* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WE'RE STREAMING. [00:00:02] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 1ST, 2021. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. THIS IS ABSENT. SINA? HERE. VELAZQUEZ? HERE. OLA. HERE. MAZUA. HERE. CARPENTER'S. ABSENT GROUP HERE. UH, ANTE HERE. ZER HERE. AND LA PHONE. I BELIEVE HE'S ABSENT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UM, WE'LL HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FROM INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS TO INFORM YOU THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE. IF THERE'S ANYONE NEEDING THESE SERVICES, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GO TO THE INTERPRETATION BOOTH. BOOTH RIGHT NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN STATEMENT. YES. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING LIVE STREAMED. THE MEETING IS ALSO BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL PROVIDE SERVICES AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE PROVIDING COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR ALL THEIR COMMENTS IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. MASKS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN PERSON. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A MASK BUT WOULD LIKE ONE, THEY'RE AVAILABLE HERE FOR YOU AT NO COST. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY, WE ASK THAT THOSE THAT ARE PRESENT SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. ACTUALLY, MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE LIVE TODAY. APPROVAL FOR THE COMMISSION. DOES APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. YES. UM, THANK YOU. UH, FIRST A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS. WE DO HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER PRESENT TODAY, JIMMY CERVANTES, REPRESENTING COUNCIL DISTRICT DATE. UM, WELCOME. UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU. UM, WE ALSO, JUST A REMINDER, HAVE OUR UPCOMING ANNUAL TRAINING SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 8TH. YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE THE DETAILS FOR THAT. IT'LL BE IN THIS BUILDING UPSTAIRS IN THE TRAINING ROOM. UM, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO EVERYBODY'S PARTICIPATION AT THAT TRAINING. UM, WE DO HAVE, BEFORE WE GET TO MINUTES, UM, JUST A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS ON, UH, THE AGENDA ITSELF. YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, ITEMS 14, 15, 18, AND 21 HAVE BEEN POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S EVERYTHING. [Approval of Minutes] SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 17TH. AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ HAS A REQUEST. UM, MR. CHAIR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I I WANT TO BRING, UM, SOMETHING THAT I CONSIDER REALLY VERY IMPORTANT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMISSION. I, I SENT COMMENTS, OR ACTUALLY IN THE MOTION THAT I MADE AT THE LAST MEETING, I ASKED FOR PARTICULAR COMMENTS TO BE ADDED TO THE, TO THE, UM, MINUTES RECORDED IN THE MINUTES THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, AND THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE. AND, UM, I SUBMITTED PARAPHRASE, UH, VERY SHORT PARAPHRASE TO BE INCLUDED. THEY'D BEEN INCLUDED. [00:05:01] UM, SAME THING HAPPENED AND I SENT LANGUAGE, UH, TO, UM, THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION, AND THEY DECLINED TO HONOR THAT REQUEST. SPECIFICALLY, I HAVE A, AN EMAIL HERE THAT SAYS IT'S FROM O H P. WE DON'T USUALLY ADD INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER ARGUMENTS OR SPEAKING POINTS, WHICH SEEMS TO ME TO BE VERY CONTRARY TO THE VERY MEANING OF WHAT MINUTES ARE, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO YOUR OPENING, UM, UH, STATEMENT THAT, UH, IT IS OUR DUTY TO INFORM COUNSEL. RIGHT? AND I THINK IT'S PARTICULAR, PARTICULARLY RELEVANT TO THE CASE THAT I ASKED FOR THE MINUTES, UH, TO REFLECT THAT DESIGNATION CASE OF THE SHOTGUN HOUSE ON BURBANK STREET. ADDITIONALLY, I WAS INFORMED, IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY THAT YOUR SPEAKING POINTS SHOULD BE INCLUDED, THIS IS DISTURBING, THEN IT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE TO REQUEST ON THE RECORD THAT THOSE BE ADDED WHEN THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES OCCURS. THE PURPOSE OF ADOPTING MINUTES IS, IS TO, UM, UH, REFLECT ON, TO REVIEW, UM, THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, PERTINENT TO THE DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED. MY, MY DIRECTION OPPOSITION IS THAT THE, THE TWO MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE, ONE TO DENY AND ONE TO APPROVE, THE MOTION TO APPROVE IS SUPPORTED BY FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THE MOTION TO DENY HAS NO DATA ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THIS IS A SITUATION THAT GOES BEFORE H D R C, AND THEN IT GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, IN WHICH CASE, RELEVANT TO THE MOTION TO DENY. THERE IS NO INFORMATION TO INFORM COUNCIL ON THE WRITTEN MINUTES. AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE COMMENTS THAT I MADE WERE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THIS, THIS CONSTANT CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE ENABLED TO, TO DISCUSS ITEMS WITH RESPECT TO AN EQUITY LENS. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A COMMUNITY IN THE CITY THAT IS A, UM, UM, A, A PART OF A COMMUNITY IN A COMMUNITY WITH A COMMUNITY DISTRESSED INDEX THAT IS THE HIGHEST DISTRESSED INDEX IN THE NATION, SAID 89%. AND POVERTY IS A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING. AND, AND THIS, THIS ATTITUDE THAT THE CITY IS, IS HAVING TOWARD HAVING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND CITY STAFF TO VIEW THINGS THROUGH AN EQUITY LENS WHEN THEY'RE PARTICULARLY LOOKING AT ISSUES OF POVERTY. THAT, THAT AN EXCLUSION OF THESE COMMENTS IS A, IS A SLAP IN THE FACE, AND IT STRIKES AT THE VERY INTEGRITY OF A CITY THAT, THAT REALLY IS DOMINATED IS WHO'S HAVING A CON CONVERSATION IS DOMINATED BY EQUITY ON THE DI AT COUNCIL. THE COMMENTS THAT I ASKED TO HAVE, UH, UM, UM, INCLUDED, I HAVE TO READ FROM MY PHONE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EVEN, THEY DIDN'T EVEN PRESENT YOU WITH EVEN THE, THE, THE, THE THING THAT THEY HAD IN WRITING, WHICH WERE A COMMISSION. THEY SHOULD BE, UH, UH, ENABLING IN THE SPIRIT OF SAVING TIME. I SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE IF THE, IF THE, IF THE COMMENTS WERE IN THE MINUTES, WE WOULD BE DOING THE SAME THING, BUT THE COMMENTS ARE NOT IN THE MINUTES, AND I FEEL THAT THE COMMENTS ARE NOT IN THE MINUTES BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A DIRECT EFFORT TO BRING THE TENSION TO THIS ASPECT OF THE MINUTES SO THAT IT WOULD DO. WHAT I THINK IT DOES IS IT PREJUDICES THE, THE NEUTRALITY OF ALL INFORMATION THAT IS, THAT IS REALLY GENERIC IN, IN MINUTES. IT'S JUST A REFLECTION OF WHAT OCCURRED. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A DISCUSSION, BUT HERE WE ARE. SO THE NOTE IS THAT THAT IS BEING ASKED TO BE, UH, NOT OMITTED, BUT INCLUDED, UH, IN THE MINUTES IS RELEVANT TO THE REASON WHY I MADE A MOTION TO DENY, AND IT IS IN DISCUSSION AS ASSOCIATED WITH HIS MOTION TO DENY A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. COMMISSIONER GABRIEL VELASQUEZ COMMENTED THAT CASES SUCH AS 1 1 7 BURBANK PRESCRIBE CONSIDERATION THROUGH AN EQUITY LENS, NOTING THAT CASE LANGUAGE DEFINING PROPERTY IS INACCURATE, SPECIFICALLY CHALLENGING THE LOOSE USE OF THE TERM WORKFORCE HOUSING TO CONNOTE CULTURAL HERITAGE FINDING. F ITEM ONE, WHICH VELAZQUEZ ASSERTS CONFLATES HISTORIC OUTCOMES OF RACIST SEGREGATION, AEROS SAN ANTONIO POLICIES WITH THE CULTURAL CHARACTER OF THE MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. ADDITIONALLY, NOTING THAT A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE PROMOTES A HINDRANCE TO THE UPWARD ECONOMIC MOBILITY OF THE ROCHA FAMILY WHO OPPOSE THE DESIGNATION OF 1 1 7 BURBANK, A PROPERTY LOCATED WHERE NO HISTORIC DISTRICT EXISTS, AND WHERE THE OWNER PRESENTS [00:10:01] SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. VELOSO ALSO EXPRESSED AN EXPECTATION THAT THE H D R C BE EMPOWERED TO EXAMINE RELEVANT O H P POLICIES OUTPACED BY U D C TIMELINES. END OF END OF, UH, PARAPHRASE COMMENTS THAT WERE EVEN SUPPORTED BY COMMISSIONER UH, CARPENTER WHEN HE SAID THAT, THAT THIS WAS VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION THAT WE WERE HAVING, AND IT'S MEANT TO BE ON THE RECORD. NOW, I I I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN, IN, IN THIS GENERIC AND NEUTRAL PARAPHRASE, BEING PULLED OUT AND, AND DIRECT ATTENTION, UH, BROUGHT TO IT WHEN THIS PARAPHRASE, THIS MOTION, WHAT REALLY MEANT TO INFORM THE COUNCIL SO THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN MAKE A QUALIFIED AND INFORMED DECISION WITH RESPECT TO A DECISION THAT WILL AFFECT SOMEONE'S REAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, AND I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS, THERE, THERE, THERE IS A, A, A HISTORY OF RACISM, RACISM IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THE POLICIES THAT PROMOTED IT ARE CHALLENGED AND A DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CHOOSES TO IGNORE THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE, UH, ATTRIBUTES, THEY IN FACT INHIBIT THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY AND THE, AND, AND THE FURTHERING OF AN EQUITABLE SOCIETY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OUR BOUNDARIES. AND IT IS MY OPINION, AND I THINK THAT I HAVE A QUALIFIED OPINION TO SAY THAT IF SOMEONE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT SUPPORTING RACIST POLICY IS, THAT IS RACISM. RACISM IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT JUST HAPPENS ON ITS OWN. IT REQUIRES THAT THERE ARE EXCLUSIONS. IT REQUIRES THAT THERE ARE OMISSIONS. AND I'M NOT SITTING HERE TELLING YOU THIS AS A MEXICAN AMERICAN FEELING LIKE A VICTIM BECAUSE I DON'T ADHERE TO THE POLICIES THAT WILL PROMOTE THE MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY AS A COMMUNITY WHOSE CULTURAL HERITAGE IS THAT OF POVERTY. WE ARE PEOPLE WHOSE HERITAGE IS EMBEDDED IN PYRAMIDS, NOT POVERTY. AND THE RACIST CULTURAL HERITAGE OF A RACIST SOCIETY SHOULD NOT BE CONFLATED WITH THE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF THE MEXICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE OR ANY PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN WHAT NOW IS DECADES UPON DECADES UPON DECADES OF POLICIES THAT HAVE KEPT MINORITY PEOPLES POOR FROM REDLINING TO TO, UM, UH, I SUGGEST THAT THIS COMMISSION BE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE ADRENALINE REPORT THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS PROMOTED THROUGHOUT ITS ITS DEPARTMENTS THROUGH DEEDED RESTRICTIONS. THEY ARE REAL AND THEY EXIST. AND, UM, THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION REALLY NEEDS TO, REALLY NEEDS TO BE QUESTIONED WITH RESPECT TO ITS, ITS CAPABILITY AND ITS, ITS QUALIFICATION AND EVEN ITS INTEREST IN UNDERSTANDING HOW IT AFFECTS PEOPLE OF POVERTY. AND I'LL, I'LL JUST REMIND, REMIND THIS COMMISSION OF, OF ONE THING THAT I BROUGHT WITH ME THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE REMINDED THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, PASTOR RAIL SOLUTION DECLARING RACISM A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS TO ESTABLISH STRONGER EFFORTS TO PROMOTE RACIAL EQUITY IN SAN ANTONIO. SEE, THE PERCENTAGE OF SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS LIVING IN POVERTY THAT ARE BLACK IS 22.5% THAT ARE LATIN IS 21.3% THAT ARE WHITE IS 11%. IF YOU TAKE THE BLACK AND LATIN COMMUNITY LIVING IN POVERTY, THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST 50%. ONE OF THE RAZ IS IN HERE. IT SAYS, WHEREAS THE FIGHT AGAINST RACISM AND ITS ADVERSE IMPACTS ON OUR COMMUNITY HAS LONG BEEN CHAMPIONED BY BLACK AFRICAN-AMERICANS, LATINX AND OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR AND OTHER ALLIES FIGHTING FOR RACIAL JUSTICE THROUGH HISTORIC AND PRESENT DAY PROTESTS, ACTIONS AND PETITIONS. UH, IF THE, IF THE COMMISSION DOESN'T KNOW, I'M, I'M ONE OF SUCH INDIVIDUALS, I LED THE CESAR CHAVEZ MARCH FOR 20 YEARS THAT THIS COUNCIL DECLARES RACISM IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE EFFECTS OF SYSTEMIC AND STRUCTURAL RACISM ARE PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS IN SAN ANTONIO. THEY COMMIT TO ADVOCATING FOR RACIAL JUSTICE AS A CORE ELEMENT OF ALL POLICIES, PROGRAMS, AND PROCEDURES. WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN ALL THE POWER THAT WE HAVE TO USE OUR ARCHITECTURAL INTELLECT, OUR URBAN PLANNING EXPERTISE, AND OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAL LIFE CONDITIONS OF A MAJORITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S IN OUR CITY IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND [00:15:01] I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE COMMENTS ARE, ARE NOT MERELY COMMENTS, BUT OF VICIOUS PROTEST OF A RACIAL OMISSION THAT CAN ONLY BE QUALIFIED AS, AS A MODERN DAY ACT OF RACISM. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT TIME, MR. CHAIR. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. AND LOOKING AT THE, THE MEETING MINUTES, THEY ARE, AS WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE THEM AS FAR AS I KNOW, IS THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S THE APPLICATION REQUEST, THERE ARE THE FINDINGS AND THERE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN THE, UH, WHETHER THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN THE MOTION AND THE VOTE. AND, UH, MANY OF THESE CASES HAVE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION THAT ARE NOT GENERALLY INCLUDED IN THE WRITTEN MINUTES, BUT THEY ARE RECORDED IN THE, UH, PROCEEDINGS OF THIS, UH, COMMISSION. SO ADDING ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS FOR THAT ONE CASE, UH, UNLESS, UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS MAKES A MOTION AND A SECOND TO INCLUDE THEM, UH, I WOULD SAY IS, UM, OUT OF THE NORM MI MR. CHAIR, I, I HAVE A, A PREVIOUS REQUEST THAT THAT WAS HONORED. SO I HAVE KNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT IT, IT, IT DOES HAPPEN WHEN IT'S IN THE BENEFIT OR WHEN IT'S SEEN AS BENIGN, BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT THE CHALLENGES IS NOT, NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE MINUTES, IT'S ABOUT THE POLICIES THAT DRIVE RACISM. I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, MY COMMENTS ARE INCLUDED, UH, TO REFLECT RELEVANT INFORMATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE MOTION TO DENY THAT HAS NO INFORMATION AT THIS POINT ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND IT'S JUST, IT PRESENTS AN UNFAIR, UH, DISADVANTAGE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHEN COUNSEL SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WERE THE RELEVANT, UH, INFORMATION REGARDING THE MOTION TO APPROVE, WAIT AGAINST THE RELEVANT INFORMATION TO THE MOTION TO DENY, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, MR. CHAIR O H P IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE INFORMATION RELEVANT TO DENY THE, THE SYSTEM IS FIXED RIGGED UNLESS THE MINUTES RECORD RELEVANT DATA THAT PROVIDE A REASONABLE PERSON TO READ THE CASE AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON ALL OF THE INFORMATION OR AT LEAST SUMMARY OF ALL OF THE INFORMATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YOU'VE MADE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO INCLUDE THE COMMENTS IN THE MINUTES? HI, THIS, EXCUSE ME. THIS IS JOSEPH HARNEY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IF I CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION. YES, SIR. UH, THE, THE AGENDA, IT'S AGENDAS AS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. SO, UM, IF THERE WOULD BE A, A, A MOTION, UH, AND A SECOND ON THE MINUTES AND THEN DISCUSSION AND THEN A POSSIBLE ADDED AMENDMENT, AND THEN THE AMENDMENT BE VOTED ON, UH, YOU KNOW, UP OR DOWN AND THEN, UH, WHATEVER HAPPENS THERE. BACK TO THE APPROVAL OF THE, UM, ORIGINAL MINUTES. UH, WE, IT, IT'S, THE AGENDA ITEM IS FOR, IS FOR MINUTES. SO KIND OF GOING OUTSIDE OF THAT, UM, NOT, IT'S NOT TO SAY YOU CAN'T, UH, PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA IN THE FUTURE FOR DISCUSSION OF, UH, PROCESS OR PROCEDURE, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF TODAY, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. WELL, MR. CHAIR RESPONDING TO THAT WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I, I WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT MAKE TWO POINTS. FIRST OF ALL, IF THEY WERE IN THE MINUTES, WE WOULDN'T BE TAKING THIS TIME. SO DON'T BLAME THIS TIME DRAIN ON ME. SECONDLY, SECONDLY, MY CONCERN, I MAKE A MOTION, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT TO RISK THAT THAT MOTION FAILS. IT'S A, IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT. NOW, MAYBE NOT FOR A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, BUT FOR ME, I AM ASHAMED, ASHAMED [00:20:02] THAT YOUNG MAN THAT CAME THAT SAID, I HAVE NO MORE MONEY, MA'AM. I AM ASHAMED. AND IF I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ASHAMED, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE WITH ME BECAUSE I'M NOT CONTENT TO SIT HERE AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 17TH, 2021? JOSEPH CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES WITH HIS AMENDMENT, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE? UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES WITH MY AMENDMENT. UH, FOR SIMPLIFICATION, CAN WE HAVE THE, THE, THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE SECOND AND THEN THE, THE, THE, THE SECONDARY MOTION TO AMEND AND THEN A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT AND THEN, UH, BASED ON THAT, A VOTE BACK TO THE, THE MAIN MOTION. OKAY. OKAY. SO I NEED A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 17TH. TWO ONE A MOTION. A MOTION TO BE CLEAR. MOTION TO APPROVE. APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 17TH, 2021. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY, NOW WE'LL ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION OR, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. PROPOSED A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THE AMENDMENT AS READ. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT? ROLL CALL PLEASE. DEB, TO BE CLEAR. ARE WE VOTING? SORRY, WHAT? WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE FIRST MOTION. NOT YET. SO THIS ONE, OKAY, THIS IS THE VOTING FOR APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THE FULL MEETING MINUTES. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THIS IS, THIS IS A VOTE TO INCLUDE THE AMENDMENT IN THE MINUTES. IF IT PASSES, THEN THE MAIN MOTION WILL BE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED. UH, IF IT DOESN'T PASS THEN IT'S SIMPLY THE MAIN MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS NAY. WAS THAT A NAY? THAT'S CORRECT. NAY. JUST BEING CLEAR. FISH IS ABSENT. SINA NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE. OLA AYE. MASUKA. AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP NAYYY ANTE. NAYYY BETTR NAYYY LA IS ABSENT. MOTION FAILS. NOW WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THE ME, THE INITIAL MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 17TH, 2021 GIBBS. AYE V ABSENT SABINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY, BAROLA NAY MAZUA AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP AYE. ANTE. AYE. THATOR, AYE. L IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT THIS [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] POINT WE NEED TO ELECT A VICE CHAIR BECAUSE I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF OFF OF A CASE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA SO THAT THAT VICE CHAIR CAN UH, CHAIR THE MEETING FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. MAY I HAVE A NOMINATION PLEASE? I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER GROUP MOVE TO, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. MOTION PASSES. SO YOU NOW HAVE THE CHAIR AND I WILL, UH, RECUSE MYSELF AND LEAVE THE ROOM. THANK YOU. YEAH. JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER IS RECUSING ON ITEM TWO, WHICH ON IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THAT CASE. AND SO HE HAS OPTED TO RECUSE FOR THE ENTIRE VOTE ON CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM ONE ON CONSENT 4 34 SHERMAN. SO WE'LL PLAY THAT AT THIS TIME. HELLO COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNA WITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS. I'M HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER ONE FOR ADDRESS 4 34 EAST SHERMAN. WE AGREE WITH STAFF [00:25:01] WITH THE EXCEPTION OF O'S COMMENT STATING THAT THE CURRENT ONE STORY STRUCTURE IS NON-CONTRIBUTING. THE STRUCTURE APPEARS TO BE PRESENT ON THE 1912 SANBORN MAP. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT PROPER DRAWINGS SHOWING HOW THEIR PROPOSED 10 FOOT SETBACKS WILL RELATE TO THE EXISTING SETBACKS OF BOTH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ON SHERMAN AND NORTH OLIVE, PLUS THEIR PROPOSED 12 INCH FOUNDATION HEIGHT TO SCALE ON THEIR ELEVATION DRAWINGS. BOTH OF THESE ITEMS SHOULD BE PRESENTED CORRECTLY AND REVIEWED PRIOR TO BEING GIVEN APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT MUST ALSO PROVIDE THEIR WINDOWS MATERIALS SCHEDULE AND ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION NEEDED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, WE WOULD ASK THE FENESTRATION ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION BE REVIEWED AS WELL AS IT SEEMS TO BE LACKING. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING OUR COMMENTS. UM, BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR FOLDER FOR ADDITIONAL LETTERS ON CASES. WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON ITEMS, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THE VOICEMAILS. UM, SO AFTER HEARING THOSE, ARE THERE ANY, UH, ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONERS WISH TO HEAR INDIVIDUALLY? THIS IS COMMISSIONER SAVINO. I WOULD LIKE TO POLL NUMBER ONE. OKAY, WE'VE GOT THAT MARKED ON THE SCREEN. UM, ANY OTHER, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT ON CONSENT AGENDA WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS ITEMS TWO THROUGH 11. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND A VOTE ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. VICIOUS ABSENT SABINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. OLA? AYE. MAZUA? AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES. AYE. ZERS RECUSE AND L IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 6 0 2 AVENUE A 2 0 1 CROYDON. BILLY MITCHELL, VILLAGE VOL ROAD ONE 50 CROFTON 1139 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, 1145 SOUTH ST. MARY'S ONE 16 CAMARGO FIVE 19 WIX, 2 0 9 CEDAR AND 6 34 CEDAR. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO REMAIN IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. CAN I BELIEF WE HAVE, WE GOT THE APPLICANT HERE. MM-HMM. . HELLO, MY NAME IS, UH, ROBERT AMESQUITA. UH, MY ADDRESS IS, UH, 5 1 5 COSGROVE. UH, THIS PROJECT IS, HAS BEEN BE BEFORE THE BOARD A FEW TIMES. UH, THE OWNER HAS, UH, WELL WITH COVID, THE OWNER HAS DECIDED TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN WHAT WE INITIALLY STARTED WITH. UH, WE HAD A, UH, TWO STORY PROJECT. UM, THEY'VE REVISED IT TO JUST A ONE STORY PROJECT. UH, WE'RE TRYING, I THINK WE'VE MET ALL THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR ANY, UH, UH, UH, VARIANCES. UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. SEVEN, I THINK THE TOTAL PROJECT'S ABOUT 1700 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE AT 49% LOT COVERAGE. UH, WE MEET ALL THE, UH, SIDE YARD SETBACKS, UH, FOR ALL THE STRUCTURES. IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE LITTLE PROJECT. UH, ONE STORY, UH, HARDY, HARDY BOARD, SIDING AND METAL ROOF AND WOOD WINDOWS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. UM, MR. AMESQUITA, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN PERSON, UM, AND, UH, BEING AVAILABLE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT. UH, I HAD A, [00:30:01] A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF, AND I SEE COMMUNITY HAS SOME OTHER OBSERVATIONS. UM, WHAT HAS BEEN THE PROCESS TO DETERMINE THE NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE SITE? OKAY, SO, UM, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS FOUR YEARS AGO, 2018, UH, AL WE'RE COMING OUT 22, SO ABOUT ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO, UH, WE ESTABLISHED, WELL, ACTUALLY WE WENT AROUND AND, AND I THINK WE'D CONTACTED THE, THE HISTORIC AND ZONING ABOUT THAT STRUCTURE. STAFF CAN CLARIFY, UM, YEAH, FINDING B AND STAFF'S FINDINGS. UM, SO THE EXISTING LOT, THIS LOT CURRENTLY FEATURES A ONE STORY STRUCTURE. THE STRUCTURE WAS DETERMINED TO BE NON-CONTRIBUTING TO THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT ON JANUARY THE SECOND, 2019. AN ADMINISTRATIVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WAS ISSUED ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2021. AND, UH, THERE ARE PHOTOS, UH, OF THAT STRUCTURE IN THE PACKET. THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO VIEW THOSE. I'LL SHOW THOSE NOW. UM, YES, THAT WOULD BE, UH, SO WAS THIS, UH, FINDING OF LACK OF SIGNIFICANCE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION? MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S IS THIS ACTUAL STRUCTURE WAS, WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED IN 54 OR 55. IT'S, I I BELIEVE IT WAS A GARAGE. UH, IT'S MADE OUTTA C M U. OKAY. UH, THAT ONE IMAGE OF THE, UM, I'M NOT SURE, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A SANBORN MAP OF 1912 THAT'S SHOWING A SEPARATE STRUCTURE. THERE'VE BEEN SEVERAL STRUCTURES ON THIS SITE OVER THE YEARS. ONE WAS, UH, PER THAT, UH, GRAPHIC IMAGE, UH, WAS, UH, THE HOUSE WAS UP FRONT TOWARDS, UH, NORTH OLIVE, AND I BELIEVE THAT STRUCTURE BURNED DOWN. THEN THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU SAW IN THE, THE IMAGE THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHO SUBMITTED THAT, BUT, UH, THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A CARPORT AND THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SHAPE AND SIZE THAN WHAT THAT, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE. RIGHT HERE ON THE SCREEN NOW IS THE 19TH 12 SANBORN MAP REFERENCE. UH, GOTCHA. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO THE DRAWINGS AND THE ACTUAL DESIGN. I'VE, UM, THIS DESIGN IS JUST HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE WHAT, UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. I THINK IT'S A, UH, A GREAT INTERPRETATION OF GUIDELINES. IT'S PROBABLY, UM, A GOOD FIT, PROGRAMMATIC FIT FOR YOUR CLIENTS. UM, HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME GAPS IN THE REVIEW AND, UM, I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE, UM, KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD BE, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE DOCUMENTED. FOR EXAMPLE, THE WINDOW PLACEMENT ON THE WEST, WHICH I I'M SURE YOU'VE AGREED TO, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THOSE, UH, I BELIEVE ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE ARE NO WINDOWS ON THAT RIGHT. UH, SIDE. SO I'VE AGREED TO, UH, TO THAT STIPULATION, AND WE WILL BE PUTTING A COUPLE OF WINDOWS. I'LL BE MOVING THE, UH, THE, UH, CLOSETS TO THE, TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE ROOM AND THAT I CAN GET MY WINDOWS IN THAT WAY. AND WINDOWS THAT CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES FOR RIGHT? CORRECT. UH, OUR PLANS CALL OUT FOR WOOD WINDOWS AND, UH, I'VE GOT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE OFFICE, UH, TELLING ME WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE. AND I'M, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET IN THERE, BUT HE'S GIVEN ME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. OKAY. SIMILAR TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STUDY THAT LACKS WINDOWS. OH, YOU WANT SOME IN THERE TOO? THAT'S, I HAVE A BATHROOM THERE. OH, ON SOUTH SIDE. SOUTH SIDE. YOU SHOULD . WELL, THIS IS, UM, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH SO MANY GAPS IF, UM, TO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DRAWINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT BETTER COORDINATED, I SUPPOSE. UM, THERE'S A NOTATION TO STAIRS, AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU WHERE THE STAIRS ARE IN THE PROJECT AS WELL AS THE CHIMNEY FOR THE FIREPLACE NOTATED. OH. SO THESE DRAWINGS WERE SUBMITTED AS A, UM, UH, FOR, UM, UH, APPROVAL THROUGH THE AO, UH, H D R C. UM, SO SOME OF THESE NOTES ARE FROM A FULL SET OF FINAL DOCUMENTS. NOW, WHEN WE SUBMIT THESE TO THE DRAWING TO THE CITY FOR FINAL, ALL OF THAT WILL BE CLEANED UP. YEAH. FOR OUR PURPOSES HERE, I'M LOOKING FOR A CHIMNEY AND I WANNA SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THERE IS NO CHIMNEY. YEAH. UH, I DIDN'T FIND ONE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE FIREPLACE NOTATION IN THE DRAWINGS. HMM. YEAH, THERE IS NO CHIMNEY, NO FIREPLACE. OKAY. UM, SO, AND THEN WE HAVE A UNCOORDINATED WINDOW ON THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT'S IN THE BATHROOM. UM, THERE'S A UNCOORDINATED, UH, WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE IN THE STUDY. UM, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DOCUMENT YOUR FOUNDATION HEIGHTS AS WE DO FOR MANY OTHER PROJECTS OKAY. WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS WELL AS [00:35:01] DOCUMENT. SO JUST THE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. UM, THE ONE ON THE, UM, SHERMAN AND ONE ON THE OLIVE. I WOULD SAY MINIMALLY. OKAY. WELL, MINIMALLY, I'M GONNA BE IN NON-COMPLIANCE ON THE, UH, OLIVE SIDE BECAUSE THE OLIVE SIDE IS ABOUT FOUR FEET HIGHER OR ABOUT FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN THE SHERMAN SIDE. SO IF I'M GONNA BE, AND WE'RE PROPOSING THE HOUSE TO BE FACING THE SHERMAN STREET, SO I INTERPRETED THAT IT'D BE MORE IMPORTANT TO BE ASSOCIATED, OUR FLOOR HEIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SHERMAN PROJECT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE. RIGHT. SO EVEN THOUGH OUR, OUR SIDE HOUSE, WHICH WOULD BE THE, UH, UH, OLIVE SIDE MM-HMM. , WE'RE GONNA BE THREE FEET BELOW THAT IN ORDER TO BE ONE FEET FROM ONE FOOT FROM THE SHERMAN SIDE, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO SHOW US HOW THE HOUSE ELEVATION HEIGHTS FIT IN WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. OKAY. YEAH. I CAN DO THAT WITH ADJACENT POWER, ESPECIALLY ALONG SHERMAN, BECAUSE SHERMAN IS THE FRONTAGE. YEAH. UH, SAME WITH THE FRONT SETBACK, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL ALSO. OKAY. WHAT, UH, SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THINK OVERALL, SO I DON'T TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME. UM, OVERALL I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT REALLY BEGINS TO REINSTATE THE HISTORIC FABRIC OVER ON THAT CORNER IN THE EDGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DOCUMENTATION. WELL, UH, REGARDING, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU THE SETBACKS, UH, ON ALONG, UH, SHERMAN STREET. UH, I'VE GOT THOSE GUY, I WENT OUT THERE, I WENT OUT THERE AND FIELD MEASURED. UH, AND, UH, IF YOU WANNA LISTEN TO A, A FEW MINUTES OF THAT, UH, CAN, I THINK A BETTER IDEA WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE PACKAGE. OKAY. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT THEM AGAIN WITH A COMPLETE PACKAGE. OKAY. MI MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. MR. UM, THERE, THERE'S, UH, A LIST OF COMMEND RECOMMENDATIONS. YES, SIR. ONE THROUGH SIX. YES, SIR. HOW, HOW DO YOU STAND ON COMPLYING WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF? THOSE YES, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF. OKAY. CO CORY OR EDWARD, WHO, EDWARD, ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS PRESENTED HERE ON THE SCREEN, ARE THEY, UH, OF THE TYPE OF, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT ENABLE O H P TO ADMINISTRATIVELY GUIDE THIS APPLICANT THROUGH, UH, THE PROCESS OF, UH, COMPLETING THIS PROJECT AS RECOMMENDED? GENERALLY? SO, YES. UH, THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS WILL NEED TO BE AN ANNOTATION ON THE DRAWINGS. THE DRAWINGS WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED TO SHOW THAT, UH, THERE'LL NEED TO BE ANNOTATIONS THAT NOTE COMPLIANCE WITH THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS. THERE'LL NEED TO BE A CUT SHEET FROM A PRODUCT SUPPLIER TO MEET THE STIPULATION FOR THE WINDOWS. THE DRAWINGS WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED TO SHOW THAT AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW WILL BE INSTALLED. UH, AND THEN IN REGARDS TO, UH, NUMBER FIVE, UH, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO, UM, RE-INTRODUCTION OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING ITEM ON SITE NUMBER SIX, THAT'LL ALSO NEED TO BE NOTED ON THE SITE PLAN. UH, SO THE DOCUMENTS WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED, UM, AND STAFF CONSISTENTLY WORKS WITH APPLICANTS, UH, TO ADDRESS AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ANNOTATIONS OR DRAWINGS ARE UPDATED IN AN ADEQUATE MANNER. UM, THAT IN THAT EVENT THAT THE DESIGN CAN MOVE ON TO PERMITTING, UM, AFTER THEY RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. E EDWARD, THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. CHAIR. I, I, UM, I FEEL THAT THAT, UM, STAFF HAS PRESENTED, UH, UH, UH, WHAT THEIR ROLE WILL BE IN GUIDING THIS. UM, THIS APPLICANT AND I WOULD BE IN, IN SUPPORT OF A MOTION TO APPROVE AS RE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF STIPULATIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. IS THAT A MOTION? YES, THAT'S A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YES, MR. CHAIR? UM, I, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER VIN'S COMMENTS, BUT I ALSO TRUST STAFF. WE HAVE SEEN THIS MANY TIMES WHERE, UM, WE CAN EITHER ADD STIPULATIONS, WHICH PROBABLY COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO COULD DO RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS PRETTY CLEAR ON WHAT THEY NEED BEFORE THEY'LL PUT IN THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROVEMENT ISN'T, AND WE DO HAVE LONG AGENDAS EVERY MEETING, AND WE ARE MAKING APPLICANTS COME IN, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, IF THE REQUEST IS FOR YOU TO COME BACK, IT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS NOT ABLE TO APPROVE. [00:40:01] RIGHT. UH, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. ATIONS ARE VERY CLEAR AND I THINK MAYBE I'LL JUST LET COMMISSIONER SINO LET HER ADD SOME STIPULATIONS IF SHE WISHES. ALRIGHT. REGARDING THE STIPULATIONS, I GOT THEM RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING. I HAVEN'T HAD, YOU KNOW, SHORT, I HAD A SHORT NOTICE TO GET HERE ON, ON DECEMBER 1ST, SO, UH, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO, TO ADJUST MY DRAWINGS TO THE STIPULATION. OKAY. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME, UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS. MM-HMM. TO THE STIPULATIONS. UM, NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDING H UH, WITH PHOTO DOCUMENTATION OF BLOCK FOUNDATIONS OR FOUNDATIONS FOUND ALONG THE BLOCK. IF YOU COULD ADD DOCUMENTATION TO YOUR FILE AND WE COULD LOOK AT IT. YEAH, I, I WILL. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT. THIS, THE, FROM THIS CORNER, IT SLOPES DOWN TOWARDS, UH, NEW BRAUNFELS, UH, AND THEN GOING UP, UH, PINE, IT'S GOING UP. OKAY. LET ME MAKE ANOTHER, OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. AMENDMENT TO STIPULATION, UH, FENESTRATION BE ADDED ON THE WEST SIDE. MM-HMM. ADE IS NOTED. OH, THIS IS NUMBER FOUR. AS NOTED IN FINDING M UM, AND THAT THAT FENESTRATION, UH, PROPOSED FENESTRATION SHOULD ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE WINDOW GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, ADD A SIX FOR SAME FOR SOUTH ELEVATION AT STUDIO. SAME TEXT THAT THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION SHOULD ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AND TO THE WINDOW GUIDELINES IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND EIGHT DIAGRAM FRONT SETBACKS ALONG SHERMAN OR CONFIRM FRONT SETBACKS ALONG SHERMAN STREET FOR STAFF'S PURPOSES. COULD I REPEAT THAT TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE YES. EVERYTHING. OKAY. SO, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXPANDED OR ADDED STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT PHOTO DOCUMENTATION, NOTING THE, THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCK TO ENSURE ACCURACY AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT A WINDOW IS ADDED TO THE WEST FACADE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS, THAT A WINDOW IS ADDED TO THE SOUTH FACADE OR SOUTH ELEVATION IN THE STUDIO THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS AND THAT A DIAGRAM OR SETBACK DIAGRAM BE SUBMITTED. UH, 10 ENSURE ACCURACY OR TO DOCUMENT SETBACKS. YES. DOES THE MOTION, UH, APPROVE THE AMENDMENT? MR. CHAIR? I, I APPROVE OF THE, UH, AMENDMENTS. DOES THE SECOND, UM, SURE. SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. VICIOUS ABSENT. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. OLA? AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP. AYE. ANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. LA IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] 12, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 3 82 32 LAVACCA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE THE NON-ORIGINAL TWO STORY REAR EDITION. TWO, CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR EDITION, AND THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH COLUMNS WITH ROUND COLUMNS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH Q. IF THE H D R C FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT AND RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS APPLY, ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ROOF FORMS ON THE LIGHT. AND THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC ROOF FORMS IS NOTED IN FINDING. J. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATED A SIMILAR ROOF FORM AS THE EXISTING ADDITION. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE MATERIAL PALLETS THAT MINIMIZE THE VISUAL WEIGHT OF THE REAR ADDITION. AS NOTED IN FINDING I THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINS ALL EXISTING WINDOW LOCATIONS AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A WINDOW SCHEDULE THAT ILLUSTRATES ANY WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED ON THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE IF APPLICABLE. ALONG WITH SUPPORTING EVIDENCE THAT THE WINDOW SASHES ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR, ALL EXISTING OPENINGS MUST BE RETAINED AS NOTED IN FINDINGS L THROUGH O FOR THE APPLICANT. SUBMITS FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE ADDITION FOR STAFF TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS ARE IN REGARDS TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF STAFF STANDARDS FOR STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS ARE INCLUDED. THERE'S AN [00:45:01] ADDITIONAL COMMENT REGARD IN REGARDS TO AN ONSITE INSPECTION THAT IS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF. NO RIDGE VENT CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN ALL EXISTING CHIMNEYS, DOOR DORM VENTS, DORMER SHINGLES, AND OTHER SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. SEVEN. THAT FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR SIDING, SKIRTING, AND OTHER EXTERIOR ELEMENTS BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A EIGHT AT, AT THE POSTS AND RAILS ON THE PROPOSED FENCING. THE WOOD IN LIEU OF THE REQUESTED FULLY METAL FENCE STYLE IS NOTED IN FINDING P AND NINE. THAT FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCE MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ALLOWED BY THE H D R C AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. ADDITIONALLY, ALL FENCES MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 514. IF THE H D R C FINDS IT REQUESTS CONSISTENT AND RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL, ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REPRESENT REPRESENTED, REPRESENTED IN THE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST LANGUAGE FOR THIS CASE REQUIRES A SEPARATE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AS NOTED IN FINDING Q I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, CLINT BLUE IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY. HEY THERE. UM, PER THE, PER THE MEETING LAST, UH, TIME WE HAD, I GUESS FOR THE CONCEPTUAL, UM, MOST OF THIS WAS, WAS ADDRESSED AND, AND WE WENT THROUGH IT AS FAR AS THE SIDING, THE WINDOWS, UM, WE'RE NOT REPLACING ANY WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. WE ARE GOING TO, UM, RENOVATE THEM AS FAR AS THE NEW WINDOWS. THEY'RE THE SAME SIZING. UM, AS FAR AS THE SIDING THAT WAS ADDRESSED, UH, THE ROOF, IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. SO MAYBE, UM, I GUESS TURNING IT OVER TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, O H P I GUESS TO LET US KNOW WHAT, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE THINKING. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? UM, CAN YES, MR. CHAIR? UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO, WE DON'T. NO. NO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GR. YEAH, I WANTED TO SAY WE, WE COME SEXUALLY APPROVED THIS A WHILE BACK. WE KEPT SOME OF THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. DID WE KEEP ALL THE STIPULATIONS OR DID WE REMOVE SOME, I MEAN, I'M SURE WE REMOVED SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS. DO WE HAVE RECORD OF WHAT WE DID BACK THEN? WE DO. UM, I WILL DISPLAY THOSE ON THE SCREEN IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE STAFF TO READ THOSE. I CERTAINLY CAN. WELL, MR. DO LITTLE MR, WAS THERE ANY CHANGES BETWEEN WHAT WE SAW ON CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TILL NOW? UM, WELL, I, LET ME, UH, I THINK IT MAY BE, UH, EASIER IF I NOTE WHAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, FROM CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO NOW. UH, SO THE FIRST STIPULATION OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WAS THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIED THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ROOF FORMS ON THE LOT. AND THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC ROOF FORMS IS NOTED IN FINDING J UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED AT THAT TIME. UH, SIMILAR ROOF FORM AS THE EXISTING ADDITION. UH, THIS STIPULATION HAS NOT BEEN MET. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE MATERIAL PALLETS THAT MINIMIZE THE VISUAL WEIGHT OF THE REAR. ADDITION IS NOTED IN FINDING EYE THE STIPULATION HAS NOT BEEN MET. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE APPROPRIATE WINDOW SIZES AND PROPORTIONS AND MODIFY THE OVERALL FENESTRATION PATTERN. THE STIPULATION HAS NOT BEEN MET. FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE MATERIAL PALLETS THAT MINIMIZE THE VISUAL WEIGHT. I THINK THAT'S REPEAT OR REPETITIVE, BUT THAT STIPULATION HAS ALSO NOT BEEN MET. UH, THE APPLICANT RETAIN ALL EXISTING WINDOW LOCATIONS AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. UH, NO WINDOW REPLACEMENT IS REQUESTED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. UH, THE STIPULATIONS IN REGARDS TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS, ROOFING MATERIALS, ET CETERA, THOSE CONTINUE TO APPLY AS WELL AS THE RETENTION OF ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS SUCH AS CHIMNEYS CONTINUE TO APPLY. UH, SO IT ESSENTIALLY STIPULATION 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN MET OR THE SAME AS THEY WERE AT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. IF YOU'RE READING IT THERE, IT SAYS IT HAS BEEN MET ON THREE AND FOUR, AND THEN WE WENT OVER THE ROOF, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE, UM, COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE MATERIAL PALLETS, WHICH WAS CHANGED, UH, SEVERAL TIMES. UH, THE, THE SIDING THAT WAS, THAT WAS THERE. SO AS FAR AS WHAT I'M SEEING AND READING IT, NUMBER THREE AND FOUR ACTUALLY DO SAY THAT HAS BEEN MET. I, IT DOESN'T SAY, HAS NOT BEEN MET. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. AS FAR AS, YEAH, AS FAR AS NUMBER ONE AND TWO, UM, AGAIN, THOSE WERE APPROVED, UM, CONCEPTUALLY BY THE, BY THE COMMISSION. SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH YES, EVERY, EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, AS FAR AS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE COMMISSION, THAT'S WHY I WAS SORT OF CONFUSED THAT THOSE WERE ON THERE AS WELL OUTSIDE OF IT BEING A [00:50:01] STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT BEING THAT THE COMMISSION HAD APPROVED IT. YEAH. JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS VERY SIMILAR TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME OF CONCEPTUAL AND SO COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION STEERED A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO OFFER THAT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. WE JUST HAVEN'T CHANGED THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO YOU'RE EVERYBODY'S RIGHT. IT DID RECEIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER HOW, HOW IT WAS SO, UM, BECAUSE I DO FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT HAD MADE A GOOD CASE, UM, FOR THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ROOF FORM. UM, IF WE LOOK AT WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND, AND, AND HOW HE PRESENTED THE FIRST TIME, I MEAN, THE PROJECT HAS EVOLVED. UM, AND I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT LAST TIME, AND THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES, UM, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF WHERE THE HOME IS AND EACH HOME IS DIFFERENT. AND IN LA VACA THERE IS A, UM, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITH THE, THAT ROOF FORM. I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT, MR. CHAIR. I, I RECALL THIS, UH, PROJECT AND, AND THE, THE, THE, THE REAL WELL DONE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT, WELL BALANCED. UH, I APPRECIATE, UH, STAFF'S CLARIFICATION ABOUT, UH, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MET. AND, UM, UH, UH, EDWARD IS, THIS IS FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THIS IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRI ISSUES. YES, IT'S A GOOD APPROPRIATENESS. I I, I, I DO FEEL STRONGLY THAT, THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, UM, BEEN, BEEN VERY, VERY SKILLED AT, AT EMPLOYING A, A PARTICULAR, UM, COMMENTARY. AND, UM, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF, OF, OF APPROVING AS PRESENTED BY THE, UM, THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, YES, I'VE REMEMBER THIS CASE. WELL, WE'VE MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH D R C, UH, NUMEROUS COMMISSIONERS AND THE APPLICANT AND, UH, IT HAS EVOLVED. UH, THE, I THINK THE, UH, UM, MATERIALS AND THE WINDOWS HAVE, UH, MEET THE, UH, GUIDELINES. UH, WE DISCUSS THE LINK BETWEEN THE MAIN PART OF THE ADDITION AND THE MAIN HOUSE AS BEING, UH, UNIQUE. AND IT, IT SETS APART THIS AS AN ADDITION AND NOT A, UH, REPETITION OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE. UM, AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, UH, THE PROPOSAL. I'M READY TO DO A MOTION. MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STIPULATION. I THINK WE CAN AGREE THREE THROUGH NINE. SORRY. NO, I'M GONNA DO STIPULATION THREE AND FOUR, WHICH IS THE WINDOWS. AND THE APPLICANT SAID WILL, OF COURSE, COMPLY STIPULATION FIVE, THE STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF STIPULATION THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE. I WILL REMOVE STIPULATION SIX TO NOT BE INCLUDED, BUT LEAVE SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE. I'LL SECOND THAT. UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTION. YES, SIR. UH, SIR, WITH RESPECT TO THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE, UM, IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE MOTION THAT, UM, PREVENTS THE, THE STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING ARCHITECTURALLY, UH, TO SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE? OR, OR THAT, THAT YOU FEEL ALTERS THE SPIRIT OF ITS OF, OF, OF WHAT IT STANDS FOR? UM, NO, CURRENTLY, AS FAR AS LOOKING AT, IF I'M LOOKING AT IT CORRECTLY FROM WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, IT'S, I, I BELIEVE IT'S ALL COMPLYING LAST TIME WE HAD ADDRESSED IT. AND I THINK THAT STAFF HAD JUST SAID THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SAYING THAT WE WERE GONNA BE DOING IT. SO IT'S, IT'S ADDRESSED VERY PLAINLY AND CLEARLY ON THE, UH, PLAN AS WELL, WHICH WAS ASKED WHENEVER WE ALL MET TOGETHER, UH, SEVERAL TIMES, UM, IN THE PRIVATE MEETINGS, WHICH WAS TO JUST OVERLY CLARIFY THAT YES, WE WILL, WE WILL PROVIDE LIKE WINDOW SCHEDULES, WHICH IS NOW ON THERE, UM, THAT WE WON'T BE CHANGING WINDOWS, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UM, YEAH, TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AS, AS WE DO THE FENCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT IT'S DONE CORRECTLY. UM, AT THE MOMENT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT EVEN ADDRESSING THE FENCE. I THINK WE HAD LOOKED AT DOING A METAL FENCE [00:55:01] JUST FOR THE FACT THAT IT'S, UM, IT ROTS AWAY, OBVIOUSLY AT TIMES AND A AND A LOT MORE UPKEEP TO USE A, A WOOD FENCE. BUT AT THE MOMENT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT EVEN TRYING TO REALLY ADDRESS THE FENCE. IF, IF WE WANTED TO REMOVE THAT, THAT STIPULATION EVEN AND, AND COME BACK AT A LATER DATE. BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU. UHLIN, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. JUST, SORRY, I'M GONNA, CAN I AMEND MY MOTION JUST TO INCLUDE STIPULATION SIX? I DIDN'T WANNA REMOVE IT. I CAN REPEAT. IT WOULD JUST BE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO INCLUDE STIPULATIONS THREE THROUGH NINE. IT'S NOT AN IMPORTANT STIPULATION BECAUSE THE, THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THE MANY DRAWINGS. I JUST WANNA KEEP IT THERE. OH, SECOND STANCE. SECOND STANCE. OKAY. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH IS ABSENT. SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. OLA? AYE. MASUKA. AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP. AYE. BANES? YES. BUTZER. AYE. LA IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU GUYS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 0 2 4 2 0 5 OSTROM. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE EXISTING REAR ADDITION TO RESTORE THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HISTORIC 1935 STRUCTURE. TWO, TO REHABILITATE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THREE, TO CONSTRUCT TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE TO FRONT OSTROM TO THE SOUTH. FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING ADDITIONS BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT WOOD SIDING, WOOD, WINDOWS, AND WOOD FRAMING THAT IS SALVAGEABLE BE SALVAGED FOR REUSE ON SITE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REHABILITATION OF THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE, THAT ORIGINAL MATERIALS BEYOND REPAIR BE REPLACED WITH IN KIND MATERIALS TO FEATURE MATCHING, MATCHING PROFILES. WHOLESALE MATERIAL REPLACEMENT SUCH AS SIDING REPLACEMENT IS NOT ALLOWED. TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE FOUND TO BE BEYOND REPAIR SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THEIR REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH S WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED BRICK FOUNDATION SKIRTING IS MODIFIED TO FEATURE LAP SIDING TO MATCH THE PROFILE OF THE HOUSE'S SIDING. TWO, THE COMPOSITE BOARD THAT COMPOSITE SIDING SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH BORES THAT FEATURE A THICKNESS OF THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH AND EXPOSURE FOUR INCHES. THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH, SEAMS OF ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND A STANDARD GAL BLOOM FINISH. A LOW PROFILE PROFILE RIDGE CAP MAY BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IF ONE IS NEEDED. THREE, THAT A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND IN FINDING M FOUR THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE BE DETACHED FROM. THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING P FIVE. THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION SHOULD BE ADDED TO FACADE SECTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY VOID OF FENESTRATION AND THAT ALL SMALL SQUARE WINDOWS BE ELIMINATED. WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE TRADITIONAL SIZES AND PROFILES. SIX, THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND SEVEN, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY. IT'S APPLICABLE. THERE'S ALSO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A FOUNDATION INSPECTION AND THE STAND STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION. THE APPLICANT, TOBY STAPLETON, IS HERE IN PERSON. YES, SIR. MR. STAPLETON, WOULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, STAFF. UM, OKAY, SO I GO FIRST AND THEN, YEAH. YES, SIR. UM, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, UH, FOR, UH, HAVING ME HERE. I'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES. I THINK, UH, I KNOW A COUPLE OF THE COMMISSIONERS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I'VE BEEN, EXCUSE ME, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I'VE BEEN, UH, I'LL GO, I'LL RUN DOWN REALLY QUICKLY THROUGH SOME OF THESE SLIDES. UH, I DO HAVE UPDATES ON THIS, UH, CHIP RIGHT HERE RELATIVE TO ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS, UM, AND SOME OTHER CLARIFICATIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED BY THE, UH, LOCAL RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD [01:00:01] ASSOCIATION HERE, STAR BOARD. SO I DID UPDATE EVERYTHING SO THAT YOU WERE GETTING EVERYTHING RIGHT AT HAND. IF YOU'D WOULD LIKE ME TO SHOW THAT I CAN, MR. CHAIR, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ENABLE THE, THE APPLICANT TO SHARE HIS FILE WITH US. IS THAT WHAT EDWARD, YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN? I BELIEVE THE DOCUMENT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN. I BELIEVE WHAT HE NOTED IS HE HAS UPDATES OR REVISIONS THAT HE INTENDS TO ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENTS WITH. OKAY. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN GIVE TO EDWARD? AND THANK THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S THE ONE FILE THAT'S IN THEIR LABEL, EDWARD. SO, YEAH, I, I THINK THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, UM, RUN A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD, UH, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE D R C EVENTS BEFORE WE DECIDED TO COME HERE IN PERSON AND, AND TRY TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGARDLESS OF, UH, UH, THE FEEDBACK OR THE LACK THEREOF. UM, SO WE, WE JUST TRY TO PROGRESS AHEAD AND, AND TRY TO GIVE EVERYTHING. SO LOOK, UH, WE, WE CAN RECAP, UH, THROUGH THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE DESIGN INTENT, THE PREVIOUS DESIGN REVIEWS TO TELL KIND OF THE STORY ABOUT HOW WE'VE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHICH I FEEL IS THE, AND, AND A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS DURING D R C FEEL LIKE IT IS, WAS THE, HAS BEEN THE BEST PATH FORWARD THAT THEY'VE SEEN TO DATE. UM, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT ARE DOWN HERE. WE MET WITH THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, HOSTED THEM BY THE CHAIR OF RALLY WOOD IN FEBRUARY 14TH. UM, WE HAVE THE UPDATED NOTES IN THERE, AND WE HAVE SOME NOTES ALSO FROM, UH, JUST THE MEETING THAT WE HAD FOR TWO HOURS ON SUNDAY NIGHT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY DID NOT HAVE SUPPLY ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, UH, TO US, UM, SINCE THAT MEETING, UH, WE, THEY JUST HAVE FIELDED QUESTIONS FOR AN HOUR AND 50 MINUTES WITH THEM. SO I THINK WE COULD JUST PROBABLY GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, WE'VE INCLUDED AN NARRATIVE. WE'VE INCLUDED THE LOCATION TO REMAIN AS IS AT ONE STAGE THE COTTAGE WAS MEANT TO. WE WERE TRYING TO MOVE IT FORWARD, BUT PER WORKING WITH, UM, ZONING, UH, CATHERINE HERNANDEZ, UH, RACHEL HOLDER, COREY, EDWARD, THE STAFF HAVE ABSOLUTELY BEEN GREAT TO HELP US KIND OF GET INTO THE RIGHT SPACE WITH OUR ZONING SETBACKS AND ALL OF THAT REQUIREMENTS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ZONING FOR 4.75 YEARS CURRENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLETE ALIGNMENT BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN CHANGES. UM, THE, WE'VE PROVIDED THE REACH HEIGHTS AS PER REQUESTED BY, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, CHAIR FETZER. UM, WE'VE INCLUDED ALL THE SETBACKS, UM, ZONING OPTIONS ISSUED FOR PERMIT DRAWINGS, MORE KIND OF SUBSTANTIAL DRAWINGS IN THERE. SO THAT, UM, YOU REALLY WANTED TO SEE WHAT IT IS SO THAT WE COULD ESSENTIALLY TAKE THIS AND GO STRAIGHT THE PERMIT. UM, WE'VE PROVIDED THE D R C FEEDBACK TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE LATEST HEARINGS IN FEBRUARY AND NOVEMBER. UH, DRIVEWAY MODIFICATION PLANS. WE ACTUALLY MODIFIED THE DRIVEWAY SUBSTANTIALLY. UM, WE'VE UPDATED RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD STATION QUESTIONS. THIS IS FIVE YEARS OF, UH, OF WORK. SO I, I'M TRYING TO REALLY BLAST THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY FOR YOU. I APOLOGIZE. UM, WE HAVE UPDATED DESIGN UPDATES APPLIED FROM D R C, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM O H P STAFF, WHICH WE ARE BAR ONE ITEM IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IS ONE THAT WE'RE QUESTIONING, AND I'LL RUN THROUGH EXACTLY WHY WE, WE WERE QUESTIONING THAT RESPONSE TO RECOMMENDATIONS ACCEPTANCE. SO IF YOU COULD JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. SO, LOOK, LOOK, JUST SOME OF THE DESIGN INTENT, WHICH CAME FROM THE, THE DESIGN TEAM, YOU KNOW, UM, I'VE BOLDED OUT SOME OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, QUIET AND PRIVACY IN THESE POETIC SPACES, THIS COMPOUND, YOU KNOW, APPROACH IN THESE AREAS OF INTIMACY, INCLUSIVE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESSIBILITY, BUT PARADOXICALLY REVEAL LITTLE, YOU KNOW, HEAVY PLANTING AROUND AND SCREENING, POETIC CONTAINED PRIVATE WORLD IN ITSELF. SOME GENTLE BARRIERS AROUND THE PROPERTY. IT IS AN ISLAND WE'RE SURROUNDED. UM, UH, WE'RE PAINTING PLANTINGS, THE BLUR EDGES BETWEEN THE STRUCTURE AND THE, AND THE GROUND. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS IS A, A LOT OF KIND OF, UH, [01:05:01] JUST THE INTENT AND WHERE WERE WE COMING FROM AND HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE THIS, THIS, THIS ISLAND FROM ALL THESE DIFFERENT ANGLES AND INTERACT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU, WE'VE DVO. WE HAD AT ONE STAGE, WE WERE TRYING TO ADD ON A TWO STORY TO THIS COTTAGE. AND NO MATTER WHAT WAY WE WENT WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND WE WORKED WITH THEM, WE, THERE WAS NO WAY THAT IT LOOKED TOO NEW. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS TOO OLD, IT WAS TOO BIG, IT WAS TOO SMALL, IT WAS UP, DOWN. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE DIVORCED THE COTTAGE COMPLETELY AWAY FROM THE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE, WHICH IT IS ZONED FOR A, UH, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE NOTES FROM SHEPHERD, UM, FROM ZONING. THIS IS ZONED APPROPRIATELY. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS WITH COREY AND EDWARD FOR FOUR, 4.7, FIVE YEARS. THIS IS ALL ZONED. THERE'S ALWAYS A QUESTION ABOUT THE ZONING, BUT IT IS ZONED APPROPRIATELY. SO WE'VE REALLY DIVORCED THE COTTAGE WAY TO KINDA GIVE THAT COTTAGE ITS OWN FEEL. WE'VE LEFT IT IN THAT RIGHT LOCATION, ET CETERA. SO IF YOU CAN SKIP TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. ALL OF THESE ARE JUST ALL TICK TICK LISTS. YEAH. ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, CONTRIBUTED CHARACTERISTICS, MASSING, SETBACKS, HEIGHT, LANDSCAPING, MATURE TREES, RETAINED, PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY, HYDRO LOCK BALANCE, UH, DRIVEWAYS, ALLOWING SCREENING, RESTORATION PLANS AND FACADES WINDOWS. WE'VE PROJECT EXECUTION PLAN THAT'S 50 PAGES LONG. UH, I'VE PUT IN JUST A, A BRIEF KIND OF OVERVIEW OF THAT TO, TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, THE LOCAL COMMITTEE ON ON SUNDAY. UM, RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT, BE IT POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, WE STILL HAVE STAYED ENGAGED. UM, H D R C ENGAGEMENT FIVE PLUS YEARS, AND THE ZONING ENGAGEMENT, IF YOU CAN JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THE LOCATION, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. UH, THIS IS A MAIN THOROUGHFARE INTO THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU COME OFF THE HIGHWAY, WHICH I'D SAY 80% OF OUR COMMUNITY DO COME IN THIS WAY AT ONE STAGE OR ANOTHER. AND THE FIRST THING THAT YOU SEE IS, YOU CAN SEE DOWN THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THAT WAS A HOUSE THAT ACTUALLY WENT IN FOR PLANNING AFTER, AFTER MY FIRST APPLICATION BACK IN 2017, AND HAS BEEN BUILT FOR YEARS NOW. SO IF YOU, UM, YOU'RE COMING DOWN AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS THE FLAT SIDE OF THAT GABLE WITH NO KIND OF DEPTH AT ALL, AND IT'S VERY FLAT AND NOT A LOT OF PLANTING. AND IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, EDWARD, UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE LATER ON IS, IS, IS SOME OF THE IMAGES IN WHAT WAY YOU COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST WANTED TO PULL OUT SOME OF THE D R C SESSION FEEDBACK. NOW, I REALLY BELIEVE, AND I, I THINK THIS REALLY GOES BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS SESSION THAT WE'RE IN TODAY, AND THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE NOTES BE THEY POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE. AND I FIND RECORDING THE NOTES ARE, ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING AND, AND HOW TO SHARE IT OUT. I'VE HIGHLIGHTED JUST SOME OF THE GREEN ELEMENTS HERE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE EFFORTS. YOU KNOW, UM, CHAIR FETZER GIVING ME EXTREMELY GOOD POSITIVE FEEDBACK IN, IN FEBRUARY, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING THIS, PROPOSING GENERALLY IN COMPLIANCE. YOU KNOW, NOT ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE ABLE TO MAKE THESE DRCS, BUT THE ONES THAT DO MAKE SUCH A DIFFERENCE TO US. YEAH. AND I REALLY COMMEND YOU FOR, FOR ALLOWING TO GIVE US THAT TIME. YEAH, IT REALLY HELPS US MOVE FORWARD. UM, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, GABRIEL , THE, YOU KNOW, YOU GAVE ME ABSOLUTE GREAT FEEDBACK, INCREDIBLE PRESENTATION. DEFINITELY THE WAY TO LAY OUT THE HISTORY OF A TRANSFORMATION, REALLY APPRECIATING THAT COMPOUND CONCEPT. YOU KNOW, UH, I, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO KIND OF SAY THANK YOU FOR THE EFFORT. I KNOW THE MINUTES DON'T REALLY REFLECT WHAT IS SAID IN THOSE THINGS, SO I REALLY WANTED TO DOCUMENT IT CLEARLY HERE BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES IT DOES GET PUSHED SHORT WHAT IS SAID. SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR SESSION THAT WE HAD JUST IN NOVEMBER AND TO, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, THE ENCOURAGEMENT 22 MINUTES INTO A PRESENTATION. IT'S HARD GOING AND, AND THE FIRST THING THAT YOU HEAR FROM A COMMISSIONER IS HE WANTS TO INTERRUPT YOU JUST TO TELL YOU THAT THE DESIGN THAT YOU'RE SHOWING IS BEAUTIFUL. THAT'S VERY ENCOURAGING, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH FIVE YEARS OF, OF JUST BACK AND FORTH WITH, WITH A COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO MOVE ON. UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ELEGANT SOLUTIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WERE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE LISA GARZA FROM CONSERVATION, CONSERVATION SOCIETY COME AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF HER COMMENTS. VERY [01:10:01] ELEGANT SOLUTION. I LIKE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS GOING TO STAY WHERE IT IS RESPECTING ALL THAT DEEP SETBACK, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN SPACE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, REALLY MAKE YOU APPRECIATE THAT EXISTING HOUSE. AND THEN YOU TURN THE CORNER AND YOU SEE THIS TOTALLY NEW STRUCTURE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FITS IN. IT'S LIKE YOU RESPECTED THE HEIGHTS, THE ADJACENTS, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DEFER TO THEM. YOU KNOW, HEARING THAT FROM A CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS, IS VERY ENCOURAGING. YEP. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS WE GO IN AND THEN, YOU KNOW, RELATING TO, YOU KNOW, AND THEN JEFF FETZER COMING IN AND ECHOING ALL OF WHAT WAS SAID, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA. UH, AND, AND KIND OF JUST GOING INTO THE LIKING THAT THE, WE INCORPORATED A GARAGE INTO THE HOUSE AND THINKING THAT IT REALLY HELPED THE SIDE PLAN IN LEAVING THE HISTORIC COTTAGE SORT OF PRISTINE AND STANDING ALONE. SO IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT, UM, SLIDE, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE WAY TO PRESENT IT AND, AND ALL OF THIS. YEAH. AND IN THESE POETIC SPACES AND THIS KIND OF INTERPLAY WITH THESE BUILDINGS AND CREATING THESE VERY INTIMATE SPACES AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I, I DID GO DOWN, YOU KNOW, TO AND I, I WALKED AROUND AND I SAT DOWN AND I LOOKED AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT REALLY FEELS LIKE WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD SPACE THERE. THE BUILDINGS ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND THIS KIND OF INTENTIONAL CREATION. AND, AND I REALLY LOVE THE STATEMENT, WHICH WAS LIKE, IT'S NOT ABOUT UNINTENTIONAL PROXIMITY, BUT ABOUT INTENTIONAL INTIMACY. WHEN YOU'RE ON AN ISLAND, YOU'RE REALLY CLOSED IN, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, AND IT'S HARD TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AFTER FIVE YEARS, I THINK WE'VE EVENTUALLY GOTTEN TO A SPACE WHERE, WHERE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD UNBELIEVABLE FEEDBACK FROM OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ACTUALLY LOOK ONTO THE PROPERTY. EVEN, UM, MIMI, WHO IS ON THE OPPOSITE CORNER, THAT WAS ONE OF THE OBJECTORS WORKED SO HARD WITH US IN FEBRUARY. SHE GAVE US FEEDBACK. SHE CAME TO THE D R C, SHE ACTUALLY GAVE US FEEDBACK THAT WE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN. WE MOVED, PLANTED EQUIPMENT AROUND, WE REDUCED STUFF. WE PUSHED THE HOUSE BACK A LITTLE BIT. WE FLEXED ON THE ORIENTATION. IT WAS FANTASTIC TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN OBJECTOR GIVING FEEDBACK. NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THE OTHERS DIDN'T. AND, AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN THERE IS ABSOLUTE RESISTANCE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. WHEN YOU STAND THERE FOR AN HOUR AND 50 MINUTES AND YOU GET NO FEEDBACK, IT'S LIKE, HOW DO WE MOVE ON? YOU KNOW? AND I KNOW IT'S BECAUSE OF, OF THE HISTORY RIGHT. ABOUT IT. AND, AND, AND, AND, AND WE'RE, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO GET INTO THAT BECAUSE IT'S UGLY AND CREATING THAT LIKE, INTERESTING COMPOUND, THIS HOMESTEAD SETTING. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, THIS IS OUR HOME. WE BOUGHT THIS PLACE BEFORE WE WERE MARRIED. WE HAVE A FOUR YEAR OLD KID NOW. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THIS HAS BEEN THE PAIN IN OUR LIVES. YEAH. UM, CAN YOU GO ON? UM, WE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST EVEN MORE, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UH, I REALLY APPRECIATED WHAT YOU ASKED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE ROOFS. AND ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE PUT IN HERE TODAY AS AN ALTERNATE WAS, WAS CHANGING THAT ROOF STRUCTURE AND, AND I'VE PRESENT THAT LATER ON AND ALSO PRESENTING THE OTHER ONE. SO IT WAS, I, I REALLY CONSIDERED IT AND I REALLY TRIED TO ACT ON WHAT YOU SAID, AND I'VE TAKEN EVERY COMMISSIONER THAT GAVE FEEDBACK, AND I REALLY, REALLY PUT MY HEART AND SOUL TO WORK WITH THE TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATED YOUR THOUGHTS AND, AND YOUR VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, I I SUPPOSE I COULD TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE AREAS AND STUFF. I THINK I MIGHT'VE KIND OF COVERED IT. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME WONDERFUL IDEAS IN HERE AND THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH AND I, I THINK IT WAS A VERY POSITIVE CONVERSATION IF YOU COULD SKIP ON TO THE NEXT, UH, LOOK, I GOT A COUPLE OF SUPPORT LETTERS, YOU KNOW, JUST THIS AFTERNOON BECAUSE I WAS WAITING FOR MY SUPPORT LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT NEVER CAME. UM, SO I WENT DOOR TO DOOR AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF LETTERS IN HERE, AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THESE LATER ON AND A COUPLE OF OTHER LETTERS FROM SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT LITERALLY SCRAMBLED TODAY TO JUST KIND OF GIVE SOME SUPPORT. YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING BUILT. THERE'S MANY VAGRANTS, THESE ARE VERY YOUNG COUPLE THAT LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN 7 31 EAST MAGNOLIA. AND THEY WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW, THEY'RE SAYING LIKE, LOOK, IT'S WAY TOO LONG. NIGHTMARE FOR THIS FAMILY. THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'VE, WE'VE GOT OUR OTHER NEIGHBOR, UH, MS. CORTEZ, YOU KNOW, AT 8 0 7 EAST MAGNOLIA. AND, AND SOME OF THE STUFF I HEARD [01:15:01] TODAY, YOU CAN SEE SHE'S WORRIED ABOUT THE VAGRANT. SHE BOUGHT THE HOUSE THERE AND THAT HOUSE RIGHT OPPOSITE HER HOUSE HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR ALL THESE YEARS. SHE WAS THERE WITH, AT THE FIRST APPLICATION GOING IN AND THE, SHE JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I GOT DRAGGED IN AND, AND FULL SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SEVEN MONTHS AND THEN DRAGGED IN BECAUSE OF THEIR LAWSUIT WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER. SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, SHE JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT. THEN IT JUST WENT SIDEWAYS BECAUSE I, I RESISTED THAT BEING DRAGGED INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S COURT CASE ON ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT ONE 12 LINDELL. SO IT WAS LIKE, SHE JUST REALLY DOCUMENTED, SHE REALLY WANTS SOMETHING BUILT. SHE REALLY WANTS US TO, WANTS YOU TO HELP. AND THAT'S ALL IN THAT LETTER. AND I THINK CARL AS WELL HAD, HAD SAID SOMETHING. UM, IF YOU COULD JUMP ON, LET'S JUMP INTO DESIGN. SO LOOK, THESE ARE ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ISSUED BY H D R C STAFF AND 11 NINE, TICK, TICK, TICK, TICK, EVERYTHING THERE. WE ARE TOTALLY WILLING TO COMPLETE COMPLIANCE AND GO IN AND MEET IT. THE ONE THING IS THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE BE DETACHED FROM THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, OR AT A MINIMUM, SEE BELOW. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM IS ATTACHED GARAGE. THE APPLICANT PROPOSED ATTACHED GARAGE TO BE LOCATED EAST OF FACADE OR ELSE ASK US TO MOVE IT AND TURN IT INTO A CARPORT AT THE BACK. NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THAT STAR ON THE MAP, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT LOVELY FACADE THAT WE COME IN DOWN THROUGH DEBERRY, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD NOW BE PUTTING A GARAGE. I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PUT IT THERE. THERE WAS NO ISSUES INSIDE MULTIPLE DRCS RELATING TO HAVING THE GARAGE ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. AND IN THE GUIDELINES, IT DOES ALSO SAY THAT IT IS ONLY ON NEW CONSTRUCTION, ON A PRIMARY FACADE, ON A BLOCK WHERE YOU DON'T, WHERE YOU USUALLY WOULD HAVE ALI OR REAR, YOU KNOW, ACCESS FOR THOSE GARAGES. SO WE ACTUALLY MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS PER THE GUIDELINES. NOW I SEARCHED AND SEARCHED THROUGH THAT WHOLE THING, YOU KNOW, AND SO DID THE TEAM AND, AND WE'VE CODED THAT IN HERE MULTIPLE TIMES. UM, IF YOU'VE JUMPED TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IT MORE VISUALLY. I THINK IT WOULD BE THE BETTER. THESE ARE ALL THE RECOMMENDATION RESPONSES THAT WE HUSTLED ON STRAIGHT AWAY, JUST GIVEN, YOU KNOW, JUST 10 DAYS AGO. UM, YOU KNOW, ADDING FENESTRATION, YEAH. CHANGING OUT THE WINDOWS UPSTAIRS TO MAKE IT MORE LOOKING LIKE HISTORIC. ADDING IN ALL OF THESE BITS AND PIECES, LOOKING AT WHAT WAY DO WE MODIFY THE ROOF, HOW DO WE GET THAT CARRIAGE SEPARATED FROM THE BUILDING, BUT STILL ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING SO THAT WE CAN MEET ZONING REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, ON SEPARATION BETWEEN STRUCTURES AND BUILDINGS. IF YOU CAN JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN AND THE CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE GARAGE AND OPEN LITTLE THINGS. UM, KIND OF STANDARD KIND OF GUIDELINES THAT ARE IN THE H D R C GUIDELINES. AVOID BLANK WALLS AND GARAGE OPENINGS ON PRIMARY FACADES, FACADES, NOT STRUCTURE ON BLOCKS WHERE REAR OR ALLEY LOADED GARAGES WERE HYSTERICALLY USED. WE KNOW THE BLOCK HAS NEVER HAD THAT. AND WE KNOW, AND WE PUT THAT PICTURE IN FROM THE GUIDELINES RIGHT THERE SHOWING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE DON'T WANT, RIGHT, IS THOSE GARAGES RIGHT ON THAT PRIMARY FACADE. BUT AS YOU LOOK AT OUR DESIGN, YOU CAN SEE THE TERTIARY FACADE WHERE THE GARAGE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ADDED. SO IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN STILL KIND OF GO BACK AND YOU CAN SEE, DO NOT INTRODUCE FRONT LOADED GARAGES. I THINK I'VE SAID THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES. HISTORICALLY, THE BOX, THE BLOCK NEVER HAD IT STAFF ALSO, OR AT A MINIMUM HAVE IT ATTACHED AND KIND OF AS A CARPORT TO THE REAR THE STRUCTURE. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE WILLING TO HAVE IT ATTACHED AT SOME FORMAT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL GO INTO IT. LOOK, WE DISCUSSED WITH THE RIVER ROAD AND IN LENT, YOU KNOW, THE REASONING BEHIND THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VALID AND COMING FROM SIDES AND ALTERNATE ROOF SECTIONS BEING OFFERED, AND THAT FEELING OF THAT ADDED OF COMPOUND, I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO ACTUALLY SAID WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE GARAGE ITSELF. UH, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE A POINTER, EDWARD. WE USED TO HAVE ONE HERE. RIGHT. UM, SO I SUPPOSE WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE TERTIARY PLANE THERE, UH, THE, THE LITTLE GARAGE LIKE ATTACHED ONTO IT, AND AS YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE STREET ITSELF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A PRIMARY FACADE, YOU HAVE A SECONDARY AND YOU HAVE A TERTIARY FACADE. THE, THE DISTANCES ALONE FROM THE OSTROM CURB IS LIKE 36 FOOT EIGHT INCHES TO THE CURB. THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER 10 FEET, NINE INCHES [01:20:01] TO THAT SECONDARY FACADE, AND THEN ANOTHER 22 FOOT TWO INCHES ON TOP OF THAT. SO YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE 58 FEET ESSENTIALLY BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE GARAGE FACADE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IN THAT PICTURE DOWN THERE WHERE IT'S LIKE THIS FLAT MO MO MOTION AND YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT, IT IS A REQUIREMENT. WE ARE KIND OF PUSHING IT BACK AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE. NOW THERE IS THAT CONNECTOR TO THE BUILDING TO ACTUALLY NOT MAKE IT AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, BUT MAKING IT PART OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS KIND OF CRITICAL FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, HEARING THE GARAGE DOOR OPEN IS ACTUALLY A GOOD IDEA FOR US JUST BECAUSE OF, UH, THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESS AND GETTING IN AND OUTTA THE CAR TAKING LIKE 20 MINUTES OR SO. YOU KNOW, AND HAVING THAT AVAILABILITY FOR US IN THE HOUSE TO HEAR MY PARENTS OR MY SISTER GETTING IN AND OUTTA THEIR CAR SAFELY IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS RIGHT. SO IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE WENT OVER THIS IN DETAIL AND ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS THAT WAS SITTING ON THE H D R C OR ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, HE, HE ALSO UNDERSTANDS WHEELCHAIR ACCESS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, YOU KNOW, TYING IT IN. AND THE COTTAGE ITSELF, WE HAVE SHOWN THERE IS A RAMP AT THE VERY BACK. WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE A D A COMPLIANT RAMP ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY WANTED TO JUST KEEP IT THERE IN THE BACK SO THAT WE COULD GET IN AND OUTTA THE GARAGE AND, AND WHEEL UP INTO THE COTTAGE AREA, YOU KNOW, AND WE WILL BE MAKING A, A RAMP ALSO TO KIND OF GET INTO THE MAIN FLOOR JUST ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE TWO STORY BUILDING TO ALLOW US TO KIND OF GET IN. SO IT'S LIKE, MY SISTER HAS BEEN IN A WHEELCHAIR FOR 40 PLUS YEARS. MY NIECE IS IN A WHEELCHAIR, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY MAKING THIS USEFUL. AND, AND I THINK ONE OF, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS PUT IT IN A LETTER THAT YOU'LL SEE LATER ON, AND IT'S LIKE, THIS IS A, AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS COMPOUND APPROACH OF FAMILY IS, IS IS VERY IMPORTANT. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK IF WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T LOOK AT THIS AND UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE DOING A GARAGE AND WHY IN TEXAS WEATHER RIGHT. BEING IRISH AMERICAN, RIGHT. IT, IT'S HOT AND IT YES, YES. LET ME, LET ME ASK IF I CAN INTERRUPT YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. UM, I, I, UM, I FEEL COMPELLED TO BRING TO, YOU KNOW, THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMISSION, THE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN, IN THE PRESENTATION. AND I THINK THE LENGTH OF THE PRESENTATION REALLY SPEAKS TO THE COMPLETENESS. UM, THE, THE, UM, UH, THE PRESENTATION DESCRIBES THE LENGTH OF THIS PROCESS THAT THERE'S D R C NOTES IN HERE FROM FEBRUARY AND D R C NOTES IN HERE FROM NOVEMBER. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN, IN, IN THE INCLUSION OF, UM, OF, I, I THINK COMMENTS THAT WE GIVE IN A D R C THAT ARE, UM, INTENDED TO GUIDE AND, AND MATCH THAT WITH THE, UM, UM, RESPONSE TO OUR ACTUAL GUIDANCE. I'M VERY ENCOURAGED BY, UH, THE LEVEL OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT. AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR OR FAMILIAR WITH H D R C KNOW THAT WITH RESPECT TO RIVER ROAD. WE, WE'VE, WE'VE TAKEN RIVER ROAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERY SERIOUSLY AND DONE OUR BEST TO PROTECT THE THINGS THAT ARE PRECIOUS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I THINK THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE IS SENSITIVE AND IT, IT, IT IS, IT IS SO, UH, SENSITIVE THAT I THINK IT COM UM, UH, OUR, OUR SUPPORT THAT THIS PROJECT MOVED TOWARD BECOMING A REALITY. NOW THAT BEING SAID, I, I, I DO, UM, FEEL THAT THE, UH, ELEVATION THAT IS PRESENTED TO US, UH, LOOKING FOR THE PAGE, 'CAUSE IT IS A LONG PRESENTATION THAT HAS THE ELEVATION THAT ARTICULATES THE GARAGE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT PAGE WOULD THAT BE? UH, I THINK PROBABLY AROUND 76. OKAY. NOW, OKAY. THE, SEE THE LITTLE PICTURE FIRST, RIGHT? THE LITTLE PICTURE THAT IS IN THE LEFT TOP RIGHT, LEFT TOP RIGHT. OKAY. THE LITTLE PICTURE THERE. [01:25:01] OKAY. IF WE COULD JUST TAKE A SECOND AND LOOK AT THAT LITTLE PICTURE. OKAY. NOW, IF WE COULD GO TO THE, TO THE OTHER PICTURE THAT IS SHOWING THE GARAGE ARTICULATED WHERE HE, HE, HE'S SAYING CONNECTED, BUT IT REALLY, I THINK IT'S MORE ARTICULATED. UH, THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE THAT SHOWS THEM A PART. UM, EDWARD, UM, IT'S A BETTER PICTURE. I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU, IF WE CONTINUED ON THAT PRESENTATION RIGHT THERE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE SLIDES DOWN. OKAY. SO I GAVE YOU A FULL KIND OF HISTORY EX, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER. YES. UM, IF MR. STAPLETON COULD, UH, PRESENT HIS FINAL DESIGN, AND THEN WE DO HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GET TO COMMISSION COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, DO YOU WANT TO SPECIFICALLY TALK TO WHAT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH STAFF ON, WHICH IS THE GARAGE? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK I LOOK, I THINK, YES. I THINK JUST JUMP BACK TO THAT ONE SLIDE PLEASE. UM, LOOK, YOU KNOW, JUST SHOWING YOU THE, THE COMPLETE KIND OF HISTORY, UM, WE, UM, WE HAD A DOUBLE GARAGE UP ON THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER THERE THAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MIMI, HER ALLEY, AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS. AND WE, INSTEAD OF US GOING INTO D R C, WE REDUCED THAT DOWN TO THAT SINGLE CAR GARAGE, THAT PETITE GARAGE RIGHT NEXT TO THE, THE BUILDING. UH, WE DID THAT BEFORE WE EVEN CAME TO THE D R C, JUST KNOWING RIGHT AWAY THAT YOU WOULD REDUCE IT. SO WE SAID, LET'S BE PROACTIVE, LET'S GO IN, LET'S REDUCE IT DOWN. THEN WE WENT BACK WITH STAFF AND STAFF SAID, HOLD ON, YOU'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OUT ON ZONING WISE. YOU NEED, UH, WE WERE OUT BY A COUPLE OF INCHES LEFT AND RIGHT. HAVING THAT GARAGE SEPARATED BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. NOW THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO ACTUALLY MAKE THAT FIT IN AND MEET THE ZONING WOULD'VE BEEN TO GO TO THE, THE, THE NEXT STEP, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN REMOVE THE EAVES, REMOVE THE SILLS, AND KIND OF REALLY MAKE IT MORE MODERN. THAT TAKES YOU DOWN TO A THREE FEET BETWEEN BUILDINGS. WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT IS JUST NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT FLOWS, BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY HAD SO MUCH POSITIVE WITH THE KIND OF THE DESIGN AND THE FLOW AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE NEEDED TO REALLY MATCH. SO WE WENT BACK AND WE SAID, LET'S ATTACH IT ONTO THE HOUSE. THEN WE JUMPED INTO, YOU KNOW, A STAGE. SO LOOK WHAT PROPOSED IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE ONE WITH THE TUDOR REVIVAL ROOF. SO YOU HAVE THAT ROOFSCAPE COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN OF, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU KNOW, SAID, HEY, HOLD ON. WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO KIND OF HAVE MAYBE A PITCHED ROOF THERE AND KIND OF SEPARATE IT OUT? SO THAT WHAT WE DID THEN FOR OUR ALTERNATE WAS TO KIND OF MOVE IT OVER. SO IF YOU COULD JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE SO YOU CAN KINDA SEE WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. ORIGINAL TWO STORY GARAGE OR TWO CAR GARAGE THAT'S SCRAPPED TOP LEFT. THEN WE MOVED TO THE SEPARATION AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TWO WINDOWS UP ON THE TOP AT SINGLE GUARD GARAGE. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MEET THAT. WE WERE A COUPLE OF THREE INCHES SHORT BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. THEN WE SAID, LET'S PUSH IT OVER NEXT TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF. AND THAT'S WHEN WE ADDED IN THAT THAT SLOPED TO THE REVIVAL ROOF, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE MULTIPLE PLACES AROUND IT. THEN WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONER ENO'S, UM, COMMENTS, WHICH ARE RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU KNOW, IT THEN REINSTATES THAT ADDITIVE ASPECT AND THAT ENTIRE SITE, YOU HAVE THIS OTHER HOUSE AND YOU HAVE THIS ADDITION INSTEAD OF A THIRD BUILDING, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE CONTAINING THIS ADDITIVE ASPECT AND SMALLER VOLUMES. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DID WAS WE REALLY LISTENED TO EVERY COMMISSIONER AND WE SAID, HERE'S ANOTHER, HERE'S AN ALTERNATE, HERE'S PROPOSED. SO IF YOU COULD JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO JUST REALLY KIND OF SHOW, SHOW THE PROPOSED AND THAT ALTERNATE TO KIND OF JUST SHOW YOU WHERE IT IS. AND THEN JUST THROW UP THERE IN THE SLIDE, THE, THE BLUE, RIGHT? SEE THAT BLUE STAR? THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS SAYING, ATTACH IT TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING OR PUSH IT OVER TO THAT LOCATION. AND, AND WE WERE LIKE, OH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOOD. SO IF YOU COULD JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, OR MAYBE THE NEXT ONE. SORRY, THESE ARE JUST THE ROOF STRUCTURES. UH, MAYBE JUST GO A COUPLE MORE, SORRY. YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT BACK THERE MAYBE. UM, SO LOOK, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS JUST A DESIGN INTENT THAT JUST TRIED TO MARRY THE, THE BUILDINGS TOGETHER AND, AND HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THAT SINGLE WINDOW UP OVER THE GARAGE SPACE AND JUST REALLY KIND OF, THIS IS ALL THIS DESIGN FLOW THAT WE, THAT WE LOOKED FOR. AND IF YOU COULD JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU KNOW, AND WE ALSO ASKED, WE WERE ASKED IF WE COULD JUST PRESENT THE SECTION TO SEE HOW THIS THING WORKED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOW CAN WE FLOW IT IN? IS THE SPACE USABLE AND HOW ARE YOU GETTING UP THERE FROM THE HOUSE AND HOW [01:30:01] ARE YOU CONNECTING INTO THE SPACE TO JUST SHOW THIS RAFTER, THIS SLIM, YOU KNOW, DUCT. WE WENT THROUGH THE C F D MODELING WITH THE ENGINEERS, SAID, THIS IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO FLOW. THIS IS HOW YOU CAN TIE IT IN. IF YOU LOOK VERY, VERY LIGHTLY OVER TO THE RIGHT OF THE BLUE ARROWS, YOU SEE THERE'S A LINE, THERE'S THAT GRAY LINE. SO THAT, THAT LINE RIGHT THERE WOULD'VE BEEN THE OTHER PITCH IF WE WERE TRYING TO ATTACH IT ON. AND THEN WE GET THIS STAGE WHERE WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE ALMOST, IT'S SIX FEET SAILING DOESN'T REALLY WORK FOR THIS SPACE. THAT'S WHY WE, THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR ASKS TO GO TO THAT LEAN TO, HENCE WHY WE, WE, WE WENT BEYOND THAT AND WE WENT BACK TO THAT DOUBLE PITCHES AN ALTERNATE. 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T GET IT TO WORK WITH THAT MONO PITCH TIED UP. SO THEN WE WENT, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT'S NOT NOT WELCOMING TO HAVE THAT TUDOR REVIVAL KINDA SLOPED, LET'S FLIP IT BACK TO, TO GIVING YOU THAT GABLE LOOK. SO WE JUST TRY TO BE EXCUSE MR. STAPLETON. SO THE ONE YOU'RE PROPOSING TODAY IS THE GABLE LOOK WITH THE SMALL CONNECTOR BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES. WE'LL TAKE ANYONE TODAY TO BE HONEST. OKAY. YOU KNOW, BUT LOOK WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THE PROPOSAL, WHICH IS PART OF THE THING IS THAT DUE THE REVIVAL. BUT WE ARE TOTALLY, WE HAVE ALL THE DRAWINGS, ALL THE PLANS, EVERYTHING DONE FOR THE ALTERNATE WHATEVER'S, UH, COMMISSIONERS WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE. WE WILL TAKE ANY ANYTHING TO BE HONEST. OKAY. UM, I I JUST REALLY WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE FLOW AND, AND, AND, AND THE DESIGN, UM, ELEMENT OF IT. UH, I THINK IF YOU COULD JUMP TO THE NEXT, UM, SLIDE, EDWARD. LOOK, WE'RE, WE'RE KEEPING THE GREEN AND, AND LOOK WITH A LOT OF THIS, ALL THOSE TREES, WE'RE KEEPING ALL THE TREES AS IF, AS IF POSSIBLE. AND THE, THE DRIVEWAY, WHAT IS DIFFERENT IS YOU CAN SEE THE DRIVEWAY. WE'VE GOT SOME HEAVY CEDAR, WE'VE GOT SOME CEDAR TREES GROWING THERE. SO WE'VE KIND OF MADE THAT HORSESHOE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OUR HOUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON. WE, WE, I LIVE IN RIVER ROAD AND WE HAVE A HORSESHOE, UM, DRIVEWAY OURSELVES, AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE HORSESHOE DRIVEWAYS. SO WE THOUGHT THAT WOULDN'T BE A NICE WAY TO KIND OF KEEP IT. ALSO, IT SCREENS A LOT OF THE, THE STREET. IF YOU COULD JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, THIS IS THE ALTERNATE JUST WITH THE, THE ROOF, UH, RIDGE SHOWN. UM, AND THEN IF YOU COULD JUST JUMP, I THINK TO THE NEXT ONE THEN. LOOK, THIS IS THE, THE ONE, UH, YOU CAN SEE 1119 STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING ADDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. SO LOOK, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 1935 AND KIND OF 1950S, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ADDITIONS ADDED ON AND THEN THERE WAS STUFF REMOVED AND ADDED IN SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES, ET CETERA. AND IT, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU GO UP INTO THE ROOF STRUCTURE ITSELF, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THAT IS. AND THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WENT UP AND SAID, AND IT'S TYPICAL, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT EYE, YOU THAT ROOF PLAN THAT'S RIGHT DOWN THERE UNDERNEATH THE, THE PIE CHART, YOU CAN SEE THAT, AND THIS IS VERY COMMON FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PERIOD IN THIRTIES YEAH. WHERE WE HAD THAT EYE KIND OF SHAPE. UM, IF YOU COULD JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS WAS, UH, I THINK WE DON'T NEED TO LABOR ON THIS ONE BECAUSE STAFF HAD ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH A, THIS WAS JUST OUR SIGHT LINES. I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS. EDWARD, EDWARD, I'M TRYING TO BE MINDFUL. UM, UH, SEP UH, COULD YOU SKIP BACK TO THE SETBACKS ONE? YEAH, SO SETBACKS WISE, UM, IF WE HAD THE ATTACHED GARAGE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. SEE THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE ACTUAL FIVE FOOT SETBACK. IF IT WAS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING, UM, BY ATTACHING IT THE GARAGE ONTO THE HOUSE, YOU, I HAVE TO RESPECT THAT, UM, THAT 10 FOOT SETBACK. SO THEN I HAD TO PUSH IT BACK, WHICH ACTUALLY HELPED US WITH THAT PRIMARY, SECONDARY AND TERTIARY PLANE, YOU KNOW, WHICH THEN REALLY MADE US MEET THE GUIDELINES. SO IT WAS A REALLY SMART KINDA MOVE BY THE, THE ENGINEERS TO KIND SAY, GO, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS GONNA REALLY FLOW NOW YOU SEE ON PLAN VIEW. MR. STAPLETON. YEAH, WE APPRECIATE THE LENGTH AND UH, DEPTH THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, YOU HAVE AGREED TO ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT THE DETACHED GARAGE, WHICH YOU HAVE PRESENTED SEVERAL OPTIONS. UM, NOT TO, UH, SHORTCHANGE YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT, UH, WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW, UH, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. AND SO IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO WRAP UP YOUR PRESENTATION AND THEN WE CAN PROCEED AND HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION ON YOUR PROJECT. [01:35:03] UM, YEAH. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YES, I'LL BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I, I THINK YOU CAN ALL THIS IS THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE, UH, INTO, UH, RIVER ROAD IN BURY. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IS OVER 40 SOMETHING FEET FROM THE CURB THERE TO JUST TO GET TO THAT FACADE. AND IT IS SLIGHTLY TWISTED. SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GETTING THAT DIFFERENT PLANES AND THOSE DIFFERENT KIND OF ORIENTATION. SO THE COTTAGE REALLY SITS ALONE BY ITSELF. THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN LINES FIELD 2019. YOU, YOU, YOU CAN KINDA SEE THE NEXT ONE. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. WE JUST HAD TO MOVE THE STEPS OVER TO THE LEFT. UM, SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK THERE. THIS IS THE REAR, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE TUDOR HOUSE, UH, KIND OF STYLE ROOF. UM, SO JUST MORE DETAILS, UM, FROM THE BERRY SIDE, VERY HEAVILY SCREENED AND WE DO, WE HAVE MODIFIED, WE HAVE GIVEN THE SIGHT LINES. UM, YOU CAN KEEP GOING EDWARD, UH, SIGHT LINES, THE KIND OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE SEEING WHAT WAY ARE THE ROOFS INTERACTING. IF YOU COULD JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, WE HAVE THE SURVEYOR OUT. KEEP GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DID MEET ALL THESE HEIGHTS ON THE BUILDINGS. WE PUT THE BUILDINGS DOWN THERE ON THE ALL THES DOWN ON THE BOTTOM. AND I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, OR COMMISSIONER FETZER, I THINK YOU WERE GOOD WITH THIS ONE ALREADY. UM, WE CAN SKIP, UH, ON JUST MORE SIGHT LINES, MORE DETAILS. YOU COULD JUST KEEP GOING. THAT'D BE GREAT. KEEP GOING. WE'RE MEETING OR ZONING, UH, HEIGHTS COMPLETELY. UH, WE'RE 11.5, UH, PERCENT LOWERED THAN ANY OF THE ZONING DETAILS. CATHERINE HERNANDEZ FROM ZONING DEPARTMENT WAS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC WITH US ON THAT. IF YOU COULD JUST KEEP GOING. UM, THIS IS JUST RELATING TO JUST SOME OF THE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS ENDING, THE STRUCTURAL RACISM AND TRYING TO REALLY, THE GUARD, THE GARAGE IS TIED TO THE WHEELCHAIR ACCESS. IF WE NEED TO DIVORCE THAT, THAT'S OKAY. WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. UM, WE DID SCAN THROUGH AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M GOING TO BRING TO THE NEXT H D R C RELATING TO TRYING TO FIND INFORMATION ABOUT A D A ACCESS INSIDE IN THE HISTORIC, UH, GUIDELINES. UM, IT IS FAR AND FEW BETWEEN AND I THINK THAT ALONE IS SOME SORT OF STRUCTURAL RACISM TOWARDS ELDERLY PEOPLE AND DISABLED PEOPLE. YEAH. UM, CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE? I THINK WE CAN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE LOOK BACK AT 2019. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. KEEP GOING. PLEASE KEEP GOING. SOME JUST REALLY GOOD RENDERINGS, ET CETERA. UM, JUST OF THE HISTORICAL ALIGNMENT STUFF, I THINK THIS WAS ALL CAPTURED BY, BY, UH, EDWARD AND THEN LITERALLY GOING INTO THE HOUSE ITSELF. AND WHAT WAY ARE WE GOING TO ATTACH IT? AND, UH, SORRY, I'M BEING DISTRACTED. UM, SORRY. EDWARD, COULD YOU GO BACK? MA'AM, COULD YOU STOP WITH THE PEN PLEASE? UM, IF YOU COULD JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE. UM, RE THIS IS RELATING TO HOW DO WE ACTUALLY TAKE A TAKE DOWN? HOW DO WE SORT OUT AND HOW DO WE DO THE RENOVATION? THERE'S A 50 PAGE PROJECT EXECUTION PEN THAT LITERALLY GOES DOWN THROUGH REMOVING THE CEILINGS, WHAT WAY WE'RE GONNA PROP WALLS, WHAT WAY WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE WINDOWS, HOW DO WE SAVE THEM, HOW DO WE BLOCK OUT THE THINGS, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RACKING STRENGTH, STRUCTURAL FUR OUT WALLS, ALL OF THAT STUFF. ALL OF THAT. IS THERE 50 PAGES OF IT THAT'S BEEN IN WITH THE COMMISSION FOR COUPLE OF YEARS ALREADY? WE HAVE UPDATED IT RECENTLY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CA CAPTURING EVERYTHING. I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR MAIN ONES THAT YOU DROVE US TO ACTUALLY GET TO WITH THE RECYCLING PLAN, ET CETERA. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KEPT AND WE, AND WE MOVED ON WITH. UM, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. AND THEN THESE ARE JUST REALLY DETAILED FLOOR PLANS AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAY WE CUT IT THROUGH. YOU COULD JUST SCROLL DOWN THROUGH THESE. I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M TRYING, I'M RUSHING MYSELF TO, TO BE MINDFUL FOR, FOR MY NEIGHBORS. UM, SORRY. WE CAN GO BACK. JUST ONE. THE MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THESE WERE SOME OF THE KEY POINTS THAT LIKE MIMI KINDA GAVE US, WHICH WAS REALLY GOOD. IT WAS ALL REALLY SOLID STUFF THAT ACTUALLY REALLY HELPED US BACK IN FEBRUARY. THE NEXT PAGE IS A TRANSCRIPT FROM THE RECORDING THAT I TOOK FOR THE HOUR AND 50 MINUTES THAT I SAT WITH, UH, WITH THE TEAM, UH, FROM THE RIVER WROTE, BUT THEY NEVER GAVE ME ANY QUESTIONS, SO I PULLED OUT ALL OF, FROM THE TRANSCRIPTS AND THE RECORDING THAT I, I DID, EXCUSE [01:40:01] ME, MR. STAPLETON. I, WE APPRECIATE YOU CAN CONTINUE. UH, UM, OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE NOTES, BUT LOOK, YOU KNOW, IN REALITY IT, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT HELPING WHEN THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE FEEDBACK AND WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE CAUGHT IN A LIE CONSTANTLY. YOU GET EXTREMELY DEFENSIVE AND THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. I AM TRYING TO DO MY BEST AND I'M REALLY REACHING OUT MY HAND. WE ARE SAVING THE HOUSE. YEAH, WE ARE DOING THE BEST THING. WE'RE PUTTING IN A VERY, VERY BEAUTIFUL DESIGN THAT A LOT OF THESE COMMISSIONERS, YOU'VE, YOU'VE REALLY HELPED ME. AND, AND EVEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND HAVING THAT FEEDBACK WAS, WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE AHEAD WITH, WITH OUR LIVES, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE OBJECTING DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY EVERY DAY. I HAVE TO DRIVE PAST THIS EVERY DAY. SO DO A BUNCH OF MY FRIENDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. UM, IF WE CAN JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE, THESE WERE JUST MORE OVER CAPS. THESE WERE ALL OF THE ZONING VALIDATIONS. THIS IS BACK FORTH. COREY, I THINK YOU CAN HOLD YOUR HAND UP. AND HOW MANY EMAILS BACK AND FORTH HAVE WE GONE THROUGH WITH ZONING? I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, IT IS, WE ARE COMPLETE. THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'LL HEAR SHORTLY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN TOTALLY REVIEWED BY STAFF MULTIPLE TIMES. UM, LOOK, MOVING BACK THE GARAGE, THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO SHOW. UM, COULD, IF YOU JUST JUMPED IN THE NEXT ONE, UH, WE ADDED A FENESTRATION, JUMPED IN. THE NEXT ONE WE'VE MET WITH ALL THE COMPLIANCE, JUMPED TO THE NEXT ONE. WE'VE LITERALLY KIND OF SAID, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE GUIDELINES RELATING TO THE, TO THE, UM, GARAGES AND WHAT WAY IT FITS. AND WE MEET ALL OF IT. AND IT'S REALLY CLEARLY CALLED OUT THERE THAT, THAT STIPULATION THAT WAS CALLED IN BY STAFF. YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY DO MEET IT, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE BLOCK. AND THEN IF YOU JUMP IN THE NEXT ONE, I THINK YOU CAN SEE THE ADDITIVE NATURE OF LIKE ADDING ON THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, AND HAVING THAT LITTLE BLOCK NEXT TO IT. IF YOU CAN JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE. AND, AND THE SIGHT LINES AND WE REALLY LOOKED AT IT. WHAT WAY ARE YOU GOING? ARE YOU GONNA SEE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE LITTLE BUILDING AND THE, AND THE BIG BUILDING? NO, YOU'RE NOT. SO IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE THAT GARAGE SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, AND IT, AND IT'S BY ITSELF. IF YOU COULD JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE. YOU CAN SEE WE TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS, WE HAD PEOPLE BEHIND THE BUSHES, ET CETERA. YOU CAN'T SEE THAT INTERCONNECTION. AND THE WAY THAT THESE, THESE BUILDINGS ARE ANGLED AWAY FROM THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL ON DIFFERENT PLANES. YOU REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT COTTAGE IS OUT THERE BY ITSELF AND IT'S KEPT THE WAY IT IS AND IT'S RESTORED THE WAY IT IS. AND THEN THIS LITTLE HOUSE IS BEING PUT INTO THE BACK OF IT. IF YOU COULD JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE AND MAYBE THE NEXT ONE. AND THEN IT'S REALLY, IT'S LOOK ALTERNATE DISCRETE ATTACHMENT OR PROPOSE TO THE REVIVAL. UM, AND THE NEXT ONE. AND THEN IF WE DO HAVE TO MOVE IT TO THE REAR OF THE SITE, UM, WE WOULD BE PUTTING THE GARAGE IN FRONT OF THAT BEAUTIFUL FACADE THAT WE HAVE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE REALLY DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE RIGHT ONE. I THINK I'LL STOP THERE. I, I APOLOGIZE FOR RUNNING, RUNNING OVER COMMISSIONERS. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, AND ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT THROUGH THIS, UH, ESPECIALLY DURING THE DRCS. UH, AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IF I, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. IT USED TO BE THAT THEY WOULD COME UP AND PRESENT AND THEN I WOULD COME UP, BUT I, I THINK IT'S CHANGED OBVIOUSLY SINCE THE LAST TIME I'VE BEEN HERE. NEXT WE'LL HAVE, YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, UH, IN-DEPTH PRESENTATION. UH, NEXT WE'LL HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD AND THEN WE'LL GET YOU BACK UP TO, UH, HAVE ANY REBUTTAL. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL GET TO COMMISSION COMMENTS. OKAY. SO WE HAVE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS AS WELL AS VOICEMAILS. SO I'LL START BY GOING DOWN THE LIST OF IN-PERSON SPEAKERS BY ORDER THAT THEY SIGNED UP. THE FIRST IS DAVID BROGAN. AND FOR EVERYONE, JUST REMEMBER TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE BEFORE YOU SPEAK. HI, MY NAME IS DAVID BROGAN. I LIVE AT 1 26 MAGNOLIA DRIVE IN THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT SINCE 1972 AND THAT THIS IS THE HISTORIC VALINO HOMESTEAD, UH, FAMILY THAT RAISED SEVEN OR EIGHT SONS. I USED TO ACTUALLY KNEW MR. VALINO AND EVEN AFTER HE WAS OLDER, OLD ENOUGH THAT HE MOVED TO A FACILITY, [01:45:01] HE STILL CAME BACK AND MAINTAINED HIS PROPERTY. SINCE HE HAS NOT OWNED THE PROPERTY, IT'S JUST CONTINUED TO GO AND DISREPAIR. IT'S BEEN NEGLECTED ENORMOUSLY AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST TRYING TO DISSOLVE INTO THE GROUND. UM, I APPRECIATE WHAT TOBY'S TRYING TO DO. FORTUNATELY, AT LEAST NOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVING THE EXISTING HOME, WHICH WASN'T THE CASE IN THE BEGINNING. UM, STILL, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE POETRY, THE POETIC ASPECT THAT HE'S TRYING TO PRESENT, BUT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S REALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT COMPOUND'S THE RIGHT WORD. IT JUST LOOKS LIKE BUILDING'S CRAMMED TOGETHER TO ME. AND THE NEW ADDITION BY ITSELF MIGHT BE NICE, BUT ON TOP OF THE OTHER BUILDING I THINK IS JUST, UM, IT, IT, IT LOOKS REALLY LIKE A, A A CRAMMED TOGETHER FACILITY. UM, WE WOULD REALLY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING NICE THERE. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS IT. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. A FEW MORE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ASTOUNDED THAT THIS IS EVEN BEFORE YOU GUYS. YOU HAVE BEEN FED A PACK OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS, MISTRUTHS MISREPRESENTATIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. EXCUSE ME. COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF IN YOUR ADDRESS? I MIGHT BE MORE. AND I LIVE AT 6 0 3 RIVER ROAD. IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN SHOW THEM THIS EDWARD AND THIS THIS, A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THE MISTRUTHS THAT YOU'VE BEEN FED IS THE NEW MAILBOX THAT THE OWNER HAS PUT UP. IT DOESN'T, THERE'S NO SUCH ADDRESS AND HE'S GOT IT ON THE SIDE OF THIS POOR DESTROYED HOUSE THAT HE HASN'T TAKEN CARE OF THAT USED TO BE SO ADORABLE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A PICTURE OF WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE. THAT MAILBOX IS CLASSIC OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH THIS PROBLEM. AND THERE'S A REASON WHY IT'S GONE ON AND ON AND ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. 'CAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY UPSET WITH WHAT THIS MAN HAS DONE TO THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE PROPERTY. THE TREES ON YOUR DRAWINGS ARE ALL FALSELY LOCATED. ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE. THE BUSHES AND TREES HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND NOT TAKEN CARE OF. AND I HAVE SOME MORE PHOTOGRAPHS TO SHOW YOU OF THAT BIG STOMPS LEFT THE GRASS NOT MOWED, TRASHED NEIGHBORHOOD, TRASHED YARD. THE HOUSE WOULD LOSE ITS HISTORIC LOOK IF THE OWNER IS ALLOWED TO ALTER IT. THE DRAWING THAT YOU SEE VERSUS THE APPEARANCE THAT ACTUALLY IS THERE OR NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME. HERE'S . UM, THE HERITAGE TREES ARE FALSELY IDENTIFIED ON THE SURVEYS THAT YOU RECEIVED AND THAT YOUR STAFF AMAZINGLY APPROVED. TWO OF THE THREE TREES WOULD BE LEVELED WITH THE NEW SECOND HOME. HE WANTS TO BUILD ON THE LOT AND VERY LIKELY THE THIRD TREE IS AT RISK. AND AS I SAID, THEY'RE HERITAGE TREES. UM, BESIDES THE TREE ISSUES, THE SUBMISSION THAT STAFF APPROVED, WHAT INCLUDES, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF ARCHITECTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'VE ALL REVIEWED MR. STAPLETON'S PLANS, MULTIPLE OMISSIONS OF FACT FALSE SCALES, FALSE MASSING DATA, MANY FAILURES TO FOLLOW THE H D R C GUIDELINES. FALSE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT ITSELF. 9,000 SQUARE FEET VERSUS 16, 16,000 SQUARE FEET. INVALID FALSE NUMBERS, EVEN MALICIOUS EVERYWHERE. THERE ARE INAPPROPRIATE CONNECTIONS, MEASUREMENTS TO THE UTILITIES. THE SLOPES ARE FALSELY PORTRAYED. THE DESIGN IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS NOT READY NOR DESERVE YOUR REVIEW. MUCH LESS YOUR APPROVAL. EVERYTHING IS OUT OF CONTEXT AND THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'D SAY 99% OF US DO NOT WANT TO SEE DONE WHAT THIS MAN WANTED US TO DO WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME, UH, SPEAK. THANK YOU. UM, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE VISUAL AIDS OR SHOULD WE SWITCH THE SCREEN BACK? OKAY, WE'LL SWITCH THE SCREEN BACK. UM, UP NEXT IS ACTUALLY RICHARD REED WAS HERE, HAD TO LEAVE EARLY. UM, HE WAS SIGNED IN, IN OPPOSITION. NEXT IS JOEL AUSTIN. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOEL AUSTIN. I LIVE AT, UH, 1 1 1 EAST PARK AVENUE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE BEEN FRIENDS OF TOBY'S FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND, UH, LIKE [01:50:01] EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON. SO HIM AND HIS FAMILY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD COULD ALSO MOVE ON. AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BIG WASTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME. FIVE YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'VE GIVEN HIM IS HE'S BEEN LISTENED TO AND WORKED ON. AND THE FEEDBACK YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS PHOTOS, UM, AND, AND, AND ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT ANY DOCUMENTATION. THERE'S THE DOCUMENTATION YOU'VE SEEN. SO THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY AND I JUST HOPE WE CAN RESOLVE THIS QUICKLY SO EVERYONE CAN MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S AFFECTING EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BARBARA WHIT. HOW BEFORE YOU SPEAK, UH, BARBARA WHIT. HOW, UH, 1 0 5 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR BEING HERE. , UH, THIS APPLICATION AS WAS WITH THE TRAIL PROJECT PROVOKES ISSUES CONTROL BY TWO DEPARTMENTS, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. O H P FOCUSES ON THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DESIGN APPROVALS, BUT THE ACCURACY OF THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS, THE SURVEY, THE SITE PLAN ELEVATIONS, AND ADDITIONAL CONSEQUENTIAL DESIGN RELATED DOCUMENTS LIKE ZONING LAWS, U D C AND FIRE VIOLATIONS, BUILDING CODES, WHICH WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT THE DESIGN ARE NOT CON, UH, ARE NOT CONSIDERED, THEY CAN'T BE HERE. STAFF WILL TELL YOU THAT THE MOST SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS FIRST MEET WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO ENSURE THE VARIOUS CODES THAT CONTROL THE DESIGN ARE OUTLINED. THESE, THIS PREVENTS SUBSEQUENT OVERSIGHT EFFORTS NECESSARY TO MONITORING THE DESIGNS WITH CHANGE BASED ON D S D CODES, ET CETERA, BY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT RESIDENTS. IT ALSO ENCOURAGES THE APPLICANT TO PROCEED, ASSUMING THAT THEY NOW HAVE THE GO, THE FINAL GO, AS I SAID, THIS IS OUR SECOND CASE IN RECENT YEARS, BOTH TAKING MUCH OF YOUR TIME AND OUR RESIDENTS EFFORTS TO WORK TIRELESSLY TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE OUR VALUABLE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I WILL JUST ASK YOU TO JOIN ME IN DENYING THIS PROPOSED CASE AS PRESENTED AS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ALSO IN SUPPORTING A U D C PROCESS THAT LEADS TO AN AMENDMENT OR AMENDMENTS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO STREAMLINE THE H D R C PROCESS, TO APPROVE PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROPRIATELY DESIGNED AND BUILDABLE FOR OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. AND LUCY WILSON. MY NAME IS LUCY WILSON. I RESIDE AT ONE 30 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. I WANNA FIRST THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I KNOW THIS IS A DIFFICULT AND PROBABLY NOT ALWAYS PLEASANT JOB. I'VE JUST COMPLETED THE, MY FOURTH YEAR AS A RESIDENT OF RIVER ROAD, SO I DON'T HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF HISTORY WITH ANY OF THIS PROJECT. DURING THOSE FOUR YEARS, I'VE BECOME COMMITTED TO THE IMPORTANCE OF HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO OUR SOCIETY. THEY ARE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES ALONG WITH THE QUALITY OF COMMUNITY LIFE THEY PROVIDE. WHILE WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT SAN ANTONIO REALIZED THE NEED TO PROTECT THEM, I'VE LEARNED THE IMPORTANCE TOO OF NEIGHBORHOOD VIGILANCE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN WHAT EXISTS AND ENSURE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION CONTRIBUTES TO MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC AMBIENCE IN RIVER ROAD. I'VE SEEN BEAUTIFUL SMALL COTTAGES ADDED TO A BARE SPACE OR REBUILT WHEN A HOUSE HAD BURNED DOWN. I'VE SEEN TWO STORY STRUCTURES THAT BLEND WITH OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK, SO WELL, IT'S DIFFICULT TO REALIZE IF THEY'RE NEW OR JUST GOT REPAINTED. UNFORTUNATELY, OTHER RESIDENTS MOVE IN AND RATHER THAN HONORING THE SMALLER LOTS THAT REQUIRE SMALLER STRUCTURES, THEY FOCUS ON FINDING WAYS TO CONSTRUCT BUILDINGS TOO LARGE FOR OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT, THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN I'VE HEARD, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS PROJECT. DEMOLITION OF PARTS OF WHAT WE FEEL ARE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE LOOKED AT FOR A LONG TIME. DEMOLITION OF THE PART OF THAT DISTORTS THE STRUCTURE AS IT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN KNOWN TO NEIGHBORS. AND OF COURSE THE GARAGE IS A CONCERN AND I WON'T ELABORATE ON THAT. IT'S BEEN BEATEN PRETTY WELL, BUT IT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT EXISTS THERE. ALSO, THE SPIRAL STAIRCASE IS NOT CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT WITHIN RIVER ROAD. UH, THE OWNER INDICATED THAT HE WOULD MASK THAT WITH FOLIAGE AND IT WOULDN'T BE NOTICED. THE CURRENT HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY CATCHES YOUR EYE AS YOU DRIVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE ARE ALL HERE AND THAT REFLECTS THE CHARACTER NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. [01:55:01] WE'RE ALL HERE OR CALLING IN TODAY BECAUSE WE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE PROUD OF ITS HISTORY. WE ASK YOU TO HELP US CONTINUE TO PRESERVE THAT. WE CAN ONLY COME AND ASK THE POWER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN IS YOURS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A FEW VOICEMAILS, UM, SOME THAT HAVE VISUAL AIDS. MY NAME IS BILL ALER. I LIVE AT 1 3 4 ARMOR IN THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. I AM CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE 2 0 2 1 DASH OH TWO FOUR AT 2 0 5 OSTRA. AND MY COMMENTS ARE AS FOLLOWS. UH, THIS SUBMISSION CONTAINS WELL OVER 50 SLIDES AND EVEN MORE, UH, ELEVATIONS, BUT IT SEEMS MORE CONFUSING THAN INFORMING IN SPITE OF ALL THIS INFORMATION, THERE IS NO COMPLETE ELEVATION SHOWING THE EXISTING HOUSE RELATIVE TO THE NEW STRUCTURE IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT THE EXISTING HOUSE HAS DONE A MAJOR FOCAL POINT OF THIS ENTIRE EFFORT. IN ADDITION, UH, IT'S NOT CLEAR WITHOUT ANY REAL ACCURATE SURVEY INFORMATION, INCLUDING TREES AND ET CETERA, THAT THIS HOUSE CAN EVEN BE BUILT WITHOUT FURTHER REVIEW OF VARIOUS OTHER REGULATIONS. UH, BOTTOM LINE TO ME, UH, IS THAT IN SPITE OF, OR EVEN BECAUSE OF THE, UH, AMOUNT OF INFORMATION, THERE ARE STILL MANY UNKNOWNS AND I THINK TOO MANY UNKNOWNS FOR THIS TO BE BEFORE THE H D R C, UH, APPLYING FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OF NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FROM DAVID SCHMIDT. THERE'S ALSO AN EXHIBIT THAT I'LL SHOW ON THE SCREEN. MY NAME IS DAVID SCHMIDT. I LIVE AT ONE 50 OTON DRIVE AT THE INTERSECTION OF OTON DUBERRY DLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT. I'M COMMENTING ON CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 0 24 2 0 5 OSTROM DRIVE. I OWN FOUR ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO MY HOME RESIDENCES AT 1 46 AND 1 51 OSTROM AND TWO ORPHAN LOTS LEFT OVER FROM THE CONSTRUCTION OF US 2 81. I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT OSTROM IS A TINY STREET THAT INCLUDES ONLY SIX ADDRESSES, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND OSTROM DEAD ENDS AT US 2 81. CONSEQUENTLY, THE PROPOSED PRO PROJECT WILL HAVE AN ENORMOUS IMPACT ON OUR LITTLE CORNER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BASED ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED THE SIZE AND SETTING AND THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES WILL BE OUT OF PROPORTION TO THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON OUR LITTLE STREET. SPECIFICALLY, THE SETBACKS OF THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE ARE OUT OF CONTEXT WITH THE PATTERN OF ADJACENT BLOCKS IN THE GREATER HISTORIC DISTRICT. AS DEMONSTRATED IN THE EXHIBIT, THE BUILDING SETBACKS FOR THE TWO STORY STRUCTURES SHOWN ARE INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE MORE GENEROUS SETBACK PATTERN PREVALENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PREVAILING SETBACK PATTERN IS MUCH GREATER THAN THE 10 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK SHOWN IN THE APPLICATION. THE PREVAILING FRONT YARD SETBACKS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON OUR STREET OS DRIVE ARE AT LEAST 20 FEET AND OFTEN MORE. ALSO, THE PREVAILING PATTERN OF HOUSE MASSING IS PARALLEL TO THE STREET, NOT AS ZIGZAG MASSING AS PROPOSED IN THE APPLICATION. THERE ARE TWO HISTORIC, TWO STORY STRUCTURES LOCATED ON CORNERS AND RIVER ROAD 1 0 1 ARMOR AND THE APARTMENT BUILDING IN WOODLAWN AND LINDELL. IN BOTH OF THESE EXAMPLES, THE SIDE AND FRONT ELEVATION MASSING ARE PARALLEL TO THE STREET WITH SETBACKS AT THE FRONT YARD OF APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET. THIS PROJECT AS PROPOSED, IS INAPPROPRIATE IN THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON OUR STREET. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE PRESERVATION OF OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. PLEASE CONSIDER THE NUMEROUS PROBLEMS WITH THIS PROJECT AS PROPOSED WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION ON ITS APPROPRIATENESS IN THE CONTEXT OF A BELOVED HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. NEXT WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FROM GEORGE NASH. MY NAME IS GEORGE NASH. I LIVE AT 8 4 2 EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE IN THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M CALLING ABOUT 2 0 5 OSTROM AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 2021 DASH. I'M IN OPPOSITION TO GRANTING OF CERTIFICATE OF, UH, APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS, UH, PROPOSED BUILDING. UM, I APPLAUD THE REMODELING OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THAT'S GOOD. BUT THE SECOND STRUCTURE PROPOSED IS, UH, CROWDING THE LOT, MUCH TOO MUCH. I QUESTION THE LEGITIMACY OF THE SETBACKS BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, AND I'M ASKING ABOUT ANY SORT OF PARKING FOR THE OLD HOUSE, MEANING THE HOUSE TO BE REMODELED. I SEE NO GARAGE AND NO DRIVEWAY PROVIDED. [02:00:01] THANK YOU. I HOPE YOU, UH, DENY, UH, THIS PROJECT IN ITS CURRENT FORM. GOODBYE. NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FROM JOHN HERTZ. THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL SPECIFIC EXHIBIT THAT'LL BE SHOWN WITH THIS. THIS IS JOHN HERTZ 1 25 PLACE. SPEAKING TO CASE 2021 DASH OH TWO FOUR AT 2 0 5 SCRUM. I'M AN ARCHITECT, A BUILDER, FORMER MEMBER OF THE H D R C AND A HOMEOWNER IN THE RIVER ROAD SINCE 1984. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS PROJECT SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL AS THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT BUILDING CODE IN U D C VIOLATIONS. AND TO REMEDY THEM WILL REQUIRE SUBMITTING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROPOSAL. PLEASE REFER TO OUR EXHIBIT OF DRAWINGS. ON PAGE THREE, THERE ARE SHOWN CLEAR VIOLATIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE. THE CODE REQUIRES A FIRE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS OF 10 FEET FOR THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AS WELL. IF THE BUILDINGS ARE LESS THAN SIX FEET APART, THE OPENINGS ARE ALLOWED. THIS MEANS THAT NEITHER THE PROPOSED LAYOUT NOR THE WINDOW DESIGN IS PERMITTED. THIS REQUIRES SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE PROJECT. ON PAGE FOUR, THERE ARE SHOWN CLEAR VIOLATIONS OF THE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH ONLY ALLOWS FOR ONE PRINCIPAL BUILDING PER LOT. THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE LOT ALLOWS FOR A DUPLEX. HOWEVER, THE DUPLEX CAN'T STRADDLE THE LOT LINE. ACCORDING TO THE E D C, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE MAY STRADDLE THE LOT LINE. ANY ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE WILL BE CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY RESIDENCE, WHICH THE U D C EIDS TO 800 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE. THE U D C DEMANDS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROPOSAL. FINALLY, ON PAGE FIVE, THE U D C REQUIRES A FULL DISTANCE OF 20 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE FROM THE GARAGE DOOR. THE GARAGE IS CURRENTLY ONLY 16 FEET BACK ON ONE SIDE, WHICH DOES NOT MEET CODE. IT NEEDS TO MOVE BACK AT LEAST FOUR FEET, RADICALLY ALTERING THE PROJECT. THESE MULTIPLE BUILDING CODE E TO SEE VIOLATIONS SHOW THE PROJECT CAN'T BE BUILT AS DRAWN. WHAT IS NEEDED IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT AND WE URGE THE DENIAL OF THE PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FROM LESLIE VASQUEZ. HI, MY NAME IS LESLIE VASQUEZ. I LIVE AT 7 25 EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. UM, IN RIVER ROAD. I LIVE APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 2 0 5 OSTROM, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 24. UM, I DO OPPOSE THE, UH, THE HOMEOWNER'S PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT. UM, THERE ARE NUMEROUS D D C UH, ZONING VIOLATIONS PRESENT, UM, AROUND KIND OF THE MASSING AND EASEMENT. UM, THE BIGGEST KIND OF CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS I, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FIRE HAZARD. YOU KNOW, THE TWO VERY LARGE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH ARE QUITE CLOSE TO ME, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME PLACES IT LOOKS LIKE LESS THAN 10 FEET APART. SO IF THERE EVER WAS A FIRE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF, OF VERY OLD WOODEN HOUSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOTS OF BIG TREES AND IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO ME. SO THAT'S SUPER CONCERNING. UM, THIS, THIS HOMEOWNER SEEMS TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, MULTI-YEAR HISTORY AS WELL AS WELL OF SUBMITTING, UM, INCOMPLETE PLANS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE, WHERE THE PARKING'S GONNA BE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND OUR STREETS ARE SUPER NARROW. I IF HE'S GONNA PUT MULTIPLE HOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY, TO ME IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS MORE, LOTS OF CARS ON THE STREET AND THAT'S, I, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BAD IDEA IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF ANYONE NEEDS TO CONTACT ME, MY NUMBER IS NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FROM MIMI QUINTANILLA. MY NAME IS MIMI QUINTANILLA. FOR OVER SIX DECADES, I'VE LIVED AT ONE 50 OSTROM. MY HUSBAND AND I OWN THREE HOUSES AND TWO PARTIAL LOTS ON OSTROM. MY COMMENTS ARE IN REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 2 0 4 2 0 5 OSTROM. TO CLARIFY. COMMENTS ATTRIBUTED TO ME IN MR. STAPLETON'S PRESENTATION ARE EDITED OUT OF CONTEXT AND MADE TO APPEAR AS SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT WHEN IN FACT THERE ARE MANY CONCERNS. THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE ALMOST FIVE YEARS AND 17 MEETINGS LATER WITH CLEAR DIRECTION GIVEN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. WHAT IS PROPOSED IS STILL HISTORICALLY INAPPROPRIATE. IT'S NOT UP TO THE STANDARD OF ACCURACY AND DETAIL OF SUCCESSFUL PRO APPLICATIONS. AND IN THE TIME THAT THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN CONSIDERED, AT LEAST 29 PROJECTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND COMPLETED IN RIVER ROAD. THE SURVEY INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED IS INCONSISTENT AS COMPARED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S OWN PREVIOUS O H P SUBMISSIONS TO JUSTIFY THE HEIGHT OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT TOUR IT AT ONE 50 OSTROM IS CITED. IT IS A DESIGN ELEMENT WITH A SMALL MASSING FOOTPRINT, [02:05:01] NOT LIVING SPACE. THE ADDITION AT 2 35 LINDELL IS SET BACK FROM THE STREET AND IT IS NOT A SECOND STORY, A FULL SECOND STORY. THE MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURE AT ONE 12 LINDELL IS NOT CLOSE IN PROXIMITY NOR VISIBLE FROM OSTROM. THERE ARE DESIGN ELEMENTS INCONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND EITHER THEY HAVE NO PRECEDENT OR NOT DOMINANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. INCLUDED ARE TWO CURB CUTS. THERE'S CURRENTLY ONE, A CHAMFORD PORCH AND AN EXTERIOR SPIRAL STAIRCASE WHEN THERE AREN'T ANY IN RIVER ROAD. STILL MISSING SIDEWALK AND DRIVEWAY INFORMATION, COMPLETE ELEVATIONS FROM THE STREET, A MAGNOLIA AVENUE PORCH ELEVATION THAT MATCHES THE PLANS. IT BENEFITS MY FAMILY FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE RENOVATED AND TO ADD VALUE TO OUR INVESTMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS INCLUDES NEW CONSTRUCTION, HOWEVER, THE PROJECTS MUST BE APPROPRIATE AND ABLE TO OBTAIN THE PROPER PERMITS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR SERVICE FOR PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF HISTORIC DISTRICT ASSETS AND APPROVING APPROPRIATE PROJECTS. NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FROM PATRICIA PRT. THERE ARE EXHIBITS FOR THIS VOICEMAIL, PATRICIA PRT, 7 33 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 24 2 0 5 AUSTRIAN. THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT IS CHARACTERIZED BY A VARIETY OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU ENTER VIA EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE, YOU WILL SEE ONE PREDOMINANT STYLE. THE MINIMAL TRADITIONAL. THERE IS NEARLY ONE UNBROKEN LINE OF THIS STYLE OF HOUSE ON EAST MAGNOLIA AND LINDELL STREETS NEAR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY 2 0 5 OSTROM IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THIS STYLE, WHICH THE PROPONENT IS PLANNING TO SELECTIVELY DEMOLISH. THIS WOULD RESULT IN INAPPROPRIATE SYMMETRY AND LOSS OF CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC FABRIC. MOST NOTABLY ARE THE LOSS OF OFFSET GABLE END ELEVATIONS AND ASME ASYMMETRICAL FOOTPRINTS. FURTHER, AS IT STANDS TODAY, THIS HOUSE RETAINED THE MAJORITY OF ITS ORIGINAL 1935. MINIMAL TRADITIONAL FEATURES AND MATERIALS INCLUDING ALL ORIGINAL SIDING, EVE, BOARD, WOOD, WINDOWS, MINIMUM PITCH GABLES AND FRONT PORCH. WHAT'S THE POINT OF BEING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO PRESERVE OUR ASSETS WHEN IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO SO? ADDITIONALLY AND IMPORTANTLY, THE PROJECT AS SUBMITTED IN THE APPLICATION, MOST LIKELY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS THE UPPER LEOR ASSIA ALONG DEBERRY STREET TO THE WEST. A REPORT FROM AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION OF THE IMPACTED AREA HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION. AN INVESTIGATION IS A REQUIREMENT FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED BY STAFF COMMISSIONERS. THE PLAN FOR THIS APPLICATION IS INAPPROPRIATE AND NOT NEARLY READY FOR APPROVAL. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ATTENTION. NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FROM RALEIGH WOOD. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RILEY WOOD. I LIVE AT 1 0 9 GLENDALE PLACE IN THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT. I WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 20 21 0 2 4 2 0 5 OSTROM. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NEW TO THE COMMISSION, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR FOUR YEARS THROUGHOUT WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT HAS MADE NO ATTEMPT TO PRESENT TO PREVENT THE CONTINUING DETERIORATION OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. THAT BEING SAID, ON FEBRUARY 14TH OF THIS YEAR, TWO NEIGHBORS AND I MET WITH THE APPLICANT FOR A ZOOM PRESENTATION. AT THAT TIME HE PRESENTED A PLAN FOR RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING ONE-STORY CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY AUXILIARY STRUCTURE AND CARPORT WITH A ONE ROOM ADDITION. ON TOP. I FELT THE PLAN WAS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER PAST SUBMISSIONS BY THE APPLICANT AND THAT IT RENOVATED THE HIS STAR STRUCTURE AND MAINTAINED IT AS ONE STORY. I ALSO LIKED THE DETACHED CORE PART OF THE ONE ROOM STRUCTURE ON TOP, WHICH I FELT WAS CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SINCE THAT TIME, THE PARENT, THE PROJECT HAS APPARENTLY CHANGED AND IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION INCLUDES THE GARAGE BEING ATTACHED TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND INCLUDING AN EXTERIOR CIRCULAR STAIRCASE. I BELIEVE THIS CHANGE MAKES THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE APPEAR EXCESSIVELY MASSIVE AND INCONSISTENT WITH HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE DETACHED CARPORTS AND GARAGES. I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO RETURN TO HIS INITIAL FEBRUARY 14TH PLAN PRIOR TO FURTHER CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT [02:10:01] IS A VOICEMAIL FROM ROY SCHWEERS. THERE ARE EXHIBITS WITH THIS VOICEMAIL ROYERS CALLING ON CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 0 2 4 2 0 5 . I HAVE CONCERNS WITH APPLICATION REGARDING THE SITE PLAN INFORMATION PRESENTED. THERE IS INCONSISTENT AND SOMETIMES CONFLICTING INFORMATION DISPLAYED, MAKING EVALUATION FOR APPROPRIATENESS DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE. FOR EXAMPLE, AN APPLICATION ON THE APPLICATION. INFORMATION ABOUT SETBACKS IS CLEAR. PROPERTY LINES ARE DRAWN AND OFFSETS. CURRY SHOW PROPOSED STRUCTURE DOES NOT VIOLATE THE SETBACKS. HOWEVER, THE COMMON LOT LINE HAS BEEN REMOVED BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES, SO THAT UNDERSTANDING OF THE U D C USAGE POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS ARE NOT REALIZED. THE REVERSE OCCURS LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION EVALUATION OF LOT FOOTPRINT. THE COMMON LAW LOT LINE IS VISIBLE NOW, BUT THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO EVALUATE THE TOTAL SITE AREA IS NOT PROVIDED. THE PROPERTY LINES, THERE'S A GIVEN TOTAL SITE AREA OF 12,573 SQUARE FEET. THIS APPEARS NOT TO BE THE SITE AREA, BUT ACTUALLY THE BLOCK AREA MEASURED TO THE TRIANGLE SHAPED BLOCK TO THE CURBS. IN A PREVIOUS APPLICATION FOR THIS PROJECT ON AUGUST 1ST, 2018, A SURVEY WAS SUBMITTED WITH ACTUAL SITE AREA CALCULATION OF 80 OR 8,290 SQUARE FEET, AND THE PROPERTY LINES ARE ON THE SURVEY. THESE TWO ASPECTS OF THE SURVEY ARE MISSING IN THE CURRENT APPLICATION CALCULATION CONCERNS, APPLICATION INFORMATION IS INCOMPLETE OR CONFUSING, MAKING EVALUATION FOR APPROVAL NOT POSSIBLE. ALLY, PROTECT THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT BY VOTING NO FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE LAST VOICEMAIL WE HAVE IS A VOICEMAIL FROM SYLVIA GUZMAN. OKAY, THIS IS AND SYLVIA GUZMAN ADDRESSING THE CASE, UH, AT 2 0 5 OSTROM, CASE NUMBER 20 21 0 2 4. WE HAVE NO VISUALS. OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE. MY NAME IS SYLVIA GUZMAN. MY HUSBAND FEMINE AND I RESIDE AT 1 5 3. OSTROM HAVE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 21 YEARS. I LIVED HERE WITH MY PARENTS BEFORE GETTING MARRIED TO MR. STAPLETON. WELL, TOBY, HERE WE GO AGAIN. AFTER FIVE YEARS, YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME FIGHT IN YOUR HANDS. YOUR NEW PROPOSAL STILL WANTS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON YOUR PROPERTY. THE BLUE HOUSE ON MAGNOLIA WAS A SURPRISE TO US. WE QUESTIONED AS TO WHY THAT HOUSE WAS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT. WE CAME TO FIND OUT THAT THE LOCATION IS NOT HISTORIC. AND OF COURSE, THE, THAT WAS VACANT IN YOUR CASE, YOUR PROPOSED PROPOSAL FOR COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF EXISTING HOUSE WAS NOT APPROVED. NOW, YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR PROPOSAL OF THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH GUIDELINES OF H D R C. THE PROPERTY WILL LOOK CROWDED ON ONE SIDE AND THEN OPENED WITH PROPOSED LANDSCAPING. REALLY NOT ATTRACTIVE. YOU MAY THINK THAT THE NEARBY NEIGHBORS HAVE GOTTEN USED TO THE BLUE HOUSE, AND THAT'S WHY YOU MAY THINK IT'S OKAY TO BUILD YOUR HOUSE. LIKEWISE, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE NOT OKAY WITH HAVING A TOOTH STRUCTURE AS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OUR HOUSE. WE FEEL THERE WILL BE A PRIVACY ISSUE. LET ME CLARIFY ONE THING. WE WELCOME YOU AS A NEIGHBOR AND WE DO WANT SOMETHING DONE WITH A PROPERTY SO WE CAN SLEEP AT EASE AT NIGHT AND NOT WORRY ABOUT MAYBE SOMEONE TORCHING THE HOUSE AND HAVING UNDESIRABLE PEOPLE GOING INTO THE PREMISES. WE HAVE HAD TO CALL POLICE ON SEVERAL LOCATIONS IN THE PAST. SO PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR PROPOSAL AND ABIDE BY THE H D R C GUIDELINES SO EVERYONE CAN BE HAPPY AND BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. RESPECTFULLY, RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, FEMINE AND SYLVIA GUZMAN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS ALSO WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THERE ARE LETTERS IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION IN YOUR FOLDERS. THANK YOU. UH, MR. STAPLETON, WOULD YOU COME BACK TO THE PODIUM AND, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE COMMENTS? [02:15:04] UM, YEAH, I, I SUPPOSE WHAT I MIGHT DO IS JUST, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UM, RELATING TO WHAT MIMI SAID, RELATING TO HER COMMENTS WERE MISCONSTRUED ON THE D R C NOTES WITHIN MY, WITHIN MY, UM, SUBMISSION TODAY. THOSE NOTES HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THE D R C IN FEBRUARY. UM, THOSE WERE THE NOTES THAT SHE WAS PRESENT AT AND WAS, UH, AND SAW THE NOTES BEING PRESENTED. THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THAT TIME. UM, HER NOTES AND QUESTIONS THEMSELVES HAVE NOT CHANGED. UM, SO THAT'S INCORRECT. UM, YEAH, I, I, I, I HEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO GET FEEDBACK AT THE LAST MINUTE, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL. UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE WAY TO KINDA MOVE IT FORWARD. UM, WHEN I RECORDED, UM, THE MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT, YOU KNOW, I WAS, I WAS SHOCKED AND I WAS SICKENED, YOU KNOW, BY, YOU KNOW, THE RACIST COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF, UH, OH, ARE THEY GONE OUT OF BARBARA? YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY AND WORKS FOR THE CITY. I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT SHE ATTACKED TWO RACES, YOU KNOW, IN ONE CITY THAT I RECORDED. AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS SITTING THERE THINKING TO MYSELF, WOW, AN HOUR AND 50 MINUTES OF, OF BEING IN THE SAME SPACES AS THESE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE. IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. I WOULD LIKE TO READ OUT, UM, ONE OF THE SUPPORT LETTERS. YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME REALLY GOOD SUPPORT LETTERS IN HERE. UM, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IN LITERALLY ME COMING BACK FROM THE DOCTORS AND BEFORE I WAS COMING TO THIS HEARING, I STOPPED AT THREE HOUSES AND I GOT THREE LETTERS IN 10 MINUTES. I WAS THERE WAITING FOR THE, FOR THIS HISTORIC COMMITTEE THAT GRILLED ME FOR TWO HOURS, ESSENTIALLY, TO ACTUALLY GIVE ME FEEDBACK AND, YOU KNOW, ON MY PHONE, OH, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU FEEDBACK. OH, WE, OH, IT'S COMING OVER ANY MINUTE NOW. OH, IT'S COMING OVER. NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING. JUST WAIT TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HIT ME IN THIS THING. YOU KNOW, IT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN 10 MINUTES I WAS ABLE TO GET THREE SUPPORT LETTERS. IT'S VERY SLANTED AND IT'S VERY SAD WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, YOU, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS, HAS MUD IN THEIR FACE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN MONTHS OF SUPPORT, DOCUMENTED MULTIPLE LETTERS, UM, YOU KNOW, A TEXT MESSAGE AT ONE 30 IN THE MORNING BEFORE MY FIRST HEARING, PULLING THEIR SUPPORT BECAUSE IT WOULD AFFECT THEIR LAWSUIT AT ONE 12 LINDELL. UM, ME NOT WILLING TO PULL MY APPLICATION AND SAYING, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE LUMPING ME INTO THIS. GOT THEIR BACKS COMPLETELY UP. I'VE BEEN REACHING OUT. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO MY BEST. THERE'S JUST A, A MASSIVE POISONOUS ELEMENT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS VERY SAD AND IT'S VERY SAD FOR ME. IT, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE THING TO WATCH YOUR SPOUSE CRY YOURSELF TO SLEEP AFTER THESE APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW? AND, AND IT'S FRUSTRATING. AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH I TRY TO REACH OUT, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, THEY, THEY WON'T HELP IT. IT'S, THEY WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT BE LIKE IT. THEY DO NOT WANT ME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE BEEN SPAT AT, I'VE BEEN TOLD, GO BACK TO IRELAND. I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, ACCUSED MY WIFE. WHERE DID YOU BUY YOUR WIFE FROM? LIKE, THIS IS RACIAL PROFILING AT ITS BEST. AND IT DOESN'T HELP. HERE I AM STILL TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, SITTING THERE FOR TWO HOURS THERE, 82 MINUTES HERE, TRYING TO REALLY PLUG AWAY, TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THE DRAWINGS, THEY'RE SPOT ON. UM, CORY EDWARD ZONING, YOU KNOW, CATHERINE HERNANDEZ, EVERYBODY LIKE HAS GONE THROUGH 'EM. I'VE VOLUNTEERED TO COME DOWN WITH THE CAD FILES. HERE THEY ARE. LET'S MEASURE OFF THE, THE BUILDINGS TOGETHER. WE'RE MEETING ALL THE STUFF. IT'S VERY APPARENT FROM STAFF'S RESPONSE OF APPROVAL THAT I AM MEETING ALL OF THE THINGS I'M MEETING, ALL THE STIPULATIONS. I'M, I'M TOTALLY WILLING TO, TO TAKE ANY OTHER STIPULATIONS HERE TODAY FROM YOU TO, TO KIND OF PUT THIS TO BED AND, AND KIND OF MOVE ON. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. UM, IF WE COULD GO TO PAGE 70 AND, AND MR. CHAIR, I, I WANT [02:20:01] TO JUST, UH, UH, COMMEND THIS, UH, INDIVIDUAL FOR HIS, UH, COMPLETENESS. WE, WE HIT A D R C, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CHAIRMAN. AND, UH, IN THE D R C, WE SPOKE ABOUT, UM, THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF LINE WITH RESPECT TO, UM, HEAT GAIN AND, AND SUBORDINATING THE PITCH BELOW THE OTHER PITCH TO TALK ABOUT HOW IT HAS THAT KIND OF CLASSIC FLOW. AND, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER. UM, THERE ARE SITUATIONS THAT I THINK THEORETICALLY IN CONVERSATION MAKES SENSE, BUT PRACTICALLY THEY PROMOTE THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T DO WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING. SO, LIKE THIS SITUATION, FOR INSTANCE, IS, UH, ALTERNATE. IMAGINE IT'S RAINING VERY HARD. SEE, YOU COULD SEE WHAT'LL, WHAT'LL OCCUR. SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF, OF, OF DECISIONS. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF, UH, UH, CRITERIA THAT INFORM THE DECISIONS WHY WE TURN A ROOF, RIGHT? AND THIS IS A VERY BASIC EXAMPLE OF WHY WE WOULDN'T DO IT, RIGHT? BUT OF COURSE, IN A THREE-DIMENSIONAL MINDSET, AND, AND THAT YOUR IMAGINATION, YOU, YOU PICTURE IT RAINING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS INFORM THE PERSON AT THE DRAFTING TABLE TO MAKE A CHANGE. OKAY? SO I, I FIND HIS PROPOSAL TO BE FUNCTIONAL AND TO SUPPORT THE, THE, THE, THE KIND OF THE COMMON SENSE FLOW OF THE HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO, TO THIS. THAT DOES GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT HOW THE INTERPLAY OF GABLES IS. BUT IT ALSO PRESENTS TO US VERY, UH, APPARENTLY RIGHT, THAT THERE WOULD BE RAIN ISSUES. SO THIS IS NOT A GOOD SOLUTION. UM, SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF WHAT HE'S PROPOSED IN GENERAL. NOW, UH, THAT'S MY ONLY, UM, UM, UM, UH, SUGGESTION. I WOULD, I DO WANNA MAKE A POINT OF ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US WITH RESPECT TO THE DRCS THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT. BECAUSE WHEN WE GO LOOK AT THE AREA, WITHOUT HAVING INFORMATION FROM OTHERS IN THAT COMMUNITY, WE'RE KIND OF REQUIRED TO DRIVE AROUND OR TO LOOK AT THE PLACE AND TO, AND TO HAVE A, A, A SENSIBILITY ABOUT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. AND IN LIGHT OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THOSE MEMBERS OF THE D R C, THAT, THAT DO SPEND THEIR LIVES, UH, IN PRACTICAL ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT? THAT WE'VE, WE, WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION, I THINK AS EVIDENT BY THE, BY THE COMMENTS OF SUPPORT. WHILE IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO HONOR AND RESPECT THE, THE OPINIONS OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WE, I THINK, I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO, UH, I BALANCE OUT THE, THE, UM, THE EXPECTATION, THE CHANGE ALWAYS CHALLENGES, BUT AT, AT THE SAME TIME, UM, THAT WE, UM, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, UH, MOVING THIS APPLICANT IN A DIRECTION THAT, THAT WILL ENABLE HIM TO MOVE ON WITH HIS LIFE TO GET THIS PROJECT COMPLETED. I ALSO HAVE A DEEP RESPECT FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, PEOPLE IN ZONING, PARTICULARLY IN ZONING. IF SOMETHING IS NOT POSSIBLE, IT WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE. AND THAT, THAT RESPONSIBILITY, THAT RESTAURANT ZONING, ZONING NEVER CUTS ANYBODY ANY SLACKS. SO THEY'RE REALLY TIGHT ABOUT, ABOUT, UH, SETBACKS AND ALL THOSE THINGS. AND I HAVE GOOD CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT, UM, IF, IF, IF IT ISN'T, IF IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, IT WON'T BE DONE. UH, THAT BEING SAID, I, I LIKE THE BALANCE OF IT, LIKE WE'VE SAID CONSISTENTLY. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SAY ANYTHING IN OPPOSITION NECESSARILY TO THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, BUT I DO WANT TO BE IN SUPPORT OF THE DRCS THAT I, I ATTENDED AND THAT PARTICIPATED IN, AND I WAS THERE AND I HEARD THOSE COMMENTS. AND WE HAVE SUPPORTED THIS APPLICANT. I THINK HE'S GOT THERE. IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK. AND, UM, IT, IT, IT, I DON'T WHEN TO BITE THE BULLET, BUT I MEAN, IT, IT DEFINITELY IS TIME TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS WITH THIS APPLICANT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. YES, MS. GROOVE. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH, AND, AND I, AND I THINK THE HARD THING HERE IS, UM, COMMISSIONER ALASKA SAID, I MEAN, NEIGHBORHOOD RELATIONSHIPS, WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PUT THAT INTO, UM, A CONSIDERATION HERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT, AND I DO AGREE, LIKE I DID IN AN EARLIER PROJECT THAT I'M GONNA BE CONFIDENT THEN THAT ZONING AND, AND THE, AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THIS IF THERE'S ANY ERRORS. UM, SO ON THE GARAGE, [02:25:01] I AGREE, I THINK THIS OPTION WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING THAT I COULD SUPPORT. UM, BUT I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING ON THE WINDOW. I MEAN, I THINK WE WENT THROUGH IT VERY SLIGHTLY ON THE WINDOW FENESTRATIONS, THAT YOU WERE GONNA MAKE CHANGES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT GOES IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FROM OSTROM AND FROM OSTROM LOOKING RIGHT INTO, 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING A LOT, THE VIEW FROM MAGNOLIA, BUT NOT REALLY THE OTHER VIEW. UH, YEAH, I, SO, UM, SO IT COULD BE, UH, SORRY, FROM THE DEBERRY SIDE OF THE, THE ISLAND OR, WELL, THE, THERE WAS ONE, ONE IS THE STIPULATION THAT SAYS TO ADD FENESTRATIONS CURRENTLY WHERE THERE'S VOIDS. YEAH. SO, BUT I ALSO, THE TOP LEFT LEFT, SORRY. AND THEN THE OTHER STIPULATION IS OF COURSE, THAT THE WINDOW SIZES SHOULD BE TRADITIONAL SIZES AND PROFILES. YEAH. WHICH ARE NOT LIKE THAT PROFILE OF A ONE LIKE SIDEWAYS DIVISION IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NORMALLY LOOK AT AS A TRADITIONAL WINDOW. IT WOULD BE A ONE OF A ONE TRADITIONAL SIZE. I TRUST YOU THAT STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU ON FINDING A SOLUTION FOR THAT, OR MAYBE YOU CAN COME BACK WITH THAT DETAIL. BUT WHEN THIS FENESTRATION RIGHT HERE, RIGHT SIDE EXTERIOR SAYS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NORTH SOUTHWEST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THAT WOULD BE THIS SIDE THAT WOULD BE FACING, IS IT DEBERRY? UH, I, UH, SO THE, THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE. YEAH. WITH THE GREEN CLOUD AROUND IT, THERE'S MISSING A LOT OF FENESTRATIONS ON THE BOTTOM. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE, LIKE, NONE OF THE FENESTRATIONS ARE TELLING ME LIKE ANY CORRELATION. LIKE NORMALLY WHAT WE LOOK AT IS THE TOP WINDOWS SPEAK THE BOTTOM WINDOWS. I KNOW YOU HAVE INTERIOR THINGS THAT WILL AFFECT WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE. YEAH. BUT WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT. WE LOOK AT WHAT IS SPEAKING TO US, LIKE HOW ARE THESE WINDOWS ALIGNED WITH EACH OTHER? SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO SEE, FOR YOU TO COME BACK WITH. THAT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. NOT, UM, I THINK THE REST OF THE STIPULATIONS YOU'RE ACCEPTING, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD JUST WANTED TO SEE MORE, MORE DETAIL, LIKE WE DID WITH THE GARAGE. YEAH. SO I, I THINK AT THE TOP LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE BLUE CLOUDED. UM, THEY WERE THE ADDITION ONES WHERE WE LIKE LITERALLY HAD C TWO AND B ONE. WE ADDED IN THOSE WINDOWS. UM, YEAH. BUT B ONE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SEE TRADITIONALLY, LIKE IN SIZE OR IN FORM OR SHOP. UH, B ONE IS ACTUALLY WHEN YOU SCROLL OVER TO THE EXISTING HOUSE ON OSTROM DRIVE, WHICH IS THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, THE DIMENSIONS ARE, ARE MATCHED. SO IT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE LIKE, HOLD ON. YEAH. NOT THE SQUARE. THE SQUARE WAS OFF. IT WAS OFF. SO WE CHANGED IT OUT AND WE, WE MODIFIED IT TO THE SAME DIMENSION. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT SLIDE, THERE'S A LARGE WINDOW ON THE, ON THE EXISTING HOUSE, AND THEN RIGHT IN THE PANTRY AND IN THE BATHROOM THERE IS A REDUCED SIZE. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE KEPT THE SAME SIZE OF THE SCALING OF BETWEEN THOSE BIG WINDOWS AND THE SMALL WINDOWS. AND WE MARRIED THOSE IN TO KINDA MAKE SURE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS, THEY WERE, THEY WERE MUCH SMALLER. THEY WERE THIS KIND OF, UM, THEY WERE LIKE, UH, YOU WOULD SEE IN A VERY MODERN HOUSE FOR YOUR WALK-IN CLOSET. SO THEN WHAT WE DID WAS WE, WE BLEW THEM UP MUCH BIGGER TO KIND OF MATCH WHAT WE WERE SEEING IN THE COTTAGE. SO WE KINDA SCALED IT UP APPROPRIATELY. SO THEN WE WERE KIND OF LIKE, HOLD ON. THAT IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN DO IT ONE OF A ONE INSTEAD OF A DIVISION IN THE MIDDLE? OH, YEAH, TOTALLY. THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S A STRIKE. SO WE CAN JUST DO IT ONE OVER ONE. I DIDN'T READ, I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS IS BECAUSE THE TOP WINDOW HAD THAT KINDA SPLICE, BUT WE CAN JUST REMOVE THAT, MAKE IT ONE OVER ONE. SO IT'S AN UP AND DOWN SASH WINDOW. THAT'S EASY. AND THEN ON THE LOWER LEVEL, SORRY, THE LOWER PICTURE AND THEN ON THE LOWER LEVEL THERE, UM, YEAH, THAT IS RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE THE KITCHEN IS, LIKE UNDERSTANDING THE, THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE LENGTH OF THIS HOUSE IS, IT'S MUCH SMALLER THAN THE ACTUAL COTTAGE AT THE FRONT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE KITCHEN WALL THERE. BUT LOOK, I'VE NO PROBLEM ADDING IN ANOTHER WINDOW OR TWO RIGHT IN THAT LOCATION AT ALL, WHATEVER YOU WANT. OKAY. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UM, I WOULD ECHO THE COMMENTS MADE BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, THIS PROJECT HAS, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME GETTING HERE. UH, I BELIEVE WORKING WITH, UH, MR. STAPLETON, [02:30:02] UH, WE'VE GOTTEN IT TO A POINT WHERE IT'S MORE APPROPRIATELY SIZED. AND I AGREE THAT IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH, UH, SETBACKS OR, UH, DIMENSIONS BETWEEN BUILDINGS ON THE SAME LOT THAT, UM, ZONING AND UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN THEIR REVIEW OF THE, UH, PERMIT APPLICATION WILL, UH, IDENTIFY ANY NON-COMPLIANT ISSUES. UM, SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UM, CHAIRMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER LOFO? OH, YES, SIR. I HAVE A COMMENT. UH, REGARDING THE TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE PRESERVED. UH, PARTICULARLY THE TREES ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ARE, ARE OF SUBSTANTIAL SIZE. AND IF THE STRUCTURE IS BUILT AS SHOWN, IT WOULD, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY ENCROACH ON THE ROOT PROTECTION ZONE OF THOSE TREES. AND SINCE IT'S A TWO STORY, UH, STRUCTURE, A GREAT DEAL OF THE CANOPY OF THOSE TREES WOULD'VE TO BE REMOVED, LEAVING THEM MISSHAPEN. AND WITH ALL THAT WORK HAVING BEEN DONE, THOSE TREES ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA SURVIVE FOR VERY LONG. THANK YOU. SO JUST, UH, WE'VE BEEN, WE LIVE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. WE'VE ALREADY PLANTED, UM, A COUPLE OF TREES ON THE LOT. WE DO WANNA SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. WE WENT FOR THE PURE BEAM, UM, FOUNDATION THERE TO JUST GIVE US THE TRADITIONAL LIGHT AS WELL AS THAT TO MINIMIZE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THE ACTUAL ROOT DAMAGE. ANYTHING THAT WILL BE DAMAGED NOW, THE, THOSE TREES ARE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. AND I THINK JUST ONLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THE, UM, WE HAD, I, I INFORMED, UH, CORY THAT WE, WE HAD, UM, A REQUEST FROM, UH, D S D UH, CODE VIOLATIONS TO ACTUALLY CHOP OFF ALL OF THE LIMBS, ALL THE WAYS ACROSS ON DEBERRY, LIKE MINIMIZE AND RIP THEM ALL OUT, STOPPING THAT FLOW ACROSS. AND, AND INSTEAD OF JUST GOING AT IT, I WENT STRAIGHT TO CORY AND I SAY, CORY, EVERYBODY'S VERY PROTECTIVE ABOUT THESE TREES. I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH THEM. YOU KNOW, AND I SPOKE TO THE, THE VIOLATION PERSON. THEY SAID, YOU ARE OKAY. WHATEVER DOES GET, UH, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER, I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE SO ADAMANT ABOUT, OR, OR, OR LANDSCAPING PLAN. AND I THINK WE ARE TOO. WE'VE, MY WIFE HAS SPENT HOURS IN THE GARDEN. WE'VE GOT A WHOLE PLANTING SCHEDULE GOING. WE REALLY WANT THIS THING TO BE VERY HIDDEN, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM VIEW. AND, AND WE REALLY WANT THESE TREES, YOU KNOW, AND WE ARE PLANTING EXTRA TREES. AND I THINK ALONE, THE DRIVEWAY AT THE, ON THE OSTROM AND JUST SAVING THAT VERY YOUNG TREE. IT'S ONLY MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS OLD, AND IT'S NOT MEETING HISTORIC YET, BUT WE WERE LIKE, OKAY, LET'S, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WE CAN SAVE. 'CAUSE NEXT DOOR, WE, WE JUST LOST A REALLY BIG TREE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IN RIVER ROAD ON THE CORNER OF MAGNOLIA AND, AND RIVER ROAD. SO WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE DID BRING BACK THE FRONT, ESPECIALLY AWAY FROM THAT ONE TREE. THEY ARE IN REALLY BAD SHAPE, I SEE THAT. BUT WE, WE WILL PROMISE, AND WE'VE ALREADY GRABBED ANOTHER TWO EXTRA TREES TO PLANT, AND WE ARE PART OF THE PLANTING, UH, GROUP IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE WE ACTUALLY GO AND GET THE SPONSOR TREES AND WE HAVE TO SAY EXACTLY WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. AND THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE TREES PLANTED OUT IN THE FRONT. WHATEVER EVER HAPPENS TO THOSE TREES, MORE TREES WILL BE PLANTED. UM, WE ARE, WE REALLY WANT TO SCREEN IT. WE, WE LOVE THE GREEN, WE LOVE THE HIDDEN ASPECT OF IT. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER ZAFIN. UM, I, MR. STAPLETON, I HAVE A COUPLE OF VERY BASIC QUESTIONS, QUICK QUESTIONS. UM, WILL THIS LOT BE REPLANTED? IS IT REPLANTED? ARE, IS THIS CONSIDERED ONE LOT? IT'S CONSIDERED ONE LOT AS I PAY MY TAXES. MM-HMM. , UM, THERE WAS ORIGINALLY TWO LOTS A ACROSS IT. AND THEN BACK IN 2009 OR SO, THERE WAS A, UH, AN, AN AMENDMENT TO THE, THE ZONING OF THE LOT, WHICH IS, UM, [02:35:02] UH, I THINK EDWARD MIGHT BE SCROLLING TO, TO FIND IT. YOU KNOW WHICH PAGE IT'S ON. OH, MAYBE 1000 AND SOMETHING, UH, UM, UH, I THINK IT WAS DOWN TOWARDS, AND NOW THERE, SO, SORRY, SORRY, COMMISSIONER. UM, SO THE, THE LOTS ONE AND TWO, WHICH IS, WHICH ARE, UH, MY LOTS N B THING. AND THEN THIS, UM, ONE, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS 2006, NOT 2009. OKAY. UM, THEY ACTUALLY ZONED IT. AND THEN WHAT WE DID WAS WE WENT STRAIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO UH, UH, CATHERINE HERNANDEZ, AND WE WENT TO, UH, SHEPHERD AND, AND THEY BASICALLY LAID OUT, AND I SAID, HOW MANY BUILDINGS ARE WE MEANT TO DO? SO WHAT WE DID WITH THE, OR THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECT THAT FROM THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, JOHN ARCADE. SO THIS WAS, THIS IS THIS TECHNICALLY TWO LOTS. THAT'S THE UPSHOT. I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY IT WAS TWO LOTS, BUT I, RIGHT NOW IT'S ACTUALLY ONE LOT THAT'S ZONED FOR MULTI-FAMILY DENTS. SO IT, I CAN HAVE TWO BUILDINGS OR A DUPLEX. OKAY. UM, AND I'M GOING THROUGH THE PACKAGE. DO YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT IS BASED ON THE SURVEY, A FULL SITE PLAN WITH THE NEW, YOUR LATEST NEW PROPOSAL, UM, WITH THE FOOTPRINT, DIMENSION AND SETBACKS DIMENSION? DO WE HAVE AN UPDATED SITE PLAN? I'M SORRY. I'VE GOT SO MANY FILES. I, WE, WE HAD, UM, WE HAD ALL OF THAT DIMENSION AND THE SITE PLANS THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE ON THE SCALING WISE OF THE, WITH ALL THE BOUNDARIES AND ALL THAT JUST CAME STRAIGHT OUTTA CAD AND IT WAS DROPPED IN. AND THE ACTUAL DRAWING, IT'S ACTUALLY ONE-TO-ONE ON CAD. SO IT'S LIKE ALL BEEN DROPPED IN THE FLOOR, PLANS HAVE BEEN DROPPED IN EV, EVERYTHING'S EXACT. I, I CAN PROVIDE THAT TO STAFF AS A, AS A STIPULATION TO JUST LAY IT OUT AND, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED TO ZONING. YEAH, I THINK A FULLY, YES, A FULLY DIMENSION ACCURATE SITE PLAN BASED ON THE SURVEY IS ESSENTIAL AT THIS POINT. YEAH, I, WE, WE HAD, UH, WE HAD, UH, SURVEY ALL INCLUDED IN, IN MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS. AND WITH, WITH, WITH ALL OF THE SLIDES AND ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL DATA, I THINK MAYBE WE MAY HAVE DROPPED ONE OF THOSE OUT, BUT I'M, I, IT COULD BE IN HERE. UH, I COULD, LET ME, LET ME SCALE THROUGH. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. SORRY, OTHER COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR? YEAH. COMMISSIONER GIBBS JUST LEAN INTO YOUR MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT. I'M, I'M PRETTY CLOSE HERE. UM, I THINK IT'S JUST AUDIO PROBLEMS TODAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER TODAY? RIGHT NOW? YES. I THINK THEY'RE ADJUSTING THE VOLUME IN THE BACK FOR US. YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, I JUST HAVE, UH, COMMENTS. UM, I, THIS PRESENTATION WAS, UM, VERY INTERESTING AND I APPLAUD THE, UM, THE APPLICANT FOR THE WORK AND THE DETAIL THAT HE PUT INTO THIS. AND I ALSO, UM, APPLAUD MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR THE, THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE IN D R C AND, UM, AND HOW FAR THIS PROJECT HAS, HAS DEFINITELY COME ALONG. BUT I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF CONSISTENT THING THAT I HEARD WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY WANT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THERE. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH THIS, UM, ACTUALLY FITS, UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERISTICS ARE, UM, FOR, FOR RIVER ROAD. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS COMMISSIONERS, UM, WE, WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WHEN THE COMMUNITY SPEAKS, THEY ARE THE ONE THAT HAVE TO LIVE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE. AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR INPUT IS, IS DEFINITELY INTEGRAL TO, TO MAKING SURE THAT, [02:40:01] YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEAUTIFIED, THE, UM, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS MAINTAINED, BUT ALSO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS OUR PROCESS AS WELL BECAUSE, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, EVEN THOUGH WE PROBABLY GO AROUND AND WE LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND SEE HOW THINGS ARE GOING, BUT THEY ARE ACTUALLY THERE. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, MAKE SURE I PUT THOSE COMMENTS ON THE RECORD, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. IF I MAY, YES, MR. AREOLA, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. UM, I, I WANT TO JUST, UH, APPLAUD THE APPLICANT AND COMMEND HIM FOR HIS WHEREWITHAL, UH, EMOTIONALLY, SPIRITUALLY, AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. UM, WHILE I DO ADMIRE AND ACKNOWLEDGE ALSO THE COMMENTARY FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, UH, I THINK I'VE MADE MY POSITION PRETTY CLEAR ON, ON PERSPECTIVES LIKE THIS, THAT I ALSO, UM, VALUE THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE TAXPAYER FOR WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO, UM, TO ENHANCE HIS PROPERTY, THAT SITE, AND ESSENTIALLY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER THEY WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT. UM, SO AGAIN, I'M JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR WHEREWITHAL. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. UM, I THINK YOU DESERVE THE TIME WE'VE GIVEN YOU TODAY TOO, BECAUSE YOU'VE GIVEN US SO MUCH TIME TOO. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES, SIR. UH, THAT A APPROVES WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS MINUS ITEM FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE BE DETACHED FROM THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION AS NOTED IN FINDING P IN, UM, UM, UH, UH, UM, UM, UM, I'M, FOR LOSS OF WORDS, UM, REPLACING ITEM FOUR WITH THE PROPOSED CONNECTED SLOPED ROOF LINE THAT THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED. CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN? EDWARD? UM, MAKING, MAKING NOTE THAT, UH, UH, ITEM SEVEN WILL ENSURE THAT ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED AND THAT THE PROJECT SHALL, SHALL COMPLY. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THIS IS THE ROOF SLOPE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? IT, IT, IT IS THE ELEVATION THAT I'M REFERRING TO, UH, EDWARD. AND, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE ONE GRAPHIC NOTE, PARTICULARLY FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT HERE, THAT THE PROBLEM WITH THE DRAWING IS THAT IT, IT, IT IN THE REAL IMAGE, IF YOU DON'T PUT THE SHADOW LINE, IT, IT CRE IT PRESENTS A, A HARSH TRUTH. THAT IS REALLY NOT TRUE. IT'S KIND OF A BIT OF A LIE. IT'S REALLY SIT MORE FURTHER BACK AND THE SHADOW LINE WILL GIVE YOU THAT. SO, UM, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE, THE MOST FUNCTIONAL, UH, UH, ELEVATION, MR. CHAIR, AND THIS IS THE, THE, UH, ITEM THAT WOULD REPLACE ITEM FOUR. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE, MR. CHAIR? YES. I'LL, UM, I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, IF YOU'D BEEN WILLING TO RECONSIDER THE MOTION, BUT WITH THE ITEM, THE THIRD VERSION GARAGE, THE, UH, THE ALTERNATIVE THAT THE APPLICANT CAME WITH TODAY? 'CAUSE I KIND OF, I, I'M LEANING TOWARDS THAT SHOULD BE THE GARAGE THAT IS PROBABLY, UM, WHICH, WHICH IS THE THIRD SUITABLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. I'M WORKING TO FIND IT. OKAY, HERE WE GO. THE, THE, THE ONE THAT'S AN ALTERNATE, THE ONE DOWN THERE THAT'S AN ALTERNATE THAT FIT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF TUDOR REVIVAL IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SLOPE ROOF IS ACTUALLY ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DESIGN OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE NOR ANYTHING FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS, I I, BEFORE WE GET TO DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ACCEPTED? UH, SO THAT, THE SECOND, SO THAT WOULD BE AN, IF YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION, THEN I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. YES. YES. AND, AND, AND I WOULD, UH, UM, ADVISE GUTTERS WITHOUT A, WITHOUT DEVIATION FROM A GUTTER AT THAT ELEVATION. OKAY. AT THAT LINE. AGREE. COMMISSIONER, ON THAT LITTLE SECTION THAT IS ACTUALLY A, A SLIGHTLY PITCHED ROOF OVER, YEAH, YEAH. CRICKET, YEAH, THAT ISSUE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT ITEM, UH, FOUR UNDER NUMBER THREE. AND, UM, APPROVING THE ALTERNATE ATTACHMENT FOR THE GARAGE. ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, STAFF WORKS WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THE WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE, BUT I TRUST STAFF WILL DO THAT, SO CERTAINLY THAT STIPULATION STAYS THERE. [02:45:01] OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS NAYYY FISHES ABSENT. SINA NAY VELASQUEZ AYE. OLA? AYE. MAZUA? AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? AYE THAT SIR? AYE, UNE, UH, I ARRIVED LATE TO THE MEETING AND MISSED PART OF THE PRESENTATION, SO I WILL ABSTAIN. MOTION PASSES. AYE. SO FOUR TO TWO MOTION PASSES. IT'S ACTUALLY SIX TO TWO OR SIX TO TWO MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONERS. UH, THANK YOU STAFF. OH MY GOD, FIVE YEARS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL, AND, AND SIR, WE'LL KEEP YOUR FAMILY IN, IN OUR PRAYERS AND, UH, WISH YOU WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO COMMISSIONERS, AS A REMINDER, ITEMS 14 AND 15 HAD BEEN POSTPONED. UM, WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM 16 NOW. UM, AND KATIE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THIS APPLICANT HAD TO LEAVE. I DO HAVE COMMENTS THAT SHE LEFT IN THE CHAT THAT I CAN READ WHEN, WHEN NO, NO, THIS ONE'S HERE. IT'S THE EIGHT 17 PALMETTOS, THE ONE THAT'S, OH, THANK YOU. UM, MAN, SORRY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 H D R C CASE 2021 DASH 5 7 7 8 2 6 DAWSON. THE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH SUPPORTS AND DESIGN AS INSTALLED. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS BE RETURNED TO PREVIOUSLY EXISTING CONDITIONS TO FEATURE A SQUARE COLUMN WITH TOP AND BOTTOM TRIM OR A DORIC COLUMN BE INSTALLED TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING DORIC COLUMNS, HALF COLUMNS ON THE FACADE OF THE FRONT PORCH. AND THE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS WITH US, UH, VIRTUALLY MISS, UH, LAUREN MCNAMARA. ACTUALLY, I WAS RIGHT, SHE . SO I HAVE A MESSAGE, UM, THAT SHE LEFT IN THE CHAT. ON THE WEBEX CALL, SHE SAYS I NEED TO RETURN TO WORK. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT HERE. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ IT? YES, PLEASE. I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTOR OR INVESTOR. MY HUSBAND AND I WANTED TO TRY TO MAKE AN OLD HOME AND GIVE IT NEW LIFE. A 26 DAWSON WAS OUR FIRST AND WILL BE OUR ONLY FLIP ATTEMPT. LOOKING AT THE BEAUTIFUL PLANS AND DOCUMENTS BY OTHER CONTRACTORS, INVESTORS. IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT WE WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY OUR CONTRACTOR PARTNER WHO CLAIMED TO HAVE EXPERIENCE. UM, WE LACKED IN WHO CLAIMED TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE LACKED IN DOING RENOVATIONS. SORRY, LET ME SCROLL HERE. WE WERE ONLY, UH, HOLD TO THE HOME FOR THREE MONTHS, THEN SELL THE PROJECT WAS HIT AGAIN AND AGAIN BY COVID PRICE INCREASES AND DISAPPEARING FUNDS. AFTER SIX MONTHS, THE HOME FINALLY WENT ON THE MARKET AND DID NOT SELL. TODAY MY HUSBAND AND I ARE PERSONALLY REFINANCING THE HOME IN ORDER TO HOPEFULLY AVOID LOSING, UH, LOSSES EXCEEDING $40,000, THE ENTIRETY OF OUR SAVINGS, UH, WHEN WE PUT IT DOWN TO PURCHASE THE HOUSE. WHILE I'M VERY HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN THE HOME INTO A MUCH BETTER STATE THAN WE FOUND IT, THE PROJECT ITSELF HAS NO FUNDING TO PUT INTO ANY CHANGES. IN ADDITION, WE DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE FRONT EXTERIOR. WE WORKED WITH EDWARD AND OTHERS TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY UPDATES WERE MADE, WE MADE WERE IN COMPLIANCE. I'M SADDENED TO HEAR THAT WORK DONE BY PREVIOUS OWNERS WAS NOT DONE WITH YOUR HELP AND APPROVAL AND WERE CIRCUMSTANCES DIFFERENT. UM, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE CHANGES TO BRING THIS HOME INTO FURTHER COMPLIANCE. HOWEVER, GIVEN THE PRESENT SITUATION, UH, WE SIMPLY CANNOT. ALL I CAN DO IS APPEAL TO YOUR SENSE OF FAIRNESS. UM, WHILE WORKING CLOSELY WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE OUR WORK WAS GOOD AND MET STANDARDS, WE ASK THAT WE WOULD NOT FURTHER BE PENALIZED FOR THE DIS DISHONESTY OF PREVIOUS OWNERS. UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO CALL ME OR TEXT ME. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. TAKE IT IN. IN THE INTEREST OF THIS BEING SUCH A SIMPLE, UM, UH, UH, PROBLEM, UH, THERE, THERE, THERE IS NO OPTION OTHER THAN WHAT WAS THERE, OR THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE COLUMN, UM, [02:50:01] UH, REESTABLISHED. SO I, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND IN YOUR DISCUSSION. I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS ABSTAIN. I STEPPED AWAY THIS ABSENT SABINA AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. OLA? AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BUT SIR, AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONERS, I APOLOGIZE. WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON, BUT WE DID HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THAT CASE. THAT PROBABLY FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PLAY THAT NOW. I APOLOGIZE. HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. I'M VALERIE CORTEZ, RESIDING AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET ON BEHALF OF THE DIGNA WITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS. I'M HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 16 FOR ADDRESS 8 26. DAWSON, WE AGREE WITH O HP'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THE COLUMNS SHOULD BE FOUR BY FOUR SQUARE COLUMNS WITH TRIM WORK ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM, OR PREFERABLY DORK COLUMNS TO MATCH WHAT THERE WAS ORIGINALLY AS CAN BE SEEN ON THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE. WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE BANISTER AND SPINDLES BE RECREATED TO MATCH WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY. THANK YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOU ACCEPTING OUR COMMENTS. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF A REAL QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE DORK COLUMN. JUST, JUST SIMPLE QUESTION, IT, WHEN, WHEN REPLACING WITH A DORK COLUMN, DO Y'ALL REQUIRE AN EMPHASIS IN THE COLUMN OR JUST THAT IT HAS A DORK CAPITAL AND A DORK BASE? WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING HERE, I GUESS KATIE, IS IT GONE? LIKE THERE'S, YEAH, IT'S A EMBEDDED COLUMN, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT. SO WE'RE SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE TO THAT ONE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THAT. UH, ARE YOU WE'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THAT WAS A PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE? I MEAN, HOW CAN WE GO BACK THAT FAR AND KIND OF SEE THAT WE ARE, IT'S A PRETTY COMMON, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO ON THIS PORCH THAT YOU CAN SEE. IT'S PRETTY COMMON THAT WE SEE THAT, THAT EMBEDDED COLUMN THAT USUALLY MATCHES WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE. OKAY, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 17 ACTUALLY. SO THE, THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 17, UM, ALSO HAD TO HOP OFF REALLY QUICK. SO WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TOWARDS THE END IF THAT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, ITEM 18 WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. SO ITEM 19, ITEM NUMBER 19, H D R C CASE 2021 DASH 6 0 5 8 2 8 NEVADA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE ALL OF ALL OF THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS, EIGHT WINDOWS IN TOTAL WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS AT THE SOUTHEAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS. THE WINDOW OPENINGS AND FENESTRATIONS WILL NOT BE ALTERED. TWO, AMEND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED EDITION AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE BY INSTALLING THREE NEW WOOD WINDOWS AT THE NORTH ELEVATION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, REPLACEMENT OF THE WOOD WINDOWS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE WOOD WINDOWS BE REPAIRED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT REUSED THE TWO PREVIOUSLY EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION THAT ARE TO BE ENCLOSED BY. THE ADDITION IS RECOMMENDED BY THE GUIDELINES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ADDITIONAL THIRD WINDOW UNDER THE STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED NEW WINDOW IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND IS SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW BY STAFF PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. UH, THE APPLICANT IS, IS HERE ATTENDING IN PERSON. GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. OH, THIS IS SHORT [02:55:01] . GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS, UH, ANTHONY CHEN. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY IF I STAND UP STRAIGHT? UM, PERFECT. UH, SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR, FOR THE DILIGENCE THAT YOU GUYS PUT IN TO PRESERVING THE HISTORIC POLICE. SIR, YOU MIGHT NEED TO LEAN IN JUST A HAIR SO THAT THE FOLKS ON THE ON THE HALL CAN HEAR YOU AS WELL. HERE WE GO. SO, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR, UH, FOR BEING HERE AND FOR, UH, THE DILIGENCE THAT YOU GUYS PUT INTO, UH, MAINTAINING OUR HISTORICAL STRUCTURES HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UH, I WANT TO, UH, FIRST, UM, YOU KNOW, ALSO THANK KATIE AND, UM, EVERYBODY ELSE FOR BEING SO HELPFUL WITH ME IN, UM, HELPING TO PRESERVE THIS GEM THAT WE HAVE AT 8 2 8 NEVADA. UM, I WANT TO ASSURE ALL OF YOU THAT, UM, PRESERVATION OF THE CHARACTER OF THIS HOME IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO ME. AND SO I'M GONNA START OUT WITH WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING TO ENSURE THAT, UM, I'VE BEEN SPENDING COUNTLESS HOURS SANDING ALL OF THE PAINT PERSONALLY OFF OF THE ORIGINAL SIDING TO REVEAL THE, UH, ORIGINAL WOOD AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL WOOD OF THE HOME. UH, I'M RESTORING, UM, THE ORIGINAL MOLDINGS OF THE HOME AND USING THEM AS ACCENT PIECES AT THE HO HOUSE. UM, I, I AM, UM, FEATURING, UM, ORIGINAL TRYING, TRYING TO FEATURE ORIGINAL IN INTERIOR DOORS AS ACTS AND PIECES WITHIN THE HOUSE, UM, AND TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS THE ORIGINAL MOLDINGS AS POSSIBLE. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, I, AND AND I HAD A, A CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, UH, FOLLOWING THE VISIT TO, UH, 2 8 2 8 NEVADA. UM, AND THE CONCERN OF STAFF I UNDERSTAND IS PRESERVING MATERIAL THAT HAS STOOD FOR HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS. SO, UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGH THE WINDOWS ARE IN SUCH POOR CONDITION THAT THEY ALL HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REFABRICATED. UH, FIRST OFF, UM, THE WINDOW FRAMES ARE ROTTEN AND BROKEN TO A POINT WHERE MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL IS GONNA NEED TO BE DISCARDED. TWO, THE WINDOW FRAMES ARE FABRICATED AND PROPERLY AND WILL NOT SUPPORT THE NECESSARY WINDOW FRAMING, HEADERS, KING STUDS, ET CETERA. THEREFORE, THESE FRAMES WILL NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REFABRICATED AT BOTH GREAT EXPENSE AND LENGTH OF TIME. UH, THE SASHES OF THE WINDOWS ARE ROTTEN TO A POINT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE REFABRICATED. IN ADDITION, THEY ARE UNEVEN IN PARTS AND ARE BAILEY ABLE TO HALT GLASS THE UNSTABLE GLASSES OF ENORMOUS CONCERN. SAFETY IS MY PRIORITY, AND I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE WINDOWS WILL BE SAFE FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. I'VE CHECKED MULTIPLE LOCAL HARDWARE STORES THAT SELL REFURBISHED WINDOWS, APPROPRIATE FOR A HISTORICAL BUILDING. THERE IS NO STOCK AVAILABLE IN THE SIZE THAT I NEED TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT FENESTRATION SIZES. ADDITIONALLY, THE MAJORITY OF THESE WINDOWS ARE IN POOR CONDITIONS THEMSELVES, AND THEY POSE FURTHER SAFETY CON UH, CONCERNS. UM, AGAIN, I'VE GONE OVER WHAT, UM, I'VE BEEN DOING TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE. I'M NOT GOING OFF ON A WHIM TO JUST SAY, HEY, LET'S THROW A HUNDRED YEAR OLD WINDOWS IN THE TRASH. UM, I'M REALLY WORKING MY HARDEST TO, UH, PRESERVE THIS BUILDING, UH, AND REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OF THIS MATTER. UH, LASTLY, I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'VE EVEN TAKEN IT A STEP FURTHER. I'VE TAKEN, PRESENTED THESE WINDOWS TO A LOCAL CARPENTER WHO DID ALSO SECOND, THAT ALL OF THESE WINDOWS ARE GONNA NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REFABRICATED. UM, THE SASHES THEMSELF NEED TO BE FABRICATED OUT OF WHITE PINE WITHOUT ANY KNOTS. WITH KNOTS. THE SASHES CAN BREAK, UM, OVER TIME. AND SO, UM, UH, UNFORTUNATELY WHITE PINE IS ALMOST INACCESSIBLE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY KNOTS. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION TO THIS IN, UM, PRESERVING THE HOME AND ALSO MAKING IT SAFE FOR A FAMILY WITH CHILDREN. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THERE IS ONE LETTER, UM, RECORDED FOR THIS CASE. UM, IT'S AN ITEMIZED LIST, UH, IN RESPONSE TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES, MA'AM. SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR DILEMMA. I JUST, I FEEL LIKE, AND I THOUGHT OF THIS ALREADY EARLIER TODAY WHEN I WAS WATCHING THIS, UH, LOOKING AT THIS APPLICATION, UM, WHOLESALE, WHICH MEANS LIKE REPLACING ALL WINDOWS IS VERY HARD FOR ME TO KIND OF SUPPORT. SO SOMETIMES WHAT WE DO IS LIKE A SITE VISIT BECAUSE I MEAN, IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE, WINDOWS ARE IMPORTANT TO ME. AND, AND A LOT OF THESE PARTS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T GET THE PINE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET IT FROM A LOT OF PLACES IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, PICK A WINDOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT SIZE, BUT THEN YOU CAN STILL USE THE WOOD FROM THAT WINDOW AS WELL. AND THERE'S A, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE THREE CASES BACK THAT ARE ACTUALLY GONNA REUSE WINDOWS OR LIKE SALVAGE THEM FOR REUSE FOR OTHER PROPERTIES. SO THAT COMES TO US ALL THE TIME. AND, UH, STAFF [03:00:01] WILL HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATION ON A PICKER'S PARADISE. YOU'LL SEE THAT, YOU'LL FIND ANY WINDOW OR ANY WOOD, UM, BUT A SITE VISIT, THAT WAY YOU CAN REALLY SHOW US WHICH WINDOWS. AND MAYBE WHAT WE COULD ENTERTAIN IS KIND OF LIKE LOOKING AT ONE BY ONE WINDOW AND SEEING WHICH ONES SHOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT REPLACED OR WHICH ONES MAYBE WE CAN PUT A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT INTO RESTORING AND KEEPING AS MUCH ORIGINAL PARTS. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO LOOK LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN TO, UH, I'M OPEN TO DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO RESTORE THE, UM, TO RESTORE THE PROPERTY TO ITS FORMER GLORY. BUT AGAIN, I'VE GONE TO PLACES LIKE PICKER'S PARADISE HAVE GONE TO A LOT OF THESE SALVAGE YARDS AND A LOT OF THE WINDOWS, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, THEMSELF, EVEN THE PARTS LIKE THAT I NEED ARE IN SUCH POOR CONDITION RIGHT NOW THAT I JUST DON'T REALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE THINKING THAT A KID CAN BE USING THIS AND NOT HURT THEMSELF. I DON'T WANT THAT ON MY CONSCIENCE. WELL, I I'M STILL GONNA, UH, NO, AND, AND AGAIN, LIKE, SAY THAT A SITE VISIT NO, AND I AGREE. BE SOMETHING I WOULD BE LIKE, YEAH. A SITE VISIT IS, I I'M, I'M TOTALLY OPEN TO DOING A SITE VISIT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, HANNAH HAD ALREADY COME OUT TO THE SITE AND, AND, UM, VISITED. BUT I MEAN, I GUESS IF ANY ONE OF YOU WANT TO COME AND PERSONALLY SEE, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE, THIS WAY YOU CAN SEE WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO, UM, RESTORE WHAT'S ACTUALLY SALVAGEABLE. UM, BUT ALSO TO HAVE SOME, UH, CONSIDERATION TOO IN MAKING SURE THAT WE, UM, RESTORE, UH, THE, THE WINDOWS THAT I'M ALSO PROPOSING TOO ARE GONNA A ABSOLUTELY PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF THE HOME AS WELL AND ALSO BE SAFE. SO, LIKE I SAID, I JUST HOPE THAT YOU GUYS CAN ENTERTAIN SOME, UM, UM, UNDERSTANDING ON MY POINT OF VIEW THAT I'M JUST TRYING TO ALSO MAKE THIS A SAFE PLACE FOR A FAMILY. CERTAINLY. YES. AND, UH, I APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS IN RESTORING THE HOUSE AND, UM, I THINK I COULD SUPPORT HAVING A, UH, A SITE VISIT WITH, UH, SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS. SURE. I JUST ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION WILL NOT TAKE ANY, I GUESS SHOULD WE TAKE ACTION ON ITEM TWO OR SHOULD WE WAIT TILL IT COMES BACK? WE COULD WAIT TILL IT COMES BACK. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WINDOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS VINYL OF MATERIAL, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, BUT I THINK STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THE MATERIAL. I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT PROPO. THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMPLETELY FABRICATED OF WOOD THERE, THERE'S NO VINYL IN THESE, IN THE ADDITION, IN, IN THE ADDITION. NOTHING IS, NOTHING IS VINYL. OKAY. IT WAS ON, ON THE, I THINK I SAW IT ON THE DRAWING RIGHT THERE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF NOT JUST, UH, LIKE I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF YOU WENT WITH FABRICATED WINDOWS, THE DESIGN IMPACT WOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE OR MINIMAL. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL FROM THE STREET THAT THEY'RE MODERN WINDOWS IN, RIGHT? CORRECT. YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TELL. YOU COULD GO INTO DIG NOW HILL. YOU COULD GO INTO KING WILLIAM AND I SEE THESE KIND OF WINDOWS ALL THE TIME. AND YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, HEY, THESE ARE NOT THESE, THESE ARE NOT LIKE CHEAP HOME DEPOT WINDOWS THAT SOMEBODY'S PUTTING IN THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, GONNA COMPLETELY DESTROY THE FACADE OF THE HOME. THANK YOU. I'LL MOVE TO, UH, A SITE VISIT. D R C SITE VISIT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ANY DIS ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE WISHES ABSENT. S AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. OLA? AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES, THAT SIR. AYE FU AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU MR. CHEN. UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT, UH, SITE VISIT PROBABLY NEXT WEEK. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN YOU'LL BE BACK ON THE, UH, NEXT AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS WHEN THE 15TH, THE 15TH OF DECEMBER? YES. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. BEFORE YOUR DAY. COMMISSIONER, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE THAT TRAINING NEXT WEEK. UM, AND SO WE ARE LIMITED TO ONE DAY FOR D R C UNLESS WE ET THE SCHEDULE AND THAT AGENDA'S PRETTY FULL. AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO MAKE IT WORK, BUT JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING UP AGAINST THAT. WHATEVER YOU CAN DO. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 19, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 6 0 2 6 1 4 [03:05:02] CEDAR STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PERFORM FOUNDATION REPAIRS TO INCLUDE LEVELING OF THE HOUSE AND REMOVAL OF THE CHIMNEY ON THE NORTHWEST FACADE. THE REMOVED CHIMNEY WILL BE REPAIRED WITH IN-KIND SIDING TO MATCH THE EXISTING SIDING OF THE HOUSE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE CHIMNEY BASED ON FINDING B AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE FOUNDATION, MAINTAINING THE CHIMNEY IN PLACE. UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, JAMES IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY TODAY. I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT, MR. FINLEY. UM, IF YOU CAN UNMUTE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU NOW. YES, THANK YOU. AND THANKS TO THE STAFF AND, AND THE COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORTS ON THIS. I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. I WANTED TO SPEAK JUST BRIEFLY, NOT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH MORE OF YOUR TIME, JUST TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE CHIMNEY, WE DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S HISTORIC. THE FOUNDATION COMPANY WHO WE'VE HIRED, ESTIMATED THAT IT'S ABOUT 20 YEARS OLD. AND ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION, I FORGOT TO INCLUDE THIS IN THE MATERIALS THAT I SUBMITTED. EXCUSE ME, MR. FINLEY, CAN YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO YOUR MICROPHONE? SURE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. THE CHIMNEY, WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH IT TWO YEARS AGO. IT WAS FALLING INTO THE HOUSE AND A GAP WAS APPEARING, AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE CREATE, UH, BUILD MORE OF A FOUNDATION FOR IT, WHICH I FORGOT TO INCLUDE IN MY, IN MY APPLICATION. WHAT I WANNA MENTION SPECIFICALLY IS THE FOLKS WHO WORKED ON THE CHIMNEY TWO YEARS AGO SAID THAT THE BRICKS WERE JUST SITTING ON THE DIRT, THAT THERE WAS NO FOUNDATION FOR THE CHIMNEY. AND SO I'M NOT AT ALL EXPERIENCED IN HISTORIC HOUSES, BUT I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT, UH, CHIMNEY THAT HAD NO SUPPORT AT ALL HAD BEEN AROUND FOR THE A HUNDRED YEARS THAT, THAT THIS HOUSE IS. SO, IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE, THE FOUNDATION COMPANY ARE SAYING, THEY SAY IT'S ABOUT 20 YEARS OLD. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. AND SO THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO THAT. WE TRY TO PUT A BETTER FOUNDATION UNDER THE CHIMNEY AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL RECOMMEND. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT. WE DID THAT TWO YEARS AGO AND WE'RE STILL HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE CHIMNEY MESSING UP THE, THE LEVELING OF THE HOUSE. AND IN THIS CASE, THE PARTICULAR PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, LEAKS FROM, FROM RAIN, WE HAD THE ROOF PATCHED, BUT THE THE LEAKING IS, IS CONTINUING. AND MY FEAR IS THAT IF THIS CHIMNEY STAYS, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE BOTH FOUNDATION AND PROBLEMS AND LEAKS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES. SO I MIGHT UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO TEAR DOWN THE CHIMNEY AND THEN REBUILT IT AS IT WAS, UH, WITH THE FOUNDATION, UH, AS ANY ADDITION? NO, THANKS. WE'D, WE'D LIKE TO JUST GET RID OF THE CHIMNEY ENTIRELY AND JUST PUT IN THIS THE SAME SORT OF SIDING THAT EXISTS NOW. BECAUSE WHEN WE HAD THE PROBLEM TWO YEARS AGO, WE TOOK OUT THE INSIDE OF THE CHIMNEY. IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WERE USING ANYWAY, AND WE THOUGHT THAT IF WE TOOK OUT THE INSIDE OF THE CHIMNEY, THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, A SUFFICIENT ALLEVIATION OF WEIGHT IN ADDITION TO THE ADDED WORK THAT WE DID WITH THE, WITH THE NEW FOUNDATION UNDER THE CHIMNEY. BUT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, AS WE'VE SEEN IT COMING APART FROM THE WALL AGAIN AND THE LEAK, THAT WASN'T SUFFICIENT TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A FUNCTIONAL CHIMNEY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IT'S COSMETIC AT THIS POINT. AND AGAIN, IF THE, IF THE STAFF AND COUNCIL RECOMMEND THAT WE DO MORE WORK TO THE FOUNDATION, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GONNA FO FOLLOW THAT OF COURSE. BUT WE'VE ALREADY DONE WORK ON IT AND IT STILL IS, IS A PROBLEM. SO WE WANNA JUST GET RID OF IT AND JUST HAVE IT BE A, A JUST A WALL AND A, AND A ROOF WITHOUT A CHIMNEY. AND ANY FLASHING, WELL, I BELIEVE STAFF HAS THIS ONE CORRECT CHIMNEYS AS WELL AS WINDOWS AND, UH, PORCHES AND COLUMNS AND, AND EXTERIOR DETAILING ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF HOMES AND, UM, LOOKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MOST OF THE HOUSES DO HAVE, UH, CHIMNEYS. UH, THEY MAY [03:10:01] OR MAY NOT BE EXTERIOR TO THE HOUSE LIKE YOURS IS, BUT, UH, I THINK THERE'S A VARIETY OF OF THOSE. AND, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE, UH, FOUNDATION BE REWORKED TO SUPPORT THE STRUCTURE. UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND I WOULD LIKE, UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I, I'D JUST LIKE TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION. UH, IF IT FALLS IN THE HOUSE, WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, I'LL ONLY SAY BECAUSE IT APPEARS THAT IT'S BEEN UNDERMINED BY OTHER ACTIVITY, RIGHT? UM, YES, SIR. I, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS TO, UH, TO AVOID FURTHER DAMAGE, UM, AS PART OF THE FOUNDATION REPAIR. RIGHT, RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, BUT I MEAN, IF IT FALLS INTO THE HOUSE THOUGH, LIKE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT THEY'D HAVE TO SAVE, RIGHT? WHICH CASE IT COULD TAKE. MAYBE IT TAKES 'EM SIX MONTHS TO SAVE, RIGHT? IF IT FALLS IN THE HOUSE, WHAT HAPPENS? I MEAN, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE LIABILITY ISSUE? THERE WAS A CHIMNEY THAT FELL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT REALLY DIDN'T FALL ON THE HOUSE, IT JUST FELL DOWN. AND WE HAD, THEY REBUILT IT, WE HAD THEM TO REBUILD IT. SO I, I THINK IF WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER'S LETTER THAT STATED SOME SORT OF IMMEDIATE THREAT, THEN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR KIND OF EMERGENCY, UH, STABILIZATION OR EVEN REMOVAL. BUT TO ME, WHAT IS BEING, UH, REQUIRED BY THIS COMMISSION IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT CAN'T BE TOUCHED. IT MEANS THAT IT MAY HAVE TO BE RECONSTRUCTED, IT MAY HAVE TO BE STABILIZED WITH THE NEW FOUNDATION. AND SO WE'LL LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT AS HE CONTINUES TO WORK WITH PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE QUALIFIED. UM, AND WE WILL REVIEW THAT AS WE TRY TO UPHOLD THE, WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMISSION IS. I APPRECIATE THAT, COREY. THANK YOU. UM, TO, TO ADD TO THAT REALLY QUICKLY, UH, PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN AT THE MOMENT IS, UH, UH, THE INSPECTION DETAILS, UH, PERFORMED ON NOVEMBER 4TH. MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY? UH, YES, SIR. UM, I GUESS, YEAH, THAT'S THAT SEEING THAT, THAT DOCUMENT, THAT'S WHERE MY POINT OF CONCERN COMES FROM IS, IS WHAT POINT OF HISTORY ARE, ARE WE IN FACT CHOOSING, UM, IS THIS CHIMNEY'S APPROXIMATELY 20 YEARS OLD AND MAYBE IT'S REPLACING SOMETHING BEFORE THAT WAS THERE? I I JUST, FOR ME, THIS, I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CON I I, THIS ONE'S A DIFFICULT ONE FOR ME. BASICALLY IS I, I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS ISSUE, THIS THIS PARTICULAR CASE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UM, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. VICIOUS ABSENT SUBPOENA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY. OLA. UM, NAY MAA AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES NAY. PAT, SIR. AYE LA AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 95 3 20 CEDAR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE TWO FRONT DOORS AND INSTALL WOOD WINDOWS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D. IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION MODIFICATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGES THE EXISTING ENTRY DOORS AND STORES THE DOORS ON PROPERTY FOR FUTURE USE. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD WINDOWS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. AND THE APPLICANT, CHRIS COKER IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. HEY, GOOD EVENING. UM, SO THIS WAS, UM, AND STAFF MADE ME AWARE THIS ORIGINALLY A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, RESIDENCE. SO, UH, SOME POINT IT WAS TURNED INTO A QUAD AND [03:15:01] UM, ADDITIONAL DOORS WERE ADDED TO THE HOUSE. SO I'VE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE STAFF, UM, DOES NOT RECOMMEND WHAT I'M APPROVING. I WENT OUT YESTERDAY MORNING, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, AND YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE IT GOT A COUPLE PICTURES. ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S, UH, MY ORIGINAL PICTURES, BUT I GOT SOME OTHER ONES IN THERE. UM, IT WOULD ONLY TO ME MAKE SENSE THAT, AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS, OH, THERE YOU GO. I PULLED BACK SOME OF THE TRIM ON THE INTERIOR WHERE YOU HAVE WALLPAPER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OLD TRADITIONAL WALLPAPER YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, WHICH TO ME WOULD INDICATE THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, SOMETHING OTHER THAN A DOOR ORIGINALLY. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOKED AT IT IS AS WELL IS IF IT WAS ORIGINALLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHY WOULD, UH, WHY WOULD THE BUILDER HAVE TWO DOORS DIRECTLY NEXT TO EACH OTHER? I WOULD MAKE, MAKE, MAKE MUCH SENSE. UM, WOULD YOU, UM, GO TO THE NEXT ONE WHERE YOU SHOW, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER POINT THAT I HAVE IS THAT WHY WOULD YOU HAVE KIND OF TWO ELEVATIONS ON THE FRONT DOORS IF THEY WERE BOTH ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE? WOULDN'T YOU HAVE 'EM BOTH EITHER BE ON THE GROUND OR OFF THE GROUND, BUT IT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE TO MAKE BOTH OF THEM, UM, DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER, ESPECIALLY BEING RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER? UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THAT'S JUST SHOWING THE ELEVATION ON THE ONE THAT I THINK WAS ADDED AT SOME POINT. NEXT SLIDE. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE, SO THIS WAS AN ACTUAL WALL ON THE INTERIOR. UM, THIS IS NEWER, NEWER MATERIALS THAT WAS ADDED TO, UM, TO SEPARATE THE SPACES FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS. AND, UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MOLDINGS. UM, THE BASEBOARDS, UH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT WAS, UH, ORIGINAL TO THE ALCOVE. THE ONE KIND OF STRAIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE, UM, IS RIGHT SET NEXT TO THE DOOR. UM, THIS IS THE ONLY SPOT IN THE HOUSE THAT HAS TWO DIFFERENT PIECES OF, OF BASEBOARD LIKE THAT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NOW, UM, THIS WOULD BE KIND OF FROM THE MAIN ENTRANCE OR THE DIRECT, AT LEAST THE MAIN FACING ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE. UM, ANOTHER THING IS THAT THEY'VE, THE FLOORING UNDERNEATH THAT, UH, LITTLE CATWALK THERE GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE WALL WITH THE WINDOWS, EXCUSE ME, MR. KER, I DON'T SEE ANY POINT IN WHICH THEY WOULD, UM, HAVE ORIGINAL FLOORING UNDERNEATH THAT. UH, THEN TO ONLY BUILD A CATWALK ON TOP OF IT, UM, DOESN'T QUITE MAKE MUCH SENSE AND IT, TO ME, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THEY WOULD'VE JUST PUT THAT, THAT DOOR AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE FRONT DOOR IF IT WAS BOTH ORIGINAL BUILT AT THE SAME TIME. EXCUSE ME, MR. COKER, CAN YOU SPEAK? YES, SIR. CLOSER TO YOUR MICROPHONE. OH SHOOT. OKAY. SORRY. UM, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. IF, IF WE HAVE ANYMORE. NO, MR. OKAY. CHRIS, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN, YEAH. OH, YOU SOUND BETTER NOW TOO. YOU, WE HAD A HARD TIME HEARING. OKAY, BUT YOU, YOU'RE GOOD. SORRY, YOU GOT ME NOW? YES. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE SLIDES THERE, EDWARD? THAT IS, UM, THAT'S ALL THE FORMS THAT WERE SUBMITTED ADDITIONALLY, AND THEN I CAN GO BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION MATERIALS. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, JUST LOOKING THERE, I JUST, IT'S ODD. SO, UH, ONE OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS IS KEEPING THE, KEEPING THE DOOR ON SITE. I ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER SPOT FOR THAT DOOR, UM, ALREADY THAT WE WANT TO USE. THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO SPOTS. UM, SECOND STORY, AND I DIDN'T, DIDN'T INCLUDE PICTURES OF THESE, BUT, UH, SECOND STORY LEADING TO THE BACK BALCONY. WE'RE PUTTING ONE, UM, AND THEN ALSO THE ATTICUS HUMONGOUS, IT'S ABOUT 900 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE TURNING THAT ATTIC INTO LIVING SPACE. UM, SO IT'LL BE A THREE STORY, BUT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR DOOR RIGHT HERE IS GOING TO BE THE ENTRANCE TO THAT ATTIC SPACE. SO THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH GONNA BE UTILIZED FOR SURE. UM, BUT YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF, KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH IT. I HAVE, I ACTUALLY HAD TWO OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE RIGHT BEHIND THIS, UM, THAT WERE ON THE DOCKET TODAY AS WELL. WHERE WE WERE, THEY WERE DUPLEXES AND WE, I SUBMITTED TO REMOVE THE DOORS AND THOSE GOT APPROVED. UM, AND I'VE ALSO BEEN APPROVED FOR OTHER ONES, 10 22 NOLAN OVER INDIGNITY, UH, WAS ONE I WAS APPROVED FOR, BUT YOU'VE ALSO DENIED ME ON ONE TOO, 2 0 9 SADIE, WHICH, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY LIKE HOW IT'S IS CONFIGURED NOW, BUT, UM, BUT THIS ONE THOUGH, THIS IS GONNA, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE AN AMAZING HOUSE. UM, A $1.5 MILLION HOUSE. IT JUST LOOKS WONKY WITH A DOOR NEXT TO A DOOR IN THE FRONT. AND I, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOW'S GONNA BE, IF YOU COULD GO BACK, UM, SHOW ME [03:20:01] A FRONT VIEW, IF YOU CAN GET THE WINDOW THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE DOOR THAT I WANNA REMOVE THERE. UM, EH, I GUESS IT'S HARD TO SEE. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE. UM, BUT WE, IT'LL BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THAT WINDOW THERE. I ACTUALLY HAVE A, I HAVE A WINDOW MAKER AND HE WORKS ONLY IN HISTORIC, AND HE CAN DUPLICATE ANY OF THESE WINDOWS. EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE LIKE ON THE UPPER LIGHT OF THE WINDOW THAT HAVE THE, UH, STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN WITH A DIAGONAL, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE FACETS TO IT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY THAT'S CALLED. UM, BUT I CAN GET THESE DUPLICATED EXACTLY WITH THE SAME MATERIALS. AND SO ONE OF THOSE GUYS PREVIOUSLY THAT HAD A CASE ABOUT IT, UM, 8 28, WHATEVER, UH, MAY WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT. THIS GUY DOES. UH, REALLY GOOD, REALLY GOOD WORK. SO ANYWAYS, OPEN TO HEARING YOUR COMMENTS, YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO, I'LL TRY MR. CHAIR. OH, IT'S JUST YOUR MICROPHONE , UM, MR. COKER. IT'S NOT ONE FOR ONE. AND I DO AGREE. THE FIRST THOUGHT WAS ALSO YOU NEED TO TALK TO MR. CHEN. UM, I, I, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE MADE YOUR CASE FOR THE FRONT DOOR THAT, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? TRIANGLE. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CALL IT? THAT FRONT DOOR WINDOW. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I CAN TOTALLY, UM, ACCEPT THAT. UM, THE BACK, THE BACK DOOR, SIDE DOOR, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, I MEAN, IT LOOKS ORIGINAL TO THE HOME, SO I WOULD PREFER TO MAINTAIN THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE A CASE EVIDENCE THAT IT'S NOT ORIGINAL. BUT AS IT LOOKS IN THE DESIGN AND THE HEIGHT OF IT, IT LOOKS ORIGINAL TO THE HOME. COULD THAT BE YOU KEEP CUTTING OUT, COMMISSIONER. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S MY END OR YOUR END. WELL, ANYBODY, I'M NOT HERE. WANNA COMMENT? I'M NOT HEARING YOU. CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU HEAR ME SO FAR? YEAH, LET'S SEE WHAT WE GOT. SO I JUST, I RECOMMEND IT. UM, I WOULD SUPPORT ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS REMOVING THAT FRONT DOOR, ADDITIONAL FRONT DOOR. GOOD SO FAR YOU CAN HEAR ME OKAY. AND THEN, OKAY. YEAH, ON THE BACK DOOR OR SIDE DOOR, TO ME, IT LOOKS ORIGINAL TO THE HOME, SO UNLESS YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT IT'S NOT ORIGINAL, I WOULD SUGGEST MAINTAINING IT. OKAY. YEAH, I, I YOU KEEP CUTTING OUT, BUT I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL PICTURES FOR THAT. MAYBE I'LL SUBMIT 'EM, UM, FOR THE NEXT, FOR THE NEXT MEETING. AND I, I WAS THINKING THAT STAFF REALLY WAS MAINLY CONCERNED WITH THAT FRONT DOOR. UH, SO I DID NOT SUBMIT THOSE, I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO OVERWHELM AND CONFUSE WITH TWO DIFFERENT BACKSIDES OF THE DOOR. SO, UH, I CAN, I CAN RESUBMIT FOR THAT ONE. UH, I'M NOT AS WORRIED ABOUT THE BACK DOOR, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT PREVALENT AND IT'S NOT AT THE FOREFRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO, UM, BUT I WILL RESUBMIT FOR THAT ONE, BUT I, I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE FIRST, UH, OR THE ONE ON THE FRONT OF THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE. MR. CHAIR, I'M READY FOR A MOTION. YES MA'AM. SO MOTION TO APPROVE TO REMOVE ONE EXISTING FRONT DOOR WITH STAFF STIPULATION. SECOND. SORRY. DO I DENY THE SECOND DOOR OR DO WE JUST TABLE IT LIKE THE APPLICANT AS WITHDRAWN THE REQUEST OF THE SECOND DOOR? THAT'S SUFFICIENT. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. THIS IS ABSENT SUBPOENA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. OLA? AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP. AYE. ZER AYE. AND THE IS RECUSED. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. SEE YA ON THE NEXT ONE. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 6 0 9 5 3 1 EAST CARSON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE AND MODIFY THE FRONT PORT, MODIFY THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND TWO, REPLACE THE FRONT PORCH RAILING RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PORCH COLUMN REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVES THE FRONT PORCH COLUMN THAT IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE FRONT PORCH. [03:25:01] ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH RAILING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE RAILINGS AT THE FRONT PORCH ARE FULLY WOOD AND FEATURE BOTH A TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL. THE BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD FEATURE A VERTICAL ORIENTATION AND SHOULD BE INSTALLED APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE STEPS. BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED FROM TWO BY FOUR MEMBERS. THE PROPOSED RAILING SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF MORE THAN THREE FEET. THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT EVIDENCE THAT THE INSTALLED HANDRAILS MEET THE STIPULATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND AS A CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE AND MAY RETURN TO THE H D R C TO REQUEST HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION ONCE THE PROPERTY HAS COME INTO COMPLIANCE. AND THE APPLICANT, HANK KELLER IS HERE IN PERSON ALONG WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THERE WE GO. HELLO, UH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL HELLER, GO BY HANK KELLER, AND I LIVE AT SIX 30 EAST CARSON STREET. I BECOME FRIENDS WITH MR. AND MRS. ACOSTA WHO ARE BEHIND ME. UH, THEY OWN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND I'VE ALSO BECOME FRIENDS WITH JOHN BALINT, WHO IS THE OWNER OF JAY CRAWFORD CONSTRUCTION. HE, UH, DID THE EXTENSIVE REMODEL OF MY HOME AS WELL AS THE WORK ON THE ACOSTAS HOME. I'M HERE REPRESENTING JAY CRAWFORD TO ASK FOR APPROVAL FOR PART OF THE WORK DONE AT 5 31 EAST CARSON STREET. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'M HERE TO HELP THE ACOSTAS. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A C O A WAS OBTAINED FOR NEW SIDING AND NEW WINDOWS, BUT AS THE SCOPE OF WORK INCREASED, A C O A WAS NOT OBTAINED FOR THE NEW WORK, NAMELY THE TWO NEW PORCH COLUMNS AND NEW PORCH RAILING. THE COSTAS WERE NOT INVOLVED WITH THE APPROVAL PROCESS AND WERE UNAWARE THE NECESSARY C O A HAD NOT BEEN OBTAINED, OBTAINED UNTIL THEY APPLIED FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION IN THE FRONT. THE PORCH HAD THREE BRICK PEDESTALS WITH WOOD COLUMNS SUPPORTING THE OVERHEAD BEAM AND TWO BRICK PEDESTALS WITHOUT COLUMNS. SO LOOKING LEFT TO RIGHT, IT WAS A PEDESTAL WITH A COLUMN PEDESTAL, NO COLUMN PEDESTAL WITH A COLUMN, UH, PEDESTAL, NO COLUMN PEDESTAL WITH A COLUMN OF NOTE IS THAT THERE WAS A 15 FOOT SPAN BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND COLUMN AND A 22 FOOT SPAN BETWEEN THE SECOND AND THIRD COLUMN, AND THERE WAS AN APPROXIMATE SIX INCH SAG IN THE BEAM SPANNING THE SECOND AND THIRD COLUMN. TWO WOODEN COLUMNS MATCHING. THE THREE EXISTING COLUMNS WERE ADDED TO THE TWO BARE PEDESTALS. THE PORCH RAILING WAS ALSO REPLACED. UNFORTUNATELY, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, A CAR VEERED OFF THE STREET AND HIT THE ACOSTA'S NEWLY RENOVATED PORCH CAUSING MAJOR DAMAGE. BUT FORTUNATELY, THE NEW SUPPORT COLUMNS MOST LIKELY PREVENTED THE PORCH FROM COLLAPSING. MUCH OF THE WORK WILL NEED TO BE REDONE. HOWEVER, WE ARE HOPING THE H D R C WILL FIND THE COMPLETED WORK APPROPRIATE SO THE ACOSTAS CAN RECEIVE THEIR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION BEGINNING IN 2022. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? NO, WE DON'T. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? UM, JUST BRIEF COMMENT. UM, HANK, WAS IT HANK? YES. UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT. . THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, YES, STAFF. I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 10? SO THEIR INTENT IS TO REBUILD AS THEY HAD DURING THE REMODEL, RIGHT? I MEAN, REBUILD THE COLUMNS AFTER THE CAR CRASHED IN THEIR INTENT IS TO WELL REPAIR THE DAMAGE, WHAT WAS DONE? UM, YES. THE, THE ISSUE NOW REALLY IS THE TWO COLUMNS THAT WERE ADDED WHEN THERE WERE, WHERE THERE WAS NO C O A. AND SO THE STAFF, YOUR CONCERN, I MEAN, AND THE RECOMMENDATION NOT PERSONALLY, UH, IN SLIDE 10, IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS A COLUMN ADDED RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. CORRECT. AND THEN ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, ALSO ADDITIONALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PHOTO HERE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE PICTURE, THAT'S THE OTHER ONE. IT'S THAT, THAT IS RIGHT THERE ON THE YEP. RIGHT THERE. THAT, THAT WAS NOT THERE ORIGINALLY. CORRECT. UM, AND THEN, BUT THERE WAS ONE IN THE BACK AND ONE ON THE CORNER THAT WAS HIT. YES. THERE. WELL, THERE WERE 1, 2, 3, 4 ALREADY EXISTING. THREE IN THE FRONT AND ONE ON THE SIDE. YES. YEAH. SO THEY KIND OF JUST ADDED TO GET, CREATE THAT LIST. BUT THE COLUMNS, THE, THE, THE BRICK COLUMNS WERE THERE. THE BRICK, YES, THE BRICK COLUMNS WERE THERE. I THINK I COULD FEEL COMPELLED TO, TO SUPPORT THAT. NOW STAFF ALSO HAS A CONCERN 'CAUSE OF THE RAILING, CORRECT? BECAUSE [03:30:01] IT'S NOT SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO HEAR FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. WELL, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE CONVINCED WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WAS ORIGINAL, BUT IT WAS AT LEAST MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE STYLE OF HOME. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SAM OR ANYONE WHO CAN ANSWER. DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT MISSING COLUMN, WHAT YEAR THAT WAS TAKEN OUT? SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY COLUMNS WERE TAKEN OUT. THERE WERE BRICK PEDESTALS, KIND OF THERE AS DECORAT DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY'RE ON THE FRONT PORCH. UM, ACTUALLY CAN YOU GO TO THE ONE WHERE THE SIDING IS REMOVED AND YOU CAN SEE THAT TRUSS THAT'S IN THE CABLE? YEAH. I'M ASKING ABOUT THE PEDESTAL LOOK. BRICK PEDESTAL, THAT, THAT DIDN'T HAVE A COLUMN BEFORE. WHEN DID, WHEN WAS THAT WOOD COLUMN TAKEN OUT? SO THE COLUMN YOU SEEN METAL PROBABLY WAS NOT ONE THAT THE PEDESTALS THAT ARE LOWER, LIKE THIS ONE IN THE CENTER OF THE PHOTO, IT'S LOWER THAN THE OTHER TWO. IT PROBABLY DID NOT HAVE A COLUMN. SO IT NEVER HAD ONE. IT PROBABLY NEVER HAD, PROBABLY NEVER HAD A COLUMN ON THE LOW PEDESTALS, WHICH IS TWO AND UH, FOUR ON THIS ELEVATION. THAT IS, IT'S A PRETTY COMMON, UH, VARIATION OF AN ARTS AND CRAFT STYLE. AND THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW THAT THAT ONE DID NOT HAVE A CONTINUOUS COLUMN BECAUSE IT IS LOWER. IT WAS MEANT TO HAVE A POT OR AN URN OR SOMETHING DECORATIVE THERE. UM, I, UM, I'M MORE INCLINED TO, UM, ASK THAT THE GUIDELINES BE ADHERED TO FOR THE FRONT ENTRY, UH, FOR MYSELF, FOR THE FRONT ENTRY TO MAINTAIN THAT ASYMMETRY AND THAT ORIGINAL PIER AND COLUMN CONFIGURATION. I THINK THE ONE THAT IS FARTHER TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, THAT, UM, THAT IS LESS PROMINENT. IT'S LESS PROMINENT IN THE STYLISTIC ELEVATION OF THE ARTS AND CRAFTS, BUT ALSO THE BALLER, UH, THE BAER AND BALLISTERS AND HANDRAIL AND, AND BOTTOM RAIL AS REBUILT REALLY DETRACT FROM THE ESTABLISHED STYLE AS WELL. SO, SO NONE OF THOSE BRICK COLUMNS ARE ACTUALLY LINED UP WITH EACH OTHER. THEY'RE ALL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HEIGHTS. IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT HEIGHTS. THE ONE'S ON THE CORNER AND THEN THE, THE ONE WITH THE ADDRESS ON IT, IT'S FOUR DIFFERENT HEIGHTS ARE ALL THE, THE SAME HEIGHT. AND THEN THE, THOSE TWO INTERMEDIATE PEDESTALS ARE LOWER. AND, AND ONE OF THEM DOES HAVE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT DOES HAVE A, UH, A COLUMN ON IT, RIGHT? THEY ADDED, THEY ADDED THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PHOTO AND THEN THE ONE TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR, UH, FURTHER TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR. IF RACHEL, YOU COULD HIGHLIGHT THE TWO THAT ARE ADDED COLUMNS. MI MR. CHAIR. THERE, THERE ARE TWO, TWO VERY IMPORTANT PHOTOGRAPHS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS SCROLLS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT PAGE, UH, IT'S THE PAGE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE STRUCTURE BEHIND THE LONG SPAN. WELL, THAT, THAT ONE IS THE FIRST, FIRST ONE, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS FURTHER DOWN. UH, UM, UH, IT'S THAT NOT THE NEXT ONE. THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. THOSE TWO PHOTOS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PHOTOS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IF IT'S SAGGING SIX INCHES IN THAT LOCATION, THEN, THEN, THEN THERE'S CLEARLY A SITUATION THAT CAN ONLY BE REMEDI REMEDIED BY SOMEBODY GOING IN THERE AND, AND, AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, INSIDE OF THE GUTS OF IT, RIGHT? FIGURING OUT WHAT WOULD WORK BEST AS A MITIGATING EFFORT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF A SMART THING TO DO ON THIS ONE. ON THE FRONT, ONE ALONG THE LINES, I THINK OF WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SENOS NOTING, UH, UH, SIR, IS THERE A SAG AT THAT LOCATION? IS IT, IS IT FLAT? AND THE, THE, THE, THE CONTRACTOR JUST FIGURED THAT HE'D PUT A COLUMN THERE BECAUSE HE MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T NECESSARY. YEAH. I HONESTLY COULDN'T COULDN'T TELL YOU IF THERE WAS A SAG OR NOT. IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT IT, THAT IT IS SO THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT OUT WITHOUT IT AFFECTING ANYTHING. RIGHT. UM, BUT THE OTHER ONE, I THINK IT MAKES A, IT, IT'S, IT'S MORE HIDDEN. IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, RIGHT? THAT WOOD AFTER A HUNDRED YEARS WILL, IT'LL GIVE, AND I MEAN SHORT OF, UM, LIKE RE RESTRUCTURING THAT AND THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT. BUT, BUT IT, BUT IT WOULD BE, IT, IT WOULDN'T STRIKE ANYBODY AS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE A NICE CONVERSATION FOR SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THERE SHOULD BE A COLUMN THERE. THEN YOU GOT A CONVERSATION PIECE, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE RAILING, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE RAILING THAT'S THERE ORIGINALLY, IT'S NOT ORIGINAL. AND THEN THE RAILING THAT'S THERE [03:35:01] NOW IS NOT CONSISTENT. SO REALLY THE OPTION IS NEITHER ONE IN THAT CASE, IT MAKES A GOOD ARGUMENT TO LEAVE IT THE WAY THAT IT IS AND PURSUE THE RIGHT SOLUTION AS TIME BECOMES AVAILABLE. RIGHT. THAT THE, THAT, THAT AS TIME COMES THAT YOU GO ON GOOGLE AND LOOK FOR A CRAFTSMAN HOUSE AND FIND THE SIMPLE PROBABLY SQUARE, UH, BALLADE. RIGHT? THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE EVEN SIMPLER. RIGHT? UM, BUT PROBABLY ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT FELLOW SAYING IS THAT THE LONG ONE, IT IT, IT SEEMS THAT THEY MIGHT BE NECESSARY FOR SIX INCHES. I THINK THAT THAT'S BAD. BUT THE SHORT SPAN, MR. CHAIR, I, I THINK IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GET RID OF THE SHORT SPAN, IT WOULD, IT WOULD PRESERVE THE, WHICH I SEE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, RIGHT? I I SEE THE SYMMETRY, NOT THE ASYMMETRY. RIGHT. UM, IT WOULD PRESERVE THAT AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME STRAIGHTENING UP OF THE 5 31 COLUMN THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON. BUT IT WOULD BE VERY SIMPLE AND THEY LEAVE THE, THEY LEAVE THE BALLAS STTR THE, THE WAY THAT IT IS WITH THE SPECIAL NOTATION, ADVISING THEM TO SEEK DIRECTION FROM O H P FOR THE PROPER BALLADE TO SUPPORT THEIR TAX, UH, THEIR TAX CREDIT, UM, DESIGNATION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. YES. UM, MR. CHAIR IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, SO WOULD THAT BE, WOULD THAT, UH, HANDRAIL, UM, BE STAFF STIPULATION FOR HANDRAIL? IT, IT, IT WOULD BE REASON. IT, IT, IT WOULD BE THAT THAT STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO STIPULATE WHAT THE, THE, THE WHAT, THE, WHAT THE WHOLE ASSEMBLAGE WOULD BE, BUT WITHOUT A, A, UM, CONSEQUENCE IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL IS NOT, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOWHERE NEAR WHAT WOULD, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERTICAL CLEAN, CLEAN VERTICAL. SURE, SURE. BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST A BOARD AND, AND THESE ARE THERE, I'D HATE TO SAY THAT THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S THAT, THAT THEY HAVE TO TEAR THAT OUT AND QUICKLY RESTORE IT, BUT THAT THEY'RE GIVEN THAT LEEWAY TO GET DIRECTION FROM STAFF AND THAT THEY'RE GUIDED IN THE DIRECTION OF MM-HMM. OF, OF A BALLAST STRAIT. THAT, THAT FITS THE NARRATIVE HERE. I UNDERSTAND. UM, I DO WANNA ADD, UH, A COMMENT ABOUT THAT SHORT SPAN AND LONG SPAN OF THAT ENTRYWAY AND WHY IT IS ASYMMETRICAL. IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER 18, AND I THINK THERE'S A PHOTO SHOWING, UH, THE FRONT ALSO, UH, WHERE THE, THE SIDING HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF. NOTICE THAT YOUR PLATE HEIGHT IS ACTUALLY PRETTY HIGH UP THERE. UM, NOW GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 19. YOUR ACTUAL PLATE LIGHT HEIGHT THAT HOLDS THE ROOF IS PRETTY HIGH UP THERE. AND BY STRIPPING OFF THE SIDING, YOU SEE THE FRAMING IN THERE AND A LITTLE BIT OF LEAD EMBRACING, UM, THAT IS DISTRIBUTING THE LOAD FROM THE ROOF OVER TO THE OTHER COLUMNS. AND SO YOU WONDER HOW IS THIS BEING HELD UP? WELL, THE, THE WOOD ALONG THE INSIDE OF THE BEAM IN THE PORCH, ALONG WITH THE SIDING IS CREATING THIS BOX BEAM, THIS HUGE BOX BEAM. AND THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT WAS TO HOLD THAT ALL UP. SO, UM, UH, SURE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SAG AFTER A A HUNDRED YEARS, MAYBE AN INCH AND A HALF. UM, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY NOT TO THE DEGREE WHERE WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PUT A, A FULL BEAM. AND, UH, SO THERE IS A QUESTION. HOW MUCH WORK IS THAT BEAM REALLY DOING AT THIS POINT? JUST OBSERVATION. I SURE AT THIS POINT IT'S DOING A LOT OF WORK AFTER THE, THE FAR RIGHT ONE COLLAPSED, BUT I, I WOULD COMMENT THAT SURE. IT'S PROBABLY IN THE, IN THE INTEREST OF PRESERVING THE HOUSE ON THE LONG TERM, A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW, THAT YOU PROBABLY WANT THAT COLUMN THERE. THAT'S, AND, AND, YES. AND I WAS ALSO GONNA ASK IF THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER THE KEEPING THE OTHER ONE AS A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE. UM, I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T SAY THERE WAS A S A S A SAG, UH, THE FIRST TIME. BUT WITH THIS, WITH THE STRUCTURE PEELED OFF, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT, LIKE IT WAS A PROBLEM. IT JUST SEEMS THAT THIS ONE, THIS ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN, IF, IF, IF YOUR TESTIMONY IS IT WAS SIX INCHES, THEN I BELIEVE IT WAS SIX INCHES, THE FRONT ONE, I THINK IT WAS JUST SEEN MAYBE AS A GOOD IDEA BY, BY SOMEBODY THAT THOUGHT THAT THE PROPER THING WOULD BE TO CENTER THE DOOR. BUT THE REALITY IS, IT, IT, IT BOXES YOU IN AND IT'S INTENDED TO BE OPEN AND THEY'RE GONNA APPRECIATE IT. UH, IT'S GONNA FEEL RIGHT, IT'S GONNA FEEL BALANCED. UM, IT'S NOT A BAD THING. SO COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I THINK WE'LL AGREE THAT WE ASK THEM TO REMOVE THAT. WHAT WOULD WE APPROVE TO KEEP THE OTHER ONE WITH THE RAILING? I MEAN, WITH STAFF STIPULATION, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE INCURRING THAT HIGH OF A COST STAFF STIPULATIONS. WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE CHANGING THEM. WELL, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THE STAFF [03:40:01] STIPULATION IS BAD FOR THE RAILING. I THINK IT'S GOOD. THE ONLY THING IS THAT THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO ENFORCEABLE OPTIONS. ONE IS TO REMOVE WHAT'S THERE AND THE OTHER IS TO REPLACE IT WITH WHAT WAS THERE. THAT'S NOT CORRECT EITHER. AND IT SEEMS THAT IT IS AN INEXPENSIVE ALTERATION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SUPPORT IT. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY NO, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS, SORRY, IT'S WHAT HISTORICALLY WAS FOUND ON THESE TYPE OF HOMES. AND THAT'S HOW KIND OF WHAT WE, IF YOU'RE GONNA GET A HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION, YOU'RE KIND OF, I MEAN, WE'RE ASKING TO GO BACK TO WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY. AND WE'VE SEEN THAT VERY COMMONLY IN OTHER CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOMES. WELL, WELL WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION ONE? NO, WITHOUT STAFF STIPULATION ONE AND ITEM TWO. WITH, WITH, WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY AS DIRECTED BY, I THINK STEPH NEEDS TO GIVE HIM A BETTER A A MORE, I THINK STAFF CAN HELP THEM WITH HOW TO BUILD IT, BUT I THINK WE CAN KEEP THE STIPULATION AS IS. I THINK ON ITEM ONE WHAT YOU WANNA SAY IS, UH, YEAH, I THINK SO WE APPROVE THE COLUMN PLACE REPLACEMENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WE REMOVE THE FRONT. THE SECOND COLUMN FROM THE LEFT, WELL ONLY REMOVE, WELL AC ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER GROUP I IN READING TWO, IT'S GENERAL ENOUGH. I THINK Y'ALL DID THAT PURPOSELY, RIGHT? YOU LEFT NUMBER TWO, KIND OF GENERAL THAT, THAT I BELIEVE NUMBER TWO IS, HAS BEEN THE STANDARD RAILING DETAIL. AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU EVEN HAVE DRAWINGS THAT Y'ALL CAN PROVIDE. YES. OKAY, WELL THEN, WELL THEN I WOULD MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF. I THINK, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT MAKES SENSE THAT THE LONG SPAN IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. THAT'S MY MOTION. IS THAT CLEAR TO STAFF? I'LL SECOND IT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? NO, I GO AHEAD AND RESTATE THE MOTION, PLEASE. I, I THINK WE DO NEED CLARIFICATION. UH, I, IT'S, IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU SAY LONG, LONG? UH, WELL, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO COLUMNS, RIGHT? AND THE LONG COLUMN'S NOT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU, YOU, YOU'RE ALLOWING IT. RIGHT. AND THE LONG SPAN, THAT ONE BECAUSE OF THE SIX INCH SAG, YOU'RE ALLOWING IT RIGHT? YOU DIDN'T CALL IT OUT. I'M GONNA LEAN ON RACHEL FOR THIS ONE. YEAH, RACHEL GO. STAFF WASN'T AWARE FROM THE MATERIALS SUBMITTED THAT THERE WAS A SECOND COLUMN THAT HAD BEEN INSTALLED THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY THERE. UM, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS FOCUSED ON THAT FRONT COLUMN, UH, AS SEEN IN, UH, IMAGE 10 AND, AND, UM, AS RECOMMENDED RACHEL, IT, IT, I THINK THE MOTION WOULD SUPPORT WHAT Y'ALL ARE RECOMMENDING. WE LEAVE IT AT THAT AND, UH, MAYBE TO ADD AND, UH, TO ALLOW THE RETENTION OF THE LONG SPAN COLUMN. OKAY. IS THAT, I THINK THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH. DIRECTION MADE SENSE TO ME. OKAY. DOES IT SEC, MAY I MAKE ONE COMMENT? YES, SIR. UM, MAIN GOAL HERE IS REALLY ABOUT THEIR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. AND, AND BEFORE YOU VOTE, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW AGAIN THAT THEY WERE NOT PART OF THIS PROCESS. THEY WERE, UM, AGAIN, UNAWARE UNTIL THIS CAME UP. AND MY GOAL TODAY IS, IS MOSTLY ABOUT THAT AND FOR THIS COMING YEAR, IF ANY WAY POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION. SO THAT'S, WELL, THE, THE CASE COMING. WELL, I BELIEVE YOU WANT ME TO READ THE CASE? EXCUSE ME. I BELIEVE IF, UH, THE RAILING IS CHANGED AND THAT ONE COLUMN IS REMOVED, THAT THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THEIR, UH, TAX CERTIFICATION. YES. THE SECOND STANCE. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. AYE. OFFICIALS ABSENT? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. OLA? AYE. MASUKA. AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. ZER. AYE. AND LA PHONE? AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AND WE DO THINK YOU'VE DONE A LOVELY JOB ON YOUR HOME AND, UM, [03:45:02] WE WISH YOU WELL ON, ON THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE, DID WE GET THE APPLICANT BACK FOR NUMBER 17? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE. UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND READ INTO THE RECORD AND THEN IF IT'S AN ACTION TO POSTPONE, WE CAN TAKE ACTION AT THAT TIME. OKAY. WE ALSO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS CASE THAT WE COMPLAIN. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17 H D R C CASE 2021 DASH 5 78 8 17 NORTH PALMETTO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE AN EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD WITH A HORIZONTAL WOOD FENCE AND REPLACE AN EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE IN THE SIDE AND REAR YARD WITH A WOOD PRIVACY FENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCE DESIGNED FEATURE TRADITIONAL VERTICAL WOOD PICKETS OR BLACK BROAD IRON TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE AN UPDATED FENCE DESIGN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RECEIVING A C O A. UM, AND THAT, UH, AND WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL AND THE APPLICANT HAD REACHED OUT TO ME, I THINK HE WAS ABLE TO HOP ON IN THE NEXT LIKE FIVE MINUTES. BUT, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS. LET'S HEAR THE VOICEMAIL. HELLO COMMISSIONERS. I'M VALERIE CORTEZ, RESIDING AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET. ON BEHALF OF THE DIG WITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS, I'M HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 17 FOR ADDRESS 8 1 7 NORTH PALMETTO. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THE HORIZONTAL BOARDS FOR THE FRONT YARD FENCING. THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT IS USING NON H D R C APPROVED HORIZONTAL FENCE EXAMPLES OF OTHER PROPERTIES DOES NOT MAKE THEIR REQUEST ANY MORE RELEVANT. CAN O H P ALSO LOOK AT THE CURRENT WINDOWS? THEY DO NOT LOOK LIKE THEY MEET O P'S GUIDELINES. THANK YOU FOR ACCEPTING OUR COMMENTS. SO SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE THE APPLICANT, COULD I HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS CASE TO THE NEXT HEARING. SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. VICIOUS ABSENT SABINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. OLA? AYE. MASUKA? AYE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP? AYE. ANTE? YES, BUT SIR AYE. AND LA FIRM AYE. MOTION PASSES? YEP. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND . MOTION IS SECOND. EVERYBODY GOT QUIET? I'M LIKE, HOLD ON. , ARE WE DONE? YOU WANNA STAY? ALL IN FAVOR? FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WELL, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING Y'ALL NEXT WEDNESDAY AT OUR TRAINING SESSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.