* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THEN I THINK, [00:00:01] I THINK WE'RE READY IF JEFF, YOU WANNA CALL US TO ORDER? ACTUALLY, LET ME WAIT TO SEE THAT WE'VE GONE LIVE. OKAY, WE'RE LIVE NOW [2:00 P.M. – Work Session – Discussion regarding UDC updates. No action will be taken during the work session. 3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 19TH, 2022. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS PRESIDENT FISH HERE. UH, SAVINA HERE. VELAZQUEZ. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. HE'S ON THE CALL, BUT I THINK HE STEPPED AWAY. OLA IS ABSENT. UH, MASUKA. HERE. CARPENTER HERE. GRO ANTE HERE. THAT SIR HERE. AND LA VELASQUEZ IS BACK NOTED. THANK YOU. SO PRESIDENT I AND WE GET COMMISSIONER LAO HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS TO INFORM YOU THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE. FOR THOSE OF YOU IN NEED OF THESE SERVICES, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO THE INTERPRETERS, UH, LOCATED INSIDE THE CABIN WITH THE RED CURTAINS. YES. YES. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RE RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CER FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING AND RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING IS ALSO BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL PROVIDE SERVICES AS NECESSARY. APPLICANT'S ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE PROVIDING COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR ALL THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS HAVE A LIMIT OF FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. MASTER STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN PERSON, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE THAT ARE PRESENT SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. YES, THANK YOU. WELCOME BACK EVERYBODY. UM, WE DID HAVE AN ITEM OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA TODAY. THAT WAS OUR ANNUAL ELECTION OF OFFICERS. UM, BECAUSE MANY OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE OPTED TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY TODAY, UH, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST JUST TO DELAY THAT ACTION, UH, FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS UNTIL WE CAN ALL ALL BE MORE PRESENT. [Approval of Minutes] UM, WE DO HAVE THE ITEM OF APPROVAL OF MINUTE MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 15TH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 15TH. SUBMITTED. I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. LES ABSENT MS. MR. VELASQUEZ, ARE [00:05:01] YOU ON, ARE YOU ABLE TO, UH, SHOW ? YEAH, I, I JUST DID, UH, I'M HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE BUTTONS ON THIS THING. UM, SO I'M, WHEN NOT ON SCREEN, I'M GONNA TURN OFF. OKAY? OKAY. YEAH, AS LONG AS WE CAN TO VOTE, YOU MUST BE ON SCREEN, RIGHT? I GOT YOU. YEP. THANK YOU. UH, MASUKA. MR. MASUKA, ARE YOU ONLINE WITH US? AYE, CARPENTER? AYE IS ANTE? YES. I SKIPPED AND I SKIPPED. GROUP. GROUP, ARE YOU PRESENT? YES. BE SIR. AYE AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. UM, AND THEN IF WE CAN DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE CASE LIST ON THE SCREEN, WE DO HAVE A FEW UPDATES. UM, ITEM 22, WHICH IS A, UH, PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG FREDERICKSBURG BETWEEN MARY LOUISE AND WEST ROSEWOOD THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF POSTPONEMENTS ON THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA. ITEM 32, 1 0 3 WEST MAGNOLIA AND 36 1 25 WEST GRAMERCY HAVE BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, AT THIS TIME WE WILL GO AHEAD AND HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, THE FIRST, UH, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM ONE. HELLO AND GOOD MORNING TO ALL. MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET, INDIGNITY HILL REGARDING CASE NUMBER 20 22 0 1 6 4 12 20 EAST COMMERCE STREET. I AM IN OPPOSITION OF A FIVE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE BEING BUILT HERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF EAST COMMERCE STREET AND NORTH CHERRY STREET. IT'S TOO BIG WITH FOUR FLOORS OF LIVABLE SPACE AND THE FIFTH FLOOR AND AMENITY FLOOR. I BELIEVE A THREE STORY STRUCTURE WOULD BLEND IN BETTER IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION. SOME CONCERNS I HAVE ARE HOW MANY OF THE 340 UNITS WILL TRULY BE AFFORDABLE TO THE AVERAGE BLUE COLLAR WORKER? HOW MANY UNITS WILL BE 80 D A COMPLIANT AND AFFORDABLE? WILL THERE BE A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT AVAILABLE TO THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT? ONCE ANY STRUCTURE IS BUILT, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE RAILROAD TRACKS WILL NOT BE MOVED TO KEEP YOUR TENANTS HAPPY. THE RAILROAD TRACKS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS, SO YOUR TENANTS NEED TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND PRIOR TO MOVE IN THAT THEY WILL HEAR IT. THEY WILL HEAR IT THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND INTO THE NIGHT. THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC BUILDS UP WHEN THE TRAIN IS PASSING AND THERE IS LOTS OF TRAFFIC WHEN EVERY EVENTS ARE OCCURRING AT NEARBY VENUES LIKE THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE ALAMO DOME AND SUNSET STATION AND ST. PAUL SQUARE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I HAVE ATTACHED EMAILS. I HOPE EACH ONE OF YOU HAS GOTTEN ONE. THANK YOU. YES. AND SO THAT, THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN YOUR LETTER FOLDER. UM, ANY ATTACHMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED. UM, THE NEXT IS ITEM, UH, 10, UM, 2043 WEST SUMMIT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE ON BEHALF OF THE MONTICELLO PARK BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE ARE CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 1 6 1 2. OUR ADDRESS IS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S APPROVALS ONE THROUGH FIVE. UH, THEIR STIPULATIONS OF ONE THROUGH FIVE FOR THIS CASE. WE ARE THANKFUL FOR HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE SEEKING TO IMPROVE THEIR HOME AND WE ASK FOR CONSISTENCY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, ON THIS PROPERTY, A PARTICULAR INTEREST AND OF CONCERN IS STIPULATION NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS WHICH ADDRESSES THE SETBACK BASED ON THE RENDERINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS SEEKING TO PUT THE NEW STRUCTURE DIRECTLY BACK ON THE THREE FOOT SETBACK, WHICH DOES NOT MEET CURRENT CODE TODAY, AND ARE THANKFUL FOR STAFF RECOGNIZING AND INFORMING THE APPLICANT THAT THE PROPERTY WILL NEED TO HAVE A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT VARIANCE TO, UH, RECEIVE THAT THREE FOOT SETBACK AS STANDARD CODE IS FIVE FEET. THANKS SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO PROVIDE COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE TODAY. THANK YOU. ITEM 11, BEAR WITH US. [00:10:17] I DON'T SEE IT EITHER, SO IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LETTER OF SUPPORT IN YOUR PACKETS FOR 10 25 WEST ATCH. OKAY. AND THEN ONE MORE, UH, NOTE IS THAT ITEM 23, UM, WILL NOT BE HEARD ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT'S BEEN MOVED TO INDIVIDUAL AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, UH, TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS. AND SO AFTER [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] HEARING COMMENTS TO, UH, COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, UM, COREY I'D I'D LIKE TO PULL, UM, ITEM ONE. OKAY. WE'LL MAKE A NOTE ON THE SCREEN. COREY, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER SEVEN PLEASE. SO WE'LL PULL ITEM ONE, SEVEN AND 23 WILL BE MOVED TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE BALANCE OF THE AGENDA? A CONSENT AGENDA, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX, EIGHT THROUGH 21 AND ITEM 24 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS GABRIEL VELASQUEZ SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER TWO. YOU WANNA PULL THAT ONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PULLED. YES. I REQUESTED NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER SEVEN. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, PLEASE REVISE MY MOTION TO READ, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS THREE THROUGH SIX, EIGHT THROUGH 21 AND ITEM 24 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND IS REVISED. AS SUCH, WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH A WAS THAT AN AYE? AYE. GOT IT. SAVINO. AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. LES ABSENT MAZUA. AYE. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTES? YES. ZER. AYE. AND LA AYE. MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 5 26 RIVER WALK. 1135 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, THREE 16 CEDAR 1 0 1 SOUTH SANTA ROSA, 1 0 9 NORTH SAN SABA, 3 24 ADAMS 2043 WEST SUMMIT, 10 25 WEST ATCH FOR BOTH DESIGNATION AND HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. 400 EAST ARSENAL, 3 44 WEST ROSEWOOD 3 28 EAST ATCH 2 0 4 WEST GRAMERCY 1 42 EAST ATA 5 0 6 MADISON, 7 25 EAST WOODLAWN, 8 28 NEVADA ONE 17 WEST CRAIG IN 1900 BROADWAY. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS. HI, HEARING WHETHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. OKAY. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] UM, LET'S HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE COME UP. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I'M ASHLEY FAIRMAN, KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN, UH, 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE. UM, I'M HERE TODAY ALSO WITH BRANDON BARONS FROM VACCARO VENTURES, WHO'LL BE THE DEVELOPER ON THE PROJECT. UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. JUST A A A BRIEF OVERVIEW. UM, THIS SITE IS ABOUT FIVE ACRES AS YOU SEE LOCATED ON, UH, EAST COMMERCE AND CHERRY STREET. UM, IT'S A FORMER CATERING BUILDING THAT'S BEEN VACANT AND THEY WANNA REDEVELOP IT FOR APARTMENTS. THE PROPOSAL, UM, AS WAS IN YOUR PACKET IS, UM, ABOUT 342 UNITS, UM, FIVE FLOORS. THE TOP FLOOR IS AN AMENITY LEVEL, SO REALLY FOUR LEVELS OF RESIDENTIAL WITH AMENITIES ON TOP, AND THEN STRUCTURED PARKING, UH, TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SUFFICIENT PARKING PROVIDED PER UNIT. THE UNIT BREAKDOWN IS ABOUT 20% STUDIO, UM, LEMME THINK WHAT YOU SAY, 60% ONE BEDROOM OR SO, AND THEN THE REMAINDER WILL BE TWO BEDROOM. SO, UM, WE ARE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES, WE'RE ZONE D. UH, SO THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT, THAT WE'RE COMPLYING WITH. UM, WE DO HAVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WE'RE AGREEABLE WITH [00:15:01] ALL OF THEIR, UH, STIPULATIONS. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT THE FULL PRESENTATION. WE'RE WHATEVER YOU GUYS PREFER. THAT'S GOOD. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER? OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIR, WITH YOUR PERMISSION? UH, YES SIR. THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I, I, UH, ASKED FOR THE, FOR IT TO BE PULLED OFF CONSENT. UH, I WANTED TO ASK A CO COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, PRIMARILY THE, THE QUESTION RELATED TO, UH, COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF, UM, CLARIFICATIONS IS, IS THE PROJECT RECEIVING, UM, TAX INCENTIVES, UM, WITH RESPECT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, TRUST DOLLARS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR THE QUESTION. SO WE ARE EARLY ON IN DUE DILIGENCE, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE FOR DESIGN REVIEW. MM-HMM. , WE DON'T KNOW YET WHO THE TARGET MARKET WILL BE FOR THIS PROJECT. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT. UM, SO WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE IF IT'S NOT AN ANSWER. OKAY. WELL, I I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MUNICIPAL DIALOGUE THAT'S GOING ON, UH, REVOLVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS, I, I ASKED BECAUSE THEY, UH, I KNOW THAT THAT'S REGULATED BY WHOEVER THE FUNDING MECHANISMS ARE AND IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE SELF-FUNDED, WELL OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO THE, UH, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FOR WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF MARKET RATE THEY WOULD BE GOING FOR. BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. SURE. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UM, THANK YOU. UM, JUST IN RESPONSE ALSO, OR IN COORDINATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, COMMENTS ABOUT THE NOISE SPECIFICALLY. AND I KNOW DURING, DURING OUR D R C WE DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF ITEMS INCLUDING YOUR DEVELOPMENT, ANTICIPATING THE NOISE FROM THE CLUBS, FROM THE ALAMO DOME DOWNTOWN. AND, UM, HAVE YOUR ASSURANCE THAT, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT CONCERN, ESPECIALLY THE TRAINS? BECAUSE THE TRAINS DO STOP THERE FOR A QUITE A LONG TIME. TRAFFIC BACKS UP, SO YOU, UM, THAT IS IN A FULCRUM OF ALL SORTS OF ACTIVITY. YES. UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. UH, AT THIS TIME WE BELIEVE THAT THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT WOULD WANT TO RENT FROM US DOWN THERE WOULD BE GENERALLY OKAY WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE NOISE. ALSO EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA FACE WEST, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA FACE WEST IS GONNA BE A HIGHER S T C RATING, WHETHER IT BE THE GLASS OR WHETHER WE ADD ANOTHER BARRIER BEFORE THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS COME. BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING EXTRA NOISE ON THAT WEST SIDE AND WE ARE READY TO DESIGN PER THAT NOISE. OKAY, THANK YOU. JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ANY OTHER, YEAH, I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON THE NOISE. I THINK, UH, DID YOU GUYS DO A SORT OF STUDY THAT TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S GONNA BE THE CASE? I, I, I USED TO LIVE IN TRACKS NEAR DC AND MM-HMM. , IT, IT DIDN'T REALLY HELP WHEN YOU HAD ONE SIDE MITIGATING THAT SOUND. I MEAN, CAN YOU DO THE ENTIRE BUILDING? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT? CAN WE PIVOT THE ENTIRE BUILDING YEAH. TO MITIGATE THE SOUND FROM THE TRACKS? WE'LL, WE'LL DESIGN AS BEST WE CAN FOR THE SOUND, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE LOT IS UP AGAINST THE TRACKS. WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE SOME SOUND. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO ANTICIPATE THE BEST WE CAN AND BUILD UP MATERIALS THE BEST WE CAN. AND THERE WILL BE A STUDY DONE EVENTUALLY WE HAVE A SOUND ENGINEER, AN ACOUSTICAL ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR. YES, SIR. AND I DO HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, COURSE. IN YOUR TIMELINE, WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING ANY CONFIRMATION OR INFORMATION ABOUT PARTICIPATION IN, UH, TAX CREDITS OR WITH HOUSING TRUST AT THIS TIME? I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS BEFORE WE KNOW THAT ANSWER. AND WOULD THAT BE, HOW WOULD THAT COORDINATE WITH YOUR SUBMITTAL FOR A FINAL, I'M ANTICIPATING A FINAL SUBMITTAL THAT'S 80% CDS, IS THAT CORRECT? SO IT'S 80% CDS IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE UNTIL ABOUT MAY. CDS IS IN CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR CLARIFICATION. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE JUST, JUST A, A COMMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE AFFORDABILITY. ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO MAKE MENTION OF THE DIALOGUE IS BECAUSE OF THE INTENSE COMPLEXITY OF, OF, UH, UNDERSTANDING AND COMMUNITY, UM, UM, BEING, UH, BEING INVOLVED IN THE, IN, IN, AT LEAST THE LISTENING ASPECT OF THESE, OF THESE HEARINGS. THE, THE AFFORDABILITY, UH, LET'S JUST SAY THE AFFORDABILITY POLICE, RIGHT, WOULD BE ON THE SIDE OF THE TRUSTS. THAT'S, THAT'S THE AREA WHERE, WHERE THEY DECIDE WHO THEY GIVE THE MONEY TO, UH, WHO, WHO THEY INCENTIVIZE AND WHAT THE TRADE OFF IS IN THAT INCENTIVIZING. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE AT THE LEVEL OF H D R C, I BELIEVE OUR PURVIEW IS SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE DESIGN AND THE AFFORDABILITY QUESTION IS REALLY [00:20:01] WHETHER OR NOT THEY RECEIVE CITY DOLLARS BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. AND I, I'D LIKE TO JUST ASK IF THERE'S A, UH, MR. CHAIR, IF WE COULD MAYBE GET A BRIEF PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, THE FOOTPRINT AND HOW THE BUILDING SITS AND, AND ORIENTATION AND ALL THOSE THINGS. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. YES, EDWARD, IF YOU'D RUN QUICKLY THROUGH THE SITE PLAN AND FLOOR PLANS. OKAY. SO THANK YOU, ED. I'LL JUST GO FROM HERE. THIS IS THE, UH, INITIAL SITE PLAN. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE LOBBY AND LEASING IS AT THE CORNER OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS IN EAST COMMERCE. WE'VE GOT THE PARKING GARAGE WRAPPED BY UNITS ON THE TRUE SOUTH SIDE PLAN. UM, WEST, WE'VE GOT TWO COURTYARDS CURRENTLY. THERE'LL BE A PASSE PASSING THROUGH THE COURTYARDS, UM, TO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO GO BACK AND FORTH. AND THEN THERE'LL ALSO BE A FITNESS CENTER ON THE GROUND FLOOR. AND, UM, JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, IT'S USUALLY THE QUESTION COMES UP AS FAR AS WALKABILITY. UH, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED THE EVENTS IN THE AREA. WE HAVE A 14 FOOT SETBACK FROM LOT LINE ON COMMERCE AND CHERRY. SO WE, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE AMPLE ROOM IN MY OPINION, BUT WE ALSO WILL PROBABLY HAVE UP TO EIGHT FEET AT TIMES OF SIDEWALK. WE'LL GO TO THE SECOND PART. UM, SO, OKAY, THIS IS THE GROUND LEVEL SHOWING YOU THE UNIT TYPES. THIS IS THE, THE THIRD FLOOR. NOW, FOURTH FLOOR, IF YOU'LL GO TO THAT, PLEASE, SIR. NEXT SLIDE. YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE A SKY LOUNGE FACING, UH, PLAN NORTHEAST, WHICH IS YOUR NORTHWEST. I'VE VIEWS IT DOWNTOWN. FINAL SLIDE IS AMENITY LEVEL ONLY. THAT FIFTH FLOOR IS AMENITIES ONLY. THERE ARE NO RESIDENTS. UM, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A ROOFTOP POOL CURRENTLY PLANNED AND AN AMENITY LOUNGE AS WELL. YOU CAN BEGIN TO SEE THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS. BRICK, GLASS, METAL PANELING. THIS IS THE CORNER OF, UH, CHERRY AND COMMERCE. AS YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING, THIS IS LOOKING OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS WHERE YOU'LL SEE AN ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING GARAGE, ROOFTOP POOL, LOOKING BACK AT THE BUILDING. AND THE NEXT SLIDE WILL BE THE ROOFTOP POOL LOOKING OUT OVER HEMISPHERE PARKING DOWNTOWN. ONE MORE SLIDE FOR ME. ONE MORE. OKAY. THAT'S A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE POOL. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT FIFTH FLOOR IS THE ONLY RAISED SECTION THERE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BACK DOWN ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. THERE'S AN ELEVATION SHOWING YOU FROM 49 TO 63 IS THE FIFTH FLOOR. 49 FEET TO 63 FEET. YOU CAN SEE THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS. UH, ED, IF YOU DON'T MIND ZOOMING IN ON THE MATERIALS THEMSELVES AND YOU KIND OF SEE 'EM UP CLOSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FAN. THERE YOU GO. GOT ACME BRICK WOOD SOFFIT AS WELL AS ALUMINUM SOFFIT. UM, THAT'S THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. MISCELLANEOUS METALS BE LIKE AN A C M PANEL STANDING SEAM WITH NO RIPPLES OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN. SMOOTH STANDING SEAM GLASS AND GLAZING GLASS RAILING ON PORTIONS OF IT AND MESH RAILING ON OTHER PORTIONS OF THE BALCONIES FOR THE RESIDENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW. OF COURSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN? JUST TO HAVE A QUICK COMMENT RELATIVE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF, THEY, THEY MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF HAVING ALL FINISHES AND, UH, MATERIALS BEING OF HIGH QUALITY AND SUBMITTED TO THE STAFF. AND I'M GLAD THAT'S, THAT IS THE CASE. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT COULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE, IN THE OVERALL APPEARANCE AND QUALITY OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS DURABILITY OVER TIME. UM, ITEM FOUR SPEAKS TO THE VINYL WINDOWS AND HAVING THOSE BE DARK TO MAKE THEM RECEDE, WHICH I THINK IS THE RIGHT MOVE THERE. BUT, UM, IN THIS SCHEME YOU'RE SHOWING DIVIDED LIGHTS, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE STAFF WAS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY CRITICAL PART OF HOW THEY'RE KIND OF CREATING FILIGREE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, FENESTRATION. AND, UM, THAT'S ONE THING. AND TWO, I WOULD ENCOURAGE IF YOUR PROJECT BUDGET CAN SUPPORT IT TO LOOK TO A HIGHER QUALITY AS PER ITEM FOUR, WHICH WILL HELP YOU TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT SOUND ISOLATION. OF COURSE, WE, WE DO NOT WANNA SKIMP ON MATERIALS. IT'S, UH, IT'S LEASE ABILITY. IT'S, IT'S A, I PERSONALLY, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT FOR THE AREA. WE BELIEVE WE'VE DESIGNED WITH MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT CHEAP BY ANY MEANS. UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S NO HARDY DESIGNED AND THERE'S ACTUALLY NO STUCCO CURRENTLY DESIGNED AS WELL. JUST THE AESTHETICS OF THE, OF THE BUILDING REALLY SEEM TO BE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO BE USING VINYL WINDOWS. THAT'S MY ONLY SENSE. I SEE. I APPRECIATE IT. MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, TWO COMMENTS. ONE, I I, I HOPE THAT THE [00:25:01] PROJECT, THAT THE PRESENTATION CAN INCLUDE A SHOT OR, UM, A AN ELEVATION THAT I THINK YOU'D NEVER REALLY BE ABLE TO SEE HUMANLY, BUT THAT SHOWS, LET'S SAY FROM 2 81, WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY TO CHERRY. SO THAT MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD SEE HOW THE LINES LINE UP WITH ST. PAUL SQUARE AREA WITH THE TRADE STATION AND, UH, YOUR NEW BUILDING. THE THE OTHER THING IS THAT I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF ECHO, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS. IT, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL, ELEGANT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, DARK RE REALLY KIND OF A KIND OF A FORMAL LOOK. UM, IT WOULD BE A SHAME FOR THE WINDOWS, UH, NOT TO, TO KIND OF FOLLOW THE SAME LANGUAGE OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. UH, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY WANNA BE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A HIGHER QUALITY, UM, MATERIAL, A METAL. UM, AND, AND, AND I, AND, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LINES OF, OF THE WINDOWS THAT SAY ON THE FIRST FLOOR MORE THAN ANYTHING. THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT CAME BEFORE US RECENTLY, THEY WERE PROPOSING A SIMILAR, UM, UH, QUALITY A, A WINDOW. BUT ON THE GROUND LEVEL, AT LEAST ON THE GROUND LEVEL, THEY ENSURED US THAT THE WINDOWS WOULD ALL BE TRUE. THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE, UH, FULL DIVIDED LIGHT. THEY WOULD BE REAL DIVISIONS. AND THAT THE, AND THAT THE MATERIALITY AT THE BOTTOM LEVEL WOULD BE, UH, REAL WOULD BE METAL. AND THAT AS YOU WENT TO LEVELS THAT WERE NOT TOUCHABLE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT AT THOSE LEVELS, THE, UM, THE MATERIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, VOCABULARY BECAME A LITTLE BIT MORE LIBERAL. BUT, UM, UH, IT'S, IT'S SUCH A, SUCH A FINE, UH, STATEMENT THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO THE DISTANCE ON THE WINDOWS. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I WOULD LIKE MR. CHAIR, GABE VELASQUE OVER HERE. WE HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SINA. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. ABSENT MASUKA? AYE. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, PET. AYE. AND THE PHONE? AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND JUST A REMINDER THAT, UH, AS A DESIGN DEVELOPS, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO REQUEST ANOTHER DESIGN REVIEW, COMMITTEE REVIEW. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW IT, UH, FURTHER DEVELOPS. THANK YOU. AS DO WE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. UM, THE, WE WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO AND I, UH, JUST MADE THE APPLICANT SARAH SAUER A, UM, UH, PANELIST. SARAH, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. UH, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED FOR COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR LOOKING AT MY PROJECT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS, UH, I'M A LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. I RUN A CERAMICS COMPANY CALLED GUT AND CO. IT'S BEEN IN BUSINESS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO ABOUT EIGHT YEARS. THIS IS A STEP TOWARDS GROWTH FOR US AND IT WILL BE A NEW, UH, CERAMICS STUDIO FOR PRODUCTION. AND, UM, AS OF NOW, IT'S JUST ME. I PLANS TO HIRE ONE ASSISTANT, SO IT'LL BE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO PEOPLE COMING AND GOING FROM THIS BUILDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, AND YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? I AM, YES, SIR. UM, A SIDEWALK WAS, UM, ADDED, WHICH WERE TOTALLY AGREE, AGREEABLE TO, AND ALSO SOME DETAILS ON MAKING SURE THAT AC UNITS AND OTHER MECHANICAL ITEMS WERE HIDDEN BEHIND THE BUILDING, WHICH IS AN EASY, EASY, UH, FIX FOR US. AS WELL AS, UM, WE'VE AMENDED THE SITE PLAN, WHAT YOU SEE THAT LOOKS LIKE PARKING SPOTS WAS KIND OF INFORMAL. THAT'S GONNA BE A SPACE WHERE WE HAVE ACCESS TO A GARAGE, UM, LIFT DOOR TO WHERE WE CAN UNLOAD MATERIALS QUICKLY. UM, BUT PARKING WILL BE ON THE STREET. SINCE IT'S DOWNTOWN ZONE, THERE'S NO PARKING REQUIREMENT. SO THE PARKING'S BEEN FULLY REMOVED FROM THE SITE PLAN. AND THAT WILL BE, UM, OUR ARCHITECT IS, IS WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER SINO? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, MS. SAUER, UM, UH, SO AS YOU'RE MOVING THE, EXCUSE ME, THE PARKING OUT TO THE STREET BECAUSE OF THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE, UH, WHAT IS THE LANDSCAPE OR THE TREATMENT OF THAT AREA THAT IS SHOWN AS PARKING RIGHT NOW? [00:30:01] IS IT STILL ALL GRAVEL? IT IS GONNA BE GRAVEL. UH, JUST IN THIS FIRST STAGE, JUST TO COMPLETE THE FIRST PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WE ARE GONNA GO IN AND, UM, GREEN UP THE ENTIRE SITE. BUT, UM, AS OF NOW, WE'RE LAYING GRAVEL JUST TO MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, MUD AND, AND FINISH OFF THE CONSTRUCTION SITE. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE FENCING MATERIAL AND THE GATE MATERIAL AND THE HEIGHT? IT'S GOING TO BE STEEL POSTS WITH STEEL PANEL. SO A, UH, NOT A MESH PANEL, A, YOU KNOW, A MORE RIGID KIND OF A HORSE PANEL TO WHERE IT'S STURDY. THERE'S AN IMAGE THERE. UM, IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, JUST A VERY SIMPLE POST AND PANEL METAL FENCE STAFF. WHICH PAGE IS THAT ON IN THE PACKAGE? IT'S ON, UH, PAGE 15, UH, AND IT'S, UH, DISPLAYED ON THE VARIOUS MONITORS RIGHT NOW. GOTCHA. CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? GOTCHA, EDWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OF COURSE. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED FENCE ALONG THE, UM, DAWSON STREET. UH, YES. THE FENCES PROPOSED AT SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. UM, THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE, UNLIKE, UH, THE U D C FOR RIO AND THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, DOES NOT REQUIRE, UH, FENCING TO BE LOWER THAN SIX FEET IN THE FRONT. UH, SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL FOR SIX FEET AND, UH, FOR FENCING, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, WE WERE GOING TO MAKE THAT CHANGE ON OUR PLANS, BUT I GUESS IT WAS NOT FLAGGED BY H D R C. JUST TO CLARIFY. SO WE CAN GO AHEAD WITH THE SIX FOOT ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SINO AYE. QUEZ? AYE. ABSENT MR. MASUKA? HE CURRENTLY STEPPED AWAY. UM, CARPENTER AYE. AYE. NOTED FOR MASUKA. UH, AN AYE FOR CARPENTER AS NOTED GROUP. AYE ES? YES. BETS. AYE. AND UNE AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, JUST GIMME ONE SECOND TO GRAB THAT APPLICANT. OKAY, MR. SALINAS, ARE YOU THERE? MR. SALINAS? MIGHT HAVE TO UNMUTE MR. SALINAS. UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CASE? UH, YES, I DID. I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE RAMP IN REGARDS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS. AND MY QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT RAMP HAS THE ABILITY TO MOVE BACK AWAY FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE A BIT. MR. SALINAS, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY, WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE HIS PHONE NUMBER, WE'LL TRY TO CALL HIM AND MAKE SURE THAT HE'S AWARE HIS ITEMS UP. UM, AND IF UP TO THE CHAIR, IF WE WANNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? YES. UM, THERE WE GO. I, I COULDN'T GET THE IPAD TO MUTE. I'M SORRY. UM, THE QUESTION WAS, CAN THIS MOVE BACK? THE ANSWER IS NOT EASILY. HOWEVER, THE ENTRY PORTION OF THE RAMP IS STILL ABOUT SIX FEET FROM, UH, BACK FROM THE SIDEWALK. [00:35:01] THE, UH, IF YOU GO TO THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOW THE DRIVEWAY, UM, THE RAMP SITS IN THERE IN THE PORTIER. AND THE TIP OF THAT, UH, THE ENTRY TIP OF THE RAMP IS ABOUT EQUAL WITH THAT BIG CREPE MYRTLE THERE. UM, THERE IS A FENCE THAT'S BARELY VISIBLE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH, UH, WITH A GATE, UH, THAT THE RAMP BACKS UP TO. AND, UM, THE PORT CASHIER REALLY IS NOT USABLE FOR ACCESS TO THE GARAGE BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT AT A TIME WHEN VEHICLES WERE A LOT NARROWER. AND SO, UM, IT'S A REAL SLATE OF HAND TO GET ANYTHING BIGGER THAN ABOUT A BICYCLE THROUGH THERE. UM, MS. SALINAS, I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. UM, YES. THE, THE FENCING THAT WE SEE IN THE, IN THE PHOTOGRAPH ANDER, THE FORD PUSHIER MM-HMM. IS, UM, THAT'S EXISTING. AND SO WHEN THE RAMP GOES IN, YOU'VE GOT A LAND A A LANDING THERE, BUT THE, THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE GATE SWINGING INTO THE LANDING. WOULDN'T THE LANDING BE ELEVATED AT THAT POINT? UH, NO. THE GATE SWINGS EITHER WAY. SO WE PUT STEPS DOWN OFF THE BACK OF THAT LANDING, UM, TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO GET INTO THE BACKYARD ON FOOT. THERE IS A GATE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT ALSO PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE BACKYARD FOR LAWN CARE AND, UH, APPLICATIONS LIKE THAT. UM, MY CONCERN ARISES MAINLY BECAUSE THE ENTRY OF THE RAMP, THE LOW PORTION OF THE RAMP PROTRUDES SO FAR INTO THE FRONT YARD. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT COULD EVEN BE SET BACK ANOTHER EIGHT FEET, EIGHT, 10 FEET. SO IT BEGINS TO ALIGN WITH THE FRONT STAIRS OF THE HOUSE? NO, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OUT THAT GATE AND THAT FENCE. UM, AND THERE'S REALLY NO AESTHETIC GAIN FROM DOING THAT. UM, THE PORTION, THE ENTRY PORTION OF THAT RAMP IS GOING TO BE SEEN END ON. SO PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU'LL SEE ARE THE, UM, NEW POSTS AT THAT POINT. AND AGAIN, THAT ENTRY POINT IS WELL BACK FROM THE SIDEWALK. UM, I, I DON'T HAVE A DRAWING THAT SHOWS WHERE IT SITS ON THE ENTIRE LOT. UM, BUT IT'LL BE ABOUT LEVEL, LIKE I SAID, WITH THAT TREE. YEAH. THIS, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT CHALLENGING IS HAVING ONLY A PARTIAL, UH, SITE PLAN. UM, HAVING A FULL ONE WOULD HELP THE CONVERSATION. UM, BUT I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, THE REASON THAT WE DIDN'T WANNA TAKE THE BACK OF THE RAMP AND THAT LANDING FURTHER TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY IS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S UP AGAINST A LITTLE WINDOW THERE INTO THE, THAT WAS THE OLD COLD CHUTE, AND THERE ARE UTILITIES, ELECTRICAL AND WATER COMING OUT, OUT JUST TO THE STREET SIDE OF THAT, UH, LITTLE WINDOW. MR. CHAIRS. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YES. YES, SIR. UM, MA'AM, I WANNA ASK YOU, UH, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE WRAP? MY HUSBAND HAS A RAPIDLY PROGRESSIVE MOBILITY IMPAIRMENT. OKAY. SO THE, SO THEN THE, THE, THE APPLICATION BEFORE US IS, IS REALLY MORE AN A D A ACCESSIBILITY ITEM. YES. DO, DO YOU FEEL THAT, THAT YOU'RE ACHIEVING THE, THE, UM, CLOSEST, UM, THING TO EQUAL ACCESS FOR YOUR HUSBAND AS YOU WOULD FOR A PERSON THAT CAN WALK UP THE STAIRS? LIKE THIS IS THE CLOSEST THING THAT YOU COULD GET TO GIVING HIM AN EQUAL EXPERIENCE WITH RESPECT TO ENTERING INTO THE HOUSE? WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. UH, THE STAIRS ARE DANGEROUS FOR HIM. NO, NO. I, I, I UNDERSTAND. WHAT, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SOLUTION THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING, THIS PRESENTS HIM WITH THE BEST OP OPPORTUNITY TO [00:40:01] HAVE, UM, AN EQUAL EXPERIENCE. NOW, OBVIOUSLY HE HAS TO YES, IT DOES. IT DOES. YES IT DOES. BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVES WOULD BE TO GO IN THE BACK WAY YES. WHICH IS ACTUALLY EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. RIGHT. RIGHT. IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. BUT THERE ARE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES BACK THERE THAT WOULD MAKE IT, UH, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO CONFIGURE SOMETHING OR TO PUT IN A, UH, PLATFORM LIFT. RIGHT. AND THE PLATFORM LIFT IS REALLY, EVERYONE I'VE SEEN HAS BEEN KIND OF UGLY MM-HMM. , AND THEY ARE 10 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL, I I CAN, I KNOW I CAN APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DESIGN. I, WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT IT IS THE FACT THAT HE GETS TO COME IN THE FRONT DOOR LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, REALLY, UM, UH, KIND OF A NEED. RIGHT. UH, I'D BE, YES, IT'S SUPPORTING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UM, YOUR PROJECT. THANK YOU. WELL THOUGHT OUT. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UM, I ALSO, UH, SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION. I'D NOTE, UH, THAT IT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T CAUSE IRREVERSIBLE CHANGES TO THE, UH, PROPERTY, AND THAT IT COULD BE EASILY REMOVED AT A FUTURE DATE. SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, I WILL SECOND THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE AS THE CONDITION OF THE, OF, OF MY SUPPORT FOR IT, UM, IS THAT IT IS INDEED AS REVERSIBLE AS POSSIBLE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN OUR SECTION DETAIL WHERE WE SEE A, A, A LEDGER BOARD THAT CONNECTS THE, THE FINAL, UH, SEGMENT OF THE, OF THE ACCESS TO THE EXISTING STAIRS, THAT WHATEVER ANCHORING, UH, FASTENERS ARE USED ARE PUT INTO THE, THE MORTAR JOINTS RATHER THAN INTO THE MASONRY UNITS. AND THAT THOUGHT AND CARE BE TAKEN BY THE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, CO CONTRACTOR WHO'S, UH, CONSTRUCTING THIS IN, IN, IN BEING AS SENSITIVE AND NON-DESTRUCTIVE AS POSSIBLE WITH THE WAY IN WHICH THEY, UH, ANCHOR THE, THE RAMP IN THE ANCHOR WILL BE SUPPORTED ONLY BY GRAVITY. THERE WILL BE A, UH, PANEL, PROBABLY THE, UH, DIAMOND PANEL, THE DIAMOND METAL PANEL LIKE YOU SEE ON TRUCK BOXES GOING FROM THE FIRST LANDING, UM, UP ONTO THE, UH, EXISTING PORCH. I DON'T WANNA DRILL INTO ANYTHING ON THIS HOUSE BECAUSE THE MATERIALS ARE EXTREMELY HARD AND, UH, THEY BREAK DRILL BITS. WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS AYE FISH? AYE. SINA AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AYE. CARPENTER AYE GROUP. AYE THAT SIR? AYE, I MEAN, I AM SO SORRY. I SKIPPED, UH, DISTRICT EIGHT CERVANTES. YES. AND THE AYE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 23. GOOD AFTERNOON. GET ME, OH, THERE WE GO. UH, MY NAME'S ANDREW WHITE. UM, I AM, UH, PROPOSING A PROJECT HERE TO MODIFY AN OUTBUILDING AT 1824 EAST HOUSTON STREET. UM, OVERALL THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS TO TAKE A BUILDING THAT IS CURRENTLY, UH, PARKED, GARAGE, PARKED WHAT THE PREVIOUS OWNERS USED AS. UM, WELL, THEY HAD IT SET UP WITH LIKE SLOT MACHINES IN A BAR. SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO TAKE THAT, UH, IT'S BEEN MODIFIED OVER QUITE A FEW YEARS, AND WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF, UH, TURN IT INTO ONE COHESIVE BUILDING, UH, THAT WILL REPRESENT A RENTAL UNIT IN THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, I'M OKAY WITH ALL OF THE, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH EXCEPT FOR, UM, FINDING B AND D. UH, I HAVE SOME, SOME REQUESTS THERE, UM, REGARDING THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR THE GARAGE DOOR INSETS TO BE LEFT TO LOOK LIKE GARAGE DOORS STILL AFTER THE FACT. UM, THERE'S A, UH, A STONE MASON REFINISH ON ABOUT [00:45:01] 30 TO 40% OF THE BUILDING. UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN ADDED ONTO OVER TIME. UM, YEAH, THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. SO THE EAST FACE AND THE NORTH FACE OF THIS BUILDING ARE, UH, MASONRY STONEWORK LIKE THIS. THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING IS EITHER SOME FORM OF C M U, UH, STUCCO THAT HAS BEEN APPLIED OVER C M U, UH, OR, UH, SOME KIND OF HODGEPODGE OF OTHER MASONRY TYPES. UH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A CON COHESIVE FINISH BY ANY MEANS ACROSS THE ENTIRE BUILDING. UM, SO IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA FILL A LOT OF THESE SPACES IN THE BUILDING AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE ONE, UH, CONSISTENT FINISH, UH, WE'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT FOR THE GARAGE DOOR INSETS, WE'D BE ALLOWED TO FRAME THAT IN. UM, AS WE WOULD, IN ORDER TO CLOSE IT, WE'RE GONNA PUT SLIDING GLASS DOORS THERE, UH, ON EACH ONE OF THOSE GARAGE BAYS. UH, THE OTHER REQUEST IS WE WERE ALLOWED, WE HAVE BEEN GRANTED PERMISSION TO STUCCO THE NEW FACES THAT WE'LL PUT UP AS WELL AS THE CURRENT EXISTING C M U. UM, BUT WE'RE ASKED TO MAINTAIN OR ADD, UH, STONEWORK TO MATCH THE EXISTING STONEWORK. EVERYBODY I GOT A BID FROM SAID, WELL, WE CAN PUT STONE THERE, BUT IT WILL NOT MATCH, AND IT'S GONNA BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO MAKE THAT LOOK, UH, LIKE IT WAS, OR, OR ORIGINALLY CREATED THAT WAY. SO SEEN AS HOW THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING, UH, ABOUT 60 PLUS PERCENT OF IT IS NOT STONEWORK, UH, WE'D LIKE PERMISSION TO STUCCO THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND, AND PAINT IT WHITE. SO THOSE ARE MY REQUESTS TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL ARE, ARE WORKING WITH THIS EXISTING, UH, STRUCTURE AND TRYING TO, TO TRANSFORM ITS, UH, USE. UM, SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAY BE MOTIVATING STAFF'S COMMENTS ABOUT THAT IS THAT THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO HAVE THE STRUCTURE STILL BE ABLE TO TELL A STORY. YOU KNOW, THAT WHEN SOMEONE LOOKS AT IT, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT YES, THIS WAS A GARAGE AND THERE WERE THE DOORS AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO I, I THINK I AM IN SUPPORT OF THEIR, UH, THEIR STIPULATIONS HERE. I THINK THEY'RE ON SOUND GROUND WITH THAT. UM, I THINK IT'S THE, THE, THE STONEWORK IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE FOR THIS LITTLE BUILDING, AND IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO LOSE THAT PART OF THE STORY BY COVERING IT UP WITH STUCCO. AND I THINK THE, THE DOORS, UM, I, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF LATITUDE FOR YOUR, IN INFILLING OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CONTEMPORARY FOR YOUR NEW USE, BUT STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE IT IDENTIFIABLE THAT THAT WAS WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE HISTORIC GARAGE DOORS WERE. SO IF SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE WANTED TO TAKE IT BACK TO BE IN A GARAGE, THEORETICALLY, AT LEAST THEY COULD BE ABLE TO TO TO, TO DO THAT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINA. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOM. OH, YES MA'AM. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. YEAH, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I THINK STAFF'S GOT IT RIGHT ON THIS ONE. UM, DID THE APPLICANT OR THE, ANY OF THE OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, OR DO YOU AGREE WITH ONE AND TWO? NOPE, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH ALL THE REST OF IT. UM, WE'RE JUST REALLY STRUGGLING HOW TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS WORK, UH, WITH HAVING TO CONTINUE, UM, THE STONE WORK. ANY ONE OF THOSE GAPS IS GONNA HAVE TO GET FILLED IN ON THAT FRONT FACE. UM, SOME WITH WINDOWS, BUT NONE OF THE WINDOWS WILL EXACTLY MATCH ANY OF THE OPENINGS THAT WE HAVE THERE. SO, UM, AN ALREADY HODGEPODGE THREE OR FOUR FINISHED BUILDING IS GOING TO GET AN EXTRA LAYER OF, OF FINISH ON TOP OF IT TO TRY AND MAKE THE EXTERIOR WORK. MR. CHAIRMAN, SORRY TO JUMP IN AGAIN, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT IF IT'S SKILLFULLY DONE, IT WOULD COME OFF NOT AS A HODGEPODGE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WILL COME OFF AS SOMETHING THAT'S TELLING ITS STORY AUTHENTICALLY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STONE WORK IS PRETTY PERVASIVE WITHIN SAN ANTONIO AND THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD MASONS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. SO I'M, I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO FIND SOMEONE WHO CAN DO SOMETHING THAT'S WITHIN THE REALM OF WHAT'S THERE. AND YET, EVEN IF IT'S SLIGHTLY DISTINCTIVELY DIFFERENT, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S ACTUALLY IN KEEPING WITH PRESERVATION PRACTICE SO THAT SOMEONE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS STONE WORK DATES FROM A LATER ERA VERSUS THIS STONE WORK IS FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. YES. COMMISSIONER SABRINA, CHAIR ONE, ONE MOMENT. ONE MOMENT. FINISH. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UH, AND I AGREE, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR CLARIFYING THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE MY SECOND POINT. UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE STONE, RIGHT? IT COULD BE OTHER MATERIAL THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE STONE. AND I WAS GONNA SUGGEST MAYBE A D R C. SO A D [00:50:01] C IS A MEETING WITH A FEWER COMMISSIONERS WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS DIFFERENT IDEAS FOR THAT INFILL OPTION, BUT OPTIONS YOU DO HAVE. OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I DID WANNA JUST, UM, AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, GRUIN CARPENTER, BOTH ABOUT THE STONE. UM, YOU DO WANT IT TO LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT. YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE A PERFECT MATCH. THAT'S PART OF, UM, ALTERING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. ALSO, UM, SINCE I SAW IN THE NOTES THAT IS THE PLAN IS TO REPL AND HAVE AN ADDRESS OFF MAY STREET, SUDDENLY MAY BECOMES THE FRONTAGE THAT BECOMES MOST VISIBLE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO THE RETAINED HISTORICISM IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. AND AS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO COUNTER THE HODGEPODGE, YOUR ROOF ELEMENT AND YOUR PAINTED MATERIALS, WOOD MATERIALS COULD BE THAT UNIFYING ELEMENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR. COULD I ASK TO SEE THE PROPOSED ELEVATION? OKAY. I WANNA ASK THE, THE APPLICANT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UH, SIR, THE, THE, UM, THE, THE LOCATION OF YOUR FENESTRATION AND ALL OF THAT IS, IS THAT BASED ON THE LOCATION OF INTERIOR WALLS OR IS THAT JUST WHERE YOU WANT THE WINDOWS? ARE THERE PARTICULAR UNITS IN THERE? UH, OR BETTER YET, DO YOU HAVE A FLOOR PLAN? THERE IS A FLOOR PLAN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER IN, LET'S SEE THE FLOOR PLAN, THERE WE GO. SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE ESSENTIALLY THAT'S, THAT'S KEEPING THE, UH, THERE IS ALREADY PLUMBING THERE AND, UH, AN OUTDOOR INDOOR BATHROOM. SO THAT'S KIND OF KEEPING THAT SPACE AS IS. WE'RE JUST ADDING A SHOWER AND CLOSING OFF A DOOR. UM, THE NEXT SPACE THAT WE HAVE LISTED IS THE MASTER SUITE. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE TWO CAR GARAGE THAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE THE OPENINGS. THIS FLOOR PLAN WASN'T REVISED ORIGINALLY. THE PLAN WAS TO HAVE TWO SLIDING GLASS DOORS, UM, WHAT WE AGREED TO, TO TRY AND REVISE ONE OF THOSE TO A WINDOW. UM, BUT IT, IT, IT DOES LOOK MORE LIKE IT USED TO BE TWO GARAGE BAYS IF WE LEAVE, UH, SLIDING GLASS DOORS THERE. UM, AND THEN THE SPACE WHERE THE KITCHEN IS, WE ENDED UP LIMITED THERE. UM, THAT KITCHEN SPACE, UH, BUTTS UP AGAINST THE, UH, MASONRY WALL THAT IS THE INSIDE OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, UH, THAT WAS PUT THERE. THE OTHER SIDE, EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT IS, UH, THE ADDITION THAT'S, UH, JUST AN OPEN C M U BUILDING RIGHT NOW. WELL, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT MY THOUGHTS ARE, UM, JUST, JUST IN, IN LOOKING AT, AT THIS, UM, APPLICATION AS SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY COULD GET A VOTE, RIGHT? I I, I WOULD BE CONSIDERING THAT AT THE HALF, THAT IS NOT THE HISTORIC PART. THE HALF THAT IS JUST THE BLOCK IS ALMOST LIKE A FREE, UM, TO DO WHAT AS YOU WISH IN THAT ENVIRONMENT IF, IF YOU HAD THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF FREEDOM, RIGHT? AND THEN THE PART THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT GETS SET IN STONE IS THE PART THAT IS OBVIOUSLY THE HISTORIC ENVIRONMENT. WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT YOU, UM, YOU PULL THE APPLICATION, UH, AS FOR A CONTINUANCE AND THEN TAKE YOUR PLAN WITH THE ELEV WITH THE EXISTING ELEVATION, PARTICULARLY THE ELEVATION OF THE, THE TWO DOORS AND THE TWO GARAGE DOORS, RIGHT? THAT SECTION PARTICULARLY. AND THEN PLAY WITH YOUR WALLS AND YOUR WINDOWS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF THE, OF THOSE EXISTING FENESTRATIONS THE WAY THAT THEY ARE. SO SAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE 10 INCH OR, OR EIGHT INCH BLOCK WALLS, LET'S JUST SAY THAT YOU FILLED THEM IN WITH SIX INCH BLOCK, RIGHT? SO THAT YOU MAINTAIN THE INSETS AND THEN, AND THEN FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE A FENESTRATION PATTERN THAT WILL WORK FOR YOU. ALTHOUGH IT WON'T BE LIKE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT IF YOU FIND ONE, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S A KIND OF A EUREKA MOMENT, RIGHT? AND THEN COME BACK. I THINK IT WOULD BE A BETTER OPTION FOR YOU THAN TO, THAN TO GET A VOTE RIGHT NOW. UM, OR TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE AND THEN GO ALONG WITH THE, THE, THE SUGGESTION THAT COMMISSIONER GRU IS MAKING AND ASK FOR DESIGN REVIEW. THE ONLY THING IS THAT IF YOU ASK FOR DESIGN REVIEW, YOU'LL GET INVOLVEMENT BEYOND YOURSELF SITTING AT THE DRAFTING TABLE, WHICH I THINK IS, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD, IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD COME UP WITH A SOLUTION ON YOUR OWN. UM, BUT JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, I FEEL LIKE THE INVOLVEMENT OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND, AND THE D R C COULD BRING BENEFIT TO THE PROCESS HERE AND MAYBE GIVE MORE DIRECTION TO THE, UM, TO THE APPLICANT [00:55:01] AND IS NOT SEEN AS SORT OF MEDDLING OR FIDDLING WITH THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT THIS, UH, PROJECT BE, UH, REFERRED TO A D R C I SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER CARPENTER COULD BE MOVE AND APPROVE THE OTHER ITEMS, OR, OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO MOVE THE WHOLE APPLICATION TO D O C I? I THINK JUST FOR CLEANLINESS SAKE, UH, UNLESS THERE'S SOME IMPERATIVE WITH THE PROJECT'S, UH, SCHEDULE, I JUST WOULD KEEP IT AS A SET AND, AND WE, WE APPROVE IT ONCE IT COMES BACK. THAT'S MY OPINION. BUT OTHERS MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT, I SECOND IT. I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA AYE. QUEZ. AYE. ALES ABSENT? AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. ZER. AYE. AND UNE AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. ALL RIGHT. THANK Y'ALL. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 H D R C CASE NUMBER, OH, ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY. THERE'S A, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF OURSELVES. SORRY. UH, THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 93 31 FUR DRIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 20 EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH E. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RESTORE THE DETERIORATED WOOD WINDOWS AND PRESERVE ALL ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS. IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR WINDOW REPAIR. UM, REPLACEMENT, UH, THIS CASE IS RETURNING FROM THE DECEMBER 15TH H D R C HEARING. UM, THE COMMISSION REFERRED THE REQUEST TO A D R C SITE VISIT, UM, ON JANUARY 4TH, 2021, AND COMMENTED ON THE WINDOW REQUEST TO BE REPLACED. UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS AGREED OR COMMISSION MEMBERS AGREED THAT THE WINDOWS WERE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION AND SUPPORTED STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL AND OPPOSITION. UM, AND THE APPLICANT, STEVEN NAVARRO IS WITH US ONLINE. YEAH. MR. NAVARRO, ARE YOU THERE? I MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE. YES, I'M SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN. THANK YOU. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE, UM, PLAY THE VOICEMAIL? UH, WELL I'D LIKE TO, IF I COULD, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE VOICEMAIL, UM, UH, BEFORE PROVIDING JUST SOME BRIEF COMMENTS IF I COULD. YES. LET'S PLAY THE VOICEMAIL. YES. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE MONTICELLO PARK BOARD OF DIRECTORS. OUR ADDRESS IS PO BOX 1 0 3 1 5, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 1. I'M CALLING REGARDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25. THE ADDRESS IS 3 3 1 BIRD DRIVE. THE CASE NUMBER IS 2 0 2 1 DASH 5 9 0. UM, WE ARE THANKFUL FOR HOMEOWNERS WHO WANNA INVEST IN THEIR HOMES AND ARE THANKFUL FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR WORKING WITH O H P ON THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. UM, REGARDING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH E AS STATED IN THE, UH, FINDINGS FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE. AND THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AGREES, UH, WE URGE THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO UTILIZE RESOURCES TO RESTORE AND PRESERVE THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS, WHICH ARE DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS FOR HOMES AND OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THIS CASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, MR. NAVARRO, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YES. UH, [01:00:01] THANK YOU AND I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. UM, I KNOW, UM, SOME OR MOST OF YOU WERE, UH, PRESENT AT THE LAST HEARING ON DECEMBER 15TH WHEN I PRESENTED, UH, THE CASE FOR MY MOTHER. AND, UH, SOME OF YOU, UH, ACTUALLY WENT BY THE HOUSE ON JANUARY 4TH. UM, AND, AND BASICALLY JUST A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS. UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1925. UM, THESE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN DETERIORATING FOR QUITE SOME TIME. UM, I STARTED, UH, LIVING IN THAT HOUSE IN, UH, PROBABLY 1972, UM, BUT HAVE NOT BEEN IN THAT HOUSE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. MY MOTHER, UH, NOW LIVES IN THAT HOUSE BY HERSELF. UM, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY SHE'S MADE THIS REQUEST IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT GIVEN THE CONDITION OF THOSE WINDOWS, UH, UNFORTUNATELY DURING THIS TIME PERIOD WHEN THE TEMPERATURES GET COLD, UH, IT'S HARD TO KEEP THE HOUSE WARM. UM, AND SHE DOES NOT HAVE CENTRAL AIR, CENTRAL HEAT. SHE JUST HAS, UH, FOUR, UH, HEATER UNITS, UH, THREE OF THEM. UH, AND SHE TRIES TO HEAT THE HOUSE WITH THAT. SO SHE'S GOT THE PROBLEM WITH THE AIR OR THE HEAT, RATHER ESCAPING THE HOUSE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE WINDOWS. AND THEN THE PROBLEM OF THE, THE, THE DRAFTS, UH, COMING IN THROUGH, THROUGH THE WINDOWS. UM, SO REALLY ALL SHE'S ASKING TO DO IS TO REPLACE, UM, THE, THE LOWER LEVEL WINDOWS. IT'S 20 OF THEM. UH, AND AGAIN, THE SOLE REASON IS JUST, UM, TO, TO TRY TO KEEP THE HOUSE, UH, AS WARM AS AS POSSIBLE, UH, AS SHE CAN DO. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, DESIRE, UH, TO KEEP THE, THE LOOK OF THE ORIGINAL EXISTING WINDOWS, UH, WHICH IS, UH, WHY IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE FILED, UM, WE INDICATED THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE PELLA, UH, WOOD WINDOWS. UM, I HAVE SPOKEN TO A, UM, A CONTRACTOR BY THE NAME OF AO DESIGNS, UH, WHICH WHICH I GOT FROM YOUR, THE, THE CITY'S WEBSITE, THE REHAB OR CLUB WEBSITE, UM, TO TALK ABOUT REPAIRING, UH, THOSE WINDOWS. AND WHAT THE GENTLEMAN AT AO DESIGNS, UH, INDICATED WAS THAT IN ORDER FOR HIM TO EVEN TO DO REPAIRS, UM, ALONG EACH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, HE WOULD HAVE TO ATTACK, UM, THE WINDOWS BY ROOM. SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THERE IS THE FIRST ROOM THAT IS ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE DRIVEWAY. SO IT WOULD BE ON THE, I GUESS THE NORTH SIDE OF, OF THE HOUSE. HIS PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO REMOVE ALL OF THOSE THREE WINDOWS, TAKE THEM BACK TO HIS WAREHOUSE TO WORK ON THEM, AND IN THE MEANTIME PUT PLYWOOD ON THERE. AND HE SAID THAT THE PLYWOOD WOULD BE ON THERE FOR ABOUT THREE TO FIVE DAYS BEFORE HE COULD COME BACK AND REINSTALL THE WINDOWS. UM, I EXPLAINED THAT TO MY MOTHER BECAUSE I, I KNOW, UH, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN, UM, UH, FOR REPAIR AS OPPOSED TO REPLACE. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, CONCERNS HER VERY MUCH HAVING, UH, PLYWOOD THERE AS OPPOSED TO, UM, UM, HAVING THE ORIGINAL WINDOW. SO, UM, I, I DO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TIME, CONCERN AND, AND THE THOUGHT THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO IT. UH, HOWEVER, ON HER BEHALF, UM, SHE DOES ASK ME TO, UM, REGE HER REQUEST FOR, UH, THE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UH, MAY I GET A REPORT FROM THOSE WHO ATTENDED THE SIDE VISIT? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR. IT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER CERVANTES AND MYSELF WHO ATTENDED. UH, WE WALKED THE PROPERTY FROM THE EXTERIOR. WE WALKED IT ON THE INTERIOR, AND I WOULD SAY WE CONCUR WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS, AND WE DID MAKE VARIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW THE REPLACEMENT AND THE, OR HOW THE, EXCUSE ME, HOW THE REPAIRS COULD OCCUR IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE ECONOMICAL AND, UM, EFFICIENT. UM, UM, ONE OF, UM, AND THAT COULD BE DONE FROM THE INTERIOR. IT'S A RATHER MINOR, UM, PROCEDURE TO REMOVE THE SASHES. AND, UM, MR. NAVARRO, UH, PER THE, UM, CONTRACTOR WITH AO DESIGNS, UM, HE RECOMMENDED THAT YOU COULD DO ONE, SAY, THREE WINDOWS AT A TIME OR ROOM AT A TIME. DOES HE HAVE A CREW THAT CAN DO TWO OR FOUR ROOMS AT A TIME TO EXPEDITE THEM? UH, HE DID NOT INDICATE THAT, UM, I DID TELL HIM [01:05:01] THAT, UH, MY MOTHER OBVIOUSLY WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HIM HAVING TO TAKE OFF THE WINDOWS AND TAKE THEM, UH, BACK OVER TO HIS WAREHOUSE. I ASKED HIM IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT HE COULD PROPOSE, AND UNFORTUNATELY HE SAID THAT WAS REALLY ALL THAT HE COULD DO. I, I DIDN'T ASK HIM SPECIFICALLY IF HE HAD MULTIPLE CREWS, BUT, UH, BUT HE DIDN'T, HE DIDN'T INDICATE THAT HE COULD, UM, BRING MULTIPLE INDIVIDUALS AND, AND DO IT, UH, UH, IN A MORE TIMELY FASHION. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL THAT IS THE REMOVING THE SASHES FROM THE INTERIOR AND JUST DOING THE REPAIRS AND REINSTALLING IS ACTUALLY VERY QUICK AND EASY THING. UM, AND SO ADDITIONAL, UH, LABOR COULD EASILY SOLVE THAT. WE BELIEVE THAT THE WINDOWS COULD BE REPAIRED BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY IN VERY GOOD SHAPE. I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A POSSIBLE EXCEPTION ON ONE OR TWO OF THE SASHES 16 WINDOW. 16 NUMBER 17, BOTH ON THE NORTH SIDE APPEAR TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE MOISTURE DAMAGE, UM, THAN JUST THE SURFACE. UH, THE OTHER WINDOWS, IT'S PRIMARILY A PAINT FINISH, UM, ISSUE. UH, BUT 16 AND 17 ON THE BACK MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE MOISTURE THAT'S ACTUALLY GONE TO THE WOOD SASH. AND THAT SAID, UM, THAT WHOLE NORTH SIDE, UM, LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY MOISTURE. UM, AND THEN IN THE ESSENCE OF, UM, EFFICIENCY AND YOUR, YOUR BUDGET, UM, WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT REMOVING THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND REPLACEMENT WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN JUST, UM, TAKING OUT THE WINDOWS. YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRIM, VINYL SIDING, AND ALL OF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE IMPACTED. SO, UM, WE BELIEVE THE EFFICIENT WAY OF REMOVING SASHES AND REPAIRING THOSE WOULD BE OPTIMUM CONSIDERING YOUR SITUATION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I FULLY CON, UH, CONCUR WITH WHAT WAS JUST SAID AND, AND WANNA JUST EXPRESS OUR APPRECIATION, UH, TO MR. NAVARRO FOR ALLOWING US TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ENJOYED, WE ENJOYED YOUR, YOUR WELCOME THERE. UM, I THINK IT IS CONCERNING WHEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE SEQUENCE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH, IF YOU WERE GOING TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF THERE WAS A LARGER SCALE REHABILITATION BEING PLANNED FOR THE, THE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD INCLUDE ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE SEE IN THE IMAGE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. UM, SOME OF THE PRESUMED, UH, MOISTURE DAMAGE, UH, OCCURRING TO THE, THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING BELOW THE ALUMINUM SIDING THAT'S, THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S AREAS, UH, FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT IN ATTENDANCE, THERE, THERE ARE AREAS THAT WERE SORT OF BELLOWING OUT, UM, IN A VERY CONCERNING WAY, PARTICULARLY RIGHT AROUND AT THE STAIRS THAT, UH, LEAD US TO BELIEVE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED THERE. IF YOU START REMOVING THE WINDOWS, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE, UH, ALUMINUM ADDED TRIM, WHICH WOULD THEN LEAD TO ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER. AND IT SEEMS LIKE IF, IF, IF EFFICIENCY AND COST WERE OF GREATEST CONCERN THAT THEN WORKING WITH THE EXISTING WINDOWS WOULD BE THE BEST APPROACH. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, I, MR. NAVARRO, A LOT OF THE, UH, I MEAN, I, I DIDN'T, WASN'T PRESENT AT THE MEETING, BUT I'M, I AM THANKFUL THAT MY COMMISSIONERS WERE ABLE TO GO THERE, UM, BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT ALUMINUM BOARD. I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THAT IS ALUMINUM RIGHT AROUND THE WINDOWS, AND THAT IS LIKE ADDED ON AND THERE'S WOOD UNDERNEATH. WE KNOW THAT WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL WINDOW FRAME IS PROTECTED. THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT WE OBSERVED. UM, THERE'S AN AREA WHERE, UM, THERE'S A, A METAL SILL THAT'S BEEN PUT OVER THE ORIGINAL WOOD SILL AND, BUT WE COULD SEE WHERE ALL THAT WAS COMING TOGETHER. AND THERE, THERE'S STILL, THE WOOD TRIM AND SIDING IS, IS CONCEALED BY THOSE ELEMENTS. EXACTLY. SO IT'S BEEN PROTECTED MANY YEARS. SO, UM, I MEAN, IF THE COMMISSION IS ALSO, UM, YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE WINDOWS THAT COULD BE CHANGED OUT. SO IF, IF THE MOISTURE PROBLEM IS REPAIRED, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE FIRST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED BEFORE EVEN REPLACING A WINDOW ON THE WINDOW 16 AND 17, I THINK YOU WERE SAYING I WOULD ENTERTAIN, UH, MAYBE A REPLACEMENT FOR THOSE, BUT NOT UNTIL MAYBE SOME OF THAT MOISTURE PROBLEMS, UM, BE FIXED FIRST, BECAUSE I THINK PUTTING IN A NEW WINDOW WILL NOT, UH, DO THAT. I, MR. NAVARRO, I HAVE OLD WOOD WINDOWS IN MY WHOLE HOUSE, AND I HAD A PAINTER PAINT THEM FROM THE OUTSIDE AND REPAIR THEM FROM THE OUTSIDE WITHOUT REMOVING ANY WINDOWS. AND THAT [01:10:01] HELPED A LOT. UM, I'VE ONLY HAD TO REMOVE 1 0 2 FOR A DEEPER REPAIR OF WOOD ROCK, BUT A LOT OF IT WAS ABLE TO BE DONE, UM, IN PLACE. AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PAINTERS. I KNOW MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH ARE ALSO IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE GETTING THOSE, UH, THEIR WINDOWS REPAIRED, UH, IN PLACE. AND ONLY I THINK THREE OF THE 35 WINDOWS THEY HAVE, HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN REMOVED FOR DEEPER REPAIR. SO A LOT OF IT CAN BE DONE. AND, UM, IN, IN LOCATION I'LL SUPPORT, UH, STAFF STIPULATION. I THINK. UH, UH, MR. NAVARRO, IF YOU DON'T SEE THE SUPPORT FROM THIS, UH, COMMISSION, I SUGGEST MAYBE WITHDRAWING OR IF YOU WANT US TO TAKE ACTION, WE CAN. UH, MR. CHAIR, I GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. NAVARRO. YES, SIR. SIR, LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, AT THE DRAWING THAT HAS ALL OF THE, THE WINDOW REQUESTS, WHAT, WHAT IS THE MAIN OBJECTIVE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN SUGGESTING THE REPLACEMENT OF ALL OF THOSE WINDOWS? OKAY. UH, AND, AND FIRST OF ALL, LET ME, LET ME MR. NAVARRO, WE LOST YOUR AUDIO. WE LOST AUDIO. YOU'RE STILL UNMUTED. HELLO? YES, WE HEAR YOU NOW. OKAY. I I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. UM, I DID WANNA JUST SAY THAT I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T REALIZE, UH, WHEN I WAS SPEAKING EARLIER THAT, UH, WHILE I UNMUTE, MUTED MYSELF, I DIDN'T START THE VIDEO, SO I DO APOLOGIZE. AND I JUST REALIZED THAT, AND I STARTED IT A SECOND AGO. UM, WELL, LET, LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THE QUESTION BY SAYING THIS. I, UM, I, I DO NOT LIVE IN THAT HOUSE. UH, I HAVE NOT LIVED IN THAT HOUSE PROBABLY SINCE 1994. UH, UH, WHEN I GOT MARRIED, UH, MY MOTHER, UH, LIVES IN THAT HOUSE, UH, AND HAS BEEN LIVING IN THAT HOUSE BY HERSELF SINCE SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2019. WHEN MY FATHER PASSED, BEFORE THAT, IT WAS JUST HER AND MY MO UH, HER AND MY DAD FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH REALLY IS WHAT MY MOTHER REALLY, WHAT MY MOTHER IS, IS, IS WANTING TO KEEP HER HOUSE WARM. UM, MY BROTHERS AND I WILL STAY THERE FROM TIME TO TIME WITH HER ALTERNATING, AND IN THE WINTER MONTHS, UM, IT, IT IS COLD IN THE HOUSE, AND YOU DO FILL A DRAFT IN, IN SOME OF THE ROOMS. AND SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT, IT REALLY, UM, SHE WOULD LIKE, SHE CAN SEE THAT THE WINDOWS ARE NOT IN THE CONDITION THAT THEY WERE, UH, WHEN SHE BOUGHT THAT HOUSE IN 1972, I BELIEVE. UM, AND CAN FEEL THE, THE, THE DRAFTS COMING IN. SO WHAT SHE'D LIKE TO DO IS, IS GET THEM TO BE, UM, IN, IN THE BEST CONDITION THAT THEY CAN BE, UH, SO THAT HOPEFULLY HER HOUSE CAN BE, CAN RETAIN SOME MORE OF THE HEAT AND, AND KEEP OUT, UH, AS MUCH OF THE WIND AS, AS THEY CAN. OKAY, THANK YOU. I, I'D LIKE TO MR. CHAIR, ASK, UH, UH, I GUESS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, HE WAS IN THE D R C UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WITH RESPECT TO WHAT HIS MOTHER'S OBJECTIVE IS. THE WINDOWS COULD BE FLAKING PAINT AND THEY, THEY, THEY MAY BE, UM, NOT BRAND NEW WINDOWS, BUT ARE THOSE WINDOWS, LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE WINDOWS THAT, THAT, THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR KEEPING THE WINDOWS, ARE THEY IN THE BEST CONDITION WITH RESPECT TO TEMPERATURE? SO THE THERMAL QUALITIES OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE, UM, BEING COMPROMISED BY THE FACT THAT THEY, THEY ARE NOT PROPERLY WEATHER STRIPPED. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED. BUT IF, IF THEY ARE REHABILITATED AND THOSE ELEMENTS ARE ADDED BACK TO THE, THE WINDOWS, THEY CAN CERTAINLY BE SERVICEABLE FROM A THERMAL QUALITY STANDPOINT. BUT, BUT LIKE FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THIS WEEK, RIGHT, THIS LIKE SATURDAY, RIGHT? IT'S SUPPOSED TO GET INTO, LET'S SAY THE, THE, THE TEENS, RIGHT? WILL IT, WILL THE WILL WHAT, WHAT WE, JUST TO, JUST SO THAT THERE, THAT THERE'S A CLEAR WAY OF, UH, OF GIVING THE GENTLEMAN THE COMMUNICATION THAT HE NEEDS TO TAKE BACK TO HIS MOM. WILL IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE TEMPERATURE FROM ONE SIDE OF THE WINDOW TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WINDOW IF THE WINDOWS ARE CAULKED AND PAINTED? [01:15:01] UH, YES, BECAUSE, UH, ENERGY LOSS COMES IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS THROUGH WINDOWS. AND, UH, THERE'S ONE THING, INFILTRATION IS CAUSED BY WIND BEING FORCED THROUGH THE WINDOW, AND THAT'S ADDRESSED THROUGH THINGS LIKE THE WEATHER STRIPPING. THEN THERE'S RADIANT TRANSFER SUCH AS HEAT DURING THE HEATING OR COOLING CYCLE. UM, SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT REHABILITATING THE, THE WINDOWS WILL ADDRESS PARTICULARLY INFILTRATION ISSUES. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. NOW TO MI MR. NAVARRO, IS THE HOUSE CENTRALLY COOLED? IS IT, DOES IT HAVE A, UM, A COMPLETE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, UH, UM, CONDITIONING SYSTEM? OR IS IT JUST AS WE SEE A WINDOW UNIT IN THAT ONE ROOM? IS IT JUST, UH, WINDOW UNIT COOLED OR HEATED? UH, THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S JUST, UM, IT DOES NOT HAVE CENTRAL AIR AND CENTRAL HEAT. THERE ARE, UH, TWO AIR CONDITION, TWO WINDOW UNITS AND THREE, UH, HEATERS. UH, ONE OF WHICH I THINK THE, THE, THE MEMBERS THAT, UH, WENT INTO THE HOUSE, UH, BACK ON THE 4TH OF JANUARY, THE, THERE'S ONE HEATER IN THE MAIN, IN THE LIVING ROOM, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FIREPLACE, UH, IS A HEATER IN MY MOTHER'S BEDROOM, WHICH YOU SEE THERE. IT'S THAT ROOM THERE THAT HAS THE SMALL WINDOW UNIT, THAT'S HER BEDROOM. THERE'S A HEATER IN THERE, AND THEN THE TWO WINDOWS IN THE CENTER OF THAT PICTURE, UM, THOSE TWO WINDOWS ARE THE BATHROOM AND THE BOTTOM FLOOR. THERE IS A SMALL HEATER THERE IN THE BATHROOM. SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THE, UH, THE HOUSE IS HEATED. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS. THANK YOU. YES. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN, WHEN YOU WERE ON SITE AT THE D R C, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, I KNOW A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REPAIRABILITY OF THESE WINDOWS AND ADDING THE WEATHER STRIPPING AND, AND MAKING THEM, UH, WEATHER TIED IN THAT. WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, ADDING INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS, WHICH WOULD ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF, UM, POSSIBLY HELP WITH THE, UM, COLD COMING IN? I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS. I, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, AS BEING AN A POSSIBILITY AND ALSO THERMALLY JUST THE, THE WAY THE HOUSE PERFORMS. UH, I THINK THE, THE THERMAL CONCERNS RIGHT NOW EXTEND TO THE ENTIRE HOUSE. IT'S NOT ALL BEING CARRIED BY THE WINDOW. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING WE ADDRESSED IS WHOLE HOUSE HOLISTIC, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND THE PRIORITY OF PLANES AND AREAS THAT SHOULD REQUIRE OR SHOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL INSULATION BEFORE WINDOWS ARE EVEN ADDRESSED. SO, UM, MR. NAVARRO, YOU MAY WANT TO, UM, EVEN FOR THIS IMMEDIATE WINTER, CLOSE OFF THE SECOND FLOOR THAT'S CREATING SORT OF A CHIMNEY EFFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, I SUPPORT STAFF'S POSITIONS ON, ON THIS AND DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, UH, OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS BASED UPON FINDINGS B THROUGH E. I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. LES ABSENT MASUKA? AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE. AYE. BE SIR. AYE. UNE AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 26, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 5 92 7 0 3 MISSION ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE AT 7 0 3 MISSION ROAD, LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT AND MISSION PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT ONE. THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IN CANOPY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED FOR DEMOLITION. THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION [01:20:01] IS REQUESTING A REVIEW OF CONTRIBUTING STATUS FROM THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH U STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENT OPTIONS THAT PRESERVE RELOCATE OR RECREATE THE MURAL ON SITE TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES PARKING AND SITE DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LANDSCAPING, PARKING, AND SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN THE U D C SECTION 35,672. AND THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL IS NOTED IN FINDING H THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A ROBUST LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE U D C SECTION 35 6 72 IN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL IS NOTED IN FINDING P FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A DESIGN DUMPSTER LOCATION ON SITE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL IS NOTED IN FINDING T FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INTRODUCES ELEMENTS THAT ARE SEPARATE, THAT SEPARATE BLANK FACADES, SUCH AS CHANGES IN MATERIALS, WALL PLANES OR FENESTRATION IS NOTED IN FINDING K SIX THAT THE PROPOSED STUCCO AND STONE BE APPLIED IN A TRADITIONAL MANNER, AND THAT THE STONE IS NOT SIMPLY A STONE VENEER IS NOTED IN FINDING M SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED WINDOWS AND THAT WINDOWS BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS. AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING M EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR THE PROPOSED FUEL CANOPY IS NOTED IN FINDING Q NINE THAT THE PROPO THAT THE APPLICANT DEVELOPS A DETAILED SIGNAGE PACKAGE PACKAGE TO SUBMIT TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL IS NOTED IN FINDING R TENANT. THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IS NOTED IN FINDING O AND THAT CON CONTEXTUAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SUCH AS THE TOWER ELEMENTS BE ELIMINATED IN FAVOR OF A MORE MODERN DESIGN THAT UTILIZES TRADITIONAL MATERIALS AND FORM 11 THAT ALL MECHANICAL AND SERVICE EQUIPMENT BE LOCATED IN A MANNER THAT SCREENS IT FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS NOTED IN FINDING SS 12 THAT THE BUILDING SETBACK FROM EAST MITCHELL BE GREATER THAN THE FRONT SETBACK OF THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE TO THE WEST IS NOTED IN FINDING G AND 13. AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY IS APPLICABLE. UH, THE APPLICANT, FRANK TEIS, UH, IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY. GOOD AFTERNOON. YES, SIR. WE REVIEWED, UH, THE STIPULATIONS HISTORIC HAD FOR US. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WORKING ON MOST OF THESE AS FAR AS THE, UH, RELOCATION OF THE, UH, MURAL. WE ARE RETAINING A DIG A GRAPHIC DESIGNER WHO'S GONNA DIGITALLY, UH, RECOMPOSE THE, THE MURAL INTO A DIGITAL FORMAT AND THEN PUT IT INTO A VINYL PRINT THAT WE'RE GONNA ATTACH TO OUR NEW BUILDING. AND A STIPULATION TWO, THE PARKING. WE'VE ALREADY REDESIGNED THE PARKING TO ADD THE, UH, DUMPSTER LOCATION. AND WE HAVE, UH, RANDY CHAVEZ, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, IS WORKING ON A FULL BLOWN LANDSCAPING PLAN. AND WE'VE ALREADY, WE'VE ALREADY SENT IN A COUPLE OF ITEMS OR ELEVATIONS FOR THE FACADE, BUT I GUESS THEY WEREN'T INTRODUCED TO THIS MEAN. BUT WE WILL COMPLY WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS. THE ONLY ONE WE ARE WAITING FOR IS THE CITY ARCHEOLOGISTS TO GET AHOLD OF US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT EXACTLY WE NEED TO DO ON THE INVESTIGATION. OKAY. AND WE ALSO, UH, FOLLOWED THE MPO ONE, WHICH WE'RE CLOSE TO MISSION, AND OUR BUILDING IS ABOUT ROUGHLY 750 FEET AWAY. AND IT'S A ONE STORY, SO THAT GIVES US A MAXIMUM OF 27 FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION. OUR FRONT FACADE IS NO MORE THAN 24 FEET, SO WE COMPLY WITH THAT. COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. YES, PLEASE HEARD THERE'S A VOICEMAIL. I THINK. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE A NOTE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A ACTUAL FILE, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION. OKAY. WE DID HAVE, WE DID HAVE A LETTER FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WITH SOME CONCERNS, UM, ESPECIALLY [01:25:01] WITH THE LOCATION OF THE FUEL CANOPY AND OTHER ITEMS THAT AFFECT THE VISIBILITY OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FROM, UH, THE MISSION. AND I'LL DIRECT OUR COMMISSIONERS TO THAT LETTER IN YOUR PACKET, MR. TEEZ, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT Y'ALL HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AND THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON IT. CORRECT. UH, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE COMMENTS. UH, STAFF CAN ALSO GET YOU A COPY OF THE LETTER FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. UM, I SUGGEST THAT YOU POSSIBLY PULL THE CASE, ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE, UH, WORKOUTS, YOUR REDESIGNS AND MODIFICATIONS BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND, UH, THEN COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WHEN YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION. WHEN IS THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING? THE NEXT HEARING? UH, THIS IS O H P STAFF. UM, THE NEXT HEARING WOULD BE ON WEDNESDAY, UH, FEBRUARY THE SECOND. UM, FRANK, I WOULD ALSO, UH, UH, RECOMMEND THAT, UM, A SECOND WEBEX MEETING WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, FOR THEM TO REVIEW THE UPDATES THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST. UM, OKAY. IN THAT EVENT, YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AND THE NEXT HEARING WILL NOT BE THE FIRST TIME, UH, THAT THEY SEE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE BASED ON STAFF'S COMMENTS. OKAY. WELL, I GUESS WE'RE GONNA PULL FOR TODAY AND WORK ON THE, UH, STIPULA. MR. CHAIRS. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I'D LIKE TO YES, SIR. SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH THE, UM, APPLICANT. YES, SIR. UM, SIR, I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THE MURAL. UH, THE MURAL WAS DONE BY THE ARTIST JOEL LOPEZ AND THE ARTIST JUAN FAIA. UH, THE, UM, THE, THE MURAL WAS, UM, UH, UH, AN ACCOMPLISHMENT LED BY AUGIE AND CANDY BELTRAN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. OKAY. AND, UH, IT WAS FEATURED IN A MAGAZINE AND AS FAR AS AUSTRALIA AND, UM, UH, I CAN LOOK FOR MORE INFORMATION WITH DIRECT CON CONTACT WITH THEM IF YOU NEED THAT BY ANY CHANCE. BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE, YOU CAN GOOGLE THEM TOO. AND YOU'LL FIND JUAN FARIA AND JOLO LOPEZ. THEY'RE WELL KNOWN. YEAH. WE LOOKED AT, WE LOOKED AT THE PLAQUE AND WE TRIED TO FIND THESE INDIVIDUALS TRY TO MAKE CONTACT, BUT AT THIS POINT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO, SO, OKAY. I'LL, THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE WOULD BE GOOD. I'LL FORWARD INFORMATION TO COREY AND THEN LET CORY FORWARD THE INFORMATION TO YOU THAT WAY IT'S ALL THROUGH THE OFFICIAL CHANNELS. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. TES. SO, UH, WE'LL LOOK, STAFF WILL LOOK FOR YOUR, UH, APPLICATION AGAIN AND SCHEDULE YOU AT YOUR EARLIEST CONVENIENCE. DO WE HAVE TO REAPPLY OR CAN SEND THE EMAIL TO, UH, MS. EDWARD AND NO. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GET A, A MOTION TO REFER TO D R C AND THEN IT WOULD JUST FOLLOW THE NORMAL SCHEDULE. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I MOVE TO REMAND THIS TO D R C. THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SINA AYE. AYE. QUEZ AYE. ABSENT. AYE. AYE. CARPENTER AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES. AYE THAT AYE. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN. I'D LIKE TO APPRECIATE, UH, TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER OF VELASQUEZ FOR OFFERING UP THAT INFORMATION AND SENDING THAT THROUGH THE, UH, O O H P STAFF. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT MURAL. VERY GOOD. SO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022, UH, 15 5 0 4 AUSTIN STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPAIR THE EXISTING STOREFRONT SYSTEM. TWO, TO REPAIR THE EXISTING DAMAGED STONE WINDOW, SILLS THREE TO INSTALL AND WCO LIGHTS ON [01:30:01] MULTIPLE FACADES FORWARD, INSTALL A NEW DOWNSPOUT AND LATER ON THE EAST ELEVATION. FIVE. TO INSTALL A NEW PATIO RAILING TO ENCLOSE THE PATIO AREA TO THE IMMEDIATE NORTH OF THE PRIMARY ENTRY. SIX. CONSTRUCTED A THIRD STORY ADDITION IN PLACE OF THE EXISTING ADDITION. SEVEN TO PAINT EXISTING UNPAINTED BRICK. EIGHT. INSTALL A NEW BRONZE STOREFRONT DOOR IN AN EXISTING OPENING IN THE REAR ADDITION AND NON-ST INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH THE RIDGE CAP. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER ONE THROUGH SIX BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH N WITH THE STALL FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, UH, EXCUSE ME, ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON THE, WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT ALL STONE SEAL REPAIR WORK BE DONE IN KIND WITH LIKE MATERIALS AS NOTED IN FINDING D TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED LIGHT FIXTURES BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR EITHER AN APPROVAL AND THAT NO MOUNTING EQUIPMENT OR CONDUIT PENETRATE BRICK IS NOTED IN FINDING E THREE THAT THE PROPOSED DOWNSPOUT AND LEADER FEATURE A COLOR COMPARABLE TO THE HISTORIC BRICK AND THAT NO MOUNTING EQUIPMENT OR CONDUIT PENETRATE BRICK IS NOTED IN FINDING F FOUR THAT A DETO DETAILED PATIO RAILING BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF IS NOTED. IN FINDING H FIVE, THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A RAILING AND AWNING DETAIL TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, AND THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS, RAILING, AWNING, AND ELEVATOR DOORS FEATURE NON GLOSSY COLORS AND FINISHES. UH, AND SEVEN, THAT A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND NOTED IN FINDING M STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX. THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK FACADE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT EXPLORE WASTE TO REMOVE PAINT AND GRAFFITI FROM THE BRICK. IF THE COMMISSION FINDS THE PAINTING OF THE STRUCTURE TO BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE BRICK BE PAINTED WITH THE PRODUCT THAT WOULD ALLOW DRAINAGE AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BRICK'S. NATURAL COLOR STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THE INSTALLATION OF AN ALUMINUM DOOR STAFF RECOMMENDS A, THE, A WOOD DOOR BE INSTALLED AS NOTED IN FINDING G STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. THE INSTALLATION OF A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH A RIDGE CAP STAFF RECOMMENDS THE RIDGE CAT BE REMOVED AND THAT A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM BE USED ON SITE FOR ALL METAL ROOFING. UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT TEAM IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY TODAY. UM, AND THEY HAVE, UH, AGREED TO, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND STIPULATIONS FOR ALL ITEMS. UH, BUT I'LL LET THEM CONFIRM THAT THAT'S STILL THEIR PLAN. GOOD AFTERNOON. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. HI, I'M, UH, JASON MORAN, UH, DESIGNER ON THE PROJECT. UM, DON'T KNOW IF CHRISTOPHER GILL OR NICK LL UM, WHO ARE THE, UM, OWNERS OF THE PROJECT ARE ON, BUT, UM, WE DO AGREE, UM, UH, AS EDWARD MENTIONED TO ALL OF THE, UM, STIPULATIONS, UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH. UM, OKAY, LET ME GO THROUGH THESE AGAIN. IT DON'T, YES. SO WE AGREED TO EVERYTHING, UM, ON THE ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE NOT APPROVED, UM, THE PAINTING OF THE BRICK FACADE, WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH A, UM, A MASON, UH, COMPANY TO REMOVE, UH, THE GRAFFITI AND PAINT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, APPLIED ON THE BUILDING. UM, ON THE INSTALLATION OF THE ALUMINUM DOOR. WE AGREE AND WE ARE GOING TO, UM, UH, DO A WOOD DOOR, UM, WITH GLASS INSETS IN LIEU OF THE, UH, ALUMINUM DOOR. UM, AND THEN ON THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF ON THE RIDGE CAP. UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH A ROOFER TO PROVIDE A MOCKUP, UM, OF WHAT A CRIMPED RIDGE DETAIL WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND WE WILL PRESENT THAT TO O H O H P ONCE WE HAVE A MOCKUP, UH, UH, AVAILABLE TO PRESENT. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES, WE HAVE, UH, TWO VOICEMAILS. I'LL PLAY BOTH OF THOSE NOW. THE FIRST IS FROM, UH, VALERIE CORTES. HELLO AND GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET IN DITY HILL FOR CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 1 4 AT 5 0 4 AUSTIN STREET. I SUPPORT STAFF. PLEASE NOTE THE NUMBERING IN O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS SEEM TO BE OFF. I BELIEVE ITEMS NOT APPROVED ARE ITEMS NUMBER SEVEN, NUMBER EIGHT, AND NUMBER NINE. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND LETTER FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC. THE ADDRESS IS 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 27 5 0 4 AUSTIN STREET. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS MADE MULTIPLE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE STABILIZATION OF THIS BUILDING THROUGH ITS COMMUNITY GRANTS PROGRAM. OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN THE PROGRESS MADE OVER THE [01:35:01] LAST FEW YEARS TOWARD ITS REHABILITATION. WITH THAT SAID, WE REMAIN CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED THIRD STORY EDITION IN JUNE OF 2018. WE VOICED CONCERN THAT A FLAT ROOF DECK ON THE TWO STORY PORTION OF THE BUILDING ADVERSELY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING. WE KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF WAS HIP AND BELIEVE THAT THE ROOF DECK WITH ITS INCREASED ROOFTOP ANCILLARY STRUCTURES CREATES A SCALE THAT IS NO LONGER COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC PARTS OF THE STRUCTURE. THAT WAS ONCE THE LA FAMA BAKERY, IN ADDITION, WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT APPROVAL IN 2018 REMAINS IN VIOLATION. WHILE WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THESE VIOLATIONS SHOULD BE REMEDIED PRIOR TO ANY APPROVAL OF FUTURE WORK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU. UM, MR. MORAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS BASED ON THE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS YOU HEARD? UM, WELL, WE, WE HAD, UH, PRE PRIOR APPROVAL FOR THE, UH, ADDITION, UH, THIRD FLOOR EDITION, UM, SOMETIME AGO, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 2018 MAYBE. UM, AND THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING HAVE, UM, UH, FOUND SOME, UH, MORE FUNDS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO APPLY TO THE PROJECT. AND SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS, IS, UH, UH, UH, DESIGN OR, OR REDESIGN THE THIRD FLOOR ADDITION SO THAT IT'S MORE FITTING WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, EXISTING BUILDING. SO WHAT WE'VE, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WAS A, UM, WOOD FRAME, THIRD FLOOR ADDITION THAT HAD WOOD SIDING AND, UH, WHICH HAD A LEAN TO ROOF. AND WHAT WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING IS TO DEMO THAT AND COME BACK WITH A, A, UH, BRICK ADDITION, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE ROOFTOP, UM, INSTEAD OF THE, UH, WOOD FRAMED, UH, ADDITION AND, UH, WOOD SIDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, UH, APPROVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MS. MS. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR. UM, I, IT, IT SEEMS THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, WHATEVER THE CONDITION, SO IT'S, I I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S A, A, A CONDITION OR ANYTHING. IT JUST SEEMS A BIT EXTREME THAT OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT, THAT THAT SOLUTION IS, IS QUITE A BIT OF SOLUTION FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING TO GET TO A THIRD STORY. THE OTHER THING IS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE LANDLOCKED, WHY YOU WOULDN'T SUGGEST A SEPARATE, UM, LET, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT IT LIKE AS IF IT WAS AN ELEVATOR SHAFT ALONE, RIGHT? A SEPARATE ARTICULATED OFFSET. LIKE, LIKE NOT LITERALLY CONNECTED, LITERALLY SITTING ON TOP OF, BUT APART FROM, AND THEN ARTICULATED IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO SAY THAT, HEY, I'M AN ELEVATOR. RIGHT? THAT'S, AND, AND, AND I, AND I HAVE AN IDENTITY OF MY OWN. I'M NOT THAT BUILDING. RIGHT? AND THAT SOMEHOW YOU CROSS OVER TO THAT BUILDING OR YOU STEP OVER, UH, THROUGH AN INTENTIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, CONCEPT OF THRESHOLD, RIGHT? THE, THE, UM, IT JUST SEEMS EXTREME. UM, UH, SO I, IT SURE. I, I, I, UH, I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE HESITATION AND, AND ONE THING THAT WE, THE, THE, THE, THE OWNERS AND MYSELF WERE REALLY, UM, UH, WORKING THROUGH IS THIS ELEVATOR AND, AND, AND THE NEED FOR IT. AND SO ONE THING THAT WE'VE GONE BACK TO DO IS REVIEW THE CODE AND PER BUILDING CODE, UH, WE ACTUALLY DON'T NEED THE ELEVATOR, UH, TECHNICALLY FOR A THREE STORY BUILDING. THERE, THERE IS A RULE THAT SAYS FOR THREE STORIES OR MORE, YOU NEED AN ELEVATOR. BUT THERE'S AN EXCEPTION THAT SAYS IF YOUR FOUR FLOOR PLATES ARE BELOW 3000 SQUARE FOOT EACH, THERE IS NO NEED FOR AN ELEVATOR. SO WE, UH, HAVE GONE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE THIRD FLOOR TO, TO PROVIDE THAT, BUT IN ORDER TO SAVE COST, AND ALSO BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PART OF CODE, WE CAN DELETE THE ELEVATOR FROM THE SCOPE. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SO MUCH TALKING ABOUT THE LET, [01:40:01] I MEAN, IF, IF, UH, IF YOU DON'T, DON'T LOOK AT IT LIKE IT'S A THING, RIGHT? BUT MORE LIKE IT'S JUST, THEY'RE JUST BOXES MM-HMM. , AND IN THE, IT, IT, IT JUST LIKE, LOOKING AT THIS ELEVATION, I MEAN THIS, THIS SITE PLAN RIGHT HERE, HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S CONNECTED, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'S, THAT THE TWO BUILDINGS ARE LIKE, LIKE A VERY FORMALLY ATTACHED IS IT CAN, CAN YOU GO TO AN ELEVATION IF YOU HAVE A SOUTH ELEVATION? SORRY, IT'S, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH IT, YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S AN ELEVATION. THAT'S GOOD. SEE, IT JUST SEEMS THAT THAT, THAT IT ALL AS ONE OBJECT IS KIND OF CONTRARY TO WHAT I THINK IN THE END. YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT. YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO HAVE THE OLD BUILDING INTRUDED ON WHEN, WHEN IT SEEMS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO PULL THIS BACK. I, I CAN SEE THAT THAT TOP ELEVATION IS A BIT OF A LIE, RIGHT? MAKES THE TOP LOOK LIKE IT'S AT THE SAME, UH, FACE FRONT A AS THE LOWER PART WHEN IN REALITY IT'S PUSHED BACK, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? QUITE A BIT. MM-HMM. LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM ELEVATION, RIGHT? UM, I MEAN, I, I'M VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT PHIL COMMISSIONERS WOULD SAY, BUT I, I, I JUST KIND OF FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, I SEE THAT, THAT HAVING THE ELEVATOR IN THE BUILDING AND HAVING IT RAISED ABOVE, UH, HAVING THE ADDITION RAISED ABOVE IT, IT ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME THING. I MEAN, IT ACCOMPLISHES ITS CONTINUITY, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU PULL IT APART, YOU GET THE SAME UP AND DOWN CONTINUITY. BUT OF COURSE, THERE'S THE ADDED INVESTMENT OF, WELL, IT'S ALMOST ANOTHER LITTLE BUILDING, RIGHT? TO JUST HAVE A, A STAIRCASE, ELEVATOR SHAFT TOWER, RIGHT? BUT TO ME, IT JUST SEEMS THAT THAT'S REALLY THE MORE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION. IT SAVES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF YOUR HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT ENABLES YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT IN ITS, IN ITS OWN WAY, IS ITS OWN THING. AND, AND THEN YOU, YOU, YOU WOULD CROSS OVER, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONSTRAINTS OF YOUR, OF YOUR BUDGET OR THE CONSTRAINTS OF YOUR SITE ARE. I JUST KIND OF FOOD FOR THOUGHT, KIND OF FEEL LIKE THIS, THIS SOUTH ELEVATION IS THE MOST TELLING ELEVATION OF SOMETHING THAT, THAT SAYS THAT YOU JUST HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE OTHER OPTIONS AS OPPOSED TO THE OPTION OF JUST INTRUDING ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. I I, IS IT A LITTLE CONFUSING, MIKE, WHAT, WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, BUT IT JUST MOVE FOR THOUGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER SABINO? YEAH, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, I WILL SAY THAT I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE PROGRESS OF THIS PROJECT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND HAPPY TO SEE IT, UM, MOVE FORWARD AND FITS AND STARTS. UM, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ IS REALLY ON TO SOMETHING ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THE ADDITIONAL VOLUMES REQUIRED FOR ACCESS AND FOR THE PROGRAM. UM, I THINK THIS THIRD ITERATION OF THIS ROOFTOP IS, IS THE LARGEST I'VE SEEN YET. UH, THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS RATHER MODEST, GOT APPROVAL, AND THEN IT WAS BUILT, UM, AND BUILT LARGER, TALLER THAN WAS APPROVED. SO I THINK THAT WAS THE NON-CONFORMING WORK REFERRED TO BY OTHERS. AND I DO THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, BUT NOT IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT LARGER AND TALLER STILL. I THINK THE PROPORTIONAL ISSUE FROM THAT SOUTH ELEVATION HAS TO DO WITH JUST THE HEIGHT, THE PROPORTION OF THAT ADDITION. IT ALMOST, IT OVERWHELMS THAT SECOND FLOOR. AND IF YOU GO BACK IN HISTORY AND LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL ROOF FORM FOR THAT ADDITION, IT WAS A HIP, IT WAS A TERMINATION OF THE BUILDING, HAD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER AS A RESULT. SO MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS, UM, YOU'VE GOT, UM, QUITE A BIT OF SPACE ON THAT SITE. UM, AND PERHAPS LOOKING AT THE OTHER AREA, THE OTHER AREAS ON THE PROPERTY MIGHT BE A WAY TO LOOK AT ROOFTOP ACCESS, UM, WITH OTHER STRUCTURES, OTHER FORMS, AND ALLOW THAT TWO STORY ADDITION TO BE AS FREE AND AN UNENCUMBERED, UM, AS POSSIBLE. UM, JUST, UH, FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR, I'M, I AM, UM, FINE WITH, UH, SUPPORTING ITEMS, ALL OF THE ITEMS EXCEPT FOR THIS THIRD FLOOR EDITION. AND I WOULD EVEN RECOMMEND A D R C FOR THAT ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M, I'M OF THE SAME MIND. I, I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THE ADDITION IS BEING DISTINGUISHED OLD AND NEW IN THIS CASE. AND THE RESULTING MASSING AND HEIGHT OF THIS, I THINK IS A LITTLE OUT KILTER AND, UM, [01:45:01] IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE, UH, THE MASSING OF THE, OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. SO I THINK THIS NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE THOUGHT, SEE IF THAT CAN BE SLIMMED DOWN, IF IT COULD BE TREATED MORE AS A UTILITARIAN PENTHOUSE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOSE THE SORT OF HIERARCHY OF THE, OF THE BUILDING. UM, OTHERWISE I'M IN GREAT SUPPORT OF, OF THE REHABILITATION OF THIS BUILDING AND, AND, AND MUCH APPRECIATIVE. THIS HAS BEEN A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN KIND OF NEGLECTED FOR A WHILE. AND IT'S, IT'S NICE TO SEE THESE, THESE PROPOSALS COME FORWARD ON THESE STRUCTURES YOU DRIVE BY DAY AFTER DAY AND WONDER WHAT IN THE HECK'S GOING ON THERE? SO, I, I'M AN ENCOURAGING AND SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, THIS PROJECT IN GENERAL, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME RETHINKING OF, OF THIS THIRD FLOOR ADDITION. UM, MAY I, UH, ASK, SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND AS, AS WE MOVE BO, YOU KNOW, MOVE TOWARDS A REDESIGN, UM, SO, SO THE ROOFTOP, SO IS, IS IF THERE'S A, AN ALTERNATE WAY TO GET TO THE ROOF INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, PERHAPS, UM, ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING COMING UP TO THE ROOFTOP, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE, A LITTLE MORE, UM, UH, OF WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO JUST, UM, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION BY ADDING SOMETHING. J JUST CONSIDER THAT I'M LOOKING AT A, AT A GOOGLE SHOT OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, UM, WHICH SHOWS THE, UM, KIND OF MAKESHIFT STUD STRUCTURE ABOVE IT. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IS THAT IN ITS EXISTING CONDITION, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE HIP ROOF AT THE TOP OF IT, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT DOESN'T EXIST. HMM. CORRECT. UM, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, GOING UP, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU HAD TO TAKE AN ELEVATOR UP USING A SEPARATE BOX, RIGHT? A SEPARATE STRUCTURE MM-HMM. , IT OBVIOUSLY IS A STORY TALLER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO STEP OUT OF THE ELEVATOR, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO, SO, BUT, BUT WE'RE SAYING, LET'S SAY THAT THAT TOWER IS NOT CONNECTED TO THIS BUILDING. MM-HMM. , I THINK THE REAL OPPORTUNITY EXISTS TO EXPLORE THAT IDEA OF A SEPARATE, UM, VERTICAL, UH, UH, LIFT, RIGHT? VERTICAL TRAVEL. UH, RIGHT. AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE ROOFTOP, IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN AMENITY THAT YOU WANT AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT THE, THE HISTORIC ROOF IS NOT THERE, RIGHT? I THINK IF, IF YOU MAYBE EXPLORED AN IDEA OF, OF EXPERIMENTING WITH SOME ABSTRACTION OF THE HISTORIC ROOF FORM IN THE CONTEXT OF A ROOF DECK WITH SOME DISCONNECTED, UH, ELEVATOR SYSTEM OR STRUCTURE OR BOX, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. AND JUST WITHIN, JUST WITHIN THAT PLAY, THAT THE, THAT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT EXISTS, I THINK IS TO EXPLOIT THE IDEA THAT, WELL, THERE ISN'T A ROOF THERE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO FOR A PRACTICAL PURPOSES, IT'S A FLAT ROOF AT THIS POINT. UM, BUT I MEAN, OF COURSE, EXPLORING YOUR SITE, FINDING OUT WHAT YOUR LINES ARE LIKE, AND WHETHER IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE TO GO UP THAT HIGH. I, I PERSONALLY WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF A, OF A SEPARATE, UH, NEW, NEW ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT THAT TAKES YOU OVER SOMETHING ONTO THE NEW, UM, HORIZONTAL DECK SURFACE. HOPEFULLY THAT SOMEHOW CAPTURES THE EVE OR THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, THAT HIP ENVIRONMENT. I MEAN, PERHAPS THE WHOLE ROOF IS IN A DECK. UH, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, WITHIN THAT, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY HESITATE TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE DRAW ANY FURTHER WITH WORDS. UM, BUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT WOULD GO. AND THAT'S, I, I, I'M, AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, UM, I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR WHAT, WHAT YOU THINK WITHIN, WITHIN, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS, THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT HERE. UM, SIR, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER QUEZ. I, I, I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT YOU'RE EXPRESSING. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL MAKE IT CLEAR DIAGRAM, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS ABOUT THE HISTORY AND THE STORYTELLING OF A, OF THE BUILDING, AND I THINK, UH, IT COULD MAKE FOR A VERY INTERESTING CONTEMPORARY EXPRESSION AS WELL. SO I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED, BUT I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT BE PROPERLY DONE IN A D R C, UM, TO HELP EXPLORE THIS. AND THIS MAY ACTUALLY END UP FREEING UP SOME INTERIOR SPACE FOR SOME OTHER PROGRAM [01:50:01] FUNCTIONS. UM, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD MOVE THAT THIS CASE BE REMIT TO A D R C IN A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR US. COULD I, I'LL SECOND THAT. COULD, I, COULD, COULD STAFF GET CLARIFICATION? I KNOW THAT, UM, A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS VOICED, UM, SUPPORT FOR MANY OF THE REHABILITATIVE ITEMS AND ITEMS THAT, UH, POTENTIALLY GO TOWARD CORRECTING, UM, EITHER VIOLATIONS OR INAPPROPRIATE WORK THAT'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN DONE. UH, WOULD THE D R C RECOMMENDATION OR REFERRAL BE FOR, UM, JUST THE ROOFTOP EDITION, OR WOULD THAT BE FOR ALL NINE ITEMS? I THINK ONCE AGAIN, UM, IT MIGHT BE ADMINISTRATIVELY EASIER JUST TO KEEP IT CONTAINED AS ONE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, SIR. ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A CHANCE TO SAY SOMETHING, UM, THIS CASE AND THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN, UM, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS THE LAST TIME WE REVIEWED IT, BUT, UM, ALSO ON THAT THIRD ADDITION, IT WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COMMISSION ALMOST. UH, BUT I WAS ON THERE, UM, I HAD THE UNDERSTANDING ALSO THAT MR. GID WAS DOING AN OFFICE FLUSH, LIKE A LOUNGE AREA UP THERE. SO IT WAS NOT JUST ONLY FOR A ROOFTOP PURPOSE. SO, UM, I DO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER, A D R C, BUT, UM, THIS APPLICANT HAS DONE MANY VIOLATIONS ALSO PRIOR, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS CLEAR AND NOT TAKING ACTION ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS MAY ALSO CAUSE THAT THIS JUST BECOMES MORE OF A MISUNDERSTANDING WHERE I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES WE WANT MORE FOR ADMIN STUFF, BUT I THINK THAT THAT HAS TO BE SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO THIS BUILDING. IT'S BEEN ON, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS WITH THE SAME OWNER, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MR. GIL IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE STUFF THAT, UM, IS BEING DONE OR IS TO BE DONE. AND I THINK PUTTING IT, EVERYTHING IN THE D R C ACTUALLY WOULD CREATE MORE CONFUSION WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. CHAIR. UM, I, I, IF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S WISHES TO RELEGATE THE ITEMS RELATED TO THE ROOF DECK AND TO TRANSPORTATION TO THE ROOF DECK, UH, I WOULD BE, UM, UH, IN SUPPORT. MY SECOND WOULD CARRY OVER TO THAT, THAT WAY OF LOOKING AT HIS MOTION, IF YOU SO WISH TO AMEND IT. YES, AND ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND MY APOLOGIES TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO AREN'T PHYSICALLY PRESENT. SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT ALWAYS AWARE THAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO GET IN ON IT, ON THE, ON THE DISCUSSION. SO MY, MY APOLOGIES, UH, FOR THAT. BUT, UH, YES, I, I'LL, I'LL AMEND IT SO THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE, THE ROOFTOP EDITION, THOUGH I THINK IT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT LEAD TO SOME OTHER ISSUES, BUT I THINK THERE ARE THE VIOLATION ISSUES AND THE, THE OTHER THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK ARE, THAT ARE IN QUESTION HERE THAT HAS STAFF SUPPORT THAT DON'T NEED TO BE, UH, FOCUSED ON, IN, IN THAT D R C. NOW, WHETHER WE ACT UPON THEM RIGHT NOW, I THINK I'D, I WOULD DEFER TO THE CHAIRMAN TO SEE IF HE HAS AN OPINION ON THAT. WELL, I CAN SEE WHERE STAFF IS COMING FROM, THAT THERE ARE SOME BASICALLY RESTORATION OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE PARTS AND PIECES THAT COULD BE, UH, UM, POTENTIALLY APPROVED TODAY SO THAT THE APPLICANT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS SO THAT THE APPLICANT COULD PROCEED WITH THE RESTORATION OF THOSE PORTIONS, UM, IF YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO THEM, SUCH AS, UM, LET'S SEE. AND MR. CHAIR, ACTUALLY TO ITEM NINE, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT SAID THAT HE WANTED TO DO A, LIKE A, A DEMO OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NO INSTALLATION IS DONE. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CREATE A DUMMY OF A RAMP CRIM BRIDGE SCENE. WE HAVE LOTS OF EXAMPLES IN OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT HAVE IT. IF YOU WANNA JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, GET THAT FROM STAFF. SO NO INSTALLATION ON THE STANDING, STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF BEFORE IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT IT INCLUDES THE STIPULATION. LET'S LOOK. YES, WE, WE, UM, WE, I, I AM UNAWARE OF A DETAIL, BUT I, I, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE, HAVE MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE WITH THESE, UM, HISTORIC PROFILES AND ROOF SYSTEMS. SO IF THERE'S, UH, SOMEWHERE YOU CAN DIRECT, DIRECT US, WE WILL DEFINITELY GO AND, AND REVIEW THOSE AND WE WILL, UM, NOT MODIFY THE EXISTING ROOF UNTIL WE HAVE YOUR APPROVAL PRIOR TO. OKAY, THANK YOU. LET, I'LL LET COMMISSIONER CARPENTER LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND YES. SO, UM, I ASKED FOR THE PATIENCE FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON, ON [01:55:01] MAYBE A RECRAFTING, UH, OR WITHDRAWAL, MY FIRST EMO MOTION AND A RESTATEMENT OF THAT TO SAY, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THE REFERRAL OF ITEM SIX TO A D R C FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, AND APPROVAL OF THE, UH, CLEANING OF THE MASONRY RATHER THAN THE PAINTING WITH THE STIPULATION THAT CLEANING METHODS AND, UH, MATERIALS BE REVIEWED BY, UH, D BY O H P STAFF PRIOR TO APPLICATION APPROVAL OF THE WOOD DOOR, AS, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, DESCRIBED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, UPDATED MATERIAL CONCERNING THE DOOR BE BROUGHT TO, UH, O H P FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND A APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER NINE WITH A STIPULATION THAT A, UH, MOCK-UP BE APPROVED PRIOR TO FULL INSTALLATION OF THE ROOF CAT. I SECOND THAT, UH, AS WELL. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH COMMISSIONER FISH. HE'S GOING TO ABSTAIN ON THIS ONE. UM, S AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. ABSENT. AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. ROU. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. ZER. AYE. AND LAVO AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR UNDERSTANDING. I JUST, THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN SITTING LIKE THIS FOR A WHILE, AND I'M GLAD THAT SOMETHING IS BEING DONE FINALLY, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN REALLY LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT FOR MANY YEARS. ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE OF ONE MIND ON THAT. THANK YOU FOR GETTING US ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW FOR IT. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR, UH, GUIDANCE AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, HAVING A, A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT WITH YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 28. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 28 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022, UH, 0 14 2 0 7 ROOSEVELT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE PERFORM SITE. MODIFICATIONS INCLUDE THE ADDITION OF SURFACE PARKING, THE CREATION OF A CENTRAL COURTYARD AREA IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS OF SITE PAVING. TWO, CONSTRUCT A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 2,400 SQUARE FEET ADJACENT TO LONE STAR BOULEVARD. THREE, TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE NORTH OF THE HISTORIC TWO-STORY STRUCTURE. FOUR, TO MODIFY THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE STRUCTURE TO BECOME AN OPEN AIR PAVILION. FIVE, TO INSTALL AGRICULTURAL SILOS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE ADJACENT TO THE INTERSECTION OF ROOSEVELT AND LONE STAR BOULEVARD TO BECOME AN ENTRANCE ELEMENT. SIX, TO PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING TWO-STORY HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE REMOVAL OF ADDITIONS, REHABILITATION, ROOF REPLACEMENT, CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR PORCH, AN INSTALLATION OF A SHADE TRELLIS. SEVEN, PERFORMED FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THIS TWO-STORY HISTORIC STRUCTURE. AND EIGHT, TO PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING MAUSOLEUM STRUCTURE, INCLUDING APPLYING A NEW PLASTER STUCCO FINISH AND APPLYING AN, EXCUSE ME, AND MODIFYING THE EXISTING ROOF STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, SITE MODIFICATION, SERVICE, PARKING, AND SITE PAVING BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE LANDSCAPING PODS, CANOPY TREES, AND LANDSCAPE BUFFERING PER THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL, TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. UH, ONE THAT STUCCO IS APPLIED IN A MANNER THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MISSION. HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL IS NOTED IN FINDING H AND TWO THAT WINDOWS THAT MATCH THOSE PREVIOUSLY USED ON SITE OR WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS. AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING I AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DETAILED SIGNAGE PACKAGE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE H D R C STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF ENTRANCE ELEMENTS BASED ON FINDING M WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DETAILED SIGNAGE PACKAGE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE H D R C STAFF. RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, MODIFICATIONS TO THE TWO-STORY HISTORIC STRUCTURE, EXCUSE ME, TO THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF ADDITIONS, REHABILITATION, ROOF REPLACEMENT, AND THE INSTALLATION OF A TRELLIS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE, MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. FENESTRATION PATTERNS AND FACADE ARRANGEMENT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH. S A SMOOTH FINISH WITH [02:00:01] NO STRIATIONS IN THE STANDARD GAL. BALLOON FINISH SEAMS SHOULD BE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, AND THE STRUCTURE SHOULD FEATURE A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM. NO RIDGE CAP SHOULD BE INSTALLED. AND THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED REAR ADDITION SHOULD FEATURE A SUBORDINATE RIDGE HEIGHT. THE ORIGINAL ROOF FORM SHOULD BE DISTINGUISHABLE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THE REMOVAL OF EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDS ALL ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS BE MAINTAINED. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ONLY WINDOW OPENINGS LOCATED WITHIN THE CRAWL SPACE OR THE SKIRTING LOCATION BE REMOVED. AND FOR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, REHABILITATION TO THE MAUSOLEUM BASED ON FINDING YOU WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE STUCCO REPAIR AND GUTTER INSULATION BE DONE IN A TRADITIONAL MANNER. UM, THERE'S ALSO AN ARCHEOLOGY COMMENT, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION AS REQUIRED, THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND, UH, LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. THANK YOU. HELLO, I'M JERRY LAERS WITH AAM ARCHITECTS. WE'RE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT, AND I'M REPRESENTING, UH, BECKY DEVELOPMENT. I THINK JOE IS PROBABLY ON A LINE AND LISTENING FROM HIS OFFICE. SO WE ARE GONNA STIPULATE TO ALL OF THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF WITH ONE EXCEPTION I'D LIKE TO, UH, TALK ABOUT, WHICH IS NUMBER SEVEN. AND THOSE ARE THE CHANGES TO THE PENETRATION IN THE HOUSE. AND, UH, IF YOU'LL STOP THERE, I'LL, I'LL, UH, GO BACK ONE. SO THE, OR I'D BE GLAD TO GO THROUGH THE PROJECT REAL QUICK. IT'S KIND OF A BIG, UH, A LOT GOING ON ON THIS SIDE. IF, IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU'LL, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO DO THAT. SO THE PROJECT 2 0 7 ROOSEVELT, THE OWNER AND BACK DEVELOPMENT, THEIR OFFICES ARE ALREADY THERE. THEY CONVERTED THE OLD, UM, WIPES AND RAGS WAREHOUSE TO THEIR OFFICE. THEIR VISION FOR THE PROJECT IS A, BASICALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD ENTERTAINMENT CENTER WITH A FOCUSED ON, UH, UH, OUTDOOR, UH, LAWN. OUR, OUR GARDEN. UM, THE SITE ITSELF IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL, THE MISSION REACH. AND SO IT'S A FABULOUS LOCATION. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING LIKE THIS DOWN IN THAT, UM, UH, AREA OF TOWN. UH, THE GOAL FOR THE PROJECT IS REALLY FOR IT TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD TWO BUILDINGS. THE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS A FOUR LEASE BUILDING. IT WILL HAVE, UH, LARGE GLASS OPEN HEAD DOORS THAT OPENS OUT TO THE, TO THE LAWN, THE PAVILION THAT'S LABELED ON THE PLANS. THAT'S THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE THAT'S INTENDED TO BE AN OUTDOOR DINING AND RECREATION AREA. AND, UM, ONE OF THE UNIQUE FEATURES OF IT IS THE CLIENT IS PROPOSING TO, UH, PUT A GRASS ROOF ON IT OR A, UM, A VEGETATIVE ROOF IS PROBABLY IN OUR CLIMATE A BETTER, UH, TERM FOR IT. UM, IT HAS A SMALL ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT WILL, THAT WILL SERVICE THAT BUILDING. AND THEN THE HOUSE, WHICH IS, UH, SOME OF THE OBJECTIONS AT THE HOU THE STAFF RAISE IS, UM, GOING TO, UH, THE GOAL FOR IT IS FOR IT TO BE A SMALL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT OR A CAFE OR A SMALL RESTAURANT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WILL REQUIRE IS WE THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE A STRONGER CONNECTION TO THE, UM, TO THE OUTDOOR AREA THAT'S ENCLOSED WITHIN THE SITE. SO, UM, THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION MODIFICATION WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THREE BAY WINDOW THAT YOU SEE IN THE ELEVATION RIGHT THERE. WE, ON THE, THAT'S THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THAT'S UH, UH, MARK THERE. WE'D LIKE TO CONVERT THAT INTO A GLASS DOOR SO THAT WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE, UH, RESTAURANT, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO OUT ONTO THE PATIO. AND OUR DRAWINGS WERE ONLY SHOWING A DOUBLE DOOR, BUT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO MATCH THE OPENING SIZE, WHETHER IT BE TWO DOORS OR, OR EVEN ONE DOOR IN THE MIDDLE. THE, THE FENESTRATION OPENING ITSELF WOULD NOT CHANGE. WE WOULD FIT THE DOORS TO THAT WINDOW OPENING. AND THEN, AND THE, YEAH, SO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE, TO BE EITHER A THREE PART WINDOW, I MEAN, UH, THREE PART, UH, WITH EITHER TWO DOORS OR ONE WINDOW, OR ONE DOOR AND TWO, TWO WINDOWS. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND IT'S BETWEEN IT AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING. THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE A SERVICE DOOR. YOU SEE THAT OPENING THERE? WE THINK IT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR ONE DOOR LEAF. AND IF WE GO TO THE RENDERINGS, WHICH ARE AFTER THIS ED, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE, THE, UH, THAT'S THE DOOR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO IT'S ACTUALLY BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDING, SORRY, BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS. UM, AND THE GOAL WITH THE ACCESSORY BUILDING, AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE HOUSE IS LEASED UP, BUT POTENTIALLY IT MIGHT BE A RESTAURANT. AND, AND THE VENDORS THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PUT THE KITCHEN INSIDE THE HOUSE, THEY THINK IT MIGHT BE A BETTER IDEA TO HAVE THE ACCESSORY BUILDING BE THE KITCHEN, AND THEN IT COULD BE THE KITCHEN FOR THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. SO YOU COULD SERVE THE REST OF THE LAWN, THE PAVILION, ALL FROM THAT ACCESSORY BUILDING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IS A DIRECT DOOR [02:05:01] FROM THE ACCESSORY BUILDING TO THE HOUSE. AND THEN ON THE, THE, THE, I THINK IT'S THE PREVIOUS ONE, ED? NO, THAT ONE. WE'RE, WE'RE JUST SHOWING IT AS WIDED OUT THERE NOW. BUT THAT'S THE WINDOW I'M, UH, THAT, THAT THE, THE STAFF IS OBJECTED TO IN TERMS OF CONVERTING IT. AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO THAT PATIO. ONE OF THE REASONS WE DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE BACK IS THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, DOOR ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND WE'VE CREATED A SPIRAL STAIRCASE TO TAKE YOU FROM THE SECOND FLOOR DOWN TO THE PATIO, BASICALLY. AND THAT SHOWS UP IN THE RENDERINGS TOO. UM, UH, YEAH, THERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT. THAT'S A, THAT TREE'S EXISTING, IT'S A EXISTING, UH, HERITAGE, UH, TREE THAT'S THERE. SO THAT'S, UH, THE PROJECT. I'VE ONLY FOCUSED ON THE THINGS THEY'VE OBJECTED TO, BUT, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRS. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR. UM, CAN YOU GO TO THE PICTURE, ASK STAFF TO GO TO THE PICTURE THAT SHOWS THE TWO BUILDINGS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THE PROPOSED KITCHEN BUILDING. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT. WELL, THE, THE PICTURE I THINK TELLS IS BETTER. YOU HAD IT A SECOND AGO. YEAH. YOU, I'M SORRY. PHOTO OR RENDERING? THE PHOTO, THE, WELL, THE RENDERING, IT'S, IT LOOKS LIKE A PHOTO, BUT IT'S A RENDER. YEAH, IT'S NEXT ONE. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. NEXT ONE, SIR. IS THERE, IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON WHY, UH, Y'ALL HAVE CHOSEN TO DESIGN THAT? THE ROOF PITCH SLOPING TOWARD THE BUILDING? WE WERE JUST TRYING TO, ALONG THE STREET FACADE AND, AND WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE ELEVATIONS, THAT PITCH OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING MATCHES THE PITCH OF THE HOUSE. SO IT WAS INTENDED TO BE KIND OF A, UM, SUBORDINATE TO THAT IN TERMS OF DESIGN. WELL, I, I'M, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S, THIS IS A, A SITUATION THAT COMES UP HERE, HERE AND THERE. WE JUST HAD A HOUSE DESIGN THAT DID THIS. AND IT TO, TO ME, IT'S, IT IS LIKE A CONDITION THAT OCCURS WITHOUT ANY, ANY CONTROL OVER IT. AND IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT HAVE THAT ROOF SLOPE BACK TOWARD THE OTHER BUILDING, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER. UM, AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT FORM OR WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, OR HOW YOU ACHIEVE THAT, OR WHETHER THERE'S A, A, ANOTHER HIP RUNNING INTO THE OTHER BUILDING TO GET THE WATER SO THAT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T CREATE A CONDITION THAT HARDLY EVER WORKS OUT IN A HEAVY, HEAVY RAIN. RIGHT. THAT, UH, THAT IF IT'S GUIDELINES THAT YOU FOLLOWED, I WOULD REALLY PROPOSE, UH, OR SUGGEST THAT YOU PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT, THAT NOT ONLY WORKS FOR YOUR KITCHEN, NOT ONLY WORKS FOR THE DESIGN GUIDELINE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME DOESN'T CREATE A WATER PROBLEM BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR MAIN OBJECTIVE, RIGHT, IN TERMS OF ROOF PITCHES SHOULD BE THE MITIGATION OF WATER FLOW RIGHT. OF, IN THE WRONG DIRECTIONS. UM, SO I, I, I HOPE THAT'S NOT LIMITING. I HOPE IT'S MORE EMPOWERING THAN LIMITING. UH, AND JUST AS A GENERAL COMMENT, I, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE OWNERS ARE OR, OR WHAT, BUT, UH, KEPT AN, AN EYE, THIS IS A GATEWAY INTO DISTRICT THREE MM-HMM. AND HAVE KEPT AN EYE OF THE PROJECT. AND I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU, JUST AS AN OBSERVER, I HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY PROUD OF THE, OF THE WORK THAT, THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE. IT CAME BEFORE US EARLY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, UM, TOMBSTONE, UH, UH, PART OF IT. AND, UH, IT'S REALLY, REALLY WELL DONE, REALLY GOOD CRAFTSMANSHIP. SO I COMMEND Y'ALL. THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT EDWARD. IF YOU GO TO PLAN 27 OR SHEET 27, UH, ON THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, YES, THERE'S INFILL EXISTING OPENING AS PART OF NEW EXTERIOR WALL, AND THEN REMOVE INFILL TO EXPOSE ORIGINAL WINDOW. SO THE INFILL WAS NOT AN ORIGINAL OPENING, CORRECT? UH, WHICH WINDOW ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT'S, UH, IN THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER. YES. THAT WINDOW, IT'S, AND YOU CAN SEE IT, UM, FROM THE PICTURES TOO. IT, IT'S LIKE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS PUT IN, BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME STYLE OR, UM, UH, TYPE OF WINDOW. AND IT'S NOT THE SAME, UH, IN THAT PICTURE, IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, [02:10:02] THAT'S THE WINDOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SEE WHERE THE, THE BACK DOOR IS THERE, SEE HOW IT'S SLIGHTLY LOWER AND, AND TO THE LEFT, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE, THE, THE DOOR JAM THERE. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT WHAT LOOKS LIKE A STUCCO ADDITION YOU'RE CALLING TO REMOVE. YES. IT'S, BUT THEN INSIDE THE BUILDING, ONCE YOU REMOVE THAT, YOU'RE EXPOSING AN ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN INFILLING A NON-ORIGINAL OPENING, CORRECT. THAT'S ALL CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, LOOKING AT THAT SAME DRAWING SHEET, 27 MM-HMM. AND LOOKING AT THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, UH, EVEN THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN, I SUPPOSE, UH, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE EXTENT OF THE PROPOSED HIP ROOF IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING BACK VOLUME? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT, THAT ROOF LOOKS LIKE IT'S REALLY PROJECTING QUITE FAR OUT. YEAH. THE, THE, THIS IS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA, UH, MODIFY IS THAT WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING IS WE WERE JUST MATCHING THE EXISTING ROOF AND PROJECTING IT OVER THE BACK PORCH. AND THEY WOULD LIKE US TO, UM, COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT, UM, RIDGE LINE AND, AND A DIFFERENT, UM, EAVE LINE SO THAT THERE YOU CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE EXISTING ROOF AND THE NEW ROOF, WHICH WILL STIPULATE TO DO. RIGHT. BUT IS IT ACTUALLY LARGER? I MEAN, THE, THE RENDERING MAKES IT LOOK LIKE ITS, IT'S THE SAME. IT, IT'S, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THE RIDGE AND FOLLOWING THE EVE THAT, BUT FROM THE BACKSIDE WE HAVE TWO NEW PIERS, TWO NEW BRICK Y YEAH. SUPPORTS. ARE THOSE IN THE SAME LOCATION AS, SAY, FOR INSTANCE, THIS ADDITION THAT'S BEING REMOVED? UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, IF THAT'S YOUR QUESTION. YES. YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING A COVERED BACK PATIO BASICALLY WITH THAT. APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY MORE SQUARE FEET ARE YOU ADDING TO THE, TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE CAN GO TO THE SITE PLANET AND I CAN, UH, ESTIMATE IT OR CAN YOU GUESS HOW MANY FEET FROM THAT REMOVED? 3,500 SQUARE FEET. IT'S NOT SUPER LARGE, BUT SEE THE LITTLE ON THE HOUSE, THE LITTLE OUTLINE AREA, UH, ON THE LEFT, THAT, UH, JAGGED LINE IS THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE NOW, NOT INCLUDING THE, THE C M U, IT'S THE EDGE OF THE HIGH ROOF. UM, AND THEN THE LOW, UH, ADDITION STICKS OUT MAYBE 16 FEET. SO WE'RE MAYBE A FOOT OR TWO, TWO FEET BEYOND THAT. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT CONTRIBUTES TO THAT MASSIVE ROOF IS JUST THE SHEER, THE DISTANCE. IT'S, IT'S THE DISTANCE AND IT'S THE, UH, FASCIA LENGTH RELATIVE TO WHAT'S LEFT OF THE HOUSE BENEATH IT. MM-HMM. . BUT, BUT WE'RE GONNA COME BACK AND YEAH. MODIFY THAT. SO IT, IT IS SECONDARY, SO. SUPER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. YES. AND, UH, LIKE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN WATCHING THIS, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN EARLIER ITERATIONS OF THIS PROPERTY AND WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR THE, OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT WERE THERE ORIGINALLY. UM, UM, SOME, I'M ENCOURAGED TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, JUST TO HAVE A FEW KIND OF MORE GLOBAL MASTER PLAN TYPE QUESTIONS. DOES YOUR CLIENT STILL OWN THE PORT PARCEL ACROSS THE, THE PEDE, THE PEDESTRIAN SLASH YES, THEY DO RAIL BRIDGE. MM-HMM. . UM, HAS THAT FACTORED INTO YOUR SITE PLANNING OF ANY KIND OF, UH, LABOR PHASE? IT DOES. IT, IT, AND I MEAN, WE WEREN'T, UM, GOING, UM, GOING FOR THAT APPROVAL TODAY. THEY RECENTLY JUST CLOSED ON THAT PROPERTY, SO THEY HAD BEEN, UH, TRYING TO ACQUIRE IT FOR A WHILE. BUT THE, THE LONG-TERM INTENT IS THERE'S THE ABANDONED RAIL BRIDGE THAT'S, UH, JUST AT THE END OF OUR, WELL, YOU CAN SEE IT, AND THAT WE WOULD MODIFY THAT PROPOSED PARKING. UH, THERE'S ALSO A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A GROUP THAT JIM BAILEY, ONE OF MY PARTNERS, IS WORKING WITH TO CREATE A TRAIL OR A BIKE TRAIL THAT CONNECTS MISSION TO SATO. AND SO IT MAY COME ACROSS THAT BRIDGE AND ACROSS, AND SO OUR LONG-TERM PLAN IS TO, TO COME BACK AND REDO THAT PARKING LOT FOR WHATEVER THE NEXT PHASE MIGHT BE, TO MAKE A CONNECTION DOWN, UH, TO, UH, I GUESS TO THE WEST SIDE. GOOD. I'M, I'M ENCOURAGED TO HEAR THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S KIND OF A MISSED OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW. NO, WE'RE AS IT'S, AS IT'S CURRENTLY CONCEPTUALLY BEING DEPICTED. AND, AND I THINK THAT WILL NEED SOME WORK AT THAT JUNCTURE BETWEEN THE END OF THE PARKING AND, AND THAT BRIDGE. 'CAUSE IT'S JUST TOO UNIQUE AND ASSET. YEAH. WE, THE PARKING YOU SEE HERE IS REALLY JUST FOR PHASE ONE. IT WOULD BE COMPLETE, AND WE MAY EVEN PUT A BUILDING THERE OR A BUILDING THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT BRIDGE SOMEHOW IN THAT, UH, UH, EAST TO WEST CONNECTION. YEAH. AND, AND HE AND, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUE HAS NAMED IT PERFECTLY, AND HOW WE ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT IS THIS IS A REALLY [02:15:01] IMPORTANT GATEWAY TO, TO, UH, THE MISSION DISTRICT. AND SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, THAT IT, I, I THINK THAT CONNECTION TO THE BRIDGE NEEDS TO IMPACT THAT PARKING. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT BY VIRTUE THE FACT THAT THIS REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A BACK DOOR, YOU KNOW, AND YOU, YOU'RE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, HOW ARE YOU ENVISIONING DEALING WITH THE SORT OF SERVICE COMPONENTS, PARTICULARLY WITH FOOD, UM, DUMPSTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT? SINCE THIS IS GONNA BE, WE'LL HAVE TO CREATE AN ENCLOSURE FOR IT, UM, WHICH WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT SHOWING. THE, THE CURRENT IDEAS, IT WOULD BE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PARKING LOT, UM, IN, IN A, YOU KNOW, WALLED IN ENCLOSURE LIKE YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE. UM, AND THOSE KINDS OF, THESE KINDS OF, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, I MEAN THE, THE, THE TYPICAL WAY THEY CONTROL ALL THE DELIVERIES IS THEY MAKE THEM HAPPEN EARLY IN THE MORNING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO IT. AND BECAUSE IT, AS YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BACKDOOR, YOU CAN ACTUALLY, AND I DON'T, THERE, THERE WILL BE, UM, VEHICLE, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE FIRE ACCESS SO THEY CAN DRIVE AND IT, AND POTENTIALLY IN THE RENDERINGS YOU'LL SEE A VAN SITTING IN THERE. SO ONE IDEA IS, UH, THAT THEY HAVE IS THAT FOOD TRUCKS CAN COME IN AND, AND BE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE, AND THAT'S THE EARLY IDEA BEFORE THEY GET TENANTS IN. BUT YOU CAN DRIVE, UM, FROM, UH, ROOSEVELT STREET HERE, THE GRADE IS GONNA BE GENTLE ENOUGH THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DRIVE THERE AND TURN AROUND AND COME OUT. AND FINAL QUESTION, AND MAY, MAYBE IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, IN THE BAKING STAGE, BUT FOR THE PARKING, UM, ARE YOU GOING TO INTRODUCE ANY SORT OF, UH, PARKING, PLANTING TREES, THINGS LIKE THAT TO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT FEELS KIND OF STARK AND IN THE EFFORT TO SORT OF EXTEND THE PARK YEAH. THAT'S TO THE SOUTH, KIND OF BRING THAT QUALITY AND SORT OF REHEAL THIS AREA THAT WAS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN RELEGATED TO THE, TO THE RAILROAD AND SURE. THE KIND OF THE NASTY, UH, YOU KNOW, EDGES THERE. IT'D BE NICE TO REGREEN SOME OF THAT YES. IN YOUR THINKING. AND, UM, FROM A, EXCUSE ME, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, UH, THE MISSION MANUAL ACTUALLY, UH, GIVES A RATIO, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT TO FOLLOW, WHICH THEY'VE AGREED TO. SO, UH, THE PARKING LOT WILL ACTUALLY, UH, BE REVISED TO FEATURE ISLANDS AND, AND, AND SHADE TREES AND VARIOUS THINGS. SO, UH, IT, IT WILL IN A SENSE EXTEND THE PARK, UM, AND PROVIDE A, A VEGETATIVE BUFFERING. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TRUMAN. SURE. YES, I'VE, UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE OTHER, UH, COMMENTS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MORE. OKAY. IF WE GO TO THE DRAWING 32, WHICH IS THE ELEVATION, THAT, THAT'S IT. UM, I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH STAFF THAT THE ROOF LINE AND, AND PROBABLY THE USE OF BRICK COLUMNS ON THAT, UH, SOUTH PA UH, PORCH, UH, SHOULD BE STUDIED AGAIN ALONG WITH THE ROOF LINE SO THAT IT DOESN'T, UM, LOOK LIKE IT HAD BEEN PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. THAT THE HISTORIC PART OF THE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE PROMINENT. AND SO, UH, POSSIBLY A DIFFERENT FRAMING SYSTEM WHERE IT'S, UH, MAYBE WOOD FRAMED, YOU SEE WOOD COLUMNS RATHER THAN BRICK COLUMNS. AND THEN, UH, LOOK AT YOUR ROOF FORMS, UH, IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING HIP ROOF. BUT, UH, DEFINITELY LOOK AT THE DEVELOP AS YOU DEVELOP THIS REAR PORCH THAT IT, THAT THE HISTORIC PART OF THE HOUSE, UH, IS PROMINENT. OKAY, SURE. IT'S A REAL STRUGGLE, MR. CHAIR? UM, YES, SIR. UM, I, I, I'D LIKE JUST LIKE TO COMMENT BECAUSE I, I THINK IT KIND OF FLEW RIGHT BY US. THE, THE TREATMENT OF THE DOOR WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOWS I THINK IS VERY WELL HANDLED. UH, THE BUILDING IS OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, THE ENTIRE SITE HAS CHANGED. SO I THINK IT GIVES, IT CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LITTLE BIT OF LIBERTY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, UH, ALTERATIONS FOR FUNCTIONALITY, BUT WITH WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE ACTUAL, UH, OF THE THING IN ITSELF. AND I, I THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AT, AT, AT DOING THAT. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEY WANNA GET FROM THIS ONE SPOT TO ANOTHER PLACE, NOT IN THE, IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT OF THE SMALL COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT, BUT REALLY ONE THAT'S GONNA, UH, THAT'S PROPOSING TO MOVE PEOPLE. SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FLY BY. THAT, THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE A VERY, VERY APPROPRIATE, UM, UM, OPPORTUNITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IS HANDLED WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, THANK YOU. AND I'LL, AND [02:20:01] I'LL, UH, CONCUR WITH MR. ER'S ASSESSMENT OF THAT TRIPLE WINDOW AND, UH, HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN KEEP THE SAME, UH, PATTERN, WHETHER IT'S TWO, TWO WINDOW, UH, TWO DOORS WITH A SIDELIGHT OR A SINGLE DOOR WITH TWO SIDELIGHTS OR WHATEVER. BUT, UH, BASICALLY WORKING WITHIN THE EXISTING, UH, FRAMING. OKAY. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER LA? YES, SIR. UH, WILL THE APPLICANT CONFIRM THAT THAT CENTRAL GREEN SPACE WILL BE NATURAL TURF AND NOT ARTIFICIAL? YES, IT'LL BE NATURAL TURF, JOHN. GREAT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL ATTEMPT ONE. IT'S A, IT'S A COMPLEX PROJECT, SO IF I MUFF THIS, I HOPE PEOPLE WILL DO THE ASSIST. UM, SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE THROUGH SIX AND NUMBER EIGHT. UM, THAT'S IT. I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. I'LL SECOND IT. MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION AND ROLL CALL PLEASE? JUST ONE QUICK DISCUSSION ON THE REMOVAL OF THE, THE TRIPLE OF WINDOWS, ARE YOU GOING TO SALVAGE THOSE AND MAYBE MAKE USE OF THEM ELSEWHERE? YES. THE, YEAH, JOE, THE OWNER IS, HE'S A, A SALVA TOWN, SO WHEN THE OTHER BUILDINGS WENT DOWN, HE SAVED EVERYTHING, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. COULD, UH, STAFF GET CLARIFICATION? UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I HEARD ONE THROUGH SIX AND EIGHT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UH, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN, UH, AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT? YEAH, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ABSENT ? AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES. ER AYE. AND LA AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEE HOW THE PROJECT DEVELOPS AND IF YOU, UH, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A D R C TO REVIEW, UH, YEAH, WE MIGHT DO THAT WITH THE ROOF, ESPECIALLY, IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED, RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 29 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 0 2 2 6 19. DAWSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ADMINISTRATION PATTERN BY REMOVING TWO SIDE LIGHT WINDOWS AT THE REAR DOORS AND INCREASING THE WIDTH OF THE REAR DOORS AND INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE SIDE LIGHT WINDOW ADJACENT TO THE FRONT DOOR. AND TWO, TO INSTALL COMPOSITE SIDING FEATURING, FEATURING A SEVEN INCH EXPOSURE IN FO WOOD GRAIN FINISH. IN LIEU OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COMPOSITE SIDING, STIPULATED A FEATURE AND EXPOSURE OF FOUR INCHES AND A SMOOTH FINISH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, FENESTRATION AMENDMENTS AS SUBMITTED, BASED ON FINDING B STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE INSTALLATION OF COMPOSITE SIDING FEATURING A SEVEN INCH EXPOSURE AND FO WOOD GRAIN FINISH BASED ON FINDING. C. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS SHOULD BE FOLLOWED. THAT, SORRY, UH, THAT SIDING SHOULD FEATURE A FOUR-INCH EXPOSURE AND A SMOOTH FINISH. UM, BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. MS. MS. GONZALEZ, ARE YOU THERE? YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE MS. GONZALEZ. UH, NICOLE, UM, IF YOU, UH, THIS IS EDWARD. IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO UNMUTE. UM, WE'RE READY NOW. I SEE WHERE YOU'VE JOINED, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU IF YOU'RE SPEAKING [02:25:14] MS. GONZALEZ, ONE MORE TIME BEFORE WE TRY TO CALL YOU AND THEN WE, WE MIGHT MOVE ON TO ANOTHER CASE WHILE WE DO THAT. YES. LET'S MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER 30. ALRIGHT, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 30 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2 2 2 0 2 6 4 11 NORTH MONUMENTAL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TRIANGULAR GABLE VENT TO A TRADITIONAL RECTANGULAR VENT AND TWO TO INSTALL COMPOSITE SIDING, FEATURING A SEVEN INCH EXPOSURE IN FO WOOD GRAIN FINISH. IN LIEU OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COMPOSITE SIDING, STIPULATED TO FEATURE AND EXPOSURE FOUR INCHES AND SMOOTH FINISH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE MODIFICATION TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GABLE VENT BASED ON FINDING B STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE INSTALLATION OF COMPOSITE SIDING FEATURING A SEVEN INCH EXPOSURE AND FO WOOD GRAIN FINISH BASED ON FINDING. C. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS SHOULD BE FOLLOWED AND THAT SIDING SHOULD FEATURE A FOUR INCH EXPOSURE IN A SMOOTH FINISH. UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LISA. SO I SENT EDWARD A COUPLE PHOTOS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, NEIGHBORS AND SOME OF THEM HAVE THE EXACT SAME SIGHTING. SO I THINK I SENT MORE THAN 10 IDENT, UM, UH, EXAMPLES ALSO I HAVE HERE, UM, BASED BASICALLY DUE DUE TO PANDEMIC. IT'S VERY HARD RIGHT NOW TO FIND THE SMOOTH SIDING. UH, THE, THE ONLY CHANGE IS THAT WE HAVE THE GRAIN. UM, THE TEXTURE IS NOT SMOOTH MATERIAL, SO I'M ASKING FOR AN APPROVAL JUST ON THIS CASE. I HAVE SOME, SOME PICTURES THAT SHOW THAT SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE THE, THE EXACT SAME SIDING THAT WE USED. SO I HAVE, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS? YES, WE HAVE. UM, THERE ARE LETTERS, UM, IN YOUR, UH, FOLDERS, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THESE. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. COMMISSIONER, QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, IN A LOT OF CASES THE, THE TEXTURED SIDING HAS A SMOOTH SIDE ON THE BACK. MM-HMM. , HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO FIND A PRODUCT THAT MIGHT ALLOW YOU JUST TO FLIP IT AROUND? WE RECENTLY DID FIND ONE, BUT IT, I MEAN, WE ALREADY INSTALLED THE ONE THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS MORE SIMILAR TO IT, BUT DEFINITELY ON THE FUTURE WE CAN FIND BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE. RIGHT. THE SHORTAGE RIGHT NOW, WE CAN FLIP IT SO IT WON'T BE AN ISSUE ON THE FUTURE. OKAY. AND ARE YOU, DO, DO YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE EXPOSURE OF UH, YES. I THINK ON THE APPROVAL WAS, UH, SMALLER FOUR. NOW WE, YES. MM-HMM. , IT'S REALLY HARD RIGHT NOW WITH THE PANDEMIC. PANDEMIC. SO THIS, THIS PRODUCT HAS ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED IS WHAT I'M HEARING? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, AND I THINK EDWARD HAS SOME, SOME PHOTOS ON HOW IT LOOKS. JUST COMMISSIONER SAVINA. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. MS. NA NAVE. NAVE. NAVE. UM, SO, UM, THE MAIN REASON YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE SUBSTITUTION IS BECAUSE OF THE DIFFICULTY IN FINDING THIS MATERIAL? YES. AND HAVE YOU UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT IT'S A COMMON ENOUGH MATERIAL. YEAH. WELL WE THOUGHT THE SAME, BUT ACTUALLY HARDY, WHICH IS A BRAND UHHUH, UH, THAT WE WORK STOP PRODUCTION ENTIRELY. THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU'RE USING THE ARTISAN. YES, CORRECT. OKAY. UM, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER SUBSTITUTIONS? YES, BUT I MEAN THE HARDY THAT IT'S FIVE OR CEMENT THAT WE WANT TO USE INSTEAD OF WOOD MM-HMM. , IT'S, IT WAS A COMPLETELY PROBLEM THROUGH THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS. SO THEY COMPLETELY STOPPED THE PRODUCTION. I DO HAVE AN EMAIL RIGHT HERE FROM MY SUPPLIER, I DON'T KNOW. MM-HMM. , I WANT, IF ANYONE CAN WANT TO SEE IT, ABOUT THE SHORTAGE OF MATERIAL FROM THAT SPECIFIC, UH, MATERIAL AND FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION'S KNOWLEDGE. UM, THE CASE BEFORE THIS ONE THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD TO POSTPONE MOMENTARILY, UM, THAT APPLICANT HAS, UH, THE SAME ISSUE AS THIS CASE, AND THEN THERE'S A CASE AFTER THAT HAS THE SAME ISSUE. UM, I JUST FOR YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT, UM, I, WHEN I SUGGEST A SUBSTITUTION, IT'S, UM, THE [02:30:01] ARTISAN HAS A FOUR INCH EXPOSURE MM-HMM. , AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE PROMINENT, BUT THE HARDY PRODUCT MAKES A, A REGULAR LAP SIDING. YEAH. THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE COST EFFECTIVE. AND BASED ON MY RESEARCH IS, UM, ACQUIRABLE IN THREE TO FIVE DAYS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. MR. CHAIR. UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS I THINK ABOUT WHAT IS, UM, THE CONVERSATION IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE, THE FUTURE IS MEANT TO FIND PANDEMIC PERIOD IN THE STRATA OF, OF HOW ARCHITECTURE IS ACCOMPLISHED IN THIS PERIOD, WHICH I'M SURE IT WILL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT, UM, IT'S VERY, VERY RELEVANT. THE, THE SITUATION THAT THE APPLICANT FINDS THEMSELVES IN. IT'S, UM, I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE ALL SHARE IN, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AND, UM, IT'S PROBABLY MORE PROACTIVE TO ENABLE THIS APPLICANT TO, UH, ACCOMPLISH THE PROJECT THE WAY THAT, THAT, THAT THEY CAN, BECAUSE IN THE PRESENTATION IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THEY'VE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO, TO DO, UH, WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THEM. AND IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE OF PROBABLY WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT CORY MENTIONED WITH THE CASE THAT THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR, UH, THAT PERHAPS WE SHOULD MAKE WAY FOR THE PANDEMIC TO, TO, FOR US TO RECOGNIZE HOW IT MANIFESTS IN THE ARCHITECTURE. THE, THE SHORTAGES IS, IS UM, IS VERY REAL, SHORTAGES ARE VERY REAL. UM, AND, UM, THEY'VE ALREADY DONE SOMETHING IN A PARTICULAR WAY. THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO COMPLETE IT IN THAT WAY. THANK YOU, SIR. COULD, UH, STAFF JUMP IN FOR ONE SECOND, UM, AND, UM, MAYBE SEE IF THE COMMISSION WOULD ENTERTAIN THIS? UM, THE NEXT CASE IS THE, THE SAME REQUEST, THE SAME APPLICANT. UM, IF THE COMMISSION FINDS IT TO BE APPROPRIATE, INSTEAD OF US HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION TWICE IN THE SAME MOTION TWICE, UM, TO DISCUSS BOTH OF THESE SIMULTANEOUSLY AND TO HAVE A MOTION FOR BOTH CASES. UM, IF, IF THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT TO BE APPROPRIATE, THEN UM, THAT MAY, UM, SAVE OURSELVES AND OUR APPLICANT SOME TIME. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. WELL, MR. CHAIR, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. MY ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT I LOGGED IN WITH AN IPAD 'CAUSE I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IN WITH THE COMPUTER AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A COMPLEX MOTION EXCEPT TO MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. AND THAT THAT WOULD GO FOR BOTH THIS CASE AND THE PREVIOUS CASE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER, UH, CLARIFICATION, THIS CASE AND THE NEXT CASE. SO ITEMS 30 AND 31 ARE THIS APPLICANT? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, UH, ITEMS 30 AND 31. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GOOD. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS ALMA LOZANO. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. MR. VELAZQUEZ IS NOT VISIBLE, SO, UM, HIS MO SOMEONE ELSE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION. UH, I CAN, I CAN JUST REMAKE THE MOTION. I, I, I SAID I'M ON AN IPAD SO IT'S A LITTLE ODD FOR ME. RIGHT. I THINK IT'S GONNA TURN ON R NOW. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION FOR ITEM 30 AND 31 TO, UH, APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AVIN. AND DOES A SECOND APPROVE? I SECOND THE MOTION? YES. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS, REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME. AYE, FISH COMMISSIONER FISH, ARE YOU PRESENT? AYE. SAVINA. NAYYY. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ABSENT MA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GRO A ANTE? YES, THAT SIR. AYE. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER 29, WHICH IS SIX 19 DAWSON, UH, HERE NOW. UM, SO THAT ITEM HAS ALREADY BEEN READ INTO THE RECORD IN REGARDS TO THE REQUEST AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. UH, SO I BELIEVE RACHEL IS HERE NOW WITH THE APPLICANT. [02:35:02] HI, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, WE CAN. OKAY, GREAT. WE ALMOST THOUGHT WE LOST YOU. UM, UH, THIS IS NICOLE GONZALEZ AND CESAR SOLTER WE'RE THE CONTRACTORS. HI, MY NAME. HI, THIS IS CESAR SORE. WE'RE THE CONTRACTORS AT 6 1 9 DAWSON STREET. UM, WE, UH, THE, THE SPECIFICATIONS, UH, PROVIDED BY THE OWNER, UH, CALLED FOR AN ARTISAN LINE, UH, HARDY, UH, FIVE AND A QUARTER INCHES OF, UH, OF EXPOSURE. UM, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH OUR SUPPLIER AND THAT, UH, THAT ARTISAN LINE HAS SINCE BEEN, UH, HAS SINCE BEEN DISCONTINUED AND HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED SINCE MARCH OF 2021. UM, AND IN ORDER TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FAST TRACK AND EXPEDITE CONSTRUCTION, UH, WE MADE THE MOVE TO PURCHASE, UH, LAP SIDING, UH, HARDY, UH, CEDAR MILL LAP SIDING, UH, WHICH WAS READILY AVAILABLE AND, UH, DIDN'T SUFFER THE COST INCREASES THAT, UH, MOST, UH, SIDING PANELS, UH, HAD SUFFERED. UH, AND THE LAST, UH, YEAR OR SO, UM, WE PROCEEDED WITH, UH, WITH INSTALLATION. AND, UH, AND THEN, UH, BEFORE WE KNEW IT, WE, WE, UH, WE WERE, UH, THE OWNER PUT, UH, PUT A, A STOP FOR THIS BECAUSE WE, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS, OBVIOUSLY. WE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF NEW FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION THING. AND, UH, AND SO WE JUST, WE, WE HAVE TO PUT A STOP TO THIS AND, AND GET PROPER APPROVALS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS? JUST THE SAME LETTER, I BELIEVE, BUT, UH, THE CITIZEN IS, IS, UM, THE HOMEOWNER IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, SO THAT'S, UM, SHE ASKED US TO STEP IN FOR HER. WE, WE DO HAVE A, A, A VOICEMAIL FROM, UH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, OKAY, NEIGHBOR. HELLO AND GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET IN DIG WHITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 2 5 AT SIX 19 DAWSON STREET. I SUPPORT STAFF WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT THE INCREASE IN LENGTH OF THE FRONT SIDE WINDOW, STARTING AT THE FLOOR AS SHOWN IN THE UPDATE FOR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE, AS FAR, AS FAR AS WE KNOW? NO, NO FENESTRATION CHANGES WILL HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE HOUSE. WE'RE SIMPLY REFERRING TO THE SIDE LIGHTS, THE BY THE FRONT DOOR AND THE REAR DOORS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH? YES, SIR. UM, IN TERMS OF THE SIDING, I THINK I HAVE THE SAME POSITION I HAD ON THE PREVIOUS TWO CASES, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE. SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE AND ITEM TWO. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES. ZER. AYE. AND THE PHONE A MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LEAVE. WE'RE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 33. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 33 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 6 24 7 0 2 HAYES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT AN 800 SQUARE FOOT, SECOND STORY EDITION ITEMS 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE FRONT FACADE AND THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST ELEVATIONS. AND SIX, INSTALL A REAR PORCH AND BALCONY. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES [02:40:01] NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY EDITION. BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY SHOWING THE VISIBILITY OF THE TWO STORY REAR ADDITION FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIES THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM ON THE ADDITION TO REDUCE THE VIS VISIBILITY FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BASED ON FINDING E THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN, WINDOW OPENING PROPORTIONS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS AND THE HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND IN THE NUITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS F THROUGH H FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOWS AS NOTED IN FINDING G FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN, ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS I THROUGH K. ITEM FIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE WEST ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINS THE SMALL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CHIMNEY. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGES THE SMALL WINDOW REMOVED FROM THE WEST ELEVATION AND STORES THE WINDOW ON SITE FOR USE IN FUTURE REHABILITATION OR CONSTRUCTION. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD WINDOWS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND ITEM SIX STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REAR PORCH AND BALCONY INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING M STAFF FINDS THAT AN UPDATED REQUEST TO INSTALL A REAR PORCH AND STEPS WITH THE PROPOSED BALCONY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. OH, GO AHEAD. SORRY. WE WANNA MAINTAIN OBVIOUSLY THE FRONT OF THE HOME. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT REMOVING ONE OF THE DOORS, BUT WE REPLACED THE DOOR THERE. AND THEN ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE ALSO HAD WAS KIND OF SHOWING A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENTIATING THE TOP FROM THE BOTTOM SO THAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE STICKS OUT. UM, AND ALSO MAINTAINING THE CHIMNEY ON THE SIDE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE, THE, THE DECK ON THE BACK. WE REMOVED THE STAIRS GOING UP TO THE PORCH. SO, UM, AND ALSO MAINTAINING THAT ROOF LINE ALL THE WAY TO THE END. SOME OF THE WINDOWS, I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, SOME OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WOULDN'T BE IN THE EXACT SAME LOCATION JUST BASED ON THE, THE INSIDE THE INTERIOR PLANS, UM, BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE A WALL, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UM, WE TRIED TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE MADE. UM, WE HAVEN'T OBVIOUSLY STARTED ANYTHING. UM, WE'RE JUST WAITING TO GET APPROVAL TO, TO BEGIN. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO HAVE YOU HEARD? WE DO NOT. THANK YOU. UM, SINCE WE HAD A D R C ON THIS, COULD I HEAR FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ATTENDED THAT? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR. UM, WE DISCUSSED, UH, LET'S SEE, UM, A NUMBER OF THINGS, UH, LET'S SAY FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, HOW TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING HISTORIC ELEVATION ON THE FRONT, HOW TO MAINTAIN THE, UM, EXISTING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE EXISTING WEST ELEVATION AND THE FENESTRATION THERE. WE DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME, UM, DISCUSSING THE, UM, I GUESS THE PRINCIPLES OF ADDITIONS, UH, WHERE THEY MIGHT BETTER BE ACCOMMODATED AND IF ONE WERE GOING TO A SECOND FLOOR OR ANYWHERE ON THE LOT. HOW TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT IS HISTORIC AND WHAT IS NEW. UM, I THINK THE, UH, UM, THE MOST OBVIOUS CONCERN THAT I HAVE BOTH AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER THAT ATTENDED AND COMMISSION MEMBER TODAY IS THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT THE HOUSE IS NOT GIVING YOU THE SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU NEED, I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR NEED TO, UH, WANT TO GO UP WITH IT MM-HMM. [02:45:01] , BUT THE, THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT BY GOING UP, IT REALLY DISTORTS THAT, THAT COMPOSITION THAT IS SO INDICATIVE OF THIS PARTICULAR BUNGALOW. AND I CAN GET REALLY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS ONE AND SAY, THIS BUNGALOW IS ALMOST ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. UM, BUT YOUR NEEDS GO BEYOND THAT. SO, UM, MY, MY THOUGHT AND GOING WITH THE GUIDELINES, PROBABLY MORE SO WOULD BE CONSIDER, UH, WHAT WE BRIEFLY MENTIONED AT THE D R C IS GOING SOUTHWARD WITH AN ADDITION AND PERHAPS SOME INTERIOR RE CONFIGS MIGHT GIVE YOU THE ADDITIONAL SPACE MM-HMM. THAT YOU NEED TO. UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE THEIR, THEIR TIME AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. WE HAD LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, ALSO KIND OF EXPANDING, UH, SOUTHWARDS OR IN ANY OTHER DIRECTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGES THAT WERE KIND OF LANDLOCKED. RIGHT? AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE WE'RE ON A CORNER, YOU KNOW, SO IT KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF TWO-SIDED. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ONLY LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOME, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SIDE AS WELL. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST PART OF BEING A CORNER LOT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS THERE ARE TO BE ABLE TO ADD A SECOND STORY. AND I THINK WE'VE EXPRESSED THAT IN THE PAST. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THAT TO, TO YOUR STANDARDS. AND THESE ARE THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE MADE BASED ON THE CONVERSATION. UM, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ROCK OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M COMPLETELY OPEN TO THEM. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF FOLLOWED THE RULES AS FAR AS SETTING IT BACK, UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO, IF, IF THERE ARE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE OPEN TO 'EM. SO WHEN YOU, UH, LOOKED AT DOING AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTH, RATHER THAN GOING UP MM-HMM. , UH, ANY REASONS, WHAT WERE YOUR REASONS FOR TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE, THE TWO STORY ADDITION AS OPPOSED TO IF ADDING ONTO THE SOUTH, IF WE GO ONTO THE SOUTH, IT'LL BUMP INTO THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THERE'S A GARAGE STRUCTURE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT IT IS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S ALSO SOME SORT OF AN OLD SEPTIC TANK OF SOME SORT, UM, WHICH COULD STOP US FROM DOING THAT. YEAH, I, I, I HAVEN'T INVESTIGATED THAT YET, BUT THERE'S A, A, A HOLE IN THE YARD AND IT'S GOT A CAP ON IT, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS FROM. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. YES, SIR. UM, I, I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT, THAT, THAT YOU HAVE IN THE PRESENTATION, WHICH IS REALLY THE KIND OF THING THAT SELLS THE, THE NEED, RIGHT? WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, YOU, YOU'RE SHOWING TO, TO ME, I, I, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A BOX ON TOP OF ANOTHER BOX, RIGHT? THAT THE BUNGALOW ASPECT THAT EXISTS, IT'S THE BOTTOM BOX, RIGHT? IT GIVES YOU ALL OF THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEED TO GO UPWARD A PARTICULAR WAY. SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE, LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE IS FINE. OKAY? I MEAN, IN A PERFECT WORLD, RIGHT? LET'S SAY IT'S FINE. NOW, HOW DO YOU ACHIEVE THE, THE, UM, THE GRAFTING OF A NEW SOMETHING IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT BUNGALOW, RIGHT? AND FOR INSTANCE, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THIS HIP ROOF, WHEN YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A GABLE IN THE FRONT AND, AND INSIDE OF THAT GABLE, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE DRAMATIC TO WHAT A BUNGALOW IS, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU HAVE THESE HIP ROOFS, RIGHT? SO I, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO PULL THE PROJECT, NOT NOT TO, NOT TO GO FOR AN APPLICATION, BUT TO ACTUALLY GO TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, AND, AND, AND GOOGLE OR, OR WHATEVER YOU DO TO INFORM YOURSELF AS TO IF YOU WERE DESIGNING A TWO STORY BUNGALOW, HOW WOULD YOU DO THIS? BECAUSE THE CHARACTERISTIC OF YOUR PROJECT, TO ME IS NOT ONE OF AN ADDITION, UH, ALONE, BUT, BUT ONE OF A, OF A, OF A, OF AN OUTGROWTH OF THIS BUILDING IN ITS PERIOD, RIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT, BECAUSE THE, THE HOUSE IS SO PARTICULAR THAT IT DEMANDS THAT YOU RESPOND TO IT AS, AS THE HOUSE DICTATES. SO THERE, THERE'S A WAY TO SAY THAT, THAT THE HOUSE IS, THAT THE HOUSE SHOULD BE TALKING TO YOU SHOULD BE TELLING YOU, NO, DON'T DO THIS, DO THIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . BUT YOU HAVE TO INFORM YOURSELF AS TO WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE PARTICULAR STYLE ELEMENTS, AND THEN HOW DO I GO UP? UM, I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY ACHIEVABLE. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S HELPING YOU OR HOW YOU'RE GOING ABOUT THAT DESIGN PROCESS, BUT THOSE ARE THE DESIGN [02:50:01] ORDERS THAT I WOULD GIVE WHOEVER IT IS THAT'S, THAT'S DOING THE WORK AND NOT SUBMIT THE PROJECT, BUT TAKE IT, TAKE IT TO THAT LEVEL, AND THEN COME BACK AND SEE WHERE YOU'RE AT. UH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA ACHIEVE GOING UP, UH, HOLISTICALLY ON THE HOUSE, NOT SEPARATELY, NOT AS A MODERN INTERPRETATION OR SOMETHING THAT IS ATTACHING ITSELF TO THE HOUSE, BUT SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY THE HOUSE GROWING UP, THEN YOU, YOU, YOU ARE ALMOST FORCED TO BE INFORMED BY THE, THE STYLES OF THIS KIND OF HOUSE. AND YOU CAN GET ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET AND OR, OR GIVE IT TO A DESIGNER. LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT. OKAY? OKAY, SIR. THANK YOU. YEAH, WE'RE, UM, LOUIS OLIS IS OUR ENGINEER AND ALSO OUR ARCHITECT. HE'S HELPING US WITH THE PROJECT. HE JUST WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT HERE TODAY, LOUIS. I KNOW LOUIS'S TELL HIM A LOT. HELLO FOR GABRIEL VELAZQUEZ. BYE-BYE. THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF ALL MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE AS PROPERTY OWNERS TRY TO FORCE AN ISSUE THAT JUST, MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PROPERTY FOR YOU, YOU KNOW? UM, IF IT'S, IF IT'S ALTERING THE SORT OF INTRINSIC CHARACTER OF WHAT IS SORT OF A PERFECT BUNGALOW, YOU KNOW, A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A BUNGALOW HERE, UM, THEN THAT'S, I THINK MAYBE WHERE YOU HAVE TO STOP AND THINK IS LIKE, WELL, MAYBE THIS WASN'T THE RIGHT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE OWNED THIS, AND MAYBE, UM, YOU DON'T WANNA LEAVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHATEVER. BUT SOMETIMES I THINK WE, WE GET INTO THE MOST TROUBLE WHEN WE TRY TO FORCE THE ISSUE, AND IT JUST DOESN'T FIT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE INTEGRITY AND THE, AND THE CHARACTER OF, OF THIS HOUSE TO TRY TO DO THAT MUCH OF AN ADDITION TO DO WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED IS, IS SUCH A RADICAL DEPARTURE FROM THE, THE SCALE AND THE, THE MASSING OF THE, OF THE HOUSE THAT I, I, I JUST, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AND, AND, BUT I'M SYMPATHETIC TO YOUR NEEDS AS A FAMILY AND, AND ALL THAT, BUT MAYBE THE FAMILY NEEDS TO FIND ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WORKS FOR YOU. OH, SO THERE'S, SO, UH, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY TO ADD A SECOND STORY ADDITION TO THIS THAT, THAT YOU GUYS CAN THINK OF? OR, I MEAN, IF, IF THERE'S A DESIGN CHANGE, IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE OR ARE YOU JUST SAYING, HEY, THERE'S NO WAY TO DO A DO A SECOND STORY THAT'S GONNA GET APPROVED? WELL, I THINK FOR ME PERSONALLY, I THINK YOU COULD CERTAINLY TRY TO ADD TO THE SOUTH. UM, AND WHETHER THAT ALLOWS YOU TO GO UP AS WELL, THERE MIGHT BE THE POSSIBILITY, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS CORNER LOT, IT'S GONNA BE A VERY VISIBLE, VERY EVIDENT ADDITION. UM, SO I, I, I THINK IT'D BE A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT SELL. YEAH, I'LL AGREE. AND, AND I'LL AGREE. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER SABINA, I'LL, I'LL WAIT TILL YOU'RE DONE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, IT'LL BE JUST A SEC. . I AGREE. UM, AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, REVIEW YOUR PROGRAM. MAYBE YOU'RE, UH, REDUCING YOUR PROGRAM RIGHT NOW. THE, THE HOUSE IS WHAT, A TWO TWO, UM, OR TWO? ONE. IT'S A TWO. ONE, IT'S A TWO ONE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO A FIVE TWO OR FIVE THREE, RIGHT? UM, AGAIN, YOUR PROGRAM MAY ENABLE YOU TO DO A VERY SEAMLESS ADDITION ONTO THE SOUTH. UM, AND THERE'S SOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S, UM, A NUMBER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BEACON HILL IS ALSO A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR LOOKING AT BUNGALOWS AND ADDITIONS. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CHAIR. NOW, NOW WHAT? YES, I, I WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR. I WANNA BE VERY SENSITIVE TO, TO YOUR REALITY. UH, WE'D LIKE TO BELIEVE OR I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DO ANYTHING. THAT THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU CAN'T DO. IT'S HOW YOU DO IT. AND I THINK THE ONLY THING TO, TO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT YOU, YOU FOLLOW ONE RULE, UH, WELL, A COUPLE OF RULES, BUT FIRST, FIRST IS THAT YOU SUBORDINATE THE, THE ADDITION, WHICH MEANS BASICALLY THAT WHAT STANDS OUT IN FRONT IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY SO MUCH OF WHAT THE DIALOGUE IS THAT, WELL, HOW FAR BACK CAN YOU GO RIGHT NOW IF YOU'RE ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, YOU CAN ONLY GO SO FAR BACK. UM, SO WHEN YOU GO UP IT, IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF, OF, OF THE, OF THE DESIGN SKILL OR, OR HOW, UM, YOU GO ABOUT ACHIEVING IT. SO IT, IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, BUT ONLY IN THE MOST RESPECTFUL WAY TO THE BUNGALOW ITSELF, WHICH, WHICH IS THAT THE BUNGALOW, ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE VOCABULARY OF THAT BUILDING, THE WAY THE ROOF COMES DOWN, THE ROOF MATERIALS OR THE WAY THE WINDOWS, THE PITCHES, ALL THAT STUFF SHOULD INFORM THAT DECISION. IT'S NOT JUST AN ADDITION. IT IS [02:55:01] ACTUALLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IS KIND OF LIKE A MIDDLE AGED PERSON, AND NOW IT'S GONNA GROW UP AND BECOME THE ELDERLY, RIGHT? IT'S ALL INFORMED BY, BY BY THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT, OF THAT INDIVIDUAL, OF THAT, THAT STRUCTURE. SO IF YOU HAVE THIS HIGH LEVEL BUNGALOW, THEN YOUR ADDITION IS ASKING YOU TO BE AS SENSITIVE AS THAT HIGH LEVEL BUNGALOW IS THAT IT'S A, THAT IT'S A HIGH LEVEL, UH, DESIGN PROBLEM. SO WITH THINKING THAT ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN THE CONTEXT OF DOING IT RIGHT, THAT THE BUILDING IS OBVIOUSLY SET BEHIND WHAT IS THERE ORIGINAL, AND THAT IF YOU GO UP, THAT YOU GO UP IN A WAY THAT SOMEONE LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS, WOW, THAT'S AN AWESOME BUNGO THAT THEY STILL ARE ABLE TO SAY THAT. SO YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD ON THE INTEGRITY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL VOCABULARY THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO YOU THROUGH THIS STRUCTURE. OKAY? OKAY. UH, SO, BUT SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY, AH, THAT'S TOO HARD. I CAN'T DO THAT. IN WHICH CASE, WELL, IT'S, YOU'VE HIT AN IMPOSSIBILITY. OR SOME PEOPLE WOULD GO, I CAN DO THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO TAKE IT. OKAY? YES, SIR. I WOULD, UM, CHALLENGE YOUR DESIGNER AND ENGINEER TO LOOK AT YOUR ENTIRE SITE. I BELIEVE WHEN YOU WERE HERE BEFORE THERE WAS SOME MENTION OF POSSIBLY REDOING THE GARAGE IN THE FUTURE MM-HMM. . AND SO PERHAPS, UH, GETTING WITH YOUR DESIGNER ENGINEER, THERE'S AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTH, UH, THAT INCORPORATES A SECOND FLOOR ON TOP OF A NEW GARAGE. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU PICK UP YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE MM-HMM. . SO IT'S NOT ON TOP OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. OKAY. UM, SO AT THIS POINT, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, PULL YOUR APPLICATION AT THIS TIME AND STUDY, UH, THE OPTION TO GO TO THE SOUTH, POSSIBLY, UH, DOING THE, THE GARAGE WITH A SECOND STORY ADDITION TO GET YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE TO MEET YOUR PROGRAM MM-HMM. , UM, AND THEN COME BACK. AND AGAIN, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE A ANOTHER D R C WITH YOU WHEN YOU OKAY. IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME OTHER OPTIONS. YEAH, THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. YES. I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A, UH, FIVE MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE COMING BACK FROM OUR BREAK COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE VIRTUAL. IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE YOU TURN YOUR CAMERAS BACK ON SO THAT WE CAN SEE YOU, I THINK, UH, AND YEAH, MR. KRUER, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. AND THEN, UM, I THINK WE'RE LIVE AGAIN. SO, RACHEL, WHY DON'T YOU START BY READING THIS CASE CASE INTO THE RECORD. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 34 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 6 36 3 45 EAST SUMMIT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW ALUMINUM WINDOWS, AND TWO, REPLACE THE FRONT DOORS WITH FULLY WOOD FRONT DOORS. ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING WINDOWS IN SIZE TYPE CONFIGURATION, MATERIAL FORM APPEARANCE IN DETAIL. THE WINDOW SHOULD FEATURE AN INSET THAT MATCHES THE INSET OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD REPLACEMENT DOORS THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE STRUCTURE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, BUT THE APPLICANT AND OWNER TERRY KRUEGER IS ON THE LINE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. KRUEGER. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO YOU AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES. ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. GO AHEAD WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MULTIPLE SECONDS. ANY DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP? AYE. [03:00:01] ANTE. AYE. ZER AYE. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE MR. KRUEGER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 35 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 4 1 25 0 7 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE. INSTALL TWO NEW DOOR OPENINGS ON THE NORTH FRONT FACADE. TWO, INSTALL ONE NEW DOOR OPENING ON THE EAST ELEVATION, AND THREE, INSTALL FOUR NEW DOOR OPENINGS ON THE SOUTH REAR ELEVATION. ITEM ONE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE BASED ON FINDING B. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATION TO THE EAST ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING C. AND ITEM THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATION TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING D AND THE APPLICANT RAS NIGA IN PERSON. IN PERSON. UH, GOOD EVENING, HOW ARE YOU? UH, MY NAME IS RAUL ZUNIGA WITH THE ZUNIGA DESIGN GROUP. I'M HERE, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, UPBRINGING HEAD START PRESCHOOL. THEY'RE OUT OF, UH, AUSTIN. AND UH, THEY ARE CURRENTLY, UH, LEASING SEVEN CLASSROOM SPACES INSIDE THIS FACILITY RIGHT HERE THAT'S OWNED BY, UH, LUTHERAN, REDEEMER LUTHERAN CHURCH. AND, UH, SOME INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, UH, WERE MADE PREVIOUSLY AND I BELIEVE SOME IN SOME, UH, FIRE ALARM IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE AS WELL. AND, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL VISITED THE SITE AND IS REQUESTING THAT THEY, UH, ADD, UH, EXIT DOORS FROM EACH CLASSROOM TO THE, TO THE DIRECT OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE ROOMS AS CLASSROOMS. SO THAT'S WHY I AM HERE AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMITTEE OR CITIZENS MAY, MAY HAVE. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? YEAH, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. OKAY. YES. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I'M CALLING OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE MONTICELLO PARK BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE ARE LOCATED PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 1. I'M CALLING REGARDING AGENDA ITEM, I'M SORRY, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 0 4 1. THE ADDRESS IS 25 0 7 FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. MONTICELLO PARK APPRECIATES THE ADAPTIVE REUSE THAT HAS OCCURRED AT THE REDEEMER LOOSE RING SITE AND WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE OF THE ZONING CHANGE, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY. UH, BACK IN THE SUMMER OF 2020. WE CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM ONE FOR DENIAL, UM, FOR ITEM TWO AND THREE, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE TWO ITEMS BASED ON THEIR STIPULATIONS OUTLINED AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION. WE ALSO NOTE THAT IT WOULD BE, UM, IT, IT WOULD ALSO BE ENCOURAGING TO HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE SIGNAGE, THE LIGHTING, AND ALSO THE HVAC UNIT THAT WAS INSTALLED ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN APPLICANTS COME IN, THAT THERE'S A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ONE ELEVATION, ONE PROJECT AT A TIME. IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW THE PROPERTY RELATES TO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND WORKS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH DOWNWARD PROJECTING LIGHTING AND ENSURING THAT THEY'RE COMING, COMING THROUGH AND PULLING ALL PROPER PERMITS AND CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH THE CITY. WE THANK THEM FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN THE SCHOOL AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO OFFER COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. YES, MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M OKAY. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. THE, THE REQUEST BY THE FIRE MARSHAL WAS THAT, HAS THAT BEEN DOCUMENTED? WAS THAT GIVEN IN A LETTER TO THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE, THE TENANT? THE, YEAH, THE, THE, THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING IS A REDEEMER LUTHERAN SCHOOL AND THE TENANT IS UPBRINGING. UM, I DO NOT HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT, BUT BASED ON A WALKTHROUGH THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL DID THAT THEY'RE REQUIRING THAT DUE TO THE, UH, AGE OF THE, UH, CHILDREN THAT ARE INSIDE THE BUILDING, THE AGE OF THE CHILDREN ARE GONNA ARRANGE FROM SIX MONTHS TO THREE YEARS OLD. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE [03:05:01] MAKING THEM INSTALL THE, THE DOORS OUTSIDE EACH CLASSROOM. I MEAN, THE, THE END USER OR TENANT IS, IS UNDERSTANDABLE IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT THE TWO DOORS IN THE FRONT. BUT, UH, ANOTHER SOLUTION THAT I MIGHT THROW THERE AWAY IS POSSIBLY ADDING ANOTHER DOOR TO THE EAST ELEVATION AND MAKING A OFFICE NUMBER FOUR AND OFFICE NUMBER THREE, A CLASSROOM AND THEN PUTTING A, AN EXIT DOOR TO THE EAST ELEVATION THERE SO THEY AT LEAST PICK UP, UH, ONE MORE CLASSROOM. I KIND OF GOT IN, LAID IN THE GAME HERE WHEN, UH, I, I GUESS THE CONTRACTOR TRIED TO MAKE SOME GENERAL REPAIRS AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAME UP THAT THE, THE PROJECT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO, UH, THEY, THEY, UH, REQUIRED MY SERVICES TO, TO COME AND, UH, SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF AND TRY TO GET THESE DOORS EITHER APPROVED OR OR DENIED. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE JUST A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IN THE PROPOSED PRODUCTS FOR THE DOORS AND THE SIDELIGHTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE SHOWN, UH, LET'S SEE, I GUESS IT'S ON PAGE 22 OF THE PACKET, UM, SHOWN IN RED. ARE THOSE JUST HOLLOW METAL DOORS, KIND OF STANDARD STOCK THINGS OR DID YOU GUYS LOOK TO SEE IF YOU COULD FIND SOMETHING THAT HAD SORT OF THE CHARACTER OF THE PROFILE? THE, THE ALUMINUM MATERIAL MATERIALITY? 'CAUSE THAT'S, THOSE ARE ALL REALLY CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS SORT OF MID-CENTURY MODERN THAT USE OF ALUMINUM, THE PANELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, AND I COULD, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND, AND HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH HAVING TO PROVIDE THESE, UH, DIRECT ACCESS FOR THIS AGE STUDENT. SO I CAN, I CAN ATTEST TO THAT BEING TRUE IN THE CODE. UM, BUT TO INTEGRATE THIS IN, I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT WE GET DOWN TO KIND OF WHAT IS THAT CROSS SECTION OF THE, AND IF IT'S JUST A STANDARD METAL, SORRY, STANDARD HOLLOW METAL FRAME, THAT'S GONNA STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB. SO IT, DID YOU GUYS EXAMINE THAT TO SEE HOW WELL WE'RE PROPOSING? UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOOR SCHEDULE THAT'S IN THE BID, UH, DOCUMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UM, I KNOW WE, THE, THE DOOR STYLE, UH, C TYPE WAS THE TYPE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MATCH THE EXISTING STOREFRONT SYSTEM THAT IS CURRENT CURRENTLY THERE VERSUS PUTTING IN A, A METAL SYSTEM. YEAH, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, UH, FIGURE OUT FROM THE APPLICATION. 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S LOOKS LIKE IT'S A METAL. YEAH. BEING PROPOSED IS, IS OKAY, IT'S A HOLLOW METAL FRAME, BUT IT'S KINDA LIKE IT WOULD BE A STOREFRONT SYSTEM. WE, WE RIGHT. WE TRY TO MATCH WHAT'S EXISTING. RIGHT. I I I THINK WE CAN GET CLOSER AND I THINK THAT COULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS MAKING THIS AN ACCEPTABLE, YOU KNOW, SOLUTION THAT'S SORT OF A NECESSITY, BUT THEN DOESN'T BECOME A LONG-TERM SCAR TO THE YES SIR, TO THE BUILDING. THANK YOU CHAIR. DOES THE, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU TALKED TO THE, UH, OPERATORS OR THE AT TENANTS ABOUT CHANGING OFFICE THREE AND FOUR INTO A CLASSROOM AND THEN POSSIBLY AN EXIT DOOR ON THE EAST, EAST SIDE, THE ACCELERATION. YES, SIR. UM, WOULD THAT GET YOU THE NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS THAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR PROGRAM? WELL, THEY, THEY LIKE TO HAVE SEVEN. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LEASING RIGHT NOW FROM, UH, FROM REDEEMER LUTHERAN SCHOOL. SO THEY LIKE TO TRY TO HAVE ALL SEVEN, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE FINAL WORD IS, IS WILL BE GIVEN TONIGHT. SO IF THEY HAVE TO DO WITH JUST FIVE CLASSROOMS, WELL THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE DO WITH FIVE CLASSROOMS. BUT IF I CAN PRESENT THAT OPTION AND, AND IF YOU ALL WOULD POSSIBLY SUPPORT ADDING A DOOR TO THAT EAST ELEVATION AND RECONFIGURING THE PLAN SO THAT THOSE TWO OFFICES BECOME A CLASSROOM, THAT MIGHT BE A VIABLE SOLUTION FOR THEM TO PICK UP ONE, ONE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM AND HAVE SIX VERSUS THE SEVEN. OKAY. IF YOU WOULD GO TO THE PLAN ON SHEET 10 AND ZOOM INTO OFFICE NUMBER FOUR, IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS A PARTITION WALL IN THERE WITH POSSIBLY SOME ELECTRICAL PANELS. YES. SO IF THAT PORTION OF THE WALL REMAINS, UH, DOES THAT STILL ALLOW FOR A USABLE CLASSROOM THERE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT [03:10:01] THAT CHASE THERE TO SEE ACTUALLY WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THAT WALL? OKAY. BECAUSE IT IS A PRETTY BIG SPACE . I MEAN, THERE'S A, I MEAN THERE'S A WAY, I MEAN THERE'S A, THERE'S A FEW OPTIONS THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THEM TO GET TO, TO GET A SECOND THAT ONE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM THAT COULD EXIT OUT THE EAST WALL, RIGHT. ONE OPTION AND FOR TODAY MIGHT BE TO, UH, TAKE ACTION ON THE PROPOSED EAST AND SOUTH DOORS AND THEN ALLOW MR. ZUNIGA AND THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S TENANT TO WORK OUT, UH, AN OPTION FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE, THE OTHER CLASSROOMS, THE EAST ELEVATION POSSIBLY. RIGHT. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER RU. YES MA'AM. I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE YOU WANT US TO APPROVE THE TYPE OF DOOR THAT WAS SUBMITTED TODAY FOR THE OTHER ELEVATIONS AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT FOR WHAT TYPE OF DOOR OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE S SUBTLE ON THERE. I MEAN IF IT IS REQUIRED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL, I THINK IT GOES BEYOND. I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. RIGHT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE APPROVING, I THINK COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S POINT WAS MAYBE WE CAN FIND A WAY OF APPROVING A DOOR THAT'S GOES A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH A HISTORIC FRONT AND THEN PROBABLY WOULD USE THE SAME DOORS ON THE OTHER ELEVATIONS. CORRECT? THAT'S ALSO AN OPTION. YES. WELL, STAFF CAN YOU GO TO, UH, SHEET 5.1 OF THE DRAWING SET? I THINK IT'S UM, PAGE 13 IN THE PACKET. YEAH. THAT'S SHOWING THE CORRECT SYSTEM THAT WE WANT TO USE, BUT THAT OTHER DOOR SUBMITTAL WAS NOT CORRECTLY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET STRAIGHT. THE OTHER DOOR SUBMITTAL IS THAT FOR, FOR DOORS GOING INTO THE MASONRY AND YEAH, THAT THOSE WERE THE DOORS GOING IN, ONE GOING INTO THE EAST ELEVATION AND TWO THE NORTH ELEVATION. MM-HMM. . OKAY. BECAUSE THIS BEGINS TO GET TOWARDS MY CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING THAT BEING AN INTEGRATED SOLUTION IN WITH THE EXISTING GLAZING SYSTEM ON THAT SOUTH WALL. YES. IF YOU LOOK AT DOOR TYPES, CC AND DD, THOSE ARE STOREFRONT DOORS AND ABOVE THERE, THE WINDOW TYPES A AND B, THOSE ARE STOREFRONT SYSTEMS THAT WOULD IN INFILL IN INSIDE THE, THE PROMINENT, UH, VERTICAL MULLINS THAT ARE STOREFRONT MULANS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE. YEAH. SO DOOR TYPE, UH, I GUESS THREE ON THE, ON THE, UH, STEEL DOOR SUBMITTAL THAT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. SO, AND WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH APPROVING, UM, AS STAFF HAS SAID THAT WE DON'T, I MEAN, I AGREE THE NORTH FACADE SHOULD NOT BE MODIFIED, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HELPS YOU AT LEAST GET, GET ON WITH THE PROJECT? YEAH, THAT, THAT WILL, I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA BE FINE WITH WHATEVER SOLUTION YOU, YOU ALL PROVIDE OR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS YOU ALL PROVIDE. BUT IF, BUT WE CAN GO BACK AND I CAN MENTION, HEY, THEY, THEY MIGHT APPROVE A, A SECOND DOOR AT THE EAST ELEVATION TO MAKE ANOTHER CLASSROOM WORK. WOULD I HAVE TO COME BACK AND PRESENT THE, THAT SECOND DOOR AGAIN OUT THE ELEVATION? MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR. UM, YOU LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION AND, AND I'M INCLINED TO, TO SEE THAT THIS, WHAT, WHAT'S WHAT'S [03:15:01] REALLY HAPPENING HERE IS THAT THIS, THAT THERE'S ACTIVITY, UM, THIS, UM, THE SCHOOL ACTIVITY, THIS, UM, UM, APPLICANT, THE, THE, THE OWNERS ARE, ARE, ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR PLANS TO MAKE THE BUILDING MORE FUNCTIONAL TO, TO WORK IN A WAY THAT ACTUALLY ACTIVATES THIS BUILDING AND, AND THAT IT SERVES A PURPOSE. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR, YOUR TYPICAL SITUATION, UH, THE, UH, THE TYPES OF STOREFRONT DOORS. IT SEEMS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEING EMPLOYED IN A WAY THAT THAT IS SENSIBLE. UH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT A MOTION TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE APPLICANT AS SUBMITTED SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT THAT HAS MORE PARTS THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST THE BUILDING. I MEAN, MORE THAN ANYTHING, MORE THAN LIKE A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM THE USE OF THIS BUILDING AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO EMPOWER THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT USE I THINK IS, IS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT. I DON'T SEE THAT THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING THAT ACTUALLY, UH, CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THIS BUILDING. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. CAN YOU PULL UP, UH, CAN STAFF PULL UP PICTURE NUMBER 17? I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ THAT WOULD REALLY CHANGE THIS CHARACTERISTICS OF THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING, THE TWO DOORS THAT THEY WANNA DO ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, THAT WOULD REALLY CHANGE IT. SO I KIND OF DISAGREE ON THAT. I THINK THE NORTH ELEVATION IS KIND OF IMPORTANT HERE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SCHOOL AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF THE OWNER HAS OPTIONS, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER THOSE OPTIONS. WELL, IT THE, I I, I APPRECIATE YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT THE RESPONSE TO THAT. I, I JUST KIND OF FEEL THAT IF THE, IF THE DOORS ARE PLACED PROPERLY AND THAT, THAT IN ITS OWN TIME, THEY MAY HAVE PUT TWO DOORS THERE AND THE, THE, UH, THE STARKNESS OF THE, OF THE, OF THE STYLE KIND OF ALLOWS, THAT KIND OF ENABLES IT TO BE THIS VERY, UH, WHAT SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT CONSIDER KIND OF, KIND OF UGLY. YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A PERIOD OF THESE FLAT, UM, ELEMENTS THAT YOU DON'T SEE TOO MUCH ANYMORE BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST DECIDED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT KIND OF DESIGN. DOESN'T REALLY SPEAK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, S S SOME THINGS THAT JUST DON'T SEEM SO SENSIBLE. LIKE THOSE RIBBON WINDOWS THAT, THOSE VERTICAL RIBBON WINDOWS, THEY USED TO HAPPEN A LOT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS, IN THIS KIND OF PERIOD. UM, SO PLACING THE DOORS THERE, TO ME IT SOFTENS IT A LITTLE BIT. BUT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT IT TAKES AWAY FROM WHAT IS REALLY THE FLATNESS OF THE EXPERIENCE, BUT WHAT IT DOES SEEM TO DO IS IT SEEMS THAT IT ALMOST BECOMES MORE FUNCTIONAL ALMOST AS IF IT'S NOT FUNCTIONAL THE WAY THAT IT IS. AND IN THAT IT, IT, IT EMPOWERS TO, TO ME IT, IT EMPOWERS THE BUILDING TO CONTINUE ITS USEFUL NATURE, YOU KNOW? AND, UM, SO EVEN LIKE THAT WITH THOSE KIND OF GLOWING, UH, ORANGE, ORANGE FENESTRATIONS, I, I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER. UH, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT REALLY THE POINT TO, TO ME, THE POINT IS JUST MORE THAT IF YOU PUT THOSE DOORS THERE ORIGINALLY, IT, IT WORKS. THEY'RE WORKING WITHIN THE BAY. IT, IT, TO ME IT WORKS. MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, LET ME JUST KIND OF ASK THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION HERE. WAS IT EXPLORED AT ALL IN THE DESIGN PROCESS TO REPLACE THOSE PAIR WINDOWS WITH THE DOOR SO THAT YOU'RE NOT CUTTING INTO THE MASONRY AND YOU'RE KIND OF RESPECTING THE ORIGINAL RHYTHM AND CENTRAL PLACEMENT OF FENESTRATION SLASH DOOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE STRUCTURAL BAYS? WAS THAT AT ALL EXPLORED? LET'S SEE HERE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROPOSING PUNCHING A DOOR RIGHT NEXT TO TWO EXISTING WINDOWS. COULD YOU REMOVE THOSE WINDOWS, STORE THEM ON SITE AND THEREFORE YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT TEARING AWAY BRICK AND CONCEIVABLY, THEORETICALLY YOU COULD REVERSE THIS ALTERATION. WELL, THIS WAS THE, THE MOST ADEQUATE WAY TO GET A UNIFORM LOOK FOR THAT FRONT FACADE. AND ALSO WE WOULD'VE POSITIONED THEM AT SOME OTHER LOCATIONS. THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MEET, UH, A D A COMPLIANCE WITH SOME OF THE DOOR SWINGS. OKAY. AND WITHOUT, WITHOUT MOVING SOME OF THE INTERIOR WALLS. SO IF WE COULD GO TO THE PLAN SHEET 1.1 AND ZOOM 'EM INTO THAT, PLEASE. I MEAN, THAT MIGHT ONLY WORK FOR CLASSROOM NUMBER TWO OR IF WE TRY TO DO THAT SOLUTION THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, BUT THEN WE COULDN'T DO THAT FOR CLASSROOM [03:20:01] NUMBER THREE 'CAUSE YOU GOT THAT COLUMN THAT'S OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. OH, UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. IT'S GETTING LATE IN THE AFTERNOON AND I'M GETTING A LITTLE SLOW IN THE UPTAKE ON THIS MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR. COULD, COULD I ASK HIM TO GO BACK TO THAT ELEVATION THAT HE JUST HAD ON THE SCREEN? UH, THE ONE THAT YES, YES. I, I I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD, A, A VERY GOOD PICTURE THAT SHOWS KIND OF THE NATURALNESS OF IT. THERE. THERE'S ALWAYS A, THERE'S ALWAYS A DIALOGUE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, IS THE WINDOW, SHOULD THE WINDOW BE, SHOULD, SHOULD THE FENESTRATION OF THE, OF, OF, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ITS PLACEMENT BE CENTERED? SHOULD IT BE LINED UP WITH A RIBBON? SHOULD IT, SHOULD THE WINDOW SIT IN THE SAME PLACE AS THE DOUBLE WINDOW OVER THE ORIGINAL? ALL THOSE LITTLE DETAILS I THINK STAFF CAN WALK YOU THROUGH. BUT I THINK THE KIND OF THE, THE NON, UM, ISSUE IS THERE IN THIS, IN THIS ELEVATION HERE. I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD LOOK AT THE LINES ABOVE, LOOK AT THE LINES TO THE SIDE, AND I WOULDN'T MAKE A DECISION. I'D LET THOSE LINES TELL ME WHERE EVERYTHING GOES. UH, BUT THAT'S ALMOST AN ASSUMPTION THAT YOU CAN SEE HOW THE RIBBON, LET'S SAY THE RIBBON ON THE LEFT, THE, THE DOUBLE RIBBONS IN THE CENTER LINE UP WITH THE, WITH THE REVEAL ON THE TOP, AND THEN WE GO TO THE MIDDLE WHERE THE NEW DOORS ARE BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW DO THOSE DOORS LINE THERE? I GUESS THERE'S ALWAYS AN ARGUMENT FOR DISCUSSION AROUND THAT. BUT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I, I THINK THAT THEY'RE, THEY, THEY'RE ALMOST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF A NON-ISSUE. BUT THANK YOU, SIR. I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY A SOLUTION COULD BE MET WHERE THESE DOORS COULD BE PROVIDED SO THAT THE BUILDING COULD BE USED AS, UH, CURRENTLY INTENDED. UH, AND ONE THOUGHT I HAD IS IF THE TWO NEW DOORS ON THE NORTH FACADE COULD, IF THE JAMS OF THOSE COULD ALIGN WITH THE VERTICAL IONS OF THE WINDOWS ABOVE, OKAY. AND ALSO ADD A TRANSOM ABOVE THE DOORS. SO IT'S MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE DESIGN OF THE, THE ALL GLASS STOREFRONT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YES. WE CAN DO THAT IN CLASSROOM TWO, BUT IF YOU GO TO CLASSROOM NUMBER THREE, IF I TRY TO SLIDE THAT DOOR CENTERED AND LINED UP WITH THE STOREFRONT ABOVE, IF YOU SEE THE WALL BETWEEN CLASSROOM TWO AND CLASSROOM THREE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE PUT PRESENT A POTENTIAL ISSUE THERE. 'CAUSE I, I, I'VE GOT, I'M RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT WALL, SO WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE THAT INTERIOR WALL OUT AND SLIDE IT OVER TO MAKE THAT WORK. OR AT LEAST THE THREE OR FOUR FEET INSIDE THE WALL, YOU COULD HAVE A JOG AND OFFSET IN THE WALL TO GET AROUND THE, THE NEW DOOR OPENING. WE CAN DO THAT TOO. UH, IF THAT'S NOT A LOAD BEARING WALL. UM, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A LOAD BEARING. YEAH. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS AND, AND KIND OF PICKING UP THE GLASS NOTION, BUT I HAD A QUICK QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE NATURE OF THOSE DOORS. YOU ARE SHOWING THOSE DOORS WITH A PRETTY LARGE LIGHT IN THEM. UH, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A LIGHT IN THOSE OR ARE THESE PRINCIPALLY JUST EGRESS DOORS THAT WAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TWO EXISTING PAIR OF DOORS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE? RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OF A MIND IF THESE ARE, IF THESE ARE SIMPLY EGRESS DOORS, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMETHING THAT, THAT DOESN'T CALL ATTENTION TO ITSELF. IF THOSE WERE JUST STEEL DOORS THAT WERE PAINTED TO MATCH THE BRICK USED AS EGRESS DOORS, IT KIND OF SOLVES THE PROBLEM OF DRAWING ATTENTION TO THEM. I THINK THE BIGGER THEY GET OR THE GLASSIER THEY GET, THE MORE CONSEQUENCE THERE IS IN ALIGNMENT. UH, BUT I DO CONCUR WITH SOME OF THE PREVIOUS THOUGHTS THAT, UH, I, I THINK IT'S RATIONAL TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING DOORS HERE TO, TO MAKE THESE CLASSROOMS USABLE AS CLASSROOMS. AND, UH, I WOULD TEND TO SUPPORT A MOTION THAT INCLUDES THOSE DOORS IN IT. YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY CHANGE THOSE TO FLUSH PANEL METAL DOORS SIMILAR TO THE DOOR THAT'S AT THE EAST ELEVATION, BUT THERE'S ESSENTIALLY TWO DIRECTIONS TO GO WITH IT RIGHT NOW. IT'S KIND OF STUCK IN BETWEEN, I DUNNO IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT THAT. IF THAT SOLUTION WORKS, WILL WE STILL NEED TO DO THE TRANSOM ABOVE? WELL, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I'M HOPING THAT, THAT WE COULD GET IT. ARE THEY PRIMARILY EGRESS DOORS? YES, THEY'RE STRICTLY EGRESS EXIT DOORS, JUST BA BASED, BASED ON THE AGE FOR THE KIDS. I THINK IT, IN A PERFECT WORLD, YOU [03:25:01] WOULD TAKE THE CENTERS SERIOUSLY, AND THAT, THAT JUST MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF HOW CLOSE YOU ARE TO THE WALL OR WHETHER YOU CAN, WHETHER YOU CAN JOG THE WALL OUT, UH, JUST FOR THE, FOR THE DOOR OPENING PIECE RIGHT. CREATES A KIND OF COOL REVEAL. I KNOW IT DOES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL. UM, BUT IF THAT WERE THE CASE IN THE PERFECT ROLE, I, I WOULD GO TO THE FLAT PANEL DOOR AND MAYBE PUT THE TRANSOM ABOVE THE DOOR ANYWAY. UM, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD PAINT THE DOOR BLUE. I WOULDN'T PAINT IT THE COLOR OF THE BRICK. I WOULD PAINT IT THE, THE COMPLIMENTARY COLOR BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES ADD SOMETHING. UM, BUT I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR PURPOSE, BUT I, TO ME, THE CENTERS, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T GET 'EM OR AT LEAST PUT IN A GOOD EFFORT TO SEE WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES OF GETTING THEM CENTERED, THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE DESIGN IS ALL ABOUT. YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THEY'RE GIVING YOU THE LINES AND THEY'RE FOLLOWING THAT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU CONSIDER THE ONE DOOR THAT'S BUMPED IT AGAINST THE WALL BY, BY REMOVING THAT WALL AND, AND IN SETTING IT, SOMEHOW I WOULD DO THAT. I'M SURE THE FLAT PANEL DOOR WOULD BE ENOUGH, BUT I THINK IF YOU ADDED THE LITTLE TRANSOM THERE, IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD JUST BE ALL THE MORE BEAUTIFUL. BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVALS OF ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. OOPS, PARDON ME. UM, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO CENTER THE TWO PROPOSED DOORS ON THE NORTH FACADE, UM, TO BE IN RELATION TO THE MULLIONS ABOVE AND ADDS A TRANSOM TO IT. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. LES ABSENT MASUKA. AYE. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES. ZER AYE. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 36 HAS BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 37 HT R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 4 3 43 WEST HOLLYWOOD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE 44 WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS DUE TO FIRE DAMAGE, AND TWO, REMOVE AND REMOVE END AND CLOSE ONE WINDOW ON THE NORTH REAR ELEVATION AND ONE WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION. ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION ARE REPLACED WITH FULLY WOOD WINDOWS, AND TWO, THAT ALL REPLACEMENT WINDOWS MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOWS STIPULATIONS, AND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR RE REVIEW AND APPROVAL. ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW OPENING ENCLOSURE BASED ON FINDING DE AND THE OWNER, MARIO PENA, IS ON THE LINE VIRTUALLY WITH US. MR. PENA, ARE YOU THERE? SORRY. YES, I'M MUTED. HOW ARE YOU'ALL? GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UH, YES, PLEASE PROCEED. UH, SURE. UM, WELL, SO WE, WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, UM, IN 2018 WITH THE INTENT TO RESTORE IT. I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION BEFORE AND, AND GOTTEN APPROVAL FOR AN, AN ADDITION EXPANSION AND REMODELING OF THE BACK, WHICH WAS MOSTLY TO CORRECT I THINK SOME NON ALIGNING HIS, UH, WORK THAT WAS DONE BY OTHER OWNERS. WE, WE, WE SET OUT TO, TO MAKE THE HOUSE LOOK AS, AS, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, HISTORICALLY ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE. UM, REALLY ENHANCED THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FOUND WHEN WE BOUGHT IT. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE BACK, THE, THE, THE, THE ONCE SITING ADDITION WAS TURNED INTO STUCCO. UM, WE, WE USED THESE, UM, I THINK MORE CONSISTENT THIS, UH, WINDOWS IN THE BACK. THIS WAS ALL WORK THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. [03:30:01] UM, IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. WE HAD A FIRE RIGHT AT THE END OF THE PROCESS TO REMODEL, UH, THIS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE FIRE DAMAGE THERE. THE HOUSE WAS A COMPLETE LOSS ON THE INTERIOR. UM, THANKFULLY MY FAMILY AND I WERE, UH, SLEEPING IN THE BACK HOUSE AND EVERYONE'S SAFE. UM, BUT NOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REDO A LOT OF THE WORK, OBVIOUSLY ON THE INSIDE OR ALL OF IT. IT'S NOW DOWN TO THE BONES. UM, BUT ANYWAY, A HUGE SCARE, YOU KNOW, HAD A BIT OF BURDEN AND, AND, AND IN THE FIGHTING OF THE FIRE, AND BECAUSE OF THE FIRE ITSELF, THE WINDOWS, MOST OF THE WINDOWS WERE DESTROYED. AS YOU CAN SEE, I THINK, UH, RACHEL WAS OUT THERE AND SHE, SHE'S, SHE SAW FOR HERSELF, YOU KNOW, THE CONDITION THE WINDOWS ARE IN. SO NOT MUCH TO SAVE IN TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS, UNFORTUNATELY. SO, UM, WE, WE HAVE SELECTED WHAT WE THINK HAS BEEN ACCEPTABLE TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY, UM, UH, A, A WINDOW BY PELLA THAT IS ALUMINUM PLAID. UM, WE'RE KEEPING THE SAME TYPE OF WINDOW EVERYWHERE, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE WINDOW FROM PELLA, BECAUSE IT'S THE TRADITIONAL AND IT'S THE RESERVE SERIES, UH, IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, WITH THE GUIDELINES AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND THEM. UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, STAFF, UH, IS RECOMMENDING TO, TO REPLACE ALL OF 'EM WITH WHAT WE PROPOSED, MINUS, AND THIS IS WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, AND I WOULD ASK STAFF TO, TO JUST CLARIFY FOR ME, WHICH, WHICH WINDOWS EXACTLY ARE THE ONES THAT THEY ARE NOT APPROVING AND WHAT, AND, AND I, I KIND OF GET WHY, BUT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IF, IF WE PUT IN WOOD WINDOWS, UM, WHY JUST THOSE? AND ALSO, I WOULD APPEAL TO YOU ALL TO LET US MATCH ALL OF THEM. UM, THE, THE, I I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW AESTHETICALLY ONE COULD PERCEIVE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND WHAT THE FINAL PRODUCT WILL BE. BECAUSE I'M GONNA PAINT THE, THE WOOD WINDOWS THE SAME COLOR AS THE ALUMINUM PLAID WINDOWS, AND IT'LL LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME. THE PROFILES THE SAME. BOTH PROFILES MATCH IT, IT IS ONLY GOING TO SERVE TO DELAY THE PROJECT BECAUSE THOSE WINDOWS ARE SPECIAL ORDER AND THEY'LL TAKE A LOT LONGER. MY FAMILY'S ALREADY BEEN IN TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR, SINCE AUGUST, AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, DESPERATE TO, TO COME IN. UM, I KNOW THAT'S NOT FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY A BURDEN. AND IT, IF IT WASN'T, IF THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT FROM MY, YOU KNOW, TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HOME BY MOVING TO WOOD, THEN FINE, WE'LL WAIT THE EXTRA TWO, THREE MONTHS, I'M ALL FOR IT. WE, WE WANT IT TO DO THIS. RIGHT? BUT I I, IT'S, IT'S NOT WORTH IT BECAUSE IT'LL LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME. SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THE, THE DISPROPORTIONATE BURDEN FOR, FOR MOVING TO WOOD IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, PARTICULAR CASE. UM, SO THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S IT FOR THAT, FOR THE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE NORTH, THE WINDOWS WERE CLOSING, UM, I BELIEVE WERE CLOSING WINDOW OPENINGS THAT WEREN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOME, THAT THAT WAS IN A PREVIOUS ADDITION. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME. THEY FACE SAN PEDRO, I'M GONNA PLANT A HUGE LIA THERE BECAUSE THE PRIVACY IS A BIG ISSUE. AND THE, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, THAT THAT LITTLE, THAT, THAT SMALL ENCLOSURE THAT WAS ADDED AT SOME POINT, WE JUST KIND OF WANNA HIDE IT. YOU KNOW, WE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE IT LOOK AS NICE AS POSSIBLE, THEN WE JUST KIND OF WANT TO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY. BUT IT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T KILL US IF WE, IF, IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THAT, I WOULD JUST SAY IT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE ARCHITECTURALLY, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ORIGINAL ANYWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, AND SO THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S THE, THE GIST OF WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD WANT YOU ALL TO CONSIDER. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COULD STAFF, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ARE THERE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? THERE IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT IN YOUR FOLDERS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, COULD STAFF CLARIFY WHY THEY SIT, THEY RECOMMEND THAT THE EAST WINDOWS BE FULLY WOOD [03:35:01] AND THE, THE ALUMINUM CLOUD COULD BE USED ELSEWHERE? YES, I CAN CLARIFY. UH, SO THE WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN NOW ARE, UM, EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS. ALL OF THE REMAINING WINDOWS ON THE STRUCTURE ARE PREVIOUS REPLACEMENTS. SO EITHER ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS OR VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING. AND SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT SHOULD WINDOWS BE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR, THAT THEY'RE REPLACED IN KIND TO MATCH EXISTING. THANK YOU. CAN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THAT? SO JUST, SO YES, SIR. SO, UM, AGAIN, I I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT AESTHETICALLY THIS WOULD BE, I ALMOST, THE WOOD ONES WOULD BE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE ONES THAT WERE APPROVED EVERYWHERE ELSE, AND THEY FACE THE NEIGHBOR, SO THEY, IT LIKE THE LOOK FROM THE STREET WON'T, AGAIN, YOU JUST WON'T GET THE, THE INTENDED BENEFITS FROM THIS CHANGE. MR. CHAIR, LET ME ASK A QUESTION FOR, UH, STAFF. UH, THE, UH, THE GENTLEMAN, UH, PRESENTS A, A VERY VALID ARGUMENT. CAN, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY HIS ARGUMENT WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? SO, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH STATE THAT SHOULD WINDOWS BE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR AND ELIGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT. THEY'RE REPLACED, UM, TO MATCH EXISTING MATERIAL, PROFILE DIMENSIONS, ET CETERA. SO, SO ARE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT THE, THE ARGUMENT IS THAT IF YOU CAN FIX 'EM, FIX 'EM, AND, AND, AND, BECAUSE THERE'S NO ARGUMENT FOR CHANGING THEM IF THEY'RE FIXABLE. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN IF THEY CANNOT BE REPAIRED, THAT THEY ARE REPLACED TO MATCH EXISTING. OKAY. NOW, UH, SIR, UH, HAVING HEARD THAT, UH, HOW DO YOU, HOW, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT WHAT THE CITY'S WHAT WHAT THE STAFF IS SAYING IS THAT, THAT THE WINDOW CAN'T ARGUE FOR ITSELF. SO THEY'RE ARGUING FOR THE WOOD WINDOW THAT'S SAYING, HEY, DON'T KILL ME. I'M STILL ALIVE. RIGHT? AND, AND, AND YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT ARGUMENT? I, WELL, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE, NO PUN INTENDED. AGREE. BUT, UM, BUT THE, I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE, IT'S BEEN DETERMINED THAT THEY ARE NOT REPAIRABLE. SO THE WINDOW IS DEAD. OKAY. THE ISSUE HERE IS I'M REPLACING THEM IN MY, MY DEFINITION OF INKIND IS ALUMINUM CLAD THAT LOOKS IDENTICAL WHEN PAINTED, WHEN, YOU KNOW, IDENTICAL TO PAINTED WOOD WINDOWS. I HEAR YOU. I HEAR YOU. I, I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT. THAT'S, THAT'S IN KIND AND, AND I, AND IBEL, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE IT MIGHT BE AN EXCEPTION TO THE GUIDELINES, BUT THE BURDEN, AND, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO THE DIMINUTIVE, UH, AESTHETIC, IF ANY, SORRY, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT RIGHT HERE. MS. IT WOULD BE MM-HMM. , THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE'RE HERE, RIGHT? THIS IS WHY THE COMMISSION IS HERE, IS WHEN STAFF CAN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT GOES BEYOND THE GUIDELINES. I THINK THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE, AND I REMEMBER APPROVING THE PATIO DOORS THAT YOU HAVE, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS MAKING A CASE FOR A FULL WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT, YOU CAN SAY OR REPLACING WITH THE WINDOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. UM, I UNDERSTAND STAFF STANDPOINT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE USUALLY DO, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT WOULD ACTUALLY, I THINK THE HOUSE WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING THE SAME TYPE OF WINDOW ALL OVER THE HOUSE. I WOULD SUPPORT THE APPLICATION APPLICANT'S REQUEST ON THE WINDOWS. THANK YOU. WELL, I, UH, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANNA COMPLETE, COMPLETE THE, THE COMMENTS. I, I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER GRU'S, UH, UH, COMMENTS INSIDE OF IT ARE, I APPRECIATE THOSE AS WELL. I'M, I'M JUST, UH, TRYING TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THAT IF THE WINDOW IS DEAD RIGHT, IF IT HAS NO FUTURE, AND THAT THE CHOICE WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT WITH IT IN KIND, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A REPAIRABLE WINDOW, WHICH I THINK IS THE WAY THAT I'M INTERPRETING WHAT STAFF IS SAYING, BUT, BUT APPARENTLY I THINK I'VE GOT THAT LITTLE PIECE, LITTLE OFF THAT IF THEY'RE GONNA BE REPLACED, THAT THIS APPLICANT MAKES A REALLY GOOD ARGUMENT. BUT IT'S NOT JUST SO MUCH ABOUT THE, THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S A MATCHING PROFILE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IN, IN A, IN ANOTHER WORLD, I THINK THAT WE COULD EVEN SAY MAYBE A SUPERIOR WINDOW, RIGHT? UH, SO I'M WITH COMMISSIONER GROUP AS WELL. I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, APPLICANT AS, AS REQUESTED, AND I WOULD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK ADD. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT, UM, IN [03:40:01] ADDITION TO THE PROFILE OF THE SASH AND THE ACTUAL LIKE STORE-BOUGHT PRODUCT, THE, THERE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THIS, BUT ON ALL OF THE OLD WINDOWS, THERE IS A COVE BEAD THAT WRAPS AROUND THE ENTIRE WINDOW. AND SO I'M GOING TO ADD THAT COVE BEAD IN WOOD AS WELL, AND THEN MATCH THE, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M TAKING THAT ADDED STEP OF, OF, OF ADDING THAT, THAT OF ADDITIONAL WOOD DETAIL TO THE, OUT TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE WINDOW. UM, SO AGAIN, IT, IT WOULD BE IDENTICAL TO THE HISTORIC, AND THAT'S, AND THAT WOULD BE THE REQUEST. AND I WOULD ALSO KEEP THE WINDOW SPECIFICATION AND SIZES AND ALL THAT IN THERE, RIGHT? THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE APPROVED THIS. I REMEMBER SEVERAL, AND, AND COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, THIS IS WHY WE LOOK AT EVERY CASE, SINGLE CASE AS INDIVIDUAL CASES, AND WE ARE NOT GOING USE THIS IN THE FUTURE FOR OTHER CASES. EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT. THIS HOUSE ALREADY HAS NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS, A LOT OF THEM THAT ALSO HAVE BEEN DAMAGED. UM, MAYBE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, AGENDA AND TIME, CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE WINDOWS THAT YOU ARE REMOVING? YOU SAID THAT ONE OF THEM WAS ON THE ADDITION. I THINK THERE'S TWO, RIGHT? JUST TO BE CLEAR. WELL, THE ADDITION THAT, THAT THERE'S THREE, I GUESS THERE'S THREE ADDITIONS. THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN ADDITION, RIGHT? HOW MANY WINDOWS ARE YOU REMOVING? RIGHT? SO THE, IF YOU SEE HERE ON THE RIGHT, ON THAT WEST ELEVATION ON THE, ON THE RIGHT, IN THIS DRAWING, AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM ON THE DRAWING IN THE WEST ELEVATION. SO THAT, I THINK IT'S, IT WAS AN OLD PORCH LIKE, OR PORT RICOCHET OF SOME SORT. THERE'S DETAILING ON THE INSIDE THAT TELL ME THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS FILLED IN AT SOME POINT. YOU CAN SEE THE OPENINGS, YOU SEE THE, YOU SEE THE DETAIL WITH THE, WITH THE MOLDING THERE, THERE'S A SHADOW LINE ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT WINDOW. SO THAT, THAT'S A MARKED OPENING THAT WAS FILLED IN. I, I, I'M, I'M GUESSING SOMETIME IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE SIXTIES ISH, UM, MAYBE, MAYBE A LITTLE EARLIER THAN THAT, BASED ON THE MATERIAL. 'CAUSE IT'S REAL PLASTER. UH, BUT THOSE WINDOWS AND THE, AND THE FILL-IN WAS ADDED. IT'S NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOME ANYWAY. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I FELT, YOU KNOW, I FELT THAT LIBERTY TO MAKE THAT PROPOSITION. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. MAY I FOLLOW UP ON THAT? WITH THE APPLICANT, WHY ARE, ARE YOU PROPOSING TO REMOVE ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS AND NOT THE OTHER FOR THE SAME REASON? WELL, THE , IT HAS TO DO WITH THE PROGRAM ON THE INSIDE. SO ONE SIDE IS GONNA BE AN, A HOME OFFICE, AND THE WINDOW TO THE WEST, UM, JUST DOESN'T WORK. IT, I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALL DON'T, IF YOU ALL TELL ME NOT TO FILL IT, NOT TO FILL IT IN, THEN I'M GONNA FILL IT IN ON THE INSIDE ANYWAY, WHICH IS FINE. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT, YOU KNOW, THIS WON'T KILL ME. UM, YEAH, BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THE, THE WINDOW AND THE BATHROOM IS OKAY TO LET LIGHT IN, AND THE WINDOW ON THAT FACES NORTH IN THE BATHROOM IS LOOKING OUT INTO LIKE WHERE ALL THE UTILITY ME IS AND ALL THAT. SO I JUST, I DON'T WANNA LOOK OUT THERE. SO IT, IT IS JUST ARCHITECTURE, IT'S JUST A PREFERENCE REALLY. YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE THAT THOSE WERE NOT ORIGINAL. IT DOES APPEAR TO BE A PORCH THAT WAS INFILLED, BUT THERE'S ALSO CERTAIN DESIGN PRINCIPLES THAT THE HOUSE EMPLOYS THIS SORT OF LOCAL SYMMETRY WITHIN AN OVERALL ASYMMETRICAL COMPOSITION. SO IT BECOMES KINDA LIKE A, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE EYES GET KNOCKED OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE COMPOSITION. IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE ODD. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHY ONE WAS BEING PREFERRED OVER THE OTHER ONE, WHY ONE WAS BEING KEPT AND THE OTHER ONE OTHER ONE WAS, WAS BEING ELIMINATED. SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THE AREA FACING WEST, AND ON THE ONE FACING NORTH, IT CONTINUES TO BE SYMMETRICAL EVEN WITHOUT THE OPENING. UM, MR. MR. CHAIR, MAY I? YES. COMMISSIONER SINA. THANK YOU. UM, CONSIDERING IT'S THE INTERIOR CONDITION THAT YOU'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO KEEPING THE WINDOW IN PLACE ON THE, IN THE FRAME AND SHEET ROCKING OVER IT ON THE INSIDE? SURE, YEAH. AS, AS A WAY TO MAINTAIN THE SYMMETRY AND THE SCALE OF THE, THAT SMALL ADDITION? YEAH, I, I, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. IS ARE WE CLOSE FOR A MOTION? CAN WE SPECIFY WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? BOTH. ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT WE KEEP BOTH WINDOWS? YES. YES. CAN WE SEE THE ELEVATION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I TEND TO, UH, CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER S UH, S'S THOUGHTS ON THE, ON THESE WINDOWS. IF THIS WERE NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE'D BE KIND OF LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS REQUESTING ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION. I THINK BLANKING THEM OUT ON THE INSIDE IS THE BEST, UH, OPTION HERE, UM, FOR BOTH [03:45:01] THEIR PROPOSED. SO I SUPPORT STAFF'S POSITION THERE. I ALSO SUPPORT THE FULL REPLACEMENT OF THE ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOWS AS PROPOSED. SO THEREFORE I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE WITH STIPULATION TWO, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD, UH, WINDOWS STIPULATIONS. MM-HMM. AND DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE, THE CLOSING OF THE TWO WINDOWS. I'LL SECOND IT. COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ABSENT. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. ZER. AYE. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS VERY HELPFUL. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 38. UM, THIS IS H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 3 1 22 PRINCESS PASS. UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 29 EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS. UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. B THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS. SHOULD THE H D R C FIND REPLACEMENT OF THE WOOD WINDOWS TO BE APPROPRIATE, STAFF STIPULATES THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS MUST MEET THE STANDARDS. SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT IS LISTED. OKAY, SO WE, THIS IS A HOUSE THAT'S BEEN IN MY FAMILY FOR ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS, AND SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. AND A NUMBER OF THE WINDOWS, I MEAN QUITE A FEW OF THEM HAVE ALL HAD, UH, GLASS REPLACEMENTS. I DID, WHEN I PURCHASED THE HOUSE FROM MY FAMILY, I TRIED TO HAVE, UM, A BUNCH OF THE WINDOWS REPAIRED AND IT JUST, IT NEVER LOOKED GOOD. IT DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO A WHOLE LOT TO FIX 'EM BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH WOOD ROT THAT THE PERSON TRYING TO RESTORE THEM JUST SAID THAT HE COULDN'T RESTORE THEM BECAUSE THE OUTSIDE WAS SO ROTTED. UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE HOPING TO REPLACE THEM WITH THE WOOD WINDOWS. I THINK THE, UM, ARCHED WINDOWS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WERE KIND OF THE EXCEPTION THAT WE'VE COME, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD UNDERSTAND NOT REPLACING THOSE 'CAUSE THEY'RE SO UNIQUE. UM, BUT EVEN THOSE WOULD, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM, THE ARCHES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, COMPLETELY REBUILT. I MEAN, THEY'RE LIKE MADE OF PUTTY INSIDE. THEY'RE JUST, THERE'S NO WOOD LEFT TO THEM. SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE ASKING TO REPLACE THEM WITH, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR WINDOWS. THEY WOULD BE CUSTOM MADE, SO THEY WOULDN'T, IF THE PROFILE, UM, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING THAT WOULD CHANGE AS FAR AS WHERE THEY WOULD BE PLACED OR THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW OR THEY WOULD ALL FIT IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? UH, WE DO HAVE ONE, UM, ONE LETTER IN SUPPORT, BUT NO VOICEMAILS. THANK YOU. TO BE CLEAR, THAT LETTER IS SUPPORT OF, IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S POSITION. OKAY. UH, YES, SIR. OR, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I'M SORRY. OH, SORRY, SORRY. THIS, THIS IS IN SUPPORT OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL OF THE REQUEST. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I READ IT CORRECTLY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IN GENERALLY, I, I WOULD TOTALLY SUPPORT STAFF ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT I, AS I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, I DO SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME WINDOWS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'VE GONE THROUGH NUMEROUS REPAIRS, UM, AND ARE KIND [03:50:01] OF COBBLED TOGETHER IN THEIR CURRENT STATE. AND I SEE A LOT OF PRETTY ADVANCED DETERIORATION, UH, PARTICULARLY IN SILLS AND IN THE CORNERS OF, OF, UH, JAMS. I'M THINKING THAT THIS MIGHT BE ONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A D R C SITE VISIT TO REALLY KIND OF LAY HANDS ON THE, THE WINDOWS AND, AND EXAMINE THEM FOR MYSELF. COMM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MY THINKING IS. MY, MY THINKING IS AS WELL. UM, IT'S A VERY LARGE REPLACEMENT REQUEST AND GETTING A REAL GOOD SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE WINDOWS THERE WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST HERE TODAY. WELL, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE ARCH WINDOWS. AND THAT MIGHT BE THE PATHWAY TOWARDS SOME KIND OF, UH, RESOLUTION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU RETAIN THOSE THAT ARE TRULY REALLY SIGNIFICANT AND UNIQUE TO THE BUILDING AND YOU GO THE EXTRA MILE TO TRY TO RESTORE THOSE, UH, REHABILITATE THOSE, BUT THEN LOOK AT, UH, THEN REPLACEMENT IF, IF IT IS INDEED WARRANTED. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR, UM, THE CASE TO BE REFERRED TO A D R C COMMISSIONER GROUP. I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. WOULD YOU CLARIFY THAT THAT'S A SITE VISIT? YES. MY APOLOGIES. A SITE VISIT. JUST COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF ON SOMETHING BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD REAL QUICK. YES, SIR. UM, JUST KIND OF TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE GET OUT TO THE SITE VISIT, IF WE COULD STAFF AND HAVE ELABORATE ON HOW MUCH IS, IS, IS CONSIDERED ORIGINAL WINDOW LIFT. I MEAN, WHEN IT'S, IT'S TOO MUCH PUTTY. IF THERE'S MORE PUTTY THAN WOOD, I MEAN, WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE AS FAR AS GUIDELINES ON THAT FROM, FROM STAFF? JUST KIND OF BRING THAT TO BEAR WHEN WE DO THE VISIT. OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ABSENT MA? AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND LA PHONE? AYE. MOTION PASSES. AGENDA ITEM 39, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 39 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH OH 1 7 6 30 NOLAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING THREE FOOT WOOD PICKET FENCE WITH A FOUR FOOT BLACK WR IRON FENCE. NUMBER TWO, INSTALL A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE SOUTH REAR AND WEST PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. UM, VIC, ONE SECOND. I'LL READ YOUR, OH, I'M SORRY. RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH A STIPULATION THAT THE NEW WR IRON FENCE SHOULD NOT EXCEED, UH, THREE FEET BASED ON FINDING B. NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDING C WITH A STIPULATION THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT DOES NOT EXCEED SIX FEET AND THAT THE REAR FENCE IS SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. ADDITIONALLY, THE FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 DASH 514. THANK YOU. COOPER OUT OF Q H, I'M THE OWNER. UM, SO WITH THIS PROPERTY, UM, I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN OCTOBER AND THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THE FENCE WAS FOUR FOOT. IT WAS A WOODEN FENCE AND THEY HAD DONE A BUNCH OF STUFF TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS NOT PERMITTED. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALREADY REPLACED 10 WINDOWS, THE HOUSE HAS A NEW FOUNDATION, UM, I'M REPLACING THE DOORS. UM, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK TO, TO DONE TO THIS HOME. UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO DO WAS DO A FOUR FOOT FENCE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. UM, ONE FOOT FOR A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL SECURITY, UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT WANDER BY. I'VE HAD A COUPLE SLEEPING IN THE YARD, SO IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT EXTRA FOOT. UH, THE PREVIOUS FENCE THAT WAS THERE, THAT ONE WAS ACTUALLY FOUR FOOT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE, I HAVE A SIX FOOT FENCE ON THE OTHER CORNER ACROSS FROM ME. AND I ALSO HAVE A FOUR FOOT FENCE ON THE OTHER CORNER. AND THEN THE PARK IS ON THE OTHER CORNER, WHICH NOW HAS A TEMPORARY, UH, FENCE WHILE THEY'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION. SO, UM, ONE THREE FOOT IS A VERY, IT'S A PANEL THAT NOBODY REALLY SELLS, SO IT'S A FIND ROD IRON PANEL. I'VE HAD A HARD TIME LOOKING FOR A THREE FOOT ONE. UM, FOUR FOOT IS WHAT'S BEEN READILY AVAILABLE TO BUY. AND NUMBER TWO, THERE'S, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY THREE FOOT IN HISTORIC. I DROVE AROUND AND TOOK PICTURES OF A BUNCH OF HOMES AND A LOT OF 'EM TEND TO BE FIVE FOOT. UM, SO FOR THE ADDITIONAL SECURITY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A FOUR FOOT FENCE AROUND THE FRONT AND THE SIDE, AND THEN THE SIX FOOT, [03:55:01] UM, WOODEN PANEL, UM, AROUND ON THE BACK OF THE HOME. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? UH, THERE ARE NO COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. THANK YOU. IF, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. ARE THERE NEIGHBORING FENCE HEIGHTS THAT ARE AT THREE FEET? IS THAT WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION IS COMING FROM? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL ANSWER THAT. SO YES, ACROSS THE STREET THERE IS A APPROXIMATELY THREE FOOT KIND OF HISTORIC AGE FENCE. WHEN THE REQUEST FOR THE FENCE THAT YOU SEE THERE NOW AT THIS ADDRESS, SIX 30 NOLAN CAME, WHAT, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. THE RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME WAS TO MATCH THE HEIGHT OF THE ADJACENT NEARBY HISTORIC FENCES. AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION. AND SO WE DID NOT SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE THAT RECOMMENDATION, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT THAT IS, THAT WAS WHAT WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED. AND SO WE JUST MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS ONE, THE PREVIOUS FOREFOOT, THE PREVIOUS FENCE THAT EXISTED THAT WAS FOUR FEET, THAT WASN'T RELATED TO PREVIOUS ACTIONS THAT PREDATED THOSE. MAYBE I'M NOT EXPLAINING THIS WELL. SO THE, THE WOOD FENCE THAT'S ON THIS PROPERTY NOW WAS BUILT JUST THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO AND CAME TO THE COMMISSION. THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND THE ACTION BY H T R C AT THAT TIME WAS FOR THE THREE FOOT FENCE THAT YOU SEE TODAY. AND SO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO GO HIGHER AND WE HAVE MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS ACTION. JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT COMMENT, THERE WAS, UM, SOMETHING FROM, UH, HI HISTORIC THAT THAT FENCE WAS NON-COMPLIANT. SO I'VE ALREADY REMOVED THAT FENCE. SO THAT FENCE WAS, IT WAS ACTUALLY FOUR FEET TALL AND THE POSTS WERE HIGHER THAN THE PANELS. SO THAT WAS A NON-COMPLIANT STRUCTURE THAT THEY, THE FENCE WAS NON-COMPLIANT THAT THEY PUT IN MR. CHAIR. MAY I? YES MA'AM. TAKE A MOMENT. UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY AND THAT INTERSECTION AND I UNDERSTAND THE SECURITY ISSUE. UM, I, I THINK PART OF THE SECURITY, UH, CONCERNS, UH, WILL BE, BE ALLEVIATED BY OCCUPANCY OF THAT HOUSE AND YEAH, ABSOLUTELY ACTIVATING THAT PROPERTY. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON THAT THERE ARE TRESPASSERS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO CHASE 'EM OFF. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO SECURITY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A THREE AND A FOUR FOOT FENCE IS REALLY NEGLIGIBLE. IF I CAN GET OVER A THREE FOOT FENCE, I CAN GET OVER A FOUR FOOT FENCE. SO IT'S, UM, THE FENCE, HOWEVER, DOES OFFER SECURITY AS AN INITIAL BARRIER. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT SORT OF DELAYS AND THAT'S PART OF THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE PICKETS OR THE SPIKES OR THE SWORDS AT THE VERY TOP. IT JUST SORT OF ADDS ONE MORE OBSTACLE. UM, BECAUSE OF THE SURROUNDING FENCES AND THE FRONT FENCES IN THAT AREA. I WOULD, UM, ENCOURAGE YOU TO FIND A FENCE STYLE THAT GIVES YOU THE SECURITY AT THREE FEET AND GIVES YOU THE DESIGN THAT YOU WANT. THIS IS A, A FOLK VICTORIAN THAT HAS LOST SOME OF ITS GOTHIC TRIM. IT WAS INCREDIBLE FIVE, EIGHT YEARS AGO. UM, UH, SO SOMETHING IN KEEPING WITH THAT STYLE WOULD BE, UH, MOST APPROPRIATE. BUT I THINK THE THREE FOOT WILL OFFER YOU ABOUT THE SAME SECURITY AS A FOUR FOOT FOR THAT REASON. THANK YOU. MI, MR. CHAIR IS, IS THERE AN AERIAL OF THIS? UH, OR, OR, I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF IF, IF THEY HAVE AN AERIAL, CAN YOU OKAY. THE, THE REASON WHY I ASK FOR THAT IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I JUST KIND OF, UM, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT SOMEHOW WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY A PERSON GOES OVER A FENCE OR, UM, OR WHAT IS IT THAT KEEPS A PERSON ON ONE SIDE OF THE FENCE. WE, WE, WE JUST CAN'T, CAN'T SAY THAT, RIGHT? UM, BUT THE LOCATION IS VERY, I THINK VERY IMPORTANT TO, UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. WE, UH, SAW, UM, A CASE VERY RECENTLY THAT IS GONNA DRAMATICALLY CHANGE THE, THE URBAN LANDSCAPE HERE FAR GREATER THAN A THREE FOOT FENCE. UM, SO THERE, THERE'S, IT'S VERY HARD TO HAVE AN ARGUMENT AGAINST, [04:00:01] UH, WHAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS, IS, IS, UH, PROPOSING, CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE GONNA CLOSE ONE OF THOSE STREETS THERE, THERE'S PARKING THAT'S GONNA COME IN AND THAT'S GONNA BRING A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN, UH, WHAT EXISTS TODAY. AND IT, AND IT ALSO MEANS, AND IT WAS A CONCERN THAT I HAD AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT THERE WAS A PLACE FOR IT OR THAT IT'S EVEN RELEVANT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE IDEA THAT, THAT THE PARK IS GOING TO GO UNDERGO DRAMATIC CHANGES THAT IS GOING TO REALLY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE, UH, YOU KNOW, CELEBRATIONS, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, USING THE, JUST LIKE THEY DO AT SOUTHTOWN, RIGHT? JUST USING THE, THE YARDS FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO USE 'EM FOR. HOWEVER, IT IS THAT PEOPLE BEHAVE WHEN THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THESE LARGE, UH, UH, PUBLIC, PUBLIC, UH, PRIVATE ACTIVITIES. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IS, UM, UM, CAN, CAN BE LOOKED AT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING THERE IN THIS PICTURE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THIS ENVIRONMENT IS GOING TO GONNA CHANGE DRAMATICALLY. I THINK IT'S MORE A QUESTION OF WHAT HE PROPOSES AND WHAT FOLLOWS A A A, UM, A GUIDELINE OR FOLLOWS A, YOU KNOW, THE SPIRIT OF DESIGN. I MEAN, IF HE WAS PROPOSING, UH, CYLINDRICAL OR SOLID BAR, UM, UH, RAT IRON, UH, SPACED A LITTLE FURTHER THAN, THAN NORMAL, UH, MORE TRANSPARENT, BUT SOMETHING THAT GOT HIM TO GET CLOSER TO THE HEIGHT OF, OF WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT, THAT, THAT SEES A LOT OF CROSS TRAFFIC OF STRANGERS, RIGHT? THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE CROSSING FROM THE EAST TO DOWNTOWN AND, AND, AND, AND MOST DEFINITELY RIGHT NORTH OF THIS PICTURE, IT, IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME PART, IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME STREET ANYMORE, RIGHT? SO RIGHT HERE, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHERE THIS HOUSE IS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE TRAVELING NORTH AND RIGHT AT THAT SPOT IT'S GONNA CHANGE FROM A FOUR LANE TO A TWO LANE. THAT'S GONNA CAUSE ALL KINDS OF TRAFFIC BEHAVIORS THAT THIS APPLICANT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE AWARE OF. SO I THINK, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING AND SOME MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR AND WHAT THE STANDARD WOULD BE, WHICH IN THIS KIND OF URBAN SETTING, LIKE I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A FOUR STORY BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS LITTLE BUILDING WHEN IT WAS BUILT RIGHT. IN THIS URBAN SETTING, WHAT EXACTLY A THREE FOOT FENCE IS GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO DO EXCEPT TO SAY THAT YOU ARE GONNA BE USED AS A, AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE THREE FOOT FENCE WORKS? I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I I, I JUST, I I JUST THINK THAT, THAT, THAT TO, TO NOT LISTEN, TO NOT BE REASONABLE TO SOME MIDDLE GROUND WHERE HE CAN GET TO THE LEVEL OF PERSONAL SECURITY OR RENTAL SECURITY, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. AND OUR OBJECTIVE, WHICH IS REALLY JUST KIND OF FINDING WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE AESTHETICS. UH, I'LL, I'M HOPEFUL THAT ANOTHER COMMISSIONER WILL JUMP IN THERE AND TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF IT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THIS IS, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AND LOOKING, I WENT TO GOOGLE AND I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, DECORATIVE IRON FENCE ACROSS NOLAN STREET FROM YOUR PROPERTY AND STAFF THINKS IT'S CLOSER TO THREE FEET. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IT MAY BE CLOSER TO FOUR FEET. YEAH, I MEASURED IT AND TOOK, UH, ONE WAY FORWARD ON THIS MAY BE TO APPROVE A FENCE, A, UH, METAL PICKET FENCE THAT'S NO TALLER THAN THE TALLEST ELEMENT OF THAT FENCE BECAUSE IT IS, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU MEASURE, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THREE FEET, THREE AND A HALF, FOUR FEET. YEAH. IT'S DIFFERENT HEIGHTS. EXACTLY. RIGHT. SO IF, IF THE APPLICANT CAN WORK WITH STAFF, DETERMINE THE, THE TALLEST SECTION OF THAT FENCE AND THAT WOULD BE THE, THE HEIGHT OF YOUR FENCE. THAT'D BE MY, MY ONE SUGGESTION. AND, AND ONE THING JUST TO ADD, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT FRONT YARD FENCES, FOUR FEET IS USUALLY THE STANDARD AND I, I'VE JUST KIND OF GONE UP AND DOWN GOOGLE EARTH AND THE MAJORITY OF THESE AROUND THIS AREA ARE FOUR FEET. I THINK THIS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR FEET ACROSS THE STREET IS GETTING A LITTLE BIT INTO WEEDS. I WOULD SUPPORT A FENCE NOT TO EXCEED FOUR FEET FOR ITEM ONE. IS THAT A MOTION I JUST BELIEVE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, WITH THE REQUEST? SO I'LL MAKE IT AN EMO AN A MOTION AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, ITEM ONE NOT TO EXCEED FOUR FEET, [04:05:01] UM, IN ITEMS TWO, NOT TO EXCEED SIX FEET AND STAFF STIPULATIONS. I, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE, THE APPLICANT. NOW LET'S, LET'S GET TO, WHAT HEIGHT ARE YOU, UH, LOOKING FOR? FOUR FEET. NO MORE THAN FOUR FEET. FOUR FEET. WELL THAT'S A, THAT'S A WIN-WIN THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. YES SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, IF WE COULD JUST GO BRIEFLY TO, UH, SHEET NUMBER 13 IN THE PACKET. IT'S THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE EXTENT OF THE, YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS, IS MAKING A PRETTY, UH, RESPONSIBLE REQUEST HERE WHERE YOU SEE THE SIX FEET IS ENDING AT THE FRONT PLANE FOR THE, THE SIDE. UH, AND THEN WRAPPING TO, UH, WHAT I GUESS IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN IN RESPONSE TO THE FACT THAT HE'S ON A CORNER LOT, HE'S GOT FOUR FEET OPENED ALL THE WAY ALONG THE LENGTH OF, OF THE, UM, OF THE HACKBERRY, UH, UH, PROPERTY BOUNDARY. SO I, I, I, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT HE WASN'T ASKING FOR SIX FEET ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FRONT OF THE, UH, THE HOUSE ON HACKBERRY AS WELL. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M IN SUPPORT OF HIS REQUEST AND, AND SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CHAIR? YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. UM, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN YOUR FOUR FOOT FENCE MEETS YOUR NEIGHBOR'S THREE FOOT FENCE, WE HAVE A ONE FOOT OVERRIDE CORRECT? TO THE, UH, TO THE SOUTH ON HACKBERRY. I'M NOT SURE. UM, THEIR FENCE, THERE'S A FENCE, THREE FOOT FENCE THERE. FENCE. SO ON THE HACKBERRY SIDE, MY NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH HAS A THREE FOOT FENCE. I BELIEVE SO. I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THEY HAVE A TALLER FENCE. I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO FIVE ON THAT SIDE. FIVE, YEAH. DO WE, CAN WE LOOK AT A, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT IT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT CON THAT CONTINUITY OF FENCE LINE FOR SURE IS SMOOTH. YEAH. EVEN OTHER WAY. OH, THIS SIDE? YEP. DOWN HACKBERRY? YEP. MM-HMM. , THE HACKBERRY SIDE. THERE WE GO. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S IS CLOSER TO, YEAH. FOUR. YEAH, THAT'S CLOSER TO FOUR. OKAY. THAT'S THE, THE EDGE. YEP. I WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, DID YOU STEP AWAY? AYE. AYE. ABSENT NOTED. AYE. AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP. AYE. ANTES? YES. BE SIR. AYE. AND LA AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. YOU VERY MUCH. Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. I BELIEVE THAT IS IT. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE FOR TWO. ADJOURN. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. I SECOND. GABRIEL. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY AYE. AYE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. YES, THANK YOU EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.