATE IS INCREASING OR DECREASING.

UM, IS IT BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW FOLKS MOVING IN WITH A, A HIGHER SKILLSET? I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO FACTOR IN AS WELL.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

COUNCILMAN .

UH, I DO ECHO THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I'M, LOOK, I, I THINK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS ABOUT $11 AN HOUR, THANK YOU, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, WHICH IS ABOUT $24,000 A YEAR.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT, WHEN I LOOK AT, AT THIS, AND I, AND I, IN TERMS OF POVERTY AS I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT 55%, WHICH IS WOMEN, SINGLE WOMEN.

AND I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR TEAM IS THAT WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC, THAT OUR PARTICIPANTS AT THE MEETINGS ARE AT AT LEAST 55% OR HALF OF THAT IS WOMEN IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETINGS, UH, SHARING THEIR, UH, CONCERNS AND, AND THEIR WORRIES.

SO, UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE.

I THINK THERE'S A, A LONG ROAD OF WORK AHEAD OF IT, BUT I, I KNOW WHAT MY DISTRICT HAS AND, AND WHAT THEY NEED, AND IT'S, UM, IT'S EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN AND, AND I'LL BE WORKING FOR THAT CAUSE.

COUNCILMAN .

I, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, CITY MEDIAN INCOME GOING FORWARD.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS DEEPER AFFORDABILITY WHEN WE USE THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A MUCH, A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER, UH, INCOME LEVEL THAT I THINK THAT'S WORKING AGAINST THE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, I THINK THAT BY LOOKING AT A CITY MEDIAN INCOME, WE CAN, WE CAN REALLY, THAT'S A, ANOTHER TOOL WHERE WE CAN PUSH, UH, TOWARDS DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE, UH, POSSIBLE, IT'S, IT'S A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON RECOMMENDATIONS OF CHANGES TO THE CITY'S POLICY FOR ISSUANCE OF RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT AND RESOLUTIONS OF NO OBJECTION FOR APPLICANT SEEKING HOUSING TAX CREDITS FROM THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.

LORI WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING.

I JUST WANNA ADD ON THE A M I LEVELS, WHEN WE'RE DOING THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WE ARE USING THE HUD A M I, UM, CATEGORIES.

HOWEVER, OUR GOALS FOR HOUSING REFLECT THE CITY'S A M I CATEGORIES, BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL NONPROFIT PARTNERS IN HERE, AND SEVERAL OF OUR HOUSING PARTNERS, WE HAVE TO USE THE FEDERAL DEFINITIONS AND THOSE STANDARDS.

BUT OUR GOALS REFLECT WHAT THE SAN ANTONIO NEED IS.

AND SO WE ALL KNOW THAT 80% A M I DEFINED BY HUD IS MORE LIKE 60%.

SO OUR GOALS REFLECT MORE IN THE 60% A M I NEED, BUT WE DON'T, WE HAVE NOT REDEFINED WHAT THE A M I CATEGORIES ARE BASED ON SAN ANTONIO'S, UM, INCOME LEVELS.

BUT OUR GOALS REFLECT WHAT SAN ANTONIO NEEDS WITHIN THOSE AIS WISE.

THANK YOU, LORI, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A MAJORITY OF US VOICING, UH, SOME, SOME SUPPORT FOR, FOR CONSIDERATIONS, BUT THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

UM, WE, IF IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM

[2. Briefing and possible action related to recommended changes to the City’s policy for the issuance of Resolutions of Support and Resolutions of No Objection for applicants seeking Housing Tax Credits from the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services] ]

AND VERO IS HERE TO GIVE US THIS PRESENTATION.

VERONICA SOTO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

UM, SO IT FEELS LIKE WE'VE COME, UM, EVERY MONTH FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS SINCE YOU STARTED MEETING TO TALK ABOUT OUR HOUSING TAX CREDIT POLICY AND, UM, LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS, OR OUR HOUSING TAX CREDITS ARE, UM, ONE

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OF THE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN BUILD A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT JUST IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

SO THIS IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE THE EIGHTIES.

AND LOCALLY, IT'S THE STATE OF TEXAS THROUGH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS WHO ADMINISTERS THIS PROGRAM.

AND THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A SAY IN THE LOCATION OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.

BUT REALLY, T D H C A A IS WHO, UH, SETS THE, THE MAJOR SCORING AND EVENTUALLY THE AWARDS FOR THESE.

WE CAN HAVE BOTH REHAB AND NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGH HOUSING TAX CREDIT.

AND AS, UM, WE'VE MENTIONED THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF HOUSING TAX CREDITS, A VERY COMPETITIVE 9% ROUND AND A NON-COMPETITIVE 4%.

WE BASE OUR, UH, SCHEDULE ON THE COMPETITIVE 9% ROUND, WHICH HAS DATE CERTAIN, UM, TIMELINES, WHEREAS THE 4% IS ON A ROLLING BASIS.

SO THE TIMELINE YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU SHOWS BY WHEN WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR POLICY UPDATED.

NOW OUR POLICY GETS UPDATED EVERY TWO YEARS, AND SO IT, THIS IS THE, THE TIME TO UPDATE IT.

AND WE GO ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THE 9% WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR POLICY ADOPTED BEFORE THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, SO THAT FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, ANYONE APPLYING FOR NINE PERCENTS CAN MEET THE TIMELINE TO, UH, SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, GET A RESOLUTION, WHICH IS WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES THEM TO OBTAIN, AND, AND THEN HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION IN MARCH SO THAT AN AWARD FOR THE 9% PROGRAM CAN BE MADE IN JULY.

AND THEN THE 4%, AGAIN, UH, OUR WHOLE POLICY STARTS RIGHT AFTER THIS.

SO RIGHT AFTER THIS, SO ANYONE SUBMITTING ROLLING APPLICATIONS FOR THE 4%, UM, MEETS THE SAME CRITERIA TO GET HERE.

WE'VE HAD A LONG AND EXTENSIVE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS WITH MANY MEETINGS WITH PRACTITIONERS, NOT JUST A SURVEY, BUT ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE CLIENTS WHO USE THIS GAVE US FEEDBACK.

ALSO, WE HAD AN ESSAY SPEAKUP SURVEY FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT SHOWED US WHAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS ARE NECESSARY OR, UM, AMENITIES THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN THESE HOUSING TAX CREDITS.

AND OF COURSE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INPUT SESSIONS WITH ALL OF YOU IN ADDITION TO THE VARIOUS BRIEFINGS WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

SO IN JULY IS WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS.

WE BROUGHT IT THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS TO THIS COMMITTEE, AND NOW WE HAVE A RECOMMENDED POLICY THAT WE HOPE YOU ARE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN MOVE IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND ADOPT IT.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY.

ONE OF THE REQUESTS FROM LAST TIME WAS TO, UM, MAKE SURE WE SHOWED WHAT OVERLAP THERE IS WITH THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATIONS, UH, PLAN.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS SLIDE IS.

UM, YOU'VE HEARD US TALK A LOT ABOUT THE SHIP AND ABOUT HOW THIS IS OUR 10 YEAR PLAN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING TAX CREDITS ARE ONE WAY IN WHICH TO MEET THE GOALS WE HAVE OUTLINED IN THE SHIP.

IT SUPPORTS CONSTRUCTION AND REHAB OF AFFORDABLE UNITS.

IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, AND WE CAN GET A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGH THE FEDERAL HOUSING TAX CREDITS.

UM, THE PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH ALSO PRIORITIZES DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE MORE UNITS THAT ARE ABLE TO BE RENTED FOR FAMILIES THAT HAVE LOWER INCOMES, TYPICALLY FAMILIES WHO ARE MAKING AT 30% OF THE A M I AND TYPICALLY 9% PROJECTS DO HAVE, UH, UNITS AT 30% A M I.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME PROTECTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO DISPLACEMENT AND TENANT PROTECTIONS THAT'S MENTIONED IN THE SHIP.

AND THAT APPLIES TO LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS AS WELL.

WE DO NOT ALLOW FOR, UH, PERMANENT DISPLACEMENT.

UM, WHEN WE GIVE A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT, WE ENSURE THAT ANYONE WHO GETS A RESOLUTION IS ABLE TO ACCEPT HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS, AND WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WHO RECEIVE A RESOLUTION FOLLOW THE NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE AND THE NOTICE OF TENANT'S RIGHT ORDINANCE, THOSE ARE PROTECTIONS THAT WERE ENACTED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS FOR TENANTS.

WE ALSO, OF COURSE, FOCUS ON RESIDENT SERVICES AND MEANINGFUL SERVICES THROUGH THIS, THAT ALSO IS IN THE SHIP.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE USE SOME POINTS FOR LOCATION AND ACCESS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN AREAS THAT HAVE TRANSPORTATION ROUTES THAT SERVE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE FAMILIES THAT EVENTUALLY WILL LEAVE AT, AT THIS FACILITIES, BUT ALSO TO HAVE ACCESS WITH JOB JOB CENTERS.

SO THIS IS SOME OF THE OVERLAP THAT THE LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS HAVE WITH OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

REALLY, UH, QUICK FEEDBACK ON THE PRACTITIONER MEETINGS.

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AGAIN, WE HAD A SURVEY, BUT A SERIES OF FOUR SESSIONS WITH DEVELOPERS TO, UH, ENSURE WE HEARD FROM THEM HOW WE COULD MAKE THE PROCESS BETTER AND WHAT WE NEEDED TO IMPROVE UPON.

WE ALSO HAD, UM, AND HERE'S A SUMMARY OF THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED.

WE ALSO HAD THE ESSAY SPEAKUP SURVEY.

AND AGAIN, THIS WAS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO TELL US WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS, ALMOST A HUNDRED RESPONDENTS AND, UM, CLEAR PREFERENCE TO HAVE MORE UNITS WITH MIXED INCOMES OR, UM, DEEPER AFFORDABILITY FOR UNITS.

AND THEN WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING AS WELL WITH, UH, VIRTUAL AND IN-PERSON OPTION.

AND THIS IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE HEARD AT THAT PUBLIC MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

AND THEN OF COURSE, WE VISITED WITH ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE AWARE OF THE UPDATE TO THE POLICY AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK INTO THE DRAFT AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA SHARE.

SO THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF NOT JUST, UM, YOUR FEEDBACK AS THIS COUNCIL COMMITTEE, BUT THE REST OF YOUR PEERS, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE CAPTURED WHAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR, UM, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS THEY ADOPT THIS POLICY.

SO WE DO HAVE, UM, A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

AND, UM, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF THIS THAT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT A LITTLE BIT WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING BOND DEALS THAT ARE 9%.

AND THIS, UH, IMPACTS THE C R P COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION POINTS.

SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WE DO PRIORITIZE CITY INITIATED BOND PROJECTS BEFORE THE 9% ANNUAL ROUND OPENS.

IF THERE ARE PROJECTS AWARDED.

OBVIOUSLY THAT PROCESS HAS JUST STARTED.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROJECTS FOR 2022, BUT IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT GOES IN HERE.

UM, AND THAT'S HOW A DEVELOPMENT CAN GET ADDITIONAL POINTS.

UM, SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION, AND WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE IS WHAT OUR CURRENT POLICY IS, AND THAT'S THE 2020 POINTS.

SO TWO YEARS AGO, WE ADOPTED THE POLICY THAT HAD THESE CATEGORIES AND THIS SCORING.

AND OUR RECOMMENDATION, AFTER ALL THAT EXTENSIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM PRACTITIONERS, FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT.

WE ARE ADDING DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

SO WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION AS ITS OWN AREA, IT'S ITS OWN CATEGORY WITH 10 POINTS ALLOTTED FOR THAT.

AND WE TOOK A FEW POINTS FROM THE OWNER, GENERAL PARTNER MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE CATEGORY.

WE ALSO HAVE THE USE OF LOCAL BUSINESS AND CONTRACTORS AS ITS OWN CATEGORY SO THAT WE CAN TARGET, UH, OUR LOCAL FOLKS.

AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID TAKE SOME POINTS AWAY FROM THE PROJECT VISIBILITY AND READINESS, UM, FOR THIS.

SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE, UM, IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND THAT IS THE PRESENTATION, UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, RO.

UM, SO THANK YOU, BY THE WAY, FOR, FOR MEETING WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M, I NOTICED THAT SEVEN AND EIGHT D SEVEN AND D EIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, FEEDBACK FOR YET.

WILL YOU BE REACHING OUT TO COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL AND COUNCILMAN PELA STILL, OR, YES.

UM, WE DID.

AND, UM, I THINK WE HAD SCHEDULED IT AND FOR SOME REASON THEY CANCELED.

BUT YES, WE, WE WILL TRY AGAIN.

NO PROBLEM.

THERE'S NO FUNDING ASSOCIATED.

UM, THANK YOU ALSO FOR ADJUSTING, AND I KNOW THAT YOU MET WITH US AND, AND ADJUSTING THE SCORING, AND IT'S NOT, YOU THINK YOU HAVE BEEN HERE THREE TIMES IN A ROW, SO THIS IS YOUR FOURTH TIME.

SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF AN UPDATE, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU TOOK INTO ACCOUNT EVERYTHING THAT WE SAID, ADDING THE TRANSPORTATION LINE, ET CETERA.

UM, SO, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

AND I WANNA, IN PARTICULAR, THANK YOU BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED THAT D FOUR AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS LIKE D THREE, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE WERE NOT INCLUDED AS GEOGRAPHIC AREAS, AND SO THEY WOULD NOT SCORE AS HIGH.

SO THANK YOU FOR ADJUSTING THAT SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE LEFT OUT.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT WILL USE THIS TYPE OF TAX CREDIT WITHOUT COSA HELP AND THE ONES THAT WOULD LEVERAGE COSA ASSISTANCE? SURE.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS A POLICY BY WHICH TO, UM, GRANT A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT, OR NO OBJECTION.

THERE'S NO FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

SO THIS IS JUST ONE REQUIREMENT AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND IT ALLOWS AN APPLICANT TO PROCEED.

THEY STILL, UM, ANY DEVELOPER STILL TRIES TO MAXIMIZE THEIR POINTS AT THE STATE.

AND THE STATE USES A DIFFERENT SCORING SYSTEM THAN WE DO LOCALLY.

AND SO THERE'S NO FUNDING ASSOCIATED.

IT'S JUST A POLICY BY WHICH WE GRANT THOSE RESOLUTIONS.

AND SOMEONE WHO GETS AN AWARD LATER COULD COME BACK AND ASK FOR, UM, FINANCIAL, UM, SUPPORT TO HAVE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, OR IF THEY

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FIND THAT THEY STILL HAVE A GAP.

SO SOME OF THESE COULD COME AND ASK FOR HOME OR C D B G FUNDING IN THE FUTURE.

ONCE THEY SECURE THE STATE FUNDING, IT COULD BE THAT THEY WANNA HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE OR DEEPER AFFORDABLE UNITS, AND SO THEY SEEK THAT ADDITIONAL SUBSIDY.

UM, SO THEY COULD COME AND ASK FOR THAT SUPPORT LATER.

SOME DEVELOPMENTS SOMETIMES ASK FORTS, UM, TO MAKE THEIR PROJECTS EVEN MORE AFFORDABLE.

AND SO THAT WOULD HAPPEN AT A LATER TIME.

BUT FOR NOW, THIS IS JUST A PROCESS FOR THEM TO, UH, SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AT THE STATE AND HOPEFULLY BE AWARDED AT THE STATE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU, VERO.

AND THEN, UM, I KNOW THIS POLICY HAS TO BE ADOPTED BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR, UM, MAKING SURE THAT YOU MEET WITH ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND GET THEIR INPUT SO THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD.

UM, I, UH, THE OVERLAP WITH SHIP, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU, UM, GAVE US THAT, THAT OVERLAP.

I THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THAT, UM, ON YOUR PRACTITIONER, OR I'M SORRY, YOUR ESSAY SPEAK UP SURVEY FEEDBACK.

UH, THERE'S A REQUEST TO KNOW THE PROJECT'S IMPACTS ON TRAFFIC CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES, ALIGNMENT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, NUMBER OF UNITS, UM, AND THEN EVEN AN AMENITIES.

AND SO CAN YOU TELL ME HOW YOU WILL BE ACHIEVING THAT? SURE.

UM, SO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE DO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS IN THE APPLICATION WE ASK FOR ALL THIS INFORMATION.

WE DO ASK, UM, THE DEVELOPERS TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNCIL OFFICES WHENEVER THEY HAVE A PROPOSAL, BUT ALSO WE ENCOURAGE THEM, NOT REQUIRED, BUT WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, SPECIFICALLY IF THERE'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN THE AREA WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO LOCATE THIS.

AND SO THAT INFORMATION IS SHARED.

BUT WHEN WE VISIT WITH THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS, WE LET 'EM KNOW ALL OF THIS INFORMATION.

HERE'S THE AMENITIES PROPOSED, HERE'S THE TRANSPORTATION IMPACT.

UM, WE DO ASK, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE NEAREST AMENITIES, INCLUDING GROCERY STORES? SO THE COUNCIL OFFICES WOULD HAVE ALL OF THAT INFO AND IT'S INFORMATION WE DO ASK OF ALL APPLICANTS, THANK YOU, VERO.

AND I NOTICED IN THE PUBLIC MEETING FEEDBACK FROM SEPTEMBER 30TH, THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT AMENITIES.

I WAS HAPPY THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT PRIORITIZING PROXIMITY TO HEALTHCARE CENTERS.

THAT'S CRITICAL.

AND THEN, UM, HIGHLIGHTING INNOVATION OR NOVELTY IN THE PROJECTS IS, IS GREAT, ESPECIALLY IN, IN REGARDS TO, UM, FOR INSTANCE, THE CLIMATE ACTION ADAPT ADAPTATION PLAN, AND THEN, UH, PARTNERSHIPS WITH NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE, UH, THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU HEARD FROM ARE ON THE SAME PAGE THAT WE ARE.

SO THAT'S REASSURING.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN CASTILLO NOW, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN BRAVO.

LEAN ON THAT DOCUMENT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE BEING INTENTIONAL WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, THAT WE ARE HAVING THAT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

THANK YOU VERO, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I WANTED TO HONE IN ON ONE THING, UH, BEFORE I, UM, ENTER THIS AMEND INTO THE RECORD WITH THE CLERK.

UM, I WANNA BRING UP SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN BRINGING UP WITH THE LAST FEW MEETINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING.

AND I HAD MY BRIEFING ON FRIDAY AROUND FOUR 30 OR FIVE.

SO I WANNA THANK ALISON FOR HAVING THAT BRIEFING WITH ME.

UM, I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND NOW THAT WE ALL HAVE THE, THE SHIP AND HAVE REVIEWED IT AND CAN USE IT AS A GUIDING DOCUMENT, UM, THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND HOW ONE OF THOSE FACTORS DRIVE, UH, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT COST.

UM, I'M GLAD THAT I SEE THE MISSION REACH PROJECT, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE USED.

AND WHAT WE LEARNED, UH, FROM THE ALAMO COMMUNITY GROUP IS THAT THE AVERAGE COST TO BUILD A SINGLE PARKING SPACE IN A NEW MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS ROUGHLY $25,000.

AND THE MUSEUM REACH SAVED 3.5 MILLION ON PARKING SPACES, WHICH TRANSLATED TO UNITS AT 30 TO 40% A M I.

UM, SO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HOUSING TAX CREDITS, I THINK WE NEED TO, UM, TIE THESE TWO THINGS TOGETHER.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING DONE THROUGH THE U D C PROCESSES WHERE WE COULD GO TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PUT ON OUR RADAR THAT WE CAN LOOK AT PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO DRIVE DOWN AND BUY DOWN THAT DEEP AFFORDABILITY.

UM, BUT I WANTED TO ENTER THESE AMENDS INTO THE RECORD.

UM, ONE LIST, THE TENANT PROTECTIONS POLICY AND THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SECTION ALONG WITH THE CITY'S NON NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE, THE CITY'S NOTICE OF TENANT'S, RIGHT ORDINANCE, THE HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHER POLICY, AND THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT POLICY.

UM, A AGAIN, RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SHIP AS A GUIDING DOCUMENT AND WE'VE REVIEWED IT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LEAN ON THAT ENSURE THAT WE ARE PUTTING TENANT PROTECTIONS, UM, WITH EVERY, UH, HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION.

SO, UM, AGAIN, RIGHT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THESE PROTECTIONS.

AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS FOR DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

UM, AN AMENDMENT FOR THE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY SECTION TO STATE UP TO 15 POINTS WILL BE AWARDED TO DEVELOPMENTS THAT RESERVE AT LEAST 15% OF THEIR UNITS FOR HOUSEHOLDS WITH LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 30% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

AND 20 POINTS WILL BE AWARDED TO DEVELOPMENTS THAT RESERVE AT LEAST 20% OF UNITS HOUSEHOLDS WITH LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 30% AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

UH, UH, AGAIN, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE SHIP, LET'S

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SO I MOVE TO SEND THE CITY'S 2022 POLICY OF RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT AND RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION FOR APPLICANT SEEKING HOUSING TAX CREDITS FROM THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS TO FULL COUNSEL WITH AMENDMENTS, UH, THAT I LISTED.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY.

THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND A SECOND.

AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE WITH DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE UP THE, THE VOTE.

AND, UH, COUNCILMAN VO WAS NEXT.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THOSE AMENDMENTS THAT I REALLY LIKED.

UM, SO I WANT, I REALLY LIKE HERE THAT WHAT YOU'RE, OH, SORRY.

I REALLY LIKE HERE THAT YOU ARE BREAKING DOWN THE POINTS, CATEGORIES, UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING.

AND LET ME, LET ME START BY SAYING THAT, YES, YOU ALL HAVE MET WITH ME SEVERAL TIMES TO GET MY FEEDBACK AND UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY, ONE OF MY POINTS WAS, HEY, PROJECT AMENITIES AND RESIDENT SERVICES, YOU ALL HAVE SUSTAINABILITY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE.

AND THEY, THEY SHOULD BE BROKEN OUT.

THOSE SHOULDN'T BE IN THE SAME CATEGORY.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO SAY, WELL, I COULD GET THESE POINTS FOR PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF, BUT, OR INSTEAD I COULD JUST PUT SOME BARBECUE PITS UP, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHY THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN THE SAME CATEGORY.

AND YOU ALL ADDRESSED THAT, AND, UM, YOU ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION THAN WHAT I WAS PROPOSING.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING AND FOR DOING THAT.

UM, I AM INTERESTED IN, IN UNDERSTANDING BETTER HOW PEOPLE CAN ACHIEVE THESE, THE FULL POINTS ON THESE DIFFERENT POINTS, CATEGORIES, OR HOW THEY CAN GET TO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO HERE IS PROPOSING.

YOU GET 15 POINTS, IF YOU DO THIS, YOU GET 20, THE FULL 20 POINTS IF YOU DO THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I'M UNDER, I'M, I'M CURIOUS, LIKE TRANSPORTATION, 10 POINTS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE WITHIN THREE BLOCKS OF A MAJOR, UH, BUS LINE OR CORRIDOR, DO YOU GET 80% OF THOSE 10 POINTS OR DO YOU GET THE FULL 10 POINTS? UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY BLOCKS DO YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN IN ORDER TO GET THE FULL 10 POINTS? I'M INTERESTED IN BECAUSE I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF I'M BIDDING ON THIS, I'M GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING, HOW CAN I GET THE MOST POINTS? WHERE DO I WANT TO FOCUS MY EFFORTS? AND I WANT TO KNOW, AS SOMEBODY WHO'S HELPING TO DESIGN THE POINTS, CATEGORIES, I'M TO KNOW HOW MANY POINTS DO I HAVE TO PUT IN EACH CATEGORY IN ORDER TO MOVE THE NEEDLE, TO GET THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GONNA, THAT THEY ARE GONNA FOCUS ON THAT POINTS CATEGORY OR THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO ENOUGH TO GET THEM WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE PROJECTS.

UM, AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH POINTS IN THE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION PARTICIPATION CATEGORY OF FIVE POINTS.

I'M STILL INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE OVER THERE.

UH, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SO THERE ARE POINTS ON THE BOARD, AND SO WE HAVE TO TAKE AWAY FROM SOMETHING NOW, RIGHT? , UH, WHICH IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE.

AND, UM, SO IF I KNEW WHAT IT TOOK TO GET THE FULL 20 POINTS, LET'S SAY FOR, FOR DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, IF I KNEW SOMEBODY WAS GONNA DO THAT FOR JUST 18 POINTS, THEN I KNOW I CAN TAKE TWO POINTS AWAY FROM THERE, RIGHT? UM, SO I'M JUST, I UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY HOW DO YOU GET THE FULL POINT 10 POINTS VERSUS HALF OF 'EM VERSUS 80% OF 'EM OR WHATEVER.

THAT HELPS ME KNOW.

CAN I TAKE A FEW POINTS OVER FREIGHT AWAY FROM THIS, A FEW POINTS AWAY FROM THAT TO GIVE TO, LET'S SAY USE LOCAL BUSINESS AND CONTRACTORS? BECAUSE TWO POINTS MIGHT NOT MOVE ANYBODY, RIGHT? AND SO WHY EVEN HAVE THAT CATEGORY IF WE CAN'T MOVE ANYBODY? AND SO I, I'M, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, WHAT THE SPECIFIC CRITERIA IS TO GET WHAT PORTION OF THOSE RECOMMENDED POINTS IN EACH CATEGORY.

SURE.

AND, UM, MAYBE I CAN USE THE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY CATEGORY OF THE, UM, I THINK I'LL GO TO THE BACKUP SLIDES.

SO I'LL GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 40 SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE POINTS, UM, IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ARE DISTRIBUTED.

LET'S SEE.

OH, BUT YOU DIDN'T GET THE BACKUP.

SCORING SYSTEMS. SO FOR THE AFFORDABILITY, CURRENTLY TO GET THE 20 POINTS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE 10% OF THE UNITS AT 30% A M I, UM, THESE ARE ALL ORS, RIGHT? OR THEY HAVE TO HAVE 15% OF THE UNITS AT 40% A M I OR THEY HAVE TO HAVE 40% OF THE UNITS AT AT 50% A M I.

UM, SORRY, , WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF BACKUP THAT, THAT SHOWS HOW, UM, THE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY IS SCORED.

SO CURRENTLY TO GET THE 20 POINTS AND ANY, UM, DEVELOPERS ALWAYS TRYING TO GET THE, THE POINTS THEY NEED TO GET A RESOLUTION.

SO THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS LOOKING TO TRY AND GET A HUNDRED POINTS.

IT'LL BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO TRY AND GET A HUNDRED POINTS, BUT THEY'RE ALL LOOKING TO GET AT LEAST THAT 70 POINTS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL THAT THEY WANNA GET THERE THROUGH THE DIFFERENT

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AND SO THERE, THERE'S A BROAD RANGE.

UM, WE TEND TO HAVE 9% GET 10% OF THE UNITS AT 30% A M I.

SO THAT'S HOW SOMEONE MAXIMIZES THE 20 POINTS THERE TO GET 15 POINTS.

THEY ONLY HAVE TO HAVE 5% OF THE UNITS AT 30% A M I OR 10% OF THE UNITS AT 40% A M I OR 30% OF THE UNITS AT 50% A M I.

SO, SO THAT'S THE, THE DISTINCTION WITH THE AMENDMENT PROPOSED.

UM, THE POINT SYSTEM WOULD VARY.

UM, COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO, YOU WANTED, UM, WAS IT 20% OF THE UNITS AT 30% A M I, UH, THE, THE MOTION WAS AMEND THE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY SECTION UP TO 15 POINTS THAT WILL BE AWARDED TO DEVELOPMENTS THAT RESERVE AT LEAST 15 OF THEIR UNITS, HOUSEHOLDS WITH LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 30% OF THE AVERAGE A M I AND 20 POINTS AWARDED TO DEVELOPMENTS THAT RESERVE AT LEAST 20% OF THE UNITS WITH, WITH LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 30% OF THE A M I.

SO THAT CHANGE MEANS THAT IT'LL BE HARDER FOR SOMEONE TO GET THOSE 20 POINTS UNLESS THEY HAVE THE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

SO THAT'S HOW THAT, UH, WOULD WORK.

SO SOMEONE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET THOSE 20% POINTS UNLE UNLESS THEY HAVE THAT MANY UNITS.

SO THAT'S HOW THE SCORING WORKS.

AND EVERY APPLICATION LOOKS AT THE PARTICULAR DETAILS OF THAT APPLICATION, THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THE NUMBER OF UNITS AT DIFFERENT AMIS, UM, THE AMENITIES SPECIFIC TO THAT.

SO IT'S VERY TAILORED ONCE WE GET THE APPLICATIONS AND REVIEW IT.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW THE POINTS WORK.

GREAT.

UM, YEAH.

SO CAN YOU SEND US THOSE SLIDES BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.

SURE.

AND IF IT'S SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY'S ONLY GOING FOR 70 POINTS, IF SOMEBODY'S ONLY GOING FOR 70 POINTS TO BE ABLE TO TO, TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE 30 POINTS ON THE TABLE.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE PUTTING ENOUGH POINTS IN EACH CATEGORY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE INTENDED RESULT THAT WE WANT.

THANK YOU COUNCIL.

AND I THINK THAT VERONICA WAS POINTING AT THE, THE SCORING CATEGORIES AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE, UM, AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE IT.

SO INSTEAD OF THE 20 POINTS, IT, IT HAVE TO BE THE 20% UNITS, THAT 30% A M I, UM, I THINK IT WAS THIS IN THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS.

UM, THEY'RE IN MY BACKUP.

I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE IT.

SO, BUT IT WAS NOT Y'ALL.

SO IF YES, THANK YOU FOR, FOR PROVIDING OR FOR, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WOULD PROVIDE THEM TO US, SO THANK YOU, UH, COUNCILMAN VIA GRANT RA, COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

UH, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS I'VE HAD QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THIS DOES IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT IN MY COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU, VERONICA.

I'VE SEEN THAT SLIDE BEFORE, BUT WE'VE TALKED A LOT BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS IN DISTRICT THREE, AND I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD IN AN AMENDMENT THAT DID NOT GO TO THE PUBLIC AND DID NOT GO TO THE REST OF OUR COUNCIL COLLEAGUES.

UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE MEANING IN TERMS OF MOVING IT WITH SHIP, BUT MY CONCERN IS THE, THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU TOOK THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC, AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT THAT, THAT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY SLIDE.

SO I, I ALSO THINK, UM, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, SO THIS IS, WE CAN DO A LETTER OF SUPPORT OR A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION, AND MOST OF THE TIME THEY COME AND CA IF I THINK ABOUT THE PROJECTS IN DISTRICT THREE, THEY NORMALLY COME AND TALK TO THE COUNCIL PERSON AND THEIR ZONING PERSON AND HAVE MEETINGS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, AS THEY'RE PURSUING THESE TAX CREDITS FROM THE STATE.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WE, WE ASKED THEM TO MEET WITH THE COUNCIL OFFICES ABOUT ANY HOUSING TAX CREDIT DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO, AND NORMALLY WHAT, UH, MY OFFICE WILL DO AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THE PAST IS WE'VE MADE THEM GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND THIS IS WHERE I'VE, I I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH DISTRICT THREE IS WE'VE HAD SOME NEIGHBORS COME OUT AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT 30% A M I, WE'LL TAKE 40 TO 60, BUT WE DON'T WANT A DEVELOPMENT WITH 30% A M I.

AND I TRY TO WORK WITH THE, I WILL TRY AND WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS.

I KNOW THE FORMAL COUNCILWOMAN DID ALSO TO, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, UH, DEEPER AFFORDABILITY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WHAT THEY, THEY WANT TO ATTRIBUTE TO THAT.

AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THERE THAT, UH, I, I CAN, I CAN THINK OF MANY PROJECTS, THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, CLOSE TO BROOKS ABOUT THAT TOO.

SO I THINK, UM, I THINK AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE, UH, AND COMING AND TALKING TO ME,

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SO I, I WOULD, I WILL BE NOT SUPPORTING THESE AMENDMENTS.

'CAUSE I THINK IF WE WERE GOING TO AMEND IT, WE WOULD NEED TO TALK TO THE REST OF OUR COUNCIL COLLEAGUES AND WE WOULD NEED TO TALK TO THOSE GROUPS THAT YOU TALKED TO BEFORE.

SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UH, I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE DEVELOPMENT COMING IN THE DISTRICT AND, AND MEETING WITH THOSE WHO WANNA BRING DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

AND I KNOW THEY'RE OUT THERE BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ALREADY.

COUNCILMAN .

I THINK LORI WANTS TO CHIME IN, UH, WITH A RESPONSE HERE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

AND I JUST WANNA STRESS, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT APPLICATION PROCESS FOR OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.

AND THIS IS THE PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE DECIDE WHERE WE GET TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY GET A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT OR NO OBJECTION.

IT'S JUST A INITIAL VETTING DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET THESE TAX CREDITS IN THE EVENT THEY DO GET THE TAX CREDITS.

THEY TYPICALLY COME BACK TO THE CITY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

AND THAT IS THE TIME FOR ADDITIONAL VETTING.

'CAUSE AS COUNCILMAN GRO MENTIONED, SOME COUNCIL DISTRICTS DON'T WANT THAT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, MAINLY BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE TOO MUCH IN A CERTAIN AREA AND THEY NEED HIGHER A M I CATEGORIES.

AND SO AT THIS TIME, STAFF WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THESE AMENDMENTS.

HOWEVER, WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE'LL TAKE THE NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN WORK WITH, UM, OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, GET SOME MORE INPUT ON THIS, AND WE CAN COME BACK AT THE NEXT P C D C MEETING WITH WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD IF THAT IS OKAY.

UM, AND WITH A, WITH ANOTHER OR FINAL RECOMMENDATION.

BUT GIVEN THAT THESE AMENDMENTS WERE MADE TODAY, WE NEED MORE TIME TO REVIEW THEM AND THE IMPACT MM-HMM.

, THEY'LL HAVE TO THE OVERALL AFFORDABILITY PLAN.

THIS COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO WHAT WE GET.

AND WE NEED TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T KILL THEIR FINANCING.

I MEAN, COUNCILMAN COURAGE, YOU KNOW THAT MOST OF THESE 4% AND 9% DEALS COME TO THE HOUSING TRUST FOR SOMETHING.

THEY COME TO THE CITY FOR GRANT FUNDING OR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, AND THAT'S THE TIME FOR US TO BUY DOWN OR GET MORE AFFORDABILITY.

BUT DOING THIS INITIAL BARRIER IS GOING TO HURT OUR ABILITY TO GET MORE AFFORDABILITY.

BUT LET US DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THAT AND COME BACK TO YOU AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING WITH A FINAL RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU, LORI.

LET'S LISTEN TO, UH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE NOW AND THEN FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.

UM, YEAH, I'LL SAY I, I REALLY AM SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED FOR, UH, SOME CHANGES, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT LORI'S SAYING TOO, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR US TO GET A LITTLE MORE INPUT.

THIS COMMITTEE CAN MAKE A DECISION, IT CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE COUNCIL CAN'T CHANGE IT WHEN IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL.

UH, MAYBE IT'S BETTER TO EVEN MAKE THESE PROPOSALS TO THE FULL COUNCIL TO GET ITS SUPPORT AFTER WE'VE HAD A LITTLE MORE INPUT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS A TEACHER FOR 27 YEARS AND TO ME, A 70 IS, YOU KNOW, C IT'S AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN AVERAGE.

NOWADAYS IT'S BELOW AVERAGE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, TO GET A LETTER OF SUPPORT OR AGREEMENT SOMEHOW FROM THE CITY.

YOU SHOULDN'T BE STRIVING TO GET 75 OR 80 POINTS COUNCILMAN RATHER THAN JUST SEVEN.

LET ME CORRECT MYSELF.

IT IS 75.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION NOW IS AT LEAST 75? YES, SIR.

OKAY, WELL, THAT'S THE C PLUS, BUT IT'S STILL A LONG WAY FROM AN A OR A B.

SO ANYWAYS, I, I'M, I'M A LITTLE MORE SATISFIED TO HEAR 75, BUT I, I JUST BELIEVE THAT THE MORE WE CAN ASK THE DEVELOPERS TO INCLUDE MORE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE THING A LOT OF 'EM DON'T LIKE TO DO IS DO OUTREACH.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GO OUT AND TALK TO THE COMMUNITY.

BUT THAT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS BECAUSE JUST AS, AS YOU WERE SAYING, COUNCILMAN GRO, SOMETIMES THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT CERTAIN THINGS IN THERE, AND IF YOU DON'T GO TALK TO THEM, THEN IT JUST LEADS TO MORE PROBLEMS DOWN THE LINE.

SO ANYWAY, UH, I'LL, I'LL END MY CONVERSATION WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY BASED ON THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE TODAY.

COURAGE.

COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND MAKE THE CONNECTION WITH THAT POVERTY REPORT THAT WE JUST HAD, RIGHT? IT'S SINGLE MOMS WHO, WHO ARE LIVING BELOW POVERTY, HAVING ACCESS TO FIND DEEP, AFFORDABLE HOUSINGS.

I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GROUND OURSELVES ON THE FIRST PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST HAD AND TO PRIORITIZE, NOT IN MY BACKYARD BEHAVIOR.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, WE JUST RECEIVED A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE NEED TO PRODUCE DEEP AFFORDABILITY, BUT OH, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE POOR PEOPLE, SO LET ME NOT SUPPORT DEEP AFFORDABILITY.

UM, THAT'S JUST WRONG.

UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, RIGHT, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A COMMITTEES IS FOR US TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE THEY GO TO FULL COUNCIL.

SO I, I,

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AND, AND WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST RHETORIC, THAT WE ARE COMING IN WITH THE SUPPORT WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING SUPPORT AND DEVELOPMENT.

UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK IT'S THAT IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT THE LANGUAGE FOR AFFORDABILITY, FOR THE HOUSING TAX CREDITS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THIS LAST CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH HOUSING TAX CREDITS.

SO THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT WE DO PRODUCE THAT DEEP AFFORDABILITY.

SO, UM, I STAND BY THE AMENDMENTS.

SO I SAY WE CALL THIS TO VOTE AND THE OTHER THING IS JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH YOU DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT POOR PEOPLE.

SO, BUT I, I SAY WE CALL THIS TO VOTE.

OKAY? THERE'S A MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANNA GET CLARIFICATION.

UH, SO THE, I I, SORRY.

THE OPPORTUNITY WAS GIVEN TO US TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK, LORI, WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, RESEARCH.

GO AHEAD.

YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THIS TO GO INTO COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 18TH.

OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING, I BELIEVE IS THE 17TH.

IS THAT CORRECT OR THE, IT'S NEXT MONDAY.

NEXT MONDAY, YEAH.

AND SO WE'D LIKE SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THESE AMENDMENTS AND THE IMPACT, I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO GET MORE AFFORDABILITY, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN STILL GET MORE AFFORDABILITY WITH THESE CHANGES.

'CAUSE IT COULD REALLY KILL ANY PROJECTS ABILITY TO GET THE, THE, THE TAX CREDITS OR EVEN BE ABLE TO GET FINANCING.

AND SO LET US COME BACK NEXT MONDAY REVIEWING THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S AMENDMENTS WITH OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

HOPEFULLY VERO AND HER TEAM WILL HAVE MET WITH DISTRICT SEVEN AND DISTRICT EIGHT, AND WE'LL COME BACK.

WHAT? I CAN'T LEAVE THE NEXT.

UM, BUT THEN WE COULD COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL.

REGARDLESS IF IT GOES TO COUNCIL, THESE AMENDMENTS STAFF MOST LIKELY WILL COME BACK WITH OUR OWN RECOMMENDATION.

WILL THE FULL COUNCIL WILL BE DELAYED? IT CANNOT BE DELAYED BECAUSE WE HAVE A SCHEDULE.

THIS IS A SCHEDULE THAT'S SET BY THE STATE.

RIGHT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS COME BACK TO THE CITY AFTER THEY KNOW THEY GET THEIR TAX CREDITS, AND THEN THEY ASK FOR MORE AFFORDABILITY OR MORE MONEY TO GET MORE AFFORDABILITY.

RIGHT? YOU PUT THIS AT THIS FIRST BARRIER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO VET AS MANY PROJECTS.

AT THAT THERE'S, WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE COUNCIL CONSENSUS WHEN THEY COME BACK TO US TO SAY, WELL, THESE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROJECT AND THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE, WE FEEL LIKE THEY NEED MORE, OR, OR THIS IS WHERE THEY REALLY EXCELLED AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT THEM ON THIS.

THANK YOU FOR SOME OF THOSE CLARIFICATIONS, LORI.

UM, AND THANK YOU COUNCILMAN CASTILLO FOR PRESENTING THESE AMENDMENTS.

LIKE THESE ARE, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I WANT TO BE HAVING HERE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE LOOKING AT HOW PEOPLE GET, ACHIEVE THOSE POINTS, NOT JUST SEEING HOW MANY POINTS ARE POSSIBLE IN EACH CATEGORY, BUT LOOKING AT WHAT IT TAKES TO GET ALL THOSE POINTS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

LORI WAS STATING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT THESE 4%, 9% TAX CREDITS, THIS IS JUST AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT POLICY.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AND GET INTO THESE DETAILS.

AND I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH WHETHER WE, WE SEND THESE, YOU KNOW, AMEND IT NOW OR NOT.

BUT I, I DO WANT SUPPORT THE IDEA OF HAVING MORE OF THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE WE GO TO THE FULL COUNCIL AND POSSIBLY MORE OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AT THE FULL COUNCIL.

UM, SO MAY MAYBE SOMEBODY ONLY NEEDS TO GET 75 POINTS, AND THAT'S FINE.

AND IT DOESN'T MATTER.

WE NEED TO, MAYBE WE NEED TO KEEP THE BARRIER LOW ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE CAN QUALIFY AS THAT FIRST STEP, RIGHT? THE GOAL IS TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD TRYING TO GET THESE TAX CREDITS.

THE STATE HAS OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT VET THEM EVEN FURTHER.

SO I SUPPORT THAT.

HOWEVER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EACH POINT CATEGORY JUST RIGHT, BECAUSE WHEN THOSE, WHEN THOSE INDIVIDUALS, ONCE THEY PASS THE, OUR TEST, OUR INITIAL TEST, THE STATE TEST, AND THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE COULD USE SOME MORE MONEY.

WE'LL PROBABLY GO BACK AND LOOK, WELL, HOW MANY POINTS DID THEY SCORE? AND SOMEBODY MIGHT'VE SCORED 85, SOMEBODY MIGHT'VE SCORED 88.

AND LIKE THAT COULD FACTOR INTO IT WHEN THEY COME BACK TO US.

SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE, YOU KNOW, THE, JUST THE WITHIN EACH POINTS CATEGORY, HOW WE GET THERE AND WHAT, WHAT CONSTITUTES GETTING THE FULL, THE FULL POINTS IN EACH CATEGORY.

AND OFTENTIMES THE PROJECT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT AND THEY'VE DONE MORE COMMUNITY WORK.

AND SO WE TYPICALLY DON'T COME BACK TO THIS SCORING.

WE REALLY LOOK AT THE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY MAY BE DOING 10%, 30% A M I, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA SAY, IF YOU WANT $2 MILLION IN GAP FUNDING, YOU NEED TO GO TO 20% AT 30% A M I.

AND THAT'S WHAT OUR, OUR MONEY IS GOING TOWARDS.

MM-HMM.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE'RE USING OUR MONEY TO REALLY CHANGE THEIR PROJECT AND GET MORE AFFORDABILITY, RIGHT? THIS IS THE INITIAL THRESHOLD TO EVEN GET 'EM A CHANCE TO COMPETE FOR THESE CREDITS.

WELL, DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THEN THAT WE LOOK

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THAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

SO WHEN THEY COME TO US AND WE DO A COMPETITION, WE TYPICALLY DO ALL OF OUR SOLICITATIONS THROUGH, UM, BUT WHAT IS THAT BASED ON THAT STAFF? WE ASK THEM, IT'S BASED ON THEIR PROPOSAL, AND THEN WE LOOK AT WHAT OTHERS HAVE SUBMITTED, RIGHT? AND THEN WE NEGOTIATE FROM THERE, AND WE WILL HAVE CERTAIN THRESHOLDS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE SHIP, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE HOUSING COMMISSION, WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

BUT I WANNA STRESS WHAT COUNCILMAN GRA SAID IS RIGHT ON.

IT'S REALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS.

WE WANNA LISTEN TO THEM AND BALANCE THAT.

AND SO SOMETIMES, AND USUALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS IS IN ALIGNMENT WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS.

RIGHT.

I, I'M ALL FOR THAT.

I JUST, I JUST, I GUESS I WANT 'EM, JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THESE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT 'EM AS LIKE WE COME UP WITH A SET OF GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND THAT WE HAVE COUNSEL, COUNSEL AGREEMENT OR CONSENSUS ON THAT, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA BE BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AS WELL.

SO, THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN BAR BRAVO.

THERE WAS, I'M SORRY, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A MOTION TO CALL A QUESTION.

I DIDN'T HEAR A SECOND TO TO CALL THE QUESTION, WHICH IS WHY WE WE CONTINUED, WAS THERE A, A SECOND.

SO, WHICH IS WHY WE CONTINUED THE DISCUSSION, BUT MY APOLOGIES DID, WAS THERE A SECOND? AND I JUST MISSED IT.

COUNCILMAN CORD TAP BACK IN.

AND THEN, UM, SO THE, THE, I DO HAVE, SO THE ALTERNATIVE RIGHT NOW WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THE AMENDMENTS AND THE PROPOSAL THAT, THAT LORI'S CONSIDERING FOR ANYBODY'S MOTION, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK, I KNOW COUNCILMAN BERAN, YOU WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE.

BUT COUNCILMAN CUR, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, LORI.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHY IS THE DEADLINE FOR THESE, UH, BY THAT 18TH OF NOVEMBER? BECAUSE WE NEED TO SUBMIT OUR R F P OR OUR CALL FOR PEOPLE TO SUBMIT REQUESTS FOR THESE LETTERS OF RESOLUTION, AND THEY NEED ENOUGH TIME ONCE THEY GET THOSE LETTERS OF RESOLUTION TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION TO THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND SO T D H C HAS A DEADLINE, AND SO THIS BACKS INTO THAT DEADLINE TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME.

WHAT IS THAT T D H C DEADLINE? SO T D H C A OPENS THEIR APPLICATION PORTAL DECEMBER ONE, AND THEY CLOSE IT THE FIRST WEEK IN JANUARY.

SO THAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR A PRE-APPLICATION AT THE STATE.

BUT THEY OPENED THE PORTAL DECEMBER ONE FOR US.

UM, OUR DEADLINE FOR SOMEONE TO APPLY FOR THE RESOLUTIONS IS THE MONDAY AFTER THAT DEADLINE.

SO DEVELOPERS CAN FOCUS ON THEIR APPLICATION AT THE STATE, AND THEN THEY SUBMIT TO US AFTER THAT.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE TO WORK VERY DILIGENTLY TO GET THE RESOLUTIONS TO COUNCIL BEFORE, UM, MARCH SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEM, UH, BECAUSE THE FULL APPLICATION IS DUE, UH, MARCH IN MARCH 30TH, MARCH 1ST.

UM, SO WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY JANUARY AND FEBRUARY TO DO OUR WORK SO THAT WE GET THE RESOLUTIONS TO THEM.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE HURTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IF THEY DON'T GET THE RESOLUTIONS IN TIME.

MADAM CHAIR, I, I, I RESPECT THE REQUEST AND I THINK LORI HAS INDICATED WHAT THEY COULD DO TO TRY AND GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SORRY IF THE COUNCILWOMAN MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT, IT MAY HAPPEN ANY MEETING, SOME OF US MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS ISSUE BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING TO HEAR FURTHER REPORT ON WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK WE GET WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE, UH, BY THE COUNCILWOMAN ON CHANGING, UH, THE 20 POINTS TO WHERE YOU CAN GET 15 POINTS OR YOU CAN GET 20 BASED ON HOW MANY 30% UNITS YOU BUILD IN SECOND.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

SO WE'LL TAKE THIS, UH, THIS MOTION UP FIRST.

AND THEN, UM, SO COUNCILMAN, DID YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? OKAY.

BE A NO FOR THIS, AND, BUT I CAN'T, SO THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN BRAVO, GO AHEAD.

YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THIS MOTION WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE FINAL, WHATEVER WE DO ON NEXT WEEK, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT TO THE COUNCIL AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT ALWAYS TRUE ANY AMENDMENTS THAT ANY OF US BRING FORWARD COUNCIL.

UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT ANY MINDS ARE GONNA CHANGE BEFORE THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK, I THINK YOU CAN GO DO THE RESEARCH, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS SPLIT, AND I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA HAVE TO GO TO FULL COUNCIL AND WE'LL DEBATE IT THERE ALSO.

BUT I'M, THE ONLY REASON I'D WANNA BE HERE IS BECAUSE MY VOTE WOULD

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COUNCILWOMAN VRAN.

WE WILL MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROGRAM POLICIES FOR HUD FUNDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACTIVITIES.

WE'LL TAKE UP THE MOTION ON THE TABLE, WHICH IS TO POSTPONE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.

SO, UM, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY AGAINST? OKAY.

SO WE HAVE, UH, ONE PERSON AGAINST, ALRIGHT, SO WE, OH, LORI, GO AHEAD.

AND I JUST WANNA ADD THAT THE AGENDA, WE WILL POST THIS WEEK FOR NEXT WEEK'S MEETING.

WE WILL STATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE MEMO WILL REFLECT THIS DISCUSSION AND HOW WE'LL BE DISCUSSING IT ON MONDAY'S MEETING.

BUT AT THIS TIME, STAFF IS NOT CHANGING THEIR RECOMMENDATION FROM WHAT YOU SAW TODAY.

AND MONDAY, THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE DISCUSSION.

UM, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING MORE NON-PROFIT AND OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PARTNERS HERE AT NEXT WEEK'S MEETING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AS WELL.

UM, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU'D GO OUT AND TALK TO PEOPLE BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT.

WE WILL.

WE ABSOLUTELY WILL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS ON THE AGENDA, SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE A FINAL RECOMMENDATION.

YOU'LL JUST HAVE TODAY'S RECOMMENDATION REFLECTING THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OKAY.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

UM,

[3. Briefing and possible action on program policies for HUDfunded affordable housing activities. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services] ]

THIS IS, UH, GOING TO BE PRESENTED BY VERONICA.

GO AHEAD.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IN TEXAS ARE OFFERING THROUGH THEIR HOME BUYER PROGRAMS. SO THAT'S UP TO $30,000.

VERONICA GARCIA, DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR N H S D.

THIS MORNING I HAVE FOR YOU OUR ITEM, WHICH LOOKS AT PROPOSED UPDATES TO OUR HUD FUNDED HOUSING ACTIVITIES.

THE CITY RECEIVES ENTITLEMENT FUNDS EVERY YEAR FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

THIS INCLUDES FUNDING FOR HOUSING ACTIVITIES THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT PROGRAM, OUR HOME PARTNERSHIP FUNDS, AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM.

WE HAVE DEVELOPED OUR POLICIES TO ENSURE OUR FUNDED ACTIVITIES ARE IN LINE WITH THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.

AND THIS IS BASED ON THESE POLICIES THAT WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS BACK IN OCTOBER, 2019.

SO, TODAY'S, UH, REQUEST IS TO INCREASE THE ASSISTANCE LIMITS FOR HOUSING ACTIVITIES FOR EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS. AND I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE ITEMS. FIRST IS OUR OWNER OCCUPIED AND REHAB AND RECONSTRUCTION PROGRAM.

THIS PROGRAM IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PRESERVING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE DO HAVE IN OUR CITY.

THROUGH THIS, WE ARE ABLE TO HELP HOMEOWNERS AT 80% OF THE AREA, MEDIAN INCOME OR BELOW.

AND WE, UH, THROUGH THIS, WE DO MANY THINGS TO HELP THEM STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

WE CAN REDO PLUMBING, REDO ELECTRICAL, PUT ON NEW ROOFS, WINDOWS.

ALL OF THAT IS DONE THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.

SO WITH TODAY'S ITEM, WE ARE ASKING TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM ASSISTANCE WE CAN PROVIDE TO EACH HOMEOWNER.

WE HAVE SEEN, UM, LIKE MANY OTHERS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, WE HAVE SEEN RISING COSTS, ASSOCIATED LABOR, SHORT LABOR, INCREASING PRICING, UH, SHORTAGE OF MATERIALS.

ALL OF THAT HAS MADE OUR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS GO UP.

EACH PRICE THAT WE SPEND, UM, BEFORE THE PANDEMIC ON EACH HOME WAS AROUND 90,000.

AND THIS PAST YEAR, WE'RE SPENDING MORE LIKE $106,000 TO REHAB AND RECONSTRUCT HOMES.

SO, UH, ALSO TO GIVE YOU FURTHER CONTEXT, PRE PANDEMIC, WE HAD TWO HOMES THAT EXCEEDED OUR MAXIMUM ASSISTANCE AMOUNTS.

AND WE CAN, THROUGH OUR DIRECTOR'S APPROVAL, GO AHEAD AND SPEND BEYOND THAT AMOUNT.

BUT IT DOES REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK, WHICH OF COURSE MEANS MORE TIME BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THE REPAIRS TO THE HOME.

SO, UH, AFTER SINCE THE PANDEMIC, WE'VE HAD 18 HOMES THAT HAVE NEEDED A WAIVER OF THESE MAXIMUM ASSISTANCE.

SO ALLOWING US TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT PER HOME HELPS US GET TO HOMES AND REPAIR THEM TO THE LEVEL THAT THEY NEED TO BE PRESERVED IN A MORE TIMELY FASHION.

THE OTHER REQUESTS THAT WE'RE ASKING TODAY IS TO, UM, HELP INCREASE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNTS AWARDED TO FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.

THROUGH OUR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, WE DO OFFER HELP WITH DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, AS WELL AS CLOSING COSTS FOR HOME BUYERS AT 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME OR BELOW.

SO THAT TRANSLATES TO THE MAX HOME PRICE.

WE CAN ASSIST SOMEONE WITH BUYING IS $196,000, AND THAT IS SET THROUGH HUD.

SO WE, UM, THROUGH OUR PROGRAM, WE ARE ASKING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT WE CAN GIVE A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER UP TO $30,000.

SINCE THE PANDEMIC, WE HAVE SEEN THE AVERAGE MEDIAN SALES PRICE INCREASE BY OVER 20%, AND THAT MEANS THAT HOME BUYERS ARE HAVING TO HAVE MORE CASH UPFRONT AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE A HOME IN TODAY'S HOME, HOME MARKET.

AND INCREASING THE ASSISTANCE WE CAN PROVIDE TO EACH HOMEOWNER WILL BRING US CLOSER IN LINE TO WHAT OUR OTHER CITIES

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THE LAST PROGRAM WE WANNA MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO IS OUR HOME OWNERSHIP HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM.

THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, WE ARE ABLE TO HELP OUR NONPROFIT PROVIDERS WHO ARE CONSTRUCTING NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS AT 80% OF THE AREA MEETING INCOME OR BELOW.

UH, JUST LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN OUR, UH, CONSTRUCTION PROGRAMS, THEY TOO ARE SEEING INCREASING COSTS TO CREATE NEW SINGLE FAMILY AFFORDABLE HOMES IN OUR MARKET.

SO WITH THIS ACTION, WE ARE ASKING TO INCREASE THE SUBSIDY PER UNIT UP TO $75,000.

AND BY HAVING THIS INCREASED SUBSIDY PER UNIT, WE ARE HELPING OUR NONPROFIT PROVIDERS, UH, COVER THE COSTS OF RISING HOMES AND PASSING THOSE COSTS ONTO HOMEOWNERS SO THEY CAN KEEP THOSE HOME PRICES AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE.

TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, WE DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS.

SO WE DID BRIEF THE HOUSING COMMISSION LAST MONTH.

WE HAVE AN OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD RIGHT NOW.

THESE, UH, CHANGES ARE ON OUR WEBSITE.

THEY WERE POSTING THE EXPRESS NEWS.

UM, AND THEN IF WITH YOUR APPROVAL TODAY, WE CAN GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 18TH TO HAVE THESE, UH, ASSISTANCE LIMITS ADJUSTED, THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, VERONICA.

UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE WORK THAT YOU DID.

HOW DOES, HOW DO THESE INCREASES IN THIS PROGRAM, FRED, INTO THE SHIP? SURE.

SO OUR SHIP, UH, PRIORITIZES, UH, PRESERVATION.

WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T JUST NEED TO PRODUCE NEW HOUSING, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO PRESERVE THE HOUSING THAT WE HAVE.

AND THE SHIP ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF, UH, SUPPORTING OUR NONPROFIT PROVIDERS AND INCREASING CAPACITY OF THEM.

SO INCREASING OUR SUBSIDY LIMITS TO OUR NONPROFITS THAT ARE BUILDING HOUSING AS WELL.

INCREASING THE SUBSIDY LIMITS THAT WE CAN USE TO PRESERVE HOMES AND HELP HOME BUYERS BUY HOMES IS ALL WITHIN THE SHIP.

WE'VE ALSO HEARD THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS THAT WHEN WE DO HELP HOMEOWNERS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, AMOUNTS, UH, ONE 20% AND BELOW, WITH EMPHASIS ON BELOW THAT.

SO THESE PROGRAMS ALL HELP HOME BUYERS AT 80% OF THE AREA MEDIA INCOME OR BELOW.

THANK YOU, VERONICA.

AND THEN CAN YOU HELP ME EXPLAIN THE NEED, UM, TO HELP FAMILIES IN THE PROGRAM AT 80% A M I? SO THAT WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, $53,000 FOR FAMILY OF THREE.

AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? YES, EXACTLY.

SO THAT IS THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE IN THAT INCOME LEVEL.

AND WHAT WE HAVE HAD HEARD THROUGH THE SHIP PROCESS IS THAT LOOKING AT THAT ONE 20% OR BELOW.

SO THIS BRINGS US ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HOMEOWNERS AT 80%.

SO THAT, UH, MEANS YEAH, FOR FAMILY FOUR $59,000.

UM, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.

COUNCILMAN COURAGE? YES, THANK YOU.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, THE MAXIMUM SALES PRICE PER HUD MM-HMM.

, NOW THAT'S BASED ON 80% A M I.

IT'S PER FIRSTHAND MEMBERS.

OKAY? MM-HMM.

NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING ASSISTANCE FROM 15 TO 30,000.

WHAT IS THAT ASSISTANCE? WHAT DOES IT COVER? SURE.

IT COVERS DOWN PAYMENT SO THEY CAN HAVE A DOWN PAYMENT FOR THE HOME AS WELL AS HELPS TOWARDS CLOSING COSTS.

SO RIGHT NOW, THAT'S ONLY $15,000.

AND WHAT'S THE USUAL DOWN PAYMENT? UH, 10% OF A HOME.

UH, DOESN'T FHAS OWN FINANCING, UH, OFFER A MUCH LOWER, UH, DOWN PAYMENT? IT USED TO BE 3%.

UH, IS IT STILL 3% OR HAS IT GONE UP? I'M SEEING NODS FROM OUR TEAM.

IT'S SUCH SO WHY AREN'T WE FINANCING THESE WITH F H A AND SAVING THE HOMEOWNER AND US, UH, INSTEAD OF DOING COMMERCIAL CONVENTIONAL FINANCING? SURE.

I'LL LET UP , OKAY? MM-HMM.

UM, SO THESE ARE NOT ALL F H A, SOME OF THEM WILL BE, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL F H A.

SO A CLIENT STILL HAS TO GET A MORTGAGE.

WE DON'T DIRECT THEM TO A PARTICULAR MORTGAGE PRODUCT.

SOME OF THEM MAY BE F H A, BUT IT'S WHOEVER THEIR LENDER IS THAT THAT LENDS THEM THE MONEY.

AND THE MORE ASSISTANCE WE CAN PROVIDE, IT MEANS THE LOWER THEIR MORTGAGE PAYMENT IN THE END.

BECAUSE INSTEAD OF BORROWING, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THEY BUY A HOUSE FOR $200,000, UM, JUST USING VERY SIMPLE MATH, IF THEY HAVE 30 K DOWN, THEIR MORTGAGE IS NOT GONNA BE 200,000.

THEIR MORTGAGE IS GONNA BE 1,700.

SO THEIR MONTHLY PAYMENT FOR THE MORTGAGE IS NOT GONNA BE $2,000.

IT'S GONNA BE 1,700.

SO THAT'S VERY SIMPLE.

MATH 1,700 IS WAY MORE AFFORDABLE THAN $2,000 PER MONTH.

SO THAT'S HOW WE CAN HELP A FAMILY.

SO I'M, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR MORE BALANCE.

I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

BUT ALSO, IF YOU USE F H A LOANS, YOU GET A LOWER INTEREST RATE THAN IF YOU USE A CONVENTIONAL LOAN.

SO THAT MEANS THE INTEREST RATE WILL MEAN A LOWER PAYMENT OVERALL TOO.

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30,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY, AND IT SEEMS TO ME WE'RE HELPING CONVENTIONAL BANKS MAKE MORE MONEY THAN WE ARE HELPING THE PROPERTY OWNER AND, AND HELPING OURSELVES.

CAN'T WE SIMPLY SAY, WE'LL, WE'LL HELP ANYBODY WHO USE F H A FINANCING, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA GO CONVENTIONAL, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR OWN MONEY.

AND REALLY, IT PUTS THE ONUS NOT ON NECESSARILY ON THE BUYER, UNLESS THEY CAN'T QUALIFY FOR F H A.

AND I THINK IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCES, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM.

BUT IF THEY'RE A VET OR IF THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR F H A, IT SAVES THEM INTEREST.

IT SAVES THEM COSTS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY PRIVATE MORTGAGE INSURANCE.

AND IT SAVES US A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN 15 TO $30,000.

AND WHERE WE CAN ENCOURAGE THOSE F H A LOADS, WE DO THAT.

BUT AGAIN, IT, IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, FIRST TIME HOME BUYER WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE.

UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THEY'RE BUYING A HOUSE.

I'M, I'M GOING TO USE SIMPLE MATH, AGAIN, $200,000.

TYPICALLY YOU DO PUT 10% DOWN.

SO THAT'S $20,000.

$20,000 IS STILL MORE THAN OUR CURRENT LIMIT OF 15 K.

UM, SO IT'S STILL A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE OFFER.

UM, AND SO IT DOESN'T MEAN WE ALWAYS PROVIDE $30,000.

WE STILL LOOK AT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THAT FAMILY.

WE STILL LOOK AT THEIR MORTGAGE.

UM, BUT PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR A MORTGAGE AND ALL KINDS OF FACTORS GOING TO THAT.

NOT JUST, UM, WHAT MORTGAGE THEY HAVE, BUT WHAT THEIR CURRENT DEBT RATIOS ARE, WHAT THEIR CURRENT CREDIT IS.

AND FOR A LOW-INCOME FAMILY, IT IS MUCH HARDER TO QUALIFY FOR A MORTGAGE.

AND WE'RE DEALING WITH FAMILIES AT 80% A M I.

SO ANYONE WHO'S WILLING TO GIVE THEM A MORTGAGE AND BECOME A FIRST TIME WHOLE BUYER BUILDS THAT EQUITY THAT A LOW-INCOME FAMILY MAY NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE.

YOU KNOW, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST SUPPORTING THE CONVENTIONAL MORTGAGE MARKET BY DOING THIS.

THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T SAY, IF YOU WANT CITY MONEY, YOU NEED TO GET AN F H A LOAN IF YOU'RE ELIGIBLE, OR IF YOU'RE VET A VA LOAN, IF YOU'RE ELIGIBLE, WE CAN PUT OUR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE SPEND OUR MONEY TO SUPPORT PEOPLE BUY HOMES.

IT IS EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO GET A CONVENTIONAL LOAN.

THE RESTRICTIONS ON YOUR INCOME AND CREDIT HISTORY EVEN MORE DIFFICULT ON A CONVENTIONAL HOME.

SO WHY ON EARTH WOULDN'T WE JUST SAY THIS WILL HELP PEOPLE WITH F H A HOMES, THEY'RE THE MOST AFFORDABLE, THE EASIEST TO QUALIFY.

SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S ABOUT FLEXIBILITY.

SO WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO GO FOR YOUR FIRST TIME HOME AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THAT MORTGAGE, I THINK HOWEVER YOU CAN GET A MORTGAGE AND THAT WE CAN HELP THEM WITH THAT IS THE, IS THE FOCUS OF THE PROGRAM.

UM, VERONICA, THANK YOU.

COUNCIL COURAGE.

WE HAVE MICHAEL TAYLOR IN HERE FROM CROSS TIMBER, AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO, TO SEE IF HE COULD HELP UN HELP US UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE QUESTION AT HAND AND JUST MAYBE FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, SPEAK A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN.

PLEASE COME UP, MICHAEL.

UH, FOR MORTGAGE INSURANCE.

THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN.

UH, MICHAEL TAYLOR WITH, UM, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND, UM, ALSO CROSS TIMBER HOMES.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

UM, SO ON THE CROSS TIMBER SIDE, WE ACTUALLY WORK WITH, UM, BUYERS WHO DO HAVE TO GET FINANCING FROM, UH, A THIRD PARTY.

SO, UM, EITHER A BANK OR A MORTGAGE BROKER.

OF COURSE, ON THE HABITAT SIDE, HABITAT IS THE LENDER.

UM, BUT WITH OUR EXPERIENCE WITH, UM, CROSS TIMBER, I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO, UM, TO YOUR POINTS, COUNCILMAN, COURAGE.

UM, SO YOU ARE RIGHT.

IT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO GET A CONVENTIONAL LOAN.

UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, CONVENTIONAL LOANS ARE ACTUALLY LESS EXPENSIVE.

UM, F H A LOANS ARE, UH, THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR BUYERS WITH, UM, LOWER CREDIT SCORES, LOWER AMOUNTS THAT THEY CAN PUT DOWN.

UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.

UM, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WHEN YOU'RE LENDING MONEY TO A RISKIER BUYER, IT'S GONNA BE A MORE EXPENSIVE LOAN.

SO THE INTEREST RATES ON F H A LOANS ARE ALWAYS HIGHER.

UM, IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO BANKRATE.COM OR, OR A SITE LIKE THAT, IT'LL SHOW YOU, UM, THE INTEREST RATES FOR A CONVENTIONAL LOAN.

AND F H A AND F H A IS ALWAYS, UM, HIGHER ON AVERAGE.

UM, BUT THEN F H A LOANS ALSO HAVE MORTGAGE INSURANCE.

AND SO MORTGAGE INSURANCE, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE IS GENERALLY A GOOD THING.

YOU THINK ABOUT IT BEING A GOOD THING, BUT MORTGAGE INSURANCE IS ACTUALLY INSURANCE FOR THE LENDER.

UM, AND IT, IT MAKES THEM WHOLE IN THE EVENT OF DEFAULT.

AND SO WITH AN F H A BORROWER, UM, THERE'S A HIGHER CHANCE THAT THEY WILL DEFAULT BECAUSE THEY ARE RISKIER IN GENERAL, LOWER CREDIT SCORES, LESS DOWN PAYMENT.

UM, SO THE, THE BORROWER ACTUALLY HAS TO PAY AN EXTRA AMOUNT PER MONTH.

THAT'S GENERALLY ABOUT A HUNDRED DOLLARS,

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SO, SO NOT ONLY ARE THEY PAYING A HIGHER INTEREST RATE, UM, THEY'RE ALSO PAYING THIS MORTGAGE INSURANCE EVERY MONTH.

SO THEIR MONTHLY PAYMENT IS GONNA BE HIGHER THAN ON A CONVENTIONAL LOAN.

UM, AT CROSS TIMBER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SERVING FAMILIES THAT ARE 70% TO 110% A M I, UM, IN GENERAL.

AND FOR OUR BUYERS, WE ALWAYS TRY AND GET THEM TO GET A CONVENTIONAL LOAN, UM, IF POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE LESS EXPENSIVE.

MANY OF THEM DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION, SO THEY'LL GO F H A, UM, AND IT IS A GOOD PROGRAM FOR, FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR CONVENTIONAL, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THEM.

THANK YOU, MICHAEL, FOR SHARING THAT.

UM, COUNCILMAN CASTILLO, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN VRAN.

I'M LOOKING AT THE HOME REHAB FUNDING, AND CAN SOMEONE REMIND ME IF WE HAVE ANY ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH UTSA'S CONSTRUCTION OR ARCHITECTURE DEPARTMENT TO, TO MAYBE DRIVE DOWN COST OF THESE PROJECTS? I'M NOT AWARE THAT WE HAVE ANY ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO THEM.

OKAY, GREAT.

COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN VERAN.

COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

AND I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

I LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING, UH, WITH THIS, UH, AT COUNCIL.

DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE IT FORWARD? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE FULL COUNCIL FOR NOVEMBER 18TH.

UH, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE REHAB PROGRAM.

ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO WORK WITH U T S A OR, OR ANY OTHER OF THE UNIVERSITIES OR COLLEGES THAT ARE DOING CONSTRUCTION.

I, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THAT, AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, INCREASING THIS.

UM, I KNOW THAT AS WE, WE HAVE A SHORTAGE IN HOUSING, UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, UH, FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS GET THAT FUNDING AND WHAT, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM GET INTO THESE, THESE HOMES, I IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MY, UM, THEO MEADOWS AND ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS COMING UP IN DISTRICT THREE.

IS THERE A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO FULL COUNSEL? I'LL SECOND IT.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, COUNCILMAN RAVO, GO AHEAD.

I, I HAVE QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO PRESERVING HOUSING, AND I SAW THAT, UM, IN A HOME REPAIR CATEGORY, YOU WERE SUGGEST YOUR, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO UP TO $130,000 FOR HOME REPAIRS.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING THAT JUMPS INTO MY MIND IS, WELL, YOU KNOW, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY CAN BUILD A BRAND NEW HOUSE FOR $95,000.

RIGHT? AT THE SAME TIME, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK.

AND I THINK TO BACK TO PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN, UM, BY PUBLIC WORKS, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THEY TRY TO, UM, IMPROVE ROADS, AND SO THERE'S SOMETIMES THEY'RE GONNA GO AND THEY'RE GONNA SPEND A LITTLE BIT JUST SEALING THE CRACKS.

SOMETIMES THEY'RE GONNA DO A COMPLETE OVERLAY OF THE ROAD MM-HMM.

, SOMETIMES THEY'RE GONNA TEAR UP THE ROAD AND REBUILD AN ENTIRELY NEW ROAD.

AND I'M WONDERING, LIKE, WHERE DO WE FALL IN THAT? BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THAT ONCE SOMEBODY'S ROOF HAS PROBLEMS, THEN IT CAN LEAD TO A LOT OF THE HOUSE GOING INTO DISREPAIR.

AND I'M THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROBABLY REPAIR 20 ROOFS, COMPLETELY REDO 20 ROOFS FOR $130,000.

UM, AND SO HOW MUCH ARE WE DOING INTO, ARE WE PUTTING INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF THE CRACK SEALS AND, YOU KNOW, PREVENTING HOUSES FROM GOING INTO DISREPAIR? WELL, JUST, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH SMALLER SPENDS SURE.

AS OPPOSED TO A FULL $130,000 REMODEL.

GOT, UM, HVAC, THEY HAD NO CENTRAL HVACS.

SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF OUR DIFFERENT PROGRAM JUST FOR ROOF REPAIR, SO IF THAT'S ALL THE HOME NEEDS, WE HAVE UNDER ONE ROOF.

AND THIS YEAR OUR GOAL IS 450 ROOFS.

SO WE DO HAVE ABOUT $5 MILLION THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THIS HUD PROGRAM, UM, TO DO JUST ROOFS ON HOMES.

AND THAT COULD BE REPAIRING A HOME, AND THAT'S TO HELP MAKE IT MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.

SO ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS GO THROUGH THAT PROGRAM FOR, UH, THE POLICY ROUTE UPDATES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TODAY, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THE OWNER OCCUPIED REHAB PROGRAM, WHICH HAS A GOAL THIS YEAR OF DOING 80 PROJECTS.

AND THEN THE MINOR REPAIR PRO PROGRAM, IT'S A SEPARATE PROGRAM.

WE HAVE A GOAL OF DOING 175 PROJECTS.

SO SOME HOMES TO PRESERVE THEM, JUST NEED SOME WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, MINOR THINGS TO THEM.

UM, FOR OUR OWNER OCCUPIED REHAB RECONSTRUCTION PRO, WHICH IS THE 80 HOME GOAL THIS YEAR, THAT IS THE ONE PROGRAM THAT THIS SPEAKS TO.

AND THOSE ARE HOMES THAT NEED MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE EFFORT FOR THE HOME.

YOU SEE IN THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, THAT IS IN DISTRICT THREE IN COUNCILMAN VIA GRAND'S DISTRICT, AND WE SPENT ABOUT $120,000 TO MAKE REPAIRS TO THAT HOME.

IT NEEDED NEW ELECTRICAL PLUMBING, COMPLETELY INSULATED A BRAND NEW KITCHEN.

THEY GOT A RESTROOM, THEY

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WE HAD TO INSTALL ALL THAT THERE.

THEY DID GET A NEW ROOF.

THAT WHOLE FRONT PORCH IS BRAND NEW, SO SOMETIMES HOMES NEED TO PRESERVE THEM.

AND THAT HOME WAS BUILT IN 1920.

SO SOME OF OUR HOMES ARE HISTORIC.

THEY DO REQUIRE QUITE A BIT UNDER THE REHAB PROGRAM.

AND FOR HOMES THAT ARE JUST TOO FAR GONE, THEN WE DO ACTUALLY DO A WHOLE RECONSTRUCTION.

SO IT'S, IT'S A BALANCE.

BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER PROGRAMS OUTSIDE OF THIS ONE THAT DO MORE SIMPLER MINOR REPAIRS OR JUST ROOFS LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

I, I GET THAT IT'S A BALANCE.

I, I GET THAT WE HAVE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE IN, WHERE WE'RE INVESTING MORE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME WAY IN WHICH WE'RE BEING STRATEGIC ABOUT WHERE WE INVEST? AND THAT REALLY COMES FROM COUNCIL THAT COMES THROUGH THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.

THIS COUNCIL FOUGHT HARD TO GET MORE MONEY IN MINOR REPAIR AND UNDER ONE ROOF PROGRAMS DURING THIS PAST BUDGET SEASON.

AND SO WE REALLY HEAR FROM YOU ALL.

AND THEN IT'S AN APPLICATION PROCESS.

SO, SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE PICKING, IT'S PEOPLE ARE APPLYING FOR THESE PROJECTS, OR WE HEAR FROM OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THEY HAVE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE LIVING IN SUBPAR LIVING CONDITIONS.

WE WORK WITH THEM TO APPLY FOR THE PROGRAM.

I WANT TO, UM, ADDRESS IN THE USE SET ABOUT IT COST 95,000 TO DO A HABITAT HOME.

WE'RE DOING 130,000.

THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT PRESERVING THE HOME FOR THE FAMILY, IT'S ABOUT PRESERVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF WE DO NOT SPEND THAT ONE 30 ON THAT HOME, AND WE PUT THEM, LET'S SAY WE PUT THEM IN A BRAND NEW HOME, SOMEONE HAS TO SPEND ONE 30 ON THAT HOME.

AND IF IT'S NOT THE FAMILY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, IT'S GONNA BE A PRIVATE SECTOR, PRIVATE DEVELOPER, A NEW FAMILY.

AND THAT COULD COMPROMISE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE, WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT PRESERVING NEIGHBORHOODS, PROTECTING FROM GENTRIFICATION.

THIS IS A TOOL WE HAVE TO HELP WITH THAT.

THANK YOU, LORI.

POINTS TO ANY PROJECT THAT WAS IN A HISTORICALLY REDLINED AREA.

UH, SO THERE'S A MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO COUNCIL, FULL COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.

AND THERE'S A SECOND.

LET'S TAKE A VOTE.

A VOTE.

EVERYONE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THANK YOU, VERONICA, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANK

[4. Briefing and possible action on the FY 2022 Community Housing Development Organization Funding. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services] ]

YOU.

WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS EVERYTHING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2022, COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION FUNDING.

AND THIS, UH, IS ALSO BY VERONICA.

SO THIS ITEM AS, UH, COUNCILMAN ROCHA GARCIA MENTIONED IS TO RECOMMEND FUNDING FOR OUR CHODO PARTNERS.

AND I WILL TAKE THIS MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE MANY THAT ARE IN THE ROOM TODAY.

SO WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, NATALIE GRIFFITH, OR, UH, PRESIDENT, C E O, AS WELL AS MICHAEL TAYLOR.

AND WE DO HAVE YOU HEARD EARLIER FROM BRAD, FROM PROPHETS.

SO WE DO HAVE MANY OF OUR PARTNERS, UM, IN THE ROOM TODAY THAT THIS FUNDING WILL IMPACT.

UH, OUR CITY THIS YEAR MADE AVAILABLE $275,000 WITH OUR 2022 ACTION PLAN, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS THIS PAST AUGUST.

OUR NON-PROFIT CHODO PARTNERS ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS WE'VE MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, OUR CITY STAFF DO NOT BUILD AFFORDABLE HOMES.

WE RELY ON ALL OF OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS TO ACTUALLY DELIVER THOSE AFFORDABLE HOMES TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THIS ITEM DOES HELP US PROVIDE FUNDING TO THEM.

IT HELPS US GROW THEIR CAPACITY AND HELPS THEM DO THE WORK THAT THEY DO, WHICH IMPACTS EVERYTHING THAT WE DO WITH THESE FUNDS.

THEY CAN USE THEM FOR OPERATING DOLLARS AND THE EXPECT, THE ONLY EXPECTATION IS THAT THEY'LL BE USED WITHIN 24 MONTHS OF AWARD.

SO THESE DOLLARS CAN BE USED TO HELP WITH SALARIES, TO HELP WITH TRAINING PROGRAMS, RENT MATERIALS, ANYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO HELP THEIR NONPROFIT, UH, FUNCTION.

THE TIMELINE FOR THIS FUNDING, WE RELEASED AN R F P BACK IN AUGUST, AND THE PROPOSALS WERE OUT FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS.

OUR EVALUATION COMMITTEE MET ON IN OCTOBER AND ASSESSED EACH PROPOSAL BASED ON EXPERIENCE CAPACITY, AND THEIR ABILITY TO DELIVER AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE DID RECEIVE FOUR APPLICATION WITH FUNDING REQUESTS, TOLLING OVER $371,000.

AND IF APPROVED TODAY, THEN WE WILL GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 2ND TO AWARD THESE FUNDS TO THE NONPROFITS.

THE COMMITTEE REVIEWED, UH, TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, WHICH EACH HAD SUBCATEGORIES.

SO NONPROFITS WERE RANKED BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE, WHICH WAS UP TO 50 POINTS, AND THEIR PROPOSED PLAN, WHICH WAS ALSO UP TO 50 POINTS.

WE DID TAKE EQUITY INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN EVALUATING THE PROPOSALS, AND WE LOOKED AT UTILIZE THE CITY'S EQUITY ATLAS MATRIX, AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF EACH IDENTIFIED PROJECT.

SO IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED FOR FUNDING, EACH NONPROFIT HAD TO STATE WHICH, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THEY WERE WORKING ON, OR WOULD BE WORKING ON SHOULD THEY RECEIVE THE FUNDING.

SO WE LOOKED AT WHERE THOSE PROJECTS WERE PROPOSED.

FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, WE CONSIDER, WE PROVIDED PRIORITY

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AND FOR OUR MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS, WE PROVIDED PRIORITY POINTS TO ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS INCLUDING UNITS AT 30% OF THE AREA MEETING INCOME OR BELOW THE, UH, FOUR ENTITIES THAT APPLIED WERE HERE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE LIST TODAY.

HABITAT FOR HUMANITY NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES OF SAN ANTONIO ARE CASA'S RESIDENT COUNCIL AND PROSPERA.

EACH OF THESE ENTITIES THAT APPLIED ARE RECOMMENDED FOR SOME LEVEL OF FUNDING.

PROSPERA RANKED THE HIGHEST, SO THEY ARE RECOMMENDED FOR THEIR FULL AWARD.

AND THE OTHER THREE ENTITIES TIED FOR SECOND PLACE.

THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING FUNDING FOR HABITAT IN THE AMOUNT OF $85,000 NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES FOR $66,000.

AND OUR COSTS, US RESIDENT COUNCIL FOR 50,000.

AND AGAIN, PROSPER IS RECOMMENDED FOR THEIR FULL 74,000.

FOR MOST OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THIS FUNDING IS AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN WHAT THEY WOULD'VE RECEIVED LAST YEAR.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

AND I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE, UM, SHARED THESE PROPOSED FUNDING AMOUNTS WITH EACH OF THE NONPROFITS, AND THERE IS A BLACKOUT PERIOD, SO THEY'RE NOT ALL ABLE TO COME TODAY AND, AND THANK YOU IN PERSON.

BUT I WILL PASS ON THEIR, THEIR SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR THE ANNUAL FUNDING THAT OUR CITY PROVIDES THEM, AND IT DOES HELP THEM DELIVER THE WORK THAT THEY NEED TO DO.

UM, VERONICA.

AND SO HOW MANY TOTAL DID YOU MENTION APPLIED? AND YOU MENTIONED TWO TIDE.

IT'S, UH, FOUR.

ALL FOUR OF THEM APPLIED AND, UH, THE PROSPERA RANKED THE HIGHEST.

AND HABITAT NEIGHBORHOOD, HOUSING AND CUSAS ALL TIED FOR A SECOND.

AND I, I HAVE THE CHART HERE.

UM, WHAT ARE THE A M I LEVELS FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS? SURE.

FOR HABITAT, THEY SERVE HOMEOWNERS AT 80% OF THE AREA INCOME OR BELOW.

UM, YOU MET MICHAEL TAYLOR.

HE IS, UH, AFFILIATED WITH THEIR OTHER ENTITY, WHICH IS CROSS TIMBERS.

THEY SERVE HOMEOWNERS, UM, FROM 70 TO 110% A M I.

NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES SERVES POPULATIONS AT 120% A M I OR BELOW.

UM, THEY HAVE LOWERED THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE BASED ON THE FUNDING.

SO SOMETIMES WE CAN PROVIDE GAP FUNDING OR ADDITIONAL FUNDS, AND THEN THEY WILL TARGET FAMILIES AT A LOWER A M I, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT.

OUR CASAS ALSO SERVES FAMILIES AT 80% A M I.

THEY BUILD INFILL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND PROSPERA WAS OUR ONE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY PARTNER THAT APPLIED.

AND THEY SERVE THOSE AT 80% OF THE AREA, MEDIUM BELOW.

BUT THEY DO ALSO FOCUS ON INCLUDING FAMILIES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 30% WHEN IT'S POSSIBLE.

GOT IT.

AND, UM, ARE THESE PROJECTS ALREADY MEETING RECOMMENDATIONS PRESENTED BY THE SHIP? UH, YES.

YES, THEY ARE.

THEY DID A PROSPEROUS PROJECT, INCLUDED SOME FAMILIES AT 30%, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, GREATLY NEEDED BY THE SHIP.

HABITAT WORKS WITH FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS.

UH, THEY ARE SERVING SOME OF THE HIGHEST NEED HOMEOWNERS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THE OTHER TWO ENTITIES ALSO DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY'RE MEETING HELPING US PRESERVE AND, AND PRODUCE NEW AFFORDABLE UNITS, WHICH IS ONLINE WITH THE SHIP.

AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS, WHAT ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS DO WE HAVE IN SCORING THESE PROJECTS THAT'S NOT ALREADY INCLUDED IN HUD REQUIREMENTS? OH, THAT'S NOT IN HUD REQUIREMENTS.

WELL, HUD DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO LOOK AT, UH, TO RATE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT OR TAKE INTO CONSIDER EQUITY.

SO THAT WAS OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, LOOKING AT THAT.

I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN VRAN FIRST.

GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN.

I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THESE APPLICANTS AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE WORK THAT THEY DO.

THEY'VE DONE SOME GREAT WORK IN, IN, UM, DISTRICT THREE.

SO I, I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE FULL COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 18TH.

THERE'S MOTIONS THERE.

A SECOND.

SECOND.

COURAGE.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM MY COLLEAGUES? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

I'M PLEASED TO SEE OUR CASAS ON THE LIST.

THEY HAVE A GREAT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS IN ENGAGING THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS OF THEIR PROPOSED PROJECT.

UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS, CAN ARPA DOLLARS BE USED TO ADDRESS THE SHORTFALL, UH, THAT MANY OF THESE NONPROFITS ARE SEEING? THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK INTO, BUT ARPA DOLLARS ARE TYPICALLY USED TO IMPACT THOSE THAT ARE ADDRESSED BY COVID RELATED ISSUES.

AND SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT PAST TO SEE IF, IF THERE WERE LOSSES OR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SUPPLEMENT.

SO WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS IT BEFORE NEXT WEEK.

LIKE FOR THE INSTANCE, IF THEIR, UM, TIMELINE HAS BEEN IMPACTED DUE TO COVID COST OR CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.

SEEING THAT THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UM, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? LOOKS LIKE MOTION CARRIES TO MOVE THIS ONTO NOVEMBER 18TH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, VERONICA.

THANK

[5. Briefing and possible action on the SA Tomorrow Sustainability Plan [David McCary, Assistant City Manager; Douglas Melnick, Chief Sustainability Officer] ]

YOU.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, IT'S A BRIEFING ACTION AND IT'S BRIEFING IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON THE ESSAY TOMORROW, SUSTAINABILITY

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PLAN.

AND WE HAVE DOUG MELNICK PRESENTING, UM, THIS MORNING.

DOUG, THE FLOOR IS THERE.

GOOD MORNING.

CARRYING IT FORWARD INTO THE CLIMATE PLAN.

UH, MADAM CHAIR AND, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

UM, I'LL TRY TO BE, UH, BRIEF, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GETTING TO THE LUNCH HOUR, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU A, AN OVERVIEW OF THE SA TOMORROW SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY AND REALLY HOW IT FITS INTO THE CLIMATE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING.

UM, THIS IS THE SECOND OF THREE PRESENTATIONS YOU'LL GET.

TRANSPORTATION WILL BE, WILL BE NEXT.

SO WHAT IS THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, JUST FOR SOME, SOME MORE CONTEXT? WHEN, WHEN I GOT HERE IN 2014, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO WAS FIND OUT, WELL, WHAT'S THE STATE OF SUSTAINABILITY PLANNING? UM, THE CITY'S FIRST TRUE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN WAS MISSION VERDE.

UH, THAT WAS LED BY, UH, MAYOR HARDBERGER.

UM, AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL BACK IN 2009.

BUT IT NEVER REALLY STUCK.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS TOUGH TO FIND.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT DID, IT DID LEAD TO ACTION.

IT DID BRING, UM, A LOT OF INVESTMENTS, UM, PARTICULARLY AROUND, UM, THE PRODUCTION OF SOLAR LOCALLY.

IT WAS REALLY ABOUT DRIVING THE LOCAL RENEWABLE ENERGY ECONOMY.

SO A LOT OF GOOD CAME OUT OF IT, BUT IT REALLY NEEDED TO BE REFRESHED.

AND SO, UM, I, I MET WITH, UH, THE MAYOR THEN, AND DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WHAT WE REALLY NEEDED WAS A CLIMATE PLAN.

THAT'S, THAT WAS THE, THE EMERGING PRACTICE, UM, AROUND THE COUNTRY.

WE WEREN'T QUITE THERE YET.

UM, SO, WHOA, HOW DID I GET OVER, OVER THERE? I'M SORRY, .

UM, THERE WE GO.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DESIGNED THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN TO SORT OF BE LIKE A CLIMATE PLAN LIGHT.

IT WASN'T A CLIMATE PLAN, BUT IT HAD A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS.

OH MY GOSH, .

OKAY, I'M NOT TOUCHING IT.

SO, UM, BASICALLY THIS, THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN, UH, AUGUST 11TH, 2016.

UM, AND IT, IT'S REALLY LOOKING ABOUT THAT GROWTH.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MILLION PEOPLE BY 2040, THERE'S A LOT OF IMPLICATIONS.

MORE CARS, UH, MORE DEMANDS FOR, UH, WATER AND NATURAL RESOURCES.

AND SO THIS PLAN BEGAN LEADING, UH, US DOWN THAT ROAD TO, TO REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE TAKE ACTIONS TO, TO, TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS AS WELL AS TO PREPARE FOR THEM.

SO THESE ARE THE FOCUS AREAS IN THE PLAN.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I HAVE A SLIDE IN A FEW MINUTES THAT TALKS ABOUT THE CLIMATE PLAN, A LOT OF THE SIMILAR CATEGORIES.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS WHEN WE BEGAN WORKING ON OUR CLIMATE WORK, THAT WE WEREN'T, UM, JUST DISCARDING ALL OF ALL OF THIS WORK.

BUT YOU CAN SEE IT WAS FOCUSED ON ENERGY, FOOD SYSTEMS, PUBLIC HEALTH, NATURAL RESOURCES, LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION, SOLID WA WASTE RESOURCES, AND GREEN BUILDINGS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

ONE THING THAT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS PLAN WAS WE, WE REALLY WANTED TO LEVERAGE ALL THE, GOSH, ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, CO-BENEFITS WITH STRATEGIES, JUST 'CAUSE WE HAVE A STRATEGY THAT'S FOCUSING ON BUILDINGS, IT MAY TICK OTHER BOXES.

SO WE IDENTIFIED THESE VARIOUS CROSS-CUTTING THEMES THAT WE ASSESSED ALL OF OUR STRATEGIES.

AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE MIDDLE, YOU'VE GOT EQUITY.

I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE REALLY STARTED TRYING TO FOCUS EQUITY, UH, UH, AN EQUITY CONVERSATION, UM, WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY WAS TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EQUITY ISSUES AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THEM.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THE BOTTOM CHART, BASICALLY, THAT'S FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO I THINK ONE OF THE SUCCESSES WAS, UM, BRIDGET AND, AND HER TEAM, UH, TOOK SOME OF THESE SUSTAINABILITY THEMES AND PRIORITIES AND INTEGRATED IT INTO HER FINAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO I THINK THERE'S A GOOD INTEGRATION THERE.

THE OTHER THING, WHEN I, WHEN I HAD MENTIONED ABOUT BEING AT A CLIMATE PLAN LIGHT, UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DEVELOPED IN THE PLAN A CLIMATE TRENDS IN SAN ANTONIO REPORT, UH, THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY, UM, DR.

CATHERINE HAYHOE.

WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.

UH, AND IT DID SHOW THAT IT WAS GETTING HOTTER, IT WAS GETTING DRIER, AND THAT WE WERE SEEING MORE, UH, MORE SEVERE PRECIPITATION.

WE HAD OUR FIRST GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS.

AND WE CONDUCTED A, UM, UH, A BRIEF CLIMATE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT BASED, BASED UPON THOSE CLIMATE PROJECTIONS.

WHAT ARE THOSE THREATS, UM, TO OUR ORGANIZATION, UH, AND THE COMMUNITY.

SO NOW I'M GONNA SHIFT JUST INTO SA CLIMATE READY, UM, AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE GOT THERE.

SO, BACK IN, UM, YOU CAN SEE IN 2015, THAT WAS THE SIGNING OF THE PARIS CLIMATE AGREEMENT.

UH, YOU CAN SEE SA TOMORROW SUSTAINABILITY PLAN WAS ADOPTED AUGUST 11TH, 2016.

AND LESS THAN A YEAR LATER, UH, COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE PARIS CLIMATE AGREEMENT DIRECTING STAFF TO CREATE A CLIMATE PLAN.

SO WE WERE AT A POINT WHERE, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN? UM, UH, 'CAUSE THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A CLIMATE PLAN.

UH, THE CLIMATE PLAN HAS A LOT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.

SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE INTEGRATED IT.

WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS BY, WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE STRATEGIES AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CAPTURING THAT AND

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AND THIS IS A REALLY SMALL SLIDE.

SO, UM, UM, BUT BASICALLY YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU REMEMBER, THE CLIMATE PLAN HAS TWO COMPONENTS.

IT'S HOW DO WE REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS? AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE IS HOW DO WE PREPARE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR COMMUNITY? BUT YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU REMEMBER, THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN WAS LOOKING AT BUILDINGS AND NATURAL RESOURCES AND TRANSPORTATION, THOSE OF ALL CARRIED FORWARD, UH, INTO THE CLIMATE PLAN.

I THINK WHAT THE CLIMATE PLAN BRINGS IS A VERY CLEAR METRIC AROUND GREENHOUSE GASES THAT WE TRACK.

UH, AND IT HAS VERY SPECIFIC TARGET REDUCTIONS, WHICH THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN DIDN'T HAVE.

THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN HAD A GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY, BUT IT DIDN'T SAY, WELL, WHAT IS OUR TARGET TO REDUCE IT? THAT'S WHERE THE CLIMATE PLAN, UM, PICKS UP.

UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT WE, UM, WORKED WITH A PROFESSOR FROM U T S A TO DO SOME ACTUAL DOWNSCALE CLIMATE PROJECTIONS FOR SAN ANTONIO, WHICH ARE CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE NATIONAL TRENDS.

UH, WE UPDATED OUR GREENHOUSE GAS INVENTORY, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, UH, THE MUNICIPAL ORGANIZATION.

AND WE ACTUALLY UPDATED OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT OF LOOKING AT CLIMATE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I, I SEE THIS AS A GROWTH, UM, AN OUTGROWTH OF THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN AND A CONTINUATION.

UM, HERE'S JUST SOME OF THE CLIMATE PROJECTIONS.

UH, AS, AS I MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE TWO PATHWAYS AND A LOW EMISSIONS, AND A HIGH EMISSIONS PATHWAY.

LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS AROUND GLASGOW, UH, AND THE, UM, UH, COP 26.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TRENDING TOWARD THE HIGH EMISSION SCENARIO.

THAT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, AS A GLOBAL COMMUNITY, REDUCING OUR EMISSIONS FAST ENOUGH? SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S GONNA GET MUCH HOTTER, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA COOL OFF AT NIGHT.

UM, YOU'LL SEE IT GETS DRIER, BUT WHEN WE DO EXPERIENCE EVENTS, THEY'RE MORE SEVERE.

THE ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING IS IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CLIMATE, UM, VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, NOBODY TALKS ABOUT COLD.

UH, THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS NOT ON ANYONE'S RADAR.

UM, BUT THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WITH CLIMATE IS WE DON'T KNOW, UM, UH, NECESSARILY WHAT COULD BE NEXT.

AND SO NOW WE DO KNOW THAT CLIMATE IS DISRUPTING JET STREAMS, AND SO THAT, THAT IS A THREAT.

SO I THINK CONTINUING TO EVALUATE SCIENCE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE RESPONDING TO WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE.

UM, I JUST WANNA TALK REALLY BRIEFLY ABOUT CLIMATE EQUITY.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE KEY.

UM, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, WE KNOW THOSE WHO, WHO ARE ON THE FRONTLINE, THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO BE, UH, EXPERIENCING THE MOST IMPACTS, UH, REALLY CONTRIBUTE THE LEAST TO THOSE IMPACTS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA GET THOSE IMPACTS THE HARDEST.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LOTS OF RISK FACTORS, PUBLIC HEALTH IMPACTS, UM, IMPACTS ON, UH, UTILITY COSTS.

UM, IMPACTS NOT HAVING THE, THE PROPER, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IN THEIR COMMUNITY ACCESS TO FOOD ARE ISSUES.

ALL OF THAT WILL BE EXASPERATED DUE TO, DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, UH, LOW INCOME POPULATIONS, SENIORS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, UM, ARE PART OF THOSE, UM, OR, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING TO AND, AND RESPONDING TO.

AND THEN HERE'S JUST SOME, UH, BASIC ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT.

UH, SOME G I S MAPPING, SHOWING OUR MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS ON THE, THE BOTTOM LEFT, BASED UPON A, UH, A SOCIAL VULNERABILITY INDEX.

YOU OVERLAY THE, THE HOTTEST PART AS PARTS OF THE CITY REGARDING URBAN HEAT ISLAND.

AND THEN THE AREAS WITH THE LOWEST TREE CANOPY, THEY ALL OVERLAP.

AND SO THIS DATA, UM, NEEDS TO DRIVE OUR ACTION.

UM, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO MAKE INVESTMENTS ENSURE AND TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE, UH, IMPROVING THE ADAPTIVE CAPACITY, UH, IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, THE OTHER THING THAT THE TOOL THAT THE, UH, CLIMATE PLAN HAS IS A, IT'S A, IT'S A SCREENING TOOL.

UH, AND, AND BASICALLY THE INTENT IS BEFORE WE BRING ANY POLICY OR PLAN OR PROJECT TO, TO THE COMMUNITY OR TO THE COUNCIL, WE NEED TO ASK KEY QUESTIONS.

UM, THIS TOOL IS BEING COMPLETELY REVAMPED.

UH, IT IS WAY TOO LONG, .

IT IS, IT IS, IT IS NOT USABLE.

UM, SO WE HAVE A, UM, UH, AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, THAT HAS A, UH, CLIMATE EQUITY EYES ADVISORY COMMITTEE CREATED A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S JUST TACKLING THIS AND, UH, LOOKING AT ALL THE BEST PRACTICES.

AND WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, I, I PUT A NOTE OUT TO OUR, UM, NORTH AMERICAN NETWORK OF, OF PEER CITIES THAT WE WORK WITH SAYING, IS ANYBODY WORKING ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS? SO THERE'S ABOUT 10 CITIES WE JUST STARTED TALKING, AND EVERYONE'S IN THE SAME BOAT.

I THINK EVERYONE LOOKS AT, OKAY, PORTLAND, OREGON DID THIS.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SEATTLE DID A LITTLE BIT OF THIS, BUT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY DO THIS? AND SO I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LEARN FROM EACH OTHER, AND THIS IS GONNA BE KEY.

'CAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE STARTING TO WORK ON, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ASKING THE QUESTIONS.

THE OTHER KEY THING WITH THIS IS, IT'S NOT, IN MY OPINION, AND, AND IN TALKING TO OUR SUBCOMMITTEE, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE CITY ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ASKING THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS FOR US AND PROVIDE US THE FEEDBACK, BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON POTENTIAL IMPACTS THAN, UH, PARTICULAR COMMUNITY MEMBERS MIGHT.

UM,

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AND THEN SOME OTHER EQUITY WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING.

YOU, YOU MAY ALL REMEMBER ABOUT A YEAR, WAS IT A YEAR AGO, UM, UH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A, UH, A CONTRACT WITH TEXAS CREATIVE, UM, TO BEGIN DEVELOPING A COMMUNICATIONS PROGRAM AROUND CLIMATE CHANGE.

AND THIS WHOLE YEAR HAS BASICALLY BEEN DOING OUTREACH.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, COUNCIL APPROVED WAS A, A SET ASIDE, UH, UH, STARTING WITH THE 20%, UM, UH, COMMITMENTS TO FUND, UH, NONPROFIT, UH, GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS TO WORK WITH TEXAS CREATIVE TO ACTUALLY DO ON THE GROUNDS ENGAGEMENT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THEY'RE WORKING WITH DIS DISABILITY SA MARTINEZ STREETS WOMEN'S CENTER, UM, AND THE, UH, YANA, UM, HERBA RATIOS.

UM, AND, UM, THEY ARE ACTUALLY OUT ON, ON THE, THE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE STREET, UM, UH, ASKING QUESTIONS AND GIVING US FEEDBACK.

UH, AND SO THAT'S ALL GONNA BE FOLDED INTO THE COMMUNICATIONS, UM, AND ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY.

YOU'LL ALSO SEE WE HAVE THE HEALTH COLLABORATIVE, UH, LISTED.

WE JUST ENTERED INTO A, A SMALL AGREEMENT WITH THEM A COUPLE MONTHS AGO TO FOCUS ON, UH, ENGAGING WITH HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AROUND CLIMATE.

UH, AND WHAT'S REALLY EXCITING IS TO, UM, THERE WILL BE WORKING TO HELP US IDENTIFY SPECIFIC CLIMATE METRICS, UM, THAT WE SHOULD BE TRACKING FOR SAN ANTONIO.

UM, WHETHER IT'S, UM, DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEALTH OUTCOMES OR FOOD ACCESS.

BUT THAT'S THE ONE THING WE DON'T HAVE.

HOW DO YOU, HOW DO WE MEASURE CLIMATE EQUITY AND HOW DO WE TRACK IT AND KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ADDRESSING IT? AND THEN FINALLY, UM, THIS IS OUR SECOND YEAR OF CONTRACTING WITH, UH, AN ORGANIZATION CALLED ECO RISE THAT ESTABLISHED A, UM, A MAYOR'S USE COUNCIL FOR CLIMATE UH, INITIATIVES.

AND IT'S BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL.

UM, I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT, THIS NEW COHORT, UH, EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT HAS AT LEAST TWO, UM, UH, REPRESENTATIVES.

UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE SMARTEST KIDS THAT, THAT I'VE EVER, EVER MET.

AND THEY ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN ENGAGING ON THIS.

AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA WANT TO DO IS, IS, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONTACTING, UM, COUNCIL OFFICES AND GETTING ENGAGED AND, AND LETTING YOU ALL KNOW, KNOW THEIR THOUGHTS.

AND SO, I JUST WANNA TOUCH REALLY QUICKLY ON IMPLEMENTATION BEFORE WRAPPING UP.

UM, THE CLIMATE PLAN, UH, CALLED FOR THE CREATION OF SOME, UM, UH, IMPLEMENTATION MECHANISMS. YOU'LL SEE THE TECHNICAL COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE CLIMATE EQUITY COMMITTEE.

THOSE ARE THE, THE COMMUNITY EXPERTS, UM, UH, INSTITUTIONS, RESIDENTS, UM, UM, BUSINESS COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

UH, THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT NEED TO, TO BASICALLY HELP PROVIDE US GUIDANCE, UH, AND, AND HELP US PRIORITIZE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

UM, THE CLIMATE EQUITY COMMITTEE'S REALLY FOCUSED ON WHAT DOES EQUITY MEAN WHEN WE START IMPLEMENTING THESE THINGS.

AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT, THERE'S TWO INTERNAL, UM, FACING, UM, UH, TEAMS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED, UH, WITHIN COSA, AN EXECUTIVE TEAM THAT'S FOCUSING ON IMPLEMENTING THE, THE CLIMATE PLAN AS WELL AS A, A SERIES OF DELIVERY TEAMS. AND SO, FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE WORKING ON THIS OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS IS A, UH, RENEWABLE PROCUREMENTS FOR, FOR COSA.

WE HAVE A TEAM SET UP FOR THAT.

SO THE GOAL FOR THESE DELIVERY TEAMS IS TO CREATE AN INTERDEPARTMENTAL COORDINATED PROCESS.

UH, INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO REACH OUT TO EVERY SEPARATE DEPARTMENT INDIVIDUALLY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND SOLAR ON THEIR BUILDINGS, WE'RE DOING IT TOGETHER.

UH, WE'VE ALSO WORKED ON, UH, AS A INTERDEPARTMENTAL TEAM AROUND DEVELOPING A, A NEW GREEN FLEET POLICY THAT WE HOPE TO BE BRINGING TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

SO WE'RE JUST HOPING THAT SYNERGY WILL IMPROVE, UH, EFFICIENCY IN TERMS OF DELIVERING THIS PLAN.

AND HERE FINALLY, IS JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, FOR THIS COMING YEAR.

UH, UH, UM, BOND, YOU KNOW, IS SORT OF OUR, OUR COMMITTEE'S REALLY INTERESTED HOW THE BOND COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, REALLY MAKE SURE WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING ALL THE BENEFIT THAT'S COMING OUT OF IT AS WE IMPROVE MOBILITY OPTIONS, AS WE CREATE PARKS, AS WE CREATE NEW BUILDINGS, MAKING SURE THERE IS GREEN AS POSSIBLE, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY HIGHLIGHTING THE BENEFIT OF THOSE PROJECTS.

UM, WE'RE TAKING A REAL GOOD LOOK AT THE U D C AND BUILDING RELATED CODES.

UH, WHAT IN THERE, UM, ARE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES TO STRENGTHEN, UH, AND, AND REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING THE CLIMATE PLAN FORWARD.

UM, AND THEN, UM, THE LATEST ONE, THE LAST ONE I'LL MENTION ON THE LEFT IS, UM, FEDERAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WITH THIS NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, UH, BILL THAT, THAT PASSED.

THERE'S MONEY IN THERE THAT'S DIRECTLY GOING TO HOPEFULLY BENEFIT US, BENEFIT US, WHETHER IT'S SUPPORTING C P S IN THEIR TRANSITION OR WHETHER IT'S, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT'S GONNA BE A KEY THING THAT WE'RE GONNA, GOING TO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REALLY, UM, AWARE OF.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, JUST SOME, YOU KNOW, CLIMATE EQUITY, UM, PROGRAMS, UM, SUPPORTING O E M AND RESILIENCE HUB WORK OR JUST GENERAL RESILIENCE, UH, IS A, IS A BIG PRIORITY.

I MENTIONED OUR BLACK, UH, INDIGENOUS AND PEOPLE OF COLOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS ON A COOL PAVEMENT PILOT.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE CITIES AT THIS POINT, FE, PHOENIX AND LOS

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ANGELES ARE PROBABLY THE, THE LEADERS IN THIS, WHERE FOR THE PAST COUPLE YEARS THEY'VE BEEN TESTING, UM, COOL PAVEMENT.

IT'S JUST A LIGHT COLORED PAVEMENT.

UH, IT HAS THE SAME ATTRIBUTES AS REGULAR, UM, PAVEMENT, BUT, UH, WHEN DEPLOYED STRATEGICALLY IT CAN REDUCE, UM, UM, SURFACE TEMPERATURES.

AND SO THERE'S SOME PRETTY IMPRESSIVE WORK OUT OF, OUT OF LA.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE PILOTING, UM, ONE SMALL BLOCK, UM, WITH, WITH PUBLIC WORKS OVER THE NEXT, I BELIEVE OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

WE'LL DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF IT, UM, BECAUSE IT MAY HAVE REALLY GOOD IMPLICATIONS IN ADDRESSING, UM, HEAT.

'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF OUR BIG VULNERABILITIES.

AND THEN ENDING ON THE HEAT VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT TOOL.

WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, U T S A TO TAKE BASICALLY SATELLITE DATA AND TO CREATE A MAP BY WHICH WE REALLY CAN GET DOWN TO THE PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD BLOCK LEVEL WHERE YOU CAN START SEEING WHERE, UH, EXTREME HEAT IS THE WORST.

AND SO THE GOAL IS LOOKING AT THAT TOOL, UH, WORKING WITH DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, WHERE DO WE DEPLOY TREES, CANOPIES, COOL PAVEMENTS, HOW DO WE START MITIGATING EXTREME HEAT, PARTICULARLY STARTING AT THOSE AREAS.

UM, YOU ALSO FOCUS FOCUSING ON THE EQUITY ATLAS.

SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS JUST TRYING TO DEVELOP A LOT OF THE TOOLS.

AND NOW THE KEY IS, OKAY, HOW DO WE START DEPLOYING THEM AND START LEVERAGING THE RESOURCES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL STOP, UH, AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, DOUG.

I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY CROSSOVER COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE HAZARD MIS GRADATION PLAN AND PARTS AND REC PUBLIC WORKS? IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS WHERE I JUST WANNA HEAR IT FROM YOU.

THERE, THERE, THERE ABSOLUTELY IS.

I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DEVELOPED OUR VULNERABILITY, UM, STUDY, AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT BEFORE, UM, I, I CAME UP HERE, WE HAD O E M AT THE TABLE.

WE HAD HEALTH, WE HAD PARKS.

SO BASICALLY IT IS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.

UM, I THINK THE KEY IS, UM, HAVING THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE TENDS TO WORK ON THEIR OWN THING.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE ROLE THAT WE, UM, HAVE TO PLAY, UH, MY OFFICE AS A CONVENER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LEVERAGING AND, AND COORDINATING.

BUT YES, I THINK WHEN I THINK WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT, UH, IMPLEMENTING THAT PLAN, YEAH, THAT COORDINATION IS GONNA BE KEY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES.

THANK YOU, DOUG.

UM, ON PAGE EIGHT, YOU HAVE SOME ADAPTATION, UH, ACTIONS TO HELP REDUCE THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

AND, UM, FOUR OF THE ONES WE'VE KIND OF EXPERIENCED LATELY, RIGHT? THE PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEMS, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, THE PROTECTING LOCAL FOOD SECURITY, SO, UM, AND INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCE.

I THINK THAT WE'VE STARTED ADDRESSING SOME OF THEM FASTER, UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN, IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 18 MONTHS OR SO.

BUT, UM, SO, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THAT.

ON SLIDE 11.

YOU SEE, AND THIS IS WHY I AM, I'M, I'M ALWAYS, UH, WORRIED, RIGHT? AND THE REASON THAT WE CAN'T WAIT IS, UH, WE KEEP SEEING THE SAME DISTRICTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, RIGHT? 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE THAT CONTINUE TO BE NOT ONLY THE MOST VULNERABLE, BUT IN THE HOTTEST, AND THEN OF COURSE TREE CANOPY AS WELL.

AND SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THOSE DISTRICTS AND TO CONTINUING THE WORK FOR THAT, UM, ON THE CLIMATE EQUITY SCREENING TOOL.

THANK YOU FOR REACHING OUT TO OTHER, UH, CITIES AND TRYING TO SEE HOW THEY'RE, UM, MEASURING, IF YOU WILL, AND TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, WHEN WILL WE GET THE UPDATE? I KNOW YOU SAID THERE'S AN UPDATE PENDING.

SO OUR, UH, WE SPOKE WITH OUR, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE LEAD.

UH, HE'S PLANNING ON BEING ABLE TO BRIEF OUR, UM, FULL COMMITTEE NEXT MONTH.

UM, AND THE WAY WE'RE SORT OF LOOKING AT IT AND BASED UPON SOME OF THE BEST PRACTICES, MORE THAN LIKELY THE GOAL IS WHAT ARE THE KEY FOUR QUESTIONS? WHAT ARE THE FEW KEY FIVE QUESTIONS? SO I, I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO EITHER BRING TO, TO YOU ALL FOR, FOR REVIEW, BUT, UM, AT THE, AT THE START OF NEXT YEAR.

I ALSO, UM, WANT YOU TO, TO, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT, UM, PRIVATE FOLKS ARE DOING, RIGHT? AND SO I KNOW THAT THE SPURS VISITED CLIMATE PLEDGE ARENA IN SEATTLE.

UM, ALREADY I HAD MENTIONED THAT AS THEY WERE DEVELOPING THEIR HUMAN DEVELOPMENT INSTITUTE, ET CETERA.

I KNOW THEY'VE VISITED OTHER PLACES, SO LET'S TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THEY'VE LEARNED.

AND THEN ALSO JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT AT THE MAYOR'S YOUTH ENGAGEMENT COUNCIL.

UM, THEY HAD GREAT PRESENTATIONS.

I WAS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE PRESENTATION, UH, I THINK IT WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY ARE SOME OF THE MOST IMPRESSIVE KIDS THAT I HAVE EVER MET WITH.

AND SO VERY, VERY SHARP ABOUT, UM, EVERYTHING CLIMATE RELATED.

SO CONGRATULATIONS TO YOUR TEAM FOR CONTINUING TO ENGAGE THEM AND HAVING THEM ENGAGE WITH OUR OFFICES.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE.

COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

BEEN INTO THIS PLAN NOW FOR FOUR YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS ALREADY.

CHAIR.

I GUESS OBSERVATION AS MUCH AS, UH, QUESTIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE

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71 TO, YEAH, I MEAN, 17 TO 2021.

SO YEAH.

AND WE HAD ABOUT 93 OR FOUR STRATEGIES THAT WE CAME OUT WITH SOME OF THEM FOR THE CITY, SOME OF THEM FOR THE COMMUNITY, A LOT OF THEM FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR US TO HAVE SOME KIND OF REPORT ON WHICH STRATEGIES WE HAVE DISCOVERED, SOME KIND OF STEPS TO TAKE, OR SOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE FOUND THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED MM-HMM.

OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY OF TRACKING THE PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING.

YOU MAY COME AND TELL US ABOUT SOMETHING GOOD.

UH, YOU MAY COME AND TELL US ABOUT SOMETHING NEW, SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE US A, A PICTURE OF THESE STRATEGIES THAT ARE PART OF THAT PLAN.

SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE, UH, THAT YOU OR SOMEONE FROM YOUR OFFICE ON FUTURE MEETINGS COME AND SAY, LOOK, THESE ARE THE 96 STRATEGIES.

WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED ON STRATEGY X, Y A B, C, THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND.

THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IS WORTH IMPLEMENTING.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'LL BE NEW STRATEGIES THAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT AS YOU DO THE RESEARCH, AS AS THESE TEAMS WORK TOGETHER.

AND, AND I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO SAY, AND WE WANNA INTRODUCE ANOTHER STRATEGY OR TWO OR THREE THAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT OVER THE YEARS THAT WE THINK WILL HAVE VALUE.

SO I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT.

SOMETHING I, I'M SORRY IF I COULD JUST INTERRUPT.

I'M SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE, SIR.

SURE, GO AHEAD.

UM, THERE, WE DO HAVE, ON OUR, UM, WE DO HAVE A DASHBOARD.

I'LL SEND, SEND YOU THE LINK.

IT'S A, IT'S A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, UM, DASHBOARD FOR SUSTAINABILITY WORK.

AND THERE IS A SECTION THAT HAS A, A STATUS FOR STRATEGY.

SO YOU CAN AT LEAST SEE WHAT'S BEEN INITIATED, WHAT, WHAT HASN'T.

BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS MORE, IT'LL BE MORE DETAILED, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL STATUS FOR THESE STRATEGIES? SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE, WE HAVE AND WE COULD, WE CAN GET TO YOU GUYS, RIGHT? AND YOU KNOW WHAT, EVEN IF YOU HAVE IT ON A DASHBOARD AND YOU CAN COME AND PUT THE DASHBOARD UP ON THE SCREEN AND AND HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS, I THINK THAT HELPS US KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY MAKING PROGRESS.

MM-HMM.

, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD TOO IS, UH, BUSINESS COMMUNITY THAT'S VERY CONCERNED THAT ARE ALL OF THESE STRATEGIES GONNA MEAN THERE'S MORE COST FOR ME TO DO MY BUSINESS.

I'M GONNA HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES.

IT'S GONNA, UH, IMPACT HOW I DELIVER MY SERVICE.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, AND MAYBE REASSURE BUSINESSES THAT IF ANYTHING, THIS IS GOING TO HELP YOU BECAUSE IT HELPS THE CITY AND IT PROVIDES A BETTER QUALITY FOR WHAT EVERYBODY'S DOING.

SO ANYWAY, THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE OF.

UH, AND ONE OTHER THING YOU HAD, UM, ON SLIDE 13, THE MAYOR'S YOUTH ENGAGEMENT COUNCIL MM-HMM.

NOW I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS A YOUTH COUNCIL.

HAVE WE TAKEN ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE AND PUT THEM INTO THIS? THIS IS, THIS IS A SEPARATE, UM, UM, COUNCIL, UH, JUST FOCUSED SPECIFICALLY ON, ON CLIMATE.

IT'S FUNDED BY THE HOLMAN PRICE FOUNDATION.

IT'S A, IT'S A LOCAL FOUNDATION.

UM, AND, UM, THEY'VE CONTRACTED WITH, WITH ECO RISE.

THEY'RE A INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION IN, IN, IN AUSTIN TO JUST MANAGE THIS GROUP THAT THEY, THEY F IT'S, THEY FOCUS ON CLIMATE.

UH, AND, UM, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS NOW THERE'S OTHER OF THESE PO YOU KNOW, AUSTIN WAS INTERESTED.

SO I THINK IT WAS DEFINITELY, WE HAD A JUMPSTART ON THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING A GROWING MOVEMENT OF YOUTH ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO WANT TO, TO WEIGH IN.

WELL, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU, BUT I DON'T RECALL APPOINTING ANYBODY TO THAT COMMITTEE FROM MY DISTRICT.

IT'S, NO, IT'S NOT.

UH, COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UM, APPOINTMENTS, UH, EQUALIZE MANAGERS.

UH, WHAT WE DO IS WE DO WORK THROUGH, UM, YOUR OFFICES HOPE, HOPING TO GET THE WORD OUT.

UM, UH, BUT THERE WASN'T A FORMAL APPOINTMENT PROCESS.

BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN FOLLOW UP AFTER AND, AND LOVE FOR YOU TO GET IN TOUCH WITH.

WELL, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WERE LIKE TWO MEMBERS FROM EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT, SO THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT.

ARE THERE ACTUALLY TWO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN MY DISTRICT WHO ARE ON THIS? YEAH.

I'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP AFTER, I'LL SURE.

KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

COURAGE.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, DOUG, IF YOU HAVE THE RECORDED PRESENTATIONS, UH, FROM EARLIER OF WHAT THE, THE STUDENTS PRESENTED, BUT AS AN EDUCATOR, I THINK COUNCIL MC COURAGE WOULD BE SO IMPRESSED ONCE WE FIND OUT WHO HIS FOLKS ARE.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, THE PRESENTATION, LIKE I SAID, I, I JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT THAT THEY WERE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, SO, WONDERFUL.

COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

UM, I'M REALLY INTERESTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE COOL PAVEMENT PILOT, SO IF YOU COULD SET UP A BRIEFING WITH THAT.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND IF Y'ALL HAVE EXPLORED ANY ALTERNATIVES FOR GREEN DRAINAGE, UM, I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

UM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO, TO GO BACK TO THE POINT ABOUT PARKING THAT I MADE EARLIER AND HOW THAT OVERLAPS WITH ENVIRONMENTALISM AS WELL.

RIGHT? NOT ONLY CAN YOU BUY DOWN AFFORDABILITY WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE LESS

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CARS ON THE ROAD.

UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO, TO PARKING AND DEVELOPMENT.

UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, I HAD A QUESTION AND A CONCERN.

I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A CONCERN.

UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE, THE MAP WITH THE, THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, UM, WHAT I'M SEEING IN MY DISTRICT WITH NEWER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE TREES, UM, A LOT OF THOSE TREES ARE GOING, SO IS THERE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE U D C AMENDMENT TO ONE, INCREASE THE COST OF REMOVING A PECAN TREE, OR, YOU KNOW, WAIVING THE FEE IF THE DEVELOPER INTENDS TO KEEP THE TREE? UH, IS THAT A CONVERSATION THAT'S TAKEN PLACE? UM, THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT I THINK WE COULD, WE CAN SORT OF FACILITATE A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH D S D TO FIND OUT WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE.

OKAY, GREAT.

YES, THANK YOU.

'CAUSE IT'S MY DISTRICT'S IN RED AND, UM, I WANNA ENSURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THOSE TREES IF WE CAN.

THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY, UH, COUNCILMAN IS WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UM, NEED FOR TREES AND THE INNER CITY, AND, AND I THINK IT REALLY, A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO SORT OF THOSE STREET, THOSE STREET TREES, AND THEN HOW DO WE FACILITATE INCREASED STREET TREES, THE COST, THE MAINTENANCE, UM, BUT IT'S, WE DEFINITELY CAN HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ON THAT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, DOUG.

WHEN YOU SAID YOU, THERE'S A DASHBOARD WHERE YOU CAN SEE ALL THE, THE UPDATES AND PROGRESS.

IS THAT, UM, IS THAT FOR THE SAN ANTONIO SA TOMORROW SUSTAINABILITY PLAN OR FOR THE SA CLIMATE READY? IT'S FOR, IT'S FOR SA CLIMATE READY.

IT'S, UH, IT'S SA SUSTAINABILITY.COM.

AGAIN, IF YOU REMEMBER, THESE ARE ONLY PILOTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR A COUPLE YEARS, SO THAT'S WHY WE JUST WANNA GET ONE UNDER OUR BELT AND SEE HOW IT MAINTAIN, HOW IT PERFORMS. SOUNDS GREAT.

SO I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO GET AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS SAY, TOMORROW SUSTAINABILITY PLAN.

AND, AND THE REASON SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT IS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE FOLLOW THROUGH, UM, ON, UM, PROCESSES THAT WERE DEVELOPED WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS ON ONE OF THE WORKING GROUPS FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, FOR THE CURRENT CLIMATE PLAN THAT WE HAVE, UH, SOME PEOPLE WERE NOT SURE THAT THEY WANTED TO PARTICIPATE AND TOLD ME, WELL, YOU KNOW, I WAS HERE AND I HELPED DEVELOP THE MISSION VERDE PLAN.

AND THEN I CAME HERE AND I WAS IN DIFFERENT, UH, WORKING GROUPS TO HELP DEVELOP THE SA TOMORROW PLAN.

NOW YOU'RE ASKING ME TO COME AND BE HERE FOR THE SA CLIMATE READY PLAN.

AND, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH THOSE PREVIOUS PLANS.

DID THEY JUST END UP ON A SHELF SOMEWHERE? AND SO I THINK IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO ENGAGE IN THE FUTURE, UM, IN PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THEIR PREVIOUS ENGAGEMENT AND WHAT THE RESULTS OF THAT WERE.

UM, I'M, UH, THAT COOL PAVEMENT CAUGHT, UM, MY ATTENTION, I THINK, UH, AND THAT OF OTHERS IN THE ROOM, AND I'M JUST, I GUESS I'M INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT IT.

WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO IMPLEMENT IT ON CURRENT PROJECTS THAT ARE UPCOMING, LIKE, UH, FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, NORTH ST.

MARY'S STRIP, UM, UH, BROADWAY.

ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT? WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THE ADDITIONAL COST BE? ARE THERE CONTRACT? IS IT A SPECIAL SKILL OR CAN ANY CONTRACTOR APPLY YOU JUST, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING A DIFFERENT MATERIAL.

AND THEN HOW, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE, HOW MUCH COOLER DOES IT MAKE? THE, THE AREA IN? YEAH, WE CAN SET, WE CAN SET UP A SEPARATE BRIEFING, UM, WITH SOUNDS GOOD AND BRING PUBLIC WORKS IN.

BUT BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S STILL, UM, RELATIVELY, IT'S STILL RELATIVELY A NEW, UM, EMERGING, UM, PRACTICE.

AS I'D MENTIONED, PHOENIX AND AND LA HAVE REALLY BEEN THE LEADERS.

THEY'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON, UM, SMALLER RESIDENTIAL STREETS, UM, UH, UH, AS OPPOSED TO LARGER, UH, THOROUGHFARES.

UM, IT'S COST COMPARABLE.

IT MIGHT BE A SLIGHT, YOU SLIGHTLY, UM, MORE EXPENSIVE.

BUT SOME OF THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM OTHER CITIES, IT ACTUALLY HELPS WITH LONGEVITY THOUGH, BECAUSE WE, IT'S, IT'S A COOLER PAVEMENT.

YOU GET LESS OF THE CRACKS.

UM, AND, UM, NO, NO STORMWATER ISSUES.

NO, THERE'S NO CHEMICALS IN IT.

IT'S JUST A LIGHTER COVERED, UM, LIGHTER COLORED, UM, MATERIAL.

AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY SPECIAL SKILLS.

IT'S, IT'S JUST, UM, BUT YEAH.

WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP AND, AND WE CAN, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT.

THE OTHER, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, UM, DOES IT MAINTAIN THAT REFLECTIVITY OR THE COOLNESS, RIGHT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A COMMERCIAL ROOF, A FLAT WHITE ROOF, YOU, YOU OFTEN HAVE TO GO AND CLEAN THOSE ROOFS IF, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DIRT AND DEBRIS AND DUST ARE GONNA SETTLE ON THERE AND THEN IT'S GONNA LOSE ITS REFLECTIVITY OVER TIME.

AND SO WHEN CARS DRIVE OVER AND LEAVE RESIDUE FROM THE TIRES AND DIRT AND EVERYTHING, IS IT, IS IT GONNA LOSE ITS REFLECTIVITY? DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON A, A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOPE AND WILL IT SELF WASH WHEN IT RAINS, OR THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH ALL THESE OTHER CITIES? SURE.

UM, I THINK IT, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME GET, YOU KNOW, DISCOLORED.

UM, BUT, UH, THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S REFLECTIVITY DOES REMAIN.

BUT

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THANKS.

THANK YOU, DOUG.

AND JUST TO, TO ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION, I'D, I'D LOVE TO ALSO HAVE A BRIEFING ON THAT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ABOUT A 15% EXTRA COST ON, ON THAT, HOWEVER, UM, I THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY 'CAUSE WE HAVE ONE U D C AMENDMENTS COMING UP AND TWO BOND, RIGHT? AND SO TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S POTENTIAL AREAS THAT WE CAN, UM, WORK THIS INTO THE BOND AND, AND MAYBE USE THOSE AS PILOT AREAS.

SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.