* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. IS THAT BETTER? [00:00:02] SO, WELCOME TO THE FIRST TAC MEETING OF 2022. YOU'RE SO HAPPY I SAT HERE. UM, YEAH, I , BUT YOU CAN'T KICK ME. YOU'RE TOO FAR AWAY. UM, AND THE DELAYED, UH, 2020 U D C AMENDMENTS. WE'RE FINALLY EXCITED TO GET THESE, UH, MOVING FORWARD AND GET IT OVER WITH. GOOD. SO, UM, WITH THAT, WE, UH, THE MEETING CAN'T REALLY START FORMALLY UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW PHASES IN THE ROOM, UM, AND SOME NEW POSITIONS. SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE JUST GONNA START BY GOING AROUND THE ROOM AND INTRODUCING OURSELVES, SAYING WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO. AND, UM, THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE ON TIME FROM THERE. UM, SO I'M GEORGE PECK. I'M THE CHAIR OF THE TAC, I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, MY DAY JOB IS, I WORK FOR, UH, K C I TECHNOLOGIES, WHICH IS A CIVIL ENGINEERING COMPANY. UM, WHAT'S THE NAME? YEAH, . WE JUST, WE JUST MERGED, SO I KEEP SAYING THE OLD COMPANY NAME, BUT, UH, KARA KEEPS CALLING ME TO THE CARPET ON THAT . SO, UH, ANYWAY, WITH THAT WE WILL, UH, MOVE ON. I'LL START GOING THIS WAY, . ALRIGHT. HELLO. UH, MY NAME IS ALEX AMIRS. I, UH, REPRESENT THE, UH, COMMUNITY. UH, I'M A PRIMARY MEMBER ON THE COMMUNITY SIDE. UH, MY DAY JOB, I WORK FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULT CONSULTING FIRM, UH, FOR COLLIERS ENGINEERING BASED OUT OF HOUSTON, TEXAS. UM, YEAH, I GUESS, UH, GOOD MORNING OR AFTERNOON, MAYBE . ROBERT TAPIA. UH, I AM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PRIMARY, UM, AND BASICALLY THE ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING AGENT FOR MANY YEARS. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. UH, I'M, UH, ANOTHER ONE OF THE NEWBIES, CHRISTOPHER FULLERTON, UH, FROM D EIGHT. UH, MY BACKGROUND IS IN CULTURAL HERITAGE WATER LAW AND POLICY. AND, UH, I WAS A RECENT PARTICIPANT ON THE, UH, UH, I WAS A D EIGHT, I GUESS, APPOINTEE TO THE, UH, DRAINAGE FLOOD CONTROL, UH, BOND REVIEW COMMITTEE. GLAD TO BE HERE. HOWDY EVERYONE. I'M ALLISON COHEN. I REPRESENT THE, UH, PARKS BOARD AND, UH, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVEN'T SEEN ME FOR A LITTLE WHILE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO BE BACK AND HELPING OUT WITH THIS PROCESS. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JESSE VASQUEZ. I'M ONE OF THE NEW GUYS. UH, I AM FROM, UH, D 10 AND, UH, . MY NAME IS, UH, PHILLIP MANNA AND, UM, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE HENER LEON CREASE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND THEN ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF ALAMO FARMSTEADS C**K ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND SO I'M ONE, A PRIMARY, UM, COMMITTEE OR COMMUNITY MEMBER. I'M MIKE GARCIA. I'M CURRENTLY A, A PLANNER WITH THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, AND I'M RETIRED, UH, FROM THE AIR FORCE, DEBBIE REED. AND I'M A COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE AND DISTRICT TWO, AND I WORK FOR THE GREATER EDWARDS AQUIFER ALLIANCE AND IT'S A NONPROFIT. I'M BOB LEEMAN, I'M REPRESENTING THE ENGINEERING COMMUNITY. HI, I'M ERIC ESRA, JUST LIKE THE GUY FROM CHIP, UH, SO YOU CAN'T FORGET THAT NAME. UM, BUT ANYHOW, I REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY. I'M FROM, UH, DISTRICT SIX AND, UH, FOR MY DAY JOB, I WORK IN THE CYBERSECURITY WORLD. GOOD AFTERNOON. OH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, JULIA CAR JOHANNES. I AM THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE WELL PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, MY DAY JOB IS GOVERNMENT RELATIONS WITH C P S ENERGY. HELLO, MY NAME IS ROB SIPES. I'M REPRESENTING AS THE PRIMARY FOR THE ZONING COMMISSION WHERE I ALSO SERVE AS, UH, ITS VICE CHAIR. UM, DAY JOB IS AS AN ARCHITECT WORKING FOR MARMON MOCK. HELLO, MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I RESIDE IN DISTRICT SEVEN. I'M ONE OF THE NEWBIES ALSO REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY AS A PRIMARY. AND MY DAY JOB IS I'M AN E E O MANAGER. THANK YOU. HI, I AM KEN BROWN WITH, UH, BRANDON ORTIZ, LAND USE ATTORNEY. I AM A PLANNING PROFESSIONAL PRIMARY, UH, REPRESENTING DISTRICT 10. THANKS. MY NAME, MY NAME IS JODY CHERYL. UM, I REPRESENT, UH, I'M LIVING DISTRICT EIGHT AND, UH, DAY JOB, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. DURING TAX SEASON, I DO TAXES FOR LOW INCOME PEOPLE [00:05:01] THROUGH THE VIDA PROGRAM, ONE OF THE OLD TIMERS. AMEN. , UH, RYAN GANS, UH, WITH UP ENGINEERING. I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER, SO I REP, I'M A PRIMARY REPRESENTATIVE, UM, FOR THE REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SPOT SETH TEEL. I'M THE PRIMARY FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. I ALSO SERVE AS THE PRO TEM ON THAT, UH, COMMISSION DAYTIME JOB. I RUN OUR REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE, BUILD HOUSES, RENOVATE HOUSES, FORMERLY TRAINED, UH, IN PUBLIC POLICY IN URBAN PLANNING. UH, I'M ROBERT HANLEY. I'M IN DISTRICT 10, AND I'M A FILL THE PRIMARY SLOT FOR REGISTERED ARCHITECT. AND, UH, MY DAY JOB IS, I DO, I'M AN OWNER REP, PROJECT MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT. EXCUSE ME. I'M MICHAEL MOORE. I'M ONE OF THE EXPERIENCED MEMBERS. I'M A PRIMARY NON-VOTING, QUIT LAUGHING 'CAUSE I'M EXPERIENCED , UH, AND I'M SEMI-RETIRED. SEASONED. AND HOW COME IT DOESN'T SAY VERY EMERITUS BEHIND YOUR NAME? MICHAEL? I DON'T KNOW. HE'S SEASONED. I SHOULD TALK TO THE MANAGEMENT ABOUT THAT. SUSAN WRIGHT, UH, LIVE IN DISTRICT 10. AND, UH, I AM A, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN MY PRIVATE LIFE. AND THAT IS THE INDUSTRY I REPRESENT ON THIS COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. AND I'M KARA TACKETT. I LIVE IN DISTRICT NINE. I AM A CIVIL ENGINEER AND MY DAY JOB IS, I WORK FOR PIPE DAWSON, AND YES, I'M ALWAYS AS MUCH TROUBLE, ROBERT. EVERYBODY ELSE WILL LEARN THAT. GIRL. MR. CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE STAFF IS INTRODUCED AS WELL. OH, OH, SORRY. YES, YOU WALKED IN A LITTLE LATE. GO AHEAD. SORRY. HI, SORRY. UM, ASHLEY FAIRMONT. I'M A A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL, UH, REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND, UH, I'M A, A LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT AND ATTORNEY. THANK YOU. AND ASHLEY, FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S FOOD STILL IN THE TOBIN ROOM IF YOU WANT ANY. THANK YOU. YES. UM, JUST REAL QUICK, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU, UH, ALSO THE NEW FACES GET TO SEE AND HEAR FROM THE STAFF. SO JUST, UH, REAL QUICK, I'M MELISSA RAMIREZ, I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND WE'LL GO DOWN THE LINE HERE. ALRIGHT. HELLO EVERYONE. MY NAME IS LOGAN SPARROW, I'M THE POLICY ADMINISTRATOR FOR D S D. HELLO EVERYONE. MY NAME'S MONIQUE MECADO AND I'M A PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH THE POLICY ADMINISTRATION TEAM. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. HI, VALERIE RODRIGUEZ, THE SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE POLICY ADMINISTRATION TEAM. JOSEPH HARNEY, ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS. SUSAN GWEN, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. KAT HERNANDEZ, I'M AN ADMINISTRATOR OVER OUR ZONING SECTION. UH, LAUREN CHAVEZ, SENIOR PLANNER FOR POLICY ADMINISTRATION TEAM. JUST SITTING RIGHT HERE IN THE FRONT BY THE COMPUTER. SO THERE YOU GO. AND RILEY BOER PLANNER FOR THE POLICY ADMINISTRATION TEAM. AND THEN WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN BEHIND YOU WHO IS AN ALTERNATE. DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SIR? HELLO? UH, I'M IN NONPROFIT AND THERE'S FOOD IN THE TOBIN ROOM IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOME TOO, SIR. BACK TO YOU CHAIR. OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYBODY TO MEET EVERYBODY IN PERSON. UM, WE STILL HAVEN'T HAD THE DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION, I DON'T THINK. THAT'S NOT, SINCE THERE ARE NO ACTION ITEMS OTHER THAN APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST, BUT IT'S ALL UNDER. I UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, SO PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS THIS MEETING STARTED AT RULES. UH, SO, SO PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I WANT TO KEEP THE MEETING ON MR. CHAIRMAN, SORRY. OR DO WE WANTED, UM, START THE MEETINGS AT ONE, NOT HAVE LUNCH. EVERYBODY EAT BEFORE YOU GET HERE AND START THE MEETINGS AT ONE. MY PREFERENCE PERSONALLY IS ONE O'CLOCK WE COME, START, START WORK. SO, UM, DITTO. ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? NOPE. DITTO. I SEE A LOT OF SHAKING HEADS. YES. OKAY. SO FROM NOW ON MEETINGS, WE'LL START AT ONE IN THIS ROOM. NO PROBLEM. CAN I, CAN I ADD ONE MORE TO THE DISCUSSION? YEP. I KNOW THIS IS A PAINFUL PART OF THE [00:10:01] DISCUSSION, SO I'M APOLOGIZE, BUT WE SENT A LOT OF CALENDAR INVITES OUT, . WE ALL LOVE THAT, MELISSA. SO, AND THEN WE SENT ONE EMAIL WITH JUST A CONSOLIDATED LIST OF DATES, UM, LIKE WE DO FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WE REALLY DON'T SEND OUT CALENDAR INVITES UNLESS IT'S A WEBEX, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE AS THEY OCCUR. BUT, UM, WE CAN DELETE ALL, ALL OF THEM OFF OF YOUR CALENDAR AND ALLOW YOU TO DO YOUR OWN SCHEDULING. UH, WE SEND OUT THE AGENDA THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING. THAT'S WHEN IT IS OFFICIALLY REQUIRED TO BE POSTED. SO, UM, THAT IS WHEN YOU WILL SEE THE MAJORITY OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE, WELL, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA. WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT SENDING OUT AN EMAIL BEFORE, UH, THE, MAYBE THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK TO, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE, UM, LOOKING AT. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN, IN THE MEETING. MELISSA, I MIGHT, JUST MY OPINION ON THE CALENDARS, IT'S JUST, IT'S ALREADY THERE. LEAVE IT ALONE. DON'T CANCEL EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE SO THAT WE GET ANOTHER 50 EMAILS WE CAN CANCEL OR MANAGE. BUT JUST LEAVE THEM AS IS. GIVE US THE LIST AND WE CAN UPDATE AND MODIFY GOING FORWARD. BUT DON'T DELETE EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE TO PUT US BACK THROUGH ANOTHER LONG GOT IT. PILE OF EMAILS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT HAVE ARE ON YOUR CALENDAR START AT NOON. SO REMEMBER, THESE MEETINGS WILL BEGIN AT ONE. YEP. OKAY. I CONCUR WITH THAT. I MEAN, IF EVERYBODY WANTS LONG, NEW EMAILS, GREAT. BUT NO, I WOULD SAY JUST LEAVE. THEY'RE ON THE CALENDAR. JUST LEAVE 'EM, JUST BE AWARE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HERE AT NOON. I MEAN AT ONE. SORRY, . SEE IT'S ALREADY CONFUSING. . IF I COULD, IF Y'ALL CAN MAKE SURE WHEN Y'ALL ARE TALKING TO TALK CLOSELY TO THE MIC, IT'S ME, KAT, BY THE WAY. UH, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES AVAILABLE AND IT'S BEING LIVE STREAMED. AND WHEN YOU'RE NOT, WHEN THEY CAN'T HEAR YOU OFF THE MIC, THEY CAN'T TRANSLATE AND WE CAN'T, AND PEOPLE WATCHING CAN'T HEAR YOU. AND YOUR MICROPHONES ARE CORDLESS. SO YOU CAN MOVE THEM CLOSER TO YOU. AND WE HAVE, UH, IT STAFF HERE, UM, TECHNICAL STAFF HERE, AV STAFF TO HELP. IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG. UH, WE WILL BE STARTING LIVE STREAMING. WE'LL CHECK IN WITH THE CHAIR AND OUR AV PEOPLE BEFORE WE, UH, BEGIN LIVE STREAMING WHEN THE MEETING BEGINS. TWO IN FOUR MINUTES. IN FOUR MINUTES. I HAD A QUESTION ON THE STOP TIME. IS, IS FIVE O'CLOCK A DEFINITE HARD STOP OR IS THAT JUST A PLACEHOLDER? JUST A PLACEHOLDER. OKAY. UH, 'CAUSE WHEN WE GET INTO REVIEWS OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING 15 TO 16 U D C AMENDMENTS ON EACH AGENDA. THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG DAY. SO, UM, IT'S THE PLACEHOLDER FOR NOW. UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE WE'RE GOING TO THAT TODAY. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO I GUESS MAYBE ONE OF THE ONLY OTHER THINGS WOULD BE, WOULD WE RATHER START AT 1230 AND BE OUT AT FOUR 30 THAN OUT AT FIVE O'CLOCK? I MEAN, I'M JUST, KAT, AM I TALKING CLOSE ENOUGH? ? OH, EVERYBODY AGREE ON ONE TO FIVE. I LIKE THE 1230 TO START PERSONALLY. DI YEAH, I LIKE 1230 AS WELL AS DO I, CAN WE, UH, CAN WE DO A SHOW OF HANDS AND, AND DO A VOTE ON THIS? IS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN A MEETING FOR THAT RIGHT. IN THE ACTUAL MEETING. THERE'S NOT A TIME CERTAIN FOR PTAC MEETINGS. SO WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS WE CAN CALL IT THAT. DO THIS. EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO START THE MEETING AT 1230? RAISE YOUR HAND. YEAH, WHO'S GOING? LET'S CALL KAREN. YEAH, , YOU ONLY HAVE ONE ARM ON THAT LOOKS LIKE A MAJORITY. LOOKS LIKE A MAJORITY. 13. IT WAS 13. WE HAVE HOW MANY? 20. 22. 22. SO THAT MOTION THAT'LL, THAT'LL MEETINGS WILL BE AT 1230. OKAY. AND STILL YOU WILL BE EATING LUNCH ON YOUR OWN AND THEN COMING TO THE MEETING. YEP. SO WE'RE HIT HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING. RIGHT? EXACTLY. 1230. DAWSON'S BUYING 1230 TO, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR FOR 1230 TO FOUR 30. RIGHT. BUT IT'LL END SOME OIL LINE BEFORE, SOME WILL GO LONGER THAN THAT. SO, MR. CHERYL, ARE YOU OKAY? HOW TO TRADE OFF? OH LORD. ELDER ALERT. ELDER ALERT. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, IT'S SUPPOSED TO NOT RING [00:15:02] . HE WAS LOOKING AT IT UNTIL, AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO RUN THESE MEETINGS AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AHEAD OF US OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. IT'S GONNA GET TEDIOUS, IT'S GONNA GET INTERESTING. UM, ATTENDANCE IS CRITICAL, UM, FOR YOU GUYS WHO ARE PRIMARY AND THE, UH, THE ALTERNATES IF THEY'RE IN THE ROOM. UM, SO MAKE AS MANY OF THEM AS YOU HUMANLY POSSIBLY CAN. UM, IF YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE A MEETING, I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE INSTANCES WHERE WE'RE ALL GONNA MISS A MEETING HERE AND THERE. UM, I ALREADY KNOW I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONFLICTS ON OUT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, BUT, UH, UM, PLEASE LET STAFF KNOW AS SOON AS YOU KNOW THAT AND, UH, THEY CAN MAKE SURE YOUR ALTERNATES ARE AWARE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HERE AND PLUGGED IN. SO STAFF WILL BE CONTACTING ALTERNATE RATHER THAN US. YES. YES. UH, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE MEETING, MR. CHAIR. WE'RE LIVE. OKAY. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT'S ONE O'CLOCK. WE ARE NOW LIVE FOR OUR FIRST TECH MEETING. WOULD STAFF PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL MS. CARILLO HAYNES. PRESENT. MR. GARCIA? PRESENT. MR. SIPES? PRESENT. MR. TEAL? PRESENT. MS. COHEN? MS. WRIGHT. MS. FAIRMONT PRESENT. MS. TACKETT? PRESENT. MR. LEEMAN? PRESENT? MS. MS. PAGAN PRESENT? MR. BROWN? HERE. MR. HANLEY? HERE. MR. FULLON? PRESENT. MR. TAPIA? PRESENT. MR. ES STRADA? PRESENT? MR. MANNA? PRESENT? MR. CHERYL? HERE. MS. REED? HERE. MR. RAMIREZ? PRESENT. MR. VASQUEZ? PRESENT. MS. MALDONADO? PRESENT? MR. NICKS? MR. MOORE? HERE. CHAIR PECK. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THE FOLKS THAT AREN'T HERE, DID THEY COMMUNICATE THAT TO STAFF? SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT SHOW UP, DID THEY COMMUNICATE TO YOU GUYS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE HERE? OH, I'M SORRY, MELISSA, FOR THE ONE THAT'S MISSING, DID THEY COMMUNICATE THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE? UM, EVERY, EVERYONE'S HERE EXCEPT THE ALTERNATES AND THEY DID SAY THEY WERE GONNA ATTEND VIRTUAL. OKAY. WHO IS, WHO IS THAT ONE? JOE. NICKS. JOE. OH, JOE. NICKS IS A PRIMARY JOE NOT HERE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. HE'S A, HE'S AN EXPERIENCE WORKER. OH. HE'S EXPERIENCED NON-VOTING. GOT IT. THANK YOU. YEP. SO WE'RE ALL HERE. HMM. CALL. ALRIGHT. UH, WE'LL MOVE ON. ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA MOVE FORWARD. I'M [Old Business  ] GONNA JUMP OVER EVERYTHING. GO TO OLD BUSINESS WITH APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 1ST, 2021. UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES OR A MOTION? ROBERT HANLEY. I MOVE. WE ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. HANLEY. SECOND. SECOND BY MRS. WRIGHT. ALL THOSE IN, IN FAVOR? UH, DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE YES. WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE. HMM. MS. YES. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. MR. GARCIA? I, I WOULD'VE STAND SINCE I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT'S FINE. MR. SIPES? YES. IS THAT IN THE BYLAWS? WHAT? MR. TEAL? YES. COMMISSION. MS. COHEN? YES. MS. WRIGHT? YES. MS. MONT? YES. MS. HACKETT ABSTAIN. I WAS NOT PRESENT. MR. LEEMAN? YES. MS. PLATON? YES. MR. BROWN ABSTAIN. MR. HANLEY? YES. MR. FULLINGTON ABSTAIN. MR. TAPIA? YES. MRSA? YES. MR. MANNA? YES. MR. CARROLL? YES. MR. REED ABSTAIN. MR. RAMIREZ ABSTAIN. MR. VASQUEZ ABSTAIN. MS. MALDONADO ABSTAIN. MR. MOORE NON-VOTING [00:20:02] CHAIR PACK? YES. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, WE WILL NOW [New Business  ] MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS A, UM, BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING U D C AMENDMENTS, SUBMITTALS. UM, I'M GOING TO, I GUESS, TURN THIS OVER TO LOGAN AT THIS STAGE. YES SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. UH, WE HAVE IT PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN HERE AS WELL, BUT I WANT TO START OFF JUST WITH AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S GONNA BE BEFORE THE TAC UH, THIS AMENDMENT CYCLE. UH, SO WE HAVE INFORMATION, UH, FOR 2021 AMENDMENTS AS THEY COMPARE TO WHAT WE RECEIVED IN 2015. SO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MEN OF AMENDMENTS RECEIVED WAS 234. THAT'S ABOUT 21% LESS THAN THE 296 WE RECEIVED BACK IN 2015. UH, THE 234 THEMSELVES, 191 OF THOSE 82%, UH, ARE INTERNAL. SO THOSE ARE SUBMITTED FROM, YOU KNOW, CITY DEPARTMENTS, UH, SAWS, C P S, UH, THE REMAINING 43 ARE FROM EXTERNAL PARTIES. UH, LAUREN, CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT? I'M NOT GONNA RUN THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE ONES THAT, THAT REALLY STAND OUT. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WITH 57 AMENDMENTS. UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAD 28, UH, PUBLIC WORKS WITH 44. UM, AND THEN O H P WITH 18 AMENDMENTS AS WELL, BUT A NUMBER FROM VARIOUS OTHER DEPARTMENTS. UH, IF WE LOOK AT EXTERNAL APPLICANTS, UH, WE HAD, UH, SEVEN FROM THE FOOD POLICY COUNCIL, NINE FROM THE GREATER EDWARDS AQUIFER ALLIANCE. UH, AND THEN 13 WERE SUBMITTED BY NUMEROUS DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT ALL, UH, UNDER THE ORGANIZATION OF THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, AGAIN, TOTALING 43 EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS. SO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TAC TO REVIEW SPECIFICALLY THOSE 43 EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS AND TO DETERMINE IF THOSE ARE EDITS OR CLARIFICATIONS. IF THE TAC DETERMINES THEIR EDITS OR CLARIFICATIONS, THEY AUTOMATICALLY WILL MOVE FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION. ANYTHING THAT THE T FINDS TO BE GREATER THAN AN EDITOR CLARIFICATION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SPONSORSHIP. UH, AND WHAT THE TECH CAN DO TODAY IS THEY CAN FORWARD THOSE ITEMS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A RECOMMENDATION THAT PLANNING COMMISSION SPONSOR THEM A RECOMMENDATION THAT PLANNING COMMISSION NOT SPONSOR THEM OR THEY CAN BE FORWARDED WITH NO RECOMMENDATION AT ALL. YES. THANK YOU CHAIR. OKAY. UM, NOW I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION IN THE EMAILS AND WHAT WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT TODAY, UM, AT TODAY'S MEETING. SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF ASK EVERYBODY IF WHO HAS HAD A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE 43 AMENDMENTS AND NOT IN ANY DETAIL SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT LANGUAGE, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT YET, BUT TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT, WITH ENOUGH CERTAINTY TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHETHER YOU WANNA MOVE THEM FORWARD TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR NOT. SO HAS ANYBODY IN THE ROOM, I GUESS A SHOW OF HANDS, ANYBODY THAT'S LOOKED AT 'EM AT ALL AT THIS STAGE IN THE GAME? YEAH, NOT ENOUGH. GEORGE BACK HERE. HIS HAND. UH, DO WE HAVE TIME FOR A PUBLIC FAMILY? IF I MAY. REAL QUICK, UH, MR. CHAIR, IF ANYBODY HAS THEIR MICROPHONE OFF, LET'S MAKE SURE WE TURN IT OFF AND ON. 'CAUSE WE ARE GETTING FEEDBACK AND WE ARE LIVE STREAMING AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYONE IN OUR, UH, VIEWING AUDIENCE CAN SEE. MR. CHAIR, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU. YES. UH, LEMME JUST FINISH THIS ITEM HERE FIRST AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. UM, OKAY. SO, UM, THOSE THAT FEEL COMFORTABLE, UH, DISCUSSING WHETHER TO MOVE ITEMS TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, FOR, UH, UH, SPONSORSHIP, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AT THIS STAGE IF WE ARE NOT COMFORTABLE AS A GROUP. IF MOST OF US ARE NOT COMFORTABLE, WE'LL PUSH THAT TO NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION THEN. SO IS ANYONE, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. CAN I ASK IF STAFF HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE EXTERNAL AND DONE WHAT THEY THINK IS THE CATEGORY ONE ADMINISTRATIVE, AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US WITH SOME OF THOSE SIMPLER THAT WE COULD LOOK THROUGH TO CLEAR OUT TODAY, THE PACKET THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THAT WE PRINTED OUT, WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THEM AND PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION ON EDITING, CLARIFYING, OR MORE THAN EDITING AND CLARIFYING. SO THAT IS STAFF'S, UM, RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU WILL. UM, THERE, UM, IF THERE IS DECISION THAT SOME OF THOSE ARE MORE THAN EDITING AND CLARIFYING, THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSION CAN HAPPEN AND, UH, THE, THE TAT CAN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THAT. OKAY. AND ONE MORE QUESTION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ON THE WEBPAGE, THERE'S AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT WE CAN SORT RATHER THAN TRYING TO FLIP THROUGH THE LIST [00:25:01] AS IS. YES. SO NOT THAT EVERYBODY KNEW THAT OR ACCESSED IT, I HAVEN'T LOOKED, BUT WHEN WE HELD OUR PTECH, UM, U D C MEETINGS AND POWERPOINT PRESENTATIONS, WE WALKED EVERYONE THROUGH THE WEBSITE. SO THEY SHOULD BE AWARE, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY PULL IT UP HERE TODAY IF ANYBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT IT. UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF WHERE EVERYTHING IS LOCATED. AND I SEE LAUREN DOING THAT ALREADY. YES, MA'AM. SO CLARIFYING, HAVE THESE BEEN THEN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN FRONT OF US, ARE THESE ORGANIZED BY EXTERNAL? SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE AS A PACKAGE. OKAY. SO THAT'S TO ME IS PROBLEM. I, YEAH, THOSE ARE ORGANIZED, I THINK IN ORDER THAT THEY CAME IN. OKAY. SO AT LEAST GOING FORWARD, I MEAN, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED, BUT IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WANNA SEE IT OR WE YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT TOO. IF, IF THAT'S EASIER, COULD WE DO THAT FIRST? YEP. I MEAN, PROCESS VERSUS JUMPING TO, INTO THE REVIEW. YEAH. WHICH IS FINE. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP ON THE AGENDA. AND WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS ONE IF WE WANNA TABLE THIS DISCUSSION. LET'S TABLE THIS TILL AFTER THAT PROCESS. UH, WERE, WERE WE ANTICIPATING HAVING THE, UM, THE PERSON THAT ORIGINATED THE UM, YES. AT EVERY MEETING, JUST LIKE WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST? OKAY, WELL THESE PEOPLE AREN'T HERE. NO, WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION ON TECHNICAL INFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR AMENDMENT. SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT EACH AMENDMENT, TECHNICAL LANGUAGE. WE'RE TALKING AT A HIGH LEVEL ABOUT PROCESS AND PROCEDURES FOR THE MEETING. OKAY. AND IF THERE IS TIME AND A CONSENSUS, THEN WE CAN GO INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE ACTUAL AGENDA ITEMS FOR, UM, U D C AMENDMENTS. BUT THAT'S WHAT GEORGE WAS MENTIONING IS THAT CAN BE PUSHED TO THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. BECAUSE OF THE CONFUSION THERE. IT WASN'T CLEAR AND I DIDN'T THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD'VE LOOKED AT THE 43 AMENDMENTS YET. OKAY. UM, LET'S MOVE. AND [Public Comment  ] WE HAD A GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK THAT WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM, SIR HERE AND, UH, MAKE SOME COMMENTS. WE NEED TO MOVE THAT AROUND. GIVE US ONE SECOND CHAIR. IN THE MEANTIME, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS REGARDING PROCEDURE. UM, I HAD SENT YOU AN EMAIL. UM, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE ARE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE IN OUR PROCEDURES. OKAY. YOU WANNA DO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY, . GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF. UH, MY NAME IS TONY GARCIA. I LIVE AT 2 43 EAST SATCH HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. I'M A STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBER FOR THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION AND ALSO CHAIR OF THE U D C AMENDMENT SUBCOMMITTEE FOR TIER ONE. THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS SUBMITTED AMENDMENTS ON BEHALF OF TIER ONE COALITION MEMBERS TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS. SOME COALITION MEMBERS HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR OWN AMENDMENTS, EXCUSE ME, INDEPENDENT OF TIER ONE. IN ADDITION, THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS ALSO SUBMITTED AMENDMENTS ON BEHALF OF ITS STEERING COMMITTEE, OR AMONG THE 234 AMENDMENTS SUBMITTED, UH, AMENDMENTS SUBMITTED. WE REQUEST DURING THIS AMENDMENT PROCESS THAT WE ACHIEVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY, ALLOWING FOR TRUE NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT. WE REQUEST THAT EACH AGENDA SCHEDULED BY THE COMMISSION BE SENT OUT ON A TAM TIMELY FASHION FOLLOW FOLLOWING, ALLOWING CITIZENS ENOUGH TIME TO SUBMIT THEIR COMMENTS OR TO ARRANGE THEIR SCHEDULE TO SPEAK FOR COMMISSION. WE ASK THAT NOTICE AGENDAS HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AND EXACT LANGUAGE ADVISING WHICH AMENDMENTS ARE TO BE HEARD. THE PTAC AGENDA FOR TODAY'S HEARING WAS QUITE AMBIGUOUS WITH HARDLY ANY DETAILS AND A DEADLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT COULD HARDLY BE MET BY MOST CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO AMENDMENTS BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL WERE POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE FRIDAY, FEBRUARY THE FOURTH. A PUBLIC COMMENT DEADLINE FOR P TTAC WAS GIVEN ON MONDAY, FEBRUARY THE SEVENTH, 8:00 AM WE REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSIONS GIVE SUFFICIENT TIME FOR CITIZENS TO REVIEW AND RESPOND WITH THEIR COMMENTS FOR THOSE EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS. A POSSIBLE, A POSSIBLE FAST TRACKING OF EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. A VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT IN THIS PROCESS. NEIGHBORHOODS TRULY WANT TO ENGAGE IN THIS AMENDMENT PROCESS, SO ALLOW US THAT RIGHT? AS CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, ITEM ONE B, WHICH IS, UM, WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE MEETING FORMAT [00:30:01] AND GENERAL HOUSEKEEPING STUFF. OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I CAN START AND LOGAN, YOU CAN CHIME IN IF YOU NEED TO. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO, UM, MENTION, UH, ALL OF THE EXISTING, UH, P TTAC MEMBERS, REMEMBER AND RECALL THAT WE DEDICATE PARKING FOR YOU, UH, NEW MEMBERS. WE HAVE, UH, DEDICATED PARKING SPOTS AS YOU COME INTO THE PARKING LOT. THEY'LL BE LOCATED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. THERE'LL BE CONES THERE THAT WILL, UM, ALLOW YOU TO PARK IN THAT AREA. AND THE SECURITY GUARDS ARE THERE TO HELP ASSIST IF, IF NEEDED. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF THAT. UM, NOBODY WAS THERE TODAY. OKAY. NO, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF THAT. THANK YOU. AND RIGHT, BECAUSE OF HOW MANY OF US YES, THERE IS QUITE A BIT. BEFORE IT WAS JUST ON THE STREET SIDE AND NOW IT IS BOTH AISLES OF THE PARKING LANE. SO, UM, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. WE'VE GROWN QUITE A BIT. UM, AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE MEETINGS STARTING AT 1230. SO WE'VE TAKEN NOTE OF THAT AND, UM, THE CALENDAR INVITES WILL STAY. UM, THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD. UM, AS WE ARE REVIEWING, GETTING INTO THE REVIEWS OF THE ACTUAL U D C AMENDMENTS, WE WILL BE SENDING YOU LANGUAGE, UH, IN EMAILS PRIOR TO THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA. UM, WE ARE, WE POST THE AGENDA ON FRIDAY, UH, THE DAY, THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING. UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER, THE AGENDA STAFF IS PUTTING ALL THE INFORMATION TOGETHER AND WE POST THESE AGENDAS ON FRIDAY MORNINGS. OUR GOAL IS TO TRY AND GET YOU THE INFORMATION IN ADVANCE BEFORE THE AGENDA IS POSTED SO YOU HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. THE, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE IS, UM, THERE'S 234 AMENDMENTS THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING. UM, THAT MEANS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE LOOKING AT 15 TO 16 U D C AMENDMENTS PER AGENDA. WE HAVE 15 MEETINGS SCHEDULED, LOGAN 15 MEETINGS SCHEDULED. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE'RE RUNNING OUR MEETINGS TIMELY, UH, WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON THOSE ITEMS. UM, AND SO THE EMAILS THAT WE SEND OUT BEFORE, THE CONCERN WE HAVE IS THAT UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF P D F FILES THAT CAN GO INTO AN EMAIL. UH, SO YOU MAY RE BE RECEIVING TWO OR THREE EMAILS AT ONE TIME IN ORDER TO EVALUATE THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE REVIEWED. THE OTHER OPTION IS, IS ALL THIS INFORMATION IS ON THE WEBSITE ALREADY. SO THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION. UM, AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING THE PAPER SPREADSHEETS, UM, HERE LIKE WE HAVE TODAY. AND WE'LL BE PULLING UP THE TEXT LANGUAGE IN THE MEETINGS. SO YOU WILL BE, BE REVIEWING THAT ELECTRONICALLY. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD A QUESTION OVER HERE. NO, NO. OKAY. YES SIR. WILL WE NEED, UH, WITH REGARDS TO PARKING, WILL WE NEED A PARKING PLACARD? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NO, SIR. UM, THE, THEY'LL KNOW THAT YOU ARE ONE OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THEY'LL ASK YOU AND YOU CAN JUST LET THEM KNOW. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YES SIR. SO, UM, SO, SO THE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE TALKED ABOUT, UM, POSSIBILITIES OR, OR OPPORTUNITIES TO PUBLISH, UM, THE AGENDA EARLIER. AND SO ON A COUPLE COMMISSIONS WE DO SEE A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE. IT'S A POSSIBLE TO, UH, TRY TO POST OUT A TE SCHEDULE, SAY A WEEK EARLY, UM, AND THEN FINALIZE IT ON FRIDAY SO THAT THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE LET THE PUBLIC KNOW KIND OF WHAT'S IN STORE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN FINALIZE IT, UH, THAT FRIDAY. I THINK WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS BECAUSE THESE ARE SO THAT HAP THOSE MEETINGS HAPPEN EVERY TWO WEEKS. THIS HAPPENS EVERY WEEK. THAT IS GOING TO BE A HUGE AMOUNT OF EFFORT TO GET DONE BETWEEN, UH, JUST A MATTER OF DAYS. IF THAT'S THE PATH WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD IN, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR OF PLANNING COMMISSION'S TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND COME UP WITH A PLAN ON HOW TO TACKLE THE U D C AMENDMENTS IN CATEGORIES OR, UH, BY CODE AND, UM, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW WE'RE GONNA BE REVIEWING THESE MOVING FORWARD, WHICH IS A POSSIBILITY THAT COULD HAPPEN. LIKE WE COULD, WE COULD SIT DOWN AND IDENTIFY WE'RE ALL GOING, THIS IS THE ORDER THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE THEM ON AND PASS THAT OUT TO EVERYONE SO YOU CAN START DOING YOUR HOMEWORK IN ADVANCE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD GET A, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A MASTER LIST OF, HEY, HERE'S THE ORDER WE'RE GONNA TAKE 'EM IN. SURE. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING TO, THERE'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA SLIP 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT ALL DONE IN ONE MEETING AND STUFF. WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE TO THE NEXT'S CORRECT. IN ORDER IN WHICH WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS YEAH. THE CATEGORIES. SO, AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, GEORGE. IF, IF WE CAN'T GET TO THE 15 OR 16 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND TAKE ACTION ON ALL OF THOSE, THAT MEANS THAT WHATEVER'S AT THE END IS GONNA BE PUSHED TO THE NEXT AGENDA. IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP A, A VERY CLOSE EYE ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT MEANS WE WOULD END UP HAVING TO ADD MORE MEETINGS. WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY COMMITTING A LOT OF TIME. WE WANT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY AND TACKLE ALL OF THAT IN WITHIN THE MEETINGS WE'VE ALREADY ALLOTTED. BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. [00:35:03] YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO I KIND OF HAVE A LIST. SO I'LL START WITH, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE TENTATIVE AGENDA. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY PREDICTIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AND TRACK WHERE WE ARE. IF WE CAN RANK THEM ALL AND GROUP THEM ALL IN, IN AN ORDER IN WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM. AND AS WE MOVE, THEY CAN TRACK IT AS TO WHERE WE ARE. BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN THE AGENDA POSTS ARE WE NOT GONNA POST THIS X, Y, Z NUMBER, AMENDMENT WILL BE DISCUSSED ON THE AGENDA. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE IDENTIFIED, UH, EACH CODE SECTION THAT IS GONNA BE REVIEWED AND, UM, TAKEN ACTION ON BY THE, UM, PTAC MEMBERS. AND THEN THAT APPLICANT OR THE AUTHOR OF THAT AMENDMENT WILL RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM D S D FROM THE POLICY ADMINISTRATOR. YES. THEY THAT THEY WILL BE HEARD ON THAT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THEM, BUT YES, THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE INVITED TO THE MEETING. SO EVERY SINGLE APPLICANT AND OR AGENCY, BECAUSE LET'S JUST TAKE FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE SUBMITTED A U D C AMENDMENT THAT'S IMPACTING OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING AS WELL. SO YES MA'AM. IN ADDITION TO THE AUTHOR. SO THAT WAY THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT IF THEY WERE AN AUTHOR AND OF AMENDMENT, THEY ARE GONNA RECEIVE AN INVITATION. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND THEN ALSO, SO THAT YOU COVERED THE LANGUAGE AND THEN I THINK THE TIMELINE, UM, THERE WAS AN EMAIL WE WE RECEIVED INTERNALLY FROM STAFF THAT SPOKE SPECIFICALLY TO EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS WANTING TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, I THINK WE HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION. SO I THOUGHT THAT LANGUAGE IN THAT EMAIL WAS A LITTLE A BIT PREMATURE SINCE WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT OUR TIMELINE FOR EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS. AND SO I'M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE THAT CREATES AMBIGUITY TO THE PUBLIC ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA KIND OF ACTION WE'RE GONNA TAKE TODAY. WHEN WE HAVE A VERY GENERAL NOTICE ON THE AGENDA THAT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC IN AMENDMENTS. IT SAYS ALL OF THEM ESSENTIALLY. SO I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT AS A CONCERN. AND THEN ALSO PUBLIC INPUT. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD ALL VALUE IS PEOPLE WHO WANNA ENGAGE IN CIVIC GOVERNMENT AND WANNA BE INVOLVED IN THEIR CITY. WE SEE SOME PUBLIC AMENDMENTS OR SOME AMENDMENTS THAT ARE REFERENCING THAT, UH, THAT ARE BEING SUBMITTED. AND RIGHT NOW, THE CUTOFF TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR TODAY'S MEETING WAS 8:00 AM YESTERDAY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS IN INVITING PUBLIC INPUT IN A ROBUST WAY. AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S OPTIONS FOR US TO CONSIDER A LATER CUTOFF TIME. I KNOW THAT H D R C ALLOWS THREE HOURS BEFORE THEIR MEETING AS THEIR COMMENT FOR WHEN PEOPLE CALL IN TO LEAVE RECORDED MESSAGES AND OR TO RECEIVE WRITTEN COMMENTS. I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE ON A FAST TRACK TO HAVE THAT CUTOFF. IF WE'RE MEETING ON TUESDAYS, THAT'S 8:00 AM ON MONDAY, WE'RE MEETING ON MONDAYS, IT'S 8:00 AM ON FRIDAY AS A CUTOFF. AND SO YOU THINK OF WHEN, HOW MUCH TIME DOES THE PUBLIC TRULY HAVE TO FORMULATE THEIR COMMENTS AND RESPOND? AND SO I JUST ASK FOR CONSIDERATION IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO EXTEND THAT TO 8:00 AM THE DAY OF OR NOON THE DAY BEFORE. UH, JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE HAVE CITIZENS THAT WANNA ENGAGE, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW DURING THE PANDEMIC, IF IT'S EASY FOR THEM TO CALL IN AND LEAVE US A RECORDED MESSAGE AS OPPOSED TO COME DOWN HERE AND WE ARE MORE AMENABLE TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND, I THINK THAT THAT IS WELCOMING THEIR COMMENTS. AND SO I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION ALSO. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW WE HAVE ONLINE, UH, COMMENTS TOO. WE'RE TAKING FEEDBACK FROM THE U D C. ARE WE GONNA SEE A ROLLING LIST OF THAT DATA EVERY MEETING? LAUREN, CAN YOU PULL THAT UP PLEASE? UM, AND IS THAT GONNA BE EMAILED OUT TO US OR CAN YOU EMAIL OUT IF YOU DON'T MIND? I CAN CHIME IN. COMMENT ON THE, SO ON OUR WEBSITE, UH, LAUREN'S PULLING THAT UP RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A DEDICATED AREA WHERE WE IDENTIFY THE, UM, P D F, IF YOU WILL, OF ALL OF THE 234 U D C AMENDMENTS. UM, ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT IS THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT, UH, KARA WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND BELOW THAT IS A PUBLIC COMMENT. SO WE WILL HAVE THIS PUBLIC COMMENT OPEN FOR THE DURATION OF OUR U D C AMENDMENT PROCESS. IT'LL GO ON UNTIL, UM, COUNCIL ACTION IS TAKEN, UM, MAYBE EVEN AFTER TRAINING. UM, BECAUSE AFTER WE DO INTO OUR, UM, COUNCIL ACTION, WE'LL HAVE TO GO INTO TRAINING. OUR GOAL IS, IS TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE, UM, FEEDBACK THAT IS COMING IN FROM THIS PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION'S TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO KEEP YOU ABREAST OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT'S COMING IN. IT'LL ALSO FOLLOW GOING TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THEN TO FINALLY CITY COUNCIL WHEN AN ACTION IS TAKEN SO THAT THERE, THERE WILL BE INFORMATION COMING FROM THIS PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT RESOURCE AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS REALLY HOW DO WE SEE THAT DATA? SO WE'LL GET A REPORT, IT'LL BE CUT OFF MAYBE EVERY MORNING BEFORE WE MEET AS PTAC AND WE'LL SEE ALL THE COMMENTS SUBMITTED RIGHT. THUS FAR. YEAH. SO WHATEVER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, [00:40:01] THE DAY OF THE MEETING, WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT INFORMATION OVER. WE'RE TRACKING THIS INFORMATION, UM, AS IT'S COMING IN. SO WE'LL BE, UM, PROVIDING THE, UM, UH, PTAC MEMBERS THIS, THIS INFORMATION ON THE U D C AMENDMENTS THAT THEY ARE REVIEWING. SO WE HAVE COMMENTS THUS FAR. WE JUST HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED THE DATA. WE'LL GET IT AFTER THIS MEETING MAYBE. WELL, WE'RE NOT THUS FAR. WE'VE GOTTEN ONE. OKAY. SO IT HASN'T BEEN A, AND I, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ME 'CAUSE I WAS TESTING IT, . BUT, UM, UM, THE, THE INFORMATION WHEN WE START GETTING INTO THE ACTUAL REVIEWS OF THE INDIVIDUAL U D C AMENDMENTS WILL BE BRINGING THE APPLICABLE COMMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT U D C AMENDMENT TO THE TABLE AS WELL. YEAH. SO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S COMMENTING ON SECTION 35 DASH 5 0 2, WHEN WE REVIEW THAT SECTION, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL SEE THOSE COMMENTS. WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE A BIG BLOB OF COMMENTS ABOUT EVERYTHING. THAT'S CORRECT. YES, MA'AM. DEBBIE? YES. UM, I JUST WANTED TO RECAP TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO WE'LL BE REVIEWING CERTAIN, UM, AMENDMENTS AT EACH SESSION, BUT WE WILL GET THE COMMENTS AND THE STAFF PRESENT TO ANSWER ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS ON THAT SAME DAY THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON THEM. YES. WOW. OKAY. WELL, YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING, SO WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE WHILE AGO, UM, AND GEORGE, UH, AGREED IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE THE FULL LIST OF 234 AND IDENTIFY A PRIORITY, IF YOU WILL, ON AN A, A TIMELINE OR AN AGENDA FOR ALL OF THEM. AND THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO Y'ALL AT THE NEXT MEETING. UM, AND SO THAT WAY YOU CAN BE PREPARED TO, UM, REVIEW FOR EACH MEETING THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED. SO THE NEW INFORMATION WOULD BE THE COMMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM THE PUBLIC AND IS IT APPROPRIATE TO CONTACT STAFF, UM, BEFOREHAND AND GET CLARIFICATION? YES MA'AM. PLEASE. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. WELL, NOT JUST YOU, BUT I MEAN YEAH. WHATEVER APPLICABLE STAFF YOU NEED TO, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS, I MEAN, YOU'RE, THEY, THEY'RE INFORMATION IS ON OUR WEBSITE. IT'S ALSO ON THE SPREADSHEET. BUT IF YOU JUST WANNA COME THROUGH US, WE, WE ARE HAPPY TO COORDINATE A DISCUSSION IF WE NEED TO. THANK YOU. SO DEBBIE, THE WAY IT TYPICALLY WORKS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE REVIEWING A CODE AMENDMENT FOR WHATEVER IT IS, THE GOAL IS TO HOPEFULLY REVIEW IT. WE'LL GO AROUND THE ROOM, EVERYBODY MAKES COMMENTS, WE MAKE ANY CHANGES HERE IN THE MEETING ON THE SCREEN AND FINALIZE IT AND WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON IT AND IT'S DONE. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM STORMWATER OR WHOEVER THE CASE MAY BE, AND IT GETS TABLED AND IT, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY GO BACK, THEY WORK ON IT AND THEN BRING IT BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING. SO THERE ARE THOSE CASES WHERE THAT'LL HAPPEN, BUT THE, THE REAL GOAL IS TO HAVE IT REVIEWED BEFORE THE MEETING, DISCUSS IT IN THE MEETING AND APPROVE OR DENIED, BUT THEY'RE NOT DOING RIGHT. SO I HEAR THAT WE NEED TO BE REALLY PREPARED WITH ANY QUESTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE BEFORE WE GET TO THAT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN ASK THE APPROPRIATE STAFF. THANKS. ONE OTHER THING I CAN POINT OUT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF GEORGE MENTIONED THIS, BUT IF WE ARE COMING ACROSS A HEAVY LIFT, A HEAVY CODE AMENDMENT AND THERE'S HEAVY DISCUSSION, WE CAN HAVE A, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE IF YOU WILL, OF TTAC TAKE THAT ON AND TAKE ON THAT CONVERSATION, UM, AND BRING THAT BACK TO THE FULL, UM, T SO FOR HOPEFULLY IT'S FINALIZED, BUT, AND WE DID THAT FOR I THINK STORMWATER OR LID LAST TIME, IF I CAN REMEMBER CORRECTLY. YEAH. AND THOSE WERE HEAVY LIFTS, SO THAT IS STILL AN OPTION ON THE TABLE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BODY HERE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION IF THAT'S NECESSARY. AND THERE'S NOT ALWAYS A STAFF PRESENTATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE CODE AMENDMENTS, SO WE'LL JUST THROW IT UP ON THE SCREEN AND WE WILL START TALKING ABOUT IT. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THE LIKE, UM, UM, BIANCA MENTIONED EARLIER, THE APPLICANTS WILL BE HERE, SO THERE WILL BE BACK AND FORTH QUESTIONS FROM THE TAC MEMBERS TO THE APPLICANT. SO, AND THE STAFF WILL BE PRESENT AS WELL IF IT IS STAFFED, THEY ARE THE APPLICANT, BUT THEY, EVERYONE SHOULD BE IN THE ROOM TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE TAC MEMBERS MAY HAVE IN ORDER TO, UH, TAKE ACTION ON THAT ITEM. ALONG THOSE LINES, I'M HOPING TO SEE THIS AS A GLASS HALF FULL SITUATION, BUT IF WE HAVE A PRETTY CONCRETE LIST GOING INTO A MEETING OF WHICH AMENDMENTS WE'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING AND FOR WHATEVER REASON WE MOVE QUICKLY, WE TABLE SEVERAL, WE ASSIGN 'EM TO SUBCOMMITTEES, WE FINISH THE LIST QUICKLY, I'M GUESSING, ASSUMING IT'S A STATIC LIST THAT WE CANNOT ADOPT, UH, SOMETHING FROM THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING AND HEAR IT EARLY BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE THE REPRESENTATIVES [00:45:01] THERE. OKAY. THAT'S THE DOWNSIDE. THAT'S JUST THE DAY YOU GET OFF EARLY, BUT HOPEFULLY RIGHT. AND ONCE WE GET, UM, MOVING FORWARD, ONCE WE GET THROUGH THESE, UH, EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS AND GET THOSE TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SPONSORSHIP, THE GOAL, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS WE'RE GONNA BREAK 'EM UP BY CATEGORY. SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH REVIEWING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WE'RE GONNA START WITH ANYTHING RELATED TO WHATEVER STORMWATER, LET'S SAY. RIGHT? WE'RE JUST GONNA REVIEW ALL THOSE AT ONCE. DID YOUR, DID HIS JUST RUN OUTTA BATTERY? NO, IT JUST KEEPS CUTTING OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING ON WITH IT. UM, SO THEN WE'LL, SO ALL AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH STORMWATER, WHETHER IT'S FROM STAFF OR FROM GREATER EDWARDS AFER AUTHORITY OR WHOEVER IT IS, THEY'LL ALL BE GROUPED INTO, WE WILL TACKLE ALL THOSE AT ONCE. WE'LL WORK ALL THROUGH STORMWATER THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A CODE AMENDMENT THAT MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE MADE CHANGES TO, WE CAN KIND OF SEE HOW IT ALL FITS TOGETHER. INSTEAD OF REVIEWING ONE STORMWATER ONE NOW AND THEN TWO MONTHS LATER REVIEWING ANOTHER STORMWATER ONE THAT MIGHT, THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK. SO WE'RE GONNA BREAK 'EM UP INTO CATEGORY AND REVIEW 'EM THAT WAY. THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE BY CODE SECTION. YEP. BY CODE SECTION, WHICH MEANS ALSO WHAT INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL. CORRECT. OKAY. ONE LAST QUESTION IS, IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON, I'M SORRY. HELLO? HELLO. EXTENDING THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT I MENTIONED THAT, UM, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO EXTEND THAT 8:00 AM CUTOFF THE DAY BEFORE ALMOST WE'RE GONNA ALMOST 30 HOURS BEFORE WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO IT. I, I, SO THE EXAMPLES YOU USED ARE FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WHICH WE DO, UM, HAVE THOSE IN PLACE. UH, THE DIFFERENCE IS THESE MEETINGS ARE EVERY WEEK. SO THIS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THE STAFF IS JUGGLING. WE'RE NOT JUST JUGGLING THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE TRACKING AND HAVE TO PUT THOSE ONLINE. WE'RE ALSO HAVING TO PUT TOGETHER THE NEXT AGENDA. MAKE SURE YOU GET THE INFORMATION IN TIME SO Y'ALL HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT. SO WE ARE, I I CAN'T COMMIT TO YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT I CAN COMMIT IS THAT WE WILL LOOK INTO IT. I APPRECIATE IT. MAYBE GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE NEXT MEETING. YES. AT THE NEXT MEETING. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO MELISSA, UM, WHEN, FOR A DISTRIBUTION OF THE, OF THE DATA, SO THE AGENDA IS POSTED ON FRIDAY, RIGHT? FRIDAY, RIGHT? YES. UM, ARE WE GOING, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE PDFS OF THE SECTIONS THAT'LL BE REVIEWED AT THE FOLLOWING TAC MEETING EARLIER THAN FRIDAY? WHEN IS, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IS POTENTIALLY ESTABLISHING A TIMELINE, IF YOU WILL, TO REVIEW ALL THE CODES, THE, FOR THE 234 AMENDMENTS AND CATEGORIZE THOSE ON A, ON THE 15 DIFFERENT AGENDAS AND PUT THOSE IN ADVANCE NOTICE SO Y'ALL KNOW WHICH ONES WE ARE REVIEWING IN ADVANCE AND THEN WE CAN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO GET YOU THE INFORMATION. ALL THE INFORMATION IS ON OUR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, INCLUDING EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION WITH THE TRACKED LANGUAGE. THE THING IS, IS IF YOU DON'T WANNA BE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN LINKS AND, AND ALL OF THAT, THEN WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET YOU THE INFORMATION IN ADVANCE. MY FEAR IS, IS THAT WE'LL END UP HAVING TO SEND YOU 16 U D C AMENDMENTS IN ONE EMAIL. IT'S NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH. AND THEN I'M GONNA SEND YOU THREE OR FOUR EMAILS FOR ONE MEETING, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT THEY DON'T WANT. DIDN'T WE IN THE PAST DIDN'T? 'CAUSE I REMEMBER THERE WAS A LINK THAT CAME OUT, I THOUGHT TO THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REVIEWED AT THE NEXT MEETING AND I THINK IT, THE LINK PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A HYPERLINK TO A DOCUMENT THAT YOU WOULD JUST DOWNLOAD AND YOU COULD PRINT. UM, LET ME BRAINSTORM WITH THE STAFF ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO THAT. 'CAUSE I'M THINKING MAYBE WE PUT A THUMBNAIL ON OUR WEBSITE JUST WITH ALL, JUST ONLY THE U D C AMENDMENTS MAYBE IN THE ORDER WE DECIDE WE WANT TO REVIEW THEM IN. AND, UM, THEN YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE, SO WE'RE NOT SENDING YOU EMAILS. IT'S NICE. YEAH, I THINK, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST. 'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER, I KNOW WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO HUNT AND PECK FOR THE RIGHT, FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ONES IN THE MASTER LIST. I THINK IT WAS A, AND I COULD GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT I THOUGHT, UH, TONY PHELPS SENT OUT A, JUST A LINK AND WE CLICKED ON IT. I THINK WE CAN EXPLORE THAT, GEORGE. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. UM, AND, UM, IF WE, IF WE WOULD LIKE, UM, WITHIN, LET'S SEE, WHAT IS TODAY TUESDAY? UH, WE CAN SET UP A MEETING, UM, HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK WHEN TOMORROW, GEORGE WITH YOU AND JULIA VICE CHAIR TO TALK ABOUT THAT, UM, CODE TIMELINE ON, ON OUR AGENDA AND BREAK IT DOWN BY, UM, MEETING. AND THEN WE CAN ESTABLISH WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. ONCE WE GET THAT DONE, [00:50:01] THEN WE CAN PUT THE LINK ONLINE AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN SEND OUT TO EVERYONE. UM, SO YOU SEE ALL THE U D C AMENDMENTS ON THERE IN THE, IN THE ORDER THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE REVIEWED ON THE AGENDA WITH THE CAVEAT THAT SOME ITEMS MAY BE PUSHED TO ANOTHER MEETING? YES. OKAY. YEAH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, MELISSA, IF YOU WANNA HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THIS WEEK, I'M AVAILABLE TOMORROW MORNING, OBVIOUSLY. WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON WE'RE AT PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THURSDAY MORNING AFTER THURSDAY MORNING, I'M OUT UNTIL MONDAY. OKAY. I'LL COORDINATE WITH YOU AND JULIA RIGHT AFTER THIS MEETING TO MAKE SURE WE GET A TIME DOWN, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO, UM, THE MEMBERS HERE. UM, SO YOU ARE READY FOR, UM, THE NEXT AGENDAS THAT START TO COME DOWN THE LINE. ANOTHER QUESTION, PLEASE. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE AGENDA THAT'S POSTED, UM, FOR THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THAT, THAT HAVE A LINK THAT GOES SPECIFICALLY TO THE AMENDMENTS WE'LL BE REVIEWING AT THAT MEETING? YES, IT WILL. YES, IT WILL, IT WILL HAVE THAT. THE PROBLEM IS Y'ALL GET THAT ON FRIDAYS BEFORE AND THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO ABSORB IT, SO YES. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY MORE PROCESS MEETING FORMAT ITEMS TO DISCUSS HERE? UM, I DON'T THINK SO, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. UM, CHAIRMAN PECK? YES, SIR. UH, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS AND PROCEDURE AND THE STAFF HAS, UH, CATEGORIZED THESE AS, UH, LEVEL ONE, TWO, AND THREE, I'M JUST WONDERING, WE COULD, THERE'S THAT, I GUESS LEVEL ONE IS THE EASIEST ONES THAT ARE CLARIFYING AND, UH, EDITING. THERE'S 59 OF THOSE AND I WAS JUST AS AN ALTERNATE, LET'S JUST ADDRESS THOSE AND GET 'EM OUTTA THE WAY AND WE'LL, WE'LL KNOCK A WHOLE BUNCH OF 'EM OUT OF THE WAY AND ONE FELL SWOOP I'D. IF MY OPINION IS, I WOULD DISCOURAGE THAT. I'M CONCERNED SOME OF THOSE MAY BE OVERLAPPING WITH MORE SIGNIFICANT LATER AND THEN WE JUST GOT A LOOP BACK. IN FACT, THERE ARE SEVERAL LEVEL THREES THAT ARE TIED TO LEVEL ONE CLARIFICATIONS. YEP. AFTER YOU MAKE A MAJOR POLICY CHANGE. AND THERE'S SEVERAL IN THERE. SO YOU'RE, IT IS IN THERE AT LEAST FOUR TIMES, SIR, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT BACK AND FORTH. ROBERT, TRYING TO AVOID, JUST TRY TO SPEED THE PROCESS. AND, AND JUST MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEW TAC MEMBERS ON HERE. UM, DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE EDITING AND CLARIFYING THE ONE, TWO, AND THREE? I JUST, OKAY. NO, YOU'RE OKAY. I WAS GONNA SAY YOU'RE NOT NEW . YEAH. UH, BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. ON THE BACK OF THE SPREADSHEET THAT, UM, WE'VE PROVIDED YOU, THERE IS A LITTLE KEY, IF YOU WILL, A COLOR COORDINATED KEY ON HERE. UM, IT IS BROKEN DOWN BY CATEGORY ONE, CATEGORY TWO, AND CATEGORY THREE. UM, EDITING AND CLARIFYING ARE CATEGORY ONES BEYOND EDITING AND CLARIFYING ARE THIS YELLOW YELLOWISH COLOR THAT WE HAVE ON HERE. AND THEN DETAILED DISCUSSION FOR CATEGORY THREE. LAUREN, CAN YOU PULL THAT UP ON THE SCREEN AS WELL, PLEASE, FOR OUR GENERAL PUBLIC TO SEE. I'LL ALSO ADD THAT THESE CATEGORIZATIONS ARE STAFF'S ATTEMPT AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FEEL IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE. IF WE GET TO AN ITEM AND THE TAC FEELS OKAY, YOU PUT IT AS A TWO, WE THINK IT'S A THREE, WE WILL UPDATE THE INFORMATION THAT'S POSTED TO THE PUBLIC. UH, SO THOSE ARE NOT SET IN STONE. YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAY HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S TWO, YOU MAY THINK IT'S A ONE, CHANGE IT. AND THEN THERE IS A BREAKDOWN HERE ON, UM, HOW MANY CATEGORY ONES WE'VE, UM, IDENTIFIED HOW MANY CATEGORY TWOS AND HOW MANY CATEGORY THREES. SO THE CATEGORY THREES, WE ANTICIPATE THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION THAT WILL BE GOING ON FOR THOSE. I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN STAFF TALK ABOUT THE SPONSORSHIP? WHAT, WHAT THAT IS? UM, I'M NEW TO PAC NOT, I MEAN, PAC TAC NOT PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT, UM, NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT THAT ENTAILS. SURE. SO THE WAY THE PROCESS PLAYS OUT IS KIND OF STEP ONE WHEN THE TAC MEETS TO REVIEW THESE AMENDMENTS IS WE LOOK SOLELY AT AMENDMENTS RECEIVED FROM EXTERNAL PARTIES. SO WE, UH, WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE 43 EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS, AND THIS GROUP MAY DECIDE, I'M GONNA MAKE UP THE NUMBERS. LET'S SAY THAT 30 OF THOSE ARE EDITS OR CLARIFICATIONS. IF, IF THE TAC AGREES THAT THEY ARE EDITS OR CLARIFICATIONS, THEY AUTOMATICALLY WILL MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS FOR CONSIDERATION. IF THE TAC SAYS THESE OTHER 13, HOWEVER, THOSE ARE DETAILED DISCUSSIONS, THOSE ARE BEYOND EDITING OR CLARIFYING, THOSE ARE POLICY CHANGES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEN THAT GROUP OF 13 [00:55:01] WOULD BE FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, OF THESE 13, WE ARE GOING TO SPONSOR 10 OF THEM. WE THINK THAT THESE 10 SHOULD MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROCESS FOR DISCUSSION. AND CONSIDERATION. DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'LL BE APPROVED, IT MEANS THAT THEY MOVE FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION. UH, AGAIN, USING THAT EXAMPLE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY SAY, HEY, THREE OF THOSE, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT, WE'RE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A GROUP, WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE. THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD STOP THERE, UH, AND WOULD NOT BE FORWARDED BACK TO TAC FOR CONSIDERATION. SIR, CAN YOU USE YOUR SURE MICROPHONE. WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN FOR THE EXTERNALS? UH, ONE, TWO, AND THREE. SO THE MAJORITY OF THE EXTERNALS WE PUT AS TWO OR THREES. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, AGAIN, THAT'S HOW WE, WE TOOK A LOOK AT 'EM AND DID OUR BEST. I THINK THESE ARE TWOS THROUGH THREES. UM, SO YEAH, CERTAINLY THE MAJORITY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR? I'VE GOT ONE FUNDAMENTAL CLARIFICATION THAT, UH, KEEPS CONFUSING ME. ARE WE, ARE WE THE TAC, THE P TAC, THE PC T AND IF WE BECOME EXTENDED TO BECOME, DO WE BECOME TACKY ? YES. ALL OF THE ABOVE. ALL OF THE ABOVE . ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ACTUALLY, RHETORICAL . YEAH, YEARS AGO IT WAS TACK AND THEN IT BECAME PTAC, AND THEN IT WAS PCT AND NOW IT'S ALL OF THEM. SO THERE YOU GO. UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON PROCESS AND HOW IT ALL WORKS? WE'LL BE EXPERTS BY THE TIME THIS IS OVER. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, SO, UM, IF WE, IF WE HAVE A CASE THAT'S GONNA HAVE, THAT HAS A LARGE PREPONDERANCE OF PUBLIC INPUT, CAN WE GET NOTIFICATION OF THAT A LITTLE BIT MAYBE BEFORE THE MEETING? SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY. JUST TO BE AWARE SO WE CAN MAYBE DO SOME EXTRA DUE DILIGENCE AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BRUSH UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READY FOR THAT KIND DIALOGUE. SO AS LONG AS WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS HAPPENING IN ADVANCE, RIGHT. UM, DEFINITELY WE'VE DO THAT IN OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGNED UP. UH, WE'LL DO THAT IN WORK SESSIONS. SO HERE WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OR IN SUPPORT, UM, FOR AN ITEM. UM, AND IF WE GET SOMETHING IN ADVANCE, WE'LL DEFINITELY LET YOU KNOW THAT AS WELL FOR EACH ITEM. YEAH, I REMEMBER ONE MEETING WHERE THE WHOLE ROOM WAS FILLED WITH PEOPLE READY TO SPEAK. YES. AND SO IT'S LIKE, OH, OKAY. LET ME, I GOT, IT'S GONNA BE CHALLENGING WITH THE ROOM THAT WE HAVE IN HERE AND THE NUMBER OF, UM, TECH MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE. SO IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS. WE DO HAVE TVS OUT IN THE HALLWAY TO HAVE OVERFLOW, AND THEN, UM, EVERYONE THAT'S IN THE TOBIN ROOM CAN ALSO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MEETING AS WELL. UM, SO THERE WE HAVE OPTIONS, UM, TO HAVE PEOPLE STILL ON SITE AND THEN BE ABLE TO SPEAK WHEN THEIR TIME IS READY. THANK YOU. IT'S NOT EASILY SORTABLE. ALL RIGHT. UM, I GUESS NOW WE'LL MOVE ON. UM, WE'RE DONE WITH ONE B. NOW WE CAN MOVE BACK TO ONE A. AND THE DISCUSSION HERE WAS, UM, ARE WE GONNA LOOK AT ANY OF THESE TODAY? SO WHAT I THINK, UM, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF WE AT LEAST LOOK AT THE ONES THAT ARE EXTERNAL AND CALLED, UM, CLARIFYING EDITING, AND WE CAN JUST, AND THAT GIVES EVERYBODY KIND OF LIKE, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT TO DETERMINE THAT AND THEN WE CAN KNOCK THOSE OUT. I THINK THERE WAS ONLY THREE THAT WERE EXTERNAL CLARIFYING EDITING, RIGHT? I THINK THERE WAS THREE. COOL. I HAD A COMMENT BEFORE WE GOT INTO SPECIFICS ON, UH, AMENDMENTS. YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN PROCESS AND PROCEDURE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF STORMWATER AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, AND MANY OF 'EM ARE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO PUBLIC STATEMENTS THAT THE STORMWATER DIRECTOR HAS MADE, UM, I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE AND GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THESE, THESE, UM, BECAUSE OF JUST THE SHEER VOLUME AND THE SHEER POLICY SHIFT, UM, HOW CAN WE ARRANGE FOR THAT TO OCCUR? UM, AND TO BEGIN A SUBCOMMITTEE ON THAT. SO THE ONLY THING I CAN COMMENT ON, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, IS THAT HISTORICALLY WE'VE AT LEAST PUT THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE T TO CONSIDER AND THEN HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT BREAKING IT OUT ONCE WE, UH, REVIEW THE ITEMS AS A WHOLE. AND SO YES, THAT'S, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. UH, I THINK IT WAS STORMWATER THAT WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE LAST TIME, BUT AT LEAST LET'S GET IT ON THE AGENDA TO START THE DISCUSSION. AND THEN, UH, THAT IS, UH, DEFINITELY AN OPTION TO DISCUSS AT THE TIME OF THAT MEETING IS, UM, OR [01:00:01] THAT ITEM IS BEING HEARD. AND BIANCA ON STORMWATER, I MAY SAY, I THINK IT'S ONE WORTH THE WHOLE GROUP HEARING FIRST AND KNOWING WHERE WE'RE GOING. MANY, MANY OF THOSE HAD STARTED PRIOR TO THE 2020 CORRECT AMENDMENT. SO THERE ARE SOME THAT SOME IN THIS GROUP ARE MORE FAMILIAR WITH, LESS FAMILIAR WITH. I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO KINDA LOOK AND SEE A LOT OF THAT AS A WHOLE BEFORE WE BREAK INTO A COMMITTEE OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S NEW, WHAT'S YES EXPECTED, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE NATIONAL CODE IS GOING OR OTHER STANDARDS ARE GOING AND KIND OF BETTER CLASSIFY FOR THE GROUP BEFORE WE BREAK INTO A COMMITTEE. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE FROM STORMWATER TO SPEAK TO THEIR AMENDMENTS. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT WE SINGLE OUT EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS EMITTERS TODAY AND TALK ABOUT MOVING ANY AMENDMENT FORWARD. WE MADE A COMMITMENT AND PROCESS AND PROCEDURE TO PUT AMENDMENTS INDIVIDUALLY NOTICED THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS. SO ONCE AGAIN, I JUST RAISE EXTREME CAUTION WITH TAKING ACTION ON ANY AMENDMENT WHEN THE AUTHOR HAS NOT BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THEIR, UH, AMENDMENT WOULD BE HEARD TODAY. I, I, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT THE TACK HAS NOT DETERMINING IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA TODAY. UH, AS WE'VE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND D S D ACADEMIES AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS SINCE OCTOBER. STEP ONE IS SIMPLY FOR THE TAC TO REVIEW THOSE EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS TO SAY, HEY, ARE THIS GROUP, OUR EDITS ARE CLARIFICATIONS, AND THIS GROUP ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SPONSORSHIP. WELL, WHY DON'T WE START WITH EXTERNAL THEN INSTEAD OF INTERNAL? I MEAN, I'M, I JUST THINK I JUST, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY. STARTING WITH ONLY EXTERNAL AND WELL, I MEANT INTERNAL. I'M SORRY. INTERNAL AS OPPOSED. WELL, BECAUSE THE EXTERNAL ONES HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SPONSORSHIP. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TECHNICALITIES OF CHANGING, YOU KNOW, ROUGHNESS COEFFICIENTS AND CHANNELS FROM ONE THING TO THE NEXT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THIS EDITING, CLARIFYING, OR IS IT MORE THAN THAT? THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING. I JUST HAVE PURE CONCERN ABOUT FORMAT AND NOTIFYING THE AUTHORS THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE TAKING DISCUSSION ON THIS DAY. BUT TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE GET TO THOSE ITEMS, WE WILL ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE LANGUAGE IN THOSE ITEMS AND HAVE THOSE FOLKS HERE. RIGHT NOW IT'S REALLY A, IF IT'S AN AND CLARIFYING FROM AN EXTERNAL GROUP, IT DOES NOT NEED SPONSORSHIP, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. IF IT IS BEYOND EDITING AND CLARIFYING, IT DOES REQUIRE SPONSORSHIP. SO IT'S OUR ROLE TO SAY THOSE ARE MORE, THEY NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE AND THAT SOMEWHERE DECIDES TO SEND IT BACK. AND, AND CHAIR, IF I MAY, DID, UM, SUSAN, DID THE CITY ATTORNEY DETERMINE, UH, MAKE THE DETERMINATION ABOUT EDITING AND CLARIFYING WHICH ONES WERE WHICH? NO. NO. THAT WAS NOT OUR ROLE. IT'S STAFF'S ROLE. STAFF DID. YEAH. IT'S STAFF'S ROLE. UM, SO I DO YOU HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF, OF HOW MANY WERE WE HAVE THEM AGAIN, WHAT DID WE FEEL? IT WAS AN EDIT OR CLARIFICATION OR SOMETHING GREATER. LET, BUT THE DECISION HAS TO COME FROM TACT. DISAGREE WITH, LET, LET'S MAKE A MOTION. SO I JUST WANT TO OH, YEAH, I, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, THE, THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED, DETERMINED EDITING AND CLARIFYING, STAY ON THE PROCESS. AND THE OTHER ONES GO BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DETERMINATION WHETHER THEY WILL COME BACK TO US BECAUSE IT'S TIME CONSUMING. I MEAN, IF WE WAIT, WHEN ARE WE MEETING NEXT MONDAY? MONDAY. UH, WHEN IS THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION? NEXT WEDNESDAY THE 23RD. I DO ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR ANYTHING THAT IS FORWARDED TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SPONSORSHIP, WE WILL INFORM THE AUTHORS OF THE WOMENS TO BE A PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT'S WHERE THEY MAKE AND THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO CONVINCE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHERE THEY MAKE THEIR PITCH, NOT TO US. IF IT NEVER COMES BACK TO US, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS IT. ME TOO. I THINK IT'S THE OPERATOR MUST BE ME. I'M NOT EVEN TOUCHING THE THING. I'M LIKE, WHAT THAT, SO, BUT THE TAC HAS TO MAKE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION OF EDITING, CLARIFYING, OR SOMETHING MORE CORRECT. SO WE NEED TO ACTUALLY PULL THOSE UP ON THE SCREEN AND JUST KIND OF SAY MORE OR LESS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO LET'S DO THIS, OR WE COULD ACT ON MY MOTION FOR EDIFICATION PURPOSES. I MEAN, I'M IN FAVOR OF JUST GOING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE RIGHT NOW AND SAYING, IS THIS EDITING CLARIFYING, OR IS THIS MORE JUST GETTING IT OUT OF THE WAY? BUT IN ORDER FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS BEFORE, CAN YOU SHOW ONE THAT IS EDITING, CLARIFYING TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE UP? WE CAN SHOW ONE THAT IS MORE AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THE COMPARISON IS. OKAY. CAN WE PULL UP AMENDMENT FOUR DASH ONE? SO THIS IS ONE THAT STAFF FELT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF AN EDIT OR CLARIFICATION. SO IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY CLARIFYING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IT'S ADDING [01:05:01] THE NAMES OF PLANNING COMMISSION, ZONING COMMISSION. AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CHANGING A RULE, IT'S ADDING A NAME. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER EDITS OR CLARIFICATIONS MAY BE CORRECTING A TYPO. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, AN EXTRA, WE HAD THREE MS IN THE WORD COMMISSION SOMEWHERE. SO THOSE ARE WHAT WE'RE, THESE ARE EDITS CLARIFICATIONS AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO SPONSOR SOMETHING. SO MINIMAL. UH, AND THEN IF WE CAN PULL UP, UH, IF WE CAN PULL UP AMENDMENT ONE DASH ONE. SO THIS ADDS AN ENTIRE SECTION TO THE CODE. THIS, EVERYTHING IN BLUE IS A RULE THAT DOES NOT EXIST TODAY. SO THIS IS, THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT IS ADDING QUALIFIED TRANSITIONAL HOMES TO A SUBSECTION 35, 3 90. SO WHEREAS ONE IS CLARIFYING THAT A PROCESS APPLIES TO THE PLANNING, COMMISSION, ZONING, COMMISSION, AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A PROCESS WE FOLLOW TODAY ANYWAY, IT'S JUST SPELLING IT OUT VERSUS ADDING AN ENTIRE NEW SECTION OF CODE TO THE U D C. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? SPREAD ALL MERGED CELLS HAVE TO BE THE SAME SIZE TO SORT, DID YOU SAY THERE'S THERE? RIGHT. SO CHAIR ONE MORE TIME. MR. CHERYL SAYS THERE'S FIVE OF FIVE OF THE EXTERNALS THAT ARE CLARIFYING AND, AND THE REST OF THEM ARE REAL AMENDMENTS OR, OR NEED TO BE DISCUSSED OR STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION AGAIN THAT LET'S JUST ACCEPT THE FIVE AND SEND THE REST OF THEM TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR DETERMINATION. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO ACCEPT THE, WELL CAN WE, IS THERE FIVE? IS THAT WHAT THERE IS? FIVE. I COUNT EIGHT. SO WE NEED A FINAL DETERMINATION FROM STAFF ON WHICH HOW MANY EDITING, CLARIFYING OF THE EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS ARE. HOW MANY EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS ARE EDITING? CLARIFYING CURRENTLY WE NEED TO IDENTIFY 'EM BY, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY 'EM BY WHAT THEY ARE. YEAH. I COUNT EIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT, CAN YOU, CAN YOU LIST THOSE FOR US? KIRA? UM, AND I'M IN THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET. SO LAUREN, CAN'T YOU BRING UP THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET AND JUST SORT NO, THE SPREADSHEET DOESN'T HAVE A COLUMN FOR EXTERNAL OR INTERNAL. NO, BUT IT DOES HAVE IT FOR EDITING AND CLARIFYING. AND THEN I THINK ALSO, SO I DID BY SUBMITTING AGENCY AND TURNED OFF ALL THE CITY ONES, BUT YOU CAN'T EASILY SORT TO INTERNAL EXTERNAL. SO WHAT I CAME UP WITH JAMIE WAS, UM, SAS DANA NICHOLS TWO. IT WAS 2.2 DASH TWO WAS THE SUBMITTAL NUMBER GROUP 2020. MS. HARRIS SAS IS AN INTERNAL SAS COUNTS AS INTERNAL? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I'M COUNTING THREE EXTERNAL THAT ARE, THAT ARE . THEN THAT'S THE STEVE SIG GREATER EDWARDS AQUIFER ALLIANCE AND ONE TIER ONE BECAUSE THERE'S TWO C P S AND THREE SAWS. BUT IF WE COUNT C P S AND SAWS AS INTERNAL, THEN YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER WAS THERE WAS THREE THAT WERE EXTERNAL THAT WERE CLARIFYING EDITING, BUT I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE VERIFIED BEFORE WE THAT THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT AS WELL. YES, SIR. OKAY. YOU'VE GOT THAT ALSO. OKAY. CAN YOU, UM, FOR THE RECORD, CAN WE IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS ARE? SURE. BY NUMBER, I GUESS FOUR 14 DASH THREE AND 16 DASH THREE IS THE THREE I SHOW. SAME HERE. OKAY. SO THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS MOVE TO MOVE TO ACCEPT THE EXTERNAL EDITING CLARIFYING AMENDMENTS, WHICH CONSIST OF FOUR DASH ONE 14 DASH THREE AND 16 DASH THREE 16 DASH 13 OR 16 DASH 13. NO AS EDITING, CLARIFYING, AND THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. YEP. THE REMAINING BALANCE OF THE EXTERNAL SUBMITTALS ARE GOING TO BE FORWARD TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR SPONSORSHIP OR NOT. RIGHT. SO MOVED. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. BROWN. WE HAVE A SECOND. FROM MRS. TACKETT. MISS TACKETT. SORRY. MISS, MISS TACKETT. MS. . KARA . OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. UH, THOSE IN FAVOR, WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS. AND I, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, I THINK, JULIA, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SHE WAS, I WAS CLARIFYING THAT IT'S 16 DASH [01:10:01] 13, NOT 16 DASH THREE. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, THESE ARE THE THREE. WE WILL COME BACK AND LOOK AT THEM EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE EDITING. THAT IS CORRECT. WE'RE NOT DENYING OR APPROVING ANY OF THESE AMENDMENTS TODAY. IT'S JUST OH, THEY HAVE TO BE FORMALLY ALLOWED INTO THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY'RE EXTERNAL AMENDMENTS. YES, SIR. BEFORE THE 40 THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ARE WE ANTICIPATING GIVING ANY SORT OF RECOMMENDATION OR NOT OR LEAVE IT BLANK? THERE IS NO RECOMMENDATION FROM US. PLANNING COMMISSION HAS TO DETERMINE WHETHER, UH, THEY WILL SPONSOR IT OR NOT. OKAY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. MS. CARILLO HAYNES? YES. MR. GARCIA? YES. MR. S SIPES? YES. MR. TEAL? YES. MS. COVIN? YES. MS. WRIGHT? YES. MS. FAIRMONT? YES. MS. TACKETT? YES. MR. LEEMAN? YES. MS. GAN? YES. MR. BROWN? YES. MR. HANLEY? YES. MR. FULLERTON? YES. MR. TAPIA? YES. MR. STRADA? YES. MR. MANNA? YES. MR. CHERYL? YES. MS. REED? YES. MR. RAMIREZ? YES. MR. VASQUEZ? YES. MS. MALDONADO? YES. CHAIR PECK? YES. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. SO THEY WILL BE AT PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE 20, WHAT IS IT, THE 28TH? FEBRUARY 23RD. THIRD. UM, IF, IF I MAY REAL QUICK, MR. CHAIR, UH, WE, UH, VALERIE'S GONNA COME AROUND AND PASS OUT A FORM. UM, THIS IS A FORM I BELIEVE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE TAC WOULD LIKE CONTACT INFORMATION TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, UH, PHONE NUMBER, EMAIL ADDRESS, OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT INFORMATION NOT TO BE MADE AVAILABLE PUBLIC. IT'S YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL. UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND FILLING THAT FORM OUT, JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE, UH, THAT IF SOMEONE DOES REQUEST THAT INFORMATION, WE KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE HAVING IT HANDED OUT. UH, WE WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO FOR OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS WELL. UM, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY HANDLED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE. MR. HANLEY. UH, WE ADD, MELISSA, WHEN WE'RE FILLING OUT AN APPLICATION FOR THIS, THEY ALREADY ASKED US ON THE APPLICATION WHETHER YOU WANT THIS. SO THIS IS REALLY A DUPLICATE EFFORT AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HAVING TO DO IT A SECOND TIME ON OUR PTECH. YES, MA'AM. SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. UM, AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON OUR PLANNING COMMISSION'S TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IF YOU DECIDE YOU DON'T WANNA FILL IT OUT, THAT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. WE CAN GO BACK TO YOUR APPLICATION. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT I DID ON MY APPLICATION WHEN I FIRST STARTED WITH THE CITY, SO JUST, YES, MA'AM. I, I THINK BIANCA MENTIONED IT. I DON'T REALLY WANNA SHARE MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER WITH ANYONE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE AN EMAIL ADDRESS. CAN WE WRITE THAT IN ON HERE? SURE. YEAH. IF, SO, AGAIN, IF, IF YOU FILL OUT THAT FORM AND SAY, YES, RELEASE IT, WE CAN USE THE ONE ON YOUR APPLICATION OR YOU CAN LIST IT THERE IF YOU HAVE A NEW ONE. I KNOW SOME FOLKS HAVE THEIR EMAIL CHANGED. UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO UPDATE RECORDS IF YOU WANT THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE. UM, JUST A QUICK, MINE IS G PECK AT TOUCHE . UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, AND JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. UM, SO NOW THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? SO PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT TO PROCEED OR NOT. SO THE FORMAT FOR THAT IS THE APPLICANT, THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT, IS GOING TO BE AT PLANNING COMMISSION, IS GOING TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION TO US ABOUT WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT'S ABOUT, AND WHY THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL TAKE FORMAL ACTION ON IT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WE'LL, STAFF WILL GO UP AND INTRODUCE THE ITEMS AND THEN THEY'LL, WE'LL BE, UM, AS A WHOLE AND THEN THERE'LL BE DISCUSSIONS WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU GEORGE. GEORGE, MELISSA, WHO'S TALKING, UH, JUST ONE QUESTION I HAD, WE SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT OTHER PUBLIC COMING IN AND HAVING COMMENTS, THESE THINGS. WILL THE PUBLIC, ANY NUMBER OF PUBLIC BE ABLE TO [01:15:01] COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THESE? ONLY THE PERSON WHO'S SPONSORING COULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. NO. OUR MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. UH, AND JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, WE'VE ALLOWED THE PUBLIC TO COME AND SPEAK ABOUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. SO WE DO HAVE THAT ABILITY AT OUR TAC MEETINGS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL U D C AMENDMENT. SO THE, THE COMMU THE PUBLIC AT LARGE CAN COME AND SPEAK TO THESE ITEMS, TURN THIS BACK OFF AGAIN, THE P PEOPLE COULD COME TOT MEETING, BUT I GUESS I THOUGHT THIS WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A NORMAL TAC MEETING. SO, SO YOU COULD HAVE 50 PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING. YES. AND WHAT WE HAD DONE IN THE PAST, IF YOU REMEMBER, IS WE HELD OUR FORMAL BUSINESS FIRST, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETINGS WE WOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A VERY LARGE ITEM OF AGENDA ITEMS TO, UM, REVIEW. UH, AND THAT THAT IS AN OPTION AS WELL. SO, UM, THERE, THOSE ARE ACTION ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN BY, UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE HERE, WE DID, WE BREAK OUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT, LIKE IF WE WERE REVIEWING A PARTICULAR CODE SECTION, WE WOULD DELIBERATE AND THEN ALLOW PUBLIC SPEAKING ON THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT. UM, IN THE PAST, WE'VE HELD IT AT THE END, OR WE'VE HELD IT AT THE BEGINNING, UM, AS A, AS ONE LARGE COMMENT WHO WHOEVER IS HERE TO SIGN IN TO SPEAK. UM, BUT IF YOU WANNA TAKE IT INDIVIDUALLY FOR EACH ONE, THEN YOU KNOW THAT'S AN OPTION AS WELL. UM, REALLY IT'S, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN UP TO THE CHAIR. YEAH, GEORGE, CHAIRMAN, UH, THAT IN THE PAST IT, THAT'S YOUR DISCERNMENT, WHETHER TO TAKE PUBLIC INPUT. AND THE LAST TIME WHEN WE HAD A BIG THING LIKE THAT WAS THE LID. UM, AND WHERE WE ACTUALLY SOUGHT, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE PARTICIPATING IN THE AUDIENCE WANTED TO TALK. SO WE STOPPED IT AND THAT'S WHEN WE FORMED THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO STUDY THE LID, UH, PROPOSED ORDINANCE. BUT THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR DISCERNMENT. OKAY. A QUESTION ABOUT THE PERSONAL INFORMATION. IF WE DECIDE TO SHARE, UH, WHAT FORMAT IS IT GONNA BE MADE AVAILABLE ONLINE? UH, IF SOMEONE CALLS IN, WE'LL, MOST LIKELY, UM, WE HAVE YOUR MEMBERSHIP FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ONLINE. WE WILL ADD YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO THAT LIST AND IN RESPONSE TO AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING, SUSAN. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? IT TAKES CARE OF ALL OUR NEW AND OLD BUSINESS, SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. IT'S 2 0 2 AND WE'RE ADJOURNED. THIS IS THE SHORTEST TAC MEETING. WE'LL HAVE THIS YEAR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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