* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:08] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 16TH, 2022. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH. HERE, SAVINA. HERE. VELAZQUEZ. HERE WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER, JEAN MORALES. HE'S ABSENT. MASUKA HERE. CARPENTER HERE. GROUP. GROUP IS SSON. SORRY. UH, CERVANTES HERE. ZER HERE. AND LAUNA IS ABSENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS TO INFORM YOU THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE NEEDING THESE SERVICES. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, UH, APPROACH THE INTERPRETER'S CABIN LOCATED WHERE THE RED CURTAINS ARE AT NEXT TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. MASKS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN PERSON. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PART PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW AND CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT SLANDEROUS, THREATENING, ABUSIVE, OR DISPARAGING COMMENTS. ALL THOSE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER. THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE, SHOUTING, VERBAL INTIMIDATION OR PHYSICAL ACTIONS THAT COULD REASONABLY CONSTRUED AS THREATENING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA SO WE'LL JUST GET STARTED. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, ACTUALLY BEFORE WE GET INTO UH, APPLICATIONS, UH, WE DO HAVE [Approval of Minutes] THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FOR MARCH 22ND. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FOR MARCH 2ND, 2022. SUBMITTED. I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH AYE. [00:05:01] SINA AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. MORALES IS ABSENT. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER AYE. GROOVE IS ABSENT. ANTE? YES, THAT SIR. AYE LI IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. OKAY, AND NOW I WILL TALK ABOUT THE CASE LIST. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT WERE POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. THAT'S ITEM 3 1 1 2. SOLEDAD HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND ITEM 24 3 26 EAST ROSEWOOD HAS ALSO BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, THOSE ITEMS WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, WE DO HAVE ONE CHANGE TO ITEMS ON CONSENT. AGENDA ITEM 11 3 11 EAST EVERGREEN WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. UM, FOR THE REMAINING WE DO HAVE VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR A FEW ITEMS AND WE'LL PLAY THOSE NOW. THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE REGARDING 2 69 NORTH DRIVE. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, MEMBER OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 OFFERING COMMENT ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND WE THANK THE HOMEOWNER FOR RETAINING ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CARRIAGE DOORS. WE REQUEST THAT THE NEW WINDOW ON THE FRONT ELEVATION BE A SINGLE WINDOW, WHICH WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE ON THIS FACADE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HELLO, MY NAME IS EUGENE DAVIS. I LIVE AT 2 75 NORTH DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO. I'M, UH, CALLING ABOUT, UH, ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 0 8 8. UH, THIS IS REGARDING, UM, LAND MCCLURE AT 2 69 NORTH DRIVE. UH, HE IS OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AND, UM, WE, UH, TOTALLY AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT HIS, UH, APPROACH TO, UH, USING EXISTING GARAGE DOOR MATERIALS, UM, FOR HIS, UH, BACK GARAGE. UM, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE YOU MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THOSE ARE COMMENTS FOR ITEM NUMBER 1 2 69 NORTH. NEXT WE'LL HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER 4 8 20 NOLAN. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE EZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DIG WITTY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 46 LOCATED AT EIGHT 20 NOLAN STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS IF THE OWNER DECIDES TO USE SALVAGE WINDOWS. WE HAVE PROVIDED THREE LOCATIONS IN SAN ANTONIO THAT HAVE WOOD WINDOWS HE CAN PROBABLY USE. ONE OF THEM IS LOCATED RIGHT DOWN THE STREET AT 4 0 3. DAWSON, PLEASE SEE OUR ATTACHED EMAILS FOR THE FOLLOWING ADDRESSES. THANK YOU. NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ADDRESS FREDERICKSBURG ROAD FROM MARY LOUISE TO WEST ROSEWOOD. MY NAME IS BIAN KA MALDONADO AND I CHAIR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE PO O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE APPRECIATE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ADDRESSING THE A D A MOBILITY ACCESS ON FREDERICKSBURG ROAD AND TO BRING THE SEGMENT OF THE BLOCK INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS. THIS SECTION OF FREDERICKSBURG ROAD WAS COMPLETELY RECONSTRUCTED WHEN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO EXECUTED RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS ON FREDERICKSBURG ROAD IN 2003. THE 2003 SCOPE INCLUDED ALL NEW CONCRETE BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE PROPERTY LINES, INCLUDING THE EXISTING RETAINING WALLS AND THE INSTALLATION OF STREET TREES. THEREFORE, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST H D R C TO RESTORE THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER DEFINING EARTH AND BURN LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE MONTICELLO PARK, HISTORIC DISTRICT AND FREDERICKSBURG ROAD BY SUPPORTING THE CITY'S APPLICATION WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IF A NEW CONCRETE BORDER IS NEEDED TO PREVENT SOIL EROSION ON THE PROPERTY LINE THAT IT NOT EXCEED THREE INCHES IN HEIGHT. THE INTRODUCTION OF THE NON HISTORIC RETAINING WALLS IN 2003 BY THE CITY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY CREATED OBSTRUCTIONS AND EXCESSIVE LOITERING. SEE GOOGLE EARTH THE 2000 BLOCK OF FREDERICKSBURG ROAD ALSO SS A P D HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC INTOXICATION, URINATION, DEFECATION, AND EVEN ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO DIED FROM THE BEHAVIOR OCCURRING ON THE RETAINING WALLS ON THIS BLOCK ONLY. OUR REQUEST IS IN KEEPING WITH THE PRECEDENT OF OTHER RIGHT OF WAY PROJECTS, THE CITY HAS EXECUTED ON MANY ADJACENT STREETS IN THE MONTICELLO PARKS HISTORIC DISTRICT FUR DRIVE, DONALDSON AVENUE CLUB DRIVE, BALL LAKE SAN ANTONIO ATCH MULBERRY MAGNOLIA MISSILE TOE. WE THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS. HAVE A GREAT DAY. NEXT IS A [00:10:01] VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER 12 19 38 WEST MISSILE TOE. THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, ADDRESS 1938 WEST MISSILE TOE. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS WHO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS BUT RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS TO BE ADDED. NUMBER ONE, THE ROOFING MATERIAL ON THE NEW GARAGE SHALL MATCH THE EXISTING ROOF MATERIAL ON THE MAIN HOME ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES. AND NUMBER TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT EVALUATE U D C SECTION 35 37 A NUMBER ONE, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE USE SHALL NOT BE LARGER THAN 25% OF THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE PRINCIPAL USE FOR THIS PROPERTY. WE THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS. THOSE CONCLUDE OUR VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE ALSO, UH, EMAILS OR WRITTEN LETTERS IN YOUR FOLDERS. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? YES. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. MR. CHAIRMAN, I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF REMINDING NUMBER TWO AND I'D LIKE TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ITEM FIVE, ITEM 12 AND ITEM 14. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D ALSO LIKE TO PULL ITEM 14. ITEM 14. ALL RIGHT, SO, UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A QUORUM IF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER STEPS OUT TO, WE CAN HANDLE THE BALANCE OF THE AGENDA. IS THAT CORRECT? DOES THAT THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IS RECUSING AND STEPPING OUT OF THE HEARING ROOM? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. CHAIR? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ITEMS NUMBER ONE THROUGH FOUR, SIX THROUGH 10, AND NUMBER 13. I BELIEVE I SECOND IT. JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS WOULD EXCLUDE ACTION FOR ITEM THREE, WHICH HAS BEEN POSTPONED. UH, YES. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS IS ABSENT. FISH AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. MORALE IS ABSENT. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER'S CUS GROUP IS ABSENT. BANES YES BET. AYE THE PHONE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 69 NORTH 1 0 4 NORTH ST. MARY'S EIGHT 20 NOLAN 2 0 6 EAST ELLWOOD FOUR 17 EAST LOCUST 1 0 5 PLAZA A ARMAS 2101 MCCULLOUGH 1800 SAN PEDRO AND 400 CLUB. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU. UH, SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ONE SECOND WHILE I GET THE APPLICANT. MIRANDA, ARE YOU THERE? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. OKAY, GREAT. UM, SO THIS PROJECT IS TO REMOVE THE TREE WELLS THAT ARE ALONG THAT STRETCH BETWEEN MARY LOUISE AND AN ALLEYWAY, AND IT WILL WIDEN THE STREET TO MAKE IT MORE A D A ACCESSIBLE. UM, THE PROJECT WILL NOT, UM, HAVE ANY EFFECT ON ANY HISTORIC OR CULTURAL RESOURCES AND ALSO ONLINE OR ON THE PHONE CALL. I SHOULD HAVE ERIC SALAZAR, WHO IS THE PROJECT MANAGER, AND EMILIO RODRIGUEZ, WHO IS THE ENGINEER OR ONE OF THE ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT. AND THEY CAN TALK ABOUT WHY CREATING A BERM, UM, AND REMOVING THE RETAINING WALL OR EVEN TRYING TO GET THE RETAINING WALL DOWN TO THREE INCHES IS NOT FEASIBLE. [00:15:01] SO IF COREY, IF YOU WANNA UNMUTE ERIC, UM, HE CAN ADDRESS THAT. ERIC, ARE YOU THERE? THANK YOU, MIRANDA. GO AHEAD. THE, UM, THERE, THERE IS A FENCE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS, UM, THIS RETAINING WALL. UH, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT A SAFETY SLOPE OF THREE TO ONE AND WHAT WE DO NOT WANT TO DO IS, UH, REDUCE THE COVER THAT'S ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE FENCE. AND SO, UM, THE CITY, UH, WOULD BE AT, UH, RISK IF WE START REMOVING, UM, AND THEN COVERING THOSE FOUNDATIONS AND THAT FENCE HAS A POTENTIAL TO BE, UM, UNDERMINED. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS? YEAH, I WANTED TO ASK, UH, MS. GARRISON AND, AND HER, HER TEAM THERE ABOUT, UH, THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU'VE HAD WITH, UH, ELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND, AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN THE AREA REGARDING THIS PROJECT? THIS IS MIRANDA. UM, WE DID A SITE VISIT WITH, UM, THE GROUP, UM, AND WALKED THROUGH IT AND LISTENED TO THEIR CONCERNS. UM, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE AND OUTSIDE OF OUR BUDGET. UM, SO IN ORDER TO DO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, IT WOULD REQUIRE, UM, MORE BUDGET, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE. UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SUPPORT TO RECEIVE THAT MONEY, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FEASIBLY ACCOMPLISH FOR THEM. IN LIGHT OF THE BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS, ARE THERE ANY FUTURE PROJECTS WITHIN THIS AREA THAT WOULD, UH, NEED TO BE FACTORED IN FOR THE WORK CURRENTLY PROPOSED? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY WITH THE NEXT BOND, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY, UM, THAT IF THEY KEEP IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEIR COUNCIL OFFICE THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO POSSIBLY WORK SOMETHING OUT IN THE FUTURE AND MAKE THIS ITS OWN PROJECT. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. YEAH, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE SINCE I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT IS A REAL, UM, PROBLEMATIC AREA RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE DECO BEE AND IT DOES TEND TO, UM, ATTRACT A LOT OF SORT OF VAGRANCY AND, AND NUISANCE BEHAVIOR. UM, I AM WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME WAY IN WHICH YOU GUYS CAN REENGAGE WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND, AND GO THROUGH THIS JUST ONE MORE TIME TO CLARIFY THEIR REQUESTS AND YOUR POSITIONS AND WHY THIS IS WHY THEIR, UH, REQUESTS CANNOT BE, UM, ACCOMMODATED. BECAUSE I'M HEARING A LOT OF DISGRUNTLEMENT AND, UH, FEEL PEOPLE FEELING LIKE THEY WERE NOT HEARD. UM, WE DID, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE THAT OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE COUNCIL OFFICE, AND OUR DEPARTMENT OR PUBLIC WORKS. AND THE, UH, WHAT WE'RE RECEIVING IS THAT THE COUNCIL OFFICE IS NOT READY TO APPROVE ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDED FOR THE PROJECT. SO AS PUBLIC WORKS, WE JUST KEEP MOVING FORWARD TO KEEP TO OUR SCHEDULE SO THAT WE ARE KEEPING TO OUR BUDGET NOT WASTING TAXPAYERS MONEY FROM THIS BOND PROJECT. MR. CHAIR, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. YES, SIR. TO THE, UM, CITY, UM, PUBLIC WORKS. CAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, BUT EXPLAIN IT TO US IN MORE VISUAL TERMS? UH, YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO EXPLAIN IT TO SOMEBODY THAT, UM, IS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE RETAINING WALL OR THE PURPOSE OF NOT OR THE INABILITY TO DO THREE INCHES, UH, HOW IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC, UH, UH, AND, AND, AND THE MAIN, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN OBJECTIVES THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, BUT, BUT USE AS SIMPLE TERMS AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. OKAY. SO WE ARE WIDENING THE SIDEWALK AND DOING THAT IS GOING TO GET RID OF THOSE TREE WELLS THAT YOU SEE THAT, UM, THERE'S THE LITTLE SQUARE PIECES THAT COME TOWARDS THE SOUTH END OF THAT IMAGE. UM, SO BASICALLY THE RETAINING WALL THAT IS THAT STRAIGHT LINE WILL MOVE BACK TO THAT BACK EDGE OF THOSE, UH, TREE WELLS SO THAT THE [00:20:01] SIDEWALK IS WIDENED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, THERE ARE SOME AREAS TOWARDS THE END WHERE YOU HAVE, UM, ELECTRICAL AND TELEPHONE POLES THAT ARE KIND OF BLOCKING SOME OF THAT A D A ACCESS. SO THAT'S GONNA WIDEN THIS WHOLE AREA, MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR, UM, A D A COMPLIANCE. AND THEN WHAT THE REASON WE CAN'T LOWER THE, UH, THE RETAINING WALL IS THAT THERE IS A, UH, BASICALLY IT IS HOLDING UP SOIL, UH, FROM THOSE TWO PROPERTIES THAT YOU SEE. UM, AND IN ORDER TO DO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING, WE WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY PUSH THAT BERM MUCH FURTHER BACK ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'S ALSO A VERY LARGE IRON FENCE THAT IF WE WERE DOING THAT, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO MOVE THE FENCE BACK OR CREATE AN ADDIT, SOME OTHER TYPE OF FENCING. SO ALL OF THAT WOULD BE EX EXTREMELY OUTSIDE OF OUR BUDGET. UM, AND THE SCOPE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW IF ERIC OR AMELIA WANNA ADD ANYTHING. I I I THINK THAT THAT'S A VERY, UM, NO, AMANDA, THAT'S FINE. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ALSO A VERY, VERY GOOD EXPLANATION. SO I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THE MAIN OBJECTIVE HERE IS THAT THE, THE EXISTING SIDEWALK IS NOT . DOES THAT HELP CLARIFY OR IT IT DOES. NO, IT, IT, IT DOES. THANK YOU. SORRY EVERYONE, WE HAD SOME ECHO ISSUES, SO WE'RE UNMUTING AND RE MUTING DEPENDING ON WHO'S SPEAKING. SO JUST BEAR WITH US. BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, IF YOU COULD RESTATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID. WELL, I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UM, THAT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE SEE HERE IN THE DRAWING, THE DRAWINGS REALLY HARD TO, TO UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, NOISE IN THE, IN THE LINES, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A WIDENING OF THE SIDEWALK. AND AS THEY, THEY HIT THE, UM, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE ELEVATION IS HIGHER THAN THE ELEVATION OF, OF, OF THE SIDEWALK, IN WHICH CASE THE RETAINING WALL IS NECESSARY BECAUSE OTHERWISE, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION WHERE DIRT JUST CONTINUES TO ROLL OVER THE EXISTING SIDEWALK AND WE END UP WITH A MESS. UM, EXACTLY RIGHT. I, AND, AND I, AND I, AND I DO THINK THAT PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT, IS THAT A D A IS A CONSIDERATION HERE? YES. THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON FOR THE PROJECT IS TO MAKE IT MORE A D A COMPLIANT AND ACCESSIBLE. AND I WILL SAY THAT TOWARDS THE END, WHEN YOU GET TOWARDS THE ALLEYWAY, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOWER THE RETAINING WALL HEIGHT THERE, BUT WE REALLY WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE'RE KIND OF IN CONSTRUCTION TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT BERM WE CAN PUSH BACK IN THAT AREA. UM, SO WE CAN TRY THAT, BUT FOR THE REST OF IT, UM, THAT THE BERM IS TOO HIGH, IT HAS TO BE HELD BACK WITH SOMETHING, AND SO THERE HAS TO BE A RETAINING WALL IN ORDER TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, EROSION, UM, ALL OF THAT FROM GOING INTO THE SIDEWALK AND INTO FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, OH, BEFORE WE DO THIS, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? WE ALREADY DID THAT. THERE WEREN'T ANY. OKAY. THERE WERE TWO VOICEMAILS. OKAY. UH, FROM THE, YOUR SHEET, UH, TYPICAL SECTIONS WHERE YOU SHOW THE ROADWAY AND THE SIDEWALK, UH, YOU'RE SHOWING A OVER SEVEN FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK OR A SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK. BEFORE YOU GET TO THE, WHAT THESE DRAWINGS ARE CALLING A CURB, UM, HOW TALL IS THE TALLEST CURB OR RETAINING WALL GOING TO BE AFTER THE, BASED ON YOUR PLANS? I WILL LET ERICA EMILIO ADDRESS THAT. I'LL MUTE MYSELF. HELLO, THIS IS, UH, EMILIO WITH THIS AT THE PUBLIC WORKS. UM, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AT THE, THE DRAWING I BELIEVE SAYS A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES. THE, UH, THE EXISTING HEIGHT OF THE, THAT CONCRETE CURB, WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE, WHAT, WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT, UM, IS ABOUT NINE TO 10 INCHES. UM, WE DON'T EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE THAT THAT MUCH. UH, LIKE BRANDON MENTIONED, MAYBE NEAR THE ALLEY, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REDUCE IT A COUPLE OF INCHES, BUT WE WILL LOOK FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT NOT MUCH. HOW CLOSE, HOW CLOSE WILL THIS CURB GET TO THE EXISTING, UH, FENCE? [00:25:08] UM, FROM THE DRAWING THAT, UH, THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE THE SOLID WHITE LINE IS THE RETAINING WALL. UM, AND THEN THE DASHED WHITE LINE IS THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, THAT DISTANCE, IT, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THIS DRAWING, BUT, UH, IT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S UP AT MOST A FOOT, IF NOT PROBABLY, PROBABLY LESS THAN A FOOT. AS IT GETS TOWARDS THE ALLEY, IT, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT INCREASES THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RAIN RETAINING WALL AND THE RIGHT OF WAY IT INCREASES, BUT NOT BY MUCH, UH, BY THE ALLEY. YOU MIGHT HAVE A ABOUT BETWEEN A FOOT AND A TWO AND TWO FEET FROM, FROM THE RETAINING WALL TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? UH, COMMISSIONER FISH OR COMMISSIONER MAZUA? UH, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? GOSH, YES SIR. YES, SIR. UH, I, I WISH WE HAD A BETTER VIEW, LIKE ONE FROM THE STREAK VANTAGE POINT BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO GET THE, THE IMAGE, IT'S HARD TO GET THE IMAGE FROM THE, FROM THE DRAWINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, DRAWINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, LIKE THE TREE WELLS. YOU CAN'T, I CAN'T DECIPHER THAT. BUT, BUT ANYTHING FOR IMPROVED HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY, I, I THINK THAT'S A BENEFIT. AND WIDER SIDEWALKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. EDWARD, COULD YOU PULL UP A STREET VIEW FROM GOOGLE? 'CAUSE I THINK IT, YES. GIMME ONE SECOND. UH, I'M LOOKING AT ONE NOW AND IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE. UM, I WOULD CALL THIS MORE OF A CURB AS OPPOSED TO A RETAINING WALL. SO, UM, SO IT MAY BE A, UM, ISSUE OF NOMENCLATURE OR I GUESS ONE PERSON'S RETAINING WALL IS ANOTHER PERSON'S CURB. SO, UM, BUT IT DOES SHOW THE, THE INS AND OUTS IN THE TREE WELLS AND, UH, ELEMENTS THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO, UH, STRAIGHTEN OUT AND CREATE BETTER A D A ACCESS. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I APPRECIATE, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS JUST TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS, UH, AS AN INDIVIDUAL CASE, BUT I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DESIGN TEAM, UH, MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO SEE IF THEY CAN REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE RETAINING WALL AS IT APPROACHES THE ALLEY, UH, TO, FOR THE PURPOSES OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF AREAS WHERE PEOPLE CAN SIT AND LOITER AND DRINK BEER AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND IT. MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH AYE, SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. MORE OR LESS IS ABSENT MASUKA. ONE MORE TIME. ONE MORE TIME. MASUKA, COULD YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF? WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. WE'LL GET HOW'S THIS? AYE. PERFECT. CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT. CERVANTES? YES. BE AYE. WITNESS IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. ACTUALLY WE SHOULD FINISH THE CONSENT ITEMS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO 11. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM 12. [00:30:03] THIS IS PULLED FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. UM, REALLY I, I'M IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. JUST WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE SIZE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS INDEED MEETING THE, THE GUIDELINES AND THAT THE ROOF REPLACEMENT IS MATCHING TO ADD THOSE TWO STIPULATIONS TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS. THANK YOU. I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YES. MORNING, TRUSTEE ? YEAH, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM, SIR. OKAY. LOOKING AT THE GARAGE DOORS AS THE OBJECT THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO MAKE A SLIGHT CHANGE TO ALL WOOD. IS THAT MIC ON? IS IS YOUR MIC ON? YES, SIR. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. UM, FOR THE GARAGE DOORS, IT'S ASKING THAT WE GO ALL WOOD. UH, RIGHT NOW, UM, THE TIME PERIOD TO CHANGE OVER TO GO TO ALT WOOD INSTEAD OF METAL IS 10 WEEKS TO GET 'EM ORDERED AND DELIVERED. UM, THAT'S WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE CAN, UH, UH, CONTINUE WITH THE METAL DOORS. RUSTY, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU. THE STIPULATION SAYS WOOD OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE WOOD AND YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS FINE, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOOD. OH, OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN, UH, THE PROPOSAL FROM THE, THE H O A STATING THAT WE CAN, WE NEED TO CHANGE OVER TO THE, THE, UM, DIMENSIONAL SHINGLES IS NO PROBLEM. IN FACT, I ALREADY NOTICED THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE COLOR AS IT IS, SO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. GREAT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH, AYE SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MORALE ABSENT MA? AYE. PERFECT. CARPENTER. AYE. GROVE IS ABSENT. CERVANTES? YES, BE SIR. AYE. AND THE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. UH, AGENDA ITEM 14. OKAY. I'VE GOT THE APPLICANT ROBERT ON THE LINE. I THINK THIS WAS ALSO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YES. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER FISH PULLED THIS FOR UH, DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND I'LL DEFER TO, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FISH TO ASK QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UH, WE, WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT, THAT BROUGHT UP A FEW POINTS, MANY OF WHICH I THINK WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE STAFF STIPULATION. UM, I'M, I'VE NOTICED THAT THE, THE REQUEST TODAY IS FOR CONSENSUAL APPROVAL, SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT UPDATED DRAWINGS, UH, WHICH WOULD MEET THE STAFF STIPULATIONS BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL. SO I HAVE SOME SENSE OF RELIEF IN, IN THAT PROCESS, BUT I HAD ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I AGREE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL HERE. AND, AND THAT IS THE, IN THE INCLUSION OF A VERTICAL OFFSET FOR THE ADDITION. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER? AND ROBERT, THERE YOU ARE. YES SIR. SO I'M NOT CLEAR WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW THE ADDITION IS, IS SITTING DIRECTLY ON TOP OF THE, UH, EXISTING WALLS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES SIR. SO AN OFFSET WOULD BE TO PULL THAT WOULD BE TO PULL THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT A CERTAIN DISTANCE SO THAT THE ADDITION READS MORE CLEARLY AS AN ADDITION? YES SIR. YEP, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. AND YOU, YOU CONCUR WITH THE REST OF STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES. THE, THAT YOU WROTE? THE ONLY CONCERN WE HAD IS THAT THE ROOF OF THE GARAGE IS ACTUALLY AT AN ANGLE AND THAT THE NEW ADDITION IS MATCHING THAT ROOF AND NOT TRYING TO MIMIC SOME OTHER HIP ROOF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR IN, IN, IN MONTE VISTA. WHAT, WHAT ROOF IS AT AN ANGLE? THE [00:35:01] ONE THAT THE, THE ONE THAT'S BEHIND THE PARAPET OF THE YEAH, THERE I SENT ALL ANOTHER UH, UH, PHOTO OF THAT ROOF, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AT AN ANGLE. THE, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS THE ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO, CORRECT? CORRECT. I MEAN THAT, THAT'S GOING UP AGAINST A SOLID STRUCTURE AND TO ME THAT DOESN'T READ AS A SHED ROOF. I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THE ROOF FORM AND I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT SCALE IS A INCREASE BY THE SINGLE SLOPE SHED ROOF. UM, BUT I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA PASS IT OFF TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO SEE IF HE HAS ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OKAY. I I THINK YOU COVERED IT FOR, UH, FOR MY SATISFACTION. AND SO I WOULD MOVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT, UM, AN OFFSETTING VERTICAL TRIM BE ADDED AT THE POINT OF JUNCTURE AND THAT STAFF WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT STIPULATION MEANS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION MR. CHAIR? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT THE OBSERVATION THAT THAT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT IS PROPOSED AND, AND THE, AND THE, UM, I THINK KINDA MINOR DETAILS OF WHAT, UM, CONSTITUTES THE, THE CHANGE IN, IN PERIOD OF THE, OF THE ADDITIONS AND I, I, UM, SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION IN, IN THE INTEREST OF THE APPLICANT, BUT IT, IT SEEMS THAT THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION IS RE RELEVANT TO THE PULLING BACK AND THE CREATING OF UNNECESSARY OPPORTUNITIES FOR WATER INFILTRATION. AND IN A HOUSE, IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND IT, AND IT, AND IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT HAD, ITS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION AND THAT TYPE OF DRAINAGE SYSTEM. BUT IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, I THINK THAT THE SAME OBJECTIVE CAN BE ACHIEVED, UM, THROUGH THE MATERIAL CHANGE WITHOUT STEPPING INTO THE EXISTING ROOF THAT I'M SURE THE APPLICANT AND THE INTEREST OF, OF, OF GETTING AN APPROVAL WOULD BE WILLING TO DO. BUT, AND I JUST HESITATE TO, TO AUTHOR, YOU KNOW, A, UM, A PART OF A DECISION THAT IN THE LONG RUN IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO THE BUILDING AND, AND IT'S ITSELF, UM, IT'S JUST COMMENTS AND, AND HOPING THAT THAT IN THE MOTION THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO REMOVE, YOU KNOW, THAT WELL-THOUGHT IDEA THAT THAT WELL-INTENTIONED IDEA TO, TO, TO CREATE A, A, A STRONGER RELATIONSHIP, UH, BETWEEN THE PAST AND THE PRESENT. BUT IN THE INTEREST OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, I HOPE THAT, THAT THAT'S A DETAIL THAT CAN BE DROPPED OFF THE MOTION AND THE COMMENTS. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL SO, UM, THE APPLICANT WILL BE DEVELOPING THE DRAWINGS FURTHER AND UH, CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON WHAT, UH, COULD POSSIBLY BE AN APPROPRIATE, UH, DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW. AND, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO COME TO A D R C TO REVIEW THAT WITH, UH, MORE IN DEPTH, UH, HE HAS THAT, UH, OPPORTUNITY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH AYE SINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. MORALE IS ABSENT. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT. CERVANTES? YES. BE SIR. AYE. AND LA IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. SO NOW AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. AGENDA ITEM 11 H T R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 0 5 ADDRESS THREE 11 EAST EVERGREEN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF SIX THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. THE SIX BUILDINGS ARE LOCATED ON INTERIOR, LOTS OF A LARGER MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. THE AMENDMENT REQUESTS THAT THE STRUCTURES BE REDUCED TO TWO STORIES WITH A MODIFIED FENESTRATION PATTERN. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT ALL EXPOSED SIDE FACADES FUTURE WINDOWS SOUTH ELEVATIONS OF BUILDINGS ON LOTS 28 AND LOT 19. THE NORTH ELEVATIONS OF BUILDINGS ON LOTS 20 AND 25 AND 22 AS INDICATED ON THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN. UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS IF APPLICABLE ARE REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WINDOWS THAT MEET OUR STIPULATIONS AS LISTED. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH THE STIPULATIONS AS LISTED. AND FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS [00:40:01] ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. AND THE APPLICANT, PATRICK CHRISTENSEN IS HERE TO DISCUSS SPECIFICALLY STIPULATION NUMBER ONE REGARDING WINDOW LOCATIONS ON THE SOUTHERNMOST STRUCTURES. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S SUITE 2,700. DO WE HAVE THE POINTER? NO. OKAY. UM, IF YOU RECALL, WE WERE HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. WE DID THE, THIS SECTION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS BEING DEVELOPED BY IMAGINE HOMES IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND WE'D HAD, WE'D COME BACK WITH SOME THREE STORY DESIGNS. THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT NO WINDOWS FACING THE CENTRAL DRIVEWAY AND THE WAY WE HAD DONE THE BALCONY. WE'VE COME BACK WITH JUST TWO STORY DESIGNS, BUT THE WE'RE FINE WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. THE ONLY CONCERN IS, UM, TWO OF THE TWO OF THE STRUCTURES WE WERE ASKED TO PUT WINDOWS ON THE ZERO LOT LINE. WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF FIRE CODE. UM, SO THAT'S REALLY OUR ONLY CONCERN WITH THE STIPULATION. WE HAVE WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE. I KNOW THERE'S ONLY 10 FEET BETWEEN THE STRUCTURES, BUT THOSE ARE ACTUALLY KIND OF LITTLE PRIVATE YARDS. I MEAN, IT'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR YOUR KIDS TO PLAY A DOG TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, BUT THEY KINDA LIKE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A PRIVACY THERE. AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN WE, WE FIRE CODE WILL NOT ALLOW A VARIANCE TO HAVE A, UM, WINDOW ON A, ON THE ZERO LOT LINE. SO WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE CAN HAVE THE WINDOWS ON THE ONE SIDE LIKE WE HAD AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PREVIOUS, HIS PREVIOUS DESIGNS. BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO ALL SIX OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE ON THE PROPERTY LINE? CORRECT. OKAY. YES. I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE, UH, DEVELOPERS, UH, FOR GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THESE STRUCTURES AND OF COURSE, UH, I THINK PROVIDING A, UH, A SERIES OF HOUSES THAT ARE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC NATURE OF THE DISTRICT. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? UH, CHAIRMAN IS THE, UH, APPLICANT, UH, ACCEPTING OF THE OTHER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND YES, THE STIPULATIONS, WE ARE JUST THAT. THANK YOU. THE FIRE RATE, I MEAN THE WALLS WITH THE LOT LINE ARE THE ONLY ISSUE. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I RECOMMEND APPROVAL MR. CHAIR. AND SECOND, IS THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND SECOND AND SECOND, UH, MOTION A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL CHAIR. I CAN STIPULATE. OH, I'M SORRY. DOES STIPULATION ONE, UM, ADDRESS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST? YEAH. IN OTHER WORDS, DID WE, DID WE NEED TO LEAVE STIPULATION ONE OFF THE MOTION? THAT WAS MY CONCERN TOO. , THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S WHY YOU SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT TO, TO LEAVE STIPULATION ONE OFF. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? YES. OKAY. AND UH, SECOND, SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION AND A SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FISH FOR THAT. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION MR. CHAIR? I'D JUST LIKE TO HOPE THAT WE CAN MAKE A MENTAL NOTE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WITH RESPECT TO SAY, FOR INSTANCE, THE TWO PROJECTS THAT CAME BEFORE US AT THE PREVIOUS H D R C MEETING, MARY, SIMILAR SITUATIONS AND VERY SIMILAR, UM, ASKS WITH RESPECT TO BREAKING WITH, YOU KNOW, A GUIDELINE. UH, I'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT, UH, BUT, BUT I REALLY JUST WANNA REEMPHASIZE THAT, THAT WE MAKE A, A MENTAL NOTE OF, UH, THE PRECEDENTS THAT WE SET. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH, AYE. SINA AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. MORALES IS ABSENT. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROVE IS ABSENT. ANTE? YES, THAT SIR. AYE AND LI IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 15. UH, CAN WE ACTUALLY PUT THE CASE LIST BACK ON THE SCREEN REAL QUICK? I'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE UPDATES. UM, SO ZOOM IN TO THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS IF YOU CAN, EDWARD, JUST SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT SIDE. OKAY, SO ITEM 15 HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, UM, FOR A LATER DATE AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM, ITEM 30 HAS ALSO BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, WE DID HAVE A REQUEST FROM, UH, THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 29 TO GO EARLY SO HE COULD MAKE A FLIGHT, UM, BUT HE IS M I A, SO WE'RE TRYING TO REACH HIM NOW. SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD TO ITEM 16. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, [00:45:01] H D R C. CASE NUMBER 2 2 2 0 51 4 19 NORTH. MONUMENTAL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF WITH A NEW COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF TO RECONSTRUCT THE CURVE FRONT PORCH TO ITS ORIGINAL PROFILE. THREE. REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS WITH NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS. EX EXISTING WINDOWS ARE ALUMINUM WITH ONE WOOD WINDOW. FOUR, CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 844 SQUARE FEET AND FIVE TO INSTALL A FRONT AND REAR YARD FENCE. SAF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D WITH A STIPULATION THAT ALL ORIGINAL ROOF FORMS AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ARE PRESERVED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDING I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT DENTAL MOLDING TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL IS NOTED IN THE EXISTING PHOTOGRAPHS BE INSTALLED. TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH COLUMNS FEATURE A PROFILE OF SIX INCHES SQUARE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM AND CHAMFORD CORNERS. ORNAMENTAL ELEMENTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND HISTORICALLY ON SITE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. AND THREE, THAT THE PORCH DECKING BE TONGUE AND GROOVE FEATURE ONE BY THREE PROFILE AND BE INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE STREET FACING PORCH WALLS RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH AND THE INSTALLATION OF NEW DOORS. UH, BASED ON FINDINGS G AND H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT WOULD OR ALUMINUM PLAID WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND ALUMINUM WINDOW MAY ALSO BE APPROPRIATE SHOULD IT BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS. AND TWO, THAT THE DOORS, THAT DOORS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE FAULT VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE BE INSTALLED AND THAT PROPOSED DOORS BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDING J THROUGH O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT A UNIFORM SIDING PROFILE BE INSTALLED THROUGHOUT WOOD SIDING THAT MATCHES THE ORIGINAL OR COMPOSITE SIDING IN A HORIZONTAL PROFILE WITH A SMOOTH FINISH AND FOUR INCH EXPOSURE SHOULD BE INSTALLED. A FAUX WOOD GRAIN SHOULD NOT BE USED. UH, TWO, THAT WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS. AN ALUMINUM WINDOW MAY BE APPROPRIATE. SHOULD IT BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM TO FEATURE A REAR GABLE THAT FEATURES A CENTERED RIDGE LINE TO RESULT IN A GABLE WITH AN EQUAL SLOPE ON BOTH SIDES. AND FOUR THAT THE, THAT THE REAR EDITION FEATURE TRADITIONALLY SIZED WINDOWS WITH THE ONE OVER ONE PROFILE AND THAT ALL RECTANGULAR WINDOWS BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL SIZES. LARGE PICTURE WINDOWS SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE OPENINGS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, ORIGINAL OPENINGS. AND FIVE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF FRONT AND REAR YARD FENCING WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A FENCING DETAIL TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. UM, THERE'S A CASE COMMENT. THERE'S EXISTING PARKING WITHIN THE FRONT YARD. UH, STAFF UH, FINDS THAT PARKING WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD. UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. UH, MANUEL ALMAR IS HERE IN PERSON. HELLO, MR. HALL. HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MANUEL AMAR. I'M THE OWNER, UH, OF THE PROPERTY. AND YES, WE AGREE WITH YOU ALL ABOUT MOVING THE DRIVEWAY TO THE, TO THE BACKYARD AND JUST, UH, ON THE FRONT, JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THE CROSSWALK AND THAT'S IT. JUST, UH, JUST EXACTLY JUST LIKE YOU, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S GONNA BE JUST A REGULAR DRIVEWAY ON THE BACK OF A YARD, NO GARAGE, NO NOTHING. DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE STIPULATION, MR. ALAMAR? YES. DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE ANY? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE SET FORWARD HERE? NO. NO, NOT AT ALL. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET, UH, LET ME CHECK FOR VOICEMAIL. AND THERE IS A VOICEMAIL. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN ERROR WITH THAT SPECIFIC VOICEMAIL. UM, I DO WANNA DRAW ATTENTION THAT THERE ARE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, AND I BELIEVE THE, UH, LETTER THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET IN THE VOICEMAIL ARE FROM, UH, UH, THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, GROUP. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I DO [00:50:01] HAVE ONE. WHAT IS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ADDITION? UH, LESS THAN 1800. I DON'T SACK THE, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE WITH ME THE, IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE PLAZA. I'M SORRY. I, UH, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. I'LL ZOOM IN. IT'S DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SET RIGHT HERE. UH, COMMISSIONERS. I'M GONNA TRY TO ACCESS THAT VOICEMAIL ONE MORE TIME. 1750. THE ADDITION ITSELF IS 8 44 . YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR, JUST GOING FROM MEMORY, I BELIEVE HE WAS UNDER THE STIPULATION, THE, THE GUIDELINES, I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY'LL, THEY'LL PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW, BUT WE VISITED THAT SITE AND, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS UNDER THE, UH, ALLOTTED PERCENTAGE FOR, UH, FOR THE, UH, EXTENSION FOR THE ADDITION. I RECALL THAT AS WELL. MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? UH, IF WE CANNOT GET THE VOICEMAIL UP? UM, WE'RE STILL TRYING, BUT I'M, I'M NOT ABLE TO PLAY THAT RIGHT NOW. THERE YOU GO. EDWARD, DO YOU HAVE YOUR VOICE, YOUR, UM, OUTLOOK OPEN? OKAY, I'M GONNA TRY TO PLAY IT FROM HERE. LET'S SEE IF IT WORKS. LET ME ACTUALLY, I'LL TRY TO PLAY IT FROM MY LAPTOP AND JUST HAVE MY, THIS MICROPHONE ON. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA ECHO OR NOT. MY NAME HILLWOOD HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 5 1 LOCATED AT FOUR 19 NORTH. MONUMENTAL, WE AGREE WITH OS WHAT I'M STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUT THAT NO PICTURE WINDOWS SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND THAT ALL WINDOWS MUST BE ONE OVER ONE WOOD OR ALUMINUM PLAID WOOD WINDOWS TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC DESIGN OF THIS HOUSE. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF USING THE TIMBER TECH ZEKE PORCH ONE BY THREE PORCH FLOORING IF COMPOSITE IS WHAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO USE FOR THE EXTERIOR PORCH. THIS IS THE ONLY MANUFACTURER OF COMPOSITE FLOORING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND THAT SELLS THE TONGUE AND GROOVE ONE BY THREE PORCH FLOORING IN SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT WASN'T THE BEST, SO I APOLOGIZE. IT'S FOR ALL HERE. IT ACTUALLY CAME IN LOUD AND CLEAR ON THE WEBEX, SO IT WAS ON THE RECORD. I HEARD ENOUGH. UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? CERTAINLY. OKAY THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, UH, ACCEPT THE REQUEST. SO, UM, WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. OKAY, I SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT. FISH AYE SINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. MORALE IS ABSENT. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT. CERVANTES? YES. PET SIR? AYE, LA ABSENT? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. AGENDA ITEM 17. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 47 1 14 BOSTON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO [00:55:01] CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION FEATURING APPROXIMATELY 485 SQUARE FEET TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT ONE 14 BOSTON LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. TWO. REPLACE THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY WITH THE NEW CONCRETE WALKWAY. THREE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING RIBBON STRIP DRIVEWAY IN KIND FOR REPAIR THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, WOOD SIDING AND FILE, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE BY REMOVING AND MODIFYING EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL EITHER COMPOSITE SIDING WITH A FOUR INCH EXPOSURE AND SMOOTH FINISH OR ONE 17 PROFILE SIDING. THAT PROFILE WOULD MATCH THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ADDITIONAL WINDOW FENESTRATION AND WINDOW OPENINGS IN BOTH THE EAST AND WEST FACADES. THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY PROVIDED THAT IT IS REPLACED IN KIND WITH A MATCHING PROFILE BASED ON FINDING H THIS IS TO INCLUDE THE EXISTING FLARE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW RIBBON STRIP DRIVEWAY, PROVIDED THAT IT FEATURES NO MORE THAN 10 FEET IN WIDTH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. SIDING REPAIR BASED ON FINDING C STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC WINDOW OPENINGS AND THE CREATION OF ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS IN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL EXISTING WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS BE PRESERVED AS THEY EXIST. THE APPLICANT, JAIME JIMENEZ IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY. HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, I SPOKE WITH THE OWNER, UH, EARLIER TODAY AND, UH, HE'S FINE ON LEAVING ALL THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND OPENINGS ON THE STORAGE STRUCTURE, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND FIX THOSE AS REQUIRED AND, UH, JUST LEAVE ALL THE EXISTING STRUCTURE INTACT. UH, THANK YOU MR. JIM JIMENEZ, UH, THE REST OF THE STIPULATIONS, ARE Y'ALL IN AGREEMENT? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? UH, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL AS WELL AS A LETTER THAT'S IN Y'ALL'S PACKET. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 47 LOCATED AT ONE 14 BOSTON. WE AGREE WITH O H P STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WOULD LIKE CONFIRMATION SIZE OF THE ADDITION. THE APPLICATION HAS TWO DIFFERENT SIZES OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IDENTIFIED 485 SQUARE FEET AND 580 SQUARE FEET. THANK YOU MR. JIMENEZ. WILL YOU BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THE SIZE OF THE ADDITION? YES, IT'LL BE THE 485, UH, THE 500 AND SOMETHING IT WAS, UH, THE PREVIOUS DESIGN. SO WE CHANGED THE DESIGN BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM LAST MEETING. SO IT IT BRING DOWN THE, THE ADDITION TO 4 85. THANK YOU, SIR. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. I SECOND THAT. MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS IS ABSENT. FISH AYE. SABINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MORALE, MORALE IS ABSENT. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT. MR. BANES? YES. BE SIR. AYE. AND LA IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 18. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 45 9 22 NOLAN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TWO AND REMOVAL OF EXISTING WINDOWS, TRANSOM, WINDOWS, AND DOORS. TWO. REPLACE THE HISTORIC FISH SCALE SIDING BENEATH THE GABLE WITH CEDAR SHAKES. THREE. REPLACE ALL EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS. FOUR. INSTALL FO TILE PORCH COLUMNS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING RODAR COLUMNS. FIVE. INSTALL FULL WIDTH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND PLACES THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RIBBON STRIP. DRIVEWAY SIX. INSTALL FRONT YARD FENCING. SEVEN INSTALL SIDE AND REAR YARD FENCING. EIGHT TO CONSTRUCT THE REAR ADDITION THAT FEATURES THE PROFILE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL ROOF FORM STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, [01:00:01] THE REMOVAL OF WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE FRONT PORCH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIZE OF WINDOW OPENINGS, THE REMOVAL OF TRANSOM WINDOW OPENINGS AND THE WIDENING OF THE FRONT DOOR PORCH DOORS BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS ALL ORIGINAL OPENINGS BE RESTORED TO THE ORIGINAL PROFILES. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL FISH SCALE SIDING UNDERNEATH THE CEDAR SHAKES SHEET. CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLES STAFF FINDS THE ORIGINAL FISH SCALE PROFILE TO BE SHOULD BE REINSTALLED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING F. STAFF RECOMMENDS HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS BE REINSTALLED THAT MATCHED THE PROFILE OF THOSE THAT WERE REMOVED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, THE INSTALLATION OF FO TILE ON THE NEW PORCH COLUMNS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COLUMN SHOULD BE REDUCED IN SIZE, FEATURE PROFILE CHANGE TO BE PROPORTIONATE AND BE WRAPPED IN WOOD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE. THE INSTALLATION OF A FULL WIDTH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH THE STIPULATION AT THE DRIVEWAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH IS NOTED IN FINDING H. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE INSTALLATION OF FRONT YARD FENCING BASED ON FINDING I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT NO LOCATION THAT AT NO LOCATION SHALL THE FENCE EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. AND TWO, THAT IF A DRIVEWAY GATE IS INSTALLED, IT IS LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDE AND REAR YARD PRIVACY FENCING WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT AT NO LOCATION SHALL DEFENSE EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. AND TWO, THAT THE PRIVACY FENCING SHOULD BE LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT MOSTS WINDOW ON THE SIDE FACADES AND STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION WITH THE SHED ROOF FORM STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A GABLE ROOF. STAFF FINDS THE MODIFIED FENESTRATION PROFILE OF THE ADDITION TO BE APPROPRIATE. THE APPLICANT, MR. JUAN OSORIO, IS HERE IN PERSON? YES, SIR. MR. O OSORIO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, STAFF'S STIPULATIONS? MR. CHAIR? UH, YOU VERIFY THE ADDRESS? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE OUTTA ORDER OF, OF THE ORDER. THAT WAS 9 22 NOLAN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. MAY, MAYBE I'M, I'M NOT SEEING IT ON THE CASE FILE FOLDER. MAYBE IT JUST HASN'T BIT ME YET HERE. WHAT, WHAT WAS THE ADDRESS AGAIN, SIR? 9 22 NOLAN. IT'S ITEM NUMBER 18. 18. EIGHTEEN'S NOT IN MY LIST HERE, RIGHT? EIGHTEEN'S NOT IN MY LIST EITHER. YEAH, I'VE GOT IT. SO WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE MISSING 18 FROM THEIR FILE. I HAVE IT. WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK AROUND WITH A THUMB DRIVE IN THE MEANTIME. YOU CAN FOLLOW ON THE SPIRIT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. WELL, JUAN, SO, UH, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. YES SIR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, STAFF'S COMMENTS ON THE HOUSE? UH, YES. SO, UM, THERE'S SOME OF THE ISSUES THERE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, THE, UH, ROOF ON THE BACK THAT, UH, WAS, UH, BROUGHT UP. UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE SECOND, UH, THESE, UH, REDESIGN THAT I DID, UH, FOR YOU GUYS. UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS DENIED AND THE SECOND ONE WE WENT THROUGH THE SECOND, UH, HEARING. UH, WE HAD NO ISSUE WITH THAT, WHICH IS THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. UM, THE, THE, UH, BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE HAD THAT ORIGINALLY WAS BECAUSE OF THE WATER FLOW, HOW IT WAS, UH, IT WOULD DRAIN, IT WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO PUT A, UH, GABLE, UH, ROOF IN THERE. UH, THAT WAS ONE THING. AND SECONDLY, ALSO, THE HEIGHT THAT WE HAD IN THERE WAS NOT ALLOWED AS WELL BECAUSE IT WASN'T, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE CODE AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT INSIDE THE ROOM. THAT WAS ONE THING. THE, UH, OTHER ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, UH, THE WINDOWS. UM, I REPLACED ALL THE WINDOWS, UH, CUSTOM BUILT HISTORICALLY HAS THEIR WASTE EVERYTHING, UH, AS NEEDED. UH, MY ARGUMENT WAS THAT ON THE FIRST MEETING WAS THAT NONE OF THE WINDOWS, UH, THAT THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY HAD, UH, WERE FIXABLE. NONE OF THEM. UM, IF YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL PICTURES, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT. THAT WAS ONE THING. SECONDLY, UH, APPROXIMATELY OUT OF 12 WINDOWS, 14 WINDOWS, IF YOU, YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE NOT HISTORICAL WINDOWS. THEY WERE REPLACED, UH, UH, GOTTEN THOSE AT WHAT TIME THEY WERE REPLACED. BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME VINYL WINDOWS THERE, METAL WINDOWS, UH, DIFFERENT KINDS OF WINDOWS. I WENT AHEAD AND REPLACED THEM ALL, UH, WITH HISTORICAL STYLE WINDOWS, BASICALLY, UH, WOOD [01:05:01] STYLES. UM, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AS WELL WAS, UM, UH, OH, THE COLUMNS, UH, THE COLUMNS THAT WERE THERE THAT, THAT YOU SEE THERE. IF YOU LOOK BACK INTO MY DRAWINGS ON OUR FIRST MEETING, ON OUR SECOND MEETING, THEY'RE STILL THE SAME. UM, WE DID NOT ADDRESS AT THAT TIME THE FINISH OUT OF IT. UM, THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE DESIGN. UH, WE DID NOT ADDRESS THE FINISH OUT ON THAT. AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I I, AT THIS POINT I JUST DECIDED TO INSTALL WHAT IT IS. UH, WHAT YOU SEE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE PICTURES RIGHT NOW, BUT THOSE ARE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. I DIDN'T GET ANY OBJECTION OF THAT BACK THEN. AND, UH, BUT NOW I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, THE ISSUE IS THE, UH, THE FINISH ON IT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS NOW. AND, UM, WHAT'S THE OTHER I CAN, UH, I CAN PICK 'EM UP. UH, THERE WAS ALSO THE, UH, CEDAR SHAKE THAT'S INSTALLED UNDERNEATH THE GABLE. THERE WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, FISH SCALE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTO. UH, AND THEN ALSO THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATION. SO, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS GONE FROM, UH, TWO WINDOWS, UH, HERE IN THE FRONT TO THREE. UM, THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, UH, WERE NOT APPROVED AT THE LAST OR DURING THE LAST REVIEW. UM, NEITHER WERE THE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS. UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT'S NOTED THAT THE LOCATIONS AREN'T ORIGINAL. UM, BUT THERE WAS STILL NO APPROVAL FOR THOSE. UH, SO, UH, IN, IN SUMMARY, THERE'S FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, WINDOW REPLACEMENT, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE, UH, FISH SCALE SIDING. UM, THERE'S THE FENCING ON SITE. THERE'S THE DRIVEWAY ON SITE, UH, AS WELL AS A MODIFICATION TO A REAR ROOF FORM. UM, THERE'S ALSO SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS TO THE FENESTRATION PROFILE OF THE REAR ADDITION. UH, BUT STAFF FUNDS WHAT'S BEEN DONE TO BE APPROPRIATE. SO IN REFERENCE TO THE, THE WINDOWS THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE FRONT SEEMS TO BE THERE. LIKE THERE'S TWO ORIGINALLY THERE WERE THREE, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE CUTOUT ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. UM, WHAT POINT WERE THEY COVERED? I DON'T KNOW. UH, WHEN WE DID OPEN THOSE WALLS ON THE INSIDE, IT STILL HAD THE HEADER FOR A FULL, UH, THREE WINDOW UP THERE. AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE, WE WENT, UH, AHEAD WITH, UM, WHICH IS WHAT YOU CAN SEE THERE AS FAR AS THE, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE FISH SHAKES. FISH SHAKES. UH, I JUST NOTICED THAT RIGHT NOW, , I, I DID NOT, I DID NOT, UH, I MEAN, I WENT WITH THAT. I DID NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. BUT, UM, IT CAN BE FIXED, I GUESS. WE DEFINITELY DID. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? THERE ARE COMMENTS FROM, UH, CITIZENS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS, UH, ITEM. OKAY. UM, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE ANY PHOTOS OF THAT ORIGINAL FRAMING THAT SHOWED THE, THE THREE WINDOW HEADER PICTURES OF THE ORIGINAL FRAMING? UM, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE THIS, THIS IS AN INTERIOR PHOTO THAT, UH, STAFF TOOK, UM, DURING THE TIME OF A SITE VISIT. THAT WAS AFTER WE TOOK IT. I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT AFTER WE TOOK IT DOWN. IF THE DEMOLITION WAS ALREADY STARTED DOWN. MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. UH, THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF, UM, CONFUSION WITH REALLY GOOD EFFORT. UH, THE, UH, THE PROJECT IN FRONT OF US IS A, IS A PRETTY STRONG, UH, VERY COMPLETE OUTCOME. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH REALLY GOOD COMMENT TO MAKE ABOUT THE CARE THAT WENT INTO THESE WINDOWS IN THIS, IN THIS PROJECT. UM, I, I DON'T REALLY SEE TOO MUCH REASON TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SEE THIS AS, AS, AS SOMETHING THAT WAS, THAT, THAT HAD AN ILL INTENT. IT JUST SEEMS THAT THAT THE MEAN, THE OVERALL ARCH ARCHING, UH, BLESSING HERE IS THAT IT'S, IT'S SO WELL DONE. AND THAT'S WITH RESPECT TO THE, TO THE CEDAR PICKET FENCE AND HOW IT MATCHES THE SHAKE AND THE GABLE. UM, THE ONLY ELEMENT THAT, THAT SEEMS TO STAND OUT, THAT, THAT ALTERS THE, THE, THE HOW SIGNIFICANTLY [01:10:01] WOULD BE THE WAY THAT THE, THE COLUMNS WERE TREATED. BUT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE WHERE THIS IS ACTUALLY THE DESIGN THAT'S RECOMMENDED. NOW, I I'M NOT SURE WHERE, WHERE THAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS COME FROM OR HOW THEY, HOW THEY MEET GUIDELINES, BUT IT IS, IT IS A, UH, KIND OF A ELEMENTARY TREATMENT THAT THAT, THAT WE'VE KIND OF PUSHED THIS IDEA OF, OF A, OF A, UH, OF A, UM, UM, STAFFING OF A PLATFORM UNDERNEATH A COLUMN. STAFF CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION FOR THE COLUMN. SO YES, THIS GENERAL SHAPE AND DESIGN OR STYLE WAS APPROVED, UH, BY THE COMMISSION WHEN THIS WAS REVIEWED LAST. UM, HOWEVER I CAN GO TO, UH, THAT DETAIL. UM, THERE ARE, UH, SMALL THINGS, PROPORTION WISE AND PROFILE WISE THAT, UM, ARE OFF, UH, WITH THE PROFILE THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, AND THE PROFILE THAT THAT'S BEEN BUILT. UH, SO YOU SEE THE PEDESTALS ARE SHORTER. UM, THERE'S, UH, A TAPER ELEMENT TO THE COLUMNS THAT WERE ON THE PREVIOUS DOCUMENT. RIGHT. AND, AND I'M SORRY. AND, AND EDWARD, I I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND, I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I'M NOT, I'M NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO, TO TRYING TO SAY THAT THERE, THAT THERE'S NOT ITEMS OFF THE MARK. BUT IN THE GENERAL OUTCOME AND THE GENERAL BALANCE, IT IS, IT IS REALLY A, A VERY STRONG INTERPRETATION OF, IT MAY NOT BE STAFFS OR IT MAY NOT BE THE COMMISSIONS, BUT IT IS A VERY STRONG INTERPRETATION THAT DOES, THAT DOES EXEMPLIFY A GR A GREAT LEVEL OF CARE, A GREAT LEVEL OF, OF UNDERSTANDING, UH, AND, AND, AND A AND A AND A STRONG ADHERENCE TO SOMEONE ELSE'S AESTHETIC BECAUSE THE STONE EVEN MATCHES THE COLOR OF THE WOOD AND HOW EVERYTHING BALANCES OUT. THIS IS A, A, THIS IS A COMPLIMENTARY PIECE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. HOWEVER, IT, IT DEVIATES. SO IN, IN THAT MR CHAIR, I THINK THAT THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONFUSION, A FAIR AMOUNT OF AGREEMENT THAT, THAT, THAT AND, AND A AND A AND A LARGE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. UM, AND, AND WITHIN THE CONTEXT, SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING WITH RELATIONSHIP TO THE, WITH RESPECT TO THIS, TO THE WINDOWS THAT, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE AREN'T A A, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE LOT OF REASONS TO DIVE INTO CONVERSATION, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE THIS, UH, PROJECT AS SUBMITTED, AS PRESENTED BEFORE US. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YEAH. IN, IN LIGHT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER, UH, JUST SAID, I, I THINK IT STILL FITS WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF, OF WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. IS IT AN ARTS AND CRAFTS DESIGN? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? MOTION. IT MOVES IN THAT DIRECTION, I THINK. OKAY. SO WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND SECOND THAT, SO ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSION. 'CAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WHILE OUR KIND OF DEVIATED FROM WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE, UH, IN THE PACKAGE AND WHAT HAVE YOU, THEY'RE MINOR. I THINK THERE'S SOME MAJOR THINGS LIKE THIS ADDITION IN THE BACK, IF WE LOOK AT, UM, KNOW, WHICH PAGE IS THIS, NUMBER 16 IN THE, IN THE PACKAGE, AND I'M TRYING TO SQUARE THAT WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN, IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION. I MEAN, THOSE DOCUMENTS CAN'T BE JUST SORT OF A, A, A VAGUE SUGGESTION OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. THEY'VE GOTTA BE KIND OF A, A CLEAR AND, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMITMENT TO, UH, WHAT, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ALTER THE, THE PROPERTY. AND, UH, THERE'S SUCH A DEVIATION FROM WHAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT I'M, I'M HAVING A, A REAL HARD TIME EVEN UNDERSTANDING KIND OF WHAT THAT FIRST PROPOSAL WAS. IF WE CAN GO TO, UM, THE ROOF PLAN THAT IS ON, UH, PAGE NUMBER 34. SO SOUTH IS TO THE TOP OF THIS PAGE, CORRECT? THE SOUTH ELEVATION NORTH IS TO THE BOTTOM. THAT'S CORRECT. NORTH IS TO THE BOTTOM SOUTH IS TO THE TOP, YEAH. SO I LOOK AT THAT, AND THEN I LOOK AT THE, THE PROPOSED SOUTH ELEVATION, WHICH IS ON, UH, SHEET NUMBER 33. AND I GUESS THAT THAT CYAN LINE IS SHOWING THE SLOPING OF THE ROOF GOING TO THE, TO THE, UH, THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND YET THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS THE RESULT. AND SO I, I JUST, [01:15:01] WATER MANAGEMENT CAN BE DONE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS IN THE ROOF. SO I'M NOT BUYING THAT. YOU COULDN'T PUT A GABLED ROOF UP THERE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, COLLINS ASIDE, WINDOWS ASIDE, FISH SCALES ASIDE, THERE'S, THAT'S FOR ME, UH, FOR THIS COMMISSIONER, KIND OF THE MOST EGREGIOUS DEPARTURE FROM WHAT THE, WHAT THE PLANS WERE, UH, PROPOSING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS SHARE. CAN I A COMMENT THE SHOCK AND AWE THAT I'M HAVING RIGHT NOW. I'M SORRY, SIR. UM, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT THAT DRAWING THAT, THAT YOU, UH, PUT UP THERE RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT WAS DENIED THE VERY FIRST TIME. YEAH. AND THAT ONE ACTUALLY HAD A GABLE ROOF ON IT. UH, EDWARD, COULD YOU PUT UP WHAT WAS APPROVED THEN? I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY, THAT, THAT WAS THE, MY VERY FIRST, FIRST TIME THAT I SUBMITTED TO YOU GUYS, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT GOT DENIED AND I ACTUALLY HAD A GABLE ROOF IN THERE. SO I THINK A, A LITTLE BIT OF IT IS, UH, THE REVISED ELEMENTS FOR THE ADDITION AS WELL AS A, A NUMBER OF OTHER ITEMS, UH, WERE NEVER FOLLOWED UP ON WITH STAFF. UM, WE DISCOVERED THIS BY, YOU KNOW, REPORT WHEN THE FENCING WAS BEING INSTALLED. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE SERIES OF STAFF RECOMMENDING, UH, THAT, UH, ADDITIONS BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED IN A WAY THAT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, I'D SAY THAT THIS ONE GENERALLY MEETS THAT BY THE PHOTO, BUT, UM, WE DISCOVERED THIS WHEN THE FENCING WAS BEING INSTALLED AND WE MADE A SITE VISIT, UM, EITHER LAST OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, UM, AND THEN KIND OF DOVE DEEPER INTO, UM, THE ITEMS THAT WERE GOING ON INTO THE SITE VISIT AND DISCOVERED THAT THERE'S WINDOWS AND FENESTRATION AND, UH, THE FISH SCALE, ET CETERA. MM-HMM. . YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, DISCONCERTING. YES. COMMISSIONER SINO. THANK YOU. UM, UM, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT ON SO MANY, SO MANY LEVELS. UM, I DO THINK THERE IS PROBABLY SOME COMMUNICATION CONCERNS REGARDING WHAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WAS THAT WAS FIRST ISSUED, WHAT IT CONTAINED AND WHAT IT DID NOT CONTAINED CONTAIN. UM, AND WHEN THERE ARE SITUATIONS LIKE THAT THAT, UM, I GUESS THERE'S NOT A FOLLOW-UP DESIGN, I GUESS THIS IS A, A NOTE FOR EVERYBODY. COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF ONGOING DURING THE PROJECT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF REACHED OUT TO THE CONSTRUCTION TEAM ALREADY MANY MONTHS AGO. SO THERE WAS THAT INVITATION FOR COMMUNICATION THAT GOES WITH ALL PROJECTS, COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ARE CHANGES, IS SO IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY. UM, ONE, ONE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOUSE BEING KIND OF PULLED TOGETHER. THERE'S THE QUESTION, IS IT ARTS AND CRAFT OR IS IT A FOLK VICTORIAN? WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS NEITHER FISH NOR FOUL. UM, WE'VE LOST THE FOLK VICTORIAN THAT THIS PARTICULAR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NOTED FOR, ESPECIALLY AT A PROMINENT INTERSECTION OF, OF NOLAN. AND WHAT ARE YOU, UH, UH, PINE, UH, A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA HAVE WORKED VERY HARD, VERY DILIGENTLY TO REINFORCE, REINSTATE THE HISTORIC STYLE OF THEIR PARTICULAR PROPERTIES. SO A DEVIATION SUCH AS THIS, WHERE WE ARE GOING INTO ARTS AND CRAFTS ELEMENTS LIKE THE, UM, THE SHINGLE SORT OF THAT FREEFORM SHINGLE, THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NECESSARILY THE CASE ON A VICTORIAN. THE COLUMNS WE'VE MENTIONED, THE TRIPLET OR THE TRIPTYCH WINDOW ON THE FRONT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FOLK VICTORIAN NOR THE DOORS. THAT TYPE OF DOOR ARRANGEMENT SIZE IN A FOLK VICTORIAN WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED. IF IT WERE A, UM, A QUEEN ANN OR ANOTHER TYPE OF VICTORIAN, IT WOULD'VE, BUT NOT WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE. SO THE ISSUE I HAVE IS ALL OF THE ELEMENTS, OH, AND THEN THERE'S SOME CONTEMPORARY, I LIKE TO CALL 'EM CONTEMPO, UM, THAT, UH, COME FROM ANOTHER SOURCE, ANOTHER INFLUENCE, WHILE IT IS PULLED TOGETHER AS A HOUSE. THIS IS A GREAT HOUSE FOR ANOTHER LOCATION CONSIDERING THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, THIS, UM, I, I WOULD, I REALLY STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THESE STYLISTIC ELEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND REINSTATE THOSE THAT TELL THE STORY OF THAT FOLK VICTORIAN. [01:20:05] UM, THAT'S THE BULK OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. YEAH. UH, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT ALSO THAT, UM, UM, AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A MISCOMMUNICATION AS WELL, UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT ACTUALLY HAS THE ORIGINAL DOOR, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, PART OF THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND SO THAT IS ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL DOOR. THIS IS A 19, THIS IS A, WHAT DID WE FIND UP? IT WAS A NINE EARLY 1,919 14TH. UH, WE FOUND DOCUMENTS HIDDEN INSIDE THE DOOR. THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR. THAT ONE, THAT WAS THE FRONT DOOR. YEAH. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT MY DRAWINGS, UH, THIS, I INITIALLY I WANTED TO INSTALL THAT, THAT ONE DOOR. SO, BUT IT WAS, UH, SORRY, IT WAS, UH, BUT IT HAD A, IT HAD A TRANSOM ABOVE, CORRECT? IT DOES, YEAH. YES, IT WAS, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL DOOR. YES. AND, AND, UH, I, WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE, UH, HOMEOWNER'S DAUGHTER, THEY STILL HAD PICTURES OF THAT HOUSE WAS WITH THIS ORIGINAL DOOR. PARENTS BOUGHT IT BACK 50, 60 YEARS AGO. SO THE SIZE, THE HEIGHT IS, IS NOT AS GRAND AS THE REPLACEMENT, CORRECT? UM, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THE TRANS, CORRECT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT'S THE, IT'S THE HEIGHT, THE THE DOUBLE THE DOUBLE DOOR WITHOUT THE TRANSOM. YEAH. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE HEIGHT IS THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE TRANSOM, BUT THE TRANSOM. RIGHT. SO, UM, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW, , I TRY TO DO EVERYTHING AS, UH, YOU KNOW, TRY TO KEEP IT AS HISTORICAL AS POSSIBLE. NONE OF THE FRONT WAS REMOVED. IN FACT, UH, THE ONLY ORIGINAL, AND THIS IS COMING BACK FROM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, THE ONLY ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE WAS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON YOUR RIGHT SIDE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE. EVERYTHING ELSE PAST THAT WAS ADDED IN THE, UH, EARLY EIGHTIES AND ANOTHER SECTION ON THE VERY FAR BACK WAS ADDED IN THE, UH, EARLY TWO THOUSANDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, WELL, GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL COMMENT ABOUT HAVING COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF, YEAH. UM, THEY CAN BE, THEY ARE THE STAFF. I MEAN, THEY ARE THE, THE SOURCE FOR THAT HISTORIC STYLING AND ELEMENTS. I, YOU KNOW, DUNNO WHAT YOU WERE USING FOR YOUR, UM, STYLISTIC REFERENCE, BUT STAFF HAS ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD SOURCE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS, BUT IF, IF THERE AREN'T, UM, I, I, I KIND OF FEEL THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M GATHERING FROM THIS APPLICANT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE, THERE'S A SENSE OF, UH, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, CON CONFUSION ON THE PART. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT SHOULD BE SHARED BETWEEN STAFF, BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND BE BETWEEN AND INCLUDING THIS COMMISSION. I THINK THE DIALOGUE ABOUT THE ROOF, RIGHT, THE, THE, THE ROOF FORM, THE IDEA THAT RIGHT NOW, UH, THE COMMENTARY IS THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A GABLE, AND THEN THE, THE COMMENT FROM THE APPLICANT IS THAT, WELL, I BROUGHT YOU A GABLE, AND THEN THE, IT CHECKS OFF IN, IN THE, IN THE COMMON DIALOGUE THAT WE HAVE THAT SAYS, WELL, UH, THE ADDITIONS TO SUBORDINATE ITSELF. AND THEN THE COMMENTS FROM EDWARD SAY THAT, YES, THOSE COMMENTS WERE MADE, AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET THIS ROOF FORM. NOW, IT'S NOT SO MUCH A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT IT IS OR IT ISN'T ONE SHAPE OR THE OTHER, BUT THE CLEAR, UM, EFFORT IN THE HONEST EFFORT ON THE PART OF THIS APPLICANT TO, TO INTERPRET, UNDERSTAND, AND CONSTRUCT, AS ALL OF YOU IN THE ARCHITECTURAL INDUSTRY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A, A START DATE AND AN END DATE AND, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIT EVERYTHING IN THERE THAT IS CLARIFIED FOR YOU IN THE BEST WAY THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT AND TO COME OUT WITH AN END RESULT. AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONFUSION IS APPARENT AND, AND I THINK THAT CONFUSION, IT, IT PRESCRIBES FAIRNESS. AND I THINK THE MOST FAIR, UH, OUTCOME WOULD BE THAT EVERYBODY ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHERE THEY MAY HAVE PLAYED A PART IN, IN, IN SPONSORING THIS CONFUSION AND THAT THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL OR NOTHING, UH, REALITY IS, IS JUST NOT REALITY. THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO YIELD TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAYBE IT'S THIS APPLICANT THAT WASN'T GIVEN THE FAIREST OPPORTUNITY TO COMPREHEND AND UNDERSTAND SUCH A COMPLEX, UM, SET OF QUALIFICATIONS. NOW, WITHIN THAT, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT HIS EFFORT TO, TO RETURN THIS BUILDING AS CLOSE TO AS IT, AS, AS HE COULD GET IT FROM THE [01:25:01] ALTERATIONS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE IN THE TWO THOUSANDS AND THE EIGHTIES, THAT THE END RESULT IS IN FRONT OF US. AND, AND THAT END RESULT WITH THE TESTIMONY OF THIS APPLICANT IN FRONT OF US, I, I THINK IT, IT WARRANTS OUR, UM, ABILITY TO AT LEAST ACCEPT WHERE, WHERE MAYBE WE MAY HAVE ALSO CONFUSED THE SITUATION IN CONCERT WITH OUR STAFF. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, IT WOULD JUST SEEM UNFAIR TO HAVE THIS APPLICANT WEIGH, UH, HAVE, HAVE THE BURDEN WEIGHED ON HIS SHOULDERS WHEN HE'S CLEARLY PROBABLY WOULD'VE DONE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANTED HIM TO DO IF WE HAD DRAWN IT FOR HIM. BUT OF COURSE, WE CAN'T DO THAT, RIGHT? SO I HOPE THAT THIS COMMISSION WILL ACT IN, IN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN A, IN A TOLERANCE FOR, FOR THAT APPARENT CONFUSION THAT I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, UH, WOULD AGREE THAT CONFUSION IS, HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED. AND, UH, WE, WE ALSO SHARE IN THAT, UH, CAUSE. THANK YOU. CAUSE THANK YOU, SIR. UH, EDWARD, COULD YOU REMIND THE COMMISSION WHAT, ON THE ADDITION, WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE C O A BACK IN SEPTEMBER? SO I'LL GO TO FINDING, UH, B I'LL READ THAT THE SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2022, OR EXCUSE ME, THIS SHOULD BE SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2020 H D R C HEARING THE H D R C APPROVED SIDING REPAIR, SHINGLE ROOF REPLACEMENT, PAINTING THE RE RECONSTRUCTION OF A SIDE EDITION, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION IN THE INSTALLATION OF A RIBBON STRIP DRIVEWAY MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR ROOF FORM WERE APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT O H P STAFF REVIEW THE MODIFICATION WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SIDE CARPORT AND FRONT SIDEWALK MODIFICATIONS WERE NOT APPROVED. UM, AND THEN WE ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER ON NOVEMBER THE NINTH OF LAST YEAR, UH, FOR VARIOUS SCOPES OF WORK. UH, THE MODIFICATIONS, THE REVISIONS TO THE PROPOSED DOCUMENTS WEREN'T SUBMITTED. UM, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, STAFF'S PREVIOUS COMMENT WAS THAT THE ADDITIONS PROPOSED ROOF MODIFICATION WAS APPROPRIATE, UH, WITH THE COMMENT THAT A TRADITIONALLY FORMED ROOF BE INSTALLED. UM, THAT'S WHAT WAS NEVER SUBMITTED. UM, AND IT'S SHOWN IN THE ADDITION THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHAT WAS LAST REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION WAS WHAT WAS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF STAFF JUST TO GET MY, MY HANDS AROUND THIS THING. UM, DO YOU CAN STAFF TELL ME WHAT THE INSTALLED DRIVEWAY WIDTH IS? UH, STAFF CAN'T THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO CLARIFY THE INSTALLED DRIVEWAY WIDTH. UM, AS NOTED IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE GUIDELINES. MR. OSORIO, COULD YOU, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU ANSWER THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY? UH, THE, UH, THE WIDTH 10 FEET, IS IT 10? THE 10 FEET IS THE PHOTO, IT APPEARS IT'S GOING PAST THE APRON, IT'S GOING PAST THE APRON IN THE PHOTO PASS AWAY. IS THAT AN ILLUSION? UH, NO, IT POSSIBLY COULD BE. AND, UH, IT STAFF COULD VERIFY IF THE APPLICANT'S AGREEING TO, UH, MAINTAINING 10 FEET IN WIDTH, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF COULD VERIFY ON SITE AND THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE WALKWAY, IT APPEARS THAT IT HAS BEEN WIDENED. AND STAFF, UH, EXPLAINED TO THE COMMISSION WHAT WAS CHANGED ON THE WALKWAY. UH, THE PREVIOUS WALKWAY WAS ONE THAT WAS, UM, AT IBEL. I'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS. UM, BUT IF I CAN REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE APPLICANT WANTED TO INSTALL A A PAVER SYSTEM. UM, WHAT'S BEEN INSTALLED IS A CONCRETE WALKWAY. UH, MR. OSORIO, DID YOU WANNA COMMENT? UM, YEAH, ACTUALLY THE, THE WALKWAY, RIGHT? NO, THE, THE WALKWAY, IT HAD A RAMP OVER IT AND SOIL WAS COVERING THE ORIGINAL WALKWAY. UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT BACK AT THE ORIGINAL PICTURES, UM, THE ACTUAL WALKWAY SEE THE, YOU CAN SEE THE, ONE OF THE STEPS, UH, IT'S LIKE, UH, WELL, YOU CAN SEE THAT, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WAS LEFT OF THAT. UH, BUT IF YOU GO BACK, UH, RIGHT UNDER THE, UM, THE FRONT DOOR THERE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT STEP RIGHT THERE, RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE IT JOINS THE, UH, THE RAMP IS ACTUALLY, UH, FOUR AND A HALF FOOT, UH, WIDE. SO WHEN WE UNCOVERED THE SOIL, WE COULD STILL SEE PIECES OF THE, I GUESS AT WHATEVER POINT AT THE TIME THEY DID THAT DRIVE, THAT WALKWAY, IT WAS WIDER. AND THEN HALF OF IT TOWARDS THE STREET WAS THE, UH, SLIMMER ONE, WHICH WAS ABOUT, [01:30:01] UH, THREE FEET. SO I, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WENT AHEAD AND KEPT THE ORIGINAL FROM, FROM THE BEGINNING. YEAH. SO IT'S, EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE THERE IS ACTUALLY OVERLAPPING THE ORIGINAL, UH, WALKWAY OR HALF OF THE ORIGINAL WALKWAY. HMM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IN THE FACT THAT, UH, THE ADDITION, UM, ROOF FORM IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, GUIDELINES. THE ADDED WINDOW ON THE FRONT PORCH, UNLESS THERE'S A BETTER PHOTO SHOWING THE FULL WIDTH HEADER, UH, WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE, THE HOUSE, UH, THE SHINGLES, THE, THE FENCING, THOSE COMMENTS BY STAFF, UM, THE PORCH COLUMNS AS WELL. UH, YES, THERE WAS A, AN A SUGGESTION OF A BASE FOR THE COLUMNS. UM, BUT WHAT HAS BEEN BUILT IS, I THINK, OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE, UH, HOUSE ITSELF. UM, THERE MAY BE OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE IS A, UH, A LARGER BASE ON THE COLUMN THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE, THAN THE, UH, STONE BASE THAT YOU'VE SHOWN HERE. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL, UM, I, I'LL JUST NOTE, UM, I'D JUST ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD PREFER A D R C SITE VISIT NEXT WEDNESDAY. UM, AND THEY SAID YES. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL HELP COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S TAKEN PLACE, ANY, OR IF THAT WILL, UH, POTENTIALLY DETERMINE, UH, YOUR MOTION AND DECISIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UH, BUT I KNOW IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS WE HAVE D R C SITE VISITS, UH, FOR CASES LIKE THIS. UM, AND IF THE COMMISSIONER, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION, UH, I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO IT. WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH RESPECT TO MY MOTION, LOOK, THIS IS A CONSTRUCTED BILL. THIS BUILDING IS BUILT, AND MY RATIONALE FOR THE MOTION IS NOT THAT IT'S ALREADY BUILT, BUT THAT IS A FACT, IT IS ALREADY BUILT WITH WITHIN THAT, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS, HOW IT GOT SO FAR, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S EVEN, IT'S EVEN QUESTIONABLE TO SAY THAT STAFF JUST STUMBLED ON THIS LOOKING AT THE FENCE, RIGHT? JUST PU PULLING ALL OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER THERE, THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF CONFUSION GOING ON AND, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT FACT FINDING AND WITH RESPECT TO THE PROCESS IS THE SAME THING AS THE CHARGE OF THE COMMISSION. SO TO GO OVER THERE AND DO A FACT FINDING MISSION THERE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF CONTRADICTIONS IN WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, IF NOT JUST THE PICTURE THAT'S IN THE, IN THE, THE, THE DISC DRIVE, I MEAN THE, UH, JUMP DRIVE THAT WAS GIVEN TO US. THAT'S, THAT'S THE IMAGE THAT SHOWS THE CONTRADICTION IN THE FRONT WINDOWS BECAUSE THE SIDING IS CLEARLY INCONSISTENT WITH ITSELF. SO YOU, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THAT CONTEXT, OKAY, FINE IN THE OLD PICTURE, BUT IN THE, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE NEW PICTURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT HE TEARS THE WINDOW OUT AND, AND RED REDOES IT W WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE CONFUSION. THAT IS, THAT IS, UM, APPARENT, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE ROOF BECAUSE WE MAY QUESTION HIS SINCERITY, BUT I SEVERELY, UH, UH, QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD HAVE THE, THE, THE FOREKNOWLEDGE TO KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS SAY THOSE THINGS ABOUT, UH, UM, MAKING THE, THE REAR ROOF FORMS SUBMIT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE PROMINENT FACADE OF THE, OF, OF A, OF, OF, OF THE STREET SIDE FACADE. SO WITHIN THAT CONTEXT, IT TELLS ME, HEY, THERE'S ENOUGH OF, OF, UM, CONFUSION TO GO AROUND TO SAY THAT WE MAY ALL SHARE IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. BUT I REALLY AM DRAWING FROM, FROM WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THIS APPLICANT, A, A VERY, WHAT I THINK IS A CREDIBLE SINCERITY. I MEAN, HE STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE ABOUT THE, HE STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE WITH RESPECT TO THE FISH SCALE SHINGLES, AND, AND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO. SO THE, THE, THE MOTION TO APPROVE IS, IS REALLY BASED ON, [01:35:01] UM, MY, UM, STRONG FEELING THAT THERE'S CONFUSION HERE, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE AT THE COST OF THE APPLICANT, AT THE COST OF THE CITIZEN. AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO EAT IT. AND, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THE OUTCOME DOES SHOW, YOU KNOW, A GOOD SENSE OF BALANCE. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING EGREGIOUS HERE THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK THAT MIGHT, UH, APPEASE THIS COMMISSION, I WOULD THINK IT'S WITH RESPECT TO THE COLUMNS AND THAT FISH SCALE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, EVEN STAFF SAID, LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ROOF FORMS ENDED UP BEING BECAUSE THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING, OR BECAUSE WE DID SAY WHAT WE SAID, IT'S, IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. SO IT DOES FOLLOW SOME RULES THAT SAY, HEY, THERE, THERE, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION THAT GOT ON HERE AND IT DID GET CONFUSED AND I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT TO ANYBODY IN RAKING, UH, THIS APPLICANT OVER THE COALS. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, DID YOU HAVE FURTHER? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YEAH, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A SITE VISIT TO FIND A REASONABLE WAY FORWARD. I THINK THERE IS A REASONABLE WAY FORWARD ON THIS, UH, WHERE SOME OF THESE ISSUES CAN BE DEALT WITH, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS SUITABLE LOCATION TO SORT, TO SORT THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND I'D BE SUPPORTING A SITE VISIT. UM, I, I CAN'T ACCEPT, UM, APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED, SO TO SPEAK, GIVEN, GIVEN THE, THE NUMBER OF THESE THINGS. BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY FORWARD FOLLOWING A SITE VISIT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE SUPPORTING. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND, AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS GOES. AND THEN, UM, SEE IF WE GET A CONSENSUS. GIVES IS ABSENT FISH, AY SAVINO, NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE. MORALES ABSENT MCA NAY CARPENTER, NAY GROUP. I'M GONNA ABSTAIN SINCE I, UH, CAME IN LATE ON THE CASE ES YES BET, SIR. NAYYY MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A SECOND MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR A SITE VISIT TO, UH, REVIEW THE CONDITIONS IN THE FIELD AND SEE IF THERE'S A PATH FORWARD AS, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER FISH SUGGESTS. THERE MAY BE. I'D LIKE TO SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MR. CHAIR? I'D, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION THOUGH IN DISCUSSION. I I, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, IF WE GO OUT TO A D R C, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE HOPING TO ACHIEVE SPECIFICALLY? I THINK WE'RE HOPING TO ACHIEVE A, A, UM, A REAFFIRMATION OF A PROCESS THAT THAT RESULTS IN SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY APPROPRIATE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. I THINK THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY DEVIATIONS AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, THE SINCERITY OF THE APPLICANT. YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT I THINK THIS APPLICANT IS SINCERE AND, AND HE, HE, I THINK HE'S GE GENERALLY WANTING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DO RIGHT BY THE, BY THE PROPERTY. AND IF THERE'S CONFUSION, THEN I THINK JUST PASSING THIS ON, SHRUGGING OUR SHOULDERS AND RAISING OUR HANDS UP IN THE AIR DOESN'T HELP TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE OF CONFUSION. I THINK A LITTLE MORE DIALOGUE AND PERHAPS THERE ARE WAYS IN WHICH, UH, THIS CAN BE, UH, BETTER MITIGATED, UH, THAN WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS. AND IT SEEMS LIKE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE, ARE NOT, UH, ACCEPTING OF, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE NOT ACCEPTING OF, OF WHAT THIS OUTCOME IS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. SO THAT, THAT'S MY, MY POSITION ON THIS. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE IS A NEED TO UPHOLD THE PROCESS AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, DIALOGUE WITH THE APPLICANT AND SEE IF WE CAN COME ARRIVE AT A BETTER CONCLUSION. THANK YOU. UH, FOR DISCUSSION, I WOULD ASK IS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO WILLING TO AMEND HIS, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE US LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR CASE FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT AND INCLUDE A SENIOR MEMBER OF THE STAFF, STARTING FROM HOW THIS WAS PRESENTED TO US, HOW WE WENT ABOUT IN OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS, UH, FROM THE STAFF STANDPOINT, AND THEN HOW WE VOTE LOOKED AT THIS, UH, BACK IN SEPTEMBER. UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF THE COMMUNICATION ISSUE IS THAT WE, WE LOOK AT OURSELVES INTERNALLY, UH, AS PART OF THIS. [01:40:01] I I WANNA SAY THAT YOU GUYS ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME BY ON, ON WEDNESDAY, TAKE A LOOK AT THE HOUSE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT, UH, WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN DONE IN THERE. UM, PROBABLY GET A BETTER VIEW THAN JUST SEEING THE PICTURES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, DO YOU WANNA ENTERTAIN THE AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION? I, YES, I GUESS I DID. NOT THAT IT WAS MY MOTION. YOUR MOTION? UH, YES. YEAH, CERTAINLY I THINK THERE, THERE WE CAN ALWAYS BE BETTER AT OUR, OUR GAME. AND, UM, AND I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETIMES THINGS THAT ARE DECIDED OR DISCUSSED IN A D R C OR EVEN IN THESE HEARINGS THAT, UM, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S FOLLOW, FOLLOW THROUGH AND UH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. SO I ACCEPT THAT AS AN AMENDMENT. DOES THE SECOND ACCEPT? YES, I ACCEPT. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH, AYE. SABINO AYE. VELASQUEZ NAY. UM, MORALE IS ABSENT. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP ABSTAIN. ANTES NAY, ZER AYE. AND IS ABSENT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND UH, STAFF WILL SCHEDULE THAT TIME WITH YOU AND UH, WE'LL MAKE A SITE VISIT OUT TO THE HOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 19, UM, COMMISSIONERS, ONE SECOND. UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEMS. WHAT, MR. MR. CHAIR, DO YOU THINK WE CAN, UH, HAVE MAYBE FIVE MINUTES? I NEED TO GET MY FILES UPDATED. I DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE LETTERS, UH, ON, ON MY, UH, ON MY DESKTOP HERE. ALRIGHT, WELL WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND IF STAFF WOULD HELP COMMISSIONERS UPDATE THEIR SCREENS, WE'LL DO THAT. AND THEN ACTUALLY BEFORE WE BREAK, JUST WANNA VERIFY THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH ITEM 29 AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT FOR TIME PURPOSES. OKAY. SO WE'LL DO THAT, THAT ITEM NEXT. IT'S BIGGER THAN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. IT'S BIGGER THAN THE, [01:45:45] I'M VERY CURIOUS. OKAY, ANYWAY, START THINKING ABOUT THAT. COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE'RE READY WHEN Y'ALL ARE. [01:51:39] I HAD LIKE TO CALL US BACK INTO ORDER AND WE'LL GO TO AGENDA ITEM 29 IF WE HAVE THE APPLICANT. SO HANNAH, CAN YOU READ THIS CASE INTO THE RECORD AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT PLEASE? SURE. THIS IS, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 29 H D R C CASE 20 22 1 15 DASH 1 53 3 0 3 DIVINE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN INWARD SWINGING CUTTLE FENCE STYLE AUTOMATIC VEHICLE GATE AT THE FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY IN THE REAR YARD. OOPS. UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE GATE IS COMPOSED OF WOOD OR WROUGHT IRON AND THAT THE FINAL GATE DESIGN IS SUBMITTED FOR STAFF TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO APPROVAL. UH, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, KYLE PEEBLES ON THE LINE. YES, MR. PEEBLES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MUTE. OKAY, THERE I GO. I CAN, YES, I'M HERE. GREAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR CASE OR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, YES. UH, A COMMENT IS THAT THE WIRE GATE THAT'S THERE IS VERY SIMILAR TO MANY OF OTHER WIRE GATES THAT ARE SIMILAR. I HAVE A LIST OF VERY SIMILAR WIRE GATES THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHIN A THREE BLOCK RADIUS. I CAN LIST THOSE. UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, IF YOU COULD GIVE US A COUPLE OF THE ADDRESSES AND THEN, UH, STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO PULL THOSE UP. GOOGLE IMAGES? YES. 4 0 7 DIVINE. A WIRE, UH, UH, GATE SIMILAR TO MINE WITH A METAL FRAME. THEN THERE'S ALSO AT 2 0 9 SADIE, A WOOD FRAME WIRE GATE AT 2 1 3 LAY STREET, A WIRE GRATE METAL FRAME, ONE 40 CALLAHAN WIRE GRATE METAL FRAME, AND THEN ACROSS FROM 2 0 6 LAVACCA, A WOOD FRAME WIRE GRATE. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH? YES, SIR. UM, I WILL NOTE THAT CATTLE PANEL FENCING IN LAVACCA IS FAIRLY COMMON AND IT IS A, A STYLE THAT WE'VE APPROVED BEFORE. HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE FRAME THAT HE'S PROPOSING. IS, IS THE FRAME, UH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE FRAME OF THE GATE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A TUBE TUBE STEEL THAT'S BENT. I BELIEVE IT IS A TUBE STEEL THAT IS BENT CORRECT. THAT, THAT IS, THAT'S A LESS COMMON CONFIGURATION FOR CATTLE PANEL FENCES. TYPICALLY THE CATTLE PANEL FENCES THERE HAVE A, IT'S STOCK STEEL SQUARE, SQUARE SHAPED STEEL OR, OR, UH, CATTLE PANEL ON WOOD. SO HAVE SOME, SOME RESERVATION ABOUT THE FRAME MORE THAN I DO THE, THE CATTLE PANEL INFILL. UNDERSTOOD. UH, MR. FISH, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE CATTLE FRAMING, THIS IS A SOLID PIECE SO IT'S LESS LIKELY TO SAG AND, OR, UH, RUST ET CETERA THAN, UH, A, A NON-G GALVANIZED METAL FENCE. I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE, THE TYPE OF, THE TYPE OF FRAME IS MORE CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE HURRICANE FENCES THAT ARE IN THE, [01:55:01] IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST NOT THIS CONFIGURATION. BUT I'LL, I'LL YIELD TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR THOUGHTS. UM, MR. CHAIR, I THINK PART, PART OF THE, UH, CONFUSION IS WHAT, WHAT'S BEFORE US IS, UM, OR THE IMAGE THAT THAT IS PRESENTED, UH, IN THE DRAWING FORM IN LAKA. THERE ARE CATTLE PANEL FENCES THAT WE'VE, UH, APPROVED, BUT I THINK IT'S 'CAUSE WE CALL 'EM CATTLE PANEL FENCES. THAT'S A CATTLE PANEL FENCE, THAT'S A CATTLE FENCE. THIS UM, I GUESS IT'S THAT GALVANIZED TUBE STEEL THAT YOU'VE, THAT THEY USE ON THE RANCHES. SO THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION IN TERMS OF US USING THE TERM CATTLE PANEL LOOSELY. UM, AND A REAL CATTLE PANEL FENCE, THAT'S A REAL CATTLE PANEL FENCE. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR MR. PEEBLES, UM, OR EVEN COMMISSIONER FISH SINCE HE'S MOST FAMILIAR WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. ARE THERE EXAMPLES OF WOODEN FENCES WITH OPEN WIRE GATES OR DOES THE TYPE OF GATE TYPICALLY MATCH THE FENCING? I MEAN, I'M GONNA GO OUT ON LIMB AND SAY YES. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'VE MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION. THE TYPE OF WELDED WIRE MESH YOU SEE IS COMMON, BUT USUALLY IT'S ALSO WITH EITHER A METAL OR WOOD FRAME. SO THIS, AND WHEN I SAY METAL, I MEAN KIND OF A SQUARED OFF METAL AS IT'S BEEN APPROVED IN SOME CASES. USUALLY IT'S A WOOD FRAME THAT IS APPROVED. OKAY, THANK YOU. MR. PEEBLES, DO YOU KNOW IF, UM, VERTICAL WOOD BOARDS COULD BE SECURED TO THIS UH, GATE? UH, YES. THEY COULD BE. THERE WOULD JUST APPLE BE TO A WEIGHT CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF THE SWING ARM FENCE. OKAY, MR. CARPENTER? YES. COULD YOU, UH, COULD STAFF GO TO, UM, IMAGE PAGE NUMBER 14 FOR A SECOND? YEAH, AND IF YOU ZOOM IN TO THE, THE, THE FENCE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THAT TRASH RECEPTACLE THERE, SO I, THIS IS MORE WHAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH IN THAT AREA. AND, UM, AND WHILE WE REFER TO THE CATTLE PANEL GATE OR PADDLE CATTLE CATTLE PANEL FENCE, FOR ME THAT'S MORE ABOUT THE, THAT SORT OF, UH, RECTILINEAR GRID. UH, BUT THE, THE FRAME ITSELF THAT'S SHOWN HERE IS IT'S A SQUARE TUBE SECTION RATHER THAN SORT OF A MORE OF A STOCK RANCH GATE TYPE OF THING THAT IS, IS BEING PROPOSED. UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE ACCEPTING OF THAT? 'CAUSE THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE GALVANIZED AND THAT IS CERTAINLY WILL NOT SAG. THAT'S A, THAT'S A STURDY, UH, UH, PRODUCT, BUT IT'S MUCH MORE CONSISTENT WITH SORT OF MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL RATHER THAN A RANCH VERNACULAR. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, POINT OUT THAT THE STYLE IS FAIRLY SAME EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THE ACTUAL TUBING HOLDING THE WIRE FENCE IS ROUND VERSUS SQUARE. YEAH, THAT'S MY POINT. AND, UH, THE, I'M SAYING THAT THE SQUARE IS MORE TYPICAL IN, IN MY MIND, AT LEAST OF WHAT IS IN THE LE BACA AREA. WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTING TO YOU THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE DURABLE. UH, IT WOULDN'T SAG. IT'S, IT'S GOT A LIGHT PROFILE TO IT, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S UH, UH, VISUAL, UH, VISUALLY OBNOXIOUS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? UH, UNDERSTOOD ON THAT? I JUST WOULD SAY THAT IT SEEMS RATHER ARBITRARY THAT IT'S ROUND VERSUS SQUARE. WELL, IT'S, MY POINT IS THAT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE SQUARE IS MORE A PERVASIVE, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT ARBITRARY, IT'S JUST BASED UPON WHAT YOU SEE AND WHAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED YOURSELF IN THIS PACKAGE. NO, UNDERSTOOD ON THAT, SIR. UH, BUT I'LL SAY ALSO, I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CHAIN LINK FENCES THAT WE HAVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THOSE ARE USING ROUNDED, UH, POSTS, ROUNDED, UH, UH, CROSSBARS, ALL THAT IS ROUNDED. RIGHT. AND WE GENERALLY DON'T APPROVE NEW CHAIN LINK FENCES THOUGH. THANK YOU. UNDERSTOOD. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP? YES, MA'AM. AND I WAS WANTING TO ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SINCE I THINK HE'S GOING TOWARDS A MOTION ALSO, WOULD YOU ALSO, I WOULD SAY MOST COMMONLY IN LA VACA IS THAT THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP BAR. THERE'S NOT LIKE AN OPEN SPACE. YEAH, WELL I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SIZE FENCES ON THERE, SO I MEAN, THERE'S ONE ON THE LEFT IS GONNA MATCH UP, UH, WITH THE TOP OF IT, BUT THEN ONE ON THE RIGHT WILL NOT MATCH UP. [02:00:04] OKAY. I NEED TO GET THAT EXPLAINED. UM, COMMISSIONER GRU, UH, WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THE PATTERN OF THE OPEN AND THE INFILL AND AMONG THE, UH, DIFFERENT SEGMENTS, CORRECT? CORRECT. AGREED. THAT'S UNUSUAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR DO WE HAVE, UH, FIRST OF ALL, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? I'M SORRY, THERE ARE NO COMMENTS OR VOICEMAIL FOR THIS CASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL SEE IF THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THIS. UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE ADDITION, UH, TO STAFF STIPULATION THAT A SQUARE TUBE, UH, METAL FRAME WOULD ALSO BE ACCEPTABLE. I'LL SECOND THAT. UH, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, CAN WE JUST ADD THAT A FINAL DESIGN SENT TO STAFF PRIOR TO PURCHASE OR INSTALLATION? THAT AS AN OUTSTANDING SUGGESTION AND I AMEND MY MOTION ACCORDINGLY. I'LL ALSO SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH. AYE. SINA AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. MORALES IS ABSENT. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES, THAT SIR. AYE. AND THE PHONE IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 19. AGENDA ITEM 19, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 15 NINE. ADDRESS 2 22 WIX. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH, A NON-ORIGINAL TWO-STORY REAR EDITION, AND TWO, CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO-STORY REAR EDITION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH L STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE, THAT THE REAR EDITION BE DECONSTRUCTED VERSUS MECHANICALLY DEMOLISHED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A COMPREHENSIVE SALVAGE AND REUSE PLAN TO STAFF PRIOR TO APPROVAL AND A PARTIAL DEMOLITION PERMIT BEING ISSUED. TWO, THAT THE ADDITION BE SET BACK FURTHER FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND INCORPORATE A CLEAR TRANSITION FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE SUCH AS A CONNECTOR ELEMENT, A STEP ROOF LINE THAT TRANSITIONS FROM ONE TO TWO STORIES OR ANOTHER METHOD OF TRANSITION THAT MINIMIZES THE ADDITIONS VISUAL AND STRUCTURAL IMPACT. AS NOTED ON IN FINDINGS, F I AND J, A ROOF PLAN SHOULD BE SUBMITTED THAT CLEARLY INDICATES HOW THE NEW ADDITION WILL AFFECT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE'S EXISTING ROOF LINE THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS ROOF LINE BE MODIFIED TO REDUCE THE VISUAL IMPACT ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS NOTED IN FINDINGS F I AND J AND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS. AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT JASON MORAN ON THE LINE AND THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET AND WE DO HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE. MR. MOORE, ARE YOU THERE? UH, YES. HELLO? UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. GREAT. HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING THIS AFTERNOON? UM, SO, UH, THE, UM, PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, UM, 2 2 2 WIX IS WITH AN EXISTING, UH, HISTORIC HOME THAT HAS, UH, AN EXISTING, UM, REAR ADDITION. UM, JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS ONE BY ONE. SO THE, THE REAR ADDITION IS CURRENTLY, UM, NOT BEING COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED. IT IS BEING, UM, DECONSTRUCTED. UM, AT THIS POINT IT'S, IT'S, UM, BEEN TAKEN TO STUDS AND IT'S BEING SHORED UP, UH, IN, ITS IN ITS CURRENT STATE. UM, UH, LEMME SHARE THE REAR ADDITION. SO, SO OUR, OUR PLAN IS TO NOT FULLY DEMOLISH IT, BUT TO KEEP IT IN PLACE AND, AND UTILIZE THE STRUCTURE THAT'S THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. UM, THE, UH, ROOF LINE IN THE ELEVATIONS, YOU CAN SEE WE IN, IN KEEPING THE ADDITION KIND OF IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION, WE ADDED A STEPPED ELEMENT, UM, UH, KIND OF A A, A STEPPED ROOF, IF YOU WILL, TO, TO BE ABLE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS MAXIMIZE [02:05:01] THE CEILING HEIGHT, UM, AND GET USABLE, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THAT, THAT EXISTING ADDITION THAT'S THERE. SO, UM, WE, WE ADDED A STEPPED ROOF, UM, AND, AND INCREASE THE, THE HEIGHT OF THAT EXISTING ADDITION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT, UM, USABLE, UM, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M READING THESE POINTS AS I'M SPEAKING. UM, WE DO AGREE THAT WE, WE, ON THE WINDOW, UM, UH, STIPULATIONS, WE WILL SUBMIT A, A WINDOW PACKAGE, UM, FOR, UH, THAT REPRESENTS THE HISTORIC WINDOW PROFILES PRIOR TO PURCHASING AN INSTALLATION, UM, AS WELL AS THE MATERIAL INFORMATION, UH, PRIOR TO INST INSTALLATION. UM, UH, AND, AND YES, WE, WE WILL AGREE WITH THESE SETBACKS, UH, REQUIRED, UH, BY THE, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UM, AGAIN, WE WILL SUBMIT A WINDOW SCHEDULE PRIOR AND, UM, AND A D AND A DETAILED, UH, RAILING DRAWING FOR THE FRONT OF THAT OF THE HOUSE. I ALSO HAVE ON THE, ON THE LINE, UH, I BELIEVE HE'S ON, UM, NANDO, UM, UH, PRESIDENT ON THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL SHOULD BE ON MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST YES, SIR. QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF, HAS THIS GONE TO A D R C? IT HAS NOT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, TO, TO THAT POINT, I THINK SOME STAFF'S, UM, COMMENTS ARE RIGHT ON AND, AND, UH, I SHARE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND I THINK THERE'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD DESERVE A, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, HEARING, AND I WOULD, I WILL STRIVE TO BE THERE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WOULD THIS BE IN PERSON? I FEEL LIKE BASED ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THAT PROBABLY PERSON BEING WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. UH, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ACCEPTED STIPULATION ONE AND FOUR AND BASICALLY I THINK TWO AND THREE, WHICH GROUP FORM IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PRIMARILY. I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER GRU, YOU WERE BREAKING IN AND OUT. WERE YOU ASKING IS THAT AN IN-PERSON ON SITE D R C? YES. IF IT COULD BE IN PERSON D R C I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. YEAH, I CONCUR. I, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS A VERY TIGHT SITE AND I THINK THAT WILL HELP GIVE US APPRECIATION FOR THE, UH, CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE FACING WITH THE DESIGN. SO I WOULD MOVE FOR A D R C AND ONSITE VISIT, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I SECOND THAT. OKAY. WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL, I BELIEVE. MM-HMM. ? YEAH. UM, WE HAVE THREE VOICEMAILS, SO I'M GONNA PLAY THOSE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THEM ON THE RECORD. THIS IS NANCY DEAL, 4 22 ADAMS STREET CASE 2022 DASH 1 33. 2 22. WIX, I STRONGLY OPPOSE GRANTING THE APPLICANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FIVE YEARS AGO. H D R C CASE 2017 DASH 1 59 REQUIRED THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF 2 22 WICKS TO CORRECT UNAPPROVED AND INAPPROPRIATE CHANGES TO FOUR FRONT WINDOWS AND RE-INSTALLED THEM. INSTEAD, SHE INSTALLED SMALL VINYL WINDOWS. SHE THEN CLAIMED THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE NOT SALVAGEABLE AND PUT THE CURRENT WINDOWS OF THE WRONG SIZE AND PROFILE AND LEFT SEVERAL WINDOW HOVE OPEN, INCLUDING ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE. IN FULL VIEW OF THE STREET, CORRECTLY SIZED WINDOWS WERE NEVER REINSTALLED. THE HOUSE REMAINED UNSECURED, UNINHABITED, AND DETERIORATING UNTIL SHE SOLD IT IN NOVEMBER, 2012, 21. WHEN THE CURRENT INVESTORS PURCHASED 2 22 WIX LAST NOVEMBER, THE LISTING MADE NO MENTION OF HISTORIC DISTRICT OR OF ANY OUTSTANDING CASES. IN FACT, IT'S STATED IN CAPITAL LETTERS IN BOLD. AND I QUOTE, THIS HOME IS READY FOR YOUR VERY OWN CREATION, NO LIMIT, CLEAN SLATE. WHILE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE CURRENT OWNERS WERE NOT INFORMED ABOUT THE EXISTING CASE, IT WAS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO LEARN AND FOLLOW THE CITY'S RULES FOR PERMITS AND APPROVALS AND A HISTORIC DISTRICT. ADDITIONALLY, WORK CONTINUED FOR WEEKS AFTER THEY WERE INFORMED THEY NEEDED TO GET APPROVAL THROUGH LAST SATURDAY, MARCH 12TH, THEY HAD ALREADY REMOVED AN [02:10:01] ENTIRE DUMPSTER FULL OF MATERIAL FROM THE SITE. THE OWNER AND CONTRACTOR SHOULD NOT BE EXCUSED OR REWARDED FOR UNETHICAL ACTIONS, PARTICULARLY AFTER BEING REPORTED TO 3 1 1 BY NEIGHBORS REPEATEDLY. I URGE CLOSE MONITORING OF THE PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT THE H DRCS DECISIONS ARE FOLLOWED AND NO FURTHER UNAPPROVED DESTRUCTION OR CONSTRUCTION TAKES PLACE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE SECOND. WE'RE RESTARTING THE, THE PROGRAM. MY NAME IS MICHELLE MONSO AND I LIVE AT 2 2 6 WIX 7 8 2 1 0. I'M CALLING TO VOICE AN OBJECTION TO CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 1 5 9 4. STEPHANIE, WHAT'S HAPPENING? THAT'S JUST LIKE CRASHING. YES. SO WE'RE WAITING TO SEE. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHILE WE'RE PULLING THIS UP? YES, SIR. UM, IS THERE A STOP WORK ORDER ON THE PROJECT DUE TO THE DEMOLITION? NO, THERE IS CURRENTLY NOT A STOP WORK ORDER ON THE PROPERTY. WAS THERE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION OR DECONSTRUCTION? NOT AT THIS TIME. THE UM, OH, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE MR. UH, UH, LOPEZ WOULD LIKE TO BE UNMUTED. UM, I BELIEVE THE OWNER'S GOTTEN, UM, REPAIR PERMITS, UM, FOR THE PROJECT AND WAS, AND WAS SHORING UP THE, UM, THE FOUNDATION, UM, REPLACING STRUCTURAL, UH, POST AND, AND FOOTING OR BEAMS, UH, FOR THE FOUNDATION AND, UM, REPAIRING THE, THE SIDING THAT WAS KIND OF DILAPIDATED AND, AND, UH, ROTTEN. SO I, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE WORK THAT WAS, UH, UH, GOING ON ON THE PROJECT. JASON, WHAT IS THE OWNER'S NAME? UH, ROON LOPEZ. ALRIGHT, I GOT HIM. MY NAME IS MICHELLE MONSO AND I LIVE AT 2 2 6 WIX RESPONSIBILITY. AND MY NAME IS MICHELLE MONSO AND I LIVE AT 2 2 6 WIX 7 8 2 1 0. I'M CALLING TWO VOICE AND OBJECTION TWO CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH. I'M OBJECTING TO THE CURRENT PLANS THE INVESTOR DEVELOPER FROM CALIFORNIA HAS FOR THIS HOME, THE H D R C HEARING FOR THIS HOUSE. UH, I'M SORRY. I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING DEMO TO THE HOUSE FOR MONTHS WITHOUT PERMITS. IT'S NOW COMPLETELY DOWN TO THE STUDS WITH NO APPROVALS TO DO SO. THEY'RE DOING DEMO WORK NOW. AS I SPEAK TO YOU ON SATURDAY, MARCH 12TH. THEIR GARBAGE FROM THE DEMO IS NOT CLEANED UP, BLOWS INTO MY YARD. I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY CLEARLY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORS OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY'VE LEFT THE HOUSE COMPLETELY OPEN WITH EVEN THE FRONT DOOR WIDE OPEN FOR DAYS AGAINST THE REQUIREMENT TO SECURE THE PROPERTY. IT HAS ATTRACTED PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, AND I FEEL MY FAMILY'S SAFETY IS COMPROMISED BECAUSE OF ITS DEVELOPER'S IRRESPONSIBILITY AND FLOUTING OF THE HISTORICAL RULES. I FEEL THAT THESE SHOULD BE NUMEROUS STRIKES AGAINST THEM AND THEIR REQUESTS FOR THE REMODEL. MY OBJECTIONS TO THE PLAN ARE THE DEMOLITION OF THE ORIGINAL TWO-STORY BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOW DOWN TO STUDS AND LOOKS PERFECTLY FINE TO BE RENOVATED INSTEAD OF DEMOLISHED IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM AND FOOTPRINT. THEY REMOVED THE ORIGINAL SIDING THAT MATCHED THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AS WELL. WITHOUT APPROVAL, THEY SHOULD NOT DEMOLISH THE BACK. THEY SHOULD RENOVATE IT USING THE HEIGHT, FORM AND EXTERIOR APPEARANCE. THAT'S ORIGINAL HISTORICAL AND IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE ON THE BLOCK. UH, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS FULLY ATTACHED TO THE FRONT. I'M QUESTIONING, I'M WONDERING IF THE H E R C CAN GO BACK IN AND LOOK AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOT ORIGINAL BECAUSE THE WOMAN WHO LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT HER WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE AND DIED A FEW YEARS AGO SAID THAT IT WAS SO, UH, THE NEW ADDITION WILL CHANGE THE ROOF LINE AND WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. [02:15:01] IN ADDITION, THE 200 BLOCK OF WICK IS COMPRISED OF SINGLE-STORY HOMES IN A LARGE TWO-STORY EDITION THAT DOES NOT FOLLOW THE ORIGINAL SCALE, IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE EXISTING HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE BLOCK. THIS DEVELOPER SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE BACK OF THE HOUSE LOWER IN HEIGHT SO IT CANNOT BE SEEN FROM STREET VIEW. THEY SHOULD ALSO BE REQUIRED TO CLEAN UP THEIR GARBAGE THAT'S LITTERING EVERYWHERE. THE PREVIOUS OWNER TOOK OUT ALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND REPLACED THEM BY CHANGING THE ORIGINAL HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS AND INSTALLED NEW ONES WHICH ARE STILL THERE. IF THE NEW DEVELOPER WANTS TO PUT NEW WINDOWS IN, THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO DIVERT, REVERT THE WINDOW SIZES TO THEIR ORIGINAL HISTORICAL SIZE. THANK YOU. GOOD DAY. MY NAME IS MARIA VANESSA SABRIA AND I LIVE AT 2030 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE. I'M CALLING WITH REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 21 ON YOUR AGENDA. OKAY, THAT'S IT MR. CHAIR. I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE, I GUESS IT'S JASON. LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS BASED ON THE CITIZEN, UH, VOICEMAILS. HI, UH, COMMISSION. MY NAME IS HANON LOPEZ. I AM THE OWNER, NOT A DEVELOPER. I'M ACTUALLY FROM SAN ANTONIO. UM, WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS HOME TO BE OUR FAMILY HOME. YES, I AM CURRENTLY IN CALIFORNIA, BUT I'M NOT A DEVELOPER FROM CALIFORNIA. WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN ORDER TO MAKE IT A FAMILY HOME FOR MYSELF AND MY CHILDREN. UM, I, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I TOOK OUT A GENERAL REPAIR PERMIT IN ORDER TO BEGIN TO CLEAN OUT THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY WAS LEFT IN BAD CONDITION. WE'VE BEEN CLEANING OUT THE INSIDE OF THE HOME. UM, WE CLEANED OUT THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOME. YES, WE TOOK OUT A LOT OF TRASH AND UM, WE'RE GONNA PUT ANOTHER DUMPSTER IN THERE, TAKE OUT THE REST OF THE TRASH THAT'S THERE. BUT IN NO OR FORM ARE WE TRYING TO SKIRT ANY RESPONSIBILITY. UM, WHICH IS WHY WE HIRED JASON IN ORDER TO WORK WITH US TO REDEVELOP THIS HOME. WHEN WE DID BUY, IT WAS HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SECOND UNIT, WHICH WAS PART OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE WERE HOPING TO USE, UM, AS WE BEGAN TO REMODEL THE HOME. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR I AM FROM SAN ANTONIO. I THAT AS A, UH, SOME FOREIGNER THAT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ILLEGITIMATE IN, IN, IN MY CITY. UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO REFURBISH AND REHAB THIS HOME, INCLUDING PUTTING THE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT SIDING THAT WAS ON THE BACK WAS FALLING OFF. THERE WAS NO ORIGINAL SIDING. THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD REMOVED THE PORCH THAT WAS BACK THERE. UM, THERE WAS RANDOM PIECES OF WOOD THAT WERE BEING HELD TOGETHER, UM, ON THAT BACK PORTION. SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THIS IS A PROCESS AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO WORK WITH YOU TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND, AND DO IT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. LOPEZ. UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES. UM, JASON MORRAN. I GOT SOME, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU WITH RESPECT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE STAFF. YES, SIR. UM, IT, IT'S TO, TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE THE MOST, UM, UH, IMPORTANT OF THE FOUR WITH RESPECT TO THE DESIGN IS, UM, THE NUMBER TWO THAT TALKS ABOUT THE ADDITION SETBACK. NOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE YOU MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE SETBACK, BUT THAT THAT TERM THERE ISN'T ABOUT SETBACKS THAT TERM THERE IS MORE ABOUT THE ARTICULATION BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THOUGH, THE DETAIL THAT HAS JUST COME OUT, THAT THAT ADDITION IS ALREADY THERE. SO YOU WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO BUILD IN, UH, YOU KNOW, A REVEAL OF SOME TYPE. RIGHT. WHETHER WHATEVER SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, RIGHT. OR THAT IN, IN REALITY IS EXACTLY AS IT IS NOW BECAUSE, UM, IT'S EXISTING. UH, ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT POINT NUMBER TWO, UH, TO BE WITH RESPECT TO THE WAY THE TWO BUILDINGS TOUCH EACH OTHER, THE, THE OLD AND THE NEW TOUCH EACH OTHER? OR ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING THAT TO MEAN SETBACK AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPERTY LINE? I, I UN I UNDERSTAND. UM, UH, YES SIR. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT, THAT HAVING IT SET BACK FROM THE, FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT COMMENT. OKAY, FANTASTIC. 'CAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF WAYS TO ACHIEVE THAT. UM, I THINK THAT, THAT MOVING TOWARD THE, THE, THE SITE VISIT, RIGHT, THE D R C, THE DESIGN RE REVIEW COMMITTEE, THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SPACE FOR A, A GOOD PLACE FOR CONVERSATION SO THAT THAT ITEM TOO IS, IS TOUCHED ON. AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS ROOF LINE, UH, THAT CAN BE A CONVERSATION THAT THAT CAN BE VERY LENGTHY. SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD [02:20:01] BE WELL WORTH YOU VISITING YOUR, YOUR PLATE HEIGHTS AND, AND JUST, UH, KIND, KIND OF EXPERIMENTING IN YOUR MIND ABOUT HOW YOU DEAL WITH, UM, THE IDEA THAT THE MOST PROMINENT FACADE FROM THE STREET VIEW WOULD BE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AND THAT SOMEHOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A, IT'S A BIT OF A PROBLEM THAT, THAT, UM, THAT WE CAN SEE IN THE DRAWING THAT'S ON THE, ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT WITH YOUR CRAFT AND SKILL THAT YOU, YOU, YOU, UM, UH, BE PREPARED WITH A CONVERSATION TO DISCUSS THE, THE, UH, UH, SUBORDINATION OF THAT, OF THAT, OF THAT ROOF LINE, OR AT LEAST WITH A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR WHY YOU FEEL THAT IT'S NECESSARY. UH, OUTSIDE OF THAT, I, I THINK THAT STAFF'S COMMENTS ARE, ARE, UH, VERY FORWARD AND, UH, COMMEND STAFF ON, ON THE THOUGHTFULNESS OF THOSE COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. MS. COMMISSIONER FISH. THANK YOU. UM, I WOULD, UH, CAUTION THE, UH, OWNER, UH, ON MAKING ALTERATIONS OR REMOVE, CONTINUING TO REMOVE EXTERIOR SIDING, UH, WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION OR THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. AND I WOULD ASK STAFF THAT IF THEY FIND THAT THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK HAS EXCEEDED GENERAL REPAIRS PERMIT, THAT THEY CONSIDER A STOP WORK ORDER UNTIL THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED. AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR, UH, SENDING THIS TO A D R C SITE VISIT. ANY OTHER, IF THAT WAS A MOTION, I'LL SECOND. IT WAS A MOTION OR? YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIVES US ABSENT FISH. AYE. AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. UM, MORALE ABSENT? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES, THAT SIR. AYE. AND IS ABSENT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, GENTLEMEN. STAFF WILL BE GETTING WITH YOU TO SCHEDULE THAT, UH, D R C SITE VISIT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 36 4 21 BE NAP. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, DECONSTRUCT THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. TWO. CONSTRUCT A NEW DETACHED GARAGE AND THREE, REPLACE ALL EXISTING WOOD SIDING ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH NEW WOOD SIDING TO MATCH AND PROFILE AND DIMENSION ITEMS ONE AND TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DECONSTRUCTED VERSUS DEMOLISHED AND THAT THE EXISTING SIDING IS SALVAGED WHERE POSSIBLE TO BE REUSED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION. TWO, THAT ANY NEW SIDING INSTALLED MATCHES EXISTING AND MATERIAL DIMENSION AND PROFILE BASED ON FINDING F THREE. THAT THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE SALVAGED AND INSTALLED IN THE RECONSTRUCTED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING F FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS. FIVE. THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOORS OR GARAGE DOORS WITH THE DESIGN THAT MIMICS WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT FAUX WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE. A FINAL SPECIFICATION MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ITEM THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WHOLESALE WOOD SIDING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING H THE RETENTION OF ORIGINAL SIDING SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED OVER REPLACEMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RESTORE THE EXISTING SIDING AND PATCH SELECTIVELY WHERE REQUIRED WITHIN KIND OF MATERIAL. THIS SCOPE OF WORK IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE SIDING. REPLACEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD SIDING TO MATCH THE EXISTING SIDING AND PROFILE AND DIMENSION. THE APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE CUSTOM MILLED SAMPLES TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL TO VERIFY THAT THE EXISTING, THAT THE SIDING IS AN EXACT MATCH PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THE APPLICANT AND HOMEOWNER ARE HERE IN PERSON. HELLO? HI THERE, I'M DAVE ISAACS. I'M REPRESENTING THE HOMEOWNERS QUESTIONS. UH, I GUESS DO YOU, UM, UNDERSTAND AND AND CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY [02:25:01] HAVE RECOMMENDED? NO, WE HAD A SITE VISIT AND UM, WE AGREE WE, WE DID THE DRAWINGS TO, UM, TO MATCH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COUNCIL THAT CAME OUT. OKAY. UM, AND TO CLARIFY FOR ITEM THREE, WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF THE SIDING ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE? I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S WORTH THE ARGUMENT. UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, AS, AS FAR AS ITEM THREE GOES FAR AS ITEM THREE GOES, WE'VE GOT A MIXED MATCH OF SIDINGS ON THE HOUSE AND, UM, A LOT OF IT'S IN POOR CONDITION AND THERE'S SOME, SOME SORT OF COATING ON IT THAT YOU, IT WON'T COME OFF. IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULD PUT IN A TRUCK BEDLINER. UM, IT DOESN'T COME OFF. AND SO, UM, THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE AND HAVE CUSTOM MILLED SIDING TO MATCH THE SIDING THAT IS THE MAJORITY THAT'S ON THE HOUSE AND OVERLAY IT OVER THE EXISTING SIDING AND OVERLAY THE WINDOWS TRIMS SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS EVER REPLACED OTHER THAN JUST BEING STRAIGHT AND SMOOTH AGAIN AND REPAINTED. UM, WE'VE USED SIDING, HAD SIDING CUSTOM MILLED BEFORE IN THE PAST AND WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT A HUGE UNDERTAKING. UM, IT WOULD IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE FOR SURE. IT JUST, IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD LOOK CURRENTLY IT'S IN BAD SHAPE. YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE, EVEN THE LITTLE SAMPLE PATCH OF PAINT, IT JUST MADE IT LOOK EVEN WORSE. IT, IT KIND OF DREW OUT THE IMPERFECTIONS. I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SEE HOW THE TEXTURE IS ON THESE THINGS, BUT IT, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE RHINO LINER THAT WAS PUT FLAG TO THE HOUSE AT SOME POINT. IT DOESN'T COME OFF, SO. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. OH, I'M SORRY. IT'S ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKET. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I DID ATTEND THE SITE VISIT AND, UM, IN REFERENCE TO THE WOOD SIDING ON THE MAIN HOUSE, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THE WOOD AT ONE TIME MAY HAVE BEEN SANDBLASTED AND THEN POSSIBLY ELASTOMERIC COATING OR SOMETHING, UH, PAINTED OVER IT. UH, THERE WERE SOME SPLIT BOARDS AND, UH, SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, I DIDN'T SEE A, A GREAT AMOUNT OF ROT AND, UM, ADDING SIDING ON TOP OF EXISTING SIDING AND THEN ADDING OR, UH, BUILDING OUT THE WINDOW FRAMES AND ALL THAT, UM, I THINK WE START LOSING SOME OF THE, UH, CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE, UH, WITH THE OVERHANG AND, AND THAT, SO, UM, AT THIS POINT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT OVERLAYING WITH, EVEN IF YOU MATCH THE PATTERN OR THE PROFILES, UH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT THE OTHER STIPULATIONS ON THE ACCESSORY BUILDING YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YES, MS. SINO. UM, I WAS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE AT THE SITE VISIT AND I THINK THE, UM, THE TRANSFORMATION THAT YOU'VE MADE ON THE, THE GARAGE OR THE SECONDARY OR THE ACCESSORY UNIT IS QUITE GOOD. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ABOUT IT. UM, AND THIS MAY BE MORE OF A JUST A TECHNICAL WRITING, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOORS OR GARAGE DOORS WITH A DESIGN THAT MIMICS WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT A FAUX GRAIN APPEARANCE. WHAT WOULD AN EXAMPLE OF A WOOD CONSTRUCTION LOOK LIKE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FAUX FINISH AND IT'S SMOOTH AND THE RENDERING OR THE DRAWING SHOWS US A FLAT PLANE? WHAT WOULD AN EXAMPLE BE? STAFF HAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, GARAGE DOOR PRODUCTS THAT MIMIC WOOD GARAGE DOORS. THEY DON'T FINISH, THEY DON'T, UM, MATCH THE FAUX GRAIN. AND I'LL DEFER TO COREY IF HE CAN RECALL WHAT THAT MATERIAL HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. I THINK THEY'RE STEEL. UM, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF FLAT PANEL, ALMOST LIKE A SHAKER STYLE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE SORT OF THAT FAUX PANELING AND JUST WHEN YOU PAINT IT, IT MIMICS THE APPEARANCE OF WOOD. SO YOU HAVE A RAISED PANEL OR MAYBE YOU COULD EVEN HAVE CROSS UH, BRACING OR SOMETHING THAT IMPLIES WOOD, BUT IT'S METAL. CORRECT? YES. OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. AND, UM, I GUESS MY, UM, MY OBSERVATION FROM THE SITE VISIT ON THE HOUSE AND THE SIDING REMOVAL WAS SIMILAR TO THE CHAIRS IN THAT, UM, THE SUBSEQUENT MODIFICATIONS TO OTHER CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS LIKE THE, LIKE THE EVE OR THE FASCIA BOARDS AND THEN THE WOOD TRIMS, [02:30:01] UM, JUST SEEMS TO, UM, BE QUITE SIGNIFICANT. UH, FRANKLY, UH, A HOUSE OF THIS AGE, YES, WE DO HAVE DAMAGED WOOD, WORN WOOD, MANY CASES. UM, RARELY IS IT PRISTINE AND IMPERFECT. IT IS A ACCUMULATION OF LAYERS OF PAINT AND LAYERS OF WORK. SO, UM, UH, IF THIS IS A COSMETIC CONCERN, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER WAYS OF, OF ADDRESSING IT RATHER THAN A FULL SCALE, UH, REPLACEMENT BECAUSE I THINK YOU ONE WOULD RUN INTO QUITE A BIT OF ADDITIONAL EXPENSE AND TIME TO, TO DO A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT. COULD YOU GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF, UM, SOME REMEDIES? PARDON? COULD YOU GIVE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES OF REMEDIES BESIDES REPLACEMENT? UM, WELL, UH, I GUESS ONE COULD LOOK AT OTHER PAINT, PAINT PRODUCTS WITH OTHER FILLERS TO, UM, FILL IN SOME OF THE MORE EGREGIOUS AREAS THAT ARE MISSING PAINT. UM, BUT EVEN JUST A, A GOOD QUALITY PAINT WOULD, UM, WOULD, UM, MAKE THE, WHAT DO YOU SAY, MAKE IT LOOK AGE APPROPRIATE. OKAY. WE HAVE TRIED A LOT OF DIFFERENT PAINTS. AGAIN, I WASN'T GONNA ARGUE THAT POINT. SURE. BECAUSE SURE. I DIDN'T, DIDN'T WE WERE GONNA GET APPROVAL. IT'S JUST, I DON'T, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING RIGHT OFFHAND. IT'S ALMOST LIKE HIGHLIGHTING THE IMPERFECTIONS WHEN IT'S PAINTED. UM, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. WELL, I THINK ALSO THAT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PAINT, UM, THE PAINT FINISH, WHETHER ONE USES A GLOSS, A HIGH GLOSS OR A MAT CAN ALSO ACCENTUATE SOME OF THOSE FINER IMPERFECTIONS. SO, SO I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION ON, ON, ON THAT. 'CAUSE YOU GUYS WENT THERE. SO, AND THEN MAYBE IT'S KIND OF FOR STAFF TOO. SO DOES HE HAVE THE OPTION, IF HE CAN'T SAND IT, FIX IT, PAINT IT, OR ADDRESS THAT PORTION? DOES HE HAVE THE OPTION TO REPLACE WITH THE EXACT SAME TYPE OF WOOD AND, AND IT'LL LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME IF HE REPLACES IT? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T USE THE SAME WOOD IF IT'S BEYOND REPAIR, BEYOND PAINT, OR BEYOND, UH, ADDRESSING, WELL, IT'S MA UH, ORIGINAL OR THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS ORIGINAL MATERIAL. IF IT'S NOT ROTTEN OR STRUCTURALLY, UH, UNSOUND, THEN IT'S, UH, GENERALLY THE, THE RECOMMENDATION TO ALEVE WHAT'S THERE AND, UH, DO A NICE FINISH ON IT. SAND WHERE YOU CAN FILL WHERE YOU NEED TO, UH, THERE REPLACE WHERE YOU HAVE TO REPLACE ONLY AS YOU NEED TO FOR, UH, ROTTEN OR, UH, DETERIORATED WOOD. AND, AND FOR THE THOSE AT THE SITE VISIT, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IT CAN BE SANDED? DOES THAT, THAT MATERIAL THAT THAT SPRAY OR WHATEVER THAT'S ON IT, DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT CAN BE TAKEN OFF OR REMOVED OR, WELL, MR. ISAACS IS RIGHT, IT'S THE, UM, THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE THAT COATING IS PEELING A LITTLE BIT AND I, UH, WENT AND TRIED TO PEEL IT A LITTLE BIT OFF AND I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE IT ALL. UM, AND EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. EVEN IF YOU COULD, THE PLACES WHERE WE TRIED TO REMOVE IT, IT JUST STARTED CHIPPING THE WOOD OFF OF IT. SO YOU END UP GETTING, I GUESS INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT DETAIL OF THE WOOD, IT JUST ENDS UP CAUSING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. SO IT, RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU JUST WAIT UNTIL IT ALL ROTS OFF OR WHAT. BUT THE OTHER, THE OTHER PART OF THIS DEAL RIGHT, IS THAT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY, UH, HAD SUBMITTED THE SIDING REQUEST, IT WAS IMMEDIATELY SHOT DOWN. SO WE JUST ASSUMED IT WASN'T EVER GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY. SO THE HOMEOWNERS WENT AHEAD AND HAD, UM, IT'S NOT IN THESE PICTURES, IT, IT'S POST THAT, SO THIS, THIS WAS THE PICTURES I ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED. THEY HAD, UM, UH, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? UH, LIKE A SPRAY FOAM INSULATION INSERT, RETROFIT INSULATION PUT INTO IT. SO YOU COULD NOT PULL THAT SIDING OFF 'CAUSE IT WOULD JUST RIP ALL THAT EXPENSIVE INSULATION OUTTA THE WALLS. UH, SO THAT REALLY GOING OVER IT WOULD BE THE PAINTING IT OR GOING OVER IT WITH NEW SIDING AREA ARE REALLY YOUR ONLY TWO OPTIONS THAT DON'T HAVE AN OPTION OF TAKING IT OFF ANYMORE. UM, BECAUSE THAT STUFF JUST TURNS INTO GLUE ESSENTIALLY. SO, UM, ONE OTHER, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS? YES. COMMISSIONER FISH. COMMISSIONER FISH. OH, THANK YOU. GOT SOME FEEDBACK THERE. I CAN APPRECIATE THE PREDICAMENT WITH THE, WITH THE FINISH ON THE, ON THE WOOD. UM, HOWEVER, GOING, GOING OVER THE EXISTING AND TRANSLATING ALL THE WINDOW TRIM AND CORNER TRIM FORWARD, UH, IT IS CONCERNING. I, I THINK STAFF HAS A RIGHT AND, UM, I WISH THERE WAS A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THE FINISH OF THE EXISTING [02:35:01] SIDING, BUT I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO, STIPULATIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE, DENIAL OF ITEM THREE. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND MR. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GRU. ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, I'D LIKE TO ASK APPLICANT, UM, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA END UP DOING WITH THE SIDING? I MEAN WITH, WITH THE HOUSE AS IT IS AND THE CONSTRAINTS, WHAT, WHAT IS GONNA BE YOUR END? WHAT OBJECTIVE? NOW YOU'RE GONNA PAINT IT AND IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK GOOD, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. YOU'RE JUST GONNA PAINT IT. YES SIR. WILL YOU DO ADDITIONAL SANDING AND FILLING AND ALL THAT? NO SIR. JUST PAINT IT LIKE THAT? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. DO, DO YOU SEE, UH, ISSUES WITH WATER INFILTRATION, MOISTURE INFILTRATION IN PLACES THAT, I MEAN, DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO MITIGATE WATER INFILTRATION OR YOU'LL CAULK IT IN? I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND LIE TO YOU AND SAY THAT IT'S ALL ROTTEN. IT'S NOT. IT'S GOT SOME ROTTED AREAS THAT PROBABLY COULD BE FIXED. RIGHT. SO I THINK FROM A WATER STANDPOINT, MAYBE USE SOME BONDO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, TO MEDIATE WATER SITUATIONS. OKAY. BUT FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT AND PEOPLE PAY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY PAY TO LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT JUST LOOKS BAD. YOU KNOW, I GET THE HISTORICAL OIL ASPECT OF IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK ATTRACTIVE. I I UNDERSTAND. IT'S DEFINITELY COSMETIC. OKAY. WELL I JUST, UM, AND IT RETURNED THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. IT, UH, CONSIDER IN, IN THAT SIR. UM, SO, BUT, BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT A GENERAL REPLACEMENT IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE USE OF THAT FOAM INSULATION. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO RIP IT OFF AND I MEAN, I MEAN YOU COULD PROBABLY DO IT, BUT IT WOULD, YOU'D HAVE TO THEN READ, REDO ALL THE INSULATION AGAIN, WHICH TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON TOP OF THE WOOD REPLACEMENT. I MEAN IT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE. PLUS THE ENTIRE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN COMPLETELY REDONE. SO YOU'D HAVE A CHANCE OF WATER GETTING IN IT TOO IF YOU START TAKING THE SIDING OFF. SO YOU'VE THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW? UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. OKAY, SIR. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH, AYE SAVINA AYE. VELASQUEZ, I'M AN ABSTAIN. MORALES IS ABSENT. TED. AYE CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. TRY IT ONE MORE TIME. GROUP. AYE. PERFECT. WE HEARD YOU BANES. YES. THATER. AYE. AND LA IS ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 21 AND RACHEL, BEFORE YOU READ THIS, REC, UM, I THINK I HAVE EVERYONE WHO IS PART OF THE APPLICANT TEAM, ME AND A PANELIST, BUT IF YOU NEED TO BE MOVED OVER, JUST PUT YOUR NAME IN THE CHAT AND I'LL, I'LL DO THAT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 8 5 21 23 WEST SATCH. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH PORTIONS OF THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, HISTORICALLY KNOWN AS HORACE MANN JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, CONSTRUCT NEW ADDITIONS AND PERFORM EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS, REPAIRS AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS. TWO. REPLACE ALL EXISTING WINDOWS THREE, REPLACE ALL EXISTING DOORS. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE LIBRARY AND BREEZEWAY STRUCTURE BE RETAINED IN THE PROPOSAL BASED ON FINDING F TWO THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES PLANS FOR THE TREATMENT OF ANY NEWLY EXPOSED FACADES BASED ON FINDING E THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS TOTAL HEIGHT INFORMATION FOR THE ADDITION AND ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS J THROUGH L FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS DETAILED INFORMATION SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED CLADDING MATERIALS ARE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OR PARDON ME, REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING N FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING O SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS FEATURING WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS WITH A SIMILAR PROPORTION OF WALL TO WINDOW SPACE AS TYPICAL WITH THE ADJACENT HISTORIC FACADES AND WINDOWS AND DOORS FEATURING TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS FOR REVIEW. PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING P SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES MEASUREMENTS WITH THE LENGTH OF THE NORTHEAST CONNECTOR EDITION FACADE TO SHOW THAT THE BLANK WALL DOES NOT EXCEED 40 LINEAR FEET OR SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS THAT INCORPORATE WINDOW OPENINGS WITH A SIMILAR WALL TO WINDOW SPACE AS TYPICAL WITH NEARBY HISTORIC FACADES TO STAFF REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL [02:40:01] APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING R EIGHT THAT THE WINDOWS REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE BASED ON FINDING WHY NINE THAT THE EXISTING ADDITION, THE EXISTING SECTIONS OF RETAINING WALL AND OTHER HISTORIC SITE ELEMENTS BE RETAINED BASED ON FINDING SS STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT APPLICANTS, THAT THE APPLICANT MINIMIZES THE DAMAGE TO HISTORIC CHARACTER AND MATERIALS OF THE SITE WHILE COMPLYING WITH ALL ASPECTS OF ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. 10, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE SITE FURNISHINGS AND A FINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR REVIEW PRIOR TURNING TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING T ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF FULL WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS V THROUGH Y. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS ARE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD WINDOWS TO MATCH EXISTING PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND THOSE WINDOWS SHOULD MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING Z WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR IN KIND REPLACEMENT DOORS WITH SIMILAR LIGHT AND PANEL CONFIGURATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND RETAINS THE EXISTING TRANSOM WINDOWS PROPOSED FOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING Z AND TWO THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORER IS INSTALLING A FRONT ENTRY DOOR THAT HAS A CONFIGURATION SIMILAR TO THAT FOUND IN HISTORIC PHOTOS BASED ON FINDING Z. THE APPLICATION TEAM IS, UM, WITH US VIRTUALLY AND I BELIEVE MITCH FORD WILL INTRODUCE THE TEAM. THANK YOU RACHEL. UM, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. UH, MY NAME'S MITCH FORD AND I'M THE ARCHITECTURAL ASTORIAN FOR THE PROJECT. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT TEAM WHO SHOULD BE PRESENT ON THE CALL. UH, WE HAVE KENDRICK WRIGHT AND CO AND TRUSTEE ED GARZA FROM THE S I S D AS WELL AS SPRINGER FROM FROM KIRKSEY, WHO IS THE PRINCIPAL ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. AND SHE'LL BE DISCUSSING ALL THE DESIGN QUESTIONS AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THEM FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONING OR COMMENTS IF WE COULD HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR DEMOLITION AND THEN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. NICOLA, I THINK YOU'RE MUTED. WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU. YEAH, STILL, STILL NOTHING. YOU HEAR ME? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY, I THINK, CAN WE TURN TO PAGE 57 OF THE DOCUMENT? THERE SHOULD BE A SITE PLAN THERE OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. YEAH. OR, OR WE CAN STAY WITH THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. OKAY. SO SEE AT THE, THE HISTORIC BUILDING, WHICH WAS BUILT IN 19 34, 35 CREATES THAT CENTRAL COURTYARD THAT YOU SEE WITH THE MAIN ENTRY FACADE ON SATCH WITH THE AUDITORIUM WING GOING NORTH, SOUTH ON THE EAST SIDE. AND THEN THE LIBRARY BRING BUILDING GOING, UM, NORTH, SOUTH ON THE WEST SIDE. THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY, UM, HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF THE CAMPUS, UM, ADJACENT TO THE WEST, WHICH ARE THE AREAS THAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON DEMOLISHING. AND THESE ARE COMPRISED PRIMARILY OF ONE STORY BUILDINGS, UM, CLASSROOM WING AND ONE D AND THEN, UM, GYM SPACES AT ONE, C TWO AND THREE, UM, JUST SORT OF THOSE NON-CLASSROOM SPACES ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MULBERRY. SO THOSE PRIMARY [02:45:01] SPACES ARE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT DEMOLISHING, UM, TO THE EAST SIDE ONE B AND FIVE A. ARE EXISTING BUILDINGS ALSO SCHEDULED, SCHEDULED FOR RENOVATION, BUT THEY WILL REMAIN. AND THEN, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER SPACES, ONE OF THE SPACES THAT IS IN QUESTION IS THE EXISTING LIBRARY AND OUR DESIRE TO REMOVE THAT ONE STORY PIECE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE NEW, UM, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THEN IF WE WERE TO GO TO OUR NEW FLOOR PLANS, AND THAT'S GONNA BE, THERE WE GO. THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW THE NEW WILL BE INCORPORATED WITH THE EXISTING. SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, UM, IF WE GO FROM EAST TO WEST ON THE CAMPUS PLAN, UM, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE ARE RENOVATING THE HISTORIC BUILDING THAT IS ON SATCH, THE MAIN FRONT ENTRY, IF YOU COULD POINT TO THAT SO THAT WE COULD ORIENT PEOPLE. RIGHT. SO ACTUALLY THE NEXT ONE OVER, GO TO THE RIGHT THERE. THAT IS THE MAIN HISTORIC, THAT'S THE MAIN HISTORIC ENTRY AND THAT WILL REMAIN THE MAIN ENTRY FOR THE CAMPUS. UM, OVER TO THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE AS YOU LOOK NORTH, THAT IS THE AUDITORIUM AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE AUDITORIUM, OUR EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO RENOVATE. AS YOU COME ACROSS THE, THE MAIN BUILDING, HISTORIC BUILDING AND YOU LOOK TOWARDS THE HISTORIC COURTYARD, UM, WE WILL BE MAINTAINING THAT COURTYARD AND WE WILL BE RENOVATING THE CAFETERIA TO THE NORTH. THEN AS YOU GO TO THE WEST OF THAT COURTYARD, THAT IS THE AREA THAT WE ARE DEMOLISHING AND REMOVING THE LIBRARY. AND IN THAT LOCATION WE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING A TWO STORY WING THAT ALLOWS US TO OPTIMIZE THE SITE FOR, UM, THE ADDITIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED. UM, I THINK A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT THE LIBRARY THAT, UM, ARE IN, IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION, THE LIBRARY, UM, ALMOST IS USED AS A PASS THROUGH FOR THE CAMPUS. UM, WHEREAS THIS, UM, REVISED OR THIS RENOVATION AND NEW ADDITION WILL ALLOW FOR EASE OF PASSAGE THROUGH THE CAMPUS AND CREATING SOME CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE NEW BUILDING, THE EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING AND THE NEW BUILDING THAT WE ARE CREATING, UM, TO THE WEST. SO WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THE, OF, OF THE CLASSROOM WING AND THE TWO GYMS THAT ARE COMPLETELY UNDERSIZED FOR THE CAMPUS, WE ARE PUTTING IN ITS PLACE TO A TWO STORY ACADEMIC WING AROUND A COURTYARD THAT YOU CAN SEE AND BASICALLY SORT OF RE UM, UM, RE-UNDERSTANDING THAT HISTORIC COURTYARD THAT IS THERE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING A SIMILAR AESTHETIC, UM, WITH SORT OF THE ORIGINAL PARTY THAT WAS, UM, PROVIDED IN THE DESIGN OF THIS NEW ADDITION. AND THEN ON THE, ON THE FAR WEST SIDE, ADJACENT TO WHAT WILL BE THE PLAYING FIELDS IS WHERE WE ARE PUTTING THE GYM, UM, THE, THE GYM, UM, SPACES THAT YOU WILL SEE IF WE GO UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, WE ARE, UM, ADDING A SECOND FLOOR ONLY IN THE NEW ACADEMIC WING ON THAT WEST SIDE OF CAMPUS. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE ACADEMIC WING IS SEPARATED FROM THE, UM, HISTORIC BUILDING BY A BREEZEWAY AS WELL AS A CONNECTOR BRIDGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE THAT DEFINITION AND SEPARATION BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW SO THAT THERE'S, SO THAT THE HISTORIC BUILDING CAN STAND OUT SEPARATELY FROM THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE DOING. AND THEN AS I MENTIONED WITH THE LIBRARY, UM, BEING DEMOLISHED AND US BEING ABLE TO USE THAT SECOND FLOOR, WE CAN REALLY GET, UM, THE PROGRAM REQUIRED FOR THE CAMPUS WITHIN A TWO STORY FOOTPRINT. AND I THINK AS FAR AS A DESCRIPTION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IT. I THINK IF WE GO TO OUR ELEVATIONS, YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING. WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING, WE ARE MAINTAINING THE FRONT FACADE, UM, NOT DOING, UM, THERE, THERE [02:50:01] ARE NO CHANGES TO THE HISTORIC FACADE ARCHITECTURALLY, UM, OTHER THAN THE REQUEST THAT, UM, HAS BEEN MADE TO, UM, POTENTIALLY, UM, PUT IN ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS. UM, AND THE REQUEST AND THE DESIRE FOR US TO UPDATE THE FRONT DOOR, THE MAIN FRONT DOOR SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. UM, OR CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT PAGE? YOU CAN START TO SEE SOME OF THE ADDITIONS, UM, THE FACADES, HOW THEY ARE PLAYING OUT ACROSS THE CAMPUS AND WITH THE, ON THE SATCH SIDE OF THE ON WHICH, GIMME ONE SECOND. LET ME MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PAGE FOR THE ELEVATIONS SINCE WE'RE ON, YOU ARE ON PAGE 39 RIGHT NOW. THIS FACADE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ON THE, I ON PAGE 39, I HAVE A DIFFERENT PAGE. OKAY. STOP RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. UM, AT THIS FACADE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MULBERRY, UM, STREET SIDE, LOOKING AT THE REAR OF THE CAFETERIA AND ADJACENT TO THAT ON THIS BOTTOM DRAWING, SO A ONE AT THE BOTTOM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE TWO STORY ACADEMIC WING, UM, WITH THE LIBRARY, THE NEW LIBRARY IN THIS DESIGN, ESSENTIALLY GOING BACK EXACTLY WHERE THE OLD LIBRARY WAS. AND THEN, UM, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THE BREEZEWAY UNDERNEATH THE SECOND FLOOR THAT, UM, TAKES YOU INTO THE COURTYARD SPACE. AND I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THAT SHOULD WORK FOR OUR DESCRIPTION. HOLD ON. LET ME SEE SOME OTHER, UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT WORK, IF WE GO TO, IF WE GO TO PAGE, THE COLORED ELEVATIONS MIGHT WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO IF WE GO TO PAGE 43, WE CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT AS WELL. AND SO PAGE 43, UM, CAN YOU GO UP ONE, GO UP ONE PAGE PLEASE. SO PAGE 43, THE SOUTH ELEVATION MIDDLE B FIVE IS ONCE AGAIN SHOWING YOU THE HISTORIC FACADE. AND THEN A FIVE IS SHOWING YOU THE ADDITION WITH, UM, SIMILAR SORT OF WINDOW PROPORTIONS IN TERMS OF MIMICKING THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS OF THE HISTORIC ELEVATION ON ATCH. AND THEN TO THE FAR WEST, YOU START TO SEE AGAIN, THE SORT OF TRIPLE GANGING OF THE WINDOWS. BUT ON THE, UM, GYMNASIUM SITE YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING. AND THEN IF WE GO DOWN TO PAGE 44 WITH, UM, JUST THE COLOR HELPS TO DIFFERENTIATE THINGS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THE NORTH ELEVATION ON MULBERRY, YOU KIND OF GET TO SEE ONCE AGAIN, UM, THE LIBRARY IN THE BOTTOM PART IN THE YELLOW AND THEN THE SECOND FLOOR ELEVATION, THE SECOND FLOOR OF ACADEMIC WINGS YOU CAN SEE THERE AS WELL. UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, DESIGNING THE BUILDING IN, IN UNDERSTANDING THE PROPORTIONS OF THE CAMPUS, WE ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN WITH USE, WITH HAVING THE TWO STORY DESIGN, WE ARE ABLE TO KEEP THE, UM, ADDITION WITHIN THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS. SO AGAIN, IT, UM, WORKS WITH THAT SOUTH FACING FACADE ON WE SATCH. SO AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT IS IT. SO THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. I GUESS BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS, I MEAN, I THINK IF THERE'S ONE THING WE, IF THERE'S A ONE THING, UM, THAT WE CAN ALSO TALK ABOUT IS, UM, REALLY NEEDING TO BE ABLE TO, UM, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE TWO STORY BUILDING, UM, WE REALLY DO NEED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THE LIBRARY SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN, UM, A SIMILAR SORT OF [02:55:01] HEIGHT AND STREET FACADE FOR THE CAMPUS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MM-HMM. , UH, BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, DO ANY, UH, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE DESIGN TEAM OR THE, UH, APPLICANT LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AND THEN WE'LL GET TO, UH, VOICEMAILS AND CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. IS, UH, TRUSTEE GARZA ON THE LINE? I DIDN'T SEE HIS NAME. UM, THERE WAS A PHONE NUMBER THAT I ADDED. I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, THIS IS KEN WRIGHT, DEPUTY CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER FOR SAN ANTONIO SD. UNFORTUNATELY, TRUSTEE GARZA WAS NOT ABLE TO JOIN US, UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, JUST ON SST S D'S BEHALF. UH, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED AND SO THANKFUL FOR H D R C AND O H P FOR, FOR WORKING WITH US THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I'M CERTAINLY EXCITED TO PRESENT TO YOU GUYS TODAY. UH, WE ARE CERTAINLY COMMITTED TO HONORING THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE ON HONORING THE HISTORIC NATURE OF, OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE CAMPUS. AND SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. NOT ALL OF THOSE WOOD WINDOWS ARE ORIGINAL. UM, S E I SS D UP UNTIL FIVE YEARS AGO ACTUALLY HAD A MULE SHOP WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT REPLACED A LOT OF WOOD WINDOWS ACROSS OUR DISTRICT SO THAT THAT MAY LEAD TO SOME, UM, INTERPRETATION THAT SOME OF THOSE, UM, WOOD WINDOWS ARE ORIGINAL, BUT SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED, UNFORTUNATELY, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF BUDGET RESTRAINTS AND JUST EFFICIENCIES OF OUR, UM, OF OUR DISTRICT WITH, YOU KNOW, REDUCED ENROLLMENT AND OTHER BUDGET RESTRAINTS. WE NO LONGER HAVE A MILL SHOP IN-HOUSE. AND SO THAT WOULD MAKE SUSTAINING EITHER REPLACEMENT OR NEW WOOD WINDOWS GOING FORWARD, UM, COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THE DISTRICT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, ANYONE ELSE FROM THE, UH, APPLICANT'S SIDE? ALL RIGHT, NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM, UH, VOICEMAILS AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY, UH, IN-PERSON FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, WE'LL CALL THEM UP. YES. UH, THERE IS ONE LETTER IN THE FOLDER. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON AND WE DO HAVE 20 VOICEMAILS. I WILL BEGIN TO PLAY THOSE NOW. HELLO, MY NAME IS NORMA GONZALEZ. I LIVE AT 2133 WEST MULBERRY AVENUE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SCHOOL. UH, MY CONCERNS ARE WITH THE INCREASED ENROLLMENT. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC JAMS ON OUR STREET DURING PICKUP AND DROP OFF? PEOPLE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET AND WILL NOT MOVE TO ALLOW US TO GET OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY OUTSIDE OF PICKUP AND DROP OFF TIMES. IT'S EVEN WORSE WHEN IT GETS BACK TO TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THEN TO GET OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY. BOTH OF THESE SCENARIOS PREVENT EMERGENCY VEHICLES FROM ENTERING OUR STREET. IN CASES OF EMERGENCY, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REACH US. IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN, WE WOULD HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES. PLEASE CONSIDER MOVING PICKUP AND DROP OFF TO WIDER STREETS AROUND THE SCHOOL, ATCH OR CAMPLIN OR BOTH REGARDING CONSTRUCTION. WHERE ARE THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS GOING TO PARK? WE AS TAXPAYERS SUPPORT YOUR SCHOOLS AND DON'T DESERVE FOR OUR QUALITY OF LIFE TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED. THANK YOU. YEAH, THIS IS WILLIAM BARNETT, UH, 2151 WEST KING HIGHWAY, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, CALLING ON H B R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 8 5 ON THE, UM, YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. UH, I I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS TO RAISE THAT BUILDING TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW. IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER. IT'S PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT DEFINES PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS IS A HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THANKS FOR LISTENING TO MY COMMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ALICIA MENDEZ. CLAYTON, I AM A HOMEOWNER AT 2220 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY IN THE MONTICELLO HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS IS IN REGARD TO AGENDA 21, PROPERTY AT 2123 WEST SATCH, Y W L A CAMPUS AND MONTICELLO HISTORIC DISTRICT. OUR ONLY CHILD ATTENDED WOODLAWN ELEMENTARY AND HORACE MANN MIDDLE SCHOOL SUCCESSFULLY, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENT. HAD THE SAME EXCELLENCE BEEN APPLIED AT Y W A NOW BEEN APPLIED DURING MY DAUGHTER'S YEARS, MORE. THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD CHILDREN WOULD'VE ATTENDED A TRADITIONAL SCHOOL. I BELIEVE THIS NEW SCHOOL PROJECT AND THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR THIS HIGH VOLUME, HIGH TRAFFIC USAGE. IT'S IN A SMALL POCKET OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MOST ACCESS IS THROUGH LAKE BOULEVARD AND NARROW [03:00:01] THOROUGHFARE WITH PEDESTRIANS WALKING TO THE LAKE. OUR EXPERIENCE DAILY IS THAT OF PARENTS FROM OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT ARE BARRELING DOWN THE STREET TO GET THEIR DAUGHTERS TO SCHOOL ON TIME EVERY MORNING. THAT WAS NEVER A PROBLEM BEFORE MOST CHILDREN WALK TO AND FROM SCHOOL. THE PROPOSED LARGE, MODERN UNATTRACTIVE BUILDINGS ARE AN EYESORE. IN COMPARISON TO OUR BEAUTIFUL, UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE, WE GLADLY ACCEPT THE RULES AND BOUNDARIES THAT GUIDE US IN REGARD TO MODIFICATION TO OUR ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT HOMES. WE EXPECT THE PUBLIC BUILDINGS TO ALSO ABIDE BY THE SAME GUIDELINES. THAT'S WHY WE CHOOSE TO LIVE HERE. LET THE SCHOOL REMAIN A NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL, APPLY THE SAME EXCELLENCE AND PROGRAM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS. TAKE THIS CONCEPT SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE IT CAN GROW COMFORTABLY AND NOT INTERRUPT OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 OH. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. STRONGLY URGES, S A I S D, STANTEC AND THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY BUILDING A 2123 WEST ATCH THAT PROVIDES ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE ORIGINAL 1935 LIBRARY DESIGNED BY ATLEY AND ROBERT. HES, THIS BUILDING MAKES A STRONG CONTRIBUTION TO THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE 1935, HES, AND HES LIBRARY IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THAT CONTRIBUTION. SECONDLY, WE ENCOURAGE THE OWNERS, DESIGNERS, AND COMMISSION TO GIVE THE LARGE NEW ADDITION, A GREATER SETBACK ALONG MULBERRY AVENUE SO THAT THE NEW BUILDING DOES NOT OVERWHELM THE STREET AND NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ALONG MULBERRY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YES. MY NAME IS GEORGE DE LA GARZA. I RESIDE AT 4 4 3 CHADWELL DRIVE, UH, 7 8 2 2 8. UH, I WANTED TO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 21 AT, UH, 2123 WEST, UH, ATCH. UM, I SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP ALL THE, UM, THE WINDOWS THAT, UH, THIS, UH, HISTORIC QUALITY OF THEM AND THE WOOD WINDOWS AS THEY ARE. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE ITALIAN CYPRESS, UM, AND, UH, THE ADD MORE STREET TREES ON, UH, MULBERRY, UH, TO KEEP THE, UH, UH, LANDSCAPING APPROPRIATE TO THE PROJECT. AND LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, APPROPRIATE MATERIALS ON THE CAMPUS ADDITIONS ARE USED, UH, INSTEAD OF THE, UM, UH, MATERIALS THAT I THINK ARE PROPOSED. UM, SO WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. THANKS VERY MUCH. UH, GOOD, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS STELLA DIAZ. I AM THE OWNER OF 2129 WEST MULBERRY AVENUE HOME, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SCHOOL HERE IN OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND THE REASON FOR MY CALL IS REGARDING THE BOND COMMUNITY PROJECT THAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT. I HAVE TWO MAJOR, MAJOR CONCERNS, ACTUALLY. ONE'S A CONCERN AND THE OTHER'S A TWO OF 'EM, AND THEN A PROPOSAL. UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WE, I LIVE ACROSS STREET WHERE THE CARS PULL INTO, UH, THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH TO DROP OFF THEIR CHILDREN. IT IS A MAJOR, MAJOR TRAFFIC JAM. THERE IS NO RESPECT OF THESE, UH, PARENTS SOMETIMES CREATING TWO AISLES. WE CANNOT EVEN GET OUT OF, UH, OUR PARKING, UH, DRIVEWAY TO PULL OUT. UM, SOMETIMES, UH, WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE HARASSED WHEN WE'RE PULLING OUT, AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE WE, BOTH MY SON AND I DRIVE NICE CARS, BUT IT IS RIDICULOUS THAT WE WOULD EVEN HAVE SUCH AS A SCHOOL IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THAT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH. THAT LOT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR THE PARENTS. THE CARS THAT THEY DRIVE AND THE SCHOOL AND THE CHILDREN RUNNING ON STREETS ARE TOTALLY UNEVEN, UH, THAT COULD INJURE THEMSELVES. SO THAT'S ONE THING. THE THE TRAFFIC JAMS AND THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVE, UH, DROP OFF. NUMBER TWO IS THE MAJOR CONCERN, THE INTEGRITY OF THE ART DECO BUILDING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE RENOVATIONS THAT ARE GONNA TAKE PLACE. WE'VE HEARD OF SOME OF THEM AND WE'LL BE ATTENDING THE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON. BUT, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS I MOVED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO LIVE IN A HISTORIC AREA AND TO MAINTAIN THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY. AND IT IS JUST A BIG MESS ACROSS THE STREET. HELLO, THIS IS VINCENT [03:05:01] FONSECA AT 4 0 1 SOUTH DONALDSON AVENUE, 7 8 2 0 1. CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 0 8 5 YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY AT 2 1 2 3 WEST. WE FETCH I AM VERY MUCH AGAINST THE PROPOSED MODERNIZATION REDESIGN THAT DOES NOT FIT IN WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY AND CULTURE OF MINE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO PLEASE DO NOT ACCEPT THE PROPOSED DESIGN THAT STRIPS AWAY THE BEAUTIFUL ART, THAT ARCHITECTURE OF THAT BUILDING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE. MY NAME IS EUGENE SAREDA, 2 0 2 1 WEST SUMMIT. I AM AGAINST, UH, ITEM NUMBER 21 OF THE BOND ISSUE. OUR SCHOOL GOES WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORICAL DISTRICT. WE DON'T NEED A MODERN BUILDING. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MARJORIE HOUSTON. MY ADDRESS IS 2 1 0 2 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 0 1. THE ITEM NUMBER IS I BELIEVE, 12. UM, THE CASE NUMBER IS H D R C 2022 DASH 85. MY COMMENTS ARE THAT THE DESIGN AS IT EXISTS DOES NOT, UH, ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE AND WHICH WILL BE EXACERBATED IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND I AM VERY DISTURBED AT THE FACT THAT THE PROPOSED, UH, NEW BUILDINGS IN NO WAY ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE DESIGN OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES. UH, THEY DO NOT, UM, THEY, THEY DO NOT IN ANY WAY, UH, COMPLIMENT WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW, THERE'S CLEARLY COMBAT. UM, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOODBYE. HELLO, MY NAME IS DR. GERARD LONG. I LIVE AT 2002 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE. I'M CALLING REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 0 8 5. PERTAINING TO THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY AT 2 1 2 3 WEST ATCH AVENUE. MY WIFE AND I ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE PLAN TO DEMOLISH THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURE WHERE THE ACADEMY'S CURRENTLY LOCATED AND REPLACE IT WITH A MODERN STRUCTURE. WE FEEL THAT THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY IS A, IS A, IS A TREASURE AND ASSETS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME. BUT WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE RAISED AND REPLACED WITH A MODERN BUILDING. WE LIVE IN A HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WOULD NOT FIT IN WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR OUR OWN PROPERTIES, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN OUR HOMES AND THEIR HISTORICAL INTEGRITY. WE MUST HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT BEFORE WE CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES, AND NO ONE WOULD, UH, I'M SORRY. WE HAVE, WE HAVE JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL ALSO IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, AND NO ONE WOULD PROPOSE DEMOLISHING IT. IT'S A TREASURE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DEMOLISH THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, FORMERLY KNOWN AS HORACE MEN? THANK YOU. MY NAME IS VICTORIA MARQUEZ. MY ADDRESS IS 22 0 7 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 85 WITH AN ADDRESS OF 2123 WEST ATCH, WHICH IS THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. I DO NOT AGREE WITH S AD'S PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE SCHOOL AS A HIS, AS A HOMEOWNER IN THE MONTICELLO HISTORIC DISTRICT, I'M WELL AWARE THAT MAKING CHANGES TO MY HOME NEED TO STAY IN HARMONY WITH THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE OF THE AREA. AND I DON'T THINK S A I S D SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM FOLLOWING THOSE GUIDELINES. [03:10:02] IF I HAD WANTED MAR MODERN ARCHITECTURE, I WOULD'VE PURCHASED A NEW BUILT HOME OUTSIDE OF 1604 IN ONE OF THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS. I FEEL THE BOND MONEY WOULD BE BETTER SPENT RESTORING AND MAINTAINING THE ART DECO ARCHITECTURE OF THE SCHOOL. THANK YOU. YES. HI, MY NAME IS LINDA MOORE. I'M A RESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. I LIVE AT 2026 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 0 1. THE CASE NUMBER IS H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 0 8 5. ADDRESS, 2123 WEST ATCH AVENUE, YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THIS VERY DISTURBING PROPOSITION TO REPLACE A HISTORIC YOUNG WOMEN'S ACADEMY WITH A MORE MODERN BUILDING. I'M SORRY, BUT HOW DID THIS EVEN BECOME AN OPTION? THE THOUGHT OF DESTROYING THIS BEAUTIFUL SCHOOL IN FAVOR OF MODERNIZATION SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A CONSIDERATION IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT'S NEXT? JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DEEMED HISTORIC FOR A REASON. AND WE AS RESIDENTS CANNOT EVEN CHANGE THE COLOR OF OUR HOMES WITHOUT APPROVAL. WHY SHOULD THIS EVEN BE A CONSIDERATE, UH, CONSIDERED A VIABLE OPTION? THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. YOU NEED TO CHOOSE ANOTHER AREA NOT IN OUR BACKYARD, AND CERTAINLY NOT WHILE DESTROYING ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S BEAUTIFUL LANDMARKS. IT'S VERY DISTRESSING. UM, ALSO, WE PAY, UM, GOOD TAX MONEY FOR OUR HOMES IN THIS AREA, AND IT IS GOING TO BECOME AN EYESORE FOR EVERYBODY WHO LIVES AROUND IT. I'M SURE THAT IT WILL BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, ANOTHER LOCATION. LOCATE, UH, FOUND FOR THIS. I'M NOT, I AM NOT, UM, AGAINST MODERNIZATION. I JUST DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE IN A, THIS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, ADDRESS 2 1 2 3 WEST SATCH. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. PO O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS NP, A SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR ITEMS ONE TO THROUGH THREE. AT LIBRE IS A RENOWNED SAN ANTONIO ARCHITECT WHOSE LEGACY INCLUDES NUMEROUS HISTORIC HOMES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, INCLUDING THE MCNA MUSEUM AND THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING ON RANDALLS AIR FORCE BASE AND THE TOWER OF LIFE BUILDING. DOWNTOWN MR. AYER'S WORK SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND CELEBRATED. WE SUPPORT THE REHABILITATION AND RESTORATION OF THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS AS THEY ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. WE EXPRESS CONCERN WITH THE SCALE OF THE NEW WINDOWS AND THE SIZE OF ITS GLAZING UNITS AND HOW THE COLOR OF THE NEW GLAZING WILL MEET ENERGY STANDARDS. THE OVERSIZED WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE NOT DEFERENTIAL TO THE HISTORIC FACADE. THE SCALE AND TEXTURE OF THE PROPOSED MATERIALS FOR THE NEW ADDITIONS DO NOT RELATE TO THE HISTORIC MATERIALS. IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE REFERENCE SAS'S, BEACON HILL AND BONHAM ELEMENTARY, THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL ADDITIONS AS EXAMPLES OF SYMPATHETIC DESIGN. WITHIN A HISTORIC CONTEXT, THE CAMPUS HAS NO BACK DOOR AND IS HIGHLY VISIBLE DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY LANDSCAPING, WE SUGGEST THE CYPRESS TREES BE PRESERVED AND MAINTAINED ON THE FRONT ELEVATION AND REQUEST LANDSCAPING ON THE WESTERN ELEVATION OF THE CAMPUS FACING ENCAMPMENT. NEW PARKING SHOULD BE ORIENTED SO THAT IT DOES NOT DIRECTLY FACE THE HOMES ON MULBERRY. THE TREES PROPOSED ON THE SATCH ELEVATION SIDE OF THE SCHOOL SHOULD BE DUPLICATED ALONG MULBERRY TO REDUCE MASSING AND PROVIDE SCREENING. TODAY THERE ARE CIRCULATION ISSUES ON THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL STREETS, WHICH WOULD PREVENT FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCES FROM ACCESSING THE SCHOOL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL HOMES DURING AN EMERGENCY EVENT. AS S A I D INCREASES ITS ENROLLMENT BY 2120 5%, NO ONE SHOULD EXPERIENCE A DELAY IN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME BECAUSE OF ON STREET QUEUING, PARKING, AND STANDING ON THE ADJACENT STREETS. UH, MY NAME IS ELIA M RENA, 1723 WEST ATCH AND I LIVE IN THE JEFFERSON AREA. REFERENCE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 21, 21 23 WEST ATCH. I ATTENDED MANN MIDDLE SCHOOL. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS CAMPUS RESTORED AND MAINTAINED. PLEASE KEEP ALL WOOD WINDOWS AND ITALIAN CYPRESS TREES ON THE FRONT AND, AND THE NEW ADDITION BE BUILT OUT OF MORE COMPATIBLE MATERIAL. THE THE PROPOSAL HAS A BUILDING LOOKING TOO MODERN FOR OUR AREA. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO FLOW WITH MORE KIDS COMING TO THE SCHOOL. I AM CONCERNED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LISTENING TO MY COMMENTS. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS NORMA RODRIGUEZ. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF MY HUSBAND AND MYSELF, UH, WITH REGARD. HIS NAME IS ARTHUR RODRIGUEZ AT 2101 [03:15:01] WEST SUMMIT AVENUE. WITH REGARD TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE HORACE MANN, UH, YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, WE ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO ANY CHANGES THAT WOULD DO A DISSERVICE TO THE BEAUTIFUL DECO, UH, DISTRICT. UH, THERE IS NO OTHER SCHOOL, I THINK, IN SAN ANTONIO THAT HAS THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION WITH REGARD TO THE DECO AREA. PLEASE RECONSIDER AND I TRUST THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP IT, MAYBE DO SOME INTERIOR REMODELING, BUT NOT TOUCH THE, THE, THE SCHOOL THAT MY BROTHERS, MYSELF, ALL OF US HAVE ENJOYED FOR THE YEARS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AGAIN, MY ADDRESS IS 2101 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE. WE LIVE JUST A COUPLE OF STREETS DOWN FROM THIS BEAUTIFUL HORSE MAN. WHAT NOW? THE, THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. THANK YOU. HELLO. I'M CALLING ABOUT 2123 WEST RESEARCH, THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY BUILDING. UH, I'M AGAINST THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION OF ADDITIONS. UH, IN PARTICULAR, THE PLAN, UH, IT DOES NOT FIT IN WITH THE DECO ARCHITECTURE OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, 1938 BUILDING. AND MANY OF THE BUILDINGS SCHEDULED FOR DEMOLITION SUCH AS, UH, THE LIBRARY ARE QUITE BEAUTIFUL. UH, THE MERIT GLASS IS PARTICULARLY INAPPROPRIATE AS ARE THE LACK OF, AS ARE THE METAL WINDOWS. UH, IT'S IRONIC THAT AS RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE NOT ALLOWED TO REMOVE OUR WOODEN WINDOWS. UH, BUT THEY ARE, UH, I UNDERSTAND IT'S, UH, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ISSUE, BUT IT'S THE SAME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ISSUE WE HAVE AS HOMEOWNERS. AND ON A, UM, DIFFERENT SCALE, THEY SHOULD BE HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS THAT ALL THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE HELD TO. ALSO, UH, I OBJECT TO THE REMOVAL OF THE, UM, ITALIAN CYPRESSES AND OTHER TREES, UH, THAT ARE NOW IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. UH, I AM IN FAVOR OF RECONSTRUCTION, THE, THE ROCK FENCES, WHICH HAVE BEEN, UM, HIT BY MOTOR VEHICLES IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO. UH, IT'S CELESTE SC KII. WE LIVE AT 2130 WEST GRAMERCY. THIS IS TOM CHEKI AT, UH, 2111 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. AND I WAS CALLING ABOUT THE, UH, UH, CASE NUMBER, UH, 2022 DASH 85 AT, UM, 2123 WEST ATCH, THE, UH, YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THIS, UH, PROPOSED, UM, EXTERIOR. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, SOMETHING YOU'D SEE IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, UM, HERE IN TOWN, NOT SOMETHING YOU'D PUT IN A, UH, HISTORICAL AREA LIKE THE, UH, JEFFERSON AREA. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST ABSURD. WHOEVER, UM, PROPOSED AND DREW THIS THING DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE. UM, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL, I MEAN, AT LEAST THEY, THE, THE ADDITIONS TO THAT, UH, GO WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, GO WITH THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING. AND IN THIS CASE, IT, IT JUST, IT'S HORRID. UM, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SPEND OUR BOND MONEY, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BUILDING, UM, BUT DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU KNOW, PHYSICALLY ALTERS THE, THE LOOK OF THIS THING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S JUST WIPE AWAY THE YEAH, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S DISGUSTING. WHAT, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. SO, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WAIT, THAT COMES TWO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST THROW THROW THIS PROPOSED EXTERIOR OUT THE WINDOW. IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S A JOKE. SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ME FURTHER ABOUT THIS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO CALL ME. MY NUMBER IS, UM, 2 1 0. MY NAME IS JASON VASQUEZ, [03:20:01] AND I RESIDE AT 2331 WEST SUMMIT 7 8 2 0 1. AND I AM A NEARLY LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THE JEFFERSON NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SPEAKING TODAY ON AGENDA ITEM 21 AT 2123 WEST ATCH 7 8 2 0 1. I AM ALSO VICE PRESIDENT OF THE JEFFERSON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION J AND A. I WANTED TO MAKE A POINT THAT A VOTE WAS NOT BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD OR ON WHETHER OR NOT TO SUPPORT THE Y W L A PLANS AS THEY ARE. SO ANYONE CLAIMING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE J AND A DID NOT GO TO THE BOARD AND ASK FOR A FORMAL VOTE. I SUBMIT THIS NOTE AS A CITIZEN AND NOT A BOARD MEMBER TO ASK THAT THE S A I S D BE CONSISTENT WITH ANY PLANNED Y W L A RENOVATIONS AND CONSTRUCTION. THE Y W L A IS AN ARCHITECTURAL GEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH MANY HOMEOWNERS ARE PROUD TO CALL HOME AND WORK HARD TO FOLLOW STANDARDS SET BY THE O H P BY BEING THAT THE Y W L A IS IN THE HEART OF HISTORIC DISTRICT AND MUST BY ABIDE BY O H P'S HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS AS SURROUNDING HOMEOWNERS MUST ALSO FOLLOW THE Y W L A SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO REMOVE THE WINDOWS IN THE BUILDING, BUT MUST RESTORE THEM JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE AREA. HOMEOWNERS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MUST DO. I UNDERSTAND THE Y W L A NEEDS TO BE UPDATED, BUT IT SHOULD BE DONE WITH RESPECT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IT IS LOCATED IN AND TO ACCENTUATE NOT STAND OUT FROM THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. CONSISTENCY IS KEY. CONSISTENCY WITH THE O H P STANDARDS OF NOT REPLACING WINDOWS, BUT RESTORING THEM AND CONSISTENCY WITH OTHER SS A I S D SCHOOLS LIKE MARK TWAIN MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH ALSO RECENTLY WENT THROUGH RENOVATIONS AND HAD THEIR WINDOWS RESTORED, NOT REPLACED. I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE ITALIAN CYPRESS AND MESQUITE TREES IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC 1937 FACADE. THIS IS KIRK WALLER AT 2030 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE 7 8 2 0 1 IN SAN ANTONIO FOR ITEM NUMBER 21 Y W L A AT 2123 WEST SATCH AVENUE. IN REFERENCE TO H C R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 0 8 5 PROPOSED Y W L A 2020 BIND PROJECT. THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION AND MODERNIZATION OF THIS CURRENTLY ARCHITECTURALLY BEAUTIFUL SCHOOL IS A TRAVESTY. EVEN THE ARTIST RENDERING OF THE NEW LOOK IS JUST SO MUCH UNAPPEALING MODERN INDUSTRIAL OFFICE PARK THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING HAS TO BE SHAMEFULLY HIDDEN BY HYPOTHETICAL NON-EXISTENT TREES BY THE ARTIST. AND THIS DOES NOT EVEN ADDRESS THE DESTRUCTION OF THE BEAUTIFUL AND QUALITY INTERIOR DOORS AND TRIM WOOD, WINDOWS, HARDWARE, TILE FLOORING, AND ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS THAT MAKE THIS SCHOOL AN HISTORICALLY WONDERFUL AND INTERESTING PUBLIC BUILDING. THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT FOR AN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, UNREMARKABLE ENGINEERING IN EVERY WAY AND DOES NOT BELONG IN THE DISTRICT. THE RESULTING CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE DEGRADATION OF THE PUBLIC REALM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF THE WONDERFUL ASSET IT CURRENTLY IS. THIS DISHEARTENING PROPOSAL NEEDS TO BE PREVENTED FROM DESTROYING THE ORIGINAL BEAUTIFUL 1930S ART DECO ARCHITECTURE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENT FOR NEARLY 100 YEARS IN ITS NEIGHBORHOOD ROLE AS A CENTERPIECE OF CHILDREN'S EDUCATION. THE CARING AND THOUGHTFUL SS I S D TAXPAYERS VOTED WITH THE INTENT TO RESTORE AND MAINTAIN THEIR SCHOOLS, TO KEEP THEM VIABLE AND SAFE, NOT TO DESTROY THEM, AND ESPECIALLY NOT AN HISTORIC SCHOOL IN AN HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. UH, WOULD ANYONE FROM THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT OR THE DESIGN TEAM WISH TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ON THE VOICEMAILS? YES. UM, THIS IS NICOLA ONCE AGAIN. UM, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE AND HEAR ME. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO GO TO PAGE 60 OF THE, UM, OF THE DOCUMENT JUST SO THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN SO THAT WE ARE CLEAR ON, UM, EXACTLY WHAT IS HISTORIC, WHAT WE ARE KEEPING, AND WHAT WE ARE RENOVATING AND WHAT WE ARE DEMOLISHING. SO IN RESPONSE TO CON, UM, DEMOLISHING THE ENTIRE CAMPUS OR MODERNIZE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN A WHOLE NEW MODERN BUILDING, I THINK, UM, MOST PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE, THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC BUILDING THAT IS 1935. SO THERE'S THAT RED 1935, UM, PIECE IN THE MIDDLE. AND WE ARE MAINTAINING THAT. WE, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DEMOLISH THE LIBRARY, AND [03:25:01] I WILL, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER IN ANOTHER MINUTE, BUT EMPHASIZE THAT EVERYTHING WEST OF THE HISTORIC 1935 FACADE WAS BUILT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY. AND IT IS DEFINITELY ONE, NOT ART DECO TWO, NOT TO ANY KIND OF, UM, PROGRAMMATIC SPEC ATIONS AND, UM, REALLY SORTS OF TREATS. UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THE, WHAT YOU WOULD YOU SAY, UM, THE ART DECO FACADE, ET CETERA, THAT IS ON THE 1935 BUILDING. SO, UM, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS GOING IN THE LOCATION OF SOME OF THE LATEST ADDITIONS TO THE CAMPUS. AND BY REMOVING THOSE STRUCTURES, WHICH ARE VARYING SIZES AND UM, FINISHES AND SHAPES, UM, I THINK WE WILL BE AN ADDED IMPROVEMENT TO THE CAMPUS. ANOTHER, UM, TOPIC WAS THAT WE WERE PUSHING, UM, THE BUILDING TOO CLOSE TO MULBERRY AND THE ADDICTION THAT WE ARE PROVIDING, UM, IS IN LINE WITH THAT 1956 OR LINING UP WITH THE 1956 PORTION BUILDING THAT YOU SEE THERE. SO WE ACTUALLY ARE NOT EXTENDING FURTHER THAN, UM, THE ORIGINAL OR THE EXISTING CAMPUS. AND IN ADDITION, THE 1988 CHILLER YARD, WHICH IS ON MULBERRY STREET, IS GOING TO BE REMOVED FROM THAT LOCATION AND TIED INTO THE, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE STREET, WE ARE OPENING UP THE STREET, UM, AND CREATING, YOU KNOW, UM, A MUCH MORE OPEN, UM, MULBERRY STREET AREA. UM, OKAY. SEE, I HAD MY NOTES. UM, I THINK IN, IN REGARD TO THE, UM, DESIGN OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS, UM, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PRESENT FINISHES, I MEAN, SORRY, NOT TO THE EXISTING CAMPUS, BUT IN THE DESIGN OF THE ADDITION, WE ARE PROPOSING TO PRESENT, UM, THE FINISHES, ET CETERA, FOR THAT BUILDING. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DEFINITELY OPEN TO LOOKING AT THE RE-LOOKING AT THE FENESTRATION, ET CETERA OF THE DESIGN. UM, SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, WITH, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE ART DECO. BUT JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE, THE WINDOWS THAT WE ARE SHOWING MODERN THOUGH THEY MAY BE, ARE, UM, IN PROPORTION TO THE WINDOWS THAT WERE FROM THAT, UM, OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS. SO YES, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT. THEY MAKE WINDOWS DIFFERENT THESE DAYS. BUT, UM, WE'RE DARING TO, UM, PROPORTION AND MASSING, WHICH IS ONE OF THE GUIDELINE REQUESTS OF, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, UM, AS FAR AS FLORA, FLORA, TREES, ET CETERA ON THE CAMPUS, UM, WHERE THE CYPRUS ARE CONCERNED, THE EXISTING CYPRUS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, NOT HEALTHY TREES, BUT, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY KEEP THEM. BUT THE LIFESPAN OF CYPRUS IN CERTAIN AGES IS GOING TO BE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED YEARS. THIS CAMPUS IS DEFINITELY BETWEEN THAT LENGTH OF TIME. AND SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE, WE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO TEAR DOWN THE TREES BECAUSE WE WANT TO, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ARBORIST LOOK AT THOSE TREES BECAUSE THEY'RE CURRENT CONDITION IS RELATIVELY UNHEALTHY AND THEY PROBABLY AREN'T GOING TO LAST, UM, TOO MUCH LONGER, UM, THAT THEY CAN BE MITIGATED. BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS FAR AS, UM, THE DESIRE FOR KEEPING THE CYPRESS, UM, CERTAINLY ALONG MULBERRY, AS WE, UM, ARE REVISING THAT NORTH FACADE WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE ARE PUTTING IN SHRUBS, UM, UH, SHRUBBERY AT THE, ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THE CONCERN ABOUT CARS AND HEADLIGHTS, UM, INTO THE CAMP, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOMES, THEY WILL BE MITIGATED BY THAT SHRUBBERY. AND, UM, AGAIN, WE ARE MOVING ALL OF THE TRAFFIC, ALTHOUGH WE KNOW TRAFFIC HAS NOTHING TO DO THAT, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT OF TRAFFIC RELATED TO H D R C, BUT WE'RE MOVING MOST OF THE TRAFFIC OFF OF MULBERRY ROAD. AND IN THE RENOVATION, IN THE, UM, ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE ARE MAKING ON CAMPUS, WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE [03:30:01] TO FEED ALL OF THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC THROUGH, UM, A ROAD THAT WE ARE ADDING TO THE SITE. SO ALONG THAT, UM, NORTH, ALONG THAT NORTH SITE. SO THAT ALL THAT ALSO SAYS THAT WE ARE PUSHING ALL OF THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION AGAIN FURTHER AWAY FROM MULBERRY STREET. UM, LET'S SEE. I I, I, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN QUITE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THE EXISTING LIBRARY, UM, AND THAT THE BEAUTY OF THE LIBRARY, UM, AND WE KNOW IT'S PART OF THE HISTORIC AREA. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REIT REITERATE THAT AT A ONE STORY DESIGN, UM, THE LIBRARY IS DEFINITELY, UM, IF, IF WE CAN'T USE THE SPACE AND OPTIMIZE THE SITE TO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE NEED FOR THE CAMPUS, UM, THIS WILL REALLY CAUSE US TO HAVE TO BUILD, UM, MUCH TALLER BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS. UH, WE WOULD END UP WITH A THREE STORY SCHEME RATHER THAN A TWO STORY SCHEME IN ORDER TO FIT THE, UM, REQUIRED PROGRAM ON THE SITE. SO THAT IS ONE THING ABOUT, UM, KEEPING THE LIBRARY THAT WE WANT TO BE VERY AWARE OF. UM, AND YEAH, SO I THINK, I THINK YES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE MAJORITY OF MY COMMENTS. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE FROM THE DISTRICT WOULD LIKE TO ADD. ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, KENRICK WRIGHT AGAIN MM-HMM. . AND SO WHAT I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, WE ALL AGREE THAT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL IS A GOLD STANDARD FOR US AS A DISTRICT, AS WELL AS FOR AS HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION, BEING ON THE NATIONAL, THE STATE, AND THE LOCAL REGISTRY. AND WE REALLY DID ENDEAVOR TO USE JEFFERSON AS A, UM, AS A A CASE STUDY, IF YOU WILL, IN OUR TREATMENT OF Y W L A. UM, HISTORICALLY UNDER THE 97 BOND AT JEFFERSON AS WELL AS THE 2010 BOND, WE WERE ABLE TO REPLACE THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WITH, UH, ALUMINUM FRAME WINDOWS THAT MATCHED THE EXACT PROPORTION, THE EXACT TREATMENT, UM, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE IN THE BUILDING. SO THAT WAS THE, THE GOAL BOTH HERE AT Y D A AS WELL IS TO USE JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL AS THE CASE STUDY AS WE RENOVATED AND MODERNIZED THAT, THAT BUILDING. HI, THIS IS JODY JI AND I'M WITH THE DESIGN TEAM. IF YOU, I KNOW YOU WERE SCROLLING FOR THE LIBRARY IMAGES, IF YOU WANNA GO TO PAGE, IT SHOULD BE 70 AND THEN ALSO, UM, PAGE 80. SO I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE NORTH FACING ELEVATION OF THE LIBRARY IS NOW THE WEIGHT ROOM OF THE SCHOOL. IT DOES NOT HAVE WINDOWS CURRENTLY. UM, IS THAT 70? I THOUGHT IT WAS 69, 68 AND 69 THERE. THERE YOU GO. GOTCHA. MM-HMM. WHERE THOSE CARS ARE PARKED. SO THAT IS THE NORTH FACING ELEVATION OF THE LIBRARY. AND, UM, THOSE WINDOWS ARE BLACKED OUT AS THAT'S NOW, UM, THE WEIGHT ROOM AREA WITH, AND IT USED TO BE WHAT I BELIEVE WAS MAYBE THE SHOWER AREA. YEAH. AND THE SPACE THAT IS THE LIBRARY, MY UNDERSTANDING USED TO BE THE WOOD SHOP. AND SO IT HAS CHANGED OVER TIME AS MOST SCHOOLS DO. AND PAGE 79 OR MAYBE 78, I THINK OUR PICTURES ARE ONE OFF FROM YOURS, BUT 78, SO THESE ARE THE NORTH OR THE EAST AND WEST FACING ELEVATIONS OF THAT BUILDING, WHICH, UM, FROM THE STREET ARE NOT VISIBLE. ONE FACES THE EAST FACING GOES INTO THE CENTRAL COURTYARD THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. AND THEN THE WEST SIDE FACES THE GYM BUILDING AND LOCKER ROOM BUILDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING BE DEMOLISHED. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT SALVAGING ALL OF THESE WINDOWS, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE REUSE. UH, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF WOOD WINDOWS, UM, IN THE SCHOOL THAT HAVE BEEN LIKE, UM, THE BOTTOM SASH HAS BEEN REMOVED TO PUT AIR CONDITIONING UNITS IN AND CHANGES OVER TIME HAS HAPPENED WHERE THEY'VE LOST LAST. AND AS KEDRICK MENTIONED, THEY WERE REPLACED AND REBUILT. AND SO THE IDEA WOULD BE TO SALVAGE THESE WINDOWS, UM, DURING DEMOLITION AND USE THEM TO, UH, FIX ANY OF THE DAMAGED WINDOWS THAT LIKE THIS, THAT WERE MODIFIED OVER TIME. [03:35:08] OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. UM, UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND A SITE VISIT, SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER OR TWO WHO DID ATTEND AND GET THEIR, UH, OBSERVATIONS. UH, YES. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CERVANTES? YES, I DID GO THERE AND I, I DIDN'T STAY FOR THE ENTIRE VISIT, BUT WHAT I SAW WAS A VERY WELL KEPT SCHOOL. UM, I THINK IT HAS SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL, UH, UH, IT HAS A LOT OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, SEE IF YOU CAN BRING UP ON THE SHOT THAT'S GOT THE OVERHEAD, THAT'S GOT THE COLORS OF THE YEARS THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE, WERE CONSTRUCTED. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. SO, UH, AND I KNOW IT MENTIONS IT UP THERE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I COULD, I COULD, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS SEAMLESS THE WAY THE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY BLENDED INTO EACH OTHER. I MEAN, I HAD TO ASK A FEW TIMES, HEY, WHEN WAS THIS BUILT? YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, THAT WAS BUILT IN 56, 73, THEY MATCHED A LOT OF THE DECORATIVE, UH, UH, STYLINGS THAT WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. UM, THE LIBRARY WAS ACTUALLY VERY WELL, WELL KEPT. A LOT OF THE WINDOWS WERE VERY WELL KEPT AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ WAS TELLING ME THAT THEY HAD A WINDOW REPAIR MAINTENANCE FACILITY ON SITE FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO THAT MAY HAVE LED TO WHY THOSE WINDOWS ARE IN SUCH GOOD CONDITION. BUT, UM, I THOUGHT THE SCHOOL WAS IN VERY WELL KEPT GOOD CONDITION AND VERY SIGNIFICANT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YEAH, I ATTENDED THAT SITE VISIT ALSO. UM, AND I'LL HAVE TO SAY I WAS INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED WITH THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE OF THIS PUBLIC SCHOOL. UM, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE HOPE, UM, ARE PRUDENT DOLLARS ARE APPLIED TO. AND IT WAS VERY, IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO SEE, UH, I UNDERSTAND THERE POSSIBLY BEING, NEED A NEED TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES FOR LARGER CONSTRUCTION. AND HONESTLY, MY FOCUS WASN'T SO MUCH ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PART, BUT RATHER ON THE STATE OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES. AND, UM, LOOKING AT HOW THE 1935, THE ORIGINAL PARTIE OF THE, THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE TWO WINGS AND THE CONNECTOR IN THE BACK, HOW THAT REALLY FELT WALKING THROUGH IT AND EXPERIENCING IT ON THE GROUND RATHER THAN THROUGH DRAWINGS. MM-HMM. . AND SO, UM, UH, I, UM, UH, I WAS, I'LL JUST SAY I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE, THE QUALITY OF WHAT WAS THERE, UH, STRUCTURALLY AS WELL AS THE FINISHES. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE SOME, UM, CHALLENGES, UH, TO MEET THEIR CURRICULUM. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. RIGHT. UM, I DID NOT ATTEND THE, UH, SITE VISIT, BUT I, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH IT. AND, UM, I DID ATTEND VIRTUALLY A, A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE LAST NIGHT WHERE SOME OTHER ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED AND MORE IN, IN DEPTH, UH, THAN, UH, TODAY. UH, AND THOSE ARE, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD THING JUST TO KEEP US IN OUR, UH, PURVIEW HERE. UM, LET ME START WITH THE THINGS I THINK THAT ARE WORKING HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, PAGE NUMBER 25, THAT THAT'S A SITE PLAN OR A ROOF PLAN SHOWING SORT OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR DEMOLITION ARE, ARE HASHED IN GRAY, AND YOU SEE JUST SORT OF THIS GENERAL KIND OF MISHMASH OF, OF PLANNING THAT'S TAKEN PLACE OVER TIME AND FOR THE LONG-TERM VISION OF THE CAMPUS. I THINK IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS SHOWN ON PAGE NUMBER 27, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF RATIONALE BEING BROUGHT TO THIS. IT'S REALLY TRULY BECOMING A CAMPUS. UM, THERE IS BETTER SPACE UTILIZATION. UH, FLOOR PLATES OF BUILDINGS ARE BECOMING KIND OF MORE CONSISTENT. UM, AND SO ALL THESE THINGS, THIS SORT OF IDEA OF LINKING COURTYARDS TOGETHER, I THINK IN THE PLANNING APPROACH TO THIS, I THINK THAT'S, IT'S REALLY, UH, VERY WELL DONE. UM, I THINK WHERE IT FALLS APART FROM ME AND WHERE, AS WE CAN HEAR FROM THE, THE COMMENTS FROM SO MANY OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT CALLED IN AND MANY OF THEM WERE THERE, UH, LAST NIGHT AS WELL, IS, IS IN THE THIRD DIMENSION HOW THIS THING GETS REALIZED AS ARCHITECTURE AND BEYOND THE [03:40:01] PLANNING. AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED THERE. YOU KNOW, THE, THE THREE TENETS OF THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEARNING ACADEMY OR, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE, OR YOUNG LADIES COLLEGE READY TO EMPHASIZE HEALTH AND WELLNESS AND TO HAVE RESPONSIBLE LEADERSHIP. AND WOULDN'T IT BE WONDERFUL IF THE ARCHITECTURE COULD ACTUALLY EMBODY THOSE GREAT LOFTY PRINCIPLES? AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S SO BANAL AND SO OUT OF CHARACTER WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S REALLY DISAPPOINTING FOR ME AS A, AS A CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECT TO GO, GEE, IS THIS THE BEST WE CAN DO? UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE LIKE DWARVES ON THE SHOULDERS OF GIANTS HERE. NOW, TO BE FAIR, THIS PROJECT IS STILL IN SCHEMATIC DESIGN. I UNDERSTAND A LOT NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT AND THOUGHT THROUGH AND TOTALLY GET THAT. I UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S IN THE PROCESS, BUT EVEN IN A NOTIONAL SENSE, I THINK IT REALLY FALLS SHORT IN THAT, IN THE WAY IN WHICH IT ARTICULATES THE, THE BUILDING. NOW, I AM THANKFUL THAT IN THE MASSING THEY DID GO BACK, UH, TO THE DRAWING BOARDS AND TOOK IT DOWN TO A TWO STORY SKIING. THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A THREE STORY SCHEME, UH, BUT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S HAVING TO BE SACRIFICED IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. AND SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE TEAM, UH, MEMBERS THAT MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT ON. ONE, WAS THERE A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS DONE OF THE LIBRARY WING OF THE ORIGINAL ATLEY BERES BUILDING? 'CAUSE OFTEN THOSE BUILDINGS WERE VERY OVER-DESIGNED AND MIGHT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE A SECOND STORY. THAT'S ONE QUESTION. AND TWO, AND THIS GOES TO THE WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. WAS THERE A COMPREHENSIVE CONDITION ASSESSMENT DONE OF THE WINDOWS TO DETERMINE WHICH ONES ARE REPLACEMENT, WHICH ONES ARE ORIGINAL, WHICH ONES ARE SO DETERIORATED, THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED, WHICH ONES COULD BE REHABILITATED OR WAS THERE JUST SIMPLY A, A DEFAULT TO A WHOLESALE, UH, REPLACEMENT OF 'EM? SO THOSE ARE TWO QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE, UM, THE TEAM ANSWER. AND BEFORE I TURN IT BACK TO THEM, I, I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE ART DECO PERIOD WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT TRANSITIONAL PERIOD IN, UH, WORLD ARCHITECTURE. IT WAS WHERE WE WERE CAPTURING THE SPIRIT OF THE MACHINE AESTHETIC, BUT STILL RETAINING THE PROPORTIONS OF CLASSICAL AND MORE ANCIENT ARCHITECTURE. AND THAT CAN GET TRANSLATE INTO CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURE. AND I THINK THERE, THAT'S THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT THIS DESIGN TEAM NEEDS TO, TO GRASP IS REALLY STUDYING WHAT IS SO UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. HOW IS IT REFLECTIVE OF NOT ONLY THE ART DECO PERIOD, BUT ALSO HOW DOES IT CAPTURE THE SPIRIT OF, OF SAN ANTONIO? THERE'S SORT OF A CRAFT TRADITION THAT SAN ANTONIO HAS EVEN IN OUR MOST CONTEMPORARY BUILDINGS, EVEN IN, IN, IN THE MODERN STREAMLINED BUILDING OF THE ELEVATED THEATER. THERE'S THIS CRAFT TRADITION THAT I THINK REALLY NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THIS BUILDING, EVEN AT A SCHEMATIC DESIGN LEVEL. SO THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. APPRECIATE YOU INDULGING ME. THANK YOU. SO, UH, MR. CHAIR, I COULD RESPOND TO THOSE TWO QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL GET TO ANOTHER COMMISSIONER. UM, ON THE LIBRARY, UM, WE DID A FULL, UM, WE DID AN ENVELOPE REVIEW. WE DO KNOW THAT THE LIBRARY ROOF IS WOOD. UM, SO AS A STRUCTURE, UM, THERE IS, I GUESS THERE'S NOT A, A SECOND FLOOR CAP CAPACITY OUT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. UM, YOU MAY BE TALKING, UH, YOUR QUESTION MAY ALSO BE WHAT ARE THE FOUNDATIONS LIKE FOR THAT BUILDING? UM, WE HAVEN'T, UM, GONE INTO DEPTH INTO THE, THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT, UM, BELIEVE THAT THAT WITH THE, THE NATURE OF THE BUILDING, THE NUMBER OF COLUMNS THAT WE SEE, THAT IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT A A SECOND STORY. WE ARE, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, DO A REVIEW OF THAT TO CONFIRM OUR ASSUMPTIONS, BUT, UM, WE DEFINITELY KNOW THAT THE FLOOR, THAT THE ROOF STRUCTURE IS NOT A STRUCTURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THAT TO, UM, EVEN JUST ACCOMMODATE A SECOND FLOOR. SO, AND THEN JUST THE WEIGHTS OF PEOPLE THAT WE'D BE PUTTING ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR SURE. SO, UM, THE CEILING HEIGHTS, THE, THE SKYLIGHTS, ET CETERA, ALL THOSE ASPECTS THAT ARE PART OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING, UM, WOULD, WOULD ALSO, UM, OBVIOUSLY BE COMPROMISED BY DOING, UM, BY TRYING TO BUILD ON TOP OF THE LIBRARY. UM, [03:45:01] AND I THINK THE OTHER POINT WAS THE WINDOWS. I'M SORRY, KEDRICK, YOU MIGHT WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT AGAIN, PLEASE. YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE QUESTION COMMISSIONER. SO WE ACTUALLY DID NOT DO A, UM, FACILITY CONDITION SESSION SPECIFICALLY ON THE WINDOWS. UM, IN, IN LIEU OF, UH, DOING SUCH SUCH A STUDY, WE DO HAVE A DISTRICT-WIDE ENERGY AND SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE, UM, ENDEAVORING TO REPLACE ALL SINGLE PANE WINDOWS WITH MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOWS. AND SO, JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, OUR CONCERN WITH, OR I SHOULDN'T SAY CONCERN, BUT OUR OBJECTIVE AND OUR, OUR GOAL TO REPLACE THOSE WOOD WINDOWS IS LESS ABOUT, UH, UPFRONT COST OR ARE THEY SALVAGEABLE, BUT IT'S REALLY FOR, UH, THE LONGEVITY AND THE OPERATION, OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. UM, AS TRUSTEE MARK, UH, GARZA SPOKE TO THE COMMUNITY ON MONDAY NIGHT, WE'RE PLANNING ON THESE, THESE BUILDINGS LASTING FOR THE NEXT 50 TO 60 YEARS. AND SO BETWEEN NOW AND THOSE NEXT 50, 60 YEARS IS MORE SO THE CONCERN WITH REINSTALLING OR, OR REHABBING THOSE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TODAY TO MAINTAIN THOSE WOOD WINDOWS GOING FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. UH, MR. CHAIR, WE, UM, WE HAD A PRETTY, I GUESS A VIGOROUS DISCUSSION IN THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH THIS ARCHITECTURE FIRM AND, UM, AT LENGTH THE DESIGN INTEREST, RIGHT, THAT, UH, ARE GOING INTO THE PROJECT WITH RESPECT TO THE NEEDS OF S A I S D, BUT ALSO THE PROJECT AS A KIND OF A GROWTH MILESTONE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE YOUNG, UH, WOMAN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY, WHICH IS REALLY THE FOCUS OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, UM, USE OF, OF, UH, DOLLARS TO, TO DEVELOP ARCHITECTURALLY WHATEVER IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP. BUT, UH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WAS WELL, UH, CLARIFIED IS THE IDEA OF, UM, UH, RESPECT OF THE ATLE AIRS ARCHITECTURE. NOW WITHIN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A SCHOOL IS NOT, A SCHOOL IS NOT, IS NOT, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE WANNA SEE IS, IS WHAT SHOULD WORK, BUT THE UTILITY WITH RESPECT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN TIME, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DESIGN AS A WHOLE, WHICH REALLY HASN'T BEEN PRESENTED, UM, UH, IN THIS PRESENTATION HOLISTICALLY, IT, IT REALLY IS A, A PROCESS OF RESPECTING WHAT IS THERE AND THEN ABSTRACTING IT TO THE LEVEL OF, UM, KINDA RESPECTFUL DETAIL. THE SILENT DETAIL THAT DOES, UH, COMPLIMENT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT REFLECTS AND IS RE AND, AND IT, IT REMINDS US THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IN THE, IN THE 1920S RIGHT NOW, WITH RESPECT TO A NEW CONSTRUCTION FOLLOWING THE SAME, UH, UH, QUALITIES OR CHARACTERISTICS OF THE 1920S BUILDING. BUT NOT, NOT, I, I WOULD THINK FOR, NOT FOR ANY MONETARY REASON, BUT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED GOOD ARCHITECTURE OR BAD ARCHITECTURE, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. AND, AND WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO US IS NOT BE BEING PRESENTED TO US BY AN UNQUALIFIED ARCHITECTURE FIRM. SO, AT, AT ONE LEVEL, THOSE OF US, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT ARE DEEPLY OR, OR SURFACE IN INVOLVED IN THE INDUSTRY WOULD KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AT A, AT A, AT A LUNCH TABLE, ONE ARCHITECT SITTING ACROSS THE, THE, THE TABLE FROM ANOTHER ARCHITECT WOULD, WOULD REALLY AT THE MOST RESPECTFUL LEVEL, HAVE TO YIELD TO EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT TO THE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE 1920S COMPETITION FOR THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE BUILDING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. AS A, A A A A, A GREAT, UH, DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE, UH, NEO GOTHIC, UH, SOLUTION VERSUS THE, THE, UH, WALTER GRPA SOLUTION. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE NEOGOTHIC SOLUTION WON, BUT I MEAN, THERE, THERE IS A REASON TO LOOK AT THE IDEA THAT THIS FALSE HISTORICISM, THAT THE COMPETITION WAS FOR A SKYSCRAPER, AND YET THEY COULDN'T LET GO OF THE CLASSICISM RIGHT? TO MAKE WAY FOR, FOR THE MODERN INTERPRETATION, WAS REALLY, IS A REFLECTION OF THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE TIME, RIGHT? AND IN THE LONG RUN, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO HERE WE DO SEE THIS REALLY, UH, UH, COMPLEX CONVERSATION WITH BUILDINGS WHERE THE ADLEY AIRS ARCHITECTURE IS ALLOWED TO BE ITSELF. AND, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOWS, I'M SURE THAT THERE'S ALL KINDS OF COMPROMISES CAN BE MADE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT, WHAT WINDOW IS, IS APPROPRIATE, OR HOW MANY OF THESE WINDOWS CAN BE, UH, PRESERVED OR NOT PRESERVED, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE OVER OVERLY CRITICAL, UH, PERSPECTIVE FROM ONE ARCHITECT TO ANOTHER ARCHITECT. IN REALITY, THE NEW ADDITION DOES NOT TRY TO COMPETE WITH [03:50:01] THE 1920S, UH, ADLEY AIRS ARCHITECTURE. IT ACTUALLY RESPONDS TO THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE TIME, IN WHICH CASE THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ARCHITECTURE. SO I THINK WITH IT, THAT WE HAVE TO BE, UH, RESPECTFUL OF, OF THE, OF THE, UH, UH, STATEMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE ARCHITECTURALLY, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UH, IN REALITY, THEY, THEY'RE DEFINING THE, THE, THE DIALOGUE, UH, THAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO HAVE, BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING FROM QUALIFIED ARCHITECTS WHO I'M SURE ARE TRYING TO, UH, COMMUNICATE, UH, WITH THEIR CRAFT, UH, THEIR VALUE SYSTEM WITH RESPECT TO HOW, UH, ONE, ONE PIECE, UH, UH, UH, ACCEPTS A ANOTHER, ANOTHER TIME PIECE. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, THE SAN ANTONIO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT IS VERY APPARENT THAT THEY ARE EXCELLING IN THEIR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WITH RESPECT TO THE SCHOOLS THAT THEY'VE BEEN, UH, UM, UM, UH, BRING, UH, HAVE BEEN BRINGING FORTH. I MEAN, IT HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG THAT WE, THAT WE APPROVED A, A, UH, PARKING GARAGE FOR THE AREA OVER AT FOX TECH. THAT BREAKS ALL KINDS OF RULES, UM, THAT I WAS COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO. BUT THAT, THAT VOTE PREVAILED WITH RESPECT TO THIS. I THINK THAT THIS IS IN LINE WITH LIKE SCHOOLS LIKE WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE AT BURBANK, WHERE THE STUDENTS OF SAN ANTONIO THAT ARE GOING TO PUBLIC SCHOOL AND THAT ARE USING PUBLIC DOLLARS, ARE GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO SCHOOLS THAT ARE DESIGNED BY WELL QUALIFIED ARCHITECTS, AND THAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS NOT ONE WHERE THEY ARE FORCED TO LEARN IN AN ENVIRONMENT OF SOMEONE ELSE'S CULTURE, BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN IN A CULTURE AND ENVIRONMENT THAT IS, UH, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY IN LINE WITH WHERE THEY ARE AND WHO THEY ARE TODAY. SO I, I THINK MORE THAN ANYTHING, UH, THIS IS A, UM, A SCHOOL, UH, DESIGN THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE MAINTENANCE COSTS OVER TIME, THE SCARCITY OF RESOURCES IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT, AND AN OVER, OVER CRITICAL, UH, AN OVER OPINIONATED, UH, UH, DECISION WITH RESPECT TO THIS TYPE OF INVESTMENT, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT THAT THEY'RE RESPECTING THE ADLY HES BUILDING, UH, I THINK IS OUT OF, OUT OF PLACE. AND, UM, I HOPE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, GET THESE KIDS IN SCHOOL AND GET 'EM INTO COLLEGE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID TODAY THAT, UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. UH, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION FROM THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, A LOT THAT HAS BEEN SAID IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING OF THE, UH, CAMPUS SEEMS TO BE WELL THOUGHT OUT AND, UH, MAKES SENSE OUT OF THE WHAT HAD BECOME A SOMEWHAT HAPHAZARD CAMPUS. UH, I ALSO AGREE THAT THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. AND, UM, AS ARCHITECTS, WE ALL KNOW THAT A LOT CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL AND, AND FINAL DESIGN. UH, AND HOPEFULLY THE, THE, UH, APPLICANTS WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, SAID HERE TODAY. UM, MY TWO BIG CONCERNS RIGHT NOW ARE, UH, THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THE LIBRARY AND THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS. UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE DISTRICT TO DO A FULL STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT OF THE LIBRARY, UH, FOUNDATIONS AND ALL THAT. UH, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON OR NOT UNHEARD OF FOR AN EXISTING STRUCTURE TO, IF IT CAN'T SUPPORT A SECOND FLOOR, TO HAVE A STEEL STRUCTURE, UH, INSERTED INTO IT WITH NEW FOUNDATIONS THAT WOULD SUPPORT A SECOND FLOOR. UH, AND THEN OPENING UP, UH, IF YOU WANT TO CONNECT THE, THE EAST TO THE WEST COURTYARDS, UH, YOU KNOW, OPENING UP SOME WALL SECTIONS, UH, TO MAKE A BREEZEWAY. UM, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO REALLY STUDY MORE THE, UH, MAINTAIN MAINTENANCE OF THAT, UH, UH, ATLEY AIRS LIBRARY. UM, IN TERMS OF THE WINDOWS, UM, UH, AGAIN, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE SITE. UH, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL, THAT OPPORTUNITY WILL ARISE AGAIN. BUT BASED ON WHAT, UH, WAS OBSERVED BY OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND THE, UH, UH, GOOD CONDITION THAT THEY, THE WINDOWS ARE IN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE DESIGN TEAM TO [03:55:01] LOOK AT OTHER WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THE ENERGY, UH, CONSIDERATION SUCH AS INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS, UM, AS OPPOSED TO A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT. UM, SO A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. UM, I CAN SEE IN THE, THE ELEVATION THAT'S UP THERE NOW, THE DESIGN TEAM IS, UH, STARTING TO LOOK AT PROPORTIONS OF WINDOWS TO, UH, SOLID WALLS BASED ON THE HISTORIC, UH, ADLEY AIR STRUCTURE. AND SO, UH, THE DESIGN IS VERY THOUGHTFUL. UM, WHETHER EVERY, LIKE COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ SAID, THERE'S, UH, BEAUTIES IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. AND, UM, I THINK WHAT, UH, THEY'VE STARTED TO DO HERE, WHICH IS REFERENCE THE HISTORIC BUILDING WITH SOME OF THE PROPORTIONS OF THE NEW STRUCTURES, UH, BASICALLY PAYS HOMAGE TO THE ATLEY AIR STRUCTURE AND, AND, UH, UH, APPLAUD THEM FOR THAT. UM, I THINK I'LL STOP AT THAT POINT AND SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER FISH OR, UH, COMMISSIONER MOOKA. UH, CHAIRMAN, I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOUR OBSERVATIONS. UM, I'VE WITNESSED, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS BEING, UH, RESTRUCTURED SO THAT, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE SUPPORTED FROM NEW, UM, SUPPORTS WITHIN THE OLD BUILDING. UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE A SITUATION IF YOU CAN DO THAT WITHIN BUDGET. UM, INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS . SO I'M IN CONCURRENCE WITH THOSE WITH YOUR OBSERVATIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I THINK I SHARED SOME OF THE CONCERNS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER BROUGHT UP IN TERMS OF THE, THE, UH, PERCEPTION OF THE ELEVATIONS TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT GENERALLY, UH, THINK THAT THE PLANNING, THE PLANNING OF THIS IS STRONG AND ALSO CONCUR WITH SOME OF YOUR OBSERVATIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. YES, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO CRAFT A, A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE CONCEPTUAL, UM, IT'S THE, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION ARE BROKEN UP INTO THREE SECTIONS. UM, UH, THE, UM, SECTION THAT, THE TOTAL HEIGHT INFORMATION THAT I, I, I, WELL, I THINK MAY, MAYBE, MAYBE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY CLEAR. SO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN WITH STAFF. STIPULATIONS ONE, ITEM ONE, ITEM TWO, AND ITEM THREE. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GENERAL ENOUGH FOR CONCEPTUAL THAT THAT'S A MOTION, SIR, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT. WE DO HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I CAN GET CLARIFICATION, MR. TREMENDOUS, THANK YOU ON WHAT THE MOTION, UH, RECOMMENDS FOR ITEMS TWO AND THREE, THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND THE DOOR REPLACEMENT. WELL, UM, CORY, I, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY SAID THAT THEY ARE, ARE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? SO I IMAGINE THAT THERE'S STILL, UM, UH, ENGAGED IN DIALOGUE WITH Y'ALL, OR THE REPLACEMENT OF DOOR WINDOWS IS NOT CONCEPTUAL. IT'S FOR ACTUAL, 'CAUSE MY MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S ALL CONCEPTUAL. I MEAN, THIS REQUEST IS PART OF WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY, SO, WE'LL, I MEAN, IF THEY DON'T PULL THE REQUEST FOR WINDOWS AND DOORS TO HAVE CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS, THEN WE DO NEED ACTION ON THOSE ITEMS. [04:00:06] AS, AS STATED, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PULL MY SECOND, I HONESTLY THOUGHT ONE, TWO, AND THREE WAS ITEM ONE, TWO, AND THREE. YEAH, WELL, I WAS THINKING THAT I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL CONCEPTUAL, THAT Y'ALL WERE STILL EN ENGAGED IN THE DIALOGUE TO ASSESS THE WINDOWS, MORE SPECIFICALLY, WINDOW PER WINDOW. WELL, THAT CAN BE PART OF YOUR MOTION. CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT, UH, HOW, HOW, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT FEELS ABOUT THAT? YES, SIR. WE, WE COULD COMMIT TO THAT. UM, AND I THINK THE WAY THE APPLICATION'S WRITTEN OF A, UH, MY WORD'S, NOT YOURS, A BLANKET, WE, WE THOU SHALL REPLACE ALL THE WINDOWS CAN CERTAINLY BE AMENDED TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'LL GO LOOK AT THE WINDOWS AND COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS PERCENTAGE OF WINDOWS ARE JUST BEYOND REPAIR. WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THEM WITH A, A, A MORE MODERN ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDOW. AND TO JODY'S POINT, IF THERE ARE WINDOWS THAT, UM, IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO REMOVE THE LIBRARY, WE COULD SALVAGE SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS, EVEN REMOVE A PORTION OF, OF THE LIBRARY. MAYBE WE COULD SALVAGE SOME WINDOWS. AND SO WE COULD HAVE A MORE NUANCED, IF YOU WILL, APPROACH TO THE, TO THE WINDOW AND THE DOOR TREATMENT. OKAY, THEN, THEN LET ME AMEND MY MOTION, MR. CHAIR. UM, OR LET ME RESUBMIT A MOTION, RIGHT TO, UM, UH, UH, APPROVE CONCEPTUAL, WHICH IS ITEM ONE AND, UH, UH, APPROVE ITEM TWO AND THREE PENDING, UM, A, UM, UH, A, UM, AN INVENTORY OF, OF AN INVENTORY AND STRATEGY OF WHAT WINDOWS WOULD BE REPLACED AND, AND WINDOWS AND DOORS WOULD BE REPLACED IN, OR, OR, OR WOULD REMAIN, UM, WHICH WOULD BE ITEM TWO AND THREE. AND, AND, AND MR. CHAIR, SINCE THERE'S NOT A SECOND, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, UH, STUDY THE, UM, STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS OF THE EXISTING LIBRARY FOR THE VIABILITY OF A THIRD FLOOR, AND TO HAVE DOCUMENTATION TO SUBMIT TO THE, THE, UH, H D R C, UH, WITH OPINION, PROFESSIONAL OPINION, UH, GUIDING EITHER WAY, WHETHER IT'S TO SUPPORT OR WHETHER THE STRUCTURE CANNOT SUPPORT. THIS IS A CORRECTION, A SECOND FLOOR, OR NOT A THIRD FLOOR, UH, SECOND FLOOR, EXCUSE ME. SECOND FLOOR. YEAH. SO CORY, DOES THAT PROMOTION WORK FOR Y'ALL? IT WAS EASIER THE FIRST TIME. WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE DOOR TO WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT IS OPEN, PROVIDED THAT A FINAL DECISION WOULD NOT BE MADE UNTIL THE DISTRICT PROVIDES A MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF CONDITION AND OPTIONS FOR RETAINING IN PLACE. E EXACTLY. AND THAT'S CONSIDERING THAT THE, THAT YOUR STIPULATIONS ALREADY SAY THAT WHATEVER THE CASE IS, ANY MATERIALS SALVAGED ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, END UP IN A LANDFILL SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. THAT YOU, THAT THAT'S ALREADY A PART OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UH, FINDINGS OR I MEAN, OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I THINK WE UNDER UNDERSTAND THAT DIRECTION, BECAUSE THIS IS AT THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL. THAT MOTION IS FINE. IF THIS WAS FOR A C O A, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT KIND OF YES OR NO AND WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE. BUT I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT DIRECTION IS UNDERSTOOD IN THE MOTION. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I DO WANNA SAY, COMMISSIONER VALESQUEZ, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ASK WHAT YOU THINK OF STIPULATION NUMBER NINE SINCE IT ALSO RELATES TO DEMOLITION. I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD KEEP DEMOLITION, UM, ITEM REQUESTS, UM, IN THE STIPULATIONS THAT, THAT EXISTING SECTIONS OF RETAINING WALL AND ANOTHER HISTORIC SITE. THAT'S, THAT, THAT PART MM-HMM. , UH, YES. WELL, WELL, I, IN, IN THE CONCEPTUAL FOR ITEM ONE THAT ALL OF THOSE STIPULATIONS STAND. OKAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES. JUST VERY BRIEFLY, IF I CAN, JUST, AS YOU'VE PROGRESS IN THE DESIGN PORTION OF THIS, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT PERHAPS MAYBE PRESENTING SOMETHING, NOT A FINAL, BUT SOME, SOMETHING TO, UH, SOME RENDERINGS THAT GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SYMPATHY OR REVERENCE TO THE ART DECKLE STYLE. 'CAUSE I JUST, ON, ON, ON YOUR, ON YOUR PRODUCTS THAT I SEE NOW, I KNOW WE'RE FAR, YOU KNOW, WELL FAR, UH, AWAY FROM THAT. BUT IF, IF YOU COULD PRESENT SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF YOUR RENDERINGS THAT'D KIND OF DO THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT. AND, AND YES. AND WE HAD SAID, UM, AT OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, ON MONDAY AND HEARING ALL OF THESE CONCERNS, WE ARE, AS, AS WE SAID, WE'RE IN SCHEMATIC DESIGN. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF [04:05:01] ADDING THAT DETAIL THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AND AS WELL AS UPDATING OUR FINISHES. SO, UM, AS PART OF THE PROCESS, WE WILL BE ADDING MORE DETAIL TO THE, TO THE IMAGERY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND, AND JUST REAL QUICK, COMMISSIONERS, MY APOLOGIES FOR, FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT BEFORE YOU GUYS TAKE ACTION, I'D, I'D LIKE TO, UM, JUST MENTION TRUSTEE GARZA WAS ABLE TO JOIN US. UM, SO IF, IF YOU WOULD, UH, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO ADDRESS YOU GUYS, UH, WE WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. YES, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. I'M TRYING TO FIND HIM. UM, DID HE CALL ? DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF HE CALLED IN? IS HE ON, ON THE MEETING WITH SOMEBODY? YES, I THINK HE'S THE CALL IN NUMBER. OKAY. MR. GARZA, ARE YOU THERE? YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DIAL STAR SIX FOR US TO HEAR YOU. TESTING, TESTING, 1, 2, 3. TESTING. ALRIGHT, WE GOT YOU. THANK YOU. OH, GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE, I HAD TO STEP OUT AT FIVE O'CLOCK. I WAS FOLLOWING Y'ALL ONLINE, BUT I HAD A, ANOTHER MEETING TO ATTEND THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO CATCH THE, THE TAIL END OF THE DISCUSSION. AND FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR THE JOB THAT YOU DO AS MEMBERS OF THE H D R C COMMISSION. I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE, UH, A LOT TO, UH, TO LOOK AT FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE RESIDENT COMMENTS. THEY'RE ALL MY NEIGHBORS. SO I CERTAINLY HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO LISTEN TO THE THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS AND THE PASSION ABOUT THE ALE'S ORIGINAL 1935 BUILDING. THE ONE PIECE THAT'S REALLY NOT VISIBLE TODAY AT THE HEARING IS THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE STUDENT AND THE YOUNG LADIES AND THE, THE COMMUNITY AT YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY THAT HAS CREATED NOT ONE, BUT TWO NATIONAL BLUE RIBBON, UH, ACCOLADES THAT, UH, THE DISTRICT HAS SEEN THIS SCHOOL, UH, BECOME SUCCESSFUL. AND ACTUALLY, IT'S ONE OF THE HARDEST SCHOOLS TO GET INTO. IT HAS A LONG WAITING LIST. AND SO IT'S EVEN A MORE REASON WHY WE ALL NEED TO GET IT RIGHT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE, UH, OF THESE YOUNG FUTURE LEADERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, THESE YOUNG LADIES ARE LOOKING AT THIS EXAMPLE FOR, FOR THEM. I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THIS PROJECT BECAME A HIGH PRIORITY PROJECT BECAUSE THE YOUNG LADY SPOKE AT OUR SCHOOL BOARD MEETING SAYING, LOOK AT ALL THESE OTHER SCHOOLS THAT ARE GETTING BOND FUNDING. WE WANT OUR SCHOOL TO HAVE ALL OF THE, THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE, THE, UH, THE CLASSROOM SPACE AND THE FACILITY, THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES. THERE ARE HIGH SCHOOL GRADES THAT ARE USING MIDDLE SCHOOL DESIGNED PROGRAM SPACES. AND SO, UH, WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THESE YOUNG LADIES, UH, THROUGH EMOTIONAL PLEA THAT THEY WANTED THE BEST, THEY WANTED STATE OF THE ART, THEY WANTED, UH, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WERE NOT MENTIONED TODAY. BUT, UH, MY RESPONSE TO THEM IS, ALL OF THAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT IT'S WITHIN THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF A, A UNIQUE SPACE. UH, I WENT TO HORSEMAN, AND SO I, I DO APPRECIATE WHAT THE, THE BUILDING REPRESENTS AND TOOK WOOD SHOP IN WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE LIBRARY. IT WAS THE OLD WOOD SHOP THAT HAS NOW BEEN COMPLETELY REMOVED. UH, AND SO MY MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS IS A BALANCE. AND, AND I THINK WHAT Y'ALL ARE PROPOSING IS A BALANCE MOVING FORWARD AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE BEST, UH, SOLUTIONS FOR NOT ONLY THE PRESERVATION OF SOME GREAT ARCHITECTURE AND A STORY FOR SAN ANTONIO, BUT ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW THE, THE USERS, THE YOUNG LADIES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DESIGN PROCESS SO THAT THEIR VISIONS CAN BE REALIZED ON THIS CAMPUS. AND, AND LIKE I SAID, UH, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO A WIN-WIN SITUATION. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE, THE NEW ADDITION AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. AND, AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET TO THAT POINT WHERE, UH, WE'RE ALL VERY PROUD OF THIS PROJECT, BUT I WANT TO THANK ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT CHIMED IN AND, UH, WERE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE, THE, UH, ISSUES THAT THEY PRESENTED AND OUR ARCHITECTURE TEAM AND, AND STAFF. THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB. KEEP IN MIND, THEY'VE GOT, UH, SOME 34 CAMPUSES THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR ON, AND MOST OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD. SO, UH, I THINK WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THIS PROCESS, HOPEFULLY WILL BE APPLIED, UH, TO DIFFERENT DEGREES AT OUR OTHER CAMPUSES THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH BOND IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, FOR [04:10:01] THIS OPPORTUNITY AND, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, TO TAKING THE NEXT STEP. THANK YOU. UH, THIS POINT, GO AHEAD. MAY I RESTATE THE MOTION JUST SO IT'S CLEAR FOR EVERYONE? UM, THIS WAS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATIONS 1, 2, 3, AND NINE? NO, ALL, ALL OF THEM ALL STIPULATIONS. OKAY. ONE THROUGH 10. AND THEN CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO AND THREE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF THE WINDOW AND DOOR CONDITIONS AND SUBMIT OPTIONS FOR REPAIR AND RETENTION IN PLACE. YES. AND THE ADDED STIPULATION FROM MR. VELASQUEZ THAT THE, UH, LIBRARY STRUCTURE BE STUDIED, CORRECT? FOR SECOND FLOOR EDITION, POTENTIALLY? YES. WELL, WELL, MR. MR CHAIR, UM, THE WAY THAT THE, THE WAY THAT IT'S BROKEN UP, I, I, UM, AND I WOULD ASK THIS, THE, THE, UM, THE MAKER OF THE, OF, OF THE SECOND, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I WOULD LIKE TO DROP, UM, ON ITEM ONE, NUMBER SIX, I I, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT IN THE DISCRETION OF THE, OF THE DESIGNER, THE DESIGN TEAM, WITH RESPECT TO HOW THEIR, THEIR CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR FENESTRATION RELATES TO THE HEIRS BUILDING. AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY, UM, THE, THE DECO VOCABULARY TO BEGIN WITH BE, YOU KNOW, 19, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, 19 20, 19 40, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. IT'S, IT GETS MORE STRIPPED AS TIME GOES ON. SO IN, IN, IN, IN ABSTRACTING A, A DECO, LIKE AN ADELA AIRS DECO, RIGHT, SAN ANTONIO DECO, IT'S ALREADY VERY, VERY STRIPPED. SO THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY LIMITED BECAUSE DECO BY IT IN ITS OWN RIGHT, HAS THESE GRAND ENTRANCES, AND THEN THEY, THEY, THEY FLATTEN OUT FOR THE MOST PART AS THEY BECOME MORE TRUE TO THE INTERNATIONAL STYLE. SO IT, I I THINK THEY, THEY ONLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH SHADOW AND DIMENSION, AND, AND THAT'S SUCH A, SUCH A DELICATE, UH, TRICK WITH RESPECT TO THE DESIGN THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED, THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF, IF, IF THEY JUST HAVE THE DISCRETION TO MESS WITH THE SHADOW LINES AND WITH THE DIMENSIONS AS THEY'VE ALREADY, UH, UH, ACHIEVED. UH, I KNOW THAT WE WANT 'EM TO TAKE IT A LITTLE FURTHER. AND AS DIRECTLY RELATED TO COMMISSIONER, UH, JIMMY'S COMMENTS A SECOND AGO AND UNDERSTANDING HOW, HOW, WHEN DECO IS ABSTRACTED, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH, WITH, WELL, IT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE SKILLS, SO I'D RATHER LEAVE IT TO THEM. THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. UM, SO, SO ON ITEM ONE, IF WE COULD LEAVE OUT, UM, SIX, THEN THEY CAN HAVE THE DISCRETION TO BE CREATIVE IN A, IN A VERY LIMITED ARCHETYPE OF ARCHITECTURE. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING AND EXPECTATION WOULD BE FOR ALL 10 OF THOSE ITEMS, I THINK THE WINDOW, UM, KEEPING KEEPING THE WINDOW STIPULATION IN PLACE DOCUMENTS ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS AND COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT THE WINDOWS. UM, AND THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE WINDOWS. UM, IT CAN BE INTERPRETED. UM, LET'S SAY, UM, UH, WHERE IS THIS NOW? I'M LOOKING FOR, UM, OPENINGS WITH A SIMILAR PROPORTION OF WALL TO WINDOWS SPACE. IT'S, IT IS GENERAL IN ITSELF. OKAY. IT ALLOWS, IT ALLOWS THAT FREEDOM. OKAY. AND I THINK IT CAN GO EITHER WAY. IT CAN GO SMALLER AND LARGER AND SO DEEPER. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IT'S OKAY TO KEEP IT ALL. OH, OKAY. I WOULD, I WOULD MAINTAIN MY SECOND. WELL, I, I MAINTAIN THE MOTION AS GIVEN. I THANK YOU BECAUSE I WAS, YOU WERE ABOUT TO LOSE ME IF, IF IT DIDN'T, BECAUSE FOR ME, UH, MY REFERENCES, MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THIRD DIMENSION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH KIND OF PICKING UP ON THE STYLISTIC VOCABULARY OF, OF THE ART DECO. BUT PICKING UP ON THE PROPORTIONALITY OF IT, THAT WAS MY POINT. THAT IT WAS, IT WAS ON THE CUSP OF MODERNISM, RIGHT? AND YET IT STILL HAD PROPORTIONALITY THAT WAS HARKENING BACK THAT WE LOSE ALONG THE WAY, RIGHT? IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, IT'S MISSING A BASE, A SENSE OF HOW THE BUILDING MEETS THE GROUND. I'M NOT WANTING, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF STEPPY, AIR STREAMY [04:15:01] THINGS, RIGHT? I WANNA BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT MY COMMENTS ON THIS AND, AND APOLOGIZE IF MY CRITIQUE BECAME CRITICISM. BUT IT'S THROUGH CRITIQUE THAT WE MAKE THESE THINGS BETTER. AND, AND JUST AS THE, THE, THE, UH, THE TRUSTEE, UH, GARZA WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE EXCEPTIONAL WOMEN. THIS NEEDS TO BE AN EXCEPTIONAL CAMPUS. AND I THINK IN THE PLANNING'S EXCEPTIONAL, I THINK IN THE ELEVATIONS IT CAN BE EXCEPTIONAL. SO I CHARGE THIS TEAM TO GO BACK AND REALLY THINK ABOUT THE D N A OF WHAT THE ART DECO IS, AND PART OF THAT IS REALLY TIED TO THE PROPORTIONALITY. SO ITEM, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER SIX FOR ME IS VERY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH, AYE, SINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MORALES IS ABSENT MA. AYE CARPENTER AYE GROUP HAS LEFT THE MEETING. UH, CERVANTES? YES, THAT SIR. AYE LA IS, UM, ABSENT MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, BOTH THE, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE DESIGN TEAM, AND ALL THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE, UH, DESIGN TEAM AND SCHOOL DISTRICT TO CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AS THE DESIGN DEVELOPS FURTHER, UH, TO MAKE PRESENTATIONS AND GET, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDBACK AS WELL AS REQUEST, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, SESSIONS WITH THIS COMMISSION. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I'M GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. [04:20:50] ROLAND, ARE YOU THERE? ARE WE STILL HAVE COMMISSIONER FISH? OKAY, JEFF, WE HAVE SIX. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER AND NOW GO TO CASE NUMBER 22. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 9 4. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 1100 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE FOOTPRINT OF THE REAR ADDITION SO THAT IT DOES NOT DOUBLE THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND SUBMITS UPDATED SITE. UPDATED PLANS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING E TWO THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A ROOF FORM THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING F THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGES THE WINDOWS AND DOOR REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE REAR ADDITION AND REUSES THEM ON THE ADDITION, STORES THEM ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE OR DONATES THEM TO A LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE STORE BASED ON FINDING H FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS FEATURING WINDOWS OF TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS ON THE EAST ELEVATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING I FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES FENESTRATION PATTERN IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS, INCORPORATING WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS OF THE REAR. ADDITION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING J SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARDS. UH, WINDOW STIPULATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING K SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS HARDY SIDING, THAT FEATURES A REVEAL OF NO MORE THAN SIX INCHES AND A SMOOTH TEXTURE BASED ON FINDING L AND EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES AN OFFSET OR REVEAL TO PROVIDE A CLEAR VISUAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING M AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, JENNIFER TORRES IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. AND JENNIFER, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE. HI EVERYONE. PERFECT. GOOD EVENING. HI, GOOD EVENING. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? YES. I ACTUALLY, UM, WROTE IT DOWN. UM, SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TODAY. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL. I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK FOR MYSELF, MY HUSBAND AND MY DAUGHTER. A FEW MONTHS AGO WE BOUGHT 5 23 EAST WES AND HAD HIGH DREAMS AND HOPES FOR THIS HOUSE. WE ABSOLUTELY FELL IN LOVE WITH THE CHARM OF THE HOUSE AND THE POTENTIAL IT HAD TO GROW. MY DAUGHTER WILL BE ATTENDING ST. ANTHONY CATHOLIC SCHOOL FOR HER FIRST YEAR OF ELEMENTARY THIS FALL JUST A FEW BLOCKS AWAY, AND WE COULDN'T BE MORE HAPPY WITH LIVING HERE. NEEDLESS TO SAY, I'M HERE IN HOPES OF GAINING YOUR VOTE AND KEEPING OUR HOME WITH THE RENOVATIONS WE HAVE STARTED. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR VIOLATING THE RULES ON BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION BEFORE YOUR APPROVAL. IT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION, UM, UH, TO VIOLATE ANYTHING. IT WAS SOLELY A LACK OF EDUCATION IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AS THIS IS OUR VERY FIRST TIME DOING SO. UM, BUT WITH THE HELP OF RACHEL AND MANY NIGHTS OF GOOGLING AND RESEARCHING, I HAVE STARTED TO LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT LIVING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. I AM HERE TO COMPLY WITH AS MUCH AS I CAN WITH THE STIPULATIONS GIVEN OUT OF THE EIGHT STIPULATIONS. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THREE OF THEM IN DEPTH, INCLUDING THE WINDOWS, ROOF, AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ADDITIONS. SO I ORIGINALLY PURCHASED ALL VINYL WINDOWS, [04:25:01] WHICH LATER LEARNED THAT IT DID NOT MEET THE GUIDELINES, UH, GIVEN TO ME. SO I AM PURCHASING ALL NEW WINDOWS, SPECIFICALLY THE GEL 1 2500 SERIES WOOD WINDOWS. UM, IN ADDITION TO PURCHASING ALL NEW WINDOWS, I AM I PLAN ON IMPLEMENTING TWO MORE ON THE, UH, WEST ELEVATION. UM, TRYING TO THINK. YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE WEST, WEST ELEVATION. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. UM, I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, ADDING ONE OR TWO MORE ON THE EAST ELEVATION, JUST DEPENDS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU GUYS THINK. UM, SO I PLAN ON DOING THAT, UM, AND I'M JUST NOTING THAT IT, IT'S GONNA COST ME SIX TO $7,000 TO DO SO. UM, SO THE OTHER TWO STIPULATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FURTHER WITH YOU IS, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN COLLABORATE AND OR GAIN A WAIVER TO HELP US IN KEEPING THE CURRENT STATUS OF OUR ROOF AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ADDITION, AS IT WILL FINANCIALLY HIT US VERY HARD IF WE HAD TO REDO IT ALL DUE TO AN IGNORANT AND IN INNOCENT MISTAKE. ON MY PART, I HAVE SENT RACHEL AN ESTIMATE OF RECONSTRUCTING A NEW ROOF THROUGH THE CONTRACTOR AND A ROOFING COMPANY, WHICH WILL HURT US FINANCIALLY. IF IT CAME DOWN TO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO ARGUE THAT. UM, SO ACCORDING TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME ON THE ROOF STYLES, UM, I DID READ THAT IT STATES THAT IT SHOULD BE THE SAME AS THOSE ON MY BLOCK. SO AFTER LIVING HERE FOR A FEW WEEKS ALREADY, UM, WE SEE HOMES, UM, AND I'VE ACTUALLY SENT A LOT OF THE PHOTOS TO RACHEL. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF SHE WAS ABLE TO UPLOAD THEM ALL, BUT A LOT OF THESE HOMES ON MY BLOG JUST GOING DOWN FURTHER WEST ON ATCH AND EVEN JUST FURTHER NORTH, UM, ALL IN THE ON, UM, NORTH, ALL IN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT. I JUST NOTICED ALL OF THESE SLOPED ROOFS, EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE. UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, FLAT ONES AS WELL, VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS AN ARGUMENT IN TRYING TO KEEP OUR CURRENT STYLE ROOF THAT WE HAVE. UM, IT, WHICH IS BARELY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UM, SO THERE YOU GO. YEAH, THERE'S MORE. I I'VE SENT HER LIKE, I FEEL LIKE A DOZEN OF 'EM. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF MY ARGUMENT ON THAT. UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, SO AS I, I, UM, I GUESS DREW UP, UM, A DRAWING TO SHOW HOW MUCH OF THE HOUSE, INCLUDING THE ADDITION AND THE ORIGINAL SHED THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY, WE DON'T EVEN, WE BARELY, UH, MAKE UP A QUARTER OF THE LOTS. UM, SO I JUST HOPE THAT THAT IS CONSIDERED, UH, OR YOU GUYS TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. UM, WHEN I'VE BUILT SOMETHING THAT IS MORE THAN DOUBLING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. UM, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AS WE ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN IT RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT, UM, IT'S JUST A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH, UM, THE KITCHEN SLASH LAUNDRY ROOM. IT'S, IT'S DUAL, UH, PURPOSE AT THIS MOMENT. UM, SO ALL I'M DOING IS I'M JUST ADDING ONE EXTRA BEDROOM WITH ITS OWN BATHROOM, UH, UH, UH, AND, AND A KITCHEN AND A, AND A LIVING ROOM AREA. SO I AM, I'M NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE THIS LIKE MONSTROSITY STRUCTURE, UM, AT ALL. SO, UM, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT AS WELL, AGAIN, DRIVING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVEN USING, UH, GOOGLE SATELLITE IMAGERY, I SEE MANY HOMES THAT TAKE UP EVEN 90% OF THEIR LOT. SO, UM, JUST WANT TO, UH, BRING THAT UP 'CAUSE IT DOES MAKE ME FEEL, UM, MAYBE LIKE I'M, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S JUST NOT FAIR IN A WAY. UM, AND SO ANOTHER POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UM, IS THAT I'VE COME TO REALIZE THAT MY STREET, WHICH IS E ATCH AND KINGS COURT INTERSECTION, THAT'S MY BLOCK, UM, WALKING MY DOG UP AND DOWN THE STREET, I NOTICED THAT MY STREET, UM, A SIGN COLOR IS BLUE, UM, WHICH IF YOU GO FURTHER WEST, UM, ON MY STREET, IT TURNS BROWN. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE ANYBODY DRIVING UP AND DOWN MY STREET WILL NEVER EVEN KNOW THAT IT MEANT I AM IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, UNLESS THEY, YOU KNOW, KNEW LIKE THE MAPS AND THE BOUNDARIES OF IT ALL. UM, AND, AND I DID BRING THIS UP TO RACHEL, SHE DID CLARIFY WITH [04:30:01] ME THAT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU GUYS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I BELIEVE SHE SAID IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CITY. UM, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO AGAIN, UM, ADD TO MY ARGUMENT HOPEFULLY THAT, UM, YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO, UH, GIVE ME A WAIVER ON THE CURRENT STYLE OF MY ROOF AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE ARE BUILDING. UM, ALL THE MONEY FOR THE NEW WINDOWS WAS BORROWED FROM A CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER, AND I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A NEW ROOF OR DEMOLITION OF OUR ADDITION. UM, AND SO PLEASE NOTE THAT WE STILL NEED MONEY TO REPURPOSE THE ORIGINAL SHED, WHICH ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT ABOUT JUST NOT USING. UM, BUT JUST LEARNING AGAIN MORE ABOUT, UM, THE HISTORY SIDE OF IT. UM, I'M VERY MUCH OPEN TO, UH, RESTORING IT AND USING IT AS MAYBE A CASITA OR OF, OF SOME SORT. SO THAT WILL TAKE UP, UM, YOU KNOW, MONEY THERE AS WELL AS THE FRONT FACADE OF OUR HOME. WE DO HAVE WOOD ROD ON ALL OF OUR WINDOW TRIM. UM, AND JUST, IT JUST NEEDS A LITTLE BIT T L C, BUT AS FAR AS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, WE ARE NOT RECONSTRUCTING IT AT ALL. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAYBE, UH, CHANGING THE COLOR OF THE EXTERIOR, UM, IMPLEMENTING YOU, UH, WINDOW TRIM, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST T L C ON THE, ON OUR FRONT PORCH. UM, SO I JUST WANNA END, UM, WHAT I HAVE TO SAY WITH THAT, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THIS HOME FIT A FAMILY OF THREE THAT INCLUDES A FIVE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND WE JUST CAN'T, UH, WAIT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY OUR BACKYARD AND A NEW HOME AND JUST RESUME THIS NORMAL LIFE. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STRESS JUST DEALING WITH THIS, JUST NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA BE OUR FUTURE. UM, SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK AND FOR ME TO SHARE MY STORY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS, BUT THERE IS ONE LETTER IN THE FOLDER. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER FISH. I'M SORRY, THERE'S A BIT OF FEEDBACK. YES, SIR. UM, I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW THIS ROOF WORKS. IF WE CAN LOOK AT SLIDE NUMBER 23, MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON BETWEEN THE LOW SLOPED ADDITION AND THEN THE GABLED ADDITION ON THE BACK. MAYBE CONSTRUCTION PHOTOS WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE THAN THIS MODEL. YES. 'CAUSE YEAH. OH, IT SHOULD BE A SIDE, UM, IMAGE. LEMME SEE ONE UP. THERE YOU GO. 43. THERE YOU GO. MR. CHAIR, THERE'S A PICTURE THAT MIGHT HELP COMMISSIONER. UM, IT'S, I THINK IT'S IMAGE 52. IT'S A PICTURE OF THE ROOF WITH THE DECKING THAT SHOWS THE JUNCTION 51 SHOWS WHAT I 51 SHOWS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. 51. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON THERE NOW. OKAY, SO IF I'M TAKING A LOOK AT THE, THE STIPULATIONS, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I WANNA TALK ABOUT FIRST AND HAND IT OVER TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. I THINK STIPULATION ONE, UM, THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE FOOTPRINT OF THE REAR ADDITION SO THAT IT DOES NOT DOUBLE THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, ITEMS WE HAVE HERE. AND IT'S, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT WHEN WE SEE, UH, THESE HISTORIC HOUSES THAT ARE OF A SCALE, THAT YOUR ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS AT 800 SQUARE FEET THAT WE CONSIDER, UH, INCREASES. UH, WITHIN SOME REASON, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE FOOTPRINT AS IT IS PROPOSED, HOWEVER, I SUSPECT SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL BE UNEASY WITH THAT. BUT I'M JUST GONNA MOVE THROUGH THESE, THESE STIPULATIONS ITEM BY ITEM, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT, THE ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A ROOF FORM THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, I DO THINK THAT REAR ADDITIONS NEED TO HAVE, UH, A SUBORDINATE ROOF. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT THERE ARE ARE LOWER SLOPE [04:35:01] REAR ADDITION ROOFS. I, I'M NOT QUITE COMFORTABLE AT WHERE THIS, THIS ATTACHES TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME ELEMENT OF THIS THAT IS REASONABLE, ASIDE FROM THAT CONNECTION TO THE REAR GABLE THAT IS TYING INTO THAT SLOPE THAT DROPS DOWN. I THINK THAT COULD BE EASILY REMEDIED. YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, UH, THE WINDOWS AND THE ADDITION OF WINDOWS, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PROVIDE, UH, THOSE, THOSE WINDOWS, UH, TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF PROPORTION, DIMENSION, AND THOSE THINGS BEFORE ANY PURCHASES ARE MADE, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER ISSUES GOING FORWARD WITH THE WINDOWS. AND THE LAST ONE IS THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES AN OFFSET OR REVEAL TO PROVIDE CLEAR VISUAL DISTINCTION BETWEEN PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION. UM, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THIS IS OFFSET CAN STAFF, UH, ADD SOME CLARITY TO THAT STIPULATION? FOR ME? THAT IS CORRECT. THE ADDITION IS WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. UM, AND USUALLY STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, SOME SORT OF TRIM PIECE BE ADDED AT THE REAR ADDITION TO ENHANCE THAT DISTINCTION. THE DRAWING, IT APPEARS FLUSH, BUT IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS IT APPEARS SET BACK AND I THINK THE RENDERING MAY HELP. OKAY. I THINK I UNDERSTAND. I'LL, I'LL HAND IT OFF TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU. UM, I ATTENDED BOTH OF THE D R C MEETINGS, BOTH THE SITE VISIT AS WELL AS THE ZOOM. UM, AND THERE'S, UH, QUITE A BIT HERE TO, UM, ADDRESS. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING SOME OF THE LOGIC, UM, THAT WE'VE, THAT MS. TORRES AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER FISH HAVE MENTIONED, UM, ON A LARGE LOT WHERE WE HAVE NORMALLY A VERY SMALL OR MODEST HOUSE, THERE IS QUITE OFTEN FLEXIBILITY GIVEN SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM, SO, AND THIS DOES EXCEED IT QUITE A BIT. UM, BUT THAT ASIDE, WE ALSO LOOK AT ADDITIONS BEING SECONDARY WITH A SECONDARY ROOF. AND MS. TORRES, YOU'VE PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES OF SHED ROOFS RIGHT AROUND MY, UM, YEAH, JUST YEAH, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, JUST MY NEIGHBORS BASICALLY, YES. MM-HMM. , UM, AND THEN JUST DRIVING UP THE STREET. AND THEN MY DAUGHTER CURRENTLY GOES TO LAUREL HEIGHTS, UM, WEEKDAY SCHOOL, SO I'M ALWAYS UP AND DOWN, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO I JUST NOTICED SO MANY HOUSES THAT HAVE THE SAME STYLE ROOF. UM, AND SO I JUST WANT HOPEFULLY, UM, TO USE THAT AS A GO, AS AN ARGUMENT TO KEEP THE CURRENT STYLE OF IT NOW. SURE, SURE. UM, THE, THE SHED ROOF IS OFTEN USED WHEN, UM, HOMEOWNERS ARE MAKING ADDITIONS. AND AS YOU SAW THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ADDITIONS HAVE BEEN COBBLED ON FOR DECADES. A GABLE HERE, A SHED THERE, AND THE HOUSE BEGINS TO GET LARGER AND THAT'S USUALLY HOW THAT SHED ROOF IS USED FOR A SMALLER ADDITION, UM, BECAUSE IT EASILY KIND OF TUCKS AWAY BEHIND THE BACK OR THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS A, UM, SORT OF A MISMATCH OF LARGE SQUARE FOOTAGE LARGER THAN NORMALLY THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY FIND COMPATIBLE AS A ADDITION TO A MAIN HOUSE WITH THE KIND OF ROOF THAT WE WOULD PUT ON A A, A VERY SMALL SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO KEEPING THE LARGE SQUARE FOOTAGE MIGHT BE YOUR DESIRE. UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE ROOF FORM THAT ACCOMPANIES THAT VERY, VERY LARGE SQUARE FOOT NEEDS TO RESPOND TO THE HOUSE. AND IT IS A MAJOR RENOVATION. IT'S, IT'S A MAJOR ADDITION. IT'S NOT JUST THE LITTLE THING TUCKED IN THE BACK. IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AND SHOULD HAVE THE KIND OF ROOF, UM, TO COMPLIMENT THE REST OF THE HOUSE. SO I, UM, AND THEN WITH THE WINDOWS, I'M, I'M TICKLED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS. I THINK YOU'LL BE MUCH HAPPIER WITH THEM IN THE LONG RUN ALSO. BUT, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, I'M ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE NEW WINDOWS. SO YES, YOU WILL, AND ADDING A COUPLE, ADDING, UH, AT LEAST ONE ON THAT WEST SIDE [04:40:01] WOULD BE WISE. FURTHER, UH, FURTHER BACK IN THE ADDITION, NOT WHERE THOSE TWO ARE, BUT FARTHER TO THE NORTH. AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU DEFINITELY NEED A COUPLE MORE WINDOWS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A HOUSE. BUT AGAIN, THAT SHAPE IS USUALLY RESERVED FOR A VERY, VERY SECONDARY SUBORDINATE KIND OF ADDITION. SO THAT'S WHERE THE DISCONNECT AND THE INCONGRUITY COMES IN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I, I JUST WANNA ADD, UM, IF IF THE PITCH HAD GONE IN THE DIRECTION THAT IT SHOULD HAVE GONE IN, THEN IT WOULD'VE KIND OF BEEN IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE IT SUBORDINATE TO THE FRONT BECAUSE YOU WOULD'VE HAD A, YOU PITCH THAT WOULD'VE GONE REAL HIGH. BUT THE PROBLEM THAT YOU CREATED, UM, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, APPROVALS OR DISAPPROVALS, BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE ROOF SURFACE THAT YOU PUT ON THAT ROOF. 'CAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU REALLY BASICALLY HAVE A FLAT ROOF AND THERE'S A LOT OF MODERN OPTIONS AND YOUR CONTRACTOR OR A CONTRACTOR WILL TYPICALLY GIVE YOU THE, THE MOST AFFORDABLE OR MOST FEASIBLE ROOF, UH, MATERIAL. BUT, UM, YES, I THINK YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, GET GOOGLE AND LOOK FOR, UH, THE BEST OPTION FOR THIS. I MEAN, COMMERCIAL STYLE P V C OR, OR A T P O. THERE, THERE'S THESE MATERIALS THAT, THAT ARE VERY GOOD MATERIALS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A, A, A LACK OF WATER FLOW IN THE LONG RUN, YOU COULD END UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL PROBLEMS OF A FLAT ROOF. SO, UM, LOOK INTO THAT AND MAKE SURE YOU, YOU, YOU, WELL, YOU, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT YOUR MONEY SOMEWHERE THAT, UM, YOU GET THE BEST ROOF POSSIBLE FOR THAT CONDITION. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. VELAZQUEZ. UM, ACTUALLY EVERYTHING IS UP TO CODE. UM, THAT'S, UM, MY CONTRACTOR, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, BUT, UM, HE, WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THIS GOING, THIS, THIS LATE. HE'S ACTUALLY ON A FLIGHT RIGHT NOW. UM, HE WAS HERE EARLIER, BUT ANYWAYS, UM, UH, JUST FROM THINGS THAT HE'S TOLD ME THAT, UM, THE ROOF IS COMPLETELY UP TO CODE AND JUST LIKE FA YOU MENTIONED INITIALLY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WENT WITH THIS IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT PITCH TO BE HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. UM, AND, UM, BUT IT, IT DOES SLOPE TO WHERE YOU GET A, A GOOD WATER FLOW AND THAT'S ALL YOU SEE FROM, FROM THE SIDEWALK THERE. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. UH, YES. IS IT COMMISSIONER, UM, QUICKLY, MS. TORRES, UM, WE DISCUSSED A, A, A DOUBLE UH, GABLE ROOF WITH A CRICKET MOVING IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS THE EXISTING SLOPE WITH YOUR GENERAL CONTRACTOR. DID. IS THAT THE ALTERNATIVE HE PRICED OR DID YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THAT ALTERNATIVE? UM, YEAH, I THINK THE, WHAT HE QUOTE QUOTED ME ON WAS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SHOW THE ESTIMATE, UM, 'CAUSE IT'LL SAY IT THERE, BUT, UM, IT, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DECONSTRUCTING. THERE YOU GO. BUT WHAT WAS THE DESIGN OR THE NEW ROOF PLAN THAT HE WAS QUOTING, THAT HE WAS PRICING? UM, THIS IS ALL THAT HE, UH, WROTE IN THE ESTIMATE. UM, WE DIDN'T REALLY GO AS FAR AS CREATING AN ACTUAL DESIGN OF IT BECAUSE, UM, LIKE I AM, LIKE I MENTIONED, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, WE REALLY JUST HOPE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP THE, THE CURRENT STYLE OF RUTH. UH, WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD CHANGING IT. UM, BUT HE WENT AHEAD AND JUST STILL, STILL GAVE ME, UM, A QUOTE. AND TO BE HONEST, YOU, I DON'T, LET'S SEE IF I CAN READ IT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, UH, BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY 22,000 THAT PITCH, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS, UM, RECOMMENDS AND KEEPING THE SAME, UH, STYLE AS THE, UH, ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS TO PITCH IT. UM, BUT ONE THING THAT HE DID MENTION TO ME IS THAT HE DOESN'T ADVISE DOING THAT BECAUSE IT WILL NOT MEET CODE, UH, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY HIGHER THAN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. OKAY. THE, HE MAY BE LOOKING AT SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT. I REMEMBER AT THE SITE VISIT THERE WERE A COUPLE ARCHITECTS AND ATTENDANCE WHO SKETCHED OUT THE SAME, THE SAME SOLUTION AND GAVE IT TO HIM. SO, UM, OH, OKAY. YOU MAY WANNA CIRCLE BACK. THAT WOULD WORK. IT WOULD, IT WOULD STAY BELOW THE [04:45:01] EXISTING FRONT GABLE. THAT'S WHY WE WERE KIND OF EXCITED ABOUT IT. OKAY. UM, SO YOU SAID YOU DID DISCUSS IT WITH HIM? YES. I'M TRYING TO SEE IF HE'S AVAILABLE. I KNOW HE'S ON A FLIGHT RIGHT NOW. WELL, IT'S, OH, OKAY. HE'S LISTENING. UM, HE'S, HE IS TEXTING ME. HE HAS WIFI ON THE PLANE. UM, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT WAS THE SCHEME THAT HE PRICED FOR YOU. OKAY. HE SAID THAT HE NEVER RECEIVED PLANS, UM, ME REMIND HIM, UM, THAT IT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD WITH HIM. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I HAD CONVERSATION AND ANOTHER OH, IT WAS FOR A DOUBLE GABLE ALSO? YES. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE'S QUOTING ME. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ATTEMPT A MOTION. YES, SIR. I HAD TO, TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 4, 5, 6, 7 AND 4, 5, 6, 7. AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT EIGHT IS POSSIBLE AT THIS POINT. I, UM, SO IS THAT THE LAST 1, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN? NO, EIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? AND THREE? I'M SORRY. I'LL SECOND THAT. RACHEL, CAN YOU ZOOM IN JUST A HAIR MORE? YEAH. SALVAGE WINDOW. UM, COMMISSIONER THIS, THIS IS MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS COMMISSIONER BUSH. YES, SIR. I COULD OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ADD A NINTH STIPULATION THAT THE, THE REAR GABLE RIDGE BE EXTENDED HORIZONTALLY UNTIL IT DIES INTO THE NEW SLOPED ROOF. UH, I WOULD ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT AND I'M NOT SURE. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I WAS TELLING HER ABOUT THE ROOFING MATERIALS. I'M NOT SURE THAT THE SLOPE IS EVEN ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE FULL, UH, SLOPE, BUT BY ALL MEANS, IF IT, IF IT CAN, IF WE CAN PUT, IF WE CAN PUT SLIDE 51 BACK ON THE SCREEN JUST FOR CLARITY. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT. LEAVE THAT RIDGE, THAT RIDGE CAN BE CARRIED UP PROPERLY RATHER THAN TAKING THAT DIVE DOWN. OH, COMMISSIONER FISH, WHAT IF, WHAT IF WE ADDED NINE USING THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU USE AND THEN ADD, PROVIDED THAT THE RIDGE OF THE GABLE EVENLY MEETS WITH THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE FLAT SLOPE OF THE SLOPED FLAT? THE SLOPED PLANE. THE SLOPED PLANE. UM, I'M JUST GONNA COMMENT ON MY, MY CONTRACTOR IS TEXTING ME. HE SAID THAT LET THEM KNOW IT'S A TWO 12 UHHUH THAT I'M NOT GONNA HAVE MONEY FOR TWO 12, OR IT'S A, LET THEM KNOW. IT'S A TWOFOLD GROUP. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT EXACTLY THAT MEANS, BUT ONE MEETING THAT MEANS IT'S CALLED, THAT MEANS IT'S CALLED A ROOF IF IT'S TWO 12. OKAY. YEAH. UM, IT, IT, IT MEANS IF, IF IT, IF IT HA IF IT'S, IF THE LONG SLOPE IS NOT AT A PITCH THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE HEIGHT OF THAT LITTLE, THAT LITTLE PITCH THERE THAT YOU HAVE, THEY WON'T MEET AT THE END OF THAT SLOPE. THEY'LL BANG INTO THE OTHER. WELL, I GUESS IF IT BANGS INTO THE OTHER SLOPE, THE OTHER ROOF, IT'S TOTALLY POSSIBLE. I, I GUESS YES, FINE. IT SHOULDN'T JUST, IT SHOULD JUST NOT DIVE DOWN THERE. SO I THINK WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING, COMMISSIONER. OH, I ACCEPT IT WITH, WITH, UH, THE STIPULATION NINE AND I STILL SECOND IT. OKAY. MOTION IS SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? I WOULD LIKE, OH, OH, ONE MORE THING. UM, YES MA'AM. THE PATIO DOOR THAT I HAVE, UM, I KNOW IT'S DISPLAYED AS A SLIDING DOOR, UM, BUT THEY WILL BE FRENCH DOORS. WOULD THAT ALSO NEED TO BE PART OF THE 2,500 SERIES ALLWOOD, UM, CLA DOOR? HAVE YOU PURCHASED THAT DOOR YET? UM, [04:50:01] I DO HAVE ONE ALREADY. I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S, IT IS JELLED WIND, BUT IT'S, UM, VINYL. IT'S NOT WOOD. UM, I MEAN, I'M ALREADY, I ALREADY, YOU KNOW, I, I ALREADY HAVE ALL THE VINYL WINDOWS. I'M ALREADY TAKING A LOFT THERE, SO, UM, BUT I, I, BUT I DO HAVE THAT DOOR ALREADY PURCHASED, BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY APPROVING A LOT FROM YOU. SO IF I NEED TO THE DOOR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE WINDOWS SHOULD MEET OUR STANDARD WINDOWS STIPULATIONS AND THAT INCLUDE WINDOWS AND DOORS OR STANDARD MATERIAL STIPULATIONS. SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE MOTION AS STANDS. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE YIELDING MORE, UH, SAME, SAME, MR. QUEZ. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. THE SECOND IS GOOD WITH, GOOD WITH THAT. I DO HAVE A BIT OF TO ADD ON THE DISCUSSION, BUT, UH, I'LL WAIT. UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO, DISCUSSION? YEAH, I THINK YOUR CONTRACTOR MIGHT BE LISTENING. AS FAR AS COST GOES, I THINK HE REALLY DOES NEED TO LOOK INTO TO HELPING YOU OUT AND PROBABLY EATING SOME OF THAT, UH, COST FOR EXTENDING THAT GABLE PART OR THAT PART OF THAT ROOF, BECAUSE WHILE IT DOES MEET THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION OF CODE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A, YOU KNOW, THE BEST OPTION FOR YOU. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS IS ABSENT. FISH. AYE. SAVINA. NAYYY. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MORALES IS ABSENT. MCA AYE. CARPENTER, NAY. GROUP IS ABSENT. ANTES? YES. ZER. NAYYY AND LUNE IS ABSENT, I BELIEVE. MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO THREE. YES. MOTION CARRIES. SO THANK YOU MS. TORRES. UH, AND YEAH, RACHEL WILL REACH OUT TO YOU AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS MOTION, SHE CAN CLARIFY THAT FOR YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. AGENDA ITEM 23. AGENDA ITEM 23, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 26 6 15. AUGUSTA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SATISFIED THE DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS FOR DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK AND THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE IF THE H D R C FINDS THE APPLICATION TO BE COMPLETE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. AS A CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED AND IS INCLUDED IN TODAY'S, UM, CASE FILE AND THE APPLICANT, PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, IS WITH US PER UH, IN PERSON. WELCOME BACK. GOOD AFTERNOON. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SAL ST. MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. UM, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE HEARING GOING. I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WE DO NOT TAKE THIS REQUEST LIGHTLY. WE KNOW WE ARE ASKING FOR A LOT FOR THE DEMOLITION OF A PROPERTY, DESIGNATED HISTORIC, UM, HOW THIS ALL STARTED. DR. GONZABA THAT OWNS THIS PROPERTY AND I HAVE ONE OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS, GEORGE GAZA HERE, HE IS JUST GONNA SPEAK REAL QUICK AFTER I FINISH. UM, HE PURCHASED THE HOUSE AT THE CORNER OF LEXINGTON AND DALLAS AND RESTORED IT AND LIVED THERE FOR YEARS. AS TIME WENT ON, HE PROPERTIES WOULD BECOME AVAILABLE WITHIN THE BLOCK AND HE WOULD PURCHASE THOSE. UH, HE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN, IN 2017. THERE WAS A HORRENDOUS FIRE IN 2018, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. HE'S CAUGHT IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION WHERE HE'S GETTING CITATIONS, UM, FROM THE, UH, ABANDONED STRUCTURES CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS BECAUSE HE'S NOT KEEPING IT UP TO ABANDONED STRUCTURE CODE. HOWEVER, HE CAN'T FIX IT BECAUSE OF, OF THE DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN DONE. UM, WE HAVE AN, UH, A RECONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE IN THE FILE OF ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS. BUT I THINK WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT HERE IS THE ENGINEERING REPORT THAT BASICALLY SAYS MULTIPLE BEAMS HAVE BEEN CHARRED OVER 50% OF THEIR ORIGINAL SIZE, LOSING THEIR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND BECOMING DANGEROUSLY BRITTLE. UH, THE SAFEST RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO ELIMINATE THE RISK OF PERSONAL INJURY. CAN YOU SHOW THAT INSIDE BURNS PICTURE? I MEAN, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. I MEAN, ALMOST NOTHING IS LEFT. IT'S TOTALLY BURNED ON THE INSIDE. UH, ALL THE WINDOWS, THE FRONT DOOR MISSING SMASHED. THERE IS AN ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS DEEMED NOT HISTORIC YEARS AGO. UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO DEMOLISH THAT AS WELL, OF COURSE, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. THAT WAS THAT PORTION. AT SOME POINT IN TIME BEFORE [04:55:01] MR. GONZAGA OR DR. GONZABA PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UH, A REVEREND LIVED THERE AND KIND OF RAN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AS SORT OF A, UM, YOUTH HOSTEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, IF YOU WENT THROUGH THE STAFF PRESENTATION, THAT FRONT PORCH IS, IS NOT ORIGINAL. LIKE I SAID, THE WINDOWS ARE GONE. THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE IS JUST BEYOND REPAIR. SO HE IS KIND OF DR. GONZALES IN THIS SITUATION WHERE HE IS GETTING CITED FOR NOT RESTORING THE STRUCTURE, BUT YET HE REALLY CAN'T. IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE, THE, THE ITEMS THAT STAFF IS SAYING WERE MISSING. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SAYING THIS APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED A REASONABLE RATE OF RETURN NOR THE CURRENT OR POTENTIAL VALUE OF RESTORED PROPERTY. WELL, I MEAN, I CAN ASK DR. GONZABA TO PURCHASE A $2,500 APPRAISAL. I I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S GONNA SAY THE STRUCTURE'S NOT WORTH A MILLION DOLLARS. UM, APPLICANT HAS NOT SUBMITTED DOCUMENTATION THAT WE'VE FAILED TO FIND A PURCHASE OR A TENANT FOR THE PROPERTY. WELL, THE, THE APPLICANT, DR. GONZABA, HE OWNS THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT, THE BLUE HOUSE. HE WOULD LIKE TO RESTORE THAT, BUT HE REALLY CAN'T RESTORE IT. WHILE HE HAS THIS PROBLEM RIGHT NEXT DOOR, HE ALSO OWNS ALL THE PROPERTIES IN BACK. HE'D LIKE TO BUILD A CLINIC THERE SOMEDAY. UM, THERE'S EVIDENCE OF THE STRUCTURE IS SEVERELY DETERIORATED DUE TO FIRE DAMAGE AND IS NEED OF INTERVENTION. STAFF DOES NOT FIND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT THE STRUCTURE HAS LOST SIGNIFICANCE. THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS, IT'S HARD TO EVEN DETERMINE IF IT WHERE IT IS BECAUSE OF THE PORCHES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED. AND, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE ASK THIS COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT THE FIRE DAMAGE AND IT'S JUST, I MEAN, THERE IS A D R C VISIT. I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO TESTIFY AS TO WHAT KIND OF CONDITION, THE STRUCTURE, THEN YOU GOT TO SEE IT PERSONALLY. UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP 'CAUSE WE'RE CAUGHT IN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. AND MR. GONZABA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK REAL QUICK? HELLO, MY NAME IS GEORGE GONZABA. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF DR. WILLIAM GONZABA, WHO'S MY FATHER. DR. GONZABA STARTED PURCHASING PROPERTY ON THAT BLOCK BACK IN 1962 WITH A CORNER BUILDING ON DALLAS AND LEXINGTON. HE HAD INTENDED TO DEVELOP TOWN HOMES ON THE PROPERTY AND MAKE THE PROPERTY INTO A BEAUTIFUL PART OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT HAD TO PUT THAT ASIDE BECAUSE IT WAS EXTREMELY BUSY DEVELOPING GONZAPA MEDICAL GROUP. AND HIS FOCUS WAS KEEPING HIS PATIENTS HEALTHY. HE BELIEVES IT IS HIGHLY UNFAIR TO WASTE MONEY ON A BUILDING THAT IS ALMOST COMPLETELY DESTROYED. THANK YOU. GOODNIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, OH, YES SIR. UH, MY NAME IS, EXCUSE ME. MY NAME IS BOB LEY. I LIVE AT 4 0 6 DALLAS, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY I ADMIRE YOUR STAMINA AND YOUR PATIENCE, YOU GUYS. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY ANYWAY, UH, I REPRESENT SEVEN PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE LIVED AT 4 0 6 DALLAS SINCE 1978. AND I'VE WALKED BY THIS HOUSE EVERY DAY FOR 30 YEARS. I WALKED MY DOG AND I THINK THE ATTORNEY FAILED TO MENTION THAT THIS WEEKEND SOMEONE TRIED TO BURN THE HOUSE AGAIN. 'CAUSE WE WALKED BY THERE AND THOSE WHITE, UH, THAT WHITE BALCONY HAS BEEN KNOCKED OVER. UH, THERE WAS A TRASH FIRE. SO, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FUNNY THINGS GOING ON AT THAT HOUSE. AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE ALL CONCERNED. YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE THE HOUSE FROM MY PROPERTY ON MY SIDE ON LEXINGTON. THREE. UH, OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE COMPLETELY RENOVATED THEIR HOMES. THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY NICE LOOKING TOWNHOUSES. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS LIFE BROUGHT BACK TO THAT BLOCK. THAT'S A HUGE BLOCK YOU CAN SEE BEHIND THOSE HOMES. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY BACK THERE. NEXT TO THE RED HOUSE IS, UH, IS A PARKING LOT, IS A HUGE LOT. LIKE YOU SAID AT THE OTHER CORNER. THE FAMILY RENOVATED THAT HOME. IT'S A LUXURY CONDO NOW, BUT 70% OF IT IS, I GUESS WHAT YOU CALL A GREEN SPACE OR PARKING LOTS. AND WE'D LIKE, THE NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE WITH IT. WE JUST WANNA SEE LIFE BROUGHT BACK TO IT. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN THE NINETIES, COUNCILMAN FLORES AND COUNCILMAN CISNEROS, UH, FIXED UP MADISON SQUARE PARK. WE'VE GOT A DOG PARK, WE'VE GOT A TRAIL THERE, WE'VE GOT A PLAYGROUND. UH, JAMES LIVES HERE BUILT A CADILLAC LOG ON THE LUCIA, AND THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO. AND PROGRESS HAS STOPPED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE'RE HOPING YOU'D GIVE THIS FAMILY AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST BRING LIFE BACK TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND JUST FIX EVERYTHING UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK. AND AGAIN, IT'S, I'M REPRESENTING EIGHT PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA. THANK YOU. IT'S FOR THE RECORD. MR. LEY DID SIGN IN TO SPEAK, SO HE'S OUR ONLY ASSIGNED IN SPEAKER. ALRIGHT, ANY, UH, VOICEMAILS? THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS, BUT THERE ARE SEVEN LETTERS IN THE LETTERS FOLDER. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, YES, SIR. UH, I'M READING THROUGH STAFF, UH, FINDINGS AND, UM, THE, UM, THE, UH, IT SEEMS THAT THE PRIMARY OBJECTION [05:00:01] IS, IS RELATED TO, UM, A USE, UH, FUTURE USE. UM, THE, UM, THE PICTURES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US ARE, ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY PROVIDE A, A GOOD NARRATIVE. BUT, BUT MORE, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE, THE STAFF COMMENTS IN, IN THE FINDINGS. UH, THEY, THEY, THEY GIVE US GOOD, GOOD DIRECTION WITH RESPECT TO WHAT, WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT DEMOLITION, BUT MUCH OF THE LANGUAGE RELATES TO, UM, UH, HARDSHIP AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? UH, THAT THINGS THAT, THAT, UM, UH, TALK ABOUT DEMONSTRATION, RIGHT? DEMONSTRATION, BUT BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE REASON FOR DEMOLITION. UH, I I I FIND IT PRETTY COMPELLING, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, UH, THE BUILDING HAS SUFFERED, UH, THE, THE FIRE DAMAGE THAT'S VERY INTERESTING FOR THE PICTURE FROM THE, FROM THAT, THAT WHERE IT'S BEEN PAINTED, YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT'S ON THE INSIDE. BUT I THINK IT ALSO PROVIDES A, A, A WAY TO LOOK AT A FIRE DAMAGE AS WELL, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE CHAR, BUT THAT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE, UH, THE STRUCTURE'S INTEGRITY, RIGHT? SO WE, WE PEEL BACK THOSE NARRATIVES. IT, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT, THAT THIS IS A GREAT SITUATION THAT, UM, THAT THE BILL, THAT THIS HOUSE RIGHT, HAS BEEN THROUGH, UH, SEVERE, UH, DAMAGE. NOW, WHEN IT GETS TO THE, TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, I, I, I FIND IT, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO, TO, TO TELL SOMEONE THAT $961,000 IS NOT A HARDSHIP UNLESS I'M LOOKING AT, WELL, A HARDSHIP TO ME MAY NOT BE A HARDSHIP TO SOMEONE ELSE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHAT, WHAT, RIGHT? I HAVE TO MAKE THAT KIND OF A, OF A DISTINCTION. UM, BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE LAST STIPULATION, THE REPLACEMENT PLANS, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE SITE WORK, AND THE STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT REPLACEMENT PLANS THAT GO BEYOND SITE WORK AND AN UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT INCLUDES TREES PLANTING TO BE RETAINED ON SITE. THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MOST RELEVANT ASPECT OF A, OF A MOTION TO, UH, ENABLE THE DEMOLITION PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE PLAN FOR WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WOULD, WOULD TAKE THE PLACE OF THIS, UM, OF THIS, UH, SEVERELY DAMAGED BUILDING. UM, THEY'RE MY THOUGHTS AND, AND, UM, THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I WAS AT THE, I WAS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE SITE VISIT, AND, UM, ACTUALLY WE COULD NOT GO INSIDE THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE INTERIOR, BUT, UH, THE FRONT DOOR, THE PLYWOOD WAS REMOVED AND WE COULD OBSERVE INSIDE AND, AND, UH, IT'S JUST AS THAT PHOTO SHOWS THAT, UM, THE INTERIOR IS SEVERELY, UM, BURNED AND CHARRED. AND, UM, I'M NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. SO, UM, MR. CHRISTENSEN DOES HAVE A, AN ENGINEER'S STRUCTURAL ENGINEER'S ASSESSMENT INCLUDED IN HIS, UM, INFORMATION. SO, UM, I AGREE THAT THE, THE REAR ADDITIONS ARE NOT PART OF THE, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE. EVEN THE FRONT PORCH AND THE, THE LARGE ROOF OVERHANG ON THE FRONT PORCH IS NOT ORIGINAL EITHER. SO IT HAS BEEN, UH, SEVERELY MODIFIED AND OVER THE YEARS AS WELL AS BEING COMPROMISED, UH, STRUCTURALLY WITH THE FIRE. UM, HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBLE DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING, BUT I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE TREE THAT'S BEING REMOVED, SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE OR TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE SITE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT SPECIES THAT IS? CAN YOU ZOOM IN JUST A LITTLE BIT? YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, I'D, I'D BE HAPPY TO FIND OUT. I'D, CONSIDERING IT'S ON THE FENCE LINE, I'M ASSUMING IT'S PROBABLY A TRASH TREE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PUT THERE BY A BIRD. IT, IT WAS NOT, PROBABLY NOT ORIGINAL TO THE SITE, BUT WE DO PROPOSE TO KEEP THE TWO PALM TREES THAT ARE OUT FRONT THAT'S ON THERE. UM, OKAY. I THINK IT'S A TRASH TREE. 'CAUSE I WALK MY DOG AND I'VE TALKED TO THE LADY HOUSE, THE BLOOD SIDE, AND I'VE GONE BACK IN HER BACKYARD AND I'VE NOTICED THERE'S ONE COUNTRY IS DYING ALREADY. MR. CHAIR, DO YOU WANT THIS WITNESS TO SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE? UH, YES. IF YOU'D COME FORWARD, PLEASE. UH, I'M KIND OF A NOSY GUY AND I WALK AROUND [05:05:01] MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALL THE TIME WITH MY DOG AND I TALK TO ALL MY NEIGHBORS AND I'VE, I'VE GONE IN THE BACKYARD OF ONE OF THE HOMES AND THERE'S A PARKING LOT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY AND, UH, I THINK THEY HIRED A SECURITY GUARD THAT GOES THERE EVERY NIGHT. SO I GO THERE AND SNOOP AROUND AND I'VE SEEN THOSE TREES, THEIR TRASH TREES. UH, I'M JUST GETTING READY TO HAVE WHAT THEY CALL THEM, PALO BLANCO, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT THE LEAVES ARE SO BAD, SO I'M GONNA HAVE ONE CUT IN MY HOUSE, BUT THERE ARE TRASH TREES AND I CAN G I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO LOOK. I'VE WALKED BACK IN THAT AREA AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF, UH, JUNK BACK IN THERE, AND I KNOW THE FAMILY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF CUTTING THEM DOWN. I'VE EVEN TOLD THEM, PLEASE CUT SOME OTHER TREES DOWN WITH A, WITH A, THERE'S A LOT WHERE THE HOMELESS CAMP AND CREATE A LOT OF TRASH. SO THAT'S MY OBSERVATION AND TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. AFTER 40 YEARS OF WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW THE GOOD TREES AND THE BATTERIES. OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER SINO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, ANYONE IN THE APPLICANT POOL, WHETHER IT'S MR. CHRISTENSEN OR MR. GONZABA. UM, WE SEE THE SITE PLAN, THE REPLACEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS A PASS THROUGH DRIVE THROUGH PARKING AREA. UM, HOW LONG IS THAT EXPECTED TO, UM, EXIST OR MR. GONZABA, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PLANS TO REDEVELOP THIS PROPERTY? IT'S, IT'S JUST A PROPOSAL. IT'S NOT ETCHED IN STONE. YEAH, SO I MEAN, THE GOAL IS TO COME BACK ON THE, THE VACANT PROPERTY THAT'S ON DALLAS STREET BEHIND THIS AND COME BACK EITHER WITH A PROPOSAL FOR SOME SORT OF TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT OR FOR AN OFFICE. UM, WE DO KNOW IF WHEN WE RESTORE THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR FOR AN OFFICE, THE BLUE HOUSE, UM, THERE'S GONNA NEED SOME EXTRA PARKING AND WE, WHATEVER THEY DECIDE TO DO ON THE NORTHERN END, THEY'RE GONNA NEED SOME PARKING AS WELL. SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD IN SOME KIND OF A DRIVE THROUGH TO GET THERE. OKAY. I IDEALLY, DR. DR. GONZAPA WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME TYPE OF, UH, A, A A LIVING OR, OR TOWN HOMES THERE, UM, INSTEAD OF A PARKING LOT. OKAY. UM, NOW THIS IS A LANDMARKED PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. STAFF. UH, AND, UM, IS THERE THE EXPECTATION THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY REMAIN LANDMARKED OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CORRECT. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY KIND OF A REZONING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO ANYTHING WE'VE REDEVELOPED THE PROPERTY WITH AND THE, AND THE PROPERTY AND BACK, WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION. OKAY. I DID GO TO THE SITE VISIT AND IT'S, UM, IT WAS QUITE A SITE, AMAZING TO SEE THE, THE INTERIOR PRETTY MUCH GUTTED BY, UH, FIRE. UM, BUT IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE CONTRIBUTING FEATURES, WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT? WELL, SURE IT IS THE MATERIAL. SURE, IT IS, UM, DETAILS AND COMPONENTS THAT HOLD THE PORCH UP IN WINDOWS, BUT IT'S ALSO THE FORMS, THE COMPOSITION OF THOSE FORMS, THE ROOF FORMS THAT ARE EXTENT AND THE SIDING OF THAT, UM, OF THE HOUSE. SO IT'S KIND OF A, IT IS A, A, A TRICKY THING. UM, MY, UM, MY REAL CONCERN IS ENCOURAGING AND SUPPORTING A DEMOLITION WHEN I KNOW THE STRUCTURE IS, IS ALMOST, IM NOT, IM, IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO RE TO, TO REPAIR, BUT IT IS QUITE THE TASK FOR AN INDEFINITE VACANT LOT PARKING. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING GOOD, UM, UH, URBAN PLANNING DEVELOPMENT PO UH, POLICY. SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, UM, SOME REAL COMMITMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT BEYOND THE PARKING LOT OR THE PASS THROUGH. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER CAPTURED, UH, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS EXACTLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S BEEN THIS KIND OF SLOW AND SOMETIMES VERY QUICK EROSION OF THE LAST REMAINING SORT OF LARGE RESIDENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE SITE RIGHT NEXT TO IT THAT'S A SURFACE PARKING LOT, AND IT'S JUST, IT, SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS HOUSE, IT'S THE PART THAT IT'S, IT WAS PART OF A SET PIECE OF HOUSES ALONG AUGUSTA STREET THAT ARE JUST SLOWLY BEING NEGLECTED AND, UH, ERODED AWAY. SO THE REPLACEMENT PLAN FOR ME IS REALLY IMPORTANT. UH, I'D HATE TO JUST SEE IT BE A SURFACE PARKING LOT OR A PASS THROUGH TO ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY. I THINK IT'S, THERE'S A HIGHER BETTER USE THERE. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A DOWNTOWN RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF, OF PROJECT, BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT'S DEARLY NEEDED IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, DOWNTOWN AREA. AND I HOPE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RESPECTFUL OF THE REMAINING, UM, STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE. SO RIGHT NOW I'M AT THE POSITION [05:10:01] WHERE I THINK THIS THING IS, IS PRETTY SERIOUSLY DAMAGED, AND I DON'T HAVE A DOUBT ABOUT THAT. BUT THE REPLACEMENT PLAN TO THIS, I DON'T THINK RISES TO THE, TO THE, UH, OCCASION OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE, UH, UNLESS THERE'S SOME KIND OF TIMELINE THAT'S, THAT'S PUT TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS IS GONNA BE JUST A, A, A FIVE YEAR DEAL UNTIL WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, UH, OUR INVESTMENTS TOGETHER AND, AND GO AND, AND DO, DO THE DEAL HERE OR FIND A DEVELOPER TO DO THE DEAL HERE TO REALLY MAKE USE OF, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO MAKE LEMONADE OUT OF LEMONS IN THE CA IN THIS CASE. UM, SO I HAVE A HARD TIME SUPPORTING THIS LARGELY ON THE BASIS OF THE, OF THE REPLACEMENT PLAN. I THINK THERE IS A, THERE'S REAL SINCERITY TO THE, TO THE CLAIM THAT THIS THING IS, IS DAMAGED AND IT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I, I DON'T THINK I COULD OUTRIGHT SUPPORT DEMOLITION WITHOUT A STRONGER, MORE VISIONARY REPLACEMENT PLAN BEHIND IT. THANK YOU. UM, AND JUST A POINT FOR CLARIFICATION AND A REMINDER, UM, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, A IF DEMOLITION IS APPROVED BY THIS BODY TODAY, STAFF CANNOT ISSUE A PERMIT FOR DEMOLITION UNTIL REPLACEMENT PLANS ARE ALSO PERMITTED. AND SO THERE'S NO RISK OF THERE BEING A VACANT LOT HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS WHILE WE DECIDE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE, THEN REPLACEMENT WILL HAVE TO COME HERE AND BE PERMITTED AND APPROVED BEFORE DEMOLITION, DEMOLITION CAN OCCUR. WELL, AND THAT'S PRECISELY MY POINT, IS THAT I THINK JUST A SURFACE PASS THROUGH AREAS IS, ISN'T SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO APPROVE IF IT CAME BACK FOR, FOR, FOR A FINAL. YES, SIR. JUST LIKE TO ADD ONE THING, I THINK IF WE KNEW THAT WE COULD DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE, I BELIEVE THE GONZALES WE WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY TO COME BACK WITH SOME ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, WE'RE GETTING GUIDANCE FROM YOU THAT YOU DON'T WANNA PASS THROUGH PARKING THERE. WE CAN CERTAINLY COME UP WITH A, A PLAN AND WE WOULD COMMIT TO DO THAT BEFORE WE GOT PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH. YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, UH, UH, IT IT TO, TO THE POINT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING THAT, THAT THAT A MOTION THAT WOULD INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE THAT COREY IS, UH, CLARIFYING FOR US. I APPRECIATE THAT, COREY. UM, THERE, THERE'S ONE, JUST ONE LITTLE THING THAT, THAT, THAT I, I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S IN THE, IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE, TO THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, IN, IN CASES WHERE THEY'RE WONDERFUL BUILDINGS THAT HAVE TO GO, UM, YOU CAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS, MAYBE STAFF COULD DIRECT YOU TO, TO, TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT THEY CALL HABS DRAWINGS. AND THAT'S ONE WAY THAT THAT FEDERALLY, UH, IN THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS, RIGHT? THAT DRAWINGS, UH, OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE CREATED SO THAT THERE'S A RECORD OF THEM AND THEY LIVE IN A LIBRARY OF CONGRESS. AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I WORKED ON SOME, SOME YEARS AGO, IT'S A WONDERFUL PROCESS, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT YOUR DRAWINGS ARE GONNA LIVE FOREVER. BUT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THAT AN OWNER KNOWS THAT WHEN YOU TAKE SOMETHING DOWN THERE, THERE ARE STILL ARE WAYS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE RECORD. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS TO HIRE A QUALIFIED PRESERVATION ARCHITECT, UM, TO, TO DOCUMENT THE, THE PROPERTY SO THAT, UM, THERE IS SOME WAY TO DISCOVER WHAT WAS THERE ONCE RIGHT? IN DRAWING FORM, AND NOT JUST FOR SAN ANTONIO, BUT FOR THE WHOLE WHOLE COUNTRY. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, UH, JIMMY, BUT NOT, NOT NOT ON A MOTION. SO I ALSO WENT TO THE SITE AND I, I DO SEE THAT IT, IT, IT IS, IT IS A, IT'S, IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD FOR SURE. BUT, UM, I I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT WHEN YOU OWN HISTORIC BUILDING SITES, MONUMENTS, WHATEVER YOU WANT, WHATEVER LABEL YOU WANNA PUT ON 'EM, I THINK WE KIND OF HAVE A DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE, LIKE MY FELLOW COUNCILMAN HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S GET SOMETHING TOGETHER. LET'S, LET'S PUT FORTH A PLAN, SOME SORT OF TIMELINE SO THAT IT JUST DOESN'T GO INTO THE, INTO THE ETHER. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I DO WANT TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, UH, I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. , UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE, UH, DECONSTRUCTION SLASH STIMULUS WITH THE CAVEAT THAT, UH, CORY HAD SPOKEN OF RIGHT THERE, WHICH I, I THINK IT'S AUTOMATIC THAT, THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF, UH, A PLAN, SOME SORT OF CONCEPT COME THROUGH, UH, WITH WHAT IS GONNA BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY AND HOW, UH, THE USE OF THIS SITE, EITHER IN SPIRIT OR IN ANY MATERIALS, CAN BE SALVAGED TO POTENTIALLY USE IN THE POTENTIAL, UH, OR, UH, BUILD UP HOUSE, PROPERTY, BUSINESS, WHATEVER YOU WANNA COME UP WITH. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? CAN WE HAVE, UH, [05:15:01] THANK YOU, UH, CLARIFICATION. WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TILL WE HAVE REPLACEMENT PLANS THAT INCLUDE A INCLUDE BUILT STRUCTURES FOR OCCUPANCY, DO WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEARER OR MORE DEFINED SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING A, A, UM, WHAT DO YOU SAY, A, A KIOSK AS PART OF THAT RE DEVELOPMENT PLA PLAN A KIOSK ON THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY OR A NEED TO SET SORT OF MORE, UH, DEFINITIVE PARAMETERS TO WHAT IS BUILT? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE, HOW DO WE CAN PUT THAT SORT OF STIPULATION ON IT? OH, UM, I THINK IF SOMETHING COMES FORWARD, COMES WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR SOMETHING, I THINK WE CAN PUT MORE STIPULATIONS ON IT, RIGHT? I THINK, BUT THIS DOES NOT, THIS DOES NOT COUNT AS A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN WHAT WE SEE TODAY, RIGHT? RIGHT. ULTIMATELY, THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE AUTHORITY OVER WHAT CAN BE PUT HERE, AND A DEMOLITION PERMIT CANNOT BE ISSUED UNTIL THAT IS APPROVED U UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE AT THAT POINT. AT THAT POINT, YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE DEMOLITION, IT'S KIND OF OFF THE TABLE AND YOU'RE ONLY CONSIDERING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. MM-HMM. . SO JUST, I THINK Y'ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR CO OKAY. CO CORY, THE, THE, UM, THE, THE PLAN THAT COMES FORTH, IS THAT A PLAN FOR FINAL, JUST JUST FOR THE CLARIFICATION FOR THEM, OR, OR IS THAT INCLUDING A, A C A A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL LEVEL? SO THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, IT'S ABOUT PERMITTING. SO NOT, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT HAPPENS HERE AT H C R C, BUT WHEN A PERMIT IS PULLED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN ISSUE DEMOLITION PERMITS. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO COME HERE, OBVIOUSLY AT EITHER CONCEPTUAL AND FOR FINAL. ALL OF THAT HAPPENS PRIOR TO ACTUAL PERMITTING. NOW, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT, UH, A STRUCTURE WITH A STRUCTURAL REPORT THAT IS, UH, QUESTIONING THE INTEGRITY? UM, IT DOESN'T, UM, IF THERE ARE, UH, INTERVENTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE TO ADD STABILIZATION TO THE STRUCTURE, THOSE CAN BE DONE UNTIL PERMITS ARE PULLED. I'M NOT SEEING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE REPORT. UM, AND THIS ALSO ISN'T AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION BY THE CITY, SO IT'S NOT REALLY TO THAT POINT YET. BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING IT SECURE AND YEAH. AND THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY HE, UM, HE MENTIONED THE, THE, NOT THE VIOLATION NOTICES. THAT'S FROM THE VACANT BUILDINGS PROGRAM. SO PART OF THAT PROGRAM IS MAKING SURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS MEETING THE STANDARD OF CARE WHILE IT'S VACANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO DO YOU, WOULD IT BE SAFE THEN TO AMEND THE MOTION TO SAY THAT ANYTHING, ANY PLANS OR OR PROJECTIONS THAT COME FORWARD ON THIS PROPERTY BE COMMENSURATE WITH THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE NOT NECESSARILY NECESSARY? THE PROPERTY, RIGHT. THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY. RIGHT. THEY'D BE COMMENSURATE WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN'T PUT AN ICE CREAM STAND THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN THAT, I, I DON'T THINK THAT CHANGES IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S FINE TO INCLUDE THAT AS KIND OF DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT AS THEY DEVELOP THE PLANS. SO THEN, YEAH, WE'LL KEEP MY MOTION, BUT JUST ADD THAT IT BE COMMENSURATE WITH THE STATUS THAT THAT PROPERTY HOLDS ALREADY AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN A SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL WAY. DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? YES, SIR. OKAY. UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I MEAN A VOTE. FISH. AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. I MEAN, UM, AYE. CARPENTER A QUALIFIED AYE. SANTE? YES. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, WHAT Y'ALL CAN COME UP WITH FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 25. HELLO, I'M JOHN RILEY. I JUST CAME DOWN TO, UH, ONE MOMENT, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD AND THEN WE'LL START DISCUSSION. OKAY. [05:20:01] THE NEXT ITEM IS AGENDA NUMBER 25 H D R H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 3 3. ADDRESS, 1118 NOLAN STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NINE VINYL WINDOWS STAFF'S. RECOMMENDATION IS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B STAFF. THE APPLICANT REPAIRED THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS. YES, SIR. MR. RILEY? UH, I, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY FILE FOR THIS PERMIT. WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT'S IN MEMPHIS THAT FILED FOR THIS THING. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ACTUALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS NOT RE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE VINYL, IT'S A SECURITY ISSUE THAT STARTED THIS. ALL SHE WANTS SOUNDED SECURITY WINDOWS BECAUSE SOMEONE BROKE A FRONT WINDOW AND STOLE HER COMPUTER OUT OF HER OFFICE. SO INSTEAD OF PUTTING BURGLAR BARS ON IT, GOING WITH THE LAMINATED MONSANTO GLASS IN THERE WOULD PREVENT ANYBODY FROM BEING ABLE TO GET IN TO KEEP, THEY CALL IT THE KEEP SAFE GLASS. SO, I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH SUGGESTING TO THEM TO PUT IT IN AN ANDERSON 400 WINDOW, WHICH WOULD BE WOOD. NOW IT IS PAINTABLE, FEX ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT IS A WOOD WINDOW. AND I DO HAVE A SAMPLE OF IT. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF THIS IS THESE WINDOWS ARE SO HEAVY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE A CAR WINDSHIELD, THE SECURITY, THESE SYS, THE CURRENTLY OLDER ONES CAN'T LIFT THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE WEIGHTS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE COUNTERBALANCE TOTALLY CHANGES WHEN THE WINDOW WEIGHS THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS IT ORIGINALLY DID. SO THE SERVICE TURNED IN, AND THE ONLY REASON I PICKED OUT THE VINYL WINDOW WAS BECAUSE IT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME SASH HEIGHT, SASH DIMENSION, AND ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF IN WHAT I WANT TO SUBMIT. IT'LL BE AN ANDERSON 400 WINDOW. IT'LL BE THE 77 AND A HALF. IT'LL BE A TRUE 50 50 DOUBLE HUNG, NOT A SINGLE HUNG WINDOW. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE HOUSE NOW. AND IT'LL HAVE A, WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DO IT, BUT, UH, ONE VERTICAL, ONE HORIZONTAL PER SASH, WHICH WILL MATCH EXACTLY COLOR-WISE. IT'LL MATCH EXACTLY. AND THE OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, THERE WAS SOME ALTERATIONS MADE OVER TIME FOR THE TRANSIT WINDOW. AND I WILL REPAIR THAT SO THAT THE TRIM LINES UP LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO AGAIN. BUT THE REST OF IT WILL BE AN INSERT TYPE. WE'RE NOT GONNA DESTROY THE SIDING, WE'RE NOT GONNA DESTROY THE HOUSE. OKAY. THANKS MI. MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. IN, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS, UM, PROPOSING, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD ASK FOR, WHICH IS A A A WOOD GRADE WINDOW CLA CLADDED WINDOW. YES. IT'LL BE CLADDED WITH FEX AND WOOD ON THE INSIDE. I HAVE THE CORNER CUT IF YOU WANT ME TO BRING IT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE FEX MATERIAL. IT'S A COMPOSITE MATERIAL OF WOOD. UH, IT'S MADE BY ANDERSON 'CAUSE THEY MAKE THE WOOD WINDOWS. IT'S A RECYCLED PRODUCT. OKAY. YEAH. BUT IT IS PAINTABLE SUSTAINABLE. IT'S THEIR ANSWER TO ALUMINUM BECAUSE IT IS A GREEN MATERIAL. I MEAN, ON THAT LEVEL, I KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CLADDING, BUT AS FAR AS THE, I THINK THE BEYOND THAT SUBJECT, THE, THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE, OF THE, UH, REPLACEMENT IS THE WOOD WINDOW. THE MATCHING AND, UH, THE, THE FINDINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT BEFORE US, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT RELEVANT TO, TO WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS JUST PRESENTED. SO WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF A MOTION REAL QUICK ON THIS. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES, MS. SAVINA. UM, SO THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE REPLACEMENT IS FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. WELL, THAT IS WHY WE ENDED UP WHERE WE WERE WITH THE WINDOW PROJECT. YES, IT IS. 'CAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A SOUND AND SECURITY MONSANTO WINDOW. OKAY. THE LAMINATED GLASS. MM-HMM. , WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING FOUR OVER FOUR WINDOWS? UH, THE FRONT WINDOWS ARE BROKEN. THERE'S SOME ROTTING ON THE FRAME ON THE SIDES. OKAY. THEY [05:25:01] WAS CONSIDERED AT ONE POINT TO LOOK AT REDOING THOSE WINDOWS, UHHUH . BUT WE STILL END UP WITH THE SAME PROBLEM OF THE ORIGINAL SASH PROBABLY WEIGHED 40 POUNDS, AND THIS WINDOW'S GONNA WEIGH 180 POUNDS. AND PRIOR TO THIS, THEY HAD A PULL IT OF WEIGHT AND IT'S NOT GONNA LIFT A SASH. OKAY. I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT JUST, UH, ALLOWING A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT. IF THE WINDOWS CAN BE REPAIRABLE, IT WON'T FIT INSIDE THE WIND. WELL, I CAN'T PUT THE SOUND AND SECURITY GLASS IN IT THEN. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SASH AND A FRAME THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE YES. THE GLASS, THE ACTUAL GLASS' ONE INCH, IT IS ONE INCH THICK WITH THE GLASS, THE, THE CHAMBER AND THE OTHER PIECE. I SEE. UM, HMM. UH, THE PHOTOS THAT ARE IN HERE, UM, QUESTIONED FOR STAFF. HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO MAKE A SITE VISIT? HAVE I MADE A SITE VISIT? NO. FOR STAFF? NO, WE HAVEN'T MADE A SITE VISIT YET. OKAY. I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE FOR STAFF AND EVEN POSSIBLY FOR OUR COMMISSION FOR A SITE VISIT TO SEE SITE VISIT, TO SEE THE ACTUAL CONDITION AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS FOR SECURITY AND, AND MAINTAINING THOSE VERY CHARACTER DEFINING FOUR OVER FOURS. RIGHT. WELL, I WOULD, AS I, UH, DO YOU HAVE THE PACKET? YEAH, THAT'S THE, UH, DO YOU HAVE THE LAST PAGE OF THE PACKET AS YOU SEE THE, THE WAY THE GRIDS ARE AND WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO ON IT? UH, THAT'S NOT THE, THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE HOUSES IN IT. YEAH. THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S WITHIN 750 FEET OF THE HOUSE. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S OREO WINDOWS, THERE'S 60 FORTIES, THERE'S ALUMINUM ONES, THERE'S MULTIPLE. AND THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WAS TO KEEP IT EXACTLY. OR THE LOOK AS MUCH AS THEY COULD BE. RIGHT. YOU'RE, YOU ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME? YOU ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. YOU ARE? OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW, UM, A NUMBER OF THESE, YOUR EXAMPLES, THEY'RE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCES. THEY NO, THEY ARE IN THE HISTORIC, THEY'RE WITHIN A FEW HUNDRED, WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE HOUSE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE EAST OF PALMETTO. I DON'T KNOW. THE BOTTOM ROW IS EAST OF PALMETTO. YEAH, THOSE ARE, THESE ARE ON NOLAN STREET, CORRECT? CORRECT. BUT EAST OF PALMETTO, THE, UH, THE EASTERN BOUNDARY. SO THEY'RE JUST, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT AND MAINTENANCE CRITERIA AND GUIDELINES. BY BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, WE ARE APPLYING THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE PART OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE. SO THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE. THAT'S WHY MANY OF THESE EXAMPLES, UM, DON'T HAVE THAT SAME STANDARD THAT YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS HAVE. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, UM, LOOKING AT 'EM A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. OKAY. SO, UM, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE, THE, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE ISN'T THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTERWEIGHTS 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CHANGE OUT. YOU CAN FIND A COUNTERWEIGHT THAT'S PROPERLY MATCHED TO THE, THE WEIGHT OF THE SASHES, AND YOU CAN, UH, UPDATE THE, THE PULLEYS. IT'S REALLY THE, THE RABBIT THAT RECEIVES THE, THE, UH, THE GLAZING PANEL ITSELF. THAT'S NOT DEEP ENOUGH IN A, IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO, IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE POLE. YEAH. EXACTLY'S NOT THE ENERGY SAVING PACK TO GO IN THERE. SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, A NUANCED SOLUTION TO THIS THAT WE MIGHT PURSUE. FIRST OF ALL, DO ALL OF THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE REPLACED IN ORDER TO GET THE SECURITY? NO, BECAUSE SECURITY CAN BE ATTAINED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AND ONE OF 'EM IS INCREASING VISIBILITY, LIGHTING, THAT SORT OF THING. AND SO THERE MIGHT BE A WAY IN WHICH YOU RETAIN WINDOWS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. IF THEY'RE NEEDING REPAIR, THEY GET REHABILITATED. IF THOSE ARE, IF THERE'S SOME THAT ARE IN A, IN A LESS SECURE PART OF THE SITE, OR LESS VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAN MAYBE THOSE RECEIVE THE UPGRADE. AND AS, AS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ SAID, YOU KNOW, IN ANY OTHER SITUATION, THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE PER, YOU KNOW, PRESENTING TO US THE, THE ANDERSON ONES, UH, WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE THE DEPTH AND THEY HAVE THE, THE PROFILES, THEY HAVE THE SHADOW AND THAT SORT OF THING. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE COULD GO FOR. BUT TO DO A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT, I THINK IS A, IS A BIG ASK. AND I THINK WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO WITH STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, GO OUT, GO OUT ON THE SITE AND JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE GENERAL CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS AND SEE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A WAY IN WHICH WE CAN WORK WITH, WITH THE, WITH YOU TO, TO FIGURE THAT OUT. IF YOU KNOW THERE'S ONLY LIKE THREE THAT YOU RECOMMEND THEY [05:30:01] REPLACING THE OTHERS. RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. IT'S, UH, SO LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT. I, I WOULD MOVE FOR A, UH, D R C SITE VISIT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. UM, BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION THERE. YES MA'AM. THERE IS A VOICEMAIL. OH, I A APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. OH, THERE IS A VOICEMAIL. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 33, LOCATED AT 1118 NOLAN STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS OF NO VINYL WINDOWS. THANK YOU. I I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. OH, I'M SORRY. IS THAT IT? I WAS MAKING A MOTION THERE. I APOLOGIZE. SO LET'S MOVING FOR, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. YEAH. MOVING FOR AN ONSITE D R C, UH, TO, UH, ASCERTAIN THE, EXIST, THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS, AND DETERMINE A PATH FORWARD AFTER THAT. SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND NOW, ANY DISCUSSION? UH, NO. NOT IF WE GO, I CAN SAY, OKAY. UM, ROLL CALL. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. ZUKA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND ZER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. I'M DONE. AGENDA ITEM 26. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 32. ADDRESS, 4 24 CLUB DRIVE AND THE APPLICANT, UM, MARIE WILSON AND, UM, CHRISTINE VIAL AND MARK RAMIREZ ARE PRESENT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL DRIVEWAY AND SIDEWALK TO THE LEFT OF THE HOME. TWO, REMOVE AND DISCARD THE EXTERIOR STAWA STAIRWELL THAT IS TO THE REAR OF THE HOME. AND THREE, REPAIR THE STRUCTURES. FOUNDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY ON CLUB DRIVE BASED ON FINDING C. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY ON CLUB DRIVE BASED ON FINDING C UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REMOVAL OF THE REAR STAIRCASE BASED ON FINDING D AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, FOUNDATION REPAIR BASED ON FINDING B. YES MA'AM. WOULD YOU LIKE TO YES. SORRY. COME TO THE PODIUM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. I DUNNO HOW THIS WORKS, BUT YES. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS FOR STAYING LATE TOO. UM, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE VIAL AND THIS MY BUSINESS PARTNER MARIE. UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE DRIVEWAY. IT SEEMS LIKE CLUB DRIVE, UM, THAT THIS HOUSE IS ON IS THROUGH TRAFFIC SINCE IT CONNECTS TO FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, UM, TO GET IN AND OUT OR GET TO AND FROM JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. AND ALSO ANOTHER EASY WAY, UM, THAT PEOPLE TAKE TO GET, UM, EASIER ACCESS TO BABCOCK ROAD. UM, BY ALLOWING US TO CREATE A DRIVEWAY, IT'LL BE BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY REDUCING TRAFFIC JAMS CONGESTION DUE TO PARKED CARS ON THE STREET AND THE SAFETY OF RESIDENTS. AT THIS POINT, OUR CURB IS USED FOR OVERFLOW FOR PARKING FROM JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH LIMITS, UM, PARKING FOR WHOMEVER THE FUTURE RESIDENTS ARE FOR THIS DUPLEX. MA'AM, DO YOU MIND POINTING YOUR MIC DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR US? YES. I'M SORRY. THANKS. UHHUH . NO PROBLEM. UM, WE PLAN TO KEEP THE SAME FORMAT AND DESIGN FOR THE DRIVEWAY AS THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET HAVE. UM, AND THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. SURE. DO YOU HAVE ANY LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS? YES, WE HAVE THREE VOICEMAILS. THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26, ADDRESS 4 24 CLUB DRIVE. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, PO BOX 1 0 3 1 5, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE APPRECIATE INDIVIDUALS WHO INVEST IN HISTORIC HOMES TO PRESERVE, RESTORE, AND PROTECT THEIR INTEGRITY. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS PROPOSED. WE NOTE ON THE 400 BLOCK OF CLUB DRIVE, ALL THE PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET HAVE REAR ACCESS FOR OFF STREET PARKING AND ACCESS [05:35:01] TO THEIR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. THE DEPTH OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE SETBACK OF THE PROPERTIES ON THIS BLOCK IS SIGNIFICANT. EVEN THOUGH THE HOMES ACROSS THE STREET ON THE 400 BLOCK OF CLUB DRIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE HAVE DRIVEWAY CURB CUTS, THEY ALL HAVE ALLEY ACCESS AND AMPLE SPACE TO TURN AROUND BEFORE EXITING ON THEIR RESPECTIVE DRIVEWAY, WHICH 4 24 CLUB DRIVE DOES NOT HAVE. WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW US TO PROVIDE COMMENTS. YEAH, I JUST CALLED LISA REGARDING LINE 26 4 24 CLUB DRIVE, THE REMOVAL OF THE STAIRS AND THE DRIVEWAY. I OPPOSED BOTH. UH, IT'S A LITTLE IRRITATING THAT I LEAVE A MESSAGE, BUT I JUST FOUND OUT I HAVE TO PRESS POUND IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET THE MESSAGE, NOT JUST HANG UP . SO AGAIN, IN REGARDS TO THIS CHANGE, I'M, I'M REALLY, UH, ASKING THE REVIEW BOARD TO LOOK AT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE MATTER THAT IT IS DEEMED HISTORIC. THOSE REAR STAIRS HAVE BEEN THERE 60 PLUS YEARS. UH, THE, THE MULTIFAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE A FULL LEVEL OCCUPANCY ALL HAVE REAR STAIRS TO THE UPSTAIRS, UH, UNIT AND A FRONT DOOR. SO ALLOWING, UH, THESE FLIPPERS OR INVESTORS TO COME IN AND MAKE THESE AESTHETIC CHANGES TO THESE HISTORIC HOMES IS GOING TO ACTUALLY, UH, BE WORTHY OF LOOKING AT THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, IF HOMEOWNERS CAN'T DO IT, WHY CAN'T SLIPPERS DO IT? SO I ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT THE, UH, OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT OR NOT. THE AESTHETIC, HISTORIC AESTHETIC OF THIS HOME HAS THOSE REAR STAIRS, LIKE ALL THE OTHER UNITS THAT ARE SINGLE LEVEL WITH FRONT DOOR, BACK DOOR. OKAY. UH, I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND I RESPECTFULLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL REVIEW THIS MATTER AND NOT JUST PASS IT IN REGARDS TO, UH, THESE INVESTORS. THANK YOU. HI, THIS IS MICHELLE. UH, I'M CALLING BACK AGAIN FOR LAUREN, UH, FOR LINE ITEM 26 REGARDING 4 24 CLUB DRIVE. UH, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT IN, UH, ACCESSING SOME CLUB DRIVE. I DEFINITELY OPPOSE THAT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE HISTORIC, UH, OF THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT HAVE FRONT DRIVEWAY ENTRIES INTO A GARAGE. THIS PROPERTY'S GARAGE ENTRY IS ACTUALLY OFF OF ENCAMPMENT. SO I OPPOSED THAT. UM, THE STAIRS THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO REMOVE IN THE BACK, I ALSO OPPOSED BECAUSE THAT IS, UM, ORIGINAL TO THAT BUILDING, BUT THEY HAD BEEN THERE OVER 50 OR 60 YEARS AND ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE A SINGLE LEVEL APARTMENTS HAVE, UH, THESE REAR STAIRS TO THE BACK OF THEM IN THESE MULTI-FAMILY, UH, DWELLINGS. SO HAVE POSED THAT. AND, AND IF WE START ALLOWING, UH, THESE HOUSE SLIPPERS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTORS COME IN AND START CHANGING AESTHETICS, THEN, THEN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT NEEDS TO REVISIT ITS DESIGNATION BECAUSE YOU CAN MAKE IT SINGLE FAMILY, BUT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO KEEP BOTH FRONT DOORS. YOU'D STILL HAVE TO KEEP THAT BACK STAIRWELL, UH, WITHOUT CHANGING THAT HISTORIC AESTHETIC OF THIS HOME. AGAIN, MULTIPLE PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA THAT HAVE FIRST STORY, SECOND STORY, FAMILY DWELLING, HAVE REAR APARTMENTS. THAT'S ALL THE MESSAGES. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIR? I, YES. UH, YOU KNOW, JUST TO THE, TO THE APPLICANTS. YES. UM, THE, UM, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF MM-HMM. , YOU HAVE THREE ASKS, RIGHT? YES. AND THERE'S JUST ONE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT Y'ALL ARE NOT IN, IN A, IN AGREEMENT WITH. CORRECT. THAT THE, THE HARD THING, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE STRAIGHT WITH YOU. OKAY. RIGHT. THE, THE HARD THING IS THAT WHEN YOU GET ON CLUB, THERE ARE NO DRIVEWAYS THAT GO THROUGH. AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE ONE THING THAT WOULD BE MAYBE A, A QUALIFYING, UM, ELEMENT WOULD BE IF, IF [05:40:01] YOU COULD DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE TO GET TO THE BACK. BUT, BUT IF YOU DO THAT, THE ELEVATION CHANGES IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. RIGHT? MM-HMM. . 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T GET TO THE OTHER SIDE ANYWAY. BUT, BUT THE, THE THING THAT I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HITTING A BRICK WALL ON IS THERE ARE NO CARS PARKED IN THE FRONT OF THE YARDS AT AT LEAST WHAT IT LOOKS HERE AT ALL. CORRECT. IT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET R RIGHT? YEAH, I HAVE THE YOU'RE CORRECT. UHHUH, I HAVE A DIFFERENT PICTURE THAN, THAN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. SO I'VE GOT ALL OF THE HOUSES AS THEY GO DOWN THE, DOWN THE WAY. AND YOUR SITUATION IS, I CAN SEE IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, BUT IT IS UNIQUE. IT IS A, IT IS A PRETTY AWESOME PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, BUT I WOULD THINK IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ANYBODY TO, TO AGREE TO A CURB CUT AND TO BE THE ONE HOUSE THAT HAS CARS PARKED IN FRONT OF IT. RIGHT. I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. UM, AND, AND INSIDE OF THAT, TO HAVE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF FOR TWO AND MINUS ONE, THAT'S WITHOUT THE COMMISSION WEIGHING IN ON IT. MM-HMM. , I THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD SITUATION TO BE IN TO START WITH. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE COULD SPEND, YOU KNOW, A, A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO COMMUNICATE, I JUST WANNA BE STRAIGHT UP WITH YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CHARACTER, UM, LIKE COMPLETELY WOULD REALLY, UM, UM, OUT OF THE, DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD EVER PASS A A, A DEMOCRATIC VOTE HERE TO THE COMMISSION. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE BEGIN A CONVERSATION THAT WE BEGIN RIGHT THERE , I WANNA LET MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S WEIGH IN THERE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, THANK YOU. AND, AND I TOTALLY WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, MY GRAND, MY UH, MOTHER-IN-LAW LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU ALL, OR ONE, ONE OVER. OH, OKAY. AND THERE THEY DO HAVE A DRIVE. YEAH. AND IT GOES BACK AND THERE IS A CAR, CAR COVER PORT THERE, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE WHERE WE CAN TURN AND COME BACK OUT ONTO CLUB AND HEAD OUT NOSE FIRST BECAUSE CLUB IS, PEOPLE ARE RACING THROUGH THERE SUPER FAST. THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE, GETTING FROM FREDERICKSBURG, GOING ALL THE WAY OVER TO JEFFERSON NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YOU'VE GOT THIS LOVELY LITTLE TUCK IN OFF OF CANMAN WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND NOT A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY TO BACK OUT ON. IT'S A MUCH SAFER SITUATION. SO FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT ALONE, I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME ENCOURAGING ANYONE TO PUT A LONG DRIVE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BACK OUT ONTO CLUB TO MAKE THAT WORK. PUT ON TOP OF THAT, THE FACT THAT THE PREVAILING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, THE HISTORIC PA DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THAT BLOCK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, NO ONE'S PARKING FROM THE FRONT. SO I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE STAIRCASE. MM-HMM. , THIS IS A DUPLEX, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND IS THERE AN INTERNAL ACCESS FROM THE FRONT OFF OF YES. OKAY. UHHUH . SO IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT TO RETAIN THAT STAIRCASE FOR FIRE PURPOSES, FIRE EGRESS PURPOSES, OR IS IT ONLY A CONVENIENCE STAIR FOR THIS? WELL, THAT WAS AN, YEAH, IT'S A CONVENIENT, IT WAS AN ADD-ON EVEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. IF YOU COULD SEE IF YOU CAN GO TO THE OTHER PICTURE RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S AN A, THERE WAS AN ADD-ON AT SOME POINT, UM, PRIOR TO US PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY. SURE. UM, THAT WHOLE BACKSIDE, SO THEY ADDED ON THOSE STAIRS. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE PORTION THAT IS THE FOUNDATION IS FAILING. WELL, THAT'S THE PORTION THAT NEEDS, YEAH. AND, AND ON FOUNDATION WE'RE NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH THAT. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA FIX THE FOUNDATION, GOTTA GET THAT DONE. BUT JUST ONCE AGAIN, FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT MM-HMM. HAVING TWO MEANS OF EGRESS OUT OF AN UPSTAIRS SPACE IS A GOOD IDEA. SO UNLESS THAT STAIR IS DETERIORATED ITSELF, IT'S, OR GETTING IN THE WAY OF YOUR FOUNDATION REPAIRS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, I HAVE A HARD TIME SUPPORTING ITS REMOVAL. UNLESS THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE TESTIFYING THAT HEY, THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS WITH IT AND WE NEED TO GO. YEAH. IT'S GOT A LOT OF HOLES. RIGHT. WHEN YOU STEP OFF THE BACK, WELL, YOU MAY CONSIDER REPLACING IT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF YOUR BIGGER MASTER PLAN FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS THING. 'CAUSE IT IS NICE TO HAVE TWO WAYS OF GETTING OUT. MM-HMM. FOR SEVERAL REASONS. FIRE PEOPLE KICK IT IN YOUR FRONT DOOR, YOU HAVE A WAY TO GET OUT, YOU KNOW, SO JUST CONSIDER THAT. UM, BUT ANYWAYS, THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. OKAY, THANKS. AND THOSE WERE GONNA BE MY QUESTIONS AS WELL. IS, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TURNING IT INTO A SINGLE FAMILY. YES, SIR. YEAH. BASED ON YOUR PLAN. MM-HMM. . SO IF IT HAD REMAINED A DUPLEX, THEN IT PROBABLY REQUIRED THAT SECOND STAIR FOR LIFE SAFETY. UM, PLUS, UH, IN TERMS OF A DRIVEWAY, WHICH WOULD END UP BEING VERY CLOSE TO THE CORNER MM-HMM. BETWEEN [05:45:01] CLUB AND THAT LITTLE CUT THROUGH STREET THAT HAS NO NAME . UM, I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT THE, THE CITY TRAFFIC FOLKS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO PUT A CURB, CUT THAT CLOSE TO A CORNER. UM, OKAY. AND THEN IT, IT DISRUPTS THE, THE PARKING PATTERN. UM, MR. CHAIR TO MAKE A MOTION, SIR, IT'S NOT TOO SOON. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? MM-HMM. UH, WAIT, I THINK I, UM, YEAH, IT'S, THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. YES. SO FOR ITEM ONE, THE DRIVEWAY STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. RIGHT? EXACTLY. SO IT'S TWO AND THREE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE AGREEING WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION NOT TO APPROVE. YES. NUMBER ONE. OKAY. RIGHT. A CLEAN, WELL I UNDERSTAND A CLEANER WHITE WAY MIGHT BE DENIAL OF ONE AND THEN EQUIVALENT OF TWO AND THREE WAS TAX'S RECOMMENDATIONS. . OKAY. ALRIGHT. YOU CAN PUT IT THAT WAY. IT'S GETTING LATE. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? YES. , SABINA. AYE. QUEZ AYE. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. ANTES? YES. AND ZER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. ABSOLUTELY. UM, NUMBER 27 ON THE AGENDA IS H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 48. MIC ON. IS IT ? IS THE LIGHT ON WHEN YOU SPEAK IN IT? KEEP GOING. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OH, MUFF, MUFF. JUST, JUST, JUST MAKE, JUST SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN KEEP YOUR MASK ON IF YOU WISH. ITEM NUMBER 27 ON THE AGENDA IS H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 48 ADDRESS, 6 24 EAST MYRTLE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO NEW TWO CAR GARAGE WITHIN AN APARTMENT AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AT 6 24 EAST MYRTLE LOCATED WITHIN THE TOBIN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE EXISTING GARAGE WILL BE PARTIALLY DEMOLISHED TO MAKE WAY FOR A NEW ADDITION TO THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF THE EXISTING GARAGE. WILL BE, WILL REMAIN TO BE USED IN THE ADDITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT SIDING AND FRAMING MATERIALS BE SALVAGED FROM THE EXISTING REAR STRUCTURE AND BE INCORPORATED IN THE PROPOSED NEW CON CONSTRUCTION. TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE A GABLE ROOF FORM TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ROOF FORM ON THE SITE. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS E AND F, THIS MAY REQUIRE THE ELIMINATION OF THE ROOFTOP DECK AND TOWER ELEMENT NUMBER THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WINDOW PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE FOUND HIS HISTORICALLY ON THE PROPERTY HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THE PROPOSED CHICAGO STYLE WINDOWS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. AND FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED WOOD WINDOWS BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTIONS. THAT'S MESSY. THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO TAKE ACTION. SO HE HAS CONCURRED WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, PUT US OUT OUR MISERY. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION. I'LL SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. HOPEFULLY NO DISCUSSION. I HAVE A DISCUSSION. , I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE I DEFER TO YOU GUYS AS EXPERTISE. THAT'S RIGHT. DOES THE SECOND STORY TAKE AWAY OR DOMINATE THE PRIMARY BUILDING IN TERMS OF OVERALL HEIGHT? YES. AND, AND AND HOW DOES THAT GEL WITH, WITH THE APPROVAL? SO YEAH, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS NOT QUITE LIKE A TWO STORY PLUS ROOF DECK IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. THERE ARE TWO STORY ACCESSORIES AND SO WHAT DO YOU IT WOULD BASICALLY BE [05:50:02] WHAT, SORRY, I WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. FINE. RIGHT FROM HIS CAMERA. ROLAND, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR US, BUT IF YOU CAN GET BACK SO WE CAN CONTINUE, LET'S GIVE HIM A COUPLE MINUTES KITCHEN TO GIVE A SNACK. THANK YOU ROLAND. OKAY, SO SAS RECOMMENDATION IS FOR ELIMINATION OF THE ROOFTOP DECK IN ORDER TO HAVE JUST A NORMAL ROOF OVER THE TWO STORIES. SO IT WOULD BE A NORMAL KIND OF TWO STORY ACCESSORY HEIGHT WHICH WOULD NOT DOMINATE OR HAVE PRECEDENTS OVER OR, OR HAVE DOMINATE THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE. CORRECT. RELATIONSHIP AND HEIGHT. AND THIS IS ALSO CONCEPTUAL, RIGHT? IT IS CONCEPTUAL AND REALLY THE ISSUE IS, IS LESS ABOUT DOMINATING THE GRUDGE BUT LOOKING AT LIKE THE OVERALL IMPACT OF HEIGHTENED SCALE AS AN ACCESSORY. EXACTLY. SO THE OVERALL IMPACT THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE ACCESSORY OR THE SECONDARY BUILDING WILL BE HIGHER THAN THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. THAT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF NORMAL SOMETIMES I, I I UNDERSTAND LIKE THE THINKING AS ITS ACCESSORY SHOULD BE LESS, UM, IT SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE IN HEIGHT BUT DEPENDING ON THE CONTEXT AND KIND OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, SOMETIMES YOU SEE A TWO STORY ACCESSORY WITH A SINGLE STORY PRIMARY AND SOMETIMES TOPOGRAPHY OR IN THIS CASE WHERE THE, THE MAIN HOUSE IS IN FRONT OF THAT TWO STORY SECTION. AND SO THAT'S GONNA MASK IT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR GREATER CONCERNS. YEAH, I'M JUST, I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH ALL THIS STUFF. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. MASUKA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE ES? YES. AND ZER? YES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 28. ROLLING. SIT TIGHT. THIS IS OUR LAST ONE AND IT'S GONNA HAVE A SIMILAR OUTCOME. SHE'S WAITING . HMM. WHY DID THEY MENTION IT'S OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 28 H G C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 38 1 23 CEDAR STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH A NEW STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AND COPPER COLOR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR ROOF REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH A NEW STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE, SORRY, THESE ARE THE STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS. UM, THE APPLICANT IS NO LONGER ON THE LINE, UM, BUT HAS COMMUNICATED THAT I CAN, UM, PUSH FORWARD HIS, HIS REQUEST ON HIS BEHALF. DID HE CONCUR WITH STAFF'S STIPULATIONS? UM, THEY WOULD LIKE CONSIDERATION FOR THE COPPER COLOR ROOF, UM, BUT THEY DID EXPRESS THAT A WHITE OR A GAL LOOM FINISH, UM, WOULD BE CONSIDERED IF IT WERE DENIED. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD ASK A QUESTION. SO THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THE, THE, THE ROOF WASN'T, UH, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT, BUT WITH THE STRIATION, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED? THE ONLY UM, DIFFERENCE HERE REALLY IS THE CHANGE IN COLOR. SO CONAL TO COPPER COLOR, THE GAL. BUT, BUT THE, BUT THE, SO THE STRIATION IS NOT A HOW COME? THE STRIATION DID NOT, UH, HE, HE'S AGREED TO THAT STIPULATION. SO THE ONLY THING HE HASN'T AGREED TO IS THE COLOR, BUT HE'S WILLING TO DO A WHITE OR GALONE SHOULD THE COPPER REPELLER NOT BE APPROVED TODAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO BASICALLY HE WANTS US TO ACT ON HIS APPLICATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO UM, APPROVE WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT THE ROOF, HAVE A GAL BLOOM. FINISH. I'LL SECOND WITHOUT STRAY. I'LL SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. AND MY APOLOGIES, THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL, BUT THIS IS AN OPPOSITION. OH, I'M SORRY. OH, DO WE NEED TO PLAY IT? YES, PLEASE. SO I SEE THAT THERE'S A LETTER. HANNAH, ARE YOU POSITIVE? THERE'S A, MY APOLOGIES. YES. I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY A LETTER, SO IT SHOULD BE IN THE FILE. YEP. [05:55:01] OKAY. SO Y'ALL CAN VOTE . SORRY. I, OKAY. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. MAZUA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. ANTE? YES. AND ZER? YES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.