Nov 15, 2021 Planning and Community Development Committee

THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, AND GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

SO, AGAIN, I'M MIKE SHANNON, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR WITH THE CITY.

AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE OUR, UH, NOISE CODE IN RESPONSE TO A C C R, UH, FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

SO LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS RIGHT.

AND OUR TOOLS TO ENFORCE.

SO, UH, AS MENTIONED, THERE WAS A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST, UM, ACTUALLY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.

IT DOESN'T NORMALLY TAKE THIS LONG, UH, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT WAS PAUSED DUE TO THE PANDEMIC, BUT COUNCILMAN, UH, COURAGE DISTRICT NINE, UH, THERE WAS A FEW, UM, UH, ISSUES THAT WERE HAPPENING.

A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN THE CITY.

UH, BUT WHEN CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING RIGHT NEXT TO EXISTING RESIDENCES, WE WERE SEEING, UH, SOME COM.

UH, SOME COMPLAINTS COME IN WAS REALLY SOME AFTER HOURS, UH, VERY LATE, A VERY EARLY CONSTRUCTION WAS CAUSING SOME DISRUPTION WITH SOME EXISTING, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, HAD ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT MAYBE AMENDING THE NOISE CODE.

'CAUSE OUR CURRENT NOISE CODE, UH, HAS SOME RULES IN IT.

UH, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO, UH, ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENCES, EXISTING RESIDENCES NEXT TO CONSTRUCTION SITES, UH, WITHIN 300 FEET OF A INHABITED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITHIN A FOOTBALL FIELD, IF YOU WILL, UH, OF THAT.

AND, UH, MAYBE REDUCING, UH, SOME CONSTRUCTION TIMES IN THOSE AREAS.

SO WE, UH, STARTED A PROCESS, UH, BACK TWO YEARS AGO.

NOW, UH, BEFORE I GO TOO, TOO MUCH FURTHER WITH THIS ONE, JUST A REMINDER, THERE IS ANOTHER C C R THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

SO, UH, A LITTLE BIT EARLIER AGO THIS YEAR, THERE WAS A A C C R FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE RELATED, MORE RELATED TO ISSUES OF OUTSIDE VENUES, MAYBE SOME BARS, RESTAURANTS, UH, MAYBE SOME HOUSE PARTIES, UH, NEXT TO EACH OTHER, UH, ADDRESSING RESIDENCE.

SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT AS WELL.

BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE ITEM, UM, BECAUSE WE THINK WE HAVE, UH, A GOOD CONSENSUS ON THIS FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WERE INVOLVED.

WE'RE BRINGING THIS TODAY.

WE THINK THIS IS READY.

THE OTHER ONE, UH, WILL LIKELY GO ON FOR SEVERAL MORE MONTHS.

UH, WE'LL PROBABLY BRING YOU SOMETHING BACK IN THE APRIL MAY TIMEFRAME.

SO, UH, THAT'S A SEPARATE ITEM, UH, IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING, OH, ALRIGHT, SO LET'S JUST LOOK AT OUR CURRENT NOISE CODE.

SO WE HAVE A NOISE CODE.

IT'S BEEN AROUND, UH, IN THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME, LIKE MOST CITIES, UH, BUT OUR CURRENT NOISE CODE IS A LITTLE CONFUSING AND A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE ON SOME OF THESE CONSTRUCTION ITEMS. UH, SO RIGHT NOW IT SAYS THAT ALL CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY HAS TO HAPPEN, UH, DURING THE DAYTIME ON A WEEKDAY, UH, AND THEN IT, BUT THEN IT HAS SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT WHAT DAYTIMES ARE, WHICH INCLUDES SOME WEEKENDS.

SO THERE'S SOME CONFUSION THERE.

TOUGH TO ENFORCE.

UH, IT DOES HAVE A, A 80, UH, DECIBEL LEVEL.

UH, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION CAN BE LOUD, BUT NOT TOO LOUD.

UM, BUT IT DOESN'T APPLY IN CASES OF, UH, EMERGENCIES AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

SO THAT'S ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW.

WE DON'T GET TOO MANY COMPLAINTS ON THIS.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE GET, UH, 25 CALLS A NIGHT ON, BUT WE GET ABOUT JUST A FEW A YEAR.

UH, BUT I THINK ONCE IT HAPPENS, IT'S VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THAT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT OUR, UH, SLEEP AND REST AND THE AFTER HOURS ARE, UH, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

SO, UH, WE DID EMBARK, UH, ON LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT PROCESS AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER.

AND OUR CURRENT PROCESS WITH THE CURRENT CODE IS SIMPLY THIS.

SO SS A P D OR D SS D UH, WE GET THE CALL THAT THERE'S SOME, UH, LATE NIGHT OR VERY EARLY MORNING CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING, UH, MAYBE POSSIBLY IN VIOLATION OF OUR CITY CODE.

CURRENTLY, UH, A D S D INSPECTOR, WE'RE ON THE JOB SITE NORMALLY ANYWAY, SO WE WILL VISIT THE JOB SITE, DO A LITTLE, UH, RESEARCH, AND WE WILL TRY TO MEDIATE THE, WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND THE NEIGHBORS AND TRY TO COME TO SOME SOLUTION THAT THAT WORKS SOMETIMES, OTHER TIMES IT DOESN'T.

I KNOW WE HAD A COUPLE OF CHALLENGING CASES IN DISTRICT NINE, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, WHICH LED TO US LOOKING AT OUR ORDINANCE

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SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE ACTUALLY JUST GOT A, A BUNCH OF, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOLKS AND A BUNCH OF OUR BUILDERS TOGETHER IN A ROOM, AND WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT.

WE, WE GOT THE GREATER SAN ANTONIO BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.

THAT'S OUR MAIN RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOME BUILDERS.

UH, WE GOT THE ASSOCIATED BUILDING CONTRACTORS.

THOSE ARE, THAT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST OR THE LARGEST COMMERCIAL CONTRACTOR GROUP, UH, BUILDING APARTMENTS AND COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES, ET CETERA.

UH, WE HAD SEVERAL MEMBERS FROM HOME HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, SOME IN THE DISTRICT NINE AND 10 AREA, UH, THAT WERE, THAT WERE HAVING SOME OF THIS ISSUE, UM, AND SOME CITY COUNCIL STAFF ATTENDED.

SO WE, WE MET A FEW TIMES, UH, BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, UH, KIND OF PAUSED THIS EFFORT.

WE'VE MET, UH, THIS SUMMER, WE GOT IT BACK ON TRACK, AND WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO SOME, UH, CONSENSUS ON SOME PROPOSED, UH, CODE AND PROCESS CHANGES.

SO LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MAJOR TOPICS WE DISCUSSED THOUGH.

UH, WHAT ABOUT START AND END TIMES, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION? WHEN IS IT TOO EARLY TO START CONSTRUCTION, ESPECIALLY CLOSE TO HOMES OR APARTMENTS, UH, THAT ARE ALREADY THERE? WHEN IS IT TOO LATE TO CONTINUE CONSTRUCTION? UM, DAYS OF THE WEEK? SHOULD IT BE JUST MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? OR SHOULD WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO WORK ON THE WEEKENDS? OF COURSE, UM, CONSTRUCTION DURING HOLIDAYS.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UH, TWO OF THE MAJOR ITEMS THOUGH, WERE NEED FOR MORNING, UH, CONCRETE PORES.

SO, UH, NO MATTER WHAT TIME WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS, UH, 6, 7, 8 AM TO START CONSTRUCTION, WE KNOW IN, UH, SOUTH TEXAS OR IN, IN TEXAS IN GENERAL, THE HEAT AND HUMIDITY IS SO CHALLENGING, UH, THAT CONCRETE PORES HAVE TO HAPPEN IN EARLY MORNING HOURS.

THEY REALLY JUST HAVE TO, UH, JUST SO THAT THEY CAN CURE PROPERLY AND SUCH.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF 5:00 AM, UH, TO 6:00 AM UH, CONCRETE PORES, WHETHER IT'S ON, IN, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, NEW NEIGHBORHOODS OR, UH, EVEN COMMERCIAL PROJECTS.

SO THERE WAS, THAT WAS A LOT OF CON UH, CONSIDERATION TO THAT.

AND THEN THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS WAS, CAN WE JUST GET SOME NOTIFICATION? WHEN IS THIS GONNA HAPPEN? HOW LONG IS IT GONNA LAST? BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY THE FRUSTRATION.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW, EVEN IF IT HAPPENED, UH, A COUPLE OF MORNINGS, UH, A MONTH, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, IF THEY KNEW ABOUT IT, THEY COULD PLAN FOR IT.

BUT THAT WAS THE KEY THAT CAME UP.

AND I THINK WE HEARD FROM, UH, SOME OF THOSE REAL EXAMPLES.

SO WE ARE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING SOME CHANGES TO THE NOISE CODE.

AND WHAT I, UH, I JUST PUT A SLIDE UP HERE THAT SAYS, LOOK, OUR EXISTING AND PROPOSED CODE, THE EXISTING CODE DOES NOT CLEARLY DEFINE CONSTRUCTION HOURS.

LIKE I SAID, IT KIND OF SAYS WEEKDAYS DAY TIMES, BUT IT ALSO ALLUDES TO SOME WEEKEND.

VERY CONFUSING.

UH, SO WE WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

IS THERE ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IF YOU'RE DOING A WORK RIGHT NEXT TO AN EXISTING HOME OR APARTMENT IN THE EXISTING CODE? NO.

WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THERE IS, UM, REQUIRED NOTIFICATION TO RESIDENTS IF THERE IS AN EARLY MORNING COUNTRY, POOR OR LATE NIGHT NEED, UH, FOR SOME WORK, UH, TO CATCH UP OR MAYBE ON THEIR GRAND OPENING, ET CETERA.

UH, THE EXISTING CODE DOES NOT HAVE THAT.

THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE SHOWING WILL, AND, UH, IS THERE ADEQUATE ENFORCEMENT FOR REPEAT VIOLATORS? AND THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW IS NO.

I CAN ISSUE A COUPLE CITATIONS IF I NEED TO.

UH, BUT WHAT WE FOUND IN A COUPLE OF THOSE CASES THAT WERE CHALLENGING, UH, THERE WAS NO REAL TEETH, UH, TO STOP THAT CONSTRUCTION.

UH, BECAUSE A THREE OR $500 FINE DIDN'T, UH, DIDN'T REALLY, UH, MOVE THE NEEDLE FOR THOSE, UH, PROJECTS.

UH, BUT THE PROPOSAL DOES.

SO I'M GONNA JUST KIND OF PUT EXISTING CODE AND, AND NEW CODE, UH, NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE CLAR, CLARIFY AND CHANGE THE CONSTRUCTION HOURS, UH, TO INCLUDE, UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, SEVEN TO 8:00 PM 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM IT USED TO BE SIX TO 10:00 PM UH, WAS NORMAL CONSTRUCTION HOURS.

UH, BUT WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING TO SHRINK THAT A LITTLE BIT.

UH, AND THEN ON WEEKENDS, CLARIFYING THAT WEEKEND WORK IS ABSOLUTELY ALLOWED.

UH, AND THEN WE HAVE EIGHT TO EIGHT OR NINE TO FIVE ON SUNDAYS.

UH, YOU'LL SEE IT UP THERE, UH, SPECIAL CONSIDERATION NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.

SO IF YOU ARE WITHIN 300 FEET OF AN EXISTING RESIDENCE, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, THAT THERE WAS, AGAIN, THERE WAS NOTHING IN EXISTING CODE, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT YOU CAN, UH, DO IT OFF HOURS, OFF THOSE HOURS IF YOU PROPERLY NOTIFY THOSE RESIDENTS.

OKAY? AND NOTIFYING THEM IS EITHER IS IN WRITING WITHIN THREE DAYS ADVANCE NOTICE SAYING, I'M GONNA NEED TO DO A CONCRETE POUR.

I'M GONNA WORK LATE THIS FRIDAY EVENING, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IN WRITING TO THOSE NEIGHBORS WITHIN THAT DISTANCE.

UH, IF YOU HAVE AN H O A OR A REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY WOULD ALL, THEY WOULD NOTIFY THE PRESIDENT OR THE, UH, THE, THE VICE PRESIDENT, WHATEVER'S ON THE BOOK REGISTER WITH THE CITY.

AND THAT COMMUNICATION WOULD GO OUT THAT YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO NOTE, PUT THAT SIGNAGE ON YOUR JOB SITE, NOT ONLY THE CONTACT PERSON, UH, WHO IS IT RESPONSIBLE, THINK OF IT LIKE YOUR SUPERINTENDENT OF THE JOB SITE WITH THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION, NOT JUST THEIR NAME, COMPANY NAME, BUT PHONE NUMBER, UH, AS WELL AS THOSE TIMES OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL CONSTRUCTION.

SO A LOT OF COMMUNICATION IS REALLY WHAT WE, WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

UH, AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THE REQUIRED NOTIFICATION.

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UH, SO THOSE OFF HOURS, UH, IF YOU'RE DOING CONCRETE PORES, YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY THEM.

UH, YOU CAN REQUEST A WAIVER FROM THE CITY, FROM THE BUILDING OFFICIAL FROM MY DEPARTMENT, IF YOU HAVE SOME SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE.

UM, AND, BUT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE NOTIFICATION.

AND THEN LASTLY, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO PUT IN OUR BUILDING SECTION OF THE CODE, WHICH IS CHAPTER 10.

UM, KIND OF A THREE STRIKES IN YOUR OUT RULE, MEANING THERE'LL BE A CITATION IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION.

IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION A SECOND TIME, UH, YOU'LL BE ANOTHER CITATION.

HOWEVER, WE MAY SUSPEND YOUR, YOUR PERMIT FOR 10 DAYS.

IF YOU DO IT AGAIN AFTER WE SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT, UH, WE MAY REVOKE YOUR PERMIT.

SO WE REALLY THINK THAT'LL EN ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO JUST FOLLOW THESE RULES AND, AND REALLY BE CONSIDERATE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR TO THEM, UH, TO TRY TO GET THESE JOBS DONE.

THERE ARE A FEW EXCEPTIONS TO THIS, OF COURSE.

UM, SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS, EMERGENCIES, OF COURSE, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

THIS IS NOT GONNA MAKE ALL THOSE, ALL THAT STREET WORK AND TRAFFIC WORK HAPPEN DURING THE DAYS AND NOT AT NIGHT.

WE KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL CONSIDERATION WHERE THERE'S TRAFFIC.

WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AT NIGHT WHEN THERE'S LIGHT TRAFFIC, UH, PUBLIC CONVENIENCE, CITY SPONSORED OR, OR FIESTA, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

UH, PARADES, UH, AND THEN, UH, SOUND PRODUCED BY GOVERNMENT DOING GOVERNMENT WORK.

SO WE KINDA HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THERE.

THAT'S IN THERE NOW.

WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP THAT IN THERE.

SO THAT'S OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE NOISE CODE, TO INCLUDE SOME OF THESE ENHANCEMENTS AND REALLY JUST TO ALLOW CONSTRUCTION TO HAPPEN, UH, BUT ALSO TO ADD SOME, UH, PROTECTIONS FOR NEIGHBORS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MIKE, SO MUCH.

UM, I, I DO HAVE A, A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL THAT IT WAS COUNCILMAN C C R.

SO I'M GONNA YIELD THE FLOOR TO HIM FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL GO ON TO COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

AND THEN COUNCILMAN BRAD.

I'LL HOLD MY QUESTIONS TILL THE END.

GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.

OH, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UH, I'M PLEASED, AND I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT ARE PLEASED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING FORWARD TODAY.

UH, I WASN'T THE ONLY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WAS HEARING COMPLAINTS.

I'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT SIMILAR CONCERNS.

IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE'S ONGOING CONSTRUCTION, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S EITHER, UH, A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT GOING INTO A MAJOR AREA, OR IT MAY BE A, YOU KNOW, A 300 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND IF THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE OUT THERE AT FOUR IN THE MORNING POURING CONCRETE, AND YOU KEEP HEARING THOSE TRUCKS, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BACKING UP ALL MORNING LONG.

UH, AND THEN AT NIGHT, EVEN AS LATE AS 11 OR 12 AT NIGHT, WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO BED AND THEY'RE HEARING A LOT OF HEAVY CONSTRUCTION NOISE, UH, THOSE WERE THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE WERE HEARING.

AND I THINK THIS ADDRESSES THOSE PRETTY WELL.

I WAS PLEASED TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS DONE WITH THE COOPERATION AND THE COLLABORATION OF MANY PEOPLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING COMMUNITY.

UH, I WAS INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS ON THESE WITH THOSE PARTICIPANTS.

UH, AND I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE WAY OF MOVING FORWARD, AND IT REALLY, UH, SET SOME GUIDELINES THAT ARE PRETTY FIRM FOR ALL OF US TO FOLLOW.

PART OF THIS CAME TO MY WAY OF THINKING BECAUSE OF, UH, THE CITY OF FORT WORTH.

THEY HAVE A STRICT SEVEN TO SEVEN CONSTRUCTION CODE.

UH, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM THAT WORKS WELL.

THEY MAY NOT NEED THE, THE, UH, EXCEPTIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FORT WORTH ISN'T SOUTH TEXAS, SO TO SPEAK.

WEATHER'S A LITTLE EASIER FOR THEM TO BUILD WITH, BUT I UNDERSTAND OUR EXCEPTION, AND MAYBE THEY HAVE TO GET OUT AND POUR SOME CONCRETE FOR FOUNDATIONS AT 5, 5 30 IN THE MORNING.

UH, AND THIS ALLOWS THAT TO HAPPEN.

BUT THEY STILL NEED TO GET PERMISSION BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL BOUNDARIES.

THEY STILL NEED TO INFORM THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA THAT IT'S HAPPENING.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD RELIEVE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS.

SO, UH, I'M PLEASED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION COUNCILMAN ARE GONNA, UH, MOVE TO FORWARD THIS TO COUNCIL.

COUNCILMAN, DO YOU WANNA MOVE TO FORWARD THIS TO COUNCIL AND MAKE SURE YOU GET THE HONOR THERE? I REALLY SHOULD DO THAT, SHOULDN'T I? ? YEAH, I MOVE THE APPROVAL, UH, OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO THE BUILDING CODES.

THERE.

SECOND, THANK YOU.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

WE'LL CONTINUE WITH COUNCIL DISCUSSION.

COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

AND THANK YOU COUNCILMAN COURAGE FOR, UH, MOVING THIS FORWARD.

DISTRICT FIVE HAS A LOT OF MULTI DEVELOPMENT, UH, CONSTRUCTION HEADED OUR WAY, AND WE HAVE HAD SOME CALLS REGARDING, UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

SO THANK YOU FOR, UH, PUSHING THIS FORWARD.

UH, AND I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT RIGHT, HOW THIS ALSO BENEFITS WORKERS TOO, RIGHT? IT, IT CREATES THAT, THAT HEALTHY WORK ENVIRONMENT WITH, UM, FIXED HOURS.

SO THANK YOU.

HAPPY TO SUPPORT.

THANK YOU COUNCILMAN.

COUNCILMAN AND BRAVO.

ONE IS, IT IS NECESSARY AND IT IS HELPFUL.

UH, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEBODY WHO COMES FROM A CON, A SMALL BUSINESS, CONSTRUCTION FAMILY, I THINK I HAVE SOME INSIGHTS INTO THIS.

UM, AND YOU KNOW,

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I THINK, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER DURING THE PANDEMIC, MY BROTHER WAS OPERATING HIS TRACTOR IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IT WAS, BUT IT WAS PROBABLY 10 OR 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, AND IT WAS THE BEEP, BEEP BEEP EVERY TIME HE WENT IN REVERSE.

AND THE TRACTOR'S LOUD.

AND I THOUGHT, WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU DOING, MAN? I HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORS.

AT THE SAME TIME, I SEE, UH, HOW THIS CAN BE CHALLENGING IN CERTAIN WAYS, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR THE, THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS OF, OF CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES.

UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SUNDAY STOP STOPPING AT FIVE O'CLOCK.

THAT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE, UH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE SEEING THAT EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS OR EVEN AN INDIVIDUAL, MAYBE YOU'RE NOT EVEN A BUSINESS BUT YOU, UM, YOU DON'T OWN A SMALL TRACTOR AND YOU GO RENT ONE FOR THE WEEKEND OR WHATEVER AT HOME DEPOT, AND YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET LIKE THOSE EXTRA HOURS IN AND NOT HAVE TO GO AND RENT IT FOR AN EXTRA DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, SO I, I'D MAYBE BE INTERESTED IN SEEING, UM, SUNDAYS GO TO LIKE MAYBE SEVEN O'CLOCK.

UM, I, BECAUSE I SEE HOW THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGE.

I MEAN, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE WITH THE FACT THAT YOU CAN HAVE A BACKYARD BARBECUE ON SUNDAY AND BE JAMMING TUNES, AND PEOPLE CAN GET DRUNK AND HOOT AND HOLLER AND EVERYTHING AND MAKE A LOT OF NOISE A LOT LATER.

BUT IF SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO BUILD A DECK IN THEIR BACKYARD, THEN THEY HAVE TO STOP AT FIVE O'CLOCK.

AND, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO CONSIDER.

FOR OUR KIDS? AND, UM, I HAVE HAD, UM, AT LEAST FIVE CHILDREN, UM, IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS IN MY SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN RUN OVER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE CAN SOMEHOW FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADD THAT PROTECTION, I'M, I'M JUST VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE KIDS.

CHAIR.

DO YOU WANT, UM, THANK YOU, UH, COUNCIL RAO, DO YOU WANNA ANSWER, UH, TO MAYBE ASK TO HOW, UM, WE CAME UP WITH THE 5:00 PM ON SUNDAYS, MICHAEL? SURE.

WELL, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THE, THE, THE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE WEEK AND EVEN ON THE WEEKENDS, UH, WAS THE MOST, UH, DEBATED ISSUE OR DISCUSSED ISSUE.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF, LOT OF REASONS FOR IT.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE, THE, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION GROUPS THAT WERE ATTENDING AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOODS FELT, UH, VERY REASONABLE FELT THAT NINE TO FIVE ON SUNDAYS WAS VERY REASONABLE.

A LITTLE BIT LATER, OF COURSE, STARTING ON SUNDAY MORNING.

UM, BUT FELT THAT THE, THE FIVE O'CLOCK, UH, GAVE THEM ENOUGH TIME OR MOST PROJECTS, ENOUGH TIME, UM, AND, AND THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD WAY TO LAND ON, THERE WAS NO EXACT SCIENCE TO IT, TO COUNCILMAN'S, UH, UH, COMMENTS.

I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THOSE WEEKEND WARRIOR PROJECTS, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT? UH, AND, AND EVEN THE DO IT YOURSELFER IS NOT JUST THE CONTRACTORS, RIGHT? UM, BUT THEY, THEY REALLY FELT THAT THAT WAS A TIME, UH, TO WIND DOWN THE WEEKEND AND GO FROM THERE.

SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE, THE GROUP FELL ON CONSENSUS WISE.

AND, AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD, GOOD RECOMMENDATION.

UH, BUT, BUT IT WAS DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH, I, I WOULD JUST SUBMIT TO YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WHO'S DOING BACKYARD PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, DO IT YOURSELF PROJECTS OR THE MICRO BUSINESSES, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME AND HAVE A SEAT SEAT AT THE TABLE AND PARTICIPATE AND GIVE THEIR INPUT, YOU KNOW? SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN WE SAY SMALL BUSINESSES, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN REVENUE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, A FULL STAFF.

AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE REALLY SMALL MICRO BUSINESSES, THOSE PEOPLE OFTEN DON'T HAVE A VOICE IN THIS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OVER HERE.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR JOB DONE.

THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO COME AND SIT IN HERE AND SIT IN MEETINGS WITH, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF BUREAUCRATS IN THE AIR CONDITIONING AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.

SO, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.

UM, AND I'LL ASK MY QUESTIONS NOW, UH, ON, AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE LOGIC WAS, RIGHT? IN THOSE TIMES, AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN COURAGE REFERENCED, I THINK HE MENTIONED FORT WORTH, THAT HAS THE, THE SEVEN TO SEVEN, HOW DOES SCHOOL BUSES AND CHILDREN KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING? AND, AND, AND THIS IS MY, MY CONCERN, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS, UM, EARLIER, IF WE START AT 6:00 AM TYPICAL SCHOOL BUSES DON'T START PICKING UP CHILDREN UNTIL ABOUT 6:30 AM SO AT LEAST WE HAVE THAT HALF AN HOUR WINDOW.

UM, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR CHILDREN SAFE IF THEY START OPERATING AT 7:00 AM DID WE TAKE ANY CONSIDERATION INTO THAT? DID WE CHECK WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SEE WHAT TIME SCHOOL BUSES PICK UP OUR KIDS? WELL, WE DIDN'T REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

'CAUSE I THINK MANY OF US HAVE, HAVE OUR KIDS BEING PICKED UP BY SCHOOL BUSES.

SO WE KNOW ABOUT THE TIMES.

REMEMBER, THE, THE EXISTING ORDINANCE TALKS ABOUT 6:00 AM WE'RE MOVING THAT TO 7:00 AM AS THE GENERAL CONSTRUCTION TIME.

SO WE'RE EVEN MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT LATER.

UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON ALL OF US TO ENSURE THAT NOT ONLY THE SCHOOL BUSES ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, THE KIDS AS WELL AS THE, THE CONSTRUCTION IN NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THIS IS ALLOWING THEM TO START A LITTLE BIT LATER.

UH, SO THAT THE SCHOOL BUSES, I MEAN, UH, MY DAUGHTER WAS PICKED UP AT SIX 30, UH, LAST YEAR WHEN SHE WAS PICKED UP.

SO MAYBE SHE WAS THE FIRST ONE ON THE ROUTE, BUT I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE LATER.

SO, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL.

THEY, THEY NEED TO BE AWARE OF EACH OTHER AND, AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S SAFE.

AND SO, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST.

LIKE HOW CAN WE ADD THAT ADDED PROTECTION

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AND THEN, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY STILL CAN DO IT.

SO TO COUNCILMAN BRAVO'S POINT, AS LONG AS THEY GET PERMISSION, SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO BE WORKING AND, AND DID RENT SOME TYPE OF MACHINERY FOR THE WEEKEND, THEY DO, HOW DO WE GET INFORMATION TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN KNOW THAT THEY CAN WORK WITH PERMISSION EXTENDED HOURS, MAYBE TILL 8:00 PM ON A SUNDAY? SURE.

SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, IF THIS, IF, AND WHEN THIS GETS PASSED, WE'LL HAVE TO DO A, A LARGE OUTREACH, NOT ONLY TO OUR PROFESSIONAL CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITIES, BUT, UH, REALLY JUST CITYWIDE RIGHT? TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, UH, FOR THE BIGGER SMALL PROJECTS.

SECONDLY, WHEN YOU PULL A PERMIT FROM THE CITY, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT YOUR PROJECT IS CERTAINLY NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL.

UH, IF YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD DOING A BACKYARD DECK, I THINK WAS THE EXAMPLE, YOU WOULD KNOW IT.

UH, AND WE WOULD, WITH THE PERMIT THAT WE GIVE YOU, HERE ARE THE CONSTRUCTION TIMES.

AND IF YOU WANT TO GO BEYOND THAT, YOU HAVE TO LET US KNOW SO WE CAN NOTIFY THE, THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN THREE DAYS OF THAT.

SO THERE'S SOME PLANNING THAT YOU, THAT YOU NEED TO DO.

AND WE BELIEVE THE ENFORCEMENT ON THIS WILL BE BE REACTIVE, UH, MOSTLY REACTIVE.

SO IF WE GET COMPLAINTS, I MEAN, IF IT'S A ONE WEEKEND JOB AND WE FIND, UH, THAT IT'S HAPPENED, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE ISSUE THAT REALLY BROUGHT THIS, IT WAS A REPEATED, UH, VIOLATOR TO THAT, UH, ADJACENT RESIDENCE WAS, WAS REALLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS.

BUT, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE SOME OWNERSHIP D S D WHEN WE ISSUE THE PERMITS.

AND, AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL KNOW THAT THESE ARE THE CONSTRUCTION TIMES THAT YOU GOTTA WORK WITH.

BUT IF THEY DO WANT TO GO MORE, THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT THROUGH US IF THEY HAVE TO PLAN IT THAT WAY.

AND THEN HOW ARE WE ENFORCING THIS? SO IT'S THROUGH CODE COMPLIANCE.

UH, WELL, THIS WOULD BE RIGHT.

THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS ENFORCED, RIGHT? CERTAINLY, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT ARE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

UH, IF SS A P D GETS THE CALL AT NIGHT ON ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW IN A PILOT PROGRAM WHERE CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES IT THREE DAYS A WEEK.

UH, WE'LL BRING BACK SOME MORE INFORMATION, I THINK, TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND PROBABLY THIS COMMITTEE A LITTLE BIT, UH, IN A FEW MORE MONTHS.

BUT WHETHER IT'S S A P D, UH, D S D, INCLUDING BUILDING INSPECTORS OR CODE, UH, ONE OF US WILL GET THE CALL AND WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THESE NEW RULES SO RESIDENTS CAN JUST REPORT IT ALSO.

SO THEY'RE OKAY.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT'S HOW THEY DO IT.

NORMALLY, NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS NOW IS THE CALL COMES TO THREE ONE ONE WITH A COMPLAINT THAT SAYS, CONSTRUCTION NOISE AND 3 1 1 KNOWS CONSTRUCTION, GIVE IT TO D SS D, AND THEN WE DO OUR INVESTIGATION.

SO I ASSUME IT'LL BE, UH, VERY MUCH LIKE THAT.

DOES THIS ALSO APPLY TO COMMERCIAL OR JUST RESIDENTIAL? WELL, THE CHANGE IS REALLY IMPACTING ANY COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS WITHIN 300 FEET OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL RESIDE.

YEAH.

SO IF, UH, ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS WAS IF YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD, 300 HOMES, AND YOU BUY THE FIRST HOME, YEAH, YOU DON'T REALLY GET ANY PROTECTION.

YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A CONSTRUCTION ZONE FOR A COUPLE YEARS.

SO, UM, BUT ONCE IT'S BUILT OUT, UH, THAT'S WHEN YOUR PROTECTION, SO.

UM, AND THEN COUNCILMAN VO HAS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO, UM, AGAIN, I I, I THINK THIS IS, UM, A PRETTY GOOD SOLUTION.

WE'RE, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARY.

ONE THING I WANT PEOPLE TO CONSIDER IS THE HEAT DURING THE SUMMER, RIGHT? AND SO YOU, YOU HAVE AN EXCEPTION FOR POURING CONCRETE, BUT BEFORE YOU POUR CONCRETE, YOU HAVE TO DIG THE TRENCHES, RIGHT? AND A LOT, LOT OF THAT'S DONE BY HAND.

YOU GOTTA SET THE FORMS, YOU GOTTA TIE THE STEEL.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT GETS TO A HUNDRED DEGREES AND YOU'RE IN FULL SUN, THAT'S TOUGH WORK.

AND PEOPLE START TO HAVE HEAT EXHAUSTION.

YOU HAVE TROUBLE KEEPING YOUR, YOUR CREWS HYDRATED ENOUGH.

AND SO ONE THING THAT MY DAD USED TO DO IS HE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE START AT 6:00 AM AND THEN HE WOULD LET THEM, HE'D CALL IT A DAY AT 2:00 PM YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS A HUNDRED DEGREES AND WE'VE SEEN THE CLIMATE PREDICTIONS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE AND MORE DAYS OF A HUNDRED DEGREES AND HIGHER, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL.

I'M NOT GONNA DO AN AMENDMENT RIGHT, PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WANT TO JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO START THINKING ABOUT BEFORE THIS GOES TO FULL COUNSEL, IS A CONSIDERATION OF MAYBE LETTING PEOPLE ON WEEKDAYS, UM, START AT 6:00 AM MAYBE DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT, UM, AND CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE PROTECTION OF PEOPLE'S HEALTH.

AND SO THAT PEOPLE, WORKERS AREN'T OUT THERE GETTING HEAT EXHAUSTION WORKING, YOU KNOW, LATE INTO THE AFTERNOON.

AND SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WANNA PROPOSE FOR CONSIDERATION FOR PE SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT AND EXPLORE THAT BEFORE THIS GOES TO FULL COUNSEL.

BY THE WAY, AS A DAUGHTER OF FORMER CONSTRUCTION WORKER, YES, COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHERE COUNCILMAN BRAVO'S COMING FROM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR TRADES, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ARE, ARE A LITTLE BIT OLDER.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BRAVO.

AND THEN, UM, FINAL QUESTION FOR ME.

AND, AND, AND

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AND SO I JUST AM SENSITIVE TO THAT.

SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

COUNCILMAN, UH, WHO ADDED INPUT INTO THIS AS FAR AS, CAN YOU REMIND ME WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TRADES, THE MANUFACTURING AS WHO, WHO, WHO, WHAT WERE YOUR GROUPS AGAIN? YEAH, SO THE GREATER SAN ANTONIO BUILDERS ASSOCIATION IS, IS OUR HOME.

THOSE ARE OUR HOME BUILDERS, AND THEY HAVE TRADE CONTRACTORS AS WELL.

ALL THE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBERS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, AS WELL AS THE A, B, C, WHICH IS ASSOCIATED BUILDING CONTRACTOR GROUP.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE LARGE COMMERCIAL TRADE.

UH, SO ALL THE COMMERCIAL WORK THAT YOU SEE, APARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING UP AND THEIR SUBCONTRACTORS FILTER INTO THESE.

SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE TWO GROUPS THAT WE WORKED WITH.

UH, AND, AND THEIR MEMBERSHIP, UH, AS WELL AS SOME NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING.

AND I THINK GREAT HELP THE COUNCILMEN, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IDENTIFY THIS CHALLENGE AND, UH, AND SO WE HAD THEM AT THE TABLE AS WELL.

WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU, MIKE.

AND I THINK JUST, UM, ASIDE FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU HEARD, IF, IF THERE'S SOME MAYBE ADDITIONAL PREPARATION FOR WHEN IT DOES GO TO FULL COUNSEL, WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE TO FULL COUNSEL, BUT I THINK THAT THE CONSIDERATION THAT COUNCILMAN BRAVO BRINGS UP WOULD BE HELPFUL DISCUSSION FOR OUR COLLEAGUES TO KIND OF LEARN ABOUT, AND OF COURSE, BEING SENSITIVE THAT IT IS COUNCILMAN COURAGE, C C R MAYBE WORKING, WORKING, UH, IN, IN GIVING HIM INFORMATION AS WELL WOULD BE GOOD.

WE'LL CERTAINLY CIRCLE BACK AND, AND WITH ANYTHING NEW, IF, IF, AND WHEN THIS GETS PASSED, WE'LL MONITOR IT AS, AS IT GETS ON THE BOOKS AND, AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE COUNCIL AND, UH, AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S WORKING AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHALLENGES, IF WE NEED TO TWEAK IT IN THE FUTURE, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU AS WELL.

PERFECT.

BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE MONITOR THAT.

WONDERFUL.

COUNCILMAN KURT.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I JUST WANNA CHECK NOW IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, A CHANGE TO THE U D C? UH, NO, IT IS NOT, IT IS, UH, CHAPTER 21, WHICH IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

AS WELL AS CHAPTER 10, WHICH IS THE BUILDING RELATED CODE.

NOW, CHAPTER 10 CONNECTS TO CHAPTER 35.

THERE'S A LOT OF CROSS REFERENCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

UH, BUT THIS IS STRICTLY CONSTRUCTION HOURS AND NOISE, ALONG WITH THE, GIVING ME THE ABILITY AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, IF YOU GET REPEATED VIOLATIONS, I CALL IT THE THREE STRIKES, RULE THREE REPEATED VIOLATIONS, THEN I CAN SUSPEND AND OR REVOKE THE PERMIT, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES AND YOU'RE NOT RESPECTING YOUR NEIGHBORS.

WELL, I CERTAINLY RESPECT WHAT COUNCILMAN BRAVO HAS POINTED OUT AS, AS KEY INTERESTS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR YOU TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE MAYBE IN SIX MONTHS AFTER THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT, TO LET US KNOW ARE WE HEARING FROM OTHER SMALLER CONTRACTORS OR INDIVIDUALS WHO'VE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS AND, AND HAVE MAYBE FACED SOME VIOLATIONS.

SO, UH, THAT WAY WE CAN TWEAK IT IF WE NEED TO.

SO WE, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD TO FULL COUNSEL.

AYE.

ITEM NUMBER TWO IS BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE CITY'S POLICY FOR ISSUANCE OF RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT AND RESOLUTIONS OF NO OBJECTION FOR APPLICANT SEEKING HOUSING TAX CREDITS FROM THE TAX DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO, UH, ABSTINE, THERE'S NO, UM, NAYS OR NO ABSTENTION.

SO MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MIKE.

SHANNON, GREAT JOB.

I LIKE YOUR GRAPHIC UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BY THE WAY, .

[2 Briefing and possible action related to recommended changes to the City’s policy for the issuance of Resolutions of Support and Resolutions of No Objection for applicants seeking Housing Tax Credits from the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services]]

AND VETO WILL BE PRESENTING.

BUT I THINK LORI WANTS TO, UH, SAY SOMETHING HERE.

GO AHEAD, LORI.

GOOD MORNING.

UM, THIS ITEM IS A CONTINUATION FROM LAST WEEK'S ITEM REGARDING THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT POLICY.

AT THAT MEETING LAST WEEK, WHAT WE DISCUSSED WAS WE WOULD GO BACK TO OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PARTNERS AND ASK THEM ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THEIR ABILITY TO FINANCE PROJECTS.

AND SO STAFF SPENT THE LAST COUPLE DAYS MEETING WITH SEVERAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS, BOTH FOR-PROFIT AND NOT-FOR-PROFIT DEVELOPERS, TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON WHAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS BY COUNCILMAN CASTILLO WOULD DO.

AND SO, VARI SOTO'S HERE TO PRESENT TO THIS COMMITTEE, THAT FEEDBACK AND OUR REVISED RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU, REEN.

UH, I DO WANNA THANK THE DEVELOPERS WHO, UH, NOT ONLY GAVE US FEEDBACK VIA EMAIL AND A WEBEX MEETING, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE HERE AS WELL, UH, FOR SHARING THAT.

UM, THIS IS THE FOLLOW UP, AS WAS MENTIONED, TO DO THE POLICY FOR THE HOUSING TAX, TAX CREDIT, RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT AND NO OBJECTIONS.

AND JUST AS A REMINDER, THE HOUSING, THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM.

IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE I R S, AND THEY PROVIDE THE OVERALL RULES AND GUIDANCE NATIONALLY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ASK IS THAT THE STATE BE THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE PROGRAM, UM, AS THE FUNDING GETS DISTILLED DOWN TO THE STATE LEVEL.

AND SO THE

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AGENCY THAT DOES THIS AT THE STATE OF TEXAS IS THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.

SO THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WRITE THE RULES AND OVERSEE COMPLIANCE FOR THIS FUNDING AND FOR WHAT THE RULES ARE TO BE AWARDED THIS FUNDING.

THEY HAVE VERY HIGH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

THEY DO A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THE PERFORMANCE ON THE FINANCE AND THE DEBT THAT IS ISSUED.

THEY DO REQUIRE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS OF THE PROPERTIES.

AND AGAIN, THEY OVERSEE COMPLIANCE OVERALL WITH THE PROGRAM.

THE WAY THE MUNICIPALITY, THE CITY HAS A ROLE IS ESSENTIALLY AS A CLEARING HOUSE TO, UH, GIVE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THE STATE LOOKS AT.

AND THIS IS A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT OR NO OBJECTION.

SO OUR PROCESS IS THE CLEARING HOUSE TO ISSUE THOSE RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT OR, OR NO OBJECTIONS.

WHAT WE DO IS MAKE SURE THAT AT A HIGH LEVEL, WE MOVE FORWARD PROJECTS THAT MEET THE C CITY'S PRIORITIES.

UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE KNOW THAT THE TRUE COMPETITION IS AT THE STATE LEVEL.

SO WE ALWAYS WANT TO PRIORITIZE THE LOCAL POLICIES WITHOUT TRYING TO REALLY MAKE OUR LOCAL APPLICATIONS BE UNCOMPETITIVE AT THE STATE LEVEL.

UH, AT WORSE, WE WANT THE APPLICATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD PREVENT MORE DEVELOPERS FROM COMPETING AT THE STATE LEVEL.

AND SO, SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE, IMPACT TRANSIT REGIONAL CENTERS, UH, OUR AFFORDABILITY GOALS, AS YOU'VE HEARD WITH OUR SHIP.

AND SO THE, THE QUESTION WE ASK THROUGH OUR PROCESS IS, SHOULD THEY BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THE CREDITS? AND HOW DO WE MAKE THEM STILL REMAIN COMPETI COMPETITIVE AT THE STATE LEVEL? SO THE STATE IS WHO GIVES THE AWARDS.

THERE'S NO FUNDING AT THIS LEVEL.

THERE'S NO FUNDING ASSOCIATED FROM THE CITY AT ALL.

IT'S JUST A RESOLUTION.

THE FUNDING ITSELF AND THE TRUE COMPETITION IS REALLY AT THAT STATE LEVEL.

AND THE AWARD COMPETITION IS PRETTY INTENSE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE 9%.

UM, AND SO THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DO A DEEP DIVE.

UM, OUR 100 POINT SCORING SYSTEM IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE 150 PLUS POINTS THAT YOU CAN OBTAIN AT THE STATE.

AND THEY DO THAT DEEP DIVE LOOKING AT ALL THE PERFORMANCE AND THE LOCATIONS AND POVERTY LEVELS AND CENSUS TRACKS.

SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS DO COME BACK TO THE CITY.

SOME OF THEM COME BACK TO HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST.

A FEW OF THEM COME BACK AND ASK FOR ADDITIONAL GAP FUNDING IF THEY'RE TRYING TO DO DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

BUT THE FIRST INITIAL AND MOST IMPORTANT STEP IS AT THE STATE WHERE THE FUNDING GETS AWARDED.

AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FUNDING MECHANISM NATIONALLY TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO IF WE WANT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY'S AT THAT PARTNERSHIP LEVEL OR PARTNERSHIP STATE STEP AFTER THEY HAVE SECURED THE STATE FUNDING AWARD, THAT WE CAN DO ADDITIONAL ITEMS. AND SOME OF THEM COME TO THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST, BUT SOME OF THEM GO TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES, UM, P F C INSTEAD OF COMING TO THE TRUST P F C.

SO THERE ARE OPTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THE PARTNERSHIPS.

SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS MIRRORING OUR PROCESS TO FOLLOW THE 9% PROCESS.

AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME, IT'S A VERY, VERY TIGHT TIMELINE.

SO WE DO HAVE TO TAKE THIS TO COUNCIL, UM, THIS MONTH SO THAT WE CAN START OPENING OUR APPLICATION.

AND THE MOST COMPETITIVE PROCESS IS THE 9%.

BUT THIS ALSO IMPACTS OUR 4% PROCESS BECAUSE EVERY TWO YEARS, OUR POLICY OR OUR PRACTICE IS TO UPDATE THE POLICY, AGAIN, TO REFLECT THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES.

WE COLLECT INFORMATION WHEN WE DO OUR OWN APPLICATION, AND THAT BECOMES THE BASIS FOR OUR OWN RESOLUTION, UM, RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE APPLICATIONS COME IN LATER.

UM, CITY COUNCIL AGAIN GIVES THAT THOSE RESOLUTIONS, BUT JUST BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT RECEIVES A RESOLUTION DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY'RE GUARANTEED THE AWARD AT THE STATE LEVEL.

SO TYPICALLY FOR A 9%, WE SEE 20 TO 25 APPLICATIONS COME IN.

WE END UP AWARDING BETWEEN 16 TO 20 RESOLUTIONS, AND ONLY THREE OR FOUR ACTUALLY GET AWARDED.

AND SO THAT'S HOW COMPETITIVE THE PROCESS IS.

FOR THE 4%, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR.

UM, IT'S LESS COMPETITIVE, MORE GUARANTEE THAT THEY'LL GET THE 4% APPLICATION.

BUT AGAIN, A RESOLUTION AWARDED FOR A 4% DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL GET THE FUNDING AWARD.

AND SO T D H C A IS REALLY WHERE THE DETAILED DEEP DIVE INTO THE PROJECT AND THE FINANCING HAPPENS.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT AWARD THE FUNDING.

AGAIN, OUR PROCESS IS NOT ABOUT AWARDING FUNDING AT ALL.

AND WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CITY IN THE REGION.

SO TEXAS IS DIVIDED INTO 13 REGIONS.

WE HAPPEN TO BE AN URBAN AREA IN REGION NINE.

THAT'S

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WHAT T D H DESIGNATED US.

WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CITY IN THIS REGION.

SO DEVELOPMENTS COULD APPLY IN ANY ONE OF THESE CITIES.

WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT EVEN THE ONLY COUNTY IN OUR REGION.

SO THE COMPETITION COULD BE THAT DEVELOPMENTS COULD GO ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE REGION.

AND THE REGION ANNUALLY HAS BEEN GETTING AROUND FIVE, $5.5 MILLION.

AND SO THE FUNDING AND THE DEVELOP DEVELOPMENTS COULD GO ANYWHERE IN THE REGION.

'CAUSE THERE ARE OTHER URBAN CITIES.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE THREAD THE NEEDLE WHEN WE DO OUR POLICY, HAVING OUR HIGH POLICY PRIORITY WITHOUT MAKING IT SO DIFFICULT OR SO BURDENSOME OR SO UNCOMPETITIVE AT THE STATE LEVEL, THAT WE DO NOT GET THAT FUNDING IN OUR CITY.

SO THIS IS A ROUGH TIMELINE, AND IT, IT FOLLOWS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT WAS HARD TO FIT INTO ONE LINE.

UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE POLICY ADOPTED THIS MONTH SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE APPLICATION AVAILABLE.

AT THE SAME TIME.

THE STATE OPENS ITS APPLICATION.

THE STATE IS ACTUALLY ABOUT TO FINALIZE THEIR RULES.

UM, THEY, THEY DON'T OFFICIALLY HAVE THEIR RULES UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH BECAUSE THERE'S A PROCESS.

AND, UM, THE PUB PUBLICATION OF THE RULES HAS TO HAPPEN AROUND DECEMBER ONE.

WE OPEN OUR APPLICATION DECEMBER 1ST.

UH, THAT'S THE SAME WEEK THAT PRE-APPLICATION ARE OPEN AT THE STATE PRE-APPLICATION ARE, ARE DUE AT THE STATE THAT FIRST WEEK IN JANUARY.

OUR APPLICATION FOR RESOLUTION IS DUE THE FOLLOWING MONDAY.

SO THAT'S A FRIDAY AND A MONDAY SO THAT APPLICANTS CAN FOCUS ON THAT APPLICATION.

AGAIN, FOR THE 9%, WE HAVE A VERY TIGHT TIMEFRAME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SCORE AND EVALUATE ALL THOSE APPLICATIONS, THOSE 2025 APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE WITH A RECOMMENDATION VERY QUICKLY AND THEN GO TO COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY WITH THOSE RESOLUTIONS.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO GO IN FEBRUARY? THE T D H C A HAS FULL APPLICATIONS DUE MARCH, MARCH 1ST, SO VERY TIGHT TURNAROUND.

SO THAT'S WHY THE POLICY NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO LAST WEEK, THIS IS THE AMENDMENT WE RECEIVED FROM, UM, DISTRICT FIVE.

AND IT IMPACTED THE TENANT PROTECTIONS, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENTS.

AND IT ALSO, UH, IMPACTED THE POINT STRUCTURE FOR DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COUNCIL DISTRICT OFFICE, AND NO SURPRISE THAT WE HEARD VERY QUICKLY FROM THE, UH, PRACTITIONERS WHO USE THESE, UM, TAX CREDITS TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND SO WE HEARD VIA EMAILS, VIA CALLS, WE ACTUALLY CONVENED THEM.

UH, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A SHORT WEEK, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A MEETING TOGETHER FRIDAY TO GET MORE FEEDBACK.

AND SO IN FRONT OF YOU IS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED.

UM, THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH THE TENANT PROTECTIONS ABOUT HAVING, UH, ANOTHER ENTITY WITH A SEPARATE BOARD, UH, POLICY APPLY LOCALLY WHEN NOT ALL DEVELOPERS USE THAT PARTNERSHIP.

OBVIOUSLY THEY GO WITH THE TENANT PROTECTIONS OR WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST, THE TENANT PROTECTIONS THERE APPLY TO THEM, BUT NOT EVERYONE UTILIZES THAT P F C AS A PARTNER.

UM, AND ALSO THE CITY ITSELF HASN'T ADOPTED ITS OWN TENANT PROTECTION.

SEPARATE AND APART.

WE HAVE ADOPTED OTHER ITEMS, WHICH OF COURSE I'LL LIST.

UM, BUT THIS IS SOME OF WHAT WE HEARD ABOUT, IS THIS A POTENTIAL BARRIER TO HAVING MORE DEVELOPMENTS? UM, ARE THERE SETBACKS IF WE USE ANOTHER POLICY FROM ANOTHER BODY THAT HAS ITS OWN BOARD? UM, AND, UM, THE CITY ITSELF HASN'T GONE THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS OF TENANT PROTECTIONS.

UM, WE HEARD A LOT.

SO HERE'S ANOTHER SLIDE THAT HAS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK.

UM, THERE WAS GENERALLY SUPPORT TO HAVE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, BUT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT THERE'S SUCH TRADE OFF AS YOU HAVE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, YOU MIGHT BE CREATING GAPS.

AND SO SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD WERE AROUND THAT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OUR PROCESS, OUR POLICY FOR AWARDING RESOLUTIONS DOES NOT INVOLVE ANY FUNDING AT ALL.

SO IF THERE'S A GAP CREATED, WE'RE NOT OFFERING TO FILL THAT GAP WITH SOMETHING ELSE TO CREATE THAT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL, UM, FEEDBACK WE GOT AROUND THE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

BUT I MENTIONED WE HEARD A LOT.

SO HERE'S THE THIRD SLIDE, UM, THAT AGAIN, MENTIONS THE FACT THAT THE REAL COMPETITION COMES AT THE STATE LEVEL, WHERE THE AWARDS ARE ACTUALLY MADE, WHERE THE FUNDING, UH, DECISION IS MADE.

AND AGAIN, UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK AND IT MIRRORS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF ALSO HAD.

AGAIN, AS STAFF, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE STILL PRIORITIZE HIGH LEVEL THE THINGS THAT THE CITY WANTS, BUT WE DON'T WANNA MAKE OUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENTS FROM FOR-PROFIT AND NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS BE UNCOMPETITIVE AT THE STATE.

WE CERTAINLY WANNA BRING THE MONEY TO OUR CITIES, SO WE DON'T WANNA PUSH DEVELOPMENTS TO OTHER URBAN COMMUNITIES, TO OTHER

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COUNTIES AS WELL.

AND OF COURSE, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING, UM, THE GUIDANCE AND THE COMPLIANCE, UM, OR THE WAY IN WHICH TO HAVE COMPLIANCE WITH TENANT PROTECTIONS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING LOCALLY ADOPTED.

AND A RESOLUTION IS NOT A CONTRACT WHERE YOU CAN GO BACK AND CHECK THE COMPLIANCE ITSELF.

SO BASED ON ALL THIS FEEDBACK, THE ANALYSIS FROM OUR TEAM, WE DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION WHEN IT COMES TO THESE ITEMS. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE TENANT PROTECTIONS, AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AS WELL, UM, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF THIS, NOT, UH, AS EXTENSIVE AS THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST ADOPTED.

NOW, THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST, I BELIEVE, TOOK ABOUT A YEAR TO NARROW DOWN THEIR TENANT PROTECTIONS.

BUT THE CITY ITSELF DOES HAVE OUR NON-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE.

WE HAVE OUR NOTICE OF TENANTS RIGHTS ORDINANCE, THE HOUSING SHOWS, VOUCHER, INCENTIVE POLICY, AND OF COURSE EVERYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE POLICY.

SO ANYONE WHO APPLIES FOR THE RESOLUTIONS KNOWS THAT THOSE ARE ADOPTED POLICIES BY THE CITY THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.

AND WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR OWN INTENSIVE PROCESS TO ADOPT ADDITIONAL TENANT PROTECTIONS.

UM, AND SO WE AGREED, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, UM, ALSO AGREED THAT WE SHOULD NOT, UH, REFERENCE ANOTHER POLICIES, ANOTHER ENTITY'S POLICY, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

AND THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO CHECK ON COMPLIANCE.

AND, UH, NOT ALL DEVELOPERS END UP WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST IS A PARTNER.

SAHA HAS TENANT PROTECTIONS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UH, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SOME TENANT PROTECTIONS AS WELL.

AND SO WE COULD BE CREATING CONFLICTS IF THE CITY SAYS ADOPT THAT POLICY BY THAT PARTICULAR ENTITY.

AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE SOME PROTECTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH A PUBLIC BETTING PROCESS.

AND SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

WITH REGARD TO THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS LITERALLY THE AMENDMENT THAT TRIED TO HAVE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

AND THE MOTION WAS TO HAVE THE MOST POINTS AWARDED WHEN WE HAVE 20% OF THE UNITS AT 30% A M I AND THEN 15% OF THE UNITS AT 30% A M I.

THERE WAS, UM, NO MENTION OF HOW THE SCORING IS UP TO, SO THERE'S A GRADATION.

UM, AND IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS WHAT WE HAD PRESENTED LAST WEEK, YOU CAN SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET UP TO 20 POINTS.

BUT SOME PEOPLE, SOME DEVELOPERS, UM, ONLY GET 10 POINTS BECAUSE THEY MEET THE UNITS.

AND ALL OF THESE ARE OR STATEMENTS.

SO SOMEONE CAN, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION GET THE 20 POINTS.

IF THEY HAD 10% OF THEIR UNITS AT 30% A M I, AND THOSE ARE THE RENTS.

OR IF THEY HAD 15% OF THE UNITS AT 40% A M I AND AGAIN, ANOTHER OR, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE GRADATION HERE, UH, VERY STARK DIFFERENCE FROM, UM, THE AMENDMENT THAT SEEMED TO JUST FOCUS ON 20 POINTS OR 15 POINTS INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, BUT THEY MIGHT BE, UH, HAVING SOME AFFORDABILITY THAT CAN EARN THEM 10 OF THE 100 POINTS.

SO AFTER ALL THE FEEDBACK WE DID CONSIDER THE AMENDMENT, AND WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR, UM, THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE.

THIS IS STILL 20 POINTS.

WE HEARD THE, THE NEED, UM, AND THE, THE CONCERN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

AND EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO FUNDING TIED TO THIS, WE FOUND A WAY, UM, TO TRY AND GET THE MOST POINTS, 20 POINTS IF WE DO HAVE 20 UNITS AT 30% A M I AND 50 UNITS AT 30% A M I.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND HOW THEY GRAD GRADATE THE POINTS AND WHAT WE HEARD FROM, UH, DISTRICT FIVE.

AND SO HERE YOU STILL SEE THE GRADATION, THE GRADUATION OF THE POINTS, AND YOU SEE THAT WE START AT FIVE POINTS AND THEN GO UP TO 10 POINTS, 15, 18 POINTS, AND THEN 20 POINTS.

SO WE STILL HAVE THE MOST POINTS IF WE HAVE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, BUT WE DON'T, UM, ELIMINATE THE, THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME POINTS IN THIS CATEGORY IF DEVELOPERS, UM, ARE AIMING FOR WHAT THE STATE HAS.

AND THE STATE DOES REQUIRE, FOR THE MOST PART, 10% OF THE UNITS AT 30% A M I.

THAT'S HOW THEY MAXIMIZE THEIR POINTS AT THE STATE.

WE DID DO ANALYSIS OF THE RESOLUTIONS FROM THIS YEAR.

UM, SO WE USE REAL INFORMATION.

GRANTED, DEVELOPERS DID NOT KNOW IT WAS GONNA CHANGE, BUT WE TRIED TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF WE HAD THOSE RULES IN PLACE WITH THE OTHER CHANGES THAT WE HAVE.

UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP.

UM, AND SO OUR CONCERN AS STAFF WAS, ARE WE MAKING IT SO THAT LESS AFFORDABLE UNITS OVERALL ARE CREATED IN OUR COMMUNITY? UM, AND THE ANSWER WAS, IF WE HAD THAT STRICT INTERPRETATION, WE COULD BE LOSING OUT AS A

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COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S NOT A COUPLE HUNDRED UNITS, IT'S ACTUALLY 2000 UNITS.

2,100 UNITS COULD BE LOST IF AN APPLICATION COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD AT THE STATE.

SO THOSE WOULD BE 2,100 UNITS FROM POOR 4% DEVELOPMENTS, WE COULD LOSE UP TO 200 UNITS OF 9% DEVELOPMENTS.

SO IN 2021, WE HAVE RECEIVED THROUGH THIS PROGRAM ABOUT 2,800 UNITS.

IF WE HAD THIS VERY STRICT INTERPRETATION ON THE AFFORDABILITY, IT COULD BE THAT WE COULD LOSE IN TOTAL ABOUT 2,300 UNITS.

YES, IT'S A BIT OF A COUNTERFACTUAL BECAUSE HAD DEVELOPERS KNOWN, MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT THIS IS REAL DATA FROM APPLICATIONS WE RECEIVED THIS YEAR.

SO THERE COULD BE AN IMPACT.

UM, AND DEVELOPERS DO TAKE SOME TIME TO DEVELOP WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PROPOSE.

UM, THEY SOMETIMES SPEND TWO YEARS WORKING ON A DEAL, UM, GIVEN THAT APPLICATIONS HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD IN ABOUT SIX WEEKS WITH PRE-APP APPLICATIONS OPEN IN DECEMBER, FIRST WEEK IN DECEMBER, IT'D BE VERY HARD FOR SOMEONE TO TRY AND CHANGE THEIR, THEIR PLANS THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR OVER A YEAR TO TRY AND ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THIS.

AND SO THERE, THERE WAS ALSO THAT FEAR AND OF THE UNITS THAT WE COULD LOSE, UM, WE COULD LOSE SOME DEEPER AFFORDABILITY AS WELL.

SO OUR ANALYSIS SHOWED THAT, UM, OF THE UNITS THAT ARE 4%, 80% OF THE UNITS THAT WE GOT THIS YEAR ARE AT 60% A M I, WHICH MEANS THAT ABOUT 20% OF THEM ARE AT THAT 30%, 40%, AND 50% A M I.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE 50% A M I AND BELOW AS THE AREA WITH THE GREATEST NEED.

SO HERE IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

WE STILL HAVE THE 20 POINTS IN THAT AFFORDABILITY CRITERIA, BUT THE WAY IN WHICH WE AWARD NOW DOES CONSIDER THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS PUT FORWARD, BUT WE DON'T, UH, MAKE IT A DEEPER AFFORDABILITY OR NO POINTS.

WE STILL HAVE THE, THE GRADUATED POINTS THAT A DEVELOPER IS ABLE TO HAVE.

AND WITH THIS, UM, THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, VERO.

UM, AND I'LL, I'LL START OFF, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL, UM, I KNOW THIS WAS, UM, COUNCILMAN CASTILLO'S, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, AMENDMENT.

SO I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND YIELD THE FLOOR TO HER FIRST.

GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UM, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WEREN'T INTENDED TO BE BARRIERS.

THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE STANDARDS, UM, THAT IF A FOR-PROFIT OR NONPROFIT DEVELOPER WANTS TO, WANTS TO, UM, OFFSET 9% OF THEIR TAX LIABILITY THAT THEY NEED TO COME FORWARD WITH THE PLAN THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.

UM, BUT THANK YOU VI FOR THE PRESENTATION AND STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT Y'ALL, UH, PUT INTO THE ALTERNATIVES.

UM, I, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I INTRODUCED THE AMENDMENTS LAST MEETING WITH THE INTENT TO ELICIT MORE PROPOSALS WITH UNITS AT 30% A M I.

AND OVER THE PAST WEEK, OUR OFFICE HAS WORKED WITH N H SS D, UM, TO STRUCTURE THE AMENDMENT PROPOSED.

THE PROPOSAL WAS LISTED UNDER THE, UH, POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE LIST.

UM, AND MY GOAL IS TO BETTER ADDRESS THE GROWING NEED AT THE 30% A M I LEVEL, GIVEN THE DATA IN THE SHIP.

THE SHIP INDICATES THAT THERE ARE 65% OF 10,611 RENTAL UNITS THAT NEED TO BE PRODUCED, THAT ARE AT THE LEVEL OF ZERO TO 30% OF THE AVERAGE AREA OF MEDIAN INCOME.

THIS IS A SMALL BUT IMPORTANT STEP TO GET THAT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO NEEDS.

AND IN SPEAKING WITH NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE EXPRESSED THAT THE T D H C APPROVES THE HOUSING TAX CREDITS APPLICATION, AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO CHANGE THE AFFORDABILITY FOR UNITS WITHOUT DIPPING INTO TS FEE WAIVERS OR OTHER LAYERED FUNDING.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR AND INTENTIONAL WITH THESE POLICIES FROM PROJECT INCEPTION INSTEAD OF RUSHING DEVELOPERS AT THE VERY END TO CHANGE.

SO, SO ABSOLUTELY IT'S ABOUT CREATING STANDARDS.

SO DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, HAVE REACHED OUT TO OUR OFFICE AS WELL IN SUPPORT OF THE AMENDMENT.

UM, AND GIVEN THE COMMUNITY NEED INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRY SUPPORT, UH, FOR NONPROFIT DEVELOPERS, AND THAT N H S D STAFF HAS WORKED WITH OUR OFFICE TO REFINE THIS NEED.

AGAIN, UNDER THE ALTERNATIVE SLIDE, UH, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE POLICY FOR THE ISSUANCE OF RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT AND RESOLUTIONS OF NO OBJECTION FOR APPLICANT SEEKING HOUSING TAX CREDITS FROM THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS WITH AFFORDABILITY CRITERIA AS STATED IN THE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE SLIDE WITH THE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE.

UM, DO I NEED TO READ THROUGH EACH OF THE NO CRITERIA WE'VE CAPTURED SECOND.

SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

COUNCILMAN CASTILLO? UH, DO MY COLLEAGUES, OH, LORI, GO AHEAD.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

SO YOUR, YOUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS REFLECTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT CORRECT? THE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE SIDE? YES.

THERE'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE SIDE.

GET ADOPTED, WE WILL BE CHANGING THE COUNCIL MEMO, AND WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT AT COUNCIL ON THURSDAY, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THE PROCESS TO DO THAT.

SO THE CRITERIA UNDER THE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE SLIDE.

AND SO IF IT DOES

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CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? RIGHT NOW THE ITEM IS POSTED AND WE REFERENCE IT.

THERE MIGHT BE A CHANGE, SO WE MAY NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT AT COUNCIL AS WELL ON THURSDAY.

WE'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT PROCEDURE.

AND, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO MAKE IT OKAY.

A AN AMENDMENT TO THE ALTERNATIVE.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S POSTED, AS WE MENTIONED LAST WEEK, WE NEEDED TO GET THE ITEM POSTED.

OH, I SEE.

THEY, THE ITEM WAS POSTED AS IS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CHANGE MM-HMM.

, SO THERE'S A CHANGE.

WE MIGHT ASK COUNCILMAN ROCHA GARCIA OR COUNCILMAN CASTILLO TO PULL THE ITEM MM-HMM.

SO WE CAN MAKE THE APPROPRIATE AMENDMENT.

OH, UNDERSTOOD.

UH, I'LL CONTINUE WITH COUNCIL COLLEAGUES.

UH, COUNCILMAN RIDGE.

GO AHEAD, MADAM CHAIR, JUST, JUST FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.

THERE WAS A LATE MINUTE THEY MADE THE DEADLINE, BUT TOBY, THERE IS A CITIZEN TO BE HEARD AS WELL.

OH, I'M SO SORRY.

NO, NO, I DID NOT LET YOU KNOW THAT.

SO, OKAY, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD IF THAT'S OKAY.

COUNCILMAN, LET'S, UH, LET'S LET TOBY COME UP AND, UH, AND SPEAK.

TOBY WILLIAMS WITH MADHOUSE DEVELOPMENT.

GOOD MORNING.

UH, I AM JUST HERE IN SUPPORT OF STAFF, UH, AND JUST WANTED TO, WANTED TO VOICE THAT.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL CAST.

I APPRECIATE THE REALLY HARD WORK YOU HAVE DONE AND YOUR STAFF, AND I'M SURE THE CITY STAFF ON, ON DEVELOPING THE ALTERNATIVE.

AND, UH, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE ALTERNATIVE.

I UNDERSTOOD IN LOOKING AT THE CHART THAT THERE WOULD BE A PROJECT OR TWO THAT MIGHT NOT GET FULL SUPPORT AND NO OBJECTION IN PLACE, BUT OVERALL, THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS STILL LOOK LIKE THEY REMAINED, UH, FAIRLY STABLE ON WHAT WOULD BE, AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

I'M SURE ALL OF THE PLAYERS HAD INPUT.

SO I, I FEEL GOOD.

I WE'RE MAKING SOME POSITIVE GAINS TO DEVELOP MORE AFFORDABILITY.

AND IS YOUR MIC ON? PARDON ME? YOUR MIC? THEY CAN'T HEAR IT.

THANK, THANK YOU.

I COULD HEAR YOU REALLY WELL, .

THAT'S GOOD.

I'M SURE EVERYBODY COULD, I'M PRETTY LOUD.

UH, THE OTHER PART ABOUT, UH, THE TENANT'S RIGHTS, I AM WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE TENANT'S RIGHTS.

HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT IT PROBABLY IS PRETTY AWKWARD FOR AN ORGANIZATION TO ACCEPT RIGHTS FROM A, A SPECIFIC ORGANIZATION THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THE CITY HAS ALREADY ADOPTED.

UH, AND SO I'M INCLINED TO GET THE CITY TO ADOPT THOSE AND MAKE THEM PART OF OUR PROCESS MOVING FORWARD AND, AND NOT NECESSARILY IMPOSING THEM ON THE, UH, GROUPS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE.

I MIGHT ASK IF CITY STAFF WOULD ASK EACH OF THOSE GROUPS IF THEY WOULD VOLUNTARILY ADOPT THOSE, AND MAYBE SOME WILL.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE TO HAVE THE CITY ADOPT THEM OR IF THEY NEED TO AMEND THEM TO MEET WHATEVER THE CITY STANDARDS MAY BE.

BUT I DOUBT IF THEIR STANDARDS WOULD BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE PUT IN THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT PROTECTING NOT JUST RENTERS, BUT PROTECTING THE DEVELOPERS AND, UH, EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN RENTAL HOUSING.

SO, UH, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE ALTERNATIVE.

UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY SAYING AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD.

THE FIRST PART ABOUT, UH, THE, THE RENDER'S RIGHTS I'D, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT SEPARATELY.

AND, AND REALLY I'D LIKE TO SEE US GET THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT THOSE BEFORE WE TRY AND IMPLEMENT 'EM.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, BUT OTHERWISE, I, I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE 30% UNITS.

AND I, AND, AND VIRO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALSO POINTING OUT THAT IT WAS A COUNTERFACTUAL THAT, I MEAN, THE POINT OF THIS IS WE'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE BEHAVIOR TO GET THE OUT AN INTENDED OUTCOME, RIGHT? AND SO WE CAN'T NECESSARILY LOOK AT HOW WOULD THE PREVIOUS PROJECTS HAVE FIT IN THIS, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THIS, THIS POINT SYSTEM IN PLACE TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO GET THERE.

COUNCILMAN VO.

I, I FEEL LIKE THIS COULD BE A, A FULL-TIME JOB JUST, UM, GOING OVER THE, GETTING THESE POINTS, CATEGORIES, RIGHT, AND FINE TUNING THEM AND COMBING THROUGH THEM AND, AND MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS AND STAFF.

AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ALL HAVE SPENT MORE TIME AND BEEN DELIBERATE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING THEM MORE FINE TUNED FOR US.

UM, AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO FOR PUTTING SO MUCH ATTENTION OR GIVING SO MUCH ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE.

UM, I'M CURIOUS, UH,

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UM, AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, TO JUMP FROM 15% UNITS OF THE UNITS AT 30% A M I TO 20%, THAT'S MEANINGFUL, RIGHT? BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE POINTS CATEGORY 18 POINTS TO 20 POINTS, I DON'T SEE THOSE LAST TWO POINTS AS BEING REALLY MEANINGFUL.

LIKE, YOU, I CAN GET 98 POINTS IF THIS IS A SYSTEM WHERE I ONLY NEED LIKE 75 OR 80 POINTS IN ORDER TO QUALIFY AND GET THAT LETTER OF SUPPORT.

THOSE LAST TWO POINTS DON'T, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE TO GET SOMEBODY TO GO FROM 15% OF THE UNITS AT 30% A M I TO 20%.

AND SO THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT.

WELL, I CAN ADDRESS THAT.

UM, THE BEST WAY TO MOVE THE NEEDLE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT IS THROUGH OUR FUNDING MECHANISMS. AS COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO MENTIONED.

UM, IF WE WANT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, UM, EN ENFORCING IT THROUGH THE FUNDING, UH, IF THERE'S A GAP CREATED, MAKING SURE THAT GAP IS, IS FILLED WITH THE, THE UNITS THAT ARE DEEPER AFFORDABLE, UM, MORE DEEPLY AFFORDABLE, WOULD BE THE MECHANISM TO DO IT.

AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND ADOPT OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, I THINK ALL THE FUNDING AWARDS THAT WE CAN MAKE IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE TIED TO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE ON, ON ALL OF THAT.

UM, YOU'RE STILL SENDING A VERY STRONG SIGNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ABOUT THE NEED AND DESIRE TO HAVE DEEPER AFFORDABILITY IN ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

AND SO I THINK MARRYING THAT TO THE POLICIES GOING FORWARD FOR HOW WE AWARD ACTUAL INCENTIVES IS GONNA BE THE WAY WE MOVE THE NEEDLE.

UM, YOU'RE STILL SENDING A SIGNAL IN, IN THIS POLICY ABOUT THE NEED FOR DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, HOWEVER, YEAH.

SO CAN WE CALL UP PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK? I, I SEE A, UH, NON-PROFIT, UM, DEVELOPER, I GUESS OUT THERE.

SO HOW MANY MINUTES DOES HE HAVE ON THE TIMER? HE HAS, HE HAS ONE MINUTE AND 11 SECONDS.

DO YOU WANT TO GIVE, UH, MAYBE IN MY NEXT ROUND.

UM, AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.

I WANT TO CLARIFY, AT LEAST IN MY OWN MIND TOO, UH, WE TALK ABOUT POINTS, UH, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE ON SAYING THEY QUALIFY FOR OUR SUPPORT OR OUR LETTER OF NO OBJECTION.

THAT'S CORRECT.

DO THE POINTS THAT WE ACCUMULATE TO DETERMINE OUR DECISION CARRY OVER TO THE STATE? NO, THEY DO NOT.

SO THE STATE HAS ITS OWN CRITERIA FOR DECIDING ITS OWN POINTS CORRECT.

AND HOW IT'S GOING TO MAKE THE AWARDS.

YES, SIR.

SO WHAT WE DO IS REALLY ONLY RELEVANT TO WHAT WE WANNA SAY.

WE SUPPORT WITH NO OBJECTION OR WE SUPPORT BY SUPPORT.

CORRECT.

NOW, I, I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT TRYING TO PROMOTE THE BEST PROJECT BY SAYING, WE'RE GONNA GIVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO THIS ONE PROJECT AND TO THE OTHERS, WE'RE JUST GONNA SAY NO OBJECTION.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE IS WHAT THE COUNCIL CAN DECIDE TO DO.

THE COUNCIL LITERALLY CAN GIVE EVERYBODY A LETTER OF SUPPORT, OR THEY CAN GIVE EVERYBODY A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION.

UH, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROMOTE THE, THE BEST AFFORDABILITY THAT WE SEE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.

BUT THE STATE'S STILL GONNA LOOK AT THAT AND DECIDE HOW THAT AFFORDABILITY AFFECTS THEIR DECISION.

AND I WOULD SAY THE MORE AFFORDABILITY WE MANAGE TO BUILD IN AT OUR LEVEL WILL ACTUALLY HELP A COMPANY MOVING FORWARD AT THE STATE LEVEL.

'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, LET'S, THIS ONE'S GIVING MORE 30% OR 40% OR 50% THAN THAT ONE IS.

AND I'M SURE THAT COMES INTO PLAY AS WELL AS THEIR FINANCIAL STABILITY AND THEIR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE PRODUCT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

SO I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GOOD, BUT I THINK WE CAN ALSO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE THE DECISION, AND WE CAN SAY, EVERYBODY WHO GOT MORE THAN 70 POINTS IS GONNA GET A LETTER OF SUPPORT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL WILL MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION WHEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL LATER ON.

AND, UM, VETO, HOW DOES, UH, DEEPER AFFORDABILITY SCORING AFFECT AN APPLICANT'S CHANCES FOR APPROVAL AT THE STATE LEVEL THEN? SO I THINK YOU JUST ANSWERED THIS, BUT JUST, JUST CLARIFY FOR ME AGAIN.

IS IF 10% OF THE, THE UNITS ARE AT 30%, THAT'S HOW THEY MAXIMIZE THE POINTS.

JUST TRIPLE CHECK.

HE DID.

UM, SO THERE ARE MAXIMUMS AT THE STATE, AND THE MAX, THE CURRENT MAXIMUM ON 30% UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE,

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SO IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL, UM, UNITS AT THAT LEVEL, THEY STILL MAXIMIZE THE POINTS ONCE THEY REACH THE 10% THRESHOLD.

NOW, THERE'S, THERE'S RULES BEING PROPOSED IN, IN DIFFERENT BILLS AT CONGRESS THAT COULD CHANGE THAT.

UM, BUT UNTIL THEY, THEY GET APPROVED, THEY'RE NOT A REALITY.

UM, AND SO THE CURRENT POINT SYSTEM, AND AGAIN, THEY'LL BE FINAL AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, IS MAXIMIZING THE AFFORDABILITY POINTS AT THE CURRENT THRESHOLDS, WHICH HAD MIRRORED THE ORIGINAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

UM, SO IF THEY DO EXTRA AFFORDABILITY, IT'S HELPFUL TO US AS A COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S NOT HELPFUL TO THEM AT THE POINTS BECAUSE AS SOON AS THEY GOT 10%, THEY MAXIMIZE THE POINTS AT THE STATE ON THAT PARTICULAR CATEGORY.

BUT RO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY RECEIVE ADDITIONAL INCENTIVES IF THEY'RE AWARDED THESE TAX CREDITS.

RIGHT.

THERE'S A CAP.

UM, SO THEY RECEIVE WHAT THEY RECEIVE BASED ON THE PRO FORMA, AND THERE'S A CAP OF HOW MUCH THEY GET AT, AT THE STATE.

UH, NO MORE THAN 1.5 MILLION PER DEVELOPMENT.

PERFECT.

UM, AND, UH, I, I KNOW COUNCILMAN BRAVO WANTS TO CHIME IN AGAIN, BUT COUNCILMAN VRAN WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY, AND WE TOLD HER LAST TIME THAT WE WOULD, UH, READ HER STATEMENT, ALTHOUGH SHE HAS NOT SEEN THIS REVISED PROPOSAL.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT SHE HAD SUBMITTED THIS BEFORE, AND I'LL JUST, UH, READ IT INTO THE RECORD TODAY.

NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING STAFF IS PROVIDING THE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE WITH AN UPDATE REGARDING A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CITY'S CURRENT HOUSING TAX CREDIT POLICY THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY COUNCILMAN CASTILLO LAST WEEK DURING NHS D'S BRIEFING ON THEIR RECOMMENDED REVISIONS.

MAINTAINING PUBLIC TRUST IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR ME, AND LAST MINUTE AMENDMENTS WITHOUT PROPER VETTING COULD BE DETRIMENTAL WHEN DIRECTING PRIVATE CAPITAL TOWARD THE DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION OF AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, INCLUDING FAMILIES, ELDERLY RESIDENTS, AND OTHER SPECIAL POPULATIONS WITH LOW INCOME.

FROM JULY THROUGH OCTOBER, N H S D NOT ONLY MET WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY TO DISCUSS THEIR PRIORITIES FOR THE H T C POLICY, CITY STAFF WENT OUT AND GATHERED AND PUT BY SURVEYING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPERS AND SERVICE PROVIDERS.

THEY ALSO MET WITH COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS AND COMMUN AND HOUSING COMMISSIONERS BRIEFED THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

TASK FORCE ISSUED A PUBLIC SURVEY THROUGH ESSAY, SPEAKUP HOSTED A HYBRID IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING, AND HELD A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR THE DRAFT POLICY, ENSURING TRANSPARENCY IN OUR PUBLIC PROCESS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT NEARLY 20% OF OUR CITY'S RESIDENTS LIVE IN POVERTY, AND THIS IS ALARMING.

I AM IN FAVOR OF BRINGING THESE TOPICS TO A COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE CONVERSATIONS ON WAYS TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, CONVERSATIONS THAT INCLUDE EDUCATION, BECAUSE 18% OF SANTON LACK A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA CONVERSATIONS THAT INCLUDE WAGES AND GENDER, GENDER WAGE GAP, BECAUSE 55% OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS LIVING IN POVERTY HAVE SINGLE WOMEN HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD CONVERSATIONS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND GO THROUGH OUR PUBLIC PROCESS.

IN CLOSING, I I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE CURRENT HOUSING TAX CREDIT POLICY AND SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY'S HOUSING TAX CREDIT POLICY AND FORWARDING THE POLICY TO FULL COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DIALOGUE AND CONSIDERATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY, UM, COUNCILWOMAN VIE, AND I BELIEVE RUBEN HAS A, A COPY FOR THE CITY CLERK TO GO INTO THE RECORD.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS BEFORE.

UH, AND SO I WANNA THANK COUNCILMAN CASTILLO AND THE STAFF, UH, IN PARTICULAR FOR, FOR HURRYING AND DOING THIS WITHIN A WEEK AND MEETING WITH SO MANY PEOPLE.

UM, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN BRAVO BECAUSE I I KNOW HE HAS SOME FOLLOW UP.

GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.

WHATEVER, IS THAT THE OPTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

UH, I SAW JOSE GONZALEZ OUT HERE, I THINK WITH ALAMO COMMUNITY GROUP, AND I, I KNOW WE HADN'T TALKED BEFOREHAND AND YOU WEREN'T PREPARED TO SPEAK, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK, SEE IF YOU WOULD BE MIND APPROACHING THE PODIUM AND ASK, ANSWERING A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT YOU ALL HAVE DONE.

AND I'LL JUST KEEP TALKING WHILE YOU'RE HEADING UP THERE.

UM, MR. GONZALEZ, YOU, UH, AND MR. GONZALEZ IS, UH, ONE OF THE DISTRICT ONE APPOINTEES TO, UH, THE BOND COMMITTEE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I KNOW YOU ALL DID A, A PROJECT RECENTLY WITH A 9% TAX CREDIT DOWNTOWN, AND I WANTED TO ASK WHAT PERCENT UNITS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, ARE 30% A M I, UM, SURE.

AND THAT YOU, IN THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, 10%, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT PROJECT IS? I'M SORRY.

I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT.

OH, I'M SORRY.

IT'S CALLED THE MUSEUM RATES LOFTS, AND IT IS A 9% TAX CREDIT APPLICATION.

UM, THE, UM, TOTAL NUMBER OF, OF 30% A M I UNITS.

AND THAT PROJECT IS 10%.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE THRESHOLD REQUIREMENT TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND TO GET THE POINTS IS 10% OF THE UNITS AT 30 40% OF THE UNITS AT 50 OR BELOW INCLUSIVE OF THAT 30, AND THEN THE BALANCE AT 60%.

SO AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE THRESHOLD REQUIREMENTS, YOUR APPLICATION IS COMPETITIVE, ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY MIGHT WANNA ADD TO DEAL WITH, SAY, LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE SHIP OR

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BUT THE BASELINE IS, IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE 10% OF YOUR UNITS AT 30%.

GOT IT.

SO THEN, UH, AND I, I APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.

GREAT.

UM, SO I GUESS THEN A QUESTION I HAVE FOR, FOR EVERYBODY HERE IS THAT WE CONSIDER, GIVEN WHAT HE JUST SAID, IT WAS 10% AT 30% A M I, BUT THEY HAD A LOT OF AFFORDABILITY AT DIFFERENT LEVELS THERE, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT THIS MAY BE A, THIS IS A MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT NARROW IN SCOPE.

AND SO THAT THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A BROAD MIX THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD REALLY HELP US ACHIEVE OUR SHIP GOALS AS OPPOSED TO, UH, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE SECOND CATEGORY, 15% UNITS AT 30% A M I OR, WELL, I GUESS NO, THE THIRD, THE THIRD CATEGORY.

I GUESS IF YOU WANNA GET 15 POINTS, YOU COULD DO 30% A M I OR 40% OR 50%, BUT THERE'S NO COMBINATIONS THERE, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION.

COUNCILMAN, I WANTED TO ADD WITH REFERENCE TO ALAMO COMMUNITY GROUPS PROJECT, WHICH IS A FABULOUS PROJECT.

THE CITY WAS A BIG PARTNER ON THAT, AND WE PROVIDED T FUNDING, WE PROVIDED FEE WAIVERS, SO THEY DID GET THE 9% TAX CREDIT, BUT THEY GOT ADDITIONAL, UM, LEVERAGE FUNDING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO HELP MEET THAT DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

SO WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT CAME BACK TO COUNCIL AND WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MET THOSE AFFORDABILITY LEVELS.

UH, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BRAVO.

UH, CERTAINLY THE GRADING CRITERIA WASN'T PROVIDED TO OUR OFFICE TILL AFTER WE SUBMITTED THE AMENDMENTS.

UH, AND THEN THIS STILL HASN'T BEEN PRESENTED TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

UH, SO IF WE WOULD'VE SEEN IT, IT WOULD'VE DEFINITELY SHAPED THINGS.

THREE, WHICH IS A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE EMERGENCY HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND EVICTION PREVENTION UPDATE.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, UM, CASTILLO, AND, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU STAFF AND I, I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS, UH, IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES AND THANK YOU, UH, TO EVERYBODY WHO REACHED OUT, INCLUDING NONPROFIT AND, AND DEVELOPERS, UH, FOR BEING WILLING TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE.

I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS.

UM, WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

WE COME AND WE SPEAK HERE AND WE SHARE ALL OF THE IDEAS, AND THEN WE WORK WITH STAFF TO GET TO A HAPPY MEDIUM THAT IS A RESOLUTION FOR EVERYONE.

AND, AND IT DOES MOVE US A LITTLE CLOSER TO OUR GOALS.

SO, I'M, UH, HAPPY WITH TODAY'S RECOMMENDATION, AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND TAKE THIS UP FOR A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING THIS FORWARD TO FULL COUNSEL FOR NOVEMBER THE 18TH SESSION.

IT LOOKS LIKE MOTION CARRIES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, VERO, AND THANK YOU COUNCILMAN CASTILLO AGAIN FOR YOUR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER

[3 Briefing and possible action on the Emergency Housing Assistance Program (EHAP) and Eviction Prevention Update. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services]]

LORI, WITH, UM, THE HOLIDAYS COMING NEAR, I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT EVICTION AND MAKING SURE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS.

SO I'VE ASKED PHARAOH TO PROVIDE YOU ALL AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE, WHETHER EAP PROGRAM AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE EVICTION COURTS.

AND WE'LL COME BACK IN DECEMBER WITH ANOTHER UPDATE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE MONITORING AND KEEPING YOU ALL AWARE OF.

APPLYING TO THE STATE'S TEXAS EVICTION DIVERSION PROGRAM.

THANK YOU, LAURIE.

UM, SO THIS IS AN UPDATE ON BOTH THE EMERGENCY HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND OUR EFFORTS TO MITIGATE EVICTION.

UM, AND SO GOING TO THIS SLIDE, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE HAD OUR EMERGENCY HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IN PLACE SINCE APRIL 23RD, 2020.

AND IT WAS CREATED IN RESPONSE TO C OVID 19 AS WE KNEW THERE WOULD BE ECONOMIC IMPACTS TO OUR RESIDENTS.

UH, ELIGIBILITY CURRENTLY IS FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND BEXAR COUNTY RESIDENTS.

WE DO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY WHERE WE SERVE FOR RENT PURPOSES, UH, NON-CITY RESIDENTS WHO ARE BEXAR COUNTY RESIDENTS.

WE DO STILL REQUIRE C OVID 19 HARDSHIP, AND WE SERVE FAMILIES AT OR BELOW 80% A M I.

AND WHAT WE PROVIDE WITH THE CITY PROGRAM IS RENTAL OR MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE, UTILITY ASSISTANCE, AND, UM, ALSO HAVE BENEFIT NAVIGATORS, HELP FAMILIES FIND OTHER BENEFITS THAT THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR, BE THEY LOCAL, STATE, OR FEDERAL.

WITH REGARDS TO OUR DASHBOARD, OF COURSE, WE PUT THIS TOGETHER LAST WEEK.

SO AS OF, TO DATE, IT'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT FROM LAST WEEK, WE HAD HELPED, UH, OVER 51,000 FAMILIES AND DISTRIBUTED OVER $155.5 MILLION IN ASSISTANCE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN WITH THE BULK OF THE FUNDING GOING TO RENT OR MORTGAGE.

AND SO THE DASHBOARD IS AVAILABLE IN REAL TIME SO ANYONE CAN, CAN SEE THE DASHBOARD AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT.

WE ALSO ARE MONITORING THE TEXAS RENT RELIEF PROGRAM, AND THIS IS HOW MUCH ASSISTANCE HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY

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THE STATE PROGRAM.

IT'S CALLED TEXAS RENT RELIEF, AND THIS IS HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS, OVER 18,000 HOUSEHOLDS, AGAIN, AS OF LAST WEEK, WITH OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS PROVIDED FOR THIS PROGRAM.

UM, NOW THE TEXAS RENT RELIEF PROGRAM DID STOP TAKING APPLICATIONS AT THEIR ONLINE PORTAL.

THEY LET US KNOW, UM, AND WE HAVE STOPPED MAKING REFERRALS TO THEM.

ANYONE WHO HAS SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION IS STILL BEING PROCESSED AT THE STATE.

THEY'RE JUST NOT ACCEPTING NEW APPLICATIONS.

AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT IN LOOKING AT ALL THE APPLICATIONS IN THE PIPELINE, THEY DETERMINE THAT IF EVERYONE GETS APPROVED, THEY'LL BE OUT OF FUNDING.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S THE REASON THAT TEXAS RENT RELIEF PROGRAM IS, IS, UM, NOT TAKING NEW APPLICATIONS FOR OUR LOCAL PROGRAM.

AGAIN, UH, COUNCIL CHANGED THE ALLOWANCES IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.

SO WE DO OFFER EITHER NINE OR SIX MONTHS OF RENTAL AND MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE DEPENDING ON THE FAMILIES A M I LEVEL.

SO THOSE WITH INCOMES AT OR BELOW 50% OF OUR AREA MEDIA INCOME ARE THE ONES WE ASSIST WITH MORE MONTHS.

SO DEEPER, UM, MORE HELP FOR THOSE WITH DEEPER NEED GAUGED BY THE INCOME.

AND AGAIN, WE PAY THE WHOLE CURRENT BILL FOR C P S AND SAUCE.

WE DON'T SAY, YOU KNOW, IS IT TWO MONTHS OR IS IT THREE MONTHS? WHATEVER THE BILL IS, WE MAKE PEOPLE WHOLE WHEN WE PAY THEIR UTILITY BILL.

AND THEN THE CURRENT MONTH BILL FOR INTERNET SERVICE AS WELL.

SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT PROGRAM AND OUR ALLOWANCES.

AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS TRACKING, OF COURSE, BY COUNCIL DISTRICT.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS AS OF LAST WEEK.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE IMPACTED FAMILIES IN EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT IN THE COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN SEE THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE, HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS PER, UH, DISTRICT, AND HOW MUCH FUNDING IN TOTAL BY COUNCIL DISTRICT.

ALL OF THIS AS WELL, IS AVAILABLE ON OUR DASHBOARD.

WE EVEN HAVE HOW MANY FAMILIES WE'VE ASSISTED WITH THE COUNTY PROGRAM.

AND AGAIN, THE COUNTY PROGRAM IS ONLY FOR RENT.

UM, THE COUNTY, LIKE THE CITY, RECEIVES FEDERAL FUNDING FROM US TREASURY, AND THEY HAVE ASKED US TO CONTINUE ASSISTING COUNTY RESIDENTS.

AND THEY HAD PROVIDED 5.5 MILLION.

SO ON THURSDAY'S A SESSION, YOU'LL SEE AN ITEM TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 4.14, 4.4 MILLION, UM, SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO ASSIST COUNTY RESIDENTS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THE PARTNERSHIP.

SO WITH REGARDS TO OUR FUNDING, WE'RE IN PHASE FOUR.

PHASE FOUR IS WHERE A LOT OF THE US TREASURY FUNDING HAS COME IN.

WE CALL THIS THE EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE ONE, AND EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE, TWO E R A ONE AND E R A TWO.

AND WE ARE ONE OF THE CITIES THAT HAS EXPANDED 100% OF OUR E R A ONE.

NOT EVERY COMMUNITY HAS EXPENDED THAT, BUT WE STILL HAVE FUNDING REMAINING.

AND THIS IS A COMBINATION OF A LOT OF LOCAL AND STATE RESOURCES.

WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS FIRST STARTED, ABOUT HALF THE MONEY WAS LOCAL MONEY FROM THE TS, FROM THE GENERAL FUND, FROM THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST.

AND ONLY IN DECEMBER OF 2020 DID WE HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING COME IN.

SO WE RECEIVED AROUND 45, ALMOST 46 MILLION IN DECEMBER, FEBRUARY, UM, WHEN JANUARY, WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA GET AN ADDITIONAL.

AND SO IN FEBRUARY, WE APPROPRIATED THAT FUNDING.

THIS ONLY REFLECTS THE CURRENT FUNDING.

IT DOES NOT REFLECT IF WE ADD THE 4.4 MILLION FROM THE COUNTY.

UM, BUT THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN.

I MENTIONED THE FUNDING SOURCES.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST PHASE HALF OF IT, LOCAL MONEY AND THE OTHER HALF FEDERALLY SOURCED.

UM, WE USE SOME CARES ACT MONEY, THE C D B G CARES ACT FUNDING.

WE USE SOME OF OUR C D B G MONEY AS WELL.

AND THEN FOR PHASE FOUR, WE HAVE SOME GENERAL FUND IN C D B G, STARTING OCTOBER ONE, WE ADDED THAT.

THAT IS HELPING US ADDRESS MORTGAGES.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE TREASURY FUNDING AMOUNTS THE ALMOST A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS I REFERENCED WITH E R A AND THEN THE COUNTY TREASURY E R A MONEY AS WELL.

AND SO WE'LL UPDATE THIS FOR NEXT MONTH.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE EHAP PROGRAM, WE STARTED OUR EVICTION PROGRAM IN JUNE OF 2020.

AND AGAIN, UM, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE FRONTLINE AT EVICTION COURTS BECAUSE FILINGS ARE, ARE SOMETHING WE'RE TRACKING.

VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

AND AS I MENTIONED, WITH THE TEXAS RENT RELIEF PROGRAM, CLOSING THEIR APPLICATION PORT PORTAL, WE ARE HELPING FAMILIES STILL APPLY TO OUR PROGRAM, BUT WE'RE NO LONGER, UH, DOING THE REFERRALS TO THE TEXAS RENT RELIEF PROGRAM AT THE STATE.

HOWEVER, UM, THERE WAS A VERY IMPORTANT EMERGENCY ORDER BY THE SUPREME COURT OF TEXAS ISSUED IN SEPTEMBER THAT WAS SENT TO ALL OFFICERS OF THE COURT.

AND THIS EXTENDED PROTECTIONS TO ALL TENANTS APPLYING FOR ANY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

IT WASN'T LIMITED TO JUST THOSE

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SO OUR TEAM IS PROVIDING THAT DOCUMENTATION.

ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROTECTIONS EXTENDED IS THAT THE EVICTION RECORDS ARE SEALED.

UM, EVICTIONS ARE KIND OF LIKE BAD CREDIT SCORE.

THEY FOLLOW YOU AROUND FOR MANY YEARS.

AND SO THE ABILITY TO SEAL THE EVICTION IS ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH IT DOES NOT BECOME A BARRIER FOR SOMEONE A YEAR FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET HOUSING.

AND SO OUR TEAM AT THE EVICTION COURTS IS ACTIVELY SENDING THIS INFORMATION.

MATTER OF FACT, IT'S ONE OF THE POINTS WE SEND IN THE AUTOMATIC, AUTOMATIC EMAIL NOTIFICATIONS WE GIVE TO EVERYONE WHO'S A PARTY TO AN EVICTION.

SO AGAIN, OUR PROGRAM LAUNCHED IN JUNE OF 2020.

ALSO A RESPONSE TO C OVID 19.

OUR GOAL IS TO PREVENT AND MITIGATE EVICTION.

AND WE HAVE THOSE HOUSING NAVIGATORS AT EVERY JUSTICE OF THE PEACE COURT, AND THEY DO OUTREACH TO EVERY PARTY OF AN EVICTION, THE LANDLORD, THE TENANT, ANY FILING.

WE GET THE INFORMATION WITH A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY, AND WE'RE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THAT DATA WHERE THERE'S HOTSPOTS FOR EVICTIONS.

SO WE CAN DO DEDICATED OUTREACH AT THOSE LOCATIONS AS WELL.

SO WE HELP BOTH COUNTY AND CITY RESIDENTS, AND WE OFFER STILL ONSITE APPLICATION ASSISTANCE.

AND SINCE OCTOBER, OUR TEAM HAS BEEN VERY BUSY PARTNERING WITH C P S AND SAW US AT ALL THEIR DISTRICT EVENTS, AND THEN DOING ADDITIONAL OUTREACH EVENTS, NOT JUST FOR COUNCIL OFFICES THAT HAVE HOSTED THEM, BUT ALSO, UH, CONGRESS, CONGRESSMAN CASTRO HAD AN EVENT, AND WE WERE THERE.

UH, WE HAD AN EVENT WITH A STATE REP AS WELL.

AND SO OUR, OUR TEAM IS OUT AT THE COMMUNITY DOING A LOT OF, UH, EVENTS, SOMETIMES TWO EVENTS PER WEEKEND.

AND WE CONTINUE TO REFER OF COURSE, CLIENTS FOR LEGAL AID.

'CAUSE WE DO HAVE OUR TENANTS RIGHTS, UM, TEAM THAT HELPS US WITH, UM, ALL THE LEGAL ISSUES THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE.

AND SO THE OUTCOMES THAT WE'RE TRACKING, WE'VE ALREADY IMPROVED THE DATA SHARING BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

AND WE TRACK ALL OUR CASES.

AND AGAIN, WITH OUR STAFF BEING AT EVERY JP COURT, HERE'S SOME OF OUR OUTCOMES.

AND THIS IS JUST STARTING OCTOBER ONE.

SO JUST SHOWING YOU, UH, SINCE OCTOBER, WHAT HAS HAPPENED, UM, WHAT CASES HAVE BEEN DISMISSED, WHICH ARE DEFAULT JUDGMENTS AND DEFAULTS ARE WHEN THE TENANT DOESN'T SHOW UP.

SO THE JUDGMENT IS AGAINST THEM, UH, WHEN WE HAVE JUDGMENTS FOR THE PLAINTIFFS AND OTHERS.

SO WE'RE TRACKING HOW WE'RE DOING AND HOW OUR INTERVENTIONS ARE HELPING.

IN MANY CASES, THE FACT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HELP WITH EAP PREVENTS AN EVICTION FROM MOVING FORWARD IN A FAMILY LOSING THEIR HOUSE.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A GRAPHICAL, GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF OUR OUTCOMES BY TYPE, WHEN WE HAVE DISMISSALS JUDGEMENTS FOR THE PLAINTIFFS OR DEFAULTS OR OTHER OUTCOMES.

ANOTHER COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A POSTPONEMENT, ET CETERA.

AND MOST IMPORTANT FOR US, WE'RE TRACKING THE NUMBER OF EVICTION FILINGS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND OF COURSE, THE BEST GAUGE IS WHAT OUR, UH, PRE PANDEMIC EVICTION LEVELS WERE.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THREE LINES.

'CAUSE WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT 2019.

2020 WAS A VERY ODD YEAR.

THERE WAS A PAUSE IN MANY EVICTIONS.

WE HAD THE C D C EVICTION MORATORIUM, BUT AFTER OCTOBER ONE, THOSE PROTECTIONS WENT AWAY.

AND SO WE ARE TRACKING AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE AN UPTICK.

UM, AND SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO TRACK THIS AND CONTINUE TO HAVE A PRESENCE AT THE COURT.

WE STILL HAVE NOT HEARD FROM HUD ABOUT OUR APPLICATION FOR A GRANT.

UH, WE'RE VERY ANXIOUS TO GET THAT.

UM, WE DON'T THINK WE'LL HEAR UNTIL SOMETIME IN DECEMBER.

UM, BUT WE CONTINUE TO, TO CHECK THE PORTAL EVERY DAY, IT SEEMS LIKE, TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR APPLICATION GETS DUE.

UM, NOTICE, AND OF COURSE, WE STILL HAVE MONEY.

WE HAVE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM US TREASURY.

THE REALLOCATION GUIDANCE CAME OUT, UM, EARLIER IN THE MONTH.

UM, AND SO THE DEADLINE WAS TO SUBMIT BY NOVEMBER 15TH, A REQUEST.

AND OF COURSE, WAY BEFORE THE DEADLINE, WE HAD SUBMITTED A REALLOCATION REQUEST SO THAT IF ANOTHER COMMUNITY IS NOT SPENDING THE MONEY QUICKLY OR SPENDING THE MONEY AT ALL, IT CAN BE UTILIZED IN OUR CITY, UM, TO HELP THE RESIDENTS THAT TRULY NEED IT.

AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, VERO.

I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, THE UPDATE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

HOW IS SOMEONE, HOW OFTEN IS SOMEONE ABLE TO AP APPLY FOR THIS PROGRAM? SO OUR LIMITATION IS THE ALLOWANCES THAT I SHARED.

SO THE NINE MONTHS.

UM, AND WHAT WE WERE DOING, IF SOMEONE NEEDED MORE HELP, WE USED TO REFER THEM TO T R R.

UM, WE PAY, UM, MORE QUICKLY THAN THEY DO.

UM, SO THEY'RE TAKING ABOUT THREE MONTHS TO PROCESS PAYMENTS.

WE'RE TAKING 30 DAYS OR LESS.

UM,

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AND SO THERE WOULD BE A CROSS REFERRAL, BUT NINE MONTHS IN TOTAL IS WHAT OUR ALLOWANCE IS.

IF SOMEONE IS FACING EVICTION, OUR POLICY DOES ALLOW US TO HELP THOSE FAMILIES.

I JUST, I HAVE TO APPROVE THOSE.

UM, AND SO EVERY DAY I DO APPROVE A FEW THAT ARE BEYOND NINE MONTHS BECAUSE THEY'RE FACING EVICTION AND WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE, UM, THROWN OUT JUST BECAUSE WE COULDN'T HAVE HER COVER THAT ADDITIONAL MONTH.

THANK YOU, VERO.

AND THEN I KNOW THAT SAHA HAD ASKED FOR ARPA FUNDS TO COVER RENT THAT WAS OWNED BY THEIR RESIDENTS.

ARE SAHA RESIDENTS ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE ASSISTANCE? THEY ARE.

UM, SO THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE EHA ASSISTANCE.

THEY WERE ALSO ELIGIBLE FOR THE TEXAS RENT RELIEF PROGRAM.

AND THE TEXAS RENT RELIEF, A LANDLORD COULD APPLY ON BEHALF OF THE TENANT AS WELL.

SO THEY COULD APPLY.

AND THEN HOW MUCH IS THE CITY CONTRIBUTING ROUGHLY TO EACH BILL? IS THERE A CAP? UM, THERE IS NO CAP.

UH, AGAIN, IT'S THE NUMBER OF MONTHS.

SO THERE'S SOME CHECKS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIAL BECAUSE IF WE'RE PAYING, UM, NINE MONTHS OF RENT, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S, IT CAN BE, UM, 10,000 OR MORE SOMETIMES.

AND THEN FINALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WOULD BE ADDRESSED, BUT, UM, I, I HAD A FRIEND THAT WAS DEVASTATED BECAUSE SHE DROVE BY AND SHE SAW AN EVICTION HAPPENING.

AND, UM, THE COUPLE HAD ALL OF THEIR BELONGINGS OUT ON THE SIDEWALK AND IT WAS RAINING.

UM, AND SO THEIR FURNITURE GOT SOAKED AND THEY WERE ALREADY IN A BAD POSITION.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE EVICTIONS MORE HUMANE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SAYS IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BAD WEATHER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ASK FOR SOME HOLD OR, I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THERE'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT MAKING EVICTIONS MORE HUMANE.

BUT I'D LOVE TO MAYBE PICK YOUR BRAIN ON, ON HOW TO DO THAT.

AND I MEAN, IF, IF THE FORECAST IS CALLING FOR 80% CHANCES OF RAIN, DO WE REALLY WANNA PUT SOMEONE'S BELONGINGS OUT ON THE SIDEWALK? AND SO, UM, SO ANYWAY, SO, SO MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT AND THERE, I KNOW THIS'S NOT, IT'S KIND OF RELATED, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO ASK FOR THAT.

SO I THINK WHEN LORI WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.

GO AHEAD, LORI.

WELL, VERA, COULD YOU BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT WHO IS HANDLING THOSE EVICTIONS AND HOW THEY'RE PROCESSED? SURE.

UM, SO IT REALLY IS THE STATE THAT SETS THE CRITERIA FOR HOW THAT HAPPENS.

UM, THE FILINGS IS A COURT PROCESS, SO IT'S THE JUSTICE OF THE PIECE THAT GET IT.

BUT WHEN AN ACTUAL EVICTION IS SERVED, WHEN SOMEONE HAS TO PHYSICALLY BE REMOVED, UM, IT REALLY IS THE, THE COUNTY.

UM, AND SOMETIMES IT'S THE CONSTABLES, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHO DOES THAT.

SO IT IS A POLICE PRESENCE, IF YOU WILL, BUT IT'S NOT THE CITY.

UM, AND YES, THAT'S, UM, IT'S REALLY ROUGH.

IT BREAKS MY HEART ANYTIME I HEAR THOSE STORIES ALSO.

UM, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING ON HOW WE CAN DO THIS, UM, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOVERNED BY THE STATE, OF COURSE, UH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THEN THE JUDICIAL PROCESS REALLY, UM, HOPEFULLY WE GET THAT GRANT FROM HUD, I'M MM-HMM.

KIND OF BANKING ON THAT.

UM, 'CAUSE WE'VE SUBMITTED SUCH A STRONG APPLICATION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND, AND FIGURE OUT A, A BETTER WAY.

BUT IT REALLY IS ADVOCACY AT THE STATE.

MM-HMM.

THAT CAN HELP US.

AND WE'LL CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO.

YEAH, I'D LOVE TO, TO DO THAT.

AND MAYBE WE CAN BRING THAT UP AT, AT I G R ALSO, SO.

THANK YOU VERO.

AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN CUR WHO HAS SOME QUESTIONS.

AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE DO THAT? SO, YES, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN FOR REMINDING ME.

UH, SO AS PART OF OUR OCTOBER 1ST ADOPTED BUDGET, UH, WE DO HAVE RELOCATION ASSISTANCE.

SO WE HAVE ADDED $400,000 FOR THAT.

AND SO FAMILIES THAT WE COULDN'T HELP FOR SOME REASON, OR THE EVICTIONS STILL MOVE FORWARD, WE TAP INTO THAT RELOCATION ASSISTANCE, AND WE HELP THEM FIND ANOTHER LOCATION THAT'S AFFORDABLE TO THEM.

WE DO HELP WITH A DEPOSIT AND TWO MONTHS OF RENT TO TRY AND STABILIZE FAMILIES.

SO OUR RELOCATION HOUSING NAVIGATOR HAS BEEN QUITE BUSY ASSISTING WITH THAT.

COULD IT INCLUDE, FOR EXAMPLE, FINDING, UH, A RENTAL, UH, AT, AT ONE OF THESE RENTAL PLACES WHERE THEY COULD STORE THEIR FURNITURE OR THEIR PRIVATE BELONGINGS INSTEAD OF LEAVING THEM OUT ON A STREET? CAN, CAN WE ASSIST IN THE COST IN DOING THAT THROUGH THIS? YES, SIR.

WE CAN.

UM, AND, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF OUR RELOCATION PACKAGE.

SO WE DO PAY FOR STORAGE.

UM, SOMETIMES WE PAY FOR MOVING, UH, FEES AS WELL TO MAKE IT EASIER MM-HMM.

AND SO WE DO PAY FOR, FOR THOSE KIND OF THINGS AS WELL.

OR SOMETHING IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE'VE PUT INTO EAP.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR DISCUSSION THAT WE RECEIVED, I THINK, FOUR AND A HALF MILLION, 4.4 MILLION

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UH, DO YOU THINK THAT REPRESENTS THE, THE MONEY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SAYING OTHER CITIES HAVEN'T PAID? AND SO THE REALLOCATING THAT TO US, OR DO YOU THINK THAT'S COMING DOWN THE LINE? UH, THE, THE MONEY WE ASK FOR IS REALLOCATED IS COMING DOWN THE LINE.

THE 4.4 IS MONEY THAT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS THAT THEY'RE GRANTING TO US SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE RENT.

SO IT'S MONEY THAT THEY RECEIVE THAT AS, UH, E R A ONE.

AND SO THE COUNTY WANTS US TO CONTINUE HELPING FAMILIES WITH RENT.

SO THAT'S THE MONEY FOR REALLOCATION.

UH, WE DO NOT EXPECT TO HEAR BACK FROM US TREASURY UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER 30TH, BECAUSE ACTUALLY THAT'S A DEADLINE.

UM, WHEN A CITY THAT'S NOT DOING WELL CAN SUBMIT A, UM, WHAT'S CALLED AN IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

UM, SO IN ESSENCE, THEY'RE LIKE, UM, WARNED THAT IF THEY DON'T COME UP WITH AN IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THEIR MONEY WILL BE TAKEN AWAY AND GIVEN TO OTHER COMMUNITIES.

SO UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER 30TH IS WHEN WE EXP EXPECT, EXPECT TO HEAR ABOUT REALLOCATION FUNDING.

SO THEY'LL GIVE ALL THOSE CITIES A, A SECOND CHANCE, SO TO SPEAK, AND SAY, YOU NEED TO SHOW US A BETTER PLAN IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT MONEY AND USE IT.

CORRECT.

AND IF CITIES SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING ELSE, THEN THEY TAKE IT BACK AND REALLOCATE IT.

THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.

THAT'S THE PROCESS.

SO MAYBE BY THE END OF THE YEAR OR THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, WE MAY HEAR IF THERE'S A LITTLE MORE COMING IN.

YES, SIR.

I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A, A GREAT JOB.

I WAS REALLY PLEASED TO SEE WHAT THE STATE HAS DONE, 18,000 FAMILIES AND A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, THAT'S A REALLY SIGNIFICANT STATE CONTRIBUTION TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN BEXAR COUNTY.

SO, UH, ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN COURAGE DO OF MY CO UH, COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

UH, THANK YOU CHAIR.

AND THANK YOU Y VERO FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE EVICTION FILINGS, UH, STARTING IN SEPTEMBER OF 1,366, UH, OCTOBER, ONE OF THE HIGHEST 1,531.

AND WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL COUNT 'CAUSE OF, OF NOVEMBER, 'CAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF NOVEMBER, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE SEEING A INCREASE OF EVICTIONS GOING INTO WINTER.

UM, AND I'M, I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH THAT.

UM, I, I, I KNOW THERE'S POLICY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE CAN HAVE AS A COUNCIL TO MITIGATE EVICTIONS.

UH, LAST WEEK I WAS AT A EDGEWOOD I S G, UH, WOMEN LEADERSHIP, UM, EVENT.

RIGHT.

IT WAS HONORING THE, THE MOMS AND THEAS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE PARENT TEACHER ASSOCIATION.

AND, UM, THEY GAVE ME AN INTRODUCTION AT THE END.

I'M ABOUT TO HEAD OUT.

AND THIS, UH, THEA COMES UP TO ME LIKE ALMOST IN TEARS, UM, THAT SHE'S FACING EVICTION AND SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

UM, AND I'M CONCERNED, RIGHT? I JUST HAPPENED TO BE THERE AND SHE CAME UP TO ME.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FAMILIES WHO DON'T KNOW TO REACH OUT TO THEIR COUNCIL, DON'T KNOW TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

AND I KNOW ABOUT IN THE MIDST OF COVID WHEN IT FIRST KICKED OFF, I'M NOT TOO SURE IF IT WAS N H S G AND, UH, D H S, UM, THERE WAS OUTREACH, UM, UH, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS HAD BEEN COMMISSIONED TO GO DOOR TO DOOR AND SURVEY COMMUNITY IF THEY HAD BEEN FINANCIALLY IMPACTED BY C OVID 19.

UM, WAS THAT FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT? AND IS THERE OPPORTUNITY TO USE ARPA FUNDING TO GO BACK OUT IN COMMUNITY? AND RATHER THAN SURVEYING COMMUNITY TO ENTER THE APPLICATIONS USING THE IPADS THAT THE NONPROFITS PURCHASED, UH, TO SURVEY.

SO, UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL EFFORTS THAT DID THAT WORK.

UM, AND A LOT OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY PAID OUT OF THE CARE ACT.

SO IT WAS PART OF, UH, INITIALLY IT WAS PART OF OUR RECOVERY AND RESILIENCY PLAN.

UH, D H S HAD AN EFFORT AROUND THAT.

METRO HEALTH HAD AN EFFORT AROUND THAT, AND OUR DEPARTMENT HAD AN EFFORT AROUND THAT.

AND FOR US, IT WAS OUTREACH INFORMATION AND APPLICATION INTAKE.

UM, BUT ALL THE TEAMS GOING OUT, UM, WERE CO-TRAIN, SO MM-HMM.

SO THEY COULD, IF THEY ENCOUNTERED SOMEONE, IT, IT WAS VACCINE INFORMATION, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUT IF THEY ENCOUNTERED SOMEONE, THEY COULD ALSO SAY, IF YOU ALSO NEED RENTAL ASSISTANCE, HERE'S THE INFORMATION FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE.

D H S WAS DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR, AND IT WAS FUNDED OUT OF THE CARES ACT FUNDING.

UM, AND THEN ONCE WE GOT THE ADDITIONAL, UM, FUNDING, ARPA FUNDING FOR US E R A, OUR CONTRACT ENDED UP BEING FUNDED OUT OF THE, UH, ARPA E R A FUNDING, THE EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE FUNDING OUT OF ARPA.

THAT WE CAN PROCESS MORE QUICKLY.

I THINK WITH ARPA WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THAT, UH, METHOD.

I THINK IT WAS QUITE EFFECTIVE.

UM, BUT DO WE KNOW HOW LONG IT'S TAKING TO PROCESS THE EAP APPLICATIONS? ABOUT HOW MANY DAYS BEFORE SOMEONE IT IS TAKING, UH, AROUND 30 DAYS.

WE DID SEE AN UPTICK IN APPLICATIONS.

UH, ONCE THE DISCONNECTIONS, UM, WERE AVAILABLE, WE SAW AN UPTICK, ALL THE EVENTS THAT WE HAD BEEN DOING.

UM, SO, SO IT'S TAKING US A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

I MEAN, WE GOT DOWN TO 10 DAYS AND NOW IT'S UP TO 30 DAYS AGAIN.

UH, AND AGAIN, THROUGH OUR DASHBOARD, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE, THE TIME IT TAKES, UH, ON AVERAGE FOR BY COUNCIL DISTRICT.

SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, IT IS TAKING ABOUT 30 DAYS, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A HIGH VOLUME.

UM, AND SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT OUR STAFFING SO

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BUT, UH, IF WE BRING NEW PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO TRAIN THEM AND WE LOSE SOME TIME IN THE, THE TRAINING PROCESS.

'CAUSE WE TAKE PEOPLE AWAY FROM PROCESSING TO TRAIN THE NEW STAFF.

COUNCILMAN CASTILLO.

COUNCILMAN, UH, COURAGE WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING? YEAH.

YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT THE CHART HERE AND DOING A ROUGH CALCULATION.

IN MY MIND, IT LOOKED LIKE IN 2019 THERE WERE 15,000 EVICTIONS.

DO YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE HISTORY, IS THAT FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHAT THE AVERAGE NUMBER WAS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC? I'M GONNA HAVE SARAH ADDRESS THAT.

SARAH WAMSLEY LEADS HER EVICTION TEAM.

THANKS, .

YEAH, THANKS COUNCILMAN.

SO IT'S ROUGHLY, ON AVERAGE, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN 2018, WHICH WAS KIND OF A PEAK YEAR FOR BEXAR COUNTY.

UH, WELL, YOU SAID 2018 WAS A PEAK YEAR.

MM-HMM.

DOES THIS, HAS 2019 UP THERE, AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT LOOKS LIKE AROUND 15,000.

WERE THERE EVEN MORE IN 2018? YES, ABOUT 3000 MORE SO.

AND, AND YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS IT, YOU KNOW, 20 17, 16 WAS AROUND 15,000.

I'M LOOKING FOR LIKE AN AVERAGE, UH, YEAR.

YEAH.

SO WE PICKED 2019 AS AN AVERAGE YEAR BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSER TO LIKE 2016 AND 2017.

BUT IF YOU GO BACK FURTHER, UM, YOU'LL SEE A CHART THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A, LIKE A HILL CLIMB.

LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING MORE EVICTIONS OVER TIME IN BEAR COUNTY.

COUNCILMAN, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON FOR OUR RESIDENTS AT HOME? OUR MICROPHONE.

THE MICROPHONE.

SORRY.

IT'S FOR THE RESIDENTS AT HOME.

SO ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 18,000 OR 16,000 A YEAR.

WELL, WE'VE SEEN A DRAMATIC DECLINE OVER THE COURSE OF THE PANDEMIC, AND I SURE WOULD LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THOSE NUMBERS DOWN.

THAT'S A HUGE, THAT'S A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE BEING EVICTED EVERY YEAR.

THOSE ARE FAMILIES.

YOU'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 30, 40,000 PEOPLE INVOLVED IN 15,000 EVICTIONS OR MORE.

UH, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO HAVE US CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE CITY CAN DO TO TRY AND CONTINUE TO KEEP THOSE NUMBERS DOWN AND HELP PEOPLE FROM BEING EVICTED.

UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU'VE DONE A, A STUDY ON WHAT THE CAUSES ARE FOR ALL OF THOSE.

WE'D SURE LIKE TO SEE MORE ABOUT THAT.

SURE.

UM, COUNCILWOMAN, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY BRING YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT EVICTIONS.

WE'VE LOOKED AT THEM VERY CLOSELY, NOT JUST ON A PRACTICAL LEVEL BEING IN THE COURTS, BUT ALSO THROUGH THE FOR EVERYONE HOME INITIATIVE AND THE SHIP.

THERE'S A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE IN THOSE.

UM, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO EVEN BRIEF YOUR OFFICE ON WHAT WE KNOW, UH, TO THIS POINT.

MM-HMM.

COUNCILMAN BARRO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DO.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING HERE AT THIS MATRIX OF EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

AND I'M WONDERING HOW, AS A, HOW CAN MY COUNCIL OFFICE HELP TO GET THE WORD OUT IF WE'RE LOOKING TO GET EVERYBODY TO APPLY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS ARE OVER OR BY THE END OF THE YEAR? WHAT, WHAT MORE CAN COUNCIL OFFICES DO TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT? WELL, WE DO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HEALTH COLLABORATIVE.

SO THAT'S THE AGENCY THAT, UM, GETS GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP US DO THE EDUCATION OUTREACH AND INTAKE.

AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS WITH A COUPLE COUNCIL DISTRICTS WHERE WE SAW A LOT OF, UH, APPLICATION INTAKE.

THEY HAVE A STAFFER, UH, FROM THEIR TEAM BEING IN THE COUNCIL OFFICE.

SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

UH, I KNOW WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WAS HELPING IN THE COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE OFFICE DO THAT.

UM, WE, OF COURSE, IF YOU INVITE US TO DO AN, AN OUTREACH EVENT WITH, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY YOU ALREADY HAVE A, A COUNCIL DISTRICT MEETING, A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING, UM, OUR TEAM IS ABLE TO GO AND DO OUTREACH AND EDUCATION THERE.

UM, BUT JUST REFER FOLKS TO OUR PROGRAM, TO THE ONLINE PORTAL.

UM, AND, AND AGAIN, IF YOU WANT SOMEONE FROM THE HEALTH COLLABORATIVE TO, UH, BE IN YOUR OFFICE, IN YOUR DISTRICT OFFICE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND, AND BE THERE IF PEOPLE WALK IN, UM, THAT'S ONE WAY IN WHICH TO HELP AS WELL.

NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ALSO A BRIEFING ITEM.

COUNCILMAN BRAVO.

AND THAT WAS JUST AN ITEM FOR BRIEFING PURPOSES.

YES, SIR.

SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM

[4 Briefing on an update on the City’s Strategic Housing Implementation Plan (SHIP) public input process and timeline [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Verónica R. Soto, Director, Neighborhood and Housing Services]]

AND IT'S AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS, AND TIMELINE.

AND I BELIEVE, VERO, IT'S YOURS AS WELL, RIGHT? ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA ASK IAN.

VE OH, I LOVE TO DO THIS ONE.

SO THANK YOU, IAN, YOU CAN TAKE BREAK.

AND WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE, UH, CYNTHIA, RIGHT AFTER IAN, GO AHEAD.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.

STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, IAN BETA IS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

I KNOW WE'VE, UH, BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES ON THE

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UM, SO I WANTED TO COME BACK WITH A COUPLE OF UPDATES ON, ON WHAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THE LAST TIME WE'VE MET AND SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE, UH, TO OUR TIMELINE.

SO TO DATE, WE'VE HELD THREE OF OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, UM, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RECORD THOSE AND POST THOSE ONLINE.

THE THREE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN AT THE U T S A WEST SIDE COMMUNITY CENTER, ST.

PHILIPS COLLEGE AND THE EAGLE LIBRARY.

UM, WE HAVE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC MEETING, AND IT'S GONNA BE ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER 4TH AT THE MISSION BRANCH LIBRARY.

THAT'S A WEEKEND.

UM, AND IT'LL, IT'LL, UH, KICK OFF AT AT 9:00 AM OR 10:00 AM 10:00 AM SORRY, 10:00 AM.

UM, AND SO THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD FROM THIS COUNCIL COMMITTEE, UH, LAST WEEK, AS WELL AS SOME FEEDBACK FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

UM, IN LIGHT OF THAT, WE'VE ALSO EXTENDED OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD TO MONDAY, DECEMBER 6TH AT 9:00 AM AND WE HAVE MOVED OUR COUNCIL DATE, UM, FROM DECEMBER 2ND, UH, TO DECEMBER 16TH.

UM, SO REALLY QUICKLY, HERE'S JUST THE TIMELINE, UH, OF WHAT WE'VE DONE AND, AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.

OF COURSE, THIS IS WHEN WE KICKED OFF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT ON NOVEMBER 1ST.

UM, ALL OF OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, UM, THAT WE'VE HAD TO DATE, OUR ADDED PUBLIC MEETING ON THE FOURTH, WHICH WE'LL HAVE, UH, A S L SIGN SIGN LANGUAGE, UH, ALONG WITH THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE HAD AT THE EAGLE LIBRARY.

AND THEN WE WILL BE CLOSING OUR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SIXTH BEFORE GOING TO COUNCIL.

UM, AGAIN, UH, FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, AS WELL AS THIS COMMITTEE, WE WANNA HIGHLIGHT OUR WAYS TO ENGAGE IN THE PLAN.

AND SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD INFORMATION ONLINE.

WE HAVE OUR DRAFT, UH, WHOLE DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS A SUMMARY DOCUMENT AVAILABLE IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH.

UM, AND THAT'S AT THAT LINK RIGHT THERE.

WE HAVE THE AVAIL AVAILABILITY, UM, FOR INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO COMMENT ONLINE, UH, RIGHT THERE IN THE TEXT BOX.

AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, PRESENTATIONS OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.

ALSO AVAILABLE ONLINE, OUR IN-PERSON MEETINGS.

AGAIN, WE'VE ADDED, WE'VE ADDED ANOTHER ONE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE ADDED THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP, UM, SURVEYS OR MATERIAL AT OUR OFFICES OR, OR OUR FINANCIAL AND HOUSING RECOVERY, UM, CENTER.

SO THAT'S OUR OLD OFFICE AT, UM, 1400 SOUTH FLORES, AS WELL AS OUR FINANCIAL AND HOUSING RECOVERY CENTER.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRACK AND UPDATE THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL AS HOUSING COMMISSION ON OUR PROGRESS.

AND YOU CAN BE ABLE TO, TO FOLLOW ALONG ALL THOSE MEETINGS AS WELL AS ON OUR WEBSITE.

AND THAT'S THE LINK FOR THAT.

SO, UH, JUST A QUICK UPDATE.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, IAN.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND BRING UP, UH, OUR SPEAKER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY.

UH, CYNTHIA SPI, YOUR THE FLOOR.

FLOOR'S.

YOURS.

GOOD MORNING, I'M CYNTHIA SPIELMAN.

UM, I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY SAID AS MUCH AS WE CAN POSSIBLY BE SAID ABOUT OUR DISAPPOINTMENT, THE LACK OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

I KNOW SOMEBODY SAID TO US RECENTLY, WELL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S WON.

YOU'VE GOT AN EXTRA WEEK.

AND IT'S LIKE, NO, WE WOULD'VE WON IF WE'D NOT HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

THAT IF THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PRINCIPLES WERE INDEED FOLLOWED BY THE SPIRIT, AND, AND WE HAD A FULL, UM, SENSE OF TRUST IN WHAT, HOW OUR, HOW OUR, UM, UM, INPUT WOULD BE USED.

AND WE HAD TIME TO DIGEST.

I SERVED ON THE SHIP.

UM, I AM PROUD OF THE DOCUMENT THAT WE PRODUCED.

I THINK IF I HAVE YOUR INDULGENCE JUST FOR A MINUTE, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES.

I THINK WE HAD A MEETING SATURDAY AND WE HAD NEIGHBORHOODS FROM DISTRICT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SEVEN.

WE HAVE OUTREACH TO DISTRICT SIX, EIGHT, AND NINE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT COALITIONS AND ALLIANCES TO TALK ABOUT THE SHIP.

UM, I'M TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THE SHIP, BUT ALSO WHAT ARE SOME COMMON CONCERNS.

ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THE LACK OF, UM, THE USE AFFORDABLE, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE STRATEGY, DEVELOP A COORDINATING HOUSING SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING SYSTEM.

BUT I THINK THE MOST GRIEVOUS ONE FOR US IS, UM, THE SECOND, UM, UNDER THAT STRATEGY.

THE SECOND GOAL IS UPDATE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO REMOVE BARRIERS TO HOUSING PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION.

HOUSING PRODUCTION IS ANYTHING FROM AFFORDABLE HOMES TO SEVEN OR SIX CON FOUR STORY CONDOS STUCK ON, UM, ON A LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, STARTING AT $500,000 A PIECE.

UM, THAT KIND OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT DESTABILIZES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT CREATES AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE LAND IS SO IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE HOMES.

UM, INVESTORS BUY THE HOMES, THEY LET THEM DECAY, THEY TEAR 'EM DOWN, AND THEN THEY PUT UP THESE KINDS OF STRUCTURES.

WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE, UM, THE IDEA THAT THIS IS REMOVING BARRIERS TO AFFORDABLE AND EVEN HAVING THAT DEFINED, UM, HOUSING PRODUCTION.

WE'RE ALSO WORRIED ABOUT THE WORD BARRIERS.

UM, AFTER THAT, UH, PROJECT ON CRAIG, WE WERE ABLE THROUGH C C R AND PUBLIC PROCESS TO, UM, GET SOME, UH, CHANGES TO THE U D C CODE.

AND, AND THE BIGGEST CHANGE WAS THAT IF YOU HAVE AN MF 33

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LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL HOME OR NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL HOMES, THERE ARE SOME HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS.

YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO, UH, BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IS IS THAT A BARRIER THAT WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKEN OUT BECAUSE OF THIS? SO YOU CAN SEE AND THE FACT THAT NOW PEOPLE ARE FEELING VERY DISTRUSTFUL AND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA OF INCREASING CITY INVESTMENT IN HOUSING WITH A 10 YEAR FUNDING PLAN.

YOU KNOW, IS THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR ARE WE GONNA COMMIT MORE DOLLARS THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UM, SUCH AS WE HAVE THROUGH CHIP AND PFCS AND, UM, TAX ABATEMENTS.

SO THERE ARE OTHERS, BUT THIS WON'T BE THE LAST, WE'RE STILL COLLECTING INPUT.

THANK YOU, CYNTHIA.

AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF MY COLLEAGUES, I JUST WANNA LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT, THAT WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION ON FRIDAY WITH N H N H S D.

AND, UM, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE A SHIP DRAFT IN THE U R L TO WHERE THEY CAN GIVE FEEDBACK AT ALL OF THE BOND COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE PRINTING PAPER COPIES OF THE SURVEY AND SHIP DOCUMENTS FOR REVIEW TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE WORKING WITH PARTNERING, UH, WITH FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO GET THE WORK WHERE THE WORD OUT.

AND WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR WORKSHOP OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE WORKSHOP OPPORTUNITIES, UM, I HAD ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IS EVEN CONSIDERING HAVING SOMETHING, UM, IN AN ALL SPANISH SETTING.

UH, AND, AND MAYBE PARTICULARLY, WE HAVE ONE SET, UM, COMING UP ON DECEMBER THE FOURTH, I THINK IN THE SOUTH SIDE.

I, I PROPOSED THAT MAYBE ON THE, IN THE WEST SIDE THAT WE, WE DO SOMETHING AS WELL.

UM, SO I'M, I'M HAPPY THAT WE'VE ADDED, UH, PAPER BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT NOT EVERYBODY CAN DO SOMETHING DIGITALLY.

SO I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT.

UM, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE WORKING WITH MARK CARMONA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE METRICS IN THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PRINCIPLES THAT WERE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL.

AND SO, UM, THAT I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I, UH, LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING ON AFTER THE, THE MEETING AND THEN ALSO, UM, AND THAT HELPS GAIN SOME OF THE TRUST BACK, RIGHT? SO LET'S WORK ON THIS TOGETHER SO THAT NEXT TIME THERE, THERE ISN'T, UH, THAT, THAT LACK OF, UM, OF, UH, HOW SHOULD I SAY IT? I MEAN, JUST, JUST, JUST MORE TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT? MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

AND THEN ALSO, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IS IT ON ESSAY SPEAK UP ALREADY? I HADN'T SEEN IT LAST WEEK WHEN I WENT ONLINE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOW ON.

YES, IT, IT IS.

AND WE WILL, UH, WE'LL CONFIRM AND SEND A LINK TO YOUR OFFICE JUST SO YOU HAVE IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, IAN.

AND THEN, UM, ALSO, I, I RECEIVED AN ALARMING, UM, UH, I GUESS CONCERN AND I, I'M SURE THERE WAS SOME SORT OF A MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT WE HAVE MULTIPLE PUBLIC EVENTS.

UM, ALL OF OUR COUNCIL DISTRICT OFFICES HAVE EVENTS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

AND, UM, I, I WAS TOLD THAT SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME, ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES, UH, WANTED TO COME AND DISTRIBUTE, UH, INFORMATION ON THE SHIP AND THAT THEY WERE TOLD THAT THEY COULDN'T ATTEND ONE OF OUR PUBLIC EVENTS.

AND I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WERE AWARE OF THAT, AND I CAN GET OFFLINE AND, AND GIVE YOU ALL DETAILS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY WHO'S HELPING PUSH THE SHIP IN TRYING TO GET PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT CAN PARTICIPATE IN ANY COUNCIL EVENT, UH, OR ANY, ANY COUNCIL EVENT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO, FOR THE BENEFIT OF MY COLLEAGUES TO, TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT, UM, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME MISUNDERSTANDING.

'CAUSE WE CAN'T PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING AND, AND IT'S A PUBLIC EVENT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NO, YOU'RE CORRECT, COUNCILWOMAN.

ANYTIME WE HAVE AN EVENT, UM, GREAT EXAMPLE, I WENT TO THE DISTRICT TWO BOND, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING THAT THE COUNCILMAN HELD, AND I WAS THERE PASSING OUT HARD COPIES OF THE SHIP IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH.

SO ANY EVENT, THANK YOU, THAT CAN HELP US, UM, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ATTEND OR HAVE.

OKAY, GOOD.

JUST MAKING SURE I, I KNOW THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF A CONFUSION THERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO HAVE ANY EVENTS COMING UP IN OUR DISTRICT, I KNOW I HAVE ONE ON WEDNESDAY AND I HAVE ONE WITH COUNCILMAN CAVEO HDA ON FRIDAY, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE COPIES THERE TO PASS OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS.

UM, BUT I I, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAD HEARD OF THAT, BUT GET OFFLINE ON THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND, UH, ANY OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES NEED QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS? GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.

UH, I KNOW THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE DISPERSING THIS QUITE A BIT TO, UH, TO GET OUT, UH, ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN, BUT THIS IS A PLAN AND WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS WITH A PLAN, THE REALLY MEAT OF IT IS IN THE DETAILS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT ARE EXPRESSED TODAY, UH, CAN BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE WRITE ALL THE DETAILS STEP BY STEP, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

SO I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN LEFT OUT WILL RECOGNIZE THERE'S A LOT MORE DETAIL THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THIS PLAN BEFORE IT'S ACTUALLY PUT IN PLACE.

AND PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE MORE INPUT IN, IN THOSE

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DETAILS.

COUNCILMAN CASTILLO? YES.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT IT'S MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST SETTING UP A TABLE AND SAYING WE ARE THERE.

UH, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS CLEAR DIALOGUE, PRESENTATION, AND SUBSTANCE WITH THAT ENGAGEMENT.

UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, WE'RE HEARING COM FROM COMMUNITY ABOUT INPUT, RIGHT? HOW DO WE INTEGRATE THAT COMMUNITY INPUT BEFORE COUNCIL VOTES ON IT? WHAT'S THAT PROCESS? RIGHT? UM, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

COUNCILWOMAN.

UH, AND CERTAINLY THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TODAY AND LAST WEEK, UM, FROM TIER ONE IS REALLY GOOD.

I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR INTENTION WHEN DRAFTING THE DOCUMENT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN.

UM, AND THAT THINGS LIKE A COORDINATED HOUSING SYSTEM AND REMOVING BARRIERS, UM, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THAT.

BUT THAT'S GREAT FEEDBACK.

IF THAT WASN'T CLEAR, THAT'S DEFINITELY CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE.

UM, BUT TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THEY'RE ABLE TO SUBMIT COMMENTS ONLINE.

SO WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF GATHERING THOSE COMMENTS AND THEN MAKING EDITS OR CHANGES.

UM, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY COMMENT WILL LEAD TO A CHANGE.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.

SOME OF THEM ARE MORE COMMENTS AND LESS CHANGES.

UM, WE'LL COMPILE THOSE AND THEN WHEN WE BRING THE THE DOCUMENT FORWARD TO COUNCIL, WE WILL NOTIFY COUNCIL OF WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE FROM THE LAST TIME THEY SAW IT.

AND WHY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD X, Y, Z FROM COMMUNITY.

UH, WE, WE MADE SURE TO, TO UPDATE THE DOCUMENT TO REFLECT THAT.

THANK YOU IAN.

AND I KNOW THIS IS THE GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR THE BOND.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION.

UH, WITH THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY FUNDS OR POTENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY FUNDS FOR HOME REPAIR, WILL THOSE FUNDS BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS AS THE CURRENT PRIMARILY HUD FUNDED REHAB PROGRAMS? OR DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THOSE LAX? UM, WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND I, I THINK THAT ALSO STRESSES A, A REALLY GOOD POINT IN THE SHIP IS THAT EACH ONE OF THESE STRATEGIES, UM, AND EVEN THE TARGET GOALS ARE, UM, KINDA THE FIRST STEP.

UM, WE NEED TO MAYBE IN SOME CASES DEVELOP NEW POLICIES, TWEAK POLICIES, UH, GO THROUGH ANOTHER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY FOR EACH OF THOSE POLICIES.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, UM, SINGLE FAMILY REPAIR PROGRAMS, I THINK IT WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON WHAT THE SPECIFIC GOAL IS.

UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE, UH, SHOTGUN PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE WORKED WITH YOUR OFFICE ON IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN OUR OWNER OCCUPIED GENERAL REHAB PROGRAM.

UM, SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE GOAL OF THE PROGRAM IS AND THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE USED, WHETHER THEY ARE FEDERAL FUNDS OR GENERAL FUNDS, WE MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THERE.

SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER GOING FORWARD, UM, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, WHERE WE CAN, WE'D LIKE TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE, UH, AND LOOK AT I, I, I THINK LASTING AFFORDABILITY, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.

GREAT.

THANKS.

AND DO WE KNOW, UH, IF THE LANGUAGE ON THE BOND FOR THE HOUSING COMPONENT IN PARTICULAR WILL GO TO A SPECIFIC COMMITTEE? DO WE KNOW THAT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD COME HERE .

BUT ALRIGHT.

YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ROD WANTS TO ANSWER AS THE CITY ATTORNEY QUESTION, ANSWER, I'M NOT SURE.

I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU AFTER WE SPEAK WITH LORI, BUT IT'S MY GUESS THAT IT WOULD COME TO THIS COMMITTEE SINCE SEEMS LIKE ALL THE HOUSING UNITED HAVE BEEN COMING TO, TO PLANNING.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS THAT WE WOULD BRING IT HERE, BUT WE CAN CONFIRM AND COME, UM, RESPOND BACK TO YOUR OFFICE.

I, I JUST WANNA STATE THAT I, UM, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT, UM, I GUESS YOU, YOU SAID THAT YOU ALL HAD A MEETING WITH, UM, N H S D AND TIER ONE.

I GUESS I HAD A MEETING.

YOU DID? YES.

I CALLED THE MEETING BECAUSE T ONE, UH, HAD REACHED OUT TO US AND AS A CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, I FIGURED THAT I'D GET N H S D INVOLVED, UM, WITH THEM.

SO, YEAH.

GREAT.

AND, AND ONE THING THAT CAME OUTTA THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA DEVELOP OR CAR, UH, CARMONA WAS GONNA DEVELOP METRICS IN HOW WE'RE MEETING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, AND I LOVE THAT IDEA AND I'M NOW, I'M STARTING TO WONDER, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE TAKE THAT EVEN FURTHER? YOU KNOW, RECENTLY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT C P SS ENERGY, ONE THING I PROPOSED TO THE, UM, TO OUR, OUR NEW, I GUESS NOMINEE TO BE ON THEIR BOARD WAS, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, TYING BONUSES, UH, OR PAY TO INCENTIVES TO, UH, CARBON EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS.

NOW I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS LIKE WHERE WE COULD DO THAT POSSIBLY WITH CITY STAFF IN THE FUTURE AND, AND TYING SOME, UH, BONUSES, SO, UH, TO MEETING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION METRICS.

SO, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE IN THE FUTURE.

THE MODEL RIGHT? GOING FORWARD OUT OF, OUT OF THIS OR OUT OF THE SHIP.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GRAVEL.

AND, UM, SO MARK, UH, WAS COMMITTED TO WORKING AND, AND FIGURING OUT WHAT WE CAN DO.

SO I'M SURE THAT WE'LL GET A FULL PRESENTATION TO THIS COMMITTEE, UM, SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT, AT SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL METRICS.

BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IT WOULD ALSO PROBABLY GO TO OTHER COMMITTEES AS WELL BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL COMMITTEES THAT ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND SO IN, IN, IN REGARDS TO THE SHIP AND TO ANY OF THE STRATEGIES.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH MARK CARMONA.

UM, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN.

WE'LL MAKE SURE TO, TO BRING THAT TO THIS COMMITTEE SO THAT WE COULD GET SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT FOR METRICS AND MAYBE WE COULD REALLY BE

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THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE.

UM, BUT DEFINITELY WITH SOME, SOME ENGAGEMENT FROM, FROM OUR COLLEAGUES AROUND THE TABLE AND FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LEADERS AND, UH, NONPROFITS.

WONDERFUL.

UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND IT WAS JUST A BRIEFING, SO THANK YOU.

UH, OUR FINAL ITEM IS JUST, UH, ANOTHER BRIEFING ITEM.

IT'S JUST A REVIEW OF THE HOUSING

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DASHBOARD, WHICH WE KIND OF ALREADY COVERED, RIGHT? BUT DID IS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, VERO, THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO, UH, I THINK LAST TIME WE SHARED THAT AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE AND SHARE IT.

I THINK IT'S JUST, UM, THAT GRAPHIC, UM, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE SEPARATELY CALLED OUT, BUT IF YOU, I THINK THEY PUT IT IN CASE YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DASHBOARD.

SO CONGRATULATIONS EVERYONE.

AND I THINK WE JUST ASKED FOR IT TO BE UPDATED MONTHLY SO THAT WE COULD ALWAYS HAVE IT IN OUR, IN OUR PACKAGE AND IN CASE THERE ARE QUESTIONS.

AND UM, SO I GUESS I'LL ASK RIGHT NOW TO MY COLLEAGUES, WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE HOUSING DASHBOARD OVERVIEW THAT YOU ALL SAW? NO.

GOOD.

WELL, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

WE ENDED WITH NINE MINUTES AHEAD OF TIME, THIS GO AROUND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WE'LL SEE YOU ALL NEXT TIME.