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ALRIGHT.JEREMY MCDONALD, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, WE ARE LIVE AND STREAMING, SO IF, UH, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD, JUST CALL US INTO ORDER.
UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, WE'LL START OFF WITH OUR TRANSLATION VIDEO.
LET ME, TECHNICAL ISSUE, LET'S SEE IF THIS IS WORKING.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE OUR TRANSLATOR MAKE THIS STATEMENT FOR US.
MY NAME IS JEAN MARIE RINI PARA.
[ Roll Call ]
ALRIGHT.UH, WE'LL DO A QUICK ROLL CALL.
WE HAVE OUR PRO, UH, FOUR PRIMARY COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE.
UH, FIRST WE'LL OPEN UP TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AT THIS TIME, UH, WE ALSO HAD NO EMAILS COME IN.
UH, NO PHONE CALLS FROM ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC SPECIFIC TO THIS CODE AT THIS TIME.
SO IF ANYTHING CHANGES, OF COURSE, THROUGHOUT THE MEETING, WE CAN LEAVE IT UP TO THE CHAIR IF ANYBODY WANTS TO STEP IN AND MAKE ANY PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE ITEMS ADDRESSED.
[ Approval of Minutes ]
WILL BE THE APPROVAL OF LAST WEEK'S MEETING MINUTES FOR THIS, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING ON THE 17TH.UH, GIMME THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UH, WE DID MAKE ONE CHANGE FROM WHAT WE PUT OUT TO Y'ALL.
UH, WE WENT AHEAD AND ADDED ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES.
SO THE ONLY CHANGE TO THAT WAS THE INITIAL TOP OF WHO WAS PRESENT, AND WE ONLY ADDED CITY EMPLOYEES.
WE DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING WITH THE, UH, COMMITTEE BOARD MEMBERS WHO WERE PRESENT OR NOT PRESENT.
I'D ACCEPT THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
I'D LIKE, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE MINUTES BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED, AND A SECOND MCFARLAND.
UH, ANY COMMENTARY ON THE MINUTES? UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THAT'S THE UNANIMOUS, SO THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
[ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items ]
UH, SECOND AGENDA ITEM FOR TODAY IS TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE AND PROPOSE CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS.I WILL HAND IT OFF TO OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, CRYSTAL GONZALEZ.
SO CRYSTAL, ARE WE STARTING NEW OR ARE WE GONNA GO BACK TO THE ITEMS THAT WE TABLED LAST MEETING? HOW DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THESE? WHATEVER YOU LIKE TO DO.
THAT'S HOW PREFERENCE I PRESUMED WE WERE JUST GONNA PICK UP WITH THE, UH, TABLED ITEMS. OKAY.
SO I THINK THE FIRST ONE IS 3 0 6 0.3 0.2.
AND JUST FOR TECHNICALITY, I HAVE A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM.
WE'LL JUST CALL IT, WE'LL MOVE THE ITEM FOR, UM, TWO RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THE ONE THAT, ON CHAPTER 10 IS THE THIRD.
SO I BELIEVE 3 0 6 0.3 0.2, WE WERE JUST GONNA, UM, ADJUST SOME WORDING.
IS THAT CORRECT? OH, IT WAS ABOUT THE ATTIC LADDER, YES.
SO THIS WAS ABOUT THE ATTIC LADDER AND WE, UM, WE WENT BACK AND, AND DISCUSSED, UH, GREG'S COMMENT ABOUT THE
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COIL BEING PLACED IN, IN THE ATTIC, THEN REQUIRING US TO PUT A LADDER IN OR REQUIRING THE HOMEOWNER TO PUT A LADDER IN.UM, BUT A COIL IS NOT AN APPLIANCE, AND THE CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS COOLING OR HEATING APPLIANCE.
APPLIANCE IS DEFINED IN THE I M C AS A DEVICE OR APPARATUS THAT IS MANUFACTURED AND DESIGNED TO UTILIZE ENERGY AND FOR WHICH THIS CODE PROVIDES SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE'S NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN HERE FOR COILS, AND WE DON'T, WOULD NOT CONSIDER IT AN APPLIANCE.
SO WE WOULDN'T APPLY THIS CODE, WE WOULDN'T APPLY IT ANYWAY.
BUT THAT'S THE, THE SPECIFIC CODE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS WE WOULD NOT ENFORCE THIS CODE IF JUST A COIL WAS PLACED IN THE ATTIC.
SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A, AN EXISTING FURNACE IN THE ATTIC AND THEY ADD COOLING TO IT, THE, THE WIDER STAIRWAY OR THE ACCESS WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED? CORRECT.
JOE, YOU CONFIRMED THAT THAT'S ACCURATE? YES.
SO, UH, MY, I THINK MY QUESTION LAST TIME WAS, SAY YOU HAVE A EXISTING HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEM IN THE ATTIC IN AN OLDER HOME, IF YOU REPLACE THAT SYSTEM, WOULD THAT, WOULD THIS TRIGGER REQUIREMENT TO ADD A, A PULL DOWN LADDER AT THAT POINT? NO.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT.
THIS SPECIFICALLY SAYS NEWLY INSTALLED.
NEWLY INSTALLED, NOT A REPLACEMENT, NOT A CHANGE OUT, NOT A MAINTENANCE NEWLY INSTALLED, MEANING THIS IS BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT THAT WAS NEVER, UH, INTRODUCED TO THE HOME BEFORE.
THEN WE'LL, UM, REVISE THE AMENDMENT LANGUAGE, UM, AS WRITTEN.
SO THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM, AND SO THAT'S GONNA BE JUST AS WRITTEN, RIGHT? WE, WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT ONE, UM, AS WRITTEN HERE IN THE SPREADSHEETS.
WE DID MODIFY IT A LITTLE BIT PREVIOUSLY.
WE HAD FOR NEW ONE AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCIES, AND WE CHANGED IT TO ONE AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCIES WITH NEWLY INSTALLED COOLING OR HEATING.
SO THIS WOULD APPLY TO EXISTING HOMES THAT HAVE NEWLY INSTALLED, UH, HEATING OR COOLING IN THE ATTIC.
AND JUST AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM, REAL QUICK, JUST WANNA NOTE FOR THE MINUTES THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY MARK ROSS, UM, TO THE SITTING ON THAT DAY HERE, UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICE.
AND ALSO WE'LL NOTE THAT ANY VOTES THAT WERE DONE UNANIMOUSLY ARE, UH, WITHOUT A ROLL CALL, WOULD NOT INCLUDE MARKEY'S, UH, MEMBER OF THE BOARD.
UH, BUT ALL VOTES WOULD BE FOR JUST THE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE FOUR THAT WE'RE ROLL CALLED.
THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE WERE GOING TO REVISIT WAS, UH, 3 0 7 2 1 1 FOR CONDENSATE DISCHARGE.
SO WE HAVE, UM, CHIEF INSPECTOR MIKE MORALES, CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR, UM, TO SPEAK TO THIS TOPIC.
UM, AND YOU CAN HEAR IT STRAIGHT FROM HIM.
I'M, I'M SURE YOU TRUST HIM ON PLUMBING FIXTURES MORE THAN ME.
SO, MIKE, THE, UM, THE, THE COMMITTEE WAS WANTING CLARIFICATION ON, UM, IF YOU WERE TO DISCHARGE INTO A LAUNDRY BOX, WOULD THAT BE COVERED? UH, BY THIS REVISED CODE SECTION? JUST ONE STATEMENT.
YEAH, THE LAUNDRY BOX, UH, UH, WASHER BOX COULD HAVE A DUAL, UH, A DUAL WASHER BOX WHERE THE AC CONDENSATE CAN DISCHARGE INTO THAT.
IS THERE A, DOES THAT CLARIFY FOR THE COMMITTEE? I, I THINK THAT WAS A PRETTY YEAH, AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS WE'VE GOT IT IN, IN, IN THAT WAY, IT'S IN INTERPRETED THAT WAY.
BECAUSE MIKE, YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE LAUNDRY BOX IS REALLY JUST CONNECTED TO THE STANDPIPE YES, MA'AM.
WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT, UM, AS AN APPROVED LOCATION.
UH, THE NEXT ONE WE HAD TABLED WAS THE 4 0 1 0.2.
IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS SHOW? ALL RIGHT.
SO I'LL, I'LL REACHED OUT TO SOME DEVELOPERS, UM, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASE BECAUSE IT, IT DOES CHANGE EVERYTHING ABOVE THREE STORIES TO,
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YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A COST FACTOR THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.AND THAT WAS WHAT I, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO ASK WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST IMPACT? UM, NOT, NOT MONETARILY, BUT WHAT WOULD TRIGGER A CHANGE? WELL, AND I, I MAY BE MISUNDERSTANDING THIS, BUT I JUST, FROM THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT WAS THAT, UM, THEY THINK THAT, AND MAYBE YOU CAN CLEAR THIS UP, THAT IT WOULD TRIGGER THE BLOWER DOOR REQUIREMENT OVER, OVER THE THIRD STORY AND REQUIRE MECHANICAL, IF YOU CAN INDULGE ME HERE.
UH, THIS, THIS ITEM HAS MORE OF A FINANCIAL IMPACT AS A MECHANICALLY OPERATED DAMPER FOR FRESH AIR IS EXPENSIVE AND IT WILL BE NEEDED TO ACHIEVE THE AIR CHANGE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THIS CHANGE ADDS THE COST OF A LOWER DOOR TESTING BY A THIRD PARTY, AS WELL AS THE ADDITION OF THE DAMPER ON OUR FOUR STORY AND ABOVE PRODUCT.
SO I DUNNO IF THAT'S COMPELLING TO ANYONE OR NOT, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK I WANTED AT LEAST TO BE CONSIDERED.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT LAST WEEK IS, OR, OR WHEN WE DID THAT, IS IN ORDER TO GET OUT OF MECHANICAL VENTILATION, YOU'D HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE BUILDING IS IN ESSENCE LEAKY.
SO THAT WOULD BE A, AN EXISTING, BUT YEAH.
I, I DON'T, I THINK PUTTING A MECHANICAL AS TIGHT AS OUR BUILDINGS ARE GETTING, I THINK PUTTING A MECHANICAL VENTILATION IN IT OF SOME SORT IS JUST GONNA BE REQUIRED.
WE JUST CAN'T GET THE AIR CHANGES OR, OR THE, THE VENTILATION IN THERE.
THIS, THIS IS, UH, CHIEF
IT'S JUST THAT THIS ACTUALLY CLARIFIES THE FACT THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE MECHANICAL VENTILATION ON THREE STORES OR ABOVE.
AND IN THE, IN THE EXISTING VERBIAGE FOR THE 2018, UM, SAYS WHEN, WHERE THE AIR INFILTRATION RATE IN A DWELLING UNIT IS LESS WHEN TESTED WITH THE BLOWER DOOR.
SO THAT IS, UM, TESTED WITH THE BLOWER DOOR AS PER THAT RESIDENTIAL SECTION.
SO JOE WOULD, IS THE BLOWER DOOR STILL REQUIRED? IS THE BLOWER DOOR TEST STILL REQUIRED FOR, UH, FOUR STORIES AND UP SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE A BLOWER DOOR TEST? WELL, YES, BUT IT FALLS UNDER THE BATCH TESTING, BUT YES.
SO IT, WE WOULD VERIFY THAT, UH, IT MEETS THE AIR LEAKAGE REQUIREMENTS, UM, WITH THE BLOWER DOOR TEST, THE BATCH TESTING, YES.
SO HOW DID WE VERIFY THAT BEFORE? WELL, JUST THE BATCH TESTING, THEY WOULD COME IN AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD VERIFY THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS SAYING, THAT THE, THAT THE TESTING WAS ALREADY IN PLACE, THAT THAT WAS NEVER CHANGED.
THE ONLY THING IS, IS THE, THE REASON THIS WAS ADDED, OR WAS TO CLARIFY THAT THE INTENT WAS FOR ALL THE UNITS, THREE STORES OR ABOVE, OR THREE STORES OR BELOW.
IT'S JUST THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN.
IT DIDN'T SOMEHOW, IT KIND OF EXEMPT THE, THE, THE VENTILATION PART, BUT THE TESTING WAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
SO THE TESTING IS STILL REQUIRED FOR THREE AND UNDER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ENERGY CODE SAYS, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO THAT DOES, THAT HASN'T CHANGED.
AND THE TESTING IS STILL REQUIRED FOR FOUR AND UP PER THE COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE ENERGY CODE? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THE TESTING REQUIREMENTS AREN'T CHANGING.
ALL IT IS IS THAT WE'RE MANDATING, UH, MECHANICAL VENTILATION.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A, A CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN GIVEN THE, THE TIGHTNESS OF THE BUILDING ENVELOPES? YEAH.
I'M JUST DOING A QUICK, UH, SEARCH.
I THINK IT WAS THE ASHRAE JOURNAL, UM, DATED AUGUST 10TH, 2021, HAD AN ARTICLE THAT I'M JUST GRABBING REALLY QUICK AND NOTES THAT IN, TRY TO GET IT SO I CAN GET IT RIGHT.
I THINK THEY WERE SHOWING IN NATURALLY VENTILATED BUILDINGS I E BUILDINGS THAT ARE JUST LEAKY OR HAVE AN OPERABLE WINDOW THAT'S USUALLY CLOSED.
THE C O TWO LEVELS, UM, GOT FAIRLY HIGH.
I THINK IT WAS THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY EXCEEDED OVER A THOUSAND PARTS PER MILLION, UH, VERSUS MECHANICAL VENTILATION.
THEY WERE ABLE TO KEEP IT AT A ROUND OR BELOW.
SO YOU, YOU END UP WITH BETTER AIR QUALITY INSIDE FROM THE MECHANICAL VENTILATION.
SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A PIECE THAT WE, WE SHOULD PUT IN THERE.
I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S GONNA ADD SOME COST, BUT I THINK IT'S GETTING IN THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, SAW SOME OTHER LITERATURE HERE THE OTHER DAY ABOUT, UH, A BUILDING THAT, THAT A NEWER APARTMENT THAT DID NOT HAVE CORRECT MECHANICAL VENTILATION AND THEY WERE SEEING C O TWO LEVELS IN EXCESS OR, OR NEAR 2000 PARTS PER MILLION, WHICH IS REALLY STARTING TO GET, UM, A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ACTIONABLE LEVEL FROM AN OSHA STANDPOINT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT,
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BUT THERE ARE, UM, PRETTY WELL DOCUMENTED PHYSIOLOGICAL EFFECTS WHEN YOU START EXCEEDING OVER A, THAT ABOUT A THOUSAND PARTS PER MILLION A C O TWO.SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NO APPETITE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS SECTION.
OKAY, THANK YOU, UH, FOR CLARIFYING.
I BELIEVE THE NEXT ITEM WAS 5 0 2 POINT 20.1 FOR THE MANICURE AND PEDICURE STATION EXHAUST SYSTEM.
WE DON'T HAVE MUCH ADDITIONAL TO BRING TO YOU GUYS, BUT I DID BRING UP, UM, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED FROM THE, UH, PROPONENT AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
SO DURING THE I C C CODE HEARINGS, UH, MEASURES NEED TO BE TAKEN THAT WILL PREVENT THE EXHAUST SYSTEM FROM BEING TURNED OFF AFTER THE INSPECTION PROCESS IS OVER.
THERE IS SOME 200,000 NAIL SALONS IN THE US EMPLOYING OVER 375,000 PEOPLE.
UM, THEY LIST SOME OF THE CHEMICALS.
I'M NOT GONNA, UH, BORE YOU GUYS WITH THAT AND TRY TO PRONOUNCE ALL OF THOSE.
UM, THEY SIMPLY TURN OFF THE EXHAUST SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S TOO NOISY.
UM, PUTTING THE CLIENTS AND THE EMPLOYEES AT RISK OF THESE TOXIC, TOXIC FUMES.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE TURNED OFF TO SAVE ON ENERGY COSTS.
WHEN THE FUMES BECOME OVERPOWERING, THE TECHNICIANS END UP OPENING DOORS TO DEAL WITH THE BUILT UP FUMES, EVEN IN THE WINTER.
THIS IS AN UNACCEPTABLE SITUATION THAT CAN EASILY BE AVOIDED.
THE SAME THEORY APPLIES TO KITCHEN EXHAUST SYSTEMS REQUIRING THE SYSTEMS TO OPERATE AT ALL TIMES WHILE AVOIDING, UH, WHILE OCCUPIED AND OPERATING WILL RESULT IN LESS VAPORS THAT CAN HARM INDIVIDUALS.
SO I THINK A LOT OF OUR CONVERSATION LAST TIME WAS ABOUT ENFORCEABILITY AND THE, IT IS A VERY VAGUELY WRITTEN IT EXHAUST SYSTEM FOR MANICURE AND PEDICURE STATIONS SHALL HAVE CONTROLS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NO TECHNICAL EXPERT OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT SEEMS VAGUE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS ENFORCEABLE AND DO WE NEED TO ADD DETAIL TO IN A, IN AN AMENDMENT TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR WHAT THAT MEANS? NO, IT'S ENFORCEABLE.
UH, I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT WHILE WHEN OCCUPIED, SO IT COULD BE A MOTION SENSOR, UH, WHICH KINDA, ACTUALLY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I I THINK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE ENERGY CODE FOR ELECTRICAL IN, IN SOME INSTANCES.
SO, UH, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY ENFORCEABLE.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
UH, I JUST WANT TO ALSO ADD TO, TO WHAT CRYSTAL HAS SAID THAT, UH, THERE ARE ALREADY REQUIREMENTS, VENTILATION REQUIREMENTS ON THE A M C FOR MANICURE AND PEDICURE, UH, NAIL SALONS.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN THE SPACE IS TOO BIG SQUARE FOOTAGE AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE TABLES, YOU KNOW, UH, TAKING IN CONSIDERATION THE EXHAUST THAT IT'S ALREADY MANDATED BY CODE PER TABLE.
IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WE MAKE THEM ADD ADDITIONAL EXHAUST.
SO THIS PART WILL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH THAT ALSO.
SO IT, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET ANYHOW.
SO I I, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING AN ISSUE AT ALL.
AND ARE YOU SATISFIED, YOU BROUGHT UP LAST MEETING, UH, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, AND, AND I MIGHT BUTCHER THE, THE TECHNICAL DETAILS OF IT, BUT IN INTRODUCING ENOUGH AIR INTO THE, INTO THE SPACE, IS THAT, YEAH, I THINK FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, WHAT I'VE SEEN AND HEARD IS YOU END UP WITH THESE SYSTEMS AND THEY'RE PUT IN WITH A STANDARD PACKAGE ROOFTOP UNIT THAT HAS NO STAGING.
YOU END UP WITH POOR CONTROL OF HUMIDITY IN THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, AND IN OUR CLIMATE THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT.
UM, WHICH AGAIN, THE WORK AROUND IS THEY GO BACK AND SHUT THE SYSTEM OFF.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO AGAIN, FROM AN ENFORCEABILITY STANDPOINT OF, OF MAKING SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S ENFORCEABLE, I'LL SAY AFTER THE FACT, IF YOU GET A COMPLAINT FROM A, SOMEBODY COMES IN, YOU WALK IN AND AS YOU'D SAID, YOU CAN HEAR THE EXHAUST FAN RUNNING, BUT THAT'S ALL THE FURTHER YOU TAKE IT.
SO THAT WAS THE PIECE OF TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO PUT A PIECE OF PIECE OF CARDBOARD IN FRONT OF THE DUCT AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXHAUST ANYMORE.
SO I WAS LOOKING AT A WAY TO, TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GIVE YOU A GOOD ENFORCEMENT TOOL.
DO YOU STILL HAVE THAT CONCERN? IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY A BRIDGE TOO FAR TO REALLY TO GO IN THERE.
'CAUSE THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, DEDICATING A DOAS.
BUT I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IF WE GET SOMETHING THAT'S IN THERE WORDED STRONGLY, THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY OUR DESIGNERS THAT, THAT RECOGNIZE THAT THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST THE CHEAPEST PIECE OF JUNK THEY CAN THROW ON THE ROOF.
I THINK, UH, ADOPT IS WRITTEN.
JEREMY, WHEN YOU GET A MOMENT, CAN YOU, UM, REMIND US OF THE WIFI PASSWORD?
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SOUNDS LIKE ADOPT, WE'RE GONNA JUST, UH, 5 0 2 0.2 0.1 IS GONNA BE ADOPT AS AS WRITTEN.SO THE NEXT SECTION I SHOW, UH, THAT WE HAD TABLED IS 1101 POINT 10 AND 1102 0.3.
IS THAT THE NEXT ONE THAT YOU SHOW, MIKE? OKAY.
SO WE DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THIS ONE AS WELL.
THIS IS BEEN IN THE CODE SINCE 2009.
UM, SO WE CHECKED WITH OUR FRIENDS IN FORT WORTH, HOUSTON, AUSTIN, AND DALLAS, AND THEY ALL ENFORCED THIS SECTION, UH, FULLY.
UM, AND, UH, WE DO WANNA SAY THAT WE, WE CHECKED WITH TACA AND THEIR MEMBERSHIP, UH, IS IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THIS REQUIREMENT.
SO WE'RE, CAN YOU SAY THAT LAST PART AGAIN? SORRY.
SO, UM, UH, JOE, WHAT DOES THAT ACRONYM STAND FOR? TEXAS.
TEXAS AIR CONDITIONING CONTRACT.
WELL, ACTUALLY ACA AIR SAN ANTONIO AIR CONDITIONING, TEXAS AIR CONDITIONING CONTRACTORS ASSOCIATION.
IT'S ONE OF OUR AC UH, HVAC UH, CONTRACTOR STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, AND THEY REPORTED THAT THEIR MEMBERSHIP IS IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THIS REQUIREMENT.
SO WE'RE AT A, MAYBE AT A A, A STALEMATE THERE.
DON'T KNOW IF THAT OFFERS ANY GOOD INFORMATION.
WELL, WE'RE BETTER THAN HOUSTON AND DALLAS.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO, WELL SAID.
MAYBE I SHOULDN'T READ THAT INTO THE RECORD.
UM, SO THOSE CITIES SAY THEY, THEY'RE KEEPING IT AND THERE'S BEEN NO TALK ABOUT REMOVING IT, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN ANNOYING BOARD MEMBER THAT THAT HAS TAKEN THIS ON, UH, AS A, AS A, AS A A MISSION.
UH, BUT THE LOCAL ASSOCIATION AND THE PERSON THAT WAS HERE, UM, AND FROM THE PUBLIC AND SPOKE LAST MEETING ARE, ARE IN FAVOR OF, OF REMOVING IT.
AND I, I DID GO BACK TWO CODE CYCLES, UH, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, UH, FOR THE I C C CODE HEARINGS, AND THERE HAS BEEN NO, UM, NO PROPOSALS TO CHANGE THIS SECTION.
SO AGAIN, I'LL JUST OFFER MY 2 CENTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, MO REMOVING SECTIONS I THINK IS ALWAYS A SLOWER MOVING PROCESS THAT REQUIRES, UM, YOU KNOW, SPURRING ON.
AND SO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT REMOVING IT IS, IS NOT THAT COMPELLING TO ME.
JUST 'CAUSE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATION ABOUT REMOVING A LOT OF, OF, OF OLD, OF OLD ITEMS. BUT, UM, SO IT'S PROBABLY JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY IGNORES IT.
I'M, UH, AGAIN, I'VE REACHED OUT TO SOME OF MY, MY H V A C FRIENDS, UM, THEY AGREE.
SO I, I WOULD AGREE THAT, THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT REMOVING LOCKING CAPS, BUT STILL ANY CAPS, SIMPLE AS THAT.
AS WELL REMOVED, THIS IS, UH, GARY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO BASED OFF OF THAT CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST WEEK, I DID LOOK TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE 2006, WHAT DID IT SAY ABOUT CAPS AND REALLY THAT THAT'S A NEW SECTION.
THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BEFORE THE LOCK IN CAPS CAME IN.
SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD CODE LANGUAGE TO GO OFF OF THAT, SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF DEVELOP THAT HERE AS A REPLACEMENT OF THAT SECTION.
SO BASICALLY THERE'S, THERE WAS NOTHING SPECIFIC REQUIRING CAPS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST A PART OF THE EQUIPMENT.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU REALLY, UM, CHARGE UP THE EQUIPMENT WITHOUT A CAP? I MEAN, DOES EQUIPMENT FUNCTION WITHOUT A CAP? IT, IT WILL, 'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A, A, WHAT IS IT? A STRAIGHTER VALVE UNDERNEATH OF IT.
UM, SO IT, THE CAP'S, JUST TO PREVENT IT, THE CAP IS JUST TO PREVENT IT FROM LEAKING OUT OF THE VALVE.
SO IF IT WASN'T IN THE CODE BEFORE, I MEAN, BUT IT, IT MIGHT STILL BE A, AND IT COME, THE EQUIPMENT COMES WITH A FACTORY CAP ON IT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I MEAN, MAYBE WE JUST, WOULD YOU BE SATISFIED IF WE JUST REMOVED THE SECTION AND DIDN'T ADD SOMETHING ABOUT A CAP? OR DO YOU, OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT A CAP REINSERTED IN? I'LL LOOK AT OUR CODE FOLKS AND JUST GO, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT YOU CAN FORCE 'EM TO PUT CAPS ON? BECAUSE IF WE JUST DELETE 1101 0.9, IF THEY, THERE'S NO CAP ON IT, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
UM, THERE, THERE IS THE, THE ONLY THING I, IF, IF THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE GONNA GO, UM, MY SUGGESTION WAS TO JUST PRETTY MUCH CUT OFF
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THAT THE WAY THAT CODE SECTION READS.AND WHAT I MEAN BY THIS IS I WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, REFRIGERANT CIRCUIT ACCESS PORTS LOCATED OUTDOOR SHALL BE FITTED WITH CAPS.
THIS IS AMIN THOMAS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD, THE CITY'S POSITION, UH, WHICH WE STATED PREVIOUS MEETING, UH, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MINIMIZE AMENDMENTS.
SO TECHNICALLY, UH, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF CONTRACTORS WHO WORK IN DIFFERENT CITIES, DIFFERENT STATES, AND A LOT OF CITIES AND, AND, UH, I GUESS MUNICIPALITIES, THEY ARE TRYING TO ADOPT THE CODE AS IS, SO THAT WAY IT'S UNIFORM THROUGHOUT.
SO AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS TO ADOPT THE CODE, UH, AS MUCH AS WE CAN, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
AND AGAIN, BECAUSE ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, THERE WAS NOBODY WHO PRESENTED NOT JUST TO DELETE IT.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED DELETING THAT SECTION, BUT NOBODY MENTIONED ANY CHANGES TO IT.
OUR POSITION IS WE WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT IT AS WRITTEN, BUT AGAIN, YOU GUYS, AS THE BOARD, YOU CAN RECOMMEND, UH, WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO.
BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT ON, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A CODE SECTION.
THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, CLARIFICATION.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT IN THE RECORD.
UM, I MEAN, CAN I SUGGEST WE JUST LEAVE IT AS IS SIX FOOT FENCE, I MEAN, YOU CAN SUGGEST, SUGGEST, UH, YES.
I, THAT THAT SUGGESTION IS, IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA AMEND, LET'S JUST AMEND THEM OUT.
I THINK EVERYBODY UP HERE FOR THE MOST PART IS WE, WE DON'T SEE A VALUE IN PUTTING LOCKING CAPS ON THESE UNITS.
IT'S STILL, IF WE HAVE AN OWNER WHO WANTS 'EM, THEY CAN PUT 'EM IN.
IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S COMING IN FROM OUT OF TOWN, FROM AUSTIN OR HOUSTON, JUST 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO, THAT'S ON THEM.
WE'RE, WE'RE, I'M UNAWARE OF ANY SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH OTHER THAN THIS SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME.
SO, UH, FOR THE MEMBERS, VOTING MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, IS THERE ANY APPETITE TO, ARE, ARE WE KIND OF IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT TO STRIKE, UM, THIS OR ADOPT, UH, THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS JUST A CAP NOT, AND REMOVE THE WORD LOCKING? I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
I MEAN, AND I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO REMOVE THE OTHER HALF OF THAT SENTENCE, OR SHALL BE OTHERWISE SECURED TO PREVENT UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS.
YEAH, I, I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE LEAVING THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A CAP ON SO PEOPLE ARE PROTECTED BECAUSE FREON IS MASSIVELY EXPENSIVE.
SO IT REQUIRES WHO'S EVER WORKING ON IT TO PUT A CAP ON IT, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LOCKING.
THAT'S OUR, I THINK THAT'S OUR GOAL.
SO, SO CRYSTAL, CAN YOU ADJUST IT, YOU ADJUST THAT LANGUAGE ON THE FLY SO WE CAN GET THAT APPROVED AT THIS MEETING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR IT.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I'LL READ A, I THINK TO KIND OF FOLLOW ON EVERYBODY'S SUGGESTIONS IS 1101 0.9 LOCKING ACCESS PORT CAPS IS, WE WOULD REMOVE THE WORD LOCKING AND JUST REMAIN ACCESS PORT CAPS.
AND THEN IT SAYS REFRIGERANT CIRCUIT ACCESS PORTS LOCATED OUTDOORS SHALL BE FITTED WITH CAPS, PERIOD.
SO CAN WE DO THIS, CAN WE WORK ON CHANGING THAT LANGUAGE AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE ITEMS AND THEN JUST BEFORE THE END OF THIS MEETING, CIRCLE BACK AND MAKE SURE THE LANGUAGE IS THAT, IS THAT DOABLE FOR, FOR STAFF? YES.
JUST ONE MORE QUICK THING, DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION? OH, THE FENCE ITEM? WELL, THAT, THAT, THE EXCEPTION IS IF IT'S UP ON THE ROOF, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, IT'S GONNA BE INVALID ONCE WE CHANGE THE TOP, THE, THE, ALL OF THAT.
IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA MATTER.
SO JUROR MCDONALD, CLARIFICATION, ARE WE LOOKING TO REMOVE THE EXCEPTION OR MAIN MAINTAIN BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THE CAP ON THE ROOF AS WELL, RIGHT? UM, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY TECHNICALLY IN, IN A, IN A CORRECT READING OF THIS, IF WE USE THE EXCEPTION, IT WOULD REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A CAP.
JUST A CAP, NOT A LOCKING CAP, BUT ANY CAP, BUT ANY PIECE FROM UP ABOVE.
SO I THINK THE EXCEPTION WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO, 'CAUSE REALLY WE WANT CAPS NO MATTER WHERE THE, THE EQUIPMENT'S AT, WHETHER IT'S ON THE ROOF IN A LOCKED MECHANICAL ROOM, WE WANT CAPS ON IT NO MATTER WHAT.
SO THE EXCEPTION WOULD JUST COME OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT LONGER VALID BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LOCKING CAP.
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YEAH.SO AS PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN, BOTH, BOTH EXCEPTIONS WOULD COME OUT, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
SO NEXT SECTION IS, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL 1305 0.12.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE STOPPED LAST TIME, RIGHT? WE'RE DONE, WE'RE DONE ALL THE, UH, CIRCLE BACKS FROM LAST MEETING.
SO JEREMY MCDONALD, JUST FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, SO EVERYTHING WE JUST WENT OVER IS UNDER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS REFERENCING, UH, LEMME JUST READ IT REAL FAST.
DISCUSSION OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS AT THIS TIME, THE, THE COMMITTEE COULD DECIDE TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT, OR WE COULD MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF SECTIONS OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE PERTAINING TO MECHANICAL SYSTEMS AND PER PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS, WHICH IS THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS. AND Y'ALL COULD VOTE ALL AT ONE TIME, IS WHEN WE HAVE A GOOD, CLEAR INDICATION OF THE MOTION THAT IT'S ADDRESSING BOTH AGENDA ITEMS AND BOTH CODE SECTIONS.
THEN THAT GIVES TIME TO, UH, TIE UP THAT LANGUAGE.
SO LET'S Y'ALL OKAY WITH THAT.
JUST MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM THREE.
UM, SO CURRENTLY WE DO ADOPT THE MECHANICAL SECTIONS IN THE I R C.
UH, WE DON'T DO THAT FOR THE ELECTRICAL CODE, THE PLUMBING CODE, WE ADOPT A COUPLE OF SECTIONS, UM, FROM LIKE P 29 0 4.
UH, SO THIS YEAR WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING TO, UM, ADOPT THOSE SECTIONS IN THE I R C.
SO THAT WON'T AFFECT THIS COMMITTEE, BUT IF YOU'RE ON, UH, OTHER COMMITTEES, THE ENERGY, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING TO ADOPT LIKE CHAPTER 11 OF THE I R C THAT COVERS, UM, ENERGY, UM, THOSE PLUMBING CHAPTERS AND ELECTRICAL CHAPTERS AND, AND FUEL GAS AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THOSE COMMITTEES.
WE ALREADY ADOPT THOSE, UM, MECHANICAL SECTIONS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CODE, BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE I R C, UM, MAYBE ON THE OTHER COMMITTEES THAT YOU SIT ON.
SO, UH, MOVING TO UM, 1305 0.1, 0.2 0.2, UH, THIS IS ONE THAT WE PRE, THAT WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
UM, IT'S IDENTICAL TO THE I M C SECTION.
UH, WHAT WAS THAT? ONE? 3 3 0 6 3 2.
SO WE AMEND, WE ARE PROPOSING STAFF IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE, UH, THAT CURRENTLY READS FOR NEW ONE IN TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCIES, UH, TO NOW ONE IN TWO FOR ONE IN TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCIES AND TOWN HOMES WITH NEWLY INSTALLED COOLING AND HEATING APPLIANCES.
SO THIS IS ONE THAT WE JUST, UH, SPOKE ABOUT.
WE'RE JUST REITERATING THAT IN THE, UH, I R C.
ANY COMMENTARY ON THAT? AS LONG AS IT FOLLOWS WHAT WE WERE DOING PREVIOUSLY IN THE I M C COMMENTS, I'M FINE WITH IT.
I MEAN, AS LONG AS, JUST FOR THE RECORD, SO THAT ON THE RECORD, TUCK IN HERE.
SO IT'S ON THE RECORD, THAT JUST APPLIES TO SOMETHING THAT IS A BRAND NEW INSTALLATION, NOT A REPLACEMENT OR A CHANGE OUT.
NOW IF YOU'RE GOING FROM A DIFFERENT, UH, TONNAGE, SO IF YOU HAD A HEATING SYSTEM UP IN THE ATTIC AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING COOLING TO IT, WOULD THAT BE NEWLY INSTALLED OR WOULD THAT BE A REPLACEMENT? JOE, YOU WANNA UH, YEAH, THAT, THAT DOES NOT APPLY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT WE CLARIFY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
UH, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT'S, UH, COOLING AND HEATING APPLIANCES.
A COIL BY DEFINITION IS NOT AN APPLIANCE.
SO IF, IF IT'S A FURNACE HEATER UP IN THE ATTIC AND THEY'RE GONNA ADD A COIL, THAT'S NOT AN APPLIANCE, THEREFORE THIS DOES NOT APPLY.
MAYBE I'LL JUST DOVETAIL 'CAUSE YOU MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE.
IS CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE FURNACE.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE OF THE APPLIANCE WOULD CHANGING THAT AND GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, A 75,000 BT UNIT TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND B T U UNIT, WOULD THAT TRIGGER ANY OF THIS? NO.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS MOVING ALONG.
WELL, I WAS, YOU SAID ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
IT DOES, IT DOES NOT SPECIFY FOR NEW ONE AND TWO FAMILY HOMES.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE, THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS ANY HOME.
SO IF WE HAVE A HOME WITHOUT A FURNACE OR AIR FURNACE IN THE ATTIC AND A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOUSE AND THEY WANT TO ADD A FURNACE, IT HAS TO HAVE THE PROPER ACCESS.
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SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S THERE.SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S AN EXISTING AMENDMENT THAT THEY CHANGE THE LINE, GO THROUGH BOARD NEW.
SO WHEN I, WHEN I SAY ADOPT IS WRITTEN, I MEAN THE, YOU KNOW, UM, EXCEPT THE REVISED AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED.
MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO SAY IT.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR YEAH.
AND CAN WE JUST GET A, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE HISTORIC, IT'S A HISTORIC HOUSE AND THEY WON'T LET YOU DO THAT? THE, OKAY, SO THE, THE HISTORIC THING, UH, MOSTLY THEY DEAL WITH THE OUTSIDE APPEARANCE, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE INSIDE.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF, AND ALSO IT WOULD ALSO DEPEND ON THE LOCATION OF THE SYSTEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY GOTTA TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE SYSTEM.
I MEAN, I, I'M HOPING THAT THEY DON'T PUT A SYSTEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LIVING ROOM WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A PULL DOWN LADDER.
SO, BUT I MEAN, MOST OF THE HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, PERTAINS TO THE OUTSIDE APPEARANCE RATHER THAN WHAT'S IN THE INSIDE.
WE CAN MOVE TO, UH, 1411 0.3 0.2.
SO THIS IS A CURRENT AMENDMENT.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS WAS ALSO IN THE COMMERCIAL SECTION AS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PRIMARY DRAIN LINES LOCATED IN UNCONDITION SPACES BE INSULATED.
I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THAT, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ON IT LAST TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NO, WHEN WE COMBINE IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE AND, AND, AND OTHER PIECES, JUST TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WASHER DRYER BOXES.
IN THEORY, DOES THAT HAVE TO BE INSULATED ALL THE WAY TO THE WASHER BOX IN THE WALL? I MEAN, IT SAYS IN UNCONDITION SPACES.
SO JUST THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CLARIFICATION I'D WANT US TO MAYBE HAVE A QUICK TALK ABOUT.
I THINK WE DID, WE WERE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PRIMARY DRAIN LINES.
I MEAN, DID THAT, CLEARED THAT UP LAST TIME? RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT WHEN WE SAID CONDENSATE LIKE A HIGH EFFICIENCY CONDENSING FURNACE, BUT I THINK BY THE DEFINITION WE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT IT CONDENSATE WAS BELOW FOR THAT, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
IT WAS BELOW AMBIENT TEMPERATURE TYPE STUFF.
BUT YEAH, AGAIN, THE ONLY ONE I WOULD OTHER JUST SAY IS IF THIS COMBINES, YOU KNOW, WITH SOMETHING ELSE OR IT'S RUNNING DOWN IN THE WALL, JUST HOW FAR WE WANT 'EM TO GO.
JUST FOR A POINTED DISCUSSION TO BE ON THE RECORD.
AND THEN ALSO, DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT, UM, THE, THE, IT SAID SPECIFICALLY FOAM PLASTIC, RUBBER BASED INSULATION, AND DIDN'T WE, WHEN WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, UM, IT USED TO SAY JUST SAY R FOUR AND THEN IT INDICATED WE INSERTED SOME LANGUAGE.
OR AM I COMPLETELY WRONG? IT WAS REFRIGERANT LINES.
SO DO WE, I MEAN, ARE, ARE WE OKAY PRESENTING THIS? OKAY, SO LET'S SAY, WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP THAT AMENDMENT AS AS PRESENTED HERE.
SO, SO IT APPLIES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOX.
IT NEEDS TO BE INSULATED IF IT'S WELL INSIDE A WALL, INSIDE A WALL WOULD BE UNCONDITIONED SPACE.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE RECORD THAT I ASSUME WE WOULD SAY THAT ONCE IT CROSSES THE TOP PLATE OF A WALL, IT WOULD, IT WOULD ENTER A CONDITION SPACE.
A A WALL IS, IS NOT, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED, UH, UNCONDITION BE BECAUSE IT'S INSIDE THE ENVELOPE.
SO IT'S NOT CONSIDERED, SO BASICALLY THIS WHAT IT, THIS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY, IF IT'S IN THE ATTIC, IT HAS TO BE INSULATED.
SO IF IT GOES ON THE WALL AT THAT POINT, AT THE TOP PLATE, IT STOPS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING INSIDE THE WALL IS, IS CONSIDERED CONDITION.
SO WE SHOULD WE JUST SAY THAT SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT MEANS? I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, DO YOU WANT US TO, TO GET ANY MORE THAN JUST SAYING ON OUR RECORD, OUR INTERPRETATION OF THIS IS, IN ESSENCE IT'S THE HORIZONTAL RUN IN THE ATTIC AND IT WOULD EXCLUDE THE VERTICAL RUNS IN A WALL.
I MEAN, IS THAT WHAT WE ALL WOULD SAY? I MEAN, NORMALLY FOR LIKE ROOF DRAINS, WE WOULD, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, I USUALLY INSULATE THE HORIZONTAL RUNS.
UM, WE DON'T DO A LOT ON THE VERTICAL PART BECAUSE IF YOU GET CONDENSATION, IT WOULD RUN DOWN.
IT DOESN'T STAIN THE ROOF OR THE CEILING MATERIAL, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT IS, WE AS A GROUP, IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
AND, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE HOW WE'D RECOMMEND IT FOR AN ENFORCEMENT ACTION TYPE THING.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ENFORCED.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PRETTY UNDERSTANDABLE THAT THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT IS.
AND THE UNCONDITIONED SPACE IS A SPECIFIC TERM OR SPECIFIC MEANING THAT IS NOT THAT OPEN TO, UNTIL YOU GO TO AUSTIN OR HOUSTON OR SOMETHING LIKE YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER.
I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO TO 14, 11.8.
WHAT'S YOUR PROPOSED ACTION FOR THIS ONE? THIS ONE IS THE TAMPER RESISTANT CAP
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ADJUST LANGUAGE LIKE WE DID ON THE I M CSO, UM, AS WE ADJUST THE LANGUAGE KIND OF LIVE, CAN WE JUST ROLL THIS, THIS ONE INTO THE SAME INTENT? YES.
THIS IS A CURRENT AMENDMENT THAT PROHIBITS STORAGE TYPE WATER HEATERS TO BE STORED IN THE ATTIC UNLESS THERE'S A DOOR OPENING FROM THE HOUSE ON THE SAME LEVEL.
UH, IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT WATER HEATERS INSTALLED IN A GARAGE SHALL BE ELEVATED AT LEAST 18 INCHES OFF THE FLOOR.
WHY IS THAT? WHY IS THAT AN I M C ITEM? IT'S, IT'S THE I R C, BUT THE, UH, IT'S, IF YOU GO TO THE, ON THE I R C, IF YOU GO TO THE PLUMBING PART OF WATER HEATERS, IT REFERS TO THE MECHANICAL CODE SECTION M 2 0 0 5.
AS FAR AS INSTALLATION, UH, THE, THE PLUMBING DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY IS THE ONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ACCESSIBILITY.
JUST LIKE WHAT YOU DO WITH, UH, APPLIANCES IN THE ATTIC.
UM, IT IS, IT IS A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COST THAT THE, THE CONSUMER IS GONNA HAVE TO TAKE.
IF, IF THERE'S NO WAY TO GET TO THE WATER HEATER WHENEVER THAT NEEDS, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
AND BECAUSE ON THE PLUMBING SIDE AND THE I S C REFERS YOU BACK TO THE MECHANICAL PART, THAT'S WHY THIS IS IN HERE.
AND THIS HAS BEEN IN FOR A VERY LONG TIME, CORRECT? YES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU'RE MAKING THEM PUT IN STEPS LIKE A STAIRWAY, WELL, TO GET TO THE ATTIC, WHY WOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT FROM CARRYING A, A FURNACE UP A SET OF STAIRS THAN A LITTLE WATER HEATER? UH, AGAIN, FROM DESIGNING ANOTHER LOCATIONS, WE BASICALLY, I THINK FOLLOWED WHAT THE I P C USED TO SAY, AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING TO PREVENT DAMAGE TO THE SURFACES BELOW.
UM, I'LL JOKINGLY SAY, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE IN TEXAS PUTTING A HOT WATER HEATER, LAUGHINGLY, SAY A HOT WATER HEATER IN THE ATTIC IS A GREAT PLACE TO PUT WHEN YOU WANNA STORE 140 DEGREE WATER, PUT IT IN 140 DEGREE ATTIC.
UM, I, I ALSO WILL, WILL RAISE AN EYEBROW SLIGHTLY AGAIN, I, I RUN AROUND WITH THINKING OF A LAWYER TOO MUCH.
YOU CAN'T, IT JUST SAYS WE CAN'T STORE A WATER HEATER IN AN ATTIC PROHIBITS STORAGE TYPE WATER HEATERS TO BE STORED IN THE ATTIC.
DON'T WE MEAN INSTALLED? WE WOULD MEAN INSTALLED, YES.
MY, THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME WHY WE, WHY IT'S A FULL DOOR WAS THAT, UH, THOSE WATER HEATERS, AS THE SEDIMENT BUILDS UP INTO 'EM, THEY BECOME VERY UNWIELDY.
THAT'S THE WAY I WAS MADE TO UNDERSTAND IT.
UM, YEAH, AND I THINK TRY TRY CARRYING ONE OF THOSE DOWN.
ONE OF THOSE FOLDING STAIRS, YOU GET A LITTLE NERVOUS.
'CAUSE I DID IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
YEAH, THOSE ARE, THOSE GET PRETTY, PRETTY SIZABLY HEAVY.
UM, HAS, HAS THERE ANY BEEN, HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMMENT FROM THE FIELD, ANYBODY REQUESTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT? THAT SAID, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT'S BEEN PRETTY WELL ADOPTED.
WELL,
BUT THEN AGAIN, I, I MEAN WE DON'T DEAL WITH WATER HEATERS.
UH, THIS LANGUAGE IS ALSO, UM, IN THE PLUMBING SECTION OF CHAPTER 10.
UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS KIND OF A LOOSE AREA AS JOE WAS KINDA SAYING, WHY DOES IT FALL UNDER MECHANICAL VERSUS PLUMBING? ALL OF THIS IS UNDER THE I R C, WHICH WE ARE NOW MOVING TO, ADOPTING WITH THE PLUMBING AS WE'RE DISCUSSING.
SO, UM, AND HOW WE HAVE THIS WRITTEN WITHIN THE AGENDA ITEM IS, UM, 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE PERTAINING TO MECHANICAL SYSTEMS. SO I THINK IT'S WELL WITHIN, IF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE, UH, TO TABLE THIS ONE AND TAKE IT OFF THEIR AGENDA, WE COULD DEFINITELY PRESENT THIS TO THE PLUMBING COMMITTEE, WHICH BEGINS NEXT WEEK AND HAVE THAT BE MORE IN LINE WITH THEM.
WE UNDERSTAND WHY THE TECHNICALITY OF WINE KINDA GETS MIXED I P C AND I M C, BUT IF Y'ALL FEEL SAFE WITH THAT, WE'RE GOOD WITH MOVING IT TO THE PLUMBING COMMITTEE.
'CAUSE I'M ON THE, I THINK I'M ON THE PLUMBING COMMITTEE TOO.
I DON'T OR ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE ON THE PLUMBING COMMITTEE NEXT WEEK.
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I'M, I'M HAPPY TO PUNT IT TO THE, TO THE PLUMBERS.DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S MUCH, UH, ARGUMENT THERE.
SO, WE'LL, CAN WE JUST, WE'LL REMOVE THIS ONE THEN.
THAT BEING SAID, WE, WE COULD USE ONE MORE MEMBER.
UM, I KNOW MR. MCFARLAND WON'T BE THERE FOR THE SECOND MEETING, SO I'M LIKE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT QUORUM.
SO EVEN IF HE HAD A SECOND, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF SOMEBODY WOULD BE WILLING TO SHOW UP FOR THOSE AND GET VOTED INTO THAT COMMITTEE.
I, I COULD PROBABLY ATTEND THAT REMOTELY OR SOMETHING IF, IF THAT WORKS.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT WON'T WITH THE QUORUM.
UH, WE'RE MOVED INTO THE, THE STATE LAW FOR THAT.
WE CAN HAVE YOU REMOTELY FOR COMMUNICATION AND TALKING AND BEING PART OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT NOT FOR QUORUM OR VOTING.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS OR DO WE JUST NEED TO TIGHTEN UP THE LANGUAGE ON THE LOCKING CAPS IN THREE SECTIONS AND THEN, AND THEN VOTE.
WE DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEM, UH, DISCUSSING THE REGISTRATION LICENSING THAT WE CAN GO OVER TO NEXT.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY STAND ON CLEARING UP THAT LANGUAGE.
LET'S JUST MOVE ON TO THAT, IF THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
I DON'T, NOT A DICTATION IN 14.
YOU STILL NEED TO, TO STRIKE THROUGH THE SECOND HALF OF THAT SENTENCE OR SHALL BE OTHERWISE SECURED.
CHAIR IF CHAIR, IF YOU WANNA TAKE FEW MINUTE BREAK THAT WAY WE CAN CLEAR THIS AND THEN VOTE ON THE CHANGES AND THEN WE CAN JUMP INTO CHAPTER 10.
WE'LL ADJOURN TILL, UH, TWO O'CLOCK.
TAKE A BREAK UNTIL TWO O'CLOCK.
ALRIGHT, UH, IT'S TWO O'CLOCK.
WE WILL, UH, RE RE OR WE'LL COME BACK FROM BREAK, I SUPPOSE.
SO, UM, TO READ INTO THE RECORD, UM, I MISSED IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WE, UH, INDICATE THAT WE WOULD COME BACK TO 1107 0.4 0.1.
BUT FIRST WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE LANGUAGE, UH, THAT WAS ADJUSTED FOR REGARDING THE LOCKING PORTS FOR M 14, 11.8 AS WELL AS, UH, UH, 1102 0.3 AND UH, YEAH, THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE, UM, STRICKEN OUT.
STRUCK OUT, STRICKEN, STRICKEN, STRICKEN.
WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE STRICKEN OUT.
UH, WE UPDATED THE SECTION TO BE 1101 0.9 AS IT IS.
SO THE SECTION TITLE WILL READ ACCESS PORT CAPS, REFRIGERANT CIRCUIT ACCESS PORTS LOCATED OUTDOORS SHALL BE FITTED WITH CAPS.
WE REMOVED THE EXCEPTION AND IT JUST DAWNED ON ME WHEN OUR GOAL WAS TO MAKE CAPS EVERYWHERE, WE WOULD ALSO PROBABLY NEED TO STRIKE LOCATED OUTDOORS.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY A LOT OF TIME WILL PUT IT INSIDE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, ACCESS PORTS INSIDE.
OH, IT'LL BE LIKE GROCERY STORES.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE AT INSIDE SOMEPLACE TOO.
SO I, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO STRIKE, UH, LOCATED OUTDOORS OR, OR CAN WE JUST PUT LOCATED OUTDOORS AND INDOORS? WHATEVER YOU WANT.
I THINK IF YOU STRIKE IT OUT, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY.
SO IT'S GONNA READ REFRIGERATED CIRCUIT AND ACCESS PORTS SHALL BE FITTED WITH CAPS.
GO AHEAD AND STRIKE OUT LOCATED OUTDOORS.
WE SATISFIED WITH THAT LANGUAGE AND THAT THAT ADDRESSES SO NOWHERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE LOCKING CAPS ON ANY KIND OF REFRIGERANT LINE.
THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE END RESULT OF THIS.
THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION, YES.
THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO THE FULL BOARD ONCE WE VOTE ON IT AND HOPEFULLY FROM THE FULL BOARD JUST AT MY HOUSE, I'LL DO IT.
AND THEN, SO LET'S GO TO 1107 0.41 PLEASE.
UH, I'LL, I'LL TOUCH UP ON THIS ONE.
UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS WAS JUST TO, TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT.
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RESEARCH WE, UH, I REALIZED THAT, UH, THE, IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THE I R C, WHICH IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING, UH, THE, THEY CHANGED THE, THE R VALUE FOR, FOR THE REFRIGERANT PIPES TO R THREE.SO R THREE ACTUALLY COINCIDES WITH A HALF INCH IN THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
SO IF WE REMOVE THIS AMENDMENT AND KEEP IT AMENDED AS IS IT, IT ALL END UP BEING HALF FITCH.
SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS STILL TO REMOVE THE AMENDMENT? YES, I LIKE IT.
SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA, WHAT I'LL, I THINK WE SHOULD DO IS WE'LL HAVE A MOTION, UM, CAN, AND YOU SAID WE CAN DO ONE MOTION FOR, UH, ITEMS TWO AND THREE, CORRECT? WE MAY NEED TO GO FIX THAT.
UH, LOCKING CAP ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE IT READY TO, WE JUST, WE HAVE IT FIXED.
DO YOU WANNA REMOVE OUTDOORS ON THIS ONE LOCATED OUTDOORS? YES.
TO MAKE IT MATCH THE I M C SECTION.
AND SO WE COULD DO, UH, ONE MOTION FOR ITEM AGENDA ITEMS TWO AND THREE, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES SIR, THAT IS CORRECT.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INDICATING BOTH 2021 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE PROPOSED ADOPT, UH, AMENDMENTS AS WELL AS THE, UH, 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE AS PERTAINING TO MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, UH, AMENDMENTS.
AND WE'RE KICKING THAT PLUMBING ONE TO THE PLUMBING CODE.
SO, UH, HOW DO WE WORD
BUT, UM, I CAN, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL, I'LL WHOEVER WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THE AGENDA SO YOU CAN READ IT FROM THERE AS WELL.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE FULL BOARD ON THE ITEMS TAKEN FOR DISCUSSION OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS AND DISCUSSION OF SECTIONS OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE PERTAINING TO MECHANICAL SYSTEMS AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LAST ITEM THAT WILL GO TO THE PLUMBING COMMITTEE, WHICH IS M 2005 0.2.
UH, DO WE NEED ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS OR CAN WE GO AHEAD AND AND TAKE A VOTE? ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMITTEE.
UH, SO AS, AS PART OF THIS ADOPTION PROCESS, WE'RE ADOPTING INTO THE CHAPTER 10.
SO CHAPTER 10, THE MAIN PART OF THAT IS WHAT CODES WE ADOPT, WHAT AMENDMENTS WE ADOPT, BUT THERE ARE, ARE A FEW OTHER ITEMS, UH, KIND OF REGULATES, UH, CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO THROUGH LICENSING AND REGISTRATION OF THE VARIOUS CONTRACTORS AND TRADES.
SO I WANTED TO, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING SECTION 10 DASH 14, WHICH IS THE MECHANICAL LICENSING AND REGISTRATION HOLD UP TEND TO BE WELL PASSED ALL OVER.
UM, SO AS A KIND OF A LEAD UP INTO THIS, AND THIS DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE AN ACTIONABLE ITEM, UH, THIS WOULD JUST BE SOME GOOD INDICATING IN CONVERSATION, UH, ALSO WITH ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD HAVE, UH, ANY COMMENTS ON THIS AS WELL.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES UP FROM THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE CREATED THE STRIKE TEAM.
I KNOW WE HAVE A FEW NEW, UH, MEMBERS TO THE BOARD, BUT I KNOW, UH, SOME OF THESE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SET THROUGH MANY OF THOSE APPEALS PROCESS AND, UH, WHAT WE DO WHENEVER WE NEED TO REVOKE OR SUSPEND SOMEBODY'S REGISTRATION.
SO EACH SECTION, UH, EACH TRADE AND, AND, UH, CONTRACTOR TYPE HAS THEIR OWN SECTION AND IT'S KIND OF SPELLED OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TOWARDS THEIR REGISTRATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IS TO KIND OF TRUNCATE THAT A LITTLE BIT ANYTIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUSPENSION OR, OR REQUIREMENTS FOR GETTING A, UH, REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND WHAT WE
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CAN DO TO ENFORCE THAT REGISTRATION AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO PENALIZE THAT REGISTRATION.KINDA WANNA MOVE THAT FROM EVERY ONE OF THESE SECTIONS AND MOVE IT INTO ITS OWN SECTIONS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT REPEAT 10 TIMES.
UH, AS YOU HAVE TO TRUNCATE THIS, UH, THESE AMENDMENTS A LITTLE BIT IN MAKE CHAPTER 10 A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
UH, SO THAT'S MORE OF A, UM, CLERICAL ITEM, AN EDIT, UH, NOT, BUT WE JUST WANNA SEE IF Y'ALL HAD ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF ITEM NUMBER ONE.
UH, TO START WITH, REALLY WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANY OF THE, THE REQUIREMENTS, ANY OF THE PENALTIES AND OF THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
IT'S REALLY JUST ANYTHING THAT'S GENERIC ACROSS MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, BUILDING, CONTRACTORS, UH, DEMOLITION, ALL OF THOSE.
ANYTHING THAT'S SIMILAR TO THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, WE'LL JUST MOVE THAT TO ITS OWN SECTION SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REPEATED.
AND THEN WE CAN JUST REFERENCE THAT SECTION FOR EACH ONE OF THE TRADES.
SO THEY NEED TO BE FALL UNDER THAT FOR LICENSING OR, OR FOR REGISTRATION BONDING STUFF AS SUCH AS THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME? JUST A, UH, CURIOSITY.
UM, DOES THE CITY DO ANY TESTING ANYMORE? AN ISSUING OF NEW LICENSES? OR JUST RENEWAL OF EXISTING LICENSES? THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT ONE.
SO, UM, WE DON'T LICENSE, UH, WE DO HAVE MECHANICAL LICENSES LEFT.
THAT WAS REALLY THE LAST ONE THAT WE DID PUT OUT THERE.
UNDER THE 2018 ADOPTION, WE HAD ABOUT 160 LICENSES.
UH, THEY HAVE TO DO CONTINUED EDUCATION, BUT WE'RE NOT LONGER TESTING.
SO AS LONG AS THEY CAN MAINTAIN THOSE CONTINUED EDUCATIONS, UH, RE-UP WITH US, UH, PAY THE FEE FOR THE LICENSE ITSELF, THEN THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT LICENSE AND STAY.
BUT NOBODY'S, UH, IT'S NOT GRAND.
NOBODY CAN OBTAIN THE NEW ONE AND IT'S NON-TRANSFERRABLE.
SO THE GOAL IS FOR THIS TO SLOWLY CYCLE OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BY NEXT TIME OR YOU KNOW, SIX SI UH, SIX YEARS FROM NOW, WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT COMPLETELY REMOVING THE WORD LICENSING, BUT THAT SHOULD ONLY FALL UNDER SECTION 10 DASH ONE 14, WHICH IS THE MECHANICAL LICENSING.
NOW, UM, IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO MY AGENDA ITEM.
THE POWER TO JEREMY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO WHERE IT WAS REFERENCED WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT NO LONGER TESTING? UH, CORRECT.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU NOT BEEN TESTED, JOE? DO YOU HAVE THAT? IT IT, IT'S BEEN OVER 16, 17 YEARS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND IF, IF THAT'S THE AMENDMENT, WE JUST TAKE THAT SENTENCE OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING IT.
IT'S TALKING THE CITY NO LONGER LICENSES MCKENNA CO DO TESTING ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY.
IF YOU'RE NOT DOING IT AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT FOR 16 YEARS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU DO NEW.
IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST MORE INFORMATIONAL ONLY AND EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW BY NOW.
YEAH, NO, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN THINK OF, I THINK THE ONLY REASON WHY WE KEPT IT IS BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE SOME REGISTERED OR LICENSED MECHANICAL CONTRACTORS.
AS JEREMY SAID, WE HAVE ABOUT 102 RIGHT NOW WITH THE MECHANICAL, UH, LICENSE FROM THE CITY.
SO WE WOULD JUST, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND SAY SO AND SO HAS IT, WHY I CANNOT DO IT.
SO WE AGAIN, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY.
WE ARE NOT DOING ANY EXAMINATION ANYMORE AND WE ARE NOT GONNA GIVE NEW ONES, BUT A PERIOD AFTER THE WORD CONTRACTORS AND TAKE EVERYTHING ELSE OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST, I'M GONNA ASK ANOTHER YEAH.
UM, IF YOU JUST READING THIS, ANY PERSON PERFORMING WORK SHALL HAVE IN HIS POSSESSION OF LICENSE, BUT WE DON'T GIVE A LICENSE ANYMORE, SO, OH, WELL, IN POSSESSION OF A LICENSE VALID THROUGH THE CITY OR A VALID MECHANICAL LICENSE ISSUE BY THE STATE.
UH, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER ITEM I WAS GONNA BRING UP, MAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIDDING ME.
A LITTLE AHEAD OF MY TIME, UH, WHAT I WAS GOING FOR, BUT, BUT NO, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO GET CLEARED UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT YES.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EVERYBODY HAS A LICENSE AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY SPECIFYING IS YOU'RE THE LICENSE BY THE CITY OR SOME FORM OF LICENSE BY THE STATE, UH, TO AS OR YOU'RE EXEMPTED BY STATE LAW FROM CORRECT.
WHICH IS ALSO SPELLED OUT THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY NOT FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO, TO GET INTO SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT THE, THE PHRASE, ANY PERSON PERFORMING ANY FORM OF MECHANICAL WORK, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S REALLY VAGUE AND WE WANTED TO REACH OUT TO Y'ALL.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANNA TALK ABOUT IS WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WOULD YOU Y'ALL INTERPRET THAT? WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WORK? DOES THAT INCLUDE DUCT WORK? UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT JUST THE SYSTEMS THEMSELVES? YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO KIND OF THIS COMMITTEE TO GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW WE COULD REWORD THAT AND MAKE IT MORE APPLICABLE.
'CAUSE LIKE WE WERE SAYING, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WHOEVER'S DOING IT IS DOING IT RIGHT AND TRYING TO FOLLOW THE STATE.
WE, I DON'T THINK WE WANNA BE MORE STRICT THAN THEM.
UH, WE WANNA KIND OF BE IN LINE WITH WHATEVER THE STATE GUIDELINES ARE FOR PERFORMING MECHA.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY SO WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE IN CASE THERE IS ANY IMPACT TO OUR CITIZENS.
WE HAVE SOME RECOURSES SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN NO LONGER DO WORK IN THE CITY BECAUSE OF YOU CAN'T BE REGISTERED WITH US.
UH, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE TECHNICAL LICENSING, UH, WHAT THE STATE MANDATE, SO WHAT THEY CONSIDER MECHANICAL WORK,
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WE'RE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, AMEND THAT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.IS THERE A STATE REFERENCE THAT, THAT WOULD SPELL THAT OUT SO WE COULD DELETE IT OUT OF THE CITY CODE AND JUST SIMPLY REFER TO A STATE
AND, AND BASICALLY WHAT I MEAN BY THIS, LEMME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE 'CAUSE I ALREADY ASKED ABOUT THIS AND, AND TRY TO GET MORE INFORMATION, BUT THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT THEY SAY.
ANY PERSON PERFORMING ANY FORM OF, OF MECHANICAL WORK, UH, SHALL HAVE IN HIS POSSESSIONS OF VALID, UH, LICENSE ISSUED BY THE STATE.
THAT'S KIND OF SOMEWHAT THE SAME VERBIAGE THAT IT SAYS HERE, BUT IT ALSO SAYS THAT SUBCONTRACTORS DON'T HAVE TO BE LICENSED.
SO THE QUESTION CAME UP, DOES, DOES DUCT WORK PEOPLE PERFORM IN INSTALLING DUCT WORK? DO THEY REQUIRE TO BE LICENSED OR EVEN REGISTERED? AND SO THEY REFERENCED TO THOSE SECTIONS.
SO THERE IS SOME IN THERE, UH, BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR AS MUD.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE THE, WHO MAY BE A APPRENTICE OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE A LICENSE THAT ARE WORKING WITH A LICENSED PERSON? I MEAN, TECHNICALLY THIS WOULD MEAN THAT ANYBODY THAT TOUCHES THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM HAS TO HAVE A LICENSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA CLARIFY AND GET CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE OVERLY ENFORCING, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO OUT AND PENALIZE ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT AS WE MOVE INTO THOSE REALMS AND ANYBODY HAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A GOTCHA, WHY IS THIS NOT THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SHOULD BE UNDER A REGISTERED AND LICENSED, THAT'S WHERE WE WANT INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS DOING THE WORK AND CONTRACTING THAT WORK.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE NORM? WHAT IS THE INDUSTRY PRACTICE? AND THEN WE CAN TRY TO, YOU KNOW, CORRECT, GO TO THE STATE.
YOU KNOW, IF THE STATE HAS GOOD, CLEAR INDICATION, WE CAN ADD THAT TO IT.
BUT IF IT'S STILL THAT VAGUENESS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA BE OVER ENFORCED, BUT WE DO WANNA TRY TO MAKE IT A CLEAR LINE, UH, WITHIN OUR REGISTRATION PROCESS.
SO JUST AS SOMEONE WHO HIRES WORKERS, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT HIRE A LICENSED MECHANICAL PER, YOU KNOW, UM, CONTRACTOR TO PULL THE PERMIT, DESIGN THE SYSTEM IF HE'S NOT ON SITE AND HE'S GOT WORKERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DRILLING HOLES OR DOING LABOR.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST MAYBE MECHANICAL.
THIS IS PLUMBING ELECTRIC TOO.
IF AN INSPECTOR OR THE STRIKE TEAM OR WHOEVER DRIVES BY AND SEES PEOPLE WORKING, BUT NOT A LICENSE PAINTED ON THE SIDE OF A DOOR, YOU KNOW, WE GET A STOP WORK ORDER.
UM, I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THAT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT MAKES EVERYTHING MORE EXPENSIVE, MORE TIME CONSUMING.
UM, AND IT CUTS A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF THE, THE WORKFORCE IN THE CITY THAT, THAT NEED TO BE ABLE TO WORK.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER.
HOW HARD IS IT FOR US TO GET INTO PRI UH, PRI LICENSE IN TEXAS? AGAIN, I HAVEN'T BEEN LICENSED FROM, FROM A TRADE IN TEXAS.
I'VE BEEN LICENSED IN NEBRASKA AS AN APPRENTICE ELECTRICIAN.
UH, LET'S FOCUS ON MECHANICAL 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL.
THERE IS APPRENTICE PROGRAM, THERE IS LICENSES FROM THE STATE, SO WE CANNOT REMOVE THAT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT MECHANICAL BY ITSELF.
IT HAS DIFFERENT RULES THAN THE OTHER TWO, UH, DISCIPLINE.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET A MECHANICAL APPRENTICE LICENSE IN NEBRASKA? WHEN I GOT MY PRE MY PREVIOUS ONE 20 YEARS AGO, I SENT IN THE FEE AND GOT AN APPRENTICE LICENSE.
SO THE, THE STATE DOESN'T ISSUE APPRENTICE LICENSES FOR, FOR MECHANICAL.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE TWO TYPES OF REGISTRATIONS.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE VERBIAGE ON IT, BUT I KNOW THERE'S TWO TYPES.
ONE OF 'EM IS YOU PAY 20 BUCKS AND SAY I WORK FOR A, B, C COMPANY.
AND THEN YOU REGISTER AS A TECHNICIAN WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ADVANCED THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVE TO THE STATE THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE DOING IT FOR TWO YEARS AND YOU TAKE A TEST, BUT THEY DON'T CALL IT AN APPRENTICE LICENSE.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WORDAGE TO IT.
AND STILL, YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME QUALIFICATIONS THAT YOU, YOU'RE, YOU DO, YOU HAVE THE SAME LIMITATIONS AS JUST A REGULAR REGISTRATION THAT YOU PAY 20 BUCKS AND GOT IT.
SO THERE'S NOT AN APPRENTICE LEVEL, UH, AT THE STATE.
UH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS LICENSES IS CONCERNED, YOU EITHER REGISTER OR YOU'RE NOT.
ARE YOU A REGISTER OR YOU HAVE A LICENSE HOLDER? SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A, A, A JOURNEYMAN OR A PEN APPRENTICE LICENSE.
SO THERE'S REALLY TWO LICENSES.
YOU HAVE A STATE AIR CONDITIONING LICENSE OR YOU'RE REGISTERED, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE AFFILIATED WITH SOMEBODY THAT HAS A LICENSE.
YOU'RE WORKING UNDER A, A MASTER, BUT IT'S A REGISTRATION.
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IT'S NOT A LICENSE, IT'S JUST A REGISTRATION CARD.DOES THAT REGISTRATION CARD REQUIRE, REQUIRE THE MASTER TO BE PRESENT? NO.
WHEN THAT, THE WAY THAT THE STATE IS, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU JUST HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PRESENT AT THE JOB SITE, BUT IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR, OR, OR NEED TO SPEAK TO A MASTER LICENSE HOLDER, UH, THE, THE STATE REQUIRES YOU THAT THEY HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE.
OR VIDEO OR SOME OTHER TECHNOLOGY OR TEXT OR EMAIL.
SO, SO HOW DOES THE STATE REQUIREMENT THEN DIFFER FROM WHAT WE'RE READING HERE IN THE CITY ORDINANCE? WOULD REGISTRATION BE A LICENSE? NO.
WITH THE STATE OR WITH THE CITY? WITH THE CITY, NO.
EVERYTHING WE DO, THE LICENSE THAT WE DO IS, WAS BASED OFF OF TESTING AND CONTINUING EDUCATION.
SO THAT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
UH, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE HA WE HAVE LICENSING AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT.
BUT THIS IS MORE THE REGISTRATION, WHICH IS THE BULK OF IT.
LIKE WE SAID, WE HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE LEFT THAT ARE LICENSED, BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE THAT ARE, ARE RE THAT ARE LICENSED WITH THE STATE AND REGISTERED WITH US.
SO THE WAY THIS THING READS, THE ONLY PERSON IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO THAT CAN DO WORK ON AIR CONDITIONING IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS A MASTER LICENSE OR A CITY LICENSE AND NOBODY ELSE BECAUSE IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VALID LICENSE TO PERFORM ANY KIND OF WORK.
AND WHICH MEANS THAT EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS FOR A AIR CONDITIONING CONTRACTOR THAT DOES NOT HOLD A CITY LICENSE OR A STATE LICENSE, IS IT? CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHAT, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CODIFY.
SO THAT IT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT LEVEL OF WORK SHOULD YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, MR. FREES, BUT IF THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE REGISTERED TO DO SOME OF THIS WORK PER THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? IF SOMEBODY COULD BE WORKING UNDER A MASTER AND NOT EVEN BE DOCUMENTED WITH THE STATE AND, AND STILL BE LEGAL, OR IS THAT INCORRECT WITH A CITY LICENSE? NO, I'M SORRY, WITH IF YOU HAVE A MASTER LICENSE BY THE STATE ISSUED BY THE STATE AND ANYBODY DOING WORK UNDER HIM, IS EVERY SINGLE PERSON DOING WORK UNDER 'EM HAVE TO BE REGISTERED OR, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THEY HAVE TO BE REGISTERED.
I THOUGHT IT WAS TECHNICIANS ONLY INSTALLERS DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE REGISTRATION.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SEE, AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S A LITTLE, BECAUSE THE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT SAYS ANY PERSON PERFORMING ANY FORM OF MECHANICAL WORK.
SO IS DUCT WORK CONSIDERED PART OF THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM? YES.
BUT IT ALSO SAYS THAT SUBCONTRACTORS THAT ARE NOT LICENSED CAN WORK UNDER A, A, A MASTER PERSON.
SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN REGISTERED, THEY JUST, I'M A SUBCONTRACTOR.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR.
SO THAT WOULD INCLUDE PEOPLE, THAT'S HOW THEY GET AROUND THE INSTALLATION.
THEY SAY I'M A SUB X, Y, Z MECHANICAL CONTRACTOR SUBCONTRACTED WITH ME TO DO THE INSTALLATION.
WHICH IS AN INDUSTRY PRACTICE WE'RE NOT AGAINST.
WE JUST, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS SECTION MIMICS WHAT'S ACTUALLY OUT THERE AS LONG AS IT MAKES SENSE AND PROTECTING THE CITIZENS STILL.
BUT THEN WE'RE ENFORCING WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THESE TIES THAT WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT.
NOW, I MIGHT TAKE IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO, TO THE DEFINITION OF, OF MECHANICAL WORK.
UM, I'LL LAUGHINGLY TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE SEEN DENTISTS DURING C O V I D DENTISTS TAPING, HIPPA, UH, MERV 14 FILTERS ON THE RETURN GIRLS IN THEIR, IN THEIR DENTAL SUITE.
AND THEN
UM, THAT'S PROBABLY A STRETCH TOO FAR.
BUT LIKE FOR WHEN I WORKED FOR THE DEFENSE HEALTH AGENCY, WE, WE SAID DURING COVID, ANY ADJUSTMENT HAD TO BE OVERSEEN BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER BECAUSE WE WERE, WE WERE TAKING THAT, THAT AVAILABILITY OF DOING WORK OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE LOCAL TECHNICIANS BECAUSE THEY WERE DESTROYING SYSTEMS. YOU KNOW, SLAPPING HEPA FILTERS INTO A SYSTEM THAT ONLY HAD, YOU KNOW, MERV EIGHTS TO BEGIN WITH.
AND, AND SO I, I MIGHT TAKE A MORE EXPANSIVE VIEW OF MECHANICAL WORK, UM, TO BE ADDING OR REMOVING, YOU KNOW, DUCT WORK, DIFFUSERS EQUIPMENT APPLIANCES, I GUESS IF THAT'S THE,
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YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE MOVING A DIFFUSER IN A LAY AND TILE CEILING, SURE.BUT I I, I'VE SEEN LOTS OF SKETCHY STUFF OVER THE YEARS OF, OF SOMEBODY WHO WAS, I'LL SAY, REGISTERED WITH THE STATE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT $20 FEE.
AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT THERE CLOSING OFF HALF THE DIFFUSERS AND RIPPING DIFFUSERS OUT AND ADDING DIFFUSERS AND, AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A TRAIN WRECK.
SO I, I MIGHT TAKE A SLIGHTLY MORE EXPANSIVE READING OF THAT, UH, TO JUST BE THAT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN, THAN RELOCATING, YOU KNOW, IN ESSENCE AN EXISTING DEVICE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MECHANICAL WORK.
I MEAN, I MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
MINE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I'M A LICENSED MECHANICAL CONTRACTOR.
I PULL A PERMIT, THAT WORK IS GONNA BE INSPECTED IF IT PASSES INSPECTION, YOU KNOW, WHO CARESS, WHO'S DRILLING THE HOLES OR RUNNING THE DUCKS OR PUTTING THE THINGS IN, IS MY PERSPECTIVE.
BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THIS IS A LITTLE MORE EXPANSIVE THAT WOULD COVER REPAIRS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT YOU MAY NEVER, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE PERMITTED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THE, THE TIME IT'S NOT, AND THIS IS ONE WAY TO COME BACK WHEN SOMEBODY'S DOING BOOTLEG WORK, YOU KNOW, OR A SIDE JOB AND THEY HAVE THAT REGISTRATION, BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING ON THE WEEKEND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO I, I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO ADD A COMMA SOMEWHERE IN THERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, OR SUPERVISED BY A LICENSED INDIVIDUAL WOULD COVER IT.
BECAUSE THE EXEMPTION, THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING IT UNDER STATE LAW, BASICALLY EXEMPTS EVERY SUBCONTRACTOR PERIOD.
AND THERE'S NOTHING WITH THIS LANGUAGE THAT YOU, THE CITY CAN DO TO SAY DIFFERENT, CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, EXCEPT THE EXEMPTIONS ARE, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL EXEMPTIONS UNDER THIS IN, IN UNDER THE STATE LEVEL.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THEM IS IF, IF I OWN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND I HAVE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE WORKING FOR ME, I CAN'T, I CAN INSTALL, UH, APPLIANCES OR MECHANICAL, I CAN DO MECHANICAL WORK IN MY OWN PROPERTY IF I'M PAYING SOMEBODY TO DO IT.
SO THAT'S ONLY IF THEY'RE YOUR EMPLOYEE.
IN OTHER WORDS, I CAN'T SUBCONTRACT WITH AS AN APARTMENT OWNER WITH A THIRD PARTY THAT IS NOT ON MY DIRECT PAYROLL.
THAT EXEMPTION WOULDN'T EXACTLY.
AND, AND SO THEN, THEN YOU HAVE HOMEOWNERS THAT OWN THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, UH, BY STATE LAW.
THEY DON'T NEED TO, IF, IF IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, THEY CAN WORK ON THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING A, A MECHANICAL LICENSE.
SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE E P A CERTIFICATIONS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE A TWO DAY COURSE AND YOU CAN GET ONE.
UH, BUT SO THERE, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT THAT, THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO IN HERE, THAT IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED BY THE STATE, WE CANNOT REQUIRE IT EITHER.
BUT THAT WOULD INCLUDE SUBCONTRACTORS OF A LICENSED CONTRACTOR ALSO EXEMPTING.
THAT'S THE WAY THE TEXAS RE LAW READS IT.
DO WE JUST NEED TO INSERT THAT LANGUAGE INTO OURS? I MEAN, I, AND THIS ISN'T AN ACTION ITEM, RIGHT? THIS IS JUST GIVING FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE THINK IT IS AN ACTION ITEM.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE THIS.
UH, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS PROBABLY BRING UP A LOT OF THIS TO JUST THE STRAIGHT BOARD AT THE END OF THIS.
THEY JUST KIND OF, HERE'S A SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED TO THE COMMITTEES, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE GOAL IS FOR US TO HAVE A BIG LENGTHY CONVERSATION AND THEN HAVE TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON SOMETHING.
THE GOAL IS REALLY GIVE US Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL FEEL THE NEED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE COMMITTEE'S DECISION.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS MORE JUST, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS GIVING US SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW TO APPROACH THIS.
AND THEN WE WOULD GO TO THE FULL BOARD FOR FINAL DECISION ON ALL THESE LIKE NON CODE SECTIONS OF CHAPTER 10.
JUST AGAIN, BEING, HAVING BEEN LICENSED IN NEBRASKA FOR OTHER STUFF, IT WAS, UM, WHEN I PULLED PERMITS FOR MY OWN PROPERTY UP THERE, I COULD, I COULD PULL, AND EVEN MISSOURI, I COULD AS A HOMEOWNER, I WASN'T LICENSED IN MISSOURI, BUT AS A HOMEOWNER, I COULD DO WORK ON MY OWN PROPERTY THAT I RESIDED IN.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY NEBRASKA AND MISSOURI HAD IT AGAIN MANY YEARS AGO.
UM, SO YEAH, IF TEXAS LAW ALLOWS YOU, IT'S ANY PROPERTY YOU OWN, THAT'S A, A BIT OF AN EYE EYE RAISE BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU'VE GOT A, A HOUSE THAT YOU'RE RENTING OUT, YOU CAN GO DO WORK ON THAT, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT GETS US INTO THE SLUM LORD SIDE OF THINGS.
AND, AND YOU SEE HERE, HERE'S THE OTHER THING.
MOST OF THE BIG APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THEY ARE BEING MANAGED BY A, BY A THIRD PARTY COMPANY.
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LIVES THERE.IF THEY HAVE A REGISTRATION, THEY CAN BUY EQUIPMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY AND THEY CAN INSTALL IT, WORK IN IT, REPLACE IT, ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA HEAR THE SOMEWHAT MORE AMUSING THING, AND I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK THE MOST RECENT LAW FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT I THINK AS A PROPERTY OWNER, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ENGAGE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
BUT THOSE, THOSE MAINTENANCE ITEMS ARE CHAPTER SIX, RIGHT? THAT'S THE P M C? NO, THEY'RE THE, THE CHAPTER 10 HAS THE MAINTENANCE.
THE RIGHT, BUT THAT'S FOR, THAT'S FOR A PERMIT.
THAT, THAT'S TO OBTAIN A PERMIT.
SO IT IT BE WHAT, IN ORDER TO KIND OF MONITOR, ENFORCE SOME OF THE CODES ON APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UH, WE CREATED THAT, THAT, UH, MAINTENANCE PERMIT, WHICH IS A MECHANICAL MAINTENANCE.
IT'S A YEARLY PERMIT THAT WE REQUIRE FOR APARTMENTS TO HAVE.
AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IS TO SHOW UP, ASK THEM FOR YOUR, YOUR LOGS TO SHOW US WHAT IS IT THAT YOU REPLACED, AND THEN WE GIVES US THE ABILITY TO GO IN THERE AND INSPECT, AND THEN WE CAN ENFORCE THE CODES.
BUT THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CREATED THAT'S FROM THE, THROUGH THE P M C.
'CAUSE, UH, APPEALS FOR THAT GO THROUGH, UM, UH, THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD.
I THOUGHT THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
DO WE LOBBY THE STATE AT ALL TO TRY TO GET THESE THINGS CHANGED? IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I MEAN, THE, THE N NONE OF THE SIDES INVOLVED IN THE LICENSING ACT WANT TO OPEN UP THE LICENSING ACT BECAUSE IT'S WORLD WAR III AMONG EVERYBODY.
AND IT'S JUST, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON, IT'S SO, I MEAN, WE'VE ALL GIVEN SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT WHERE WE THINK, I MEAN, DO YOU NEED SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC OR ARE YOU HEARING US THAT WE WANNA CLEAN THAT UP SO THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT, THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT EXCLUDING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, FROM, FROM WORK, BUT FOLLOWING THE STATE GUIDELINES AND NOT CLOSING LOOPHOLES THAT ARE CREATED BY THE STATE, ET CETERA, IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE ARE? AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH, I, I AGREE.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, I DON'T THINK IT'S, THE CITY TENDS TO BE MORE STRICT THAN THE STATE.
IT'S MORE JUST TO MAKE SURE ANY CODES THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS FOLLOWS AND MIMICS THAT PROPERLY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO, I THINK WE ARE ABLE TO, IF WE NEEDED TO GO MORE STRINGENT, BUT AS YOU BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO TRY TO TAKE JOBS AWAY FROM ANYBODY BY ANY MEANS.
I, I, I WILL ADVOCATE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I, THE, THE SMALL AMOUNT THAT I'VE LEARNED ON THE LICENSING SLASH REGISTRATION OF THE STATE, UM, I'M, I'M NEVER A BIG FAN OF OVERLY REGULATING, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU'RE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE OR LICENSED WITH THE STATE, WHY DO WE NEED TO REGISTER WITH THE CITY? IT'S JUST A WAY FOR THE CITY TO COLLECT MONEY, IS MY OPINION.
SO THERE'S, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MAINTENANCE PIECE IS A LOOPHOLE THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT PERMITTING, JUST SO YOU CAN KEEP AN EYE ON STUFF.
WELL, NO, AND IT WAS AN INDUSTRY SUPPORTED, I MEAN, THE INDUSTRY CAME TO THE CITY AND WORKED WITH THE CITY, UH, COUPLE.
THIS IS THE APARTMENT INDUSTRY.
NO, I, I WAS MORE 2000 6, 7, 8.
WE WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE IT EXPANDED TO COVER ALL RESIDENTIAL, UH, RENTAL PROPERTY.
JUST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S LIMITED TO OUR TWO USES ONLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MEETINGS WE'RE GONNA HAVE BEFORE IT GETS TO THE FORM FORMAL BOARD WOULD BE TO EXPAND IT, TO ALLOW IT TO APPLY TO OUR ALL, YOU KNOW, I I'D AGREE THAT RESIDENTIAL RENTAL AGREE, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I SAW IN OTHER STATES WHERE I'VE, WHERE I'VE DONE WORK ON MY OWN HOME, IS YOU HAD TO RESIDE IN THAT HOME WAS THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD PULL A PERMIT AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY SORT OF LICENSE OR REGISTRATION TO DO WORK ON YOUR OWN HOME, BUT YOU STILL HAD TO PULL A PERMIT.
WE HAVE HERE
SO IN A RESIDENTIAL RENTAL THAT IS NOT LIVED IN BY THE OWNER, THE CITY WON'T GRANT A PERMIT FOR THE OWNER'S EMPLOYEE TO REPLACE IT.
HOWEVER, THE STATE EXEMPTS THAT PERSON FROM HAVING A LICENSE.
SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IT APPLY TO ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHICH SECTION THAT IS, BUT WHEN, CORRECT.
YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S ON THE AGENDA AND I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TIME THAT WOULD BE, BUT THAT IS IN OUR LOOKS TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THOSE BEFORE WE MOVE TO CHAPTER 10 FULLY.
BUT FOR, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SUBCOMMITTEE, SINCE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MATCH UP WITH ALL THE, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THE INTENT WAS TO CLEAN THIS UP AND CONSOLIDATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORDSMITHING THIS, JUST KIND OF GIVING THE CITY DIRECTION ABOUT WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA REQUIRE
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INPUT FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT, WELL, I MEAN THIS ONE'S MORE SPECIFIC TO MECHANICAL.WE'LL, WELL THE, YOU KNOW, THAT ITEM, THE, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE WORDSMITHING WAS MORE, UH, KIND OF LIKE THE PROCESS OF BEING REGISTERED WITH THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT REQUIRES A BACKGROUND CHECK, WHAT DOESN'T? I MEAN, THE ME TRADES, WE DON'T REALLY GET INTO WHICH ONES REQUIRE FEES.
UH, TO YOUR POINT, WE, YOU KNOW, THE REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY FOR ANY OF THE TRADES DON'T HAVE A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA, MECHANICAL HAD IT AT ONE POINT.
THAT'S BEEN STATE LAW SAYING WE CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA REMOVE THAT AS A CLERICAL ITEM FROM OUR FEE SCHEDULE.
UH, SO THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, REGISTERED HAVE REGISTRATION FEES ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT LICENSED BY THE STATE, AND SO THEY'RE ONLY REGISTERED WITH THE CITY AND THAT, UH, SO THERE'S NO REAL GROUND FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S TYPICALLY HOME BUILDERS, UH, YOU KNOW, REMODEL AND, UM, NEW HOME BUILDERS ONLY, AND SOME DEMOLITION AND SOME STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS IN THE SENSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT PULLING THEIR PERMITS, NOT DOING THINGS PROPERLY.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, EVEN IF YOU'RE LICENSED IN THE STATE, YOU'RE NOT REGISTERED, SO YOU CAN'T DO WORK HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PERFORMING, YOU'RE NOT PULLING THE PERMITS.
YOU'RE, OR YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF COURT CASE AGAINST YOU THAT'S BEEN A VERDICT AGAINST YOU, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PULL THAT REGISTRATION.
ALL OF THAT TYPE OF VERBIAGE IS ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT REGISTRATIONS.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA CONSOLIDATE INTO ONE SECTION SO IT'S NOT REPEATED FIVE TIMES.
SO I CAN, AND THEN JEREMY, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS YOU TAKE THE STATE LANGUAGE AND SAY YOU WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A STATE LICENSE, AND THEN IN THE EXEMPTIONS YOU COME BACK AND SAY, WITH THE CITY LICENSE, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MIX BOTH OF THEM UP TOGETHER, BECAUSE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED TO DO ANY KIND OF AIR CONDITIONING WORK WITH THE FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER EXEMPTIONS THEY GIVE.
THE OTHER EXEMPTION IS YOU CAN PERFORM WORK THE SAME WORK IN SAN ANTONIO IF YOU HAVE A CITY LICENSE.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE EXEMPTION AND JUST PULL THE SAME LANGUAGE OUT OF THE STATE.
SO YOU WERE NOT HAVING TO RECREATE THE WHEEL.
AND THAT WAS GOOD ON THE LICENSING.
I JUST WAS GONNA SAY, I, I'M JUST NOT A FAN OF IF, AND I'LL KIND OF USE THE LICENSING WORD, LIKE YOU SAID, FOR THOSE MASTER LEVEL PEOPLE OR EVEN THE REGISTERED AT THE STATE.
I JUST, I DON'T, IT'S A DUPLICATION OF EFFORT.
IT'S A WASTE OF PEOPLE'S TIME.
IF YOU'RE ALREADY LICENSED WITH A STATE OR REGISTERED WITH THE STATE, I'M, I AM NOT A FAN OF REDOING THAT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.
I JUST, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF, OF A BUSINESS OWNER'S TIME TO COME IN AND CONTINUE TO DO THAT, TO DO THE, BASICALLY THE EXACT SAME THING WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT AT THE STATE.
I REALIZE IT'S SOMEWHAT MAYBE IMPACTS YOUR, YOUR ABILITY, UH, TO GET PEOPLE.
BUT I MEAN, WE'VE ALL WORKED IN CONSTRUCTION LONG ENOUGH.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN PEOPLE WHO AREN'T LICENSED IN THE JURISDICTION? THEY'RE DOING WORK, DOING WORK? AND SO, I MEAN, OR HOW, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY FINES ARE YOU ISSUING A YEAR FOR, UH, I'LL USE THE WORD UNLICENSED WORK FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS LICENSED BY THE STATE BUT NOT LICENSED IN SAN ANTONIO? I MEAN, ARE, ARE WE REALLY PROVIDING A BENEFIT TO THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, THAT LEVEL I'D LIKE TO SEE OR KNOW SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, UM, I WAS THINKING NEBRASKA AND MISSOURI WITH THE TRADES, IT'S, YOU WERE LICENSED WITH THE STATE AND THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF IT.
MISSOURI ACTUALLY WAS, I THINK IN THE PROCESS OF, OF TRYING TO CHANGE SOME OF THAT BECAUSE IT WAS, UM, LICENSED BY THE CITIES.
THAT WAS NOT ANYTHING AT THE STATE AT THE TIME.
I'M GOING BACK 10 YEARS, BUT I THINK IN NEBRASKA IT WAS ALL, EVERYTHING WAS, THE LICENSERS AND REGISTRATION WERE ALL BY THE STATE.
A LICENSURE AS A BUSINESS ENTITY WAS BY THE STATE.
THE CITIES WERE COMPLETELY TAKEN OUT.
AND I, AGAIN, FOR ME, I, I DON'T SEE A BENEFIT TO, TO OUR TAXPAYERS OR TO OUR BUSINESS OWNERS TO MAKE SOMEBODY COME IN AND REGISTER.
NO, I'M NOT ADVOCATING, REG, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT REGISTERING IS THERE ARE 170 PEOPLE THAT HAVE CITY LICENSES, WHICH ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE STATE LICENSE.
AND THOSE WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT FOR THE EXEMPTION IS TO, I'D AGREE WITH THAT, TO EXEMPT THOSE PEOPLE FROM HAVING A STATE LICENSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE EXEMPTION PART OF IT, RATHER THAN DEALING WITH IT UP IN THE MAIN PART OF THE DEAL JUST TO SAY EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE A STATE LICENSE PERIOD, YOU KNOW, OR HAVE ONE OF THE EXEMPTIONS GRANTED BY THE STATE, WHICH WOULD BE AN EMPLOYEE OR SUBCONTRACTOR, AND THEN IN THE EXEMPTIONS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE EXEMPTED FROM THIS PROVISION IF YOU HAVE A CITY LICENSE.
ONE OF THE GRANDFATHERED CITY LICENSES.
BUT, UH, GREG, I, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE REGISTRATION A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND AS I KIND OF MENTIONED BEFORE, I KNOW AS A NEW BOARD MEMBER, YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T SEEN, BUT THEY HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, WE WENT FROM HAVING ONE TWO APPEALS MAX A YEAR TO HAVING 5, 6, 7, 8 IN ONE YEAR BECAUSE WE ARE GOING ACTIVELY GOING AFTER THESE BAD ACTORS.
WE DO HAVE A TEAM OF, OF SIX INDIVIDUALS, UH, SCHEDULED, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE BUILT AROUND DOING NOTHING BUT
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INVESTIGATING.AND WHAT IT IS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY SOMETIMES WILL PULL A PERMIT BUT NOT DO INSPECTIONS AND NOT CLOSE IT OUT AND NOT DO THINGS PROPERLY.
SOMETIMES THEY DON'T DO PERMIT WORK, BUT THEY'RE ALL LICENSED BY THE STATE.
SO WHILE YOU KNOW THE STATE, AND WE DO REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL, ANYTIME WE DO COME ACROSS THIS, WE DO REACH OUT TO THE STATE AND LET 'EM KNOW.
THEY DO INVESTIGATIONS AS WELL.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIGGER ENTITY WITH, YOU KNOW, LESS ABILITY TO, TO INTERACT WITH SOME OF THESE AND OVERSEEING A LOT OF AREAS.
UH, SO IT'S A, IT IS A CUSTOMER INITIATIVE THAT THE CITY FELT LIKE WE NEEDED, UH, BECAUSE OF A LOT OF HOMES THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF REMODELS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S JUST NOT DUE TO CODE.
NOW PEOPLE ARE PURCHASING HOMES FOR A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, PER SQUARE FOOT THAT ARE NOT CODE COMPLIANT, HAVE A LOT OF DEFICIENCIES AND ISSUES.
AND THAT WAS THE CITY'S APPROACH TO ADDRESSING THAT.
AND THE REGISTRATION HELPS US WITH THAT.
IT'S KIND OF, AND THEN ALSO ON AS PART OF THAT IS WE NEED TO KNOW BEFORE WE CAN ISSUE A PERMIT, DO YOU HAVE THAT STATE LICENSE THAT REGISTRATION TIES IN WITH OUR BUILD SA SYSTEM JUST TO SAY, OH YEAH, I CAN PULL THIS PERMIT BECAUSE I HAVE A REGISTRATION.
I PROVE THAT I, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE, THE STATE LICENSE AS NEEDED.
AND SO, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S NO FEE ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF THOSE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE INCUR ON OUR END, UH, JUST AS A CHECKS AND BALANCES.
CAN THEY DO IT ONLINE? YEAH, THAT WAS THE NEXT QUESTION.
WELL, I MEAN, OUR GOAL IS TO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, I, I'M NOT SURE IF AME KNOWS, BUT I THINK THE GOAL TO REGISTER AND MAINTAIN REGISTRATION, THAT'S ALL THROUGH EMAILS OR THROUGH THE BUILD STATE SYSTEM, THEY CAN UPLOAD ALL THE DOCUMENTATION IS NEEDED AND IT'S APPROVED.
UM, AND REALLY, ONCE AGAIN, FOR THE REGISTRATION OF THE LICENSE BY THE STATE, IT'S REALLY PROVIDE US THAT AND THAT'S IT.
AND THEN MAINTAIN YOUR, YOUR PORTAL, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO PULL PERMITS AND BE TIED INTO BUILDING PERMITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO PERFORM THE WORK AND CALL INSPECTION.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A MINOR, UH, INCONVENIENCE, BUT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS A MINOR INCONVENIENCE.
I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE TRADE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I'D REFER TO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TO HOW MUCH OF A, AN ANNOYANCE IT MIGHT BE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? UH, SO I, I JUST AS A REAL QUICK SUMMARY SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, I THINK WHERE THE CITY'S TAKING IT FROM.
SO ON THE, ON THE SECTION THAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, REGISTRATION, LICENSING, SCOPE OF WORK, WHAT CAN BE DONE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA REALLY DO IS WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE STATE.
I KNOW AS, AS, UH, MR. FREEA SAID THERE A LITTLE BIT OF MUDDY, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO CLEAN IT UP AND TRY TO JUST MIMIC ON WHO CAN BE REGISTERED AND LICENSED TO DO WORK AND WHAT WORK CAN THAT PERSON DO AND WHAT WORK CAN UNREGISTERED OR UNLICENSED PEOPLE DO UNDER A MASTER THAT'S PULLING THE PERMIT AND TRY TO CLEAN THAT A LITTLE UP.
AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO COME BACK DIRECTLY TO THIS COMMITTEE.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL PROBABLY HIGHLIGHT WHEN WE'RE GOING OVER ALL THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO CHAPTER 10 TO THE FULL BOARD.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION FROM THAT AND WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE TO Y'ALL.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT AS RIGHT NOW, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION Y'ALL WANNA HAVE JUST ON THAT SPECIFIC ITEM, UH, FOR THE COMMITTEE? I CAN RUN THROUGH THESE NEXT ITEMS REAL QUICK AFTER THAT.
I THINK WE'VE COVERED IT PRETTY IN DEPTH AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE REALLY WAS JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THAT LICENSES AND REGISTRATION.
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, THAT'S, THAT IS THE ONLY LICENSE WE OFFER.
UM, IT IS SPECIFIC TO THE MECHANICAL TRADE AND IT'S GOING AWAY.
SO ULTIMATELY THIS SECTION WILL BECOME REGISTRATION ONLY.
UM, BETTER DEFINE PERFORMING ANY FORM OF, UH, MECHANICAL WORK.
THAT WAS KIND OF THE SECOND ITEM I WANTED TO DISCUSS.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE JUST CLEARED UP, THAT WE WILL GO TO THE STATE AND TRY TO GET THAT BETTER DEFINED AND DETERMINE, UH, WHO CAN DO THAT WORK UNDER A MASTER AND WHO NEEDS TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UH, SO VEHICLE SIGNAGE, UH, THAT, THAT'S A CLER OR A, UM, MORE OF AN EDITORIAL.
SO RIGHT NOW WE REQUIRE, IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN AS PAINTED OR COMPRISED OF PERMANENTLY AFFIXED AND THE STATE ALLOWS MECHANICAL OR, UH, MAGNETIC DECALS ESPECIALLY THAT HELPS WITH KIND OF THE TRADE AS THEY DO HIGHER SUBS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BOUNCE AROUND UNDER THE MASTERS.
SO THEY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO TELL US WHO, WHAT MASTER THEY'RE WORKING FOR AT THAT TIME SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT PERMIT HOLDER IS DOING THAT WORK.
BUT WE'RE MAGNETIC DECALS, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ADDING THAT.
SO IN, IN RED THERE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE ADDING.
IF IT'S A SUBCONTRACTOR WHO IS INSTALLING, LET'S SAY, DUCT WORK, THEY'RE REQUIRED NOW TO HAVE THE NAME OF THE COMPANY ON THEIR VEHICLE WITH THE LICENSE NUMBER AS THEY ARE WORKING.
JOSEPH, YOU WANNA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE.
UH, I, OUR, THIS IS OUR STRIKE TEAM CHIEF.
HE'LL COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
JUST SO, LIKE I SAID, HE'S, HE'S IN THE MUD WITH THIS A LOT MORE THAN I AM, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEARED.
HOW YOU DOING? SO, UM, TECHNICALLY YES.
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MY NAME'S JOSEPH BERNAL, STRIKE TEAM SUPERVISOR.UM, YES, UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SAY WHO THEY'RE WORKING FOR AS IT'S, UH, TRADE SPECIFIC BECAUSE A PERMIT HOLDER IS RESPONSIBLE AND IF I JUST HAVE ANYBODY OUT THERE WORKING, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY IS.
SO BY THEM HAVING IDENTIFICATION ON THE VEHICLE, IT'LL DEMONSTRATE WHO THEY'RE WORKING FOR AT THE TIME FOR THAT PROJECT THAT THEY'RE ON.
SO THIS WILL HELP US IF THEY'RE TAKING OFF THEIR SIGN.
UM, WE HAD TO LOOK, WE HAD A CASE WHERE, UM, SOMEBODY DIDN'T TAKE OFF THEIRS AND THEY WERE WORKING FOR A DIFFERENT COMPANY AND WE CALLED THE MASTER THAT WAS ON THE VEHICLE AND HE SAID, HEY, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY BUSINESS WITH THEM IN OVER A YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE COME TO PROBLEMS. WE'RE NOT IDENTIFYING WHO'S WORKING FOR WHO STATE, WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING CORRECT REQUIREMENT.
THAT IS A STATE REQUIREMENT YES.
FOR THE VEHICLES TO BE IDENTIFIED.
SO MAYBE JUST A POINT, POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR ME, AGAIN, THIS IS MORE LIKE A 10 99 EMPLOYEE OR THAT'S, THAT'S WORKING FOR ONE OF THESE MASTERS AS OPPOSED TO HERE IS THE MECHANICAL CONTRACTOR WHO DOES LET'S SAY REFRIGERATION INSTALLS AND HE SUBS OUT TO A LIGHT, I'LL SAY A REGISTERED DUCT WORK INSTALLER.
THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT FROM NEW BOARD.
YEAH, I MEAN THEY WOULD BOTH BE 10 99.
ONE WOULD BE A COMPANY, ONE'S A PERSON, BUT OKAY.
YEAH, I DID JUST, YEAH, I, I MEAN I JUST, JUST FOLLOWING, WE'RE MAKING THIS CHANGE TO FOLLOW THE STATE'S CORRECT RULES.
AND WE'LL FORCE IT AS THE STATE ENFORCES IT.
JUST A, A COUPLE OF QUICK THOUGHTS ON, ON THE VEHICLE SIGNAGE.
UM, JUAN, I BELIEVE IN THE STATE REQUIREMENT THAT IT HAS TO BE OF CONTRASTING COLORS, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
SO IF YOU END UP WITH BLACK ON BLACK, WHITE ON WHITE
UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE MAGNETIC DECALS, SINCE THAT'S IN THE ONLY REASON I LOOK AT THAT ONE 'CAUSE IT'S IN RED.
UM, WE KNOW THAT FORD VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS ARE ALUMINUM, SO, AND TOYOTA'S GOING TO ALUMINUM AND I COULD SEE MORE MANUFACTURERS DOING ALUMINUM.
SO THEN MAYBE RATHER THAN PERMANENTLY AFFIXED OR MAGNETIC, MAGNETIC DECALS, JUST, UH, TEMPORARY OR SOME FORM YEAH.
PERMANENTLY SLASH TEMPORARY OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT'S VALID AND THAT'S THE INTENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERCHANGEABLE OR YOU KNOW, INTERCHANGEABLE DECALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, COULD WE JUST TAKE OFF, SO IT COULD BE JUST HAS TO BE DISPLAYED AND HOW THEY CHOOSE TO DISPLAY IT, WHETHER THEY PAINT IT, USE A STICKER OR THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER THE METHOD.
YEAH, I THINK THAT, I MEAN, I CAN'T THINK OF JOSEPH IS OR YOU CAN TALK THERE.
YEAH, SORRY, IS THERE A STATE THERE'S THAT WE COULD REFERENCE TO RATHER THAN JUST GOING ALL THIS AND BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, JUST REFER TO STATE LAW BLAH, X, Y, Z.
YEAH, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR SIZE AND COLOR, LIKE HE'S STATING FOR THEM TO HAVE IT ON THEIR VEHICLES, AND THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE CHAPTER AS WELL.
I, I WOULD STRIKE THE LANGUAGE OUT OF WHAT WE'VE GOT AT THE CITY AND JUST REFERENCE STRAIGHT UP TO THE STATE LAW.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING LIKE STRIKE THROUGH AND LIKE AS FORMAL AS WE WERE TO, IT'S UP TO Y'ALL IF Y'ALL WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT FULL PROCESS OR IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE KIND OF PRESENTING THIS TO THE FULL BOARD AT THE, IN THE, IN THE, AS A WHOLE OF CHAPTER 10 NON, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE ON IF THEY WANNA TAKE AN ACTION ON THIS AND MAKE IT OFFICIAL OR ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY JUST TAKING Y'ALL'S, UH, ADVICE AND THEN WE'LL AMEND IT AS, AS NEEDED.
I, THE REASON I WAS SAYING THAT, DO AGAIN, NOT KNOWING LIKE HOMEROOM WHOLE BOY CAN'T EVEN SAY THE WORD.
WOULD THE STATE LAW TAKE JURISDICTION OVER ANYTHING WE DID ANYWAY FROM A SUPREMACY CLAUSE? SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY EVEN HAVE IT IN OURS? LET'S GET RID OF IT.
WELL, NO, DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE STATE EXEMPTS THE CITY FROM CHANGING IT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE WHO CAN PERFORM THE WORK, THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS EVERY CITY LAW HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THIS.
I WAS JUST REFERRING TO SIGNAGE, BUT IF IT'S SI THE SIGNAGE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME CAUSE WITHIN IT.
BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A LISTING TO TELL EVERYBODY SO WHEN THEY LOOK AT IT, THEY CAN SEE IT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, AS AN OPERATOR, IT'S EASIER TO GO TO THE CITY THAN TO HAVE TO SPEND TWO HOURS GOING FROM PLACE TO PLACE TO FIND DIFFERENT STUFF.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH TECHNOLOGY CHANGING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IS A PEEL AND STICK LICENSE ON THE THING.
IT'S NOT PERMANENTLY AFFIX THAT WOULD BE PAINTED.
AND SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SAY, YOU NEED TO DISPLAY, YOU KNOW? YEAH, DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT INTENT AND, AND THE, THE INTENT AND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, THE OTHER SECTION WE DISCUSSED, I MEAN OUR GOAL WOULD BE WE CAN GO BACK AND KIND OF RECIRCLE WHAT THE, WHAT THE STATE'S DOING.
ONE, MAKE SURE THERE IS NO HOME RULE, THAT WE'RE NOT ENFORCING SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, EXCEEDING, BUT WE REALLY AREN'T EVEN TRYING TO DO THAT.
I THINK WE WANT TO, UH, DO WHAT THE STATE, UH, UNLESS WE SEE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A MAJOR CONCERN WITH, WHICH WE WOULD HIGHLIGHT AND, AND WANT THE BOARD TO ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION ON.
BUT RIGHT NOW OUR, I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO JUST KINDA
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GO BACK TO WHAT THE STATE'S DOING AND FOLLOW WHAT THE STATE IS.I MEAN OUR, OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE PULLING THE PERMITS, YOU'RE CALLING IN THE INSPECTIONS AND WE'RE MAKING SURE THE WORK IS DONE PROPERLY.
UH, BUT THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
AND IF THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT'S LICENSED BY THE STATE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T FEEL THEY SHOULD BE DOING CITY WORK.
DO DO YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF THE CITY STAFF UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE INTENT OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO WITH THIS BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I, UNLESS ANYBODY REALLY DISAGREES, I DON'T SEE THE VALUE IN TRYING TO, TO WORD LIKE WORDSMITH THIS AND FINALIZE THE LANGUAGE.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF MADE OUR, OUR POINT AND WE CAN CORRECT, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
I BELIEVE THE POINT IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S FOLLOW THE STATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
IF WE HAVE ANY MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THAT, WE CAN BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD AND HIGHLIGHT THAT SIGNIFICANTLY, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF OF THE COMMITTEE WE CAME UP WITH THIS, BUT WE HAVE A CONCERN WE WANT TO HAVE SOME ACTION FROM THE, FROM THE BOARD OR COMMITTEE ON BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT
THAT IS EVERYTHING ON THIS, UH, ONCE AGAIN, SO THIS IS Y'ALL'S AGENDA ITEM IF Y'ALL WANNA MOVE FORWARD.
I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
SO THEY CAN JUST SAY, OKAY, NO, NO MOTION REQUIRED.
IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER, ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE
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THIS COMMITTEE? UM, NO.UH, JUST A REAL QUICK RECAP FOR THE SAME THING.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FULL PRESENTATION WE DID LAST TIME.
THIS IS MORE JUST FOR ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING THIS LIVE.
UM, OUR RECORDING, UH, JUST A REMINDER THAT WE DO HAVE THE CODED OPTION WEBSITE.
UH, HERE'S WHERE IT'S LOCATED AT, UH, THE MEETING RECORDS.
UH, SO THIS, ONCE AGAIN, ALL THE RECORDINGS CAN BE FOUND UNDER THE MEETING RECORDINGS, UH, OFF OUR D S D WEBSITE FOR BOARDS AND MEETING VIDEOS.
AND FINALLY, ANY COMMENTS, REQUESTS, ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE PRESENTED TO THIS COMMITTEE WANNA DISCUSS WITH THE, THE BOARD OR I'M SORRY, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? THE WEBSITE OR THE EMAIL ADDRESS THERE, UH, WOULD BE FORWARD DIRECTLY TO ME.
WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL.
SO IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD BE THE LAST MEETING OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE, IS THAT CORRECT? UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT, THAT COMES UP.
AT THIS POINT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED AND NO CURRENT ITEMS THAT HAVE COME UP.
UM, IF ANYTHING DOES CHANGE, I WILL REACH OUT, UH, TO THE CHAIR AND WE CAN SEE IF WE NEED A MEETING, HAVE A MEETING OR NOT.
WELL, I I HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE YOU.
THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS HAVE BEEN REACHED OUT TO CONTACTED, ASKED FOR COMMENT AS MUCH AS I THINK WE CAN.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONTINUING, WE HAVE, UH,
UH, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO, UH, P H C C FOR THIS ONE.
WE'LL ALSO DO THE SAME THING FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT TRADES.
UH, WE'VE BEEN PUSHING THIS OUT TO D P T F AND ALL OF OUR OTHER STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS FOR THE LAST, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY SIX MONTHS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO GET THIS STARTED.
WE HAVE, UH, YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT I MEAN THAT WEBSITE IS VERY DIVERSE AND HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND IT'S ON THE MAIN BANNER.
SO ANYBODY THAT GOES TO OUR D S D WEBSITE WILL COME ACROSS THAT.
UM, SO WE'RE, AND WE'VE ALSO HAD TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST OPEN IT UP TO EVERYBODY, WE HAVE IT ON OUR ESSAY, SPEAK UP CONSTANTLY AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANKS EVERYBODY, UH, FOR THEIR TIME AND ATTENTION AND, UH, WE'RE ADJOURNED.