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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 2ND, 2022.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE, FISH.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, WE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
HE MUST, I THINK HE'S ON THE PHONE.
HEY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING.
THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS TO INFORM YOU THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE NEEDING THESE SERVICES.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO APPROACH THE INTERPRETER CABIN LOCATED BEHIND THE RED CURTAINS RIGHT NEXT TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENT CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTY AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
AND FOR DEMOLITIONS, CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM, THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH.
FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY.
APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
MEMBERS OF THIS PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY.
WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
MASKS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING.
IN PERSON APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
UH, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS FOR THE AGENDA.
UM, WE DO HAVE A POSTPONEMENT OF ITEM 20 THAT'S 200, UH, RIVERWALK, UM, THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE ITEM 23 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
UM, THAT IS, UH, 3,700 NORTH ST.
THAT ITEM WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY.
UM, IT HAS NOT BEEN SET FOR A FUTURE DATE AT THIS TIME.
UH, WE DO HAVE ONE QUICK STAFF ANNOUNCEMENT.
WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER, CLAUDIA ESPINOZA SITTING BEHIND ME, WAVE CLAUDIA.
UM, SO SHE'S OUR NEWEST HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST JOINING THE DESIGN INTERVIEW TEAM.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE HER AT UH, MEETINGS AS A CASE MANAGER AND SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING HER.
UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM OF BUSINESS
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THAT'S THE H D R C MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 19TH.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE H D R C MEETING MINUTES FOR JANUARY 19TH AS SUBMITTED.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
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VELASQUEZ.[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE 17 ITEMS ON THE GET SEND AGENDA.UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAIL, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS, THOSE AT THIS TIME.
UM, WE DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY, UM, ATTEND IN PERSON SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
UM, SO IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN WANTING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM AND DIDN'T SIGN UP, MAKE SURE YOU DO THAT OVER HERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY, BUT I DO KNOW PEOPLE WERE STILL KIND OF FILTERING IN.
UM, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND PLAY VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM ONE.
MY NAME IS VALERIE ES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DIGNA WITTY HILL.
I'M CALLING TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNA WITTY HILL WITH CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 3 2 AT 1 0 2 6 HAY STREET.
THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF D WITTY HILL AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
NEXT ARE VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM NUMBER 2 19 30 WEST MISSILE TOE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS STANLEY WAG HALTER 2351 WEST MULBERRY IN THE JEFFERSON AREA.
CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 5 8 19 30 WEST MISSILE TOW CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 6 1 5 21 27 WEST WOODLAWN AND CASE NUMBER 20 22 0 6 3 1 0 9.
BEVERLY, THESE PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN BEFORE THE JEFFERSON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO DISCUSS THEIR PLANS FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CHANGES.
AND I THINK, UH, THE STAFF SHOULD DENY THIS UNTIL OR DENY THEIR REQUEST UNTIL THEY HAVE APPEARED BEFORE.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, JEFFERSON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETS ON THE SECOND MONDAY OF EACH MONTH.
UH, WEBSITE IS JEFFERSON SA.COM IF THEY WANT TO FIND OUT, UH, ABOUT THE MEETING PLACE.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS.
MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, LEAVING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OUR PRESIDENT DREA GARZA AND IT'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS, WE ARE LOCATED OUR ADDRESS OF PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 1.
THESE COMMENTS ARE IN REGARD ARE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 5 8 9 3 WEST MISSILE TOE.
WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE, UH, BASED ON THEIR FINDINGS, A THROUGH D WITH THEIR STIPULATIONS OF OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE THAT ARE, UH, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL AND THE EXTERIOR FINISHES OF THE ENCLOSURE OF THIS PARTICULAR CARPORT.
WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER INVESTING IN THEIR HOME AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS.
NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER 3 21 27 WEST WOODLAWN.
I AM THE CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND I LEAVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF OUR PRESIDENT, DREA GARZA AND OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
OUR, OUR ADDRESS IS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5.
THIS IS IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM 2 0 2 1 DASH 6 1 5, THE ADDRESS AT 2 1 2 7 WEST WOODLAWN FOR THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION OF AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND TWO CAR GARAGE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE APPRECIATE, UM, HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN THEIR PROPERTIES, UM, AND WE ARE THANKFUL OF SAS RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE SUPPORT, UH, SAS RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS CASE.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE ONE STRONG CONCERN.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND WE WOULD ASK THAT THE PROPERTY MEET THE U D C SECTION 35 DASH F AS IN FRANK 1 42 SPECIFIC STANDARDS, A RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION NUMBER ONE, UH, WHICH STATES CONSTRUCTION OF HABITABLE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN BASE.
NEW CONSTRUCTION AND SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT OF ANY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE SHALL HAVE THE LOWEST FLOOR INCLUDING BASEMENT ELEVATED ONE FOOT ABOVE THE REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN WITH THE LOWEST ADJACENT GRADE AT OR ABOVE THE REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN.
WE WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE RENDERINGS AND THE MASSING AND SCALE
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MEET THESE SPECIFIC STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE U D C FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.UM, IN READING THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE CASE, WE WERE UNABLE TO DRAW THAT CONCLUSION BASED ON THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED AND WOULD STRONGLY ASK THAT THIS CONSIDERATION BE EVALUATED IN THE MASSING AND SCALING OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
WE ALSO ASK THAT HIS FINAL APPROVAL IS WORKED TOWARDS THAT.
UM, THE MECHANICAL STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY BE, UH, SHOWN AND ALSO ANY LIGHTING ON THE STRUCTURE BE SHOWN AND THAT IT ANY LIGHTING ADHERE TO THE MILITARY LIGHTING, UM, OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS.
BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO A REGIONAL, UH, RECREATIONAL PARK, UH, WE ARE THANKFUL FOR ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE FLOODPLAIN IS OF THE MOST, UM, PRESSING ISSUE ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THE STRUCTURE WILL HAVE TO BE ELEVATED IN ADDITIONAL FOOT, UM, ABOVE WHAT IS PROPOSED.
AND SO WE JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT U D C CODE ITEM FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
WE ALSO NOTE THAT THE SIDE SETBACK, UM, ON THE EASTERN ELEVATION, UH, REVEALS A THREE FEET.
UM, AND THAT WILL HAVE TO SEEK A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT VARIANCE AS THE STANDARD IS, UH, FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON THAT WESTERN ELEVATION ACCORDING TO CITY CODE.
THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PREPARE, UH, COMMENTS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
ACTUALLY, I HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THREE 17 EAST MYRTLE.
I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, 7 8 2 1 2.
UH, I, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 4 3 1 7 EAST MYRTLE STREET.
WE WOULD LIKE TO LEND OUR COMPLETE SUPPORT TO THIS PROJECT.
WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, AFTER HAVING SEEN THE PHOTOGRAPH, UH, THE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH, THAT THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT PROJECT, UH, FOR THIS HOUSE.
SO WE THANK THE OWNERS, UH, FOR DOING IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ITEM 8 5 15, WILLOW, GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN WHITTY HILL.
I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF D WITTY HILL IN REGARDS TO H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 6 2 AT FIVE 15 WILLOW STREET.
A CONCERN WE HAVE WITH THIS DESIGN IS THE REMOVAL OF THE SHADE CANOPIES WHEN THE STUDENTS AND TEACHERS ARE USING THE OUTDOOR SEATING FOR LEARNING OR WHEN CHILDREN ARE PLAYING IN THE NEW OUTDOOR PLAY AREA, THEY WILL BE EXPOSED TO THE SAN ANTONIO HEAT, WHICH CAN OCCUR FROM AS EARLY AS APRIL ALL THE WAY TO OCTOBER.
AND THIS CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM.
UM, JUST FIRST COMMENT, THERE WAS A VOICEMAIL FOR CASE NUMBER THREE, NO, FOR CASE NUMBER TWO AND IT'S WAS FOR, UH, ITEM TWO, SIX AND 16, NOT TWO, EIGHT AND 16.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECTED.
UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA PULL WOODLAND.
IT IS, UM, A CASE THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE CALLED IN ON, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER FOUR, BUT IT IS ALSO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THE, UM, UM, FOR US TO JUST CONSIDER THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAYBE FOR THE FINAL ACTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S MAYBE SOMETHING WE CAN DO AND, UM, TO THE APPLICANTS NOT, I DON'T WANNA PULL IT, BUT TO THE APPLICANTS OF THE CASES TWO, SIX AND 18, I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
SO IF THEY'RE PRESENT OR, UM, VIRTUALLY LISTENING IN, UM, I DO WANNA MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY CONTACT THE JEFFERSON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BEFORE, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY OF THE APPROVALS.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS AS COMMISSIONER MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
UM, WE DO HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER WHO IS GETTING HER BUTTON TO PUSH ON THE MIC TO PULL ONE CASE.
UM, CHAIRMAN FETZER, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MY, APPARENTLY THE AGENDA I HAVE IS NUMBERED DIFFERENTLY THAN THIS ONE.
SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER,
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UM, NUMBER 8 5 15 WILLOW, CORRECT? YES, SIR.WE HAVE A MOTION TO EXCLUDE ITEM EIGHT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE BALANCE OF THE AGENDA? UH, CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY, IS THE MOTION INCLUSIVE OF, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES.
IT'S, IT'S WITH AS PRESENTED BY, BY STAFF EXCLUDING ITEM EIGHT IN, IN THAT, IN THAT CASE A SECOND.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IN YOUR ADDRESS.
26 HAYES, 1930 WEST MISSILE TOW THREE 17 EAST MYRTLE 2127 WEST WOODLAWN, 5 55 SOUTH ALAMO 2 0 2, MARY LOUISE, 24 1 16 WEST INTERSTATE HIGHWAY TEN TWO OH SEVEN Y OAK, UH, BOTH FOR DESIGNATION AND TAX INCENTIVES.
LABOR 9 27 WEST MULBERRY, ONE 19 EAST HOLLYWOOD, ONE 12 SAN ARTURO, 1 0 9 BEVERLY AND 1224 VIRGINIA.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO REMAIN VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON IN ATTENDANCE FOR THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NEXT, WE'LL REVIEW ITEM 8 5 15 WILLOW.
AND THIS ITEM WAS JUST PULLED FOR COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE THE APPLICANT VIRTUALLY, UM, SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO HIM, UM, MR. PALMER'S ONLINE? YES.
UM, YES, THIS IS A, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SHADING DEVICES AND WHAT HAS BEEN REMOVED AND WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IN THE PROJECT.
AND I KNOW THIS PROJECT CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION PROBABLY ABOUT TWO, THREE YEARS AGO OR EVEN FOUR YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DESIGN, SO IT VARIES, UM, FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK THEN.
AND PERHAPS YOU CAN, UH, GIVE US AN UPDATE, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO SHADING DEVICES, UM, IN THOSE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENTLY PROGRAMMED OUTDOOR SPACES.
UH, TERRY PALMER WITH BEATTY PALMER ARCHITECTS.
UH, THE, THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, UH, ACTUALLY PROBABLY WERE ADDING, UH, ADDITIONAL SHADING, UH, WITH, WITH THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, AT THE, AT THE TOP OF THE SHEET, THE RED SHADED AREA, UH, IS, IS A NEW COVERED, UH, ENTRY CANOPY, UH, WHICH WILL IS BEING PROPOSED.
UH, TO ADD TO THE SENSE OF ARRIVAL, UH, FOR THE CAMPUS.
THE MAIN ENTRY IS, UH, IS THERE, UH, TO THE, TO THE LEFT, TO THE RED SHADED AREA.
UM, WE'RE REMOVING ABOUT A 70 FOOT SECTION OF COVERED WALKWAY.
THAT'S THE PRE-ENGINEERED COVERED WALKWAY BETWEEN THE GYM AND THE PRE-K, UH, FACILITY THAT, THAT IS, UH, FRONTS LAMAR STREET.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT DASHED AREA WE'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A STRONG DESIRE BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE CAMPUS AND THE DISTRICT TO CREATE A, A LARGE OPEN PLAY FIELD.
THE EXISTING COVERED WALKWAY, YOU KNOW, CREATED A, A A SIGNIFICANT SEPARATION.
UH, AND SO THE IDEA IS TO CREATE THIS LARGE OPEN, OPEN PLAY FIELD WHERE THEY CAN DO, YOU KNOW, SOCCER AND, UH, FOOTBALL.
THAT, THAT WE ARE ADDING A NEW COVERED WALKWAY TO, TO GET, UH, SERVICES AND ACCESS BETWEEN THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE EXISTING PRE-K THAT'S, UH, NOTED AS AS 10, UH, JUST ABOVE THAT HALF COURT BASKETBALL COURT.
UH, SO WE'RE BASICALLY PROBABLY ADDING A, I THINK IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED LINEAL FEET OF, OF
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PRE-ENGINEERED COVERED WALKWAY, UH, TO REPLACE THAT SECTION THAT WILL REMOVE, UM, THE PROPOSED GYM.WE'VE GOT ABOUT AN 1800 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING PE GYM THAT, THAT ADDITION INCLUDES TWO COVERED PORCH AREAS FOR OUTDOOR LEARNING AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ALSO OFFER, YOU KNOW, SHADED UH, OUTDOOR AREAS FOR THE STUDENTS.
SO THAT, THAT'S, I GUESS, UH, THE, THE, THE PROJECT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR CONCERN.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
SO DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, WE HAVE AN MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE.
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FIRST ITEM UNDER INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022, UH, 0 57 1 33 E SUITE.SUCH THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING REAR STONE WALL AND CONSTRUCT A C M U BLOCK WALL.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF, OF THE REMOVAL OF THE ROCK WALL AND THE REPLACEMENT OF C M U WALL BASED ON FINDING.
B STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING ROCK WALL BE MAINTAINED AND REPAIRED USING IN-KIND MATERIALS.
AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE IN PERSON.
IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
I PURCHASED THE HOUSE ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO.
UM, THE ROCK WALL WAS ALREADY THERE.
I BROUGHT AN ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT STATES THE WALL CANNOT BE REPAIRED.
I, UM, ALSO HAVE ABOUT, UH, 37 PICTURES, UH, SHOWING THAT THE ROCK WALL IS FALLING APART.
THE ENGINEER'S REPORT, IF YOU WANNA SEE IT, UM, HAS A COUPLE OF PICTURES IN THERE.
THE MAIN ONE IS THIS WALL WAS BUILT INCORRECTLY.
UH, I'VE GOT SOME STONE IF YOU WANNA SEE IT.
I CAN LITERALLY KNOCK IT DOWN WITH MY FINGER.
THE WALL, UH, THESE ARE PICTURES.
I, UH, THE ROCK WALL WAS BUILT WITH LIMESTONE AT LEAST 85%.
AND WITH THE RAINS THAT WE GOT, UH, IN THE SPRING, IT'LL, ONE OF THE PICTURES WILL SHOW THE TOP OF THE WALL IS TOTALLY CRACKED.
SO DURING THE RAINS, THE, UH, THE WATER WENT INTO THE WALL, THE LIMESTONE EXPIRED, AND, UM, THE WALL IS FALLING DOWN.
I, UH, I'M NOT THAT I'M AN EXPERT ON ROCK WALLS, BUT I AM FROM EL PASO AND EVERYBODY HAS A ROCK WALL OVER THERE, AND THEY'RE NEVER BUILT HOLLOW.
I BROUGHT A DIAGRAM ON HOW A ROCK WALL IS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT.
I ALSO BOUGHT A COUPLE OF ARTICLES SHOWING THAT BLOCK WAS USED IN THE 19 HUNDREDS BECAUSE I WOULD PREFER TO BUILD IT OUT OF BLOCK.
THE, SOME OF THE PICTURES SHOWS, UH, THE THREE HOUSES BEHIND MY ALLEY.
THEIR BACKYARD, UH, FACES THE ALLEY
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AS WELL.AND THREE HOUSES IN A ROW ARE BUILT OUT OF BLOCK.
I HAVE ALSO SIX PROPERTIES THAT I DROVE AROUND SHOWING BLOCK WALLS, BOTH IN THE ALLEY AND IN THE FRONT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO, WE DON'T.
TENSOR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER GROUP'S TAKEN FROM A STAFF VISIT, OR ARE THESE SU PRIED BY THE APPLICANT? I'M SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT.
I, I TOOK THEM TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOBODY WENT TO GO SEE THE WALL, AND IF THEY DID, THEY DIDN'T, UH, LIKE RING MY DOORBELL.
UM, I MEAN, I'M THE ENGINE, THE ENGINE, I'M SORRY.
THE ENGINEER DID TAKE THE PICTURES THAT ARE WITH HIS REPORT.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M AWARE ALWAYS, UM, WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF RETAINING WHAT'S HISTORIC, BUT I DO FEEL THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE A, UM, STATING A CASE HERE.
UM, THE ENGINEER LETTER HELPS A LOT.
UM, WE ALWAYS ASK FOR THOSE THINGS.
I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A, A SUPPORT IN, UM, IN, IN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, AS THE NORMALLY I WOULD NOT SUPPORT C M U AS BEING A REPLACEMENT MATERIAL.
MAYBE I JUST WANT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO LOOK THROUGH.
UH, SHE'S STATING THAT SEVERAL OF HER NEIGHBORS HAVE IT, WHICH IS ALWAYS A, ALSO SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP US SUPPORT THE ADDRESS I BROUGHT MATERIAL, THE ADDRESSES.
THAT SUPPORTS THE CHANGE OF MATERIAL BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT'S FOUND AROUND THE, THE PROPERTY.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOME.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I ALWAYS SEEK TO ZOOM OUT AND UNDER UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY IN ITS CONTEXT FOR THE, THE PIECE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ALLEY WALL.
SO IT'S CERTAINLY NOT AS OF HIGH SIGNIFICANCE AS THE, AS THE MAIN HOUSE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT, HOWEVER, NOT TO HAVE THIS SORT OF SLOW EROSION OF ORIGINAL MATERIAL, EVEN IF IT'S JUST AN ALLEY WALL.
AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE.
ONE, UH, ONE SIDE OF THE WALL COULD BE DISASSEMBLED AND YOU COULD PUT A CM U WALL IN THERE TO GIVE IT THE STRUCTURAL RIGID RIGIDITY AND THEN PUT THE STONE BACK.
ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS MAKING THE REPAIRS TO THE SURFACE DAMAGE AND THEN USING A FLOW FULFILL THAT CAN BE INJECTED INTO THE WALL.
SO THAT BASICALLY GROUTS THAT HOLLOW CORE.
NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
IT'S A PRETTY LARGE HOLLOW CAVITY WITHIN THE WALL.
YEAH, IT TOTALLY DISINTEGRATES.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A T TYPICAL NATIVE LIMESTONE AROUND HERE.
THIS WAS A VERY UTILITARIAN WALL, UH, THAT WAS BUILT, UH, PROBABLY OUT OF SCRAPS AND REMAINS FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT AS SIGNIFICANT AS, AS THE MAIN HOUSE, BUT I DO THINK THERE, THERE COULD BE SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE.
AND I'M, I'M WONDERING IF THOSE ITEMS WERE EXPLORED RATHER THAN JUST WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT WITH A CME WALL.
WELL, I, THE, ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER THAT THIS WALL IS NOT REPAIRABLE IN ANY WAY.
I MEAN, LITERALLY IT'S, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT TOP PICTURE WHERE IT'S GOT THE CRACK ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
I'M SORRY, THE, THE WALL IS LEANING TOWARDS THE ALLEY.
IT, IT, THERE WAS NOTHING, THE ORIGINAL, JUST FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, MY SON WORKED BUILDING WALLS, UH, WHILE HE WAS GOING THROUGH COLLEGE.
EVERYBODY IN EL PASO HAS A ROCK WALL.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A ROCK WALL BUILT HOLLOW, NEVER.
I GOT TWO COMPANIES FROM SAN ANTONIO TO GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE AND TWO KIND OF LOOK AT THE WALL.
BOTH OF THEM WANTED TO BUILD IT HOLLOW, THROW IN ROCK IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN THROW IN CEMENT.
I'VE GOT A PICTURE OF HOW A ROCK WALL IS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT.
IT'S A, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL TYPICAL, UH, ACTUALLY A VERY TYPICAL CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WHERE YOU
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USE A RUBBLE INFILL AND THEN YOU HAVE IT FACED OUT WITH A, WITH A STONE.THAT'S SOMETHING WE SEE ALL AROUND SAN ANTONIO.
UM, SO I, I JUST POSE THOSE QUESTIONS.
I THINK SOME MORE EXPLORATION NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE HERE.
THE LEANING OF THE WALL IS UNDOUBTEDLY DUE TO A LACK OF A, OF SUFFICIENT FOOTING UNDERNEATH THE WALL.
THERE MAY NOT BE ANY FOUNDATION FOOTING AT ALL, UH, WHICH IS VERY LIKELY THEY WOULD'VE JUST STACKED THE STONE KIND OF CEMENTED IT TOGETHER.
SO THERE'S I THAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT THAT DOES BECOME PRETTY HARD TO REPAIR WITHOUT A TOTAL DISASSEMBLING OF THE WALL.
BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK STAFF IS RIGHT IN THAT YOU WANT TO HANG ON TO THAT MATERIAL.
IT'S AS OLD AS THE HOUSE, PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO IT AND IS ORIGINAL.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE FURTHER EXPLORATION AND I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK.
YES, I WOULD, UH, AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE WALL IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO YOUR PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
AND IF THERE WAS A WAY TO, UM, DISMANTLE THE WALL, SALVAGE AS MUCH STONE AS YOU COULD PUT IN A DECENT FOUNDATION, WHICH YOU'LL NEED ANYWAY, FOR THE EXTINCTION OF WHATEVER WALL YOU PUT IN, YOU'LL NEED A DECENT FOUNDATION.
AND, UH, YOU'LL PROBABLY NEED SOME ENGINEERED DRAWINGS FOR THAT IN ORDER TO PULL A PERMIT.
BUT, UH, IF A, UH, CONCRETE BLOCK WALL WAS, UH, BUILT AND THEN FACED WITH THE SALVAGE STONE AND ANOTHER STONE TO MATCH, UH, TO AGAIN, MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE WALL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, I THINK I COULD SUPPORT THAT.
UM, I AGREE WITH THE APPROACH OF A REPAIR OR A REBUILD.
UM, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE AND CONSIDERING THE EFFORT YOU'RE GOING TO AND EXPENSE YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN FOR FOUNDATION AND WHAT HAVE YOU, IT, UM, IT ALMOST CALLS FOR THAT HISTORIC AND VERY REGIONAL LIMESTONE TO BE REPLACED.
YOU WANT SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL AT THE END OF THIS.
RIGHT? BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT SOME OF THE PICTURES, THE LIMESTONE, I MEAN, I'VE GOT ROCK HERE.
THEY, THAT, THAT ROCK WALL, THAT WALL HAS BEEN REPAIRED A DOZEN TIMES.
BUT IF IT WERE REPAIRED WITH A, WELL, IT'S NOT REPAIRED, IT WOULD BE REBUILT WITH A C M U, JUST AS RIGHT.
THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, BUT I CAN'T USE THIS ROCK.
AND THIS IS 85% OF THE WALL, MR. CHAIR, ARE WE ONLINE? ARE WE, CAN YOU HEAR US? OR YOU CAN HEAR US? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND.
I I I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY PASSED OVER ISSUES.
UM, I, I, I WANTED, I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING WITH THE APPLICANT.
I THINK THAT THE WORD THAT'S BEING FIXED IS KIND THE WRONG WORD.
WALLS LIKE THESE, THESE OLD WALLS, THEY'RE REBUILT OVER AND OVER.
REALLY, THE PROCESS, THEY TILT, THEY MOVE, THEY JUST ASSEMBLE BACK TOGETHER.
AND THAT'S THE LIFE OF A WALL LIKE THIS.
RIGHT? UM, SO WHETHER IT SHOULD BE HOLLOW OR SHOULD BE HOLLOWED, BUT I THINK THE ONE THING THAT IS VERY CONSTANT ABOUT THESE KIND OF TICK IS THAT THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY REPAIRING, FIXING WALL OR REBUILDING SECTIONS OF ALL THAT THEY BRING IN USE.
ALSO, THESE ARE VERY HIGH MAINTENANCE WALLS TO, BUT, UH, I DO WANT TO ECHO, UH, COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN'S COMMENTS.
MAN, I, I THINK THAT WHAT, WHAT REALLY, UH, IN THE CONDITION THAT THAT, THAT IT'S JUST SAY FOR THE REASONING HOLLOW IS THE WALL THAT IF, IF WE'RE GONNA REBUILD THE WALL WITH SEA BLOCK, MAKE IT STRUCTURALLY SOUND THAT THE REAL DESIGN ELEMENT HERE, VENEERED WALL, THAT'S GONNA HAVE A COMMITMENT BUILDING, HE SAID THAT SEGMENTS OF IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, LIKE PLASTER ON THE WALL, YOU KNOW, THAT CONSTANTLY HAVE WORK AND, YOU KNOW, LIGHT TERM HOUSE.
RIGHT? IS THAT A CONSIDERATION THAT YOU HAVE THAT IT, THAT IT'S LOCKED WALL BUILT RIGHT.
WITH A LIMESTONE VENEER? THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
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I WAS SUGGESTING BLOCK JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST.I'M ON A FIXED INCOME AND, UM, I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO WAIT A WHILE BEFORE I DO THAT PROJECT.
I'VE, I, LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT TWO, UH, THEY CALL THEMSELVES STONE MASONS GIVING ME, UH, PROPOSED, UH, I GAVE, I ASKED THEM TO GIVE ME TWO BIDS, ONE ON TEARING THE WALL DOWN AND REBUILDING IT, AND, AND THE OTHER ONE ON REPAIRING IT IF I COULD NOT GET PERMISSION TO.
UH, AND THOSE BIDS HAVE NOT COME IN YET.
I, I, I WOULD JUST, YOU, YOU KNOW, MY, MY IN, IN TERMS OF WHAT STAFF IS SAYING AND THE COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSIONERS, WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS SUGGESTING MIGHT BE THAT THE OPTION, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER PROPERTY, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A LIGHTWEIGHT, UH, FILL, UH, BUT, UM, IF YOU DID A C NEW BLACK WALL AND I THINK OTHER, OTHER, COMMISSIONER TOMMY, IF YOU DID ANOTHER CING BLOCK WALL, THE CHANCES ARE THAT YOU WOULD'VE TO JUST SOME POWER WALL AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD A BRAND NEW FOUNDATION.
AND THAT IS PROBABLY ONE THE MOST OPTION IN.
BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PASS IT OVER TO I THINK COMMISSIONER FISH.
UM, IF COMMISSIONER SINO, UH, NEEDS TO FINISH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD FIRST.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FISH.
YOU MAY WANNA RETURN TO THE CONTRACTOR THAT GAVE YOU THE, UH, NEW C M U WALL WITH THE NEW FOUNDATION, ADEQUATE FOUNDATION AS YOU HAD, AND JUST ASK THEM FOR A SEPARATE LINE ITEM TO USE THE SALVAGED ROCK ON SITE FOR A VENEER.
AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS CRUMBLING AND BREAKING IN SMALLER PIECES IN SOME CASES WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE.
IT'S A RELATIVELY, UH, STRAIGHTFORWARD ASPECT, BUT I THINK THAT WAY YOU'LL GET THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.
THE DURABILITY, THE LONG-TERM QUALITY OF THAT WALL, AS WELL AS COMPLYING AND, AND FITTING IN WITH THE, UM, WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
UH, NOW COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I SHARE, UH, THE CONCERN ABOUT THE CHANGE MATERIAL FROM, FROM THE LIMESTONE.
UM, I DO SUPPORT, UM, A RECONSTRUCTION EFFORT AND THAT COULD INCLUDE A NEW FOOTING AND A C M E BACKING IN THIS
BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS MUCH OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL, UM, PRACTICALLY USABLE, SALVAGE AND USED, AND ANY ADDITIONAL MATERIAL THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, BE MATCHED.
NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND HOW YOU MAY FOR DEED HERE.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET TO TALK TO YOUR CONTRACTORS AND, AND GET, UH, MORE INFORMATION, MAYBE A SECTION OF WHAT THEY PROPOSED, WHAT THEY CAN, WHAT THEY CAN OFFER THAT WOULD MEET THIS, UM, YOU COULD RETURN TO A D R C OR COME BACK HERE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION, UH, ABOUT IT FURTHER.
UH, OTHERWISE I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD APPROVE THIS ITEM MORE OR LESS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, BUT ALLOWING RECONSTRUCTION, REUSE, SALVAGE MATERIAL.
THEY DON'T WANNA PUT YOU IN A BOX BEFORE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO EXPLORE YOUR OPTIONS.
SO, UM, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR AN APPLICANT.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? WELL, I GUESS I CAN TALK TO, UM, FIND SOME CONSTRUCTION, UH, COMPANIES THAT ACTUALLY CAN BUILD A, A, A WALL.
AND, UM, ONE, ONE OF THE GUYS THAT I GOT DID TELL ME THAT HE COULD BUILD IT OUT OF, UM, BLOCK AND THEN PUT A VENEER ON THE FRONT.
UH, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE TEARING THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND, 'CAUSE HE SAID, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S FOOTING AND, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PROCEED.
I'VE GIVEN, GIVEN THE LIEN, I, I, I THINK I, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF A SALVAGE AND RECONSTRUCTION FOR THIS.
MAYBE THE BEST WAY FORWARD IS TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH A MOTION THAT ENCAPSULATES THAT IF SOMETHING CHANGES, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, UH, MAKE A NEW APPLICATION AND COME BACK AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF RECONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL SALVAGE OR THAT SALVAGE AND REUSE OF THE, UH, WITH THE SORT REAL AS THIS
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POSSIBLE.I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES.
WOULD THAT, UH, MOTION ALSO INCLUDE THE OPTION THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAD SAID THAT IF SHE SAW THE WAY OF EXPLORING, OF FILLING THE EXISTING WALL SUPPORT THAT DOESN'T NEED TO COME BACK? RIGHT.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY EVEN BE COMMISSIONER.
I THINK THAT'S A SIMPLE REPAIR.
AND IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
YEAH, I, I SEE THIS MOTION AS ALLOWING ANYTHING THAT RETAINS A ROCK FACE ON THE EXTERIOR.
SO HOWEVER YOUR CONTRACTOR CAN COME UP WITH THE STRUCTURE FOR IT, WHETHER IT'S BLOCK, WHETHER IT'S RUBBLE, HOWEVER IT IS, UM, WE CAN WORK WITH THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT KNOWS ALSO THAT OPTION STILL EXIST.
UH, WELL THE FILL, THE FILL IS OUT OF THE QUESTION.
IF YOU CAN SEE, 85% OF THE STONE THAT THEY BUILT THIS WITH IS THIS LIMESTONE THAT FALLS APART.
IT ABSORBS OUR RAIN WHEN IT RAINS.
AND WITH THE, THE LAST RAIN THAT WE GOT IN THE SPRING, THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THIS DAMAGE.
PRIOR TO THAT, YES, THIS WAS FALLING APART, BUT THE CRACK AT THE, AT THE TOP WAS NOT THERE.
AND THAT HAPPENS WHEN THIS ROCK ABSORBS THE MOISTURE EXPANDS AND THEN CONTRACTS.
WELL, IT COULD ALSO BE THAT THE RAINS, UH, UNDERMINE THE, ANY SORT OF FOUNDATION THAT'S ON THERE AND THE WALL SHIFTED.
THAT COULD ALSO BE, THAT MIGHT BE TRUE.
IT WAS, IT WAS PROBABLY THAT IT RAINED, CAVITIES GOT FILLED.
STONES ABSORB THE MOISTURE AND THEN THAT FREEZE.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, LIKE THE WALL'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AND THEY'VE BEEN FREAKED AND STONE SPAS RIGHT WHEN IT FREEZES.
SO, AND SHE'LL PROBABLY HAVE SOME MORE TOMORROW, THE NEXT DAY REALLY IN REALITY.
SO, AND ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO GO SEE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE.
MAY I HAVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO OR WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWING ME TO DO? SO THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I PRESENT? YES.
STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU? YES, BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO GO TO THE TROUBLE OF STARTING THIS PROCESS AND THEN I GET IT WRONG.
AND THEN YOU TELL ME GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
STAFF WILL BE ABLE, HE STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH THOSE, UH, OKAY.
MAY I TAKE MY PICTURES? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CASE NUMBER 2 2 2 0 2 9 1 23 ALAMO PLAZA.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN OPEN FACE CHANNEL LETTER SIGNED TO READ VEEVA SS A T X TO FEATURE AN OVERALL SIZE OF THREE FEET IN HEIGHT AND 13 FEET, FOUR AND A HALF INCHES IN WIDTH.
THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE WILL BE ILLUMINATED BY L E D LIGHTS THAT APPEAR THAT ARE TO APPEAR AS NE NEON TUBING.
THE TOTAL SIZE OF THIS SIGN ELEMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 40 SQUARE FEET.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, INSTALL AN ALUMINUM PANEL SIGN BENEATH THE PRIMARY SIGN THAT WILL READ GIFTS FROM THE HEART OF TEXAS.
THIS SIGNAGE ELEMENT WILL NOT BE ILLUMINATED AND WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL SIZE OF 10 INCHES IN HEIGHT AND 13 FEET NINE INCHES IN WIDTH FOR TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 12 SQUARE FEET.
NOT INCLUDED IN THIS SIGNAGE REQUEST IS THE EXISTING BLADE SIGN, WHICH WILL BE REPLACED.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A BLADE SIGN AS NOTED IN FINDING C AND D.
THE APPLICANT GREG BURETT IS HERE IN PERSON.
PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
MY NAME IS GREG BURQUETTE AND I'M REPRESENTING THE CLIENT, UM, WITH, UH, SOUTHWEST SIGN GROUP.
UH, OUR REQUEST IS TO REPLACE THE SIGN THAT'S CURRENTLY UP THERE THAT MIMICS WHAT WE'RE
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REQUESTING, EXCLUDING THAT OLD SIGN, HAVING NEON IN IT.THIS IS MORE DURABLE AND LONG LASTING AND REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF, UH, SERVICE GONNA BE NEEDING ON A NEON SIGN.
WE'RE MIMICKING IT WITH THE L E D, SO IT, AGAIN, IT FALLS WITHIN THE, UH, HISTORIC LOOK OF THE OPEN FACE CHANNEL LETTER LOOK, WHICH WAS VERY PROMINENT BACK IN THE FIFTIES.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO, UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIR? YES.
UM, I GUESS IT'S FOR STAFF BECAUSE OF THE FINDINGS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE EXISTING SIGN, I MEAN, WAS MAYBE PUT THERE A LONG TIME AGO.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE REAL REASONING BEHIND JUST THE BLADE SIGN IF THAT IS AN EXISTING SIGN? UH, THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE MORE, UH, ACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT THE AGE OF THE EXISTING SIGN.
UH, BUT THE GUIDELINES NOTE THEN, UH, TO RECOMMEND SIGNAGE THAT'S, UH, CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
UM, THERE ARE WALL SIGNS SUCH AS WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING LOCATED IN ALAMO PLAZA.
HOWEVER, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT SIGNS THAT ARE HISTORIC OR CONTRIBUTING, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE EITHER HANGING CANOPY SIGNS OR WHERE THERE'S NOT A CANOPY.
UH, IT'S A BLADE SIGN THAT EXTENDS OUT OVER THE SIDEWALK.
UH, SO STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS SIMPLY BASED ON THAT.
BASED ON, UH, HISTORICALLY WHAT WOULD BE MOST ACCURATE OR MOST REPRESENTATIVE OF A SIGN THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
I WOULD HAVE TO ARGUE WITH YOU ON THAT.
THE WALGREENS DOWN ON ANIMAL PLAZA WAS A WALL-MOUNTED SIGN WITH OPEN FACE NEON AND CHANNEL LETTERS.
SO THAT WAS A VERY PROMINENT HISTORIC SIGN.
HISTORIC SIGNS ARE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, ARE WALL-MOUNTED SIGNS.
SO I, I DO BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU ON THAT.
CAN I ASK ONE MORE LAST THING? ARE YOU GONNA CHANGE THE BLADE SIGN THAT'S EXISTING? WERE YOU PLANNING ON IT'LL JUST BE REFACED AS IS WITH THE NEW COPY? YOU HAVE THE DESIGNING? I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PACKAGE.
IT WAS NOT IN THERE, IT WAS KIND OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
UH, ED HALL BROUGHT UP THE BLADE SIGN AND IT WAS THE INTENTION OF JUST PUTTING THE NEW GRAPHICS ON THEIR CURRENT EXISTING, UH, SUPPORT AND NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THE PLATE.
NO CHANGES OTHER THAN JUST A REPHASE.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE REASE MAYBE ALSO GOES, SHOULD GO AS PART OF THE PACKAGE, RIGHT.
SO I THOUGHT TYPICALLY EXISTING, EVEN IF IT WAS POSSIBLY NON-CONFORMING, WOULD BE ABLE TO BE REFACED.
I GUESS JEFF CAN CLARIFY TO THAT.
UM, WHAT'S THE CURRENT SIZE OF THE SIGN RIGHT NOW? 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE NEW SIGN IS 40 SQUARE FEET.
DO WE KNOW WHAT YEAH, I'M GOING OFF OF MEMORY.
THAT CURRENT SIGN IS PROBABLY ABOUT 33 SQUARE FEET IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE L IS A, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AROUND 32 INCHES IN HEIGHT.
UH, AGAIN, I HAD TO SCALE IT BASED UPON WHAT I COULD MEASURE AND WE USED THAT SCALE TO FIGURE THE, UH, THE NEW SIZE OF THE NEW SIGN AND KEEPING IT UNDER THE 50 SQUARE FEET ALLOWANCE, WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL FOR HISTORIC AREAS OF SIGNAGE.
AND, UH, GREG, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCES IN, UH, THE EXISTING SIGN IN WHAT'S PROPOSED IS THE EXISTING SIGN FITS WITHIN THIS TYPICAL, UH, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE SCREEN, THE SIGNAGE BAND, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT HERE, UH, AND THEN EXTEND SLIGHTLY PAST, UH, THE, UH, THE FOURTH WINDOW.
UH, WHEREAS THE PROPOSED SIGN, UH, YOU CAN SEE STAYS WITHIN, UH, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THE FIRST AND FOURTH WINDOW, UH, BUT IT'S SLIGHTLY TALLER THAN THIS EXISTING, UH, BRICK COURSE OR BAND.
UH, THAT'S LOCATED ABOVE THE TRANSOM.
IT IS STICKING ABOVE THAT A LITTLE BIT.
AGAIN, IT DOESN'T INVOLVE ANY, I MEAN, THAT'S PURELY AESTHETIC.
THERE'S NO STRUCTURAL OR ISSUES WITH HOW THAT'S GONNA BE MOUNTED TO THAT FACADE, BUT IT DOES STICK A LITTLE BIT ABOVE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS NEXT, AND THEN I'LL GET TO YOU, SIR.
UM, THIS IS ONCE AGAIN DIRECTED TO STAFF.
DO WE HAVE ANY HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS OF THIS BUILDING? WE DON'T.
UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S TYPICALLY NOT READILY AVAILABLE TO STAFF.
AND IT, AND IT APPEARS TO ME AS THOUGH THE, THE FACE OF THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY.
THERE'S LIKE A, UH, A STUCCO OVERLAY THAT'S TAKEN PLACE AND, UM, BUT IT, IT UNDOUBTEDLY ORIGINALLY HAD A CANOPY THAT IS ALL EVIDENCE IS CONCEALED NOW.
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GIVEN THE, UM, THE ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED TO THE FACADE AND THE LACK OF SORT OF ARCHIVAL DOCUMENTATION THAT WOULD TEND TO SUPPORT THE A APPLICANT, UM, IN THIS WITH MAYBE PERHAPS THE, THE REQUESTS THAT THE, THE LETTERS DON'T EXTEND ABOVE THAT SIGNAGE AS AS BEING, AS IT'S BEING PRESENTED.IF IT COULD BE MADE TO WORK WITHIN THE, THE HEIGHT OF THAT, UM, 32 INCH BAND, UH, BUT OTHERWISE HAVE IT BE WALL-MOUNTED, I JUST THINK IT WOULD KIND OF INTEGRATE BETTER IN WITH THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE.
IF THAT WERE THE CASE, WE WOULD BE F FINE WITH THAT.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR.
I THINK THAT THE, THE REAL, UH, PROBLEM WITH THE, WITH THE SIGNAGE IS THAT THE BUILDING HAS A PARTICULAR A ATTRIBUTE THAT'S BEEN EITHER RAISED OR THAT THAT'S THE ORIGINAL LOCATION OF THAT BAND.
THE SIGN IS REALLY KINDA DICTATED BY THE AVAILABLE SPACE OF THE BUILDING AND IT, AND IT IS THAT BAD.
SO EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OLD TIENDA SIGN, IT'S SLIGHTLY TOO BIG IN IT'S IN AND OF ITSELF.
SO W WITH RESPECT TO WHAT ALSO HAPPENS WITH THE, WITH THE TYPE STYLE, WITH RESPECT TO ITS, YOU KNOW, KINDA HISTORIC CONTEXT THAT I, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT YOU WOULD FIND A TYPE STYLE THAT IS ELONGATED IN THAT WAY.
SO IT WOULD BECOME MORE APPROPRIATE IF IT FIT WITHIN THAT BAND BECAUSE THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT HAVE EVEN BEEN A PAINTED ON, UM, SIGN.
UM, SO, SO TO ME, IN, IN ORDER FOR THE, UH, THE SIGNS TO BE APPROPRIATE, IT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO FIT UNDERNEATH THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE BRICK COURSE ON THE WINDOW OR THE STUCCO COURSE OF THE WINDOW.
UM, NOT, NOT THE, NOT THE SILL LINE, BUT THE, BUT THE BRICK LINE AND, AND RIGHT ABOVE THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE, UH, OF THE, OF THE, UM, I GUESS THE LINTEL OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE ENTRY.
AND EVEN THEN IT SHOULD MOVE UP ABOUT THREE INCHES AND MOVE DOWN ABOUT THREE INCHES SO THAT IT'S SITTING WELL BALANCED.
'CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT, THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WE'D BE WORKING KIND OF BACKWARDS FOR, FROM SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THAT EXISTS DOWNTOWN THAT IS REALLY OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, OUTTA KIND OF THE CONTEXT OF THE BUILDINGS.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAD ONE OTHER CASE SOMETIME BACK AND WE REALLY ALLOWED THE BUILDING TO KIND OF TELL US WHERE DOES THE SIGN GO SO THAT WE COULD ADVISE THE, THE SIGN PEOPLE.
AND, AND IN THIS, I THINK THAT THE, THE BUILDING IS, IS KIND OF INFORMING WHERE THAT SIGN GOES AND WHAT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SIGNS ARE EVEN MORE THAN A GUIDELINE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE SIGN PERSON IS THAT MAYBE YOU GO BACK, RESIZE IT, TAKE IT BACK TO YOUR OWNER, AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE, TO THE H R C FOR, FOR APPROVALS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH.
UM, I, I MIGHT, I MIGHT BE WELL IN THE MINORITY HERE, BUT I, I REALLY CONCUR WITH STAFF AND I HAVE KIND OF TWO, TWO REASONS WHY THIS ISN'T SITTING QUITE WHY, RIGHT.
I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIGN REPLACEMENT, UM, THE, THE SIGNAGE GUIDELINES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PRETTY, PRETTY CAREFULLY IF THIS, THE EXISTING SIGN WERE TO BE RESTORED OR, UH, REPAIRED AND KIND OF TREAT, TREAT IT AS AN ELEMENT THAT IS REFURBISHED.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S NECESSARILY CONTRIBUTING, BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S A REPAIR, IT'D BE ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTIVE OF A REPAIR.
BUT THIS TO ME IS A NEW SIGN, A REMOVAL OF THAT SIGN AND A NEW SIGN.
AND I THINK IN THE MAJORITY OF CASES THEY, THEY SHOULD BE COMPLYING WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SO, UH, I UNDERSTAND, UH, SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DIFFERENT THOUGHT, BUT I, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED TODAY.
COMMISSIONER GROUP, MR. CHAIR, ON A QUESTION ON THAT.
UM, WHAT'S THE NAME, WHAT'S THE REASON BEHIND THE CHANGE OF NAME? IT'S A NEW OWNER AND THAT, THAT'S MOSTLY THE REASON WHY WE SEE NEW SIGNS COMING UP.
IT'S WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE OF OWNER, CHANGE OF BRAND.
AND I GUESS THAT'S THE CASE HERE IT IS.
AND HE WANTS TO PUT HIS BRAND AND NAME ON IT AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT HE PURCHASED.
I MEAN, I COULD DO A MOTION AND SEE HOW IT GOES IN THE COMMISSION, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY BE IN LINE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS SAYING, COMMISSIONER OF ALASKA, TO KEEP IT WITHIN THAT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO.
I MEAN, AGAIN, WE SIZED THIS BASED UPON HAVING A SIGN UNDER 50 SQUARE FEET.
NO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR IT'S 50 SQUARE FEET FOR BOTH SIGNS AND I THINK YOU WERE A LITTLE BIT OVER, SO NOW WE CAN ACTUALLY KEEP THAT.
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WELL IT'S TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NOT FAIR SIGN.YEAH, I THINK WE'RE STILL GONNA BE DEFINITELY UNDER THAT.
SO LET'S JUST CONSIDER THAT SURE.
PART OF THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTAND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE OTHER SIGN, THE LITTLE ONE DOWN BELOW AND WELL THAT WILL GO DOWN PROPORTIONALLY ALSO.
SO IF WE REDUCE THE ONE ABOVE IT, THAT WILL GO DOWN PROPORTIONAL ALSO THE THE ALUMINUM PANEL.
SO I MEAN, JUST SAY MOTION TO APPROVE THE SIGN AS SUBMITTED WITH THE, UH, BY THE APPLICANT TODAY WITH THE STIPULATION TO KEEP THE SIZE OF THE SIGNAGE HEIGHT AND, UM, BALANCED WITHIN, AND I THINK STAFF HAD A GOOD WORD FOR THAT.
WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT SIGN BAND? UH, YOU JUST CALL IT A SIGN SIGNAGE BAND.
THE SIGNAGE BAND, LIKE THE CONCRETE SIGNAGE, LIKE THE BAND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE SET FOR, CURRENTLY USED FOR THE CURRENT SIZE, UH, OF THE SIGN.
AND JUST TO KEEP THE TOTAL SIGNAGE BELOW 50 SQUARE FEET.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MR. CHARGE, YOU'D LIKE TO ASK THE SIGNAGE GENTLEMAN A QUESTION OR THE REPRESENTATIVE A QUESTION? YES, MR. SIR, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE FARM, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THE FONT STYLE WILL CHANGE AND BECOME A FATTER FONT OR WOULD IT BECOME PROPORTIONALLY SMALLER AS AN ELONGATED? NO, FONTS ARE ALL SET BASED UPON THE LETTER STROKE AND THE WIDTH AND HEIGHT.
UH, SO WHEN YOU TAKE A REDUCTION IN IT, IT, IT'S A UNIFORM BASIS ACROSS THE PLANE OF EACH LETTER, OH PORTION, ALL THE FONTS ARE ALREADY SET.
FONTS PERIODICALLY, BUT THIS WOULD BE JUST A COMPLETE REDUCTION OF THAT DOWN TO FIT IN THAT FASCIA AREA.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
AS A REMINDER, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20, UH, 200 RIVER WALK HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 0 5 1 4 19 NORTH.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF WITH A NEW COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF.
TWO, TO REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS WITH NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS.
EXISTING WINDOWS ARE A COMBINATION OF WOOD AND ALUMINUM.
THREE, PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES PORCH FORM, INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TO THE PO ROOT, PO, EXCUSE ME, PORCH, ROOF, AND ENTRY DOOR FOR PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF WINDOWS WITHIN THE EXISTING PORCH AREA, THE REMOVAL OF ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH FACADES, MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIZES AND LOCATIONS OF ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS AND THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW WINDOW OPENINGS ON EACH FACADE.
TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO FEATURE AN OPEN AIR REAR REAR PATIO.
AND SIX, TO INSTALL A FRONT REAR YARD FENCE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND, EXCUSE ME.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D WITH A STIPULATION THAT ALL ORIGINAL ROOF FORMS AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ARE PRESERVED, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO.
THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL WINDOW, EXCUSE ME, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL WOOD WINDOWS BE PRESERVED.
THE REPLACEMENT OF NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND DOORS MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT REPLACEMENT OPTIONS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOW REPLACEMENT WINDOWS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, PORCH ROOF MODIFICATIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORIC PORCH FORM AND PORCH ROOF FORM BE PRESERVED.
ALL DENTAL MOLDING AND ORNAMENTAL ORNAMENTAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND REPLICATED.
A SAMPLE MOCK MUST BE PROVIDED TO STAFF TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL EXISTING WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS BE PRESERVED.
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STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE.THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS H THROUGH L STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ADDITION FEATURE FOOTPRINT, MASSING, ROOF FORM MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, INCLUDING FENESTRATION PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR ADDITIONS.
AND SIX STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX.
THE INSTALLATION OF SITE FENCING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN, INCLUDING INFORMATION REGARDING THE LOCATIONS OF FRONT AND REAR YARD FENCING SHOULD BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
ALL FENCING SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS.
THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE IN PERSON.
UH, AND, UH, AS A REMINDER, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ITEM.
CAN I BRUSH? YES MA'AM, PLEASE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS ISABEL FONTANA AND WE ARE REQUESTING, UH, AN APPROVAL AND REPLACING THE WINDOWS FOR ALUMINUM.
UM, WE HAVE A MIX OF, OF WINDOWS RIGHT NOW ON THE PROPERTY.
AND OUR NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S A, IT'S AT LEAST SIX BRAND NEW HOMES THAT ARE AROUND THE BLOCK.
SO WE WILL BE CONSTANT, WE WILL BE EQUAL OF THE SAME PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN OUR BLOCK.
SO IF YOU ALLOWED US TO DO THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND THE DOORS INSIDE THE HOUSE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOORS WHEN WE PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND THE FRONT DOOR, WE PUT SOMETHING PROVISIONAL THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S ACCORDING TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT WE CAN REPLACE IT WITH A ALUMINUM AND GLASS DOOR.
IF YOU GUYS ALLOWED US AND THERE'S EVERYTHING ELSE WE AGREED TO COMPLAINT WITH YOUR REQUEST AND SUGGESTIONS, I'LL, UH, STAFF WILL PLAY THE VOICEMAIL AT THIS TIME.
MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH DITY HILL.
I'M CALLING TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DITY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 5 1 LOCATED AT FOUR 19 NORTH.
MONUMENTAL, WE AGREE WITH ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT CONSIDERING THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS ALREADY BEEN CITED FOR O H P GUIDELINE VIOLATIONS, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE STAFF DILIGENTLY MONITOR THIS CASE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL STAFF GUIDELINES.
HE HAS BLATANTLY PROVEN THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY REGARD FOR O H P GUIDELINES, WHICH IS DIRECTLY AFFECTING OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHITTY HILL ENCOMPASSES ONLY ONE SQUARE MILE OF HIS HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
AND THE NECESSITY TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE THESE HISTORIC HOMES IS INVALUABLE.
THERE ARE LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO WHERE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS ARE AVAILABLE FOR SALE.
WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BUYING WINDOWS FROM THESE LOCATIONS OR AS STATED BY NEW WINDOWS WITH THE MATERIAL RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHERE HEFTY FINES AND FEES NEED TO BE ENFORCED TO SEND A MESSAGE TO OTHER APPLICANTS AND HOPEFULLY GIVE THEM PAUSE BEFORE THEY COMPLETELY DESTROY OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SINCE THIS IS A PRETTY COMPLICATED CASE, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE STAFF TO, UH, WALK THROUGH THE REQUEST ITEMS ITEM BY ITEM, UH, TO EXPLAIN WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, WE CAN DO THAT.
UH, SO ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED ROOF REPLACEMENT, UH, THEY PROPOSED REPLACEMENT IN KIND STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
UH, STAFF'S PRIMARY RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO ACCOMPANY THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL IS THAT ALL ROOF FORMS BE MAINTAINED.
UH, AND SO, UH, ROOF FORMS AND ORNAMENTAL ELEMENTS.
SO ANY SHAKE SHINGLES, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, FROM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, UH, PHOTOS OF THE, UH, WRAPAROUND PORCH ELEMENT, UH, WITH THE ROUNDED FASCIA AND DENTAL MOLDING.
UH, BUT ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE SHAKE, SHINGLES, THE EAVES, THE, THE DEPTH OF THE EAVES, ET CETERA, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THOSE BE PRESERVED AS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST.
UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS.
UH, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, THE SOLID MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY INTACT IN THE HOUSE ARE ALUMINUM.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT WINDOW HERE BELOW THE, OR WITHIN BELOW THE GABLE IS ALUMINUM.
UH, THE WINDOW THAT'S ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION BELOW THE BAY IS ALUMINUM.
THE THREE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE THREE OPENINGS
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ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OR NORTH FACADE ARE ALUMINUM.UM, THERE IS ONE WOOD WINDOW THAT WAS REMOVED AND DISCARDED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AT SOME PLACE THAT WINDOW WAS INSTALLED.
UH, SO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WINDOW, WINDOW, UH, BE MAINTAINED, BE REPAIRED AND BE REINSTALLED.
UH, OBVIOUSLY IF IT CAME FROM THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING AN ADDITION.
UH, SO EITHER WITHIN THE ADDITION OR IF THE APPLICANT'S STILL PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, UH, WITHIN AN OPENING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SIZE THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THAT WINDOW.
UH, THAT IS AN ORIGINAL WINDOW THAT'S ORIGINAL TO THIS STRUCTURE.
UH, SO I'LL SCROLL DOWN TO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, UH, TO MODIFY THE PORCH.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE ORIGINAL PORCH FORM GENERALLY GOES ALONG THIS LINE.
UH, THIS IS A WALL, AN ORIGINAL WALL.
THE PORCH HERE FORMS AN L SHAPE AND THEN COMES BACK OUT.
ORIGINALLY THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A ROUNDED PORCH, ROOF AND FASCIA HERE.
THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE DENTAL MOLDING IN THE OLD, UM, STREET VIEW PHOTO.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED TO, UH, DISREGARD THAT ORIGINAL FORM AND TO CONSTRUCT, UH, MORE OF A SQUARE FORM.
UH, THAT WOULD ONLY COVER, UH, THIS GENERAL PORTION OF THE ROOF HERE WITH STEPS LEADING TO THE SOUTH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE PORCH ROOF TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ORIGINAL ROOF.
UM, REGARDLESS OF OF HOW THIS REMOVAL TOOK PLACE, THE APPLICANTS NOTED THAT, UM, WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM A WHOLESALER, IT WAS ALREADY REMOVED.
UM, HOWEVER, STAFF FINDS THAT IF A PORCH IS GONNA BE REBUILT, IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE ORIGINAL FORM BE REBUILT, UH, AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM, I BELIEVE, UH, FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS.
UH, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UM, WE'LL START WITH THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED TO MODIFY THE SIZE OF THE OPENING HERE, AS WELL AS PUT A WINDOW IN THE EXISTING ATTIC VENT.
UM, ON THE, UH, NORTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE RIGHT ELEVATION, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED TO MODIFY AND SHIFT WINDOW OPENINGS.
UH, THERE SHOULD ALSO BE A WINDOW OPENING SOMEWHERE IN THIS LOCATION.
UH, SIMILAR MODIFICATIONS ON THE SOUTH FACADE.
UH, THIS WINDOW, WHICH IS A REGULAR SIZE WINDOW UNDERNEATH THE GABLE, HAS BEEN MODIFIED AND SHIFTED IN SIZE.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS AGREEING TO THIS, IS THAT ALL EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS BE MAINTAINED IN THEIR EXISTING SIZE AND LOCATION.
I DO BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO, UH, SPEAK ON THE FRONT WINDOW.
UH, THE FRONT WINDOW ITSELF HAS BEEN MODIFIED IN SIZE AND SO THE APPLICANT, UH, I BELIEVE WANTS TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ON THAT.
WE CAN RETURN TO THAT ITEM IN A SECOND, UH, TO KEEP US MOVING.
UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION, UH, PRIMARILY THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION AT THIS LOCATION IS APPROPRIATE.
UH, STAFF'S COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT IS THAT THE FOOTPRINT NEEDS TO, UH, BE REDUCED IN REGARDS TO THERE NEEDS TO BE A SETBACK TO DIFFERENTIATE THE ADDITION FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
UH, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A SUBORDINATE ROOF FORM.
UH, THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE IS, UH, PRETTY WILLING TO MATCH THE MATERIALS AND PROFILES AND DETAILS AND WINDOW SIZES THAT ARE FOUND, UH, ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UH, AND SO THOSE ARE TYPICAL, UH, DETAILS THAT STAFF CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST REQUEST IS FOR SITE FENCING.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOS THE APPLICANT HAD INSTALLED, UH, FOUR BY FOURS, UH, THAT WERE, UH, TO BE FENCE POSTS.
UM, STAFF IS PERF PERFECTLY FINE WITH THE INSTALLATION OF FENCING.
FENCING'S FOUND HISTORICALLY THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, UH, AND OF COURSE, PRIVACY FENCING IS APPROPRIATE.
UH, HOWEVER, UH, WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, THAT ALSO MAY TELL, UH, PROVIDE INFORMATION IN REGARDS TO ONSITE PARKING OR DRIVEWAYS.
UH, BUT THAT'LL SPECIFICALLY NOTE THE LOCATION OF, OF FENCING AND ENSURE THAT FENCING IS, UH, INSTALLED AT THE APPROPRIATE HEIGHT AND APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS.
UH, SO, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT A SPECIFIC ITEM, UM, I WILL HELP THE APPLICANT, UH, NAVIGATE THAT WITH THE COMMISSION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE JUST A QUICK GENERAL QUESTION.
I KNOW IT'S NOT AN ITEM THAT'S, UH, UNDER CONSIDERATION, BUT IT'S WITHIN THESE DOCUMENTS AND IT SORT OF, FOR ME, RAISES SOME REAL ISSUES ABOUT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE ON, UM, ON SS ONE OF ONE, THE STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION PLAN, IT IS SHOWING A SLAB ON GRADE
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FOR THIS STRUCTURE.IS THAT FOR REAL? ARE THEY REALLY REPLACING THE ENTIRE FOUNDATION WITH A SLAB ON GRADE? I, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER.
UM, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD SUPPORT, OBVIOUSLY, WE'D RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAIN THE EXISTING, UH, PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION.
UH, WOULD YOU HAVE BEER, PIER AND BEAM? THAT'S WHAT IT WE WANNA USE.
AND I, IT ACTUALLY, I MEAN, IT APPEARS THAT THE FOUNDATION AT SOME POINT HAD BEEN REPAIRED.
THE PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION, THEY'RE CONCRETE PI, UH, AT THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A A YEAH, KIND OF AN, AND MY FIRST INSTINCT WAS, OH, THIS IS BEING PROPOSED FOR JUST THE ADDITION, WHICH I THINK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER WAS SAYING, BUT IT IS FOR THE, THE FOUNDATION PLANS FOR THE ENTIRE HOUSE.
UM, AND AS, AS, UH, MR. HALL SAID WOULD BE REALLY OUT OF LINE WITH, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE STANDARDS.
SO THAT, THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME.
BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR LEADING US THROUGH THOSE ITEMS. THE CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GROUP, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER SINO.
OH, IF YOU WERE FIRST, NO, I MEAN, UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, AFTER IT WAS FILED, UM, I WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH ON, ON GOOGLE MAPS TO SEE SOME HISTORIC PICTURES.
I, I DO BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT FRONT DORMER, I DO AGREE WITH STAFF ON THAT.
WE'LL HAVE TO REBUILD THAT, UM, FRONT PORCH STYLE, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY THERE.
UM, I FOUND ALSO IN SOME PICTURES, SOME SMALL DORMERS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROOF, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT I'M SURE THE ROOF WAS GONE WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT OR, YEAH, EVERYTHING WAS GONE.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT WE DID WAS CLEAN A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROPERTY TO START WORKING.
OBVIOUSLY WE WERE WAITING FOR THE APPROVAL, BUT WE JUST CLEANED IT UP.
AND WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BACK IS THE TRASH THAT WE TOOK OUT OF THE HOUSE.
SO YOU DID THAT, LIKE I SEE A WINDOW.
SO YOU TOOK OUT THE WINDOWS? NO, WE JUST CLEAN IT.
THE, EVERYTHING WAS TRASH INSIDE THE HOUSE.
SO THE SIDING, THE, THE, THE WOOD SIDING THAT'S RIGHT NOW, PUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE.
THE ONLY THING WE DID WAS JUST PUT OUT A FRONT DOOR TO KEEP THE, UH, PEOPLE COMING INSIDE.
THEY WERE SLEEPING INSIDE THE PROPERTY.
IT WASN'T EVEN FLOORS INSIDE OR WINDOWS OR DOORS OR ANYTHING.
SO WE HAD TO PUT PLAY WOOD TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH STAFF ON, ON ALL OF IT.
AND, AND WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT ALUMINUM WINDOWS, I THINK WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING IS THE LM CLOUD WINDOWS FOR THE, FOR THE PART, THE SECTION OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ALUMINUM RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WHEN THERE IS A WOOD WINDOW, YOU CAN'T FIND WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, IF IT'S EASIER, MAYBE I WOULD SAY A SITE VISIT, BECAUSE IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT, WE DO HAVE JUST ONE WOOD WINDOW AND, AND THE LIVING ROOM, I GUESS, BUT THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS ALUMINUM.
IF YOU WANT US TO KEEP IT, WE WILL WORK IT OUT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE OKAY.
IT'S JUST, I THINK IT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ALSO ABOUT IS THE FENESTRATION CHANGES AND THE DOORS AND, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, SO WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS I DO AGREE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.
I PROBABLY WOULDN'T CHANGE ANY OF THEM, BUT IF IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND OR MAYBE WANTS TO EXPLAIN SOME, SOME OF THE REASONINGS BEHIND I WOULD I ENTERTAIN A SITE VISIT.
UM, A COUPLE OF ITEMS. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT UM, I GUESS THE FIRST YOU WERE GOING TO EXPLAIN OR, UH, TALK ABOUT THAT NEW WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE? OH, YEAH.
UH, IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, SINCE THE HOUSE HAS VERY SMALL WINDOWS, WE WERE PROPOSING TO PUT A PICTURE WINDOW THAT WILL BE PROBABLY ABOUT, UH, SEVEN BY EIGHT JUST IN THE FRONT, AND THE REST WILL STAY THE SAME AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND TO MY OBSERVATION ON THIS, UM, I DO THINK, UH, MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE VERY, VERY MANY TOPICS ON THIS, ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
A LOT OF 'EM MORE THAN WE CAN, UM, SOLVE TODAY.
AND, UM, I WANTED TO KNOW, UM, IF YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO HOW DO WE DO THIS, UM, FULFILLING THE STIPULATIONS WITH STAFF SUPPORT AND STAFF'S ASSISTANCE AND THEN RETURN TO A D R C BECAUSE IT, THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, UM, IMPLY THAT THERE ARE SOME CONFUSIONS ABOUT BUILDING, UM, MATERIALS AND SYSTEMS, AND I AM RELUCTANT TO, UM, GIVE YOU A LAUNDRY LIST AND SAY, GO, UM, THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING PROJECT.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE OKAY THAT YOU GUYS CAN COME AND HELP US OUT AND LIKE, UH, UH,
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YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IN THE BACK.IT HAS TO BE SOME SETBACKS, SO WE'LL OPEN TO SEE WHAT IS, WHAT YOU GUYS WANT US TO DO, AND WE WILL DO IT.
UM, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS, UH, FINDING THE WOOD WINDOWS OR HAVING JUST ONE AND THE OTHER ONES ARE NOT GONNA MATCH.
AND THAT'S WHAT A SITE VISIT YES.
A EITHER A D R C SIT DOWN AFTER DRAWINGS HAVE BEEN UPDATED OKAY.
WITH, UM, STAFF'S, UH, SUPPORT AND, AND ASSISTANCE OR A SITE VISIT WHERE WE COULD, UH, CORRECT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, AND, AND TO PROVIDE, UH, STAFF CAN DO THAT.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT I THINK, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, I, I WANNA CLARIFY, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
UM, THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE CURRENTLY HAS WINDOWS THAT ARE IN NO WAY, UH, SIGNIFICANT OR CONTRIBUTING TO THE STRUCTURE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WOOD WINDOW.
UM, WITH THE APPLICANT'S ABILITY PER THE U D C TO REPLACE IN KIND, THE APPLICANT COULD POTENTIALLY FIND AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT GENERALLY MEETS STAFF STANDARDS.
HOWEVER, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A WINDOW THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOUSE, MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
UH, AND SO STAFF WANTS TO PROVIDE, UH, THAT RESOURCE TO THE APPLICANT TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY WINDOWS PAST JUST A SIMPLE, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY A SPECIFIC BRAND ALUMINUM WINDOW.
THAT WOULD BE AN EASY REPLACEMENT.
UM, I DO, UH, WANT TO ASK THE COMMISSION IF, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ITEMS, UH, FOR THIS STRUCTURE THAT, UM, FOR INSTANCE, ROOF REPLACEMENT, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT COULD CERTAINLY GET AN APPROVAL FOR.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY MAY NOT DO THE ROOF WORK UNTIL, UM, THEY GET APPROVAL OF THEIR ADDITION.
UH, BUT, UM, WE WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IN REGARDS TO, UH, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PORCH, THE MAINTAINING OF THE EXISTING WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS, YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTOS THE WOOD SIDING IS IN RELATIVELY GOOD CONDITION.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY MISSING IN SOME PLACES.
SO THERE'S ITEMS THAT WE COULD ALSO WORK ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, I DO THINK THAT, UM, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED FOR A SITE VISIT, UM, SIMPLY SO THAT THE COMMISSION CAN SEE THE STRUCTURE IN PERSON AND THEN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE MAY BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, EXISTING WINDOWS OR EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UNLESS, UH, WE HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS, AND I'M WONDERING STAFF, DO WE HAVE, UH, EXCUSE ME, STAFF, DO WE HAVE A HAND WAVING FEATURE ON THIS, UH, DIGITAL THING SO THAT THOSE THAT ARE, UM, APPEARING REMOTELY CAN SIGNAL THERE? THERE IS, BUT UM, MAYBE WITH THE ACTUAL, UH, WAY THAT WE ARE VISUALLY SEEING IT WITH ME SHARING THIS DESKTOP SCREEN AND, UH, THE SMALLER WINDOW IN THE CORNER, UH, IT MAY BE A LITTLE HARDER TO, UH, SEE WHO'S RAISING THEIR HANDS, UH, AND WHEN THEY'RE RAISING THEIR HANDS.
YEAH, I THINK CHAIR WOULD, UM, LIKE TO SEE THE HAND RAISED AND THAT WOULD WOULD HELP WITH COMMENTS.
WELL, WELL, THE HAND'S BEEN RAISED THERE AND NOBODY'S SAID ANYTHING ON THEY CAN'T SEE IT.
WELL, I'M SORRY, BUT WE DID NOT SEE FAIR, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, BUT THE HA MY HAND'S UP THERE RAISED.
WELL, NOW YOUR PICTURE'S ON THE SCREEN PREVIOUSLY IT WAS NOT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW THE HAND'S NOT UP, THEN SOMEBODY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
BUT WHAT IF THE HAND IS UP AND THERE'S OTHER TECHNOLOGICAL ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT NOT SUCH A GOOD IDEA.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.
I, I'M, UH, I HAVE A CONCERN, UH, ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK, I THINK STAFF IS, IS REALLY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTA COMMEND STAFF AND I, AND I, AND I, I DO WANNA COMMEND EDWARD, UH, ESPECIALLY EDWARD, BECAUSE YOU DO SUCH A GOOD JOB AND YOU WORK SO HARD AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE A LOT FROM STAFF, FROM, FROM, FROM, UH, THE COMMISSION.
I KNOW FROM ME, I MEAN SO CRITICAL.
BUT I JUST WANT TAKE THAT SECOND MR. CHAIR TO TELL EDWARD THAT, THAT HE'S SUCH A PROFESSIONAL.
IT IS JUST, UH, UH, UM, I MEAN, JUST EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW THAT EDWARD WORKS VERY HARD AND HE'S VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES.
THAT BEING SAID, MR. CHAIR, UM, THE, UM, UH, CONCERN I HAVE IS WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF THE SPECIFICITY OF THINGS THAT ARE GONE, THAT ARE NOT GONE AS A RESULT OF ANYTHING THAT THIS OWNER DID.
BECAUSE IN THAT CONTEXT, COMPLETELY REDOING, YOU KNOW, THE PORCH AS IT WAS, I THINK IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF A FALSE HISTORICISM.
SO I, I THINK IF, IF THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS ARE
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EXISTING AND THE ORIGINAL DOOR OPENINGS ARE EXISTING, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WINDOWS IN THERE, IT'S STILL, THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE FOR THE, THE WINDOW TO BE REPLACED IN, IN, IN A SEMI, IN A, IN A, IN A QUASI INKIND WAY.IN, IN OTHER WORDS, IN THE WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF'S STIPULATION, RIGHT? UH, IN THE ORIGINAL SIZING OF THE HEADER AND THE JAMS THAT ARE THERE.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE, TO THE PORCH THERE, UM, IT'S ALMOST AS IF SOMEHOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PORCH DISAPPEARED AND THAT THE NEXT STORY THAT'S TOLD SHOULD INCLUDE HOW THIS PORCH DISAPPEARED.
YOU KNOW? AND, AND IN THAT I, I, I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE NOT OVERREACHING WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WE ARE OBLIGATING THIS OWNER TO HAVE TO, UM, TO HAVE TO ACHIEVE HERE.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S A, A VERY STRONG CONCERN I HAVE NOW WITH RESPECT TO, TO EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, UH, I, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SPENT ENOUGH TIME LOOKING AT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AT THE, AT THE, AT THE PLANS HERE.
I MEAN, WE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DRAWINGS ARE REAL IMPORTANT, UM, IS PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO LIKE THE POINT THAT MR. CARPENTER WAS MAKING THAT I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD YOU PUT A NEW FOUNDATION UNDER A HOUSE WITHOUT PICKING IT UP AND MOVING IT AND PUTTING IT BACK.
UM, BUT, UM, SO, UH, IT, IT, I I JUST, I JUST HOPE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE, IF WE MOVED INTO A A D R C WITHIN AND ALL OF THAT, THAT IT'S NOT JUST SOME POCKET DISCUSSION THAT'S GOING TO, UH, OFF THE RECORD, OBLIGATE THE OWNER TO RECONSTRUCT A CIRCULAR, UH, A SEMI-CIRCULAR PORCH THAT FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES IS NOT THERE NOW AND WAS NOT REMOVED BY THIS OWNER, AS HAS BEEN IMPLIED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
YEAH, NO, UM, I THINK, UH, I THINK A D R C I THINK BOTH A SITE VISIT AND OUR D R C MEETING WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
I THINK THE SITE VISIT IS WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY VISUALIZE SOME OF THESE CHANGES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO, AND WE COULD FURTHER DISCUSS THAT PORCH ELEMENT.
I THINK WHAT STAFF IS ACTUALLY ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S FIND A MIDWAY, THE PORCH THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT WAS, WHAT'S MIMICKING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT HISTORY OF THE HOUSE WITH THE STAIRS.
SO MAYBE WE CAN FIND A WAY OF JUST FINDING THAT MIDDLE GROUND.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY ANOTHER D R C AFTER WITH THE DRAWINGS IS I THINK YOU NEED TO TALK TO YOUR ARCHITECT.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THESE DRAWINGS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE DATED 2006, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE WITH THIS PROJECT OR WHAT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WRONG WITH THESE DRAWINGS AND, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THEM, OF COURSE, AFTER THE SITE VISIT.
SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET TO WORK ON SOMETHING THAT THEN WE'RE GONNA CHANGE.
AND THERE'S ALSO A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ON ONE OF THE DRAWINGS, AND THAT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
SO, UM, I KNOW MR. UH, HALL WAS SUGGESTING SOME OF IT COULD BE APPROVED.
I'M RELUCTANT ALSO BASED ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS, NOTHING AGAINST YOU, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALSO HEAR THEIR VOICE.
AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE, YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'RE NODDING A LOT TO THOSE THAT ARE VIRTUAL.
SHE'S NODDING AND COMPLYING WITH ALL THE THINGS WE'RE SAYING, SO I FEEL LIKE WE COULD ACTUALLY MOVE THIS FORWARD TOGETHER WITHOUT HAVING TO, IF THERE'S ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, CRUCIALLY EMERGENCE, SEE, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF, IF A NEW ROOF WOULD HELP YOU MOVE THE PROJECT FURTHER.
WELL, UM, FOR, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR PROPERTY, UM, BEFORE WE GET ALL THIS APPROVAL AND WE WORK WITH, WITH YOUR TEAM, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF WE CAN FENCE IT FOR, UM, JUST TO PRESERVE THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE AND, AND NOT HAVING, UH, VANDALISM IN THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU GUYS WILL APPROVE, THE DEFENSE STAFF COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE FOR A SET PERIOD OF TIME SECURITY, UM, IF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH.
UM, MY TAKE ON THIS IS THAT THERE'S GENERAL CONSENSUS AROUND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I THINK AN UPDATE IN THE DRAWINGS IS GONNA BE A CRITICAL WAY FORWARD AND, UH, SITE VISIT AND A D R C TO REVIEW THE UPDATED DRAWINGS IS THE, IS THE BEST ROUTE HERE.
UM, I AM ALSO SUPPORTIVE OF A CONSTRUCTION FENCE TO SUPPORT TO SECURE THE PROPERTY IN THE MEANTIME.
SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I WOULD MOVE THIS TO A D R C SITE VISIT AND A FOLLOW UP WITH UPDATED DRAWINGS IN A REGULAR D R C
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I SECOND THAT MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO, UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND WE'LL SCHEDULE THOSE MEETINGS AND, UH, THEY'LL ALSO WORK WITH YOU ON GETTING A CONSTRUCTION FENCE PERMIT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22, NUMBER 22, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 4 5.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE UNLESS THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS RECONSTRUCTED FOR H D R C.
APPROVAL FOR H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH SEVEN 16.
AND THE APPLICANT BRIAN SORE IS WITH US VIRTUALLY.
MR. SORE, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH, I CAN, COULDN'T UNMUTE IT.
UM, YEAH, THE, UH, ORIGINAL INTENT FOR THAT WAS TO, UM, CONVERT IT TO AN A D U, UM, ENGINEER'S REPORT CAME OUT AND SAID THAT IT WASN'T, UM, REHAB.
THE, THE FOUNDATION WAS REALLY, REALLY BAD.
ADDITIONALLY, THE, THE FRAMING WAS, UM, ROTTED IN A WHOLE LOT OF PLACES.
I, IT MAY BE MOOT, BUT I DON'T IF, IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE ENGINEER'S REPORT THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE FOUND THIS, HE SAID, SUGGESTED THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN LIKE 80.
UM, AND THE FRAMING MEMBERS WERE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES USED IN THIS HOUSE.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS A STRUCTURE THAT SHOWS UP ON A SANDBORNE MAP, UH, CIRCA 50 OR 60.
UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, I DON'T THINK IT WAS THIS STRUCTURE.
UM, SO WHAT HAPPENED NEXT WAS WE LIFTED IT OFF OF THE FOUNDATION WITH THE INTENT TO REPLACE IT, AND WE DID REMOVE ALL THAT SIDING, UH, SOME OF WHICH WAS REUSED ON THE MAIN HOUSE.
SUBSEQUENTLY THEN, UH, WE FOUND OUT THE HARD WAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE REQUISITE FALL FOR THE PLUMBING, AND AT THAT POINT, IT, IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE TO REPLACE HIS PROJECT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL.
MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET.
I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH FOUR FIVE, LOCATED AT 9 26 LAMAR STREET.
WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE PROPERTY NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE UNLESS THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS RECONSTRUCTED TO MEET PER H D R C GUIDELINES AS ORIGINALLY INSTRUCTED IN H D R C CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH SEVEN 16.
AGAIN, THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF APPLICANT'S BEING GIVEN DIRECTION AS TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THEIR HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND THE APPLICANT DOES SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WITHOUT OVERSIGHT BY O H P.
NOT UNTIL THE APPLICANT REBUILDS THE STRUCTURE SHOULD THEY BE ABLE TO QUALIFY AND SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION.
IN ADDITION, WAS APPROVAL GRANTED TO REMOVE THE FRONT
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SIDEWALK THAT LED TO THE FRONT DOOR BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN REMOVED.PLEASE SEE ATTACHED PHOTO IN OUR EMAIL.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, CAN YOU COMMENT ON STAFF RE RECOMMENDATION? ARE YOU NOT WANTING TO RECONSTRUCT THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE AT ALL OR ARE YOU WANTING TO JUST POSTPONE THAT? WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF REGARDING THE, UH, THE REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE, UH, BEING WITHHELD? UNLESS YOU, YOU RECONSTRUCT THAT STRUCTURE? NO, SIR.
I'M NOT INCLINED TO REBUILD A STRUCTURE AT THIS TIME.
AND HAVE YOU APPLIED FOR THAT SUBSTANTIAL, UH, REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE? I DID AND STAFF CAN CLARIFY.
UH, THIS APPLICATION CAME TO US AS A TAX INCENTIVE APPLICATION AND DURING THE, UH, STAFF REQUIRED SITE VISIT, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THERE WERE, WAS A VIOLATION ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
I'M, I'M IN, UH, AGREEMENT WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH STAFF ON THIS AND WOULD, UH, MOVE FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SHOULD THE APPLICANT IN THE FUTURE DECIDE TO RECONSTRUCT THIS STRUCTURE, COULD HE THEN REAPPLY FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVES? YES, HE COULD.
WELL, AND THIS ACTION WOULD REQUIRE THE RECONSTRUCTION.
SO ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE, THEN HE WOULD BE ABLE TO COME AND, UH, RECEIVE THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION INCENTIVES.
UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
CAN I HAVE A COMMENT AS NOW HAD I HAVE BEEN VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON TO MAYBE A SOLUTION FOR A NEXT MEETING? YES, MA'AM.
UM, WE ARE MAKING AN EFFORT TO BE HERE IN PERSON, SO MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE ALSO HAD A PREVIOUS ROLE THAT EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK ONCE, AND THEN THE SECOND ROUND IS AFTER EVERYBODY'S SPOKEN.
SO PRIORITY PEOPLE HERE BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR YOU THAN PEOPLE VIRTUAL.
AND THEN THE SECOND ROUND THE SAME WAY.
COULD THAT BE SOMETHING I DON'T HAVE TO BE VOTED ON ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, AND, AND I CAN ALSO DO A BETTER JOB OF KEEPING AN EYE ON EVERYONE I CAN SEE HERE BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN.
AND SO IF SOMEBODY DOES HAVE THEIR HAND RAISED OR IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ATTENTION, THEN I CAN LET JEFF KNOW.
YEAH, IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD WHEN YOU'RE SITTING VIRTUALLY TO DO GET THAT ATTENTION.
BUT I DO THINK THAT ONE THING THAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT, UM, PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING TWICE A THIRD WITHOUT BEING FIRST ASKED, ARE THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS FIRST? AND THEN THE SECOND ROUND.
I THINK, UM, KEEPING TABS OF THOSE VIRTUALLY, UH, BY STAFF AND I'LL TRY TO DO A BETTER JOB AS WELL.
UH, ALSO LETTING EVERYONE GET THEIR FIRST CHANCE FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BEFORE WE HAVE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS I THINK IS APPROPRIATE AS WELL.
UH, THE OTHER THOUGHT I HAD THIS WEEK WAS, AND UH, GOOD POINT TO BRING IT UP IS I COULD CALL EACH COUN, EACH COMMISSIONER BY TURN, BY NAME IN, IN ORDER OF, UH, DISTRICTS AND, UH, NOT TO PUT ANYONE ON THE SPOT, BUT UM, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THEY COULD PASS, BUT THAT WAY WE'D MAKE SURE WE GET TO EVERYBODY.
YEAH, IT'S JUST HARD 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S TIME CONSUMING AND WE'RE ALREADY
I'M ONE OF EXAM, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON ALL OF THEM, BUT, AND SOMETIMES I AM ALSO SPEAKING A SECOND TIME, BUT I ALMOST LIKE ASK, ARE YOU SURE EVERYBODY SPOKE AND FIRST BEFORE WE SPEAK THE SECOND TIME? I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST RESOLUTION.
AND I THINK WE ALL MAKE AN EFFORT TO COME DOWN HERE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT SHOULD, THIS SHOULD BE LIKE MAYBE THE FIRST JUST BECAUSE OF PRACTICAL REASONS AND WE'RE HERE PHYSICALLY.
I, IF I CHOOSE TO STAY HOME, UM, I THINK OUR PRIORITY IS WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IN-PERSON MEETING AS MUCH AS WE CAN UNLESS THERE IS, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK I DIDN'T COME PERSONALLY BECAUSE I HAD BEEN EXPOSED AND I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE, I DIDN'T HAVE MY TEST RESULTS UNTIL FRIDAY SO NEGATIVE.
BUT
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SHOW IN PERSON.WELL THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD, UH, SUGGESTION AND NEXT TIME WE WILL TRY THAT.
ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR ADJOURNMENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN NOMINATION? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S PREFERENCE UNTIL MORE OF US CAN BE IN PERSON AND I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE A FEW WEEKS OUT FROM THAT BEING AN OPTION.
SO I'LL, I'LL ACTUALLY LOOK TO YOU ALL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT.