* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] UM, SO MR. CHAIR, UM, WE'RE READY TO START [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] ACTUALLY ROLLING. CAN I HEAR FROM YOU REAL QUICK? CAN YOU TRY AGAIN? I THINK YOU'RE STILL MUTED. I'M HERE. GREAT. I CAN HEAR YOU GOOD. UM, WE DON'T HAVE INTERPRETERS AT THE MOMENT. UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, TRANSLATE THE RECORDING SO THAT'LL BE AVAILABLE, POSTED LATER. UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES COMPANY TO GET SOMEBODY HERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UH, TRANSLATION SERVICES HAVE NOT BEEN REQUESTED FOR THE MEETING, SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYBODY NEEDING THEM TO START. SO I THINK WE CAN START. ALRIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 2ND, 2022. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. THIS ABSENT SENO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ HERE. LES ABSENT MCA. HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTE HERE. THAT SIR. HERE. LUNE IS ABSENT AND WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO OUR FIRST BUSINESS ITEMS. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE-CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. MASKS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN PERSON. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED AND WILL BE TRANSLATED INTO SPANISH AFTER THE MEETING. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS, UH, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, PLEASE CONTACT CITY STAFF WHILE WE LOCATE AN INTERPRETER FOR YOU. TODAY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY, WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW AND CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT SLANDEROUS, THREATENING, ABUSIVE, OR DISPARAGING COMMENTS. ALL THOSE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER. THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE, SHOUTING, VERBAL INTIMIDATION OR PHYSICAL ACTIONS THAT COULD REASONABLY CONSTRUED AS THREATENING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS ALMA LOZANO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO REINFORCE THAT LAST YEAR THE BOARD ADOPTED RULES OF CONDUCT FOR ITS MEETINGS AND I'VE DISTRIBUTED FOR THOSE MEMBERS PRESENT, UM, COPY OF THOSE RULES. I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION, UM, THAT IT, IN THOSE RULES, YOU'VE AGREED TO CONDUCT MEETINGS EFFECTIVELY, EFFICIENTLY, AND MAINTAIN, UH, FAIR AND [00:05:01] RESPECTFUL PROCESSES WITH CIVILITY AND INTEGRITY. AND SO SOMETIMES, AS THE CHAIR EARLIER SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFICULT CHALLENGES THAT ARE PRESENTED WITH AT, AT THESE MEETINGS AND WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU AND REINFORCE THE RULES YOU'VE ADOPTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, THE FIRST ITEM FOR BUSINESS IS THE ANNUAL ELECTION OF OFFICERS. UM, SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CALENDAR YEAR UNTIL JANUARY, 2023. UH, COREY, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE JEFF FETZER TO SERVE AS CHAIRMAN IF YOU'LL, UH, HONOR US WITH HIS LEADERSHIP FOR ONE MORE TERM. WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND. COMMISSIONER GIVES A SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR FOR JEFF FETZER AS CHAIR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. I THINK THAT'S UNANIMOUS. AYE. OKAY. I HEARD ONLINE AS WELL. OKAY. UM, CONGRATULATIONS JEFF. UM, NOW WE WILL ACCEPT NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO CONTINUE AS VICE CHAIR. COMMISSIONER SECOND, I SECOND. OKAY. WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR SCOTT CARPENTER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS. UM, AGAIN, ON THE SCREEN WE HAVE OUR CASE LIST FOR TODAY. THERE'S A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR POSTPONEMENTS. UM, ITEM SIX ONE, UH, 12 SOLEDAD ITEM 19, 3 34 WEST ELSMERE PLACE, ITEM 24 5 24 DIVINE. AND ITEM 26 3 26 EAST ROSEWOOD HAVE BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, CHECK FEATURE AGENDAS FOR, UM, WHEN THOSE ITEMS WILL BE POSTED. UM, AT THIS TIME, OH, [Approval of Minutes] EXCUSE ME. BEFORE WE GET THERE, WE DO HAVE APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 16TH, 2022. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES AS SUBMITTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT SECOND. I SECOND THAT. WE DO HAVE A SECOND. I SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES. DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL FOR THAT? NO, NOT FOR THAT, BUT WE WILL DO ROLL CALL MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO AT THIS TIME WE HAVE, [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, AND A FEW PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, THE FIRST IS ACTUALLY, YEAH, LET'S HEAR FROM BURT BARR, WHO'S HERE IN PERSON FOR ITEM TWO, AND THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS TO PLAY FOR THAT ITEM. UH, MY NAME IS BURT BARR. I'M HERE ON, UH, THE SIDEWALKS ON GREENLAWN AVENUE. I LIVE AT ONE 50 GREENLAWN DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. AND I ALSO OWN ANOTHER PROPERTY UP THE STREET AT 2 5 7 GREENLAWN. UM, I WAS THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT FOR OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN WE BECAME A HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, HE, HE'S GIVEN ME A CHANCE, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, I, UH, ON THE 10TH FELL BROKE TWO RIBS, WAS AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS, GOT DISCOMBOBULATED WITH MY PUPPY, TOOK A HARD FALL PNEUMOTHORAX, COUPLE OF BROKEN RIBS, WAS DOING PRETTY GOOD ON THE 21ST. WENT BACK TO TEXAN 'CAUSE I WASN'T DOING TOO WELL ON THAT. SS SPIROMETER AND THOSE PEOPLE DID A WONDERFUL JOB. THEY GOT AGGRESSIVE. I'M IN GOOD HEALTH, ABLE TO GET A THORACIC SURGEON, GO IN, CLEAN OUT ALL THAT FLUID. THEY PULLED OUT TWO AND A HALF LITERS OF FLUID AROUND THAT LUNG AND, UH, GOT ME BACK ON MY FEET. I CAME OUT SATURDAY OR, OR I HAD THE SURGERY SATURDAY AND CAME OUT YESTERDAY. I GOT A RALEIGH'S TEXT, UH, THAT WE NEEDED TO GET HIGH BEHIND IT AND HAVE YOU FOLKS HEAR FROM US, UH, VIA VOICEMAIL YESTERDAY. SO I GOT ON THE HORN AND CALLED SEVERAL PEOPLE UP AND DOWN THE STREET TO TRY TO GET 'EM, RALLY THE TROOPS. UM, WE'RE IN OPPOSITION TO THE SIDEWALKS. I HA I HAVE HERE, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, AND THIS IS OUR SOCIETY LIBRARY. IT'S OUR WAS SUBMITTED. I'VE GOT ONE OF THOSE FOR EACH OF YOU. UH, WHEN WE MADE APPLICATION FOR GREENLAWN ESTATES, IT KIND OF SAYS ANYTHING BETTER THAN WHAT I COULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW ABOUT GREENLAWN, UH, AS FAR AS THE OLD COUNTRY LANE AND WHAT WE'RE PRESI TRYING TO PRESERVE WITHOUT HAVING SIDEWALKS. IT'S IMPORTANT TOO, TO NOTE THAT GREENLAWN RUNS TWO BLOCKS OFF OF I 10. IT RUNS EAST AND WEST. ON THE WEST END IS VANCE JACKSON. IT IS ONLY TRULY ACCESSIBLE FROM VANCE JACKSON FROM I 10. IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU GO [00:10:01] EAST ON GREENLAND, HEADED TOWARDS DOWNTOWN, YOU'LL COME OUT, YOU WILL HIT THE, THE, UH, THERE'S NO WAY TO HOLD THIS DOWN ANYWAY. YOU'LL COME OUT AND YOU'LL HIT THE VERY FAR RIGHT HAND LANE OF THE FEEDER ROAD, RIGHT AS IT IMMEDIATELY CONNECTS TO WEST AVENUE. THERE'S GALLS UNIFORMS ON THE RIGHT. THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS GO STRAIGHT ON ACROSS OR MAKE A RIGHT ON, ON, UH, WEST AVENUE. YOU COULD NOT GO LEFT FROM THAT FAR RIGHT LANE TURN, FAR RIGHT LANE. UH, LIKEWISE, YOU CANNOT, UH, ACCESS GREENLAWN FROM WEST AVENUE. ONLY WAY TO ACCESS GREENLAWN FROM THAT EAST END OF OUR STREET IS FROM THE FEEDER ROAD HEADING EAST ALONG I 10 AND THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON HOOK THAT COMES BACK ON OUR STREET. SO VERY LOW TRAFFIC. UH, IN FACT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE BUSINESS ON GREEN LAWN, YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT EXISTS. UM, IT, IT, THE INITIALLY WHEN PLATTED IT, THE LOTS ARE FOUR TIMES LARGER THAN IT'S KIND OF A BIG GREEN BELT AREA BACK IN THERE. WE'VE GOT GRAY FOX, ALL KIND OF STUFF, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PRESERVE THE, THE OLD WORK WORLD CHARACTER. IT'S STILL KIND OF LIKE A COUNTRY LANE, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. OKAY. UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE HAD THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF YES VOTES OF ANY, UH, AND THAT'S VERIFIABLE THROUGH O H P WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION WITH 76%. I CAN JUST TELL YOU THIS, HAD I NOT BEEN IN A HOSPITAL, I'D HAVE YOU A SLEW OF SIGNATURES. THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME. ARE Y'ALL THE FOLKS THAT, THAT APPROVE ROOF CHANGES AND SO FORTH TOO? I HAVE A PHOTO I WANT TO GIVE TO Y'ALL BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY UNRELATED OFF SUBJECT, BUT Y'ALL HELPED ME ON A ROOF ON MARY LOUISE. WE WENT FROM AN NOSE SHAKE SHINGLE TO A BORAL STEEL METAL ROOF, AND I THOUGHT IT'D BE COOL FOR Y'ALL TO SEE THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABOR AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IT'S A NEAT ROOF. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UM, EDWARD, CAN YOU START ON THE VOICE NAP TIME CASE? UH, YES. MY NAME IS JOE GARCIA. I LIVE ON TWO 60 GREEN LAWN. I'M OPPOSED ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS. I THOUGHT WE HAD THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT ALREADY THAT WE DIDN'T WANT SIDEWALKS OUT THERE. THE AGENDA NUMBER IS IS 2 0 2 2 0 9 0. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING, UH, SIDEWALKS BACK ON GREENLAWN STREET. WE DON'T WANT NO SIDEWALKS, SIR. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE WASTE A LOT OF TIME ON THAT, UH, PRECIOUS TIME LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE WHEN WE DRESSED AT A PROBLEM. CAN YOU, UH, SEE OR IF YOU NEED TO GIMME A CALL, MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN EIGHT THREE FOUR THIRTY NINE FORTY SIX. MY NAME IS JOSE GARCIA. I LIVE AT 1 3 2 GREENLAWN DRIVE. UH, THIS IS FOR ITEM 2 0 2 2 DASH NINE. UH, I JUST WANTED TO LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT I AM IN OPPOSITION OF ADDING SIDEWALKS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I WAS TOTALLY FOR THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. AND THAT IS ALL. UH, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS, OR GARCIA AND I RESIDE AT 2 0 8 GREEN LAWN DRIVE. THE AGENDA ITEM THAT I AM CALLING ABOUT IS 2022 DASH NINE ZERO, WHICH IS THE GREEN LAWN ESTATES SIDEWALK. WE HAVE RESIDED ON GREEN LAWN DRIVE FOR ALMOST OVER 40 YEARS. MOST OF THE RESIDENCES ON GREEN LAWN DRIVE HAVE LONG BEEN OPPOSED TO SIDEWALKS ON GREEN LAWN DRIVE. AS SUCH, GREENLAWN ESTATES WENT HISTORICAL TO PRESERVE THE AESTHETICS OF OUR AREA. WE BELIEVE THAT OUR AREA IS UNIQUE IN JUST THE WAY IT STANDS. WE APPRECIATE THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM. HAD A SURVEY BEEN TAKEN OF THE RESIDENCES, YOU WOULD HAVE FOUND THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENCES DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS ON OUR STREET. UH, AND WE WERE GIVEN SUCH LITTLE TIME THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO ORGANIZE. SO WE WOULD, LIKE I SAID, WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, UH, THE EFFORTS TO PUT SIDEWALKS, BUT WE WILL SURELY, UH, TRADE SIDEWALKS FOR HISTORICAL SIGNS THAT, THAT WE HAVE WANTED FOR A LONG TIME. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. AND IF YOU NEED TO GET BACK TO ME, MY NUMBER IS 2 1 0 6. HELLO. UM, THIS IS FOR, UH, YASMINE GARCIA. I'M AT 1 3 2 GREEN LAWN DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 1. MY AGENDA NUMBER IS 2 0 2 2 DASH [00:15:01] NINE ZERO. I'M FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I OPPOSE, UM, TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS. OPPOSE ON THE SIDEWALK INSTALLATION. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS DAVE HERNANDEZ, 9 22 VANCE JACKSON 7 8 2 0 1. UM, I AM TALKING ABOUT THE AGENDA NUMBER 20 22 0 9 0. AND I DON'T THINK, UH, PUTTING SIDEWALKS ON GREEN LINE IS GONNA BE A GOOD IDEA. NUMBER ONE, IT'S GONNA ENCROACH ON EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY AND, UH, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA MAKE THE, THE STREET MORE NARROW AND, AND IT'S ALREADY NARROW ENOUGH. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS DEBORAH MYERS. I LIVE AT 2 0 3 GREENLAWN, AND I'M CALLING, UH, WITH REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 9 0. UM, I AM OPPOSED TO SIDEWALKS ON GREENLAWN DRIVE. THANK YOU. YES, THIS IS BEN PERCEL AT 1 5 6 GREENLAWN DRIVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1968 AND I OPPOSE HAVING A SIDEWALK PUT ON THIS STREET. MY PHONE NUMBER IS ZERO ONE A SIDEWALK ON OUR STREET. I OPPOSE IT. AGENDA NUMBER IS 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 9 0. THAT NUMBER AGAIN, IS 2 0 2 2 DASH NINE ZERO. HI, UH, MY NAME IS ANGELICA SANCHEZ AND MY HUSBAND IS FELIPE SANCHEZ, AND WE ARE LOCATED IN THE TWO 90 GREENLAND DRIVE. THE AGENDA NI AGENDA ITEM I'M CALLING ABOUT IS THE 2022 SLASH ZERO 90 AND WE ARE CALLING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK THAT THEY WANT THAT WAS REQUESTED TO INSTALL. AND WE NOT AGREE. WE LIKE THE STREET THE WAY IT IS AND WE, WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO STAY THE STREET LIKE THE WAY IT IS, NO SIDEWALKS AND JUST CONSERVE THE STREET JUST LIKE THAT. SO MY HUSBAND AND I WERE NOT AGREE. WE ARE THE OWNERS OF THE TWO 90 GREEN, UM, TWO 90 GREENLAW DRIVE. AND, UM, THAT'S ALL WE USE. WANT TO SAY THE, WE NOT AGREE TO THE CHANGE OF THE STREET. WE DON'T WANT THE SIDEWALKS AND, UM, WE OPPOSE TO DEATH. SO IF IT'S ANY QUESTIONS OR REGARDS OR ANYTHING, YOU CAN CALL ME BACK. MY NUMBER IS TWO ONE, UH, THE STREET IS ALREADY STORED AND EVERYTHING, AND WE LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS AND WE DON'T WANT SIDEWALKS AGAIN. THE AGENDA ITEM IS 2022 SLASH ZERO 90. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. HELLO, THIS IS GREGORY TORRES. I LIVE AT 1 4 5 GREEN LAWN DRIVE. THE AGENDA ITEM IS 2 0 2 2 0 9 0. I, UH, WAS INFORMED THAT THEY'RE TAKING A PETITION TO PUT SIDEWALKS AND I'VE BEEN HERE, UM, 55 YEARS AND THIS IS A LIKE, HISTORICAL NATURAL AREA AND I THINK WE DON'T NEED SIDEWALKS. THERE'S HARDLY ANY CARS. THERE'S SPEED BUMPS HERE. I WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET, WHICH IS VERY PEACEFUL. IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF TEXT DOLLARS. AND, UM, THAT'S IT. GREGORY TORRES 1 4 5 GREENLAW 2 1 0. THAT CONCLUDES THE, UH, SORRY. THAT CONCLUDES THE VOICEMAILS FOR GREENLAWN. UM, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR OTHER VOICEMAILS. UP NEXT IS VOICEMAIL FOR 5 0 1 CLUB. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO AND I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF OUR PRESIDENT, DREA GARZA AND THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I'M CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. OUR ADDRESS IS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 0 9. [00:20:02] ADDRESS IS 5 0 1 CLUB DRIVE. UM, WE APPRECIATE APPLICANTS WHO SEEK TO IMPROVE THEIR HOME AND MAKE MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. WE OFFER THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. 5 0 1 CLUB DRIVE IS AN NATHANIEL STRAUSS NAFA HOME, WHICH SITS IN A SERIES OF NAFA HOMES ON CLUB DRIVE. THE PROPOSAL AS SUBMITTED, IS HEAVY ON THE NUMBER OF STATIONARY DOORS, BUT THE STATIONARY DOOR PANEL CHOICES ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER. WE AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT THAT GROUPING THE DOORS AND MULLING THEM TOGETHER, AS MENTIONED IN HIS CONCERNS, WOULD LOOK MORE APPROPRIATE AND IS THE RIGHT DIRECTION. GIVEN THE DIMENSIONS OF THE NEW STATIONARY DOORS TO BE INSTALLED. A TOTAL OF 101 INCHES IN WIDTH AND APPROXIMATE OPENING DIMENSIONS THAT ARE EXISTING OF 118 INCHES. THE DOORS SHOULD BE ORIENTED SO THAT THE BOTTOM RAIL IS TALL TO MORE CLOSELY MATCH THE EXISTING DOORS. TALL BOTTOM RAIL CONDITION, AND RETAINING SOME STONE STONE AT THE SILL AS NEEDED FOR HORIZONTAL MUTTON ALIGNMENT THAT THE APPLICANT IS STRIVING TO ACHIEVE. WE ALSO REQUEST THAT THE SALVAGE STONE SHOULD REMAIN TOGETHER ON THE PROPERTY AND IDENTIFIED AS SUCH. IF THERE IS A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP, IT CAN BE CONVEYED. THAT IS THAT IT IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOME AND IT SHOULD BE RETAINED ON THE PROPERTY, UH, WITH PHOTOS OF THE STONE PATTERN. UM, WE THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS AND WE SUPPORT THIS HOMEOWNER WHO HAS PREVIOUSLY SUCCESSFULLY ADDED A DOOR ON THE SAME ELEVATION AND DONE SO WITH, UH, RESPECT TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HOME. THANK YOU. FIVE 15 NOLAN. ACTUALLY NEXT WE HAVE, UM, JANE HENRY HERE FOR ITEM FIVE. YEP. MS. HENRY, IF YOU'LL COME UP TO THE PODIUM, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS JANE HENRY AND I'M THE BOARD. I'M ON THE BOARD OF MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND, UH, WE RECENTLY MET LAST SATURDAY WITH THE, UH, OWNER AND, UM, ARCHITECT OF, UH, THE NIETZCHE, UH, THE NIETZSCHE'S, UM, IN THIS, UH, APPLICATION, THE NEW NICHES RESTAURANT, UM, AT 33 31 ROOSEVELT AVENUE. UM, I WANTED TO COME TODAY JUST TO SEE HOW THINGS GO, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE FROM THE PROPERTY HERE. AND I HAVE A QUESTION. OUR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, IN GENERAL, UM, APPROVES THE, THE NEW PLAN WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH. UM, BUT WE, UH, AND WE WENT OVER QUESTIONS INCLUDING SOMETHING ABOUT A FENCE ON SATURDAY, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING, ANY MENTION OF A FENCE ALONG THE, UM, THE WESTERN BORDER. UM, THESE PAGES ARE NOT NUMBERED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO TELL YOU TO LOOK, BUT IT'S THE WESTERN BORDER AT THE BACK OF THE RESTAURANT. IT'S PARALLEL TO ROOSEVELT AVENUE. UM, UH, IT GOES ALONG AN ALLEY AND ACROSS THE ALLEY ARE ABOUT EIGHT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSES, THE BACKYARDS FACING THE ALLEY. AND ALL ALONG IN OUR TALKS WITH, UH, NIETZSCHE'S, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A FENCE AND WHAT MATERIALS TO USE. UH, FINALLY, LAST SATURDAY, THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO USE, UM, WIRE, UH, RATHER THAN WOOD BECAUSE OF THE EXPENSE NOW. AND, UM, AND THAT IT WOULD BE WIRE WITH, UM, JASMINE VINES, UH, AND ABOUT FOUR FEET. UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THE WIRE IS OKAY WITH VINES, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA NEED TO BE FIVE FEET, BUT THERE'S NO MENTION IN HERE OF A FENCE. UM, SO THE NEIGHBORS WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO BE ASSURED THAT THEY WILL HAVE SOME BARRIER BETWEEN THEM AND THE HEADLIGHTS OF PARKING CARS. AND ALSO NOW ALONG THE, UM, FOR THE NOISE, THE, UM, PEOPLE IN [00:25:01] THE DRIVE-THROUGH THAT WILL BE ENTERING FROM BONNER AND GO ALONG THAT WESTERN BORDER. SO THE, THERE ARE NOISE AND LIGHT CONCERNS AND I, I ALSO RECOMMENDED TO NIETZCHE, UH, OWNER THAT HE MAKE IT FIVE FEET TO FURTHER PROTECT HIS PROPERTY AGAINST, UM, UH, VANDALS, UH, VAGRANTS WHO HANG OUT ON THE ALLEY AND MIGHT BE, MIGHT WANT TO JUMP OVER THE FENCE TO GET IN OR GET OUT OF THE PLACE. UM, SO I, IN THESE PLANTS I ONLY SEE, UM, UH, VERY DETAILED PLANS FOR THE, UM, SHRUBBERY LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION ALONG THAT BACK FENCE. UM, SO, UH, IS ANYONE FROM, FROM NIETZSCHE'S LISTENING IN THAT THAT IS THE TWO MINUTES AND YES, THE APPLICANT IS, UM, AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY IF THIS ITEM IS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. THANKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT, A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER 8 5 15 NOLAN. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DIG WHITTY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WHITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE LOCATED AT FIVE 15 NOLAN. WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O H P STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS EARLY AS JANUARY 10TH, WE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERN THAT THE ROOF FRAMING EXTENDED HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL ROOF LINE, WHICH WAS SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT AS SOMETHING NOT TO DO IN THE STIPULATIONS FOR THE MAY, 2020 CASE. WE INCLUDED PICTURES OF THE FRAME, PICTURES OF THE FRAMING AND ASKED O H P TO CONTACT THE APPLICANT BEFORE ANY MORE IMPROPER WORK WAS DONE TO THE ROOF. OUR CONCERNS WAS IF A WORK STOP ORDER WASN'T ISSUED, THE APPLICANT WOULD CLAIM THAT HE COULDN'T ABIDE BY THE ORIGINAL STIPULATIONS BECAUSE IT WOULD COST HIM MORE MONEY TO UNDO THE INAPPROPRIATE WORK THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE TO THE HOUSE. THEY ALSO DIDN'T MEET THE SETBACK BETWEEN NEW AND OLD WALL PLANES OR INCLUDE A VERTICAL TRIM PIECE BETWEEN FORMS. THERE WAS PLENTY OF TIME TO STOP THE ORIGINAL PROJECT AND REDIRECT THE APPLICANT TO CHANGE THE FRAMING TO MEET THE MAY, 2020 STIPULATIONS. THOUGH O H P PLANNER ORIGINALLY APPROVED THE WRONG DESIGN, THE APPLICANT ALSO OWNS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MEETING O H P GUIDELINES AND STIPULATIONS. WILLFUL IGNORANCE CANNOT BE ACCEPTED FOR NOT DOING THIS. IF YOU ALLOW THIS APPLICANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE ADDITION AS IT IS NOW, YOU'LL HAVE SET YET ANOTHER PRECEDENT WHICH WILL TELL ALL DEVELOPERS THEY CAN IGNORE O H P GUIDELINES AND STIPULATIONS TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE ROOF AND ADDITION IN ITS PRESENT FORM, THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO EVER TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE O H P TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM. PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED P D F THAT INCLUDES THE BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATION WITH O H P FROM DECEMBER TO FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR WITH THE IMPROPER WORK BEING DONE TO THIS HOUSE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT'S ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS AND CONSENT. UM, WE ALSO HAVE A CUSER FROM CHAIRMAN ZER FOR ITEM NINE. UM, AFTER HEARING, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, IT IS CORRECT. I'D LIKE TO PULL THE ROOSEVELT, UH, ZERO FIVE AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE, UH, TO PULL ITEM 2, 8, 9, AND 11 AND I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. WAIT, I'M RECUSING FROM THE, THIS VOTE, SO LET STEP OUT. OKAY. WELL, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT YOU, I I PULLED NINE. YEAH, I PULLED NINE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU CAN VOTE ON, ON THE REST. UM, AND I, I MOVE FOR A APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS 1 3 4 7 10 12 THROUGH FOUR 14. AND THAT FOR ITEM FOUR, THAT THE MONCHO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S, UH, SUGGESTIONS BE INCORPORATED INTO STAFF'S, UH, STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND NOTE THAT. ITEM SIX IS POSTPONED. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH IS ABSENT. SAVINA AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. ABSENT? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROVE IS ABSENT. ANTE? YES, THAT SIR. AYE FU IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 10 12 WEST MULBERRY [00:30:01] TWO 14 LOTUS 5 0 1 CLUB, 2 31 SOUTH ALAMO, 1224 VIRGINIA ONE 14 EAST ELSMERE 5 25 AND 5 27 EAST ATCH AND SOUTH ALAMO BETWEEN EAST MARKET AND CAESAR EAST CHAVE. AS YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU NO LONGER NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING, EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. OKAY. FOR ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE 100, 200 BLOCKS OF GREENLINE, UM, WE HAVE LOUIS AURAURA WITH THE CITY'S PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. UM, LOUIS, I SENT YOU A UNMUTE REQUEST. MIGHT NEED TO DO IT ON YOUR END. LOUIS, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOU MIGHT NEED TO DIAL STAR SIX ON YOUR END TO UNMUTE. AH, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN. HOW YOU DOING SIR? LUIS, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? YES. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. JUST A, A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BECAUSE THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A PRETTY ORGANIZED, UH, EFFORT, UH, BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO NOT HAVE THE SIDEWALKS PUT IN. SO, MR. KRA, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, WHAT WERE THE REASONS FOR THE SIDEWALKS, UH, PROPOSED INSTALLATION? IS THIS PART OF, UH, SOME LARGER PLAN FOR THIS AREA? IS THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE TYPICALLY NEIGHBORHOODS REQUEST SIDEWALKS AS KIND OF PART OF A SENSE OF EQUITY AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT HERE I UNDERSTAND THAT GREENLAND'S A VERY UNUSUAL KIND OF RURAL, UH, POCKET WITHIN, UH, THE, THE URBAN GROWTH AROUND IT. AND SO I COULD SEE WHY THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD WANNA KEEP THAT CHARACTER. CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE, THE REASONS AND ALSO TO THE PROCESS BY WHICH, UM, YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS ENGAGED THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THANK YOU. SO WE SELECTED THIS, UH, STREET BECAUSE OF, OF THE, THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO WE TYPICALLY SELECT AREAS WHERE IT'S HIGHLY POPULATED. SO IF YOU SEE LIKE, UH, A UNITED, UH, POSTAL, UH, POST, UH, STATE, UH, POSTAL SERVICES OR APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR STORES, UH, NEARBY, THAT BECOMES A, A HIGHER, UM, UH, SELECT SELECTED FACTOR OF, OF A PROJECT. UM, THIS PROJECT, UH, WAS SELECTED PART OF THAT REASON. ANOTHER REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WE, WE CHOOSE THESE PROJECTS, UH, TO GAP FAIL. SO WE SEE, UH, OTHER SIDEWALKS AND FOR EXAMPLE, VAN JACKSON AND ANOTHER SIDEWALK ON, ON THE HIGHWAY OF, OF, UH, I 10. WE, UH, WE CHOOSE THOSE PROJECTS TO FILL IN TO TO CREATE CONNECTIVITY. AND CAN YOU SPEAK BRIEFLY TO, UM, WHAT DIALOGUE YOU'VE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS SO FAR? NONE. WE JUST, WE JUST STARTED THE PROJECT. I, I DESIGNED THE PROJECT, UH, THE WAY IT WAS GOING TO GO. UM, WE HAVE NOT GONE OUT YET. WE HAVE NOT, UH, UM, STARTED, UM, I WAS GONNA REACH OUT TO A COUNCIL, UM, THE COUNCILMAN FOR THIS DISTRICT TO SEE. MAYBE WE CAN DO A CANVAS TO SEE IF THE, IF THEY, IF, 'CAUSE I, I DID HEAR, UH, ONCE I SUBMITTED TO O H P THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME SOMEWHAT OF A, UM, OPPOSITION TO IT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS, IF THAT WAS THE REASON WHY, UH, THE PROJECT WAS MOVED LAST YEAR. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO, I WAS GONNA REACH OUT TO DISTRICT ONE TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN DO A QUICK CANVAS OF THE AREA, UH, BEING THAT WE HAVE A NEW, UH, UM, DISTRICT, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, ONE, UM, UH, FOR THIS YEAR, UM, I WAS GONNA REACH OUT TO THEM TO SEE MAYBE THEY CAN DO A QUICK CANVAS OF THE AREA TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UM, UH, FAVOR OR OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU TOO. AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT IS THERE A, IS THERE ANY, UM, SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN OR FOOT TRAFFIC OR BUS STOPS THAT ARE ALONG THAT STREET? UH, THAT I KNOW OF? UM, I, SO I DON'T, I DIDN'T LOOK AROUND THE AREA, UH, BUT THERE IS A HIGH VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES THROUGH THE VAN JACKSON AND AS WELL AS I 10. UM, THERE IS PEOPLE THAT WALK THROUGH THE SIDEWALK. NO, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY ASK ONE ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. CODA, UH, WHAT IS THE, THAT'S OKAY. WHAT IS THE, UM, THE SCHEDULE FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PLAN? AND, AND, AND DOES THAT SCHEDULE PERMIT YOU TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THIS CANVASSING, UH, ENGAGEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES, SIR. I WAS GONNA, MY PLAN WAS TO START AROUND, UH, JULY OR AUGUST THE PROJECT. I WANTED TO, UM, FIRST GIVE YOU GUYS SOME TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS. ONCE, ONCE I WOULD'VE GOT THAT, THEN I WOULD'VE REACHED OUT TO, UH, UH, THE COUNCILMAN CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO, UM, A D A CONCERNS IS, IS IS THERE ANY, UM, UH, REASONING BEHIND THE SIDEWALKS AND I GUESS THE CORNER ENTRANCES [00:35:01] AS A RESULT OF, UH, ADDRESSING A D A IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO, I MEAN, EV EVERY SIDEWALK OR PROJECT WE DO IS, UH, WE CONSTRUCTED TO BE A D A COMPLIANT. UM, THERE ISN'T, UH, AS FAR AS A D A CONCERNS, THERE ISN'T A, A, A SIDEWALK PATH TO WALK ON. UM, SO THE, UH, THERE, UM, SO YES, THERE WOULD BE SOME A D A CONCERNS IF THERE'S NO SIDEWALK PATH TO WALK ON. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YES, THANK YOU. UM, MR. CHAIR IS THERE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IF WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, DEFER THIS? WELL, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO ASK, UH, THE APPLICANT TO, UH, PULL THE APPLICATION AND SPEND THE TIME WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL DISTRICT AND THE CITIZENS, AND THEN COME BACK TO US WITH, UH, THEIR RECOMMENDATION OR, UH, DECIDE TO FOREGO THE PROJECT BASED ON, UH, CITIZEN, UH, INPUT. BUT, UM, THAT'D BE ONE OPTION IS TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO PULL THIS UNTIL MORE, UH, RESEARCH AND, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE A, UH, RESIDENTS HAS BEEN DONE. I THINK THAT'S A, A REASONABLE ASK. MR. ACCORA, UM, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THAT? DOES YOUR SCHEDULE ALLOW THAT? OH, YES. SORRY. I'M SORRY. YES, MA'AM. I CAN, I CAN DEFINITELY, UH, UH, POSTPONE THE APPLICATION. UM, UH, I CAN, I CAN TALK TO MY SUPERVISOR AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO FROM THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, SO JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU, YOU DO WITHDRAW AT THIS TIME. YOU'LL SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION AT A LATER DATE? YES, SIR. I CAN ACT AND WITHDRAW. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE GIVEN ONE SECOND. I'M GONNA REQUEST ED GARZA TO JOIN US. ED, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. PERFECT. SO, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. UH, MR. CARLOS, I JUST HAD A, UM, QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. THE APPLICATION ISN'T, UH, FOR THE FENCING RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK LATER AND ADDRESS WITH O H P? UH, THE APPLICATION, UH, IS, YOU'RE CORRECT. UH, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE, UH, LANDSCAPE DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UH, I BELIEVE IS PART OF THE PACKAGE ON SHEET. UH, L 1.2 DO SHOW A FENCE THAT'S OVERALL FIVE FOOT FOUR INCHES IN HEIGHT ALONG THAT WESTERN SIDE. THAT'S THE, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING. AND SO WE, WE HAD ADDRESSED THAT AT, AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING ON SATURDAY. I, I, UH, DID NOT HAVE THAT AT THE, AT MY FINGERTIPS, BUT WE, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CONCERNS, UH, WE'RE DEFINITELY IN THE FOREFRONT OF OUR DESIGN AND WE HOPE WE'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO THEM. I BELIEVE WE HAVE. AND OVERALL, THE COMMENTS WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UH, OF THE PROJECT. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAIR? YES. I HAVE A, UM, QUESTION FOR THE PUBLIC. UM, MS. HENRY DOES THAT, UM, MS. HENRY DOES HIS, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MIC PLEASE? OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID QUESTION. YEAH, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER, YOU'LL HAVE TO SAY IT INTO THE MICROPHONE. YES. OKAY. SO DOES, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, ANSWER, UM, UH, DOES IT SATISFY YOUR QUESTION OR DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR HIM? UM, WELL, ARE, ARE WE GOING TO, CAN WE GET ASSURANCE THAT THE DEFENSE WILL BE BILLED AND ANY ASSURANCE OF THE HEIGHT? UH, MAYBE, UH, STAFF CAN JUMP IN. SO ONE OF OUR, UH, STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL, UM, AND UM, I'LL PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN NOW, IS THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT ADHERE TO AND FOLLOW ALL LANDSCAPING BUFFERING AND PARKING LOT SHADING REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THE U D C AND THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL. UH, GIVEN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THE INSTALLATION OF THE FENCE, UH, TO ACCOMPANY LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING ON THAT EAST, EXCUSE ME, [00:40:01] WEST PROPERTY LINE, UH, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE U D C AND THE MISSION. I'M SORRY, IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. YES, MA'AM. THERE'S A OF A FENCE. THERE'S A YES MA'AM, THERE'S A DETAIL FOR A FENCE. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE IT. NO WORRIES. ON YOUR WESTERN BORDER, THIS IS THE DETAIL FOR THE FENCE NOW AT FIVE FEET AND HEIGHT. AND IF YOU, UH, LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, UM, THAT FENCING IS PROPOSED TO GO ALONG THE ALLEY HERE. UH, SO FENCING IN ADDITION TO SHRUBBERY AND OTHER LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS, AS WELL AS, UM, SHADING TREES WILL BE INSTALLED, UM, ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND WHAT ABOUT THE HEIGHT? THE, I BELIEVE THE, UM, SECTION, OR EXCUSE ME, THAT WILL, THE SECTION IN THE DETAILER DRAWN FOR FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT? FIVE. EXCELLENT. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU EDWARD. EDWARD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE NEW PLANS. JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP. CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU, EDWARD. THANK YOU. UM, MR, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I GUESS MORE, UM, UH, DUPLICATIVE IN REALITY NOW ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, ISN'T THERE A CODE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A SIX FOOT FENCE, PRIVACY FENCE WHEN COMMERCIAL ABUTS RESIDENTIAL? I DON'T, I'M, I CAN'T SAY IF THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A SIX FOOT FENCE, HOWEVER, THERE ARE CODE EXCEPTIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW A TALLER FENCE. UM, SO, AND, AND THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY COULD INSTALL UP TO AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE TO SEPARATE COMMERCIAL FROM RESIDENTIAL, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A SPECIFIC HEIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU EDWARD, MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH THOSE CLARIFICATIONS AND ANSWERS, UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS, AYE. D ABSENT? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. AYE. ABSENT? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTE? YES, THAT SIR. AYE THE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, JUDGE, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, RAUL JIMENEZ, LEMME CHECK ONLINE. HELLO. THANK YOU GUYS, UH, FOR BEING HERE. UM, SO I GUESS THE POINT OF THIS HEARING IS THE PROPOSED PLANS THAT WE WENT AND ABIDED BY AFTER WE GOT THE FINAL REVIEW. I GUESS THERE'S A STIPULATION FROM THE FIRST TIME AROUND, UH, WHEN WE WERE DOING A SECOND STORY ON THE BACKSIDE. UH, AND I BELIEVE MOST OF Y'ALL WERE HERE WHEN WE, WE, UH, WENT TO GO AND REVERT THAT ONE. AND THEN THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE NEW PLANS AFTER THE ADVICE AND GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD. UH, AND FROM THE BEGINNING WE'VE BEEN PRETTY, UH, IN BETWEEN WITH CONVERSATIONS AND, AND UPKEEP AND TRYING TO KEEP EVERYONE ABREAST WITH THE SITUATION TO APPEASE THE BOARD. UH, AND NOW WE'RE AT THIS POINT AND, UH, I GUESS WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT, UH, REVISION. AND JUST TO CLEAR, CLARIFY SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED. UM, SO THE ORIGINAL STIPULATION WAS THAT THE ROOF LINE FOR ADDITION NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING ROOF HEIGHT, WHICH IS THE GRAY AREA YOU SEE IN THE PHOTO. UM, AND THEN EDWARD, IF YOU CAN SKIP TO THE PERMIT SET. SO THIS CAME IN FOR PERMITTING AND ONE OF OUR SPECIALISTS WHO WAS THE CASE MANAGER AT THE TIME, ISSUED THE PERMIT. UM, AND THIS DRAWING DOES NOT MEET THAT STIPULATION. AND SO THE PERMIT WAS RECEIVED, UM, HE MOVED FORWARD WITH WORK WITH THE RECEIVED PERMIT, EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS AN ERROR BY STAFF. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN COOPERATIVE WITH STAFF AS FAR AS RESUBMITTING HIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS REVISION. UM, WE DID NOT ISSUE A STOP RECORDER, BUT WE DID MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, UM, HE RUNS THE RISK OF GETTING A NEGATIVE VOTE AT THIS COMMISSION AND MAY HAVE TO, UH, TAKE A DIFFERENT COURSE OF ACTION AFTER THAT. YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. OH, THANKS. UM, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. AT WHAT POINT DID YOU REALIZE THAT THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT WAS ISSUED BY THE BOARD AND THE C O A AND WHAT YOUR, YOUR TEAM WAS ACTUALLY BUILDING? SURE. SO THAT WOULD'VE PROBABLY BEEN ABOUT THREE, FOUR WEEKS AGO. UH, AND THAT WAS JUST WHEN THE, THE FRAME WAS UP, RIGHT? SO WE WERE ALREADY COMPLETE WITH THE FRAME SIDE. UH, SO YEAH, SO THERE WAS A FIRST SET OF PLANS, I BELIEVE IN THE BEGINNING OF 2019, OR I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, UH, BUT WE SUBMITTED AND WE WERE GONNA DO AN ADDITION TO THE BACK HALF OF THE HOUSE, WHICH WOULD'VE HAD A BALCONY, RIGHT? UH, AT THAT POINT WE CHANGED DIRECTION [00:45:01] BECAUSE, UM, SOME MEMBERS OR SOME, UH, PEOPLE, UH, CONTESTED THAT. SO WE WENT THROUGH THE REVISION, WE WENT THROUGH ASSISTANCE TO TRY TO GET GUIDELINES ON HOW TO GO ABOUT IT. SO THEN WE EXTENDED THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE, AND IN DOING SO, THAT'S WHERE THE PEAK GOT A LITTLE ELEVATED. WE WENT AHEAD AND SUBMITTED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER APPROVAL OR PROCESS, AND WE GOT IT APPROVED BASED OFF THE STIPULATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, . SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS ALREADY FRAMED, UH, DECEMBER, UH, WHAT ARE WE IN NOW? UM, I THINK THIS EXISTED FOR QUITE SOME TIME, RIGHT? BUT WHEN WE GOT THE NOTICE ABOUT, IT WAS ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO, I BELIEVE. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE IMAGES. THERE'S AN IMAGE OF, UM, THE HOUSE IN THE PRESENTATION, IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS, AND, UH, UH, THAT IMAGE, I, I GUESS I CAN DO IT EASIER ON MY COMPUTER OVER HERE, BUT IT SHOWS THAT IMAGE AND THEN IT SHOWS THE ORIGINAL ROOF LINE AND LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET BOTH OF THEM ON THE, ON THE SCREEN, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER, IF YOU, UH, JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT PAGE, UM, I COULD, I COULD PROBABLY DO THAT FOR YOU. WHAT PAGE, WHAT, WHAT PAGE THE PHOTOS ARE THAT YOU WANT. I THINK, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PICTURE THERE BECAUSE A REALLY KIND OF GRACEFUL WAY TO ACHIEVE WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE ACHIEVING IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BECAUSE IT, THE EXTENSION OF THE ROOF, WHILE IT'S HIGHER THAN THE FRONT PITCH, IT STILL SEEMS TO BE THE MOST SENSIBLE AND MOST ELEGANT WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. SO I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE ARE KINDA CONCERNS THAT ARE REALLY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, UH, I GUESS THE READING OF THE GUIDELINE, BUT THE AESTHETIC VALUE, THE, THE, THE MELDING OF, UM, OF THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE IS REALLY, REALLY WELL DONE. SO I, I'D BE IN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND I THINK THAT, UH, IN THE LONG RUN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL, WILL, WILL RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS THE SMARTEST WAY FOR THEM TO GO ABOUT DOING THIS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I, I FULLY CONCUR WITH THAT. AND I THINK IN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS IMAGE HERE, YOU SEE THE HOUSE ON THE, ON THE LEFT IS OF SIMILAR RIDGE HEIGHT AND, UH, THE RESULTING, UH, RIDGE EXTENSION IS STILL LOWER THAN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. SO I THINK THIS IS THE CLEANEST, MOST PRACTICAL WAY OF, OF ACCOMPLISHING WHAT, UH, IS NEEDING TO BE, UH, ACCOMPLISHED HERE. AND SO I WOULD SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. UM, EXCUSE ME. UH, NOTWITHSTANDING THE AESTHETIC AND THE DESIGN ASPECT OF IT, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE PROCESS, THE ADMINISTRATION OF THIS. UM, SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS, UH, A DECISION BY THE COMMISSION, A C O A, UM, UH, CAN BE OVERRIDDEN PERHAPS. UM, HOW DO WE KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN? UM, IT, THE PERMIT ISSUANCE WAS NOT INTENTIONAL. IT WAS OVERLOOKED BY THE REVIEWER. UH, IS THIS A FROM BUILDING PERMITS OR WAS THIS FROM OUR OFFICE? IT WAS FROM O HP STAFF. IT'S FROM OUR OFFICE. SO WHAT'S IN PLACE TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN? YEAH, I, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN. UHHUH, I REALLY CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER INSTANCE. THAT EMPLOYEE ALSO DOESN'T WORK HERE ANYMORE. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT THEY LOOKED AT AND WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE. SURE. SURE. UM, BUT YEAH. AND THEN GOING TO THE OTHER ASPECTS, THE WINDOWS ON THE ORIGINAL PART MM-HMM. , WHAT ARE THOSE? SO THEY ARE METAL AND THEY'RE EXTREMELY HARD TO REPAIR. UM, WE WERE GONNA PROPOSE A REPLACEMENT VALUE OF SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THE AREA THAT HAD BEEN USED, POSSIBLY AN ALUMINUM, UH, CASING OF IT WITH THE PICTURE WINDOWS AS WELL, JUST TO MATCH THE FRONT SIDE OF IT. UH, THE REASON BEING IS UNFORTUNATE WHEN IT WAS IN DISARRAY AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD GO IN AND GO OUT AND THEY BROKE A LOT OF THE WINDOWS CLIMBED IN THROUGH THE, THE ACCESS POINTS AND BENT A LOT OF THE GEARS AND EVERYTHING THEY WERE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO IT'S ALMOST, WE'VE HAD THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE LOOK AT AND THEY SAID THAT IT'S JUST TOO FAR GONE ON THAT SIDE. UH, SO WHAT WE WERE, OUR HOPES WERE TO PRESENT AN ACCEPT ACCEPTABLE, UH, REPLACEMENT VALUE FOR THAT. UH, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, THE, UH, MY STIPULA? YES, MA'AM. AND WOULD THAT SAME WINDOW TYPE BE USED ON THE ADDITION? YES, IT WOULD BE COMPLETE. IF, IF WE CAN MAKE IT AMEND, IT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND QUESTION FOR STAFF, WAS THERE AN OFFSET BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE ADDITION THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL C O A? UH, I WILL PULL THOSE DOCUMENTS UP. THESE ARE THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF, [00:50:01] UM, FOR THAT REVIEW FOR A C O A AND THE ONES THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO PERMITTING. UH, SO THE, THE DOCUMENT, THESE ARE THE DOCUMENTS, UH, THAT WERE SUBMITTED. OKAY. SO THAT WAS, UM, NOT OBSERVED ALSO. UM, SO I GUESS ANOTHER PROCEDURAL ADMINISTRATIVE CONCERN IS IF WE DO APPROVE THIS, IT BECOMES ELIGIBLE FOR OUR TAX CREDIT OR THE TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. UM, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WORK DONE ON SITE THAT MATCHES THE APPROVED COAS, UM, ARE REQUIRED TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LOCAL TAX INCENTIVE BECAUSE THIS, UM, HAS VEERED SO FAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE INTENT. IS THERE A WAY THAT THE COMMISSION COULD STIPULATE AN APPROVAL OF THE WORK BUT WITHOUT ALLOWING THE CERTIFICATE OF TAX? UH, IT IS TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. YEAH. AND SO THE APPLICANT AFTER WORK IS COMPLETED WILL COME FORWARD WITH A REQUEST FOR THE TAX VERIFICATION MM-HMM. , AND THAT WILL REQUIRE A VOTE BY THE COMMISSION. UM, SO YOU CAN CONSIDER ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THE CASE. UM, BUT THE CRITERIA UNDER THE U D C FOR, UH, QUALIFYING FOR THE TAX VERIFICATION IS CONFORMANCE WITH APPROVED PERMITS AND COAS AND SO MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, IF THIS SCOPE IS APPROVED AND THIS IS WHAT HE DOES, THEN HE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT. I GUESS JUST THE THOUGHT OF, UM, UM, COAS AND INTENT BEING VIOLATED AND THEN GETTING A TAX SUBSIDIZED CREDIT JUST DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME. I, AND, AND I WELL GO AHEAD. I WILL JUST NOTE FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT THAT, UM, I, WE FULLY BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS WORKING WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT HE WAS DOING HAD BEEN FULLY APPROVED, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAD BEEN ISSUED BASED ON THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE SUBMITTED, AS WELL AS THE PERMIT FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO FROM THE APPLICANT'S STANDPOINT, HE'S ESSENTIALLY RECEIVED TWO DOCUMENTS OR TWO LEVELS OF REVIEW FROM O H P THAT HAVE TOLD HIM THAT HE IS OKAY TO BEGIN WORK ON A CERTAIN SET OF DOCUMENTS. UH, SO I I DO NOT THINK THERE WAS ANY ILL INTENT FROM THE APPLICANT'S STANDPOINT TO IGNORE OR DO WORK THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE APPROVAL FOR. UH, THE APPLICANT'S HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE IN WORKING WITH STAFF. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS AND HAS ADDRESSED AND ANSWERED CONCERNS FROM STAFF AND HAS ALLOWED STAFF, UH, TO MAKE SITE VISITS AND, AND GO ABOUT, UM, AND, AND SEE THE STRUCTURE. UM, AND, AND THAT IS SOMEWHAT ATYPICAL OF CONTRACTORS THAT DO WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL KNOWINGLY. OH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT COUNTERING THAT, THAT ASPECT OF IT. IT'S JUST WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE. THANK YOU. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. UM, IF WE GO TO SHEET 16, THE EXISTING LEFT ELEVATION THERE, WE CAN SEE WHAT THE EXISTING HOUSE IS AND THEN THE ADDITION. UM, IN THE PAST WE HAVE APPROVED PUTTING A VERTICAL BATTEN BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND THE NEW ADDITION SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, THEY CAN SEE WHAT'S ORIGINAL AND WHAT'S THE ADDITION. UH, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO ADDING THAT VERTICAL BATTEN, UH, ON THOSE, UH, LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATIONS? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE A MINIMUM TO 'EM TO SURE DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, EXISTING AND, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION. UH, OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I HAVE A MOTION. YES SIR. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, BASED UPON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH STAFF STIPULATION ONE AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT A VERTICAL BATTEN TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE EXISTING AND NEW ADDITION BE ADDED TO BOTH THE RIGHT AND LEFT SIDE ELEVATIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE ES ABSENT? SINA NAY VELAZQUEZ? AYE. AROLAS ABSENT? MASUKA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTES? YES, BE SIR. AYE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. SO, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE AND I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF. [00:55:03] WAIT WHILE CHAIRMAN FESTER LEAVES THE ROOM. SO COMMISSIONERS, THIS WAS PULLED, UH, FOR THE RECUSAL, BUT DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE CASE? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AS SECOND RULE CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. V ABSENT? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. LES ABSENT. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTE? YES. FETZER'S RECUSED. AND THE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. YOU INDICATE TO, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE'RE READY. THANK YOU. OKAY, AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND START ON ITEM 11 1 12 COLLEGE. LET ME, UH, FIND THE APPLICANT ON. OKAY, MS. WOLF, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE. PERFECT. I BELIEVE, UH, YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES PULLED THIS FOR DISCUSSION. YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE APPROACH, WAS IT MORE TO JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA SOUND RUDE, MOVE THE TREES OR MAKE SPACE OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH? I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA DO SOME WORK ON OTHER PARTS OF THE PATIO TO GIVE YOU THAT SPACE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, BUT HAVE YOU APPROACHED THIS FROM A WAY THAT MAYBE YOU CAN WORK AROUND THE TREES, UH, TO KEEP THE TREES BUT STILL GET YOUR SPACE? AND HOW MUCH SPACE WOULD YOU BE GETTING TABLE SPACE FROM? UH, FROM THE OVERALL, UH, TREE REMOVAL, WE WERE ACTUALLY HOPING TO, UM, MOVE FROM, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE ABOUT 26 TABLES AND MOVE TO ABOUT 44 TABLES, AND THERE'S SOME, UM, BAR SEATING IN THE AREA OF THOSE PALMS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY ONLY ASKING TO REMOVE THREE OF THE PALMS THERE. YOU CAN SEE ON THE, UH, WE'RE LEAVING THE ONE PALM AND THE HUSBANDMAN PLANTER CLOSEST TO THE RIVER. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE, THE DIFFERENCE, UM, AND REALLY THE, THE MORE ORGANIZED NATURE OF THAT DINING PATIO WITH THE 44 SEATS AND WITHOUT THE PALMS. UM, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING TREES? IS THAT YOUR, YOUR CONCERN? WELL, THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT, I MEAN, THOSE PALMS APPEAR IN QUITE A FEW POSTCARDS OVER THE PAST, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS. AND IT, IT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO THE AESTHETIC AND THE OVERALL FIELD OF, OF THE RIVERWALK. SO AGAIN, I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT, HOW DO YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED WITHOUT TAKING THE TREES DOWN? UM, I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU CAN JUST BECAUSE OF THE PLACEMENT, THEY REALLY JUT OUT INTO THE PASS, PASS THROUGH WAY. UM, WHAT WE DID, IF YOU CAN GO TO, UM, THE FIRST PAGE OF THE, THERE YOU GO. UM, WE WENT AND TOOK, WELL ACTUALLY GOOGLE EARTH TOOK PICTURES ALONG CROCKETT STREET AND EVEN IN THE WINTERTIME WHEN THE BALL CYPRUS HAVE LOST A LOT OF LEAVES, YOU REALLY ONLY SEE THE TRUNKS UNTIL YOU GET TO THE NAVARRO STREET BRIDGE AND THEN YOU SEE THE TOPS OF THE PALMS ON THE NEXT PAGE. YOU CAN SEE REALLY THE ONLY THING YOU SEE ARE THE, THE TRUNKS OF THE PALMS, SO YOU DON'T GET A GOOD PICTURE. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING MOSTLY ARE THE, THE SURROUNDING BALD CYPRUS AND THE SURROUNDING TROPICAL FOLIAGE IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL. UM, WE DID FIND OUT THAT THESE TREES WERE PLANTED WHEN, UM, THE RESTAURANT SECTION OF THE HOTEL WAS BUILT. SO THEY'RE NOT HISTORIC. THEY WERE, THEY WERE PLANTED IN 78, 79. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE CONDITION OF THE, THE, UH, PALM TREES UP AGAINST THE, UH, EXISTING BUILDING? THERE'S ONE THAT SEEMS TO BE LEANING OUT TOWARD THE RIVER A LITTLE BIT. I THINK IT'S, IT'S SEARCHING FOR SOME SUNLIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT PALMS DO IN THAT SITUATION. UM, THEY KIND OF REACH A, A SPOT WHERE THEY GET THE SUNLIGHT AND THEN THEY HEAD STRAIGHT BACK UP AGAIN. UM, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT THE HOTEL HAS MENTIONED WITH RODENTS AND SQUIRRELS, UM, IN THE, IN THE PALMS GETTING ONTO THE PATIOS. AND OF COURSE WITH A DINING AREA BELOW, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY A HYGIENIC SITUATION. SO IT HAS, IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM. THANK YOU. [01:00:03] I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. YES, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UM, THANK YOU. UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN, UM, TRYING TO COMPARE THE TWO PLANS WITHOUT THE OVERLAP OF THE DEMO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THOSE SEATING THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING NOW WILL BE CHAIR, FREESTANDING CHAIR TABLE WITH BENCH SEATING. IS THAT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT? UM, THIS IS NOT MY DESIGN , SO IF YOU COULD TURN TO THE THIRD PAGE SO I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THERE YOU GO. YES. YES. I THINK MOST OF THOSE TABLES ARE TWO TOPS AND THEN THERE'S BAR SEATING. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE FOUR, THE FOUR TOTAL PALM TREES THAT ARE THERE, THE ONE ON THE FAR LEFT REMAINS, UM, THE ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT, UH, SEEMS THAT IT IS LEAST INTRUSIVE TO THAT SETTING THE OR TO THE NEW PLAN. UM, IT IS, UH, IN TERMS OF CIRCULATION AND SEATING, PERHAPS ONE MORE COULD BE SAVED, UM, SO THAT THERE WOULD BE FLAKING PALMS ON THAT LANDING. ON THE RESTAURANT LANDING, I DO SEE THE OTHER TWO, THE MIDDLE TWO PONDS MM-HMM. , UM, BEING REALLY CLOSE TO THE BUILDING, UM, TAKING UP WHAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY THINK OF AS PRIME REAL ESTATE. BUT THE ONE ON THE THIRD, ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT, UM, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AS INTRUSIVE. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER? UM, I DO SEE ALSO, LET ME SAY, UH, THE BULK OF THIS ADDED SEATING, UH, A LOT OF IT APPEARS DUE TO THE CLOSURE OF THE STAIRCASE TO THE RIGHT MM-HMM. . SO, SO YOU'RE STILL GETTING THAT, YOU'RE STILL GETTING ALL OF THOSE AND MAYBE, UM, REDUCE THE NEW SEATING BY PERHAPS TWO TO FOUR MAX BY MAINTAINING THE RIGHT SIDE RIGHTMOST PALM? YES. UM, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. AND HONESTLY, I THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THAT WE WOULD DESTROY A LOT OF THE ROOTS OF THOSE PALMS. YOU KNOW, PALMS ARE REALLY MORE AKIN TO GRASSES THAN TREES. UM, AND THEY HAVE A VERY FIBROUS, DENSE ROOT SYSTEM. UM, I WOULD HATE TO, UH, TO IT. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE IN A PLANTING BED, AND SO THOSE ROOTS HAVE PLENTY OF SOIL AND WATER AND SPACE TO GROW. UM, IF WE TOOK OUT THE TWO PALMS TO THE LEFT AND LEFT THE ONE TO THE RIGHT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CLOSED IN ON THAT PALM WITH PAVING, UM, I'M AFRAID IT MIGHT BECOME UNSTABLE. ARE THEY IN, ARE THOSE THREE PALMS IN INDIVIDUAL PLANTING BEDS? NO, THEY'RE IN ONE PLANTING BED. ONE LARGE PLANT. IT'S A SINGLE, YES. AND THOSE, THOSE ROOTS, YOU KNOW, TEND TO GROW TOGETHER AND, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE SMALL SPACE. YEAH, I, SO WE'D BE CUTTING ROOTS. I WILL AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THOSE PALMS IN FRONT OF THE LA MANSION IN THAT PORTION OF IT, OF THE RESTAURANT OR THE HOTEL, SORRY. UM, THEY ARE QUITE ICONIC AND VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF THAT, UM, SETTING. UM, I JUST WISH THERE WAS A WAY TO SAVE AT LEAST ONE MORE OF THOSE THAT MADE DESIGN SENSE ALSO. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THE CHAIRMAN AND I DID, UH, CONDUCT A, A SITE VISIT, UH, THROUGH THE D R C AND, AND GOT TO OBSERVE, UM, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS JUST DESCRIBED ABOUT THE, THOSE THREE PALMS BEING SORT OF PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH INTERLACED IN THEIR, IN THEIR PLANTING BED AND, AND, UM, THAT ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT, UH, WHILE I AGREE FROM A A, A PLANTING STANDPOINT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THAT AS A, SOMETHING THAT SORT OF HELPS TO GIVE SOME SYNCOPATION TO THOSE BANKS. UH, BANQUETTE CITY SEATING AND RETAIN ANOTHER, UH, TREE IS, IS ADMIRABLE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOKED AT IT IN, IN THE FIELD, THAT IS THE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY CLOSEST TO SOME OF THE PROJECTING BALCONIES THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING. AND, UM, ONE, ONE CONSOLATION IS THAT THE, THAT FOURTH PALM, THE ONE THAT IS BEING RETAINED, UH, THAT'S STANDING OUT FROM THE BUILDING AND GETTING, YOU KNOW, PLENTY OF SUNLIGHT BECAUSE IT'S IN THE, IN THE WATER CHANNEL, IS ALSO THE ONE THAT HELPS TO KIND OF GIVE SOME SCREENING AND, AND IS IS THE ONE THAT'S SORT OF MOST PREVALENT WHEN YOU SEE IT FROM THE NAVARRO STREET BRIDGE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THIS AREA'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY ATIVE OF THE TREES AND IT WILL RETAIN THAT ONE VERY NICE PALM TREE THAT'S IN VERY GOOD SHAPE AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE CYPRUS OBVIOUSLY. SO I, I WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M GENERALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING TREES REMOVED, BUT SOMETIMES, UH, IT, IT, THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE I THINK IT'S, IT'S NECESSARY. [01:05:01] MR. CHAIR? YES, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. UM, IT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SAID THERE'S A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, RIGHT? UM, THAT YOU HAVE THESE PALM TREES AND, AND YOU WANT TO EXPAND YOUR DINING AREA, BUT THE TREES ARE IN THE WAY, RIGHT? AND, UM, SO THE, THE DECISION, YOU KNOW, IS EITHER WELL CUT THE TREES DOWN OR NO, LET'S NOT PUT A DINING ROOM THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE TREES THERE, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, LAONA IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE RIVERWALK, VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO SAN ANTONIO, AND I'M SURE HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE BEING ON A RIVER, BUT IT, IT, IT, IT DOES REACH JUST, JUST A SLIGHT LEVEL OF, UM, QUESTION QUESTIONABLE. WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON A RIVER THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO NATURE, HAS THESE OLD CYPRESSES AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU, YOU REALLY DO NEED TO CUT, CUT DOWN IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THE SQUIRRELS AND THE BIRDS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. SO WHERE DO YOU STOP? RIGHT? UM, THEY, THEY JUST SEEM TO BE SO, SO MUCH A CHARACTERISTIC OF THAT ENVIRONMENT AND IT, AND I THINK IT DOES PUT A LITTLE PRESSURE ON THE, ON THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO, UM, DO BUSINESS TO REALLY CONTEMPLATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN DO BUSINESS IN THE CONTEXT OF AN, OF A, OF A QUASI NATURAL RIVER, RIGHT? OR IF PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, ENABLING THE ENVIRONMENT TO BE THE PRECIOUS THING, NOT THE DINING, BUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND THAT THAT'S WHAT MAKES DINING AND THE ENVIRONMENT SPECIAL. SO IT'S, IT'S A KIND OF CHICKEN OR THE EGG THING FOR ME. UM, BUT I, I DO FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF, UH, AT THIS POINT, THE REALLY THE ONLY SURVIVING PALM TREES IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PE PEOPLE EXPERIENCE THE RIVER WALK, LOOKING UP, LOOKING DOWN, LOOKING SIDE SIDEWAYS, EXPERIENCE ALL ELEMENTS OF IT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE RIVER IS THESE DAYS, BUT WE ALL REMEMBER THE LA MANION AREA AS BEING ONE OF THE MOST ROMANTIC, UH, PLACES ON THE RIVER. AND THE PALM TREES PLAY A PART OF IT. SO I I, I, I HAVE A HARD TIME DECIDING WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ATTRIBUTE OF THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING ON THE RIVERWALK AND, AND CUTTING. NO, NO. I MEAN, TAKING NOTHING AWAY FROM THE INCREDIBLE, UM, UH, HOSPITALITY THAT LA MANION OFFERS, UH, OUR CITY. BUT, UH, THE TREES OFFER SOME HOSPITALITY AS WELL, I THINK. THANKS, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, MS. WOLFES IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE LAST WEEK, UM, I ASKED ABOUT THE, ACTUALLY, OF THE THREE THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE TAKEN OUT, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY THE ONE FURTHEST AWAY FROM THE BUILDING AND IS SORT OF LEANING OUT, TRYING TO GET SUNLIGHT. RIGHT. UH, DO YOU THINK IF WE KEPT THAT ONE AND, UH, SORT OF REWORK THE SEATING, YOU'D LOSE TWO, TWO TO FOUR SEATS THAT WE WOULD STILL BE IMPACTING THE ROOT SYSTEM OF THAT ONE TREE WITH THE PROPOSED, UH, HARDSCAPE DEVELOPMENT? YOU KNOW, I WOULD REALLY NEED TO TALK TO AN ARBORIST AND HAVE HIM ASSESS THAT I, UM, THAT CONCERNS ME. THE STABILITY CONCERNS ME, OR THE POTENTIAL INSTABILITY CONCERNS ME. RIGHT. OKAY. , WELL, ONE OPTION FORWARD IS FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION AND WE SEE WHERE WE FALL. UH, ONE POSSIBLE MOTION MIGHT BE TO, UH, FOR NOW, KEEP THE ONE ON THE LEFT, GET YOUR ARBORIST REPORT IF, UH, AND SUBMIT THAT TO THE CITY AND THE CITY'S ARBORIST. AND, UH, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT WORK IN THIS AREA WOULD, WOULD GREATLY UNDERMINE THE STABILITY OF THAT TREE, THAT IT MIGHT ALSO COME OUT. BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS MIGHT THINK ON THIS. YES. UH, CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT'S A, A PRETTY REASONABLE REQUEST. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON WHAT WE SAW OUT IN THE FIELD, THAT THAT IS THE, PERHAPS THE MOST VIABLE OF THOSE THREE TREES ARE THAT CLOSE TO, TO THE BUILDING. SO I, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION THAT THE, UM, UH, THE, UH, LET'S SEE, THE, THE LEFTMOST TREE IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE GROUPING OF PALM TREES [01:10:01] BE RETAINED AND EVALUATED BY A, AN ARBORIST, UH, FOR THE VIABILITY OF RETAINING IT, UH, BY THE, UM, UH, UH, BY THE, THE, THE DESIGN TEAM. AND I GUESS THAT'S IT. THAT'S RIGHT. NOT A VERY SKILLFULLY CRAFTED MOTION THERE, BUT, OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GIBBS? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. VICIOUS ABSENT SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY. OLA ABSENT MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER AYE. GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTE NA BE SIR. AYE. THE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONTO AGENDA ITEM [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] NUMBER 15, I BELIEVE. YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 0 55, 10 12, AND 10 12 AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT EIGHT TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOTS AT 10 12 AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNA WHITTY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH V. THE OVERALL PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED MASSING NUMBER OF STRUCTURES, DRIVEWAY AND MATERIALS TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING PRIOR TO THE APPLICANT RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE SITE PLAN BE DEVELOPED TO BETTER DOCUMENT CONFORMANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES REGARDING SETBACKS. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT DECREASED MASSING ON THE SITE IS NOTED IN FINDING F A REDUCTION IN BUILDING FOOTPRINT, ELIMINATION OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS, OR LOWERING OF HEIGHT TO A SINGLE STORY FOR SOME STRUCTURES WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. THREE OF THE TRADITIONAL MATERIALS BE USED IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED TERRACOTTA, BRICK AND STUCCO IS NOTED IN FINDING J THAT THE FACADE MATERIALS BE CONSISTENT ON EACH FACADE WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE DISTRICT. SIDING SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF. STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS IS NOTED IN FINDING J FOR THE PROPOSED STANDING SEAM. METAL ROOF SHOULD FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT. A CRIMP RIDGE SEAM AT A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP OR STAND IN STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH FOR RIDGE CAP IS PROPOSED. IT MUST BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. FIVE THAT WOULD, OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN FINDING L AND IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS, AN ALUMINUM WINDOW MAY BE APPROPRIATE, PROVIDED THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. SIX, THAT, THAT THE RECTANGULAR FIXED WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE BE ELIMINATED FOR TRADITIONALLY SIZED WINDOWS IN A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE IS NOTED IN FINDING M SEVEN THAT BOTH STRUCTURES AT FRONT NORTH CHERRY FEATURE A FRONT WALKWAY TO CONNECT THE FRONT PORCHES TO THE SIDEWALK. AT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOTED IN FINDING R EIGHT THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY BE REDUCING TO MORE THAN 10 FEET IN WIDTH IS NOTED IN FINDING Q NINE THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW. AND APPROVAL IS NOTED IN FINDINGS, SS N U 10, THAT THE PROPOSED PRIVACY FENCING LOCATED BEHIND THE FURTHEST SIDE WINDOW OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND BEHIND THE FRONT FACADES OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES IS NOTED IN FINDING T. AND, UH, ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A STIPULATION IN REGARDS TO ARCHEOLOGY. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPILE WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL LAWS, RULES, AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. THE APPLICANT RICARDO EZ IS HERE ALONG WITH FELIX ZIGA, UM, COMMISSIONERS. THERE ARE, UM, AS I'LL NOTE ON THE SCREEN NOW, THERE ARE, UH, A NUMBER OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT IN YOUR PACKET. UM, THERE IS, UH, ONE LETTER OF OPPOSITION AND 11 LETTERS OF SUPPORT, 10 OF WHICH ARE INCLUDED, UM, IN THE ACTUAL CASE FILE THAT WAS UPLOADED TO THE ONLINE AGENDA. WE ALSO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL, UM, THAT I WILL PLAY NOW. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 15 1 0 1 2 AND 1 0 1 4 NORTH CHERRY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO JOINS WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF IN RECOMMENDING THAT THIS PROJECT NOT RECEIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THE EIGHT TWO TWO-STORY RESIDENCES AND CREATION OF INTERIOR STREET ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS FOUND IN THE DIGNA WITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE BUILDING'S MASSING AND [01:15:01] NUMBER DO NOT CONFORM TO HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. IN ADDITION, THE PRECEDENTS USED TO JUSTIFY THE INTERIOR STREETS ARE NOT COMPARABLE AS THOSE ARE ALLEYS THAT EITHER CONFORMED TO THE GUIDELINES IN WIDTH OR RUN THROUGH THE BLOCK WITHOUT RESULTING IN A DEAD END. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE EZ, AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDI WITTY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 55, LOCATED AT 10 12 AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY. WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE APPROVAL OF THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN BECAUSE THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT AS OUTLINED BY O H P. IT ALSO DOES NOT MEET THE DITY HILL 2009 NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE STORY BUNGALOW HOUSING WITH YARDS LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. DIG, WITTY HILL IS A FULLY FUNCTIONING HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO DOWNTOWN, FILLED WITH SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES COMMISSIONERS. WE REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS PROJECT AS PRESENTED, AND THE DEVELOPERS GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD TO CREATE A PROJECT THAT BETTER CONFORMS TO OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND OUR 2009 NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. FROM DESIGN MASSING NUMBER OF STRUCTURES TO MATERIALS BEING USED AS A REMINDER, DIG, WHIT'S, HISTORIC BOUNDARIES ARE ONLY ONE SQUARE MILE. THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER NON HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THESE TYPE OF NON-CONFORMING MINI COMMUNITIES WOULD FIT BETTER IN. PLEASE HELP US TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ONLY ALLOW DEVELOPMENT THAT FOLLOWS OUR 2009 NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND O H P GUIDELINES. IN ADDITION, THIS CASE WAS NEVER PRESENTED AT ANY OF THE D H N A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. IT WAS NEVER COMMUNICATED TO THE RESIDENTS VIA FACEBOOK OR EMAIL, AND NO ONE HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT. THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON THESE TYPES OF CASES WITHOUT TAKING IT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR A VOTE. AND WE ASK THAT THIS CASE BE CONTINUED. SO THAT CAN BE DONE. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR, UH, VOICEMAILS. UH, ONCE AGAIN, THERE ARE, UH, COMMENTS IN YOUR FOLDERS AS WELL AS IN THE CASE FILE. WOULD THE APPLICANT'S PLEASE COME FORWARD? HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. ES UH, TEN FOUR. FOUR SIX TRAIL ELK. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. UH, BEFORE STARTING THE PRESENTATION, I JUST, UM, WANTED TO GIVE YOU, UH, GUYS A THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR ALMOST A MONTH AND A HALF ON THIS PROJECT, GOING TO THE D R C THREE TIMES, AND, UM, YEAH, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS, ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S DEFINITELY REFINED OUR OUR PRESENTATION TODAY. UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE ARE IN AGREEANCE WITH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, AND 11. UH, THAT LEAVES, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS 1, 2, 3, AND EIGHT, UH, TO DISCUSS TODAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. UM, YEAH, THE PROJECT IS, UH, CALLED CHERRY, UH, CHERRY COURT. UH, IT'S LOCATED AT 10 12 AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY STREET, UH, IN DIGNITY HILL DISTRICT. UM, OUR REQUEST TODAY IS, UH, FOR EIGHT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES, LOCATED ON TWO VACANT LOTS, UH, THE PROJECT. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. UH, THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, UH, ABUTTING BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, UH, BUSINESSES. UM, IT, UH, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE ALSO, UH, SHOWS THE AMENITIES THAT WE THINK WILL MAKE OUR PROJECT, UH, SUCCESSFUL. THE, UH, UH, TWO, UH, BRAND NEW PRO, UH, BRAND NEW PARTS THAT WILL BE COMING UP, UH, THIS YEAR. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE HAYES, UH, UH, THE HAYES BRIDGE. JUST, UH, AN EXHIBIT SHOWING THE, THE TWO PARTS THAT ARE COMING UP IN, UM, DITY HILL. I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT AMENITY FOR OUR PROJECT AND EVERYONE IN, UH, AND D ANNUITY HILL. UM, THE NEXT AREA, IT'S AN AREA OF SHOWING OUR PROPERTY [01:20:01] AGAIN, RIGHT AT THE FRINGES OF THE, UM, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, OF THE DISTRICT. UM, THE, WE PUT A 200, UH, FOOT RADIUS, UH, UM, ON OUR KIND OF SHOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR PROJECT IS IMMEDIATELY, UH, IS IMMEDIATELY ON GETTING RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND ALSO INDUSTRIAL, UM, INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS, LIKE THE ONE TO YOUR, UH, LEFT RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, WE, WE CANVASSED THIS WHOLE AREA, AND WE'VE DRAWN INSPIRATION FROM BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE INDUSTRIAL, UM, FOR OUR ARCHITECTURE STREET VIEW OF THE CURRENT PROPERTY. UM, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME, UH, OVER GRAND TREES. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT HAPPENING BACK THERE, BUT SINCE WE'VE, UH, GOTTEN, UH, SINCE WE'VE GOT ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, UM, WE'VE SINCE GONE AND PICKED UP THE TRASH, UH, MOWED THE, THE GRASS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEANER, UM, HELP THE, UH, KIND OF THE STREETS SCAPE AND, AND THAT, UM, THAT BLOCK FACE, SORRY. THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN. UM, IT'S MADE UP OF EIGHT HOMES, UH, WITH TWO PROTOTYPES. UH, THE TWO PROTOTYPES, UH, ARE ONE, UH, THE ONES FACING NORTH CHERRY, WHICH WILL BE 16, 10 SQUARE FEET. UM, THOSE TWO HOMES WILL ACTUALLY HAVE DIFFERENT FACADES. SO THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, UH, VERY DIFFERENT ARC, VERY DIFFERENT, UM, LAYOUTS OF HOW THE FENESTRATIONS ARE IN THE BALCONIES, BUT STILL KEEPING WITH THE SAME, UH, UH, MATERIALS. I THINK IT'S, IT WOULD ADD, IT'S GONNA ADD TO THE, TO THE STREET SCAPE. UH, THE ONES IN THE BACK, UM, FACING THE, THE DRIVEWAY ARE 1439 SQUARE FEET. AND, UH, BOTH WILL, UH, BOTH PROTOTYPES WILL ACTUALLY BE THREE BEDROOMS, TWO AND A HALF BATHROOMS. UM, HOME. THE HOME, UH, NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS AT THE NORTH, UH, EAST CORNER, IS ACTUALLY WILL BE A CUSTOM BUILT. UM, ONCE WE KIND OF HAVE A PROGRAM AND ARCHITECTURE FOR THAT, WE COMMIT OURSELVES TO COMING BACK AND PRESENTING TO THE, UH, H E R C. UM, ALL THE HOMES WILL HAVE TWO PARKING SPOTS. TANDEM, UM, STREET IS, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR STREET, THE WAY WE'RE DESIGNING IT IS A PERMEABLE ROAD, BOTH ON THE DRIVEWAY AND ON THE TANDEM PARKING. YOU KNOW, IT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, IT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE, AND WE WILL BE ADDING, UM, SOME, UH, SOME IMPERVIOUS COVER. SO, YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE USING A TRUE GRID SYSTEM, WHICH WE'VE USED BEFORE. UM, IT'S, IT'S LANDSCAPING AND ALSO HELPS MITIGATE ANY RUNOFF AND, UH, ANY ADVERSE EFFECT TO OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, IN THE FUTURE. YEAH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE USED THIS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE PERSONALLY USED THIS IN, IN OTHER PROJECTS, AND, UM, WE'LL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT ONCE ALL THE HOMES ARE ACTUALLY BUILT, IT ALMOST, YOU KNOW, UH, BECOMES A COMMUNITY SPACE WHERE THE NEIGHBORS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SHOULD SHUT IT DOWN AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE A NICE DINNER OR PARTY, A BLOCK BLOCK PARTY. UM, THIS RIGHT HERE IS OUR FENCE EXHIBIT. IT SHOWS THE LAYOUT OF HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WILL BE DELINEATING THE PROPERTIES AND ADDING PRIVACY FOR EACH OF THESE HOMES. UM, SIX FOOT FENCE WILL BE ON THE, ON THE HORIZONTAL, ON THE, UH, BOUNDARY OF THE PROJECT. AND THEN THE FOUR FOUR FOOT HOG WIRE FENCE WILL ACTUALLY BE, UM, THE ORANGE LINE, WHICH WILL BE FACING, UM, CHERRY STREET. AND THEN THE, THE, UM, THE ONES, UH, SEPARATING THE, THE TENDON PARKING. UM, WE'VE INCLUDED PICTURES OF, OF THOSE, UH, FENCES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE PACKAGE AS WELL. UM, I DO WANNA ADD ONE MORE THING. UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, UH, OUR, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, HAVE CONTACTED A PRIVATE WASTE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, PROVIDING THE SERVICES TO OUR, SO THEY WILL BE PICKING UP, UM, WEEKLY BOTH RECYCLE AND, AND WASTE, JUST LIKE ANY NORMAL, UM, COMMUNITY WOULD RENDERINGS OUR PROJECT. UM, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, UM, PUT REALLY, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ARCHITECT, UM, FELIX ZIGA AND, AND HIS, UH, TEAM HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, I THINK, OF KIND OF TAKING THE, THE, UH, PRECEDENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMING UP WITH A GREAT, UM, UH, GREAT DESIGN THAT, THAT FACES CHERRY STREET. UM, AND THEN ALSO HELP, UM, ALSO, UH, HELPS KIND OF INTRODUCE YOU TO THE, TO THE UNITS IN THE BACK. [01:25:02] UM, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE? YEAH. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UM, WE, UH, DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, UH, SITES, BOTH IN MATERIALS AND FORMS. THERE WE GO. RENDERING THE FLOOR PLAN. THERE WE GO. SO THESE ARE THE FLOOR PLANS. UH, THE 1610 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FLOOR PLAN, ONE OF, UM, ONE OF THE TWO THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE FACING CHERRY STREET. UM, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, OUR THREE DRCS, UM, AND HOW WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW THE PROPORTIONS WOULD WORK IN RELATIONSHIP TO, UM, NOT ONLY THE, THE STREETSCAPE, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, AND OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT THE OTHER HOMES THAT WE WOULD BE BUILDING. SO WE, WE CAME DOWN AND WE REDUCED THE SECOND FLOOR TO THE, TO NINE FEET ON THE SEC, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, ON THE ONES FACING THE STREET. AND THEN ON THE SECOND, THE SECOND ON THE, ON THE PROTOTYPES THAT ARE BEHIND, UH, 14 ON THE, THERE WE GO, 14, 30 NINES. YEAH, WE'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED THOSE CEILING, THOSE CEILINGS TO NINE IN THE FIRST FLOOR, AND EIGHT ON THE, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR. WE ALSO, UH, UM, LOWERED THAT PITCH, UM, TO CREATE, TO REDUCE THE MASSING, AS YOU WOULD SEE IN THE NEXT, UM, SLIDE TO WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE EXPLORED SEVERAL OF THESE, UH, SECTIONS THROUGHOUT OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, THE D R C. UM, THIS ONE, I THINK THIS, THIS IS A GREAT MEDIUM WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOWS HOW, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE FRONT STREET, THE UNIT FACING THE STREET A LITTLE BIT LARGER, AND THEN REDUCING THE ONES IN THE BACK, UM, UH, ALONG WITH THE, WITH A LOT, UH, RUNNING OFF TO, UH, TO THE STREET, UM, CREATES THAT HIERARCHY. UM, NOT ONLY FROM THE STREETSCAPE, BUT ALSO IN, IN THE SECTION. OKAY. SET, SET BACK. UM, YEAH, WE, WE WENT WHEN CANVAS, THE, UH, STREET AS, AS, UH, BEST AS WE COULD, UM, FROM THE CURB AND FROM THE, UH, FROM THE SIDEWALK. UM, OUR MEDIUM, UH, BLOCK, UH, THE BLOCK MEDIUM SETBACK ON THIS, UH, ON THIS BLOCK PHASE IS 29.8. WE ARE PROPOSING A, UH, SETBACK OF 30 AND 31 AND A HALF, WHICH IS BEHIND THE MEDIUM. NEXT, PLEASE, UH, LOT COVERAGE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE, WE WANTED TO EXPLORE AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR FOOTPRINTS AS WE WERE DESIGNING, STRETCHING, AND PULLING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WERE UNDER THE 50% THRESHOLD. UM, OUR, UH, OUR, UH, AVERAGE FOR EACH OF THESE, LOT OF, ALL THESE LOTS ARE ACTUALLY 34%, WHICH IS WAY BELOW THE 50. AND THE, UM, AND THE, THEN THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IN WHOLE IS 26.5, SO AN AVERAGE OF 34 FOR EACH OF THE LOTS. AND THEN 26, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. YEAH, WE, AT, AT D R C, WE WERE ALSO ASKED TO CANVAS, UH, THE, THE BLOCK PHASE, UH, THE WHOLE BLOCK PHASE, AND, AND TRY OUR BEST TO FIGURE OUT HOW OUR PROJECT AND OUR LOTS WERE COMPARING TO OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR MEDIAN NEIGHBORS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, WENT AHEAD AND WE TOOK, UH, UM, ACCOUNT OF ALL THE, THE HOMES THAT WERE FACING CHERRY STREET, AND WE CAME BACK WITH A AVERAGE, UH, BLOCK LOT COVERAGE OF 40.2, 42.2, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ABOVE OF OUR CURRENT, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT HEIGHT EXHIBIT. UM, YOU KNOW, AS AS NOTED, WE, YOU KNOW, MAY, UH, THE HOMES FACING, UH, THE HOMES ON THIS, UH, STREET ARE ONE STORY, YOU KNOW, BUT PER THE, PER THE GUIDELINES, WE ARE ALLOWED TO GO ONE STORY. SO WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, WE ARE NOT GOING MORE THAN THAT, AND FINDING WAYS TO REDUCE THAT MASSING AND WORKING WITH OUR ROOFS TO, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT, UM, AS A, I GUESS, AS KEEPING A RELATIONSHIP TO OUR, TO OUR NEIGHBORS. THESE ARE SOME OF THE LAST PRESENTS THAT WERE ADDED TO THE PRESENTATION. UM, AT OUR LAST, UH, D R C MEETING. UM, WE WANTED TO KINDA SHOW THE PRECEDENCE OF, OF OUR ALLEY OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN, IN OUR PROJECT, CREATING AN ALLEY AND, UM, THE, AND THE, AND THE WIDTH OF THAT. SO THESE RIGHT HERE ARE, UH, EXISTING ALLEYS AND PROJECTS, INGENUITY HILL, HISTORIC ANNUITY HILL THAT ARE, UM, BELOW 20 FEET, AND ALL THESE HO AND AND HOMES THAT ARE FACING [01:30:01] THOSE, UH, THOSE, UH, STREETS. UM, I ALSO DO WANNA POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, 4 22 HAYES STREET, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY THE CLOSEST TO OUR PROJECT. IT'S SAY 14 FOOT DRIVE, AND IT FEEDS FOUR HOMES. YEAH. UH, ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER, UH, ALLEY PRECEDENT HERE, UM, PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY, UH, UH, THIS, UH, THIS H R C PANEL IN THE PAST, AND THAT ARE IN HISTORIC, UH, NUITY HILL WITH, UH, ALLEYS THAT ARE CROSSING AND ALLEYS THAT ARE DEAD ENDING AS WELL. SANDBAR MAP. UM, WE DID SOME DIGGING, UM, AND WE PULLED THIS 19, UH, THIS FROM 1904 ARCHIVES. IT SHOWS THAT OUR PROPERTY HAS, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY HAD, YOU KNOW, A SOME, YOU KNOW, ALREADY SOME, SOME DENSITY ON IT. THE, THAT BIG BUILDING THAT YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE IS ACTUALLY A GREENHOUSE. IT'S, IT WAS A COMMERCIAL. IT WAS A, A COMMERCIAL, UM, PROPERTY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT HAD CASITAS, IT HAD A RESIDENTIAL HOME. SO IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK IT WAS LIKE IN THE 1940S WHERE THE CITY DECIDED TO, UH, CHANGE THAT ZONING. UM, AND, AND IT'S HAD SEVERAL, UH, ZONINGS, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE EXISTENCE. BUT, UM, I DID NOTICE THAT ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS THAT OUR, OUR, I GUESS OUR PROJECT DID NOT FOLLOW THE, THE, THE PLAN. THE, THE PLAN RIGHT HERE IN THE, IN THE 2009 NUITY HILL PLAN IS ACTUALLY LOW DENSITY MIXED USE. THAT'S THE LAND USE. AND IN THE LAND USE RM FOUR, MF 25, AND I D Z IS A, A USE THAT IS RECOMMENDED BECAUSE IT, IT, AGAIN, IT'S SOME FRINGES OF THE COMMUNITY OF THE, OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT STARTS TO BLEND WITH THAT INDUSTRIAL PART AND, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN. SO, UM, UM, FELIX IS GONNA COME UP AND PRESENT THE REST OF OUR PRESENTATION. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UM, I'LL TRY TO MAKE THIS PART QUICK. UM, SO AS RICARDO MENTIONED, HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT. UM, I'D LIKE TO RE RESTATE THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR PROJECT IS IN THE FRINGE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS INTRIGUING AND, AND A CHALLENGE FOR US. UM, I THINK IT CREATES A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY, UH, WITH OUR, OUR DESIGN EXPRESSION AND ARCHITECTURE TO START TRANSITIONING FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE HEART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AT DIGNITY PARK DOWN TO THE INDUSTRIAL, UM, AREAS. UM, LET'S SEE. SO WE ARE, WE ARE, UM, LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD AND THE DEED DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICT. UM, WE'RE PROPOSING EIGHT UNITS WITH TWO, TWO STRUCTURES FACING THE STREET. UM, LET'S SEE. NEXT, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, THERE'S, THESE ARE CONTEXT PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING LOT. UM, IT'S OVERGROWN, IT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR A WHILE. I THINK IT WAS BEING USED AS A, ALMOST LIKE A PARKING LOT. UM, AND LIKE, AS RICARDO STATED, I THINK AT THE PRIOR ZONING IN 1938 WAS COMMERCIAL ZONING. EVERYTHING ACROSS THE STREET IS ZONED D DOWNTOWN AS WELL. UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS, THIS, AGAIN, THIS EMPHASIZES THE FRINGE CONDITION, UM, OF OUR SITE AND THE PROJECT. UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSITION AND MESH THE INDUSTRIAL, THE D DOWNTOWN AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE CAN, I THINK, WE THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT THROUGH THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SOME MORE CONTEXT PHOTOS AGAIN, UH, FACING NORTHWEST, UH, AT THE, AT OUR CLOSEST INTERSECTION OF SHERMAN AND CHERRY. YOU'VE GOT SOME VACANT LAND, YOU HAVE SOME, YOU HAVE THE FREEWAY. UM, YOU, YOU GET GLIMPSES OF SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ON AUSTIN STREET. UM, UH, ON, ON SHERMAN, YOU HAVE THESE, UH, LARGE MASS TWO STORY, UH, VOLUMES, UM, INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES. AND THEN CHERRY STARTS BECOMING A BIT MORE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UM, EXEMPT, SIR. THE, THE WHAT? UM, BUT WE'RE STILL PRESENTING MR. CHAIR, DO YOU WANT HIM TO CONTINUE? IF YOU CAN, UH, TRY TO WRAP THIS UP SHORTLY. SURE. UM, DO THE PRESIDENT, WE'LL GET THE QUESTIONS, I'M SURE. YEAH. UH, QUESTIONS WILL BE ASKED, AND YOU CAN, YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO ANSWER THOSE. EXCELLENT. UM, SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. [01:35:01] A FEW MORE CONTEXT PHOTOS, SOME, SOME OF THE HOMES, THE HISTORIC HOMES THAT HAVE STUCCO. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, OUR, OUR FOUNDATION HEIGHT EXHIBIT JUST SHOWS WE'RE IN CONFORMANCE, UM, PER THE GUIDELINES. NEXT SLIDE. UM, THIS JUST REFERENCES THE, UM, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, AND SPECIFICALLY REHABILITATION'S NEW CONSTRUCTION. YOU KNOW, WE, AGAIN, WE EMPHASIZE ON NOT TRYING TO CREATE FALSE HISTORICISM. WE WANNA DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE AND THE, THE NEW NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, SOME EXAMPLES OF CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURE WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THESE ARE FROM O H P, UH, INFIELD DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES, NEW CONSTRUCTION GUIDELINES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AGAIN, EMPHASIS ON THE INDUSTRIAL. AND WE'RE TRYING TO TRANSITION, UH, WITH THROUGH THE MATERIALS AND THE VOLUMES. UM, STUCCO BRICK, UM, MASSING, YOU KNOW, LARGE, SHARP STARK, UH, WALLS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, MORE HUMAN SCALE WITH THE VICTORIAN, STILL VERY HIGH CEILINGS, BUT STILL STUCCO. UH, AND THEN YOU GET THE BRICK FROM THE INDUSTRIAL POKING ITS WAY THROUGH ON THE BACKYARDS OF THE, THE BUNGALOWS ACROSS THE STREET THAT SHARE VERY SIMILAR, UH, DENSITY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, LA THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST SLIDES. UM, THIS IS NON-CONTRIBUTING. THIS BUILDING USED TO BE MY HOUSE. SO IT'S ON PINE STREET. AND AGAIN, WE'RE DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE BRICK AND THE RAILROAD AND THE, THE, THE UNION PACIFIC, UM, EXCHANGE DEPOT. UM, THE, THE BRICK, YOU KNOW, THE CLAY, THE CLAY BRICK IS, IS, UM, THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN THE 1940S. IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. YOU KNOW, OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL BE NON-CONTRIBUTING AS WELL. UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, THEN THESE ARE PRECEDENTS OF MODERN ARCHITECTURE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND MODERN INTERPRETATIONS OF DETAILS. WE HAVE SHALLOW OVERHANGS, WE HAVE LARGE PICTURE WINDOWS AND SOME OTHER EXAMPLES. WE HAVE A MIX OF ONE OVER ONES WITH PICTURE WINDOWS, UH, FOLLOWING, UH, TRADITIONAL FENESTRATION PATTERNS. UM, UH, SOME, SOME UNIQUE PLACEMENT. AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES OF CORIN AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WEATHERED WOOD, UM, WITHIN THE DISTRICT AS WELL. AND THESE ARE A LOT CLOSER TO THE HEART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS OUR FRINGE CONDITIONS. UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THEN THESE ARE, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF SOME CREATIVE USE OF STUCCO THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT. UM, YOU HAVE, UH, DOWN, JUST DOWN THE STREET ON CHERRY, WE HAVE, UH, THE CHERRY MODERN, UM, AGAIN, HISTORIC, HISTORIC USE OF SHALLOW OVERHANGS AND SOME VICTORIAN PROJECTS. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OTHER ONES ARE BOSTON COMMONS, WHICH, WHICH SHARE BOTH AN ALLEY, UM, ACCESSIBLE PROJECT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS A PROJECT OFF OF, UM, FORGOT THAT STREET NAME. I THINK IT'S ONE STREET SOUTH OF BURLESON. BUT THEY DID STUCCO AND PLANK SIDING AS WELL, AND WE FOUND IT VERY INTRIGUING. UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE STUCCO, A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEMPORARY USE OF MATERIALS, INDUSTRIAL MATERIALS, METAL, METAL STANDING, SEA METAL ROOF USED AS SIDING. UM, THE PI, THE PICTURE AT THE FAR LEFT. AND THEN WE HAVE 4 22 HAZE, WHICH HAS IN, UH, CATTLE WIRED ROD, IRON, UH, CANTILEVERED RA, UH, BALCONIES. UM, AND THEN VERY, A VERY BEAUTIFUL, UM, BROAD IRON RAILING AT THE, IN THE, THE, THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PHOTO IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE. UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SOME MATERIAL DETAILS. UH, I THINK A LOT OF Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THESE BEFORE. I SAW, I WON'T GO ON THEM TOO LONG, BUT IT JUST, IT'S OUR PALLET FOR, FOR OUR, UH, MATERIAL PROPOSED MATERIALS. UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THEN OUR PROPOSED FENCING. UM, AND I THINK THE NEXT SLIDES ARE THE, UM, LETTERS OF SUPPORT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. YEAH. YES, YOUR HONOR. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YES. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. CAN WE HEAR A REPORT FROM SOME OF THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS WHO ATTENDED THE D R C? I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS ON THAT EXCHANGE AND, AND WHETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE APPLICANT WAS RESPONSIVE TO THAT, AND IF YOU'VE SEEN SOME CHANGES AND MODIFICATIONS COMING OUT OF THAT. AND I WAS APOLOGIZE THAT I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THAT. SURE, SURE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, WELL, IT, IT, IT, UM, I THINK AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EMPHASIZE HOW MANY DRCS WE'VE HAD AND, AND HOW, UM, UM, COOPERATIVE AND CREATIVE THIS, UH, YOUNG TEAM, UH, HAS BEEN, I MEAN, IT, IF THEY'RE AN EXAMPLE OF THE, THE, [01:40:01] THE DILIGENCE OF, UH, OF THE APPLICANTS THAT, THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO EXPECT. I, I'VE GOTTA COMMEND THEM ON, ON, UM, THEIR THOROUGHNESS AND ESPECIALLY THE, THE, THE QUALITY OF, OF THE, THE STUDY OF THE DENSITY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD IN DRCS ABOUT THE, THE MASSING AND THE, YOU KNOW, WHICH I WAS KIND OF OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF BRINGING DOWN THOSE ROOF PITCHES SO THAT THEY'RE BEHIND THE FRONT PITCH. UH, BECAUSE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT THE, THE TOP ELEVATION GIVES YOU SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE GROUND ELEVATION IS DOING, RIGHT? BUT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT, HOW, HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO BE, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, COOPERATIVE WITH, WITH THE DRCS, UH, THE DETAILS THAT THE CHAIRMAN HAD DISCUSSED WITH THEM ABOUT, UH, UH, VERTICAL, UM, TRANSITIONS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, WALL MATERIALS, AND THEN HOW THE OVERHANGS, UM, UH, REALLY KIND OF IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THEY WERE HOPING TO, TO ACHIEVE, BUT, BUT DID MAKE THOSE CHANGES. UH, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE CHANGES. SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU THAT, UM, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE REALLY, UM, SHOWN, UM, UM, CREATIVE COOPERATION AND, UM, THE END RESULT IS CLEARLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST WHAT THEY WANTED, BUT, UM, REALLY ADDRESSED EVERY SINGLE ITEM THAT THAT, UH, WAS DISCUSSED IN OUR DRCS. UH, YES, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AND I ALSO ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THE DRCS, AND WE DID DISCUSS, UH, MASSING AND, UH, CEILING HEIGHTS IN THE STRUCTURES. AND I EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY THE TWO, UH, HOUSES ON CHERRY STREET, UH, THE MASSING OF THOSE TWO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK FULL OF, UH, ONE STORY BUNGALOWS, UH, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. UM, AND YES, THE, THE CODE ALLOWS FOR, UH, ONE STORY ABOVE THE EXISTING, UH, WAS PREDOMINANTLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UH, THERE'S ONE STORY AND THEN THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE ONE STORY. AND, UM, THESE ARE FAIRLY SMALL FOOTPRINT BUILDINGS. UM, AND I WAS CONCERNED THAT HAVING NINE AND 10 FOOT CEILING HEIGHTS ON THESE SMALL FOOTPRINTS ARE GOING TO, UH, THE MASSING OF THE, THE STRUCTURES IS GONNA BE, UM, SOMEONE OVERWHELMING, UH, ESPECIALLY THE TWO ALONG CHERRY STREET AND, UH, WITH THEIR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT. AND THEY PRESENTED, UH, STUDIES OF DIFFERENT ROOF FORMS FOR THE INTERIOR STRUCTURES, AND, UH, HAD A COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR KEEPING THEM AS, UH, GABLE ROOFS. UM, AND THEY, UM, THEY'VE PRESENTED SOME OTHER, UH, OPTIONS OR DRAWINGS THAT SHOWED THE TRANSITION OF, UH, IF YOU GO TO DRAWING 22, PLEASE, EDWARD, UH, MAYBE, UH, 22 OF THE P D F PACKAGE. OH, YES. OKAY. YES. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE INTERIOR, UH, HOMES THAT HAVE THE, THE BRICK ON THE FRONT FACADE AND, UH, SIDING, I BELIEVE ON THE SIDE FACADES. AND, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSITION OF THAT, UH, MASONRY TO THE SIDING. AND, UH, THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL AND, UH, ALL DETAILS ARE BEING STUDIED, UH, AND, UM, WHICH I APPRECIATED THAT. SO, UM, I HAD STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE MASSING OF THE, THE TWO THAT ARE ON, UH, CHERRY STREET. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I, I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT, UM, I AM VERY HAPPY THAT YOU ARE REDEVELOPING THESE VACANT LOTS. UM, I KNOW WE HAVE A HOUSING PROBLEM. I KNOW WE HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM. UM, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT I, I DON'T THINK THAT REDEVELOPING HIM IN THIS MANNER, UM, WHERE WE [01:45:01] HAVE, WELL, IT'S THE SETTING WHERE WE HAVE A VERY LEGIBLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, VERY LEGIBLE AND CLEAR PRECEDENT OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES. I DON'T THINK THAT ESTABLISHED SETTING CONTEXT, UM, NEEDS TO, NEEDS TO BE DIS DISCARDED SO QUICKLY, UM, INTO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE A PRECEDENT. WHAT I WAS HOPING TO SEE IN THIS FINAL, UH, CASE FILE ARE SOME PRECEDENTS OF HISTORIC, UH, CONTEXT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN HOUSES THAT WOULD SERVE AS YOUR PRECEDENT. INSTEAD, I, UM, I'M SEEING ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION AS A PRECEDENT RATHER THAN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS THE PRECEDENT. SO IT MAKES ME THINK THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT SET OF GUIDELINES HERE. UM, UM, BUT, UM, SERIOUSLY, UM, THE, UM, I THINK THE DENSITY, THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS REALLY WHAT IS THE OUTLIER HERE. I THINK YOUR APPROACH WITH THE MATERIALS AND THE FORMS AND THE, UM, PERMEABILITY OF THOSE FRONT PORCHES IS RIGHT ON TRACK. IT'S ALMOST AS IF, UM, I WENT TO TWO OF THE, TWO OF THE THREE DRCS, AND THE DISCUSSION WAS VERY MUCH ABOUT THE, UM, UM, DETAILS AND MATERIALITY AND SOME WINDOWS AND SETBACKS. SO IT WAS ALMOST LIKE EATING DESSERT BEFORE HAVING DINNER. I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE MEAT AND POTATOES, AND THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE MASSING AND THE, THE, UM, THE, THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING INTENSITY ON THOSE TWO LOTS THAT, UP UNTIL RECENTLY WERE VERY MUCH LIKE THE OTHER THREE TO THE SOUTH AND THE OTHER THREE OR FOUR TO THE NORTH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD, UM, REALLY BE INTERESTED IN, UM, DISCUSSING WITH YOU GUYS FURTHER. UM, I HAVE THE QUESTION, WHY EIGHT? WHY EIGHT? WHY NOT FIVE WHEN THERE WERE TWO HOUSES? WHY NOT THREE? WHY EIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT, YOU KNOW, IT GOES INTO, UH, I JUST WANNA START BY SAYING THAT THE KNOW RIGHT NOW, THE AVERAGE 50 BY ONE 50 HOME IN DIGNITY HILL IS PUSHING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MAKE OUR PROJECT WORK AND TO PROVIDE A, A, I WOULD SAY AN ATTAINABLE PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, DENSITY IS, IS NEEDED. YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY, RIGHT NOW AS ZONED, WE CAN GO DO FOUR. AND, AND THAT'S BY, RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR, IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S RM FIVE, SO WE CAN DO FOUR UNITS AS OF RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO MAKING A PRODUCT THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN ENJOY AND THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW, MOVE INTO THIS COMMUNITY, BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, ENJOY THE AMENITIES IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, UM, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN AFFORD HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, BUT MORE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD MID THREE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PUSHING FOUR. IT REALLY IS ABOUT ATTAINABLE PRODUCT. OKAY. UM, TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT THEN, UM, I THOUGHT I RECOG, I SAW IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THESE WERE RM FOUR OR R FOUR AND RMM SIX, R FIVE, EACH LOT. WERE THESE REZONED? NO, MA'AM. UM, OKAY. THINK THEY'RE BOTH RM SIX, RMM SIX, ONE IS RMM SIX, AND THE OTHER IS R FOUR, I THINK PART OF ONE UNIT. UH, I THINK THE ONE, SO WHAT IT'S LIKE A MIX. IT'S LIKE RM RM SIX IN THE FRONTS, AND THEN THE BACK, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE LIKE A 50 BY 50 BY 50 LOT. IT'S LIKE R FOUR. SO MY OBSERVATION THAT THERE, IT'S TOO MUCH HOUSE THERE. TOO MUCH DENSITY, TOO MANY STRUCTURES TOO HIGH. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY IT'S MY OPINION, IT'S MY OF COURSE, INFORMED OPINION. YES. UM, IT'S MY EXPERIENCE, UM, THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT DISRUPTS THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING SETTING. THAT'S PART ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES IN OUR GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, I HAVE THOSE SORTS OF, UM, SKILLS TELL ME THAT THIS IS A BIT TOO MUCH, JUST A WEE BIT TOO MUCH. BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE NUMBERS AND THE DENSITY. WE KNOW THAT WITH THE ZONE EXISTING ZONING, UM, YOU CANNOT BUILD THESE, YOU DO NEED TO GO TO HAVE THESE REZONED, CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. YES. SO THAT'S [01:50:01] NUMERICALLY, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE ALSO A LITTLE BIT HIGH IN THE DENSITY, UM, BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING THAT WAS REDONE PRETTY RECENTLY IN CON CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UM, EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO FIND, UM, OR TO MAKE THIS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE EXISTING CONTEXT. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE GUIDELINES THAT SAY YOU HAVE TO BEND YOUR BUILDING TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND INCREASE DENSITY AND MAKE IT MORE LIKE DOWNTOWN. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE GUIDELINES THAT REQUIRE YOU TO DO THAT. SO, UM, I WOULD JUST, UM, PREFER TO SEE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE IN THE SPIRIT OF THE PRINCIPLES OF THE GUIDELINES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, UH, SEE IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I DEFER TO, TO MR. GIBBS IF HE HAS COMMENTS ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. SO, UM, AND I KIND OF AGREE WITH WHERE, UM, COMMISSIONER SABINO IS GOING, LOOKING AT THE, THE PROJECT ITSELF AND LOOKING AT WHAT DICK WITTY HILL HAS TO OFFER, UM, AS FAR AS THE HOMES ARE CONCERNED, ALTHOUGH I'M SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE, UM, THE DEVELOPER HAS STATED ABOUT THE, THE COST OF HOMES AND DICK WITTY HILL RIGHT NOW. BUT THIS ALSO TO ME SEEMS TO BE A LOT, UM, IN THAT, UM, SMALL SPACE, UM, WHERE YOU ARE, EVEN THOUGH I'M LOOKING AT THE HOMES THAT FRONT, UM, CHERRY STREET AND THEN LOOKING AT THE, UM, THE HOMES THAT FOLLOW IN BEHIND THERE, I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE ALONG WITH, OH, I SHOULDN'T SAY AGREE, BUT I AM KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT MR. SABINO IS SAYING. SO THANK YOU FOR THE, UM, THE SHOUT OUT, UM, FOR COMMISSIONER, UM, CARPENTER ALLOWING ME TO SAY SOMETHING THERE. 'CAUSE I I DEFINITELY WANTED TO GET MY COMMENTS ON RECORDS. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES, SIR. I, I CONCUR WITH, WITH THOSE, I I THINK THERE IS A KIND OF A DISTORTION FIELD IN DIGNITY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMICS AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATION OF TRYING TO PUT AS MANY UNITS ON, ON THIS PROPERTY AS POSSIBLE TO PULL DOWN THE, THE PER UNIT COST. AND, AND, UM, BUT I, I DO LOOK AT THESE AND, AND I THINK THEY'RE WELL CRAFTED. I THINK THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THEY NEED TO BE BAKED MORE. THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PACKAGE. I WOULD REALLY, UM, I, I LIKE THE, THE MATERIAL PALETTE. I THINK THE USE OF THE MATERIALS THOUGH CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRATEGIC AND A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPRESSIVE OF MASSING AND HAVE SHOW A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEGRITY RATHER THAN KIND OF COMING TO A FUNNY EDGE LIKE A A 1950S, YOU KNOW, TRACK HOME DROPPING OFF THE BRICK AND GOING TO ASBESTOS SIDING. I THINK THERE, THERE, THERE CAN BE SOME REFINING OF THOSE DETAILS AND THERE WILL BE SOME REFINING THAT OF THOSE DETAILS. SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE THERE. UM, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS SORT OF COMMUNAL, UH, DRIVE DOWN THE MIDDLE AND HOW IT'S TREATED MATERIALLY MAKING THAT FIELD MORE AS A PEDESTRIAN ZONE, UH, THAN A, THAN A VEHICULAR ONE. I THINK IT COULD BE A REALLY GREAT STRATEGY. BUT I DO THINK THE OVERALL DENSITY IS, IS A LITTLE HIGH. AND I KNOW THAT BROACHES OUT OF WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS HERE, BUT I THINK THAT DOES GO TO, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE CHARACTER, UH, THAT'S DEFINED BY THIS PROPOSAL. AND, UM, SO I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE LESS DENSE AND THAT ACTUALLY PROVIDES SOME BACKYARDS TO THESE HOUSES. I THINK THESE WOULD BE REALLY DELIGHTFUL TO, TO LIVE IN, BUT THEY, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE BREATHING ROOM AROUND THEM TO, TO MAKE 'EM HABITABLE. AND PARTICULARLY FOR, I THINK WHAT YOUR TARGET MARKET'S GONNA BE IS, UH, YOUNG PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES, PEOPLE WITH PETS. AND I JUST, I DON'T SEE SOME OF THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT YOUR MARKET'S GONNA WANT HERE. UM, BUT ALL IN ALL, I, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS, THIS IS ON THE FRINGES OF THE, OF THE DISTRICT. YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT CONTEXT TO RELATE TO WITH THE, UH, THE RAILWAYS AND THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M REALLY OPEN TO SOME EXPLORATION OF THE MATERIAL PALLETS AS LONG AS THEY'RE, THEY'RE DONE, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME INTEGRITY. AND I THINK, UH, THE DENSITY IS MY GREATEST CONCERN ON THIS. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. WELL, I, I WAS, WAS HOPING TO MAKE A MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE AS, AS PRESENTED IN THE HOPES THAT WE COULD GET INTO DISCUSSION. 'CAUSE TECHNICALLY WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND, AND THEN WE [01:55:01] GO INTO DISCUSSION. UM, AND THEN WE COULD SEE THAT IF IT, YOU KNOW, HOW IT GOES THERE. I, I GUESS IN EITHER CASE WE'D HAVE DISCUSSION, BUT, SO I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS, AS PRESENTED. UM, AND WE'LL SEE IF WE GET A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND. NO DISCUSSION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR. I, I WANT TO, UM, I WANNA ATTEMPT TO, UH, TAKE OUR DIALOGUE, UM, INTO, I THINK PART OF WHAT WE KNOW IN, IN THE PROFESSION, RIGHT? AS ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, OR AT LEAST THE BEST OF THEM, THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES TO US LIKE AN ALGEBRA PROBLEM, RIGHT? I THINK MOST PEOPLE, THEY LOOK AT IT LIKE IT'S JUST A PRETTY BUILDING AND I LIKE THE BUILDING, OR I DON'T LIKE THE BUILDING, BUT THE ALGEBRA PROBLEM, IT, IT REQUIRES THAT THE PRESENTER PRESENT TO US THE MATH, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT WE'RE TAUGHT, THE ANSWER DOESN'T MATTER REALLY. IT'S SHOW US THAT, THAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO COME TO THE RIGHT ANSWER. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT MASSING NOW IN THE MATH. THIS TEAM HAS SHOWN US THE DENSITY PATTERN OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO US HAS A LOWER DENSITY. AND MY, MY, MY PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THAT WE, THAT WE, WE APPROACH THESE ISSUES IS THAT SOMEHOW WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT. SO THAT WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS IT, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE A VEILED WAY TO SAY, I DON'T LIKE IT, BECAUSE THE ONLY HONEST WAY TO SAY IT IS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE TWO STORY BUILDINGS. NOW, SAY THE MASSING IS TOO HIGH ON CHERRY, OKAY? THAT KINDA GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT IF THEY TOOK THE TWO BUILDINGS TO ONE STORY BUILDINGS, THEN THEY'D HAVE TWO STORY BUILDINGS BEHIND THEM. BUT SEE, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT AGAINST THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN WE SAY THAT THE LARGER BUILDINGS ARE NOT SUBORDINATED, IT'S THE REAR BUILDINGS THAT ARE SUBORDINATED. SO THEN ALMOST BY DEFAULT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WE LOOK AT IT LIKE AN ALGEBRA PROBLEM, RIGHT? WHICH MEANS WE'RE NOT IN CHARGE OF THE MATH, THE MATH'S IN CHARGE OF THE MATH, THAT THEN IT'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY OF HAVING TWO STORY BUILDINGS BEHIND THE ONE STORY BUILDINGS IN THE FRONT, WHICH KIND OF MEANS WE'RE SETTING UP THE APPLICANT TO TRY TO DISCOVER WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT. WHEN REALITY, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S MORE DILIGENT, IT'S MORE, THERE'S MORE JUSTICE IN, IN OUR ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE DESIGNER, THE INTENT OF THE DEVELOPER, AND THEN TO SEE HOW THAT FITS WITHIN ALL OF THE RULES THAT FORMULATE THE ALGEBRA PROBLEM. IN THAT CONTEXT, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS. IT'S HARD FOR A PERSON WHO'S JUST LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES AND SAYING, IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET. IT'S TOO CLOSE TO HERE, IT'S TOO FAR IN FRONT. THAT'S VERY SIMPLE. BUT THE DESIGN IS NOT THAT SIMPLE. NOW I SAY ALL OF THAT BECAUSE COMING OUT OF ALL OF THE H DRCS THAT THIS YOUNG TEAM HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF US, UH, WITH, UM, WE'VE LED THEM TO THIS END. AND, AND IT'S EVIDENT IN THEIR ABILITY TO FOLLOW SURGICALLY OUR COMMENTS AND TO CARVE THIS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'VE, THAT THEY'VE DONE FROM SUBORDINATING THE HEIGHT OF THE INTERIOR BUILDINGS TO A CHOOSING TO SAY THAT THERE'S SOME MONUMENTALITY INHERENT IN SOMETHING THAT IS CLAIMING SOMETHING THAT IS PROPOSING TO BE QUASI VICTORIAN WITHIN THE MODERN CONTEXT, PULLING VOCABULARY OUT OF THE VERY STREET. THAT IS, THAT IS A CHERRY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TO, TO ME, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE INSULTING TO, TO, TO ANY OF THE BUILDINGS ON CHERRY, BUT AS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION GOES ON, CHERRY, THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY. THIS MEETS THE CONTEXT OF A GUIDELINE MORE THAN SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S BRAND NEW THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. SO WE, WE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, CUTTING YOUR NOSE OFF SPITE YOUR FACE IN A WAY. UM, I SAY THAT WITH RESPECT TO BUILDINGS, RIGHT? HAVING PERSONALITIES AND OPINIONS BECAUSE THEY SPEAK TO US, RIGHT? THAT, THAT WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE IS POSSIBLY A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE TO ALL THE PEOPLE DRIVING BY SAYING, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO THAT LOT NEXT SOMEBODY ELSE. AND THE STANDARD BY WHICH THIS PROJECT HOLDS IS I THINK THE STANDARD THAT [02:00:01] THAT THAT COMPLIMENTS AND GRAPHS ALL OF THE, THE, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF, OF CHERRY STREET SUBORDINATED TO DIGNITY WOODY HILL, BECAUSE IT IS THAT FRINGE PROJECT. SO MR. CHAIR, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT, THAT WE DEMONSTRATE THAT WHEN DESIGNERS COME BEFORE US AS A D R C, THAT THE DRC IS EITHER VERY HELPFUL OR IT'S VERY DAMNING BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY DO THESE THINGS, THEY DO THESE THINGS, THEY DO THESE THINGS, AND THEN THEY COME TO US ONCE IT, IT'S, IT'S APPARENT THAT THEY'VE, THAT THEY'VE, UH, DONE SOMERSAULTS EVERY TIME WE SIT JUMP, THEY ASK HOW HIGH WE SAY TURN, THEY SAY WHICH WAY. AND HERE'S A RESULT. THAT IS REALLY, TO ME, AN OVERSTEPPING COLLABORATION BETWEEN A COMMISSION AND DESIGNERS. BUT WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING TO US IS, IS EXACTLY THAT. I FIND IT VERY DISHEARTENING THAT NOW IT APPEARS THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE WHAT WE REALLY WANNA TELL THEM, OR WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, UM, IT'S TOO MUCH YET THEIR DENSITY IS LOWER THAN ALL THE OTHER DENSITIES. AND TO ME, THAT MEANS THAT NOT ONLY DID THEY DO THE MATH, BUT THEY GOT THE ANSWER RIGHT? AND YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT THAT KIND OF, UH, TEACHER THAT SAYS, YOU MUST HAVE CHEATED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY HAVE GOT THAT ANSWER RIGHT? THAT'S HOW I FEEL. WE'RE WE ARE TREATING THIS, IT, IT, IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BE A, A PROCESS OF HOW, HOW GENIUS ARE YOU TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'VE GOT IN OUR HEADS, BUT THAT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF CODE AND GUIDELINE AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT THEY GET AS CLOSE TO AN INTERPRETATION THAT IS TRULY COMPLIMENTARY AND A AND, AND, AND A NEW ASSET IN THAT COMMUNITY. AND, UM, IF NOT THIS PROJECT, I I, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR TRAIN OF THOUGHTS ARE HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO OR THREE DRCS AND THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING WE ASKED THEM TO DO. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, IN RESPONSE TO SOMETHING THAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, PROBABLY REFERENCING MY COMMENTS ON THE, THE SCALE OF THE BUILDINGS ON CHERRY STREET, I HAD NO, I WAS NOT SAYING THEY NEEDED TO BE ONE STORY BUILDINGS. UM, I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVERALL HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, 10 FOOT CEILINGS ON FIRST FLOOR, NINE FOOT CEILINGS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THERE THEREFORE YOU END UP WITH SOME VERY TALL BUILDINGS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ONE STORY BUILDINGS. AND SO I WAS NOT SAYING THESE NEED TO BE ONE STORY BUILDINGS, BUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR, BUT WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS IS THAT THE OVERALL DENSITY OF THE LOTS IS OF CONCERN. AND SO, UM, I THINK, AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS, SEE WHAT THEY SAY TO THE, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE, THE MOTION THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. UM, YES, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. SO WITH REGARDS TO DENSITY, WHAT DOES THE MASS SAY STAFF, WHAT DOES THE MATHEMATICS SAY ON DENSITY WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? JUST STRAIGHT NUMBERS, JUST TO BE CLEAR. WE DON'T REVIEW DENSITY . WHAT WE REVIEW IS BUILDING MASSING COVERAGE OF THE LOT, HEIGHT, SCALE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, RIGHT. MR. CHAIR, I THINK MR. SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS PLEASE. WELL, WELL, NO, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, C COMMISSIONER ANTE'S COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR DENSITY IS, IS A WORD THAT CAN MEAN A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WHAT HE MEANS IS PERCENTAGE OF COVERAGE OF THE BUILDING LOT. CORRECT? I'M LOOKING FOR THE STRAIGHT NUMBERS ON WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTED. OKAY, LET'S ZOOM IN ON THE, UM, THERE'S A DOCUMENT ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. UH, MR. CHAIR, MAY I MAKE YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, UM, TO CLARIFY, WHEN I TALK ABOUT DENSITY AND INTENSITY, THOSE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. DENSITY BY CITY STANDARDS ARE DOORWAYS, FRONT DOORS PER ACRE. THAT MEANS HOW MANY HOUSES OR FRONT DOORS, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO A DUPLEX AND HAVE TWO UNITS IN ONE BUILDING. UM, INTENSITY HAS TO DO WITH YOUR FLOOR AREA RATIO, WHICH I WISH THE CITY WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE. AND THAT IS HOW MUCH BUILDING AN AREA IS BUILT ON A LOT OR PER [02:05:01] ACRE. WE DO HAVE THAT CALCULATION ON THE, ON THAT. THAT'S FOOTPRINT SQUARE LOT FOOTAGE, THAT'S LOT COVERAGE. NO, WE DO HAVE THE LOT RATIO FOR THE FOOTPRINT ON THE LOT. YES MA'AM. FLOOR AREA RATIO THAT ADDRESSES INTENSITY TAKES THAT FIRST FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR, THIRD FLOOR. AND THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT RELATES OR CORRELATES BEST TO HEIGHT AND MASSING, WHICH IS WHAT OUR GUIDELINES, UM, LOOK TO. UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT DISTINCTION, CL CLEAR AS POSSIBLE. DENSITY IS ONE THING, INTENSITY IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. INTENSITY RELATES MORE TO WHAT O H P AND WHAT H D R C HAVE PURVIEW TO. SO, AND IN REGARDS TO ALL OF THIS, IT'S ALL VERY, VERY SIMPLE. UM, IT'S REALLY NOT VERY COMPLICATED WHEN YOU SEE A, A COMPLEX OR DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS. UM, YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, DOES THIS DISTRACT FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND THE HISTORIC SETTING? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DETERMINE. UM, THE OTHER THING IS I WOULDN'T, UM, I WOULDN'T ENDORSE ANOTHER APPROACH IF I DIDN'T SEE OTHER INVESTORS DOING IT IN OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THIS IS PERFECTLY FINE. OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE IMMENSE. UM, BUT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THERE ARE SOME INVESTORS DOING SOME VERY GOOD THINGS AND THEY'RE BEING SUCCESSFUL, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T KEEP COMING BACK. UM, AND THOSE WERE MY TWO NOTES, MY TWO COMMENTS. UM, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE, UM, MOTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS OR COMMISSIONER MIZUKI? I HAVE NO, NOTHING MORE TO ADD. UM, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HEY, CAN WE ASK THE QUESTION OF COMMISSIONER CERV? JUST VERY CLEAR? YES. SO COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE PER THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES IS 50% AND WE'RE AT 26.5%. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. WELL, I THINK COMMISSIONER UNION MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT THE DENSITY VERSUS INTENSITY. AND I, AND THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED ALSO, HEY, WE, WE, WE CAN'T LOOK AT DENSITY AS IT'S DEFINED FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT THE ZONING COMMISSION, RIGHT? BUT WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT IS THE RESULT AND CHARACTER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND SOME OF THAT IS A SORT OF A MELDING TOGETHER OF MASSING SCALE OF LOT COVERAGE AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND SO WHILE YOU CAN SAY THAT YOU'RE ONLY COVERING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, SAY A THIRD OR 40% OF THE, OF THE LOT WITH YOUR FOOTPRINT, YOU COULD STILL BE GROSSLY OUT OF SCALE FOR, FOR WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS. SO THIS IS A NUANCED THING, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT SIMPLY A MATH EQUATION THAT, THAT IT DOES REQUIRE SOME AESTHETICS AND SOME OTHER SENSIBILITIES TO, TO KICK IN HERE. AND I, AND IN GENERAL, I'M A SUPPORTER OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT. I UNFORTUNATELY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE D R C, SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO HEAR FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT SORT OF THE RECEPTIVENESS OF YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS, PARTICULARLY AT A, AT A, UM, AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL. AND, UM, I I, I WONDERED WAS IT EVER PROPOSED, HEY GUYS, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT SIX UNITS RATHER THAN EIGHT? NO. AND WAS THAT EVER DISCUSSED DURING A D R C? NO SIR. UH, DENSITY OR NEVER CAME UP IN NONE OF THE THREE DRCS THAT WE, WE ATTENDED? UM, UH, THAT'S, I WOULD LIKE TO INTERJECT. I DID MENTION THAT FIR THE VERY FIRST ONE I WENT TO THE FIRST ONE AND THE THIRD ONE. YEAH, I, I ASKED THAT. 'CAUSE I'VE READ THROUGH THE, THE NOTES ON THE D R C AND THERE DID SEEM TO BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT THE, BECAUSE OF THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON HERE. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THERE'S REAL CLARITY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED HERE. YEAH. AND FOR ME, I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT IS IN THE WIN COLUMN FOR ME ON THIS, ON THIS PROJECT. I, I LOVE THESE SORTS OF PROJECTS THAT GO IN AND TAKE OF A, A LOT THAT'S BEEN VACANT AND, AND, UH, AND A PART OF, OF THIS CITY THAT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY NEGLECTED AND, UM, TO, TO HAVE THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT TAKING PLACE. SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG FAN OF THAT. I DO JUST THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, GIVEN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE AREA AROUND THESE, THESE BUILDINGS. AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE IT HAS TO DO WITH THAT PERCEIVED CHARACTER. AND, UM, I, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, LET'S SEE, WHICH ONE IS IT, IMAGE NUMBER 24, THAT KIND OF TELLS THE STORY FOR ME, UM, WHERE I [02:10:01] JUST GO, WOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LAND HERE. DO WE NEED TO BE THAT CLOSE TOGETHER? COULD WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE BREATHING ROOM AROUND THESE THINGS AND GIVE, GIVE THESE UNITS, UM, YOU KNOW, A BACKYARD OR A SIDE YARD OR THAT SORT OF THING. AND TO HAVE THAT MOURN CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHETHER THAT MEETS THE LETTER OF THE LAW OR NOT, I MEAN, THIS WILL HAVE TO GO TO, UH, THE ZONING COMMISSION. IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLANTED ANYWAYS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TWO LOTS THAT YOU'RE MELDING TOGETHER AND CREATING A DRIVE DOWN THE CENTER. SO I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THIS IS PRELIMINARY WORK BEING DONE TO GET YOU READY FOR THOSE OTHER NEXT STEPS. UM, BUT I'M, I'M KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT SUPPORTING THIS IN ITS CURRENT, UH, CURRENT, UH, UH, MANIFESTATION BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE LESS INTENSIVE IN ITS DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. YEAH. COMMISSIONERS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN STIPULATE DROPPING DOWN FROM EIGHT TO SIX? UM, I GUESS TECHNICALLY WE COULD, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER THAT AND THEN COME BACK TO US WITH A, UH, REVISED DESIGN. UM, THERE'S ALSO, UH, ASKING THE APPLICANT BASED ON, YOU'VE HEARD MORE COMMISSIONERS TODAY, UH, MORE COMMENTS, UH, OBVIOUSLY SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, OF COURSE. UM, COME BACK TO A D R C WITH A, UM, ANOTHER PROPOSAL. YEAH, OF COURSE. UM, MORE THAN HAPPY TO, WE WILL, MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR THIS, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. YES, SIR. SO, QUESTION. UM, SO CURRENTLY, UM, I'M, I KNOW WE'RE IN DISCUSSION, BUT THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, SO IT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THAT, THAT, UM, MOTION TO SECOND? WELL, WE'D HAVE TO VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, AND THEN WE COULD LOOK FOR A SECOND MOTION OR, UH, THE APPLICANT COULD SAY, I'LL PULL IT AND WE'LL COME BACK TO A D R C. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE MOTION. IS THAT CORRECT? UNLESS THE MOTION IS WITHDRAWN. YOU KNOW, MY, UH, KIND OF WISHFUL THINKING, YOU KNOW, THE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO, TO FI FIGURE OUT WHAT UNIVERSE WE'RE IN, I MEAN, WITH RESPECT TO THE LANDSCAPE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON PRO BAND, WE JUST APPROVED A MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT, MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT WITH A PARKING GARAGE THAT HAD ONE ENTRY AND 400 APARTMENTS. NOW TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, INTENSITY AND DENSITY. AND HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY SIX BECAUSE THE OTHER TWO ARE, ARE THEIR, THEIR FUTURE PLANNED? AND THERE'S EVERY CHANCE THAT, THAT THEY LOOK AT IT AND, AND REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THEY DON'T WANNA DO THE OTHER TWO, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT, UM, THIS IS AN INTENSE AREA. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THE ALAMO BEER DEPOT GET UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE OVER THERE? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BEING THERE, IT STARTS TO DEFINE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT COMMUNITY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC CHARACTERISTIC, IT WAS A HIGH, HIGH USE COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO IT, IT SOUNDS MORE LIKE PREFERENCE THAN IT DOES CONFORMING, BECAUSE IN THE CONTEXT OF ITS HISTORIC, UH, USE, AND THEN OUR CONFORMING ACCEPTANCE OF, UH, INNOVATIVE DESIGN AND, AND MR. CHAIR, I, I LIKE THAT PICTURE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE, THE HEIGHTS, WE KNOW THAT AT A MINIMUM THEY WOULD BE EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS. SO IN ORDER TO GET THE GRANDEUR, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF RAISE THOSE PITCHES AND LIFT THOSE PLATE LINES. AND IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A BIT OF A, OF A, OF A TRADE OFF FOR A PARTICULAR BREATH, RIGHT? LIKE THEY SHOWED THAT ONE HOUSE ON, ON A, I GUESS IT'S PINE OR CHERRY EAGLE, GO FURTHER DOWN. IT'S WOOD PLANKS, VERY HIGH, VERY NARROW, KIND OF TINY IN ITS REALITY. BUT, BUT THE GRANDEUR OF IT REALLY IS WHAT ADDS TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IN TERMS OF IT BEING, CONTRIBUTING, TAKING AWAY, IT DOESN'T, THESE BUILDINGS DON'T TAKE AWAY [02:15:01] FROM THAT STREET SCAPE, THEY ADD TO THAT STREET. AND IT IS AN INSULT. I, I THINK IT'S AN INSULT TO, TO, TO USE IT IN THE, TO SAY IT IN THE CONTEXT OF IT TAKING SOMETHING AWAY BECAUSE, UM, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM ACCURATE TO WHAT WE SEE OR WHAT ANYBODY'S SEEING ON THE SCREEN WOULD, WOULD, I THINK WOULD REASONABLY SAY. SO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THIS MOTION AND SEE WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT. YES SIR. WE WOULD BE OPEN TO REDUCING, UM, THE FRONT UNIT TO 99 IF IN THIS MOTION, IF POSSIBLE. UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE PRESENTED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THE PROPORTIONS WORK WELL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN CONCEPTUAL. WE ARE IN CONCEPTUAL. SO ONCE WE GO TO FINAL, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK WITHIN THAT NINE PLUS NINE BOX. OKAY. THANKING THE, AT THE TWO FRONT BUILDINGS, MAYBE TO SIX 12, WHICH MORE . OKAY. WELL, SO LET'S, AND MR. EY, THIS, THIS, THIS ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON TO ME IS REDUCTIVE WITH RESPECT TO THE QUALITY OF ARCHITECTURE THAT I THINK, I THINK IS OUR CHARGE. THEY'RE PRESENTING TO US SOMETHING AND NOW WE'RE NEGOTIATING NOT WHAT THE BUILDINGS WANT, BUT WHAT, WHAT WILL APPEASE US? AND TO ME IT OUR, OUR OPINION, WE HAVE TO HAVE A GATE FOR OUR OPINION. AND, AND THAT IS A GATE BETWEEN THE INTENT OF THE DESIGNER AND THE CHARGE OF THE COMMISSION TO KNOW WHERE WE'VE REACHED OUR LIMITS. WE LED LIKE, WE LED THESE DESIGNERS THROUGH THE DRCS TO THIS POINT, WE BROUGHT 'EM TO THIS WONDERFUL COLLABORATIVE END. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S TIME TO BITE THE BULLET, I THINK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOTE. UM, ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. NAY. FISHER'S ABSENT. S NAYYY VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MASUKA. COMMISSIONER MASUKA, WELCOME BACK TO YOU. WE'RE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES. HE'S ON MUTE. CARPENTER NAY CERVANTES? YES. ZER NAYYY. COMMISSIONER MASUKA. THAT WAS A NAY. I AM SORRY, I WAS ON MUTE AND I COULDN'T UNMUTE. MOTION FAILS. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, JUST ASK FOR A POSTPONEMENT AND COME BACK TO A D R C? YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND I DO WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ HAS SAID IS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US, YOU HAVE LISTENED TO US, BUT THERE STILL ARE SOME CURRENT CONCERNS HERE ON THE COMMISSION. UM, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, DILIGENCE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. WHAT I SAY? THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 16. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 0 5 1 4 19 NORTH. MONUMENTAL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. TWO, ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF WITH A NEW COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF TO RECONSTRUCT THE CURB FRONT PORCH TO ITS ORIGINAL PROFILE. THREE. REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS WITH NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS. EXISTING WINDOWS ARE ALUMINUM WITH ONE WOOD WINDOW. FOUR. CONSTRUCT THE REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 844 SQUARE FEET. AND FIVE, INSTALL A FRONT AND REAR YARD, REAR YARD FENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, ROOF ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL ORIGINAL ROOF FORMS AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ARE PRESERVED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDING I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT DENTAL MOLDING MATCHED. THE ORIGINAL IS NOTED IN THE EXISTING PHOTOGRAPHS BE INSTALLED. TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH COLUMNS FEATURE PROFILE OF SIX INCHES SQUARE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM AND CHAMFORD CORNERS ORNAMENTAL ELEMENTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND HISTORICALLY ON SITE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. AND THREE, THE PORCH DECKING, THE TONGUE AND GROOVE FEATURE A ONE BY THREE PROFILE AND BE INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET FACING PORCH WALLS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND THE INSTALLATION OF NEW DOORS BASED ON FINDINGS G AND H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT ALUMINUM, THAT WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND ALUMINUM WINDOW MAY BE APPROPRIATE. SHOULD IT BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS. TWO, THAT THE DOORS THAT ARE APPRO, THAT DOORS [02:20:01] THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR FAULT VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE BE INSTALLED AND THAT THE PROPOSED DOORS BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS J THROUGH O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. UH, ONE THAT A UNIFORM SIDING PROFILE BE INSTALLED THROUGHOUT WOOD SIDING THAT MATCHES THE ORIGINAL OR COMPOSITE SIDING IN A HORIZONTAL PROFILE FEATURING A SMOOTH FINISH AND FOUR INCH EXPOSURE SHOULD BE INSTALLED. A FAUX WOOD GRAIN SHOULD NOT BE USED. TWO, THAT WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IN ADDITIONS AND ALUMINUM WINDOW MAY BE APPROPRIATE. SHOULD IT BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM TO FEATURE A REAR GABLE THAT FEATURES A CENTERED RIDGE LINE TO RESULT IN A GABLE WITH EQUAL SLOPES ON BOTH SIDES. AND FOUR, THAT THE REAR ADDITION FEATURE TRADITIONALLY SIZED WINDOWS WITH A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE AND THAT ALL RECTANGULAR WINDOWS BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL SIZES. LARGE PICTURE WINDOWS SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE OPENINGS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, ORIGINAL OPENINGS. AND FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF FRONT REAR YARD FENCING WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A FENCING DETAIL TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THERE IS ONE CASE COMMENT. UM, STAFF FINDS THAT PARKING WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE WITHIN THE REAR YARD. HOWEVER, THERE'S AN EXISTING FRONT DRIVEWAY THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS THE RIGHT TO MAINTAIN. UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, MANUAL ALMAR AND ISABELLA FONTANA ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. OH, I I DON'T THINK THEY ARE. I DON'T, LEMME CHECK AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THEM ON MY LIST. LET ME SEE IF THERE'S, UH, MAYBE A NUMBER THAT THEY SENT THAT THEY COULD BE CALLED IN ON. UH, WELL, UM, IF THEY'RE NOT PRESENTLY AVAILABLE, UH, IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME COMMISSION OR CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 17? UH, YES, BUT ONE QUESTION. UM, WHEN THEY RECEIVED THE STAFF COMMENTS, WERE THEY IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM OR DID THEY WANT TO, UH, DISCUSS SOME OF THEM. THEY NEVER RESPONDED TO THE EMAIL WITH STAFF'S COMMENTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. OKAY. SO LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17. MI MR. CHAIR, DID, DID WE MEET WITH THIS APPLICANT IN A PREVIOUS H D R C OR IN A PREVIOUS D R C? UH, BOTH. I CAN. UM, THERE WAS ONE PREVIOUS H D R C HEARING, I BELIEVE ON FEBRUARY THE SECOND. THERE WAS A D R C SITE VISIT ON FEBRUARY THE EIGHTH. AND THEN MOST RECENTLY ON THE 22ND, THEY HAD ANOTHER D R C MEETING. AND, AND IF I, IF I CAN, I THINK THEY WERE GOOD WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF HAD. CORRECT. JIMMY? I HAVEN'T RECEIVED A CONFIRMATION, UM, FROM THEM. UM, YEAH, THEY WERE, THEY WERE PRETTY COMPLIANT. THEY WERE PRETTY RECEPTIVE TO EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WE HAD TO OFFER. I KNOW THAT I, I MYSELF WENT VERBALLY. VERBALLY. THEY, THEY COMMUNICATED THAT IN THE MEETING. YES, THAT IS TRUE. WELL, GENERALLY WE WAIT UNTIL THERE'S AN APPLICANT PRESENT TO CONFIRM THAT. UM, SO I WOULD HATE TO JUST COME BACK FOR ME. YEAH, I'D HATE TO PROCEED. AND THEN THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH THE, UH, MOTION. SO WE'LL WAIT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THEM. UH, IF NOT, WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AT THE END OF THE MEETING. MOVING ON ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 25 4 11 BARRERA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL CELLULAR COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT ON THE NORTHEAST AND WEST BUILDING ELEVATIONS AT FOUR 11 BARRERA LOCATED WITHIN THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. B AND C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PANELS BE RELOCATED, UH, TO THE ROOF, WHERE THEY WILL NOT BE LOCATED ON A PRIMARY FACADE AND WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, THE APPLICANT, LEWIS MARTIN, UH, IS HERE IN PERSON. YES, SIR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER, STAFF, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I'LL, UH, I'LL KEEP THIS KIND OF BRIEF. UM, SO THIS IS THE VICTORIA PLACE APARTMENTS. IT WAS A HUD BUILDING. SO BACK IN 1959, HUD CONSTRUCTED THIS, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. IT'S A FIRST OF ITS KIND BUILDING. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED BY HUD IN HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED FOR SENIOR HOUSING AND ALL THE PLACES, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. [02:25:01] SO VERIZON WIRELESS IS KIND OF PARTNERING WITH, UH, SAHA TO, UM, PLAY ANTENNA'S ON THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO COMMUNITY. UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SINCE 2016, SO A VERY LONG TIME. UM, WE ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED THE PENTHOUSE. PENTHOUSE WAS NOT VIABLE FOR PLACING ANTENNAS ON IT BECAUSE OF, ON IT, BECAUSE OF THE REFLECTION OF ANTENNAS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP UP THERE, IF WE PLACED ANTENNAS ON THOSE RED ZONES, IT WOULD CAUSE SIGNAL BOUNCING. SO WE COULDN'T DO THAT LATER. I'LL SHOW YOU PICTURES. UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PENTHOUSE IS THE MOST VISIBLE PART OF THE BUILDING. YOU'LL SEE THAT EVERYWHERE ON 360 DEGREE PHOTOS WE PICKED. UM, SO IF YOU PUT 'EM ON THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL BE THE LEAST VISIBLE FROM ALL 360 DEGREE VISIBLES. UM, WHEN I PREVIOUSLY WORKED A PROJECT AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, I'M NOT GONNA BRING IT UP. WE WERE, WE LOOKED AT PUTTING ANTENNAS. I HAD DE WE HAD DESIGNED IT WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT 'EM UP ON THE ROOF AND WE WERE KIND OF INSTRUCTED WORKING WITH O H P. THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU PUT 'EM ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING? SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DIRECTING US. THAT'S FINE. WE DID THAT. I INCLUDED A LETTER ON THAT. AND SO WE DID THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN RIGHT HERE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WENT WITH. UH, LOOKED AT IT. THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM O H P WAS ONE PAINT AND MATCH 'EM AND TWO, KIND OF GROUP 'EM TOGETHER AND TIE A LITTLE CLUSTER. SO WHEN I FILED AN APPLICATION FOR THIS, THEY SAID, LET'S TRY TO PUT 'EM BACK UP ON TOP OF THE ROOF. WELL, IF WE PUT 'EM BACK ON TOP OF THE ROOF, THEY'RE GONNA BE MORE VISIBLE 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION. SO IF YOU CAN, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SHOW THOSE 300, THOSE PICTURES I SENT EARLIER? I WANNA SHOW YOU, AND I'M JUST, WE TOOK PICTURES ALL THE WAY AROUND. COLOR PHOTOS, THE MOST RECENT ONES. UM, IF YOU GO AROUND THE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE JUST LOOKING NOW, IF YOU STOP RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT TOP PICTURE ON THE PAGE THERE. YOU'LL SEE THAT IF ANTENNAS WERE PLACED UP ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, YOU WOULD SEE 'EM, BUT YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SEE 'EM IF WE PAINTED A MATCH AND PUT 'EM ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. JUST, I'M JUST GONNA THROW THAT OUT THERE. SO IF YOU KEEP ZOOMING THROUGH THE PICTURES HERE, SAME THING HERE. YOU WOULD SEE 'EM AGAINST THE BLUE SKY NO MATTER WHAT COLOR YOU PAINTED THEM VERSUS PUTTING 'EM ON THE, ON THE FACE OF THE BUILDING THERE. ALL RIGHT, IF YOU KEEP FLIPPING THROUGH, YOU WOULDN'T SEE 'EM FROM THIS VIEW. KEEP GOING THROUGH. NOW THAT'S STOP RIGHT HERE. THE PENTHOUSE, UH, TALKING WITH O H P, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT. THE PENTHOUSE LET'S YOU KNOW. AGREED, THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOCATION. SO KEEP FLIPPING THROUGH HERE. YOU KEEP FLIPPING THROUGH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE 'EM KEEP GOING AROUND. THIS IS KIND OF GO AROUND THE SOUTH SIDE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE 'EM. YOU WOULDN'T SEE 'EM, YOU WOULDN'T SEE 'EM. KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING. JUST AROUND THE BACKSIDE. SOUTHERN SIDE, SOUTHERN SIDE, SOUTHERN SIDE. KEEP GOING. STOP RIGHT THERE. GO BACK AT THE TOP. THERE'S THE PENTHOUSE AGAIN. YOU WOULD DEFINITELY SEE 'EM UP THERE. AND, AND THAT IN ALL FAIRNESS, YOU SEE THE HEMISPHERE TOWER OVER HERE ON THIS, UH, EAST SIDE. LOOKS LIKE YOU'D, YOU'D PROBABLY, IF YOU'RE STANDING AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, I ASK THAT HE CATCH THIS VIEW PAINTED TO MATCH. YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE STANDING AT THIS EXACT LOCATION TO SEE 'EM. BUT IF THEY'RE PAINTED TO MATCH, YOU'D HAVE TO STARE AND FOCUS IN AND SEE 'EM THERE. BUT IF YOU PUT 'EM ON TOP, THEY WOULD, YOU WOULD DEFINITELY SEE 'EM MORE IF YOU PUT 'EM ON TOP THERE. ALRIGHT. IF YOU FLIP 'EM BACK AROUND, NO AND NO. NOW IF YOU GO STOP RIGHT THERE, IF WE PUT 'EM UP ON TOP, YOU LIKELY POTENTIALLY MIGHT, WOULD SEE 'EM UP ON TOP OF THIS VIEW HERE. BUT IF THEY WERE ON THE END AND PAINTED TO MATCH, YOU NECESSARILY WOULDN'T SEE 'EM IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. IT'S THE SAME THING ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO I'M GONNA STOP THAT. SO I TALKED TO THE ARCHITECT WITH, FOR SAHA, HAD ABOUT A 45 MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH HIM. HE'S LIKE, I REMEMBER THE PROJECT BECAUSE, UH, D H R SAM POLAND WAS HIS NAME, UH, HE DID SOME WORK FOR US ON ANOTHER PROJECT AT 3 0 6 WEST MARKET HOTEL CONTESSA. UH, IT WAS A CASE BACK IN 20 18, 20 19 I THINK IT WAS. I GOT THOSE DOCUMENTS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IF YOU SHOW US THIS ONE. OKAY, HERE YOU GO. THIS IS, UH, IF YOU GO BACK UP ONE, THIS WAS THE LETTER THAT, UH, WE USED AND I DID. UH, THIS WAS THE CERTIFIC APPROPRIATENESS THAT IT, WE'VE BEEN, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT A LONG TIME. I'D PLACE INFORMAL CALL, [02:30:01] UH, UH, YOU VAN. I SAID, HEY, WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT TOO. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOUR 11 RERA A LONG TIME WHILE THEY'RE REHABBING IT. WE'RE FINALLY AT A POINT NOW WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, LET'S DO IT. WE GOT THE LEASE SIGNED, EVERYTHING'S GOOD. WE'RE AT 95%. THEY'RE LIKE, WE'RE READY FOR VERIZON FINALLY TO DO IT. YAY. SO I RECONFIRMED CALLED BACK UP AT THE TIME, YOUI FAN GOES, UH, PROBABLY WANTS YOU TO INSTALL IT IN THE SAME MANNER WE DID OUT HERE AT, AT WEST MARKET. DO, HERE'S THE SAME TWO CRITERIA. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO CRITERIA, THIS IS WHAT HE SAID. I SAID, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. SO NOW IT'S LIKE, WE WANT YOU TO PUT IT BACK ON TOP IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO. DHR IS KIND OF GOING, OKAY, WE CAN DO IT, BUT WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE VISIBLE. BUT IF YOU NEED US TO DO THAT, WE WILL DO IT. BUT WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE MORE VISIBLE. SO WE'LL, UH, YOU LET US KNOW WHEN VERIZON WIRELESS HAS AUTHORIZED US TO SAY, UH, WHAT YOUR DECISION IS. WE WANT TO BE COMPLIANT. WE WANT TO ADHERE TO THE INTENT OF O H P AND TO, UH, WE WANT TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU. I'VE GOT MORE PROJECTS COMING DOWN THE PIPE AND I WANNA HAVE GOOD COMMUNICATION, WHICH THE STAFF HAS BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE IN TAKING MY CALLS AND, UH, PROVIDING ASSISTANCE AND INPUT. AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. SO I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. UH, ONCE THIS BUILDING'S BACK UP AND RUNNING AND PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THIS LOCATION, THEY NEED TO HAVE SERVICE. OKAY, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. UH, THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL FOR THE CONTESSA WHERE THEY WERE MOUNTED ON THE FACADE, THERE WAS A NOTE IN THE APPROVAL TO ENDEAVOR TO LOOK, ORIENT THE ANTENNA'S PARALLEL TO THE PARAPET RATHER THAN PERPENDICULAR TO THE PARAPET. WHEN YOU SAY, WERE Y'ALL ABLE TO DO THAT, WHEN YOU SAY PARALLEL, I DON'T, I DON'T. I'M INSTEAD OF HANGING THEM VERTICALLY, PLACE THEM HORIZONTALLY. THE, THE ANTENNAS ARE THE WAY THEY'RE DESIGNED, THEY HAVE AN AZIMUTH AND ORIENTATION, THEY HAVE A GAIN TO 'EM. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, UH, A BASKETBALL, FOR INSTANCE, HAS A ZERO DEGREE GAIN. IT'S CIRCULAR, AND IT AS, AS THE GAIN, THE NUMBER GETS HIGHER, THE ANTENNA GOES LIKE THIS. AND SO IT'S LIKE AN OVAL. SO A 13 GAIN SPREADS OUT IF YOU TURNED IT THIS WAY, LIKE AN EQUAL SIGN, IT WOULD BE SHOOTING THE WRONG WAY AND YOU'D BE COVERING, YOU HAVE, THEY HAVE TO BE VERTICAL. OKAY. OR IT WOULDN'T BE FUNCTIONAL. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. JUST A MOMENT, SIR. UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES ASKED FIRST. OKAY. JUST REAL QUICKLY. UM, YES, SIR. SO FUNCTIONALITY, YOU JUST, YOU JUST ADDRESSED THAT RIGHT THERE. YOU'VE HAD, YOU HAVE TO ORIENT THEM A CERTAIN WAY. YES, SIR. HOW BIG ARE THESE ANTENNAS? THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE, I THE DOCUMENT HAS IT. I DON'T WANNA LIE TO YOU. THEY'RE NORMALLY LIKE HERE, THEY'RE LIKE THIS WIDE AND THEY'RE PROBABLY LIKE THIS TALL. AND WHAT IT IS, IS, UH, FOR EACH FREQUENCY THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE COMPANIES MERGE, THEY'LL HAVE ONE FOR EACH FREQUENCY. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. SO HOW DIFFICULT IS THIS? AND I KNOW AT AND T'S OR VERIZON AND ALL THE CELL PROVIDERS HAVE DONE THIS TO HIDE THEM AND INCORPORATE 'EM BEHIND A FACADE THAT DOESN'T DISTRIBUTE, THAT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THE SIGNAL. SAY, SAY THAT. CAN YOU, CAN YOU HIDE IT BEHIND A FACADE THAT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THE SIGNAL? IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN BUILD A BOX. IT, IT, IT HAS TO BE GREAT. GREAT QUESTION. IT HAS TO BE RF TRANSPARENT SO THAT BRICK AND STUFF, IT, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT WON'T PENETRATE THROUGH STILL AND ALL THAT STUFF. CORRECT. THERE ARE MATERIALS THAT I KNOW D O D USES TO HIDE NINTENDOS AND TRANSMITTERS THAT ARE NOT INTERFERENCE, INTERFERING WITH THE, UH, THEN YOU'RE CHANGING THE APPEARANCE OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING, GOING FOR AS A BOX THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. IT LOOKS LIKE A SERVICE BOX OR SOMETHING, AND IT'S IN THERE AND NO ONE KNOWS IT'S A ANTENNA. IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A SERVICE BOX. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PAINTING THEM TO MAKE THEM LESS VISIBLE. THE MORE YOU PUT UP THERE AND TALKING WITH ARCHITECTS, THEY WANT TO KEEP IT MINIMAL. THEY DON'T WANNA CHANGE THE EXTERIOR BUILDING. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VESQUEZ, I WANT TO ASK EDWARD A QUESTION, UH, EDWARD'S NEXT TO YOU, EDWARD. WHY, WHY DID O H P, UH, WHY DOES O H P PREFER THEM ON THE ROOF? UH, JUST SIMPLY, UH, THE GUIDELINES. UM, HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES SAY THAT, UH, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT, UH, ROOF PERTINENT IS THINGS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE LOCATED, UM, ON THE ROOF AND WE'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM, UH, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UM, SO THE MAIN ISSUE IS THE F C C REGULATIONS REQUIRE CO-LOCATION [02:35:01] BY, RIGHT? SO ANYTIME THE CITY GIVES A PERMIT FOR AN INSTALLATION ON THE BUILDING, THAT MEANS OTHER CARRIERS, OTHER PROVIDERS HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO THAT LOCATION. SO WE DON'T EVEN REVIEW FUTURE CO-LOCATION AT THE SAME SPOT. SO ANYTIME WE GET A NEW REQUEST, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THERE WERE THREE OR FOUR OTHER INSTALLS AT THE SAME LOCATION. THAT'S WHY WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO KIND OF GROUP THINGS IN A PLACE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE BUILDING. WELL, AND AND YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION, IS THAT, UM, THAT'S DIFFERENT. I, I THOUGHT THAT IT WASN'T PURELY AN AESTHETIC REASON, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE DIFFERENT COMPANIES WITH DIFFERENT LOOKING, UH, APPARATUSES AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES. AND THEN I'LL BE HONEST, IT'S A PRETTY MINOR REQUEST ON ITS OWN. WE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE THOUGH. OKAY. AND WITH COREY'S A VERY IMPORTANT ANSWER. THANK YOU. AND I, AND I WILL SAY THIS, TYPICALLY THE, THE WAY THE NETWORKS ARE BUILT OUT TODAY, IF THIS WAS 1995, THAT WOULD BE A GRAVE CONCERN. AND HE'S EXACTLY CORRECT AND I'M GONNA GIVE HIM THAT. BUT BEING THAT IT'S LIKE 2022, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE BEATEN DOWN FOR THAT ROOF. THIS IS, THE NETWORKS ARE SO BUILT OUT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO LIKE COVERAGE SITES RIGHT NOW. AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO, THEY'RE, SO IT'S LIKE THIS IS KIND OF A ONE-OFF SITE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS TRYING TO GET THIS DONE. SO WHEN I SAY IT'S A ONE-OFF, IT'S NOT LIKE IF THIS WAS RIGHT NEXT TO A, THE INTERSTATE, THEN YOU PROBABLY HAVE THREE OR FOUR CARRIERS TRYING TO GET ON IT. I'VE ASKED HIM, HAS AT T TALKED TO YOU ABOUT GETTING ON THIS SITE? NO. IS T-MOBILE TRYING GETTING ON THE SITE? NO, NOT YET. SO, UH, A TOUGH BOX MATERIAL WOULD IMPEDE YOUR SIGNAL, LIKE A PLASTIC TOUGH BOX MATERIAL WOULD IMPEDE THE SIGNAL AND SEE, COULD WE POTENTIALLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES. WOULD SAHA ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I'VE TALKED TO THEM. THEY PREFER NOT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD I POTENTIALLY VERIZON PAY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? POTENTIALLY, YES. I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT I GOTTA DO THE LANDLORD AND THE ARCHITECT, THEY HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT AND FOR THEIR APPLICATIONS AND THEIR PROJECTS, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO STUFF LIKE THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND MAYBE STAFF. SO THIS IS SIX YEARS IN THE MAKING TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE LITERALLY TODAY. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT STAFFING. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOT WE GOTTA LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PLASTIC BOXES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PART OF THE STRUCTURE. LOOK, THEY'RE PART OF THE BUILDING. IT'S MASSED IN THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST BELONGS. I MEAN, I'LL ALSO ADD, UM, THE REGULATIONS RE ALLOW IF THE CITY HAS REQUIRED A STEALTH REQUIREMENT FOR THE INSTALLATION. SO IN THIS CASE, A STEALTH METHOD IS PAINTED TO MATCH. THAT MEANS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO DO THE SAME THING. SO EVERYTHING HAS TO BE PAINTED TO MATCH. IF THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT'D BE CONCEALED, THEN EVERYTHING WOULD'VE TO BE CONCEALED. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER THE SIZE OF THAT SPACE SO THAT THE CO-LOCATIONS COULD BE ALLOWED. THAT'S, HE'S RIGHT. WE'RE NOT SEEING THE TYPE OF PRESSURE FOR THIS THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET WHEN THOSE REGULATIONS FIRST ROLLED OUT. UM, THIS ISN'T NEW YORK CITY, WE'RE NOT SEEING MULTIPLE INSTALLATIONS ON SINGLE ROOFTOPS. UM, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN. AND THERE ARE A FEW INSTANCES, UM, THE, THE NATIONAL BANK, THE BUILDING ON COMMERCE, UM, THAT HAS MULTIPLE INSTALLATIONS. THERE'S A FEW OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS. THEN I'LL, I'LL I'LL ADD TOO, WHEN YOU ADD, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU PUT THAT SHROUD ON THERE, WHERE BY THE TIME YOU, IF YOU STARTED PEOPLE STARTED ADDING IT, THAT SHROUD WOULD GET SO BIG BIGGER, THEN YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A HINDRANCE THAN THE ANTENNAS ARE THEMSELVES. I'VE SEEN THAT IN CERTAIN JURISDICTIONS. AND THEN THEY WIND UP LIKE, TAKE THAT DOWN, JUST PAINT 'EM. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE OFFERED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING TO PAINT THE ANTENNAS, CONCEAL 'EM. I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO ENGINEERS. WE PUT THE MINIMALIST, SMALLEST, THE ANTENNAS POSSIBLE, AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHY DO YOU ALWAYS ASK TO PUT THE SMALLEST ANTENNA AS POSSIBLE? BECAUSE I HAVE TO SHOW UP HERE TODAY TO EXPLAIN THE INSTALLATION. THAT'S WHY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UH, YES. A QUESTION REGARDING THE LONG GAME FOLLOWING, UH, COREY'S QUESTION. UM, WHAT IS THE LIFE OF THIS PARTICULAR EQUIPMENT IN TERMS OF THE SERVICE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING? 25 YEARS PLUS? OKAY, IF AN ANTENNA, LIKE SOME OF THESE ANTENNAS MM-HMM. COULD GO 13 YEARS AND THEY'LL GO UP THERE, TAKE IT OFF AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW ONE. OKAY. UM, AND SO IF YOU DO HAVE UPGRADES OR OTHER CHANGES, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ANTENNA THAT'S MODIFIED, BUT PERHAPS THE BACK EQUIPMENT, THE BACK EQUIPMENT, YOU DON'T SEE THAT IT'S ON, IT'S IN A PLACE WHERE IT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, BUT OVER TIME, IF THERE'S A NEED TO UPGRADE OR IT, CHANCES ARE IT'S ON, IS IT ON THAT EQUIPMENT ON THAT END OR IS IT ON THE ANTENNA END? UM, I GUESS I WOULD KIND OF PUT IT LIKE THIS. YOUR SPEAKERS IN YOUR HOUSE, IF YOUR HOME, HOME THEATER EQUIPMENT MM-HMM. , YOU SEE THE SPEAKERS ON YOUR WALL MM-HMM. , BUT YOU DON'T SEE THE EXACTLY. SO ALL THAT EQUIPMENT IN THERE, YOU, YOU PULL OUT THE DVD PLAYER AND YOU PUT IN THE BLU-RAY MM-HMM. . SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING ALL THAT BEHIND THE SCENES. AND THAT IF YOU WANNA [02:40:01] SHOW WHERE THE DIAGRAM OF WHERE THAT'S AT. SO IT'S ON THE ROOFTOP YES. BEHIND THE PARAPET. YES SIR. I JUST WANNA GET AN IDEA OF WHAT FUTURE MODIFICATIONS MIGHT NEED TO BE MADE TO THE ANTENNA, UM, AND HOW LONG THAT WE WOULD EXPECT THAT ANTENNA TO BE IN PLACE. GET THAT CRYSTAL BALL OUT HERE, I'M TELLING YOU. OKAY. UM, THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN THERE'S UPGRADES AND THEY MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S CHANGE OUT THIS FOREFOOT ANTENNA AND LET'S PUT A BETTER FORFEIT ANTENNA. SO THERE WILL BE TIMES, BUT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE'LL PUT THAT NEW FORFEIT ANTENNA OUT, SAME SIZE, AND WE'RE GONNA PAINT THAT NEW FORFEIT ANTENNA AS WELL BECAUSE THEY, VERIZON KNOWS THAT OUR APPROVAL WAS BASED ON THAT ANTENNA AND EVERYTHING UP THERE BEING PAINTED. SO THEY'LL, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO MATCH IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS OR COMMISSIONER MAZUA, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO, I THINK IT'S INNOCUOUS ENOUGH AS IT IS ON THE SIDE AND PAINTED FOR ME. AND, UM, I WOULD AGREE THAT, UM, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER ADD, UM, BECAUSE CORY EXPLAINED CLEARLY WHY STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING WHAT THEY WERE DOING. AND THEN I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT THE GENERALLY MADE EXPLAINING WHY DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND ALSO WITH PAINTING TO CAMOUFLAGE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. SO ADD BACK, BARBARA. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. IF YOU COULD GO TO, UH, PAGE 25. THE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S EITHER ELECTRIC PANELS OR SOME SORT OF EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE MOUNTED ON THE ROOF, 10 FOOT BACK. SO THAT'S THE, SO WHEN YOU HAVE SPEAKERS, YOU HAVE, CAN I TALK, THESE ARE LAYMAN'S TERMS, OKAY? MM-HMM. , YOU HAVE LIKE, SO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER, YOU HAVE AN AMPLIFIER. THERE'S THE QUOTE UNQUOTE AMPLIFIERS THAT MAKE THE SPEAKER WORK THAT'S NON-PENETRATING BALLAST THAT, SO THE ROOF, WE DON'T PUNCTURE THE ROOF AND THAT'S WHICH HAD A LASER POINTER. SO THE, RIGHT, THERE YOU GO. I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, HOW TALL IS THAT UNIT THAT'S SITTING ON THE ROOF? OH, THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S LIKE THIS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S, BUT THE REASON IT'S 10 FEET BACK MM-HMM. YOU WOULD, YOU'LL, YOU'LL NEVER SEE THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'LL BE LIKE, UH, IT'S LIKE THIS TALL. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S SMALLER THAN THE VENT PIPES THAT YOU'D NEVER SEE FOR THE BATHROOMS AND STUFF. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION, GETTING TO MY QUESTION IS, CAN THE ANTENNAS BE MOUNTED ADJACENT TO THAT AMPLIFIER? GREAT. 10 FOOT BACK FROM THE PARAPET? GREAT QUESTION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE RED AND GREEN? SO THAT'S WHY, SO THAT'S THE PENTHOUSE. OKAY, I'M GONNA SAY THIS RIGHT. IF THEY WOULDN'T WORK UP ON THE PENTHOUSE, THEY MOST ASSUREDLY WOULDN'T WORK THAT SEE THE PENTHOUSE IS EVEN HIGHER THAN THOSE LOW LOCATIONS. SEE THOSE ANTENNAS INTERNALLY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN INTERNAL ELECTRICAL DOWN TAIL. SORRY, YOU SEE THE MIC? THANKS. SORRY. THEY HAVE AN INTERNAL ELECTRICAL DOWN TILT AND SO THEY'RE NOT JUST SHOOTING OUT, THEY'RE SHOOTING KIND OF DOWN DOWN. OKAY. AND SO WHEN YOU, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO? YES. COMMISSIONER ILLA. UM, ACCEPT THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS TO PUT ON THE ROOF. OH, I'M SORRY. YOU DON'T WANT STAFF STIPULATIONS? NO. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, ACCEPT THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT ON THE BUILDING REPLACEMENT ON THE FACE OF THE ELEVATION AS SHOWN WITH STEALTH APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE THIS IS ABSENT. S AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ABSENT MA? AYE. CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT. CERVANTES? YES. BED SIR. AYE THE WITNESS IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UH, HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE APPLICANT FOR FOUR 19 MONUMENTAL. LEMME CHECK WHILE WE DO THAT, CAN WE GET, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18? YEAH, I HAVE THE APPLICANT'S FOR 18. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. AGENDA. AGENDA I AGENDA ITEM 18 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 [02:45:01] DASH 0 3 5. ADDRESS 5 0 6 DEARIN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT FOUR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE LAW ADDRESS 5 0 6 DEARIN. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES THREE, THREE STORY STRUCTURES AND ONE TWO STORY STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH M. THE APPLICANT SHOULD INCORPORATE THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES REVISED SITE CONFIGURATION AND BUILDING NUMBER THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND LOCK COVERAGE FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS NOTED IN FINDING DE AND K TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASES THE SETBACK OF THE FRONT UNIT TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS G AND J THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHT OF THE FRONT STRUCTURE TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES AS NOTED IN BINDING F FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHTS OF ALL THREE OF THE REAR STRUCTURES TO BE SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AS NOTED IN FINDING F FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN ACCURATE LINE OF SIGHT STUDY FROM BOTH STEER AND CEDAR THAT ILLUSTRATES THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES AND CONTEXT WITH THE SURROUNDING BLOCK SIX, THAT THE, THAT DETACHED GARAGES OR PARKING AREAS BE UTILIZED INSTEAD OF ATTACHED GARAGES AS NOTED IN FINDING L SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH OUR STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AS NOTED IN THE RECOMMENDATION EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE TO BE INTRODUCED BY THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS AND HARDSCAPING WHERE FEASIBLE NINE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THAT INCLUDES SETBACKS, DIMENSIONS, AND LOCATIONS OF PROPOSED HARDSCAPING AND THE LOCATIONS OF PLANTS. THE APPLICANT SHOULD INDICATE ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE SITE PLANS OR ELEVATIONS FOR THAT REVIEW. AND 10 THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ZONING SETBACKS, REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. AND UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE, THE OWNER IN PERSON, AND THERE ARE TWO LETTERS IN YOUR FOLDER. EMILY, ARE YOU THERE? YES. HI, SORRY, I'M HERE. I, UH, WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS MY TIME. OH, YES, TO SPEAK. CAN I GO AHEAD? YES, PLEASE. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH, SO FROM THE CONCEPTION OF THIS PROJECT, WE'VE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY WITH KING WILLIAM AND THEIR ARCHITECTURAL BOARD. AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THEIR LETTER, BUT THEY'RE FULLY IN SUPPORT, IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. UM, YOU'LL SEE THE KEY AREAS THAT THEY DISAGREE WITH O H P STAFF FINDINGS. UM, I DO WANT TO PREFACE, UM, THE DISCUSSION OF THIS LOT BY SAYING THIS IS A, THE AREA OF KING WILLIAM THAT IS BETWEEN ST. MARY'S, WHICH IS A VERY BUSY COMMERCIAL STREET. UM, THERE ARE, ON OUR SIDE OF THE BLOCK YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE SEVERAL, UM, UNDEVELOPED LOTS. AND THEN THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME. WE, UM, THE SETBACKS THAT WE HAVE USED ARE IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOME ON THIS BLOCK. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T AS A WHOLE MATCH KING WILLIAM, THEY DO MATCH WHAT IS EXISTING IN THIS AREA. UM, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE WE'RE ALSO A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGED OR A LITTLE BIT UNUSUAL BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS MASSIVE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, UM, JUST THREE BLOCK OR JUST THREE LOTS DOWN. UM, AS FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF, IT IS FOUR UNITS. THE FRONT HOUSE IS OWNER OCCUPIED. UM, BRIAN IS HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, THE ONLY THING, UM, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT KING WILLIAM PUT IT SUCCINCTLY AND REALLY WELL IN THEIR LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT. UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT IS KEY THAT THE GUIDELINES FOR KING WILLIAM OFTEN, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE WRITTEN FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THIS IS ZONED RMM FOUR. AND SO WHEN WE WERE, THAT'S WHY WE WERE, SO WE MET WITH KING WILLIAMS SO MUCH TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, ONE FOUR UNITS ON THIS LOT, THAT IT WAS WHAT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE IN THE AREA. AND SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN EVERY ONE OF OUR MEETINGS WITH THEM, UM, WAS THAT THEY BELIEVE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO REAL CORNERSTONE ON THIS LOT AND THIS BLOCK OF STEERING THAT THEY BELIEVE THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD SET THE STANDARD FOR WHAT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS LOOK LIKE IN THIS AREA. UM, AND I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT, UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE LARGER AND HAVE LARGER IMPERVIOUS, UM, LOT COVERAGES THAN US THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN KING WILLIAM. UM, GUIDE GUIDELINES ARE 50% IMPERVIOUS. WE ARE COMING IN RIGHT NOW AT JUST ABOUT 38%. OKAY. I, UM, IF BRIAN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD, IF NOT, I AM, I DO NOT KNOW HOW YOU ALL HAVE THIS STAMINA FOR THESE MEETINGS. I'VE BEEN WATCHING. WE'RE THREE AND A HALF HOURS IN AND I'M JUST VERY IMPRESSED. SO IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM. BRIAN IS HERE. UH, WE'RE HERE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HEAR YOUR CONCERNS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN WORK OUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO EMILY'S PRESENTATION? [02:50:04] UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. BOARD AND COMMISSIONERS AS WELL. AS EVERYONE PRESENT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND TO SAY TO ECHO WHAT EMILY SAID THAT I, WE WORKED, UH, SEVERAL, SEVERAL MONTHS WITH KING WAYNE ARCHITECTURAL ASSOCIATION TO TRY TO MEET ALL OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, ANSWER ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE. SO IT'S BEEN A VERY THOROUGH PROCESS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. UM, AND LIKE SHE SAID, AS FAR AS, UH, NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTIONS IN THE AREA, THERE'S NOT A LOT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR IT. SO WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO BE KIND OF A, A JUMPING OFF POINT AS WELL AS THE, UH, UH, SET THE STANDARD FOR WHAT'S TO COME, UH, IN THAT AREA OF KING WILLIAM. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I JUST, I WANNA REFLECT ON, YOU KNOW, HOW THE PREVIOUS CASE, YOU KNOW, IT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR HOW WE VIEW, UM, DENSITY OR LOT COVERAGE OR INTENSITY. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ANOTHER, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT, YOU KNOW, ALMOST COM COMMITS THE SAME CRIMES, RIGHT? UM, TO, TO ME IT'S EASIER TO TO TO VIEW A CASE LIKE THIS WHEN WE LOOK AT OTHER CASES AND, AND WE HAVE THE SAME, UM, SPIRIT OF INNOVATION AND DESIGN. BUT I, I, I CAN'T HELP BUT LOOK AT IT AND SEE THAT IT, THAT IF THE OTHER ONE WAS BAD, THIS ONE'S WORSE. BUT I'LL, UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS WELL. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE DO, I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE INTERRUPTED EARLIER. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CITIZENS I DIDN'T SPEAK. OH YES, PLEASE. UM, SO THE FIRST IS MARK HOGENSON. GOOD AFTERNOON OR EVENING, I GUESS. NOW I'M MARK HOGANSON. UM, I LIVE AND OWN THE HOUSE ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY. UH, LITTLE FACADE OF THE SINGLE STORY HOUSE. THAT'S MINE THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, ONE THING THAT THIS OVERVIEW DOES NOT SHOW IS THAT THERE IS A FENCE NOW ESSENTIALLY CUTTING OFF A THIRD OF THAT OPEN, UH, AREA THERE. SO IT LOOKS BIGGER THAN IT ACTUALLY IS. IT'S ONLY 70 FEET. UM, AND I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT IT'S STILL TWO LOTS, CORRECT. SO IT'LL BE, NEED TO BE REPLANTED. UM, THE LOTS ARE 35 FEET ACROSS THE FRONT, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN, UH, THE STANDARD IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THEY'RE LONG, DEEP LOTS. UM, SO THE PROPOSAL LOOKS AS THOUGH, UM, IT'S ALL GOING TO BE LINED UP ALONG ONE WAY. UM, AS YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE KING WILLIAM AREA THAT'S SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH AND EVOLUTION IN THE LAST DECADE OR SO. I'VE BEEN IN THIS HOUSE FOR 19 YEARS NOW, SO I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AND, UH, LOTS OF NEW RESTAURANTS, UM, BARS, UM, A THRIVING ART SCENE THAT, UH, BRINGS A LOT OF PEOPLE INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND WE HAVE PARKING ALL THE WAY PEOPLE PARK ON THE STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR HOUSE AT STEERING AND CEDAR FROM SOUTH ALAMO. IT'S ONLY TWO BLOCKS, BUT THEY'RE LONG BLOCKS. SO, UM, THE CITY HAS MANDATED AND IMPLEMENTED A PARKING RESTRICTION. SO ON FRIDAYS, FIRST FRIDAYS OF THE MONTH, YOU CAN ONLY PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, UM, LITTER, VANDALISM, UM, ACTUAL COUPLE MUGGINGS. THESE SORTS OF THINGS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING. BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE PARKING AND THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE PARKING HERE IS ALL GONNA BE DOWN THE WESTERN SIDE TOWARDS, UH, WOULD DUE TO THE RIGHT OF THE PROPOSED, UM, HOUSING. AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY ACCURATELY SHOW EITHER BECAUSE THAT, UM, DRIVEWAY AS YOU SEE IN THE OVERHEAD VIEW, UM, DOESN'T REALLY SHOW UP IN THE ELEVATION. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT'S ALL BEEN COMING DOWN THAT WEST SIDE NEXT TO OUR HOUSE AND THERE'S NO MENTION OF ANY SORT OF BARRIER OR ANYTHING. SO EVERY CAR THAT LIVES THERE, WHICH WILL BE ONE FOR ONE PARKING SPOT FOR THREE BEDROOMS, TIMES FOUR, IN OTHER WORDS, EACH ONE OF THE UNITS ARE THREE BEDROOMS, I BELIEVE TWO BEDROOMS IN THE FOURTH UNITS, TWO BEDROOMS. SO ONE PARKING SPOT FOR EACH OF THOSE PLACES THAT STREET FILLS [02:55:01] UP AROUND THE CORNER IS, UH, THE GOOD KIND A RESTAURANT. AND, UH, WELL THERE'S PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN RESTAURANTS WITHIN A TWO OR THREE BLOCK AREA, UM, AS WELL AS THREE OR FOUR NEW RESTAURANTS THAT ARE JUST HAVE NOT OPENED YET AND THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO WE HAVE A MAJOR CONCERN ABOUT THE FILLING UP WITH CARS ON A REGULAR BASIS. UM, WE'RE IN, UH, WE CONCUR WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED BY STAFF. WE THINK, UH, THE IDEA OF SETBACK, UH, THE SETBACK IS AN UNUSUAL SORT OF CASE IN MY HOUSE IN THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT AND PLANTED THERE AND IT'S, UH, THE SIDEWALK IS FIVE FEET FROM THE, THE HOUSE. SO IF THEY'RE USING THAT AS AN IDEA FOR SETBACK, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ERRONEOUS. UH, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS MUCH MORE OF A NORMAL SITUATION. ALRIGHT, SIR, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WOULD, UH, WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS PLEASE. MY TIME'S UP. YES. IF THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS, I GUESS. YES, SIR. UM, THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. JAMES. DURER DUR. OH, UH, THANK YOU BOARD. I'VE BEEN ON SEVERAL BOARDS LIKE Y'ALL ARE, ARE NOW. AND I KNOW IT'S A THANKLESS JOB AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING IT. AND, UH, IT'S INTERESTING. MARK IS MY NEIGHBOR. HE LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. HE'S ON THE CORNER. I'M SECOND FROM THE CORNER. I LIVE ON CEDAR 4 0 7 CEDAR. AND HE PRETTY MUCH IS COMING UP THE SAME THING. I'M, I'M COMING UP 'CAUSE HE LIVES THERE. HE'S RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER. HE SEES ALL THAT. I'M STY, I'M ON CEDAR. I SEE IT WHENEVER I WALK TO DOGS, WHICH IS EVERY DAY, TWICE A DAY, MAYBE THREE TIMES A DAY. SO I SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION GREAT ASSOCIATION. UM, BUT IT ONLY ADDRESSES WHAT I SAW FROM THE LETTER. IT SAYS, QUOTE ONLY APPROVED THE DETAILS REGARDING WINDOWS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND LANDSCAPING. THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT DENSITY INTENSITY, THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE CHART, THE, YOU KNOW, FITTING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SIMILAR STRUCTURE WITH THIS TYPE OF DESIGN, BUT IT'S MORE RIGHT ON THE DRAG, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEAR THE DRAG FOR KING WILLIAM. SO IT'S MORE COMMERCIAL THAN RESIDENTIAL. IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MORE OF A INNER CITY TYPE. YOU'RE NOT A RESIDENTIAL LIKE OURS. UH, I DO RECOGNIZE, UM, YOU KNOW, MY, MY HOUSE ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE, UH, THE, UH, REFERENCES IN THE, IN THE, UH, PROJECT. AND I DO HAVE MORE THAN 50% DENSITY. UH, BUT I'M TWO HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND WE HAVE THE SAME FACADE FROM THE STREET. AND WE MADE SURE WE HAD ENOUGH PARKING WITHOUT PARKING ON THE STREET. UH, AND MY ARCHITECT AND I WORKED VERY CLOSELY. WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO WORK WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES TO, TO INVEST IN KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE WANT TO KEEP KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD THE SAME AS A REALTOR MYSELF, I DO WELCOME NEW CONSTRUCTION AND I APPLAUD THE DEVELOPER. UM, BUT THIS PROJECT, 5 0 6 TYRON IS JUST TOO HIGH INTENSITY OF STRUCTURES FOR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD. LOTS AND PRESENTS A GRAVE PUBLIC, UH, SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE OF INCREASED STREET PARKING. UH, THE FIRST THING IS THE, BECAUSE OF THE FOUR STRUCTURES, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE STRUCTURES WITH THREE, THREE STORIES AND THREE BEDROOMS. THERE'S TWO STRUCTURE, THERE'S ONE STRUCTURE WITH TWO STORIES AND TWO BEDROOMS. I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SO MANY PARKING. THERE'S NO WAY. I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE KING OF THE EAST QUINCY TOWN HOME ASSOCIATIONS AND OUR TOWN HOME. WE HAD DESIGNATED PARKING LOT AND WE STILL WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM WAS PARKING. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING IN THIS DESIGN. I, I RECOMMEND WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS, HAVING THE NEIGHBORHOODS WORK WITH THEM, AND CUT IT DOWN FROM, FROM FOUR STRUCTURES TO THREE STRUCTURES, AND PREFERABLY TWO STORY STRUCTURES, NOT THREE STORY STRUCTURES TO BLEND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE, THE BIG COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE, THE SHELTER FOR, FOR CHILDREN. AND THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED OR NOT HAVING THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO THAT. UM, UH, SO I WOULD HOPE THE DEVELOPER WOULD WORK WITH LOCAL RESIDENTS, ELIMINATE ONE STRUCTURE REDESIGN AND PUT THE PARKING IN THE BACK OF THE LOT SO THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING. UM, WITHOUT A DOUBT, DOUBT THE NEW RESIDENTS OF 5 0 6 STYRON WILL USE STREET PARKING. THEY'RE GONNA USE THE STREET PARKING, AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, GO WALK IT. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE STREET IS VERY SHORT. YOU GOT ST. MARY'S AND YOU GOT CEDAR. IT IS NOT A LONG STREET. SO THE TURN INS FROM ST. MARY'S AND THE TURN INS FROM CEDAR WILL BE VERY HAZARDOUS WHEN YOU HAVE STREET PARKING. SO IT'S NOT LIKE A LONG STREET. SO I APPRECIATE, UH, Y'ALL'S TIME AND I APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL DO. UM, AND, UH, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, A GOOD RESOLUTION WITH THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. [03:00:01] HA, HAS THIS GONE TO A D R C? YES, IT HAS. OKAY. WHO IS IN ATTENDANCE IN THAT? I KNOW OUR WAS COMMISSIONER CINA, I BELIEVE ONCE. YEP. THAT'S WHEN IT WENT. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU. I I THINK IN GENERAL, I, I SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS WITH THIS PROJECT AS I DID WITH THE, THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS REFERRING TO. I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S AN INTENSITY HERE ON THIS SITE, AND IN SOME CASES THIS IS WORSE BECAUSE WE ARE GOING UP TO THREE STORIES WITH THE UNITS. SO IT'S, IT'S, UM, IN THE STAFF FINDINGS, SAY YOU SAY IT'S PREDOMINANTLY ONE STORY. YES, THERE ARE A FEW TWO STORIES AROUND THERE, BUT THEY WOULD, UH, THEY'RE ENCOURAGING THAT THIS GO TO, UH, NO MORE THAN TWO STORIES OR, OR SOMEHOW FIND A WAY IN WHICH YOU CAN TUCK THAT THIRD STORY INTO SOME KIND OF, SORT OF TWO AND A HALF STORY, UH, ATTIC OVERRUN. SO I, I THINK THIS HAS, UH, THE SAME ISSUES AS THAT PREVIOUS PROJECT AND THAT MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR ME TO, TO SUPPORT IT. HAVING SAID THAT, THOUGH, I THINK THE QUALITY OF THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, OR AT LEAST THE, I SHOULD SAY THE DEGREE OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE ARCHITECTURE FOR A CONCEPTUAL PACKAGE IS FAR EXCEEDS WHAT WE SAW WITH THE PREVIOUS CASE. AND, UM, I, I, I, UH, COMMEND THE APPLICANT'S OF THEIR WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOKING AT PRECEDENTS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DEVELOP THE LANGUAGE OF THEIR, THEIR, UH, THEIR PROPOSAL, UH, HERE. SO I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT GOING, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. I THINK THOUGH THE GENERAL INTENSITY MASSING, UH, OF IT IS, IS TOO, TOO MUCH FOR THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU. UM, I DO HAVE, UH, SIMILAR SENTIMENTS. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS, UM, MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT WITHIN A STONE'S THROW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TWO STORY HOUSES THAT PROVIDE, UM, PRECEDENT AND SETTING AND APPROPRIATENESS. BUT I DO AGREE THAT, UM, BY PUTTING TOO MANY HOUSES OR SO MANY HOUSES, IT BEGINS TO REDUCE THE ABILITY TO TROUBLESHOOT, PROBLEM SOLVE, CHANGE DESIGN. IF SOMETHING'S NOT WORKING WITH THE PLAN OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, YOU'RE, YOU'VE REALLY UTILIZED EVERY BUILDABLE CUBIC FOOT AND ONE HAS VERY, VERY LITTLE ROOM TO MANEUVER, TO TROUBLESHOOT. SO IT'S ALMOST, UH, YOU'RE NOT DOING YOURSELF A FAVOR BY, UM, PLANNING THAT WAY. UM, AND I KNOW PARKING IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT THERE ARE NOTES FROM STAFF THAT THE PARKING IS INTEGRATED INTO THAT OPEN PORCH AREA. AND, UM, UH, IT'S, UH, I THINK PARKING IS A REAL, IS A REALITY, IS AN ISSUE. AS MUCH AS WE'D LIKE TO BE A CARLESS OR CAR-FREE SOCIETY OR A COMMUNITY, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT HAPPENING NEARLY AS QUICKLY OR IN A WAY THAT WE WANT IT TO. SO WE DO HAVE TO MAKE FUNCTIONAL ACCOMMODATIONS. SO, UM, I, I AGREE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH DENSITY AND INTENSITY AS WELL. THANK YOU. YES. I WOULD ECHO THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT THE DENSITY INTENSITY, THE, THE CONCERN FOR PARKING, UM, AND SIMILAR CONCERNS AS, UH, WHAT WAS STATED IN THE, THE NORTH CHERRY PROJECT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF BUILT STRUCTURES ON A PARTICULAR LOT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIR? I, I WOULD, UM, JUST TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOMMEND TO THE APPLICANT THAT YOU PULL THE CASE, DON'T GET A NO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND TAKE THE COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, AND YEAH, IT'S MORE BETTER TO YOUR BENEFIT, I THINK, SIR. RIGHT. AND I APPRECIATE SAYING THAT INTO THE MICROPHONE, . ABSOLUTELY. SURE. I'LL WITHDRAW AND TAKE THE CONSIDERATIONS AND COME BACK TO Y'ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND REACH OUT TO STAFF, UH, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER, UH, D R C MEETING. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REAL QUICK ON THAT TOO, JUST, JUST REMEMBER THAT ON THE, ON THE LAST PROJECT, THERE [03:05:01] WERE A LOT OF CALL-INS ON THAT ONE PROJECT WHERE PEOPLE WERE THE SIDEWALK PROJECT, THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE MM-HMM. , THE COMMUNITY WEIGHS HEAVY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, RIGHT? THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE SAY ABSOLUTELY. YOU ONLY HAVE ONE NEIGHBOR ON THAT STREET, BUT IT, IT CARRIES WEIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. RIGHT. I WILL, I'M GONNA CALL FOR A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. YES. UM, ONTO THE NEXT CASE. DO WE HAVE FOUR 19 MONUMENTAL YET? NO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET ONE. OKAY. LET'S GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2021 DASH 5 7 5 4 17 EAST LOCUST. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY 1,440 SQUARE FOOT DUPLEX STRUCTURE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN UPDATED SOUTH REAR ELEVATION TO FEATURE WINDOW OPENINGS WITH TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDING I TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING K THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE FRONT PORCH TRIM AND COLUMNS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDING L AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOWING ANY PROPOSED LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING O AND THE APPLICANT. GENEVIEVE LIVINGSTON IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. HI, THANK YOU ALL FOR MEETING WITH ME. UM, SO WE'VE MET WITH THE D R C A FEW TIMES AND WE ALSO MET WITH THE TOKEN HILL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS. SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN ADJUSTED SEVERAL TIMES, TIMES, UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRY WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A NEW STRUCTURE IN THE REAR OF AN EXISTING, UM, UH, HISTORIC HOUSE AT THE FRONT FACING LOCUST. UM, AND CURRENTLY, UM, IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S AN EXISTING ALLEYWAY THAT'S, UM, HAS, IT'S A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, UM, AND JUST IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORING, UM, HOUSES NEXT DOOR AS FAR AS LIKE SIZE, AS FAR AS UM, WHAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DUPLEX THAT'S GOING ON. UM, AND SO WHAT WE DID, WE REALLY LOOKED AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UM, CREATE SOMETHING THAT FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AS FAR AS SCALE MASKING, UM, WINDOWS, UM, AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND SO, UM, WHAT WE WERE FOCUSING ON WAS, YOU KNOW, MAINLY HAVING A REAR, UH, MAKING IT, MAKING THE REAR OF THE BUILDING LOOK LIKE THE ENTRANCE, UM, OF THE HOME. AND SO, UM, IT JUST, INSTEAD OF JUST KIND OF GIVING THE BACK TO THE ALLEY. UM, AND SO, UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE ADJUSTED, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THAT SLIDE THERE ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT, THERE'S AN EXISTING TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON THE RIGHT. THERE'S AN EXISTING, UM, TWO STR, TWO STORY STRUCTURE AS WELL. UM, AND BOTH OF THESE ARE TOWARD THE REAR OF, OF, OF THE, UH, HOMES AT THE FRONT FACING EAST LOCUST. UM, AND SO I KNOW SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT, UM, WERE ADDING A LOT MORE WINDOWS, UM, YOU KNOW, MODIFYING THE ROOF LINE, UM, FROM WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY HAD, WE HAD A REALLY TALL, UM, ELEVATION AND A REALLY HIGH PITCHED ROOF. AND SINCE THEN WE'VE MODIFIED, UM, THE MASSING AND, UM, AND YEAH, WE FEEL LIKE, WE FEEL LIKE WE, UM, HAVE MET KIND OF LIKE THE REQUIREMENTS AND FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN. AND SO, UM, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD OR LETTERS? WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL THAT I'LL PLAY OUT. MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER, SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET, SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 1 2. WE ARE CONCERNED WITH ITEM NUMBER 24 17 EAST LOCUST. WE HAVE MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UH, WHO SHOWED US DRAWINGS OF THE PROPOSED DUPLEX. HOWEVER, THE BUILDING APPEARS MORE MASSIVE THAN WHAT WE WERE SHOWN. THE SOUTH ELEVATION IN PARTICULAR HAS A BLANK LOOK, AND THE SECOND FLOOR OVERHANG ON THAT SIDE LOOKS OUT OF PLACE WITH NO SU SUPPORTING POSTS OR DIFFERENCE IN CLADDING. WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF. TIONS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, MS. LIVINGSTON. [03:10:01] UM, LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A DRIVE COMING OFF THE ALLEY THAT IS ONLY 12 FEET DEEP AND WONDERING HOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET A VEHICLE PARKING THERE WITHOUT STICKING OUT INTO THE ALLEY. SO, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MODIFIED, UM, BASED ON ONE OF THE, UM, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE D R C THAT THEY WANTED US TO BE IN LINE WITH THE NEIGHBORING, UM, STRUCTURES. AND SO WHAT WE NOTICED, UM, AT THE, UM, STRUCTURE ONTO THE RIGHT OF US, THE WAY THEY, SO IT'S 20 FEET, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE KIND OF STICKING WITH FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE, SO THAT WAY WE WOULD FIT A PARKING, UH, A CAR THERE. UM, AND WHAT WE NOTICED WAS THAT THEY USED THE RIGHT OF WAY AS PART OF THEIR PARKING. AND SO THEY HAD PARKED, UM, IN THAT SPACE WHERE ORIGINALLY WE WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT 20 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE, TO THE PORCH, THE THREE FOOT PORCH AT THE FRONT OF THE, THE, THE DOORWAY. UM, AND SO THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ADJUSTED. UM, WE HAD INTENDED TO PUSH IN PUSHING IT BACK, AND SO IT WOULD KIND OF OFFSET AND NOT BE LINED UP WITH THAT STRUCTURE. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY, WHY IT'S THERE NOW. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE, THE NEIGHBORING, UH, PARKING, THE WAY THEY DID IT, THERE'S ABOUT, I BELIEVE, UM, UH, LET'S SEE, LIKE SIX FEET I BELIEVE OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY PARK IN. AND SO THEN THERE WAS LIKE A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY BEHIND THAT. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE ADJUSTED IT TO KIND OF MIMIC WHAT THEY WERE DOING. UM, BUT WE HAVE THE ROOM ON OUR SITE TO PUSH IT FURTHER BACK TO COMPLY WITH A STANDARD PARKING. IT WOULD JUST NOT BE IN LINE WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORING. I BELIEVE THERE'S A, UM, A DIAGRAM ON, ON ONE OF THE, THE FLOOR PLANS KIND OF SHOWING WHERE THEY LINE UP, UM, AT THE REAR, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S TWO, UM, 2 0 2, I THINK IT'S ONE RIGHT BELOW THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. THERE IT IS THOUGH IN THERE. SO, UM, JUST SHOWING ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE, UM, ON THIS PLAN HERE, UM, THE ONE TOWARD THE LEFT IS THE ONE I'M REFERRING TO. UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY PULLED, UH, 20 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, AND NOT NECESSARILY IN THE STREET OF VALLEY. UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE, UM, MIMICKING TO CONFORM WITH THAT. SO YOU'RE 20 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE ALLEY, NOT THE CENTER OF THE ALLEY, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? UM, YES. YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. UM, MS. LIVINGSTON, UM, YOU'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK AND A NUMBER OF MODIFICATIONS TO ADDRESS D R C AND STAFF CONCERNS. DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY STAFF? ARE YOU GOOD WITH THEM? UM, I'M GOOD WITH THE COMMENTS. UM, YEAH, I'M GOOD. I READ, I THREAD THROUGH THEM AND I'M GOOD WITH THE COMMENTS. I KNOW WE HAVE TO, UM, GIVE YOU GUYS, UM, MATERIAL SELECTIONS AND JUST A, A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ONCE, ONCE WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT, UM, I AGREE WITH THEM. AND GENEVIEVE, TO CLARIFY, THERE IS A STIPULATION THAT THE, UM, SMALLER WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION ARE UPDATED TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS. DO YOU ALSO CONSENT TO THAT STIPULATION? UM, I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ONE. 'CAUSE WHERE THOSE WINDOWS ARE, THOSE ARE RESTROOMS, UM, AND WE CAN MODIFY THEM. I JUST WOULD HAVE TO GET WITH YOU GUYS ON, UM, IF THERE'S AN OPTION OF MAKING THEM OPAQUE AND NOT, UM, GLASS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY ARE IN THE SHOWER. UM, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY TO THE, THE WINDOWS IN THE, IN THE, UH, SHOWER OR IN THE TUBS, WE'VE, WE, WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME AND, AND ONE SOLUTION, ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION IS WHERE YOU START BREAKING IT UP WHERE INSTEAD OF HAVING LONG HORIZONTAL WINDOWS, YOU START GANGING TOGETHER SMALLER WINDOWS THAT ARE CLOSER TO PROPORTIONS THAT YOU SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, I, I SHARE THE, UH, MS. KUSHNER'S COMMENTS, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT SORT OF THE RESULTING MASSING, UH, FEELING, [03:15:01] UH, A LITTLE INTENSE HERE. BUT, UM, KNOWING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HAVING DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THERE, THERE ARE SOME PRETTY SIZABLE DUPLEXES AND, AND STRUCTURES THERE. I, PART OF ME WISHES THAT THIS WAS SIMPLY ONE MORE UNIT BEHIND RATHER THAN TRYING TO PUT TWO, UH, JUST TO REDUCE SOME OF THAT MASSIVENESS. UH, BUT IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I FEEL THE CHARACTER OF, OF, UM, OF TOBIN HILL BEING EXPRESSED, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY FATEFULLY. UM, SO I, I WOULD SUPPORT THE PROJECT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I, ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH. I INVITE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO, TO MAKE COMMENTS. YOU, MR. CHAIR. MY, MY ONLY, UM, HESITATION TO ANY, ANYTHING ON IT IS I'M NOT ACCUSTOMED TO, UM, UNDERSTANDING, UH, DESIGN RIGHTS OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE. I THINK WE HAD ANOTHER CASE SOMETIME BACK AND THEY HAD TO MOVE THE BUILDINGS SO THAT THE 20 FEET FOR THE VEHICLE, UM, WAS ON THE INSIDE OF THE, OF THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT, LIKE IN THE PICTURE THAT I'M LOOKING AT, WHICH IS THE, THE REAR AND VIEW NEIGHBOR'S BUILDING, I SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND, BUT I, AND, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT PERSON POURED CONCRETE OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE ALMOST AS IF IT'S AN APPROACH. IT APPEARS. I JUST, I DON'T, I JUST PERSONALLY DON'T, I, I DON'T HAVE A, A CONSCIENCE TO GO BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE NO. AND APPROVE SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW IF THE MIC WAS ON OR NOT. UH, MR. CHAIR, MAY WE, UM, YES. ENTERTAIN A, AN ADDITIONAL OR TO AMEND THE STIPULATIONS TO REQUIRE THAT THE BUILDING ACCOMMODATE U D C REQUIREMENT OF 20 FEET FOR PARKING. IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING YOU COULD PUT INTO A, UH, MOTION. MIGHT I SUGGEST JUST SIMPLY SAYING THAT IT MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACKS PER THE U D C, AND THEN WE'RE NOT GIVING IT A NUMBER. UM, AND THEN WHATEVER IT IS WILL BE OKAY. MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION AND I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT THE, THE FINAL DESIGN MEET ALL U D C SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. ABSENT SS AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. LES ABSENT MA? AYE. CARPENTER AYE. GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTES? YES BET SIR. AYE. AND THE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 21. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022, UH, 82 1 15 WEST MAGNOLIA. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT, A SECOND STORY ADDITION ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, AND THEN TWO, INSTALL TWO SKYLIGHTS ON THE EAST SIDE ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING ROOF. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE, THAT COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT TO BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE H D R C TWO, UH, IS IN REGARDS TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS, UH, AND THAT FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF. AND THEN THREE, UM, THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF MATCHED THE EXISTING PANEL WIDTH, SAME HEIGHT RIDGE DETAILS SHOULD BE MATCHED, UM, AND MATCHING THE COLOR RED IS APPROPRIATE, AND FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED GABLE RE GABLE RETURNS BE REMOVED. UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF THE SKYLIGHT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE INSTALLATION OF SKYLIGHTS, UM, ON THE PRIMARY ROOF SLOPE BASED ON FINDING H STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED SKYLIGHTS BE SHIFTED TO THE REAR TO BE LOCATED ON THE ADDITIONS ROOF SLOPE. UH, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. JEFFREY TOM HERE WITH US VIRTUALLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU EDWARD FOR TALKING TO ME AND WORKING WITH ME ON THIS. UH, WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE STIPULATIONS [03:20:01] ON THE SECOND STORE EDITION, PART ONE ON PART TWO. WE DISAGREE. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE ROOF SLOPE IS A PRIMARY ROOF SLOPE. I ALSO DON'T THINK IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. I, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO SEE IT FROM THE STREET. UH, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TOP PITCH OF THE ROOF, SO YOU CERTAINLY COULDN'T SEE IT LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT ANGLE. UH, IF YOU WENT, UH, DOWN THE STREET, YEAH, RIGHT THERE. SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE AREA THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED ABOUT. I GUESS IT'S ROUGHLY MIDWAY, IT'S BEHIND THE FRONT FACING SLOPE. UH, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT'S THE PRIMARY SIDE OF THE HOUSE. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE IS A, UH, MULTI-FAMILY UNIT THAT'S VERY TALL, THAT HAS EIGHTIES AIR SKYLIGHTS, WHICH I ALSO AM NOT A PROPONENT OF. UH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, IT MEETS THE, THE CRITERIA TO BE EXCLUDED, UH, UNDER THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL LIVE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION. UH, MY WIFE WILL CERTAINLY BE DEVASTATED IF THE SKYLIGHTS AREN'T APPROVED. UH, BUT, BUT WE, WE REQUESTED IT BE APPROVED AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS. THANK YOU. UM, NOT TO DESIGN ON THE FLY HERE, BUT WOULD A DORMER TO PROVIDE SOME LIGHT INTO THAT, UH, UPPER STORY SPACE, UH, BE A POSSIBILITY INSTEAD OF SKYLIGHTS? YEAH, AND THAT'S A GREAT QUE QUESTION. SO THE, UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DRAWING THAT INCLUDES A DORMER EXTRUDING OUT THAT SIDE AS WELL. IF YOU NOTICE THERE'S AN EXISTING DORMER. AND SO IT ENDS UP KIND OF TACKING ON TOP OF THE EXISTING DORMER. AND, AND LIKE I DISCUSSED BEFORE, I, I, NOW, I SERIOUSLY REGRET NOT PROVIDING PICTURES OF THE, OF THE HOUSE NEXT TO US ON THAT SIDE. UH, BUT IT IS A, UH, WE'LL CALL IT AN UNUP UPDATED MULTIFAMILY UNIT, UH, THAT'S OWNED BY A, UM, AN ENTITY THAT, THAT HAS NOT APPROVED FOR ANY SORT OF HISTORICAL, UM, WE'LL CALL 'EM UPGRADES. I DON'T KNOW. UH, AND SO I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S NOT REALLY A VIABLE OPTION BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING DORMER AND BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S PROTRUDING OUT INTO A MULTIFAMILY UNIT. THAT'S, UM, I DON'T THINK MY WIFE WANTS TO STARE AT IT. UM, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS MORE JUST A, A COMMENT NOT GUIDED BY THE GUIDELINES AT ALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, SKYLIGHTS CAN BE A REAL NIGHTMARE FROM A WATERPROOFING STANDPOINT IN THE LONG RUN. AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE DOING THAT TO TRY TO GET SOME NATURAL LIGHT INTO THAT UPPER AREA. UM, BUT IT, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T ADVISE DOING IT IF, IF, UH, I WERE THEIR ARCHITECT. BUT, UH, OTHERWISE IF THE APPLICANT IS, IS, UM, ACCEPTING OF THE FIRST ITEM, UH, WHICH I THINK IS KINDA THE MORE SUBSTANTIVE ONE, UM, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE. I, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, DO WE NEED TO SPECIFICALLY DENY THE SKYLIGHTS IN THE MOTION? WE'LL WITHDRAW IT. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. THIS'S, ABSENCE OF NO SINA AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. GABRIELLA ABSENT MA? AYE CARPENTER. AYE GROUP IS ABSENT. CERVANTES? YES. ZER AYE. AND THE PHONE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK Y'ALL. AGENDA ITEM. EXCUSE ME. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 92 1 15 QUEENS COURT. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS AND TWO TO REPLACE THE EXISTING TILED SIDING WITH NEW LAP SIDING. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL WINDOWS ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND THAT WINDOWS FEATURE A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE WE'RE REPLACING SASH WINDOWS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, SIDING REPLACEMENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED THAT AN ORIGINAL SIDING PROFILE [03:25:01] IS NOT FOUND UNDER THE TILED SIDING. INFORMATION CONFIRMING NO ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING PROFILE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A AND THE APPLICANT. UH, MS. ANGELA BLAKE IS HERE, UH, WITH US VIRTUALLY. MS. BLAKE, ARE YOU THERE? YES. PERFECT. YES, YOU MAY PROCEED PLEASE. UH, SO WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, UH, WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND WOULD REQUEST APPROVAL. UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE DOING THE SECOND HALF OF OUR HOUSE WITH NEW SITING. THE FIRST HALF HAS BEEN DONE, UH, AND WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING BUT A SHIPLAP UNDER THE OLD SIDING. UNDER THE SIDING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. A SECOND. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. VICIOUS ABSENT SINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. LES ABSENT MASUKA. AYE. CARPENTER AYE. GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTE? YES. ZER. AYE. LU IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU MS. BLAKE. MR. CHAIR, I WANNA ASK STAFF A QUESTION REAL QUICK. UH, EDWARD, THE, THE CASEMENT WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE YES. ARE, I KNOW THEIR CHARACTERISTIC WHEN YOU HAVE AS VISTA SIDING SOMETIMES YOU SEE THOSE CASEMENT WINDOWS. WHAT, WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL THERE? IS IT THE WOOD WINDOWS OR THE CASEMENT WINDOWS? THE CASEMENT. UM, THE EXISTING CASEMENT WINDOWS WERE DETERIORATED. UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED TO REPLACE THOSE WITH A WOOD CASEMENT, UH, TO MATCH THE PROFILE. THEY WOULD'VE BEEN ORIGINAL THERE. THOSE CASE, THE CASEMENT PROFILE? YES. INTERESTING. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 87, UH, 100 TAYLOR STREET. UH, THIS IS ALSO ADDRESSED AS 3 0 1 BROADWAY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL UTILITY GENERATORS AND TRANSFORMERS IN, IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER. TWO, TO ENCLOSE THE EXISTING BREEZEWAYS. THREE TO MODIFY THE STREET LEVEL STOREFRONT ON THE EAST FACADE IN ONE STOREFRONT BAY BY REMOVING THE EXISTING ENTRANCE AND STONE FACADE. FOUR TO APPLY BLACKOUT FILM TO THE EXISTING STOREFRONT GLAZING. AND FIVE TO INSTALL A NEW FENCE AROUND THE UTILITY POWER AREA AT THE REAR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF REAR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED BY FENCING NOT TO EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE ENCLOSURE OF THE EXISTING BREEZEWAY IS NOTED IN FINDING. C. STAFF RECOMMENDS THESE BREEZEWAYS REMAIN, REMAIN OPEN AND UNALTERED. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, MODIFICATIONS TO ONE STOREFRONT BAY ITS ENTRANCE AND STONE FACADE BASED ON FINDING D STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THE INSTALLATION OF BLACKOUT WINDOW 10 IS NOTED IN FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF REAR FENCING BASED ON FINDING F. WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL FENCING DOES NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED. IF EXCAVATIONS ARE NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT, PLEASE COORDINATE WITH THE CITY ARCHEOLOGISTS. THIS PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. AND THE APPLICANT, UH, PAULA PRICE IS HERE VIRTUALLY YES, MS. PRICE, YOU MAY TO PROCEED. HI. UM, SO WE WANTED TO OFFER UP AN ALTERNATIVE FOR, UM, THE SCREENING IN OF THE OPEN AREAS. IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT OUR ELEVATION THERE, IT WOULD BE THE COLUMN LINE. UM, GO. YEAH, IF YOU GO TO A 3 1 2, IT'S EASIER TO SEE IT ON THAT SIDE 'CAUSE THIS WOULD BE THE, UH, STREET FACING SIDE. SO COLUMN BETWEEN COLUMN FOUR AND COLUMN SEVEN ARE WHERE THE, UM, SCREENED OFF WINDOWS WOULD BE. AND BEHIND THERE IS A SECURE DATA CENTER FACILITY. IT PROPOSED. UM, CURRENTLY THAT SPACE IS AN OPEN BREEZEWAY WHERE, UH, IT WAS A BUS DEPOT AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, I DON'T KNOW, NOT ATTRACTIVE . AND IT'S ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF A, I WOULD SAY, A HAZARD FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE AND OTHERS TO GATHER. SO ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT THE OWNER HAD, UM, WAS PERHAPS ALLOWING [03:30:01] THE CLOSING IN OF THE SPACE, BUT MAYBE CREATING, UM, AN OPEN, LIKE THE OPENING FOR, WE SHOW THE GLAZING, UH, NOT TO BE SCREENED, BUT RATHER TO BE MORE OF A, UM, MAYBE WE COULD DO LIKE A LOCAL ARTIST DISPLAY AREA OR IT COULD BE A COMMISSION MURAL OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD ENHANCE THAT STREET VIEW OF THE BUILDING. IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CHANGED OUT PERIODICALLY OR, UM, IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS JUST, UM, COMMISSIONED AND THEN CLOSED IN. BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD REFLECT, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE LOCAL FLAVOR, UH, WITH A LOCAL ARTIST. SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MORE, UM, FITTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN DARK WINDOWS. UM, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEHIND THERE, THE CLIENT WOULD WANT US TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SECURE, BUT YET ALLOW SOME KIND OF FREEDOM FOR EXPRESSION THERE INSTEAD OF, UM, JUST WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE NOW, WHICH IS NOT PARTICULARLY LOVELY EITHER. SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT AS FOR CONSIDERATION AND WE CAN RESUBMIT WITH A DIFFERENT IDEA. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO. OKAY. UM, WOULD YOU, UM, MS. PRICE, WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO MEET WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT YOUR, YOUR VERBAL PROPOSAL AND DISCUSS POSSIBLY OTHER OPTIONS FOR, UM, KEEPING THE APPEARANCE OF THAT BREEZEWAY? UM, WE COULD, YEAH, WE COULD DEFINITELY MEET WITH THEM AND, AND DISCUSS OTHER OPTIONS. I DO KNOW THAT THE CLIENT DOES WANT TO INFILL THAT WITH, UM, DATA CENTER SPACE. SO JUST TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I DON'T WANNA WASTE ANYONE'S TIME EITHER. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. UM, TO THE APPLICANT, IS THE BREEZEWAY, UM, HISTORIC TO THE BUILDING OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT OCCURRED AT THE TIME OF, UM, THE BUS STATION BECOMING A BUS STATION TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? TO MY, I I HONESTLY DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. OKAY. UM, CERTAINLY BE HAPPY TO, UH, SEE IF I COULD FIND OUT ADDITIONAL, I THINK STAFF HAS AN ANSWER. I COULD, I'D READ, READ A FINDING REAL QUICK. THAT MAY HAVE HELP A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO FINDING A, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 100 TAYLOR'S A THREE-STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE FEATURING BRICK FACADES, LARGE WIND WINDOWS, AND DENTAL ACCENTS. PROPERTY FEATURES A LARGE BRICK STRUCTURE FIRST IDENTIFIED ON THE 1904 SANBORN MAP. THE PROPERTY WAS FORMALLY KNOWN AS THE, UH, WINERY BUILDING, WHICH HOUSED AN AUTO SALES AND SERVICING COMPANY. THE STRUCTURE MAINTAINS ITS DEFINING ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS TO INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL FACADES AND OPEN CAR ACCESSIBLE BREEZEWAYS ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHICH CONNECTED BROADWAY TO THE REAR LOT. THE STRUCTURE AND CONNECTED REAR LOT, LOT ACTED AS A REPAIR SHOP AS INDICATED ON THE 1951 SANDBORN MAP AND ARE PHOTOGRAPHED AS EARLY AS THE 1920S ORIGINALLY FEATURING A STUDEBAKER AUTO BRAND ROOFTOP SIGN. HISTORICALLY, THE STREETS OF HESSLER ALLEY AND BROADWAY SERVICE IN NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING RESPECTIVELY. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE, UM, A PHOTO THAT WAS MENTIONED, UM, IN THE EXHIBITS. UH, BUT UH, IT, IT IS BELIEVED THAT THE BREEZEWAYS BREEZEWAY, UM, BOTH OF THEM WERE, UH, USED HISTORICALLY ON THE SIDE. IT, IT MAKES SENSE, EDWARD, BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE OF THE LITTLE DOOR AND THE MASONRY WALL WALL, UM, BECAUSE THE, THE, JUST, JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT FOR THE APPLICANT BECAUSE COMING BACK, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS A IS, IS PROBLEMATIC IN THE CLOSING OF IT, IS THAT THERE ARE THOSE MAJOR APPROACHES, RIGHT? SO LIKE IT'S A VERY RARE AMENITY, RIGHT? FOR A BUILDING TO HAVE SUCH A WIDE APPROACH, UM, FOR, UM, LIKE IF YOU CLOSE IT, THAT APPROACH IS STILL THERE AND THERE'S STILL THE KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLENESS THAT IT CREATES. UM, BUT, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT, THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN, IN, UM, ALTERING SOMETHING THAT IS SOLVING A PROBLEM, A, A PROBLEM SEPARATE OF THE BUILDING IS PERHAPS, UM, A SCREENING OF SOME TYPE THAT DOESN'T ALTER THE BUILDING THAT IS REMOVABLE. THAT, THAT IN THE CASE OF THE FUTURE, THAT IT, IT'S REVERSIBLE, RIGHT? [03:35:01] BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE, THE MODERN MO METAL SCREENING, THE L E D LIT BEHIND AND IT BECOMES AN AMENITY AND IT GIVES YOU THE PROTECTION THAT YOU WANT, BUT MOST DEFINITELY DOESN'T CONNECT TO THE BUILDING. BUT OVERALL, THE APPROACH REALLY, REALLY TO ME SEEMS TO BE THE, THE MOST MAJOR OF THE PROBLEMS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CHANGED THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ALTERATIONS TO IT THAT, THAT KIND OF SPONSOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THAT IF IT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT BEING USED FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. IT BECOMES UNUSABLE, RIGHT? SO WELL, AND THE BACKYARD BECOMES A MECHANICAL YARD AND IT IS CURRENTLY HOUSING SOME MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BACK THERE FOR THE DATA CENTERS. MM-HMM. , I AND I, I UNDERSTAND, I I, UM, I I WOULD LIKE TO BE, UH, VISIT THAT D R C AS WELL. THANK YOU MA'AM. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER. YEAH. THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, UM, ON BOTH ALAMO AND BROADWAY IN THIS AREA THAT HAD THIS SORT OF ELEVATED, UH, APPROACH TO THEM WHERE THERE WERE OFFICES ABOVE AND THEY HAD AUTO, UH, REPAIR AREAS BELOW. AND SO THIS IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THOSE. UM, I, I LIKE THE, THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S REVERSIBLE, MAYBE TO PLAN ANOTHER SEAT. IS THERE A WAY IN YOUR INTERNAL PLANNING WHERE YOU FRONT A COUPLE OF OFFICES AT LEAST ONTO THE STREET THERE AND THEN BACK THAT UP WITH THE, THE WINDOWLESS, UM, YOU KNOW, SERVER, UH, SPACE THAT YOU, THAT YOU, UH, REQUIRE SO THAT AT LEAST THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS ANIMATED AND ACTIVATED WITH, UH, HUMAN BEINGS AT THE STREET LEVEL. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S A, UH, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME NATURAL LIGHT INTO A SPACE LIKE THAT. UM, MAYBE THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU COME TO THE D R C THAT PERHAPS INTERNAL PLANNING CONFIGURATION WOULD ACCOMMODATE A SPACE THAT HUMAN BEINGS WOULD WANT TO OCCUPY. YEAH, I'M JUST MAKING NOTES HERE ABOUT THAT. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS THE APPROACH INTO THERE. I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING SOMETHING THAT'S REVERSIBLE AND THIS WOULD NOT FOLLOW THAT LINE OF THOUGHT, BUT JUST KIND OF THROWING IT OUT THERE, UM, IF THE CURBS WERE CHANGED SHOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A SIDEWALK AND A THOROUGH A THOROUGHFARE INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE DRIVING INTO, WHICH ISN'T REALLY, I MEAN I'D BE SURPRISED IF, IF IT EVER REALLY GOT USED THAT WAY AGAIN, BUT JUST KINDA JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR CONTEMPLATION, I SUPPOSE. WELL, DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UH, DISCUSS AT THE D R C MR. CHAIRMAN, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION HERE. I WOULD MOVE, UH, TO REFER THE PROJECT TO A D R C. I'LL SECOND. I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. ABSENT SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. LES ABSENT MA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GR IS ABSENT. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. THE WITNESS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. UH, SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU, UH, MS. PRICE AND SCHEDULE THAT MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, AGENDA ITEM 24 HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. AGENDA ITEM 25 AND EDWARD, JUST GO AHEAD AND QUICKLY READ THAT INTO THE RECORD. UM, JUST FOR COMMISSIONER'S REFERENCE, WE ARE OUT OF APPLICANTS, SO NOBODY LEFT, VIRTUALLY NOBODY PRESENT. SO WE STILL HAVE ITEMS 18 THAT NEEDS ACTION. NO. NINE 18. UM, WELL AT NUMBER 16. 16, I'M SORRY, 16. AND THEN THIS ITEM THAT WE'LL LEAVE NOW. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER, UH, 25 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 17 5 27 HAYES, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, COVER THE EXISTING TAN BRICK WITH A WHITE LIME WASH. TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS AND THREE, ADD BLACK LOUVER SHUTTERS TO THE FRONT WINDOWS. UH, RECOMMENDATION STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, PAINTING OF THE LIME WASH BASED ON FINDING B STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WHITE VINYL WINDOWS AS NOTED IN FINDING C. AND STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF VITAL NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF WINDOW SHUTTERS BASED ON FINDING D UM, THERE IS, UM, A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, FROM NEIGHBORS IN THE DISTRICT. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M AN ABSOLUTE SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IN, IN LIEU OF THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE TO MAYBE ARGUE THEIR CASE, THIS BE POSTPONED TO THE NEXT H D R C HEARING. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE. I'LL SECOND IT AND I DO WANNA ASK STEPH A QUESTION, [03:40:01] EDWARD ON THE, THE WINDOW, UM, THEY DON'T REALLY MAKE A WINDOW LIKE THAT ANYMORE. AND THOSE HOUSES, THEY CAME WITH THOSE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. SO IS THE THINKING OF STAFF THAT A REPLACEMENT IS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW LIKE THAT? LIKE THEY MAKE AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT'S ALUMINUM COLORED, RIGHT? THAT IT'S NOT A SUPERIOR WINDOW BUT IT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE CONTEXT. POTENTIALLY SOME, I'LL TAKE IT EDWARD. UM, WE'VE HAD A FEW KIND OF MID-CENTURY CASES THAT HAVE COME THROUGH WHERE WE'VE ROUTINELY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF REPLACEMENT OF THOSE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ORIGINAL, THE QUALITY JUST ISN'T THERE. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A GOOD COMPARISON TO LIKE AN ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW AND THEY CAN'T BE REPAIRED EITHER, WHICH IS ALSO PROBLEMATIC FOR SOME OF THOSE OWNERS. SO WE HAVE RECOMMENDED, UM, A FEW THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED OVER TIME. THE CONCERN IS WITH THE ACTUAL PROPOSED REPLACEMENT FOR, FOR THIS ONE. OKAY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A NEW ALUMINUM NECESSARILY, BUT WE DO LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY THIN COMPONENTS. VERY THIN. YEAH. UM, AND USUALLY A DARK COLOR SO IT APPEARS MORE RECESSED. OKAY, I HEAR YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS? YES, WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND CHAIRMAN. UM, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OH, DO WE NEED TO ROLL CALL? I'M TRYING GET OUTTA HERE. GOOD. AYE THIS ABSENT ENO? AYE. QUEZ? AYE. OLA ABSENT MA? AYE CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTE YES, BE SIR. AYE THE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. WE NEED A SIMILAR MOTION FOR AGENDA ITEM 16. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT AGENDA. ITEM 16 BE, UH, POSTPONED TO THE NEXT H D R C HEARING. I SECOND, SECOND THE APPLICANT TO ARGUE THEIR CASE 26 IS POSTPONED. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR POSTPONING AGENDA ITEM 16, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, GIBBS. AYE THIS IS ABSENT. S AYE, VELAZQUEZ AYE. AYE. CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTE? YES THAT SIR. AYE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. MOTION TO ADJOURN MR. AND SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER AGENDA ITEMS, I ADJOURN THE MEETING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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