* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] ALL RIGHTY. IT IS JANUARY 26, 2:03 PM I'M CALLING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. DO WE HAVE A SPANISH INTERPRETER IN ATTENDANCE? HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS TO INFORM YOU THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE NEEDING THESE SERVICES. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO APPROACH THE INTERPRETER CABIN LOCATED, UH, RIGHT, UH, NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE WHERE THE RED CURTAINS ARE AT. WE WANNA START THIS. THANK YOU. MAY STAFF CONDUCT THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. UH, COMMISSIONER CARILLO HAYNES. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER CHRISTOPHER GARCIA. PRESENTER. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL. HERE. COMMISSIONER ZUKI. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. HERE. COMMISSIONER PROPHET. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. HERE. COMMISSIONER ORIAN. HERE. MADAM CHAIR GONZALEZ. HERE. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. UH, WE DO HAVE TWO AGENDAS TODAY. CONSENT AND INDIVIDUAL. ALL ITEMS ARE ON CONSENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN, WHICH ARE BEING PULLED FOR PURPOSES OF, UH, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. ITEMS 8, 9, 11 AND 12. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PROFIT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CREO HAYNES? YES. COMMISSIONER CHRISTOPHER GARCIA. YES. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. YES. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER ORIAN? YES. MADAM CHAIR GONZALEZ? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA GO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER AND TAKE, TAKE [Other Items  ] ITEM NUMBER 11 FIRST, WHICH IS THE APPOINTMENT OF TWO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO THE P T A C. DO I HAVE, UH, NOMINATION OR NOMINATIONS FOR A PLANNING COMMISSIONER TO BE APPOINTED FOR A TWO YEAR TERM? NOMINATE, UH, COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA FOR THE PERMANENT POSITION TO PTAC THAT. MICHAEL GARCIA. DO I HAVE A SECOND NOMINATION OR ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? A SECOND. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE. ON THE FIRST NOMINATION FOR THE PERMANENT TWO YEAR TERM, COMMISSIONER CREO HAYNES. YES. COMMISSIONER CHRISTOPHER GARCIA. YES. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER ORIAN? YES. MADAM CHAIR GONZALEZ? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. NOW, DO I HAVE A NOMINATION FOR THE ALTERNATE? I WOULD GO. I NOMINATE MYSELF. NO. THANK YOU, SIR. SECOND, THE NOMINATION. EVERYBODY'S QUIET. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY, UM, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CILLO HAYNES? YES. COMMISSIONER CHRISTOPHER GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER ORIAN? YES. UM, MADAM CHAIR GONZALEZ? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GARCIA. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ZUKI FOR SERVING. APPRECIATE YOU. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS NEXT ON THE AGENDA. UH, WE DID HAVE A NOMINATION COM. I'M, I'M GOING INTO YOUR PRESENTATION AND SO WE'LL, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE'LL JUST START OFF WITH THE STAFF PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT. UH, SO THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 IS FOR, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER APPLICANT'S FOR, [00:05:01] UH, AND POSSIBLY MAKE APPOINTMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UH, IN SHORT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION A FEW WEEKS AGO APPOINTED A NOMINATING COMMITTEE THAT WAS VICE CHAIR, UH, COMMISSIONER PECK, UH, COMMISSIONER PROFIT AND COMMISSIONER SIEGEL. UH, THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW A TOTAL OF 29 APPLICATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FOR A NUMBER OF POSITIONS ON THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, A TOTAL OF 11 INTERVIEWS WERE CONDUCTED, UH, AND THE FOLLOWING CANDIDATES WERE RECOMMENDED FROM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE, UH, FOR COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE. THE NOMINATING COMMITTEES, UH, SELECTED ALEX RAMIREZ, JESSE VASQUEZ, AND BIANCA MALDONADO FOR THE PRIMARY ENVIRONMENTAL REPRESENTATIVE, CHRISTOPHER FULLERTON WAS RECOMMENDED. THE ALTERNATIVE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REPRESENTATIVE WAS DOMINIC DOMINGUEZ, AND THE LAST POSITION WE NEEDED, UH, WAS AN ALTERNATE FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST. THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE SELECTED DANIEL LAZARRE. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY HAS THE OPTION TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE OR ELSE CONDUCT INTERVIEWS FOR THOSE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU AGAIN TO COMMISSIONER PROFIT AND COMMISSIONER SIEGEL FOR SERVING ON THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE. UH, THANK YOU TO ALL THAT APPLIED AND ALL THAT. TOOK THE TIME TO, UH, BE A PART OF THE INTERVIEWS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, FROM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE? SO MOVED. SECOND ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CARILLO HAYNES. YES. COMMISSIONER CHRISTOPHER GARCIA. YES. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. YES. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSCHI. AYE. COMMISSIONER ORIAN? YES. MADAM CHAIR GONZALEZ? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. NEXT IN OUR AGENDA IS ITEM [Variances  ] NUMBER SIX. DO WE HAVE A STAFF OR DO WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. UM, WE DO HAVE A QUICK BRIEFING OF, UH, THE VARIANCE FOR THE, UH, BRECKENRIDGE BOND PROJECT, AND SO THE 2017 BOND. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, THE GENERAL LOCATION IS OFF OF HILL DEBR ALONG THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. IT'S LOCATED IN DISTRICT TWO, AND, UH, THE CODE SECTION THAT WE'RE PRESENTING IS FOR, UH, PRES, UH, MITIGATION IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND THE FLOODPLAIN BUFFERS. THE HARDSHIP THAT'S REQUIRING THIS VARIANCE, UH, IS THE, UH, EXISTING WALLS AND STRUCTURES ALONG THE RIVER THAT ARE, UH, CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT PER THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. AND THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, IS REQUIRING THE RESTORATION OF THOSE WALLS. PORTIONS OF THE PARK AND THE WALLS ARE CLOSED DUE TO THE, UH, DETERIORATING CONDITION AND FAILURE OF THOSE WALLS. THE REPAIR AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE WALLS IS NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT DAMAGE AND REMOVAL OF TREES. AND THIS IS JUST AN EXHIBIT SHOWING THE PROJECT LIMITS. AND, UH, THE TREES HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW REPRESENT TREES THAT ARE TO BE REMOVED. THE OTHER CIRCLES INDICATE THE TREES THAT'LL BE PRESERVED. OVERALL SIGNIFICANT TREE TO BE REMOVED. THERE'LL BE 46% PRESERVATION. THE REQUIRED MITIGATE, UH, REQUIRED PRESERVATION IS 80%. HERITAGE TREES ARE REQUIRED TO BE PRESERVED A HUNDRED PERCENT. THERE'LL BE 72% OF THOSE PRESERVED. THIS IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN, IN THE RIPARIAN FLOODPLAIN AREA. IT'S 80% PRESERVATION OF SIGNIFICANT TREES WITH 69% BEING PRESERVED. SAME FOR HERITAGE TREES, A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH 82% BEING PRESERVED. UH, THE TOTAL, UH, THAT'S FINE. UH, THE TOTAL, UH, INCHES OF, OF SIGNIFICANT, UH, IS 124 WITH 86 OF THOSE BEING PRESERVED, 38 AND REMOVED. HERITAGE 136 INCHES. UM, AND, AND I'M GETTING IN A LITTLE DETAIL HERE, UH, BUT, [00:10:01] UH, UH, AND THIS IS IN THE FOOT PLANE BUFFER, I'M SORRY, 136 INCHES. 111 PRESERVE 25 REMOVED. THANK YOU. NEXT SLIDE. UM, PROPOSED MITIGATION, THE TOTAL MITIGATION WITHIN THE WHOLE PROJECT WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE, THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN BUFFER IS 1,633 INCHES. THE PLAN IS TO PLANT ALL OF THE REQUIRED MITIGATION INCHES BACK. IT'LL BE DONE IN, IN TWO PORTIONS. IT'LL BE, UH, PART, UH, UH, INCHES PLANTED WITHIN THE PROJECT BOUNDARY AS WELL AS WITHIN THE PARK LIMITS ON THE FIRST PART. 219 TREES WILL BE PLANTED WITHIN THE PROJECT, UH, BOUNDARIES WITH THE REMAINING INCHES OF 141 PLANTED PARK WIDE. THE REQUIREMENT FOR OVERALL CANOPY IN THE AREA IS 15%, UH, WITH THE PLANTINGS AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE TREES, THERE'LL BE 152,625 SQUARE FEET, OR 252% CANOPY FOR THAT AREA. SO THERE'LL BE A VERY CANOPIED AREA. AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, SIR. WE DO HAVE FOUR PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. UH, WHEN YOU APPROACH, UH, THE MIC, PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE. UH, FIRST STEP IS TONY MOUNT. I'M WILLING TO SAY MY TIME. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE MAX AMOUNT OF TIME? IT WOULD BE SIX MINUTES, TWO MINUTES EACH, SO UP TO THREE PEOPLE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALICIA. UH, YOU WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. THERE'S AVID ALICIA GARLOCK, 30 10 WOOD CIRCLE. OH, THANKS MIDGET. AN AVERAGE OAK HEALTHY OAK TREE CAN LIVE UP TO 900 YEARS, 300 YEARS OF GROWTH, 300 YEARS OF STASIS, 300 YEARS OF DECLINE. EACH PERIOD DELIVERS ECOLOGICAL CONTRIBUTIONS. OAKS ARE IMPORTANT TO THE FOOD WEB. THEY ATTRACT MOSS THAT HAVE CATERPILLARS, THAT BIRDS NEED FOR FOOD. THE CATERPILLARS ARE NEEDED FOR FOOD, FOR THE BIRDS, AND INSECT DECLINE WILL LEAD TO BIRD DECLINE. NO OTHER SPECIES SUPPORTS AS MANY SPECIES AS THE OAK TREES. OAKS HAVE THE HIGHEST DIVERSITY RATE. INSECT DECLINE WILL LEAD TO BIRD DECLINE. OAK TREES ARE WIND POLLINATED. POLLEN HAS TO MOVE FROM ONE TREE TO ANOTHER. OAKS PRODUCE UP TO 3 MILLION ACORNS IN ITS LIFETIME. LOTS OF TREES AHEAD OF THE MOONY . UH, LOTS OF ANIMALS DEPEND ON ACORNS FOR FOOD. I THINK I GOT TOO FAR AHEAD. THERE WE GO. OH, THAT'S THE DRONE FOOTAGE OF THE RIVER WALL. BY THE WAY. OAKS PRODUCE A PROTECT PROTECTIVE LEAF LITTER BLANKET PRODUCING ALMOST 700 LEAVES A YEAR. LEAF LITTER BREAKS DOWN AND PROVIDES NUTRIENTS. LEAF LITTER PROTECTS THE SOIL FROM DRYING OUT AND ERODING OAK TREES. ROOTS RUN DEEP IN THE SOIL. THE ROOTS CONNECT TO ROOTS OF OTHER TREES NEARBY. OAK TREES ARE A KEYSTONE SPECIES. MY HEAD AGAIN, A LIFELINE TO COUNTLESS SPECIES. OAKS HAVE SUPERIOR FUNCTIONS. OAKS HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF DIVERSITY RATE. THEY SEQUESTER THE MOST. CARBON SOIL STABILIZATION, BEST LEAF LITTER PRO PROMOTE HEALTHIER WATERSHED. I ASK THAT A NEW PLAN BE IMPLEMENTED TO INCLUDE USE OF THE EXISTING SIDEWALK, TO EXPAND THE WALL TO PROTECT THOSE ARE PICTURES, THE OLDEST, MOST VALUABLE ECOLOGICALLY AND CULTURALLY CONNECTED TREES. THAT'S MY FIRST VIDEO, NO TO WE. OPPOSED TO OPTION TWO, TO PRO PROTECT A SIGNIFICANT HERITAGE OR HISTORIC TREES WILL BE REMOVED. ALL HERITAGE TREES MUST BE PRESERVED A HUNDRED PERCENT. HISTORIC TREE PRESERVATION IN ORDER TO PROTECT HISTORIC TREES FALLS UNDER ORDINANCE 2010. THE GOAL OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO INCREASE THE CANOPY COVERAGE OF THE CITY. BRACKENRIDGE PARK BROWN PROJECT VARIANCE IS TO INDICATE FOR REMOVAL OF SIGNIFICANT TREES IN EXCESS OF THE 80% TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS. TREES ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR, THEIR IMPORTANCE IN MANAGING RUNOFF. THEIR LEAF CANOPIES HELP REDUCE EROSION CAUSED BY RAIN. CLIMATE CHANGE INDICATORS, URBAN FOREST WILL MITIGATE CLIMATE CHANGE. [00:15:01] WE NEED TO, IT'S OVER THE LAST THREE WEEKS IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK INCLUDED VEGETATION REMOVAL, 50% SORRY TO 60% OF TARGET TREES, LESS VEGETATION IN A CI AIR, A CITY WITH AIR QUALITY AND MODERATE NON-ATTAINMENT MEANS LESS CARBON SEQUESTRATION. WE NEED MORE TREES. WE NEED TO PROTECT THESE TREES BECAUSE OUR CLIMATE IN SAN ANTONIO OR AIR QUALITY HAS GONE TO MODERATE NON-ATTAINMENT. AND IN ORDER TO HAVE CLEAN AIR TO BREATHE, WE NEED TREES TO FILTER POLLUTION AND GIVE US OXYGEN NO TO AGENDA NUMBER SIX. THANK YOU, ALICIA. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. NEXT UP, MA UH, MATILDE MATILDE TORRES. TWO MINUTES. FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. MATILDA TORRES, 1801 SANTA BARBARA. AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IS, UM, THE BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK AND THE RIVER THAT RUNS THROUGH OUR, A PART, OUR, OUR, EXCUSE ME, OUR PART OF A COMMON COSMOLOGICAL THEME OR CREATION STORY. THIS, THIS, THE RIVER, THE WAY THE RIVER FLOWS NATURALLY FROM HILDEBRAND OVER TO WOODLAWN STREET, IS IDENTICAL TO A CONSTELLATION OF STARS IN THE SKY, KNOWN AS ERENA. THE NATIVE PEOPLE CALLED IT YANA OR SPIRIT WATERS. THE ECOLOGY COLLECTIVE CONTAINS WITHIN THE PART OF THE RIVER IS CRITICAL TO OUR COLLECTIVE MEMORY. THE DOUBLE CRESTED COMRAD IS ANALOGOUS TO A CONSTELLATION IN THE SKY PHOENIX. THIS CONSTELLATION IS TIED TO OUR LOCAL CREATION STORY INVOLVING THE BLUE HOLE, THE RIVER I E YANA. AND THE MYTHOLOGY WE'RE TOLD IS HOW LIVE CAME THROUGH THIS REGION. THE ECOLOGY OF THIS REGION CONNECTS US TO THE, TO THE CREATION STORY ITSELF. HOW CAN YOU ATTACK THE ECOLOGY AND DISTORT THE COSMOLOGICAL TRUTH? ALL OF THE FLORA AND FAUNA IS WHAT MAKES THE CREATION STORY TRUE. SO WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS IN A PARK? WHY IS A HABITAT BEING DESTROYED? WHAT IS THE CAUSE GOING TO BE TO CUT DOWN EACH TREE? SO I WENT BY YESTERDAY, DROVE BY, AND THIS IS, UM, A MESSAGE FROM THE TREE. WHAT HAVE I DONE TO YOU? WHEN, WHEN, WHEN I HAVE GIVEN YOU SHADE, AIR, AND BEAUTY? HOW AM I IN YOUR WAY WHEN YOU HAVE NOT TAKEN THE RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF ME? I'VE BEEN STANDING HERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE YOU CAME HERE. THE MORE I AGE, THE MORE BEAUTIFUL AND STRONG I BECOME, LOVE, HONOR AND PROTECT ME, AND I WILL PROVIDE LIFE FOR YOU AND THE GENERATIONS TO COME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KELLY MCCOY. TWO MINUTES. FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. HELLO, MY NAME'S KELLY MCCOY. UM, 3 3 5 OLD BLANCO ROAD. I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR WILDLIFE RESCUE AND REHABILITATION. WE'VE BEEN SERVICING THE SAN ANTONIO AREA FOR 45 YEARS NOW, AND WE ARE CONSISTENTLY CALLED TO ASSIST THE WILDLIFE IN BRACKEN RIDGE PARK AND AROUND THE ACE SURROUNDING AREA. SO WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE PLETHORA OF WILDLIFE SPECIES THAT INHABIT THE PARK. UM, OUR LARGEST CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY IS WITH OVERCROWDING AND LOSS OF HABITAT, WITH REMOVING SO MANY TREES FROM THE PARK AT ONE TIME. SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE MORE, UM, RESEARCH DONE INTO MITIGATING THE EFFECTS THAT THIS WILL HAVE ON THE WILDLIFE. SPECIFICALLY THE BIRDS THAT INHABIT THE PARK. UM, WITH PLANTING THE NEW TREES, THEY WILL LIKELY BE PLANTED AT IMMATURE STAGES, WHICH WILL NOT PROVIDE HABITAT. SO POTENTIALLY PLANTING OLDER STAGE TREES, UM, OR REMOVING THE TREES IN STAGES VERSUS REMOVING THEM ALL, UM, IN ONE FELL SWOOP TO ENSURE THAT THE WILDLIFE STILL HAVE ADEQUATE HOUSING. UM, EVEN WITH REMOVING HABITAT, BECAUSE OF [00:20:01] THE LOCATION OF THE PARK, THEY'RE NOT LIKELY TO MOVE OUT OF THAT PARK DUE TO THE CITY. UM, AND EVEN THE BIRDS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE ON ARE LIKELY TO NEST IN SMALLER TREES AND CREATE OVERCROWDING VERSUS LEAVE THE PARK AND FIND A NEW ROOKERY. SO THIS COULD HAVE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ON ALL OF THE WILDLIFE IN THE PARK, AS WELL AS THE HEALTH OF THE PARK ITSELF WITH OVERCROWDING. SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE MORE RESEARCH DONE ON HOW THIS WILL AFFECT THE WILDLIFE AND NOT JUST THE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE PARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO APPROACH OR PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR REBUTTAL? THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. UM, MY NAME IS BILL PINAL. I'M WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, WE HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, NUMEROUS AGENCIES, US FISH AND WILDLIFE, TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, AND COMING UP WITH THIS PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE BIRDS THAT ARE AFFECTING BRECKENRIDGE PARK. SO THE, UH, EGRET, THE ROOST IN THE PARK, UM, COME IN AS, UH, WELL, SOME SPECIES AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY AND DON'T LEAVE TILL NOVEMBER. WE HAVE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF BIRDS THAT NEST IN ROOST ABOVE PUBLIC AMENITIES THAT WE LIKE TO USE. WE LIKE THE RIVER, THE PICNIC PADS, THE JOSS SKI PAVILION. THE PLAYGROUND HAD HAD TO BE SHUT DOWN. UH, PATHWAYS TO THE RESTROOMS ARE NOT, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET TO THEM WITHOUT WALKING THROUGH BIRD FECES OR OTHER, UM, OTHER ISSUES THAT OCCUR WITH THAT. THERE ARE, UH, DISEASES ALSO KNOWN WITH BIRD FECES, SO THERE ARE HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERNS THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT AS WELL. I'M SORRY. CAN THE AUDIENCE PLEASE, UM, RESPECT THE SPEAKER AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, ALONG WITH THAT, WITH THE COORDINATION WITH THESE OTHER AGENCIES, WHICH ARE OUR REGULATORY AGENCIES, UH, THIS PLAN WAS DETERMINED BASED ON, UM, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL BASED ON, UM, ALMANOR AND WOODLAWN LAKE PARKS. UM, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE RUNWAY AT KELLY AIR FORCE BASE AND THE IMPACT, THE RISK FACTORS THAT BELONG TO THAT. AND THOSE AGENCIES CAME TOGETHER WITH US TO WORK ON THESE PLANS AND TO, UM, TO HUMANELY RELOCATE THE BIRDS, UH, WITHOUT HARMING OR HURT, HURTING OR KILLING ANY BIRDS. OUR INTENT IS JUST TO ALLOW THEM TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO US AND TO THEM AND IS BETTER FOR THEM. AND SO, UM, LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. SO, UM, AND THEN LASTLY, ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF. THE PROJECT IS BASED ON THE 2017 MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE, UM, THE PUBLIC AND CITY COUNCIL, WHICH DOES TALK ABOUT IMPROVING WATER QUALITY AND THEN, UH, RESTORING AND STABILIZING HISTORIC AND CULTURAL FEATURES, UM, WITHIN THE PARK. SO THESE WALLS ARE HISTORIC. THE PUMP HOUSE IS FROM 1870S. THE DIVERGENT DAM IS FROM 1776. THE UPPER LAB, UM, DIVERSION DAM AND ASAKIA ARE EARLY COMPONENTS OF THE STORY OF WATER FOR SAN ANTONIO, WHICH THE PROJECT PLANS TO, UH, INTERPRET AND ALLOW WATER TO GO DOWN AND EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND THE STORY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND WATER. SO, THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU, SIR. UM, I APOLOGIZE MA'AM. CITIZENS TO BE HEARD IS OVER. UH, I'LL START ON MY RIGHT WITH QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL, UH, CHAIR GONZALEZ. WE DO HAVE, UH, 16 VOICEMAILS AT PLAY AS WELL. I HAVE THAT ON MY PAPER WITH A BRIGHT STAR. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. PLEASE PLAY THE 16 VOICEMAILS. HI. UH, THE AGENDA ITEM OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS T P V 2 2 0 1 0 IN REGARD TO THE, UM, BOND ISSUE. AND I AM DEFINITELY AGAINST ALL THOSE TREES BEING CUT DOWN UNLESS THE CITY ARBORIST HAS OKAYED IT, AND I DOUBT HE HAS AND THAT IT FOLLOWS THE TREE. PRE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE TWO A T. ALSO, I AM AGAINST EXPANDING SUNKEN GARDENS. I AM NOT GONNA PAY FOR THAT, AND I'M VOTING AGAINST THAT. SO THERE YOU GO. THIS IS EDWINA CINTA, SS C I N T A, 1 1 3 [00:25:01] EAST NORWOOD COURT, 2 1 0 3 7 8 2 4 7 9. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS RICARDO GONZALEZ, 1142. 1143 GASTONE. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE CUT AT BRECKENRIDGE PARK THAT I'M AGAINST THE CUTTING OF THE TREES AT BRECKENRIDGE PARK. AGAIN, MY MESSAGE THIS MORNING FOR THE PLANE COMMISSION IS THAT I'M OPPOSED FOR TO CUT DOWN TREES AT BRECKENRIDGE PARK. RICARDO GONZALEZ, 2 7 43 GLADSTONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HI, THIS IS GRACE ROSE GONZALEZ, AND I LIVE AT 1442 WEST LYNNWOOD AVENUE, UM, DISTRICT ONE. AND, UM, I WAS CALLING ABOUT THE, UH, TREE REMOVAL AT BRCA RIDGE PARK. I THINK IT'S A, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER IT IS, SORRY. BUT, UM, I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF REMOVING HERITAGE TREES. AND I DID LOOK AT THE PLAN, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION, AND IT SEEMS EXCESSIVE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF REALLY BIG TREES ARE BEING REMOVED. I SEE THAT IT IS ALSO BEING DONE BY A COMPANY CALLED SS W A AND THEY'RE OUT OF HOUSTON. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LOCAL, UH, UH, CONSULTANT, DESIGN CONSULTANT, CIVIL ENGINEER, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OR WHATEVER, TO BE PART OF THIS. AND SO I DON'T THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS LEGACY, UM, AND HISTORIC, UM, PARK. WE DON'T WANNA DIFY DI, YOU KNOW, DISNEY, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LIKE DISNEY AND, YOU KNOW, SPARKLE OR WHATEVER. THIS IS ABOUT, UM, A HISTORICAL PARK THAT FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS USED, BUT WITH THOSE WATERS, AND MY MOTHER EVEN USED THE, THE BATHHOUSES TO, TO CHANGE AND GO SWIMMING THERE. AND, UH, THOSE TREES HAVE BEEN ENJOYED BY FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. AND THIS IS JUST INCREDIBLE ON TRUITY TO SEE THAT THEY WOULD JUST BE ANNIHILATED OVERNIGHT. UM, SO THAT WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, SOMETHING ACCESS, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST TO MAKE IT EASY. UM, I THINK THAT THOSE WALLS AND THINGS CAN BE FIXED. I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A LOCAL PARTICIPANT, A CONSULTANT. I KNOW THAT THE CONSULTANT THAT WAS ON BOARD, UM, WAS REMOVED BECAUSE THEY VOICED THE NANCY MARTINSON 1 2 9 MEADOWBROOK DRIVE HOLLYWOOD PARK, 7 8 2 3 2 2 1 0 5 4 5 4 0 8 4. I'M INTERESTED IN, UH, COMMENTING ON NUMBER SIX. ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSAL AT BRECKENRIDGE PARK, I AM PREDOMINANTLY NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. THIS IS SUCH A TRAVESTY TO THE WILDLIFE IN OUR COUNTRY AND SAN ANTONIO. THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT. I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T WANT IT. UH, PLEASE VOTE AGAINST IT. HI, MY NAME IS DIANA GONZALEZ. MY ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD IS 1 4 2 4 2, ROSIE FINCH, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, 7 8 2 3 3. I DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA NUMBER, BUT IT'S REGARDING THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE, UH, BRACKENRIDGE TREES TO BE TRIMMED OR REMOVED, UM, IN, IN HOPES TO DETER THE MIGRATION FOR, FOR THE BIRDS. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST TERRIBLE. WE, WE TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY FROM THEM SOONER OR LATER, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING LEFT. UM, THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE ON, ON THIS TASK AND MENTIONING THIS, THAT WE COULD EASILY HAVE VOLUNTEERS THAT WOULD COME AND HELP CLEAN UP. UM, I MEAN, WAS THAT EVEN LOOKED AT OR, OR MENTION BEFORE, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING SO DRASTIC. UM, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE VERY WILLING TO VOLUNTEER, VOLUNTEER, UM, SO THAT THESE BIRDS CAN KEEP THEIR HOMES. THANK YOU. RORY SWEARS 1 0 2 ARMOR PLACE. AGENDA ITEM SIX. I'M OPPOSED TO THE REMOVAL OF THE NINE HERITAGE TREES, UM, TREES [00:30:01] ALONG LAMBERT BEACH IN BRECKENRIDGE PARK. UH, I HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE OTHER SOLUTIONS, UH, TO HARASS THE BIRDS SO THAT THE CONSTRUCTION CAN START ON THIS IMPORTANT WORK. UM, OTHER HARASSMENTS THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE BIRDS TO LEAVE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE REMOVING THE TREES. UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE NO TO THIS VARIANCE. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS GREG FREEMAN. I LIVE AT 14 VINTAGE OAKS IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I AM CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE UPCOMING AGENDA FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I FIND IT VERY ODD THAT IN A CITY THAT APPEARS TO HAVE SENSITIVITY TOWARDS NATURAL ISSUES, INCLUDING THE DEVELOPMENT OF GREENWAY TRAILS AND THE BUILDING OF A LAND BRIDGE IN HARBERGER PARK, A PLAN WOULD BE ENACTED THAT MIGHT SIGNIFICANTLY DAMAGE A POPULATION OF MIGRATORY WATERFOWL AND OTHER BIRDS WHO HABITUATE BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THESE ANIMALS ARE UNDER TREMENDOUS STRESS BECAUSE OF GLOBAL CHANGE AND HUMAN POPULATION GROWTH. I BELIEVE THAT RATHER THAN SHOO THEM AWAY FROM THE PARK, IT WOULD BE A FAR PREFERABLE AND BETTER APPROACH IF THE CITY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION OF STUDENTS OF ALL AGES AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, IF SOMEONE BECOMES INTERESTED IN NATURAL BEAUTY AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE BIRDS, GENERALLY THEY HAVE TO HOPE TO GET LUCKY AND SEE ONE IN THE PARK OR DRIVE SOME DISTANCE TO A SANCTUARY OR POSSIBLY TO THE COAST. CURRENTLY, THERE IS A LARGE SELECTION OF ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS WHO LIVE IN ONE OF OUR CITY PARKS. AND THIS COULD BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF SO THAT THE ANIMALS WOULD BE USED AS AN EDUCATIONAL TOOL OVERALL, GIVEN THE SEVERE CHALLENGES THAT OUR ANIMAL FRIENDS NOW FACE, IT APPEARS TO ME WRONGHEADED TO REMOVE ONE OF THEIR REMAINING SANCTUARIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION. GOOD MORNING, SIMA COLVIN, 8 1 7 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE, DISTRICT ONE. UH, REGARDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE VARIANCE REQUEST, UH, FOR THE REMOVAL OF TREES FROM BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I WOULD LIKE TO REGISTER MY OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. I ATTENDED THE OTHER NIGHT, A D ONE TOWN HALL REGARDING THE BRACKENRIDGE BOND PROJECT. THERE WERE OVER 180 PEOPLE ON THAT CALL. THERE WAS LOTS OF CONCERN REGARDING WHAT IS BEING DONE AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME ABOUT THIS PENDING REMOVAL OF TREES. I DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS, UM, HAS GOTTEN ENOUGH, UH, PUBLIC AWARENESS, UH, FOR, UM, TO MAKE THIS DECISION TODAY. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS SANDRA CHEEK. MY ADDRESS IS 2 0 2 EAST HOUSTON STREET, BRADY TOWER OF THE TOWER SYSTEM, MAJESTIC SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 0 5. I AM CALLING TO SAVE THE LEGACY TREES IN THE PARK IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I WILL BE 86 IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND MY GROWN GREAT GRANDCHILDREN AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY IN OUR LAST GET TOGETHER WHERE WE COULD PRIOR TO COVID, WERE UNDER THOSE TREES. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE DOWN SOMETHING THAT HAS GIVEN ITS LIFE TO OUR AREA, NOT JUST IN THE HISTORY, BUT IN OXYGEN, IN HELL. OTHER CITIES, NATION STATES, HAVE HAD GREAT STORMS THAT TORE UP THEIR ELDER TREES. I CONSIDER THAT YOU ARE TREATING AN ELDER OF NATURE. IF YOU DESTROY THESE TREES, THEY'RE SPECIAL TO TEXAS. THERE ARE NO OTHERS LIKE THEM. PLEASE SAVE THE LEGACY TREES AND DO NOT CUT THEM DOWN. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS GEMMA KENNEDY, 5 0 9 RIVER ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I'M CALLING ABOUT, UH, ITEM NUMBER [00:35:01] SIX, THE VARIANCE FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I'M AGAINST GIVING A VARIANCE AT THIS TIME AND WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A DELAY IN RESPONDING TO THE VARIANCE. A VARIANCE TO BE GIVEN TO REMOVE NINE HERITAGE CYPRESS TREES AND A HUNDRED OTHER OF TREES TO REMOVE THE EGRETS. AS WELL AS STARTING THE CONSTRUCTION THAT REALLY DOES NEED TO BE DONE IN THE PARK. I FEEL STRONGLY THAT PUBLIC INPUT ABOUT SUCH A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE PARK NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE A VARIANT IS GIVEN. ON FRIDAY OF THIS WEEK, ON JANUARY 28TH, UH, THE PARKS WILL HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING. I'D LIKE TO WAIT TILL AFTER THIS MEETING, UH, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS. BE DONE FIRST BEFORE A VARIANCE IS GIVEN. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS GEM KENNEDY. FIVE. YES, THIS IS KATHY RAVIN AT 2 1 0 4 7 9 7 0 7 6. AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE MEETING TODAY AND CUTTING DOWN THE TREES. DON'T, THIS IS TERRIBLE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO BE PART OF THIS, UH, TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS NOT GOOD. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. BYE. HI, MY NAME IS SARAH BEAR. MY ADDRESS IS 1 9 8 2 7 ENCINO BROOK STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO FIVE NINE. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (832) 628-1606. THIS IS A MESSAGE IN REGARDS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BRACKEN RIDGE TREES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, ADDRESSING THE BRACKEN RIDGE PARK CHANGES. UH, IF YOU GUYS CUT DOWN THE ANCIENT OAKS IN THIS RARE ECOSYSTEM, IN AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THE ABILITY FOR MIGRANT BIRDS TO STOP AND REST AND EAT IN THIS LOW LYING SHALLOW WATER REGION, YOU'RE DIRECTLY AFFECTING A MIGRATION ROUTE THAT NOT ONLY BENEFITS SAN ANTONIO IN TERMS OF TOURISTS WHO COMES HERE FOR BIRD MIGRATION SPECIFICALLY, BUT YOU'RE ALSO DAMAGING OUR LOCAL ECOSYSTEM, ESPECIALLY A RIPARIAN ECOSYSTEM, WHICH IS CRITICAL FOR THE WELLBEING OF ALL RELATED ECOSYSTEMS. SO IT'S NOT ONLY THAT YOU HAVE AN ANCIENT TREE SERIES IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA, IT'S THAT THE WATER PURIFICATION THAT TAKES PLACE IN THESE SHALLOW WETLANDS ALSO CRUCIAL FOR THE PURIFICATION OF WATER THAT EXTENDS IT FURTHER INTO OUR SOUTHERN REGIONS. IT'S NOT JUST THAT YOU'RE AFFECTING THE LOCAL AREA, SPECIFICALLY THE ZOO. YOU'RE AFFECTING THE ENTIRE ECOLOGICAL WELLBEING FOR GENERATIONS. I ASK YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER REMOVING THE ANCIENT OAKS IN THIS REGION, OR IN ANY WAY CONTINUING TO AFFECT THIS RIPARIAN CRITICAL ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH MULTIPLE CRUCIAL AND CRITICALLY ENDANGERED SPECIES REST. IT IS SHORTSIGHTED. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SOUGHT TO BE CRITICAL INFORMATION FROM EXPERTS, AND THAT YOU ARE SIMPLY SEEKING TO BENEFIT THE SHORT-TERM DESIRES OF THE FINANCIAL WELLBEING. HELLO, MY NAME IS MARYANNE RODRIGUEZ. MY ADDRESS IS 2 0 7 0 3 RES LANE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO FIVE NINE. PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 454-2876. AND I'M CALLING ABOUT THE CASE NUMBER REGARDING BRECKENRIDGE PARK AT 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY STREET, 7 8 2 1 2. UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CALL TO EXPRESS MY OPINION ON NOT BACKING ANY PROPOSAL OR PLANS TO TAKE AWAY THE TREES, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SO, SO MANY YEARS UP TO 200 YEARS OLD. UM, UM, I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT FOR THE ECHO SYSTEM THERE AND ALL THE BIRDS AND THEIR MIGRANT, UH, VOYAGES. UM, SO I, UM, AM NOT IN FAVOR OF TAKING ANY OF THE TREES AWAY. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS LORI ABNEY. I LIVE AT TWO 19 HOLLAND AVENUE. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE ZERO FIVE ZERO EIGHT ZERO ZERO FIVE, AND I AM CALLING IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. I AM OPPOSED TO THE CUTTING DOWN OF HERITAGE [00:40:01] TREES AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I HEARD THE NUMBER WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED TREES, WHICH SOUNDS OUTRAGEOUS. UM, AND PLEASE, YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THERE'S MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THIS. THANK YOU. YES, MY NAME IS MARNI JONES. MY ADDRESS IS 34 0 1 CEDAR GROVE STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO FOUR SEVEN. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 618-5878. AND I'M CALLING ABOUT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX FOR THE, UM, BRECKENRIDGE TREES. AND I JUST WANTED TO, UH, VOICE THAT TO PLEASE NOT CUT DOWN THESE TREES IN THE PARK. UM, I, THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE, THE BIRDS AND THE MIGRATING BIRDS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT SAN ANTONIO IS VERY PROUD OF WITH OUR, UM, BEAUTIFUL BIRD POPULATION THAT COMES DOWN HERE EVERY WINTER. AND OUR, THE EXISTING BIRD POPULATION THAT LIVES HERE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THESE BEAUTIFUL OAK TREES AND OTHER TREES STAY INTACT TO KEEP OUR BEAUTIFUL PART NICE AND BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. HAVE A NICE DAY. YES. THIS IS MARY JOHNSON AND I LIVE AT ONE TWENTY FIVE WEST RIDGEWOOD COURT. MY PHONE NUMBER IS, UH, (210) 730-3247. I'M CALLING IN OPPOSITION OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES FOR FROM BRACKENRIDGE PARK FOR THE BOND. I DON'T THINK, UH, WE SHOULD BE REMOVING EV ANY HERITAGE TREES IN MASS. UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, PUT A TREE ORDINANCE IN PLACE FOR A REASON. AND I ESPECIALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING IT FOR A BOND, UH, THAT THE PEOPLE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD TIME TO PUT ANY INPUT ON. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR 16 VOICEMAILS. I WILL BEGIN WITH COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? WELL, UM, THIS IS A CLEARLY A WEIGHTY ISSUE. UM, AND THERE ARE, UM, A LOT OF STRONG OPINIONS, A LOT OF ADVOCATES, UM, FOR KEEPING THESE TREES, UH, FOR HABITAT AND ECOLOGICAL PURPOSES AS WELL AS BEAUTY AND TOURISM. UM, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE IS A DIRECT CONFLICT BETWEEN PRESERVING NATURAL RESOURCES AND PRESERVING CULTURAL RESOURCES. UM, FROM MY OWN WORK, I KNOW THAT, UM, HEAVY EFFORTS ARE MADE TO PRESERVE BOTH WHEREVER POSSIBLE. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF WHAT, UM, ALTER ALTERNATIVES AND CONSIDERATIONS WERE BROUGHT TO BEAR IN, UM, PUTTING FORWARD THIS PROPOSITION TO REMOVE THESE TREES BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WAS NOT DONE LIGHTLY. SORRY. HI, MY NAME IS JAMAL MARINO. I'M WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UH, AND I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THE 2017 BOND PROJECT FOR BRACKEN RICH PARK. UH, YOU HEARD FROM BILL PINNELL EARLIER WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, WE DID CONSIDER, UM, UH, DIFFERENT AVENUES FOR, UH, FOR ADDRESSING THE CULTURAL RESOURCES, UH, WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE PROJECT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE, UH, SEVERAL TREES THAT, UM, ARE ADVERSELY IMPACTING OUR CULTURAL RESOURCES, UH, WITHIN THIS SECTION OF THE PARK. UM, WE, I, I DO HAVE, UH, UH, MEMBERS FROM THE DESIGN TEAM HERE, THEY CAN TALK, UH, SPEAK TO, UH, ANY KIND OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT LOOKING AT DIFFERENT, UH, WAYS TO ADDRESS, UM, DEALING WITH THOSE CULTURAL RESOURCES, WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, WHAT THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION REQUIRES OF US. UH, AND BECAUSE IT'S AT THE RIVER, THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER, WE ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT THE, UH, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS REQUIRES OF US. UH, THEY HAVE A REGULATORY PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. UM, AND PART OF THAT REGULATORY PROCESS WITH THESE HISTOR HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, UH, RESOURCES, UM, IS THAT WE CAN'T REALLY MOVE THEM. WE CAN'T CHANGE, UH, THE CONFIGURATION. WE CAN'T MOVE THEM ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. UH, THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANCE, UM, TO THE CULTURE OF, OF SAN ANTONIO AND BRACKENRIDGE PARK, UM, IN THEIR LOCATION AND [00:45:01] IN THEIR ORIENTATION AND CONFIGURATION. SO WE KNOW, WE ASK THEM, COULD COULD WE MOVE THEM FORWARD? COULD WE MOVE THEM BACK, UH, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROXIMITY ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE LARGE TREES THAT WE HAVE? UM, THERE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY CONSIDERED IT, BUT BASICALLY TOLD US THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NO, IF YOU'RE GONNA REBUILD AND REHABILITATE THESE, UH, THESE WALLS AND THESE OTHER STRUCTURES, UH, THAT THEY HAVE TO BE REHABILITATED IN PLACE, UH, THEY HAVE TO BE REHABILITATED AS CLOSE TO, UH, ORIGINAL CONDITION AS POSSIBLE. UM, NOW WE DID LOOK AT OTHER ASPECTS OF CONSTRUCTION. WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS TO, UH, KIND OF PUT A BANDAID ON THE ISSUE AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE WITH, WITH, UH, PUBLIC CAPITAL IN ANOTHER FIVE YEARS OR ANOTHER 10 YEARS, OR EVEN ANOTHER 15 OR 20 YEARS. UH, WE WANT TO COME UP WITH A, NEEDED TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, UH, THAT MADE SURE THAT WE WERE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF PUBLIC MONEY, UH, IN ADDRESSING THESE CULTURAL RESOURCES AND MAKING SURE THAT, UM, IN TRYING TO SHORE THESE RESOURCES UP AND TRYING TO, UM, REHABILITATE THEM, UH, THAT WE DID IT THE RIGHT WAY. WE MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE STRONGER, AND THAT IN THE FUTURE, IN 20, 30, 50, EVEN 50, A HUNDRED YEARS, IF ANOTHER TREE POPS UP NATURALLY, UM, THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DOESN'T HAVE TO COME, UH, DOESN'T HAVE THIS ISSUE AGAIN. UM, SO IN REBUILDING, UH, AND REHABILITATING THESE CULTURAL RESOURCES, IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THE DESIGN THAT WE CAME UP WITH, UH, MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE SUSTAINABLE FOR YEARS AND DECADES TO COME. UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY, AND, AND THERE'S A, I HAVE A, A SLIDESHOW OF SOME IMAGES IF WE COULD SHOW THOSE. YEAH, THOSE, THESE ARE JUST, THESE ARE JUST PICTURES OF, UH, SOME OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES, UH, IN THEIR CURRENT STATES OF DISREPAIR. AND THERE'LL BE A FEW PICTURES THAT SHOWS YOU THE PROXIMITY OF SOME OF THE TREES. OH, WAIT, NO, THIS ISN'T IT. I'M SORRY. SO THIS IS JUST A SLIDE OF SOME PICTURES THAT KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE STATE OF, OF DISREPAIR THAT THE, UH, WALLS AND OTHER STRUCTURES ARE IN. UH, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, UH, THAT, THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION ABOUT 60 OR 70 LINEAR FEET OF WALL THAT HAS ALREADY FAILED, UH, THAT FAILED A FEW YEARS AGO, AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS REQUIRED TO, UM, UH, KEEP ACCESS, UH, PUBLIC ACCESS AWAY FROM IT AND TO SHORE IT UP, UM, SO THAT, UH, IT WASN'T A DANGER, UH, TO THE PUBLIC. CAN YOU USE YOUR MIC COMMISSIONER? CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION IN THE MIC, PLEASE? UH, SORRY. AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE LANDSCAPE AND TO THE STRUCTURES AND THE FLAT WORK AND THE RIVER THAT ARE IN THAT LOCATION CURRENTLY, IF THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OF WALL THAT SHORED UP NOW HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO JUST CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE WITH NO, NO DISTURBANCE TO THE TREES. YES, MA'AM. YEAH, SO, SO THAT SECTION THAT'S ALREADY, UM, UH, FALLEN, IF YOU COULD GO A FEW MORE SLIDES. I ACTUALLY TOOK A PICTURE OF IT, UH, BEHIND THE, UM, THE WOODEN PLANK WALL. KE KEEP GOING. IT'S A FEW MORE DOWN. I'M SORRY. UH, ONE MORE, OH, SORRY, ONE MORE. THERE WE GO. SO THAT'S A SHOT DOWN THE BACK OF THAT WOODEN WALL THAT SHOWS THAT THE WALL HAS ALREADY FAILED. YOU CAN SEE A LARGE OAK JUST ABOVE IT. UM, THAT AREA WILL CONTINUE TO ERODE AND WILL EVENTUALLY LOSE THAT LARGE OAK. IT WILL, UH, THE WHOLE AREA, THE WHOLE ROOT ZONE WILL EVENTUALLY, UM, DISINTEGRATE. THE OAK WILL EVENTUALLY FALL INTO THE RIVER, AND IT WILL, UH, IF IT DOESN'T TAKE OUT WELL, IT'S ALREADY TAKEN OUT THE WALLS THAT ARE THERE THAT WERE THERE PREVIOUSLY. BUT, UH, IT WILL ALSO DO DAMAGE TO THAT AREA OF LAMBERT BEACH. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. IT COULD BE NEXT YEAR, IT COULD BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW. UH, I DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT WITHOUT THOSE RETAINING WALLS THERE, UH, THAT, UH, LARGE OAK TREE RIGHT THERE IS SO CLOSE, UH, THAT EVENTUALLY IT'S GONNA FAIL ON ITS OWN. YEAH. SO THAT'S KIND OF A DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT SITUATION, ISN'T IT? YES. YES, MA'AM. YES, PRETTY MUCH. AND THERE ARE OTHER AREAS. YOU CAN SEE THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE. UH, THIS IS A SECTION OF THE, UH, HISTORIC UPPER LAB BOA. YOU CAN SEE THE WALL, BARELY SEE THE WALL, THE EDGE OF THE WALL, THE ASAKIA WALL THERE, AND THERE'S A LARGE TREE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE ROOT ZONE THERE THAT HAS ALREADY DESTROYED ABOUT A FOUR FOOT SECTION OF THAT ASAKIA WALL. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, IS IF WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW, UH, THOSE [00:50:01] TREES TO REMAIN THERE, EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GONNA DISINTEGRATE THE CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE PARK. UH, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE LOSS. UH, AND AT SOME POINT, SOME OF THE WALLS THAT ARE, OR SOME OF THE TREES THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING RETAINED BY SOME OF THESE WALLS, UH, ARE GONNA LOSE THEIR FIGHT AS WELL. AND I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT, UH, WE DID LOOK INTO TRYING TO RELOCATE, UH, THESE TREES, BUT, UH, BY ASSESSMENT, UM, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE MOST AMOUNT OF ROOTS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE TREE AND ABLE TO, TO REMOVE IT AND TAKE IT TO ANOTHER LOCATION. BECAUSE THESE ARE SO CLOSE TO THESE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THE ROOT ZONES ARE COMPROMISED. SO WE HAVE LARGER ROOTS ON ONE SIDE, AND THE ROOTS, ESPECIALLY AS THEY'RE AS CLOSE TO THOSE STRUCTURES, GO OUT A COUPLE FEET AND THEN GO DOWN. SO, UH, THEY'RE NOT, UM, VIABLE, UH, GOOD SELECTIONS TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE AND USE THE OTHER PLACE IN THE PARK, WHICH WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. UM, BUT THESE WERE NOT, THESE ARE NOT SUITABLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO WE DID LOOK INTO OTHER WAYS TO DO THAT. AND WE DO PLAN ON, UH, USING THE WOOD FOR OTHER THINGS FOR, UH, NATURE PLAY, UM, FOR OTHER PARKS FOR OUR NATURAL AREAS, AND ALSO REUSING IT POSSIBLY FOR FURNITURE AND OTHER PIECES AS WELL. SO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT WAS A HARD DECISION, UH, BUT THE CULTURAL AND THE STATE, TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS REALLY HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON HOW WE CAN DEAL WITH THE SITUATION AS WELL. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. UM, I DO HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF MORE QUESTIONS. SO WE'VE HEARD FROM, UH, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TODAY THAT, UM, THAT THE BIRDS HAVE BEEN RELOCATED HERE AND SOMEWHAT INTENTIONALLY FROM OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE CITY. AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME PUBLIC REACTION AGAINST THOSE HAPPENING AT WOODLAND LAKE PARK AND ALMANOR PARK. UM, SO, UM, SIMILAR SCENARIO IS GONNA PLAY OUT HERE. THE BIRDS ARE GONNA GET PUSHED OUT OF THIS HABITAT BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE A PLACE TO ROOST UNTIL THE NEW TREES ARE PLANTED, WHEN THEY'LL RE ROOST THERE MORE, MOST LIKELY, RATHER THAN SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND THERE WILL BE OVERCROWDING. SO, UM, I'M CURIOUS IF THERE ARE ANY MEASURES THAT THE CITY IS LOOKING AT TO HELP WITH THIS HABITAT DEPREDATION, WHICH IS A SERIOUS ISSUE. UM, ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN INCLUDED, THE US FISH AND WILDLIFE, TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, UH, US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, ALL THOSE PEOPLE TO THE TABLE. AND, UM, IT ALSO GOES WITH OUR BIRD CITY TEXAS DESIGNATION. UH, SO IT ACTUALLY RECOMMENDS THAT WE DEAL WITH THESE CONFLICT ISSUES, AREAS WHERE THESE ROOSTING BIRDS ARE THAT IMPACT, UM, HUMAN HABITAT AND HUMAN SPACES. SO THERE HAVE BEEN CASES UP IN, UM, ARLINGTON, TEXAS, WHERE THE BIRD HABITAT CAME INTO A, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION AND HAD TO DEAL WITH FECES, INCHES OF FECES ON THEIR CARS, ON THEIR HOUSES, ON EVERYTHING DURING THAT PERIOD. UM, SO, AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR THEY WERE ABLE TO DO METHODS LIKE WE'RE PLANNING TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT NOT HAPPEN. SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THESE AGENCIES WHO ARE GONNA BE PART OF THE SITUATION. AND, AND, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THERE, WITH THE, THESE HUMANE TECHNIQUES? UH, WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GONNA GO, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, THE BIRDS ARE GONNA GO WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO. THEY'RE GONNA GO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE BETTER, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT AND SEE WHERE THEY GO. WHEN THEY LEFT ALMANOR AND WOODLAWN, UH, WE DID RELOCATE THEM DOWN TO AN AREA SOUTHWEST OF TOWN, WHICH WAS ACCEPTABLE. A GOOD PLACE WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO NEST AND REPRODUCE AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY DO AND STILL BE WITHIN CLOSENESS OF THE CITY, UH, FOR, FOR THOSE ASPECTS. SO I WISH I COULD TELL YOU WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO. UM, WE DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER, BUT WE'RE GONNA MONITOR AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THEY END UP IN A GOOD LOCATION FOR THEM AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. PINNELL. AND MR. MORENO, JUST ONE FINAL QUESTION, AND THAT IS, COULD YOU, UH, SPEAK TO THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THIS PROJECT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE WITH THE SUNKEN GARDEN THEATER EXPANSION? UH, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUN GARDEN THEATER PROJECT. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT OUT LOUD. I THANK COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SOMETHING REAL CLEAR, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN MADE CLEAR, UM, UH, IN SEVERAL ITERATIONS HERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE REASON FOR REMOVING THESE TREES, THE TREES THAT ARE IN THIS VARIANCE REQUEST, UH, REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BIRDS. UH, IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE BEING ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THOSE TREES. UH, THERE ARE HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS OF OTHER TREES IN BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. UM, IT'S A LARGE PARK, 343 ACRES. UH, YOU, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UM, LIKE I SAID, THOUSANDS OF TREES IN THE WILDERNESS AREA, EVEN IN THIS LAMBERT BEACH AREA, PART OF THE PARK. UM, OUR LIMITS OF [00:55:01] CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS PROJECT ARE VERY SMALL. UM, IT'S ABOUT SIX AND A HALF ACRES OUT OF THE 343. UM, SO THE IMPACT TO THE TREES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S AROUND A HUNDRED TREES, UH, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE AS LARGE AS THE ONES YOU'VE SEEN ON THE PROJECT HERE. UH, THEY RUN THE GAMUT ANYWHERE FROM TWO INCHES ON UP TO HERITAGE. UM, SO YES, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO REMOVE THESE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS OUR CULTURAL RESOURCES. UM, BUT, UM, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL IMPACT TO THE OVERALL, UH, TREE COVERAGE OF THE, OF THE PARK. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, REMOVING THESE TREES IS, IS BECAUSE OF OUR PROJECT AND BECAUSE OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE, UH, THE CULTURAL RESOURCES. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. GREAT QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER ZUKI. UM, CAN YOU SPEAK ON THE TEAMS AND THE EXTERNAL AGENCIES WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH YOU TO COME UP WITH THIS PLAN? UH, THE PLAN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ABOUT THE, THE BIRDS, THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES. OH, THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES. HAVE THIS BEEN A DECISION OR THE PLAN MADE ENTIRELY BY THE CITY OR YOU HAVE ENGAGED OTHER AGENCIES ON CO CONSULT CONSULTANTS? SO WE HAVE ENGAGED, WE, UH, WILL, ARE REQUIRED TO GET PERMITTING THROUGH US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS REGARDING THE RIVER CHANNEL AND THE, AND THE, AND THE CULTURAL RESOURCES. ALSO THE TEXAS, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. SO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, ACTUALLY, THEY WERE BOTH IN TOWN LAST WEEK AND WE WALKED THE SITE WITH THEM. AND THAT'S WHY, TO BE ABLE TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS OF RESTORING AND STABILIZING THOSE STRUCTURES. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE TREES ARE HAVING TO COME OUT. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONSULTANT OR STUDY THAT WAS DONE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TO GO OVER THE PLAN THAT YOU PROPOSED? UH, WE'LL BE SUBMITTING WITH THE STATE AND THE, AND THE FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT ARE, ARE REGULATORY OVER US, SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW ELSE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WE'RE UNDER THEIR AUTHORITIES, SO TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS AND GET THE PERMITS WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PROJECT. WE DO NEED TO, UM, MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. MY, MY CONCERN IS, UH, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THIS WORK HAVE BEEN DONE ENTIRELY WITHOUT AN OVERSEEING FROM OTHER CONSULTANTS TO GO OVER THE WORK TO REVIEW THE WORK AND APPROVE SOME OF THE TREES THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED. COMMISSIONER, I, I THINK WHAT I HEARD IS THE US CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THE TEXAS, UH, HIS HISTORIC HISTORICAL COMMISSION. HISTORICAL COMMISSION. SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE OUT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO THAT WE HAVE, HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH. CORRECT. DOES THAT MAKE, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? I, IF I COULD. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW WE HEARD FROM ONE OF THE VOICEMAILS THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN, UH, THAT OUR, UH, PRIME DESIGN CONSULTANT WAS OUT OF HOUSTON. UH, THEY HAVE A LARGE AND EXTENSIVE SUB-CONSULTANT TEAM, UH, WORKING WITH THEM. AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR SUB CONSULTANTS IS LOCAL HERE TO SAN ANTONIO. SO THEIR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS LOCAL, UH, THEIR CIVIL ENGINEER, THEIR ARCHITECT, THEIR ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN, UH, THEIR GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER, ALL LOCAL COMPANIES HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, ALL OF THEM PROBABLY LOVE BRACKENRIDGE PARK AS MUCH AS WE ALL DO. UM, AND SO THERE'S A GREAT CONSIDERATION ON THE DESIGN TEAM, UH, FOR THIS ASPECT OF THE PROJECT AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH THESE CULTURE RESOURCES IN THESE TREES. COMMISSIONER GARCIA, UH, IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT PUBLIC INPUT OR FEEDBACK WHEN THIS BOND WAS CONSIDERED, IT WAS CONSIDERED THROUGH A BOND COMMITTEE, WHICH IS MADE UP OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO IT DID GO THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS AND IT, AND THEN THE FINAL DECISION WAS AT CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE THIS AS A 2017 BOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER GARCIA, MANY OF OUR CITIZENS HAVE, UH, GIVEN US, UH, TESTIMONY, VERY INFORMATIVE AND VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE TREES. AND, UH, MANY OF US ENJOY THE PARK AND THE TREES FOR, FOR MANY YEARS. UH, I, I WAS NOT CONCERNED, UH, SO MUCH ABOUT, UH, HAVING NEW TREES PUT IN. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE HISTORICALLY, UH, DESIGNATED TREES THERE THAT MANY PEOPLE ENJOY. I HAD PROJECTS IN FLORIDA AND MANY OF THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS THAT CAME TO SAN ANTONIO AND THIS AREA, BECAUSE THEY WERE, UH, STUDYING WHAT HAPPENS HERE WITH NOT ONLY OUR BIRDS, BUT OUR TREES AS WELL. AND I'VE SEEN THE CARE THAT THEY GAVE THE MUIR WOODS IN CALIFORNIA. UH, THERE'S, UM, [01:00:01] A LOT OF TIME REALLY TO CONSIDER HOW WE CAN PROTECT AND SAVE THESE TREES. WE'RE NOT IN A HURRY, ARE WE TO TEAR THEM DOWN. 'CAUSE ONCE YOU CUT 'EM DOWN, THERE'S NO RETURN FOR THESE TREES. SO I HOPE THAT YOU CAN, UH, AGREE TO HAVE MORE TIME AND MAYBE HAVE SOME MORE PUBLIC INPUT AND EXPERT'S INPUT TO, TO DO THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER PROFIT. THANK YOU FOR THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER SIEGEL HAD SOME VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. I THINK THE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, TRANSPARENCY AND AS, UH, MELISSA EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS PART OF THE BOND PROCESS. HOPEFULLY THE IMPACT OF THE TREES WAS DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, TO, IN THOSE PUBLIC SETTINGS. AND THAT WAS THE TIME TO VOICE THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PUBLIC FUNDS, AND IF PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT THEM SPENT IN THIS MANNER, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT THEN. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO PRESERVING HISTORICAL FEATURES. I MEAN, BRECKMAN PARK IS VERY IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY. IF WE DO NOTHING, WE RUN THE RISK OF, OF LOSING, UH, YOU KNOW, AN IMPORTANT ASSET TO OUR CITY. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ISSUE ABOUT THE MIGRATORY BIRDS HAS KIND OF CONFLATED THE ISSUE. AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. UM, AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOES, HAS DONE IS, HAS A, A TREE TREE PRESERVATION. SO WE'RE NOT JUST CUTTING THESE TREES DOWN, DOING NOTHING. THERE'LL BE A, AN OVER ABUNDANCE OF TREES PLANTED WITHIN THE PARK, UH, THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, IMPACT THE COMMUNITY. UM, IT DOES CONCERN ME. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GARCIA. THESE ARE OLD TREES, AND IT, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH DECISION. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WITH ALL THE INPUT THAT WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU DO NOTHING, UM, THAT WE, UH, VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS. BUT I'LL RESERVE MY UNTIL I HEAR IT FROM THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER CARDIO HAYNES. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU MR. MORENO AND, UH, MR. PINEL FOR PRESENTATION. AND THANK YOU TO THE CITIZENS WHO CAME HERE TO SPEAK TO US TODAY. UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, CAN YOU, THE STAFF, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE BRECKENRIDGE CONSERVANCY STANDS ON THIS ISSUE? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AND, UM, WE HEARD FROM ONE OF THE CALLERS ABOUT POSSIBLY A PHASED APPROACH. I COMPLETELY RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES THERE AT THE LAMBDA BEACH PARK AREA, AND THE NECESSITY, UM, TO GET THOSE TAKEN CARE OF. UM, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO DOING IT IN A PHASE APPROACH, PERHAPS ADDRESSING THAT SECTION FIRST, UM, AND ALLOWING THOSE BIRDS TO PERHAPS GO INTO THEIR AREA AND THEN ADDRESSING THE REST OF THE, THE PARK AT A LATER DATE OR THE REST OF THE PROJECT AT A LATER DATE? SO, UH, BASED ON, UM, UH, BASED ON OUR EXPERTS IN THE PROCESS, UM, THAT WE MET WITH THESE AGENCIES, TEXAS, UH, US FISH AND WILDLIFE, TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, UH, THEY RECOMMEND THAT WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED NOW. UH, THE PHASED APPROACH DOES HEAL WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES FIRST. UH, THEN THE FIRST PHASE WILL BE THE, UM, RESTORATION AND STABILIZATION OF THE RIVER WALLS AND UNDERNEATH THE PUMP HOUSE. AND THEN THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH WE ARE STILL IN CURRENT DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, UH, CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND, UM, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION ON, UH, EXACTLY HOW WE'RE TAKING CARE OF SOME OF THE STRUCTURES OF, BY THE SAFETY OF THE LI POND AND DIVERSION DAM. SO THAT'LL BE THE NEXT, THE THIRD PHASE OR SECOND PHASE THAT THAT'LL GO THROUGH, UM, WHICH WILL HAPPEN LATER THIS YEAR AFTER MORE DESIGN AND MORE, UH, PUBLIC INPUT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. MM-HMM. , UM, LAST QUESTION IS, IS THIS PART OF A, A LARGER, UM, EFFORT THROUGHOUT THE, UM, THE GRAND 340 PLUS ACRES OF BRECKENRIDGE, OR WILL THIS BE ISOLATED TO THE SIX ACRES? AND ONCE YOU'RE DONE, YOU'RE DONE? UM, SO THIS IS THE CURRENT PROPOSED FUNDED PROJECT. OKAY. UH, THE 2017 BOND PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE, UM, BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY AND, UH, THEY'VE ALSO CONDUCTED A CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT TO GO ALONG WITH OUR 2017 MASTER PLAN TO LOOK AT OTHER PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE, UM, PARK AS WELL. UM, THERE ARE PROJECTS PROPOSED TO BE FUNDED BY THE COUNTY, WHICH ARE ECOSYSTEM AND HABITAT MODIFICATIONS AND, UM, ALONG THE RIVER, UH, DOWN BY RIVER ROAD AND BETWEEN THE LOW WATER CROSSING AND MULBERRY. SO, UH, BIRDS DO BELONG IN PARKS, UM, IN PROPER AMOUNTS AND, AND PROPER AREAS. UM, BUT WHEN THEY TAKE AWAY FROM PUBLIC AMENITIES AND USES, UH, THERE'S CONFLICT. SO, UH, [01:05:01] IF THEY LOCATE IN OTHER AREAS IN THESE NATURAL AREAS, IT'S PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE AND WANTED. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR, UH, THAT NOTE ABOUT THE BRECKENRIDGE CONSERVANCY BEING IN FULL SUPPORT. COMMISSIONER GARCIA. YES, I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I WAS WONDERING HOW DID THE, THE NEW TREES COMPARE TO THE OLD TREES? WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW MANY OAK TREES ARE BEING REMOVED VERSUS HOW MANY ARE BEING PLANTED. AND THEN ALSO, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE REMOVING ABOUT A HUNDRED TREES, BUT YOU'RE PLANTING ABOUT 220, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. UM, THE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, UM, THE A HUNDRED OR SO TREES THAT WE'RE REMOVING, UH, RANGE ANYWHERE FROM, UH, TWO INCHES IN DIAMETER, UH, UP TO, I THINK IN THE THIRTIES FOR THE HERITAGE TREES. UH, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE REPLACING, UH, DURING OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, UM, PLANTING THE NEW TREES. THE 219 NEW TREES IS PART OF THAT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. SO IT USUALLY HAPPENS IN THE LATTER PORTIONS OF THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE. UH, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PLANT A BUNCH OF TREES AND THEN GO IN WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER CONSTRUCTION. BUT, UM, THOSE TREES WILL TYPICALLY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM, UH, TWO INCH TO EIGHT INCH IN DIAMETER. UH, THERE MAY BE SOME CONSIDERATION TO BRING IN SOME LARGER TREES, UH, TO PLANT AS WELL, UH, TO HELP WITH CANOPY AND WHATNOT. BUT, UM, THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE SPECIES OF TREES? UH, IF I CAN, IF I CAN ADD, UH, TO WHAT JAMAL'S TALKING ABOUT, THE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY, UH, OVERALL THERE, THERE'S ABOUT 50, 60 HERITAGE TREES AND THERE'S GONNA BE, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 13 HERITAGE TREES REMOVED OF THE HERITAGE TREES. NINE NINE IS THE EXACT NUMBER. UH, NO BALD CYRUS, BIG CYPRESS TREES ON THE RIVER WILL BE REMOVED. UH, TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE PLANTED BACK. THEY HAVE A, A NICE SPECIES PALLET THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. THEY ARE, UH, RECOMMENDED TREES FOR, UH, PER OUR APPENDIX SEA. THEY'LL BE IN RANGE FROM TWO TO FOUR INCHES UP TO SIX INCHES. AND, AND THOSE CAN CHANGE. THOSE ARE JUST WITHIN THE PROJECT LIMITS. SO WE, WE, UM, ARE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THIS VARIANCE TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE, UH, THE DESIGN FOR THE ADDITIONAL TREES TO BE PLANTED. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT, UH, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TREES COMING OUT AND THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT'LL BE PLANTED BACK IS GOING TO GREATLY INCREASE THE OVERALL CANOPY, UH, DENSITY THAT IN THIS AREA. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TREES WOULD BE LOST? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S DEGRADATION, ESPECIALLY ADJACENT TO THE RIVER. IF WE DID NOTHING, IF WE, WE DIDN'T IMPROVE THE WALKWAY, THEY WOULD JUST DO THE DETERIORATION OF THE WALL, THE SUPPORTING STRUCTURES. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TREES WE WOULD LOSE OVER TIME? UH, NO, SIR. THAT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER. UM, YOU KNOW, CAN'T REALLY PREDICT THE FUTURE. UM, I, I IMAGINE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU STUDY THE, THE AREA BY THE RIVER REALLY CLOSELY, UH, AND YOU SEE WHERE SOME OF THE WALLS HAVE FAILED, UH, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE USED TO BE TREES IN THOSE PLACES, AND THOSE TREES ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE. UM, SO, AND ELSEWHERE IN THE PARK AS WELL. SO, UM, BUT IT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO, UH, OPINE ON THE FUTURE OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, THE TREES AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL LOSE THEM OR WHEN WE'LL LOSE THEM. UH, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IF, IF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES, UH, THAT ARE RETAINING, UH, SOME OF THOSE TREES, IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO DEGRADATE AND FAIL, UH, LIKE THAT, UH, ONE SECTION HAS FAILED, UH, THEN EVENTUALLY THE TREES THAT ARE BEING AND, AND ROOT ZONES THAT ARE BEING RETAINED BY THOSE WALLS WILL FAIL AS WELL. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, THE LAST THING IS, WHAT KIND OF THINGS DID YOU HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE US OR TEXAS FISH AND WILDLIFE, KIND OF A, HOW WAS THE PROJECT AFFECTED BY THAT COORDINATION? UM, SO, UH, US FISH AND WILDLIFE IN TEXAS, PARKS AND WILDLIFE AND US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, UM, HELP US DEAL WITH THE BIRD ISSUE. SO IT'S ABOUT THE HABITAT, IT'S ABOUT THE CONFLICT ISSUES, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, WAYS, UM, HOW WE CAN HUMANELY, UH, RELOCATE THE BIRDS. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE PERMITS AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD GET TO, TO REMOVE BIRDS. UM, THAT'S NOT AN APPROACH WE'RE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO HUMANELY FIND THEM ANOTHER LOCATION WHERE THEY CAN, THEY CAN, UH, LIVE THEIR LIVES, HAVE THEIR YOUNG, AND CONTINUE TO REPRODUCE AND STILL BE VIABLE TO THE SAN ANTONIO REGION. SO IT'S JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THEM TO, [01:10:01] UM, JUST IN, IN HOW WE, HOW WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT IN A HUMANE GREAT WAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ORIAN? YES. UH, SO YOU, YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT, UH, THAT THE, UH, TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION WANTED YOU TO KEEP THE LOCATION OF THE WALLS AND THE STYLE. DID THEY, DID THEY ALSO DICTATE THE, THE STRUCTURAL, UH, METHOD OF THE WALL? LIKE WHETHER IT HAD TIEBACKS OR WHETHER IT WAS BEAMED DOWN? LIKE, DID YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WAY TO POTENTIALLY SAVE TREES? UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UH, THEY DON'T REALLY SPEAK TO, UH, METHODS. UM, THEY'RE MORE ABOUT, UH, PRESERVING THE CULTURAL RESOURCES, UH, AS CLOSE TO THEIR ORIGINAL, UM, UH, CONDITION AS POSSIBLE. UH, IT WAS OUR, OUR ENGINEER TEAM, UH, AND OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM, UM, UH, OUR ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, UH, THAT TOOK A LOOK AT, UM, THE DIFFERENT METHODS. UM, AND I THINK THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT IN ORDER TO, TO MAKE THESE, UH, THESE WALLS AND THESE OTHER HISTORIC STRUCTURES, UM, UH, SUSTAINABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT SEVERAL DECADES, SO THAT THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM, UH, SOON, UM, WAS THAT WE HAD TO PUT SOME SORT OF, OF, UM, OF, UH, UH, SIZABLE STRUCTURE BEHIND THEM, UNDER THEM, UH, TO, UH, PROTECT THEM. AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS THAT'S HEAVY CONSTRUCTION. UH, AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO HEAVY CONSTRUCTION IS HEAVY EXCAVATION. UM, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE, UH, PIERS, FOOTINGS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND TO, TO TRY TO, TO ASK A CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT IN PROXIMITY, UH, TO TREES. I MEAN, YOU, YOU SAW SOME OF THE PICTURES WHERE THE TREES WERE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE WALL. IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S NOT, IT, UH, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. RIGHT. I MEAN, I SAW ON THE SIDE PLAN A LOT OF THE LARGER TREES ARE REMOVING, ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE WALLS. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED, UH, TO BE REMOVED TO, TO MAINTAIN THE WALL AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE, OF THE LAYOUT. YES, SIR. BUT THERE ALSO WAS A LARGE NUMBER OF TREES I NOTICED THAT WERE NOWHERE NEAR WALLS AND THEY WERE TAGGED FOR REMOVAL AND ALL. CAN YOU SPEAK ON THOSE? I MEAN, IF IT, IT, UH, I MEAN, I FOUND PROBABLY 20 OF 'EM THAT AREN'T ANYWHERE NEAR A WALL, BUT THEY'RE TAGGED FOR REMOVAL. AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS THERE SOME SORT OF IMPROVEMENT COMING IN THAT AREA WHERE THERE'RE IN CONFLICT OR, OR WHAT? YES, SIR. SO WE HAVE THE, UH, THE 2017 BOND PROJECT AT LARGE, WHICH IS ENCOMPASSES THAT WHOLE, UH, COLORED IN AREA THAT YOU SAW AT THE BEGINNING. UH, SO WE DO HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. OUR, UM, OUR, UH, CONSTRUCTION BUDGET IS RIGHT AT AROUND $12 MILLION. SO IT'S QUITE, UH, AN IMPACTFUL PROJECT. UH, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF NEW AMENITIES, UH, CULTURAL TRAIL. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE, UH, CLOSE TO THESE CULTURAL RESOURCES WITH INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE SO THAT WE CAN EDUCATE THEM AND, AND BETTER HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE STRUCTURES, WHY THEY'RE THERE, WHY THEY WERE BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE. UH, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ADDING SEVERAL NEW AMENITIES, LIKE I SAID, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO AFFECT THIS WHOLE AREA OF THE PARK, UH, WITH A NEW CAPITAL PROJECT. AND SO WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN, UH, AREAS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING CONSTRUCTION AND A, A TREE IS IN THE WAY. THEY MAY BE SMALL TREES, THEY MAY BE SIGNIFICANT TREES. UM, SO MOST OF THE TREES, OR I'D SAY A GOOD PORTION OF THE TREES WERE AFFECTING OUR CULTURAL RESOURCES. YOU'RE RIGHT. SOME OF THEM ARE NOT. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE MITIGATING THOSE TREES. UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT, UH, IS JUST BETTER FOR THE WHOLE AREA. UM, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UH, SO THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO USE THIS AREA. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS REALLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN. I JUST SAW A GOOD NUMBER OF 'EM THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY CONFLICT IN THE PICTURES. WELL, YES. SO THE, UM, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE RIVER WALLS ARE NOT THE ONLY CULTURAL RESOURCE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. UH, WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH, UH, THE PUMPHOUSE. WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH THE LAMBERT BEACH STEPS. UH, THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER CULTURAL RESOURCE, UH, THE UPPER LABOR SEIA. STEPH, CAN YOU BRING UP, UM, ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS, UH, THERE'S ALL THE LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT ARE IN THERE. I, I'M SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT, UH, PAGE 15 OF 18, LIKE THE ACTUAL SEALED LANDSCAPE PLANS. YEAH. [01:15:22] COMMISSIONER, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SHOW A, THERE'S SOME GREAT PICTURES OF, AND I JUST, I WANTED, UH, STAFF TO, TO SPEAK ON. I'LL, I'LL JUST ONE EXAMPLE, AND I'M NOT GONNA BRING UP ALL 20 OF 'EM, BUT WHICH ONE COMMISSIONER? UH, IT'S, IT'S THE ONE THAT SAYS, UM, THE NUMBER THREE, THE LAST ONE AND PAGE 15 OUT OF 18. OKAY. SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL JUST, I'M GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT ONE OF THEM, LIKE TREE NUMBER 180 OR 180 3, OR EVEN 1 79. I MEAN, SOME OF THESE ARE NOWHERE NEAR A WALL. THEY'RE JUST KIND OF LOOK LIKE THEY'RE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD, LIKE EVEN 1, 1 90 DOWN IN THE BOTTOM. RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANY CONFLICT WITH THAT TREE THAT'S STICKING STRAIGHT UP. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OUT LIKE WHY THAT, WHY IS THAT BEING REMOVED? AND THERE'S A WHOLE NUMBER OF 'EM LIKE THAT. AND I JUST, I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS. UM, HI, MY NAME IS RACHEL WILKINS. I'M, I'M WITH S W A, I'M THE ONE WHO DREW THESE PLANTS. IT MIGHT BE EASIER IF WE COULD CORRESPOND THE PHOTOS WITH THEIR TAG AND THE PLAN, AND THEN I COULD ADDRESS WHY TREES WERE RECOMMENDED TO BE REMOVED. UM, A LOT OF THESE, UH, PHOTOS ARE TAKEN FROM A PERSPECTIVE WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE THE CULTURAL RESOURCE. THEY'RE EITHER ON THE HIGH SIDE OF THE HILL NEXT TO THE ASAKIA, OR THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE DAM OR THE PUMP HOUSE. UM, IN THE, IN THE OVERALL DESIGN, WE REALLY DID PRIORITIZE SAVING AS MANY OF THE LARGE TREES AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. UM, IF YOU COULD FLIP BACK TO SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SHEETS. SO HE SAID TREE 1 91 83. 180 3. YEAH. ONE 90 IS A GOOD ONE. JUST TALK ABOUT THAT ONE JUST TO THANK YOU. I'LL HAVE TO COME OVER HERE. SORRY. I THINK THAT'S, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND, UH, ADDRESS IT, UH, ON THE MIC? SURE. SO THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS, THIS SET OF DUAL LINES IS THE HISTORIC ASAKIA. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TREES THERE ARE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE ASAKIA, WE ARE RECOMMENDING BEING REMOVED. UM, THIS IS A SMALLER TREE. AS IT GETS LARGER, ITS ROOT ZONES ARE ALSO GOING TO INCREASE. IT'S ALSO ON THE HIGH SIDE OF THE SLOPE NEXT TO THE ASSIA, WHICH, WHICH PUTS IT IN NOT A GREAT CONDITION. OKAY. NOW, I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE WE HEARD, WE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY FROM THE COMMUNITY, AND, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING I SEE ON THIS PLAN IS I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY TREES NEAR WALLS AND CERTAIN STRUCTURES HAVE HAVE TO BE REMOVED. UH, BUT WHEN I SEE ONE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, A GOOD DISTANCE AWAY, I, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WERE Y'ALL PROPOSING TO PUT SOMETHING THERE OR ARE YOU JUST REMOVING IT BECAUSE OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE RACEWAY AND THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED TODAY. RIGHT. AND, AND LIKE JAMAL SAID, UM, [01:20:01] THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT HISTORICAL RESOURCES THAT WE'RE PROTECTING. UM, THERE'S THE ASAKIA THAT RUNS DOWN HERE. UM, THERE'S THE UPPER LEOR DAM, WHICH IS IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. WE ALSO HAVE THE HISTORIC RACEWAY, WHICH IS RUNNING DOWN THIS AREA TO THE PUMPHOUSE AS WELL. OKAY. UM, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT, THAT MOST OF THESE TREES ARE CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH ONE OF THOSE STRUCTURES OR THEY'RE OF, UH, EVASIVE SPECIES. ALL RIGHT. AND MY LAST QUESTION IS, IS WHEN THIS WORK IS DONE, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY FROM, UM, HISTORIC GOING OUT THERE LOOKING FOR ANY ARTIFACTS OR ANYTHING DURING THE ENTIRE PROCESS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. GREAT QUESTIONS. UH, A A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, UH, FOR THE TEAM. AND IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR MR. BIRD. I SAW ON THAT LAST SLIDE THAT HAD THE MINIMUM REQUIRED CANOPY, UH, VERSUS, UH, THE CANOPY THAT WILL BE ACHIEVED. UH, DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR THE CURRENT CANOPY AS IS TODAY VERSUS, UH, WHAT WILL WHAT WE WILL ACHIEVE? WE, WE DON'T ASK THAT THEY PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. WHAT, WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS A COMBINATION OF WHAT'S MAINTAINED THAT'S GONNA BE PRESERVED ON WITHIN THE PROJECT LIMITS, AND THEN ADDING IN WHAT IS PROPOSED TO BE PLANTED. OKAY. SO IT, IT, IT DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT'S BEEN REMOVED. SO IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ADDITION, SUBTRACTION, AND ADDITION IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH THAT NEW CANOPY, UH, CALCULATION. OKAY. SO, UM, REGARDLESS, THE NEW CANOPY IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN, UH, WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. IT WILL BE, YES. OKAY. AND OUT OF THE NINE HERITAGE TREES, UH, REMOVED, UH, CAN YOU ALL QUICKLY POINT OUT, UH, THOSE HERITAGE TREES? AND THEN SIMILAR TO THE QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER ORIAN WERE, WERE SPEAKING ABOUT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN MAKING SURE THAT AT LEAST THOSE, THOSE NINE OLDEST TREES, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT, NOT EVEN ONE OF THEM PROBABLY CAN BE SAVED. YES, I CAN, I CAN ATTEMPT TO, TO POINT THOSE OUT. AND THEN MR. BURHAM, I APOLOGIZE, DON'T GO TOO FAR. WHILE, WHILE WE DO THAT, I ALSO WANNA KNOW, DO WE KNOW THOSE NINE HERITAGE TREES? I ASSUME THE CITY HAS A TRACK ON WHERE OUR OLDEST TREES IN THE CITIES ARE IN THE CITY ARE LOCATED, AND ARE ANY OF THESE NINE TREES, THE OLDEST TREES IN THE CITY? WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF THE OLDEST TREES IN THE CITY. UH, WE KEEP FINDING THEM EVERY TIME WE'RE ON NEW DEVELOPMENT SITES AS WELL AS JUST, UH, UH, HIDDEN AREAS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, HAD TREE SURVEYS DONE BEFORE. UM, I, WE WONDER IF THE TREES IN THE LOCATIONS THEY ARE NOW THAT ARE BEING REMOVED ALONG THE WALLS WERE EVEN THERE WHEN THE WALLS WERE CONSTRUCTED. UH, THERE, THERE'S SOME QUESTION BACK AND FORTH WHETHER, UH, A AS BIG AS THOSE TREES ARE, THEY'VE DONE, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN AN IDEAL LOCATION WHERE THEY HAVE GOOD ALLUVIAL SOILS, UH, CONTINUOUS, UH, WATER FOR THE MOST PART, UH, AND, UH, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE PROBABLY EXCEEDED WHAT THEIR GROWTH POTENTIALS ARE EXPECTED TO BE. UH, SO LIVE OAKS ARE CONSIDERED SLOW GROWING TREES, AND, UH, THESE PROBABLY IN 50 AND A HUNDRED YEARS HAVE REALLY EXCEEDED WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO FIND IN THOSE AREAS. SO, GOOD QUESTIONS. SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, UM, I'LL DO MY BEST HERE. WE TRIED TO ON THE PLAN PUT, UH, SIZES AND CORRELATION TO THE SIZE OF TREES. SO YOU CAN SEE THESE THREE LARGE ONES RIGHT HERE ARE THE HERITAGE TREES. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE LARGEST TREE COMING OUT RIGHT THERE. AND IT'S UP AGAINST THE WALL. UH, ACTUALLY THIS IS THE TREE, UH, THAT IS NEXT TO THE WALL THAT HAS ALREADY FAILED, CORRECT? UH, FEET AWAY FROM THE WALL. UM, THERE ARE, UH, TWO OTHER HERITAGE TREES. I BELIEVE THEY'RE JUST OVER HERITAGE SIZE. I THINK ONE OF THEM'S 25 INCHES. THE OTHER ONE'S AROUND 26 OR 27, UH, TWO, I BELIEVE IT'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. AND, UM, ONE OF THESE, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER HERITAGE TREE RIGHT HERE, UH, THAT IS IN, UH, THE RACEWAY THAT'LL HAVE TO BE REMOVED. THERE'S NO HERITAGE TREES THERE. OKAY. HERITAGE TREES THERE, BUT THEY'RE BEING SAVED. YEAH. UM, SO THE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, THE OTHER, UH, THREE HERITAGE, OH, I'M SORRY. ONE OF 'EM, UH, ONE OF THE PECANS IS HERITAGE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PUMP HOUSE. UH, I BELIEVE BOTH OF THEM ARE, BOTH OF THEM ARE HERITAGE, SO THEY'RE JUST OVER THE THRESHOLD AS WELL. 24, 25 INCH RANGE, THOSE TWO IN YELLOW RIGHT THERE. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. OF [01:25:01] COURSE, THERE ARE MANY HERITAGE TREES THAT WE'RE SAVING. IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE THESE GREEN CIRCLES, BUT THE GREEN CIRCLES THAT YOU SEE ARE ALL TREES THAT WE'RE SAVING. SO THERE ARE LARGE TREES HERE THAT ARE NOT BEING REMOVED AND THAT ARE ACTUALLY GONNA BE ASSETS TO THE PROJECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE, UM, THAT, THAT ANSWER. AND MY LAST QUESTION. OH, UM, MOVING FORWARD. AND SO WE, WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE PHOTOS THAT YOU PROVIDED OF THE, THE NEGLECTED TREES, IF YOU WILL. AND SO WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED AND, AND HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVEN PROBABLY PAST THE TIME WHERE WE'RE IN OUR CURRENT ROLES, THAT SOME OF THOSE TREES MOVING FORWARD ARE NOT NEGLECTED AND, AND ARE SAVED? RIGHT. SO OUR PLAN WITH OUR NEW TREE PLANTING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT NEAR ANY CULTURAL RESOURCES. UM, THAT THEY'RE NOT NEAR ANY UTILITIES, UM, THAT COULD BE DETRIMENT TO THEM IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND, UH, AND TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT AS THE YEARS GO ON, THAT, UH, MAINTENANCE IN THIS AREA OF TREES, UH, IS, IS CONTINUALLY, UH, DONE. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE TREES THAT ARE UP AGAINST THESE, UH, THESE CULTURAL RESOURCES, THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY THAT BIG OR THAT CLOSE TO A CULTURAL RESOURCES 30 OR 40 OR 50 YEARS AGO. UH, UM, AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF NOT DEALING WITH THEM TO WHERE IT'S, IT'S NOW BECOME A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. THANK YOU. UH, ONE OTHER POINT I DID WANT TO MAKE. UM, I THINK THERE HAD BEEN SOME, UH, A COMMENT OR TWO ABOUT, UM, UH, MAYBE NOT TAKING, UH, THIS UP RIGHT NOW AND MOVING IT FURTHER, UH, INTO THE YEAR FOR MORE DISCUSSION. WE DO HAVE, UH, A CLOCK ON, UH, REMOVING THESE TREES, AND THAT IS THE BIRDS. UM, EVENTUALLY, UH, DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER, THE BIRDS ARE GONNA, UH, START TO COME BACK IN THE FEBRUARY OR MARCH TIMEFRAME. UH, AND WHEN THEY DO, WHEN THEY START TO ROOST AND THEY START TO NET, UH, TOUCH THE TREES AT ALL, UM, AND SO WE, OUR PROJECT WOULD BE POSTPONED PROBABLY UNTIL AT LEAST NOVEMBER, DECEMBER WHEN THEY DECIDE TO MIGRATE AGAIN. SO THAT IS THE, UH, THE URGENT TIMELINE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO IF THIS BODY WERE TO, UM, VOTE DENIAL OF THIS PROJECT, IT WOULD STILL MOVE FORWARD, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL AND IF FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER THEY WOULD DENY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THEN? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BILL. YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL? YEAH, SURE. SO TODAY, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, COMMISSIONERS IS THE VARIANCE. UM, REMEMBER THIS IS ABOUT THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES, NOT THE BIRDS. THE, UH, IF THE ITEM TODAY WERE DENIED BY THE COMMISSION, STAFF DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL TO PLANNING, UH, TO CITY COUNCIL, EXCUSE ME. UH, AND AT THAT TIME, CITY COUNCIL'S THE FINAL DECISION MAKER. UH, WE WILL REMIND THEM THAT THEY CONSIDERED THIS IN 2017 WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE BOND. AND, AND MELISSA, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE MORE HIGH LEVEL? I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAD, UM, SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL AND VOTERS APPROVED THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM. AND SO HIGH LEVEL, CAN YOU TALK TO HOW MANY MEETINGS WERE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND HOW WELL ATTENDED THOSE WERE? UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE 2017, BUT I KNOW BASED OFF OF EXPERIENCE OF SEEING THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, AND CURRENT ONE, THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF A TURNOUT. THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMUNICATION ON THE ITEMS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR ALL THE BONDS. UM, AND SO, OR ALL THE BOND PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE, THEY'RE BROKEN UP INTO DIFFERENT COMMITTEES. UH, AND THIS ONE WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY VETTED, PREVIOUSLY VETTED. UH, SO I DID WANT TO ADD, SO THE 2017 MASTER PLAN FOR THE PROJECT WENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE WENT TO ALL COUNCIL DISTRICTS. WE WENT TO A THOUSANDS OF CITIZENS. WE HAD ABOUT 12 DIFFERENT PUBLIC MEETINGS TO GET INPUT ABOUT THE PARK AND ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE PARK. AND BASED ON THAT, THERE WERE FIVE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES. UM, ONLY THREE OF THEM WERE APPROVED BY THE PUBLIC, AND THOSE WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. SO THE PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION OF HISTORIC AND CULTURAL FEATURES WAS ONE OF THE TOP THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC WANTED TO BE DONE. OKAY. UM, AND THEN ALSO THE PRESERVATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND WATER QUALITY. SO THOSE ARE TWO OUT OF THE THREE THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE PUBLIC AND THEN ALSO APPROVED BY COUNCIL AS THAT MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED THROUGH LOSS OF PUBLIC INPUT. THANK YOU. THAT WAS, UM, GOOD, GOOD INFORMATION FOR US TO KEEP IN [01:30:01] MIND. AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL, UH, TO THE STAFF. UM, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY LONG, THOROUGH, RIGHTFULLY SO, UM, PROCESS BEGINNING EVEN SINCE 2016. UH, AND SO I THINK THE APPROPRIATE MEMBERS, UM, FROM STAFF, FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND BEYOND, UH, WERE CONNECTED AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS. UM, I DO THANK EVERYONE THAT WE'RE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY, UH, FROM THE 16, UH, FROM, FROM THE 16 PEOPLE THAT TOOK THE TIME TO LEAVE THE VOICEMAILS TO, UM, YOU, TO THE FOUR INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE HERE TODAY TO SPEAK, UM, EVEN IN OPPOSITION OF THIS ITEM. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. WE, UM, HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. WE ARE DEFINITELY TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, UM, YOUR COMMENTS. THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT AN EASY, UM, ITEM. WE DO ALL CARE ABOUT OUR BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, YOU CAN JUST, EASTER IS COMING UP AND, AND THAT'S THE TESTAMENT TO HOW POPULAR AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT PARK IS. UM, AND SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR BEING HERE AND BEING ENGAGED AND, UH, VOICING YOUR OPINIONS. AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PROFIT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARILLO HAYNES. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HANES. YES. COMMISSIONER UH, CHRISTOPHER GARCIA. YES. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI. APPROVED COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. UH, NO. COMMISSIONER PRO PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER BUS MONTE ABSTAIN. COMMISSIONER RYAN? YES. MADAM CHAIR GONZALEZ? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. I DO WANNA NOTE FOR THE MINUTES THAT AT, UH, 2 39, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE LEFT THE MEETING AND AT 3 34, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE RETURNED. THANK YOU, SIR FOR COMING. AND IT IS ALSO 3 34. COMMISSIONER CARILLO HAYNES WILL BE LEAVING, UH, THE MEETING. I DO HAVE ONE MORE JUST POINT, UM, ON THAT SAME ITEM THAT WAS RELEVANT TO THE BIRD. SO NOT RELEVANT TO THE ACTION OF THE ITEM. DID WE DO ANY COORDINATION WITH MITCHELL LAKE? UM, SINCE THEY ARE A HUB FOR BIRDS IN OUR CITY, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS A PROJECT COMING. I'M STAFF. CAN ANYBODY SPEAK TO THAT QUESTION? WATER SUSTAINABILITY, MA'AM. CITIZENS TO BE HEARD IS OVER. THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR YOUR OPINIONS. THANK YOU. UH, ANY COORDINATION WITH MITCHELL LAKE IN REGARDS TO THE BIRDS? IF THERE'S ANY COORDINATION OR HELP OR RELOCATION THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE? SO WE, WE HAVE WORKED WITH, UH, BEXAR COUNTY, AUDUBON SOCIETY, UM, WHO, WHO WORKS WITH MITCHELL LAKE. UM, ESPECIALLY WITH ALMANOR LAKE PROJECT, WE ACTUALLY, UH, REMOVED SOME NESTS AND GAVE TO THEM TO PUT IN MITCHELL LAKE TO TRY TO GET THE BIRDS TO RELOCATE THERE. UH, LAST TIME IT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. UH, BUT YES, WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT INSIGHT. OKAY, IT IS 3 36. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL RETURN HERE AT 3 41. OKAY. IT IS 3 41. IF WE CAN PLEASE GET BACK INTO MEETING MODE. WE STILL HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. 3 41 ITEM NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS NUMBER [Comprehensive Master Plan Amendments  ] SEVEN. DO WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION? GOOD AFTERNOON. RICHARD BIZ DE VASQUEZ PLANNER HERE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST FOR AN APPROVAL RESOLUTION TO AMEND U T S A AV REGIONAL CENTER PLAN FROM COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 6,400 BLOCK OF DE OLIVE ROAD. THERE ARE 14 NOTICES MAILED ONE IN FAVOR ON ZERO OPPOSED INSIDE THE 200 FEET RADIUS. 19 OPPOSED OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET RADIUS AND OAKMONT DOWN COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. THE APPLICANT SEEKS A PLAN AMENDMENT TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO REZONE TO MF 25 LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY. THE PROPOSED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MEDIUM DENSITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL LAND USE TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE, AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL LAND USE. THE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUESTS ALIGNS WITH THE HOUSING GOALS OF THE U T SS A AREA REGIONAL CENTER PLAN. THE CURRENT AREA IS UNDERDEVELOPED AND CAN USE ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS. ADDITIONALLY, THE SITE'S PROXIMITY TO UNIVERSITY TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS. [01:35:01] SAN ANTONIO IS CONDUCTED MORE TO MORE DENSITY AND THE PROPOSED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE PROVIDES A MODERATE ALTERNATIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND STAFF IS BILLABLE FOR QUESTION AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. UH, MS. COLLEEN WACK. I APOLOGIZE IF I BUTCHERED YOUR LAST NAME. MA'AM, IF YOU CAN PLEASE STATE YOUR, UH, FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. YOU DID GREAT ON THE NAME MADAM CHAIR. DID YOU WANT TO DO THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION FIRST BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT? IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. I WILL LEAVE IT TO THE APPLICANT. ? YES, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, WE HAVE A OKAY. THANK YOU. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. ASHLEY FAIRMAN KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE. UM, PULLING UP A, A, A QUICK PRESENTATION HOPEFULLY FOR YOU ALL. SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS REQUEST TODAY. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CASEY DEVELOPMENT, WHO'S THE OWNER AND, AND WILL BE THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. UH, ORI KALINOWSKI WITH CASEY IS HERE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, AFTER THE PRESENTATION, HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM IF I CAN'T. SO, UM, AS STAFF MENTIONED, WE'RE REQUESTING A CHANGE FOR THE U T S A REGIONAL CENTER PLAN FOR THIS PROPERTY HERE. IT'S ABOUT 12.6 ACRES, UH, LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF DAYS OF ALLAH AND JB BACON. OKAY. UM, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT KIND OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AREA RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF, OF OTHER USES. SO THERE'S THREE AND FOUR STORY APARTMENTS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. UH, THERE IS A ROAD TO ACCESS THOSE APARTMENTS. AND THEN THE MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WILL ALSO USE THAT SAME ROAD TO ACCESS, UH, THE NEW COMMUNITY. SO IT WILL NOT REQUIRE ANY NEW CURB CUTS, UM, WHICH WAS LIKELY IF, IF IT WAS DEVELOPED UNDER THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONING. UM, OTHER USES WERE ACROSS THE STREET FROM GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE, AUTO PARTS, RETAIL STORAGE, ALL COMMERCIAL. UH, THIS IS A VACANT COMMERCIAL PIECE HERE, UH, ALL C THREE ZONING. AND THEN WE HAVE C THREE ZONING ALONG DAYS OF ALLAH, UH, WITH, UM, SOME COMMERCIAL USES AND ALSO A LOT OF VACANT SPACE CURRENTLY IN THAT PROPERTY. ALSO ACROSS JB BACON, UH, IS A, A COMMERCIAL PARCEL, UH, CURRENTLY OWNED BY H E B, THAT THAT IS VACANT AS WELL. UM, SO JUST, JUST AGAIN, OUTLINING THE REQUEST, WE ARE ASKING TO GO FROM COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, UM, TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO ALLOW FOR MF 25 ZONING. JUST KINDA ZOOMING OUT A LITTLE BIT, WE, WE BELIEVE THE REQUEST IS APPROPRIATE AS IT'S ADJACENT TO OTHER MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL ALREADY DESIGNATED IN THE AREA THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED. UM, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO ANY LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THANK YOU. UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT SOME OF THE GOALS OF SA TOMORROW. UM, CITY STAFF DID MENTION THEM, BUT ONE OF THE MAJOR GOALS OF THAT PLAN IS ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPTIONS. SO, UH, THERE'S A GREAT DEMAND FOR HOUSING WITHIN THE U T S A REGIONAL CENTER AND, UH, THIS WE THINK IS A, A PRETTY GOOD LOCATION FOR IT. UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT DEMAND, IT ALSO CALLS FOR THE PLAN DOES, UH, DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES. SO, UM, WE ARE ADJACENT TO MULTIFAMILY, BUT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, SOME TRADITIONAL APARTMENTS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A SITE PLAN IN A MINUTE, BUT THEN ALSO SOME TOWN HOME UNITS FOR LEASE, UH, THAT WE THINK BRING, BRING SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THE AREA AS WELL. UM, ALSO AT THE, THE BOTTOM HERE, YOU SEE GOAL NUMBER FIVE, UH, TO PROTECT NATURAL RESOURCES, UH, A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABLE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE WITH IMPERVIOUS COVER WITH TREE PRESERVATION, UH, IN WORKING WITH THE EXISTING SITE, UM, AS IT IS TODAY. UM, AND THEN FINALLY ONE OTHER THING I DID WANNA MENTION IS GOAL NUMBER TWO TALKS ABOUT MAINTAINING, UH, ENHANCING EXISTING CHARACTER AND THEN DISCOURAGING COMMERCIAL AND HIGH DENSITY ENCROACHMENT WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE THINK THAT THE PROPOSAL IS AN ATTRACTIVE DEVELOPMENT. WE THINK THAT IT IS AT THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION AND UM, AT TWO MAJOR COLLECTORS. IT'S NOT AGAIN, ADJACENT TO ANY SINGLE FAMILY. WE'RE NOT NEAR THE ENTRANCES TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, AND BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE SITE. UH OH, OKAY. AGAIN, IT JUST EMPHASIZING THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING AND, AND THE NEED CALLED FOR IN, IN THE PLAN. JUST CURRENT ZONING, WE CAN PROBABLY SKIP THROUGH THAT ONE. . THANKS . UM, SO, UH, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN THAT'S PROPOSED. UM, RIGHT NOW IS 292 UNITS WITH, UH, THESE ARE THOSE TOWN HOME UNITS I MENTIONED. THAT WOULD BE TWO STORY. WE THINK THAT GOING FROM THE THREE STORY APARTMENTS, WHICH KIND OF COMES DOWN FROM THE THREE AND FOUR STORY THAT ARE [01:40:01] EXISTING DOWN TO THE THREE, AND THEN DOWN TO THE TWO STORY THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY ON JV BACON IN DAYS OF ALLAH. UM, THE UNIT MIX RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 65% SINGLE FAMILY. AND THEN THE REMAINDER WOULD BE, UM, MOSTLY TWO BEDROOM, SORRY, NOT SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE UNIT. UM, THE REST WOULD BE, UH, MOSTLY TWO BEDROOM AND THEN A COUPLE OF THREE BEDROOMS. UH, ONE CONCERN WE HAVE, WE HAVE HEARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IS ABOUT QUALITY OF PRODUCT. UM, CASEY DEVELOPMENT IS A LOCAL DEVELOPER WHO, UM, HAS VERY NICE PRODUCTS. SO WE KNOW THAT, THAT THAT WILL BE THE CASE HERE. UM, LEMME JUST KEEP GOING. UH, ONE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS SITE THAT I DO WANNA MENTION THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING FARMHOUSE. UH, THIS IS PART OF THE OLD STUBING RANCH, STUBING FARM, AND, AND THIS STRUCTURE WAS LEFT. SO, UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING THIS SITE, GOSH, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF INITIAL MEETINGS WAS THIS STRUCTURE WAS NOMINATED, UH, AS HISTORIC. SO, UM, WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GOING TO H D R C, UH, WE WENT TO COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY COUNCIL DIDN'T SUPPORT THE DESIGNATION. UM, HOWEVER WE DID HEAR IN THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WAS IMPORTANCE PLACED ON MAINTAINING THE STRUCTURE AND KEEPING IT THERE. SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DESIGNATED, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CASEY HAS COMMITTED TO DOING IS, IS PRESERVING THAT FARMHOUSE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER HERE. IT'S ON, ON JV BACON CURRENTLY. UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN? I'M SORRY, SORRY. AND, AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT IT'S HERE ON THE SITE, UH, AND THEN THERE'S SOME NICE TREES THAT SURROUND IT THAT WOULD BE PRESERVED AS WELL. UM, I CAN, SORRY, SKIP ONE MORE. YEAH. OKAY. UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD IS TRAFFIC, TOO MUCH TRAFFIC IN THE AREA, TOO MUCH EXISTING. UH, WE WOULD PREFER COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT'S LESS TRAFFIC. UM, BASED ON OUR REVIEW, UH, WORKING WITH PAP DAWSON ENGINEERS, ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE, UM, JUST BASED ON NATIONAL TRAFFIC COUNTS WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TRAFFIC THAN MULTIFAMILY. UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS USE IS, UM, IN LESSER INTENSITY. TRIPS ARE SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY. UM, AND, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE JUST BASED ON IF IT WAS JUST A BA TYPICAL SHOPPING CENTER, WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TRAFFIC. UM, ALSO AS I POINTED OUT IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL TENDS TO DEMAND MORE CURB CUTS, UM, IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. AND HERE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE EXISTING ROADS AND THE EXISTING, UM, CURB CUTS THAT EXIST, ONE ON JV BACON AND ONE ON DAYS OF OLA. I THINK I'LL, I'LL END THERE. UM, HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND HOPE THAT YOU'LL SUPPORT, UH, THE REQUEST FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. THANK YOU ASHLEY. NOW WE ARE READY FOR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. MS. COLLEEN, FIRST AND LAST NAME, ADDRESS. AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES MA'AM. I KNOW Y'ALL ALREADY HAD A LONG MEETING, BUT AREN'T THE ONES WHO CALLED IN UH, COMMENTS ALLOWED TO BE HEARD? YES, WE HAVE AFTER YOUR COMMENTS, WE HAVE FOUR VOICEMAILS. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UH, COLLEEN WAPAC, 1603 TARTAN LANE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF NORTHSIDE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR ORGANIZED DEVELOPMENT TO ASK THAT YOU DENY THE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE 6,400 BLOCK OF DAYS OF ALLAH. I SERVED ON THE SA TOMORROW U T S A PLANNING TEAM, WHICH BROUGHT TOGETHER REPRESENTATIVES FROM AREA EMPLOYERS, U T S A, HOMEOWNERS AND COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION SAWS AND ATTORNEYS REP, UH, SPECIALIZING IN LAND USE. THE GOAL OF THE TEAM WAS TO OBTAIN INPUT AND WORK TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY THE EXISTING POTENTIAL CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE PLAN AREA AND TO FORM A PLAN, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH RESPECTS THE RIGHTS OF OWNERS, PRESERVES THE UNIQUE CARRIAGE AND CULTURE OF THE AREA, AND GUIDES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. ULTIMATELY, THE TEAM REACHED CONSENSUS ON A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND OTHER PLANNING ELEMENTS TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT. THE AREA OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED ON PAGE 16 OF THE ADOPTED PLAN, REFLECTING THE SPECIAL CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THIS AREA, QUOTING THAT SECTION OF THE PLAN LAND AT THE INTERSECTION OF J Z V BACON AND A ZAVALA HAS BEEN DESIGNATED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS OTHER MISCELLANEOUS PARCELS WITHIN THE PLAN AREA. THE U T S A PLAN REVEALS THAT COMPOSITION OF HOUSING STOCK IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE REGION. ONLY 40% OF THE HOUSING UNITS ARE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES COMPARED TO 64% IN THE CITY. THE AREA NEEDS THE GROWTH OF COMMERCIAL SERVICES TO SUPPORT THE MORE DENSE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THIS AREA. THE [01:45:01] DESIGNATED 3,400 ACRES FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE PLAN CAN EASILY ACCOMMODATE THE FORECASTED 16,000 TO 35,000 GROWTH IN NEW UNITS BY 2040. THE PLANNING TEAM ANALYZED APPROPRIATE LAND USE FOR PROPERTIES IN THE AREA IN A MANNER THAT ALLOWS FOR DEVELOPMENT BASED ON EXISTING AND FUTURE IN INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND THE OVERALL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. DENIAL OF THE PLAN WILL NOT TAKE AWAY ANY OF THE RIGHTS OF THE LANDOWNER. PLEASE RESPECT THE COMMUNITY'S NEED TO BE ABLE TO REPLY, RELY ON PLANNING PROCESS. THAT'S MINUTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY, NOW WE HAVE FOUR VOICEMAILS TO BE PLAYED. MY NAME IS CHESTER A ZA 1 22 23 STABLE FORK DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 9 2 1 0 4 6 4 1 0 9 1. I'M CALLING REGARDING PA 20 21 1 1 6 0 0 0 6 7. I AM DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO THIS. I BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL CAUSE UNDUE HARDSHIPS ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LOWER PROPERTY VALUES NOT PROVIDE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR CITIZENS. AND I WILL VOTE FOR NO ONE WHO SUPPORTS THIS. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS ERIC NEWMAN. I LIVE AT 6 9 1 4 SPRING GARDEN. I'M CALLING ABOUT CASE NUMBER PA 2 MILLION 21 1 1 6 0 0 6 7. THIS IS THE PROPERTY ON JV BACON AND DAYS OF, AND I AM OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST AND I WANTED TO GIVE A FEW REASONS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, TRAFFIC. UM, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT WERE PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER THAT ARE BASED ON A RADIUS FROM THE PROPERTY. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT PEOPLE DRIVE IN STRAIGHT LINES, NOT CIRCLES. UM, THE PROP, THE, THE STUDIES ARE DONE ON GENERIC INFORMATION AND NOT THE SPECIFIC LOCATION. AND IN THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, WE'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT, UM, ADDING, UH, RESIDENTIAL SPACE, UM, IN THIS KIND OF DENSITY IS GONNA MAKE THE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA EVEN WORSE. AND WE ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER 750 APARTMENTS THAT ARE APPROVED IN THIS AREA. SO TRAFFIC DEFINITELY, UH, GIVES THE ARGUMENT TO DENY THIS ZONING CHANGE. UM, ALSO YOU CAN LOOK AT THE SPE TOMORROW PLAN, WHICH SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THIS PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE RESERVED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO REDUCE TRAFFIC IN THE FUTURE. THE NEXT THING IS, I WOULD NOTE THAT WE HAVE HAD NO CONTACT FROM THE DEVELOPER ABOUT THIS WITH THE COMMUNITY. UH, THEY HAVE NOT HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING LIKE THEY DID THE FIRST TIME THEY TRIED TO DO THIS, AND NOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY TRYING FOR HIGHER DENSITY THAN BEFORE. AND THE LAST TIME OUR CITY COUNCILMAN, UM, OPPOSED THIS AND TOLD THEM HE WAS OPPOSED. AND HE HAS PROMISED US THAT HE WOULD NOT SUPPORT ANY ZONING CHANGE LIKE THIS IN OUR AREA. AND SO THEY BACKED DOWN LAST TIME. THIS TIME I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY THINK, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT MANNY IS STILL GOING TO OPPOSE THIS. HI, MY NAME IS SARAH CARUSO AND I LIVE AT 1 2 3 5 0 MAPLE TREE STREET. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE PLANNING CASE NUMBER PA 2 0 2 1 1 1 6 0 0 0 6 7. AND I'M REPRESENTING THE 800 HOMES IN TANGLEWOOD AS THE INCOMING PRESIDENT OF THE TANGLEWOOD RESIDENT ASSOCIATION, WE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS RESERVING REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS ARE ALREADY OVERWHELMED AS WE SEE IN THE NEWS HOW TEACHERS ARE LEAVING THE INDUSTRY AND NOT ENOUGH NEW ONES ARE JOINING. THIS IS ASIDE FROM THE CRISIS THEY ARE FACING WITH TEACHERS BEING OUT DUE TO THE PANDEMIC. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE 750 APARTMENTS ON BACKPACK ROADS THAT ARE PENDING TO BE BUILT. 110 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON SPRINGTIME AND BACKPACK AND 300 APARTMENTS THAT ADVANCED TON DAYS DEVELOP PENDING. THAT WILL ALL ADD TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 1100 UNITS THAT WILL FILTER INTO OUR SMALL, OLDER WOR DOWN SCHOOLS. AND WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL ABOUT THE IMPACT OF ADDING ANOTHER 292 UNITS. WE'LL DO ON TOP OF THAT. DESPITE CASEY'S DEVELOPMENT'S ARGUMENT THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT DESIRABLE, WE ARE SEEING COMMERCIALS POPPING UP. IN FACT, THERE'S A DEVELOPER AT SPRINGTIME AT BACKPACK WHO IS HALF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD FROM THEM WORKING WITHIN THEIR CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONING TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO [01:50:01] THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LETTERS OF INTENT FOR OUR RESTAURANT AND COFFEE SHOPS. COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS BEGUN DOWN THE ROAD ON C**K AND AS WELL. THERE ARE BUILDERS IN THE AREA THAT ARE SWITCHING THEIR FOCUS FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT IS A GROWING DEMAND RIGHT NOW. THIS IS SUPPORTED BY AN ARTICLE IN THE EXPRESS NEWS THIS PAST MONTH, HOW EMPTY RETAIL SPACE IS FILLING UP. AND THE OCCUPANCY RATE IS AT 94% BECAUSE THERE IS LITTLE NEW RETAIL SPACE BEING BUILT. THE HIGHER OCCUPANCY DISPLAYS THE DEMAND FOR COMMERCIAL SPACES. TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE. AND WHILE THIS DEVELOPER WILL ARGUE THIS IS A REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC, IT'S BRINGING MORE PEOPLE TO THE AREA THAT IN ORDER TO COMMUTE TO THE ROAD FOR WORK, TO EACH, FOR RECREATION, AND TO USE OTHER SERVICES, CREATING HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIALS SUCH AS A QUALITY REST. MY NAME'S WILLIAM THOMAS. I'M CALLING ABOUT CASE NUMBER P A TWO ZERO TWO ONE ONE ONE SIX ZERO ZERO ZERO SIX SEVEN. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN EIGHT ZERO THREE EIGHT THREE SEVEN. MY ADDRESS IS 1 2 2 2 7 STABLE SQUARE DRIVE SAN ANTONIO IN THE OAKMONT BOUNDS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS ROAD FROM THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED RE-DESIGNATION OF LAND USE FOR THIS RE FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR THREE REASONS. NUMBER ONE, THE PROPERTY IS IN THE 6,400 BLOCK OF DELA ROAD AT ITS INTERSECTION WITH JB BACON PARKWAY. RE DESIGNATING THIS PARCEL FROM MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT NOT ONLY DE ROAD AND JD VACANT PARKWAY, BUT HAUSMAN ROAD TO THE NORTH AND BABCOCK ROAD TO THE SOUTH. ALL THESE STREETS ARE SECONDARY ARTERIALS AND ARE AT MAXIMUM WIDTH, THE RIGHT OF WAY. NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE NEW MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN ONE MILE TO THE SOUTH ON BADCOCK ROAD, WHICH WILL ADD ABOUT 900 MORE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO THIS AREA. THE CONTENTION BY THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS PARCEL THAT MORE MULTIFAMILY WILL BE THE BEST USE OF THIS LAND IS A FALSE ARGUMENT. AND NUMBER THREE, THIS PARCEL OF APPROXIMATELY 12 ACRES SITS DIRECTLY ON THE EDWARDS DRAINAGE ZONE. JUDGING BY THE PLANT SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER, ABOUT 70 TO 80% OF ITS LAND AREA WILL BE COVERED WITH IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, THUS REDUCING A SUBSTANTIAL SOURCE OF INFLOW INTO THE AQUIFER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. OKAY, UH, AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK, UH, MS. FAIRMONT IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR REBUTTAL. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, THE U T S A REGIONAL CENTER PLAN, I'M, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT AS WELL. IT HAS GOALS, UM, AND IN THE OBJECTIVE IS OF THOSE PLANS AND THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS IS A REGIONAL CENTER. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS AND I THINK THAT ADDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING AT THIS LOCATION WHEN THERE'S PLENTY OF VACANT COMMERCIAL SPACE STILL THERE, UM, AND THERE'S A REASON WHY THIS PROPERTY HASN'T DEVELOPED COMMERCIALLY YET. UM, BUT I THINK ADDING THAT HOUSING STOCK HELPS TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. SO, UM, I DON'T THINK THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED TO NEVER AMEND A LAND USE. I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT ALREADY BEFORE. UM, SO I THINK THE REQUEST IS REASONABLE AND I THINK THAT THE PROJECT IS THOUGHTFUL. UM, AND, AND I KNOW THERE'S AGAIN, CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DO THINK THAT THIS IS A LOWER TRAFFIC USER COMPARED TO A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ASHLEY. I'LL START ON MY LEFT WITH COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER ORIAN. UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT I, I GREW UP IN THIS AREA. I USED TO LIVE IN TANGLEWOOD AND I REMEMBER WHEN DAYS OF VALLA WAS A LITTLE ONE LANE EACH WAY AND IT WAS NOTHING. AND, AND JUST WATCHING IT GROW AND DEVELOP, UH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE DAYS OF ALL AND JB BACON ARE BOTH, UM, ARTERIALS AND THEY CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC. UH, AND THEY WOULDN'T, I KNOW STAFF WILL BE REVIEWING THIS AND SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS AT ALL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. I WILL SPARE EVERYONE MY GROWING UP ALONG SINGLE LANE DAYS OF ALL ROAD STORIES, BUT, UH, I THINK I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ORION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GARCIA. UM, ONE, I DIDN'T, I DID NOT GROW UP IN THAT AREA. I GREW UP IN THE EDGEWOOD AREA. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF REGARDING THE LAND USAGE CATEGORY. IS THE, THE, I GUESS THEY'RE GOING FOR, UM, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT CONSIDERED LESS INTENSE THAN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ONLY ALLOWS, UH, DISTRICTS THAT HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES. [01:55:01] UM, AND THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ALLOWS A, A RANGE OF OFFICE TO COMMERCIAL, UH, TO SOME MIXED, UH, USE DISTRICTS. SO, UM, THE INTENSITY IS MORE ON THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SIDE BECAUSE OF THE USES THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT VERSUS THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND ONLY ALLOWANCE SOME OF RESIDENTIAL USES. OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE APPARENT, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE ONE SET OF GOALS ABOUT HOUSING AND DOING THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT HERE IN THE PLAN, IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT THIS SPOT WAS DESIGNATED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. SO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CHANGE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A, A CONFLICT THERE. SO CAN, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, TO THAT OR HOW THE PROCESS IS TO DECIDE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL? SO WHEN PLANS ARE ADOPTED, SOMETIMES UH, THESE PROPERTIES ARE NOT READY TO PROCEED WITH A TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO THEY MOVE FORWARD THROUGH A, A PUBLIC PROCESS, GET DESIGNATED A LAND USE BECAUSE THAT'S THE DESIRE THAT, UH, THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE. WE ALL KNOW THAT THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME, AND IN THIS CASE, THIS PROPERTY IS NOW COMING IN WITH A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE STEPS. AND ONE OF THE STEPS THAT WE ALLOW IS AN AMENDMENT TO A PLAN BECAUSE AGAIN, WE RECOGNIZE THAT CHANGE HAPPENS. AND SO AGAIN, THAT THAT PROCESS IS PUBLIC, IT ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY TO WEIGH IN. UM, AND IN THIS CASE, THAT'S WHAT THIS PROCESS IS ABOUT. OKAY. I ALWAYS WONDER IF YOU COULD, IF SOMEONE JUST COULD JUST SPEAK TO WHY THIS, UH, MET THE, MET THE, THE SA TOMORROW GOALS DEFINED HERE. I GUESS IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING THAT WAS PROVIDED. SURE. SO, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, UH, SAYS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 13 ACRES. UM, THE, IT LESSENS THE INTENSITY OF THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ALLOWS MORE, UH, SOME MEDIUM DENSITY OPTIONS IN ADDITION TO THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT. UH, SO IT DOES INCREASE MORE, UH, HOUSING OPTIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT'S READY TO PROCEED FORWARD, UH, WITH, UH, A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. THANK YOU. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, INITIATIVES, HOW MANY MEETINGS YOU HAD AND WHAT, UH, CONCESSIONS, IF ANY, WERE MADE? UH, SURE. SO, UM, WE DID HAVE A MEETING A, A VERY LONG TIME AGO INITIALLY, UM, WITH OPPOSITION TO MULTIFAMILY AND, AND, AND THAT ACTUALLY HAD SOME COMMERCIAL AS WELL. UH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE, WE LEARNED ABOUT THE BARN AND THEN PROGRESSED FROM THERE. UM, WE HAD TALKED WITH SOME REPRESENTATIVES OF NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT THE PLAN AND PRESERVATION OF THE BARN, AND THEN WE HEARD FROM OTHERS. UM, AND WE HAD A MEETING ACTUALLY MONDAY EVENING WITH SOME NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CLOSE BY AND SOME NEIGHBORS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY, UH, SHOWING THE PLAN. SO, UM, BASED ON THAT MEETING, I MEAN, WE WERE ASKED IF WE COULD ADD COMMERCIAL OR WE COULD DO COMMERCIAL. UH, AND THE RESPONSE TO THAT WAS, WAS NO, WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A MARKET THERE FOR IT. UM, WE THINK THIS PLAN ACTUALLY DOES COMPROMISE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE ARE PRESERVING THAT BARN. AND INITIALLY WE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT, DIDN'T SEE THE NEED TO DO THAT. UM, SO, SO THERE HAVE BEEN REQUESTS FOR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE CHANGES, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO. OKAY. UH, CAN YOU PLEASE, SO YOU'VE HAD A COUPLE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD TWO MEETINGS. WHEN WAS THE LAST MEETING AGAIN? WE HAD, UH, ONE A LONG TIME AGO, AND THEN WE HAD ONE MONDAY EVENING. OKAY. MONDAY. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SEE, THAT THERE WASN'T BUT'S, SOME COMMUNICATIONS ELSE, NOT NECESSARILY MEETINGS, BUT OTHER COMMUNICATIONS. OKAY. AND THEN IN, IN YOUR ANALYSIS, THERE WAS NOT, UH, A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION WOULD NOT FIT? NO. AND, AND, AND ORI WITH CASEY MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THAT, BUT, BUT THEY'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, UH, AND, AND TRIED TO MARKET IT AND DEVELOP IT COMMERCIALLY AND, AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED. OKAY. UM, AND THEN OTHER THAN THE BARN, WAS THERE ANY OTHER CONCESSIONS MADE FOR THE COMMUNITY? ANY SETBACKS OR LAWS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE? UM, NO. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ADJACENT TO ANY SINGLE FAMILY, SO IT, IT WAS JUST REALLY AN OPPOSITION TO MULTIFAMILY IN, IN GENERAL. UM, WE THINK THE TOWN HOMES ALONG JV, BACON AND DAYS OF ALL ARE CONCESSION. THEY'RE ONLY TWO STORY. UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BIGGER UNITS. THEY PROVIDE KIND OF THAT MORE, I DON'T WANNA SAY URBAN 'CAUSE IT'S NOT SUPER URBAN, BUT KIND OF THAT MORE STREET FEEL, UM, WHERE WE'RE NOT PUTTING, YOU KNOW, THOSE THREE AND FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEHIND THE PROPERTY RIGHT UP ON THE STREET OR PARKING RIGHT UP ON THE STREET. IT'S THAT KIND OF URBAN TWO STORY. UM, SO THAT WE THINK IS A CONCESSION. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, PROFIT. THANK YOU. I I DON'T HAVE ANY PERSONAL, UH, ATTACHMENT. TODAY'S OF ALL, LIKE THE REST OF MY COMMISSIONERS . SO I THINK I CAN MAKE AN OBJECTIVE OPINION ON THIS. BUT, UH, FOR STAFF, FOR CLARITY DAYS OF ALL J [02:00:01] V BACON, WHAT WOULD THEY BE CONSIDERED AS FAR AS ROADWAYS, ARTERIAL, MAJOR ARTERIAL SECONDARY, SECONDARY ARTERIALS. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I KNOW TRAFFIC HAS BEEN A POINT OF CONTENTION THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS, A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OF ANY PERFORMED BY THE APPLICANT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IF, UM, THE P R TRIPS, UH, REACH THE CAPACITY FOR T I A, THEN THAT IS TYPICALLY DONE DURING THE NEXT STEP OF THE PROCESS, WHICH IS THE PLATT OR BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. AND ASHLEY, ONE QUESTION. UH, ONE OF THE CALLERS MENTIONED MAYBE SOME OPPOSITION FROM DISTRICT EIGHT. WHAT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THEIR SUPPORT OR NON OPPOSITION? WE'VE KEPT DISTRICT EIGHT INFORMED. UM, THEY'VE SEEN THE SITE PLAN, THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT THE PROCESS. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO, TO WEIGH IN ON THEIR OPINIONS ON IT. UM, AND, AND FRANKLY, I, I I CAN'T DO THAT. BUT, UM, WE HAVE BEEN KEEPING THEM POSTED ON WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING. UM, YOU KNOW, I AGREE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY, IF THERE WAS A, A APPETITE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN DEVELOPED ALREADY. AND, UH, AGAIN, I'M, I'M A STRONG PROPONENT OF, OF QUALITY, UH, UM, HOUSING IS DEF DESPERATELY NEEDED. UH, THIS IS MARKET RATE, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, SO I, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GARCIA. I DO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND I HAD NOT HEARD OF ANY MEETINGS, SO, AND WE WERE VERY ACTIVE, SO I'M CONCERNED. UH, BUT WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF HOUSING, ESPECIALLY JUST WEST OF THIS SITE AND SOUTH OF THIS SITE. THERE'S A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY AND, UH, HOUSING THERE. UM, MY CONCERN WAS ON THE TRAFFIC. I CAN'T BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS HERE, UH, THAT WERE, UH, GIVEN TO US BECAUSE IT, IT BECOMES VERY DANGEROUS. WE HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOL BUSES GOING THROUGH THE AREA IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON, AS WELL AS A LOT OF TRAFFIC. I HAD PERSONALLY INVOLVED WITH THE COUNCILMAN, UH, TWO COUNCILMEN BEFORE TO, UH, WIDEN, UH, DAYS OF OLIVE STREET BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE GETTING UPSET AND, UH, DUKING IT OUT IN THE STREET WHEN THE TRAFFIC WENT FROM ONE LANE TO TWO LANES OR TWO LANES TO ONE LANE. BUT NOW IT'S, IT'S VERY COMFORTABLE TO DRIVE THROUGH. SO I WOULD HATE TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC AS IT COMES FROM OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF GOING ON HOUSEMEN TO GET TO INTERSTATE 10, OR THEY COME ON DAYS OF OUR TO GET ON INTERSTATE TENT. SO THE TRAFFIC IS VERY BIG IN THE MORNINGS AND IN THE EVENINGS. I, I WOULD PREFER THE COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, UH, WOULD BE A BETTER FIX THAN, UH, MORE, UH, MULTIFAMILY. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER ZUKI, UH, NO FURTHER QUESTION FROM ME. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU ALL COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND THANK YOU, UM, MS. COLLEEN AND, UM, THE FOUR MEMBERS THAT, UM, PROVIDED VOICEMAILS FOR TODAY'S, UH, DISCUSSION. I, I AM IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS DOES FIT ON THIS HARD CORNER. UM, ALTHOUGH I DID NOT GROW UP IN THE AREA, I LIVED IN THE AREA FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND, UM, AND I SEE ON THE AERIALS ON GOOGLE, UH, THAT AT ONE POINT, AT LEAST WHAT THE SNAPSHOTS WERE ON HERE ON GOOGLE, THEY WERE MARKETING IT FOR COMMERCIAL. AND SO I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DUE DILIGENCE THAT, UM, THAT THEY TRIED, UM, YOU ALL TRIED. AND, UM, AND SO REGARDLESS IT'S A, A PRETTY BUSY ROAD. AND SO I PERSONALLY THINK AS FAR AS LAND USE, WHICH WE'RE HERE TODAY, THAT BOTH, UM, MULTI-USE AND COMMERCIAL DO WORK. AND SO, UM, MULTI-FAMILY, EXCUSE ME. AND SO, UM, IT'S A BUDDING AGAINST AN EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY AND THERE IS THAT BUFFER, UH, NEXT TO THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEARBY. UM, SO YES, I AM ALSO IN SUPPORT. UH, THAT BEING SAID, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE SECOND COMMISSIONER ORIAN MADE THE MOTION SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PROFIT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO DURING, DURING THE ANALYSIS WHEN A, UH, SOMEBODY HIRES YOU TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IS PART OF THAT TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE IS A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION THAT WOULD BE, UH, MORE LUCRATIVE FOR THEM? IS THAT PART OF THAT SO YOU CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OR IS IT SIMPLY THEY JUST SAY, HEY, I WANT APARTMENTS. SO THEN YOU LOOK AT APARTMENTS? UM, WELL, BY THE TIME THIS USUALLY COMES TO ME AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A LAND USE CHANGE, THEY'VE ALREADY EXPLORED LOOKING AT OPTIONS UNDER CURRENT ZONING. SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT [02:05:01] WHAT ORI AND, AND CASEY HAVE DONE FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW IS LOOKED AT HOW THEY COULD DEVELOP IT COMMERCIALLY. UM, AND SO THEN WHEN THEY COME TO ME AT THAT POINT, THEY'RE READY TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY. DOES THAT ANSWER? OKAY. THANK YOU. IF, IF IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANY COMMENTS TO ADD TO THAT, THEN THAT'D BE APPRECIATED. IF NOT, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CHRISTOPHER GARCIA. UM, ALTHOUGH THIS IS KIND OF CHALLENGING BECAUSE IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A CONFLICT, HOWEVER, IT APPEARS THAT THE COMMERCIAL APPLICATION, UH, IT, IT DIDN'T FIT. SO I'M GOING TO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI. APPROVED. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? NO. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER ORIAN? YES. MADAM CHAIR GONZALEZ? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. DO WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SPI MAKO ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE DOWNTOWN REGIONAL PLAN FROM NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE TO URBAN MIXED USE LOCATED AT 3 6 0 3 SOUTH FLORIS. THERE WERE 90, THERE WERE 24 NOTICES SENT OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSE. NO RESPONSE FROM LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE PROPOSED LAND USE AMENDMENT FROM NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE TO URBAN MIXED USE IS REQUESTED IN ORDER TO REASON THE PROPERTY TO C TWO C D COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTORS. THE URBAN MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION WILL INTRODUCE A MEDIUM LEVEL INTENSITY THAT IS INCONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE CLASSIFICATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE ALONG SOUTH FLO STREET NEIGHBORHOOD. MIXED USE PERMITS, LESS INTENSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF C ONE, WHICH IS MORE APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE RESIDENTIAL USE TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS TO NOW AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS? THE PRESENTATION? YES. PLEASE APPROACH FIRST AND LAST NAME, ADDRESS, AND YOU HAVE THE MIC, SIR. HI, MY NAME IS SERGIO CARRANO AND MY NAME IS ELIZABETH BANEZ. UH, WE TRY AND, UH, STATE YOUR ADDRESS. YOUR ADDRESS. ADDRESS. OH, THE ADDRESS IS 36 36 0 3 SOUTH FLORES. WE ARE PLANNING, UH, REBUILD, UH, ABANDONED BUILDING, COMMERCIAL BUILDING. WE TRY TO DO A COMMUNITY METAL RECYCLING BUSINESS, SMALL, AND WE NEED, UH, REONE BECAUSE IT'S COMMERCIAL AND UH, BUSINESS REQUIRING, UH, INDUSTRIAL. BUT OUR BUSINESS IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER RECYCLING BUSINESS. IT'S NOT A BIG RECYCLING BUSINESS. WE TRY TO BUY JUST, UH, SELECT METALS JUST LIKE COPPER, ALUMINUM, UH, STAINED STEEL, BRONZE, AND A SMALL QUANTITIES. AND EVERYTHING IS INSIDE THE BUILDING. WE DON'T HAVE MACHINES DO NOISE, BIG MACHINES. AND WE HAVE, UH, METAL OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. EVERYTHING IS INSIDE AND OUR BUSINESS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT GREEN. I HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE PLUMBING COMPANY. WE WANNA RECYCLING THE WATER FOR THE RAIN ON THE ROOF, THE RAIN HARVESTING. I HAVE THE CONTRACT ALREADY WITH THE COMPANY BECAUSE I LOVE THAT I'M RECYCLING AND I HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE ELECTRICAL COMPANY WITH ADVANCE $3,000 FOR SOLAR PANELS. I WANNA DO SOLAR PANELS IN MY BUSINESS. AND, UH, THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE. EVERYTHING IS INSIDE. [02:10:01] EVERYTHING IS INSIDE. WE DIDN'T BRING UP A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BUT UM, STAFF CAN DISPLAY IT. THANK YOU. OKAY? MM-HMM. OKAY. OKAY. THIS IS, THIS IS THE PARKING IN FRONT BY THE FLORE STREET. MM-HMM. AND THIS IS THE PARKING ON BAYER STREET. MM-HMM. . AND THIS IS THE PERSONAL ENTRY FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE EMPLOYEES. THIS IS THE PARKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE A SMALL REST AREA FOR TAKE A LUNCH HERE AND A GREEN AREA RIGHT HERE. GREEN AREA, A STORAGE RIGHT HERE FOR METALS, TOOLS, WHATEVER. AND THIS IS THE BACKYARD. ALL OF THIS IS A FENCE. IT'S ALREADY THERE, SIX FEET HIGH. AND THIS ONE IS ANOTHER FENCE. IT'S ALREADY THERE. THE PEOPLE ENTRY HERE, THIS IS THE WAY FOR THE METALS. THE WAY, THIS IS A SMALL MACHINE FOR THE, FOR THE ALUMINUM CANS. WE SEND THE ALUMINUM CANS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE TRAILER. THIS IS THE TRAILER FOR THE ALUMINUM CAN. IT'S INSIDE OF ANOTHER ROOM. IT'S INSIDE HERE IS A BIG DOOR. THIS, THIS TRAILER LOCK. GET OUT LIKE THIS. THEN WE HAVE A TABLE WORK FOR SEPARATE COPPER, BRONZE, EVERYTHING. WE HAVE THE BACK ROOMS HERE. ALL OF THIS IS CONTAINERS. WE SEPARATE EVERYTHING. AND THIS IS THE EXIT FOR ANOTHER TRAILER, FOR THE, FOR THE METALS. AND THIS IS THE OFFICE. IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S A SMALL BUSINESS. IT'S NOT A BIG RECYCLING. WE DON'T BUY METALS LIKE, UH, CARS, UH, REFRIGERATORS, DRYERS, UH, WASHER MACHINE. NO, JUST THE LITTLE THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN THE HOUSES. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A LITTLE ALUMINUM CONTAINER, A SMALL WINDOW UNIT, COPPER. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THAT ONE IN THE HOUSE AND BUY THAT ONE. NOT BIG, BIG THINGS. NO COMMERCIALS, TRUCKS, TRAFFIC AROUND ME OR BIG COMPANIES. JUST PARTICULAR CARS WITH THE SMALL THINGS THAT, THAT IS MY BUSINESS. AND THE OTHER THING I TRY TO DO, BUT I NEED TO CHECK WITH THE CITY. I WANNA HAVE PICKUP SERVICE, PICKUP SERVICE ONLY FOR THREE FOR VETERANS, FOR SENIORS OR DISABILITY. IF YOU LIVE IN TWO MILES AROUND ME, I HAVE A VAN AND I CAN GO TO YOUR HOUSE, BUT YOU NEED TO SHOW ME YOUR ID. YOU NEED TO PROVE ME THAT YOU ARE VETERAN, UH, SENIOR CITIZEN AND AND DISABILITY. AND I CAN GO PICK YOU UP, BRING IT TO MY BUSINESS AND PAY YOUR, YOUR MEDALS. AND I SEND IT TO YOU BACK TO HOUSE. I, I TRY TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE CITY GIMME A PERMIT, BUT, UH, I WANNA DO IT AND I WANNA BE PART FOR PART OF THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T WANNA BE A BIG, BIG COMPANY. I JUST [02:15:01] WANNA BE A SMALL RECYCLING COMMUNITY BUSINESS. JUST SELECT METALS, NOTHING, NO NOISE AND NO TRASH. EVERYTHING IS LIKE A CHOP IS LIKE A CHOP. YES. AND EVERYTHING WILL BE GREEN. SO WE DON'T PLAN TO USE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE PLAN TO RECYCLE OUR WATER AND USE SOLAR PANELS. SO I THINK THAT'S A BENEFIT. AND, UH, IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, I THINK. SO WE'RE PLANNING TO REFURBISH THIS OLD, UH, COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN ABANDONED AND IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF T L C. SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO, UH, BRING TO THAT, UH, PART OF THE TOWN. THANK YOU. AND FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL? ELIZABETH SANZ. AND IT'S, UH, 1247 MCKINLEY AVENUE. THANK YOU, SERGIO. OH NO, GOT YOURS. OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO, THAT IS IT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WILL START, I WILL START ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER ZUKI QUESTION TO THE STAFF. UH, DOES THE, UH, BUSINESS PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH THE CURRENT, UH, ZONING FOR THIS LOCATION? NO, IT DOES NOT. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO REQUEST A REZONING BECAUSE IT'S A MORE INTENSE, UH, USE. SO IT REQUIRES A, A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT THAT ZONING DISTRICT NEEDS, UM, A LAND USE THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT LAND. USE THE WORD INTENTS. IS IT IN TERMS OF THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS OR THE NUMBER OF THE OCCUPANTS THAT WILL GONNA BE WITHIN THE BUSINESS? IT, IT'S, IT'S BOTH. I MEAN, THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS AND REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THEY DO. UH, YOU WOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL BUSINESS DOES BECAUSE THEY COULD SELL IT LATER. AND IT HAS THE ZONING FOR A, A CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR FACILITY. ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR FACILITY COULD GO IN THERE AND THEY MAY NOT BE AS GOOD NEIGHBORS AS THEY ARE. UH, SO, UH, THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF LAND AND THE, AND THE BUILDING, UM, RESTRICTS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE INTENSITY OF THE USE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GARCIA. UM, NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER PROFIT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE USE WAS OF THIS BUILDING BEFORE WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT OR HOW LONG IT'S BEEN VACANT? UH, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR LIKE 10 PLUS YEARS. I THINK BEFORE THAT IT WAS A WASHATERIA, BUT IT'S, IT'S BEEN ABANDONED. IT'S ABANDONED. IT'S A, IT'S, LEMME SHOW YOU. WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF, WE WANNA TRANSFORM THE CURRENT STATE, THAT ONE, BECAUSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEAUTIFUL. IT IS, IT IS AROUND, THERE IS A CHURCH AND A SCHOOL, SO WE, WE WANNA TRANSFORM. BEAUTIFUL. NOT A BIG TRUCKS, NOTHING. NO, NO MOUNTAINS OF METAL, NO, NOTHING OF THAT. EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE DONE ON A SMALL SCALE. SO WE'RE, WE DON'T PLAN TO DO LIKE OTHER RECYCLING BUSINESSES WHERE WE KNOW IT'S INTENSES AND IT'S GOT, THAT IS PILES. THAT IS A BANDIT RIGHT NOW. UM, IT'S, IT'S, AND EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE ENCLOSED, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DISTRACTIONS TO THE NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. SO WHEN YOU, HOW LONG, WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE THE PROPERTY? UH, UH, WE SIGNED LIKE, UH, THREE MONTHS AGO. MM-HMM. , WE SIGNED THREE MONTHS AGO. AND, AND IT'S BEEN YOUR INTENTION TO DO THIS RECYCLING BUSINESS FROM THE BEGINNING? YES. UHHUH . BUT, UH, BUT BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT, YOU DIDN'T DO ANY DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE WHAT THE ZONING OR POSSIBLE, UH, REPERCUSSIONS WOULD BE TO PUT THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS HERE. DID YOU DISCUSS WITH ANYBODY, UM, TALK TO THE CITY AT ALL? WE DID. WE DIDN'T. UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE SAW THE OPPORTUNITY, SO, UH, WE WENT AHEAD AND BROUGHT IT TO YOU GUYS, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED. AND THAT IS IT. I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S CURRENTLY C THREE, THERE'S A LOT OF C THREE AROUND IT. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT THE ZONING COMMISSION AND YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE YOUR CASE WITH THEM. RIGHT. A FUTURE MEETING FROM A LAND USE. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S POSITION, BUT I MEAN, IT'S UH, SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN THIS PROPERTY. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE MAYBE BEEN IN TALKS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LIVE IN THE AREA OR WE DON'T. WE DON'T. WE, WE LIVE IN NOT TOO FAR THERE. NOT TOO FAR. NOT TOO FAR THERE. MM-HMM. . BUT IT SEEMS, IS THERE A SENSE OF SUPPORT FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING? YES. SO, UM, [02:20:02] I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S A SITUATION WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING IN, YOU MAY NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROCESS AND, AND, AND I WISH THERE WERE SOME OTHER AVENUES FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO REACH OUT. AND I'M SURE THE CITY WOULD BE AMICABLE TO DISCUSS WITH FOLKS ABOUT WHAT THE, UH, LAND, CURRENT LAND USES ARE, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT CHANGES ARE NECESSARY TO DO YOUR BUSINESS. UM, BUT IN, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, I THINK I, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT I'M GONNA RESERVE MY FINAL COMMENTS TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF MY COMMISSIONERS. SO, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GARCIA. YES. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE COLLECTING ITEMS AND THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE DISASSEMBLING THEM INSIDE, RIGHT? SO THAT YOU CAN SEND THE COP WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO AND DO THAT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, AND IT'S NOT AN INTENSE USE, IT'S, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE STUFF OUTSIDE LIKE A, LIKE VEHICLE OR ABSOLUTELY NOT. THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL TO DO THAT. NOTHING OUTSIDE, SIR. NOTHING OUTSIDE. EVERYTHING INSIDE. AND SO MY QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN, I THINK THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN ASKED, BUT BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE COLLECTING AND DISASSEMBLING THAT QUALIFIES FOR THAT CONDITIONAL USE AS A CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT CD. IS THAT WHAT'S, WHAT'S DRIVING IT BASED ON THE DESCRIPTION OF THEIR USE? THAT'S WHAT, UH, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE. IT REQUIRES THAT KIND OF ZONING. AND SO AGAIN, IT'S BECAUSE THE, THE C TWO IS THE BASE. YOU HAVE TO START WITH THAT. AND, AND IT REQUIRES THE URBAN MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY BECAUSE, 'CAUSE THE, I THINK IT'S CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW ZONED TO C THREE, CORRECT? YES. BUT THE, THE, THE TRADES CONTRACTOR FACILITY IS NOT A PERMITTED USE BY RIDE IN C THREE. OH, OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO DO THE C TWO AND CHANGE IT, WHICH IS WHICH TRIGGERING THE, THE URBAN MIXED USE VERSUS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. BECAUSE IF THEY, IF THEY KEPT THE BASE OF C THREE AND A AND ONLY DID THE SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE TRADES CONTRACTOR FACILITY, THEY NEED A MORE INTENSE LAND USE. OKAY. UM, AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE URBAN MIXED USE, WHICH THEY'RE ASKING FOR, AND THEN THERE'S, IT'S JUST MIXED USE, WHICH I GUESS IS THE OLDER CATEGORY, UM, ACROSS BEYOND THEO. YEAH. I THINK THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT PLANS. THAT'S WHY. SO, UM, THIS IS IN THE AREA OF THE, OF THE DOWNTOWN PLAN. SO THE OTHER, THE OTHER PLANS HAVE A DIFFERENT MIXED USE CATEGORY. SO OUR MIXED USE CATEGORIES IN THE CATEGORIES IN THE NEW SA TOMORROW PLANS ARE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, REGIONAL MIXED USE, URBAN MIXED USE. UH, THOSE ARE THE MIXED USE CATEGORIES NOW. OKAY. SO THOSE ZONE, SO THEN THE ZONING CATEGORIES UNDER URBAN MIXED USE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY MATCH WHAT'S AVAILABLE UNDER THE MIXED USE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. UH, THAT'S IT FOR MY COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER BUS. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR STAFF TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS. UM, THIS IS ON A BORDER BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT PLANS. IS THAT FAIR? YES. SO THIS IS, THIS IS ON ONE EXTREME OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA PLAN? YES. OKAY. AND IS IT FAIR TO CHARACTERIZE THE NEIGHBORING PLAN AS LESS INTENSE EVEN THAN THE DOWNTOWN AREA PLAN? OR IS THAT TOO, TOO, TOO DIFFICULT TO CHARACTERIZE? I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP WHAT PLAN IT IS AND WHAT THE, THE ZONING DISTRICTS ARE ALLOWED IN THAT MIXED USE TO DETERMINE. 'CAUSE SOME OF THOSE MIXED USE, UH, CATEGORIES COULD ALLOW FOR MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAN OTHERS. AND, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE OLDER PLANS. EACH PLAN, THE OLDER PLANS HAVE THEIR OWN DESIGNATION IN THEIR OWN DISTRICTS. SO THEY'RE UNIQUE, SO THEY'RE NOT SIMILAR ACROSS THE BOARD. UM, ALRIGHT. NOW, TRYING NOT TO GET INTO ZONING, TRYING TO KEEP LAND USE HAT ON, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTORS USE, WHAT WOULD THAT INCLUDE? TYPICALLY WE SEE, UH, LIKE YOUR ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS OR YOUR H V A C CONTRACTORS, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS WHERE THEY MAY HAVE, UH, PARTS STORED. UH, THEY MAY REPAIR PARTS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE CALLING FOR YOUR AC REPAIRMAN. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE USE THAT IT IS. AND SO THEY HAVE ALL OF THE PARTS, COMPONENTS, TRUCKS AND EMPLOYEES THAT ARE AT THAT SITE. AND THEN THEY, UH, TRAVEL TO THE DESTINATION TO GO FIX THE PART. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, SO FIRST, MR. KO AND YES, MS. BANEZ, UM, I THINK IT'S GREAT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO HERE. I THINK YOUR PLAN HAS BEEN FANTASTIC. HOWEVER, AND THIS IS THE PART THAT I HATE, UM, GIVEN THE PLANNED USE ALONG FLORIDA'S HERE, AND YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG FLORES ARE ZONES C THREE AND MORE INTENSE USES [02:25:01] FREQUENTLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM, THE USE THAT'S BEING MADE RIGHT NOW IS NOT THAT INTENSE USE. UM, SO GIVEN THAT, AND GIVEN THAT THE PLAN IS LOOKING FOR A LESS INTENSE USE, I JUST DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT YOUR PROJECT, UH, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THE STAFF HAS IT RIGHT HERE, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF YOU AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR PROJECT. UH, BUT BECAUSE AS STAFF POINTED OUT IN ANSWERING A PREVIOUS QUESTION, UM, YOU COULD SELL THIS PROPERTY ONCE YOU GET YOUR ZONING, ONCE YOU GET YOUR PLAN USE, AND IT COULD BE A MUCH MORE INTENSE USE AND THERE WOULDN'T BE THE GOOD BUSINESS PEOPLE AND GOOD NEIGHBORS THAT YOU ARE. UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY I'M GOING TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN THIS CASE. THANK YOU. NOTHING FURTHER. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER OREN? YES. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO THIS IS IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL COMMUNITY PLAN, CORRECT. AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THAT PLAYS INTO THIS? SO THAT'S THE PLAN THAT'S TO THE SOUTH OF THIS. SO THIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN REGIONAL PLAN. SO LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT YEAH, YOU'RE LOOKING ONLINE, NOT NECESSARILY TOMORROW, BUT THE YEAH, BUT IT SAYS SOUTH CENTRAL. SO IT USED TO BE, SO WHEN, WHEN THE NEWER PLANS ARE GETTING ADOPTED, THEY ARE, UH, REPLACING THE AREAS THAT WERE UNDER OLDER PLANS. OKAY. UH, I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. NOW THE SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, ON YOUR STAFF REPORT, YOU LIST THAT THE CURRENT DESIGNATION ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM OF C ONE. WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR WOULD ALLOW UP TO A C TWO. UH, AND SO WHEN I, I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND I SEE A, A, A WHOLE BUNCH OF C TWO AND C THREE UP AND DOWN THE SOUTH DOLORES CORRIDOR, ESPECIALLY TO THE NORTH, IT, I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS MORE OF AN ISSUE FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION THAN, THAN FOR US. I MEAN, I THINK BY US APPROVING THIS, WE'RE GETTING IT CLOSER TO WHAT IS REPRESENTED BY THE ZONING UP THAT SOUTH FLORES CORRIDOR. AND, AND, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST TALK ABOUT, SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL REALLY GO TOWARDS THE ZONING COMMISSION AND NOT REALLY TOWARDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION? WELL, SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT'S ADOPTED FOR THE AREA. UM, SOMETIMES THE OLDER PLANS, LIKE THE PREVIOUS SOUTH CENTRAL COMMUNITY PLAN, UH, MAY HAVE BEEN ADOPTED WITH NO IMPLEMENTATION EFFORT FOR REZONING. SO, UH, MAYBE THESE PROPERTIES HAVE NOT BENEFITED FROM THE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PLAN AND ALIGNED THE ZONING WITH THE, WITH THE LAND USE. UH, NOW YOU HAVE THE DOWNTOWN REGIONAL PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED. THEY'RE FOLLOWING UP WITH, UH, REZONINGS, UH, OF PROPERTIES TO AL ALIGN, ALIGN THOSE, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS WITH, UH, THE LAND USE. UH, SO EVEN THOUGH THE ZONING MAY BE MORE INTENSE IN THIS AREA, THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT THE GOAL AND VISION OF, UH, IS WITH THE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED FOR THIS AREA. OKAY. AND THEN LAST QUESTION IS, IS STAFF PURSUING ANY SORT OF MASS ZONING CHANGES TO TRY TO MEET ANY OF THESE PLANS ON THESE MAJOR CORRIDORS? LIKE THEY, THEY DO IN SOME OTHER PARTS OF TOWN? THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE A TEAM. AS THEY ARE ADOPTING PLANS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT CERTAIN AREAS, UH, TO BRING FORWARD FOR, UH, REZONING. SO THERE, THERE IS THAT PROCESS. IT'S A VERY STRATEGIC PROCESS. IT'S NOT GONNA ENCAPSULATE THE ENTIRE PLANT AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UH, THANK YOU BOTH, UH, FOR BEING HERE TODAY. UM, I THINK THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER UNFORTUNATE EVENT. UM, MORE SO ON THE EDUCATION, UH, STANDPOINT WHEN PROPERTY IS PURCHASED. AND SO MY QUESTION REALLY IS, IS FOR STAFF. AND IF YOU CAN DIRECT ME, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE TIMES, UM, BUT I AM A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER. IN ORDER FOR ME TO QUALIFY AND MOVE FORWARD IN GETTING MY LOAN, I HAD TO TAKE A VERY, VERY LONG COURSE AND BEFORE I WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE MY HOME. UM, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ALREADY, UM, LOOKED INTO? AND IF NOT, WHO WOULD BE THE CORRECT APARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THAT WHEN, UM, PROPERTY, WHEN INDIVIDUALS PURCHASE PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST TIME PROPERTY, UM, OWNERS BEFORE THEY DO SO, SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THINGS LIKE THIS, LIKE LAND USE ZONING, SOME OF THOSE MORE CONFUSING TERMS IN THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COULD LOOK AT WITH THEIR SMALL BUSINESS TEAM. UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE GONNA BE PROBABLY THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM THAT. AND THEY MAY HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TODAY, UH, UH, TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST A, A MATTER OF PUBLICIZING IT. BUT, UH, THAT IS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT E D D COULD LOOK AT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I APPRECIATE THE COMPREHENSIVE QUESTIONS, UM, FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. AND SO AS A SMALL LOCAL MINORITY OWNER, UH, LID, SUSTAINABLE FEATURES ARE USUALLY NOT AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. AND I SEE THAT YOU INCORPORATED THAT IN YOUR PLAN. UM, THEY'RE NOT AT THE TOP, UH, USUALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPENSIVE AND THEY ADD DOLLARS. AND SO THE FACT THAT YOU ALL DID SO, UM, IN YOUR SITE PLAN AND THEN OF COURSE THE ENTIRE GREEN PROJECT, UM, THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO, [02:30:01] UM, WHAT TYPE OF, TYPE OF PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, THAT YOU ALL ARE. UH, BUT AGAIN, I DO SHARE THE SENTIMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE OF, OF, IT COULD BE ONE DAY, 5, 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW THAT YOU SELL THIS PROPERTY. AND WE MIGHT NOT HAVE, UM, SUCH COMMUNITY MEMBERS LIKE YOURSELF THAT ARE BUYING THIS PROJECT, UM, PROPERTY. AND THEY CAN, THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY NOW THAT YOU ALL, IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, UM, THE FLEXIBILITY IS A LOT MORE INTENSE. UM, SO THAT'S THE END OF MY COMMENTS. UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. CAN I ASK ONE LAST QUESTION THIS TIME? UM, SO ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S AN AUTO SERVICE SHOP. SO WHAT LAND USAGE CATEGORY WOULD THAT APPLY? WOULD, WOULD ALLOW FOR AN AUTO SERVICE SHOP? 'CAUSE I, I SEE THERE'S, SO AUTO, AUTO REPAIR TYPE, UH, AUTO REPAIR IS A USE THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHTED C THREE. THAT'S THE MOST INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. UM, YOU COULD CONDITION THAT DOWN, UH, TO A LESS INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND YOU'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS. BUT, UM, IF, IF IT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BY RIGHT DISTRICT, IT'S C THREE AGAIN, NOW IT'S MORE OF A, PROBABLY A REGIONAL MIXED USE CATEGORY IN THIS, IN THIS NEW VERSION, NEW LAND USE CATEGORIES. UM, OR THEY, AGAIN, YOU COULD REQUEST IT AS A C TWO CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO REPAIR. OKAY. AND THEN JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, SO WE SEE MIXED USE FOR THAT PLAN. THAT WAS, I THINK IT WAS A, ANOTHER PLAN, BUT THAT SOUTH CENTRAL COMMUNITY PLAN? YEAH, SOUTH CENTRAL. BUT THAT MIXED USE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY MATCH OTHER PLANS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, IS THAT CORRECT? OTHER, THE OLDER PLANS? THAT'S CORRECT. I WAS JUST LOOKING IT UP. SO, UM, THE MIXED USE, UH, CATEGORY, UH, WITH, UH, SOUTH CENTRAL IS ALMOST SIMILAR, UH, TO THIS, BUT IT DOES ALLOW, UH, SOME URBAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, UM, OFFICE DISTRICTS, UH, DOES ALLOW FOR SOME RESIDENTIAL USES AND IT ALLOWED ALL COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR C THREE. SO THEY'RE ALMOST SIMILAR IN NATURE, UM, WITH OUR, WITH THIS, UH, URBAN MIXED USE CATEGORY. UH, BUT NOT, NOT, NOT SIMILAR WHEN IT COMES TO THE RESIDENTIAL USES. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL? DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. UH, COMMISSIONER UH, CHRISTOPHER GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI? NO. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? NO. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER ORIAN? YES. MADAM CHAIR GONZALEZ? NO, THERE IS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 YESES AND TWO NOSS. THREE, THREE NOS. SO FIVE, FIVE PASSES. PASSES. SO PASSES. YEAH. OKAY. SO MOTION PASSES FOR DENIAL. OUR FINAL ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER NINE. STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS DENIAL. DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE TODAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SINA ZAKO, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS FOR APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION AMENDING THE NORTH SECTOR PLAN FROM SUBURBANS HERE TO GENERAL URBANS HERE LOCATED AT 1 1 0 0 4 1 SOUTH HOMAN ROAD. THERE WERE 11 NOTICES SENT OUT. ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO POSE AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE APPLICANT SEEKS A PLAN AMENDMENT TO GENERAL URBAN TIER TO REZONE TO MF 33 MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. THE GENERAL URBAN TIER IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE, WHICH IS LARGELY SUBURBAN TIER ALONG THE NORTHERN PORTION OF PRE ROAD. THE APPLICANT SEEKS GENERAL URBAN TIER TO BE PERMITTED TO CONSTRUCT A HIGHER DENSITY APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE EXISTING SUBURBAN TIER WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO REZONE TO MF 18 LIMITED DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD PERMIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A LOWER DENSITY APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE EXISTING LAND USE DESIGNATION OF SUBURBAN APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY AND WILL MAINTAIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. [02:35:04] WELCOME BACK. HI ME AGAIN. SORRY. UM, ASHLEY FAIRMONT KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMONT 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE. UM, THANK YOU. HAVE A PRESENTATION. I WILL. DO YOU HAVE THAT ONE? I DON'T. OKAY. SORRY. UM, SO THANK YOU. YEAH, SO, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL. UM, AND, AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU THE REASONS WHY WE THINK THEY SHOULDN'T. UM, BUT THE PROPERTY SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE IS ABOUT 1.27 ACRES AT THE CORNER OF, UM, SOUTH HAUSMAN AND PERU. SO HERE'S JUST KIND OF THE GENERAL AREA. IN CASE YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, SOUTH HAUSMAN RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH PERU ROAD. WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF BANDERA AND PERU. AND THEN HERE, UM, 1604 IN BANDERA, YOU KNOW, MAJOR INTERSECTION THERE. NEXT SLIDE. UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ON THIS PROJECT TO REALLY POINT OUT ALL OF THE SURROUNDING USES. UM, SO WE HAVE TO THE NORTH, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED C TWO AND MF 33, SO DEVELOPED UP TO MF 33, UH, WHICH IS THE ZONING AND THEN ASSOCIATED LAND USE THAT, THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. SO ALSO IN THIS AREA WE HAVE STORAGE UNIT, WE HAVE SCHOOL, WE HAVE LAWN MOWER, STORE SALES, RESTAURANT GAS STATION, OIL CHANGE. UM, AND THAT'S ALL ON THE SAME SIDE OF PRU WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE. UM, THERE'S WALGREENS, THERE'S ANOTHER MF 33 APARTMENT COMPLEX DOWN HERE, AND THEN A GARDEN CENTER. AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET IS WHERE YOU GET INTO, UM, SINGLE FAMILY, SORRY. UM, SO THIS WHOLE BLOCK IN THOSE USES I MENTIONED IT'S PART OF THE NORTH SECTOR ARE ARE DESIGNATED AS SUBURBAN TIER. BUT AS YOU SEE, ALL OF THOSE USES ARE ACTUALLY FIT WITHIN GENERAL URBAN TIER, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. SO THE C TWO, UM, FITS WITHIN GENERAL URBAN TIER. AND THEN THE SUBURBAN TIER ACTUALLY DOESN'T FIT WITH THE MULTIFAMILY THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US. SO THAT'S AN MF 33. UH, AND THAT'S INCONSISTENT ALREADY WITH THE SUBURBAN SUBURBAN TIER DESIGNATION. UH, AND THERE'S ALSO SOME INCONSISTENCIES ON THE, ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF PRU AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE'S JUST THE, THE DEFINITION OF GENERAL URBAN TIER. AGAIN, THOSE C TWO USES ARE CONSISTENT. MF 33 IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. UH, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE PLANS IN A MINUTE, BUT BASICALLY IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME THING THAT'S, THAT'S BUILT TO THE NORTH AND IS ALREADY EXISTING. SO ALL OF THE USES AROUND THIS PROPERTY HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT OUT. UM, AND AT THIS INTERSECTION OF PRU AND BANDERA, UH, SEEMS TO REALLY FIT WITHIN GENERAL URBAN TIER, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE ISN'T, DOESN'T HAVE THAT DESIGNATION. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL. UM, BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE USES ON THE GROUND AND HOW CLOSE WE ARE IN PROXIMITY TO, TO PRU AND BANDERA, UH, WE THINK THAT GENERAL URBAN ACTUALLY IS, IS A PERFECT FIT. UH, HERE'S JUST, JUST THE ZONING MAP SO WE CAN SHOW YOU KIND OF THE SURROUNDING ZONING. UM, C TWO IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT THE PROPERTY RIGHT IN THE NORTH HAS A C TWO ZONING, BUT THAT'S THE C TWO THAT ALLOWS FOR MF 33. UH, AND THAT'S WHERE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS RIGHT ADJACENT. SO WE HAVE THE APARTMENTS HERE, C TWO TYPE USES. AND THEN THE MF 33 ALSO DOWN HERE. SO THE REQUESTED MF 33 IS NOT OUT OF CHARACTER WITH OTHER USES, UH, IN ZONING IN THE AREA. YOU, SORRY, , I NEED CONTROL . UM, HERE'S JUST A RENDERING. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS COMMENTS FROM STAFF THAT IT WOULD BE OUT OF CHARACTER. UM, BUT, BUT THIS IS HOW THE BUILDING WILL FIT ON THE SITE. WHAT'S PROPOSED IS 39 UNITS BASICALLY VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH IN THIS APARTMENT BUILDING. SO WE'D HAVE ONE BUILDING ON THE SITE, THE 39 UNITS HERE, PARKING OUT FRONT, UH, WORKING ON TRYING TO GET ACCESS OFF OF PRU ROAD INSTEAD OF SOUTH HAUSMAN. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AS, AS GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. UM, BUT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS EXHIBIT, I THINK THAT, THAT THE USE IN THE MF 33 FITS WITHIN WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND IT. UH, JUST A BIT MORE OF A, OF A ZOOMED IN IMAGE OF THE SITE PLAN. AND THEN ONE MORE, UM, JUST KIND OF THE, THE LOOK OF, OF THE ONE SINGLE BUILDING, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST REQUEST THAT YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER, UM, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TODAY OF THIS, UH, WE THINK IT IS CONSISTENT WITH, AGAIN, NOT TO BE TOO REPETITIVE, BUT EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING AROUND, UM, AND THAT GENERAL URBAN TIER, UH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ASHLEY. I WILL START ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER ORIAN? YES. UM, WHAT'S THE ACREAGE ABOUT? 1.27 ACRES. OKAY. YEAH. UM, I'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME PROJECTS IN THIS AREA, LIKE AT BARING AND THEN UP PANERA A LITTLE BIT. [02:40:01] AND YEAH, THIS AREA IS A LOT. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL, UH, AND YOU DON'T REALLY START GETTING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL TILL YOU GET PAST HAUSMAN ROAD. UH, THIS, THIS LOOKS PRETTY APPROPRIATE. UM, IF, IF YOU ALREADY TALKED TO THE SCHOOL TO SEE IF, IF, IF THEY CAN HANDLE THE, THE, THE INCREASE IN POTENTIAL KIDS OR ANYTHING OR, UH, NO. HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH, WITH 39 UNITS. I DON'T THINK WE WERE ANTICIPATING. YEAH, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH TOO MANY KIDS, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS DO THAT OUTREACH. OKAY. AND, UH, YEAH, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE? NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER GARCIA? UH, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. COMMISSIONER PROFIT, UH, NO COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? THANKS COMMISSIONER GARCIA. NO COMMENTS. I KNOW IT'S CLOSE TO . COMMISSIONER ZUKI? YEAH, NO QUESTION. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. I TOO DON'T HAVE, UM, VERY MANY. UH, JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. IF, IF STAFF, JUST FOR THE, MY CLARIFICATION, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUBURBAN TIER AND GENERAL URBAN TIER AS FAR AS WHAT IT WOULD BE ALLOWED SUBURBAN TIER PERMITS UP TO, UH, MF 18. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING, UH, THE GENERAL URBAN TIER BECAUSE THEY WANNA DO A MORE INTENSE, UH, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THANK YOU. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE. JUST TO CLARIFY, MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO GENERAL URBAN TIER. SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. I'M SORRY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CHRISTOPHER GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER ORIAN? YES. MADAM CHAIR GONZALEZ? YES. A MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY. DO WE HAVE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? NOTHING FOR TODAY. OKAY. I SEE EVERYONE IS TURNING OFF THE LIGHTS. YES, SIR. WELL, CAN I JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT? I KNOW THIS IS THE LAST MEETING FOR OUR CHAIR AND FOR COMMISSIONER, UH, GARCIA. CHRISTOPHER GARCIA. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND DEDICATION. YOUR LEADERSHIP, UH, YOUR VOICES WILL BE MISSED ON THIS COMMISSION, BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY, SO I'M SURE WE'LL BE SEEING AND HEARING MORE FROM YOU. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. YEAH. AND, AND I'LL TAKE A POINT OF PRIVILEGE. I THINK STAFF DID SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHAIRMANS ARE DRINKING, BUT YOU TOOK OUT THE PAST TWO CHAIRMANS IN, IN ONE MEETING. UM, BUT NO, I, I'VE, IT LITERALLY THIS MONTH, UM, MARKS FOUR YEARS, UM, THAT I'VE BEEN SERVING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND IT MARKS ONE YEAR THAT I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING AS, UM, THE CHAIR, UH, WOMAN. AND SO IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE. I HAVE LEARNED QUITE A BIT. UM, I WAS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT SAN ANTONIO, WHICH IS WHY I, WHY I CHOSE TO SERVE AND, UM, EVEN MORE SO OVER THESE PAST FOUR YEARS. AND SO THANK YOU, UH, MOSTLY TO TO STAFF. UM, I'VE, I'VE ENJOYED GETTING TO KNOW Y'ALL, GETTING TO WORK WITH YOU ALL, UM, AND, AND JOINING AND SERVING ALONGSIDE SOME VERY PASSIONATE, DEDICATED AND, UM, INTELLECTUAL INDIVIDUALS ON THE COMMISSION. SO THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE. THANK YOU. AND I DO WANNA THANK YOU. AND IF I MAY TAKE MY OWN POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, JUST SAY THANK YOU. IT WAS AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH EVERYBODY HERE. THANK YOU FOR STAFF ESPECIALLY RESPONDING. UM, JUST F Y I, I KNOW SOMETIMES I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE CASES TO THE WEEKEND, BUT Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE TO RESPOND IN THE WEEKEND. I WOULD'VE A, A MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. A RESPONSE WOULD'VE BEEN ACCEPTABLE. BUT I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE IT. UM, I STARTED SERVING ON BOARDS OF COMMISSIONS IN 2012 AND MY BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODE BOARD AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE. MY TERM ENDED, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN THEY SWORN IN THE NEW MEMBERS. AND SO I KIND OF SAY TODAY'S THE END OF AN ERROR 'CAUSE NOW I'M DONE WITH ALL OF MY BOARD AND COMMISSION. SO M B A PROGRAMS, M B A PROGRAMS DON'T ALLOW MUCH ROOM FOR, UH, FOR OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES. SO, WELL, THANK YOU EVERYBODY. UM, WE DIDN'T REALLY SHAPE THE CITY. WE DID A LOT OF PLAN AMENDMENTS. WE GREW THE CITY THROUGH ANNEXATIONS. UM, I REMEMBER BEING EXCITED WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT THE CITY BUDGET PASSES THROUGH OUR HANDS, SO THAT WAS A BIG THING. SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY. I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES TOO FOR THEIR SERVICE. AND UM, SOMETIMES WE AGREED, SOMETIMES WE DIDN'T. BUT THAT WAS, UH, THE NATURE OF DOING A VERY THOROUGH JOB. AND I THANK YOU AND I KNOW YOU'LL BE WATCHING US ON, ON CABLE. THANK YOU ALL. IT IS FOUR 50 MINUTES. WHAT ABOUT THE MINUTES? MINUTES? [02:45:01] OH WELL MY LAST DUTY, I HAVE FAILED. UH, ANY REVISIONS [Approval of Minutes  ] TO THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PROFIT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA. NO. ROLL CALL. DID WE ALL QUESTION? AYE, DID WE VOTE ON THE, ON THE PLAS? YES. THAT WAS PART OF CONSENT. CONSENT. OH, WE DID? YES SIR. ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL THE OPPOSED HEARING NONE. IT IS 4 53 AND PLANNING COMMISSION IS CONCLUDED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.