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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, 2021.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS FISH.
UH, VELAZQUEZ IS, UH, RUNNING LATE.
UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT, UM, FROM TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING.
THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS TO INFORM YOU THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE.
WE ARE LOCATED INSIDE THE INTERPRETER CABIN, RIGHT NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE STORES.
YOU HAVE THE CHAIRMAN STATEMENT? YES.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE-CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM.
THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3 IN ENGLISH OR IN SPANISH.
THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN ENGLISH IN SPANISH.
FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETER SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY.
IN AN EFFORT TO HEAR ALL THE CASES ON THE AGENDA IN A TIMELY MANNER, APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS, AND EACH COMMISSIONER WILL BE LIMITED, LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO CASES FOR TODAY, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS OF BUSINESS.
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UM, THE FIRST IS THE APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 3RD.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR MEETING MINUTES, UH, FOR NOVEMBER 3RD AS SUBMITTED.
I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION AND THEN SECOND.
THE SECOND ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE 2022 H C R C MEETING SCHEDULE, WHICH INCLUDES OUR APPLICATION DEADLINES, UM, THAT WAS PUBLISHED ONLINE AND IS ON THE SCREEN NOW AT THIS TIME, UM, WE JUST NEED AN ACTION TO ADOPT MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED, UH, SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS AND, UM, APPLICATION DEADLINES AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF.
YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WERE THERE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SCHEDULE COMMISSIONER SABINO? NO.
UM, WE HAVE THE CASE LIST FOR TODAY ON THE SCREEN, UM, A FEW UPDATES.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE SOME POSTPONEMENTS ITEM 17, 18, 19, AS WELL AS 26, UM, HAVE BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
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THROUGH OUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13 AND PLAY PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIPT FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO LET'S START WITH A VOICEMAIL RECEIPT FOR ITEM THREE.I LIVE AT 8 1 7 NOLAN, AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WHI HILL FOR THE NINE 11 NORTH PINE AGENDA ITEM.
WE DO NOT AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO SUPPORT THE EAST FACING SECOND LEVEL DECK FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
THE DECK IS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, WHICH NEGATES H C R C GUIDELINES THAT SUPPORTS CARPORTS TO BE DETACHED FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE VISUAL INTRUSION, THE HOMEOWNER OF NINE 19 NORTH PINE.
UM, MAIN CONCERN WITH THIS PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO H C R C WAS THAT ANYONE ON THE SECOND STORY DECK WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK DIRECTLY OVER THE FENCE INTO HIS BACKYARD.
ACCORDING TO THE DRAWINGS PROVIDED, THE NEW DECK LOCATION IS ONLY 11 FEET FROM NINE 19 NORTH PINES PROPERTY LINE, WHICH STILL PROVIDES EASY VIEWING ACCESS TO HIS BACKYARD SINCE IDZ ZONING WAS GRANTED FOR ALL OF THESE TERRAMARK PROPERTIES, THE SECOND STORY DECK WILL BE BUT BUILT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE OF 9 0 9 NORTH PINE, PROVIDING A DIRECT VIEW DOWN INTO THAT PROPERTY OWNER'S YARD FOR WHOMEVER'S ON THE PART, ON THE PORCH.
PORCH AND DECKS ARE MEANT TO BE GATHERING PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO MEET AND SOCIALIZE.
ONCE THIS DECK IS BUILT, THERE IS NOTHING PREVENT FROM
AND THEN FINALLY, PRECEDENTS ALLOWING SECOND STORY DECKS TO BE BUILT TO THE PROPERTY LINES WILL CAUSE VISUAL AND NOISE INTRUSION FOR THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS WHOSE PROPERTIES THEY BUTT UP AGAINST, WHICH HAS THE VERY REAL POTENTIAL OF COST OF CAUSING FUTURE NEIGHBOR DISPUTES.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LILY FRANCOIS.
MY ADDRESS IS 8 1 7 NOLAN, AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL FOR THE 7 22 LAMAR.
AGENDA ITEM, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DESIGN OF THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE APPLICANTS WOULD AGREE TO BILL COLUMNS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE BLOCK.
OVERALL, WE WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND AND CONGRATULATE THE HOMEOWNERS FOR TAKING THIS PROJECT ON AND RENOVATING THEIR HOUSE WITH H D R C HISTORIC GUIDELINES IN MIND, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT PERTAINS TO THE MATERIAL BEING USED.
IT'S NICE TO HAVE HOMEOWNERS APPRECIATE THAT THEY LIVE IN A HISTORIC HOUSE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ARE COGNIZANT OF THIS FACT IN THE RENOVATION DESIGN PLANS THEY'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR.
IF ALL HOMEOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS WERE ABIDE BY WHAT IS IN THE GUIDELINES, THESE MEETINGS WOULD BE A LOT SHORTER FOR EVERYBODY.
MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4.
THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 13 5 5 5 SOUTH ALAMO STREET.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH THE STAFF.
RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE NEW STRUCTURES PROPOSED FOR THIS LOCATION.
WHILE THE SCALE AND SIGHTING OF THE NEW FITNESS CENTER AND EVENT CENTER ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES ON SITE, THE DETAILING IS NOT, WE CONCUR THAT WINDOW UNITS MUST BE RECESSED FROM THE FACADE AND THAT ROOF LINES INCLUDE EAVES AND APPROPRIATE PROFILES.
WE SUGGEST THAT WINDOWS ON THE FITNESS CENTER BE MORE VERTICAL THAN HORIZONTAL TO MAINTAIN THE RHYTHM OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC HOUSE.
MOREOVER, THE USE OF VERTICAL, SO WOOD PANELS SEEMS INCONGRUOUS IN WIDTH PROFILE AND ORIENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SIGN UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON AND THAT'S ALL OF OUR VOICEMAILS.
UM, JUST A REMINDER TO CHECK YOUR FOLDERS FOR ADDITIONAL LETTERS FOR SOME OF THE ITEMS. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE, UH, CONSENT TO AGENDA CASES FOR CONSIDERATION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE.
I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER 13, PLEASE.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 1, 2, 4 THROUGH 12 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS?
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THIS IS ABSENT.AND LA PHONE MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 75 NORTH DRIVE, SIX 30 EAST NEVA AND TWO 10 SOUTH ALAMO.
7 22 LAMAR SIX 30 EAST CARSON FOR TAX VERIFICATION.
UH, EXCUSE ME FOR TAX VERIFICATION.
UH, 1502 BUENA VISTA, 3 27 FLORIDA FOUR 10 AUSTIN, 1 38 EAST HOLLYWOOD FOUR 10 MISSION EIGHT 30 WEST COMMERCE AND ONE 17 EAST LITTLEWOOD.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU NO LONGER NEED TO ATTEND IN PERSON OR REMAIN ON THE HEARING VIRTUALLY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
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OKAY.SO OUR FIRST ITEM WILL BE ITEM THREE, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, SIR, IF YOU WANNA GO IN COMING UP.
UM, I WENT TO, UH, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY.
ELIAS SINE, UH, WITH NINE 11 NORTH PINE.
AND, UM, I WAS HERE ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND TO MEET WITH ALL OF YOU AND Y'ALL HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR ME AND, UH, PREVIOUSLY I DIDN'T KNOW THE STEPS AND I, AND I TOOK THE STEPS AFTER YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, THE FIRST THING IS UNDERSTAND THE PERSON WHO, UH, MADE COMMENTS, UM, MENTIONED MY, THE NEIGHBORS AND I WENT BACK AND I SPOKE TO BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORS.
AND, UM, I GOT THEIR APPROVAL, UH, VIA TEXT MESSAGE AND EMAIL, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, WE DID ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.
THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AS THE, AS WE HAD IN THE FIRST, UH, MEETING IN REGARDS TO WHERE THE, UM, THE DECK WAS GOING TO BE.
AND THEN I ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS WITH, UH, THE NEIGHBOR, MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR.
AND, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE, THE OTHER SIDE.
AND HE, YOU KNOW, WAS WE WALKED THE HOUSE.
WE WENT UP, UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS AND HE TOTALLY APPROVED.
HE WAS THE ONE THAT HAD THE LONGEST COMMENTS AND, AND SO, UM, GOT TO KNOW THEM AND, UH, HE APPROVED.
AND THEN I MET WITH MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR WHO'S A DOCTOR AS WELL, AND MET WITH HER AND, AND, UM, SHE APPROVED AS WELL.
AND SO VERY, VERY NICE NEIGHBORS AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING TO KNOW THEM.
AND THEN WE ADDRESSED THE PRIVACY ISSUE.
I THINK THE PERSON WHO JUST MADE THE OTHER COMMENTS AGAIN, UM, REGARDS TO PRIVACY AND, UM, WHAT WE WILL, WHAT I'LL BE PUTTING UP IS, UH, IT'S CALLED, IT'S, UM, BAMBOO, UM, NON-INVASIVE.
AND SO THEY AGREED TO THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UM, UH, MONICA, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT IN REGARDS TO THE SIZE.
WHAT I ALSO DID IS I MET AGAIN WITH MY ARCHITECT AND HE HAD, UH, A NEW DRAWING.
AND WHAT HE DID IS COMPLETELY, UM, REDUCED, NOT COMPLETELY, BUT HE REDUCED THE, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE, UM, CARPORT.
SO NOW ONLY NOT, I'M SORRY, THE DECK, THE TOP DECK.
AND IT NOW ONLY GOES PAST A LITTLE BIT PAST MY WINDOW INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE BOTH CARS INSTEAD OF COVERING BOTH CARS.
AND SO TO ADDRESS THE OTHER CONCERN OF THE PERSON WHO, UM, WAS ON THE, ON THE CALL, UM, IT ONLY FITS LIKE TWO PEOPLE.
UM, NOW, SO PROBABLY FIT LIKE, UH, TWO CHAIRS AND A TABLE AND TWO PEOPLE.
I'M WORKING ON A $31 MILLION PROJECT.
I HAVE NO TIME TO BE SOCIALIZING AND PARTYING.
UH, MY NEIGHBORS, UM, THEY'RE WORKING PROFESSIONALS AND SO AM I.
UM, AND SO IF I WAS GOING TO HAVE, UM, A COMPANY, IT WOULD BE ON MY DECK DOWNSTAIRS, NOT UPSTAIRS, WHERE IT ONLY FITS TWO PEOPLE.
SO JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS HER CONCERNS.
AND SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU MOVE, UM, UM, FOR APPROVAL.
UM, I WENT BACK AND I, UH, COMPLETED ALL THE STEPS IN REGARDS TO MEETING THE NEIGHBORS AND MEETING WITH MY ARCHITECT, REDUCING THE SIZE AND, UM, UM, ADDRESSING THE PRIVACY.
SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR, UH, THIS, FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE AGAIN TODAY.
AND, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
YEAH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE, UM, THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SHOW THE, THE LEGWORK, SO TO SPEAK, THAT HE'S DONE WITH HIS NEIGHBORS, UH, DES DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF, UH, NEGATIVE COMMENTS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THIS ACTUALLY WILL BE A VEHICLE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.
LIKE YOU SAID, YOU GETTING TO MEET THE PEOPLE AND, UH, WHEN WE, UH, INCREASE DENSITY LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO EITHER, YOU KNOW, BUILD COMMUNITY OR TEAR IT APART.
AND SO I HOPE THIS BUILD BUILDS COMMUNITY IN YOUR, IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
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CHAIR, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.UM, UH, BASED ON YOUR SITE PLAN, I BELIEVE IT'S ON PAGE FIVE, UH, APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH SPACE IS BEING ALLOCATED TO PLANT THE BAMBOO ON THAT NORTH AND EAST PROPERTY LINE TO SUITABLE DENSITY? UM, IT JUST, IT APPEARS A LITTLE TIGHT.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING ABOUT.
I I, I, I'M NOT GONNA LIE TO YOU.
I DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE DIMENSIONS, UM, YET PLAN AHEAD.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR COMING TO D R C AND UM, ALSO FOR MEETING WITH HIS NEIGHBORS TO RESOLVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE DECK AND, UM, WHICH HE HAS DONE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE COMMISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ADEQUATE, UH, SPACE BE ALLOT IN THE LANDSCAPING, UH, TO CREATE, UH, YOU KNOW, SUITABLE SCREENING AS PROPOSED WITH THE, UH, NON-INVASIVE BAMBOO.
ANY DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE AS WELL.
HI, AUBREY HARTMAN WITH H K S ARCHITECTS? YES.
UM, UM, I'M A BIT FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE MM-HMM.
AND, UM, FROM OUR CONVERSATION THERE, THAT WAS OUR FIRST TIME, AT LEAST MY FIRST TIME TO SEE THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, UH, WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THE HOTEL STRUCTURE, I THINK THAT'S A, A WONDERFUL PLAN TO REBRAND.
I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SMALLER SCALE STRUCTURES, NEW STRUCTURES COMING IN.
AND, UM, FROM, UH, I GUESS ITEM NUMBER SIX, YES.
UM, IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, YOUR TEAM IS IN AGREEMENT TO, UM, ALIGN THE FRONT, ALIGN THE, LET'S SEE, WEST SETBACK OF THAT FITNESS CENTER, ALIGN IT WITH OR SET IT BEYOND THE STALE HOUSE? YES, MA'AM.
IT IS ALIGNED WITH THE STLE HOUSE CURRENTLY.
UM, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT FITNESS CENTER.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENCY TO THE STOFFEL HOUSE.
STOFFEL HOUSE BEING A PERFECT TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE LATA HISTORIC DISTRICT IS ALL ABOUT.
SO I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR, UM, UH, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE, THE MATERIAL, THE SKIN MATERIAL.
THE DETAILS OR LACK OF DETAILS OKAY.
THE FITNESS CENTER IS DESIGNED WITH THE SAME SCALE AS A IT'S VICTORIA HOUSE CURRENTLY.
STAFF HOUSE PREVIOUSLY, UM, SAME SCALE, VERY SIMILAR ROOF PITCH AND PROFILE AS THE VICTORIA HOUSE.
AND, UH, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, THE SETBACK DOES ALIGN WITH THE VICTORIA HOUSE.
UM, THE MATERIALITY WE WANTED TO COMPLIMENT YET CONTRAST THE MASONRY OF THE STAFF HOUSE.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND TO AGREE, UH, WITH USING A SMOOTH FINISH BOARD ON THE FACADE IN LIEU OF THE WOOD WITH THE, UM, KIND OF TEXTURE TO IT.
AND, UH, AS WELL AS THE STANDING SEAM, THE DIMENSIONS AND THE PROFILES THAT YOU MENTIONED FOR THE STANDING SEAM ROOFS, UH, AS WELL THE WINDOWS.
UM, WE DO HAVE A DARK FINISH AS REQUESTED, UH, IN YOUR FINDINGS, AND THEY DO HAVE A GREATER THAN TWO INCH SETBACK FROM THE, UM, SILL.
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UM, WHAT ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS? PART OF SURE.PART OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IS, UM, COMPLIMENTING, CONTRASTING IN SOME CASES MM-HMM.
AND SO I, UM, SEARCH AND I'M NOT FINDING ANYTHING BEYOND, UM, BEYOND THE SCALE AND THE MASSING THAT BEGINS TO RELATE TO THAT EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICT CHARACTER.
IT IS DEFINITELY, UM, AN ATTEMPT TO BE COMPLIMENTARY AND NOT MIMICRY, UH, IN, IN THE PROFILE WE WANTED TO DO A, A KIND OF A MODERN INTERPRETATION, HENCE THE LACK OF AN EVE MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IT IS USING THAT VERNACULAR AND THAT LOCAL MATERIALITY THAT WE FIND AROUND THE REST OF THE LOBBY TO NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, MATERIALITY IN TERMS OF WOOD, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT STANDING SEAM WOOD AND, UH, SORRY, SORRY.
STANDING STEAM ROOF AND THE, THE ROOF.
AND THE, UM, THE, THE PLANK ON THE FACADE, UM, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OR DID YOU, DID YOUR TEAM GO THROUGH A SURVEY THAT A DISTRICT TO DETERMINE WHAT THE RATIO OF WOOD STRUCTURES, WOOD CLAD STRUCTURES ARE? WE DIDN'T DETERMINE A RATIO, BUT IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US ON SOUTH PREZA, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF HISTORIC HOMES THAT HAVE WOOD SIDING ON THEM ALONG THE ENTIRE BLOCK ON SOUTH PRESA, THERE ARE TEN THREE OF 'EM HAVE WOOD PLANK SIDING AND THEIR VICTORIAN ERA SCALE IS VERY DIFFERENT STYLE'S, VERY DIFFERENT.
I'M JUST CONCERNED, UM, ABOUT THE MATERIAL CHOSEN.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE FITNESS CENTER AS CLOSE AS IT IS TO THE STALE HOUSE.
AND ALSO, HOW DO THE APERTURES OR THE OPENINGS ON PRESA REALLY ADDRESS PRESA STREET? UM, UM, THIS, UH, THIS BUILDING, UH, IS MORE INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY.
IT IS A FITNESS CENTER THAT IS GEARED TOWARDS THE GUESTS OF THE HOTEL.
I'M LOOKING AT, YES, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING ON THE MM-HMM.
UM, AND I GUESS IT'S THE OPENINGS OKAY.
TO THE, UH, EXPOSED ELEVATION MM-HMM.
AND HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE STOFFEL IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH? IT, IT JUST SEEMS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
THAT THE, THE, THE, UH, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF SOUTH PRESA MM-HMM.
AND NOT SO DIFFERENT THAT, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
BUT, UM, I THINK THE LAYOUT AND THE SITE PLANNING IS, UM, VERY GOOD.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT A COUPLE OF TREES IN THERE AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UM, ALTERATIONS MADE TO THE COLLEGIATE BLOCK HOUSES ALSO.
UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.
UH, I'LL SEE IF, IF STAFF COULD ZOOM IN ON THE PAGE.
I GUESS IT'S 17 ON THE P D F IT SAYS 17 OF 56.
AND THE BOTTOM, THAT IMAGE, THE, THE RECTANGULAR IMAGE AT THE BOTTOM.
UH, WHAT JUST, WELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE, MAKE A, AN OBSERVATION THAT ONE OF THE, THE THINGS THAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT IT IS, IS, UM, KIND OF A POSTMODERN RESPONSE TO THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE.
SO IS VERY REMINISCENT OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE JAPANESE DID IN THE POSTMODERN PERIOD WHEN THEY WERE, UH, FACED WITH, WHAT DO THEY DO WITH AN EXISTING JAPANESE VERNACULAR, RIGHT? YES.
BUT, BUT BEING SUCH MODERNISTS, RIGHT.
THAT THEY HAD TO CREATE, UM, THESE SYMPATHETIC CONTRASTS.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AT IT, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE WAY THAT THE WOOD BEAM, THE WOOD TRUST SYSTEM IS EXPOSED IN ALMOST A RELIGIOUS WAY.
IT'S, IT, IT, IT, IT REALLY CELEBRATES THIS VERY SIMPLE STRUCTURE THAT PULLS ITS SCALE FROM THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENT.
THE ENVIRONMENT HISTORICALLY IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT MORE TO THE MEXICAN HISTORY THAN IT IS TO THE US HISTORY.
AND THAT THAT'S THE AREA WHERE, UM, A BUILDING EXISTED, A COMPOUND EXISTED THAT WAS THE, THE COMPOUND DE DEVELOPED AND DESIGNED TO FIGHT BACK THE, THE, UH, THE SPANISH IN MM-HMM.
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USED TO BE A MARKER THERE THAT I DON'T THINK IS THERE ANYMORE.SO WITH RESPECT TO THE PREVAILING ARCHITECTURAL, UM, I GUESS RESPONSE, SO MUCH IS GONE.
SO IT KINDA GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN OPEN, AN OPEN, UH, AN OPEN, UH, I THINK VOCABULARY.
'CAUSE I JUST WANNA SAY, I, I DO APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT YOU, YOU DO TRANSITION SCALE FROM WHAT IS THERE THAT IS EXISTING MM-HMM.
UM, BUT I, BUT I, I, I REALLY LIKE THE, THE KIND OF THE, THE COMFORT THAT'S CREATED IN THIS, WHICH SEEMS ALMOST TO BE LIKE, UM, LIKE A, UM, I MEAN, IT'S AN EXERCISE ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? UM, IT'S, IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WILL WORK OUT.
UH, THIS BUILDING IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, FOR SOCIAL FUNCTIONS.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO OPEN ON THE OUTSIDE, SO THAT YES.
AND WHY YOU HAVE THE HIGH, HIGH CEILINGS.
WELL, I, I DON'T, I, I JUST WANNA SHARE WITH YOU THAT I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, REALLY NEGATIVE THINGS TO SAY ABOUT IT.
UM, I WAS ON THE D R C WITH THE APPLICANTS, AND, UM, I SHARE SOME OF COMMISSIONER ENO'S CONCERNS, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE, THE FITNESS BUILDING THAT IS ON, UH, SOUTH PRESA.
AND, UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE ENTRY AND THE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING IS INTERNAL TO THE SITE.
BUT, UM, ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE D R C WAS MAKING SOME EFFORT TO ADDRESS SOUTH PRESA IN TERMS OF, UM, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DETAIL WOULD BE, BUT ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON SOUTH PRESA HAVE PORCHES AND FRONT DOORS, AND THIS IS, WOULD BE THE ONLY BUILDING WHOSE BACK IS TURNED TO THAT STREET.
AND, UM, I GUESS I WAS HOPING FOR SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF, OF THAT FACT.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT THE, THE FRONT PORCHES ARE VERY STRONG, UH, ALONG SOUTH PRESLER FOR ALL OF THOSE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
AND, UM, THIS IS GONNA BE A, A, UH, FAIRLY MAJOR, UH, UM, COUNTERPART TO THAT.
SO I'M, I'M A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SOUTH PRESA FACADE.
AND WE HAVE, UH, SINCE OUR CALL, UM, HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR LANDSCAPE TEAM, AND THEN THE, THE VISUALS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED INCREASED THE, THE FOUNDATIONAL PLANTING ALONG, UH, SOUTH PRESA.
WE REALLY HAVE HOPED AND WORKED FOR THAT BUILDING TO KIND OF, UM, BE QUIET AMONGST THE STREET, UM, IN TERMS OF, ITS, ITS APPROACH AND ITS INTERFACE WITH SOUTH PRESA.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A PORCH AND WE DON'T HAVE A MAIN FRONT ENTRY.
WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP IT, ITS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE STREET, BUT ALSO VERY QUIET IN TERMS OF ITS ARCHITECTURE ALONG THE STREET.
IF, IF I MIGHT ADD, UH, A COMMENT, I, I THINK THAT ONE THING THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IS IF YOUR, YOUR ILLUSTRATION WAS SHOT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH SO THAT YOU GET SOME OF THE STUCCO, SOME OF THE PLASTERED WALL IN THE, IN, IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF HOW THAT WALL, UM, TERMINATES INTO THAT HOUSE.
AND, AND, BECAUSE IN THAT, IN WHAT, UH, CHAIRMAN IS SAYING, I THINK MAYBE THERE, MAYBE ONE SOLUTION, UM, THAT YOU MIGHT VISIT IS HOW DOES THE WALL INTRUDE ON THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF HAVING A CLEAN STOP MM-HMM.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF FLOATING.
SO, I MEAN, I, I CAN SEE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, I WISH I COULD PICK THIS UP.
THAT SHOWS THE WALL THAT COMES IN AND GOES, IF YOU GRAB MORE OF THAT AND MAYBE, MAYBE, UM, EXPERIMENT WITH THE IDEA THAT RATHER THAN THE BUILDING RESPONDING TO THE PORCH STYLED ELEVATION MM-HMM.
SO IT GIVES YOU A BREAK BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, SAY A CLASSIC AMERICAN OR BARRAGAN, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
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AND MR. CHAIR, MAY I ADD ALSO? YES, MA'AM.TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S SUGGESTION OF RE UM, REIMAGINING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BOUNDARY ELEMENTS AND THE BUILDING.
IF THERE'S A WAY TO ALSO INCREASE THE SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP ALSO THE SPACE BETWEEN THE STAFF HOUSE AND THE FITNESS BUILDING MM-HMM.
YOU ARE, UM, SO THE, DO I SEE WING WALLS ON EITHER SIDE? IS THAT WHAT I SEE IN THE PLAN WING WALL OPENING UP TO A, PERHAPS A GRAVEL COURT? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? UH, YES.
THERE'S SOME, UH, POOL EQUIPMENT.
YOU, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE, A COUPLE OF FEET AND COMBINATION OF ALL OF THOSE TECHNIQUES COULD ACTUALLY HELP SEPARATE THAT BUILDING.
AND I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT ONE OTHER ELEMENT IN THE PACKAGE.
UM, I SEE A RENDERING, LET ME FIND THE PAGE SO I CAN HELP EVERYBODY GO THROUGH.
THERE IS ANOTHER BUIL, THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING IN THE PLAN OR IN THE PROJECT, IN THE PROPOSAL, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE PLAN.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS OTHER WING OF THE HOTEL.
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT IT? THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, IT SAYS HOTEL B.
IT'S A STUDY FOR A FUTURE PROJECT.
IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS APPLICATION, NOR IS IT ON THIS SITE.
UM, LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN ON SHEET 27, UM, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO PUSH THE FITNESS CENTER FURTHER INTO THE SITE.
AND INSTEAD OF LINING UP WITH THE WESTERNMOST FACADE OF THE STALE HOUSE, IF IT LINED UP WITH THE WALL OF THE PORCH, THE PORCH MM-HMM.
AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, LOOK AT YOUR LANDSCAPING ALONG THERE TO, UH, CREATE A, A LARGER BUFFER SO THAT IT, IT APPEARS TO BE MORE PART OF THE HOTEL RATHER THAN ACTUALLY FRONTING ON THE STREET.
AND 'CAUSE I THINK FRONTING ON THE STREET, LIKE AS IT'S SHOWN NOW, IS WHERE I'M HAVING THE, THE CONCERNS.
TO ALIGN WITH THE PORCH ELEVATION.
UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO, UH, DRAW ATTENTION TO THAT, THAT SEGMENT OF WALL THAT IS REMAINING, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE PIECE THAT WE GO UP AND THEN IT GOES UP, MAYBE IT'S ABOUT 10 FEET, THAT, THAT IS EITHER A SEGMENT OF WALL THAT'S LEFT OVER, OR IT'S AN INCREDIBLE, UH, UH, VERTICAL PLANE OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT I I, IF YOU PUSH THE BUILDING BACK AND THEN YOU PASSED THE BUILDING WITH THE WALL BY A, BY A MORE THAN A GESTURE, THAT, THAT IT REALLY COULD ADD A LITTLE BIT OF DIMENSION IN A VERY ARCHITECTURAL WAY.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT WALLS AS, AS BOUNDARIES, RIGHT.
BUT IN REALITY, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.
UM, FENCE, UH, FENCE WALLS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
AS YOU STEP BACK TO THE STILE HOUSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR A MOTION? MR. CHAIR? I WOULD BE, UM, AMENABLE TO A MOTION THAT WOULD ADDRESS NUM ITEM NUMBER SIX WITH MORE SPECIFICITY.
AND THAT WOULD BE TO, UM, UM, MAINTAIN THE MASSING, THE ROOF, THE FORM, BUT, UM,
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BRING THE, UM, MATERIALITY AND WINDOWS AND OTHER ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, UH, DEFER THOSE TO A ANOTHER D R C OR ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER HEARING.SO WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ITEMS? UM, I'M FINE WITH THE OTHER ITEMS. OKAY.
SO DO YOU WANNA CRAFT A MOTION THAT WAY? LET ME,
UM, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, SUPPORT STAFF STIPULATIONS, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER SIX, WITH ITEMS INTACT.
UM, UH, ITEM ONE, TWO, AND THEN STIPULATION NUMBER SEVEN.
UM, BUT HAVING, HAVING DONE SO IN, UH, DISCUSSION, I, I, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE I THINK WE KIND OF GOT AHEAD OF THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION AS TO WHAT STIPULATIONS Y'ALL WERE OKAY WITH, JUST OFF THE BAT, RIGHT? AND, AND WHICH WERE PROBLEMATIC FOR YOU.
CAN I BE, UH, INTRODUCED? YES, SIR.
UH, TERRY DEMEYER WITH WHITE LODGING, I'M THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE.
WE OWN THE HOTEL, AND CERTAINLY WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THIS PROPERTY AND ALL THE, THE, THE, THE, THE SMALLER BUILDINGS.
SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT OF ENGAGING THAT, THAT, THAT FENCE MORE, ABSOLUTELY.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T HURT THE PROJECT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
AND, AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY ENGAGE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S X AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE, WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE IT 50 FEET.
WE ALL, WE ALL KNOW THAT WE SAW THE DIMENSIONS, BUT CERTAINLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH, WITH MOVING IT A FEW FEET AND TUCKING IT BEHIND THAT, THAT WALL, IF THAT, THAT HELPS.
UM, THE, THE EARLIER, AND THEN WE DIDN'T BRING IT BACK UP, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT VERTICAL, MORE VERTICAL WINDOWS.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A, A STRONG DRIVING PREFERENCE FOR THE WINDOWS.
WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT COMPLIMENTARY, ADMITTEDLY, AND NOT TRYING TO MAKE EVERY PATTERN EXACTLY THE SAME.
SO THAT'S, THERE'S TRUTH IN THAT STATEMENT THAT WE WEREN'T TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MATCH IT ALL UP.
BUT OUR GOAL, UM, ADMITTEDLY OPEN, OPEN BOOK, HERE WE ARE IN, IN LOOKING FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SO WE CAN BEGIN DEMOLITION ON THE GUEST ROOM PART,
SO, UM, WHETHER IT'S STAFF THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO, EXCUSE ME, OR ANOTHER COMMITTEE ON THE EXERCISE ROOM, WE ABSOLUTELY WILL DO THAT.
WE WANT TO CREATE A GREAT ENVIRONMENT, UM, INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY.
SO IF, IF YOU WANT US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PERSPECTIVE ON THE EXERCISE, AND WE GET OUR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS KIND OF FOR THE, THE, THE BIGGER PROJECT, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
THE EXERCISE ROOM TIMELINE IS NOT AS CRITICAL, IS THE GUEST ROOMS BECAUSE JUST, JUST SHEER MONTHS INVOLVED, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF, IF WE COULD CRAFT THAT.
UM, BUT IF WE CRAFT THAT SO THAT, THAT, THAT WE CAN MANAGE THAT WE, WE ARE NOT TRYING THE EXERCISE ROOM IS, IS VERY FLEXIBLE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THE INTERNAL FUNCTIONALITY OF IT ISN'T AFFECTED BY YOUR, BY ANY OF THE COMMENTS.
AND I THINK WE STILL DELIVER THE GREAT FITNESS CENTER FOR OUR CUSTOMERS, AND IF WE CAN DO BETTER BY THE, BY THE, THE, THE ELEVATION, WE SHOULD DO THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE SHOULD MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, UM, OPPOSED TO THAT AT ALL.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE HOW TO CRAFT THAT STATEMENT THAT I JUST MADE.
I, I THINK THOUGH YOU ANSWERED HIS QUESTION, HIS QUESTION I THINK WAS MORE SO TO THE EXTENT OF, UH, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS? DID YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE OTHER, OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DOVE INTO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER? NO, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE ALL VERY DOABLE.
I THINK THAT'S NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOABLE AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE PROJECT AT ALL.
WELL, MR. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? WELL, I, I WANTED TO MAYBE ENGAGE IN A, IN A, IN A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, SAVINO.
UM, THE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STIPULATIONS, NOW, THIS IS ASIDE FROM, THEY, THEY'VE KIND OF ALREADY MADE THEIR POSITION, WHICH I THINK IS A FANTASTIC, WE'LL JUST KEEP IT RIGHT HERE.
UM, THE, LET'S LOOK AT, AT, AT THE PROPOSAL AS AN ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT, WHICH I'M ONLY ASSUMING THAT THE, THE PERSON THAT SAT DOWN TO DESIGN THIS PRODUCT, THIS PROJECT HAS A, UH, THAT WHAT WE SEE
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IN THE, IN THE ILLUSTRATIONS IS INTENTIONAL.AND THAT MEANS THAT THE WINDOW SHADOW LINES, THE, THE MODERNITY, THE, THE, THE USE OF THE FAUX WOOD FINISH AS OPPOSED TO THE FLAT WOOD FINISH, UH, WITH COLOR AND TRANSPARENCY, AND OF COURSE PARTITION BLOCKING.
WHERE, WHERE IT IS THAT, THAT AS A HOLISTIC STATEMENT, EMOTION RESPECTFUL OF THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT IS ONLY CONCERNED WITH, UM, RECOMMENDATION SIX.
AND I'M WONDERING IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE THAT, THAT IF SIX HANDLES THE SUBORDINATION OF THE BUILDING WITH RESPECT TO THE STAFF OF HOUSE, AND THEN MAYBE THE INTEGRATION OF THE NEW STRUCTURE MORE INTEGRATED WITH THE HOTEL, THAT IT REALLY TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS LONG AS WE CRAFT A SIX, THAT, THAT MAKES, THAT, THAT THAT SITE VISION, THAT VIEW BALANCED, I, I KIND OF FEEL THAT THAT KINDA RESPECTING THE DESIGNER'S INTENT.
I, IT, IT'S A NICE BUILDING THE WAY THAT IT IS.
IF YOU PUSH IT BEHI BEHIND THE PORCH LINE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE FACADE THAT BEGINS THE PORCH, AND THEN THE WALL COVERS IN THAT ALL THE REST ARE DONE.
AND SO I'M WONDERING IF THE, IF THE MOTION COULDN'T JUST BE WITH, UH, AS PRESENTED AND THEN WITH STIPULATIONS ON ITEM SIX, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR THE MOTION OR YES, A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT THAT MIGHT ACHIEVE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
UM, TO GO AHEAD AND, AND CRAFT THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND SEVEN, AND THEN GIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR ITEM SIX FOR, UH, FOR FUTURE REFERRAL TO A D R C.
THE, THE LARGER CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ BRINGS UP, UM, MOTIVATES ME TO JUST REMOVE THAT ITEM ENTIRELY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, OH, CAN, CAN I ASK AN HONEST QUESTION? SURE.
YOU MAY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT, THAT FROM A STAFF AND A PERMIT PROCESS, THAT, THAT WE WOULD GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE, THE REST OF THE ITEMS, BUT NOT FOR SIX, CORRECT? WE'RE GOOD.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THE PRIORITY OF THE, UM, FITNESS CENTER IS ITS LOCATION, RIGHT? IT'S ADJACENT TO THE STOFFEL, IT'S ON THE EDGE OF SOUTH PRESA.
IT IS HIGHLY VISIBLE, EVEN THOUGH THE INTENT IS TO MAKE IT QUIET, PEACEFUL, AND MEDITATIVE.
OUR STANDPOINT, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN WORK WITH SIX FROM A STANDPOINT.
IT'S NOT MY, MY SCHEDULE, MY SCHEDULED DILEMMA IS NOT SIX.
MY SCHEDULED DILEMMA IS THE REST.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO, UM, GIVE ONLY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR NUMBER SIX.
AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, IN INTEREST OF BEING PROACTIVE, I, I, UM, SECOND IT, BUT I, I JUST, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I'M CLEAR THAT, THAT THE, UM, THAT THE WALL AND THE WINDOW FEATURES, I THINK ARE PART OF WHAT MAKES THAT SIMPLE STATEMENT.
SO I'D, I'D, I'D, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER ALLOWING THE, THE MATERIALITY TO ENABLE WHAT WE SEE IN THESE DRAWINGS SO THAT IT CAN BE THAT, THAT STATEMENT, BUT THAT, THAT WOULDN'T HOLD UP.
I MEAN, I, I, I VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT IF, IF, IF, IF IT PLEASES THE COMMISSION.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE ARCHITECTURE TO, TO, TO ENABLE THOSE ITEMS TO FALL OFF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
ANOTHER SUGGESTED AMENDMENT IS TO SEND ITEM NUMBER SIX BACK TO A D R C AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
UM, LET'S AMEND THE AMENDMENT TO, UM, INCLUDE A D R C MEETING TO REVIEW THE FITNESS CENTER.
WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT? YEAH, SAME SECOND.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, WITH SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS.
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ITEM 14 ON TODAY'S AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 5 86 1 17 BURBANK, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS REQUESTING A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT ONE 17 BURBANK STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND DIRECTION TO PROCESS REQUEST ON BEHALF OF H D R C TO CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE DESIGNATION OF ONE 17 BURBANK BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H.I HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THE COMMISSION TODAY, AND THEN THE OWNER IS ALSO HERE TO SPEAK THE PROPERTY AT ONE 17.
BURBANK IS A SINGLE STORY VERNACULAR, SHOTGUN RESIDENCE WITH CRAFTSMAN INFLUENCE BUILT CIRCA 1924 FOR ALFREDO AND JUANA CASTILLO, JULIA M. DANIEL ROCHA AND HENRY ROCHA JR.
ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2021, A DEMOLITION APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OF ONE 17 BURBANK LOCATED IN COLLINS GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD OF CITY COUNCIL.
DISTRICT FIVE STAFF RESEARCHED THE PROPERTY TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY DURING THE 30 DAY REVIEW PERIOD, PROVIDED BY U D C 35, 4 55, AND CONTACTED THE OWNER ON OCTOBER 7TH, 2021 TO INFORM HIM THAT PRELIMINARY EVIDENCE SUGGESTED THE HOME MAY BE SIGNIFICANT.
THE OWNERS ARE OPPOSED TO DESIGNATION.
THE PROPERTY MEETS THREE CRITERIA CRITERIA.
ONE, AS AN EXAMPLE OF A VERNACULAR SHOTGUN HOUSE, A HOUSING TYPE PREVALENT IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY THAT PROVIDED HOUSING FOR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
CRITERION FIVE, AS AN EXAMPLE OF A CRAFTSMAN INFLUENCE VERNACULAR SHOTGUN RESIDENCE CHARACTERIZED BY ONE ROOM WIDE LINEAR FLOOR PLAN WITH ROOF LINE PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET IN CRITERION 13, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS ONE OF THREE SHOTGUN HOMES IN A ROW, CURRENTLY ADDRESSED 1 13, 1 15, AND ONE 17 BURBANK.
ADDITIONALLY, IT'S ONE OF MORE THAN 700 SHOTGUN HOUSES IDENTIFIED BY O H P IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AS PART OF A LARGER SURVEY INITIATIVE, STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS OF DOCUMENTING AND WRITING A CONTEXT STATEMENT FOR THE SHOTGUN HOUSE INVENTORY IN SAN ANTONIO THAT HIGHLIGHTS THIS BUILDING TYPE AS ARCHITECTURALLY AND CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT, I'M SORRY, ARCHITECTURALLY AND CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT AND AN EXISTING SOURCE OF A AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE HOUSE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A RESIDENTIAL FORM THAT'S RAPID, RAPIDLY DISAPPEARING IN SAN ANTONIO, THE SHOTGUN HOUSE HISTORICALLY BUILT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THESE SMALL HOMES CONTINUE TO BE SO IN THE 21ST CENTURY.
THE HOUSES CAN BE FOUND IN ALMOST ALL OF SAN ANTONIO'S OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY WORKING CLASS COMMUNITIES.
THESE SMALL HOMES ARE VALUABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE STEEPED IN CULTURE, TRADITION AND HISTORY.
PRESERVATION OF VERNACULAR HOUSING TYPES ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORKING CLASS AND PEOPLE OF COLOR HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE NATIONWIDE.
AND SAN ANTONIO'S NO EXCEPTION, SHOTGUNS ARE INCREASINGLY THREAT, INCREASINGLY THREATENED DUE IN SOME PART TO THEIR SMALL SIZE, OLD AGE, LOCATION, AND DESIRABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND LACK OF HIGH STYLE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING.
FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, O H P HAS PARTNERED WITH THE COMMUNITY TO IDENTIFY MORE THAN 700 ACCIDENT SHOTGUN HOUSES.
AS PART OF A LARGER SURVEY INITIATIVE, STAFF IS IN THE PROCESS OF DOCUMENTING AND WRITING A CONTEXT STATEMENT FOR THE SHOTGUN HOUSE INVENTORY IN SAN ANTONIO.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND DIRECTION TO PROCESS A REQUEST ON BEHALF OF THE H D R C TO CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE DESIGNATION OF ONE 17 BURBANK.
THE OWNER, MR. HENRY ROCHA, IS HERE TODAY.
HENRY, IF YOU COULD COME TO THE PODIUM, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? OKAY.
AND THEN I HAVE, UM, THE MATERIALS NAMES.
HELLO, MY NAME IS HENRY ROCHA.
I'M GONNA READ A, A BRIEF STATEMENT OF, UM, THE PROCESS OF HOW WE BECAME OWNERS AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR THIS PROPERTY.
MY NAME IS HENRY ROCHA AND MY WIFE JULIA AND I ARE OWNERS OF ONE 19 BURBANK STREET.
THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, WHICH WE PURCHASED IN JULY OF 2021, IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US AT ONE 17 BURBANK STREET.
I'M ASKING PERMISSION TO DEMO THE HOUSE AT ONE 17, WHICH HAS A SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 450 SQUARE FEET WITH AN AVERAGE VALUE OF $25,000.
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FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS NOW.THREE YEARS AGO, WE STARTED THE PROCESS OF BECOMING OWNERS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY DID NOT HAVE AN OWNER, NO DEEDED AND NO WILL.
WE HAD TO HIRE A LITIGATION ATTORNEY.
WE LEARNED THAT PROPERTY HAD OUTSTANDING LIENS DUE DATED DATING BACK TO 1994 BECAUSE THE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE WARDED UP.
SINCE IT WAS VACANT AT THE TIME, THE MAN WHO THOUGHT WAS THE OWNER, HENRY BAEZ, STOPPED PAYING TAXES IN 2018.
HE NEVER LIVED THERE AND WOULD ALWAYS RENT IT OUT.
THIS HOUSE IN QUESTION HAS BEEN RENTED OUT FOR 20 YEARS, PLUS.
I PROVIDED SOME PICTURES OF THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, HOW, HOW THE LAST RENTER LEFT IT.
SO THAT'S THE BACK, THAT'S THE SIDE.
THE OTHER SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE, THE FOUNDATION, THE INSIDE LIVING ROOM, LIVING ROOM, THE BACK ROOM ONE, I GUESS ONE OF THE BEDROOMS. THE KITCHEN, THEY TOOK THE KITCHEN SINK WHEN THEY LEFT THE KITCHEN, THE BATHROOM.
UM, IN TOTAL, WE HAVE PAID $4,000 IN CITY LIENS, $6,000 IN BACK TAXES, $13,000 IN ATTORNEY FEES, AND $16,000 FOR THE PROPERTY WITH A TOTAL OF $39,000.
WHEN THE CITY DID A SITE SURVEY WITH THREE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, THE COMMISSIONERS SUGGEST WE REMODEL THE PROPERTY FULLY AND RENT IT OUT.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE FUNDS TO DO A FULL REMODEL OF THE HOUSE TO MAKE IT LIVABLE TO RENT IT OUT.
WE CONTACTED A CONTRACTOR WHO GAVE US A BARE MINIMUM ESTIMATE TO FULLY REMODEL THE HOUSE, AND IT WAS $50,000.
THIS IS NOT AN, AN OPTION FINANCIALLY FOR US.
WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT $39,000 THAT ARE ASKING FOR A MINIMUM OF $50,000, AND THAT'LL BE A TOTAL OF $89,000.
THIS WILL BE AN ECONOMICAL HARDSHIP FOR US.
WE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN OUR PROPERTY SINCE 2009, 12 YEARS.
WE ARE HOMEOWNERS AND ARE HERE TO STAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWN THE STREET.
AN INVEST INVESTOR BOUGHT TWO SEPARATE LOTS AND IS INSTALLING IN-GROUND SCREENING POOLS IN EACH LOT WITH A TWO STORY AND A THREE STORY HOUSE LAYOUT WHERE ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO.
I PROVIDED, PROVIDED SOME PICTURES THAT ONE, AND THE, THE OTHER HOUSE.
AND JUST MONDAY, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO SUBMIT IT, BUT, UM, A FIRETRUCK COULD NOT PASS BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE BLOCKING THE STREET.
'CAUSE NOBODY PARKS IN OUR PARKING LOT.
UM, RIGHT NOW MY WIFE MUST PARK ACROSS THE STREET AT HER PARENTS' HOUSE.
OUR PLAN IS NOT TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY VACANT.
WE'RE PLANNING TO BUILD A SMALL CARPORT, A SMALL GARAGE SHED TYPE IN THE BACK, IN A PLAYGROUND IN A RAISED GARDEN BED FOR OUR DAUGHTER.
AND THAT'S THE, THE LAYOUT THAT I, I KIND OF DID.
I'M NOT, NO SORRY, PROFESSIONAL OR NOTHING.
UM, SO BASICALLY WE JUST WANT TO ADD A CARPORT, A PLAYGROUND AND RAISE GARDEN BED AND A SMALL GARAGE IN THE BACK.
UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON A, ON ONE 17, IT'S LIKE 2000 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE.
WE WALKED OUR STREET AND WE, WE SPOKE TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE LET THEM KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE SITUATION.
CURRENTLY, WE WROTE OUT A, A PETITION AND 40 OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE IN, THEY AGREED FOR US TO DEMO THE HOUSE ON ONE 17.
AND THAT'S THE LIST OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO AGREED, YOU COULD SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE 42 YEARS, 45 YEARS.
SO IT'S, IT IS AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYBODY GETS ALONG.
THE TWO HOUSES NEXT TO 17, UM, ADDRESS IS ONE 15 AND ONE 13.
UM, THOSE OWNERS LIVE THERE THE WHOLE TIME.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S 16 CRITERIA, AND I MET YOU HAVE TO MEET, MEET A MINIMUM OF THREE.
BUT ONE OF THEM WAS LIKE, SHE SAID, ALL THE HOUSES ARE THE SAME SHOTGUN STYLE HOUSES, BUT THIS HOUSE, NOBODY TOOK CARE OF IT.
THE, THE LAST OWNER, THE OWNER PASSED AWAY IN 1973.
IT IS NOT IN THE LIVABLE CONDITIONS.
IN THE YEARS OF US TRYING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, THE CITY, THE COUNTY NOR ATTORNEYS NEVER TOLD US THAT THE HOUSE MAY BE FLAGGED FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK, WHICH WE DO NOT THINK IT'S FAIR FOR US.
THIS ECONOMICAL HARDSHIP OF HAVING TO REMODEL THE HOUSE IS TAKING A TOLL ON US MENTALLY AND EMOTIONALLY.
NOT TO MENTION IT MIGHT HIT US HARD FINANCIALLY ALSO, WHICH WE CANNOT AFFORD.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE A FOR THE EITHER STAFF OR THE HOMEOWNER? WELL, MR. UH, MR. CHAIR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, UH,
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COREY, I'M LOOKING AT IT ON THE PRE, ON THE, UH, UH, PRESENTER'S, UH, PAGE, UH, AN IMAGE THAT SAYS BATHROOM.CAN YOU GET THAT ON THE SCREEN? UH, LET ME, UH, THE, THE ONE BELOW IT.
YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK, I THINK WHAT WHAT THIS BRINGS FORTH IS A VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION THAT SAN ANTONIO HASN'T HAD, AND SO HAPPENS THAT IT COMES TO THE H D R C, UM, BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S USED BY THE CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE 16 OPPORTUNITIES.
IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO SAY THAT THAT'S FAIR WHEN YOU GET TO FIND THREE OUT OF 16, RIGHT? SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT IT'S STACKED AGAINST ANY APPLICANT.
BUT, BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS LANGUAGE THAT'S USED THAT IS QUASI HONEST.
IT'S NOT, IT'S REALLY NOT HONEST TO SAY THAT THIS IS WORKFORCE HOUSING WITHOUT INDICATING THAT IT'S ALSO, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING IN AN ERA OF SEGREGATION AND, UH, RACIST POLICIES AGAINST MINORITY PEOPLES.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WORKFORCE HOUSING, SAY FOR THE MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, WHICH THE 1926, UH, SHOT HERE ON THE SCREEN SAYS THAT THEY WERE WHAT APPEAR TO BE MEXICAN AMERICANS.
IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WORKFORCE IN THE 1920S BUILT HOUSES LIKE THIS.
AND THE REALITY IS THAT WORKFORCE LIVING IN A SEGREGATED SOCIETY, VICTIMS OF RACISM LIVED IN, UH, THESE SITUATIONS BECAUSE THEIR OPPORTUNITY FOR UPWARD MOBILITY WAS, WAS, UM, TRUNCATED BY RACIST POLICIES.
AND SAN ANTONIO WAS A VERY RACIST CITY, VERY RACIST.
YOU WENT FURTHER SOUTH AND ENTERED INTO THE HARDIN DEAL GARDENS.
YOU, THEY COULDN'T SELL THE JEWS, MEXICANS, OR, OR NEGROES.
OKAY? AND THEN IF YOU GO FURTHER NORTH, WELL, WE WERE KIND OF STUCK IN CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTS.
NOW, TODAY, WE LOOK AT THE QUAINTNESS OF THESE REMNANTS OF, FOR, FOR THE MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY OF RACISM AND, AND THE LACK OF UPWARD OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS APPLICANT BEFORE US TODAY IS KIND OF FORCED TO, TO SHOW US A PLAN THAT IN REALITY IS NOT RELEVANT HERE.
BECAUSE THE ONLY THING RELEVANT HERE IS WHETHER IT MEETS THE THREE CRITERIA, RIGHT? BUT WHAT I THINK IS RELEVANT IS THAT THIS IS YET ANOTHER MEXICAN-AMERICAN APPLICANT, RIGHT, THAT WOULD COME WITH HIS DREAMS AND HIS AMBITIONS, BUT THAT HE WOULD BE HELD TO A STANDARD OF PRESERVING WHAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS CONSTANTLY GETTING IN THE HABIT OF CALLING WORKFORCE HOUSING WITHOUT INDICATING IN THEIR FINDINGS THAT IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING IN AN AGE OF SEGREGATION IN A CITY FILLED WITH RACIST POLICIES.
SO THE LIMITATIONS THAT THIS YOUNG MAN FINDS HIMSELF IN ARE THAT NOT ONLY, UH, DID, DID HE DISCOVER SOME OF THE OTHER LIMITATIONS THAT EXIST WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, UH, WHEN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE STRUGGLING AND ECONOMICS DON'T HAVE CLEAR DEEDED, UH, A CLEAR TITLE, UH, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT HE'S HAD, THAT HE'S HAD TO DISCOVER THROUGH HIS OWN ECONOMIC, UM, UH, HARDSHIP, UH, THAT NOW HE HAS TO COME BEFORE US AND EXPLAIN, UH, UH, THINGS THAT, THAT EVEN HE MAY NOT HAVE THE, THE, THE EXPERIENCE OR THE HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE TO, TO EXPRESS WHY WE ARE IN A REALLY BAD SITUATION.
WITH RESPECT TO SAYING THAT EVERYTHING IN THIS CITY IS GONNA BE HISTORIC.
WHEN YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH AND YOU ENTER INTO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, STRAIGHT DOWN ALITOS, THERE'S DROVES OF SHUT HOUSES.
AND THEY'RE NOT QUAINT LITTLE HOUSES.
THEY'RE HOUSES THAT ARE REALLY A, A, A, A, A MARKER OF THE ECONOMICALLY SEGREGATED CITY THAT SAN ANTONIO IS.
AND WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THIS, THIS, THIS, UM, THIS EQUITY LENS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK THROUGH AND SEE HOW THIS IS A MARKER OF THE UPWARD MOBILITY OF THIS YOUNG MINORITY APPLICANT OR, OR, OR PROPERTY OWNER, OR IT'S A MARKER OF HOW WE VALUE PRESERVATION UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GREATER THAN THE EMPOWERMENT OF, OF, OF WHAT HE STANDS FOR AND WHAT HIS SEGMENT OF SAN ANTONIO'S POPULATION STANDS FOR.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT, THAT THE CASES THAT ARE COMING BEFORE US ARE SO, UH, UH, UM, UH, VESTED IN ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE BECAUSE IN SAN ANTONIO, WHERE A VAST MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION IS MEXICAN AMERICAN LIVING, UH, IN POVERTY, THAT, UM, UH, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, TO, TO SEE
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HOW SYSTEMICALLY, UH, WE, WE ARE CRAFTING THESE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT ENABLING, UH, WELL-BALANCED, UM, UH, ECONOMIC NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, UH, THAT CONSTRUCT OF, OF THAT MINORITY POPULATION THAT HAS REACHED A, AN ECONOMIC LEVEL WHERE IT'S ABLE TO PRODUCE ITS DREAMS. SO I HOPE THAT, THAT THIS COMMISSION WILL TAKE THOSE COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION AND FIND IN FAVOR OF THIS APP OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY OWNER.MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, SIR.
UM, QUESTION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO IT'S CLEAR TO ME THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU, YOU SOUGHT OUT OR ARE INTERESTED IN, YOU DID NOT APPLY FOR, FOR THIS.
I, I APPLIED TO DEMO THE HOUSE AND I WAS TOLD THAT THIS HOUSE MIGHT BE BECOME, UM, A HISTORIC LANDMARK.
SO I BELIEVE IT'S A HISTORIC LANDMARK.
WE CAN'T GET MORE YARD FOR I UNDERSTAND MY FAMILY.
AND, UM, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HERE.
UM, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I EMPATHIZE WITH WHAT YOU MENTIONED, YOU'RE, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY WITH WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH AS A PROPERTY OWNER? UM, I THINK THIS IS A SACRED, RIGHT, THAT I FEEL LIKE, ESPECIALLY IN CASES LIKE THIS, THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BEING COGNIZANT OF, OF THAT, THAT BASIC AMERICAN, RIGHT.
UM, A LOT OF THE NUANCES OF POLICY FROM THE PAST THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER DISCUSS IS A POINT OF CONCERN FOR ME.
BUT MOREOVER, UM, I'VE HEARD IN CASES WHEN WE'VE HAD APPLICANTS THAT, THAT WE'VE ALMOST CHASTISED THAT SAID, WE'VE TOLD THEM, WELL, DIDN'T YOU KNOW YOU WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, OR YOUR CONTRACTOR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN YOU WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS GENTLEMAN NEVER SOUGHT OUT A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT WE ARE APPARENTLY SEEKING OUT HIS PROPERTY.
UM, A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT, UH, I, I'M PRETTY CONSISTENT ABOUT CASES LIKE THIS.
UM, IT'S ONE THING TO, AGAIN, TELL A, A, A STORY WITH ARCHITECTURE, BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING, UM, TO AGAIN, POTENTIALLY TRAMPLE SOMEBODY'S, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
WELL, I WAS AT THE JOB SITE WITH THE HOME HOMEOWNER AND STAFF, AND LOOKING AT THE HOUSE AND IT'S, UH, ADJACENT TO NEIGHBORS.
UM, I WOULD CONCUR WITH STAFF IN THEIR, UH, RECOMMENDATION THAT IT, IT DOES MEET THREE OF THE CRITERIA THAT ARE, UM, REQUIRED FOR DESIGNATION.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THERE IS AN ADDITION ON THE REAR THAT I THINK, UH, STAFF AND THE COMMISSION SHOULD THIS BECOME LANDMARKS, UM, COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR DEMOLITION TO INCREASE THE, THE SIZE OF THE BACKYARD.
UH, IT WAS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE AND IS PROBABLY IN THE, THE, UH, THE WORST CONDITION STRUCTURALLY.
UM, THERE IS SPACE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE FOR AN ADDITIONAL, UH, DRIVEWAY, UH, OR GARDEN, OR THERE IS DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL FOR THE REST OF THE SITE.
BUT, UM, MY OPINION IS THAT IT, IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA THAT STAFF HAS SET FORTH.
AND, UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, TO SEND THIS FORWARD TO COUNCIL, WE WOULD NEED A SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE.
UH, AND THEN, UM, IF COUNCIL APPROVES IT, THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO US FOR A SUPER MAJORITY, UH, VOTE TO SEND IT ONTO ZONING.
SO THAT'S THE, UH, UH, IF STAFF WOULD CONCUR THAT THAT'S THE, THE STEP FORWARD, THE PLAN FORWARD.
CAN I, CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? YES, SIR.
UM, STAFF, CAN YOU SHOW US THE PICTURE OF THAT? THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW, UM, CAR, ONE OF THE PICTURES THROUGH THE YELLOW TAXI IN ONE OF THE, THE, YEAH, SO THAT YOU SEE THAT PERSON, I CAN, HE PARKS HER ALL THE TIME BECAUSE YOU SEE THE WHITE, UM, UM, HE HAD THE LITTLE DRIVEWAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THE WHITE LITTLE WALLS, HE DOESN'T PARK IN HIS DRIVEWAY, SO HE WOULD BE BLOCKING ME ALL THE TIME IF I TRIED TO MAKE A LEFT TURN ONTO NATOS.
SO THAT'S ONE REASON WHY I WOULDN'T PUT MY CARPORT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHERE THE HOUSE IS AT RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
IF I, IF I, IF I COULD AGAIN, YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.
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JUST, I, AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR ANY POINTS HERE OR SOUND LIKE I'M LIVESTREAMING, BUT I WORRY ABOUT THE PRECEDENTS WE'RE SETTING ON PROPERTIES LIKE THIS WHERE ANYBODY WHO'S SPECULATING OR CARES TO INVEST IN, IN REINVESTING IN THESE TROUBLED NEIGHBORHOODS ARE, ARE GONNA MAYBE FACE SUCH AN OBSTACLE LIKE THIS.I, I, I VERY MUCH LIVE AND, UH, BREATHE THE, THE DISTRICTS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE, AND YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE, UH, TYPE OF PROPERTIES.
SO AGAIN, JUST A BIG POINT OF CONCERN FOR ME, AND, AND MR. CHAIR, I, I, I CHALLENGE THE FINDINGS AT, AT ALMOST EVERY LEVEL BECAUSE THERE IS NO MENTION OF THE, OF THE REALITY.
I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN, LOOK, WE HAVE A COMMENT IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE, THE ORIGINS TRACED BACK TO WEST AFRICAN, UM, ARCHITECTURAL, UH, WHATEVER.
I, I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA BE THAT ACCURATE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE AUDACITY TO CALL IT WORKFORCE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, NEVER, NEVER, YOU, I MEAN, I MEAN, WOULDN'T YOU FIGURE THAT THE TERM SLUMLORD HOUSING WOULD, WOULD ALSO BE IN THERE AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT SOMEHOW WE WOULD BE BOLD ENOUGH TO LEGITIMIZE THAT OR SHARECROPPER HOUSING, YOU KNOW, THE RE THE REALITY OF, OF, OF, OF WHAT WE CALL, UH, WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT MEANS, RO SAY ARCHITECTURE'S ALL TOO, OR MONUMENT, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD CALL A MONUMENT, RIGHT? SO IN PRESERVATION, THE STEVE'S HOMESTEAD, RIGHT.
UM, AND MOST DEFINITELY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE SHOTGUN HOUSE WHERE THE NINO CIO WAS, YOU KNOW, IN, ON THE WEST SIDE MONUMENT, WHAT HAPPENED THERE, RIGHT? THESE THINGS, WE'VE GOT 16 OPPORTUNITIES HERE AND NOT ONE IS, IS REALLY LOOKING AT THE REALITY OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, UH, WHAT, PUTTING, UH, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE HOUSE ITSELF OR THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES, BUT THE, THE, IN THE ARCHITECTURAL REALITY OF POVERTY THAT WE'RE ROMANTICIZING THE END OBJECTIVE WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE POVERTY THAT EXISTS IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE AND THEN.
AND THAT, THAT WE CODIFY THE CRYSTALLIZATION OF THAT, OF THE ATTRIBUTES OF THAT POVERTY, RIGHT, IN THE FACE OF THE VERY COMMUNITY ESCAPING POVERTY, INCREASING THEIR, THEIR, THEIR ASSETS, BUILDING A PATHWAY FOR UPWARD MOBILITY, AND THAT WE SHOULD ALL RECOGNIZE THAT AT SOME LEVEL IN MINORITY COMMUNITIES, THE FIRST ASSET THAT YOU HAVE IS YOUR HOUSE AND LIBERAL, UH, UH, AND THAT HOUSE IS, IS SEEN NOT THE WAY THAT WE SEE IT AS A H D R C, BUT AS A, PEOPLE WOULD SEE IT IN TERMS OF, OF, OF WHAT THEY WOULD USE TO LEVERAGE TO SEND THEIR KID TO COLLEGE, RIGHT? SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMPOUND OF WHAT THIS YOUNG MAN IS PROPOSING WITH RESPECT TO HIS FAMILY LIFE AND HIS PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, AND THAT IT'S NOT IN A, A DISTRICT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS FILLED WITH THESE DECISIONS, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOUSES THAT WE STOPPED AND SAID, LET'S LOOK BACK AT WHAT THE PAST WAS, BUT THAT WE SHOULD AT SOME LEVEL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT SEE THE PAST OF WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE EXISTING POVERTY THAT CREATES NEIGHBORHOODS FILLED WITH SHOTGUN HOUSES.
AND THAT, THAT, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS YOUNG MAN AND HIS DREAM IN HIS FAMILY LIFE, THAT THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING FROM THERE.
HE IS INSIDE OF HIS ECONOMIC CAPACITY, IF NOT THERE, WHERE, SO IN REALITY, WE ARE LIMITING THE PATHWAY OF THIS MINORITY POPULATION AND ITS UPWARD MOBILITY WHEN WE CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHOTGUN HOUSES THAT ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CELEBRATION OF OUR PAST AND SHOTGUN HOUSES THAT ARE LIVING WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE ACTUALLY LIVE IN, AND THAT IF ONLY WE HAD A CHANCE, WE WANT TO DO BETTER.
UH, SO I DON'T THINK THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA BECAUSE IT LEAVES OUT RELEVANT, RELEVANT FACTS THAT GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WHETHER THIS IS A TRULY, UH, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING OR SEGREGATION ERA HOUSING THAT IS A, THAT IS, THAT IS A REMNANT OF OUR, OF OUR, UH, SUBSERVIENT LIFE IN SAN ANTONIO AS A MINORITY POPULATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? UM, MR. CHAIR? I DO HAVE A, YES.
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THAT, UM, SITE VISIT, VISIT MR. RUCHA.UM, I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY YOUR CONCERNS AND, UM, THE PREDICAMENT YOU FIND YOURSELF IN.
I HAVE NOT DECIDED HOW I AM GOING TO FALL ON THIS ONE.
I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A, DONE A VERY RESPONSIBLE JOB IN HAVING A SHOTGUN SURVEY AND IDENTIFYING CRITERIA THAT APPLIES TO THIS TYPOLOGY.
I ALSO THINK THAT PART OF THE INTENT IS TO PRESERVE SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS SO WE DON'T FORGET THE INJUSTICES.
NOW, UM, MOVING FORWARD, UM, I I, IN ONE WAY, I FEEL LIKE I, I NEED TO SUPPORT STAFF BECAUSE I THINK IF NOTHING ELSE, IT GIVES US TIME AND PERHAPS TIME TO WORK WITH YOU TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS USABLE IF POSSIBLE.
IS THERE A WAY THAT, UM, WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED TO, UM, I HAVE A TODAY AT THE SITE VISIT, I HAVE NO MORE MONEY TO INVEST IN THIS PROPERTY.
THAT'S PART OF IT IS HOW, HOW TO DEVELOP A STRATEGY, WHETHER IT MEANS MOVING IT AS, UH, THE CHAIR MENTIONED THERE'S, UM, ADDITIONAL SPACE IN THE BACK, AND SO THAT CAN REALLY CREATE MORE SPACE IS MOVING IT MM-HMM.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENABLE YOUR FAMILY TO USE IT AND GET THE PARKING? PERHAPS THE PARKING IS ON, YOU KNOW, THE LEFT SIDE, NOT THE RIGHT SIDE.
ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA THROW THOSE THOUGHTS OUT THERE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMING HERE AND, UM, STANDING UP FOR YOUR NEEDS AND YOUR FAMILY'S NEEDS.
YES, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IT'S REALLY RELEVANT TO SAN ANTONIO AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
UH, I WISH WE COULD HAVE IT AND, AND, UH, AND PERHAPS OTHER VENUES WHERE WE'RE NOT SO UNDER THE CLOCK, UH, AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, BE FAIR AND WITH OTHER APPLICANTS AND PROCESS THEIR CASES EFFICIENTLY.
UM, BUT I THINK JUST TO SHOW A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF, UH, VALIDITY TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN PRESERVATION STARTED OUT IN THE LATE 18 HUNDREDS AS A MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY, IT TENDED TO BE TOWARDS, UM, PRESERVING THINGS THAT WERE OF, OF, UH, OF NATIONAL OR PATRIOTIC INTEREST.
AND THAT TENDED TO BE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE LEADERS OF OUR, YOU KNOW, THE FOUNDING OF THIS COUNTRY AND, AND WITH THE SORT OF THE MAJORITY CULTURE THAT WAS IN, IN, IN POWER.
UM, FAST FORWARD A CENTURY OR SO, YOU KNOW, PRESERVATION HAS REALLY EXTENDED ITS MISSION MUCH FURTHER THAN WHAT I THINK IS BEING CHARACTERIZED HERE.
AND IT CAN BE A, A FORCE FOR POSITIVE CHANGE AND FOR, UM, FOR REVITALIZATION AND FOR SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT AND FOR REPRESENTING MORE DIMENSIONS OF OUR SOCIETY THAN JUST THE, THE HIGH CULTURED ELITE.
UM, AND SO I, I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SAY JUST, JUST NOT TO DISQUALIFY OR DISCREDIT ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID, BECAUSE THAT HISTORY IS NOT HISTORY, IT'S PRESENT AND IT'S PALPABLE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE PAIN AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I ALSO, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T ERADICATE HISTORY.
WE DON'T SANITIZE HISTORY THAT WE USE IT TO, TO CAPTURE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AUTHENTIC REALITY THAT WAS EXPERIENCED AT ALL LEVELS OF CULTURE.
AND, UM, SO I COULD SEE WHERE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING REALLY POSITIVE THAT COULD COME OUT OF THIS.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE MAY BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR GRANT MONEY OR A STAR PROGRAM.
IT'S A STUDENT COMMUNITY, UH, WORKDAY THAT COMES AND HELPS YOU CLEAN THAT THING UP AND GET IT UP TO WHERE MAYBE PARTS OF YOUR PLAN ARE IMPLEMENTED IN THAT.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A RENTAL PROPERTY THAT CAN GO TOWARDS, UM, UH, UH, GIVING YOU AN INCOME STREAM FOR OTHER PARTS OF YOUR, UH, DREAMS IN YOUR LIFE.
SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, A EITHER OR TURN UP THE CONTRAST KNOB AND I THINK THERE COULD BE A WIN-WIN HERE FOR EVERYONE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR.
PRIOR, PRIOR TO ROLL CALL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, MAKE A COMMENT AND DISCUSSION.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS VERY, VERY MUCH.
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UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IT MEANS MUCH WITH RESPECT TO THE IMMENSE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE OF, OF, UM, OF THE COMMISSION HERE THAT I HOLD IN VERY HIGH ESTEEM.BUT I, I SPENT A GOOD 20 YEARS, UH, IN PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURE UNDER A NOTED ARCHITECT.
AND WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE THERE, YOU KIND OF, KIND OF LEARN THAT NOT EVERYTHING GETS PRESERVED.
I MEAN, WE'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT IT DOES, BUT NOT EVERYTHING GETS PRESERVED AND SO MUCH OF IT IS CLIENT DRIVEN.
UM, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO JUST JUST TELL YOU THAT PRESERVED ARCHITECTURE BECOMES A SYMBOL, WHICH IS WHAT'S RELEVANT TO THE IDEA OF TUMOR MONUMENT BECOMES A SYMBOL.
AND SYMBOLOGY DEPENDS ON WHO IS LOOKING AT THE SYMBOL.
THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST SAY THAT EVERYBODY CAN DRINK FROM ONE FOUNTAIN AND LEAVE THE OTHER FOUNTAIN THERE, BUT THAT THERE WAS A NEED TO REMOVE THE OTHER FOUNTAIN AND SAY THAT WE ALL DRINK FROM THIS FOUNTAIN.
THAT'S WHY THE, THE, UM, CONFEDERATE STATUE DOWNTOWN IS GONE, NOT BECAUSE WE ALL AGREE THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED, BUT IT WAS REMOVED FROM BEING, BEING A PARTICIPANT IN A COMMUNITY OF POVERTY.
WE, WE, WE KNOW WHAT A PARTICULAR STRUGGLE IS, AND SOMETIMES WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE MONUMENTS, THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE'S MONUMENTS, BUT TO US, THEY'RE IMPEDIMENTS.
AND WHERE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE, BECAUSE THERE IS SOME, SOME, SOME MEMORY AND VALUE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY VALID.
AND I, AND I HOLD THAT STANDARD HIGH, BUT WHERE IT'S OBVIOUS THAT SOMEONE ELSE'S MONUMENT IS AN IMPEDIMENT TO THE GROWTH OF THE VERY PEOPLE THAT, THAT, THAT DEMOLITION STANDS FOR IS A MONUMENT.
THEN WE REALLY HAVE TO QUESTION, UM, WHEN ARE WE GONNA FIND TIME NOT TO GO THROUGH A U D C PROCESS TO CHANGE RULES, BUT WHEN ARE WE GONNA SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE O H P RULES AND, AND HAVE A REALLY HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT IT? I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE VENUE FOR IT, BUT THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS I WANT WITH MY, UH, MOTION.
CARPENTER, NAY GROUP IS ABSENT, BOWMAN IS ABSENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR A, UM, APPROVAL OF A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MOTION AND SECOND, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO, UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND DESCRIBE THE NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS, SIR.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF AT SOME POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASSIST THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 3 73 32 15 ROOSEVELT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL.
SIGN A SIGNAGE FACIA ON EACH OF THE EXISTING ON EACH SIDE OF THE EXISTING FUEL CANOPY.
THE SIGNAGE FASCIA WILL READ SENECO ON THE FRONT, AND THAT'S THE EAST ELEVATION
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AND FLAT NON ILLUMINATED LETTERS.OTHER ELEVATIONS WILL ONLY FEATURE PANELS WITH NO SIGNAGE.
THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE FASCIA WOULD FEATURE A LENGTH OF APPROXIMATELY 36 FEET ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS, AND APPROXIMATELY 24 FEET, SIX INCHES ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS.
THE APPLICANT NOTES THAT THE EXISTING FLOOD CANOPY LIGHTS, CANOPY FLOOD LIGHTS MAY BE USED TO ILLUMINATE THE FASCIA SIGNAGE, MONUMENT SIGNAGE AND FUEL PUMP GRAPHICS WERE APPROVED BY THE H D R C WITH STIPULATIONS ON OCTOBER THE 20TH, 2021.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE STIPULATION AT THE SIGNAGE BE LOCATED ON EITHER THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH FACADE AS TO NOT FACE DIRECTLY TOWARD MISSION SAN JOSE.
UH, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
HI, STACY WITH EMPIRE CANOPY SIGN CONSTRUCTION? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE THE SIGNAGE TO ONE OF THE SHORT ENDS OF THE CANOPY, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO THAT.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS SUNOCO AS A BRAND HAS GIVEN US A LOT IN ORDER TO KIND OF MINIMIZE THEIR IMAGE ON THIS CANOPY.
AND THEY HAVE PROPORTION RULES STATING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THE SUNOCO WORD MARK IF YOU HAVE X AMOUNT OF FEET ON THE CANOPY.
SO, UM, I GUESS IF THAT'S ALL WE CAN GET, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO FOR THAT, WHICHEVER ONE IS THE MOST VISIBLE, BUT THEY REALLY WANTED TO HAVE IT ON THE LONGER SIDE OF THE CANOPY JUST TO STAY WITHIN THEIR BRAND.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF CO, UM, COREY OR EDWARD CO.
COREY, UH, COREY, WHAT IS THE MAIN, UM, UM, OBJECTION, VISIBILITY TO MISSION SAN JOSE? VISIBILITY TO SAN JOSE.
NOW, NOW THAT, THAT'S, IS THAT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THIS GAS STATION HAS BEEN THERE? LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR AS LONG AS ANY OF US HAVE BEEN AROUND? THERE'S CURRENTLY NO SIGNAGE ON THE CANOPY, SO IF THERE WAS SIGNAGE ON THE CANOPY, THAT WOULD BE UP FOR A REASE.
SO THIS IS NEW SIGNAGE AT THAT HEIGHTENED LOCATION.
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? YES, SIR.
IS IT, IS IT COREY? IS IT THE ISSUE THAT IT, WAIT, IT'S NON ILLUMINATED.
THAT FRONT, RIGHT? IT WON'T BE ILLUMINATED.
UM, I MEAN THERE'S BEEN CONCERN OVER THE PAST FEW DECADES OF COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE ALONG THIS STRETCH OF ROOSEVELT JUST BECAUSE OF WHEN YOU VISIT THE MISSION COMPOUND, THE MISSION COMPOUND, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THAT SIGNAGE.
UM, SO ONE EXAMPLE IS PIZZA HUTT A FEW YEARS AGO REDUCED THEIR, THEIR POLE SIGN.
THERE'S ALSO A MCDONALD'S SIGN NEARBY.
AND SO THIS IS ALL KIND OF PART OF THAT EFFORT TO REDUCE, UM, COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE VISIBLE FROM THE SITE.
AND, AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I, I'M, I, I DRIVE ON ROOSEVELT EVERY DAY, SO I APPRECIATE THE INTENTION, UM, ESPECIALLY MAYBE WITH RESPECT TO LIKE THE VIEW SHED FROM THE MISSION.
UM, I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY ANY PASSION ABOUT, UH, APPROVAL OR REJECTION OF THIS, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I, I THINK I AGREE WITH STAFF.
I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO SORT OF ROLL BACK THE ENCROACHMENT, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS AREA'S BEEN GIVEN WORLD HERITAGE STATUS.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE MISSION GUIDELINES AS WELL.
SO I WOULD, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 5 76 400 PROBAND.
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APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AT 400 PROBAND STREET LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAID DISTRICT FOUR.THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL FEATURE 310 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND STRUCTURED PARKING STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH SS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE PROPOSED CURB CUT ON PROBAND DOES NOT EXCEED.
25 FEET IN WIDTH IS NOTED IN FINDING F TWO THAT DETAILED LANDSCAPING AND SITE LANDSCAPING AND SITE AND ARCHITECTURAL LIGHTING PLANS BE DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL WHEN RETURNING TO THE COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
IS NOTED IN FINDINGS H AND I THREE, THAT ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN TO PROVIDE A MORE SUBSTANTIAL BUILDING CAP, SUCH AS ADDITIONAL BALCONY AWNINGS, CHANGES IN MATERIAL TEXTURE, OR COLOR THE PARAPET WALLS OR AN ADDITIONAL DETAIL AT THE LOCATION OF BOARD.
AND BATTEN SIDING AT THE TOP OF THE PARAPET WALLS IS NOTED IN FINDING M FOR THAT THE APPLICANT STUDY THE REDUCTION OF THE HEIGHT OF THE RIDGE LINE AT EACH HIP ROOF FORM OR SUBMIT A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY NOTING THAT THE HIP ROOF FORMS AND THEIR RIDGE LINES WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
FIVE, THAT ALL WINDOWS FEATURE DARK FRAMES AND BE RECESSED WITHIN WALLS.
AT LEAST TWO INCHES IS NOTED IN FINDING Q SIX AT A DETAILED SIGNAGE PLAN.
BE DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL WHEN RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
AND SEVEN, ARCHEOLOGY AND ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED.
THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY IS APPLICABLE.
THE APPLICANT'S JACKSON SIMONS AND JACKSON NAGEL ARE HERE IN PERSON.
HELLO? UM, MY NAME IS JACKSON SIMONS.
I'M THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE FOR 400 PROBAND.
UM, OUR FIRM PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2018 AND COMPLETED A REZONE, AND WE'VE SINCE OWNED THE PROPERTY WAITING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO COME VIABLE.
UH, THE SITE'S CURRENTLY A RECYCLING FACILITY THAT WE LEASED A FEDERAL INTERNATIONAL WASTE AND RECYCLING.
IT'S AN ACTIVE FACILITY, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE ON THE CORRIDOR.
UM, THIS LEASE WON'T EXPIRE UNTIL WE BREAK GROUND ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, TO OUR NORTH IS A FURNITURE WAREHOUSE TO OUR EAST.
WE HAVE A SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAIL LINE AND A VACANT WAREHOUSE TO THE SOUTH.
THERE'S ANOTHER RAIL LINE, LAY DOWN YARD AND INDUSTRIAL TRUCK PARKING LOT INTO OUR WEST.
WE HAVE A HABITAT FOR HUMANITY DONATION CENTER.
WE VIEW THIS DEVELOPMENT AS KEY TO REVITALIZING THE PROBAND CORRIDOR AND CATALYZING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORRIDOR.
UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT, UM, AND HAVE BEEN OBVIOUSLY OWNED IT FOR THREE YEARS NOW AND ARE READY TO GET GOING FOR WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.
UM, WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT WITHOUT ANY TAX INCENTIVES.
THIS IS ALL BEING FUNDED BY OUR FIRM.
UM, SO NO P F C OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AS EDWARD STATED, OUR PROJECT'S A FOUR STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING WITH A FIVE STORY PARKING GARAGE.
THE FACADE, UH, CONSISTS PRIMARILY OF TWO TYPES OF BRICK.
UM, WE'RE PLAYING ON USING A TERRACOTTA STYLE BRICK.
UM, KIND OF AN HOMAGE TO THE HISTORIC AESTHETIC OF SAN ANTONIO, AND THEN A BLONDE BRICK AND THEN MIXING IN SOME GRAY BOR AND BADDEN.
UM, THAT'S A, A GOOD VIEW OF IT THERE ON THE WESTERN ELEVATION ALONG PROBAND.
UM, OUR ELEVATION ON THE EAST IS BLOCKED BY THE FLATS AT BIG TEXT FROM ANY SORT OF RIGHT OF WAY AND FROM THE RIVER ITSELF.
UH, THERE'S A 20 FOOT ELEVATION CHANGE THAT EVEN IF THE FLATS WASN'T THERE, UM, IT WOULD BE HARD TO EVEN SEE OUR PROJECT IF YOU WENT TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER IT IS IN HERE, BUT, UH, A FEW SLIDES DOWN YOU CAN SEE A PERSPECTIVE THAT, THERE YOU GO.
SO THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE PERSPECTIVES FROM THE EAST.
IT'S ALL BLOCKED OR BY ELEVATION OR FLATS AT BIG TECH.
SO OUR PRIMARY ELEVATION IS ALONG PROBAND.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S VISIBLE.
UM, THAT'S WHERE WE SPENT, YOU KNOW, A TON OF TIME CURATING, MAKING SURE THAT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING FROM THE STREET LEVEL.
UM, AND UH, JUST FROM THE VISIBLE CORRIDOR ALONG PROBAND, THAT'S HEAVILY TRAFFICKED, UM, YOU KNOW, BAKED IN OF A LOT OF REALLY COOL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.
THE WESTERN NORTHWESTERN CORNER, IT'S PRIMARILY GLASS, IT'S A LOT OF BRICK, UM, SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF, AND EVENTUALLY A LOT OF MONEY ON MAKING THAT A, A VERY PROMINENT AND AESTHETICALLY PLEASING ELEVATION.
UM, THE ONE CHANGE THAT I DON'T KNOW MADE IT INTO Y'ALL'S INITIAL MEETING.
AND IF YOU COULD GO TO THE FIRST ADDITION.
UM, TO THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL WAS WE HAD TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, OUR SITE'S CHALLENGED BY A VARIETY OF FACTORS.
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YOU KNOW, ONE, WE ONLY HAVE RIGHT OF AWAY ON ONE SIDE OF THE SITE, WE HAVE A HEAVY OR A HIGH VOLTAGE TRANSMISSION LINE RUNNING ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE AS WELL, WHICH CREATES A LARGE EASEMENT.UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE A DESIRE, WHICH I ASSUME THE H D R C SHARES TO SHIELD THE PARKING GARAGE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AND FROM VISIBILITY.
AND WITH THAT CREATES BASICALLY AN EXTREMELY NARROW FOOTPRINT PRINT FOR OUR GARAGE.
SO THE DESIGN WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED ONLY HAD 378 PARKING SPACES.
WE HAVE 414 BEDROOMS THAT'S LESS THAN ONE PER BEDROOM.
IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL MANAGEMENT COMPANIES WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT AS A DECISION FOR DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S POTENTIALLY A IMPEDIMENT TO GETTING IT FINANCED AND IT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBORS THEMSELVES.
'CAUSE PROBAND DOESN'T HAVE ANY ON-STREET PARKING.
SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE 2% OF THOSE SPACE ARE GONNA BE A D A WE HAVE VISITORS, FUTURE RESIDENTS, UM, UM, IT JUST OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T ADD UP.
SO WE ADD AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL TO ACCOMMODATE MORE PARKING, UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL LEVEL THAT BRINGS US TO 442 SPACES VERSUS THE 414 BEDS OR 1.43, UM, SPACE PER UNIT RATIO, WHICH IS A LOT MORE, UH, AMENABLE AND FUNCTIONAL AND, AND, UH, DISMISSES KIND OF ALL THOSE OTHER PRIOR ISSUES THAT I RAISED.
UM, AND EVEN THOUGH THAT YOU CAN SEE PART OF THE STAIR TOWER, WHICH I ASSUME WOULD BE AN OBJECTION BY THE H H D R C, FROM THE STREET LEVEL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A FAR CRY FROM WHAT THE OTHER APARTMENT PROJECTS IN THE AREA CURRENTLY HAVE, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE A FULL FACE OF THE GARAGE EXPOSED.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE STILL ARE, UM, I THINK A, A VAST IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT'S BEEN BUILT CURRENTLY IN THE AREA.
UM, THE H D R C UH, PRESENTED EIGHT STIPULATIONS TO OUR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH 'EM, A VAST MAJORITY OF THEM.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY COORDINATED WITH THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY AND EXECUTED A RIO FOUR COMMITMENT LETTER.
UM, WE ARE COORDINATING WITH THE, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION ON THE SITE, UM, WE AGREED TO SUBMIT A MORE DETAILED LANDSCAPING LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE PACKAGE WHEN WE COME FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, EDWARD AND I ALREADY ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT, UH, THE COMMENT ABOUT A MORE SUBSTANTIAL BUILDING CAP AT THE BOARD AND BATON AREAS.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS AND MEET WHATEVER, UM, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, DESIRED THERE.
I I THINK THAT PART OF THAT WAS JUST AN ELEVATION ISSUE THAT WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED.
THERE IS A CAP ON IT, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO FURTHER DEVELOP IT.
UM, AND, UH, WE ARE, UH, WE AGREED TO, UH, THE DARK WINDOWS AS WELL.
UM, THERE'S THREE ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE 25 FOOT DRIVE AISLE.
WE DESIGNED A 36 FOOT DRIVE AISLE IN ORDER TO HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
UH, WE DESIGNED A LEFT AND RIGHT HAND TURN LANE OUTTA THE PROPERTY AND A SINGLE LANE INTO THE PROPERTY.
GIVEN THAT WE ONLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE THAT OBVIOUSLY IT HELPS WITH QUEUING INTO THE GARAGE AND TRAFFIC FLOW OUTTA THE GARAGE, UH, PER CODE, WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS.
UM, WE WERE IN INTOX WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND HAVE VERBAL APPROVAL FOR A VARIANCE FOR A SINGLE DRIVEWAY.
UM, IT'S, WE NEED TO, WE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE DRIVEWAY BASED OFF HOW THIS CON SITE CONSTRAINTS I DISCUSSED EARLIER AND OUR DESIRE TO HIDE THE GARAGE.
UM, SO WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF THE LARGER DRIVE BREAKING UP THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY, UM, I THINK THAT 2 25 FOOT DRIVE AISLES OBVIOUSLY IS 50 FOOT OF BREAK IN THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.
UM, SO FOR THAT REASON, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ASK FOR APPROVAL FOR THE 36 FOOT DRIVEWAY INSTEAD.
UM, THE SECOND ITEM I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IS THE TWO INCH RECESSED WINDOWS.
UM, OUR WINDOWS ALONG PROBAND, WHICH IS REALLY OUR ONLY VISIBLE ELEVATION FOR THE MOST PART, ARE ALREADY RECE RECESSED FOUR INCHES BECAUSE IT'S PRIMARILY BRICK ON THAT ELEVATION.
AND SO IT'S A FULL-SIZED BRICK, WHICH CREATES A FOUR INCH RECESSED CAVITY.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BOARD AND BATTEN AREAS.
UM, OUR FIRM, IN ADDITION TO DOING REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, IS A VERY LARGE GENERAL CONTRACTOR IN THE STATE WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN SAN ANTONIO BUILDING PROJECT PROJECTS ON COURSE.
SO FLOW SOUTH WINE, UM, TO NAME A FEW.
UH, IT'S OUR OPINION THAT THAT'S A WATERPROOFING ISSUE.
UM, AND FOR THAT REASON, WE'D ASK TO, AND FOR THE REASON THAT THE PRIMARY ELEVATION IS ALREADY HAS THE MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS RECESSED, WE'D ASK FOR THE, UH, COMMISSION TO APPROVE, FOR US TO NOT RECESS THE WINDOWS OF THE BOARD AND BATTEN AREAS.
UM, THE FINAL ISSUE I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IS REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THE HIP ROOF, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GOING TO THE SITE PLAN.
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UM, SO THE HIP ROOF THAT WE ADDED, THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS THAT WE WANT THAT HIP ROOF.UM, TO NAME A FEW, THE, THE SLOPED COMPOSITE ROOF, IT, IT, IT SHEDS WATER BETTER.
UM, SO IT'S FROM OUR CONSTRUCTION TEAM'S OPINION IS BETTER FROM A DURABILITY PERSPECTIVE AND WATER INTRUSION PERSPECTIVE.
UH, WITH COMPOSITE SHINGLE, WE GET A LONGER WARRANTY THAN T P O A FLAT ROOF.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO US FOR LONG-TERM OWNERSHIP.
AND, UM, IT'S ALSO JUST AN EASIER CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
THE ENEMY OF THESE PROJECTS IS WATER INTRUSION AND WATERPROOFING.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ELIMINATE POTENTIAL ISSUES AND CREATE A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA LAST AND BE DURABLE ON THE PROBAND CORRIDOR THROUGHOUT TIME IS IMPORTANT TO US.
UM, IT ALSO HELPS HIDE MECHANICALS ON TOP OF THE, THE BUILDINGS.
IT ALSO HELPED HIDE THE PARKING GARAGE, STAIR TOWERS AND, UH, MECHANICAL PENTHOUSES.
UM, WE ANTICIPATED THIS COMMENT COMING, AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS TO MY MY FAULT, BUT, UM, IT WASN'T DIRECTLY OR BEST EXPLAINED IN OUR SUBMISSION, BUT ALONG PROBAND STREET, THE ENTIRE ROOF IS ALREADY, UH, FLAT WITH T P O ALL THE COMPOSITE SHINGLE AND HIP ROOF SECTIONS WE PUSH TO THE EASTERN SIDE.
AND IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT THE PERSPECTIVES, UM, FROM THE STREET LEVEL, UH, TOWARDS THE BACK, YOU'LL SEE THAT FROM PROBAND.
UM, THE ROOF IS NOT VISIBLE AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE 30% OF THE ROOF FACING THE STREET IS ALREADY FLAT.
UM, AND IN REALITY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STREET LEVEL LOOKING UP AT A, A VISIBLE ANGLE FROM STANDING ON THE GROUND, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE ROOF ANYWAYS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO INCLUDE ALL THESE PERSPECTIVES TO DEMONSTRATE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, UM, IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE STREET LEVEL AND LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE AND WE TRY TO ADDRESS IT TO OUR BEST ABILITY ON THE PROBAND SIDE WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WILL SEE THE PROJECT.
UM, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS I HAVE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT AND READY TO GET GOING.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? AND YOU ARE ASKING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL YES.
SO DEVELOPMENT OF THE ITEMS THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, UH, WOULD STILL BE ONGOING AS WELL AS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, PARKING DECK.
UH, AND THE DETAILS THAT THAT ENTAILS.
IF, IF I MAY I, I'LL, I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
UH, UH, EXCUSE ME, I I'LL MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
IS THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES, SIR.
ANY DISCUSSION? UM, WOULD COMMISSIONER ARIOLA BE, UM, ENTERTAIN A, UM, UM, A COMPONENT OR AN AMENDMENT TO, UH, HAVE A D R C I? I GUESS, LET'S SEE IF THIS SHAKES UP.
UM, NO, I'D LIKE TO STAND WITH THE MOTION.
WELL, AND I WILL ADD FOR CLARIFICATION, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE ROOF FORM WAS THAT EITHER IT BE REDUCED OR PROVEN THAT IT WOULDN'T BE HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THESE LATE EXHIBITS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN NOW DO IS PROVIDE THAT DEMONSTRATION OF THE VISIBILITY.
THAT'S THE, THE PROVAN SIDE, THE PERSPECTIVES ARE INTENDED TO SHOW THAT THE HIP ROOF IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET LEVEL.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, GIBBS.
CARPENTER, AYE GROUP IS ABSENT.
BOWMAN IS ABSENT, BUT SIR AYE.
SECOND, AND JUST TO NOTE, UH, THE MOTION DID NOT INCLUDE A D R C A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT IF YOU CARE TO REQUEST ONE TO GET SOME, UH, PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK ON YOUR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO REACH OUT TO STAFF.
THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH Y'ALLS TIME.
AS A REMINDER TO ALL ITEM NUMBER 17 8 0 6 BURLESON, ITEM NUMBER 18 8 0 9 BURLESON AND ITEM NUMBER 19 1 29 WOODWARD HAVE ALL BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY
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AND TO THE APPLICANT.MR. BYARD, UM, I'VE MADE YOU A PANELIST, SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AND UNMUTE.
YEAH, MY NAME'S CHAD BYER AND I'M THE OWNER OF THREE.
RACHEL'S GONNA PRESENT THE ITEM FIRST.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 7 4 3 26 FLORIDA.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ENCLOSE PART OF THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH TO CONSTRUCT A 50 SQUARE FOOT EDITION ON THE FRONT FACADE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ENCLOSING THE FRONT PORCH AND CONSTRUCTING A FRONT FACADE EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B.
AND CHAD, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DISCUSS YOUR REQUEST AT THIS TIME.
UM, YEAH, SO LIKE IT SAID, STATES HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ENCLOSE THAT PORTION OF THE PATIO WHERE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AN EXISTING WASHER AND DRYER ON THE PATIO.
THERE ARE, AND OUR INTENT IS TO MAKE THAT A BATHROOM, TO ADD A SECOND BATHROOM ONTO THAT HOUSE, UH, OFF THE, THE BEDROOM THERE.
AND AGAIN, MATCHING ALL EXISTING SIDING, NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE, THE LOOK, ANY WINDOWS, ANY DOORS, ANYTHING TO THAT NATURE.
UH, KEEPING IT UNDER THE EXISTING ROOF LINE, UH, BUT AGAIN, JUST INCREASING THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THAT HOME WITH ADDING A SECOND BATHROOM FOR THE MASTER SUITE.
UM, THIS IS A WHAT, TWO BEDROOM? ONE BATH HOUSE? UH, YEAH, CORRECT.
WELL THERE'S THE, THE ATTIC, WHICH THEY ARE CONSIDERING A THREE BEDROOM, SO IT IS CONSIDERED A THREE BED.
AND, UH, IN YOUR PROPOSED ENCLOSURE FOR THE NEW BATHROOM, ARE YOU PROPOSING ANY WINDOWS? NO.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MORE COMMENT THAN A QUESTION? I, I THINK, YES, SIR.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE IS SOME SPACE BACK BEHIND ON THIS SITE, UM, IN SOME PREVIOUS ADDITIONS THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR REMOVAL AND SIMPLIFYING CLEANING UP, I, I AM FINDING IT VERY HARD TO, TO JUSTIFY AN ADDITION THAT WOULD BE ON THE FRONT PORCH OF THE HOUSE AND ALTER, UM, THE CHARACTER OF THAT REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE THAT, THAT VERY WELCOMING, UH, PORCH BY, BY WALLING OFF PORTIONS OF IT.
SO I AM HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS.
I WILL AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UM, ENCLOSING THE LEFT HAND SIDE WOULD REALLY COMPROMISE THE CHARACTER AND YES, UM, THERE'S LOTS OF SPACE IN THE BACK THAT, UM, CAN REALLY BE EXPANDED UPON.
I GUESS I'LL STAY CONSISTENT ON THIS ONE.
WE HAD A CASE VERY SIMILAR WHERE, UM, THEY ALSO WERE DISCUSSING THEIR PATIO AND ENCLOSING IT.
AND SO, UM, I THINK, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER DEFINED IT AS PORCH, PORCH CREEP
AND UH, YEAH, I, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT TOO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR DENIAL AS SUBMITTED.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? YES SIR.
MR. CHAIR, I WANT TO YES, SIR, ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION OR EVEN STAFF, BUT APPLICANT MIGHT KNOW BETTER.
THE CONCRETE PORCH THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT AN ORIGINAL PORCH, RIGHT? CAN YOU CLARIFY IT? IT'S ORIGINAL, THE RIGHT, ORIGINALLY IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE HAD A DECKING.
UM, SO IT MIGHT'VE BEEN RAISED A LITTLE BIT EVEN, BUT THE LOCATION IS ORIGINAL.
'CAUSE IT IS JUST, IT IS JUST INTERESTING THAT THE WRAPAROUND IS ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY COMMON.
UM, THE, THE CORY, THE, THE, THE SCREEN DOOR THAT'S THERE, UM, IS THAT AFFECTED BY THE MOTION? NO, THAT CAN REMAIN.
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IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO IMPROVE THAT, WHAT, THAT COME BEFORE US OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY? LIKE IT'S A WASHER DRYER ROOM RIGHT NOW? RIGHT.SAY HE DOESN'T GET TO EXPAND BUT HE GETS TO ENHANCE WHAT'S THERE EXISTING, HOW IS THAT AFFECTED BY THE MOTION? SO HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, UH, WITH THE MOTION.
UM, IF HE WANTED TO MORE FORMALLY ENCLOSE IT WITH CITING, THEN THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT REQUEST.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT COULD HEAR THAT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH IS ABSENT.
CARPENTER, AYE GROUP IS ABSENT AND BOWMAN IS ABSENT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 82 1 15 CEDAR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PAINT THE EXISTING METAL ROOF BLACK AND TWO, REPLACE TWO SIDE DOORS ON THE HOUSE WITH NEW DOORS.
ITEM ONE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ROOF PAINTING BASED ON FINDING B.
THE APPLICATION OF A ROOF COATING THAT MATCHES THE HISTORIC ROOF COLOR IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED DOOR REPLACEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS REPLACEMENT DOORS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING ENTRY DOORS AND MATERIAL SIZE AND PROFILE.
THE REPLACEMENT DOORS MUST NOT FEATURE FOUR DIVIDED LIGHTS OR INTERNAL BLINDS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF A APPROPRIATENESS.
AND THE OWNER, LLOYD VERNO, IS WITH US VIRTUALLY.
HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR.
I'M THE OWNER OF, UH, ONE 15 CEDAR STREET.
COULD WE, UH, GET TO, UM, CAN I SCROLL THROUGH THE, THIS IS WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKED LIKE ALMOST BEFORE I GOT AHOLD OF IT.
CAN WE GO TO THE ACTUAL FRONT? OKAY.
ON THIS PAGE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER AND ZOOM IN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER.
SO ON THAT BI I JUST WANNA MAKE IT JUST KNOWN RIGHT HERE THAT, THAT ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY FRONT, THIS IS FROM THE STREET, YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THE ROOF.
THE ROOF WAS NOT PART OF THE DESIGNER'S INTENTION TO BE FOCUSED ON.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PICTURES, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE SIDE PROFILE OF THE HOUSE THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY FROM THE STREET.
SO IF WE COULD KIND OF ZOOM BACK UP OR JUST STICK ON THIS SAME PAGE AND GO, GO UP.
I WANNA SHOW THAT WINDOW TO THE, TO THE LEFT ON MY PAGE.
THAT IS A, THAT IS AN ORIGINAL WINDOW RIGHT THERE.
SO I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S VERY, VERY UNIQUE.
SO WHAT THE INTENTIONS HERE, AND I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT, AS YOU COULD HAVE SEEN FROM THE ORIGINAL PICTURES OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, I AM ABOUT PRESERVATION AND I HAVE MULTIPLE HISTORIC HOUSES THAT I'VE PRESERVED MYSELF.
SO MY, MY FEELING OF THE INTENTION OF THE DESIGNER IS THAT THIS WINDOW IS PART OF ITS, UH, FOCUS.
SO WHEN WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT WINDOW, THE, I WANT IT TO BLEND IN WITH THE ACTUAL ROOF AND IT'S THE ROOF THAT YOU CAN HARDLY SEE FROM THE STREET AS WELL.
THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, PATCHING THAT STILL HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WORK ON THE ROOF BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS HEARING.
THERE'S A LOT OF PATCHES AND LIKE FOR THAT BACK PART, WE HAVE A LOT OF LEAKS EVERYWHERE.
SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A REALLY GOOD CASE TO REPLACE THE ROOF 'CAUSE IT, WHEN IT RAINS, IT RAINS INSIDE AS WELL.
SO I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO PRESERVE THE ROOF, BUT UH, I'M GONNA NEED TO ADD A CRICKET OR SOMETHING BACK THERE BECAUSE WATER STAYS THERE AND THEN PUT SOME MORE FLASHING.
AND AS I START ADDING THESE THINGS AND IF I CANNOT PAINT IT TO A COLOR, IT'S JUST GONNA MAKE THE MORE, UH, IMPERFECTIONS STAND OUT.
SO I WANT TO KEEP IT, I WANT TO PAINT IT BLACK 'CAUSE IT GOES WELL WITH THE COLOR SCHEME.
IT'S GONNA, IT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT WINDOW POP OUT AND THEN IT CAN HIDE A LOT MORE IMPERFECTIONS WITH THAT COLOR.
UM, AND IT GOES WITH THE COLOR SCHEME.
UH, SO THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT THE SAME, BUT THAT JUST, IT JUST FOR, FOR,
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FOR US AND OUR VISION OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, WE SEE A BLACK ROOF.AND AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE'S ALREADY, THE ROOF LOOKS PRACTICALLY BLACK.
IF WE GO TO KING WILLIAM AND THEN, UH, GO TO THE LEFT A LITTLE BIT.
THIS ISN'T KING WILLIAM, AND THAT RIGHT THERE IS A BLACK ROOF.
AND THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THIS IS THEIR FRONT, THIS IS WHAT YOU COULD SEE FROM THE STREET, FROM THE STREET LEVEL.
YOU'RE NOT SEEING MY BLACK ROOF.
UM, BUT THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR A BLACK ROOF.
UH, THIS IS KIND OF A FADED BLACK ROOF, WHICH I'M, I'M OKAY WITH DOING SOME SORT OF A MATTED FINISH OR I'M, I'M WILLING TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE.
BUT I SEE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, THERE IS A BLACK ROOF IN KING WILLIAM, AND THIS IS IN THE VERY FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
MY, MY ROOF IS HARDLY SEEN FROM THE STREET.
AND IN MY LAST CASE IS IF YOU GO DOWN, STAY ON THAT, THE, THE PREVIOUS PAGE, UH, ZOOM TO THE LEFT, BOTTOM LEFT.
SO WE HAVE SOLAR PANELS IN HISTORIC, SO IT WOULD BE OKAY FOR ME TO POP BLACK SOLAR PANELS ON MY ROOF WHEN THIS IS VERY CONTRARY TO ANYTHING HISTORIC.
UM, SO I DON'T, I JUST SEE, I JUST SEEM THAT'S A BIT, UH, HYPOCRITICAL WHEN WE'RE ADDING TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY TO A HISTORIC HOUSE HAPPENS TO BE BLACK AND I CAN'T PAINT MY ROOF BLACK.
SO, UM, I THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND THAT'S AS FAR AS THE ROOF, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY CASE FOR THE ROOF.
UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN ASKING, BUT DO WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR THIS ONE? THERE'S A COUPLE OF LETTERS IN YOUR PACKET, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS.
UM, THE, UM, THE PICTURE THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, LET'S SEE THE SECOND PICTURE DOWN.
IS IT INDICATING THAT IT'S A COPPER ROOF AND THAT, THAT THAT'S A PATINA, THE PICTURE SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YEAH, PICTURE DOWN THAT SECOND PICTURE.
SO SEE THE, THE WATER FLOW, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S, UM, IS IT, IS THAT SPRAY PAINT OR IS THAT A COPPER ROOF THAT IS PETIT? IT'S UH, IT'S RUST.
IT, IT'S, UH, THIS, THIS, THIS ROOF WAS ORIGINALLY PAINTED BEFORE.
I CAN'T SEE THE, THE COLOR BENEATH IT, BUT IT'S, THAT'S ALL RUST.
IT'S RUST, BUT SO THE GREEN THAT WE SEE IS NOT A, UM, IT'S NOT A RELATED TO THE METAL THAT'S SPRAY PAINT.
I CAN'T, I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT AS WHEN I'M, I'M ON THAT ROOF, BUT IT DOES, THE ROOF WAS PAINTED AT SOME POINT.
YEAH, I'D SAY IT'S, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A, FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UH, THIS, IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT THAT GREEN COULD BE THE ORIGINAL COLOR ON THERE, BUT UH, THAT ROOF WAS PAINTED THERE.
IT, THERE IS NO, WELL, NO COPPER, IT'S JUST METAL UNDERNEATH.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF, IF THE, IF THE EXPECTATION WAS THAT THE MATERIALITY WAS GONNA CREATE A PATINA AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT IF THAT'S JUST SPRAY PAINT RIGHT.
AND, AND IT IS A DARK ROOF HIDDEN BEHIND, IT'S INTEGRATED FROM ONE WALL TO THE OTHER WALL.
I, I, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY, UM, A MAT MATTED FINISH LOW PROFILED STANDING SEAM ROOF WITHOUT A RIDGE CAP WOULDN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR THE APPLICANT.
BUT AS WELL FOR, FOR OUR PURPOSES.
UM, WHAT PORTION OF THE FOOTPRINT IS ORIGINAL ON THIS HOUSE? ALL OF IT IF, YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE THE SANBORN IS IN THIS PACKAGE.
UM, BUT AS IT APPEARS ON THE SANBORN, I BELIEVE THE FIRST APPEARANCE IS THE 19, UM, 1930 SANBORN.
AND IT IS, UH, THE SAME FOOTPRINT INCLUDING THE FACADE WALL WITH THE PARAPET.
AND THE PARAPET ISN'T INDICATED, BUT I'M ASSUMING, YES.
SO IF, IF YOU MAY JUST, JUST BECAUSE I, THIS IS MY HOUSE AND I DO APPRECIATE THE HISTORICNESS.
I PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS HOUSE THAN ANYBODY HERE, BUT THIS WAS A, ORIGINALLY A PORTRAIT STUDIO IN 1929.
SO, UM, THAT FRONT YOU COULD SEE THAT WINDOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S MORE THAN LIKELY WHERE WE THINK, OR I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE TAKING PICTURES FROM, UH, BEFORE TO GET THAT
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NATURAL LIGHTING.SO, UH, ANYWAY, JUST, JUST JUST SO THE BOARD KNOWS MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST QUICK QUESTION FOR THE, UH, ADVOCATE THEN.
YOUR PROPOSAL IS JUST TO PAINT THIS ROOF, RIGHT? ARE THERE ANY REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO IT? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME ROUGH ITEMS? YES, THERE'S A LOT OF LEAKS, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHY I WANT TO PAINT IT BLACK BECAUSE IT'LL BE EASIER TO HIDE THE REPAIRS.
WE ALSO STILL, I STILL, BECAUSE OF ZONING THIS PROPERTY'S BEEN SITTING FOR TWO MONTHS, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PULL PERMITS, BUT NOW WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, WE'RE ADDING ALL THE PLUMBING, SO WE WILL HAVE TO BE POP BENDING UP THROUGH THE ROOF, WHICH IT MAY CAUSE SOME OTHER ISSUES, BUT YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IF I CAN GO BLACK WITH IT, I CAN MAKE IT BLEND IN.
I COULD MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY DESIGNED THAT WAY.
AND CAN YOU ALSO, SO I'M GONNA KEEP THE ROOF.
UH, CAN YOU ALSO SPEAK TO THE REQUEST ABOUT THE, UH, THE DOOR REPLACEMENT AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT? UH, YEAH, IF WE CAN JUST GO TO THE NEXT, UH, PAGE.
SO THERE'S PICTURES OF THIS DOOR.
IT ACTUALLY HAD BEEN KICKED IN MORE, MORE TIMES.
WE'VE HAD THIS PROJECT THAT BEEN VANDALIZED, UH, MORE AND MORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY FAULT IS THAT, UH, THIS, THE LAST TIME IT GOT KICKED IN, IT WAS ON A FRIDAY.
AND I, I I, I'M HONEST WITH YOU, I WENT ONLINE AND SPENT 30, 45 MINUTES TRYING TO FIND THE, THE MANUAL FOR THE DOOR.
SO THIS DOOR, KNOWING, THE DOOR I ACTUALLY REPLACED IT WITH IS THE ACTUAL DOOR THAT I SEE JUST WITHIN A 10 MINUTE CAR RIDE, MAYBE A DOZEN TIMES THROUGHOUT HISTORIC.
SO I HAD TO SECURE THE PROPERTY.
SO AS YOU COULD SEE, I POPPED UP PROPERTIES IN KING WILLIAM AND DIG WITTY IN UH, LA VACA.
AND THIS IS JUST WITHIN A 10 MINUTE, I, I MEAN, I CAN GIVE YOU 20 HOU, I CAN GIVE YOU PLENTY OF HOUSES THAT HAVE THAT SAME EXACT DOOR.
UM, SO THIS IS THE REASON THAT I WENT TO GO PURCHASE THAT DOOR, UM, AND, AND REPLACE IT.
AND, UM, AND THEN THE SIDE DOOR IS, THERE'S NO SIGN HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THAT DOOR RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S JUST A, I MEAN, BASIC KITCHEN DOOR.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE A BEDROOM.
UH, SO I CANNOT HAVE A WINDOW DOOR THERE.
WE'RE IN SOUTH TOWN, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF FOOT TRAFFIC.
SO FOR OUR PRIVACY AND SECURITY, THAT DOOR IS JUST GONNA BE A TWO PANEL DOOR, WHICH IS ALSO ALL OVER HISTORIC.
UH, I HAVE ONE ON MY HISTORIC HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS, UH, IS WHY I, I I WENT AND, UH, SWITCHED OUT THAT DOOR, BUT IT, IT NEEDS TO BE SOLID DOOR 'CAUSE UH, FOR SECURITY AND PRIVACY.
YEAH, AND I, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE ASKING SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, FAUX DIVIDED LIGHT.
I MEAN, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS, IS NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, REPLICATE WHAT'S THERE, BUT IF, IF, IF WHAT'S THERE IS SORT OF NON-CONFORMING, THEN TRY TO, IN AN EFFORT TO PRESERVATION, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE MAKING ALTERATIONS, SO THE, THE PROPOSED DOOR OR THE DOOR THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE, UM, FOR THE, FOR THE FRONT DOOR, NOT THAT SIDE DOOR THAT'S GOING INTO THE BEDROOM, DOES IT HAVE FAUX DIVIDED LIGHTS? UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M NOT AT THE PROPERTY, BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
BUT THAT, THAT IS THE SAME DOOR THAT EVERY OTHER, UH, HOUSE THAT I FOUND HAS.
SO, AND AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UM, THAT'S NOT THE FIRST DOOR YOU SEE.
AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SIDE PROFILE.
SO THAT IS, WAS NOT THE FOCUS OF THE DESIGNER TO MAKE THAT DOOR THE FOCUS LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN MOST OF THESE HOUSES.
I HAVE A DOOR QUESTION, UH, FOR THE OWNER.
UM, THE DOOR TO THE BEDROOM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE A SOLID PANEL, UM, IS THAT AN OPERABLE DOOR THAT THE OCCUPANT WOULD BE USING IT USING? OR ARE YOU MAINTAINING A DOORWAY FOR HISTORIC PURPOSES? NO, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, ON MY PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE BEGINNING, I, I RESTORED ALL THE WINDOWS.
UH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S THE MASTER BEDROOM.
AND LIKE MOST MASTERS IN, IN THAT ERA, THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DOOR.
THE ONE, THE DOOR WITHOUT ANY LIGHTS ON AN EXTERIOR, UH, ELEVATION TENDS TO LOOK VERY, UM, IT, IT'S NOT INVITING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A MAIN ENTRYWAY, BUT STILL THE CHARACTER OF THAT
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DOOR IS VERY UTILITARIAN.SO I WONDER IF THERE'S A, UM, ANOTHER TYPE OF LIGHTED DOOR THAT CAN HAVE ENHANCED SECURITY.
I HAVE HAVE THAT SAME DOOR HERE.
THIS IS SAME EXACT DOOR AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT.
I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I'M AT.
BUT IS THAT DOOR FACING THE STREET OR, OR IS THE LIGHTED DOOR FACING THE STREET? FAIR.
SO WE HAVE A PRO, LIKE WHAT I'D LIKE A SOLID DOOR, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT THIS PROJECT IS STARTING TO COST ME MORE MONEY BECAUSE OF THE CITY ZONING AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
LIKE I MENTIONED, IT'S SAT, THIS PROJECT'S JUST SAT FOR TWO MONTHS, WHICH IS JUST DRAINING ME AT THIS MOMENT.
SO I, I CAN'T AFFORD TO SWITCH OUTDOORS.
I'M GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE I MIGHT HAVE TO SELL IT AND I PROMISE YOU SOMEONE WILL NOT BUY IT.
SO I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE ANYBODY ANY SOFT STORY.
I'M JUST AT A POINT WHERE, UH, I CAN'T, I CAN'T AFFORD TO SWITCH OUTDOORS.
HAVE, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU UM, GONE TO A, YOU KNOW, LIKE THESE ARCHITECTURAL RESTORATION PLACES? THERE'S ONE THERE ON, UM, OFF OF AUSTIN STREET.
YOU, YOU HAVEN'T FOUND A DOOR JUST TO, THEY DON'T HAVE A WOODEN DOOR.
WELL, THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT I WANT THE WHOLE DOOR WITH THE WHOLE CASING AT ALL.
THESE, THESE DOORS, THE ARCHITECTURE.
THAT'S A TRUE, IT'S A THICKER DOOR.
SO DOOR I'D HAVE TO CUSTOMIZE AND BUILD IT.
SO IT'S JUST MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO BUY A DOOR WITH THE WHOLE, WITH THE, WITH THE WHOLE, WITH THE WHOLE SCENE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I JUST, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU COULD BE HERE FOR THE WINDOW ARGUMENTS THAT VERY, THERE'S A VERY, UM, UM, UM, DEDICATED ATTITUDE TOWARD, YOU KNOW, THE RECREATION OF, OF, OF THE FRAMES AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT I'M, I'M SURE THAT, THAT, THAT IN ONE OF THOSE RESTORATION ENVIRONMENTS, 'CAUSE I KNOW THE ONE THERE OFF OF AUSTIN, THEY MANY TIMES THEY HAVE THE FRAME INTACT WITH THE DOOR AND THE PRICES ARE USUALLY PRETTY REASONABLE.
NO, WELL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SIR, I, I, I'VE BEEN, I, I'M, I'M IN THESE THINGS ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK, I CAN TELL YOU EVERYBODY'S NAME, UH, WITH THE WINDOWS.
I, I, I'M, I RESTORE ALL THESE WINDOWS.
I JUST, I'VE GONE THROUGH THERE AND THEY, THEY'RE NOT CHEAP.
SO, UM, THAT'S, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, TO, TO ONE OF THESE DOORS, THESE OLD DOORS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT CHEAPER, UH, THAN, THAN THESE DOORS.
I JUST, UH, I, I DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT FIT OUR VISION AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE AS WELL.
A QUESTION, THE, THE DOOR WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, THE UH, THE NINE LIGHT DOOR, DO YOU STILL HAVE THAT ON PROPERTY? UH, WELL I HAVE IT IN MY SHED, UH, WHICH I CAN BRING YOU, BUT THAT'S JUST A METAL DOOR WITH, UH, FAUX LIGHTS.
SO I REPLACED IT WITH THE METAL DOOR WITH, WITH WITH NO LIGHTS.
SO THAT'S A, THE EXISTING ONE IS THE METAL DOOR WITH FAUX LIGHTS? YES.
BUT THE OTHER DOOR THAT YOU'RE ASKING TO REPLACE THAT WAS A WOOD DOOR.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK KIND OF CLOSE, TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS HOLLOW.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M NOT SEEING ANY REASON TO REALLY DEVIATE STRONGLY FROM WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.
SO I MOVE WITH, UH, APPROVAL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS.
UM, CLARIFICATION ON THE ROOF FORM THAT IS PROJECTING ABOVE THE ROOF, THAT'S PAINTED GREEN.
UM, IF HE WANTED TO REPAINT THAT DARK TO BLEND IN WITH THE ROOF, WOULD THAT BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED? SINCE IT'S JUST PAINTING? YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY THAT WE'VE HAD A SIMILAR REQUEST BEFORE.
I MEAN, THE GUIDELINES SAY, UM, NOT TO USE DARK COLORS OR MANUFACTURER'S COLORS.
AND SO A ROLL ON COATING AND A DARK COLOR WOULD BE SOMETHING NEW.
UM, HISTORICALLY, UM, A LIGHTER COLOR WOULD'VE BEEN USED ON ROOFS.
THAT'S WHAT WE TRADITIONALLY SEE.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR GUIDELINES
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EXPRESSLY PROHIBIT A DARKER COATING.UM, GENERALLY WE DON'T GET INTO COLORS FOR OTHER ITEMS. I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT THE, THE PARTS THAT ARE PAINTED GREEN, THE, THE SIDEWALLS OF THAT, UH, POP-UP ROOF.
THERE'S NO REASON THEY COULDN'T BE PAINTED A SIMILAR COLOR AS THEY ARE NOW.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH IS ABSENT.
IT LOOKS LIKE OUR CAMERA FEED MIGHT BE FROZEN.
UM, GIVE US JUST A COUPLE MINUTES.
ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2 20 21 DASH 5 7 3 6 30 EAST CARSON.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REVERT THE EXISTING 400 SQUARE FOOT CASITA OUTBUILDING INTO A GARAGE INVOLVING THE FOLLOWING EXTERIOR AND SITE MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE.
ITEM ONE, CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO EXTEND THE EAST FACADE AND EXTEND THE LIEN TWO ON THE NORTH SIDE TO BE FLUSH WITH THE EXTENDED EAST FACADE.
ITEM TWO, ADD SIDEWALK HARD SCAPING TO CONNECT THE EXISTING SIDEWALK TO THE REAR ENTRY OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND REMOVE TWO TREES FROM LANDSCAPING.
ITEM THREE, INSTALL TWO NINE BY EIGHT FOOT GARAGE DOORS ON THE EAST FACADE.
ITEM FOUR, RELOCATE AND REPURPOSE ONE WINDOW FROM THE EAST FACADE TO THE NORTH FACADE.
ITEM FIVE, REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A WOOD PRIVACY FENCING AT THE WEST AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY AND INSTALL A WOOD GATE.
ITEM SIX, ADD A SLAB FOUNDATION.
ITEM SEVEN, REPLACE DAMAGED SIDING AND PAINT THE PAINT THE EXTERIOR.
REPLACE THE ROOF WITH BLACK SHINGLES AND MATCH TO MATCH THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
ITEM NINE, INSTALL A CONDENSER UNIT AT THE WEST OF WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION TO THE, TO EXTEND THE EAST FACADE.
AN EXTENSION OF THE LANE TWO ON THE NORTH FACADE BASED ON FINDING C.
IN ADDITION, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND IS DECIDED TO THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE STRUCTURE AND IS THEREFORE CONSISTENT WITH NEIGHBORING SETBACKS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, ADDITION OF SIDEWALK HARDSCAPING AND REMOVAL OF TWO TREES IS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING D.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, INSTALLATION OF TWO NINE BY EIGHT GARAGE DOORS ON EAST FACADE BASED ON FINDINGS B AND E UNDER THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
STIPULATION ONE THAT THE REPLACEMENT GARAGE DOORS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE FOUND ON HISTORIC GARAGES IN THE DISTRICT.
ITEM TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGE AS MUCH EXISTING MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING WOOD SIDING AND STRUCTURAL MEMBERS FOR REUSE ON SITE RESALE OR DONATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, RELOCATION OF ONE WINDOW FROM THE EAST FACADE TO THE NORTH FACADE AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDINGS B AND F WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE WINDOW IS REINSTALLED WITH THE MINIMUM OF THE STANDARD STIPULATIONS.
THIS MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY REASSESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR WITH THE INSTALLATION OF AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM TO ADD THICKNESS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, REPLACEMENT OF THE CHAIN CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH PRIVACY FENCE AT WEST AND SOUTH
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SIDES BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PRIVACY FENCE WILL BE SET BACK FROM THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE AND NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.ADDITIONALLY, THE GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 DASH 514.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX, ADDITION OF A SLOT FOUNDATION BASED ON FINDING H STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN REPLACEMENT AND REPAINTING OF DAMAGED WOOD SIDING AND ITEM EIGHT REPLACEMENT OF TI SHINGLE ROOF WITH A BLACK SHINGLE ROOF.
BASED ON FINDINGS I AND J RESPECTIVELY STAFF ADDS THE STIPULATION FROM MATERIAL SALVAGE AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGE AS MUCH EXISTING MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING WHAT WOOD CITING AND STRUCTURAL MEMBERS FOR REUSE ON SITE RESALE OR DONATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NINE, INSTALLATION OF A CONDENSER UNIT AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE BASED ON FINDING K.
UM, A REQUEST FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW CONCRETE DRIVEWAY TO THE REAR GARAGE WAS APPROVED IN 2017 WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE DRIVEWAY MEET THE GUIDELINES AND BE NO WIDER THAN 10 FEET AT THE STREET.
AN UPDATED SITE PLAN, WHICH MEETS THE STIPULATIONS WILL BE REQUIRED BEFORE ISSUANCE OF A C O A.
UM, I'D LIKE TO NOTE AN UPDATE HERE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE SUCH A SITE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED CONSENT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEM ONE AND HAS SUBMITTED PLANS FOR, UH, THE ADDITION TO BE CITED AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UH, LET'S GET THE APPLICANT ON, OKAY.
MR. HELLER, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF OR I CAN SEND YOU A REQUEST? YES.
NOW, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UM, CO CORY, WHAT WOULD, UM, AM I ADDRESSING THE RIGHT PERSON? NO, HANNAH'S THE CASE MANAGER.
SO YOU WOULD, WOULD, UM, IT BE, UH, A SMARTER PATHWAY FOR THE APPLICANT TO TAKE THE COMMENTS AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO A PLAN? AND IF, IF, IF AN APPLICANT DID THAT, THEN WOULD IT SHORTEN THE FINDINGS LIST? BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE ELEMENTS WOULD ALREADY BE IN THE PLAN? IT WOULD, UH, SO IN THIS CASE, UM, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF ALL OF THE REQUESTS EXCEPT FOR THE ADDITION, UM, IN THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE AND HAS, UH, PROPOSED THAT THIS GO TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, WHICH, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SENT PLANS FOR.
HE, HE CONSENTED TO THAT STIPULATION FOLLOWING THE POSTING AND SO WE HAVE UPDATED PLANS, BUT THEY, THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC POSTING.
SO THEN ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE FINDINGS ARE ALREADY IN AGREEMENT? YES.
A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WOULD SATISFY, I MEAN, WITH RESPECT TO THERE NOT HAVING ALREADY BEEN COMMENTS, BUT IT WOULD SATISFY THE, OKAY.
THAT WAS SO, AND MR. HELLER CAN CONFIRM IF HE, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT HE'S IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS SO FAR.
WELL, IF IT PLEASES THE COMMISSION, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE, UH, AS PRESENTED BY STAFF WITH ALL OF STAFF'S FINDINGS.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
AND I WOULD JUST WANNA JUST THANK, UH, HANNAH, RACHEL, KATIE AND EDWARD.
UH, I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING VERY, VERY HARD AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE KATIE STARTS, THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED FROM THE LAST HEARING BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS NOT PRESENT.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE SAME SITUATION TODAY.
UM, SO I'LL HAVE HER QUICKLY JUST READ THE RECOMMENDATION AND, AND REQUEST INTO THE RECORD.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23, UM, H D R C, CASE 20 21 5 4 95 36 SPOTTER ROAD.
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THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE EXISTING PERIMETER FENCE WITH NEW FENCING.THE PROPOSED HEIGHT IS SIX FEET AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE PROPOSED PRIVACY FENCE DOES NOT EXTEND BEYOND THE FRONT WALL PLANE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE SITE, THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCE BE NO TALLER THAN FOUR FEET, AND PREDOMINANTLY OPEN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND, UM, THAT THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE.
COREY, DO I NEED TO READ ALL OF THAT INTO THE RECORD? NO.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT AGAIN.
YEAH, I'M NOT SEEING ONE, MR. CHAIR.
UH, WHEN THIS, HE, WHEN THIS WAS HEARD, UH, MADE SOME COMMENTS, I THINK BELIEVE MR. CARPENTER, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, PUT IT ON, UH, UH, FOR THIS, THIS, UH, MEETING.
I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE'S AN APPLICANT HERE OR NOT, THE PRECEDENT SET BY ITEM ONE AND TWO IS, UM, UM, NOT REALISTIC TO THE ENVIRONMENT THAT THIS HOUSE FINDS ITSELF IN.
UM, THESE ARE LARGE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT, UM, AND, AND I MEAN, IT'S A SHAME THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE TO, TO, TO SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT, THAT I WOULD SAY.
BUT, UH, THERE'S WILD BOAR, THERE'S HORSES, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF, OF WILDLIFE.
AND, UM, A PRECEDENT THAT'S SET WOULD BE A BAD PRECEDENT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT REALLY IS KIND OF A CATTLE ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, AT LEAST IT'S, THAT'S THE AESTHETIC OF, OF, OF THE DEEP SOUTH SIDE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I WOULD, I, I WOULD THINK THAT A, A, UM, A MOTION WOULD BE A MOTION THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, SUPPORTS ITEM THREE AND THAT WITH RESPECT TO ITEM, UH, UH, ONE, ONE IS NOT, IS NOT RELEVANT IN, IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
AND THEN ITEM TWO, THAT PERHAPS THE REAL, UM, STAFF, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITY IS WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE, THE TYPE OF FENCING.
BUT SIX FEET FOR THIS ENVIRONMENT IS, IS, IS NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE, BUT IT'S LIKE NECESSARY.
AND THE IDEA THAT YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THE 300, 400, 500 FEET BEFORE YOU GET TO HAVE THE FRONT FENCES, THAT'S JUST NOT THE SOUTH SIDE.
I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT SAN JOSE MISSION HAS A WALL AROUND IT, RIGHT? UH, I'M SURE THE CONDITIONS ARE VERY DIFFERENT.
BUT WITH RESPECT TO THOSE OF US THAT GREW UP AND KNOW THE SOUTH SIDE VERY WELL, THESE ARE FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, THEY'RE RANCHES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER EACH CASE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND, UM, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IS THERE, WITHIN THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE ADOPTED FOR THE MISSION DISTRICT SPECIAL LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE MISSING HERE THAT MIGHT GIVE ACCOMMODATION TO A CASE LIKE THIS? IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING INCLUDED IN THE MISSION MANUAL THAT WOULD INFORM THIS FURTHER THAN THE CITYWIDE GUIDELINES.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR, OF COMMENTS, BUT I'M, THE, THE, THE COMMENTS, MY COMMENTS ARE REALLY TIED TO THE PRECEDENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS THE ENVIRONMENT THAT HAS NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES FOR A LONG, FOR A LOT OF SQUARE MILES.
SO I, I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT BECAUSE I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE CASE BY CASE SCENARIO.
I THINK THAT IT'S COMMON BECAUSE THEY ALREADY EXIST AND HAVE EXISTED HISTORICALLY.
THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT'S WHY I SAY THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE, OF THE FENCE, THE POST CATTLE, UH, UH, WIRE VERSUS CYCLONE, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S REALLY SOME STRONG CAPABILITY ADMINISTRATIVELY TO SAY THAT THE VOCABULARY IS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE RURAL CONTEXT.
AND, AND MAYBE A CYCLONE FENCE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE, UM, URBAN, UH, UM, A SOLUTION.
SO I THINK THERE'S SOME LEEWAY FOR STAFF TO, TO GUIDE THE AESTHETIC, BUT THE HEIGHT AND THE FRONT, UM, UH, WOULD FALL OUT.
IT, I, I MEAN, IF, IF THERE AREN'T ANY COMMENTS, IF IT MAKE A MOTION
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AND SEE IF IT COMES OUT, RIGHT? WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS, UH, BASED ON THE DISTRICT THAT IT'S IN, THE, THE TYPE OF PROPERTIES THESE ARE.UM, BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT THE GUIDELINES, UH, DO PLAY A PART, DO PLAY A ROLE HERE.
UM, ONE THING THAT I MIGHT SUPPORT IS IF THE PRIVACY FENCE, INSTEAD OF BEING SIX FEET THAT STOPS AT THE FRONT OF THIS HOUSE, IF IT STOPPED AT THE FRONT EDGE OF THE ADJACENT HOUSE, WHICH IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE ROAD, UM, AND THEN FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, GO WITH THE, UH, THE STEEL PICKET FENCE THAT IS PROPOSED.
BUT AT FOUR FEET, THAT'D BE SOMETHING I COULD PROBABLY SUPPORT, UH, MR. CHAIR.
I, UM, YES, I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, IMPORTANCE OF, UM, COMPROMISE IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
THIS AREA, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SUPPORT STAFF, UM, EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
UM, THIS IS CLEARLY AN OPEN RANCH SETTING.
UM, MANY OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG THIS STRETCH HAVE ACCOMMODATED THEIR SENSE OF SECURITY ENCLOSURE, TERRITORY TERRITORIALNESS, AND THEIR CONCERNS WITH OPEN METAL FENCES OF A VARIETY OF TYPES, WHETHER IT IS, UM, CHAIN LINK, THEY'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S FOUR FOOT HIGH CHAIN LINK, UM, THEIR OTHER TYPES OF CATTLE FENCES.
THIS PROPERTY, I THINK HAS BARBED WIRE.
UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT REALLY DRIVE THAT OPEN PLAIN FEELING THAT IS OF SIMILAR OR WHAT IS INDICATIVE OF THIS PART OF THE MISSION.
SO FOR THAT REASON, I, I WOULD TEND TO SUPPORT STAFF'S, UM, CONSIDERATION.
I THINK THIS WAS DONE ON A CASE BY CASE, AND THAT IS, I BELIEVE, ACCURATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, JUST TO ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO THEN WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT STAFF IS THAT THIS, I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT RECOMMENDATION TO THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCE TO BE NO TALLER THAN FOUR FEET, AND THEN ONE, THE PROPOSED PRIVACY FENCE DOES NOT EXTEND BEYOND THE FRONT WALL PLANE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON SITE.
THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO IF, IF, UM, SO THIS, SO, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY, I GUESS ANY SUPPORT FOR A SIX FOOT OPEN FENCE? I MEAN, THE HARD, I THINK THE HARD THING IS THAT THE, THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE.
OTHER COMMENTS OR A MOTION CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I JUST, JUST ASK THE, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION THAT PERHAPS MAYBE THE PROPER THING TO DO WOULD BE TO HAVE NO MOTION AND LET IT JUST FAIL SO THAT WE DON'T SET A PRECEDENT.
BECAUSE EVEN THE, THE, EVEN THE FOUR FOOT FENCE IS KIND OF WAY OUTTA CONTEXT.
I MEAN, THE, UH, PRIVACY FENCE BEING PUSHED BACK, IT'S ALLOWABLE, BUT IT, IT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE FROM THE SKY, YOU CAN SEE HOW EVEN THAT INTERRUPTS THE VERY THING THAT WE'RE TRYING NOT TO INTERRUPT.
SO IF WE WERE TO LET IT JUST FAIL, JUST, I MEAN, JUST, JUST KIND OF LIKE, NO ACTION, THEN NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.
AND PERHAPS THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHOW UP TO CREATE SOME CHANGE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, I THINK IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE.
IT'S ALREADY THERE, SO WHY CHANGE IT? WELL, IF THIS MOTION PASSES, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATE PLAN, CORRECT? YES.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? IT BEFORE YOU DO ROLL CALL, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT I, I AGREE WITH THE CONCERNS THAT MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS MAKING ABOUT THE APPLICABILITY OF THESE, UM, RULES.
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I WISH THAT HAD BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE MISSION DISTRICT'S GUIDELINES.UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE START SETTING THE PRECEDENCE, IS WE JUST START ERODING AWAY THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED.
I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO REVISIT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND GET THE, GET THE BENEFIT OF OUR, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHO'S ON THIS COMMISSION AND, AND SEE AND, AND SEE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS REALLY APPROPRIATE, UH, WAY OF, OF ADDRESSING BOUNDARY DEFINITION AND SECURITY AND ALL THE OTHER CONCERNS HERE? I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT IT'S NOT, NOT WITHOUT, UH, UH, ADMISSION THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A VALID A CONCERN HERE.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
YEAH, I WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL AND SHARE SOME OF THOSE SAME SENTIMENTS.
UM, I THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE WITH RESPECT TO THE MISSION DISTRICT, I, IS THAT THE ENTIRE STRETCH, THE COMPOSITION OF DENSITY LAND, EVERYTHING CHANGES, UM, PRETTY DRAMATICALLY FROM ONE MISSION TO THE NEXT.
SO, UH, WHILE THE GUIDELINES ARE HELPFUL, I, I I, I, I, I SHARE THE CONCERN WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY, UH, SOMEONE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO REVISIT THESE.
AND THE POINT IS, THERE WERE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES MADE FOR THIS DISTRICT, AND I ASSUME THOSE WERE MOTIVATED BY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT, HEY, THIS DISTRICT IS DIFFERENT FROM, SAY, A INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
THIS ABSENT S AYE VELAZQUEZ NAY OLA.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 H D R C CASE 2021 DASH 5 62 3 24 EAST MYRTLE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 16 EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ON THE EAST, WEST, AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS OF THE HOUSE, AND TO REMOVE ONE EXISTING VINYL WINDOW FROM THE EAST ELEVATION AND ENCLOSED WITH WOOD SIDING.
UM, FOR ITEM ONE WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE WOOD WINDOWS BE REPAIRED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
IN INSTANCES WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL SASH HAS FAILED, A SALVAGED OR TRADITIONALLY REPLICATED WOOD SASH MAY BE INSTALLED.
IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF'S STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFFER REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT THE WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE AN INSET OF TWO INCHES WITHIN FACADES AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
RAILS MUST BE NO TALLER THAN ONE AND A QUARTER INCH, AND STYLES NO WIDER THAN TWO AND A QUARTER, WHICH, UH, WHITE MANUFACTURER'S COLOR IS NOT ALLOWED.
AND COLOR SELECTION MUST BE PRESENTED TO STAFF.
THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES IN DEPTH BETWEEN THE FRONT FACE OF THE WINDOW TRIM AND THE FRONT FACE OF THE STOP WINDOW SASH.
THIS MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RECESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR WITH THE INSTALLATION OF ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM.
TO ADD THICKNESS WINDOW TRIM MUST FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS AND ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE SEAL DETAIL.
WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR CONCEALED BY WOOD WINDOW SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING, AND THAT THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE OR DONATED TO A LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE STORE.
AND, UH, FOR ITEM TWO, REMOVAL OF THE NON-CONFORMING WINDOW, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE NON-CONFORMING WINDOW LOCATED ON THE FIRST FLOOR EAST ELEVATION AS SUBMITTED.
AND THE, UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS WITH US VIRTUALLY, AND WE ALSO HAVE A VOICEMAIL.
MR. CASTRO, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE.
YES, YOU MAY PROCEED WITH YOUR, UH, APPLICATION.
I'M THE HOMEOWNER OF 3 24 EAST MYRTLE STREET, SAN TNA, TEXAS.
I HAD PUT THE APPLICATION IN TO REPLACE 16 OUNCE WINDOWS, AND OF COURSE REMOVE THAT ONE, WHICH IS LIKE AN ALUMINUM RESTING WINDOW THAT WAS ADDED BY A PREVIOUS OWNER.
UM, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS APPROVAL TO REPLACE THEM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT REPAIRING THE WINDOWS IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT MY CONCERN IS, OF COURSE, THE
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TIMELINE.MY CONCERN IS STILL TIMELINE, EVEN FOR REPLACEMENT.
UM, SO THIS HOUSE IS BEING COMPLETELY REMODELED.
WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH AND GOTTEN THE, UH, C O A FOR THE ROOF.
THAT ONE'S MET SPECIFICATIONS AND BEEN DONE.
AND OF COURSE NOW WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE WINDOWS.
AND ONCE THIS IS COMPLETE, UM, HOPEFULLY, I MEAN, MY FAMILY'S BEEN, THAT'S MY WIFE'S CHILDHOOD HOME.
FOR STARTERS, WE'RE RENOVATING IT, HOPEFULLY TRYING TO MAKE IT AS MUCH AS LIKE AS POSSIBLE.
SHE DOESN'T WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SHE WANTS IT TO SAY STRUCTURALLY EXACTLY THE SAME.
UM, WITH, WITH WHATEVER FALLS INTO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, OF COURSE, THE WINDOW, THE WOOD WINDOWS KIND OF CAUGHT US OFF GUARD.
AND EVEN THE QUOTES WE HAVE FROM PAYA WHO WE'RE GOING WITH IS WELL ABOVE OUR BUDGET.
WE'RE GONNA BLOW TO FIT INTO THESE GUIDELINES TO HAVE DONE.
BUT, UM, UNTIL THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF ARE NOT EVEN LIVING IN THE HOME.
SO BACK IN FEBRUARY WHEN THE FREEZE HAPPENED, THAT COMPLETELY DESTROYED THE INCOMING LINE, THE WHOLE UPSTAIRS RESTROOM AND THEN, AND THE DOWNSTAIRS KITCHEN COMPLETELY BUSTED AND RUINED EVERYTHING IN THAT WHOLE FLOOR SECTION.
SO WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY LIVED IN THE PROPERTY SINCE THE FREEZE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLD HOME, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH NO INSTALLATION.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO TRY AND GET THIS DONE BEFORE THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE FREEZE FOR ONE.
AND, UM, YEAH, JUST HOPING TO GET THIS, UH, MOVING ALONG.
SO WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WINDOW? THAT IS THE, UH, PAYA ARCHITECT SERIES.
THAT ONE WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS, UH, NOTED WHEN, UH, I SPOKE WITH, WELL, WHEN I CONVERSED WITH KATIE VIA EMAIL, THAT WAS ONE THEY HAD SENT ME FITS INTO YOUR GUIDELINES.
AND WHEN I SPOKE TO PAYA, THAT'S ONE OF THE, IT'S WOOD, IT DOES HAVE AN ALUMINUM FRAME FOR THE GLASS, BUT IT'S ALL WOOD OUTSIDE AND INSIDE.
SO THE PICTURE THAT'S UP HERE NOW SHOWS AN ALUMINUM CLAD SASH AND FRAME.
THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, CORRECT? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD SHOWED ME AT BAY.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT MATCHES OUR GUIDELINE OR WHAT, WHAT WE ARE QUOTING FROM THEM.
THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD SHOWED ME AS THE ARCHITECT SERIES, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY TOLD ME ALL THE GLASSES.
WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE.
I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, 7 8 2 1 2.
I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ABOUT THE H D R C ITEM NUMBER 24 3 24 EAST MYRTLE STREET.
THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE HAS SPOKEN WITH THE OWNER.
WE ARE HAPPY THAT HE IS REVIVING ONE OF THE HISTORIC HOUSES IN TOBIN HILL.
HOWEVER, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH HIS PLAN TO REPLACE ALL OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS.
THIS CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE DESERVES A FIRST CLASS REHABILITATION.
WE HOPE THAT THE OWNER WILL INSTEAD REPAIR THE WINDOWS.
WE ASK THE COMMISSION TO DENY THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
SO JUST TO, TO KIND OF ADD A NOTE TO THAT, I'M NOT ASKING TO REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS, THOSE NORTH FACE WOOD WINDOWS, THOSE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH WEAR.
THOSE WOULD STAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOW SCHEDULE, I KIND TRYING TO ZOOM IN WHERE I'M AT, THAT SOUTHEAST AND WEST WOULD BE REPLACED, THAT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, ONE, TWO, AND THREE, UM, 15, THOSE WOULD STAY SECOND FLOOR, IT WOULD BE 15, 17, 18, THOSE WOULD STAY.
BUT EVERYTHING ON THE NORTH FACE THAT YOU WOULD SEE STREETSIDE WOULD STAY.
THOSE ARE NOT IN ANY OTHER CONDITION THAT THE, FOR INSTANCE, THE WEST SIDE IS DEALING WITH.
HOW HAS STAFF MADE A SITE VISIT TO LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS? UH, YES, I DID GO OUT THERE.
UM, AND MY OBSERVATION, UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE IN NOT GREAT CONDITION.
UM, SOME OF THEM DID EXHIBIT, UM, LIKE MAYBE A COUPLE OF RAILS THAT ARE SLIPPING, SO THE JOINTS HAVE FAILED.
UM, BUT I MEAN, THOSE PIECES CAN BE REPLACED IF NEEDED.
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STAFF CAN ALSO SUPPORT THE, UM, LIKE REPLACEMENT OF LIKE DAMAGED SASHES THAT MIGHT NOT BE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION WITH A REPLICATED LIKE HISTORICALLY, UM, LIKE TRADITIONALLY CRAFTED SASH ALSO.MY, MY ONLY, UM, REAL CONCERN WITH REPAIRING THE WINDOWS.
AND GUESS I UNDERSTAND THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE HAS ALL SORTS OF WORKSHOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT YOU CAN DO.
THOSE ARE NOT FEASIBLE AT THIS CURRENT POINT IN TIME, NOR ARE THEY GONNA BE ANYTIME SOON UNTIL THIS REMODEL AGAIN IS DONE.
WE'RE COUCH SURFING ON IN-LAWS HOUSE.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN SIT AND WAIT FOR A WORKSHOP OR, OR KIND OF HOPE I CAN DO IT ON MY SPARE TIME.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLETELY RENOVATE, GET UP AND RUNNING, GET BETTER THAN IT WAS BEFORE, AND PRETTY MUCH GO BACK HOME.
AND THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BY, BY ALL MEANS ON OUR END, SEEMED THE MOST FEASIBLE WITHIN A TWO MONTH TIMEFRAME.
HAVE YOU INVESTIGATED, UM, SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLACES HERE IN TOWN THAT MIGHT HAVE SUITABLE SASH THAT WOULD, UH, FIT IN THESE EXISTING FRAMES? NO, I HAVE NOT.
I HAVE, I REACHED OUT TO A FEW OF THE COMPANIES THAT DO WINDOW REPAIR AND I HAVE NOT HEARD A SINGLE THING BACK FROM ANYONE.
CAN YOU SEND US PICTURES? NOTHING.
AND THAT WAS SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THE LIST ON THAT.
KATIE SENT, UH, BRENT HOLE TOO.
UM, WHO WAS THE OTHER ONE? I SENT A FEW OF THEM AND NOT A SINGLE REPLY BACK.
SO I HAD LOOKED INTO SOMEBODY LIKE CONTRACTING THEM OUT TO REPAIR THE WINDOWS, BUT I HAVE NOT GONE INTO LOOKING TO A SALVAGE YARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO FIND WOOD REPLACING WINDOWS TO GET THOSE FIT IN BECAUSE THEN IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO THE SAME QUESTION, WHO'S GONNA PUT 'EM IN? I'M AT TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO PUT THE WOOD WINDOWS IN VERSUS HAVING A COMPANY THAT'S KIND OF PAY TO PUT THE WINDOWS IN THEMSELVES, WHICH IS PART OF THEIR QUOTE ALREADY.
UM, I JUST HAVE SOME OBSERVATIONS FROM THE PHOTOS.
IT IS TRICKY, UM, TRACKING ALL OF THIS AND, UM, WITHOUT A WINDOW SCHEDULE AND WITHOUT CLEAR VISION OF EACH UNIT.
THERE'S SCREENS, THERE ARE BARS, UM, DIFFERENT OBSTRUCTIONS, BUT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THE ISSUES ARE SASH RELATED AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SOME OF THE EASIER ONES TO REMEDY.
UM, SO I TEND TO AGREE WITH, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, UM, ONCE YOU CAN SECURE A CONTRACTOR, HANDY PERSON, WINDOW PERSON WHO CAN DO INSTALLATION, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY EVEN BETTER FOR YOUR BUDGET TO LOOK AT REPLACEMENT SASHES ONLY.
UM, AND I KNOW TIME, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, UM, BUT PERHAPS YOU PHASE IT BY FLOOR, FIRST FLOOR, YOU DO FIRST, SECOND FLOOR YOU DO A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
I'M, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF EAST, WEST AND SOUTH SIDE IS REALLY NECESSARY ON THIS HOUSE.
AND I DO AGREE WITH THE, THE COMMUNITY AND LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS AND THE SHAKE SHINGLE AND THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, THIS IS A WONDERFUL WONDERFULLY, UM, PRESERVED
AND THE WINDOWS MEAN SO MUCH TO THAT CHARACTER.
UM, SO I MEAN, WITH ANYTHING, RIGHT, UM, IT'S LEFT FOR INTERPRETATION OF STAFF AND, AND, AND THEN EVEN OUR INTERPRETATION, UM, WITH RESPECT TO WOOD WINDOWS.
THIS IS, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IS THERE SOME KIND OF, UH, IS THIS ALL EYEBALLED WHEN WE SAY PRETTY BAD CONDITION OR BAD CONDITION, OR IS THERE, UH, SOME KIND OF METRICS OR SCORING CRITERIA THAT ISN'T,
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IF THERE ISN'T, COULD BE DEVELOPED TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, A, B, C, UM, YOU KNOW, GRADE THESE GLASS, UH, WINDOWS, THE, THE, THE, THE WOOD FRAME WINDOWS? UM, GENERALLY, UM, AT LEAST WHEN I LOOK AT THEM AND I'VE RESTORED THESE ON MY OWN HOUSE, I TEACH THE CLASSES, UM, I'LL LOOK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE, IF I CAN TOUCH 'EM AND THEY'RE SOLID, LIKE THERE'S NO WOOD ROT THAT I CAN ACTUALLY FEEL WITHOUT PULLING OUT THE WHOLE SASH.UM, ALSO LOOKING AT THE JOINTS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UM, FAILING, UM, IF THERE IS WOOD ROT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THAT'S, I MEAN, QUITE HONESTLY, LIKE THAT'S PERSONALLY WHAT I'LL LOOK AT WHEN I MAKE A SITE VISIT.
AND, AND, AND THIS PERIOD TO MY QUESTION BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, INTERPRETATION COULD CHANGE FROM ONE, UM, STAFFER TO THE NEXT.
AND AGAIN, I'M JUST WAS MAYBE CURIOUS IF, IF, IF NOT MAYBE SOME, SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE FOR US TO CONSIDER AND TALK ABOUT.
I, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE, UH, DESIRE TO SORT OF LIKE RATIONALIZE THIS, RIGHT? AND, AND, UH, NOT HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT IS, IS, UH, SO SUBJECTIVE, BUT REALLY THE, THE KIND OF DETAIL THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD TAKE SOME TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY STAFF HAS, UH, SO MANY CASES THEY'VE GOTTA COVER.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALLY WE WILL GO OUT AND ACTUALLY DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND WE'LL TAKE A PROBE, LIKE AN ICE PICK OR A, AN AWE AND STICK IT INTO THE WOOD AND EVALUATE EACH OF THE COMPONENTS.
UM, AND IT'S ONE THING THAT I HEAR THIS APPLICANT SAYING HE DOES HAVE A LOT OF, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S, AND I DON'T MEAN TO FEEL UN, YOU KNOW, COME OFF UNSYMPATHETIC, BUT THAT'S KIND OF BEYOND OUR PURVIEW AND REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE IS FACING RIGHT NOW GIVING, UH, SHORTAGES IN, IN, UH, BOTH, UH, THE SUPPLY CHAIN AND IN ALSO MANPOWER.
AND SO IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE CALLED YOU BACK 'CAUSE THEY'RE PROBABLY INCREDIBLY SLAMMED WITH WORK RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I THINK YOU MAY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT PLAN B, UH, UH, OF HOW YOU WOULD ACCOMPLISH THIS.
I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE MAKING THE, UH, THE INVESTMENT TO, TO RESTORE YOUR WIFE'S FAMILY HOME HERE.
AND, UM, AND JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAYBE MAKE THAT EVALUATION YOURSELF.
IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, BUT TO GO THROUGH AND SAY, OKAY, THIS WINDOW, I WOULD GR GRADE AS AN A.
THAT MEANS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OTHER THAN THE, THE, THE PUTTY ITSELF IS, IS CRACKING, BUT, UM, BUT THE, UH, THE GLAZINGS THERE AND THE, THE MEETING RAILS INTACT AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU, AND JUST KIND OF DO A, A BETTER ASSESSMENT FOR YOURSELF, WHAT YOU'RE REALLY WORKING WITH HERE, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS, UH, MORE OF THE RESOURCE HERE THAT YOU CAN SALVAGE RATHER THAN JUST DO A, A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT.
I'D BE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, ALONGSIDE THAT.
SO LET'S SAY WE GO AHEAD AND WE EXPLORE OTHER AVENUES FOR IT, AND WE TURN OUT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S NO, LIKE YOU SAID, A METRIC.
AND I GO BACK AND I SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE EIGHT OF THESE.
WILL I THEN HAVE TO WAIT FOR A DIFFERENT BOARD SCHEDULED DATE TO HAVE THOSE REPLACED? AND WHAT TIMELINE WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WELL, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS THAT IF WE, UH, MOVE TO, UM, SAY TO REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS, AND IF ANY OF THEM ARE FOUND TO BE BEYOND REPAIR, THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD COME BACK TO STAFF AND THEY WOULD CONCUR.
AND IF THEY CONCURRED, THEN UM, A REPLACEMENT WOULD BE AUTHORIZED BY STAFF.
IS THAT CORRECT, COREY? SO IF THERE WAS A MOTION, SO THAT WOULD DIRECT STAFF TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
WHAT I AM CONCERNED WITH IS THERE CONTINUING TO BE DISAGREEMENT AT THE STAFF LEVEL WITH WHAT IS REPAIRABLE.
AND SO ULTIMATELY I THINK A DECISION WILL HAVE TO BE MADE HERE.
HAVING SAID THAT, LIKE WE WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER, UM, ANY PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, FROM A CONTRACTOR THAT IS EXPERIENCED.
AND I MEAN, THE POINT IS NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE LIKE WE ARE OPEN TO A PROPOSAL.
UM, BUT OUR INITIAL ASSESSMENT AND, AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO IT, UM, WE DO THINK THAT FULL REPLACEMENT IS NOT THE, THE MOST APPROPRIATE SOLUTION HERE.
IF NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, DO I HAVE A MOTION?
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I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT ITEM TWO, THE REMOVAL OF THE NONCONFORMING WINDOW.IS THAT A HISTORIC WINDOW OPENING? UM, OR WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS CUT IN LATER AND A NON-CONFORMING WINDOW WAS PUT INTO? FROM MY OBSERVATION, IT DID NOT SEEM LIKE IT WAS AN ORIGINAL OPENING.
YOU CAN EVEN SEE IN THIS PHOTO, IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SILL HEIGHT.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE SMALLER WINDOWS TOWARDS THE BACK ON THAT FACADE.
UM, SO JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THE POSITIONING AND SIGHT DIFFERENCES AND THE, THE TRIM, IT SEEMED PLAUSIBLE.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR, UH, LET'S SEE.
YEAH, I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS TO REPAIR RATHER THAN REPLACE.
AND ITEM NUMBER TWO, WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THE NON-CONFORMING WINDOW.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
OH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I CAN.
UH, MR. GIBBS? YES, THANK YOU.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
VELAZQUEZ VELAZQUEZ HAS LEFT THE MEETING.
AND, AND AS WE DISCUSSED, UM, AS YOU WORK WITH A CONTRACTOR TO DEVELOP THE SCOPE, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO STAFF WITH MORE INFORMATION FOR US TO CONSIDER.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 63 1 1 5 EAST AGITA.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING BLACK ASPHALT SHINGLES ON THE MAIN HOUSE WITH A BLACK STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND A PANEL SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION.
RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH.
UH, WELL ACTUALLY THAT WAS CRIMP RIDGE SEAM.
UM, AND A, UH, STANDARD, UH, GLOOM FINISH.
AND THE APPLICANT, UM, I BELIEVE IS WITH US VIRTUALLY NAME.
AND MY HUSBAND AND I OWN ONE 15 EAST AGARITA.
AND THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS DESCRIBED WAS TO CHANGE THE ROOF MATERIAL FROM A SHINGLE ROOF TO A METAL STANDING SEAM ROOF.
UM, ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH, THE ONLY REASON THAT WE'D LIKE TO BE HERE TO VISIT IS TO REQUEST, UM, A REVIEW OF THE PROPOSAL FOR A DARKED CAR COLD GRAY.
THE BRAND NAMED COLOR IS THE BLACK MAT.
UM, FINISH COLOR TO MIRROR THE AESTHETIC OF THE PREVIOUS, UM, ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF THAT WAS IN PLACE.
THE UM, REASON THAT WE WERE SPEAKING THE MATERIAL CHANGE IS OUR LOT IS AN UNUSUAL AND UNIQUE PROPERTY WITHIN MONTE VISTA.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT TREE COVER AND WHAT WE HAVE OBSERVED, UM, AS WE'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE HOME THAT WE PURCHASED IN 2019, IS THAT IN THE VALLEYS OF THE ROOF LINE, THE LEAF, AS THE LEAVES WOULD FALL OFF THE TREES, THEY WOULD GET TRAPPED WITH MOISTURE AND THE VALLEYS AND THEY WOULD, UM, STICK AND START.
AS THEY STARTED TO DECOMPOSE, THEY WEAKENED THE DECKING UNDERNEATH.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE OBSERVED, UH, LEAKS INSIDE OF THE RESIDENCE.
AND EVEN WITH GOING UP AND TRYING TO ROUTINELY GET UP ON THE ROOF AND BLOW UP THE, THE LEAKS WITH A, UM, LEAK BLOWER, IT JUST DID NOT SEEM PRACTICAL TO GET UP THERE ON THE ROUTINE BASIS.
SO, UM, WE DID GO BACK AFTER, UM, SUBMITTING THE C F A AND DID NOTICE THAT, UM, ON A SAR OR MAP THAT THE ORIGINAL METAL
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ROOF OR THE ORIGINAL ROOF MATERIAL BACK, I BELIEVE AROUND THE 1930S WAS A SLIGHT MATERIAL.SO STILL VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF A DARK MATERIAL, UM, FOR THAT ROOFING, UM, MATERIAL TO BE IN PLACE.
SO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS JUST I'D LIKE TO NOTATE IS THAT THE HOUSE IS RECESSED AGAINST THE REAR ALLEY LINE AND IS NOT, UM, VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
WITH THE EXCEPTION IF YOU STAND AT A CERTAIN SPOT IN THE SIDEWALK AT THE FOOT OF THE DRIVEWAY, YOU CAN SEE APPROXIMATELY TWO TO THREE FEET OF THE, UH, FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME ON THE FRONT PORCH, BUT THE ROOF ITSELF IS OBSTRUCTED BY THE TREE CANOPY.
SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT, UH, WE APPLIED FOR A C F A ORIGINALLY IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, AND DID RECEIVE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, UM, IT MEETS ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS IN TERMS OF STANDING SEEN DOUBLE MONTHS, YOU KNOW, SMOOTH PANELS, BUT IN ADDITION THAT IT'S EITHER A GAL LOOM, UH, FINISH OR A COLOR THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING ROOF.
SO WHEN WE RECEIVED, UM, THE, UM, DESKTOP APPROVAL, WE WENT AHEAD AND MS. ADAM, UM, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
DO YOU MIND PAUSING FOR ONE MOMENT? WE HAD A COUPLE COMMISSIONERS STEP OUT UNEXPECTEDLY, SO WE ACTUALLY LOST QUORUM.
SO WE NEED TO PAUSE THE DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
IS THERE A POINT THAT I SHOULD GO BACK AND, UH, REFRESH THE PREVIOUS CONTENT? UM, NO MA'AM.
MAYBE JUST YOUR, YOUR FIRST BULLET POINT, UH, IN FRONT OF WHERE YOU ARE NOW.
SO, UM, AS I WAS DETAILING JUST PRIOR TO, UM, THE BRIEF PAUSE, THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY RECESSED ON THE REAR ALLEY LINE, UM, FOR AGARITA.
AND IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, WITH THE EXCEPTION IS WHAT IS BEING DISPLAYED ON THE MONITOR.
THERE'S A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE FRONT POST, NOT OF THE HOME, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SIDEWALK.
THAT IS ACTUALLY IF YOU'RE STANDING UP AT THE FOOT OF THE DRIVEWAY, BUT FROM THE SIDEWALK THAT WE WERE SEEING BEFORE, IT IS, UM, VERY DIFFICULT TO STAND.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE'S A HOME BACK THERE, BUT THE ROOF ITSELF IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE SIDEWALK.
AND EVEN AS, UH, IF YOU SCROLL TO THE NEXT PICTURE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE EVEN IF YOU APPROACH THE FOOT OF THE DRIVEWAY CLOSEST TO THE HOUSE.
SO, UH, THAT'S IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
WE DID APPLY FOR, UH, C F A FOR THIS SAME CHANGE.
UM, AND WE DID RECEIVE APPROVAL, UM, FOR, WITH A STIPULATION THAT IT MEETS ALL THE SPECIFICATIONS WITH THE BEING SMOOTH PANELS, UM, THE DOUBLE MARKED CREME, UM, BUT FOR THE COLOR FOR IT BEING A GAL LOOM FINISH OR A COLOR THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING ROOF.
SO BASED OFF OF THAT APPROVAL, WE WENT AHEAD AND SCHEDULED, UH, TO BE ON OUR CONTRACTOR'S, UH, PROJECT TIMELINE AND ALSO PURCHASED MATERIALS WHEN, UH, WE NOTIFIED, UM, THE OFFICE HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT WE WERE READY TO START THE WORK.
THEY CAME OUT, THEY DID THE MATERIAL REVIEW AND NOTICED THAT, UM, THEY HAD SOME, THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS THAT THE MATERIAL DIDN'T MEET THE C F A, UM, AND DID RECOGNIZE THAT THE VERBIAGE COULD HAVE BEEN INTERPRETED IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND HAD REQUESTED FOR US TO SUBMIT A NEW C F A TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION, UH, WHICH WE DID.
AND, UM, TO BE ABLE TO GET REVIEW AND, UH, APPROVAL, UH, TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THE ROOF, UH, MATERIAL CHANGE.
I DO WANNA EXPRESS MY, OUR APPRECIATION TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE STAFF FOR BEING, UM, VERY COGNIZANT OF THE STRESS OF THE CHANGE IN THE PROJECT, UH, DIRECTION AND ALSO FOR THEIR COLLABORATION AND SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO GET US ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY.
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THANK YOU.DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? I KNOW WE HAVE A LETTER.
THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, IS THAT THE, UH, MATERIAL THAT Y'ALL PURCHASED FOR THE ROOF? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THOSE ARE THE SAMPLES THAT, UM, WERE PROVIDED FOR INSPECTION.
MAKE SOME OBSERVATIONS ON THIS? YES.
UM, UM, MS. ADOM DOMINI, UM, I CAN COMPLETELY SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR ROOF IS SITUATION, UH, JUST YESTERDAY AND TODAY I PUT A NEW ROOF ON MY HOUSE AS WELL.
SO I'VE GOT AN EYE TO WHAT SOME OF YOUR LEAKING CONCERNS MIGHT BE.
I THINK REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S A METAL, A GOOD QUALITY SHINGLE OR EVEN A SLATE ROOF, YOUR UM, ROTTED WOOD SITUATION CAN CERTAINLY BE REMEDIED WITH PROPER UNDERLAYMENT AND FLASHING ON YOUR NEXT INSTALLATION.
I THINK THE MATERIAL, FINAL MATERIAL IS LESS IMPORTANT ON THAT PROBLEM.
UM, I, I TAKE CUES FROM THE GUIDELINES AND UNDERSTAND THE COLOR OF THE MATERIAL FOR ROOFING IS INEXTRICABLY TIED TO THE MATERIAL AND THIS IS WHY THOSE COLORS ARE DESIGNATED FOR CERTAIN MATERIALS.
METAL WILL ALWAYS BE A LIGHTER COLOR IN ITS NATURAL FORM THAT WOULD BE USED FOR ROOFING.
UM, BUT STILL ON THE LIGHTER SIDE YOUR WOOD TENDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT DARKER.
SLATE IS THE DARKEST, SO THAT COLOR IS TIED TO THE MATERIAL.
UM, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, IF IT'S THE BLACK THAT YOU WOULD WANT, I WOULD SUGGEST STAYING WITH THE, THE SHINGLE, UM, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF A BLACK METAL ROOF FOR THAT REASON.
UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, UM, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR NEEDS, THE, UH, SOLAR INCIDENT AS WELL AS THE, THE TREE COVERAGE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BEST MATERIAL FOR THAT ROOFING ROOF COVERING SHOULD BE.
SO TO CLARIFY, UM, YOU HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED THE MATERIAL FOR THE ENTIRE ROOF BASED ON THE, THE C O A AND YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WAS STATED THERE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE ACTUALLY HAD THE, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.
SO A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO ALL OF THE ROOFING MATERIAL IS ALREADY PRE-FINISHED IN THE DARK COLOR IN THE BLACK COLOR MM-HMM.
YEAH, I, I, I'M TRYING TO RECALL THE CASE AND I THOUGHT WHAT THE COMPROMISE WE'D COME TO WAS MAYBE DOING SOME KIND OF, UM, PRE WEATHERED GAL LOOM.
UM, BUT I MAY, I MAY BE CONFUSING IT WITH ANOTHER CASE THAT WAS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, YEAH, I I I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VENOS SAID THAT IT WAS A, IT'S TIED TO THE MATERIAL, NOT TO THE FACT THAT IT WAS A DARK ROOF PREVIOUSLY.
AND SO THE PREDOMINANT, UH, COLOR OF METAL ROOF IN THIS AREA, EVEN THOUGH WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE PEOPLE SHOW UP WITH EXCEPTIONS, IT TENDS TO BE THAT SORT OF SILVERY GRAY OF A GALVANIZED MATERIAL AND IT'S REALLY, UH, GIVEN OUR CLIMATE MUCH MORE CONDUCIVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REFLECTING HEAT RATHER THAN ABSORBING IT.
AND I JUST, I REALLY WISH THE TREND OF PEOPLE WANTING TO
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY IN WHICH THIS MATERIAL COULD BE TRADED OUT THAT YOU COULD DO SOME, EVEN IF THERE'S A SLIGHT LOSS OF RESTOCKING FEES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU COULD GET SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR HOUSE AND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WE'VE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT GETTING THAT CONFIRMATION.
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WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT STAFF, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THE MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE C O A? UM, YES,SO THE WAY, AND I THINK I MAY HAVE IT IN HERE.
UM, SO AT THE UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WHERE IT SAYS ITEM FOUR, THE ROOF COLOR WILL FEATURE A STANDARD GAL BLOOM, FINISH OR MATCH THE EXISTING HISTORIC ROOF.
GENERALLY WHEN WE SAY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IF IT'S AN EXISTING METAL ROOF, UM, AND YEAH.
UM, VERSUS BEING AN EXISTING DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
UM, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T MAKE THAT CLEAR IN THE C O A MR. CHAIR IF I MAY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE IT GETS TOUGH FOR ME.
AGAIN, BACK TO AN INTERPRETATION, SO TO SPEAK.
YES, COMMISSIONER
SO I, MY POSITION IS THE SAME.
KATIE, CAN YOU ALSO TELL US WHETHER THE, UM, SITE INSPECTION WAS INCLUDED AS A CONDITION TO THIS APPROVAL FOR THE, LIKE DOING THE INSPECTION FOR THE METAL ROOF? MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE THIS CAME UP.
UM, WHEN I WAS DOING THE MATERIAL INSPECTION, UM, THE APPLICANT AS, UH, MS. ADAME NOTED THAT THEY HAD THE PANELS ON SITE AND I NOTED, I NOTICED THERE WERE BLACK IN COLOR AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THAT CONVERSATION OCCURRED.
UM, I SHARED THAT IT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH OUR STANDARD STIPULATIONS.
I'D FIND THESE CASES REALLY, REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT.
UM, MUCH LIKE OUR CASE ON THE, UM, THE SHOTGUN, UH, PROPERTY EARLIER THIS EVENING, UM, WHERE YOU REALLY FEEL FOR THE, THE APPLICANT AND THE ECONOMIC DISTRESS, UH, DESPITE, YOU KNOW, THE ATTEMPT TO TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING, I I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO FIND A BUYER FOR THIS METAL ROOF MATERIAL.
UM, AND SEE IF YOU COULD, UH, LOCATE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE A PRE WEATHERED GAL LOOM OR SOME OTHER MATERIAL THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A DARKER S SLATEY, UH, COLOR OF METAL, BUT NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO BLACK.
A PRE-FINISHED BLACK METAL ROOF IS JUST GOING TO LOOK ATROCIOUS ON THAT HOUSE.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, FROM AN, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BIG HEAT SINK.
UM, SO I, FOR ALL THE SYMPATHY THAT I HAVE FOR THIS APPLICANT, I'M GOING TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL BASED UPON, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS AND HAVE THIS METAL ROOF, SEE IF THEY CAN FIND REPLACEMENT MATERIAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT WE HAVE A SECOND.
YES, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, I FEEL LIKE YOUR INTENT WAS VERY CLEAR, BUT BECAUSE THE REQUEST IS NOT FOR THE REROOF, IT'S FOR THE SPECIFIC OF THE, THE SPECIFIC COLOR.
I, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A MOTION FOR DENIAL.
UM, I, I MOVE FOR DENIAL THEN.
I WILL SECOND THAT YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, GIBBS.
OLA NAY, MASUKA AYE CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT.
UM, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU ON NEXT STEPS.
YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THIS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
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OKAY, JUST A REMINDER, THAT CASE 26 HAS BEEN POSTPONED, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO 27.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27 H D R C CASE 2021 DASH 5 81 8 2 7 SOUTH LAREDO STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE REFACE, AN EXISTING ROOFTOP SIGN.
TWO, PAINT A MURAL ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT READS, I LOVE DOGS SO MUCH.
AND NUMBER THREE, PAINT A SIGN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT READS THE BULLY STOP.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PAINTED SIGN ON THE SOUTH FACADE BE REDUCED TO 50 SQUARE FEET OR LESS TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE U D C OR BE LIMITED TO AN ARTWORK MURAL THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A SIGNAGE COMPONENT.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, UM, IS WITH US VIRTUALLY.
HELLO, I'M ERIC WITH 8 2 7 SOUTH LAREDO STREET.
UM, WHY DON'T YOU PLEASE GO AHEAD AND PRESENT YOUR CASE.
SO, UM, I'M CURRENTLY RENTING 8 2 7 SOUTH LAREDO STREET AND WE ARE, UM, HOPING TO BE OPEN IN THE NEXT FOUR TO SIX WEEKS.
UM, WE GOT THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT KNOWING, UH, ANY OF THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS BECAUSE, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, OUR PROPERTY OWNER IS UNAWARE OF IT BEING IN A, UH, IN THE RIO OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, SO WE DID SUBMIT SOME MURAL MOCKUPS FOR AS, UH, WHAT WE WERE WANTING TO HAVE DONE.
UM, THE MURAL ON THE FRONT THAT STATES I LOVE DOGS SO MUCH, UM, THE DOGS ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE JUST A SILHOUETTE, SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GONNA BE COLORED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THE SIGN ON TOP IS ACTUALLY ALREADY PRE-EXISTING, I BELIEVE FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNERS.
UM, I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH MY MURAL ARTISTS.
WE DO HAVE SOMEONE ALREADY, UM, WHO WE HAVE TALKED TO AND WHO HAS GIVEN US A QUOTE FOR, FOR THESE MURALS TO BE PAINTED.
UM, AND WITH AS FAR AS ALONGSIDE OF, UM, THAT, THAT THAT WALL, WHEREVER WE WANT TO DO THE BIG, UH, NAME THE BULLY STOP, UH, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE A SKYLINE OF SAN ANTONIO AS WELL OFF TO THE RIGHT SIDE.
UM, WE ARE OPEN TO CONSIDERATION FOR REDUCING THAT TO, UH, A FIVE BY 10 FOR THE BULLY STOP.
UM, I DO REALLY LIKE, WE DO REALLY LIKE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN INCLUDE SOMETHING WITH SAN ANTONIO OFF ONTO THE SIDE OF IT, SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN COME AND TAKE PICTURES OF AND REALLY PROMOTE THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DRAWN UP AND WE ARE JUST HOPING TO, UM, GET THIS PROCESS MOVING ALONG.
SO MR. SALAS, YOU ARE, UH, WILLING TO, ON THE, THIS PARTICULAR SIGN REDUCE THE SIZE TO 50 SQUARE FEET? YES SIR.
FOR THE, FOR THE STATE WHERE IT STATES THE BULLY STOP.
AND THEN YOU'RE REQUESTING THE ADDITIONAL MURAL IN ADDITION TO THE SIGN FOR THAT FACADE.
SHOWING THE SKYLINE IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO KEEP THAT SKYLINE STILL IN THAT SIZE JUST TO KIND OF GIVE IT MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, REAL REALISTIC EFFECT.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A VERY EFFECTIVE SOLUTION JUST TO FOCUS ON THE GRAPHICS AS YOUR MURAL, MR. SOLAS.
UM, LET THE, LET THE, UH, FUN GRAPHICS DOMINATE AND JUST, UH, DO YOUR BULLY STOP SOMEWHERE IN A VERY PROMINENT LOCATION, BUT SMALLER.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT OR APPROVE, UM, THE, UM, THE APPLICATION WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
VELASQUE ABSENT? AYE MA AYE CARPENTER.
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AND UNE AYE.THANK YOU MR. SALAS STAFF, WE'LL GET WITH YOU ON, UH, YOUR C O A.
UM, THIS BRINGS US TO OUR LAST ITEM, 8 26 DAWSON.
WE DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT IN THE QUEUE FOR THIS CASE.
DO YOU WANT KATIE TO PROCEED? UH, WELL, I MEAN, SHE WILL NEED TO READ THE CASE IN THE RECORD SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION TO CONTINUE IF THAT'S THE DESIRE, BUT OKAY.
YES, IF YOU WOULD READ IT INTO THE RECORD.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 28 H D R C CASE 2021 DASH 5 7 7 8 26 DAWSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH SUPPORTS AND DESIGN AS INSTALLED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BE RETURNED TO PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CONDITIONS TO FEATURE A SQUARE COLUMN WITH TOP AND BOTTOM TRIM OR A DORIC COLUMN BE INSTALLED TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING DORIC HALF COLUMNS ON THE FACADE OF THE FRONT PORCH.
AND I DO WANNA KIND OF PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THIS CASE.
UM, IF I MAY, IT, IT IS TECHNICALLY A VIOLATION CASE.
THE, UM, CURRENT OWNERS, UM, SHARED WITH STAFF THAT THEY, THEY PREVIOUSLY THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY ALLEGEDLY IN THIS CONDITION AND, UM, IT WAS BROUGHT TO STAFF'S ATTENTION, UM, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AS A POTENTIAL VIOLATION, WHICH, UM, IN TURN WE MADE A SITE VISIT AND, UM, REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND SO THEIR THEIR REQUEST IS TO BASICALLY KEEP THE, THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
SO WE CAN EITHER TAKE ACTION OR WE CAN, UH, MOVE TO, UH, POSTPONE TO THE NEXT MEETING AND HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT WILL BE THERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE IT AND GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO ATTEND A HEARING.
WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN? YES.
SO THE NEXT TIME WE GET TOGETHER VIRTUALLY IS WE'RE IN PERSON.
WHAT'S THE NEXT THING? THERE'S A U G C THURSDAY.
SO WE HAVE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON DECEMBER 1ST, AND THEN ON DECEMBER 8TH WILL BE AN IN-PERSON TRAINING IN THE AFTERNOON.
DO WE THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE? WE, THE U D C UPDATE NEXT WEEK.
TASK FORCE WILL ATTEND VIRTUALLY TOMORROW.
THAT SHOULD BE ON YOUR CALENDAR.