* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] YES, I'D LIKE TO [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 16TH, 2022. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. FISH HERE. SO THE SINO HERE, VELAZQUEZ HERE. S ABSENT. MCA IS RUNNING LATE. CARPENTER. HERE. GRO. HERE. ANTES HERE. ZER HERE. AND THE PHONE. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS THE CHAIRMAN STATEMENT. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UN CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH MASKS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING. IN PERSON APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. UM, YES, BEFORE WE DO GET STARTED, UM, LOOKING AT THE CASE LIST, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE UP ACTION [Approval of Minutes] ON, UH, MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 2ND. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 2ND AS SUBMITTED. I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. OLAS ABSENT. MASUKA RUNNING LATE CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES, THAT SIR. AYE. AND UNE AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, IF WE COULD TAKE A LIST AT THE CASE LIST. TAKE A LOOK AT THE CASE LIST ON THE SCREEN. UM, THERE'S A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, SO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALKS PROJECT, UH, FOR GREENLAWN, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT 2 39 GREENLAWN APPROXIMATELY HAS BEEN POSTPONED, WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, ANOTHER ITEM ON ITEM 19 21, 23 WEST SATCH WAS THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN ITEM, UH, WHICH IS, UH, THE ITEM FOR BRECKENRIDGE PARK. UM, THAT ITEM WILL NOT BE HEARD, CANNOT [00:05:01] BE HEARD UNTIL AFTER FOUR 30. UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FOR THAT ITEM, UM, AS WELL AS SOME IN-PERSON SPEAKERS THAT WILL BE ARRIVING AND SIGNING, SIGNING IN AS THEY ARRIVE. UM, IF YOU'RE WATCHING, UH, FOR THIS ITEM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SIGN IN FOR THIS ITEM UP UNTIL IT'S HEARD. SO THE CUTOFF IS NOT FOUR 30, UM, WHICHEVER IS LATER. SO IT'S GONNA BE FOUR 30 OR WHENEVER THE ITEM IS HEARD, IT WILL NOT BE SOONER THAN FOUR 30. AND THE SIGNUP LIST FOR THAT ITEM IS OUT IN THE FOYER. UM, SO NOW AT THIS TIME, [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] WE WILL GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PLAY VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR THOSE ITEMS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR THOSE ITEMS. SO, EDWARD, IF YOU JUST GO DOWN THE VOICEMAIL LIST, PLEASE. STARTING OFF VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM NUMBER 3 5 0 4 AUSTIN. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING TODAY ON BEHALF OF CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH SEVEN EIGHT, LOCATED AT 5 0 4 AUSTIN STREET, THE CITIZENS AND NEIGHBORS OF DIGNITY HILL SUPPORT O H P STIPULATIONS. BUT DUE TO THE FACT THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS A LONG HISTORY OF NOT FOLLOWING O H P GUIDELINES IS SPECIALLY STIPULATIONS PROVIDED. AFTER RECEIVING APPROVAL ON PROPOSED PLANS, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT O H P STAFF DILIGENTLY INSPECT ALL APPROVED WORK TO ENSURE THIS APPLICANT ADHERES TO ALL STIPULATIONS FROM THIS MEETING AND PREVIOUS MEETINGS. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 5 4 AUSTIN STREET. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO REMAINS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED THIRD STORY EDITION. PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THE DESIGN WERE STEPPED BACK SO AS NOT TO OVERWHELM THE ORIGINAL ONE STORY STRUCTURE. WHILE THE PROPOSED DESIGN ELIMINATES SOLID MASSES AT THE REAR OF THE ADDITION, THE DARK CANOPY STRUCTURE VISUALLY CREATES A SCALE THAT IS NO LONGER COMPATIBLE WITH HISTORIC PARTS OF THE STRUCTURE. THAT WAS ONCE SAMA BAKERY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT FOR ITEM NUMBER 8 21 27 WEST SUMMIT. YES, THIS IS FOR CASE NUMBER, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. THE ADDRESS 2 1 2 7 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH SEVEN FIVE. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND I OFFER COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. OUR ADDRESS IS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS WHO INVEST IN THEIR PROPERTIES SPECIFICALLY ARE IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. UH, WE DO CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE. UH, FOR THE ENCLOSURE OF THE PORCH SCREEN, WE DO NOTE THAT WORK BEGAN WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THAT RAISES CONCERN AS THERE WERE OTHER IMAGES IN THE CASE FILE THAT INDICATED OTHER WORK HAD BEEN PERFORMED. AND WE JUST HOPE THAT, HOPE THAT THE PROPER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND CITY PERMITS ARE POOLED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, REHABILITATION OR REPAIR WORK THAT IS DONE ON THIS HISTORIC HOME. UM, LOCATED AT 2127 WEST SUMMIT. IN PARTICULAR, INTEREST WAS THE BOARDED UP WINDOW THAT WAS SHOWN IN THE IMAGES, UM, WHERE THAT WINDOW HAS GONE AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE REPAIRED AND PUT PLACED BACK. THE HOME HAS TRIPLE FASTED WOOD DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS, WHICH ARE VERY UNIQUE IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, WINDOWS ARE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS FOR OUR HISTORIC HOMES. WE THANK YOU FOR, UH, LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON H D R C. ITEM TEN TWO SIXTY NINE NORTH. YES, I'M CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I'M OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF OUR PRESIDENT, DREA GARZA AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. OUR ADDRESS IS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. ONCE AGAIN, IT'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. THE ADDRESS IS 2 6 9 NORTH DRIVE. THE CASE NUMBER IS 2 0 2 2 0 8 8. UM, WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE INVESTING IN THEIR HOMES AND ENSURING THAT, UH, THESE STRUCTURES THAT WE RESIDE IN, UH, CAN HAVE A LIFE AND LIVE BEYOND, UM, AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR CHARACTER [00:10:01] IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FINDINGS, C AS IN CHARLIE, D AS IN DAVID, AND E AS IN EDWARD. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT SUPPORT B AS IN BOY FINDING. UH, WE FEEL AS THOUGH THIS FINDING IS, UM, DIFFERENT DIFFERS FROM PREVIOUS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO H D R C REGARDING THE REPLACEMENT OF CARRIAGE DOORS ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO CAR CARRIAGE DOORS AND THE INTRODUCTION OF THE NEW FENESTRATION PATTERN, UM, OFFERS A DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT, UH, UH, RENDERING FROM THIS PARTICULAR VIEW OF OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, WE, WE ASK THAT THIS ITEM BE CONSIDERED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE OR THE FULL H D R C COMMISSION, WHATEVER IS, IS, UM, AMENABLE OR AVAILABLE, UH, FOR REVIEW. AND WE ASK FOR CONSISTENCY WHEN PRESERVING CARRIAGE DOORS ON ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UM, WITH RESPECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE DO NOT SUPPORT, UH, FINDING B. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON H D R C ITEM 12 22 57 WESTWOOD LAWN. YES, THESE COMMENTS ARE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND THESE COMMENTS ARE OFFERED ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. OUR ADDRESS IS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. THE ADDRESS FOR THIS CASE IS 2 2 5 7 WEST WOODLAWN AVENUE, H D R CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 0 0 6. THIS IS REGARDING A HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION. UM, WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS WHO INVEST IN THEIR HOMES AND SEEK TO RECEIVE THE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT, WHICH IS AVAILABLE. HOWEVER, WE ARE OFFER EXTREME CONCERN BECAUSE THE DATA DOES NOT MEET THE APPLICATION STANDARD, WHICH REQUIRES A DETAILED WRITTEN NARRATIVE EXPLAINING THE COMPLETED WORK, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, UH, A LIST OF ITEMIZED LIST OF ALL THE WORK COMPLETED, BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR. AND NUMBER THREE, AN ITEMIZED LIST OF FINAL COSTS ASSOCIATED. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S LACKING COLOR PHOTOS OF THE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR OF THE HOME THAT SHOWS THE RENOVATIONS THAT WERE AND REHAB THAT WERE PERFORMED FOR THE HOME. OF NOTE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE INFORMATION ON THE PERMIT DETAILS, THE THIRD PERMIT IN THE PACKAGE IS STILL OPEN. I APPRECIATE STAFF BEING ABLE TO, UH, VIEW THE PROPERTY, BUT WE KNOW THAT CITY STAFF FROM O H P, THEY'RE NOT CODE OFFICERS TO VERIFY THAT THE PERMITS ARE PROPERLY CLOSED. AND SO THE THIRD PERMIT CURRENTLY SHOWS STILL OPEN IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. UH, WE ALSO NOTE, UH, PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE THAT THIS IS A REGISTERED SHORT-TERM RENTAL TYPE B NON-OWNER OCCUPIED, UM, AND HAVE RECEIVED THE PROPER PERMITTING. AND THERE ARE 68 COLOR PHOTOS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UM, IN HIGH RESOLUTION FORMAT OF THIS HOME FOR INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR ADVERTISING. UM, ITS SHORT TERM RENTAL AVAILABILITY. WE JUST ASK THAT CITY STAFF HOLD THE APPLICANT ACCOUNTABLE FOR SUBMITTING THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION AND ENSURING THAT PERMITS ARE CLOSED OUT WHEN OFFERING CITY TAX CREDITS, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY. SO AT THIS TIME, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE PACKET, AS AS IT DOES NOT RATE, UH, MEET THE O P'S RECOMMENDATION AND REQUIREMENT FOR THE APPLICATION, WE'RE REQUESTING, UM, THAT THIS ITEM BE DENIED AT THIS TIME UNTIL ALL PROPER DOCUMENTATION HAS BEEN SUPPLIED TO O H P PER THE APPLICATION ON O HP'S WEBSITE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO H D R C AND THANKS FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS. AFTER HEARING COMMENTS. DO COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 8, 10, 12 AND 13. UH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER 13, PLEASE. HAVE I GOTTEN EVERYTHING BASED ON THE SCREEN? ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THOSE VIRTUALLY DO YOU WISH TO PULL ANYTHING? OKAY, THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A MOTION [00:15:01] FOR THE BALANCE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF ITEMS 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 14, 15, AND 16. I'LL SECOND MR. CHAIR AND WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. THANK YOU. STAFF. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. OLA ABSENT QUES ABSENT CARPENTER? NO, I'M, I'M HERE. OH, YOU'RE HERE. ALRIGHT. WELL YOU WEREN'T, YOU'RE NOT VISIBLE AT THE MOMENT. CAN YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR CAMERA? UH, OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT. SORRY, I'M STILL HAVING TROUBLE CONNECTING VIA MY COMPUTER. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU CARPENTER. AYE, GRO AYE. ANTE? YES, SIR. AYE. UNE AYE. AND COMMISSIONER MASUKA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW GO TO AGENDA I OH, IF YOU'RE ON THE, IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR LEY CLAY CEMETERY. TWO 15 LOWELL 6 35 V F W BOULEVARD, 5 45 WIX 1101 VIRGINIA THREE 19 CARLTON SEVEN 15, LABOR 2 0 5 OSTROM 1 0 3 WEST MAGNOLIA IN 24 19 MCCULLOUGH. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO REMAIN VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. OKAY. UM, [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] SO WE HAVE ITEM THREE, WHICH IS 5 0 4 AUSTIN, THE APPLICANT JASON MORIN IS ON THE LINE. MR. MOORE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY, GREAT. YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU HAD QUESTIONS? YES. UM, MR. MORIN, UM, I, UH, NOTICE THAT, UM, WE HAD SOME COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY IN RESPONSE TO THE COVERING OVER THE THIRD FLOOR, RATHER THE, UH, ROOF DECK. AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT AND, UM, UH, I GUESS POSSIBLY ENTERTAIN A ALTERNATIVE TO THAT COMPLETELY OBSCURED ROOF COVERING CONNECTIVITY. SORRY, ONE MOMENT. WHAT WAS THAT? MR. MORRAN? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? MORRAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, YES, YES. GIMME ONE SECOND. SO SORRY. OKAY. DURING, UM, WE HAD SOME NEGATIVE COMMENTS, UH, OR CRITICAL COMMENTS ABOUT THE OBSCURED ROOF COVER ON THE THIRD FLOOR DECK. I RECALL DURING THE D R C, WE ALSO DISCUSSED THAT. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OR TWO, UH, COMMENTS TO ALTER THAT TO BE A LESS OBSCURE COVERING FOR THE MATERIAL. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU WOULD CONSIDER SO? SURE. YES. UM, BY LESS OBSCURE SECURITY TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT. I'M SORRY, WE'RE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. I CAN, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU MR. MOORE. YOU MIGHT WANNA TRY THE PHONE NUMBER AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO A COMPUTER CONNECTION. UH, YES. WHERE, WHERE CAN I FIND THE PHONE NUMBER? UM, EDWARD SHOULD HAVE SENT THAT TO YOU. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SAME EMAIL I'M CALLING IN RIGHT NOW. AND THEN, UM, I, [00:20:13] MR. MORGAN, ARE YOU THROUGH? YES, I'M, YES. I'M SORRY. I'M TRYING TO DIAL IN. CAN YOU TURN, ARE YOU ON MUTE OR, UH, CO COREY ARE, IS HE CALLING IN BECAUSE WE CAN'T HEAR HIM? IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PICKING UP SOME FEEDBACK. MM-HMM. , I CAN'T UNDERSTAND. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? WE CAN HEAR YOU. CAN YOU HEAR US? UH, I CAN HEAR YOU. I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME. OKAY. I SEE THE TABLE. SO WHY DON'T YOU KEEP TRYING TO CALL IN. UM, I'LL LOOK FOR YOUR NUMBER. UM, AND MAYBE IT'S BEST TO MOVE TO ANOTHER ITEM WHILE WE TRY TO SOLVE THIS. YES. IF STAFF WOULD WORK WITH, UH, MR. MORAN AND GET A BETTER CONNECTION. UH, SO LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER EIGHT. OKAY. TOMMY, ARE YOU THERE? UH, YES I AM. GREAT. I THINK THIS WAS PULLED FOR A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES. UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS AND IT IS, I'M GLAD TO SEE M P AND A PICKED UP ON THE SAME CONCERNS I HAD AS I LOOKED AT THE PACKET. UM, I NOTICED THERE ARE SEVERAL WINDOWS THAT ARE REMOVED IN THIS IMAGE THAT WE SEE TO THE FAR LEFT. AND I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT IS THERE ADDITIONAL WORK GOING ON OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? HAS THE STAFF, UH, APPROVED SOME, SOME REPAIRS TO BE DONE TO THOSE WINDOWS? THE APPLICANT WAS ISSUED, UH, AN ADMINISTRATIVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WINDOW REPAIR. UM, AND SO I ACTUALLY, UM, I WASN'T THE CASE MANAGER, BUT I BELIEVE, UH, THAT WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT STAFF CHECKED IN ON, UH, WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT, UH, THE PORCH, THE SIDE WORK. AND, UM, THEY NOTED IT WAS JUST A, UM, THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT SCOPE OF WORK WOULD ALSO NEED AN APPROVAL. OKAY. THANK YOU THAT, THAT SETS MY MIND AT EASE. UM, THE OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS JUST A, UM, A SUGGESTION THAT THE OWNER CAN EITHER TAKE OR, OR LEAVE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY WAY OF ENFORCING IT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE FRAME OF YOUR SCREEN AND PORCH BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE TRIM OF THE REST OF THE HOUSE. I THINK IT'LL JUST INTEGRATE IT BETTER INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE AND BECOME A LITTLE LESS, UH, NOTICEABLE. ESPECIALLY SINCE IT IS SO PROMINENTLY POSITIONED FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT DRIVEWAY. SO THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. OTHERWISE, I, UH, SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF'S STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ABSENT. . AYE. CARPENTER AYE. GROUP. AYE. ZER AYE. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY, THANK YOU. CASE NUMBER 10. SORRY, ONE MOMENT FOR ME. OKAY. UH, LYNN, ARE YOU THERE? MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE LYNN MCCLURE. LEN MCCLURE? UH, YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. YES. UH, LEN MCCLURE 2 69 NORTH DRIVE. UH, YOU WANTED MY COMMENTS, IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE WE MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU CHAIRMAN FOR ALLOWING ME TO PULL THAT. UM, I THINK, UH, MY, MY ONLY CONCERN 'CAUSE I AGREE WITH STAFF, UH, STIPULATIONS ON THIS IS JUST THE, UH, THE [00:25:01] COMMENT FROM THE, UM, ELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD ABOUT THE, UM, THE FINDING ABOUT THE CARRIAGE DOORS REMOVAL. AND I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF MAYBE, UH, STAFF COULD COMMENT ON THAT SINCE YOU ALL ARE FINDING IT THAT APPROPRIATE. I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF, IF, IF THERE'S A COMPELLING REASON THAT WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD WITH, WITH ALL OF IT OR NOT. I'M ASKING KATIE TO COME UP. I, UM, YOU WERE ASKING COMMENT FROM THE STAFF OR FROM ME? YEAH. ASKING FROM THE STAFF. THANK YOU, SIR. SURE. SO, UM, WE FELT THAT THE, UM, THE RETENTION OF THE, LIKE THE, THE FRAMING AND THE GENERAL, UM, OVERALL APPEARANCE WOULD GENERALLY BE CONSISTENT, UM, FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT LIKE IT, IT WOULD STILL RETAIN THE, UM, APPEARANCE OF, OF HAVING DOORS AT ONE POINT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. AND CAN WE GO TO THE PROPOSED ELEVATION FOR, FOR THAT WITH THE, UH, THE REPLACEMENT? SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE I, I I FEEL LIKE IT, THERE COULD BE SOME MORE ARTICULATION IN, IN WHERE THE CARRIAGE DOORS WERE LOCATED AND, UM, SO I MEAN I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THIS GO TO A D R C JUST TO ARTICULATE, UH, BETTER KIND OF WHAT CAN BE DONE THERE. UM, OTHERWISE I'M IN SUPPORT OF, UH, STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT GOES TO D R C WITH FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE CARES STEWARD TREATMENT. I, I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION. I MEAN IF THE DESIRE IS FOR THE D R C TO HAPPEN, THEN I THINK THE ACTION SHOULD BE REFERRAL TO D R C. UM, VERY GOOD. UM, WITH THE OTHER, YEAH, I WAS GONNA, OH YEAH. OKAY. I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. APPROVAL THE REMAIN, I'M SAYING APPROVAL OF THE OTHER ITEMS WITH FOUR ITEM TO DRC WITH THE, UH, THAT ONE ITEM. SO, 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S IN PROGRESS ON SOMETHING HERE AND IF, IF MOST PEOPLE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S, IT'S UH, IN KEEPING WITH, UH, THE GUIDELINES THEN I DIDN'T WANNA HOLD THINGS UP. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR MODIFICATIONS GO TO A D R C. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. GERMAN. OKAY. YEAH. YES. UH, DO ANY DISCUSSION HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE. SINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. ABSENT? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES. ZER. AYE. AND FU AYE. MOTION PASSES. SO WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO ITEM THREE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. JASON, LET'S TRY AGAIN. ARE YOU THERE? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU. WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE. CAN YOU HEAR US? OKAY, GREAT. SORRY, I CONNECTED FROM MY IPAD INSTEAD. FOR SOME REASON MY PC WAS HAVING A HARD TIME. UM, UM, I DID, I DID HEAR THE COMMENT. UM, UH, BUT IF I COULD HAVE IT REPEATED FOR WHAT THE, WHAT THE ISSUE WAS. OH, SURE, SURE. UM, THANKS FOR FIXING THE TECHNICAL. THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER AND SO MUCH EASIER TO TALK ABOUT THIS. UM, BOTH, UM, THERE WERE TWO COMMENTS, UH, TWO, UH, CRITIQUES OF, UH, THE PROJECT FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND I WANTED TO TOUCH ON ONE ASPECT, AND THAT WAS, I GUESS THE THIRD STIPULATION BY STAFF. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ROOF COVERING. UM, IF YOU RECALL OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE, UM, THIRD FLOOR WAS ITS, UM, IT'S LOOMING APPEARANCE. IT'S, UH, OVERWHELMING PRESENCE AS AN ADDITION ON THE HISTORIC TWO STORY BUILDING. SO, UM, TURNING THE ROOF DECK INTO A COMPLETELY OPEN ROOF DECK IS REALLY A GREAT SOLUTION. HOWEVER, BY USING A COMPLETELY OBSCURED ROOF, I THINK WE'RE BACK TO HAVING A VERY LARGE MASS OR THE, THE SENSE OF A LOOMING MASS UP ON THE THIRD FLOOR. SO, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT [00:30:01] REDUCING THE, UH, OBSCURITY, UM, AND OPENING UP THE SHADING STRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT? WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO THAT? SURE, SURE. UM, IN, IN THE PREVIOUS, UM, UH, DESIGN REVIEW, MEANING I ACTUALLY HAD THE CANOPY PULLED BACK ABOUT HALFWAY, UM, BACK FROM THE, UH, WHAT'S THAT WOULD BE AUSTIN STREET SIDE. AND IN, IN THE REVIEW IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT I BRING THE CANOPY OUT TO, TO MEET THE BUILDING, THE SECOND STORY FOOTPRINT. AND SO THAT IT WAS IN MY, MY LARGER CANOPY WAS IN RESPONSE TO OUR LAST, UM, MEETING. SO IF NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT WE WANNA TAKE IT BACK TO A SMALLER FOOTPRINT FOR THE ROOF, I'M TOTALLY, UH, TOTALLY OPEN TO THAT, TO THAT CONCEPT. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE GET A, A, A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHERE IT SHOULD FALL SO I CAN MAKE SURE TO ACCOMMODATE OR, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT REQUEST. UH, YES, THIS IS, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME MISCOMMUNICATION AT THE D R C. UH, I DON'T RECALL, UH, SUGGESTING OR THERE, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION TO EXTEND THE, THE COVER OVER THE ENTIRE THIRD FLOOR. AND I THINK WHAT YOU HAD SHOWN BEFORE, WHICH IS BASICALLY, UH, THE SETTING THE CANOPY OVER THE, UH, EAST MOST FOUR COLUMNS, UH, LEAVING THE PORTION THAT OVERLOOKS AUSTIN STREET WITHOUT A CANOPY. UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE. AND IF YOU'RE WILLING, UH, TO, UH, ACCEPT THAT, UH, WE CAN GET OTHER COMMENTS AND MAYBE MOVE THIS FORWARD. GREAT. YEAH, AND I, I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, I'M COMPLETELY OPEN TO THAT. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. SURE. THANK YOU. UM, SO, UM, CAN WE, UM, AMEND OUR STIPULATIONS CERTAINLY TO, YEAH, PREVIOUSLY ON THE LAST ONE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, I DUNNO IF I CAN WRITE ON HERE, BUT, UM, KIND OF JUST PAST THE, ON THE THIRD FLOOR THERE, PAST THAT CENTER COLUMN, UM, I HAD EXTENDED IT OUT MAYBE A FEW FEET, MAYBE THREE FEET PAST THAT, THAT, UH, COLUMN, UH, PREVIOUSLY. UM, BUT, UM, OPEN TO YOUR, UM, SUGGESTIONS ON, ON WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT COLUMN. I MEAN, THAT, UH, ROOF CANOPY STOP. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. SO, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE OVERHANG THAT YOU HAVE COMING TOWARD AUSTIN WOULD MATCH THE OVERHANG OF THAT ROOF CANOPY, UH, ON ITS OPPOSITE SIDE. WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? WOULD JUST SIMPLY BE MOVING THAT BEAM TO THE CENTER BAY? CORRECT. IT WOULD BE TAKING OFF THAT FURTHEST BEAM PROBABLY AND JUST PULLING THAT CANOPY FROM AUSTIN STREET BACK. SO A THREE, A THREE FOOT OVERHANG FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR GRID LINE, FROM THAT CENTER GRID LINE OR THE CENTER COLUMN WOULD, WOULD KIND OF REFLECT ITS DIMENSION AS RELATED TO THE REST OF THE BUILDING, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN ATTEMPT A MOTION HERE? YES, PLEASE. THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS THAT THE CANOPY BE MOVED BACK TO THE, TO THE CENTER GRID LINE AS DESCRIBED, UH, WITH A MATCHING OVERHANG DISTANCE. MR. CHAIR, I'LL SECOND IT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION, UH, FOR, UH, UH, MAYBE A BIT OF STAFF CLARITY OR CLARITY FOR EVERYONE? UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, GENERALLY APPROXIMATE WHERE THAT WOULD BE IN ELEVATION? COMMISSIONER FISHER, YOU'RE MUTED IN, IN, I, I'M, I THINK I'M UNMUTED IN, IN ELEVATION, UH, WHERE WE CAN SEE, LOOKING FOR THE PROPER ELEVATION HERE. THESE ARE THE TWO WRONG SIDES, SO WE'RE PULLING IT BACK FROM AUSTIN. IF YOU'LL PUT YOUR CUR CURSOR ON THE AUSTIN. SO AUSTIN STREET'S OUT HERE, AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THE CANOPY IS TO DECREASE IN DEPTH. SO [00:35:01] AS I'VE HIGHLIGHTED THAT WOULD, WELL, SORRY. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S THE APPROXIMATE AREA. YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS FISH SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE S ABSENT MR. AYE, CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES. BUTZER. AYE. AND UNE AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES NOW. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. TOPPER, ARE YOU THERE? YES. OKAY. I BELIEVE THIS WAS PULLED FOR QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, CORY. UM, ACTUALLY IT'S A QUESTION ONCE AGAIN FOR STAFF. UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IN THESE CASES WE'RE, WE'RE FAIRLY HIGHLY RELIANT UPON STAFF'S CONFIRMATION OF THE, OF THE WORK. AND I THINK THIS IS MADE MORE SO BY THE FACT THAT THIS SUBMISSION, UM, HAS THESE SORT OF ALMOST OTTIN GRAY, GRAINY BLACK AND WHITE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SEEM VERY INEFFECTIVE IN COMMUNICATING TO ME, YOU KNOW, THE SCOPE AND THE QUALITY OF THE WORK DONE. ALSO, MOST OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, UH, THE ECONOMIC DATA ON IT HAS BEEN REDACTED, WHICH IS FINE. I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF, UH, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CONFIDENTIALITY, BUT WE HAVE TO TURN TO STAFF THEN TO SAY, WAS THIS A SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION? DOES IT MEET, UH, THE LEVEL OF, UM, THAT'S REQUIRED TO, TO BE, UH, TO RECEIVE THE, THE TAX CREDITS? AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT WITHOUT SOME OF THAT DOCUMENTATION. SO OBVIOUSLY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN, YEAH, IT, IT MEET, IT MEETS IT, BUT I, I FIND IT A LITTLE LACKING IN, IN THE DOCUMENTATION AND WOULD, UM, UH, MAYBE SUGGEST TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT WE REQUEST THAT THAT DOCUMENTATION BE PROVIDED SO THAT THIS, THE COMMISSION CAN AFFIRM, UH, STAFF'S REP, UH, REPRESENTATION OF THIS PROJECT IS MEETING THE, THE REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. THANKS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAD A QUESTION. UM, SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WAS IF THE PERMITS WERE CLOSED AND STAFF HASN'T ITEM, UH, FINDING D VERIFY THAT ALL WORK USED TO QUALIFY HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND NO EXISTING VIOLATIONS, I GUESS THAT'S INCLUDING OPEN PERMITS. I JUST, IT'S A FINE LINE, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE APPROVED MANY OF THESE TAX VERIFICATIONS WITHOUT THE NUMBERS THERE, I THINK STAFF GETS THEM, BUT DOESN'T HAVE TO PUT THEM OUT FOR THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE, I THINK THERE IS A, A TI THERE'S A FINE LINE OF WHAT CAN BE PUBLICLY AND, AND THAT'S INCLUDING US. YEAH, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT IT'S FINE TO HAVE THAT REDACTED. UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT PHOTOGRAPHIC DOCUMENTATION'S IMPORTANT. AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, BRINGING UP THE, UH, THE OPEN ITEM ON THE, UH, THIRD PERMIT. RACHEL, DO YOU WANNA CLARIFY THE PERMITS? YES. STAFF CAN CLARIFY. UM, IN THE APPLICATION PACKET, THE MATERIALS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, THERE WAS A PERMIT LISTED AS OPEN AND THE PERMITTING SYSTEM, THE PERMITS ARE ISSUED AND CLOSED. THERE IS ONE OPEN PERMIT CURRENTLY FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL. UM, SO NOT RELATED TO THE SCOPE OF WORK AND THE INCENTIVE APPLICATION. AND YOU ALSO DID A STAFF VISIT, SITE VISIT. SO THAT ALSO KIND OF LIKE AFFIRMS THAT THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE. AND I KNOW THAT AS A COMMISSIONER WE'RE FRUSTRATED, WE'RE NOT GETTING, BUT ALSO MAYBE THE TIME THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES. THERE'S SOME TIME THAT, AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TRUST THE, THE STAFF, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CON UH, CONCERN, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SOLUTION TO IT, BUT I, I THINK I I I'M GONNA PLACE MY TRUST IN STUFF. YEAH. AND, AND I, I DO TOO. I JUST, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS THE COMMUNITY IS SORT OF TRUST AND, BUT VERIFY, RIGHT? THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE APPROACH THAT IS OFTEN PLACED HERE. SO I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH A MOTION OF APPROVING THIS, BUT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT PERHAPS THROUGH SOME MECHANISM COLOR PHOTOGRAPHS CAN BE PROVIDED TO THE, UH, TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, OR AT LEAST TO THE [00:40:01] MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO, UH, TO AFFIRM STAFF'S POSITION ON THIS. SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, THIS IS, YES SIR. I'M SORRY. THIS IS, I, I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS JOHN THE, THE HOMEOWNER OF, OF WOODLAWN. UH, I, I WANNA START BY APOLOGIZE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SENT ANY DOCUMENTATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE TAKING THE TIME ON IT. THAT BEING SAID, UH, THE COLOR PHOTOS, SO I I I AIR BY ERROR, I SENT, UH, TWO SETS, ONE IN BLACK AND WHITE AND ONE IN COLOR. AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE LEFT OF THIS DOCUMENT ON THE ATTACHMENTS, THOSE PHOTO COLOR, THE PHOTO COPIES IN COLOR HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. YEAH. AND MR. CHAIR, THAT WAS WHAT MY COMMENT WAS THAT, UM, IF YOU SCROLL TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, THERE ARE COLOR PHOTOS. AND THEN, UH, THE COMMENT THAT I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST FOCUS ON THE FINDING E THAT STAFF IS INFORMING US, THE APPLICANT HAS MET ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY'S TAX VERIFICATION PROCESS. IT AS DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3, 5 6 1 8 OF THE U D C AND HAS FURNISHED EVIDENCE TO THAT EFFECT. SO, UM, I MEAN, STAFF'S GOING, MAKING A, A, A PRETTY BOLD CONFIRMATION THERE. SO I, I, I THINK WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXTENSIVE O H P, I THINK E IS, UM, PRETTY DEFINITIVE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION? WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. ABSENT MA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES, THAT SIR. AYE. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13. OKAY. WE SHOULD HAVE RYAN RADISH. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. AND SO I BELIEVE THERE WERE QUESTIONS FROM BOTH COMMISSIONERS CARPENTER AS WELL AS SAVINO. AND SO WE ALSO HAVE, UM, OUR CITY ARBORIST MARK BIRD HERE, IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REQUIRED MITIGATION FOR REMOVAL ITSELF. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, UPON REVIEWING THIS CASE, THE FILE, UM, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS AND, UH, WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND THEM IN THE FILE. SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS, WHY ARE THESE TREES BEING REMOVED AND THERE'S A PLANNED PATIO RENOVATION THERE, SO THEY'RE THEY'RE BEING REMOVED TO FOR A REMODEL? CORRECT. OKAY. IS THERE, ARE THERE PLANS FOR REPLACEMENT TREES? NO, MA'AM. THE, THE DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH MR. BYRD AND MEMBERS OF THE OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS IS THAT THEY, THE CITY IS ASKING FOR SOME MITIGATION. AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT MITIGATION PROCESS, LOCATIONS AND OPTIONS. BUT ON THE PROPERTY GROUNDS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO PLANS TO INSTALL NEW OR PLANT. OKAY. AND SO OTHER THAN, UM, RE REQUIRING OR DESIRING, UM, MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE TREES ARE IN GOOD SHAPE. THEY'RE PRETTY HEALTHY STILL. I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT A, A TREE EXPERT, BUT JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY LOOK TO BE IN GOOD CONDITION. OKAY. THEY ARE SOME OF THE FEW PALMS THAT SURVIVES THROUGH THE TREES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. YES. IF WE COULD HAVE, UH, MR. BIRD, THE CITY ARBORIST UP TO, UH, TALK TO THE CONDITION OF THESE TREES? GOOD AFTERNOON, MARK BIRD CITY ARBORIST, UH, THE PALMS DID VERY WELL THROUGH THE FREEZE AIR IN GOOD CONDITION. OKAY. AND YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, REMOVING THEM AND SOME SORT OF, UM, MITIGATION TO COMPENSATE FOR THE LOSS? YES. OUR PROCESS ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT A PLAN AND TO MEET THE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS. WE ARE REQUESTING, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT [00:45:01] THAT ALL MITIGATION BE PLANTED. AND ON THE RIVERWALK, THAT IS OUR REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. THEY DO HAVE OPTIONS OF PLANTING, THEY HAVE OPTIONS OF PAYMENT, COMBINATION OF PLANTING AND PAYMENT. THE DIRECTION WE'RE ASKING IS THAT THEY REPLANT PALMS BACK ONTO THE RIVERWALK. UM, THERE'S COORDINATION WITH, UH, UH, UH, DOWNTOWN OPERATIONS TO IDENTIFY LOCATIONS WHERE PALMS DIED OVER THE, THE FREEZE A YEAR AGO AND TO REPLACE THEM IN THOSE LOCATIONS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS REFERENCING AS FAR AS IT'S, IT'S AN ONGOING CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. UH, MR. COMMISSIONER QUEZ, I HAVE A QUESTION, SIR. WHO, WHOSE TREES ARE THERE? ARE THEY PLANTED BY LA MANION OR ARE THEY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S? THEY ARE ON CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY. SO, SO WHO WOULD'VE PLANTED THEM? WOULD THEY HAVE BEEN PLANTED AT THE CONSTRUCTION OF LA MANION ON CITY PROPERTY BY THE OWNER, OR WOULD THEY HAVE BEEN PLANTED BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? I, I DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ARE THERE REQUEST QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER SANTE? YEAH. THE OVERALL RE RENOVATION THERE, ARE YOU JUST REPAIRING SOMETHING OR ARE YOU TOTALLY CHANGING THE, THE LOOK O OF THAT PATIO THERE? UH, BASICALLY THE DESIGN INTENT TO IS TO KIND OF KEEP THAT THE BRICK PATIO PRETTY MUCH AS IS AND SOME OF THAT LANDSCAPING RIGHT THERE. THE FUNCTION IS GONNA REMAIN A DINING ESTABLISHMENT. UM, IT, IT'S KIND OF A REFRESH IF YOU WILL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. HAS THERE BEEN ALTERNATIVES LOOKED AT AND STUDIED TO SEE IF THE TREES COULD BE RETAINED? BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY NOT SEEING KIND OF WHAT THE REPLACEMENT PLAN IS IN THIS APPLICATION. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY VERY LITTLE DOCUMENTATION OF THE SUBJECT TREES. I WISH WE COULD SEE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THEM FROM ACROSS THE RIVER AND MAYBE, UH, AND A FEW OTHER VANTAGE POINTS. 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF VERY DARK, UH, OR ONE DARK PHOTO OF, OF THE SUBJECT TREES. HA HAVE, HAS THIS BEEN STUDIED? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, OKAY, IF THEY'RE HEALTHY, THEY'RE MATURE, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, THEY ADD CHARACTER. I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY CAN'T BE PLANNED AROUND. WELL, WHAT THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN IS TO OPEN UP THIS PATIO TO CREATE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE AND MORE ENTERTAINING AND MORE ENJOYABLE BY THE PUBLIC. UM, THESE TREES ARE LARGE AS NOTED, AND WE'VE, WE HAVE, UM, ACTUALLY DISCUSSED IN RECENT DAYS, KEEPING THE ONE THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 'CAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT COULD REMAIN, WE COULD WORK AROUND THAT ONE. THE OTHER THREE, THE INTENT THERE IS TO ENHANCE THAT LANDSCAPING AND PUT KIND OF A, A BANQUETTE STYLE SEATING THERE. UM, WHICH LOOKS OUT OVER THE RIVERWALK. SO THE, THE DESIGN CONCEPTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE STUDIED SO FAR HAVE EVOLVED AROUND THESE TREES BEING MOVED AND MITIGATED. UM, AND THEN WE'VE RECENTLY DISCUSSED, AGAIN, THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT, POSSIBLY REMAINING. MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR MR. BIRD. UM, LOOKING AT THE TREES, LOOKING AT THEIR, THEIR HEALTH AND THEIR GENERAL AGE, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE ABOUT HOW MUCH LONGER THEY HAVE TO, TO SURVIVE OR, OR ARE THEY, UH, IS, I KNOW THAT'S A DIFFICULT THING TO TO GUESS, BUT IN, IN THIS LOCATION WITH THAT MUCH WATER AND THAT CONDITION, ARE WE LOOKING AT ANOTHER 25 YEARS FOR THESE, ANOTHER 50 YEARS? IF, IF THEY WERE TO REMAIN, THESE PALMS CAN LAST A LONG TIME TO SEE THEM LAST ANOTHER 20 OR 25 YEARS, CONSIDERING EVERYTHING THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH ALREADY. AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE DONE VERY WELL AT THIS POINT. OBVIOUSLY THE OLDER THINGS GET, THINGS START TO BREAK DOWN, SO I CAN'T PREDICT INTO THAT FUTURE. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. DO YOU SEE THESE TREES CAUSING ANY DAMAGE TO ANY STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO THE PATIO, TO THE WALKWAY, TO, TO ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT'S IN THAT AREA? I CAN'T SAY THAT I CAN STRUCTURALLY SPEAK FOR IT. IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE PATIO HAS BEEN IM IMPACTED. THERE ARE PAVERS OR OTHER, UH, SURFACES AROUND THERE. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD, UM, BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING THIS IF WE HAD REPLACEMENT PLANS TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK. UM, CONSIDERING THE OPTIONS WOULD BE, UM, UH, COULD BE, UH, BETTER, UM, BETTER DEFINED TO SEE THE TREES IN SITU, OR IF THEY DO NEED TO BE REMOVED FOR A PARTICULAR ALTERNATIVE. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT IN, IN ONE FELL SWOOP. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. OH, YES, SIR. UM, I SHARE COMMISSIONER CON UH, SAVINA'S, UM, [00:50:01] THOUGHTS HERE? YOU KNOW, GENERALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT REMOVAL OF ITEMS OR CHANGES IN ITEMS THAT COMES WITH A REPLACEMENT PLAN, UH, SO THAT ALL THE OPTIONS CAN BE UNDERSTOOD AND EXPLORED BEFORE APPROVAL OF REMOVAL OR RELOCATION OF TREES LIKE THIS. SO, MR. SAVINO, I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION ALONG THOSE LINES AND MAYBE A, A SITE VISIT WOULD BE IN ORDER GIVEN THE, THE DEGREE OF EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED HERE TODAY. WELL, COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT SUPPORT. I, I FEEL LIKE, UM, HAVING A REPLACEMENT PLAN FIRST WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE WAY TO GO. AND AT THAT POINT WE COULD MAKE A SITE VISIT WHEN WE HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN PLACE FOR CONSIDERATION. UH, MR. RADISH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UM, PULLING THE APPLICATION AT THE MOMENT AND COMING BACK TO, UH, POSSIBLY A D R C WITH A PLAN, PROPOSED PLAN TO, UH, SHOW US WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? UH, YOU MENTIONED JUST TODAY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY SAVING ONE OF THE TREES, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR PLANS ARE STILL IN FLUXX. SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER PULLING THE APPLICATION AT THIS POINT AND DEVELOPING YOUR PLAN FURTHER? I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE, THE BEST OPTION AT THIS POINT? I MEAN, THE PLANS AREN'T REALLY IN FLUX. THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE C C D O AND THE D S D, UM, TO FIGURE OUT WHICH LOCATIONS THEY WANT NEW TREES, AND THAT WAY WE CAN DECIDE, AS MR. BIRD SPOKE TO EARLIER, WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S OUR BEST OPTION WITH PLANTING NEW ON THE RIVER OR TRYING TO DO A COMBINATION OF PLANTING AND FEE. IT'S REALLY WHERE DOES THE C C D O WANT US TO PLANT NEW TREES? AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE LACKING AT THIS POINT. SO DO YOU HAVE A DESIGN FOR YOUR ENLARGED PATIO? YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED YET FOR A C OF A, SO THIS CAME TO STAFF MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, AND WE ISSUED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR PATIO RENOVATIONS. THE TREE REMOVAL WAS NOT SPECIFIED. AND SO NOW THAT WE ARE HAVING THE PERMIT DISCUSSION, IT'S COME BACK UP. AND SO I HONESTLY, WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IS REFERRED THE ENTIRE PACKAGE BACK TO THE HT R C. AND THAT MAKES SENSE NOW. UM, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT CHANGE, MR. CHAIR. RIGHT. I, I FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT COREY IS, UM, EXPRESSING. UM, THE, UM, ES ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT BECAUSE OF THE FREEZE THESE TREES, UH, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ELEMENTS OF A RARE SITUATION AND ARE ALSO RELATED TO THE, TO THE OVERVIEW, THE OVERVIEW, THE, THE, UM, THE HIGH SCAPE, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST RELATED TO THE PATIO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF CHARACTERISTIC OF WHAT IS COMMUNICATED AS A RARE CHARACTERISTIC NOW. SO, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST PRUDENT TO SEND THIS DIRECTLY THROUGH THE, THE, THE STRINGENT, UM, PROCESSES OF THE H D R C AND O O H P. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, AND, AND TO THAT POINT, I THINK, UM, MAYBE THIS MOTION WILL, WILL INITIATE THAT I, I MOVE FOR, UH, THE CASE TO BE REFERRED TO A D R C IN WHICH THE APPLICANT CAN BRING FORTH THE, THE PLANS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY, UH, O H P STAFF. AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS IN, IN, UH, IN MORE DETAIL THERE. AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PLACEMENT OF THE, THE MITIGATION, UH, THE REPLACEMENT TREES ELSEWHERE ON THE RIVER, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PRESENTED AT THIS. I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, IN MORE DETAIL THE IMPERATIVE OF WHY THESE TREES HAVE TO BE REMOVED AND, UH, TO, TO UNDERSTAND THE REPLACEMENT PLAN. THANK YOU, SIR. I WANNA SECOND THAT, MR. CHAIR. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL. PLEASE CAN ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. WILL THE D R C BE A VIRTUAL MEETING OR A SITE VISIT? I, I, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND A SITE VISIT, A SITE VISIT IF I'M HEARING SITE VISIT. THANK YOU. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS A FISH. AYE. SABINA AYE. QUEZ? AYE. ABSENT MA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES. THAT AYE. AND THE PHONE? AYE. MOTION PASSES IS AGENDA [00:55:01] ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 2 2 0 8 6 3 14. SHERMAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT THREE 14 SHERMAN LOCATED WITHIN THE DIG WHITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH SS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH TRUTH SHOULD FEATURE EAVES AS FOUND ON HISTORIC PORT TRUTHS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS H AND N TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH SHOULD BE SUPPORTED BY COLUMNS IN A TRADITIONAL MANNER IS NOTED IN FINDING M THREE. THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS FEATURE A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE IS NOTED IN FINDING L FOR THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCE FENCING FEATURE A DRIVEWAY GATE THAT IS SET BEHIND THE FRONT PORCH OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. IT'S NOTED IN FINDING Q AND STIPULATION FIVE ARE STAFF STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO HORIZONTAL SIDING BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING AND STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSTALLATION. THERE'S ALSO TWO CASE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION. THE APPLICANT FELIX ZIGA IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS FELIX ZIGA. I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, ALLOWING US TO PRESENT TODAY. UM, I'D LIKE TO START AT THE TOP, UH, EDWARD, UH, ON THE NARRATIVE PLEASE. OR THE NEXT, THE NEXT ONE? YEAH. UM, SO FROM THE TOP, THIS IS THE SITE. UM, IT IS A, UM, VACANT LOT, UH, WITHIN THE DIGNITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, IT IS ON A BLOCK FACE THAT IS, UH, HEAVILY UNDERUTILIZED. UM, COULD WE, COULD WE GO BACK TWO SLIDES? SORRY. ONE, ONE MORE. SO ON THIS AERIAL, UM, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY TWO HOUSES FACING THE SAME DIRECTION AS OUR LOT. UM, WE DO, WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CLOSE, UH, CLOSELY BACKED UP TO VERITY GLASS, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY, AND AS WELL AS A, I THINK IT'S AN ELECTRIC, UH, CONTRACTOR CONTRACTING COMPANY THAT OWNS THE LARGE, UH, PARCEL AND INDUSTRIAL FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET. UM, NOW WE CAN GO BACK. UH, NEXT ONE. THIS SHOWS OUR LOCATION WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, WE ARE IN THE UNIQUE SIT, KIND OF FRINGE, UM, LOCATION WITHIN THE DISTRICT. SO OUR, WE THOUGHT WE FOUND A VERY, WE FOUND IT VERY INTRIGUING AS A DESIGN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP MERGE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE INDUSTRIAL AND ZONING AND, YOU KNOW, TRANSITION FROM A RESIDENTIAL BACK TO AN INDUSTRIAL AND DOWNTOWN. UM, UH, USE. UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, THESE ARE SOME CONTEXT PHOTOS. UM, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME INFILL KIND OF A, A ROCKS THROWAWAY FROM, OR STONE'S THROWAWAY FROM OUR PROPERTY. UH, YOU HAVE THESE INDUS LARGE INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES ACROSS THE STREET, HEAVY USE OF STUCCO, STEEL, UM, AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, WROUGHT IRON ELEMENTS. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THESE ARE THE TWO HOMES, UM, ALONG SHERMAN, UM, THAT WE HAVE AS CONTEXT. WE HAVE A FOLK VICTORIAN ON THE LEFT AND A LITTLE, UH, BUNGALOW KIND OF, UM, HALL AND PARLOR TYPE OF STRUCTURE, UH, TO THE RIGHT OF US DIRECTLY TO DIRECTLY TO THE RIGHT OF US. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, OUR SETBACK EXHIBIT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE SETTING OUR PROPOSED STRUCTURE WELL BEHIND THE, UH, EXISTING ONES. UM, WE, I THINK THE, THE, THE TWO HISTORIC HOMES ARE 24 AND 28 FEET FROM THE CURB. WE'RE PROPOSING 32 FEET SIX FROM THE EDGE OF THE CURB, SO WELL BEHIND AND CONFORMING TO THE, THE STIPULATE OR THE, UM, GUIDELINES. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS SHOWS OUR FOUNDATION HEIGHTS. AGAIN, BOTH OF THESE STRUCTURES SIT PRETTY LOW TO THE GROUND. WE'RE, WE'RE MATCHING WHAT IS THERE TODAY, UH, IN TERMS OF OUR FOUNDATION HEIGHTS. UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS STARTS TYING INTO, UH, THIS SLIDE JUST TOUCHES OR BRUSHES UP ON NEW CONSTRUCTION AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE GET OUR GUIDANCE FROM. UM, YOU KNOW, EV ALL THE GUIDANCE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS STARTS HERE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FROM THE, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, UH, FOR REHABILITATION. ACTUALLY, IT'S THE ONLY MENTION OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, AND IT'S SPECIFIC TO ADDITIONS. UM, THAT'S BEEN, OF COURSE, TRANSLATED AND INTERPRETED INTO HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, BUT WE, WE DO USE THIS AS A GUIDE OURSELVES IN OUR STUDIO TO, YOU KNOW, MASSING SCALE PROPORTION, BUT ALSO ARTICULATION AND DISTINGUISHING OF CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. YEP. THESE ARE THE CITY'S HISTORIC, UH, UH, THE CITY'S GUIDELINES FOR INFILL. UM, WE FOCUS ON THE CONTEMPORARY, UM, INTERPRETATIONS OF TRADITIONAL MATERIALS AND DESIGNS. [01:00:01] UM, SO WE, WE LOOK AT PORCH MASSING, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO OUR PROJECT. WE LOOKED AT OUR PORCH MASSING, WE LOOKED AT OUR OVERHANGS, WE LOOKED AT OUR COLUMNS. UM, HERE THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED THAT USE STUCCO AND BRICK. UM, THIS IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS PROJECT, BUT JUST THOUGHT WE WOULD POINT IT OUT. UM, AND AGAIN, THE AL THE ALTERNATE USE OF TRADITIONAL MATERIALS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I WANNA FOCUS ON AS WE, UH, HUNKER INTO THE PRESENTATION OR, OR THE DESIGN. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. MORE, MORE CONTEXT, PHOTOS, WHERE WE PULLED MATERIALS FROM. UH, NEXT SLIDES. NEXT, NEXT, HERE'S SOME DESIGN INSPIRATION. SO IN TERMS OF FORM MASSING SCALE, WE LOOKED AT THIS, GRANTED, THIS IS IN A RURAL SETTING, BUT IT'S, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE. WE LIKED THE SHAKER AROUND THE WRAP WRAPAROUND AT THE WRAPAROUND PORCH. WE LIKED THE OPEN GABLE, UM, AND WE USED IT AS DESIGN INSPIRATION. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT FROM OUR PERSONAL PORTFOLIO THAT WE USED AS A DESIGN INSPIRATION. SO AGAIN, STUCCO BRICK, VERY INDUSTRIAL, UM, THE CREATIVE USE OF THE METAL METAL ROOF COMING DOWN AND, AND BECOMING SIDING. I THINK ON THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE THAT. UM, AND WE CREDITED THE, THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT TEAM ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL. UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, HERE'S OUR MATERIAL DETAILING OR MATERIALS PALETTE. YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE PROPOSING WOOD WINDOWS, UM, OR WE'LL EITHER USE WOOD ON WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD. UM, THAT'S SUBJECT TO PRICING. BUT WE WILL CONFORM TO THE, THE, THE STANDARDS, UH, FROM STAFF OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, WE'RE PROPOSING STAINED CEDAR SHAKE UNDER AT THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PORCH, UM, STANDING SEA METAL ROOF IN A CHARCOAL GRAY COLOR. AND IF NEEDED, AT OUR REAR PATIO, WE HAVE A, AN I-BEAM FLETCH DETAIL, FLETCH BEAM DETAIL, UM, IF, IF OUR SPAN MERITS IT. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND LASTLY, OUR, UH, PROPOSED FENCE EXHIBITS. UM, SO, UM, AND THEN WE'LL WRAP UP WITH THE RENDERINGS AND ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS. SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS SHOWS THE RENDERING OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, VERY TRADITIONAL FORM, MASS SCALE. UM, WE AGREE WITH ALL THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, OR, OR MY, LET ME REPHRASE THAT. WE, WE ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATION FIVE, WHICH HAS THE, THE, THE STANDARDS FOR THE, UM, UH, BOARD AND BATON SPACING, THE ROOF SPACING. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PROBLEMS THERE. WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS, UM, THE, UH, FRONT PORCH DETAILING, UM, ALONG WITH THE SPECIFICS, THE SITE SPECIFICS FOR, UH, THE FRONT YARD FENCE. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS ARE NEXT IN THE EXHIBITS. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? UH, YES. BEAR WITH ME. THERE IS, UH, ONE VOICEMAIL, SORRY. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS AND NEIGHBORS OF DIGNITY HILL. WITH REGARDS TO PROPERTY ADDRESS THREE 14 SHERMAN STREET. WE SUPPORT O H P STIPULATIONS AND WOULD ESPECIALLY LIKE TO CALL OUT STIPULATION ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. ACCORDING TO O H P GUIDELINES, NEW STRUCTURES SHOULD NOT BE SO DISSIMILAR AS TO DISTRACT FROM OR DIMINISH THE HISTORIC INTERPRETATION OF THE DISTRICT. NEW STRUCTURES SHOULD INCORPORATE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE PREDOMINANT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE ALONG THE BLOCK BASE OR WITHIN THE DISTRICT WHEN ONE EXISTS. DETAILS SHOULD BE SIMPLE IN DESIGN AND SHOULD COMPLIMENT, BUT NOT VISUALLY COMPETE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR OTHER STRUCTURES WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED PORCH DESIGN IS SIGNIFICANTLY DISSIMILAR AND DOES VISUALLY COMPETE WITH THE EXISTING HISTORICAL STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK AND THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE RE PLEASE REVIEW THE THREE DESIGNS WE'VE ENCLOSED IN OUR EMAILS. TWO OF THEM ARE LOCATED ON THE SAME 300 BLOCK. THE THIRD IS LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF MESQUITE AND SHERMAN. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL JUMP MR. CARPENTER, JUMP INTO THIS. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING, TAKING, UM, THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THIS DESIGN. AND, AND, UM, I'M, I'M GENERALLY A SUPPORTER OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE BECAUSE [01:05:01] IT IS ON THE FRINGES OF THE DISTRICT. IT IS, IT'S CONTEXT IS BOTH THIS MIX OF INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THAT WAS KIND OF THE BASIS OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE AND YOU ARTICULATE THAT. BUT THERE'S ALSO OTHER CONCEPTS HERE, UM, LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE ON PAGE 21 ABOUT THE MODERN INTERPRETATION OF HISTORIC DETAILS. UM, YOU KNOW, PORCH VOLUME MASSING KIND OF, SORT OF THE MODERN OR MINIMALIST TAKE ON THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE. AND, UM, I, I'M NOT SEEING ENOUGH OF THAT CONCEPT HERE YET, AND IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE NOT QUITE FISH NOR FOUL HERE. I I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE RELYING PRETTY HEAVILY UPON THIS, UM, THIS INSPIRATION, THIS ONE THAT YOU, YOU RIGHTFULLY NOTED AS IN A MORE RURAL SETTING, PROBABLY TAKING ITS CUES FROM MORE AGRO INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF, UH, FORMS. UM, AND SO I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A, A GREATER TRANSLATION OF THAT CONCEPT OF THE HISTORIC CRAFTSMAN DETAILS DONE IN A, IN A CONTEMPORARY MINIMALIST WAY THAN WHAT I'M SEEING. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN ONE ANALYZES WHAT KIND OF MAKES, UH, CRAFTSMAN STYLE, UH, IDENTIFIABLE OR UNIQUE IS, YOU KNOW, IT TENDS TO HAVE LOW PITCHED ROOF LINES. IT SEEMS, IT'S GENERALLY THEY'RE VERY MODEST IN SCALE AND THE KIND OF HUNKERED DOWN AND ANCHORED TO THE, TO THE EARTH. UM, WHICH WAS IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO SORT OF SOME OF THE MORE EXUBERANT, UH, LATE 19TH CENTURY VICTORIAN STYLE ARCHITECTURE THAT TENDED TO BE VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGH REACHING AND, UH, AND GRAND GRANDIOSE IN SCALE. ANOTHER THING THAT TYPIFIES CRAFTSMEN IS SORT OF DEEP OVERHANGS AND EAVES THAT PROVIDE SHADE AND SHADOW. THAT'S PARTICULARLY SOMETHING THAT'S WELCOME WITHIN OUR CLIMATE HERE. AND I THINK YOUR PORCH BEGINS TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE, BUT THE SCALE AND THE PROPORTION OF IT IS MISSING, UH, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE PITCH OF THAT ROOF. SO THERE, THERE'S A MODERN TRANSLATION OF WHAT THE DEEP EAVES AND OVERHANG ELSEWHERE THOUGH IT'S CLIPPED LIKE RIGHT THERE IN THAT VIEW, WHERE YOU SEE THERE'S AN ABRUPT STOP OF THE OVERHANG ALONG THE SIDE OF THE, THE STRUCTURE, WHICH ISN'T DONE BY YOUR PRECEDENT, BY THE WAY. YOUR PRECEDENT HAS A CONTINUOUS OVERHANG, UH, TAKING PLACE. SO THAT, THAT FOR ME WAS A LITTLE OF, OF AN ABRUPT, UM, UH, BREAK. AND IT, IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT FEEL LIKE THIS WAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT THEN RECEIVED A CONTEMPORARY RATHER THAN SOMETHING MORE INTEGRATED. UM, WHAT ELSE DO WE SEE IN THE CRAFTSMAN? EXPOSED RAFTERS AND DECORATIVE BRACKETS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF HAND COMPOSED. THAT WAS ONCE AGAIN, SORT OF IN DIRECT OPPOSITION TO, UH, SORT OF THE, THE MASS PRODUCTION, UH, OF THE LATE VICTORIAN ERA WHERE THERE WAS A VERY, YOU KNOW, A REDUCTION IN CRAFT AND A, AN INCREASE IN, IN, IN HIGH PRODUCTION, UH, SORT OF PASTI PASTICHE TYPE ADDITIONS. UH, OR A DECORATIVE, DECORATIVE ELEMENTS WHERE CRAFTSMAN SAID, NO, THE STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE THE, THE ELEMENT THAT IS DECORATIVE. AND HERE WE HAVE NO EXPRESSION OF THAT. UM, SO THAT'S THAT ONE I CAN'T GIVE YOU ON THIS ONE. UM, WHAT DO WE HAVE IN CRAFTSMAN? WE HAVE WIDE FRONT PORCHES THAT ACTUALLY BECOME SORT OF A, A WAY OF LEVERAGING A, A VERY SMALL INTERIOR FLOOR PLAN AND BECOME A SORT OF AN OCCUPIABLE ROOM ON THE OUTSIDE. AND WHILE YOU HAVE THAT HERE, IT, IT DOES NOT REALLY SET UP FOR LIKE, WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE SCREEN, YOU'D HAVE THE, THE PORCH SEATING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT FEELS LIKE IT IS A PLACE THAT YOU SORT OF PASS THROUGH. AND SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ON THE CUSP OF HAVING ME KIND OF BEHIND YOU ON IT, BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I THINK ARE KIND OF FUNDAMENTALLY MISSING. THERE ARE OTHER ELEMENTS LIKE TAPERED COLUMNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK STAFF EVEN PICKS UP ON THAT. THOSE BECOME PRETTY IDENTIFIABLE WITHIN THE CRAFTSMAN LANGUAGE, BUT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD FIND A TRANSLATION IN A MINIMALIST AND CONTEMPORARY WAY, I THINK WITH SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION, UH, FOUR OVER ONE OR SIX OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS. UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO THE WOOD OR WOOD CLAD, UH, OR SORRY, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. ARE THEY DOUBLE HUNG THAT YOU'RE CALLING FOR OR ARE THEY GONNA BE LARGE PICTURE GLASS? WE HAVE A MIX OF, UH, FIXED WINDOWS AND, UH, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS. UM, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THEIR POSITION WITHIN OUR FLOOR PLAN AND ELEVATIONS. UM, I, I KNOW THIS COMMISSION SEES A LOT OF PROJECTS, BUT, UM, WE DID EXPLORE HAVING A LARGE, ONE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT, UM, SIX, 11 [01:10:01] MONTHS, SEE, AND WE TONED IT DOWN. WE TOOK FEEDBACK FROM THAT PROJECT AND BROKE IT UP INTO, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO A PICTURE WINDOW. LET'S USE A SIMILAR PROPORTION SCALE TO, YOU KNOW, UM, TRIPLE GANG OR DOUBLE GANG WINDOWS, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, IN TERMS OF, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK. UM, WE, LET, LET ME FINISH JUST OF COURSE, BECAUSE COUPLE OF SURE THINK CHARACTERISTICS OF, OF, UH, THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE THAT I DO THINK YOU'RE HITTING UPON IS THAT USE OF THE SHINGLES AND ALSO SORT OF AN INVENTIVE USE OF A COLLAGE OF MATERIALS. SO I THINK THAT IS IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, A, A WIN IN YOUR CATEGORY THERE. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPRESS IS I THINK THERE IS, UH, UH, AN INTERESTING CONCEPT HERE AND INSPIRATION. UM, AND THAT'S ALWAYS REFRESHING IN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHERWISE FAIRLY BANAL WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN. AND SO I THINK, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO BE COMMENDED HERE, BUT I THINK THERE ARE A FEW THINGS IF GOING BACK AND REALLY STUDYING THAT IDEA OF HOW DO I TRANSLATE, UH, CRAFTSMEN INTO AN INDUSTRIAL CON, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL SLASH NEIGHBORHOOD AND MINIMALIST LANGUAGE. AND SO IT'S JUST ON THE CUSP FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO FULLY SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. GOT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. YES, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS SOME GREAT, GREAT COMMENTS AND I'LL TRY TO FOLLOW, UM, GOING FROM THE LARGER SCALE, I'M GONNA ZERO IN SMALLER AND SMALLER SCALE FROM THE VERY LARGEST SCALE. I'LL HAVE TO SAY THAT YOUR, YOUR SIGHTING OF THE SINGLE FAMILY OR, UM, UH, FREESTANDING HOUSE IS EXCELLENT. YOU'VE TAKEN THE CUES PROPERLY FROM THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. THAT'S STILL LEGIBLE. EVEN THOUGH WE'VE GOT VACANT LOTS, THAT PATTERN IS LEGIBLE. AND BY INSERTING A FREESTANDING HOUSE, WHETHER IT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR IF IT GOES DUPLEX OR WHATEVER, UM, USE IS, UM, IRRELEVANT, UM, IS WHAT GREAT INFILL IS. THAT'S WHAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ENCOURAGE, AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, WE LIKE TO SEE IS THAT INFILL THAT REPLACES, UM, THE, UM, THE TYPOLOGY INTO THAT SETTING. SO I DO WANNA SAY, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. UM, GOING BACK TO, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, CARPENTER'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE ARTS AND CRAFTS INFLUENCE, UM, AND, AND LANGUAGE, I DO THINK THAT PART OF THAT IS ALWAYS THAT FRONT PORCH, RIGHT? SO GOING BACK TO THE FRONT PORCH IN THIS SETTING OR IN THE, THE RENDERING SETTING, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE HOW THAT FRONT PORCH RELATES IN SCALE TO THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE WEST. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP US, IF WE COULD SEE THAT SIDE BY SIDE, EVEN IF IT'S A LINE DRAWING, UH, VIA AN ELEVATION, STREET ELEVATION, THAT WOULD HELP GIVE US A SENSE OF A BETTER SENSE OF THE SCALE THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING WITH YOUR PORCH, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT A HUMAN SCALE, SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LARGE, IT LOOKS VERY OPEN AND, AND, UM, EXPOSED EVEN, WHICH IS KIND OF COUNTER TO THAT ARTS AND CRAFT SENSE OF BEING SHELTERED. SO, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST AN EXERCISE OF AN ELEVATION TO SEE HOW THAT SCALE PLAYS OUT AND THE RELATIONSHIP, THE TRUE RELATIONSHIP OF A PORCH TO ITS ASSOCIATED HOUSE, THE PRIMARY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THAT PORCH? UM, FOR MATERIALS? UH, AGAIN, UM, I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO SHINGLE. WE DON'T SEE IT ANYMORE. UM, BUT I AM CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT THE WINDOWS. AND I KNOW THE, THE IDEA OF HAVING A, A VERY OPEN PICTURE WINDOW EXPERIENCE ON THE INSIDE SEEMS TO BE IMPORTANT. UH, BUT IT, THAT WINDOW AS IT IS SUBDIVIDED, WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE HUNG, WHETHER IT'S ONE DOUBLE HUNG, ONE OVER ONE OR TWO, FOUR, WHATEVER OVER, UM, IS WHAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE SENSE OF SCALE OR TO THE ABILITY TO CREATE SCALE. I THINK THAT, UM, THE PORCH AND THE WINDOWS AT THAT FRONT ELEVATION THAT, UM, WANTS TO, UM, GIVE US A MORE HUMAN SCALE AND AGAIN, PLACE IT NEXT TO, WHAT IS IT, THE HOUSE ON THE WEST, AND YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF VACANT LOTS BEFORE YOU HIT YOUR FOLK VICTORIAN. IF YOU INCLUDE THAT, IT MIGHT BE A GREAT EXERCISE TO CONFIRM WHETHER THAT HEIGHT AND THAT SCALE OF THAT PORCH IS, IS GOING TO WORK THE WAY YOU THINK IT'S [01:15:01] GOING TO WORK. GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. YEP. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. MR. CHAR, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE, KIND OF THE ISSUE OF EQUITY HERE. YOU KNOW, IN, UH, MR. ZIGA IN, UH, I DON'T KNOW, 18, 18 10, THERE WAS A, A YOUNG CAPTAIN THAT WAS VERY AMBITIOUS, AND HE WANTED TO BE THE, UH, WANTED TO BE A GENERAL HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, WHICH WAS THE . BUT WHAT HE DIDN'T REALIZE WAS THAT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE HE WASN'T SPANISH BORN. IF HE HAD BEEN BORN IN SPAIN, HE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE A GENERAL, WHEN DIGNITY HILL WAS BUILT, THERE WERE A LOT OF YOUNG LATINOS THAT WANTED TO BE ARCHITECTS. BUT THE WORLD BEING THE WAY THAT IT WAS THERE, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS FOR THE MOST PART AN IMPOSSIBILITY AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT HAVE KEPT MINORITY PARTICIPATION AT BAY. AND I DON'T SEE YOUR, UH, SITUATION HERE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THAT BECAUSE IF STAFF CAN GO TO THE IMAGE THAT WAS ON THE PAGE A SECOND AGO, , THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE DISSOLVING OF, OF PARTICULAR STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE. AND I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO PSYCHOANALYZE YOU, BUT AS AN ACADEMIC, AS I'M SURE YOU, YOU'VE BEEN AN ACADEMIC, IT'S APPARENT THAT YOU'RE DISSOLVING SOMETHING IN THE CONTEXT OF SOMETHING. AND I LOOK AT THAT LIKE, LIKE SHOOTING POOL WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S STICK AND BEATING THEM. THE ONLY THING IS, IF YOU WERE SHOOTING POOL, IT WOULD BE ON THE TABLE. THERE WOULDN'T BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE SITTING AROUND YOU THAT COULD SAY, WELL, IF YOU HAD SHUT THAT BETTER, I'D GIVE YOU MORE POINTS. I, I APPRECIATE THE LINE. I KNOW IT'S JUST AN ANIMATION, BUT I APPRECIATE THE TOP LINE WHERE THAT SKY BLUE CONNECTS WITH THE WHITE WALL AND THE DARK FASCIA BOARD, BECAUSE IT, IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE DISSOLVING, THE WAY THAT THE DARK WALL HITS THE WHITE WALL. IT'S JUST A FLAT PLANE, BUT IT'S EQUAL TO THE WAY THAT YOUR ROOF LINE FALLS VERTICALLY RIGHT OFF THE DIAGONAL. SO YOU'RE CLEARLY ENGAGED IN THE EVOLUTION OF ARCHITECTURE IN SAN ANTONIO, PARTICULARLY HOW IT SETS IN ITS PLACE ITS OWN IDENTITY TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW IN THE CONTEXT OF A COLONIAL OR A SEGREGATION ERA COMMUNITY. AND I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TELL YOU TO GAIN THE, THE VOICE THAT YOU NEED OR TO GAIN THE, THE STRENGTH THAT YOU NEED FOR, FOR YOUR PART IN THE EVOLUTION OF ARCHITECTURE IN SAN ANTONIO TO, TO ROLL. BECAUSE AS MUCH AS YOU COME HERE, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE YOUNG ASPIRING LATINO ARCHITECTS THAT WILL FOLLOW YOUR LEAD. UM, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR THIS, UM, PROJECT MR. CHAIR NOT TO BE, UM, APPROVED IF FOR NOTHING ELSE WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF TOLERANCE, IF STAFF COULD GO TO THE IMAGE THAT IS THE ANIMATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT SHOWS THE YELLOW HOUSE. I AM, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE A PAGE NUMBER? YOU WANNA BE THE NEXT, NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S A PICTURE IN HERE, . IS IT FROM THE GUIDELINES? THE IT COULD SHEET THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW. UM, THERE'S A PICTURE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, FORGIVE ME. I THINK THAT I, I WENT ONLINE. OKAY. AND I'M SEEING SOMETHING WHEN I WAS ONLINE. [01:20:01] UM, LET ME JUST ADD ONE, ONE LAST PIECE AND YOU KNOW, KIND OF BEG THE TOLERANCE OF THIS COMMISSION. WHEN YOU COME FROM COMMUNITIES WHERE YOUR OUTLOOK, OR YOUR OUTLOOK, I GUESS IS, IS HOLISTIC. IT PROVIDES YOU WITH ONE BASELINE OF EXPECTATION. BUT WHEN YOU COME FROM MINORITY COMMUNITIES IN SAN ANTONIO, MUCH OF THOSE COMMUNITIES DEALT WITH LIFE AS IT COULD BE IN THE URBAN PATTERN BECAUSE CODE DIDN'T COME OUT TO YOUR PLACE. THERE, THERE WASN'T A STRONG REGULATION OF CODE IN THAT THE FABRIC IS INTEGRATED. IT'S, IT'S ALMOST A MISHMASH WHERE THOSE COMMUNITIES HAD TO FIND THEIR OWN AESTHETIC. I THINK THIS PROJECT REALLY VERY TASTEFULLY, AND I DON'T MEAN TO PSYCHOANALYZE YOU, 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY THE PROCE THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE DESIGN PROCESS. BUT I, I FEEL AT HOME IN WHAT SAN ANTONIO HAS SHOWN ME WITH RESPECT TO MY OPINION WITH THIS, UH, PARTICULAR APPLICANT. I HOPE THAT WE CAN EMPOWER EXPRESSION. I HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE THE TOLERANCE FOR INCLUSION. AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT NEW EXPRESSION FROM MY NEW PARTICIPATION FROM MINORITY COMMUNITIES IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFERENT. AND IF WE TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF INCLUSION THAT WE TALK ABOUT, THEN THESE OPEN PROPERTIES ARE FAIR GAME AS, ESPECIALLY WHEN SUCH A, UH, UH, AN APPLICANT, UH, PROVIDES US WITH, UH, A PRESENTATION THAT SHOWS, UH, LOCAL AND, AND SAN ANTONIO GUIDELINE IMAGES THAT, UM, THAT FULLY SUPPORT WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO US. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TELL YOU, MR. ZIGA, THERE'S A FAVORITE PART OF THE MOVIE, AMADEUS, WHERE THE, THE ROYALTY TELLS AMADEUS IT, IT'S JUST GOT TOO MANY NOTES. JUST CUT A FEW. AND, UH, UH, MOZART TELLS HIM, UH, WHICH ONES, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS YOUR COMPOSITION AND, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE CELEBRATED AND NOT, NOT, UH, CRITIQUED TO THE LEVEL OF, UM, IMITATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER GROUP? SORRY, I WANNA KEEP WITHIN OUR PURVIEW HERE. UM, I THINK I AGREE MOSTLY WITH, UM, OTHER COM COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. UM, I THINK STAFF'S GOT IT RIGHT. UM, MR. C I'M NOT CRITICIZING YOU AS AN ARCHITECT AT ALL. I'M PART OF THE SAME MINORITY GROUP THAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS MENTIONING. UM, I THINK OUR PREVIOUS PROJECT, ANY ARCHITECT WOULD COME AND, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE IT. I ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DO AGREE THAT IT'S IN THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK SOME OF THESE THAT COULD SUPPORT SOME OF IT, UM, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS, BUT I WOULD KEEP, UM, STIPULATION, AT LEAST STIPULATION THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. UM, STIMULATION ONE AND TWO KIND OF GO WITH WHAT SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS ALSO HAD SOME CONCERNS. UM, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS WE COULD PROBABLY SEE SOME FLEXIBILITY JUST BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS IN OUTSKIRTS. NOW, MR. CIGA HAS USED THIS AGAINST US BECAUSE THEN HE SAYS, WE APPROVE THIS, AND THEN HE COMES IN ASK FOR A PROJECT FURTHER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND USES THAT. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT MR. CIGA, YOU UNDERSTAND, WHICH CHAPA ALWAYS SAID IS WE LOOK AT EACH PROBABLY INDIVIDUALLY AND THE CONTEXT OF WHERE THEY ARE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT IN THIS PROJECT. UH, WE'RE FULLY AWARE AND WE JUST ASK FOR, UM, FOR IT TO BE LOOKED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THANK YOU. UH, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE HERE VIRTUALLY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? IT'S, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, COMMAND YOU ON YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, YOU'VE ADDRESSED LOTS OF THE ISSUES THAT COME UP WITH NEW PROJECTS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS SUCH AS [01:25:01] MASSING, SETBACKS, UH, CONTEXT, AND, UH, COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UH, I THINK THIS PROJECT GOES A LONG WAY IN ADDRESSING LOTS OF THE, UH, ISSUES THAT GENERALLY COME UP IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND, UM, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT, UH, WITH, AS COMMISSIONER GRU SAID, WITH STIPULATIONS, UH, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR, UM, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I, I SUPPORT, UH, THAT GENERAL DIRECTION AND I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. DO I GET A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMISSIONER, UM, FEEDBACK OR CONCERNS PRIOR TO, UH, UH, AN ACTION OR, OR A MOTION BEING TAKEN? CAN I SECOND THE MOTION BEFORE THAT WAY? UH, NO, THAT'S NOT THE WAY THIS WORKS AS A PUBLIC PROCESS, MA'AM. UH, LET ME CHECK WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL. WE USUALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO COUNTER, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THAT SOMEONE TRIES TO DO THAT. YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ANY COMMISSIONER CONCERNS YOU DO, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES, SIR. MR. EGAN, UM, I WANNA START OFF BY THANKING EVERYONE FOR THEIR COMMENTS. THE POSITIVES, THE, THE, THE CONCERNS. EVERYONE. I MEAN, THIS IS A PUBLIC PROCESS. UM, SO THANK YOU ALL OF YOU SINCERELY. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS. UM, I THINK OUR GRAPHICS AND, UH, ILLUSTRATIONS DO SHOW SOME OF THE INSPIRATION AND WHERE IT CAME FROM. UM, I KNOW, UH, CHAR, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS ON THE LOW SLOPE ROOFS FOR THE CRAFTSMEN. WE CALL IT CRAFTSMEN BECAUSE IT WAS THE CLOSEST THING THAT WE WERE MINIMALIZING OR WATERING DOWN, RIGHT? SO FROM A ACADEMIC PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALMOST DECONSTRUCTING ARCHITECTURE AND TAKING IT DOWN TO ITS COMPONENTS, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT CRAFTSMAN WAS ATTEMPTING TO DO, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF WHERE THE A 12 PITCH COME CAME FROM. WE WE'RE FULLY AWARE THAT CRAFTSMAN IS THREE 12 TO SIX 12. WE WENT WITH A 12 TO TRY TO TIE THE FOLK VICTORIAN AND THE CRAFTSMEN THAT ARE, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS CONTEXT WITHIN THE LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S OUR ONLY CONTEXT. I THINK, UM, CHAIRMAN GUARINO, UM, WHO'S NO LONGER SERVING, HE WOULD CALL IT THIS BLOCK, IS MISSING TEETH, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE LOSING OR MISSING CONTEXT. AND THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE. AND IT'S DEFINITELY NOT ME TRYING TO USE THIS AGAINST THE COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE. IT'S MORE, AGAIN, CASE BY CASE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY. UM, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT OP OPPORTUNITY TO DO CONTEMPORARY, SOMEWHAT MINIMALISTIC, MODERN ARCHITECTURE IN, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT HERE WHERE, RIGHT, WHERE CAN WE DO IT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? IF WE'RE FULLY WITHIN IN THE HEART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S GONNA BE MORE OUTTA PLACE, RIGHT? I THINK THESE LOTS CREATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TRANSITION THESE FRINGE CONDITIONS, CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE, TO BE CREATIVE. UM, WE KNOW THE PORCH MASKING ISN'T WHAT WOULD BE FOUND HISTORICALLY, BUT THAT WAS FULLY INTENTIONAL. THAT WAS DONE AS ARTISTIC EXPRESSION. UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PRECEDENT OF THE RURAL SETTING, UM, THEY DID CLIP OFF THE EAVES AT THE PORCH ONLY, AND WE KEPT THE EAVES AT THE LARGE MASSING. AND IT WASN'T THE INTENT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A MODERN EDITION, EVEN THOUGH NOW THAT THAT CAME UP IN CONVERSATION, IT COULD SHOW UP THAT WAY. BUT IT WAS REALLY MORE TO DISTINGUISH, UM, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND A NON HISTORIC STRUCTURE. AND WE, WE DID DRAW INSPIRATION FROM THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE MASSES AND PROPORTIONS ARE VERY, UM, REFINED. THEY'RE, THE EAVES ARE SCALED BACK. UM, COULD WE SWITCH TO THAT SLIDE? I THINK IT WAS PAGE 21. UH, NO, THEN ONE BEFORE THAT, A FEW BEFORE THAT , UH, THAT ONE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE YELLOW STUCCO HOUSE WITH THE BRICK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, THERE AREN'T ANY EAVES THERE, THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHITE STUCCO HOUSE, THERE'S EAVES, THERE'S A COMBINATION OF EAVES AND, AND SHALLOWER OVERHANGS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE INTENT BEHIND THAT. YOU KNOW, IT, I'M WILLING TO GIVE UP THE PICTURE WINDOWS IF WE CAN KEEP THE PORSCHE MASSING, BECAUSE I THINK FOR THIS PROJECT, THE PORCH MASSING IS MORE IMPORTANT. UM, ONE, ONE CLARIFICATION. YES, SIR. THE MOTION WAS [01:30:02] TO LEAVE OFF THE STIPULATIONS ABOUT THE PORCH. RIGHT? RIGHT. UM, WHICH MEANS YOUR PORCH PROPOSAL IS APPROVED. IF THIS MOTION GOES THROUGH, THEN I, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I, I STILL WANTED TO EXPRESS, UM, MY THOUGHTS ON THE PROCESS. THAT'S FINE. AND I'D PREFER TO KEEP THE PICTURE WINDOWS BY ALL MEANS, BECAUSE THE MISS, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINA'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT MAKES, IT MAKES A WORLD OF A DIFFERENCE HOW YOU EXPERIENCE THE ARCHITECTURE FROM THE INSIDE. UM, IN TERMS OF SCALE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PRIORITY FOR THIS PROJECT WAS, UM, 10 FOOT CEILINGS. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS SCALE CAME FROM. AND 10 FOOT CEILINGS ARE VERY COMMON IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THOUGH THE FENCE, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A FRESH TOPIC. WE WERE JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH STAFF ON THIS, UH, YESTERDAY AS A MATTER OF FACT. SO, UM, SO THE WAY OUR LOT IS POSITIONED AND ALSO OUR FRONT PORCH, RIGHT? UH, WE READ THROUGH THE STAFF'S POLICY GUIDELINE ON THE FENCING FRONT YARD FENCING, AND WE UNDERSTAND THE NEW KIND OF PREFERRED DIRECTION WOULD BE TO HAVE THE FENCE TURN IN AT THE, UH, DRIVEWAY. IN OUR SITUATION THOUGH, IF WE DO THAT, IT, THE PORSCHE REMAINS OPEN. SO ONE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY ONE OF OUR FENCE INSTALLERS ON SIX 11 MUNCIE WAS THAT, HEY, IF YOU DO IT THIS WAY, THE, THE PORCH IS OPEN. IT'S NO LONGER PRIVATE. IF THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE PETS OR CHILDREN, THEY CAN'T JUST COME OUT AND ENJOY THE FRONT PORCH AS, AS, AS EASILY, RIGHT? SO, UM, THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FENCE. SO THERE IS A, AN EXISTING FENCE THAT GOES ON THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, AND THE, OUR ADJACENT NEIGHBOR HAS A SIMILAR CONDITION WHERE THE FENCE CONTINUES ALONG THE, SO WE WANTED TO PRESENT OUR CASE FOR HOW THIS CAME ABOUT, UM, AND WHY WE'RE REQUESTING IT THIS WAY. AND LASTLY, I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THAT LAST SLIDE. YOU KNOW, IF I KNOW THE PICTURE WINDOWS CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, UM, OF HOW YOU EXPERIENCE THE ARCHITECTURE, FOR ME, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A WAY TO MINIMALIZE THE WINDOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE A, A SIMILAR PROPORTION, BUT IT'S, WE'RE REMOVING, UH, A DIVIDED A, A DIVIDER, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT CREATES A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE NEW ARCHITECTURE AND THE OLD. BUT I, COULD YOU GO TO THE LAST SLIDE OR THE NEXT SLIDE? YOU KNOW, THIS JUST SHOWS, RIGHT? IT'S A VERY CRUDE DEFINITION OF ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT? AND ART, LET'S SEE, ART'S, THE EXPRESSION OF HUMAN CREATIVE SKILL AND IMAGINATION AT IT'S VERY CRUDE LEVEL. I'LL ASK, YOU KNOW, DON'T TAKE THE ART OUT OF THIS PROCESS OR ELSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT, WHAT ARE WE LEFT WITH BETWEEN IF YOU JUST HAVE SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING? OKAY, THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU MADE A MOTION. UH, DO YOU WISH TO KEEP IT AS IS OR AMEND IT BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT? CAN WE CLARIFY WITH STAFF IF MY SECOND HOLDS OR THEIR LEGAL YES, I THINK WE HEARD IT. THERE IS A SECOND ON THE TABLE. YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, NO, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE MOTION THAT'S, THAT'S MADE AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THAT. IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE, ARE MORE COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITHOUT ANY STIPULATIONS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO VOTE NO ON THIS MOTION AND WE CAN TAKE UP ANOTHER MOTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? MR. MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU CONFIRM WHAT THAT MOTION IS? SO IT WAS APPROVAL, UM, WITH STIPULATIONS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. WELL, MR. CHAIR, IF WE'RE YES, SIR. IF WE'RE IN A, IN THE, UH, DISCUSSION ASPECT OF IT, UM, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE IT'S VERY CLEAR. THREE, IS IT, IT'S, IT'S A SERIOUS SITUATION FOR AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UM, MORE PERSONAL PREFERENCE THAN IT IS GUIDELINE FOR, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE NEAREST, UH, THAT SUBSTANTIATE FOUR AND, AND, AND FIVE SEEMS TO BE A BIT MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, OF A, A, [01:35:01] A POINT OF NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE WIDTH OF A, YOU KNOW, OF, OF PROPOSED ITEMS. UM, THAT, THAT I'M SURE CAN BE, UM, NEGOTIATED OR WORKED OUT WITH STAFF IF WE REALLY GET TO THE SPIRIT OF, OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US ON THAT PAGE. RIGHT, RIGHT THERE, IT, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE MORE RELATED TO, UM, I, ITEMS THAT KIND OF GIVE THE INS GIVE THE, THE FEELING THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING SOME RULES, BUT IN REALITY, WE STEP INTO PREFERENCE MORE THAN ANYTHING. THEY, THEY DON'T CHANGE THE SPIRIT OF WHAT IS BEFORE US MATERIALLY. THEY, THEY DON'T CHANGE, CHANGE THAT. AND, AND OUR, OUR KIND OF CHOICE, I THINK IS TO EITHER APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THE HOLISTIC STATEMENT THAT IS THE ARCHITECTURE BEFORE US, OR TO MUDDLE IT, TO PERVERT IT TO BE SOMEWHAT WHAT WE CAN SAY OUR HAND TOUCHED, WHEN IN REALITY OUR HAND SHOULDN'T BE TOUCHING THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT. PARTICULARLY THAT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION. I, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CONFIDENCE TO SAY THAT THE MOTION WILL FAIL AND THEN WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER MOTION. UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE, THE, THE, UM, ABILITY OF THIS APPLICANT TO MOVE ON WITH THIS PROJECT. BUT I, ON, ON PRINCIPLE, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT'S MORE CEREMONIAL THAN MATERIAL. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT A JURY IN A, IN A, IN AN ACADEMIC SETTING. OKAY, WELL THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. YES, SIR. UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN POSSIBLY AN AMENDMENT? UH, ONE IS THAT THE WINDOWS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE PICTURE WINDOWS INTO THE LIVING ROOM COULD REMAIN, UH, UNDIVIDED AS PROPOSED. THE OTHER WINDOWS DOWN THE SIDES COULD BE THE ONE OVER ONES. AND THEN THE OTHER, UH, SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO PUSH THE DRIVEWAY GATE BACK, UH, SO THAT THE PORCH IS WITHIN THE FENCED AREA. SO INSTEAD OF AT THE REAR OF THE PORCH, BASICALLY AT THE FRONT OF THE PORCH. MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I RESPOND TO THE REQUEST AT LEAST FOR THE FENCE FIRST? YES. SO THE GUIDELINE, THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT THE FENCE SHOULD TURN AT THE DRIVEWAY AND THE GATE SHOULD BE PASSED AT THE FRONT OR THE FACE OF THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WE ENCOUNTER LOTS OF CONDITIONS IN EXISTING CONDITIONS WHERE WE DEAL WITH, WITH FENCES, AND WE ALLOW THE GATE ACROSS THE GATE BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR RELATIONSHIP TO THE PORCH AND THE GATE. I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE SAME, UH, RATIONALE HOLDS GIVEN THAT THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO I HESITATE TO, TO DROP ALL STIPULATIONS. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STIPULATION FIVE, COULD STAFF PUT STIPULATION FIVE ON THE SCREEN? WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE LEFT? WELL, I BELIEVE MR. ZIGA HAS, UH, ACCEPTED STIPULATION. FIVE. YES. AND THAT'S JUST THE, THE MATERIAL. SO ESSENTIALLY THAT'S THE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED? YES. THAT'S THE REQUEST FOR THE AMENDMENT. YES. MR. CHAIR, CAN WE JUST TAKE A VOTE AND SEE HOW IT GOES? MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT FENCE FOR THE DRIVEWAY THERE. SO, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STIPULATION, WE WANT THE, THE STAFF IS ASKING FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO BE PUT BACK TO A POINT WHERE THE CAR PARKED THERE WOULD BE EXPOSED TO THE PUBLIC? CORRECT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SO JUST TO CLARIFY, BEFORE THERE'S A VOTE, THERE WEREN'T AMENDMENTS TO THE MOTION ORIGINALLY, SO THIS IS STILL A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. MR. CHAIR, THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE, THE REQUESTED AMENDMENT BY CHAIR HADN'T COMPLETED YET, IT NEEDS TO COMPLETE. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? [01:40:01] WELL, JUST THAT I, I FIND, UH, THE CHAIRMAN'S, UH, UH, REQUESTED AMENDMENT TO BE, UH, UH, PRUDENT AND FAIR. THAT'S MY COMMENT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS A JUST TO REPEAT, THAT WAS A NAY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. FISH. AYE. SINA. AYE. VELASQUEZ, THIS IS WITHOUT AMENDMENT OR THIS IS WITH AMENDMENT? THERE WAS NEVER ANOTHER MOTION. SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS. THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE. OKAY. NAY CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES, NO. FETZER, NAYYY AND UNE NAYYY. MOTION FAILS. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MOTION? YES, SIR. I'D, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, A, UH, MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED WITH STIPULATION NUMBER FIVE. I SECOND THAT AS PRESENTED WITH STIPULATION NUMBER FIVE PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. FISH A SORT THAT, WAS THAT A I OR A? A NAY. OKAY. LOUD UNCLEAR. SABINA NAY. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ABSENT? AYE. CARPENTER. NAYYY GRO. NAYYY CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND UNE NAY. MOTION FAILS. SO THAT WAS FIVE TO FIVE. THAT WAS FIVE. FIVE. CAN I ASK COMMISSIONER LUNE, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YES, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO DO THAT. UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH ALL FIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MR. MR. CHAIR? I, I, UM, I, I JUST KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO, JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, GO ON THE RECORD, WHICH WE, WE KNOW DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING E EVEN THOUGH IT SHOULD, UM, THAT ANYONE VIEWING THE FIRST MOTION, THE SECOND MOTION, AND THE THIRD MOTION, I THINK WOULD GET THE SENSE OF A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PROPER TO SAY A KANGAROO COURT. IT MAKES NO SENSE THERE. IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE. IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TO ME, UM, OFFENSIVE AND IT'S, UM, UH, UM, IT'S, IT, IT'S NOT RESPECTFUL OF, OF ARCHITECTURE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. I HAVE AN EXTRA COMMENT. YES. COMM COMMISSIONER CERVANTES WITH REGARDS TO THE CAR, THE FENCE OF THE CAR, IT'S, IT'S JUST HAVING A CAR EXPOSED IN, IN, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, THERE ARE BREAK-INS ALL THE TIME. I THINK THAT FENCE IS, IS FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT EVEN TALKING FROM AN A ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT A COMMON SENSE STANDPOINT. YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULDN'T LEAVE YOUR CAR EXPOSED LIKE THAT. THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT TO THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE. ONE MORE TIME. REPEAT PLEASE. AYE. SINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. NAY. OLAS ABSENT. [01:45:01] MCA NAY. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE. NO. FETZER, NAYYY AND LA AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF MOTIONS JUST TO CLARIFY. SO WE'RE APPROVED BUT WE HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING TO ITS STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING. THAT'S THE MOTION? YES SIR. THAT'S THE MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 18. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF SOMETHING CO UH, CO. CORY CAN A SITUATION LIKE, LIKE THIS GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR AN APPLICANT? UM, AN APPLICANT CAN APPEAL THE DECISION TO THE B O A. THANK YOU CORY. APPRECIATE IT. AGENDA ITEM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 20 22 DASH 0 4 2 2 34. DONALDSON. HI, THE APPLICANT, THIS IS KRISTA EMIG, THE OWNER. ONE MOMENT PLEASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL, OH, SORRY. READ STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, 2 34 DONALDSON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CLAY TILE ROOF WITH A NEW AND NON NEW CONCRETE TILE ROOF. UH, STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR A PLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING CLAY TILE ROOF WITH NEW CONCRETE TILES BASED ON FINDINGS B AND C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ROOF BE REPLACED USING IN-KIND MATERIALS I E RED CLAY TILES AND THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN AND REUSE HISTORIC OR SALVAGE MATERIALS. THE NEW ROOFING MATERIAL SHOULD MATCH THE EXISTING ROOF MATERIAL IN SCALE, COLOR, TEXTURE, PROFILE, AND STYLE. UM, THE HOMEOWNER, KRISTA EMIG AND THE CONTRACTOR REPRESENTATIVES, UM, CHRIS MARK MARKOWSKI AND FERNANDO ZARO ARE IN ATTENDANCE VIRTUALLY. UH, THERE'S ALSO ONE VOICEMAIL AND OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE. UH, KRISTA, YOU CAN SPEAK AT THIS TIME. OH, OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, I THINK CHRIS TEXTED ME AS HIS PHONE WAS DYING, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S HERE. UM, SO THIS STARTED LAST YEAR, UH, I WANNA SAY MARCH, APRIL WHEN, UM, IT WAS AFTER THE GREAT FREEZE, UM, WHEN MY ROOF STARTED LEAKING AND THE BACK PORTION, SO THAT PICTURE STAYED RIGHT. OH, GO BACK. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE, UM, TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT LITTLE PIECE OF MY, UH, THAT'S MY LIVING ROOM TO THE RIGHT SIDE IS, UM, WHERE MY, THE ROOF SEPARATED FROM WHERE IT ADJOINS THE NEXT WALL. UM, AND I HAD WATER COMING IN, SO I CONTACTED ROOFING COMPANY. THEY INDICATED THAT IT WAS A STRUCTURAL ISSUE. I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, HAD STRUCTURAL WORK DONE, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED. AND UH, AFTER THE STRUCTURAL WORK WAS COMPLETED 30, THEY, THE ROOFERS SAID TO WAIT, UH, 30 DAYS MINIMUM TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING SETTLES OUT BEFORE THEY ATTEMPT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE ROOF ON. AND SO HERE WE ARE. UM, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY DID A, THEY MADE A PROPOSAL TO ME AND UM, I'M NOW AT A CRITICAL POINT. UH, MY ROOF HAS BEGUN LEAKING AGAIN. SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS RESOLVED. AND ON THE CONCRETE, MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, IS THAT THE CONCRETE TILE IS MORE DURABLE. UM, IT IS AS SIMILAR AS I, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OUR BEAUTIFUL PLAY TILE THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH THAT CAN BE SALVAGED. UM, OR THERE IS ENOUGH THAT CAN BE SALVAGED, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME. AND, UM, THE ROOFER INDICATES THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO, UH, PROCURE LIKE TILES ON. SO THIS IS AN ITTY BITTY PIECE OF MY ROOF THAT FACES THE STREET. I MEAN, COMPARED TO THE, THE ENTIRE ROOF AREA ON THEY MATCH IN COLOR. AND SO I GUESS, UM, WHAT DO I DO? BECAUSE DO I, I GUESS RIGHT NOW DO I GO TO LOWE'S AND BUY BLUE TARP AND DRAPE IT OVER MY HOUSE? UM, I GUESS WHAT'S MY NEXT MOVE? THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YOU SAID WE HAD A VOICEMAIL? [01:50:02] YES. ONE VOICEMAIL. YES. THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND OFFER COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, OUR PRESIDENT, AND THE N P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. THIS IS IN REGARDING PROPERTY TWO, UH, LOCATED AT 2 3 4 DONALDSON, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 42. UH, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHICH DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING CLAY TILE ROOF WITH CONCRETE TILES. UM, AND BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS OF THEIR FINDINGS. SO WE SUPPORT THEM AND WE ALSO OFFER THE FOLLOWING CAUTIONARY NOTE TOO. UH, CONCRETE TILES CAN, THEIR LOADING HAS IMPLICATIONS ON THE STRESSES OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOME LOCATED AT 2 34 DONALDSON AND COULD HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE OVERALL STRUCTURAL STABILITY. THERE IS ONLY A SMALL SECTION OF TILE ON THIS HOME AND IT'S VERY CHARACTER DEFINING WITH ITS PATINA, ITS SHAPE, ITS CHARACTER. IT IS A VERY UNIQUE TRAIT TO THIS HOME. AND THIS HOME AS IT STANDS BY ITSELF, IS ALSO HIGHLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF MONTICELLO PARK. WE'RE VERY THANKFUL FOR HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HOMES AND WE HOPE THAT THERE IS, UH, A PATH FORWARD FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, TO RETAIN THE EXISTING TILES AND REPLACE WITH IN KIND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO H C R C AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIR? THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. YES, SIR. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, MA'AM, DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY WHEN YOU STATED THAT, UM, THE TILE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THAT UM, THE, UM, THE REPAIR CANNOT BE FOUND? IS, IS, AM I HEARING YOU CORRECTLY? UH, SO IF THE CONTRACTOR IS HERE, I WOULD DEFER TO THEM. UM, THEY INDICATED THAT THEY, UM, WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND A SOURCE FOR, UH, MATCHING THOSE OLDER STYLE TILES. OKAY. UM, CHRIS OR FERNANDO, ARE YOU, UM, ONLINE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY? I THINK CHRIS, UH, DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA BE A, HE WAS GONNA BE ON FOR, UH, TWO HOURS AND HIS BATTERY DIED ON HIS PHONE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF FERNANDO IS HERE. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH, I, AND, AND I KIND OF FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, I MEAN THIS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY , UM, IS THE FRONT OF THE HOME, WHICH IS WHY I AM, I'M HAVE A TENDENCY TO STAFF HAS THIS ONE. RIGHT. UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IS THERE A WAY THAT, UM, WE CAN GIVE THE APPLICANT, I MEAN WE CAN IMPROVE IT, GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND SOMETHING SIMILAR BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME. AND I THINK THAT IF SHE FINDS SOME TILES, THERE JUST IS RED CLAY TILE BUT DOESN'T HAVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BROWN TONES INTO IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY CAN'T FIND, MAYBE IT'S NOT THE EXACT ONE, BUT I'M SURE THAT WE CAN FIND CONCRETE CLAY TILES. MR. CHAIRMAN, CONCRETE CLAY TILES OR CLAY TILES. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CLAY TILES AS MUCH AS YOU CAN AND THEN IF, BECAUSE, UM, SO I THINK THERE WAS A HOUSE ON CLUB THAT WE APPROVED. UH, IT WAS THE SAME THING. AND I THINK WHAT THEY, THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO FIND, THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO FIND, UM, THE TILES AND I THINK MAYBE WE DID APPROVE SOME CONCRETE TILE, BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF ALSO, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU FIND, THE CONCRETE TILES WON'T WORK HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE ROOF, UM, LINE UNDERNEATH. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND THE CLAY TILES. UM, SO BASICALLY IS I'M, WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS WE DO A MOTION WITH, YOU [01:55:01] KNOW, APPROVE AS, UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATION, BUT GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO, UM, DISCUSS WITH STAFF WHAT OTHER POSSIBILITIES OF CLAY TILE OR TILES COULD BE. AND IF IT NEEDS TO COME BACK, IT NEEDS TO COME BACK. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS, UM, TILE OUT THERE THAT CAN BE USED TO, TO REPAIR THIS. MY CONCERN ABOUT THE CONCRETE, UH, REQUEST HERE IS TWOFOLD. ONE, THE STRUCTURAL ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S A REAL THING. I KNOW I'M EXPERIENCING IT ON MY OWN HOUSE. AND TWO, THE, THE PROPOSED, UM, TILE PROFILE, OR I SHOULD SAY CONCRETE, UH, ROOF TILE PROFILE IS, IS NOT A CONVINCING, UH, REPLACEMENT. IT'S SORT OF A FLATTENED CURVE FROM WHAT I CAN TELL HERE. SO JUST AESTHETICALLY DOESN'T CAPTURE THE SORT OF THE BARREL TILE THAT IS SO DISTINCTIVE OF, UH, THE EXISTING MATERIAL. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF RE REPLACEMENT IN KIND, UH, WITH THE OPTIONS OF EITHER SALVAGING AND UH, REUSE OF, UH, TILE THAT'S BLENDED IN WITH IT OR A, A COMPLETE REPLACEMENT OF NEW CLAY TILE. I SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ONE F FINAL THING I'D SAY TO THE APPLICANT, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, THE UNDERLAYMENT TO THE TILE ROOF IS, IS ESSENTIAL. THE TILE ITSELF IS, IS MORE OF A, OF A, OF A FINISH. WHAT IS GOING TO GIVE YOU PERFORMANCE AND KEEP THE WATER OUT IS THE UNDERLAYMENT. SO WORK WITH YOUR ROOFING CONTRACTOR, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE. YES. SO, UM, WE ARE GETTING UH, NEW DECKING AND UNDERLAYMENT. I GOT A TEXT FROM CHRIS, HE IS ON THE CALL BUT HE'S MUTED. UM, SO HE WAS TRYING TO TALK BUT WASN'T ABLE TO RESPOND. UM, I GUESS FOR MY OWN CLARITY, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, I APOLOGIZE, I'M NEW TO THIS. UM, SO I I CAN'T GO FORWARD WITH THE CONCRETE. I GET THAT. WHAT IS MY NEXT STEP AND DO I HAVE TO GET APPROVAL TO GET A BLUE TART FROM LOWE'S TO PROTECT MY HOUSE? UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED, WHAT'S MY NEXT STEP? NEXT STEP WOULD BE, UH, WORKING WITH STAFF. IF YOU NEED TO DO A TEMPORARY UH, PROTECTION, THEY CAN GIVE YOU THAT, UM, APPROVAL AND THEN FINDING, WORKING WITH YOUR ROOFER OR OTHER SUPPLIER, FINDING A CLAY TILE THAT MATCHES THE PROFILE AND COLORS OF THE, UH, EXISTING, UH, IF YOU, IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SALVAGE FOR THE REPAIR. OKAY. AND THEN WE, ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, THEN WE COME BACK TO Y'ALL FOR APPROVAL. CORRECT. ONCE YOU FIND THE, THE RIGHT PRODUCT THEN RIGHT, UH, YOU SUBMIT THAT BACK TO STAFF AND STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO UH, GET YOU YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR CLARIFICATION. THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. ALRIGHT, UH, SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE FISH? AYE. SINA AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. ABSENT MA? AYE CARPENTER? AYE. GRU AYE. ANTE? YES. ZER. AYE ON THE PHONE? AYE. MOTION PASSES. JUST A NOTE FOR, UH, ANYONE WHO'S NOT PRESENT. WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE CASES BEFORE WE GET TO THE 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY'S BRACKENRIDGE PARK PROJECT, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH US. MR. CHAIRMAN. I THOUGHT THE, UH, BRACKENRIDGE PARK PROJECT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD AT FOUR 30. WE COULD NOT HEAR IT BEFORE FOUR 30, BUT THERE WAS NO, UH, DEFINITE TIME WHEN WE HAD TO START THAT CASE, RIGHT? WE STILL NEED TO GO IN THE ORDER OF THE POSTED AGENDA. UM, THE TIME, CERTAIN TIME WAS JUST TO PROVIDE PEOPLE A LITTLE MORE PREDICTABILITY OF WHEN TO ARRIVE AND SO PEOPLE HAVE ARRIVED. UM, THEY JUST DIDN'T NEED TO STAY FOR THE WHOLE MEETING AND WATCH THE OTHER CASES BE HEARD. SO WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO BE MINDFUL OF PEOPLE'S TIME WHILE HEARING ALL THE CASES. THANK YOU. AS A REMINDER, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. [02:00:01] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 9 4 THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 1100 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE SHOWING THAT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN ADDITION, WILL NOT EXCEED 50% OF THE TOTAL LOT AREA TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C TWO THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE FOOTPRINT OF THE REAR ADDITIONS SO THAT DOES NOT DOUBLE THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND SUBMITS UPDATED PLANS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING D THREE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A ROOF FORM THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF BASED ON FINDING E FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGES THE WINDOWS AND DOORS REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE REAR EDITION AND REUSES THEM ON THE ADDITION, STORES THEM ON THE SITE FOR FUTURE USE OR DONATES THEM TO A LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE STORE BASED ON FINDING G FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS FEATURING WINDOWS OF TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS ON THE EAST ELEVATION TO STAFF BASED ON FINDING H SIX THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FENESTRATION PATTERN IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS INCORPORATING WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS OF THE REAR. ADDITION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING I SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS TWO. STAFF WERE REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING J EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS HARDY SIDING THAT FEATURES A REVEAL NO MORE THAN SIX INCHES AND A SMOOTH TEXTURE BASED ON FINDING K AND NINE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES AN OFFSET OR REVEAL TO PROVIDE A CLEAR VISUAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING L AND AS A CASE COMMENT, THIS CASE CAME TO STAFF AS A VIOLATION AND WORK HAS CONTINUED, UM, AFTER THE ISSUANCE OF A STOP WORK ORDER. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, JENNIFER TORRES IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. MS. TORRES, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. HI. HI. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO ABOUT THE CASE TO COMMISSIONERS OR WOULD YOU LIKE THEM TO JUST ASK YOU QUESTIONS? UM, I GUESS THEY CAN JUST ASK ME QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE HAVE NOT. OKAY, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER GROUP? WELL, UM, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST I THINK THIS REQUIRES A D R C, UM, UNLESS YOU WANNA TAKE ON THE DISCUSSION TODAY, I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT MAYBE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BEHIND THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT NO WORK IS DONE. UH, FURTHER. UM, MS. TORRES, UH, ARE YOU THE CONTRACTOR? NO, I'M THE OWNER. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO. AND IS YOUR CONTRACTOR AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW OR IS HE STILL WORKING FOR YOU? YEAH, IS HE'S STILL WORKING FOR ME. UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN, UH, WORKED ON HAS ALL BEEN INSIDE THE HOUSE. SO YOU HAVE NOT DONE WORK ON THE EXTERIOR APP, BUT IT'S STILL, YOU'RE STILL DOING WORK TO A, TO A PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED ON THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, BUT NOT ON THE EXTERIOR. CORRECT. BUT, UM, YOU'RE BUILT AN ADDITION TO THE HOME AND YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT ADDITION, CORRECT? UM, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND UM, I DID SPEAK TO RACHEL, UM, WHEN THIS ALL HAPPENED I GUESS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING, UM, 'CAUSE THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME, BUT, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I DID ASK HER. UM, AND SHE DID SAY THAT I CAN DO ANYTHING INSIDE THE HOUSE AND JUST NOT OUTSIDE. SO, UM, NOT SURE IF I'VE, IF THAT'S, YEAH, WE WORKED ON THE INSIDE OF THE ADDITION, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD HER ANSWER TO ME WAS THAT I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, YEAH, SO I THINK WHAT SHE MEANT WAS INSIDE THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN RACHEL. I'M PRETTY SURE I THINK SOME OF THESE SPECIFICATION STAFF HAS IT, RIGHT. UM, I DON'T MIND. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE, THE STIPULATIONS, WHICH MEANS LIKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF IS, IS DOING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE? UM, UNDERSTANDS ALL OF THEM AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE ARE COMPLYING WITH ALL OF THEM. UM, UNLESS YOU GUYS FIND THAT. [02:05:01] OKAY. SO YOU'RE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THEM? THE PROBLEM HERE IS I THINK WE CAN'T, I'M NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING IT WITHOUT SEEING LIKE UPDATED DRAWINGS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, STIPULATION ONE, DO YOU KNOW, UH, THE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL LOT AREA 21% WHERE THE HOUSE WILL TAKE UP 21% OF THE LOT, BUT YOU A LOT IS 9,000 SQUARE FEET. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE OTHERS AND THE HOUSE IS 1897, SO THAT'S 21%, NOT 50. YOU HAVE NO, NO, UH, IT JUST SAYS NOT EXCEED 50. UM, BUT YOU HAVE OTHER PROPERTY AND OTHER LOT COVERAGE ON THAT, ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT'S, THERE'S A, I'M SORRY, THERE'S A SHED THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND UM, THE SHED IS NOT LIVABLE. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. UM, YEAH, SO ANYTHING THAT COVERS THE LOT, UM, CONCRETE PATIOS THAT'S CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S NOT, WE, WE PLAN ON, ACTUALLY WE PLAN ON ON, ON UH, TAKING IT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT LIVABLE. IT'S, UH, THE WHOLE FOUNDATION IS UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT GOOD AND IT IS JUST A VERY, VERY OLD, UH, REAR SHED THAT THEY BUILT. UM, SO WE PLAN ON, UM, NOT USING IT. THAT'S ACTUALLY LIKE PART OF THE NEXT PHASE OF, OF THE HOME RENOVATION. SO, UM, OKAY. SO BEFORE YOU DO THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME AGAIN TO THE COMMISSION FOR THAT TOO. SO, UM, LET'S JUST YES. ASSUME THAT A STIPULATION ONE. UM, I THINK, I MEAN I GUESS STAFF COULD REVIEW THOSE FINAL NUMBERS. UM, DO YOU HAVE THE, SO ONE OF THE STIPULATION TWO AND THREE ARE PROBABLY THE ONES THAT, AND THEN AND FIVE ARE PROBABLY THE ONE THAT WORRY ME THE MOST BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT REQUIRES, UM, UPDATED DRAWINGS CHANGES IN THE PROJECT, MAYBE EVEN STIPULATION SIX. SO BEFORE WE, I DISCUSS THIS, I'LL HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHAT THEY THINK. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES SIR. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AS RELATES TO STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER TWO THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE FOOTPRINT OF THE REAR ADDITION SO THAT IT DOES NOT DOUBLE THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT. UM, SO THE QUESTION TO THE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS HOW MUCH ARE YOU PROPOSING YOU REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT OF YOUR ADDITION? ADDITION IS GOING TO BE 1,055 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT'S NOT DOUBLING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. AM I NOT GETTING THAT OR WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE? IT, IT'S, UH, 842. SO THE AND THE AND THE ADDITION IS, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS 842 AND THE ADDITION IS ONE MORE TIME 1,055. SO, SO IF I'M DOUBLING IT, DOUBLING WOULD 1600 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? STAFF? CAN YOU, CAN YOU HELP ME? MAYBE I'M CONFUSED. UH, YEAH, SO THE STIPULATION IS THAT THE ADDITION, THE REAR ADDITION DOES NOT DOUBLE THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT INCLUDING THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION TOGETHER. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN ADDITION, TOTALING NO MORE THAN 1600 SQUARE FEET AND THE WHAT IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY BUILT ON THE SITE IS GREATER THAN THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS HOW, HOW MUCH SQUARE FEET DO YOU PLAN ON REDUCING WHAT IS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED? UM, AT THIS MOMENT I'M NOT PLANNING ON REDUCING IT, UM, BECAUSE THE ADDITION, IT INCLUDES A MASTER BEDROOM AND A KITCHEN AND LIVING ROOM. SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, HOW MUCH SHORTER I CAN WELL, I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE STIPULATIONS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AND MAYBE A SITE VISIT, GIVEN THAT THIS IS A COMPLIANCE CASE IS APPROPRIATE. SO, UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I I THINK, UM, I MOVE TO REFER THIS TO A D R C SITE VISIT. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A D R C SITE VISIT ANY DISCUSSION AND WE ALSO HAVE A D R C MEETING TO DISCUSS THE STIPULATION. UM, MAYBE ASK THE APPLICANT TO HAVE OR MAYBE JUST STAFF CAN WORK WITH THAT. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SPECIFY RIGHT. AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE UPDATED ELEVATIONS BEFORE THAT D R C IF, IF COMMISSIONER FISH IS AGREEING TO THAT. I I THINK THAT'S SMART 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO UNTANGLE HERE AND I THINK [02:10:01] BASED UPON THE RESPONSES FROM THE APPLICANT, THERE'S THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME EDUCATION AS TO WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND UM, I I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE THAT YOU, UH, TELL YOUR CONTRACTOR TO, TO HOLD OFF BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THESE CHANGES ARE GOING TO AFFECT THINGS THAT ARE DOING, THAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE INTERIOR OF YOUR ADDITION. AND, UM, UM, I JUST, I I THINK IT'S IT'S OKAY. ARE YOU GUYS MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PROPERTY? NO, WE HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION. WE HAVEN'T UH, VOTED ON THIS MOTION YET. OKAY, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I SAW SOME CLICKING AND I, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE, UM, I'M, I'M SORRY, I, CAN WE GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS SO I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND OR ARE YOU GUYS NOT GONNA GIMME THAT CHANCE? I, I THINK I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU GET WITH STAFF PRIOR TO THE D R C AND SEE HOW YOU CAN FORMULATE A RESPONSE SO THAT WE HAVE A, UM, PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH COMMISSIONERS AND WITH STAFF, UM, RATHER THAN US DOING THAT HERE IN UH, LIFETIME IN A PUBLIC FORUM. SO COMMISSIONER FISH, ARE YOU ACCEPTING OF AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD HAVE THIS GO TO A D R C AS WELL AS A D R C SITE VISIT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND I SECOND THAT AS WELL, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, I'D JUST LIKE TO KIND OF ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT, UM, MRS. TORRES, IF YOU CAN MAYBE BRING YOUR CONTRACTOR, WHOEVER'S, UH, DESIGNING THE WORK WITH YOU TO THESE MEETINGS, THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE HAVE, THAT WAY WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, KIND OF HELP GET YOU ON THE RIGHT PATH. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION ON ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. YES MA'AM. ON THE WINDOWS, UM, ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO USE, UM, VINYL, WHICH IS ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS OR THE, UM, ADDITION NOT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. STAFF HAS GUIDELINES ON WHAT WINDOW TYPES ARE ACCEPTABLE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. AND I BELIEVE THE MATERIAL, UH, IS SUBJECT TO DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND AGAIN, STAFF CAN CLARIFY THAT WHEN Y'ALL GO THROUGH THE STIPULATIONS ONE BY ONE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. OLA ABSENT MASUKA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES. BAD SIR. AYE AND AYE. MOTION PASSES AFTER AGENDA ITEM 21. UH, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK PROJECT. SO AGENDA ITEM 2021, SORRY. OKAY, ITEM NUMBER 21 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 0 5 ADDRESS THREE 11 EVERGREEN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SIX OF SIX THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. THE SIX BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED ON INTERIOR, LOTS OF A LARGER, LARGER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE AMENDMENT REQUESTS THAT THE SECOND AND THIRD STORY ROOF LINES BE MODIFIED ON THE EXTERIOR TO ACCOMMODATE A THIRD, THIRD FLOOR UNCOVERED ROOF DECK STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH B STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD ADHERE TO THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED DESIGN AND ELEVATIONS THAT WERE APPROVED IN 2019. AND THE APPLICANT, PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, IS HERE WITH US TODAY. AND WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. HOLD UP. PATRICK? YES, MR. CHRISTENSEN. PATRICK, IS YOUR LIGHT ON? THANK YOU. IT IS NOW . UM, WE CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD, UH, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE ON THIS PROPERTY. UM, IMAGINE HOMES PURCHASED LOTS THAT FRONT ON BOTH PARK STREET AND EVERGREEN AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE CREATED A DRIVE THROUGH THE MIDDLE. THEY'RE GONNA SHOW YOU A LITTLE SITE PLAN AND, UM, HALF OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. HALF IS IN. SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, I BELIEVE I HAVE, THERE'S NO POINTER, BUT UM, THIS IS HOW WE'RE, WE'RE LAYING IT OUT. AND COULD YOU SHOW THE ONE WHERE I HIGHLIGHTED THE LOTS AT ISSUE? SO, UH, AS WHEN WE WENT TO WITH THE H C R C BEFORE, 'CAUSE STOP RIGHT THERE. THESE, THESE ARE THE TWO STREETS THAT FRONT ON PARK STREET, THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMENTS AND REDESIGN AND WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR. SO THAT [02:15:01] WHAT FACES THE STREET ON PARK STREET WOULD LOOK LIKE LARGE HOUSES. THEY'RE ACTUALLY TWO UNITS EACH BUILDING, UM, VERSUS LOOKING LIKE TOWN HOMES. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE VIEW DOWN THAT AISLE LOOKING SOUTH. AND THIS IS FROM EVERGREEN LOOKING NORTH. IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO, THESE ARE THE EXISTING UNITS THAT ARE OFF OF EVERGREEN. I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO A SITE PLAN. UM, THAT'S OKAY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO THESE, THE HIGHLIGHTED BLUE LOTS ARE THE, ARE THE LOTS AT ISSUE HERE. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO TODAY IS WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE THE BALCONIES ON THESE, UH, SIX UNITS AND TO CHANGE A SIDE ENTRY DOOR WHERE INSTEAD OF ENTERING INTO THE GARAGE, YOU WOULD ENTER INTO THE LIVING ROOM. COULD YOU BACK UP TO THAT? SO THIS, WHAT HAPPENED WAS THESE UNITS WERE ALREADY BUILT OFF OF EVERGREEN. THEY'VE SOLD VERY WELL AND BEEN VERY POPULAR. SO IMAGINE HOMES HAS ASKED IS COMING HERE TODAY TO SEE IF WE CAN AMEND WHAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED ON THOSE SIX LOTS THAT I HIGHLIGHTED TO LOOK LIKE THIS. BASICALLY YOU'VE GOT A THIRD FLOOR BEDROOM AND A LITTLE DECK OFF THE BACK, UM, A LITTLE BIT LARGER PATIO AREA THAN WHAT WE GOT APPROVED AT H D R C THE LAST TIME. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. I MEAN, THE CRUX OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE TODAY IS JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT LARGER BALCONY ON THE THIRD FLOOR. ON ON THAT SIDE PLAN. I MEAN, SO WE'VE GOT FROM PARK STREET, YOU'LL NEVER SEE THESE BALCONIES FROM THE MCCULLOUGH SIDE. YOU'LL NEVER SEE THESE BALCONIES. THE, THE PROPERTY THAT'S BETWEEN US AND MCCULLOUGH WAS APPROVED FOR A THREE STORY MIXED USE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL APARTMENTS ABOVE DEVELOPMENT AND WERE ONE LOT REMOVED FROM THE STREET TOWARDS THE EAST. SO SHORT OF BEING IN A HELICOPTER, FLYING A CAMERA DRONE, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SEE THESE BALCONIES. THAT'S BASICALLY THE, THE CRUX OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. AS I SAID BEFORE, THE EVERGREEN UNITS HAVE BEEN VERY POPULAR AND WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO MIRROR THAT MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. AND YOU SAID WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS. I AM FREDERICA KUSHNER. I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. MY ADDRESS IS 4 0 5 EASTERN MYRTLE STREET, 7 8 2 1 2. UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, SPEAK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 21 3 11 EVERGREEN. THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN AT THREE 11 EVERGREEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEN, UH, WE'LL GET OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, WHATEVER NUMBER THAT IS. YES, THAT ELEVATION, UH, THIS ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE REAR ELEVATION SHOWS WINDOWS ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR. IN THE NEW DRAWINGS, THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT SHOWN. SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU STILL PROPOSING TO PUT THOSE WINDOWS IN THE REAR ELEVATION? WELL, IF, IF STEPHANIE CAN HELP ME WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO THE HAVING A PROBLEM, THE FRONT, THIS IS THE, OKAY, THERE WE GO. YEAH, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL FRONT ELEVATION. THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE ORIGINAL, IT SAYS 9 20 19 PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN SET. THANKS FOR BEARING WITH US Y'ALL. ADOBE IS BEING FUSSY. THIS ONE OR THE PREVIOUS ONE, JEFF? UH, THE PREVIOUS DRAWING. THIS ONE. OKAY. THE REAR ELEVATION IN THE UPPER RIGHT SHOWS WINDOWS ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR. ON THE NEW DRAWINGS, THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT SHOWN. ARE YOU PROPOSING TO DELETE THOSE WINDOWS OR LEAVE THEM IN AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED? CAN I JUST ASK HER TO GET TO THE ELEVATION SO I DON'T TELL YOU SOMETHING WRONG? I'VE LOOKED AT THIS SEVERAL TIMES AND I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT'S INCORRECT. [02:20:18] WELL, MR. CHRISTENSEN, IT OPENS FINE ON OUR COMPUTER AND WE DON'T SEE THE WINDOWS. OKAY. SO I MEAN, SO YEAH. SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOME KIND OF INTERNAL LAYOUT DESIGN. THEY REMOVE THOSE WINDOWS. IS THAT YOUR, REMOVE THOSE? YES. FROM THE AND THEY THOSE FACE THE, THE ALLEY I BELIEVE. NO, THEY, YES THEY DO. YEAH. SO THAT'S A NOT IN THE APPLICATION TODAY. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS YOUR FLOOR PLAN FOR YOUR NEW THIRD FLOOR TERRACE SHOWS, UH, CHIMNEYS, BUT YOUR ELEVATIONS DO NOT SHOW THOSE. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I DID, DID NOT DO THE DRAWINGS. OKAY, SO QUESTIONS AND OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION MR. CHAIR? YES. MS. GROUP? YEAH. UM, SO, UH, YEAH, GO BACK JUST TO THOSE PICTURES. SO MR. CHRISTENSEN, SO THE, THE THING IS THE BALCONIES ARE NOT, THEY'RE STILL FACING MCCULLOUGH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE PICTURES OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON MCCULLOUGH THAT YOU CLAIM WILL COVER IT. IT'S VACANT RIGHT NOW. YES. YEAH. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHERE, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND. AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE DON'T KNOW THAT PROJECT COMES UP, IT'S, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS A THREE STORY. SO IT PROBABLY, IT WOULD LOOK THAT'S WHY YOU WANNA DO A BALCONY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA LOOK OVER THAT PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE THERE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I STAND A LITTLE BIT. I I AGREE WITH STEPH ON THE COMMENTS AND I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, MR. MR. CHAIR HERE, UH, HE HAS A VERY, VERY, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS GONNA BE A CHIMNEY OR NOT. AND THEN THE ALLEY IS COMPLETELY, THERE'S NO WINDOWS, NOTHING IN THE PICTURES THAT WERE SHOWN. SO THOSE PICTURES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. CORRECT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU YEP. WE, I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ELEVATIONS WITH WINDOWS, EVEN IF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, GO, EVEN IF IT'S ORDER, IT WOULD LOOK ODD AND I KNOW YOU'RE REPRESENTING YOUR CLIENT, SO I THINK I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU WANNA WITHDRAW TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH THE CHIMNEYS AND ALL THAT BECAUSE IF IT, THE CHIMNEYS ARE GONNA BE PART OF THIS AND THEY'RE NOT IN THE DRAWINGS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY WORRY ME. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I, I'M GENERALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE MODIFICATION TO THE BALCONY AND I POINT TO THE SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THAT. BUT THE WINDOW REDUCTIONS ABOVE THE GARAGE DOORS THAT WE SEE ON THE NON HISTORIC ONES, I, I, THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO SUPPORT. AND THERE YOU, WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT IN SOME OF THE IMAGES. I THINK IT'S ON SLIDE 12 WHERE OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT THERE'S NO FENESTRA. MAYBE IT'S 11. LET'S GO UP ONE MORE, ONE MORE. WELL FORGIVE ME, I SAW ONE OF THESE IMAGES. THERE WE GO. NOW WE CAN SEE THESE WALLS ABOVE THE GARAGE DOORS WITH NO FENESTRATION. I BELIEVE THOSE FACES ARE GONNA BE VISIBLE ON THE HISTORIC SIDE. SO WE JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO KIND OF CHECK, CHECK YOUR CLIENT ON, ON WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THAT BIT. UH, NEITHER OF THOSE TWO OTHER ISSUES WERE AGENDIZED, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN DISCUSS 'EM. WELL COMMISSIONER GIVE TODAY IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, HOW ABOUT IF I DO THIS, I'LL UM, ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE AND THEN I'LL ASK MY CLIENT IF THEY WOULD LIKE, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IF I GO FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED. PROBABLY NOT GONNA GO TOO WELL, BUT ASK IF I COULD HAVE A CONTINUANCE, UM, AND THEN LET MY CLIENT DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO JUST GO FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY APPROVED OR IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK, ADD SOME MORE WINDOWS, ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU'VE MADE. I'LL HAPPILY. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, IN LIGHT OF THAT, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO CONTINUE. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND TO CONTINUE. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES, THAT SIR. AYE. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK PROJECT. THANK YOU. YES. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE H C R C FOR FEBRUARY 16TH, 2022. THIS WILL BE CASE NUMBER [This item is TIME CERTAIN for 4:30 PM. (It may be heard after this time.)  ] 22. YES, THANK YOU. SO I'M GONNA READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. UM, FIRST I [02:25:01] MADE THE BIG MISTAKE OF NOT MAKING A SMALL, UH, STAFF ANNOUNCEMENT. WE ARE ACTUALLY LOSING A MEMBER OF OUR TEAM, KATIE TOTMAN. UM, SHE'S GONNA BE THE NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF NEW BRAUNFELS WHERE SHE LIVES. SO THIS IS VERY GOOD FOR HER . SO KATIE'S BEEN WITH US FOR SIX YEARS, AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM MULTIPLE APPLICANTS HERE AT THE PODIUM OF HOW MUCH THEY HAVE HELPED HER IN THE PROCESS. AND SO SHE WILL GREATLY BE MISSED. AND I KNOW THAT OUR, OUR HISTORIC PRE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, COMMUNITY WILL MISS HER AS WELL. SO THANK YOU KATIE. UM, SO FOR EVERYBODY HERE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS READ THE ITEM INTO THE RECORD. UM, I BELIEVE WE WILL START WITH, UM, COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC, THE, THE SPEAKERS IN PERSON. WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS ALSO THAT WE'LL RUN THROUGH. UM, AND WE'LL GIVE ALSO THE STAFF, UH, FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, A CHANCE TO PRESENT THE CASE, UM, AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONERS. OKAY, SO THIS IS ITEM 22, H C R C, CASE 2022, UH, 0 79, UH, 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY'S BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE SIGNIFICANT AND HERITAGE CALIBER TREES LOCATED ON THE BANKS OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. THIS INCLUDES THREE HERITAGE LIVE OAKS, TWO HERITAGE PECANS, ONE HERITAGE BALD CYPRUS, AND ONE HERITAGE CREPE MYRTLE LOCATED ALONG THE RIVER BANKS IN THE LAMBERT BEACH, LAMBERT BEACH AREA. THIS ALSO INCLUDES A NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT TREES MEASURING AS SMALL AS TWO INCHES IN DIAMETER. END UP. THE SCOPE OF WORK IS RELATED TO A 2017 BOND PROJECT THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION AT A FUTURE DATE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED A VARIANCE TO THE TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO THIS REQUEST ON JANUARY 26TH, 2022. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY ARBORIST. MORE THAN 400 NEW TREES WILL BE PLANTED WITHIN BRACKENRIDGE PARK, INCLUDING 219 TREES WITHIN THE PROJECT VICINITY. UM, BILL, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR YOU, BUT WE JUST, JUST DID SPEAK. THIS IS NORMALLY THE TIME WHEN THE APPLICANT GETS UP AND GETS THEIR PRESENTATION. I THINK THEY'RE WANTING TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST AND THEN PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION AND RESPOND AT THE SAME TIME. WE LET YOU GO FIRST. PLEASE GO FIRST. WE WANT YOU FIRST PLEASE. THE CHAIR. IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR. YES. I'D SAY THE, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS CAN BE HEARD FIRST AND THEN WE WILL PRESENTATION. SO WE WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING BEFORE WE SPEAK, PLEASE. OKAY. THEY'RE GONNA WATCH. OKAY. LET'S HAVE A, A SHORT PRESENTATION BY THE CITY ON THE PROJECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JAMAL MORENO. I'M WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THE PROJECT BILL PINNELL, ASSISTANT MANAGER, PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. SO WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER A FEW SLIDES THAT WE CAN, UH, GO, I GUESS WE CAN GO THROUGH, THROUGH THOSE. SO, ADDRESSING OUR, UH, PROJECT FOR, UH, BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND THE TREE PRESERVATION AND REMOVAL PORTION. UH, THE TOTAL PROJECT, UH, WITHIN THE TOTAL PROJECT AREA, WE HAVE A, A 136 TREES THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED WITH 30 OF THOSE, UH, BEING HERITAGE TREES. UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, NATIVE SPECIES TREES BEING REMOVED AT 105 WITH 10 OF THOSE BEING HERITAGE, UM, TREES TO BE PLANTED FOR, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. AGAIN, YOU HEARD TWO 19 EARLIER, UH, THAT COULD CHANGE BY MAYBE ONE OR TWO TREES, BUT CURRENTLY THAT'S THE PLAN. UH, AND THEN TREES ELSEWHERE TO BE PLANTED IN THE PARK. UH, ANYWHERE FROM TWO TO 400 JUST DEPENDING ON THE SIZE THAT WE CHOOSE, UH, TO PLANT. OF COURSE, THOSE, UH, THOSE TREES ARE, UH, FOR MITIGATION PURPOSES. UM, AND THERE'S, UH, JUST KIND OF WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. UM, PER U D C, BECAUSE WE'RE PRIMARILY IN THE FLOOD PLAIN ON THIS PROJECT, UH, THAT ALL TREES TWO INCHES AND, UH, AND ABOVE, UM, WERE, ARE CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT. AND THE LARGE SPECIES TREES 24 INCHES AND ABOVE, UH, ARE CONSIDERED THE HERITAGE. NEXT SLIDE. UH, HERE ARE THE CULTURAL LIST OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES, UH, AND HISTORIC STRUCTURES WITHIN THE PROJECT [02:30:01] AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH. UH, AND PRIMARILY THE REASON FOR A LOT OF THE REMOVAL OF THESE TREES IS BECAUSE OF THEIR IMPACT IN CLOSE PROCE PROXIMITY, UH, TO THESE CULTURAL RESOURCES. SO THAT WOULD BE THE LAMBERT BEACH RIVER WALLS, UM, DATED TO 1925 LAMBERT BEACH STEPS AS WELL. UH, THE BRACKENRIDGE PUMP HOUSE. SOME KNOW IT AS THE WATERWORKS BUILDING. SAME STRUCTURE, UM, THAT DATES TO, UH, THE 1870S. UH, WE HAVE THE UPPER LAB BORE DIVERSION DAM AND UPPER LAB SEIA THAT DATE TO THE LATE 17 HUNDREDS. UH, AND AGAIN, UH, IN THE 18 HUNDREDS, UH, WE DO HAVE A RESTROOM BUILDING THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING WITH ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENT. UH, AND OF COURSE THERE'S ALSO THE DONKEY BRIDGE THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING WITH ANY KIND OF IMPROVEMENT, BUT THEY DO FALL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF OUR PROJECT AREA. SO HERE'S THE PROJECT AREA, UH, LIMITS YOU HAVE, UM, THERE'S, I GUESS THERE'S NO POINTER, BUT, UH, ON THE RIGHT, UH, TOP RIGHT CORNER, UM, THAT STRETCH, UH, IS, UM, UH, HILDEBRAND AVENUE OR HILDEBRAND ROAD. AND YOU COME INTO THE PARK, UH, IN THAT AREA. UM, OUR PROJECT AREAS, IT WILL BE BROKEN OUT AND WE'LL SHOW YOU LATER, BROKEN OUT INTO TWO, UH, UH, TWO PAGES, BUT IT INCLUDES, THERE YOU GO. OH, THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. SO HERE'S HILDEBRAND RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE NORTHERNMOST AREA OF THE PROJ OF THE PARK THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. UH, YOU COME IN OFF OF HILDEBRAND RIGHT HERE. UM, THE, UH, UH, UPPER LABOR BO ASSIA AND DIVERSION DAMER RIGHT HERE. AND THAT LINE RIGHT THERE. THE ASAKIA, UH, YOU MAY KNOW, UH, CONTINUES, UH, NOT IN OUR PROJECT, BUT, UH, PHYSICALLY CONTINUES INTO THE ZOO, WHICH IS THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE HISTORIC RACEWAY. PUMPHOUSE IS RIGHT HERE. AND THEN THIS IS THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER RIGHT HERE. THOSE ARE OUR PROJECT LIMITS. SO THIS IS JUST A, UH, A SLIDE SHOWING, UM, THE TREES TO BE REMOVED, UH, IN RED AND ALSO, UH, SHADED IN YELLOW, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT, UH, DISTINCTION LATER. THERE ARE ALSO, UH, SEVERAL TREES ON HERE. THE ONES THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED, UH, YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THAT THEY'RE SHADED IN GREEN OR THAT THEY ARE OUTLINED IN GREEN, BUT, UH, ANY OF THOSE YOU SEE LIKE THESE IN HERE, THOSE WILL BE PRESERVED. NEXT LINE. AGAIN, SAME THING, SECOND PAGE. UM, AND THEN I HAVE SEVERAL PHOTOS HERE THAT I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER, UH, AND SHOW YOU GUYS, UM, THE EFFECTS THAT, UH, UH, THAT SOME OF THESE TREES ARE HAVING ON THE STRUCTURES. UM, OUR PLAN IS TO, UH, COME TO YOU GUYS, UM, IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO WITH, UH, PLANS FOR THE LAMBERT BEACH WALLS. THAT IS OUR PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT. PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT WILL BE, UH, THE REST OF IT, SO TO SPEAK. UM, BUT WE, THESE WALLS ARE IN SUCH DISREPAIR, WE WANTED TO ADDRESS THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S THAT TIME ELEMENT HERE. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE IN THESE WALLS, UM, AGAIN, MOST OF THEM DATE TO 1925. SOME OF THEM ARE W P A ERA, SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE THIRTIES AND FORTIES AS WELL. UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CRACKS AND FISSURES IN THE WALL, UH, THAT CONTINUE. NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S PROXIMITY SHOPS. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO ADDRESS, UH, THIS WALL AND ADDING STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS BEHIND IT, UM, WE COULD NOT DO THAT KIND OF WORK WITHOUT THIS TREE BEING REMOVED. AGAIN, HERE'S ANOTHER PROXIMITY SHOT. UH, HERE'S A STRAIGHT SHOT OF, UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE HERITAGE OAKS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ALONG THE RIVER. UH, AND YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE, UH, THE DISREPAIR THAT'S HAPPENING TO THIS WALL. IT HAS STARTED TO LEAN, UM, FORWARD EVENTUALLY. UH, IF, IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THE WALL, EVENTUALLY IT'LL FAIL. NEXT, NEXT, THIS IS THE SAME WALL FROM SIDE SHOT. SO YOU CAN SEE THE LEAN AND YOU CAN SEE THE ACTUAL CRACK ON THE SIDE HERE. IT'S JUST KIND OF PEELING OFF OF THIS WALL, UH, THIS STAIR WALL GOING UP TO THE SIDE. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PROXIMITY OF THE TREE. IT'S WITHIN, UH, TWO FEET OR LESS OF THAT WALL. NOW IT'S WITHIN TWO FEET OR LESS OF THAT WALL AS IT STANDS NOW. UH, AND THAT'S WITH THE LEAN. SO FOR US TO STRAIGHTEN UP THAT WALL, UM, AND THEN DO OUR STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS BEHIND IT, UH, WE, WE JUST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT THAT, THAT TREE BEING REMOVED. THIS IS ANOTHER SHOT. YOU CAN JUST SEE THE, UH, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS WHOLE AREA PUSHES ON, ON THAT WALL TO THE FRONT, BUT IT ALSO PUSHES ON THIS ONE TO THE SIDE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE MULTIPLE, UH, STRESS FRACTURES IN THE, THE MORTAR AND THE STONE OWN. UH, HERE'S A SHOT OF A, UH, PORTION OF THE LAMBERT BEACH WALLS. THAT HAS ALREADY FAILED. [02:35:01] UM, RIGHT NOW, THAT AREA IS BEING HELD UP BY, UH, THE PLYWOOD WALL, UH, AND TWO BY FOURS THAT YOU SEE THERE. UH, IT IS OFF LIMITS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT A SAFE AREA TO BE. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE SCALE. THERE'S A GENTLEMAN RIGHT THERE. HE'S PROBABLY FIVE AND A HALF FEET OR SO. SO YOU CAN SEE SCALE THE SIZE OF FAILURE THAT WE'VE HAD THUS FAR, UH, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS IN THIS PROJECT AS WELL. HERE'S A SIDE SHOT OF THAT. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE HERITAGE TREE RIGHT ABOVE IT. THIS SECTION OF WALL HAS ALREADY FAILED, UH, IS GONE. WE'LL HAVE TO BE REBUILT. AND OF COURSE, WITH, UH, STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD IN ORDER TO, TO MAKE IT A, A SUSTAINABLE, UH, STRUCTURE. AGAIN, UM, THAT WALL, OR EXCUSE ME, THAT TREE, UH, CAN'T REMAIN NEXT HERE. UM, HERE ARE THREE OAKS. NONE OF THEM ARE HERITAGE, BUT THEY'RE IN FRONT OF THE WALL. THEY WERE ACTUALLY STARTED GROWING IN A SMALL, UH, DIRT PATCH BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK. UH, THAT IS, UM, THAT FRONTS THE RIVER, UM, AND THE LAMBERT BEACH WALL THAT YOU SEE BEHIND THEM. UH, I KNOW IT'S REAL DIFFICULT TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT IF YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU CAN SEE MULTIPLE CRACKS AND FISSURES. YOU CAN SEE, UH, AS THE TREES HAVE STARTED TO GET BIGGER, UH, THAT THEY'VE, UH, UH, STARTED TO, UH, UH, TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT SEVERAL AREAS OF THIS WALL. UH, JUST ANOTHER SHOT A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE MULTIPLE LARGE CRACKS IN THIS AREA, UH, UP HERE. ANOTHER ONE THERE. UH, ALSO OF NOTE IF, IF YOU CAN, UM, IN YOUR, ON YOUR SCREENS, NOTICE THE DIFFERENT COLOR OF, UM, MORTAR THAT'S BEEN USED IN THE PAST TO TRY TO PATCH THESE WALLS. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE, UH, PATCH JOBS AND, AND, UH, REPAIR JOBS TO TRY TO, UH, SUSTAIN THESE WALLS FOR, UH, FOR MORE AND MORE YEARS. AND, UM, THOSE JUST HAVEN'T WORKED. UH, THEY'VE CONTINUED TO FAIL. UH, AGAIN, HERE'S ANOTHER, UH, PICTURE OF ANOTHER, UH, SECTION OF WALL THAT'S COMPLETELY FAILED. UH, THAT PIECE STILL LAYS THERE TODAY. UH, WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GET TO IT, UH, INSTEAD OF REMOVING IT THAT WE CAN GET TO IT WITH CONSTRUCTION AND, AND BEGIN TO REPAIR IT. AND THEN HERE'S THE, UH, AREA OF THE LAMBERT BEACH WALLS CLOSEST TO THE PUMP HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE ANOTHER LARGE SECTION, PROBABLY 25 OR 30 FEET LONG, UH, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN BLOWN OUT. UM, THERE ARE TWO HERITAGE, UH, PECANS ABOVE IT. UM, THEY'RE HOLDING ON FOR DEAR LIFE RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT, UH, EVENTUALLY WITH, UH, FLOOD WATERS AND, UH, RAIN AND WHATNOT, EROSION. IF THAT WALL DOESN'T GET FIXED, UM, UH, OR IF WE, IF WE FAIL NOT TO ADDRESS THE WALLS AT ALL, THE TREES WILL FAIL ANYWAY. UM, SO IN ORDER FOR US TO REPAIR THIS WALL PROPERLY, THOSE TREES WILL, WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED AS WELL. AND HERE'S A, A DOUBLE SHOT OF BASICALLY THE SAME AREA, JUST FROM TWO DIFFERENT, UH, ANGLES. UH, THIS IS THE TREE THAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE, UH, IS ONE OF THE, UH, SEVEN HERITAGE TREES ALONG THE BANK OF THE RIVER AS WELL. UH, IT'S THE HERITAGE CYPRUS. AND, UM, JUST OF NOTE, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE DAMAGE IT'S DONE TO THE WALL ABOVE AND THE RIVER WALL BELOW THE SEVERAL, THE MINI CRACKS THAT IT'S GOT. UH, AND THEN WHAT IT'S DOING TO THE, THE WALK AS WELL. UH, THIS IS JUST A PROXIMITY SHOT. UH, THIS IS A NON-HERITAGE, BUT IT IS A PECAN TREE THAT IS WITHIN INCHES OF, UH, THE, UH, HISTORIC BRACKENRIDGE, UH, PUMPHOUSE. UH, HERE'S A SHOT OF A TREE ROOT SYSTEM, UH, ADJACENT TO THE ASAKIA. UH, THIS ROOT SYSTEM HAS ALREADY, UH, DESTROYED ABOUT FOUR TO FOUR AND A HALF FEET WORTH OF THE, UH, 1776 ASAKIA STRUCTURE. AND THEN HERE'S A PROXIMITY SHOT. I JUST WANTED TO THROW THIS IN THERE FOR SOME UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ASAKIA HERE. I, IT'S TOUGH TO SEE THE WIDTH OF THE ASAKIA, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE ACROSS THE WAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN WIDTH. UM, SO THIS TREE, UH, THAT WE KNOW OF IS NOT MAKING AN IMPACT RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW TREES LIKE THIS TO REMAIN AND TO GROW AND TO GET BIGGER AND TO ALLOW THEIR ROOT SYSTEMS TO GROW AND GET BIGGER, THEY'LL EVENTUALLY START, UM, DESTROYING THESE SIGNIFICANT, OR EXCUSE ME, THESE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, UH, LIKE THE PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT, OR PREVIOUS PICTURES THAT YOU'VE SEEN. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. BILL, [02:40:02] I'M GONNA ASK MARK BYRD CITY YARD BRIDGE TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE TREES AND HIS ASSESSMENT COMMISSIONER'S. MARK BYRD. GOOD TO, GOOD TO BE BACK UP. I THINK , UM, JUST, UH, WANTED TO SPEAK REAL QUICKLY. THE, UH, PLAN WAS REVIEWED, UH, AND PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AT WHICH TIME PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE MITIGATION OF THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES FOR THE PROJECT. UH, WE DID DO AN ASSESSMENT OF TREES FOR POTENTIAL OF RELOCATION OF SOME OF THE TREES TO BE REMOVED, AND WAS DETERMINED THAT THAT WAS NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS OF TREES, LOCATIONS OF TREES IMPACTS, UH, TO TREES TO BE PRESERVED AS A RESULT OF THOSE, UH, UH, THE EFFORTS TO, UH, RELOCATE TREES. SO I'M HERE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AFTER OTHER PRESENTATIONS. THAT'S SO WHAT'S, AGAIN, AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, OUR TEAM OF, OF, OF EXPERTS, OUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, UM, LOCAL AND, UM, FROM HOUSTON, ALSO WITH COORDINATION. YOU KNOW, AS WE CONTINUE TO COORDINATE WITH TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROJECT, DEALING WITH THE RIVER AND OF COURSE DEALING WITH THE, THE HISTORIC FEATURES, UM, SINCE WE ARE A STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARK, UH, WE ARE UNDER THEIR PURVIEW. AND SO A LOT OF COORDINATION, UH, CONTINUES TO BE DONE WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE WE MEET, MEET THE GUIDELINES AND, AND, AND FIX THESE WALLS AND, AND SIGNIFICANCE TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A MASTER PLAN PROCESS IN 2017 THAT WE WENT OUT TO CITIZENS FROM ALL AROUND THE CITY, UH, TO GET THEIR INPUT BECAUSE BRACKRIDGE PARK IS THE CITY'S PARK. UM, SO WE GOT OVER 13 OR JUST UNDER 1300 PEOPLE, UH, TO PARTICIPATE IN ABOUT 12 DIFFERENT EVENTS AND TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK. AND ONE OF THE VERY STRONG COMPONENTS THAT THEY ALL SAID WAS TO RESTORE AND STABILIZE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL FEATURES IN BRECKENRIDGE PARK. SO THAT WAS TAKEN AS OUR, OUR SCOPE AS WE MOVED INTO THE 2017 BOND PROJECT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. UM, PROJECT WAS SLIGHTLY STALLED WHILE THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY WITH OUR HELP AND THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITIES HELP COMMISSIONED THE C A CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT TO HELP AND GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE HISTORY, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PARK, HOW IT RELATES TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE NATION, HOW IT RELATES TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE STATE, AND ALSO LOCAL. AND THE STORY OF WATER IS VERY IMPORTANT AND IT'S A STORY THAT NEEDS TO BE TOLD, UM, FOR, FOR OUR, FOR OUR KIDS AND, AND FOR OUR FUTURES TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY CITY, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS ESTABLISHED, WHERE IT IS. AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT HERE. SO ALONG WITH THAT, UM, AND COORDINATION WITH TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE AND US FISH AND WILDLIFE, UM, RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES, UM, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. ALSO, WITH THE ASPECT OF KEEPING OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES AS THEY CONTINUE TO BE, UM, HAVING TO GO THROUGH THESE CONDITIONS, PUSH WITH TREES, THEY DO HAVE TO DEAL WITH FLOODS AND LOSING THEM. AND THE CONCERN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME OF THE AREA FENCED OFF, UH, FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING AN AREA FENCED OFF IS STILL NOT SAFE AND WE'RE, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GETTING IN AND, AND ALSO, UM, MORE EROSION THAT POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, CREATES SOME OTHER ISSUES. SO WE DO HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'LL HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, CAN I DO THAT OR NOT YET? LET'S WAIT TILL WE HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS. WE HAVE ALESSIA GARLOCK, THAT'S ALICIA. ALICIA GARLOCK. UM, MS. GARLIC WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. UM, DANIELLE GUTIERREZ, YIELDED TIME. DANIELLE, CAN I SEE YOUR HAND? THANK YOU. OH, THERE IT IS. HA. I HAVE A VIDEO. JUST GONNA PLAY IT. AND I'M SPEAKING IN THE VIDEO. UH, YOU HAVE A PACKET IN FRONT OF YOU. IT HAS THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRATION, UM, PAPER. THIS IS, UH, OH, NATIONAL REGISTER OF [02:45:01] HISTORIC PLACES, AREAS OF SIGNIFICANCE, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE. THE LANDSCAPE WAS REGISTERED UNDER THE HISTORIC PLACES WITH THE, UM, ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, WHICH INCLUDES THE TREES, WHICH WERE, HAVE BEEN THERE UNCHAINED SINCE 1950. IS IT RUNNING AREA AS A PARK AND NOT CONVEY, ALIENATING IT. WHEN BRACKENRIDGE REQUEST THE PARK, HE SAID TO USE A PROPERTY AS A PARK AND NOT CONVEY ALIEN FOR 2017. BOND PROJECT SAYS ENCUMBER IT UNDER DESIGN, REPAIR, THE RIVER WALL REPAIR RESTROOMS, TRAILS DOES NOT SAY DEMOLITION. A HUNDRED TREES DESTROY HABITAT. SO TREES HELP PREVENT FLOODING. THEY MINIMIZE OR THEY HELP MINIMIZE SOIL EROSION. WE NEED TREES. WE DO NOT NEED TO BE CUTTING THEM DOWN. BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS IN A FLOOD ZONE. IT IS A, UH, FEMA HAS A PROGRAM AND WE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS A FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT OFFICE WHO HAVE NOT RECEIVED A PERMIT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT TO TAKE DOWN THOSE TREES BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A FLOOD PLAIN. THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED SUCH PERMIT OR REQUESTS OR DOCUMENTS. SPECIES THAT NEST AND BRACKRIDGE PARK ARE LISTED AS SPECIES THAT IN THE ORIGINAL IN THE STATE'S WILDLIFE ACTION PLAN, I PUT IT IN THERE. ORIGINALLY IT DIFFERENT, IT SAID TO REMOVE TREES TO PREVENT. FROM 1691, A GROUP ARRIVED AT A AYA INDIAN VILLAGE, SAN ANTONIO. YOU HAVE NOT EVEN REACHED OUT TO MY INDIGENOUS FRIENDS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE PLAYGROUND WAS CLOSED FROM THE PANDEMIC AND BIRDS CHASED FROM ELMENDORF, WOODLAWN, LAKE PARK, AND WHO KNOWS WHERE ELSE WERE ARRIVED AT BRACKEN RIDGE CALLED, CAUSED BY OUR PARKS AND RECREATION PATIENT IN THE U S D A, WHOSE METHODS MAY ALSO POSE RISK TO HUMANS, PETS, NON-TARGET SPECIES, AND THE ENVIRONMENT. THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO DID NOT VOTE TO HIRE THE U SS D A. THIS IS OUR PARK FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS. THEY'RE TRYING TO, UH, THEY'RE TAKING THESE TREES OUT TO DESTROY A NESTING HABITAT. AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BRING IN POWER TICKET EXPLOSIVES INTO THE PARK. THIS WAS AT ELMENDORF. THESE ARE HANDGUNS THAT SHOOT EXPLOSIVES AND THAT IS NOT A PLA. BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS A HISTORIC SITE THAT DOES NOT NEED TO HAVE EXPLOSIVES BEING USED TO CHASE OFF BIRDS THAT THE PUBLIC HASN'T EVEN AGREED TO. SO MY FOUR MINUTES, I PUT IN THERE A PAPER THAT SAYS THE PLAYGROUND WAS CLOSED AT THE START OF THE PANDEMIC. PER THE TEXAS STATE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. LABORATORY TESTS HAVE SHOWN THAT CATTLE EGRETS ARE NOT CARRIERS OF BARUS AS WAS ONCE SUSPECTED, HER ANDRIES NEAR HUMAN HABITATION CAUSED NOISE, ODOR, AND FEAR OF DISEASES SUCH AS, OR WHATEVER. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE, HOWEVER, THAT CATTLE RES EVER INTRODUCED DISEASES OR PARASITES DETRIMENTAL TO HUMANS. I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IN THEIR ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, THEIR FINDINGS WAS THAT TO REMOVE THE TREES TO PREVENT R REEF FROM DEVELOPING THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO DID NOT APPROVE A BOND PROJECT TO DEMOLITION A HUNDRED TREES THAT ARE LISTED AS A HISTORIC SIGNIFICANT, UH, LISTED AS A LANDSCAPE. AS PART OF THE HISTORIC REGISTRY, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY DOCUMENTATION OR A PROPOSAL FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THE, UH, ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION OR, UH, PROPOSED ACTIONS. UH, FEMA HAS BEEN NOTIFIED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO GET A PERMIT FOR A FLOODPLAIN AND THERE IS NO PERMIT. THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT IN OUR SAN ANTONIO OFFICE. UH, ANYTHING ELSE I PUT IN THERE SO THAT YOU CAN REVIEW. THEY SAY THE BIRDS ARE, YOU KNOW, HAZARD THAT THEIR WATER QUALITY IS CONTAMINATED. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS GRAPH FROM SAN ANTONIO WATER RIVER AUTHORITY, IT WAS IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, THE PEAK OF SEASON, THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER, 14% AVIAN, WHICH PROBABLY SOME OF THAT MIGHT'VE CAME FROM THE ZOO. UH, AGAIN, THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO DID NOT VOTE ON DEMOLITION. IF YOU'RE GONNA KEEP A HISTORIC PARK THAT HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED SINCE 1950, THEN WE NEED TO PRESERVE WHAT'S THERE. THERE THERE WAS AN ENGINEER WHO GAVE AN EXAMPLE. WHEN'S MY TIME? OH, OKAY. IS THAT IT'S FOUR MINUTES. ANYWAY, PAPERWORK. YOU GOT IT. NEXT WE HAVE MATILDA TORRES. MS. TORRES HAS FOUR MINUTES. UM, LET'S SEE. THERESA CROCK HAS YIELDED HER TIME. THERESA, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. GO YANA. THE LANGUAGE OF OUR ANCESTORS IS TIED TO NATURE. THIS LANGUAGE BOOK IS AT THE SMITHSONIAN WORLD. HERITAGE STUFF. WOULDN'T YOU AGREE [02:50:02] HERE IN THE BLACK OUTLINE? THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE IN THE BLACK OUTLINE IS THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER IN THE 17 HUNDREDS. THE PURPLE IMAGE IS A CONSTELLATION IN THE SKY. ERENA, THE GREEKS CALLED IT ERENA THE RIVER IN THE SKY. THEY ARE IDENTICAL. NEXT SLIDE HERE IS THE RIVER. AS IT FLOWS THROUGH BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK FROM HILDEBRAND TO ANASTASIA, YOU CAN SEE THE HORSESHOE SHAPE ON ALL IMAGES. NEXT SLIDE ONCE AGAIN. HERE IS THE RIVER THROUGH BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK AND NORTH OF HILDEBRAND IS THE BLUE HOLE AT INCARNATE. WORD TO THE SOUTH IS A DOUBLE CRESTED CORN RATT. THE REASON I AM BRINGING THIS UP IS BECAUSE OF THIS NEXT SLIDE CREATION STORY OF SAN ANTONIO. ACCORDING TO THE FAA PEOPLE, THE TREES, THE TALL BEANS REPRESENT THE STARS OF ERENA UNTIL THE STORY IN THE ABSENCE OF THE VIEW OF THE NIGHT SKY. ONE DAY, THE WATER BIRD DOUBLE CRESTED CORN RATT FLEW INTO THE BLUE HOLE. SAN ANTONIO SPRINGS AND ENCOUNTERED THE BLUE PANTHER. THE PANTHER ROARED AND BIRD TURNED AROUND AND FLEW OUT AGAIN, LEAVING WATER DROPLETS FROM ITS TAIL FEATHERS. AND THAT IS HOW LIFE BEGAN IN THIS REGION. AND OUR SOUTHERN SKY OF THE STAR FECTA IS THE BLUE HOLE. THE CONSTELLATION OF LEO IS THE BLUE PANTHER. THE RIVER YANA ARINA IS A SOUTHERN HORIZON. TIME THE STORE TOGETHER AND THE CONSTELLATION OF PHOENIX IS THE ESCAPING WATERBIRD. THE LINEAGE METER SHOWER IN NOVEMBER IS THE PANTHER'S WAR. NEXT SLIDE HERE TO THE UH, TO THE LEFT. FEA IS THE BLUE HOLE. IT'S A STAR IN THE SKY. LEO IS THE BLUE PANTHER, THE CONSTELLATION OF LEO. THE HORIZON IS THE SURFACE OF THE WATER YANA AND THE DOUBLE CRESTED CORMA IS A CONSTELLATION TO PHOENIX LINEAGE METER SHOWER IS A PANTHER'S WAR. NEXT SLIDE. I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS IMAGE. LINET METER SHOWER AND THE SOUTHERN SKY THAT WE CAN'T SEE BECAUSE OF LIGHT POLLUTION. THE SPRINGS ALONG I 35 FROM SAN ANTONIO TO AUSTIN. WE ALL WERE ALL FOUND IN A 2000 YEAR OLD PIECE OF ROCK ART DISPLAYED AT THE WHITT MUSEUM. THOSE SPRINGS, KAMAL, SAN MARCOS, BARTON SPRINGS ARE PROTECTED FOR ENCROACHMENT AND THE WATERS FLOW ALL THE TIME. BUT THE BLUE HOLE EMPTY THE BLUE HOLE IS A CANARY IN THE COAL MINE TO WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING TO OUR CULTURE HERE THE LAST 300 YEARS. AND WE FORGET THIS IS THE BIRTHPLACE OF SAN ANTONIO. I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS NOT WORLD HERITAGE. AND WE CALL OURSELVES BIRD CITY, TEXAS. HOW MANY MORE ASSAULTS TO OUR 10,000 YEAR OLD CULTURE ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO ENDURE BEFORE IT IS COMPLETELY ERASED? THE FIVE MISSIONS WERE BUILT ALONG THIS RIVER FOR A REASON. THE RIVER IS THE ANCHOR TO OUR CULTURE. AND THE TREES AND THE RINGS CONTAIN ITS MEMORY. EVERYTHING HAS A MEMORY, BUT IT SEEMS SAN ANTONIO, WE DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING. THAT'S WHY WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS PRESENT POSITION FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER. GENERAL GEORGE BRACKENRIDGE SAID IN A LETTER TO HIMSELF, I KILLED MY CHILD. THE BLUE HOLE WAS NO LONGER A 20 FOOT GEYSER. THIS RIVER IS NO DIFFERENT FROM THE NILES RIVER OR THE AMAZON RIVER. THESE TREES ARE THE LUNGS OF OUR CITY. LET'S EMBRACE THAT. WE'RE STILL IN A PANDEMIC. THE FIRST THING THAT THAT VIRUS ATTACKED WAS THE LUNGS. THAT SHOULD BE A CLEAR MESSAGE FROM MO, FROM MOTHER EARTH. HONOR, PROTECT AND RESPECT A EINSTEIN. WE CANNOT SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS WITH THE SAME THING WE USED WHEN WE CREATED THEM. THANK YOU LYDIA PIPPEN. MS. PIPPEN WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DANIEL ARMSTRONG . YOU WERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM HERE REQUESTING THAT THIS APPLICATION BE DENIED. THE 2017 BOND DID NOT MENTION THE REMOVAL OF THE HERITAGE TREES. I WANT TO ASK WHAT STUDIES HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED TO REVIEW THE IMPACT OF THIS PLAN ON THE QUALITY OF WATER. NOT TO MENTION THE MIGRATORY BIRDS, THE PROTECTED MIGRATORY BIRDS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I CANNOT FIND THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. PLEASE NOTE PROGRESS IS NOT ALWAYS MEASURED ON THE THINGS WE DEAR DOWN FOR HUMAN STRUCTURES, BUT CONSERVING ENVIRONMENTS THAT WE'RE HERE LONG BEFORE WE WILL AND HOPEFULLY WILL BE LONG HERE AFTER WE ARE GONE. BRACKENRIDGE IS NOT THE PEARL. WE DON'T NEED OR WANT AN EVENT TERRACE THAT IS ALREADY A EVENT YOU AVAILABLE AT THE JAPANESE TEA GARDENS FOR WEDDINGS AND WINE TASTINGS AND WHATNOT. THIS IS A NATURAL AREA. FAMILIES COME HERE TO SPEND TIME UNDER THE BEAUTIFUL CANOPY OF THESE HERITAGE TREES. HUNDREDS OF YEARS OLD. THEY FISH, THEY WALK, THEY EXPLORE NATURE AND ENJOY THE WILDLIFE THERE. [02:55:01] PLEASE PROTECT IT. HAVE THE CITY AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY REVIEWED AND SIGNED OFF ON THIS PLAN. DOES IT STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, PROVISIONS AND RESTRICTIONS FROM WHEN IT WAS GIFTED TO THE CITY? THE WALL WAS MADE BY MAN. ONLY GOD CAN MAKE THESE TREES. THESE ROCKS AND WALLS DO NOT HAVE PRECEDENT OVER THE LIVING THINGS IN THIS PARK. THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE. I UNDERSTAND THE ZOO AND CONSERVATORY. CONSIDER THE EGRETS AND OTHER BURS A NUISANCE. WE DO NOT. YOU NEED TO IMMEDIATELY STOP THE NOISE NUISANCE YOU ARE CREATING TO SCARE OFF THE BIRDS TRYING TO LAND IN THEIR MIGRATORY PATH. THIS TYPE OF ACTIONS ARE INEXCUSABLE. HOW DARE YOU USE THE REPAIR OF THE WALL TO DANIEL ARMSTRONG, FOLLOWED BY AMALI. HI, MY NAME IS DANIEL ARMSTRONG. I AM AN ARTIST WHO USES THE PARK AS MY STUDIO. I'VE BEEN GOING THERE SINCE 2015 AND I'M HERE TO ARGUE IN FAVOR OF NOT CUTTING DOWN THE TREES AND CHASING OUT THE BIRDS. I THINK WE COULD BUILD THE WALL TO ACCOMMODATE THE TREES AND KEEP THEM THERE AND KEEP THAT AREA SHADED. IF YOU'VE SEEN THE PLANS FOR IT. I MEAN, WHEN IT'S FINISHED, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UH, THE SAME THING. I MEAN, THEY'RE ADDING A LOT OF CONCRETE. THEY'RE CHANGING A LOT OF THINGS. AND THE REASON THE ROOKERY HAS BECOME SO OVERPOPULATED BECAUSE IS BECAUSE THE BIRD'S HABITAT HAS BEEN DESTROYED AT LAKE ALMANOR AND OUR LADY OF THE LAKE AND THE SOLUTION THAT THEY HAVE COME UP IS TO DESTROY MORE HABITAT AND MAKE IT SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROBLEM. I THINK THE ROOKERY COULD BE A TOURIST ATTRACTION AND ITS OWN RIGHT. WE LITERALLY HAVE A COLONY OF SOME OF THE MOST HIGHLY EVOLVED DINOSAURS LIVING RIGHT THERE IN THE PARK. AND YOU CAN WALK RIGHT UP ON THAT BRIDGE AND ALMOST LIKE GET INSIDE OF IT. IT'S AMAZING. UH, I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF REVAMPING THE SWIMMING AREA IS A SUSTAINABLE IDEA. 'CAUSE THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUMP HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER EVERY WEEK OR DAY INTO THAT AREA. AND WE HAVE A WATER CRISIS. WE'VE BEEN IN A DROUGHT SINCE I WAS A CHILD AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA TO ADD TO THIS PROBLEM. UM, UM, NEW BRAUNFELS IS 25 MILES AWAY. YOU CAN GO THERE. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU BRA. OKAY. UM, MOLLY, WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR LAST NAME, UM, AND THEN YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY RICHARD REED. I JUST GO BY MOLLY COUNTY COMMISSIONER TOMMY CALVERT HAD APPARENTLY WROTE A LETTER AND HE'S TOTALLY AGAINST THE, THE TREE REMOVAL PROJECT. UM, PARKS AND RECS, IN MY OPINION, HAS A NEW NAME SPELLED W R E C K SS. BECAUSE THIS PROJECT IS RIPPING NOT ONLY MY BUT ALL CONSTITUENTS HISTORICAL RELATIONSHIP TO OUR PARK, PARKS AND RECREATION IS RIPPING THE PARK'S SOUL FROM THE INSIDE OUT, PLEASE DO NOT PERMIT PARKS AND WRECKS TO ROB ME OF MY ONLY REAL SENSE OF SECURITY IN THIS CITY. YOU SEE, I LIVE MY CHAOTIC A ADULT ADULTHOOD DOING MY BEST TO BE A STRONG, SUCCESSFUL, SELF-SUFFICIENT WOMAN. I CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON MELTING AND RETREATING TO BLACK AND TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND THE HERITAGE TREES. A PLACE THAT NOT ONLY BROUGHT BUT CONTINUES TO BRING ME PEACE, COMFORT, AND REMINDERS OF A CHILDHOOD WHEN THINGS WERE JOYFUL, SAFE, AND SECURE AS MY MOM AND DAD AND SIBLINGS ALL GOT ALONG, NOT REALLY FIGHTING, KIND OF SORT OF FIGHTING, BUT ALWAYS TOGETHER, PLEASE DO NOT PERMIT PARKS AND WRECKS TO ROB ME OF THAT INNOCENT CHILDHOOD MEMORY. I STRUGGLED TO HOLD DAILY WITH THIS TREE REMOVAL BESIDES REWARDING CONTRACTORS AND CATERING TO THE TOURISTS OPPOSED TO THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. AND USING OUR TAX DOLLARS IS VERY INSULTING TO SAY THE LEAST. THE CITY OFFICIALS NEED TO STOP USING OUR TAX DOLLARS TO FIGHT US, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY WORK FOR US. CHECK OUT THE CITY'S ORGANIZATION CHART. WE ARE ON THE VERY TOP APPOINTED OFFICIALS, ALL OF YOU, H D R C, YOU REPRESENT US. THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED YOU TO REPRESENT THE CONSTITUENTS WHO ELECTED THEM. SO SERVE US, NOT THEM. [03:00:01] STOP THE CHOP. THANK YOU. RICHARD. READ, FOLLOWED BY ROSE. I WON'T NEED IT UNTIL 10 MINUTES IN. I THINK I HAVE FOUR MINUTES. I THINK I HAVE FOUR MINUTES. IS IT FOR STRAW? YES. THERESA VAN HOY YIELDED HER TIME. THEREA, ARE YOU HERE? YES. NO, SHE WAS LOCKED OUT, SO SHE, SHE DIDN'T GET IN. SO I'LL TAKE WHATEVER TIME I'M OFFERED. OKAY, GO AHEAD. RICHARD REED. UM, I LIVE AT 6 1 5 RIVER ROAD, UH, ADJACENT TO THE BREAKENRIDGE PARK. I'VE APPEARED BEFORE YOU IN MY CAPACITY AS, UH, CHAIR OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SEVERAL TIMES. BUT I COME HERE WITH A, WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT HAT AND, AND ONE, ONE HAT. I'M A PROFESSOR AT TRINITY UNIVERSITY IN ANTHROPOLOGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES. UM, BUT THE OTHER ONE, AND THIS IS REALLY PULLING, UM, I STARTED OUT MY CAREER AS AN ARCHEOLOGIST WORKING FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. AND I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE RESTORATION OF, UH, FORT SNELLING BUILT IN 1820 BY FORCED LABOR ALSO. AND, AND SO WHILE IT DOESN'T MAKE ME AN AUTHORITY IN WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, IT'S GIVEN ME A REAL SENSITIVITY TO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO ATTEND TO. AND FIRST OF ALL, I, I'M AWARE, AND I WAS AWARE THEN, AND I'M REALLY AWARE NOW WHEN I SEE THE PUBLIC TURNOUT FOR THIS, THAT THESE KIND OF PROJECTS REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER MULTIPLE PRIORITIES. AND WHAT WE SEE IS WE SEE A PROJECT WHICH IS PROBABLY REALLY GOOD AT REPAIRING WALLS, BUT I'M NOT SO SURE IT'S GOOD AT PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. AND I'M NOT SO SURE IT'S GOOD AT LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY SAY, DON'T CUT DOWN THE TREES. I THINK THAT THINK THAT BUILDING, I THINK THE PROTECTING IS HISTORIC STRUCTURES IS IMPORTANT, AND I REALLY WANT THIS PROJECT TO GO THROUGH IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, BUT NOT IN THE CURRENT FORM, WHICH IS GOING, MAKING IT THE ONLY PRIORITY. I THINK THAT, THAT THESE OTHER PRIORITIES NEED TO BE FIT IN. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING, AS THE LAST SPEAKER SAID, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A RECREATION OF SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT IN, IN, IN, IN 1920. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RESTORATION AT BEST. AND MUCH OF IT, THIS RESTORATION IS ACTUALLY A RENOVATION WHICH IS GONNA TRANSFORM THE PURPOSES OF EVERYTHING FROM, FROM THE PUMP HOUSE TO THE, THE AREA BETWEEN THE RACEWAY AND THE PUMP HOUSE. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS TAKING SOMETHING AND TRANSFORMING IT FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT RECREATING WHAT WAS. AND SO CONSEQUENTLY, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE PRIORITIES HAVE TO INCLUDE THE, THE TREES AND THE, THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENT. I THINK THAT THAT CAN BE INTEGRATED INTO THIS RENOVATION WITHOUT A PROBLEM. RICHARD, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. IS THERE SOMEBODY HERE THAT CAN YIELD TIME FOR THE ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES? YES, I CAN. WHAT IS YOUR NAME? RICHARD? YEAH. OKAY. TWO MINUTES LEFT. THANK YOU. CORY. THERESA DIDN'T SIGN IN AND SHE'S NOT PRESENT. THANK YOU. THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER WAY. I COME AT THIS, AT THIS STORY AND THAT'S THAT I SPENT, I'VE SPENT 14 YEARS AS, AS THE, ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AT SARAH AND I CHAIRED THE CLEAN RIVERS PROGRAM. AND IN THAT PROCESS I REALLY PAID ATTENTION TO LAND A BEACH. WE, WE SET OUT TO TRY TO CLEAN THIS, THIS WATER AND TRANSFORM IT INTO SOMETHING THAT WAS SWIMMABLE. AND WHILE I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE AT THIS PRESENT, WHAT I SEE IS A REDUCTION IN CANOPY THAT'S GONNA INCREASE THE WATER, INCREASE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE WATER, AND THEN, AND DECREASE THE OXYGEN IN THAT AREA. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST POLLUTED PART OF THE RIVER WE HAVE. SO CONSEQUENTLY, I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO PRESENT, PROTECT THE, THE, THE CANOPY AS A WAY OF KEEPING THE WATER COOL AND, AND PROTECTING THAT. THE THIRD THING I THINK THAT'S REALLY CLEAR FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN TODAY IS DO WE HAVE, HAVE THAT, THAT MAP? THE THIRD THING THAT'S REALLY CLEAR TODAY IS THAT THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO SLOW DOWN. AND THIS IS WHY I'M, I'M ARGUING FOR CON A CONTINUANCE OF THE PROPOSAL TO CONSIDER IT AFTER, AFTER IT CAN, THE DETAILS CAN BE CLEANED UP. IN GOING THROUGH THESE, THESE VARIOUS PLANS, WE'VE SAID OVER 20, BETWEEN 25 AND 30 TREES IN THE VARIOUS MAPS WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED, DIFFER IN HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE TREATED IN THIS, WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKEN OUT OR NOT IN THAT PROCESS, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE TAKEN OUT WITHOUT HISTORIC OBSERVANCE. TREES THAT ARE PRESENTLY EMBEDDED IN THE DAM ARE GONNA BE CUT WITHOUT ANY HISTORIC OVERSIGHT. AND THIS, THIS IS, IS A REAL OVERSIGHT. I THINK THOSE KIND OF PLANS NEED TO BE CLEANED UP. I THINK THAT THE REMOVAL OF HERITAGE TREES THAT AREN'T IN THE RIVER, RIVER BED NEEDS TO BE RECONSIDERED. THERE ARE THREE HERITAGE TREES OVER NEAR THE LILY POND THAT ARE DESTINED TO COME OUT AND THEY DON'T SIT WHAT I CONSIDER THE BANKS OF THE RIVER. SO, THANK YOU ROSE HILL. MS. HILL WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. UM, ROBERT [03:05:01] MOFFITT, YOU'LL DO HIS TIME. ROBERT, ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, PERFECT. AND THEN YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, LAST NAME ROSE. UH, GOOD, GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ROSE HILL. I'M PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ALSO, UH, PRESIDENT OF D TWO PRESENCE ROUNDTABLE, WHICH IS 31 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT FALL WITHIN DISTRICT TWO. TODAY I'M ASKING THAT YOU DENY THIS REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. FIRST OF ALL, UH, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH COMMUNITY INPUT, THOUGH. THEY SAY THERE WAS. I DIFFER THAT ON THAT SUBJECT. UH, I SAT ON THE 2017 BOND COMMITTEE. UH, I WAS VERY, UM, HONORED AND VERY PROUD THAT COUNCILMAN WORK PUT ME ON THERE AS, AS A CITIZEN FROM DISTRICT TWO TO SIT ON THERE. I ATTENDED ALL THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, THOUGH I WAS PUT ON SIDEWALKS AND STREETS. I ATTENDED MANY OF THE PARKS. THE PARKS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, UH, NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. NOWHERE WAS IT EVER MENTIONED THAT THESE TREES WERE GOING TO BE REMOVED. I THINK NOW BETWEEN THAT 2017 BOND MEETING AND NOW THERE WAS A DECISION, BUT THAT DECISION DID NOT COME TO THE COMMUNITY. AND WE ARE ALWAYS HEARING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND ON YOUR WEBSITES THAT THE CITIZENS MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO BE HEARD. WELL, THAT TODAY YOU HEAR THAT, YOU'RE HEARING THAT FROM JUST FROM ME, FROM DISTRICT TWO. TODAY YOU'RE HEARING IT FROM ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE. THAT FROM THAT FALL WITHIN ALL 10 COUNCIL DISTRICTS OF THIS CITY THAT HAVE PASSION AND OUTSIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, THAT HAVE COME IN TO SEE ABOUT THESE TREES. FIRST OF ALL, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AS A TAXPAYER AND A CITIZEN OF SAN ANTONIO, WHY DID WE LET THESE PARKS GET SO DETERIORATED? WE SHOULD NOT OUR, WE ARE TAXPAYERS. THAT MONEY THAT WE PAY FOR OUR TAXES SHOULD HAVE BEEN TO THAT PARK. UM, MAYBE THEY SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. I DON'T KNOW. BUT MONEY SHOULDN'T. MONEY SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE, NOT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PARKS. WE DESERVE BETTER. WE CANNOT REMOVE HISTORY. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOT, THERE'S SOME ISSUES AT THE PARK THAT, UH, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME REPAIRS. BUT I KEEP HEARING REPAIR. THAT'S NOT THE SOLUTION HERE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THE SOLUTION HERE IS TO REPLACE THAT WALL. IF THEY REPAIR THOSE WALLS IN 10 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK WITH SOME MORE MONEY. ALSO, IN THE PICTURES THAT THEY SHOWED YOU, THERE IS FIVE FEET FROM THOSE TREES THAT CAN BE BUILT. WE HERE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DEVELOPERS IN, IN SAN ANTONIO. THEY'RE BUILDING ALL THESE BIG HIGH RISE BUILDINGS. YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THERE'S NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT CAN SAY IT CAN BE DONE, OR DO WE NEED TO GO OUTSIDE SAN ANTONIO AND GET A THIRD, THIRD, UH, DISINTERESTED PARTY, UH, OPINION, BUT IT CAN BE DONE. WHAT WE'RE ASKING TODAY IS LET'S FIND A SOLUTION. LET'S COME TOGETHER, LET'S WORK TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN ELIMINATE THE CUTTING OF THOSE TREES. THOSE CUTTING OF THOSE TREES COME BACK FROM OUR ANCESTORS. AS A CHILD, I WENT THERE. I WON'T TELL YOU HOW OLD I AM, BUT, UH, I WENT TO THAT PARK. MY KIDS WENT TO THAT PARK. MY GRANDKIDS WENT TO THAT PARK. MY GREAT-GREAT-GRANDMOTHER WENT TO THAT PARK. THOSE THAT PARK HAS HISTORY. WHAT THEY DID MENTION TODAY ALSO OF THE CLOSING OF ONE IMPORTANT STREET THAT'S NEAR THE, THE PUMP, THE PUMP HOUSE, THAT ROAD, AND ESPECIALLY THAT ROAD, PLAYS A SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT PART ON A LOT OF THE LOW RIDERS. COME DOWN THROUGH THOSE, THROUGH THAT PARK. THAT ROAD ALSO IS VERY IMPORTANT WHEN THE PEOPLE FOR EASTER PARK, IF THEY CLOSE THAT ONE STREET DOWN, THAT'S GONNA EVEN CREATE MORE CONFUSION, MORE UM, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, TRAFFIC JAM. ONE OF THE THING THAT I'M OTHER DISAPPOINTED ABOUT IS THE CHILDREN'S PARK. THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE BECAUSE OF THE BIRD, UM, POOP FROM THAT'S HAPPENED ON THERE. THE KIDS, THEY CLOSED DOWN THE PARK. THERE'S A, THERE WAS A SOLUTION THERE TOO. THEY COULD HAVE PUT A CANOPY OVER THAT PARK OVER THE, WHERE THE KIDS PLAY AT. THERE'S NO REASON WHY OUR KIDS HAVE BEEN, UH, NEGLECTED OR NOT GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN THERE AND PLAY ON THAT PLAYGROUND FOR SUCH A LONG TIME. THERE'S JUST NO EXCUSE. UH, THEY DID NOT MENTION THEY, WHEN WE TALK, UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SAVING OUR ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU ROSE. BY REMOVING THE TREES WILL NOT NOT ENHANCE OUR PARK, BUT IT'S GONNA HURT OUR PARK. PLEASE SAY NO TO OUR REQUEST. NEXT SPEAKER IS LAST NAME ROSE? I CAN'T READ THE FIRST NAME. I'M GONNA NEED HELP WITH THAT. OH, GRACE, I'M SORRY. I KNOW YOU, THIS LOOKS AND SHE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY BARBARA. BUT HOW WELL, I GUESS WE CAN SAY GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M GRACE ROSE GONZALEZ. I'M WITH, UH, KEYSTONE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'M THE PAST PRESIDENT AND I ALSO AM A PASS ZONING COMMISSIONER, SO I UNDERSTAND HOW LONG IT CAN TAKE AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO. UM, LET'S JUST START OFF WITH ONE OF THOSE TREES [03:10:01] BEING 278 YEARS OLD AND IN 278 YEARS AGO IN 1744, SAN FERNANDO WAS JUST COMPLETED IN 1899. THAT WAS THE BEGINNING. THAT WAS THE OPENING OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND THAT TREE WAS 150 YEARS OLD. WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREDIBLE LEGACY HERE, THE ARCHIVES OF OUR CITY. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE AS A CITY ARE KNOWN FOR OUR ABILITY TO AND, AND OUR DEAFNESS IN THE RIVER. WE'VE CREATED A LOCK DAMS. WE'VE DONE SO MUCH THAT INCREASING THE LENGTH OF THE RIVER, WHATEVER, THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MOVE THAT WALL, UM, OUT TO SAVE THOSE TREES. THERE'S JUST NO REASON THAT THAT WALL CANNOT BE MOVED. UM, I DID VISIT WITH THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION AND ACTUALLY THERE ISN'T AN APPLICATION YET FULLY IN. I DISCUSSED, UM, THE WALL AND THE TREES AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE TREE. THAT THE, ACTUALLY, THAT WALL WAS BUILT FOR THE TREES. IT'S A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP. THOSE, THE TREE AND THE WALL ARE TOGETHER. WE JUST NEED TO MOVE THAT WALL. AND IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE. AND THE REASON WE CAN'T DO IT, I DON'T KNOW, BEING THAT WE ARE RIVER CITY. SO PLEASE DENY THIS APPLICATION TO, UH, REMOVE THOSE TREES AND OUR HISTORY. THANK YOU. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. UM, LET'S SEE. COULD YOU PUT THAT UP PLEASE? AND THEN THE MAP AFTER THAT. UH, MY NAME IS BARBARA WHIT HOWELL. I'M FROM RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD AND CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS ONE AND TWO. THIS CASE PROPOSES TO REMOVE SIGNIFICANT AND HERITAGE TREES LOCATED ON THE BANKS OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT IMPORTANT HISTORIC RESOURCES. THE URGENCY OF THIS CASE COMBINES THE REMOVAL OF TREES ALONG WITH THE DISPLACEMENT OF THE HERON HERON RES NEW WORD. A TERM USED TO DESCRIBE A MIX OF YELLOW C CROWN HIGH HERONS GRAFTER EGRETS, BOTH ABOUT 20 EACH AND ALREADY HERE, AND CATTLE EGRETS IN THE HUNDREDS. NUMBER ON THEIR WAY IN TWO TO THREE WEEKS. THEY LAY EGGS FROM MARCH TO MAY AND HAVE A THREE YEAR RETURN PROBABILITY, WHICH IS DRIVING THIS URGENCY TO BEGIN NOW TO REMOVE THE NESTING TREES AND DISPLACE THE BIRDS TO ANOTHER LOCATION USING THOSE CLAPPERS IN THE POPPER GUNS. THIS DOCUMENT WAS GENERATED THAT'S UP THERE RIGHT NOW, UH, BY TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE AND DETAILS ISSUES HEROIN ANDIES HAVE WHERE BIRDS STRONGLY CONFLICT WITH HUMAN NEEDS. HERON'S, EGRETS, AND OTHER COLONIAL NESTING. WATERBIRDS CAN BE OFFENSIVE WHEN LOCATED ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND AIRPORTS BECAUSE OF NOISE, ODOR, HEALTH HAZARDS, BROKEN EGGS, DECOMPOSING BIRDS ASSOCIATED PARASITIC INSECTS AND DISEASES, AND THE POTENTIAL DANGER TO AIRCRAFT. THEY PRODUCE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS UPON EFFECTS UPON VEGETATION BECAUSE OF THE EXCREMENT ON PLANT SOIL OR WATER. AND THEY ALIGHT ON BORDERING ROADS, DRIVEWAYS, YARDS, AND THEIR EXCREMENT FALLS UPON PARKED VEHICLES, YARD EQUIPMENT, LAWN FURNITURE, ROOFS, ET CETERA. COULD YOU PUT THE MAP UP NOW? THANKS. WE NEED A MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WILL NOT JUST DISPLACE THESE BIRDS FROM THE PARK, BUT WOULD DIRECT THE BIRDS PAST OUR VALUED NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE SOUTHEAST FARMING LANDS WHERE THEY'RE WANTED. THIS MAP, UH, HAS GEOGRAPHIC HISTORICAL REFERENCES. THE HERON KNIGHTS, THE HARRIES FROM RANDOM, I'M SORRY, THE HAR THE BIRDS FROM RANDOLPH, UH, WERE MOVED TO, TO SINE LACKLAND. KELLY AND STINSON BIRDS WERE DISPLACED TO THE EAST, SOME TO CALAVERAS AND SOME NORTH TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THEY CAN'T GO FURTHER NORTH DUE TO THE SAN ANTONIO AIRPORT AND THE AIRPORTS ARE ACTUALLY ON THIS MAP. IT'S GREAT. I REQUEST THAT WE CONTINUE THIS CASE 2022 DASH 0 7 9 AND DIRECT OUR CITY STAFF TO COORDINATE WITH BEXAR COUNTY AND TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE TO DEVELOP A A COM TO DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE MANAGEMENT PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, IS IT RORY O'NEILL? YEAH. LAST NAME'S O'NEILL. FIRST NAME STARTS WITH AN R. OKAY. I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO, UM, GERON NARE. IT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, LAST NAME GOMEZ. ALRIGHT, JUST LET ME KNOW WHENEVER YOU'RE READY AND I'LL START. UH, AS THE, UH, WONDERFUL PERSON SAID, MY NAME'S GE JOHN ZIGMAN. UM, I'M AN I S A CERTIFIED [03:15:01] ARBORIST, UH, AND TREE RAT, WHICH IS A ROPE ACCESS TECHNICIAN. I DON'T USE LADDERS TO GO UP INTO AND COME OUT OF TREES AND PERFORM TREE WORK FOR PEOPLE. I LITERALLY USE A HARNESS AND A ROPE ALL DAY AND PICK A SPECIFIC LIMB TO HOLD MY BODY WEIGHT AND SUSPEND ME IN THE TREE WHILE I WORK AND NAVIGATE THROUGHOUT THE TREE. I HAVE WORKED SPECIFICALLY ON THE TREES THAT ARE SLATED TO BE REMOVED. I AS AN ARBORIST, AS A CITIZEN SCIENTIST, DO NOT SEE THAT THOSE TREES FOR ANY OTHER REASON OTHER THAN OUR HUMAN WANT TO INTERACT AND HAVE DOMINION OVER NATURE, SHOULD BE REMOVED. UM, THERE ARE SLIGHT DETAILS, SOME DEFICIENCIES IN THEM THAT OCCUR IN ALL TREES, BUT IT'S PART OF A MUCH LARGER URBAN LANDSCAPE THAT WE NEED TO GIVE CREDIT TO THAT WHILE THIS BEAUTIFUL LIMESTONE WALL, WHICH I I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S NOT THAT PRETTY, UM, IS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. SOME OF THESE TREES WE HAVE NOT PROPERLY, UM, CATALOGED AND BEEN ABLE TO MEASURE THEIR RINGS BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T FALLEN, NOR HAVE WE, UH, BEEN ABLE TO REALLY ASCERTAIN THEIR EXACT AGES. SO THEY COULD BE THAT LONG, IF NOT OLDER. BUT THE REAL POINT I WANNA MAKE IS ONCE THE WALL WAS BUILT, IT WAS BUILT AND LEFT ALONE. THESE TREES HAVE SPENT YEARS UPON YEARS STACKING CELLULAR TISSUE AND GROWTH BASED OFF OF OUR WASTE, BASED OFF OF OUR CARBON DIOXIDE. AND THEY'VE HAVE STOOD AND WITHSTOOD THE TEST OF TIME AGAIN AND AGAIN THROUGH HISTORIC FLOODS, REMOVING TREES OF THAT SIZE THAT HAVE EXPANSIVE ROOT SYSTEMS THAT HOLD ONTO THAT MUCH SOIL. AND HAVING A PLAN WHERE YOU DECIDE TO PLANT, AND SORRY, I, I WISH THE STANDARDS WERE UP THERE OF WHAT WE PLAN ON REPLACING THAT THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT VALUE THAT WILL EQUAL WHAT WILL BE LOST. UM, THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. I HAVE PERSONALLY WORKED WITH PARKS AND RECREATION AT CITY HALL, PRUNING THE TREES AND GUIDING TREE CREWS AT THE SPANISH GOVERNOR'S PALACE. THE PLEASANT, UH, PLEASANTON ROAD PARK THAT WAS UNABLE TO BE OPENED BECAUSE A WALL I I HELP FIX, IF THEY FALL IN THE WATER, WE CAN EASILY PULL THEM OUT BECAUSE I'VE DONE IT PERSONALLY MYSELF AND THAT'S FAR LESS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAN YOU KNOW. OKAY. AND I'M NEXT AFTER THIS WILL BE DORIS. UM, ELLE. ELLE. ELLE. HI THERE. MY NAME IS AARON ASHLEY GOMEZ. I LIVE AT 3 3 5 RODMAN ROAD, UH, WHICH PUTS ME IN DISTRICT TWO. I AM REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICATION FOR THE REMOVAL OF THESE TREES BE DENIED WITH PREJUDICE. IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT A FEW INJUSTICES ARE BEING SUPPORTED BY THE CITY. SPANISH QUAIA AND CRUMBLING, CRUMBLING, RETAINING WALLS ARE BEING PRIORITIZED OVER HISTORIC HERITAGE TREES DESPITE THE NATURAL EROSION, STABILIZING ABILITIES, TREES, AND A DIVERSIFIED LANDSCAPE PROVIDE. IN BIRD CITY SAN ANTONIO, MIGRATORY BIRDS, BELOVED BY BIRD WATCHERS, PHOTOGRAPHERS, RESIDENTS ALIKE HAVE BEEN LABELED AS A BURDEN AND WILL BE RELOCATED BECAUSE PARKS AND REC DEEMS THEM INS SANITARY. THREE, OUR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S HISTORY HAS BEEN WHITEWASHED. 300 YEARS DOES NOT SURPASS THE 12,000 YEARS. THE COMANCHE BAA LIPAN APACHE PEOPLE THRIVED HERE. THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO RESTORE THESE QUAIA WALLS AND WALLS BECAUSE THERE AREN'T THAT MANY LEFT, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT STILL NO EXCUSE TO DESTROY LIVING TREES. THE CHOICE WAS BETWEEN T H C O H P PERMITS OR A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD FLOOD PLANE PERMIT, WHICH NOW WE KNOW THE T H C PERMIT WAS NOT EVEN, UM, APPLIED FOR. THERE SHOULD BE NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THE BENEFITS OF LIVING A HUNDRED PLUS YEAR OLD TREES AND CRUMBLING WALLS THAT WILL BE REINFORCED UNTIL THE INEVITABLE HAPPENS. THE E EQUIAS AND WALLS WILL CRUMBLE, LEAVING AN UNSIGHTLY CONCRETE WALL WITH NO HISTORICAL IM IMPORTANCE. I'LL ALSO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT IF THESE TREES GET CUT DOWN OR REMOVED ENTIRELY, THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THAT RIVER RIVERBANK WILL CRUMBLE AND ERODE AT AN EVEN FASTER RATE WHEN THE NEXT FLOOD HAPPENS. NOT ENOUGH. PRE COLONIALIZATION RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE TO VALIDATE THE WALL'S IMPORTANCE OVER THE TREES AND SURROUNDING LANDSCAPE. UM, CONNOR IS GIVING ME HIS TWO MINUTES. OH YES, I SEE THAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. I FIND IT VERY UPSETTING THAT THE PARKS AND REC AND PROJECT MANAGER LIED TO OUR FACES AT THE BRACKEN RIDGE WALKTHROUGH. WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT THE CITY'S HANDS WERE TIED IN REGARDS TO THE LACK OF EFFORT TO SAVE THE TREES. AFTER DELIBERATE INTERROGATION FROM ME AND MY TEAM, UM, A DIFFERENT CITY MEMBER, LET TWO OF US KNOW THAT IN FACT IT WAS [03:20:01] AN OVERLAP IN CONSERVATION, IN CONSERVATION EFFORTS. AND THIS IN FACT WAS A CHOICE. SHAME ON Y'ALL. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TRUST THE CITY IS DOING THE BEST THEY CAN WHEN THEY'RE SELECTIVELY TRANSPARENT AS THE FIRSTBORN TO HISPANIC FAMILY? BECAUSE I SAID SO, INFURIATES ME AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE SUCH DISRESPECT. AFTER SPEAKING TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL TREE COALITION, AN ARCHITECT AND OTHER INDEPENDENT ARBORIST, THEY INFORMED ME THAT THEY'RE INDEED MULTIPLE ALTERNATIVES TO REMOVING THESE TREES, REMOVING DEAD DECAYING TREES, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD AND DECAY AND WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET HURT. RESTORING PARTS OF THE WALL WHERE TREES AREN'T AFFECTED AND DEMOLISHING WHERE THEY ARE. WE CAN ALSO REPLICATE THE WALLS AND QUASS WITH OLD STONES ON HIGHER GROUND AND MAYBE EVEN INCORPORATE INTO THE PUMP HOUSE REVITALIZATION WITH APPROPRIATE TO GET EDUCATIONAL LITERATURE ABOUT A SMALL FRACTION OF SAN ANTONIO'S TRUE HISTORY. UH, WE SHOULD ALSO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CONSERVATION CREWS, LOCAL CONSERVATION CREWS TO DESIGN A TYCENE RIVER BANK FILLED WITH NATIVE SPECIES, TREES, SHRUBS AND GRASSES, POLLINATOR PLANTS, AS WELL AS EDIBLE INDIGENOUS PLANTS AND TREES. I'VE GIVEN, GIVEN I HAVE HAD MORE TIME TO SPEAK, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF ALTERNATIVES I CAN SUGGEST. SEPARATE FROM THIS MEETING. SAN ANTONIO, NEW BRAUNFELS, SAN MARCO AND AUSTIN, ALL LOCATED ON THE EDWARDS AQUIFER ARE THE ONLY CITIES IN TEXAS THAT HAVE THESE GEYSER SPRINGS LIKE BLUE HOLE. IT WOULD BE WISE TO SEEK THEIR ADVICE ON HOW TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, SEEN AS THEY DON'T HAVE NEARLY AS MUCH CONCRETE AS SAN ANTONIO DOES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND AFTER YOU'LL BE MOSES HOLLANDER. SHOOT. SORRY. I NEED MY GLASSES. . HI, MY NAME IS DORIS HEL. I LIVE OFF OF 24 47 HARRY WARS BLOCK ROAD BETWEEN RIGHT NEXT TO RIMAN. UM, I PERSONALLY DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS PROPOSAL. I SAY NAY, NO. WHY? I'VE LIVED OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTRY BEFORE. I'VE BEEN TO PLACES THAT ARE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD. THEY'VE HAD BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS BY MO BY EITHER MOVING THE WALLS MORE FORWARD OR RESTABILIZING THE WALLS. IT IS POSSIBLE THERE ARE ENGINEERS THAT CAN FIX THE SITUATION WITHOUT HAVING TO REMOVE THESE TREES. IT IS POSSIBLE YOU HAVE CIVIL YOU, IT'S POSSIBLE IF YOU CAN DO IT IN EUROPE, THEY CAN DO IT HERE. OKAY. ON TOP, ON TOP OF THAT, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT, NONE OF THE STUFF LOGICALLY MAKES ANY SENSE. AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU'RE ADDING STUFF THAT WASN'T EVEN IN THE BOND BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IN THE GOVERNMENT CODE TITLE IX, PUBLIC SECURITIES AND CHAPTER 1,251 FOR BOND ELECTIONS, SUB CHAPTER A PROVISIONS RELATING GENERALLY TO COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL BOND ELECTIONS. SECTION 0 0 1 BOND ELECTION REQUIRED. A COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY MAY NOT ISSUE BONDS THAT ARE NOT PAID FOR AT VALIUM TAX UNLESS ASSURANCE IS FIRST APPROVED BY THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY OF AN ELECTION. AND WHAT WAS PASSED IN 2017 IS APPROVED FOR THAT. WE HAVEN'T HAD IT APPROVED WHAT IS BEING REVISED? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE HAVING A REVISION OF A BOND, IT NEEDS TO BE GO THROUGH BY THE TAXPAYERS, BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY. SO WHAT THEY WANT TO PROPOSE, IT NEEDS TO BE PUT ONTO THE NEXT BALLOT SO THAT THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO CAN, CAN PUT THEIR VOICE INTO IT. THANK YOU. MOSES HOLLANDER, FOLLOWED BY MARGARITA. UH, MADONNA. HELLO, MY NAME IS MOSES HOLLANDER. I'M 11 YEARS OLD AND I GO TO THE CIRCLE SCHOOL ON PERSIAN AVENUE IN THE MANKY AREA. I REALLY THINK THAT TAKING AWAY THESE TREES IS A BAD IDEA. I MEAN, FOR ONE TEXAS, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, SAN ANTONIO IS A CERTIFIED BIRD CITY BY TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, TO GET INTO THE BIRD CITY PROGRAM, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH RIGOROUS, YOU KNOW, TESTINGS AND WHATNOT, ACCOMPLISH CERTAIN GOALS. AND THAT ALSO MEANS YOU HAVE TO UPHOLD A COUPLE MAJOR PRINCIPLES. ONE OF WHICH BEING HABITAT MANAGEMENT, I DON'T THINK DESTROYING HUNDREDS OF TREES THAT ARE NESTING AREAS AND WORKIES FOR THESE CATTLE, EGRETS AND CORMORANTS [03:25:01] IS UPHOLDING TO THAT IN ANY WAY. OUR SCHOOL, WE ALSO GO TO THE PARK REGULARLY AND I MEAN, IT'S, THE TREES ARE THE LIFE OF THE AREA. YOU KNOW, THEY BRING THE BIRDS. I MEAN, WE HAVE NATURE STUDIES THERE. YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE BIRDS. IT HELPS OUR EDUCATION AND IT'S JUST A MAGICAL EXPERIENCE TO ABLE TO GO OUT THERE AND EXPERIENCE THIS LIFE. AND I MEAN, PEOPLE TRAVEL FROM ACROSS COUNTRIES TO SEE THESE BIRDS, THESE ANTS, THESE EGRETS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE THEM AWAY. IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. MARGARITA MALDONADO, FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA PRATCHETT. UH, MARGARITA RECEIVED FOUR MINUTES. IT LOOKS LIKE JENNIFER LANE HAS YIELDED HER TIME. PERFECT. UM, A LITTLE AFRAID TO FOLLOW THE LITTLE BOY, BUT, UM, . MY NAME IS MARGARITA MALDONADO. I LIVE AT 91 BLUE THORN TRAIL, WHICH PUTS ME IN DISTRICT EIGHT. I ACTUALLY LIVE NEAR FRIEDRICH PARK. UM, AND I'VE HAD RACCOONS IN MY ATTIC AND FERAL HOGS DIG UP MY FRONT YARD. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT WILDLIFE IN YOUR, UM, AREA, DON'T LIVE NEXT TO A, A PARK BECAUSE THEY WILL, THEY WILL COME OVER. UM, SO I HAD MY, MY INITIAL QUESTIONS WERE, UH, CONCERNING THE, UM, RESTRICTIONS, UH, PLACED ON THE PROJECT, UH, BY THE SUPPOSED, UH, DESIGN HISTORICAL DESIGNATIONS, WHICH IF WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, UH, FROM THE NATIONAL REGISTRAR, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? UM, MR. UH, MORENO FROM PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING AROUND TELLING PEOPLE THAT WE CANNOT, UH, UH, WE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO MOVE WALLS FORWARD OR BACKWARD OR ADJUST ANY CONFIGURATIONS TO AVOID OR OTHERWISE DISTANCE THE WALLS FROM ANY OF THE EXISTING TREES DUE TO THESE RESTRICTIONS PLACED UPON US BY THESE HISTORICAL DESIGNATIONS. BUT AGAIN, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION, WHERE ARE THE RESTRICTIONS? UM, I DON'T, I I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND. UM, I WISH THOSE SLIDES, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE ASA THE, THE UPPER LABEL DAM, UPPER LABOR DAM AND THE OTHER PROJECT AREAS WERE PUT UP AGAIN BECAUSE THE AREA IS HORRIBLE. I WAS THERE ON A TOUR ON SUNDAY. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING QUITE SO HORRIBLE. MAYBE THEY JUST TOOK REALLY, YOU KNOW, GOOD SHOTS TO MAKE THEIR CASE. BUT, UM, HOW WERE THOSE TREES ALLOWED TO GROW FOR SO LONG, UH, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, CRUMBLE THOSE STRUCTURES? THAT'S ONE THING I WANNA KNOW. AND IT ALSO MAKES ME FEARFUL FOR THE 400 NEW TREES. UM, IF THAT'S THE STATE OF THE PARK, UH, UP TO THIS POINT, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THEM. ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT, UH, THE 400 NEW TREES. UM, HAS ANYBODY DONE ANY E ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDIES? THOSE TREES ARE GONNA NEED WATER. THOSE TREES ARE GONNA NEED CARE. HOW MUCH IS THAT GONNA COST IF WE REMOVE EXISTING TREE CANOPY, IF WE REMOVE EXISTING ROOT STRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY GIVING THE CITY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF, UH, UH, RESOURCE? WHAT'S THE BALANCE? UM, AGAIN, NOT ALL THE TREES ARE GONNA GO INTO THE PARK. THEY SAID ON THE TOUR THEY CAN'T FIT ALL THOSE TREES IN THE PARK. SO WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? AND ARE THEY GONNA BE BUILT? ARE THE TREES GONNA BE PUT IN ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, AREAS? BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES IN THE PARK THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE PERMITTING. BECAUSE WHEN YOU START DIGGING, IF YOU'RE DIGGING IN AN ARCHEOLOGICAL AREA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REQUEST PERMITS. NONE OF THIS HAS WAS DISCUSSED IN THE 2017, UH, BOND PROJECT. SO IS, WAS THERE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY? THIS IS A FLOODPLAIN, THIS IS URBAN HEAT ISLAND AREA. YOU'RE REMOVING CANOPY, YOU'RE REMOVING, AGAIN, YOU'RE REMOVING ROOTS, LIVING ROOTS. YOU CUT DOWN THE TREE, THEY WANNA LEAVE THE ROOTS. 'CAUSE THE ROOTS ARE GONNA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ROOTS ARE GONNA DO. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA ROT IN THE GROUND. THEY'RE NOT GONNA PROVIDE ANY SERVICE. SO AGAIN, WAS THERE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY? BECAUSE FLOODINGS GONNA HAPPEN. IT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU'VE REMOVED THE TREES. EVEN IF YOU REPLACE THE TREES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY SERVICE OUTTA THOSE TREES FOR A GOOD 15 YEARS. SO 400 TREES SOUNDS NICE, BUT WILL THEY ALL MAKE IT? HOW MUCH WATER ARE WE GONNA SPEND? WELL, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE GONNA SPEND ON WATER AND CARE? DOES IT, DOES IT BALANCE OUT? ARE WE IN A NET NEGATIVE OR A NET POSITIVE FOR THE PROJECT? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THOSE THINGS. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THAT. BUT AGAIN, IF WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE PERMITS, HOW ARE THEY GOING AROUND SAYING THAT WE HAVE THESE RESTRICTIONS, WE MUST DO THIS, WE MUST LEAVE THESE IN PLACE. WE MUST REMOVE THESE TREES. THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS. WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIGNATION. I'D LIKE THEM TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, UM, HAVE THIS [03:30:01] CURRENT APPLICATION DENIED. THANK YOU. WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HEAR FROM ARLENE FISHER NEXT, FOLLOWED BY SUSAN STR. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS ARLENE FISHER. IT'S 7 1 7 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE. I ATTENDED THE TOWN HALL AND A TOUR OF BRACKRIDGE PARK FOR THE REASONING OF THE PARKS REQUEST TO REMOVE THE HERD TREES DURING THE PANDEMIC. I VISITED THE PARK ALMOST DAILY, EXERCISING, WATCHES FAMILIES ENJOY THE OUTDOORS AND WALKING THE SHELTER DOGS. IT WAS TRULY MY RESPITE. DURING A TIME OF UNCERTAINTY AND ANXIETY, I BIKED FOR MILES ALONG BRACKEN RIDGE PARK AND THE MISSION REACH. I FELT A TANGIBLE CONNECTION AND APPRECIATION OF THE UNIQUE HISTORY, WILDLIFE, HIKING AND BIKING TRAILS, THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT IS AT MY DOORSTEP. AND IN AN URBAN SETTING. I DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND DEDICATION IT TAKES TO PRESERVE THIS UNIQUE URBAN JEWEL. I EMPATHIZE WITH THE CITY EMPLOYEES WHO AS AN INSURMOUNTABLE TASK OUT OF THE HEARING TO FEDERAL, STATE, AND HISTORIC GUIDELINES WITHIN A STRINGENT BUDGET AND TIMELINE. I THANK THEM FOR THEIR PATIENCE AND TOLERANCE IN EXPLAINING CITY MANDATES. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE, AND THAT'S WHY I AM SPEAKING TODAY. WHAT STRUCK ME DURING OUR TOUR IS AT LEAST A PORTION OF THE TARGETED HERITAGE TREES ARE DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN THE UNIQUE AND VISUAL LANDSCAPE. THEY CANNOT BE REPLACED WITHOUT THESE TREES. THERE IS NOT THE UNIQUE AND AUTHENTIC REPRESENTATION OF SAN ANTONIO, SAN ANTONIO'S LANDMARK PARK. BRECKENRIDGE PARK IS NOT SOME KIND OF PRE-DESIGNED DISNEY THEME PARK. IT IS MESSY. LIFE IS MESSY. UH, SINCE 2000. THERE'S A HISTORY OF MOVING OR DISPLACING THE EGRETS MULTIPLE TIMES. IT APPEARS, UM, A VERY IRRESPONSIBLE THAT THE CITY, COUNTY STATE DOES NOT HAVE A LONG-TERM PLAN TO RELOCATE THESE BIRDS TO A MORE RURAL HABITAT WHERE THEY COULD SURVIVE. AND I AM AGAINST, UM, REMOVING THE TREES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SUSAN STR, FOLLOWED BY FRANKIE RNA. THANK YOU. I'M SUSAN STR 6 0 7 RIVER ROAD. AND LET ME ADD QUICKLY, UH, MS. STR RECEIVES FOUR MINUTES. REBECCA GALVAN YIELDED HER TIME. REBECCA GALVAN SAYS, YES. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU, REBECCA GALVAN. UM, AND I WANNA THANK THE COMMISSION FOR HEARING US TODAY. THIS IS A HUGELY IMPORTANT ISSUE, AND I ALSO WANNA THANK PARKS AND REC FOR ENGAGING ON SUNDAY AND, AND SATURDAY, AND GIVING US A TOUR SO THAT WE COULD BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE PLANS ARE. UM, WE ARE NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD. WHAT WE ARE AGAINST IS THIS RUSH TO D UH, GET RID OF THESE TREES, WHICH CAN NEVER BE REPLACED IN OUR LIFETIME, IN FAVOR OF WALLS, WHICH CAN BE REPLACED AND CAN BE MOVED AND CAN BE, UH, RESTORED IN A WAY THAT PRESERVES OUR TREES. UM, THE TREES ARE LANDMARKS IN AND OF THEMSELVES, AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE TODAY IS FOR EITHER THE PETITIONERS TO, UM, REMOVE THEIR APPLICATION, TO TAKE THEIR APPLICATION BACK IN FAVOR OF A LANDMARK DEMOLITION PREP, UH, UM, UH, PROJECT OR FOR THE COMMISSION ITSELF TO CONTINUE THIS FOR 60 DAYS AND FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES FOR A LANDMARK DEMOLITION. UM, THIS, I BROUGHT THIS HERE TODAY. THIS, UM, UH, MEETING NOTES FROM A 2015 BRACKEN RIDGE PARK MASTER PLAN MEETING IN WHICH THE O H P INDICATED, AND I'M READING FROM THE MINUTES THAT THE PARK IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES AS A HISTORIC LANDSCAPE. AND AS SUCH, EVEN TREES AND PLANT MASSES ARE CONSIDERED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE PLACE AS HISTORIC. THIS SUGGESTS THAT THE T H C WOULD BE ENTITLED TO REVIEW CHANGES IN THE PARK THAT ARE NORMALLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO BUILT ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE WALLS TO ANY ELEMENT IN THE PARK, INCLUDING TREES AND LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS. SO AT A MINIMUM, THESE TREES STAND ON EQUAL FOOTING WITH THE WALLS AND OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED ALSO AS HISTORIC AND AS HISTORIC LANDMARKS. AND SO WE URGE YOU TO TAKE THE 60 DAYS AND FOLLOW THE PROCESS FOR A LANDMARK DEMOLITION IN THE CASE OF THESE TREES. UM, MAY I HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE? [03:35:01] THE TREES HAVE BEEN THERE. THIS IS THE EARLIEST PICTURE THAT I COULD FIND. ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE THE LOW BANK, AND ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE A WOODED, UM, HIGH BANK, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF THE TREES SLATED FOR DEMOLITION ARE. AND NEXT SLIDE. AND HERE'S A SLIGHTLY LATER, AND AGAIN, YOU SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PUMPHOUSE THAT THERE ARE TREES FULLY ESTABLISHED BEHIND THOSE WALLS. AND THIS IS A, A FAIRLY OLD PICTURE, AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE BATHING COSTUMES, UM, PROBABLY IN THE THIRTIES. SO THE TREES HAVE COEXISTED WITH THE WALLS ALL ALONG. THE TREES ARE EVERY BIT AS HISTORIC AS THESE WALLS. AND THE PROJECT SCOPE IS TO ELIMINATE THAT ENTIRE LANDSCAPE. THAT LANDSCAPE WILL BE GONE ON THAT BETWEEN THE PUMPHOUSE AND THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, THERE ARE EVERY SINGLE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRESERVING THREE HERITAGE TREES OUT OF SOME 60 TREES IN ALL, MOST OF WHICH ARE AT LEAST SIGNIFICANT, IF NOT HERITAGE. SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS THE SKETCH. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. DENUDED COMPLETELY DENUDED ON THE LEFT SIDE. YOU SEE THERE ARE NO TREES LEFT THERE. THE WALL IS NOT THE SAME. AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS HISTORIC HERE, WHICH IS HISTORIC. WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE TREES AS THEY EXISTED. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PRIOR THERE, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. AND THOSE TREES ARE STILL THERE. SO WHAT I, I WOULD URGE YOU TO DO IS TAKE THE TIME WE NEED TO CONSIDER EACH OF THESE TREES AS ITS OWN CONTRIBUTION TO THE HISTORIC LANDSCAPE. THEY ARE ALL HISTORIC, THEY ARE ALL LANDMARK TREES. THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE LANDSCAPE IN A WAY THAT, THAT SIMPLY, THE WALLS DO NOT, AND BOTH CAN BE DONE. IT'S A FALSE CHOICE. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE PARK SERVICE SAYS WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE WALLS. OKAY? WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE WALLS. THE WALLS HAVE BEEN THERE A HUNDRED YEARS. THEY'RE NOT FALLING DOWN TOMORROW. MAYBE THEY WILL FALL DOWN TOMORROW, BUT IF THEY DO FALL DOWN TOMORROW, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE FIXED THEM BY THEN ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO, UM, , SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THIS AND NOT THE OTHER. THANK YOU, HAKU. AFTER FRANKIE IS IDA ALA. I MAT, I, UM, MY NAME IS FRANKIE ORONA. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SOCIETY NATIVE NATIONS, WHICH IS A NATIVE AMERICAN NON-PROFIT INTERTRIBAL ORGANIZATION. UM, I'M ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF, UH, AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT IN CENTRAL TEXAS. AND I'M A DESCENDANT OF THESE LANDS, AND I'M A CITIZEN OF THESE LANDS. AND YOU KNOW, I LOOK TO YOU NOT JUST EYE TO EYE, BUT SPIRIT TO SPIRIT BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING LIGHT. AND I REALLY PRAY AND I HOPE THAT OUR CHILDREN HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE IN THE FUTURE FOR WHAT WE DO AND DON'T DO TODAY. AS NATIVE PEOPLE, AS INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, WE HAVE AN INHERENT RIGHT, A SOVEREIGN RIGHT TO PROTECT THE LAND THAT WE COEXIST WITH, NOT DOMINATE, COEXIST WITH THE AIR, THE WATER, AND OUR ENVIRONMENT. SO THAT WAY WE CAN ENSURE THAT OUR NEXT GENERATION HAS A FUTURE TO LOOK FORWARD TO, A HEALTHY, SUSTAINABLE FUTURE TO LOOK FORWARD TO. AND I KNOW IF YOUR PARENTS, WE ALL WANT OUR CHILDREN TO NOT JUST SURVIVE, BUT TO THRIVE. AND IN ORDER TO DO SO, WE NEED OUR ENVIRONMENT TO DO EXACTLY THE SAME, TO THRIVE. SO FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT THE CONSULTATION. THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY, NOT REAL CONSULTATION. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN ABUSED DURING THIS TIME OF COVID. YOU KNOW, I WAS SITTING AT THAT PARK TALKING TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE, AND THE ONLY AWARENESS THEY HAVE IS SEEING THOSE SIGNS THAT ARE OUT THERE. WELL, THAT PROCESS NEEDS TO CHANGE. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE INTIMATE CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE INCLUSION, AND THERE ISN'T ENOUGH INCLUSION BECAUSE NONE OF 'EM REALLY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND THEY SHOULD KNOW THEIR TAXPAYERS. THEY ENJOY THOSE, THOSE, THOSE TREES AND THAT ENVIRONMENT AND THAT ECOSYSTEM THAT'S BEEN BEEN THERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. AND WE HAVE TO REMIND OURSELVES, I WAS REMINDED WITH SOMEBODY ELSE SAYING SOMETHING SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS BREATHING? YOU KNOW, THIS IS A STORY FROM ONE OF THE ELDERS. WHAT IS BREATHING? BREATHING IS THE VERY FIRST THING YOU DO WHEN YOU COME INTO THIS WORLD FROM THE PHYSICAL WORLD. AND WHAT IS THAT? YOU BREATHE IN, YOU TAKE, YOU BREATHE OUT, YOU GIVE BACK, AND THE TREES GIVE BACK. WHAT WE THEN TAKE, IT'S A CYCLE OF LIFE. IT'S AN AGREEMENT. THOSE TREES ARE IMPORTANT. THEY'RE OUR RELATIVES, AND THEY NEED TO REMAIN. SO I, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL DENY THIS PROCESS AND WAIT FOR PROPER CONSULTATION AND, AND, AND INCLUSION FROM THE COMMUNITY. OH, THANK YOU. [03:40:04] IDA ALA, FOLLOWED BY CLEMENTE GUZMAN. HELLO, MY NAME IS ILA AND I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO. BORN AND GROWN HERE, SO IS MY MOTHER AND MY GRANDMOTHER WHO LIVED HERE BEFORE THAT. I'VE HIKED BRACKENRIDGE PARK BIKE, BRACKENRIDGE PARK, SLEPT UNDER THOSE TREES, TAUGHT MY CHILDREN ABOUT THE TREES, THE DUCKS, AND ROCK THROWING IN THAT PARK. WHEN I TOLD MY MOM ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THE TREES, THE FIRST THING SHE DID WAS SAY, OH NO, I USED TO LAY UNDER THOSE TREES AND JUST LOOK AT THOSE WHITE BIRDS UP THERE. AND IT WAS SO PEACEFUL. THOSE WHITE BIRDS THAT ARE SOME COMPLAIN ABOUT, UM, THE EGRETS, BUT THEY'RE PART OF OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY WERE PUSHED OUT FROM. I COUNTED FOUR HERITAGE TREES THAT WERE DAMAGING ANY KIND OF WALL. THEY SHOWED US FOUR, THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN 10. I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE OTHER SIX. OKAY? THEY'RE GONNA PLANT TWO TO 400 TREES. WE'VE ALREADY SAID, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. THAT IS NOT GONNA STOP SOIL EROSION. THOSE ROOTS FROM THE TREES THAT ALREADY EXIST ARE WHAT HOLD THAT EARTH TOGETHER. THEY'RE NOT GONNA SHADE ANYONE'S PICNIC AREA. THEY'RE NOT GONNA SHADE WHEN WE GO BY THE RIVER TO FISH. EVEN THERE, THERE MAY NOT BE ANY FISH. MY KIDS THINK THERE ARE. UM, AND THEY WILL MOST LIKELY DIE WASH AWAY. I, I'VE BEEN TO PARKS ALL OVER THE CITY AND NOT ALL OF THE TREES SURVIVE, NO MATTER HOW MANY ARE REPLACED. AND THEY WILL NEVER REPLACE 100 AND 200 YEAR OLD TREES. THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE CREATE THE CANOPY THAT WE HAVE NOW IN ALL THE SHADE AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AND STICK UP A, A METAL CANOPY THERE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SET OUT YOUR CHAIRS AND BLANKETS AND YOU ALREADY HAVE THE SHADE. ANY IF WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THOSE TREES, AND IF WE DO MAKE A NEW WALL OR ANY NEW STRUCTURES, IT'S GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THE FLOOD AS WELL. LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT GONNA, THOSE NEW TREES ARE NOT GONNA STOP EROSION. THERE ARE VERY FEW NATURAL AREAS FOR OUR CHILDREN TO EXPLORE. INSTEAD OF RESTORING THIS, WE SHOULD PRESERVE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CLEMENTE. GUZMAN? I CALLED IN. I CLEMENTE GUZMAN? YEAH, I DIDN'T COME PREPARED. I'M SORRY. OH, BUT I CALLED IN AT THE, OKAY. WE HAVE YOUR VOICEMAIL THEN. OH, OKAY. WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU LEAVE IT? WHEN, WHEN DID YOU CALL? WHAT TIME DID YOU CALL? IN THE MORNING OF ON. OKAY, WE SHOULD HAVE IT THEN. YEAH. OKAY, SO LET'S GO DOWN THE VOICEMAIL LIST. I'M SORRY. THAT'S FINE. THIS IS ALICIA GARLOCK REGARDING CASE NUMBER 20 22 0 7 9. I BELIEVE YOU HAS DONE AN MS. SCARLET'S SPOKE IN PERSON. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS, UH, DR. TERRY BURNS AND I LIVE AT 1 3 1 3 9 VISTA DEL MUNDO IN SAN ANTONIO. 7 8 2 1 6. I'M THE FORMER CHAIR OF THE LOCAL SIERRA CLUB AND I'M CALLING ABOUT NUMBER, UH, 23. I URGE YOU TO REJECT APPROVAL OF, UH, THIS TREE PLAN, INCLUDING REMOVAL AND SO-CALLED MITIGATION. IT'S NOT AT ALL ADEQUATE MITIGATION, IT'S REMOVING FAR TOO MANY LARGE HISTORIC TREES AND, UH, I'M SURE THAT WITH SMALLER EQUIPMENT AND PERHAPS MORE LABOR INTENSIVE WORK, THE RESTORATION COULD BE DONE WITHOUT REMOVING SO MANY LARGE TREES. I'M SURE THAT, UH, MITIGATION TO PREVENT ROOT INTRUSION INTO SOME OF THE STONE WORK COULD BE DONE TO PRESERVE, UH, MANY OF THESE TREES ALONG THE PROXIMITY. UM, MORE EFFORT NEEDS TO BE MADE. AND FROM THE SOUND OF THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK BY MR. PINNELL, UH, THIS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH DESTROYING BIRD HABITAT IN OUR CITY, WHICH SEEMS TO BE AN ONGOING STRUGGLE AND IT'S TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. THE BIRDS NEED TO LIVE SOMEWHERE AND WE NEED TO MAKE ROOM AND COEXIST WITH THEM AND NOT KEEP DESTROYING TREES AND REPLACING THEM WITH LITTLE STICKS THAT WON'T BE AROUND OF ANY SIZE FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS RUBEN ACEVEDO, A C E V E D O. MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 6 3 0 1 [03:45:01] NORTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10 HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 3 8. IT'S MOSTLY ADDRESS. ENTER MY INFORMATION NOT TO DESTROY OR CUT DOWN THE TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. AGAIN, NOT TO CON TO CUT DOWN THE TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ELIDA ARO AGUIRE. MY ADDRESS IS 10 40 MCCAULEY, M C C A U L E Y, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO TWO ONE. MY PHONE NUMBER, CALL ME REGARDING, UH, THAT I AM AGAINST FROM ALL THE TREES BEING, WELL, A HUNDRED TREES BEING CUT FROM BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK. I FEEL I, THIS IS A VERY HISTORIC PARK FOR OUR CITY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED SINCE 1899. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SAN ANTONIO CITY RECREATIONAL PARK WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE A HUNDRED, UM, TREES FROM THIS AREA. I THINK IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED AND TAKEN CARE OF. TREES ARE GREAT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. I THINK BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK IS A LANDMARK FOR SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS, UM, CITY, UH, THAT HAS PROVIDED MANY, MANY BEAUTIFUL MEMORIES AND WILL CONTINUE FOR OUR NEXT GENERATIONS. AND FOR ALL THE TOURISTS THAT COME TO E VISIT OUR CITY, OUR BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK HAS PROVIDES, UH, I BELIEVE INCOME TO THE, TO SAN ANTONIO CITY BY THE PAVILIONS THAT IT HAS THERE THAT IT RENTS OUT. I PERSONALLY USED TO RENT THAT RENT OUT THE PAVILION CLOSE TO THE, UH, THAT HAS A PLAYGROUND ON THE SIDE. AND ALSO THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL BASEBALL FIELD THERE AS WELL. SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S INCOME THAT PRO COMES FROM BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK TO THE CITY. SO I DO KNOW, I DO EXPRESS THAT WE SHOULD TREASURE IS MY NAME IS ANONYMOUS. MY ADDRESS IS DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO, NEAR BRACKEN RIDGE PARK, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 9 1 REGARDING BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT A FEW INJUSTICES ARE BEING SUPPORTED BY THE CITY. I'M REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICATION FOR THE REMOVAL OF HERITAGE TREES BE DENIED WITH PREJUDICE. ONE SPANISH EDUC AND CRUMBLING RETAINING WALLS ARE BEING PRIORITIZED OVER LIFE, HISTORIC OR HERITAGE TREES. DESPITE THE NATURAL EROSION STABILIZING ABILITIES, TREES AND A DIVERSIFIED LANDSCAPE PROVIDE TWO IN QUOTE UNQUOTE BIRD CITY SAN ANTONIO. MIGRATORY BIRDS BELOVED BY BIRD WATCHERS, PHOTOGRAPHERS, RESIDENTS, AND TORS. THE LIKE HAVE BEEN LABELED AS A BURDEN AND WILL BE RELOCATED BECAUSE PARS AND REC DEEM SOME UNSANITARY. THIS IS NO EXCUSE FOR TREE REMOVAL. AND THREE, OUR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S HISTORY HAS BEEN WHITEWASHED. 300 YEARS DOES NOT SURPASS THE 12,000 YEARS. THE COMAN PAELLA LEAP ON APACHE PEOPLE THAT LIVED HERE. THEIR SACRED SITES NEED TO BE PROTECTED WITHOUT ENOUGH RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE AND I STRONGLY URGE THE H G R C TO DENY ITS APPLICATION WITH PREJUDICE UNTIL A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN PERFORMED. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BIANCA AO. MY ADDRESS IS 1 4 2 2 NORTH ENA STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT TWO ZERO SEVEN. AND MY PHONE JUST TWO SECONDS. IT'S A START NINE SENTENCE AND I DO NOT WANT THEM TO CUT DOWN THE BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK. I REPEAT, DO NOT WANT THEM TO CUT DOWN THE BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK. GOODBYE . THIS COMMENT IS FOR THE LAST ITEM, THE BRECKENRIDGE PARK ITEM. MY NAME'S JOHNNY A BACHMAN 5 1 5 ME BAIN, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I WANT TO ASK THAT THE REMOVAL OF TREES FROM BRECKENRIDGE PARK BE DENIED. UH, THEY ARE ESSENTIAL PART OF THE PARK, PLUS THEY ARE A NESTING GROUND FOR NUMEROUS MIGRATORY [03:50:01] BIRDS, SOME OF WHICH ARE ENDANGERED. THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WOULD MOVE THEIR ROOKERY SOMEWHERE BETTER IS RIDICULOUS. THEY WILL PROBABLY JUST ROOST IN THE FEW TREES LEFT, WHICH WILL BE A HORROR SHOW. A FEW YEARS AGO ON SOUTH PRESS STREET WAS THEIR SIMILAR ROOKERY ON A PERSON'S LAND. THEY JUST, THEY CLEARED THE WHOLE LAND OF THE TREES. THE BIRDS ALL WENT INTO A FEW TREES REMAINING ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK NEXT TO THAT LAND. AND BABY BIRDS AND EGGS WERE DROPPING ALL OVER THE PLACE, BEING EATEN BY RACCOONS AND STRAY DOGS. AND IT WAS A HORROR STORY. THE ONLY OTHER THING THEY MIGHT DO IS MOVE INTO NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS SUCH AS THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS FORCE THEM TO DO THAT AND THEN THEY WILL BE, BECOME A PROBLEM FOR THOSE PEOPLE. AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY WOULD DO. , WE HAVE TO WORK WITH NATURE. NATURE AND TREES ARE JUST AS MUCH. AMEN. YEAH. HELLO. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, TREE CUT DOWN HAPPENING BEHIND, UH, BRACKENRIDGE, UH, PARK. YEAH, JUST LEAVING TREES ALONE, IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND. UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CARE ABOUT HIM. UM, I OBVIOUSLY CARE ABOUT HIM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO WALK DOWN THERE AND SEE THEM. UM, MY LITTLE BOY'S ONLY THREE YEARS OLD AND HE LOVES, HE LOVES IT. SO NO, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DR. TERRY BURNS ADDRESS, 1 3 1 3 9 VISTA DELMONDO. I AM CALLING ON ITEM 22. I'M THE PAST CHAIR OF THE LOCAL SIERRA CLUB. OUR GROUP HAS NOT TAKEN A SPECIFIC ISSUE POSITION HERE. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE WE SUPPORT THE EVOLVING LEGAL CONCEPT OF THE RIGHTS OF NATURE. WE'VE LONG DEFENDED OUR LOCAL TREE ORDINANCE ONLY TO SEE THOUSANDS OF TREES DESTROYED IN APPROVED QUOTE VARIANCES. OUR CITY NOW CALLS ITSELF BIRD CITY AS WELL AS MILITARY CITY. WHILE IT ENGAGES IN WHOLESALE DESTRUCTION OF NESTING BIRD SITES, WE FAIL TO TAKE A HOLISTIC ECOSYSTEM APPROACH TO OUR LOCAL ISSUES. DESPITE LONG ADVOCACY BY OUR GROUP AS WELL AS INDIGENOUS AND SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUPS, I PERSONALLY NO LONGER WILL ACCEPT SO-CALLED COMPROMISES FOR THE EXPEDIENCY OF MECHANIZED TREE REMOVAL AND STONE WORK FOR SO-CALLED VISITOR ENHANCEMENT, COST SAVINGS AND OTHER EXCUSES. BIRD POPULATIONS ARE PLUMMETING FORESTS AND OTHER HABITATS ARE BEING RELENTLESSLY DESTROYED. WE NEED TREES AND BIRDS AND THEIR NEEDS DEMAND A FULL HEARING. PITTSBURGH PENNSYLVANIA PASSED A LAW THAT INCLUDED LANGUAGE NATURAL SYSTEM COMMUNITIES, AND ECOSYSTEMS POSSESS IN ALIENABLE AND FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS TO EXIST AND FLOURISH. RESIDENTS SHALL POSSESS LEGAL STANDING TO ENFORCE THOSE RIGHTS. WE NEED THIS LAW HERE NOW. WE NEED YOU TO VOTE NO ON ITEM 22 AND RETURN TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND DO THIS RIGHT FOR ALL PARTIES CONCERNED, INCLUDING NATURE, THE BIRDS AND THE TREES. THANK YOU. YAY. HI, MY NAME IS TAMARA CALLAHAN AND MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 7 ESSEX STREET, 7 8 2 1 0. AND I'M CALLING ABOUT BRACKENRIDGE PARK, UH, 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY STREET. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE TREES THAT ARE SET TO BE CUT DOWN. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THEM ARE DYING OR DEAD AND INVASIVE, UM, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT 10 OF THEM ARE ARE HERITAGE TREES. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER, UM, OTHER OPTIONS. I THINK PRESERVATION OF, UH, OF THE OLD TREES IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, UH, DISCUSSED IN THE PROPOSAL. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PARK AND, AND TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SOME OF THE, UH, THE NATURAL ELEMENTS THAT THAT SHOULD STAY. UH, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY COMMENTS AND I HOPE Y'ALL MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE FOR THE PARK AND FOR THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO. [03:55:01] HI THERE, MY NAME IS BRIANNA. I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE A QUICK VOICE MESSAGE, UH, REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 9 1. NUMBER 22, UM, ADDRESS OF 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY STREET REGARDING BRECKENRIDGE PARK. UH, JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN, I'VE BEEN BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, HIGHLY DISAGREE WITH THE, UM, MOVEMENT TO REMOVE THESE TREES IN THIS LOCATION. UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SAN ANTONIO IS GROWING AND EVER CHANGING, AND THAT'S EXCELLENT. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LEFT IN PLACE. BRACKEN RIDGE PARK BEING ONE OF THEM. UM, IT IS SIGNIFICANT FOR SO MANY REASONS THAT YOU HAVE PROBABLY HEARD IN WHAT MANY OTHER MESSAGES. UM, AND SO I KINDLY ASK YOU TO CONSIDER TO, UM, PAUSE THIS REMOVAL, UM, OR, OR TO HALT IT COMPLETELY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HI, THIS IS . I'M AT 5 0 2 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE, 7 8 2 1 2. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE REMOVAL OF 105, UM, TREES AT BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK. UM, I'M AGAINST THAT. I MEAN, I GO TO THE PARK, ESPECIALLY BRACKENBURY PARK. WE SIT ON IT BY THE BEAUTY OF THE, THE ENVIRONMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT BRACKENBURY OFFERS, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE, UM, WITH THE HERITAGE TREES. THEY MAKE THE PARK BEAUTIFUL WITH THEIR MAJESTIC SIZE. AND IT TOOK LIKE OVER 200 YEARS TO GET TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO I GO TO BRECKENRIDGE, UM, PARK TO SEE THE RIVER, WHICH IS NICE. AND I ALSO GO TO BRECKENRIDGE PARK TO SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, WILDLIFE, LIKE ALL THE, ALL THE BIRDS, THE DUCKS, THE EGRETS, THE COMRADES, THE SQUIRRELS, THE ROCK SQUIRRELS, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE ENJOYABLE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY. AND TO REMOVE SO MANY TREES IS A REALLY BAD IDEA SINCE THE AIR QUALITY IN SAN ANTONIO IS DEGRADING. AND WE ALL KNOW TREES HELP WITH THE QUALITY OF AIR. AND, UM, I'M AGAINST THE RESTORATIONS OF, UH, RESTORING OUR STRUCTURES, UM, LIKE THE OLD BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THE GUYS TALKED ABOUT. I'D RATHER, IF I WANTED TO SEE, UM, HISTORICAL STRUCTURES, I DEFINITELY WILL GO TO DOWNTOWN. I DON'T GO TO BREEN BRIDGE PARK TO SEE THOSE THINGS. I AT, AT A PARK. I WANT TO SEE TREES. I WANNA ENJOY THE SOUNDS AND BEAUTY OF NATURE. HI, MY NAME IS MIRANDA GARZA. I LIVE AT FOUR 19 EAST THOMPSON AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 22. THE ADDRESS IS 3 7 0 0 NORTH ST. MARY STREET AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I'M CALLING TO TALK ABOUT THE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN AT THE PARK. I DO THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES BRACKENRIDGE SO BEAUTIFUL IS ITS TREES. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A BIRD POPULATION THAT DOES OVERTAKE THOSE TREES AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT THEY'RE BEING TAKEN DOWN. HOWEVER, I FEEL THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO GET EDUCATION OUT OF THOSE TREES. A LOT OF THE KIDS LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE TREES AND THEY'RE VERY INTRIGUED BY THE BIRDS, UM, IN THE TREES. AND I JUST THINK TAKING THE TREES DOWN AND THINKING THAT THE BIRD POPULATION IS GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, UM, THEY'LL PROBABLY JUST REESTABLISH THEMSELVES SOMEWHERE IN BRACKENRIDGE OR AT ANOTHER PLACE WHERE YOU ALSO HAVE TO DO MAINTENANCE. UM, I JUST THINK IT'S A SHAME TO TAKE DOWN TREES THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR SO LONG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HELLO, UM, MY NAME IS JESSICA GOMEZ. UM, MY ADDRESS IS 6 2 6 BLAKELY DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER, UH, 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 9 1. UH, REGARDING BRECKENRIDGE PARK. UM, IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT A FEW INJUSTICES ARE BEING SUPPORTED BY THE CITY. UM, I'M REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICATION FOR THE REMOVAL OF HERITAGE TREES BE DENIED WITH PREJUDICE. UM, APACHE PEOPLE THRIVE THERE AND THEIR SACRED SITES NEED TO BE PROTECTED. UM, NOT ENOUGH RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE, AND I STRONGLY URGE THE H G R C TO DENY THIS APPLICATION WITH PREJUDICE UNTIL A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION [04:00:01] HAS BEEN PERFORMED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, GOOD MORNING. THIS IS, UH, RICHARD GONZALEZ, CHAIRMAN OF SSD 19 TEJANO DEMOCRATS. UH, WE HAVE OVER 500 MEMBERS IN OUR CHAPTER AND I'M CALLING, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE ITEM, UM, ON BRECKENRIDGE PARK, UH, THAT IT'S GONNA BE CUTTING DOWN A LOT OF THE TREES AND DOING A LOT OF REWORK. SO I'M IN THAT POSITION TO THE REMOVAL OF ALL THOSE BIG BEAUTIFUL TREES. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE AT BRECKENRIDGE PARK, UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING IS REMOVING THOSE BEAUTIFUL TREES. SO, UM, I SAID IN THAT OPPOSITION, UH, AND BASED ON THE FACT THAT OUR MEMBERSHIP IS ALSO IN THAT OPPOSITION TO THE, UH, REMOVE THE TREES, I STRONGLY OPPOSE THAT. UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS RICH GONZALEZ. I'M AT 4 4 0 6 JESSE BOWMAN IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, 7 8 2 5 3. AND AGAIN, I'M IN THE POSITION TO THE REMOVE THE TREES. UM, PLEASE PUT ALL THE MONEY INTO THE, UH, REMODELING OF THE, UH, FACILITIES. UM, I THINK ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY ALL WANT TO BUILD THE SEVEN 8,000, UH, SEAT, UH, 58 IS NOT ALSO GOOD FOR THE, UM, AREA. I THINK ABOUT 2 2500 WOULD BE A GOOD GOOD MIX, UH, FOR THE AREA AND THE CONGESTION AND ALSO THE PARKING ISSUES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT, THAT COME WITH THAT. SO AGAIN, UH, I'M IN OPPOSITION TO THOSE ISSUES. UH, YOU GON HI, MY NAME IS TERRY GOLER. I LIVE ON SEVEN 15 RIVER ROAD AND I'M CALLING, UM, ABOUT THE H D R C MEETING. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND. AND I WANNA CALL ABOUT THE, THE, UH, TREES MARKED FOR CHOPPING DOWN IN BRACK. AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THE HERITAGE TREES MARKED FOR REMOVAL ARE WHERE THE EGRET ROOFS, THE EGRETS ARE, AND ATTRACTION FOR MANY OF US WHO LIVE HERE AS WELL AS TOURISTS. DURING THE FEW MONTHS THEY ARE HERE, THEY ARE MAGICAL. THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT THE WATER QUALITY WHILE THEY ROOST. ACCORDING TO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY, BACTERIAL POLLUTION IS THE LARGEST PROBLEM WITH THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. THIS IS DUE TO RUNOFF DUE TO RAIN, NOT BIRDS. THE MAIN SOURCE IS IN THE PARKING LOT, VAST AREAS OF PAVEMENT AND ASPHALT IS WHERE BACTERIA COLLECT, REMOVING TREES DRAMATICALLY ADDS TO THIS PROBLEM. AND ONCE THESE TREES ARE GONE, I WILL NOT BE AROUND FOR THE 200 YEARS FOR ANOTHER ONE TO GROW BACK. WILL YOU AGAIN? MY NAME IS TERRY GOLER. I PROTEST LY ABOUT REMOVING HERITAGE STREET AND MY PHONE NUMBER. YES. MY NAME IS ROBERT GUERRA. 5 4 5 1 VISTA RUN DRIVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 7 8 2 4 7. UH, IT'S ABOUT THE BRACKENRIDGE, UH, PARK RENOVATION. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE LIKE OTHERS. UH, I WAS BORN HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. PICTURES AT THE PARK. PROBABLY WASN'T EVEN TWO MONTHS OLD. UH, RODE HORSES THERE. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T EVEN REMEMBER THERE WAS HORSES THERE IN BRACK. UM, I TAKE MY GRANDCHILDREN THERE. WE PLAY AMONGST THE LARGE TREES. IT JUST WOULD BE A COMPLETE SHAME. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, GLOBAL WARMING AND, AND JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST ALL THE NATURAL, UH, BEAUTY OF THAT, UH, PARK AND THOSE TREES, YOU KNOW, THE AGE OF THOSE TREES, THEY'LL BE HERE LONG BEF LONG AFTER WE'RE GONE. UH, JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY CONCERNS, BUT, UH, UH, I TAKE AT LEAST ONE OF MY SEVEN GRANDCHILDREN THERE, UH, ONCE A WEEK AND JUST TO GO PLAY AMONG THE TREES AND, UH, AND, UH, WATCH THE DUCKS AND THE TURTLES IN THE RIVER. I HOPE YOU DECIDE NOT TO CUT DOWN ANY OF THE LARGE TREES. YES. MY NAME IS CLEMENTA UZMAN. I LIVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, UM, NUMBER AND THIS IS TO STOP SIDE [04:05:02] LOCAL WILDLIFE ARTIST. MY CONCERN ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF 105 TREES OF BREAKFAST, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PLANS OF DEVELOPMENT OR WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE . RACHEL, I THINK CAN LAUNCH THE NEXT ONE. HI, MY NAME IS IS OMAR HARRIS, AND I AM CALLING REGARDING THE BRACKENRIDGE TREE REMOVAL. I'M CALLING BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE MORE TIME TAKEN, UM, TO CONSIDER REMOVING THESE TREES. A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE NOT AWARE THAT THESE HERITAGE TREES WERE GOING TO BE REMOVED. THAT AREA IS ALSO SACRED. THAT WHOLE AREA ALONG THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER IS ALSO SACRED, BUT SOME OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE, IF BRACKENRIDGE IS, YOU KNOW, SO CONCERNED WITH PRESERVING HISTORY, THEN THEY SHOULD ALSO BE CONCERNED ABOUT NOT DESECRATING SACRED SITES. THOSE TREES ARE ALSO PART OF OUR OF HISTORY AND THEY SHOULD BE PRESERVED. I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE SMART ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH OTHER WAYS TO REPAIR WHAT YOU NEED TO REPAIR WITHOUT INFRINGING UPON NATURE AND THE WILDLIFE THAT'S AROUND THAT AREA. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL MARTIN. UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF FAIR COUNTY, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR THE PAST 41 YEARS. UM, I'M ACTUALLY REACHING OUT REGARDING THE RECENT, UM, TALKS OR I BELIEVE I READ THAT THERE WAS A NOTICE OF A HEARING FOR THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN FOR SAN ANTONIO REGARDING SOME TREES, UM, THAT ARE HUGE. THEY'RE OLDER TREES AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UH, SO MY FAMILY AND I FOR YEARS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND YEARS TO COME IN THE FUTURE. ALSO, NOW THAT I ALSO HAVE GRANDCHILDREN, UH, WE'VE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK AS THE STEEPLE OF THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, CITY PARK THAT EVERYBODY AND ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO FREE OF CHARGE IN REGARDS TO CUTTING THE TREES. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S DEVELOPMENTS, TALKS OF DEVELOPMENTS. WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND IT? HOWEVER, IT JUST HAS SENTIMENTAL VALUE. IT'S A PIECE, A TREASURE, A PART OF THE PARK, HUGE PART OF THE PARK, THE SHADE IT PROVIDES, THE HOME IT PROVIDES TO ANIMALS AND WILDLIFE. I MAYBE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT PROPERLY EDUCATED OR TRAINED IN, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT AND WILDLIFE. HOWEVER, UH, I PERSONALLY DO NOT AGREE WITH CUTTING DOWN THE TREES. I MEAN, IF THERE'S DEVELOPMENTAL ISSUES IN REGARDS TO IT, BLOCKING GAS PIPES, ELECTRICITY PIPES, WATER PIPES. I CAN SEE THE NEED. HOWEVER, NOTHING'S FIX IT. I'M SORRY. NOTHING'S BROKEN. DON'T TRY AND FIX IT. LEAVE IT ALONE. IT WORKS FOR THE CITY, IT WORKS FOR ME, I'M SURE WORKS FOR ALL OTHERS. IF THERE WAS SUCH AN ISSUE OR A PROBLEM OR PEOPLE WANTED THEM CUT, THEY PROBABLY WOULD'VE STARTED A POSITION IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. UH, DEFINITELY THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE LEFT ALONE, UH, LEAVE THE CITY AS IS THE CHANGES THAT YOU GUYS ARE MAKING. SOME ARE GOOD, SOME ARE PHENOMENAL. DON'T GET , DON'T GET ME WRONG. HI, MY NAME'S JOSE DANIEL. I LIVE IN 1337 BOULEVARD AND I'M A SELF-EMPLOYED THERE. I JUST WANNA CUTTING DOWN THE TREES AND PARKING EVERYBODY AND ALL THESE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE ARE COMING IN TO INVEST ON TREES. AND, HI, THIS IS LAURA MORALES. I RESIDE AT 5 2 1 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE, 7 8 2 1 2. I'M CALLING ON IN REGARDS TO THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES AT BRA BRIDGE PARK. UM, I'M AGAINST THAT. I, I AGREE ON MANY THINGS, BUT THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. I DON'T WANT, ME AND MY FAMILY DON'T WANT THE REMOVAL OF, UM, THE HERITAGE TREES. [04:10:01] THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT WE LIKE ABOUT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. IT'S THE BIG TREES, THE BEAUTIFUL VIEWS, AND TO SEE WILDLIFE. I DON'T WANT A VENUE AT BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK. AND, UM, AS FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF, UM, RESTORATION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES, UM, I, I'D RATHER HAVE TREES THAN TO SEA STRUCTURES. AND ALSO ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT THE WALLS ARE PRETTY, UM, HIGH FROM THE RIVER. AND I'VE SEEN MANY WILDLIFE, LIKE SQUIRRELS, UM, DROWN BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, THEY'VE FALLEN FROM THE TREES OR, OR WHATNOT AND THEY FOUND THE WATER, THE RIVER, AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO, TO GET OUT. IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO PUT SOME TYPE OF WIRE MESHING OR SOMETHING SO THAT THEY COULD CLIMB OUT AT LEAST HAVE A CHANCE, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED BECAUSE, UH, ALL THAT COULD BE PREVENTABLE, UM, IF THEY, IF THEY COULD PROVIDE THAT. SO PLEASE LEAVE THE TREES ALONE. DON'T DESTROY WHAT WE, MY FAMILY AND I HAVE COME TO ENJOY AT B. HI, MY NAME'S ERIC. I, MY TWO HOME. UM, I WANTED TO JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, PROJECT THAT IS UNDERWAY, UM, OR PROPOSED THE UNDERWEIGHT. UM, YEAH, I, I I JUST DON'T SEE THE, UH, NECESSITY OF IT. I, UH, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE A WASTE OF A, A NICE, UM, YOU KNOW, ALREADY, UH, WELL ESTABLISHED, UH, SECTION OF PARK. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GO TO ENJOY SCENERY AREA, MAKING A VENUE FOR, UH, WHATEVER IT IS, GATHERINGS OR, OR A PLACE OR RENT OUT. IT SEEMS UNNECESSARY. IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT REALLY BE UTILIZED, UM, AS EXPECTED. MAYBE A NICE NEW VENUE FOR A FEED YARD. I DON'T KNOW. UM, IT, IT'S JUST A SHAME PLACING A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT SCENERY OF THE, UH, ANIMAL'S HOME WHEN THE MONEY COULD BE USED, YOU KNOW, TO PREPARE THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY OTHER SECTIONS, THAT ARE IN THE ENTIRE . UM, NO, THAT'S JUST MY VIEW. MY NAME IS GARON ZIGMAN. MY BUSINESS NAME IS BY NATURE SPOKE NATURE TREE CARE. AND MR. NERI SPOKE HERE IN PERSON. DID HE? NO, THAT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE. HI, MY NAME IS CLINT. NO, THAT, OH, WAS IT? OKAY. SORRY. HE WASN'T SURE IF HE'S GONNA MAKE THE MEETING. SO HE, HI, MY NAME IS CLINT PEES. I'M A TAX PAYING RESIDENT IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS CLUB ONE 18 CLUB DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 1. I'M TALKING CALLING ABOUT THE, UM, MOTION TO, UH, CUT A HUNDRED TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD MY OPINION AND I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT CUT ANY OF THESE TREES THAT YOU HAVE MARKED IN BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK. UH, MANY OF 'EM ARE OWED AND SHOULD STAY THERE. IF ANY DEVELOPMENT, IF REQUIRES THESE TO BE CUT, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND AGAINST IT. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS LYDIA PIPPEN, UH, 65 31 FM 78, SUITE ONE 10 DASH FOUR EIGHT. YEAH, WE HEARD FROM MS. PIPPEN AS WELL. MY NAME IS MIMI ILLA. I LIVE AT 1 5 0 OSTROM DRIVE IN RIVER ROAD ADJACENT TO BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. MY COMMENTS ARE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 9 1. I'M ASKING C R C TO GRANT A CONTINUAL CITY'S REQUEST TO REMOVE TREES, HERITAGE TREES, AND BRACKEN RIDGE PARK SO THAT MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING [04:15:01] CAN BE ACHIEVED. THE PLANS AS PRESENTED ARE INCOMPLETE AND RIDDLED WITH INCONSISTENCIES. THE PLANS EMPLOY A DRACONIAN APPROACH TO TREE REMOVAL WITH A SUPREME DETAIL PLACEMENT PLANS. A C CONTINUANCE WILL ALLOW FOR TIME TO BRING FORWARD ACCURATE AND COMPLETE PLANS. THE PLAN AS IS, IS RUSHED AND DISCONCERTED OUR BRINGING FORWARD AND THAT DESTROYS HERITAGE TREES WITH DECADES AND IN SOME CASES HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF GROWTH IN OUR BELOVED AND MOST POPULAR PARK TO FACILITATE WORK ON HISTORIC THAT CAN BE MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE MATURE REGROWTH. THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION ALLOWS FOR THIS TYPE OF MODIFICATION AND ACCOMMODATION AS THE TREES ARE ALSO HISTORIC. PLEASE GRANT A CONTINUANCE ON THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND A COMPLETE AND ACCURATE PLAN. I WANT TO THANK, TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION, YOUR WORK ON BEHALF OF OUR RESOURCES. YES, MY NAME IS DANIELLE RIOS. MY ADDRESS IS 6 2 4 6 PARKLAND OAKS DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. PHONE EIGHT TWO FOUR SIX. AND I'M CALLING, UH, REGARDING THE TREES IN THE BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. I WOULD NOT LIKE THEM TO BE CUT. I THINK THEY'RE ESSENTIAL FOR, UM, OUR COMMUNITY. I'M REQUESTING THEM TO NOT BE CUT. THANK YOU AND HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY. HELLO, MY ADDRESS IS 1305 EAST MULBERRY. MY NAME IS ABBY AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 9 1. REGARDING BRACKENRIDGE PARK, I'M REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICATION FOR THE REMOVAL OF HERITAGE TREES BE DENIED. I THINK IT IS RIDICULOUS THAT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE PARK IS BEING PRIORITIZED OVER THE NATURE OF THE PARK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE RESEARCH ON WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PRESERVE THE TREES IN THE PARK. AND I'M ASKING THAT THE H D R C DENY THIS APPLICATION UNTIL A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN PERFORMED. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS DOMINIQUE SANCHEZ AND MY ADDRESS IS 1630 VANDERBILT STREET, 7 8 2 1 0, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. UM, I WANNA GO AHEAD AND LEAVE A MESSAGE BECAUSE I, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT A HUNDRED, UH, SOME TREES, SOME OF THEM WHICH ARE HISTORICAL WERE TO BE CUT DOWN AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. AND, UM, THE REASON WHY I DON'T WANT THEM CUT, OF COURSE, IS WELL, WE DEFINITELY NEED TREES AND THESE ARE HISTORICAL AND, UM, WE, WE SHOULDN'T BE CUTTING DOWN TREES JUST FOR ANY REASON. THESE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. UM, AND THIS ALSO HAS A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART. UM, AS FAR AS OUR HISTORY, MY GRANDPARENTS, UH, THEIR FIRST DATE WAS HERE IN THIS ACTUAL SPOT. AND, UM, I TAKE MY GRANDPA HERE, UM, EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS SO HE CAN REMINISCE ABOUT OUR LATE GRANDMOTHER. SHE PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR. UM, AND IT WOULD JUST BREAK HIS HEART AND I'M SURE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE OF COVID, A LOT OF CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE DOWN TO THE PARK. UM, THEY WERE CLOSED, COVERED IN, YOU KNOW, BIRD FECES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THAT IT SHOULD JUST DEFINITELY BE CLEANED UP AND REVAMPED RATHER THAN THESE TREES TAKEN OUT ALL THE WAY. I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS. UM, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE HAVE IT IN YOUR HEART, UH, NOT TO TEAR THESE DOWN, PLEASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY NAME IS DEREK CHILLING. MY ADDRESS IS 7 1 5 PRESIDENT DRIVE AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 9 1 REGARDING THE BRECKENRIDGE PARK. IT'S BEEN BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE'S A FEW INJUSTICES ARE BEING SUPPORTED BY THE CITY AND I'M REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICATION FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE HERITAGE TREES BE DENIED. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I HOPE, UM, THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH ROY SWEARS 1 0 2 ARMOR ITEM NUMBER 22 RIDGE PARK. THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS RUSHED AS SEEN IN THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE INCOMPLETE IN THIS IMAGE. THERE ARE OVER A DOZEN YELLOW CIRCLES THAT REPRESENT TREES TO BE REMOVED, ADJACENT TO HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT HAVE NO [04:20:01] HISTORIAN OVERSIGHT CALLED FOR IN THE DRAWING. NEXT IMAGE, THE APPLICATION IS RUSHED AND INACCURATE. TREE NUMBER 2, 5 8 OF PECAN NEAR THE ZOO WITH A 28 INCH DIAMETER HERITAGE TREE TO BE REMOVED ON THE PLAN. THIS HERITAGE IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE APPLICATION. DESCRIPTION THREE NUMBER 1 0 6 A CYPRUS AT LAMBERT BEACH IS MISS SURVEYED AS 23 INCHES. IT IS ACTUALLY 24 INCH DIAMETER. ANOTHER HERITAGE TREE TO BE REMOVED, NOT IDENTIFIED BY THE APPLICATION NEXT IMAGE. THE APPLICATION IS RUSHED AND INCONSISTENT. THE GREEN CIRCLES HERE ARE SEVEN TREES IDENTIFIED AS PRESERVED, AS PRESERVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SURVEYED. PHOTOS THE SAME PRESERVED SEVEN TREES ARE DRAWN TO BE REMOVED ON THE PLAN. ON ONE PAGE THERE COULD BE PRESERVED AND ANOTHER PAGE THERE'D BE TO BE WE MOVED. THIS PLACE MATTERS. RACK PARK IS A SAN ANTONIO LANDMARK, A STATE ARCHEOLOGICAL LANDMARK IN ALL THE NATIONAL REGISTER. HISTORIC PLACES H D R C AND THE APPLICANT. LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND STOP THE RUSH. LET'S PAUSE THE PROCESS. RACKER PARK MATTERS TOO MUCH NOT TO GET RIGHT. IT MATTERS TOO MUCH NOT TO GET RIGHT. THANK YOU. HELLO, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ALI SHARIF AND I'M CALLING ACTUALLY, UH, TO SAY, UH, I AM AGAINST THE REMOVING OF THE TREES AT THE BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK. UH, MY ADDRESS IS 1 9 3 1 TOWN OAK DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. ZIP CODE SEVEN EIGHT TWO THREE TWO. AND MY PHONE NUMBER IS, IT'S NINE. AND THEN AGAIN, I'M AGAINST THE BLACK AND RIDGE PARK. THREE REMOTE. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS LORINE SHERWOOD. I LIVE AT 3 0 3 ELEANOR AVENUE. I'M CALLING ABOUT 2022 DASH 0 9 1. ITEM NUMBER 22, WHICH IS THE CHOPPING DOWN OF TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND READING THE BIRDS IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS A PARK. TREES BELONG IN A PARK, BIRDS BELONG IN A PARK. THE TREES WERE DESIGNATED HERITAGE TREES FOR A REASON WE CANNOT EASILY, UH, BUILD THEM AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE NATURE, THEY BELONG THERE. AND INTERFERENCE BY HUMAN BEINGS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. USING BOND MONEY IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. I VOTED FOR THAT BOND, BUT I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ANOTHER BOND AGAIN. IF THIS IS HOW THE BOND MONEY'S GONNA BE USED, PLEASE DO NOT CUT DOWN THE TREES AND STOP TRYING TO SCARE THE BURNS AWAY. THANK YOU. HELLO, THIS IS BEAR COUNTY COMMISSIONER TOMMY CALVERT. AND I'M, UH, CALLING IN TODAY FOR THE LOSS OF HERITAGE TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK AT A TIME THAT OUR TREE CANOPY IS BEING DECIMATED AND CLIMATE CHANGE THREATENS OUR WAY OF LIFE. IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE CITY HAS NOT FORMALLY SUBMITTED PLANS TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THE PROPOSED WORK AT THE PARK, BUT YET THEY ARE SUBMITTING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY HAVE TO REMOVE TREES BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL, UH, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION'S DESIRE TO PRESERVE A WALL OF THE PARK, THE PUBLIC IS PROPOSED TO MORE THAN, UH, UH, 10 HERITAGE TREES BEING REMOVED ALONG THE BANKS OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER TO ACCOMMODATE WORK ON THE OLD STONE WALLS, WHICH ARE ABOUT 80 YEARS OLD. THE TREES IN QUESTION FOR REMOVAL ARE OVER 200 YEARS OLD, AND THE WALLS WERE BUILT TO HOLD THE OAK TREES AT LAMBER BEACH. COLLECTIVELY, THE TREES ADD UP TO OVER 2000 YEARS OF LIFE BECAUSE THE CITY HAS NOT FORMALLY SUBMITTED PLANS TO REVIEW TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THE WORK. YOU NOW HAVE THE OPENING TO HAVE YOUR APPOINTEES AT PLANNING HISTORIC DESIGN AND YOURSELVES ON THE COUNCIL TABLE, AND DELAY THIS MOVE FOR PROPER ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION. AND TO MAKE SURE THE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND THE DESIRES OF CONSTITUENTS. WE CAN REVIEW, RETHINK, AND REIMAGINE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS ANCIENT SITE THAT MEANS SO MUCH TO THE RESIDENTS OF BEXAR COUNTY. YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT FOR DECADES MY FATHER WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST CONCERT PRODUCERS AND PROMOTERS AT SAN ANTONIO. HE RENTED SUNKEN GARDENS IN THE MOST VENUES IN THE CITY, AND I SAW FIRSTHAND THE NEED FOR REPAIRS AT SUNKEN GARDENS, GOING BACKSTAGE, WORKING EVENTS [04:25:01] AND OR BEING INVITED BEHIND THE SCENES BY OTHER PROMOTERS LIKE JACK ORBIN OF STONE CITY ATTRACTIONS, WHO WAS FORMERLY THE LARGEST INDEPENDENT CONCERT PROMOTER IN THE SOUTHWEST IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE HE RETIRED DECADES AGO, JACK AND I TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO RENOVATE THE TREASURER OF SUNKEN GUARDS, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE THE RIGHT WAY. THE SAN ANTONIO MUNICIPAL AUDITORIUM, WHICH IS NOW THE TOBIN CENTER, WAS 4,884 SEATS AND IS NOW BETWEEN 1,750 AND 2039 SEATS. AND NOBODY CAN SAY THAT THE TOBIN HAS NOT BEEN A SUCCESS. YEAH. HELLO, THIS IS LAURA VATAS. I'M AT 29 11 NORTH ST. MARY'S STREET. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE REMOVAL OF HERITAGE TREES AT RACK BRIDGE PARK. UM, I DID NOT, UM, I DON'T WANT THE REMOVAL OF TREES. I JUST WANTED TO FIX THE PARK. UM, THIS IS MY, UH, TAXPAYER MONEY BEING USED. THIS IS OUR TAXPAYER MONEY BEING USED, AND I'D RATHER IT TO BE USED IN HELPFUL THINGS LIKE SAVING WILDLIFE, PRESERVING THE PARK, NOT THE DESTRUCTION OF IT. UM, I DIDN'T ASK FOR A VENUE THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN HELPFUL AT ALL. SO LEAVE THE TREES ALONE, ESPECIALLY THE HERITAGE TREES. SIX O' APART. DON'T DESTROY IT. THIS IS YEARS AND YEARS OF, UH, HISTORY AND THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ZACHARY WELCH. MY ADDRESS IS 1111 AUSTIN HIGHWAY, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 9. AND THE TOPS I'M SPEAKING ON IS THE REMOVAL OF HERITAGE AND SIGNIFICANT TREES AND TOP, TOP OF BANK AND ALONG THE RIVER. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SHOULD BE ASHAMED THAT, THAT IT INTENDS TO DESTROY LIFE ALONG THE RIVER. DOZENS OF TREES, HUNDREDS OF MIGRATORY BIRDS, SQUIRRELS, COUNTLESS INSECTS, AND MANY MORE LIVES THAT RELY ON THE SHADE NUTRIENTS AND HOMES. THESE TREES PROVIDE ACCORDING TO THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY'S CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT AND ECOLOGICAL SITE ASSESSMENT, THE PARK LANDSCAPE CONTAINS AN ASTONISHING 12,000 YEARS OF DOCUMENTED PREHISTORIC AND HUMAN INTERACTION WITH THE UPPER FORCE OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. AND THAT SPANS 120 YEAR EXISTENCE AS A MUNICIPAL PARK IS RELATIVELY SHORT. BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS THUS MORE THAN A MUNICIPAL PARK. IT'S A RICH AND COMPLEX CULTURAL LANDSCAPE THAT NOT ONLY MERITS PRIDE AND DESERVES PROTECTION, BUT ALSO DEMONSTRATES THAT LANDSCAPES ARE INHERENTLY DYNAMIC. THIS REPORT THEN GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT HOW BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS IN DECLINE. YET THE ULTIMATE PURPOSE OF PRESERVING THIS CULTURAL LANDSCAPE CANNOT BE TO FREEZE IT IN TIME. THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT CALLS FROM DISCIPLINARY SYSTEMS BASED APPROACH TO THE PARK'S PRESERVATION AND FUTURE GROWTH IN SETS FOREIGN TENSIONS TO HEAL BRACKENRIDGE PARK CITY ECOLOGY TO PROTECT AND CELEBRATE ITS MANY LAYERS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND CULTURAL DIVERSITY TO ELEVATE ITS IDENTITY LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY AND TO ASSURED INTO THE 21ST CENTURY. NOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT THE PLANT THAT CUT DOWN THESE TREES AND REMOVE DOZENS OF, OF THESE TREES AND BIRDS AND ALL THESE ANIMALS AND LIVES, IT DOES NOT SEEM TO HEAL BRACKENRIDGE PARKS ECOLOGY, NOR DOES REVITALIZING OR REPURPOSING OR MAKING LOOK GOOD THESE HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT IN USE ANYMORE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THAT USHERS ITS PARK INTO THE 21ST CENTURY. IN FACT, IT SEEMS TO BE FREEZING IT IN THAT OUTMODED TIME PERIOD OF THE 20TH CENTURY THAT THE PARK DOES NOT SEEM TO WANT TO DO. SO WHY NOT MOVE IT INTO THE FUTURE AND PROTECT IT ECOLOGICALLY AND MOVE IT INTO A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME TOGETHER TO ENJOY THE PARK FOR WHAT IT IS, A PARK, NOT A PLACE FOR TOURISM AND MONEY TO PROTECT AND CELEBRATE ITS MANY LAYERS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND CULTURAL ADVERSE. NO. HI. YES, HI. THIS IS, UH, WELL THIS IS, I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF FAY WEST 1 9 19 31 TOWN OAK, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 3 2. UH, AND SHE REQUESTS THAT THE TREES AT 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY'S STREET, UH, NOT BE TAKEN DOWN OR CUT IN ANY WAY AT FOR STORE TO PRESERVE BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THANK YOU. OH, AND ALSO, UH, OLLIE CHER, UM, AND I'LL HAVE HIM CALL SEPARATELY THANK YOU. AT STAR WEST 1 5 0, OR ACTUALLY 1931 TOWN OAK, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 0 7 8 2 3 2. AND THIS IS REFERRING TO, UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING AT 3 0 7 0 0 NORTH ST. MARY STREET, BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, I AM NOT OKAY WITH THE REMOVAL OF HERITAGE TREES OR ANY SIGNIFICANT TREES, UM, AT THE BANK OR ALONG THE RIVER AT ALL. AND, UM, THE RIVER IS THE HEART OF SAN ANTONIO AND WITHOUT IT, WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE VISITING HERE OR COMING HERE. UH, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SAVE THE HABITAT, HABITAT OF OUR [04:30:01] NATURAL, NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. UM, AND I JUST REALLY THINK THIS IS HORRIBLE AND I CAN'T BELIEVE, UH, THEY'RE CUTTING DOWN THESE TREES. OKAY. AND IT'S JUST AWFUL. HI, MY NAME IS TONY WILSON. MY ADDRESS IS 5 2 3 VICKERS AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 1. THE ADDRESS REQUEST IS 37 NORTH ST. MARY STREET, UH, BROCKEN RIDGE PARK. PLEASE DON'T CUT DOWN A HUNDRED OLD A HUNDRED YEAR OLD TREES. THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME'S RALEIGH WOOD, I LIVE AT 1 0 9 GLENDALE PLACE, AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. I'D LIKE TO RAISE THREE ISSUES REGARDING TODAY'S REQUEST FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ONE, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE MAGNITUDE OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND THAT IT'S PROPOSING THE REMOVAL OF ESSENTIALLY 50% OF THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY IN THAT AREA OF THE PARK. THAT'S HALFWAY TO CLEAR CUTTING. AND IT SEEMS EXCESSIVE, I WOULD THINK SOME FORM OF GRADUATED REMOVAL BEGINNING WITH INVASIVE SPECIES WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. TWO, I BELIEVE A LONG-TERM LACK OF MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES IS PROBABLY MORE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR FACTOR TO THEIR DETERIORATION IN THE IMPACT OF THE TREES, MANY OF WHICH WERE PRESENT WHEN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES WERE BUILT. AND THREE, I'M CONCERNED THAT IN TODAY'S REQUEST THERE'S NO CLEAR PRESENTATION OR PICTURE OF WHAT EXACTLY THE PROPOSED RESTORATION PROJECT IS GOING TO BE. THAT REQUIRES THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING TREES, IN PARTICULAR THE HERITAGE TREES, SO THAT SOME DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE DESIGN ACCOMMODATIONS OR RESTORATION COULD BE MADE. UH, FOR THOSE REASONS, I REQUEST THAT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BE DENIED AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS PATRICK ZELLER. I'M AT 2 3 4 DELAWARE STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 0. AND I WANTED TO LEAVE A MESSAGE BEFORE NOON TODAY ABOUT MY OPPOSITION TO THE CURRENT PLAN TO CUT DOWN TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH ANOTHER PLAN THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE REMOVAL OF SO MANY HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE HUNDREDS OF YEARS OLD. SO CLOSE TO THE HEADWATERS SAN ANTONIO RIVER PLANS FROM THE CITY. THERE ARE ALREADY RULES THAT LEVY FINDS AGAINST DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO CUT DOWN HERITAGE OAK TREES ON THEIR PROPERTY. SO THEN WHY IS THE CITY THEN CUTTING DOWN HERITAGE JOKES AS PART OF THEIR CITY PLANS? THIS IS SURPRISING TO ME. HAVE A GOOD DAY. MY NAME IS GARON ZIGMAN. MY BUSINESS NAME IS NAUGHTY BY NAME. SO WE'VE GOT THAT ONE AND THEN THERE'S . GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM 22 3700 NORTH ST. MARY'S BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CONSERVATION OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK FOR MANY YEARS, AND IN 2018 ANNOUNCED OUR TRICENTENNIAL GIFT TO HELP RESTORE THE PARK'S OLDEST STRUCTURE, THE 1877 PUMP HOUSE. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY SUPPORTS THE REMOVAL OF NON-HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE DAMAGING THE HISTORIC WALLS AND FOUNDATIONS OF THE PUMP HOUSE AND LAMBERT BEACH. WE ALSO SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL TO REPLACE EACH REMOVE TREE WITH FIVE TO SEVEN NEW PLANTINGS. WE WOULD PREFER A MORE NUANCED APPROACH TO DEALING WITH TREES ADJACENT TO THE RIVER WALLS TO ALLOW THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING THE WALLS RATHER THAN THE TREES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. [04:35:02] AND COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE ONE MORE VOICEMAIL THAT CAME IN SPANISH, AND SO OUR TRANSLATORS WERE ABLE TO DO THIS FOR US, AND SO I WILL READ IT NOW. UM, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ANNABELLE TORRES. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE FOREST. I WOULD LIKE THOSE, I WOULDN'T LIKE FOR THOSE TREES TO BE REMOVED FOR A TREE TO REACH THAT SIZE. IT TAKES A LONG TIME. CUTTING THOSE TREES WILL BE BAD AND IT'S TAKING AWAY THE OXYGEN. WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY THAT HISTORY. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SAID THIS IN ENGLISH, BUT I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WORDS. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH TREES ARE GOING TO BE PLANTED BECAUSE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE TREES WILL BE CUT DOWN WITHOUT SAYING THAT AT LEAST 100 TREES ARE GOING TO REPLACE THEM. AND EVEN WITH THAT, IT WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH SINCE THE NEW ONES ARE GOING TO TAKE YEARS TO GROW THAT TALL. IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T AGREE. SO THAT'S ALL OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS PLACE. I DO, I DO WANT TO THANK ALL THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE COME OUT TODAY AND, UH, SPOKEN AT THE, THE HEARING AND ALSO ALL THE, UH, TELEPHONE CALLS WE HAD, UH, WITH THEIR COMMENTS. UM, I WOULD ASK THAT REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT COME BACK UP, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. UM, MR. PINNELL AND, UH, MR. MORENO, PERHAPS POSSIBLY MR. BIRD. IF, UH, IF Y'ALL BE READY TO COME UP, UH, AND BE PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I'D ALSO WANNA KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY REBUTTAL OR COMMENTS BASED ON THE, UH, OPPOSITION THAT YOU HEARD HERE TODAY. YEAH. UH, SO FIRST WE'RE WE'RE, UM, WE'RE GONNA, UM, ASK JESSICA ALDERON WITH THE URBAN BIOLOGIST WITH TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE TO TALK ABOUT THE WILDLIFE ISSUES AND THE BIRDS. OKAY. WE'RE CAUSED BY YOU. E HI COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. UM, MY NAME IS JESSICA ALDERON AND I AM AN URBAN BIOLOGIST FOR TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE. UM, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WORKING, UM, ON PUTTING TOGETHER A MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, UH, FOR THE ROOKERY. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS 2017 BOND PROJECT IS NOT BECAUSE OF THE BIRDS. THE TREES ARE NOT BEING REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE BIRDS. UM, IT'S TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE, UH, SITUATIONS. UM, HOWEVER, THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THAT THE TREES ARE ONLY BEING REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE BIRDS AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. UM, THE BIRDS ARE PROTECTED BY THE MIGRATORY BIRD TREATY ACT AND OVERSEEN BY US FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE AS WELL AS TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE. UM, HOWEVER, IT IS LEGAL TOO IN SCENARIOS WHERE THERE IS HIGH CONFLICT SUCH AS BRACKEN RIDGE PARK, UM, WHERE AREAS OF THE PARK ARE HAVING TO BE CLOSED DOWN, UH, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF FECES THAT'S THERE, OR DEAD BIRDS. UM, YOU CAN LEGALLY DO SOME MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES SUCH AS HABITAT MODIFICATION, VISUAL DETERRENT, NOISE, DETERRENTS, THAT WILL EFFECTIVELY HAVE THE BIRDS MOVE TO A MORE DESIRABLE LOCATION. SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN DOING A WONDERFUL JOB WORKING WITH THEIR SURROUNDING PARTNERS, THE ZOO, THE WITTY, OTHER SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, TALKING TO THEM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO LOOK FOR IF THESE, WHEN WE'RE DOING THESE DETERRENT TECHNIQUES TO GET THE BIRDS TO MOVE TO A MORE DESIRABLE LOCATION. LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS TO HAVE THEM MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD OR AN EVEN LESS DESIRABLE LOCATION. RIGHT? AND SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY WONDERFULLY WITH THESE OTHER SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, UH, TO TRY TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR SO THAT WE CAN MOVE OUR EFFORTS TO WHERE THE BIRDS ARE GOING TO BE SAFER IN BEING IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S NOT LOTS OF PEOPLE. IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN TO BRACKEN RIDGE PARK, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT VISIT THE PARK. UH, WE GET A NUMBER OF CALLS IN EVERY SINGLE YEAR WHEN THE, WHEN THE FLEDGLINGS ARE ON THE GROUND LEARNING TO TRY TO LEARN TO FLY. PEOPLE ARE CHASING THE BIRDS AND TRYING TO GET CLOSE TO THEM, TRYING TO PICK THEM UP. UM, KNOWING, NOT KNOWING THAT IT'S ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO DO THAT, BUT WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT, ABOUT DEAD BIRDS BEING IN THE WATER. WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THAT? AND SO IF THE ROOKERY WAS IN A MORE SUITABLE LOCATION WHERE THERE WASN'T A HIGH VISIBILITY WITH THE PUBLIC, THEN THEY COULD SURVIVE AND THRIVE VERY WELL IN OTHER AREAS OF THE PARK. JUST THIS PARTICULAR AREA, IN THIS STRETCH OF BRACKEN RIDGE PARK, THEY DO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE WATER QUALITY. THEY DO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE EXISTING VEGETATION THERE, AND THEY DO HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE AMENITIES THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO OFFER TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS. UM, SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS THE SUPPORT OF TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE, AS WELL AS U S D A AND ALSO U S FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICES WITH THE MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES THAT THEY ARE DOING FOR THE BIRDS. HOWEVER, I WANT TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 2017 BOND PROJECT, THAT THOSE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED TO PRESERVE THIS, THOSE HISTORICAL STRUCTURES, [04:40:01] NOT BECAUSE OF THE BIRDS. THANK, THANK YOU. UM, SO WE ALSO WANNA TALK ABOUT THE TREES AGAIN AND, UH, TALK ABOUT, UH, THE DESIGNATION. THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL TREES IN THIS AREA. THERE ARE HERITAGE TREES. AND HERITAGE TREES ARE DESIGNATED BY BEING 24 INCHES OR GREATER AT, UM, DIAMETER OF BREAST HEIGHT. SO, UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE WORKED WITH ARBORIST AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THE TREES, AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY TREES, UH, THAT ARE OVER THE 200 YEAR THRESHOLD THAT'S AROUND. SO, UM, AND WE'VE GOTTEN NUMEROUS ARBORISTS TO LOOK AT THAT AND TO GET SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. AND I THINK, MARK, YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AND THOSE DESIGNATIONS, UM, WITH THE TREES, BUT THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL TREES, UH, IN THE PARK, HONOR. THANK YOU. THEY'RE LISTED ON THE LANDSCAPE ON THAT NATIONAL HISTORIC, PLEASE. THE PAPERS, I GAVE YOU THE PAPERS. PLEASE KEEP, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELF AT THIS POINT TO MYSELF STUFF. UM, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SPEAK ON, UH, THE AGE OF THE TREES AND THE CHALLENGE WITH AGING THOSE TREES. UH, IT WAS REALLY GOOD TO HAVE ONE OF THE SPEAKERS HAVE SOME PICTURES FOR SOME CONTEXT OF WHERE THOSE TREES ARE. UH, AND IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO COMPARE THOSE PICTURES WITH THE, UH, CURRENT TREE SURVEY THAT'S DONE. UM, BUT IN ORDER TO BEST AGE THOSE TREES, WE GO BY WHAT STRUCTURES ARE AROUND THERE IN THAT AREA, AND HOW THOSE THING, THOSE STRUCTURES COULD HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED. AND IF THEY WOULD'VE ACCOMMODATED TREES IN THOSE LOCATIONS, UM, IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THERE WASN'T MAINTENANCE DONE THAT WOULD'VE PROBABLY PREVENTED A LOT OF THE TREES THAT ARE SO NEAR THE STRUCTURES, UH, TO CONTINUE TO GROW. AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT, UH, UH, CONDITION. UH, JUST ALSO WANTED TO, UH, TALK ABOUT EFFORTS THAT ARE MADE WHENEVER TREES ARE PLANTED, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR PUBLIC PROJECTS THAT, UH, THE PARKS DOES A GOOD JOB WITH PROPER PLANTING AND ESTABLISHMENT OF TREES. THEY TAKE AS MANY AS THREE YEARS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TREES ARE, UH, UH, WATERED AND MAINTAINED. UH, THE AMOUNT OF WATER IS, IS CAREFULLY REGULATED. WE, WE DO VALUE THE, UH, WATER AS A RESOURCE, UH, SO THE TREES ARE INDIVIDUALLY TREATED, UH, OR ARE NOT TREATED, BUT WATERED IS, IS TYP IS THE TYPICAL WAY SINCE IT'S A BIG CHALLENGE TO PUT IN AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND METER AND, AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT, UH, AS FAR AS AGES OF TREES, I, I, I, I WOULD HAVE TO REFER BACK TO SOME OF THE, UH, UH, THE HISTORY THAT'S ALREADY HERE. UH, WE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SUCCESSFULLY AGE THOSE TREES, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WELL, THAT, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, COMMISSIONER, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT IF I WANTED TO REBUT TO OR GIVE REBUTTAL TO ANYTHING THAT I HEARD, I, UH, I HEARD A LOT OF STUFF, UM, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, THE ONE THING THAT THAT, UM, KIND OF STOOD OUT TO ME, UM, WERE THERE WERE, AND I THINK THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE THAT MENTIONED IT, UM, THAT IT'S, IT WOULD BE SIMPLE JUST TO MOVE THE WALLS, UH, TO MOVE THEM IN, UH, MAYBE TO GET RID OF SOME OF THEM, UH, MAYBE TO ONLY BUILD OR, UM, UH, UH, REHABILITATE THOSE AREAS OF WALLS THAT AREN'T NEAR THE TREES AND JUST REMOVE THE WALLS THAT ARE NEAR THE TREES. UH, THERE WERE SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT HAD TALKED ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, UH, HONESTLY, IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE. UM, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE ANSWER. UH, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE PROCESS. UM, WE ARE BEHOLDEN TO, UH, TWO REGULATORY AGENCIES IN THIS CASE. UH, ONE OF THEM IS A T H C, OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURES. THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, THE US UH, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. UM, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS TAKEN JURISDICTION OVER OUR PROJECT BECAUSE OF, UH, DEALING WITH THE WATERWAY, THE [04:45:01] SAN ANTONIO RIVER, THE ASAKIA, UM, THE, UM, THE, UH, RACEWAY AS WELL. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE T H C FOR APPROXIMATELY 18 MONTHS, HAVING MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THEM AND DISCUSSING WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE AND THEN WHAT WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE, WHAT WOULD BE APPROVED, WHAT WOULDN'T BE APPROVED FOR THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS. UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO THEM. UH, WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THE PROJECT WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T, UH, GONE DOWN THE PATH OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE REMOVED WALLS OR MOVED WALLS IN, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF DOING THAT WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, UH, SINCE WE'RE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. UM, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE WHOLE MAKEUP OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN. UM, THAT WOULD, UH, CHOKE DOWN THAT AREA. UH, IT WOULD ADD, UH, FILL INTO THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN BY MOVING THE WALLS IN, YOU'RE BASICALLY ADDING FILL BEHIND THEM. UM, AND THAT WOULD HAVE, UH, IMPACTS DOWNSTREAM. UM, SO IF, IF WE TOOK THAT STEP AND WE WENT DOWN THAT PATH AND WE, AND WE SAID, OKAY, THIS IS GONNA BE OUR DESIGN. WE'RE GONNA MOVE THE WALLS IN, OR WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR ALL OF THE IMPACTS DOWNSTREAM, UH, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WE WOULD'VE TO MITIGATE FOR THAT AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN OPINE AS TO WHAT THAT MIGHT BE, BUT I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, SO DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO THAT IN THIS SETTING. UM, BUT WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION WITH OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE WELL VERSED IN, UH, IN DEALING WITH, UH, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IN THOSE RESPECTS. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS, WAS NOT TO GO DOWN THAT PATH. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN DEALING WITH HISTORIC STRUCTURES LIKE THIS, UM, AND HAVING THE T H C TELL US, YOU KNOW, LOOK, YOUR, YOUR BEST OPTION, UH, IS TO DEAL WITH THE STRUCTURES AS IS, UH, IN THEIR LOCATION, IN THEIR CONFIGURATION. UH, DO YOUR BEST TO, UM, TO REHABILITATE THEM AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE, THE PATHWAYS OF DESIGN THAT WE CHOSE TO GO BY BASED ON WHAT THESE REGULATORY AGENCIES HAVE BANTERED BACK AND FORTH WITH, UH, WITH US ON. SO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ISSUE WITH, UH, WITH, UM, UH, MOVING THE WALLS FORWARD, UM, OR ONLY REPAIRING SOME OF THEM AND NOT ALL OF THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE T H C WOULD HAVE A SAY IN THAT AS WELL. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ANY, EVERY INDICATION THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM THEM AND MEETING WITH THEM THE LAST 18 MONTHS, ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, THEY'VE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE, UH, THEMSELVES ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, AND WE'VE HAD, UH, VIRTUAL MEETINGS WITH THEM ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS AS WELL. UM, THEY, THEY JUST INDICATED THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMISSIBLE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY THAT, UM, AGAIN, THAT IT, IT'S JUST EAS IT'S EASIER TO DO THIS AND EASIER TO DO THAT. SO WE CAN SAVE TREES. UH, BELIEVE ME, I, I LOVE TREES AS MUCH AS ANYBODY. I WISH WE COULD SAVE THEM ALL. UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, WE CAN'T. AND SO WE'VE HAD TO BALANCE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE CULTURAL RESOURCES IN THE PARK, UH, TRYING TO PROTECT THEM, UH, REHABILITATE THEM, SAVE THEM, AND THEN TRYING TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS WE POSSIBLY COULD WITHIN OUR PROJECT AREA AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, I WILL TELL YOU IN THE WHOLE PROJECT, UH, THERE ARE 40 HERITAGE TREES. WE'RE PRESERVING 30 OF THEM, AND WE'RE ONLY REMOVING 10 OF THEM, UM, JUST ALONG THE RIVER BANKS. UM, WE'RE REMOVING 30 TREES. SEVEN OF THOSE 30 ARE HERITAGE. UH, WE'RE PRESERVING 13 LARGE TREES AND EIGHT OF THE 13 THAT WE'RE PRESERVING OUR HERITAGE TREES ALONG THE RIVER BANK. SO I BELIEVE MY DESIGN TEAM, ALONG WITH MYSELF, PUBLIC WORKS AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, AGAIN, WE'VE GONE THROUGH MANY, UM, ITERATIONS OF DESIGN MEETINGS AND AND WHATNOT. AND WE'VE DONE THE BEST THAT WE CAN WITH PRESERVING AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE AND STILL AIMING TO PROTECT THE CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT. THANK YOU. CULTURAL RESOURCES THEY HAVEN'T REACHED. AND ONE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO ADD IS THE BRECKENRIDGE PARK'S 343 ACRES. THIS AREA OF THE PARK IS NOT THE NATURAL AREA OF THE PARK, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE WALLS AND WITH, UH, THE OTHER FEATURES THAT ARE THERE. UM, [04:50:01] WE DO HAVE NATURAL AREAS OF THE PARK, AND THOSE WILL BE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE WITH THE BEAR COUNTY FUNDING AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD TO DO ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION AND HABITAT RESTORATION PROJECTS IN THE PARK ALONG THE RIVER WHERE IT IS NATURAL IN TWO SEGMENTS. ONE FROM THE LOW WATER CROSSING SOUTH TO MULBERRY, AND THE OTHER SEGMENT FROM MULBERRY, UH, DOWN TO THE GOLF COURSE. THOSE ARE NATURAL SECTIONS OF THE RIVER THAT NEED TO BE TREATED LIKE NATURAL SECTIONS OF THE RIVER, UH, THAT NEED TO BE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NEEDS TO BE SOME REPAIRS AND THINGS IN SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITIES, THE EXPERTS ON THAT. AND THEY'RE GONNA BE RUNNING THOSE PROJECTS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE OUR NATURAL AREAS AND OUR NATURAL COMPONENTS. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS AN URBAN AREA OF THE PARK. THIS HAS GOT HISTORIC AND CULTURAL FEATURES, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT, UM, TO OUR REGULATORY AGENCIES. IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UM, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE BCK RIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY. IT IS OUR STORY. IT IS OUR HISTORY, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THAT. AND ONCE AGAIN, AND LIKE I SAID OUT, UM, WITH THE D R C MEETING, YOU KNOW, THIS RELATES TO OUR WORLD HERITAGE DESIGNATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE STORY OF WATER, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITY, OUR, OUR CHILDREN TO GO TO. RIGHT? THEY ALREADY GO TO THE WITTY MUSEUM, THEY ALREADY GO TO THE ZOO, AND THEN THEY COME HERE TO PLAY. YOU KNOW WHAT, WE GOT THE HISTORY TO BE ABLE TO TEACH THEM HERE. WE GOT THE HISTORY TO TEACH 'EM ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE HERE AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PARK, AS WELL AS HAVE NATURAL AREAS AND NATURE AREAS, HAVE WILDLIFE, AND HAVE OTHER EXPERIENCES FOR ALL OF SAN ANTONIO PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM A CONSULTANT WITH THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT, BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS AS SIGNIFICANT AS CENTRAL PARK IT IS NOW THERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP AND FLOURISH THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND THE RESOURCES WE HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'LL GO TO, UM, YES, SIR, DON'T MIND. I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT, STATING THAT THEY HAVE THERE, THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONER, EVERYONE. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE RESIDENTS THAT CAME OUT TODAY. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM YOU. SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING RESPECTFUL AND BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT I BELIEVE ALSO SOMETIMES IT GETS OVERLOOKED, IS THE SAFETY OF THE WALL. MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT IN SOME OF THE PICTURES, YOU'LL SEE HOW THE WALL HAS COLLAPSED AND HAD TO BE STOOD UP. ONE OF MY GREATEST FEARS AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IS THAT A CHILD OR SOMEONE HAS AN ACCIDENT THERE, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT FAILURES ARE GOING TO OCCUR NEXT. WE REALLY DON'T. AND THAT'S TROUBLING FOR ME TO HAVE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN. NOW. IT'S BEEN FENCED OFF. I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME MORE. BUT I DO SEE WHERE THE WALLS TRYING TO RETAIN STAFF HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF COMING AND BEING TRANSPARENT, GOING THROUGH THE TOURS, POINTING OUT A LOT OF INFORMATION. AND I'M NOT EVEN REMOTELY TRYING TO SAY WE'RE PERFECT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT, WE HAVE NEGLECTED THINGS OVER THE YEARS, BE IT LACK OF FUNDING OR WHATEVER REASON, THE FACT STILL REMAINS THAT STAFF WANTS TO GET IT RIGHT TODAY. AND WE WANT TO DO OUR PART. AND I KNOW AS THE TALENT THAT'S THERE, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH EVERY FRONT DOOR FROM T H C TO ALL OF THE OTHER REGULATORY AGENCIES THAT ARE REQUIRED. THAT CORPS OF ENGINEERS DOESN'T PLAY. I'VE DONE ENOUGH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND RESPONSES, AND THEY JUST DON'T PLAY. IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR. WE'RE NOT COMING THROUGH SIDE DOORS. WE'RE NOT COMING IN BACK WINDOWS OR DROPPING FROM CEILINGS. WE ARE BEING VERY RESPECTFUL TO THE PROCESS AND WE'RE BEING VERY TRANSPARENT. [04:55:02] UH, I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T HAVE AN EASY JOB, BUT I DID, UH, WANT Y'ALL TO KNOW THAT, UH, THIS IS A FOLLOW THROUGH TO THE BOND DOLLARS THAT THE VOTERS HAD APPROVED IN 2017. THIS IS ALSO A PART OF THE BRACKENRIDGE STRATEGIC PLAN, THEIR MASTER PLAN THAT THEY'VE EXECUTED, UH, SO WELL. SO I JUST WANTED Y'ALL TO HAVE THE FULL STORY, BUT THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE HERE AS WELL. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU. WE'LL, NOW HAVE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. OKAY. YEAH. I'LL GO FIRST. I HAVE A, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND, UM, ARE WE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE CONSTITUENTS? YES. OKAY, GOOD. UM, WHERE TO BEGIN? TWO PAGES OF NOTES I TOOK FROM EVERYBODY SPEAKING. RIGHT. SO, UM, I GUESS LET'S GET TO THE CRUX OF THIS, OF THE TREES. UM, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDED WAS THE ARBORIST. WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDED SAFETY FACTOR FOR A LEANING TREE WITH ROOTS EXPOSED? IS THERE A GUIDELINE FROM THE U S D A US? UH, THERE'S NO GUIDELINE. I MEAN, I THINK I LOOKED UP 15%. IF A TREE IS LEANING MORE THAN 15%, IT'S, IT, IT, IT PRESENTS A HAZARD. IS THAT RIGHT? THERE, THERE ARE GUIDELINES TO USE. AND, AND EACH TREE AND EACH SITUATION IS GOING TO DICTATE A, A, A SPECIFIC ASSESSMENT? YES. OKAY, GREAT. AND, AND SO THOSE LEANING ANGLES, THEN, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE BALL OF A TREE, AM I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE BALL OF THE TREE UNDER UNDERGROUND, THE ROOT BALL SYSTEM, IS WHAT KEEPS IT FROM FALLING OVER? CORRECT? CORRECT. UH, IF THERE'S A COMPROMISE TO THE ROOT SYSTEM, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE HEALTH OF THE TREE OVERALL AND ABILITY TO, TO KEEP HIMSELF, UH, UPRIGHT. OKAY. ARE WE SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE TREES IN THIS LOCATION? SURE. OKAY. SO, YES. SO YOU AS, AS YOU COULD SEE FROM SOME OF THE PHOTOS THAT WERE PROVIDED, THAT A TREE HAS A ROOT SYSTEM. I'LL MAKE A, A SIMPLE PICTURE OF A WAGON WHEEL LAID ON ITS SIDE WITH THE HUB BEING THE TRUNK OF THE TREE, SPOKES GOING OUT, RADIALLY AS THE ROOTS. THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE HOLDING ON, LITERALLY HOLDING ON IN THE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY ARE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AND EVENLY DISTRIBUTED ROOT SYSTEM. ALL OF THE TREES ALSO ARE LEANING, UH, FOR THE EFFECT OF GETTING AS MUCH SUN AS THEY CAN TOO IN DIFFERENT AREAS. SO OTHER OVERSTORY TREES CAUSE UNDER STORY TREES AND TREES THAT APPEAR WHERE THEY DO GROW IN THOSE, IN RELATE, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM IN THE ENVIRONMENT. OKAY. SO THE ROOT BALL SYSTEM THEN FIGURING IT IS ROUND. IF IT'S MISSING PART OF THAT, IF IT'S HALF OF IT'S GONE OR A THIRD OF IT'S GONE, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE OVERALL TREE AS IN ITS SAFETY TO, TO, TO THE AREA AROUND IT? SO WHENEVER YOU HAVE A FAILED WALL, YOU, YOU'VE, THE, THE TREE IS GROWN IN THAT LOCATION AND BEEN ABLE TO ADAPT TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S A WALL AND ONLY A PARTIAL, YOU KNOW, NOT A, NOT WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO BE A TYPICAL ROOT SYSTEM. SO WHEN WALLS FAIL, THAT'S WHEN THE TREE IS GONNA COME DOWN. 'CAUSE THE SOIL IS GOING TO BE ERODED OUT WITH BY NATURE. ROOTS ARE DEEP. OKAY. AND CAN YOU TALK TO ME ALSO ABOUT CONSTRUCTION? ANY TYPE OF EXCAVATION IN AND AROUND A TREE? IF YOU START POKING AROUND ROOTS, WHAT HAPPENS THERE? IF YOU START TAKING WALLS OFF, PUTTING WALLS IN, PICKING AROUND THERE, TRYING TO STAND IT UP AGAIN OR STABILIZE THE TREE, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE TREE? SO, SO CON CONSTRUCTION IS GONNA SEVERELY IMPACT EVEN THE TREES THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED. OKAY. THERE'S GOING TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OVER EXCAVATION IN ORDER TO RESTORE WALLS. UM, SO THAT IS, THAT, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE STRUCTURE OF A TREE. UH, WE EXPECT THAT ROOTS ARE, DON'T GO STRAIGHT DOWN. I TRIED TO DR. GIVE YOU THE PICTURE OF A ROOT SYSTEM THAT'S SPREAD AND SHALLOW. SO ANY IMPACT ON A LIMITED AREA OF ROOTS IS ALREADY GONNA BE IMPACTED. YES. UM, SO THE FAILURE OF THE WALL, THE FAILURE OF THE TREES, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE WATERSHED IN THAT AREA AND AROUND WRECK RIDGE PARK AND THE REST OF SAN ANTONIO? I'M NOT GOING TO BE A HYDROLOGICAL ENGINEER OR ANYTHING, BUT EVERYTHING FLOWS DOWNSTREAM. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THESE FLOODS THAT ARE HAPPENING, IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S RAINING IN THIS ONE SPOT, IT'S COMING FROM UPSTREAM, SPEAKING OF WATERSHEDS. SO THE, THE [05:00:01] FLOODING THAT'S TAKING PLACE IS, IS, IS NOT IN, WE JUST SEE IT IN THAT AREA, AND WE KNOW WHERE IT GOES. IT GOES DOWNSTREAM. SO ANY OF THE IMPACT TO EITHER FIX THINGS OR NOT FIX THINGS DOES AFFECT THE DOWNSTREAM. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, MR. COMMISSIONER. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINA CHAIRMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER LOFO? OH, YES, SIR. UM, AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, I AM THE FIRST ONE TO SPEAK FOR TREES AND TO SPEAK FOR PRESERVATION OF TREES. UH, IN MY PRACTICE OF OVER 50 YEARS, I HAVE, UH, CONSTANTLY DESIGNED AROUND EXISTING TREES TO TRY AND PRESERVE AS MANY AS AS POSSIBLE. I'VE ALSO ASKED MY CLIENTS OFTEN TO REDESIGN THINGS LIKE PARKING LOTS TO, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE EXISTING TREES. SO I'M FOR PRESERVING TREES, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE A DILEMMA. WE HAVE A CONFLICT BETWEEN HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND HERITAGE TREES. AND THE TWO DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO COEXIST OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. UM, I WORKED OUT OF A BUILDING A SHORT DISTANCE FROM THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, WORKED THERE FOR 15 YEARS. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, AND I HAVE SEEN THE DETERIORATION OF THE RIVER WALLS AND THE LAMBERT BEACH STRUCTURES, STAIRS, ET CETERA, OVER THE MANY YEARS, AND HAVE REGRETTED SEEING THAT AND, AND HOPE THAT SOMEDAY SOMETHING COULD BE DONE TO, UH, REMEDY THAT IT SEEMS THAT DAY HAS COME. AND WHEN, UH, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF MET WITH THE APPLICANTS ON SITE LAST WEEK, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS, HAS THE, UH, DESIGN TEAM LOOKED AT, UH, ALTERNATIVE PROCEDURES SUCH AS ROOT PRUNING AND ROOT BARRIERS, WHICH IS, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, A ROOT BARRIER IS WHERE YOU BURY A LARGE SHEET OF EITHER HEAVY PLASTIC OR SOMETIMES METAL TO DETER THE ROOTS FROM GROWING TOWARDS A STRUCTURE THAT YOU WANT TO PRESERVE. AND THE ANSWER I GOT WAS THAT, UH, THAT WAS CONSIDERED, BUT THE TREES IN QUESTION ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE WALLS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT AN OPTION. PLUS, ROOT BARRIERS ARE REALLY JUST A TEMPORARY SOLUTION BECAUSE ROOTS CONTINUE TO GROW AND EVENTUALLY GROW DOWN AND GROW UNDER ROOT BARRIERS, AND THEN CONTINUE TO GROW TOWARDS THE STRUCTURE YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE. SO, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE THE DESIGN TEAM THAT'S PROPOSING THIS PROJECT HAS, HAS DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND HAS TRIED TO SAVE AS MANY OF THE EXISTING TREES AS POSSIBLE. UM, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SEE A LARGE HERITAGE TREE BEING REMOVED. IT'S, IT'S REALLY SAD. IT'S, IT'S HEARTBREAKING TO, TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. BUT IT COMES DOWN TO DO YOU PRESERVE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR DO YOU KEEP THE TREES, A DECISION HAS TO BE MADE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? UM, I'M, I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE RIGHT NOW, SO I'LL LEAVE IT TO COMMENTS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR THE TIME BEING OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SAVINO . THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, I DO WANNA THANK EVERYBODY WHO HAS COME OUT AND WHO IS STILL HERE TO ENSURE THAT YOUR VOICES ARE HEARD AND YOUR SENTIMENTS ARE CONSIDERED. UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE STAFF HAS DONE GIVING TOURS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, SHOWING US AROUND THE SITE. I KNOW YOU HAVE AN, UH, A LARGE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY TO BALANCE, UM, YOUR, YOUR MISSION WITH THE FUNDS AND THE TIMELINE YOU HAVE AT HAND. UM, THAT [05:05:01] SAID, UM, I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED, UM, BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT I AM INCLINED TO CONSIDER AND, AND WONDER IF WE CAN DO THIS. AND I, THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE. UM, I THINK THERE IS SOME, I'LL SAY THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, FOR US TO CONSIDER WHAT TIME CAN GIVE TO THE PROJECT ON BEHALF OF, FOR STAFF AS WELL AS FOR THE PUBLIC. I CONSIDER MYSELF PRETTY RELATIVELY WELL INFORMED HERE IN THE CITY. I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS COMING UP UNTIL SOMEBODY TOLD ME THE DAY OF PLANNING. I HAD NOT, I HAD NOT A CLUE. OKAY. OKAY. WE ROLL WITH THIS AND WE LEARN AS MUCH AS WE CAN ABOUT THIS. I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION FINAL WORD ON THIS. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN PRIVATE CONSULTATIONS OR PRELIMINARY CONSULTATION ON THIS, AND THEY DO GIVE US GREAT ADVICE. THEY GIVE US GREAT GUIDANCE, BUT IT'S NOT THE FINAL GUIDANCE. SAME WITH ANY OF THE OTHER ENTITIES OR AGENCIES, ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. UM, AND I THINK THE REASON THAT, I'M GONNA GUESS THE REASON YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THAT STUFF IS BECAUSE IT'S STILL PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS WE'RE DOING. WE'RE GETTING APPROVAL FOR THE TREES, AND MAYBE LATER WE'LL COME BACK AND DO THE STRUCTURES. MAYBE EVEN WE'LL GET A REPLACEMENT PLAN FOR THE TREES. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M AGREEING TO BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS. SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M, I AM ENCOURAGING EVERYBODY INVOLVED HERE, STAKEHOLDERS AND YOU, THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER WHAT A CONTINUANCE CAN GIVE YOU, WHAT IT CAN'T GIVE YOU WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN TERMS OF A RESTORED NATURAL CULTURAL LANDSCAPE. I'M, I'M LOST ON, I'M LOST ON WHAT THE INTENT IS OR WHAT ONE OF THE GOALS IS FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE PUMP HOUSE AS IT RELATES TO LAMBERT BEACH. LET I, AND SEE, THIS IS WHAT I THINK IS VERY EXCITING AND VERY GREAT ABOUT WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING, IS YOU'RE RESTORING THE PUMPHOUSE AND THE ORIGINAL FLOW, AND THE OUTFLOW AND THE REDIRECTION. AND THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE WONDERFUL. IT'S HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. WOULD YOU SAY MORE OR LESS, THEN WHY ARE WE NOT TURNING AROUND 180 DEGREES AND WANTING TO CREATE A ACCURATE HISTORIC OR A CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE LAMBERT BEACH? YOU KNOW, BY REMOVING THE TREES, WE ARE NOT CULTURALLY OR HISTORICALLY EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT THAT WAS. EVERY RIVER I'VE BEEN TO IN THE NORTH, IN NORTH AMERICA HAS HAD TREES IN THE FLOODWAY, ALSO IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. AND SO, BY ELIMINATING SO MANY TREES WITHOUT A REPLACEMENT PLAN, I, I JUST, I, ARE WE GOING FOR HISTORIC? ARE WE GOING FOR, YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN HISTORIC? WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO THOSE ARE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS I FEEL LIKE SO MANY OF US NEED TO HAVE. I'M, I'M, SO, ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO GO ON. SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF EVERYBODY'S GOALS, UM, IF, UM, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN EXTEND THE CONVERSATION, I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY, UH, SUPPORT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH, WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. UH, I WOULD ADD TO THAT, THAT ABOUT THE ONLY THING I THINK RIGHT NOW THAT I CAN EVEN LOOK AT IS A TREE THAT'S LIKE DYING OR ROOTS EXPOSED, OR ABOUT TO JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE WALLED UP STUFF. OBVIOUSLY THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. RIGHT? RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT, UM, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE DONE ENOUGH EFFORT TO TRY AND PRESERVE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. WELL, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME, PLEASE, WILL YOU PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE AND YOUR COMMENTS. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE MEETING. WE WERE ALL VERY, UH, COURTEOUS FOR Y'ALL SPEAKING. OKAY. SO IF YOU'LL PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE IN SPEAKING SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THE, THE MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVEN'T TAKEN EVERY STEP, OR WE HAVEN'T, UM, PUT ENOUGH TIME INTO THIS PROCESS. UM, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, UH, OUR FULL DESIGN PROJECT, [05:10:01] UM, FOR, UH, IT'S GONNA BE TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW. WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE DESIGN TEAM, UH, THAT IS, UH, THAT HAS SEVERAL DIFFERENT EXPERTS, UH, UH, ON THEM. WE HAVE ENGINEERS, WE HAVE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, UH, WE HAVE ARCHITECTS, WE HAVE HISTORICAL ARCHITECT. UM, WE HAVE A CIVIL ENGINEER, STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, M E P ENGINEERS. UH, OUR SCOPE IS, IS, UH, IS VERY BROAD, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT, UH, IN THIS SIX AND A HALF ACRE PORTION OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, THE TIMING OF REMOVING THE TREES IS A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. UM, SO OUR SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW, THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT THAT YOU'VE SEEN, UH, WE'VE DECIDED TO BREAK UP INTO TWO PHASES. THE FIRST PHASE BEING LAMBERT BEACH. UM, AND REALLY BECAUSE OF THE URGENCY OF DEALING WITH THOSE FAILING STRUCTURES. OKAY. UM, WE DON'T HAVE, UM, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THE SCHEDULE FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECT. UM, AND THAT WILL E THAT WILL EVOLVE AFTER THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA. BUT IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET LAMBERT BEACH DONE AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. UM, PART OF THAT EQUATION, UM, IS, UH, THE MIGRATORY BIRDS COMING INTO ROOST IN FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL AND MAY. SO THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE SOON. THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO, TO COME. UM, WE CANNOT START A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN EARLY SUMMER, UH, IN THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA. PART OF THAT PROJECT WOULD BE REMOVING THE TREES AND WORKING ON THE WALLS. WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT WITH A ROOKERY IN OUR, IN THE TREES. UH, WE'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED TO, UM, NOT ALLOWED TO DO CONSTRUCTION, UM, ACTIVITIES, UH, WITH ROOKERY, UH, WITH BIRDS, UH, ROOSTING AND NESTING. UM, AND SO THAT WOULD PUT THAT PROJECT OFF, UH, FOR SEVERAL MONTHS UNTIL, AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TOUCH IT AGAIN UNTIL THE NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIMEFRAME. AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN BETWEEN THAT SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS? UM, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO FIND OUT. OUR PLAN IS TO ADDRESS THE WALLS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UM, IN EARLY, UH, SUMMER. UH, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE CAN'T HAVE BIRDS NESTING AND ROOSTING ABOVE OUR CONSTRUCTION SITE. UM, AND THE TREES HAVE TO BE REMOVED TO, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS TO THOSE WALLS. WE CAN GET TO THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S OUR TIMELINE RIGHT NOW. WE, WE DO NOT WANT A CONTINUANCE. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE, UH, LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW. UM, THE TIMING IS URGENT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE COMING FOR TO TODAY, IS FOR YOU TO, UH, TO APPROVE REMOVING THE TREES THAT ARE IN THE, ALONG THE RIVERBANKS AT THE, UM, LAMBER BEACH AREA. OKAY. SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT PROJECT GOING, UH, AND GET THOSE, THOSE WALLS FIXED. THAT'S WHERE WE STAND. IF, IF YOU WERE, I'M SORRY, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SURE. FOR THE FENCING ALONG LAMBERT BEACH, HOW LONG HAS THAT FENCING BEEN UP? UH, UH, PARKS CAN PROBABLY BETTER ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IT'S GONNA BE VARYING YEARS. SOME OF IT WE PUT UP, UH, JUST RECENTLY, SOME OF IT UP LAST YEAR, SOME OF IT PROBABLY FIVE YEARS AGO, SOME OF IT PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO. AND OBVIOUSLY, WALLS HAVE FALLEN SINCE THEN AND CONTINUE TO FALL. AND SO, UM, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA STOP. SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORIC AND CULTURAL FEATURES. MM-HMM. . AND ONE LAST, LAST QUESTION. I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER ANTES. UM, THE, UM, UH, THE DELAY FOR CONSTRUCTION, UM, WHY IS IT NOVEMBER? WHY WOULD IT BE NOVEMBER AND NOT THE END OF THE NESTING SEASON FOR THE, THAT IS, THAT IS THE END OF THE NESTING PERIOD, AUGUST. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, GREATER EGRETS, WE HAVE, UM, CATTLE EGRETS, WE ALSO HAVE KORANS. THEY'RE ALL SEQUENTIAL. THEY'RE NOT ALL AT THE SAME TIME, SO THEY COME IN AT DIFFERENT TIMES. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SERIES OF BIRDS COMING IN. NOW. WE HAVE ANOTHER SERIES COMING IN, UM, APRIL, MAY. AND THEN THE CORN RANCH WILL COME AND AFTER THAT AND WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE PERIOD. SO THE RUSH IS TO AVOID THE NESTING SEASON, CORRECT? NO. THE RUSH IS TO BE, YES. TO BE ABLE TO DO, BE ABLE TO DO WORK. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, BEFORE WE GET BACK TO COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, ARE THERE ANY OTHER [05:15:01] COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANY OF THOSE? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ABOUT WHEN WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE, UH, MORE DETAILED PLANS ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, WALL REPAIR RECONSTRUCTION, PARTICULARLY AROUND THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA. SO OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING, UH, WITH THE T H C RIGHT NOW TO FINALIZE THOSE PLANS. UM, AND ONCE WE, UM, KIND OF GET AN UNOFFICIAL OKAY. AND WE START THAT PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, WE WILL COME TO H D R C, UH, AT THAT TIME AS WELL. IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE IN THE APRIL, APRIL TO MAY TIMEFRAME. UM, IT'S UNUSUAL THAT WE HAVE REQUESTS FOR REMOVAL WITHOUT PLANS FOR REPLACEMENT THAT WE CAN EVALUATE MORE CAREFULLY. UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. I THINK COMMISSIONER L'S COMMENT ABOUT THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND ARTIFACTS, UM, THAT EXISTS BETWEEN THE TREES IS AN, IS AN INTERESTING WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND IN TERMS OF THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER BALANCE HERE. IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SEE WHERE THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR COMPROMISE OR OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HERITAGE TREES PRESERVED WITHOUT ANY DETAIL AT ALL ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK. SO YOU ARE THINKING THAT YOU WILL HAVE, YOU WILL COME TO THIS COMMISSION WITH DETAILED PLANS IN APRIL OR MAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. COMMISSIONER, AND, AND I WILL SAY THAT, UM, UH, WE, WE ARE PRESERVING OTHER TREES AND HERITAGE TREES. UM, THERE WAS ALWAYS A POTENTIAL FOR REMOVING ALL OF THE TREES SO THAT THERE WERE JUST NO QUESTION. AND OUR DESIGN TEAM HAS WORKED LONG AND HARD TO, UH, YOU KNOW, VISIT THE SITE, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, THE SITUATION BETWEEN THE WALLS AND THE TREES, AND COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT EIGHT HERITAGE TREES IN THE SAME AREA CAN BE SAVED, UM, CAN BE PRESERVED. AND SO THAT'S OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW. SO, BUT YOUR REQUEST IS FOR, YOUR REQUEST IS FOR MORE REMOVAL THAN THE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TARGETING URGENTLY, CORRECT? UH, NO, I BELIEVE OUR REQUEST IS FOR, SO THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FOR REMOVAL OF THE TREES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE RIVER BANKS. THAT'S A RIO YES. UH, STANDARD THAT WE'RE MEETING. SO THE, THE OVERALL PLAN FOR THIS AREA IS LARGER. IT'S A LARGER NUMBER OF TREES, BUT THOSE DO NOT REQUIRE ACTION TODAY. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ YOUR PERMISSION. UM, VERY DIFFICULT, VERY DIFFICULT, UH, POSITION TO BE IN. THERE'S TIMES WHEN YOU JUST WANNA QUIT THE H D R C. UM, I WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR THE TIME THAT Y'ALL SPENT WITH US ABOUT, I GUESS GENERALLY ABOUT TWO HOURS. AND THEN Y'ALL SPENT ANOTHER HOUR AND 15 MINUTES WITH ME. SO ALL IN ALL, WE WERE THERE FOR ABOUT THREE AND A HALF HOURS. I, I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL. UH, IF NOTHING ELSE, LISTENING TO A RAMBLING MEMBER OF THE H D R C, UM, AND, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TOO. I'M, I'M, UH, UM, ALWAYS, UH, HUMBLED BY Y'ALL'S PRESENTATIONS. AND, UM, AND MOSES, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE GIVEN THE BEST PRESENTATION OF THE GROUP. UM, I, BUT, BUT I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU THAT, UM, FOR ME, THIS PROJECT'S KINDA LIKE AN, LIKE AN ONION THAT YOU PEEL BACK AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR LAYER RIGHT? I'M NOT, UM, UM, HOW CAN I SAY, UH, UH, PASSIONATE ABOUT THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA? UH, UH, I THINK, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, UH, LIKE SO MANY OF THE CASES THAT COME BEFORE US, THERE, THERE ARE THESE KIND OF, UM, BASTIONS OF SEGREGATION. AND, AND LAMBERT BEACH IS ONE OF THOSE MONUMENTS TO RACIAL SEGREGATION IN SAN ANTONIO. I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT IS THAT IT, IT GIVES A LITTLE DESIGN LEEWAY TO, UH, RECONSIDER WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE IN SAN ANTONIO. [05:20:01] SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO MR. LAMBERT, THAT I THINK PROBABLY HAD ONE OF THE POSITIONS THAT ONE OF Y'ALL HAD, UM, HAS A REAL ANGRY SPEECH IN 19 19 19, WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY BEING ACCOMMODATED. THERE'S A, A NEGRO PARK AND A, A PLAYGROUND AND A MEXICAN PLAYGROUND. AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, THE ECHOES OF, UH, THE SEPARATE BUT EQUAL, UH, REALITY THAT AMERICA LIVED IN. A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE THAT, UH, WAS A PARTNER IN CRIME. ALBERT PENA WAS A JUDGE HERE. CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER TOLD ME THAT WHEN INTEGRATION CAME, CAME ABOUT, AND HE WAS ONE OF THE CHAMPIONS OF INTEGRATION, THAT A LOT OF THESE SWIMMING POOLS AND PLACES LIKE THAT WERE JUST LEFT. THE, UH, UM, THE DOMINANT SAN ANTONIO LEADERSHIP WOULD JUST ABANDON THESE PLACES IF IT MEANT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO SWIM WITH MEXICANS OR NEGROES OR PLAY. THAT'S IN SOME CASES WHY A LOT OF THESE PLACES FALL INTO DISREPAIR. THEY JUST DISAPPEARED FROM, FROM, FROM THE AGENDA. AND IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT LAMBERT BEACH IS ONE OF THOSE PLACES. UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT FLOATED AROUND IN MY HEAD FOR ALL THIS TIME, IS WE, WE THINK VERY HARD ABOUT THESE SITUATIONS, PARTICULARLY WHEN THE COMMUNITY'S CALLING US ON THE PHONE EVERY OTHER HOUR. UM, IS THE BEACH RESTORED SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET INTO IT? OR IS IT RESTORED JUST TO BE A MEMORY? UH, THE PLAN IS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ACCESS THE WATER FOR FISHING, NOT NECESSARILY SWIMMING. UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S STILL DISALLOWED, UM, BY ORDINANCE. BUT, UM, TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ACCESS THE WATER ON THAT PARTICULAR SIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCESS THE WATER ON ONE SIDE OF THE RIVER. UH, AT ONE POINT IN HISTORY MM-HMM. PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT SECTION OF THE RIVER BY BOTH SIDES. UM, AND TODAY THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S AN IMPORTANCE TO THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN IMPORTANCE TO THE USE AND RECREATION, UH, THAT WILL BE AFFORDED ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE. WELL, YOU KNOW, LET ME, LET ME, UM, UH, TELL YOU THAT, AND, AND Y'ALL, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL, PARTICULARLY THE BROTHER FROM THE AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF VERY IMPORTANT THINGS BEING SAID ON ONE SIDE THAT I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR. BUT THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A BUILDING AND, AND THERE'S A, A ROAD THAT I ASKED HIM TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING A, A BRIDGE BECAUSE OF THE CRUISING THAT GOES ON, RIGHT? I THINK SOMEONE SPOKE ABOUT THAT, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT COULD BE DONE. BUT IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST SIDE OF THAT ROAD, THERE'S A BUILDING WITH A STONE STUCK IN IT. AND THESE GENTLEMEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THAT STONE IS A KEYSTONE TO AN ARCH THAT'S UNDERGROUND. THEY ARCH IT WAS COVERED. SEE, AND THEY WOULD DO THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN THEY ABANDONED THESE LOCATIONS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY OF GETTING TO THOSE ARCHES WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A TREE GROWING, COVERING ONE OF THE KEYSTONE, WHICH IS JUST MAKES NO SENSE. RIGHT? WHY WOULD YOU LET A TREE DO THAT? UNLESS YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PERHAPS IT WAS ABANDONED BECAUSE NOBODY WAS GONNA SWIM IN THAT POOL ANYMORE. RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. BUT IF WE GET TO THE COMMENTS OF, OF, UH, LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE, THE, THE SPIRIT OF, UH, OUR FRIEND FROM THE AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT, THAT IT REALLY DOES ASK US TO MAKE A QUALIFIED MORAL JUDGMENT HERE. IS IT ABOUT NATURE OR IS IT ABOUT THE FURTHERING URBANIZATION, WHICH RAISES ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPACE BETWEEN THE BLUE HOLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT OCCURS. AND CLEARLY WE WOULD BE MOVING A AWAY FROM THE NATURAL RESPONSE TO WHERE A SPRING IS LOCATED. I THINK WE CALL IT THE SPIRIT WATERS, RIGHT? SAFE SPRINGS, THAT WE REALLY DO BREAK, UM, SOME RULES THAT LEAD US TO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO WIN AGAINST THE NATURAL, UM, THE NATURAL PROCESS HERE. AND I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IF IT WAS JUST ANY PLACE, BUT IF IT'S A PLACE WHERE THE SPRINGS ARE, WHERE THEY, WHERE, I MEAN ACTUALLY WHERE WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY PERVERTED IT TO SUCH A LEVEL THAT, THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT, UM, IT NOT JUST BEING A NA NATURAL PLACE. LIKE I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINA WAS SAYING, WHERE SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACES IN BANDERA WHERE THE TREES ARE GROWING, RIGHT? ON THE RIVERBANKS OR THE GUADALUPE. SO [05:25:01] I, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATIONS, AND I WANT TO TELL YOU, I WANNA BE SUPPORTIVE, UM, OF, OF WHAT SEEMS TO BE A WONDERFUL PROJECT. AND I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT I, I CAN'T THINK OF TWO MORE DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS JUST FROM THE PASSION THAT THEY SPOKE WITH US OVER THERE. UM, SO IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON Y'ALL, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A REFLECTION ON, ON THE, ON THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE WITH, WITH RESPECT TO MY OPINION. BUT, UM, THERE ARE THESE LAYERS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE RESOLVED. AND ONE MOST IMPORTANT FOR ME, 'CAUSE EQUITY IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROJECT FOR ME, IS THAT THESE ECHOES OF RACISM THAT WE REFUSE TO ADDRESS, WHETHER IT'S THE BURIAL GROUNDS IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO OR THE SLEEPY MEXICANS ON THE MISSION DRIVE-IN MARQUEE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT, THAT IF YOU'VE BEEN TAUGHT IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, YOU'VE BEEN TAUGHT THAT THOSE WERE PLACES WHERE MEXICANS WERE NEVER ALLOWED. AND I THINK IT GIVES US LICENSE, MR. CHAIR, TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A CULTURAL, UM, ICON. IT'S NOT A CULTURAL ICON OF, OF, OF MY CULTURE, AND MOST DEFINITELY OF A MAJORITY OF THE, THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. CAN I, UM, YES, SIR. UM, SO I'D LIKE YOU TO ADVENTURE INTO THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT. AND MR. EVERETT FLY WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE YOU ABOUT CELEBRATING ALL OF THOSE IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK, THE NEGRO HISTORY, THE HISPANIC HISTORY, THAT IS SOMETHING THE BRACKRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IS DEFINITELY FOR. UM, AND WE CAN DO THAT IN ALL DIFFERENT WAYS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE PARK. WE'RE TALKING 343 ACRES, RIGHT? AND, UH, I DO WANT, I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR INDUSTRIAL THING. THE BLUE HOLE IS IN THE UNIVERSITY OF CARN WORD, RIGHT? AROUND A BUNCH OF, UH, BUILDINGS. AND, AND, AND THERE IS A PROJECT THERE CALLED THE SPIRIT REACH, UH, WHICH GET IS GONNA GET PEOPLE FROM BRACKEN RIDGE PARK TO THE BLUE HOLE, WHICH HASN'T HAPPENED IN MANY A YEARS BECAUSE OF SECURITY ISSUES. THOSE ARE HA THAT'S HAPPENING, RIGHT? THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT, CREATE THAT SPACE AS A WALKING PEDESTRIAN PATH AND CONNECT TO OUR AREA, WHICH THEN CONNECTS TO THE 1776 DIVERSION DAM. SO ALL THESE THINGS GO TOGETHER. I MEAN, UM, EVERETT DOES A GREAT TALK ABOUT THIS, ABOUT HOW HE WE, HOW WE NEED TO INCLUDE ALL THOSE ASPECTS, YOUR CULTURE, OUR CULTURE, EVERYBODY'S CULTURE IN THE PARK BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE. AND SO WE CAN TELL THOSE STORIES, THE INDIGENOUS STORIES. WE'VE GOT ARCHEOLOGY ALL OVER THE PLACE. WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH T H C AND GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT SETTLEMENTS, AND WE'D LOVE TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WE DO HAVE INTERPRETIVE PANELS OUT THERE THAT DOES TALK ABOUT IT. UM, ACTUALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN COLLECTIONS IN THE WHITTY MUSEUM TO SHOW THAT OFF AND TELL ABOUT THAT. UM, SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY ON THE TABLE. WE WANNA HAVE THOSE BRECKENRIDGE PARK'S, EVERYBODY'S PARK. THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. WE DO HAVE THE FUNDS. WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. WE'VE GOT CULTURAL AND HISTORIC FEATURES, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT. THAT'LL GO IN DISREPAIR. AND THEY'RE GONE WHEN THEY FALL DOWN, WHEN THEY GO AWAY, THEY'RE GONE. RIGHT? AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE THOSE AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AT THE H D R C TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC AND, AND DESIGN FEATURES, RIGHT? CULTURAL FEATURES. SO WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES. NATURE IS IMPORTANT. NATURAL IS IMPORTANT IN THE RIGHT SETTINGS. WE DO HAVE NATURAL AREAS OF THE PARK, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT BELONGS. IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE DOESN'T, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE TREES HERE. THERE IS GONNA BE TREES HERE. THIS AREA IS GONNA BE TAKEN, IT'S AN URBAN AREA OF THE PARK WHERE PEOPLE GATHER, PICNIC, DO OTHER THINGS. WE HAVE OTHER AREAS OF THE PARK THAT ARE NATURAL, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THOSE. AND SO, UM, TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT EVERYTHING OR THINKING EVERYTHING THROUGH IS REALLY DISINGENUOUS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. UM, WE, UH, WE DO HEAR THE CITIZENS, WE DO HEAR THE PEOPLE. WE DO THINK IF YOU, I KNOW THAT DOCUMENT'S A LONG DOCUMENT. IT'S LIKE 700 PAGES LONG. THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD THINGS IN THERE AND SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE. SO WE, WE JUST ASKED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET US STARTED, UM, GET US ALONG THE WAY TO LET US PRESERVE THESE FEATURES THAT ARE HERE NOW. BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE GONE. YOU'RE RIGHT, WE CAN DO ANYTHING THEN. RIGHT? UM, AND THEN WE LOST THAT. AND THAT'S A LOT OF HISTORY. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT [05:30:01] WHY BRACKENRIDGE PARK WAS IMPORTANT, WAS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, IF, UH, I'M SORRY, ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. UM, AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO'S COME OUT TODAY AND ALSO ALL THE PHONE CALLS. AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK THE CITY STAFF AND THEIR, UH, HARD WORK ON THIS OVER THE, THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. UM, I'M IN THE SAME BOAT WITH SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT APPROVING ONE PART OF A PROJECT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE OTHER PIECES ARE. UM, I'M HAVING A LITTLE, UH, TROUBLE RECONCILING THAT, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO BEAT THE, THE CALENDAR FOR THE BIRDS, UM, BUT IT'S ALSO OBVIOUS THAT THE, THE DANGEROUS PARTS OF THAT AREA HAVE BEEN FENCED OFF FOR A WHILE. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, CAN IT BE, CAN MORE AREAS BE FENCED OFF FOR PROTECTION OF THE PUBLIC? TO GIVE Y'ALL TIME TO FINALIZE YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH T H C, MAKE PRESENTATIONS TO THIS COMMISSION ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE EVENTUAL PLANS ARE, WHAT THE, UH, THE NEW PLANTING PLANS ARE, UM, AND BASICALLY PUT OFF, UH, IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF TREES. WELL, IT, IT'S NOT OUR DESIRE TO PUT OFF IM IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF TREES. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. UM, YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, THE DESIGNS, THE, FOR THE WALLS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LEEWAY THERE. UM, THE WALLS ARE, AS THE WALLS ARE, UH, WE'RE GONNA BUILD THEM AS THEY ARE, AS THEY WERE. UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A, UM, EXTRA DESIGN ELEMENTS, UH, IN THAT AREA. IT'S STRICTLY REBUILDING CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY FAILING. UM, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO BRING THAT FORTH TO YOU GUYS FOR, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND WE WILL DO THAT. UM, BUT AT THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, WE WANT AN ANSWER ON REMOVING THE TREES. IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT THE TREES BE REMOVED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. IF WE COME TO BACK TO YOU, UH, IN THE APRIL OR MAY TIMEFRAME WITH A FINAL PLAN THAT INCLUDES REMOVAL OF THE TREES, UH, THAT PUTS OFF OUR PROJECT FOR ALMOST A YEAR, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO. UM, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I KNOW THAT'S THE, UH, THE TYPICAL PROCESS AND, UH, I THINK WERE IT NOT FOR THE WALLS CONTINUING TO FAIL AND CRACK. UM, AND IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE BIRDS, UM, COMING IN TO ROOST AND NEST, UH, THAT WE WOULD BRING THAT TO YOU, WE WOULD HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE WITH PLANS, IT WOULD ALL BE IN ONE PACKAGE. THAT'S JUST NOT SIMPLY THE CASE RIGHT NOW. THE CASE RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE ON A CLOUD TIME CLOCK THAT THE TREES HAVE TO BE REMOVED. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN AVOIDANCE OF A CONTINUANCE, YOU KNOW, UH, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE, UH, GET AN ANSWER TO, UM, THE APPLICATION CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR REMOVING THE TREES ALONG THE RIVERBANK, UM, IN THIS, IN THE, UH, UH, IN THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA. SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, BEFORE WE GET BACK TO COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A ROLE OF BAZOOKA, AND I CLEARLY SEE WHERE THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT MUST BE REMOVED. ANYTHING THAT IS DAMAGING THE PUMP HOUSE OR THE RACEWAY PATHWAY, UH, OR THE ASAA, THOSE SHOULD CLEARLY BE REMOVED. BUT I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE SOME WAY, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS JUST WISHING, UH, THAT SOME VARIANCE CAN BE MADE FOR THE LAMBERT BEACH WALLS, THAT THERE BE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE HERITAGE TREES, A COUPLE OF THEM TO BE [05:35:01] SAVED BY MOVING THE WALL. AND I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S, IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE TO PRESERVATIONISTS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LIVING SOCIETY. THINGS CHANGE. UH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA TELL ME THAT, THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN CHANGES TO THE RIVERWALK OUT OF NECESSITY. UM, AND SO I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT THERE ARE SOME WAYS OF PRESERVING SOME OF THOSE TREES. I KNOW MANY OF 'EM HAVE TO GO, THEY'RE JUST BEYOND, BEYOND ANY KIND OF, UM, MITIGATION OR, UH, REPARATION OF THE WALLS. BUT I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OF THOSE TREES THAT CAN BE PRESERVED. I KNOW THIS IS A DIFFICULT, UH, DECISION ALL THE WAY AROUND, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S HARD WORK AND DEDICATION CITY STAFF, AND, UH, I KNOW THIS IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR. AND, UM, BUT THAT'S HOW I FEEL. THANK YOU. CHAIR THIS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. YES, SIR. SO, I DON'T WANNA BELABOR A POINT BECAUSE, UM, MY, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UM, HAVE SPOKEN SO ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THIS SITUATION. AND I, I, I JUST WANNA ADD TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE, WE ALL WANT TO TRY TO PRESERVE TREES AS, AS MAIN TREES AS POSSIBLE, AND NO ONE WANTS TO SEE TREES REMOVED. UM, HOWEVER, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IN AREAS AS, UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA JUST MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, THERE'S A NECESSITY IN SOME AREAS, BUT WE, WE ALWAYS FEEL AS THOUGH THERE IS NO OTHER OPTIONS UNTIL WE'RE PRESENTED WITH, UM, A, A TIME WHERE YOU HAD TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER OPTION. AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES, UM, I, I DO UNDERSTAND, LIKE I SAID, SOME TREES NEED TO BE REMOVED, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A WAY THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THE REMOVAL OF, OF SO MANY TREES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE AS MANY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BY, YOU KNOW, MOVING WALLS OR DOING SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HELP MAKE THIS SITUATION BETTER FOR, FOR ALL INVOLVED. EVERYBODY'S NOT GONNA BE COMPLETELY HAPPY, BUT I THINK THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER WAY WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. UM, IN YOUR PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE FOLLOW ON PORTION OF THE PROJECT, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED PLANNING FOR NOT, UH, NOT HAVING, UH, UH, TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THE WALL AND, AND ACTUALLY MAYBE EXTENDING THE WALL AND NARROWING THE CANAL? I KNOW IT'S A HISTORICAL PART OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, STRUCTURE THERE, BUT WAS THAT AN OPTION FOR YOU GUYS IN THE PLANNING PROCESS? AND DO YOU HAVE ANY DESIGNS THAT ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, HOW ABOUT EXTENDED IT? DID, DID YOU PLAN THAT AT ALL? UH, THE DESIGN TEAM DID LOOK AT THAT, UM, OPTION. UM, IT WAS AN OPTION PATH THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO GO DOWN BECAUSE OF THE, UM, IMPLICATIONS OF, UH, DOWNSTREAM ISSUES. UH, WHEN YOU'RE CHANGING, UH, THE FLOODPLAIN LIKE THAT, UH, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF IMPLICATIONS, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS. UM, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL IMPACTS. I DON'T RECALL HOW LONG, HOW FAR IT IS DOWNSTREAM. UM, MAYBE SOMEBODY HAS THAT SPECIFIC AMOUNT. UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, THE REST OF THE PARK DOWNSTREAM, WE HAVE THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD DOWNSTREAM. WE HAVE, UH, DOWNTOWN DOWNSTREAM, WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, GOLF COURSE DOWNSTREAM. AND ANYTHING THAT WE DO TO CHANGE THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN IN OUR PARTICULAR PROJECT AREA, UH, IS GONNA HAVE SEVERE IMPACTS TO EVERYBODY DOWNSTREAM. UM, AND, AND THAT'S JUST NOT A, UH, AN OPTION THAT WE FELT WAS A VIABLE ONE. UH, I WILL SAY FOR, FOR THE RECORD, I THOUGHT I HAD SAID IT EARLIER, UM, I KNOW COMMISSIONER MAZUA HAD MENTIONED, UM, PERHAPS, UH, MITIGATING, UH, SAVING ONE OR TWO TREES. WE, WE ARE SAVING, UH, PRESERVING EIGHT HERITAGE TREES IN THIS SAME EXACT AREA. WE ARE ONLY REMOVING SEVEN. SO WE'RE, WE'RE PRESERVING MORE TREES THAN WE'RE REMOVING HERITAGE TREES. WE DO HAVE A MITIGATION PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, UH, AND WENT THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WAS APPROVED. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF MITIGATION [05:40:01] HAS TO BE DONE BY US. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA SKIRT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA FORGET ABOUT. UM, YOU KNOW, MITIGATION PER THE U D C CODE. WE ARE FOLLOWING THAT. WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THAT WITH OUR PROJECT. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR THESE, THESE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT MITIGATING AND YOU'RE REMOVING SO MANY TREES. WE'RE PRESERVING SO MANY MORE TREES THAN WE COULD HAVE PROPOSED. UM, THERE'S A LOT MORE TREES WE COULD HAVE PROPOSED TO REMOVE. THERE ARE TWO HERITAGE TREES IN LAMBERT BEACH THAT ARE WITHIN LESS THAN EIGHT FEET OF THE WALL. UM, THOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SLATED TO BE REMOVED JUST AS A, AS PRINCIPLE OF, OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. UM, AND WE TALKED LONG AND HARD ABOUT IT WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM AND SAID, LOOK, ARE, ARE THERE ANY OF THESE TREES THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY SAVE? SO THE TWO FURTHEST ONES, AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT WITH THE HEAVY CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING AROUND THEM, BUT, UH, THE TWO, UH, FURTHEST ONES, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PRESERVE ALL OF THE HERITAGE TREES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, OF THE RIVER, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER. WE'RE PRESERVING THOSE. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, REMOVING ANY OF THOSE HERITAGE TREES. THEY'RE GONNA STAY THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WILL BE SOME CHANGE IN CHARACTER, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A COMPLETE CHANGE IN CHARACTER OF THIS AREA. SO WE'VE DONE OUR BEST. WE, WE BELIEVE WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND GONE THROUGH THIS DESIGN PROCESS FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, TALKED WITH THE T H C FOR OVER 18 MONTHS, UM, TALKED WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE REMOVAL OF THE TREES. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, E EVERYTHING HAS COME DOWN TO, HAS BOILED DOWN TO THIS MOMENT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR US TO PROGRESS WITH OUR PROJECT IN A TIMELY MANNER. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ASK THAT YOU, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE THIS, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THOSE TREES SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN OUR PROJECT. THANK YOU. UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, DO WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER WHO WOULD ATTEMPT A MOTION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I, UM, I WANNA ASK, UM, WE'VE NEVER HAD A SPECIAL MEETING THAT I KNOW OF, AND I KNOW IT'S AN OPTION THAT WE HAVE, UM, TO PROPOSE THAT MAYBE WE WOULD MEET NEXT WEEK. UM, THERE'S SOME KIND OF BRUTAL TRUTHS, RIGHT? THAT WE'D KNOW. LET'S JUST USE THE ARCH, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE, IN THE PUMPHOUSE, THERE'S A TREE THAT'S GROWING OUT OF THE KEYSTONE, RIGHT? AND REMOVING THAT TREE IS GONNA HURT SOMEBODY, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA HURT, LEAVING IT THERE IS GONNA HURT SOMEBODY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IN THEIR MIND AND IN THEIR HEART. SO PERHAPS THERE'S AN OPTION FROM HERE TILL NEXT WEEK THAT CAN PROPOSE A REDUCTION. AND ALSO LOOK AT THE, AT THE, AT THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE AREA THAT IS LAMBERT BEACH HAS BEEN POORLY, THAT THE CRITERIA HAS BEEN AHEAD OF ITSELF IN, IN NOT HAVING A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT CULTURE IS BEING PRESERVED HERE. AND, AND JUST TO THE MENTION OF EVERETT FLY'S NAME, I HAVE DEEP RESPECT FOR EVERETT FLY. AND, AND, AND THERE ARE FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE CREDIBILITY THAT EVERETT HAS, AND I HOLD 'EM IN HIGH REGARD. BUT I LOOK AT THE PLAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN WITH THE YELLOW DOTS. I DON'T KNOW, COREY, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT UP, THE PLAN WITH THE, THE LAMBERT BEACH WITH THE YELLOW DOTS. AND THERE'S THE BATHHOUSE THAT I DOUBT EVER SERVED ANY MINORITY POPULATIONS AND WONDER WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES OF THIS ENVIRONMENT IF WE'RE WILLING TO SAY THAT SOME CULTURAL HERITAGE IS, IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF ROBERT E. LEE, RIGHT? THAT SOME THINGS MAYBE WERE LEFT, WERE ABANDONED, AND THAT THEY WERE MEANT TO BE ABANDONED AND TO NEVER RETURN, WHICH MIGHT GIVE THE, THE WATERWAY, UM, A DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITY. AND YOU CAN WASH ALL THAT BAD HISTORY DOWN THE, DOWN THE RIVER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PAGE, IT, IT'S COMPELLING. IT'S A VERY HARD [05:45:01] THING TO SAY THAT THIS IS ACCEPTABLE, PARTICULARLY WHEN FIVE CASES BEFORE, OR MAYBE EIGHT CASES BEFORE, WE DIDN'T LET A GUY TAKE OUT FOUR PALM TREES AND ONE OAK FROM THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AT THE RIVER WALK. AND, YOU KNOW, I, IT, IT'S HARD. I MEAN IT, UM, RESPECTFUL OF THE HARD WORK THAT Y'ALL DO. AND I KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT Y'ALL'S HEART IS IN THIS. UM, BUT BEING, BEING VERY, VERY DIRECT AND JUST THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE SHARED, THE TREES ARE BEING LOPPED OFF BECAUSE OF THE TIMING, OTHERWISE WE WOULD DIG DOWN AND PULL 'EM OUT, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE THESE TIMING ISSUES THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, VERY IMPORTANT TO Y'ALL, BUT THEY'RE INDICATIONS OF SOMETHING THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT. AND WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? THAT, THAT YOU'ALL BRACE YOURSELVES. BECAUSE IF THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS, RIGHT? IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA MAKE IT WORK, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I, I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT ROAD THAT, THAT WE TURN AROUND AND COME BACK AND ANY OPTION, ANY OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THAT ROAD MEANS YOU DON'T WANT US TO TURN AROUND AND YOU WANT US TO GO RIGHT OFF ON HILDEBRAND, RIGHT? I MIGHT BE RIGHT, I MIGHT BE WRONG. BUT, BUT THE POINT BEING THAT PERHAPS THERE'S A FEW SOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT MAKE IT PALATABLE TO THE COMMUNITY, PALATABLE TO Y'ALL, AND MAKES SENSE TO US. AND THE THING THAT MAKES MOST SENSE TO US, I'LL TELL YOU THE SAME THING THAT THIS COMMISSION SENT THAT OTHER APPLICANT OFF WITH, IS WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN AND WE WOULD HARDLY EVER APPROVE ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T SHOW US WHAT IS, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. ALL WE SEE IS THAT THE TREES ARE GONE, AND THEN LATER WE'LL COME BACK. IT'S, IT'S NOT NORMAL. IT WOULD SET A BAD PRECEDENT, NOT FOR Y'ALL, BUT I THINK IT WOULD SET A BAD PRECEDENT FOR US. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON TV, RIGHT? OUR MOMS ARE WATCHING . SO MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING. MAYBE THE MOTION, MR. CHAIR IS NOT IN ACTION ON THIS ITEM, BUT A SPECIAL MEETING FOR NEXT TUESDAY OR NEXT WEDNESDAY. AND, AND WE GIVE THE CITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO, I MEAN, THEY, YOU'D COME BACK TO THE SAME SITUATION. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU'D PROBABLY GET THE SAME SITUATION YOU HAVE TODAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT MAYBE NOT. MAYBE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CONSIDER WHAT LEEWAY, THE PRESERVATION OF A, A WHITES ONLY SWIMMING POOL GIVES YOU TO, TO LOOK AT, UM, WHETHER MORE OF THIS BELONGS WITH A NATURAL FLOW OF WHERE IT'S GONE, AS OPPOSED TO WITH A MANMADE FLOW OF WHERE IT'S GONE. SO A NATURAL FLOW MEANS THOSE TREES FALL. THAT MEANS THE TREES GO RIGHT. THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE STAYING IS BECAUSE THE WALL IS PROTECTING THEM. SO YOU TAKE THOSE DOWN, YOU DON'T HAVE TREES THERE BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN EROSION ISSUE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SLOPE. A NATURAL STREAM HAS A SLOPE, RIGHT? AND THEN IF IT GETS, DOES GET VERTICAL, WHAT IS IT DOING? IT'S A ERODING IT AND IT'S MOVING IT. AND WE HAVE THAT FURTHER DOWN, AND I COULD SHOW YOU THAT. SO IF THOSE WALLS AREN'T THERE, THOSE TREES AREN'T THERE. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO THEN THE OTHER STRUCTURES GO AND OTHER THINGS GO, AND THEN WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE? I MEAN, IT, IT, IT CONTINUES. BUT WHAT YOU SAY THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MORE TRUE ABOUT THE NORTH BANK, BUT NOT AS TRUE ABOUT THE SOUTH BANK OR EAST WEST, WHICHEVER ONE YOU, YOUR VELOCITIES ARE GONNA BE IN YOUR OUTER, OUTER BEND OF THE, OF THE RIVER. BUT THE WATER COMES ABOVE THE BANK'S OF THE RIVER ANYHOW, DURING A FLOOD EVENT, RIGHT? WE ONLY HAVE ONE PROTECTED AREA FLOW THAT COMES IN. SO THE, THE FLOW FROM THE DAM IS CONTROLLED TO A DEGREE, RIGHT? IT IMPOUNDS WATER BEHIND IT AND THEN IS RELEASED, UM, AT A RATE, UM, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF THE EVENT OR THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND ALL THAT GOES THROUGH. SO IT, SOMETIMES IT CAN BE CONTROLLED AND OTHER TIMES IT CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S BUILDING TOO, TOO MUCH BEHIND IT THAT COULD CAUSE IT TO FAIL, RIGHT? SO THAT HAS TO BE IMPLICATED. SO THOUGH THEY'D RATHER HAVE FLOODING HAPPEN DOWNSTREAM. NOW WE ALSO HAVE WATER COMING FROM THE EAST, FROM PATTERSON, FROM AUSTIN HIGHWAY THAT COMES DOWN. AND THAT WATER IS NOT CONTROLLED AT ALL. THAT WATER JUST COMES DOWN AS IT IS. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL WITH THOSE SITUATIONS, UH, THAT GO THROUGH. SO THIS SECTION OF THE RIVER THAT DOES HAVE THE WALLS, WHICH IS ALSO W P A, RIGHT? UM, FROM UP THERE BY THE WITTY, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LOW WATER CROSSING IS THAT HISTORIC AREA OF THE WALLED [05:50:01] PART OF THE RIVER FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK, RIGHT? SO THEN NORTH OF THAT, IT IS NATURAL SOUTH OF THAT, IT IS NATURAL UNTIL IT GETS TO THE RIVERWALK, RIGHT? SO WE DO HAVE THOSE SECTIONS. WE DO HAVE THOSE AREAS, AND THERE ARE SEC THERE ARE GREAT EXAMPLES OF WHERE THE TREES ARE AND WHERE THEY'RE, AND, AND WHERE THEY'RE HELPING IN DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE, UM, IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT BANKS, THOSE BANKS, AND KEEP THOSE THINGS WORKING. SO WE DO HAVE THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. I MEAN, RIGHT? THIS IS THE URBAN AREA. THIS IS WHERE THE WALLS ARE. SO WE HAVE HIGHER BANKS, WE HAVE DIFFERENT ISSUES. SO TO TAKE IT BACK TO NATURAL MEANS IT IMPACTS A LOT FURTHER BACK. SO, UM, I WISH RIVER AUTHORITY WAS HERE TO HELP, HELP US, HELP US WITH THAT. BUT THAT'S EVEN THE COMMENTS THEY'RE MAKING WITH THE NATURAL AREAS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE FLOW AND, AND BE ABLE TO PROTECT THE BANKS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WATER DEALS WITH. UM, AND TREES CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. UH, THEY DO HELP, UH, FOR SURE. UH, BUT THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T COMPLETELY TACKLE THE ISSUE. SO, UM, WE HAVE, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T, WE'RE GONNA SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME, RIGHT? WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN. WE'VE MET, WE'VE MET WITH MANY OF THESE PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WE HAVE GIVEN THEM COMMENTS, WE HAVE GIVEN THEM THE INFORMATION, AND WE, UM, WE KNOW WE'RE JUST TELLING THE TRUTH. THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS, THIS IS WHAT WE FIGURED, THIS IS WHAT WE WORKED THROUGH. UM, AND TO BE ABLE TO SAY THESE AND TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UNDERSTAND OTHER, OTHER THOUGHTS AND OTHER WAYS TO GO THROUGH THIS, MEAN ADDITIONAL PERMITS, ADDITIONAL CON UH, ADDITIONAL THINGS AND ADDITIONAL DOLLARS. SO, UM, MITIGATION FOR THE HILDEBRAND DRAINAGE PROJECT ON TOP OF EVERYTHING WE WERE DOING WAS A MILLION DOLLARS ON TOP OF, BECAUSE OF IMPACTING HISTORIC AND CULTURAL STRUCTURES AND FEATURES. SO THERE IS IMPACT FOR DOING DAMAGE TO THINGS, UM, THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO. ESPECIALLY THESE WALLS ARE IN THE REGISTRY. THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING FEATURES. SO, UM, I I WOULD LIKE IF YOU GUYS COULD CLARIFY, UM, WHAT, UH, ACTION THEY'RE TAKING TODAY AND WE WOULD, UH, REQUEST AN ACTION TAKEN. PLEASE. I MEAN, I CAN MAKE A, A MOTION MR. CHAIR, IF YOU THINK JUST, I'M SORRY, REAL QUICK. I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, UH, IN RESPONSE TO, UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S REQUEST FOR A SEPARATE MEETING, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO PRESENT. SO, UH, AGAIN, LIKE, UH, MR. PINNELL SAID, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE AN ACTION ON THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TODAY. THANK YOU. SO, JUST TO QUICKLY ANSWER THE QUESTION, THE REQUEST LANGUAGE IS ON THE SCREEN. IT'S REMOVAL OF HERITAGE OF SIGNIFICANT TREES AT THE TOP OF THE BANK AND ALONG THE RIVER. THIS IS REQUIRED BY U D C SECTION 35 6 80. UM, THIS INCLUDES THE THREE HERITAGE LIVE OAKS, TWO HERITAGE PECANS, ONE HERITAGE BALD CYPRUS, AND ONE HERITAGE, UH, SIZE CREPE MYRTLE. YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. THE, THE ONLY THING IN GOOD CONSCIENCE THAT I CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR IS TO, THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED, IS TO REMOVE TREES THAT ARE ROOT COMPROMISED, DEAD DINE OR DISEASED. UM, AND, UH, UH, HAVE A LIEN THAT PRESENT A DANGER TO THE SUR IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREA OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, THE TREES THAT ARE KIND OF EXPOSED AND, AND POTENTIALLY COULD FALL WITH THE, WITH THE HEAVY WIND OR RAIN. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE TREES ARE NAMED IN THIS, BUT IN GOOD, THAT'S THE ONLY MOTION THAT I THINK I CAN, I CAN PROVIDE AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIR, WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THOSE CATEGORIES OF TREES. UM, I, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONSTITUTES ROOT COMPROMISED? WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, YEAH, ASK SOMEBODY WITH EXPERTISE, UM, CITY ARBORIST, UH, CITY URBAN FORESTER, SOMEONE LIKE THAT, UH, TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. SO, UH, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST AS, AS NAMING THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO, I GUESS, HAVE SOME SORT OF OFFICIAL DESIGNATION FOR THOSE AND STAFF. IS THAT AVAILABLE TO THIS, TO THE, TO THE COMMITTEE AND TO THE PROJECT MANAGER? WE'RE GONNA LET THE PERSON WHO REVIEWS THE TREES ANSWER THAT. I THINK. WOULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT [05:55:01] THE QUESTION? OKAY. SO THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN REALLY SEE AS A MOTION RIGHT NOW IS TREES THAT ARE DEAD DYING OR DISEASED ROOT COMPROMISED TO THE POINT THAT THEY'RE FALLING OVER AND THEY HAVE A LEAN MORE THAN 20% AND THEIR POTENTIAL HAZARD TO FALL DOWN WITH THE HEAVY WIND OR SEVERE WEATHER, WHICH, WHICH ENCOMPASSES SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE TREES THAT ARE IN, IN THE PHOTO AND IN, IN THE DIAGRAM YOU HAVE THERE. NOT ALL OF THEM. UH, THAT'S THE ONLY THING IN GOOD CONSCIENCE THAT I THINK I CAN, I CAN SUPPORT. UM, AND AGAIN, ROOT COMPROMISED, I MEAN, HOW MUCH STRENGTH OF THE TREE IS IN ITS ROOTS FOR, FOR, FOR THE TREE TO BE ABLE TO STAND? IT HAS TO HAVE A, A STRUCTURALLY SOUND ROOT SYSTEM. YES. AND, UM, , BASED ON OUR OBSERVATIONS OF THOSE TREES, DEFINITELY THE LEANING TREES, TREES WITHOUT A FULLY DEVELOPED ROOT SYSTEM, TREES WHERE WALLS HAVE FAILED ALREADY WOULD BE COMPROMISED. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN PUT, PUT, PUT FORTH IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, UH, MR. CHAIR. OTHER THAN THAT, I, I, I CAN'T. SO WITH THAT LIST, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ADVISE, UH, PARKS ON WHICH TREES COULD BE REMOVED BASED ON THE DESCRIPTION? UM, YES. I, I, I WOULD DO THAT IN, IN, UH, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, THE, ALSO THE, UH, UH, CITY FORESTER AND, UH, FORMER CITY FORESTER ON THAT. WELL, AND THANK YOU, RACHEL, IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO DOWN TO THE CITATIONS AND PUT SECTION SIX 80 UP ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE CODE WANTS US, IS DIRECTING US TO DO, LIKE WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY ARBORISTS AND THE CITY FORESTER TO TAKE ACTION ON TREES THAT ARE IN DECLINE AND POTENTIALLY A SAFETY ISSUE. YEAH. BUT I WANNA CLARIFY SOME OF THEM THAT ARE STILL STRANDING STRAIGHT UP AND HAVE ROOTS THAT MAY BE ON THE PLAN FOR, FOR CHOPPING DOWN. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M PROPOSING. I'M JUST PROPOSING THE ONES THAT ARE LEANING DOWN, PRESENTING ON A HAZARD THAT THE ROOTS ARE GETTING WASHED OUT THE WALL IS NOT HOLDING IT ANYMORE. AND IT, IT'S A, IT'S A SAFETY RISK IS WHAT I'M, I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. NOT NECESSARILY A DESIGN PORTION. I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A SAFETY ASPECT. I, I UNDERSTOOD. BUT THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE EVEN STANDING UPRIGHT THAT ARE IN COMPROMISED POSITIONS BECAUSE OF FAILED WALLS AND EROSION THAT'S TAKING PLACE. YES. OKAY. IS THAT A CLEAR ENOUGH MOTION? I MEAN, I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS YES, I THINK WHAT THE CLARITY IS NEEDED IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS POTENTIALLY ALL THE TREES THAT YOU, THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT ON THE, IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAW ON SOME OF THE PICTURES IN SOME OF THE PRESENTATION. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK, I MEAN, IF, AND I GUESS THIS IS WHERE WE WERE PROBABLY LOOKING AT MORE TIME, BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, AS WE GET SMARTER ON THIS, WE CAN ACTUALLY GO POINT TO WHICH ONES. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE IT ARBITRARY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE ONES THAT ARE ON PICTURE, IF YOU SHOW THE PICTURES OF, UH, THE WALL THAT'S BEING HELD UP THERE, UH, OKAY. UH, AND I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? UH, SO YOU GO BACK, UH, START WITH THE FIRST ONE. START WITH THE FIRST ONE AND GO DOWN. LOOK, NUMBER 11, LOOK AT NUMBER 11. OBVIOUSLY THAT ONE'S COMPROMISED. THAT ONE'S LEANING OVER. ALRIGHT, THAT ONE'S A POTENTIAL HAZARD. NUMBER 12, LOOK AT NUMBER 12. THAT'S A POTENTIAL HAZARD. GO TO THE NEXT 13. UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT ONE IS LEANING ENOUGH OR IF THE ROOTS ARE EXPOSED. I'M NOT AN ARBORIST. OKAY, KEEP GOING DOWN. UM, RIGHT THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ROOT STRUCTURE IS ON THAT ONE. THE LEAN, IS IT OVER 15%? YOU KNOW, UM, GO DOWN TO 17 OR, OKAY, THOSE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT THERE. THOSE ARE IN THE WALL. ALRIGHT? THEY'RE ALREADY CRACKING THE WALL. THE ROOT BULB, IF YOU HOLD THAT RIGHT THERE ON THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ARBORIST, ALRIGHT? BUT THE, THE ROOT BALL OF THAT TREE SHOULD BE WHAT? DOUBLE OF WHAT IT IS ON THE OUTSIDE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WE LEARNED THAT IN, IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, RIGHT? THE ROOT BALL. SO THAT TREE IS NOT, I DON'T SEE THAT TREE AS VIABLE, BUT I WOULD'VE DEFERRED TO THE ARBORIST, THE ONE THAT'S NEXT TO IT. I DON'T SEE THAT AS VIABLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOT BALL HOLDING THAT THING UP. AS, AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT IS, IT'S GONNA FALL. RIGHT? UM, SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF EXAMPLES. I I, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY A, AN OLD TREE, BUT THAT ONE RIGHT THERE DOESN'T HAVE THE ROOT STRUCTURE TO, IF, IF I'M WRONG, TELL ME I'M WRONG, I'M WRONG. WHO'S THE ARBORIST THAT TOLD ME? WHO'S THE ARBORIST THAT'S TELLING ME I'M WRONG. ARE YOU AN ARBORIST MAN? I HAVE TALKED WITH DOUG AMI, WHO DOES A VIDEO ON THE NATURE OF OATH. SORRY, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS MEETING IS OVER. OKAY. POINT BEING, YEAH. THE POINT I ASKED THE QUESTION, IT'S OKAY. I ASKED THE QUESTION. THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS, I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REALITY [06:00:01] OF IT IS THAT TREE IS LEANING, THAT TREE IS NOT SAFE. EVENTUALLY YOU GET A TALL WIND. I MEAN, THERE'S TREES THAT ARE STRAIGHT THAT'LL FALL IN WHEN WE GET A A, A WIND IN THE SPRING. SO AN EXAMPLE I WOULD GIVE IS THOSE THREE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NOW. THE ONES BEHIND IT I CAN'T REALLY SEE, BUT NO. ALRIGHT. UM, GO DOWN TO 23. WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION YEAH. WITH THE DESCRIPTION. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? I MEAN, WE HAVE A MOTION WITH THE DESCRIPTION THAT WE'RE DEFERRING TO THE ARBORIST. IT IS APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT APPROVAL OR THAT REMOVAL ONLY OCCUR AFTER THE CITY ARBORIST AND CITY OF FORESTER HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE TREE IS NOT VIABLE. SAFE, UNSAFE, SAFE. BECAUSE IT MAY BE THERE'S NO ROOF. I MEAN, YEAH, YOU CAN, IT'LL PROBABLY LAST A YEAR OR TWO YEAR, MIKE, IF THERE'S NO, IT'S NOT SAFE. I CAN SEE THAT TREE LASTING A YEAR OR TWO IF THERE'S NO WIND. RIGHT? BUT, YOU KNOW, 200 YEARS. BUT YOU, BUT YOU GET THE WIND. YEAH, BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT, THAT WALL WASN'T THAT BIG WITH THAT WALL. THAT WALL WAS NOT DESIGNED TO HOLD A TREE. A 200 YEAR OLD TREE. IT WAS DESIGNED TO HOLD A TREE THAT'S MAYBE, YOU KNOW, 50, 60 FEET RIGHT BACK IN TWO. RIGHT. IN 20, UH, UH, AT THE FIRST HALF OF THE TWENTIES. RIGHT. SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, IS WE, WE USE THE SCIENTIFIC APPROACH TO TRY TO SEE WHAT, WHAT HA WHAT IS NOT SAFE AND WHAT IS SAFE. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING MYSELF CLEAR. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? IF WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A NEW MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, IN, IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION THAT MORE DETAIL AND DEVELOPED PLANS WILL BE COMING IN APRIL OR MAY I MOVE TO CONTINUE? WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE NEED A DATE. CERTAIN CHAIR. WE NEED A DATE. CERTAIN, YES. NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING. 60 DAYS. THAT'S MARCH. YES. NO, NEXT MONTH'S MARCH. SHOULD I MOVE TO CONTINUE FOR 60 DAYS? WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. YEAH. DAVID MCCARRY, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, CONTINUANCE FOR 60 DAYS IS UNACCEPTABLE. THAT JUST WILL NOT WORK. IT CAN'T WORK. THERE IS TOO MANY FACTORS THAT ACTUALLY BRING FORTH SAFETY RELATED ISSUES. Y'ALL, THIS, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. I'D RATHER HAVE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT TO DELAY 60 DAYS, OH MY GOD, I, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT. I'M ONLY REACTING, I'M ONLY REACTING TO THE CITY STAFF SAYING THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR US OR DETAIL ON THE PLANS UNTIL MARCH OR APRIL. CONTINUANCE IS UNACCEPTABLE. WELL, UH, I I MEAN, WE CAN SEE HOW THIS VOTE GOES. UH, IF YOU GET, UH, A DENIAL OR IF THIS MOTION FAILS AND YOU GET A DENIAL OR APPROVAL, I ASSUME EITHER OF THOSE TWO ACTIONS CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS OR THE CITY MANAGER. I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT PATH THERE IS WITH A CONTINUANCE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST, I'D LIKE TO, TO SAY THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER FISH'S MOTION IS, UH, IT'S PRUDENT. THE, UM, I I I I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING ON TOP OF THE TABLE, RIGHT? THE BIRDS COME TO NEST BEFORE THE 60 DAYS IS OVER, AND THAT MAKES THE PROJECT DELAYED A YEAR. THAT'S THE THING THAT'S ON THE TABLE, RIGHT? THE THING THAT AFFECTS THAT IS TIME IS MONEY. OUR MONEY, IT'S OUR MONEY, OKAY? IT'S YOUR MONEY. IT'S, IT'S EVERYBODY'S MONEY, RIGHT? EVERYBODY'S MONEY, EVERYBODY'S TAX MONEY. UM, AND RESPECTFUL OF ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. I MEAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT SOMETHING. I THINK THAT WHAT COMMISSIONER FISH OR I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER FISH, BUT I, I, I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN THE PRACTICE OF THE H D R C, JUST LIKE THE CASE WITH THE THREE PALM TREES TO, TO BRING WITH, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THAT, [06:05:02] UM, THREE D ANIMATION THAT WAS ON THE SCREEN OF WHAT WAS TO BE DONE, BUT THAT'S EVEN MORE THAN WE'VE SEEN ABOUT WHAT IS PROPOSED. AND IT'S VERY, UM, IT, IT SHOULD BE CONCERNING, RIGHT? THAT, THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN EVEN A PROPOSAL. AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANNA, UM, KIND OF REFLECT ON THAT. THIS MOTION IS TO ME, REALLY BASED ON, UM, UH, I'VE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT HAVING MADE A MOTION THAT, UM, THAT Y'ALL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WEAK, A WEAK TO COME BACK AND, AND MAKE GOOD ON WHATEVER IT IS THAT, THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN A VISUAL FOR EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO SEE, EVEN IN ITS MOST SCHEMATIC FORM, RIGHT? IT'S NOT JUST A REMOVAL OF THE TREES, BUT IT'S IN CONCERT WITH SOME PROPOSED END RESULT. RIGHT? AND, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT I'M CLEAR, I, I, I DON'T SUPPORT THE RESTORATION OF A SEGREGATION AERO SWIMMING POOL, BUT I MEAN, I, I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD AND I'M NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT OPINION EITHER. IT'S JUST ME, RIGHT? BUT, BUT WITH A PROJECT THAT'S SO IMPORTANT, I CAN'T SEE WHY YOU WOULDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A WEEK TO, TO SATISFY THE NEEDS OF THE H D R C AND VERY POSSIBLY TO RECONSIDER SOME THINGS THAT YOU'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR. NOT JUST FROM THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE, BUT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE, RIGHT. ALL OVER THE CITY. UM, BUT, UH, MR. CHAIR, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT I'M VERY CLEAR BECAUSE I, I, I THINK THAT THERE'S EXTRA PRESSURE AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO THAT EXTRA PRESSURE THAT IT'S DUE DILIGENCE AND DUE DILIGENCE HAS A PRICE. AND, UM, WE HOPE THAT THERE'S NO NEGATIVE OUTCOMES AS A RESULT OF THAT EXTRA PRESSURE. YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IT'S ALL, UH, IN, IN THE, IN THE SPIRIT OF, OF, UH, OF BEING RESPONSIBLE, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS REAL. IT'S A REAL, IT'S, IT'S VERY, I CAN SEE THIS VERY IMPORTANT TO Y'ALL AND, AND MY, MY PROFESSIONAL HEART GOES OUT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS GENTLEMEN AND THE PARKS GENTLEMEN, BECAUSE IT, IT WOULD SEEM THAT WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING, NOBODY BELIEVES, OR THAT Y'ALL DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY HERE IS NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PROJECT TO BRING US ALL TOGETHER. I AM SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT SOME TREES HAVE GOTTA GO. AND I'M SURE Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT PERHAPS SOME TREES GOTTA STAY WITHIN THE CONTEXT AND NOT OF WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IS GONNA STAY, BUT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IS THAT YOU SAY'S, GOTTA GO. BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM THAT I SEE, MR. CHAIR, THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM IS THAT A PROPOSAL COMES BEFORE US, THAT HAS THAT MANY TREES IN A PARK THAT EVERYBODY GOES TO FOR RIGHT OR FOR WRONG. IT'S A KICK IN THE BELLY, MAN. AND YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME, SOME, UH, UH, SOME SYMPATHY FOR PEOPLE THAT WANNA SEE, WELL, WHY ARE YOU DOING IT? WELL, SHOW US WHY YOU'RE DOING IT. I, AS A PROFESSIONAL IN THE DESIGN INDUSTRY, BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN, UM, SHOW US THAT IN, IN A WEEK. YOU CAN PULL THAT RABBIT OUT OF A HAT. AND, AND IF YOU DO, I WOULD ASK COMMISSIONER FISH TO RESCIND HIS MOTION AND ALLOW US TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A SPECIAL MEETING NEXT WEEK. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT, JUST COME WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT. BUT LET'S SEE IF YOU DO. AND LET'S SEE HOW MUCH TOLERANCE THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY. UH, WE'LL GIVE A LITTLE TOO SO THAT WE CAN ALL WIN AND, AND SPEND THAT BOND MONEY AND, AND HAVE A WONDERFUL PROJECT THAT WE CAN ALL GO TO. AND, AND I, I WOULD PROBABLY, UM, DEFER, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BASTION TO A SEGREGATED SAN ANTONIO SWIMMING POOL. OKAY? WILL THE MEETING BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? WELL, I WOULD IMAGINE A SPECIAL MEETING HAS TO FOLLOW THE SAME FORMAT. BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IT'S, THERE'S STILL A MOTION ON THE TABLE. YES. COMMISSIONER FISH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THE SIX, THE 60 DAYS WAS A REACTION FROM THE APPLICANT DESCRIBING HOW, WHEN THE TIMEFRAME TO DELIVER DOCUMENTS. IF, IF THE APPLICANT HAS A SOONER EXPECTATIONS TO BE ABLE TO SHARE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE PROJECT WITH HER, WITH US, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER, UH, AMENDING THAT MOTION. UH, TO SPEED [06:10:01] THINGS, TO SPEED THINGS UP. BUT KICKING, KICKING THIS SAME EXERCISE WITH NO NEW INFORMATION TO THE NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED HEARING IS PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO IF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANT TO DO AND JUST REDOING THE SAME THING OVER AGAIN. UM, DOES CITY STAFF THINKS THAT THEY COULD RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HEARD HERE TODAY, UH, BY THE NEXT REGULAR H C R C HEARING? WHEN YOU SAY RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS, WHICH CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? FROM THE, FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO, TO RECEIVE SUPPORT FOR A MOTION OF APPROVAL. AND YOU'VE HEARD CONCERNS FROM MOST OF THE COMMISSION. WELL, UH, I'LL SAY THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE ACTION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR YOU IS FOR REMOVAL OF THE TREES ONLY. UM, WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO, UH, BRING FORTH THE PLANS FOR, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION WORK AT, UH, THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA. SO FOR, YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TO BRING FORWARD PLANS FOR THE RESTORATION RECONSTRUCTION AND STABILIZATION OF THE WALLS TO THE LEV TO THE LEVEL THAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY BRING THEM TO THE H D R C? NO, NOT IN A WEEK. OKAY. I DIDN'T THINK SO. UM, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR, JUST, JUST TO, JUST TO PUT SOME FLEXIBILITY INTO THE SYSTEM. I'LL, I'LL REDUCE THE 60 DAYS TO 30 DAYS, WHICH WILL BE A MONTH. AND THE, THE GENERAL PUBLIC COULD EXPECT THAT, UM, THERE'S SOME REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO BECOME MORE INFORMED ABOUT THE SITUATION. AND IF IT TAKES LONGER THAN THAT, IT TAKES LONGER THAN THAT. UH, DOES THE SECOND SUPPORT THAT CHANGE COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE THE SUSAN WYNN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WHAT IS BEFORE YOU, THE APPLICATION IS SOLELY THE TOP OF THE BANK, THE RIVER BANK. IT IS NOT THE ENTIRE BRACKENRIDGE PARK PROJECT. THAT PROJECT IS NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD YET. THOSE PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN FINALIZED. IT IS IN PROCESS, BUT WHAT IS BEFORE THIS COMMISSION IS SOLELY THE TOP OF THE BANKS. THAT'S IT. AND IF YOU WANT MORE PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT THAT IS WHAT'S BEFORE THIS COMMISSION ONLY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I, I WILL SAY, I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE NEVER APPROVED ANYTHING ON PARTIAL PLANS OR WITHOUT A FINAL, AT LEAST A CONCEPTUAL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT WE'VE SEEN. I, I DON'T THINK, UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN SOMETHING, BUT I, I HAVEN'T. AND REGARDING TO MY SECOND AND AMENDING MY SECOND, IF UM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT NEW INFORMATION, THEN I CANNOT ENDORSE THE AMENDED SECOND , I WOULD LIKE TO RETRACT MY SECOND. SO CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO COMMISSIONER FISH'S CONCERN. YES, SIR. UH, IN MY MIND, THE FUTURE PLANS THAT THERE, THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE PRODUCING IS TO RESTORE THE WALLS AND THE STEPS AND THE OTHER HISTORIC STRUCTURES AT LAMBERT BEACH TO THEIR ORIGINAL CONDITION, . SO IN MY MIND, I CAN SEE THAT, UH, I DON'T NEED A PLAN IN FRONT OF ME TO KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. UM, AND, AND ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION IS GOING TO, UH, POSTPONE THE PROJECT, AS WAS MENTIONED FOR NEARLY A YEAR. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT, MR. CHAIR? ARE WE IN THE NEED OF A MOTION? WE'RE IN NEED OF A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, LIKE TO GO OUT ON THAT LIMB AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE PROJECT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UM, MR. CHAIR? I, I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND IT. AND, UM, ON THAT, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? ? [06:15:01] WHAT I SAW FROM WHERE? WHERE FROM YOUR HEART? NO. NO, BUT WHO SAID THAT? WHO SAID THAT? COM. COMMISSIONER SAVINO ON THE FLOOR. WHO SAID THAT? OH, SOMEBODY SOMETHING. MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. WE, YEAH. A VOTE. NO, NO. WAIT A MINUTE. I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT WHERE DID THAT COME FROM, MIKE? I THINK IT CAME FROM THE MIC. MIKE. ALL MIKE'S OFF. THE MIC IS OFF. YEAH, IT DIDN'T COME FROM HIM. IT CAME FROM ONE OF THE GHOSTS. IT CAME FROM SOMEWHERE, MAN. THAT'S, UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. ANY LAST DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. YEAH, I JUST HAVE A, WHO WAS HERE? THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER? MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO ARE YOU ABLE TO LEVERAGE THE OTHER PARTIES IN THIS, IN THIS PROJECT? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY THESE GENTLEMEN HERE THAT ARE REQUESTING TO GET, THERE'S OTHER ELEMENTS INVOLVED. THERE'S NO CONCEPT FOR THIS. THERE'S NO LINE DRAWINGS, THERE'S NO PROJECTION, THERE'S NO REAL TIMELINE THAT WE'VE SEEN OTHER THAN CHOP THE TREES DOWN. SO, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE SAID, BUT WE'RE TRYING, TRYING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HELP HERE. IF YOU COULD PUT SOME FIRE ON THE REST OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND GET THEM TO COME FORWARD WITH SOME CONCEPTS SO WE CAN HAVE MORE INFORMATION. I MEAN, WE ALL WANT TO BETTER THE PARK. ABSOLUTELY. BUT CHOPPING DOWN A TREE THAT OLD, I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, UH, WILL BE HAPPY TO COME BACK IN A WEEK. I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T SECOND, Y'ALL ACTUALLY HEARD STAFF SAY THAT THEY COULD LIVE WITH THAT, UH, IN SUPPORT. IT JUST WASN'T SECONDED, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DOABLE BASED ON CONDITIONS, WHICH IS EASY TO VERIFY ACCORDING TO OUR ARBORISTS. SO UNLESS YOU WERE CONSIDERING THAT AGAIN, I JUST, OTHER THAN THAT WILL BE ONE WEEK, WE WOULD TAKE AS WELL, IF THAT HELPS YOU. WELL, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL AND A SECOND, WHICH WE'LL NEED TO VOTE ON AND HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FISH. IS THAT, WAS THAT FISH? YES. SORRY, SORRY. UH, NAY GIBBS. NAYYY VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MOOKA NAY. CERVANTES. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NAYYY ON AN, UH, DENIAL, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. NAY. ZER. NAYYY LFO NAYYY SAV. NO. AYE. OKAY. MOTION FAILS. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION YES, SIR. THAT WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE, THE LATEST DATE OF NEXT WEEK, WHICH COULD BE FRIDAY, TO GIVE THE CITY THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF, OF TIME IN THE SHORTEST PERIOD TO BRING PROPOSED SCHEMATICS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT TELLS US WHY WE WOULD CUT THESE TREES DOWN. AND A, AND A MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT. IT'S, IT'S IT, YOU KNOW, BRING IT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. UM, WAS THAT SPECIFIC TO NEXT FRIDAY? NO SPECIAL MEETING. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. WE WERE TALKING, THERE'S, THERE'S LIMITATIONS TO WHEN IT CAN BE BASED ON AVAILABILITY OF THE ROOM AND ALL OF THAT, BUT JUST, RIGHT. UM, CORY, UM, LET ME, LET ME, UM, ENABLE STAFF TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF ON THE PARKS AND PUBLIC WORK SIDE, UH, TO SCHEDULE IT AS THEY AS BEST ACCOMMODATES THE APPLICANT FOR NEXT WEEK FOR A DATE IN THE, FOR A DATE NEXT WEEK. WE UNDERSTAND. READY FOR VOTE? DOES A SECOND AGREE? I AGREE. OKAY. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. GIBBS? NAYYY. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MOOKA AYE. CERVANTES? YES. LAO. NAY. SENO. [06:20:01] NAY. ZER AYE. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR STAYING WITH US AND THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.